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Title: Empire 8
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on March 12, 2005, 12:24:53 am
bailed out Rochester?..... Showed again they are the team to beat in the area? That's alot of Talk for a team that didn't play Fisher this year, you have no idea how you would have faired against them.  They had an off night and they payed for it.  Please don't be a jerk and ruin it for me, you are making it really hard for me to cheer for you guys...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Not In The Bulb on March 12, 2005, 12:38:39 am
RespectHartwick, if for no other reason I must  commend you on the sheer size of the onions you must have to come on here and talk junk about a team that went 28-1 and 14-0 in their conference. Let me remind you, in case you did forget, your team went 2-24 and 0-14 in the conference. That's right, you were only trailing the conference champ by a mere 14 games at season's end. Nothing to be ashamed of at all.

You STILL have not provided ANY names of this vaunted incoming class. Unless your school is somehow luring Greg Oden out of high school early, you guys have ZERO chance of making the conference tournament next year. I have these questions about your projected rankings for next year.

1)How in God's name will 'Wick finish in front of Alfred? Alfred returns Quentin Bryant(1st Team E-8) and Dillon Stein(2nd Team E-8) and loses exactly ZERO players from their team. Keep in mind they whooped your ass handily twice this year. I can't see this team falling from 5th to 6th next year with their ENTIRE TEAM RETURNING. That's reason #1 you are a douchebag.

2)You're going to edge out Ithaca. Once again, a team that took you to the woodshed on two occasions. The only player of note this team loses is Jesse Roth. A solid core returns, including Jimmy Bellis(2nd Team E-8 this year) and Brian Andruskiewicz(Honorable Mention this year). Add to that role players like Whetstone, Clemente and Brian Joe, still a much a better squad than Hartwick's.

3)Naz is going to come in 7th?!? Really? A team that, again, beat you twice this year and has their ENTIRE team returning is somehow going to lose out to Hartwick. I could throw Joe Canori on the floor with four girls from Naz's women's team and they'd beat the Hawks by 10. If anyone is going to sneak into the E8 Tourney that finished way out of the race this year, it's going to be Naz.

4)You're a moron. Tell me how much we're betting on this Hartwick thing. You need to help put me through grad school. Come on, you're a confident guy, you're on the inside, how much are we betting. Put your money where your mouth is, tough guy.

P.S. Still waiting for the names of this recruiting class.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fishercards on March 12, 2005, 12:46:14 am
Also, RIT beat U of R without a problem..... We beat RIT ummmmmmm 4 times, not mocking RIT they are a great team, just wanted to make a point. Honestly, I would have loved if Fisher went all the way and won the championship but give credit where its due, Potsdam is a great team they outplayed fisher in every aspect of the game but Fisher has nothing to be ashamed about they did get national coverage in USA today, what coverage has U of R had? Nothin...... dont talk about bringing honor...... I dont hear anyone mocking Illinois for there lost and if they get knocked out of the NCAA tourney should the be ashamed and be told they are over-rated? I think not.. get over it.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on March 12, 2005, 02:32:01 am
My intramural team has 2 open weekends next winter if Hartwick wants to get some games in?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on March 12, 2005, 03:23:41 am
Oh, and one more thing...


Final Empire8 Standings

Fisher (Filet Mignon)
RIT  (Prime Rib)
Utica (London Broil)
Ithaca (Rib Eye)
Reggie Shore (for President)
Alfred (Rib Eye,  a bit fatty)
Naz (Veal? these kids got some time to grow, and can be good)
Elmira (side dish)
Hartwick (Tator Tots)
col (tip your servers)
RespectHartwick (would get served by ChefCol on the court)

Seacrest, out!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Bigdaddy on March 12, 2005, 01:00:58 pm
Congrats fisher on a great season. Even I didnt call for that kind of game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: not josh reed on March 12, 2005, 02:00:15 pm
Congrats to Potsdam on your impressive victory.  Last night you were the better team that wanted the victory worse than the cardinals.  

Wow, what a season Fisher had. Congratulations on such a fine run.  What a memory you all should carry forward in to your future.  Any truth in the rumour that Zahn will begin 4 fresh years of eligibility as a Tight End with Cardinal Football?  
Thanks for the great run!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: empire8fan on March 12, 2005, 05:06:31 pm
not josh reed, Zahn cant.  If he's a senior on the basketball team that probably means he's completed at least 8 semesters.  With D3's 10 semester rule he can only play 2 seasons if plays this fall then sits out spring semester and then returns for the fall.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: not josh reed on March 12, 2005, 06:34:14 pm
Empire8fan, Isn't the elgibility at d3 schools seperate for each sport? I would pay to see Zahn play football, but I was only kidding. Hey Respect Hartwick, you should change your name to Rodney Dangerfield for the amount of respect you and Hartwick will get on here. Better yet if you want respect, change schools, transfer to Fisher
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: not josh reed on March 12, 2005, 10:26:52 pm
A couple more observations on the game last night.  Thought Fisher was going to make a run when Waterloo's homeboy Dan Mueller drained a three, but never shot again.  Another bad omen was Perry's Pete Gillett contributed a beautiful three from behind the halfcourt line only to have it waived off as after the first half buzzer.  Oh well
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: mceod on March 12, 2005, 11:25:12 pm
Takeaway from this weekend.  WHAT WAS THE NCAA THINKING.  Amherst gym not any bigger or not as big as UR's, Potsdam and not much bigger than Fishers (not that it was needed the first game was not a sellout).  Not only did teams travel 5 hours to get to Amherst.  Once at Amherst they where staying 20 minutes from the school (Potsdam and Fisher).  Like playing at the UR and staying in Brockport.  As previously mentioned, no concessions, parking or side walks.  Fisher gets the number one seed then New York teams get the number one shaft.  Headlines, Two New York teams in the finals With the UR going to the final four.

Someone explain to me how the NCAA can make Fisher a number one seed then turn around and say one of the big factors for Amherst hosting is their strength of schedule.

Lets really put this site to good use.  Who do I write in order to express my disappointment.  We all should express our opinon.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on March 12, 2005, 11:29:12 pm
The NCAA doesn't release seedings. D3hoops.com "seeded" the teams based on the criteria.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Bigdaddy on March 14, 2005, 03:27:03 pm
Not only was Amherst not a good facility...but they had a hockey game while we were there on saturday...which further congested already poor conditions.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: oldasdirt on March 14, 2005, 06:04:51 pm
Bulb & Col - great posts.  I'll take Col's intramural team against Respect Hartwicks Hawks-what's the line?  How many points do you have to give Col?  Hate to say this but all year I said that I thought that u of r would do some damage in the tournament.  Congrats to Fisher on a great season!! I think the standings will be quite a bit different next year but Hartwick won't be the team on the rise like Alfred and Nazareth.  RIT loses four contributing seniors and Utica loses some key players like Troy.  I truly believe we will see more parity and a real dog-fight for playoff spots but until I see some concrete evidence I don't think Hartwick will be participating in said fight.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on March 15, 2005, 09:05:31 am
As for the line...   We're still working out contract details for bringing Coach Olin aboard and, obviously, with that kind of talent we're going to be pushing the salary cap.  I'll reserve comment until after I see if we can sign him.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on March 15, 2005, 10:41:36 am
Good thing we don't have to pay Sidney and Bennett lucrative contracts anymore...woulda been hard to keep O'Brien with the cap situation :-)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on March 15, 2005, 10:43:22 am
Don't forget we get Raymie Auman back too (at least to my knowledge). He only played 3 games this year before breaking his wrist, averaged like 18 a game. I believe they redshirted him and he still has a year of eligibility even though he's a senior. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: jashoopsfan on March 15, 2005, 10:57:00 am
Rumor has it that Auman may not play next year if he can't get financial aid for school.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Bigdaddy on March 15, 2005, 06:12:12 pm
So Bulb....as to the E8 vs. SUNYAC discussion...you said previously that the big Potsdam/Fisher match up would give answers to the questions and that you didnt think the ecacs were a good indicator....what are your thoughts now?

SUNYAC takes ECAC and plays an interesting game in the Sweet 16 against Fisher....thoughts?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Superman on March 15, 2005, 08:33:53 pm
I admit that SUNYAC had teh better post season but lets remember Fisher had probably their worse game of the year when your missing open shots than you know it's bad, but nothing aginst Potsdam they did win the game
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: RespectHartwick on March 16, 2005, 08:25:05 am
Folks,

One Team- One Dream Season- One Game

DASHED after 40 minutes of half ass play!  

It must suck walking around Fisher and Rochester knowing you could have won against Potsdam. If only you could have focused harder, played harder, and fought harder. The personnel talent and coaching wasn't the problem, the problem was player cockiness and horrible team attitude when adversity hits. Honestly, Fisher collasped Hartwick style! Sometimes it happens to the best of teams!

Well the season is finished, the records have been set! However, what is missing is the National Championship that got AWAY! Records are nice but they  can be broken. However, tangible NCAA trophies do not go away.  

But luck next year against more improved conference teams
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: The Bear on March 16, 2005, 09:13:15 am
Fisher had a great run, I fear they would not have been competitive at Salem because of their inside players.  

Rochester has three quality big men, Fisher does not.  You will always face two good big guys at the Final Four level.  

You also can't have any weak links as man-to-man defenders, or they will be exposed quickly.

Besides you were facing the D-III version of the '73 Dolphins jinx, Potsdam will do anything it can to protect the streak and the '86 unbeaten record.

Great season for Fisher and their classy coach.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on March 16, 2005, 12:43:30 pm
All-Region teams announced on the front page, E8 nicely represented by O'Brien and Sidney on the first team and Troy/Murphy/Bryant on the second team.

I wonder who the "last one out" for the second team was that got bumped in the voting by Adam Turner of Bard. Not to come off as too dismissive of the effort and commitment it takes to devote one's self to Division III basketball yadayadayada...but a Bard player? Really? Seriously? How good could he have been when his team barely won any games against the worst possible competition?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2005, 02:28:59 pm
There was a tie for the last spot. Nobody got bumped -- in fact, an extra person got in. :-)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 16, 2005, 03:12:52 pm
It's not exactly the "D3 version of the '73 Dolphins jinx," Bear. Wisconsin-Platteville has logged two undefeated seasons since Potsdam State did it ('95 and '98, to be specific).
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Mike Dougherty aka Knightstalker on March 16, 2005, 03:14:31 pm
Besides the 73 Dolphins went 12-2 on the regular season and 15-2 overall.  It was the 72 Dolphins that were undefeated.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 16, 2005, 03:16:53 pm
The Bear is a Bills fan, Mike. Like me, he's allergic to Dolphins lore. :-)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Mike Dougherty aka Knightstalker on March 16, 2005, 03:20:54 pm
And here I am a Dolphins fan, stuck in Jets country.  At least I can enjoy watching the Giants.  Another case of hives for The Bear.  :-)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Superman on March 16, 2005, 04:48:36 pm
hey hartwick how does it feel to walk around campus knowing that you won exatcly 0 league games, if you only played harder you might have won one.  We have no worries on fisher we did better and went further than what anyone thought
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: not josh reed on March 16, 2005, 06:58:39 pm
Hey Hartwick you remind me of those pesky little dogs that just yelp and jump all over people.  How can you continue to spew this nonsense about Hartwick. Show some respect for your masters or we will send you to obedience school.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: The Bear on March 16, 2005, 07:15:10 pm
I have been speaking of the New York version on undefeated season.  Fully aware of Bo Ryan's accomplishments at Platteville.

Alas I am an original, since age 12 irrevocable Bills fan.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Mike Dougherty aka Knightstalker on March 16, 2005, 07:29:19 pm
Bear, I am an original Dolphins fan, I have liked them since I was about five or six.  I saw them on tv in the pre Shula days when George Wilson was the coach, they were playing the Jets in Miami and they had flipper in a pool in the end zone.  Flipper made me a Dolphin fan, they had a player you mentioned a few years ago back then, Cookie Gilchrist was on the team.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: The Bear on March 16, 2005, 07:35:27 pm
I'm sure Cookie was an interesting character in 1960's miami.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 17, 2005, 12:24:06 am
I've never heard of anyone who thought of Cookie Gilchrist as anything but a Buffalo Bill ... unless they were a Toronto Argonauts fan.

To call Cookie "colorful" would be an understatement of vast proportions, as his ... er ... interesting personal website illustrates.

Here's a somewhat saner take on the turbulent career of one Chester Canton Gilchrist.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Gordon "Marco Scutaro" Mann on March 17, 2005, 02:00:39 am
Holy moly.  

There's some nuts in that cookie.  

Rimshot!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Bigdaddy on March 25, 2005, 08:15:18 pm
So...hartwick has a lot to say for his teams record....and I am still waiting to hear from Bulb on my last post.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on August 16, 2005, 03:15:27 pm
Checking this new board-
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: skifour3 on October 27, 2005, 07:00:01 pm
St. John Fisher is ranked 5th in the D 3 News poll and Sean O'brien is Pre-season all-American. I'm guessing that is a pretty good honor but what is d3 news????
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on October 28, 2005, 09:38:34 am
Folks, I would like to apologize for my overly aggressive, zealous, and sometimes antagonistic posts on this board. I have finally come to my senses that Hartwick Basketball isn't as good as I portray them to be. Hartwick Basketball has been hit hard by graduation and attrition. Hartwick Basketball will compete this season without two key veterans who have let the program and two key recruits who have left Hartwick (Due to homesickness). It is going to be a long year for Hartwick Basketball fans!

Please Accept My Apology, particulary those of you in Rochester (ie Fisher, Naz, Rit)!

 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on November 01, 2005, 03:54:41 pm
Getting things started on the new E8 board. Here are my predictions for how the standings will play out. Obviously, this is subject to change:

8)Elmira-Lost their best player and were already one of the worst squads in the conference. Guys like Micah Owens are going to have to step it up if this team is going to do anything. Will probably beat one of the top four once at some point, but other than that this team will have trouble competing night in and night out.

7)Hartwick-Showed some very small signs of progress at the end of last year. Played Fisher close for a little while in their home gym. Greg Betancourt is a star in the making. Should have enough to overtake Elmira and get out of the E8 basement.

6)Utica-Justin Cichon returns for what seems like his 10th season with the Pioneers. If it weren't for Sean O'Brien, Cichon would likely be the pre-season POY. The loss of Tim Troy, the best rebounder in the conference and certainly the most orotund as well, will hurt the Pioneers. Teams will now be able to focus more attention on Cichon. Utica excelled in 2nd chance points with Troy down low, now that he is gone they have to find scoring in other places. Point guard Brian Collier looks to make the next step and become one of the best in the conference.

5)RIT- A team that loses four starters, including two of the best in the E8 in Kyle Goff and Sean Murphy. Jesse Foote is gone, as well, but expect Tim Bacon, who has seen significant playing time in the past, to fill that void well. The question here centers around who will pick up the scoring load, now that 40 points/game has moved on. Will Fran Snyder shake the injuries that hampered him last season? Who will play point guard now that Reggie Shore has moved on? A lot of questions on this team but McVean is a good coach and will tailor his style around the talent he has. Drew Martin is a top defender and, if Brian Hill can continue to improve, this team could sneak into the E8 tournament.

4)Nazareth-The biggest leap from last season. Joe Canori will assert himself as one of the top guards--and players--in the E8. Ryan McAdam will continue to improve, as will fellow sophomores Brian Ameneiros, Kyle Nelson and Tyler Smith who stepped up towards the end of the season. Nick Bozzelli should see some time in the frontcourt and will be one of the top freshmen in the league. Caswell Smith and Matt Groot provide dependable role players for the Golden Flyers. This team is probably a year away from challenging Fisher, but should come along nicely this year and make the E8 tournament.

3)Ithaca- A solid core returns for the Bombers. Jimmy Bellis is one of the best and most athletic players in the conference and will be the defensive focus for Ithaca opponents. Brian Andruskiewicz is one of the best low-post players in the league and should be primed for a big season; his numbers have improved in each of his first three seasons. Jon Whetstone has full reins on the point guard duties now that Nate Thomas has graduated. Sean Stahn has showed intriguing glimpses of potential and will step into a starting role at power forward in 2005.  Brad Clemente will have to fill the shoes, defensively, of departed Jesse Roth. Sophomore Brian Joe supplies a reliable long-distance threat off the bench. The Bombers hope one or two of their underclassmen will fill out their rotation and provide the team with adequate depth.

2)Alfred- This team returns every player from last year's team. Forward Dillon Stein and senior guard Quentin Bryant anchor the Saxons, offensively. Role players abound in Ryan Clemenson, Chris LeMasters and Ryan Hallett. Quality depth is present, as well, making this Saxons team a shoe-in for the E8 tournament. Alfred will test themselves early, traveling to Rochester for their first game to take on UR in the Yellow Jackets own tournament. Alfred will test themselves against SUNYAC opponents Geneseo, Cortland and defending champ Potsdam before getting into conference play.

1)Fisher-The Cards once again reload and should be the class of the league again, despite the departures of 2004-05 E8 Player of the Year Jeff Sidney and all-everything forward Nick Bennett. Sean O'Brien returns for #5 St.John Fisher, and should be pre-season POY. Raymie Auman returns after missing the majority of last season with an injury. Auman, a senior, was a starter before his injury, which paved the way for Jeff Sidney's huge senior campaign. Sharpshooter Mike McGee returns to provide the Cardinals with an outside threat, along with junior Dan Mueller. Justin Beigel leads a talented crop of sophomores and freshmen for the conference favorites. Junior Dan McSweeney returns to defend the lane. Expect the Cards to win the conference rather easily but another undefeated conference season may be out of the realm of possibility considering who they've lost and the gains made by other conference opponents. Rochesterians wish Fisher would take on Brockport this year, but Fisher has another soft pre-conference schedule, the lone exception being when the Cardinals travel to Virginia for the Randolph Macon tournament.

_______________________________________ _________________

Others, feel free to chime in. This is just one person's opinion of how the season will shake out.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: GPT on November 02, 2005, 11:05:24 am
Just for the record Bennet is coming back this year.He had one more year of eligibilty
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on November 02, 2005, 11:11:45 am
Bennett from what I'm told did graduate but he's got eligibity left so he's taking graduate courses. Almost a Matt Leinhart-type scenario where you're taking one or two classes and getting to spend most of your time on athletics.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on November 02, 2005, 03:39:30 pm
Are you sure about Bennett? He's not on the 2005-06 roster, unless they're going to pull a Willis Reed and run onto the court during warm-ups of their first game. Plus, they did all the Senior Night festivities last year and he was a part of that.

I thought he was leaving school a year early so he could start working and making money.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: GPT on November 03, 2005, 09:01:20 am
Positive he is coming back in the second semester
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on November 09, 2005, 03:50:59 pm
Interesting...makes Fisher even more of a strong favorite to win the conference. Not sure if they'll be undefeated again in the conference, but should be real close.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: sjfcpk18 on November 09, 2005, 08:34:47 pm
Fisher's Bball team will provide a lot of excitement for Rochestarians this year.  I can't wait to hear the first "I Believe" chant of the year, and watch Coach K lead his team to another Empire 8 crown.  Teams will continue to have match-up problems throughout the year, think how far they may go if everyone stays healty.  Good Luck boys. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on November 12, 2005, 02:40:04 am
Gobombers, Bennett's on the roster now....not sure when you looked at it last. Fisher just updated their athletics website either yesterday or today...it looks great!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on November 13, 2005, 09:06:31 am
Here's the E8 Coaches Poll..... http://empire8.com/111105-1.html ..... a little different than GoBombers predictions....
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on November 14, 2005, 04:30:41 pm
Here's the E8 Coaches Poll..... http://empire8.com/111105-1.html ..... a little different than GoBombers predictions....

The only prominent difference is they have Utica finishing second whereas I have them sixth(even so, I figured they'd pretty much be the same as RIT so the 5-6 slot was interchangable). The coaches apparently see something in Utica that I didn't. I was of the thinking that when a team loses its best inside player and one of the best in the conference, that makes a team worse. The coaches disagree. We will find out when the season rolls around.

Jukebox, I looked at it early last week sometime. The school probably updated it for the winter sports late last week. No worries. I sure hope JoshReed returns this year and it wouldn't be bad if another school gets some fans in here; usually, it's just Ithaca/Fish/RIT fans in here.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on November 17, 2005, 11:12:26 am
Alfred may have to do some catching up in the second half of the season if they want to finish second in the conference. Quintin Bryant isn't going to suit up until January because he only has one semester of eligibility left. And, according to the U of R notes for the Resler Tournament this weekend at the Palestra, Dillion Stein will be out for the first few games as well with an injury.

All those things considered, the Saxons will have to hang tough through the first couple months of the season then really turn it up in January against the conference.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on November 18, 2005, 04:51:42 pm
John, I was unaware of that about Bryant and Stein. However, that doesn't affect my prognostications too much. Alfred's second semester begins January 15th; only two of Alfred's conference games are played before that date(@Utica, @Hartwick). Stein should be back before those games and I think he, alone, is good enough to get at least a split out of those games. Going 1-1 with a loss at Utica(a game they may lose with all their players) wouldn't be the end of their season. Alfred will be ok.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on November 19, 2005, 05:46:26 pm
Fisher's already 0-1.....so much for another undefeated season and that #7 ranking.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on November 21, 2005, 12:49:21 am
GB15, what's with the hateration on Coach Theus? This aggression will not stand, man.

Soooo....Alfred lost by 37 to UR and 20 to Tufts.  After getting rolled by Plattsburgh, Hartwick actually won (!!), beating last year's CUNYAC co-regular season champs Lehman by 2.  Naz beat Pitt-Bradford by 20 and lost to Buff State by 10.

Fisher rebounded from the loss to B-W to whip Del Val by 25 (too bad for the league that DVC is as bad in hoops as they are good in football.)

Utica beat a non-D3 St. Josephs' Vermont by 26, then beat cross-town rival SUNYIT by 13.

Oh, yeah, IC lost by 23 to Hampden-Sydney and by 4 to Roanoke.  At least those aren't regional games.

Games to keep an eye out for this week: Utica at Oneonta tomorrow, Hobart at Fisher on Tuesday.  Naz gets a home game that night against the UR machine, just keep it within 20, fellas.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on November 22, 2005, 12:37:38 pm
How about the Utica men's basketball team at 3-0 after a win over SUNY Oneonta?

Having a good season this year so far despite the loss of Tim Troy.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on November 22, 2005, 04:18:41 pm
I think Utica will suprise people...Cichon didn't play in the win over Oneonta either!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on November 22, 2005, 08:36:06 pm
I may be wrong about Utica, after all. However, we all know that except for Fisher, every E8 team's season comes down to the E8 tourney. Gotta get there then hope to upset Fisher(which Ithaca almost pulled off last year). It's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on November 23, 2005, 02:09:24 pm
I think Utica will suprise people...Cichon didn't play in the win over Oneonta either!

Why didn't Justin play against Oneonta? Injured? Something worse? :o
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on November 23, 2005, 02:09:56 pm
Well, Fisher beat Hobart by 25, which to me says  more about the Pumpkinheads (for basketball would that make them Pumpkinshirts?) than it does about the Cards.  Hobart also lost by double-digits to Keuka and needed overtime to subdue mighty Hilbert.

Congrats to Utica's Justin Cichon for being named to the d3hoops.com Team of the Week.  39 points against SUNYIT, maybe building towards a E8 Player of the Year candidacy.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on November 23, 2005, 05:23:15 pm
Justin's not hurt, it should only be a one game thing....I heard he got real sick and couldnt make it because of it.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on November 23, 2005, 10:15:25 pm
Cichon's good but something crazy is going to have to happen for O'Brien or Nick Bennett not to win it. And this is an Ithaca guy saying this.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on November 23, 2005, 10:16:59 pm
Who is uglier, Adam Morrison of Gonzaga or Josh Boone of UConn?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on November 23, 2005, 10:35:59 pm
Sheldon Williams of Duke!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on November 24, 2005, 12:11:13 pm
My bad, he would be a finalist as well.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on November 25, 2005, 02:46:04 pm
As lame as this sounds, I miss Ivan Drago err....Craig Forth from Syracuse already.


To paraphrase......If they lose, they lose.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on November 26, 2005, 01:13:47 pm
Anyone have predictions for the Empire 8 rankings.
Here is mine:

1)Fisher
2)Utica
3)RIT
4)Naz
5)Ithaca
6)Alfred
7)Hartwick
8)Elmira

So far I have only seen Fisher and Elmira play...could be a long season for Elmira.

POY: Sean O'brien
COY: Kornaker because I think he will win the league goin away...

any thoughts
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on November 26, 2005, 07:23:14 pm
Anyone have predictions for the Empire 8 rankings.
Here is mine:

1)Fisher
2)Utica
3)RIT
4)Naz
5)Ithaca
6)Alfred
7)Hartwick
8)Elmira

So far I have only seen Fisher and Elmira play...could be a long season for Elmira.

POY: Sean O'brien
COY: Kornaker because I think he will win the league goin away...

any thoughts


Most of that looks pretty correct, though I think you may be underrating Ithaca a little. Don't get me wrong, Ithaca is by no means a "great" team. In fact, I don't think they'll be much more than 8-6 or 9-5 in the league. I think that will be good enough for 3rd or 4th place in the league. I know Ithaca is 0-2 but they always play tough competition early on in order to prepare for the conference season and, more specifically, the conference tourney where they will inevitably have to knock off Fisher if they want to make the tourney. I can deal with losses to H-Syd and Roanoke down in Virginia. In the end, they'll be better for playing those types of teams.

I also think you're overrating RIT a bit. That's a team that lost four starters, including two of the best players in the conference in Goff and Murphy. Add to that the fact Fran Snyder is basically playing on 1/2 of a leg, I think this team could be in for a long year. They won't be as bad as they should be because McVean's coaching is worth one or two wins in games they otherwise should/would lose.

Should be a fun year in the E8.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on November 30, 2005, 11:50:27 am
Utica plays against Union tonight.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 01, 2005, 12:06:54 am
The LL dominance apparently carries over to basketball as Union knocks off previously undefeated Utica, 82-71. Justin Cichon scores 13 points for the Pioneers. Willie Lucas also played well coming off the bench.

Budcrew, what happened with Lucas last season. In 03-04 he was one of the better players in the conference and get off to a good start last year but then was gone, all of a sudden. If I had known he'd be back this year, I certainly would have ranked the Pioneers higher. I'll say they will come in 4th this year instead of 5th.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: radiomike on December 01, 2005, 10:27:10 am
There will be a LL-E8 matchups with Hobart and WS vs Ithaca this weekend in Geneva. WEOS will broadcast the Women's Game game beginning at 2PM Saturday December 3, and will have updates and in game PBP of  Hobart-Ithaca during Hobart Hockey beginning at 4PM. www.weos.org on the web or 89.7 FM in the Finger Lakes or 88.1 FM in Ithaca
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on December 01, 2005, 11:17:54 am
Not sure how much dominance that really is as RIT beat Hobart 64-44 @ Hobart Tuesday Night.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on December 01, 2005, 02:18:26 pm
Speaking of LL dominance, I could have sworn that Hobart lost to Fisher a week ago by a mere 25 points...hmmm
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 01, 2005, 05:30:48 pm
Fellas, I'm an E8 guy. I mean, look at my name. Come on Bump, you're better than that. But are we counting victories over Hobart(aka pumpkinshirts)? Let's only talk junk about the prominent teams in the LL that we beat. Hobart is very down this year. They got blown out by RIT at home. They lost to Keuka, for god sakes. The best evidence of how bad they suck may have come in their only win when they had to go to OT to beat Hilbert. Does anyone even know what state Hilbert is in?? In their three losses they've lost by 15, 25 and 20. All I'm saying is beating Hobart does not imply E8 dominance. However, when a top LL team beats a top E8 team, as was the case last night when Union beat Utica, that's a little bit more significant('Wick beating Skidmore doesn't mean anything).

More or less, I was referring to what happened at the end of the football season as there are many football posters on this board, as well. Everyone, relax. It's a long season. And can we not get into the SUNYAC vs E8 argument this year. I don't think we have the right to say anything after the E8 champ(who was undefeated) got rolled up on by a SUNYAC team.

I say all this and now Ithaca will probably lose to Hobart this weekend...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on December 02, 2005, 12:39:24 pm
I really don't know much about the LL, nor do I care. There aren't many games between the two leagues during the regular season, most matchup's come in the ECAC's or NCAA. At this point of the season, who knows who will be good anyway, Utica could go in the tank and end up at the bottom of the E8. I'm not saying that will happen, but if it did, what did the game early in the season prove?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 02, 2005, 12:48:27 pm
Not saying it proved much at all. However, it does prove more than Fisher and RIT whipping up on Hobart--a team that is in a rebuilding year. Union is the consensus 2nd best team in the LL(maybe the best) and Utica seems to be what everyone(besides me, seemingly) predicts to be the 2nd best E8 team. We won't know much about the two leagues until Hamilton and Fisher play in the NCAA's, which is destined to happen.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 02, 2005, 01:15:18 pm
In other news, Ithaca gets ripped by Mansfield(D2) last night, 92-62. Jimmy Bellis scored a career-high 25 points. Sophomore transfer Dominic Scanlon was the only other Bomber in double-figures with 10 points. Mansfield went on a 20-4 run in the first half and took a 13-point lead into the locker room. Ithaca used a 9-0 run in the 2nd half to pull within six but it wasn't close to enough. The Bombers played without starting PG Jon Whetstone which surely contributed to the margin of defeat but likely wasn't the sole cause. With the graduation of Nate Thomas last May, the Bombers need Whetstone in there because they don't have many experienced ball-handlers.

Looking ahead to the weekend:

RIT will play in the Williams tournament. Should be a tough test for the Tigers but we should know more about RIT after this weekend. That isn't saying much because I don't think anyone really knows what to expect from this team.

Ithaca visits Hobart this weekend. Ithaca should win this IF Whetstone plays. If not, all bets are off. I'm not sure if Mullins cares much about this game, knowing his only chances for the NCAA's rest on making and then winning the E8 tournament.

Elmira hosts Clarkson in an E8/LL matchup that surely nobody will care about.

Alfred plays host to Cortland(sucks) on Saturday. This would be a great game if Alfred had Quentin Bryant back, but they don't so it won't. Cortland is 3-1 and is coming off a big win at Brockport, 73-72. Dillon Stein returns to the starting lineup for the Saxons but I think Cortland pulls away in the end and wins by 8-12 points.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on December 02, 2005, 01:38:55 pm
The Empire 8 community has two choices this season when it comes to Hartwick: 1) Respect Hartwick or 2)Get beat. Getting beat might happen anyway, but time will tell. Hartwick, as promised, will be significantly better than the previous two seasons. Having a 3-1 record is huge boost for a young program. Yes, it is very early in the season. However, the team, coaches, administration, students, and alumni are very hopefull for a breakout season. Winning the Empire 8 is probably an unrealisitc task this season, however post season action is an increasing possibility this season. Although Hartwick will probably drop some games this season, they will win games. There is no reason why Hartwick men's basketball  can't be 500 or better this season.

Other Empire 8 teams will have to quickly get used to playing a more athletic and deep squad. Not to mention enduring the newly revamped and growing student section (Fisher had a taste last year).  Most Empire 8 men's baskeball players haven't ever lost to Hartwick (except for some Ithaca players).

Paul Culpo, maybe soon to be Coach of the Year, has been busy recruiting this past off season. Hartwick has welcomed the following new players to "the NEST":

AJ  BEAULIEU         (6-0; Chicopee,Mass)
Mike Tracy              (5-8; Morris, NY)
Kevin Ryan             (5-11;Scotch Plains, NJ)
Alex Lanfear           (6-3; Lake George,NY)
Jan COCOZZIELLO (6-1; Allendale,NJ)
Jeff Dills                 (6-3; Milwaukee, Wis)
Albe Hulick             (6-4; Greenville, NY)
Pat Dunnigan        (6-4; Sussex, N.J.)
Adam Pelzek         (6-4; East Longmeadow, Mass)
Greg  BANKOWSKI (6-5; Schenectady, N.Y.)
Ramond Doyley     (6-5; Yonkers, NY)
Anthony Brown     (6-6;Milwaukee, Wis)
Jay Hori                 (5-10, Tajimi, Japan)

Hartwick will be returing the following players:

Matt SIMONESCHI   (5-8, Garden City, N.Y.)
John Montana         (6-1, Alfred, N.Y.)
Tim Kindlon             (6-1, Delmar, NY)
Josh MacKenzie      (6-4, Rutland,NY)


Hartwick Baskeball has also brought in a Director of Basketball Operations. This is a rarity in DIII athletics. Hartwick must be on the war path to win.

It is a privelege to play Hartwick!

Ciao for now
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 02, 2005, 05:43:56 pm
Everyone, read that last post from "Respect the Hawks."

Now go back to page 3 on this board and read an apology from "Respect the Hawks" about his overzealous and antagonistic posts last year. RTH, are you schizophrenic?! You all but conceded that Hartwick wasn't going to be any better this year in your post a few weeks ago and, now, you're saying they're not only going to be respectable, but competitive.

Forgive me for being a bit skeptical. I think your school has won, what, one conference game in the last two years? Nowhere in your roster of Hartwick players do I see your one competent player from last year(Bettancourt). Is it possible to have negative numbers in the win column?

As far as the recruits/newcomers you have provided, I'm not sure they'll help much. I have a friend in the capital district(where three of those players are from) and he hadn't heard of a single one of them. How are they going to hang with teams like Fisher who get great recruits from all over the place or even Naz who seem to keep plucking All-Greater Rochester players?

Until Hartwick wins two conference games I think you should relax a little bit with your posts warning of future Hartwick greatness.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on December 03, 2005, 02:06:01 pm
I remember this nutjob from the end of last year......

The Empire 8 community has two choices this season when it comes to Hartwick: 1) Respect Hartwick or 2)Get beat.

Ok, Fisher will be more than happy to respect and not overlook you. Because they'll be bringing their A game, then they'll beat you by 30. (Hell, Alfred and Ithaca might too)


Winning the Empire 8 is probably an unrealisitc task this season, however post season action is an increasing possibility this season.

Keyword possibility. I love how you command respect and then say your team probably won't even hit .500 and the team will be a success if it does.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 03, 2005, 05:14:24 pm
RIT splits their games this weekend in the Williams tournament. On Friday night, the Tigers fell to WPI, 61-56. Fran Snyder led RIT with 19 points while Barrett Zeinfeld added 14. Snyder's 3-pointer with :56 seconds left cut the lead to two points but WPI made a hoop and then some foul shots for the victory.

On Saturday, RIT killed Mass. College of Liberal Arts, 81-52. Zeinfeld scored 16 points and Snyder threw in nine.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 03, 2005, 05:58:20 pm
The first game the Tigers lost was to WPI, ranked 10th in the d3 hoops poll currently.  They trailed by 2 with under a minute left but couldn't pull it out.  It's good to see they are playing decent ball far from home. 

I laugh any time I see predictions that the Tigers will finish at the bottom of the conference.  With the problems that teams like Alfred and Utica experience from year to year, I don't think you can count on them both to be playing well all year.  Expect to see the Tigers in the E8 tourney.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 03, 2005, 06:27:48 pm
It's official. The Bombers are awful. Ithaca loses today at Hobart, 73-67. Jimmy Bellis leads the Bombers with 17 points(but 6-19 FG's) while Brian Joe and Sean Stahn both chip in 14 apiece.

Not sure why Ithaca is so awful. I mean, the coach is terrible but we all knew that going into this season. They gotta get things straightend out in a hurry or it's gonna be a real long season.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: thebear on December 03, 2005, 10:02:43 pm
IC's schedule this week isn't helpful to the cause.

Cortland (6-2) on Tuesday
St. Lawrence (1-4) on Friday (two losses are close to B'port & Roch)
Potsdam (5-0) on Saturday

While all three are in the bulb, Not exactly a diet to improve one's record.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: jdex on December 03, 2005, 10:27:43 pm
Think theBear knows Cortland 5-1 (5 straight wins) after 86-76 beating of homestanding Alfred tonight
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: thebear on December 03, 2005, 10:41:05 pm
Jdex - you're right, but take a looksee at Cortland State page on DIII Hoops and they are listed as 6-2.

Regardless, IC has a tough week ahead of them.  Slu is not your typical 1-4 team, gave strong competition to both Brockport and Rochester, they have good shooters, and decent size.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 04, 2005, 12:01:41 am
I picked Cortland to win by 8-12 and they win by 10! I'm gonna bet on every NFL game tomorrow!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on December 04, 2005, 02:24:43 pm
Gobomber15- how does it feel to be a fan of an Ithaca basketball program that is 0-4 and has a winning percentage of .000? I am sure you are feeling good these days.

On November 1st your scout/prediction of Ithaca Basketball is turning out to be a falsehood so far this season. There is no way Ithaca is going to make it to third place and the E8 tournament without winning

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3)Ithaca- A solid core returns for the Bombers. Jimmy Bellis is one of the best and most athletic players in the conference and will be the defensive focus for Ithaca opponents. Brian Andruskiewicz is one of the best low-post players in the league and should be primed for a big season; his numbers have improved in each of his first three seasons. Jon Whetstone has full reins on the point guard duties now that Nate Thomas has graduated. Sean Stahn has showed intriguing glimpses of potential and will step into a starting role at power forward in 2005.  Brad Clemente will have to fill the shoes, defensively, of departed Jesse Roth. Sophomore Brian Joe supplies a reliable long-distance threat off the bench. The Bombers hope one or two of their underclassmen will fill out their rotation and provide the team with adequate depth.

If you remember Ithaca Director of Athletics, Ken Kutler, came from Hartwick. He did some good things at Hartwick and some bad things. He and former President Rick Detweiler let men's basketball and some other programs go by the way side. It is clear that Ithaca basketball is in trouble and we may be starting to see a downfall. Hopefully, Ken is doing something to stop the bleeding. If he is, I commend him, as he didn't do it at Hartwick.

Meanwhile, Hartwick Basketball is 3-1 (.750) heading into big week with all winable games.  As I said in my earlier post, it is still early but Hartwick Basketball is looking impressive compared to the past several years and they are deep. On another subject, Greg Betancourt wasn't apart of the win against Skidmore this past week. Rumor is he is longer playing for the Hartwick Hawks!

Folks, we might have a new team (ie Ithaca) taking the place of Hartwick/Elmira in the basement of the E8 for men's basketball!

Ciao for now
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 04, 2005, 03:28:06 pm
RTH, your ignorance shines through when you compare Hartwick's early season schedule to Ithaca's. Ithaca always starts out horribly(because they play tough teams early on) and then is a touch over .500 in conference and makes the post-season tourney. RTH, remind me again the last time Hartwick made the conference tourney. After you do that, remind me again the last time your team won the conference(Ithaca was the last team not named Fisher to take the E8).

The only decent team Hartwick has played thus far is Plattsburgh St. The result was quite predictable; a 25-point drubbing. Ithaca would also likely be 3-1 if they had Hartwick's schedule. On the same token, Hartwick would DEFINITELY be 0-4 if they had Ithaca's schedule(@Hampden-Sydney, @Roanoke, @Mansfield(D-2), @Hobart). Hartwick's three wins have been against Skidmore(worst team in the LL), Lehman(someone care to tell me where that school is?) and Massachusetts College(ooooohhh, big win). Don't forget Ithaca hasn't played a home game yet, either. They are a much better team in The Bulb.

When you beat somebody besides St.Theresa's School for the Blind, Deaf and Dumb then come talk to me. Also, there's a good chance that IC is 0-7 going into conference play with games against Cortland, Potsdam and St.Lawrence this week. And you know what? I'm fine with that. I've said ALL ALONG that Ithaca's season comes down to the E8 tourney. Sure, they have to make it first but they've had bad starts like this in past years and still made it.

So keep running your mouth, keep starting half your sentences with the word "folks," and keep enjoying your zero or one-win conference season. Chump!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: thebear on December 04, 2005, 09:30:27 pm
Lehman is a CUNY School.  I think its located in the Bronx.

Lo & behold, tho the D-III hoops preseason All-American team

has as a 1st team selection

C Sekani Francis Lehman Sr. Bronx, N.Y 6'10.

That being said, they are winless.  Francis averages a double double.
Lehman was 21-7 last year and returns 12 players from that team.
Unfortunately, they still have last years stats posted to their web site.
But Francis had 25 pts 12 rebounds in their last game.

The game was also a consy, in which anything can happen.




Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 04, 2005, 09:56:06 pm
Thanks, Bear.

The fact remains Lehman lost to Hartwick(a team that will finish 7th or 8th in the conference) which means they probably suck.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on December 05, 2005, 01:28:39 am
Gobombers15- Consider these facts:

Fact: Hartwick is 3-1 and is currently tied for first place in the overall standings of Empire 8. Ithaca is last with a record of 0-0.

Source: http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=Ithaca&team=m&year=2006

Fiction: Skidmore is in last place of the Liberty League.
Truth: Skidmore is .500 and is in 4 place out of 8 teams

Source: http://www.d3hoops.com/conference_info.php?conf=LL&team=m

Fact: Through the 2005 season Hartwick has played a combined total of 1619 games in the history of the program. Hartwick has won 944 of then or .583.

Through the 2005 season Ithaca has played a combined total of 1582 games in the history of the program. Ithaca has won 909 of then or .575

Source: http://bombers.ithaca.edu/Sports/mbasket/2005/mbballhistory.asp?path=mbasket     
http://www.hartwick.edu/x2742.xml

Fiction: I am a coward and can't take the heat that this board dishes out
Fact: I am a persistant, thick-skined, and dedicated Hartwick Basketball fan that won't leave this message board. You have me for the season and post season. Deal with it!

Fact: I am NOT in the position and Won't cowtail to Gobombers15 and other posters that might dis-respect the Hartwick Hawks.

Source: Yours truly, Respect_the_hawks

Learn to Respect  Hartwick Men'
s basketball team! It is a privelege to play aganst them!

Folks, have a good Monday and week!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 05, 2005, 10:43:29 am
RTH, the only history I care about is recent history. I don't care how good 'Wick was 20 or 30 years ago. How good have the been in the last five years? Skidmore WILL be one of the bottom two teams in the LL just like Hartwick will be one of the worst teams in the E8. If you want to measure the success of a season after four games, then go for it. I still guarantee you Ithaca finishes higher in the E8 standings than Hartwick.

And just because absolutely nobody in here respects the Hawks doesn't mean the teams are going to take Hartwick lightly. The coaches will make sure of that, so get off your soapbox, Rodney Dangerfield. Your team is still garbage.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on December 05, 2005, 11:55:08 am
Gobombers15 -

Recent History (5 Years)
Hartwick has won 29 out of 123 games (.236)

Remaining History (69 Years)
Hartwick has won 915 out of 1496 games (.612)

With the exception of the past five years, Hartwick has been a HIGHLY successful DII & DIII basketball team.

This is history, it can't be changed. Hartwick has won their fair share of playoff appearences.

What matters is Hartwick has had (with the exception of the past 5 years) a strong tradition of strong Basketball programs.

Enough with History talk!

What matters now is the 2005-2006 Basketball season:

Right now. Hartwick is 3-1 (.750) and Ithaca is 0-4 (.000)

It is early, but things are not looking good for bomber b-ball.

Speculation Mania

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Skidmore WILL be one of the bottom two teams in the LL just like Hartwick will be one of the worst teams in the E8. If you want to measure the success of a season after four games, then go for it. I still guarantee you Ithaca finishes higher in the E8 standings than Hartwick.
These are some bold speculative statements

Your speculation is no better then my speculation!

Lastly

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Your team is still garbage.


Okay then! Your team (Ithaca) is currently horse #!^ *

Folks, Ciao for now
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 05, 2005, 01:28:55 pm
Gobombers15 -

Recent History (5 Years)
Hartwick has won 29 out of 123 games (.236)

Remaining History (69 Years)
Hartwick has won 915 out of 1496 games (.612)

With the exception of the past five years, Hartwick has been a HIGHLY successful DII & DIII basketball team.

This is history, it can't be changed. Hartwick has won their fair share of playoff appearences.

What matters is Hartwick has had (with the exception of the past 5 years) a strong tradition of strong Basketball programs.

Enough with History talk!

What matters now is the 2005-2006 Basketball season:

Right now. Hartwick is 3-1 (.750) and Ithaca is 0-4 (.000)

It is early, but things are not looking good for bomber b-ball.

Speculation Mania

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Skidmore WILL be one of the bottom two teams in the LL just like Hartwick will be one of the worst teams in the E8. If you want to measure the success of a season after four games, then go for it. I still guarantee you Ithaca finishes higher in the E8 standings than Hartwick.
These are some bold speculative statements

Your speculation is no better then my speculation!

Lastly

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Your team is still garbage.


Okay then! Your team (Ithaca) is currently horse #!^ *

Folks, Ciao for now


WAH!! holy crap, this guy's whining is driving me up a freakin' wall!
Shut the hell up about what Hartwick did 20 years ago. Big f-in deal!
RTH, it's all about the present. The here-and-now. Believe me, supporting a program that's only 5 years old (Utica football), you have to think in the now.

BTW, Utica basketball USED to be Division I, and actually played Syracuse a couple of times. Taste THAT, RTH!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on December 05, 2005, 01:50:27 pm

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RTH, it's all about the present. The here-and-now.
-budcrew08

Thanks budcrew08, thanks you for agreeing with me that we need to focus on the present. 

The present is:

Empire 8 Standings (Overall)

1. Hartwick and Utica (.750)
2. St John Fisher (.667)
3. Nazerath and RIT (.500)
4. Alfred and Elmira  (.400)
5. Ithaca                  (.000)

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on December 05, 2005, 02:23:29 pm
Actually RIT is 2-1.

My math may be a little rusty, but I think that's better than .500
The one loss is to #10 WPI.
RIT hosts it's home tourney this weekend starting with York on 12/9.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 05, 2005, 02:42:22 pm
And the Tigers home tourney should be interesting, with Oswego being invited.  They play Wilkes first, who lost their opener to Potsdam but has won four straight since.  Taking their loss to the Bears into consideration, it looks like a Lakers/Tigers final is the most likely scenario. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on December 05, 2005, 03:43:17 pm
Tigerfan2, you are absolutely correct. RIT is 2-1. I based my information off of d3hoops.com. which is obviously not up to date.

The UPDATED Empire 8 Standings (Overall)

1. Hartwick and Utica       (.750) 3-1
2. St John Fisher and RIT (.667) 2-1
3. Nazerath                      (.500) 2-2
4. Alfred and Elmira          (.400) 2-3
5. Ithaca                           (.000) 0-4

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 05, 2005, 05:44:14 pm
Actually, let me all give you the conference standings since those are the only ones that matter for every team not named St.John Fisher:

Fisher  0-0
RIT      0-0
Utica   0-0
Ithaca 0-0
Alfred  0-0
Naz     0-0
'Wick   0-0
Elmira  0-0

RTH, this is the only time your team will not have more losses than wins in the conference, so enjoy it. Since you enjoy facts so much, I'll give you a few.

Fact: Combined record of teams Hartwick has defeated: 3-9

Fact: Technically, it's 2-9 because Skidmore beat Paul Smith's College and I don't even think that's a D3 school. Who's their best player, Pocahontas?

Fact: Combined record of Ithaca's opponents: 13-5(didn't include Mansfield because they are D2)...and that's even including 2-3 Hobart.

Fact: Hartwick's road winning pct: .000...same as Ithaca's

Fact: Ithaca hasn't played a home game yet.

Fact: Ithaca doesn't schedule cupcakes like Lehman, Skidmore and Bard.

Fact: Ithaca will beat Hartwick twice this year and finish ahead of them in the conference standings.

Fact: RTH is a chump and is doing nothing but causing more people to hate Hartwick because they are a garbage team and have done nothing to warrant mentioning while any of us were in college.

TASTE IT
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on December 05, 2005, 06:33:49 pm
Actually, let me all give you the conference standings since those are the only ones that matter for every team not named St.John Fisher:

Fisher 0-0
RIT 0-0
Utica 0-0
Ithaca 0-0
Alfred 0-0
Naz 0-0
'Wick 0-0
Elmira 0-0

RTH, this is the only time your team will not have more losses than wins in the conference, so enjoy it. Since you enjoy facts so much, I'll give you a few.  Speculation

Fact: Combined record of teams Hartwick has defeated: 3-9  Atleast Hartwick is in the win column

Fact: Technically, it's 2-9 because Skidmore beat Paul Smith's College and I don't even think that's a D3 school. Who's their best player, Pocahontas?  I like the humor

Fact: Combined record of Ithaca's opponents: 13-5(didn't include Mansfield because they are D2)...and that's even including 2-3 Hobart.  And who agreed to play teams like this?

Fact: Hartwick's road winning pct: .000...same as Ithaca's  Well, that is about to change

Fact: Ithaca hasn't played a home game yet.  I hope for your sake they win soon

Fact: Ithaca doesn't schedule cupcakes like Lehman, Skidmore and Bard.  At least Paul Culpo scheduled managable games to start

Fact: Ithaca will beat Hartwick twice this year and finish ahead of them in the conference standings.  Major Speculation Alert

Fact: RTH is a chump and is doing nothing but causing more people to hate Hartwick because they are a garbage team and have done nothing to warrant mentioning while any of us were in college.  At least my team has won a game!

TASTE IT  The only thing I taste is victory over Vassar, Bard, Oneonta State, and TBA this week

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 05, 2005, 07:02:57 pm
You won't beat O-State, first of all.

Secondly, isn't everything pretty much speculation at this point. I mean, the conference season hasn't even started. However, I'm using educated guesses about what will happen whereas you just come out and say "respect Hartwick or you're going to get beat." I'm pretty sure nobody really feared 'Wick last year and everyone did pretty well against them. And if I have to hear one more time about how you guys were within 10 or whatever against Fisher at home last year, I may throw-up in my mouth.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 05, 2005, 07:48:31 pm
You won't beat O-State, first of all.

Secondly, isn't everything pretty much speculation at this point. I mean, the conference season hasn't even started. However, I'm using educated guesses about what will happen whereas you just come out and say "respect Hartwick or you're going to get beat." I'm pretty sure nobody really feared 'Wick last year and everyone did pretty well against them. And if I have to hear one more time about how you guys were within 10 or whatever against Fisher at home last year, I may throw-up in my mouth.

Personally, I cant wait until IC/HC and IC/UC face off, then this guy might just keep his mouth shut.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 05, 2005, 07:56:22 pm


Personally, I cant wait until IC/HC and IC/UC face off, then this guy might just keep his mouth shut.
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Amen, budcrew. Unfortunately, then the excuses will come fast and furious. For instance, "Hartwick is much improved, folks! Folks, we were within 18 points of Utica with 5 minutes left. The lesson is obvious: Respect the Hawks or you will be sorry!!"

And, RTH, in regard to your comment about scheduling "manageable" games: Ithaca tries to get BETTER by playing BETTER teams. Last year they played several quality opponents early on and improved throughout the season, culminating in taking Fisher to the last minute on Fisher's home floor. And, please, don't tell me all those games were unwinnable. We lost to Roanoke(6-2) on their home floor and played neck-and-neck with them the whole way. Also, IC  lost to Hobart after the Bombers played an awful first half and just did not have enough to come back all the way in the 2nd. They lost those two games by four and six points, respectively. Those are the games they'd win at home. So don't tell me they're not "manageable." Bottom line, Ithaca lost both of those, not making any excuses. Did they have a shot against HS-C or Mansfield? Probably not. But IC will be more prepared for the Fisher/RIT/Utica's of the world than Hartwick will after beating up on schools like Massachusetts College of Future Dunkin Donuts Drive-Thru Managers.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 05, 2005, 08:01:40 pm


Personally, I cant wait until IC/HC and IC/UC face off, then this guy might just keep his mouth shut.
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Amen, budcrew. Unfortunately, then the excuses will come fast and furious. For instance, "Hartwick is much improved, folks! Folks, we were within 18 points of Utica with 5 minutes left. The lesson is obvious: Respect the Hawks or you will be sorry!!"

And, RTH, in regard to your comment about scheduling "manageable" games: Ithaca tries to get BETTER by playing BETTER teams. Last year they played several quality opponents early on and improved throughout the season, culminating in taking Fisher to the last minute on Fisher's home floor. And, please, don't tell me all those games were unwinnable. We lost to Roanoke(6-2) on their home floor and played neck-and-neck with them the whole way. Also, IC  lost to Hobart after the Bombers played an awful first half and just did not have enough to come back all the way in the 2nd. They lost those two games by four and six points, respectively. Those are the games they'd win at home. So don't tell me they're not "manageable." Bottom line, Ithaca lost both of those, not making any excuses. Did they have a shot against HS-C or Mansfield? Probably not. But IC will be more prepared for the Fisher/RIT/Utica's of the world than Hartwick will after beating up on schools like Massachusetts College of Future Dunkin Donuts Drive-Thru Managers.

Here's the thing about IC's schedule, especially in the early season. IC probably plays Mansfield U because it's a fairly short trip. I don't know, gb15, can you back me up on this?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on December 05, 2005, 08:14:35 pm
What does everboby think about Fishers next two games and will they stand a chance against any team in the Randolph-Macon Tourament?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 05, 2005, 10:51:52 pm
What does everboby think about Fishers next two games and will they stand a chance against any team in the Randolph-Macon Tourament?

First off, do they "stand a chance" against "any team" in the Randolph Macon tournament? Well, seeing as how they were ranked #7 in the pre-season poll, I think they "stand a chance" against pretty much every team they play. That said, I'm not sure if they win this tournament.

Nick Bennett does not become eligible until the 2nd semester begins as he is taking some grad courses in the Spring, but not in the Fall(has used only three years of eligibility because he was injured his freshman year). Bennett is by far Fisher's most valuable player(O'Brien is the best). He essentially shuts down the other team's top option, he rebounds very well and always seems to hit timely 3-pointers that stop another team's momentum or puts the nail in the proverbial coffin.

 If Bennett were eligible, I'd venture to say the Cards would likely be the favorite in the tournament. Since he isn't, I say Fisher rolls Lake Erie College by about 20 points then gets nipped by Randolph Macon or Lincoln by less than 5 points.

Just one person's opinion.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on December 05, 2005, 11:58:25 pm
Yeah, Ricco, I'll second GB15's take.  Lake Erie has looked decent early but history suggests their league isn't good and they're probably not either.  Not much to go on, I know, but I'd take SJF by 15-20.

Either Lincoln or RMC would be a great test for Fisher, both probably far better than anyone else in NY w/ the possible exception of UR.  My guess is RMC will beat Lincoln narrowly on their home floor, then beat Fisher by about 3 points.  I'd like to see SJF come away with a couple statement wins though for the E8's sake.

RespectTheHawks....congratulations on salting away the 2005-06 Empire 8 Unintentional Comedy Championship this early in the year.  You came out focused and ready to go with some truly ludicrous statements and you show no signs of slowing down.  RespectRespectTheHawks.  Too bad your season has 2 more wins in it, tops.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on December 06, 2005, 09:20:35 am
Random thought:

GB15 is right...Prince WOULD be the best player on 'Wick.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on December 06, 2005, 12:33:49 pm
looking over fisher's schedule the next 4 games I believe are crucial to the team, as far as the national rankings and a possible at large bid to NCAA's, givin an upset in the empire 8 tourny.

Having said that I agree with gobombers15, that the only games that matter are the empire8 league games and the conference tournament. My opinion is obviously biased but I think on talent alone fisher should be able to win the league and the conference tourny if it is on fisher's home floor (one loss at home in the last 4 years to Hamilton in the NCAA tourny).

I was wondering how everyone except respect the hawks feels about fisher's chances to win the league, and how deep they think Fisher can go in the tourny?
Basically, how good do they think the team really is?


GO Cards...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on December 06, 2005, 02:31:26 pm
Tuesday, December 6th

Vassar @ Hartwick*, 7pm
Skidmore @ Utica, 7pm
St. John Fisher @ Fredonia, 7:30pm
Pitt Bradford @ Elmira, 7:30pm
Cortland @ Ithaca, 8pm
Geneseo @ Alfred, 8pm
Nazareth @ Oswego, 8pm

*Game of the night


Thoughts:

Vassar @ Hartwick, 7pm

Vassar (5-1) is coming off a victory against SUNY-Purchase. Hartwick (3-1) is having a great start to their season. This will be the Hawks toughest match up so far this season. They are coming of a convincing win against Skidmore last week. . Hartwick will try to go 4-1, thus doubling there past win percentage.

Skidmore @ Utica, 7pm

Skidmore (2-3) is coming off a loss to Connecticut College. Utica (3-1) is also coming off a loss against Union. Utica will try to get back in the win column. This will be an interesting non conference contest.

St. John Fisher @ Fredonia, 7:30pm

St John Fisher (2-1) is coming off a win against. Fredonia (2-4) is coming off an overtime loss to Oneonta State. Fredonia will go for the upset, while Fisher will try to go 3-1.

Pitt Bradford @ Elmira, 7:30pm

Pitt Bradford (3-3) is coming off an overtime loss against Pitt-Greensburg. Elmira (2-3) is coming off a victory against Clarkson. This game could go either way, should be an interesting one.

Cortland @ Ithaca, 8pm

Cortland (5-1) is coming off a victory against Alfred. Ithaca (0-4) on the other hand is struggling so far this season. Tonight’s game is the home opener for the Bombers. The Bombers will try not to go (0-5) on the season. A loss could be devastating to the program, as it will no doubt create some fan dissension.


Geneseo @ Alfred, 8pm

Geneseo (2-3) is coming off a win against Plattsburg. Alfred (2-3) is coming off a loss to Cortland. Alfred will try to get back in the win column tonight. This will be an interesting non conference contest

Nazareth @ Oswego, 8pm

Oswego (5-0) is coming off a victory against Brockport. Nazareth (2-2) is coming off a win against Pitt-Bradford. This could be a tough game for the Golden Flyers. Oswego will look to continue their undefeated streak.

RIT, is off tonight.

That is all folks. After all this is a free message board and I can only do son much pro-bono work.

How is the Holiday shopping going? Christmas is only 19 days away!

 For those students out there, good luck on finals!

Ciao for now!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 06, 2005, 04:42:11 pm
Well, we know another thing about RTH, he definitely is not a writer or journalism major. Hey RTH, could you say "coming off" or "folks" anymore? You call that "analysis?" You  said what each team did in their last game, what their record is and included a few moronic/ignorant comments. Let the fun begin.

Tuesday, December 6th

Vassar @ Hartwick*, 7pm
Skidmore @ Utica, 7pm
St. John Fisher @ Fredonia, 7:30pm
Pitt Bradford @ Elmira, 7:30pm
Cortland @ Ithaca, 8pm
Geneseo @ Alfred, 8pm
Nazareth @ Oswego, 8pm

*Game of the night


Hartwick and Vassar is not the game of the night, bud. Just because two teams have good records(temporarily) doesn't mean anything. The quality of the basketball will be low. Sure, it'll be a close game but if the basketball isn't good, why watch? If the Texans played the Jets right now, it'd be a close game but would anyone dub that game the "game of the week." That it may be close, however, doesn't change the fact that nobody would give a rat's ass about the game. The only game less prominent than Hartwick/Vassar tonight is Pitt/Bradford.

Real Game of the Night: Nazareth at Oswego, followed by Cortland at Ithaca.

Tuesday, December 6th

Cortland @ Ithaca, 8pm

Cortland (5-1) is coming off a victory against Alfred. Ithaca (0-4) on the other hand is struggling so far this season. Tonight’s game is the home opener for the Bombers. The Bombers will try not to go (0-5) on the season. A loss could be devastating to the program, as it will no doubt create some fan dissension.


That assumes people on the Ithaca campus actually care about the basketball team. Other than about 100 core fans, most on Ithaca's campus only think one athletic event takes place each year: The Cortaca Jug. There will be no dissension because that implies people care enough. This isn't D1, RTH, nobody is gonna start a firejimmullins.com(though I have thought about trying it). Ithacans are too worried about recycling to notice the team is doing poorly.

Tuesday, December 6th

St. John Fisher @ Fredonia, 7:30pm

St John Fisher (2-1) is coming off a win against. Fredonia (2-4) is coming off an overtime loss to Oneonta State. Fredonia will go for the upset, while Fisher will try to go 3-1. 


Fisher is coming off a win against...really? Fredonia is going for the upset? Fisher is trying to go to 3-1? You mean, both teams are trying to win that game? What insight! Tell me more! Like why do white people like Wayne Brady so much?

Tuesday, December 6th

Nazareth @ Oswego, 8pm

Oswego (5-0) is coming off a victory against Brockport. Nazareth (2-2) is coming off a win against Pitt-Bradford. This could be a tough game for the Golden Flyers. Oswego will look to continue their undefeated streak.


Hold up. You're telling me that playing on the road against a very good, senior-laden, undefeated team could be a tough game for a young, .500 team? Wow, you're relentless at getting to the bottom of things.

But thanks for the pro-bono work. However, I think most of the posters are going to start a fund soon to pay you to stop posting.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 06, 2005, 08:56:21 pm
Cortland closes the first half with a quick 7-1 spurt and takes the lead going into halftime, 28-23.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on December 06, 2005, 10:52:58 pm
Folks, Hartwick dropped a tough game tonight against an impressive Vassar squad. The final was 65-55. It by far a butt kicking, but just enough to send a message to the young Hartwick squad that prosperity comes easy in DIII hoops. We will see how the Hawks will react Thursday night against Bard and this weekend in the Holiday Inn Tip Off.

Before, everyone get all over me. Please understand that I never guarenteed a win tonight or even this week (not to mention the entire season). What I have been saying is the Hartwick Hawks are in a much better position to win games against more talented team.

Well it looks like Ithaca has fallen to (0-5) on the season after a heartbreaking loss to Cortland. Yes, you are not drunk Folks. That is right, there are no wins in the win column. I haven't made a typo or am trying to pull a prank. It is freakin reality.

I heard that Friday night will be Pocahontas Babble Head Night at Ithaca. The first 100 people who enter Ben Light Gymnasium will receive this door prize. Rumor is GoBombers15 will be camping outside the night before to be the first person in line. 

More later.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 06, 2005, 11:06:45 pm
Yes, Cortland defeated Ithaca, 57-55. It was a hard-fought game throughout. Cortland maintained the lead for the entire game as its advantage fluctuated between two and seven points in the 2nd half. Seemingly every instance in which Ithaca brought it to within a bucket, Cortland responded with a 3-pointer or big shot to quiet the crowd. RTH can run his mouth as much as he wants, but Ithaca has lost three tough games(2,4,6) against teams much better than Vassar. Enjoy your last win of the season against Bard, RTH. It's all downhill from there, buddy.

By the way, I think my estimation of the Games of the Night were a bit closer than yours(Cortland nips Ithaca, 57-55...and Oswego hangs on against Naz, 68-66).

In other E8 news...

Fisher        76
Fredonia    67

Closer than I thought it would/should be.

Utica            83
Skidmarks    49

Still think Skidmore is good, RTH?

Pitt-Bradford  75
Elmira            65

Yaaawwwwn. Though it looks like Elmira will be better than Hartwick, after all.

I can't wait for Ithaca to put it on Hartwick twice this year. It's going to be fannnnntastic.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on December 06, 2005, 11:38:02 pm
Impressive losses for Naz and Ithaca. I saw Cortland play against Elmira earlier this year and they look to be a solid team. Naz hangs in with a tough Oswego team.

What can ya say about the Utica score...wow.

The Fisher score may be a little bit deciving. Fredonia did not get within 10 in the 2nd half. Also Fisher was ahead by about 15 at the half. I did not see the game but I checked out the play by play on the fredonia site. Still think that Fisher should have been able to extend the lead in the 2nd half, but still not all bad.

Hartwick, well they suck...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on December 06, 2005, 11:40:27 pm
Vassar is not impressive, RTH.  Vassar is just as bad as they always are, last or next to last in the LL.

Yeah, Ithaca's 0-5.  We're not very good.  In fact, we may be downright lousy.  However, RtheH,  there is no way, no chance, nada, zero, that Hartwick would have won a game playing IC's schedule either.  Your proof will come next month when Cortland beats you by 25-30.

I have no interest in pumping up Ithaca's 0-5 to be anything other than it is.  Which is probably why I find your shilling for Hartwick, with its 3-2 record against absolutely nobody approaching even mediocre, to be so distasteful. 

Silly me for thinking that a home loss to somebody as god-awful as Vassar would shut you up. Instead we get the "wow guys (oops, i mean 'folks'), (insert lightly-regarded team that just beat the snot out of us here) is pretty good, watch out for them" defense. Classic.  When can we expect the campaign for Top 25 votes, RtheH?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 07, 2005, 09:03:05 am
Wow spend a little time away from the boards and look what I have been missing.
GB15 keep up the work against the Hartwick kid.
He is driving me nuts!
Fisher will win the leage this year- they will go deeper in the NCAA's and will have a few key losses that will put them in the bottom of the top 25.

Good enough speculation?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 07, 2005, 11:28:24 am
Impressive losses for Naz and Ithaca. I saw Cortland play against Elmira earlier this year and they look to be a solid team. Naz hangs in with a tough Oswego team.


I was very surprised how Naz played against Oswego at their place. It sounded as if Naz was in control most of the way but a late rally by the Lakers did them in. Oswego didn't lead in the game until there was 4 minutes remaining. Joe Canori(Webster grad!) poured in 25. Naz is going to be a tough out this year.

Since I like to think of myself as a revisionist, here are GB15's new conference predictions:

1)Fisher(13-1)
2)Utica(10-4)
3)RIT(9-5)
4)Ithaca(8-6)
5a)Naz(7-7)
5b)Alfred(7-7)
7)Elmira (2-12)
8)Hartwick(0-14)*

*It's possible hartwick goes 1-13 if they can beat Elmira at home.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on December 07, 2005, 11:35:13 am
The reality is your league stinks.  I have seen Utica play and they are good, probably better than Fisher this season.  Their only loss is to Union who may very well have the best team in the region.  Plus their Montana is the best coach in the region.

I saw Hartwick scrimmage SUNY IT and as a local Utica guy who has seen alot of games over the past 20 years they really aren't too bad.  I would be surprised if they didn't win atleast 5 or 6 league games this year. 
Now I don't think they are going to be like that maniac RTH but I do think they will win some games.  They essentially played SUNYIT to a standoff.

As for your league I saw Ithaca once an they stink.  Elmira I have not seen yet but can't imagine they are any good.

i would say your league is the weakest of the big 3 (LL, E8, SUNY).

So stop arguing about how good or bad Hartwick is and worry about our league!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 07, 2005, 01:07:28 pm
clearconceipt,

Fantastic name.  That's all I'm going to say to you.

As for the Fisher fan's post, they obviously are favored to win the league this year, but I don't see them going any further in the NCAA's (if they make it).  Potsdam exposed them last year as a weak interior team, which they obviously are.  The loss of Sidney only makes it worse.  They were able to get through the season last year undefeated because no one in the E8 had that kind of personnel. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 07, 2005, 01:47:56 pm
Hey clear C,
I am a Utica native and UC is ok.
From all I am hearing about Fisher, this is a runaway league championship.
If you are so worried about Utica- what league do you root for?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 07, 2005, 01:50:18 pm
Good luck trying to make an argument for either league in the eternal battle for "Who's better, the E8 or SUNYAC?"

At this point this is what I gather:

SOLID
Potsdam
Fisher
Oswego

LOOKING GOOD
Utica
RIT
Cortland

MAYBE
Alfred
Naz
Buff State

And this early in the season this is subject to change rapidly.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on December 07, 2005, 04:25:13 pm
Bamm, I think you did a good job picking the better teams. I think Fisher may have the edge because of the return of Bennett and Auman. Two really good players.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: thebear on December 07, 2005, 06:24:18 pm
This is a strange year because of real or imagined second half additions that will significantly change teams for the better:

Brockport
Rother
Harris?
WIlliams?

Alfred
Bryant

New Paltz
Foluke-Henderson?

Plattsburgh
Simmons?

Fisher
Bennett

This list of additions is significant as it stands, any other second half additions anyone knows about?

Some of these teams will experience enough 1st half L's that the conference tournament will be the only way they make the dance, but they also have to potential to spoil at large bids for good teams with gaudy records that didn't win the conference (e.g. Oswego last year, which was clearly a bubble team, and undoubtedly would have made a 59 team field)

All of the solid teams you mentioned have some first rate players:

Oswego:

Perioli, Mims, Burridge

Potsdam:

Barton, Ducena, Bisesi

Fisher

O'Brien, Bennett, Auman


I haven't seen anything yet that wouldn't put Cortland in that top group, and everyone seems to be forgetting Liberty League squads Union, which has a solid club with a solid coach, and Hamilton, which is arguably loaded with talent.

We'll see how it plays out.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 07, 2005, 06:50:11 pm

I saw Hartwick scrimmage SUNY IT and as a local Utica guy who has seen alot of games over the past 20 years they really aren't too bad. I would be surprised if they didn't win atleast 5 or 6 league games this year.
Now I don't think they are going to be like that maniac RTH but I do think they will win some games. They essentially played SUNYIT to a standoff.

i would say your league is the weakest of the big 3 (LL, E8, SUNY).


First of all, calling the LL/E8/SUNYAC the "big 3" would be like a D1 fan calling the WAC, Mountain West and the West Coast Conference the "big 3." Sure, there may be a stud team or two in those conferences but come tourney time they'll get stepped on. Let's just get that settled up front.

Secondly, if Hartwick wins 6 conference games I'll never post again on Post Patterns. Book it. If they get that sixth conference win, I'll sign off forever. Pat Coleman can block me from the site. I don't care what it takes, I would never post again.

Fortunately, there's a better chance of Oneonta making the "50 best cities to live" than Hartwick taking six conference games, so there won't be too much sleep lost on that one.

Clearconceit, correct me if I'm wrong but you saw Ithaca on the road this year. Ithaca turns in stinkers about 75% of the time when they play away from South Hill. They're the prototypical average team...tough at home, lousy on the road.

In other news, Hartwick's first 9 conference games:

vs Alfred(return of Quentin Bryant)
vs Fisher (return of Nick Bennett...well, his 2nd game back)
vs Utica  (no chance, Hawks)
vs Ithaca (10 point win for the Bombers)
vs Elmira (Wick's first/last/only chance at a conference win)
at RIT    (GB15 has a better shot at bedding Hedi Klum than Hartwick does to win this game)
at Naz  (seeing as how they took Oswego to the brink...I say Naz by about 50)
at Fisher (bring out the bodybags)
at Alfred (Saxons too good at home...rout!)

At best, Hartwick goes 1-8 in that span. No way they win 6 conference games.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on December 07, 2005, 07:51:14 pm
I think thebear is right.The cortland team seems to be really  good.They beat some good teams. I would love to see another matchup between a suny school and E8 in the ncaa's.Think Fisher might take this one especially with their additions this year.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 07, 2005, 08:23:24 pm
I think thebear is right.The cortland team seems to be really good.They beat some good teams. I would love to see another matchup between a suny school and E8 in the ncaa's.Think Fisher might take this one especially with their additions this year.

Yes, Fisher added Auman but lost Sidney. Sidney scored so many points going to the hoop or getting to the line by screaming real loud and embellishing fouls so well. He's a great player but he was the Manu Ginobili of this league. Auman seems to have more of a perimeter game and relies more on his shooting abilities than driving or getting to the line. However, we shouldn't forget that Auman took Sidney's starting spot during Sidney's junior year and was starting over Sidney last year until he got hurt.

I'm interested to see if Sidney's departure can be offset by the return of Auman.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ballAU on December 07, 2005, 09:12:28 pm
coming as an insider in the empire 8 league i can't believe somone would be bringing up hartwick as a tourney contender. Even with a good incoming class experience means alot and coming from 5 losing seasons your in the wrong seat to praise an unproven team, I think that Alfred will be a big contender in the empire 8 and will make the tourney.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 07, 2005, 09:33:41 pm
Fisher fans -- this is the thing about your team:  Last year, every doubter said they didn't get tough competition in the E8, that they were a finesse team, and that when faced with a big, strong squad they would fall.  When the Cards came out and laid an egg against Potsdam the doubters all got to say "I told you so." 

They have done nothing yet to change anyone's opinion.  They missed a chance to do so against Baldwin-Wallace.  They have another chance next weekend at the Randolph-Macon tourney (if they beat Lake Erie, they'll play either RM or Lincoln). 

I suspect if they lose in the RM tourney you'll see them drop out of the D3hoops Top 25, and they probably will have to put up a lot of wins before they return. 

One more thing -- RIT has big games coming up against SUNY schools.  If they win on Friday they'll probably see Oswego on Saturday night, followed by Cortland on Tuesday.  Both at home.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on December 07, 2005, 11:05:14 pm
You know what I just noticed? Someone bring Not In The Bulb back......I miss him. Unless he's the same guy as GB15? Then I apologize.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 07, 2005, 11:11:45 pm
Jukebox Hero--He is I and I am Him.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on December 08, 2005, 10:00:51 am
You have way too much hostility pal.  I refer to these 3 leagues as the big 3 in NY State not the USA.  In the grand scheme all of our teams are feeble, none can compare to the Midwest boys.
Now I never said anything about Hartwick being great I am jsut saying having watched their scrimmage versus SUNYIT they are significantly improved from the team I saw Utica kill last season.  They have a couple of big boys.  Can they win 6 league games?  i don't know, but if IT was in the league I think they would win 6 games.  That's all I meant. 

Look don't attack everybody just becasue RTH gets under your skin.  Everyone have opinions.  I think Utica is going to win the league.  That is my opinion.  You have yours etc.  As for Hartwick, who cares.  As long as my boys win that is all  I care about.  But as a fanatical poster you may want to be careful about vowing to never post again.

My league predictions

UTICA
SJF
NAZ
HARTWICK
ALFRED
RIT
ITHACA
ELMIRA


GO U T I C A!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 08, 2005, 10:26:04 am
Clear C,
It's no problem to  root for UC!
I read about them daily in the OD!
Really though-win the e8 outright.
That is a little stretch dontcha think?
Maybe my rose colored glasses make me feel that Fisher will dominate,
but what is this years difference in UC?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on December 08, 2005, 11:27:22 am
clearconciet,

I am a UC fan too.  I think it should be interesting to see UC and Fisher battle for the E8 title. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 08, 2005, 12:58:39 pm
You have way too much hostility pal. I refer to these 3 leagues as the big 3 in NY State not the USA. In the grand scheme all of our teams are feeble, none can compare to the Midwest boys.
Now I never said anything about Hartwick being great I am jsut saying having watched their scrimmage versus SUNYIT they are significantly improved from the team I saw Utica kill last season. They have a couple of big boys. Can they win 6 league games? i don't know, but if IT was in the league I think they would win 6 games. That's all I meant.

Look don't attack everybody just becasue RTH gets under your skin. Everyone have opinions. I think Utica is going to win the league. That is my opinion. You have yours etc. As for Hartwick, who cares. As long as my boys win that is all I care about. But as a fanatical poster you may want to be careful about vowing to never post again.

My league predictions

UTICA
SJF
NAZ
HARTWICK
ALFRED
RIT
ITHACA
ELMIRA


GO U T I C A!!!!!!!!

I'm not attacking you at all, "pal." Hostility? I harbor none except for the occasional ignorant poster or two, of which you are not one.  Like you said, everyone has their opinions so if mine differ from yours, don't take it as a personal attack. I take nothing personal that goes on in these post rooms. It's a shame that some do.

If you want to base your opinion on a scrimmage between two teams that were a combined 3-27 in their respective conferences last year, then that's ok, too. Just don't be too surprised if people disagree with you. Scrimmages are a time to work out some kinks, play different rotations to see what works, etc. I trust your opinion that Hartwick may be better this season. If people go back to my pre-season predictions on page 2 or 3, I even said "Hartwick should have improved enough to finally get out of the division cellar." That said, I still don't think they have the experience or talent to deal with the better(Utica, Fisher, RIT, Naz) or more experienced(Ithaca, Alfred) teams.

I agree with you that our league is quite inferior to the midwestern teams. I've long wondered why that's the case. People have any opinions?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on December 08, 2005, 01:13:16 pm
Good question GB15, I've often wondered that myself.  My guesses would be, in no particular order:

*40 or so D3 hoops programs within the borders of New York, far more than any other state.

*More local support for D3 in the farm towns and other villages/cities out there makes the local kids actually dream about playing for Wooster or Illinois Wesleyan or UW-Take Your Pick.

*Roster turnover...seems to plague the SUNYAC and CUNYAC teams quite a bit.  Those conferences also have major budgetary issues.

Gurus of D3Hoops.com that are floating around these boards, your takes? Why is the East the Least?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on December 08, 2005, 01:25:16 pm
I think all those reasons are valid.  But I think the biggest reason is because they are very few D-2 schools in the midwest so kids either get a D-1 scholarship or they play D-3.  Hence these teams are loaded.  I mean Wisc. Stevens Point had atleast 4 guys who would have been stars at Lemoyne up in Syracuse.
I think that is the biggest reason.  Around the East coast we have many D-2 schools that take up the better talent after D-1's are through with their pickens.

Just a thought!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 08, 2005, 02:15:20 pm
Clear C has a point.
The number of d2 schools does make a difference.
Also to piggyback on that thought look at the number of d1 schools.
It is a trickle down effect.
The more the draw the less quality.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 08, 2005, 02:55:43 pm
After a down year, it seems the LL has a couple solid teams.  Union has wins over Utica and Williams (@ Williams) and Hamilton is 6-0 already (the competition has been weak, though). 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 08, 2005, 04:36:33 pm
Bamm, it will be a two dog race in the LL between the aforementioned Hamilton and Union. True that Hamilton has yet to play anyone of note, but the margins of victory are pretty convincing so it seems like the Conts are back to their old ways. Union looks very good, like you said, and took out Williams in Massachusetts.

And, Bamm, I saw your NFL picks for last week...I sure hope you didn't bet Baltimore -9. When I saw that, I shuttered. I basically did an Irish jig when I saw a Kyle Boller-quarterbacked team was giving 9 points to anyone.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 08, 2005, 04:45:40 pm
I didn't pick them at -9.  I picked them at -8.   :-[

No biggy, no money on the line.   As much as the Ravens can't score, I was not prepared to bet on the Texans after the debacle in Houston the week before (Rams comeback). 

Back to basketball, I think Utica plays Hamilton relatively soon.  Lucky them, scheduling the two good teams in the LL.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 08, 2005, 05:29:29 pm
Good, I was worried for you, bud. If I were still gambling, I'd have made a small fortune on that game between betting it straight up and teasing it with every other game in the NFL.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 08, 2005, 09:51:34 pm
Hartwick over Bard, 53-41. I wonder if anyone in the crowd fell asleep for this one?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 09, 2005, 08:22:51 am
ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zz ;D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: unbearable on December 09, 2005, 08:30:32 am
Then again, the possibility of Respect the Hawks and Howard "Raptormania" Megdal sitting next to each other might cause the world to be knocked off its axis from so much unwarranted hype concentrated in the same place.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: HawkEmpire on December 09, 2005, 11:02:30 am
First off, I am new to this board.

I am a Oneonta, NY resident.  I have been following Hartwick Basketball for years. The past 5 years have been extremely tough for the program and the fan base. Fortunately, Hartwick this season is looking much better than in previous seasons. I respect Head Coach, Paul Culp tremendously. He has come in at a very tough time for athletics at Hartwick and have managed to begin to rebuild the program. With his two recruting classses, he has brought in some talent into the program. There is only one player (Senior John Montana) that is still on the team that Paul inherited from the old program. The biggest challenge Paul Culp and his coaching staff has is forming the talent. The future of Hartwick Basketball has arrived at Hartwick, but will take a year or so to develop. Between now and then I think Hartwick has a decent chance of wining a fair amount of games this season. However, the fun doesn't begin for another year or so until these players fully develop.

I am looking forward to watching an improving (finally) basketball squad. Hartwick might be a major player in the E8 come a year or so.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 09, 2005, 11:04:17 am
My biased predictions for the Weekend's Games at RIT:

Wilkes - 64
Oswego - 70

York - 60
RIT - 76

Oswego - 70
RIT - 73

Number of Drew Martin bench celebrations that involve a dance move -- 3.  (Comon, Drew)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on December 09, 2005, 11:32:15 am
Anyone getting the feeling that Hawkempire is pulling a JoshReed from last year
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 09, 2005, 11:33:40 am
I smell a rat! :P
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 09, 2005, 11:52:47 am
E8 games on the slate for this weekend:

Friday

Potsdam at Alfred
St.Lawrence at Ithaca
York(NY) at RIT
St.John Fisher at Geneseo

Saturday

St.Lawrence at Alfred
Potsdam at Ithaca
Oswego/Wilkes at RIT
Oneonta St at Hartwick
Naz at SUNY-Old Westbury
SUNYIT at Utica

Sunday
Fitchburg St/St.Joseph's(L.I.) at Hartwick


In other games last night, Utica thumped Cazenovia, 101-70. Kafele Fleming led a balanced attack for the Pioneers with 17 points. Utica had five players scoring between 11 and 17 points. Justin Cichon scored 13 and Willie Lucas added 13 of his own off the bench.

I'm not sure if HawkEmpire is RTH or not. He seems to have a better handle on the English language than RTH. That is, of course, unless he spent an hour editing his post. The one thing that smells fishy is that RTH wasn't on here singing the praises of Hartwick after one of their last wins of the season.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on December 09, 2005, 12:01:56 pm
I guess it's not impossible that there might be 2 Hartwick fans in the universe.  Highly improbable, yes, but impossible, no ;D

The optimism from the fans of our league's most downtrodden member (well, except for Elmira, but there's really no evidence that EC even realizes it has an athletics department, let alone gives a crap about its performance) is nice, but I'm taking an "I'll believe it when I see it" approach to Hartwick's alleged resurgence.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 09, 2005, 12:52:17 pm
Caz,
great quote on the bottom of your posts!

Reed did have a propensity for butchering the language, but still this may be an imporved model!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 09, 2005, 12:53:39 pm
Yet I now can't spell!! :P
How is geneseo?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 09, 2005, 01:03:44 pm
Let's play pickem with GB15's post:

(picks in parens)

Friday

Potsdam at Alfred  (Potsdam)
St.Lawrence at Ithaca  (Ithaca)
York(NY) at RIT (RIT)
St.John Fisher at Geneseo  (Fisher)

Saturday

St.Lawrence at Alfred  (Alfred)
Potsdam at Ithaca (Potsdam)
Oswego/Wilkes at RIT (RIT)
Oneonta St at Hartwick  (Hartwick!)
Naz at SUNY-Old Westbury (Naz)
SUNYIT at Utica (Utica)


Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 09, 2005, 01:08:49 pm
Yet I now can't spell!! :P
How is geneseo?

Of the games they played against teams from around here, Geneseo is 1-3 but the losses have all been close games. G-State lost by 7 @Oswego, by 3 at home in OT vs SUNYIT and by 5 @Alfred. Their one win in those four games was a 17-point whupping @Plattsburgh St. They look like they'll be just below a middle-of-the-road SUNYAC team, probably battling for a #7 or #8 seed in the SUNYAC tourney.

The Blue Knights have three players who average in double-figures, led by former Fairport product Steve McDonnell(14.5 ppg). Tarik Kitson and Greg Spears each average a shade over 10ppg.

If I were predicting this game, I'd say Fisher wins by 11-14 points. It would be a lot worse if the game were at SJF.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 09, 2005, 01:32:38 pm
Thanks GB!
Man Roch got lucky- we got hammered by this snow in Utica today!
Go Fish!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on December 09, 2005, 02:18:27 pm
BAMM  I think we gotta stick with St. Lawrence at Alfred.  They're good and have a former Blue Devil averaging 16 a game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 09, 2005, 02:42:23 pm
Former Blue devil?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 09, 2005, 03:09:31 pm
Without looking at the roster, and knowing col and bamm are from the same area, I'm gonna guess that may mean there's a player from their former high school that plays for SLU. In addition, they're from the North Country so that's just an educated guess.

Don't worry, not a former Dukie. Though I'd welcome the opportunity to throw debris at him if he were.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 09, 2005, 03:24:21 pm
Gotcha,
What hs?
Anyway have fun while we dig out!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on December 09, 2005, 03:55:35 pm
Hey GoBombers15- How is the Pocahontas BobbleHead camp out going? It must be pretty cold and snowy up there in the birth place of recycling (Ithaca).  Just in case you didn't see Hartwick took last night's game against Bard. Yes, that is right Hartwick is 4-2. What is Ithaca's? 0-4. The point of the season is to get numbers on the left side. Ithaca is the weakest link...Season Cancel. I hope the bombers get a pitty win tonight.

More later. I am on the way back from Florida.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 09, 2005, 04:35:04 pm
Hey GoBombers15- How is the Pocahontas BobbleHead camp out going? It must be pretty cold and snowy up there in the birth place of recycling (Ithaca). Just in case you didn't see Hartwick took last night's game against Bard. Yes, that is right Hartwick is 4-2. What is Ithaca's? 0-4. The point of the season is to get numbers on the left side. Ithaca is the weakest link...Season Cancel. I hope the bombers get a pitty win tonight.

More later. I am on the way back from Florida.

You're not very creative, RTH.

1)You took the "recycling" reference from me when I said Ithacans are too worried about recycling to realize there's a basketball team. Since you're undoubtedly very dense, I'll explain that for you. Ithaca--both the school and town--are very liberal, environmentally conscious places. On any given day you could walk right into the middle of a group protesting the materials used for the Smoothie containers. True story, that happened.

2)You took the Pocahontas reference, as well. I wondered aloud who Paul Smith's best player was and decided it must be Pocahontas. Pocahontas bobblehead night? What the hell does that mean?

Start bringing some creative smack or don't even bother. Over/Under on the amount of seconds RTH's call would last on the Jim Rome Show: 2.5. It would surely start with, "Well, folks, the Har--"(BUZZER)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 09, 2005, 04:37:06 pm
Yes, Col.  Totally slipped my mind.  

New Prediction -- SLU over Alfred.  Gotta know where my allegiance lies.

fisheralum -  Ogdensburg Blue Devils, roughly 20 miles from the SLU campus  
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: thebear on December 09, 2005, 05:07:05 pm
Col & BAMM, this just in:

SLU is who I pick, based on their tough game against U of R.  They are big, with three great shooters, including your former Blue Devil.

Remember all Blue Devil hoopers at the core still have Potsdam roots thanks to the Jedi master of North Country hoops, Bill Merna.

P.S.  I think D-III hoops has a misprint.  Geneseo got wasted by Plattsburgh.  According to Geneseo, the score was Plattsburgh 71 Geneseo 54, and that was without Gibbs-Smith. 

Geneseo is big inside, with three OK big men, so they may expose Fisher's inside weakness, particularly if Minton has talked to Dobbs lately.  Fisher's guard pairing of O'Brien and Auman is a choice Division III backcourt.

Plattsburgh will be a handful as the season progresses.  Their three quality newbies, a D-I transfer (Morgan State), a D-II transfer (Post U. of CT) and a prize freshman from Xavierian in NYC are all seeing lots of PT, and learning how to step up.

When Gibbs-Smith, who may be the most talented one-on-one offensive player in the Region gets back to 100%, the Cardinals could surprise a lot of teams, particularly on the second night of those SUNYAC North Country swings.

If the weather holds there will be a few pilgrims making the Trek from Potsdam to Ithaca tomorrow afternoon to observe Dobbs' return to the bulb and a last matchup with the players he helped to recruit. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on December 09, 2005, 08:48:48 pm
Hey RTH all I have to say is Saturday is revelation Saturday for you.  If they don't win I don't think you can keep eggin bomber on.  Looking forward to that score.
In the meantime IT versus Utica.  love that rivalry!!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 09, 2005, 08:59:51 pm
Ithaca leading at half over SLU, 30-29.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 09, 2005, 09:34:04 pm
Bombers on an 8-0 spurt, lead SLU by a score of 51-42 with 8:51 remaining.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 09, 2005, 10:07:21 pm
ITHACA WINS! Bombers hang on for their first victory of the season, defeating St.Lawrence, 70-61. Jim Bellis leads the Bombers with 14 points. Eat it, RTH.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: thebear on December 09, 2005, 10:11:42 pm
Obviously D-III Hoops user interface must be difficult.  They have the score reversed.  St. Lawrence 70, Ithaca 61.

I assume your contact was at the game and has reported the score accurately.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on December 09, 2005, 10:21:57 pm
Fisher wins
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 09, 2005, 10:32:05 pm
thebear, I listened to the game on Ithaca's student radio station and, yes, d3hoops.com has it backwards. Ithaca won, 70-61. Listening to d3 bball on a Friday night...this is the life! I'm lazy and didn't feel like wiping my car off at all today so I'm not going out. Here in Allentown(PA), we got dumped on pretty bad last night so it's been a pretty quiet day/night.

From the looks of the RIT website, Wilkes apparently did not make the trip up to Rochester. RIT/York tonight(score not reported), Oswego/York tomorrow at 2pm, RIT/Oswego at 3pm on Sunday. Wilkes-Barre must have got it pretty bad, too.

As Ricco reported, Fisher knocks off Geneseo, 75-61. I believe I estimated the Cards would win by 11-14. I'm 2-for-2 on those babies, bring on the gambling this weekend!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 09, 2005, 11:27:36 pm
Good night for the E8 as Alfred knocks off visiting and previously undefeated Potsdam, 72-65. Coupled with the Fisher victory over Geneseo, the E8 goes 2-0 vs SUNYAC tonight to make up for it's 1-2 showing earlier in the week. I, however, refuse to engage in the SUNYAC vs E8 argument because it's pointless and different teams matchup better against certain teams. Should be interesting the way things turn out with only a few more E8/SUNYAC games on this year's schedule.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on December 09, 2005, 11:52:55 pm
Good win Fisher...Really nervous at halftime(down by 1). 

Seems like a good night for the E8 overall, Alfred, Ithaca, and Fisher all with quality wins...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 10, 2005, 10:40:38 am
GB15 -  Yeah, I wasn't happy when I got to the gym in time for the Oswego game.  I believe NYC got hammered just as bad as Northern PA, but York made the drive despite playing a game on Thursday night.  Playing Oswego today means three games in three days for them. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: jdex on December 10, 2005, 12:01:48 pm
Bamm, don't believe York's playing Sunday unless Wilkes appears then. Oswego this afternoon meets York, then faces RIT in Sunday matinee
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 10, 2005, 12:50:07 pm
JDex, I think he means they're playing three games in three days because they had a game near NYC on Thursday night, played RIT last night and has the afternoon game against Oswego today.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: jdex on December 10, 2005, 04:37:43 pm
Yeah, gb15, if we had properly scanned bamm's post we would have realized. Thanx

RIT over York 66-61 on Friday. York playing Oswego this afternoon in York's 11th game of the season. It beat NY City Tech on Thursday and Medgar Evers on Tuesday. Talk about busy!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 10, 2005, 05:31:59 pm
With just under four minutes remaining, Ithaca leads visiting Potsdam by a score of 83-47. Yes, you read that correctly. I'm pretty sure Jim Mullins missed today's game, as well as last night's win against SLU, due to a family funeral. Not to make light of a serious situation, but go figure...2-0 without Mullins.

Hey RTH, we just rolled a team that is better than all four of your wins combined. Still think Hartwick will do better than Ithaca in conference play?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 10, 2005, 05:36:07 pm
Final score from South Hill:

Ithaca   90
Potsdam 58

Wow. That's all I can say.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on December 10, 2005, 06:52:26 pm
Actually it was 90-52.  Even better....too bad we don't play again til January.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 10, 2005, 10:24:40 pm
Sorry, Caz, the ICB announcers were saying it as I posted it. Obviously, this is a huge win for the Bombers against the defending SUNYAC champs. Like you said, though, not another game until January, hopefully this momentum has a long life.

The Bombers come back on January 6th to start conference play. That weekend the Bombers will host RIT on Friday night and Naz comes to the South Hill on Saturday afternoon. Absolutely huge weekend for the Bombers as they could theoretically be 2-0 or 0-2 and nobody would really be that surprised.

I can't wait for RTH's inevitable "win column" comparison. He's been inconspicuous by his absence since Ithaca has started winning.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on December 10, 2005, 11:25:17 pm
Utica beats SUNY IT 80-72. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on December 11, 2005, 07:35:27 am
Visiting my sister in Franklin today, I am going over to the Hartwick tournament to see the Hawks play Fitchburg State and Oneonta play SJ of LI.  I will try to honestly assess them for Bomber and RTH.

Go Utica,  a great win in a rivalry game!!!!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on December 11, 2005, 09:53:19 am
Part I: Creation of an Empire

Q: What do the Hartwick Hawks have in common with the following Empires:?

1. 1980 Olympic Men's Hockey Team
2. Duke Baseketball
3. USC Trojans
4. New England Patriots
5. New York Yankees
6. Boston Red Soxs
7. The Roman Empire

A: All these programs and the Roman Empire weren't fully developed in one or two years or even three.

The building phase of these programs and the Roman Empire had their fair share of loses before they started to consistantly win.

In terms of Hartwick Basketball. The nucleus has arrived, but it is young. Believe it or not Hartwick Basketball is in the embryonic stages of putting together a strong basketball program.

With this in mind it is important to have perspective. Hartwick currently has 10 freshmen, 2 Sophmores, 3 Juniors, 2 Seniors. Hartwick has been giving a ton of playing time to freshmen and sophmores, who are in turn playing against juniors and seniors. The reality is experience and talent has been overpowering rookie talent. Tell me a NBA or even a College Team who has done well with primarily freshmen or first year players in the lineup? Very few or none at all. If you are a Hartwick fan, it is important to have perspective. Our time will come.

With all of this being said every game Hartwick goes into the players are gaining valuable experience. Win or lose, Hartwick is getting better and moving closer to reaching its final goals. Every team, including the other Empire 8 teams, that has the priveleged to play Hartwick is contributing the creation of an Empire.

Part II will come out later


Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 11, 2005, 10:21:35 am
Hey Spect the hawks,
Um first Red Sox is already is plural - you don't add the s, and second - enjoy the wins - but put down the rose colored glasses.
Wick is enjoying a good start- one that you can "spect" but dear god open your eyes and reread some of your posts!
You are comparing wick to superpowers- apples and well not even oranges- grapes maybe.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on December 11, 2005, 11:14:26 am
*****Updated*****My darn staff made a typo..

Part I: Creation of an Empire

Q: What do the Hartwick Hawks have in common with the following Empires:?

1. 1980 Olympic Men's Hockey Team
2. Duke Baseketball
3. USC Trojans
4. New England Patriots
5. New York Yankees
6. Boston Red Sox
7. The Roman Empire

A: All these programs and the Roman Empire weren't fully developed in one or two years or even three.

The building phase of these programs and the Roman Empire had their fair share of loses before they started to consistantly win.

In terms of Hartwick Basketball. The nucleus has arrived, but it is young. Believe it or not Hartwick Basketball is in the embryonic stages of putting together a strong basketball program.

With this in mind it is important to have perspective. Hartwick currently has 10 freshmen, 2 Sophmores, 3 Juniors, 2 Seniors. Hartwick has been giving a ton of playing time to freshmen and sophmores, who are in turn playing against juniors and seniors. The reality is experience and talent has been overpowering rookie talent. Tell me a NBA or even a College Team who has done well with primarily freshmen or first year players in the lineup? Very few or none at all. If you are a Hartwick fan, it is important to have perspective. Our time will come.

With all of this being said every game Hartwick goes into the players are gaining valuable experience. Win or lose, Hartwick is getting better and moving closer to reaching its final goals. Every team, including the other Empire 8 teams, that has the priveleged to play Hartwick is contributing the creation of an Empire.

Part II will come out later
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 11, 2005, 02:39:03 pm
Every team, including the other Empire 8 teams, that has the priveleged to play Hartwick is contributing the creation of an Empire.


How can anyone take RTH seriously when he says stuff like this? I'm sure every team that steps on the court with the Hawks stop and reflect on just how lucky they are to even be in the same building with a team bearing Hartwick's vaunted and prestigous logo. If anything, teams are so pleased to be playing 'Wick because they all know it's an automatic win.

Your school is a joke and your team is about two years away from making any noise. Enjoy 7th or 8th place in the conference.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 11, 2005, 05:20:01 pm
RIT gets a win today over SUNY Oswego.  With that, it looks like the E8 has at least 4, possibly 5 quality teams -- Fisher, Utica, Alfred, RIT, and Naz.  I have no idea what to make of Ithaca or Hartwick.  Elmira is Elmira.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 11, 2005, 05:48:49 pm
Bamm, if you're going to call Naz and Alfred "quality" teams, you have to throw Ithaca in there, too. Naz/Alfred are no better than Ithaca right now. Ithaca's 2-5 record is very deceiving. Except for maybe Alfred, nobody in the E8 has played the schedule Ithaca has. Excluding the Hobart game(which they played an awful 1st half and just couldn't make up that ground), they haven't lost to a bad team yet. Hampden-Sydney will be a top 15 team before the season is over, Roanoke has a very good record and C-State is a very good, consistent SUNYAC team(probably the best right now). Three of Ithaca's five losses have been by 2, 4 and 6 points, respectively.

Are Naz and Alfred better than Ithaca? They may be. But basing my conclusion on the evidence seen over the past 2 years, I wouldn't bet the house on it. This is how I think it shakes out going into the conference season:

Excellent
St.John Fisher

Very Good
Utica

Good
RIT

Slightly Above Average
Ithaca
Naz
Alfred

The Rest
Hartwick
Elmira

This is relative to the conference, not the nation. I just don't think you can discount a team that just put it on a good Potsdam team by 38 points and handled a tough young St.Lawrence squad.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on December 11, 2005, 08:33:13 pm
OK guys just back home from visiting my sister and seeing Hartwick/Fitchburg and Oneonta/SJ.
Here is what I think.  Oneonta won the tournament and looks to be ok.  The Coffey kid is a solid player who needs screens to score but is a very good shooter.  Other than that not enough talent to win in the State league.  I can se why my Pioneers beat them double digits.
SJ is ok, need not worry about them.
Fitchburgh is ok, but nothing to write home about.

And that brings us to Hartwick.  I don't see the stuff that RTH is talking about.  They are getting better but are they going to beat good teams????  not sure about that.

Their bug guy is fat and slow ad guard play suspect.  But they seem to play together and are defintely more talented than a year ago.

I don't see them where RTH is but I don't think their as bad as Bomber thinks either.
Somewhere in the middle of those guys.

Go Pioneers!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 11, 2005, 10:00:35 pm
GB15,

I'm not prepared to include any team that is 2-5 in a list of "quality" teams.  Do I understand that every year Ithaca plays tough early-season competition, much better than what the rest of the E8 plays?  Yes.  Do I think they could be a contender for a playoff spot?  Yes, they could.  But it's going to take more than a win at home over Potsdam to prove it to me, especially after Potsdam lost again the next day.   

I probably should have left my list at 4 teams, instead of saying "possibly 5" and including Naz.  I think the Flyers have more talent than the Bombers, but they are also unproven .  We'll have a better idea around February.

Moving on, I'm pleasantly surprised by the performance of RIT so far.  Nice win over Oswego today, and if they beat Cortland on Tuesday they'll be on a serious roll going into winter break, with their only loss coming down to the last minute against 10th ranked WPI. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on December 14, 2005, 02:27:52 pm
Hartwick College Men's Basketball:
The Future Empire 8- Powerhouse


Coming to a Gym near you:

Friday, January 27 -->@RIT, 8pm
Saturday, January 28, --> @Nazareth, 4pm

Friday, February 3 --> @St John Fisher, 8pm
Saturday, February 4 --> @Alfred, 4pm

Friday, February 17, --> @Elmira, 8pm
Saturday, February 18, --> @Ithaca, 4pm*

Tuesday, February 21, --> @Utica, 8pm

* Free Pocahontas bobblehead dolls to the 100 first Ithaca fans. Back by popular demand thanks to Gobombers15.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 14, 2005, 02:44:11 pm
I think we can all agree that RTH is no longer being serious and is simply here for our own entertainment. I'd continue to make fun of him but I have more difficult things to do with my time, such as beating my three year-old cousin at Madden 2006 and then stealing all her toys.

Elsewhere, Cortland St defeats RIT on Tuesday night, 66-52. RIT center Tim Bacon has another big game with 19 points, 10 rebs and 2 blocks. Cortland uses a 23-3 run early in the 2nd half to pull away in a game they led most of the way. All of a sudden, Ithaca's 2-point loss to the Dragons at home doesn't seem too bad considering how Cortland handled RIT and Alfred.

Bamm, I understand why you didn't include Ithaca in your "quality teams" remark, but if your explanation that you can't call a 2-5 team "quality" then how do you call a 2-4 Naz team, who has only defeated one team(Pitt-Bradford) two times, a "quality team?" I think most would agree that both Potsdam and SLU are better teams than P-B...and that's not even considering the fact Ithaca won both those games by comfortable margins. I won't use the fact they only lost to Cortland by 2 or Roanoke by 4(on the road, no less) as evidence, but Ithaca isn't nearly as bad as most, especially RTH, are trying to depict them as.

I'd be very surprised if Ithaca doesn't have a winning record in conference play this year. That said, I'd be very surprised if Hartwick wins more than 1 or 2 conference games this year.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 14, 2005, 02:54:08 pm
GB15,

That's why, in my last post, I said:

I probably should have left my list at 4 teams, instead of saying "possibly 5" and including Naz.  I think the Flyers have more talent than the Bombers, but they are also unproven .  We'll have a better idea around February.

Cortland looked very good last night.  From the results we've seen so far this year, I have to think they are the favorites to win the SUNYAC. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 14, 2005, 02:58:38 pm
Feb 3rd.
Ooooooo.
RTH thanks for the laugh!! ;D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on December 14, 2005, 03:58:53 pm
RTH, I will make a bet with you if Hartwick beats fisher I will never say a bad thing about hartwick again in fact I will never post again if Hartwick can beat fisher.  But my guess is that the score to the hartwick fisher game will be similar to the football game in which fisher beat hartwick 70-40.  But if Hartwick loses do us all a favor and go away, at first you were funny, but now your just stupid, no wonder your a Hartwick fan
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 14, 2005, 10:10:16 pm
Bamm, fair enough. Hope you're having a fine time in the ROC with your lady friend. I should have never told her about facebook, she's an addict now.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 15, 2005, 10:44:58 am
Don't worry about it.  It's a chance for her to spy on old friends, gossip, and that sort of mischief.  She loves it.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 15, 2005, 01:48:41 pm
Feb 3rd.
Ooooooo.
RTH thanks for the laugh!! ;D


I agree.
Feb. 21
ooooo.
 :D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 15, 2005, 02:21:54 pm
Hey bud crew-
This year's fisher UC game(s) should be pretty good!
Going to see any?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 16, 2005, 09:44:49 am
Fisher's got a chance to make some noise for the E8 this weekend down in Virginia.  They play Lake Erie (6-1) on Saturday.  Win or lose, they will play either Lincoln (8-2) or Randolph-Macon (6-1) on Sunday.  Fisher, Lincoln, and RMC are all in the D3hoops.com top 25.  I'll actually be cheering for the Cardinals this weekend.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 16, 2005, 11:19:44 am
I tip my hat to ya bamm!
Hope they do the e8 proud!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 16, 2005, 11:42:59 am
Starting off, here's a press release about UC's Justin Cichon from the d3hoops.com's homepage.

http://d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=185

The Randolph-Macon tourney is actually Sunday and Monday. Weird, I know, but I'm assuming it's because no schools have classes or finals this week before Christmas. I did a very small amount of research on Lake Erie and, based on a bunch of scores against various common opponents(I know this can be fallacious, but there isn't much else to go on with this team), and if I had to make a comparison between them and an E8 team, I would compare Lake Erie to a poor-man's Alfred. They should be a decent squad but Fisher should handle them. Lake Erie is 6-1 but five of those wins are against teams with awful records. The other win came against 6-4 Bethany...not exactly sure, but I don't think they're a basketball superpower.

My prediction for the 1st round of the Randolph Macon Tourney:

Fisher over Lake Erie by 14.

Randolph Macon over Lincoln by 4.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 16, 2005, 12:49:38 pm
Hey bud crew-
This year's fisher UC game(s) should be pretty good!
Going to see any?

It's a possibility. It all depends on the weather and my work schedule... just because I don't have a sked in front of me... when is the Fisher -UC showdown at UC?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 16, 2005, 12:51:54 pm
Starting off, here's a press release about UC's Justin Cichon from the d3hoops.com's homepage.

http://d3hoops.com/pressreleases.php?release=185

The Randolph-Macon tourney is actually Sunday and Monday. Weird, I know, but I'm assuming it's because no schools have classes or finals this week before Christmas. I did a very small amount of research on Lake Erie and, based on a bunch of scores against various common opponents(I know this can be fallacious, but there isn't much else to go on with this team), and if I had to make a comparison between them and an E8 team, I would compare Lake Erie to a poor-man's Alfred. They should be a decent squad but Fisher should handle them. Lake Erie is 6-1 but five of those wins are against teams with awful records. The other win came against 6-4 Bethany...not exactly sure, but I don't think they're a basketball superpower.

My prediction for the 1st round of the Randolph Macon Tourney:

Fisher over Lake Erie by 14.

Randolph Macon over Lincoln by 4.



Thanks for that note on Justin. Pat C or anyone who might know... UC men's basketball was at a D-1 level for a few years in the 1980s when Larry Costello was coach. Do season, game or career records from those years count when talking about a player now passing on of those records?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 16, 2005, 02:10:56 pm
budcrew-
looks like the game is jan 6 at uc.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 16, 2005, 03:07:28 pm
That's fairly anti-climactic that Fisher plays at Utica in the first league game of the year.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on December 16, 2005, 03:19:28 pm
Fisher@Utica will be tight.The teams match pretty even in size, but not  sure on talent. I know they have some good players and they always play good on their home court. They also have a very good coach and I mean good.Playing at home gives Utica the edge. If Fisher plays defense the way they did last year,they will win a close one. I hope Fisher's defense is ready.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on December 17, 2005, 12:54:59 pm
Being around the UC program for years, I can honestly say this is the best UC team I have seen.

The attitude around the program is great. You can feel the winning atmosphere when you spend time near them. They are young, and will take time before they fully develop into the force that they can be.

The Freshmen and transfers are huge to this team. There are guys who started last year that are deep off the bench, and are just happy to be part of a winning program.

Herring at PG is a huge difference maker. The guy can shoot (7 3's against SUNYIT), throw it down, drive, pass, play great D, and is a quiet leader on the court. Probably the most athletic PG in the conference.

Bryant has been huge. His leadership and team play are amazing. He is truly a mature player who brings a lot more than his talent and athleticism (Which are great) to the table. Having a guy who is pretty much a guard at 6'5 has been a big help in adjusting to life without Tim Troy.

Cichon is poised for a great year. The team has 4-6 guys in double figures every night. Teams can no longer focus on Justin as there are so many scoring options. His passing has actually improved.

I could spend a great deal of time on every player on the roster. There are no weak links. With Lighthall, Lucas, and Brown down low, teams can plan on getting beat up. They may not be the tallest, but they play big. The fact that Lucas can play like a guard as well makes him even more dangerous.

When Brown was out at Caz, the freshmen Fleming got the start. After seeing limited time in the previous games, he scored 17.

Having Collier, Munch, Bitetto, Lucas, Fleming, and others on the bench makes this the deepest Utica team in years.

The team lacks in height, but makes up for it in athleticism, attitude, speed, hustle, and in my opinion, is by far the best passing team in the conference. They have an absurd percentage of assists to field goals.

The early season games against top teams in the league will be a great test. However, it is at the end of the season when this young team puts it all together, when this team will show what it can really do.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 17, 2005, 01:21:39 pm
UCgrad, thanks for the thorough report on the Pioneers. We all know about Cichon and his accomplishments, but you did a nice job covering some of the unheralded role players that make the team tick. I think Utica is locked into the #2 position in the E8.

However, if the Pioneers want to make "the leap" and challenge Fisher for the conference title, they need to learn how to win on the road. We all know UC is an elite home team; they gave Fisher a battle in the last conference game of the season in Utica. Unfortunately, they've looked like garbage on the road. They lost to Fisher by about 30 in Pittsford and never seem to beat RIT in Rochester, either. The Pioneers' last two trips to the South Hill to play IC have left a lot to be desired.

My point is this: Utica will be a very good team and an opponent will have to play a near-perfect game in Utica to beat them, but that doesn't matter if they are a .500 team on the road. Fisher isn't losing more than one or two conference games this season so unless Utica becomes a good road team, I think most E8 fans can plan on spending the E8 Tournament weekend in Pittsford for the third straight year.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on December 17, 2005, 02:45:51 pm
Bombers,

   Thanks for the reply.

The Road issue is one that is being stressed by coach Goodemote this season. To date UC is 4-1 on the road.

It isn't so much winning on the road that is the problem, it is winning in Rochester. There seems to be a different style of officiating and play there. It often times is frustrating to teams from out of the area.

Thats why UC is going to be fighting hard to host the tournament this year. Two seasons ago at this point the goal was to host, last year at this point it was to make the E8 tournament, this year it is again to host.

Either way, with the team structure entirely different than past seasons, I think it is to early to make judgement on how they will be over the course of the season on the road.




On another topic, I see a lot on here about Hartwick with views on the team from both extremes.  After talking with other coaches and observing who they have played, I can honestly say that Hartwick is a much improved team that plays hard every game and will make you work.
That being said, they are a very young team with a lot of room for improvement. They are not yet to the level of a top 5 team in the conference, and probably no better than 7th or 8th. A few years down the line they may be contending for the 4th spot in the E8 tourny, depending on what happens in recruiting and transfers with the other teams.
However, dont be surprised if late in the season, they play spoiler to a team or two hoping to either make the conference tournament or fight for seeding in the tournament.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 17, 2005, 03:24:57 pm
UCgrad, it will be interesting to see how the conference shakes out if Utica is a successful road team this season. Despite being a native Rochesterian, I never had the opportunity to see D3 games in the area until last year when I was done with college and taking a year off before grad school. I can't really make any statements about the officials in the area other than they are typical D3 refs and tend to be, um, below average.

I do agree with you that the Rochester teams tend to get more home calls than the other squads. Before there's an upheaval, I'll explain myself. McVean and Kornaker are well-respected coaches. Well-respected coaches tend to get calls with referees with whom they are familiar. I can remember many instances where I was sitting in Ithaca's gym, turned to a friend and asked if we could get a call...one call! It felt like we were the visitors at home! Like Coach K of Duke, Kornaker is a master at working the officials. He starts early and keeps it going all game. He will battle for every call and if I were one of his players I'd appreciate that as much as his players surely do.

This, however, has no bearing on the fact that RIT and Fisher are consistently very good basketball teams coached by very good coaches. In no way, shape or form am I saying officials are the reason for their successes; these teams would be good no matter who was reffing. All I'm saying is I do see where UCgrad is coming from about the relative style difference between the central NY refs and the Rochester-area officials.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on December 17, 2005, 05:12:22 pm
UC grad. Lets leave the refs out of this.Last
year Fisher won in  the last few seconds of the game by defense. I was at the game nd UC had a chance for last shot and  had the ball stolen,refs had nothing to do with it. The home team always gets the calls. So do'nt blame the refs for UC's loses yet. I think the game at UC will be close.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 17, 2005, 05:42:02 pm
Damn, and I thought we were going to make it through Christmas break without hearing from any obnoxious Fisher students. 

The UC poster made no mention of any specific game.  In your Fisher-centric arrogance, you just assumed he was talking about your school. 

Can we lay off the new posters who have something sensible to say, please?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Hawk Backer on December 17, 2005, 07:11:03 pm
Lake Erie is better than a lot of people think around here.

I am calling for the upset.  I don't think Fisher can stay with Richardson, Wasthington and Williams.  Not even mentioning Harris, who was conference preseason POY.

They've also beaten D2 Edinboro this season, after Edinboro made the NCAA Tournament a year ago.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 17, 2005, 08:55:11 pm
Lake Erie is better than a lot of people think around here.

I am calling for the upset. I don't think Fisher can stay with Richardson, Wasthington and Williams. Not even mentioning Harris, who was conference preseason POY.

They've also beaten D2 Edinboro this season, after Edinboro made the NCAA Tournament a year ago.

After what happened in their first game of the year, don't expect Fisher to take any team lightly. Lake Erie has played nobody and, regardless of their statistics, have yet to step on the court with a team the caliber of Fisher. I can't see Lake Erie being any better than Alfred, really.

And, thanks, but I'll take O'Brien, Auman, McGee and Beigel against whatever hacks you just mentioned.

Ricco, I don't think the UCgrad mentioned any particular game or school where the officiating was tremendously he awful. He just said the game is reffed differently in Rochester...he could be referring to RIT, Naz or Fisher. Let's not run off a poster who actually has an intelligent opinion and has a grasp on the English language...two things RTH has none of.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Hawk Backer on December 17, 2005, 09:08:14 pm
First of all, re-read the post.  I never said Fisher was going to take them lightly.  I said Lake Erie is better than people think. 

And to be honest, a D2 program that went to the tournament last year and lost to D1 Penn State by only 13 is, I would say, "as good" as Fisher and would not be the equivalent of "nobody".

I'm not saying Lake Erie is going to dominate.  Never did.  I simply stated that I believe they can, and will, pull the upset on a neutral floor.

We will see how "the hacks" fair.

PS- Without looking, do you even know where Lake Erie College is located?  I would guess not.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 17, 2005, 09:49:15 pm
Yes, in Ohio.

I visited at Case Western Law after I had to evacuate from New Orleans and Tulane Law. One kid in one of my classes went to Lake Erie and, yes, he was a moron.

Eat it.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Hawk Backer on December 17, 2005, 10:00:18 pm
Did I say they were smart?

I said they could play ball.

And please respond to the rest of my post.  Thank you.

PS- The fact that you are in law school really does impress me.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 17, 2005, 10:22:28 pm
First off, friend, do I care if the fact I'm a law school student impresses you? Nope. As a general rule, do I care what any Hartwick grad or "Hawk backer" cares about me? That's a negativo. But since all you Hartwick grads have a different definition of the word "fact," I'll indulge you with this analysis:

-Combined record of Lake Erie's D3 opponents: 19-31(and that's including 6-4 Bethany)

-Combined winning percentage of Lake Erie's D3 opponents: .380

-Lake Erie lost to 4-5 Capital...usually a good team, but experiencing a down year yet still easily took care of Lake Erie

-Lake Erie D3 wins: Kenyon(who?), Mt.Union(this ain't football), Medaille(oooooh), Hilbert(huh?), Bethany(she sounds cute). I guess what I'm saying is they haven't exactly taken on the "who's who" of D3, if you will.

-Now, to the much-ballyhooed, stop-the-presses, front-page news victory over Edinboro. To you, I say this: who cares what they did last year? It's not last year, it's this year. I don't care if Edinboro made the tourney LAST YEAR, I don't care if they lost to Penn State by "only" 13 points LAST YEAR. By the way, is that the same Penn St team that got their asses tanned at Pitt by 37 points(ouch!)? Or is it the same Penn St team that won't even win 4 games in the Big Eleven this year? Sure, it's a decent win for Lake Erie, but I think Fisher can beat some D2 teams, and good ones at that.

I'm not knocking Lake Erie. I did say they haven't really played anyone and, considering what I've shown, I stand by that statement. I said Fisher would win by about 11-15 points. That's not a drubbing, bud. That could mean Fisher is up six most of the way then just hits foul-shots. Calm yourself, broseph.

My question is this: why all the venom towards Fisher and their fans from Hartwick fans? Don't you have smaller fish to fry...like Elmira! Elmira's the reason you can't get out of the basement, maybe you should hate on them for a little while and stop trying to get little victories over Fisher potentially losing games.

In the words of B-Rad from Malibu's Most Wanted, "Don't Hate!"

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Hawk Backer on December 17, 2005, 11:08:12 pm
Check your facts.  I could give two SH*TS about Hartwick.  I'm not even a fan of the conference.

I graduated from a high D1 school that is a Tier 1 college in Upstate NY.  I would venture to guess it's a bit better than Hartwick College.  There are a few of my fellow classmates in both the NBA and NFL, so I'm pretty sure you can figure out the school.

Second...  Penn State would beat St. John Fisher by the same margin it beat Edinboro by.  If not more.  Take that one to the bank.

Thirdly... Who has Fisher beat this year?  And if you wanna actually argue, their schedule was pretty weak last year, too.  They lost to the only good team that they faced (Baldwin-Wallace), beat a bad Delaware Valley team, a Hobart team without their best player (Colby Feane, who was still playing football) and two SUNYAC schools: Fredonia, the doormat of the conference, and Geneseo, who isn't exactly knocking down any doors at 1-6.

Combined record of St. John Fisher's opponents: 16-25 (including 8-1 Baldwin-Wallace)

Winning percentage: .390

And Bethany beat Wheeling Jesuit, a D2 school, so scoff at that win all you'd like, but I'd like to believe it is at the very least comparable to the Cardinals drubbing of Geneseo State.

And finally, Mr. bomber.  I never said anything bad about St. John Fisher.  If you will read the post that I made on the AMCC board and re-read everything that I've said here, I state that they have proven to be one of the top D3 teams in the northeast and have said that Lake Erie was better than people thought around here and could, and I think will, pull the upset.

While the jury may still be out on both of these teams, the jury has reached a verdict in this case.  Keep working, though.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 18, 2005, 12:53:49 am
Please, you have proven nothing other than you put too much stock in D3 teams beating D2 teams. In several instances, D3 teams ARE better than D2 teams.

Secondly, don't change my argument. My argument was that Lake Erie really hasn't beaten anyone. Fact. My argument was NOT that Lake Erie hasn't beaten anyone BUT Fisher has beaten teams. I know Fisher hasn't played anyone yet. You find me one place where I said Fisher has played a tough schedule. You'll be looking all night. There goes the main argument of your last post. However, I commend you for your attempt at twisting my words...you sure you're not a law school grad yourself?

My final prediction:

Fisher    78
Lake Minnetonka 65

Ok, no more defending Fisher, where's JoshReed when you need him. I think I just threw-up in my mouth twice...thinking about defending Fisher AND hoping for a JoshReed comeback.

But HawkBacker, if you care to continue this intellectual rock fight, I'd more than oblige. Got anymore "Team X beat a D2 team therefore they'll beat Fisher" logical masterpieces for us?

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on December 18, 2005, 09:32:15 am
Damn, and I thought we were going to make it through Christmas break without hearing from any obnoxious Fisher students. 

The UC poster made no mention of any specific game.  In your Fisher-centric arrogance, you just assumed he was talking about your school. 

Can we lay off the new posters who have something sensible to say, please?

Thank you bamm.

Ricco, all I said was that there was a different style of officiating in Rochester. I actually have friends on Fisher who won't deny that in Rochester, the non-rochester teams need to play a perfect game to win because they will not get a single call.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on December 18, 2005, 09:44:44 am
Quote
Bethany(she sounds cute).

That made me spit coffee onto my monitor.


Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on December 18, 2005, 09:52:41 am
Utica is that good this year.  I agree with you Utica man.  As a long time fan of this crew this is the best team they have ever had in D-3.  I am looking forward to the season.  Go UTICA!

As an aside this Hawk thing sure is picking up steam.  Listen as I said, I saw them scrimmage Suny IT and then play in their tournament and they are much improved.  I don't know Bomber buddy, they may get you this year!!!!

And the REF's in Rochester suck.  You have to be 15 pts better than any of theose 3 Rochester schools to win a game.  That is a fact.

Later
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 18, 2005, 10:04:01 am
Utica is that good this year. I agree with you Utica man. As a long time fan of this crew this is the best team they have ever had in D-3. I am looking forward to the season. Go UTICA!

As an aside this Hawk thing sure is picking up steam. Listen as I said, I saw them scrimmage Suny IT and then play in their tournament and they are much improved. I don't know Bomber buddy, they may get you this year!!!!

And the REF's in Rochester suck. You have to be 15 pts better than any of theose 3 Rochester schools to win a game. That is a fact.

Later

They may be "improved" but I'm not sure they're on the level of even an Ithaca yet. I'll take my chances with Bellis/Andruskiewicz/Whetstone as well as a nice, improving young core of players like Stahn, Joe, Burton, and Scanlon.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 18, 2005, 11:57:24 am
Fellas, I don't want you to think I harbor some irrational hatred for Hartwick College. Sure, I think RTH is the biggest space cadet since JoshReed, but I understand every school has a few bad apples and I don't hold it against the school or team.

Here's why I say Hartwick will be a two-win team, at best, in the conference:

0-8 before they even play their first conference game

I think we all agree that Hartwick will get swept by Fisher, Utica, Alfred, and RIT. They don't have the talent to hang with these teams. Sure, they may play one of them the close for a half at home(and we'll hear about it all season from RTH), but they don't have enough to beat those four teams.

Young teams struggle on the road

They won't beat Ithaca in The Bulb, I don't care what anyone says. Ithaca dominates them on the South Hill. Naz is also too good to let Hartwick come into their gym and take them, despite Naz coach Mike Daley's best efforts(I think he's a pretty bad coach). We're at 0-10 now.

Four winnable games

That leaves us with these four games: vs Ithaca, vs Naz, @Elmira, vs Elmira. As much as we talk about them passing Elmira, when's the last time they actually beat Elmira? Definitely not in the last two years. Elmira probably thinks the games against Hartwick are some of their better chances to win games.

For the sake of argument, let's give Hartwick a split of those two games(something that isn't guaranteed). They're now 1-11.

That leaves us with two games; vs Ithaca, vs Naz. Both teams are pretty poor road teams but I honestly just don't see Ithaca losing to Hartwick. Call it bias, I don't care. Naz is young, but plays hard and they'll need that game at Hartwick to stay in contention for the E8 tournament.
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That, my friends, is why I don't look for much from Hartwick this season. It's not because I think Oneonta is a disgusting city(which I do). It's not because I hate Hartwick college, because I don't. It's gonna be a tough road for Hartwick. If they can keep this core together they may be pushing for a E8 tourney berth when they're all seniors, just like Alfred will be doing this year. Alfred got pummeled when guys like Hallett, LeMasters, Stein, et al., were all underclassmen. But they kept their team together and will be a strong, experienced squad this year. Hartwick may do the same thing, but it won't be this year.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 18, 2005, 12:47:33 pm

And the REF's in Rochester suck. You have to be 15 pts better than any of theose 3 Rochester schools to win a game. That is a fact.

Later

I think D3 refs everywhere are not good, not just in Rochester. Utica is 5-16 vs the three Rochester teams since '02-'03, that's more than reffing.

Good luck to Fisher this weekend at the R-MC tournament. Gotta support the conference.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on December 18, 2005, 01:47:34 pm
Fisher 26 Lake Erie 18. McGee high with (
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on December 18, 2005, 02:53:19 pm
Good luck too all conference teams over the holidays!!!!!!


Bomber I do hear ya buddy but you are sticking neck out there about Hartwick.  Don't let RTH get to you - he is defintely over the top about this team.  I will say one big difference between Alfred and Hartwick is the coaching.  If Hartwick keeps its nucleus together I don't think it takes them until seniors to win.  That is where coaching comes in and I think they are very well coached. 

It will be a fun year.  Of course I think Utica beats them by 20!!!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: GPT on December 18, 2005, 04:43:57 pm
Just for the record all the refs that do DIII games. Also do DI and DII Games.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 18, 2005, 06:17:50 pm
Obviously D-III Hoops user interface must be difficult.  They have the score reversed.  St. Lawrence 70, Ithaca 61.

Nope, not difficult at all. Just requires reading. I think sometimes schools assume they will be on the bottom or on the top box when it's always away team on top, home on the bottom. But it couldn't be easier -- two teams, two boxes for a score to be punched in.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on December 18, 2005, 07:09:03 pm
Fisher by 2, 57-55 over Lake Erie. Fisher was up by as much as 13 in the 2nd half but let Lake Erie back into it. Still nice to see a win against a quality team.

As far as the refs in the Rochester area being better or worse than refs from other areas I will say this, I agree with what I believe the original post was trying to say, the refs are not better or worse than other areas just much different.
I am not sure about them being so one sided that you have to be 15 points better to beat a rochester area team. I think Fisher and RIT being 2 of the stronger teams in the conference for the past several years has something to do with all the poor records from other teams playing in Rochester.

I know teams, all teams, struggle to win at fisher (have not lost a home game in 3 years), but I think many factors contribute to that, like having the best talent, having a strong fan base, and every other advantage that comes with playing at home.

One more thing, I hope one Fisher fans posts do not ruin it for all of us and create a situation where everyone hates Fisher, which tends to be the case. A few bad eggs just kill it for the Fisher fans I know, which are pretty dedicated, reasonable, and all around good fans.  I know I have wanted to get on here and tell some of em to stop.

GO FISHER...win a big one tomorrow against a good Randy Macoun team
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 18, 2005, 10:00:51 pm
Let's put an end to this crap about the refs being different in Rochester or somehow being biased towards Rochester schools.  We all know that referees can be influenced by the crowd, and sometimes home teams benefit from that influence.  Second, the reason the Rochester schools (Fisher, Naz, RIT) have been very good at home over the last 6 or 7 years is because they've had the best teams.  Take a look at the recent history of the All-Conference teams, it's pretty simple.  The only team outside of Rochester that has been as consistent is Ithaca.  Stop the conspiracy crap, it's boring.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 19, 2005, 07:25:58 am
Good win for the alma mater.
Bring another one home!
Gobombers- thanks for your unwitting defense of fisher against Hawkbacker.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 19, 2005, 11:43:12 am
Fisher at R-MC tonight at 6pm.

However, for those who feel like listening to the game, it will be simulcasted on tape delay at 8pm. Here's the link for those who feel like listening:

www.wysl1040.com

I listened a bit yesterday and the Fisher broadcaster(he does games alone) is pretty good. He was a lot better than I expected for a D3 broadcaster. Not the obnoxious homer that many in that profession tend to be at this level(see: Naz broadcasters). You can definitely hear in his voice when Fisher is doing well but he gives the opponents their due praise when it's warranted. Also, he's not afraid to make criticisms of Fisher when he has to.

If Fisher wins it'd be a huge win for the conference and could potentially help another E8 team to slip into the tourney, provided said team has a good enough record to get consideration.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 19, 2005, 11:45:56 am
Go Fisher,
But if they do lose-does that drop them out of the top 25?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Hawk Backer on December 19, 2005, 12:24:01 pm
Just wanted to come on and eat the proverbial crow.  I pumped up Lake Erie to win, and although they did not play bad, they did not play well enough to be a nationally-ranked squad.

Good luck this season.  With the addition of Bennett for the second half and the way Beigel stepped up yesterday, your team will be much better by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 19, 2005, 12:47:22 pm
Fisheralum -

I think that depends on the manner of the loss.  If they get blown out, then yes, I think they'll fall out.  If it's a tight loss then I suspect they will fall a few spots to 24 or 25.  The pollsters here are generally reasonable, and a loss on the road to the #11 team isn't a reputation-crusher. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 19, 2005, 01:09:17 pm
Fisheralum--unless they lose by less than 5, I think they drop out. At this stage of the season pollsters tend to take a quick glance at records and then fill out their forms. Fisher will be 5-2 if they lose with a 1-2 record against teams with winning records. After what happened against Potsdam last year, I think people are going to be skeptical of Fisher.

That said, the top 25 doesn't matter right now. Ithaca was ranked #7 at one point this year in football...needless to say, they didn't finish close to that. If Fisher reels off a nice winning streak they'll be right back in it. Fisher should just worry about beating teams in the conference and they'll be fine.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 19, 2005, 02:10:08 pm
Polls are overrated.  However the limelight that they show for conferences is good.  Fisher dropped places last week even without a loss!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on December 19, 2005, 06:08:20 pm
I have a hard time getting into the polls. Of course I love it when Fisher is ranked high(like 7th) but they really don't prove much. I still don't unterstand how Fisher, with one loss to a top 20 team (although not top 25 at the time)can drop from 7th to 20th in a few weeks.
Having said all that, I really don't think Fisher is the 7th best team in the country.
It just seems strange that one loss by 9 points to a very good team is enough to drop a team 13 spots in the poll.

Oh well...go Cards
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 19, 2005, 06:58:44 pm
I have a hard time getting into the polls. Of course I love it when Fisher is ranked high(like 7th) but they really don't prove much. I still don't unterstand how Fisher, with one loss to a top 20 team (although not top 25 at the time)can drop from 7th to 20th in a few weeks.
Having said all that, I really don't think Fisher is the 7th best team in the country.
It just seems strange that one loss by 9 points to a very good team is enough to drop a team 13 spots in the poll.

Oh well...go Cards

Like I said, pollsters take a glance at their records then fill out their forms(or, in some cases, delegate the job to an assistant or SID). They probably saw Fisher at 4-1 while many other teams had played 8 or 9 games at that point...the result, a lower ranking for Fisher. Fisher won both their games that week and still fell. Bottom line, polls aren't that important. Fisher just needs a good ranking when the first regional poll comes out.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on December 19, 2005, 07:11:54 pm
Fisher 32 macon-30  Half
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on December 19, 2005, 07:13:45 pm
Justin Beigel high with 10 points
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on December 19, 2005, 08:09:30 pm

Fisher losses by 7
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: 78rmc on December 19, 2005, 09:32:10 pm
Enjoyed watching the Fisher team at R-MC.  We were lucky to win against a quality team.  Fisher was a well coached and very disciplined team.  I think that Fisher outplayed us for most of the game, with RMC tough at the end, could have gone either way.  Will be pulling for you guys for the rest of the season.  I'm a fan of your program from what I saw this weekend at RMC.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 19, 2005, 10:00:02 pm
Wow, just listened to the game and it sounded like the refs called a terrible technical on Kornaker. Down 3, Gillett had a shot at a layup and there was contact but no call. There was a loose-ball which apparently Fisher had but the refs called a jump-ball, arrow to R-MC. Timeout on the floor and Kornaker was expressing his displeasure with the call and the ref was apparently waiting to him with the tech and he did. That was the game.

I know how I said the Fisher radio guy isn't much of a homer but he spent the last 5 minutes of his broadcast venting about how horrid the officiating was, and how the ref was just looking to give Kornaker a "T." To paraphrase, he essentially said the ref who gave the technical as the type of ref "who wants to be the difference in the game." I was kinda half-assedly listening to the game so I can't really make an opinion, but I give you this stat: R-MC takes 29 FT's, Fisher takes 10. You make your own inferences about that.

Either way, good game by both R-MC and Fisher. 78RMC, can you tell us about what happened there in the last sequence? You were there, I trust your word. Hopefully this gives Fisher a little more respect nationally and people won't be hating on the East so badly.

Congrats to Fisher and R-MC. Sounded like an NCAA game in the middle of December.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: 78rmc on December 19, 2005, 11:16:07 pm
Yeah, very unfortunate call by the ref during a critical time in the game.  I did not want to see the game tainted by the call and wished it had not happened.  From my vantage point, it did not visually look like much, but I could not hear what happened.  The action leading up to the timeout was a missed layup that hit the bottom of the rim, with two players holding the ball as they both fell out of bounds.  I thought it was a good held ball call. 

The game was very defensive with both teams shooting poorly.  The difference being Fisher not hitting the 3s in the second half.  RMC missed a lot of FTs.  Watching the game, it did not seem that the foul calls were one sided and fairly even.  However the stats proved otherwise.  I would say that RMC was quicker and thus caused more fouls by Fisher, plus Fisher is a more physical team.  RMC has a physical lineup available, but Coach seem to go with a quicker and smaller lineup in the second half. Such as using Dixon over Hawley and Carlson over Krovic for long stretchs during the second half.

Would love to see a rematch.  Fisher will do well this season and we're fortunate to have won. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 20, 2005, 11:51:45 am
Just to prove we never know what the pollsters are doing, Fisher rises two spots to #18 with their weekend split at the R-MC tournament. I'm sure Fisher's performance bumped them up a couple notches in the eyes of the voters in that area. UR is at #20 and hopefully the Jackets and Fisher will actually play in the Chase this year. RIT ruined the opportunity of that happening last year.

Utica guys, can any of you answer my earlier question(three weeks ago) of what happened to Willie Lucas last season? He was playing early on then, all of a sudden, he was gone. He wasn't even on the roster. He definitely could have helped the Pioneers last season.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 20, 2005, 12:07:56 pm
For us Rochesterians, early guess at the Chase seedings:

1-Fisher
2-UR
3-RIT
4-Brockport
5-Roberts
6-Keuka
7-Naz
8-Geneseo
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 20, 2005, 12:17:00 pm
GB15 -- I'm pretty sure last night's game was not considered in this week's Top 25.  My guess is that even if some voters got their ballots in late enough, most were in before the 6 o'clock tip-off.  I reserve the right to be wrong, though.

Ah, yes, the Chase.  I'm feeling too lazy today to look it up, so does anyone know where the finals are this year?  And am I the only one who dreads getting packed in like sardines if it's at Naz, Fisher, or UR?

Some important games will be played between participants before the seedings come out... RIT v. UR for one. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on December 20, 2005, 03:05:31 pm
I listened to yhe game










I listened to the fisher game via Macons stream . The game was being broadcasted by Macon. What happened was Macon's shot clock was running out and they were forced to shoot with seconds left. Fisher got the rebound and went down court and scored. The shot clock horn went off andthe ref waves off the Fisher score and had a meeting and called it a jumpball. Fisher called a time out and for some reason got the tech.
The ref's put 1.9 seconds on the clock and macon got the ball back because of the arrow. They also got 4 shots from the line plus the ball back. Even the anouncers from macon couldn't beleave the call.They thougt Fisher got a bad deal.








Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 20, 2005, 03:40:11 pm
Thanks, Ricco. However, I was referring to the sequence at the end of the 2nd half that led to Kornaker's technical. But you're right, it sounded like the refs butchered the end of the 1st half, as well.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: 78rmc on December 20, 2005, 04:31:44 pm
Ricco1, you're combining two separate events.  What you described happened at the end of the first half.  The tech was at the end of the game.  What happened at the end of the first half was an air ball by RMC as the shot clock sounded and there was an inadvertant whistle by the refs.  Most of the players stopped with the Fisher guy with the ball continue play running the court for a layup.  Jump ball with arrow to RMC.  But it was another blown call by refs as was the tech at the end of the game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on December 20, 2005, 04:50:56 pm
78rmc, Thank you for correcting me.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 21, 2005, 08:15:46 am
Fisher lost to a good team.
Let's move on.
I am really tired of hearing how the refs screwed someone!
Play well enough to keep the game out of the officicals hands!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on December 21, 2005, 12:25:37 pm
Any predictions on who will win the Chase tourny? Who will be in the finals? Any possible upsets or suprises?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 21, 2005, 01:42:46 pm
A rochester area college. ;D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 21, 2005, 03:04:31 pm
Any predictions on who will win the Chase tourny? Who will be in the finals? Any possible upsets or suprises?

Always have to be aware of Roberts Wesleyan, they tend to be the wild card in that tournament. You really never know what you're gonna get with them. I'd say it shakes out like this:

Favorites
Fisher- Bennett should be in game shape and back in the starting lineup by then for the defending champs.

Rochester- I think these guys are dying for a shot at Fisher after spending all of last year in the Cards' shadow despite making it to the National Championship game.

Darkhorse
Brockport- May have as many as three new players on their team by then, and they're all good ones. Their high-pressure style may give some teams a hard time.

Puncher's Chance
RIT- Can be very tough some nights. Had the benefit of playing last year's semis at home against UR. I'm pretty sure they won't have any home games at Clark Gym in this year's tournament. Still, a well-coached team that has played tough teams early on and will be ready for the squads in this tournament.

Long Shot
Roberts Wesleyan- Probably have the best player in the tournament in former McQuaid star Alfonzo Evans. They're a pretty good bet to upset somebody in this tournament. Is this the year they can put three wins together? I doubt it, but there's always a possibility.

Better, But Not This Year
Naz- Will be a major player in the Chase in the next year or two...not this year, though.

Keuka- Good early-season record. Too bad they haven't beaten anyone that great.

We Have Some Lovely Parting Gifts Backstage
Geneseo- Book your tickets to see them in the 7th place game.


Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 21, 2005, 03:14:19 pm
Something funny for all of the board except for RTH and Hawk Backer, who I think are the same person...

In the Dec. 21 edition of The (Oneonta) Daily Star, it said that Hartwick's 5-3 start is its best since 1995!

That's pretty sad. Also, I would like to know the last time Hartwick had a winning conference record.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Hawk Backer on December 21, 2005, 04:04:05 pm
When have I said anything about Hartwick College in my life? 

I could not even tell you their best player.

I'm an Allegheny Mountain Collegiate Conference fan, and in case you aren't aware, there is a team in the AMCC with the same nickname as Hartwick.

Go figure.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 21, 2005, 04:12:39 pm
Budcrew, I think HawkBacker is a Hilbert fan. He and RTH are definitely two different people.

That said, Hartwick is still a pretty sad squad. For 5-3 to be the best start since 1995 gives you an indication of how horrendous they've been of late. Speaking of the Boys of Hawkville, they are in Vegas tonight and tomorrow for a tournament with Benedict, Defiance and Hood.

I wonder if RTH is there on the strip giving all the passers-by flyers about Hartwick. People would grab them expecting to see an advertisement for a strip club but, instead, they'd get to read about the top ten similarities between Hartwick Men's Basketball and the Roman Empire. That would be priceless to see.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 21, 2005, 08:04:49 pm
Hartwick loses their 1st round game in the Desert Classic to Benedictine(Ill.) by the score of 59-55. Hartwick(5-4) was led by Brown and Cocoziello who both scored 15. Benedictine improves to 5-3.

Hartwick will play the loser of the Defiance/Hood game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 22, 2005, 11:11:09 am
Are the matchups ready for the chase?
If so what are they?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 22, 2005, 11:16:41 am
Not quite.  They come out the weekend before the tourney starts.  I don't even know the venues this year.

GB15 -- that list looks pretty reasonable.  Some early January games are the only thing that would change it. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 22, 2005, 05:12:48 pm
Hartwick defeats Hood, 69-64. The Hawks(6-4) win the consolation game of the D3 Desert Classic in Las Vegas, NV. Hartwick returns to action on January 4th where they begin the Varsity potion of their schedule, hosting Cortland State, a team who has yet to be defeated by an E8 opponent. That drubbing should prepare them for what awaits that weekend when Fisher and Alfred pay the Hawks a visit during opening weekend of E8 play.

Alright, Hartwick has 6 wins right now. Over/Under on their win total is 8.5. What do people think, can Hartwick get to 9 wins?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on December 22, 2005, 05:59:25 pm
I will take the over on that but not by much.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 23, 2005, 07:52:48 am
Why all the wick talk?
I mean really!
We are talking about a very ho hum team!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 23, 2005, 11:54:13 am
Hartwick defeats Hood, 69-64. The Hawks(6-4) win the consolation game of the D3 Desert Classic in Las Vegas, NV. Hartwick returns to action on January 4th where they begin the Varsity potion of their schedule, hosting Cortland State, a team who has yet to be defeated by an E8 opponent. That drubbing should prepare them for what awaits that weekend when Fisher and Alfred pay the Hawks a visit during opening weekend of E8 play.

Alright, Hartwick has 6 wins right now. Over/Under on their win total is 8.5. What do people think, can Hartwick get to 9 wins?


Here's where Hartwick's season goes down the *******:
Jan. 4 Cortland
Jan. 6 Alfred
Jan. 7 Fisher
Jan. 13 UC
Jan. 20 IC
Jan. 21 Elmira
Jan. 27 UR
Jan. 28 Nazareth
Feb. 3 Fisher
Feb. 4 Alfred

I could see them losing 9 of 10 in this list, and if Elmira can pull off the upset, they could lose all 10.

they would go from 6-4 to possible 7-13 or 7-14, very easily and quickly.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on December 23, 2005, 10:47:21 pm
Too much talk about Hartwick. 
My opinion is they get 13 wins this year.
But the boys from Utica get 19!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go boys go!

have a great xmas everybody
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 24, 2005, 11:19:58 am
Too much talk about Hartwick. 
My opinion is they get 13 wins this year.
But the boys from Utica get 19!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go boys go!

have a great xmas everybody

13? How do you figure that, clear?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 24, 2005, 08:51:50 pm
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all the E8 posters, including RTH. I hope everyone has a good one. Should be a fun next two months.

Take care.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 27, 2005, 10:00:18 am
So let's get some chat goin about the Chase.
How is UR this year?
They tired of being an afterthought in Roch?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 27, 2005, 08:16:19 pm
I haven't seen UR play, but you can rest assured that they are a good squad.  They have 2 losses on the year, by one point to 8-1 Wittenburg (#3 in the d3hoops top 25) and by two to undefeated Carnegie Mellon (#23).

They still have Onyurika, who might be the biggest post player in the tourney, and Mike Goia is back after missing last year with a broken hand (I think).  They are solid.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 27, 2005, 10:04:47 pm
I have to agree with Bamm. UR is always tough and this year is no different. The loss of Hauben obviously hurts, but Onyiruka is a stud and Neer always gets the most out of his club. The role players are what make that team go.

If Rother had played a full season up until now, I'd say he's right on par with Onyiruka. I saw him go toe-to-toe with former E8 POY Ty Schultz when Ty was a senior and Rother was a freshman or a soph. Rother is very athletic, tenacious in the post and finishes well around the hoop. I think he should be back by the Chase so we may see them go head-to-head in the tourney.

In other Chase-related news, to give you an idea about how all over the spectrum Roberts Wesleyan is, consider this: The other night, Brockport started the game on a 21-0 run(yes, you read that correctly). However, Roberts came back and actually TOOK THE LEAD in the first half. They still lost by 13 points, but that should give you some idea of how awful they can look at times, and how dangerous they are when they're on.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 27, 2005, 10:17:47 pm
Also, since Fisher has only eight home games this year (seven of which are conference games), don't be surprised if you see some Chase games at their gym. Only Hobart would play at Fisher this year. I'd like to see some of the stronger teams in the region step-up and at least play some home-and-home's with Cards. I don't think 'Port and UR really want to play at Fisher, which is a shame.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 28, 2005, 07:19:29 am
Would you want to play in that high school gym?
I mean really- I am an alum and avid fan but the "varsity gym" is a joke.
Cozy- my ass it is a pit and should have been one of the first priorities instead of building another dorm.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bports on December 28, 2005, 10:44:36 am
Go bombers i usally agree with most of your posts but not your last post. Brockport goes on the road year after year and plays the BEST competition. They are going to play #10 york at york, they are going down to DC to play in #25 catholics tourney. In the last few years they have played the best on the road, at william patterson, at calvin, at NYU all of which were nationally ranked. They have played fisher for at least the last 5 years. This year fisher was scheduled to play at Bport but for some reason fishers athletic department called before the season and said they would not be able to play that game. Whitmore has never got a return home game with any of those schools i mentioed but he continues to schedule the BEST.  Whitmore realizes you tourney ready by playing the best not by playing cazenovia,keuka, medaille.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 28, 2005, 11:07:22 am
wow bports,
Calm down!
Sheesh- it will all shake itself out at the chase!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bports on December 28, 2005, 11:10:17 am
Brockport also only has 8 home games this year and 18 away from home. Brockport also played otterbein in ohio a few years ago after otterbein won a natl title. Also bport and fisher have played every year since 1998 until this year.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 28, 2005, 12:37:51 pm
bports,

First of all, the tournaments don't help you if you lose every game.  You have to have a solid squad to start with.  Sometimes Brockport does, other times they don't. 

This argument gets thrown around by division one talking heads all the time.  Scheduling elite teams outside of league play helps them because of the at-large bids in their tournament and the factor that SOS plays into that. 

Brockport somehow got an at-large bid in 2004, despite losing every tough out-of-league game they scheduled (Otterbein, St. Thomas, Rochester).  The committee probably realized their mistake when Brockport got crushed by 28 against Williams in the NCAA's.  Tourney tested, huh?

By the way, that season St. Thomas was 11-15.  Brockport also played Clark (11-12) and Massachusett's College (1-22) that season.  They managed to win those two games.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 28, 2005, 01:13:11 pm
Waah waah.
God -pick yourself up bports.
There is no crying in posting!
Gimme a break!
 :'(
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on December 28, 2005, 02:20:40 pm
First off, a new gym is nice but we need the new dorm.  Second off I can't blame teams for not wanting to come play at fisher.  It is a small gym and a very loud gym, also students being on the court cant help with teams wanting to come.  Brockport stop whining, you haven't heard Fisher Fans complaing about not playing at home much
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 28, 2005, 02:31:17 pm
Superman,
I'm glad that you enjoy the games as much as I did, but honestly take a step back and think-my alma mater really does need a new facility.  Oh, and btw- since I was there you have added 3 dorms.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 28, 2005, 02:38:54 pm
Whether or not a new gym gets built at Fisher has got to be a revenue driven decision.  Will a new basketball facility bring in a lot more money for the school than it takes to build it?  Probably not.  Certainly not as much as the dorm that gives them a ton of extra housing for students at 25 thousand a year (tuition + board).  And not as much as that new football facility that brings in the Buffalo Bills every summer and has attracted enough talent that the football team is decent again.

Now, if some rich alumnus wanted to donate some money...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 28, 2005, 03:06:56 pm
I'm writing the check right now.
We will of course have to name the new gym after me-
the fisheralum91 pavillion

ooo that does sound nice

Well after diggin in the pockets it seems we may have to wait for that gym!
 ;D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bports on December 28, 2005, 04:40:51 pm
I did not mean to come in here and start any fights i was responding to a statement by go bombers that was far from the truth. He said bport didnt want to play fisher at fisher, when the truth is they have played fisher every year since at least 1998. Like i said they were scheduled to meet  this year and fisher called it off just before the season. Both fisher and bport have had there share of really good teams in the recent past, and i would never put there program down. As for bport losing all those out of conf games wrong the beat william patterson, nyu, div2 lemoyne etc etc. As for 2004 losing by 28 at #1 williams in the ncaa tourney williams was a GREAT team. Remember they also beat a very good trinity team in the 2nd round of the ncaa tourney and finished the season 15-1 in sunyacs that season so i refuse to apologize as to why they were in the tourney.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 28, 2005, 08:15:35 pm
Bports, be easy my man. I didn't mean any disrespect to your school or basketball program. I was just mentioning the fact that non-E8 Rochester teams (UR, Port) probably didn't want to play in Fisher's little gym. I said nothing about them ducking quality teams or the strength of their schedule otherwise. I know B'port usually takes on all comers and in no place did I mention that they avoid quality teams.

Hope this clears up any misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2005, 09:05:34 pm
Second time you mentioned NYU. When was NYU ranked?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bports on December 29, 2005, 08:36:18 am
gobombers sorry about the misunderstanding, i enjoy reading you posts. Good luck on the season.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 29, 2005, 09:16:12 am
Well there ya see we can get along! :D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 29, 2005, 01:43:29 pm
Three games for E8 teams today at various locations and tournaments around the country:

Elmira vs Linfield

Luckily for Elmira, Linfield(1-7) isn't 1/100th as good at basketball as they are at football. At least Elmira was able to get out of CNY for the holidays and are enjoying the sunshine in Phoenix.

Nazareth at Otterbein

The Golden Flyers should be well-rested after a long layoff. This game is the 1st round of the Otterbein tournament. Otterbein is 3-6. If Naz wins, they'll likely play Ohio Wesleyan(6-3) in the final. If not, Thomas More(0-10) will likely be the opponent in the consolation game.

Alfred vs Denison

This is the first round game of the Case Western tournament. The Saxons men's hoops team follows the lead of their football team and heads to Cleveland Heights. Denison is just 2-8 and Alfred should be able to take them. A win likely means a date with a strong Case Western team. Case is in the same conference as UR.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on December 29, 2005, 02:43:24 pm
Those look like duds!
At least the weather will be warmer for elmira!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on December 29, 2005, 07:41:38 pm
 A new gym would be nice if it brings in additional revenue or not. A new facility could really help in a lot of ways, like recruiting. The gym would be great for the fans as well. Lets face it, not the best place to watch a game.
 Students on the floor is something that may not be attractive for other teams, but I think it is also one of the reasons that fisher has such an avid fan base, and what makes it such a tough place to play.
 I will say this, I would rather play in a gym like Fisher's, which always seems full and loud, than in a gym like Cortland's or some other state schools where even when they have a big crowd the place looks pretty empty.

Can't wait for the 2nd half of the season to start, and the Chase...Go Cards!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 29, 2005, 09:29:14 pm
Not a banner night for the middle of the pack E8 squads as Alfred and Naz both go down in out-of-state tourneys.  Elmira also lost.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on December 29, 2005, 09:56:48 pm
I really think our league is very weak.  I see it as a 2 horse race between us and SJF.  That's why I think Hartwick can win some games - everybody else is just like them.... not very good.

Go Utica!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 29, 2005, 10:56:48 pm
Clear, it's definitely a weak league relative to the rest of the nation. That said, it's always been a weak league and Hartwick still only has one victory over the last two years. I'm conceding that they may be better than last year; I've said that since the beginning of the season. But where does that put them, honestly? One win? Maybe two? Besides Elmira, I think they'd be lucky to win one game against another conference team. But enough about the bottom of the conference.

I like Utica, but I think it's a stretch for us to say Utica is in Fisher's class right now. For Utica fans to make an "it's only us and Fisher" comment is more than a bit premature. I'm pretty sure RIT doesn't feel that way. I don't think Ithaca is going to run and hide from the Pioneers. Alfred will be confident they can beat Utica. I don't think Utica is going to blitz this conference, by any means.

Like I said, Utica is a good team but I'm definitely firmly entrenched in a "show me" mode with them. Until they prove they can be a consistent club on the road, I don't think they can be talking about winning the regular season conference title.

Good luck to all the E8 teams this week.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on December 30, 2005, 12:11:50 am
CMon man, we are better than you think.  I feel like you are treating us like we are Hartwick or Elmira.  But hey this is why we play the games.  I feel very confident that this is our year.  We have the best player and the best coach.  Hey I am a fan!!!!!
Go Pioneers.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 30, 2005, 10:16:34 am
CMon man, we are better than you think. I feel like you are treating us like we are Hartwick or Elmira. But hey this is why we play the games. I feel very confident that this is our year. We have the best player and the best coach. Hey I am a fan!!!!!
Go Pioneers.

Clear, I absolutely believe Utica is a very good team and will be towards the top of the conference the entire season. I would never be foolish enough to put Utica on the same level as an Elmira or Hartwick. In my revised predictions, I think I had Utica finishing 2nd in the conference and going 10-4 in the league. I don't think that infers that I think Utica is not a very good team. With a larger NCAA tournament, that could put the Pioneers over the top, provided they still make a good showing in the E8 tourney.

What I am saying, though, is I need it proven to me that Utica can play more consistently on the road. I know you're a fan, but even you must admit that Utica's play away from their home gym has left much to be desired; a couple other Utica fans have even expressed such a sentiment. RIT just seems to have their number in Clark Gym. Fisher has everyone's number in Varsity Gym.

Also, being an Ithaca fan, Utica has looked terrible in their last four trips to The Bulb. The Pioneers have scored 39, 41, 40, and 53 points and were 0-4 in their last four trips to the South Hill. Since I don't have the time/energy/desire to go watch them play at home, I only have the opportunity to see them when they're at Ithaca or are playing against one of the Rochester teams, squads they've certainly struggled against in the past.

Cichon is definitely in the mix as one of the top players in the league and I think Utica has a pretty good coach. But, unfortunately, I don't see Fisher losing more than one or two games in the conference season. For Utica to overtake them, the Pioneers are going to have to be perfect at home(like Fisher surely will be) and develop some consistency on the road.

Only one week until the start of E8 play and, subsequently, Fisher @ Utica on opening night.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on December 30, 2005, 10:28:36 am
CMon man, we are better than you think. I feel like you are treating us like we are Hartwick or Elmira. But hey this is why we play the games. I feel very confident that this is our year. We have the best player and the best coach. Hey I am a fan!!!!!
Go Pioneers.

Clear, I absolutely believe Utica is a very good team and will be towards the top of the conference the entire season. I would never be foolish enough to put Utica on the same level as an Elmira or Hartwick. In my revised predictions, I think I had Utica finishing 2nd in the conference and going 10-4 in the league. I don't think that infers that I think Utica is not a very good team. With a larger NCAA tournament, that could put the Pioneers over the top, provided they still make a good showing in the E8 tourney.

What I am saying, though, is I need it proven to me that Utica can play more consistently on the road. I know you're a fan, but even you must admit that Utica's play away from their home gym has left much to be desired; a couple other Utica fans have even expressed such a sentiment. RIT just seems to have their number in Clark Gym. Fisher has everyone's number in Varsity Gym.

Also, being an Ithaca fan, Utica has looked terrible in their last four trips to The Bulb. The Pioneers have scored 39, 41, 40, and 53 points and were 0-4 in their last four trips to the South Hill. Since I don't have the time/energy/desire to go watch them play at home, I only have the opportunity to see them when they're at Ithaca or are playing against one of the Rochester teams, squads they've certainly struggled against in the past.

Cichon is definitely in the mix as one of the top players in the league and I think Utica has a pretty good coach. But, unfortunately, I don't see Fisher losing more than one or two games in the conference season. For Utica to overtake them, the Pioneers are going to have to be perfect at home(like Fisher surely will be) and develop some consistency on the road.

Only one week until the start of E8 play and, subsequently, Fisher @ Utica on opening night.

Look at the BOLD...

The Utica College gym is in the Harold T. Clark Athletic Center. Does RIT play in a Clark center too?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on December 30, 2005, 10:49:58 am
Yes
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on December 31, 2005, 12:17:50 pm
E8 scores from holiday tournaments:

Elmira defeats Washington and Jefferson, 84-78. The Soaring Eagles go 1-2 in their trip to Phoenix.

Naz defeats winless Thomas More in OT, 89-83. Joe Canori scores 34 and Ryan MacAdam pours in 28 to lead the Golden Flyers to a 3rd place finish in the Otterbein Tourney.

Alfred falls in the consolation game of the Case Western tourney, 91-86, to the hosts. Dillon Stein scores 21, Quentin Bryant chips in 20. Alfred had four players in double digits.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on December 31, 2005, 01:59:05 pm
After 1 1/2 seasons of Empire8 posting excellence as Respect_The_Hawks, I am changing my posting name to Mad Hawk. This change is effective immediately.

I am here to educate and entertain this board on Empire 8 and Hartwick basketball.

While Hartwick Basketball has struggled the past several seasons this seasons marks the beginning of a revolution and dynasty for the Hawks.

No one, I mean no one respects the Hawks outside the Hartwick community. Maybe teams will have to learn scouting reports and coaches will have to coach (that will be strange phenomenon for many teams). NO MORE GIVE AWAY GAMES!

Finally I am not here to make friends, but rather push a message and do some unofficial guerrilla marketing for Hawk Basketball.

As for the 2006 E8 upcoming season, BRING IT ON
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 01, 2006, 09:50:58 am
Get a grip pal.  Your team will be a little better, but the last tiime I checked you are 1-27 in league play the last 2 years.  Please tone it down. I mean Oneonta HS would have beaten you guys the last 2 years.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on January 01, 2006, 10:36:43 am
Mad Hawk, Try to remember these to dates Jan6 and Jan.7. Lets see what your team can do.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 01, 2006, 10:42:01 am
Booya, clearconceit! Thanks for your for post!

1. Thank you for coming to the Holiday Inn Tournament in December

2. I hate to burst your fragile bubble but the Hawks are lot better then what you witnessed on Sunday, December 11th against Fitchburg State. You witnessed one of the worst games of this season. Keep in mind that the game was the fourth game of the week for the Hawks (Vassar on Tuesday, Bard on Thursday, Oneonta thriller on Saturday). I bet you didn't realize that! Any serious fan would have!

3. You can say what you want about how bad Hartwick, however, the jury is still out whether or not Utica is for real or not! I guess time will tell!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 01, 2006, 11:36:58 am
Mad Hawk, Try to remember these to dates Jan6 and Jan.7. Lets see what your team can do.

Booya, ricco1!

According to my handy pocket calendar:

January 6th: Alfred@Hartwick, 8pm
January 8th: Fisher@Hartwick, 4pm

I am looking forward to next weekend, the hawks are underdogs. However, the ironic thing here is these two games are winable games. A 1-1, let alone 2-0,  weekend would send a message to other E8 teams and allow me to have a field day on this board!

BRING IT ON
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 01, 2006, 11:54:08 am
Hartwick will lose both of those games by a combined 40 points.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 01, 2006, 12:07:18 pm
Hartwick will lose both of those games by a combined 40 points.

Boo yah, Bamm, Boo yah!!

Mad Hawk, what are you trying to prove to us other than you enjoy quoting both Stuart Scott and a movie about rival cheerleading groups? I appreciate the fact you've turned into a satire of yourself, but if you expect us to take you seriously, you have to stop saying things like the game against Fisher is "winnable" for Hartwick.

You should consider it a huge moral victory if Hartwick loses either of those games by less than 10 points. Hartwick has Cortland at home Tuesday night so there's another loss. I hope you enjoy your 0-3 week. No excuses now, buddy.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 01, 2006, 04:19:20 pm
Booyah, GoBombers15, Booyah! Happy New Year

Let me remind you that your pride and joy, the Ithaca Bombers, are 2-5 heading into the E8 season. Hartwick is 6-4, that is right 6 and 4! A win is a win, I don't care whether or not it is against a good team or a bad team.

Looking ahead to this weekend. Alfred and Fisher will not doubt be tough games for the Hawks, however, by no means will it be a cake walk for either Alfred or Fisher. I can assure you that the Hawks will be ready for battle this weekend and they just may pull out a win (God forbid)! Aside from talent, which I think is fairly even, the two games will come down to who wants to play harder and walk out of a Binder Gym a winner. I will concede however that both Alfred and Fisher have the edge on personnel experience. Time will tell!

GoBombers, I would suggest that you mentally prepare yourself that someday the Hartwick Hawks will be a factor again in the Empire 8. It may or may not be this season, but it is on the horizon. The Hawks have 14 conference games to make a statement this season. Believe me you will be surprised at the end of the season. The Hawks have nearly tripled there winning percentage this season and will no doubt chalk up some conference wins.

You can be naive and write off the Hawks all you want, but that will bite you in the butt. Remember, I never said the Hawks will win the conference this season.

Happy New Year! I wish you the best in 2006! May Ithaca and Hartwick have a successful conference season!


Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2006, 04:20:54 pm
A win is a win, I don't care whether or not it is against a good team or a bad team.

Thankfully, most people do. :)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Coach C on January 01, 2006, 04:27:41 pm
Mad Hawk -

Thanks goodness the rest of us give a darn.

C

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 01, 2006, 10:46:27 pm
Booyah, GoBombers15, Booyah! Happy New Year

Let me remind you that your pride and joy, the Ithaca Bombers, are 2-5 heading into the E8 season. Hartwick is 6-4, that is right 6 and 4! A win is a win, I don't care whether or not it is against a good team or a bad team.

Looking ahead to this weekend. Alfred and Fisher will not doubt be tough games for the Hawks, however, by no means will it be a cake walk for either Alfred or Fisher. I can assure you that the Hawks will be ready for battle this weekend and they just may pull out a win (God forbid)! Aside from talent, which I think is fairly even, the two games will come down to who wants to play harder and walk out of a Binder Gym a winner. I will concede however that both Alfred and Fisher have the edge on personnel experience. Time will tell!

GoBombers, I would suggest that you mentally prepare yourself that someday the Hartwick Hawks will be a factor again in the Empire 8. It may or may not be this season, but it is on the horizon. The Hawks have 14 conference games to make a statement this season. Believe me you will be surprised at the end of the season. The Hawks have nearly tripled there winning percentage this season and will no doubt chalk up some conference wins.

You can be naive and write off the Hawks all you want, but that will bite you in the butt. Remember, I never said the Hawks will win the conference this season.

Happy New Year! I wish you the best in 2006! May Ithaca and Hartwick have a successful conference season!


1)See, now your stupidity has prompted El Guru and other long-time posters to come in here and point out how stupid some of the things you say are.

2)I'm fine with Ithaca's 2-5 record. With the exception of the stinker they turned in against Hobart, they really don't have a "bad loss"(for what it's worth) on the season.

3)Playing against those quality teams and losing will be more beneficial for Ithaca than if they played the schedule Hartwick did. Ithaca's season comes down to being able to beat Fisher(and another opponent) in the E8 tourney. They might as well get used to playing teams that are as good as Fisher(H-SC, Roanoke, Mansfield, etc) and get used to that level of play than play the weak sisters of D3 like Hartwick has.

4)Hartwick is as talented as Fisher? Right, um, yeah, definitely. I'm sure the whole board agrees with you on that one.

5) Happy New Year to you, too.

Unfortunately, I won't be able to celebrate Hartwick's 0-3 week in its entirety as I am heading back to New Orleans on Tuesday. I will post some verbal slams towards Mad Hawk on Wednesday or Thursday from some motel room in Tennessee or Mississippi. However, we'll have to wait a couple weeks until my apartment has electricity and internet before we can fully delve into the causes of Hartwick's 0-for-the-conference-season start. Take care, everyone.

Go Bombers.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 01, 2006, 11:25:01 pm
I can't wait until we play Hartwick.  We will kill you guys.  Booyahhhhhhh.
I hope they do win this weekend because if they do, I know Utica is going to run away with the title.

Unless Hartwick played really really reall really (add a BOOOOOYAHHHHHH) bad when I saw them, they are not ready for the big boys.

Go Pioneers!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 02, 2006, 12:09:45 pm
First,
GB15 I hope you had a safe flight.
Second,
Hawk man I really need a little more comedy- you used to be marginally funny.
Thrid,
Clear C- did I get it right UC will run through the E8?  A little overconfident I think.  The local paper doesn't give them props!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 02, 2006, 12:43:07 pm
Thanks, I'm leaving tomorrow and driving to Tennessee(prob Knoxville) then onto Mississippi on Wednesday. Should probably get back to NoLa on Thursday. Once I'm back in class on Monday, I'll be posting again.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 02, 2006, 12:44:37 pm
Long drive! :P
We'll need you on here to keep us sane!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on January 02, 2006, 03:32:51 pm
Long drive GB15, It's a 1000 miles to Memphis alone.
Heading thru Knoxville? Are you heading down the East coast and then across TN?
Then again that may be the smart move, I would want nothing to do with I-71 thru Ohio either :)

Good luck with the drive.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 02, 2006, 06:26:05 pm
TF2, long drive indeed. I'm leaving from the woman's house here in Bethlehem, PA(45 mins north of Philly) or else I would have taken the Ohio route. When I went down in August I did the Rochester/Cleveland/Columbus/Cincy/Louisville/Nashville/Memphis/Jackson/New Orleans route.

This time, being more eastern, I have to head down through Harrisburg, to Maryland, all the way through VA then on to Knoxvegas. Next day should be through the rest of eastern Tennessee and through all of Alabama, onto Mississippi where we'll stop. Then to New Orleans.

Some non-conference E8 games over the next few days:

Jan 3-
RIT at UR

Utica at Clarkson

Jan 4-
Cazenovia at Fisher

Cortland at Hartwick

This weekend's conference games:

Friday
Nazareth at Elmira
RIT at Ithaca
Alfred at Hartwick
Fisher at Utica

Saturday
RIT at Elmira
Nazareth at Ithaca
Fisher at Hartwick
Alfred at Utica

Game of the Weekend: Fisher at Utica, Friday, 8pm

Intriguing weekend because I could see Ithaca going 2-0 or 0-2, which probably means they'll go 1-1. If they could go 2-0 against Naz/RIT, they'd be in great shape--even though it's early--to make the E8 tourney.

Also, as much as it may upset the Utica fans, I could see them being 0-2 at weekend's end, as well. It probably won't happen because Utica is such a good home team and Alfred isn't too hot on the road, but Alfred is an experienced team that now has their full team healthy and intact. I also see Utica at 1-1 after Saturday, though 2-0 is a possibility however slim it is.

Good luck to all the E8 teams, this is where the fun starts...

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 02, 2006, 09:00:24 pm
Yep, now the real season begins.  The most interesting mid-week game should be the annual RIT/UR matchup, tomorrow night.  They split last season -- UR won convincingly at home (one of RIT's 9 losses on the season, 4 others coming to Fisher) in the regularly scheduled game, and RIT won in equally impressive fashion in front of the home crowd in the Chase.  Both teams have lost a number of players -- four starters in RIT's case. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 02, 2006, 10:01:17 pm
Yep, now the real season begins.  The most interesting mid-week game should be the annual RIT/UR matchup, tomorrow night. 

What about Hartwick v. Cortland? That could be the matchup of the SUNYAC and E8 conference champions...






...in 2056
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 03, 2006, 02:09:52 am
Whoo, okay, January is upon us and so is conference season and I'm back and focused for the 14-game posting schedule, followed by the conference tourney and the NCAAs.  It's a marathon, not a sprint.

Two midweek non-league tilts tomorrow: Utica names its own final score against Clarkson and UR sadly proves too much for RIT.  Then the big game on Wednesday when Cortland beats Hartwick by 25 or so.

Mad About the Respect the Hawks or whatever you're calling yourself these days: in the words of the great William Shakespeare, "a Hartwick by any other name would still suck as bad."

All joking aside, scores would seem to indicate the Hawks have improved from the last year or two, but given how bad they've been, how could they not at least get a little better?  I'd say 2 to 3 league wins isnt out of the question.  Unfavorable schedule though, opening with five home games during winter break in front of next to nobody at Binder Gym leaves 'Wick on the road most of the rest of the way.

Safe travels, GB15, find yourself a TV somewhere for Sunday afternoon for the G-MEN playoff game (damn it feels good to type that after three long years.)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 03, 2006, 09:51:44 am
Release the hounds!
Now we can finally have something substatnial to talk about!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 03, 2006, 10:30:01 am
Here's the projected starting lineups for tonight's RIT/UR matchup.  I'd list the ppg, but at this point it's pretty meaningless considering the Tigers play about 15 guys a game before Christmas.  ( RIT has 10 guys averaging between 5.2 and 2.5 ppg, and only three guys averaging more than that, including leading scorer Barret Zeinfeld, who doesn't start).

URRIT
Jeff Juron6'1"SoTyler Springer5'11"Sr
Joe Canty6'4"SrDrew Martin6'4"Sr
Mike Goia6'4"SrRob Hampton6'2"Jr
Uche Ndubizu6'6"SoFran Snyder6'4"Sr
Jon Onyiriuka6'7"SoTim Bacon6'6"Jr
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 03, 2006, 11:53:19 am
Interesting Analysis

Booyah Folks! The following is a list of all the starting players of the Empire8. These starters are based on the box score of everyone's previous game. Experience is everything in college athletics and this analysis supports the statement. While Hartwick has the fewest experience this year, they are positioned well for the future. Fielding Juniors and Seniors is huge advantage when playing against sophmores and freshmen.

The Bench Analysis, will come out tomorrow!

Alfred
Hallett, Ryan      (SR)
Todd Dersham    (SR)
Dillon Stein    (JR)
Chris LeMasters (SR)
Ryan Clemenson  (JR)


Elmira
Nick Molak      (SO)
James Brown     (SR)
Joe Prunier     (JR)
Micah Owens     (SR)
Matt Keating    (JR)

Fisher
Raymie Auman    (SR)
Justin Beigel   (SO)
Sean O'Brien    (SR)
Mike McGee      (SR)
Dan McSweeney   (JR)

Hartwick
RYAN, Kevin        (FR)
LANFEAR, Alex      (JR)
COCOZZIELLO, Jan   (FR)
DUNNIGAN, Pat      (JR)
BROWN, Anthony     (FR)

Ithaca
Jim BELLIS      (SR)
Brian ANDRUSKIEWICZ    (SR)
Jonathan WHETSTONE   (SR)
Sean BURTON            (FR)
Brian JOE              (SO)

Nazareth
Joe Canori      (SO)
Caswell Smith      (SR)
Kyle Nelson      (SO)
Ryan McAdam      (SO)
Tyler Smith      (SO)

RIT
Tyler Springer      (SR)
Drew Martin      (SR)
Rob Hampton      (JR)
Fran Snyder      (SR)
Tim Bacon      (JR)


Utica
Ray Bryant      (JR)
Doug Herring      (FR)
Jack Lighthall      (JR)
Shawn Brown      (SR)
Justin Cichon      (SR)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on January 03, 2006, 12:06:22 pm
My guess is that you can probably pencil Nick Bennett into the starting lineup for SJF.
I'm assuming Beigel would be the one coming off the bench now.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on January 03, 2006, 01:28:53 pm
And Quintin Bryant for Alfred...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 03, 2006, 09:13:52 pm
611 miles later, here's just a sampling of some of the things running through GB15's head during his travels today:

-In order, what are the top ten Billy Joel songs of all-time?

-Considering all his hits, why isn't Bob Seger considered one of the better musicians in history?

-Could we send a package deal of West Virginia, cash and future considerations to Mexico for Tijuana?

-Wouldn't it be a good idea for the girl making my sub at Quizno's to learn a small bit of English? I'm not even asking for fluency here, just words like "lettuce" and "no mushrooms."

-Would I be more disappointed if my son was a toll-booth attendant or "that guy" from Real World/Road Rules that still does things like "The Gauntlet" or "Inferno" six years after his specific reality show ended?

-Was Chris Rix an even worse sideline reporter(Cotton Bowl) than Jill Arrington?

-Wow, I had four more teeth than all three of those ladies combined at that gas station in Bristol, Tennessee.
_______________________________________ ________________

Anyways, I'm glad to see Mad Hawk is finally seeing the light. You finally realize what I have been saying all along: Hartwick may have some decent players, but the E8 has so many teams with good, veteran players that it will be hard for Hartwick to compete. It's tough to win when you're throwing 18 and 19 year-olds against teams where all their players are between 21 and 23. When you're 22, you're a lot stronger/faster/experienced than you were when you were an 18 year-old freshman. With the exception of Naz, every E8 team starts AT LEAST three upperclassmen. We'll see how it plays out.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 03, 2006, 09:14:20 pm
Utica beats Clarkson, 78-52. No surprise there.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 03, 2006, 10:44:04 pm
UR - 87
RIT - 45

There's not much to break down.  RIT must have shot about 3% for the game. 

I'm pretty sure they didn't enter the paint more than 5 times in the first half.  I would have a guess on the second half, but I couldn't bare to watch anymore and left.

Jon Onyurika is very big and very good.  If he doesn't average a double-double this year I'll eat one of my shoes.  Their guards hit every open shot.  RIT didn't hit a single open shot. 

A lot of Fisher players were at the game, and I'm sure they know they have their work cut out for them in Chase.  The best basketball team in Rochester doesn't play on the East Side.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on January 04, 2006, 09:53:20 am
Onyurika only had 12 and 9, but thats not bad for only playing 22 minutes. The guy off the bench who looks like Grizzley Adams had 15 for UR.

Although they don't have the same level of talent as the last couple of years, UR is still one of the best, if not the best team in the area. I'd really like to see a matchup of SJF and UR to see how things would go.

Neer may also be the best coach in the area. His team, regardless of talent, always plays hard and executes well. They may end up getting the #1 seed in the Chase, but right now, I would say if there isn't a UR vs. SJF Chase final, it would be a disappointment.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 04, 2006, 10:21:59 am
Looks like the battle of Roch may tell the events of things to come!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 04, 2006, 12:46:37 pm
611 miles later, here's just a sampling of some of the things running through GB15's head during his travels today:

-In order, what are the top ten Billy Joel songs of all-time?

-Considering all his hits, why isn't Bob Seger considered one of the better musicians in history?

-Could we send a package deal of West Virginia, cash and future considerations to Mexico for Tijuana?

-Wouldn't it be a good idea for the girl making my sub at Quizno's to learn a small bit of English? I'm not even asking for fluency here, just words like "lettuce" and "no mushrooms."

-Would I be more disappointed if my son was a toll-booth attendant or "that guy" from Real World/Road Rules that still does things like "The Gauntlet" or "Inferno" six years after his specific reality show ended?

-Was Chris Rix an even worse sideline reporter(Cotton Bowl) than Jill Arrington?


1)I'll get back to you on the Billy Joel question.  With him, it's a question of which do you rank higher? The songs you genuinely enjoy on their own merits or the unintentional comedy masterpieces like Downeaster Alexa or We Didn't Start the Fire?

2)I guess music critics feel Seger is a poor man's Springsteen, and the critics stopped liking Springsteen a long time ago.  Of course, these are the same people that are ready to build golden statues of bands like The Killers and Franz Ferdinand.  If music critics collectively were an NFL GM, they'd be Matt Millen.

3)West Virginia has hit its ceiling as a state and doesnt have the "upppppside" that would attract Mexico to make a trade. Mexico should ask for a hot prospect like Idaho or Iowa.  To move WVa, we'd probably have to go to Canada and take back Saskatchewan's bloated contract.

4)Always a problem at Quiznos, but not nearly as bad as the fact that the guy behind you in line is unfailingly just like Will Ferrell's art model guy on SNL.  He's either going to stab you or give you hepatitis in the parking lot.

5)If my son was a toll-booth attendant, chances are I am too or some similar job, so no big deal.  If my son was The Miz or my daughter was Coral/Veronica/Julie etc. I would go take a nap on the interstate.

6)Didn't see the Cotton Bowl, but the funniest bit of the Orange Bowl last night was the FSU players glowering and shielding their kicker from ABC's cameras on the sidelines, followed by Mike Tirico snarling, "apparently they don't want us to see their kicker," biting back the urge to add "like that's going to stop the poor schmuck from shanking just like he did before, just like every FSU kicker since the dawn of time."
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 04, 2006, 01:13:01 pm
What was wrong with Jill Arrington anyway?
I loved them ... er I mean her.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 04, 2006, 02:13:08 pm
Utica fans -- the next six days are pretty huge for your team. 

This weekend brings Fisher and Alfred to your place.  Win both -- make a huge statement and get an early advantage in tiebreakers.  Split -- start the playoff race in the thick of things.  Get swept -- start the season in a hole. 

Following those two is a home game against undefeated Hamilton on Tuesday.  This is an in-region game that could really help at the end of the year in terms of quality wins (maybe a 14 pointer).  If they don't win the conference tourney a victory in this one could help them sneak into the expanded tourney field.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 04, 2006, 10:54:48 pm
Fisher by 35 or so, against Cazenovia.

A nice tune up game for the conference schedule...glad to see the Cards look sharp comming out of the winter break.

Big one on Friday...can't wait.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 04, 2006, 11:01:59 pm
also...Fisher only gives up 12 points in the first half, and only 38 for the game.

Utica and Fisher beat the same team with the basically the same margin of victory. (Utica by 31 Fisher by 35). much different scores tho.
low scoring in the fisher game, high scores in the Utica game...

Should make for an interesting game on friday.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on January 05, 2006, 12:10:15 am
Hartwick takes a beating from Cortland, 79-62...game a little more out of hand than the score indicates as the Hawks made it respectable pressing until the final whistle against Cortland bench players. Cortland led 35-27 at the half then started the second on a 13-0 or so run and it took Hartwick six minutes to put the ball in the cylinder.

Hartwick looks better than they have in years past and definitely much better than the last time I saw them. They have a lot of young talent and I was greatly impressed by Anthony Brown, a 6'6 frosh from Milwaukee, WI. The little point guard Jan Coccozziello played well too and had 16 points but disappeared at points when his team needed him. Those two basically led Hartwick and no one else jumped out at me. Hawks run about 11-12 deep and play tenacious defense. But, at  key points when they needed a stop, someone missed an assignment and Cortland got an easy basket. The Dragons easily penetrated the 2-3 zone as well. Honestly, I can't see Hartwick's zone helping them against three-pointer and fast break happy St. John Fisher.

'Wick will be better than previous years, but won't compete atop the Empire 8. If everyone stays, the Hawks are a few years away.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 05, 2006, 12:38:59 am
Utica is going to send a message Friday.  The tide is turning.  Utica is going to rock Fisher.
As for Hartwick's game versus Cortland - I will have to take your word for it but the article D-3 hoops said the first half was very tight.  Who cares anyway, this our year.  Utica is going to rock them this weekend.  I cannot wait for the game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 05, 2006, 07:08:32 am
"Utica is gong to rock Fisher"
Um, I'm glad you are looking forward to the game but let's get realistic, if anything the game will be tight and the winner gets what?
A game up in the division?
Whoopee. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 05, 2006, 09:10:47 am
Nice to wake up and see Hartwick has begun its crash course with reality. Clear, Fisher plays defense too well for Utica to "rock them." They may nip the Cards(and subsequently get pummeled at Fisher like they do every year), but it will not be a blowout. Before I leave Mississippi for the swamplands, here are my predictions for this weekend's games.

Friday

Naz 78  Elmira 71
Alfred 80  Hartwick 64
RIT 62  Ithaca 65 (OT)
Fisher 58  Utica 56

Saturday

Naz 72  Ithaca 82
RIT 70  Elmira 57
Fisher 76  Hartwick 49
Alfred  70  Utica 76

Just my guesses. Everyone, have a safe weekend and I'll be back on Monday. Good luck to everyone's teams.


Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 05, 2006, 09:27:38 am
GB15-
Ooooooooooooo I like the Alfred upset special!
I'm in Utica and last I checked the Observer Dispatch hasn't even given UC any cred.!
Enjoy the swamp!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 05, 2006, 03:50:42 pm
The Clarkson game may have been a wake up call for Utica. If we play against Fisher the way we did the other night, we will get destroyed.

Utica has more time off before being allowed back on campus, and as a result we always look awful in our first game back from break.

This year however, we relied on our talent and D to win. In the first half we looked awful on both ends, in the second, the intense D lead to our success on offense.

Should be a big game. The home court "advantage" is a bit diminished because the students aren't back from break yet. However, I'm willing to bet their will be a lot of rowdy former players there.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 05, 2006, 04:03:44 pm
Off topic, what is the deal with the Karma rating?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 05, 2006, 04:36:21 pm
Here's the projected starting lineups for tonight's RIT/UR matchup.  I'd list the ppg, but at this point it's pretty meaningless considering the Tigers play about 15 guys a game before Christmas.  ( RIT has 10 guys averaging between 5.2 and 2.5 ppg, and only three guys averaging more than that, including leading scorer Barret Zeinfeld, who doesn't start).

URRIT
Jeff Juron6'1"SoTyler Springer5'11"Sr
Joe Canty6'4"SrDrew Martin6'4"Sr
Mike Goia6'4"SrRob Hampton6'2"Jr
Uche Ndubizu6'6"SoFran Snyder6'4"Sr
Jon Onyiriuka6'7"SoTim Bacon6'6"Jr

Anyone from RIT know anything about Tim Bacon? I could have sworn that was the same Tim Bacon I went to Boys State with in 1998, meaning that he should have graduated two years ago. Maybe I am mistaken, but if it is him, we played on the same team at Boys State.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 05, 2006, 04:54:56 pm
"Utica is gong to rock Fisher"
Um, I'm glad you are looking forward to the game but let's get realistic, if anything the game will be tight and the winner gets what?
A game up in the division?
Whoopee. 

I don't know about "rocking" anyone, but this weekends games are huge in determining where the conference tournament is played. Having a tournament outside of Rochester makes Fisher that much more vulnerable. Both teams understand how huge this weekend is, as does Alfred.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: thebear on January 05, 2006, 07:02:00 pm
Tim Bacon is from Massena, big strong post player. 

His late uncle, Tim Bristol, was a reserve on Potsdam's undefeated '86 championship team.

Think he's with his class, possibly 1 year behind.

Hope this helps
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 05, 2006, 07:09:06 pm
Tim Bacon is from Massena, big strong post player. 

His late uncle, Tim Bristol, was a reserve on Potsdam's undefeated '86 championship team.

Think he's with his class, possibly 1 year behind.

Hope this helps


That's him. Thanks!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 05, 2006, 10:20:02 pm
Tomorrows games are huge!  After we beat Fisher we will be one up ad that is invaluable.  Fisher is going down and the best player in the league is our boy.... and it is not Cichon (although he is good too).

Anyone notice that Hartwick has Betancourt again?  He killed us last season inboth games.  I think at Hartwick he had like 40 pts.  Didn't see him in the boxscore before. 

And what ever happened to Mad Hawk???  Must have clipped his wings or HMMMMMM BOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH  he is eating crow!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 05, 2006, 10:53:33 pm
Greetings from the Big Easy. It is uglier here than I thought, and I thought it was going to be bad. When Rush Limbaugh says "New Orleans is fine," don't believe him. I'm mooching off someone's wireless right now but my apt has no electric, no gas and when I opened the refrigerator I nearly passed out.

Hartwick getting Bettancourt back is huge. Mad Hawk said he was no longer with the team. Again, like everything else he says, he was wrong. This may bump them up to 3 or 4 wins in the conference and not just 1 or 2.

I hope everyone enjoys their weekend of E8 basketball. I'd pay large sums of money to be in the cozy confines of The Bulb, watching Ithaca blow it in the 2nd half to RIT like they always do, than to be here scrubbing mold off my fridge for 4 hours/day. I'd be willing to bet that 3rd world countries can't be much worse than some of the areas here. Count your blessings, I guess.

Go Bombers...big weekend, get Mullins to have somewhere to go this weekend so we can actually win these games.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 06, 2006, 07:59:44 am
Ok,
UC fans get a grip!
We will see how good you are this weekend, and if I have to eat some crow I will, but please, you haven't been anything since the 80's and now you all come out of the woodwork?
Enjoy the talent you have but for god sakes you are not the next "Williams"!
Nor is Fisher btw!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 06, 2006, 08:40:27 am
I'll take:

Friday
Fisher over Utica (sorry Pioneers, you're gonna have to make me a believer)
RIT over Ithaca
Alfred over Hartwick
Naz over Elmira

Saturday
Utica over Alfred
RIT over Elmira
Ithaca over Naz
Fisher over Hartwick

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 06, 2006, 08:58:31 am
Utica rolls SJF
Uticas Rolls Alfred

2-0

Best coach
Best Player

This is the year

Upset Special Hartwick over SJF  (Just Kidding) but boy would I love that.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 06, 2006, 09:22:39 am
ClearC,
Now define "rolls".
You have said in the past "UC is going to rock Fisher", now it is roll, what is next in that fantastic sophmoric vocabulary to describe the game- oh wait I know how about smoke, rout, or trounce.
C'mon hope for a good game and let that be that.
Oh, btw a mention of UC in the Utica OD today-oh, that's right it was the hockey team.  Woops
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 06, 2006, 09:53:56 am
Booyah Folks!

With the conference season upon us, I slept like a baby last night. Unlike last year at this time, I went to bed last night and woke up this morning extremely confident that the Hawks will be competitive in the Empire 8 this season.

In the previous too seasons the Hawks have NOT been able to compete in the conference from a talent and experience perspective. Well, ladies and gentleman the Hawks are significantly more athletic and talented this season. Yes, the lack of collegiate  basketball experience is an issue. However, this will not be an issue a year or two from now. Compared to the previous two teams Coach Culpo has coached at Hartwick, this season's team makes them look like a jv high school  team.

The Hawks came in last in the pre-season poll and nobody in the conference respects the Hawks. Well, folks I guess the stage is set for some upsets by the Hawks. When they happen this board will not know what has hit it.

Just like Utica has to prove to the conference they are the team to beat, the Hawks will have to prove they are a competitive team. Since first, second, and third seed in the tournament will be extremely tough to get, the Hawks will be gunning for fourth place or a ECAC bid.

As I said earlier in the season Greg Bettancourt is NO longer on the team. If you don't believe me check out the official roster at http://www.hartwick.edu/x15932.xml. While you are there you will also notice that Matt Simoneschi is no longer on the roster. Rumor is he is taking the semester off.

Hartwick Men's Basketball:
Why not us, Why not now

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 06, 2006, 10:03:23 am
I have no doubt that when you go slide into bed at night Hartwick Basketball is the only thing on your mind.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 06, 2006, 10:05:21 am
Did you pass out on your dorm room in your bunk bed?

Why not you?

Um -ya still suck!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on January 06, 2006, 10:43:09 am
Link for tonights Fisher-Utica game on radio.www.utica.edu/athletics/broadcast.cfm or go to Utica mensbasketball web site.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 06, 2006, 11:09:08 am
Link for tonights Fisher-Utica game on radio.www.utica.edu/athletics/broadcast.cfm or go to Utica mensbasketball web site.

You can also go to starsradionetwork.com, I'm sure they have a link for the basketball game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 06, 2006, 11:13:46 am
It figures that the game is in my backyard and I'm going out of town!
Enjoy the game Budcrew- maybe I'll stop at Cavallo's before I get out of Dodge!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on January 06, 2006, 11:58:52 am
Fisheralum, I don't think you can judge Utica's team based on the coverage they get in the OD.  The OD doesn't cover anything too well.  I don't think this game will by any means be a "rocking" or "rolling" of Fisheror vice versa, but I am hoping for a great game. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 06, 2006, 12:07:34 pm
lileyes,
No argument here 'bout the OD.
Humorous to read sometimes!
I'll be a good game-sorry I'll miss it
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 06, 2006, 01:18:24 pm
I'm going to make a silly request.  I finally have a free weekend.  Perfect weekend to see some hoops.  But RIT, UR, Fisher, and Naz are all out of town.  Coaches (McVean, Kornaker, Neer, and Daley) -- do you guys think you can get together next year and keep this from happening?  Great, and thanks.   ;D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 06, 2006, 01:24:13 pm
Bamm,
C'mon down to Utica-catch the game and hit a couple of cool gin mills!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 06, 2006, 02:21:43 pm
It won't be much of a game.  Utica by double digits!!  Whoohooo I am fired up baby.  The place is going to be rocking tonight!

As for my sophomoric diatribe, hey it is a free country and I can speak as I wish.  Utica is the team this year.  We are taking you all down.  Fisher just happens to be first. 

Hey Hawk man, don't be mad.  Change your name to fantasy man.  You are dreamin brother.  But make them sweet dreams!

Enjoy the games tonight... I know I will.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 06, 2006, 02:34:02 pm
Hey Clear-
Enjoy the allusions in your head!
Did I just read that you are predicting an undefeated season?
Good luck with that bro.

Really though enjoy the game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 06, 2006, 02:44:48 pm
I cant type worth a damn either!

I'll be at Cavallo's!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on January 06, 2006, 03:34:43 pm
Who is starting tonight for Fisher. Kornaker been changing his starting five for differant reasons. Utica is a physical team. I hope Fisher can keep them under control.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 06, 2006, 04:04:19 pm
Should be a great game tonight. I just hope that UC had good practices this week to get ready.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 06, 2006, 04:53:50 pm
Utica rolls SJF
Uticas Rolls Alfred

2-0

Best coach
Best Player

This is the year

Upset Special Hartwick over SJF  (Just Kidding) but boy would I love that.

Clear, I respect your opinions, but I'm going to have to disagree with you on each of your assertions:

1)Utica rolls Fisher: I doubt it and I think you do, too. If Utica wins, it's going to be a very tight game. Fisher is too good to get run out of the building. They outplayed R-MC on the road(R-MC fans even said so) and they play great defense. It's going to be close.

2)Utica rolls Alfred: Saxons are too experienced and talented for this to be a blowout. If Utica turns this one into a shootout, they could be in trouble. Quentin Bryant and Dillon Stein are enough to keep this one close.

3)Utica has the best player: To be honest, if I were picking a team and I could have any player in the E8, Cichon would maybe be my 3rd pick, and even that would be a tough call. I'd much rather have O'Brien or Bennett on my team; they bring more to the table than Cichon. Cichon's a great scorer but doesn't play the defense Bennett does and isn't the floor general that O'Brien is...or is he nearly as clutch as either of those guys. I'd honestly think about taking Quentin Bryant and Jimmy Bellis(only if he starts taking it to the hoop more) over Cichon. He's a good player, but I don't think he's the best in the conference.

4)Utica has the best coach: I've followed E8 hoops for going on six years now, and until this year I couldn't have told you the name of Utica's coach if you paid me. Whenever he's been at The Bulb he's done nothing but berated the officials and, consequently, caused his players to do the same thus taking them out of their game. When has he ever coached his team to a big victory on the road over the last few years? Give me Kornaker or McVean any day of the week over...what's his name again?

I'm not trying to rail on Utica here but I think the Pioneers bandwagon is getting a little top-heavy and is about to go around a sharp turn. I think they are firmly entrenched as 2nd best in the E8 hierarchy. Utica fans, as Bill Simmons says while paraphrasing The Wolf, "let's put the popsicles away for now."
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 06, 2006, 06:42:21 pm
and it isn't Cichon, it is Ray Bryant.  You'll see for yourself tonight.  We are going to rock the Fish.... SQUISH THE FISH!!!!!!!!!

Our coach is way better than Kornaker.  Cmon buddy see the truth.  Kornaker has the best kids because Fisher packagaes better than everyone else.  The school costs less to begin with, it is no brainer.  Anyone in the league could coach Fisher and be on top.
I foyu want my honest opinion, I would say that Elmira and Hartwick's coach may be as good as anyone.  They have it the toughest.
But I think ANdy is the best.  You will see tonight!

Only 1 hour or so.  I cannot wait.  Fisher goes down tonight!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 06, 2006, 07:03:28 pm
Well, somebody besides Cichon better score because he's gonna draw Nick Bennett as his defender. Also, I don't think Fisher is that cheap of a school. Are you sure it's more expensive to go to Utica or an Elmira then Fisher? I've always said recruiting is half of coaching and Kornaker does that better than anyone in the conference. Take a look at Mack Brown. He's a very mediocre coach but he's a fantastic recruiter...hence the national championship.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 06, 2006, 09:48:51 pm
Bombers roll RIT, 69-53.  Box score should be available in the next 30 minutes or so, I'm anxious to see what went right for IC tonight.

Good times, good times.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on January 06, 2006, 09:59:25 pm
Fisher66-Utica58 Cichon7or8 points
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on January 06, 2006, 10:00:03 pm
Fisher down 6 at the half 38-32 and down 10 in the second half battle back and defeat Utica 66-58. Nice win to start the 05-06 Empire 8 season
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 06, 2006, 10:03:51 pm
This was a lucky win, but clearc needs to come here and eat his words
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on January 06, 2006, 10:08:25 pm
Fisher wasn't lucky Fisher is better skilled. Lookout hawk here they come.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 06, 2006, 10:19:50 pm
I am dismayed to say the least.  While I agree Fisher got a little lucky, they are the better team.  My hope is that we are the better team by the end of the year.

Congrats guys, you deserved it. 

Anyone know how bad Hartwick got rocked tonight?

I am guessing 20 or more!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 06, 2006, 10:28:30 pm
believe it or not, Hartwick only lost by 3 to Alfred.  Hawks even had a chance to tie in the final minute but couldn't get a layup or follows to drop.  Nice effort though, something they can build on.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 06, 2006, 10:32:04 pm
Saxons Shade Hartwick, 68-65
January 06, 2006 :
ONEONTA, NY – Junior center Dillon Stein (Norwin HS/N. Huntington, Pa.) scored 16 points and grabbed nine rebounds to lead Alfred University to a 68-65 win over Hartwick College in the first Empire 8 Conference game of the year for both teams at the Binder Gymnasium on Friday night.

Alfred took an early lead and led 35-31 at the half.

Hartwick responded in the second half, tying the game at 41-all on a pull up jumper by freshman guard Jan Cocozziello (New Hampton Prep/Westfield, N.J.) with 16:19 left in the game. The Hawks led by as many as four, taking a 62-58 lead with 5:11 left in the game on a jumper by Cocozziello.

The Saxons answered with a 7-0 run on an inside bucket by Stein, a three-pointer by junior guard Ryan Clemenson (South Seneca/Ovid, N.Y.), and a layup by Clemenson with 2:17 left to take a 65-62 lead.

After a free throw by Hartwick’s Pat Dunnigan (Vernon Twp/Sussex, N.J.) cut the lead to one, 65-63, and a missed three-point try by Clemonson, Hartwick had a chance to tie the game with 52 seconds left, but Hartwick freshman forward Anthony Brown (North Division/Milwaukee, Wisc.) couldn’t get a lay up to drop with 52 seconds left.

Stein converted on the other end to give Alfred a 67-63 lead that proved insurmountable.

Stein was 7-7 from the floor for the Saxons (6-5, 1-0), who also got 16 points from senior guard Quentin Bryant (Seneca Vocational/Buffalo, N.Y.). Clemenson added 12 and senior forward Todd Dersham (Campbell-Savona/Campbell, N.Y.) 11.

Hartwick was led by 20 from Cocozziello, 14 from Dunnigan, and 11 from senior guard Tim Kindlon (Bethlehem/Delmar, N.Y.). Brown finished with eight points, six rebounds, three blocks and four assists. The Hawks fall to 6-6, 0-1 in the Empire 8.

Hartwick will host St. John Fisher tomorrow afternoon at 4:00 p.m. Alfred travels to Utica College for a 4:00 p.m. tip off.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 06, 2006, 10:33:47 pm
RIT was held without a field goal for the final 10:23 of the game after leading by 1 at the half....goes without saying that'll get you beat every time.

22 points for Jim Bellis, 9 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists, 6 steals (and yes, 6 turnovers) for Jon Whetstone.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 06, 2006, 10:36:14 pm
Looks like the Tigers took another beating tonight.  To be honest I'm not all that surprised after their awful night on Tuesday -- not easy to recover immediately from something that dreadful.  Hopefully they can rebound at Elmira tomorrow.  

Not surprised by the Fisher/Utica score either -- or the way the game flowed.  Utica was going to come out fired up, ready to make a statement.  Fisher would have to absorb early rush, settle down, and take control.  Which looks like what happened in the second half.  If you were there and it went any other way enlighten us.

Again, important win for Ithaca tonight as they will probably be fighting for the last two playoff spots with Alfred and (hopefully) RIT.  They need to beat those teams at home.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 06, 2006, 10:38:18 pm
CB,

Wow.  That is an interesting piece of information.  Tim Bacon is and should be their go to guy to get a score, was he in foul trouble or out of the game?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 06, 2006, 11:02:41 pm
Big win for Fisher even tho it was only the first league game.  Utica is most likely the 2nd best team in the league and to beat them in Utica is Huge.

As for Fisher being lucky...well if taking a shot in the mouth from a very good team away from your home floor, staying poised and close enough to be able to turn the game around with about 12 minutes in the 2nd half, and head off with a convincing win is lucky well I guess we are lucky...

For all the people that are going to say that winning a close game at Utica by 8 is not convincing, I would say that beating the 2nd best team in the conference on their home floor is convincing no matter what the score. Fisher took Utica's best shot and was able to come away with a win.

Great win for Fisher...need to stay focused tomorrow or it is all worthless...Go cards.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 06, 2006, 11:32:31 pm
Bamm, Bacon was RIT's leading scorer with 19 points and only committed one foul.  Foul trouble wasn't an issue at all for the Tigers as nobody had more than 3 and only 14 total.  I don't believe he got hurt as I think the play by play had him shooting free throws towards the end.  Must have been some ice cold shooting (both teams shot about 42% for the game) and possibly some turnovers that did it.

I saw the score and said to myself, "damn it feels like we haven't beaten them in forever."  Apparently we haven't: IC's release notes this is the first win for the Bombers against the Tigers since Feb. 2002.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 07, 2006, 12:47:20 am
I have to admit I am a little surprised by your team.  Does this mean we will have it easy tomorrow????

I saw your box score and you guys are playing mostly freshmen.  Very impressive indeed.  I am wondering if ALfred is really the 2nd or 3rd best team. 

Predictions for Sat:
We get Alfred by 20
Fisher gets you by 30-40.

Peace
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 07, 2006, 09:11:18 am
No crow to eat today!
Congrats SJF!
ClearC- Don't worry you have a whole season ahead!
Just hope Fisher dosn't waste it today!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 07, 2006, 09:54:23 am
Utica gave that game away. The shooters went cold in the second half.

If you looked at the stats without knowing the score, you would assume Utica won by 15.

Fisher had 17 turnovers.

Utica killed them on the boards. 36-24. Offensive rebounds went to Utica 16-4.

Bottom line, if UC had hit there free throws, this game goes the other way. In my opinion, Utica has more talent overall and a deeper bench. Fishers experience was the difference in this game. I actully think Utica has a better chance at beating Fisher later in the season when they have a whole season of playing together under their belts.

I just hope they react to this with confidence, knowing that they can beat any team if they don't beat themselves.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on January 07, 2006, 11:20:21 am
I think the difference between Fisher and the rest of the teams is defense. Not to many teams play great defense like Fisher does.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 07, 2006, 12:04:39 pm
I think a lot of that shooting trouble from Utica in the 2nd half was some good defense by Fisher...

I wasn't at the game, but I heard it on the internet...I think the bottom line is Utica is a very good team, but in the end Fisher was a better team and was able to turn the game around and win.

Fisher cleared a major hurdle with the win...anyone think they can go undefeated in the conference 2 years in a row?
I think it is possible but very hard to do. With the win last night they have won 25 straight conference games, and are 29-2 in the last 2 years and one game this year.  With domination like that I think anything is possible
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 07, 2006, 01:26:45 pm
Utica missed several easy uncontested shots. Inside, there was a LOT of contact. They easily could have called about 40 fouls on both teams in the second half alone. The problem was, UC didn't make the free throws that they did get to shoot.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on January 07, 2006, 06:03:44 pm
Fisher begins the Empire 8 season with an impressive win at HARTWICK 90-64 3 players in double figures led by Mike Mcgee with 20 and 19 from Dan McSweeney and 12 from Pete Gillette
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 07, 2006, 07:02:41 pm
nothing out of the ordinary on Day 2 of the league schedule, Fisher smashes Hartwick, RIT does likewise to Elmira, Ithaca and Utica pick up solid home wins over Naz and Alfred, respectively.

4 straight wins for the Bombers, 2-0 E8 and tied for first with SJF, I guess that makes Ithaca Basketball the "Roman Empire", right Mad Hawks?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 07, 2006, 11:57:46 pm
but you better pray that you don't lose to Hartwick when you do play.  By the way they only trailed Fisher 38-36 at the half according to the article. 

Utica played ok today.  If Alfred is the 3rd best team, then I am not sure we lose to anyone else.  Significant differance between Fisher and Alfred.  It should be interesting.  I have to admit I am a little concerned about Friday night.  I realize we have Hamilton next and I want to kill them, but the league is the real focus.

Hey Mad Hawk, what's up?  Aren't you going to tell me you had a moral victory today?

You are 0-2 brother!

Peace.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 08, 2006, 11:04:11 am
Despite a 0-2 weekend, the Hawks get a boost!

Obviously, I am not happy that the Hawks lost. However the Hawks were hands down much more competitive than the previous two years. On Friday night the Hawks gave Alfred a run for their money. Yesterday, the Hawks hung with 20th ranked Fisher for 20 minutes before they took it to the next level. What is impressive is the Hawks were able to compete with 9 freshmen, 1 sophmore, 3 juniors, and 2 seniors on the roster. Of the 15 roster players only 3 had any E8 playing experience prior to the Weekend. Senior John Montana is the only player who has more than a year's experience in the E8. When the Hawks starters walked to center court on Friday night against Alfred NONE of them had any E8 playing experience.

Folks, this weekend was a perfect example how playing experience is so so so important in college athletics.

If Alfred is really the 3rd best team in the conference like many of the experts are predicting, then the Hawks have an increasing chance at making the E8 tournament as a fourth seed. The Hawks have to whether the storm against Utica next Friday and then they will look to make some up some headway against Ithaca, Elmira, RIT, and Naz.

Finally, the ship is starting to move in the right direction!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 08, 2006, 02:39:40 pm
You are 0-2
0-16 over 2 years
1-29 over the last 3 years!

I don't think you can make it my man.  Why don't you just hope you beat Elmira at home and hope to stay within 20 pts of anybody on the road.

Cmon man - we are gonna hammer you on friday (we just have to get through Tueday w/out injury)

Peace
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: notjoshreed on January 08, 2006, 07:47:11 pm
Hey Hawk,
Your lot is improving, your team was more competitive vs Fisher than previous years.  You were only down by 2 at half time due to 3 to 4 buzzer time clock beating threes and some over all hot shooting.  I thought the key to the game was when Bennet and Gillette zoned in on your quick guard as well as two consequetive fast breaks resulting in a slam and a lay up by McSweeney.

On to the Chase
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 08, 2006, 08:23:22 pm
Chase Seedings yet?? 

Predictions:

1 - Fisher
2 - UR (after loss at NYU this weekend)
3 - Roberts?
4 - RIT
5 - Bport?
6 - Naz
7 - Geneseo
8 - Keuka

Truly, I have no idea how 3-5 will go. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 08, 2006, 08:47:53 pm
Two big wins for the Bombers this weekend. To be truthful, I was pretty sure they'd go 2-0 this weekend, especially after RIT got whipped as bad as they did at UR. Ithaca is for real. The newcomers are really stepping up big. Right now, freshman guard Sean Burton looks like he could make a run at E8 ROY. Dominic Scanlan is a quality big off the bench--something you don't find everyday in the E8. The role players are also playing very well; Brian Joe is hitting 3's and Sean Stahn brings energy and athleticism off the bench.

Hopefully Brian Andruskiewicz isn't seriously hurt. He didn't play against Naz on Saturday and played only 18 minutes, before fouling out, in the win against RIT. His skill and leadership is very important to this Bombers team. Clear and all the other UC fans, considering your showings in The Bulb over the past three years, I wouldn't count that game as a win quite yet.

Bamm, here's my best shot at the seeds. I do know, however, that the Quarterfinal games will be played at Brockport and Nazareth, the Semifinals at UofR and the finals are TBA. My guess:

1-Fisher
2-UR
3-Brockport
4-RIT
5-Roberts Wesleyan
6-Keuka
7-Naz
8-Geneseo

I think Naz would ordinarily be the #6 seed but since they are one of the first-round hosts, they're dropped to 7th. Also, the committee will reward Keuka's 5-2 start regardless of the fact they've played nobody. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they switch Keuka to #5 and drop Roberts to #6. That's just my guess.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 08, 2006, 09:28:32 pm
Well, Brockport has on its site that they play RIT in the 1st round so that must be the #4 vs #5 game. Also, the semis are at UR and the finals are at RIT.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 08, 2006, 10:22:19 pm
Where are the chase games being played?
1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounds?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 08, 2006, 10:27:37 pm
nevermind I guess I just need to read a little more...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 08, 2006, 11:47:19 pm
I admit SJF is still better as of today but I am going to tell you right now that the Cocoziello kid from Hartwick is a lock to win the rookie of the year.
I saw him in the scrimmage versus IT and I saw him against Fitchburgh State and now I see that he had 25 against Fisher.  Forget about it.  He is a very good freshman.

And Bulb - we are going to take you this year!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 09, 2006, 08:43:26 am
Chase Seedings from the Democrat and Chronicle:

1 - Fisher
2 - UR
3 - Roberts
4 - RIT
5 - Brockport
6 - Keuka
7 - Naz
8 - Geneseo

Naz on Wednesday:
6:15   Geneseo vs Fisher
8:15   Naz vs UR

Bport on Wednesday
6:15   Keuka vs Roberts
8:15   Bport vs RIT
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 09, 2006, 08:51:35 am
Here is the link to the D&C article
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060109/SPORTS09/601090308/1007/SPORTS
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 09, 2006, 09:58:06 am
Empire 8 Action
1/9/06 --> 1/14/06

Tuesday, January 10

7pm: Hamilton@Utica
8pm: Ithaca@Elmira

Wednesday, January 11

JP Morgan Chase Tournament

1. Fisher vs. 8 Geneseo @Nazerath, 6:15pm
5. Brockport vs. 4. RIT @Brockport, 8:15pm

3. Roberts Wesleyan vs. 6 Keuka @Brockport, 6:15pm
7. Nazareth vs. 2 Rochester @Nazerath, 8:15pm

Friday, January 13

JP Morgan Chase Tournament

Fisher/Geneseo/Brockport/RIT

Consolation@UR, 1:30pm
Semifinal@UR, 6:15pm

Roberts Wesleyan/Keuka/Naz/Rochester

Consolation@UR, 3:30pm
SemiFinal@UR, 8:15pm

8pm: Utica@Hartwick

Saturday, January 14

JP Morgan Chase Tournament

Seventh Place Game@RIT, 11am
Fifth Place Game @RIT, 1pm

Third Place Game@UR, 3pm

Championship Game@UR, 8pm


Enjoy the action!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: cantbestopped on January 09, 2006, 04:23:13 pm
Why do two lower seeds get home games in the first round, or do the seedings only matter who you play?  it would make more sense to flip-flop the 8:15 games locations.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 09, 2006, 04:39:54 pm
Tourney sites are rotated from year to year.  The tournament intentionally puts teams on their home floors in the first round, regardless of seed ( putting more butts in the bleachers is a good reason ).
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on January 09, 2006, 06:08:07 pm
why do they let a team play on their home court? I think it might be UR- Fisher. If it is I think they should move it to RIT even though Fisher beat RIT on their court last year.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 09, 2006, 07:28:57 pm
as much as I would love to see a potential championship played away from UR's home floor, it is probably the best venue in rochester. Maybe Roberts is better but I don't think so. All the other gyms are too small.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 09, 2006, 07:33:01 pm
by the way...I hope Utica destroys Hamilton this week.

Not a big fan of the light blue I guess...I think it will be a good one.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hoopfan17 on January 09, 2006, 08:42:53 pm
Right now, freshman guard Sean Burton looks like he could make a run at E8 ROY.

Ok I definitely can't agree with you on this one Ithaca fan, even though I am not a big Hartwick fan, I must say that hands down the E8 ROY is going to be Jan Cocozziello.  If you've seen this kid play you would completely understand.  Does anyone disagree with me on this one?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 09, 2006, 08:53:56 pm
Birdman,

Just for the record, RIT has the biggest D3 gym in Rochester.  Although Clark Gym's listed capacity is only 211 more than UR's Palestra, I suspect the real difference is greater.

Roberts' gym is big as well, and I suspect it rivals RIT's capacity.  Both are bigger than the Palestra.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 09, 2006, 10:22:20 pm
Right now, freshman guard Sean Burton looks like he could make a run at E8 ROY.

Ok I definitely can't agree with you on this one Ithaca fan, even though I am not a big Hartwick fan, I must say that hands down the E8 ROY is going to be Jan Cocozziello.  If you've seen this kid play you would completely understand.  Does anyone disagree with me on this one?

Herring from Utica will likely be in the discussion.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 10, 2006, 09:49:16 am
Herring is a nice player, but even I have to admit that as much as I love my team, that kid from hartwick is on another level.  I am wondering how the hell they got him.

As for tonight, we are going to kick the crap out Hamilton for the E-8 baby.  The continentals are going down!!
And then were coming after you MADHAWK.

Peace
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 10, 2006, 12:12:45 pm
Right now, freshman guard Sean Burton looks like he could make a run at E8 ROY.

Ok I definitely can't agree with you on this one Ithaca fan, even though I am not a big Hartwick fan, I must say that hands down the E8 ROY is going to be Jan Cocozziello.  If you've seen this kid play you would completely understand.  Does anyone disagree with me on this one?

Hold up, where did I say he was definitely going to win E8 ROY? All I said is that if Burton continues playing like he has since he was inserted into the starting lineup, he'd be in the discussion(that's what "make a run at" means) for said award. Tell me how I was annointing him the winner or handing him the award right now? Burton's a solid player and a smart ballhandler; something this team has lacked since Dane Fischer left in 2001. Burton is MAYBE the 5th or 6th scoring option for Ithaca so it's obvious he won't have the numbers that Cococrisp for Hartwick has, but he may be just as important. Sure, the kid had 25 vs Fisher; but 20 of those were in the first half when Mike McGee was guarding him; McGee can't guard his shadow. In the 2nd half, with Bennett on him, he got locked up...which is to be expected. It's a numbers game and Cocoziello will probably win ROY but Burton will still be talked about.

You Utica fans should be worrying about whether Justin Cichon is even going to make the 1st team, let alone have a shot at E8 POY. He has a long way to go if he's going to catch Canori or Q.Bryant.

 You all need to relax. I'm just not sure how you took me saying that Burton would be "in the discussion" as meaning "he'll be the winner." Quite a gap to bridge between the two.

As for the "lower-seeded" teams playing home games in the Chase, it's a necessary evil. Geneseo and Keuka are little too far off the beaten path to play at their place, so its rotated among the rest of the schools. The finals should always be at RIT as, like Bamm said, they have the biggest gym and the objective of the Chase SCHOLARSHIP Tournament is to raise money. Either way, UR is good enough that playing at Naz shouldn't matter. RIT, on the other hand, is hurt a little more by having to play at Brockport, but I'm not sure RIT would beat Brockport in Clark Gym(no disrespect to the Tigers).
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: diesel32 on January 10, 2006, 01:21:58 pm
I have seen Sean Burton play first hand so it's hard to say that IC's Burton is the 5th or 6th option in that offense especially since he is one of the primary ballhandlers for that team and even more important if he has more 20 point games especially since he sat out all but the very end of the first semester he has flown somewhat under the radar. As for the Utica's Doug Herring he is at times an electrufying player but in his defense he has players like Ray Bryant, Willie Lucas, and a potential E8 POY in Justin Cichon so he is not looked upon to have to carry the load like the kid from Hartwick, and trust me being a utica fan i dont feel anyone could disagree, but please do try i claim to be right i'm just saying i'm not wrong
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 10, 2006, 07:51:02 pm
bamm, I wasn't just talking about the size of the gym. UofR's gym is probably the best venue taking into account size, location, and quality of the venue.  I like Roberts gym, however, it seems to me that the Chase tourny championship should be in the city somewhere.
that is all I was sayin.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: thebear on January 10, 2006, 08:35:22 pm
Having been in most of them, Geneseo has the largest Gym of the teams in the Chase Tourney, Louise Kuhl is the same size as Jerry Welsh, easily seats 2500-2800. 

Brockport's Tuttle North is listed at 2,000, but could fit more in a pinch.  Geneseo is only 25 minutes from Thruway Exit 46.

I believe RIT is in the process of building a huge new facility that clearly will have the largest capacity in the area.


Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on January 10, 2006, 08:58:25 pm
UC beat Hamilton 84-71!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on January 10, 2006, 09:37:41 pm
I don't think that Geneseo or Brockport are really that much bigger than RIT.

RIT did build a new facility, but not for basketball, the games there aren't leaving Clark Gym anytime soon.

With over half the teams right in Rochester, no matter how big the gym is, I don't think we'll see the finals at Geneseo anytime soon. Probably not in Brockport either.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: woot on January 10, 2006, 10:15:30 pm
the only reason why utica beat hamilton is because hamilton is missing three of its top players Tk, giorgi, and ray due to some unknown reason. utica is trash
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 10, 2006, 10:32:48 pm
the only reason why utica beat hamilton is because hamilton is missing three of its top players Tk, giorgi, and ray due to some unknown reason. utica is trash

Well, Utica isn't trash.  But aside from that, can anyone (I'm thinking it's beyond woot's capabilities) make a coherent post about why Hamilton was without those players?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 10, 2006, 10:35:14 pm
Ithaca by a billion over Elmira.  Looks like the Eagles have settled comfortably into the basement of the E8.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 10, 2006, 11:52:46 pm
Are you kidding me?  We kicked ass tonight.  We got off to a slow start and once we adjusted to their pressure we dominated.  We had foul trouble tonight and it still didn't matter.  Coaching really made a difference in this game.  We made adjustments and they didn't.  Nice to lok down there and not see Tom Murphy working the sideline.  We may have lost if he was there.

As for being trash, c'mon get a clue.  Go back to your liberty league sight.

Hey Mad Hawk get ready brother here we come.  We are going to lock up your freshman stud.  He can't be that good if he only scored 19 on FIsher's McGee - he can't guard a dead man, and Bennet gets way too much publicity from the Fisher crowd.  We win by atleast 25 on Friday.  I will be there - should I be looking for a man in a Hawk's costume?

Cheer up - it looks like you may split with Elmira this year!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 11, 2006, 12:15:02 am
the only reason why utica beat hamilton is because hamilton is missing three of its top players Tk, giorgi, and ray due to some unknown reason. utica is trash

If the rumor about why the 2 guys from south africa weren't there is true, then Hamilton fans do not have the right to call ANY other program trash. I am not at liberty to repeat this rumor, but if it is true, it will likely be in the news (unless there is an amazing cover up job) and Hamilton can forget about having those two in the lineup for the rest of the season.


That being said, I'm not so sure that those two being out didn't help Hamilton stay closer than they would have. With their absence, Hamilton had to go with a smaller, faster lineup. As a result their D did excellent until Utica substituted to adjust. Hamilton also was forced to attempt twice the number of 3 pointers that they usually do. If not for hitting 12 three's, Hamilton wouldnt have had a prayer of staying within 20.

The absence of those two also had nothing to do with Herring and Cichon making the Hamilton guards look silly. Herring dropped 23 and made walchons look like he was the freshman. Bryant scored double figures despite sitting almost the entire first half with foul trouble. Utica had 4 guys in double figures.

The entire Utica team played tough tonight. They were down 13 with only about 12 minutes left, and then held Hamilton scoreless for almost 10 minutes.

Finally, excuses are like butts. We all have them, and they all stink. You didn't hear Fisher fans crying after their 2 losses that they didn't have Nick Bennet. You didn't hear RIT fans a few years back crying that they didn't have some of their best players. You didn't see UC claiming that they would have won a lot more games if Willie Lucas was on the team the whole season.

You play with what you have. Things happen, and as a team you have to react. Hamilton played tough without those guys today, and for that I give them credit.  But to say that the only reason UC won was because a few guys were not there is intellectually dishonest.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: woot on January 11, 2006, 01:40:05 am
i was kidding but seriously what is the rumor? recruiting violation? falsification of academic records???
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 11, 2006, 07:23:00 am
Good win by UC!
Even without couple of players- UC would still have won that game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 11, 2006, 09:08:47 am
Booyah Folks,

Whoop d-doo Utica beats Undefeated Hamilton. It's history now and life goes on.

The plot thickens....Utica and the associated dog/pony show has 2 1/2 days to bask in the euphoria before heading down to Hartwick. Hopefully the egos will not rage, because there is the possibility of a story book season hitting a bump.

Utica fans consider this analogy:
Hartwick is to West Virginia, as Utica is to Villanova

Clearconceit- I am looking forward sitting with you Friday night, holding hands and singing kumbaya. While Utica pisses away a victory and Jan COCOZZIELLO lights up the scoreboard.

Do you want to sit in the same place you did during the Fitchburg game? Behind the opposing team's bench

Mull this over and get back to me...

Ciao for now!

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 11, 2006, 09:30:57 am
Hey Mad,
The only problem with your analogy is that West Virginia dosn't suck!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 11, 2006, 09:37:41 am
It's Early in Season, fisheralum91! You might be eating your words later in the season.

By the way...We had your Cardinal(s) at hello on Saturday! Experience, not talent, won the game!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 11, 2006, 09:40:17 am
We will see mad man.
I give cred to your freshman- kid has talent, but as far as the season goes, I'm not too worried.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 11, 2006, 10:35:23 am
As for the Balco labs sponsored St. John Fisher.

See you Feb 3 and again on Feb 25/26
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 11, 2006, 11:24:11 am
Booyah Folks,

Whoop d-doo Utica beats Undefeated Hamilton. It's history now and life goes on.

The plot thickens....Utica and the associated dog/pony show has 2 1/2 days to bask in the euphoria before heading down to Hartwick. Hopefully the egos will not rage, because there is the possibility of a story book season hitting a bump.

Utica fans consider this analogy:
Hartwick is to West Virginia, as Utica is to Villanova

Clearconceit- I am looking forward sitting with you Friday night, holding hands and singing kumbaya. While Utica pisses away a victory and Jan COCOZZIELLO lights up the scoreboard.

Do you want to sit in the same place you did during the Fitchburg game? Behind the opposing team's bench

Mull this over and get back to me...

Ciao for now!



I really hope UC puts on a show on the Hawks' ass on Friday, so Mad Hawk will have to eat some oh-so-tasty crow.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 11, 2006, 11:39:12 am
Some quick hits before I have to run:

1)Good win for Utica--and the conference--over Hamilton. Like others have said, you play with what you have and make adjustments. That's sports. Ithaca's football team started something like 15 different starters(of 22), from their season opener, in their playoff game. That happens at this level, no excuses.

2)MadHawk, Hartwick is to WVU? I think not, considering that team was one half away from being in the Final Four last year and returns almost its entire squad. I would be willing to hear a Hartwick is Alcorn State basketball analogy, though.

3)The Bombers are rolling. Five straight wins and undefeated in conference play. The way I see it, we need about 8 wins to make the E8 tourney and we're well on our way. Good to see Andruskiewicz came back after a minor injury to score 15 pts in 19 mins. This team can beat anyone in the E8 this year with the way they shoot the 3.

4)I'm salivating for Ithaca @ Hartwick on January 20th.

5)MadHawk, maybe the Fisher guys actually hit the gym. If I had NFL-quality facilities at my disposal, I'd probably go a lot more often than I do.

6)Nick Bennett is overrated? Spoken like someone who is not familiar at all with that team.

7)Finally, the talent disparity between Fisher and Hartwick is huge. MadHawk, you may be the first person whose team lost by 26 points to claim that his team had as much talent as the other. You keep telling yourself that at night.

Gotta run, hope everyone has a good day. I'm pumped to see how the Chase plays out.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on January 11, 2006, 12:47:47 pm
Are you kidding me?  We kicked ass tonight.  We got off to a slow start and once we adjusted to their pressure we dominated.  We had foul trouble tonight and it still didn't matter.  Coaching really made a difference in this game.  We made adjustments and they didn't.  Nice to lok down there and not see Tom Murphy working the sideline.  We may have lost if he was there.

Clearconceit,

We? Do you play for Utica? Last time I checked, it was the players that did the work on the court.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ucaafan on January 11, 2006, 02:55:31 pm
From a Liberty League follower - congrats to Utica on win over Hamilton. Utica is one of the most improved teams in the league and a perfect example of how a team matures (and improves) as the underclassmen gain experience - players like Cichon and Lucas deserve their accolades.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 11, 2006, 03:22:14 pm
Clear, are you a player? I'd be careful about lying because El Guru could come in here and say your connection is from a Utica College campus address.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 11, 2006, 03:35:50 pm
Clear, are you a player? I'd be careful about lying because El Guru could come in here and say your connection is from a Utica College campus address.

There are a lot of people on campus for winter session, so that really wouldnt matter.

I'm pretty sure Clear does not play for Utica.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on January 11, 2006, 03:48:11 pm
clearconceit you got beat by a team that has a player that couldn't guard a dead man and a team with a player that gets to much publicity, that is'nt saying much about your team. I can't wait to see what happens when they play your team on their home court. I think your comments are very funny. I really miss joshreed.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: woot on January 11, 2006, 03:57:54 pm
utica beating hamilton w/o three of its top players in tk, giorgi, and ray is like mohawk valley community college beating duke in a game without jj reddick, shelden williams, lee melchionni, and josh mcroberts. its like yeh you won, but over who?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 11, 2006, 04:08:08 pm
utica beating hamilton w/o three of its top players in tk, giorgi, and ray is like mohawk valley community college beating duke in a game without jj reddick, shelden williams, lee melchionni, and josh mcroberts. its like yeh you won, but over who?

Actually, it's not like that at all, considering Duke basketball consistently has blue chip recruits that come off the bench and would crush any D3 team, let alone Mohawk Valley CC 100 out of 100 times.

clearconceit you got beat by a team that has a player that couldn't guard a dead man and a team with a player that gets to much publicity, that is'nt saying much about your team. I can't wait to see what happens when they play your team on their home court. I think your comments are very funny. I really miss joshreed.

Who gets too much publicity?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 11, 2006, 04:18:36 pm
utica beating hamilton w/o three of its top players in tk, giorgi, and ray is like mohawk valley community college beating duke in a game without jj reddick, shelden williams, lee melchionni, and josh mcroberts. its like yeh you won, but over who?

How come you weren't crying when Hamilton won while scoring 94 points without those same players just last week?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on January 11, 2006, 04:43:18 pm
Why are these 3 guys out of the lineup anyway?


Bamm, I think Bennett is the one being referred to as getting "too much publicity"
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 11, 2006, 07:03:05 pm
Seriously what is up with the Hamilton players that are not in the lineup, what is this big rumor.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hoopfan17 on January 11, 2006, 07:18:52 pm
I have to agree with Madhawk, I think many people right now are under estimating Hartwick.  Once again I will say I am not a huge Hartwick fan, but this year they truly have some talent.  They have a great freshman in Cocozziello who is 6th on the conferences scoring list, they have the second best rebounder in the league with Brown and from watching them play they have a lot of heart.  Maybe there's not a good possibility they will beat Utica on Friday, but I think there's a good possibility they can make a run for the conference tournament if they can close out some games and play more consistent, they're all over the place right now. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 11, 2006, 09:13:28 pm
Fisher takes care of business in the first round of the Chase tourny, beating Geneseo by 15. Close game at the half (31-30), a lot like the last game, but Fisher goes on a 10-0 run mid-way through the half, and ends up running away with it.
Tough game friday, no matter who the Card's play, but I really want a Fisher UofR final.

GO CARDS
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 11, 2006, 09:47:44 pm
Are you kidding me?  My response about Fisher's McGee being a dead man and bennett being overrated was in response to someone's ill advised comments about the Cocoziello kid from Hartwick.  The fact (according to people I know that saw the film) is he was going off on them and Kornaker tried everybody on him.  Yes, while I don't play and don't go there I do know the facts because I talk to guys who do play!

Mad Hawk - I will run anked throught the streets of Utica is we lose to you guys.  I don't care how improved you are you cannot hang with us.

In fact I am getting alittle annoyed with all of this Itaca banter too.  I can't wait to kick your *&&*&*** too! 

We will be there in the end boys.  And yes as  fan I can say we!

Peace
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 11, 2006, 10:05:21 pm
Take it easy Clear. Utica has a good team, with what Ithaca is doing and as good as Fisher is I think there are a lot of other storys to talk about.

Utica is a very good team but not as good as Fisher and, who knows, Ithaca may have a team that could sneak into the top 2 of the league. I still think Utica will finish 2nd, but come on. A few wins against some ok teams does not make you a powerhouse.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 11, 2006, 10:52:15 pm
The Chase game of the night is RIT/Brockport, with the Port winning in OT by 8. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 12, 2006, 08:35:35 am
Last night RIT was down by as many as 27 points!!  It was 51-24 with a minute and a half left in the 1st.  They tied the game up with 4 minutes left in the second half.  They were down by 5 with a minute left and managed to force overtime when Rick Whitwood (freshman) hit a 3 with 4 seconds left. 

Brockport does a nice job of keeping their composure in OT to somehow pull out the win.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 12, 2006, 10:14:00 am
First off, can we put a moratorium on Hartwick talk until they, say, WIN A CONFERENCE GAME?!? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I doubt that other boards give the second worst team in the conference as much run as Hartwick gets here in the E8. Sure, Cococrisp is a good player but many teams have players just as good(see: O'Brien, Cichon, Bellis, Canori, etc) and much better supporting casts(see: every team besides Elmira). Let's just put a hold on the Hartwick talk for awhile until they do something worthy of talking about.

Utica fans, with the way some of you guys talk, why do the other teams even bother playing in the conference? From the sounds of it, teams shouldn't even show up to play Utica. It seems like you want the other teams to just concede 2nd place to you guys(has anyone ever heard of conceding 2nd place?). You guys are a fine team, but you still have to go out on the road and prove it; something the Pioneers haven't done over the last three years. And, yes, I'd be very surprised if Utica beats Ithaca in The Bulb. The Bombers will likely be a small favorite in that game.

Sounds like the 1st round of the Chase Tourney had some exciting games. Even the two lowest seeds(Geneseo, Naz) hung around for awhile with Fisher and UR. Doesn't look like there will be any conference matchups in the tourney unless RIT and Naz meet each other in the consolation bracket. Here's hoping for UR vs Fisher(finally). Brockport or Roberts will probably pull an upset and ruin it for everyone.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 12, 2006, 10:51:37 am
I think everyone in Roch wants to see the king of the hill game!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on January 12, 2006, 12:34:24 pm
Gobombers don't judge all Utica fans on the comments of Clearconciet.  I am a Utica fan and I think some of the things he says are absurd.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 12, 2006, 01:39:15 pm
Lileyes, I know...hence, why I said some Utica fans.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 12, 2006, 02:36:29 pm
Hey Lileyes,
Good coverage for UC finally in the OD.
I see that it took the Hamilton game for them to take notice! :P
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 13, 2006, 09:55:57 am
We are coming to town my man.  Good luck tonight.  I think we win by 20 or more.  As for the Bombers, enjoy your soft early schedule.  We are better than you and there is no way you will be a small favorite when we collide.  No shot baby.

We will get you by 10 - 20 too.

Peace
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 13, 2006, 11:24:03 am
We are coming to town my man.  Good luck tonight.  I think we win by 20 or more.  As for the Bombers, enjoy your soft early schedule.  We are better than you and there is no way you will be a small favorite when we collide.  No shot baby.

We will get you by 10 - 20 too.

Peace

Clear,

I'll say that Utica wins by at least 12.. I'll even give Mad Hawk the benefit of the doubt because they are at Hartwick, and the Utica players might get a little tired before the game trying to walk around the campus to get to the gym up those obscene hills.

Good luck to both teams, here's to hoping there is a clean and well-played game with no injuries to any players.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 13, 2006, 12:25:50 pm
Budcrew08 - great line.  Yeah those hills are killers.  Come to think of it maybe that's why they stink every year.  they are too tired to play ball!

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 13, 2006, 04:48:24 pm
We are coming to town my man. Good luck tonight. I think we win by 20 or more. As for the Bombers, enjoy your soft early schedule. We are better than you and there is no way you will be a small favorite when we collide. No shot baby.

We will get you by 10 - 20 too.

Peace

Clear, I see you're trying your hardest to challenge Mad Hawk's record--once thought impossible to break--for moronic comments in a single week. Ithaca has no shot against Utica? Interesting comment, let's play a numbers game real quick.

1) 9, 15, 15

If you answered, "what is the amount of points Ithaca has pasted Utica by in Utica's last three trips to Ithaca?" you'd be correct!

2)39, 41, 53

"What is the pathetic amount of points the vaunted Utica offense has scored in their last three visits to The Bulb?" Ding, ding, ding!!

3) 27, 32, 35

"What is the average temperature of Ithaca winters since 2002?" Oooooh, incorrect, it's actually Utica's shooting percentage the last three times they've visited Ithaca.

So remind me again why, if there were lines on D3 basketball, Ithaca wouldn't be a favorite against Utica at home? Oh, it must be the fact that Ithaca has trounced you three straight times there with teams that are all inferior to this year's Bombers team. Wait a second...

And as for your soft early schedule comment, I had to reread a couple times before I realized you were serious. I suppose if @Hampden-Sydney, @Roanoke, Potsdam, Cortland, @Cortland, @Plattsburgh isn't a tough schedule, then what does that make Utica's non-conference schedule consisting of such perennial giants as St.Joseph's of Vermont, Skidmore, Clarkson and Cazenovia? And don't give me the line about how SUNYIT is 3-0 in the SUNYAC because they're gonna get roughed up when they have to start playing the big boys in that conference. Sure, Hamilton and Union are tough games, but I'm not sure how anyone who knows anything about D3 ball can call Ithaca's early season schedule "soft."

I think you're doing a good job of losing a lot of respect for Utica's fanbase. I like some of those guys but it's hard not to have a bad taste in your mouth about Utica basketball after reading some of your posts. I guess what I'm saying is: keep running your mouth(anyone remember "we'll kill Fisher at home?"), keep eating crow whenever you get beat by a "lesser" team, show up in Rochester for the E8 tourney, watch your team play its one game, then go home and sit in the corner until next year.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 13, 2006, 06:49:28 pm
By the way, does anyone else seem to notice that Clear doesn't really post near the game times? I bet he's a scrub on the team. Hey, as long as you're the first one off the bench congratulating the guys coming off the floor, you're doing your job, right Clear?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 13, 2006, 06:58:05 pm
I prefer to think he's one of those idiots that dressed like a Pioneer-themed clown at Fisher for the E8 tourney last year.  That would explain his pre-game disappearance as well, as he needs some time to apply all that makeup.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 14, 2006, 12:12:24 pm
Wow is all I can say.
1st of all I am not a player.  But I did manage to get thrown out of the game.  With about 6 minutes left I got the heave ho for yelling at the officials.  Word of caution if you travel to Hartwick for a game - take it easy.  I would never have been thrown out at Utica for what I did.

Anyway, I can onyl make 2 possible comments after watching 34 minutes of basketball.
Either we aren't as good as I thought, or Hartwick is pretty good.
If it is the latter, then GOBOMBERS may want to get alot of posts in between today and Friday because you verywell may lose and I believe you said you would never post again.

We were lucky to win the game.

Peace

PS Went to Reds Filling station to drink afterwards.  Great spot!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 14, 2006, 12:20:54 pm
You were sitting near Cichons dad! That was awesome when you got tossed. I thought it was a Hartwick fan. I have to admit I was surprised that anyone got tossed, the ref seemed to be thin skinned.

That must mean you only saw one of the two weak Technical foul calls of the night. Herring hot T'd up because he was arguing the proper ruling with an official, who later was told by the other official that Herring was correct. The other one was before the game started when Bryant "dunked" in warm ups. Unfortunately for Utica, the officials missed Hartwick doing it about 10 times. Because of that, Montana from Hartwick scored 1 point without seeing any playing time.

Utica came into that game with no urgency. They played the worst they have all season, and Hartwick gave them everything they had as if they were playing Duke. It still wasn't enough.

They have a young team that will upset somebody like they do every year. I just hope Utica learned not to sleep on anyone after last night.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 14, 2006, 04:13:32 pm
The other one was before the game started when Bryant "dunked" in warm ups. Unfortunately for Utica, the officials missed Hartwick doing it about 10 times. Because of that, Montana from Hartwick scored 1 point without seeing any playing time.

Whaaa?? The zebras called a T in warmups?? and gave Hartwick a point??  For dunking?? I didn't even know they could do that. That's preposterous, ludicrous and a bunch of other long words too.  Makes you wonder how a guy gets to be a referee if all he wants to is to go on a hissy little power trip over nothing.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 14, 2006, 06:16:29 pm
I'll take UR by 3 today, 78-75.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 14, 2006, 07:03:25 pm
The other one was before the game started when Bryant "dunked" in warm ups. Unfortunately for Utica, the officials missed Hartwick doing it about 10 times. Because of that, Montana from Hartwick scored 1 point without seeing any playing time.

Whaaa?? The zebras called a T in warmups?? and gave Hartwick a point??  For dunking?? I didn't even know they could do that. That's preposterous, ludicrous and a bunch of other long words too.  Makes you wonder how a guy gets to be a referee if all he wants to is to go on a hissy little power trip over nothing.

Not sure if that was sarcasm, but dunking in warm ups is supposed to be a technical foul. They made the right call, but missed Hartwick doing the same.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 14, 2006, 07:16:12 pm
Plattsburgh knocks off Ithaca, 75-68. Two big runs--one in each half-- by the Cards did the Bombers in. In the first half Ithaca allowed Plattsburgh to go on a 16-0 run and open up a 13-point lead. The Bombers rallied to tie it going into the half at 36. The Bombers took a 60-58 lead with 4 1/2 minutes remaining but Plattsburgh went on a 9-0 to open it up and subsequently made all their FT's.

Brian Joe led the Bombers with 18 points. Freshman Sean Burton filled up the stat sheet with 14 pts, 5 reb, 5 asts, 4 stls. Jim Bellis had 11pts and 12 rebs but shot only 4-16 from the field. Not gonna say the Bombers got homed(I wasn't there) but P-burgh shot 34 ft's to Ithaca's 13 ft's. That's significant.

As for the Chase Final, I'm pissed I can't be there for it. I'll take Fisher in OT, 72-68.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 14, 2006, 09:45:28 pm
Fisher by 9 over U of R.

2 years in a row, now 11-2 with only empire 8 games left. I am feeling pretty good about a real good season.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 14, 2006, 11:54:48 pm
Congrats to Fisher!  great for the league.

I didn't see the Herring T but I did see the Montana kid shoot 2 FT's.  A rule is a rule.  Utica didn't play bad on O, but the defense wasn'tgood.  Do you realize they shot 52% and we shot 41%.  Like I said, I am just happy to get the hell out with a win.

Later
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 15, 2006, 12:32:42 pm
Finally!
Fisher beats UR at the palestra!
Well, now we know who the king of Roch is!
Now on to conference play!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 15, 2006, 01:33:21 pm
Congratulations to Fisher! Great for the conference.

I just realized that Utica went 3-0 against the Utica area teams this year! It's been a long time since that happened!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 16, 2006, 07:33:38 am
UCgrad45,
I know that I have been busting on the coverage of UC in the local media lately, but it looks like things may be turning.  WKTV and the OD have given creit where it is finally due.  Now before all of you flip, I am not saying that this a rebirth if the Costello years, but it really takes a lot for this market to buy into UC basketball!
And BTW-Fisher-please build on the great chase-don't look back!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 16, 2006, 11:44:42 am
I prefer to think he's one of those idiots that dressed like a Pioneer-themed clown at Fisher for the E8 tourney last year.  That would explain his pre-game disappearance as well, as he needs some time to apply all that makeup.

Hey... wait a minute! As a former Utica College Pioneer, I take offense to that "clown" remark. Those guys aren't idiots, they are good fans and they keep the crowd entertained and the energy up.... Not really p-ed off or anything, but those guys aren't clowns, they're good fans!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 16, 2006, 11:58:31 am
Hey... wait a minute! As a former Utica College Pioneer, I take offense to that "clown" remark. Those guys aren't idiots, they are good fans and they keep the crowd entertained and the energy up.... Not really p-ed off or anything, but those guys aren't clowns, they're good fans!

I rescind my "clown" and "idiot" comment.   ;D  I was making an effort to poke fun at "clearconceit", who had just posted about getting kicked out of the gym (as a fan)... which obviously makes him an idiot.  So, unless either of those characters were him, I take it back.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 16, 2006, 12:18:10 pm
Hey... wait a minute! As a former Utica College Pioneer, I take offense to that "clown" remark. Those guys aren't idiots, they are good fans and they keep the crowd entertained and the energy up.... Not really p-ed off or anything, but those guys aren't clowns, they're good fans!

I rescind my "clown" and "idiot" comment.   ;D  I was making an effort to poke fun at "clearconceit", who had just posted about getting kicked out of the gym (as a fan)... which obviously makes him an idiot.  So, unless either of those characters were him, I take it back.

Thank you Bamm for the respect to rescind your comment. I graduated in 2004, and I used to go to the basketball and hockey games in 2001, 2002, and 2003, and "we" (as a UC Pioneer) had like 5 or 6 guys dressing up in capes and "wife-beaters" (sleeveless t-shirts) and putting on face paint and going nuts at every UC basketball home game.
At the hockey games, they would basically do the same thing, but also sit behind the penalty box at the Aud and harass the $hit out of any opposing players foolish enough to get in the box and the goalie if he sucked.
I don't know Clear (at least I don't think so), but if he is one of those guys... they were awesome guys for Utica College athletics. Definitely sucked that he got tossed from the game at Hartwick for screaming at the ref. As long as the screaming didn't include f*** or s*** , etc., that's a bull$hit call by the ref to toss you out as a fan.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 16, 2006, 12:41:52 pm
The threshold for getting thrown out the game as a fan varies on the environment of the gym.  My guess is that in Utica, where the team has a recent history of being good, there is enough background noise that a few rude comments directed towards the referees will be ignored or not heard.

At Hartwick, on the other hand, I assume the gym is sparcely packed and you could hear a pin drop most of the time.  In that environment, where any rude comment could be heard echoing through the gym, you could really piss a referee off if you're rude.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 16, 2006, 01:34:46 pm
It really does take a lot to get run from a D3 basketball game. My senior year(2003-04), a group of about four or five us would dress up in suits, sit in the front row and give the opposing teams(men and women) a very hard time. Such taunts included, but were not limited to, comments about their weight, looks, implied sexual preference, their girlfriend's "abilities", back hair, haircuts, shooting percentages and other fun facts that could be gathered from their player bios. We also gave the refs ridiculously tough times. One friend of mine would chase the ref almost back to half court when he made a call we disagreed with; he was only told to sit down a couple times.

My point is exactly what Budcrew said, so long as you don't drop a few magic words, you're golden. Also, it helps if you develop some rapport with the refs during pregame warmups. For instance, during the layup lines, walk over to the ref and say something to the effect of "Sir, vertical stripes really do have a slimming effect." Warn him that other team's best player tends to travel on his go-to move(see Jeff Sidney's spin move...sorry Fisher fans, it's true) and their best defender is a hack(whether he is or not), and be on with your business.

If you make yourself a person to the ref, they'll like you more. I can't even tell you how many times, after we said something, the ref looked at us like he was going to explode with laughter but couldn't at the risk of looking unprofessional. The only time I came remotely close to getting run was a Fisher vs Ithaca WOMEN'S game(hey, those games were more heated than Ithaca v Hartwick men's games). This one ref was awful and I made a comment about him having a man-perm. I could tell he didn't enjoy it and the next trip down the court I think he intentionally called something like "3 seconds" on the Bombers. I stood up and said "Sir, you have got..." and he cut me off right there and said to me "Sit down and shut the hell up or you're outta here." Subsequently, the Assistant AD told me to cool it.

Hope this information is helpful. And, Bamm, I agree with you about those two Utica guys last year at Fisher who were thematically dressed as something to the effect of ghetto fabulous superheroes. Should be some fun games this weekend in the league. Good luck.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 16, 2006, 02:43:14 pm
It really does take a lot to get run from a D3 basketball game. My senior year(2003-04), a group of about four or five us would dress up in suits, sit in the front row and give the opposing teams(men and women) a very hard time. Such taunts included, but were not limited to, comments about their weight, looks, implied sexual preference, their girlfriend's "abilities", back hair, haircuts, shooting percentages and other fun facts that could be gathered from their player bios. We also gave the refs ridiculously tough times. One friend of mine would chase the ref almost back to half court when he made a call we disagreed with; he was only told to sit down a couple times.

My point is exactly what Budcrew said, so long as you don't drop a few magic words, you're golden. Also, it helps if you develop some rapport with the refs during pregame warmups. For instance, during the layup lines, walk over to the ref and say something to the effect of "Sir, vertical stripes really do have a slimming effect." Warn him that other team's best player tends to travel on his go-to move(see Jeff Sidney's spin move...sorry Fisher fans, it's true) and their best defender is a hack(whether he is or not), and be on with your business.

If you make yourself a person to the ref, they'll like you more. I can't even tell you how many times, after we said something, the ref looked at us like he was going to explode with laughter but couldn't at the risk of looking unprofessional. The only time I came remotely close to getting run was a Fisher vs Ithaca WOMEN'S game(hey, those games were more heated than Ithaca v Hartwick men's games). This one ref was awful and I made a comment about him having a man-perm. I could tell he didn't enjoy it and the next trip down the court I think he intentionally called something like "3 seconds" on the Bombers. I stood up and said "Sir, you have got..." and he cut me off right there and said to me "Sit down and shut the hell up or you're outta here." Subsequently, the Assistant AD told me to cool it.

Hope this information is helpful. And, Bamm, I agree with you about those two Utica guys last year at Fisher who were thematically dressed as something to the effect of ghetto fabulous superheroes. Should be some fun games this weekend in the league. Good luck.

I know a couple of years ago that the guys who liked to dress up at the games like "ghetto fabulous superheroes" used to both be football players. I don't know if it still is football players (the two I know both graduated), but they are fun to watch.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on January 16, 2006, 07:28:12 pm
Gobombers15  you mentioned Sidney, but who is the hacker on defense?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 16, 2006, 11:09:14 pm
Gobombers15 you mentioned Sidney, but who is the hacker on defense?

I was just using that as an example. I don't know if I ever really singled Sidney out, either. He wasn't really that great of a player besides his freshman and senior years. I was just illustrating how to make some friendly conversation with a ref before you commence your verbal assault.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 17, 2006, 12:22:12 am
well talk about getting thrown out of the game couldn't come at a better time Naz is at fisher for the first time (while students are in session) since the infamous fight. I personally can't wait but my opinion is that we should hold a celebrity boxing fight between all of the cardinal crazies and the D1 drop out from Naz (sorry I can't remember his name)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 17, 2006, 08:30:24 am
The Naz game is really a non issue.
Take care of biz- and to the crazies- as an alum keep it non violent!
Have fun without all the crap!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 17, 2006, 08:46:55 am
I personally can't wait but my opinion is that we should hold a celebrity boxing fight between all of the cardinal crazies and the D1 drop out from Naz (sorry I can't remember his name)

I see you use the term celebrity pretty loosely. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 17, 2006, 12:26:32 pm
I personally can't wait but my opinion is that we should hold a celebrity boxing fight between all of the cardinal crazies and the D1 drop out from Naz (sorry I can't remember his name)

Lawrence Maroney? Not to be confused with he of the same name that is a running back at Minnesota that will be a mid-1st round selection this year in the NFL Draft.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 17, 2006, 12:28:40 pm
Speaking of that brawl, that has to be one of my top "post patterns" highlights. To come home from an Ithaca game and read about how the fans incited a bench-clearing brawl was too much. And just when I thought things couldn't get any better, Naz players started coming on here to post.

That fight was caused by a lot of different people all acting stupid in different ways. Hopefully there's enough security at this week's game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 17, 2006, 01:12:17 pm
Four non-conference games on the slate tonight:

Geneseo at Elmira (matchup of the conference bottom-feeders)

RIT at D'Youville

Alfred at Penn State-Dubois

Green Mountain at Ithaca

Yes, I laughed when I saw that last one, too. Hey, we're allowed some cupcakes too, the rest of the conference teams have had some. I think Green Mountain is a new program that is taking a beating early on. P-burgh beat them 82-39, ouch.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 17, 2006, 01:50:16 pm
GB15,
I also recall that D3hoops got partially blamed for that mess!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 17, 2006, 02:27:42 pm
everybody BUT the people who actually started the fight got blamed for that fight,  If you go back there are some nice quotes from me about the Crazies.  It should be a good weekend, the entire student body is buzzing about this weekend so it should be a very loud varsity gym
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 17, 2006, 10:11:58 pm
Ithaca does what Ithaca should do against Green Mountain, defeating the Coffeemakers, 96-47. Five Bombers scored in double figures, led by E8 Rookie of the Week Sean Burton who had 15 pts, 5 assts, 4 rebs, 2 stls, and NO turnovers. How refreshing is that for Bomber fans who have had to deal with the erratic Jon Whetstone over the last four years.

Jimmy Bellis poured in 13 points, Brian Joe added 11, while Brian Kern and Dom Scanlon each scored 10, respectively. Nice little tuneup for the Bombers going into this week's game. So long as they don't get swept this weekend(which they shouldn't), they're still in good shape in regards to making the E8 tournament, which I've said all along is their regular season goal. Anything can happen in two days, as was almost shown last year when Ithaca was tied with Fisher at 62 with a minute remaining.

You have no idea how pumped I am for Ithaca to beat 'Wick by 20. Hartwick should rest their starters for the Elmira game on Saturday because that's their best shot this weekend.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 17, 2006, 11:55:43 pm
I'd have rather not even played Green Mountain.  What was the point? The win doesn't mean anything, I'm not even sure it counts as a regional game, and it kills the QOWI for down the line.

One of the coolest things about IC athletics, to me, is how all our teams play the toughest regional competition we can find in all sports.  I think Ken Kutler needed to step up there and tell Coach Mullins, "Sorry, Coach.  Find someone else.  We don't stoop to that here."

Nothing I hate worse in D3 sports than those teams that pile up big W-L records against cupcakes like Green Mountain and friends.  Their fans brag about it and then the team craps out against real competition (i.e. Mount Saint Mary women's team pretty much every single year).  It's gutless and bush league and I wouldn't want to see any Empire 8 school do it, least of all Ithaca.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 18, 2006, 12:14:44 am
I agree, Caz. Ithaca is unparalleled when it comes to seeking the best competition in all sports. They don't take the Hartwick Basketball-approach and schedule as many cupcakes as possible. I wonder why they did play Green Mountain when they have such a young program.

Ok, time to spark some discussion in here. Here's what I think the E8 post-season awards will look like when it's all said and done. This is NOT based upon performances to date, only what I think it will be at the end of the year.

E8 Player of the Year- Joe Canori, Naz: Far and away the leading scorer. Also gotta give love to a fellow Webster grad.

E8 Rookie of the Year- Anthony Brown, Hartwick: Averaging almost a double-double. More impressive than Cocozziello who seems to be a one-category guy (scoring). Burton and Herring could make a run here if they both keep up their great play of late.

Coach of the Year- Rob Kornaker, Fisher: Though if he loses so much as one game, they'll find a way to give it to someone else...probably whoever's team comes in 2nd, Ithaca or Utica)

E8 1st Team:

Sean O'Brien, Fisher
Quentin Bryant, Alfred
Joe Canori, Naz
Ray Bryant, Utica
Dillon Stein, Alfred (only bc he's one of the only competent bigs in the league, not because he's one of the five best players)

E8 2nd Team:

Shawn Brown, Utica
Jim Bellis, Ithaca
Justin Cichon, Utica
Justin Beigel, Fisher
Micah Owens, Elmira

Honrable Mention

Nick Bennett, Fisher
Willie Lucas, Utica
Ryan McAdam, Naz
Brian Andruskiewicz, Ithaca
Mike McGee, Fisher

Just one guy's guess, I'm headed to bed but I'll give my justifications tomorrow.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on January 18, 2006, 08:42:50 am
RIT's up and down trend continues last night, beating D'Youville 116-65. D'Youville is 1-13, maybe they should be the team playing Green Mountain. Only one guy on RIT's roster didn't score last night.

Hopefully this win will at least give RIT some confidence going into the weekend, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 18, 2006, 08:45:08 am
116 ?!?!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 18, 2006, 08:46:47 am
Congrats to Bob Bevilacqua, who managed to lead the Tigers in scoring (14 points).... despite playing only 5 minutes!!

He might need to double that on Friday against Fisher.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 18, 2006, 10:41:08 am
Booyah Folks!

I am extremely proud and encouraged by the Hawks so far this conference season. They were given the toughest opening Empire 8 schedule and they have risen to the occasion. They have been extremely competetive so far this season. The Hawks had both Alfred and Utica on the ropes and had the chance to win both games. For the first time since Paul Culpo reign at Hartwick, Rob Kornaker had to coach Fisher inorder to pull out the win. So another words, the Hawks have competed for all but one half so far this conference season.

What is rather impressive is the Hawks have been able to compete at the E8 level with majority of Freshmen and transfer student with no previous E8 experience on the roster. The talent level of the Hawks is dramatically increased. This speaks highly of Paul Culpo'a ability to recruit at the E8 level of basketball, especially given the constraints he is put under by the current nature of Hartwick.

The Hawks will only get better with time and player experience, I am looking forward to the next several years of Hawk basketball. Providing everyone stays at Hartwick for the next several years, Hartwick will once again be an elite E8 and reginal team.

As for this remainder of this season, look for the Hawks to continue to be very competetive and pull of some upsets!

Adios, I have a life outside of D3hoops.com. Do you?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 18, 2006, 11:06:19 am
Booyah Folks!

I am extremely proud and encouraged by the Hawks so far this conference season. They were given the toughest opening Empire 8 schedule and they have risen to the occasion. They have been extremely competetive so far this season. The Hawks had both Alfred and Utica on the ropes and had the chance to win both games. For the first time since Paul Culpo reign at Hartwick, Rob Kornaker had to coach Fisher inorder to pull out the win. So another words, the Hawks have competed for all but one half so far this conference season.

What is rather impressive is the Hawks have been able to compete at the E8 level with majority of Freshmen and transfer student with no previous E8 experience on the roster. The talent level of the Hawks is dramatically increased. This speaks highly of Paul Culpo'a ability to recruit at the E8 level of basketball, especially given the constraints he is put under by the current nature of Hartwick.

The Hawks will only get better with time and player experience, I am looking forward to the next several years of Hawk basketball. Providing everyone stays at Hartwick for the next several years, Hartwick will once again be an elite E8 and reginal team.

As for this remainder of this season, look for the Hawks to continue to be very competetive and pull of some upsets!

Adios, I have a life outside of D3hoops.com. Do you?

Do you see where that competiviteness has gotten Hartwick? 0-3 in the Empire 8! No different than before.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 18, 2006, 12:14:42 pm

Adios, I have a life outside of D3hoops.com. Do you?

This coming from the guy who once admitted he thinks of Hartwick Hawks basketball as he lays in bed at night...undoubtedly alone.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 18, 2006, 02:13:40 pm
You know Hawk, just when I am ready to root for you, you talk too much.  I do think you can beat Ithaca and Elmira and it is obvious that you have gotten under the skin of most of the posters here, especially the Ithaca crew.  I mean they can't ever give you any props... but then you go on here and go nuts.  Try to win a game or 2 in the league will you!
As for your game versus Ithaca (which has taken on giant implications due to gobombers vow to never post again if Hartwick beats Ithaca) I almost want to see it more than Utica this weekend.
My predictions are 2 easy games for Utica this weekend.
30 versus Elmira
20 versus Ithaca



Peace
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 18, 2006, 03:44:41 pm
Hawk,
Is there anything else to say other than Hartwick is competitive- ooooo look out!
You were sasying early in the season that they were going to be force to be reckoned with.  All they are is a FARCE!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 18, 2006, 03:51:16 pm
You know Hawk, just when I am ready to root for you, you talk too much. I do think you can beat Ithaca and Elmira and it is obvious that you have gotten under the skin of most of the posters here, especially the Ithaca crew. I mean they can't ever give you any props... but then you go on here and go nuts. Try to win a game or 2 in the league will you!
As for your game versus Ithaca (which has taken on giant implications due to gobombers vow to never post again if Hartwick beats Ithaca) I almost want to see it more than Utica this weekend.
My predictions are 2 easy games for Utica this weekend.
30 versus Elmira
20 versus Ithaca



Peace

Clear, I believed I posted something to the effect that I'd never post again if either Hartwick won more than "5 or 6 games in conference" as one person predicted or if Hartwick made the E8 tourney as MadHawk implied. If you can find where I said otherwise, feel free to show me and I'd admit my mistake, but I still stand by my assertion that the Bombers should win that game by anywhere from 9-15 points. It's just a bad matchup for Hartwick.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on January 18, 2006, 05:11:56 pm
Saying a team is 'competitive' is like saying a girl has 'a nice personality.'

And that guy is saying it about his own team. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 18, 2006, 07:40:57 pm
big weekend for Fisher with 2 crosstown rivals in as many days. Hopefully the Cardinals can take care of business and come away with 2 wins...

Can we put some stuff to bed...Mad hawk, Hartwick is improved but still not very good...Clear, Utica is a good team, not 30 points better than anyone in the conference, and definatly not 20 better than Ithaca. When you are struggling to beat Hartwick, you really have to take a break on the talk of winning by 20-30.

Hopefully that will be the last that we hear about it....
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hoopfan17 on January 18, 2006, 09:56:03 pm
I hope Hartwick beats Ithaca this weekend so gobombers can get off his high horse and realize that Ithaca just isn't that good.  I don't see where you think it's a bad match up for Hartwick, maybe you can explain it to me?  I've been reading all the posts trying to keep my mouth shut, but I realized that everytime one of you guys is playing Hartwick I know the night before the game you are sitting in your rooms doing a little good luck dance and pray.  I'm waiting for Hartwick to win, not so much because I think they deserve it, but more because I can't wait to read these damn posts!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 18, 2006, 11:20:33 pm
Hoopfan, I need to get off my high horse? Where did I say the Bombers are a good team? Why let the truth get in the way of your story, right? I've said all along the Bombers are an average team whose only goal should be to make the E8 tourney and hope to pull an upset and sneak into the NCAA's.

Or am I on my "high horse" because I don't think Hartwick is that good? Well, their 0-3 conference record tends to agree with me. Or maybe I'm on a high horse because I remind SOME of the Utica fans that they can't talk trash when they haven't beaten anyone on the road in years. Or maybe you just don't like people who call it as they see it.

In the words of the immortal Puff Daddy/P-Diddy/Diddy, "you ain't gotta like me/you just mad cuz I tell it how it is/and you tell it how it might be."

Sorry about that, living in this "Chocolate City" is really getting to me.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 19, 2006, 07:43:30 am
GB15 - you live in Hershery P.a.?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 19, 2006, 09:28:07 am
Booyah Folks!

It's trivia Thursday.

What Empire 8 team has been the only team to lose to Hartwick in the past two seasons?

A. Fisher
B. Elmira
C. Utica
D. Alfred
E. Nazareth
F. RIT
E. Ithaca
















Answer: E (What is Ithaca)

Folks, thanks for playing triva by MadHawk. Have a nice day!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 19, 2006, 09:52:54 am
Booyah Folks!

It's trivia Thursday.

What Empire 8 team has been the only team to lose to Hartwick in the past two seasons?

A. Fisher
B. Elmira
C. Utica
D. Alfred
E. Nazareth
F. RIT
E. Ithaca

Answer: E (What is Ithaca)

Folks, thanks for playing triva by MadHawk. Have a nice day!


That two E's for answers had to be a joke, right? Or is it a case of knowing your alphabet up to F and having to go back around?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 19, 2006, 09:56:00 am
Budcrew,
Don't worry, I'm sure that his gpa is good enough to keep hime around for at least 1 more semester! :D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 19, 2006, 10:14:53 am
Booyah Folks!  ---The Corrected Version---

It's trivia Thursday.

What Empire 8 team has been the only team to lose to Hartwick in the past two seasons?

A. Fisher
B. Elmira
C. Utica
D. Alfred
E. Nazareth
F. RIT
G. Ithaca
















Answer: G (What is Ithaca)

Folks, thanks for playing triva by MadHawk. Have a nice day!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 19, 2006, 10:22:22 am
Hey mad-
Don't you get tired of talking like Stuart Scott?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 19, 2006, 10:23:01 am
*funky 70's music*
*cheesy announcer radio voice*
It's time for another edition of Trivia Thursday! Here's your host, budcrew08!

Welcome to Trivia Thursday, the game show admired by D3 hoops fans all over the world!

Here's today's trivia question:

What is Hartwick's Empire 8 conference record in the last 4 seasons (including the start of this one)?

A. 28-16
B. 22-22
C. 14-30
D. 10-34
E. 5-39















If you guessed E. you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!! *bells and whistles go off*
If you guessed A or B, you are either delusional or Mad Hawk, although I'm not sure there's much of a difference.


*funky 70s music*
That's all the time we have today! Thanks for playing along with TRIVIA THURSDAY!
*music-outro* ba-ba- baba- ba

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 19, 2006, 11:04:30 am
MadHawk, Budcrew, I'd like to thank you both for the massive amount of whitespace you both have been using in your messages, the scroll-button on my mouse just wasn't getting it's proper amount of exercise.

As for the games this weekend, it will take a hurculean effort by Naz or RIT to defeat Fisher at home.  Fisher has consecutive win streaks of 5 over both teams, although it's been 3 full seasons since Naz beat them (Fisher took 4 games from RIT last year alone).  For the Tigers to win they'll have to have a great shooting night, something they have been unable to do at Fisher.

Look for Alfred to take care of Naz on Friday night.  Ithaca will squeak by Hartwick as well.  Utica/Ithaca will probably be a better game at the Bulb, and I'll take Utica by 8-10.

That leaves us with the game we've been waiting for all season... The Mighty Hartwick Hawks looking for their signature win against those feisty Elmira Soaring Eagles.  Should be riveting.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 19, 2006, 11:08:30 am
Elmira - Hartwick
Wow it doesn't get any better than that!

Sorta like a Monday night game between the Arizona Cards and the Detroit Lions!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 19, 2006, 12:08:38 pm
MadHawk, Budcrew, I'd like to thank you both for the massive amount of whitespace you both have been using in your messages, the scroll-button on my mouse just wasn't getting it's proper amount of exercise.

As for the games this weekend, it will take a hurculean effort by Naz or RIT to defeat Fisher at home.  Fisher has consecutive win streaks of 5 over both teams, although it's been 3 full seasons since Naz beat them (Fisher took 4 games from RIT last year alone).  For the Tigers to win they'll have to have a great shooting night, something they have been unable to do at Fisher.

Look for Alfred to take care of Naz on Friday night.  Ithaca will squeak by Hartwick as well.  Utica/Ithaca will probably be a better game at the Bulb, and I'll take Utica by 8-10.

That leaves us with the game we've been waiting for all season... The Mighty Hartwick Hawks looking for their signature win against those feisty Elmira Soaring Eagles.  Should be riveting.

Bamm, that was part of my goof on Mad Hawk's post.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 19, 2006, 12:21:19 pm
Fisheralum, New Orleans is now "chocolate city" according to Mayor Nagin. I'm surprised you didn't pick up on that one, it's been all over the news lately. A democrat hasn't worked this hard to blow his campaign since...John Kerry.

In continuing my quest to pick the score of a game perfectly, here are my predictions for this weekend (home team in CAPS):

Friday
FISHER over Rit, 82-65.
ALFRED over Naz, 80-69.
Ithaca over HARTWICK, 66-52.
UTICA over Elmira, 81-57.

Saturday
FISHER over Naz, 84-62
Rit over ALFRED, 67-65 *upset special
Elmira over HARTWICK, 69-68
UTICA over Ithaca, 70-63

I can't wait for Clear to come on here and talk junk only to realize I picked Utica to win, anyways. Fisher should handle its two opponents this weekend in the friendly confines of Varsity Gym. I'm fine with a split this weekend for the Bombers. The way I see it, if Ithaca gets 3 road wins in the conference, they're virtually guaranteed to make the E8 tourney. A win at Hartwick will  put them at 2-0 on the road in conference.

Right now, I think it's a battle between Naz/Alfred/RIT for the 4th seed in the tourney. Alfred is probably the favorite, but they always do something to screw things up for themselves. Alfred is very talented but I'm not sure if it's the fact that they're not well-coached or they don't play well together as a team that always ends up being their downfall. They'll really be behind the 8-ball if they don't sweep this weekend, being 1-3 with five more games against Fisher/Utica/Ithaca.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 19, 2006, 12:32:11 pm
Fisheralum, New Orleans is now "chocolate city" according to Mayor Nagin. I'm surprised you didn't pick up on that one, it's been all over the news lately. A democrat hasn't worked this hard to blow his campaign since...John Kerry.

In continuing my quest to pick the score of a game perfectly, here are my predictions for this weekend (home team in CAPS):

Friday
FISHER over Rit, 82-65.
ALFRED over Naz, 80-69.
Ithaca over HARTWICK, 66-52.
UTICA over Elmira, 81-57.

Saturday
FISHER over Naz, 84-62
Rit over ALFRED, 67-65 *upset special
Elmira over HARTWICK, 69-68
UTICA over Ithaca, 70-63

I can't wait for Clear to come on here and talk junk only to realize I picked Utica to win, anyways. Fisher should handle its two opponents this weekend in the friendly confines of Varsity Gym. I'm fine with a split this weekend for the Bombers. The way I see it, if Ithaca gets 3 road wins in the conference, they're virtually guaranteed to make the E8 tourney. A win at Hartwick will  put them at 2-0 on the road in conference.

Right now, I think it's a battle between Naz/Alfred/RIT for the 4th seed in the tourney. Alfred is probably the favorite, but they always do something to screw things up for themselves. Alfred is very talented but I'm not sure if it's the fact that they're not well-coached or they don't play well together as a team that always ends up being their downfall. They'll really be behind the 8-ball if they don't sweep this weekend, being 1-3 with five more games against Fisher/Utica/Ithaca.



I think that's a good pick on the Utica/Ithaca game, the score as well. It should be pretty close (say tied or within 2 with three minutes to go, but Utica pulls away a bit in the end.)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 19, 2006, 12:56:59 pm
Budcrew --
Bamm, that was part of my goof on Mad Hawk's post.

I know.  Don't take me too seriously, and please continue with the rips on MadHawk.   :)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 19, 2006, 01:40:34 pm
GB15,
I knew about NO I was goofing around!
Good picks BTW!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 19, 2006, 03:11:13 pm
Guys get a grip.  I am a passionate fane and hopeful too.  I think we are going to win 2 easy games this week.  We shall see.

GBomber you may be right, I don't remember exactly what you said, but if Hartwick did beat you guys it would be so exciting to see Mad Hawk go crazy and no matter what you say, I know it would be killing you.  Plus it would put them one win closer to the 5 mark that you have clearly put out there.

Good luck this weekend to everyone except those teams playing Utica.

Later
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tecmobowler on January 19, 2006, 05:01:57 pm
Mayor Nagin is the worst politician I have ever seen. Brutal.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 19, 2006, 05:09:53 pm
"God must be angry with New Orleans"
HUH!
This is your mayor?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 19, 2006, 06:29:09 pm
Fisheralum, New Orleans is now "chocolate city" according to Mayor Nagin. I'm surprised you didn't pick up on that one, it's been all over the news lately. A democrat hasn't worked this hard to blow his campaign since...John Kerry.

In continuing my quest to pick the score of a game perfectly, here are my predictions for this weekend (home team in CAPS):

Friday
FISHER over Rit, 82-65.
ALFRED over Naz, 80-69.
Ithaca over HARTWICK, 66-52.
UTICA over Elmira, 81-57.

Saturday
FISHER over Naz, 84-62
Rit over ALFRED, 67-65 *upset special
Elmira over HARTWICK, 69-68
UTICA over Ithaca, 70-63

I can't wait for Clear to come on here and talk junk only to realize I picked Utica to win, anyways. Fisher should handle its two opponents this weekend in the friendly confines of Varsity Gym. I'm fine with a split this weekend for the Bombers. The way I see it, if Ithaca gets 3 road wins in the conference, they're virtually guaranteed to make the E8 tourney. A win at Hartwick will  put them at 2-0 on the road in conference.

Right now, I think it's a battle between Naz/Alfred/RIT for the 4th seed in the tourney. Alfred is probably the favorite, but they always do something to screw things up for themselves. Alfred is very talented but I'm not sure if it's the fact that they're not well-coached or they don't play well together as a team that always ends up being their downfall. They'll really be behind the 8-ball if they don't sweep this weekend, being 1-3 with five more games against Fisher/Utica/Ithaca.



I like most of your picks. However, I think Hartwick will beat Elmira by 9 in a low scoring affair. It should be another fun weekend of conference play.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 19, 2006, 08:37:02 pm
big news for fisher's home court http://www.sjfc.edu/athletics/press_releases/MBK01-19-06.pdf
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 19, 2006, 10:04:03 pm
Mayor Nagin is the worst politician I have ever seen. Brutal.

I agree. He'll likely still win re-election because New Orleans is such a poor city. That, of course, is provided a large part of his constituency returns to New Orleans, as the poorer sections of the city really took it on the chin. But what do I know, I'm just one of those "white people from Uptown" as he refers to us as.

He admitted that during his now infamous "chocolate city" speech where he said Katrina was God's way of punishing the black population for fighting with each other, that he "sometimes forgets" that he's not talking to only the 50 or so people gathered at City Hall. He actually didn't realize that the cameras there would take this message to more people than just the ones there at the speech. He really is an idiot.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 20, 2006, 07:02:24 am
Didn't I say that earlier? :D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 20, 2006, 02:50:37 pm

GBomber you may be right, I don't remember exactly what you said, but if Hartwick did beat you guys it would be so exciting to see Mad Hawk go crazy and no matter what you say, I know it would be killing you. Plus it would put them one win closer to the 5 mark that you have clearly put out there.

Good luck this weekend to everyone except those teams playing Utica.

I don't know if seeing Mad Hawk would be "exciting." I think the word "nauseating" does come to mind, though. Would it bother me if Ithaca lost to Hartwick? Of course. However, it would be more bothersome in the sense that it would be a sad testament to Ithaca's ability to win away from The Bulb, even against obviously inferior teams. If they do lose, I'll drown my sorrows in about 14 Hand Grenades in the Quarter tonight. I don't think that's going to happen, though. It's really a case of two teams whose seasons are heading in opposite directions right now.

We all know Mad Hawk is going to talk some smack if Hartwick leads at all in this game. We also know he's going to have some stupid excuse ready. Something to the effect of "the talent levels were similar, Hartwick may have even had more, but the Bombers had more experience and the better team lost tonight." I'm so used to his posts at this point, that will be the crux of it.

I'd have to give "Game of the Week" status to Saturday's Ithaca @ Utica game, though I must admit that I think RIT @ Alfred is the biggest in terms of who has the inside track at the #4 seed.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 20, 2006, 05:19:11 pm
For once I have to disagree with you when ever you put Fisher and Naz into a gym it gets intresting and merits game  of the week no matter how much better fisher is
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 20, 2006, 06:41:28 pm
I don't think our game with Itahca will be that close.  It is Fisher and us in a 2 horse race.
As for Alfred Rit being the game I don't see it.  RIT is not very good!  This league has 2 legit teams.  Us and Fisher.

Gotta go see us Hang a 50 pt wallop on Elmira.

Peace
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 20, 2006, 07:23:23 pm
For once I have to disagree with you when ever you put Fisher and Naz into a gym it gets intresting and merits game of the week no matter how much better fisher is

I agree with you in that if I could pick one game I'd want to attend this weekend, it would be that one based purely on the atmosphere surrounding the game. Ok, and to be honest, to hopefully see someone get decked. It doesn't matter if it's a fan or player or assistant coach.

I made my comment based on the game with the two most talented teams on the same floor(Ithaca v Utica) and the game with the most implications(RIT v. Alfred). I'm headed out now, hopefully I don't come home to a Bomber L to Hartwick. I'd never live that down.

LET'S GO BOMBERS!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 20, 2006, 09:58:07 pm
Fisher takes care of RIT big time, it was never really a game
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 20, 2006, 10:25:17 pm
Surprising absolutely nobody, Utica wastes the Elmira Crawling Eagles 86-46.  Fisher, as noted above by Superman57, keeps pace with a 76-55 home win over RIT.

Still awaiting finals from Naz-Alfred and IC-Hartwick.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 20, 2006, 10:30:22 pm
According to E8.com, Naz beats Alfred 89-74.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 20, 2006, 10:53:09 pm
Ithica 67 Hartwick 58 according to E8.com.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 20, 2006, 10:57:11 pm
Bombers win 67-58.  21 points for Jim Bellis.  No boxscore to peruse yet, but that was  A LOT closer than I wanted it/thought it was going to be.  I'll take it though.

Despite the identical winless records for 'Wick and EC, Mad Hawk evidently is right about the whole competitiveness thing.  Hartwick is playing teams the whole 40 minutes while Elmira, in typical Elmira fashion, doesn't appear to give a damn.  They might go winless this year; I'm calling the Hartwick win tomorrow right now.

Tomorrow's Ithaca-Utica clash will reveal a lot about where these two stand.  Sorry but this has to be the mythical E8 Game of the Day over Fisher undoubtedly whomping Naz, rivalry or no.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 21, 2006, 12:02:29 am
Caz, the Ithaca game wasn't as close as it looked. Look at the play-by-play at the bottom of the box score, Ithaca had a double-digit lead the entire 2nd half. The Bombers were leading 59-41 with 2:45 remaining. Tonight's game was the very definition of a "comfortable win." I'm sure MadHawk will come in here and do his best to portray this is a close game, when that was not the case at all.

I wish I could say the IC/UC game tomorrow is important, but don't we all know that those two teams are gonna be the #2 vs #3 game at Fisher during E8 tourney weekend? What's really at stake here besides which team is going to wear the home uniforms on a neutral court (even if that's undecided because IC will beat Utica in The Bulb).

Surprise of the Night: Naz pasting Alfred by 15 at  Alfred. Wow. It looks like the loser of the RIT/Alfred game will be in big trouble. Picture this: If Naz loses at Fisher(likely), Hartwick beats Elmira(probable) and RIT knocks off Alfred(within the realm of possibility), then Hartwick will be tied for the #4 seed. Look out for those Hawks!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 21, 2006, 02:09:47 am
My apologies for not keeping up with the conversation.

Yes, indeed, D3hoops.com was blamed in the local newspaper for the fan behavior at that game. I had a less-than-pleasant e-mail exchange with the reporter afterwards about blaming the messenger.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 21, 2006, 09:06:33 am
Booyah Folks

Last night was "Bad Officiating Night" at Binder Gynasium on the Hartwick College Campus

I have NEVER spectated a collegiate basketball contest as poorly officiated as last nights Hartwick vs. Ithaca game.

The pathetic officiating crew was:
James Toomey
Gary Nicoll
Timothy Harris

First off, I question whether or not these three clowns are actually collegiate officials . It really seemed they came from the local Holiday Inn Express or the Russian School  of Judging. I would love to know what these guys scored on their officiating certification tests.

I think it if safe to say that these officials never had control of the game. The job of the officials is to make sure the game is in control and no team gets the advantage by fouling. Well, last nights officials did the exact opposite.  If it wasn't for some bad calls against Ithaca, I would have accused Ithaca of paying off the officials.

There were 225 spectators at last nights game, which the officials were clearly overwhelmed with. It is clear the fans allowed the fans to get under their skin and blow the game.

Paul Culpo, had two marginal technicals called against him and he was ejected. Which means he will not be coaching today against Elmira.

I sure hope Chuck Mitrano has the oppourtunity to watch the tape of the game and see the horrific officiating that took place.

It is a shame bad officating dictated the game.

I will save the actual Hartwick/Ithaca game analysis for a later post. I don't like posting on game days, however, last night's pathetic officiating need to be addressed immediately.

Ciao for now
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 21, 2006, 09:55:01 am
C'mon Madhawk, just give Ithaca their due. They'd beat Hartick handily if they played them anywhere. Sure, the officials may have been bad, but don't assume that was the difference in the game. Ithaca had an 18-point lead with under 3 minutes to play; that's not officiating. It wouldn't have even been that close if Ithaca could shoot FT's(16-29 from the stripe).

Instead of complaining about the officials, maybe you should blame your defense for allowing IC to shoot 50% from the field. Or maybe you should blame your shooters for shooting under 40% from the field. Or maybe you can point to the fact you couldn't stop Ithaca's one consistent scoring threat.

If it was a back-and-forth game, your complaint about officiating would have more validity. We've talked about D3 refs in this room before so you should know what to expect going into it. Ithaca's a significantly better team than 'Wick is right now. Truth.

However, IC needs to shoot FT's better if they want a chance today. I have a feeling Ithaca will be gunning some 3's today so hopefully they're falling. I still think Utica wins by 5-8 points.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 21, 2006, 11:48:52 am
Hey madhawk-
C'mon now- spectated?
I "spectate" you won't be at wick long with that writing style!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 21, 2006, 01:05:10 pm
As predicted we pummeled Elmira.  Ithaca's next!  Looking forward to establishing who is the 2nd place team today.  I figure we win by 15-20 pts.

Guys take it easy on MadHawk, to his credit while he did cry about the refs he didn't say that Ithaca wasn't the better team etc.  I think that is progress for him.
Plus can you imagine how nervous he is today?  I mean if they lose today he may never come back to this board.
After watching Elmira yesterday they are really bad.  The Hawks are favored today.

Later
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 21, 2006, 01:45:18 pm
Anyone at the game have any idea what the reason for the technical called on RIT was?  It occured after RIT forward Fran Snyder was fouled on a drive and was headed to the line.  Immediately after the foul the buzzer blew a few times erratically, the refs huddled up, and the next thing I saw was Sean O'Brien shooting free throws.  The noise in the crowd made it impossible to hear the PA announcer where I was at.  Anyone?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 21, 2006, 05:39:38 pm
If I understand right, the Utica game will not be played at Utica College today. There is a power outage on campus. It will be played at Suny IT.

A "home" game at Suny IT for UC is almost like Naz playing a "home" game at Fisher.


I am unable to attend the game today because I had surgery. Sounds like I may not be able to get it on the radio either.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 21, 2006, 05:57:48 pm
First off Bamm I was at the game too and couldn't figure out who it was called on.  Next congrats to Naz for sneaking one out 62-60.  Fisher did not play well.  But the game winning basket was scored with no time remaining.  I hope that the league will look at the tape and discipline the referee who made the call.  Fisher had the chance to win, but McSweeny could not hit two foulshots with 8 seconds left.  So on that note congrats to Naz on an amazing game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 21, 2006, 06:29:23 pm
Wow, what got into Naz this weekend? Beating Alfred on the road by 15 and upsetting Fisher in Varsity Gym. Looks like we know who will be the fourth team in the E8 Tourney.

Hartwick wins!! The Hawks beat Elmira at home today, 65-54. It's Hartwick's second win in the last three years.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on January 21, 2006, 06:41:32 pm
Utica beat Ithaca by 13 I believe it ended up being.  The change of location makes stats unavailable but UC definitely won by double digits.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on January 21, 2006, 06:49:22 pm
RIT over Alfred 79-76 in OT according to the Empire 8 site. No box score at either school's site right now.

Naz over SJF...wow. Naz has some talented players, but I never would have guessed that would happen, at least at SJF.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 21, 2006, 06:50:24 pm
first off I was looking at the tape and it did not go in. second off read an entire post before you start getting all glorious, the first thing I said was Naz deserved to win that game, so get a grip
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Cards23 on January 21, 2006, 06:53:41 pm
I have been following the posts and decided to answer a few of your questions for you.

About the technical fould at Fisher vs RIT.  It was given to RIT because there was no #23 in the official scorebook. They had him in as #40 along with RIT's book.  Thye forgot to change his number in the book with there home and away jerseys.

I was at the Fisher vs Naz game as well and I believe that the officials got the call right and counted the basket.  Congrats to Naz on a good win.  Thye played a good game and Fisher didn't really show up and play.  If you would have told me before the game that Caswell Smith would play only five minutes (injury) and that Bennett would hold Canori to only four points.  I would have almost gaurenteed a Fisher win but Naz played good defense and Fisher turned the ball over to many times.  Good weekend for Naz.  Fisher should be able to rebound and beat Alfred on Tuesday.  
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 21, 2006, 07:04:23 pm
Utica beat Ithaca by 13 I believe it ended up being. The change of location makes stats unavailable but UC definitely won by double digits.

That's fine. Ithaca will probably beat them by the same amount in Ithaca, just like they do every year. The Bombers always lose at Utica then handle them in Ithaca. Good win for Utica, though.

As to Clear's statement about "we'll find out who the real 2nd place team is today," who gave you the right to unilaterally decide it would be today's game that decided that. What about the Utica/Ithaca game at The Bulb in February. Maybe that's the game to determine 2nd place.

Like I said before, today's Ithaca/Utica game is only important in determing who would likely wear the home unis at the E8 tourney when Ithaca plays Utica. I'm just happy that game will be in Rochester, because we all know how the Pioneers play in The Land of Garbage Plates.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on January 21, 2006, 07:18:49 pm
first off, let me congratulate Nazareth on the win. I thought there was no chance in the world that they would win with Canori being put in a straight jacket by the Defense by Nick Bennett and Caswell Smith hurting his ankle. Don't know if it was cramps or an ankle injury. The key to the game was free throw shooting and Fisher couldn't put Naz away when they had the chance. As to whether the final shot was good, it doesn't matter now. There is still a LONG LONG way to go in the EMPIRE 8 season and both teams play one more time on the final game of the season. It was a great game. Some of the post game reaction by the Naz players was very disconcerning. They were giving the finger to the Fisher Fans and throwing their jerseys. I did go to Fisher but those things should not happen at a basketball and everyone else here would agree with me on that.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 21, 2006, 08:45:43 pm
I do have to agree with you on the after game celebration.  There is always a line and this one time Naz did not know how to win elequently.  I was sitting next to a girl who went to high school with the kid who was giving everybody the middle finger, She was really upset about it.  During the whole game there were a few naz fans who were giving the fisher student section different types of obscence gestures.  Now on that note the Fisher student section has never and will never be a nice place to sit.  But they do have respect and a tight leash, as in when a bull**** chant started the AD was right there telling us to cut it out.  I really wish people in all sorts of sports new how to win.  This was a great game to watch, right down to the very end, but we need to know how to celebrate and how to not.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 21, 2006, 11:19:10 pm
I guess the Utica game was played at Mohawk Valley CC. The womens game was played at SUNY IT.

Another crazy weekend of conference play in the books.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 21, 2006, 11:29:10 pm
GB15 -  Be careful about the "we all know who the 4th team will be" conclusion.  RIT has only lost to Ithaca and Fisher, and although it was out of conference schedule, they beat Naz.  Alfred has dug their hole pretty deep at this point (losses at home to Naz and RIT), so I'm thinking the winner of the RIT/Naz series is that 4 seed.  First game is at RIT on Tuesday.

I'm not quite ready to anoint Ithaca the 3 seed yet, either.  They've gotten off to a solid start, but their real test comes during a 5 game stretch in February ( @Naz, @RIT, @Alfred, @Fisher, Utica ).  They'll need a couple wins out of that group to grab the 3 seed, I think.

As to the Naz/Fisher game -- wow.  Last night I had a conversation with Tigerfan2 and we both agreed that Naz had a great shot at beating Fisher next year, but neither of us ever considered the possibility that there would be an upset this season. 

And as to the "rude gesturing"... shouldn't that be cause for celebration?  Relative to the bench-clearing brawls, I mean? 

A few of the kids in the Fisher student section are annoying enough that they deserve to be harassed after the Cards go down anyway.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bearseh on January 22, 2006, 03:05:10 am

A few of the kids in the Fisher student section are annoying enough that they deserve to be harassed after the Cards go down anyway.



Indeed. Only time last year I heard fans loudly boo the opponent coming out for pre-game were the Fisher fans in Amherst. That being said, the harrassment should never come from players.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 22, 2006, 04:50:08 am
I do have to agree with you on the after game celebration. There is always a line and this one time Naz did not know how to win elequently. I was sitting next to a girl who went to high school with the kid who was giving everybody the middle finger, She was really upset about it. During the whole game there were a few naz fans who were giving the fisher student section different types of obscence gestures. Now on that note the Fisher student section has never and will never be a nice place to sit. But they do have respect and a tight leash, as in when a bull**** chant started the AD was right there telling us to cut it out. I really wish people in all sorts of sports new how to win. This was a great game to watch, right down to the very end, but we need to know how to celebrate and how to not.

Superman, I like you. I think you're a level-headed Fisher poster who usually makes good points. However, I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you about how "respectful" the Cardinal Crazies are. On more than one occasion I have heard several people scream racial epithets within earshot of security or administrators. For instance, a couple of years ago when Ithaca was visiting Fisher and a section of the Crazies began an "Osama Bin Laden" chant for Ithaca player Tariq Ahmad; no doubt referring to his ethnicity. Later that same year in the E8 tourney, I overheard Crazies yelling "Milato cookie" and "Halfrican" at Jon Whetstone. I understand this only SOME of this group and may not be representative of all the student fans, but don't play this off like Fisher fans are Angels. They basically incited a brawl two years ago!

I give credit to the Crazies for making Fisher such a tough place to play. I'm sure most D3 teams would love to have the atmosphere Fisher does. That still does not change the fact that many of the "Crazies" are there to do nothing more than belittle opponents and take potshots at opposing players.

Was the Naz kid wrong for flicking off the Fisher student section? Absolutely. Will he hear about it the next time these two teams play? Definitely. Did his true colors come shining through there? Yes. But I'll be honest, assuming what those guys undoubtedly heard from the student section today, I'm not sure I would have had the self-control to stop myself from doing the same thing.

That's my stance on that issue. In other news, looks like Brian Joe didn't play for Ithaca today. I hope he isn't injured too badly.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 22, 2006, 08:29:04 am
Um, I know I went out last night - but did I read the paper wrong- Fisher lost?
Ouch!
That's going to hurt!
Oh, well at least it wasn't Georgetown!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 22, 2006, 09:47:19 am
GBomber you are right!  We shouldn't take for granted who will be second because we still could be 1st and the tourny may very well be in Utica baby.  We absolutely dominated you yesterday.  The score wasn't as close as it looked.  And we did it on a neutral floor.  Ray Bryant as I have stated earlier is the best player in the league.  Everybody keeps talking about Cichon but Bryant is our best player and the best player in the league.  He is a man amongst boys.  Just ask your Ithaca players - they had no way of stopping him.
Than you NAZ WHOOOOOHOOOOO - now it is back to even.

And MadHawk - congrats to you too!  Hey with a few more wins people will stop picking on you!!!!!!!

Peace
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 22, 2006, 11:05:27 am
Wow, just got back from Rochester and what a dissapointing end to the weekend.

After taking care of the South Henrietta Institute of Technology, to lose to Naz like that...damn.

It was a great game, but Fisher didn't play very well. Didn't shoot the ball well at all, and really went away from what was working (Mcsweeny, and Beigle) for a long stretch in the 2nd half.
Can't take anything away from Naz, they played well and hit the shots that they needed to.
Still not to worried, Fisher should still win the league. The RIT/Naz weekend is always a really tough one. That is 2 pretty intense games in less than 24 hours.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on January 22, 2006, 11:13:16 am
McSweeney is the convienent scapegoat for missing the 2 FT's, but Fisher couldn't shoot from the line all night. And #50 from Naz (don't know his name off hand, although I probably should from how many times HE was at the line) killed us, especially from the line....automatic.

The only positive that came from that game is how much Bennett and Co. shut down Canori.....1-12 for 4 points (all on one play)??? Yuck.

I agree with this...
Naz had a great shot at beating Fisher next year, but neither of us ever considered the possibility that there would be an upset this season.
I even had told the people I was with that Naz was much improved and would probably even give us a fight....but didn't see THIS coming.

And as far as the T against RIT....I saw the ref actually make the call, but like everyone else, didn't know who it was actually against.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on January 22, 2006, 11:44:19 am
Many people talk about how the Fisher or Naz fans behave, but I can tell you right now I've never seen a better fan base for any of the other schools in he E-8. You couldn't here your self think. It was great! Yes Bennett did do a great job on Canori. A matter of fact the four points Canori got came when another player was covering him. I can't wait for the game at Naz. Fisher just took Naz to lightly next time Fisher should take it.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 22, 2006, 12:47:17 pm
GB15, I'm refering to the Crazies post the brawl, because before the brawl they were out of control, then after the brawl when admistration took moore control they have gotten better.  I mean Bamm was at the game on friday, while there are a few who could be called annoying they never crossed a line of being disrespective to the other team,
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 22, 2006, 01:18:27 pm
GBomber you are right! We shouldn't take for granted who will be second because we still could be 1st and the tourny may very well be in Utica baby. We absolutely dominated you yesterday. The score wasn't as close as it looked. And we did it on a neutral floor. Ray Bryant as I have stated earlier is the best player in the league. Everybody keeps talking about Cichon but Bryant is our best player and the best player in the league. He is a man amongst boys. Just ask your Ithaca players - they had no way of stopping him.
Than you NAZ WHOOOOOHOOOOO - now it is back to even.

And MadHawk - congrats to you too! Hey with a few more wins people will stop picking on you!!!!!!!

Peace

Wait, Utica as the top seed? What did I miss here? Doesn't that first require Utica to be able to beat Fisher, something it's obvious they can't do? And let's not put the cart before the horse, I'm not even sure Utica can beat the "average" teams in the league on the road. The way Naz is playing right now, next Friday night may be a tough game for the Pioneers. On Saturday, Utica plays at RIT, somewhere they haven't won since the Clinton administration. I'd be very surprised if Utica goes 2-0 next weekend.

As for your comments about the Ithaca game, talk all you want. Utica always beats the Bombers by double digits in Utica, then Ithaca returns the favor(usually by more points) when the game is at Ithaca. How can you say the game wasn't "as close as it looked?" It was 54-47 with 6 minutes to go. If anything, doesn't that suggest it was CLOSER than it looked. Ithaca also played without its top 3-point shooter. Not saying that would have been the difference, but it certainly woulda made things closer. I'm pumped to see if Utica can actually beat a competent team on the road this year.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on January 22, 2006, 05:33:12 pm
A tough weekend for my Saxons. Dropping games to Naz and RIT (OT) at McLane. And THEN traveling to Fisher on Tuesday? OUCH! Let's hope the Saxons can pull themselves together to give Fisher a game.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 22, 2006, 06:26:55 pm
I hope that Fisher come to play against Alfred, if they do then I don't see much of a chance for Alfred, but if fisher plays how they did against Naz then this could be a long season
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 22, 2006, 08:40:16 pm
"Wait, Utica as the top seed? What did I miss here? Doesn't that first require Utica to be able to beat Fisher, something it's obvious they can't do? "

Actually, Utica beat themselves against Fisher this year. Utica is the more talented team.

The last team in conference to beat Fisher before last night was Utica. That same season Fisher only beat them by 3 at home to win the tournament.

Last year, Fisher beat Utica by one point. Utica has improved many times over from last year, and Fisher has declined.

I know a few guys on Fisher, and talk to them quite often. The last 3 years they have told me the same thing: Utica is the only team that gets them nervous.

Utica getting the number 1 seed is not at all far fetched. You can't even begin to compare this team to past teams as far as their attitude and ability on the road. In the past Utica relied on one or two guys. This year they have at least 10 that they can go to. Almost every night they have 4-6 guys in double figures.

They didn't play well at Hartwick, so what? Hartwick came in hyped up like they were playing Duke, and Utica came in hyped up like they were playing in gym class against the chess team. Nazareth, who is 6-9, beat a Fisher team, who despite the rivalry, probably didnt take them serious either. Utica learned not to sleep on anybody, as you could see in their next game against Elmira. Fisher fans had better hope Fisher reacts the same way, or they may lose to another conference team as well.

Utica has learned to take it one game at a time, are getting better each game, and are finally starting to get the concept of every team being nameless and faceless, and worrying about their own game. They are finally becoming a mature enough team to understand that if they play their game and don't beat themselves, they should win.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 22, 2006, 10:14:25 pm
I have no doubt that Utica can beat Fisher.  The Naz win this weekend put to bed any notion that the Cardinals are untouchable.  However, I'm in agreement with GB15 that no one should consider Utica the favorite in the conference until they prove they can win on the road, and specifically in Rochester. 

They have not beaten either RIT or Fisher on the road in at least 3 years (I didn't bother looking back further).  To take down the 1 seed they will probably have to beat them both.  And it's not as if Utica hasn't been talented.  I think all GB15 is saying is "prove it," which is entirely appropriate given the Pioneers history.

They have a nine day stretch that goes @Naz, @RIT, @Alfred, @Fisher.  If they win the first 3, the final game at Fisher should be for the regular season championship.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 22, 2006, 10:21:17 pm
Current Standings:

Utica4-1
Ithaca4-1
Naz3-1
Fisher3-1
RIT2-2
Alfred1-3

I won't list Hartwick because they don't matter and it will piss MadHawk off.

Alfred couldn't hold serve at home and it will take some road wins to have a shot at that #4 seed.  Nazareth got that big win over Fisher and has the early lead for the #4 spot.  Biggest games this year will probably be Ithaca @ Naz, Ithaca @ RIT, RIT @Naz, and this Tuesday's Naz @ RIT.  Those 3 will be fighting it out for the last two tourney spots.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 22, 2006, 10:39:07 pm
I have no doubt that Utica can beat Fisher.  The Naz win this weekend put to bed any notion that the Cardinals are untouchable.  However, I'm in agreement with GB15 that no one should consider Utica the favorite in the conference until they prove they can win on the road, and specifically in Rochester. 

They have not beaten either RIT or Fisher on the road in at least 3 years (I didn't bother looking back further).  To take down the 1 seed they will probably have to beat them both.  And it's not as if Utica hasn't been talented.  I think all GB15 is saying is "prove it," which is entirely appropriate given the Pioneers history.

They have a nine day stretch that goes @Naz, @RIT, @Alfred, @Fisher.  If they win the first 3, the final game at Fisher should be for the regular season championship.



I'm not saying that Utica is the favorite. There is no favorite. But to suggest that they can't beat Fisher is a little off the wall.

This is not your typical Utica team folks. The attitude is better than they have had there in about a decade when they started out something like 16-0.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 22, 2006, 11:07:53 pm
BAMM, where were you sitting at the Fisher RIT game.  on a side note two big games comming up for Fisher home against Alfred and at the Bulb in Ithica, I hopefully will be at the Ithica games, but these are big games for all three teams, if Fisher is able to win both it makes them that much closer to possibly getting the number 1 seed
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 23, 2006, 12:15:25 am
After all of the discussion of student sections after this weekend I'm just wondering who everybody feels has the best
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on January 23, 2006, 12:26:46 am
GB15...I have preliminary plans to be at the Bulb this weekend. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 23, 2006, 12:43:35 am
gotta love the fan who voted for hartwick. ;D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 23, 2006, 08:19:44 am
BAMM, where were you sitting at the Fisher RIT game. on a side note two big games comming up for Fisher home against Alfred and at the Bulb in Ithica, I hopefully will be at the Ithica games, but these are big games for all three teams, if Fisher is able to win both it makes them that much closer to possibly getting the number 1 seed

I sat few rows up above the Fisher bench.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 23, 2006, 12:10:10 pm
Booyah Folks!

Active weekend in the Empire 8 this past weekend!

The Scores:

Friday night:

RIT 55, Fisher 76
Ithaca 67, Hartwick 58
Nazareth 89, Alfred 74
Elmira 46, Utica 86

Saturday

Nazareth 62, Fisher 60
RIT 79, Alfred 76 OT
Elmira 54, Hartwick 65
Ithaca 57, Utica 70

Before I continue, I would like to drop another Booyah (for old times sake)

Empire 8 winning percentages going into this past Friday night:

Fisher -->11-2 (.846)
Utica --> 10-2 (.833)
Alfred -->7-6 (.538)
RIT --> 7-6 (.538)
Ithaca --> 6-6 (.500)
Hartwick --> 6-8 (.428)
Nazareth --> 4-9 (307)
Elmira --> 3-11 (.214)

Empire 8 winning percentages going into after this past Friday night:


  Utica  12-2 (.857)
  Fisher  12-3 (.800)
  RIT      8-7   (.533)
  Ithaca  7-7   (.500)
  Alfred  7-8  (.467)
  Hartwick  7-9 (.438)
  Nazareth  6-9 (.400)
  Elmira      3-13 (.188)



The Empire 8 team of the weekend is no doubt Nazareth, for their wins against Alfred and the mighty Fisher Cardinals. It is important to point out that Nazareth has the second youngest starting 5 in the conference and they sport the second lowest overall winning percentage. It is safe to say that not many Empire 8 fans picked Nazareth to pull off the two upsets this weekend. Nazareth's wins this weekend is a clear indication that 1) Fisher is beatable 2) the lower tier teams in the conference (Alfred, Elmira, Nazareth, Hartwick) can be successful and compete in the conference. This next week is a pivotal week for the Golden Flyers.




As for Hartwick, big win this weekend in their effort to save the season and their run for elite hood in the Empire 8 (top four). First off, the Hawks gave an ok (not great) effort on Friday night against Ithaca. While Ithaca won, I am now convinced that their win was aided by the Zebras largely one sided officiating. Given the flow and events of the game a 9 point Ithaca win in my book is unconvincing. I am sorry to deliver such bad news! As for the next meeting next month, I would give the Hawks a 5 point line over Ithaca at the Bulb. The game against Elmira, gave hope back to the Hawks that they can win the Empire 8 conference. Now onto Rochester this coming weekend for games against RIT and Naz, which are obviously pivotal and winnable games! Meanwhile Ithaca will have their hands full with Alfred and Fisher.

The Empire 8 season is a long way from over! Anything can happen! After all it is College Basketball BABY!!!!!

Ciao for now!

Mad Hawk / Uncle Booyah
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on January 23, 2006, 01:31:51 pm
Empire 8 standings:

Utica: 4-1    (.800)
Ithaca: 4-1  (.800)
Naz: 3-1  (.750)
SJF: 3-1  (.750)
RIT: 2-2 (.500)
Alfred: 1-3 (.250)
Hartwick: 1-4 (.200)
Elmira: 0-5 (.000)

Other than SJF and Utica, these are the only standings that matter. Given the overall records, they are the only 2 with a shot at an at-large selection if they don't win the conference.

I'm sure that the fact that Ithaca is the better team had nothing to do with IC beating Hartwick on the road, it was all because of the refs. In fact, the refs probably figured that since Hartwick was playing in their home gym, they should get together and give IC all the calls, just to try and even things out.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 23, 2006, 04:07:49 pm
MadHawk, do you take yourself seriously? If you do, you're the only one that does. Ithaca's 9-point win on the road was unconvincing? How? Ithaca led by mid-double digits the entire 2nd half. It was 59-41 with 2 1/2 minutes to play when the reserves came in! Way to go Hartwick starters for putting on a 17-8 run during garbage time. What happened to your boy Cocozziello that game?

As for Hartwick being a "5-point favorite at the Bulb," I think not. In fact, at no point in that game will Hartwick ever lead by five points. I'd be very surprised if Ithaca doesn't win by 20.

Jukebox, get some Sammy's Pizza or Shortstop Subs before or after the game. You can thank me later.

I think the most surprising thing about Naz's sweep this weekend was how other guys stepped up. Before, if you contained Canori you'd have a great shot at winning. McAdam is a nice second option but after that, it significantly dropped off. However, this weeken, Kyle Nelson had a game against Alfred and the role players were fantastic against Fisher. If those guys can keep playing well, Naz will be dangerous because not every E8 team has a lockdown defender like Nick Bennett so Canori will get his on most nights.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 23, 2006, 04:20:38 pm
It really pains me that the team from the E* to break the home win streak was-
NAZ!
Maaaaaaaaaan that sucks!
Watch them plummet out of the top 25 now!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on January 23, 2006, 06:41:25 pm
Fisher loses to Naz and only drops to 22 in the most recent rankings. I thought they would be dumped right out of the top 25. granted I don't take care what the rankings are now but it is still fun to see where teams are ranked
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 24, 2006, 09:21:20 am
I really am shocked that they stayed in the top 25.
Cool.
Now they just have to keep their noses clean !!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 24, 2006, 11:03:05 am
There are four intriguing games tonight involving E8 squads.  In Rochester, the traveling partners will play their first conferences games against each other when Naz travels to RIT and Alfred goes to Fisher.  The Naz/RIT game means a lot to the conference standings.  A Flyer victory gives them a stranglehold on the last conference tourney spot.  A Tiger win and both Tech and Alfred are happy.  You've got to like Fisher in a blowout in the other game.

In non-conference action, Utica is at home against an improving Hobart squad.  They should win, but '05/'06 Hobart appears a lot more competitive than other recent versions. 

Ithaca travels down route 13 to face arch-nemesis Cortland, who is leading the SUNYAC right now.  This will be a very tough matchup for the Bombers. 

Naz - 65
RIT - 72

Alfred - 59
Fisher - 73

Hobart - 68
Utica - 78

Ithaca - 65
Cortland - 68

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 24, 2006, 12:31:59 pm
I like your picks. It should be interesting to see how Naz and Fisher react to their game over the weekend.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 24, 2006, 12:38:09 pm
Here's hoping Cortland's badly struggling offense keeps misfiring for one more night.  A road win over one of the best teams in the region would do wonders for IC's confidence as we approach the halfway point of the conference schedule...even better when it's Cortland, of course.

A win would be a good thing to have for the ECAC resume also.  That said, I still think we fall short.  Those damn Dragons just have our number.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 24, 2006, 12:56:27 pm
Utica 77  Hobart 50

No contest. 

The run continues. 
We have the best cahcne to get an at large bid at this point amongst the teams in the ;eague because of our overall record.
SJF too many L's right now
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 24, 2006, 01:09:14 pm
Utica 77 Hobart 50

No contest.

The run continues.
We have the best cahcne to get an at large bid at this point amongst the teams in the ;eague because of our overall record.
SJF too many L's right now

First off, I guarantee the Pioneers don't win by 27.  Second, you're wrong about the "at-large" bid.  The only thing that matters is the NCAA Regional Rankings.  SJF will be ahead of Utica, count on it.  They only have one regional loss (to Naz) and they beat the Pioneers. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 24, 2006, 01:51:54 pm
Also note my UC friend that you have to go to Roch on the road where you have played ooh so well in the past!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 24, 2006, 01:52:38 pm
It was madhawk!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 24, 2006, 02:52:54 pm
Clear do you have plans to come up to lovely rochester super bowl weekend to see Fisher and Utica play
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 24, 2006, 02:58:15 pm
Also note my UC friend that you have to go to Roch on the road where you have played ooh so well in the past!

This teams talent and attitude cannot even come close to being compared to teams of the past. I don't feel that Rochester is going to be that much of a problem for this group. They will likely get some "different" calls then they are used to, but they will react much better.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 24, 2006, 03:28:19 pm
Utica 77  Hobart 50

No contest. 

The run continues. 
We have the best cahcne to get an at large bid at this point amongst the teams in the ;eague because of our overall record.
SJF too many L's right now

I think Utica wins, but not by 27. Maybe the score will be UC 70-Hobart 58
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on January 24, 2006, 03:34:32 pm
I understand that Utica is a good team this year and that they may handle playing on the road better than in the past, but until they prove it, I still have my doubts.

It's been well documented that Utica has struggled on the road, especially in Rochester. Until Utica performs in a truly hostile gym, I don't think you can make a judgement on them. Looking at their schedule to date, I don't see how you can really be sure that they will react differently than in the past. They have played 6 road games so far, 2 of which were at SUNY IT, and 1 at Caz. These are practically home games anyway. A 73-66 win @Hartwick and 78-69 win @ Oneonta are the only other 2 road wins for Utica, not exactly great competition on the road. The only tough road game, @ Union, Utica lost 81-72.

Props to Utica if they can come in and win in Rochester this weekend, but as GB15 said earlier, let's not put the cart before the horse here.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 24, 2006, 06:21:19 pm
Not the same team people.  One BIG reason.... we  have the best player in Ray Bryant.  He is a dominating presence and will carry Utica to the title. 
Hey I like it this way, nobody respects us.  But time will tell.  And maybe after we kill Hobart by 20 or more people will start to realize just how much talent we have.

Good luck

Oh I will not be up for the Rochester trip sorry.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on January 24, 2006, 06:27:02 pm
Cortland-IC webcast tonight

http://www.bcmonsters.com
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 24, 2006, 06:36:27 pm
Utica 77 Hobart 50

No contest.

The run continues.
We have the best cahcne to get an at large bid at this point amongst the teams in the ;eague because of our overall record.
SJF too many L's right now

I love when you're wrong, Clear. "Fisher has too many L's." Well, if you know anything about D3 sports, you know that only in-region losses count against you when it comes time for regional rankings, then the NCAA usually seeds by regional rankings. Fisher has one regional loss, Utica has two regional losses.

I'll spell it out real clear for ya here. Assume something crazy happened and somebody like Naz won the E8 tourney. Fisher would get the at-large bid over Utica because:

a)less in-region losses puts Fisher ahead in the regional rankings
b)tougher schedule
c)two of three losses came against teams ranked #8 and #18, both away from home
d)reputation...last year did a lot for that Fisher program
e)Utica is still not even receiving votes in the poll. And you think the committee is going to give them at-large consideration?
f)Finally, Fisher has scoreboard on them

So, Clear, tell me again who would get the at-large if neither team won the E8 tournament? I thought so.

And can we stop the talk about Ray Bryant? Good for Utica that they lucked into a good JUCO player that was being recruited by some smaller D1 schools (Siena, Canisius, Northeastern) and some D2 schools (Lemoyne). Not sure why he went to Utica, I guess he probably didn't want to be a scrub on some of those other squads.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on January 24, 2006, 07:40:36 pm
HALF

Cortland 32 Ithaca 25

WICB is not broadcasting. They couldn't get their connection up.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on January 24, 2006, 07:45:12 pm
UC is up by 13 (34-21) on Hobart at the half.

Here is the link for the radio broadcast if anyone is interested in listening to the 2nd half...

http://www.starsradionetwork.com/streaming.html
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 24, 2006, 08:54:50 pm
Utica smokes Hobart, 73-54. From what I hear, Hobart never had a chance.


Bombers, I think clears excitement about Bryant is understandable. The guy may be the best player in the conference. His points aren't off the wall because he is a team player and we have several averaging double figures.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 24, 2006, 09:24:42 pm
Cortland 62, Ithica 49.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 24, 2006, 09:48:55 pm
Predictably, Ithaca gets bounced on the road at Cortland, 62-49. From the sounds of the game, Ithaca seemed a bit ambivalent about this one. The rivalry isn't close to that of the football teams. Mullins played guys in the 1st half that don't usually see time. I think he's taking the approach that the conference season is the only thing that matters, which would make this be the first time he was ever right.

Ithaca really needs Brian Joe back. He stretches the defense with his range and opens up opportunities for other players. Burton's gone into a slump since Joe has been out of the lineup. Ithaca is at its best when it goes small and with Joe out they put in Scanlon who likes the half-court game much better. We'll see how this develops. The Bombers picked a bad time to start regressing with Fisher and Alfred coming into the Bulb this weekend. Ithaca needs a split.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 24, 2006, 09:59:03 pm
Naz - 68
RIT - 72

Kris Kowalcyzk goes four for four from the line in the final 21 seconds to put the Tigers ahead and seal the win.  Big night for Fran Snyder who I'm guessing had 15 for the Tigers as well.  Big plays from Colin Roy (tying the game at 68), who also did a good job on Canori (he put up points, but nearly all of them when Roy was not guarding him). 

Matt Groot has developed into a really nice player for Naz.  I'm guessing he had at least 20. 

With wins over Alfred and Naz consecutively, RIT is currently sitting at #4 in the conference.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on January 24, 2006, 10:38:33 pm
RIT 72
Naz 68

For RIT:
Snyder: 14 pts. 6 assts
Zeinfeld/Kowalczyk: 13 pts each
Bacon: 6 pts. 7 rebs

I still think McVean sits too many of his good players for long stretches, and seemingly, at the wrong times. Bacon, who was in no foul trouble at all tonight, only played 27 minutes. As the only low post presense, you would think he should be getting at least 30 mins/game. Oh well, they still won.

For Naz:

Canori: 21 pts on 8-21 shooting
Groot: 27 pts on 11-17 shooting
Nelson: 10 pts. 10 rebs.
McAdam: 3 pts.

Really thought McAdam would be the second option for Naz, but Groot looked much better tonight.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 24, 2006, 11:21:38 pm
Fisher handles Alfred, but Fisher played bad again, but the refs and Alfreds coaching helped them out.  The two leading scores barely played and then fouled out early in the second half.  While 44 gave Fisher the finger, I do have to say that #5 is quite a player, they need him to have the ball way more than he is.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 25, 2006, 07:39:20 am
Handles Alfred yes, but I'm not too convinced in the way they have been playing lately.  What gives?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 25, 2006, 08:19:34 am
Quote
Secondly, if Hartwick wins 6 conference games I'll never post again on Post Patterns. Book it. If they get that sixth conference win, I'll sign off forever. Pat Coleman can block me from the site. I don't care what it takes, I would never post again.


Ticket to an Empire 8 Game: $5
Program: $1.50
Sprite, hot dog, popcorn, candy bar (to benefit the Pocahontas Society): $6
Face paint: $4
Pre-Game festivities: $15

GoBombers15, being banned from this message board: Priceless



Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 25, 2006, 08:33:08 am
GB15 got banned?
What happened?
He piss Pat off?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 25, 2006, 09:17:33 am
Booyah Folks

 Man, this was really predictable..What else is news?

The Bomber downward spiral has begun.

 Season Cancel
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SUNY Cortland Men's Basketball
SUNY Cortland vs. Ithaca College

Tuesday, January 24, 2006; Whitney T. Corey Gymnasium; Cortland, N.Y.

FINAL SCORE: Cortland 62, Ithaca 49

CORTLAND, N.Y. – Senior Frank Ranieri (Cicero-North Syracuse) scored 18 points, grabbed nine
rebounds and handed out four assists as Cortland improved to 15-2 with a 62-49 non-league win over
visiting Ithaca.
Junior Rod Headley (Peekskill) added 12 points and nine rebounds, senior Simon Skrelja (Hastingson-
Hudson/Hastings) scored eight points and senior Scott Taggart (Sidney Center/Franklin) pulled in
eight rebounds for the Red Dragons, who bounced back after having their 14-game win streak snapped
last Saturday versus Oswego. Cortland completed its non-league slate with an 8-1 mark, including a 6-0
record versus teams from the Empire 8.
Ithaca (7-8) was led by senior Jim Bellis (Bloomfield), who was the team’s lone double-figure scorer
with 16 points. Freshman Brian Kern (Fredonia) scored nine points, senior Jonathan Whetstone (Palo
Alto, CA) distributed six assists, and senior Brian Andruskiewicz (Oakdale, CT/Montville) and junior
Sean Stahn (Scarsdale/Ardsley) grabbed seven rebounds apiece.
Cortland took a 5-0 lead two minutes into the game and never trailed. Ithaca was within 17-15 on a Stahn
jumper with 11:07 left in the half, but Cortland went on a 12-1 run over the next six minutes and led 27-16.
Ithaca did, however, get back to within 29-25 with 1:22 left, but Dave Jutton’s (Red Hook) three-pointer
with 1:05 left gave the Red Dragons a 32-25 halftime lead.
Cortland’s lead in the second half varied between six and 10 points for the opening 14 minutes. The Red
Dragons slowly pushed the lead from that point to as high as 17 points before Ithaca scored the final four
points.
# # #
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 25, 2006, 09:35:14 am
Everybody here knew that Cortland was going to beat Ithaca, even bombers new that. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on January 25, 2006, 09:51:47 am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Hartwick lost @ Cortland by an even larger margin?
And didn't Ithaca beat Hartwick @Hartwick?

Oh wait, both those losses were the fault of the officials, I forgot.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 25, 2006, 10:14:09 am
We are going weare going to the tourny this year.  I just got that feeling!  Totally dominated a lousy Hobart team.  But hey you play the teams on the schedule.

We will go 2-0 this weekend too!

Ray Bryant is unstappable at this level.  I love it.  All the naysayers can keep on chirping.  We will just win and prove all of you wrong.  We are a far beter team than you think.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 25, 2006, 10:19:36 am
GB15 got banned?
What happened?
He piss Pat off?

No, I don't think GB15 got banned. It's just MADHAWK running his mouth because somehow he thinks Hartwick will get to 6 E8 wins, which is the cut off that GB15 said he would stop posting FOREVER.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on January 25, 2006, 10:20:04 am
Are there any English or Writing classes offered at Utica?

If so, you may want to consider signing up for one.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 25, 2006, 10:20:57 am
Are there any English or Writing classes offered at Utica?

If so, you may want to consider signing up for one.

Speak for yourself, I took those classes, and I made it out unscathed.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 25, 2006, 10:23:16 am
Um,
Clear- you may want to get through this weekend before you put UC into the tourney!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 25, 2006, 10:23:57 am
Budcrew-
Thanks for the info-
Hawk is just venting because he got a D in gym!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 25, 2006, 10:43:35 am
Budcrew and UCGrad this is no offense to you guys at all both of you are great level headed posters and I do enjoy reading your posts, but before Utica starts acting like they're going to the Tourny, you have to beat the Champ, and right now fisher is still the Champ.   The funniest thing from last nights Fisher Alfred game was Alfred fans Screaming Nazareth at the fisher side at which point a fisher student pointed out that Alfred had lost to Naz to and then they sat down.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 25, 2006, 10:59:52 am
Budcrew and UCGrad this is no offense to you guys at all both of you are great level headed posters and I do enjoy reading your posts, but before Utica starts acting like they're going to the Tourny, you have to beat the Champ, and right now fisher is still the Champ.   The funniest thing from last nights Fisher Alfred game was Alfred fans Screaming Nazareth at the fisher side at which point a fisher student pointed out that Alfred had lost to Naz to and then they sat down.

Hey, superdood:
I have never said that Utica is going anywhere. Right now, until further review, they are still the 2nd place team in the Empire 8. In the words of Ric Flair "to be the man you have to beat the man!" Fisher, until proven otherwise, is still the man. Although if it came down to Fisher and Utica for the E8 title, it would be a great thing for the conference.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 25, 2006, 11:39:34 am
absolutly and I hope that you are able to get out here for the Fisher Utica game it should be a good game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 25, 2006, 12:25:15 pm
Quote
Secondly, if Hartwick wins 6 conference games I'll never post again on Post Patterns. Book it. If they get that sixth conference win, I'll sign off forever. Pat Coleman can block me from the site. I don't care what it takes, I would never post again.

Ticket to an Empire 8 Game: $5
Program: $1.50
Sprite, hot dog, popcorn, candy bar (to benefit the Pocahontas Society): $6
Face paint: $4
Pre-Game festivities: $15

GoBombers15, being banned from this message board: Priceless

In the words of Chris Rock, "yeah I said it, it HAD to be said!" MadHawk, I'm glad you took the time to read my post that Cortland predictably beat Ithaca. How do road losses to Utica and Cortland constitute Ithaca entering a downward spiral? Ithaca isn't a good road team, anways, so they shouldn't beat the SUNYAC leaders and the 2nd best team in E8 at their places. That said, Ithaca was still a good enough road team to beat Hartwick and would beat the Hawks anywhere at any time.

As for my potential self-imposed "ban," I think I'm pretty safe on that one. Hartwick has already played five home games within the conference and is 1-4. For me to never post again, Hartwick would have to go 5-4 in their last nine games, seven of which are on the road. Besides the fact that 'Wick hasn't won a road game in the conference since I was in college(and I was an underclassmen), I don't think they'll be taking at least 3 games on the road this year. In fact, I'm so confident, I'll up the ante just to rub it in your face further. HARTWICK WON'T WIN 4 CONFERENCE GAMES and if they do, I'll never post again. Believe me, I'm still confident about that, Hartwick sucks. Period.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 25, 2006, 12:33:43 pm
MadHawk, I also see that I'm such an icon to you that you have decided to spend the time to google image search my picture of "Prince" and even quote me below that. Have you gone so far as to order Ithaca and Tulane memorabilia yet?

By the way, how do you spend $5 for a ticket to an E8 game? I'm not sure I've spent more than $5 on E8 basketball since my freshman year.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 25, 2006, 12:45:33 pm
MadHawk, I also see that I'm such an icon to you that you have decided to spend the time to google image search my picture of "Prince" and even quote me below that. Have you gone so far as to order Ithaca and Tulane memorabilia yet?

By the way, how do you spend $5 for a ticket to an E8 game? I'm not sure I've spend more the $5 on E8 basketball since my freshman year.

I know that tickets are $4 at Utica for basketball games for adults, but they are only $2 for non- UC students, and free for UC students and staff.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 25, 2006, 01:04:07 pm
Budcrew and UCGrad this is no offense to you guys at all both of you are great level headed posters and I do enjoy reading your posts, but before Utica starts acting like they're going to the Tourny, you have to beat the Champ, and right now fisher is still the Champ.   The funniest thing from last nights Fisher Alfred game was Alfred fans Screaming Nazareth at the fisher side at which point a fisher student pointed out that Alfred had lost to Naz to and then they sat down.

I agree that we have to beat Fisher first. We also have to get it done in all our other games. In the first game againt Fisher, we dominated them in every aspect of the game. We simply beat ourselves.  I just feel that this is the best chance Utica has had since I have been around the team.

Being close to the team since 1999, I can honestly say that this team is nothing like Utica teams of the past. Just having the record that they currently do at this point in the season is evidence of that to those outside of the program/school. We may not win the conference, but we definately have a great chance of winning it this season.

A win over Fisher in one of our two remaining possible match ups against them could also get us an at large bid, providing we beat Oswego and take care of business as we should in league. There is a lot that can happen. I am just happy to be able to have such a fun and exciting season.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 25, 2006, 01:19:54 pm
UC Grad the only way the Utica will even be able to get an at large bid is if one they maul fisher at Fisher and win out the rest of the season impresively,  I mean I am never shocked at anything that happens in college basketball take North Dakota State for example, but Fisher has won 41 of the last 42 games at home and the one game they did lose the shot went in after the buzzer,  I am saying this after Tivoing the game and watching really closely for 45 minutes.  So best of luck to Utica but I don't think there will be any at large bids for the E8 this year I think any team who wants to go needs to win out.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 25, 2006, 01:54:08 pm
Superman, you may be right about one bid (and probably are), but the selection committee has been rather nice to teams from this part of the country; some would say overly nice. 

Brockport and Plymouth State unexpectedly got bids in 2004 (I think); this caused The Guru to flip out ninja-style and read the selection committee the riot act on the front page of d3hoops.com.  Good times.

Utica's regional winning percentage will end up looking very good and their QOWI could be solid also thanks to overachieving teams like SUNYIT.  The NCAA's formula and procedure could very well net this league 2 bids even if we don't necessarily deserve it on our own merits.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bearseh on January 25, 2006, 08:54:35 pm
Not only did Brockport receive a 2004 bid, they were seeded high enough to receive a first round bye and consequently, a second round home game. I thought then that they deserved an at lage bid but not a seeding for the bye.

Best of luck to SJF and Utica. Hope for 2 bids springs eternal but the selection gurus move in very mysterious ways.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 25, 2006, 10:50:03 pm
The next five games for Utica will determine their chances at an at-large selection. If they do any worse than 4-1, I think we can kiss the bid goodbye.

@Naz
@RIT
@Alfred
@Fisher
@Oswego

I say that because assuming they're up for an at-large bid would infer Utica lost in the E8 tourney. That may sound obvious but I'm not sure what they're teaching at Hartwick or in SOME of the Utica classes(not you, Budcrew, don't worry). If Utica finishes with four losses, I think they're in. If the finish with five, I'm unsure but leaning more towards no. That Oswego game is huge because both teams are right about in the same position. If Oswego beats them and both teams come up for an at-large bid, the committee will take the winner of that game.

As much as I rip Clear, I'm obviously rooting for as many teams as possible from the E8 in the dance. After Ithaca, my loyalty is to the E8.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on January 26, 2006, 12:30:39 am
Worst ever NCAA at-large selection.....

Cazenovia College in 2001-2002

After receiving their bid into the tournament, they were promptly given a Charlie Murphy on Rick James @$$ whoopin and sent packing by Williams.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 26, 2006, 02:34:47 am
Worst ever NCAA at-large selection.....

Cazenovia College in 2001-2002

After receiving their bid into the tournament, they were promptly given a Charlie Murphy on Rick James @$$ whoopin and sent packing by Williams.

That one gets brought up every year like clockwork, and it's always fun to reminisce on it.  It was a Pool B bid, somebody's got to get those I guess.  I don't recall the specifics all that well, (other than that they finished FOURTH in the NEAC and still got in) but there were a few Cazenovia fans on here that were jerks and actually proposed straight-faced that they belonged and could beat Williams, one of the best in the nation that year. 

Best post was after their 70-point loss when one of their fans said something to the effect of "it really could have gone either way, but Williams was just the better team tonight."  Hi-larious.  Come to think of it, sounds like something Mad Hawk or ClearConceit might write.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on January 26, 2006, 09:28:57 am
Potentially bad news for GB15 and the other IC fans. Apparently the news on Brian Joe is not good. I understand that he went in for an MRI on his knee and his status for the rest of the season is in doubt.

IC will struggle down the stretch if they can't get him back.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 26, 2006, 11:58:33 am
Why the hostility towards me?  I am not like Mad Hawk - the difference my team is kicking XXX.  We can get a bid and that is a real chance.  I don't see anyone beating us up to the Fisher game.  Maybe I am over confident maybe I am onto something, that remains to be seen.  Unlike some of you who rip other schools ect I don't do that. 
I believe Utica is the best team.  I could care less if Ithaca or Hartwick wins games etc.  i just Want Utica to win.
And I would never make excuses for a loss. 

As I already predicted on here:
Utica by 20 over Naz
Utica by 16 over RIT

The bus rolling people.... hop aboard!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 26, 2006, 12:09:34 pm
Potentially bad news for GB15 and the other IC fans. Apparently the news on Brian Joe is not good. I understand that he went in for an MRI on his knee and his status for the rest of the season is in doubt.

IC will struggle down the stretch if they can't get him back.

Yes, that is bad news. In terms of "bad news received today," I'd have to rank that one right behind finding out we're not getting our new fridge for another ten days but just ahead of learning wrestling isn't real. In all seriousness, that injury hurts the Bombers a lot. I think Joe is their 3rd best player (behind Bellis, Andruskiewicz). He is their one consistent outside shooter and he's quick enough to guard PG's, allowing Whetstone who is taller than most guards to match-up with the other team's swingman.

But like I've always said, injuries are not an excuse. Ithaca will have to change their style of play or find someone who can match Joe's production. It's time for Brad Clemente to step up. I thought he was going to be a starter this year and I don't know if he has a nagging injury or he's in the doghouse but he keeps going in and out of the rotation. Freshman Brian Kern seems like he has a good future and has showed flashes of very good play. Maybe Tigerbro2 might have to step in and contribute. We'll see.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 26, 2006, 02:55:04 pm
lets see Naz beat fisher, fisher beat utica= Naz beats Utica, well probably not but if Utica beats naz by more 20 then I will wear a dress and call my self shirley,  Clear Utica is good but you cant say your going to the tourny untill you beat the best team in the league and sorry thats not Utica, it is still Fisher.  Fishers one league loss was against a mortal rival,  Unless you have ever been to a Fisher Naz game you have no idea how big of a game it is.  Think Cortaca Jug better yet think Duke UNC and you might have an idea of how heated the teams get to play each other.  On the other hand you guys barely beat HARTWICK yes Hartick so untill you beat hartwick by 20 you can not say you are going to beat other teams by 20.
I say
Utica-72
Naz-68
Utica-63
RIT-66

I'm not going to even guess fisher Elmira but it won't be close
Fisher 71
Ithaca-66
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on January 26, 2006, 04:01:29 pm
How much is Hartwick favored by to beat RIT tommorow bumpkin?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 26, 2006, 06:06:03 pm
Superman, Fisher will beat Ithaca by more than 5 this weekend. Brian Joe is out and Ithaca just isn't playing good basketball over the last two games. Sure, it was against two quality teams but I think this is Ithaca's usual mid-season lull. Also, I know Fisher/Naz is a big rivalry, but comparing it to the Jug? I'll admit I've never been to a Fisher/Naz bball game and I know there's some hatred there, but comparing it to what Sports Illustrated once called "The Biggest Little Game" in the country? I'm not saying your wrong, but have you been to a Jug? I've been to the last 6 and my liver still hates me for it.

My usual Thursday predictions in hopes of nailing the winner and the score before the season is over.

Friday

Utica 75  Naz 72
Hartwick 49  RIT  69
Fisher 245  Elmira 38 (ok, maybe not, Fisher wins 80-51)
Alfred 68  Ithaca 70

Saturday

Utica 71  RIT 70  (OT)
Hartwick 57  Naz 78
Alfred 72  Elmira 56
Fisher 74 Ithaca 64

I know, I know, I bet the chalk in every single game. I think the Naz game is going to take a lot of energy out of Utica so I expect a tight one with RIT. The only thing that keeps me from taking RIT is still the lack of a go-to-guy on that team. I think that's what costs them late in that one. As to Clear's comments about winning their games by 15 and 20 this weekend, I'd be very surprised if the total of their combined wins(if they even win both) get to 15 points.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 26, 2006, 06:15:14 pm
While football and basketball are very different and it is not as huge as Cortica because it happens twice a semester it's the same intensity esspecially when you are playing in the Varsity Gym
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 26, 2006, 08:55:32 pm
Being a Fisher fan, who loves the Naz-Fisher game, and also being from Cortland and experiencing the Cortaca Jug my entire life (father is a C-state alum), I feel I have to put my 2 cents in on this topic.

while very few things in sports can compare to the intensity of a Cortaca jug game, probably the only thing around here in small college athletics that comes close is Fisher-Naz. I definatly think the Cortaca jug is a much bigger event, but a lot of that probably has to do with how many people are exposed to it. First it is Football which more people watch at this level, second, the size of stadiums for football allow a lot more people to watch (Fisher stopped letting people into the gym w/ 10 minutes left in the first half of the girls game last weekend.) Also the size of the schools plays a role, Ithaca and C state are much bigger than Fisher and Naz.

To the people involved in both games it is a huge deal. Cortaca is still the big ticket for obvious reasons. It is the best event in small college sports for my money. Not to mention the fact that the Cortaca game is usually close, with each team having a solid chance at winning. Naz's win last weekend was their 4th in the last 36 meetings between the 2 schools.

But, I would not place a Fisher-Naz game very far behind. But hey, I went to school at Fisher, so obviously I have a biased opinion. I will say that it is definatly the most intense basketball rivalry in the region. I am sure Williams and Amherst is great, but it would have to do a lot to match the Fisher Naz game.

That Fisher Naz game really needs a name for itself. You say Cortaca and everyone knows what you are talking about.
Any ideas for a possible name for the game?

GO CARDS...





Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 26, 2006, 11:31:35 pm
I know that they had tried Battle of the Beaks but it never quite caught on
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 27, 2006, 10:32:17 am
http://democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060127/SPORTS09/601270376/1007/SPORTS

Article about Nick Bennett coming back for this season. Pretty good article.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 27, 2006, 10:56:49 am
GB15
Thanks-great article!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 27, 2006, 10:57:54 am
http://democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060127/SPORTS09/601270376/1007/SPORTS

Article about Nick Bennett coming back for this season. Pretty good article.

That was definitely a good article. As someone who has been in the journalism world (news and sports), that took a simple profile of the player and turned it into a lot more.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 27, 2006, 11:39:57 am
Sure did-
made PWC look like saints too!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 27, 2006, 11:45:22 am
I hate to say it, but Madhawk has spewed enough Hartwick nonsense that I'm intrigued by the RIT - Wick game tonight.  It's not that I think the Hawks will win, no way.  It's just that this is the first time I have any interest whatsoever in actually watching them play.  

Sadly, I won't be around for the RIT-Utica game tomorrow.  A win for the Tigers would be huge.  A loss doesn't hurt them too bad.

Look for Naz to put a scare into Utica tonight, maybe even pull one out if the Pioneers are sluggish.  
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 27, 2006, 08:51:44 pm
Bombers lead Alfred at the half, 38-29. Sean Burton has 11 and Dom Scanlon with 8 points. Brian Joe returned tonight for the Bombers and though his shooting is a little rusty, he's played great defense and has made some nice assists. Apparently he had a wrist injury that has been bothering him.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 27, 2006, 09:06:20 pm
In the least surprising development of the night, Naz is giving Utica a battle in Rochester. The Golden Flyers lead 38-35 in the 2nd half with 13 mins remaining.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on January 27, 2006, 09:43:26 pm
Utica beats Naz 59-51.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 27, 2006, 09:53:11 pm
Ithaca plays an awful 2nd half and relinquishes a 13-point lead, watching Alfred take a 5-point lead at one point. Ithaca rallies to tie late in the game and goes into OT tied at 67. Ithaca leads 75-72 in OT after a 3-pointer by Bellis late in OT.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 27, 2006, 10:00:05 pm
Hartwick - 61
RIT - 88

Hartwick is a long way from being a good team.

The only exciting episode in the game went like this:  Right before tipoff, I look at my buddy and say "I can't tell who Hartwick's head coach is, all those guys look and act exactly the same.  Not really a good sign ."

In the second half I found out the Hartwick head coach was suspended for this game.  Needless to say, I was proud of myself.

Nice game for Fran Snyder, who did whatever he wanted all night at the offensive end.  At least 12 or 13 guys had to score for the Tigers.  Hartwick never had it under single digits after it was 14-4.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 27, 2006, 10:04:21 pm
Ithaca wins in OT, 83-76. Big games for Bellis, Burton(now favorite for E8 ROY) and Whetsone of all people. Bombers need a split this weekend and will get it now. Ithaca stays tied for 1st place in the E8 at 5-1.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on January 27, 2006, 10:22:57 pm
what makes sean burton the favorite for roy over doug herring?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 27, 2006, 10:23:38 pm
Fisher rolls Elmira by 29.

can't wait for the game tomorrow in Ithaca.

Go cards...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 28, 2006, 12:24:25 am
Not sure what game you were watching GBomber, but our game wasn't that close.  It was 16 points with a few minutes left.  A couple of harmless 3's made it a single digit game.
Nobody believes but I will say it again.... we are going to the TOURNEY baby.  We will rock RIT tomorrow.

Take no prisoners.

Hey Mad Hawk.... what's the matter with you?  Can't you face the msuic when you get your A$# kicked?  I am waiting to hear about how your coach didn't coach and that would have made the difference.  Nobody pulls for you more than me but atleast face the music.

Also I still say that Cocozziello kid is the best freshman.  I am out of here.

Go PIONEERS!!!!  Rock on baby.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 28, 2006, 01:03:08 am
What game was I watching? I wasn't watching any game, I'm in New Orleans, idiot. However, I do have this thing called internet and was listening to the Utica game when it was 38-35, Naz leading, with 13 minutes remaining(when I posted). Look at the box score, that will back me up. Your radio guy (Andy the Ox?) even mentioned it was a close game until the last 9 minutes. By the way, I'd rather pull every hair out of my leg than listen to another Utica basketball broadcast. If I have to hear another "and the refs call the foul on the Pioneers, I don't know how they can call that" or "out of bounds...how is that not the Pioneers' ball, come on," I think I'm going to barf.

Bird Man, I bet Burton has Alfred's coach's vote. Each time Alfred would get up by 3 or 4, Burton would hit a 3 or make a big pass to set up a basket. He was huge tonight. I think Herring is his biggest challenger right now. You can't hand Cocozziello the award because he's the only player on that team, that's not how it should work.

Ray Bryant is not the best player in the conference, he's not even the best player in the conference with that last name. For my money, I'd take Quentin Bryant of Alfred any day of the week. That kid is filthy. He was hitting step-back 3's with two guys in his face at big moments in the game tonight. Alfred's offense should be "give it to Quentin, everyone else just get out of the way." Kid is dirty. That said, I think Canori should win POY but may get punished by the fact he's only a sophomore, we will see.

Hey, MadDumb, where you at now? What's up with the Hawks? I guess their "downward spiral" began when they had to start playing competent D3 basketball teams, huh? Still think they have 4 conference wins in them? I sure don't!

Just hoping Ithaca doesn't get run by Fisher tomorrow, Go Bombers!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 28, 2006, 09:04:55 am
"Your radio guy (Andy the Ox?) even mentioned it was a close game until the last 9 minutes. By the way, I'd rather pull every hair out of my leg than listen to another Utica basketball broadcast. If I have to hear another "and the refs call the foul on the Pioneers, I don't know how they can call that" or "out of bounds...how is that not the Pioneers' ball, come on," I think I'm going to barf."

From 38-35, Naz only scored once for almost 9 minutes.

Adam the Bull rarely rips on officials. Working very close to him during games, I can tell you for a fact that he will usually defend officials, even when the Utica crowd is getting on them. However, as said before, there seems to be a different style of officiating in rochester than in the rest of the state.


As for Ray Bryant, he is much better than people outside of Utica give him credit for. He could have inflated stats, but he is a team player. He has been conference player or co player of the week 3 times this season. That is more than any other player in the conference. The other Bryant has been player of the week exactly zero times. Let's not go crazy with our claims because you don't like clear.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 28, 2006, 09:12:44 am
All I said is Q.Bryant is the most "talented" player in the league. For anyone who has seen him play, I'm sure you'll agree with me. Q was Player of the Week a bunch last year but for some reason they're trying not to depend on him too much this year. He had about 10 pts halfway through the 2nd half last night then decided he was gonna take over and, though i don't know his exact total, I bet he had around 30. Keep in mind Ray Bryant has played an entire season and Quentin just came back for the 2nd semester. Even the Fisher fans said they don't understand why the ball isn't in his hands every time down the floor, which I tend to agree with.

And, Utica fans, you guys are going to have to let this whole "different officiating style in Rochester" thing die. During my year off from school I lived in Rochester and the reffing looked exactly the same to me as it did when I was at Ithaca. That is to say they are D3 refs and can be inconsistent at times. It's gonna be a hard sell convincing me that only the Utica/Hartwick combo have good officials but every other place does not. I'm not buying that for a second. Suck it up, play the game, and deal with the fact most teams get home calls. It's part of the advantage of playing at home.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 28, 2006, 09:56:00 am
Q. Bryant is a good player. I have seen him play twice a season since he was a freshman. However, Ray is overall a better player in my opinion. Maybe you didn't like his 29 and 10 against Ithaca? ;)
The reason he doesn't always have the ball is that Alfred also has Stein, who may be the best big man in the conference. It is a team game. Ray could probably average about 30 a game, but he doesn't have the need to do that. He makes the whole team better both with his play, and his intangibles. Q. Bryant is not a leader in my opinion. With the talent Alfred has, they should be much better than their record shows.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on January 28, 2006, 10:13:04 am
UC grad...I totally agree.  UC is a much better team when Ray Bryant is on the court.  It doesn't matter if he is scoring or not.  He makes everyone around him better and is the type of player anyone would want on their team. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: rjcarter8 on January 28, 2006, 11:01:34 am
I guess I've got to see Burton play in some more games. I've only seen him once -- against Hartwick -- and he wasn't all that impressive. He was out of sync and quite hot-headed, getting a technical foul after fouling a Hartwick player. He only had 11 points and more turnovers than assists 3-2.

I also had a chance to listen to the game against Green Mountain and it sounded like Burton played well, but Green Mountain isn't exactly a powerhouse.

BTW, Cocozziello didn't play all that great against Ithaca either, only scoring 3 points.

Finally, a thought for today, I'm sure it won't happen, but here's hoping Ithaca knocks off Fisher.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 28, 2006, 11:11:27 am
9 Freshmen
1 Sophmore
3 Juniors (2 of whom are transfers)
2 Seniors (1 transfer)

3 Returners
12 New Players

Starters
Youngest Starting 5 in the E8 (No prior seasons of experience)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Hawks have come a long way so far this season from the previous two seasons! Even with a loss last night against RIT, I am not concerned one bit. Lets not forget that last nights game was the first E8 road game for 12 out of 15 players. Last night's loss was a wake call for the young Hawks that playing on the road is tough. RIT can expect to face a smarter Hawks team on February 11th. At the moment, I place the line at: Hawks by 4.

Let's not forget that Roman Empire lost several battles before they became the power they ended up being. Last night's game was a terrific learning experience for the Hawks (The emerging empire).

Also, Britian lost the American Revolution. Look at who they are today, a world power


Ciao for now..more later
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 28, 2006, 11:15:33 am
First off even if Fisher losses one more confrence game but then beats utica Fisher still has the tie break over Utica,  but if Fisher plays anything like they've played the past two games then Ithaca definitly stands a chance to win.  Again I say the only way Utica is going to the tourny is if they win out and make it to the championship game and either win it or lose in overtime or something like that.  I think the only team that truly stands a chance at getting an at large bid is Fisher if they win out because of the fact that they are Nationally Ranked and have proved themselves in the past, not something Utica has done yet.  Fisher has 3 losses to of them were on the road to top 25 teams and the other one was against a huge rival.  So clear please be a little leval headed hear.  Try to understand that so matter how much you want it to happen Utica will not rout any team except for Hartwick and Utica, this league is a lot closer then we all thought.  Second understand that Empire 8 hasn't gotten two bids to the tourny in as long as I can remember, and 3rd you can't be the best till you beat the best and 41 out of 42 in the Varsity Gym tell me that your gonna have a rough time winning in the varisty gym
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 28, 2006, 11:21:26 am
Opps, I almost forget to include a BOOYAH
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: rjcarter8 on January 28, 2006, 11:24:16 am
MadHawk,
I have nothing against Hartwick or any team in the E8, but you can't keep posting these ridiculous things. You just can't.

While there may be improvements happening at Hartwick, you are making the City of Oneonta, the school, the students, the coaches and the players on the team look bad.

Hartwick will not compete for the E8 title this year, they will not win more than a few conference games, and you need to accept that. You are just making Hartwick and yourself a target.

You can't boast about how good a team is, then when they lose by 17 points, come up with excuses that 12 of 15 players on the team hadn't experienced a E8 road game before. Good teams win games, it is as simple as that. It's true Hartwick has improved, but they are still not a good team.

The Hawks time will come in the next couple years if they are able to keep players around, but this is not the year and you should realize it before you embarass yourself even more than you already have.

And quit saying Booyah, it's not helping.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 28, 2006, 11:36:41 am
Thank you Superman57...somebody had to say it...


Fisher is still the class of the conference, and I don't see that changing. Utica losses came to what turns out to be a very average Union team and to FISHER...which says to me they are not the best team in the conference. Clear would have you think they are the top choice for #1 in the country.

The way I see it, Utica is at a point that Fisher was at a few years ago, having a great year, but still just not quite there with the elite in the nation. Fisher had some years where they dominated the empire 8 but they just didn't have enough against elite teams in the rgion(u of r is the best example).
I dout Utica would beat a Rochester, or even a Lake Erie on the road. So for now lets just take Utica's season for what it is, a great run, and a good chance to do something special. I still don't think they are there with Fisher, which I think we all can agree has made it to the elite level...

GO CARDS...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: rjcarter8 on January 28, 2006, 11:43:52 am
Fisher has had a tremendous amount of success over the past few years, but I still think they have a little bit further to go to be called elite. I guess it depends on how people would define elite.

The first step, in my opinion, is for the team to make it to the Final Four, or even the Elite 8. Last year the Cards got whomped in the Sweet 16, not far enough for them to be called elite in my opinion.

If they played in a good conference maybe I could excuse the Sweet 16 blip, but the Empire 8 is not even in the top 2 conferences in the East Region, so that won't work.

Fisher is really good, and they even beat U of R in the Chase, but I still can't put them in the same class as the Yellowjackets. Maybe this will be the year Fisher attains elite status, but they're not quite there yet.

As for Utica, I agree with Superman (though not with his writing skills) that Utica fans can't start crowing about how UC is the best team in the conference and will blow everyone out by 20 when they can't beat the best team in the weak league -- Fisher.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on January 28, 2006, 12:44:43 pm
Fisher-Ithaca game live vidiocast on web.www.ictv.org/sections/webcast/livewebcast.php @4:00pm.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on January 28, 2006, 03:55:36 pm
Ray Bryant is not the best player in the conference, he's not even the best player in the conference with that last name. For my money, I'd take Quentin Bryant of Alfred any day of the week. That kid is filthy. He was hitting step-back 3's with two guys in his face at big moments in the game tonight. Alfred's offense should be "give it to Quentin, everyone else just get out of the way." Kid is dirty. That said, I think Canori should win POY but may get punished by the fact he's only a sophomore, we will see.

Quentin "Q" Bryant is top notch when he brings his "A" game. Saw him against Naz at McLane. Don't know what the problem was that game, he finished with 10 points, all in last 5 minutes after game had been decided. I know what he can do, and AU has a lot of talent. They work hard. But from my observation, the Saxons are all work, no play. I'm no D3 basketball coach, but from my observation they aren't really enjoying the game. Some folks forget that IT'S A GAME! At 1-5 in E8 (hopefully 2-5 after today), in a year when AU was actually picked to finish in top four of E8, hoping Saxons can turn it around.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: FishAluminNC on January 28, 2006, 05:46:23 pm
65-53 Fisher with about a minute to go.  Ithaca shooting 12.5% from the 3 point line.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: FishAluminNC on January 28, 2006, 05:50:14 pm
68-55 final goes to Fisher. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 28, 2006, 05:59:40 pm
Utica decides to miss an insane number of FT and blow a wide open dunk to beat themselves.

Two league losses for Utica, and in both of them they beat themselves from the foul line. Very disappointing.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on January 28, 2006, 06:12:50 pm
Hartwick beats Naz.....
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: owen on January 28, 2006, 06:19:07 pm
Let's keep all this trivial data on Fisher, Ithaca, and Utica off the board.  I'm awaiting important news of the 'Hartwick Empire.'  ;)

Oh my gosh!! The news has arrived. Can that be correct? Hartwick beats Naz? Really? 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 28, 2006, 06:22:03 pm
Hartwick over Naz. Everyone turn off your computers because we'll be hearing from MadHawk. That is, of course, unless he is unconscious because he hit his head on his dorm ceiling after following the gamecast for the last two hours.

Bombers play a horrid 1st half, but you have to give Fisher credit. I talked to a buddy of mine at the game and he's seen every E8 team this year except Elmira and he said Fisher is by far the class of the league. He said there are more athletic teams(Utica) and teams with better shooters (Naz) but Fisher is so well-coached has such a high team basketball IQ that there's just nobody really close right now. As he said, "If Fisher plays their game, there's nobody in this league on their best day that could beat them." I tend to agree with him.

UCgrad, when was this missed dunk you speak of? It better have been within the last two minutes if you're trying to convince us it affected the game. Free throws are a part of the game, no excuses there. Good teams make their FT's.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on January 28, 2006, 06:27:28 pm
"We will rock RIT tomorrow"
- Clearconceipt

Good call. Turns out Utica can't beat RIT on the road once again, this time going down 71-62. Fran Snyder has another big game, with 22 pts today, Zeinfeld with 19. RIT shoots over 50% from the field for the second straight game.

And spare me the "we beat ourselves" routine. To win against good teams on the road, you need to be solid from the FT line, it appears Utica doesn't perform well from the line in the clutch. Utica lost, deal with it.

RIT, IC, and UC now in a 3 way tie for second place behind SJF.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 28, 2006, 06:31:00 pm
RIT beats Utica, continuing the Pioneers' struggles in Rochester, by a score of 71-62. RIT led most of the way in this and pulled away in the last five minutes. Utica cut the lead to 4 with 5mins remaining, but RIT quickly built the lead up to 10 and coasted to the victory from there.

UCgrad, cool it with the excuses. Utica's FT shooting wasn't atrocious or anything. In fact, RIT's wasn't a ton better.

Utica: 21-32
RIT: 23-31

And from the looks of it, one missed dunk meant absolutely nothing in the result of that game. Instead of blaming your FT shooters or a missed dunk, why don't you throw some fault at the fact Utica allowed RIT to shoot over 50% from the field and 50% from 3's. That probably cost the Pioneers more than any missed dunk/missed FT's/referee(I know you didn't say anything about the refs, I was just pre-emptively dismissing that excuse).

RIT was the better team TODAY(not saying they're the better team, overall, but they were today). The most nauseating excuse in sports is "they didn't win, we lost." What the hell does that mean, anyways?? Do you guys have that bad of inferiority complexes that you can't admit you're beatable? Show some class and move on.

I can't wait to see MadHawk's next post. Who's ready to hear the law of syllogism:

Hartwick beat Naz
Naz beat Fisher
Therefore, Hartwick can beat Fisher(until Fisher bludgeons them by 35 when they play in Rochester)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 28, 2006, 06:43:55 pm
Did I sleep through the apocalypse? Hartwick actually beat Nazareth... holy crap.. GB15, you better be careful, Wick is only halfway from your "I'll never post again" total of 4 wins... what a joke. :D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on January 28, 2006, 06:47:18 pm
Pretty disappointing week for Naz. After beating Fisher @Fisher, they drop 3 straight. @RIT and vs. Utica are understandable losses, but losing at home to Hartwick shouldn't happen to a team with that much talent.

Quality win for Hartwick, especially since they bounced back from taking a 27 point beating @RIT on Friday. Coach Daley will need to do something fast to turn their season around.

But if MadHawk is calling for Hartwick to be a 4 pt. favorite at home vs. RIT after losing by 27, they must be about a 30 point favorite vs. Naz.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 28, 2006, 07:02:54 pm
Did I sleep through the apocalypse? Hartwick actually beat Nazareth... holy crap.. GB15, you better be careful, Wick is only halfway from your "I'll never post again" total of 4 wins... what a joke. :D

Still not worried. Hartwick has a total of two winnable games left on their schedule: @Elmira, vs Naz. I don't think they'll win both. Even if they do get to four games, which they won't, I can't be held to never posting again. Unilateral contracts are not enforceable in the state of Louisiana. I love law school! I'm kidding, I won't post again, but I'm still pretty safe.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 28, 2006, 07:29:25 pm
Just got home from the Fisher-Ithaca game and look at all that has happened...

Tough loss for Naz, not much to say about that...

RIT beats Utica, and I could not be happier. That is a big deal for Fisher because they need to lose to Utica (at home), and another team to possibly give up the #1 seed, which is a huge deal.

As far as the Fisher game goes, they played a lot better then the last game that I went to(naz), but still not their best game. Ithaca made a run in the 2nd half and cut the lead to 10 and 9, but the issue was never really in doubt...

Happy to see the cards bounce back this week after the Naz loss


Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 28, 2006, 07:33:48 pm
I'm surprised Ithaca only lost by 13 considering they shot 3-25 from distance. That is horrid.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 28, 2006, 08:10:20 pm
Today's Fisher-IC games were brought to you by the numbers 68 and 55, as SJF won both by the exact same score.  I seem to recall that's happened at an Ithaca girls/guys doubleheader before, too.

Congrats to Hartwick for the road win.  The Hawk Dynasty/Roman Empire is clearly at hand.  I can't roll my eyes far enough for that statement, it's not possible.  But seriously, nice win 'Wick.  Good job.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 28, 2006, 08:15:56 pm
Bombers...Fisher started to take the shot clock down to 5 before shooting with about 13 minutes left for some reason. Ithaca took advantage to some bad Fisher possesions and cut the lead from 22 down to 10 at one point, 9 at another.
I never thought Fisher would lose, but I was impressed with Ithaca's ability to stick around, and ability to extend the game by getting stops and driving to the basket...game wasn't close, but 13 points is probably a fair spread for the game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on January 28, 2006, 09:59:23 pm
On a point a couple pages ago by GB15, I'm one of those Fisher fans who thinks that it's nuts that Bryant doesn't get the ball more often. Even after their top 3 scorers fouled out, he STILL wasn't getting the ball.....oh well, their loss.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on January 28, 2006, 10:00:15 pm
Speaking of the "Birdman" (as in the pro player), I laughed seeing him get kicked out of the NBA for drugs....
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 28, 2006, 10:11:19 pm
"And from the looks of it, one missed dunk meant absolutely nothing in the result of that game. Instead of blaming your FT shooters or a missed dunk, why don't you throw some fault at the fact Utica allowed RIT to shoot over 50% from the field and 50% from 3's. "

At the time of the dunk, Utica was up by two and on a huge run. They had just missed two free throws, and then blew a dunk off the steal. Dude tried to pull a vince carter-esque jam (windmill) when what was really needed was the sure points. RIT immediately went on a run after that.

I didn't make any excuses. They should have made their shots. Missing the front end on six 1 and 1 attempts didnt help either. Had Utica made their free throws in the second half, they would have had the lead going into the final 4 minutes. No excuse, they simply missed the shots.

Two of the 3's from RIT came with people in their face at NBA range with 1 second on the shot clock late in the game. This game wasn't even decided with 1 minute and 20 seconds left, as Utica blew some more foul shots that would have put them down 4.

Seems to me that you are still a little upset about the drubbing Ithaca recieved in Utica. I made no excuses, simply stated a fact. Utica makes their FT's tonight, they win. They didn't do it. Hence the "very disappointing" comment.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 28, 2006, 10:14:03 pm
Just got home from the Fisher-Ithaca game and look at all that has happened...

Tough loss for Naz, not much to say about that...

RIT beats Utica, and I could not be happier. That is a big deal for Fisher because they need to lose to Utica (at home), and another team to possibly give up the #1 seed, which is a huge deal.

As far as the Fisher game goes, they played a lot better then the last game that I went to(naz), but still not their best game. Ithaca made a run in the 2nd half and cut the lead to 10 and 9, but the issue was never really in doubt...

Happy to see the cards bounce back this week after the Naz loss




Actually, if Fisher loses to Utica by more than 8 points, and both teams win out in conference, Utica hosts. They would both end up with 2 league losses. The tie breaker is then head to head, which was split. The next tie breaker is point differential (sp?)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 28, 2006, 10:17:26 pm
Did I sleep through the apocalypse? Hartwick actually beat Nazareth... holy crap.. GB15, you better be careful, Wick is only halfway from your "I'll never post again" total of 4 wins... what a joke. :D

Still not worried. Hartwick has a total of two winnable games left on their schedule: @Elmira, vs Naz. I don't think they'll win both. Even if they do get to four games, which they won't, I can't be held to never posting again. Unilateral contracts are not enforceable in the state of Louisiana. I love law school! I'm kidding, I won't post again, but I'm still pretty safe.


I think you are safe. You might not want to make the same bet next season. I figured Hartwick would get their 1 upset. I assumed either Nazareth or Alfred, but was hoping Fisher.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: notjoshreed on January 28, 2006, 10:19:03 pm
Just got back from ithaca game, the results were never in doubt.  Was a much better and confident fisher  team today then the one that got beat by naz.  Good first half from fisher and again a strong defensive performance by bennett on Bellis.  Fisher would be a much better team if we could teach McSweeney how to shoot foul shots.  Fisher went 10 deep with contributions from almost all with nice contributions from gillette in the first half and mueller in the second
 
Congratulation to Jim Bellis on his first score of the day that brought him to the 1000 point level.  

Congrats to wick on your win,  I thought you looked respectible when you played fisher earlier in the year.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 28, 2006, 10:23:31 pm
If the tournament were to start today, the teams in it and the seedings look mighty similar to the previous two seasons. I may be wrong, but weren't Fisher, RIT, Utica, and Ithaca the participants in each of the first two tournaments?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 29, 2006, 04:20:28 am
That is correct, UCgrad. Believe me, I'm not upset about the "drubbing" Ithaca received at Utica. Doesn't that happen every year followed by Ithaca beating Utica in the Bulb? That's pretty much set in stone, isn't it? Good call, NJR, Bellis did achieve the 1,000 point plateau today against Fisher. Bennett did a pretty nice job on him but Jimmy did have 15 today, which is better than how he usually does when Bennett checks him. What I'm really wondering about is why Andruskiewicz is such an afterthought in Ithaca's offense right now. He's one of the few decent big men in this league and they don't give him the ball; I'm mystified by it.

That said, Ithaca is still in good shape to make the E8 tourney which I've said all along should be their goal for the regular season.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 29, 2006, 09:47:23 am
Ok boys I will take it on the chin.  Very dissappointed with the game yesterday.  We were our own worst enemy but RIT had a lot to do with it.  I will have to say that at this point RIT's coach should be the Coach of the year.  They lost all but 1 starter from last season and look at what they have done.

A few thoughts:
1) Ray Bryant is the best player in the league.  I am more convinced now that I have seen Snyder from RIT - I wanted to see him play once this season.  Bryant can do everything.  However we need to beat SJF for him to get the award!
2) If in fact Hartwick's coach was suspended for the RIT game then i give him major props because his kids obviously respond to him.
3) How can anyone possibly vote for anyone other than Cocozziello for rookid of the year.  I have seen Burton and I love my guy (Herring) but please that kid has already led Hartwick to 2 league wins with half of the season to play.  Enough said.  If Burton was on that team and Cocozziello was on Ithaca - Ithaca would be alot better and Hartwick would have 0 wins!  The same could be said for Herring.
4) I still think we are going to win this league.  Only time will tell.
..... and 5) The most exciting thing happening right now is the GBomber count.  I am looking forward to seeing him squirm a bit.  My money is on Wick to get past 4 wins.  Bomber you better post an awful lot the next few weeks because your life span on here is very short.
They play Alfred, Elmira, and Ithaca on the road (all teams they can beat) and then they play RIT and Naz at home.  Thank you for making this interesting.

As for the league we need to take care of business versus Alfred on Friday, and then the game for the league will be on Saturday.

Hey Mad Hawk - Where are you?  You finally win a game and you don't post?????????????

Congrats buddy!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 29, 2006, 10:40:43 am
"not upset about the "drubbing" Ithaca received at Utica. Doesn't that happen every year followed by Ithaca beating Utica in the Bulb? That's pretty much set in stone, isn't it? Good call, NJR, Bellis did achieve the 1,000 point plateau today against Fisher."

Just some friendly ribbing. Congratulations to Bellis.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 29, 2006, 11:50:08 am
Clear - ouch!
Hawk-Dear god-you won-and haven't posted?
GB15-Oh well-glad Fisher won- they still need to improve though!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 29, 2006, 01:07:54 pm
Not sure Hartwick can beat Ithaca in the Bulb. Ithaca handled them at Hartwick and the Bombers are 10x better at home, usually. Time will tell.

I'm just proud of myself for being able to write a coherent sentence, last night/early this morning, after about 5 hand grenades. Things are potent!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 29, 2006, 01:54:25 pm
Very nice win for the Tigers yesterday.  I wasn't able to go to the game so I don't have much more to say about it other than it bothers me that no one from the Sports Info department at RIT has posted the score of that game here yet.  There's a fine wrap-up here:  http://www.ritathletics.com/News/mbb/2006/1/28/mbb012806.asp?path=mbb

And the excuses are crap.  All the evidence points to RIT out-playing them, including the under-sized Tigers outrebounding Utica by 11. 

Hard to imagine anything other than an E8 tourney at Fisher again this year.  Will be tough for anyone to beat them there.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 29, 2006, 02:03:31 pm
Bamm, I wish Clear was as understanding as you
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 29, 2006, 02:55:06 pm
Very nice win for the Tigers yesterday.  I wasn't able to go to the game so I don't have much more to say about it other than it bothers me that no one from the Sports Info department at RIT has posted the score of that game here yet.  There's a fine wrap-up here:  http://www.ritathletics.com/News/mbb/2006/1/28/mbb012806.asp?path=mbb

And the excuses are crap.  All the evidence points to RIT out-playing them, including the under-sized Tigers outrebounding Utica by 11. 

Hard to imagine anything other than an E8 tourney at Fisher again this year.  Will be tough for anyone to beat them there.

Perhaps we read a different link.

I'm not sure if some here understand the definition of an excuse. An excuse would have been "we would have made our foul shots if we werent so tired from the game before, while RIT played Hartwick and rested most of their players". Nothing like that was said. There were no excuses made, we should have made our foul shots and converted the easy two points. It was a huge momentum swing, as the very article you posted pointed out "The Pioneers had a golden change to go up six when Bryant stole an errant Tiger pass and had a clear breakaway.  His one-handed tomahawk dunk went off the back of the rim and caromed to Colin Roy (Malta, NY/Malta).  Roy whirled and found Snyder alone at the other end for the easy lay-up and a 35-33 score.  RIT scored the next six points to go up 39-35 and never trailed after that."


Also, "The Tigers turned the ball over 20 times to Utica’s nine.  " Doesn't seem to point to any "dominance" on RIT's part. They played a good game, as you have to in order to beat Utica, but even they will admit our horrendous FT showing and the blown dunk were huge.

"The Tigers received a scare with 1:07 left in the first half, when Zeinfeld suffered an injury, as he collided with Utica’s Justin Cichon.  He limped off the court, but returned to start the second half."

This is a funny line, as most people agree that Jerry intentionally fouled Cichon hard on that very play.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 29, 2006, 03:00:13 pm
Justin Cichon became Utica's 2nd all team leading scorer on saturday.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on January 29, 2006, 03:06:35 pm
Letting RIT shoot over 50% from the field and 50% from the 3-pt line as well as getting outrebounded by a much smaller team were also huge.

Those look like a sign of being outworked more than anything, especially on the boards.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 29, 2006, 03:18:22 pm
Utica decides to miss an insane number of FT and blow a wide open dunk to beat themselves.

They didn't beat themselves, RIT beat them.  As gb15 pointed out, Utica shot 21-32, not exactly "horrendous".  You also said:

I made no excuses, simply stated a fact. Utica makes their FT's tonight, they win. They didn't do it. Hence the "very disappointing" comment.

Since RIT "only" shot 23-31 and still won by nine, couldn't an RIT fan say "we would have blown them out if we made our FT's"?

It seems the Utica fans are a bit testy after their "we're a different team this year, we'll win in Rochester" claims proved false.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 29, 2006, 03:45:40 pm
Considering that we missed six front end of one and ones, you might as well add another 6 attempts we would have had. They also were missed at key times of the game, greatly shifting momentum as most lead to 4 or 5 point turn arounds.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 29, 2006, 03:47:26 pm
So yes you might have beaten yourself. but this adds to fact that if you can't beat the weaker of the two big rochester teams then your gonna have a hell of a chance against Fisher at Fisher.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 29, 2006, 04:36:51 pm
So yes you might have beaten yourself. but this adds to fact that if you can't beat the weaker of the two big rochester teams then your gonna have a hell of a chance against Fisher at Fisher.

By that logic, I could just as easily claim we can beat Fisher at Fisher because naz beat them there and we beat naz on the road. I could even say Hartwick has a chance to beat Fisher at Fisher because they beat Naz on the road.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 29, 2006, 05:03:30 pm
yes but then you are negating the fact that Naz is next door to fisher and Fisher's biggest rival.  This is by far the biggest rival in the Empire 8 and these teams get fired up to play each other, this was Naz's national championship game.  I don't see utica or hartwick getting the crowd support or the emotion to beat fisher.  I hope that birdman and anyone else who was at the Fisher-Naz game can back me up. One I doubt that the Fisher utica or Fisher Hartwick games will sell-out,  Fisher Naz always sells out during the womens game.  So yes Hartwick could beat fisher and Utica could beat fisher BUT the game is different
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hoopfan17 on January 29, 2006, 05:16:41 pm
Just want to say congratulations to Hartwick for a great win at Nazareth.  Cocozziello played a great game, not to mention they were successful without Anthony Brown (their second leading scorer and leading rebounder) due to illness. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: notjoshreed on January 29, 2006, 05:37:26 pm
 
Superman, naz did playlike it was their championship game, fisher let them hang around and never put them away.  Emotion of the crowd was high and the atmosphere electric.  It was a fun game even with a fisher loss.  I look forward to the return game at Naz.  It's naz's home court but do not believe that naz can muster the strenght to beat fisher two times in a row.   Naz played real well to win and to comeback especialy with Canori being shut down by Bennett.   (I predict that Bennett keeps Canori to under 10 the second time) Fisher Alum was correct in saying good wins for Fisher this weekend but they do need to improeve, make foul shots and put teams away in order to go into the the Empire Eight tournament the Elite team of the league.

Yes Bellis did have 15 but only 9 from the floor and two of that was the fast break 2 point layup that brought Bellis to 1000 points.  Six of the points were foul shots, so I still think Bennet did a great job on Bellis and should be considered as defensive player of the year
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on January 29, 2006, 09:07:19 pm
All I have to say is that even Hartwick might have a chance of beating Syracuse.....they're pretty even. And that's not praise on Hartwick.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 29, 2006, 10:09:20 pm
That Hartwick over Naz score, at Naz, is mind-boggling.  Having seen both teams play, there is no doubt in my mind that Naz has better players at every position.  Just wow.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 29, 2006, 10:20:02 pm
NJR, 15 is 15, no matter how they come. Scorers find a way to score, it's the defender's job to stop him. Nobody is saying Bennett didn't do a good job on him, we're just saying Bellis did better than he usually does against Bennett.

By the way, watching the webcast of the game I noticed that Fisher's white uniforms look very Stanford-esque (especially the shorts). Did Fisher get new white uni's this year? I remember their whites from last year or the year before looked kinda old and the size of the shorts and jerseys weren't nearly as baggy as they are now.

Superman and UCgrad, no point in continuing to use syllogistic(A beat B, B beat C, therefore A will beat C) logic to figure out who will win in next weekend's Utica/Fisher game. You guys should know enough about sports to know that's not the way things work. Things like matchups and atmosphere can and do have an impact on the game. If anyone remembers, last year Caz Bombers found a way, through 13 degrees of separation, that would prove Hartwick (2-24 last year) would "beat" North Carolina (D1 nat'l champs). How many of us really think Hartwick could have stayed within 60 of UNC last year? Put your hand down, MadHawk. Bottom line, that line of logic is fallacious at best when used in a sporting realm, as evidenced by Caz's example.

UCgrad, I just don't think your FT argument carries much weight. Going into yesterday's game, Utica was shooting 66.1% from the FT line; yesterday, they shot 65.6%. They shot their FT's almost exactly the same as they have all season! The fact that six of the misses were front-ends is irrelevant to me, too. Free-throws are a part of the game, one of the easiest too, so if you can't make your FT's you're usually not that good of a team, right? It sounds like RIT simply outworked a Utica team that was far bigger and more athletic than the Tigers. That falls on the players and coaches, not on any missed FT's or missed dunks.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 29, 2006, 11:02:30 pm
GB15 thanks for the 16 degree's of sepperation, but I think I was trying to prove a point and I realize that it is a game and anything can happen, (see North Dakota State beating Wisconsin and Hartwick winning any games at all)  I was trying to prove that if you can't beat the weaker of the two strong rochester teams in rochester then you will have a rough time with the number 22 team in the country who has already beaten you once.








P.S. I was only joking about hartwick
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 30, 2006, 08:50:58 am
My my the board is testy.  RIT beat us!  there is that good enough for everyone.

I still think we are going to the tourny - so I guess that means we whave to beat Fisher at Fisher.  There I said that too.  We have the best player and a good coach and this is our year.

Hey MadHawk did you kill yourself in celebrating?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 30, 2006, 09:58:16 am
Clear,
You aren't even on the national radar.
You expect to get there how?
Beating SJF in Rochester and remain undefeated the rest of the season?
That is a tall order.
BTW- I loved the way the OD tucked the UC loss to RIT on page 4 of the Sunday paper!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 30, 2006, 10:00:27 am
I think MadHawk had two beers in celebration of Hartwick's win over Naz and he's probably still too hungover to post.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 30, 2006, 10:09:31 am
"Superman and UCgrad, no point in continuing to use syllogistic(A beat B, B beat C, therefore A will beat C) logic to figure out who will win in next weekend's Utica/Fisher game. You guys should know enough about sports to know that's not the way things work. Things like matchups and atmosphere can and do have an impact on the game"

I was being sarcastic to show superman that his claim didn't hold water.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 30, 2006, 10:14:05 am
Clear,
You aren't even on the national radar.
You expect to get there how?
Beating SJF in Rochester and remain undefeated the rest of the season?
That is a tall order.
BTW- I loved the way the OD tucked the UC loss to RIT on page 4 of the Sunday paper!


Utica beats Oswego and Fisher, and they have then beaten and/or are one of one of the top two teams in the liberty league, SUNYACS and Empire 8 respectively. That would be huge in considering an at large bid. A few years ago Fisher was not quite on the national radar either, had Utica beat them in the championship game, which they lost by three at Fisher, Fisher likely would have had an at large bid.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 30, 2006, 10:35:10 am
UC grad45,
Still, you have to win out.
Aint goin to happen!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 30, 2006, 10:43:12 am
I agree with Fisheralum. In order for Utica to get an at-large bid they probably have to beat Fisher and Oswego at their places. If Utica doesn't beat Ithaca in the Bulb--it's going to be a close game--then even if they do beat Fisher and Oswego, they have no shot at an at-large. All that said, if Utica gets blownout in the E8 final, I wouldn't be surprised if they were snubbed.

In other words, they need to win the rest of their regular season games and play Fisher close in the E8 final if they want an at-large. That loss at RIT was fairly damaging for those hopes.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: woot on January 30, 2006, 11:19:51 am
fisher looks too tough right now for utica. great turnaround season though for utica.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on January 30, 2006, 03:41:22 pm
clear, I didn't realize Hartwick had the best player in the league.  Who is it?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: rjcarter8 on January 30, 2006, 06:57:51 pm
I don't think Hartwick has the best player in the league, but Jan Coccozziello is one of the better freshmen in the league.

BTW, MadHawk where are you? I can't believe you haven't posted since the victory. Come on man, everyone wants to hear what you've got to say about Hartwick's rise to the top of the E8.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 30, 2006, 07:49:13 pm
I am starting a pool of what happened to Mad Hawk,
6-1 While at the Naz game saw the fisher campus and decided to transfer to a real winner
5-2-Met Clear at a local bar  and admited his true love
even money-Bamm met him at the naz game then gagged him and threw him in a closet somewhere at RIT

Please do not take offesence to this post it is just joking with everybody
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 30, 2006, 08:37:50 pm
Superman, you're just lobbing that one up there for everyone to hit out of the park. I have a ton of work to do or else I could probably come up with odds for about 40 things that could have potentially happened to MadHawk. I'll just do a couple for now.

35-1: At the RIT game, met a female student as ugly as him and ran off with her. He knew it was love at first sight when she took him up on his offer to listen to him recite every Hartwick starting guard since the 1973 season.

6-1: Went to Paradise Alley to celebrate 'Wick's victory over Naz. While sipping his water he proceeded to give the two bouncers a 30-minute narrative on the "History of Hartwick Basketball." About two minutes into his speech, he was forcibly carried to the bathroom where he's been attempting to remove himself from the toilet ever since.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 30, 2006, 09:02:20 pm
I don't think Hartwick has the best player in the league, but Jan Coccozziello is one of the better freshmen in the league.

BTW, MadHawk where are you? I can't believe you haven't posted since the victory. Come on man, everyone wants to hear what you've got to say about Hartwick's rise to the top of the E8.

I agree that he is one of the better freshmen. I don't think he is the best freshman however. He has a lot of athletic ability, and plays very hard. However, he really needs to refine his game. As he matures, he could easily develop into the best player in the conference. Right now however, he makes a lot of freshman mistakes that other freshmen in the league are not making. It could be attributed to trying to do to much to make up for the overall lack of talent on his team. It will be interesting to see what he does his senior year.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on January 30, 2006, 09:07:26 pm
So if Utica doesnt get an at-large bid...which will be very very difficult...whose to say they can't win the E8 tourny.  Anything can happen come tournament time. 

Fisheralumn....really when does the OD put UC basketball games anywhere but the 4th page (if they put the scores in at all!)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: notjoshreed on January 30, 2006, 09:14:19 pm
Hey Hartwick, You are not playing coy and waiting to win 2 games in a row are ya?  Hate to burst your bubble but next game Friday night is at Fisher.  You better post now whille the getting is good!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 31, 2006, 08:09:54 am
Lileyes,
The last time UC b'ball got cres was when they beat Hamilton, and it seems just like their other local coverages (Yankees, Rangers, Bills etc) if the team loses it gets put back a few pages.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 31, 2006, 10:30:37 am
People point to the empire 8 not getting an at large bid before. However, we havn't had two teams finish with as good a record as the possibility of two teams finishing this season.

If Utica beats Oswego, there is a good chance that an at large bid could come down to a Hamilton, Oswego, or other top teams in their respective conferences, or Utica (of course Utica can still win the conference, Fisher did not look good at all and escaped feeling extremely lucky). If it does, and Utica has wins over the top teams in those leagues, they then hold the advantage over any teams in said leagues.

Regardless, this is a huge weekend in empire 8 action for all the teams. It's pretty clear that any team in the conference can lose to any other team.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 31, 2006, 10:38:10 am
Except to Elmira.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on January 31, 2006, 11:04:37 am
Booyah Folks!
I am back!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It was just a matter of time....

After a frusterating Friday night at RIT, the Hawks bounced back to shock Nazareth on Saturday. Kudos to the Hartwick coaching staff who must have really motivated the Hawks after their loss to RIT. What makes the win even sweeter is 1) it was on the road in Rochester 2) the Hawks were able to compete with a hostile crowd on hand. The Hawks are halfway through the Empire 8 season and I couldn't be more proud. With the exception of 2 or 3 halves the Hawks have been able to compete thus far this season. The young Hartwick squad is doing much better this season. In fact I think the Hawks are under-achieving!

There are seven more conference games, with none of them being un-winnable games. The Hawks finally have a base to work from. The season is far from being over for the Hawks, as the conference players is still in sight.


Lastly, I would like to publicly thank the board of directors, administration, athletic department of Nazareth for hosting such an exciting college basketball game on Saturday.

MadHawk (aka Uncle Booyah)
Hartwick Basketball Empire
Public Relations


Hawks Win!!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on January 31, 2006, 11:16:52 am
We all knew that it was just a matter of time didn't we :P
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on January 31, 2006, 11:51:08 am
MadHawk, I smited your piddly ass because of the obnoxiousness of the size of that Booyah. That is really unnecessary.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 31, 2006, 12:37:21 pm
Except to Elmira.

That is awesome.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 31, 2006, 01:05:50 pm
In reply to somebody's talk of odds about 15 posts up the board or so....

Odds Mad Hawk walks around Oneonta dressed like/walking like/talking like/wanting to be like Jamie Kennedy in Malibu's Most Wanted....even money.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on January 31, 2006, 01:58:06 pm
My name is Mad-Hawk.
Not Robbie van Winkle.
I like my lattes non-fat
and don't fo-get the sprinkle.

Congradulations to Fran Snyder on the RACA player of week, I'm suprised they counted the stats against Hartwick though.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on January 31, 2006, 06:02:14 pm
Unless I missed something, I never said Cocozziello was or Hartwick had the best player in the league.
I said we had the best player in the league, Ray Bryant.  It isn't even close.  He is the best player.  I believe that is what I said earlier.

Peace
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on January 31, 2006, 06:07:26 pm
I will reserve comment untill watching Bryant play, but Bellis played very well against the best defensive player in the league (Bennett).  despite going 1-12 against fisher Canori obviously was the focal point of the Naz offense, and Alfred would be one hell of a team if they just gave Q. Bryant the ball let him score 18-19 a game and Alfred would be a dominating team.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on January 31, 2006, 06:32:38 pm
Only a Hartwick fan could get this excited about a win against a Naz team that will probably not even make the empire 8 tourny...good god.

Granted Fisher lost to Naz, but come on, they are still naz...lets move on madhawk.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 31, 2006, 07:04:05 pm
Only a Hartwick fan could get this excited about a win against a Naz team that will probably not even make the empire 8 tourny...good god.

Granted Fisher lost to Naz, but come on, they are still naz...lets move on madhawk.

Chris Andersen posts on d3hoops.com? He does have a lot of time on his hands now, I guess. Still one of the best NBA moments ever when, before the dunk contest, he told the broadcaster,"The Bird Man is about to take flight," then proceeded to miss every dunk. I can proudly say I saw that moment live and it doesn't get much better than that.

However, I had my hopes through the roof that I could make a sign commemorating that moment when the Hornets are back in New Orleans at the end of the season, but Bird Man likes the grass a little too much.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: notjoshreed on January 31, 2006, 09:08:22 pm
 Welcome Back Cotter, I mean Hawk.
As I await the State of the Union Address by President Bush I am struck by the parallels between Hawk and the President.  First of all they are both unifiers, the original claim by Pres Bush during his first quest for the presidency.  This week the rest of us were left waiting for the return of Hawk to unify us against Hartwick on the D3Blog.   Tonight the President speaks to a country trying to put the best spin possible on the war in Iraq trying to continue to justify our presence their.  Hawk returns to us tonight trying to parlay one win over Nazareth into a championship season ad to continue to justify keeping Hartwick in the collegiate ranks of the Empire 8 league.

Booyah

Bring it on Bubba
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 31, 2006, 10:03:11 pm
I'm at the library so I'm missing the speech, but I'm more anxious to hear his spin on the fact that some areas in New Orleans haven't much improved from the days immediately after the hurricane. I don't blame it solely on him, as the layers of governmental bureaucracy are thick, but it definitely happened on his watch and he's done little more than lip service to get this place fixed. Ask Kanye West why New Orleans is still suffering. Oh man, Ray Nagin and Dubya working together to get something accomplished...ponder that for a moment.

Ok, enough with the political rant. Ithaca get a nice little road win tonight, beating Oneonta, 69-64. Either Jim Mullins or Brian Andruskiewicz reads this board because after my tirade about why Andruskiewicz isn't more involved in the offense, he goes off for 22 pts and 16 rebs. Coming into this year, I thought those would be the numbers he'd put up every third game. Considering his first three years, there's absolutely no reason he couldn't put up averages close to 17 and 8. He's a less athletic version of Ty Schultz but with a better jumper and right-handed. Ok, fine, they aren't much alike other than the fact they're both good. I hope this continues for the rest of the season, this would make Ithaca a much tougher team. Oh, and Jimmy Bellis had 23 points, too. He's a mortal lock for 1st Team All-E8.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on January 31, 2006, 10:25:32 pm
As I await the State of the Union Address by President Bush I am struck by the parallels between Hawk and the President. 

Thinking of about seventy other similarities but holding my tongue...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on January 31, 2006, 11:22:31 pm
Say what you will, that was a great speech.

"Hindsight is not wisdom, and second guessing is not a strategy".
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on January 31, 2006, 11:51:11 pm
No need for second-guessing when the President of your own country has abandoned a major city (see rejection of the Baker Bill), most can catch that on their "first guess." This state is going to resemble a 3rd World Country for next 20 years and don't tell me he isn't partially to blame for such.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 01, 2006, 12:30:39 am
Wasn't a road win, GB15.  The game was at the Bulb...which causes me to raise an eyebrow that we only won by 5 against a bottom-dwelling SUNYAC team.

I thought Oneonta was primed for big things this year, big by O-State's standards meaning top 4 in SUNYAC, doesn't seem to have happened.  It is good to see #4 for O-State having a strong senior year (he had 18 points to lead the Dragons tonight), he's a former colleague and friend.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 01, 2006, 08:21:17 am
Good weekend to be at SJF.
Hartwick appetizer and UC for the main course.
Varsity gym should be loud!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on February 01, 2006, 09:21:06 am
conceit, my bad.  I glad you weren't talking about Hartwick, and to make it up I'm going to campaign for Ray as player of the year.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on February 01, 2006, 10:08:27 am
Good weekend to be at SJF.
Hartwick appetizer and UC for the main course.
Varsity gym should be loud!!

Alternatively there could an upset or two:

Marquette downed UCONN

Georgetown downed DUKE

West Virginia downed NOVA

Texas downed NOVA

and of course

Naz downed FISHER

and don't forget

the Minutemen downed the British in the American Revolution

Under Dogs Can Win in College Basketball & History!!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 01, 2006, 10:12:09 am
Listen here my dorm-ridden, hill climbing, delusional friend,
It...won't...happen!!!
The teams that you mentioned that pulled the upsets actually had talent!
You have 1 player.
Wake up and smell the dorm food.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 01, 2006, 10:16:55 am
Good weekend to be at SJF.
Hartwick appetizer and UC for the main course.
Varsity gym should be loud!!

UC for the main course my ass. Hopefully, Utica can pull off the upset... I guess it would be considered an upset.

I will go out on a limb here (big limb!) and say that Fisher destroys Hartwick by 25 points. Give it to Fisher 85-60.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 01, 2006, 10:18:34 am
I'm not saying that UC can't pull the upset. I just was inferring that it was the better game!
Geez crew where is the love?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 01, 2006, 12:56:40 pm
UC will need to play a perfect game and hartwick will need to have the starting five of fisher all come down with the same exact mystirous disease that they can't find a cure too.  and to say that since Naz beat fisher Hartwick can beat fisher is a load of BS, because the Hartwick fisher game will be very tame compared to the Fisher Naz.  By the way its looking like all four games this weekend will be broadcasted over the internet.  As I get more info  I will post the site on here.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 01, 2006, 01:14:32 pm
Superman-I must say that it is really hard to understand the Fisher/Naz relationship unless you go to Fisher or Naz.  Whan I played for Fisher vs Naz in soccer we had bench clearing brawls 2 years running!!  It wasn't and still (from what I hear) isn't pretty!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 01, 2006, 01:55:20 pm
I know the best that I can explain it as is UNC-Duke or something like that, but I think that there is even more hatred than that between the two schools.  I was in Fairport Hots last year and some kids from Naz tried to start a fight with the fisher students
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on February 01, 2006, 01:59:14 pm
No need for second-guessing when the President of your own country has abandoned a major city (see rejection of the Baker Bill), most can catch that on their "first guess." This state is going to resemble a 3rd World Country for next 20 years and don't tell me he isn't partially to blame for such.

Actually, if you look into the history of the state and city, you will find that the local and state governments have been democrats, and extremely corrupt. There was money that was supposed to go to making the levees strong enough to withstand a level 5 approved several times. Somehow, that money never made it there, and the public officials mysteriously lived well above their means. This went on for over a century. In fact, in the hurricanes aftermath, one of the democrat legislators in the city forced national guard troops to go to his house, and wait outside for almost an hour while he collected his personal belongings. These are the stories that we rarely hear in our mainstream media, because they contradict the agenda we have forced down our thorats on a daily basis.

Even more interesting was the finding that Katrina was not a level 5 when it hit NO. It was down to a level 4.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 01, 2006, 02:18:28 pm
Superman,
It happened on a weekly basis!
When you went into east roch to the bars Fisher had theirs and Naz had theirs- and never the two shall meet.  Too bad too- some of those Naz chicks were hot!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 01, 2006, 02:48:35 pm
UCgrad, if you go back and look at my posts from yesterday you'll see I said it wasn't ALL his fault. I understand the history of New Orleans government and the corruption it entails. Money that should have gone to levee improvement never found its way there cannot be blamed solely on Dems or Republicans. They learned a very hard lesson.

However, my argument is that the President doesn't recognize the magnitude of the problem down here. Just because it isn't on the news 24 hours/day, doesn't mean that things are alright. He said 163 words of 5,300 word speech about the problems on the Gulf Coast? Are you joking? THIS should have been the crux of his address, not some mention-in-passing, "we're gonna get it done" paragraph. The federal response has been haphazard at best and an utter failure at worse. To say otherwise, is an absolute joke. The President denied a bill(Baker bill) that passed in Congress. This bill would have put life in the region's economic infrastructure. Instead, W essentially signed the region's death certificate for the near future.

Anyways, this isn't a forum for this talk. Most intriguing games this weekend:

1)Fisher v. Utica
2)Ithaca @ RIT
 
I think those are probably the four E8 tourney participants.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 01, 2006, 03:05:19 pm
While I think the conversation on the Gulf Coast, New Orleans, and the President in general is an interesting one (lord knows Bamm could write a few pages on the subject himself), I'm more interested in games for this weekend.

Will Utica be able to come back to Rochester and get a win vs. Fisher? I have to image that the Alfred/SJF is the toughest road trip in terms of travel for Utica. If Alfred gives UC any trouble at all, will they be able to bounce back vs. what should be a rested SJF (because they are going to kill Hartwick)? I think Utica will be up for this game, but I think Fisher gets by at home.

As far as the Ithaca vs. RIT game, RIT has been playing pretty well as of late, and Ithaca is not the same team on the road. If Fran Snyder can continue is return to "Evil Fran" form, I think RIT pulls this one out as well.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: rjcarter8 on February 01, 2006, 03:31:10 pm
GB15, I agree with your assessment of the weekend games, though I'm sure MadHawk  will disagree, because he knows Hartwick is going to start its run to the NCAA Division III championship with a victory over Fisher Friday.

Gee, I wonder how big the booyah will be this time.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 01, 2006, 03:31:54 pm
Over the last three and a half seasons Fisher is 41-2 at their place.  I think I'll take the Cardinals, and by a comfortable margin.

By the way, the two losses were to Naz this year and Hamilton to end their '02/'03 season.

The RIT / Ithaca game should be more enjoyable.  If the Tigers continue their hot shooting I don't see them losing at home.  I'll take them by 5.  

Still unproven against good competition on the road, I would say Utica should worry about Alfred on Friday night, but what gives with the Saxons being taken to the wire by Elmira?  

UCGrad:  "Even more interesting was the finding that Katrina was not a level 5 when it hit NO. It was down to a level 4. "

I'm struggling to figure out why that's interesting.  Does that mean GB15's fridge is going to come in sooner?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: rjcarter8 on February 01, 2006, 03:37:05 pm
Bamm,

I'll give you a two word answer to your Alfred-Elmira question: Bad Coaching.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 01, 2006, 03:39:00 pm
That answer doesn't suprise me.  Alfred seems to consistently have good talent and a poor record.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 01, 2006, 03:52:03 pm
Poor coaching is Alfred's MO.

A few years back they had the most talented team in the league (Downey, Docteur, Stortini, etc.) and couldn't get it done. They did have some injuries but they never seemed to put a great season together. Pretty depressing for Alfred fans, probably a blessing for the rest of the league.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on February 01, 2006, 04:59:40 pm
tigerfan, any year that Reggie Shore was in the league they could have only been considered the second most talented team.  But yes, I'll give them that.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on February 01, 2006, 07:43:04 pm
Everyone is talking how much Fisher will kill Hartwick,I think the two games are so important to Fisher that they my be under alot of pressure and both games may be close. I really think they will win both games,I will be there.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 01, 2006, 10:16:44 pm
Fisher can sleepwalk through the Hartwick game and win by 25. My early lines for this weekend's games (home team in CAPS)

Friday

FISHER -22.5 vs Hartwick
Utica -6.5 @ ALFRED
Ithaca -5 @ NAZ
RIT -24 vs Elmira

Saturday

ALFRED -8 vs Hartwick
NAZ -15.5 vs Elmira
RIT -7 vs Ithaca
FISHER -4.5 vs Utica
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 02, 2006, 07:31:13 am
GB15,
I like the vote of confidence against wick, but I'll put the line at 15.
I like Fisher at home over Utica by 6 because the road ain't been kind to UC.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 02, 2006, 10:22:54 am
Poor coaching is Alfred's MO.

A few years back they had the most talented team in the league (Downey, Docteur, Stortini, etc.) and couldn't get it done. They did have some injuries but they never seemed to put a great season together. Pretty depressing for Alfred fans, probably a blessing for the rest of the league.

Man this is the understatement of the year.  Devin Downey was incredible.  How they didn't walk through the league every season they had him was always beyond me.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 02, 2006, 07:41:08 pm
My picks for this weekend:

Friday

Fisher 84  Hartwick 61
Utica 69  Alfred 65
RIT 82  Elmira 60
Ithaca 74  Naz 68

Saturday

Alfred 70  Hartwick 64
Naz 83  Elmira 72
RIT 72 Ithaca 66
Fisher 75  Utica 65
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on February 03, 2006, 08:55:18 am
9 Freshmen
1 Sophmore
3 Juniors (2 of whom are transfers)
2 Seniors (1 transfer)

3 Returners
12 New Players

Starters
Youngest Starting 5 in the E8 (No prior seasons of experience)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
Booyah

Tonight is Battle of the Beaks...Part II

Fisher won the first battle. It is possible the Hawks could take the second

The Hawks will take their 1 game winning streak to the campus of St. John Fisher tonight. While Fisher is a tough team, they are by no means unbeatable (Case in point Nazareth). Who beat Naz last weekend? The Hawks!!!!! Enough said

Tomorrow the Hawks will have a very winnable game against the Saxtons. Enough Said

Remember it's college basketball Baby! Upsets DO happen!



Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 03, 2006, 09:09:05 am
9 Freshmen
1 Sophmore
3 Juniors (2 of whom are transfers)
2 Seniors (1 transfer)

3 Returners
12 New Players

Starters
Youngest Starting 5 in the E8 (No prior seasons of experience)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\
Booyah

Tonight is Battle of the Beaks...Part II

Fisher won the first battle. It is possible the Hawks could take the second

The Hawks will take their 1 game winning streak to the campus of St. John Fisher tonight. While Fisher is a tough team, they are by no means unbeatable (Case in point Nazareth). Who beat Naz last weekend? The Hawks!!!!! Enough said

Tomorrow the Hawks will have a very winnable game against the Saxtons. Enough Said

Remember it's college basketball Baby! Upsets DO happen!





I hope Hartwick loses both games by 30.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 03, 2006, 09:52:23 am
They will lose both games and then we'll laugh at MadHawk. Didn't you all love some of the "big upsets" at the D1 level he cited as evidence for why Hartwick could pull upsets. For instance, WVU beating Villanova. I mean, WVU wasn't ranked in the pre-season top 10 were they? What, they were? My bad. Or how about Texas "pulling an upset." Texas was ranked #2 preseason, how is any game they win an "upset." Or Marquette beating UConn when that was UConn's PG's first game back during the season and Marquette shot something like 60% from 3's.

The big difference between all those teams and Hartwick is that those D1 teams have very talented players. There is no Mike Gansey or Daniel Gibson or Steve Novak on Hartwick, believe it or not. All those guys on the teams MadHawk mentioned are competent-to-excellent D1 players. Hartwick has two above-average players and a bunch of hacks. How does Hartwick have a chance to beat Fisher? Give me one plausible situation that does not entail Fisher starters getting into an accident on 490 that would allow Hartwick to stay within 20 points tonight. I'm serious, I want to hear it.

Cocozziello is gonna get locked up Bennett and that game is going to be over by half. Though if you look at some of his games, he seems to be a great garbage time scorer, so he's got that going for him...which is nice.

Fisher by 25 tonight, Alfred by 10'ish tomorrow. You're still a 7th place team, MadHawk, know your role.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 03, 2006, 10:07:15 am
They will lose both games and then we'll laugh at MadHawk. Didn't you all love some of the "big upsets" at the D1 level he cited as evidence for why Hartwick could pull upsets. For instance, WVU beating Villanova. I mean, WVU wasn't ranked in the pre-season top 10 were they? What, they were? My bad. Or how about Texas "pulling an upset." Texas was ranked #2 preseason, how is any game they win an "upset." Or Marquette beating UConn when that was UConn's PG's first game back during the season and Marquette shot something like 60% from 3's.

The big difference between all those teams and Hartwick is that those D1 teams have very talented players. There is no Mike Gansey or Daniel Gibson or Steve Novak on Hartwick, believe it or not. All those guys on the teams MadHawk mentioned are competent-to-excellent D1 players. Hartwick has two above-average players and a bunch of hacks. How does Hartwick have a chance to beat Fisher? Give me one plausible situation that does not entail Fisher starters getting into an accident on 490 that would allow Hartwick to stay within 20 points tonight. I'm serious, I want to hear it.

Cocozziello is gonna get locked up Bennett and that game is going to be over by half. Though if you look at some of his games, he seems to be a great garbage time scorer, so he's got that going for him...which is nice.

Fisher by 25 tonight, Alfred by 10'ish tomorrow. You're still a 7th place team, MadHawk, know your role.

Good rant, but you only came up with Mike Gansey for WVU? How could you forget Kevin Pittsnogle???
The only guy playing whose name is now a verb: "You've just been Pittsnogled!"
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 03, 2006, 10:16:21 am
Give me one plausible situation that does not entail Fisher starters getting into an accident on 490 that would allow Hartwick to stay within 20 points tonight. I'm serious, I want to hear it.

Actually, I'm not even sure that would help.  I'm pretty confident that Auman, Gillette and the rest of Fisher's second team could handle Hartwick.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 03, 2006, 10:19:05 am
All I can say is that when I went to Fisher, the only thing that steamrolled both the soccer AND football team was a nasty case of food poisioning.  That sucked!  We were violently sick for 2 days!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 03, 2006, 11:17:46 am
You don't get out much do ya hawk?

Too bad- some great bars there in O-town.

You will lose big tonight my little weird dorm gnome!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2006, 12:23:47 pm
There's no need for the big blank space in your post, Mad Hawk.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 03, 2006, 12:41:37 pm
Oooooooo,
Hawk now you dunnit!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 03, 2006, 01:17:28 pm
Poor coaching is Alfred's MO.

A few years back they had the most talented team in the league (Downey, Docteur, Stortini, etc.) and couldn't get it done. They did have some injuries but they never seemed to put a great season together. Pretty depressing for Alfred fans, probably a blessing for the rest of the league.

As a lifelong Saxon fan, I can't argue with you here. AU kids play hard. And they're talented. But seldom do I see, if any at all, tactical changes. No real strategy. I don't think I've seen AU in a zone defense in years, but then, I'm not a D3 basketball coach so I really don't know anything.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 03, 2006, 02:36:48 pm
Hey hawk so you can listen to the sure demise of the Hartwick empire www.teamline.cc type in St. John Fisher
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 03, 2006, 04:05:48 pm
MadHawk Accepts Position as Iraqi Minister of Information

Early this afternoon, the government of Iraq announced that MadHawk has been named to the post of Iraqi Minister of Information. MadHawk assumes the position left vacant by the capture of Muhammad Saeed al-Sahaaf shortly after the United States' invasion of the country.

Al-Sahaaf, remembered fondly by Americans for his "rah rah" attitude and his heavily propagondized messages to the Iraqi people, has left large shoes to fill. "He was a really an icon to me when I was growing up," says MadHawk, his successor, "no matter what the truth was, he taught me to just 'deny, deny, deny and hope some people eventually start believing you.' "

Members of the Iraqi committee in charge of electing a new Minister of Information feel the country has found the perfect man for the job. "MadHawk's firm disregard for facts and his ability to make new and innovative excuses really set him apart from the competition," agreed new Iraqi President, Jalal Tabani. The President, while not explicitly admitting such, did not deny MadHawk's lack of education was a great asset, as well.

Critics of the move even admit MadHawk's prowess for unrealistic and false statements are unparalleled at this moment in history. However, there is much work to be done in this war-ravaged country. MadHawk's first order of business is to convince the Iraqi people that despite reports to the contrary, Iraqi's are really much better basketball players than Americans.

Such a bleak prospectus does not phase what some are already deeming the "Minister of Misinformation." Accepting the job immediately, MadHawk quipped, "I once convinced some guys on a post board that my alma mater was not a terrible basketball team when, in reality, it was one of the worst assemblages of talent that American College Basketball has ever seen."

The road to success for MadHawk is a long one, though, and is sure to be filled with its share of roadblocks--or should I say Iraqi checkpoints. In one of his first acts after taking the job, the MadHawk was nearly assassinated while attempting to convince an Iraqi boarder guard that contrary to popular belief, the sun really rises in the West.

Nobody knows how this will turn out. One thing can be assured, though, MadHawk will certainly never speak a word of truth; "I made a vow when I was in college to never let the truth get in the way of my message and that's not gonna change anytime soon!"
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 03, 2006, 07:57:23 pm
Most interesting games tonight (these are always the games that don't involve Hartwick or Elmira):

Ithaca v. Naz -- Nazareth really needs this one.  If Canori and Groot shoot the ball well they have a shot.  Ithaca could really tighten their grip on a playoff spot with a win.

Utica v. Alfred -- The Saxons are desperate for a win and this one would be huge. 

GB15 -- that post is fantastic.  Suzy must be proud.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 03, 2006, 10:06:37 pm
Thanks, Bamm.

In a nailbiter, Fisher beats Hartwick by 24. My spread was almost perfect.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 03, 2006, 10:15:09 pm
Bad news for Bomber fans. Ithaca gets knocked off at Naz, 95-88. Earlier today, I thought to myself "the only way Ithaca loses this game tonight is if they try to get into a shootout." Needless to say, Ithaca got into a shootout. This hurts them a lot in their attempt to avoid Fisher in the 1st round of the E8 tourney. Also, with a victory over Naz tonight the Bombers would have swept the season series and made it nearly impossible for Naz to overtake them. Now Naz is 4-4 and Ithaca is 5-3 with games left @RIT, @Fisher, @Alfred, and vs Utica. Bad loss for Ithaca.

Now we get to hear "Hartwick beat Naz, Naz beat Ithaca, therefore Hartwick will beat Ithaca." Well, we saw how well that line of logic worked tonight in the 'Wick/Fisher game. Ithaca is going to steamroll the Hawks next weekend.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 03, 2006, 10:18:06 pm
Coco crisp was shut down by Bennett again.  I do have to say hartwick has some talent.  But they are undisciplined.  You can't committ as many fouls as they did and you can't turn it over as much as they did
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 03, 2006, 11:35:16 pm
Once again Madhawks stupidity rules the day. Just when I thought he could not say anything that would drop him in stature, he comes out with a jem about The Hawks beating Fisher on the road, because Naz did it, and they beat Naz so, obviously they are much better than Fisher.

Traditionally I am not a big fan of running up the score, but I kind of wish Fisher would have kept the pedal down on Hartwick just because I knew MadHawk dies a little inside with every point his team losses by.
Keep fighting the good fight MadHawk, while the rest of us Keep fighting for a tournament slot.

Anyway, I am glad to see that Fisher took care of business and really took Hartwick behind the woodshed.

GO CARDS...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 04, 2006, 12:57:58 am
Who is excited for MadHawk's inevitable "even though Fisher beat Hartwick by a combined 50 points in their two games, the teams have similar talent levels" post tomorrow? I am.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 04, 2006, 10:28:17 am
I said RIT would beat Ithaca if they continued their hot shooting.  I know it's Elmira, but last night they turned it up again:

"The RIT men's basketball tied a school record for three-pointers in a game with 16 in a 97-71 win over Elmira College. The Tigers shot 66.7% from the floor, including 73.9% in the second half en route to the win. "

http://www.ritathletics.com/News/mbb/2006/2/3/mbb020306.asp?path=mbb
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 04, 2006, 11:13:10 am
RIT should win today, Ithaca's play has dropped off in the last couple weeks. I think they were playing their best ball the weekend they handled both RIT and Naz, but since have been inconsistent. Ithaca shot well from the floor last night (50%), great from distance (over 50%) and hit their FT's (80%)...and still lost by 7 points. They need to play some defense today if they want a chance.

Here's why Mullins is a terrible coach. When I was looking at Naz's schedule yesterday, I immediately noticed a trend within the first five seconds: when Naz scores in the low-70's or worse, they're terrible. I think their record is something like 2-11 in those games. Sure, they beat Fisher in a low-scoring game but I think we've already come to accept that game was the exception to a lot of rules. All Mullins had to do was slow the game down, play half-court, run the shot-clock down and they had an amazing chance to win.

I'm not sure if Naz struggles with that game because they don't want to play it or they're too impatient on offense or their defense just breaks down too often for games where every possession becomes valuable. Whatever it is, it's obvious they want to run-n-gun. So leave it to Jim Mullins to go into Naz's gym and get into a game where both teams had a chance to get to 100. What an idiot. This is like JV high school stuff; don't get into an up-tempo game with a team who plays that game well and can only play that type of game.

The way RIT is shooting and the big advantage McVean has on Mullins will probably lead to a 15-point victory for the Tigers today.

Big game in Pittsford as Utica comes calling at Varsity Gym. If Fisher wins, the E8 tourney is pretty much guaranteed to be at their place again. I say that only because Fisher seems to be RIT's kryptonite and the Tigers start playing like they've never seen a basketball before when they're on the same court as Fisher. If Utica wins, they're in the driver's seat because the tiebreaker that would decide it would be the famous "go from the bottom to the top and whoever has the worst record against a lower team (in this case, Naz) loses the tiebreaker." But Utica still would have to win in the Bulb to hold on.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 04, 2006, 11:30:56 am
Ilikr SJF's chances tonight.
Playing in that gym has been horrible for UC.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 04, 2006, 01:15:19 pm
Fisher/Utica game is on the radio and can be heard at this site:

www.wysl1040.com

Tip at 4pm.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: notjoshreed on February 04, 2006, 01:41:23 pm
Ilikr SJF's chances tonight.
Playing in that gym has been horrible for UC.

Come on Fisher Alum, put it in the book, two biggest games left this weekend Fisher by 13  over Utica with even scoring between O'Brien, Biegel, McGgee and Gillette off the bench with 8 pts and 5 rebounds

Pittsburgh over Seahawks (at least there is one Hawk in contention for something) by 13 as well with Bettis going out big in Detroit, saddle up and enjoy the next 30 hours of pure fun
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 04, 2006, 02:05:32 pm
I like the pick...I think Utica is a real good team, but I think Fisher will handle em tonight...GO CARDS.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 04, 2006, 02:48:38 pm
Anyone else notice how much quieter the Utica fans are this time around than they were before the two teams met the first time. I'm sure if they win, though, we're going to have to listen to it for a long time. With that thought in my head, I'm now rooting for Fisher tonight.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 04, 2006, 05:59:51 pm
Fisher coasts to a very easy win over Utica, 82-70.

The game wasn't even that close. The Cardinals dominated this game throughout, leading by as many 21 in the 2nd half and not allowing Utica within 12 in the 2nd half until the last two minutes during garbage time. Nick Bennett shuts down Ray Bryant, who had right around 13 points, 6 of which came in the aforementioned last two minutes of the game with Bennett not on the floor. I don't have the numbers yet, but Bryant must have shot something like 4-15. Seems Bennett has his number.

I distinctly remember a certain Utica fan saying a) Nick Bennett is the most overrated player in the league, and b) Ray Bryant is the best player in the league. Care to reconsider those comments?

I hope this ends all that pathetic "Utica is the best team in the conference" talk, after Fisher took them behind the woodshed this afternoon. Hey Pioneers, go get your shinebox.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 04, 2006, 06:19:05 pm
Fisher adds more proof to the fact that they are the best team in the conference. I am sure Clear and some other Utica fans will have you believe that even tho Fisher beat UC twice, UC really shot themselves in the foot and that they are the true power in the conference...I think we can all look at those remarks from clear and laugh now...

Hey Clear how is that at large bid/any trip to the tourny lookin...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 04, 2006, 06:24:42 pm
AU wins battle of E8 2-6 squads; I think it was 68-54. Good to see Alfred-Almond grad John Montana, Hartwick senior co-captain, get some court time--with a nice assist. Saxons move to 3-6 with Fisher at McLane Center on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 04, 2006, 06:27:22 pm
Ithaca overcomes a 15 point second half deficit to take down RIT @ Clark Gym.

Big game for Fran Snyder in a losing cause, 34 points.

52 - 40 advantage for the Tigers at the half.  58 - 43 was the biggest lead, I believe, with about 15' to go.  Ithaca slowly chipped away at the lead on balanced scoring.  

This result, combined with the Cardinals win today, virtually assures the E8 championship will take place @ Fisher. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: woot on February 04, 2006, 06:52:24 pm
i think hamilton would beat fisher
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 04, 2006, 07:10:29 pm
i think hamilton would beat fisher

Probably not if the game is at Fisher.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: notjoshreed on February 04, 2006, 07:20:17 pm
Did I say Fisher by 13, sorry it was only 12, and that does not tell the story or the game.  Fisher did dominate, Biegel in foul trouble but breakout game for Smalt with 14.  O'brien had good game with 20.  Bennet solid deffensive game but a couple of cheap fouls from the short ref who tried to change the character of the game early in Utica's favor.  Guy was whistle happy.

Also a screwy call during the second half.  Ref under the basket called a blocking foul on Utica, ref on the perimiter started to react after the other ref blue his whistle startting to indicate a charge.  The Utica coach toook charge of the officiating and took 5 minutes to make a decision.  Not sure what they ended up calling but Fisher got the ball out of bounds

Prediction # 2 Pittsburg over the Hawks
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: naz hoops69 on February 04, 2006, 10:27:34 pm
Big weekend for Naz highlighted by strong performances by Ryan Mcadam and Matt Groot.  Since he started getting the playing time he deserves, Groot has really stepped up.  Mcadam is continuing to show how he can easily be one of the frontrunners for E8 player of the year over the next two years.  After losing to basically a high school team in Hartwick last weekend, Nazareth turned around this weekend with some strong performances team wide.  Tuesday will end up being a big game after all after seeing RIT's big choke-job at home today blowing a 15 point second half lead. 

I see Utica and Fisher as being locks for the tournament at this point, however I am not sold on Ithaca or RIT at all.  Having seen RIT play a few times, I am not at all impressed with their lack of athleticism and size.  Strong perimiter shooting has carried them through some impressive wins thus far but eventually the off balance 25 footers will start rimming out.  Prediction for the last 5 games of the season..... Naz will win out and host the E8 tournament after Fisher loses tight ones to Elmira and Alfred. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: notjoshreed on February 04, 2006, 10:51:27 pm
Prediction for the last 5 games of the season..... Naz will win out and host the E8 tournament after Fisher loses tight ones to Elmira and Alfred.

What are you smoking son?  No way Naz is hosting E8.  You still have to get by Hartwick again as well as a couple of teams called Utica and St John Fisher
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 05, 2006, 01:07:04 am
Hey Naz Hoops, not sold on Ithaca? Which one of the 10 Ithaca victories in the last 13 games against Naz didn't make you a believer? Your team is on the outside looking in and the Flyers are screwed on the tiebreakers thanks to the loss at home against Hartwick. Enjoy also-ran status this year.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 05, 2006, 08:14:22 am
Fisher coasts to a very easy win over Utica, 82-70.

The game wasn't even that close. The Cardinals dominated this game throughout, leading by as many 21 in the 2nd half and not allowing Utica within 12 in the 2nd half until the last two minutes during garbage time. Nick Bennett shuts down Ray Bryant, who had right around 13 points, 6 of which came in the aforementioned last two minutes of the game with Bennett not on the floor. I don't have the numbers yet, but Bryant must have shot something like 4-15. Seems Bennett has his number.

I distinctly remember a certain Utica fan saying a) Nick Bennett is the most overrated player in the league, and b) Ray Bryant is the best player in the league. Care to reconsider those comments?

I hope this ends all that pathetic "Utica is the best team in the conference" talk, after Fisher took them behind the woodshed this afternoon. Hey Pioneers, go get your shinebox.

I said from Day 1 when I posted on this board -- to be the man, you have to beat the man. Since Fisher was the E8 champs last year, there's the man, and we lost both games this year, so we're playing for second place. Hopefully at tournament time, we can figure out how to get it done at Fisher.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 05, 2006, 08:31:37 am
I couldn't have said it any better!  If the players believed in themselves as much as I do, I think we could beat Fisher.  But they absolutely left no doubt as to who is the best team in the league.  People here crack me up about making references to me, such as "oh I can't wait ti hear from clear about this game" hey I say it like I see it.  And there is no question that Fisher deserved to win the game.  And I agree with you above too that hopefully we get it figured out by the tournament time.

I had a great weekend - as I ended up visiting some friends in Rochester and actually saw 2 Fisher games.  Yes I scouted Fisher for myself on Friday.  Hartwick's gameplan atleast defensively was much better than ours was.  They mixed up defenses - sometimes in the same possession and despite being down like 16-0 at one point (I think it took them like 6 minutes to score) they actually battled back and actuallky cut the lead to 9 in the 2nd half (although early in the half).

 Anyway a couple of interesting things.  Bennet did a great job on Cocozziello, but right now he is a one man team.  They are missing some important players to that team.  Well - supposedly the word I got from a couple of Hartwick people who were brave enough to go to the game (could it be MadHawk?) their starting PT guard (Simoneschi) and Center (Brown) and top sub (Dills) are gone from the program.  ANd I know the board will love this one, Cocozziello is also leaving after the season for an athletic scholarship.  Now I have a hard time believing that because I have seen him play enough to say he isn't good enough for a scholarship - so interesting stuff.
MadHawk - I will say that if this is true buddy you are in for many more years of losing.  As disappointed as I am with my Pioneers, I know we will make the E-8 tournament and have good core of returning players to make a splash for years to come.  You on the other hand are in trouble.  While I give you credit form being better this year, it is quite possible that you will be battling for your life to stay out of the cellar.

By the way any truth to these rumors above?  I assume the first are true since I notice Brown hasn't played in 2 weeks and Simoneschi in a month.

As for the Rochester scene... ouch Thirsty Turtle, a little too much to drink.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 05, 2006, 10:59:19 am
Big win for the Bombers. Of course, it was in typical Ithaca "Jeckyl and Hyde" fashion, as they played a bad first half and a nice second half. Balanced scoring carried the day for Ithaca. Coming into this weekend, Ithaca needed at least a split and they got it. At 6 conference wins right now, they probably need only two more to clinch an E8 berth and they should get those wins at home against Hartwick and Elmira.

Superbowl Prediction: Pittsburgh 27  Seattle 20

I haven't been a believer in Seattle since the Giants should have beaten them three different times in one game. Freakin Jay Feely.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 05, 2006, 01:47:28 pm
Great article in the Utica O-D.
Makes an old Fisheralum proud!!!

http://www.uticaod.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060205/SPORTS/602050330/1030/SPORTS01
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 05, 2006, 02:23:10 pm
After this weekend the rest of the season should be very interesting. Fisher confirmed what we all expected by basically wrapping up the #1 seed, but the race for second is as good as it gets.

All three teams in the mix for second could easily finish as the #2, #3, or #4 seed. I have my money on ithaca as the 2 seed, with a big win against Utica in Ithaca. After that I think Utica will be the 3 and RIT as the 4. However, the prospects of Fisher playing Naz in the first round of the E8 tourny, should they sneak in, kind of scares me. It is such a big rivalry game that anything can happen...

should be exciting.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: notjoshreed on February 05, 2006, 10:06:35 pm
Ilikr SJF's chances tonight.
Playing in that gym has been horrible for UC.

Come on Fisher Alum, put it in the book, two biggest games left this weekend Fisher by 13  over Utica with even scoring between O'Brien, Biegel, McGgee and Gillette off the bench with 8 pts and 5 rebounds

Pittsburgh over Seahawks (at least there is one Hawk in contention for something) by 13 as well with Bettis going out big in Detroit, saddle up and enjoy the next 30 hours of pure fun

Fisher by 12, Pittsburgh by 11 close enough for me How bout you Hawk?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 06, 2006, 02:55:35 am
NJR, pretty predictable weekend, I suppose. I had Fisher by 10, they won by 12. I had Pitt by 10, they won by 11. We were both off by a total of three points. And, yes, this was a petty post.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 06, 2006, 10:39:19 am
And I'm proud to bring you the MVP of the super bowl- THE ZEBRAS.  Wow doesn't that sound like a lot of games in rochester this year.  I'm a Cowboys fan so I was not cheering for either team but the refs obviously had an alterior motive in that game and even steelers fans have to say there were two calls that should have been no-calls.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 06, 2006, 10:53:23 am
Superman -- it's games and calls like what I saw last night that makes me wonder if Vegas had more involvement than they should... though you would suspect the referees would be making calls for the Seahawks in that case (since most of the money was on the Steelers).

Bottom line, the Hawks got boned on at least 3 huge calls:

Their first non-TD to Jackson.
The phantom holding call that would have put them on the 1 yard line with a chance to go ahead.
The reeeeediculous defensive chop block call on Hasselbeck when he made the tackle on the INT return.

Those three calls all looked wrong and cost the Seahawks points.

Taking into account the Indy/Pittsburgh game, the Broncos/Pats game, and the Super Bowl -- the 2006 playoffs should be remembered for the referees.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on February 06, 2006, 12:33:17 pm
I will argue that these playoffs should definitely be remembered for The Snake's ridiculous beard and mustache.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 06, 2006, 03:32:33 pm
After reading a bunch of Superbowl columns and seeing the posts here, I'm in the minority, I guess. I don't think the officiating was that atrocious, really. I'm certain that it didn't really have an effect on the game. I'll say this, if these two teams played 10 times on a neutral field, Pittsburgh would win 7 or 8 times. The better team won is all I'm saying.

1) The interference call on Darrell Jackson. Was it a soft call? Probably. Did he push off? Yes. Is it illegal to push off on a defender in order to gain an advantage, which Jackson undoubtedly did on that play? Of course. Would people even be bringing this up if it were Week 8 of the regular season? No chance. Do some receivers get away with a lot worse than that (TO, Chad Johnson, etc)? Definitely! But you can't use that as a justification. Can you imagine going into court and telling the judge that you were speeding but you shouldn't have got a ticket because other cars were speeding too but they didn't get caught? Good luck with that one.

 I can't stand to hear people say "you can't call that in the Superbowl!" Sure you can and the ref did. The rules are the rules whether it's the championship game or a regular season game; whether there's five minutes left in the 1st half or two seconds left in the game. Once, when I was refereeing a soccer game, I nearly incited a riot when I called a penalty kick with 7 seconds left in a tie game(the championship game of a tournament, no less). But I had no problem with it because the rule was broken and it was the right call. I have absolutely no problem with that pass interference.

2) The holding call negating the completion down to the Steelers' 2-yard line. I didn't really see the holding the first time I watched it. However, my roommate was watching it again this morning and when the defensive end beat the tackle around the end and then, ever so slightly, the tackle hooked his right arm for a second(couldn't see it on the replay because it was obstructed, but you could see it during the play) and quickly let him go.

If you get visibly beat and do something like that, it's gonna get called. Period. Again, a soft call but ultimately the right one.

3) I'm not sure about that call against Hasselbeck on the INT return. From my understanding, the refs thought he was going low on the blocker right in front of the returner, which is illegal. I don't really think that's what Hasselbeck was doing, but I don't think the call really mattered in the grand scheme. The Steelers would have still called the trick play and it still probably would have gone for a TD. A missed call? Yes. An important one? No, not really.

I don't want to seem like a proponent for refs--I'm not-- but I thought they were pretty average in the Superbowl. You can argue all you want about Big Ben's TD but the ref interpreted the rule correctly, as there was no "conclusive" video evidence to overturn it. Obviously some refs overturn things when it isn't conclusive but you can't take the exceptions and make them the rule.

On to basketball. Big Tuesday night of hoops coming at us:

Utica at Oswego
RIT at Naz
Fisher at Alfred

Alfred certainly has the talent level and depth to play with Fisher if they're firing on all cylinders. We'll see if the Saxons can stay close in spite of their terrible coach. I like Fisher in a closer game than everyone expects, 74-69. This may have "letdown game" written all over it.

RIT at Naz may be the most intriguing game of the night now that we know both Oswego and Utica have no shots at an at-large big. These two teams have played two very close games, already. An RIT win would virtually guarantee them a spot in the E8 tourney and Naz would probably have put the final nail in its own coffin. If Naz wins, the last two weeks of league play are going to get very interesting with four teams competing for 3 spots; one of course being the right to play Fisher in the 1st round, not good. This will obviously be a pretty high-scoring game. I like RIT, 86-83 in a nailbiter.

Utica at Oswego: Great, two teams that are clearly a distant second in their conference. It's like watching two good teams play in the consolation game of a tournament. Sure, it's interesting to see who will win, but does it really matter? Not really. Oswego wins, 76-69.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 06, 2006, 03:55:38 pm
Oswego vs UC is like watching the NIT!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 06, 2006, 04:03:21 pm
Oswego vs UC is like watching the NIT!


The NIT!!! That's $%&#^!!!  :D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 06, 2006, 04:13:47 pm
Me thinks I hit a nerve.
At least I didn't say preaseason NIT.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: rjcarter8 on February 06, 2006, 04:27:14 pm
I also thought Rothlisberger's TD dive was not a touchdown. Sure his head crossed the plane of the end zone,  but the ball did not go across until he was already on the ground.  Not sure how the replay crew missed that one.

And for those who say it wouldn't have mattered because the Steelers won by 11, a Seattle TD on the offensive pass interference and no TD for the Steelers on the dive play would have been a 14-point swing. Not to mention the fact that teams play differently depending on the score. Had Seattle had the lead they surely would have run the ball a bit more.

Anyway, it's all over, the Steelers won, and we could be talking about what-ifs forever. I was just adding my food for thought.

Back to hoops -- No surprise that Hartwick got blasted against Fisher, but i thought they might have better luck against the Saxons. As for the payers mentioned above, I believe Simoneshi is gone, and Brown and Dills have been absent for a few games. What's the word MadHawk?

It also seems like things are shaking out a bit in the E8, it will be interesting to see how the next couple weeks play out.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 06, 2006, 04:27:47 pm
when do the Regional rankings come out? Is it around next week??
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 06, 2006, 04:33:55 pm
Let me preface this by saying I'm an Eagles fan.  I didn't bet on the Seahawks, so I had no vested interest in seeing them win other than I feel it would have been fun to see Jerome Bettis cry.

GB15 - I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you on pretty much every point you made about the SB officiating.  You said "I'm certain that it didn't really have an effect on the game",  but then admit that the call on Jackson (offensive pass interference) was "soft" -- code for "I wouldn't have called that."  It wasn't just soft, it was wrong.  Jackson's arm was outstreched and touching the DB, but there is consensus that it didn't warrant a call.  Anytime a bad call takes four points off the board in a close game it affects the game.

The bogus holding call on Locklear only likely took points off the board, as it would have put them on the 1.  I say it was bogus because I watched the replays several times last night and today and that's the conclusion I drew, as did many, many others.  Furthermore, when the play started live I said "that's offsides" as the man who drew the holding call appeared to break early on the snap.  The Seattle offensive lineman were saying the same thing after the game.

I agree that the call on Hasselbeck for the chop block is most likely irrelevant to the outcome, but it was just another highly questionable decision against the Hawks.

The replays on Big Ben's TD were inconclusive and I don't have a problem with the way he ruled there.  Anyone who says different isn't being honest with themselves.  

Finally, I disagree that Pittsburgh was the better team, decisively.  How did you draw that conclusion?  What statistical categories did they dominate?  Who exactly played well for them?

In my mind Seattle's mistakes (drops, INTs) and bad decisions by the refs had far more to do with the outcome of that game than the Steelers did.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 06, 2006, 05:23:28 pm
And GB15, don't try and tell anyone for a second that if it was the Giants, and not the Seahawks getting those calls against them, you wouldn't be losing your mind right now.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 06, 2006, 05:30:21 pm
Weren't we talking about this a few weeks ago when it was the STEELERS that were crying foul because it was the NFL that wanted the Colts to win?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 06, 2006, 05:47:08 pm
Well, yeah.  Again, I'm not saying the referees "had it in" for the Hawks.  My point is they were bad, and their badness affected the outcome of the game.

Funny thing about the Steelers/Colts game.  Before that game Joey Porter whined about the Colts not being "man enough" to just lineup and play smashmouth football.  He said they had to audible all the time, use trick plays, and make it a "thinking game."  Does this mean he's mad at his teammates now for the reverse-pass TD to Hines Ward?  Either way, I love Porter and his underdeveloped brain.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 06, 2006, 05:56:44 pm
Good point!!
The only people who have gadget plays are the ones with no game plan or talent!? :P
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 06, 2006, 06:59:00 pm
Hey now, Fisheralum, SJF's football team runs a gimmick offense and throws the bubble screen about 20 times a game.

TF2, I probably would be upset with some of those calls, much the same way you were those two weeks in a row when your Skins got jobbed by the officials.

Bamm, I think Pittsburgh is the better team. They played about as poorly as they could play, and still took it. I think Seattle is an above average team who came into an easy schedule and fortunate circumstances. To be honest, I'm not sure if they'd make the playoffs if they were in the AFC West like they used to be.

If it weren't for the fact that they play in by far the worst division in football, I'd be 100% sure that they're not going to make the playoffs next year. Luckily for them, they have 6 games a year against the Rams/Cards/Niners.

Bamm, I'll be going(being forced) to go see the Eagles game when they're at the Superdome next season. I'm not excited about that.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 06, 2006, 08:43:36 pm
Me thinks I hit a nerve.
At least I didn't say preaseason NIT.

Not really... i guess it would be nice to have NIT champion on your resume lol.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 06, 2006, 08:51:50 pm
GB15 - That breaks my heart.  I'm guessing you're going to have to deal with the glow on your other half's face after they destroy the hapless Saints, too.  Hey, it could be worse, you could have to witness them take out the G-Men  :D

Your boy Andruskewiecz (did I spell that right?) scored the decisive bucket on Saturday, by the way.  A nice turnaround jumper from the foul line that gave them the lead for good.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 06, 2006, 10:51:26 pm
I don't know, the Saints could be decent next year. Nobody can really tell how good this team is because it's impossible to get a read off them this season because of all that happened. Also, it's tough to win when you have the stupidest QB in the entire NFL. I honestly think if they draft Leinart, they could be a playoff team the year after next.

However, we ARE talking about the Saints here. They will inevitably do something very stupid. I've already heard talks down here that the Saints may trade the #2 pick. The rumor that keeps flying around is they'd trade the #2 pick to the Jets (who would take Bush if he's available and if he isn't they'd take Leinart) for the Jets' #4 overall pick, a 2nd rounder this year, a 4th rounder this year, and a 3rd rounder next year. Then the Saints would take Jay Cutler (QB-Vandy). I almost threw up in my mouth when i read that. They NEED to take Leinart, he's a sure-fire pick.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 07, 2006, 01:19:39 pm
GB-15 it is obvious we will never see eye to on anything.  But you couldn't have been watching the same SB as most of America.
First off, there was no holding penalty on the pass to the 2 yard line that would have given Seattle the lead.  John Madden, a hall of famer to be even stated it was a bad call.  Every single knowledgable football guy has come out and stated it was a terrible call.  Furthermore, many analysts have stated that Pittsburgh was off sides on that play to boot. 
2nd Football is a game of field position and if you are ignorant enought to think that 15 yards doesn't affect the play calling on a drive you should go back to football 101.
And to say that Piitburgh would beat these guys 7 out of 10 times, sorry you are just reacting to the fact that Seattle beat your Giants and didn't play well doing it.
The fact is Seattle got absolutely jobbed in this game and they were clearly the better team.  They dominated every single category and gave up 3 big plays.  At the rate Pittsburgh and big Ben was playing if Seattle punched it in to go ahead 17-14 there was little chance that Pitt would have scored.  When they have to play from behind they aren't very good.

And I am not a Seattle fan.

Tonight we beat Oswego by 13.
Fisher kills Alfred
RIT beats Naz by 11

Peace
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 07, 2006, 01:20:58 pm
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5310192

Just read this link that tells it all.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: naz hoops69 on February 07, 2006, 02:24:00 pm
some quick predictions for tonight....   Alfred 58-    Fisher 51
                                                            Utica 77-     Oswego 70
                                                            Naz 92-       RIT 63
for naz, Matt Groot scores 38 on 15-16 shooting, and Justin Fladd has a career best 31 points and 22 rebounds.  RIT has every 3 pointer attempted blocked because other than fran snyder, no guard is above  5'6


If Hartwick is scrimmaging the local high school JV team.........

                HIGH SCHOOL JV- 29    HARTWICK - 22 (ot)

Should be some pretty accurate predictions.  The Superbowl on Sunday was the biggest garbage/waste 4 hours of my life.  Terrible game so lets stop talking about it on this board. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 07, 2006, 03:07:24 pm
My response to Clear will come later when I have more than 2 minutes to post.

NazHoops, obviously you're not serious about that post. But here's a serious question: Has it, or when did it, dawn on you that you're paying $30,000 to go to a liberal arts school? How did it feel?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on February 07, 2006, 03:37:49 pm
I agree with the predictions.

- Ray leads Utica over Oswego.
- No reason to think Fisher can handle Alfred after what we've seen so far this season.
- and Naz by 30 over RIT to go 3-0 against RIT this season.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: naz hoops69 on February 07, 2006, 05:31:31 pm
GB.... .probably about the same as it does to pay $35,000  a year to go to another liberal arts school (Ithaca)..... revised prediction for tonight, Naz had a good shootaround..... Naz 106-  RIT-29
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 07, 2006, 05:35:55 pm
Naz, for the sake of all east ave schools I hope that you are joking.  If not then come to the good east ave school
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: naz hoops69 on February 07, 2006, 05:46:29 pm
im obviously kidding about Naz being that good..... they can beat any of the good teams if they hit perimiter shots, but that happens in about 1 of 10 games.... but i really do think RIT is that bad, and I just dont like Hartwick, so i will continue to make fun of them instead..... prediction holds true... Naz 109-RIT 17
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 07, 2006, 06:05:07 pm
Conference Standings, just in case anyone got the wrong impression from naz_hoops:

Fisher (8 -1)
Utica (6 - 3)
RIT (6-3)
Ithaca (6-3)
Naz (5-4)

And before you get too excited about the possibility of Naz moving into a tie with RIT tonight, remember that the tiebreaker (after head to head, which theoretically would be split) is record versus the worst of the conference up.  And Naz lost to Hartwick.  Good night, see you next season.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 07, 2006, 06:09:01 pm
but remember there is still 4 games left this season after tonight, so for Naz's sake they need to win tonight and then hope that RIT falls against somebody else (except I'm saying that both teams will lose to fisher)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 07, 2006, 06:22:18 pm
Good point, I also should have considered that Naz's impressive 8-12 overall mark and 0-2 record against RIT certainly points towards a win this evening and a big run into the postseason.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 07, 2006, 06:29:07 pm
as we have seen all year anything can happen when you step onto the basketball court.  I personally would LOVE to see Fisher Naz in the first round. Being a senior it would make my year to see fisher get another shot at Naz at home.  But also being sensible, that could be a dangerous game for Fisher.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 07, 2006, 08:16:58 pm
NazHoops, I understand Ithaca is not an "elite" school, but please don't put Naz in the same category as Ithaca. You only sound stupider when you do. And I wasn't a liberal arts major. I graduated from the Communications School (33rd in the nation according to the 2004 U.S. News when I graduate). Also, Ithaca's physical therapy major is one of the top 15 or 20 programs in the country.

So go put on one of your purple t-shirts and get a good night's sleep, you'll need to wake up early to carry the lacrosse players' books to class.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 07, 2006, 08:30:22 pm
AU hanging tough with Fisher. Cardinals lead 30-27 after back-to-back 3-pointers by Bennett.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 07, 2006, 08:34:17 pm
Fisher 34, AU 32 at halftime.
Cool....200th post and now I can applaud or smite!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 07, 2006, 08:46:08 pm
You deserve it for all your hard work on the football boards, AUPep. Enjoy the privilege.

My Fisher/AU prediction is looking pretty good. I said this had "letdown game" written all over it and Alfred has the talent to stick with Fisher, though they're not nearly as well-coached nor do they execute like Fisher. My score of a 74-69 Fisher win has a shot!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 07, 2006, 09:08:57 pm
Thanks, GB15. AU 51, Fisher 47 with 10:43 to go. AU in a 2-3 zone....I believe a first for the Saxons in at least 3 years.
 McGee 3-pointer makes it 51-50. 9:16 remaining and AU has only ONE timeout remaining.....yikes.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 07, 2006, 09:17:02 pm
AU 55, Fisher 53 with 7 and change.
55-55 with 5 to go

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 07, 2006, 09:19:01 pm
AU 58, Fisher 55 with 4:39 to play
AU 58, Fisher 57 with 3:45 to go
AU 60, Fisher 57 2:44 to go
Stein goes to the line for AU....1 for 2, makes it AU 61, Fisher 57
McSweeney with Layup and free throw, 61-60 with 1:53 to go
Pete Gillette with 3-pointer to go up 63-61


Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 07, 2006, 09:26:40 pm
Fisher 63, AU 61 with 53 sec
Fisher 65, AU 61......Fisher has the ball......grrrrrrrrr
Gillette at the line after foul....less than half a minute to go
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 07, 2006, 09:33:32 pm
Final from McLane Center:
Fisher 67, AU 63
Rob Kornaker gets still another win over his alma mater.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 07, 2006, 09:36:15 pm
wow, great effort Saxons.

Counting up IC's remaining games I had the Bombers at 10-4 best-case scenario, but I definitely had Saturday at Alfred in the "toss-up" pile.  Now I remember why.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 07, 2006, 09:44:31 pm
Alfred has the talent to stick with Fisher, though they're not nearly as well-coached nor do they execute like Fisher. My score of a 74-69 Fisher win has a shot!
Everyone else posting on this board seems to be saying the same thing about Alfred coaching. I give credit to Murphy tonight for actually trying a trap, dropping back to a 2-3 zone, which worked well against Fisher. While I don't see most of the games, when I do catch a game, I don't see much in the way of defensive change-ups.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 07, 2006, 09:46:53 pm
Alfred really put a scare into Fisher, really outplayed them the entire game. I am just glad that Fisher escaped AU with a win.

Fisher got a big 3 point play from Mcsweeny, down 4 late, a steal, a huge three by Gillette, a block, and a bucket by Biegle, all in the last minute. I understand all the talk about AU being poorly coached. AU only had 2 timeouts left with 9 minutes left in the game. I think they would have made a difference with clock management late in the game.

Alfred plays SJF real tough for the second time this season. I don't think they are going to make the E8 tourny which is probably a really good thing for Fisher.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 07, 2006, 09:53:09 pm
It goes without saying that Alfred plays Fisher the best of any E8 team. I don't want to hear it from the one Naz fan, you guys beat Fisher one out of every ten games and get killed the other nine. I think AU is a tough matchup for Fisher because they're deep, talented and don't really have an important player to get covered by Bennett. Bryant is too small and fast and Stein is a banger down low. This puts AU at 3-7 on the conference season, they're going to need to run the table to even have a shot at the E8 tourney.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 07, 2006, 10:14:30 pm
RIT completes a three game sweep against Naz, winning at Naz, 78-68. Thanks for playing this year, Naz, we have some lovely parting gifts for you backstage including a date with a pissed off Fisher team. Enjoy yourself.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 07, 2006, 11:41:54 pm
In a must-win game for any hope of a Pool C bid, Utica goes down @ Oswego 63-49.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 07, 2006, 11:50:18 pm
Great Job Alfred, you guys should b proud of playing that close.  Naz to bad maybe next year.  You NEEDED this game and it will now be next to impossible to make the E8's.  Utica good luck winning at Fisher to get into the tourny.  Can't wait for this weekends games.  Ithaca should be intresting and then on Saturday they are dedicating the court to the great Bobby Wanzer
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 08, 2006, 12:13:42 am
I love when Clear picks the Pioneers to win by double-digits and then Utica gets smacked. No offense to you, Budcrew, of course.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 08, 2006, 07:38:24 am
2 thoughts-
As GB15 said - this (the AU SJF game) had let down all over it-
OUCH!  Glad to pull one out of the old hat.
UC- clear- um stick a fork in ya you are done!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 08, 2006, 08:36:50 am
Once again, RIT gets hot from behind the three point line and takes down an opponent.  Last night, with about 6 minutes left in the game Barrett Zeinfeld scored 15 straight RIT points, all three-pointers, to bring the Tigers from three down to ten up.

http://www.ritathletics.com/News/mbb/2006/2/7/mbb020706.asp?path=mbb

At this point I think the Tigers have gone from "streaky shooting team" to "good shooting team".
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 08, 2006, 08:59:28 am
Looking at the box score from the RIT/Naz game last night, it looked like another balanced night for RIT, with 5 guys in double figures, let by Bacon with 16. Nice to see he was getting the ball more, I don't think he hit double figures for a few games.

For Naz, I've only seen them vs. RIT and I know Canori is a good player, but RIT seems to have his number. Yeah, he had 17 pts, but it was on 6-21 shooting. I think he was something like 8-21 in the last game. I think most guys in the league could put up the points he does shooting 20+ times a game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 08, 2006, 10:42:51 am
some quick predictions for tonight....Naz 92-       RIT 63

for naz, Matt Groot scores 38 on 15-16 shooting, and Justin Fladd has a career best 31 points and 22 rebounds.  RIT has every 3 pointer attempted blocked because other than fran snyder, no guard is above  5'6

Groot: 5 pts on 2-5 shooting
Fladd: DNP

The "5'6" RIT Guards:
Zeinfeld: 15 pts on 5 triples
Roy: 6 pts
Springer: 13 pts

Good call Naz Hoops, you may not think RIT is that good, problem is, Naz is even worse.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 08, 2006, 11:08:31 am
I love when Clear picks the Pioneers to win by double-digits and then Utica gets smacked. No offense to you, Budcrew, of course.

None taken GB. Although I was a little surprised this morning when bamm's post read that UC had lost 63-49. I would have figured UC would have more offense than that, but congrats to Oswego for a good defensive effort.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 08, 2006, 11:11:21 am
Also, on the longest road trip of the season, Utica goes 2-3, losing to Oswego, Fisher and RIT. If Utica is ever going to make any noise on a national stage, they can't be going 2-3 on a road trip... they HAVE to learn to win away from the friendly confines of Clark Athletic Center.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 08, 2006, 11:14:37 am
Budcrew,
That point that has been talked about all season.
Great at home, yet the bus trips are horrible.
Is something in the Utica water that helps?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on February 08, 2006, 11:45:30 am
Wow!  Terrible night for myself and Naz_Hoops.  We didn't pick a single game right out of the three.  Aparently neither of us knows anything about basketball.

(Ray was the one bright spot in Utica's loss with 22 points)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 08, 2006, 12:13:08 pm
Budcrew,
That point that has been talked about all season.
Great at home, yet the bus trips are horrible.
Is something in the Utica water that helps?

Fisheralum, you of all people should know since you live in Utica. Don't even drink Utica water, if you can help it. Maybe it would help if the other team drank it and got sick.  ::)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 08, 2006, 12:55:24 pm
Budcrew,
So that is why I have a funny glow!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 08, 2006, 01:37:27 pm
Win or lose, the only thing that counts is beating Fisher in the tournament.  Certainly not happy with the game yesterday buy the only way in after losing last weekend to Fisher was going to be the conference tournament anyway.

So onto the weekend we go.

SPecial shout out to GB15 the official that flagged the phantom pass interference on Seattle's 1st TD is ........ you got it right, from PITTSBURGH!  What a joke.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 08, 2006, 01:54:31 pm
Clear,
Putting all of your hopes on the tourney is all you have left.
Again you will be on the road, and then have to win out.
Chances look slim.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 08, 2006, 02:29:20 pm
SPecial shout out to GB15 the official that flagged the phantom pass interference on Seattle's 1st TD is ........ you got it right, from PITTSBURGH!  What a joke.

Not as big of joke as you predicting that Utica would beat every team they play by 20+ points.


In other news, a quick note on the RIT/Naz game last night, RIT has now beaten Naz 9 straight games going back to 2002-03
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on February 08, 2006, 03:09:23 pm
MadHawk, when your describing Ray you don't need to use an plural adjectives.  He'll be winning MVP alone.

Good stat TigerFan2.  And of course we all remember how that amazing streak was started with 5'6'' Dan Cerro taking the most memorable Empire8 charge in history under the footprints of the sharp shooting Larry Maroney.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 08, 2006, 03:17:26 pm
Yes Col, that may be the finest charge ever taken in Empire 8 history. In fact, I just checked out the replay of that very game. I'm glad to see that the video of that charge has not been lost for the ages.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 08, 2006, 03:33:18 pm
Hawk,
You never cease to amaze!
Acronyms?
Try synonyms-
Hawk=Moron!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 08, 2006, 04:11:29 pm
Well know we know who was holding the sign at the Superbowl that read:

Absolute
Bettis
Championship
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 08, 2006, 09:26:33 pm
[            Hardly
             Any
             Reason
             To
             Write
             In
             Capitals,
  MadHawK

Let's cut this down to size. Fact is, the 'wick never got lit.....not once, but twice against Alfred, currently 3-7 in E8 play. AU has 2 losses to Fisher, 2 losses to Utica, a loss each to RIT, Naz and Ithaca.....a win over Elmira and TWO WINS OVER THE 'WICK.
MadHawk should be using 6 pt. type to post, if he has anything to say at all. No disrespect intended for senior co-captains John Montana and Tim Kindlon. Kindlon's brother took a halftime spill on the bleachers at McLane while listening to me blabber about D3hoops.com--hope his back is feeling better now.




Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 08, 2006, 09:48:19 pm
Might as well save your energy, AUPepBand.  MadHawk hasn't made a relevant post yet in his Posting Up career and isn't likely to do so anytime soon, either.

Much like Hartwick hasn't done anything relevant in men's basketball for the last howe ver many years and isn't likely to do so anytime soon.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 08, 2006, 09:59:48 pm
True, Caz, probably a waste of my time. And to think I could have been using said time to make some recruiting calls for the trombone we'll need for the 2006 season. Replacing Schwartzy in the pep band is like finding someone to fill Brenton Brady's shoes...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on February 09, 2006, 09:19:23 am
Goodbye Seniors
          AND
   Nick Bennett
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vitamin C - Graduation Song

And so we talked all night about the rest of our lives
Where we're gonna be when we turn 25
I keep thinking times will never change
Keep on thinking things will always be the same
But when we leave this year we won't be coming back
No more hanging out cause we're on a different track
And if you got something that you need to say
You better say it right now cause you don't have another day
Cause we're moving on and we can't slow down
These memories are playing like a film without sound
And I keep thinking of the night in June
I Didn't know much of love, but it came too soon
And There was me and you, and then it got real blue
Stay at home talkin' on the telephone and
We would get so excited, we'd get so scared
Laughing at our selves thinking life's not fair
And this is how it feels

Chorus:
As we go on, we remember
All the times we had together
And as our lives change, from whatever
We will still be, friends forever

So if we get the big jobs and we make the big money
When we look back now, will that joke still be funny?
Will we still remember everything we learned in school?
Still be trying to break every single rule
Will little brainy Bobby be the stockbroker man?
Can Heather find a job that won't interfere with her tan?
I keep, I keep thinking that it's not goodbye
Keep on thinking it's a time to fly
And this is how it feels

*Repeat chorus*

La, la, la, la; yeah, yeah, yeah
La, la, la, la, we will still be friends forever

Will we think about tomorrow like we think about now?
Can we survive it out there? Can we make it somehow?
I guess I thought that this would never end
And suddenly it's like we're women and men
Will the past be a shadow that will follow us round?
Will these memories fade when I leave this town
I keep, I keep thinking that it's not goodbye
Keep on thinking it's a time to fly

*Repeat chorus 3x*

**this is for anyone who have ever lost someone important in
there lifes!
* exspeacilly if there bff moves a way frum her!**
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Alfred
1.Ryan Hallett*
2.Steve Micheaux
3.Quentin Bryant*
4.Chris LeMasters*
5.Nick Andolina
6.Todd Dersham

Elmira
1.James Brown*
2.Micah Owens*

Fisher
1.Ryamie Auman
2.Pete Gillett
3.Nick Bennett*
4.Sean O'Brien*
5.Mike McGee*

Hartwick
1.John Montana
2.Tim Kindlon*

Ithaca
1.Jonathan Whetstone*
2.Jim Bellis*
3.Brian Andruskiewicz*

Nazareth
1.Caswell Smith
2.Matt Groot*
3.Michael DeBlois
4.Justin Fladd

RIT
1.Tyler Springer
2.Drew Martin*
3.Fran Synder*

Utica
1.Willie Lucas*
2.Shawn Brown
3.Justin Chichon*

*Denotes Current Starter
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 09, 2006, 09:30:06 am
For the sake of all that's good, I hope Pat removes that last post by MadHawk.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 09, 2006, 09:36:29 am
Can someone (Pat) put a leash on this kid?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on February 09, 2006, 09:58:59 am
AUPep, how often do you play at the games.  The band wasn't out for the game I went to.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 09, 2006, 10:45:32 am
col: AU Pep Band played at 9 of AU's 11 games. We missed the Utica game because of Mid-Semester Break (everyone took off for the extended weekend). We also did not make the trip to Norwich.

Logged some serious miles on the 1992 Grand Caravan, carrying a sousaphone, bass drum, etc. plus four or five band geeks. Traveled to Lexington, VA for the opener (a disappointment), to Cleveland (Rocks!) for Case Western (where we were not allowed to sit under our EZ-Up despite steady rain and no crowd), to Ithaca (met YellowHat tailgatin') where we were joined by two original kazoo pep band members, and to Fisher (on an A-State bus filled with AU students). Played home games vs. SLU, Springfield, Hartwick, Grove City and Maine Maritime.

Seems the Utica game usually conflicts with AU Mid-Semester Break. If I can muster at least a 4-piece band, we're in the stands supporting our Saxons!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 09, 2006, 12:08:43 pm
AU, I think Col was referring to the basketball games. Do you guys not play at the hoops games?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 10, 2006, 02:10:21 am
Start with some props for new Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum, a Tulane Law alum. General Manager at 36 is impressive, I wouldn't mind that at all.

My spreads for this weekend's games with predictions coming tomorrow(home team in CAPS)

Friday

Naz -4.5 at HARTWICK
UTICA -6 vs Rit
ALFRED -13.5 vs Elmira
FISHER -13 vs Ithaca

Saturday

UTICA -12.5 vs Naz
Rit -10 at HARTWICK
Ithaca -2 at ALFRED
Fisher -25.5 vs Elmira

Things I look forward to after this weekend:
1) Naz being eliminated from E8 tourney
2) The inevitable "Utica has righted the ship" posts from Clear after they go 2-0 this weekend, thus furthering what I have said ALL ALONG that Utica is a very good home team but can't get it done on the road when it counts.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 10, 2006, 07:01:54 am
Hey GB15,
I think that Utica is a good team also but keep an eye out for a Utica let down.  Just as Fisher pulled one out of their collective hats against AU, I have a feeling that UC may go into either of these games flat.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 10, 2006, 10:09:51 am
Totally agree with you about the let down.  I think right now everyone is down.  In the end we just need to get ready for 2 games in 2 weeks at SJF.

As for the weekend I only predict 1 certainty:

Ithaca goes 0-2.

Peace
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 10, 2006, 10:17:15 am
Clear-
You are right- at this point in the season it is tough to get UP for games you are supposed to win.  Happens to the best!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 10, 2006, 10:42:11 am
Totally agree with you about the let down. I think right now everyone is down. In the end we just need to get ready for 2 games in 2 weeks at SJF.

As for the weekend I only predict 1 certainty:

Ithaca goes 0-2.

Peace

Wow, step a little further out on that limb, Clear. We all know that IC is losing at Fisher tonight, that's unquestionable. So let's just say what your prediction was, essentially: Ithaca will lose at Alfred.

What, you mean Ithaca--a bad road team--will lose on the road to a team that has a lot of talent, should have beat Fisher the other night and took IC to OT at the Bulb? What insight!! Before you start declaring yourself clairvoyant, your opinion contained about as much risk as betting that it will be cloudy in central New York tomorrow. That's to say, it's pretty likely.

Ithaca will still be in the E8 tournament which, for the 455th time, should be their regular season goal. Then the Bombers have hope to get lucky in the E8 tourney like the almost did last year when they played Fisher the best of any team in the conference.

Look at the bright side, Clear, at least your team is bottoming out at the most opportune time of the season. Errrrr...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 10, 2006, 10:52:42 am
Oooooooooo, GB that's going to leave a mark!!! :P
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 10, 2006, 10:55:50 am
Totally agree with you about the let down. I think right now everyone is down. In the end we just need to get ready for 2 games in 2 weeks at SJF.

As for the weekend I only predict 1 certainty:

Ithaca goes 0-2.

Peace

Wow, step a little further out on that limb, Clear. We all know that IC is losing at Fisher tonight, that's unquestionable. So let's just say what your prediction was, essentially: Ithaca will lose at Alfred.

What, you mean Ithaca--a bad road team--will lose on the road to a team that has a lot of talent, should have beat Fisher the other night and took IC to OT at the Bulb? What insight!! Before you start declaring yourself clairvoyant, your opinion contained about as much risk as betting that it will be cloudy in central New York tomorrow. That's to say, it's pretty likely.

Ithaca will still be in the E8 tournament which, for the 455th time, should be their regular season goal. Then the Bombers have hope to get lucky in the E8 tourney like the almost did last year when they played Fisher the best of any team in the conference.

Look at the bright side, Clear, at least your team is bottoming out at the most opportune time of the season. Errrrr...
GB,
As long as Utica doesn't go into the E8 tourney as the 4 seed , we should be fine, at least for one game. Then we'd (most likely) have to worry about playing Fisher.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 10, 2006, 11:18:51 am
In all likelihood, Budcrew, you're gonna have to see one of the Rochester teams in the first round. I don't think RIT is going to be too scared playing Utica in the Roc, considering their success against the Pioneers in that city.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 10, 2006, 11:20:08 am
Looking at this weekend, I'm curious to see if there will be any suprises that could shake up the postseason seeding. Utica should have a 2-0 weekend, because as bad as they are on the road, they are a very good team @ UC. That road trip has never been the easiest for RIT so although they should be Hartwick, I think they will struggle at UC. But the way they have been shooting it, who knows.

I'll be at the IC vs. SJF game tonight and it wil lbe the first time I've seen IC this season. SJF always looks great vs. RIT so I'll be interested to see how they match up with IC, although I have a feeling it won't be that close. Maybe if Jim Mullins gets the the flu and stays in IC, they may have a shot with Hepler behind the bench.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 10, 2006, 11:42:18 am
Don't sell yourself short judge you are a tremendous slouch!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 10, 2006, 01:37:55 pm
Thanks Ty.
But how do you measure yourself against other golfers?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 10, 2006, 01:39:41 pm
By height.
 :D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 10, 2006, 02:54:40 pm
hey FisherAlum, thought you would be intrested, www.teamline.cc is broadcasting the games tonight.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 10, 2006, 03:07:00 pm
That is why you are a super man!
Thanks for the info- hopefully I can stay awake after an extended happy hour!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 10, 2006, 07:20:35 pm
Just got onto the post page for the first time in a few days, and while I was catching up I was once again reminded how much I hate MadHawk...god
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 10, 2006, 07:21:22 pm
p.s. love the caddyshack dialogue...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 10, 2006, 07:36:20 pm
Fisher 75 Ithaca 59

Utica 73 RIT 66

Alfred 75 Elmira 56

Naz 66 Hartwick 62


I'm gonna get one right tonight, I can feel it.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 10, 2006, 08:44:25 pm
ithaca only down 8 at the half 34-26 or something like that
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 10, 2006, 09:31:59 pm
Fisher by 21 over Ithaca...IC needs a big win tomorrow against UC for the all important 2 or 3 seed...Auman has a big game on senior night...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 10, 2006, 09:34:46 pm
just one more quick note...Fisher's seniors win their 90th game in the 4 years they have been there...amazing accomplishment, congratulations to the senior class.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 10, 2006, 09:50:06 pm
Fisher 75 Ithaca 59

Utica 73 RIT 66
some scores: 87-66 Fisher

Utica wins at home against RIT. After the IC loss to Fisher tonight, UC takes sole possession of 2nd place in the E8.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on February 10, 2006, 10:00:41 pm
from the scoreboard...

Hartwick 79, Nazareth 72

Not looking good for Naz
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 10, 2006, 10:20:51 pm
Pretty sloppy game @SJF tonight. Fisher really pulled away in the second half after looking pretty bad in the 1st. Big game for McGee as well as Auman. O'Brian probably could have averaged 20 a game this year if he felt like it, but he hasn't been looking to shoot that much in the games I've seen.

How IC beat RIT I'll never know, they looked aweful tonight. Joe and Burton look like a good combination in the backcourt for the future though. I wasn't really impressed with Bellis in this game. I know Bennett is a great defender, but Bellis was not aggressive at all unless Bennett was out of the game. The bench looked pretty weak for IC as well.

Then again, IC could have had twice the talent they have and still lost that game, Mullins is that bad.

Speaking of Senior night for Fisher, looking to next year, it looks like they may really struggle with their guard play. I know they will probably recruit well, but they only have one experienced guard coming back next year (Mueller).

Hartwick over Naz again, things are not looking good for GB15's prediction.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 10, 2006, 11:08:38 pm
Final from McLane Center:
AU 71, Elmira 51
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 10, 2006, 11:12:32 pm
Fisher by 21 over Ithaca...IC needs a big win tomorrow against UC for the all important 2 or 3 seed...Auman has a big game on senior night...
Gee, last I knew, IC was playing at AU tomorrow. As for Auman, he is class. Local boy from Genesee Valley (Belmont-Angelica)....should have played at AU. But happy he had a successful career at SJF.  Got a chance to speak with him about the AU-SJF football game during Thanksgiving break at a hoop tourney in Cuba. You Cardinal fans have probably tried to erase that particular Saturday from your minds.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 10, 2006, 11:24:42 pm
AU, I think Col was referring to the basketball games. Do you guys not play at the hoops games?
You're right, GB15....thanks! I was thinking Col was from Utica. We do NOT play at the hoops games. It's just not the same. Football is the ideal sport for a pep band because with the huddle, you can play in response to every play. Basketball does not provide that opportunity. We tried it a few years ago but it's also tough getting our folks to the gym, especially with scheduling back-to-back Friday-Saturday games. We have no music major--we have engineers, glass scientists, etc. who have labs that take much of their weekends.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 10, 2006, 11:41:10 pm
Pretty easy win for us tonight.  RIT seemed to quit.  Played a lot of guys.  Ray was awsome.  If he doesn't win player of the year something is wrong.  He went for a double double and absolutey destroyed Snyder.  Now we should hammer Naz tomorrow.

By the way, bye bye GB15.  Hartwick will get number  4 and none of us wil have to see your posts anymore.  Please everyone make sure we hold him to his bold predictions.  And please MADHAWK do whatever you need to do but get another win and shut him up!

As for Ithaca as I predicted 0-2 baby after tomorrow.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 11, 2006, 12:03:38 am
Ithaca was hanging close for a while and then start of the second half Fisher just started to rain 3's McGee broke the all time school record for most 3's but Brian Joe made a few 3's from beyond the NBA mark great shooting for him.  Game of the night was the women's game which Fisher trailing all game pulled out late.  Melissa Hartman was a beast tonight and could have taken on the Ithaca men's team
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 11, 2006, 01:03:47 am
I'm still gonna post even if Hartwick gets 4 wins, Clear. If for no other reason than to destroy your stupid posts as I always do. I feel it is my duty to protect the E8 board from your assanine and uninformed opinions. I do, however, understand your desire to get rid of me. I mean, if another poster was consistently showing me up and proving I was wrong on a daily basis...I'd want them gone, too. I originally said if Hartwick got to 6 wins, I would never post again, then I lowered it to 4.

I'll still say they won't get to 6 wins. Say I'm not a man of my word, I'm fine with that. I'm going to be a lawyer for god sakes, of course I don't have ethics. But I'm not willing to give up proving you wrong everytime you take to this message board. "Utica by 20 over Fisher," or "Utica by 14 over Oswego," or "Utica is the best team in this league," or "Utica is different this year, they'll be able to win the big games in Rochester," or any other stupid statement you've made this year, and there have been a lot. I think I've pretty much served you each time you've opened your mouth about Utica basketball. And I like Budcrew, but you're doing everything in your power to make UC the most hated team in the E8. If you want to post some knowledge, do it...but you haven't done that yet.

I could have proven you wrong about the refs in the Superbowl, but I chose not to because coupled with your depression upon realizing Utica is a fraud, like always, it would be too much for your psyche, or lack thereof, to handle. If you still want me to, I will though.

Once again, I commend you on your bold prediction that Ithaca won't win either game this weekend. In honor of your testicular fortitude, I have some equally bold predictions of my own:

-The sun will rise in the East tomorrow
-Duke will make the NCAA tournament
-Hartwick will not make the NCAA tournament
-In ten years, St. John Fisher will still be located in Pittsford, NY
-In fifteen years, Utica still won't have an E8 title but you'll still be running your mouth because you're a hater, you're a nothing, your school is a piece of garbage for the most part, and you're just a guy whose dream is to hold the jock of a Utica College basketball player.

Aim high, Clear.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 11, 2006, 01:30:32 am
I only have one prediction to offer:

One of the next 25 posts on this board will include the words "Booyah Folks!" and be written in 9,432-point type.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 11, 2006, 07:57:18 am
GB and Caz,
It's Sat am and I'm still waiting for the clear and hawk response.
Hoping that clear found himself a life and went out to Champs bar and got a nice fat chick.
Hawk on the other hand still hasn't left his dorm room.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 11, 2006, 09:53:02 am
Clear - Congratulations on the meaningless win, something Utica has excelled at getting.  The E8 tourney field is set.  That game meant nothing.  When you had a chance at marquee wins ( vs. Fisher, @ Fisher, @ RIT, @ Oswego ), your team does their best Indianapolis Colts impression. 

Even with McVean running guys in and out constantly it was still a close game.  Please cut the "easy win" crap, anyone who looks at the game stats can see the margin was between 5 and 10 points the entire second half.  And somehow I imagine Fran Snyder is sleeping just fine tonight after Bryant "destroyed" him -- which is a complete fabrication, considering Bryant played 35 minutes and Snyder played 18. 

You're an idiot.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 11, 2006, 10:41:40 am
Clear, it takes a real man to spout off at the mouth when his team is doing well then, for the most part, completely disappear when his team has lost 3 out of 5 games like you did. That's class, friend.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on February 11, 2006, 11:12:31 am
Booyah


The Hartwick Basketball Emerging Dynasty is Progressing!

Evidence:

9 Wins
3 conference wins
2 conference home wins
1 conference road win
1 conference sweep (Naz)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Last night's win against Naz brought tears to my eyes! What makes the win even sweeter is it was a complete team effort conducted by the Hawks. For the first time this season 5 Hawks were in double point figures and one of those five wasn't Jan COCOZZIELLO. I could go on and on about last nights win, but I have a life to conduct.

I think it is pretty safe to say that Naz didn't really have a chance in the game, except for the end of the game.

Ciao for now.....

More later.......

P.S.
GoBombers15 your days,hours,minutes are numbered on this board. You made a tactical mistake bumping your 6 win threshold down to 4. Enjoy your time us while you can!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 11, 2006, 11:20:03 am
And who exactly is going to keep me from posting, MadHawk? You have a life to conduct? Is that the same life that entails thinking about Hartwick basketball as you fall asleep each night, as you so readily admitted? I hope you enjoy that life, say hi to your Mom for me because you obviously live with her.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on February 11, 2006, 12:08:42 pm
In all likelihood, Budcrew, you're gonna have to see one of the Rochester teams in the first round. I don't think RIT is going to be too scared playing Utica in the Roc, considering their success against the Pioneers in that city.

At Fisher, RIT vs Utica series is split 1-1 in the last 2 seasons.

RIT never had a chance last night. Utica fixed the problems they had in the first game, played their game, made their free throws, and dominated.

Snyder only scored 2 points. It seems he may be having some problems with his knee again. Number 30 off the bench can jump out of the gym.

The officials last night were the most professional crew I have seen all season. A complete 180 from the garbage crew that did the Oswego game. Last nights guys made a few bad calls both ways, but were consistent, not influenced by either coach or crowd, and went by the book. It was nice to see.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on February 11, 2006, 12:18:03 pm
Alfred is a team that may be a spoiler in the next few weekends. They have a lot of talent, and did not live up to their potential. They are a team that could want to go out on a bang.

Q. Bryant wasn't in the starting lineup against UC. I am not sure if he is back in it or not.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: rjcarter8 on February 11, 2006, 03:59:42 pm
Not that they were likely to get a spot in the E8 tourney, but Naz sure is playing itself right out of the tourney isn't it? That loss to Hartwick last night likely sealed their fate. Of the bottom teams, Hartwick's victory was least expected, but maybe it's just evidence Naz has given up on the season.

Alfred's win was no surprise, I'm just surprised the Saxons didn't win by more against the team who has no conference wins and just three overall. Elmira is just awful and Alfred has plenty of talent. However, I see IC getting the win at McLane today. A beating at the hands of Fisher combined with poor coaching by Murphy should equal a Bombers win.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 11, 2006, 06:31:48 pm
Final from McLane Center:
IC 91, AU 83
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on February 11, 2006, 07:06:53 pm
clear, don't listen to the haters,   Ray did do some destroying in that game     my vote is logged

AU, I am from Utica
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 11, 2006, 07:30:15 pm
Around the E8 today...

Fisher 78-52 over Elmira to clinch the #1 seed for the E8 tournament and the right to host.  Tough task ahead for the other 3 teams in the field to beat the Cards at their house.  Dan McSweeney 19 points, 22 and 11 in defeat for Micah Owens, who seems like a genuinely good player that should be applying his talents for a school that gives a crap, rather than EC.

RIT blows an 18-point second half lead but nips Hartwick in OT 96-90, not taking control until the final minute.  34 points in defeat for Jan Cocococooozielo.  Col, Bamm and Tigerfan2 probably feel like they just narrowly missed a deadly car accident like those kids in Final Destination 2.  You know, before they all died anyway or something cuz death had a plan.  What stupid movies those were.

Utica plows Naz 98-74.  No box info available on d3hoops.com.

Ithaca over Alfred 91-83 behind a career day for Jim Bellis with 31 points and 13 rebounds.  I was half-expecting to lose this one.  Yaay that we won and stuff.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 11, 2006, 07:50:50 pm
Ithaca is going 0-2 this weekend. Guaranteed.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 12, 2006, 12:24:23 am
Some quick hitters then a look at how the All-Conference accolades should shake out:

-Should be a busy E8 tournament weekend in Pittsford as both the Fisher men and women have already clinched home-court advantage by virtue of winning the regular season championships. The women's games will likely start at 12 and 2:30 pm on Saturday, the gym will be cleared, and the men's games will begin at 6 and 8:30pm. The E8 depends on this tournament as a big source of funds so they're going to want two separate gate funds. I've heard rumblings that they may play the women's semis on Friday night, the men's semis on Saturday afternoon, the women's final on Saturday night, and the men's final on Sunday afternoon. It'll be interesting to see how they do it.

-Clear is wrong again, as usual. He guaranteed Ithaca would go 0-2 this weekend and, lo and behold, they went 1-1. Knowing the Bombers would lose at Fisher, Clear really only needed to get one game right for his prediction to come to fruition. I think we know what happened from there. Nice work, Clear.

-Hartwick may be better than I thought but they're still a distant 7th in the conference, which is exactly where I picked them to finish in the conference.

-Naz: it's time to hire a new coach. No reason that team should have the ups and downs that it is having. They have some young players but they are very talented. Daley has had a fork in his back for the last 3 seasons.

-Another impressive win for Utica in a game that doesn't really mean anything. The Pioneers are nauseatingly predictable at this point.

-Jim Bellis lights up Alfred again. I think he has Alfred's vote for E8 POY considering his two games against the Saxons this year.

-Speaking of E8 POY, I think it's a four horse race at this point. Here are the candidates:

-Ray Bryant: Pros: In the top 4 for scoring, rebounding, FG %. Can be a double-double machine when he's on. Cons: Utterly invisible in his team's two biggest conference games of the season (Fisher, twice). Wasn't one of the three best players on the court in either game.

-Jim Bellis: Pros: Smoothe as they come on the offensive end. Good outside shooter, can get to the rack and will shoot a lot of FT's. Probably the most athletic player pound-for-pound in the league when he feels like displaying it. Only consistent scoring threat for Ithaca. After Fisher beat Ithaca in the Bulb, Nick Bennett was quoted in The Ithacan as saying that Bellis is his toughest assignment in the E8. Cons: Defers to others too much. Rarely likes to take the game over. Will settle for a jumpers when he can get to rack or the foul line. Doesn't have the killer instict when the game is on the line. Too many defensive lapses.

-Sean O'Brien: Pros: For my money, the most valuable and best player in the league. I think every poster would take him first if they were starting a team and could have any player in the conference. As he showed in the 2nd Utica game, can take any game over if he wants to; he simply chooses not to  because of Fisher's vast arsenal. He is a winner. Cons: When it really comes down to it, doesn't have the numbers of the other contenders. That will be the only reason he doesn't win.

-Joe Canori: Pros: Offensively gifted player. One of the nicest jumpers you'll see when he's not forcing things. A true scorer in every sense of the word. Leading scorer in the conference. Type of guy you'll watch and say "he didn't have that great of a game," then you'll come home to see he scored 23 points. Cons: Has laid some eggs in big spots this year. Tends to force the issue instead of letting the game come to him. Sometimes has trouble getting his own shot. If he's having an off game he tends to disappear(see every time he has played Fisher). Still just a sophomore and that will be held against him.

Sorry for the length of the post, fellas. I'll post what I think the all-conference teams are going to be tomorrow. I think we're gonna be surprised by one or two of the players on the 1st team.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 12, 2006, 12:16:15 pm
Bamm and GB you guys need to get a life.  You spend more time on here nocking other posters when nobody knocks you.  First off Bamm - the RIT Utica game was never in doubt.  I was there, were you?  They sustained a comfortable margin the whole way.  So you get a clue about attacking a post from someone who was at the game. 
Number 2 My prediction of ALfred over Ithaca was an upset prediction, not a lock.  Perhaps I think Ithaca is a better team than you do, since you felt it wouldn't be a shock to see them lose that game.  Alfred stinks.  As your boys to rank the E-8 teams and i guarentee the only team they would rank below Alfred is Elmira.
Yesterday's game was a complete joke.  Cichon could have scored 40 if he played more.  They did whatever they wanted to do.
We need to get through next week and and then Tuesday of the following week against a very underrated Hartwick team and then onto the only thing that matters at this point, the tournament.
Funny how I made a post last week about the same thing and yet GB you continue to post meaninless wins by the Pioneers.  Get a life dude.  And by the way my Father is a lawyer, you are not doing any lawyers any good by speaking out of your behind like your some sort of hotshot lawyer about not keeping your word.  GET A CLUE AND GROW UP.

My league awards (nothing is going to change over the next 2/3 games for these teams as far as me having a change of heart.

Coach Of the year:
Rob Kornaker SJF - The best players overall but he gets them to play hard and together.  A tip to the strength coach over there though because that team is jacked physically.
Honorable mention:
Paul Culpo Hartwick - I am not sure I have seen anyone do more with less than what he has done in a very short period of time.  He will probable get 4 or 5 league wins, has a great freshman and has done an excellent job.
Bob McVean RIT - What else can you say.  The 3rd best team and they LOST 4 starters from last year.  Great job!


Player of the Year:
Sean O'Brien  SJF - Best player on the best team.  He controls every game and could score 20 if the team needs it, or gets 10 assists if the team needs it.  In my opinion he was better than  Sydney last year.
Honorable mention:
Ray Bryant Utica - He is the BEST player in the league.  But I want him to dominate when it matter most.  IS the one guy capable of taking down Fisher in a few weeks.
Too many other guys that in my opinion that are basically neck and neck.

Freshman of the year:
Is this vote I am only including freshman since some leagues have newcomer of the year which in this case is Bryant (Read above).
Jan Cocozziello  Hartwick - Not even close.  He is a first team player in this league right now.  He is better than Canori right now, and if people are going to put him into this caliber then this kid should be 1st team too.  But in any event a landslide here for this award.
Honorable mention:
Sean Burton Ithaca - A nice point guard who should be a fixture at Ithaca for the next 3 years.
 Doug Herring Utica - A solid player who can shoot from long range and has held up under the pressure of being the point guard on the 2nd best team.

To MADHAWK:
Team of the future:
Hartwick - Great young kids with a dominant player.  If that staff can continue to recruit like it has so far you are going to be one happy poster.
Nazareth - Really like the young kids on this team, just need a point guard to run the team
Utica - Yes we lose 3 key guys, but we return the best player, our inside guys and Herring.

Peace
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 12, 2006, 12:25:41 pm
after having seen coco and Burton, Burton wins this award in a landslide.  Ray Bryant needs to show up for Utica to make it out of the first round.  While I know that fisher won't be as strong next year as this year, you never know. Fisher doesn't rebuild they reload.  Again I repeat after having seen all of the best players in this league the only one who has impressed me is Bellis.  Naz is always a tough game, next fridays games should be very fun.  After having talked to several guys on the team, they admitted to taking the first game lightly, I can't see them doing this again
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 12, 2006, 12:27:14 pm
First decent post for you in awhile, Clear. By the way, I'm not speaking out like some "hotshot lawyer," surely you jest. You should realize by now that I'm just give you a hard time about 90% of the time, but you do bring it on yourself a lot of the time.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 12, 2006, 12:41:25 pm
Wow,
Everyone is playing nice nice.
Where is Hawk when you need him to say something stupid! :o
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 12, 2006, 03:37:48 pm
Clear -- I'm sorry for attacking you personally.  I hope I didn't hurt your feelings too badly. 

Here's the way the tourney would shape up if it started today:

RIT (3) vs. Utica (2)
Ithaca (4) vs. Fisher (1)

However, this could and should change.  Ithaca has played one less game than RIT, and if they win two of three against Utica, Hartwick, and Elmira they will be tied with the Tigers for third -- a tie that would be broken by Ithaca's two wins over RIT. 

So -- in two weeks look for RIT/Fisher and Ithaca/Utica.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 12, 2006, 05:09:23 pm
I can barely believe it but I think that Clear is right on with his predictions, on POY and COY...I still think he is being a little kind to Utica thinking that they are up for team of the future, but hey he is a fan...

I think Fisher will be a real tough team to beat again next year for a few reasons. First, they lose a lot, but do return beigle, Mcsweeny, Smalt, a very strong inside presence. As far as bringing the ball up and guard play, I think a lot of the Fisher bench players would see a lot of time on some other E8 teams, and kornaker is a great recruiter which will help.
I would pick them to be in the mix for a league title next year, but hey I am a fan...

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 12, 2006, 06:48:18 pm
You have to be careful with the POY award. This league can sometimes do crazy things with this award. I wouldn't be surprised if Micah Owens of Elmira comes close to winning it, either. Look at his numbers, he's at the top of almost every statistical category.

Don't get me wrong, I think winning should count for something but I've seen similar situations where a player from an awful team won solely because of stats. In '03-'04, the Ithaca women's team had by far the two best players in the league (Swatling and Cleary) and they were on a team that went something like 13-1 in the conference. The E8 gave the POY award to some girl on Elmira, a 2-12 team, who averaged like 23 pts/game because she was that team's only threat. This girl from Elmira, at best, was the 5th or 6th best player in the league (Fisher had some that were better, too), yet she won. I'm sure CazBombers remembers this because we were both pretty shocked.

With that said, here's how I think the all-conference awards will shake out:

Coach of the Year: Kornaker-St. John Fisher. Not even close, but Culpo from Hartwick will get some consideration.

Rookie of the Year: Jan Cocozziello-Hartwick. I think it's closer than Clear makes it out to be, though. Cocozziello has to do everything for that team so, obviously, his numbers will be better than guys like Burton and Herring. I think if you put Burton in the same position he could do many of the same things that Cocozziello does. Burton is a very important cog for Ithaca and without him they wouldn't have been nearly as successful this year.

Player of the Year: Ray Bryant- Utica. As I mentioned yesterday, I think most would agree that O'Brien is the most valuable and best player in the league. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the numbers Bryant does. It will be interesting to see if the coaches overlook that fact, but I sincerely doubt it.

All Conference 1st Team

Sean O'Brien-SJF: Obvious pick. It's a joke if he's not on the 1st team.
Joe Canori-Naz: Got off to a great start but has faded of late. I could easily see t his spot going to Cichon but I think Canori gets it because he'll have the scoring title.
Jim Bellis-IC: Bellis has continually improved over the years and makes the jump from 2nd team to 1st team. He deserves it.
Ray Bryant-UC: Has the numbers for the 2nd place team in the league.
Dillon Stein-AU: One of the few competent big guys in the league and has good numbers.

All-Conference 2nd Team

Quentin Bryant-AU: On talent alone, there are few with more. May have been hurt by having to sit out the first semester.
Justin Cichon-UC: Like I said, may be a 1st teamer. Addition of Bryant hurt his numbers but still probably the most valuable player to the Pioneers.
Fran Snyder-RIT: When I think of this guy, it will always be "what could have been?" He was awesome his first two years but bad knees really slowed him down. It's too bad.
Micah Owens-EC: See above. Has the numbers but is hurt by being on such a terrible team. He should still be rewarded for bringing it every night.
Dan McSweeney-SJF: Really improved this year. Leads the league in FG% and is a force defensively, blocking and altering shots.

Honorable Mention

Jan Cocozziello-HC: Good numbers. Has been a savior for the Hawks.
Barrett Zeinfeld-RIT: Potent outside shooter for the Tigers.
Mike McGee-SJF: Best shooter in the league. Doesn't do much else which will keep him from being on one of the top two teams.
Ryan MacAdam-Naz: Streaky player with a lot of talent. Has had enough good games to get him this honor.
Brian Andruskiewicz-IC: Could have been a 1st teamer this year. Not really sure what happened with this one.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 13, 2006, 08:46:42 am
GB - those look like good picks, though I can't believe I'd say this but Coco may belong on the 2nd team.  Wick would be winless minus that kid.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 13, 2006, 10:45:51 am
I agree.  I can't imagine how anyone would say that Burton is better than him.  First off, Coco averages more assists/game and averages more points on a worse team.  If you put these guys on the "other" team Ithaca may challenge for the league and Hartwick would be in more trouble than they are right now.  If you are going to put Canori on first team, then Coco should be there too.

Bellsi/Coc would be a pretty formidable 1-2 punch.

POY is going to be the interesting one!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 13, 2006, 10:49:34 am
I'm going off of the one time I saw both of these players play against fisher.  Coco disappered and Burton was one of the only bright spots for an otherwise weak Ithaca squad
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 13, 2006, 11:17:22 am
Regardless of whether or not you consider it relevant or right, don't disregard the angle that O'Brien is a senior and Bryant has another year to win the award.  O'Brien has been one of the biggest contributors, maybe the most important one, on the best team in the league for three years -- that fact will probably enter the coach's minds.  It still might not be enough to overcome the numbers, though.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 13, 2006, 12:11:36 pm
I agree, Bamm, and I do hope that's the case. The "age" consideration will come into play, which I think is what will also ultimately cost Cocozziello a spot on one of the top two teams. I'd be very surprised if they picked a freshman(Cocozziello) over a senior (Q.Bryant) for that spot. Ditto for Cichon and Canori. It may not be fair, but that's how it works. How else does one explain why Chris Paul isn't on the Western Conference All-Star team? The only thing he has going against him is age.

Other than that, I think the teams will come out pretty close to that.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 13, 2006, 01:55:52 pm
GB-ooooooo I smell an age discrimination lawsuit!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 13, 2006, 02:06:01 pm
congrats on post 500 FisherAlum
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 13, 2006, 02:41:49 pm
Wow!
I didn't even notice!
I'd like to thank the academy...
Geez - how many more till I advance in rank?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 13, 2006, 03:31:09 pm
Wow!
I didn't even notice!
I'd like to thank the academy...
Geez - how many more till I advance in rank?

A lot. I'm pretty up there and still stuck at Starter. I keep asking Pat to increase my role but he says I have to stay a starter for a bit longer.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 13, 2006, 03:40:03 pm
GB - We have been on here for a long time!
3 years for me.
Wow- oh well we'll just have to keep typing!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 14, 2006, 09:12:42 am
A great article on PK the womens baskeball coach on ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/columns/story?columnist=mowins_beth&id=2324731
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 14, 2006, 09:46:13 am
Great article about a  class act.
Took the ladies to the final four while I was there!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 14, 2006, 10:36:11 am
Wow. Great article about non- DI athletics. ESPN writers need to do more articles like this one. I had no idea that the Fisher coach had that many wins.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 14, 2006, 12:31:51 pm
That was a good article. Also, that picture was the first time I've seen him awake on the sidelines. Ok, I made that last part up, but he's so calm over there I wonder sometimes if he's even watching the game. He and his assistant are definitely funny to watch because he looks so ambivalent and she's running up and down the sidelines and screaming at refs.

Also, Jim Bellis and Ray Bryant share E8 Player of the Week honors. Jan Cocozziello wins E8 Rook of the Week. Considering Sean O'Brien has won Player of the Week exactly Zero times, I have a feeling the coaches aren't going to give him this award. I'm sure he's fine with that, too.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 14, 2006, 02:07:39 pm
or that the Fisher Womens Basketball, is the winningest program in d3 history
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 14, 2006, 09:07:04 pm
Great article about a great coach...It still blows my mind that the facility is not named after him. At least the gym if not the entire life center...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 15, 2006, 07:37:20 am
The Gym should be named for him.
Life ctr i s too obscure.
The Kahler Gymnasium
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on February 15, 2006, 08:18:37 am
Booyah Folks,

Before I continue with the body of my post I would like to thank Pat Coleman for the oppourtunity to post on this board. Without his hardwork and generosity we would not have have a venue to talk about Empire 8 basketball on the internet.

Now onto the main portion of the post.

This post is not about the upcoming playoffs, players of the year, coaches of the year. What this post is about is our fellow poster GoBombers15.

Earlier in the season GoBombers15 naively stated that he will no longer post on d3hoops.com if Hartwick wins 6 conference games. After Hartwick's losing streak to start the conference season he lowered his challenge to 4 conference games.Well folks with Elmira coming up on Friday night a 4 conferennce win is imminent. This would mean that our embattled fellow poster made a tacital mistake lowering his challenge.

Believe me I am not going to let this go once it happens. However, after much thought I am not going to seek GoBombers15 removal on this board. Although this board could fuction without GoBombers15, it wouldn't be good for the future of this board. However, there is a catch! I ask for boards support in the following ways in the punishment of GoBombers15:

1. Demotion from starter to waterboy
2. An Icon change for a Iraqi solider to the Hartwick Hawk Head
3. A post limit of 1 per day, with each post ending with a positive comment about Hartwick Basketball and negative comment about Ithaca.

I hope all of you will support me on this endeavour. Have a nice day and let the rebuttals from GoBombers begin! There will be NO plea bargins!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 15, 2006, 08:42:32 am
Hawk,
Now that is funny!

Moron.

kid - go to class- who knows you may even meet a chick
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 15, 2006, 09:43:23 am
Quote
Before I continue with the body of my post I would like to thank Pat Coleman for the oppourtunity to post on this board. Without his hardwork and generosity we would not have have a venue to talk about Empire 8 basketball on the internet.

Mad Hawk,
While we do appreciate the opportunity to talk E8 basketball, you have been nothing but annoying in your time here on the board. So take a paper towel and wipe the brown off your nose and lips and slowly unfasten your lips from PC's ass.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 15, 2006, 10:00:17 am
Mad Hawk,
While we do appreciate the opportunity to talk E8 basketball, you have been nothing but annoying in your time here on the board. So take a paper towel and wipe the brown off your nose and lips and slowly unfasten your lips from PC's ass.

Well put.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 15, 2006, 10:32:46 am
Wow,  So that's how MadHawk is still on this board, so for fairness sake I say that we go with 5 hartwick wins.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 15, 2006, 11:05:30 am
GB- what is your take on this fine young man? :P
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 16, 2006, 03:59:51 pm
Where did everybody go? :-\
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 16, 2006, 05:27:04 pm
I'll reply to MadHawk's latest stupid post and other things either tonight or tomorrow. It's getting busy around here for me with school and everything.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: notjoshreed on February 16, 2006, 07:56:55 pm
Hey leave Hawk alone, he is wacko but he is entertaining, remember this is entertainment afterall and Hartwick did get better this year

With all the names out there for conference all stars , no one mentioned Nick Bennett.  In my humble opinion great games start with great defense and Bennett is one of the toughest defenders in the league.  When Fisher plays well and plays a cut above others as it did several times this year it was games when Bennett shut down or held other teams stud to average to poor games.  Some one mentioned that O"brien can turn it on anytime when needed, well watch Bennett when he keys on a player he is tough, His intensity is what defense is about

As a dad I need to go watch my daughter play in her first high school sectional game Friday Night,  I can't believe I will miss the Fisher/naz rematch that venue will be hopping.  The previous game was as much fun as any game this year even with Fisher losing.  ( I predict Fisher by 20 even with Canori scoring 14 this time around)

Oh well back to the olympics
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 16, 2006, 09:04:41 pm
That place will probably be sold out by the start of the womens game.  A lot of Fisher Students got shut out of the last game so from what I have heard everyone is planning on going real early.  As in the Athletic department told us that they start selling tickets at 5:00 pm
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 17, 2006, 11:35:25 am
This is just weird- like out of the twilight zone-
Everyone is gone like it is off season!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 17, 2006, 11:36:43 am
This is just weird- like out of the twilight zone-
Everyone is gone like it is off season!

Everyone is catching their breath for tournament time... only a couple of weeks left!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on February 17, 2006, 11:37:31 am
Does Hartwick still have a chance at the tournament?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 17, 2006, 11:40:33 am
Does Hartwick still have a chance at the tournament?

I don't think they do... I think the four teams in the tourney are going to be Fisher, Utica, RIT and Ithaca, not necessarily in that order. Hartwick only has 4 conference wins, it'll take a little time, if they can get someone to complement Coco.

Short answer: No.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 17, 2006, 12:19:05 pm
no chance 4th place is currently 7 wins and hartwick has 3 wins right now with 3 left to play.  So hartwick will win the nice boobey prize of sucking again this year.  Yes they were better, but with out coco crisp coming back they are going to suck yet again  GO FISHER Kick the $h1T out of naz
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 17, 2006, 12:49:25 pm
Beat Naz!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 17, 2006, 01:05:13 pm
Looks like Naz, AU, Hartwick and Elmira will be left out in the cold. Saxons were picked, with their talent, to finish in the Top Four, yet couldn't muster a winning record. Murphy's coaching trademark has been hard work and discipline....but the results have been mediocre.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 17, 2006, 01:17:06 pm
Murphy's coaching trademark has been hard work and discipline....but the results have been mediocre.

Jay Murphy is the worst coach in the E8. Mike Daley may be a close second, but I don't think a coach in the league has squandered as much talent over the past few years as Murphy has. There have been some unfortunate injuries at AU, but with the talent they have, AU has consistently been a disappointment.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 17, 2006, 03:56:58 pm
Like I said, I'll get to MadHawk's post tomorrow after classes when I get a chance to catch my breath. Here are my picks for tonight's games:

RIT over Alfred, 80-71.

Fisher over NAZ, 73-63.

ELMIRA over Hartwick, 15-12 (or 67-65).

Utica over ITHACA, 73-70 (OT), followed by Clear coming in here and saying the game wasn't nearly as close as it looked despite there being 14 lead changes and 10 ties in the 2nd half alone. I'm honestly rooting for Utica to win this one because I don't think they can beat the Bombers three times in one season. Like Charles Barkley's book title says, "I could be wrong, but I doubt it."
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 17, 2006, 04:14:28 pm
Don't forget that we will be remembered that Ray Bryant is the best player in the history of the E8 and that Utica will now move on to beat SJF on the road by 20, because Utica never loses to other teams, they just beat themselves.

The prediction of UC over EC by eleventy billion will also be included, but everyone knows that.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: rjcarter8 on February 17, 2006, 04:25:25 pm
Murphy's coaching trademark has been hard work and discipline....but the results have been mediocre.

Jay Murphy is the worst coach in the E8. Mike Daley may be a close second, but I don't think a coach in the league has squandered as much talent over the past few years as Murphy has. There have been some unfortunate injuries at AU, but with the talent they have, AU has consistently been a disappointment.

Tigerfan, I couldn't agree with you more. I have no idea where the hardwork and discipline have been, but Murphy's players have not historically been the most well behaved players off the court. One guy even left for a year due to drinking issues. As for hard work, that has me in the dark. Maybe the players have worked hard, but Murphy loses out on kids in his own backyard. The most glaring one is the Smalt kid at Fisher. He played at a local high school and Murphy didn't notice him until sectionals of his senior year when it was too late to do anything. And it's not like the kid wasn't lighting everyone up in his league for the previous 2-3 years.

With an inside-outside combo like Q. Bryant and Stein, there is no reason AU shouldn't be in the top four, especially with an OK supporting cast. It's become clear that AU will amount to nothing until Jay Murphy is no longer coaching there.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 17, 2006, 09:21:40 pm
14 mins remaining in Ithaca, Utica just took their first lead of the game at 43-42. The pioneers have led for exactly :10 seconds in the game so far. Just in case Clear tried to tell you of Utica's domination.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 17, 2006, 09:42:06 pm
Utica goes on a 22-8 run to take a 60-50 lead. During that span, Jim Mullins called exactly zero timeouts. He is also playing a very offensively-deficient lineup. During the last four minutes, the only scorer he had on the floor was Bellis, who was accompanied by Brian Kern, Whetstone, Stahn, and Jeff Bostic. That's an awful crunch time lineup. Gotta love that coach.

Ithaca star PG Sean Burton is not playing this evening due to a groin injury. He will likely be held out of tomorrow's game as well. Mullins expects him to be back for the tournament.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 17, 2006, 09:48:27 pm
Ithaca responds, cutting Utica's lead to 66-62 with 2 minutes remaining. Bellis is having a huge game and is carrying Ithaca right now. He's singlehandedly keeping them in the game right now.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 17, 2006, 09:53:02 pm
Utica leads 71-66 with 38.2 seconds. Lucas hits a 3-pointer as the shot clock wound down. Dagger of a shot.

By the way, there is no doubt in my mind that Clear is in attendance at that game. Everything you need to know about Clear, I can sum up by describing the Utica fan base. You know how after most teams score the crowd applauds and cheers like normal people? Well after every Utica basket their fans go "Ooooohhhhhhh." Not like "oh that was awesome," but like "ohhhhh, snap, you just got sauced." Ghetto fans, besides Budcrew, for a ghetto team.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 17, 2006, 10:21:26 pm
Fisher squeaks one out tonight,  Ahead 67-64 with 1 second left, naz put up a great shot that went in and out.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 17, 2006, 10:23:56 pm
Rivalry aside, why is Fisher having such a problem with Naz this year but handling Utica? That rivalry existed the last two years and Fisher was beating the snot outta Naz, what's changed this year?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 17, 2006, 10:26:24 pm
I guess I never should have opened my mouth, as AU beats RIT by 3 tonight. AU was hot from 3 pt range throughout, I haven't seen the box score, but they had to have at least 15 3's. This was one of those games they showed the potential they have. The refs really let the teams play, but it was pretty balanced for both sides. Dillon Stein could get an Oscar for the 2 charges he drew, but he sold it, so they were good plays. I think even he knew he got away with a couple, judging by the smiles after the play.

RIT had big games from Zeinfeld (22 pts, 19 in the 1st half), Snyder, and Bacon.

Hallett from AU had a big game, he had 20+ on a number of 3's. I'm suprised he had enough time to actually play the game given all the time he spend staring into the stands. I guess you have to be pround to finish out your career with another bottom half finish in the league and no post season appearences.
Props also to the one kid on AU's bench who was a one man cheering section.

RIT should get used to this style of play, however, as Fisher is going to play the same way and shoot just as well. If they can't step up vs. AU then tomorrow may not be pretty.

Yeah, I'm bitter but AU just outplayed RIT tonight so congrats to them. I haven't looked at the standings, but if they beat Naz tomorrow, they may finish in 5th.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 17, 2006, 10:32:19 pm
Looks like tonight's action pretty much seals the 1st round games in the tourney, unless RIT upsets Fisher tomorrow.

RIT @ Fisher
Ithaca vs Utica

Did anyone catch the post-game interview following the Ithaca/Utica game tonight? Utica's coach kept going on about his sole goal for the remainder of the regular season was to avoid Fisher in the E8 tournament. You're gonna have to play them eventually if you're gonna go to the NCAA's, coach! You may be better off playing them on Saturday afternoon, like Ithaca did last year.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 17, 2006, 10:40:38 pm
I was wondering why fisher doesn't play well against Naz the way I see it is that they play down to them.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 18, 2006, 01:19:01 am
Fisher struggles against Naz because Naz plays as well as they possibly can, and Fisher plays like they are playing an 8-16 team...I guess it just that simple.

As long as they win it is cool...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: notjoshreed on February 18, 2006, 08:59:28 am
Gosh It looks like I missed a barn burner.  Was it as much fun as the fist game? I did hear that the officiating was quite one side towards Naz and that Naz set several illegal screens to free up Canori ( who I heard was hot)
Also heard that 700 people were turned away and that they may consider the Blue Cross Arena next year.

Anyone who was there care to comment?

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 18, 2006, 10:04:16 am
it was a fabulous game. There were many calls that went for Naz but despite that, Naz lost the game b/c they missed a lot and I mean a lot of easy layups. Fisher almost gave them the game but held on for the win. As it relates to people being turned away. They started letting more people in as the Men's game started. I actually was one of the people waiting. I was glad I waited b/c that was a great game last night.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on February 18, 2006, 10:09:28 am
tigerfan2, are you making fun of Bryant and saying that he isn't the best player in the league???
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 18, 2006, 12:26:04 pm
Man I still hate Naz!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 18, 2006, 12:36:22 pm
speaking of people getting turned away from the game...The 2 schools really need to do something about the situation with the size of the two gyms.

There is just not enough room in either school's gym for the game. I think the blue cross arena is a good idea. They need to move the game to a place where they can at least get a few 100 more fans in the building. Maybe move the game to another school with a bigger gym, like RIT or U of R.

A few times I was thinking about how a great game, between such great rivals could get any better. The only thing I could think of was having a bigger crowd. I like the idea that the gym is packed full of intense fans, but they could easily fit about a 1,000 more. I know about 700 got turned away, but I also know a lot more that did not come simply because at 6:30 when they were ready to go they figured that it was far too late to get in...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 18, 2006, 12:37:51 pm
and Fisheralum91...I still hate Naz too...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 18, 2006, 02:01:48 pm
I agree with the idea that the game should be put at a larger, neutral venue. However, that raises some logistical questions that may not be easily solved:

1) Do we play both games at a neutral venue?

2) If we only play one of the games at a neutral venue, who gets the home game and then who has to spend their home game playing at a neutral site? Does it rotate?

3) Would the game be as good without the intimacy of a small D3 gym if it were to be put in Blue Cross Arena? Maximum, 3,000 people would go to that game. There'd be a lot of empty seats which would take away from some of the atmosphere.

4) Maybe put the game in a big high school gym like Webster Schroeder's? A nice, big high school gym that probably fits as much as Fisher and Naz's gyms do, combined. Also, it is probably just the right size for it to be packed.

Basically, I don't think either school would consent to playing this game at a different venue

Predictions for today's games:

ITHACA 71 Hartwick 55

Utica 82 ELMIRA 58

NAZ 77 Alfred 68

Fisher 80 RIT 73

I likely won't be able to post until tomorrow because there's Mardi Gras parades all day today and then it's Memphis at Tulane tonight (we're gonna get worked, bad). If by some act of God Ithaca loses to Hartwick, don't think I threw myself into the Mississippi River.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: reggieball22 on February 18, 2006, 02:33:03 pm
A few comments from a long time reader of d3hoops and seldom poster. I think GB has it right on the money in numbers 3 and 4. The Naz-Fisher game must be played in a small venue and I dont think a neutral court is a good idea. Stepping onto the other schools turf is half the reason why this becomes such a big game. I spent one year in school at Naz before transfering to RIT and I can tell you that half the reason the game is so big is because the schools dislike each other so much any reason to set foot on the other schools campus and act like an asshole its definetly worth it. You move that game to a neutral site I am guaranteeing you lost at least 600 fans. The location of the games is what makes the rivalry so crazy....I also think there is no way either team would agree to change the game because of the income it brings in. Students arent the only ones at these games it brings out the basketball fan in everyone.....

I also would like to comment on this coaching debate of Daley and Murphy. While I think both coaches suck and have done very little with tons of talent, I think you have to look at Daley as being the worst coach in the league. He has been coaching for what 20 years and has a .500 record. He has been to 2 to NCAA championship tournaments in 20 years. He had a team a few years back with Jimmy Evans (Although I hated watching him play I believe led the league in scoring and assists at least once and maybe twice) and Lawrence Maroney who is the most gifted athlete the Empire 8 has seen in decades, along with a solid big man in Fran Ziblockli. Now while this team did win 22 games, it failed to make the big dance and lost 3 crucial Empire 8 games in a row after starting the year 14-2(beating an undefeated and nationally #2 ranked U of R in the chase).  I also believe one of those losses was to a horrible Hartwick team at home. This group of sophomores was supposed to be the second coming at Naz and they are about to finish 8-17. I dont think anybody in the Empire 8 even comes close to Daley at doing less with more.....follow up note does anyone from Naz know what happened to those 2 from Naz Evans and Maroney? I heard Evans was clowning it up against the Globetrotters and Maroney was on his 3rd kid with the hot girl that used to play basketball. Any truth to this?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 18, 2006, 02:37:14 pm
we have the best player in the league and can't wait until we meet Fisher in the championship game next week.  
-peace out!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 18, 2006, 04:18:20 pm
Ithaca opens the game on a 12-2 run against Hartwick. Well that was close for all of 10 seconds.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 18, 2006, 05:17:30 pm
IC by 25 over Hartwick with 10 mins remaining. The scrubs are already starting to come in for the Bombers. Maybe in 2010, MadHawk.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 18, 2006, 05:45:13 pm
Fisher over RIT by 14, easy one for the Cards...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 18, 2006, 06:09:09 pm
It wasn't exactly a barnburner, but I wouldn't call it "easy" either.  It was a five point game with four minutes left.  RIT overtook them early in the second half for a couple of minutes as well.  Fran Snyder played well in his last game at home, drawing fouls consistently against Nick Bennett (who fouled out). 

These two will play again in a week.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 18, 2006, 06:13:01 pm
RIT actually had a lead in the early stages of the 2nd half but then, as per usual, gave it away and Fisher pulled away.

O'Brien, McGee and Biegel had big games for SJF. Snyder had a good game for RIT in his final home game. Bennett couldn't really stay with him as Snyder drew a couple early fouls and then a couple more in the second half. Fisher had to switch Bennett off of Snyder at one point, not that it really mattered in the end.

I'm guessing it will be more of the same next weekend.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 18, 2006, 06:40:11 pm
I was at the game, RIT will get run out of town if they can't stop the inside out side play.  McGee and O'brien were nailing them from out side and Biegel killed RIT inside.  The fact the Snyder only had 17 points without bennet in the game for most of it. says to me that Snyder had an off game and that they need him to turn it up inorder to stand a chance to win next week
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 18, 2006, 10:54:52 pm
My only hope is that we get to play Ithaca next week so I can have the satisfaction of beating up on them for the 3rd time.  GB15 you crack me up.  You talk smack about your team and you are a pathetic 12-12.  Are you kidding me?  12-12! 
First you are a coward for not taking responsibility for your stupid posts.  You stated if Hartwick had 4 wins you'd never post again.  Too bad for the rest of us as they got to 4 wins and you are still posting.  Be a man of honor and leave.
Second you are a bully for talking crap about beating up on Hartwick (who by the way couldn't beat anyone without Cocozziello - and he didn't play today obviously) like that is a big deal.

GET A CLUE.  I supose it will be groundbreaking next Tuesday when you kill Elmira?  Your team stinks - check your record versus teams with winning records.  It is PATHETIC!!!  Where are your QUALITY WINS?   

Go back to law school and learn about LIFE dude.  GET A CLUE.

MADHAWK - Nice weekend, you got the split you needed but unfortunately he is a dispicable fan that won't honor his word.  Don't worry though as they will be 1 and done next week and we won't have to listen to him celebrate great wins versus LOSING TEAMS.

Look forward to Tuesday Madhawk.  I just hope we rest everyone and that no one gets hurt.

Oh I forget I should be like GB...... Yeah we killed Elmira today - it was never a game whooooohooooooo it was 25 before you know it blah blah blah.  Are you that bad that you are celebrating beating a team with 10 wins?

SAD!  Dude, very SAD!

Oh and one more thing, I wasn't at the game yesterday so eat that too.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 18, 2006, 11:35:07 pm
Superman -- Fisher is better than RIT.  I didn't expect anything other than a Cardinal victory.  That being said, the Tigers played a decent game.  Especially Snyder.  The only reason Snyder scored "most" of his points while Bennett was out of the game was because Snyder drew fouls on Bennett while Bennett was in the game.  Before the 16 minute mark of the first half Snyder had 5 points and Bennett had two fouls.  Bennett never played another minute in the first half.  It continued in the second half.  Did he even see more than 8 or 9 minutes of playing time?

Look, I like Bennett.  He plays hard and he's a good defender.  Snyder just had the better of him today, despite the fact that Fisher won the game (which they should have).  RIT is a perimeter team, but Fisher is a better peremiter team (and they have a nice inside presence with McSweeney and Beigel).  It's a bad matchup for the Tigers.

Tim Bacon had a really nice game against McSweeney, by the way, who really needed help against him.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: notjoshreed on February 19, 2006, 12:36:22 am
Bamm you are right, Bennet got into foul trouble early and often today and played just 10 minutes.  Fisher had a great perimiter game especially in the second half shooting a blistering 73% from the floor in the second half.  It was a good game with good energy from RIT especially in the first half.   Fisher finished strong with 20+ points for Biegel, Obrien and Mcgee.  I also think Smalt is coming along nicely late in the season and gave Fisher some quality minutes.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 19, 2006, 08:49:06 am
You know - Clear with the wind and snow I expected to hear your smack but I didn't expect you to side with Madhawk.
God- get out of the dorm and go to Champs or some other place and get some fresh air!  I think your mind is getting fried being stuck inside!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 19, 2006, 11:21:20 am
Look Madhawk says dumb things I agree, but he isn't attacking other people.  So he loves his school's team - I get that.  And the fact is they are improved and 3 or 4 freshman that may end but all league guys down the road.  So more power to him.
GB just makes stupid personal remarks about me and Utica.  The fact remains he said the most stupid thing on the board a few months ago about Hartwick neber getting to 4 wins.... that is his fault.  He should lie in the bed that he made.

Those are the facts.
And the other fact is Ithaca stinks.  They are a 500 team period!!!!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 19, 2006, 11:40:11 am
Clear-
No doubt that Hawk loves his team--literally!
It's kinda creepy.
Enjoy the sun and below zero windchill!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on February 19, 2006, 04:34:11 pm
Snyder just had the better of him today, despite the fact that Fisher won the game (which they should have).

Bennett had a horrible weekend, after getting lit up by Canori Friday night, then Snyder basically being a PITA yesterday. He's the top defender on Fisher and one of the best (if not the best) in the E8, he'll get over it, hopefully before the tourney :)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 19, 2006, 04:38:43 pm
Clear have you been sniffing the glue again.  Madhawk doesn't deserve to post, at least GB15 makes some senisible posts.  Madhawk just posts about how great a bad team is.  The only teams they have beaten are teams that they should beat.  GB15 said in the begining of the year  that they could win 4 games because both Naz and Elmira are beatable other than that no big wins for Wick.  He makes this board a worse place for being here.  Even you sometimes makes a good post.  But to defend hawk is a stupid thing and I thought that a Utica education taught you more than to defend a moron.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 19, 2006, 05:41:34 pm
Umm, Clear...should you really be talking to anybody about "quality wins". Outside of one game against a Hamilton team that did not have three of its better players (I believe they were starters) who have you beat.

The way I see it, against teams that could be considered "quality" (Hamilton, Fisher, Union(maybe), Oswego) you are 1-4.

I wouldn't go knockin Ithaca for not having quality wins. Show me Utica's marquee win against a solid team other than Hamilton. Wins against teams like SUNY IT, RIT, and Hobart don't really give you the right to go baggin on GB15, or anyone for that matter.

Have fun in ECAC's man...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 19, 2006, 06:46:11 pm
Wow, further proof that I own Clear, I apparently really got under his skin. I'll respond to Clear's posts one at a time:

My only hope is that we get to play Ithaca next week so I can have the satisfaction of beating up on them for the 3rd time. GB15 you crack me up.

Wait, "we get to play Ithaca." How many points have you scored in either game against the Bombers? How did you "beat up" on Ithaca in this second game? Do you think we don't have access to box scores, Clear? If you look at the stats, Ithaca led for more than 60% of that game. Utica made one run that put them over the top. I'm sure Ithaca would MUCH RATHER be playing Utica in the 1st round than Fisher. Am I wrong about that too, Clear? And you talk about Ithaca only beating 'Wick because Cocozziello was out, what about Utica beating Ithaca without Burton on Friday night? You conveniently left that out of your gifted analysis.

So if you do beat Ithaca in the E8 tournament and then, inevitably, get steamrolled by Fisher for a third time this year, what are you going to do then? Idiot.

GB15 you crack me up. You talk smack about your team and you are a pathetic 12-12. Are you kidding me? 12-12!

Alright, tough guy, you show me one place where I talk about how "great" Ithaca is. C'mon, show me one quote. I'll give you 24 hours to prove that I've made one comment about how "great" Ithaca is, after that, I will post FIVE quotes that I've made that talk about how slightly above average the Bombers are and that there only goal was to make the E8 tournament. It's unfortunate everyone else in here actually knows my take about my own team.

Sorry if we play quality teams outside the E8. I mean, I know SUNYIT is awesome and everything, being in the middle of the pack in the SUNYAC's, but why don't the Pioneers step up and go to Virginia for some early-season tournaments? Because they can't hack it, that's why.


First you are a coward for not taking responsibility for your stupid posts. You stated if Hartwick had 4 wins you'd never post again. Too bad for the rest of us as they got to 4 wins and you are still posting. Be a man of honor and leave.
Second you are a bully for talking crap about beating up on Hartwick (who by the way couldn't beat anyone without Cocozziello - and he didn't play today obviously) like that is a big deal.

Actually, moron, they played most of the Elmira game without Cocozziello and won that. Another stupid, and incorrect comment, by Clear. I love how you say "too bad for the rest of us" that I won't leave. I'd say 95% of the posters in this room would much rather have you off these boards than me. Unlike you, I don't beat my chest when my squad is winning games and then run and hide like a little girl when my team is getting beat (aka whenever they play a good team). Nor do I run my mouth 1/10th as much as you do about how good my team is.

And how did I make Ithaca beating Hartwick sound great. In fact, this is my first post since that game even ended. C'mon, even if Wick had Cocozziello it wouldn't have been close. Ithaca was also missing Burton in that game. Ithaca's starters got taken out with 8 minutes to go when they were up 26 points. I don't think ANY player in the E8 would have made a difference in that game if they were playing for Hartwick, including your boyfriend, Ray Bryant.

GET A CLUE. I supose it will be groundbreaking next Tuesday when you kill Elmira? Your team stinks - check your record versus teams with winning records. It is PATHETIC!!! Where are your QUALITY WINS?

Go back to law school and learn about LIFE dude. GET A CLUE.


First, see Superman's post about Utica playing against winning teams. Hey, don't feel inadequate just because your marquee win was against a team missing its top three players and you get trounced pretty much each time you play a decent time. It's ok, Clear, you can vent to us. Tell us how much it bothers you. We're here for ya, bud.

And let's evaluate who has a life. You live in Utica, NY. I live in a city where 80% of it's population was drunk by 5pm on both Saturday and Sunday this wee because it's almost Mardi Gras, it's 70 degrees pretty much every day, and a city whose claim to fame is something more than once being the AHL affiliate of the New Jersey Devils. Life 10, Clear 0.



Oh I forget I should be like GB...... Yeah we killed Elmira today - it was never a game whooooohooooooo it was 25 before you know it blah blah blah. Are you that bad that you are celebrating beating a team with 10 wins?

SAD! Dude, very SAD!

Uhhhhh, Clear, don't you realize we're making fun of you when we say that stuff? You know, how you always come in here and talk about how your 10-point wins over teams "weren't as close as they looked" despite the box score saying Utica was only up 4 points with 5 minutes remaining. I think you're the one who needs to get a clue.

I really cannot wait until next Sunday night when Clear comes in here and gives the fake "good game Fisher, we were as talented as you but we couldn't get it done" post. What you should say is "Fisher, you own us, we were as never as good as you this year and I know you were never scared of us like I continually said during the season; I was just trying to convince myself we could beat you when I knew it would never happen." I'm pumped.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 19, 2006, 07:04:42 pm
Here here GB15...how about instead of having gb15 leave we take a vote to kick clear out of here...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 19, 2006, 08:13:27 pm
Wow...just wow.

Clear, you just got owned, or as Col would say...

GB15 = B2K

Clear = served
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: reggieball22 on February 19, 2006, 08:20:30 pm
Clear = Idiot
GB = Intelligent

GB I really do enjoy your posts. Like thoroughly enjoy reading them. They are very well thought out, well put together and obviously intelligent. That being said, I do not feel that you should go unscathed with the whole madhawk incident. Now Madhawk is a bigger douchebag than clear, but you did lower yourself into a war of words with him GB, and in my opinion you have to eat your words in some form or another. Now why I think being banished from posting for life is a little too extreme (even that is what you said bro) I feel like something has to happen to bring that whole argument some closure....All that being said I dont think Hartwick will win more than 5 games in the Empire 8 in the next 3 years, and I will state my posting life on it. I dont care who they have, Fisher will reload, RIT and Utica will always be better because they have better coaches, and they will not consistently beat Alfred Naz Ithaca and Elmira on the road. I just dont see it happening. I know they have some nice young players, but think about it....how many times does it happen that Division 3 (and for some reason specifically Empire 8) players top out when they are freshmen and sophomores. It happens year in and year out whether it be the college life, girlfriend or whatever.....at the D3 level guys can be studs as young players and flatten out as they become upperclassmen. So this whole wait until all these young kids get older idea is not working for me. Just look at Nazareths super sophomore class that just produced an 8-17 record.....

Reggie lives.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 19, 2006, 08:28:01 pm
I feel that the punishment for GB15 should just be to have the Hartwick logo as his icon for one month.  Other than that, Clear you are know offically GB15's bitch
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on February 19, 2006, 11:43:07 pm
lol....you're such a big talker Steve........

But you're right.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on February 19, 2006, 11:48:11 pm
GB15 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clear.

How's that for a 100th post?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 20, 2006, 07:43:27 am
Wow!
GB-chin chin!
Clear- you had your chance-
Now let the games begin!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on February 20, 2006, 10:16:08 am
"Wait, "we get to play Ithaca." How many points have you scored in either game against the Bombers? How did you "beat up" on Ithaca in this second game? Do you think we don't have access to box scores, Clear? If you look at the stats, Ithaca led for more than 60% of that game. Utica made one run that put them over the top. "


Unfortunately for Ithaca, that one run lasted 25 minutes, and there was no looking back. You seem to have some sour grapes man.

To be fair, you were wrong on nearly every thing you have been "Arguing" with Clear about.

Ray Bryant's performance against Ithaca can only be described as total domination. He dropped 27, and was by far the best player on the court again. I havnt checked yet, but I wouldnt be surprised if he is once again player of the week.

You claimed he didnt show up for big games, especially those on the road. He did.

You claimed Utica cant win on the road. They did.

You claimed Utica cant win at Ithaca. They did.

I know clear sometimes presents his stuff with some extra passion, but his underlying message is quite often accurate.


"but why don't the Pioneers step up and go to Virginia for some early-season tournaments? Because they can't hack it, that's why."

And you can? Kind of faulty logic since Ithaca is 0-2 against Utica this year. It's a money issue. Us "ghetto" folk don't have the funds to take a lot of these trips. But as we learned this weekend, money doesnt make you a better team.


"Unlike you, I don't beat my chest when my squad is winning games and then run and hide like a little girl when my team is getting beat (aka whenever they play a good team"

You mean like a few pages back when you were talking smack as you listened on the radio to Ithaca with a lead, and instantly changed your tune to whining about "Utica fans" when Utica Dominated the last 25 minutes? You even went to making excuses "what about Utica beating Ithaca without Burton on Friday night? ". Did you forget to mention that Utica's starting center, and only true 5 man on the team did not play against Ithaca?




"First, see Superman's post about Utica playing against winning teams. "

We'd have 2 more quality wins if Ithaca was any good. I find it funny that you mention Hobart as one of our lambs, when they beat you. We beat oneonta soundly, Ithaca survived against them. How heated was that Green Mountain game you guys had? Did they have gas station coffee cups on their jersey? Speaking of middle of the road SUNYAC teams, Potsdam made Ithaca look like a JV team.

Schedule is not the reason for Ithaca's or Utica's record. Talent is.


"You live in Utica, NY. I live in a city where 80% of it's population was drunk by 5pm on both Saturday and Sunday this wee because it's almost Mardi Gras, it's 70 degrees pretty much every day, and a city whose claim to fame is something more than once being the AHL affiliate of the New Jersey Devils. "

This is the second time in 3 days you have insulted people in Utica in a pathetic and childish way. You dont see Utica fans on here talking about the Ithacaites walking around in Beret's, driving daddys car, drinking starbucks and pretending like anyone cares about them until they finally jump into the gourge because nobody understands how hard they have it in Ithaca.

By the way, you were dead wrong, and exaggerating in your Utica fans comment. First off, it happened maybe 3 times the entire game after a play made an Ithaca player or 2 look silly. Most of the people cheering for Utica there were either families of players, or the Ithaca football recruits who noticed Utica was much more fun to watch. "Normal fans" dont just sit there and clap. Bored fans do. A little bit of excitement from the fans might have made a decent Ithaca team that much better this year.


"I really cannot wait until next Sunday night when Clear comes in here and gives the fake "good game Fisher,"

At least you have conceeded that Ithaca will not be in the championship game. Kudos. See the fan comment above.









 










Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 20, 2006, 10:25:56 am
Wow again.
As a native of New Hartford, the slaps on Utica sting a little, but in the grand scheme of things I think his venom is placed directly at clear.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 20, 2006, 10:49:17 am
maybe Utica fans need to stop taking their frustration out on people on this board and just deal with the fact that they are not as good as they thought/said they were...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on February 20, 2006, 11:10:54 am
Don't you guys think Schultz and Dooley are a better claim to fame than being an AHL affiliate?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 20, 2006, 11:12:39 am
Schultz and Dooley yes.
Matt's no.
Saranac yes.
Utica Club yes.

Saranac thursdays in the summer-YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 20, 2006, 11:17:21 am
... You dont see Utica fans on here talking about the Ithacaites walking around in Beret's, driving daddys car, drinking starbucks and pretending like anyone cares about them until they finally jump into the gourge because nobody understands how hard they have it in Ithaca.
....

Wow, I can tell things got heated on here but should we really be making fun of people that commit suicide?

Not for nothing, those kids all go to Cornell anyway.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 20, 2006, 11:22:50 am
For the past couple pages, this board has been a vicious game of "Can you top this?" Wow and double wow.
I agree with fisheralum91 that the shots on Utica hurt, despite the fact that a lot of it is true.
Kudos to UCgrad45 for sticking up for his team...

By the way, GB15, not trying to defend clear, but when he says "we", you know he's talking about the team as opposed to himself. I used to play on the Utica College football team, so when I talk about them, I say (for example)... We lost to Ithaca 37-0 in 2005, even though I was not on the team last year.
Ya know what I'm sayin'?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 20, 2006, 11:30:24 am
Budcrew-
Always remember there is no I in team!
 :D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on February 20, 2006, 11:52:19 am
Booyah!!!!!!!!!!

Contrary to popular belief I am not going to rant and rave about Hartwick's loss to Ithaca over the weekend.

Here is a teaser of my post season wrap up:

I am going to rant and rave about the success the Hawks have had this season. Winning 10 games (maybe 11) is a HUGE step forward for the Hartwick Men's Basketball program. I think it is safe to say that the Hawks are one of the most improved D3 teams in the nation. What makes this rapid improvement all the more sweeter is the relative age and experience of the Hawks on the roster. The majority of the roster spots went to freshmen or new transfer students. There is no doubt in my mind that Hartwick's has had the best freshmen in the league this year. This statement is supported by the shear number of rookie of the week canidates that have been awarded to the Hawks. As the pendulum swings back toward the Hawks favor, I expect Hartwick to be a very strong empire 8 power in the coming years.

More later...Expect an elaborate Hartwick post season wrap up by the end of this week.

Ciao for now!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 20, 2006, 12:57:01 pm
Moving on...

anyone have predictions on this weekends E8 tourny, anyone think that Fisher will not win? What does everyone think will happen if Fisher gets upset on friday and saturday?
What are the chances of Fisher getting an at large bid if they do lose a game?

Just wondering what everyone thinks. I think the E8 tourny is a much better topic than recent conversations.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 20, 2006, 01:05:42 pm
What, I think the degragation of Utica and Ithaca is exactly what I like to hear.

But I say that Fisher wins the tourny because Naz is not playing. but if they do lose they will most likely get an atlarge bid because of the expansion in the tourny
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 20, 2006, 01:20:22 pm
I will hope beyond hope that Utica can somehow beat Fisher in Rochester because then two teams from the Empire 8 could get into the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 20, 2006, 01:20:53 pm
Superman-
Me thinks the word is degradation.
Anyway let's poke fun at teams.
I'm a proud Card alum but still the career and the fam are here in Utica.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 20, 2006, 02:16:09 pm
Oh, the classic tactic employed by UCgrad is none other than the famous "when you're wrong, just change and twist the other person's arguments until it makes you right." Good trick, but unfortunately it's not going to work UCgrad. I'm really getting tired of putting you three in the corner for saying stupid things, so hopefully this will the last time:

Clear/UCgrad interpretation of my argument: Utica can't beat Ithaca in Ithaca.
GB15's actual argument: Utica, in the past, has not played well at Ithaca.

Learn the definitions of "have not" and "cannot," guys. There's a pretty implicit difference.

Clear/UC grad interpretation: GB15 thinks Ithaca is great!
GB15's actual argument: Do I even have to say it again or were the previous 50 times enough. Just in case, all I ever said was IC's only goal was to make the E8 tourney and hope to pull an upset or two. Mission accomplished.

GB15 2, Utica kids 0

Clear/UCgrad interpretation: Ray Bryant doesn't show up on the road.
GB15's actual argument: Show me one place where I said that. You'll be looking for awhile. What I did say was that he didn't show up the two times he played Fisher. Truth. Book it.

Clear/UC grad interpretation: GB15 said Utica can't win on the road.
GB15's actual argument: Utica doesn't win big games on the road.

Hmmm, Oswego? Fisher? RIT? Who's right on that one and who's wrong? And does anyone else notice the inherent contradiction in Clear and UCgrad's rationale. First, they say Ithaca sucks or they're mediocre. Then they go on to cite UC's victory at Ithaca as an example of Utica winning a big game on the road. What is it guys? Does Ithaca suck? Are they mediocre? Are they good enough for Utica to call that a "big win" on the road? Pick one and stick with it. You can't just pick the one that's convenient for your argument at the time.

By the way, UCgrad, way to cite suicide of Ivy League students. That's class. I look forward to your next post ripping on cancer patients and people with Alzheimer's.

How is IC going 0-2 in VA an example of faulty logic. Think about this for a second. What, this season, would mean more to an Ithaca? An extra win or two against a cupcake team from the region or going to Virginia to play quality teams with the talent levels of teams they'll have to beat to pull the upsets to get in the NCAA's? In other words, what means more: getting that experience or being 13-11 instead of 12-12? IC isn't getting an at-large anyways so that's the EXACT thing they should have done.

I talked smack about the Ithaca/Utica game?? I posted when Ithaca was up like four points, how is that talking smack? Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story, right Clear?

Regarding the Green Mountain game, if you listened to what both CazBombers and I said, there was no reason Ithaca should have them on the schedule. They're a new program that is doing all it can to get decent-sized programs on it's schedule. They've also played the Plattsburgh's of the world. Also, never did I mention Hobart as one of your "lambs." They're in the top 3 in the LL for god sakes. They're not good, but they're not horrid.

Your comment about Ray Bryant being "by far" the best player on the court the other night is a joke. Two of my buddies said he scored 8 of his points in the last 2 minutes from the line when Ithaca was fouling. Not to be petty, but they said Bellis definitely got the better of him on that night. Surely you two well never admit such blasphemy, but it sounds like it was true. So I'm not sure what game you were watching there.

I will STILL claim Utica can't win on the road in Rochester this weekend (which was my argument the entire year) after they don't win in the E8 tourney. So I was right about that, friend. You guys kept saying "oh, Utica is different this year, they'll get it done in Rochester." Annnnnd you proceeded to lose both games against the two good Rochester teams. Again, who was right about that?

I'm so pumped for next Monday when your season is over and you guys have to eat Crow for what you've been saying all year.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 20, 2006, 02:28:16 pm
Whew,
GB- point, counterpoint.
I felt like I was watching a boxing match, and the other guy had his arms tied behind his back!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 20, 2006, 03:56:02 pm
Fisher guys -- No need to sweat, the Cardinals are one of the virtual locks for a Pool C bid if they don't win the tourney this weekend.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 20, 2006, 03:57:55 pm
Not sure if Utica making the tourny and getting beat in the first round is a great thing for the conference.

I would love to see the Empire 8 send 2 teams, and become a well established power conference, but for now, it is what it is.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 20, 2006, 04:01:41 pm
In all honesty-
I don't see UC losing in the 1st round.
That being said- if UC dosn't win the tourney- hello ECAC's
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 20, 2006, 04:10:33 pm
Back to basketball. One of the things that excites me most is Utica is riding a nice little four game winning streak, which surely means Clear is patting himself on the back more than usual. Here's how I'd break down the two games this weekend.

RIT at Fisher

The Tigers would be much better off playing Utica or Ithaca, and not solely for the obvious reason that those teams aren't Fisher. Unfortunately, as has been mentioned, Fisher loves to play RIT's style of the game and does so better than the Tigers. RIT literally has two choices: play their own style and get beat by a team who plays that same style almost perfectly or do something they're not accustomed to doing, which is always a bad idea at this point in the season.

It's like when I see the Nuggets playing the Suns in the NBA. Denver's style is run-and-gun, but unfortunately for them, that's exactly how Phoenix plays. Also, the Suns do it better than the Nuggets. You can win A LOT of money betting on Phoenix each time those two teams play. Not that I've ever done that or anything.

The way to beat Fisher this year seems to be turning the game into an ugly, knockdown dragout type of game. The first Naz game sounded it like it was sloppy and the Flyers won. Ditto for the second game but there was a different result (it sounded due to the fact that Naz players were missing chippies, but I'm just basing that on what other posters have said). The Fisher/R-MC game also sounded very tight, physical and "ugly" sort of game. RIT will want to use their finesse and outside shooting to win; that's what they excel at. However, if they want to win this one they're going to have to be unconscious from the outside, get good production from Bacon and hope Fisher is off from the perimeter.

My initial line: Fisher -15.5

Ithaca v Utica

Let's just negate the whole Bellis vs Bryant thing for now because those two are likely going to negate each other. The question will be can Ithaca avoid the long draughts that plagued them in the first two meeting between the teams. If they can, they have a good chance at pulling the upset. If not, it will likely be the end of their season.

Bryant will get his, but the key for Ithaca is to contain Lucas and Cichon. Those were the two players that seemed to do them in last Friday night. Basically, I think the game comes down to which trio wins the matchup: Bryant/Cichon/Lucas vs Bellis/Andruskiewicz/whoever is that day's 3rd option.

Early line: Utica -4.5.

Prop Bets

Assuming a Utica/Fisher final, Utica fans wet themselves prior to the game: 6-1

Utica fans make an excuse after losing to Fisher: 7-6

The excuse involves a referee: 1-5

Prior to the game, Utica fans say such obviously made-up things like "I have a friend on Fisher and they fear us the most despite the fact they have beaten us 11 out of the last 12.": 1-100 (not smart to bet against that happening)

Clear and UCgrad dressing like Batman and Robin that just got beat up in the bathroom and were given swirlies: 2-1
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 20, 2006, 04:13:22 pm
GB-
You have me literally laughing in my office!
 :D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on February 20, 2006, 04:33:06 pm
"Oh, the classic tactic employed by UCgrad is none other than the famous "when you're wrong, just change and twist the other person's arguments until it makes you right." "

Hilarious considering your entire post is nothing but your interpretation of what others said, or in other words, doing exactly what you are complaining about.



"Clear/UC grad interpretation: GB15 thinks Ithaca is great!"

To qoute you: Show me where I said that. Dont you ever get sick of being a hypocrite?


"GB15's actual argument: Utica doesn't win big games on the road.

Hmmm, Oswego? Fisher? RIT? Who's right on that one and who's wrong? And does anyone else notice the inherent contradiction in Clear and UCgrad's rationale. First, they say Ithaca sucks or they're mediocre. Then they go on to cite UC's victory at Ithaca as an example of Utica winning a big game on the road. "

Clinching the 2 or 3 seed on the road is a big game, no matter how bad the team you beat really is.

"Are they mediocre? "

Perhaps you missed where I told you they were a decent team.

"By the way, UCgrad, way to cite suicide of Ivy League students. That's class. I look forward to your next post ripping on cancer patients and people with Alzheimer's. "

Must be the "Ghetto" in me. There is a huge difference between saying that you dont see Utica fans saying things like that, which you dont, and actually picking on those who do. Seeing that my life has been affected more than you could ever imagine because of the Suicide of a former Utica College basketball center, I'd say that its safe to say that I most certainly did not poke fun at it. Talk about twisting words.

I also find it funny that you took shots at Utica fans and citizens without even being at the game. You talked garbage about them, when many of the people you talked about are about to be Ithaca college football players.


"How is IC going 0-2 in VA an example of faulty logic. Think about this for a second. What, this season, would mean more to an Ithaca? An extra win or two against a cupcake team from the region or going to Virginia to play quality teams with the talent levels of teams they'll have to beat to pull the upsets to get in the NCAA's? In other words, what means more: getting that experience or being 13-11 instead of 12-12? IC isn't getting an at-large anyways so that's the EXACT thing they should have done. "

Never said they shouldnt. This post had nothing to do with the point I made, and in no way contradicted it. Not really sure why you even included this paragraph.

"Also, never did I mention Hobart as one of your "lambs." "

It was someone else, I apologize.

"Your comment about Ray Bryant being "by far" the best player on the court the other night is a joke. Two of my buddies said he scored 8 of his points in the last 2 minutes from the line when Ithaca was fouling. Not to be petty, but they said Bellis definitely got the better of him on that night. Surely you two well never admit such blasphemy, but it sounds like it was true. So I'm not sure what game you were watching there."


Yeah, scoring less points and not winning was getting the best. Never mind that he was superior in nearly every other category as well. And he did get 8 points from the line there, and went 12 for 12 from the line, but they werent intentional fouls. They fouled him when he burnt them for an easy lay up. I see it is very hard for you to admit that he is the best player in the conference, but heh as been player of the week more than anybody.

"I will STILL claim Utica can't win on the road in Rochester this weekend (which was my argument the entire year) after they don't win in the E8 tourney. "

They just made the team that beat Fisher and nearly did again look like a junior high team. They are playing good ball right now, and Fisher will not have an easy night against RIT like they did against Ithaca in years past. Like the year that Utica was nowhere near as good as they are now and only lost by 3 in the final game. Say what you want, but Fisher players know that Utica can beat them.



Overall, you seem level headed. Until, of course, things dont go your way. Then you talk smack to everyone and try to play the victim while being extremely hypocritical.








 


Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 20, 2006, 04:44:17 pm
Fisher remains at 16th going into the E8 tourney.
Not too bad, just want them to put the hammer down come crunch time!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on February 20, 2006, 05:00:18 pm
Go Ray!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 20, 2006, 05:00:57 pm
I don't think beating Naz and making them look like a junior high team is something to hang your hat on UC Grad. Everyone but Fisher beats up on them.

Seems like Naz can give Fisher a great game but they just can't bring anything close to that intensity vs. any other team.

I'll still be interested to see how this weekend plays out.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on February 20, 2006, 05:01:50 pm
"Clear and UCgrad dressing like Batman and Robin that just got beat up in the bathroom and were given swirlies: 2-1 "

What's funny is that the guy with the cape has been gone for 2 years, but the guy dressed in the team australia rugby outfit, with speedo's and foam finger, along with the guy dressed as Al Capone are still in the Ithaca stands. Although they are there for attention and know little about basketball, I guess that means Ithaca fans are "ghetto".
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on February 20, 2006, 05:09:34 pm
"Clear/UCgrad interpretation of my argument: Utica can't beat Ithaca in Ithaca.
GB15's actual argument: Utica, in the past, has not played well at Ithaca."

Wouldn't want to be one to actually bring up what you said, however:

"not upset about the "drubbing" Ithaca received at Utica. Doesn't that happen every year followed by Ithaca beating Utica in the Bulb? That's pretty much set in stone, isn't it?"

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 20, 2006, 05:21:50 pm
"Fisher players know that Utica can beat them"...UCgrad45

well I suppose that is true since any team that they play could beat them...I personally know some players on the Fisher team and they all feel the same way. Although, they respect every team in the E8, and take all of the teams they play seriously, they all feel that if they play well, no one in the E8 can beat them...I know they take Utica seriously as a possible upset game, but I think they all know that they can/should handle them.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 20, 2006, 05:26:11 pm
Let's just get on with it!

I hope for  UC/SJF final.

Fisher by 5 in that one BTW.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 20, 2006, 05:40:32 pm
I'd obviously love to reply to every retort that comes my way, but unfortunately school is not conducive to that. I've said my piece, the people whose opinions I value know my takes on various subjects. However, I find it necessary to respond when people pretty much change something I say to fit their argument. That's all.

I think you'd have a hard time saying I have a difficult time admitting Ray Bryant is the best player in the conference when I said he'd likely win E8 POY. Did you miss those posts a few pages back? That said, I DON'T think he's the best player in the league. He's right up there, but I'd take O'Brien over any player in this league. I think a lot of posters would.

I am level-headed even when things aren't going my way. Look at the most obvious situation: I could have completely bailed on Tulane and New Orleans after what happened and after the way the administration handled the situation and the students (horribly is a nice word for it). But I'm back. I think that's a better example of how people "handle things" in life than any wins or losses in a D3 game. Even so, Ithaca has been a mediocre, .500 team for the last three seasons. I pretty much knew they were going to be the same coming into this year. It's hard to be upset when your expectations are met. Going into the E8 tourney, I had them being at 14-11 at the beginning of the season. They're going to be 13-12. Not too far off.

Anyways, to move on from this whole ordeal, I agree with the Bird Man; if Fisher plays their game, they'll win this tourney. That's not a shot against any other team, but I think it's been proven that you have to be playing your best to even have a shot at them, and even then it's not a guarantee.

Predictions for tomorrow:

Ithaca 78 Elmira 54 (not gloating, just predicting)

Utica 76 Hartwick 57 (likely no Cocozziello)

Tune-ups.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 21, 2006, 10:25:10 am
Must be the "Ghetto" in me. There is a huge difference between saying that you dont see Utica fans saying things like that, which you dont, and actually picking on those who do. Seeing that my life has been affected more than you could ever imagine because of the Suicide of a former Utica College basketball center, I'd say that its safe to say that I most certainly did not poke fun at it. Talk about twisting words.

UCGrad,
What Utica College player are you talking about? I am pretty in with UC athletics, so I think I would have heard something if it happened recently. If you don't want to post it on here, please PM me... I wondered if I may know the person if it was a recent UC student (within the last 5 years.)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 21, 2006, 11:01:43 am
MadHawk are u going to be there tonight?  Let me know if you will be there.  I will be in the front row cheering on the boys!

  GB says anything and all of his cronies jump on like he is ome sort of geniuos.  It's like a juvenile board where he can fart and all the 3rd graders thinks its really funny.
Get a grip on life brother. 
You are going to be a great lawyer because you twist the facts with your words.

Great job!  By the way it is good to see that you are happy with a middle of the road program.  Atleast you can't be disappointed with mediocrity.  And (MadHawk you'll love this one, did you know that Hartwick's last league win was 2 years ago against yep you guessed it, PATHETIC ITHACA.

And I have some very dear friends from Ithaca and would never be so immature to attack a town.  That is assinine.

And last, yes I think we can beat Fisher and that is the goal.  If we don't do it, it will be a disappointment.  I guess that is the difference between us.  Your program is mediocre and our's is rising far above mediocrity.

Go Pioneers!

And please may we play Ithaca again to beat them silly for the 3rd time.  And by the way dumbass, basketball is a game of runs and that little run you are talking about was the game.  How much basketball have you watched in your lifetime?  RUNS are a big part of the game my man - wake up.

Peace
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 21, 2006, 11:06:30 am
GB says anything and all of his cronies jump on like he is ome sort of geniuos.  It's like a juvenile board where he can fart and all the 3rd graders thinks its really funny.


Come on clear, everybody knows that farts are ALWAYS funny.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on February 21, 2006, 01:13:49 pm
My housemate says they aren't funny when he's eating, but I still seem to laugh each time.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 21, 2006, 02:48:34 pm
ok so to change the pace.  This is my Fisher Index.  I am going to rank every team with what I have seen.  Meaning when they played fisher.  please tear it apart and comment

1)Fisher
2)Naz-Always a close game, if they played every game this way they would be in the E8 tourny and a threat.
3)Alfred-Same as Naz always plays fisher close works hard and is very athletic
4)Ithaca-the next 3 could all be interchangeable all 3 looked similar to each other in there games against fisher
5)Utica
6)RIT
7)Elmira
8)Hartwick
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 21, 2006, 02:53:04 pm
Fisher
Utica
RIT
Ithaca
Hartwick
Naz
Alfred
Elmira

Peace
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 21, 2006, 02:59:51 pm
Fisher
Utica
RIT
Ithaca
Alfred
Naz
Hartwick
Elmira
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 21, 2006, 03:20:39 pm
First off, can I get an interpreter to explain to me what Clear just wrote earlier. Whatever it was, it surely isn't English. Who said I was happy with a "mediocre" program? Do you not see where I imply that Mullins should be fired, oh, every single week? I've said on a number of occasions, considering Ithaca has BY FAR the best athletics program in this conference(when thinking about the difference between UC's and IC's athletic programs think about the difference between ordering a hamburger or a filet in a restaurant) and one of the tops in D3, there is no reason that one of its marquee sports should be this consistently average. Not when so many of its teams are consistently in the top 25 in almost every sport, year-in and year-out, and when its women's counterpart has dominated this conference for so long (by "so long," I mean since I got to school in 2000), with the exception of this season's rebuilding year.

By the way, Clear, way to reference a basketball game that happened over two years ago to support your point. If you beat Ithaca by six points again like you did Friday night, are you gonna claim that you "beat them silly?"

Anyways, as much as I like to destroy Clear, I'm not sure how people can rank RIT ahead of Ithaca considering the Bombers swept them. Ithaca dominated them in The Bulb then used a big second half run to beat the Tigers at Clark. Also, I know Fisher/Naz is a rivalry, but I'm not sure how Superman can rank a team 2nd (as he did with Naz) that got swept by Hartwick of all teams. If anything, doesn't that basically relegate you automatically to the bottom half of the league. I think it stacks up exactly how it finished, 14 games is enough of a sample:

Fisher
Utica
Ithaca
RIT
Alfred
Naz
Hartwick
Elmira
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 21, 2006, 03:33:49 pm
I think Superman was simply ranking teams according to how they played in games he saw, AKA: against Fisher.  So that explains his wacky list.  I agree with you GB15 that it doesn't make sense to rank the teams in any order but how they stack up in the standings after 14 games.  However, just want to clear up something about RIT/Ithaca @ the Bulb.  The final score was very one-sided, but that's because (your friend Caz Bombers cleared this up for me) RIT lost their lead with about 10 minutes left and never scored another field goal.  I think the score of their game @RIT is a much more accurate reflection of how those teams compare.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 21, 2006, 03:56:19 pm
You're probably right. In no way am I saying Ithaca is better than RIT by double-digits. If they played 10 times I bet the difference would probably be single-digits 8 or 9 of those times.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on February 21, 2006, 04:21:26 pm
Despite Ithaca beating RIT twice (nice wins) I think RIT should be a better team. (Do have a better record)  I'm biased and I think they're better.  However, a simple list is no way to rank teams.  I am immature and basically just a little child, so this is how I think the league stacks up...

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: rjcarter8 on February 21, 2006, 05:11:50 pm
I agree with FisherAlum's rankings. Hartwick is definitely worthy of a 7th place ranking, seeing as they beat Elmira both times they played. That being said, the hawks are definitely not to be ranked ahead of Alfred, which beat Hartwick both times this season. Saw IC play and they are about fourth, while Fisher, Utica and RIT should be the top three. As for Alfred and Naz, does it really matter. Yeah Naz beat Fisher, but neither team seemed to play up to their talents this season.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 21, 2006, 05:38:41 pm
If you look at what I wrote before the post it was basing off how the teams played against fisher, which is the only time I have seen all the teams play
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: rjcarter8 on February 21, 2006, 06:12:37 pm
I understand what you were saying superman, I was merely giving my opinion of how others ranked the teams. I certainly didn't mean any ill will toward you.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 21, 2006, 07:04:06 pm
Brilliant ranking system col...simply awesome
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 21, 2006, 10:47:31 pm
[li]Alfred - Swedish Fish: Great candy when fresh, like friday night, but there are too many issues.  Gets stale too easily or will bind together if left above room temperature.[/li]

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SNACK LOOKS LIKE: Red fish bait.
SSI RATING (SNACK SATISFACTION INDEX - 1-10): 7
UPSIDE:
Classic snack. Sweet, chewy, fun to play with while eating (pull 'em, stretch 'em, smoosh 'em). Can be eaten 1 at a time or in multiple stacks on top of each other. The sky's the limit. Can also be used as a car finish (see last 4 ingredients).
DOWNSIDE:
Temporarily stick to your teeth. Jaw is tired when finished with bag (they're a workout).

1ST 4 INGREDIENTS:
Sugar
Corn Syrup
Modified Corn Starch
Artificial Flavors

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Artificial Flavors
Mineral Oil
Carnuba Wax
Colored with FD&C Red #40

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Yellow background, red type, blue splash graphics.

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Yes, but watch out for your fillings.

WHICH SOUTH PARK CHARACTER WOULD LIKE IT BEST?:
Mrs. Cartman. It exercises her jaw. Nuff said.

HOW CAN THE PRODUCT BE IMPROVED:
Any suggestions?______________________________



Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 21, 2006, 11:22:04 pm
New Manufactuer (ie get a new coach) and you should be just fine

and I would say that I like the meat refernce better
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 21, 2006, 11:35:15 pm
the meat reference was very nice, but I kind of like the candy analogy...


Other than that, I checked out the Cortland/Buff state game tonight. I will say C-state is pretty good, but I would be interested to see how they play against a team that is well coached, or a team that shoots the ball well.

Buff State just kept letting Cortland drive and get easy layups, and I don't think I saw them take a 3 pointer until the last 10 minutes.

Would love to see a Fisher/Cortland NCAA game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 22, 2006, 12:13:23 am
MadHawk missed you buddy but you didn't miss much of a game.  Great senior night, we are going to miss those guys.

Have to say that I hope Bryant wins POY, but perhaps Cocozziello is the most valuable player, the Hawks looked really bad without him tonight.

Funny thing occured tonight before the game, Hartwick's coach had a Utica shirt on as he spoke to Coach Goodemote moments before the game.  It was about the last time he laughed all night.

Looking forward to the weekend good luck to all! 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on February 22, 2006, 07:33:20 am
Utica gets it's 20th win for the first time in school history, and Willie Lucas scores his 1,000th career point. Justin Cichon is now just 7 points shy of 1,500.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 22, 2006, 08:55:23 am
Looking at everyone's rankings I can't help but notice that, with some minor variations, the league has looked almost exactly the same for the last 7-8 years.  It really seems to break into four groups.

1. Fisher/RIT: Generally the strongest rosters from 1-12.  Other teams have better players on occassions but never the depth.

2. Utica/IC/Naz:  Each of these teams had a club that was in the top group for at least a year.  But consistently in the middle of the pack.

3. Alfred: Had some great talent about 5 years ago (Downing/Docteur/guy that wore Cow Suit and heckled me) but unnoteworthy since. PS-Cow suit guy actually made me laugh, at myself, during a game.  He was the funniest heckler of all time.

4. Hartwick/Elmira: Sometimes move up to the Alfred group but, generally good for 2 wins for every other conference team.

I know there may be some disagreement on the board.  Perhaps some will think a team or two should be a spot higher or lower.  Aside from that, why does the league always break out this way? Is it recruiting?  coaching? (which I don't think has changed in that time period) or just general dedication to men's hoops in the respective athletic departments?

I have my own theories but I am curious to hear what you guys think first since I generally just follow IC.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 22, 2006, 09:42:19 am
Does anyone know if/where people can listen to the E8 tournament at Fisher?
I don't know if Utica will have their team of play by play guys go, does Fisher have a Web site for a radio station that will have the Ithaca-Utica game on Friday?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 22, 2006, 10:02:06 am
Ithaca knocks off Elmira, 76-59. The Bombers closed the game on a 30-13 run to take it. Believe me, I was worried that it was 46-46 in the 2nd half until I realized the only starter that played regular minutes was Bellis (34 mins). Other than that, the IC starters played 26, 22, 19, and 12, respectively. Those are all below each player's averages. Good to see Dom Scanlon coming on strong over the last two games, as he led the Bombers with 18 and fellow reserve Sean Stahn chipped in 10.

Mullins rested Burton and the starters because they've already locked up the 3-seed and there was no reason to play them. The key to the Utica game will be for IC to get scoring from places it doesn't usually get it (Stahn, Scanlon). If they can, they have a good shot.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 22, 2006, 10:44:48 am
Moving towards Friday's RIT/Fisher matchup, did you know that --

Over the last four seasons, RIT and Fisher have played 12 times (counting this Friday).

In that span, RIT has gone 69-38, but only 2-9 against Fisher (the only other E8 team with more than one win against them during that time is Naz (2) ). 

In that span, Mike McGee has taken approximately seven thousand wide open threes in games against RIT.

OK, obviously that last one is a joke.  But seriously, if RIT is to have any chance in this game someone is going to have to remember that McGee occasionally hits an open jumper.  It's not like he's been one of the best shooters in the league for the last few years or anything.  **sarcasm

Additionally, RIT will have to shoot extremely well (I think they have shot around 12 percent in Fisher's gym in the last few meetings).  Again, exaggeration, but that's what it's felt like. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 22, 2006, 10:58:31 am
Does anyone know if/where people can listen to the E8 tournament at Fisher?
I don't know if Utica will have their team of play by play guys go, does Fisher have a Web site for a radio station that will have the Ithaca-Utica game on Friday?

I know Ithaca's radio station is covering the IC-UC game.  I am sure there will be a link up on bombers.ithaca.edu
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 22, 2006, 11:01:07 am
and wysl.com has the any game that fisher plays hogtied down
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 22, 2006, 01:38:56 pm
So - is it going to be broadcast?

In other develpoments from Utica- IT beat Potsdam- am I living in some weird twilight zone episode?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 22, 2006, 01:46:23 pm
in case any one was wondering they will be clearing the gym in between the tourny's. IE if you pay for the womens game you get two women's games, but not the mens
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 22, 2006, 02:09:36 pm
in case any one was wondering they will be clearing the gym in between the tourny's. IE if you pay for the womens game you get two women's games, but not the mens

My understanding was that the women's semis are Friday night. The men's semis are Saturday afternoon at 12 and 2:20 (approx) with the women's final on Saturday night at 8pm, the gym being cleared between the two sessions. The men's final being Sunday afternoon.

That's what was on the IC website earlier this week.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 22, 2006, 02:15:48 pm
My mistake, apparently the men are playing their semi-finals on Friday and the championship on Saturday night. The women play their semis on Saturday afternoon with the final Sunday afternoon.

I have to think this is a financially motivated move to put the women during the day with the men in prime-time. Not saying I necessarily disagree with it but I would never raise the topic before a feminist.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 22, 2006, 02:17:58 pm
It's all about the money!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 22, 2006, 02:35:28 pm
Women’s Basketball

Friday

No. 4 Ithaca vs. No. 1 Fisher, 1:30 p.m.

No. 3 Utica vs. No. 2 Elmira, 3:30 p.m.

 

Men’s Basketball

Friday

No. 4 R.I.T. vs. No. 1 Fisher, 6:30 p.m.

No. 3 Ithaca vs. No. 2 Utica, 8:30 p.m.

 

Saturday

Women’s Championship – 4 p.m.

Men’s Championship – 7 p.m.

 

 

Admission to each of Friday’s doubleheaders, as well as each championship game, is $5 for adults and $3 for students with valid ID. 

The gym will be cleared after Friday’s 3:30 game and after the women’s championship game and a new ticket must be purchased for the men’s games.

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 22, 2006, 02:48:13 pm
Fisher didn't get the prime time game?
WOW!
That is a big shock to me.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 22, 2006, 03:24:00 pm
To allow time for IC and UC fans to get to Rochester?  Makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on February 22, 2006, 03:33:51 pm
GB, I'm a feminist.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 22, 2006, 03:36:01 pm
Sense for travel- yes.
But I have a bias.
My team won the league, they have home court-
PRIME TIME should be included! ;D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 22, 2006, 04:06:21 pm
Of course you are, Col. Anyone whose favorite game is called "Holey Boards" is obviously a feminist.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 22, 2006, 05:09:58 pm
Superman, are you absolutely sure of that? Ithaca's website has the women playing Saturday afternoon and the men playing Friday night.

The utter clusterf___ that would be the logistics that Friday in Fisher's gym if all four games were there, would be off the charts. Would there be any way to accomodate 8 teams that were coming and going as the day went on? Also, by NCAA rule, I think the host team must allow all visitors (including the ones they aren't playing) to have the opportunity to participate in a shootaround at the venue prior to the game. There's no way that could happen if this is the case.

Also, it would make no sense to schedule games during the day on Friday. First, for some schools it's a midterm week. Second, nobody would go to the games because everyone would be at work or at school. Unless the E8 has absolutely no desire to earn any income off this tournament, I'm pretty sure there's no Friday afternoon games.

See my post about what I think the schedule is.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 22, 2006, 05:35:22 pm
according to the Fisher Website, which probably would be the best one to look at since they are hosting both tournaments, it would be correct that the women's games would be at 1:30 and 3:30 (or 20 min after the Fisher vs Ithaca game ends) and then would clear the gym and the men's games would start at 6:30 with Fisher vs RIT and then 20 min after that ends, Utica vs Ithaca.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 22, 2006, 06:00:49 pm
That is the email that I recived from the Athletic Department
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 22, 2006, 06:03:02 pm
Looking at everyone's rankings I can't help but notice that, with some minor variations, the league has looked almost exactly the same for the last 7-8 years.  It really seems to break into four groups.

3. Alfred: Had some great talent about 5 years ago (Downing/Docteur/guy that wore Cow Suit and heckled me) but unnoteworthy since. PS-Cow suit guy actually made me laugh, at myself, during a game.  He was the funniest heckler of all time.

I know there may be some disagreement on the board.  Perhaps some will think a team or two should be a spot higher or lower.  Aside from that, why does the league always break out this way? Is it recruiting?  coaching? (which I don't think has changed in that time period) or just general dedication to men's hoops in the respective athletic departments?

I have my own theories but I am curious to hear what you guys think first since I generally just follow IC.

The Cow Suit guy is a good friend of AUPepBand....was a reserve running back on the AU football team who teamed with a few other "clowns" as the "Saxon Sillies." He was an education major who now substitute teaches but worked into a decent job with Bose. The Saxon Sillies' purpose was to have fun and to be a distraction to the opponents. Apparently, he had your number, Jose. He used to perform an utterly provocative dance during timeouts. Attended the Cow Suit guy's graduation party and was happy to give him a black and white cow pillow.

I miss those Saxon Sillies!

As for ranking of Alfred....it's been said many times on this board that AU suffers from poor coaching. Recruiting is so-so as well, although AU was fortunate to pick up Q (Alfred State grad who missed the move to greener pastures) and Stein, who was heartily recruited. Seemed this year, coaches were happy with status quo...didn't want to change anything from last year. So, AU didn't have any better results....13-12 in 2004-05, 12-13 in 2005-06.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 22, 2006, 06:31:35 pm
Well, we'll see. I don't see why a conference would place their conference tournament during a schoolday/workday when it could be so easily avoided. Not even mentioning the stupidity of the financial consequences of such a decision, I don't think a conference that preaches "academics first" as much as the E8 does would do that (see not allowing public schools into the conference under any circumstances). I talked to a girl on the IC women's team earlier and she said her understanding is the women's semis were on Saturday. That comment comes less than 48 hours than they would allegedly be on the floor for their game.

I'd understand it more if the games were Saturday/Sunday, but not four games on Friday.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on February 22, 2006, 07:48:29 pm
The mens game will be on wysl 1040am. I would think pregame at 615. If fisher wins final it will be on the net. If you go to Fishers web sit you can click on listen live. They may do the game on sat. even if Fisher isn't playing. Not going Friday night ,but will be there for Sat. match up only if Fisher is in it.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on February 22, 2006, 08:01:20 pm
All games will be broadcasted. If you go to www.empire8.com it gives you everything.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on February 22, 2006, 08:02:24 pm
Also, it would make no sense to schedule games during the day on Friday. First, for some schools it's a midterm week. Second, nobody would go to the games because everyone would be at work or at school.

I'm actually kind of upset that I'm a Fisher student, not only do they schedule the games during when I have classes and work, they are going to charge me $3 for EVERY Fisher game....so that means if Fisher wins both Friday games, I'm going to have to pay $12 to watch both Fisher teams for the weekend.....I realize they need the gate money, but can't we even get a discount rate for the weekend?? Give me a break.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 22, 2006, 09:27:15 pm
Yeah, a pass that would allow you all 6 games for the weekend at a discounted price would be a good idea.

oh well I will probably spend the money to go anyway...although I really think Fisher should be the primetime game...it just makes no sense to do anything different...oh well

GO CARDS
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 22, 2006, 09:29:50 pm
on another note...when was the last time the E8 had 2 teams in the top 5 in the region, and SUNY had only one...I can't think of one.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 22, 2006, 09:58:37 pm
Wow, what a joke this all-day session on Friday thing is. I hope someone in the E8 office or Fisher athletic department gets an earful for this.

It is so unnecessary to play all 4 semi-finals in one day, let alone on a weekday. Sure, it's only the women's game that people are missing, but I honestly think the Fisher/Ithaca women's game will be one of the most competitive and exciting games of the weekend. Unfortunately, Ithaca will have about 25 fans in attendance for that game and they'll all be parents. What a joke.

Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but if Fisher did have some say in when the games were, does anyone else notice that 5 of the 8 teams in the two tournaments played on Tuesday night (Ithaca men & women, Utica men & women, Elmira women) Two of the three teams that didn't play Tuesday and had a chance to rest were the Fisher men and women and the RIT men. That's a pretty quick turn-around that certainly gives an advantage to a well-rested team, two of which happen to be Fisher's teams.

Just from a financial standpoint (little-to-no attendance for the Friday afternoon games) and considering the feasible and, more importantly, better alternatives, I have no clue why or who chose to do this. Stupid idea by all involved. I have half a mind to write Mitrano right now and see who's behind this. In fact, I might.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: AUPepBand on February 22, 2006, 10:17:26 pm
Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but if Fisher did have some say in when the games were, does anyone else notice that 5 of the 8 teams in the two tournaments played on Tuesday night (Ithaca men & women, Utica men & women, Elmira women) Two of the three teams that didn't play Tuesday and had a chance to rest were the Fisher men and women and the RIT men. That's a pretty quick turn-around that certainly gives an advantage to a well-rested team, two of which happen to be Fisher's teams.
I know that basketball is somewhat different than football, but I don't necessarily see much of an advantage in rest time. It was a well rested Fisher football team that got beat up by AU...the Cardinals could have used a week to heal their wounds after that but instead had to tackle RPI. And both the Seahawks and Steelers were "flat" after the week's layoff provided for media hype.
After 25 games with some weeks of Tues.-Fri.-Sat. games, these guys should be ready to go. But of course, AU isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 22, 2006, 10:28:38 pm
Just to clear some things up:

GB15: I think, well I know, you got carried away. There are no economic considerations or conspiracy theories on the tourney dates.

Both tournaments are on Friday/Saturday because the final conference call for the selection committee is at 2 p.m. Sunday.  The E8 elected not to play on Sunday any more so the tournament would be over long before the conference call based on their (pie in the sky) hope of getting a Pool C selection. Pat, correct me if I am wrong, but I remember you being an advocate of leagues not playing title games on selection sunday.  Is that right?

As for the women's early start, that is the only way it works if both tourneys are at the same site.  See Feminists below.

Fish91: Your alma mater didn't lose out on the "prime time spot."  They chose to play in the early game.  The host school picks which slot to play in.  I am assuming they want the extra two hours of rest.  Hard to blame them for that.  Few things are harder than games in back-to-back days.  Any ex-hoop players on this board can back me up on that.

Feminists: Not to worry, no one put the women first and the men last.  The E8 bylaws say that, should one school host both tournaments the women will play first in even numbered years (2006) and the men will play first in odd number years.

I think sometimes this board allows us to get carried away.  Before you know it Fisher is conspiring to rig the E8 tournament (as if they actually needed a conspiracy to win the league) and Mark Robinson is at the NFL combine (I heard one of the geniuses on IC's radio station say that he read that on the board before the Fish-IC game).
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 22, 2006, 10:45:31 pm
Thanks, Jose. I wasn't 100% serious about a conspiracy theory, hence why I qualified it before I started on it. How do you know all this E8 info, Jose? I find myself navigating the website for long periods of time just to locate tiebreakers.

The world, or at least this board, is a better place when there are more Bombers posters.

That's classic how they actually wrote such a rule in the bylaws about which gender gets to play first in what years. Unfortunately, I think such good faith is negated when you think how the women always have to play first in the league. Damnit, having one of the leading advocates in the nation for Title IX as one of my advisors is rubbing off on me too much.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 22, 2006, 10:49:54 pm

I think sometimes this board allows us to get carried away. Before you know it Fisher is conspiring to rig the E8 tournament (as if they actually needed a conspiracy to win the league) and Mark Robinson is at the NFL combine (I heard one of the geniuses on IC's radio station say that he read that on the board before the Fish-IC game).

Of course, that's why we love this board. That Robinson comment is fantastic. To top it, when I was a Junior, there was a rumor circulating that several NFL Scouts were in attendance to see Brian Bicher play. The best part: he was the punter! I later heard he got invited to the combine. Do punters even go to the combine?? If by "combine" people meant "behind the bar at The Bear Lodge," then yes, Bicher went to the combine.

That last comment probably got my ass kicked next time I go to the Bear Lodge. Oh well, it won't be for awhile.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 22, 2006, 11:08:07 pm

I think sometimes this board allows us to get carried away. Before you know it Fisher is conspiring to rig the E8 tournament (as if they actually needed a conspiracy to win the league) and Mark Robinson is at the NFL combine (I heard one of the geniuses on IC's radio station say that he read that on the board before the Fish-IC game).

Of course, that's why we love this board. That Robinson comment is fantastic. To top it, when I was a Junior, there was a rumor circulating that several NFL Scouts were in attendance to see Brian Bicher play. The best part: he was the punter! I later heard he got invited to the combine. Do punters even go to the combine?? If by "combine" people meant "behind the bar at The Bear Lodge," then yes, Bicher went to the combine.

That last comment probably got my ass kicked next time I go to the Bear Lodge. Oh well, it won't be for awhile.

Ironically this one is not so fanciful.  While he didn't go to the combine he did have a private workout with the Giants and, if I am not mistaken, got invited to their camp (possibly two years in a row).

You don't have to worry about getting beat up behind the Bear Lodge, it got shut down.  I noticed at the Fisher game this fall.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 22, 2006, 11:52:17 pm
Good thing the Giants went with Jeff Feagles.

You bring up a true point, Jose. The sportscasters definitely sniff around in here to get some extra news tidbits. I was listening to the first IC/Cortland game and the play-by-play guy returned from a break with "welcome back to the Ben Light Gymnasium or, as I like to call it, 'The Bulb.' "

Well, I nearly had a heart attack for a couple reasons. First off, being the founder of the nickname "The Bulb," I was like a proud papa watching his firstborn go on to fame and riches. Little did I know such ubiquity would come to the nickname "The Bulb," when I created my original posting name, "Not In The Bulb." However, I was a little offended. I did not appreciate this announcer intimating that "The Bulb" was his creation. I took offense when he said "as I like to call it." Considering I had never heard of this kid in my life, and he wasn't within the group of friends that went to IC basketball games, I reasoned he must of read it in here at some point.

I have since been plotting my revenge, searching for the perfect time to fabricate a story in here that will prompt him to recite as his own on the largest possible stage. Well that time has arrived, friends. I am fairly certain he will be calling the IC/Utica game this Friday evening; he tends to be calling the bigger games of late, despite his theivery and overall lack of inciteful diologue on-air.

I need the help of others, though. What is an untrue story that he may read about tomorrow night while he prepares for Friday's game and searches through here. Give me some topics. Here's what I have so far:

-Ray Bryant, when not attending classes or playing basketball, is the city of Utica's most beloved midwife. He recently set a February record by aiding in the birth of over 75 infants. The name of his service is "Ray Ray's BayBay's."
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: John McGraw on February 23, 2006, 12:34:54 am
The SUNYAC runs their mens and women's tournament semifinals on Friday and has for the last few years. The men and women usually alternate between who plays the early games on Friday. This year, the men get the first session at the AUD at 1:00 PM and 3:00 PM. The women play in the evening session at 6:00 PM and 8:00 PM. The title games are broken up the same way on Saturday, with the men first, and then the women.

It makes for a really long day on Friday and for the students, its hard to get to the early games. But, if the tournament was more spread out, would it generate more money and have more fans? I think its more economical to have the tournament all on two days. Say you're playing at a non-campus site. If you add that extra day, you're paying all of the building costs for the third day when there's just one game. Probably the same issues on campus, but not a lot of the extra expenses an off-campus site might have. But, I can see the other side of it in spreading the tournament out so everyone gets a chance to be in the spotlight. Not to mention giving the team's who played earlier in the week a chance to rest.

Thankfully, there's broadcasters that are able to make it to these week day games. That way, those of us who might be at work during the early semifinal can listen on the computer at a low level LOL. Empire 8 men will be triple covered with WYSL, WICB and possibly Sports Stars. Count in the same three hopefully for the women's side.

GB, the initials of this particular announcer....BB perhaps?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Javaman on February 23, 2006, 12:35:03 am
Hey everyone, I'm a Cortland and St. John Fisher fan! Which one do you think could get the #1 seed in the region when seedings come out on Sunday? Also Fisher fans, will you guys go through what you went through last year if you are the #1 seed again, and playing again on the road during the Sweet "16"? I thought that was complete BULL! I'd like to read everyone's responses. Thanks.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 23, 2006, 12:57:41 am
I think that Fisher would get the number 1 seed based on SOS.  On last year, we have to do what we have to do what we have to do.  the students will most likely travel, hopefully it's not that far again
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 23, 2006, 09:38:50 am
Jose-
You are exactly right.
Back to back is tough.
Good call!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 23, 2006, 09:43:50 am
Hey everyone, I'm a Cortland and St. John Fisher fan! Which one do you think could get the #1 seed in the region when seedings come out on Sunday? Also Fisher fans, will you guys go through what you went through last year if you are the #1 seed again, and playing again on the road during the Sweet "16"? I thought that was complete BULL! I'd like to read everyone's responses. Thanks.

I am sure Pat is going to jump in here and keep everyone on the proper page but maybe I can beat him to the punch.  Unlike the D1 Tournament, the D3 Tournament is not seeded per se.  So the actual answer is neither SJF or Cortland will be the #1 seed.  Last year we all understood that Fisher was the equivalent of a 1 seed.  You also have to remember that the site of the Sweet 16 is not determined solely by the highest seed.  The site of the Sweet 16 is the school that is the most centrally located of the remaining four.  The NCAA has an interest in reducing travel expenses for schools with smaller athletic budgets.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 23, 2006, 09:50:37 am
Except for last year, when they had the regionals in Amherst, Mass. Two of the three other teams were from Rochester and the third from Potsdam.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 23, 2006, 10:10:08 am
Good thing the Giants went with Jeff Feagles.

You bring up a true point, Jose. The sportscasters definitely sniff around in here to get some extra news tidbits. I was listening to the first IC/Cortland game and the play-by-play guy returned from a break with "welcome back to the Ben Light Gymnasium or, as I like to call it, 'The Bulb.' "

Well, I nearly had a heart attack for a couple reasons. First off, being the founder of the nickname "The Bulb," I was like a proud papa watching his firstborn go on to fame and riches. Little did I know such ubiquity would come to the nickname "The Bulb," when I created my original posting name, "Not In The Bulb." However, I was a little offended. I did not appreciate this announcer intimating that "The Bulb" was his creation. I took offense when he said "as I like to call it." Considering I had never heard of this kid in my life, and he wasn't within the group of friends that went to IC basketball games, I reasoned he must of read it in here at some point.

I have since been plotting my revenge, searching for the perfect time to fabricate a story in here that will prompt him to recite as his own on the largest possible stage. Well that time has arrived, friends. I am fairly certain he will be calling the IC/Utica game this Friday evening; he tends to be calling the bigger games of late, despite his theivery and overall lack of inciteful diologue on-air.

I need the help of others, though. What is an untrue story that he may read about tomorrow night while he prepares for Friday's game and searches through here. Give me some topics. Here's what I have so far:

-Ray Bryant, when not attending classes or playing basketball, is the city of Utica's most beloved midwife. He recently set a February record by aiding in the birth of over 75 infants. The name of his service is "Ray Ray's BayBay's."

Holy sh!t, I almost spit my soda all over the keyboard at that last part about Ray Bryant. That is extremely funny. :D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Javaman on February 23, 2006, 11:06:53 am
This pretty bold, but I really think Amherst will be in our bracket again.

1. Amherst
2. St. John Fisher
3. Cortland
4. Hamiliton

What does everyone else think?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 23, 2006, 11:19:49 am
I would have to agree with you 100% and if things go the way I think they will and Fisher and Amherst both and the keyword here is both get to the sweet 16, then Amherst would host again b/c of higher ranking, better QOWI, even though from what I heard last year, there gym isn't that much bigger than Fisher's and the parking situation was atrocious.

what does everyone else think

p.s. I know before people start criticizing this message, I know you got to take things one game at a time
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 23, 2006, 11:23:28 am
You are just being confident! ;D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 23, 2006, 11:24:12 am
that is true but with the NCAA tournament weird things do tend to happen
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 23, 2006, 11:26:45 am
I would have to agree with you 100% and if things go the way I think they will and Fisher and Amherst both and the keyword here is both get to the sweet 16, then Amherst would host again b/c of higher ranking, better QOWI, even though from what I heard last year, there gym isn't that much bigger than Fisher's and the parking situation was atrocious.

what does everyone else think

p.s. I know before people start criticizing this message, I know you got to take things one game at a time

If those three teams are the four remaining in the region at the time, I have to think they're not going to send the three NY teams to Amherst again. The NCAA was widely criticized for that last year. That said, not knowing how big Hamilton's gym is, I'd guess they'd put the Sweet 16 at C-State or Hamilton. It would be a joke if they send everyone to Massachusetts again.

I say this as the kid sitting next to me in my class is an Amherst grad and literally just said "it should always be in Amherst if they're playing against NY teams...NY teams suck."
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 23, 2006, 11:30:55 am
Make sure he knows what state Rochester is in.  Maybe he forgot about last season's tourney.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 23, 2006, 11:34:30 am
I think a lot of where the Sweet 16 is depends on who is playing.  I have a hard time seeing it being at Fisher period, but then again you never know.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Javaman on February 23, 2006, 11:38:03 am
I'm a Cortland student and the Cortland gym called "Corey Gymnasium" is huge. Cortland could get lucky and host it, IF they advance.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Javaman on February 23, 2006, 11:47:44 am
I'm in the middle about seeing Amherst "host" the Sweet "16" for the second straight year. I think since they hosted it last year, someone new should host it this year. But I'm sure the NCAA staff doesn't think that way.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: JQV on February 23, 2006, 12:36:48 pm
That said, not knowing how big Hamilton's gym is

Hamilton doesn't have a gym, they have a Field House and it is incredible.  Parkay (that can't be spelled right) floor like the old garden and lots of room for extra seating.  It came down to Hamilton or IC for me when I was a senior in high school and on basketball alone it was Hamilton all the way due in large part to their amazing facilities.  That would be the perfect arena if they can get there.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 23, 2006, 12:45:40 pm
No way it's at Fisher. Way too small of a gym.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 23, 2006, 12:49:04 pm
After watching the regionals in Amherst last year, I'm not sure they could choose a facility with less seating -- even Fisher.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 23, 2006, 01:24:26 pm
Less than Fisher?
Hard to believe!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: col on February 23, 2006, 01:47:18 pm
As a feminist I feel that Amherst was a bit bigger than Fisher, but would still fit inside Cortland St. twice.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 23, 2006, 07:22:37 pm
If the NCAA chooses on size of gym, then it is not even a choice between those 4 schools. Cortland has by far the biggest gym...

having said that I think that no matter what the size of the gym is the team that deserves to play at home, should play at home...for example, last year, what more can Fisher do to get a home sweet 16 game. I understand the gym is small but that is part of the reason they are so good at home.

I think a 27-0 team should really have at least a good shot at a home game. I do understand the ticket income, and size of the gym and all that. Again to reference last year, how could Amherst bring in more people than playing the games at U of R, with Rochester fans, Fisher fans, and probably a healthy group of the other two schools making the trip.

Although, I do live in Cortland, so this year I am all for picking the tourny location based on size of the gym...
 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 23, 2006, 08:01:31 pm
Even then Fisher students are more likely to make the 2 hour drive to CState, then the 5 hour drive to Amherst
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Javaman on February 23, 2006, 09:02:21 pm
Hey you never know, maybe the Committiee will avoid the contraversy like last year and put Amherst in another region. That may be a good thing.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 23, 2006, 09:32:54 pm
I'm gonna post a women's tourney question because I'd like it to be answered before Memorial Day and that wouldn't happen if I posted in that room.

If Fisher doesn't win the E8 Women's Tourney, will they get an at-large bid? Despite going 14-0 in the E8, voters aren't giving them any love. Fisher isn't even receiving votes in the latest poll, while Cortland is. If the Cardinals don't win their tourney this weekend, I think they may get snubbed because of how bad the E8 was this year.

Quickly, my picks for this weekend:

Women

Utica over Elmira- I'm sure both teams have nice players with nice coaches and nice fans. I just couldn't give a rat's ass about this game. My pick is Utica because they were streaking as the season ended and Elmira backed into the tournament, losing 3 of their last 4.

Ithaca over Fisher- My upset special. The Cards better be ready for a war on Friday afternoon. To be honest, I think this will be the most exciting, back-and-forth game of the entire weekend. This rivalry is second to only Naz/Fisher men in the E8. They genuinely don't like each other. The Bombers have nothing to lose and this is the game they were dying to have back. Ithaca handed the Cards the game the last time the two played at Fisher, allowing the Cards to end the game on a 16-0 run over the last 4 minutes, to win by 7. Note to keep in mind: Ithaca has ended Fisher's season for three years straight.

Men

Fisher over RIT. Pretty safe bet. Cards are pretty much untouchable in the E8 save for when they lock up with Naz.

Ithaca over Utica. Great day to be a Bomber. Do I necessarily think this will happen? No. But I've got the winner right the last two times they played and I'll be damned if I pick Utica again.

May everyone play well and the best teams win.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: cuse2003champs on February 23, 2006, 10:48:55 pm
Bring on St. John Fisher...they would finish 5th in NESCAC.  directly from the NESCAC board, only sane reason they could say that is because fisher got shipped out their last year, sounds like a bunch of red sox fans with ben afflacks smarts.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 24, 2006, 01:03:45 am
Fisher didn't help themselves last year, when they proved that 27-0 didn't mean much as Potsdam beat the sh*t out of them in the first round. 

That being said, Amherst didn't exactly put on a great show on their home court either.  Potsdam and UR were obviously the class of that sectional.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 24, 2006, 07:12:55 am
Hey Cuse 2003,
As a Fisher alum and a Red sox fan -go back to your board.

Although I am a huge Cuse fan-
You may get special dispensation if you are civil! ;D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 24, 2006, 10:38:52 am
anyone that will be listening to the Fisher-Ithaca game this afternoon want to give periodic updates. I am at work and don't have access to WYSL1040 online
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 24, 2006, 11:11:01 am
You want updates on the womens game?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 24, 2006, 11:21:40 am
GB15 can't see Ithaca winning, they might of given away the last one but the one at Ithaca was all Fisher.  and if you don't stop Hartmen then you will be going home real fast
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 24, 2006, 11:49:35 am
if possible, this game this afternoon might be a good game. If you don't want to you don't have to
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 24, 2006, 11:51:42 am
I'm gonna post a women's tourney question because I'd like it to be answered before Memorial Day and that wouldn't happen if I posted in that room.

If Fisher doesn't win the E8 Women's Tourney, will they get an at-large bid? Despite going 14-0 in the E8, voters aren't giving them any love. Fisher isn't even receiving votes in the latest poll, while Cortland is. If the Cardinals don't win their tourney this weekend, I think they may get snubbed because of how bad the E8 was this year.

Quickly, my picks for this weekend:

Women

Utica over Elmira- I'm sure both teams have nice players with nice coaches and nice fans. I just couldn't give a rat's ass about this game. My pick is Utica because they were streaking as the season ended and Elmira backed into the tournament, losing 3 of their last 4.

Ithaca over Fisher- My upset special. The Cards better be ready for a war on Friday afternoon. To be honest, I think this will be the most exciting, back-and-forth game of the entire weekend. This rivalry is second to only Naz/Fisher men in the E8. They genuinely don't like each other. The Bombers have nothing to lose and this is the game they were dying to have back. Ithaca handed the Cards the game the last time the two played at Fisher, allowing the Cards to end the game on a 16-0 run over the last 4 minutes, to win by 7. Note to keep in mind: Ithaca has ended Fisher's season for three years straight.

Men

Fisher over RIT. Pretty safe bet. Cards are pretty much untouchable in the E8 save for when they lock up with Naz.

Ithaca over Utica. Great day to be a Bomber. Do I necessarily think this will happen? No. But I've got the winner right the last two times they played and I'll be damned if I pick Utica again.

May everyone play well and the best teams win.

I read this post real quick and thought you said the girls had nice asses.  ;D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 24, 2006, 12:47:46 pm
After taking a look at the latest regional rankings, I think Utica stands a chance at getting an at large bid, if they beat Ithaca, then lose to Fisher.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 24, 2006, 01:05:32 pm
Yes, they have a chance.  But I think it's a long-shot.  Another poster, Hoops Fan, does a nice job of listing all the Pool C contenders here http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4232.msg492870#msg492870, ranked according to QOWI.

There are 18 pool C bids.  If all conference winners are accounted for and there are no upsets (unlikely), Utica ranks 20-ish on the QOWI.  After a few conference tourney upsets they will be even further out.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 01:19:58 pm
You know, at minimum(especially in D3), about 4 or 5 of those teams leading their conference are not going to win their tourney. I think Utica really has to hope SUNYIT and Oswego meet in the SUNYAC finals with SUNYIT winning. That would give their resume a bit of a boost, with their two early-season victories over SUNYIT.

I'd like to see two E8 teams in the tourney, I really would. What I wouldn't like is how nauseating it would be listening to Clear if it really happened. Then again, I suppose it's difficult to "act like you've been there" when...you haven't.

Budcrew, no, I definitely did say anything about the asses of the ladies. However, Fisher used to have some cute girls on their team. That girl Trisha Tofany was a fox, we'd whistle at her each time she ran by us. She was not amused. We were.

Today's first women's semi features the most heavily made-up team(Fisher) against by far the most tan team (Ithaca). It should be a cosmetic battle for the ages. We finally get to see what's better, wearing too much makeup or having orange skin. Should be thrilling.

Fisheralum03, I may give some periodic updates. I have to stay in the library and do some work this afternoon so I'll be listening to the game. If I were still in Rochester, I definitely would have taken the day off and been drunk by now. You all are lucky.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 24, 2006, 01:26:41 pm
Fisher is lucky to have women good looking enough to wear makeup.
Back in my day you were talking bow wow! :o
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 24, 2006, 01:28:50 pm
You know, at minimum(especially in D3), about 4 or 5 of those teams leading their conference are not going to win their tourney. I think Utica really has to hope SUNYIT and Oswego meet in the SUNYAC finals with SUNYIT winning. That would give their resume a bit of a boost, with their two early-season victories over SUNYIT.

I'd like to see two E8 teams in the tourney, I really would. What I wouldn't like is how nauseating it would be listening to Clear if it really happened. Then again, I suppose it's difficult to "act like you've been there" when...you haven't.

Budcrew, no, I definitely did say anything about the asses of the ladies. However, Fisher used to have some cute girls on their team. That girl Trisha Tofany was a fox, we'd whistle at her each time she ran by us. She was not amused. We were.

Today's first women's semi features the most heavily made-up team(Fisher) against by far the most tan team (Ithaca). It should be a cosmetic battle for the ages. We finally get to see what's better, wearing too much makeup or having orange skin. Should be thrilling.

Fisheralum03, I may give some periodic updates. I have to stay in the library and do some work this afternoon so I'll be listening to the game. If I were still in Rochester, I definitely would have taken the day off and been drunk by now. You all are lucky.

thanks GB15. By the way, good luck to your teams today, you're going to need it.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on February 24, 2006, 01:36:08 pm
Being stuck at work, if I could get women's game updates, that would be sweet.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on February 24, 2006, 01:36:45 pm
Fisher is lucky to have women good looking enough to wear makeup.
Back in my day you were talking bow wow! :o

Agreed.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 24, 2006, 01:58:10 pm
trust me - they could kick ass-
I mean literally!
Guys asses!
Saw a dude go down with a single punch!
Now those were tough girls!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 02:01:01 pm
Fisher closes the half on a 7-2 run and leads 37-28 at half. It was tight until the last 3 minutes of the half.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 24, 2006, 02:07:00 pm
Hartman has 14 at the half.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 02:21:38 pm
Bombers down 19 with 16 mins to play. Oh well, time to do work for the rest of the day. I spent approximately 0.000000002 seconds being upset about this game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 02:23:27 pm
Ithaca's allowed to have a down year after losing one of the best players in the country and the best player this conference has ever seen.

I hope Fisher can do something this year because they're so senior-laden. If not this year, probably not again anytime soon.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 24, 2006, 02:24:42 pm
Any news on which looked better- the makeup or the tan?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 24, 2006, 02:47:14 pm
any update on the game. last time we heard it was Fisher up by 19
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: reggieball22 on February 24, 2006, 02:55:04 pm
78-53 Fisher Melissa Hartman 24 points.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 24, 2006, 02:57:48 pm
Nice to see a local girl kick ass!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 24, 2006, 03:12:24 pm
Since this board has gone south fast, I think over all Ithaca's girls looked better, but Fisher has a couple that are best looking.  Other than that, Fisher really controled this game, Ithaca was just staying tight and then Fisher ran away.  Good Job girls lets take it tommorow
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on February 24, 2006, 03:14:28 pm
Since this board has gone south fast, I think over all Ithaca's girls looked better, but Fisher has a couple that are best looking.  Other than that, Fisher really controled this game, Ithaca was just staying tight and then Fisher ran away.  Good Job girls lets take it tommorow

And we all know you'd have zero chance with any of them.....you speed dating superstar.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on February 24, 2006, 03:15:19 pm
But on a lighter note (I couldn't help myself with the previous comment), congrats to the ladies and let's hope the men have the same luck  8)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 24, 2006, 03:19:15 pm
Hey at least I can admit it :)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 24, 2006, 03:27:55 pm
Gone are the old days when the MEN wanted to date the cheerleaders and the womens bball team stayed home alone I guess!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 24, 2006, 03:29:10 pm
First off,
Jukebox, I have never done anything on this board to attack you, so just because I am man enought to put my actual email on this board doesn't mean you should come in and make stupid comments.  I go to all of the games and make comments based on what I see at these games so post about the games and stop taking stupid shots at me, just because I put my email acount up there.  

and fisheralum, have you seen the cheerleaders
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 24, 2006, 03:32:25 pm
Bad?
They were never the knockouts, but I dated a pretty good looking one.
Too bad!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 24, 2006, 04:21:21 pm
Yeah, I deleted that post 5 seconds after I made it when I realized I misread the score. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 24, 2006, 04:25:29 pm
yeah I did too one you realized the mixup. :D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 24, 2006, 04:48:13 pm
shocker from UTICA WAR MEMORIAL AUD. SUNYIT 81 CORTLAND STATE 74
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 04:55:28 pm
Cortland is really limping into the NCAA's. That said, I don't know if there's going to be a total of four SUNYAC and E8 teams in the tourney, but there's going to have to be if Fisher loses. I think this pretty much guarantees Utica needs to win the E8 tourney now. They were probably expecting to do that anyways.

I'll be listening to exactly ZERO of the Bombers/Utica game today. Contrary to Clear saying I don't have a life, our school rented out a bar on a Bourbon tonight and it's the Friday before Mardi Gras. Hmmmm, Empire 8 tournament or get hammered on a balcony watching people show their boobs all night. I think you can guess which this guy is picking (errr, more for the drinking part than the boobs).
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 24, 2006, 04:57:32 pm
If Ithaca had a good coach GB15, i'd probably do a little of both, but since Mullins is horrible in a big game, (I.E. take last year up 7 on Fisher with 10 minutes left and couldn't snap there throats) I would rather get drunk and go to Mardi Gras. Enjoy!! Good luck with Ithaca tonight and getting drunk too.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 24, 2006, 06:07:46 pm
Yep boys we play nobody... a poor schedule.

All I now is we beat SUNYIT 2 times.  The State league sucks this year period and everyone knows it. 
Hopefully the committee will do the right thing and put2 teams from our league in.

We deserve that.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 24, 2006, 06:38:04 pm
any early update on the Fisher RIT game
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: ricco1 on February 24, 2006, 07:11:44 pm
RIT 32 FISHER 29 @half
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 07:17:02 pm
SUNYIT has such an advantage with their coach. It's almost like he's good for additional 5-10 points in big games.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 07:33:22 pm
RIT and Fisher tied with 11 minutes remaining. Sounds like you better be wearing headgear in this one, it's getting physical.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 07:46:20 pm
Fisher opens a 50-42 lead and RIT answers right back with a 7-0 run of their own capped by a 3-pointer from Zeinfeld. SJF leads 50-49 with 7:06 remaining.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: reggieball22 on February 24, 2006, 07:55:36 pm
59-57 3 minutes to play
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 07:57:56 pm
61-57, Fisher, 1:36 on the clock. Cardinals ball.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: reggieball22 on February 24, 2006, 08:01:46 pm
61-60    :31 seconds left Bacon has free throw to tie it..........very interesting McVean calls time out before second free throw to tie the game.....Ices his own shooter
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 08:02:51 pm
61-59, Fisher leads. There is 31.2 seconds remaining, Bacon going to the line.

First one...GOOD, 61-60.

Second one...GOOD, tied at 61.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: reggieball22 on February 24, 2006, 08:03:32 pm
61-61   :23 seconds left Fisher ball come on boys get a stop!!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 08:05:15 pm
This would be the upset of the season in the East Region, especially considering how Fisher owns RIT.

McVean is a great coach. I wish Ithaca's coach was half as good.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: reggieball22 on February 24, 2006, 08:06:53 pm
O'Brien misses potential game winner.....RIT rebound RIT timeout with .5 seconds left looks like were heading for OT. Bad news for Fisher they are in bigtime foul trouble and they cant stop Bacon.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: reggieball22 on February 24, 2006, 08:13:53 pm
63-63 2 minutes left in OT......
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 08:14:12 pm
Bacon gets the hoop and the foul. 4th on McSweeney. Tied at 63-63.

Bacons FT is no good. Still tied.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 08:18:50 pm
McGee, an 80% FT shooter, misses 2 FT's. Tied at 65 with 1 minute.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 08:19:49 pm
Sean O'Brien hits a 19-footer with 1.7 seconds remaining. Fisher leads, 67-65.

Go for the win, McVean. I bet they draw up a play for Snyder or Zeinfeld.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 08:22:09 pm
Springer misses a 3-pointer at the buzzer. Fisher wins in OT, 67-65. What a game.

Hell of an effort from RIT and Fisher battled through.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: the bird man on February 24, 2006, 08:28:52 pm
Wow...what a great game. RIT put a scare into Fisher for sure,
Now lets go IC...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 08:42:23 pm
I'm heading out now, guys. I'm just rooting for a good game tonight and I hope the best team wins.

It seems like people should WANT to play Fisher in the 1st round of the E8 tourney. Ithaca took them to the final minute last season and RIT had them on the ropes in OT.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 08:55:15 pm
One more thing: Ray Bryant is 27 years old?!?!?! Why was this never brought up before? I knew he looked like he was 30 but I didn't really think he was close to that age. If Utica needs an older player a few years from now, I'm available. Just sayin because they have Bryant and used to have Old Man Tim Troy.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 24, 2006, 09:06:08 pm
Hell of a game. I haven't seen a better game in the E8 tourney's history (yes, it's only a few years old).  Thing that impressed me tonight was the Tiger's defense.  There were very, very few easy jumpers on either end.  Tim Bacon was close to unstoppable in the post for the Tigers though.  Might have earned himself All-E8 honors of some sort.

Fisher went up by 8 twice in the second half -- both times it looked like it might be it for the Tigers -- but they roared back.

O'Brien really needed to hit that shot, if he hadn't and RIT had found a way to win he would have been the goat.  He must have had at least 7 or 8 turnovers, getting ripped again and again by Martin and Roy.  Offensive rebounding really saved the Cardinals tonight, as their shooters were not getting good shots. 

Bittersweet feeling, seeing such a good game in which the Tigers go down.  But a fun two hours.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 24, 2006, 09:09:36 pm
One more thing, last season I ripped Fisher's AD on this board.  But tonight I want to commend him, when the game was really intense at the end of regulation and the Fisher student section was getting ready to burst -- he went down there and stood between them and court and calmed things down.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 24, 2006, 09:14:07 pm
GB15 - since you're speaking of him I'll give you a fantastic Ray Bryant tidbit.  With about 2 minutes left in regulation of the RIT/Fisher game, Ray came out and stood at the entrance of the tunnel.  He had a boombox on his shoulder with a long extension cord that ran back out of sight.  I couldn't hear the music, I was on the other side of the court, but he stood there for a few seconds rocking out before heading back.  Just one of those things that cracks you up.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 24, 2006, 09:17:56 pm
Great Game, absolutly great game.  RIT played just about as good as they could, but everybody in the stands knew what that last play was going to be and O'Brien did what he needed to do.  Good Job guys and lets win tommorow
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Javaman on February 24, 2006, 11:07:06 pm
Great Game RIT/Fisher, it's interesting when Fisher can't make their shots from the perimeter. I thought Fisher lacks an inside game. It could cost them later in the NCAA Tournament, just like last year. This was the first time I watched Utica play, fast team. Surprised they lost to Fisher twice. I really think tom. E8 Championship will be a very close game. Fisher better improve their shooting or it could be just like tonight.

Cortland, I can't believe it. SUNYIT is a well improved team, but come on! Down 12 at the half and lose. Certainly doesn't look like a number 1 team in the SUNYAC. I'm not impressed by the way they finsihed the year. Will they get in? I'm not so sure. I'm guessing they get in and host a first round game. It will be interesting IF Cortland plays @ Fisher in the second round.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: notjoshreed on February 24, 2006, 11:59:55 pm
Fisher RIT was a good game but I have a little different perspective on it.  Fisher couldn’t put the game away when it need to.  If they lost I thought a couple things might come back to haunt Fisher and Biegel.  First a slam that he attempted and that went soaring out of bounds and then following up with an inept inbound outlet pass right to a defender 2 feet in front of him that put it in for 2 more.
Also I was driven nuts by O'Brien holding the ball for last shot down to 8 seconds before he made any attempt to head to the basket leaving no options but himself.  Glad to see he redeemed himself in ot.
Towards the end of the second half the bald ref made a bad call on stuff by Bennett that almost turned the tide to RIT.  I have trouble with that ref as invariably his ego gets the best of him and he makes a call most games that make the game about him and not the players.
I was afraid that OT was going to bite Fisher in the ass as they had several players in foul trouble.  McSweeney fouled out and Biegel and McGee had 4 each.  I was worried about a second overtime with Fisher running out of warm bodies.  Kornecker did not go real deep and did not use Smalt at all in the 4rth quarter and did not used Fenyn at all. 

Interested in how bad Utica beat IC. I watched the first half and was impressed on how fast a game it was as both teams were working hard.  Not sure about tomorrow but think Utica would have beat up on Fisher tonight how they were playing.  Perhaps it will be a slower and different game as it must be tough for old man Bryant to play two hard games in back to back nights.  He had a great full court bounce pass on a fast break tonight that was not handled by his teammate but was a thing of beauty anyways.   

Often posters on this board have had Fisher in the upper echelons of the league and all the other teams distantly behind them in second place.  I wish them well tomorrow but I see them as the underdog tomorrow even at home.

Good luck to Fisher tomorrow
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 25, 2006, 12:05:30 am
Geeze, if it wasn't for a few Utica runs.... Ithaca would have won.  NO SHOT BABY.  We drilled them tonight.  But I realize that they are a mediocre team at best anyway.

As for tomorrow this is what everybody wanted, it is clearly the 2 best teams in the league - and it just may be the two best teams in the region.

Should be fun.  All I know is there were alot of Fisher/Rochester people walking out after the game saying that they can't figure out how Fisher beat Utica 2 times this season.  I agree, but the bottom line is they have.

Go Pioneers!  As happy as I would be to win - I have to say the thrill of pounding Ithaca and listening to GB talk about how "I hope it is a good game" blah blah blah ... you down play it but I know you were hoping and expected to be better.  But keep on prefacing everything with the pre-game downplaying quotes.

No matter, we put you out of your misery and we will do you the favor again next year.


Let's go!!!!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on February 25, 2006, 12:06:42 am
I think "old man" Ray Bryant can handle playing back to back games seeing as he has done it successfully the entire season.  Looking forward to the game tomorrow, hoping for a UC victory!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 25, 2006, 05:33:34 am
Number of Hand Grenades Consumed: 5

Number of Breasts Stared At: 60 (approximate)

Amount GB15 truly cares that IC lost tonight: 0

We figured we should let Utica be better than us in one sport, anyways. This guy is real pumped to see Jon Whetstone never play another game in a Bombers uniform. He's worthless. I'll be sad to see Bellis go, it looks like he was the only player who could do anything tonight. Clear, you know it's true, what did I say Ithaca had to do to have a shot in this game? I said they had to stop Cichon and Lucas. Combined points for those two: 39. That was the main difference, among other things.

I really don't understand how people can go to undergrad in this city. It's honestly ridiculous. To give you an idea of how some of the local Uptown bars look at 4:15am, think of APub in Rochester around 11pm when The Taint is playing (I hate those guys). There was a LINE to get into a bar at 4:15am. That's bananas.

Alright, time for bed. Hopefully Utica can hang tough for at least a half tomorrow. I remember last year when everyone was saying "Ithaca took Fisher to the wire, RIT handled Utica, and Fisher will have trouble beating RIT for a fourth time." Then they beat RIT by about 80. I don't want to be bored tomorrow so I honestly hope it's a good game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 25, 2006, 07:36:32 am
good morning everybody!!, well we are here, Championship Saturday and the 2 best teams in the conference made it. Well, not without a few dramatic moments last night from Manning & Napier Varsity Gym on Bobby Wanzer Court between Fisher and RIT. What a great game that was. I have to give RIT all the credit in the world. They played the perfect game to beat Fisher. They slowed it down, penetrated and they were hitting there outside shots the majority of the night.  I feel RIT did get shafted at the end of regulation. They should have had 1.1 sec on the clock instead of .5 I thought that shot was going in. The OT was great. Who else would you rather have the ball in his hand with the game on the line than Sean O'Brien. That shot he made was perfect. I thought the clock ran a little slow at the end though. There was 1.7 sec left when RIT called Timeout. Drew Martin threw a baseball pass to half court, can't remember who passed it to Springer (possibly Bacon)(only guessing), then he dribbled and then shot the ball. I had no idea you could do all that in 1.7 sec and still get the ball off on time. Luckily for Fisher, the shot missed and they got out with the win. As it relates to Utica and Ithaca. I expectedly UC to dominate IC I knew IC would make a run but UC was that much better. Now Tonight, Fisher and Utica. This came could be as good as a couple of years ago when Fisher held on for a 62-59 win. A game that low tonight would benefit UC over Fisher though. I expect tonights game to be in the 70's Good luck to both teams.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 25, 2006, 08:35:51 am
 :P
Is there any gas left in the Fisher tank?
Anybody there that saw the game think fatigue may be a factor in the game tonight?
Go Fisher!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 25, 2006, 08:50:20 am
that is a great question. I feel fatigue may be a concern but at this time of year what team isn't a little fatigued. This is where all the conditioning drills in practice pays off.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 25, 2006, 09:44:22 am
The two games last night were polar opposites.

RIT/Fisher was one of the best games I've seen in the past couple years. RIT did everything right to make that a close game, slowing the game down and getting good shots. They played very good defense, but I thought the possessions they went 1-3-1 killed them because they gave up better shots and rebounding opportunties when they were in that defense. O'Brien hit a really tough shot at the end to put Fisher over the top, but RIT had two good looks at the end that could have gone down (Snyder's 3 before the O'Brien shot and Springer's at the buzzer). I think that drops RIT to 14-12 so it will be interesting to see if they make ECAC's.

The second game was just aweful. One of the most boring games I've seen, but that probably was influenced by the fact that the first game was so good and the crowd for the second game was about 1/100th the size of the first game.
It was evident that UC was the more talented team, but good lord, Mullins makes it even more evident. IC can't rebound and Mullins kept his best rebounder, the freshman Bostic, on the bench for exteneded streches. Burton is the only other freshman that should have seen any time, I've seen IC a couple of times now and their other freshman suck, although Mullins insists on playing them in key stretches. It also doesn't help that Andreskawhatever can only play about 4 minutes before he looks like he will pass out. If you are a starter on any college team, you need to be in better shape than that.

Just a couple observations on the second game:

- This was the first time I've seen Ray Bryant - I wasn't impressed. Cichon was the best player on the floor tonight and Bellis was the second best. After that, I would take Lucas and then Bryant. Maybe he knows, just as Col does, that he is already the MVP so he thought he could mail it in.
- I've never seen a player pick up as many stupid fouls as Whetstone from IC. He had 3 fouls in the first half and every one was stupid and could have been avoided. He has been doing this since his freshman year and has never learned.
- Daley and Murphy are bad coaches, but Mullins isn't that far behind, he's terrible. A couple friends of mine insist that McVean is a bad coach. He may have some strange substituion patterns, but I'll take him over the 3 just mentioned any day.
- Clear, I hope you were not part of the 2-3 man cheering section in the second level. If you were, I can't say I'm suprised, but if you drove 3 hours to do that, I feel sorry for you.


Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on February 25, 2006, 10:31:55 am
Beigel may have the most invisible 10 points, 7 boards (his season averages) in the entire E8. He's really not good at all. Luckily, he's only a sophomore....I liken him to Terrence Roberts....maybe when he decides to actually play he might be good. I'm not going to rip on the missed dunk any more than just saying that was the first time I've ever seen him TRY to dunk....and he picked the wrong time to do it. Leave the dunking to McSweeney, buddy.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 25, 2006, 10:46:03 am
In other news, York won the CUNYAC according to the front page of D3hoops today, so Pool C is that much more crowded. York? Are you serious? I saw them play RIT this year and they are just horrible. No discipline and just not a good team.

Tim Bacon, 23 pts and 8 boards for RIT last night, by far his best game of the year, especially against the size of Fisher inside.

NotJoshReed, you mentioned a call on Bennett in the second half that wasn't a foul, that may be the case, but there were at least 2 other times when Snyder got raped down low by Bennett or others and there was no call, so I guess it balances out. RIT was aggressive last night and forced the refs to blow the whistle. I don't know the official numbers, but I think the fouls were probably about even.

That being said, Kojak is one of the worst officials around. He seems to ref every big game, but he is just terrible.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 25, 2006, 11:19:01 am
Another interesting series last night, one that showed me something about McVean I hadn't seen before.  With about 4 minutes left in regulation there's a scramble that ends with McSweeney throwing the ball down with 2 hands.  The crowd erupts and obviously a huge emotional lift for Fisher (now up 4).  McVean calls timeout.

The play he calls out of timeout is a backdoor cut from Rob Hampton (leaper), with Tyler Springer throwing him an oop.  The pass is just a little too far away from the basket but Hampton grabbed it anyway and nearly threw it down, getting fouled in the process.  In a game this intense, McVean wanted his team to answer with a huge play of their own.   


The refereeing was less than perfect, notjoshreed, but you conveniently forgot to mention a crazy sequence at the end of the second half.  Fisher has the ball, up 4, with a minute and a half left.  O'Brien crosses the center line and RIT rushes into a half-court trap.  After a couple passes and some bad dribbling, O'Brien is trapped in the corner by Martin and Roy.  He calls timeout.

The shot-clock resets.  Oops.  There was 20 seconds remaining on it.  The refs don't notice until a fan screams at them.  They give Fisher five extra seconds (25) -- with a minute and a half it's a big deal, especially with the way the first half ended.  I'm sure the refs weren't trying to screw RIT over (they had no idea how much time was left on the shot clock) -- but just an awful, awful job by the scorer's table. 

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 25, 2006, 11:22:36 am
I have to agree, there were bad calls against both teams.  The bald one was a moron and was making calls that he had no view on, but Fisher won, in probably one of the better games I've seen, SO I tip my hat to RIT and say to Utica lets hope tonights  game is as enjoyable as last nights game.  By the way anyone know the attendance for that game.  It was just about filled

BAMM, they were screwing up all night to both teams, several times they gave RIT fisher's points and then finally moved it back
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 25, 2006, 11:29:33 am
Fisher guys -- yeah, not trying to take anything away from Fisher.  They pulled one out against a team that was giving them all they could handle.  Superman, I noticed the incorrect scores all night too.  Maybe the scorer's table couldn't handle the pressure of the situation   ;D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 25, 2006, 11:36:28 am
I also think that they had been doing it all day too. So I think that you were seeing some exhaustion, that is not a fun job
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: jbl2006 on February 25, 2006, 12:38:54 pm
clearconceit, utica is not a better team than Cortland or Oswego State for that matter. St Johns Fisher yes, but not Cstate or O-state, as witnessed by O-states MANHANDLING OF THEM IN THERE HEAD TO HEAD MATCH-UP.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: jbl2006 on February 25, 2006, 12:40:00 pm
clearconceit, utica is not a better team than Cortland or Oswego State for that matter. St Johns Fisher yes, but not Cstate or O-state, as witnessed by O-states MANHANDLING OF THEM IN THEIR HEAD TO HEAD MATCH-UP.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 25, 2006, 01:26:40 pm
Wait a minute, Utica isn't better than Cortland or Oswego, but they are better than Fisher, who has already beaten them twice?

Not the soundest logic I've come across.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 25, 2006, 01:32:54 pm
TF2, I think he was saying Fisher is better than C-State or O-State.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: reggieball22 on February 25, 2006, 02:13:02 pm
If that is what he is saying then he is still an idiot because he says SJF yes, but not C-state or O-state.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: notjoshreed on February 25, 2006, 03:43:50 pm


That being said, Kojak is one of the worst officials around. He seems to ref every big game, but he is just terrible.
Quote

Hey tiger fan thanks for the name I didnt know him as Kojak but it works.  Over all there were bad calls on both side.  My displeasure Is more with Kojak and last night wasn't as bad as normal.  My problem with him is he interjects himself in most games with a really bad call that often has the potential to change the outcome of the game.  He does this consistantly and he does get many of the top games.
Bamm you are right about the reset. Of the clock.  It was at 20 seconds.  I am surprised between 3 refs and a scorng table they couldnt get that right.
 I meant my comment about old man Bryant in jest, but actually it seemed like it could have applied to O'Brien.  I hope he got a good night rest as fisher needs him tonight
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 25, 2006, 05:53:53 pm
The First Fisher ticket to the dance is punched as the women massacare Elmira 87-57.  Ending with PK getting a bath from the water bottles.  Hartmen was huge with 23 and 11 and Baum with 16.  the game was never close
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 25, 2006, 05:59:01 pm
Sorry to upset Suny people but this year the E-8 has the better teams and I believe Utica is better than both of these teams.

Time will tell.

Peace
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 25, 2006, 07:17:33 pm
Fisher out to a 20-7 lead with 12 minutes left in the first half. You have to hand it to Fisher how they just come out and pummel teams that seem to be their closest challenger. Last year it was RIT and this year Utica. I'm out for a bit, hopefully the game gets a bit closer.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: thebear on February 25, 2006, 07:21:22 pm
Unfortunately facts would suggest otherwise.

Feb 7, 2006

@ Oswego

Oswego 63 Utica 49


Had Utica won that game, they would have still been in strong contention for a pool C bid.  With Oswego's record, that was a 13, possibly 15 point win, and Utica knew it.

Oswego's two losses since then were to the 5 & 6 seeds in the SUNYAC.

I like Utica, they have good players and a great coach, but they would be 10-6 or so playing in the SUNYAC.


Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Javaman on February 25, 2006, 07:42:13 pm
Fisher is winning 35-25 at halftime against Utica. Fisher is playing well.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on February 25, 2006, 08:50:19 pm
Hartwick
Empire 8
Champions!!!!!






---------------
Post-Season Wrap Up will follow within the 72 hours
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: hawks1323 on February 25, 2006, 09:03:41 pm
Sorry for the large type. I am growing blind and Dislexsic in old age.

Fisher
Empire 8
Champions!!!!!!!

Pat Coleman, please delete my previous post as I accidentally hit the post button. Thanks!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 25, 2006, 09:06:05 pm
Game was never with in less than 8, Props to Utica for not folding and keeping it some what tight,  But you can't win if you don't hit your shots.  Refs were whistle happy and Fisher was in some serious foul trouble.  There was also a small group of annoying Utica students that had inapropiate signs, so they got taken away, they then went and started complaing that Fisher had their senior poster hanging on the wall.  The poster than got taken down.  Fisher is going back to the dance
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: jbl2006 on February 25, 2006, 10:10:18 pm
This is in response to (Tigerfan2 and Reggieball22) below you will see the statement that i was replying to.  This gentlemen was expressing his opinion that he thought Fisher and Utica were the best two teams in the region, and i replied by stating that i thought Oswego State and Cortland state were both better than Utica, but not Fisher. Now if that makes me an idiot (Oswego did beat up on Utica) and Cortland was the ranked #2 in the region until this past weekend) then so be it. It's not like my statements are off the wall or anything. But i explained below, hope you can understand now. 

(clearconceit, utica is not a better team than Cortland or Oswego State for that matter. St Johns Fisher yes, (AS IN YES THEY ARE BETTER) but not Cstate or O-state(AS IN NOT BETTER THAN C-STATE OR O-STATE), as witnessed by O-states MANHANDLING OF THEM IN THEIR HEAD TO HEAD MATCH-UP.


(As for tomorrow this is what everybody wanted, it is clearly the 2 best teams in the league - and it just may be the two best teams in the region)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 25, 2006, 10:26:06 pm
Congrats to Fisher. To put it simply,they were the class of the league all season long. There was never a question.

Congrats to Utica, as well. No shame in being second best to one of the top teams in the region. The Pioneers will likely be one of the top two seeds in the ECAC's. It'd be nice if an E8 team could win it.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: notjoshreed on February 25, 2006, 10:54:49 pm
Wow, Fisher played well after jumping to great start with two threes each by  bennett and mcgee and one by biegel to start the game.  A very well played game tonight with an awesome performance again by bennet on cichon.  Tonight he should have charged admission for his course on how to play defense and to avoid screens, while having a great offensive night. 
Great effort by everyone. Fisher was ready to play and time after time they got on the floor and won lose balls.  Mcgee in a great hustle play came up with one even though the utica defender was faster.  Speaking of McGee what a pure shooter he is  His shooting is a shot in the arm and helps distant Fisher from other teams.  Smalt came up with two or three lose balls while falling to the floor but getting rid of the ball to a teammate before travilling and or hitting the ground.
Great job again by O'Brien, who elses' hands would you rather have the ball in.  Kornecker did a nice job tonight going deeper into his bench for another big man Adrien Fenyn who gave some quality minutes.  This was so important as Fisher had several players with 3 and 4 fouls.
So any idea where the fisher will play.  Also any reason why the Fisher girls were never ranked in the top 25 this year?  Thay have had an awesome year and had a great win today
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Javaman on February 25, 2006, 11:01:56 pm
Okay, everyone. Now we have to sit and wait till the seedings come out. I have no clue who will be in Fishers bracket. Any ideas anyone. About Cortland, I wouldn't be shocked if they had to play on the road the 1st round, but I really think they will still "host" the 1st round. Also, I really hope Amherst is not in Fishers bracket this year, if so, then the Sweet "16" will be back at Amherst again.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 26, 2006, 12:33:39 am
Also any reason why the Fisher girls were never ranked in the top 25 this year? Thay have had an awesome year and had a great win today


Because the E8 was garbage this year on the women's side. Fisher looked average at best when it played outside the conference. Many people look at them as the second best team in Rochester and that was only affirmed when UR handled them in the Chase final. I think it's fairly likely that we'll see a Cortland/Fisher game on the women's side, too. C-State lost in the final today but should get a Pool C considering they're 23-4 on the season.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: reggieball22 on February 26, 2006, 03:18:09 am
Neither one of us had a problem with your post, it was your hideous grammer that we were dissing.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: jbl2006 on February 26, 2006, 08:18:04 am
Oh i'm sorry about my grammer, by the way is "dissing" a word?  I think not Merriam.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 26, 2006, 09:07:46 am
Congrats to Fisher. To put it simply,they were the class of the league all season long. There was never a question.

Congrats to Utica, as well. No shame in being second best to one of the top teams in the region. The Pioneers will likely be one of the top two seeds in the ECAC's. It'd be nice if an E8 team could win it.

On behalf of all the Utica posters on this board, thanks for the congratulations. Just like in D1, somebody's gotta be the team that's on the outside looking in. All we hd to do was beat Fisher, and we had three opportunites this season and could not get it done. i hope our record and qowi can get  us an at-large bid into the NCAA's, but if not, the ecac's are nothing to sniff at.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 26, 2006, 09:58:03 am
Budcrew,
Congrats on a good season-and yes the ecac's are nothing to sneeze at!
Clear- You did have 3 shots to beat Fisher and didn't get it done.  Smack talk aside- UC's only real chance to beat Fisher was the 1st game.
Good luck UC in the ecac's and congrats on a really good season. 

Now on to Fisher-Great E8 title, now to make it a great season-string at least 2 more wins together to make the title worthwhile!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 26, 2006, 10:21:40 am
The difference in the game last night was the start (i.e. the first 5 minutes.) Fisher started with a 12-1 run and ended at 16-4 when Mike Mcgee (seriously, I have not seen anyone with a better shot. He makes it look so effortless) hit a 3 and was fouled. Fisher came out like a rocket with 2 three's from Nick Bennett, 2 from Mike McGee and one from Justin Beigel. (I did not know he could shoot three's) Hey everything was going in for Fisher. I give Utica credit for not quitting. That game could have been over by the half. It was 35-25 but could have easily been 45-25 or worse. The closest Utica got was 7. If you broke the 2nd half into 4 min segments, Utica would get it to 8 but Fisher would respond, Utica got it to 7 but then Fisher gets it to 14 and the game was over. Congrats to Fisher on a 4th count 'em 4th straight E8 title. Good luck in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 26, 2006, 10:26:34 am
Definitely a downer.  But 3 strikes and you're out.  I think we belong in the tournament but I am not holding my breath on that one.  the ECAC's are an honor but honestly with the team we have and the experience I am not sure some of the guy will be pumped up to play.
I have always felt that the ECAC is like the NIT; great for an up and coming program but not such a thrill for a program that is geared up for the NCAA tournament.

Make no mistake about it, the Utica program is beyond the rising phase.  And hopefully the players feel taht way too!

Fingers are crossed.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 26, 2006, 11:24:15 am
Clear and all of utica, I have to say I think we are all hoping that Utica gets an at-large bid.  but with the recent upsets, Unfortunatly the E8 equals out to the MAAC once again
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 26, 2006, 11:30:54 am
Hey now, don't go knocking the MAAC. If Iona makes it, they could pull an upset. Don't forget what Manhattan did a few years ago.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on February 26, 2006, 12:34:13 pm
Utica has a slim chance at getting an at large bid. The NYU last night helped a little. If the East Region gets another at large bid after Cortland, Utica would be first in line to get it. All of the predictions that I have seen have Utica being one of the first 3 teams just outside of the tournament. It sucks getting so close and likely getting locked out.

If you break it down, 50% of our losses are to one team, who is number 1 in the region. Only lost to four teams all year, and one of them we beat the second time around. Finished the season winning 6 out of 7. 21-6 with a 20-6 regional record, and likely being ranked third in the region. But because SUNY Tech, who we beat twice, knocked out Cortland, we suffer. Cortland wins that Conference tournament, and Utica is pretty much a lock.

Utica could get the 1 seed in the ECAC if they dont get in the NCAA. If that happens, they wouldnt be able to host because the Heart Run and Walk is on campus this week.

Congratulations to Fisher, they are the best team in the region and they earned this bid.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on February 26, 2006, 12:40:08 pm
Unfortunately facts would suggest otherwise.

Feb 7, 2006

@ Oswego

Oswego 63 Utica 49


Had Utica won that game, they would have still been in strong contention for a pool C bid.  With Oswego's record, that was a 13, possibly 15 point win, and Utica knew it.

Oswego's two losses since then were to the 5 & 6 seeds in the SUNYAC.

I like Utica, they have good players and a great coach, but they would be 10-6 or so playing in the SUNYAC.





One bad night for Utica is not good enough to base that judgment on. Especially since Utica fouled nearly every possesion for the last 5 minutes, making what would have been a 7 or 8 point game look worse than it was.

SUNY tech beat Cortland, Utica beat suny twice. Suny also split with Oswego.

Had Cortland been in the E8, they likely would have lost twice to Fisher and Split with Utica and had to play Utica again in the tournament. They may have had a very hard time with a RIT or Ithaca as well.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: jbl2006 on February 26, 2006, 01:10:04 pm
Good points, i only got see Utica agaisnt Oswego, And Cortland swept Ithaca this season, but both games were tight until the end.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: reggieball22 on February 26, 2006, 04:00:47 pm
Oh i'm sorry about my grammer, by the way is "dissing" a word? I think not Merriam.

Yes. straight from Websters Free online dictionary.....

dis  (ds)
tr.v. dissed, diss·ing, diss·es Informal
To show disrespect to, often by insult or criticism: "[The network] is often dissed for going after older, less demographically desirable viewers" Michael McWilliams.


Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Javaman on February 26, 2006, 05:26:36 pm
Here is the staffs predictions of the East Bracket:

1. St. John Fisher
2. Cortland State
3. Baldwin-Wallace
4. Trinity (Conn.)
5. Hamilton
6. Norwich
7. Plattsburgh State
8. Endicott

I'm shocked they have Cortland #2 and why is Hamilton #5? It's interesting that there are northeastern teams in there as well. Tough Bracket, in my opnion. Who will get to "host" sweet 16? Cortland, IF they advance?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 26, 2006, 06:02:38 pm
They could give it to Fisher, because Amherst was a lot smaller than fisher
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Javaman on February 26, 2006, 06:06:11 pm
Superman, that would be awesome!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 26, 2006, 06:20:32 pm
The only thing I could see there is B-W calling foul because they own a win over fisher
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 26, 2006, 06:41:05 pm
Superman --  it is absolutely not "a lot smaller" than Fisher.  While it is small, for it to be "a lot smaller" than Fisher would mean the bench players would have to sit outside.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 26, 2006, 08:39:32 pm
Sorry, BAMM I was overestemating a little bit, but looking at the capacity of their gym it say 1800 and fisher is like 1100.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Javaman on February 26, 2006, 10:31:31 pm
When are the selections coming out? It's 10:30!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 26, 2006, 10:33:15 pm
Clear and UCgrad, what's gonna kill Utica is: 1) The loss at RIT, and 2) The fact they went 1-3 against NCAA teams. While the losses were only to one team, Utica's "body of work" is lacking that "statement win," if you will. I'd love to see two E8 teams but I think the chances are slim to none and I just saw Slim get on the last train out of town.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Javaman on February 26, 2006, 10:42:08 pm
Well.... Fisher, Cortland, Plattsburgh, Hamilton are in. It'll be interesting to see who the rest of the teams will be. Pat Colemans predictions of the northeastern teams getting in our bracket weren't. What does everyone else think???? Still too early to tell, I think.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Javaman on February 26, 2006, 10:47:12 pm
My mistake, Utica also made the NCAA Tournament! Congrats to all the Utica Fans! I didn't think they were going to get in. Wow!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: UCgrad45 on February 26, 2006, 10:48:10 pm
WE ARE IN!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 26, 2006, 10:50:18 pm
Congrats to Utica. Like I've always said, my first allegiance is to my team and the second is to the conference. Now go and make the conference proud and don't f@ck this up!!  :D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Javaman on February 26, 2006, 10:55:56 pm
Okay Utica Fans, what did the NCAA committiee see that allowed your team to get into the Tournament? Just curious. 21-6 come on, they couldn't overlook that, could they?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 26, 2006, 11:22:03 pm
YA UTICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Let's make it a 4th game guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 26, 2006, 11:38:31 pm
Anyone have any thoughts on who Fisher and/or Utica will meet up with in the 1st round?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 26, 2006, 11:45:06 pm
what's the possibility that they play each other in the first round
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Jukebox Hero on February 26, 2006, 11:56:42 pm
what's the possibility that they play each other in the first round


There's a greater chance that it's gonna be 75 degrees and sunny tomorrow in Rochester.

I just read on the tourney board that they don't match two teams from the same conference unless geography is a factor.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 27, 2006, 12:30:33 am
Juke box have you not been in the 585 this year,  it's 60 one day and -10 the next
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: starstar on February 27, 2006, 12:37:23 am
Where and who are Utica and Fisher playing? predictions...
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 27, 2006, 12:38:18 am
Congrats to ClearConceit, BudCrew08, UCGrad45, LilEyes and all the other Utica fans.  I was holding out hope the committee would be as charitable to the East region as it has been in years past and it was so.

Go Cards and Pioneers, do the E8 proud!!  Also want to wish good luck to Plattsburgh, Hamilton and Cort...Cortl....Cortland, gaaah that was hard for me to say.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 27, 2006, 12:46:13 am
I'm gonna go ahead and say that SJF will play one of the New England teams, perhaps Elms, Tufts, UMass-Boston.

I think Utica will play Cortland and Plattsburgh will face Hamilton.  I base these predictions on just about absolutely nothing, just a hunch.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 27, 2006, 01:06:52 am
I think Cortland would be a tough matchup for Utica. Cortland tries to play an "ugly" halfcourt game. I'd love to see Plattsburgh/Utica; two teams that want to run-and-gun.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 27, 2006, 07:22:41 am
WOW!
Congrats to UC!
Now do some damage now that you got there!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: thebear on February 27, 2006, 07:42:15 am
ECAC's

Manual says 500 or better. overall or divisional

Committee is chaired by Mike Lindberg at Ithaca

Committee includes reps from Fisher (NCAA team), Keuka (likely #1 seed) Rochester (likely team), Fredonia (SUNY rep) & Union (likely team LL rep)

Quick pass would suggest:

Keuka
Oswego
Union
Rochester
Potsdam
Brockport
Ithaca
SUNYIT

Criteria:

Quote
1. Divisional winning percentage, head–to-head results, results against common opponents;
2. Strength-of-schedule to be determined in part by results against teams selected into the
NCAA or already in the tournament; and
3. Regular season conference standings.
Note: The committee must review all criteria above in the order listed. A team may have an
excellent winning percentage; however the strength of schedule and results against teams in the
tournament also must be examined.

Others in the mix:
Alfred (divisional > .500)
RIT
SLU
Buffalo St
Hobart
Vassar (overall >.500)

Will know later today
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: OneontaBoy1323 on February 27, 2006, 08:21:15 am
I have been a law abiding citizen of Oneonta, NY for at least five years now. In the past 3 years I have gotten hooked onto Hartwick Basketball and some other selected athletics at Hartwick. I know Hartwick has had their fair share of struggles athleticlly. However, this year I can sense the beginning of a renaissance. Hartwick is very lucky to have Paul Culpo as Head Basketball Coach. He has brought a wealth of basketball knowledge to Hartwick over the past 3 years. Perhaps his greatest strength is recruiting. When he arrived at Hartwick he was forced to find his basketball team out of the study body. Over the past two years he has brought in a lot of kids who have promise. This years recruiting class was Coach Culpo's best by far. When I look at the shear number of rookie of the week candidates on the roster, it only confirms Coach Culpo's recruting success.

This past season has been very exciting to watch and be apart of. Going from 2 wins to 10 wins with a team of mostly freshmen and new transfers is big step forward. I am really looking forward to next season, especially seeing that some Empire 8 basketball teams will be hit hard by graduation. Hartwick Basketball is on the right path back to excellence.

Lastly, if Jan COCOZZIELLO doesn't win freshmen of the year. It will be a crime. Lord willing, I expect to see him back in blue and white next season

Congratulations to Fisher and Utica on making the NCAA tourney.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 27, 2006, 08:29:39 am
OK,
Is anyone else goin to touch this one-
5 years?
 :D
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 27, 2006, 08:56:01 am
Here's what the Bracket looks like to me:

1 -  Amherst
2 -  Fisher
3 - WPI
4 - Cortland
5 - Tufts
6 - Gordon
7 - Norwich
8 - Hamiton
9 - Plattsburgh
10 - Elms
11 - Utica
12 - Endicott
13 - Mass-Boston
14 - Bridgewater St

Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 27, 2006, 09:01:00 am
I may be dense- How does that bracked read then-
Fisher gets the Norwich/Elms winner at Norwich?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 27, 2006, 09:02:34 am
No, I'm sure the Norwich/Elms winner will be traveling to Rochester.  Norwich just gets the home game in the first round.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 27, 2006, 09:04:50 am
I also think Fisher/Cortland/Hamilton should be very happy with this bracket.  There is no one in this bracket that is scary, including Amherst. 
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 27, 2006, 09:21:31 am
after first looking at the Amherst bracket. there is no scary pick here. I think Fisher getting a bye in the first round was a huge shock to me. They should get a home game too. There very easily could be a 4th match up between Fisher and Utica. Obviously now you need to take it one game at a time. I really like the part of the bracket Fisher is in though. GO CARDS!!!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 27, 2006, 09:32:35 am
Yes, Fisher will have a home game in the 2nd round against the winner of Norwich/Elms.

After the second round, though, if the seedings hold prepare to travel to Amherst again.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 27, 2006, 09:33:08 am
So to me it's looking like if both Fisher and Amherst winout then it will be a decision between the two of them on who gets the home sectional
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: clearconceit on February 27, 2006, 11:35:09 am
OHHHHHHHHHHH YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS!

I was hoping and I got my wish.  I really like our situation.  Gordon is not a power conference team, and WPI - don't know much about but hell I am just ahppy to have the chance.

Could it be a 4th game?????  Fisher has a great draw too.

Lets kick some ass in this thing and help our league get the respect it deserves.

Peace
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 27, 2006, 11:44:35 am
There is a good possibility that if each teams play up to snuff, SJF and UC could have a 4th date.

Man that could be a blessing and a curse!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 27, 2006, 12:06:25 pm
I would love to see that, just for the fact of what it could do for the E8
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum91 on February 27, 2006, 12:15:44 pm
Great for the E8,
and I hope that it comes true.
Anyway- E8 shouldn't dissapoint-

BTW Utica guys-
The O-D made it a non story that you are in!?
Hopefully it was just overlooked.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 27, 2006, 12:28:44 pm
Ah, yes. The Gordon Fighting Scots. A girl I've known since I was very young goes to Gordon. The school is a small, Catholic school in suburban Boston. Unfortunately, I can't get a scouting report because this girl is spending the semester abroad in Thailand. It sucks because she's a big hoops fan and would have probably told me at least a little something about them.

However, it looks like they play a VERY easy schedule. From the looks of it, the only team they played from a decent conference was Emory and Emory beat them. WPI could be a difficult 2nd round matchup for Utica. They went 21-3 this season and played in a good conference. Utica's coach would be smart to get McVean on the phone as RIT played WPI early this season, losing to them 61-56 on a neutral floor.

I agree with the consensus that it looks like Fisher has a nice road to the Sweet 16. That'd be pathetic if they put it up in Amherst again.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 27, 2006, 12:35:16 pm
Well 1 P-State or Hamilton need to pull off the upset, and then we are looking logically either Amherst or Fisher, and unlogically WPI or Cortland
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 27, 2006, 12:57:05 pm
ECAC's are out. Here are the 1st round matchups:

Wednesday

#8 RIT @ #1 Oswego
#7 Ithaca  @ #2 Union
#6 Brockport @ #3 SUNYIT
#5 Keuka @ #4 Potsdam

Semi-finals will be held Friday night
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: bamm on February 27, 2006, 01:01:35 pm
Very pleased to see the Tigers made it.  Can they beat Oswego twice?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 27, 2006, 01:02:00 pm
Four SUNYAC teams ranked above the two E8 teams. Ouch.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 27, 2006, 01:23:05 pm
Ah, yes. The Gordon Fighting Scots. A girl I've known since I was very young goes to Gordon. The school is a small, Catholic school in suburban Boston. Unfortunately, I can't get a scouting report because this girl is spending the semester abroad in Thailand. It sucks because she's a big hoops fan and would have probably told me at least a little something about them.

However, it looks like they play a VERY easy schedule. From the looks of it, the only team they played from a decent conference was Emory and Emory beat them. WPI could be a difficult 2nd round matchup for Utica. They went 21-3 this season and played in a good conference. Utica's coach would be smart to get McVean on the phone as RIT played WPI early this season, losing to them 61-56 on a neutral floor.

I agree with the consensus that it looks like Fisher has a nice road to the Sweet 16. That'd be pathetic if they put it up in Amherst again.

What kind of chance do you think Utica has to get past Gordon on Friday, gb15?
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: superman57 on February 27, 2006, 01:38:10 pm
From what I've heard, if you hit your shots, and shot better then you did on saturday then you can win
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 27, 2006, 01:39:08 pm
I very much expect Utica to win that game. They will have quite an edge in athleticism and Utica has played a far tougher schedule (it's rare that an E8 team would be able to say that). I think if the Pioneers don't let Gordon out to a lead early--Gordon will probably start strong--Utica's size, skill and athleticism should be too much for Gordon.

If I had to guess, I'd say Utica wins by 7-10 points. A nice road win for an NCAA tourney game.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: Knightstalker on February 27, 2006, 02:31:04 pm
 ECAC Selections  (http://www.ecac.org/feature/feature.asp?id=2816)
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: tigerfan2 on February 27, 2006, 03:30:36 pm
I'm guessing RIT snuck in because UR declined. Can anyone confirm this? Seems like UR would have been in no problem if they had wanted to be.

Maybe they think ECAC's is below them, who knows.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: lileyes on February 27, 2006, 03:44:38 pm
Fisheralum...
The news that Utica made NCAA's didn't come out till after 10 p.m. so that is probobly why the OD doesn't have anything on it.  Hopefully tomorrow!
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: gobombers15 on February 27, 2006, 04:08:24 pm
I'm guessing RIT snuck in because UR declined. Can anyone confirm this? Seems like UR would have been in no problem if they had wanted to be.

Maybe they think ECAC's is below them, who knows.

Agreed. Same way Ithaca used to feel about receiving ECAC bids in football. Luckily, that has changed recently in the years the Bombers missed the playoffs.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 27, 2006, 05:23:19 pm
I would like to congratulate Utica on making the NCAA tournament as well as conference champ ST JOHN FISHER. I hope both schools represent the E8 very well. Utica has a tough game on Friday. From what I've heard and read on the web (D3HOOPS.COM) Gordon has been playing pretty well. (Obviously, you need to play well to win the conference championship). There are a couple things UTICA needs to be careful of on Friday. The first is the trip to Worcester, MA. I know it is shorter to Worcester from UTICA than Pittsford, NY but with it being the first time in the NCAA tournament, the trip might be a little different than if they had been here before. The second is the atmosphere, they need to be aware that this is not just another game like most would like them to believe. I know they have probably played tournament style basketball for 2 months (since the start of E8 season) but you need to be patient and not rush things on Friday. The third is to relax and play your game. You don't want to have a game that you can lose in the first half.

With that being said, good luck to UTICA on Friday night against Gordon and make the E8 proud.
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 27, 2006, 05:29:44 pm
Now on to Fisher. I thought that after Fisher won the E8 title on SATURDAY night, they might have gotten a home game but I was surprised beyond belief that they got one of the 5 byes in the tournament. That is huge because Fisher has some players with injuries that need to be healed and it gives them a couple extra days to recooperate. I know, what teams don't have injuries at this time of year. I was also surprised at the side of the bracket Fisher was in. I seriously hope if Fisher does win on Saturday that the Sectional (SWEET 16/ELITE 8) is not in Amherst. I heard terrible things from last year (excluding the game). Ex: the parking situation, the gym is basically thre same size as Fisher and Fisher had to drive 6 hours to get there. That is all in the past but those are things you need to look at when deciding who is hosting 4 teams with a chance to go to the NCAA FINAL 4
Title: Re: Empire 8
Post by: rjcarter8 on February 27, 2006, 06:24:10 pm