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Title: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on June 09, 2006, 12:25:06 am
New England Soccer News and Chat.
Title: Re: NAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 06, 2006, 08:51:18 am
Lasell gets in as AQ.
Title: Re: GNAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 06, 2006, 08:54:42 am
Per NCAA Div III site:  Western New England gets in as AQ:
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 06, 2006, 08:56:35 am
Per NCAA Div III site:  Williams gets in as AQ. CT Wesleyan as an at large.
Title: Re: NEWMAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 06, 2006, 08:57:37 am
Per NCAA Div III site:  Wheaton, MA gets in as AQ.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: JeffRookie2 on March 13, 2007, 02:22:24 am
Any word on recruits for next year?
Title: NEAC
Post by: d3bballinboston on May 31, 2007, 06:46:04 pm
Bay Bath, Newbury, Lesley, Elms, Becker, Daniel Webster, Wheelock and Mitchell all have formed the NEAC.  They will start conference play in 08-09.
Official press release will come out on Tuesday.
Title: Re: NEAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 31, 2007, 08:04:15 pm
So, we have a new league of 8.

Pat has gone thru the combinaitons of upper and lower case letters to have a unique abbreviation...

New England Athletic Conference -- NAC - taken by North Atlantic Conference

New England Athletic Conference --  NEAC - taken by the North Eastern Athletic Conference

New England Athletic Conference -- NAthC - taken by the Northern Athletics Conference

...

That was tough.

NEnAC   ???

Title: Re: NEAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 31, 2007, 08:05:30 pm
New England Athletic Association would've been better.
Title: Re: NEAC
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 31, 2007, 08:06:34 pm
New England Athletic Association would've been better.

I thought that Southern New England Athletic Conference had possibilities, myself.  ;)
Title: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on July 26, 2007, 11:46:14 pm
The NCAA post-season regional conference call participants will all need tutorials!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on November 25, 2007, 11:51:20 am
Congrats to Middlebury from Pat Coleman!

School's press release:

The Middlebury men’s soccer team won its first NCAA Championship with a 0-0 tie with Trinity of Texas in the title match in Florida. The Panthers won the crown on a shootout, edging the Tigers, 4-3. The national championship is the 28th for the College since ’94, in eight different sports. The Panthers end the year with a school record 17 wins (17-2-3) and 17 shutouts. Trinity suffers its first loss and ends the season with a 23-0-1 mark.

The scoreless first half was controlled by Trinity, as the Tigers out-shot Middlebury 13-6 in the opening frame. Trinity’s leading scorer Patrick Floeck had the first major opportunity, sailing a one-touch volley over the crossbar after a long throw-in from the left corner. Floeck went airborne later in the half, trying to put a head on a cross from the left sideline, but he collided with Bush and had to leave the game. Floeck would return to the field in the second half.

The Panthers kept fighting, and a surge towards the end of the half resulted in the team’s best chance; Andrew Banadda chased down a loose ball in the box with just over a minute before halftime, and his one-touch blast rocketed off the left post and back into play. Casey Ftorek was in position for the rebound, but his shot was off the mark to the right.

The second half was a defensive battle, as both teams found it difficult to find quality shots; Trinity attempted eight to Middlebury’s six. Midway through the half, Trinity came close to breaking the tie on a corner kick from the right side; Kyle Altman was open in the middle of the box, and his header bounced wide left.

With 15 minutes left in regulation, Middlebury found an opening to Ftorek streaking down the left side, but his shot from outside the penalty area bounced wide right.

With the clock counting down from 10 seconds, Trinity’s Joseph DeCosta received a cross from the right side and had a one-touch shot blocked by Bush, saving Middlebury from a last second defeat.

Trinity nearly won the game three minutes into overtime period when Matt Beham sent in a cross from the right side, and Robert C’deBaca’s header was saved on the far post by a Middlebury defender.

The Tigers finished the game with a shot advantage of 23-12. Bush stopped nine shots in goal for the Panthers, while Steinberg finished with two saves for Trinity.

In the shootout, Ftorek scored with a shot to the bottom left to tie it at one. Bush made a diving save in the second round before Andrew Germansky gave Middlebury a 2-1 lead. Trinity scored to start off the third round before Stephen Hart’s shot was saved to tie it at two. Following a Tiger conversion, David LaRocca scored to knot it a three goals apiece. Trinity’s fourth shooter hit the crossbar before Brandon Jackson scored to give the Panthers the national title.

“The foundation of a good team is defense,” Middlebury Head Coach David Saward explained. “It’s an incredible honor for us to do this, especially with the four teams that were here.”

The Middlebury defense did not allow a goal through the entire tournament, and that mindset helped prepare them for the high-powered Trinity attack. Bush ended the season with a 623 minute scoreless streak.

“It feels great; it’s a credit to our defense,” Bush remarked. “To even play to a tie against a team like Trinity is great. They’re a phenomenal team.”

“I felt that we played good enough soccer to create enough chances to win in the first half, and again in the second half and overtime,” Trinity Head Coach Paul McGinlay explained. “When it comes to penalty kicks, there’s no more coaching.”

“Over 400 teams started the year,” McGinlay continued, “and on November 24 there were two left. We came as close as you can possible come to having the perfect season.”

Andrew Germansky, Corey Moffat and Banadda were named to the NCAA All-Tournament, while Bush earned Tournament M.V.P. honors.

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on December 10, 2007, 05:55:30 pm
So Middlebury is on a roll!  Based on their performance against Trinity, can anyone predict who wins the rematch?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on June 03, 2008, 09:59:40 pm
For 2008, Middlebury looks strong.  I see only 5 seniors graduating and I believe that only 2 of those seniors were starters (?).  I know that the conference is strong and that they have to play Williams on the last last match of the regular season (which is always a tough match), but I see an undefeated season - and lots of low scoring events as well.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 15, 2008, 07:39:55 am
The following NESCAC '08 Men's Soccer schedules are now up:

Wesleyan:
http://www.wesleyan.edu/athletics/msoccer/08msocschedule.html

Williams:
http://williams.prestosports.com/sports/msoc/2008-09/schedule

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 15, 2008, 08:17:17 am
WPI's '08 Men's schedule:
http://wpi.prestosports.com/sports/msoc/2008-09/schedule
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: pasoccerdave on June 22, 2008, 05:35:52 am
Plymouth State University:

http://athletics.plymouth.edu/sports/msoc/2008-09/schedule
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: pabegg on July 16, 2008, 07:15:36 am
Trinity
http://www.trincoll.edu/athletics/main.aspx?mode=schedule&t_id=7&year=0
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 10, 2008, 08:54:16 pm
Final:  Coast Guard 5, Salve Regina 0.

  Per broadcaster account-Coast Guard's record is now 4-0, its' best start since 1994.)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: tjcummingsfan on September 21, 2008, 09:32:40 am
Keene state got worked over by a very good southern Maine team yesterday 5-0.  All 5 goals were scored in the first half. In the second the huskies just packed it in on d and made centering pass after centering pass look like they were to no one.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on October 22, 2008, 06:18:53 pm
Eastern Conn is moving up in the polls...
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 25, 2008, 11:29:31 pm
Eastern Conn is moving up in the polls...

Yes but they lost to Rhode Island College today 2-1 in OT

RIC has many good players, and by sounds of thier sir names most are Brazilian -American or kids from other  S. American country extractions
One note on the game ,( it was streamed live on RIC web site) is that Maxim Fantle, ECSU top scorer, was  tripped in P-box on a break away in last minutes of 2nd half, no P-Kick called. looked like a bad call!!!

Overall, it was an exciting match
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on October 26, 2008, 08:43:13 am
Fantle is a strong player.  He is probably marked so closely that there was a lot of contact throughout the match - and the refs will sometimes let a lot of that stuff go as a result.  If he was really was tripped up, that is too bad.  Sounds like it was a great match.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 01, 2008, 08:34:13 pm
ECSU crushed U Mass Dartmouth today 7-0. USM I would say upset RIC 1-0.

Looking to be great LEC Tourney.

LEC could possibly have 2 teams in NCAA D-III  Regional!!!

CT teams, Trinity and  ECSU have a great shot
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 08, 2008, 03:16:13 pm
RIC over Plymouth St 1-0 to win LEC Soccer Championship and berth in NCAA Regional tournament

ECSU should have a shot at at large bid
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: owl on August 11, 2009, 10:10:44 pm
The new season is around the corner.  Any predictions this year for NESCAC?  Amherst appears to have been hit hard by graduation on the offensive and defense and Williams lost their starting midfield.  Middlebury didn't lose much scoring but lost their all-american goalie.  Trinity and Wesleyan will be back with a vengence after their late season slippage.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on August 11, 2009, 10:31:18 pm
The new season is around the corner.  Any predictions this year for NESCAC?  Amherst appears to have been hit hard by graduation on the offensive and defense and Williams lost their starting midfield.  Middlebury didn't lose much scoring but lost their all-american goalie.  Trinity and Wesleyan will be back with a vengence after their late season slippage.
2009 D3 Men's Soccer NSCAA Pre-Season Rankings 8/11/2009 and
Final NSCAA/Adidas Division III Rankings
(As of 12/09/2008)  
Rank School W-L Points Prev
1 Messiah  21-2-3 25 8
2 Stevens  19-2-5 24 NR
3 Amherst  15-4-3 23 NR
4 Loras  20-5-1 22 21
5 Trinity (Texas)  20-1-1 21 1
6 Middlebury  15-2-4 20 6
7 Montclair State  21-1-0 19 3
8 Christopher Newport  17-5-3 18 RV
9 Emory  16-2-1 17 5
10 York (Pa.)  18-0-2 16 2
11 Ohio Northern  20-5-1 15 NR
12 Hobart  18-1-3 14 4
13 Swarthmore  17-3-2 13 11
14 Carleton  17-2-3 12 7
15 Ohio Wesleyan  18-5-1 11 9
16 Johns Hopkins  13-5-5 10 NR
17 Augsburg  12-4-7 9 NR
18 Rochester  14-3-2 8 10
19 Dominican (Ill.)  19-3-1 7 13
20 Richard Stockton  16-6-1 6 15
21 Carnegie Mellon  15-3-1 5 20
22 Redlands  16-5-2 4 RV
23 Wheaton (Ill.)  15-4-3 3 17
24 North Carolina Wesleyan  16-3-2 2 NR
25 Western New England  16-1-6 1 12

 
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Case Western Reserve (Ohio), Texas-Tyler, Wittenberg (Ohio), Carroll (Wis.), Salisbury (Md.), Norwich (Vt.), St. Lawrence (N.Y.), RPI (N.Y.).
 
DROPPED OUT: No. 14 Whitworth, No. 16 Case, No. 18 Calvin, No. 19 Salisbury, No. 22 William Patterson, No. 23 Ithaca, No. 24 Eastern Connecticut State, No. 25 RPI.
 
Middlebury seems to be the pick as they are the perennial power house
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: truenorth on August 12, 2009, 01:24:31 pm
It certainly appears the NESCAC will be highly competitive again this coming season.  Last year's regular season results suggested that any team could beat any other on a given day. 

Middlebury and Amherst have to be among the favorites based on their regular season and NCAA tournament performances last year.  In addition to Williams and Wesleyan being strong performers in recent years, I'm guessing Trinity will be strong again after a great season last year.  And I wouldn't count out Bowdoin, who were very young last year and struggled to score goals, but were in position to grab 2nd in the NESCAC standings before suffering several upset losses late in the season.

Tufts, Colby, Bates and Conn College all had several big wins last year, and don't forget that Conn has brought in Kenny Murphy as new head coach, former top assistant coach at Brown.  It'll be interesting to see how the season plays out.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on August 12, 2009, 01:45:17 pm
Other considerstion is if top NESCAC teams, (Middlebury/Amherst), picked up any nationally watched recruits or foreign players who could start or bolster thier bench strength.  Historicallly, both teams seem to done an excellent job in this department
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: owl on August 15, 2009, 07:37:09 pm
Williams appears to need the most help and typically pulls in an international or two.  Amherest last year pulled in their leading scorer -Heo from Korea and a mid fielder from Conn College.  Rumor has it that the Korean player has to return to Korea which could really shake up their offense since they also lost Duker to graduation.  Midd generally recruits locally with a couple of aces from mid west and west.  Hard to draw a southern boy to upper Vermont.

Wesleyan, Trinity, Tufts and Bowdoin are only a couple of players out of the mix.  Any of these teams can win on any given day.  The key to survival in the very physical NESCAC is minimizing injuries and depth.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on August 15, 2009, 08:45:57 pm
Well said, Owl.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: nescac1 on August 18, 2009, 03:08:18 pm
Confirmed about Heo not being at Amherst this fall:
https://www.amherst.edu/athletics/teams/fall/soccer-m/jae_heo_blog

Tough blow for the Jeffs, with him, along with graduated Lynch and Duker leaving, that is the bulk of their offensive production gone.  Plus they lost two top notch defenders -- you'd have to think they slip back to the pack a little.  Of course, they will get Heo back in two years and you figure he will have a huge edge as a 24 year old playing against teenagers.  I would think Amherst has got to have some impact frosh coming in, given the ridiculous haul the new coach brought in last year. 

As for Williams, they actually haven't brought any high profile internationals in for many years; that basically was a short term experiment for the classes of 01-04 that led to a ton of individual accolades without concomitant team success.  Hopefully they do have a few badly-needed impact frosh ... Williams seems to have a very deep team of lots of solid players, but a shortage of any true superstars (especially star goal scorers) since the class of 07 graduated (not a total shock, as that is around the same time as Williams recruiting practices really changed, with the biggest impact on men's soccer and basketball).  I am guessing Coach Russo is nearing retirement, perhaps he is hoping for one more big run in the tourney before he bows out, as he has now coached for over 30 (!) years. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Giggs on August 18, 2009, 03:11:33 pm
I hear that Midd got a local All-American.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on August 19, 2009, 11:02:41 am
You are correct Giggs...Rob Cole from South Burlington, VT is his name.  Very solid player.  Google him for more info.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: nescac1 on August 19, 2009, 04:52:10 pm
Williams likewise has a local kid coming in, Than Finan, goalie on the state champion Mt. Greylock squad. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: owl on August 19, 2009, 09:45:30 pm
Williams will have an experienced senior goalie this year.  What they really need is a true scoring threat.  They only scored 31 goals last year and the two leading scorers, Empson and Gordon, both graduated.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: truenorth on August 20, 2009, 05:03:59 pm
I did learn in watching NESCAC soccer for the first time last year that most freshmen, no matter how talented, usually require some seasoning to make their full impact on the game--even in D3.  Quality recruits will help any and all of these programs, but are not the complete answer.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: owl on August 20, 2009, 10:33:09 pm
Most of the NESCAC teams find 0ne or two freshman break into a starting role after four or five games.  Their overall impact will be determined by the team around them.  A leading scorer last year for Amherst (Heo) and Middlebury (Macnee) were freshman and the teams were very successful.  Not necessarily because of the freshman but they certainly augmented an already strong team.  While very successful, Jones from Bowdoin couldn't carry Bowdoin alone.   
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: DIIIdad on August 21, 2009, 10:38:45 am
While Heo was technically a freshman, wasn't he 21 or 22 years old?  That's significantly different than bringing in an 18 year old freshman in my opinion.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on August 24, 2009, 09:49:39 pm


NCAA D-III National Champions
Year   Champion   Record
1974 Brockport St. (12-2-2)
1975 Babson (17-0-1)
1976 Brandeis (15-2)
1977 Lock Haven (14-4)
1978 Lock Haven (18-2)
1979 Babson (13-2-4)
1980 Babson (16-3-1)
1981 Rowan (19-1-2)
1982 UNC Greensboro (19-3)
1983 UNC Greensboro (23-1-1)
1984 Wheaton (Ill.) (21-1-2)
1985 UNC Greensboro (20-5)
1986 UNC Greensboro (18-5)
1987 UNC Greensboro (17-7-1)
1988 UC San Diego (23-0-2)
1989 Elizabethtown (23-2)
1990 Rowan (20-3-2)
1991 UC San Diego (18-4-1)
1992 Kean (18-6-1)
1993 UC San Diego (20-2-2)
1994 Bethany (W.V.) (15-5-4)
1995 Williams (17-0-2)
1996 TCNJ (17-5-1)
1997 Wheaton (Ill.) (24-0-1)
1998 Ohio Wesleyan (18-6)
1999 St. Lawrence (22)
2000 Messiah (22-2-1)
2001 Richard Stockton (25-1-1)
2002 Messiah (23-2-1)
2003 Trinity (Tex.) (24-0-0)
2004 Messiah (23-2)
2005 Messiah (24-0)
2006 Messiah (21-1-2)
2007 Middlebury (18-2-2)
2008 Messiah (21-2-3)

One of the NESCAC teams need to knock Messiah out in 2009!!!!!!

Unbelievable record, re Messiah, so got to give them a LOT of credit!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: owl on August 24, 2009, 10:19:14 pm
Messiah will have a new coach this year so let's see if they will skip a beat or continue to roll.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: truenorth on August 25, 2009, 08:20:36 am
I've heard it said that Messiah is somewhat of a mecca (no pun intended) for student athletes from Catholic backgrounds, some of who are D1 caliber.  I would imagine they're deep and talented year after year.  But that makes it a fun challenge for NESCAC type programs to compete with that kind of depth.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on August 25, 2009, 02:50:43 pm
Actually, the backgrounds would be more like evangelical protestant versus Catholic, but yes, their players are quite often strong candidates for small/mid-level D1 programs.  With Brandt moving on to Navy, 2009 will be a good test these guys under a new leader.

It was few years back that Williams gave Messiah the best match they had ever seen in the quarter-finals.  Williams could very well have been the champ that season.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: speedy on August 25, 2009, 09:09:45 pm
Don't think you's find a lot of Catholics at a college founded by the Mennonites and now affiliated with some other Protestant religion that looks to be evangelical in nature . . .
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on August 26, 2009, 12:24:15 pm
Correct re Messiah being evangelical Protestant, however whatever the religious connection, its an institution that produces wonderful D-III programs in both men and womens sports.

A lot of National Championships in thier pocket!!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: d3fan1 on August 26, 2009, 06:49:04 pm
Messiah has proven to be the best team in D3 soccer in both men's and women's side. One team that could say they have been almost as competitive is Wheaton in Illinois, which is another strong Christian institution. I for one don't think it is a coincedence that the quality of individuals attracted by a Christian institution would produce the caliber of character necessary to achieve this level of success.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: nescac1 on August 26, 2009, 10:24:59 pm
Actually, I believe it is coincidence.  Amherst, Wash U., Emory, Middlebury, TCNJ, and Williams are all totally secular (and very diverse) institutions, and they have combined to dominate D-3 sports overall for the past decade, pretty much owning the top spots in the Director's Cup standings and all winning multiple national championships across a wide variety of sports.  I think being a Christian institution neither helps nor hinders athletic success -- rather, it comes down to coaching, recruiting, institutional support, etc.  If anything else, in D-III it seems like there is a strong correlation between strong academics and strong athletic success (Wheaton, mentioned below, I know to be a very strong academic school, as are all of the above listed schools). 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on August 26, 2009, 11:30:27 pm
Good point, nescac1.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on August 27, 2009, 04:26:03 pm
 Little East Conference
2009 Men's Soccer Preseason Coaches' Poll
 
Rank, Institution (1st Place votes)   Pts. 2008 Finish
1.   EASTERN CONN.       (3)             57      3rd
2.   Rhode Island College (2)*           55      2nd
3.   U. of Southern Maine (1)            40      1st
4.   Plymouth State U.     (1)             38     4th
5.   Keene State College                    37    t-6th
6.   Western Conn.                            26      5th
7.   Massachusetts Dartmouth           23    t-6th
8.   Massachusetts Boston                12      8th
*-2008 playoff champion
 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: d3fan1 on August 27, 2009, 06:15:38 pm
I agree with you nescac1. There are any number of highly successful secular d3 institutions. My point was not that success is the exclusive domain of Christian institutions, but instead that, all other things being equal, the intangible characteristics brougt to the table in character traits may be enough to make the difference in winning consistantly rather than being close. If athletes are drinking and partying during the season it may be harder to get over the top when the competition gets tough. I realize that just because you attend a Christian institution it is no guarantee that  you won't drink and I'm sure there are many dedicated athletes from secular school who do take care of themselves, but I think there is a better chance that schools like Messiah and Wheaton are more disciplined. I may be wrong though.
Just so you know, I have one son who plays soccer at a Christian school and one who plays at a secular school and both teams are very dedicated and do a great job, but I think it may be harder to make good decisions at the secular school.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: owl on August 28, 2009, 10:36:21 pm
I have followed college soccer for some time and while I concurr that the stability and attitude of the institution are important, my personal opinion is the coach and AD in the institution is probably the singular most important factor.  There are many great institutions out there that have not been able to field a team and several less spectacular institutions that have success on the pitch.  Messiah, Williams, Middlebury, are teams that happen to have successful programs in no small part to very successful coaching.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: nescac1 on September 04, 2009, 08:17:44 pm
Williams preview is posted.  Doesn't sound like they have any impact goal scorers coming in so they will need to rely upon improved defense and gritty midfield play, because there are no proven big-time scoring threats on the roster. 

Amherst brings in what may be another loaded frosh class:

https://www.amherst.edu/athletics/teams/fall/soccer-m/roster

HUGE amount of new players, including three from South America, which sounds scary for the rest of NESCAC.  Noon and Rooks I heard are both good as well.  They lose almost their entire offense from last year so I imagine many of these frosh will play immediately.  Seems like the new Amherst coach really knows how to recruit. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: tjcummingsfan on September 05, 2009, 09:50:58 am
Thanks for posting that ECSU, I went to the Keene State game against New England College on Tuesday and was actually really curious what Keene State was expected to do this season.  Granted it was their first match, but they didn't look great against a clearly inferior NEC team. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 05, 2009, 01:09:33 pm
TJ,

Yes, its good to look at the preseason polls, but on any given day, the top teams in the LEC can play even or win.  Keene has always had great athletic programs in general and historically been strong in soccer. They were always tops in soccer back when when I was @ ECSU, ( ECSC back then).  Good Luck to all the LEC teams this year.

Lets try to give the NESCAC teams a run this year!!!  It's going to be tough, but not impossible!!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 05, 2009, 01:13:19 pm
Williams preview is posted.  Doesn't sound like they have any impact goal scorers coming in so they will need to rely upon improved defense and gritty midfield play, because there are no proven big-time scoring threats on the roster. 

Amherst brings in what may be another loaded frosh class:

https://www.amherst.edu/athletics/teams/fall/soccer-m/roster

HUGE amount of new players, including three from South America, which sounds scary for the rest of NESCAC.  Noon and Rooks I heard are both good as well.  They lose almost their entire offense from last year so I imagine many of these frosh will play immediately.  Seems like the new Amherst coach really knows how to recruit. 


Unbelievable what Amherst has done re recruits this year!! It does look SCARY!!!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 06, 2009, 05:13:49 pm
ECSU off to a good start with winning the Babson tourny, 3-1 over MIT yesterday, and 1-0 over Babson, today.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on September 07, 2009, 12:49:28 am
...both of which were good wins.

Amherst was a speedy team last year, and it looks like that will continue. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: owl on September 07, 2009, 08:25:14 pm
Amherst did some intresting recruiting this year.  They got two boys -same last name, brothers?, from the agricultural school, United World College in Venezula.  They are both 6'5" and 195 and 200 pounds.  One is a mid fielder and one a defender.  Their third foregin entry is a mid-fielder from Bolivia.  Looking forward to seeing them on the pitch.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: frank uible on September 08, 2009, 08:42:33 pm
English as a second language at Amherst.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on September 09, 2009, 09:11:25 am
Nice!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 10, 2009, 05:29:46 pm
NCAA Rankings Regional Men  New England
Division III  1st Poll  - September 08, 2009


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Rank   School   Prev.                               W-   L-   T  
1  Amherst (Mass.)
No activity                                               0  -  0  -  0    
2  Middlebury (Vt.)
No activity                                               0  -  0  -  0    
3  Western New England (Mass.)
DH Westfield 2-0; DH Springfield 1-0               2  -  0  -  0    
4  Eastern Connecticut State
DN MIT 3-1; DA Babson 1-0                         2  -  0  -  0    
5  Trinity (Conn.)
No  Activity                                              0  -  0  -  0    
6  Wheaton (Mass.)
DH Brdgwtr 3-1; DH S. Maine 5-1; TH Rut.-Nwrk 0-0        2  -  0  -  1    
7  Plymouth State (Mass.)
DH Ithaca 1-0; DA R. Williams 1-0 (OT)          2  -  0  -  0    
8  Massachusetts Institute of Technology
DH Endicott 4-0; DH Salve Regina 2-0; LN E. Ct. St 1-3; DN Wentworth 2-0        3  -  1  -  0    
9  Salem State (Mass.)
DH Endicott 2-1                                        1  -  0  -  0    
10  Williams (Mass.)
No activity                                                0  -  0  -  0  
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: owl on September 10, 2009, 10:01:15 pm
Any predictions for the opening weekend of NESCAC play?
Bowdoin @ Amherst
Trinity @ Colby
Wesleyan @ Williams
Tufts @ Middlebury
Conn College @ Bates

Typical NESCAC, I don't see any "easy" games.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: newengland99 on September 11, 2009, 01:32:01 pm
soggy pitch, cooler temperatures, rainy skies
new england soccer   
priceless
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: truenorth on September 11, 2009, 02:16:08 pm
My guesses:

Amherst 1, Bowdoin 1
Trinity 2, Colby 0
Wesleyan 1, Williams 1
Middlebury 2, Tufts 1
Bates 1, Conn College 0



Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on September 11, 2009, 05:13:00 pm
I'd give Amherst a 3-1 win.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: owl on September 11, 2009, 08:13:56 pm
My picks:
     
    Amherst 2 Bowdoin 0  @ Amherst probably on turf
    Trinity 2   Colby 1        @ Colby on a very slick grass
    Wesleyan 1  Williams 2  @ Williams on a well drained field
    Middlebury 2  Tufts 0   @ Middlebury on a cold turf
    Bates 0    Conn College 2  @ Bates on turf?

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 12, 2009, 10:28:07 pm
Ramapo-1,  ECSU-1 (2 OT).

Next Tufts Tues 9/15 ,
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 15, 2009, 10:31:58 am
Pat Coleman et al,

GREAT JOB ON PUBLISHING THE NEW D-3 SOCCER NATIONAL POLL!!!!!!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on September 15, 2009, 11:55:16 am
Pat and I say you're welcome.  It was a lot of work, but worth it.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 15, 2009, 07:47:26 pm
Pat and I say you're welcome.  It was a lot of work, but worth it.


Nice job Jim, great site!!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 15, 2009, 09:53:33 pm
ECSU 3, Tufts 2 (2ot)

Next WCSU Sat 9/19

First-team All-New England Region senior forward Maxim Fantl's early season Stats:

                                       
## Name                 GP-GS  Min   G   A  Pts  Sh Shot% SOG  SOG% 
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13 Maxim Fantl           5-5   469   7   2  16   25  .280      18   .720   
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: bdublu on September 17, 2009, 12:03:53 pm
New the forum this year.  Really enjoy D3 soccer in New England.

How about Curry beating WNEC 2-0 yesterday!  And Middlebury just getting by Colby - Sawyer 1-0.!

Could there be be more parity this season?  Or was WNEC over rated.  They have had a tough start. 

And I believe that Colby - Sawyer was picked in the bottom half of  the TCCC.  Surprising that they were able to stay with Middlebury even though they were out shot 18-4 and corners were 12-2.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: owl on September 17, 2009, 10:37:20 pm
Last year Middlebury really had a hard time finding goals.  Their outstanding defense always keeps them in the game until the offense finds a way to score a goal.  Surprising that Amherst has not scored more goals.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: truenorth on September 18, 2009, 08:07:07 am
After a very evenly played first half where Bowdoin may have had a slight edge in shot quality, Amherst scored two second half goals at home vs. Bowdoin last Saturday.  The first was legit and the second came late in the game as the result of some sloppy defense by Bowdoin.  It's only the first game of the season, but Amherst's offense doesn't look as potent or multi-faceted as it did last year (as you'd expect given the loss of some key goal producers).
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on September 18, 2009, 09:22:31 am
Did Middlebury play that type of match against Maine?  They had to have had some offense in that match as Main is a fairly good program.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: amh63 on September 18, 2009, 04:51:57 pm
Amherst did lose many of its scorers from last year.  However the coach brought in his second class this year.  In the first game, it should be noted that the two goals by Amherst was by first-year Noon from Connedticut who was only inserted in the second half.  Noon was selected player of the week; in part due to the fact, no other conference team scored more than one goal in its game. In the second game, a hard fought game on turf at Amherst (broadcasted) with Bridgewater State, Amherst won 2-1.  Both goals was late in the first half by a junior.  It was a rough game with both teams called for a high number of fouls.  Amherst will need to find its way both offensively and defensively during the season...blending in the new players.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: truenorth on September 18, 2009, 05:12:21 pm
Middlebury played UMaine Fort Kent, an obscure branch school of the UMaine system located in the very northern part of the state.  I live in Maine and just learned for the first time that UMFK has an NAIA program.  Hunted around online to discover that, remarkably, they have 10 Jamaicans and 3 South Africans on their roster.

The central land grant school, UMaine (Orono), terminated their D1 men's soccer program earlier this year--a travesty given that soccer is the biggest participation sport in the state.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: owl on September 18, 2009, 11:08:22 pm
UMaine @ Ft Kent vs Midd  was a very interesting game, it looked like men against boys.  UMaine started 7 Jamacians, 1 South American, 1 Croatian and 1 Trinadad Tobago.  They were very big, fast and technical.  In the three wins prior to Midd, UMaine had scored 15 goals and given up but 1.  They moved the ball very well through the midfield but the Midd defense stymied them.  Midd had a number of good opportunities but typically held the ball a little too long.  With about 10 min left in the game, Umaine drove deep into the corner and got off a nice cross that a player one-touched into the lower right corner for the only tally of the game.  With about two minutes left Midd took a corner that looked like it curved into the upper corner and bounced out.  The linesman said it bounced off the inside of the post while the home crowd was sure it bounce off the corner brace inside the goal.  It was a very well played game by both sides.   
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Giggs on September 19, 2009, 09:40:57 am
Just as a side note, the former UMaine HC has landed on the staff at Brown. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 20, 2009, 04:28:14 pm
ECSU 4 WCSU 0 @ the ECSU sports complex

Next Weds 9/23, Trinity College in Hartford
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 22, 2009, 01:45:04 pm
ECSU moved up to 13th from 16th in NSCAA National poll.  Finally recieved votes in D-3 poll!!!

Here is NSCAA New England poll:


NSCAA National Rankings
 

NCAA Rankings Regional Men  New England
Division III  3rd Poll  - September 22, 2009


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Rank   School         Prev.                                                                                              W-L-T  
1  Amherst (Mass.)
DH Bridgewater State 2-1; DA Tufts 4-0                                                                    3  -  0  -  0    
2  Eastern Connecticut State
DH Tufts 3-2 (OT); DH Western Connecticut State 4-0                                               5  -  0  -  1    
3  Williams (Mass.)
DH SUNY New Paltz 1-0; DH Connecticut College 4-0; DA Wiheaton (Mass.) 2-1        3  -  0  -  1    
4  Wheaton (Mass.)
DA Johnson & Wales 6-2; DA Springfield 1-0; LH Williams 1-2                                    7  -  1  -  1    
5  Middlebury (Vt.)
DH Colby-Sawyer 1-0; TA Trinity (Conn.) 2-2                                                              2  -  1  -  1    
5  Trinity (Conn.)
DA Worceter State 2-1; TH Middlebury 2-2                                                                 2  -  0  -  1    
7  Wesleyan (Conn.)
DH Springfield 1-0; DH COlby 4-1; TA Western New England 0-0                                 2  -  0  -  2    
8  Plymouth State (N.H.)
LA Keene State 0-2                                                                                                      4  -  1  -  0    
9  Curry (Mass.)
DH Western New England 2-0; DH NIchols 2-0                                                            4  -  2  -  0    
10  Massachusetts Institute of Technology
DA Emerson 5-2                                                                                                            4  -  2  -  0    

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    www.NSCAA.com or call 800-458-0678
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 23, 2009, 06:30:06 pm
Trinity 1 ECSU 0 in a close match!!

WHILE THE VIDEO BROADCAST WAS MUCH APPRECIATED, THE CAMERA MAN NEEDS MORE EXPERIENCE, VIDEO WAS ALMOST UNWATCHABLE!

Next Keene State 9/26 in Mansfield
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: owl on September 27, 2009, 09:23:10 am
Major upsets this weekend.  What's with Conn College?  Are they for real or was Amherst taking them too lightly.  Keene State woke up and thumped Eastern, and Middlebury still can't find the goal and lost in a tight one to Bowdoin.  Even Trinity just squeaked by Bates.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: truenorth on September 27, 2009, 09:37:22 am
Don't know about Conn College's "legitimacy".  I'm sure coach Kenny Murphy has brought a new attitude, but none of the players are his recruits.  Bowdoin's win over Middlebury was legit.  It easily could have been 2-0 or 3-0 at the half.  The Bowdoin keeper only had to make one save and was not severely tested.  Williams seems to be on a roll so far.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 27, 2009, 12:57:02 pm
Major upsets this weekend.  What's with Conn College?  Are they for real or was Amherst taking them too lightly.  Keene State woke up and thumped Eastern, and Middlebury still can't find the goal and lost in a tight one to Bowdoin.  Even Trinity just squeaked by Bates.

Yeah, I was in Mansfield for the Keene blowout vs ECSU.  Was not pretty!!.  The defense looked shaky, while Keene's Freshman striker Shawn Shand was fantastic. Keene D great, very fast/quick .  ECSU soccer has not beat Keene in many moons!!!!  Only positive was the Eastern goal off a free kick from 25 yards into right top corner of net

Hopefully the Warriors can re-group soon. as they have  Montclair St. coming up in a week or so.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on September 27, 2009, 10:51:05 pm
ESCU, yeah that score surprised me as well.  Sounds like it was just an off day for them - and that Keene came ready to play.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 28, 2009, 10:49:03 am
ESCU, yeah that score surprised me as well.  Sounds like it was just an off day for them - and that Keene came ready to play.

Jim, Keene/Eastern a huge rivalry, with Keene dominating for a long time.  Keene, historically always has a pretty strong team and this Shand kid looks to be the real deal.

Hopefully the game thumping wakes up Eastern going forward!!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 29, 2009, 09:36:12 pm

9/26 Keene 4 ECSU 1
9/29 Salem St 0 ECSU 3

next: 10/3 @ UMass Boston 
        10/4 @ #11/#6 (D3 poll) Montclair State 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: truenorth on September 30, 2009, 07:58:26 am
The NESCAC continues to appear strong.  All four NESCAC teams won out-of-conference games yesterday, including Wesleyan over nationally ranked Wheaton 1-0 and Conn College over UMass Dartmouth 2-0.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 30, 2009, 02:16:14 pm
truenorth,

NESCAC certainly comes up with tremendous talent every year! Great athletics, great acedemics!!

Will be rooting for the NESCAC in the NCAA tourny if LEC teams fail to attain.

Will it be Amherst, Williams, Trinity, Conn College or Middlebury to make the NCAA tournament, or multiple?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on October 01, 2009, 12:44:41 am
That Wesleyan/Wheaton match was a good one.  I would have thought Wheaton was a 2 goal favorite, but obviously would have been wrong.  I agree that the NESCAC might be stronger top to bottom this year than in recent years.

I don't know if Middlebury will be there in the post-season, but traditionally, the NESCAC has had up to 3 teams in the Tourney - 1 as the AQ winner, and 2 as the Pool C choice.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 01, 2009, 10:34:59 am
Sometimes difficult to predict results this year.  For example, Babson bomped Keene last night 3-1 while Keene domimated ECSU. Finally, ECSU beat Babson earlier this season!  Additionally, some major upsets this past weekend!!

However, I agree NESCAC conference teams are very strong and will be the teams that will have to be defeated to get into and advance in the up coming NCAA NE Regionals.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: truenorth on October 01, 2009, 05:58:11 pm
Some forum contributors are far more savvy about the intricacies of NCAA tournament selection criteria than I am.  That said, it appears to me that the overall strength of the NESCAC programs cuts both ways. 

For starters, the NESCAC teams play a restricted schedule of 14 regular season games.  A team can have a very good season, win all of its out-of-conference games, win more than half of its in-conference games, and barely get to 10 wins.

Whereas the other D3 conferences in New England allow anywhere from 17 to 20 game schedules, making it far easier to get to 10+ wins.

I realize the tournament selection committees take strength of schedule into account, but I've still got to believe it's hard to ignore the overall W's and L's, regardless of true schedule strength.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: vabaseball on October 03, 2009, 03:20:48 pm
Connecticut College over Bowdoin today 1-0 in 2 OTs. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 03, 2009, 04:29:04 pm
Keene over RIC 3-2 in a swamp today 
Plymouth St over WCSU 2-0
ECSU/ UMass Bost ppt
UMass Dart/USM ppt     
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on October 03, 2009, 10:34:33 pm
The Plymouth win was expected but I thought Conn would have an easier time with Bowdoin.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 04, 2009, 01:04:26 pm
Huge game with ECSU vs Montclair St today at Montclair where they have recently set a new NCAA record for home wins (40)!!

Looking at Montclair roster they are a big team with a majority of thier starters over 6 feet.  Complete roster are NJ boys.  Great tribute to NJ soccer!!

Cullen Brothers are Red Hawk impact players with  8, 6, 22 ytd goals/assists/point respectively.  Larry Geraghty thier third goal scorer.

Maybe ECSU has an upset in mind 8)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 04, 2009, 04:21:24 pm
Montclair 2 ECSU 1

Larry Geraghty scores in  the 101 minute in double over time.

MS dominated in shots on goal 29-14.  Valiant effort by the Warriors, but Red Hawks just too strong.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on October 05, 2009, 12:16:20 am
...plus they had that home winning streak on the line!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 07, 2009, 11:24:08 am
ECSU 5 Becker 0

Next 10/10 @ U Southern Maine
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 10, 2009, 07:21:54 pm
ECSU 2 @ USM 0

Next 10/12 @ Kean NJ
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 01, 2009, 11:46:37 am
LEC Tourney begins Wednesday.

2009 Little East Men's Soccer Tournament Championship           

Semifinals                                                                          Championship 
 
Wednesday, November 4                                          Saturday, November 7 
 
#4 UMass Dartmouth vs 
                                                                                    Winner UMD/KSC
#1 Keene State *
                                                                                                vs
#2 Eastern Connecticut vs 
                                                                                    Winner ECSU vs RIC
#3 RIC




                                          Reg Season  Final Standings
                                                    W-L-T
                                           -----------------
                                   
Eastern Connecticut              6-1, 14-4-1 
Keene State                          6-1,   13-6
Rhode Island College            5-2,  9-7-2
UMass Dartmouth                 3-3-1,  9-6-2



Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: owl on November 01, 2009, 08:31:19 pm
NESCAC tournament began today also.  #1 Wesleyan handled Colby #8 easily 5-0 while #2 Williams handled #7 Conn College 3-0.  #6 Middlebury had a battle with #3 Amherst and survived with a 2-1 victory.  #4 Bowdoin took #5 Trinity 3-0. 

Next week, Wesleyan hosts the semis and finals.  Wesleyan takes on Middlebury while Williams plays Bowdoin.  What happened to Middlebury?  In the past three days, they have beaten Williams and Amherst.  They get a well deserved rest before battling with Wesleyan.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 02, 2009, 12:15:41 pm
owl,

Really some wonderful teams in NESCAC this year!!!  Bowdoin, Middlebury, Wesleyan, Williams, all capable of beating anyone on any given day.

Good luck to all for NCAA NE regional bid

Will be some tough teams to beat in the National tournament, O Weslyan, Montclair St., Messiah, Hopkins etc
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on November 02, 2009, 08:35:01 pm
I wish I had seen Wesleyan play this year.  They may the New England region team to beat.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: nescac1 on November 03, 2009, 06:49:14 am
So which NESCAC teams are likely to make the NCAA's at this point?  I'd say Wesleyan and Williams are a lock, Trinity may be on the outside looking in with only one high-quality win and a late season collapse, Midd probably needs to win the tourney although an upset of Wesleyan might squeeze them in.  Amherst and Bowdoin seem to be the real wildcards.  I would think beating Williams on Saturday would earn Bowdoin a spot, but perhaps they've earned it already?  With a Bowdoin loss, does Amherst squeeze in?  Or are they in already?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on November 03, 2009, 08:01:21 am
I think Wesleyan and Williams are indeed a lock.  I'd give Bowdoin a strong chance as well.  Amherst may miss this year, but Middlebury, by winning their first NESCAC tourney match, has given themselves a chance.

But it could happen that due to the NCAA regional ranking system (which is the one used to pick post-season participants) would actually allow for 4-5 NESCAC teams to be playing after November 9th!  I really think Amherst is the team on the bubble here.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 03, 2009, 01:36:40 pm
So which NESCAC teams are likely to make the NCAA's at this point?  I'd say Wesleyan and Williams are a lock, Trinity may be on the outside looking in with only one high-quality win and a late season collapse, Midd probably needs to win the tourney although an upset of Wesleyan might squeeze them in.  Amherst and Bowdoin seem to be the real wildcards.  I would think beating Williams on Saturday would earn Bowdoin a spot, but perhaps they've earned it already?  With a Bowdoin loss, does Amherst squeeze in?  Or are they in already?

I woulld say that Trinity had two high quality wins in reg season, one vs Williams and other vs ECSU, which by the way could have gone either way as ECSU hit two off the crossbar in that game in Hartford.

I like Williams, Wesleyan and Bowdoin to move through.

ECSU WILL PREVAIL OVER RIC AND KEENE.






Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 03, 2009, 01:51:16 pm
NSCAA National Rankings
 

NCAA Rankings  National  Men
Division III  National Poll  - November 03, 2009

Rank   School                  Prev.     W-L-T  
1  Ohio Wesleyan                1     17 -  0 -  2    
2  Messiah (Pa.)                   2     17 -  1 -  0    
3  Loras (Iowa)                    3     17 -  1 -  1    
4  Wesleyan (Conn.)            5     11 -  0 -  4    
5  Trinity (Texas)                  6     13 -  1 -  2    
6  Rensselaer P I(N.Y.)         7     13 -  1 -  2    
7  Christ. Newport (Va.)     10     16 -  2 -  0    
8  Dominican (Ill.)                 8     13 -  1 -  3    
9  Rochester (N.Y.), U         11     12 -  1 -  2    
10  Swarthmore (Pa.)         12     14 -  1 -  2    
11  Carnegie Mellon (Pa.)    9     14 -  2 -  0    
12  York (Pa.)                    17     13 -  1 -  4    
13  Carroll (Wis.)                 15     14 -  1 -  3    
14  Williams (Mass.)            14     12 -  2 -  1    
15  Whitworth (Wash.)       NR     12 -  2 -  3    
16  Salisbury (Md.)              24     14 -  2 -  1    
17  Wheaton (Ill.)                NR     13 -  3 -  2    
18  Muhlenberg (Pa.)           RV     11 -  3 -  2    
18  Wheaton (Mass.)           NR     16 -  3 -  1    
20  Ohio Northern                25     14 -  3 -  2    
20  Plattsburgh St. (N.Y.)     22     12 -  2 -  4    
22  UC Santa Cruz               19       13 -  3 -  2    
23  Elmhurst (Ill.)                NR         12 -  3 -  3    
24  St. Olaf (Minn.)              NR       13 -  3 -  2    
25  Montclair State (N.J.)      24     15 -  1 -  2
    


Also receiving votes: Principia (Ill.), Calvin (Mich.), U.S. Merchant Marine Academy (N.Y.), Bowdoin (Maine), Capital (Ohio), Hobart (N.Y.)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 03, 2009, 02:04:22 pm
NSCAA National Rankings
 

NCAA Rankings Regional Men  New England
Division III  9th Poll  - November 03, 2009


Rank   School                                                                   W-L-T   
1  Wesleyan (Conn.)
DA Connecticut College 2-0; DH Colby 5-0                  11  -  0  -  4
   
2  Williams (Mass.)
LA Middlebury 0-1; DH Connecticut College 3-0          12  -  2  -  1
   
3  Wheaton (Mass.)
DH Worcetser Polytchnic Institute 2-0                        16  -  3  -  1
   
4  Bowdoin (Maine)
DH Tufts 2-1; DH Trinity (Conn.) 3-0                           11  -  3  -  1
   
5  Eastern Connecticut State
DA UMB 3-1; DH Fitch. St 3-0; DA Ply St 3-2 (OT)        14  -  4  -  1
   
6  Amherst (Mass.)
DA Trinity (Conn.) 2-1; LH MIddlebury 1-2                   11  -  3  -  1
   
7  Babson (Mass.)
DA MIT 4-2                                                                   13  -  5  -  1
   
8  Trinity (Conn.)
LH Amherst; LA Bowdoin 0-3                                       10  -  4  -  1
   
9  Keene State (N.H.)
DA Connecticut College 1-0; DA South. Maine 2-1        13  -  6  -  0
   
10  Western New England (Mass.)
DA New England 3-0; DH New Engtland 3-2                 14  -  5  -  2
   
10  Middlebury (Vt.)
DH Williams 1-0; DA Amherst 2-1                                    9  -  4  -  2

   
 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: owl on November 03, 2009, 11:12:23 pm
Interesting to see Middlebury back there at #10 after knocking off #2 Williams and #6 Amherst.  Who woke the sleeping giant.  Ought to be quite a match between #1 Wesleyan and #10 Middlebury.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 04, 2009, 10:53:55 pm
ECSU 2 RIC 0
UMD 2 Keene St 1

UMD @ ECSU Saturday for LEC Championship
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 07, 2009, 06:16:33 pm
ECSU LEC Champs with 1-0 win over UMD
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on November 08, 2009, 03:28:12 am
ECSU will have two teams in, right?  Nice!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 08, 2009, 09:32:40 am
ECSU will have two teams in, right?  Nice!

Jim,

Yes Sir, the mens and women soccer are in the NCAA tourney!

Lets see how far thay can progress.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Bucket on November 08, 2009, 01:07:45 pm
Midd beats Wesleyan, 2-0.

Do the Panthers need to beat Williams (for the second time in a little more than a week)? Or are they in regardless?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: owl on November 08, 2009, 04:56:44 pm
Midd battled Williams very even to a 1-1 tie at regulation and gave up an own goal about 6 min into the first ot.  In the past 12 days, Midd beat Williams at home, Amherst away Wesleyan away and then lost to Williams in ot.  Some very tired lads walked off the field today.  Koodos to both Williams and Middlebury on a very good game.  In light of their recent play, it would be a shame if Middlebury did not make the tournament.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 08, 2009, 07:50:41 pm
Agreed,

NESCAC teams have best shot at progressing deep into NCAA tournament
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on November 08, 2009, 11:21:33 pm
Interesting to see Bowdoin make it in over Middlebury.  Better record perhaps, but it seemed like Middlebury played up when they needed to.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: truenorth on November 09, 2009, 08:17:30 am
Here are the observations from LaPaz, as posted on the D3 Futbol site.  He saw both NESCAC semi-final games on Saturday.

"Saw the games this weekend and felt Williams deserved to win.  I thought Wesleyan looked the worst out of all 4 teams. Maybe they just had a bad day. They have no offensive firepower and rely to much on their defense and superb goalkeeping. That keeper plays like a senior not a frosh.  For all you Bowdoin haters they belong in the tournament, that kid Jones has some wheels and they are very organized defensively...Williams scored on a keeper mistake, but Bowdoin had some chances but could not finish them.  They looked like the 2nd best team in tournament..Midd played well got lucky to tie Williams on a 25yard cracker from Redmond but that was their only real legitimate shot of the game.  Still it was fun to hear those Williams fans all gulp when that went in..The way Midd has owned Williams recently you would think that Midd would have found a way to win after that goal..Coincidently they lose the game on an own goal.  You can compare all the nescac teams to e/o all you want but Bowdoin got in b/c they beat Babson,St.Joe's, and Husson all NCAA tournament teams...argue the system all you want but thats the way it is.  Having seen them a few times this year they deserve it anyway."
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 09, 2009, 02:35:10 pm
Four NESCAC teams in NCAA Tournament, nice job!!

NESCAC by far strongest Conference in the country!!

Lets see if one of them can bring it home.

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on November 12, 2009, 12:18:27 pm
Bowdoin thoughts for today's match?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: DIIIdad on November 12, 2009, 12:28:53 pm
Plattsburgh, but only because I picked them in my bracket.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on November 12, 2009, 06:40:13 pm
I didn't participate in the bracket, but I'd have been 0-3...as you can see on the Daily Dose.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 14, 2009, 09:46:38 pm
ECSU season ends with 1-0 loss to RPI
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on July 09, 2010, 08:29:00 pm
Below find ECSU Mens Soccer Newsletter for Summer 2010, which provides 2010 schedule, and a preview for 2010 season, which includes returning players and freshmen recruits.

ECSU will miss Maxim Fantl's leadership and offense this year, but looks to have picked up  a great recruiting class.

http://www.easternct.edu/athletics/men_soccer/documents/2010SummerNewsletter.pdf
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on August 04, 2010, 11:51:33 pm
Thanks.  See the front page for another young team...
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on August 06, 2010, 02:31:29 pm
Wow 21ish out of 28 players frosh or sophs!!!  If Guiliano recruited the right guys, this could lead to 2-3 great seasons for the Thunder.  Good Luck to them in 2010.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: amh63 on August 11, 2010, 03:19:24 pm
Mid-August news is slow.  Here in Montgomery county, Md., there is a star player that has attracted attention/interest/offers from two NESCAC schools.  Rising Sherwood high senior Mauricio Navarette is reported to hold offers and firm interest from seven colleges to date. The Air Force Academy, the Navy Academy, Loyola (Md.), Yale, Amherst and Wesleyan U. seems to be in the hunt.  Mt. St. Mary (Md.) is the seventh.  Broad range of schools.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 09, 2010, 07:40:47 pm
First 2010 NSCAA New England poll

http://www.nscaa.com/SeniorResReg.php?it=1217&dv=3&rg=New_England
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 14, 2010, 08:48:52 pm
Eastern Connecticut now ranked #16 nationally.  Now at 4-0 with 2-0 win over Ramapo College of NJ last week.

http://www.nscaa.com/seniorRes.php?it=1235

Next Wheaton College, 9/15, then Trinity College, 9/21
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 18, 2010, 04:55:34 pm
ECSU over WCSU in Danbury this afternooon on beautiful strike by Jon DeCasanova, from 25 yards out!!  Now 5-0-1, and should move into D3 soccer poll this week.  Currently #16 in last weeks NSCAA poll. and #2 in NE behind Williams College.

Noticed a number of starters out today, ie Smiles, Furman, who must have taken a few knocks in the Wheaton game.

Hopefully these guys are back for the Trinity game on Tues.!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on September 21, 2010, 09:17:14 pm
ECSU moves into the Top 25 poll as predicted by ECSUalum.  They came in at No. 23, but with the loss to Trinity (Conn.) today, they'll need to win on Saturday to stay in the poll.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 22, 2010, 10:50:34 am
Thanks for the comments Jim.  Yes, Eastern lost to another very good Trinity College team last night, 1-0, on a own deflection off a set piece @ 21 minutes into first half.  It was third year in a row Trinity keep a clean sheet vs Eastern and has won 7 out of last 8 times the teams have met!!!  Eastern played without 3 starters, (Juniors Smiles, Collins, and Furman, the latter, their leading scorer), due to injuries, (concussions/broken bones) incurred during a very physical Wheaton MA match, however, that's life in the game of soccer!

Trinity dominated the first half, while Eastern the second.  ECSU missed 2-3 very good 2nd half scoring opportunities.  A positive, is that a lot of freshmen/sophmores are getting playing time this year.  ECSU has 1 Senior and 7 Juniors on 2010 squad of 24.

Absolutely correct, Jim, need to keep winning/tying to stay in top 25 polls.  
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on September 22, 2010, 10:20:39 pm
How long are these starters due to be out?  For the season?  I hope not.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 23, 2010, 04:26:35 pm
Smiles - Junior - mild concussion, should be back soon.  Key defensive player in the back , excellent with set pieces.
Furman - Junior - broken cheek bone return, :o ??????  Top scoring threat together with Tobler
Collins -Junior - leg/ankle?, return, ????  :'(   Best midfielder on team, rock solid defence, experienced.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on September 23, 2010, 06:09:54 pm
Thanks for the info.  Tough injuries on key guys...
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 25, 2010, 05:05:54 pm
ECSU loses to Keene State 2-1 today and look bad in the process!!!! :o

No consistent passing, just lobbing the ball forward every possession they get ???

Defense looks bad on breakaway by Senecal.

ECSU now needs to regroup as they have droped 2 in a row!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: nescac1 on October 07, 2010, 04:53:35 pm
Wow, incredible:

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dirty-tackle/post/There-s-another-member-in-the-fastest-goal-club?urn=sow-275360
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 08, 2010, 07:19:29 pm
Wow, incredible:

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/blog/dirty-tackle/post/There-s-another-member-in-the-fastest-goal-club?urn=sow-275360

nescac1,

That is one COOL video!!! Thanks for posting
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 11, 2010, 11:29:18 am
Smiles - Junior - mild concussion, should be back soon.  Key defensive player in the back , excellent with set pieces.
Furman - Junior - broken cheek bone return, :o ??????  Top scoring threat together with Tobler
Collins -Junior - leg/ankle?, return, ????  :'(   Best midfielder on team, rock solid defence, experienced.

Everyone is now back!! (although Collins not playing full 90 minutes recently)  Furman in first game back scored a hat trick vs Kean U last night in 3-0 win.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: tjcummingsfan on November 03, 2010, 09:14:06 pm
Watched the Keene State - UMD game tonight in Keene.  I feel awful for the UMD players and fans.  They sure got a raw deal with officiating tonight.

UMD was dominated most of the game, looking crisper, smarter, and more skilled.  UMD went up 1-0 in the first half, and was looking like they could continue to put pressure on Keene State. 

At one point in the second half there was a lot going on in the box in front of the UMD goal, it was pretty clear that a whistle was blown (to me and most of the UMD fans/coaches) and many of the UMD players stopped, Keene continued play and put the ball in the goal.  To the shock of just about everyone in the stadium it was ruled a goal.  There was no explanation offered to the coaches as to what the whistle was, or why play didn't stop.  This tied the game at 1-1.  Later in the half Keene State put in another goal on a pretty shot from 25-30 yards out into the top left corner just beyond the outstretched hands of the diving UMD goalie. 

Try as they might UMD couldn't come back after that second goal.  There were questionable calls throughout the rest of the half, which felt all the more offensive after the ridiculous goal call earlier in the half. 

This was the second or third Keene State game I've watched and after every one I've walked out just appalled at the lack of sportsmanship of Keene State.  After the final whistle blew Keene States players were taunting the UMD players seeming to revel more in UMD's loss than the KSC win.  Had I been a Keene State supporter I would have been extremely embarrassed.  Is this something that is well known of Keene State, or am I just used to better sportsmanship from the CCIW in the Midwest?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: zcat68 on November 05, 2010, 01:51:42 am
I'm not sure about the sportsmanship issues, but UMD filed a protest that was upheld, the game is going to be replayed Friday.

http://www.corsairathletics.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/110410aaa.html
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 05, 2010, 12:22:55 pm
UMD/KSC rematch  :o

WOW, that very interesting!!!

I was watching the KSC/UMD video while listening to  the ECSU/RIC audio.  I did see the play but did not catch the commentary with it.  Also hard to see with video quality just what happened.

A rematch shows that something with officiating did go whacky!!  Kudos to LEC for fair play.

Better than those idiots who run FIFA ;)

Both ECSU men and undefeated women's soccer seasons end with losses on PKs :-[ 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 11, 2010, 09:20:55 pm
ECSU gets Pool C bid to NCAA Tournament and defeats Nichols College 1-0 on DeCasanova, (assisted by Furman), goal at 23 minutes.  Next Bowdoin College on Sunday at Brunswick ME.,
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on November 12, 2010, 12:27:35 am
I was just looking back on that issue with Keene and UMD.  I don't think that I can ever recall a match being replayed in my 28 years of watching D3 soccer.  Obviously with video, it is so much easier to examine a situation like a an inadvertent whistle, but it is still a very rare occurrence.  I will say on the contested match that Cliff McCrath is a solid man and as honest as they come - so if it was he who lead the decision to replay, then it was the correct decision.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 14, 2010, 04:39:41 pm
ECSU Warrior Men lose to Bowdoin 2-1.

Good Luck to Polar Bears for rest of NCAA Tournament!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: nescac1 on February 02, 2011, 07:31:24 pm
Lots of future NESCAC players listed here:

http://rise.espn.go.com/boys-soccer/articles/Honors/verbal-commitment-list/2011-Division-III.aspx?pursuit=BoysSoccer
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 03, 2011, 04:12:17 pm
ECSU over Clarkson U 3-0 in Lotto Classic. This was the season opener for the Warriors way up in Canton NY.  Tobler had 2, Esposito 1, clean sheet for Carl Appel.

Today ECSU meets #22 St Lawrence U., which looks to have a big strong team and returning most of last years squad. Should be a great game.

Final SLU 1    ECSU 0
Shots      18          4 which sort of tells the story
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 7express on September 09, 2011, 04:28:19 pm
Western's new head coach is the brother that used to coach my sister in youth soccer, and their friends of my parents, so I'll be going to a lot of games this year.  Western is 1-1 so far winning George Kostellis's debut on the 1st with a 2-1 victory over Albertus, before losing 2-0 to Union College last Tuesday.  They go on the road to Rutgers-Newark tomorrow.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 10, 2011, 08:03:04 pm
ECSU soccer played on newly renovated Nevers Field for the first time since 2008, defeating Ramapo College of NJ 5-0.
Five players contributed goals in a balanced attack: Matt Esposito, Cory Tobler, Jon DeCasanova, Luke Capezzone and Sean Collins.


  Shots by period       1  2  Tot                          Saves by period       1  2  Tot
-------------------------------                         -------------------------------
Ramapo College......  4  3 -  7                           Ramapo College......  1  2 -  3
Eastern Connecticut.  6  9 - 15                       Eastern Connecticut.  1  0 -  1

  Corner kicks            1  2  Tot                              Fouls                 1  2  Tot
-------------------------------                         -------------------------------
  Ramapo College......  4  4 -  8                         Ramapo College......  2  3 -  5
Eastern Connecticut.  4  3 -  7                         Eastern Connecticut.  6  5 - 11




Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: LaPaz on September 11, 2011, 05:45:16 pm
Can u explain the renovations?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 12, 2011, 10:57:46 am
Nevers Field was renovated for improved drainage, was crowned, new grass turf, concession stand, improved player seating and coverage, new ECSU Soccer signage, and I think they increased bleacher seating, (not sure). Prior to 2011 the team played at the ECSU's Mansfield Sports Complex on an artificial turf soccer/LAX facility. Nevers Field is on campus, (North) next to new parking garages. 
REALLY DID A NICE JOB!!  Must be nice for the team as well!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 14, 2011, 10:17:45 pm
Matt Furman strikes with 22 seconds left in the match (89:38) on great cross from Kyle Suprenant and holds on in 2OT for a 1-1 tie @ Wheaton College, Norton MA.  ECSU returns to action on Sat. @ Nevers Field, for their first LEConference match with RIC.


Shots                    1   2  OT1  OT2  Total
....................................... .................
Eastern Conn. St.   6   7    1       0    14

Wheaton (Mass.)    7  11   1       2    21
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 18, 2011, 05:51:08 pm
From easternct.edu and by Bob Molta ECSU SID

WILLIMANTIC, Conn. - Senior  midfielder Sean Collins (Bristol)  set up junior forward Matt Furman (Montville) for the only goal of the match 11 minutes into overtime to lift the Eastern Connecticut State University men's soccer team to a 1-0, double-overtime victory over Rhode Island College in the 2011 Little East Conference opener for both schools Saturday afternoon at Thomas Nevers Field.

The game-winning goal came on Eastern's third shot of overtime and just 38 seconds into the second ten-minute sudden death OT period. The Warriors won the kickoff to start the second OT period and sent the ball back to senior keeper Carl Appel (West Windsor, NJ). Appel played the ball to  senior defender Aaron Smiles (Bedford, MA), who boomed a long ball from Eastern's defensive third down the left wing.  Collins caught up to the pass in perfect stride and one-timed a cross from the left side to the far right post. Hustling down the right wing, Furman headed the ball from the right post to the right of RIC senior keeper Nick Clark, who was stationed at the near post to cut down Furman's angle. The game-winning goal was the ninth of Furman's three-year career.



Furman and Tobler are on their way to monster offensive years if they both stay healthy.  Matt Esposito, Jon DeCasanova, and Kyle Suprenant will also be significant scoring threats, all with excellent supply from the likes of Aaron Smiles , who is also ECSU's set piece artist!!

Stats through 6 games or 1/3 of regular season
No.  Name              GP-GS  Min   G   A   Pts  Sh   Shot%   SOG    SOG% 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
21 Matt Furman         6-4   341   4   2   10   15    .267       11      .733   
9  Cory Tobler            6-6   433   3   2    8   11    .273         6      .545   
5  Sean Collins          6-0   259   1   2     4     4    .250         2      .500   
3  Kyle Surprenant     6-6   308   1   2    4     4    .250         1      .250 
11 Jon DeCasanova    5-5   461   1   1    3     8    .125         3       .375 
10 Aaron Smiles         6-6   449   0   3    3     7    .000         2       .286   
   



RIC always puts excellent teams on the pitch every year and when it comes to LEConference games anything goes as every team in the conference can be spoilers.

ECSU and Keene are picked to be at the top of the conference, but RIC, UMass-Boston and UMass-Dartmouth have some very good talent this year and I expect a knock down drag out fight for the LEC crown and again in the LEC tournament/automatic NCAA bid

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 18, 2011, 05:58:43 pm
From easternct.edu and by Bob Molta ECSU SID

WILLIMANTIC, Conn. - Senior  midfielder Sean Collins (Bristol)  set up junior forward Matt Furman (Montville) for the only goal of the match 11 minutes into overtime to lift the Eastern Connecticut State University men's soccer team to a 1-0, double-overtime victory over Rhode Island College in the 2011 Little East Conference opener for both schools Saturday afternoon at Thomas Nevers Field.

The game-winning goal came on Eastern's third shot of overtime and just 38 seconds into the second ten-minute sudden death OT period. The Warriors won the kickoff to start the second OT period and sent the ball back to senior keeper Carl Appel (West Windsor, NJ). Appel played the ball to  senior defender Aaron Smiles (Bedford, MA), who boomed a long ball from Eastern's defensive third down the left wing.  Collins caught up to the pass in perfect stride and one-timed a cross from the left side to the far right post. Hustling down the right wing, Furman headed the ball from the right post to the right of RIC senior keeper Nick Clark, who was stationed at the near post to cut down Furman's angle. The game-winning goal was the ninth of Furman's three-year career.



Furman and Tobler are on their way to monster offensive years if they both stay healthy.  Matt Esposito, Jon DeCasanova, and Kyle Suprenant will also be significant scoring threats, all with excellent supply from the likes of Aaron Smiles , who is also ECSU's set piece artist!!

Stats through 6 games or 1/3 of regular season
No.  Name              GP-GS  Min   G   A   Pts  Sh   Shot%   SOG    SOG% 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
21 Matt Furman         6-4   341   4   2   10   15    .267       11      .733   
9  Cory Tobler            6-6   433   3   2    8   11    .273         6      .545   
5  Sean Collins          6-0   259   1   2     4     4    .250         2      .500   
3  Kyle Surprenant     6-6   308   1   2    4     4    .250         1      .250 
11 Jon DeCasanova    5-5   461   1   1    3     8    .125         3       .375 
10 Aaron Smiles         6-6   449   0   3    3     7    .000         2       .286   
   



RIC always puts excellent teams on the pitch every year and when it comes to LEConference games anything goes as every team in the conference can be spoilers.

ECSU and Keene are picked to be at the top of the conference, but RIC, UMass-Boston and UMass-Dartmouth have some very good talent this year and I expect a knock down drag out fight for the LEC crown and again in the LEC tournament/automatic NCAA bid.

Eastern goes to Trinity College on Wednesday. Trinity has historically been a tough match for the Warriors, however, I have a good feeling about Wednesdays match.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 10, 2011, 04:03:37 pm
From Bob Molta ECSU SID
WILLIMANTIC, Conn. - Sophomores Mitch Power (Douglas, MA) , Tom Vear (Monson, MA) and Nathan Mozian (Southington) scored first-half goals and senior keeper Carl Appel (West Windsor, NJ) tied the Eastern Connecticut State University men's soccer record with his 25th career shutout as the Warriors remained atop the Little East Conference standings with a 3-0 win over Keene State College Saturday afternoon at Thomas Nevers Field.
Ranked sixth in New England, Eastern (8-3-1, 4-0-0 little east) posted its first victory and first regular-season shutout  over Keene State (5-6-1, 2-2-0 little east) in 41 years and recorded its sixth home shutout in seven outings this season.  In 14 previous seasons of LEC regular-season play against the Owls, the Warriors had lost 11 and tied three.


Watched this game and have to say that Keene is one of the most physical teams I have seen in a long time.  However, this year they do not have the scoring punch they have had in previous years, even with Senecal still on the roster!!

Below see current LEC standings:
Team                          LEC   Overall
-------------------------------------
Eastern Connecticut      4-0     8-3-1
Rhode Island College      3-1     7-5
UMass Dartmouth          2-1-1  7-3-1
Keene State                 2-2     5-6-1
Southern Maine             2-2     2-10
UMass Boston               1-3     7-4
Plymouth State             1-3     2-8
Western Connecticut     0-3-1  1-8-2


Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 14, 2011, 02:14:09 pm
ECSU remaining schedule predictions:

UMass Boston......win in 2 OTs
Babson................tie in 2 OTs
USCGA................win
U Southern Maine.win
Becker................win
UMass Dartmouth..win

13-3-2 end of schedule record
wins LEC tournament
2-1 in NCAA Northeast Regionals

Am I only New England College soccer fan on this thread???? Everyone else must be preoccupied by UConn ::)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: LaPaz on October 14, 2011, 03:54:07 pm
Dont underestimate UMASS Dartmouth..they can be a tough out
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 15, 2011, 06:00:46 pm
LaPaz,

Your right conference play can be unpredictable, but I think Eastern will prevail primarily due to UMD's goals allowed/game avg, 1.62, vs 0.50 for ECSU.  Additionally, taking Eastern's 2.33 Goals/game avg., together with their stingy defense put them as the favorites.  Eastern's Sr keeper, Carl Appel, set an ECSU program record with 26 clean sheets today vs high scoring UMB. 

In other LEC action, Keene beat RIC today, so ECSU is in the drivers seat with a 5-0 conference record with only lowly USM, (Conf. 2-3, overall 3-11), and UMD, (Conf. 3-1-1, overall 9-4-1) in the way to a perfect LEC record.  This should guarantee home field advantage for the LEC tourney, unless something goes really bad!!!

Eastern plays one of their toughest opponents of the season in # 20 Babson College in a match in Willimantic on Sunday.  Should be a great match, hoping for a draw.  ECSU defeated Babson their previous two meetings @ Babson's 2009 and 2010 Fall Classic Tourneys .
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 22, 2011, 04:15:42 pm
ECSU rolls over U Southern Maine 6-0 this afternoon with goals by Furman (2), Tobler, Collins (2), Stensland. With the win they have clinched home field advantage  for the LEC tourny and #1 seed.  They have one more LEC match with 3-2-1 UM Dartmouth.
Teams in LEC Tournament in Willimantic will be: Eastern, Keene, RIC and UMD, ECSU vs UMD and Keene vs RIC.

Current standing are:
                         Conference        Overall
                     GP Record Win%  GP Record 
Eastern Conn   6    6-0    1.000  16   11-4-1 
Keene State    6    4-2    0.667  16     9-6-1   
Rhode Isl Col    6    4-2    0.667  16     9-7   
UMass Dart      6    3-2-1 0.583  16     9-6-1   
Plymouth St     6    2-4    0.333  14     4-10 
Southern Me    6    2-4   0.333   16     3-13   
UMass Boston   5   1-4    0.200   13    8-5 
Western Conn  5    0-4-1 0.100    14   1-11-2


Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 05, 2011, 10:54:09 pm
ECSU (14-5-1) wins LEC tournament with a 4-0 revenge blowout of UMass Dartmouth in the semifinal match yesterday and a 1-0 win over Keene State in today's championship game.  In today's match, Senior Matt Esposito converted a PK given when Carl Stensland was pull down in the box @ the 5:30 mark.  Esposito could have iced the match at 29:01, but missed a second PK when Matt Furman was hauled down.
Esposito named Tourney MVP.
ECSU qualifies for its 3rd consecutive NCAA Tournament.
Shots by period       1  2  Tot                            Saves by period       1  2  Tot
-------------------------------                         -------------------------------
Keene State College.  2  3 -  5                         Keene State College.  2  3 -  5
Eastern Connecticut.  6  5 - 11                         Eastern Connecticut.  2  1 -  3

Corner kicks            1  2  Tot                                  Fouls                 1  2  Tot
-------------------------------                         -------------------------------
Keene State College.  3  2 -  5                         Keene State College. 10 10 - 20
Eastern Connecticut.  4  1 -  5                         Eastern Connecticut.  7  3 - 10


Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on August 14, 2012, 07:20:05 pm
New England Colleges (bolded) in the Soccer Preseason poll


NSCAA/Continental Tire NCAA Division III Men's - National - Pre-Season Ranking - August 7, 2012

2011 final record and ranking shown.
Rank School Prev. W-L-T
1 Ohio Wesleyan  1 23-2-0
2 St. Lawrence  8 18-1-1
3 Messiah  15 18-1-1
4 Rutgers-Camden  5 19-3-2
4 Trinity (Texas)  17 14-2-2
6 Amherst  10 16-2-2
7 Stevens Institute Of Technology  6 17-3-1
8 SUNY Oneonta  3 18-3-2
9 Texas-Tyler  7 18-3-2
9 University of Redlands  12 20-3-2
11 Montclair State  4 19-4-3
12 Ohio Northern  11 20-3-2
13 Christopher Newport  20 17-1-1
13 Calvin  2 19-6-2
15 Loras  19 17-4-2
16 St. Olaf  20 17-4-1
17 Dominican (Ill.)  20 19-3-0
18 Babson  13 16-3-4
19 Luther  14 17-4-2
20 Hope  9 17-5-4
21 Washington (Mo.)  23 15-4-1
22 Neumann  NR 14-5-1
23 Western New England  24 16-4-1
24 Wesleyan  24 15-4-1
25 Pacific Lutheran  NR 15-4-0
Also receiving votes: Trinity (Conn.), Dickinson (Pa.), Case Western Reserve (Ohio), DeSales (Pa.), SUNY Brockport, Eastern Connecticut State, Whitworth (Wash.)

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on August 17, 2012, 12:50:30 am
In this poll, you missed Wesleyan (CT) at No. 24.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on August 18, 2012, 06:34:29 pm
In this poll, you missed Wesleyan (CT) at No. 24.

Sorry, Did not intend to overlook our good buddies in Middletown!!!
NESCAC looks to have another strong conference of teams.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on August 29, 2012, 07:21:45 pm
ECSU picked to win the LEC again and return a potent offensive team:

## Name                  GP-GS  Min     G  A  Pts Sh   Shot%
21 Matt Furman          21-19 1140   9   4  22  42   .214 
9  Cory Tobler            21-18 1254   5   6  16  21   .238 
13 Mitch Power          22-7   863    6   2  14   19   .316   
30 Carl Stensland       20-19 1228   5   3  13  12    .417   
22 Tom Vear              20-6   893    4   5  13   19   .211

However, Keeper Carl Appel has graduated.   He had excellent stats:

Sr, Jordan Munsell will have a shot this year to fill those shoes


                                     |---GOAL AVERAGE---| |--SAVES--| |----RECORD----| Shots
## Name                 GP-GS  Minutes   GA    Avg Saves   Pct   W   L   T  Sho Faced
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1  Jordan Munsell         5-2    206:39    0    0.00    10 1.000     2   0   0    1    18
12 Carl Appel           21-20   1804:31   14   0.70    82  .854    13   6   1   10   195

The Warriors' 2012 season gets under way Saturday against  perennial powerhouse, Western New England University in Springfield MA.  Their schedule  also includes tough opponents such as Trinity College, Springfield College, Wesleyan Univ., and Babson College.
 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 03, 2012, 10:45:44 am
Eastern Connecticut wins the Soccer City Shootout @ Western New England College:
http://www.wnegoldenbears.com/news/2012/9/2/MSOC_0902122702.aspx?path=msoc

Next up, the Warriors look to defeat the Trinity College Bantams after 3 straight losses!!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 04, 2012, 06:01:05 pm


Eastern gets votes in preseason poll, then goes 2-0 to start the season, then drops out of first NSCAA/Continental Tire Poll  ??? ??? :o

NSCAA/Continental Tire NCAA Division III Men's - National - Poll 1 - September 4, 2012
Rank School Prev. W-L-T
1 Trinity (Texas)  4 2-0-0
2 York (Pa.)  NR 2-0-0
3 Loras  15 2-0-0
4 Ohio Northern  12 2-0-0
5 Amherst  6 0-0-0
6 University of Rochester  NR 2-0-0
7 Wheaton (Ill.)  NR 2-0-0
8 Franklin & Marshall  NR 2-0-0
9 St. Lawrence  2 2-0-0
10 Babson  18 2-0-0
11 Muhlenberg  NR 2-0-0
12 Salisbury  NR 2-0-0
13 Carnegie Mellon  NR 2-0-0
14 St. Olaf  16 1-0-0
15 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps  NR 1-0-0
16 Dominican (Ill.)  17 1-0-1
17 Messiah  3 1-0-1
18 Stevens Institute Of Technology  7 1-1-0
18 Calvin  13 1-0-0
18 DePauw  NR 2-0-0
21 Wisconsin-Whitewater  NR 2-0-0
22 William Paterson  NR 2-0-0
23 Brandeis  NR 2-0-0
24 Whitworth  NR 1-0-1
24 Rutgers-Camden  4 1-0-0

Records are as submitted by the regional rankers and reflect the current 2012 record through Sept. 2

Also receiving votes: Montclair State, Ohio Wesleyan, Washington (Mo.), Wesleyan, Nazareth, Dickinson

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Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 09, 2012, 10:53:02 am
ECSU Warriors improve to 3-0 as they defeat Ramapo College of New Jersey 1-0, yesterday, in Mahwah NJ.  Only goal scored was an own goal on a misheader by a Roadrunner player at the 66th minute, 12 minutes after Ramapo went down a man on a second yellow card incident. Eastern defense shuts out Ramapo's all time leading scorer, Senior Ron Santaniello, (21 goals in 2010, 55 career goals), for the second year in a row
Eastern defeated Ramapo last year in Willimantic 5-0.
ECSU's game vs Trinity College on Wed. was postponed due to bad weather, (no reschedule as of today).  The Warriors entertain Mitchell College on Wed Sept. 12th, then play their first LEConference match vs RIC on Sat. Sept 15th

Shots by period           1  2  Tot                         Saves by period       1  2  Tot
-------------------------------                         -------------------------------
Eastern Connecticut. 10  8 - 18                         Eastern Connecticut.  2  2 -  4
Ramapo..................  6  6 - 12                         Ramapo..................  6  2 -  8

Corner kicks               1  2  Tot                         Fouls                      1  2  Tot
-------------------------------                         -------------------------------
Eastern Connecticut.  5  3 -  8                         Eastern Connecticut.  4  8 - 12
Ramapo..................  3  2 -  5                         Ramapo..................  8  5 - 13


Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: amh63 on September 09, 2012, 01:09:40 pm
ECSUAlum.....how are you on this bright cool Sunday here in MD.  See you are busy on this board supporting soccer.
Amherst opened its season yesterday in New Hampshire against Colby-Sawyer.  Amherst won 6-0...a huge spread in soccer. 
The first three goals were scored by Spencer Noon, a senior from "just up the street" from you...Farmington H.S..  Have been following him since his FY when I watched him at York, PA when Amherst lost to York in the NCAA. Noon was selected NESCAC player of the year last year and if he continues to score at this rate, he will hold all the school records.
Amherst's rating this year is based on their fine season of last year and the fact that they returned all their top attackers this year....49 out of 50 point producers.  Coach wants the team to be more efficient this year and to improve the defensive side this year.  Though Colby-Sawyer is not a strong team...they lost to Brandeis 7-0...and only had 2 shots vs. 20 plus for Amherst.  Still, maybe Amherst's defense will improve this year.
Awaiting for a 3PM game against Bridgewater State today....it will be on video broadcast....so you can catch some of the game, if interested.
Did want to see the came against Trinity vs ECSU...but the storms caused the reschedule.  Hope to post and chat with you again soon.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 09, 2012, 03:27:46 pm
Hello Professor amh63!!

Hope you had a great Spring and Summer!!  Well, when you speak of Amherst athletics, really no matter which sport, mens, womens, they are the class of D-3 sports nationally and of course in New England and the NESCAC.  I will be wonderful if Spencer can lead the Lord Jeffs to the National Championship this year.  With Heo, Sucre, and MacNamera also adding offensive punch, the scoring this year will be phenominal! Additionally, if Learner, Aoyama, Wie and Wirtz can stick it to opponents top scorers and keep a low goals allowed total, they will beat teams like Stevens and move to the D-III championships. 
I also see Amherst will put another great BB team on the court this year!!  Eastern will be rebuilding after losing Kohn, Nedwick and Levy, but I am hoping Garrow and Salzillo back fill the team this year.

Good luck to Amherst mens and womens teams in 2012/13, and I will be rooting for the boys to take the D-III soccer walnut and bronze, (except if they play Eastern of course) ;).  It should be another exciting year of NCAA D-III competition this year.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 11, 2012, 10:00:40 pm
For those who might have missed the first 2012 D3 poll:
September 11, 2012
D3soccer.com Men's Top 25, Week 2
Through games of Sunday, Sept. 9

# School (1st votes) Rec Pts Prev.
1 Trinity (Texas) (18) 5-0 613 -
2 St. Lawrence (7) 4-0 560 -
3 Loras 4-0-1 508 -
4 Amherst 2-0 475 -
5 Messiah 3-0-1 460 -
6 Franklin and Marshall 4-0 373 -
7 Ohio Northern 4-1 367 -
8 Rutgers-Camden 4-0 320 -
9 York (Pa.) 3-1 318   
10 Montclair State 4-0 317   
11 Babson 4-0-1 283 -
12 Brandeis 5-0 262 -

13 Rochester 3-1 255 -
14 Susquehanna 5-0 212 -
15 Carnegie Mellon 3-1 210 -
16 DePauw 4-0-1 208 -
17 New York University 4-0 178 -
18 Whitworth 3-0-1 173 -
19 Salisbury 4-1 170 -
20 UW-Whitewater 3-0 163 -
21 Ohio Wesleyan 2-1-1 160 -
22 Wheaton (Ill.) 3-1 140 -
23 Hope 3-1 120 -
24 Christopher Newport 2-1-1 117 -
25 Washington U. 3-0-1 113 -

 

Others Receiving Votes: Swarthmore 107, Dominican 105, Calvin 102, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps  75, Medaille 67, Wesleyan (CT) 65, Plattsburgh State 63, Nazareth 48, Williams 48, Dickinson 43, Allegheny 42, Luther 42, Texas-Tyler 27, Augsburg 25, Castleton State 20, Frostburg State 18, Whitman 17, Eastern Conn. State 16, Carleton 13, Chicago 12, St. Olaf 10, Lebanon Valley 10, Alvernia 8, Gustavus Adolphus 7, Stevens 7, Illinois Wesleyan 5, Wisconsin-Plattville 5, Misericordia 5, Methodist 3, Hiram 2, Drew 2, Greenville 2

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 12, 2012, 12:20:32 pm
For lack of a better place to discuss this,  Eastern has put together a student run weekly sports talk show, Eastern Athletics Weekly ,which will discuss all ECSU athletics teams, mens and womens, conduct interviews with student athletes and coaches and also cover hot topics in MLB, the NFL and the NBA. The next edition of Eastern Athletics Weekly can be seen live on LECTV  this Friday Sept 14th @ 11:00 am.
Nice job on the first show hosted by Nicholas Aconfora, Nicholas Minutelli and Sean Harrison. The inaugural and future presentations can be found @ "Recent Archives" on LittleEast.tv immediately upon completion of its live airing. see below for more details
 
http://nutmeg.easternct.edu/mt-static/athletics/2012/09/sports-talk-comes-to-eastern.html
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 30, 2012, 09:37:41 am

DANBURY, Conn. -  One of the top defensive teams in the Little East Conference over the last six years,  Eastern Connecticut State University's offense is keeping pace in 2012.
Saturday, active career scoring leaders Matt Furman (Montville) and Cory Tobler (Portland), both seniors, scored second-half goals and the defense posted its sixth straight  shutout of Western Connecticut State University in as many seasons under head coach Greg DeVito in a 2-0 Little East Conference triumph Saturday night at the Westside Athletic Conference.

Ranked fourth in New England, Eastern (9-0-0, 3-0 LEC) remains one of two unbeatens in the conference, along with UMass Dartmouth. The Corsairs pounded Rhode Island College, 4-1, Saturday. Keene fell from the ranks of the conference unbeatens with a 1-0 home loss to Plymouth State College.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 02, 2012, 06:11:33 pm
D3soccer.com Men's Top 25, Week 5
Through games of Sunday, September 30, 2012

# School (1st Pl. Votes) Record Pts. Prev.
1 Trinity (Texas) (18) 10-0-1 613 1
2 Messiah (2) 9-0-1 597 2
3 Amherst (4) 7-0-0 553 3
4 St. Lawrence 9-1-0 514 4
5 Carnegie Mellon 8-1-0 499 6
6 Loras 11-1-1 489 7
7 New York Univ. (1) 9-0-0 466 8
8 Brandeis 9-0-1 442 5 9 Montclair State 10-1-0 438 9
10 Ohio Northern 10-2-0 324 13
11 Whitworth 8-0-2 308 12
12 York (Pa.) 8-2-1 306 11
13 Susquehanna 9-1-0 290 14
14 Rutgers-Camden 8-2-0 269 10
15 Ohio Wesleyan 6-1-3 199 15
16 Williams 6-0-1 188 18
17 Olivet 10-0-1 164 24
18 Swarthmore 7-1-1 164 19
19 Dominican 7-1-1 146 21
20 Hiram 9-0-1 146 —
21 Plattsburgh State 11-1-0 143 17
22 UW-Platteville 10-1-1 120 25
23 Salisbury 7-2-1 119 16
24 Eastern Connecticut 9-0-0 75 —
25 Babson 8-2-1 66 —
Dropped out: No. 20 Franklin and Marshall, No. 22 Wheaton (Ill.), No. 23 Chicago

Receiving Votes: Carleton 64, Stevens 62, Frostburg State 45, Medaille 41, Christopher Newport 40, DePauw 30, Dickinson 30, Franklin and Marshall 19, Allegheny 17, Illinois Wesleyan 17, Scranton 17, Wheaton (Ill.) 17, Oberlin 14, Lasell 10, Carthage 8, Gustavus Adolphus 8, Mississippi College 7, North Carolina Wesleyan 7, Bowdoin 6, Chicago 5, MIT 5, Albertus Magnus 4, Puget Sound 4, Transylvania 3, Calvin 2, Centre 2, Colorado College 1, Penn State-Behrend 1

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 02, 2012, 07:54:13 pm
ECSU goes to 10-0 this evening with 2-1 win over Worcester St.  Now the tough part of the schedule with Keene St, Wesleyan, Trinity, Babson and UMAss Dart.

NSCAA/Continental Tire NCAA Division III Men's - National - Poll 5 - October 2, 2012
Rank School Prev. W-L-T
1 Trinity (Texas)  1 10-0-1
2 Amherst  2 7-0-0
3 Messiah  3 9-0-1
4 Carnegie Mellon  4 8-1-0
5 Loras  5 11-1-1
6 New York University  6 9-0-0
7 Olivet  8 10-0-1
8 Montclair State  17 10-1-0
9 Brandeis  10 9-0-1
10 St. Lawrence  9 9-1-0
11 Whitworth  11 8-0-2
12 Dominican (Ill.)  13 7-1-1
13 Ohio Wesleyan  14 6-1-3
14 York (Pa.)  14 8-2-1
15 Susquehanna  16 9-1-0
16 Carleton  22 9-1-0
17 Williams  19 6-0-1
18 Rutgers-Camden  6 8-2-0
19 Wisconsin-Platteville  25 10-1-1
20 Dickinson  20 8-1-1
21 Hiram  RV 9-0-1
22 Stevens Institute Of Technology  RV 8-2-0
23 Carthage  NR 8-2-0
24 Eastern Connecticut State  NR 9-0-0
25 Ohio Northern  18 10-2-0
25 Colorado College  NR 8-3-0

Records are as submitted by the regional rankers and reflect the current 2012 record through Sept. 30

Also receiving votes: Swarthmore, Salisbury, Puget Sound, University of Rochester

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 04, 2012, 11:06:12 am
A very interesting article, on Keene State's 15th anniversary in the Little East. Well written and informative re how a D-II school transitioned to D-III.

http://keeneowls.com/news/2012-13/20120913LECStory
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: LaPaz on October 05, 2012, 03:24:52 pm
Moat interesting part of article is how negative soccer coach Ron Butcher was/is to going to D3. Think it has anything to do with him not being as successful? I think it was a great move for the school and an interesting article. Buthcher comes off as negative, cynical and pushing himself out the door at Keene. He needs to retire.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 10, 2012, 06:36:26 pm
ECSU Warriors hold on to defeat the Wesleyan Cardinals 1-0 on a Matt Furman goal, (assist Cory Tobler) at the 7 min mark.     whew!!!  Wesleyan has some outstanding players and really pressured the ECSU defense all game!!!!

Goals by Period     1 2  Total
Wesleyan University   0 0 -   0
Eastern Connecticut  1 0 -   1

Shots by Period    1  2  Total
Wesleyan University  13 13 - 26
Eastern Connecticut  3    0 - 3

Saves by Period    1 2  Total
Wesleyan University  1 0 - 1
Eastern Connecticut  3 2 - 5
 
Fouls by Period    1 2  Total
Wesleyan University  4 3 - 7
Eastern Connecticut  3 6 - 9

Corners by Period  1 2  Total
Wesleyan University   1 7 - 8
Eastern Connecticut  0 2 - 2

Offsides by Period  1 2  Total
Wesleyan University   1 0 - 1
Eastern Connecticut  1 2 - 3
 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 10, 2012, 06:45:50 pm
ECSUA, congrats on the 1-0 win. Who are the players to watch on Wesleyan? The ones who pressured the ECSU backs?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 10, 2012, 07:00:00 pm
Rory O'Neill a 6'4" midfielder who is very dangerous especially on set pieces, and Chris Kuehn another midfielder, who actually took 9 shots.  Kuehn and O'Niell, combined, took 13 of the 26 shots. ECSU actually had zero shots in period 2!!!
Eastern has a relatively tall team with defenseman Jordan Clark @ 6-5, and just about all of thier starting backs at 6 feet, so I think that helped to keep a clean sheet. 

We have Babson and UM Dartmouth coming up!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 10, 2012, 07:30:51 pm
NSCAA/Continental Tire NCAA Division III Men's - National - Poll 6 - October 9, 2012
Rank School Prev. W-L-T
1 Trinity (Texas)  1 11-0-1
2 Amherst  2 8-0-1
3 Messiah  3 11-0-1
4 Loras  5 12-1-1
5 Carnegie Mellon  4 8-1-1
6 Olivet  7 12-0-1
7 St. Lawrence  10 11-1-0
8 Montclair State  8 12-1-0
9 Brandeis  9 11-0-1
10 Whitworth  11 9-0-2
11 Dominican (Ill.)  12 10-0-0
12 Hiram  21 11-0-1
13 Wisconsin-Platteville  19 11-1-1
14 York (Pa.)  14 10-2-1
15 Stevens Institute Of Technology  22 10-2-0
16 Swarthmore  NR 8-1-1
17 Williams  17 7-0-2 18 Calrleton  16 10-1-1
19 Rutgers-Camden  18 10-2-1
20 New York University  6 9-1-1
21 Ohio Northern  25 12-2-0
22 University Of Scranton  NR 9-0-1
23 Illinois Wesleyan  NR 10-1-0
24 Colorado College  25 10-3-0
25 Eastern Connecticut State  24 10-0-1
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: amh63 on October 11, 2012, 03:59:41 pm
ECSU....Nice work on this board.  It may be possible that Amherst will have a chance to meet your team this season in the post season.   Your women's team gave Amherst's women's team quite a game recently.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 11, 2012, 09:36:19 pm
amh63,
Thanks, ECSU will have to come up with a strategy to deal with Noon and the 6-5 Sucre brothers, (is one injured?), if they are going to be successful vs the Lord Jeffs.
Ladies did OK, but need to be more crisp in their passing and maintain better ball possession.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: amh63 on October 14, 2012, 12:23:36 pm
ECSU....In this weekend's game against Colby, at Amherst, both the brothers played.  Game injuries are hard to fine and never reported on by the school before and after the games.  Amherst won 2-0 and seemed to be letting younger players do the scoring.  Amherst is very deep and the FY goalie is progressing well it seems as he has another shut-out.
Sorry, I checked the writeup and one of the brothers did NOT play.  My bad as they say these days.  However, in Sunday's game....today...against Bowdoin at home, FY player, Singer was put in and scored his first goal near the end of the first half.  Singer is a 6'5" player from San Jose, CA being used up front as an attacker.  Score at the half is 1-0.  Amherst is using a large number of players today in a game that Bowdoin is still in and could surprise. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 14, 2012, 10:13:59 pm
amh63,

Thanks for the info, in fact I watched the match with Bowdoin on the Amherst stream this afternoon, (and BTW, the Williams vs Babson match).
Amherst mens soccer is #2 in the country because of Noon, Hoe, young, (6'5"), players like Singer, and the Lord Jeffs extraordinarily tough Defense.  I looked at the Amherst roster and height numbers and could not believe the number of players/starters who are above 6'2" foot!! They will go far this year in the NCAAs, good luck to them!!

I watched ECSU have their way with UMBoston this Sat in Willi defeating them 7-0.  They have Coast Guard, Babson, and UMD coming up, which should tell us if they really belong in the top 23
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 18, 2012, 04:59:09 pm
What do you all think of these NCAA regional rankings that just came out?
New England                           
1   Amherst      11-0-1   11-0-1            
2   Williams      9-0-2      9-0-2            
3   Brandeis      11-1-1   12-1-1            
4   ECSU              12-0-1   12-0-1            
5   Wesleyan (CT)   7-2-2      7-2-2            
6   Babson      11-3-1   11-3-1            
7   Tufts              6-2-3      6-2-3            
8   MIT              8-3-1      8-3-1            
9   Roger Williams   11-4-0   11-4-0            
10   Bowdoin      7-3-2      7-3-2            
11   UMass-Dart      10-3-0   10-3-0
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 19, 2012, 05:11:25 pm
What do you all think of these NCAA regional rankings that just came out?
New England                           
1   Amherst      11-0-1   11-0-1            
2   Williams      9-0-2      9-0-2            
3   Brandeis      11-1-1   12-1-1            
4   ECSU              12-0-1   12-0-1            
5   Wesleyan (CT)   7-2-2      7-2-2            
6   Babson      11-3-1   11-3-1            
7   Tufts              6-2-3      6-2-3            
8   MIT              8-3-1      8-3-1            
9   Roger Williams   11-4-0   11-4-0            
10   Bowdoin      7-3-2      7-3-2            
11   UMass-Dart      10-3-0   10-3-0

NESCAC continues to dominate the region!!!!!

ECSU now 13-0 with 1-0 victory over US Coast Guard Acad.. Matt Furman's 12th goal this year and his 15th career game winner.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 20, 2012, 06:26:04 pm
What do you all think of these NCAA regional rankings that just came out?
New England                           
1   Amherst      11-0-1   11-0-1            
2   Williams      9-0-2      9-0-2            
3   Brandeis      11-1-1   12-1-1            
4   ECSU              12-0-1   12-0-1            
5   Wesleyan (CT)   7-2-2      7-2-2            
6   Babson      11-3-1   11-3-1            
7   Tufts              6-2-3      6-2-3            
8   MIT              8-3-1      8-3-1            
9   Roger Williams   11-4-0   11-4-0            
10   Bowdoin      7-3-2      7-3-2            
11   UMass-Dart      10-3-0   10-3-0

NESCAC continues to dominate the region!!!!!

ECSU now 13-0 with 1-0 victory over US Coast Guard Acad.. Matt Furman's 12th goal this year and his 15th career game winner.

Make that 14-0 with 3-0 win over University of Southern Maine.  Big out of conference game tomorrow with Babson, then hopefully ECSU will wrap up LEConference Championship and home field advantage with win over UMass Dartmouth next Sat. UMD lost to Keene St 1-0 today.

 
2012 Men's Standings    Conf   Overall
Eastern Connecticut      5-0-1 14-0-1
Mass-Dartmouth           5-1-0 11-4-0
Keene State                 4-1-1 9-6-1
Plymouth State             3-3-0 6-9-0
Rhode Island College      2-4-0 4-10-1
Western Connecticut     2-4-0 3-10-2
Mass-Boston                1-5-0 4-9-2
Southern Maine            1-5-0 4-12-0
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 21, 2012, 08:27:49 pm
First loss for the Warriors @ Babson 1-0 in 2OT goal scored @ the 101 minute mark!!!

Eastern Connecticut                                     Babson College
## Player                 MIN  GA Saves                 ## Player                 MIN  GA Saves
---------------------------------------                 ---------------------------------------
1  Jordan Munsell...... 101:09  1     3                 1  Jackson Klein....... 101:09  0     4
TM TEAM................   0:00  0     1

Shots by period       1  2 OT O2  Tot                   Saves by period       1  2 OT O2  Tot
-------------------------------------                   -------------------------------------
Eastern Connecticut.  5  5  1  1 - 12                   Eastern Connecticut.  2  2  0  0 -  4
Babson College......    5  7  1  1 - 14                      Babson College...... 1  2  1  0 -  4

Corner kicks             1  2 OT O2  Tot                   Fouls                     1  2 OT O2  Tot
-------------------------------------                   -------------------------------------
Eastern Connecticut.  2  1  0  0 -  3                   Eastern Connecticut.  0  6  1  0 -  7
Babson College......    3  2  0  0 -  5                       Babson College...... 5  5  2  0 - 12
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 27, 2012, 09:35:08 pm
Cory Tobler's 92:56 strike in OT for a 2-1 win clinches the LEC regular season title and home field advantage for the Warriors. They face Plymouth State in the first round of the LEC tourney. 

Final LEC standings:

2012 Men's Standings       LEC    Overall
Eastern Connecticut        6-0-1   15-1-1
Keene State                   5-1-1  11-6-1
Mass-Dartmouth              5-2-0  11-6-0
Plymouth State               4-3-0  7-10-0
Southern Maine               2-5-0  5-13-0
Rhode Island College        2-5-0   4-13-1
Western Connecticut       2-5-0   3-12-2
Mass-Boston                  1-6-0   5-10-2
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 03, 2012, 02:39:37 pm
Eastern wins LEC Tournament with 3-1 defeat of UMass Dartmouth.  Hopefully we will have a couple of NCAA games @ Nevers Field this upcoming week for the first time.  Congrats to Coach De Vito and the Warriors soccer team. 
BYW Cory Tober played a fantastic game even while being mugged by UMD all afternoon!!  Great job Cory!!!. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 05, 2012, 01:45:22 pm
Eastern Warriors get NCAA National Tournament first round matchup vs St Lawrence U!!  A very good team now and historically, (Overall Current Record 13-2-3 (5-2-1 Liberty League)), with team top scorer, Sam DeMello, (11 goals, -1 assists, -23 points).  Eastern lost to them last year (first game of season), 1-0 in Canton NY.

The Bracket is posted on NCAA.com and you can Watch a replay of NCAA.com D-III Mens Soccer Selection Show:  http://www.ncaa.com/video#!soccer-men/2012-11-05/diii-mens-soccer-2012-selection-show
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 05, 2012, 01:50:17 pm
ECSU should have a good chance this time.  Per LaPaz, DeMello's hamstring injury will keep him out for the remainder of the year.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 05, 2012, 02:04:24 pm
Thanks Colby,

Looks like ECSU will be travelling to Williams College, Williamstown MA, for the first round game with St Lawrence.
Williams College will play Thomas (ME) (15-2-3)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 07, 2012, 03:41:56 pm
Warrior striker Matt Furman named LEC offensive POY, and Bradley Fletcher defensive POY!!  Congrats to MAtt and Brad and all the players names to the All LEC Teams
http://www.littleeast.com/sports/msoc/2012/news/20121106-msoc-all-conference
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: magicman on November 10, 2012, 05:15:01 pm
St. Lawrence wins a hard fought battle against Eastern Connecticut 2-1 in double OT.

SUNYAC champion Oneonta State defeats MIT 4-2.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on January 04, 2013, 04:04:45 pm
 Eastern Soccer Programs Recognized For Sporting Behavior     
WILLIMANTIC, Conn. -- Eastern Connecticut State University is one of only four institutions nationwide – the only one from New England -- to have both its men's and women's soccer programs qualify for a 2012 National Soccer Coaches' Association of America (NSCAA) Ethics Award.

The Eastern men's and women's soccer team both qualified for a Bronze Team Ethics Award for accumulating ten or less yellow and no red cards over the course of the 2012 season. The Eastern men were issued eight yellow cards in 20 matches during a 17-2-1 season and the women's team was given three yellow cards in 18 matches during a 9-6-3 campaign.


Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jim Matson on January 08, 2013, 09:05:25 pm
Well deserved!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on August 30, 2014, 12:42:10 pm
Eastern defeats Castleton State @ Castleton, 1-0 on Freshman Adam Traxler's header (assist by So Konnor Scarponi). 
Eastern opens at home Tuesday against Wesleyan University at 4:30 p.m. at Thomas Nevers Field.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 03, 2014, 02:07:32 pm
A very young, (5 jr, the rest Freshman/So on a team of 23), ECSU squad was defeated by a veteran Wesleyan Cardinals team yesterday afternoon by a score of 1-0.   Freshman forward Adam Cowie-Haskell made his first career goal, (@74.57), a game-winner that lifted Wesleyan University men's soccer team over the Warriors.  The first half of play was relatively even under harsh weather condition of high humidity and 90 degree heat, and the Warriors had 2-3 legitimate scoring chances, however the Cardinals dominated play/possession the last quarter of the match, with Eastern seemingly running out of steam, (conditioning??). Senior Ben Bratt led a sensational Cardinal defense yesterday, breaking up numerous ECSU offensive drives.

ECSU returns to action vs MIT on Saturday in Cambridge MA.

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: madzillagd on September 03, 2014, 07:03:23 pm
Watched some of the Thomas - St. Joe's (Maine) match today. St. Joes is 0-3 and have been outscored 13-2.  Lost 13 players and a new coach, going to be a looong year for the Monks.  Been tracking them because my nephew played hoops with their goalie Scott Benner.  Great kid and good goalie, but he's just outmatched with no help.  Had 42 saves in 16 starts last year; he's already got 18 in 3 games this year with 72 shots(!) by opponents so far.  All he needs is the blindfold and hands tied to make it a true firing squad.   I believe you file this one under character-building year.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 07, 2014, 06:40:07 pm
from gowarriorathletics.com

Battle of NCAA Tourney Teams Ends in Draw
Scoring Summary
1st - 10:59 Sean Bingham (MIT) 
1st - 30:48 Konnor Scarponi (Eastern Conn. St.) 
1st - 38:21 Sean Bingham (MIT) 
2nd - 59:24 Gavin Neuendorf (Eastern Conn. St.) 
 
TEAM STATISTICS
                      ECSU  MIT
Shots (on goal) 8 (7) 14 (8)
Saves               5        4
Fouls                6        8
Corner Kicks     4        6
Offsides 0 0
 
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. – Junior back Gavin Neuendorf (Norwich) scored his second career goal in the 60th minute to give the Eastern Connecticut State University men's soccer team a 2-2 tie with MIT Saturday afternoon at Steinbrenner Stadium. The match was called prior to the start of overtime due to thunderstorms.
Junior All-America midfielder Sean Bingham – a 21-goal scorer least year -- scored his third and fourth goals of the year for MIT (1-0-1), giving the Engineers a 1-0 lead in the 11th minute and a 2-1 lead in the 39th minute. First-year sophomore transfer Konnor Scarponi (Brunswick, ME) tied the match with his first goal at Eastern (1-1-1) in the 31st minute, and Neuendorf scored an unassisted goal in the 60th minute to help Eastern tie the match for the second time.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 14, 2014, 12:21:26 pm
from gowarriorathletics.com
Warriors Continue Unbeaten Ways Vs. Ramapo
Eastern Conn. St. (1-1-2) 
Ramapo (3-2-1) 
Scoring Summary

1st - 34:43 Tyler Jones (Eastern Conn. St.) 
2nd - 69:45 Modou Sowe (Ramapo) 
 
MAHWAH,  N.J. – After experiencing little success against Ramapo College of New Jersey in the first eight years of this century, the Eastern Connecticut State University men's soccer team has come full circle. Saturday, first-year sophomore Tyler Jones (Vernon) scored his first goal at Eastern late in the first half and the Warriors extended their unbeaten streak against the Roadrunners to seven in a 1-1, double overtime draw Saturday afternoon at the Ramapo Athletic Center
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 16, 2014, 07:22:19 pm
ECSU mens soccer loses a heart breaker 1-0 to a 3-0-2 Albertus Magnus side with 2 minutes to go in 2nd OT after dominating most of the match!! (Box score not out yet).  Eastern had plenty of chances to win but just could not finish this afternoon. Sr John DeCasenova who has been struggling, and beat Lukemia, started his first game in 2 years.  IMO, ECSU played one of their best halves I have seen this year, with DeCasenova in the line-up, but frustratingly could not score!!  Unfortunately that's the way soccer games end sometimes. 
The Warriors begin conference play Saturday evening @ WestConn.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 18, 2014, 10:14:16 pm
ECSU men's soccer coach Greg DeVito, Jon Decasanova and rest of the men's soccer team will be honored this fall with the 2014 National Marrow Donor Program (NMDP)/Be the Match Awareness Award.
The award will be presented Nov. 7 at the annual National Marrow Donor Program’s Council Meeting in Minneapolis MN.

http://gowarriorathletics.com/sports/msoc/Awareness_Award
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 21, 2014, 08:25:40 am
Viewed the ECSU @ WCSU live last night in Danbury.  Eastern started the match really well, with excellent ball movement via crisp passing in the midfield and took an 1-0 lead on a beautiful hookup by So Konor Scarponi off a Gavin Neuendorf cross @ 25'.  Then Western scored @ 41 ' and Eastern play deteriorated considerably there after.  Warrior defensive weakness has often been leading to opponent goals recently, case in point the last minute goal to Albertus Magnus on Tues, primarily as a result of failure to clear in the box due to giveaways.   
Eastern's second half was marginally better with So Tyler Jones slipping by Westconn's goalkeeper, (@ 75' mark), off a feed from Jr Cooper D'Ambrosio, for a very nice finish. However, play still resembled kickball.  Suffice it to say that the Warriors need to develop more consistency in the midfield and tighten up on D especially during the tense late stages of close games.  IMO, early in their matches, (first 25 min) they can look very dangerous, while later can be disorganized and uncomfortable on the ball.
Hopefully experience/playing time between the So newcomers and the many freshman will sort this situation out.

MAN of the MATCH was Sophomore Konnor Scaponi who gave Colonial defenders lots of trouble last night!!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 23, 2014, 05:00:15 pm
ECSU vs Gordon 0-0 at halftime. Gordon, who takes a LOT of shots, so far most from 20 yards out, has been out played by Eastern in the first half. Eastern doing a pretty good job with ball possession and scoring chances, but nobody can finish.
The Eastern TV CAMERA work for this game is horrible, (ie the play is in one location on the field and the camera is pointed somewhere else), and on top of this someone needs to clean the lens!!!!  Sooo frustrating!!  As I have stated before and I'll state again, how difficult can this be!!!!!?????
I will give credit to Matt Bosse, he is doing an excellent job on the play by play!!

Hopefully the Warriors can finish in the 2nd half... they have come close 3 times so far!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 23, 2014, 07:54:41 pm
ECSU defeats Gordon 1-0
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 01, 2014, 11:11:47 am
Write-up on ECSU's 6-0 victory over Salem State:
http://gowarriorathletics.com/sports/msoc/2014-15/releases/20140930y7lzbd
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: amh63 on October 01, 2014, 12:17:34 pm
ECSU.....nothing to say about a 6-0 game outcome I see.  Your posts here have been enjoyable for me...educational really. :)   I have posted that I do not understand the game...it's many nuances ... how one individual can often change a team game.  Very fustrating for me to watch...therefore..remain a poor student.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 01, 2014, 12:51:42 pm
Amh63,
Poor Salem State... everybody is beating on them this year.  It was a good game for the freshman Warriors to get some playing time, and obviously they did  very well!!
I think Coach DeVito will have a pretty good team in 2015-6 and 2016-7 if all these Fr. and So. players pan out.  I really like sophomore forwards Konnor Scarponi and Tyler Jones, both leading scorers this year.  Greg Walton our keeper is pretty solid and we have a very good defense.  Number 1 this year is to get the young players some experience in the college game and hope for bigger things next 2 years!!

BTW, looking forward to another NCAA tourney appearance from the Lord Jeffs this year. The team is just starting to rock and roll :)  Hope everyone stays healthy!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 11, 2014, 09:01:04 pm
Cancer survivor Jon DeCasanova scores his first goal this year and since 2011 to lead ECSU over U of Southern Maine 4-0
http://gowarriorathletics.com/sports/msoc/2014-15/releases/20141011d6edhf
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 16, 2014, 10:47:50 am
Some observations about the Oct 14 NSCAA New England rankings:

#1 Brandeis - the Judges have played and beaten the #s 4, 5, 6, and 7 teams in New England. They have earned #1.

#2 Amherst - defeated #8, tied #s 5 and 9.

#3 Coast Guard - Defeated #7.  Still must play Wheaton and WPI, but seems overrated based on soft schedule to date.

#4 Wheaton - Defeated #6 and 7, lost to #1.  This is a dangerous team with a lot of talent and should be ranked #3.

#5 Tufts - lost to #1 and tied #s 2 and 9

#6 WPI - lost to #s 1 and 4

#7 Babson - defeated #8, lost to #s 1, 3 and 4 as well as nationally ranked #4 (Oneonta).  All 4 losses have been to nationally ranked teams.

#8 Williams - defeated #9, lost to #s 2 and 7.  This ranking seems about right.

#9 Middlebury - Tied #s 2 and 5, lost to #8

#10 Nichols - has not played any of the currently ranked teams

Brandeis and Babson have played the toughest schedules which should help for potential NCAA selection.  Babson does not have a huge margin for error and will likely have to beat WPI and possibly Bowdoin to be comfortable.  Tufts also looks well positioned with a probable win over Williams Saturday.  Brandeis last year (and also this year) swept New England competition and then seems to stumble in conference which leads me to believe that the UAA may for the moment be stronger than the NESCAC and NEWMAC.

Coast Guard and Nichols have not really been sufficiently tested, but this weekend's Coast Guard vs. WPI game should tell us more about each team.  Neither team has much offensive firepower, so I think WPI takes that one 1-0 if either can find the net.  Either Nichols or Gordon, but not both, gets into the NCAA tournament due to weak scheduling.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 18, 2014, 07:14:18 pm
from gowarriorathletics.com:
ECSU defeats Rhode Island College 2-0, but gets mugged in the process, losing two key players to injury.  Having been issued 12 yellow cards through its first 13 matches, Rhode Island accumulated two more in a span of less than three minutes in the first half. One minute later, RIC head coach John Mello was given a red-card ejection. Eastern lost sophomore scoring leader Tyler Jones and  starting sophomore midfielder Nicholas Warren – second on the team in assists – to injuries in the first half, neither of whom returned. Jones left the match in the 17th minute, and Warren followed five minutes later.
Rhode Island College players need to be disciplined, however I think Mello encourages these actions. As well, the referee for this game was A JOKE!!! On the other hand ECSU has the best record in the LEC with respect to fouls, yellow and red cards. This RIC style of play is frankly pathetic !!!!!!!!
This mugging may cost the Warriors a LE Conference title, if Jones and Warren are out for an extended period.   >:(  :o
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 18, 2014, 09:21:12 pm
RIC coach is known to be an absolute nightmare. What led up to him getting the red?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 19, 2014, 10:18:03 am
RIC coach is known to be an absolute nightmare. What led up to him getting the red?

Not sure, however he probably made a poor choice of words to the ref based on some play on the field he did not agree with ::)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 22, 2014, 04:05:52 pm
Regional rankings for 10/22:

1.  Brandeis - consensus best team in New England
2.  Coast Guard - will likely slide with ECSU tie and projected loss at Wheaton Saturday
3.  Tufts
4.  Amherst
5.  Wheaton
6.  Babson - must beat WPI and ECSU to rise
7.  Wesleyan - Trinity and Middlebury games this week put this ranking in jeopardy
8.  Gordon - this may be near their ceiling given the soft schedule
9.  Middlebury - must beat Wesleyan to partially offset loss to Castleton St.
10.  Williams - Middlebury and Wesleyan are best wins so also hurt by Middlebury loss
11.  WPI - must beat Babson to stick

Brandeis, Amherst, Tufts and Wheaton will be a solid top 4 with positions 5-11 up for grabs with some key games this weekend.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 24, 2014, 10:12:32 am
Looking forward to the 10/29 rankings...

1. Brandeis - entrenched at #1, no games this week
2. Tufts - moves to #2 with win vs. Hamilton
3. Amherst - might they take Mt St Mary's lightly, should win and move up to #3
4. Wheaton - key NEWMAC game vs. Coast Guard.  Solidifies position in top 4 with win.
5. Coast Guard - could surprise naysayers with win vs Wheaton and stay at #2.  will slide to #5 with expected 2-1 loss
6. Babson - tough weekend vs WPI and ECSU.  SOS, already among the best in region, will improve.  Could climb with 2 wins or drop out entirely with 2 losses.  Prediction:  1-0 win over WPI, 0-0 tie to ECSU
7. Wesleyan - holds on to #7 with win at Middlebury, loss would drop them to 10 or 11
8. Gordon - holds position with win over Salve Regina
9. Williams - beats Bates and moves up 1 spot as Middlebury drops
10. Middlebury
11. WPI with win or tie vs Babson, OR ECSU with win vs Babson, OR Trinity with win vs. Conn
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 25, 2014, 05:34:14 pm
UMass Dartmouth outplayed Eastern today and deserved the win 1-0.  The Warriors played like the young team that they are today :-[
So, that is basically it for winning the conference and home field advantage, which is not an advantage this year, so maybe that a good thing. They better play a LOT better in the LEC tourney than today, or it will be a short season!!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 26, 2014, 11:17:33 pm
Looking forward to the 10/29 rankings ...

1. Brandeis - entrenched at #1, no games this week
2. Tufts - moves to #2 with win vs. Hamilton
3. Amherst - might they take Mt St Mary's lightly, should win and move up to #3
4. Wheaton - key NEWMAC game vs. Coast Guard.  Solidifies position in top 4 with win.
5. Coast Guard - could surprise naysayers with win vs Wheaton and stay at #2.  will slide to #5 with expected 2-1 loss
6. Babson - tough weekend vs WPI and ECSU.  SOS, already among the best in region, will improve.  Could climb with 2 wins or drop out entirely with 2 losses.  Prediction:  1-0 win over WPI, 0-0 tie to ECSU
7. Wesleyan - holds on to #7 with win at Middlebury, loss would drop them to 10 or 11
8. Gordon - holds position with win over Salve Regina
9. Williams - beats Bates and moves up 1 spot as Middlebury drops
10. Middlebury
11. WPI with win or tie vs Babson, OR ECSU with win vs Babson, OR Trinity with win vs. Conn

After the weekend, here are the rankings that will be released 10/29 (based on a spreadsheet updating last week's NE data sheet):

1. Brandies
2. Tufts
3. Coast Guard- won't hold the #2 spot with two ties
4. Amherst - win vs Mount St Mary would have moved them to #3
5. Wheaton - tied Coast Guard, can't make case for moving past them

2-5 are very closely bunched and all should be in relatively good shape for an at-large selection (if necessary)

6-11 will likely have to finish with a bang to have a shot.  I susptect we may not be happy with the number of teams selected from New England this year.

6. WPI - probably needs to beat MIT and make NEWMAC finals
7. Babson - needs to beat Lasell, Emerson, and make NEWMAC finals
8. Gordon - needs to beat Roger Williams and make CCC finals
9. Middlebury - needs to beat Plymouth St. and make NESCAC finals
10. Wesleyan - needs to beat Conn College and make NESCAC finals
11. Williams - needs to beat Hamilton and make NESCAC finals

It may be a tad difficult for Middlebury, Wesleyan and Williams to ALL make the NESCAC final.  At best, one of these teams may move into position to compete for an at-large berth in the NCAA tournament.  NEWMAC may be in a better position to get 3 in.

The only other teams within reach of the top 11 are UMass-Boston and New England College.  Neither has a prayer of receiving an at large bid.  Bowdoin, Western New England and Nichols are the next tier down.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 30, 2014, 09:10:53 am
After the weekend, here are the rankings that will be released 10/29 (based on a spreadsheet updating last week's NE data sheet):

1. Brandies
2. Tufts
3. Coast Guard- won't hold the #2 spot with two ties
4. Amherst - win vs Mount St Mary would have moved them to #3
5. Wheaton - tied Coast Guard, can't make case for moving past them

2-5 are very closely bunched and all should be in relatively good shape for an at-large selection (if necessary)

6-11 will likely have to finish with a bang to have a shot.  I susptect we may not be happy with the number of teams selected from New England this year.

6. WPI - probably needs to beat MIT and make NEWMAC finals
7. Babson - needs to beat Lasell, Emerson, and make NEWMAC finals
8. Gordon - needs to beat Roger Williams and make CCC finals
9. Middlebury - needs to beat Plymouth St. and make NESCAC finals
10. Wesleyan - needs to beat Conn College and make NESCAC finals
11. Williams - needs to beat Hamilton and make NESCAC finals

It may be a tad difficult for Middlebury, Wesleyan and Williams to ALL make the NESCAC final.  At best, one of these teams may move into position to compete for an at-large berth in the NCAA tournament.  NEWMAC may be in a better position to get 3 in.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 01, 2014, 02:56:19 pm
ECSU's mens soccer season continues to crash and burn, as they trail lowly Plymouth St 1-0 with 20 min left!  Absolutely dead from an offensive standpoint the last 4 games.  Unless they can score to tie, its lights out for this season ???. I guess they can chalk it up to experience for this year :-[.  On to basketball in two weeks :)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 01, 2014, 04:26:42 pm
ECSU squeaks into LEC tourney with 1-1 tie with Plymouth.

BTW, The broadcast from ECSU on Sidestream video was ridiculous today, freezing every couple of minutes especially during second half, made it impossible to watch.  Maybe EZ Stream should be revisited!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 01, 2014, 10:17:45 pm
After the weekend, here are the rankings that will be released 10/29 (based on a spreadsheet updating last week's NE data sheet):

1. Brandies
2. Tufts
3. Coast Guard- won't hold the #2 spot with two ties
4. Amherst - win vs Mount St Mary would have moved them to #3
5. Wheaton - tied Coast Guard, can't make case for moving past them

2-5 are very closely bunched and all should be in relatively good shape for an at-large selection (if necessary)

6-11 will likely have to finish with a bang to have a shot.  I susptect we may not be happy with the number of teams selected from New England this year.

6. WPI - probably needs to beat MIT and make NEWMAC finals
7. Babson - needs to beat Lasell, Emerson, and make NEWMAC finals
8. Gordon - needs to beat Roger Williams and make CCC finals
9. Middlebury - needs to beat Plymouth St. and make NESCAC finals
10. Wesleyan - needs to beat Conn College and make NESCAC finals
11. Williams - needs to beat Hamilton and make NESCAC finals
It may be a tad difficult for Middlebury, Wesleyan and Williams to ALL make the NESCAC final.  At best, one of these teams may move into position to compete for an at-large berth in the NCAA tournament.  NEWMAC may be in a better position to get 3 in.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 01, 2014, 10:40:49 pm
Projected 11/5 NE rankings for the teams still with a shot at a pool C berth (with records and 11/29 SOS:
                           W-L ,   win %,    SOS 
1. Brandeis       (16-1  ,    0.941,    .638)
2. Wheaton      (16-2-2,   0.850     .598)
3. Amherst        (12-1-3,  0.844      .592)
4. Coast Guard (13-1-3,  0.853       .585)
5. Babson         (14-5  ,    0.737      .612)
6. Tufts             (10-2-4,   0.750      .589)
7. WPI              (13-4  ,    0.765      .525)
8 Middlebury     (9-3-4,    0.688      .544)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 02, 2014, 08:31:42 pm
Projected 11/5 NE rankings:

1. Brandeis
2. Wheaton
3. Amherst
4. Coast Guard

5. Babson - must beat MIT, probably would also have to beat or tie Wheaton to avoid dropping below Tufts
6. Tufts
7. Middlebury - would beating Bowdoin be enough?
8. WPI - must beat Coast Guard

Teams in bold should be safe for NCAA tournament selection. 
AQ is only chance for any of the teams below this point

9. Gordon
10. Wesleyan
11. Roger Williams

close behind include Williams, MIT and Bowdoin

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 02, 2014, 09:27:25 pm
As usual your rankings will be wrong. How does Wesleyan crack the top 11 after going 1-1-0 and Williams drops out going 1-1-0 and Bowdoin does not make it going 1-0-1. Both Wesleyan and Williams will drop and Bowdoin will crack it.

Babson moves on top of Tufts?      With wins over Lasell and Emerson...PLEASE

Your hatred for Nescac is beyond obvious.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 02, 2014, 09:49:22 pm
Except that my opinion did not enter into my projected rankings.  I based them on math only.   My spreadsheet's hatred has been exposed.  ;)

Wesleyan is ahead of Williams because they have a better winning % against a better schedule.  Bowdoin's winning % is under .600 against an even weaker schedule.  Babson is mathematcially slightly ahead of Tufts because of a similar winning % against a stronger schedule.

Mr. Right, it is sad that you equate objectivity with hatred.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 03, 2014, 05:36:32 pm
Your spreadsheet sucks. Roger Williams might crack it but I doubt it. Love that you left Gordon in there again. I am pretty sure they are not going to be ranked.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 03, 2014, 05:37:07 pm
My eye test is better than your spreadsheet any day.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 03, 2014, 05:52:58 pm
Any ranking below 8th is not worth getting too worked up about.  The spreadsheet approach does illustrate the eventual limitations of trying to be overly quantitative.  However, the committee does use winning % and SOS, so the spreadsheet does potentially show where they may start before making qualitative adjustments.

It is interesting that creating a spreadsheet and reporting the results is "hate speech" to some in NESCAC-land.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 03, 2014, 06:00:10 pm
My eye test is better than your spreadsheet any day.

And it should be noted that your eye test is 0-2 regarding Gordon, whereas the spreadsheet had them in both time.   0-3 is a reasonable possibility.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 03, 2014, 06:03:26 pm
Lets remember all the missed teams you h ave had. My predictions have been more correct and I do not plug them into a spreadsheet. My experience and soccer IQ helps me more than your Nescac hate
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 03, 2014, 06:16:02 pm
Also #8 and below is not important to you but it IS VERY IMPORTANT to teams #1-#7 because of how it can affect their record vs ranked teams. In 2011, Williams was 9-4-3 and had the best SOS in the country but they were left out of a Pool C because they had a Record v Ranked of 1-4-3.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 03, 2014, 06:49:04 pm
Mr. Right, the only example available is where you even predicted the ranking was on 10/21 for the 10/22 rankings.  Let's compare them to my prediction made 10/18:

      Mr. Right                    Off Pitch                Actual
1.   Brandeis                 1.  Brandeis            1.  Brandeis
2.   Amherst                  2.  Amherst             2. Coast Guard
3.   Tufts                       3.  Wheaton            3. Tufts
4.   Wheaton                4.  Coast Guard       4. Amherst
5.   Wesleyan               5.  Tufts                   5. Wheaton
6.   Coast Guard           6.  Babson               6. Babson
7.   Babson                   7.  Middlebury          7. Wesleyan
8.   Middlebury              8.  WPI                     8. Gordon
9.   Williams                  9.  Wesleyan            9.  Middlebury
10.  Nichols                  10.  Gordon               10. Williams
11.  WPI                       11.  Bowdoin             11. WPI

You overrated Amherst, Wesleyan, Middlebury and Williams - notice a trend? 
I overrated Bowdoin, Middlebury, and Amherst - must be that NESCAC hatred.

My top 8 were still all in the top 8 on 10/29.  You did reasonably will with 7 or your top 8 still present 10/29, but you may have ranked #5 a bit too high.

You are convinced your soccer IQ and experience are demonstrably superior.  Apparently your rankings of the NESCAC schools are not the only things you overrate. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 03, 2014, 06:58:33 pm
I never compared what I ranked on 10-22 to still be there on 10-29. That makes no sense at all. Mr.Right has been more right than an off pitch
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 03, 2014, 07:25:23 pm
IMr.Right has been more right than an off pitch

 ;D Just like you declaring that you won the "argument" as to whether the NESCAC was down a little this year, and less than a week later admitting that it is.  I guess it is better to evolve and be right eventually.  I will enjoy helping you down that path with my hateful numbers and facts.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on November 03, 2014, 07:59:15 pm
Do you guys even know what you are arguing about?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on November 03, 2014, 08:11:58 pm
These two would be great for a New England Soccer rendition of Grumpy Old Men.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 04, 2014, 01:41:33 pm
Projected 11/5 NE rankings:

1. Brandeis
2. Wheaton
3. Amherst
4. Coast Guard

5. Babson - must beat MIT, probably would also have to beat or tie Wheaton to avoid dropping below Tufts
6. Tufts
7. Middlebury - would beating Bowdoin be enough?
8. WPI - must beat Coast Guard

Teams in bold should be safe for NCAA tournament selection. 
AQ is only chance for any of the teams below this point

9. Gordon
10. Wesleyan
11. Roger Williams

close behind include Williams, MIT and Bowdoin

The 11/4 NSCAA rankings are out for New England and match the above exactly with 2 exceptions.  First, Tufts and Babson are swapped.  Second, Nichols is deemed more deserving than Wesleyan (or Bowdoin or Roger Williams) in the top 10.   Tomorrow's real rankings will likely be similar.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 05, 2014, 07:59:22 pm
As usual your rankings will be wrong. How does Wesleyan crack the top 11 after going 1-1-0 and Williams drops out going 1-1-0 and Bowdoin does not make it going 1-0-1. Both Wesleyan and Williams will drop and Bowdoin will crack it.

Babson moves on top of Tufts?      With wins over Lasell and Emerson...PLEASEYour hatred for Nescac is beyond obvious.

Well Mr. Right, despite your vast experience and soccer IQ, Wesleyan does crack the top 11 as I predicted, AND Babson does move past Tufts as I predicted.  You may now refer to me as MR. Off Pitch.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 05, 2014, 08:44:21 pm
You obviously are great at plugging numbers into a computer. HATS OFF. Maybe you should try watching a game or two. If you did you would see that Tufts is a much better team than Babson.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 05, 2014, 09:31:42 pm
It is your opinion that Tufts is better than Babson.  My opinion was simply that Babson would be ranked higher than Tufts.

I don't understand your utter disregard for anyone who has a different opinion or view.  Predicting rankings is not the same as expressing a personal opinion as to which team is actually better.  Predicting rankings simply requires having a basic understanding of how the ranking process works. 

For whatever reason, you took the time to call me out saying that I would be wrong specifically about Wesleyan and Babson/Tufts.  Despite your need to denigrate those with whom you disagree, it doesn't change the fact that I was actually right and you were quite wrong.   
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 05, 2014, 09:39:16 pm
You seem to think you are never wrong. Your rankings have usually been wrong. You got one right. Congrats.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 05, 2014, 09:41:21 pm
2 weeks ago you posted about 7 different times that Williams had to many losses to be ranked in the first rankings. I said they would be and I was RIGHT. You were WRONG as usual
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 05, 2014, 09:44:47 pm
For me being wrong "as usual", with all the recent posts it is surprising that you had to go back two weeks to find an example of where you were correct and I was not. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 05, 2014, 09:48:22 pm
That was one example I remembered. I could go back a couple days and find some nonsense you have spewed.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 05, 2014, 11:11:15 pm
Mr Right - That is real lazy of you to point out that there are more examples of you being right and me being wrong.  Why not give me 3 examples of this or are you too lazy
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 05, 2014, 11:12:10 pm
Im to lazy but I know I am right
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 05, 2014, 11:15:47 pm
at least you know who you are
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on November 05, 2014, 11:37:55 pm
Are you the same person?  ???
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: oldonionbag on November 06, 2014, 09:58:16 am
at least you know who you are

Mind=blown.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 09, 2014, 08:34:30 pm
I've decided to share my secret spreadsheet results for New England inclusive of games through today.

1.  Brandeis
2.  Wheaton
3.  Babson
4.  Amherst
5.  Coast Guard
6.  Tufts
7.  WPI
8.  Nichols
9.  Gordon
10. Wesleyan
11. Middlebury

If New England gets 5 Pool C berths, Tufts should be safe.  WPI is in only if NE gets 6.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 09, 2014, 09:08:26 pm
By the way, the secret spreadsheet shows Brandeis very comfortably #1.  Wheaton, Babson and Amherst come out rated very close to one another.  Then there is a bit of a drop down to Coast Guard, and another clear drop down to Tufts. 

I think WPI may be in serious trouble unless their SOS increased more than I am projecting with this week's games with Coast Guard and Babson.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 10, 2014, 04:41:13 pm
I've decided to share my secret spreadsheet results for New England inclusive of games through today.

1.  Brandeis
2.  Wheaton
3.  Babson
4.  Amherst
5.  Coast Guard
6.  Tufts
7.  WPI
8.  Nichols
9.  Gordon
10. Wesleyan
11. Middlebury

If New England gets 5 Pool C berths, Tufts should be safe.  WPI is in only if NE gets 6.

Brandeis, Wheaton and Babson rewarded with hosting first and second round games.  Good luck to all.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 11, 2014, 01:38:00 pm
New England teams' first round NCAA games:

Nichols (14-2-4) vs. UMass-Boston (14-5-2):  CCC vs Little East.  Massey and Bennett ratings both have these two teams ranked nationally within 3 spots of one another, so this should be a toss-up.  I will take Nichols 2-1.

Franklin & Marshall vs. Johnson & Wales: The RI side will be doing some wailing & gnashing.  F&M will be too much and take this one 3-1.

Brandeis vs. Husson:  In the NAC it was Husson first, Whatson 2nd, I don't know 3rd.  Brandeis coasts 4-0.

Brockport St. vs. Bowdoin: Bowdoin goes on an offensive surge and overcomes Brockport 1-0.

Amherst vs. Fitchburg St:  I'm bullish on Amherst's D in this one.  Amherst runs it up 5-0.

Rutgers-Newark vs. Babson: Babson is hot, but Rut-N is the kind of team that the Beavers have struggled with.  Too close to call, but Rutgers-Newark advances on PKs after a competitive 1-1 match.

Wheaton vs. Daniel Webster: Wheaton whacks woefully weak Webster winning wonderfully 5-0.

Tufts vs. Dickinson: Tufts shakes off the rust and advances 2-1.

Coast Guard vs. Catholic: Coast Guard brings Catholic to their knees 2-0.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jump4Joy on November 11, 2014, 03:07:35 pm
OffPitch, I'm loving it. So punny.  :D
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: oldonionbag on November 12, 2014, 09:20:32 am
What can anyone tell me about Wheaton's field? Good, bad, fast, etc?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 12, 2014, 09:30:24 am
Wheaton has a nice short cut grass field. Just short of 120 v 80 but it is big enough
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: oldonionbag on November 12, 2014, 09:41:31 am
Great- thanks MR
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: D3Soceerfan on November 12, 2014, 12:26:49 pm
Watch out for Babson, Getting hot at the right time of year ( 7 in a row, 10 of last 11)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 12, 2014, 01:13:23 pm
If Babson can get past Rutgers-Newark, I think they will match up better against Cortland St.  Based on Babson's results against elite  caliber competition like Oneonta and Brandeis, playing a competitive game against Messiah is a dream.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 12, 2014, 03:04:55 pm
In the 40 years of the NCAA D3 national tournament, the New England region has been represented in the final game 8 times with 6 championships and 2 runner-up finishes.  The schools with final game history are:

Babson - 3 games, 3 championships
Brandeis - 2 games, 1 championship
Williams - 2 games, 1 championship
Middlebury - 1 game, 1 championship

With Middlebury and Williams sitting the 2014 tournament out, and Babson in a quadrant with Messiah, the region's hopes for a repeat final game appearance rest with Brandeis.

Of the region's other ranked teams, Amherst has a pair of Final 4 appearances and Wheaton has been to one Final 4.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 12, 2014, 03:48:51 pm
In the 40 years of the NCAA D3 national tournament, the New England region has been represented in the final game 8 times with 6 championships and 2 runner-up finishes.  The schools with final game history are:

Babson - 3 games, 3 championships
Brandeis - 2 games, 1 championship
Williams - 2 games, 1 championship
Middlebury - 1 game, 1 championship

With Middlebury and Williams sitting the 2014 tournament out, and Babson in a quadrant with Messiah, the region's hopes for a repeat final game appearance rest with Brandeis.

Of the region's other ranked teams, Amherst has a pair of Final 4 appearances and Wheaton has been to one Final 4.


New England schools have been in 24 NCAA D3 Final 4s:

Williams - 6 times
Babson - 5
Brandeis - 3
Salem St  - 3
Amherst - 2
Bowdoin, Middlebury, Plymouth St, Wheaton, and Westfield St - 1 each

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 23, 2014, 07:58:47 pm
In the 40 years of the NCAA D3 national tournament, the New England region has been represented in the final game 8 times with 6 championships and 2 runner-up finishes.  The schools with final game history are:

Babson - 3 games, 3 championships
Brandeis - 2 games, 1 championship
Williams - 2 games, 1 championship
Middlebury - 1 game, 1 championship

With Middlebury and Williams sitting the 2014 tournament out, and Babson in a quadrant with Messiah, the region's hopes for a repeat final game appearance rest with Brandeis.

Of the region's other ranked teams, Amherst has a pair of Final 4 appearances and Wheaton has been to one Final 4.

New England schools have been in 24 NCAA D3 Final 4s:

Williams - 6 times
Babson - 5
Brandeis - 3
Salem St  - 3
Amherst - 2
Bowdoin, Middlebury, Plymouth St, Wheaton, and Westfield St - 1 each

With Tufts major upset of Messiah today, NE schools will now have been represented in 25 Final 4s.  Records in NCAA semifinals:

Williams      1-4-1
Babson       3-1-1
Brandeis     2-1
Salem St     0-2-1
Amherst      0-2
Middlebury  0-0-1
Plymouth St 0-0-1
Wheaton     0-0-1
Bowdoin      0-1
Westfield St 0-1

NESCAC schools account for 11 of the 25 appearances.

Overall record by New England in the semis:  6-12-6  (0.375)
Overall record by NESCAC schools:                 1- 7- 2  (0.200)
Overall record by non-NESCAC schools:          5- 5- 4  (0.500)

Good luck to Tufts representing the New Enland region Dec 5.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on December 10, 2014, 06:28:23 pm
In the 41 years of the NCAA D3 national tournament, the New England region has been represented in the final game 9 times with 7 championships and 2 runner-up finishes.  The schools with final game history are:

Babson - 3 games, 3 championships
Brandeis - 2 games, 1 championship
Williams - 2 games, 1 championship
Middlebury - 1 game, 1 championship
Tufts - 1 game, 1 championship

Congratulations to Tufts!  The Jumbos are New England's 5th team to win the national championship and they represent the region's 7th championship in 41 tournaments.  NESCAC schools now have 3 of the region's 7 championships.

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on December 11, 2014, 03:52:24 pm
2014 NSCAA/Continental Tire NCAA Division III Men's All-New England Region

http://www.nscaa.com/news/2014/12/2014-nscaa-continental-tire-ncaa-division-iii-men-s-all-new-england-region

First Team            
Pos. Player                Class                  School                                   Hometown
K Richard Burns          Sr.     United States Coast Guard Academy    Long Beach, Calif.
D Ben Bratt                Sr.                 Wesleyan                               Winchester, Mass.
D Brandon Currier       Sr.          New England College                    Merrimack, N.H.
D Conor Lanahan        Jr.                  Brandeis                              Avon, Conn.
D Sam Williams         Sr.                   Tufts                                  Thetford Center, Vt.
M Caleb Cole             So.                Gordon                                 Coatesville, Pa.
M Luke Finklestein      Sr.          Wheaton (Mass.)                         Peabody, Mass.
M Justin Laurenzo     Sr.                 Babson                                 Park Ridge, N.J.
F Travis Blair             Sr.           Wheaton (Mass.)                         Hastings, N.Y.
F Greg Conrad         So.                Middlebury                              Peabody, Mass.
F Alexis Garcia         So.           Albertus Magnus                          West Haven, Conn.
F Tyler Savonen       Sr.                  Brandeis                               Orleans, Mass.
             
Second Team                
Pos. Player   Class   School Hometown
K Greg Sydor          So.            Middlebury                     Madison, Conn.
D Kevin Davis         So.          Wheaton (Mass.)              Beacon, N.Y.
D Ryan Malone        Sr.          Springfield                      Chicopee, Mass.
D Gabriel Wirz        Sr.          Amherst                         New York, N.Y.
M Emmanuel Aseidu  Sr.     Rhode Island College            Lincoln, R.I.
M Rizy Misiri            So.     New England College            Concord, N.H.
M Josh Ocel            So.         Brandeis                        North Attleboro, Mass.
M Michael Perry        Sr.          Nichols                        Plainville, Mass.
F Dakota Duplissie     Sr.       Thomas                        Hampden, Maine
F Zach Grady             Sr.       Williams                       East Bridgewater, Mass.
F Nico Pascual-Leone  Jr.        Amherst                      Wayland, Mass.
             
Third Team             
Pos. Player   Class   School Hometown
K Greg Walton          So.       Eastern Connecticut State          Brunswick, Maine
D Christian Albrecht     Jr.        Norwich                            Albuquerque, N.M.
D Geoff Danilack       Jr.         Williams                               Rockville, Md.
D Nabil Odulate        Jr.         Bowdoin                               Ellicott City, Md.
M Eric Crevoiserat     Sr     Worcester Polytechnic Institute   Worcester, Mass.
M Pat Devlin            So.     Connecticut College                Washington Crossing, Pa.
M Charlie Gruner     So.        Wesleyan                             Stevenson, Md.
M Douglas Silveira     Sr.     Massachusetts-Boston              Revere, Mass.
F  Andrew Carlson     Sr.     Roger Williams                       Ridgefield, Conn.
F  Maxime Hoppenot  Sr.         Tufts                                  Princeton, N.J.
F  Michael Soboff     Sr.        Brandeis                                 Framingham, Mass.
                 
Fourth Team             
Pos. Player   Class   School Hometown
K Aidan McParland     Sr.     University of New England                Brockville, Ont.
D Cooper D'Ambrosio   Jr.     Eastern Connecticut State            Andover, Conn.
D Erik Holmquist        So.     University of New England              Gothenburg, Sweden
D Deklan Robinson     Jr.     Middlebury                               Gloucester, Mass.
M Tyler Carlos           Jr.       Babson                                  Prospect, Conn.
M Nick Gilman           Sr.       Curry                                 Longmeadow, Mass.
M Jake Picard           Jr.       Brandeis                                West Suffield, Conn.
F  Pedro Dasilva       Jr.     Massachusetts-Boston                  Fogo, Cape Verde
F  Phil Frost             Jr.         Husson                                    Bangor, Maine
F  Elton Teixeira       Jr.     Massachusetts-Boston                   Boston, Mass.
F  Alex Wasilewski     Sr.     Salve Regina                             San Juan Capistrano, Calif.

Congratulations to all players recognized for an outstanding season!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Brother Flounder on December 11, 2014, 04:17:53 pm
I think this voting occurs pretty early. Wish it took place after the NCAA tourney.  I would like to have seen a few more from Tufts since they won the NCAA, like Kayne, Santos, Kramer, Brown, or Pinheiro, etc......
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on December 11, 2014, 05:11:25 pm
BF, just curious.  Why are you posting the above in every thread? 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Brother Flounder on December 11, 2014, 07:10:33 pm
BF, just curious.  Why are you posting the above in every thread?

Oh..because it was brought up in different threads and I responded
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on December 11, 2014, 09:14:08 pm
Brother Flounder do not respond to this. You can post whenever and wherever you want. He is a Nescac hater and is bothering you because of that.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Brother Flounder on December 12, 2014, 05:39:01 pm
Brother Flounder do not respond to this. You can post whenever and wherever you want. He is a Nescac hater and is bothering you because of that.

That's too bad..... I don't bash on his conference.......
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on December 12, 2014, 06:36:39 pm
Brother Flounder do not respond to this. You can post whenever and wherever you want. He is a Nescac hater and is bothering you because of that.

That's too bad..... I don't bash on his conference.......

BF, I don't know if you are a 17 year old high school fan, a 50 year old alum, or something in between.  At any rate, let me correct the distortion you are responding to.

I am far from a NESCAC "hater" and I haven't "bashed" on the NESCAC.  I've admitted when I've been wrong which I've seen very few posters do on this site.   I've mostly defended Amherst all year and I have my NESCAC preferences like Wesleyan (mostly because I like the coach).  Even though I posted some negative-sounding posts about Tufts early on, I also noted early on how much talent they had and that if they put it together they would be very dangerous.  Again, easy to forget now, but no one, not even you, thought they were going to win the national title 3-4 weeks ago.  My own kid almost went to a NESCAC.  I've also consistently said, over two years here, that NESCAC is the #1 conference and at worst #2. 

What is true is that I don't idolize the NESCAC.  The regionalization does rub me a bit the wrong way, and as someone already very familiar with all of the NESCAC schools and many of the players, I like seeing some of the attention focused on other areas.  I like hearing stories about incredible kids from a Wartburg or Whitworth or Lynchburg.  This site tends to be dominated by the NESCAC and Messiah, and that was before the NESCAC mania went through the roof over the past couple of weeks.   And I find some of the cheerleading a bit over the top as well as the push to make Tufts the greatest team in history with the idea that they deserve their entire starting 11 as the First Team All-American squad.

The other fellow, most of the time, does provide great information.  He obviously is very knowledgeable and must be somebody in the business or wired in somehow to get some of his stuff.  We can agree to disagree about whether he should be publishing all of those details.  That said, he occasionally gets tweaked by something and never lets go.  His thing with me started with Corazon criticizing the recruiting at Williams and using Kenyon as an example. I actually defended Mr.Right's (then LaPaz) position on that, but he restarted a whole thread with that as half of his lead-in, and then ever since he has reacted to anything said about Kenyon and has gone out of his way to do so.  Case in point, when Calvin was on the ropes in their first game with Rose Hulman he very intentionally commented that OWU would have an easy road to the Elite 8 if Calvin lost which was all just do he could throw another diss out at Kenyon. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Brother Flounder on December 12, 2014, 06:53:13 pm
Brother Flounder do not respond to this. You can post whenever and wherever you want. He is a Nescac hater and is bothering you because of that.

That's too bad..... I don't bash on his conference.......

BF, I don't know if you are a 17 year old high school fan, a 50 year old alum, or something in between.  At any rate, let me correct the distortion you are responding to.

I am far from a NESCAC "hater" and I haven't "bashed" on the NESCAC.  I've admitted when I've been wrong which I've seen very few posters do on this site.   I've mostly defended Amherst all year and I have my NESCAC preferences like Wesleyan (mostly because I like the coach).  Even though I posted some negative-sounding posts about Tufts early on, I also noted early on how much talent they had and that if they put it together they would be very dangerous.  Again, easy to forget now, but no one, not even you, thought they were going to win the national title 3-4 weeks ago.  My own kid almost went to a NESCAC.  I've also consistently said, over two years here, that NESCAC is the #1 conference and at worst #2. 

What is true is that I don't idolize the NESCAC.  The regionalization does rub me a bit the wrong way, and as someone already very familiar with all of the NESCAC schools and many of the players, I like seeing some of the attention focused on other areas.  I like hearing stories about incredible kids from a Wartburg or Whitworth or Lynchburg.  This site tends to be dominated by the NESCAC and Messiah, and that was before the NESCAC mania went through the roof over the past couple of weeks.   And I find some of the cheerleading a bit over the top as well as the push to make Tufts the greatest team in history with the idea that they deserve their entire starting 11 as the First Team All-American squad.

The other fellow, most of the time, does provide great information.  He obviously is very knowledgeable and must be somebody in the business or wired in somehow to get some of his stuff.  We can agree to disagree about whether he should be publishing all of those details.  That said, he occasionally gets tweaked by something and never lets go.  His thing with me started with Corazon criticizing the recruiting at Williams and using Kenyon as an example. I actually defended Mr.Right's (then LaPaz) position on that, but he restarted a whole thread with that as half of his lead-in, and then ever since he has reacted to anything said about Kenyon and has gone out of his way to do so.  Case in point, when Calvin was on the ropes in their first game with Rose Hulman he very intentionally commented that OWU would have an easy road to the Elite 8 if Calvin lost which was all just do he could throw another diss out at Kenyon.

I don't know your history and I really don't care. I was just responding to Mr. Right.  I, for one, did not say all Tufts 11 should be on the first team. I mentioned 2 or 3 more players, which I believe certain merit should be given because of their performance and the NCAA Championship, which is extremely hard to accomplish, especially the way Tufts did it.  Did anyone say more than  a few players deserved it.  I wasn't he only one mentioning these players...Look, I picked Tufts and Bowdoin as darkhorses a few weeks ago because of Tufts all around talent and Bowdoin's performance in the NESCAC playoffs. I was right on one. Maybe you can say I got lucky..but I was right about one of them. I recognized Tufts as an extremely balanced team having lived in Medford and watching them play a few times.  I saw how dangerous Santos was, how Kayne controlled the tempo, how Greenwood stopped shots, etc.....Not many picked Tufts. Sure, I noticed that you didn't think much of Tufts coach to vote him in your top 3.  I didn't respond to my feelings about your choices. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I respect them. I don't have to idolize the NESCAC. I watched the Tufts v Messiah game on computer. I know how good Messiah is.  I watched the final four games on computer. Tufts dominated OWU (emptying their bench..when was the last time you saw that so early in a game) and played well enough against Wheaton to win the Championship.

I don't know if you are 17 or 50 or where you exactly stand with the NESCAC or other conferences...and I don't really care...You are entitled to your own opinions.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on December 12, 2014, 07:04:08 pm
BF, before the Final Four I voted Shapiro #4, out of all of the coaches in the country and ahead of notables like the Brandeis and Kenyon coaches.  After the Final Four, I would vote him #1 by a landslide.  At the time I voted, Byrne, Guiliano and Martin weren't bad choices.

A darkhorse pick is different than someone's real #1 pick (unless we have a different understanding of what darkhorse means).  I you keep saying you were right.  What does that mean?  That you are prescient?

And you keep saying you watched the games on the computer.  Most of us did, so I'm not sure what that means either.  That your viewing skills are better?  Don't get it.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on December 12, 2014, 07:06:09 pm
I am far from a NESCAC "hater" and I haven't "bashed" on the NESCAC.  I've admitted when I've been wrong which I've seen very few posters do on this site.   I've mostly defended Amherst all year and I have my NESCAC preferences like Wesleyan (mostly because I like the coach).  Even though I posted some negative-sounding posts about Tufts early on, I also noted early on how much talent they had and that if they put it together they would be very dangerous.  Again, easy to forget now, but no one, not even you, thought they were going to win the national title 3-4 weeks ago.  My own kid almost went to a NESCAC.  I've also consistently said, over two years here, that NESCAC is the #1 conference and at worst #2. 

Just gonna say that, in my opinion, NCAC is one of the most pragmatic members of this board. And—like myself—he did in fact say that Tufts could be very dangerous if they put it all together. I, too, doubted Tufts, but also recognized that they were a good team and could go on a run if they got it together, which obviously they did. Hindsight is 20/20.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Brother Flounder on December 12, 2014, 07:14:13 pm
BF, before the Final Four I voted Shapiro #4, out of all of the coaches in the country and ahead of notables like the Brandeis and Kenyon coaches.  After the Final Four, I would vote him #1 by a landslide.  At the time I voted, Byrne, Guiliano and Martin weren't bad choices.

A darkhorse pick is different than someone's real #1 pick (unless we have a different understanding of what darkhorse means).  I you keep saying you were right.  What does that mean?  That you are prescient?

And you keep saying you watched the games on the computer.  Most of us did, so I'm not sure what that means either.  That your viewing skills are better?  Don't get it.

I am not going to get into a drawn out argument. It's not worth it to me.  Most everyone would have picked Messiah... I said Tufts was a dark horse, responding to the  thread topic. Not many did that. That is all I am saying. No one has to read anything more into it.  If it makes you feel better, I will say from now on that I saw or watched the games...and leave it at that.  Kind of irrelevant to me but I will now state it in a way that satisfies you...Kind of miniscule stuff but I will adhere.  Go ahead, give me another negative karma.....
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Brother Flounder on December 12, 2014, 07:16:21 pm
I am far from a NESCAC "hater" and I haven't "bashed" on the NESCAC.  I've admitted when I've been wrong which I've seen very few posters do on this site.   I've mostly defended Amherst all year and I have my NESCAC preferences like Wesleyan (mostly because I like the coach).  Even though I posted some negative-sounding posts about Tufts early on, I also noted early on how much talent they had and that if they put it together they would be very dangerous.  Again, easy to forget now, but no one, not even you, thought they were going to win the national title 3-4 weeks ago.  My own kid almost went to a NESCAC.  I've also consistently said, over two years here, that NESCAC is the #1 conference and at worst #2. 

Just gonna say that, in my opinion, NCAC is one of the most pragmatic members of this board. And—like myself—he did in fact say that Tufts could be very dangerous if they put it all together. I, too, doubted Tufts, but also recognized that they were a good team and could go on a run if they got it together, which obviously they did. Hindsight is 20/20.

I can respect that he or she is pragmatic (and I do note some good things he or she says) but some of his or her comments to me have be a bit more aggressive or personal.... but, hey, I have thick skin...no sweat.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on December 12, 2014, 07:31:13 pm
My last post on this.

I see you added to your other post to say that Tufts beat OWU so bad they got to empty their bench.  Please go find my posts about that game.  I wrote that Tufts embarrassed OWU.  They annihilated them.  I also said Tufts was a very deserving champion, had gone through a tough draw, played great, truly impressive, etc, etc.  But do I think Tufts would annihilate OWU if they played 10 more times?  No, I don't, although I would guess Tufts would win 7 out of 10 with maybe a couple of draws thrown in.  If the tournament started from scratch, are you sure Tufts would win again?  I think I am reacting to you making statements that come across as some kind of proof of something or an eternal truth.  A lot of things are true.  Tufts tied MIT, lost to Brandeis, and lost to Conn College.  In the first game of the NCAAs, they were tied with Dickinson going into the last 14-15 minutes (a Dickinson team most thought didn't deserve a bid).
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Nutmeg on December 12, 2014, 09:43:16 pm
My last post on this.

I see you added to your other post to say that Tufts beat OWU so bad they got to empty their bench.  Please go find my posts about that game.  I wrote that Tufts embarrassed OWU.  They annihilated them.  I also said Tufts was a very deserving champion, had gone through a tough draw, played great, truly impressive, etc, etc.  But do I think Tufts would annihilate OWU if they played 10 more times?  No, I don't, although I would guess Tufts would win 7 out of 10 with maybe a couple of draws thrown in.  If the tournament started from scratch, are you sure Tufts would win again?  I think I am reacting to you making statements that come across as some kind of proof of something or an eternal truth.  A lot of things are true.  Tufts tied MIT, lost to Brandeis, and lost to Conn College.  In the first game of the NCAAs, they were tied with Dickinson going into the last 14-15 minutes (a Dickinson team most thought didn't deserve a bid).

NCAC, in all honesty, and with all due respect, none of that matters. Tufts IS the national champion. I think you may be reading too much into the Flounder's posts.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on December 13, 2014, 10:21:21 am
Nutmeg, in pure candor, and with the utmost respect, I'm not sure where you are coming from.

Have you seen anyone question the legitimacy of Tufts' national title?  Their remarkable run through the tournament has been widely praised, including by all non-NESCAC posters.  And almost all posters, including myself, have gone out of their way to emphasize that winning the title was well-earned and not a fluke.

The rub, for me (to the extent there is one and my responses to you and BF are making the rub seem much bigger than it actually is), has to do with some of the logic I've seen and the amount of post-title Tufts hype, and when you suggest "none of that matters," that is what that information was about.  There was the argument that Tufts would beat OWU because of SOS, which made no sense.  OWU isn't some backwater program that has never played good competition, and on those measures OWU was by far the more experienced, tournament-tested squad.  Then there was suggesting a ton of credit should be given to a "darkhorse" prediction as though something very insightful happened, when, in all candor, a NESCAC fan picked the two NESCAC teams (as Amherst was off-the-table as not qualifying as a darkhorse type of team) available in the tournament.  I believe you chimed in or another of the NESCAC posters and followed up by suggesting you wouldn't be surprised if Tufts made a run to the Sweet 16 (very different than definitely predicting Tufts would win the title).

Now, on to the post-title hype.  It has seemed that some of the NESCAC faithful, after all agreed that Tufts was a very, very good team and very, very deserving, have wanted even more affirmations and confirmations of greatness.  With all due respect, I think you started a new thread within 24 hours titled something like "Where does Tufts rank in terms of Best Ever?"  BF was the first poster after you started the thread endorsing the same sentiment.  And then we've gotten the complaints and pleas about how many Tufts players should have made the All American teams (with one particular post pasted into multiple threads).

I'll put this another way.  IF my team had won the national title I can't imagine that it even would have occurred to me to wonder or be concerned about "best ever."  The title would have been more than enough to satiate me.  And, in all honesty, perhaps it is my envy about my team not winning a national title that has me sensitive to the "give us even more, more, more" after your team (is it team or conference?) did win it all.  I can assure you that the players from any of the tournament participants would gladly give up any of their individual accolades in exchange for having that championship trophy.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Brother Flounder on December 13, 2014, 11:54:32 am
Nutmeg, in pure candor, and with the utmost respect, I'm not sure where you are coming from.

Have you seen anyone question the legitimacy of Tufts' national title?  Their remarkable run through the tournament has been widely praised, including by all non-NESCAC posters.  And almost all posters, including myself, have gone out of their way to emphasize that winning the title was well-earned and not a fluke.

The rub, for me (to the extent there is one and my responses to you and BF are making the rub seem much bigger than it actually is), has to do with some of the logic I've seen and the amount of post-title Tufts hype, and when you suggest "none of that matters," that is what that information was about.  There was the argument that Tufts would beat OWU because of SOS, which made no sense.  OWU isn't some backwater program that has never played good competition, and on those measures OWU was by far the more experienced, tournament-tested squad.  Then there was suggesting a ton of credit should be given to a "darkhorse" prediction as though something very insightful happened, when, in all candor, a NESCAC fan picked the two NESCAC teams (as Amherst was off-the-table as not qualifying as a darkhorse type of team) available in the tournament.  I believe you chimed in or another of the NESCAC posters and followed up by suggesting you wouldn't be surprised if Tufts made a run to the Sweet 16 (very different than definitely predicting Tufts would win the title).

Now, on to the post-title hype.  It has seemed that some of the NESCAC faithful, after all agreed that Tufts was a very, very good team and very, very deserving, have wanted even more affirmations and confirmations of greatness.  With all due respect, I think you started a new thread within 24 hours titled something like "Where does Tufts rank in terms of Best Ever?"  BF was the first poster after you started the thread endorsing the same sentiment.  And then we've gotten the complaints and pleas about how many Tufts players should have made the All American teams (with one particular post pasted into multiple threads).

I'll put this another way.  IF my team had won the national title I can't imagine that it even would have occurred to me to wonder or be concerned about "best ever."  The title would have been more than enough to satiate me.  And, in all honesty, perhaps it is my envy about my team not winning a national title that has me sensitive to the "give us even more, more, more" after your team (is it team or conference?) did win it all.  I can assure you that the players from any of the tournament participants would gladly give up any of their individual accolades in exchange for having that championship trophy.

okay..okay......and thanks for the negative karma once again...and u complain about Mr. right.........
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Nutmeg on December 13, 2014, 07:18:15 pm
Nutmeg, in pure candor, and with the utmost respect, I'm not sure where you are coming from.

Have you seen anyone question the legitimacy of Tufts' national title?  Their remarkable run through the tournament has been widely praised, including by all non-NESCAC posters.  And almost all posters, including myself, have gone out of their way to emphasize that winning the title was well-earned and not a fluke.

The rub, for me (to the extent there is one and my responses to you and BF are making the rub seem much bigger than it actually is), has to do with some of the logic I've seen and the amount of post-title Tufts hype, and when you suggest "none of that matters," that is what that information was about.  There was the argument that Tufts would beat OWU because of SOS, which made no sense.  OWU isn't some backwater program that has never played good competition, and on those measures OWU was by far the more experienced, tournament-tested squad.  Then there was suggesting a ton of credit should be given to a "darkhorse" prediction as though something very insightful happened, when, in all candor, a NESCAC fan picked the two NESCAC teams (as Amherst was off-the-table as not qualifying as a darkhorse type of team) available in the tournament.  I believe you chimed in or another of the NESCAC posters and followed up by suggesting you wouldn't be surprised if Tufts made a run to the Sweet 16 (very different than definitely predicting Tufts would win the title).

Now, on to the post-title hype.  It has seemed that some of the NESCAC faithful, after all agreed that Tufts was a very, very good team and very, very deserving, have wanted even more affirmations and confirmations of greatness.  With all due respect, I think you started a new thread within 24 hours titled something like "Where does Tufts rank in terms of Best Ever?"  BF was the first poster after you started the thread endorsing the same sentiment.  And then we've gotten the complaints and pleas about how many Tufts players should have made the All American teams (with one particular post pasted into multiple threads).

I'll put this another way.  IF my team had won the national title I can't imagine that it even would have occurred to me to wonder or be concerned about "best ever."  The title would have been more than enough to satiate me.  And, in all honesty, perhaps it is my envy about my team not winning a national title that has me sensitive to the "give us even more, more, more" after your team (is it team or conference?) did win it all.  I can assure you that the players from any of the tournament participants would gladly give up any of their individual accolades in exchange for having that championship trophy.


Hmmmm
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on January 05, 2015, 10:30:08 pm
Not sure if these players have been recognized on this site, but the following were named to the Academic All-District team:

FIRST TEAM
Pos.         Name                   School                    Yr.        Hometown         GPA          Major
GK   Aidan McParland    U. OF NEW ENGLAND   Sr.   Brockville, Ontario   3.92   Medical biology
D   Jason Adler           MIT                           Sr.    Scarsdale, N.Y.         3.76   Mathematics
D   Andrew Gonzalez   BABSON                   Jr.   Durham, Conn.         3.62   Business Mgmt
D   Conor Lanahan           BRANDEIS                   Jr.   Avon, Conn.         3.41   Biochemistry
D   Gabriel Wirz           AMHERST                    Sr.   New York, N.Y.         3.65   Psychology
M   Chester Chambers   MIT                           Sr.   Columbia, Md.         4.00   Chemical Eng.
M   Justin Laurenzo           BABSON                   Sr.   Park Ridge, N.J.         3.80   Finance
M   Kurt Naugler          WPI                         Jr.   Westford, Mass.         3.96   Mechanical Eng
F   Adam Glaser          MIDDLEBURY           So.   Washington, D.C.     3.78   Undeclared
F   Tyler Savonen          BRANDEIS                   Sr.   Orleans, Mass.         3.60   Econ / business
F   Oscar Zapta          CLARK                   Sr.   Lima, Peru                 3.60   Mgmt / Econ


Congratulations to all of these fine student-athletes.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Brother Flounder on January 05, 2015, 10:46:28 pm
Not sure if these players have been recognized on this site, but the following were named to the Academic All-District team:

FIRST TEAM
Pos.         Name                   School                    Yr.        Hometown         GPA          Major
GK   Aidan McParland    U. OF NEW ENGLAND   Sr.   Brockville, Ontario   3.92   Medical biology
D   Jason Adler           MIT                           Sr.    Scarsdale, N.Y.         3.76   Mathematics
D   Andrew Gonzalez   BABSON                   Jr.   Durham, Conn.         3.62   Business Mgmt
D   Conor Lanahan           BRANDEIS                   Jr.   Avon, Conn.         3.41   Biochemistry
D   Gabriel Wirz           AMHERST                    Sr.   New York, N.Y.         3.65   Psychology
M   Chester Chambers   MIT                           Sr.   Columbia, Md.         4.00   Chemical Eng.
M   Justin Laurenzo           BABSON                   Sr.   Park Ridge, N.J.         3.80   Finance
M   Kurt Naugler          WPI                         Jr.   Westford, Mass.         3.96   Mechanical Eng
F   Adam Glaser          MIDDLEBURY           So.   Washington, D.C.     3.78   Undeclared
F   Tyler Savonen          BRANDEIS                   Sr.   Orleans, Mass.         3.60   Econ / business
F   Oscar Zapta          CLARK                   Sr.   Lima, Peru                 3.60   Mgmt / Econ


Congratulations to all of these fine student-athletes.

Yes, congrats to all!!!
Title: /
Post by: Off Pitch on January 05, 2015, 11:09:09 pm
Also, McParland of U of New England and Laurenzo of Babson were named First Team Academic All-Americans!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on January 07, 2015, 09:34:31 am
New England representation on the D3soccer.com All-American Team

Defender of the Year: Conor Lanahan (Jr.), Brandeis

FIRST TEAM
D Conor Lanahan Jr. Brandeis
D Sam Williams Sr. Tufts

SECOND TEAM
M Justin Laurenzo Sr. Babson
GK Joe Graffy Sr. Brandeis

THIRD TEAM
M Luke Finkelstein Sr. Wheaton (Mass.)
D Gabriel Wirz Sr. Amherst

2014 MEN'S COACH OF THE YEAR
Josh Shapiro, Tufts (16-2-4) - 2014 National Champions

Interesting representation: Brandeis 2, NESCAC 2, NEWMAC 2.  Congratulations to all those honored.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on January 11, 2015, 09:11:04 pm
With Russo's retirement with 428 wins in 36 seasons, who are the winningest active coaches in New England?  I can come up with five who have over 300 wins, but I'm probably missing someone.  Anyone else?

Coven (Brandeis) - 494 wins (42 years)
Anderson (Babson) - 358 wins (29 years)
Saward (Middlebury) - 324 wins (30 seasons)
Cushing (Wheaton) - 305 wins (21 years)
Cook (Roger Williams) - 304 wins (23 years)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on January 11, 2015, 09:20:02 pm
With Russo's retirement with 428 wins in 36 seasons, who are the winningest active coaches in New England?  I can come up with five who have over 300 wins, but I'm probably missing someone.  Anyone else?

Coven (Brandeis) - 494 wins (42 years)
Anderson (Babson) - 358 wins (29 years)
Saward (Middlebury) - 324 wins (30 years)
Cushing (Wheaton) - 305 wins (21 years)
Cook (Roger Williams) - 304 wins (23 years)

Also, it is probably no coincidence that Babson, Brandeis, Williams and Middlebury have had all of New England's national championships until this season.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on January 14, 2015, 12:53:52 am
Active--- maybe Shaun Griffin at Hobart / Plymouth State might have 300 wins. I would be willing to bet he is at 250-300.
Recently retired / fired-----Ron Butcher at Keene State and Peter Haley at Springfield would most likely be in there if you are including there D2 days and even for Keene St NAIA
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on January 14, 2015, 12:57:06 am
With Russo's retirement with 428 wins in 36 seasons, who are the winningest active coaches in New England?  I can come up with five who have over 300 wins, but I'm probably missing someone.  Anyone else?

Coven (Brandeis) - 494 wins (42 years)
Anderson (Babson) - 358 wins (29 years)
Saward (Middlebury) - 324 wins (30 years)
Cushing (Wheaton) - 305 wins (21 years)
Cook (Roger Williams) - 304 wins (23 years)

Also, it is probably no coincidence that Babson, Brandeis, Williams and Middlebury have had all of New England's national championships until this season.






No coincidence that comparing Cushing and Saward that we are looking at SOS and games played putting asterisks next to most of these records for all this stuff
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on January 14, 2015, 09:58:09 am


The only asterisk is Middlebury when they tied up that National Championship.    What formation did they play then; 5-4-1?  6-3-1?   Or was the GK a machine.  Didn't watch the game or even look up the box score but two 0-0 draws...
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on January 14, 2015, 11:24:03 pm
Midd in 2007 was a very good team for a couple reasons. The GK Bush was phenomenal all year and they were VERY athletic which is their trademark. They played a standard 4-4-2 with the wing middies pinched defensively to clog everything up. They had Robbie Ftorek's(NHL) son Casey as their striker. He single handily helped Union College into the NCAA's in 2005 before transferring to Middlebury.Union is D1 Hockey and the hockey coach told Casey to forget about the cleats. Casey told him where to stick it and went to Midd and was actually a way more productive soccer player than hockey player. Shows how much Union cares about Soccer that Jeff Guinn can continually hold on to that job since I believe the late 1980's that has severely under performed recruiting in my opinion. Midd had some great team players with Banada,Germansky,Edwards, LaRocca,etc. I am probably missing some but they were a tough out and HARD to break down. I agree not scoring a goal and winning the championship is a disaster but if I am correct they did not LET UP A GOAL IN 6 NCAA GAMES. Honestly, that is unheard of. I know they played Williams,York,Trinity,Loras and maybe Amherst I cannot quite remember. Still impressive. They also had some tremendous luck which we all need
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on January 15, 2015, 09:49:09 am

They beat Amherst on NESCAC final 1-0, Wheaton MA 2-0, Williams 3-0, York 2-0, Loras 0-0, Trinity 0-0.

In 2004 Messiah did it, and that might be the only other time it has happened. 
 First Round - Bye -
 Second Round Grantham, PA Westminster College (PA) Messiah 5-0
 Sectional Semifinals Wilmington, OH Allegheny College Messiah 5-0
 Sectional Finals Wilmington, OH Wartburg College Messiah 2-0
 Semifinals Greensboro, NC Salisbury University Messiah 1-0
 Finals Greensboro, NC University of California, Santa Cruz Messiah 4-0
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Alo35 on April 23, 2015, 03:57:20 pm
@ECSUalum Looks like your team lost a few players in the offseason to transfers. What do you think of the two players decisions to leave?

Nic Warren transferring to Cal Lutheran.
Greg Walton transferring to The University of Vermont.

Are there transfer situations happening that could impact other teams in New England next season?!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on June 20, 2015, 06:27:09 pm
@ECSUalum Looks like your team lost a few players in the offseason to transfers. What do you think of the two players decisions to leave?

Nic Warren transferring to Cal Lutheran.
Greg Walton transferring to The University of Vermont.

Are there transfer situations happening that could impact other teams in New England next season?!
alo35,
Both these guys were key starters for ECSU last season.  Walton was from Maine and I suppose wanted to be closer to home, but did a tremendous job in his sophomore year averaging just 0.61 goals per game. As Eastern was not a good goal scoring team they will miss their excellent goal tender.  Warren another sophomore last year  will be missed in the mid field!!  Cal Lutheran, Huh, have no clue why he would go out there.  Looks like they may have lost Connor Scarponi, a soph transfer from Maine Maritime last year, also from Maine who was a quick winger and had a couple of goals last year.
Thanks for the heads up I really did not see these guys leaving.  Where did you see this info?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Ishmael55 on June 21, 2015, 02:47:10 pm
Cal Lutheran, Huh, have no clue why he would go out there

With all respect to Willamantic, CT, many would view Thousand Oaks CA a preferable destination.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on June 22, 2015, 08:30:41 am
Cal Lutheran, Huh, have no clue why he would go out there

With all respect to Willamantic, CT, many would view Thousand Oaks CA a preferable destination.
Really was not referring to the geographic location, more like the soccer program!! Perhaps his family moved out there, puzzling!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: amh63 on June 22, 2015, 11:28:26 am
ECSU....my friend...hope you are well.  There is a poster on the boards...primarily on the Nescac MBB board...that is a Cal Lutheran alum.  He has a nephew on the Williams MBB team...a senior, I believe.  His "handle" is Madzillagd.  I hope that is correct.  I refer to him as Madz...since I tend to forget things.
I am aware of Cal Lutheran's tennis team since several CAC schools play them and the cited poster is a former Tennis player.
Anyway, if interested, he may provide an alum's assessment of the soccer program.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on June 24, 2015, 03:41:45 pm
ECSU....my friend...hope you are well.  There is a poster on the boards...primarily on the Nescac MBB board...that is a Cal Lutheran alum.  He has a nephew on the Williams MBB team...a senior, I believe.  His "handle" is Madzillagd.  I hope that is correct.  I refer to him as Madz...since I tend to forget things.
I am aware of Cal Lutheran's tennis team since several CAC schools play them and the cited poster is a former Tennis player.
Anyway, if interested, he may provide an alum's assessment of the soccer program.
Hello amh63
Boy the seasons just fly by don't they? Soccer next then back to Basketball!!
Hope your well and talk to you later on in the fall
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on June 26, 2015, 10:50:14 am
Brandeis has released their 2015 schedule - http://www.brandeisjudges.com/sports/msoc/2015-16/schedule

Non-conference games of note:

Sept 4 - (n) Hardin-Simmons
Sept 5 - at Trinity TX
Sept 12 - Babson
Sept 26 - at Tufts
Sept 29 - at Wheaton MA
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on June 26, 2015, 01:56:16 pm
Brandeis has released their 2015 schedule - http://www.brandeisjudges.com/sports/msoc/2015-16/schedule

Non-conference games of note:

Sept 4 - (n) Hardin-Simmons
Sept 5 - at Trinity TX
Sept 12 - Babson
Sept 26 - at Tufts
Sept 29 - at Wheaton MA

Wow! That non-conference slate on top of the UAA schedule makes for a vey tough season (with a ton of travel).
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on June 26, 2015, 07:46:16 pm
What Brandeis has done over the last few years, and I assume Coven is to be credited (especially with such a revival very late on in his career), really is phenomenal.  The magical Tufts run in some ways ended up overshadowing how good Brandeis was last year.  All the way up to the NCAA tourney Brandeis arguably was THE story in New England in D3.  Will be interesting to see how the next couple of years go.  And kudos on going to play Trinity.  The programs who take their allowed overseas trips and schedule great early season challenges always seem to benefit.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on June 27, 2015, 12:32:17 pm
I would have to say without question this is the toughest schedule of any team in the country. They might lose home field advantage in the NCAA's with this challenging slate but they will be battle tested for sure.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on July 02, 2015, 03:27:35 pm
Babson has released their 2015 schedule - http://www.babsonathletics.com/sports/m-soccer/2015-16/schedule

Non-conference games of note:
Sept 1 -   at Eastern Conn St
Sept 6 -   Ohio Northern
Sept 12 - at Brandeis
Sept 27 - RPI
Oct 12 -   at Bowdoin
Oct 18 -   Williams

Also includes 2014 NCAA tournament participants Husson, UMass-Boston, Fitchburg St

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Nutmeg on July 02, 2015, 07:39:10 pm
Babson has released their 2015 schedule - http://www.babsonathletics.com/sports/m-soccer/2015-16/schedule

Non-conference games of note:
Sept 1 -   at Eastern Conn St
Sept 6 -   Ohio Northern
Sept 12 - at Brandeis
Sept 27 - RPI
Oct 12 -   at Bowdoin
Oct 18 -   Williams

Also includes 2014 NCAA tournament participants Husson, UMass-Boston, Fitchburg St
A good tough non-conference schedule....
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on July 03, 2015, 11:03:07 am
Wheaton (MA) has not put their schedule on their website yet, but here are their non-conference games of note:

Sept 5 -   Ohio Northern
Sept 13 -  Colby
Sept 29 - Brandeis
Oct 6  -    Trinity (CT)

They also play 2014 NCAA participant Husson.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Nutmeg on July 06, 2015, 07:13:14 pm
What Brandeis has done over the last few years, and I assume Coven is to be credited (especially with such a revival very late on in his career), really is phenomenal.  The magical Tufts run in some ways ended up overshadowing how good Brandeis was last year.  All the way up to the NCAA tourney Brandeis arguably was THE story in New England in D3.  Will be interesting to see how the next couple of years go.  And kudos on going to play Trinity.  The programs who take their allowed overseas trips and schedule great early season challenges always seem to benefit.

Yes, good points. The Judges had a great season and are underrated nationally...
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on July 13, 2015, 12:57:27 pm
Certainly of secondary importance relative to soccer, MONEY just released their 2015 rankings of best colleges (best value for tuition dollar).  Here are the New England schools with men's D3 athletic programs that appeared in the top 100 of the rankings:

2.    Babson
3.    MIT
8.    Maine Maritime Academy
9.    Amherst
28.  Williams
48.  WPI
56.  Bowdoin
59.  Mass Maritime Academy
71.  Tufts
85.  Colby
96.  Middlebury
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on July 14, 2015, 09:04:49 am
I know this has been discussed, but these rankings have to be a blessing and a curse for some of these schools.  They have the academic draw but low acceptance rates making it more difficult to recruit many good players. 

New England schools with men's D3 athletic programs in the top 100 of lowest admission acceptance rates:

MIT
Amherst
Bowdoin
Coast Guard
Middlebury
Williams
Tufts
Wesleyan
Bates
Colby
Hamilton
Babson
Trinity

All the NESCACs, with the exception of Connecticut College, are on this list.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: All NESCAC on July 14, 2015, 09:29:19 am
I know this has been discussed, but these rankings have to be a blessing and a curse for some of these schools.  They have the academic draw but low acceptance rates making it more difficult to recruit many good players. 

New England schools with men's D3 athletic programs in the top 100 of lowest admission acceptance rates:

MIT
Amherst
Bowdoin
Coast Guard
Middlebury
Williams
Tufts
Wesleyan
Bates
Colby
Hamilton
Babson
Trinity

All the NESCACs, with the exception of Connecticut College, are on this list.

Question:  If above is true why aren't the Conn College Men challenging for NESCAC title each year if admission is much easier than the rest of the league?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: nescac1 on July 14, 2015, 09:51:07 am
It's a two-way street.  Admission may be (marginally, these schools are all very competitive) easier at Conn, but any top recruit, given the opportunity, is likely to choose Williams, Amherst, Midd, Bowdoin, Tufts or Wesleyan over Conn ... hence it is unsurprising they attract more of them.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: All NESCAC on July 14, 2015, 12:21:43 pm
It's a two-way street.  Admission may be (marginally, these schools are all very competitive) easier at Conn, but any top recruit, given the opportunity, is likely to choose Williams, Amherst, Midd, Bowdoin, Tufts or Wesleyan over Conn ... hence it is unsurprising they attract more of them.

True, but you would think that Conn could get in a few more difference makers (forwards) which Williams/Amherst/Midd couldn't, thus giving them some small advantage for certain players....seems like Conn has had some talent the last few years, but for some reason they can't put it together. Is it the talent or coaching/scheme?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: FourMoreYears on July 14, 2015, 03:28:44 pm
It's a two-way street.  Admission may be (marginally, these schools are all very competitive) easier at Conn, but any top recruit, given the opportunity, is likely to choose Williams, Amherst, Midd, Bowdoin, Tufts or Wesleyan over Conn ... hence it is unsurprising they attract more of them.

True, but you would think that Conn could get in a few more difference makers (forwards) which Williams/Amherst/Midd couldn't, thus giving them some small advantage for certain players....seems like Conn has had some talent the last few years, but for some reason they can't put it together. Is it the talent or coaching/scheme?

In this day and age of social media, texting, etc ... word spreads quickly among the younger generation as to the plusses and minuses of coaches.  In the case of Conn College, the coach is not enjoying positive ratings with his potential recruiting base.  This is not an indictment of his style, merely an observation of the situation he currently finds himself in ...
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on July 15, 2015, 07:58:09 am
It really does not come down to what potential incoming players hear about Murphy. When comparing Conn, Trinity and Bates the 3 "weakest academic schools" in Nescac. Trinity offers some of the best athletic facilities in Nescac. They can get kids in that other Nescac's can not. Trinity's issue in my opinion is Pilger. He may be one of the laziest recruiters in Nescac. Look at other Trinity sports teams and they dominate Nescac. Bates is a slightly better academic school but is the toughest to recruit to. The campus is ok at best and no one wants to be in Lewiston, Maine. One of the uglier cities in New England and in the middle of nowhere. Conn is in one of the best locations and scenic areas in Nescac. Conn's issue is endowment and $$$. Just take a quick tour of the campus and you feel like you have walked right back into the 80's. Murphy recruits exceptionally well and is one of the hardest working recruiters Nescac has. You need to "'wow" these kids these days and Conn has absolutely no "Wows" on campus. So they are actually competing with more schools outside of Nescac than in Nescac.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Corazon on July 15, 2015, 09:51:06 am
I agree Murphy is a good recruiter and his staff is one of the more proactive ones I see in the NESCAC.  He's pulled in some D1 talent for sure - this is a result of the coaching staff's work ethic.

Also agree with the lack of "wow" factor on the campus.  Another minor issue that I see with Conn is getting to the soccer field from the campus.  Having to walk over a bridge over a very busy road which feels like a freeway kills the vibe when comparing to the many idlyllic campuses in the NESCAC.  This is a minor issue but you're dealing with impressionable 17 year olds.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: letsGOswans! on July 15, 2015, 11:40:52 am
This is wrong. Conn plays their games on a beautiful field right in the middle of campus. The turf field is located at the athletic center which is across the bridge, and is only used during bad weather conditions.

I agree Murphy is a good recruiter and his staff is one of the more proactive ones I see in the NESCAC.  He's pulled in some D1 talent for sure - this is a result of the coaching staff's work ethic.

Also agree with the lack of "wow" factor on the campus.  Another minor issue that I see with Conn is getting to the soccer field from the campus.  Having to walk over a bridge over a very busy road which feels like a freeway kills the vibe when comparing to the many idlyllic campuses in the NESCAC.  This is a minor issue but you're dealing with impressionable 17 year olds.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Corazon on July 15, 2015, 12:18:21 pm
Thanks for the correction - You're right. I forgot that they play the actual games right in the middle of campus. I suppose the turf is for practice then. I was just passing along what a recruit's dad told me (who I was suggesting NESCAC to) as he was frustrated at his son's reaction. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on July 15, 2015, 03:37:20 pm
I have to agree with Mr.Right here.

Conn is a very nice school, but it's sort of like the non-descript, faceless "quintessential liberal arts college."  Compared to other NESCACs and similar schools both in region and out, Conn seems to be lacking a strong identity or character to the place.  I don't think Trinity is a "better" school, but Trinity definitely has a certain identity, with strong ties to NYC, and a lot of money.  Bates has the struggles Mr.Right mentioned, but when I think of someone who likely goes to Bates I have a particular picture on my head.  Bates also benefits from the longstanding association with the other 2 Maine NESCACs.  Union strikes me as a great example of a peer school to Conn that also has real character and a stunning campus (albeit with the same downside as Trinity directly adjacent to a sketchy urban area).  Same with strong LACs in other regions.  Mention Haverford, Carleton, Macalester, Grinnell, Oberlin, the school that will not be named, Whitman, etc and a certain feeling or vibe is evoked.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: FourMoreYears on July 15, 2015, 08:37:10 pm
I have to agree with Mr.Right here.

Conn is a very nice school, but it's sort of like the non-descript, faceless "quintessential liberal arts college."  Compared to other NESCACs and similar schools both in region and out, Conn seems to be lacking a strong identity or character to the place.  I don't think Trinity is a "better" school, but Trinity definitely has a certain identity, with strong ties to NYC, and a lot of money.  Bates has the struggles Mr.Right mentioned, but when I think of someone who likely goes to Bates I have a particular picture on my head.  Bates also benefits from the longstanding association with the other 2 Maine NESCACs.  Union strikes me as a great example of a peer school to Conn that also has real character and a stunning campus (albeit with the same downside as Trinity directly adjacent to a sketchy urban area).  Same with strong LACs in other regions.  Mention Haverford, Carleton, Macalester, Grinnell, Oberlin, the school that will not be named, Whitman, etc and a certain feeling or vibe is evoked.

Actually, I agree with everything Senor Correcto said about Conn College too ... and to be clear I was not suggesting that Murphy and his staff are not excellent recruiters.  If you think about it, they HAVE to be, since they have to overcome some obstacles the school presents. My only point was that he is developing a reputation with more than a few kids and that reputation is not helping him.  Garnered from multiple first hand accounts over the past three recruiting cycles.  Hey, not every coach is going to hit it off with every recruit.  And no coach is perfect.  But it's not isolated.  There continue to be rumors swirling that more than a few players have left the Conn College program and will not return in 2015.  Perhaps they are just rumors ... time will tell. 

Regardless, I'm anxious for the season to start. :-)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: nescac1 on July 15, 2015, 09:19:04 pm
Speaking of wow factor, a bit off topic but since it has come up, what Williams has done to the center of its campus (at tremendous cost) is absolutely incredible.  The new library is not only the best library in NESCAC, but the best overall (in terms of form meeting function) college or university library I've ever seen.  I encourage anyone who goes to campus to visit the library -- it's beyond spectacular, both the historic older portion and the sleek moden section are simply perfect.

The newish student center is almost as spectacular, especially the dramatic main hall, and now with Sawyer demolished it boasts incredible mountain views.  There will be a massive central green space on campus right in between them (still under development), a combined geographic / conceptual central campus quad / gathering space that Williams had always been sorely lacking (as opposed to say Amherst, which has always had a clear center to its campus).  Surrounding that forthcoming green space (in addition to the student center and the library) is Chapin, the most iconic building on campus (with the large columns), two understated-but-attractive new humanities buildings, and the new environmental center, which is the first "living building" in the country and will wow a lot of kids interested in environmental issues.  Williams' academic and student life facilities right now blow the rest of the NESCAC away (especially Amherst, which has far inferior dining hall, library, student center, and academic facilities, at least until its long-overdue new science center is constructed in three more years). 

Interestingly, the one area where Williams could use some improvement is about 50 percent of its athletic facilities, which pale in comparison to the newer facilities around the conference -- Williams has a killer golf course (no surprise that the women won the national title in golf this year) the new football / lacrosse / field hockey and outdoor track facility is the best in NESCAC, and Chandler is still a really nice, pleasant, very functional place to watch and play hoops, with huge capacity, although lacking in the character of some of the other NESCAC gyms.  The squash courts are also great.  But Williams' weight room / fitness center lags far behind most of the conference, as does its main set of locker rooms.  The hockey arena needs a serious upgrade, and the main Fieldhouse is truly godawful.  Also, there just isn't enough space in Chandler to accommodate both volleyball and both basketball teams during the period their seasons overlap, which has become a a problem. 

I imagine in the next wave of campus construction, the field house will be replaced and the ice hockey/Chandler/Lasell complex will get a big upgrade -- considering nearly every other academic or student life facility is either brand new or recently renovated, there's not much left to raise funds for!  But I do wonder if all the snazzy new facilities completed over the past decade will have an overall impact on recruiting, after years in which the campus was a bit of a mess from all the construction.  You can't help but be impressed when you see not only the library and student center, but also the science facilities, theater and studio art facilities, and so on.  At the very least, football, field hockey and lacrosse, several programs which have not been very strong in recent years, should all benefit from the HUGE upgrade to Weston Field. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Nutmeg on July 15, 2015, 09:36:56 pm
Speaking of wow factor, a bit off topic but since it has come up, what Williams has done to the center of its campus (at tremendous cost) is absolutely incredible.  The new library is not only the best library in NESCAC, but the best overall (in terms of form meeting function) college or university library I've ever seen.  I encourage anyone who goes to campus to visit the library -- it's beyond spectacular, both the historic older portion and the sleek moden section are simply perfect.

The newish student center is almost as spectacular, especially the dramatic main hall, and now with Sawyer demolished it boasts incredible mountain views.  There will be a massive central green space on campus right in between them (still under development), a combined geographic / conceptual central campus quad / gathering space that Williams had always been sorely lacking (as opposed to say Amherst, which has always had a clear center to its campus).  Surrounding that forthcoming green space (in addition to the student center and the library) is Chapin, the most iconic building on campus (with the large columns), two understated-but-attractive new humanities buildings, and the new environmental center, which is the first "living building" in the country and will wow a lot of kids interested in environmental issues.  Williams' academic and student life facilities right now blow the rest of the NESCAC away (especially Amherst, which has far inferior dining hall, library, student center, and academic facilities, at least until its long-overdue new science center is constructed in three more years). 

Interestingly, the one area where Williams could use some improvement is about 50 percent of its athletic facilities, which pale in comparison to the newer facilities around the conference -- Williams has a killer golf course (no surprise that the women won the national title in golf this year) the new football / lacrosse / field hockey and outdoor track facility is the best in NESCAC, and Chandler is still a really nice, pleasant, very functional place to watch and play hoops, with huge capacity, although lacking in the character of some of the other NESCAC gyms.  The squash courts are also great.  But Williams' weight room / fitness center lags far behind most of the conference, as does its main set of locker rooms.  The hockey arena needs a serious upgrade, and the main Fieldhouse is truly godawful.  Also, there just isn't enough space in Chandler to accommodate both volleyball and both basketball teams during the period their seasons overlap, which has become a a problem. 

I imagine in the next wave of campus construction, the field house will be replaced and the ice hockey/Chandler/Lasell complex will get a big upgrade -- considering nearly every other academic or student life facility is either brand new or recently renovated, there's not much left to raise funds for!  But I do wonder if all the snazzy new facilities completed over the past decade will have an overall impact on recruiting, after years in which the campus was a bit of a mess from all the construction.  You can't help but be impressed when you see not only the library and student center, but also the science facilities, theater and studio art facilities, and so on.  At the very least, football, field hockey and lacrosse, several programs which have not been very strong in recent years, should all benefit from the HUGE upgrade to Weston Field.

Nescac1, sounds like you work in the Williams admission dept. 😎
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: letsGOswans! on July 15, 2015, 09:44:35 pm
It is true that a number of players will not be returning for Conn in the fall due to various reasons. Let me assure you that many of these kids who are "left" were not going to be on the team in the fall even if they stayed. Murphy has high expectations for his team and he makes it clear from the get go. A few of thise  who "left" the team did not meet these expectations. As expected, the natural reaction to these changes is to pin the blame on the coach. . A few others left the team for reasons,  unrelated to soccer, that I'm not at liberty to disclose.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: frank uible on July 16, 2015, 06:32:02 am
nescac1: Yeh, but does Williams have a soul?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: amh63 on July 16, 2015, 10:03:37 am
Nescac1.....seems that you had a reunion?  Always nice to refresh your memories and open your wallet to your alma mater! :). Did I get the Latin correct, Frank?
Must point out that the other members of the "little Three" have organic "farms" to provide the fresh food....to attract recruits.  Just kidding here, but true.
I also feel that coaches help bring the recruits more than buildings.  Soul can help too :).
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: nescac1 on July 16, 2015, 10:18:00 am
To answer Frank's question: if it ever had one, it certainly still does! 

Not a reunion, just happened to be in the Berkshires ... and I definitely agree that coaches (as well as admissions directors, who probably matter most :)) matter far more than anything else.  But nice facilities certainly don't hurt.  Williams certainly had no trouble bringing in football talent, despite a pretty awful football complex, under previous admissions / coaching regimes ... and Williams' previous admissions regime didn't exactly hurt Russo's recruiting efforts during the Stephenson/Blake era. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: All NESCAC on July 16, 2015, 10:34:05 am
It is true that a number of players will not be returning for Conn in the fall due to various reasons. Let me assure you that many of these kids who are "left" were not going to be on the team in the fall even if they stayed. Murphy has high expectations for his team and he makes it clear from the get go. A few of thise  who "left" the team did not meet these expectations. As expected, the natural reaction to these changes is to pin the blame on the coach. . A few others left the team for reasons,  unrelated to soccer, that I'm not at liberty to disclose.

Above is true, as has been mentioned before, hopefully the result of such numerous changes (and it could be up to 6 or 7 non-returning players in addition to the 7 seniors they graduated) will create a better atmosphere all around for the team to reboot, but they will likely take their lumps this coming Fall with a very very young team.  Murphy's style of coaching and soccer is not for everyone, but over the last 5 years he did produce teams that gave the rest of the NESCAC a lot of concern. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: FourMoreYears on July 16, 2015, 11:46:47 am
It is true that a number of players will not be returning for Conn in the fall due to various reasons. Let me assure you that many of these kids who are "left" were not going to be on the team in the fall even if they stayed. Murphy has high expectations for his team and he makes it clear from the get go. A few of thise  who "left" the team did not meet these expectations. As expected, the natural reaction to these changes is to pin the blame on the coach. . A few others left the team for reasons,  unrelated to soccer, that I'm not at liberty to disclose.

Above is true, as has been mentioned before, hopefully the result of such numerous changes (and it could be up to 6 or 7 non-returning players in addition to the 7 seniors they graduated) will create a better atmosphere all around for the team to reboot, but they will likely take their lumps this coming Fall with a very very young team.  Murphy's style of coaching and soccer is not for everyone, but over the last 5 years he did produce teams that gave the rest of the NESCAC a lot of concern.

Thank you to both letsGOswans and All NESCAC for the clarifying information, very much appreciated. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: jumpshot on July 17, 2015, 09:47:00 am
There is no question that Williams has done a superb job of investing resources in a spectacular, functional, and well-integrated campus, thereby providing optimal facilities as the platform for educating and developing young men and women as one element of the total enterprise.

Williams College's world-wide impact for generations evidences abundant soul --- and character.

Talk among yourselves ....
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NewEngland on August 02, 2015, 04:54:06 pm
Players quitting is nothing new. It is much easier to say the coach isn't good and doesn't know what he's doing than a player admitting that they weren't good enough or didn't have the requisite desire. When an all conference player quits a program should be concerned.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: All NESCAC on August 03, 2015, 09:31:34 am
Players quitting is nothing new. It is much easier to say the coach isn't good and doesn't know what he's doing than a player admitting that they weren't good enough or didn't have the requisite desire. When an all conference player quits a program should be concerned.

Very true and in the rumblings at Conn all these players (non-returning eligible players) were given many chances to show their worth, but for whatever reason in the Coach's opinion others were better....right or wrong the only opinion that matters is the Coach's....some players can deal with this and some cannot.  When no scholarship $$ is a factor it is very easy to leave the team.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on August 28, 2015, 11:38:51 am
New England preseason predictions:

NESCAC
1. Amherst
2. Wesleyan
3. Tufts
4. Middlebury
5. Williams
6. Bowdoin
7. Colby
8. Trinity
9. Conn
10. Bates
11. Hamilton

NEWMAC
1. Babson
2. WPI
3. MIT
4. Wheaton
5. Coast Guard
6. Springfield
7. Clark
8. Emerson

Best of the rest
1. Brandeis - should still be one of the top couple of teams in New England
2. Gordon
3. UMass-Boston
4. Roger Williams
5. Endicott



Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 01, 2015, 07:17:45 pm
Goals by freshman Justin Jensen, Sophomore Alex Fazzino, and a penalty kick by So. Xavier Doran provided ECSU with a 3-0 victory over Babson College this afternoon.  A VG win over an excellent Babson team!!!  Eastern has 7 freshman, 8 Soph, 5 Juniors and 1 Senior on the squad this year.  Freshman Mike Murphy maintained a clean sheet for the Warriors blocking 9 SOG.  He took over the goalkeeping responsibilities this year after All LEC GK Greg Walton transferred to Univ. of Vermont.  ECSU was in the top 15 nationally last year in defense, and have all their backfield back in 2015, however their offence was really lacking, so today's result was a positive sign for this season hitting on 3 of 5 SOG. 

SHOTS                1   2     TOTAL
Babson                2   7       9
Eastern Conn. St. 1   4       5

SAVES                1    2    TOTAL
Babson                0   2       2
Eastern Conn. St. 0   6       6

CORNER KICKS     1      2     TOTAL
Babson                 5      2       7
Eastern Conn. St.  0      3       3



 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 02, 2015, 12:45:11 pm
That is a great result for ECSU which may pay dividends down the road for both teams. Babson might be rebuilding a bit this year as they lost a deep senior class.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 02, 2015, 01:21:54 pm
That is a great result for ECSU which may pay dividends down the road for both teams. Babson might be rebuilding a bit this year as they lost a deep senior class.

The NEWMAC overall may be in for a down year.  Babson, Wheaton and Coast Guard will all be weaker than last year.  WPI can't score, and MIT has a terrific nucleus but not much depth.  Hard to see any of these teams competing with the likes of Brandeis, Tufts or Amherst.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on September 02, 2015, 01:37:15 pm
That is a great result for ECSU which may pay dividends down the road for both teams. Babson might be rebuilding a bit this year as they lost a deep senior class.

The NEWMAC overall may be in for a down year.  Babson, Wheaton and Coast Guard will all be weaker than last year.  WPI can't score, and MIT has a terrific nucleus but not much depth.  Hard to see any of these teams competing with the likes of Brandeis, Tufts or Amherst.

I like Wheaton's roster a lot.  They may need 5-6 games under their belt but I think they will be very good again.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 02, 2015, 02:08:42 pm
Wheaton has some talent on the current roster, but they lost 7 usual starters from last year's team.  Finklestein was the glue and they also lost 3 of their 4 leading scorers including Blair.  They may end up being decent, but Wheaton rarely plays up to the potential of their individual talent.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 4231CenterBack on September 02, 2015, 02:18:28 pm
Wheaton is definitely not what they were last year. They scrimmaged Gordon last week and although it was a 1-1 tie Gordon was the better team. The Wheaton keeper made some great saves otherwise it wouldn't have been close.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: All NESCAC on September 02, 2015, 02:36:04 pm
That is a great result for ECSU which may pay dividends down the road for both teams. Babson might be rebuilding a bit this year as they lost a deep senior class.

Agree.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on September 02, 2015, 03:07:45 pm
Wheaton is definitely not what they were last year. They scrimmaged Gordon last week and although it was a 1-1 tie Gordon was the better team. The Wheaton keeper made some great saves otherwise it wouldn't have been close.

We'll see.  I would expect them to need some time but on the other hand sometimes new blood and a new mix of leading players are good.  Might go see them play Ohio Northern this weekend.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on September 02, 2015, 09:13:54 pm
And Wheaton loses the opener to Wentworth, 2-1.  Got a 1-0 lead with less than 20 to go and gave up 2 goals late.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 03, 2015, 11:55:53 am
Goals by freshman Justin Jensen, Sophomore Alex Fazzino, and a penalty kick by So. Xavier Doran provided ECSU with a 3-0 victory over Babson College this afternoon.  A VG win over an excellent Babson team!!!   ECSU was in the top 15 nationally last year in defense, and have all their backfield back in 2015, however their offence was really lacking, so today's result was a positive sign for this season hitting on 3 of 5 SOG. 

SHOTS                1   2     TOTAL
Babson                2   7       9
Eastern Conn. St. 1   4       5

Good result for ECSU, but I would be more than a little concerned about managing only 5 shots against a young Babson team.  Looking at the box score, it looks like Babson was without a couple of the expected starters (Mandel, Ventura) and played quite a few freshmen.  Could be a rough start for Babson with Ohio Northern and Brandies coming up in the next 10 days.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 03, 2015, 11:57:53 am
That is a great result for ECSU which may pay dividends down the road for both teams. Babson might be rebuilding a bit this year as they lost a deep senior class.

Thanks Mr Right, I hope Coach DeVito can hold on to the young players he has recruited this year.  For some reason, some of last years young recruits bolted on him!  Not sure what the reason was.  You always like to see Freshman/Sophomore players who are good enough to play significant minutes, play the 4 years and see them reach maturity with the same team!
I saw Babson lost their top offensive player, so I knew they would not be as strong.  Never the less, the ECSU win will give this young team some confidence going into, what will be a tough match vs Muhlenberg College.
Hoping your favorite team has a good year!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 03, 2015, 12:02:16 pm
Goals by freshman Justin Jensen, Sophomore Alex Fazzino, and a penalty kick by So. Xavier Doran provided ECSU with a 3-0 victory over Babson College this afternoon.  A VG win over an excellent Babson team!!!   ECSU was in the top 15 nationally last year in defense, and have all their backfield back in 2015, however their offence was really lacking, so today's result was a positive sign for this season hitting on 3 of 5 SOG. 

SHOTS                1   2     TOTAL
Babson                2   7       9
Eastern Conn. St. 1   4       5

Good result for ECSU, but I would be more than a little concerned about managing only 5 shots against a young Babson team.  Looking at the box score, it looks like Babson was without a couple of the expected starters (Mandel, Ventura) and played quite a few freshmen.  Could be a rough start for Babson with Ohio Northern and Brandies coming up in the next 10 days.

Not too concerned seeing it was the first game of the season.  Optimistic in that although they did not create a lot of chances, they converted on the ones they saw, which to me is a good sign for young players.  Will see how they perform vs Muhlenberg on Saturday, still early!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 03, 2015, 05:32:32 pm
--Winningest active D3 coaches in New England:

1.  Mike Coven - Brandeis     42 years     494-259-50   (0.646)
2.  Jon Anderson - Babson    29 years     358-159-62   (0.671)

These were the only 2 listed with more than 348 wins to make the top 30 nationally for all divisions.

Source:  2015 College Almanac
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 04, 2015, 09:13:09 am
WOW...42 years and counting for Coven..The question is how much longer will he go. His top Lieutenant Gabe Margolis has been basically promised the gig when Coven retires, but I think he thought he would have taken over by now. It was just about 5 years ago when Brandeis had been in a decade long funk and the AD was trying to push Coven out. Margolis is an exceptional recruiter and has had as much influence if not more for Brandeis resurgence.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: All NESCAC on September 04, 2015, 10:12:18 am
WOW...42 years and counting for Coven..The question is how much longer will he go. His top Lieutenant Gabe Margolis has been basically promised the gig when Coven retires, but I think he thought he would have taken over by now. It was just about 5 years ago when Brandeis had been in a decade long funk and the AD was trying to push Coven out. Margolis is an exceptional recruiter and has had as much influence if not more for Brandeis resurgence.

Coven and Margolis at Brandeis are a very good tandem.  Agree Margolis is a tremendous recruiter (first hand experience) and they have brought in some very good talent to Brandeis over the last 5 years....it will be interesting to see how they do this year because they did lose some significant firepower with Savonen's graduation.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 04, 2015, 10:38:47 am
Highlights of ECSU-Babson game!  Glad the Eastern Athl Dept put these out as the video feed for the game was poor with sun/shade on the pitch the camera exposure could not be controlled well.

Soph. Alex Fazzino gave Babson all kinds of problems for the Beaver D, his goal was a beauty and was about to score #2 when he was pulled of the ball in the penalty area!!  Xavier Doran was successfully finished on the PK

http://gowarriorathletics.com/sports/msoc/index
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 04, 2015, 03:03:56 pm
WOW....Those highlights for ECONN and lowlights for Babson tell a whole different story. First of all those are absolutely TWO horrible lazy back passes by the Right Back that got picked off by ECONN and led to the first 2 goals. The 3rd goal looked like a disaster of a throw by the Babson GK which led to a "soft" penalty being called and ECONN capitalized. Those type of lethargic plays will drive coaches nuts.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: All NESCAC on September 04, 2015, 03:51:34 pm
WOW....Those highlights for ECONN and lowlights for Babson tell a whole different story. First of all those are absolutely TWO horrible lazy back passes by the Right Back that got picked off by ECONN and led to the first 2 goals. The 3rd goal looked like a disaster of a throw by the Babson GK which led to a "soft" penalty being called and ECONN capitalized. Those type of lethargic plays will drive coaches nuts.

you're right WOW...back line of Babson looked pretty bad on those goals....unbelievable LAZY passes....Babson has some work to do.  Kudos to ECSU for capitalizing.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 04, 2015, 10:27:23 pm
Endicott ties Calvin.  They may be able to challenge Gordon in the CCC.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 05, 2015, 09:24:00 pm
Cooper D'Ambrosio strikes with 5 sec left in 2OT to defeat Muhlenberg College 1-0.  EVERYBODY on the pitch was gassed.  Fortunately it was not a humid evening and the temp was +/- 70.  Both GK made great saves to maintain the scoreless match to the very last minute!!  Congrats to ECSU on a well fought game against an excellent opponent!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Ommadawn on September 05, 2015, 09:46:20 pm
Endicott ties Calvin.  They may be able to challenge Gordon in the CCC.

...and Calvin edges Gordon 1-0.  From what I saw of both games, Calvin seemed the better team, but was not able to break down either opponent effectively. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 07, 2015, 06:41:16 pm
Just noticed UMASS Boston playing 2 West coast games at Puget Sound and at Pacific Lutheran...This would have NEVER happened even 5 years ago. Looks like the endowment is rising and the new dorms on campus will be bringing in more money for the school and more money for athletics..Like I said a couple years ago this job when it went from part-time to full time was a job that alot of people wanted. To bad MIT with a much bigger endowment and athletic budget could not take a cue from this
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 07, 2015, 08:40:37 pm
Just noticed UMASS Boston playing 2 West coast games at Puget Sound and at Pacific Lutheran...This would have NEVER happened even 5 years ago. Looks like the endowment is rising and the new dorms on campus will be bringing in more money for the school and more money for athletics..Like I said a couple years ago this job when it went from part-time to full time was a job that alot of people wanted. To bad MIT with a much bigger endowment and athletic budget could not take a cue from this

In addition 17 of the 30 players on the roster are from places like Cape Verde Islands, Brazil, Venezuela, Mexico, and Spain!!  So, somebody has a budget to do some recruiting travel in the offseason!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 07, 2015, 09:13:13 pm
Well they usually get those type of kids because of Boston. Usually they are the first to matriculate in college within the family..Like I mentioned last year with their run into the NCAA's with a win over Keene St in the Little East finals they are a great team to root for. They are undersized but have some flair and skill and are just a fun team to follow and root for.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Ommadawn on September 08, 2015, 05:08:44 pm
Two of the new UMass-Boston players are longtime Bolts players who had been committed to Northeastern, but didn't end up going there for whatever reasons. This dynamic duo should elevate the squad right away!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 08, 2015, 09:35:11 pm
ECSU defeats Wesleyan 1-0 on another D'Ambrosio goal at around the 50 min mark.  The Warriors return home to play Ramapo on Sat.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 09, 2015, 09:58:46 am
ECSU defeats Wesleyan 1-0 on another D'Ambrosio goal at around the 50 min mark.  The Warriors return home to play Ramapo on Sat.

ECSU is the story of the season so far. A 3-0 win against Babson is impressive for any side, and I certainly took notice after that, but then two road victories against good opponents. Wesleyan certainly had most of the ball/pressure after the goal but the ECSU defense and goalkeeper were excellent. It will be interesting to see how their regular season unfolds, I'd love to see them make a run in the tournament.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Brother Flounder on September 09, 2015, 11:01:53 am
ECSU defeats Wesleyan 1-0 on another D'Ambrosio goal at around the 50 min mark.  The Warriors return home to play Ramapo on Sat.

ECSU is the story of the season so far. A 3-0 win against Babson is impressive for any side, and I certainly took notice after that, but then two road victories against good opponents. Wesleyan certainly had most of the ball/pressure after the goal but the ECSU defense and goalkeeper were excellent. It will be interesting to see how their regular season unfolds, I'd love to see them make a run in the tournament.

Yes, they have been impressive.  Their confidence has to be good now....
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on September 09, 2015, 11:56:25 am

They will be squaring up against a Ramapo team that has just 3 conference wins in the NJAC the previous two seasons.  I'd expect a DRAW in this one.

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 09, 2015, 03:43:43 pm
ECSU defeats Wesleyan 1-0 on another D'Ambrosio goal at around the 50 min mark.  The Warriors return home to play Ramapo on Sat.

ECSU is the story of the season so far. A 3-0 win against Babson is impressive for any side, and I certainly took notice after that, but then two road victories against good opponents. Wesleyan certainly had most of the ball/pressure after the goal but the ECSU defense and goalkeeper were excellent. It will be interesting to see how their regular season unfolds, I'd love to see them make a run in the tournament.

Thanks blooter 442
I also hope they make a run.  They will need to do well vs UM Boston with their roster of expatriots!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 09, 2015, 04:11:40 pm
Wheaton goes 1-0 up against WNE on an absolute screamer by Fromhein. Shot while on the run outside the 18, top left corner, 'keeper no chance.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on September 09, 2015, 05:52:47 pm
Coast Guard have really taken a dive.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 10, 2015, 07:45:01 am
Cooper D'Ambrosio last second goal vs Mulhlenberg:

http://www.d3soccer.com/greatgoals/2015/Cooper-DAmbrosio_Eastern-Conn_09-05-2015
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 12, 2015, 06:27:49 pm
ECSU defeats Ramapo College of NJ 4-0 powered byFreshman Justin Jensen's hat trick.  The match was close in the first half with Eastern going in with a late 1-0 lead, with shots, corners etc pretty even.  Second half was all Warriors especially when they scored the second goal on a Ramapo GK mishandle, (low line drive that bounced out from under the keeper. Freshman, Ryan Murphy recored his 4th straight clean sheet!! Next up, Roger Williams tomorr ow@ 2pm .
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 13, 2015, 04:00:20 pm
ECSU 2 Roger Williams 1.  RW scored first on a beautiful Charlie Mader  header off a corner by Trevor Sparda , Murphy had no chance but was his first goal-against this season.  JD Stearns and Andres Villars got markers for ECSU.  The Warriors take on Albertus Magnus next week Tues.  Freshman Justen Jensen who had 3 goals yesterday just missed on a couple of opportunities today.  This kid will be a star for Eastern going forward!!!

UMass Boston leading Puget Sound 2-0 with 7 minutes left in the match!!

UMB 2 PS 0 Final

Tufts breaks through with goal @ 55 min mark vs Plymouth State.  Tufts with what looks looks to be 80% of possession and a "millon" corner kicks.  Tufts blew a PK at the 20 min mark in the first half!!  This match is basically over for Plymouth as they just cannot maintain possession!!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Ommadawn on September 13, 2015, 05:16:03 pm
UMass Boston leading Puget Sound 2-0 with 7 minutes left in the match!!

UMB 2 PS 0 Final

Both goals by former YNT and current first-year player Kenawy.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 14, 2015, 02:01:09 pm
UMass Boston leading Puget Sound 2-0 with 7 minutes left in the match!!

UMB 2 PS 0 Final

Both goals by former YNT and current first-year player Kenawy.



Kenawy was a former FC Bolts player, but I had no idea he was a YNT...
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Corazon on September 14, 2015, 02:04:55 pm
Yes, I believe he had a call-up at some point.  I thought he had gone to Northeastern.  Surprised to see him on UMB roster.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 14, 2015, 02:19:52 pm
Yes, I believe he had a call-up at some point.  I thought he had gone to Northeastern.  Surprised to see him on UMB roster.





He probably heard that Head coach Ainscough formerly of Bowdoin is an absolute nightmare to play for...Rumors had it that the players at Northeastern after the 2014 season marched into the AD's office to request a change at Head Coach. Ainscough is a good coach but wears out his welcome after 5-6 years usually. Happened at Providence and Bowdoin where he basically got fired
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Corazon on September 14, 2015, 02:44:48 pm
Yes, I believe he had a call-up at some point.  I thought he had gone to Northeastern.  Surprised to see him on UMB roster.





He probably heard that Head coach Ainscough formerly of Bowdoin is an absolute nightmare to play for...Rumors had it that the players at Northeastern after the 2014 season marched into the AD's office to request a change at Head Coach. Ainscough is a good coach but wears out his welcome after 5-6 years usually. Happened at Providence and Bowdoin where he basically got fired

Interesting intel (esp that he coached Bowdoin, as I didn't know) and I've also heard Ainscough can be a demanding coach.  However, he ran the Bolts Academy, so I doubt that was the reason.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 14, 2015, 03:12:49 pm
Ainscough played for Ed Kelly(BC Head Coach) at Fairly Ridiculous University when Ed Kelly coached there. Then he was Kelly's assistant at BC for a couple years then got the Providence College Head coaching gig from 1996-2000 I believe. He turned that program around pretty fast but then an incident happened which caused him to resign. He immediately got the Bowdoin Head Coaching gig from 2000-2005 and immediately turned them around. Bowdoin WAS VERY GOOD from 2000-2004 and had a GREAT side in 2003. He then has a couple run-ins with parents with the club he started(Seacoast) and another issue and was forced out in July 2005. Luckily there was still an opening at Northeastern and he got the job immediately. He managed to trun that program around also and got an NCAA bid I believe in 2012.

That is why he has a shelf life of about 6-7 years at a school before he starts to wear out his welcome...He does have a knack of turning programs around and is a very good coach. At Bowdoin he would be coaching every play but I think he has calmed some since then
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 14, 2015, 04:59:14 pm
Keene St has taken a horrific NOSEDIVE...0-4-0 with 1 Goal in 4 games. Wheaton, MIT and Springfield is good competition but a 2-0 loss to Castleton St at home and 6-1 pounding from Springfield does not look good....Possible injuries that I do not know about but this program was one of New England's best just 6-7 years ago
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 14, 2015, 10:16:28 pm
Keene St has taken a horrific NOSEDIVE...0-4-0 with 1 Goal in 4 games. Wheaton, MIT and Springfield is good competition but a 2-0 loss to Castleton St at home and 6-1 pounding from Springfield does not look good....Possible injuries that I do not know about but this program was one of New England's best just 6-7 years ago

Keene has a habit of looking terrible early in the season, as they started slow last year and then came on strong.  They definitely are not the team of old though, and it remains to be seen if they can come back!!  The always play ECSU tough, match being a longtime LEC Conference rivalry!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on September 15, 2015, 08:56:07 am

1. Tufts
2. Amherst
3. ECSU
4. Williams (could see Amherst and Williams flipped)
5. Brandeis (only loss to Trinity should still have them in top 5 in region)
6. Wentworth
7. WPI
8. MA-Boston
9. Middlebury
10. Curry, MIT, or Springfield
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 15, 2015, 12:06:52 pm

1. Tufts
2. Amherst
3. ECSU
4. Williams (could see Amherst and Williams flipped)
5. Brandeis (only loss to Trinity should still have them in top 5 in region)
6. Wentworth
7. WPI
8. MA-Boston
9. Middlebury
10. Curry, MIT, or Springfield





Very accurate.+karma
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 15, 2015, 03:14:44 pm
Off topic but I am starting to notice a really bad trend at Westfield St since Matt Noyes left the coaching job in 2011. They usually competed in the MASCAC very well and won the league a couple times getting to the NCAA's. Granted this is a part-time job but John Evans has put NO EFFORT into recruiting. There are some good soccer players in that Western MA/ Hartford CT area and Westfield can get most kids in plus in-state tuition is low. Noyes recruited well and the program has taken a significant drop. Might be time to get some fresh blood and a eager beaver young guy to take a stab at it.



Of course after I post all this Westfield draws Trinity CT...
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Corazon on September 15, 2015, 03:43:34 pm
Keene St has taken a horrific NOSEDIVE...0-4-0 with 1 Goal in 4 games. Wheaton, MIT and Springfield is good competition but a 2-0 loss to Castleton St at home and 6-1 pounding from Springfield does not look good....Possible injuries that I do not know about but this program was one of New England's best just 6-7 years ago

Keene has a habit of looking terrible early in the season, as they started slow last year and then came on strong.  They definitely are not the team of old though, and it remains to be seen if they can come back!!  The always play ECSU tough, match being a longtime LEC Conference rivalry!

I did not realize how poorly Keene State had started until I read these comments. I've only seen them once ever - last year vs Brandeis - and thought they were a good team.  They even almost made the NCAAs and returned almost everyone, including their big striker.  Not sure what is going on there because looking just at the scores and stats, you would think they were one of the worst teams in D3.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 15, 2015, 06:07:37 pm
2-1 Eastern over Albertus Magnus @ 92 min in first OT.  AM played well for first 35 min scoring first. however ECSU dominated the rest of the game 21-5 SOG, 7-0 corners for totals.

BYW that's 3 wins in 3, 4 days, which gives an indication of the Warrior fitness, backs Emmanual Caisedo, D'Ambrosio, Neuendorf and Lombardo playing 300 straight minutes!!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Soccer Balls on September 16, 2015, 09:30:41 am
Ainscough played for Ed Kelly(BC Head Coach) at Fairly Ridiculous University when Ed Kelly coached there.  True Then he was Kelly's assistant at BC for a couple years then got the Providence College Head coaching gig from 1996-2000 I believe. He turned that program around pretty fast but then an incident happened which caused him to resign. False-He was a part time coach and was selling insurance as well as coaching. He was offered a full time job at Bowdoin. He immediately got the Bowdoin Head Coaching gig from 2000-2005 and immediately turned them around. Bowdoin WAS VERY GOOD from 2000-2004 and had a GREAT side in 2003. He then has a couple run-ins with parents with the club he started(Seacoast) and another issue and was forced out in July 2005. False-No run ins with parents. His family (wife)wanted to move back to Boston to be closer to other family. And he did not start Seacoast. Luckily there was still an opening at Northeastern and he got the job immediately. He managed to turn that program around also and got an NCAA bid I believe in 2012.

That is why he has a shelf life of about 6-7 years at a school before he starts to wear out his welcome False. Mr Right this is the dbag post of the year. Don't post what you don't know...He does have a knack of turning programs around and is a very good coach. At Bowdoin he would be coaching every play but I think he has calmed some since then
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 16, 2015, 10:09:16 am
It is all true...I might have got a few minor details wrong but the major details are true...He was FIRED OR ABOUT TO BE FIRED FROM BOWDOIN...The wife might of wanted to leave but he was going to have to leave anyway...Providence was part-time you are right but that is a MINOR detail in all this.  I thought he was one of the people that started Seacoast AGAIN ANOTHER MINOR DETAIL...My MAIN points ARE ALL TRUE...Thanks for your post though
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Soccer Balls on September 16, 2015, 10:49:29 am
I am not going to get into a back and forth on this.
Suffice it to say that you are wrong on all accounts. I don't know where you get your information. You should be known as Mr. Wrong.
True, Ainscough has a temper, but he is an EXCELLENT coach who cares deeply for his players success both on and off the field.
Oh btw, nice result for Williams yesterday. :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 16, 2015, 11:53:25 am
Thanks...I actually did not lose any sleep over the Williams loss, so no worries there.

I understand the truth hurts and sometimes makes people react the way you are presently. Also, if you actually read my post I stated Ainscough turned every program around that he has been at. I also think he is an excellent coach but he gets himself into HOT WATER with his ANTICS sometimes. Just ask Ray Reid over at UCONN after they played Northeastern in the 2nd round of the NCAA's in 2012. Aisncough had such a tantrum after the game they had to call UCONN security. He is an excellent coach just has some BAGGAGE..

Since he is no longer at Bowdoin and in D3 he does not need to be mentioned on these boards and I will leave it alone now.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 16, 2015, 12:03:36 pm
Also,

Thanks for adding Ainscough sold insurance part-time. That gave me a chuckle picturing Ainscough selling insurance.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 19, 2015, 05:33:52 pm
ECSU plays Plymouth St to a 1-1 draw!  I think Plymouth goal was off a penalty kick based on the Live Stats, the game did not have  a streamed video today ???
Seemed like more that normal off sides and penalty's for Eastern today?!  PS had slight SOG advantage.  Adam Traxler's name showed up today which is a good thing.  4.5 hr bus ride to Plymouth NH always fun for a team!!  Next up Gordon College 9/22 in Wendham MA.

In UMass Boston/RIC game, RIC played short handed for most of the second half after two yellows on one of the Anchormen.  UMB looked a little lethargic in this game but dominated none the less.  Nice HD stream from RIC this afternoon as well as WConn in their 2-2 draw with UMDartmouth in Danbury and Amherst in their 1-0 win over Middlebury.  Watched these games as I watched paint dry on Plym. St Live Stats ;)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 22, 2015, 01:14:54 pm
Sept 22 New England rankings

1.  Tufts        5-0
2.  Amherst   5-0
3.  Brandeis   6-1
4.  Eastern Connecticut State   6-0-1
5.  UMass - Boston   6-0
6.  Wentworth    6-1
7.  Wheaton   6-2
8.  WPI          6-1-1
9.  Endicott   4-1-1
10. Babson    5-2

http://www.nscaa.com/rankings/4398/NCAADivisionIII/men/NewEngland/Poll2
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 22, 2015, 01:31:39 pm
Sept 22 New England rankings

1.  Tufts        5-0
2.  Amherst   5-0
3.  Brandeis   6-1
4.  Eastern Connecticut State   6-0-1
5.  UMass - Boston   6-0
6.  Wentworth    6-1
7.  Wheaton   6-2
8.  WPI          6-1-1
9.  Endicott   4-1-1
10. Babson    5-2

http://www.nscaa.com/rankings/4398/NCAADivisionIII/men/NewEngland/Poll2

Not a Wentworth believer yet and expect them to drop out after playing Gordon and Mass-Boston this week.  Wheaton is overrated and will likely lose at WPI Saturday.  So, two of the teams below should move into the rankings next week including the winner of the Middlebury-Bowdoin game.

Other teams whose records should have warranted some consideration:
Middlebury   3-1
MIT             4-1
Bates          4-0
Springfield   6-1
Bridgewater St    5-1
Curry          8-0

Other quality teams lurking:
Bowdoin      2-2
Conn           3-2
Wesleyan    2-2
Williams      3-2
Gordon       4-2
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 22, 2015, 01:40:47 pm
Babson has released their 2015 schedule - http://www.babsonathletics.com/sports/m-soccer/2015-16/schedule

Non-conference games of note:
Sept 1 -   at Eastern Conn St
Sept 6 -   Ohio Northern
Sept 12 - at Brandeis
Sept 27 - RPI
Oct 12 -   at Bowdoin
Oct 18 -   Williams

Also includes 2014 NCAA tournament participants Husson, UMass-Boston, Fitchburg St

Looking back at this, ECSU (#24 nationally), Ohio Northern (#9 Great Lakes), Brandeis (#16 nationally), RPI (#15 nationally), UMass-Boston (#5 New England), conference games against #s 7 and 8 in New England and then lesser games vs. Bowdoin and Williams.  The Babson SOS should be among the highest in the country.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 22, 2015, 02:33:49 pm
Babson might have a strong SOS but it will not matter in the end because IMO they will have 6-7 losses by the time November rolls around
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 22, 2015, 02:54:01 pm
WPI is better than I thought when I saw them play this year but I still think Wheaton is just as good and can win that game if they work hard enough.

Expect by mid-October to start seeing the New England region dominated by 5 Nescac teams. Amherst, Tufts, Midd, and 2 of either Wesleyan, Williams, Bowdoin and Conn. Bowdoin's schedule really softens to their advantage after they play Midd on Saturday and they could roll until they play Conn and Tufts at the end of October.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 22, 2015, 03:02:10 pm
Babson might have a strong SOS but it will not matter in the end because IMO they will have 6-7 losses by the time November rolls around

You are correct that it won't matter if they lose 6-7 times (or more) which is very possible unless they figure out a way to score goals.  However, the way SOS has been rewarded in recent years' selections, it could make all the difference with even as many as 5 losses.

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 22, 2015, 03:14:32 pm
WPI is better than I thought when I saw them play this year but I still think Wheaton is just as good and can win that game if they work hard enough.

Expect by mid-October to start seeing the New England region dominated by 5 Nescac teams. Amherst, Tufts, Midd, and 2 of either Wesleyan, Williams, Bowdoin and Conn. Bowdoin's schedule really softens to their advantage after they play Midd on Saturday and they could roll until they play Conn and Tufts at the end of October.

I think Wheaton fades with losses in at least 3 of their next five (at WPI, Brandeis, at Babson, Trinity, MIT).  With two losses already, they will have to avoid any other losses and still probably have to win the NEWMAC to make this year's NCAAs.  They have talent, but they are not the most disciplined/organized of teams and will give up goals they should not that will cost them against quality opponents.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on September 22, 2015, 03:20:06 pm
Wheaton could go 1-4 in the next five or 4-1.  Either seems very possible.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 22, 2015, 03:23:53 pm
Babson might have a strong SOS but it will not matter in the end because IMO they will have 6-7 losses by the time November rolls around

You are correct that it won't matter if they lose 6-7 times (or more) which is very possible unless they figure out a way to score goals.  However, the way SOS has been rewarded in recent years' selections, it could make all the difference with even as many as 5 losses.


2013 Was one of few years that teams like Brandeis and Williams got in with 5 and even 6 losses because everyone was beating each other up. Teams were not budging much in the regional rankings and were only dropping or rising 1 or 2 spots in the New England region that year. Brandeis and Williams had a very favorable Record v ranked that year and that is what got them in. They both actually hosted in the 1st round. That was the year of the CCC garnering 3 bids and almost 4 which was getting under Nescac fans skin that year.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on September 22, 2015, 03:24:26 pm
WPI is better than I thought when I saw them play this year but I still think Wheaton is just as good and can win that game if they work hard enough.

Expect by mid-October to start seeing the New England region dominated by 5 Nescac teams. Amherst, Tufts, Midd, and 2 of either Wesleyan, Williams, Bowdoin and Conn. Bowdoin's schedule really softens to their advantage after they play Midd on Saturday and they could roll until they play Conn and Tufts at the end of October.

I tend to agree. The prevailing impression seems to be that NESCAC is very strong this year, and since there isn't some real surprise team like Coast Guard taking a spot from NESCAC, I could see them getting 4 teams in and arguing for 5.

Last year Tufts was too low in the last ranking at #6.  They should NOT have been in a position to be "on the bubble" even though those were the facts going into last year's tournament.  Should have been Brandeis, Amherst, and Wheaton (MA) and Tufts tied at #3.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 22, 2015, 03:26:05 pm
WPI is better than I thought when I saw them play this year but I still think Wheaton is just as good and can win that game if they work hard enough.

Expect by mid-October to start seeing the New England region dominated by 5 Nescac teams. Amherst, Tufts, Midd, and 2 of either Wesleyan, Williams, Bowdoin and Conn. Bowdoin's schedule really softens to their advantage after they play Midd on Saturday and they could roll until they play Conn and Tufts at the end of October.

I think Wheaton fades with losses in at least 3 of their next five (at WPI, Brandeis, at Babson, Trinity, MIT).  With two losses already, they will have to avoid any other losses and still probably have to win the NEWMAC to make this year's NCAAs.  They have talent, but they are not the most disciplined/organized of teams and will give up goals they should not that will cost them against quality opponents.



I disagree as Cushing has Wheaton very organized and is a very good coach. They might look from a distance as dis-organized but they are not. Now undisciplined they can be but that is generally because of a few "problem" players that goods senior leadership like they had last year took care of.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 22, 2015, 05:06:17 pm
ECSU getting their asses handed to them this afternoon, 2-0 Gordon at halftime!!  Painful and embarrassing to watch!  Being completely out played, out shot, out hustled, I don't even recognize what they are doing.  Hopefully DeVito talks some sense into them otherwise your looking 4+-0 final!

Not anywhere close to a top 100 team today.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 4231CenterBack on September 22, 2015, 06:17:16 pm
3-1 is actually kind to ECONN.  Could have been much worse.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 22, 2015, 07:03:48 pm
3-1 is actually kind to ECONN.  Could have been much worse.
Not really, Eastern had more chances as well in the second half, probably should have been tied 20 min in !!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 22, 2015, 07:14:13 pm
That was the year of the CCC garnering 3 bids and almost 4 which was getting under Nescac fans skin that year.

That boiled me. Seeing RWU, where I spent a year before transferring, completely derp its way into an at-large bid on the back of some veeeeery fortunate wins (Wheaton, Babson in 2OT, Gordon in the CCC game in which they scored on two defensive mistakes) and then winning in the first round against Rutgers-Newark in a game where they were dominated and scored three fluky goals was ridiculous. I will admit that Hoxsie was deserving of All-American, but his team absolutely did not deserve a bid and its victory over Rutgers-Newark has to go down as one of the great smash-and-grab raids. Thankfully Brandeis beat them in the NCAA second round at home and ended their season, which I found to be extra sweet. ;D
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 4231CenterBack on September 22, 2015, 07:18:09 pm
I was at the match.  Gordon 33 shots. ECONN keeper was fantastic....15 saves most of them point blank. Gordon played really well and Econn looked shell shocked.  It had to have be an off day for Econn.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 22, 2015, 07:26:35 pm
I was at the match.  Gordon 33 shots. ECONN keeper was fantastic....15 saves most of them point blank. Gordon played really well and Econn looked shell shocked.  It had to have be an off day for Econn.
I also watched the match, lots of pressure on the Gordon goalkeeper in the second half, ECSU could have easily tied the match irrespective of the total shots!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 4231CenterBack on September 22, 2015, 07:35:31 pm
Yeah they definitely pumped a lot of long balls into the box and were a bit dangerous. Other than that there wasn't a lot of soccer going on from Eastern Connecticut. That being said, I have a lot of respect for Eastern Connecticut....the last two times we played them they were great matches. Again it had to be an off day. The coach was reduced to yelling at his players telling them what to do on every play and screaming at the officials.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 22, 2015, 08:17:21 pm
Yeah they definitely pumped a lot of long balls into the box and were a bit dangerous. Other than that there wasn't a lot of soccer going on from Eastern Connecticut. That being said, I have a lot of respect for Eastern Connecticut....the last two times we played them they were great matches. Again it had to be an off day. The coach was reduced to yelling at his players telling them what to do on every play and screaming at the officials.



DeVito drives opposing coaches NUTS...Some do not trust him and others refuse to play him. He must say "man" 50 times a game. For what I believe is still a part-time gig he does one hell of a job in my book
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 22, 2015, 08:23:01 pm
That was the year of the CCC garnering 3 bids and almost 4 which was getting under Nescac fans skin that year.

That boiled me. Seeing RWU, where I spent a year before transferring, completely derp its way into an at-large bid on the back of some veeeeery fortunate wins (Wheaton, Babson in 2OT, Gordon in the CCC game in which they scored on two defensive mistakes) and then winning in the first round against Rutgers-Newark in a game where they were dominated and scored three fluky goals was ridiculous. I will admit that Hoxsie was deserving of All-American, but his team absolutely did not deserve a bid and its victory over Rutgers-Newark has to go down as one of the great smash-and-grab raids. Thankfully Brandeis beat them in the NCAA second round at home and ended their season, which I found to be extra sweet. ;D




Yes I remember thinking to myself after the 1st round on Saturday night how did WNEC , RWU and Gordon all just win 1st round matches. They played MIT, Rutgers Newark and ECONN respectively. The Rutgers Newark result surprised me the most losing to RWU. What did you think of the old timer who just retired Jim Cook. I actually posted this summer that I thought the job would be a good start for a young coach and that there is talent in the area if you look and can squeeze thru admissions.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 22, 2015, 08:51:12 pm
UMass Boston has now handed Wentworth their first L of the season, in a 3-1 victory.  Elton Teixeira, assisted by Mohamed Kenawy (times 2), was all the Beacons needed in a well played relatively even match.  UMB will be very dangerous this season with excellent D and a whole host of skillful forwards serviced by competent midfielders. I predict UMB will likely appear in the top 25 next week.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 22, 2015, 09:15:44 pm
Yes I remember thinking to myself after the 1st round on Saturday night how did WNEC , RWU and Gordon all just win 1st round matches. They played MIT, Rutgers Newark and ECONN respectively. The Rutgers Newark result surprised me the most losing to RWU. What did you think of the old timer who just retired Jim Cook. I actually posted this summer that I thought the job would be a good start for a young coach and that there is talent in the area if you look and can squeeze thru admissions.

Never impressed with him. An OK guy from my limited interaction with him, but I observed no real tactical plan during my year there - they aspired to be a possesion team but most of it was aimless possession that never really resulted in anything.

Since I left, which was incidentally the fall that Hoxsie arrived, their strategy essentially became "give the ball to Hoxsie and hope he bails us out." It worked for them a couple of times, as in 2013 he scored both goals each time in big away victories over Wheaton and Babson, and RWU managed to pick up lucky wins away at Gordon and then Rutgers-Newark (a game where they were outshot 28-9, Rutgers-Newark should have been 4-0 up at the half.) However, when they played Brandeis, Cook got completely out-coached by Coven and Margolis, who set up the Brandeis CBs to double-mark Hoxsie and completely shut off his service from midfield. Hoxsie was in their pocket all night, I think he got one shot off the whole game. Part of that was that the Judges' CBs Lanahan and Brondoli both played very well, but a lot of it came down to that Cook was out-coached and had no Plan B in the event that Hoxsie got shut down.

Greenslit, the former Wheaton assistant, actually took over this summer. I think he will do a good job, he coaches the Bolts and he has a pretty extensive pedigree so I would expect that they will improve tactically and perhaps recruiting-wise. They beat MIT at home, but at the same time got hammered by Vassar and lost at ECSU and Wentworth, so I think they are a work in progress.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on September 22, 2015, 09:33:30 pm
UMass Boston has now handed Wentworth their first L of the season, in a 3-1 victory.  Elton Teixeira, assisted by Mohamed Kenawy (times 2), was all the Beacons needed in a well played relatively even match.  UMB will be very dangerous this season with excellent D and a whole host of skillful forwards serviced by competent midfielders. I predict UMB will likely appear in the top 25 next week.

2nd loss for Wentworth.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 22, 2015, 10:11:47 pm
UMass Boston has now handed Wentworth their first L of the season, in a 3-1 victory.  Elton Teixeira, assisted by Mohamed Kenawy (times 2), was all the Beacons needed in a well played relatively even match.  UMB will be very dangerous this season with excellent D and a whole host of skillful forwards serviced by competent midfielders. I predict UMB will likely appear in the top 25 next week.

2nd loss for Wentworth.
Correct, the other L WNEU  :-[
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 22, 2015, 10:14:07 pm
Yeah they definitely pumped a lot of long balls into the box and were a bit dangerous. Other than that there wasn't a lot of soccer going on from Eastern Connecticut. That being said, I have a lot of respect for Eastern Connecticut....the last two times we played them they were great matches. Again it had to be an off day. The coach was reduced to yelling at his players telling them what to do on every play and screaming at the officials.



DeVito drives opposing coaches NUTS...Some do not trust him and others refuse to play him. He must say "man" 50 times a game. For what I believe is still a part-time gig he does one hell of a job in my book
Thanks Mr Right BTW +k for all your insightful posts
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Ommadawn on September 22, 2015, 11:49:59 pm
Curry quietly at 9-0. Gordon looms on October 3rd.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 23, 2015, 12:13:12 pm
Curry is 9-0-0 with 10 games remaining and not one of the 19 games will be against a regionally ranked team in my estimation unless Gordon gets ranked. What happens if they finish 19-0-0 and lose in the CCC tournament? They will most likely have a SOS of .510-.520 if lucky.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 4231CenterBack on September 23, 2015, 02:25:02 pm
Endicott is already regionally ranked and they're pretty good....at least it's the best Endicott team that I've ever seen. Gordon should be regionally ranked next week after easily beating #4 Eastern Connecticut, and then if all goes according to plan, beating number #6 Wentworth this Saturday.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 23, 2015, 02:52:06 pm
I am not talking NSCAA ranked I am talking the committee rankings the last 3 weeks of the year. Anytime I mention regionally ranked that is what I am referring to
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 27, 2015, 09:12:49 am
ECSU comes back after the disaster at Gordon with a win over conference rival WCSU 4-1 in Willimantic, Xavier Doran with a hat trick, Tyler Jones with another. 

UM Boston destroys U Southern Maine, Pedro DaSilva with 4 goals, USM had back-up GK in goal and had major problems, a couple just slipping through his hands!  Anyone up against UMB will have to deal with the special technical skills of forwards Sr. DaSilva, Sr. Teixiera, Jr. Barros, and midfielders So. Kang and Fr. Kenaway.  29 goals scored to date.
A solid defense centered around Juniors 6'2"Pedro De Carvalho, and  6'1"Arlindo Goncalves will be tough to score against, giving up just 3 goals in 8 games.
ECSU will have to play a superior game to beat the Beacons on Oct 10 and for the LEConference
see highlights below:
http://www.beaconsathletics.com/sports/m-soccer/2015-16/releases/20150926vpp5hj
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on September 29, 2015, 09:27:51 am

New England Region Week 3 Projections:

1. Amherst (4)     6-0
2. Brandeis (15)    7-1
3. Tufts      (19)    5-1
4. MA-Boston (RV) 7-0
5. ECSU                7-1-1
6. WPI                  8-1-1
7. Gordon             6-2
8. MIT                  6-1
9. Endicott            6-1-1
10.Wheaton          7-3
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 29, 2015, 09:55:49 am

New England Region Week 3 Projections:

1. Amherst (4)     6-0
2. Brandeis (15)    7-1
3. Tufts      (19)    5-1
4. MA-Boston (RV) 7-0
5. ECSU                7-1-1
6. WPI                  8-1-1
7. Gordon             6-2
8. MIT                  6-1
9. Endicott            6-1-1
10.Wheaton          7-3

Not bad.  Gordon and Wheaton will not make it and the bottom couple of spots will be teams with fewer losses or stronger schedules --- two of Bates (5-1-1), Springfield (7-1), Wesleyan (4-2) or Conn (5-2).
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on September 29, 2015, 10:33:30 am

Definitely could see Bates cracking the top 10.  I could be overvaluing Gordon's W over ECSU, but I still see them getting ranked.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on September 29, 2015, 10:35:09 am

Ranking Tufts 19th nationally is also a little harsh, just not sure how they will be slotted nationally if they are 3rd in the region.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 29, 2015, 01:58:10 pm

Definitely could see Bates cracking the top 10.  I could be overvaluing Gordon's W over ECSU, but I still see them getting ranked.

Kudos.  I was wrong about both Gordon and Wheaton (though I am much more surprised about Wheaton with 3 losses already).
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Medicated Pete on September 29, 2015, 04:12:51 pm
 ??? anyone watching the Brandeis - Wheaton(MA) match...Is it a choppy stream or is my dial-up causing me issues :)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 29, 2015, 06:37:05 pm
ECSU with easy 2-0 win over Salem State!  Gibbs abd Jones with goals
Tufts extremely lucky to tie Wesleyan in Middletown!  2 Open goals attempts  missed by the Cardinals and a no call Tufts handball in the box !!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 30, 2015, 09:30:17 pm
UMass Boston finally scores with 5' left in 2OT to defeat Bridgewater St and keep an unblemished record!!   Defenses were key on both sides and keepers made outstanding saves, however UMB had most of possession and corners.

Nice game going on in Worcester with Amherst and WPI locked in 1-1 tie with 15' left in regulation
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 01, 2015, 09:11:11 am
I have my spreadsheet from last year that closely replicated the "real" regional rankings at the end of the season.  For what its worth, here is the spreadsheet rankings with results through yesterday:

1.  Amherst
2.  Brandeis
3.  Tufts
4.  UMass-Boston
5.  Eastern Connecticut State
6.  MIT
7.  WPI
8.  Endicott
9.  Connecticut
10. Bates
11. Middlebury
12. Gordon
13. Babson
14. Wesleyan
15. Wheaton
16. Curry
17. Springfield

The major flaw in this analysis is that it assumes the same SOS as for last year for each team.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 01, 2015, 12:37:36 pm
Pretty accurate except the SOS will play a huge factor. MIT's schedule is pretty weak. I would bump everyone from Bates up a slot and stick MIT after Bates.

On another note, After watching WPI play its heart out against Amherst last night that team is the best team in NEWMAC and deserves to be in the NCAA's. I am impressed in how that Muhlenberg grad has improved this program. Malcom McPherson the former Part-time coach is still on the bench as his assistant. I am curious if WPI made this a Full time gig. Either way that team can compete with anyone in New England if it works like it did last night.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 01, 2015, 12:43:11 pm
After watching a good portion of UMass-Bos last night I think they may well prevail over ECSU but will struggle if and when they get to the real New England powerhouses....Amherst, Tufts, Brandeis, or an Oneonta or SLU-type team.  I'm guessing that their stars will get marked out and grow increasingly frustrated and eventually capitulate.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 01, 2015, 12:54:30 pm
I only caught about 10 minutes of that game but UMASS Boston has some very technical players but you are correct that against the top level New England teams like Amherst, Brandeis,Tufts and Midd they would be at a disadvantage with the physicality of those teams. The UMASS Boston v Babson game might give us a better idea but Babson is not a top 10 New England side this year.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 01, 2015, 08:02:56 pm
I watched both the Amherst-WPI and UMass Boston -Bridgewater games, concurrently, catching 90% of the latter.  Mr Right is correct in that UMB saw some big physical backs at BS who limited the degree of penetration of UMB forwards.  However, first year players Kenawy and Martinez teamed up on a drive where the BS keeper came out to far and Kenawy brilliantly chipped the ball over his head, in the box, only to have it bounce off the crossbar.  This combo together with  combos which includes Teixeira, Barbosa and Dasilva will be dangerous and will have to be marked closely and often, as they not only have the technical skill but are fast and quick. In addition these guys are not shy at taking a drive from 20-30 yrds out and do well on set pieces.  BS did a good job of muscling these guys off the ball w/o fouling most of the match!!

Lastly, I agree that UMB has the edge over ECSU after watching both teams most of the season. If Eastern can take a tip from the way BS played defense, (I am sure Coach DeVito was watching and ECSU does have good size in the back), they may have enough offense to slip in the winning goal.  BS forwards Filipe Gomes and Connor Murtaugh each had excellent chances last night, but were rejected after fantastic saves by UMB keeper Rosales.

I also think Bridgewater may surprise some people this year!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Soccer Balls on October 02, 2015, 09:48:23 am
UMB first year players Kenawy and Martinez-D1 Northeastern recruits/commits who enrolled at UMB. Most likely to get grades/scores up, though I don't know that for a fact
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 02, 2015, 11:32:59 am
UMB first year players Kenawy and Martinez-D1 Northeastern recruits/commits who enrolled at UMB. Most likely to get grades/scores up, though I don't know that for a fact
Coach Beverlin has done some magic with his recruiting over the past couple of years!  Do you think Kenawy and Martinez will stay with the program for the next 3 yrs?  If so, and with the rest of the youngsters on this team, UMB is going to be nasty good for the foreseeable future!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 02, 2015, 12:19:15 pm
At 0-6-2 Ainscough needs more help than these 2 players. I would bet 200 bananas Ainscough is not at Northeastern after this year and just focuses on the Bolts
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 03, 2015, 12:03:14 pm
WOW...I was watching Midd v Colby and I tuned into the Bridgewater St v Framingham St match late in the second half. The minute I tune in Bridgewater st with its keeper in the box scores to tie the match 3-3 with about 30 seconds left. Great header goal but the defending by Framingham was horrendous
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 03, 2015, 12:59:12 pm

I also think Bridgewater may surprise some people this year!!




I agree. They look to have some size and athleticism. Not a highly skilled team but they can possibly stay with good teams by sitting deep and countering. They lost 1-0 to Brandeis and still have to play Babson and Wheaton. The MASCAC is a one bid league but Bridgewater is clearly the best team in the league. If they do not get upset in the conference tournament and get into the NCAA's, they could be one of those mid-week play in games with the #1 or #2 overall seeds waiting for them. Hopefully, they can avoid that situation and get into a week-end pod. If they do they could cause a team some problems especially if they come ready to play and stay organized defensively.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 04, 2015, 05:35:47 pm
Keene State drops a Little East Conference game to ECSU 2-0. 6'2"So Xavier Doran had a beautiful header off the Danny Manfeddi corner for one goal and JD Stearns scored the first goal off a breakaway and clinical finish.  Doran had a 30 yrd wonder goal, (see below), rocket off the dribble into the upper 90 in the hat trick with WestConn and is really stepping up big in these important conference games.

http://easternct.prestosports.com/sports/msoc/2015-16/videos/Xavier_Doran_Hat_Trick_Goal
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 05, 2015, 10:17:52 am
Updated New England rankings from the spreadsheet that closely replicated last year's "real" rankings.

1.  Amherst     8-0
2.  Brandeis     9-1
3.  UMass-Boston    10-0
4.  Eastern Connecticut State    9-1-1
5.  MIT           8-1
6.  Middlebury   6-1-1
7.  WPI           9-2-1
8.  Endicott     8-1-1
9.  Gordon      8-2
10.  Wesleyan   5-2-1
11.  Conn         6-2-1
12.  Wheaton    8-4
13.  Tufts          5-3-1
14.  Springfield   8-2

Note:  I can't duplicate the actual SOS without investing a lot of time to come up with OOWP data, but I have updated the spreadsheet with 2015 OWP numbers.

The real Strength-of-Schedule (SOS):

The weighted OWP-OOWP, never specified but deduced to be
 2/3 OWP + 1/3 OOWP
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 06, 2015, 10:26:10 am
Beating a dead horse, but there's a ton of parity this year not just nationally but also in New England, as evidenced by this week's regional rankings (http://www.nscaa.com/rankings/4557). Who would have guessed, for example, that CCC teams Gordon and Endicott would both be in the regional top 10 ahead of Middlebury and Tufts?

CCC: While I'm a little unsure that either of the two CCC sides mentioned are indeed better than Midd or Tufts, I do think that the CCC teams are perhaps finally getting equal footing in regional rankings. Aside from the absolute farce of a year, 2013, when three CCC teams made the Tournament and were all knocked out in the first two rounds - Gordon by Amherst, WNE by Williams, and Roger Williams by Brandeis - I think the CCC actually hasn't been given its due. But with Endicott picking up a good point against Calvin and Gordon beating ECSU, I think they are in about the right place. Drop another conference game or two, though, and I think their places might become untenable.

NESCAC: While Midd has only lost one game, and plays an admittedly much more difficult conference schedule than anyone in the CCC, its absolute joke of a non-conference schedule means that it hasn't really been tested yet. I think we'll have a much better idea about Midd after this weekend - once they play Tufts and Wesleyan. Tufts, meanwhile, started the year #1 and garnered much praise from all corners, who possibly considered them the team to beat not just in the NESCAC but nationally - myself included. However, an 0-3-1 stretch has the Jumbos looking like half of the team they were before. A mid-season blip, or showing of its true colors? I imagine the former, as two of those losses were hard-luck and came in 2OT, but you never know.

Bottom line: If you're talking a one-loss CCC team vs. a one-loss NESCAC team in a tie for a certain spot, I would hands down give it to the NESCAC side. That said, when the NESCAC teams are racking up three, four losses, and ties to go with it, and the CCC team only has one loss, I think you've got to give the lesser-blemished side its due.

UMASS-Boston is another interesting one that I haven't quite decided how I feel about. The Beacons are 10-0, which is admittedly impressive. However, it is worth remembering that while last year's side finished with 14 wins and got to the NCAA Tournament, they got hammered 8-0 by Tufts. Their game against ECSU this weekend will be a great indicator of where they are. While I'm selfishly disappointed they didn't schedule Brandeis or Tufts, as both games would have been great matches as well as being super convenient for me, I have to give them kudos for putting Babson away and MIT away on the schedule, as those are both programs with good pedigrees and will be good tests for the Beacons.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 06, 2015, 11:01:02 am
Beating a dead horse, but there's a ton of parity this year not just nationally but also in New England, as evidenced by this week's regional rankings (http://www.nscaa.com/rankings/4557). Who would have guessed, for example, that CCC teams Gordon and Endicott would both be in the regional top 10 ahead of Middlebury and Tufts?

CCC: While I'm a little unsure that either of the two CCC sides mentioned are indeed better than Midd or Tufts, I do think that the CCC teams are perhaps finally getting equal footing in regional rankings. Aside from the absolute farce of a year, 2013, when three CCC teams made the Tournament and were all knocked out in the first two rounds - Gordon by Amherst, WNE by Williams, and Roger Williams by Brandeis - I think the CCC actually hasn't been given its due. But with Endicott picking up a good point against Calvin and Gordon beating ECSU, I think they are in about the right place. Drop another conference game or two, though, and I think their places might become untenable.

NESCAC: While Midd has only lost one game, and plays an admittedly much more difficult conference schedule than anyone in the CCC, its absolute joke of a non-conference schedule means that it hasn't really been tested yet. I think we'll have a much better idea about Midd after this weekend - once they play Tufts and Wesleyan. Tufts, meanwhile, started the year #1 and garnered much praise from all corners, who possibly considered them the team to beat not just in the NESCAC but nationally - myself included. However, an 0-3-1 stretch has the Jumbos looking like half of the team they were before. A mid-season blip, or showing of its true colors? I imagine the former, as two of those losses were hard-luck and came in 2OT, but you never know.

Bottom line: If you're talking a one-loss CCC team vs. a one-loss NESCAC team in a tie for a certain spot, I would hands down give it to the NESCAC side. That said, when the NESCAC teams are racking up three, four losses, and ties to go with it, and the CCC team only has one loss, I think you've got to give the lesser-blemished side its due.

UMASS-Boston is another interesting one that I haven't quite decided how I feel about. The Beacons are 10-0, which is admittedly impressive. However, it is worth remembering that while last year's side finished with 14 wins and got to the NCAA Tournament, they got hammered 8-0 by Tufts. Their game against ECSU this weekend will be a great indicator of where they are. While I'm selfishly disappointed they didn't schedule Brandeis or Tufts, as both games would have been great matches as well as being super convenient for me, I have to give them kudos for putting Babson away and MIT away on the schedule, as those are both programs with good pedigrees and will be good tests for the Beacons.

Blooter,
Excellent commentary.  +k.  After watching UM Boston a number of times, I have noticed, while they have talented players, there is a bit of arrogance in the way they play.  Perhaps I use the wrong terminology, as it is a bit hard to explain, but hopefully Coach Beverlin nudges them out of this "attitude" on the pitch, before they get to the NCAA tournament, or they will get a rude awakening when they play top ranked NESCAC, NJAC, or SUNYAC sides. 
As I stated before, ECSU will have to play strong physical D vs the Beacons and have an A+ game from the scoring side if they want to have a chance at winning the conference and the auto bid.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 06, 2015, 11:15:55 am
Blooter,
Excellent commentary.  +k.  After watching UM Boston a number of times, I have noticed, while they have talented players, there is a bit of arrogance in the way they play.  Perhaps I use the wrong terminology, as it is a bit hard to explain, but hopefully Coach Beverlin nudges them out of this "attitude" on the pitch, before they get to the NCAA tournament, or they will get a rude awakening when they play top ranked NESCAC, NJAC, or SUNYAC sides. 
As I stated before, ECSU will have to play strong physical D vs the Beacons and have an A+ game from the scoring side if they want to have a chance at winning the conference and the auto bid.

Much appreciated. As I said, not sure how I feel about UMASS-Boston, but Gordon and PSU aside I have been impressed with what I've seen so far from ECSU. Really don't think there's much between the two teams, and like I said, UMB hasn't really had any significant tests yet, while ECSU has gone on the road and done well this year. I'd say the Warriors have a very good chance on Saturday, as well as in the conference tourney.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 06, 2015, 12:13:31 pm
This is exactly what happened in 2013 as Nescac teams were beating each other up. The difference this year is that Newmac teams are doing the same. I believe the regional rankings in a couple weeks will look a BIT different than the coaches poll. Gordon still has Tufts and Endicott has Williams. If those 2 CCC sides win those games then I will agree with you that they deserve my praise
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 06, 2015, 12:35:28 pm
That is interesting, and you're correct Mr.Right, the NEWMAC has really beat up on each other this year, unlike in 2013 when MIT and Wheaton were the clear favorites. WPI seems to be the favorite in the NEWMAC - three-horse race between MIT, Wheaton, and Babson for second. I'd pick MIT out of the three of them thus far, but MIT has played mostly weak competition, although if they were able to get a result at Brandeis tonight I think that would get people talking.

Did not know that Gordon scheduled Tufts. Kudos to them. I remember Endicott had Williams on the schedule last year but didn't know they were playing this year. That one should be a very even game. I think CCC schools scheduling a NESCAC game or two during the year not only behooves them in the sense that they're "battle-tested," but also allows us to really get a sense for where they are in the NE region. If you just run train and go 11-1 or something like that and win your conference tournament, but then stumble in the first two rounds of NCAAs then that doesn't make for a great narrative. It's worth mentioning that the three CCC teams that made it in 2013 all did make it out of the first round, but then promptly fell in the second round. A game or two against a NESCAC team might have helped them be more ready.

That said, it would really behoove other CCC teams like RWU to consistently schedule either a nearby NESCAC - perhaps Tufts, Conn, or Wesleyan - or Brandeis. I know Roger Williams has had Wheaton and MIT this season, handing MIT its only loss so far, and they usually have Babson on the schedule, but no Beavers this year, and I think playing Wesleyan last year was a one-off. I know the Brandeis and Roger Williams women used to play pretty much every year up until 2014, but from what I remember the men had not played at all in recent history until the 2013 Tournament 2nd Round. Obviously schedules are dependent on a number of factors, but Brandeis and Roger Williams would be a no-brainer: it's literally an hour up 95, both schools have lights so either could host, and they could easily pull it off in a weeknight. Then again, RWU isn't so competitive this year, so perhaps it makes sense that they took Babson off and didn't replace them with another opponent of similar caliber.

Update: I stand corrected - WNE in particular actually has had a NESCAC (mostly Wesleyan) on the schedule most years. That said, nobody - not even Amherst - could stop Williams in '13 (or '12, for that matter.)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 06, 2015, 01:01:28 pm
Well it is tough because Nescac's only have 5 out of conference games. Hamilton will stay strictly in Upstate NY. The 3 Maine schools will stay mostly in Maine except Bowdoin has always played Babson and used to usually play Wheaton. Colby surprisingly took on Wheaton this year. Middlebury stays in Vermont. Amherst has gradually gotten better with WNEC and WPI. So it might be more Nescac's fault than anyone else's. I know at the past Nescac coaches meeting they discussed out of conference scheduling because they were disappointed only Tufts and Amherst got At-large bids.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 06, 2015, 03:06:44 pm
Nice update on UMass Boston from D3Soccer!!
http://www.d3soccer.com/seasons/men/2015/contrib/20151006l3tm0d
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 06, 2015, 04:12:33 pm
Wheaton vs. Trinity is shaping up nicely so far...Lyons went up 1-0 in the first 10 minutes but Trinity has responded well and only an excellent point-blank save from the Wheaton GK has kept them off the board. Finely poised.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 06, 2015, 09:16:53 pm
Brandeis 0 MIT 0
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 07, 2015, 02:01:43 pm
Strength-of-Schedule (SOS):

The weighted OWP-OOWP, never specified but deduced to be
 2/3 OWP + 1/3 OOWP

Samples of some current OWPs (Opponents winning %):
Babson        78-34-5   0.688
Brandeis      72-38-6   0.646
Amherst      44-33-6    0.566
Middlebury   38-34-4   0.526
Mass-Boston 56-55-2  0.504
ECSU           50-52-7   0.491
MIT             42-62-2   0.406

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 07, 2015, 02:36:19 pm
Strength-of-Schedule (SOS):

The weighted OWP-OOWP, never specified but deduced to be
 2/3 OWP + 1/3 OOWP

Samples of some current OWPs (Opponents winning %):
Babson        78-34-5   0.688
Brandeis      72-38-6   0.646
Amherst      44-33-6    0.566
Middlebury   38-34-4   0.526
Mass-Boston 56-55-2  0.504
ECSU           50-52-7   0.491
MIT             42-62-2   0.406



That does not bode well for Little East teams and MIT, which frankly is shocking. Brandeis is looking at hosting if they can go pretty clean rest of the way...

What about Wesleyan and Conn and WPI?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 07, 2015, 03:37:01 pm
Wesleyan     44-37-6   0.540
Conn           44-45-8   0.499
WPI             61-67-8   0.449

Note that these opponent's winning percentages are through games scheduled including today, but they do not include games yet to be played beyond 10/7.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: TennesseeJed on October 07, 2015, 04:06:41 pm
Babson just goes up 1-0 on UMass-Boston in about 30'.  Live stats crediting Mandel for shot, w/ assist by Parker.  Ball clearly hit off defender and then snuck by GK into the goal.  Some question whether it will be considered an own goal or not.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 07, 2015, 04:14:29 pm
Martinez on UMASS-Boston has the most outrageous hair. I'm genuinely impressed.

Babson is such an enigma. They got a good draw against RPI a couple of weeks back and now have UMB facing their first deficit all season if I am not mistaken, but have lost at home to Wheaton and MIT. They have a tough schedule, but four losses at this point doesn't make for great reading.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: TennesseeJed on October 07, 2015, 04:27:34 pm
Martinez on UMASS-Boston has the most outrageous hair. I'm genuinely impressed.

Babson is such an enigma. They got a good draw against RPI a couple of weeks back and now have UMB facing their first deficit all season if I am not mistaken, but have lost at home to Wheaton and MIT. They have a tough schedule, but four losses at this point doesn't make for great reading.

Martinez's hair is awesome!  Agreed on the Beavers, but a big upset for UMB if Babson holds the 1-0 lead or better through 2H.  I didn't see any real brilliance on either side from what I saw of 1H (which was not all of it).  Putting aside their NCAA chances this year and their record, I give them high marks for playing a tough schedule all the way through the season.  At least their losses are to Eastern CT, Brandeis, Wheaton and MIT, all of whom are legit match-ups and all 1 pt games except ECT.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: TennesseeJed on October 07, 2015, 05:16:40 pm
Babson takes a W vs. UMASS Boston 1-0 after a scoreless 2H.  Hope that Mandel gets credit for the goal, even if a deflected goal, rather than it being an own goal on UMB. 

Normally agree a bit more closely w/ some Massey rankings, but surprised that UMB was second in Massey. 

Congrats to the Beavers for a good W at home.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 07, 2015, 05:21:51 pm
While I've gotta give credit to UMASS-Boston for playing Babson straight up, and while they did get a little unlucky on the goal, Babson did seem to much more "know-how" in terms of slowing the game down, particularly in the second half. They never looked flashy or electric, but they definitely looked the more "solid" of the two sides and never seemed to lose control of the game.

I didn't see the first 40 mins, but I got the impression that Babson were worthy winners. Sure, UMB definitely had more shots and some decent chances, but their athleticism was outdone by composure. Babson would have been battle-tested playing Brandeis, Wheaton, MIT, etc., while UMB was coming in without a real legit win (despite their trip out west.) Just goes to show that playing a tough schedule does help to prepare you for the big games.

I like Beverlin, I think he's done a great job turning that program around, but it just goes to show that UMB has a ways to go, particularly when facing established programs that have the know-how of controlling games - which, while an intangible, is an important factor I think.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 07, 2015, 05:25:32 pm
Babson 1 UMB 0

SHOTS             1   2   TOTAL
Mass-Boston     9   7     16
Babson             8   4     12

SAVES             1   2   TOTAL
Mass-Boston    4   2      6
Babson           4    5      9

CORNER KICKS 1   2  TOTAL
Mass-Boston     0   1    1
Babson             3   2    5

FOULS              1   2   TOTAL
Mass-Boston    1    6     7
Babson            5   10   15
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 07, 2015, 05:30:04 pm
ECSU 0 CT College 1..... final
No video or Live stats so will wait for box score

Does not look like a good day for the LEC!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NERevs127 on October 07, 2015, 06:53:20 pm
Box Score of Conn - ECSU is up. Conn scored in the 53rd minute and handled the game on paper:

SHOTS
Eastern Connecticut   2   4   6
Connecticut College  10   3   13

SAVES
Eastern Connecticut   3   1   4
Connecticut College   1   3   4

CORNER KICKS
Eastern Connecticut   3   1   4
Connecticut College   3   4   7

FOULS
Eastern Connecticut   3   0   3
Connecticut College   8   6   14
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 07, 2015, 07:26:57 pm
While I've gotta give credit to UMASS-Boston for playing Babson straight up, and while they did get a little unlucky on the goal, Babson did seem to much more "know-how" in terms of slowing the game down, particularly in the second half. They never looked flashy or electric, but they definitely looked the more "solid" of the two sides and never seemed to lose control of the game.

I didn't see the first 40 mins, but I got the impression that Babson were worthy winners. Sure, UMB definitely had more shots and some decent chances, but their athleticism was outdone by composure. Babson would have been battle-tested playing Brandeis, Wheaton, MIT, etc., while UMB was coming in without a real legit win (despite their trip out west.) Just goes to show that playing a tough schedule does help to prepare you for the big games.

I like Beverlin, I think he's done a great job turning that program around, but it just goes to show that UMB has a ways to go, particularly when facing established programs that have the know-how of controlling games - which, while an intangible, is an important factor I think.



From what I saw I love the "flair" of UMASS Boston and would much rather watch them than a stoic Babson side for entertainment reasons. I think MIT will physically beat them down as they just need some more physicality with all that skill.

Beverlin has done a nice turn around job but let's not forget this program was elevated to full time status for the coach when they hired him. Obviously, money is pouring into the school like they have not seen before and with more and more boarders more money will be coming in. I mean a trip to the northwest for UMASS Boston would have been unthinkable just 5 years ago. Just pray they do add a cash greedy football program that will suck all resources from every other athletic team. i.e UMASS AMHERST...That is a bit different as that sucks money and scholarships but still
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 08, 2015, 09:57:58 am
SOS (opponent's winning percentage) thru 10/7 for top NE teams:

                                         OWP      Current record       Still to play:
1.  Tufts             56-23-9    0.687       5-3-1                  Middlebury, Gordon, Bates, Williams, Bowdoin
2.  Babson          78-35-5    0.682       6-4-1                  Bowdoin, Springfield, Williams, WPI
3.  Brandeis        72-38-6    0.646       9-1-1                  Case Western, Chicago, Washington U, Emory, Rochester
4.  Wheaton        85-51-9    0.617       8-5-0                  MIT
5.  Wesleyan       44-37-6    0.540       6-2-1                  Middlebury, Williams, Amherst, Conn
6.  Amherst         48-41-7    0.536       9-0-0                 Conn, Bates, Wesleyan
7.  Wentworth     69-61-3    0.530       9-3-0                  Endicott
8.  Middlebury     38-34-4    0.526       6-1-1                  Tufts, Wesleyan, Bates, Williams
9.  Gordon          56-53-1    0.514       8-2-0                  Tufts, Endicott
10. Mass-Boston  57-55-2    0.509      10-1-0                 ECSU, MIT
11. Bowdoin        36-35-5    0.507       4-2-2                  Babson, Conn, Tufts
12. Conn             45-45-8    0.500       7-2-1                  Bates, Amherst, Bowdoin, Wesleyan
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13. ECSU             50-52-7   0.491       9-2-1                  Mass-Boston
14. Bates             39-43-7   0.478       6-2-1                  Conn, Tufts, Amherst, Middlebury
15. WPI               61-67-8   0.449       9-3-1                  Springfield, Babson, MIT
16. Endicott         48-68-4   0.417       9-1-1                  Williams, Wentworth, Gordon
17. MIT               42-62-2    0.406      8-1-1                   Wheaton, Mass-Boston, Springfield, WPI
18. Springfield      41-69-4   0.377      9-2-0                   WPI, Babson, MIT

No team with a SOS below 0.500 received a Pool C bid last year.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 08, 2015, 03:12:44 pm
SOS (opponent's winning percentage) thru 10/7 for top NE teams:

I know that Off Pitch understands this (at least I think he does), but just for people new to all this . . . SOS does not equal OWP.  SOS  = 2/3 OWP + 1/3 OOWP.

Quote
No team with a SOS below 0.500 received a Pool C bid last year.

Just to reiterate, hardly ever has a team with a sub .500 SOS been ranked, nevermind been selected for an at-large berth. 

In fact, in 2010 the committee had a .500 SOS threshhold in order to be ranked, but that created such a backlash after the first two weekly rankings were released (high flying Dominican having been the most glaring omission) that they relented in the third week of the rankings.
 
Last year Luther dropped from #2 in the first North Region rankings to unranked the very next week despite winning both their games and only one team below them in the first rankings getting a quality win and two actually losing or tying. But Luther's SOS dropped from .519 to .493 due to numerous of their previous opponents having had bad weeks, so draw your own conclusions.

The point is a team with a SOS below .500 can forget about being ranked and thus selected.  And an SOS below .550 means very slim chance of being selected (gonna need a very high win pct. and multiple wins versus ranked teams).  Last year Cortland St. (14-4-1) and Dominican (14-5-2) got in with the lowest two SOS's, which were at .547 and .545 going into the final week, but probably climbed over .500 with their conference semifinal and final opponents being added to the calculation.

P.S.  People tend to point to Salisbury, Dickinson and Rochester when questioning the omission of John Carroll, Brockport St., etc. from last year tournament, but Dominican with five losses, only one win vs. a ranked team, and the lowest SOS of the at-large selections is was questionable as any.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 08, 2015, 03:43:59 pm
I presented the SOS formula in replies #236 and #246 in this thread.  It is not that difficult to come up with the OWP data, however the OOWP data is not possible with my simple spreadsheet without literally spending hours (and then it would all change again after the weekend).  Consequently, I just presented the part that I have for informational (not necessarily predictive) and recreational use.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 08, 2015, 03:52:22 pm
Understood, Off Pitch.  Just thought that someone new to the thread/discussion (who wasn't following along earlier) could get the wrong idea they way you wrote SOS (opponent's winning percentage).  No intent to give you a hard time.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Christan Shirk on October 08, 2015, 04:44:25 pm
Just a word of caution and clarification.  Obviously it's next to impossible to do the full SOS calculation on your own.  So, yes, just considering the OWP gives you a ball park feel that's pretty useful.  But (and I'm stealing my own thunder for an article I'm preparing for the website) there's a few other wrinkles in the calculations that effect the OWP that I don't believe anyone is accounting for (and maybe not remembering or even aware of).

So, it's not even "as simple" as just SOS = 2/3 OWP + 1/3 OOWP.

(1) A team's result against each opponent is removed from each opponents W-L-T record before computing their winning percentage.  Now this is relatively minor, so again, for ease and simplicity can be neglected.  (The same thing is done for computing each opponent's opponents' winning percentage, the OOWP).

(2) There are multipliers for home and away games that factor each opponent's winning pct. up (away game) or down (home game).  (The same thing is done for computing each OOWP).  And these factors are not insignificant.

          Factored OWP = opponent's winning pct. x SOS multiplier

          Multipliers:
          0.85 for home games (or -15%)
          1.25 for away games (or +25%)

So there's a 40% value difference between home and away games.  That means that playing a team a little over .500 away is as helpful to your SOS as playing a team a little under .800 at home as can be illustrated as follows:

          Away game: .543 win pct.  x  1.25 home/away multiplier  =  .677 factored OWP

          Home game: .792 win pct.  x  0.85 home/away multiplier  =  .673 factored OWP

Interesting, isn't it?  Two teams with a difference in winning percentages of .249 contribute the same to a team's SOS if the better team is played at home and the lesser team is played on the road.  What does everyone think about that?  The multipliers are pretty drastic, aren't they?  And it can really affect a team's SOS if in a given year by happenstance they host most of the top teams in their conference versus playing them away, or vice versa.

So, I do not want to discourage the simple method of collecting the straight OWP (without removing the head-to-head result and without applying the home/away multiplier), but everyone should be aware that these components of the calculations can make the actual numbers somewhat different that the quick and dirty ones being thrown out there.  How much different will vary of course.  And there's usually going to be some balancing out within each team's calculations.  But it certainly could change who has a better SOS among a group of teams. 

So things to keep in mind.  Maybe the home/away multipliers could be accounted for in the OWP calculations to be a little more accurate without getting too burdemsome.  And I hope you'll all still read my upcoming article on D3soccer.com even though I just gave a good chuck of it away!  ;)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 08, 2015, 04:51:28 pm
My Day, Month, and maybe year has been made today as the Boys in Green, Republic of Ireland just upset Germany 1-0 on a Shane Long break away and clinical finish at the 65' mark.  This puts them tied for second place in point in Group D of the UEFA Euro qualifiers!!!!!!!!!!!  Poland and Scotland played to a 2-2 draw  ;D  Poland on Sunday in Poland!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 08, 2015, 04:55:33 pm
I like it as it gives you more "points" for road wins. Maybe just a little to much as Home should be 1.00 and Away 1.25
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 08, 2015, 05:47:11 pm
Well, you get the extra "points" for your SOS win or lose.   By the way, Mass-Boston has 14 of their 18 games AWAY this season. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 08, 2015, 06:06:27 pm
My Day, Month, and maybe year has been made today as the Boys in Green, Republic of Ireland just upset Germany 1-0 on a Shane Long break away and clinical finish at the 65' mark.  This puts them tied for second place in point in Group D of the UEFA Euro qualifiers!!!!!!!!!!!  Poland and Scotland played to a 2-2 draw  ;D  Poland on Sunday in Poland!!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2577319-shane-long-puts-ireland-in-front-against-world-champs-germany-in-euro-qualifying?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web-des-art-top-20
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 09, 2015, 02:14:22 pm
Well, you get the extra "points" for your SOS win or lose.   By the way, Mass-Boston has 14 of their 18 games AWAY this season.





So since I am not a #'s guy and more of a guesser what type of impact will this have?

They are 9-1-0 on the road now against some decent teams with better records than they really are and some really bad teams with bad records. If they finish 13-1-0 on the road was is the estimated impact as far as OWP and OOWP and SOS and all that?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: TennesseeJed on October 09, 2015, 02:58:45 pm
Just a word of caution and clarification.  Obviously it's next to impossible to do the full SOS calculation on your own.  So, yes, just considering the OWP gives you a ball park feel that's pretty useful.  But (and I'm stealing my own thunder for an article I'm preparing for the website) there's a few other wrinkles in the calculations that effect the OWP that I don't believe anyone is accounting for (and maybe not remembering or even aware of).

So, it's not even "as simple" as just SOS = 2/3 OWP + 1/3 OOWP.

(1) A team's result against each opponent is removed from each opponents W-L-T record before computing their winning percentage.  Now this is relatively minor, so again, for ease and simplicity can be neglected.  (The same thing is done for computing each opponent's opponents' winning percentage, the OOWP).

(2) There are multipliers for home and away games that factor each opponent's winning pct. up (away game) or down (home game).  (The same thing is done for computing each OOWP).  And these factors are not insignificant.

          Factored OWP = opponent's winning pct. x SOS multiplier

          Multipliers:
          0.85 for home games (or -15%)
          1.25 for away games (or +25%)

So there's a 40% value difference between home and away games.  That means that playing a team a little over .500 away is as helpful to your SOS as playing a team a little under .800 at home as can be illustrated as follows:

          Away game: .543 win pct.  x  1.25 home/away multiplier  =  .677 factored OWP

          Home game: .792 win pct.  x  0.85 home/away multiplier  =  .673 factored OWP

Interesting, isn't it?  Two teams with a difference in winning percentages of .249 contribute the same to a team's SOS if the better team is played at home and the lesser team is played on the road.  What does everyone think about that?  The multipliers are pretty drastic, aren't they?  And it can really affect a team's SOS if in a given year by happenstance they host most of the top teams in their conference versus playing them away, or vice versa.

So, I do not want to discourage the simple method of collecting the straight OWP (without removing the head-to-head result and without applying the home/away multiplier), but everyone should be aware that these components of the calculations can make the actual numbers somewhat different that the quick and dirty ones being thrown out there.  How much different will vary of course.  And there's usually going to be some balancing out within each team's calculations.  But it certainly could change who has a better SOS among a group of teams. 

So things to keep in mind.  Maybe the home/away multipliers could be accounted for in the OWP calculations to be a little more accurate without getting too burdemsome.  And I hope you'll all still read my upcoming article on D3soccer.com even though I just gave a good chuck of it away!  ;)

This is really helpful in trying to understand at least some of what the NCAA does for Pool C.  Thanks!

Well, you get the extra "points" for your SOS win or lose.   By the way, Mass-Boston has 14 of their 18 games AWAY this season.

So since I am not a #'s guy and more of a guesser what type of impact will this have?

They are 9-1-0 on the road now against some decent teams with better records than they really are and some really bad teams with bad records. If they finish 13-1-0 on the road was is the estimated impact as far as OWP and OOWP and SOS and all that?


So there's a 40% value difference between home and away games.  That means that playing a team a little over .500 away is as helpful to your SOS as playing a team a little under .800 at home as can be illustrated as follows:

          Away game: .543 win pct.  x  1.25 home/away multiplier  =  .677 factored OWP

          Home game: .792 win pct.  x  0.85 home/away multiplier  =  .673 factored OWP

Based on Christian's great post above, they get a big boost from the number of away games they've played vs. other teams who will play more games at home.  Impossible to say exactly what the specific/exact/actual impact is (without a pretty sophisticated computer model) because it depends on opponents and opponents' opponents schedules and records...and it'll change every time any of the teams plays a game...
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 09, 2015, 03:21:53 pm
Yes but it can be done and is very impactful in the New England region if UMASS Boston does not win the Little East. It's getting to be mid-October and I was curious to throw it out there. We have seen numerous models, tables, spread sheets, crack math and guesses..I just figured one could figure the impact this will have on the rest of New England. Seeing they will have a very limited Record v Ranked I imagine it will soften the blow for other New England schools
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: TennesseeJed on October 09, 2015, 04:56:21 pm
Yes but it can be done and is very impactful in the New England region if UMASS Boston does not win the Little East. It's getting to be mid-October and I was curious to throw it out there. We have seen numerous models, tables, spread sheets, crack math and guesses..I just figured one could figure the impact this will have on the rest of New England. Seeing they will have a very limited Record v Ranked I imagine it will soften the blow for other New England schools

Totally agree...I can definitely handle the math, but just not the time it would take to do it...and keep it current.  Love to see it if someone else does the work!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 09, 2015, 06:56:49 pm
Yeah, it's not the level of math required that's the problem.  It's the volume of math to be done.  To do the full SOS calculation for just one team is a massive undertaking. It involves at the moment, assuming a 10-match average per team, a total of 1000* results . . . for just one team's SOS!  And that keeps growing as the season progresses.  Trying to do it for just the top 20 or so teams in a region is already getting beyond what can reasonably be done in a spreadsheet, nevermind trying to do it for the entire region or for the top 20 in all eight regions. 

* calculated as follows:

[10 matches of the team of interest] + [the 10 matches of each of the 10 opponents of the team of interest, minus the matches versus the team of interest] + [the 10 matches of the 10 opponents of the 10 opponents of the team of interest, minus the matches versus the opponents of the team of interest]
= [10] + [(10 x 10) - 10] + [(10 x 10 x 10) - (10 x 10)]  =  [10] + [100 - 10] + [1000 - 100]  =  10 + 90 + 900  =  1000

OR, more simply, . . .

103  =  1000
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 11, 2015, 07:56:09 pm
Mr.Right, do you know the history of how the NEWMAC was formed?  Someone asked me a few days ago how and why MIT is in the NEWMAC instead of perhaps the UAA.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Ommadawn on October 11, 2015, 08:13:53 pm
Mr.Right, do you know the history of how the NEWMAC was formed?  Someone asked me a few days ago how and why MIT is in the NEWMAC instead of perhaps the UAA.

I don't want to step on Mr. Right's toes and I hope he'll correct any of the mistakes in my foggy recollection, but I think that the NEWMAC was formed by combining schools from the Constitution Athletic Conference (a men's conference that consisted of Babson, Clark, MIT, Springfield, Coast Guard, WPI, and Wheaton) with the NEW 8 women's conference.  I'm not sure why MIT either chose not to join the UAA or was not invited to do so.

The NEWMAC website says:

"About the NEWMAC

The New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference (NEWMAC) is an association of 11 selective academic institutions that are committed to providing high quality competitive athletic opportunities for student-athletes within an educational and respectful environment that embodies the NCAA Division III philosophy.

The NEWMAC was established in 1998, when the former New England Women's 8 Conference (NEW 8) voted to begin sponsoring conference play and championships for men.  At this time, the conference expanded its membership to include Springfield College and the United States Coast Guard Academy. Emerson College became the 11th full-time member of the conference on July 1, 2013.

The NEW 8 began play in 1985-86 as the New England Women's 6 Conference (NEW 6).  Charter members were Babson College, Brandeis University, MIT, Smith College, Wellesley College and Wheaton College. Mount Holyoke College and WPI joined in 1988 and the name was changed to the NEW 8 Conference.  At the conclusion of the 1994-95 academic year, Brandeis University withdrew from the NEW 8 to join the University Athletic Association and Clark University accepted membership, keeping the NEW 8's membership at eight institutions."
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 11, 2015, 09:39:33 pm
Ommadawn, much appreciated.

The Brandeis move is interesting and now in 2015 seems very savvy.  I wonder if that happened simultaneous with Johns Hopkins leaving the UAA.  I got interested a couple of weeks ago in how the UAA schools make it work and discovered that other than soccer, basketball may be the only other sport where they travel the same way.  In sports like swimming, track, tennis, etc they play an in-region schedule and then have a weekend or two for a sort of a conference jamboree with all the UAA teams.  Smart stuff.

Think about the seismic shifts in conference re-alignments in D1 over the past 5-10 years.  Now that is revenue driven as much as prestige driven, but if you think about it just under the general concept of marketing, one can come up with some interesting arrangements.  The NESCAC as an idea is pure brilliance.  Think about how much Trinity and Conn College benefit from being NESCAC members.  Think about the draw being strong enough to attract Hamilton that already was with a very attractive set of schools in the Liberty.  NESCAC isn't just brand-name, it's a brand, and a brand that plays off of the Ivy brand.

If I could be NCAA D3 commissioner for a day....

Imagine Messiah, Wheaton (Ill), Calvin, Hope, and Gordon as the foundation of a new conference, and imagine all of those schools playing each other in soccer every single year.

Imagine MIT in the UAA instead of the NEWMAC.

Imagine a midwest "NESCAC" with Carleton, Macalester, Grinnell, Oberlin, Kenyon, DePauw, Denison, St Olaf, and maybe Centre and even W&L.

Cost obviously would be a huge consideration, and I'd be curious to know how much cost-difference there is in operating the UAA vs other conferences. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Nutmeg on October 11, 2015, 09:43:55 pm
Ommadawn, much appreciated.

The Brandeis move is interesting and now in 2015 seems very savvy.  I wonder if that happened simultaneous with Johns Hopkins leaving the UAA.  I got interested a couple of weeks ago in how the UAA schools make it work and discovered that other than soccer, basketball may be the only other sport where they travel the same way.  In sports like swimming, track, tennis, etc they play an in-region schedule and then have a weekend or two for a sort of a conference jamboree with all the UAA teams.  Smart stuff.

Think about the seismic shifts in conference re-alignments in D1 over the past 5-10 years.  Now that is revenue driven as much as prestige driven, but if you think about it just under the general concept of marketing, one can come up with some interesting arrangements.  The NESCAC as an idea is pure brilliance.  Think about how much Trinity and Conn College benefit from being NESCAC members.  Think about the draw being strong enough to attract Hamilton that already was with a very attractive set of schools in the Liberty.  NESCAC isn't just brand-name, it's a brand, and a brand that plays off of the Ivy brand.

If I could be NCAA D3 commissioner for a day....

Imagine Messiah, Wheaton (Ill), Calvin, Hope, and Gordon as the foundation of a new conference, and imagine all of those schools playing each other in soccer every single year.

Imagine MIT in the UAA instead of the NEWMAC.

Imagine a midwest "NESCAC" with Carleton, Macalester, Grinnell, Oberlin, Kenyon, DePauw, Denison, St Olaf, and maybe Centre and even W&L.

Cost obviously would be a huge consideration, and I'd be curious to know how much cost-difference there is in operating the UAA vs other conferences.

That Messiah, Wheaton, Hope, etc. conference would be most excellent!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 12, 2015, 01:08:12 pm
Ommadawn, much appreciated.

The Brandeis move is interesting and now in 2015 seems very savvy.  I wonder if that happened simultaneous with Johns Hopkins leaving the UAA.  I got interested a couple of weeks ago in how the UAA schools make it work and discovered that other than soccer, basketball may be the only other sport where they travel the same way.  In sports like swimming, track, tennis, etc they play an in-region schedule and then have a weekend or two for a sort of a conference jamboree with all the UAA teams.  Smart stuff.

Think about the seismic shifts in conference re-alignments in D1 over the past 5-10 years.  Now that is revenue driven as much as prestige driven, but if you think about it just under the general concept of marketing, one can come up with some interesting arrangements.  The NESCAC as an idea is pure brilliance.  Think about how much Trinity and Conn College benefit from being NESCAC members.  Think about the draw being strong enough to attract Hamilton that already was with a very attractive set of schools in the Liberty.  NESCAC isn't just brand-name, it's a brand, and a brand that plays off of the Ivy brand.

If I could be NCAA D3 commissioner for a day....

Imagine Messiah, Wheaton (Ill), Calvin, Hope, and Gordon as the foundation of a new conference, and imagine all of those schools playing each other in soccer every single year.

Imagine MIT in the UAA instead of the NEWMAC.

Imagine a midwest "NESCAC" with Carleton, Macalester, Grinnell, Oberlin, Kenyon, DePauw, Denison, St Olaf, and maybe Centre and even W&L.

Cost obviously would be a huge consideration, and I'd be curious to know how much cost-difference there is in operating the UAA vs other conferences.







So there are a ton of variables that play into this answer, all of which I either remember correctly or might miss a detail or 2.

I will be blunt, so if I offend oh well....Some of this is opinion not fact but opinion and good opinion. Also, I tend to get off topic on these long answers because I lose concentration so I have that going for me.



1. MIT does not need the UAA because well MIT is MIT. You yourself praised the UAA schools for joining together in the mid-80's to give deserved recognition to their schools to a more national and international audience rather than a regional one. That was done for the usual reasons $$$$$ and prestige, better students make for better alums that make for more endowment, etc...

2. I have no idea why Johns Hopkins backed out but I would guess it is because well Johns Hopkins is Johns Hopkins and also did not need the UAA. Hopkins and MIT already had national and international recognition.

3. My guess is Brandeis NEEDED the UAA more than the UAA needed Brandeis. By the mid-80's Brandeis' endowment was not good and they were in need of like most of these schools more recognition. The great thing about the UAA is that all these schools need each other and like most leagues there are some that need them more than others. My guess is Brandeis is one that needed the UAA more than most.

Some schools make decisions for one reason or another that I have no answer for. In 1982 when the Nescac schools told Union to either drop D1 Hockey or leave Nescac, Union chose D1 Hockey.

In the mid to late 80's when Williams and Amherst alums were pressuring their respective presidents to consider to allow their student athletes to participate in the highest level of their respective sports, FACULTY balked and so did 2 Maine Presidents at Bates and especially Colby. Eventually, Alums and their $$$ won and to temper faculty's concerns they said the biggest sport Football would remain an 8 game schedule and No NCAA's. Colby's President in the late 80's and early 90's for whatever reason was 100% against this move and he fought it valiantly for about 3 years but he knew he was fighting a losing battle. WHY? Because Amherst and Williams do not need Nescac, they MAKE Nescac. Nescac does not need Colby but most certainly Colby needs Nescac.

Is it elitist? YES Is it true? YES....

Also, in 2009-2010 after the financial crisis hit when Hamilton's president for whatever reason(most likely $$$$) wanted to be more associated with that Nescac prestige instead of quite frankly Liberty League schools that besides RPI and Union had very lax admissions standards and decent but weak endowments. Because Hamilton was a previous member and still a member in Football they were allowed back into the league. She wanted that prestige even if it meant for all athletic teams to travel 8-9 hours to Maine for athletic events. $$$ talks..

Back to the question..in the 90's D2 schools began fizzling out for whatever reason. Springfield, Coast Guard and Clark were all D2 schools. I imagine they all merged because it made sense. I forgot what I was answering but anyway the real interesting thing was when the financial crisis hit in 2008-09 ALL colleges and Universities FELT it including Williams, Amherst, MIT, Harvard, etc..
but Brandeis FELT IT the MOST. They were HIT hard for whatever reason. So they needed to make cuts and slash budgets and all that good stuff. Now you would think the 1st thing they would look into was why were they spending hundreds of thousands of dollars flying sub-standard athletic teams across the East and Midwest to get lit up in most sports. BUT NO....They needed the UAA more than anything else and even if I remember correctly they were considering selling off $40 Million in Art or whatever and letting great faculty and staff go because they were high earners. Never once did I read about Brandeis ever thinking about leaving the prestigious UAA.

Back to the answer...MIT is MIT and I do not know if they were asked to join the UAA but my guess is that even if they were they didn't need to.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 12, 2015, 01:28:18 pm
Mr.Right.....with all due respect....that is GREAT STUFF!

Agree with your points about Brandeis and even Colby needing the UAA and NESCAC, and Williams, Amherst, MIT, Hopkins not needing anything.  And in that vein, the move to go UAA looks brilliant for Brandeis, a really good school but without a real sistership in New England that needed a place to "fit in."  I sometimes think of Holy Cross the same way, as an always highly ranked school that never really gets discussed in the same breath as the NESCACs (and I don't think it's just because HC is D1).

The point about Union is VERY interesting.  I've always thought of Union as a close cousin to Trinity and Conn.  The D1 hockey makes sense, especially since they recently have been going to Frozen Fours and won a national title.  Union also is so close to RPI and Skidmore that the 3 of those together make sense.

In your other Hamilton analysis and best schools in Liberty, you forgot about Vassar, but hey, loved the post.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 12, 2015, 02:03:38 pm
Well done Mr.Right.

I just think it's interesting that, with all due respect to the rest of the conference which does boast some great schools, MIT is above all other NEWMAC schools in terms of prestige and academics, so I myself would think that they might look elsewhere. But you're right, they really don't "need" to be part of any particular conference because they have their tradition and prestige. I don't want to start a big discussion about it, but I think that Bates could be added to the list of schools that "need" the NESCAC - it's very similar to Colby in terms of selectivity, academics, prestige, endowment, etc...and geography.

I didn't start at Brandeis until after the financial crisis, but I think you're absolutely right that it has a strong interest in maintaining its UAA membership. The UAA is a prestigious group, and sharing a conference with UChicago, WashU, etc. certainly is good for its reputation. What's interesting, though, is that while Brandeis is well-known nationally and is academically on the same level as some of the NESCACs - I picked Brandeis over two NESCACs - it's not as well known as some of the NESCACs by casual NE college searchers, particularly outside MA. That said, many top employers and grad schools are well aware of Brandeis, so while in casual NE college conversation it's not as oft-mentioned, in more academically-inclined circles Brandeis is well-known. Enough about my alma mater, but I just wanted to draw a parallel to what my thoughts have been.

What is pretty interesting, though, is that a lot of NE folks rate UAA schools highly without knowing what conference they belong to. For example, New Englanders would go "Oh, Chicago, WashU, Carnegie, those are fantastic schools," yet have not the slightest idea which athletic conference they belong to. I've been guilty of this as well - before I researched Hopkins leaving the UAA, I had no idea they were in the Centennial. Same thing with top west coast schools like Pomona and Pizter, which are far more selective than the majority of NESCACs (12-13% acceptance rates), but couldn't begin to tell you what "conference" they were in. Meanwhile, everyone knows that Williams and Amherst are NESCACs - that speaks to the point you made before about Williams and Amherst "making" the NESCAC.

Either way, you've provided some great points and interesting stuff.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 13, 2015, 03:09:39 pm
So far this looks like a controlled scrimmage for Tufts.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Nutmeg on October 13, 2015, 03:17:52 pm
So far this looks like a controlled scrimmage for Tufts.

Yes, tufts absolutely dominating play. Kayne slicing thru them..only a matter of time
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Ommadawn on October 13, 2015, 03:20:22 pm
WNEU up 1-0 early on UMass Boston.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 13, 2015, 03:54:09 pm
Interesting to see Pinheiro getting on the scoresheet. He often does the dirty work that goes unnoticed, but IMHO he's not as dominant as last year — he's had a pretty quiet season up to this point. To be fair to him, Kayne is often the star of that Tufts midfield that everyone seems to notice, so I'm probably not giving him enough credit, but just my candid observations.

Regardless, a good team has to be able to spread its scoring around, and Tufts certainly does that (even with Majumder's six goals.) Tufts dominating, but to Gordon's credit the SOG count is even at 2-2.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 13, 2015, 04:20:47 pm
What is going on in that UMASS Boston v WNEC game? 3 goals in 5 minutes?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 13, 2015, 09:23:54 pm
Endicott is pretty good.  They will not be a pushover in the tournament and they could take a Pool C if they don't get the AQ.  They shouldn't be awed when they get to the tournament having played Calvin, Tufts and Williams.

That said, Endicott does have a tricky stretch coming with WNEC, Wentworth, Salve, and Gordon.  Winning the CCC tournament will not be a breeze, and Endicott needs to go 3-0-1 or at least 3-1 in those last 4 to feel fairly confident about a Pool C.  I'm gonna guess that Gordon needs the AQ.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 13, 2015, 09:25:35 pm
Eastern defeats Fitchburg St 4-0 tonight in Fitchburg MA.  However, I thought ECSU played poorly tonight, ie they rarely connected on more than a couple of passes at any one time, and turned the ball over too many times, hoofing the ball up field for most of the match.  Xavier Doran had a nice set piece goal, just outside the 18 and lined it through a hole in the wall, and almost stuck another liner like the one vs WCSU from 30 yrds off the dribble, but 2 others by Justen Jensen and JD Sterns were more catching the GK out of position on long passes vs working short passes, then creating space in the box for decent shots, ( a la UM Boston)!!  A lot of the match reminded me of  high school level play.  ECSU got called for 10 off sides in the first half!  I don't know if that was Eastern timing or a line ref who raised his flag when a shoe lace was off side, probably a little of both.  The Warriors really need to practice their technical skills, if they want to defeat the best in D-III. 
Anyway, the positives were another clean sheet for Ryan Murphy who really wasn't bothered tonight, the opportunity for some of the lesser used players getting some action, and Eastern backs, DeAmbrosio, Casiedo, Neuendorf an Lombardo having another solid performance frustrating just about all Falcon attacks.



SHOTS                  1   2   TOTAL
Eastern Conn. St.   11 6     17
Fitchburg St.           4  9     13

SAVES                   1   2  TOTAL
Eastern Conn. St.   0   3      3
Fitchburg St.          4   1      5 

CORNER KICKS     1   2  TOTAL
Eastern Conn. St.  3   1     4
Fitchburg St.         1   2     3

FOULS                 1   2  TOTAL
Eastern Conn. St. 3   4      7
Fitchburg St.        8   8     16
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 13, 2015, 09:41:39 pm
Endicott is pretty good.  They will not be a pushover in the tournament and they could take a Pool C if they don't get the AQ.  They shouldn't be awed when they get to the tournament having played Calvin, Tufts and Williams. ... I'm gonna guess that Gordon needs the AQ.

Endicott is, IMO, far and away the strongest side in the CCC. That said, they do have some tough games still to come. Would be the first CCC title for the Gulls in a while, I believe. They have Gordon at home which could be crucial to home-field advantage throughout the playoffs, and they'll be playing with confidence at home after getting a very good point against Williams, in a game in which the stats seemed pretty even (EC actually outshot Williams 16-14, with SOG at 4-4.)

My guess is Gordon definitely needs the AQ. It's not so much about playing good teams as getting results against good teams, and they're currently 0-3 against ranked opponents. I admire them for putting them on the schedule, and hey, better to lose to a ranked opponent than to lose to an unranked opponent, but the rest of their schedule doesn't make for great reading.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Sandy on October 14, 2015, 10:28:21 am
The Warriors really need to practice their technical skills, if they want to defeat the best in D-III. 

Which I don't think is gonna happen. They're too reliant on the long ball and this game plan is the reason some of their players are in the position they're in.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 14, 2015, 10:44:10 am
Blooter's Beliefs

I figured I'd start a quasi-weekly informal wrap-up of happenings and thoughts in the NE region. I'm obviously not as well versed on the Midwest, South, etc., so I'll keep it to NE for now, but I am working to educate myself more on other regions all the time.

First, a correction to my previous post on this thread - Gordon is 1-2 against ranked opponents, as they did beat ECSU when they were ranked #19. Still think they need that AQ.

Slipping under the radar yesterday was Trinity's 0-0 tie with WCSU, who is now 4-6-2. The Bantams can really be a threatening outfit on their day, but - much like Bates - can't seem to put a good run together (ironically, in Bates' case, it followed up a big win at Williams with a 2-1 loss at home to Trinity.) It's great that they have Savonen back, as he is an excellent player and has often made the difference for Trinity in the past couple of years. That said, he's got to put those performances together on a more consistent basis - there seem to be a significant number of one-offs. I think he is due for a big senior year, as I think he has the talent to be just as good as his brother on an individual level (his brother did have the benefit of playing with and learning from teammates like S. Ocel and Russo, while I don't think Trinity has the same level of talent.) He just needs to stay focused, but I think he could be one of the standout players in the NESCAC next year.

Still not sold on UMass-Boston, even with their OT win away to WNE yesterday. I really do like the way they attack with some good flair and skill, and they have some exciting players, but they really need to work on their composure. You could see it in the Babson game last week. Once UMB went down 1-0 in the 30th minute or so, there was no way back for them. Babson looked firmly in the driving seat the rest of the game, and they honestly never looked like losing - part of that is probably because Babson knows how to close out games against good opposition (although that trend was perhaps bucked on Monday against Bowdoin.) Anyway, UMass-Boston had 0 composure. Zero. They attacked with numbers the rest of the game, but they never looked like scoring because they were too frantic and couldn't string anything together. They were hard done by against ECSU and may well win the LEC, but I would bet money (just kidding) that they wouldn't make it to the second round of the Tournament, let alone out of the second round.

Two days after beating then-No. 16 Case on the road, Brandeis labored to a 1-0 victory over Mass. Maritime at home last night. Mind you, this is a squad that the Judges beat 6-3 at home in 2013 (many second-stringers in) and 3-0 away last year. However, unlike the MIT game last week, Brandeis looked firmly in control the whole game, and the low-scoring nature can perhaps be partially attributed to the fact that Mass. Maritime parked the bus and played 10 men behind the ball the whole game. Brandeis made tons of changes to keep players fresh for the weekend, and a good number of reserves got significant minutes. Goal came from a great delivery from Ocel that was finished off by Flahive, and Ocel himself hit the post later. The only chance that MMA actually had was when the Brandeis reserve keeper came for a loose ball and was beaten to it, but Lanahan was there to boot the ball off the line - it was never threatening enough to go in. Anyway, another W for the Judges and a good tune-up for this weekend's big games against Chicago and WashU, which thankfully for the Judges are at home.

Many of us - myself included - looked a bit foolish after predicting that Amherst-Conn. would be a 1-0 game. I thought that, Tufts aside, Conn. had the best chance to give Amherst fits. Well, as the Jeffs proved first against Middlebury and then yesterday, you cannot fall asleep against them, even in the first minute and especially on a corner kick. I don't like their style - it is direct and ugly in my opinion - but boy is it effective. The front three of NPL, Martin, and Singer may be the best front three that the NESCAC has seen in quite some time, and I would even put it above Tufts' attacking trio of last year in Santos, Hoppenot, and Brown (although I'd make a case for Santos being on the same level as NPL.) Earlier, I said that I thought Amherst would have to learn to play with more finesse if they expected to compete for a national championship, but I think with the amount of parity this year and the fact that they've won all of their cliffhangers, that this very well could be their year. One thing's for sure - there is a new NESCAC favorite in town.

I said that I liked Endicott against Williams last night, and while I didn't know that they would walk away with a win I did think that they'd be good enough to get the draw. They did. While Williams has had its own issues this year, it is still a proud program with a very good coach capable of picking up big wins like at RPI last week, so there's no doubt that they came looking for the win. I'm not saying that Endicott is Sweet Sixteen material or anything, but I think that if there was any doubt whether they were an NCAA-capable team or not, it has been eliminated. I'd say Round of 32 is very realistic, and at 10-1-2, they look far and away the best team in the CCC. That said, I'm sure Gordon will have something to say about that. Regarding Williams, I think that Sullivan is an excellent coach and - even with the talent of Rashid and his understanding of the NESCAC - it was always going to be difficult to come in and implement his philosophy in the first year. I firmly believe that he'll have Williams right back in the hunt for the NESCAC title within the next couple of years.

Having beaten Middlebury in a huge game on Saturday, Tufts did well to keep things going yesterday with a good 1-0 result at home to Gordon in a game where the Jumbos never really looked threatened. To be fair to Gordon, they did well to stifle the Jumbos' creativity, and even threatened once or twice on the counter; if my memory serves me right, they had a ball cleared off the line in the first half, although Tufts dominated the statistics. Anyway, I think Gordon is a very good squad that has put together some good records in recent times, but its still looking for that marquee result to announce their "arrival" as a true contender in the NE region. In my observations, I see a lot of parallels between where Gordon is and where Brandeis was back in 2011 or so, before the Judges announced themselves with a 2OT victory over Babson in 2012 and then cemented their status as an NE power by beating Tufts at home last year 2-0. I've watched Gordon a few times and I think they're almost there. Bring in another really solid recruiting class, get them to buy into the system, and they'll be a side that nobody will look forward to.

Lastly, Babson and Bowdoin. When Babson went up 1-0 against the run of play, I thought that it was going to be just like last year's NEWMAC win over Wheaton, where the Beavers went to Keefe Field and stole the NEWMAC title away from the Lyons. However, Bowdoin rattled off four goals in the second half to win 4-1. Babson has just about the same squad that it did last year, but without Laurenzo to bail them out they look much more average, like the 2013 side that went 11-8-1. I think Kaplan will come good, as he's scored some big goals and is still a sophomore. Bowdoin is an unspectacular 4-3-2, and while I don't think they're as good as last year, I think they've been hard-done by - losing away to Amherst in the last 10 mins, dropping a 1-0 game home against Williams, etc. I always maintained that Bowdoin, even in its down years, was a good team that just never played to its potential - potential that was finally realized in last year's NESCAC playoffs. If they can get back to the NESCAC playoffs, I think they'll be a threat. Wiercinski is a good coach, both tactically and in terms of man-management, and he'll always have his team set up to do well.

That's all for this week, folks. Stay tuned for next week (or, if not then, whenever I can remember.)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 14, 2015, 10:44:43 am
Nice job, blootster!

Just so there is no confusion, and as Mr.Right has pointed out a couple of times, the only "versus ranked teams" that matters comes in another couple of weeks or so with the official regional rankings.  Whether an opponent was ranked in a top 25 or NSCAA regional poll earlier in the season, now, or even later won't matter in terms of crediting a team with wins and draws versus "ranked" when the selection cmte goes about selecting the Pool Cs.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 14, 2015, 10:48:13 am
Nice job, blootster!

Just so there is no confusion, and as Mr.Right has pointed out a couple of times, the only "versus ranked teams" that matters comes in another couple of weeks or so with the official regional rankings.  Whether an opponent was ranked in a top 25 or NSCAA regional poll earlier in the season, now, or even later won't matter in terms of crediting a team with wins and draws versus "ranked" when the selection cmte goes about selecting the Pool Cs.

Yes I have a question about that. So lets say Team A plays Team B. Team B is regionally ranked 7/10. Team A wins. Team B then spirals and loses out to finish season unranked regionally in the final 2 polls. Does this still count as a win vs. a ranked opponent since they were regionally ranked in the first NCAA poll that mattered? Thanks in advance for any helpful response to this!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 14, 2015, 10:48:52 am
Nice job, blootster!

Just so there is no confusion, and as Mr.Right has pointed out a couple of times, the only "versus ranked teams" that matters comes in another couple of weeks or so with the official regional rankings.  Whether an opponent was ranked in a top 25 or NSCAA regional poll earlier in the season, now, or even later won't matter in terms of crediting a team with wins and draws versus "ranked" when the selection cmte goes about selecting the Pool Cs.

Thank you, and thanks for the clarification. I'm just referring to them informally as "ranked teams" because they were ranked at the time the two teams played, but I did not know the official definition. That said, what you said makes total sense - after all, it really doesn't matter what you were ranked in September when it comes to November!  ;)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 14, 2015, 10:54:54 am
Nice job, blootster!

Just so there is no confusion, and as Mr.Right has pointed out a couple of times, the only "versus ranked teams" that matters comes in another couple of weeks or so with the official regional rankings.  Whether an opponent was ranked in a top 25 or NSCAA regional poll earlier in the season, now, or even later won't matter in terms of crediting a team with wins and draws versus "ranked" when the selection cmte goes about selecting the Pool Cs.

Yes I have a question about that. So lets say Team A plays Team B. Team B is regionally ranked 7/10. Team A wins. Team B then spirals and loses out to finish season unranked regionally in the final 2 polls. Does this still count as a win vs. a ranked opponent since they were regionally ranked in the first NCAA poll that mattered? Thanks in advance for any helpful response to this!

FW is the expert on these matters.  There are 3 official regional rankings published and then 1 unpublished, and they don't start for another couple of weeks or so.  If a team is ranked in the first of the published 3 rankings but not the last 2 I believe that still counts as a result with a "ranked" team.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 14, 2015, 11:01:15 am
There is no relationship or certainly no binding relationship between the NSCAA regional rankings that we've seen getting posting in threads the last few weeks and the regional rankings to come from the NCAA.  The only ones that really matter are the latter.  And it's not just that being ranked in a national poll earlier in the season doesn't matter, as, although very unlikely, a team could be ranked top 5 in one of the two national polls and not be ranked (or ranked highly) in the all-important NCAA regional rankings.  A couple of years ago I believe Randolph wsa ranked top 15 most of the season in national polls and ended up unranked or lowly ranked when the NCAA regional rankings finally came out...and Randolph ended up not getting a bid.  Luther may have been a bit similar last year.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 14, 2015, 11:02:45 am
Right. The 3 dates I believe are the next 3 Wednesdays. Oct 21, 28, and Nov. 4 for NCAA regional rankings.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 14, 2015, 11:05:00 am
Right. The 3 dates I believe are the next 3 Wednesdays. Oct 21, 28, and Nov. 4 for NCAA regional rankings.

Yep, I'm sure FW will post a link to an exhaustive explanation about how the whole thing works.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 14, 2015, 11:57:08 am
blooter442
I figured I'd start a quasi-weekly informal wrap-up of happenings and thoughts in the NE region. I'm obviously not as well versed on the Midwest, South, etc., so I'll keep it to NE for now, but I am working to educate myself more on other regions all the time.

EXCELLENT JOB!!! +k
Re UMBoston, I think you are right in that the Beacons tend to lose composure when they fall behind.  I think they have a few too many players who think they can win every game and this does not serve them well.  Coach Berverlin will have to get their heads cleared if they he expects his team to advance deep into NCAA post season play.  However, if they can get their act together, they can be dangerous.  ECSU's win in regular season might not have been the best for the Warriors as now they will most likely will have to beat them twice to get the LEC title, (assuming they don't get knocked out).  All things considered,  I am not sure the Warriors are better than the Beacons!  WE WILL SEE!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 14, 2015, 12:16:00 pm
Endicott is pretty good.  They will not be a pushover in the tournament and they could take a Pool C if they don't get the AQ.  They shouldn't be awed when they get to the tournament having played Calvin, Tufts and Williams. ... I'm gonna guess that Gordon needs the AQ.


My guess is Gordon definitely needs the AQ. It's not so much about playing good teams as getting results against good teams, and they're currently 0-3 against ranked opponents. I admire them for putting them on the schedule, and hey, better to lose to a ranked opponent than to lose to an unranked opponent, but the rest of their schedule doesn't make for great reading.


It is actually more beneficial to lose to unranked teams than ranked ones. You must beat the ranked teams to get noticed especially Gordon who maybe plays 2-3 a year. With an under .550 SOS and a 1-2-0 record v ranked you can expect Gordon to sit at the #9,#10 and #11 spots in the New England Regional Rankings. If they lose again they will just drop off the board but you will not see them move up many spots if they keep winning the games on their schedule. The only exception will be Endicott who might be sitting at #7 or #8. This is also one of those situations where it would be beneficial for Gordon to beat Endicott once and then maybe get a draw against them and lose in PK's in the tournament final. That way Gordon gets 2 good results against a ranked team but also doesn't drop them off the rankings by beating them twice. This is why I liked it when you had the once ranked , always ranked because you would not find these type of situations.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 14, 2015, 12:17:54 pm
Blooter's Beliefs

I figured I'd start a quasi-weekly informal wrap-up of happenings and thoughts in the NE region. I'm obviously not as well versed on the Midwest, South, etc., so I'll keep it to NE for now, but I am working to educate myself more on other regions all the time.




Well done bloots.....
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 14, 2015, 05:02:46 pm
Projected "real" New England rankings based on games through 10/13 and modelled SOS:

1.  Amherst
2.  Brandeis
3.  Tufts
4.  Mass-Boston
5.  MIT
6.  Middlebury
7.  ECSU
8.  Endicott
9.  Gordon
10.  Conn
11.  Wesleyan
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12.  Wentworth
13.  Springfield
14.  Bowdoin
15.  Babson
16.  Wheaton
17.  WPI
18.  Williams
19.  Bridgewater St.
20.  Bates
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 14, 2015, 10:04:54 pm
Oh dear. Wheaton's season goes from bad to worse with a 2-0 home loss to Bridgewater State. Currently sitting with 7 losses. Losing the two opening games to Wentworth and Ohio Northern was ominous, but they rebounded well enough. However, five losses in their last six - all by a goal - is brutal. Certainly a campaign to forget for Cushing's men given their normally high standards, but I expect that - like Babson did after their eight-loss campaign in 2013 - they'll bounce back.

Speaking of the Bears, they've quietly gone 10-2-1, and their only losses were to Brandeis and UMass-Boston. I saw them when they played Brandeis - nothing extraordinary but a good solid side nonetheless, and seeing their record now I'm not quite as frustrated as I was that night. They have to be the favorites in the MASCAC, right? I'm not super familiar with the league, but from what I know it's Fitchburg State, MCLA, Mass. Maritime, etc. and Fitchburg who won it last year I believe is 5-7 as it stands.

Elsewhere, Bates picks up a 2-1 win over Curry, who is a solid 10-5. Still, I think a 7-3-1 Bates should be winning more dominantly away from home against a CCC opponent. Nonetheless, Bates has 7 wins for the first time in as long as I can remember, so props to the Bobcats for giving us something to talk about this year.

Middlebury eking out a win over Castleton doesn't surprise me - they seem to play to the level of their opposition. When you match a good opponent, it's great, but when you get dragged down to playing like a mid-table side, it can be problematic and can cost you games in the long run. I like Conrad as he is a true CF and a good finisher, but I can't quite say I understand the hype about him as I think he gets taken out of games way too easily. He reminds me of Trevor Hoxsie of Roger Williams a couple of years ago (who, in case you forgot, was a second-team All-American) - brilliant and often makes the difference for his team, but double-mark him and shut off his supply, and he's essentially out of the game. That said, when you are the reigning NESCAC POY, you're going to be double-marked by pretty much every team you play. Still, he doesn't create enough for himself, and despite having many similarities as Amherst in terms of team size, style of play, etc. Middlebury not nearly as efficient as the Lord Jeffs.

One for the future: Thomas College. They're a good 9-4 so far this year, and while they've got one in-conference loss to Colby-Sawyer they did beat Colby away and took Bates to OT before falling. As I mentioned somewhere before, they got a real coup in landing Adam LaBrie and DJ Nicholas, two of the best players in Maine. LaBrie set the single-season scoring record at Yarmouth High School, which is currently the best program in Maine IMHO and has produced some talented players like Luke Pierce and Johnny Murphy, as well as Murphy's brother David. For his part, Nicholas scored more goals than Peabo Knoth despite being two years Knoth's junior and being on an NYA team that was far less potent than Knoth's Waynflete. Either way, Nicholas and LaBrie lead Thomas in scoring with 10 and 8 goals, respectively. Even as freshmen, I think they'd be good enough to start for a NESCAC team, perhaps a Bates or a Colby, and they'll only get better as they get older. Thomas was in NCAAs in 2012 and 2013, getting eliminated in the first round by Williams and St. Lawrence, respectively but even with losing Tre Ming after this year I think they could - with the right draw - make it out of the first round if they get back to the Tournament.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 15, 2015, 08:25:47 am

It is actually more beneficial to lose to unranked teams than ranked ones. You must beat the ranked teams to get noticed especially Gordon who maybe plays 2-3 a year. With an under .550 SOS and a 1-2-0 record v ranked you can expect Gordon to sit at the #9,#10 and #11 spots in the New England Regional Rankings. If they lose again they will just drop off the board but you will not see them move up many spots if they keep winning the games on their schedule. The only exception will be Endicott who might be sitting at #7 or #8. This is also one of those situations where it would be beneficial for Gordon to beat Endicott once and then maybe get a draw against them and lose in PK's in the tournament final. That way Gordon gets 2 good results against a ranked team but also doesn't drop them off the rankings by beating them twice. This is why I liked it when you had the once ranked , always ranked because you would not find these type of situations.

I wouldn't necessarily say it's more beneficial to lose to an unranked team because the more blemishes on your record the harder it will be to get an at-large bid. Goes back to a team like Haverford where they might end up playing 6 ranked teams and if they go 2-4 and 14-4 overall (just made up #s) they will most likely get a nod over a team who plays 2 ranked teams and goes 1-1 but loses 3 other times to average teams and finishes say 14-4. It might come down to an eyeball test but they will say hey the Fords played against 6 ranked teams and won twice with no slip ups against weaker teams as this other team played 2 and won once but lost three others to weaker teams. I guess it's all opinion but I feel that's how the process works. One loss against a bad team can crush any hope at an at-large as to where if you lose to a ranked team the committee is at least happy you played them. I'm done rambling now  ;D
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 15, 2015, 08:53:48 am
Mr. Right's point though is if you are going to lose, it's better that those loses come against unranked teams.  In other words, if two teams have the same overall 14-4-0 record, same .585 SOS, and same number of ranked opponents, who is going to be selected first?  The one with a 3-1-0 record versus ranked teams (with 3 losses to unranked teams) or the team with a 1-3-0 versus ranked teams (with just one loss to unranked teams)?  That's a no brainer for those of us who have followed the committee's rankings and at-large selections closely for a number of years.  Three wins versus ranked opponents impresses the committee who wants to know that a team can win against other top teams.  The committee doesn't seem to focus on the losses and who they came to as much as they want to see that a team has demonstrated they can beat top-level competition, the likes of which they will face in the NCAA tournament if selected.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 15, 2015, 09:00:37 am
I get what you are saying. That definitely makes more sense now. Thanks for the clarification!  :)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 15, 2015, 09:16:42 am
This is also one of those situations where it would be beneficial for Gordon to beat Endicott once and then maybe get a draw against them and lose in PK's in the tournament final. That way Gordon gets 2 good results against a ranked team but also doesn't drop them off the rankings by beating them twice.

But if getting to the Tournament is the sole aim, wouldn't it be better for them to beat Endicott on PK's in the CCC final? Or is there some kind of exterior bonus that comes with getting an at-large bid versus an AQ from a lesser conference?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 15, 2015, 01:25:46 pm
This is also one of those situations where it would be beneficial for Gordon to beat Endicott once and then maybe get a draw against them and lose in PK's in the tournament final. That way Gordon gets 2 good results against a ranked team but also doesn't drop them off the rankings by beating them twice.

But if getting to the Tournament is the sole aim, wouldn't it be better for them to beat Endicott on PK's in the CCC final? Or is there some kind of exterior bonus that comes with getting an at-large bid versus an AQ from a lesser conference?


Yes of course....I was just pointing out the fact that if they beat Endicott twice that will most certainly drop Endicott out especially if Endicott stumbles in other games
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 16, 2015, 07:17:55 pm
UMass-B is a real roller-coaster of a team.  I saw they were up 3-1 and then refreshed the scores a few minutes and now they're 3-3 with Western CT.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 16, 2015, 08:51:58 pm
Wow.  UMass-Bos goes down 4-3 after leading 3-1 and then Kenawy gets 2 goals late and UMass wins 5-4.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 16, 2015, 10:03:22 pm
Wow.  UMass-Bos goes down 4-3 after leading 3-1 and then Kenawy gets 2 goals late and UMass wins 5-4.

I'll take the anxiety of grinding out a 1-0 over that kind of stuff! ;)

As I said before, they have great talent but no composure. Since going down for the first time last week at Babo, they've either been down in or lost all of their games. As ECSUalum pointed out, they seem to have a few players who think they're going to win every game. And while that's a good mentality to have, it's hardly realistic and you don't get the W just by showing up.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 17, 2015, 09:13:14 am
Wow.  UMass-Bos goes down 4-3 after leading 3-1 and then Kenawy gets 2 goals late and UMass wins 5-4.

I'll take the anxiety of grinding out a 1-0 over that kind of stuff! ;)

As I said before, they have great talent but no composure. Since going down for the first time last week at Babo, they've either been down in or lost all of their games. As ECSUalum pointed out, they seem to have a few players who think they're going to win every game. And while that's a good mentality to have, it's hardly realistic and you don't get the W just by showing up.

It is funny I watched most of the WCSU-UMB game, but saw none of the Westconn goals, bad timing I guess. ;D  UMB has soo much creativity on the attack and Kenawy and DaSilva are master ball handlers, it looked like a blowout was coming, but Western hung in and started to play physical with the Beacons and then broke through with a goal!!  This was not a good performance re the Beacons defense, which I had praised last month, but now looks a bit suspect!  As has been said on these threads many times, the excellent teams always rise to the top as the season progresses, so it will likely be NESCAC, NCAC NJCAC, UAA teams in the finals rounds of this year's NCAA tourney.  However, let's wait and see.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 17, 2015, 11:58:58 am
UMASS Boston has great skill, flair and creativity. If was Beverlin I would start recruiting a GK and 2-3 Defenders who are big and physical. They do not need to be the most technical but they need leaders, size and toughness in the back that they do not have at the moment.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 17, 2015, 03:41:10 pm
So frustrating trying to watch ECSU vs USM, when the camera is pointed everywhere but at the action. Sadly Camera person just is not paying attention/ incompetent.  Either get someone who knows what they are doing or just provide the Live Stats my goodness!!!!!!! ???

ECSU 4-0 USM  Soph Xavier Doran with another hat trick.  ECSU in sole possession of 1st place in LEC with RIC and UM Dartmouth left.  RIC over Plymouth St 1-0

Eastern committed 1 foul in the match!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 17, 2015, 05:02:55 pm
Has Babson clinched a NEWMAC playoff spot? If not that 1-1 draw will bite. I do not think Babson has ever missed NEWMAC playoffs
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 18, 2015, 02:45:46 pm
Story of the Year (possibly): WILLIAMS IS BEATING BABSON 7-2!

Elsewhere Brandeis is losing to WashU 1-0 at half. Bears scored 5' in on a miscommunication, Judges hit the post shortly after. Exciting second half to come.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 19, 2015, 10:34:11 am
Blooter's Beliefs

This weekend was an eventful one for sure. Not quite as exciting as conference tournament/NCAA time, but with some good matchups across NE I think we saw some good soccer. I've decided to focus on a selection of different teams rather than recap the whole weekend, but either way hopefully it'll provide some food for thought.

First, let's start with Amherst. I think this is the week that they move into the #1 spot. A weekend roadtrip to Maine is never easy despite the caliber of opposition, but they got it done both days with an aggregate margin of 5-0 - NPL bagged four of them. He is absolutely on fire. Despite my longtime aversion to their style, what I like about Amherst this year is that they're not just scoring on corner kicks, throw-ins, or scrums in the box - they are creating goals from open play and keeping the ball on the ground. Martin and NPL on the outside are in phenomenal form, and Singer as I've said a million times is vastly underrated. Bull has started to look significantly more confident as time has gone on, and he hasn't given up a goal since WPI I believe. The fact that Amherst is 13-0 is a double-edged sword - on the one hand, it gives us as observers more confidence that they're just going to keep rolling and winning every game that they play. On the other hand, it can create an untold pressure - I once heard a high school soccer coach whose team hadn't lost 60+ games (equivalent to three high school seasons) say that an undefeated streak is like a balloon whose pressure increases until it bursts. And while I think Amherst has enough know-how to continue to win those close games, we have seen them fall at the critical stages before - 2012 and 2013 need no introduction, while 2014 was perhaps justified as they weren't nearly as dominant as they had been in years' past. However, with NPL in the form that he's in and Martin and Singer alongside him - as well as an excellent foundation behind them in midfield, defense, and net - this could be the year. Stay tuned.

It's pretty incredible how, in the space of 10 days, a team can go from never being behind all season to being down in all four of its games and losing two of those contests. Such is the tale of UMass-Boston. The Beacons were being hailed as a potential power within the NE region, but have since been brought back down to Earth. After going 10-0 to start the seaosn, they suffered a hard-luck loss to Babson, followed that up with another loss to ECSU, got a 4-3 OT victory at WNE, and barely escaped WCSU 5-4. For perspective, the Beacons gave up four goals in their first 10 games, but have give up 10 in their last four. What's the issue? I can't say definitively, but I - and I apologize for beating a dead horse - think it's a lack of composure. They've got some talent and I like the way they attack with flair and skill, but their discipline is not nearly on the same level as that of their offensive potency. You've got to have both if you have any ambition of being successful, and it only becomes more and more important as the season goes on.

Next up, Brandeis. NCAC jokingly said that - were the Judges to win yesterday - the odds of them winning the UAA would be at 97 percent. I can't say I would have agreed even if it had been the case, as - while I have my own biases - I'm a very pragmatic sports fan, and with that comes the practice of knowing and over-considering my own team's vulnerabilities and perhaps under-considering it's strengths. As it was, the Judges lost at home to WashU 2-0 - their first home loss in more than two years - and it was more the case that they played poor than WashU played well. Two days before, on Friday, they got a big slice of revenge for one of last year's two regular-season losses by beating UChicago 1-0. Even sweeter for the Judges was that they were outplayed but still got the victory, as it was the reverse of last year's meeting where Chicago was on the back foot but nicked a goal. No doubt that Chicago was a fixture marked on the calendar this year, and the Judges came out with the victory. However, Brandeis is not playing well as of late - they've been outplayed in midfield, are having trouble scoring, and their defense has not looked nearly as watertight as before. They've got two tough road games against Emory, which is a tough place to go, and Rochester, who nobody would have predicted to be 0-1-3 in league play but will be tough as always, before closing at home against NYU. That said, all is not bad, as they're 12-2-1 and still joint-top of the UAA w/Case. I think they'll be OK in terms of a bid to NCAAs, but those problems could well plague them when the Tournament comes around if they're not addressed soon.

Maybe I'm putting too much weight into the fact that they play a pretty weak schedule, but I'm still not sold on MIT. Aside from an impressive draw against Brandeis in a game they could easily have won, it is my opinion that MIT is not as talented as its 11-1-1 record suggests. It took them almost a full OT period to get past Clark, who is 4-9-1, at home. Not on the road, at home. Granted, every team has those days where they battle past a weak opponent, but it was still a less-than-impressive reference of their firepower. They got a nice 3-2 OT win at Wheaton and beat Babson on the road, but they also lost to Roger Williams who is below .500. If you want to be considered one of the best programs in NE, you have to be winning or at least not losing games against teams below .500. They also took Tufts off the schedule this year, which is a real head-scratcher especially considering MIT's surprisingly good record against the Jumbos (2-0-1 against Tufts in the last 3 years), so maybe I'm reading too much into it. Anyway, Bingham is a very good forward and pretty much all their offense runs through him - the fact that he has 14 goals in mid-October suggests that he could well be in the running for 2nd team or even 1st All-American, especially if "Tech" gets an NCAA bid and he scores in the Tournament. That said, Bingham, Freel, and perhaps Itani aside, the team is decidedly average IMHO, and relies largely on the brilliance of Bingham to bail them out. The last time MIT went to the Tourney, they lost in the first round to Western New England 2-0. They might be better than that this year, but I'd still have trouble seeing them making it past the second round in any case.

The NESCAC playoffs are posing a more interesting spectacle as the season continues on. We don't need to talk more about Amherst, but you've got teams like Middlebury, who - aside from an opportunistic victory at Wesleyan - have flattered to deceive IMHO. Despite their 9-2-1 record, they looked absolutely listless in their defeat to Tufts, and once Tufts went up 1-0 there was no way that they were ever going to lose that game. They'll pose teams problems on set pieces, but from open play I just don't see it, although I'll agree that Conrad is a dangerous player and perhaps I was too harsh on him to start with. That said, they've got the two seed pretty much locked up, so they'll be happy with that. Moving down the list, there's Tufts, who started the season as No. 1, stayed there for a while, came crashing back down to Earth with losses at home to Brandeis and away at Amherst and Hamilton, seemed to have rebounded after beating Midd., but then went on the road to Bates and tied 0-0. Prior to their miracle run last year, we often found ourselves asking "which Tufts team is going to show up today?" The question has resurfaced this year, and will better be answered this weekend when they travel to Williams (a game which Majumder will no doubt be up for) before closing home at Bowdoin. Perhaps the most exciting race is the race for 4th place between Conn., Williams, and Wesleyan. Conn. was off this weekend, but aside from getting blown out by Amherst on the road they've looked very good this year. That said, the result against the Lord Jeffs may well have shaken their confidence. Williams has woken up as the season has gone along, and came alive with a 7-2 win yesterday at Babson - a result I didn't believe when I first saw the score on my phone, but then looked at the scoresheet and there were all legitimate goals and assists listed. Wesleyan has been on the wrong end of some tough one-goal losses, and that tie against Tufts is looking more and more costly - I still blame whoever was scheduling and didn't foresee that game going to 2OT, as it was called b/c of darkness. Then there's teams like Bates and Bowdoin, currently tied for 7th, who began their seasons in opposing fashions - Bowdoin started horribly while Bates started well, but now the Bobcats - despite picking up a fortunate point against Tufts - have suffered home losses to Trinity and Amherst, and still have yet to play Midd. Bowdoin, meanwhile, picked up a whopping victory against Babson, 4-1, and beat Hamilton in what in my opinion was a trap game. Bowdoin has tough road tests against Conn. and Tufts, while Bates only has a road trip to Colby, so expect the fight for spots 7 & 8 to be exciting. Anyway, I think homefield advantage in the quarterfinals is HUGE, and - given the possibility that the NESCAC could be a four-bid league this year - could be very telling for who gets to NCAAs ultimately. We'll have to see.

That's all, folks. Stay tuned for next week (these will probably start coming on Monday, as I find they're the best diversion of me having to accept that another work week is upon us.)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 19, 2015, 01:31:22 pm
Well done Bloots again....This site should be talking to you about doing a regular New England column, since we do not have anyone as of yet...
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 19, 2015, 07:34:48 pm
I want to give a shout out to the ECSU Defense in general and FYear GK Ryan Murphy in particular!!  Great Job Ryan and Gavin Neuendorf, Zane Lombardo, Emmanuel Caicedo, and Cooper D'Ambrosio

ECSU W/L record 12-2-1

NCAA.com stats/national rankings:
Team Goal Against Average- #25 0.58 (9 Goals Against)
Team Shut Outs- #38 8 Shut outs  0.53

Ryan Murphy Stats/national ranking
Goals Against #29 0.595 (9 Goals Against)
Save % #12 1360 minutes 0.890 73 Saves
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 19, 2015, 09:28:27 pm
Well done Bloots again....This site should be talking to you about doing a regular New England column, since we do not have anyone as of yet...

YES.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: TennesseeJed on October 19, 2015, 09:54:27 pm
Well done Bloots again....This site should be talking to you about doing a regular New England column, since we do not have anyone as of yet...

YES.

Yes squared!  Great write-up!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 20, 2015, 09:35:25 am
Projected "real" New England rankings based on games through 10/13 and modelled SOS:

1.  Amherst                   
2.  Brandeis                   
3.  Tufts                         
4.  Mass-Boston
5.  MIT
6.  Middlebury
7.  ECSU
8.  Endicott
9.  Gordon
10.  Conn
11.  Wesleyan
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12.  Wentworth
13.  Springfield
14.  Bowdoin
15.  Babson
16.  Wheaton
17.  WPI
18.  Williams
19.  Bridgewater St.
20.  Bates

Spreadsheet updated with games through 10/18:

                                                 remaining teams of note on schedule         Pool C chances
1.  Amherst               13-0-0         Wesleyan                                                        Lock
2.  Brandeis               12-2-1         Emory                                                             Lock
3.  Mass-Boston         12-2-0          MIT                                                                virtual lock with SOS
4.  MIT                      11-1-1          Mass-Boston, Springfield, Stevens, WPI             must win 3 of noted games to be safe
5.  Middlebury             9-2-1          Williams                                                          safe with win over Williams
6.  ECSU                   12-2-1                                                                                safe with no upset losses, advance to conf final
7.  Tufts                      7-3-2          Williams, Bowdoin                                            probably safe with one more loss
8.  Endicott                11-1-2           Wentworth, Gordon                                         bubble w/SOS concerns
9.  Gordon                 10-3-0           Endicott                                                          bubble w/SOS concerns
10.  Conn                    8-3-1           Bowdoin, Wesleyan                                          must beat Bowdoin OR Wesleyan, reach final
11.  Springfield          11-2-1           MIT                                                                 possible with win over MIT and reach conf final
12.  Williams               6-4-2           Tufts, Middlebury                                              great SOS, in with one more loss, out with two
13.  Wentworth          11-3-0           Endicott                                                           NO
14.  Bowdoin               6-3-2           Conn, Tufts                                                       in with one more loss, out with two or more
15.  Bridgewater St.    11-2-1                                                                                 NO
16.  Wesleyan              7-4-1           Amherst, Conn                                                  probably not, must win out and reach final
17.  WPI                      9-4-2           MIT                                                                  NO


Pool C bids:

New England got 5 Pool C bids in 2014, if that holds for 2015, the probable recipients are:

NESCAC (2 or 3):  There are some key NESCAC games the next two weeks that will knock at least two of the contenders out while improving the ratings of the winners.  It is doubtful that Wesleyan beats Amherst, Bowdoin probably loses at Tufts, and Williams will probably not beat both Tufts and Middlebury.  NESCAC probably gets Amherst, Middlebury and Tufts with Conn with little margin for error.

NEWMAC (0-1):  If MIT beats Springfield (and they should) and wins the AQ, this could be a one bid league this year.

LEC (1):  Mass-Boston and ECSU should get in.  What happens if neither wins the conference tournament?

CCC (0-1):  The non-AQ (Endicott or Gordon) squarely on the bubble
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 20, 2015, 01:29:58 pm
Projected "real" New England rankings based on games through 10/13 and modelled SOS:

1.  Amherst                   
2.  Brandeis                   
3.  Tufts                         
4.  Mass-Boston
5.  MIT
6.  Middlebury
7.  ECSU
8.  Endicott
9.  Gordon
10.  Conn
11.  Wesleyan
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12.  Wentworth
13.  Springfield
14.  Bowdoin
15.  Babson
16.  Wheaton
17.  WPI
18.  Williams
19.  Bridgewater St.
20.  Bates

Spreadsheet updated with games through 10/18:

                                                 remaining teams of note on schedule         Pool C chances
1.  Amherst               13-0-0         Wesleyan                                                        Lock
2.  Brandeis               12-2-1         Emory                                                             Lock
3.  Mass-Boston         12-2-0          MIT                                                                virtual lock with SOS
4.  MIT                      11-1-1          Mass-Boston, Springfield, Stevens, WPI             must win 3 of noted games to be safe
5.  Middlebury             9-2-1          Williams                                                          safe with win over Williams
6.  ECSU                   12-2-1                                                                                safe with no upset losses, advance to conf final
7.  Tufts                      7-3-2          Williams, Bowdoin                                            probably safe with one more loss
8.  Endicott                11-1-2           Wentworth, Gordon                                         bubble w/SOS concerns
9.  Gordon                 10-3-0           Endicott                                                          bubble w/SOS concerns
10.  Conn                    8-3-1           Bowdoin, Wesleyan                                          must beat Bowdoin OR Wesleyan, reach final
11.  Springfield          11-2-1           MIT                                                                 possible with win over MIT and reach conf final
12.  Williams               6-4-2           Tufts, Middlebury                                              great SOS, in with one more loss, out with two
13.  Wentworth          11-3-0           Endicott                                                           NO
14.  Bowdoin               6-3-2           Conn, Tufts                                                       in with one more loss, out with two or more
15.  Bridgewater St.    11-2-1                                                                                 NO
16.  Wesleyan              7-4-1           Amherst, Conn                                                  probably not, must win out and reach final
17.  WPI                      9-4-2           MIT                                                                  NO


Pool C bids:

New England got 5 Pool C bids in 2014, if that holds for 2015, the probable recipients are:

NESCAC (2 or 3):  There are some key NESCAC games the next two weeks that will knock at least two of the contenders out while improving the ratings of the winners.  It is doubtful that Wesleyan beats Amherst, Bowdoin probably loses at Tufts, and Williams will probably not beat both Tufts and Middlebury.  NESCAC probably gets Amherst, Middlebury and Tufts with Conn with little margin for error.

NEWMAC (0-1):  If MIT beats Springfield (and they should) and wins the AQ, this could be a one bid league this year.

LEC (1):  Mass-Boston and ECSU should get in.  What happens if neither wins the conference tournament?

CCC (0-1):  The non-AQ (Endicott or Gordon) squarely on the bubble





I HAVE TO DISAGREE A BIT...

Middlebury....Please give me 2 Good wins on their resume?   Conn College and Wesleyan are it. They better hope both are ranked because their SOS will be close to .550

Gordon will not be ranked ahead of Wesleyan and Conn. Their only good win is against ECONN, their schedule is weak at best.

Williams has some good non-conference wins and their SOS will be high. I believe they would be ahead of Springfield and Wentworth, they will not be ranked but they will be close.

In the past New England has received upto 7 Bids, so 5 is not a definite # especially with the addition of 12 teams being ranked this year compared to 11 in years prior. I am not saying 7 bids
will happen but just acknowledging the point.


Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 20, 2015, 02:59:54 pm
Oct 20 NSCAA rankings for New England:

1.  Amherst
2.  Brandeis
3.  MIT
4.  Endicott
5.  ECSU
6.  Tufts
7.  Gordon
8.  Mass-Boston
9.  Middlebury
10. Wentworth
11. Conn
12. Springfield
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Corazon on October 20, 2015, 03:45:08 pm
Mr. Right, just heard Ainscough's been let go at Northeastern. Wonder if any D3 coaches will get a shot?  Wild guess here, but Shapiro?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 20, 2015, 03:55:02 pm
Mr. Right, just heard Ainscough's been let go at Northeastern. Wonder if any D3 coaches will get a shot?  Wild guess here, but Shapiro?




I knew Ainscough was in trouble over there. I went into detail about a month ago about his struggles in every stop he has been at. We had ONE poster disputing my claims and disparaging my opinions and FACTS....Well I love patting myself on the back but I WAS RIGHT.....I had heard the players revolted back in the Winter to the AD to get him out of there and apparently he was given one more shot. I believe his record this season was 1-8-2 or something dismal like that. Still to be let go or to resign mid-season IS VERY STRANGE. I am guessing SOMETHING had to have happened. He is done in college soccer and will be lucky to hold onto  his Bolts gig.


No way Shapiro goes for Northeastern. The pay is weak and Northeastern does not support soccer like other D1 schools. even without Football, Northeastern does not support Soccer. Shapiro would not touch that gig. One coach that I would guess might be interested is Matt Cushing at Wheaton MA....I doubt the pay would be comparable but he might want a fresh start as he has done as well as he can at Wheaton...Just a guess though
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Corazon on October 20, 2015, 05:24:04 pm
I actually liked him, got to know him a bit as he coached one of my kids years ago. He definitely knows his soccer.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 20, 2015, 05:30:41 pm
Nice guy off the field but a massive Headcase on it...Numerous issues I could count on 2 hands...Finally caught up to him...No wonder you and your son have no issues with Serpone....LOL j/k
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 21, 2015, 01:52:28 pm
REAL 10/21 rankings for New England are out:

1.  Amherst              13-0-0 
2.  Brandeis              12-2-1   
3.  Tufts                     7-3-2   
4.  Eastern Conn. St. 12-2-1   
5.  Mass Boston         12-2-0 
6.  Middlebury             9-2-1
7.  Conn College          8-3-1   
8.  Gordon                 10-3-0 
9.  Wesleyan (CT)        7-4-1   
10. MIT                     11-1-1   
11. Wentworth           11-3-0   
12. Bridgewater St.    11-2-1   
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 21, 2015, 01:52:36 pm
 New England  In-Division Record  Overall Record
1. Amherst  13-0-0  13-0-0
2. Brandeis  12-2-1  12-2-1
3. Tufts  7-3-2  7-3-2
4. Eastern Conn. St.  12-2-1  12-2-1
5. UMass Boston  12-2-0  12-2-0
6. Middlebury  9-2-1  9-2-1
7. Connecticut College  8-3-1  8-3-1
8. Gordon  10-3-0  10-3-0
9. Wesleyan (CT)  7-4-1  7-4-1
10. MIT  11-1-1  11-1-1
11. Wentworth  11-3-0  11-3-0
12. Bridgewater St.  11-2-1  11-2-1
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 21, 2015, 01:53:16 pm
Looks like MIT's SOS and OWP killing them
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 21, 2015, 01:55:21 pm
However, Midd' SOS does not hurt them and Wesleyan and Conn College seem to be in good shape if they WIN out.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 21, 2015, 01:56:52 pm
WHERE IS ENDICOTT???????


AND YET GORDON OF OCURSE IS RANKED #8....


That is a complete DISGRACE....

Luckily Endicott plays Gordon still this year...
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 4231CenterBack on October 21, 2015, 02:23:48 pm
Endicott absolutely deserves to be in.  Shocking..... Gordon is right where they should be.  They are 2-1 against other regionally ranked opponents - EConn st was a pretty easy win. Tough match win against a good Wentworth side and a close 1-0 loss to the defending champs.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 21, 2015, 02:35:40 pm
Endicott absolutely deserves to be in.  Shocking..... Gordon is right where they should be.  They are 2-1 against other regionally ranked opponents - EConn st was a pretty easy win. Tough match win against a good Wentworth side and a close 1-0 loss to the defending champs.

The 2-1 vs regionally ranked teams doesn't count until next week so that would not factor in for this ranking.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 21, 2015, 02:42:14 pm
Gordon and Wentworth have no reason to even be in the top 12....ECONN is ranked way to high most likely because of their wins over UMASS Boston and Wesleyan. Gordon will not move up the rankings even if they keep winning. One more loss to Endicott and they will be off the map...The MIT ranking is very surprising most likely due to their horrible SOS but they did draw Brandeis
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 4231CenterBack on October 21, 2015, 02:42:37 pm
Endicott absolutely deserves to be in.  Shocking..... Gordon is right where they should be.  They are 2-1 against other regionally ranked opponents - EConn st was a pretty easy win. Tough match win against a good Wentworth side and a close 1-0 loss to the defending champs.

The 2-1 vs regionally ranked teams doesn't count until next week so that would not factor in for this ranking.

I understand. I'm just stating it as evidence that they deserve inclusion in the rankings.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 21, 2015, 02:56:45 pm
Endicott has a sub .500 SOS at .487.  I'm not convinced anything else matters so long as a team's SOS is under .500 which seems to be a deal breaker.

EDIT:  I notice that MIT got in with a sub .500 SOS at .497.  So, there is no .500 SOS threshhold, but it is extremely hard to overcome.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on October 21, 2015, 03:47:25 pm
However, Midd' SOS does not hurt them and Wesleyan and Conn College seem to be in good shape if they WIN out.

Midd SOS not bad . . . . 586.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ihidebehindtheinternet on October 21, 2015, 03:54:23 pm
However, Midd' SOS does not hurt them and Wesleyan and Conn College seem to be in good shape if they WIN out.

Midd SOS not bad . . . . 586.

I wish calculating this was easier cause I would have pounded the under if that was the vegas line given that they faced a team that is 1-14. it was a road game so that helps with the multiplier. just goes to show you that you can easily manipulate you SOS to make it appear you play better teams than you actually do.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on October 21, 2015, 03:59:31 pm
However, Midd' SOS does not hurt them and Wesleyan and Conn College seem to be in good shape if they WIN out.

Midd SOS not bad . . . . 586.

I wish calculating this was easier cause I would have pounded the under if that was the vegas line given that they faced a team that is 1-14. it was a road game so that helps with the multiplier. just goes to show you that you can easily manipulate you SOS to make it appear you play better teams than you actually do.

Playing a 1-14 team doesn't help with or without a multiplier. Still hurts a team's SOS either way. It's when you play a good team on the road that you get "extra" points.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 21, 2015, 06:13:05 pm
REAL 10/21 rankings for New England are out:

1.  Amherst              13-0-0 
2.  Brandeis              12-2-1   
3.  Tufts                     7-3-2   
4.  Eastern Conn. St. 12-2-1   
5.  Mass Boston         12-2-0 
6.  Middlebury             9-2-1
7.  Conn College          8-3-1   
8.  Gordon                 10-3-0 
9.  Wesleyan (CT)        7-4-1   
10. MIT                     11-1-1   
11. Wentworth           11-3-0   
12. Bridgewater St.    11-2-1

Wesleyan and Wentworth most likely eliminated from Pool C consideration with today's losses.  As they drop out of the top 12, Endicott and Williams should move in.  Endicott's SOS should have been brought up over 0.500 with today's game.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 21, 2015, 06:18:36 pm
Endicott has a sub .500 SOS at .487.  I'm not convinced anything else matters so long as a team's SOS is under .500 which seems to be a deal breaker.

EDIT:  I notice that MIT got in with a sub .500 SOS at .497.  So, there is no .500 SOS threshhold, but it is extremely hard to overcome.

Still don't understand why MIT took Tufts off the schedule. Automatic boost to their SOS and they have a surprisingly good record against the Jumbos - away win in '12, home win in '13, away draw last year. Obviously they made it in to the RRs this week but still they're living on the edge with such a weak SOS.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 21, 2015, 07:35:12 pm
MIT - UMass-Boston still 0-0. Good game between two teams that have taken a lot of flak from many - including myself - on these boards for their various perceived shortcomings. Interestingly enough, it's MIT who has looked to attack consistently, while UMB has been compact at the back, playing 10 behind the ball. Ironically, they're pretty much playing each other's game.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 22, 2015, 05:16:18 pm
It will be very interesting to see next week's rankings because with that defeat UMAASS Boston even with all those road games will HAVE to DROP...There Record v Ranked is 1-2-0 but now Wentworth is going to drop out so it will be 0-2-0....They will drop to #10 at best IMO....Also, lets watch MIT who I think with that SOS is in serious trouble even though they are deserving of a NCAA bid. With the win v UMASS Boston and games against Springfield and Stevens left their SOS will rise considerably and OWP also...That MIT v Stevens game is very interesting..The winner could knock the other one out of the NCAA's.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 24, 2015, 12:36:29 pm
Babson up 2-0 at WPI....Looks like they want to avoid that #4 v #5 seed Newmac playoff match-up...Do not look now but since WPI played that magnificent game and loss in 2OT to Amherst they have fallen off the cliff. Wondering if they had maybe some injuries that we do not know about? We have few if any Newmac posters so I have no idea bout injuries.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 24, 2015, 09:05:02 pm
Xavier Doran header with 1:50 left in 2 OT to defeat RIC this afternoon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaaCUcbUYR8
Eastern really did not play well today, however the D kept RIC off the scoreboard again and Ryan Murphy made some critical saves for his 9th clean sheet!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 24, 2015, 10:06:57 pm
updated spreadsheet New England rankings thru 10/24 (using real SOS)

1   Amherst
2   Brandeis
3   Tufts
4   Middlebury
5   MIT
6   ECSU
7   MassBoston
8   Gordon
9   Conn
10   Bridgewater St.
11   Endicott
12   Williams
13   Wheaton
14   Bowdoin
15   Babson
16   Wesleyan
17   Wentworth
18   Bates
19   Springfield
20   Plymouth St.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 26, 2015, 11:21:45 am
Blooter's Beliefs

This week was a big week for the NESCAC, not just in terms of matchups but also jostling for playoff spots - hence the disproportionate amount of coverage.

Amherst continued to roll, this time home to Wesleyan, pounding the Cardinals 5-0. If any team had a chance of getting points off the Jeffs, you had to feel that - besides Williams (for historical reasons) or Tufts (for being the 2nd- best team in the NESCAC IMHO) - it would be Wesleyan. Well, that theory was blown out of the water just a few minutes in, and Amherst . Like I said last week, I really like that the Jeffs are starting to play the ball on the ground, using the speed of Martin and the skill of NPL. Of course, they're still threatening from set pieces and crosses, but the fact that they've learned to keep the ball on the ground instead of primarily playing long balls suggests that they've added a new element to their game. They're the consensus number one team for a reason, and I'm becoming more and more convinced every week that they have what it takes to go all the way - just three weeks ago, I said that I thought there was little chance that they could win a national title, but as they continue to roll and the rest of the nation's teams continue to pick up blemishes, you have to think that they might just be better than the rest. I can't make comparisons to the 2012 Amherst team that infamously didn't make it to the Final Four, but this one is certainly up there, that's for sure.*

Every year, there are always a couple of cases where teams are perhaps one result away from achieving self-belief and taking that next step, only to fall in a crucial time and start their downward spirals. In my book, those teams are WPI and UMass-Boston. WPI was less than four minutes from something that no one has been able to do thus far this year - take points off of Amherst. As it were, Singer scored in 2OT and Amherst picked up yet another road victory, while WPI hasn't been the same since, going 2-3-1, the most recent of which was a home loss to Babson. Before losing to Babson, UMass-Boston was on a hot streak, winning 10 straight. Since that loss, they're 3-3, and were thumped by an enigmatic MIT side last week 3-0. It's worth mentioning that WPI lost at Brandeis in 2OT prior to the Amherst game, so it wasn't like they were unbeaten, but had they been able to hold the consensus No. 1 team to a draw - something that no team has been able to do this year - it would have likely galvanized them with further self-belief. Still, records of 13-3 and 10-5-2 are by no means the end of the world, and both teams are fully capable of winning their respective conference tournaments, but you have to wonder how much better they could have then had they managed to come out unbeaten from both of those big tests.

Next, MIT. The Engineers passed two big tests this week, winning away to Springfield 3-2 and home against UMB 3-0. Their defense is admittedly stingy, only allowing 7 goals the entire season. Still, the worrying trend for "Tech" is that, when they give up goals, they tend to give up two or three at a time. While Saturday's concession of two goals included the first goal of the game and a tally when the score was already 3-1, it does suggest that MIT is prone to a lack of concentration. And though they are the clear favorites in the NEWMAC, history tells us to be wary. Last year, Wheaton - who was a seemingly unassailable 16-2-2 entering last year's NEWMAC tournament - was the clear favorite, only to fall at home to Babson in the semis. Additionally, MIT's home field is not necessarily a sanctuary for the Engineers, as they fell to Wheaton in the 2013 conference final, while its 2012 conference win came on the road. Their test at home against WPI will be huge, and if WPI were to steal a victory it would turn the whole season on its head - right before the NEWMAC tourney. Will this be the year that the Engineers turn the tables and make a run? Personally, I don't see them going beyond the second round of the NCAA tourney, but that's why they play the games and if the Engineers were to go on a run I'd be the first to admit that I was wrong.

Tufts winning 3-0 at Williams has to go down as one of the legendary scorelines of the season. I predicted a draw, but once Tufts went 1-0 up you had a feeling that there would be more goals. Majumder showed up for this one, getting himself a brace, and Kayne capped the scoring with an excellent finish. Since its 0-1-3 stretch in the middle of the season, Tufts has rebounded nicely with big wins over Middlebury and now Williams - the only blemish was a 0-0 tie at Bates, which just leaves a sliver of doubt about which Tufts team is going to show up each game. Williams is now 2-4-1 at home, significantly better on the road, and you have to feel that the pressure of playing at home has gotten to them. I also don't think that Rashid is the same player that he was before the injury - he seems to have lost a step of pace, but then again he also doesn't have the talent of Ebobisse and co that he had in 2012. When you're coming in as the new guy and other good players can often make space for you, there's a lot of opportunity, but when you become a marked man it gets a whole lot tougher. I think the Jumbos are in for another good postseason, and I certainly don't think they'll get knocked out in the first round of the NESCAC like they did last year. That said, I don't think they'll be bringing home title #2, because as much as their miracle run was down to form, it was also down to the fact that they had some very special players. This year, while the Jumbos are an incredibly functional and effective side, they're missing their virtuoso in Santos, their defensive leadership and composure in Williams, their physical presence and set piece weapon in Lee-Kramer, and their target man in Hoppenot. And while the latter's presence up top has been replaced - and exceeded in the goals department - by Majumder, I don't think there's the same element of magic and steeliness that there was last year.

Saturday brought me to give Middlebury credit, something I haven't done much of this season. I've continually said that the Panthers are a hot-and-cold, set-piece reliant side that has a penchant of getting lucky when they're being outplayed. And while they went down 1-0 to Bates on Saturday, they responded in great fashion, scoring four unanswered second-half goals to win 4-1 on the road. Their victory at Wesleyan was certainly fortunate, and I think they were fortunate to get out of last weekend's Trinity game with a win, but the fact that the Panthers not only beat but smoked the Bobcats after going 1-0 down suggests that they have a steeliness to them and are perhaps a better side than I thought. Conrad has come through in the big moments, and suggests that he is rated for a reason - again proving me wrong from a couple of weeks ago. Maybe I'm giving them too much credit, but I was impressed by the way they responded to adversity in emphatic fashion. Well done, Middlebury, you've got my attention.

Towards the end of September, we were talking about Bates as a possible Pool C candidate. Now, they're in grave danger of missing out on the NESCAC playoffs. Sure, the Bobcats will likely finish with a winning season for the first time since 2008, but they have remained much like their predecessors in a number of ways - mainly, their lack of consistency. I think the hype started when they won at Hamilton, which - despite the Continentals' form - is never an easy place to go. Then they tied Bowdoin, last year's NESCAC champion, and picked up a win at Williams for the first time in who knows how long. But for all the big wins, Bates has also been less competitive than you'd expect - losing by five goals at Wesleyan, falling at home to Trinity the week after beating Williams, and going 1-3-1 in their last five. And while they had the luxury (questionable word choice) of playing the three toughest teams - Tufts, Amherst, and Midd - at home, I said that the most I thought Bates would get out of any of those games was a point (I was right - a solitary point from Tufts.) The Bobcats have some solid players in Knoth, Merchant, and Murphy, but none of those three are 1st Team All-NESCAC material IMHO, although Knoth was a 2nd Team selection last year. Ultimately, Bates has shown promise in flashes, but they need to be much more consistent if they are to worry the powers of the NESCAC.

Bowdoin and Conn. Next to Tufts' big win, this was the shock of the weekend for me. Conn hadn't lost a home game all year - all of its blemishes had come on the road - while Bowdoin has been inconsistent offensively. And while I feel like Conn is the better team, Bowdoin came and pulled a smash-and-grab raid. We were talking last week about how Conn is the feel-good story of this year, and they certainly have some great players - Devlin needs no introduction, and I really like the workrate of Bitchell. That said, in order to be a top team in the NESCAC, you've got to win (the vast majority of) your games at home, particularly against sides #4-11: a close home loss to an Amherst, Tufts, or Midd is understandable, but you've got to take care of business against the lesser teams at home. Bowdoin probably would have been happy with a point on the road, but they were opportunistic and took their chances. The Polar Bears are 7-3-3 and are coming into good form, and while I doubt they'll repeat their Cinderella run of last year I think that they could surprise some teams. Barring a run to the NESCAC final, Conn is pretty much done in terms of Pool C chances, and even then they're probably on the wrong side of the bubble. I think the NESCAC has become a three-bid league, as the potential fourth teams - Conn and Wesleyan - have too many blemishes at this point. But hey, who knows?

CCC watch: Endicott is still the clear favorite in my book, even though it picked up a tie this weekend at Salve Regina in a game that will feel like two points dropped. However, Gordon could well change our minds when the two teams play tomorrow night in what should be a great game. Endicott was not in this week's RRs due to its .487 SOS, whereas Gordon (.528) and Wentworth (.512) were, but if the Gulls win the CCC as they are very well set up to then that could all be proved irrelevant. Remember, Endicott picked up ties against Williams and Calvin, and its only loss this season was to Tufts, so even if they're not a threat to an Amherst or a Tufts they could well pose a challenge to other more highly-touted sides in the postseason. Provided they make NCAAs, I think they're a solid Round of 32 team, which if I'm not mistaken is the furthest a CCC team has ever made it, but if there is a team to buck that trend and get to the Sweet 16 then this year's Endicott has as good of a chance as any IMHO.

* Side note: I'm tired of hearing about Amherst's physical play - both the Amherst homers defending the Jeffs' style, and opposing fans continually implying that the Jeffs are the root of all evil. (I myself am by no means exempt of guilt, but I dropped it a while ago.) We all know that Amherst is an aggressive, physical team, and pointing out the # of yellow cards that they get or anything else like that isn't going to change it. That said, arguing that "Amherst games are extremely intense, so they're often refereed differently than most other NESCAC games" is laughable, and is an incredibly weak attempted defense of the Jeffs' aggressive style of play. Additionally, calling the cards "laughable" can only take away credibility. But regardless of whether you think their style of play is excessive, if Amherst goes and wins a national title, you absolutely can't say the Jeffs won't have deserved it based on their excellent form. Come on, guys - we're better than this. ;)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 26, 2015, 04:52:58 pm
Has anyone seen Bridgewater St. play?  They sit 13-2-1 (SOS 0.505) with losses only to Brandeis (0-1) and Mass-Boston (0-1).  They also won at Wheaton 2-0, so they must be pretty decent.  Their only remaining test is Wednesday hosting Babson.   Are they legit?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 26, 2015, 04:58:26 pm
Has anyone seen Bridgewater St. play?  They sit 13-2-1 (SOS 0.505) with losses only to Brandeis (0-1) and Mass-Boston (0-1).  They also won at Wheaton 2-0, so they must be pretty decent.  Their only remaining test is Wednesday hosting Babson.   Are they legit?

I saw them when they played Brandeis, but the Wheaton result was what caught my eye. I wouldn't say "legit" in the way you might describe an NSCAA Top 25 team, but I think they're a good, solid team that is capable of pulling an upset on their day. From my observations, they're well-organized side and have their moments offensively. My guess is that - assuming they make it to NCAAs - they get an unfavorable draw due to SOS/etc., but I think they'd be tough to beat and would pose a threat to most tournament teams.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 26, 2015, 05:02:01 pm
They are a decent team that is athletic, organized defensively and physical. I think they will easily win their league the MASCAC but Bloots is correct they will get a bad draw. Most likely one of the 2 mid-week "play-in" games with the winner going to Amherst.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 26, 2015, 05:08:25 pm
updated spreadsheet New England rankings thru 10/24 (using real SOS)

1   Amherst
2   Brandeis
3   Tufts
4   Middlebury
5   MIT
6   ECSU
7   MassBoston
8   Gordon
9   Conn
10   Bridgewater St.
11   Endicott
12   Williams
13   Wheaton
14   Bowdoin
15   Babson
16   Wesleyan
17   Wentworth
18   Bates
19   Springfield
20   Plymouth St.



My Regional Ranking Projections based on years of seeing these things. No actual numbers have been computed.

1. Amherst
2. Brandeis
3. Tufts

Those top 3 are easy but I am telling you the next 9 are very difficult because of varying SOS and Record v Ranked

4. MIT
5. MIDD
6. ECONN
7. UMASS Boston
8. Gordon
9. Conn
10. Williams
11. Bridgewater St
12. Bowdoin
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 26, 2015, 05:11:08 pm
Now I know you all will say NO WAY to Williams but they had the same records last year and were ranked #9 the 2nd week I believe.

For New England I believe the whole region is DOWN this year and they will not go below #5 or #6 depending on AQ's.

The East and South Atlantic could benefit from this or even the West
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 27, 2015, 01:17:03 pm
Oct 27 NSCAA NE rankings:

1.  Amherst
2.  Brandeis
3.  MIT
4.  ECSU
5.  Tufts
6.  Endicott
7.  Gordon
8.  Middlebury
9.  Mass-Boston
10. Bridgewater St.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 27, 2015, 09:10:35 pm
Brandeis squeaks by a 3-12 Lasell 1-0. That's the 10th 1-0 win and 12th one-goal win for the Judges this season - I genuinely think that might be a record for 1-0 or one-goal wins - any stats mavens want to check it out? The Judges played a couple of reserves from the start but many starters were in the majority of the game. Poor offensive showing - the team didn't connect passed well and they needed a 73rd minute goal to get by. The one positive was the Judges were much more threatening - one of the reasons Brandeis has struggled to score is because they just don't shoot enough. Once they started shooting in the second half, it was only a matter of time. Can't see them winning the UAA, although I couldn't see them beating Tufts or Case on the road, so who knows. However, they'll need to be much better if they hope to get a result against Emory or Rochester this weekend.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 27, 2015, 09:28:46 pm
Brandeis squeaks by a 3-12 Lasell 1-0. That's the 10th 1-0 win and 12th 1-0 win for the Judges this season - I genuinely think that might be a record for 1-0 or one-goal wins - any stats mavens want to check it out? The Judges played a couple of reserves from the start but many starters were in the majority of the game. Poor offensive showing - the team didn't connect passed well and they needed a 73rd minute goal to get by. The one positive was the Judges were much more threatening - one of the reasons Brandeis has struggled to score is because they just don't shoot enough. Once they started shooting in the second half, it was only a matter of time. Can't see them winning the UAA, although I couldn't see them beating Tufts or Case on the road, so who knows. However, they'll need to be much better if they hope to get a result against Emory or Rochester this weekend.

Blooter, I thought the exact same thing when they didn't score until 2nd half to beat Mt Ida 1-0 last year, and then they went on to the Elite 8.  Seems like a dangerous way to keep winning but apparently they just know how to win games.

I was impressed with Endicott and Gordon also.  Looked at Endicott's roster and they have several foreign players, including two from Mexico who linked up together for the goal, and a kid from Bahrain whose club team is listed as "Manchester United Soccer School" or something like that.  Also a bunch of players from strong New England club teams.  Endicott's only loss was to Tufts and they drew with Calvin and Williams.  Will not be an easy team to beat in a 1st or 2nd round NCAA game IF they get in.  Currently 13-1-3, would be a shame if they don't make the tournament.  Will not be easy to win their conference tourney, especially if there is a re-match with Gordon.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 27, 2015, 09:42:51 pm
Actually, I think the game you're thinking about was Lasell as well! ;-) Judges thumped Mt. Ida last year, but needed a second-half goal to get by Lasell on the road. However, two years ago, Brandeis did struggle with Mt. Ida and only a late winner from Soboff gave them the victory.  Regardless, your message remains true and I agree -  but I doubt they make a postseason run like last year.  They sure do miss Savonen and Soboff, but then again any team would.

I've been a big fan of Endicott but it would be tough playing Gordon again.  They'll have a target on their backs,  and it will be interesting to see whether they can cope. They are a good side, though, and say whatever you want about Williams this year, but it's still Williams and they are a proud program that goes in to every game capable of winning, so to get a draw against Sullivan's team is a good result.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 27, 2015, 10:37:00 pm
One of the ironies of how SOS works is that Endicott suffers with a SOS that stood at .487 last week while Tufts, Williams, Calvin, Gordon benefit significantly from Endicott's 13-1-3 record, especially since all of those were road games for those teams.  A cruel irony, or just an irony?  Endicott of course gets to count the records of those teams but with the negative differential.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 28, 2015, 11:47:08 am
Blooter's Tactical Tantrum

By no means a proper feature, just wanted to air some thoughts on tactics I've been having. Brandeis' lack of goals has been perplexing, but they sit at 13-2-1 and No. 12 in the NSCAA. That said, their lack of scoring could catch up with them, and needs to be addressed in my book.

Heading home last night, I was scratching my head about why Brandeis can seemingly only manage one-goal wins regardless of the competition.  Despite laboring to a 1-0 win two weeks ago against Mass. Maritime, who was well below .500 at the time, I showed up for the Lasell game thinking that this would finally be the game where Brandeis, playing a 3-11 team, would start pouring on the goals. It wasn't to be, and for the ninth time this season, Brandeis got out with a 1-0 win. I had a bad hunch that they might have trouble scoring when the first game against Bridgewater State - a team that the Judges would have blown away in recent years - finished just 1-0, and while I can't complain about them being 13-2-1 and top 20 in the NSCAA, I am a bit concerned with the sheer lack of goals. A win is a win, but I think the main issue is that while I'd expect a 1-0 against a Chicago or a Case, I'd think a multi-goal win against a Lasell or Mass. Maritime would be in order. And while those teams often play 10 behind the ball when they play Brandeis - and I've got to say that's probably the correct tactic in that case - you'd still expect Brandeis to do better given its stature and players.

So I decided to have a look at the stats. And while I've said many times that Brandeis misses Savonen and Soboff, the conclusion that I came to is symptomatic of a bigger problem - Brandeis doesn't have a true central striker, and the other players are suffering as a result.

An overlooked fact, and one that I totally missed, is that the other players benefited offensively from having Savonen and Soboff. Look at Zach Vieira. Six goals last season and just two this year, although one was the winner away to Tufts and the other was in a huge UAA clash with Carnegie. Josh Ocel had four goals last year but this year he also has two. Ironically, Bradley and Picard - Brandeis' joint-leading scorers - are the only two players who have scored equal to or more this year than they did last year. Additionally, Brandeis can't seem to settle on a true lone striker. After persisting with Bradley for a while, they're now playing Flahive up top. A wide forward by trade, Flahive has just one goal this year, yet ironically Bradley has three. And while some might argue that Bradley should start due to the fact that he has more goals, I would still put Flahive out there - he's overall a better player IMHO. Either way, asking a kid who has played mostly out wide to come in and be the main CF is a daunting task.

My observations in the earlier part of the year were twofold: 1. that the guys being trusted to play at CF kept dropping too wide and too deep, so that when the balls came into the box there was nobody to finish them off 2. Brandeis wasn't shooting enough, and was always trying to find the perfect shot when simply pulling the trigger might've been better. And while the CFs have begun staying in the middle in recent weeks, the new issue is that the interplay in the box isn't good enough, and the Judges are being let down by the final ball and poor shooting. (Ironically, Brandeis' 1.9 goals/game last year came from an average of 15.8 shots/game, while the Judges' 1.2 goals/game this year is from an average of 16.8 shots/game - 50 percent fewer goals with one more shot, on average.)

My solution: play two up top.

Now before you call me crazy, hear me out. There seems to be an obsession in the modern age with playing one true CF up front, and while I do like 4-3-3 a lot I think that 4-4-2 diamond or 4-3-1-2 can be just as effective. (Don't even get me started on 4-2-3-1 - can't stand it, just my personal opinion.) For about half of last year, Brandeis played a 3-5-2. And while they went to 4-3-3 towards the end of the season, that was a move with defensive solidity in mind - you can't play three at the back against Amherst, etc. - and not because the two up top wasn't working. In fact, Brandeis scored 50% more goals with two up top than they did one. My belief is that, when you have one guy up top, he has to be able to physically impose himself on the opposing CBs. And while Savonen was an excellent finisher that was big enough physically to hold his own, Brandeis doesn't have a guy like that this year. By playing two up front, perhaps Vieira and Jastremski, they can work off each other and have enough pace to burn the opposing center backs. Think about it: two guys with blazing speed in the center is better than one. And when you don't have the physicality to hold it on your own up there, that speed and interplay to keep the opponents on their toes is all the more important. Both of these guys were prolific goalscorers who played in the center in high school, and both of them have the speed and finishing to do so, so why wouldn't you partner them for the benefit of the team?

The counterargument: playing two in the middle and no wingers would make them lose width. In the sense of having "wide forwards" it would - but I don't think it would be a drastic reduction of width, as DePietto and Lynch are very good at providing width from the outside back spots (while being able to track back.) The Judges' players are tactically smart enough to know when to go up and when to cover - I've seen Josh Berg cover for Lanahan at CB when Lanahan goes forward on numerous occasions - so playing two up top and getting the wingbacks forward would provide better interplay.

Now obviously I'm not the one making the calls, and I would only consider myself an amateur observer of the game with a decent tactical mind. However, I think two up front is what the Judges need right now, especially considering how difficult it is to score in UAA games. That said, Brandeis has been winning games through defensive solidity and professionalism, so they may be content to keep doing what's worked this weekend against Emory and Rochester, looking to hit the two teams on the break with the lone decisive goal. And if that were the case and they keep on winning, I can't say I blame them.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 28, 2015, 12:23:25 pm
Blooter, re: Brandeis....

"They are who we thought they were!"

Jim Mora?
Dennis Green?
Bill Parcells?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z62L035dQ6Q

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 28, 2015, 12:39:27 pm
Blooter, re: Brandeis....

"They are who we thought they were!"

Jim Mora?
Dennis Green?
Bill Parcells?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z62L035dQ6Q

Too good. "Playoffs?! ...I just hope we can win a game!" Also, how's your blood pressure (re: this afternoon's impending game)?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 28, 2015, 12:44:53 pm
Blooter, re: Brandeis....

"They are who we thought they were!"

Jim Mora?
Dennis Green?
Bill Parcells?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z62L035dQ6Q

Too good. "Playoffs?! ...I just hope we can win a game!" Also, how's your blood pressure (re: this afternoon's impending game)?

The/my mind works in mysterious ways.  That's what popped in my head as I was reading your thing and not really a clue as to why.

And I've got my Xanax at the ready.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 28, 2015, 01:53:20 pm
updated spreadsheet New England rankings thru 10/24 (using real SOS)

1   Amherst
2   Brandeis
3   Tufts
4   Middlebury
5   MIT
6   ECSU
7   MassBoston
8   Gordon
9   Conn
10   Bridgewater St.
11   Endicott
12   Williams
13   Wheaton
14   Bowdoin
15   Babson
16   Wesleyan
17   Wentworth

The real NE rankings for Oct 28 are out:

1   Amherst
2   Brandeis
3   Tufts
4   Middlebury
5   ECSU
6   MIT
7   MassBoston
8   Conn
9   Gordon
10   Bowdoin
11   Wentworth
12   Endicott

The only surprises for me are Bowdoin at 10 and the inclusion of Wentworth at 11 especially with an RvR of 0-2.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan on October 28, 2015, 03:31:38 pm
Wow, Brandeis with by far the highest SOS in the nation, with their only two losses against Wash U (#1 in the central region) and Trinity (#1 in the west region). Scoring difficulties or not, the Judges will be tried and tested come tourney time. I hope to see them face Amherst again in a rematch of last year's round of 16 battle.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 28, 2015, 04:34:37 pm
I like Brandeis I really do but I think Amherst would physically wear them down. Lat year's Brandeis team YES they deserved it, this year's team I am not so sure.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan on October 28, 2015, 05:00:16 pm
I like Brandeis I really do but I think Amherst would physically wear them down. Lat year's Brandeis team YES they deserved it, this year's team I am not so sure.

I agree, especially since the game is likely to be played on grass at Amherst, which favors their style of play. I think on turf it might be a different story. I would like to see Brandeis try to add one or more NESCAC teams to their schedule besides tufts, especially a side like Amherst or Williams.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 28, 2015, 05:06:13 pm
I agree, especially since the game is likely to be played on grass at Amherst, which favors their style of play. I think on turf it might be a different story. I would like to see Brandeis try to add one or more NESCAC teams to their schedule besides tufts, especially a side like Amherst or Williams.

Williams or Amherst would be great, but I can't see that happening, mostly because Williams is 3+ hours and Serpone usually likes his non-conference games to be away games at teams that have winning records that aren't as strong. From speaking with Coven a couple of years ago, and asking him directly "why don't you play NESCACs more often?" Brandeis doesn't usually get to play them because - aside from Tufts - all of them are a decent drive, further than a normal weekday trip, and Brandeis' weekends are taken up mostly by UAA trips.

That said, I'm really glad Brandeis started playing Tufts. However, Brandeis usually plays Tufts on a Saturday, so maybe if they were to move Tufts to a mid-week game they could schedule another NESCAC for the weekend? I'd love to see the Judges play perhaps Wesleyan, two veteran coaches in Coven and Wheeler and two great storied programs. Can you believe they've only ever met once? (A 1-0 win for Wesleyan in 1990.) Would be a fantastic matchup.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 28, 2015, 06:36:07 pm
I agree, especially since the game is likely to be played on grass at Amherst, which favors their style of play. I think on turf it might be a different story. I would like to see Brandeis try to add one or more NESCAC teams to their schedule besides tufts, especially a side like Amherst or Williams.

Williams or Amherst would be great, but I can't see that happening, mostly because Williams is 3+ hours and Serpone usually likes his non-conference games to be away games at teams that have winning records that aren't as strong. From speaking with Coven a couple of years ago, and asking him directly "why don't you play NESCACs more often?" Brandeis doesn't usually get to play them because - aside from Tufts - all of them are a decent drive, further than a normal weekday trip, and Brandeis' weekends are taken up mostly by UAA trips.

That said, I'm really glad Brandeis started playing Tufts. However, Brandeis usually plays Tufts on a Saturday, so maybe if they were to move Tufts to a mid-week game they could schedule another NESCAC for the weekend? I'd love to see the Judges play perhaps Wesleyan, two veteran coaches in Coven and Wheeler and two great storied programs. Can you believe they've only ever met once? (A 1-0 win for Wesleyan in 1990.) Would be a fantastic matchup.



That was a fantastic 1990 Wesleyan side that I believe won the ECAC that year and that is when they faced Brandeis. Terry Jackson was the famous Mens Soccer and Lax Coach which their field is named after and coached Bill B in lax. Jackson's grandson starts on this current Wesleyan side.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 28, 2015, 07:18:52 pm
Well then. MIT comes back from 3-0 down to beat Stevens 4-3 in OT at home. Great resiliency by the Engineers but I'm sorry Stevens absolutely threw away that game. That is horrendous mismanagement by Stevens. I know that MIT scored to make it 3-1 right at the end of the first, which is obviously big in terms of momentum, but even then 3-1 is not nearly as much of a momentum-builder as making it 2-1 in the final minute of the half. (Remember, they still have to get two back, not just one.) Stevens giving up an own goal in the last minute of regulation and then having Bingham score on them again in the last five seconds of the first OT is terrible composure. I don't care who you are, the last 10 seconds of each half, nobody should be scoring on you, but MIT - Bingham in particular - did it twice to Stevens today. Easier said than done, but Stevens absolutely threw that game away.

Stevens is a good side, but MIT has shown it has lapses in concentration. Still think they're the best side in the NEWMAC, but other teams - WPI, etc. - must feel they have a fighting chance with the Engineers leaking goals.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 28, 2015, 07:27:27 pm
Well after my Stevens rant on another topic I saw they were beating MIT 3-1 and just assumed they would win with 20 minutes left...Their SOS goes up but RvR down...MIT might have just bought themselves hosting rights in the RD64/32 NCAA's...Even if MIT loses in NEWMAC they just got themselves a bid tonight with the SOS movement and RvR
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 28, 2015, 07:42:28 pm
Well after my Stevens rant on another topic I saw they were beating MIT 3-1 and just assumed they would win with 20 minutes left...Their SOS goes up but RvR down...MIT might have just bought themselves hosting rights in the RD64/32 NCAA's...Even if MIT loses in NEWMAC they just got themselves a bid tonight with the SOS movement and RvR

Interesting point about round of 64/32...assuming Brandeis makes it (which even if they were to throw their last three games there's still a good chance they'd get in) you'd think they might host as well depending on how they'd end up, and it would be pretty wild if the NCAA decided to have two pods going within 8 miles of each other. Do you think they would do that? Then again, Brandeis would potentially go to MIT, but the Judges did win there last year, so they wouldn't be afraid.

Edit: I very much suppose they would, as Brandeis and Babson have both hosted separate NCAA pods twice in the last three years (and according to Google Maps Distance Calculator, Babson is 4.6 miles from Brandeis to MIT's 8.4. Guess I'll give myself a pat on the back for that estimation of 8 miles. :) )
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Sandy on October 31, 2015, 06:03:44 pm
Well ECSU and UMass-Boston just lost. ECSU wins the LEC. UMB comes in 3rd behind Plymouth St. who they played tonight and ahead of RIC.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 31, 2015, 07:00:35 pm
Well ECSU and UMass-Boston just lost. ECSU wins the LEC. UMB comes in 3rd behind Plymouth St. who they played tonight and ahead of RIC.

You have to wonder if that will cost ECSU a Pool C if they don't get AQ.  I'm guessing another loss does cost UMass-Bos.  Both are at 2-2 for RvR so a win against the other will get one of them to 3-2.

Then there's Endicott.  I assume the consensus is that Endicott if they fail on the AQ could not overtake ECSU or Tufts.  MIT might be a different story.

Of course I posted about MIT before checking their score.  They were in OT but just won over WPI.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 02, 2015, 09:32:42 am
Blooter's Beliefs

Wow! What a weekend. I wasn’t able to make it to any games since I was in D.C. visiting some friends, but kept tabs on the action as always. Three teams conceded tying goals with less than a minute left in regulation, the No. 1 team in the country suffered its first loss of the season, and a third team emerged from a difficult two-game road trip with its first outright conference crown. Tons to recap, but definitely the most exciting the weekend of the season so far.

Brandeis won the UAA for the second time in three years, beating Rochester 2-1 away on a late winner from center back Kyle Robinson, who scored his first collegiate goal in the process. This title was the Judges’ first outright championship – having tied with Carnegie, Emory, and WashU for the conference crown in 2012 – and it also means that the Judges clinched the UAA’s NCAA AQ bid, freeing up a Pool C slot for someone else. Playing Emory and Rochester away, who are two, proud, respectable sides, they went on a road trip that very well could have ended 0-2. Instead, they came up with two wins on the road, and that – combined with hard-fought wins over Carnegie, Case, and Chicago – means that they deserve the conference crown. Additionally, Brandeis would have been seeking revenge against Rochester yesterday, as they’ve had two tough losses to them in the last two years – the Judges led leads of 1-0 and 2-1 slip in the 3-2 home defeat in 2013, while the Yellowjackets scored fluke goals on a shanked cross and direct from a corner kick in last year’s match. This year, the Judges took a 1-0 lead, weathered the storm after Rochester tied it 1-1, and got the late winner they deserved. Brandeis has had well-documented trouble scoring this season, but they’ve won 14 one-goal matches and that’s no accident. I felt that they were robbed of a conference title last year, given Chicago’s non-conference play was nowhere near the same level as Brandeis, but this year makes up for it. This team might not be as talented as last year’s Elite Eight squad, or the 2012 team that also won the title, but Brandeis’ composure, defensive solidity, and overall play has been excellent, and has more than made up for a lack of offense, and it will be nice for them to play NYU at home next weekend having clinched the UAA title with a game to spare. Winning the UAA title in 2012 was nice, but winning the crown outright this year – in a very tough conference and with a game to spare, no less – will do wonders for their confidence, and has the potential to take them to the next level.

Holy cow. NESCAC playoffs. Where to start? Well, perhaps with the Wesleyan upset of Amherst. From what I understood in following the game, Wesleyan more than had their own, and given that they missed a PK probably deserved the victory anyway. The players should come in for major credit, as they worked their socks off and pulled off an upset over the No. 1 team in the nation. I have to say, though, that is an absolute masterclass of a coaching performance by Wheeler. His team was on a five-game losing skid, didn’t even look like it would make its conference tournament, and had to go to the same field and play the same opposition where his team lost by five goals the week before. Somehow, he got the guys to believe in themselves and beat the No. 1 team in the country on the road. That is absolutely unbelievable, and he deserves major kudos for that. Well done, Wheeler. A classy guy and an excellent coach who got his team to come through when it mattered. Granted they’ve “won nothing” yet in the sense of the NESCAC title, which seems to be their only shot at an NCAA bid, but given they had just been hammered by the No. 1 team in the nation yet beat them at their place the next weekend is incredible, and Wheeler deserves major credit for that. For Amherst, who also let a second-half lead slip in a 1-1 draw at Trinity midweek, it will be slightly concerning that their only two blemishes of the year have come in a one-week stretch. However, I still think the Lord Jeffs are the best team in the country, and are my bet to still go on to win NCAAs. Maybe – in reference to Tufts’ NESCAC quarters loss last year – this is their “Conn College at home” moment? Time will tell.

I had a sense that Williams would prove a tough out for Conn, and the game was an excellent spectacle. Conn went 2-0 up, Williams rallied to make it 3-2, and then Conn tied the game with six seconds left. You can’t concede a goal in the last minute of a game and win games, and while this has been a problem for Sullivan’s teams all year they were not alone this weekend. Regardless, Williams regrouped to take Conn to PKs, before DaCunha came up big and the Camels advanced to the NESCAC semis. Conn has rebounded nicely since losing to Bowdoin 2-0, and even though Middlebury, Wesleyan, and Bowdoin would be difficult opponents, the chance is as good as ever for them to go all the way with Tufts and Amherst out of the picture. Devlin is a great player, Bitchell has done well, Koval scored probably the biggest goal of his life this weekend, and DaCunha came up big in the shootout, so Conn will be ready for any team. I always maintain that – no matter Williams’ quality in any particular year – they’re a proud program that knows how to win, and I still maintain that Sullivan is an excellent coach with proven success who will no doubt come good at his alma mater. Don’t forget that last year Williams had a rough season, and Sullivan had nothing to do with that, so the program is perhaps in a time of transition, but they’ll rebound.

Bowdoin vs. Tufts. While predicting Tufts to win, I had a feeling that Bowdoin might well sneak this one at Kraft Field. In the end, Bowdoin made a first-half goal stand up and advanced to its third NESCAC semi-final in three years. Tufts has looked a good side all year, but there is cause for concern with their offensive inconsistency. In fact, I thought the opposite would be the problem this year, as Sullivan and Coleman looked pretty suspect in the middle of defense for a while, but they’ve grown into their roles and have done well in the latter part of the season. Greenwood, despite his well-documented weakness on set plays, has been excellent in net, making big saves for his team when games are in the balance. When Tufts is on, it is an impressive side – last year’s title run was incredible, and the 3-0 beating of Williams at Cole Field was as professional as it was unexpected – but then they go and fail to score against Bates and Bowdoin. Majumder is a better striker than Hoppnenot was IMHO, and certainly scores more goals, but his positional play is sometimes questionable. Should Tufts get another crack at NCAAs, which I think they will, they’ll be fired up, but I don’t think they have the same quality that they had as last year, with Santos and Williams in particular. Stay tuned.

Middlebury keeps on winning. I thought it was harsh that they missed NCAAs last year, especially considering they were bounced from the NESCAC tournament by Bowdoin on PKs, but although they’ve looked underwhelming at times this year they’ve managed to get results. Williams got caught with far too many men forward in midweek, and the Panthers punished them on the counter. There were grumblings about Midd’s schedule, criticisms of their playing style, and overall skepticism about the team in general, but the Panthers have begun to answer those questions. They were anemic against Tufts a few weeks back, but looked the opposite on Saturday: Conrad is coming into good form, Glaser is playing well, and Sydor provides an ever-solid last line of defense, so the Panthers are right where they would have wanted to be at this point in the year. Three days after holding then-perfect Amherst to a 1-1 draw, Trinity was flattened on the road. We’ve always wondered “what Trinity team will show up this year?” and the squad this weekend could not have been more different than the one that played the Lord Jeffs on Wednesday. An unfortunate end to the season for Trinity, who have some incredibly talented players but just can’t seem to get them on the same page.

Going into next week’s NEWMAC tournament, MIT has to be the clear favorite. I have been quite critical of the Engineers this year for their over-reliance on Bingham and weak schedule, but he came up huge for them with his team down 3-0 in the first half to Stevens; scoring one with 5 seconds left in the half to make it 3-1, before winning it with 5 seconds left in the first OT. Regardless of Stevens’ collapse, coming back from a 3-0 deficit to win 4-3 is absolutely commendable. However, there will be plenty of improvements that need to be made for the Engineers – particularly on defense. Carrying a 1-0 lead into the last minute against WPI, MIT did the same that Stevens did against them – conceded a goal with less than a minute left in regulation. Only this time, MIT did so with one second left on the clock. One second. I understand there was a corner, but given the probability that the attacking team scores on a corner (very low %), you have to do better than that. Again, with a 7-0 conference record, MIT is definitely the favorite, but the Engineers have conceded two or more goals on four occasions this year. With all that in mind, the team’s potential opponents – and I think particularly Wheaton and WPI - will definitely be smelling blood given the lapses in concentration MIT has suffered, and will believe that they can have a good crack at them.

Gordon exacted a major slice of revenge for 2013’s OT defeat against Roger Williams with a 2-1 2OT triumph of their own this year. That year, Roger Williams benefited from many fortunate bounces – perhaps none more famous than two goals that took serendipitous deflections off of then-No. 11 Gordon defenders and to the feet of Hawks attackers – and made a surprise run to the NCAA Round of 32 before falling to Brandeis. That year, Roger Williams had All-American Trevor Hoxsie finishing the chances; this year, they don’t have someone on that level. And while Roger Williams catapulted itself into an early lead, it couldn’t hold on, conceding a heartbreaking goal with 25 seconds to play before losing in 2OT. Again, you can’t concede in the last minute – easier said than done, I know, but still. Great win for Gordon and its fervent fans, who were out in droves at the field. The Scots now have to go to #2 WNE, who has won four straight since falling at Endicott. Either way, the road to the CCC title will go through Endicott, but as much as I think the Gulls have been dominant this year I think Gordon or WNE will prove a formidable opponent.

Thanks for reading, all. Next weekend is the conclusion of the NESCAC, NEWMAC, LEC, and CCC tournaments, among many others, so I hope we’re all excited for some fantastic matchups.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 02, 2015, 10:08:27 am
Updated spreadsheet rankings for games through 11/1:

1.   Brandeis               AQ
2.   Amherst               Pool C
3.   Middlebury
4.   MIT
5.   Tufts
6.   ECSU
7.   Conn
8.   Bowdoin
9.   Mass-Boston
10. Wentworth
11. Endicott
12. Gordon
13. Wheaton
14. Williams
15. Babson
16. Bridgewater St.
17. Wesleyan
18. Western NE
19. Bates
20. Plymouth St.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 02, 2015, 12:21:30 pm
hmm after that total debacle where Bridgewater St had to give up 4 wins for NCAA violations I do not think they will be in the picture. I am shocked they are not disqualified from NCAA participation this year. Mistakes happen but that mistake is very well known to coaches and players. Big NO NO. Coach should be disciplined as well
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on November 02, 2015, 01:52:56 pm
Updated spreadsheet rankings for games through 11/1:

1.   Brandeis   AQ
2.   Amherst
3.   Middlebury
4.   MIT
5.   Tufts
6.   ECSU
7.   Conn
8.   Bowdoin
9.   Mass-Boston
10. Wentworth
11. Endicott
12. Gordon
13. Wheaton
14. Williams
15. Babson
16. Bridgewater St.
17. Wesleyan
18. Western NE
19. Bates
20. Plymouth St.

Pretty sure you can bold in Amherst as one of the 18 Pool C's....
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan on November 02, 2015, 10:38:14 pm
A couple weeks back Amherst seemed like a near lock for a first round bye. Given the last two games I think they've lost that opportunity. Do you all think any other NE team has a chance at a bye? In my opinion, the only two teams that have a chance would be MIT or Brandeis, assuming they both win out. What other teams (including outside of NE) do you think are deserving of a bye if they were to win out? (Tossing out a few guesses: Calvin, Haverford, Montclair St., Oneonta, Thomas Moore, Trinity)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 02, 2015, 10:48:18 pm
A couple weeks back Amherst seemed like a near lock for a first round bye. Given the last two games I think they've lost that opportunity. Do you all think any other NE team has a chance at a bye? In my opinion, the only two teams that have a chance would be MIT or Brandeis, assuming they both win out. What other teams (including outside of NE) do you think are deserving of a bye if they were to win out? (Tossing out a few guesses: Calvin, Haverford, Montclair St., Oneonta, Thomas Moore, Trinity)

Unless the first-round bye is based solely on momentum and not losing in your conference tournament, I would still say Amherst is in the best position at 14-1-1. Even if MIT or Brandeis were to win out, Amherst's one loss and one draw would still be equal to or better than both Brandeis and MIT. Add in the fact that Amherst will likely still be ranked higher than both Brandeis and MIT, and I can't see - other than the bye being based on your conference title - why they would lose it. And even if that is a criteria, I think Amherst is an exception, given their rank and the fact that they have one draw and one loss. MIT still has some work to do to climb, and could get into the top 10 if they win the NEWMAC, but with their weak SOS and having played just three ranked teams (2-0-1 record) it is debatable - none of their potential NEWMAC tourney opponents are ranked. Brandeis has perhaps a better chance with its big wins this weekend and six wins versus ranked opponents, but would still be surprised if they usurped Amherst for the first-round bye.

Put it this way: I would be very surprised if MIT with one loss and one draw got the bye over an Amherst side with one loss and one draw.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on November 02, 2015, 11:28:06 pm
I would say it's really up for grabs.  Amherst had it but maybe gave it up.  Same with F&M.  Now there is no clear #1 and #2, so pretty wide open.  Calvin is the easiest answer.   Haverford?  Kenyon?  Montclair?  Brandeis?  We'll know a lot more by the end of next Saturday.  When you consider all the candidates Amherst still has as good as chance as anyone.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NERevs127 on November 03, 2015, 09:51:46 am
You will also have to take into consideration of the fact that Brandeis plays 3 more games than Amherst. Also on paper the blemishes for Brandeis look much better than Amherst's.

Brandeis: two losses against #1 ranked regional teams in Wash U and Trinity TX. Then a tie against MIT.

Amherst: two blemishes against unranked regional opponents. A loss against a team they beat 5-0 prior

One or maybe both of the teams will host until the final 4 but if only 1 then it's a toss up for me. Both have great resumes and strong cases as to why they should host over the other
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan on November 03, 2015, 12:19:54 pm
You will also have to take into consideration of the fact that Brandeis plays 3 more games than Amherst. Also on paper the blemishes for Brandeis look much better than Amherst's.

Brandeis: two losses against #1 ranked regional teams in Wash U and Trinity TX. Then a tie against MIT.

Amherst: two blemishes against unranked regional opponents. A loss against a team they beat 5-0 prior

One or maybe both of the teams will host until the final 4 but if only 1 then it's a toss up for me. Both have great resumes and strong cases as to why they should host over the other

I couldn't agree more. After watching a good amount of the games both teams have played I am inclined to think that Amherst is the better and more dominating side. However comparing the two schedules is quite glaring. I give amherst all the credit in the world for utterly dominating up until their final two games, but when it comes to blemishes (as NERevs alluded to above), playing 3 more games, and quality wins, I think Brandeis has the edge:

Brandeis: 0.644 SOS, RvR 5-2-1 (wins over #3 tufts (away), #4 Chicago (home), #6 Carnegie Mellon (home) , #7 Emory (away), #8 Case Western Reserve (away)) (losses against #1 Wash U, #1 trinity) (Tie against #6 MIT)
Amherst: 0.573 SOS, RvR 4-0 (wins over #3 Tufts (home), #4 Middlebury (home), #8 Connecticut College (home), #10 Bowdowin (home))

Also, taking a look at the teams away schedules also sheds light on Brandeis' much more difficult path to achieving the record that they have, as everyone can agree that going on the road (and in brandeis' case all across the country) and getting wins against quality opponents is a huge testament to the quality of a team:

Amherst away: new england college (12-7-1), western new england (11-7), elms (8-10), williams (7-6-3), (WPI (11-6-2) Mount st. mary (5-10-4), Hamilton (6-9), Colby (3-8-4), bates (7-4-3), Trinity (6-6-4)

4 teams above 500, 4 teams below 500, 2 teams at 500..... not a single win against a ranked/tournament team with the best win coming against a mediocre williams squad

Brandeis away: hardin simmons (8-5-2), Trinity (17-2), Clark (6-10-1), Tufts (9-4-3), Wheaton (11-7), Case Western (12-4-1), Emory (8-6-2), Rochester (6-4-5)

7 teams above 500, 1 team below 500...... wins against ranked tufts, case, and emory. Although it is unsure whether any of those teams (or Wheaton) will make the tournament.

Overall on paper Brandeis seems to have a more impressive resume: much higher SOS, 4 more ranked opponents, more difficult away schedule, much better blemishes, 3 more overall games played

But as i said to begin with I think Amherst appears to be the better team when watching the two sides. If the committee decides byes and seeds objectively I think Brandeis deserves it, if the committee decides byes and seeds subjectively I think Amherst deserves it. Only time will tell. 

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 03, 2015, 01:48:52 pm
Nov 3 NSCAA rankings for New England:

1.   Brandeis
2.   Amherst
3.   MIT
4.   Endicott
5.   Middlebury
6.   ECSU
7.   Tufts
8.   Gordon
9.   Bowdoin
10. Conn
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 03, 2015, 01:54:44 pm
God that is so much worse than what the NSCAA did in the East region.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on November 03, 2015, 02:02:45 pm
NEsoccerfan, you present a very thorough comparison.  One thing to keep in mind.  There's a good chance that Emory and Case Western are no longer ranked this week (we'll know for sure tomorrow afternoon), so Brandeis' RvR will likely lose 2 wins for the all important final unpublished rankings.  Amherst on the other hand shouldn't lose any of their wins.  So the RvR comparison might swing more in Amherst's favor when it counts most.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 03, 2015, 02:04:00 pm
Gordon up 1-0 on WNE at half.

Pretty odd that Gordon is at WNE, especially considering the consensus is that Gordon is the superior team and is 13-4 while WNE is 11-7. However, it appears that Gordon is 7-2 in the CCC while WNE is 8-1. Is WNE's non-conference schedule that much stronger?

Update: Gordon goes 2-0 up early second half, stole the ball in the WNE half and finished well.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 03, 2015, 08:25:20 pm
Endicott - Wentworth is 1-0 in the second half. Diego Slobotsky made a really nice move down the side to beat his man with speed and cut inside, before feeding the ball to Al Khalifa into the middle who finished it. Wentworth is still in this one and is testing the hosts down the flanks. Gulls still a bit stronger overall, and created a really good chance that the Wentworth 'keeper did really well to save.

I'm very impressed with Endicott's speed of play. I've seen them before on occasion, and they aren't necessarily the cleanest side in terms of passing accuracy, off-the-ball movement, etc. but they definitely know how to play quick passes. Gordon is more of a "solid" side that is organized and has the know-how in terms of winning games, but assuming that it makes it to the final Endicott might have the edge - especially being on its turf.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on November 03, 2015, 09:19:12 pm
Bridgewater kid just hit a rocket into far corner for the win in double OT vs Mass Maritime.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 04, 2015, 04:06:50 pm
Updated spreadsheet rankings for games through 11/1:

                                        Actual 11/4 "Real" ranking
1.   Brandeis          AQ              1
2.   Amherst         Pool C           2
3.   Middlebury                          4
4.   MIT                                   3
5.   Tufts                                   5
6.   ECSU                                  9
7.   Conn                                  8
8.   Bowdoin                             7
9.   Mass-Boston                       6
10. Wentworth                        12
11. Endicott                             11
12. Gordon                              10
13. Wheaton
14. Williams
15. Babson
16. Bridgewater St.
17. Wesleyan
18. Western NE
19. Bates
20. Plymouth St.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 04, 2015, 04:07:32 pm
Methinks Brandeis, Amherst, and MIT are your three hosting sites for Rounds 1&2.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on November 04, 2015, 04:07:59 pm
ECSU is defeated by RIC 1-0.  Eastern has just looked very poor over the last 4 or so games and has proven they are not a top tier team over this time span.  Making the match even more frustrating to watch, was another inexperienced person running the camera, ridiculous!!!!!  ::)
Eastern has been playing kick ball for the last 4-5 games and has not even tried to maintain any kind of possession.  DeVito needs get his players to develop a more technical game, (or get players who can), otherwise will never get any farther than a first round loss in the LEC tournament.  Credit goes to RIC who out hustled Eastern on every ball and kept most of the possession!  RIC probably should have won the last time they played Eastern a couple of weeks ago!  This game just confirmed which team was better.  UMass Boston vs RIC should make an excellent LEC final.
Better luck next year for the Warriors.... now on to Basketball!!!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 04, 2015, 04:13:05 pm
UMass Boston vs RIC should make an excellent LEC final.

That will be a spectacle. RIC is quietly 8-2 in its last 10, and UMass-Boston doesn't look the same team that it was a month ago. Finely poised.

Better luck next year for the Warriors.... now on to Basketball!!!!

I like that spirit. ;D
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan on November 04, 2015, 05:23:02 pm
I think i may have found an error in the regional rankings spreadsheet. It lists Brandeis' RVR at 5-2-1, but by my count they are 3-2-1.

 I hope that the error is just in the spreadsheet and not one that resulted in the Judges leaping past Amherst (even though I am a former deis player and alum ;) I want them to have that number 1 spot fairly). Either way, I'm not reporting it to the committee. :)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 04, 2015, 05:34:00 pm
I think i may have found an error in the regional rankings spreadsheet. It lists Brandeis' RVR at 5-2-1, but by my count they are 3-2-1.

 I hope that the error is just in the spreadsheet and not one that resulted in the Judges leaping past Amherst (even though I am a former deis player and alum ;) I want them to have that number 1 spot fairly). Either way, I'm not reporting it to the committee. :)

I think last week they were 5-2-1 RvR, but Emory and Case dropped out. Either way, welcome fellow 'Deis alum! ;)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 04, 2015, 08:28:31 pm
UMass Boston vs RIC should make an excellent LEC final.

That will be a spectacle. RIC is quietly 8-2 in its last 10, and UMass-Boston doesn't look the same team that it was a month ago. Finely poised.

Better luck next year for the Warriors.... now on to Basketball!!!!

I like that spirit. ;D




This game will be as chippy as they come. We all know how UMASS Boston can get but for those who have not seen RIC they will match the intensity. Good luck to the unlucky bastard reffing that one
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Brother Flounder on November 04, 2015, 08:29:07 pm
UMass Boston vs RIC should make an excellent LEC final.

That will be a spectacle. RIC is quietly 8-2 in its last 10, and UMass-Boston doesn't look the same team that it was a month ago. Finely poised.

Better luck next year for the Warriors.... now on to Basketball!!!!

I like that spirit. ;D




This game will be as chippy as they come. We all know how UMASS Boston can get but for those who have not seen RIC they will match the intensity. Good luck to the unlucky bastard reffing that one

 ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 04, 2015, 09:04:18 pm
WPI drops a close one to Springfield, 2-1. After losing to Amherst in 2OT, WPI went 3-5-1. I can only imagine how their season might have turned out had they held out another four minutes...would have been huge for their confidence. Another team that I'm bummed didn't do better, as they've been consistent for a while and I was looking forward to them making a run at the NEWMAC crown. Oh well.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 04, 2015, 09:05:34 pm
Yeah what happened there? Must have been injuries..I thought they looked excellent on their carpet against Amherst that night about a month ago.

Are the Newmac games same time as Nescac this wknd? 11am and 1:30 are usually Nescac but some years Newmac has done 12pm and 2:30pm. I would like to catch a couple halves of the Newmac as I got a hunch someone other than MIT wins it.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 04, 2015, 09:20:08 pm
Yeah what happened there? Must have been injuries..I thought they looked excellent on their carpet against Amherst that night about a month ago.

Are the Newmac games same time as Nescac this wknd? 11am and 1:30 are usually Nescac but some years Newmac has done 12pm and 2:30pm. I would like to catch a couple halves of the Newmac as I got a hunch someone other than MIT wins it.

Don't know. The losses at Wentworth and Springfield did them in, but the final nail in the Coffin was losing at home against Babson. You could say they had about the same hard luck as Williams and Wesleyan did this year - just seemed like nothing went their way, and every mistake ended up being a crucial one.

First NEWMAC game kicks off at 10:30, MIT vs. Springfield. Babson and Wheaton go at 1:30.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on November 04, 2015, 09:23:04 pm
Agree that very strong possibility MIT will not win NEWMAC just as I thought TMC would not win their tourney.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 04, 2015, 09:26:10 pm
Agree that very strong possibility MIT will not win NEWMAC just as I thought TMC would not win their tourney.

Who would you say otherwise? I'd say best bet to knock them off would be Springfield. Can't see Wheaton or Babson doing it on this year's form, although neither would be an easy opponent in the finals.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on November 04, 2015, 09:32:16 pm
Agree that very strong possibility MIT will not win NEWMAC just as I thought TMC would not win their tourney.

Who would you say otherwise? I'd say best bet to knock them off would be Springfield. Can't see Wheaton or Babson doing it on this year's form, although neither would be an easy opponent in the finals.

Well, there will be at least 2 chances (2 games) for one of those very solid but not great teams to get a 1 goal lead and those can be tough to overcome in a playoff environment.  Look at this way.  MIT already by going undefeated in regular conference play has exceeded what anyone would have expected.  Now they are being asked to win 2 more.  That's a lot to ask.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 04, 2015, 09:35:45 pm
Well, there will be at least 2 chances (2 games) for one of those very solid but not great teams to get a 1 goal lead and those can be tough to overcome in a playoff environment.  Look at this way.  MIT already by going undefeated in regular conference play has exceeded what anyone would have expected.  Now they are being asked to win 2 more.  That's a lot to ask.

Very true. My guess is they will host the first two rounds of the tourney regardless given their national ranking and the fact that they're now #3 in NE. Think an MIT - Wheaton final would be a great spectacle. And Wheaton got the W the last time those two squared off in the NEWMAC final, and it was at MIT's place, so Cushing would be fired up if those were the last two.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 04, 2015, 09:43:56 pm
NCAC, you predicted that UR would come back to tie Carnegie 2-2, and then 24 hours later predicted that another match would finish 2-2 after being down 2-0. Then TMC happened this afternoon, and you had a hunch for that, and now this prediction. Is there something you'd like to tell us? ;)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on November 04, 2015, 09:47:52 pm
NCAC, you predicted that UR would come back to tie Carnegie 2-2, and then 24 hours later predicted that another match would finish 2-2 after being down 2-0. Then TMC happened this afternoon, and you had a hunch for that, and now this prediction. Is there something you'd like to tell us? ;)

Now why would I disclose that  ;)?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on November 04, 2015, 11:24:16 pm
I think i may have found an error in the regional rankings spreadsheet. It lists Brandeis' RVR at 5-2-1, but by my count they are 3-2-1.

 I hope that the error is just in the spreadsheet and not one that resulted in the Judges leaping past Amherst (even though I am a former deis player and alum ;) I want them to have that number 1 spot fairly). Either way, I'm not reporting it to the committee. :)

The record versus ranked teams used by the committee to ranked the teams this week is based upon who was ranked last week.  How could they know a team's record versus teams ranked this week before they did this week's rankings?  They can't.  The record versus ranked teams used for the third rankings is based upon who was ranked in the second rankings.  So . . . Brandeis' RvR is correct at 5-2-1 for this week.  But they will lose the wins over Case and Emory for the all-important final unpublished rankings to be done Sunday which serve as the basis for the at-large selections.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 05, 2015, 12:53:17 pm
SOS NE REGION (STUPID PDFs)...

637   Williams
623   Tufts
619   Brandeis
618   Wesleyan (CT)
604   Babson
585   Hamilton
582   Roger Williams
579   Middlebury
579   Wheaton (MA)
578   Coast Guard
575   MA-Boston
574   Plymouth St
573   Amherst
573   Trinity (CT)
567   Bowdoin
566   Connecticut
563   Colby
561   Keene St
561   Lasell
557   Bates
550   Salve Regina
549   WNEC
543   MIT
540   Rhode Island Col
529   Southern Maine
527   Wentworth
526   ECSU
526   Gordon
526   Western Conn St
523   WPI
520   Framingham St
517   Curry
517   U New England
515   Nichols
512   Clark (MA)
509   MA-Dartmouth
504   Endicott
502   Emmanuel (MA)
500   Emerson
499   Colby-Sawyer
499   Salem St
497   Bridgewater St
497   Suffolk
494   MCLA
491   Rivier
489   New Eng College
488   Johnson&Wales
484   Elms
483   Albertus Magnus
483   Castleton
477   Fitchburg St
476   Eastern Nazarene
476   Worcester St
471   Johnson St
471   Mass Maritime
471   Norwich
469   Lyndon St
467   Mitchell
463   Thomas (ME)
462   Springfield
461   Anna Maria
460   ME-Farmington
459   Westfield
457   Husson
455   Green Mountain
455   Lesley
455   Maine Maritime
447   Southern Vermont
442   Wheelock
439   Daniel Webster
432   Newbury
429   Mount Ida
420   Becker
418   Regis
416   St. Josephs (ME)
405   Pine Manor
371   ME-Presque Isle
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 06, 2015, 07:44:02 pm
Just tuned into this Framingham St v Worcester St semi in the MASCAC. 15 minutes left and ref absolutely losing control of this heated battle. Cards flying, couple nasty tackles and almost a fight to boot. Plus no announcer and we get to hear the barbaric fans of each school. Game is heated for sure
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 06, 2015, 07:47:01 pm
Ref just called a phantom PK for Framingham St to go up 1-0 with about 10 minutes left. Called that PK to get outta dodge after 90.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 07, 2015, 12:26:00 pm
Looks like MIT ends Springfield's season 1-0 with a goal with about 2 minutes left..I did not catch any of the game but would be curious how the game went if anyone saw it. MIT gets to the NEWMAC Final and some bubble teams can breathe a sigh of relief for now.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 07, 2015, 12:26:49 pm
Looks like Gordon snags a quick goal and leads Endicott 1-0 10 minutes in.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on November 07, 2015, 12:31:45 pm
MIT is the new Brandeis...clutch winning games late.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on November 07, 2015, 12:40:55 pm
Endicott in deep trouble.  Cole scores again 2-0.  Had to see this coming.

Correction:  think some freshman had both goals.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 07, 2015, 02:04:24 pm
Gordon beats Endicott 2-0 to get the AQ. Endicott a disappointing loss after such a great season. They will now most definitely get the #1 seed in the ECAC's. Their goal can be to win that tournament and keep progressing for next year. Bloots pointed out earlier that the same thing happened to Brandeis about 5 years ago and they went out and won the ECAC's and it was a spark for the Brandeis program and really helped them get to where they are today. Endicott needs to think that way also.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 07, 2015, 03:14:16 pm
Babson nursing a 1-0 lead over Wheaton MA with about 10 minutes remaining.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Ommadawn on November 07, 2015, 03:24:54 pm
Babson holds on and will face MIT in the NEWMAC final.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 4231CenterBack on November 07, 2015, 04:39:57 pm
Even has a Gordon supporter I have to feel a little bit bad for Endicott. They've beaten Gordon twice in 20 years but this was the year they scared me the most. This had to be the year for them. They're losing their three best attacking players and almost all of their goals. They return a solid back four and an excellent goalkeeper but unless they find goals somewhere they will fall back to the pack.

That being said, they should be very proud of their season. Great results against some very good teams. Tufts and Gordon are the only two teams that were able to open up their defense. 13 shutouts for their keeper and defense is impressive.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 07, 2015, 05:40:32 pm
At 16-1-1, MIT is definitely legit. My view of them has evolved significantly, and like NCAC said, they've been winning clutch games the Brandeis way - 1-0 and late (or in OT.) The way they came back against Stevens from 3-0 down to win 4-3 in OT was impressive, although part of that was due to Stevens' capitulation. Bingham will almost certainly be an All-American, and Freel and Itani have really come through. However, regardless of whether they beat Babson tomorrow (I think they will), the one thing that I would be concerned about if I were an MIT supporter is that - despite playing some close games - they aren't really battle-tested against top competition besides Stevens and Brandeis. Granted, they didn't lose to either, but the fact of the matter is that the quality of the teams in the NCAA Tournament is much greater than those in the NEWMAC - and the further you get into the tourney, the better the teams are, both offensively and defensively. That's where playing a tough schedule comes in; you're ready for those battles, both handling the situations mentally and knowing how to out-maneuver top teams in terms of gameplay. No doubt they've had a fantastic season, probably their best in school history, and they deserve their accolades, but I think their minimal preparation against top teams might hurt them.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 07, 2015, 05:46:07 pm
Endicott, I definitely feel for, and I've been a big supporter of them all year, but I kind of saw this coming. Granted, Gordon almost threw a bid away in 2013 when they were 18-1 and lost to Roger Williams, but they've grown since then and are a more experienced squad in those situations. Had a feeling that Gordon would handle the pressure better and once they got the early goal it was a tough road back for the Gulls. Unfortunate that they didn't have a stronger SOS, but c'est la vie. Ties against Calvin and Williams could definitely be cataclysmic in terms of belief for the future. Regardless, congrats Fighting Scots on your CCC title!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 07, 2015, 07:07:34 pm
UMASS Boston and RIC heading to OT..
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 07, 2015, 07:13:22 pm
I learned today that unless Brandeis gets the bye they might not host any NCAA games. The Brandeis women are 14-2-3 and will likely host the first two rounds, and the Brandeis men have hosted the first two rounds the last three years, so it is quite plausible that they will be on the road for the whole thing. That said, as much as I feel the turf of Gordon Field is a home-field advantage, and a bye would be great, I'd almost rather they play on the road - it's less pressure in some ways, and they've proven they can go win big games away from home.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 07, 2015, 07:18:08 pm
UMASS Boston wins it in OT 2-1 over RIC...They get the AQ and are heading to the NCAA's for the 2nd year in a row. Well done.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 07, 2015, 07:19:40 pm
I learned today that unless Brandeis gets the bye they might not host any NCAA games. The Brandeis women are 14-2-3 and will likely host the first two rounds, and the Brandeis men have hosted the first two rounds the last three years, so it is quite plausible that they will be on the road for the whole thing. That said, as much as I feel the turf of Gordon Field is a home-field advantage, and a bye would be great, I'd almost rather they play on the road - it's less pressure in some ways, and they've proven they can go win big games away from home.




That would have to be a major letdown for Coven and Margolis. They play so well at home and to think they would be sent on the road aftre such a great season is disappointing and I promise you the players and coaches will not be happy about it
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 07, 2015, 07:23:27 pm
That would have to be a major letdown for Coven and Margolis. They play so well at home and to think they would be sent on the road aftre such a great season is disappointing and I promise you the players and coaches will not be happy about it

Oh believe me, I know. Would be a slap in the face. But if they were to keep getting results then I don't mind either way.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 08, 2015, 06:19:57 pm
WOW. MIT loses for the first time in 15 games. Tech scored first with 11 left, but it looks like Babson hit them in the mouth, then got them with a sucker punch while they were still bleeding with two goals in less than two minutes.

To be honest, I don't really know what to think of MIT. I said they were overrated for a while, but my impression of them got better as the season went on, and yesterday I even went as far as saying they're legit. However, what I also said is that I didn't think they were battle-tested enough in pressure situations for a team of their record, and so it proved - losing at home in a playoff final against a so-so team, after having not lost in a while, is sure to raise alarm bells. They were impressive against Brandeis and unlucky not to win, but they have been fortunate with several of their wins, were outplayed by Springfield, and they did today as they've done several times this season – conceded multiple goals in quick fashion. They'll get another crack in NCAAs, no doubt, but the teams are going to be better than Babson and Springfield, and that will prove an even bigger challenge for Tech.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on November 08, 2015, 09:08:41 pm
Hey, how about Bridgewater State?  Still don't really understand what happened there with giving up a bunch of wins but went on road for 3 games and won the MASCAC.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 09, 2015, 09:09:01 am
What happened is they used an ineligible player. They should not be eligible for NCAA's. Major infraction.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Interested Third Party on November 09, 2015, 12:36:27 pm
Bridgewater State men's soccer team vacates four victories
http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20151101/SPORTS/151109550

The Massachusetts State Collegiate Athletic Conference punished the Bears, who went 7-0 against conference foes, because a freshman player took part in two games with another amateur team during the BSU season, violating an NCAA rule.

•   By Jim Fenton
The Enterprise

Posted Nov. 1, 2015 at 8:56 PM
Updated Nov 1, 2015 at 9:01 PM


BRIDGEWATER – The Bridgewater State University men’s soccer team put together one of the program’s best regular seasons ever this fall.
The Bears went 14-3-1 and defeated all seven of their Massachusetts State Collegiate Athletic Conference opponents.
When the conference tournament begins on Tuesday night, though, BSU will be on the road as the No. 5 seed instead of the top seed in the six-team field.
Four of the Bears’ MASCAC victories have been vacated by the conference because a BSU player violated an NCAA rule (14.7.1) by taking part in two games in another amateur league during the college season.
The Bears reported the infraction to the NCAA in mid-October after learning that the freshman had played games on Sept. 13 and Oct. 11 for a team other than BSU.
The NCAA gave the player a two-game suspension, but the MASCAC added its own penalty and vacated the Bears’ wins over the Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts, the Massachusetts Maritime Academy, Framingham State and Salem State.
The 12 points from those wins were taken away from BSU in the conference standings, but its overall and MASCAC records remain the same.
By winning its final three conference games after the ruling, the Bears earned the fifth seed in the tournament and will play a quarterfinal-round game at Mass. Maritime on Tuesday at 7 p.m.
BSU coach Brendan Adams felt the punishment handed down by the MASCAC was too severe. The school appealed the executive board’s decision to the conference’s athletics directors, but lost in a 5-2 vote.
“We felt like it was the right thing to do to turn ourselves in to the NCAA,’’ said Adams, “not thinking it would be too big of a penalty to the school because this kid wasn’t paid or got any benefits. He was just playing in the league.
“We thought it was going to be a two-game suspension from the NCAA because that’s what they said they were good with and he’d regain his eligibility by being reinstated. Unfortunately, the MASCAC decided they wanted to add on to the penalty.’’
The player who violated the rule returned for the regular-season finale on Saturday after sitting out four conference games.
The league that he played the two Sunday games in during the college season is one he has been associated with while in high school and last summer as well.
“It’s an honest mistake,’’ said Adams. “The day before he played on those Sundays, he didn’t really get to play that much (for BSU). He wanted a little more playing (time). You learn from it and move on.
“It’s a tough penalty, but we’ll have to deal with it. I didn’t think it was going to be that serious. I thought maybe he’d sit out a few games. I thought individually, we’d get in trouble, not the team getting into trouble. That’s a lesson for me.’’
BSU lost in the conference championship game last season and had a strong nucleus returning this fall. The Bears bounced back from that defeat and put together an impressive regular season.
“It’s just kind of tough for seniors,’’ said Adams. “The guys worked very hard after they lost in the finals last year. They came back very motivated.
“A lot of them had a goal to go 7-0 in the conference and win the tournament title. Unfortunately, we just have to win the tournament title the hard way, I guess. We have to play one extra game and we don’t get to play at home. We’ve done very well on the road so far (8-1), and hopefully that continues.’’

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 09, 2015, 07:51:44 pm
Blooter's Beliefs

This is super long, but that's only because this weekend and today's draw had plenty of talking points. I've already made my feelings known on Tufts being picked over Middlebury elsewhere, so I'll keep that to a minimum - more importantly, there's much more exciting news to talk about otherwise!

Let's start with the NEWMAC final. Just as it did last year, Babson won the crown seemingly out of nowhere, beating MIT in the final 2-1. In a wild game, MIT scored first to break a second-half deadlock, but Babson punched them in the mouth with an 83rd minute goal, and then hit them while they were still bleeding 93 seconds later to make it 2-1. The Beavers have been hot and cold this season, beating UMass-Boston and tying RPI while falling to Williams 7-2 and giving up a goal to Springfield with 10 seconds left in regulation in a 1-1 draw, but they played well when it mattered most and got a deserved victory. Jon Anderson is a great coach and a class act, and his interview after the game respected MIT but showed that they were up for the occasion. They have a daunting First Round matchup at No. 14 Franklin & Marshall, and despite losing to Dickinson in the Centennial Conference semifinals I think F&M will be a big challenge for Babson. However, if the Beavers were to win, they'd be pitted against either Carnegie Mellon or Gordon. And while Carnegie Mellon does ship goals (GAA 1.12), that is just slightly worse than Babson (GAA 1.05), and CMU boasts a far superior attack to Babson IMHO. Gordon, meanwhile, would be a great matchup I think, and despite having more "NCAA know-how" than Babson I think that the Fighting Scots could give Babson a real game - the team's only common opponent was ECSU, who Gordon beat 3-1 at home and Babson lost 3-0 to away. Either way, the Beavers will be happy after their - perhaps unexpected - run to the tourney. MIT, meanwhile, hadn't lost a game in 15 games, and had used a combination of impressive attacking and defensive solidity to win a bunch of close games, the most impressive of which was a 4-3 OT win over Stevens, where the hosts came back from 3-0 down in the first half. However, as much as I had come around to praising MIT, and predicted that they would end up hosting a pod for the first two rounds, I also said that I didn't think they were battle-tested enough for a 16-2-1 (then 15-1-1) team, and that it could come back to haunt them in pressure situations. Furthermore, while they have a great attacking talent in Sean Bingham, who has 19 goals this season, as well as Freel and Itani, as well as some decent backs and a good GK in Amereno, I don't find MIT a particularly skilled or deep team. I think MIT should be able to get past Bridgewater State, but assuming it wins against Plattsburgh State, Bowdoin will prove a test for them in the second round - they gave Brandeis a tough game in last year's Second Round before Brandeis prevailed 1-0. Much like its team last year, Bowdoin is big, athletic, and difficult to break down, and can get forward as well. MIT will likely have the ball a lot in that game, but the Engineers have shown a nasty habit of conceding multiple goals in quick fashion - perhaps none more famously than giving up two goals in 93 seconds against Babson - and Bowdoin would no doubt look to exploit that.

The NESCAC final featured another exciting conclusion. Having stayed 0-0 through regulation, Bowdoin and Wesleyan headed to OT, where it took just 2:36 for the Polar Bears' Andrew Jones to score. Great finish into the far corner from a Stevie Van Siclen set piece, and Bowdoin won it 1-0. I was a big fan of the way Wesleyan, the eighth seed, rebounded from a five-game losing streak by beating Amherst - then No. 1 in the country - on the road, as well as getting by highly-touted Middlebury in PKs (albeit in controversial circumstances.) But it seemed that the clock struck midnight for the Cardinals, and in the most brutal fashion. Still, for a team that was one Bates goal away from not making the NESCAC tournament, the way they rebounded - and, as I've said multiple times, credit must go to Wheeler - from a losing streak, and particularly the 5-0 Amherst defeat, to go on the road and beat the #1 team in the country was impressive. Bowdoin, meanwhile, is my favorite NESCAC school, and I was happy to see the Polar Bears get another NESCAC title, even if it was about as improbable as last year's triumph. Wiercinski has his teams set up hard to beat, but they can certainly score goals as well. Jones, Miller, and Keefe are all dangerous going forward, and form a dynamic attack in front of Van Siclen, who I think is one of the best goalkeepers in the NESCAC. Lightning struck twice against Conn. College on Saturday, as the Polar Bears had their way 2-0, before gutting out a victory on Sunday in the final. And unlike last year, they managed to score in both the semi-final and the final! Bowdoin will certainly have their hands full in the First Round against Plattsburgh State, who has regular-season victories over Oneonta, Skidmore, and Hobart on its resume, but I think that fate could repeat itself for the second year in a row and Bowdoin could emerge victorious against its SUNY opponent for the second year running. If it advances, it could face MIT, and even though it'd be away from home Bowdoin would fancy its chances in that potential matchup given its ability to stay tight at the back as well as score goals.

Brandeis beat NYU 3-0 at home on Saturday. Evan Jastremski opened the scoring in the first half, before Zach Vieira and Josh Ocel added late tallies to account for the final score. This was the first occasion this season that the Judges have scored more than once and simultaneously shut out the opposition - the win over Carnegie was 4-2, and while they did score twice in victories over Hardin-Simmons, Wheaton (MA), Case Western, and Rochester, all of those games ended 2-1. Brandeis seemed to be using the flanks much more effectively than before, and in my observation created more clear-cut opportunities than they have in a while. Thomas (ME) will be the Judges' first-round opponent, and while Thomas isn't coming in highly-touted they do have two very good freshmen in Adam LaBrie and DJ Nicholas leading the line, while Tre Ming pulls the strings from his midfield position. While Thomas has scored an average of 3.4 goals per game this season, that figure is inflated by their 15-1 victory over Green Mountain - excluding that, it equals out to 2.76; furthermore, Thomas has also given up an average of 1.3 goals per game. Brandeis won't take the Terriers lightly and the match could be close, but I'd expect the Judges to have most of the ball in this one and be the more threatening team. The other side of the pod features two very good programs - Stevens and RPI. Stevens has an excellent offense led by a 1-2 punch of Carson Pryor and Colin Phillips, who have scored impressive tallies of 16 and 14 goals this year, respectively. However, Stevens threw away a 3-0 lead en route to a 4-3 OT loss at MIT, and while the Engineers have to be commended for coming back that is horrible game mismanagement by Stevens, and their defense has a GAA of 0.9, so that is a potential weak spot for Stevens. RPI, meanwhile, started the season in great form, endured a six-game winless streak, failed to qualify for their conference tournament, but managed to snag an NCAA bid in controversial fashion - I personally would have taken this year's Middlebury over this year's RPI 99 times out of 100. Regardless, the Engineers are a good team, and I think their match with Stevens will be a great spectacle. As I said elsewhere, I'm personally glad that Brandeis doesn't have to face any of Babson, MIT, or Tufts in the first two rounds, or indeed before the Final Four potentially, as all three teams gave the Judges fits this season regardless of the final score. That said, no opponent can be taken lightly at this point in the year, and Brandeis will be ready.

Whether the label "defending national champion" was what got Tufts into the tournament or not, we'll never know. What we do know is that they have the know-how to get things done in NCAAs on the road. And they'll no doubt be tested, traveling to Montclair State to face Salisbury. While I'd expect them to win their First Round matchup, the Second Round would - in all likelihood - pit them against Montclair State. Make no mistake, Montclair State is legit. They lost this weekend on PKs to Rutgers-Camden, but I think the MSU offense could cause Tufts major problems. No doubt, Sullivan and Coleman have improved in the center of defense from their early-season wobbles, and Greenwood is a good goalkeeper, but Amherst and Brandeis aside Tufts hasn't faced a team like Montclair State. They're by no means perfect - they fell on PKs to Rutgers-Camden in the NJAC Final, and lost 3-0 at home to Kean last month - but they have a dynamic offense and incredible athleticism. Tufts, for its part, has Majumder up front scoring goals, and Kayne is an excellent central midfielder who I'd personally tab as an All-American, but they can be poor offensively at times - their draw at Bates was an example of this. Furthermore, despite its shutout streak, Tufts' defense can be a little shaky from time to time, and despite his excellent shot-stopping abilities Greenwood is poor on set pieces - he continuously looks unsure whether to come for the ball or stay home, and often results to just "slapping" the ball away instead of catching it - so MSU will look to exploit that. Furthermore, MSU will have the Jumbos on turf in front of a rowdy home crowd, so home-field advantage will be evident. That being said, Tufts has the best SOS in the country, won all its NCAA games on the road last year, and will be battle-tested coming into this one, but Montclair State will throw everything at them. No doubt that this one would be a great game.

You have to feel for Endicott. After so impressively going 14-1-3 throughout the regular season, they fell at the wrong time against Gordon, in the CCC final. The Gulls had already beaten the Scots this year, a 1-0 victory at home, but this time was different, as Gordon scored 3 minutes in and got another first-half tally for the 2-0 win. I had been a big Endicott supporter throughout the season, and their ties against Calvin and Williams were undoubtedly impressive, particularly the latter. But when Gordon scored early on Saturday, you had a feeling that Endicott didn't have the know-how of dealing with the pressure situation. Gordon, for its part, hasn't been too shabby, and the way that it dispatched WNE 3-0 on the road in the semis of the CCC tournament was impressive having lost to the same team earlier in the season at home. Endicott graduates a lot, but hopefully the Gulls returning can use the experience of getting to the conference final in the future. I'd love to see Endicott get a CCC crown.

Finally, Bridgewater State and UMass-Boston. The Bears made hard work of the MASCAC Tournament, winning 3-2 twice (once in overtime), but they got it done and all on the road after the whole "ineligible player" debacle. BSU will go to MIT for the First Round, and while the Bears are organized and athletic I think MIT has too much offensive firepower for them. That said, they've played well this season - 17-3-1 isn't an accident, regardless of your schedule - and they held Brandeis scoreless for 80+ minutes in their 1-0 away defeat the first game of the season. The Beacons, meanwhile, rebounded from a 1-0 loss against Plymouth State to beat the Panthers 2-0 on the road in the LEC semis. They then defeated a plucky RIC side, who had them facing a 1-0 deficit in the second half, 2-1 in overtime. UMB will have to go to St. Lawrence to face Scranton - who beat Elizabethtown for the Landmark Conference crown - and if they were to win that they'd in all likelihood have to face St. Lawrence on their home field, which is a daunting task for any side. That said, if UMB somehow gets out of that pod, I will eat a gallon of ice cream in one sitting. (Win-win for me. ;))

That's all, folks! Get excited for this weekend!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Nutmeg on November 09, 2015, 11:39:38 pm
Blooter's Beliefs

This is super long, but that's only because this weekend and today's draw had plenty of talking points. I've already made my feelings known on Tufts being picked over Middlebury elsewhere, so I'll keep that to a minimum - more importantly, there's much more exciting news to talk about otherwise!

Let's start with the NEWMAC final. Just as it did last year, Babson won the crown seemingly out of nowhere, beating MIT in the final 2-1. In a wild game, MIT scored first to break a second-half deadlock, but Babson punched them in the mouth with an 83rd minute goal, and then hit them while they were still bleeding 93 seconds later to make it 2-1. The Beavers have been hot and cold this season, beating UMass-Boston and tying RPI while falling to Williams 7-2 and giving up a goal to Springfield with 10 seconds left in regulation in a 1-1 draw, but they played well when it mattered most and got a deserved victory. Jon Anderson is a great coach and a class act, and his interview after the game respected MIT but showed that they were up for the occasion. They have a daunting First Round matchup at No. 14 Franklin & Marshall, and despite losing to Dickinson in the Centennial Conference semifinals I think F&M will be a big challenge for Babson. However, if the Beavers were to win, they'd be pitted against either Carnegie Mellon or Gordon. And while Carnegie Mellon does ship goals (GAA 1.12), that is just slightly worse than Babson (GAA 1.05), and CMU boasts a far superior attack to Babson IMHO. Gordon, meanwhile, would be a great matchup I think, and despite having more "NCAA know-how" than Babson I think that the Fighting Scots could give Babson a real game - the team's only common opponent was ECSU, who Gordon beat 3-1 at home and Babson lost 3-0 to away. Either way, the Beavers will be happy after their - perhaps unexpected - run to the tourney. MIT, meanwhile, hadn't lost a game in 15 games, and had used a combination of impressive attacking and defensive solidity to win a bunch of close games, the most impressive of which was a 4-3 OT win over Stevens, where the hosts came back from 3-0 down in the first half. However, as much as I had come around to praising MIT, and predicted that they would end up hosting a pod for the first two rounds, I also said that I didn't think they were battle-tested enough for a 16-2-1 (then 15-1-1) team, and that it could come back to haunt them in pressure situations. Furthermore, while they have a great attacking talent in Sean Bingham, who has 19 goals this season, as well as Freel and Itani, as well as some decent backs and a good GK in Amereno, I don't find MIT a particularly skilled or deep team. I think MIT should be able to get past Bridgewater State, but assuming it wins against Plattsburgh State, Bowdoin will prove a test for them in the second round - they gave Brandeis a tough game in last year's Second Round before Brandeis prevailed 1-0. Much like its team last year, Bowdoin is big, athletic, and difficult to break down, and can get forward as well. MIT will likely have the ball a lot in that game, but the Engineers have shown a nasty habit of conceding multiple goals in quick fashion - perhaps none more famously than giving up two goals in 93 seconds against Babson - and Bowdoin would no doubt look to exploit that.

The NESCAC final featured another exciting conclusion. Having stayed 0-0 through regulation, Bowdoin and Wesleyan headed to OT, where it took just 2:36 for the Polar Bears' Andrew Jones to score. Great finish into the far corner from a Stevie Van Siclen set piece, and Bowdoin won it 1-0. I was a big fan of the way Wesleyan, the eighth seed, rebounded from a five-game losing streak by beating Amherst - then No. 1 in the country - on the road, as well as getting by highly-touted Middlebury in PKs (albeit in controversial circumstances.) But it seemed that the clock struck midnight for the Cardinals, and in the most brutal fashion. Still, for a team that was one Bates goal away from not making the NESCAC tournament, the way they rebounded - and, as I've said multiple times, credit must go to Wheeler - from a losing streak, and particularly the 5-0 Amherst defeat, to go on the road and beat the #1 team in the country was impressive. Bowdoin, meanwhile, is my favorite NESCAC school, and I was happy to see the Polar Bears get another NESCAC title, even if it was about as improbable as last year's triumph. Wiercinski has his teams set up hard to beat, but they can certainly score goals as well. Jones, Miller, and Keefe are all dangerous going forward, and form a dynamic attack in front of Van Siclen, who I think is one of the best goalkeepers in the NESCAC. Lightning struck twice against Conn. College on Saturday, as the Polar Bears had their way 2-0, before gutting out a victory on Sunday in the final. And unlike last year, they managed to score in both the semi-final and the final! Bowdoin will certainly have their hands full in the First Round against Plattsburgh State, who has regular-season victories over Oneonta, Skidmore, and Hobart on its resume, but I think that fate could repeat itself for the second year in a row and Bowdoin could emerge victorious against its SUNY opponent for the second year running. If it advances, it could face MIT, and even though it'd be away from home Bowdoin would fancy its chances in that potential matchup given its ability to stay tight at the back as well as score goals.

Brandeis beat NYU 3-0 at home on Saturday. Evan Jastremski opened the scoring in the first half, before Zach Vieira and Josh Ocel added late tallies to account for the final score. This was the first occasion this season that the Judges have scored more than once and simultaneously shut out the opposition - the win over Carnegie was 4-2, and while they did score twice in victories over Hardin-Simmons, Wheaton (MA), Case Western, and Rochester, all of those games ended 2-1. Brandeis seemed to be using the flanks much more effectively than before, and in my observation created more clear-cut opportunities than they have in a while. Thomas (ME) will be the Judges' first-round opponent, and while Thomas isn't coming in highly-touted they do have two very good freshmen in Adam LaBrie and DJ Nicholas leading the line, while Tre Ming pulls the strings from his midfield position. While Thomas has scored an average of 3.4 goals per game this season, that figure is inflated by their 15-1 victory over Green Mountain - excluding that, it equals out to 2.76; furthermore, Thomas has also given up an average of 1.3 goals per game. Brandeis won't take the Terriers lightly and the match could be close, but I'd expect the Judges to have most of the ball in this one and be the more threatening team. The other side of the pod features two very good programs - Stevens and RPI. Stevens has an excellent offense led by a 1-2 punch of Carson Pryor and Colin Phillips, who have scored impressive tallies of 16 and 14 goals this year, respectively. However, Stevens threw away a 3-0 lead en route to a 4-3 OT loss at MIT, and while the Engineers have to be commended for coming back that is horrible game mismanagement by Stevens, and their defense has a GAA of 0.9, so that is a potential weak spot for Stevens. RPI, meanwhile, started the season in great form, endured a six-game winless streak, failed to qualify for their conference tournament, but managed to snag an NCAA bid in controversial fashion - I personally would have taken this year's Middlebury over this year's RPI 99 times out of 100. Regardless, the Engineers are a good team, and I think their match with Stevens will be a great spectacle. As I said elsewhere, I'm personally glad that Brandeis doesn't have to face any of Babson, MIT, or Tufts in the first two rounds, or indeed before the Final Four potentially, as all three teams gave the Judges fits this season regardless of the final score. That said, no opponent can be taken lightly at this point in the year, and Brandeis will be ready.

Whether the label "defending national champion" was what got Tufts into the tournament or not, we'll never know. What we do know is that they have the know-how to get things done in NCAAs on the road. And they'll no doubt be tested, traveling to Montclair State to face Salisbury. While I'd expect them to win their First Round matchup, the Second Round would - in all likelihood - pit them against Montclair State. Make no mistake, Montclair State is legit. They lost this weekend on PKs to Rutgers-Camden, but I think the MSU offense could cause Tufts major problems. No doubt, Sullivan and Coleman have improved in the center of defense from their early-season wobbles, and Greenwood is a good goalkeeper, but Amherst and Brandeis aside Tufts hasn't faced a team like Montclair State. They're by no means perfect - they fell on PKs to Rutgers-Camden in the NJAC Final, and lost 3-0 at home to Kean last month - but they have a dynamic offense and incredible athleticism. Tufts, for its part, has Majumder up front scoring goals, and Kayne is an excellent central midfielder who I'd personally tab as an All-American, but they can be poor offensively at times - their draw at Bates was an example of this. Furthermore, despite its shutout streak, Tufts' defense can be a little shaky from time to time, and despite his excellent shot-stopping abilities Greenwood is poor on set pieces - he continuously looks unsure whether to come for the ball or stay home, and often results to just "slapping" the ball away instead of catching it - so MSU will look to exploit that. Furthermore, MSU will have the Jumbos on turf in front of a rowdy home crowd, so home-field advantage will be evident. That being said, Tufts has the best SOS in the country, won all its NCAA games on the road last year, and will be battle-tested coming into this one, but Montclair State will throw everything at them. No doubt that this one would be a great game.

You have to feel for Endicott. After so impressively going 14-1-3 throughout the regular season, they fell at the wrong time against Gordon, in the CCC final. The Gulls had already beaten the Scots this year, a 1-0 victory at home, but this time was different, as Gordon scored 3 minutes in and got another first-half tally for the 2-0 win. I had been a big Endicott supporter throughout the season, and their ties against Calvin and Williams were undoubtedly impressive, particularly the latter. But when Gordon scored early on Saturday, you had a feeling that Endicott didn't have the know-how of dealing with the pressure situation. Gordon, for its part, hasn't been too shabby, and the way that it dispatched WNE 3-0 on the road in the semis of the CCC tournament was impressive having lost to the same team earlier in the season at home. Endicott graduates a lot, but hopefully the Gulls returning can use the experience of getting to the conference final in the future. I'd love to see Endicott get a CCC crown.

Finally, Bridgewater State and UMass-Boston. The Bears made hard work of the MASCAC Tournament, winning 3-2 twice (once in overtime), but they got it done and all on the road after the whole "ineligible player" debacle. BSU will go to MIT for the First Round, and while the Bears are organized and athletic I think MIT has too much offensive firepower for them. That said, they've played well this season - 17-3-1 isn't an accident, regardless of your schedule - and they held Brandeis scoreless for 80+ minutes in their 1-0 away defeat the first game of the season. The Beacons, meanwhile, rebounded from a 1-0 loss against Plymouth State to beat the Panthers 2-0 on the road in the LEC semis. They then defeated a plucky RIC side, who had them facing a 1-0 deficit in the second half, 2-1 in overtime. UMB will have to go to St. Lawrence to face Scranton - who beat Elizabethtown for the Landmark Conference crown - and if they were to win that they'd in all likelihood have to face St. Lawrence on their home field, which is a daunting task for any side. That said, if UMB somehow gets out of that pod, I will eat a gallon of ice cream in one sitting. (Win-win for me. ;))

That's all, folks! Get excited for this weekend!

Nice work Bloots!!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 12, 2015, 03:54:41 pm
NCAA first round predictions for the 13 NE teams:

Lycoming 3 - Johnson & Wales 1

J&W comes into this game on a 12 game winning streak in which they have outscored their opponents 46-6.  Unfortunately, Lycoming is not a GNAC caliber team.  Lycoming brushes the Wildcats aside.

Brandeis 2 - Thomas 0

Thomas is undefeated in their last 8 games and has outscored their opponents 34-7.  It should be noted that 15 of those goals came against Green Mountain in a classy display of Thomas dominance.  They will now be Judged by a superior foe, and I am doubting Thomas will score. 

Mass-Boston  2 - Scranton 1

Mass-Boston started the season like gangbusters but went 6-4 in their last 10 games.  Scranton won only 4 of their last 8.   The Beacons prevail in competitive match.

MIT 1 - Bridgewater St 0

Fun fact: the average SAT score for Bridgewater St (reading + math) is 990 and for MIT is 1515.  MIT will figure out a way to win.   Bridgewater State (17-3-1) is 0-3 versus NCAA tournament team (Brandeis, Babson, Mass-Boston).  It will be 0-4 after Saturday.   

Bowdoin 1 - Plattsburgh St 0

Plattsburgh stumbles into this contest just 2-3 in their last five and was shutout twice.  The Polar Bears score early and put this one on ice.

Montclair St. 5 - Daniel Webster 0

The good news -- Daniel Webster is on a 16-game winning streak.  The bad news -- the wins have been over the likes of Newbury, Wheelock, Becker and Elms.  This one is no contest.

Tufts 1 - Salisbury 0

The Jumbos avoid making a Salisbury mistake.

Franklin & Marshall 2 - Babson 0

The Diplomats have dropped 3 of their last 4, but Babson lacks the firepower to pull off the upset.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan20 on December 03, 2015, 10:15:54 am
NSCAA All New England selections


First Team                       
Pos.   Player       Class       School   Hometown
K   Thomas Bull          Sr.         Amherst   Montgomery, N.J.
D   Cooper D'Ambrosio      Sr.         Eastern Connecticut State    Andover, Conn.
D   Conor Lanahan     Sr.         Brandeis   Avon, Conn.
D   Carter Ocko         Jr.         Endicott   Danvers, Mass.
D   Nabil Odulate          Sr.         Bowdoin   Ellicott City, Md.
D   Deklan RobInson     Sr.         Middlebury   Gloucester, Mass.
M   Sean Bingham         Sr.         Massachusetts Insititute of Technology   Garden City, N.Y.
M   Tyler Carlos         Sr.         Babson   Prospect, Conn.
M   Xavier Carty         Jr.         Johnson & Wales (R.I.)   Mount Vernon, N.Y.
M   Caleb Cole          Jr.         Gordon   Coatesville, Pa.
M   Patrik Devlin          Jr.         Connecticut College   Washington Crossing, Pa.
M   Tre Ming                 Sr.         Thomas (Maine)   Devonshire, Bermuda
M   Josh Ocel        Jr.       Brandeis   North Attleboro, Mass.
F   Greg Conrad        Jr.       Middlebury   Peabody, Mass.
F   Conor Murtagh       Sr.       Bridgewater State   Walpole, Mass.
F   Nico Pascuel-Leone     Sr.       Amherst   Wayland, Mass.
                    
Second Team                           
Pos.   Player       Class       School   Hometown
K   Nick Weinstein         Jr.         Endicott   Trumball, Conn.
D   Christian Albrecht    Sr.         Norwich   Albuquerque, N.M.
D   Kevin Davis          Jr.         Wheaton (Mass.)   Beacon, N.Y.
D   Ben Gradert         So.         Gordon   Hudson, Ohio
M   Shintaroh Itoh         Sr         Endicott   Tokyo, Japan
M   Mohamed Kenawy   Fr         Massachusetts-Boston   Revere, Mass.
M   Jake Picard          Sr.         Brandeis   West Suffield, Conn.
M   Jake Tietgens         Sr.         Castleton   Stamford, Vt.
F   Abdulla Al Khalifa   Sr.         Endicott   Riffa, Bahrain
F   Luke Alvaro         Jr.         Springfield   Chicopee, Mass.
F   Pedro Dasilva          Sr         Massachusetts-Boston   Fogo, Cape Verde
F   Komla Dogbey       So.       Rhode Island College   Providence, R.I.
F   Adam Glaser        Jr.       Middlebury   Washington D.C.
F   Kareem Itani       Jr.       Massachusetts Insititute Of Technology   Dallas, Texas
F   Nathan Majumder    Jr.       Tufts   Williamstown, Mass.
F   Michael Skarbelis    So.       New England College   North Andover, Mass

Third Team                       
Pos.   Player       Class       School   Hometown
K   Gregory Sydor          Jr.         Middlebury   Madison, Conn.
D   Justin Aoyama         Jr.         Amherst   Narberth, Pa.
D   Geoff Danilack          Sr.         Williams College   Rockville, Md.
D   Andrew Gonzalez   Sr.         Babson   Durham, Conn.
D   Charlie Gruner          Jr.         Wesleyan   Stevenson, Md.
D   Robbie Lynch         Sr.         Brandeis   Weymouth, Mass.
D   Monil Patel         Sr.         Tufts   Niskayuna, N.Y.
M   Emmett Basaca   So.         Wentworth Institute of Technology   San Diego, Calif.
M   Austin Freel         Sr.         Massachusetts Insititute Of Technology   San Diego, Calif.
M   Tobias Gimand         Jr.         Trinity (Conn.)   Fairfield, Conn.
M   Noah Kossoff         Sr.         Wheaton (Mass.)   New York, N.Y.
F   Ian Hutchinson         Jr.         Daniel Webster   Litchfield, N.H.
F   Christopher Martin   Jr.       Amherst   Philadelphia, Pa.
F   Carlos Martinez   Sr.         Mount Ida    Newton, Mass.
F   Amarah Sesay         So.         Wheaton (Mass.)   New York, N.Y.
F   Denali Sexton         So.         Colby-Sawyer    Barrington, R.I.
F   Jacob Zimmerman    Jr.         Norwich   Litchfield, N.H.


Thoughts?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jump4Joy on December 04, 2015, 08:21:03 am
Endicott gets lots of love here. Why?
Congrats to all award winners.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on December 04, 2015, 08:32:27 am
Given the talk on this message board, it's shocking that Jason Payne wasn't 1st Team All-Region (and in the mix for All-American), so completely unsure what to think that he didn't even make any of the three teams.  Anyone have a theory?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan20 on December 04, 2015, 12:02:33 pm
Jump4Joy-

Having seen Endicott play multiple times I am not surprised.
Ocko was Co -defensive POY in the conference.
Weinstein transferred in from Bryant last spring and set all new school records and had the longest shutout streak in the nation going on 8 games. As well as ranking in top 20 in every GK category.

Al Khalifa scored 12 goals as well as some of the best I've seen at the collegiate level.

Itoh had 10 assists and 5 goals I believe.

Agree heavily on the first three selections for them, Itoh deserved it but also others could have been in.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Jump4Joy on December 04, 2015, 02:28:39 pm
NESF20: suggests they underperformed in NCAAs?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on December 06, 2015, 01:52:38 am
Given the talk on this message board, it's shocking that Jason Payne wasn't 1st Team All-Region (and in the mix for All-American), so completely unsure what to think that he didn't even make any of the three teams.  Anyone have a theory?

Just did not have a good enough season statistically. No matter how you spin it - and no doubt his teammates were guilty of fluffing chances when Kayne put them in good positions - 1 goal and 2 assists is not good enough, especially when you have All-American guys like Josh Ocel putting up 4 goals and 10 assists, and scoring three game-winners and assisting on six others. Kayne is the most attacking of the Tufts midfield three, but even Pinheiro's numbers were significantly better at 2 goals and 6 assists.

Personally, I like Kayne a lot as a player, and thought he could very well have been the best player in the NESCAC this fall, and at season's end I would have had him in my top three (only edged by NPL and Majumder), so was a bit surprised that he didn't get more recognition. However, I understand why he was perhaps overlooked.

NESF20: suggests they underperformed in NCAAs?

They did not make NCAAs due to their poor SOS, but they were an NCAA-caliber team IMHO. Al Khalifa and Weinstein are legit.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan20 on December 07, 2015, 11:05:32 am
Another interesting note I just found out... with the New England goalies... Sydor, Dacuhna and Weinstein all trained and played together at the same club in CT
All d1 keepers that transferred... pretty cool!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan on December 07, 2015, 11:43:57 am
Jump4Joy-

Having seen Endicott play multiple times I am not surprised.
Ocko was Co -defensive POY in the conference.
Weinstein transferred in from Bryant last spring and set all new school records and had the longest shutout streak in the nation going on 8 games. As well as ranking in top 20 in every GK category.

Al Khalifa scored 12 goals as well as some of the best I've seen at the collegiate level.

Itoh had 10 assists and 5 goals I believe.

Agree heavily on the first three selections for them, Itoh deserved it but also others could have been in.

I just don't see how that team deserves as many players on all NE as national champ Amherst or regional powerhouse Brandeis (4) and twice as many as Tufts (2).
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan20 on December 08, 2015, 10:13:16 am
NEsoccerfan

Agreed completely, the four chosen all were very deserving selections but it is weird to see Endicott have as many selections as other big dogs in the region who made runs in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on December 08, 2015, 10:15:31 am
Where did DaCahuna transfer from?  He is nowhere near a D1 goalie. Same with Endicott's GK. They are good D3 keepers but not D1's. I would like to see Conn improve their GK situation next year.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan20 on December 08, 2015, 10:18:13 am
Mr. Right

Dacuhna from Fairfield U

Weinstein spent two seasons at Bryant

Both are quality GK's, what held them back big time was size at the D1 level.

Haven't seen much of Dacuhna at all but have watched Weinstein a fair amount this season.
Impressed me with distribution, communication, quickness and shot stopping, just being 5' 11 (generously) hurts him big time with aerial stuff.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on December 08, 2015, 10:25:06 am
Yes the lack of size on those 2 GK'ers are the reason. The question being these days are these kids getting bad info in one ear about where they can play and contribute. Also, an ego thing kids WANT to play D1 even if it is lowly D1 Fairfield and Bryant are far from the Top 20. Someone needs to better advise these kids coming out that NO THEY ARE NOT GOOD enough to START at D1 Programs. Personally, I think Conn can do much better in net. They need a bigger GK
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan20 on December 08, 2015, 10:29:37 am
Seems like you've seen a lot of Dacuhna... what are main issues with him?
Have you seen Weinstein at all?

As I said have only seen Dacuhna once and Weinstein a few times but agree with the size factor. Both these kids came from a very good club in Beachside where a lot of D1 players came out of. Could be a bad trend and a force to go d1 on their behalves.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on December 08, 2015, 10:57:46 am
Beachside is a GOOD club not a SUPERIOR club. I believe Trinity's Bednarik came from Beachside. I saw Weinstein once v Williams and he mad one superior save and was a quality GK in that game. He also seemed to have a solid back 4 in front of him. Endicott IMO was anemic up front and created next to nothing against Williams so that was my beef with them. They were certainly athletic at the back.

Conn's DaCahuna is a generous 5'11 and to me just does not command his box well enough. He makes great saves and then gives up soft goals. He did have an inexperienced backline infront of him in 2015 but had a very experienced one in 2014 and he was awful IMO in 2014. A 5'11 GK better be quick like a cat and athletic, agile and have good hops. He also better have great reaction reflex..Think Alcorn or Greenwood. DaCahuna to me is a step slow in all those regards. He would not be a GK I would recruit. Just my opinion
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan20 on December 08, 2015, 11:04:33 am
Beachside had Bednarik, Gimand from Trinity
Sydor, Weinstein and Dacuhna

Agreed on Endicott... Had an excellent athletic back line, not big guys but bulldogs in the back, returning everyone for next season so they will be tough to break down.

Agree with Dacuhna makes some incredible saves but gives up some softies.

How is Amherst GK situation for next season?

Overall I thought the three all-region selections were well deserved Bull a no brainer first team and all american, Weinstein deserved it and so did Sydor.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on December 08, 2015, 11:23:02 am
Amherst will reload...NPL and Bull are losses they will not be able to replace right away. Singer and Rico can be replaced and the rest were bit pieces at best. I think the GK in waiting is a good GK just does not have experience yet.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: All NESCAC on December 08, 2015, 03:59:07 pm
Beachside is a GOOD club not a SUPERIOR club. I believe Trinity's Bednarik came from Beachside. I saw Weinstein once v Williams and he mad one superior save and was a quality GK in that game. He also seemed to have a solid back 4 in front of him. Endicott IMO was anemic up front and created next to nothing against Williams so that was my beef with them. They were certainly athletic at the back.

Conn's DaCahuna is a generous 5'11 and to me just does not command his box well enough. He makes great saves and then gives up soft goals. He did have an inexperienced backline infront of him in 2015 but had a very experienced one in 2014 and he was awful IMO in 2014. A 5'11 GK better be quick like a cat and athletic, agile and have good hops. He also better have great reaction reflex..Think Alcorn or Greenwood. DaCahuna to me is a step slow in all those regards. He would not be a GK I would recruit. Just my opinion

Agree with your assessments Mr Right
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on December 09, 2015, 03:04:25 pm
Blooter's Beliefs

Just thought I would offer some thoughts on the NE teams in the final NSCAA Top 25: Amherst (#1), Brandeis (#9), MIT (#13), and Tufts (#16).

Amherst: The best team in the country this year, and now they have the title to prove it. Huge monkey off of Serpone's back, and you can bet that Amherst will enjoy that even more after cruel exits the past three years, particularly in 2012 and 2013. NPL and Bull will be huge losses for them next year, and both were worthy of their AA selections, although I thought NPL should have been 1st Team no question. Singer still a big loss, but not as much — a good target man that is key to the way Amherst plays and can hold up and hit a ball very well, but not a particularly incredible CF in the vein of say Bingham or Majumder in terms of speed, skill, or agility. Never really been impressed by Rico and I think he can be replaced, but he was a solid player who did his job. I think if they're going to stick with 4-3-3 that moving Martin into the middle could be a good move, he is that rare combination of big and fast and a good finisher as well. However, they might want to keep his speed on the outside. Anyway, Amherst will re-load, but the big questions are on offense and in goal, and those will need to be answered, but I think Martin and Owen will fill the voids. Still think they're the best team in the NESCAC, although Tufts and Majumder and Midd and Conrad might have something to say about that.

Brandeis: I think No. 9 was correct for Brandeis, as while they weren't Elite 8 level this season I objectively think they were better than any of the other Sweet 16 teams. Not as talented as last year's team, but won the University Athletic Association, beat then-No.1 Tufts away, and finished a very impressive 18-3-1, which is just one win less than they managed last year. They lose Lanahan at CB which will be huge considering he was D3soccer.com DPOY and a two-time NSCAA All-American — 1st Team in 2015, 2nd Team in 2014 —  as well as Picard at CM who is huge for Brandeis' midfield rhythm and Lynch at LB who was an incredible talent wherever he played, and was AA-worthy in my homer opinion. However, they bring back Josh Ocel, who was a 2nd Team All-American this year and was for me Brandeis' best player: scored 4 goals, had 10 assists, and either scored or assisted half of Brandeis' game-winners. Carried on the family legacy that his brother Sam, who was also an AA selection at striker for Brandeis, admirably. They might get Josh back for another year if he takes a medical hardship year like his brother, as he missed FY with a broken leg, and I assume he will. Also GK Woodhouse comes back and they'll likely get back outside back Josh Hacunda, who tore his ACL this summer, for a medical hardship year, as well as Vieira and Jastremski, so I think Brandeis will be competitive.

MIT: The Engineers had a heck of a season, their second-best ever next to the Elite 8 appearance in 2003. They certainly silenced the doubters, including myself, and Bingham was well worthy of his 1st Team AA honor by putting up a crazy total of 21g & 12a, including 2g & 1a in the NCAA Tournament. No. 13 is a bit high personally for me, I would have had them behind MSU and Tufts, but between the former's 2nd Round exit and the latter's sub-par regular season, I can see the logic. Their season was interesting: Bovell is a defensive coach, and while they pitched shutouts in 9 of their first 10 games they conceded goals in 6 of their last 10, including two or more on four occasions. They relied a ton on their offense, particularly Bingham, Freel, and Itani, and while they delivered MIT was absolutely no match for SUNY Oneonta in the Sweet 16. Also interesting was that MIT's other two losses were against Roger Williams and Babson: not great this year & they need to start winning those games if they want to be considered a regional power. Losing Bingham could be crippling, as he scored or assisted 52% of their goals, and losing Freel and GK Amereno will be big, but I think they'll take this experience moving forward. If nothing else, they had a great season this year.

Tufts: Ended up pretty much exactly where I expected they would at No. 16 — a good team, an NCAA team, but not quite on the level as last year. Were No. 1 for a while but fell in their first real test at home to Brandeis, although I don't think they deserved to lose that game — then again, they didn't really deserve to win, either. Lost a tough one away to Amherst in 2OT and the Hamilton 2OT loss was a farce, but they went undefeated from that point until their NESCAC loss to Bowdoin. But Tufts did as Tufts does in NCAAs and pulled one of the upsets of the season by beating Montclair State in the Round of 32. However, even last year when they had an "underachieving" regular season you always had the feeling that they could turn it on. This year, I never really had that feeling. They lose Kayne, who would be an AA player in my book but didn't have a good enough season statistically with only 1g&2a, Patel, Pinheiro, Schiable, and Brown, whose loss I think could be the biggest, but Majumder will be back and will be a year more experienced, Greenwood returns and will hopefully work on commanding his area better in the offseason, and the defensive pair of Sullivan and Coleman will have a better grasp of CB after being thrown into the fire this year, so I think they'll be fine.

Quick mentions for Bowdoin and Gordon, who both made it into the RV category. Bowdoin loses a ton of offensive production and pace in Miller, Jones, and Keefe, among others, but Dias Costa will be back and I think they have some good talent throughout the roster. They also lose Odulate but bring back Van Siclen, who is key to Bowdoin's defensive game, so while I don't think they'll win the NESCAC for the third time I think they'll be competitive. Gordon did well for themselves and beat Carnegie Mellon in the 1st Round, which has got to be the program's biggest victory. Initially, I was a bit surprised to see Caleb Cole's name on the 1st Team All-American sheet, but he was AA last year and his 8g & 8a were huge this year and he led his team in both categories, so in hindsight I think it was deserved. Very good CM. Gordon returns a ton of talent, including Spoonhour in goal and 82% of the team's goals, and next year could well be the year that they make that jump from New England also-rans into a legit regional powerhouse. We shall wait and see.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Brother Flounder on December 09, 2015, 03:43:44 pm
Blooter's Beliefs

Just thought I would offer some thoughts on the NE teams in the final NSCAA Top 25: Amherst (#1), Brandeis (#9), MIT (#13), and Tufts (#16).

Amherst: The best team in the country this year, and now they have the title to prove it. Huge monkey off of Serpone's back, and you can bet that Amherst will enjoy that even more after cruel exits the past three years, particularly in 2012 and 2013. NPL and Bull will be huge losses for them next year, and both were worthy of their AA selections, although I thought NPL should have been 1st Team no question. Singer still a big loss, but not as much — a good target man that is key to the way Amherst plays and can hold up and hit a ball very well, but not a particularly incredible CF in the vein of say Bingham or Majumder in terms of speed, skill, or agility. Never really been impressed by Rico and I think he can be replaced, but he was a solid player who did his job. I think if they're going to stick with 4-3-3 that moving Martin into the middle could be a good move, he is that rare combination of big and fast and a good finisher as well. However, they might want to keep his speed on the outside. Anyway, Amherst will re-load, but the big questions are on offense and in goal, and those will need to be answered, but I think Martin and Owen will fill the voids. Still think they're the best team in the NESCAC, although Tufts and Majumder and Midd and Conrad might have something to say about that.

Brandeis: I think No. 9 was correct for Brandeis, as while they weren't Elite 8 level this season I objectively think they were better than any of the other Sweet 16 teams. Not as talented as last year's team, but won the University Athletic Association, beat then-No.1 Tufts away, and finished a very impressive 18-3-1, which is just one win less than they managed last year. They lose Lanahan at CB which will be huge considering he was D3soccer.com DPOY and a two-time NSCAA All-American — 1st Team in 2015, 2nd Team in 2014 —  as well as Picard at CM who is huge for Brandeis' midfield rhythm and Lynch at LB who was an incredible talent wherever he played, and was AA-worthy in my homer opinion. However, they bring back Josh Ocel, who was a 2nd Team All-American this year and was for me Brandeis' best player: scored 4 goals, had 10 assists, and either scored or assisted half of Brandeis' game-winners. Carried on the family legacy that his brother Sam, who was also an AA selection at striker for Brandeis, admirably. They might get Josh back for another year if he takes a medical hardship year like his brother, as he missed FY with a broken leg, and I assume he will. Also GK Woodhouse comes back and they'll likely get back outside back Josh Hacunda, who tore his ACL this summer, for a medical hardship year, as well as Vieira and Jastremski, so I think Brandeis will be competitive.

MIT: The Engineers had a heck of a season, their second-best ever next to the Elite 8 appearance in 2003. They certainly silenced the doubters, including myself, and Bingham was well worthy of his 1st Team AA honor by putting up a crazy total of 21g & 12a, including 2g & 1a in the NCAA Tournament. No. 13 is a bit high personally for me, I would have had them behind MSU and Tufts, but between the former's 2nd Round exit and the latter's sub-par regular season, I can see the logic. Their season was interesting: Bovell is a defensive coach, and while they pitched shutouts in 9 of their first 10 games they conceded goals in 6 of their last 10, including two or more on four occasions. They relied a ton on their offense, particularly Bingham, Freel, and Itani, and while they delivered MIT was absolutely no match for SUNY Oneonta in the Sweet 16. Also interesting was that MIT's other two losses were against Roger Williams and Babson: not great this year & they need to start winning those games if they want to be considered a regional power. Losing Bingham could be crippling, as he scored or assisted 52% of their goals, and losing Freel and GK Amereno will be big, but I think they'll take this experience moving forward. If nothing else, they had a great season this year.

Tufts: Ended up pretty much exactly where I expected they would at No. 16 — a good team, an NCAA team, but not quite on the level as last year. Were No. 1 for a while but fell in their first real test at home to Brandeis, although I don't think they deserved to lose that game — then again, they didn't really deserve to win, either. Lost a tough one away to Amherst in 2OT and the Hamilton 2OT loss was a farce, but they went undefeated from that point until their NESCAC loss to Bowdoin. But Tufts did as Tufts does in NCAAs and pulled one of the upsets of the season by beating Montclair State in the Round of 32. However, even last year when they had an "underachieving" regular season you always had the feeling that they could turn it on. This year, I never really had that feeling. They lose Kayne, who would be an AA player in my book but didn't have a good enough season statistically with only 1g&2a, Patel, Pinheiro, Schiable, and Brown, whose loss I think could be the biggest, but Majumder will be back and will be a year more experienced, Greenwood returns and will hopefully work on commanding his area better in the offseason, and the defensive pair of Sullivan and Coleman will have a better grasp of CB after being thrown into the fire this year, so I think they'll be fine.

Quick mentions for Bowdoin and Gordon, who both made it into the RV category. Bowdoin loses a ton of offensive production and pace in Miller, Jones, and Keefe, among others, but Dias Costa will be back and I think they have some good talent throughout the roster. They also lose Odulate but bring back Van Siclen, who is key to Bowdoin's defensive game, so while I don't think they'll win the NESCAC for the third time I think they'll be competitive. Gordon did well for themselves and beat Carnegie Mellon in the 1st Round, which has got to be the program's biggest victory. Initially, I was a bit surprised to see Caleb Cole's name on the 1st Team All-American sheet, but he was AA last year and his 8g & 8a were huge this year and he led his team in both categories, so in hindsight I think it was deserved. Very good CM. Gordon returns a ton of talent, including Spoonhour in goal and 82% of the team's goals, and next year could well be the year that they make that jump from New England also-rans into a legit regional powerhouse. We shall wait and see.

Well done, Bloots!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on December 10, 2015, 12:48:12 pm
Bloots,

Excellent stuff as usual as that had to be at least a 45 minute post. Well done. My thoughts on your comments.

Amherst- Points I agree on----1. Amherst best team in country this year.  2. Bull and NPL are huge losses, however I was quite shocked in 2013 after Amherst graduated a monster class from that 2012 team how well they did. There was a drop off but not as much as I expected. Singer may not be replaced s easily as we both think as he was a good target man, had sneaky speed and a knack for getting "big" goals. I will be interested to see the GK situation play out next year as Bull is a monster loss. He has been starting in net since he arrived on campus and the in-experience in college matches of the other capable GK'ers will be fun to watch play out. I disagree with moving Martin to the middle. His speed is to valuable on the flank plus he is a better athlete than soccer player IMO. He does not "beat" guys as much as just completely blow by them. I thought the Loras and Oneonta backs matched his speed and took him out of the game pretty well. 

Brandeis-IMO they lose a ton of leadership and besides the starting RB how many other frosh contributed? You know better than I but I am sensing Margolis and Coven need a monster class this year. BTW it was great that Coven complimented Margolis when he won the regional COY. Margolis has his hands all over this program and while Coven is very well respected it is no secret that Margolis has been the mastermind behind all the recruiting and the style of play. If you ever saw Brandeis before Margolis arrived you would not even recognize them. He MUST be itching at the chance to take over but Coven seems to be having fun and not ready to give it up yet but he has to be nearing 70. Is it crazy for me to think that Picard will be just as big a loss as Lanahan? Just my opinion.

MIT---Honestly I only saw them 3 times this year. v Brandeis v Bowdoin and v Bridgewater St... They were athletic in the back and had a good GK but I was not impressed with them going forward. Bingham's #'s are greatly inflated from a weak schedule..Would like to know his goals against NEWMAC teams minus Emerson and other top regional teams. He was sneaky and scored a stinger to knock Bowdoin out of the NCAA's. Bowdoin should have won that game and I really would have been interested to see them try to frustrate Oneonta down at Haverford. It was not to be.

Tufts has some MAJOR player losses the past 2 years and will be VERY young next year. They do have from what I have heard a VERY good class coming in so Shapiro is reloading but it might take a year or 2. The kid Rojas coming from New Jersey is the real deal and will contribute immediately. Defensively you are correct the 2 CB's will be improved and Greenwood is a good GK so they need to find more help for Majumder scoring wise.

Bowdoin's losses of Miller, Jones and Keefe will hurt but to be honest they are replaceable. Odulate's leadership in the back will be missed the most but I am confident in what that coaching staff is doing up there. They are extremely organized defensively and I believe will continue to be that way. They need, like most teams, a striker who can score. They will be young next year but they have some solid young players on that bench. Stenquist got some major playing time against MIT and I thought he played well. He will be key in midfield and Masterson will only continue to get better on the flank. He is just as quick if not quicker than Jones.



Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on December 10, 2015, 02:31:06 pm

In hindsight, would agree with Martin staying out wide. You're right that he just blows guys away, and what is so impressive about him to me is that he is a huge guy but has the wheels that anyone would take. Big question is either way who goes into the middle at CF because Singer started there for three years if I'm not mistaken. Then again, I would be more worried if Amherst was the kind of team whose system was completely built around the abilities of a creative forward who made runs off the backs of defenders, rather than a target man whose main job it is to hold the ball up for his winger teammates and finish chances. I think the former is much harder to find than the latter, and perhaps is why Amherst has an approach year after year that relies more on the forwards being able to hold up the ball rather than a skilled, speedy striker. What will also be interesting to see is how CB Bean plays with a new goalkeeper behind him, as Bull's presence and calming presence. Was not impressed by FY Ajayi when he played at CB, literally hoofed it whenever he got it. Even if that fits Amherst's approach, he needs to relax if he wants to be a top player. He's got potential, though. Anyway, Amherst's biggest holes are at either end of the pitch.

Lanahan will be a big loss no doubt, and Picard and Lynch will be big losses whose full extent probably won't be realized until next year. Both Picard and Lynch are two players who do all the little things that go unnoticed. I think Miskin and Hernandez are capable of replacing Picard - Miskin is a bit cleaner technically and faster, and Hernandez is a better destroyer in terms of breaking up play - although Picard was probably the most well-rounded out of that group of three. However, Ocel was Brandeis' standout midfielder, both offensively and defensively, and his leadership will be huge next year. You're right that Brandeis was a "rock-em, sock-em" type of team before Margolis started, and he was initially met with resistance when he tried to change the style, but Coven realizes now that Margolis was the best thing to happen to that program in a long time and will be fine when Coven decides to call it a day. As far as FYs go, Josh Handler saw lots of time at outside forward - very good player, quick, skilled, and provided some very deft no-look touches. The frosh classes have gotten better every year for the last 5 years or so, and I would imagine that'd continue. But you're right, next year's FY class has to be ready.

Bingham was one of those players that I couldn't really make my mind up about until he broke the 20-goal barrier. Also 21 goals in 22 games is crazy, and the fact that he scored or assisted 52% of their goals, well, that is just impressive. However, he was completely missing against Brandeis - 0 shots - but he did get two against Stevens, one against Bridgewater (NCAAs) and the OT winner against Bowdoin (NCAAs), so he has delivered when it matters. Then again - and he admitted much in an interview with his student newspaper - that all of their offense is pretty much fed through him. Would be curious to see how he would have done in the NESCAC. I have to admit they were the better team against Brandeis and I wondered if MIT was going to go on a Cinderella run in NCAAs; however, they barely deserved to beat Bowdoin & Oneonta put them in their place. They bring back some talent but much like Amherst they lose big players at either end of the pitch and that could hurt. They had a similar problem when they lost Ben Lewis (1st Team AA) back in 2012, and while they made it back to the tourney they lost to WNEC in the first round. In my opinion, I don't see them doing anywhere near as well as this year based on the talent that they lose.

The biggest problem for Tufts I think is they lose two of their three midfielders. That kid Halliday can play, but filling the boots of Kayne and Pinheiro who were both four-year starters is going to be a big issue. Tufts has a lot of offensive weapons and styles that it can pull out at any point - they can go down the wing, through the middle, or straight over the top to Majumder - but losing pretty much all of their offensive production through the midfield on top of losing Connor Brown is massive. Even if Kayne didn't have a great season statistically he does all the little things that makes a great player, and he will be missed. The other big issue for Tufts is that everyone has Majumder's number now.  He was definitely kept more in check as the season went on - he scored 5 in his first 5, but 6 in his last 13 (although 2 were against Kenyon in NCAAs, so he is clearly made for the big stage.) However, I think he was able to come into this year and do so well partially because he was (relatively) unknown - I mean, granted the kid scored twice in the NCAA Final last year, but he was still a very much unknown quantity because Hoppenot was Tufts' starter up top. Either way, I think he'll do well, but he has a target on his back now.

What has impressed me about Bowdoin has been Wiercinski's ability to work well with what he's got. He's not a defensive coach by nature, as his teams at UChicago were pretty good attacking sides, but that maybe had something to do with the attacking/possession-based nature that UAA teams seem to have in general (how many UAA teams are like Middlebury, Bowdoin, or Amherst in terms of defense-first? Zero. Maybe that's why they don't get very far in NCAAs, but that's another story.) However, he realized that he had a very good goalkeeper and if they could just stay compact that they could more often than not get things down the other end of the pitch. Granted, both years they were massively helped by having the #1 seed knocked out in the QFs, but they got the job done. They were outplayed by Brandeis last year in the NCAA 2nd Round and Brandeis was deserved winners, but I thought they were the better team against MIT this year and were massively unlucky not to win. Either way, they have a good system in place and a good goalkeeper who will keep them in games, and with their organized nature I think they'll be alright.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on December 10, 2015, 04:19:18 pm
Completely agree with all of this. Very valid points on all teams mentioned.

-If MIT would make that job a Full time gig and give them the resources that Brandeis gave Coven(A full-time assistant like Margolis) they could be a regional power year in, year out. No question 2 Full-time coaches non stop recruiting for MIT and with a little help from admissions sneaking a player or 2 in that has no business being at MIT they would be a powerhouse. I just do not understand why MIT does not put more resources into some of their athletic teams and why big time alums would not put pressure on them to do so.

-You are correct I think Ocel will have to be a monster next year. I was very impressed with the work ethic of Brandeis. Guys like Lynch, Pickard and Viera are just fun to watch because they keep battling and leave everything out on the field. You cannot underestimate what type of leadership and models that is for incoming Frosh. I mean Viera works his ass off and they all should be commended for it. I think a couple top level Nescac sides made a huge mistake passing on Viera for other players but there were some question marks when he was coming out of the ISL. I believe he led the league in scoring or was 2nd his senior year. I just think as a college coach watching him play only a couple times you might be misled by what he has to offer. Kudos to margolis for not missing that.

-Bowdoin will also be fine and they might be the most compact team in Nescac and that is saying alot. Sometimes I would get frustrated with them the past few years by dropping SO DEEP after taking 1-0 leads but it is what it is.

-Everything you said about Tufts is correct. Again I will re-iterate how young they will be next year. They will be fun to watch and see how Shapiro plays his hand next year, especially in the beginning of the season.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on June 20, 2016, 12:55:57 pm
Just found out that MIT's Austin Freel, whom just graduated but was an NSCAA All-New England player and Academic All-American during his time with the Engineers, was one of the two creators of Facebook's "Pride" (http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesky/technology/ct-rainbow-facebook-photos-activism-20150702-story.html) filter in support of the LGBTQ+ community that has been seemingly ubiquitous in the last year.

In no way is this post intended to spark a political discussion — instead, I'm simply saying that I think that it's pretty interesting to think that a D3 soccer player was the (co-)creator of something that many of us have seen.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on July 09, 2016, 08:47:15 am
ECSU with a pretty tough schedule this year!!
http://gowarriorathletics.com/sports/msoc/2016-17/schedule
Hopefully they had a good recruiting year!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: amh63 on July 13, 2016, 05:32:43 pm
ECSUalum...hope you have been having a nice Summer to date.  Any insight why Amherst was not on the schedule?  Understand Trinity and Conn being on it wrt CT Nescac schools.  Based on our school's history in other sports, Amherst should be picked over Williams! :). Understand Wesleyan over Amherst.  Me think it is the scare your MBB team gave Amherst that the soccer coach avoided your Warriors.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on July 13, 2016, 08:31:57 pm
ECSUalum...hope you have been having a nice Summer to date.  Any insight why Amherst was not on the schedule?  Understand Trinity and Conn being on it wrt CT Nescac schools.  Based on our school's history in other sports, Amherst should be picked over Williams! :). Understand Wesleyan over Amherst.  Me think it is the scare your MBB team gave Amherst that the soccer coach avoided your Warriors.
Ha Ha amh63  We are having a nice summer, besides doing Meals on Wheels, we decided to volunteer at Bethel Woods Center for the Arts, (site of the 1969 Woodstock Music and Arts Fair), in Bethel NY this year!!  Its a wonderful place that now has a Museum dedicated to the Festival, the Vietnam War and the 60's and is a great venue for concerts!!
I really like that the Warrior coaches have the NESCAC schools on the various sports schedules.  It gives the teams a chance to hone their skills vs some of the best in D-III sports.  Surprised that Amherst, (what did they decide on the new name to replace the LFs?), is not on the soccer schedule , as you know, they  routinely show up on ECSU Baseball and Basketball schedules.  I see, (D3 Soccer Mens Recruiting Classes), Coach DeVito recruited a top midfielder named George Spanos, (Waterford, CT Waterford CT H.S. Club: Oakwood SC).   Assuming he enrolls, he should be a good addition to the team.  They will need more scoring punch this year if they want to be successful vs UMass Boston, with all their foreign players.
Hope your summer is proving enjoyable as well!!  BTW, ECSU dedicated their new Fine Arts Instructional Center this spring.  I had a chance to say hello to  Richard.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: amh63 on July 14, 2016, 01:20:43 pm
ECSUalum....hope Richard and your Prez are well.  The new center is quite impressive....I saw it online awhile back.
WRT the new "mascot "....a committee of alums, students and staff are pondering the chore as it has stirred up alums a bit including myself.
With respect to Woodstock....my brother in law " attended" the event in Bethel NY. :). My best man who now lives near Chapel Hill NC .....moved from East Lyme CT last year...has an older sister that lives in Woodstock, NY.  She had a room in her house for Bob Dylan...aka Zimmerman.  Her husband was the manager of many singers of that era...Ian & Silvia, Peter, Paul, & Mary, Janis Joplin, etc. Will chat with him about Bethel Woods for the Arts.
On a more personal note, my youngest son and his wife just recently moved to Patterson NY from Brooklyn Heights, NY.  They shop in near by Danbury, Ct.  Gives me an option to catch an ECSU vs WCSU MBB game.  Since my wife is from Easton, Ct....it could be a family event ;D
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on July 14, 2016, 03:32:45 pm
amh63,
I am pretty sure Amherst plays Eastern MBB in Willi this year.  If so let me know if your in the area, I'll buy you a home brew at Willimantic Brewery!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on July 14, 2016, 06:56:27 pm
Serpone would never schedule ECONN...DeVito would play them in a heartbeat...
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on July 15, 2016, 10:20:57 am
Serpone would never schedule ECONN...DeVito would play them in a heartbeat...
Why do you suppose he scheduled RIC?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on July 18, 2016, 12:52:48 pm
Serpone would never schedule ECONN...DeVito would play them in a heartbeat...
Why do you suppose he scheduled RIC?



Amherst has played RIC in the past during Serpone's tenure and have handled them with relative ease. RIC has historically been an average team that has a history of being average athletically but usually an undisciplined mess. They usually do not sit in 10 deep and will play their opponents straight up in a 4-4-2.  ECONN has no problem sitting 10 deep against better competition and are a much better coached side than RIC. So basically it is much less of a risk to play them.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on July 20, 2016, 10:51:58 am
Mr R.  Thanks, Looking forward to more of your keen insights on D-III Soccer this year!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: amh63 on July 20, 2016, 04:57:16 pm
Amherst graduated an all-American GK that was a 4- year starter in Bull.  There is a new GK for this season.  RIC is a " better" team to check out new GKs in the first game of the season than a stronger ECSU team. ;D.....see I told you ECSUalum.  Amherst has two conference games following in the early part of the schedule.
See that the Wiilimantic Brewery is in the Old post office building!  Maybe a bucket list candidate.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on July 21, 2016, 08:58:53 pm

See that the Wiilimantic Brewery is in the Old post office building!  Maybe a bucket list candidate.
The beer is very good as well.  The owner also schedules Beer and Beer and Wine dinners, pairing wines and the home brews with excellent dishes by the restaurant's superb chef!!




Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on August 09, 2016, 11:21:06 am
http://www.beaconsathletics.com/sports/m-soccer/2015-16/releases/20160727mcf6z3
http://www.beaconsathletics.com/sports/m-soccer/2016-17/releases/20160715luyvly
UMass Boston looks to have graduated high scorer Pedro DaSilva, (Goals, Points 15,34); Elton Teixeira 8,24, and Goalkeeper Alfonso Rosales, 0.88 GAA, but returns So Forward playmaker Mohammed Kenaway 9,25; Sr Forward Edmilson Barros 9, 23, So Midfielder Guilherme Barbosa 7, 16; and So Midfielder Denis Martinez.
I think the 2016 team could be even better than last years team, especially if they play a more disciplined team approach, maintain their Excellent defense and can reload a good GK.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on August 16, 2016, 05:07:23 pm
Season predictions

LEC
1.  UMass-Boston 
2.  ECSU
3.  UMass-Dartmouth
4.  Rhode Island
5.  Plymouth St.
6.  Western Conn
7.  Keene St
8.  Southern Maine

NEWMAC
1.  Wheaton - best in class of a down year in the NEWMAC
2.  Babson - less quality depth returning than in recent years
3.  Springfield - play ugly soccer but have some athletes
4.  MIT - lose four starters including two most dynamic offensive players
5.  WPI  - lose two leading scorers from an offensively challenged side
6.  Coast Guard - they play hard and are ultra-fit
7.  Clark - thankful to have Emerson in the conference
8.  Emerson - have never won a NEWMAC game

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on August 16, 2016, 06:43:42 pm
CCC
1.  Gordon
2.  Western New England
3.  Endicott - lose 60% of their offense to graduation
4.  Wentworth - started eight Fr and Soph last year
5.  Roger Williams
6.  Nichols
7.  Salve Regina
8.  Curry
9.  U of NE
10. Eastern Nazarene
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on August 19, 2016, 09:55:45 pm
Eastern Connecticut State University's 2015/16 men's soccer roster posted today:
http://gowarriorathletics.com/sports/msoc/2016-17/roster
6ft 1 in Fr MF George Spanos (Waterford HS) was listed in d3soccer 2016 recruits
6 ft 0 in So MF Kuba Kazmierczak (New Britain HS) is transfer from U of Hartford
5' 9" Fr Midfielder Dimitrios Dalardha is a transfer from Loyola Univ. MD but did not play
Need to research the rest of the freshmen.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on August 27, 2016, 01:27:32 pm
Season predictions

NEWMAC   (Revised)
1.  Babson - two projected starters for Wheaton have apparently transferred to Babson (O'Rourke and Fromhein) shoring up Babson's midfiled depth issues.  Will need freshman forwards to make an impact.
2.  Wheaton - transfers tip the scale to Babson
3.  Springfield - play ugly soccer but have some athletes
4.  MIT - lose four starters including two most dynamic offensive players
5.  WPI  - lose two leading scorers from an offensively challenged side
6.  Coast Guard - they play hard and are ultra-fit
7.  Clark - thankful to have Emerson in the conference
8.  Emerson - have never won a NEWMAC game
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on August 30, 2016, 01:11:44 pm
Umass Boston picked as #1 Team in LEC Preseason Poll:
http://www.littleeast.com/sports/msoc/2016-17/releases/20160830_MSOC-PreseasonPoll
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on August 30, 2016, 03:35:38 pm
More shocking is Keens St picked to finish 3rd to bottom. This was once a storied program and a top New England contender. I am not sure what has happened the past 5-6 years but I do not think it was Ron Butcher retiring as his final 3 years were not very good either.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on August 30, 2016, 04:33:26 pm
Keene St lost 7 of their last 9 games last fall.  Their current roster of 26 has 11 freshmen, 7 Sophs, 6 Juniors and only 1 Senior.  This season looks like a rebuilding year at best.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on August 30, 2016, 05:02:16 pm
7 of 11 UMB 2016 freshman recruits from overseas, ie Cape Verde Isl, Brazil, Netherlands, etc
http://www.beaconsathletics.com/sports/m-soccer/2016-17/roster
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on August 31, 2016, 05:11:08 pm
Here is ECSU Sports Information Staff Greg Hyman's report on Eastern Mens Soccer for 2016:
http://gowarriorathletics.com/sports/msoc/2016-17/releases/msoc_preview-2016
Key word for the 2016 Warriors will be depth!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 01, 2016, 01:28:56 pm
Interesting that Western Conn made longtime successful Women's Head Coach Joe Mingachos as its Men's Coach. He took WCONN's womens soccer to great heights including a NCAA Final 4. He has the pedigree to really turn the Men's program around. It will be interesting to follow and they are playing a decent out of conference schedule as well with Trinity(CT), Union, Vassar and Springfield on the docket along with league games against UMASS Boston and Eastern Conn.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 01, 2016, 04:32:15 pm
Babson goes 1-0 up on ECONN. Beavers much stronger in the opening stages, but the visitors had some decent chances before Babson struck first.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 01, 2016, 04:59:42 pm
Babson goes 1-0 up on ECONN. Beavers much stronger in the opening stages, but the visitors had some decent chances before Babson struck first.
Yeah Blooter,  a lot of ECSU freshmen and upperclassmen playing kickball, while Babson technically sound with possession. Goal on mistake by Eastern D!!  Also frustrating as Babson must have a freshman handling the camera work, with camera pointed else where vs on the ball a lot of the time, as well as a lot of blind spots on the field!! ??? :o  Very disappointed!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 01, 2016, 05:32:36 pm
Yeah Blooter,  a lot of ECSU freshmen and upperclassmen playing kickball, while Babson technically sound with possession. Goal on mistake by Eastern D!!  Also frustrating as Babson must have a freshman handling the camera work, with camera pointed else where vs on the ball a lot of the time, as well as a lot of blind spots on the field!! ??? :o  Very disappointed!

It certainly hasn't been great, that's for sure! I did see that ECSU knotted things up, but missed the goal. Could be huge for momentum given that it was at the start of the second half. Eastern has hit the wall twice from direct kicks, those free attempts have been poor.

Update: Really poor camera work. A near-shot for ECSU that went wide was completely missed!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 01, 2016, 05:57:40 pm
Yeah Blooter,  a lot of ECSU freshmen and upperclassmen playing kickball, while Babson technically sound with possession. Goal on mistake by Eastern D!!  Also frustrating as Babson must have a freshman handling the camera work, with camera pointed else where vs on the ball a lot of the time, as well as a lot of blind spots on the field!! ??? :o  Very disappointed!

It certainly hasn't been great, that's for sure! I did see that ECSU knotted things up, but missed the goal. Could be huge for momentum given that it was at the start of the second half. Eastern has hit the wall twice from direct kicks, those free attempts have been poor.

Update: Really poor camera work. A near-shot for ECSU that went wide was completely missed!

2-1 Babson in 88th min on another ECSU goof in the back.  Too many poor passes into turnovers by Eastern giving Babson too many chances.  ECSU missing their all LEC defenseman Cooper D'Ambrosio.  Babson the superior technicians and deserved the win!!

PS I realized yesterday that ECSU second leading scorer Tyler Jones is a no show this year   Another key player that does not return after a bunch in previous 2 years!!  DeVito ??? ???
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 02, 2016, 09:52:12 am
From UMB Athletics: BRISTOL, R.I.—Freshman Ocane Williamson (Spanish Town, Jamaica) and junior Marcelo Cunha (Goiania, Brazil) each scored to lead UMass Boston men's soccer to a 2-0 shutout of host Roger Williams University in Thursday night's season opener.
Ocane Wiliamson 6'3" 200lb freshman! BTW he is considerably older than most freshman.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 02, 2016, 12:11:55 pm
From UMB Athletics: BRISTOL, R.I.—Freshman Ocane Williamson (Spanish Town, Jamaica) and junior Marcelo Cunha (Goiania, Brazil) each scored to lead UMass Boston men's soccer to a 2-0 shutout of host Roger Williams University in Thursday night's season opener.
Ocane Wiliamson 6'3" 200lb freshman! BTW he is considerably older than most freshman.



We all knew this was a talented bunch and will be in the NCAA's IMO again this year and possibly make some noise. They have a good non-conference schedule. Let's see if they can remain focused and keep their heads on straight this year. Last year they would self destruct in some games
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on September 03, 2016, 11:43:35 am
UMass-Boston looking good. Easily handling a pretty good Wentworth squad. Skilled at all positions. Maybe last year's relative success and experience are going to yield a more mature team. Definitely one to watch.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 03, 2016, 03:05:41 pm
Brandeis 3-1 up on John Carroll after the visitors equalized. Surprisingly, all four goals have come from set pieces.

Elsewhere, Babson fell to Rutgers-Newark 3-2. Perhaps some consolation is that they scored two goals for the second straight game, but as good as R-N is it's never good to give up 3 goals at home.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 03, 2016, 06:56:50 pm
UMass-Boston looking good. Easily handling a pretty good Wentworth squad. Skilled at all positions. Maybe last year's relative success and experience are going to yield a more mature team. Definitely one to watch.

Agreed, They looked excellent, however I did not se Mohammed Kenaway on the pitch today.  Wonder if you has fitness issues!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Ommadawn on September 03, 2016, 07:00:52 pm
Agreed, They looked excellent, however I did not se Mohammed Kenaway on the pitch today.  Wonder if you has fitness issues!

He has a long history of battling back from injury.  I know he had a successful PDL season this summer, but haven't heard anything of his current status.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan20 on September 03, 2016, 10:04:11 pm
Supposedly Kenawy hasn't been at any scrimmages, games... interesting... on another note UMB's Jamaican forward is the real deal... he is also a freshman born in 1988... yes you read that right.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: rudy on September 04, 2016, 12:11:33 pm
Anyone going to the Brandeis game today? That should be a telling game for both sides
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 04, 2016, 03:53:34 pm
Anyone going to the Brandeis game today? That should be a telling game for both sides

I am. I think Haverford has the slight edge but home field could be beneficial for Brandeis. I'd say a score draw is possible, although if one team is to win it I'd think it'd be Haverford.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 04, 2016, 04:07:36 pm
Just a pathetic performance by Eastern in Mahwah NJ this afternoon vs Ramapo College.  DeVito better teach his players how to string three passes together and shore up the porous defense or it is going to be a long season for this team :-[ All they seem to know how to do is kick the ball up field.  They beat Ramapo 4-0 last year and this year was dominated by them!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on September 04, 2016, 06:43:19 pm
Nice response from Wheaton (MA) after opening day loss to Wentworth, picking up a pair of wins against two NJAC foes.  Babson goes in the other direction, losing a pair to the NJAC.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 07, 2016, 07:49:25 pm
If this first half is any indication, MIT may struggle for goals this year. Won Saturday 1-0 at Stevens but now drawing at home 0-0 with Newbury at half. (Yes, you read that correctly Mr.Right.)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on September 07, 2016, 09:01:52 pm
Player for RIC who scored on a PK versus Amherst is a Revs academy product who apparently has been at several different schools (and divisions) and must be 24-25 years old.  UMass-Dartmouth has a similar player, who actually used to play at RIC.  So we've got a star player at Trinity (CT) deciding enough is enough, and then some who will move around and drain every ounce of eligibility even at the D3 level.

Amherst of course racked up 3 yellows and 18 fouls in the first 70 minutes.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 07, 2016, 09:28:48 pm
Newbury 1, MIT 0.

No, that's not a typo! I thought that Endicott over Tufts last night was perhaps the biggest upset in the New England region so far this year, but this may well have eclipsed it. Did not see that coming at all.

Honestly, I half-expected it to be 4-0 by the time I got there towards the end of the first half. However, MIT, while dominating play, looked incredibly disjointed and seemed to mess up the fundamentals. Newbury put together a couple of solid moves, but they seemed to resemble a side that my intramural team would have been competitive with. Regardless, I was very surprised that they got into half level, but I was certain that MIT - the same team who beat them 7-0 last year - would win going away in the second half.

Second half comes, and MIT did look the superior side, but aside from a couple of shots they didn't manage to generate any great looks. What's more, Newbury wasn't parking the bus: they weren't necessarily trying to attack all-out, either, but they played a direct style that seemed to work for them, and started to retain possession better than in the first half. MIT, meanwhile, looked sloppier and sloppier as the game went on. Whether it was due to the wet turf or not, I don't know, but I had a hard time believing that this was the same team that beat Stevens away on Saturday.

12 minutes left, and Newbury puts in a nice ball from the right flank. Kid gets a head on it 6 yards out, seems ticketed for the net, the MIT goalkeeper makes a great diving save. Ball was loose, Newbury kid sent it towards an empty net, MIT defender hacks it off the line. 'Wow, Newbury almost stole it,' I thought.

While it might sound like I was perhaps underestimating Newbury, who did post a winning record last year, this is the same team that lost 7-0 to MIT last year. (Both team's 2014-15 schedules incorrectly show the final result that year as a 1-0 Newbury away win, but a look at the box score and recap shows that it was in fact a 1-1 draw.) Regardless, Newbury had a losing record every year between 2008 and 2014, and I know that Brandeis - mind you, pre-NCAA caliber Brandeis - beat them 13-0 in 2010, so you might understand my shock that Newbury had almost scored.

Regardless, a minute later, Newbury gets a free kick around 25 yards out, central. Kid hits a great shot, over the wall, into the left corner. Goalkeeper had no chance. And Newbury held out for the rest of the game, limiting MIT to half-chances. What an upset.

The thing that was crazy to me is that it wasn't like MIT was foiled by a fantastic goalkeeper - although Newbury's GK did play well - or hit the post 20 times. Sure, they outshot Newbury, but most of those were half-chances, and the couple of clear chances that they did get they completely blew. In one instance, an MIT player dribbled around the GK and put it wide. Even losing players like Sean Bingham, Austin Freel, and Jake Amereno, I thought that MIT would still put forth a good showing tonight like they did by winning at Stevens on Saturday. However, I was appalled at how out of sorts they were.

Hey, every team will have a bad game every once in a while, and perhaps lose even when they should win. However, I didn't think that it would be this game of all games for MIT. Even so, Newbury played hard, they have a couple of kids who can play, is now 4-0 on the year, and fully earned the win.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 07, 2016, 09:52:57 pm
What an absolute disaster. We all and I mean ALL figured MIT would struggle this year with the players they lost not to mention Singleton recruits starting to graduate but a 1-0 home loss to Newbury is bad. What makes the whole MIT situation even more stomach churning is the Stevens result. Futbol can be a strange game but that is why we all love it. It is interesting how wind and downpour rain can really keep weaker teams in games they have no business being in....Good report Bloots and good to see we have a trusted hand and someone finally giving us Northeast breakdowns every week. +1




















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Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 07, 2016, 10:49:40 pm
What an absolute disaster. We all and I mean ALL figured MIT would struggle this year with the players they lost not to mention Singleton recruits starting to graduate but a 1-0 home loss to Newbury is bad. What makes the whole MIT situation even more stomach churning is the Stevens result. Futbol can be a strange game but that is why we all love it. It is interesting how wind and downpour rain can really keep weaker teams in games they have no business being in....Good report Bloots and good to see we have a trusted hand and someone finally giving us Northeast breakdowns every week. +1

Cheers Mr.Right, and I suppose you might have figured out that Blooter's Beliefs is now Nor'easter News on D3soccer.com. :)

Anyway, what really puzzled me about the whole MIT thing was the Engineers' tactics. They were playing a 4-2-3-1 tonight, only going to 4-4-2 at the end when they were down. I know Bovell is a relatively defensive coach, as he pretty much parked the bus against Brandeis last year - although MIT did perhaps deserve to win that game - but that was a match-up of two nationally-ranked teams; this was a game where, had they attacked well, I think MIT would have won going away. Part of it was that MIT just did not play well, but I found myself scratching my head at the way the hosts were lining up.

Of course, a 4-2-3-1 can be somewhat attacking if played well, and a lot of teams do play it, but it is mainly a defensive lineup in my experience and is usually used in competitive games where the teams are pretty evenly matched. I was rather perplexed as to why MIT was playing a defensive formation against an opponent who they should've beaten by multiple goals in my opinion. Stevens away, sure, I can get it, but Newbury home is the game for 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 methinks.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Ommadawn on September 07, 2016, 11:06:01 pm
Player for RIC who scored on a PK versus Amherst is a Revs academy product who apparently has been at several different schools (and divisions) and must be 24-25 years old.  UMass-Dartmouth has a similar player, who actually used to play at RIC.  So we've got a star player at Trinity (CT) deciding enough is enough, and then some who will move around and drain every ounce of eligibility even at the D3 level.

Your comment about Revs academy products brought to mind Dean College, which is transitioning from NJCAA to NCAA D3 and has been racking up lopsided wins so far this season.  Their current lineup features at least 4 former Revs academy players.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 10, 2016, 03:16:12 pm
I only saw the last 30 min of the second half of the ECSU-Muhlenburg College match, but it was like looking at a completely different Warrior team this afternoon!!  In the 2-0 Eastern victory, last year scoring leader Xavier Doran, who was absolutely inconsequential is the 3 previous games got on the end of some beautiful pass work by the Warrior midfield and winger Justen Jensen and struck a bomb into the top left corner from 15 yards out.  The second goal by Freshman Griffen Luczek came off a breakaway where Luczek got a head and foot on the ball, but was tripped just outside the box, no call, and then the Muhlenberg GK mishandled the ball and fell over the goal line.

Much better hustle on 50/50 balls, better pressure on the Mule midfielders, and MUCH MUCH better ball control, passing and possession today, and ECSU did not fall back into their prevent D today, but continued to put pressure on the Mulenburgh defense. Almost made it 3-0 with 5 min left.   Not sure how good the Mules are this year as I see they lost to Lebanon Valley and Scranton but beat Centenary (NJ).  If ECSU can play like today going forward, it will give me confidence that they can compete for the LEC championship.  If they play like the first 3 games it will be a lost season.

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on September 10, 2016, 04:26:30 pm
How in the world can Keene St be up 5-0 on Wheaton at the half?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 10, 2016, 05:07:06 pm
From Wellesley: Babson pulls the upset over Brandeis, 1-0 in 2OT on a PK. Judges were outshot, and defeated by Babson for the first time since 2011 (had been 4-0 against their rivals in the last 4 years - 3 wins at 'Deis, 1 at Babo.) Even if it wasn't a PK - I haven't seen the handball - the fact that they kept a shutout against an offense that had scored a number of goals against them is commendable, and while I think Brandeis will be disappointed to lose to their rivals - a big upset from the Beavers' point of view - you have to give Babson credit.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Brother Flounder on September 10, 2016, 05:18:13 pm
From Wellesley: Babson pulls the upset over Brandeis, 1-0 in 2OT on a PK. Judges were outshot, and defeated by Babson for the first time since 2011 (had been 4-0 against their rivals in the last 4 years - 3 wins at 'Deis, 1 at Babo.) Even if it wasn't a PK - I haven't seen the handball - the fact that they kept a shutout against an offense that had scored a number of goals against them is commendable, and while I think Brandeis will be disappointed to lose to their rivals - a big upset from the Beavers' point of view - you have to give Babson credit.

Yes, credit is deserved!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 10, 2016, 06:27:10 pm
Kenawy is back for the UMBoston Beacons in 3-0 win over Union today!!  Freshman Ocane Williamson (Spanish Town, Jamaica), sophomore Mohamed Kenawy (Revere, Mass.) and Edmilson Barros (Praia, Cape Verde) all scored in the win for the Beacons. Williamson also added an assist, to add to his team-leading total of 11 points.

It will be interesting to see if UMB can run their schedule!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 10, 2016, 06:47:25 pm
Attended Babson v Brandeis today.  A couple of Babson parents confirmed that they had been playing 3 in the back to date, but Babson returned to a 4-4-2 look today.  Brandeis looked very solid.  However they never seemed particularly dangerous and did certainly not play to the level of the team of the past two seasons.   The Judges will probably play a number of 1-0 games again this year.  The handball resulting in the PK looked legit.  Overall, Babson was the slightly better side, at least for today.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 10, 2016, 08:01:21 pm
Where does Brandeis practice for grass fields?

The Wheaton 6-1 loss to Keene St is a sign that Wheaton threw in the towel early and did not take Keene seriously.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 10, 2016, 09:08:47 pm
Attended Babson v Brandeis today.  A couple of Babson parents confirmed that they had been playing 3 in the back to date, but Babson returned to a 4-4-2 look today.  Brandeis looked very solid.  However they never seemed particularly dangerous and did certainly not play to the level of the team of the past two seasons.   The Judges will probably play a number of 1-0 games again this year.  The handball resulting in the PK looked legit.  Overall, Babson was the slightly better side, at least for today.

Just going by the stats, it looked like Babson played Brandeis well, and while reverting to 4 at the back is being more pragmatic, it wasn't like Babson parked the bus based on the shot count. Good to know the handball at least wasn't a blatantly blown call - my view is that if it's legit, it's still rough, but at least you didn't get hosed.

Where does Brandeis practice for grass fields?

Good question, and genuinely no idea. Possibly the rugby practice field adjacent to the turf, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 13, 2016, 08:43:24 pm
Colby scores in the 79th minute to go 1-0 up at crosstown rival Thomas. Colby was upset by Thomas last year at home in OT, so this could be a slight measure of revenge.

Fantastic finish by the Colby player, banged a loose ball off a restart into the top corner.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 14, 2016, 09:21:44 pm
Four days after their rivalry match, both Babson and Brandeis tie 0-0 away to Massachusetts opponents. Brandeis to WPI, Babson to Fitchburg.

Brandeis was missing Josh Ocel, not sure why. They looked genuinely poor in the first half, couldn't get anything going, but grew into the game. No Flahive starting either, Allen was up top, and he had a couple of decent chances.

Didn't see much of the Babson game but considering the hosts were 1-2 and the 2 losses came by scores of 5-0 you have to think that Babson - especially riding the high of the grudge match win - would have had enough to get the W. They have blown hot and cold so far this season, but they won't care too much about their record as long as they have the NEWMAC tourney as a road to NCAAs.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 17, 2016, 03:06:49 pm
Eastern Connecticut pull out a 1-0 win over UMass Dartmouth on a nifty header in the box by defenseman Emmanuel Caicedo, off a free kick by JD Stearns.  BTW Caicedo has been the only solid defenseman this year and has saved ESCU from being routed this year. 
However UMD hit the woodwork at least 3 times as ECSU continues to play a very poor possession game!!  When 90% of Warrior passes either go out of bounds of to an opposing player, you will never score many goals, provide too many opportunities to the opposition, and lose matches.  Eastern was extremely luck to pull this one out.  It will be interesting when UMass Boston comes to town, (they slammed Plymouth St 5-0 today)! 

I have a feeling it is going to be a loooong season :'(
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 18, 2016, 08:59:12 pm
ECSUalum, I noticed that Derek Parker, who started last year for ECSU, is now a regular starter at Quinnipiac.   If I recall correctly, Mark Richards left last year to play at UConn.  Is this a regular thing there at ECSU?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 18, 2016, 10:26:19 pm
Projected week 2 (Sept 20) New England rankings:

1.  Amherst (3-0-1)
2.  UMass- Boston  (6-0)
3.  Middlebury (2-0-1)
4.  Williams (4-0-1)
5.  Clark (6-0)
6.  Brandeis (3-1-1)
7.  Coast Guard (5-0-1)
8.  Endicott (4-1-1)
9.  Bowdoin (3-1)
10. (tie) Conn (3-1)
10.(tie) Springfield (5-0-1)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Ommadawn on September 18, 2016, 10:56:02 pm
Although they are feasting on less-than-stellar opponents (a 5-0 win against MIT-conquering Newbury notwithstanding), Dean College is now 7-0-0 with a clean sheet for the season (48 GF, 0 GA).  The question seems to be less whether they will run the table than whether they will be scored upon.  Does anyone know to which conference, if any, they might be headed once they complete the transition to D3 from NJCAA?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 19, 2016, 06:45:22 am
Although they are feasting on less-than-stellar opponents (a 5-0 win against MIT-conquering Newbury notwithstanding), Dean College is now 7-0-0 with a clean sheet for the season (48 GF, 0 GA).  The question seems to be less whether they will run the table than whether they will be scored upon.  Does anyone know to which conference, if any, they might be headed once they complete the transition to D3 from NJCAA?



No idea but I can guarantee you they will not be able to get these JUCO type players thru admissions when they do officially join D3.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 19, 2016, 07:02:39 am
After watching a bunch of games within New England / New York, I must say there is a lack of firepower up front for a lot of teams. Teams like Colby, ECONN, Babson, RPI for example are all very organized, work very hard, defend well and can build play thru midfield but have NOTHING up front to finish. These teams will get results but are not a threat to score. After watching Babson yesterday, They are a solid side, work hard, have some creativity in midfield(that Parker kid is good and Arrojo is decent) and they play on the ground but once they hit the final 3rd they had no one to FINISH. Bloots mentioned this yesterday and I totally agree and as a coach what do you do? They still almost got out of Williamstown with a draw but Parker hit a weak PK. He showed his hips before shooting and Alcorn either read his eyes or hips. It was a bit to casual. So you have those teams who can beat anyone on the day but things must go their way and they will not generate many chances against top opposition.

Then you have the Bowdoin, Wesleyan, Wheaton, Conn teams that are similar to the ones I mentioned above although Wheaton is a bit weak defensively who have the athletes to score against better competition and some skill going forward but still are missing a serious striker. These teams will rely on their midfield for goals and in November that will get shut down.

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Sandy on September 19, 2016, 11:42:39 am
ECSU continues to play a very poor possession game!! 

That's because they don't play one. It's more of a soak pressure, play ball high and wide and whip it in for the cross with midfielders and forwards streaking in to get on the end of it type of system.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 19, 2016, 04:18:03 pm
ECSUalum, I noticed that Derek Parker, who started last year for ECSU, is now a regular starter at Quinnipiac.   If I recall correctly, Mark Richards left last year to play at UConn.  Is this a regular thing there at ECSU?
You are correct and as mentioned earlier on this thread, Tyler Jones, a big fast forward, who scored 7 goals last year did not return.  The year mark Richards left they lost Nicolas Warren to Cal Lutheran and their So GK Greg Walton (0.62 GAA) to University of Vermont. Another promising player Konnor Scarponi also left the team Do not know if or where Tyler Jones is playing, but there seems to be a trend where some excellent, (many top LEC players), come to Eastern and then leave to other schools  ???.  A bit frustrating as most these guys should have been seniors this year or last year and would have made a huge difference in ECSU's results
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on September 19, 2016, 04:25:19 pm
ECSU continues to play a very poor possession game!! 

That's because they don't play one. It's more of a soak pressure, play ball high and wide and whip it in for the cross with midfielders and forwards streaking in to get on the end of it type of system.
Yeah... so tell me something I do not already know!?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Sandy on September 19, 2016, 07:49:40 pm
ECSU continues to play a very poor possession game!! 

That's because they don't play one. It's more of a soak pressure, play ball high and wide and whip it in for the cross with midfielders and forwards streaking in to get on the end of it type of system.
Yeah... so tell me something I do not already know!?

Your posts make it seem like you expect them to keep possession when they're explicitly told not to play that way by DeVito, that's all. While it would be better if they do that, he doesn't put in the players necessary for that to happen. He'll leave more technically sound players who can keep possession and hold it up in favor of players who can run around a lot, even if it means leaving the defense exposed. It's very much a work hard and play rather than a work smart, work hard, and play type system.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 19, 2016, 07:50:53 pm
ECSU continues to play a very poor possession game!! 

That's because they don't play one. It's more of a soak pressure, play ball high and wide and whip it in for the cross with midfielders and forwards streaking in to get on the end of it type of system.
Yeah... so tell me something I do not already know!?

Your posts make it seem like you expect them to keep possession when they're explicitly told not to play that way by DeVito, that's all. While it would be better if they do that, he doesn't put in the players necessary for that to happen. He'll leave more technically sound players who can keep possession and hold it up in favor of players who can run around a lot, even if it means leaving the defense exposed. It's very much a work hard and play rather than a work smart, work hard, and play type system.


I'm sniffing a bitter parent.....
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on September 19, 2016, 09:35:33 pm
Good for Trinity but feel bad for Endicott.  I enjoy watching Endicott play, even on turf which I usually can't say.  An entertaining team.  Unfortunately they'll no doubt have to beat Gordon in the tourney final to get a bid.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 19, 2016, 09:41:17 pm
Good for Trinity but feel bad for Endicott.  I enjoy watching Endicott play, even on turf which I usually can't say.  An entertaining team.  Unfortunately they'll no doubt have to beat Gordon in the tourney final to get a bid.


I am not so sure yet. The draw at Williams and the win v Tufts certainly will come in handy in November as I believe when all is said and done both Williams and Tufts will be regionally ranked. Losing to Trinity will sting but Trinity will not be ranked in November, so the loss will not hurt them. They still have Gordon and WPI coming up and both could possibly be regionally ranked when all is said and done. They also could go clean the rest of the way as besides Gordon , WPI and Babson they have all winnable games left.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on September 19, 2016, 09:51:21 pm
Carthage will probably be regionally ranked too.  I went back to see what happened in that 4-1 loss and it is 1-1 into the 78th minute.  Stats fairly even.  Carthage has beaten some other good teams.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Sandy on September 20, 2016, 02:34:17 pm
ECSU continues to play a very poor possession game!! 

That's because they don't play one. It's more of a soak pressure, play ball high and wide and whip it in for the cross with midfielders and forwards streaking in to get on the end of it type of system.
Yeah... so tell me something I do not already know!?

Your posts make it seem like you expect them to keep possession when they're explicitly told not to play that way by DeVito, that's all. While it would be better if they do that, he doesn't put in the players necessary for that to happen. He'll leave more technically sound players who can keep possession and hold it up in favor of players who can run around a lot, even if it means leaving the defense exposed. It's very much a work hard and play rather than a work smart, work hard, and play type system.


I'm sniffing a bitter parent.....

Nah. Just a brother that happened to play for SLU, which instilled a much different, and even antithetical, play style. While fitness was important it wasn't the main thing that would get us on the field of play. I don't think I'm spouting any untruths though, especially considering I've seen them in person and have heard first hand about the instructions they're given.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 20, 2016, 03:14:18 pm
Sandy, I think you may have misinterpreted him.  I think he meant by his post that he was literally sniffing a bitter parent.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 20, 2016, 08:13:16 pm
Gordon over ECSU 1-0 in Willimantic.  ECSU only managed to get 4 shots.   

Gordon moves to 5-1-1 with a win over Tufts on their resume and the lone loss coming to Carthage (5-2, #4 in Central region).
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 21, 2016, 09:19:49 pm
Wentworth hammers MIT 5-3 in Cambridge.

Most of the talk for the CCC crown has centered around Endicott and Gordon, but the Leopards definitely have a strong case. They went up 1-0 less than 10 minutes in on a nice finish after a great save by the MIT keeper and increased it to 2-0 before half. MIT pulled one back early in the second but then Wentworth hit them on the break for 3-1. MIT scored late to make it 3-2 before Wentworth counterpunched a few minutes later. They then iced the victory with a marker for 5-2 with less than 3 minutes left. MIT got another back right after, but it was too little too late.

I wouldn't say that MIT was that inferior in terms of play, as they had an equal amount of the ball and were far more effective going forward than they were against Newbury, but Wentworth was far more clinical. MIT seemed to go back and forth between a 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 in the first half, but then went with a much more attack-minded 4-4-2 in the second. Wentworth seemed to press high, and caught MIT on the counter a few times, and finished all of their big chances, whereas MIT wasn't nearly as efficient in front of goal.

MIT seemed to have a case of Babson-itis, where they play solidly as a team and do well in the back part of the pitch (except for the 5 goals) and in the midfield but simply can't finish the moves. That's the difference between having a freshman up top and Sean Bingham up top, although Perper did make some good runs and good plays - definitely one to watch for the future.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan20 on September 26, 2016, 11:09:12 am
As a neutral and a big New England region fan what are the games to watch this week?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 26, 2016, 01:03:57 pm
As a neutral and a big New England region fan what are the games to watch this week?

Here's two in Greater Boston:

Wheaton @ Brandeis - Tuesday, 7pm: After starting 3-0, Brandeis is 0-2-1 in its last three, so needs a win and fast. Wheaton has blown hot and cold this year. Should be a good one.

Amherst @ MIT - Wednesday, 7pm: Bovell is a defensive coach and will no doubt have men behind the ball for this under-the-lights encounter. I think Amherst will roll, but MIT could well make it interesting.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Ommadawn on September 26, 2016, 01:38:19 pm
As a neutral and a big New England region fan what are the games to watch this week?

Saturday's battle of the unbeaten between Clark and Springfield may also hold some interest.  Neither team has played an overly difficult schedule so far and this game might help establish which team is "for real."
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 26, 2016, 03:06:29 pm
Two more of potential interest:

Tuesday:  Endicott @ WPI
Wednesday:  Bowdoin @ Babson
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 27, 2016, 01:24:11 pm
That is a big game for Endicott. WPI has a small chance at possible being regionally ranked in November. If Endicott wants to keep its small Pool C chances alive they must win tonight.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 27, 2016, 01:27:46 pm
Wheaton at Brandeis tonight is another interesting one. Brandeis might come out of the gates storming the field and Wheaton will have to be ready to bend and not break. Wheaton's Frosh from Brockton is a very talented player and I also like #9 Sesay. They can score against good teams the problem is they are not good defensively. It will be interesting to see what kind of formation Cushing plays tonight at Brandeis. Historically, they are usually in a 4-3-3 but maybe a 4-2-3-1 tonight to help their GK
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 27, 2016, 01:45:26 pm
Rank      School                                Prev.   W-L-T
1   Amherst College                                    1   5-0-1
2   University Of Massachusetts-Boston      2   8-0-0
3   Middlebury College                                  3   4-0-1
4   Williams College                                      4   6-1-1
5   Clark University                                       6   8-0-0
6   Gordon College                                      NR   6-1-1
7   Springfield College                                  9   7-0-1
8   Worcester Polytechnic Institute             10   6-1-1
9   Endicott College                                      5   5-2-1
10   Tufts University                                      NR   3-2-1
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on September 27, 2016, 02:58:34 pm
Comments on the 9/27 regional rankings:

I have not seen Mass-Boston play this year, but their start is reminiscent of last season when they started 10-0 until losing to Babson at home.  They were not ready for prime time and finished 16-5.   They should be 10-0 again this year when they travel to Babson on 10/4.

It would have been difficult to intentionally schedule a weaker schedule than Springfield's to date.  We will get a better idea about both Springfield and Clark when they play in Worcester Saturday.

Best of the unranked New England teams:  Brandeis, Conn, Wentworth, Bowdoin.   Would anyone pick Springfield to beat any of these teams on a neutral field?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 27, 2016, 03:41:54 pm
Comments on the 9/27 regional rankings:

I have not seen Mass-Boston play this year, but their start is reminiscent of last season when they started 10-0 until losing to Babson at home.  They were not ready for prime time and finished 16-5.   They should be 10-0 again this year when they travel to Babson on 10/4.

It would have been difficult to intentionally schedule a weaker schedule than Springfield's to date.  We will get a better idea about both Springfield and Clark when they play in Worcester Saturday.

Best of the unranked New England teams:  Brandeis, Conn, Wentworth, Bowdoin.   Would anyone pick Springfield to beat any of these teams on a neutral field?

To be fair, Babson was actually at home. But your point remains valid.

There are still four teams in the New England region with no losses. I would expect that to change within the next 10 days to 2 weeks.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 27, 2016, 07:53:59 pm
Already three games without a win - its worst stretch since 2010 - Brandeis went 1-0 down to Wheaton in the first half off a PK. However, the Judges hit the Lyons back with 2 goals in 42 seconds before tacking on a third. 3-1 at half. Obviously Wheaton isn't top 25 opposition, but they are capable of the big results.

Biggest thing besides scoring that Brandeis needs is defensive leadership, something which has been lacking since Lanahan graduated, as evidenced by the 0-2-1 stretch recently. That said, they are looking more solid at the back, so it's possible that they're starting to become more cohesive.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 27, 2016, 08:33:35 pm
That said, they are looking more solid at the back, so it's possible that they're starting to become more cohesive.

Spoke too soon - it's a 4-4 game on 70 minutes after 'Deis had a 4-1 lead in the 60th. Oy vey.

Update: Wheaton wins it in OT. That is absolute capitulation from Brandeis, who - barring a miracle - is out of contention for an NCAA bid before the end of September. Coven will be furious.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mid-Atlantic Fan on September 28, 2016, 08:24:45 am
That said, they are looking more solid at the back, so it's possible that they're starting to become more cohesive.

Spoke too soon - it's a 4-4 game on 70 minutes after 'Deis had a 4-1 lead in the 60th. Oy vey.

Update: Wheaton wins it in OT. That is absolute capitulation from Brandeis, who - barring a miracle - is out of contention for an NCAA bid before the end of September. Coven will be furious.

 :o
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 28, 2016, 09:26:03 am
Tufts still has to play Amherst and Williams (at home) and Middlebury and Bowdoin (away). If they were to go clean in that slate (even 2-0-2) then I think they'd be in decent shape for an at-large, but that might be a stretch given that Wesleyan, Gordon, Endicott, etc. are - and maybe Bowdoin is an exception - not near those team's levels. Should they lose one, even two, of those games, I think they're pretty much done as far as NCAAs are concerned, barring a win in the NESCAC tournament.

Looking at the goal last night, it was a fantastic ball in from Gruner, but Greenwood's set piece issues were once again evident - he didn't come for the ball until the shot was already going by him. To be fair to him, it was put into a tough place, but I think he would have saved the shot if he'd stayed on his line.

Brandeis is pretty much toast as far as I'm concerned. They have yet to play any conference games, and there are a number of UAA teams with superior records (including Chicago and WashU who are both perfect). And the fact that their conference championship is determined by a league table and not by a postseason tournament eliminates the possibility of them doing, for example, what Babson did last year by losing 6 games in the regular season and snagging an NCAA bid. Losing one OT game, I can understand, but when you lose three - one in the last minute of 2OT - then it's evident that there are issues with defensive leadership - mainly that not everyone is on the same page.

Excited for Amherst-MIT tonight - mainly because it's around the corner. I think the Jeffs will roll.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 28, 2016, 11:25:08 am
I was watching a little of the Brandeis / Wheaton game but I went to Tufts / Wesleyan after Brandeis went up  4-1. I am utterly confused...How did Wheaton get 3 goals in 10 minutes? I mean they did not have that many chances in the 1st Half let alone 10 minutes...
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 28, 2016, 01:11:45 pm
My upset special in this region tonight is Bridgewater St getting a draw v UMASS Boston tonight. I have not seen UMASS Boston yet either this year but Bridgewater can be a tough mid-week road game at night.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 28, 2016, 01:13:33 pm
University of New England does not have the players but if you watch them their coach tries to instill a positive influence of playing good futbol. They play on the ground, sometimes to a fault as their backs give the ball away alot but it is a pleasure to watch. They got a draw v Bates so let's see if they can spring an upset on Clark tonight.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on September 28, 2016, 01:21:49 pm
Tufts still has to play Amherst and Williams (at home) and Middlebury and Bowdoin (away). If they were to go clean in that slate (even 2-0-2) then I think they'd be in decent shape for an at-large, but that might be a stretch given that Wesleyan, Gordon, Endicott, etc. are - and maybe Bowdoin is an exception - not near those team's levels. Should they lose one, even two, of those games, I think they're pretty much done as far as NCAAs are concerned, barring a win in the NESCAC tournament.

Looking at the goal last night, it was a fantastic ball in from Gruner, but Greenwood's set piece issues were once again evident - he didn't come for the ball until the shot was already going by him. To be fair to him, it was put into a tough place, but I think he would have saved the shot if he'd stayed on his line.

Brandeis is pretty much toast as far as I'm concerned. They have yet to play any conference games, and there are a number of UAA teams with superior records (including Chicago and WashU who are both perfect). And the fact that their conference championship is determined by a league table and not by a postseason tournament eliminates the possibility of them doing, for example, what Babson did last year by losing 6 games in the regular season and snagging an NCAA bid. Losing one OT game, I can understand, but when you lose three - one in the last minute of 2OT - then it's evident that there are issues with defensive leadership - mainly that not everyone is on the same page.

Excited for Amherst-MIT tonight - mainly because it's around the corner. I think the Jeffs will roll.


Remember Bloots that the committee loves to look at teams that have played a ton of regionally ranked teams. Brandeis by Novermber might have 10-11 games against Regionally ranked teams and losses to unranked teams are better than losses to ranked ones. Brandeis still has a realistic shot at a Pool C because of the Haverford win. However, they must beat some of these ranked and unbeaten UAA teams that are coming up on their schedule. A 9-10 win Brandeis side has a chance to get a Pool C as long as they can defeat the Chicago's, Wash U, Rochester's etc. I believe they can do this or at least get some draws against them starting this weekend at Carnegie Mellon. They have Chicago, Wash U and Rochester all at home this season. That might prove the difference.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 28, 2016, 03:00:56 pm
Remember Bloots that the committee loves to look at teams that have played a ton of regionally ranked teams. Brandeis by Novermber might have 10-11 games against Regionally ranked teams and losses to unranked teams are better than losses to ranked ones. Brandeis still has a realistic shot at a Pool C because of the Haverford win. However, they must beat some of these ranked and unbeaten UAA teams that are coming up on their schedule. A 9-10 win Brandeis side has a chance to get a Pool C as long as they can defeat the Chicago's, Wash U, Rochester's etc. I believe they can do this or at least get some draws against them starting this weekend at Carnegie Mellon. They have Chicago, Wash U and Rochester all at home this season. That might prove the difference.

Certainly valid - the committee definitely focuses on regionally ranked opponents, and for that reason the Haverford win could be big (as well as the fact that, of the teams they've lost to, Tufts is likely to be the only one that could be regionally ranked. Chicago and WashU are actually away, but you are correct that Rochester is home. I think Chicago will win the UAA, but then again I thought Brandeis would win it in 2014 (Chicago won) and Chicago would win it in 2015 (Brandeis won), so you never know.

Bottom line: If they were to go, say, 9-1-1 through the regular season and finish 12-4-2, then they'd look pretty good for a Pool C. However, for that to happen, they'd have to beat ranked/unbeaten UAA teams which - given that they've dropped points against WPI, Wheaton, and Babson - doesn't appear to be likely. The issues Brandeis is having are obviously related to defense and composure, and while I can see past a one-game hiccup, as I thought Babson might have been, the fact that they've lost 3 times in 4 games - all in OT - makes me think that these issues will be tough to get rid of.

I was watching a little of the Brandeis / Wheaton game but I went to Tufts / Wesleyan after Brandeis went up  4-1. I am utterly confused...How did Wheaton get 3 goals in 10 minutes? I mean they did not have that many chances in the 1st Half let alone 10 minutes...

I actually didn't see any of the goals that got them from 4-1 to 4-4, but 4-2 was an own goal, the second a cross, and the third a shot that rolled over the line. I did hear the audio, though, of Margolis telling them not to get complacent after Wheaton made it 4-2, but evidently that warning went unheeded.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 28, 2016, 05:14:05 pm
Babson and Bowdoin at 1-1. Babson scored first with about 22 mins left through Villari after Bowdoin failed to clear its lines; Bowdoin tied it 4 minutes later. A minute or so after scoring the goal, Villari hit the bar off a free kick before Bowdoin equalized through Dias Costa. Finely poised. Babson looking a bit more threatening but Bowdoin has pegged them back.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on September 28, 2016, 06:02:39 pm
Babson-Bowdoin finishes 1-1. A decent result on the road for Bowdoin, as Babson slightly edged it in terms of overall play, but I don't think Babson will be particularly unhappy with the result.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 04, 2016, 10:27:05 am
Big game today for UMASS Boston at Babson. Babson can play free flow if they want as their Pool C chances are done but UMASS Boston needs a result and frankly if they run the table they will be hosting a NCAA pod with a decent matchup or 2. I have not seen them play yet this year so I am interested in seeing how they have changed or if they have changed from last year. Curious to see that they are going to Babson again in year 2 of this fixture as usually you do a Home and Away. either way a win here would really boost UMASS Boston confidence and a loss will prove to the doubters that they haven't really played anyone yet. Babson has been playing better of late and their midfield is their strong suit. Watch to see who controls midfield today and you will find the winner of this game
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan20 on October 04, 2016, 02:11:58 pm
Watched Endicott v Nichols yesterday.... huge huge loss for the Gulls. One of their defenders received a red card at the beginning of the second half on a very iffy call. Set the tone and they couldn't stay compact for 42 minutes. Weinstein made 3 stellar saves to keep them in it but the Gulls just don't seem to have the offensive production. Also, I noticed their All American CB Ocko has been out the majority of the season. This loss surely kills any chance of a pool C bid. Still think they have an outside shot at CCC title but will be tough to beat Gordon and even Wentworth.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 04, 2016, 03:38:47 pm
A few minutes in and UMASS-Boston already has a shot cleared off the line. UMB looking faster and more sharp than Babson. Beavers well and truly on the back foot.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 04, 2016, 04:01:29 pm
I spoke too soon - after being dominated for the first 20-25 minutes, Babson gets a goal on the counter with its first shot. Let's see how UMASS-Boston responds: do they capitulate like last year, or do they rebound?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 04, 2016, 04:12:28 pm
NEW ENGLAND rankings 10/4/16
1   U Massachusetts-Boston          10-0-0
2   Middlebury College                      5-0-2
3   Amherst College                          7-1-1
4   Gordon College                            7-1-1
5   Springfield College                       9-0-1
6   Williams College                           6-2-1
7   Connecticut College                     6-2-0
8   Clark University                            9-1-0
9   Endicott College                           5-2-2
10   Tufts University                            4-3-2

Best of the rest (in no particular order):  Bowdoin (5-2-2), WPI (7-1-2), Coast Guard (7-2-1), Babson (5-4-2), Wentworth (7-2-3)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 04, 2016, 04:39:52 pm
Urgency is good, but UMB is just whacking at balls and hoping they go in. They are better than Babson in terms of skill, speed, and possession, but the Beavers have shown more composure, even if they were on the back foot to start with.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on October 04, 2016, 04:46:33 pm
NEW ENGLAND rankings 10/4/16
1   U Massachusetts-Boston          10-0-0
2   Middlebury College                      5-0-2
3   Amherst College                          7-1-1
4   Gordon College                            7-1-1
5   Springfield College                       9-0-1
6   Williams College                           6-2-1
7   Connecticut College                     6-2-0
8   Clark University                            9-1-0
9   Endicott College                           5-2-2
10   Tufts University                            4-3-2

Best of the rest (in no particular order):  Bowdoin (5-2-2), WPI (7-1-2), Coast Guard (7-2-1), Babson (5-4-2), Wentworth (7-2-3)

Conn obviously too low in this ranking . . .
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 04, 2016, 05:10:08 pm
UMASS-Boston really has no composure. It may get them by lesser opponents but Babson has just been sitting in and inviting them to break them down and despite having chance after chance they have not had enough composure to do so. Make no mistake, Babson has played well, but they are not an Amherst/Williams/etc. and have lost three times at home this year. I thought UMB looked much more dynamic this year and overall better but just like last year's game they lost their heads once again the second they went down 1-0.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 04, 2016, 05:11:31 pm
Just as I say that, UMB ties it 1-1 on an indirect kick. Great shot, absolute blast that zoomed by the 'keeper.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 04, 2016, 05:46:58 pm
1-1 is the final. A result that both teams will likely be happy with: Babson gets a key result against a ranked opponent, while UMASS-Boston (partially) laid their Babson demons of last year to rest. Despite being outshot, Babson had several chances to go 2-0 up, and if it wasn't for the indirect kick UMB didn't look like scoring, so perhaps they'll be a bit disappointed in conceding an equalizer in the 84th minute. Either way, a good, competitive game that lived up to billing.

Side note: Babson's pitch looked awful from the feed.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 05, 2016, 09:40:16 pm
Brandeis gets its first win in a month, 2-1 at MIT. Judges went 1-0 up in the 7th minute on a goal from Jastremski - I was in the same place (and the shot was on the same goal) as Amherst's goal last week, and from my view it did appear as if he was possibly offsides, but no call. MIT tied it through Itani on a rebound after set piece shortly later. MIT was slightly the stronger in the first half without creating anything significant.

MIT kid put a really nice volley in the net midway through the second half, but the goal was waved back for offsides. Judges got a PK with 13 minutes later, definite pen, frosh GK Hoffer made a nice save on Jastremski's blast, but the player put it at a nice height, although it did have some good power. Then with 47 seconds left Flahive put in a really nice blast from 25 yards out, caught it really well, 2-1 and game. It did appear that Hoffer may have been beaten near post but the shot was very well struck so I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Judges bossed the second half for the most part and deserved the win IMHO, although it was a well-contested and competitive game. It remains to be seen if the Judges will take some confidence from this, their first win since starting the year 3-0.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 06, 2016, 11:54:06 pm
1-1 is the final. A result that both teams will likely be happy with: Babson gets a key result against a ranked opponent, while UMASS-Boston (partially) laid their Babson demons of last year to rest. Despite being outshot, Babson had several chances to go 2-0 up, and if it wasn't for the indirect kick UMB didn't look like scoring, so perhaps they'll be a bit disappointed in conceding an equalizer in the 84th minute. Either way, a good, competitive game that lived up to billing.

Side note: Babson's pitch looked awful from the feed.


I did not catch the game Bloots but the Shots and SOG and Corner stats really SURPRISED me. Based on the box score which I know is not easy to judge how the game really was but based on the box score I was shocked that UMASS Boston DOMINATED Babson all over the field in stats. I am going to watch on Saturday them play UMASS Dartmouth so I can see for my own eyes what they have this year. 7pm start
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 07, 2016, 01:38:05 pm
I did not catch the game Bloots but the Shots and SOG and Corner stats really SURPRISED me. Based on the box score which I know is not easy to judge how the game really was but based on the box score I was shocked that UMASS Boston DOMINATED Babson all over the field in stats. I am going to watch on Saturday them play UMASS Dartmouth so I can see for my own eyes what they have this year. 7pm start

Yeah UMB was all over Babson especially when pushing for the equalizer. The one thing that Babson had was composure and they scored with their first shot; UMB already had 9 by that point - 1 hit the bar and 1 was hacked off the line. Babson also had some periods where they had the ball and put some pressure on but UMB started to throw everything and they deserved the tie. Didn't see the foul which gave them the indirect which they scored from, it was in the box so I am guessing a backpass? Either way I think UMASS-Boston is better than last year, will be fun to see them play at MIT on the 19th.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 08, 2016, 01:52:22 pm
Wheaton up 3-0 at half over MIT. Apart from a couple of chances for MIT, Wheaton has been totally dominant. They have a few kids who can really play: Sesay is a big, physical striker who is quick too. Defense hasn't really been tested so can't tell if they've improved since losing 6-1 at Keene State, so should be a good second half.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 08, 2016, 01:54:33 pm
I like their #9 Frosh up top for Wheaton. They need a win bad for Newmac purposes and it looks like they will get one.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 08, 2016, 07:58:04 pm
0-0 Umass Boston v Umass Dartmouth....This game is pleasure to watch. Some nice skill from both team really, chippy as usual, and just some great flair on the field. I am just waiting for this ref to lose control and a fight to break out...
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 08, 2016, 08:04:56 pm
1-0 Umass Boston on a left-footed RIP from 6'3 Frosh Williamson from Jamaica. He is a beast in the middle of the field, looks a tad over weight but what a strike.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 08, 2016, 08:51:08 pm
28 year old true Frosh Williamsom nets his 2nd goal and UMASS Boston up 2-0 on UMASS Dartmouth. 2nd Half has been sloppily played by both teams. UMASS Boston backs are very fast and skilled but not the mist physical and that could be a problem in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 08, 2016, 08:57:26 pm
UMASS Dartmouth snags one back off a set piece header. GK needed to make that save...2-1 UMASS Boston
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 08, 2016, 09:00:40 pm
Chaos finally erupts on the field as predicted the ref has lost control. UMASS Boston Williamson took his huge elbow and whacked a Dartnouth player in the mouth. Complete chaos on the field..Gotta love it
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 08, 2016, 09:13:55 pm
Dartmouth ties it up 2-2 on a sick half-volley..UMASS Dartmouth has outplayed Boston in the 2nd Half. Now a UMASS Dartmouth player gets a straight RED for something off camera and are down to 10 men. Chippy game as predicted. You have to figure Boston will get a winner up a man but Dartmouth has outplayed them in the 2nd Half
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 08, 2016, 09:25:29 pm
This Jamaican 28 year old striker for UMASS Boston is a beast. He favors his left foot but it is extremely hard to knock him off the ball. He snags a Hat-trick to give UMASS Boston a 3-2 lead on a quick turn and strike.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 09, 2016, 01:21:11 pm
0-0 Umass Boston v Umass Dartmouth....This game is pleasure to watch. Some nice skill from both team really, chippy as usual, and just some great flair on the field. I am just waiting for this ref to lose control and a fight to break out...
Absolutely agree with you on above statement, UMB pinpoint passing and creativeness, especially Kenaway, who not only is a technically skilled player, but has such great instincts.  It was like watching a game in Portugal yesterday with all the Fogo Cape Verde players and other international stars.  However, UMB STILL has to work on composure if they are going to compete with the best of NESCAC, NJAC and other conferences!!  Bottom line a wonderful passionate match to watch!!!  :)  8-)

PS Williamson looks like a linebacker in the NFL on the field!!  I think he is  6'3" 220lbs ???  VERY difficult to move him off the ball, great strength and power to his strikes!!

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Ommadawn on October 09, 2016, 02:59:35 pm
Although they are feasting on less-than-stellar opponents (a 5-0 win against MIT-conquering Newbury notwithstanding), Dean College is now 7-0-0 with a clean sheet for the season (48 GF, 0 GA).  The question seems to be less whether they will run the table than whether they will be scored upon.  Does anyone know to which conference, if any, they might be headed once they complete the transition to D3 from NJCAA?



No idea but I can guarantee you they will not be able to get these JUCO type players thru admissions when they do officially join D3.

After a 2-0 loss yesterday to Maine-Fort Kent, the Dean bubble has burst.  They are now 11-1.  It will nevertheless be interesting to see where this group is headed in the ongoing transition to D3 that lies ahead.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 09, 2016, 06:05:21 pm
This Jamaican 28 year old striker for UMASS Boston is a beast. He favors his left foot but it is extremely hard to knock him off the ball. He snags a Hat-trick to give UMASS Boston a 3-2 lead on a quick turn and strike.

Valeo FC lists Ocane Williamson as a former collegiate player.  He is listed as a freshman for Mass- Boston.  Does college in another country impact NCAA eligibility?  For example, if he had played one year for a college in Jamaica, would he only have 3 years of eligibility remaining here?

http://www.valeofc.com/layout_container/show_layout_tab?layout_container_id=16925486&page_node_id=1623327&tab_element_id=54984


Ocane Williamson
Former collegiate player for Kingston College in Jamaica. Also played for Rivoli United F.C. in the Jamaican premiere league in 2011. Williamson won the MSSL with Mass United in 2013. Competing with Middlesex F.C in the BSSL, Williamson led his team to the Division I title, scoring 26 goals that season.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 11, 2016, 02:39:10 pm
NSCAA New England rankings (10/11/16):

1   Mass-Boston                    11-0-1
2   Amherst College                 9-1-1
3   Middlebury College             6-1-2
4   Gordon College                  9-1-1
5   Springfield College            11-0-1
6   Tufts University                   5-3-2
7   Connecticut College            8-2-0
8   Williams College                  6-2-1
9   Endicott College                  7-3-2
10   Babson College                   6-4-3

Best of the rest (no particular order):  Trinity (6-4), Clark (10-2), WPI (7-2-3), Brandeis (5-3-3), Wentworth (8-2-4)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 12, 2016, 09:21:37 pm
MIT outshot Bridgewater State 38-7 but could not score. They can't hit a barn door.  It was appalling, there were about four or five shots on which they should've scored, but they didn't even work the keeper. They were 16 shots on goal but the kid made one good save in 110 minutes - even on the gimmes they shot right at him. Boy, do they miss Bingham.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 15, 2016, 05:05:55 pm
NSCAA New England rankings (10/11/16):

1   Mass-Boston                    11-0-1       L  - ECSU 1-2
2   Amherst College                 9-1-1      W - Colby 1-0
3   Middlebury College             6-1-2      T - Trinity 0-0   W - Wesleyan 2-0
4   Gordon College                  9-1-1       L - Wentworth 1-3
5   Springfield College            11-0-1      L - Babson 1-2
6   Tufts University                   5-3-2       W - Conn 1-0    W - Trinity 2-0
7   Connecticut College            8-2-0        L - Tufts 0-1
8   Williams College                  6-2-1       W - Wesleyan 2-1
9   Endicott College                  7-3-2       W - West New England 2-0   L - Babson 0-1
10   Babson College                   6-4-3        W - Springfield 2-1    W - Endicott 1-0

Best of the rest (no particular order):  Trinity (6-4), Clark (10-2), WPI (7-2-3), Brandeis (5-3-3), Wentworth (8-2-4)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 16, 2016, 08:41:16 pm
Mr.Right's Projected NCAA New England Regional Rankings on Wednesday taking into account SOS, OWP,OOWP, Road results, etc.....

This year reminds me of 2013 with a ton of parity and with most teams with multiple losses. Historically, when this happens, Nescac and UAA teams benefit because of their SOS. UMASS Boston benefits from all the road wins, Tufts with big wins, Babson with high SOS, Clark and Springfield with weak SOS, etc, etc


1.     Amherst                           11-1-0
2.     UMASS Boston                 12-1-1
3,     Middlebury                        8-1-3
4.     Tufts                                 7-3-2
5.     Babson                             8-4-3
6.     Springfield                       12-1-1
7.     Williams                            7-2-3
8.     Brandeis                           6-4-3
9.     Rhode Island College      10-3-1
10.   Bowdoin                           7-3-3
11.   Wentworth                       9-2-4
12.   Clark                                12-2-0


On the immediate cusp: Gordon, Conn College
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 17, 2016, 09:48:59 am
Dusting off the old spreadsheet, I have also projected the first real rankings for New England.  Although they are similar to Mr. Right's projection, the major guesstimate at this point is SOS. The accuracy of the projection will increase dramatically with the first round of real SOS data.

According to the spreadsheet:

                         Winning %    Record vs ranked
1.  Amherst            0.885          3-1-1
2.  Mass-Boston      0.893        2-0-1
3.  Middlebury        0.792          1-1-1
4.  Williams             0.708          1-1-1
5.  Tufts                  0.667          3-0-0
6.  Clark                 0.857           1-2-0
7.  Wentworth        0.733          0-1-0
8.  Springfield        0.893          1-1-0
9.  Babson             0.633          3-2-2
10.  Rhode Island   0.750         0-3-0
11.  Brandeis         0.577          0-2-0 (NE only)
12.  Bowdoin         0.644          0-2-2

Next 3:  Conn, Wheaton, Gordon
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 17, 2016, 01:35:02 pm
I must say that with the committee adding some teams to each region is not helpful. 12 teams in New England is a bit much over inflated. Teams RvR are going to get over-inflated and with that being said 2-3 wins v ranked might not be enough this year. All of the predicted ranked teams are going to have multiple wins and losses for RvR. Something to watch for.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 18, 2016, 11:11:19 am
Computer rankings 10/16

               Massey            HERO
1.  Amherst                   1.  Mass-Boston
2.  Mass-Boston           2.  Amherst
3.  Middlebury               3.  Middlebury
4.  Springfield               4.  Tufts
5.  Tufts                        5.  Springfield
6.  Williams                   6.  Rhode Island
7.  Rhode Island           7.  Bowdoin
8.  Clark                        8.  Conn
9.  Bowdoin                  9.  Gordon
10.  Conn                    10.  Brandeis
11.  Brandeis               11.  Williams
12.  Babson                 12.  Clark
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 18, 2016, 01:14:50 pm
And now the unreal NSCAA New England rankings as of 10/18/2016

1   Amherst           11-1-1
2   Middlebury         8-1-3
3   Mass-Boston    12-1-1
4   Tufts                  7-3-2
5   Williams              7-2-3
6   Babson               8-4-3
7   Springfield         12-1-1
8   Clark                  12-2-0
9   Rhode Island     10-3-1
10   Wentworth          9-2-4

It will be interesting to see if Springfield's SOS is over 0.500 and they appear in tomorrow's real rankings.

Best of the rest:  Conn, Brandeis, Gordon, WPI
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 19, 2016, 02:50:46 pm
Top NE SOS from today's data sheet:

Brandeis   0.628
Babson     0.606
Tufts         0.596
Rhode I     0.594 !
Colby        0.594
MIT          0.584
WPI          0.584
Williams    0.582
Amherst   0.577
WConn     0.576

Others:
Middlebury    0.564
Bowdoin      0.555
Conn           0.554
Mass-Boston  0.549
Clark            0.544
Gordon        0.517
Wentworth  0.502
Springfield  0.499
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 19, 2016, 03:08:14 pm
REAL rankings for New England 10/19/2016
                                     W-L          SOS
1.   Amherst                11-1-1      .577
2.   UMass Boston        12-1-1      .549
3.   Clark (MA)             12-2-0      .544
4.   Middlebury             8-1-3      .564
5.   Rhode Island         10-3-1      .594
6.   Williams                 7-2-3      .582
7.   Babson                  8-4-3      .606
8.   Tufts                     7-3-2     .596
9.   WPI                       7-2-4     .584
10.   Conn                   8-4-0     .554
11.   Coast Guard        8-3-2     .545
12.   Bowdoin              7-3-3     .555


No Springfield with their .499 SOS.   Also missing is Wentworth  (9-2-4, .502) and Brandeis (6-4-3, .628)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan on October 19, 2016, 03:33:50 pm
I'm not saying that I think this will happen, but if Brandeis can win out against against Clark (#3 in New England), Lasell, Emory (#6 in South Atlantic), Rochester (#1 in East), and NYU, they will end the season at 11-4-3 overall, a potential 5-1-3 against regionally ranked opponents, and one of the highest SOS in the country.

Is there a chance that will be enough for a Pool C birth? Asking for a friend :-\
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 19, 2016, 03:49:53 pm
I'm not saying that I think this will happen, but if Brandeis can win out against against Clark (#3 in New England), Lasell, Emory (#6 in South Atlantic), Rochester (#1 in East), and NYU, they will end the season at 11-4-3 overall, a potential 5-1-3 against regionally ranked opponents, and one of the highest SOS in the country.

Is there a chance that will be enough for a Pool C birth? Asking for a friend :-\

YES, but that also presumes teams like Clark and Emory STAY regionally ranked into the 3rd and 4th weeks.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 19, 2016, 05:49:35 pm
REAL rankings for New England 10/19/2016
                                  W-L       SOS  W%*SOS
1.   Amherst                11-1-1      .577        .510
2.   UMass Boston        12-1-1      .549        .490
3.   Clark (MA)             12-2-0      .544        .466
4.   Middlebury             8-1-3      .564        .447
5.   Rhode Island         10-3-1      .594        .446
6.   Williams                 7-2-3      .582        .412
7.   Babson                  8-4-3      .606        .384
8.   Tufts                     7-3-2     .596        .397
9.   WPI                       7-2-4     .584        .404
10.   Conn                   8-4-0     .554        .369
11.   Coast Guard        8-3-2     .545        .377
12.   Bowdoin              7-3-3     .555        .363


No Springfield with their .499 SOS.   Also missing is Wentworth  (9-2-4, .502,  .368) and Brandeis (6-4-3, .628,  .362)

Multiplying the  winning % by the SOS comes close to reproducing the first rankings.   I suspect this will be less true going forward as RvR is introduced and head to head and R v Common opponents are more carefully considered.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan on October 19, 2016, 08:16:32 pm
Fun game so far between Brandeis and Clark. Deis is really taking it to them, but as has been the theme all year they are lacking creativity in the offensive 3rd and just CANNOT finish. Clark is working very hard and putting up a strong defensive front.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan on October 19, 2016, 08:31:14 pm
1-0 Brandeis on a pretty questionable PK, miss, and then follow up.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 19, 2016, 08:32:41 pm
1-0 Brandeis on a pretty questionable PK, miss, and then follow up.

Tuned in about 30 seconds prior to the PK award. Good timing on my part, I guess. :)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 21, 2016, 06:20:04 pm
Trying to figure out how Babson is ahead of Tufts in the RRs. They are 6-0-2 in their last 8 which is impressive but they are 1-3-2 vs. ranked teams, the best result of which was a 1-1 with NE #2 UMB. They also downed Brandeis but while a good win they are not ranked. Tufts meanwhile has a 3-0 RvR with wins over NE #1 and NE #4. Sure they dropped a couple of games at the start of the year but they are 5-0-1 in the last 6.

I will say that Babson plays the toughest non-conference schedule of the NEWMACs IMHO but their conference opposition is not nearly as difficult, illustrating the NESCACs superiority to other NE conferences (I'm not a NESCAC supporter - just stating facts.) The funny thing is that I think they are more likely to win the NEWMAC if they are on the road rather than hosting, as they've won the last two times they've traveled (2014 @ Wheaton and 2015 @ MIT) while losing at home in 2011 and 2012.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 21, 2016, 08:31:07 pm
RvR is not a criteria for the first week of Regional Rankings (no previous rankings = no ranked opponents).  Something to keep in mind when looking at this first week of rankings and trying to think through why teams are ordered as they are.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on October 21, 2016, 08:39:14 pm
Bloots nevertheless raises a good point.  Yes, the regional committee is not looking at RvR in Week 1, but Tufts' recent performances alone would suggest that they belong ahead of Babson . . .
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 22, 2016, 10:40:41 am
You guys mention "recent performance", but that is not a criteria by default.  The manual says:
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"Should a committee find that evaluation of a team’s won-lost percentage during the last 25 percent of the season is applicable (i.e., end of season performance), it may adopt such criteria with approval from the championships committee."
I don't know if men's soccer committee has requested and gotten approval for looking at the last 25% of the season.  And even if they have approval for this, I'm not sure if it can be construed to mean the last 25% at the season to date, versus the plain interpretation of it being the last 25% of the full season at the time of at-large selections (i.e. at the time of the final rankings).

So RvR didn't factor in and I don't think recent performance factored in either.  I know that my impression from following this stuff for the last decade plus is that recent performance is not given extra weight, at least not significantly so.  Of course, my impression may be wrong.

Now I'm not arguing who is better or deserves to be ranked higher, just trying to say that given the criteria the committee does and does not use, Babson being ahead of Tufts might be "correct".  The introduction of RvR criteria next week could very well change that.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 22, 2016, 11:12:02 am
Now I'm not arguing who is better or deserves to be ranked higher, just trying to say that given the criteria the committee does and does not use, Babson being ahead of Tufts might be "correct".  The introduction of RvR criteria next week could very well change that.

Certainly I don't know the criteria exactly, and they may well have been "correct" for whatever reason - Babson does have more wins than Tufts at this moment. All I'm saying is that I found it to be a bit counterintuitive (to me personally) that a team with high-quality wins over nationally ranked opponents (one home and one away) was ranked below a team whose "best" result this year versus a nationally ranked team was a draw at home.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 22, 2016, 12:04:44 pm
In the eyes of the NCAA committee, there are no nationally ranked teams, because other polls and rankings are not taken into consideration.  So forget about wins over nationally ranked opponents if you want to understand the NCAA regional rankings.

Here are the primary criteria from page 22 of the 2016 Division III Soccer Pre-Championships Manual (http://www.d3soccer.com/ncaa-publications/2016/2016-NCAA-Division-III-Soccer_Pre-Championships-Manual.pdf):
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● Won-lost percentage against Division III opponents
● Division III head-to-head competition
● Results versus common Division III opponents
● Results versus ranked Division III teams as established by the rankings at the time of selection
● Division III strength of schedule (SOS = 2/3 OWP + 1/3 OOWP)

Going through that list:
● Tufts had a better winning pct. .667 to .633
● Tufts and Babson did not play head-to-head
● They had two common opponents: Brandeis and Endicott.  Both defeated Brandeis 1-0, but Babson defeated Endicott 1-0 while Tufts lost to Endicott 0-1. (Now Tuft's games were both away while both were home games for Babson, but nothing in the criteria says that gets taken into consideration.)
● As already mentioned, results versus ranked teams (RvR) isn't in play for the first weekly rankings. 
● Babson had a slightly better SOS, .606 to .596

Since recent performance isn't a criterion, it comes down to winning pct. (advantage Tufts), results vs. common opponents (advantage Babson), and SOS (slight advantage Babson).
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 22, 2016, 12:28:15 pm
The NCAA committee publishes their criteria in each year's Pre-Championship Manual (http://www.d3soccer.com/ncaa-publications/2016/2016-NCAA-Division-III-Soccer_Pre-Championships-Manual.pdf), D3soccer.com shares that criteria each year here (http://www.d3soccer.com/columns/christan-shirk/2016/the-rankings-that-matter) and here (http://www.d3soccer.com/rankings/2016/about).  So if you want to understand the NCAA regional rankings, the most important thing to do is familiarize yourself with the criteria that the committee is charged with applying. My impression is that the committee applies the criteria rather literally and strictly, avoiding subjectivity/discernment as much as possible so that they have an iron-clad objective justification for their rankings and at-large selections. So, if you want to understand their regional rankings and eventual at-large selections, you really need to put out of mind all other factors that are not listed as primary criteria (recent performance, national rank in the D3soccer.com and NSCAA polls, results versus teams ranked nationally by D3soccer.com or NSCAA, etc.,).

We all to one degree or another probably disagree with the criteria being used and/or how it seems like SOS and wins vs. ranked teams are too heavily weighted.  And so we will all have disagreements with the committee about who should be ranked and where, about who we think is most deserving of a shot at the NCAA tournament, etc.  I'm right there with you all.  But if you know and understand the criteria being used by the committee, on the whole, it's usually not too difficult to see how their rankings come out as they do.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 22, 2016, 12:37:20 pm
I agree with all this but am I correct in saying that the Week 2 RR usually see some big changes because of the RVR?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on October 22, 2016, 01:31:28 pm
The NCAA committee publishes their criteria in each year's Pre-Championship Manual (http://www.d3soccer.com/ncaa-publications/2016/2016-NCAA-Division-III-Soccer_Pre-Championships-Manual.pdf), D3soccer.com shares that criteria each year here (http://www.d3soccer.com/columns/christan-shirk/2016/the-rankings-that-matter) and here (http://www.d3soccer.com/rankings/2016/about).  So if you want to understand the NCAA regional rankings, the most important thing to do is familiarize yourself with the criteria that the committee is charged with applying. My impression is that the committee applies the criteria rather literally and strictly, avoiding subjectivity/discernment as much as possible so that they have an iron-clad objective justification for their rankings and at-large selections. So, if you want to understand their regional rankings and eventual at-large selections, you really need to put out of mind all other factors that are not listed as primary criteria (recent performance, national rank in the D3soccer.com and NSCAA polls, results versus teams ranked nationally by D3soccer.com or NSCAA, etc.,).

We all to one degree or another probably disagree with the criteria being used and/or how it seems like SOS and wins vs. ranked teams are too heavily weighted.  And so we will all have disagreements with the committee about who should be ranked and where, about who we think is most deserving of a shot at the NCAA tournament, etc.  I'm right there with you all.  But if you know and understand the criteria being used by the committee, on the whole, it's usually not too difficult to see how their rankings come out as they do.

FW, no one here is arguing with you or suggesting that the NCAA is misapplying their own criteria.  We only suggest based on personal observation that Tufts appears to be a better team than Babson.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 22, 2016, 04:47:43 pm
My apologies if that was the intended suggestion.  When blooter442 wrote that he is "trying to figure out how Babson is ahead of Tufts in the RRs" combined with throwing out RvR's (that don't yet exist), I took as (1) a question about how the committee arrived at the relative ranking of the two teams, and (2) potentially less than a full understanding of the criteria being used by the committee. I would probably also opine that Tufts is better than Babson at the moment, and if I had understood that to be the ascertain I wouldn't have had anything to interject here. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on October 22, 2016, 07:57:31 pm
My apologies if that was the intended suggestion.  When blooter442 wrote that he is "trying to figure out how Babson is ahead of Tufts in the RRs" combined with throwing out RvR's (that don't yet exist), I took as (1) a question about how the committee arrived at the relative ranking of the two teams, and (2) potentially less than a full understanding of the criteria being used by the committee. I would probably also opine that Tufts is better than Babson at the moment, and if I had understood that to be the ascertain I wouldn't have had anything to interject here.

Understood.  We know and respect you. 
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 22, 2016, 08:16:06 pm
My apologies if that was the intended suggestion.  When blooter442 wrote that he is "trying to figure out how Babson is ahead of Tufts in the RRs" combined with throwing out RvR's (that don't yet exist), I took as (1) a question about how the committee arrived at the relative ranking of the two teams, and (2) potentially less than a full understanding of the criteria being used by the committee. I would probably also opine that Tufts is better than Babson at the moment, and if I had understood that to be the ascertain I wouldn't have had anything to interject here.

FW you are definitely correct that I wanted to know and did not understand the process fully, but as 1970s NESCAC Player stated ultimately my comment was a tongue-in-cheek reference to how I would have done things if I had control of the rules/process. Regardless, I do appreciate the explanation! It certainly clears up my confusion.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 22, 2016, 08:35:42 pm
On the subject of Babson, for what it's worth, they won again today against WPI, 2–0. They have not lost since September 18, which is impressive, and may well be in for a shout for a Pool C should they failed to win the NEWMAC. That said, I do think that Tufts would be chosen over them in a "one bid left" situation, especially with RvR coming into play for this week's (and subsequent) RRs, as while Babson beat a ranked opponent today Tufts did too and is 4–0 RvR.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 23, 2016, 03:17:53 pm
Projected week 2 "REAL" rankings for New England. (spreadsheet updated using SOS numbers from first data sheet)

1.  Amherst
2.  Mass-Boston
3.  Tufts
4.  Rhode Island
5.  Williams
6.  Babson
7.  Brandeis
8.  Clark
9.  Middlebury
10.  Conn
11.  Coast Guard
12.  WPI

next 3:  Bowdoin, Gordon, Endicott

Springfield (14-1-1) does not appear in the top 15 due to sub .500 SOS.  If their SOS was .510, the spreadsheet would have them in position #10.

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 23, 2016, 04:09:15 pm
Projected week 2 "REAL" rankings for New England. (spreadsheet updated using SOS numbers from first data sheet)

1.  Amherst
2.  Mass-Boston
3.  Tufts
4.  Rhode Island
5.  Williams
6.  Babson
7.  Brandeis
8.  Clark
9.  Middlebury
10.  Conn
11.  Coast Guard
12.  WPI

next 3:  Bowdoin, Gordon, Endicott

Springfield (14-1-1) does not appear in the top 15 due to sub .500 SOS.  If their SOS was .510, the spreadsheet would have them in position #10.





Mr.Right's Projected Week 2 New England Rankings:

1. Amherst
2. UMASS Boston
3. Tufts
4. Babson
5. Rhode Island College
6. Middlebury
7. Williams
8. Brandeis
9. Clark
10. Conn
11. Bowdoin
12. Endicott


No way Midd drops from #4 to #9 because of 1 unranked loss. Unranked losses do not matter as much as ranked ones. Williams will not jump a spot because of a 1-1-0 record for the week plus a horrific RvR. Brandeis better hope Wash U stays ranked because after losing today I do not see a legit win on Wash U's resume. Babson with a high SOS will keep moving up. Bowdoin will not drop off the rankings because they of a draw with a ranked team. Coast Guard for me should never be there and they will drop off along with WPI. Endicott sneaks on after a big win over Wentworth and a pretty good SOS.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan20 on October 23, 2016, 07:08:39 pm
Looking forward to the Endicott v Gordon game on Tuesday... As a close follower of the CCC I have to say these two are still the favorites... Gordon's loss to Wentworth last week was mind boggling to me but Wentworth pressed smartly and scored two set piece goals... Endicott then goes on to beat Wentworth 2-0 with their defense looking rock solid and very athletic... The leopards wanted no part of the game... Im giving Gordon the slight edge Tuesday because of offensive talent but the Gulls back line and keeper definitely have a chance to shut them down... This game is big for playoff seeding as EC needs a result to clinch the one seed...
Thoughts on the CCC?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 23, 2016, 08:34:25 pm
Looking forward to the Endicott v Gordon game on Tuesday... As a close follower of the CCC I have to say these two are still the favorites... Gordon's loss to Wentworth last week was mind boggling to me but Wentworth pressed smartly and scored two set piece goals... Endicott then goes on to beat Wentworth 2-0 with their defense looking rock solid and very athletic... The leopards wanted no part of the game... Im giving Gordon the slight edge Tuesday because of offensive talent but the Gulls back line and keeper definitely have a chance to shut them down... This game is big for playoff seeding as EC needs a result to clinch the one seed...
Thoughts on the CCC?

Should be exciting. I personally thought Gordon would roll this year, as they brought back 80% of their goals and Spoonhour, who is a good GK. I know Wentworth had a good year last year but didn't think they would be challenging for the CCC, but they are impressive and have some good pace. Endicott though was perhaps underrated going into this year and has done reasonably well.

Based on sheer experience and overall talent, I'd give Gordon a slight edge as favorites for the CCC. That said, they have two teams right on their heels ready to punish them if they slip up.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: oldonionbag on October 24, 2016, 02:40:51 pm
Unrelated to the conversation above (sorry Bloots), but take a look at the ball put into the box at the minute mark by UMass Boston.  An absolutely beautiful ball and passage of play all around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7pg_pMN2TA
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 24, 2016, 11:33:48 pm
Also, in the highlights notice how HARD it is to take Williamson off the ball...He is a beast just not totally fit IMO but UMASS Boston is going to get a good pod on the 1st Weekend of the NCAA's. The question is will they host? Because they do not technically have a home field. They better pray whoever is hosting will be on turf as I feel UMASS Boston is a total turf team.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: NEsoccerfan20 on October 26, 2016, 01:34:41 pm
With the second week of NCAA rankings looming, who do we think has a shot in the NE region for an at-large? Assuming the likes of Amherst, Umass Boston, Babson win their conference. How many teams from this region will be selected, 4/5? Any teams under the radar that could sneak into the tournament that aren't necessarily talked about enough?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 26, 2016, 01:50:05 pm
With the second week of NCAA rankings looming, who do we think has a shot in the NE region for an at-large? Assuming the likes of Amherst, Umass Boston, Babson win their conference. How many teams from this region will be selected, 4/5? Any teams under the radar that could sneak into the tournament that aren't necessarily talked about enough?

I think the one that sticks out right now is RIC because of the decent to good SoS..  And will be interesting to see what happens with Springfield.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 26, 2016, 03:25:42 pm
Projected week 2 "REAL" rankings for New England. (spreadsheet updated using SOS numbers from first data sheet)

     Projected                   Actual 10/26    SOS
1.  Amherst                1.  Amherst               .565
2.  Mass-Boston          2.  Tufts                     .604
3.  Tufts                      3.  Mass-Boston         .537
4.  Rhode Island         4.  Clark                    .541
5.  Williams                 5.  Middlebury           .566
6.  Babson                  6.  Rhode Island        .579
7.  Brandeis                7.  Babson                 .614
8.  Clark                     8.  Brandeis               .637
9.  Middlebury            9.  Williams               .595
10.  Conn                  10.  Conn                   .558
11.  Coast Guard       11.  Coast Guard       .547
12.  WPI                    12.  WPI                     .574

next 3:  Bowdoin, Gordon, Endicott

Springfield (14-1-1) does not appear in the top 15 due to sub .500 SOS.  If their SOS was .510, the spreadsheet would have them in position #10.

Observations:
-  Bowdoin dropped out of the rankings after ties with ranked Williams and ranked Conn
-  Clark remains ranked ahead of Babson and Brandeis despite losing to both
-  Williams beats Hamilton but loses to #2 Tufts and drops 3 spots - below Babson who they beat head to head
-  Middlebury beats Colby-Sawyer and loses to unranked Bates and drops only 1 spot

Clark and Middlebury appear to be ranked too highly.  Of course Midd followed their loss to Bates with a loss to Williams, so they will drop.   Clark is 4-3 in their last 7 games during which time they have not beaten anyone with a winning record.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 27, 2016, 12:18:23 am
Well Midd only dropped to #5 because of the unranked loss to Bates. After the ranked loss to Williams and if they lose again to Williams on Saturday they are "cooked"...In fact the loser of the Williams v Midd game on Saturday will be definitely OUT. Williams still has work to do as I think they must get to the Nescac Final to get a Pool C. Midd might have a slight chance if they draw Williams and lose in PK's but I really doubt it.

Clark is a total mystery. They lose to Babson and Brandeis but with WPI and Coast Guard still MYSTERIOUSLY ranked Clark's RvR looks good. Their SOS does not and if I were them I would make sure to beat Springfield which also at 14-1-1 will really boost Clark's SOS and OWP.

Brandeis gets a well deserved #8 ranking and their season has PLENTY OF LIFE LEFT...They really need 2 wins v Emory and UR this weekend. That is a HUGE ASK but doable. Even 1-0-1 against them really helps their already impressive SOS and OWP and RvR. I really think they are on the bubble but control their own destiny.  Ah if only they could have held onto that 1-0 lead at Chicago with 15 minutes left 2 weeks ago....They would be a lock

The LEC is getting 2 teams into the dance IMO. UMASS Boston's SOS and RvR is weak but even if they lose in their conference tournament they are IN. RIC, I think needs to win that #2 v #3 game and get into the LEC Finals to get a bid but they should be all set.

Both Amherst and Tufts are locks in Nescac. Williams and Midd are on the bubble and Conn would need to get to the Nescac Final to get on the bubble. You have to figure Bowdoin will once again be ranked next Wednesday with that big Win v Tufts yesterday but somehow they will have to win at Tufts on the turf Saturday or their season is over. To bad because they are playing VERY WELL IMO right now.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: maineman on October 27, 2016, 11:12:45 am
Is Glaser going to be available for Midd against Williams in the playoff game?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 27, 2016, 11:53:07 am
Is Glaser going to be available for Midd against Williams in the playoff game?




That is the BIG QUESTION MARK......It could be his final game and he is a decently tough kid so I would imagine he will want to play even if he is 85%....
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 29, 2016, 04:35:14 pm
Oct 26 regional rankings and blemishes since 10/23:

1.  Amherst             
2.  Tufts                   - two L's to Bowdoin, now 9-5-2
3.  Mass- Boston      - T Keene St
4.  Clark                  -  L to Wheaton
5.  Middlebury         -  L to Williams
6.  Rhode Island
7.  Babson
8.  Brandeis
9.  Williams             -  L to Midd, now 9-4-3
10.  Conn                -  L vs Hamilton, now 10-5-1
11.  Coast Guard     -  L to Springfield and L to Mass-Dartmouth now 9-5-3
12.  WPI                  - L to MIT
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 29, 2016, 09:44:17 pm
Projected New England rankings based on games through today:

                                W-L        %       SOS
1.  Amherst           14-1-1    .906     .565
2.  Mass-Boston     15-1-2    .889     .537
3.  Rhode Island    14-3-1    .806     .579
4.  Babson             11-4-3    .694     .614
5.  Brandeis             9-4-3    .656     .637
6.  Middlebury       10-3-3    .719     .566
7.  Bowdoin             9-3-4    .688     .557
8.  Tufts                   9-5-2    .625     .604
9.  Williams             9-4-3     .656     .595
10.  Clark              14-4-0     .788    .541
11.  Springfield     16-1-1     .917    .480
12.  Conn              10-5-1     .656    .558

Next 3:  Endicott, WPI, Wheaton
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 30, 2016, 05:28:04 pm
Mr.Right's Project New England Regional Rankings:

1. Amherst
2. UMASS Boston
3. Brandeis
4. Babson
5. Rhode Island College
6. Tufts
7. Bowdoin
8. Midd
9. Williams
10. Clark
11. Endicott
12. Conn




FW,

Remember when the committee used to say if your SOS is under .500 you cannot get a Pool C? Is that still going on? Also, I forget ir you are under .500 SOS can you even be Regionally Ranked?  What are the 2016 rules on this and what are the future rules going to be on this? I remember about 5 years ago this was the rule.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on October 30, 2016, 05:40:20 pm
Heat to head competition is one of the five primary critera used for rankings.  Consequently:

I would be quite surprised if Tufts is ranked directly ahead of Bowdoin given that they lost to Bowdoin in head to head play TWICE in the last week.

Similarly, Brandeis and Babson should be very close, BUT Babson beat Brandeis in their only meeting.

Lastly, when considering Middlebury and Bowdoin:
   - Middlebury has a better won-loss %
   - Middlebury has a better SOS
   - Middlebury beat Bowdoin
Middlebury should be ranked ahead of Bowdoin.

One more thought, I was tempted to also drop Rhode Island because of their RvR, but that hasn't changed since last week and the committee did not drop them then.  Otherwise, I would agree that they should be below both Brandesi and Babson.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 30, 2016, 05:58:49 pm
Hard to keep up with the  R v R with teams dropping out and teams coming in but by my count Brandeis has 6 wins (John Carroll got ranked last week).  By the 4th week Babson will lose Coast Guard and WPI.  UMass-Boston also only 1-0-1.  And Brandeis has an enormous SoS.

Wonder if the order of the NESCACs will go Midd, Bowdoin, Tufts.  Very, very close and Tufts has the 4 ranked wins.  And are they above or below RIC.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 30, 2016, 06:00:30 pm
You could be right but they are looking at the FULL season not just the past week. For that, I think Tufts does stay ahead of Bowdoin but it will be very interesting who the Top 8 in New England will be and more importantly the order of the Top 8. I think we can AGREE on one thing the committee will surprise us with something that makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on October 30, 2016, 06:43:17 pm
With Midd at 10-3-3 and 3-2-1 R V R I'm gonna predict it goes Midd, Tufts, Bowdoin.  I think Bowdoin has to get a result vs Amherst. And I think Midd may have to beat Hamilton to stay ahead of Tufts.  And RIC probably needs another ranked win which they aren't gonna get unless they win the AQ which makes that moot.  Babson could use another ranked win as well.  Will be interesting to see who the last couple of ranked teams are this week.  Endicott seems like a strong possibility.  Maybe Wheaton?  Would hope for Springfield but don't think that is going to happen unless SoS gets over .510 which seems unlikely.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on October 30, 2016, 06:50:26 pm
Similarly, Brandeis and Babson should be very close, BUT Babson beat Brandeis in their only meeting.

It is interesting to wonder what will happen. Babson did defeat Brandeis and has a slightly better WP, but Brandeis' RvR was better than Babson last week (3-3-2 vs. 2-3-2, and that's without the Emory or Rochester wins) and their SoS was significantly superior (.614 vs. .637), so you have to wonder what weight the committee gives each piece of primary criteria. I personally would guess that WP would reign supreme, and that - combined with the H2H win - would mean that Babson would be ranked above Brandeis, but it is evident that teams with good RvR and SoS have been rewarded in the past, so I can't say for sure.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 30, 2016, 07:04:12 pm
FW,

Remember when the committee used to say if your SOS is under .500 you cannot get a Pool C? Is that still going on? Also, I forget ir you are under .500 SOS can you even be Regionally Ranked?  What are the 2016 rules on this and what are the future rules going to be on this? I remember about 5 years ago this was the rule.

It was 2010 when they implemented a .500 SOS threshold for the regional rankings (on what basis was never clear), but it created such a reaction when an undefeated Dominican and undefeated Swarthmore were left out of the first weekly rankings.   A week later they had already abandoned the threshold and Dominican and Swarthmore, despite ironically both picking up their first losses that week, were ranked #3 in the Mid-Atlantic and #2 in the Central regions.  As far as I know, they didn't try that again until possibly two years ago in 2014 when it seemed very suspiscious that Luther went from #2 in the North region in week 1 with a.518 SOS to unranked in Week 2 after winning a pair of games by shutout but seeing their SOS drop just below .500.  It was posted that the committee denied any threshhold was being used.  So officially, there is no .500 SOS threshold.  Now whether there is an unwritten, unspoken one at work, . . . . .
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on October 31, 2016, 12:19:34 pm
NOTE:  It could be quite possible that the Little East gets 3 teams into the NCAA's. If ECONN or WCONN win the LEC tournament they would steal the AQ. UMASS Boston and RIC who I have seen about 2-3 times are dangerous sides and IMO will get Pool C's. However, an organized side like ECONN and a up and coming WCONN have the potential to win 2 games and grab the AQ. Bubble teams should be keeping an eye on this league and hope for no upsets. I think RIC will get by WCONN but ECONN and UMASS Boston will be an interesting one. UMASS Boston has more talent, skill and a nasty striker and nasty CM. That being said, ECONN can be extremely organized  and very hard to break down. They have already beaten UMASS Boston 2-1 this year and are a tremendously FIT team. They will run all day. My issue from a distance is Coach DeVito seems to be overly negative and can get really down on his players. He is a good coach but I think needs to be a bit more positive with his players and he might get even more from them. Hence all the transfers, etc... Conn's Murphy has the same reputation.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on October 31, 2016, 08:04:53 pm
NOTE:  It could be quite possible that the Little East gets 3 teams into the NCAA's. If ECONN or WCONN win the LEC tournament they would steal the AQ. UMASS Boston and RIC who I have seen about 2-3 times are dangerous sides and IMO will get Pool C's. However, an organized side like ECONN and a up and coming WCONN have the potential to win 2 games and grab the AQ. Bubble teams should be keeping an eye on this league and hope for no upsets. I think RIC will get by WCONN but ECONN and UMASS Boston will be an interesting one. UMASS Boston has more talent, skill and a nasty striker and nasty CM. That being said, ECONN can be extremely organized  and very hard to break down. They have already beaten UMASS Boston 2-1 this year and are a tremendously FIT team. They will run all day. My issue from a distance is Coach DeVito seems to be overly negative and can get really down on his players. He is a good coach but I think needs to be a bit more positive with his players and he might get even more from them. Hence all the transfers, etc... Conn's Murphy has the same reputation.
Well stated Mr Right!!  ECSU has an uphill battle, playing away, (much better team on their home grass field) and the fact that UMB's coach and players will want to atone for the early season loss!  In addition ECSU is not a particularly good post season performer and just does not have anybody that can finish this year.  I would be more concerned with RIC as they would like to dump UMB after last years exit in the LEC finals.  My prediction RIC for LEC champs!!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 01, 2016, 12:47:38 pm
the NSCAA unReal rankings for 11/1/16:

1   Amherst            14-1-1
2   Mass-Boston      15-1-2
3   Middlebury         10-3-3
4   Babson               11-4-3
5   Brandeis             10-4-3
6   Springfield          16-1-1
7   Williams                9-4-3
8   Rhode Island      14-3-1
9   Bowdoin               9-3-4
10   Endicott           12-5-2

Also receiving votes: Tufts (1)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 02, 2016, 03:16:17 pm
They're here.  The real 11/2 New England rankings

1.  Amherst
2.  Mass- Boston
3.  Babson
4.  Brandeis
5.  Tufts
6.  Middlebury
7.  Rhode Island
8.  Clark
9.  Williams
10.  Bowdoin
11.  Endicott
12.  Wheaton

Surprises:  Tufts only fell to #5 and Clark only to #8.

Rhode Island dropped due to 1-3 RvR and Springfield (16-1-1) is still absent due to their awful .493 SOS.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 02, 2016, 03:30:11 pm
One question - when they say a team's record vs. ranked, that is derived using the previous week's statistics, correct?

By my count Brandeis is 5-4-1 against teams ranked this week but the data sheet on D3soccer.com shows 6-3-2 RvR. All of Brandeis' (10-4-3) four losses have been to ranked teams this week (Babson, Chicago, Tufts, Wheaton) as well as 1 draw (Carnegie Mellon) but they have 5 ranked wins (Clark, Emory, Haverford, Rochester, WashU). Can someone clarify?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on November 02, 2016, 03:33:21 pm
The RvR is based on teams ranked last week.

Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 02, 2016, 04:20:25 pm
Here is a cut and paste from http://www.d3soccer.com/rankings/2016/regional-rankings-Nov-2

NEW ENGLAND REGION (data sheet)
Rank      School      Division III   Overall    SOS     RvR    Prev.
1.   Amherst              14-1-1        14-1-1        0.570     3-1-1     1
2.   Mass-Boston       15-1-2        15-1-2        0.534      1-0-1      3
3.   Babson              11-4-3        11-4-3        0.599      3-3-1      7
4.   Brandeis              10-4-3        10-4-3        0.604      6-3-2      8
5.   Tufts                    9-5-2           9-5-2       0.605       5-0-0      2
6.   Middlebury            10-3-3       10-3-3       0.578       2-2-1      5
7.   Rhode Island        14-3-1        14-3-1        0.570      1-3-0      6
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
8.   Clark                    14-4-0        14-4-0        0.545      3-2-0      4
9.   Williams                 9-4-3            9-4-3         0.604      2-4-0      9
10.   Bowdoin                 9-3-4          9-3-4        0.571      2-2-3      --
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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11.   Endicott               12-5-2        12-5-2        0.554      1-2-2       --
12.   Wheaton                10-6-2          10-6-2      0.576      3-2-1      --

I have arbitrarily added a "no chance of a Pool C bid" double line and a "Pool C chances are remote" single line to the rankings.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Flying Weasel on November 02, 2016, 04:46:05 pm
The data sheets are compiled Monday after the deadline for teams posting their scores to the NCAA database.  The new rankings obviously aren't out yet, so they can't compute a RvR based on rankings that do not exist yet.  So, it is based on the rankings at the time.


Base on last week's rankings, Brandeis' RvR is 6-3-2 as follows:

WINS: John Carrol (#8 Great Lakes), Haverford (#4 Mid-Atlantic), Wash. U. (#3 Central), Clark (#4 New Eng.), Emory (#6 So. Atl.), Rochester (#3 East)

LOSSES: Babson (#7 New Eng.), Tufts (#2 New Eng.), Chicago (#1 Central)

TIES: WPI (#12  New Eng.), Carnegie Mellon (#7 Great Lakes)


However the WPI tie drops off for the final rankings replaced by the loss to Wheaton, and the win vs. John Carroll goes away. So their RvR for at-large berth discussions will become 5-4-1 as follows:

WINS: Haverford (#4 Mid-Atlantic), Wash. U. (#3 Central), Clark (#8 New Eng.), Emory (#7 So. Atl.), Rochester (#3 East)

LOSSES: Babson (#3 New Eng.), Wheaton (#12 New Eng.), Tufts (#5 New Eng.), Chicago (#1 Central)

TIES: Carnegie Mellon (#2 Great Lakes)
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 02, 2016, 04:49:27 pm
The data sheets are compiled Monday after the deadline for teams posting their scores to the NCAA database.  The new rankings obviously aren't out yet, so they can't compute a RvR based on rankings that do not exist yet.  So, it is based on the rankings at the time.


Base on last week's rankings, Brandeis' RvR is 6-3-2 as follows:

WINS: John Carrol (#8 Great Lakes), Haverford (#4 Mid-Atlantic), Wash. U. (#3 Central), Clark (#4 New Eng.), Emory (#6 So. Atl.), Rochester (#3 East)

LOSSES: Babson (#7 New Eng.), Tufts (#2 New Eng.), Chicago (#1 Central)

TIES: WPI (#12  New Eng.), Carnegie Mellon (#7 Great Lakes)


However the WPI tie drops off for the final rankings replaced by the loss to Wheaton, and the win vs. John Carroll goes away. So their RvR for at-large berth discussions will become 5-4-1 as follows:

WINS: Haverford (#4 Mid-Atlantic), Wash. U. (#3 Central), Clark (#8 New Eng.), Emory (#7 So. Atl.), Rochester (#3 East)

LOSSES: Babson (#3 New Eng.), Wheaton (#12 New Eng.), Tufts (#5 New Eng.), Chicago (#1 Central)

TIES: Carnegie Mellon (#2 Great Lakes)

Thanks for the clarification, FW. While 4 ranked defeats seems like a lot, 5 ranked wins is pretty solid, so - given that the Judges were 5-4-3 in mid-October - things seem to look better for them at this point, if nothing else.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on November 02, 2016, 07:36:37 pm
Another tough ending for Endicott, losing in PKs.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on November 02, 2016, 09:12:36 pm
Wow.  What a play by Wentworth late in 2OT.  Wentworth knocks off Gordon.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 02, 2016, 11:51:12 pm
Didn't see the game but I guess UMASS Boston means business winning 7-2 over ECONN....They will play RIC in the LEC Final who being ranked #7 in New England is most definitely a BUBBLE team. A draw will see them into the NCAA's, a loss and they will be sweating. Should be a great final
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 03, 2016, 01:09:31 am
After watching the highlights of the UMASS Boston v ECONN match I was impressed. The 3rd goal by Wiliiamson was an absolute beauty of a one-timer and UMASS Boston dominated the whole game. ECONN did not show up and frankly their GK was a complete DISASTER.  Morales who scored the 2nd goal from 30 yards out was a shot that a GK must save and it looked like ECONN caved and kind of gave up as they realized they were just no match tonight for UMASS Boston. I wonder if UMASS Boston applied to host or if they are allowed to considering they are not playing on "their" home field. If they can stay on Boston College's carpet they are going to be a tough out for anyone including any Nescac side. Williamson is a man among boys and it showed in this game. He looks a lot more fit than he did a month ago and still favors that cannon of a left foot but is also ok with his right foot. It will be interesting to see what kind of pod they get and when they play better offensive teams how their GK and defense holds up. Their defense is skilled but not overly physical.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 03, 2016, 01:32:56 pm

                                                         Starters lost
1.   Amherst              14-1-1               8            Lose 4 of their top 6 scorers
2.     Mass-Boston        16-1-2             2            Return their top 3 scorers
3.   Babson              11-4-3                 3           Lose their leading scorer but return the rest of their top 6.
4.   Brandeis              10-4-3               5           Lose 4 of their top 6 scorers.
5.   Tufts                    9-5-2                  6           Lose their top scorer (42% of goals)
6.   Middlebury            10-3-3             7          Lose 3 of their 5 top scorers
7.   Rhode Island        14-3-1               5           Lose only 1 of their top 6 scorers but lose 5 starters (mainly backs and GK)
8.   Clark                    14-4-0               3           Return 4 their top 6 scorers.
9.   Williams                 9-4-3               7           Lose 3 of their top 5 scorers
10.   Bowdoin                 9-3-4             3           Return 5 of their top 6 scorers
11.   Endicott               12-5-2              2            Return their top 13 scorers
12.   Wheaton                10-6-2             2          Return 5 of their 6 top scorers

Since its never to early to look ahead to next year. 

It looks like UMass-Boston, Babson, Rhode Island, Clark, Endicott and Wheaton all return a lot of strength.  Bowdoin looks good to compete with Amherst for NESCAC supremacy.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: PaulNewman on November 05, 2016, 09:25:50 am
The Wheaton-Babson game due to start in about an hour should be a good one.  If you look at Wheaton's overall resume they may be under-ranked regionally.  Good SOS and RvR of 3-1 (as of today with chance to go to 4-1).  Wins over RUN, Brandeis and Clark.  6 losses is high but overall blemishes of 7 is very much in line with the throng of Pool C contenders in New England and elsewhere.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 05, 2016, 10:48:02 am
Just tuned in....1-1 Babson v Wheaton...Not sure what I missed but a 10:30am start is a bit much. No reason not to start this game at 11am.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 05, 2016, 10:51:04 am
Looks like Babson scored 3 minutes in when everyone was still asleep. One of Wheaton's best players #15 Sesay gets a goal back to make it 1-1. Bubble teams better hope Babson wins the AQ because they will be getting a Pool C either way.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 05, 2016, 11:18:29 am
Looks like it will go into halftime 1-1 Babson v Wheaton. I have seen Babson with a dangerous chance off a ste piece that Wheaton's GK coughed up right in front of him and were lucky to clear it out. Wheaton's GK looks suspect 1st half. Otherwise, seems like a pretty even game so far from what I have seen
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 05, 2016, 12:28:12 pm
Babson and Wheaton heading to OT at 1-1. wheaton had the better of the play 2nd Half and have had numerous set pieces to try to snag a goal but they do not look threatening on set pieces.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 05, 2016, 12:53:32 pm
Wheaton(MA) defeats Babson in 2 OT on a nice rebound finish. Honestly, they deserved to win the game and I thought played much better than Babson on the day. Wheaton just has more dangerous weapons offensively. Babosn will still get a Pool C but just BURST someone's bubble. Wheaton all of a sudden has 4 ranked wins and will play the winner of Clark / Springfield tomorrow.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 05, 2016, 03:44:55 pm
WOW.....Brandeis losing to NYU 1-0 with about 10 minutes left....They are ranked #4 in New England with an over .600 SOS and 5-6 ranked wins should be good enough if the score holds but this is one result I would not have predicted. Brandeis has been playing so well and controlled their own destiny and NYU has nothing to play for. Now if they lose they might be on the bubble depending upon how far they drop in the rankings
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 05, 2016, 03:47:12 pm
Springfield and CLark in the 2nd Newmac Semi-Final are knotted up at 2-2 heading to OT. The stats tell me Springfield has dominated the game but I have not watched any of it yet. will be catching the OT...Both teams MUST advance and trying to advance for the right to play Wheaton(MA) in the Newmac Final.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 05, 2016, 07:11:17 pm
Springfield ends Clark's fairy tale season and will meet Wheaton in the Newmac final tomorrow. It should be a very good and even match. Clark kind of imploded to end the season and really should not have been regionally ranked this past week.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 05, 2016, 07:13:21 pm
Big game just tarted for RIC at UMASS Boston. With all the upsets around the country RIC might need the AQ...Still being #7 in New England is usually very ,uch on the bubble so a draw and loss in PK's might work..UMASS Boston has a bud wrapped up either way and this game has turned into a rivalry game the past 3-4 years. Should be a good one
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 05, 2016, 07:17:13 pm
Barros scores on a header off a great Kenawy feed and UMASS Boston takes an early 1-0 lead over RIC.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 05, 2016, 07:21:03 pm
RIC lets UMASS Boston know they are going nowhere as Dogbey equalizes for RIC...Both these teams can score but can they be disciplined enough to defend especially against the better teams in the region.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 06, 2016, 12:57:25 pm
Springfield and Wheaton(MA) about to get under way at Babson for the Newmac AQ. Should be a good even game as these two sides drew 2-2 in the regular season at Springfield. If Wheaton can stay organized and disciplined defensively they will have a great chance to win the game. Springfield also has some dangerous weapons going forward like Wheaton so whichever team makes the fewest mental mistakes will win the game.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 06, 2016, 01:21:32 pm
Springfield goes up 1-0 off a Pk...Plenty of time left
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 06, 2016, 01:44:17 pm
Wheaton ties up the game 1-1 v Sprinfield almost Halftime. Wheaton scores on a own goal. They are dominating the game and possessing nicely since the Springfield goal. Should be a great finish
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 06, 2016, 01:48:43 pm
Springfield up 2-1 now after a fluke goal. Wheaton really needs to bear down and FOCUS. To many mental mistakes defensively. Still they have the talent offensively to make it a game 2nd Half
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 06, 2016, 02:28:36 pm
Springfield still holding onto its 2-1 leadd with about 30 minutes left  in the game. Springfield starting to time waste and their backs are WHACKING everything in sight. Very ugly..Wheaton startin to push but have not had anything dangerous as of yet to knot the game up. WOW...Wheaton Head Coach Matt Cushing gets a 2nd yellow and is now escorted out of the game on a RED....He is not happy with the ref and possibly did it to ENERGIZE his team to get the tying goal..
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 06, 2016, 02:50:09 pm
Springfield still holding on with a 2-1 lead over Wheaton with about 10 minutes to go. If Wheaton cannot get it done today they should feel VERY good for 2017 as they only have 4 seniors on the roster and only 1 if them is a significant loss. They are very young and with a few new recruits brought into the program they would have to be considered the favorites for Newmac in 2017.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 06, 2016, 02:57:19 pm
Springfield now up 3-1 with 8 minutes left and that should do it as Wheaton is down to 10 men. Springfield lets the committee know that hey you might not rank us because of a poor SOS but we are 18-1-1 and  we will just go ahead and win the AQ. They have some offensive weapon but are an ugly team to watch as they really do not try to possess much and their backs hoof everything. They might cause some problems for a better team in the 1st Round of the NCAA's but depending on who they play they should not be to much of a problem for a better side.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: soccer_603_207 on November 06, 2016, 03:04:52 pm
Is it looking like Umass Boston and Saint Joseph's College of Maine are going to face off? interesting with their Head Coach being a former Asst. at UMB before heading up to Maine.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 06, 2016, 03:15:12 pm
Is it looking like Umass Boston and Saint Joseph's College of Maine are going to face off? interesting with their Head Coach being a former Asst. at UMB before heading up to Maine.

We have no idea if they will face off....Possibly but not definite. St.Joseph's(ME) had a very nice quiet good season and won the league by beating a decent Norwich side in PK's. UMASS Boston should have a very favorable pod in the NCAA 1st/2nd Round but again the question remains did they apply to host in the NCAA's on BC's field which they used for their 4-5 home games.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 07, 2016, 02:04:18 pm
New England Pool C selections:

Babson
Brandeis
Tufts

NOT selected:

Middlebury
Rhode Island
Wheaton
Bowdoin
Williams
Clark

First round games of note:

Tufts vs. Springfield   (winner likely plays Rowan)
Mass-Boston vs. Kean   (winner likely plays Haverford)

Daniel Webster vs Worcester St (winner plays Amherst)

Babson vs. St Joes (Maine)
Brandeis vs.  Western New England   (setting up rematch with Babson)

Amherst and Babson host first weekend games
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 07, 2016, 02:49:32 pm
Tufts vs. Springfield
   Common opponents:  Tufts 5 - Keene St 1,   Springfield 4 - Keene St 0
   Springfield is a difficult team to play.  I have compared them to Amherst in terms of style, and Tufts handled Amherst 3-0 this year, so this might be a match-up favorable to the Jumbos.

Daniel Webster vs. Worcester St
   Common opponents:   DW 2 - Mithcell 0,     WS 4 - Mitchell 2
                                      DW 2 - Elms 0,          WS 6 - Elms 0
                                      DW 0 - Nichols 0,       WS 1 - Nichols 2
                                      DW 3 - Pine Manor 2,  WS 2 - Pine Manner 0
                                      DW 6 - Becker 0,        WS 4 - Becker 1
   Daniel Webster signature win:  DW 2 - Endicott 0
   Daniel Webster should be a slight favorite in this one.

Babson vs. St. Josephs (Me)
   Common opponents:  none
    St. Josephs has only given up 7 goals in 21 games.  Signature win:  St Joes 1 - Colby 0

Brandeis vs. Western New England
   Common opponents:  Brandeis 4 - Wheaton 5,  WNE 1 - Wheaton 2
                                     Brandeis 1 - Clark 0,        WNE 1 - Clark 2
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Brother Flounder on November 07, 2016, 04:03:21 pm
Tufts vs. Springfield
   Common opponents:  Tufts 5 - Keene St 1,   Springfield 4 - Keene St 0
   Springfield is a difficult team to play.  I have compared them to Amherst in terms of style, and Tufts handled Amherst 3-0 this year, so this might be a match-up favorable to the Jumbos.

Daniel Webster vs. Worcester St
   Common opponents:   DW 2 - Mithcell 0,     WS 4 - Mitchell 2
                                      DW 2 - Elms 0,          WS 6 - Elms 0
                                      DW 0 - Nichols 0,       WS 1 - Nichols 2
                                      DW 3 - Pine Manor 2,  WS 2 - Pine Manner 0
                                      DW 6 - Becker 0,        WS 4 - Becker 1
   Daniel Webster signature win:  DW 2 - Endicott 0
   Daniel Webster should be a slight favorite in this one.

Babson vs. St. Josephs (Me)
   Common opponents:  none
    St. Josephs has only given up 7 goals in 21 games.  Signature win:  St Joes 1 - Colby 0

Brandeis vs. Western New England
   Common opponents:  Brandeis 4 - Wheaton 5,  WNE 1 - Wheaton 2
                                     Brandeis 1 - Clark 0,        WNE 1 - Clark 2

Is the Tufts game on turf or grass?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Off Pitch on November 08, 2016, 07:43:57 pm
Prediction time for New England teams:

Daniel Webster 2 - Worcester St 1

DW is 8-1 in their last 9 games (outscoring opponents 29-6) including a win over Endicott.  Howerver, DW plays in one of the weakest conferences in the country.  DW is #221 in the Massey and #217 in the Hero Sports rankings while WS is #157 in Massey and #156 in Hero (who knew the rankings were so consistent?).   I am picking the Eagles of Daniel Webster to prove a point against the Lancers.

Babson 1 - St Josephs (Maine) 0

St. Josephs enters the game with a 19 game unbeaten streak - they have only lost once all year while outscoring their opponents 40-7.  St. Josephs has not surrendered a goal in the first half of any game all season and have given up only 1 goal in their last 10 games.  They are numbers #134 and # 116 in the Massey and Hero rankings.     Babson is #37 and #39.  The Beavers are not a dynamic offensive team but are very cohesive defensively.   Babson scores early and holds on to silence the Monks.

Brandeis 2 - Western New England 1

Brandeis surged late winning 5 of the last 6 outscoring the opposition 10-2.  Brandeis is #40 in both the Massey and Hero rankings, while Western New England is #124 in both.  WNE put up 35 goals on the year, but they surrendered 34.  Remillard is dangerous for WNE, but Brandeis is too strong.  The Judges lock up the Golden Bears attack.

Tufts 2 - Springfield 2 (Tufts advances on PKs)

Tufts finished the season with a pair of 1-2 losses to Bowdoin.   Of course Tufts also finished the 2014 season with two blemishes before running the table and wining the national championship, but they had better not take Springfield lightly.  Springfield scored an impressive 69 goals on the season and play an aggressive, attacking style that is ugly most of the time.  They are not out to win a possession game, and Alvaro is dangerous from anywhere.  Tufts is #16 and #10 respectively on Massey and Hero.  Springfield is #8 on Massey and #16 on Hero.   This could be an entertaining early game that, based on rankings, maybe should have been a sweet 16 match.   

Mass- Boston 3  - Kean  1

Mass-Boston is the real deal.  They scored 68 goals on the season, and have a premier forward in Ocane Williamson (17 goals) supported by Mohamed Kenawy (16 goals).  Mass-Boston is #12 in Massey and #4 in Hero.   Kean is #36 and #43, but they stumble into the tournament with only 1 win in their last 4 games having surrendered 12 goals in that stretch.  The Beacons will be just peachy v. Kean.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 08, 2016, 08:46:08 pm
Mr.Right's New England Predictions:

Worcester St v Daniel Webster----As Off Pitch said Daniel Webster plays in a very weak league. Worcester State should have better athletes and I think they get the job done rather easily....2-0 Worcester St

Babson v St.Josephs(ME)-------I have not seen St.Joseph's(ME) play this year but they did beat Nescac foe Colby 1-0 an impressive win for their program. If Babson plays like they did against Wheaton(MA) in the Newmac Semi's they will be in trouble. I think Babson can be an offensively challenged team so if St.Joseph's plays compact and deep all game they can get a goal maybe on the counter or take the game to PK's. In years past, before Anderson's son who was a stud striker they have gotten upset by weaker teams at home when hosting. This is another one of those IMO...0-0 Draw St.Joe's in PK's.

Brandeis v WNEC--------Brandeis has been playing very well lately besides a one off loss to NYU. The biggest shock in New England circles was WNEC winning the CCC League. They beat out better sides in Endicott, Gordon and Wentworth and they won the Final 4-1. Still, WNEC is not the WNEC of old and not a good enough side to hang with a re-focused Brandeis side.  Brandeis 3-1

Tufts v Springfield--------I cannot agree with Off Pitch that this game has 4 goals in it. Springfield will sit deep and whack everything in sight. Again, they are a poor man's Amherst. They do have enough quality in midfield and forward to snag a goal but it would need to be off the counter. Tufts will dominate possession but will struggle to score in this game but I do not see Springfield breaking down a quality Tufts workmanlike defensive side.Tufts 1-0

UMASS Boston v Kean--------Toughest game to predict for me because I have not seen Kean play this year and I am not familiar with how they play. UMASS Boston has definite talent but Kean has been battle tested in the NJAC. UMASS Boston's conference just does compare to Kean's in quality but it does compare in chippy play. This is UMASS Boston's 3rd straight trip to the NCAA's so they know what they are getting into. Kean most likely thought their season was finished a week ago and would be surprised if they practiced last week more than twice. I think this game is a toss-up and if Kean is a physical side with physical strikers then UMASS Boston's defense will be in trouble because they are fast and skilled but not physical an their GK is average at best. Kean 3-2
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: OldNed on November 09, 2016, 09:38:50 am
Prediction time for New England teams:

Daniel Webster 2 - Worcester St 1

DW is 8-1 in their last 9 games (outscoring opponents 29-6) including a win over Endicott.  Howerver, DW plays in one of the weakest conferences in the country.  DW is #221 in the Massey and #217 in the Hero Sports rankings while WS is #157 in Massey and #156 in Hero (who knew the rankings were so consistent?).   I am picking the Eagles of Daniel Webster to prove a point against the Lancers.


I didn't know much about the Daniel Webster program, so I looked it up and this could be their last game ever as the school is closing at the end of the school year.  Given that, it would be pretty cool for Daniel Webster to advance to the second round.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Ommadawn on November 09, 2016, 12:47:48 pm
One of Daniel Webster's top players is Kevin Herrera, former NE Revolution Academy and USYNT pool player.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 09, 2016, 03:27:16 pm
One of Daniel Webster's top players is Kevin Herrera, former NE Revolution Academy and USYNT pool player.

Noticed that he is their leading scorer as a freshman.  Hopefully will find a good landing spot for next year.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: OldNed on November 09, 2016, 04:22:34 pm
One of Daniel Webster's top players is Kevin Herrera, former NE Revolution Academy and USYNT pool player.

Is he the same Kevin Herrera that was a freshman at UMass Lowell in 2015?
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Ommadawn on November 09, 2016, 05:50:49 pm
One of Daniel Webster's top players is Kevin Herrera, former NE Revolution Academy and USYNT pool player.

Is he the same Kevin Herrera that was a freshman at UMass Lowell in 2015?

Yes, one and the same.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: 2xfaux on November 09, 2016, 06:32:28 pm
So this kid is a hired gun being used by a D-3 school and a failed for profit school.  Please tell me that I am wrong.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: oldonionbag on November 11, 2016, 09:36:26 am
Tufts University interview with captains and Shapiro -- note Shapiro's comments re: the Nescac getting snubbed. Couldn't agree more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi1_3unYseE
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Brother Flounder on November 11, 2016, 09:49:34 am
Tufts University interview with captains and Shapiro -- note Shapiro's comments re: the Nescac getting snubbed. Couldn't agree more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi1_3unYseE

Bag, thanks for the link. Shapiro is spot on.  Class act.   It is pretty surprising that 2 teams only got in.  One way to look at it is to look at the top 6 teams in each conference.  That will show you how tough and deep the NESCAC is....
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 11, 2016, 10:59:46 am
So this kid is a hired gun being used by a D-3 school and a failed for profit school.  Please tell me that I am wrong.


LOL..."hired gun" is a bit much but this for profit school is closing its doors soon. To be Honest I thought they would cancel all athletics immediately followin their announcement of closing..
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: onetouch on November 11, 2016, 04:44:48 pm
Thanks for sharing the Shapiro link.  What a great  job he has done with that program.

I certainly think Nescac should have had another bid (the women got 5!), but I do find myself longing for the Nescac soccer of 5+ years ago.  The league is more defensive and less entertaining to watch.  While the players are fine with plenty of talent, it has been hard to watch programs like Williams, with a history of creative, dynamic attacking play, evolve into playing grind it out, defensive soccer.

Nothing wrong with it, I just don't feel  compelled to rearrange my weekends around it, and I think the league's reputation suffers as a result.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: Mr.Right on November 12, 2016, 11:07:58 am
Babson and St.Joseph's(ME) about 15 minutes in and it is a pretty even game with Babson having a chance or 2 to score. I must say St.Joseph's is a decent t eam that Babson might have trouble scoring against today. Congrats to their 2nd year Head Coach Adrian Dubois for turning this once dormant program around with apparently a couple good recruiting classes. It says he played at UNH and was an assistant coach at UC San Diego and UMASS Boston before getting the job.
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
Post by: blooter442 on November 12, 2016, 03:00:41 pm
Just landed at Logan, the Babson result was one I absolutely didn't see coming…props to Mr.Right for calling that, spot on!
Title: Re: New England Soccer Discussion
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