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Title: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: admin on August 16, 2005, 05:20:13 am
This is the new home of SCIAC discussion. Welcome aboard, everyone.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on August 16, 2005, 12:01:28 pm
Thanks, Pat!  The new format is great.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on August 16, 2005, 12:36:59 pm
Pat,

The new forum set-up looks great, nice job.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: EagleRockKid on August 16, 2005, 04:29:37 pm
Thought I'd join the new board and start up the conversation on the upcoming season. Obviously by my user name I'm partial to Oxy. Even so, I don't see how they won't repeat as SCIAC Champs.  Besides the return of superstar QB Andy Collins, they boast the finest defense in the west. I predict the tough games this year will be decided by who has the best defense.

Oxy returns the Defensive Player of the Year for the past 2 years in LB
Mike Bryant. Nine of last year's defense is returning, which includes a cadre of Seniors who have started since their sophomore years, such as Kyle Stowers (FS), Andrew Gutierrez (SS), Derek Turbin (CB), and Bryant who started as a freshman.

The offense is certain to put points on the board with Collins having a number of returing standout receivers such as Ric Fukushima, Caleb Small, and Josh Jones. Not to mention the power running of Ryan Gonzalez.

I'm sure the other SCAIC teams are hungry for another shot at OXY. The season promises to be exciting.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d-train on August 16, 2005, 04:40:46 pm
...the finest defense in the west.

Are you sure about that Kid? ::) Did you mean the finest in the southwest part of California?  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on August 16, 2005, 05:10:00 pm
Quote
Besides the return of superstar QB Andy Collins, they boast the finest defense in the west

Collins is a nice player but "superstar"......Collins would be the 3rd best QB in the NWC alone behind Elliott and Joel Clark (Whitworth).  I like Collins but was he even a West Region Honable Mention?

now for the "finest defense in the west"....now I'm not sure what defense you're talking about but the Oxy defense that I saw gave up 56 pts. to Linfield in 3 quarters before Linfield shut down their offense during the 4th quarter.  Oxy's defense isn't all of that.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on August 16, 2005, 05:28:55 pm
Oxy's defense will be very good this year, not sure about the best in the West though. They will have at least one loss in the SCIAC this year for sure.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: EagleRockKid on August 16, 2005, 05:39:19 pm
O.K.   I'm the new guy here. I figured since I was posting on the
SCIAC board (i.e. southern Cali.) My predictions would be interpreted
for SCIAC teams.  I'll make my predictions for the Western Region later
in the season when I get a better feel for all of the Region teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PitDawg on August 16, 2005, 07:16:29 pm
Bryant is slightly overratted watch for another sciac backer to claim D player of the year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on August 16, 2005, 11:24:42 pm
PitDawg-

Care to point out who that backer will be?

Bryant won the award last year even though there were other players (like Longhurst) with better numbers and arguably greater impact on the game.  My point is that even though he is a great player, Bryant's rep gives him quite a headstart on other candidates who may be more qualified.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on August 17, 2005, 09:56:14 am
ERKid...good for you! You got a taste of your board after your first post!
Does OXY return that very tall receiver who was injured at the end of last season?
Seemed to me that was a great option set-up inside the 6 with Collins running or looping the ball up.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lights On on August 17, 2005, 10:58:39 am
First time posting and Oxy fan. Will try to add some support to the eaglerockkid's  comments, but I'm not 100% sold on the defense. Offense will be solid. I'm hopeful for another winning season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: EagleRockKid on August 17, 2005, 12:34:44 pm
Yes, I hear the tall kid (Sam Betty) 6'7" is scheduled to return. He had to leave early last season due to what I believe was a bout with mono.  He will definitely be another target for Collins.  Watch out for that lob pass to him in the corner of the endzone. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on August 17, 2005, 06:12:12 pm
PC,
Nice to see the new site.  Just in time for the season.  Hopefully, this minimizes the traffic problems on Saturdays.

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on August 17, 2005, 06:13:56 pm
I was "OxyFan" on the old board, looks like my d3hoops user name got converted over to this.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 17, 2005, 06:36:52 pm
The Eagle has landed.

To all suppoters of the S.C.I.A.C. Continue to support the league.

So far, I must agree that within the S.C.I.A.C, Oxy has a chance to repeat their quest for a championship. Each single game will determine who will be crowned the champ, yet i see no challenge besides Redlands that can match Oxy's Talent. Cal Luthern doesn't seem as domaint as they used to be in the past, Redlands always shows up with a two face. Pomona, Claremont, La Vern, and whittier, well lets just say can they all reach somewhere above .500. What can i say, these are just my opinions. Anywho's, Anything can happen on any given saturday.


Go tigers
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawgs57 on August 17, 2005, 11:58:57 pm
Redlands always shows up with a two face?  What exactly does that mean?  OXY has had 2 good seasons in the last 8 years, and the rest have been owned by UR (aside from the anomoly of Whittier taking it in 98). 

Oxy is on the map, and the Dawgs have taken notice, but the attitude that Oxy has the run of the block is a little much.  I look forward to seeing how the changes on the Redlands staff work out, but it sounds like recruiting went well.

Lots of questions for the Dawgs though.  Pity that they don't make it out to play CC to pad their sked like some other teams in the West - I guess I'll have to spend some cabbage and get back out to Cali....

Anyway, its nice to see some other schools posting.

Go Dawgs...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on August 18, 2005, 10:26:34 am
I am an iditot!!  PAT ifyou read this can you let me know how to start a new topic on the boards???  Or if anybody reads this please help me out!  I have a masters degree, but can't figure out how to post on the new site...maybe the University of Redlands should look at its graduates before handing out degrees...any help is appericated guys!!!

Thanks.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on August 18, 2005, 10:36:46 am
Nevermind...guess it worked!!!  I got confused when it said reply..instead of new topic!!! Now all I need is a spell check and I am ready to go!!  Looks great Pat.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 18, 2005, 12:04:17 pm
The Eagle has landed

To all the fans, Whats up!!!!!!!!

This forum is actually working pretty well. Anywho's, this post-up is in regard to what i meant that Relands shows up with a two face.
To keep it simple, Redlands prides itself with its past success, which is great. However, during the past five years, the redlands team that has taken the field has yet to accomplish what it used to do in the past.

The most recent S.C.I.A.C crowns that redlands has had come in seasons in which they didn't do that well statistically on Offense or defense. Let's just say that they did indeed win one game at a time. But, they were not dominant.

During the past five years, Oxy and other teams have lost to relands just by a slim margin, which means that Other teams could careless what the redlands teams of the past did. Its great to hear about the past, but man, this is the present. You can't live the past.  THis is the present

The S.C.I.A.C is an open league, but as all champions know, the road to success comes through them. Based on the present statistics and no change of coaches, Oxy has a far better chance than redlands or just about anyother team.

In the mean time, just think about this "Anything can happen on any given saturday"
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on August 18, 2005, 01:57:19 pm
So Redlands should not be proud of it's success over the last fifteen years? What a bunch of crap. I guess Linfield shouldn't be proud of their 49 consecutive winning seasons either.  Redlands has owned the SCIAC for the last fifteen years and this is fact. They will be back, Oxy better not half-step.

What is funny to me is all the Oxy fans that have come out of the woodwork over the last year. You guys pound your chest about Oxy this and Oxy that based on one season. Where were you when Oxy was down and out? Why were you not here representing your school/program over the last few years. The answer is that you are fairweather fans.  Just wait until Oxy falls on their face whether it be this year or the next few, you will disappear.

In 1995 Redlands went 4-5, I guess they should have just packed it in and dwelled in the past. No they went on to be SCIAC champs the next year and have won 6/9 SCIAC Championships since.

Hmmm......Redlands wen't 4-5 last year, you better be working Oxy because I know Redlands is.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 18, 2005, 02:51:03 pm
RFB,

Don't get me wrong about having pride for it the past. But, as I mentioned Look at the present.

Redlands has owned the SCIAC for the last fifteen years and this is fact???? Man, didn't you here your boy claiming that Whitter did fine in 98 or how about La Vern in the early 90's. Seems that a redlands Fan would always think about the past.


The only reason why so Oxy fans have been showing support is because now there is a way to do this. Most of us never had a method such as this one to show the fan fair. So get with the program. THis appears to be a new system for Football.


As for the past year, great for Oxy. The only just became the only school in S.C.I.A.C histroy to reach to the final 8. Last time, I checked Redland never got that far.

Once again I am glad that a system like this is in Place. Now, you can hear from the Fan's. Where were you when Oxy was down and out? Why were you not here representing your school/program over the last few years???? Well, because there was no avenue in the past to let it out. But, this is the present.

Just wait until Oxy falls on their face whether it be this year or the next few, you will disappear???? And i bet you'll be boasting about Redlands at that time. Last time Oxy fell after a very dominating 2001 season. The following year the team was 5-4 and then 7-2 and until what you saw last year. Sure we can go back to 1999, but like i said this posting system was not in place. 


Sounds great that Redlands is working and i bet the other schools are to. Just remember to hope that they don't come out to being 4-5 again
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on August 18, 2005, 03:20:21 pm
"Redlands has owned the SCIAC for the last fifteen years and this is fact? Man, didn't you here your boy claiming that Whitter did fine in 98 or how about La Vern in the early 90's. Seems that a redlands Fan would always think about the past.

Redlands has owned the SCIAC over the last fifteen years. They were SCIAC champs in (1990, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003). That sure looks pretty lopsided to me.


"The only reason why so Oxy fans have been showing support is because now there is a way to do this. Most of us never had a method such as this one to show the fan fair. So get with the program. THis appears to be a new system for Football."

Wrong, d3football.com and post patterns has been here since 2001. Nice try though.


"As for the past year, great for Oxy. The only just became the only school in S.C.I.A.C histroy to reach to the final 8. Last time, I checked Redland never got that far."

True, and I gave Oxy the respect they deserved for last season. But the truth is that they would not have gotten a home playoff game and a favorable seeding if not for Redlands. Redlands has four playoff appearances since 1990, all on the road against the #1 seed in the West. It was Redlands hard nosed, competitve play and representation of the SCIAC that paved and helped set-up Oxy to be in a good place to make their run.

But I am sure you will say I am living in the past when in reality a true fan of the SCIAC and DIII football would understand that. 











Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on August 18, 2005, 03:40:56 pm
BrownEagle and RFB,

You're both wrong....post patterns has been since 1999.....I know because I've been posting on here since 1999. 

The Redland group of fans have been the most frequent and vocal posters on this board and there has been very few Oxy backers until some recently showed up.  I think it's great that Oxy fans are coming on the board.  It's only human nature that they are now "just showing up" with last years team's success.

In terms of playoffs....BrownEagle you should be thanking the University of Redland's football team.  They did do the heavy lifting to get the SCIAC some respect for playing SJU and Linfield tough on the road in the past in the playoffs.  Without those two performances there was no way Oxy would have hosted a beat-up Willamette squad in the first round.

However, Oxy does have bragging rights about being in the final eight.  True, they didn't have to go to a SJU or Linfield in the first round but that's not Oxy's fault.  They won two playoff games before getting steamrolled up at Linfield.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on August 18, 2005, 03:49:29 pm
WC11,

Wow, I was way off. This site has been here for a long time.

You're right about Oxy having bragging rights, they deserved it. I was just looking for acknowledgement for Redlands and you gave that. Something Oxy fans will not do.

It's going to be a fun season. Redlands at Whitworth is going to be shootout.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PitDawg on August 18, 2005, 03:51:19 pm
Anyone have news on Pomona, last year they were a bit down but return most of their team... ???
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on August 18, 2005, 04:01:47 pm
I have not heard anything about Pomona. Hopefully they got a good coach to replace Caron, he ran a very tight football program.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 18, 2005, 04:25:34 pm
Great, I was way off myself. I never knew the post patterns have been in commission since 1999. I just thought they were recently placed up for the upcoming season. But thanks for clearing that up. Hopefully, all school fans will be vocal as some of you guys have been doing for the past. As i mentioned this is a good avenue to post up opinions.

Lets just say that was my rookie mistake.  By the way, sure let me say thanks for helping pave the way for a playoffs. That sure did help. But one quick notation (1990, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003) If you can count right, which i assume you can right????  that banner says 9 and not 15. Better luck with the math next time..


Like a said indeed the season will be just like any other given saturday.

WC11 thanks for the info....

Good day to you all

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on August 18, 2005, 04:37:30 pm
I never said Redlands had won 15 SCIAC championships is a row. When I say owned I meant that they have been the dominating program in the SCIAC. When you have doubled the next closest program Laverne (1993, 1994, 1995) in SCIAC championships I would say the rest of the conference has been owned. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on August 18, 2005, 04:38:56 pm
Oh yeah, I can count just fine. I cannot say the same for your grammar/spelling.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on August 18, 2005, 10:51:54 pm
RFB-

I think you know how much respect the vast majority of the posters here have for Redlands success in the conference.  I believe the problem many people have with the claim of Redlands having "owned it" for the past 15 years is that it clashes with LaVerne's success between 1993-95, a three year span in which the Leos flat out dominated the rest of the conference.  I think your claim of ownership gives pause to those of us who watched those LaVerne teams - as their great success occurred within your fifteen year time frame.  Redlands has indeed been very successful, but '''ownership" to me implies that no one else enjoyed great success during that time.  Just my two cents...

Speaking of LaVerne, I'm trying to figure out if there have ever been ULV posters on this board.  Any Leo lurkers out there?  I bring it up because many people on the board expect LaVerne to field a strong team this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on August 19, 2005, 12:36:39 am
Scandihoovian,

I speak from experience as I played against all of those Laverne teams. They were very good, no doubt about it. The 1995 Laverne team was sick and went 9-0 and missed the playoffs, go figure.

Laverne went to the 1994 playoffs and got blown out by St. Johns. I can understand losing to a better team but they did not help the SCIAC's reputation by trashing the hotel. The 1995 Laverne team was twice as better as the 1994 team, I feel they were left out because of how they represented the SCIAC off the field the year before. I know that Laverne team would have went deep in the playoffs, but it's just my opinion so who knows.

Laverne in 1996 was just as good and beat Chapman who was very good. We played Laverne at their home field, the last game of the season and won in overtime to re-capture the SCIAC championship after a three year abscence. It was the craziest game I have ever played in, I still flash back to that game every year around this time when fall/football is in the air.

Yes, Laverne dominated for those three years. But Redlands in 1996 put that streak to an end. Laverne was the heavy favorite that day and jumped out to a 14-0 lead. If they win that day it would have been four straight for them and who knows after that. They didn't get it done and have not been heard from in almost ten years while Redlands has went on a big run.

That sure looks like ownership to me.

RFB
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on August 19, 2005, 10:15:32 am
RFB,

We all respect what Redlands has done in the past.  Whether it be Oxy, Redlands, or whoever...come playoff time, we all should be cheering for our representative.  I seem to remember a lot of posters last fall showed support for Oxy regardless of their own affiliation.

Here's to a good season.  I stil think Oxy has the offensive firepower to win the league and advance far into the playoffs.  Who knows, a 1st round home game (again) would be great!

TigersFan aka OxyFan.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 19, 2005, 12:30:24 pm
S.C.I.A.C fans,

Is there any word on other teams like claremont, whittier, pomona, or La Vern? What do you guys project from their respective schedules? How would you guys project the outcome of the league this year?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawgs57 on August 19, 2005, 06:44:02 pm
I'll root for ay SCIAC school in the playoffs other than Cal Who.  No program that has accomplished less has ever talked more smack - EVER.

I'm cool with OXY - For the most part, their guys kept their mouths shut and just played - and when they did talk, it wasn't empty like the Who chumps.

 ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on August 19, 2005, 10:59:34 pm
RFB-

I guess I'll have to respectfully disagree about the definition of ownership as it relates to LaVerne in the early 1990's.  You did indicate that LaVerne was on the verge of a fourth straight title until Redlands beat them in '96, a pretty strong record for a team you will not concede was in command of the conference.  I'll grant you that Redlands success since your senior year has been unparalleled in the conference, and I can see why you'd be especially proud of that.

Dawgs57-

In the two years or so that I have been reading this board you have essentially repeated your last post over and over again.  I find it ironic that someone so offended by supposed "trash talk" does little other than talk trash himself.  I am sure you have something better to offer the board.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: paohca on August 20, 2005, 03:26:17 pm
Breaking news out of the Cal.Lutheran U.Football camp.

Vinnis Ezrins Stootsky did indeed report for football practice on time August 19,2005 and got his uniform.He brought his 2 wheel ice cream cart back to campus but will not start selling ice cream goodies until the other students return to campus August 27,2005.Briscoe "stomp" reported that Vilnis Mommy took him shopping for his new back to school clothes and needed supplies.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawgs57 on August 20, 2005, 05:23:22 pm
You're right - but it's easy...and after a 6 month sabbatical, I have to get the juices flowing somehow.

I do rip on the Who a lot.  Probably more than necessary.   Let me clarify - trash talk on the board is one thing, talk on the field is something else entirely.  I never really understood the reason for telling a guy you were gonna put him on his back and that you were going to crush the other team when you clearly couldn't compete.  And it was a consistent theme.  If you don't understand it, I'm sorry, but I don't think I'm the only ex-Dawg that feels that way.

Unfortunately, it's all I have to dwell upon as D3 Football in Colorado is basically non-existent, and I rarely get out to So.Cal.  So it's just something you may have to put up with.

I really think that how I really feel and how it comes across about being offended by all the trash talk on the board can get confused.  I don't care all that much (I care a little) if people are ripping on Redlands.  Thats fine.  It's natural and this stuff goes in cycles.

I'm not in the SCIAC loop so if some of the posts seem a devoid of any real depth - oh well. 

Every program has something different to hang its' helmet on at any one point in time.  At this point, Bulldog Alumni have our historical / cyclical performances, and we will beat that dead horse until the winds of fortune blow back through The Runner.  And WHEN that happens, we'll see if the OXY fans stick around here to dwell on their own potentially dominant run.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on August 21, 2005, 12:36:33 pm
dawgs57-

I appreciate your response, and I hope the SCIAC SIDs continue to improve so that you can keep up with what's going on out here.  I know that Whittier and LaVerne's sites have improved a great deal in the last year.  Redlands site is still the class of the conference, but at least there are 3-4 other conference schools with decent sites now.

I agree. it will be intersting to see what kind of staying power the new Oxy posters have.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldgiant on August 22, 2005, 11:57:11 am
The improvements to the football site at Whittier are to be commended.  Coach Carlson and his staff have been working very hard to upgrade all aspects of the football prgram at Whittier.  With 90+ players reporting for the start of practice, Whittier is continuing on the right track.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: paohca on August 22, 2005, 02:01:09 pm
 The California Lutheran University Kingsmen have a new webpage under construction and when it becomes available for release it will be posted.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on August 22, 2005, 02:19:58 pm
150 reported for camp at Redlands, very high number.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PitDawg on August 24, 2005, 08:45:12 am
Pomona has a Scrimmage vs. Mt San Jacinto JC Thursday, anyone going?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: paohca on August 24, 2005, 03:31:40 pm
California Lutheran University Kingsmen will scrimmage Santa Barbara City College at Santa Barbara 6:30 pm Saturday August 27,2005.Be there for all the action!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: EagleRockKid on August 24, 2005, 03:35:53 pm
And Occidental will scrimmage College of the Canyons,
who ended last season as the #1 nationally rated JC
team. They will meet at 6:00 pm on the Oxy field on
Friday, 08-26-05
.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 24, 2005, 06:20:41 pm
The Eagle has landed,

So far, i am glad to hear that the other S.C.I.A.C schools are gearing up for the upcoming season. In addition, thanks to those who pointed out that there will be scrimmages coming up soon. Although, the scrimmages do not count, they will definately let the schools know how the teams are doing.

The staying power for fans will be buy far more supportive. I know that since i learned about these post patterns I will do my best to still root for my team. 

It seems interesting to hear what the fans have said about WHo talks smack, who has pride or who is striving to reach for that pride. Throughout the past four years that i had played at one of the S.C.I.A.C school's (2000-2004) I have witness how each school and their players feel about any school.  The Cal Lu's v.s redlands, The oxy v.s. redlands fued, the battle for the drum, the battle for the shoes, the battle for the peace pipe (hahah, peace pipe) all of these have been very traditional hated fueds. But buy most, what some of you players from the past have mention, most of that smack talking has stopped.

The last time i heared the redlands team talk smack they ended up losing the conferance in 2001. In 2002 they barely beat Oxy in a double over time and buy a fumble by us in 2003. Cal Lu never said anythiny. (They just wanted to join our victory celebration at times....and i kid you not, there was a time that a player from cal lu that asked us if he could join our celebrations after we beat them for one of our homecomings. Overall, Players have shown sportmenship. Sure, there has been that individual smack talking. But over all, it just the nature of this great game..


Go Oxy 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on August 24, 2005, 11:14:28 pm
Browneagle64,

I bet you were a math major, yes?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on August 24, 2005, 11:19:20 pm
RFB-
Whatever it was, it must have been something that did not require much keyboarding and/or proofreading...


That Oxy-COC scrimmage sounds like the best of the lot.  COC is a strong program, they're just a little nuts about their football up in the Santa Clarita Valley.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on August 24, 2005, 11:38:37 pm
BrownEagle,

I notice you have 64 at the end of your handle..was that your number???  If it was then maybe you and I mixed it up a bit!!  Both games against Oxy were career games for me...so I am sure I handed it to you....

I went 1 and 1 against you guys...I think we did have the better team in 2002, but you guys could have won the game......why the hell were you throwing the ball with 3 minutes to go in the game when you were winning????  An interception by one of our linebackers and it was tied.....what could have been!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lights On on August 25, 2005, 11:18:24 am
great point redlandsfan-"why the hell were you throwing the ball with 3 minutes to go in the game when you were winning?"
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: onearmedscot on August 25, 2005, 11:23:44 am
Keeping it real in the West!!
Below is my fantasy team for 2005!

The One Armed Scots
Pos.  Player (Pos.Rk)  School

QB  Brett Elliott (1) Linfield
QB  Brian Schumacher (19) Concordia Moorhead
RB  Ryan Gonzales ( 8 ) Oxy
RB  Tyler Sherden (13) Luther
RB  Corey Weber (21) SJU
RB  Dan Hammes (67) Wartburg
WR  Jesse Schmidt (12) BVU
WR  Kyle Gearman (19) SJU
WR  Jared Thomas (66) Linfield
WR  Horace Grant (NR) St. Olaf
K  Cameron Collings (5) Whitworth
D  St. John's Def. (3) SJU
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawgs57 on August 25, 2005, 05:22:29 pm
My SCIAC Fantasy Team:

QB : Danny Ragsdale - UR
RB: Sean Cheatam - UR
WR: Chad Hustead - UR
TE: Melvin White - UR
K/P: Sean Lipscomb - UR
Team D - Who needs one with those skill positions?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on August 25, 2005, 06:34:14 pm
Dawgs,

Just make sure that Ragsdale isn't playing against Linfield's defense....I'm sure he still thinks about that 48-0 bashing at the 'Catdome in 1999.   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawgs57 on August 25, 2005, 10:16:36 pm
Ragdale isn't the guy who lost 3 fumbles while we were moving the football and still in the game in the first half.  I won't name names, but the running back was a "Bear."
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on August 26, 2005, 02:03:35 pm
There's a little love for the D3 & SCIAC way of things in this morning's LA Times sports section.  You do need to read all the way through to the end of the article where Pomona's Katsiaficas and Oxy's Widolff are quoted.

go to:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/usc/la-sp-seniors26aug26,1,2936787.story?coll=la-headlines-sports&ctrack=1&cset=true
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on August 27, 2005, 10:07:28 am
Any info on the scrimmages,  Oxy or PP ?, I did not catch if Redlands had a scrimmage?  Also Redlands Fan, have you seen how Charles Coleman is doing so far, off to Santa Barbara to see Cal Lu, Fall and Football are getting close.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CarloRossiLep on August 27, 2005, 02:48:24 pm
ULV scrimmaged against Fullerton City College on Thursday.  Through the grapevine I hear they handled them pretty well.  The Leps should do well this year.  They have a lot of good returners on both sides of the ball and the offensive coaching staff has stayed the same for the first time in about 5 seasons.

Hail to the Orange!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: onearmedscot on August 27, 2005, 10:44:27 pm
In prepping for The Kickoff season preview I spoke with at least one SCIAC coach who was slightly concerned about the talent returning at La Verne.  They should have a pretty sweet passing attack.

OneArmedScot

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: river on August 28, 2005, 12:26:33 am
There's a little love for the D3 & SCIAC way of things in this morning's LA Times sports section. You do need to read all the way through to the end of the article where Pomona's Katsiaficas and Oxy's Widolff are quoted.

go to:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/usc/la-sp-seniors26aug26,1,2936787.story?coll=la-headlines-sports&ctrack=1&cset=true

All's you have to do to get some front page sports coverage of SCIAC teams by the LA Times is to get the NY Times to do a story on your DIII championship QB or have a woman soccer player kick a few field goals or extra points.  Journalistic competition, you know.   :) :) ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: river on August 28, 2005, 01:40:00 am
...or have a former football coach at a SCIAC school who signs a multi-million dollar contract renewal at a D-I school, and who resists offers to interview with Stanford, Washington, and Notre Dame.... :) :) ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on August 29, 2005, 12:30:36 am
Was wondering if the Oxy scrimmage with College of the Canyons went OK, I heard that the Canyons were tuff on them but heck they would usually be tuff on alot of D1 schools, anyway what little info I got was hear say so I don't put alot into it, anyone watch the scrimmage Friday? Watched Cal Lu at Santa Barbara, CLU looked good in some aspects and a ways to go in other  parts of their game, Man that SBCC statium is a nice venue, well worth the drive, was good to see the kids out there playing and no major injuries on either side.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lights On on August 29, 2005, 11:08:58 am
Oxy looked fine on friday. Tough to measure how well they played just based on the talent College of the Canyons had, which was unreal.  But the offensive timely looked great and the defense reacted well. Should be well prepared for the season opener against Chapman. The new field turf is amazing as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PitDawg on August 30, 2005, 01:16:54 pm
Any previews of this weekends games??? :-\
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: onearmedscot on August 30, 2005, 01:24:33 pm
College of the Canyons?  You mean J.J. Arrington's old stomping grounds?

OneArmedScot
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on August 30, 2005, 11:55:08 pm
I was just looking around on the College of the Canyons site and found this link with pictures of the scrimmage against Oxy.

http://www.canyons.edu/offices/athletics/football/05season/2005photos.html

TigersFan aka OxyFan.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PitDawg on August 31, 2005, 01:32:16 pm
Is Oxy really that good or is it hype?

Not too much Redlands talk this year are they down?

La Verne?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lights On on August 31, 2005, 04:27:11 pm
obviously, they "won." why would a C of C photographer take pictures of Occidental players to be posted on a C of C website? Common sense?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on August 31, 2005, 06:49:29 pm
C of C did win. But only by a touchdown late in the fourth quater. Overall, the game was really a tune-up for two good teams. Both offense on each respective team did their part. Co C offense did fine. Yet, You would expect that coming from an O. Corridinator that work at Oxy a few years back. Overall, both defensive teams were just as good.

SO besides that, In my opinion, oxy looks like they are ready to go. They should do just fine in the S.C.I.A.C. and repeat their goals.

I must agree that the field turf at the school is really a beauty. Especially, during this heat wave in Southern California.

 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on August 31, 2005, 06:52:04 pm
The field turf does look nice......except for the bright soccer lines mucking up the surface.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChiTownOxyMoron on September 01, 2005, 02:05:32 pm
Go Tigers!

It sounds like Oxy should be ready for the opener. There should only be a few spots to fill from people graduating. Anybody know the score from the scrimmage with C of C? I was wondering if it was all offense, all defense or a balance of the two.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on September 01, 2005, 06:02:40 pm
It looks like one more week until all the exciting games start for the S.C.I.A.C teams. If this is wrong, let us know who will be playing this weekend.

Anywho's, hopefully all the teams are tuning up and not milling around like sheep for their first games.  I hope all the camps across the league went well. What are your predictions for each 1st game played by the S.C.I.A.C schools?



Go Tigers!!!

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CarloRossiLep on September 01, 2005, 10:38:05 pm
I say ULV gives it to PP pretty good this year.  The games have been close the past few years but the Leps have too much talent coming back this year for the Hens to keep up with 'em.  ULV wins 31-7.


Hail to the Orange!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on September 02, 2005, 11:36:11 am
Oxy had some run in the LA Times today

When Small is Big (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-locals2sep02,1,3540085.story?coll=la-headlines-sports)

Excerpts:

---Occidental officials distributed Elite Eight rings to commemorate the playoff run, but Tiger Coach Dale Widolff says he doesn't worry that his players will get hung up on past accomplishments.

"We've been locking them up and saying, 'That's last year. Let's worry about this year,' " Widolff said.


---Widolff said Occidental didn't want to schedule Azusa Pacific because Azusa Pacific, unlike Occidental and other Division III schools, can provide some scholarship money to about 50 players, allowing it to attract Division II-caliber athletes.

"It's kind of a different animal," Widolff said. "They would be very, very tough."
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 02, 2005, 02:43:55 pm
Thanks for posting the article, Wildcat.

It cracks me up that Azusa wants to boohoo about the fact that SCIAC schools no longer want to play them.  That should have been readily apparent to them when they made the decision to start pumping serious money into their program during the 1990's.  I know there's an argument to be made for seeking strong non conference competition, but not at the risk of suffering costly injuries at the hands of an oversized opponent.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PitDawg on September 02, 2005, 02:45:21 pm
PP wins 21-17
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 02, 2005, 03:10:13 pm
PitDawg-

If you're right then props to Pomona, but I think most of the board will be shocked if the Leos don't roll the Hens.  A Pomona win might make a lot of folks re-evaluate LaVerne...

I'll add my own prediction:

ULV 31, PP 17
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on September 02, 2005, 06:46:01 pm


I also think this game will be won by U.L.V  around the same score that others are predicting.  The hens are making changes that will take them to the bottom of the league this year. That's just my prediction.

21-14.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on September 03, 2005, 02:37:59 pm
I gotta go with the flow and pick the Leos 24-14 but that might be too close, LaVerne is gonna surprise some folks this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CarloRossiLep on September 03, 2005, 11:26:39 pm
PP leads 7 to 6 over ULV at the half.  La Verne sounds like they are playing really uptight.  Lots of dropped passes.  PP only has 7 so the D is doing pretty well.  It's hard to tell whats really going on though because the KULV radio team sucks!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CarloRossiLep on September 03, 2005, 11:40:30 pm
Either the PP redzone defense is awesome or the ULV redzone offense is garbage!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CarloRossiLep on September 04, 2005, 12:43:12 am
ULV wins a sloppy one 20 to 17.  Not that impressive but they got it done.  I am PUMPED.
 
Hail to the ORANGE!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on September 04, 2005, 12:18:11 pm
Sounds like the Leos backed into this one and was hard to get a feel for which team played well, if either one, but its early, just tuff being a league game that early in the season, kinda starts you out in a hole.  I see Menlo lost to McMurray, 40 - 30, and Menlo showed some offense, but defense broke down, only reason for mentioning this is several SCIAC teams play Menlo, and they are slideing into the NWC this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on September 06, 2005, 10:57:42 am
Twoducks,

You have old info - most SCIAC schools won't play Menlo anymore - this year, only Whittier will play Menlo.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on September 06, 2005, 12:07:59 pm
Redlands looked good in their schrimmage.  Looks like it might be hard to run on the front 8 this year, it was nice to see some guys a bit more active and running around.  The secondary had issues at times, the players were in position to make plays, but didn't.  I am sure the boys will iron that out before making the trip up to the pacific northwest this weekend.

Good luck dogs!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 06, 2005, 12:24:25 pm
rbaikie-

CLU plays Menlo as well, hence TwoDucks interest in the Oaks.

It will be interesting to see how Menlo's venture into the NWC plays out.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on September 06, 2005, 02:05:42 pm
sorry - missed that one -

I thought last year was the end of that contract
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: paohca on September 06, 2005, 03:18:22 pm
The California Lutheran University Kingsmen of the Great City of Thousand Oaks Ca.beats the Pacific Lutheran Lutes of Tacoma Wash. 31-20 in a Hard fought battle.Coach Scott Squires has the men ready to play  ball 2005. Be there for all the action and check out all the construction going on at the "North Campus".When finished will be one of the finest sports complexes in all d-3 sports.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on September 07, 2005, 01:12:46 am
rbaikie, yea I know the Oaks are going to the NWC next year, I thought there might have been a couple more games but for me its kinda like a home game as Atherton is only a couple hours away and an easy drive to see Cal Lu play,  I also am wondering if the Oaks can compete with the kids up north, my idea is maybe middle of the pack but not at the top or even close.
Redlands Fan, how is Charles Coleman looking so far, hope the kid has a great year for you guys, keep your good eye on him for me please, and good luck.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on September 07, 2005, 10:51:40 am
About the OAKS competing n the NWC, I think for the most part, they will be middle of the pack. They tend to be kind of cyclical, so probably ever couple of years, they might contend for the #2 spot, but also every couple of years, they will probably be in the bottom of the league.

I have been watching Menlo football since 1970 or so and they haven't ever been able to build a program that consistently wins 7 or 8 games a year. Over long periods, they have a winning record but it tends to hover between .550 and .650.

Maybe with the stability of being in a league and playing a number of teams year in and year out might help to strengthen the program. Being "isolated" in Northern California has made it tough to get consistent opponents. Throughout the years since turning D3 (early 80's), Menlo has played everybody in the SCIAC and there once was even talk about becoming an associate member, but that bombed out. I think it was because the SCIAC schools didn't want to be locked into a trip to Northern Cal once every two years. They wanted to be able to choose their long trips.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on September 07, 2005, 01:07:36 pm
S.C.I.A.C fans

Saturday is coming by so soon. What are your predictions for this week?

Here are my picks


Colorado College 32 Whittier 20
Pomona-Pitzer 21  Puget Sound 14
 Whitworth 32 Redlands 21
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 14 Kings Point 32
Cal Lutheran 24 Pacific Lutheran 34
Occidental 32 Chapman 14
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on September 07, 2005, 01:52:10 pm
My prediction for this weekend goes like this:

Redlands over Whitworth 21-17!!!

Redlands passing game looked good in the schrimmage, they were throwing the deep ball a bunch....4 and 5 wide almost every play....I just hope we can find a running game.  Whitworths strong running game could give Redlands some trouble with that 4-3 the dogs are running...maybe we can cheat a safety into the box......

Does anyone know if the game will be on the radio??? 

Go Bulldogs!

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on September 07, 2005, 02:05:32 pm
Gray Fox -

Do you have a link? - when I pulled up their website, I didn't see him.

Didn't he play in at least one game last year? What are the rules about moving up divisions? Is he eligible this year?
 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 07, 2005, 02:15:52 pm
Joe Johnson, transfer running back from Utah left Redlands after three practices. A previous article said he was pretty burned out on football after leaving Utah.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 07, 2005, 02:18:45 pm
Hopefully Redlands has infused some new talent on defense. Looks like they got some good transfers in.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PitDawg on September 07, 2005, 02:45:30 pm
Pitzer over P.S. 21-7.

Redlands wins 24-10

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 07, 2005, 02:48:26 pm
Seems like that tends to happen with "bounce back kids"  they have often had enough of the game - Brett Elliott (of Linfield) and Collins at Oxy seem to be the exception rather than the rule.

Anybody have nominations for an all SCIAC historic bounce back team?

I'm going to stay out of the prediction business, don't want to bring any bad Karma to the SCIAC.  It's pretty critical for our teams to play well vs. the NWC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tuxguy on September 07, 2005, 02:53:21 pm
I say the NWC goes 3-0 against your boys this week! Phone it In!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 07, 2005, 03:27:38 pm
We can't hear you, busy signal.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on September 07, 2005, 03:52:04 pm
Am kinda surprised about the Johnson kid from Utah but the kids at Redlands are better off if his heart isn't in it, D3 also approaches and looks at things alittle differnt then D1, seems the kids play for the love of the game
Anyway here are my perdictions:
Oxy 28- Chapman 14
Claremount 21- Kings Point 24
Colorado 14- Whitter10
Pomona/Pitzer 21- Puget Sound 18
Whitmore 28- Redlands 27
Cal Lu 28- PLU 21
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 07, 2005, 04:22:23 pm
Tuxguy-

I think you got your numbers transposed   ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tuxguy on September 07, 2005, 05:38:40 pm
Football season is here. Let The GAMES begin! I think UPS might open some eyes this yr. PLU will be good, just a yr or 2 away with 3rd yr coach. Whitworth is for real, good QB & WR's (IMHO)should be  an interesting preseason. The only time we get to see a SCIA team play the Cats is in post season. Good luck to all this weekend   "GO WILDCATS"  50 in 05
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on September 07, 2005, 07:03:01 pm
PitDawg-

I don't think there is any way Whitworth is held to 10.  They will put up some points.  I think it will be a good game but a shootout.  Traditionally two good offenses going at it...I would lean towards Whitworth after they played Linfield so well last year but they did lose some guys.  They still have their QB though, who is a good one.  Should come down to the wire!  Good luck with your opener, Linfield should have their hands full as well. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 07, 2005, 07:16:52 pm
Redlands vs. Whitworth is going to be a good one, wish I could see it in person. I forsee a shootout just like last year.

My prediction:

Redlands   35
Whitworth 34
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 07, 2005, 08:46:31 pm
If young Master Elway is transferring down from Division III to Division I, he must sit out a year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 07, 2005, 11:02:28 pm
I think RFB's right - it's another shootout.  While Redlands traditionally starts the season slowly, I'll give them the edge if they can get out to an early lead and build some confidence.

I'm surprised so many of you NWC guys are backing the Lutes - sounds like they lost a number of starters off of last year's slightly disappointing team...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on September 07, 2005, 11:35:42 pm
I gotta agree with you scandihoovan, but remember the SCIAC is an upstart and has just started to make a ripple in the D3 pic., PLU has tradition and a coach with a known name, I think Squires played for his dad if I am not wrong, its just my hope that all the SCIAC teams can bring a few W's to the league, it would be a nice way to start the season and gain alittle respect.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CarloRossiLep on September 08, 2005, 01:22:49 am
I don't know much about non SCIAC teams but here are my predictions.

UPS 6  PP 0
Whitworth 38  Redlands 31
Oxy 31  Chapman 7
Kings Point 20  Claremont 10
Whittier 28 Colorado 24
PLU 24  CLU 21
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstlbu on September 08, 2005, 02:13:57 am
Wasn't UPS SCIAC North champs last season? What's with these predictions of P-P defeating the Loggers? No way it happens. Sure they only won 10-7 last season, but remember that the Loggers had lost 27 of their last 28 games and had to learn how to win again. I'm predicting more of a UPS-LaVerne score from last year, 30-13.

And what's with Pomona's head coach going on sabbatical during football season? That's one of the oddest things I've heard.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 08, 2005, 11:43:00 am
Caron went to coach at Cheshire academy back East, where his son is a freshman.  Does anyone know if this is a true sabbatical, or if there will be a national search at the end of the year?

Carlos Rossi-
Are you a NWC guy posing as a LaVerne poster?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PitDawg on September 08, 2005, 12:25:56 pm
Pitzer can surprise just about anyone,  Tough fought loss last week.  If the O could hold a drive instead of 3 and out and give the D a bit more rest they will have a chance to be in any game.  PP beat Redlands last year, and Trinity Tx the year before.  Even with all the transition they are a team striving for respect.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 08, 2005, 12:32:47 pm
The CLU preview is up.

http://ww2.clunet.edu/sports/index_detail.php?news_story_id=2283


Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on September 08, 2005, 08:11:49 pm
It was just noted on the NWC board that Lewis & Clark is suspending football this year.

They were to play 2 SCIAC schools (Oxy and CMS) as well as Chapman.

Oxy was supposed to play them on Sept. 17th.


Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2005, 08:31:37 pm
rbaikie, if you read the statement closely, it does not say what you think it says.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CarloRossiLep on September 08, 2005, 09:32:55 pm
Scandi-
If you are referring to the NWC bias in my picks I guess it's just hard for me to pick someone in the SCIAC other than the Leps to win .  I hope the teams I picked against prove me wrong.
Oh yeah, except Redlands.
And CLU.
And Claremont.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on September 09, 2005, 01:09:04 am
I guess I would have to say it's a shame that a team has to get rid of conference games, but SCIAC people might look at like Cal Tech having a football team.  I'm not saying L&C is like Cal Tech (in athletics, not academics cause nobody is like the Techsters in the classroom) but imagine if Tech had a football team.  Might not be the best way to look at it, but you could only immagine.  Still, it sure sucks to see a team do that to the rest of the conference.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on September 09, 2005, 02:23:31 am
Tom: I ain't  no engineer, but I have been led to believe that MIT is pretty much like Cal Tech in the classroom and additionally fields a DIII football team.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on September 09, 2005, 11:04:10 am
Sorry - I missed the part about Lewis & Clark only playing non conference this year.

That makes little sense - I would think that they have more of a commitment to the conference. Also, costwise - why make two trips to Southern California?

My gut feel is that there will be no football their next year either or for maybe a long time -
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2005, 11:05:43 am
I expect they have non-refundable plane tickets.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on September 09, 2005, 12:07:48 pm
Frank.  What I meant to say is that nobody in the SCIAC or on the west coast is like the Techsters.  I really had no idea that MIT had a football team, but I do know they are in a league of their own in the classroom.  Learn something new every day.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 09, 2005, 01:23:25 pm
Carlos-

No worries - although it's big for all the conference members to play well against non-conference opponents.  I think you'll find there's plenty of time to get your anti- Kingsmen/Bulldog/Stag energy out of your system during conference play  ;D

The thing with Lewis & Clark is even more extreme than what PP did about 8-9 years ago when they pulled out the conference so that they wouldn't have to play a select few teams (I know CLU was one of them but I can't remember the others).  I hope that L&C is able to get things back together as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on September 09, 2005, 02:17:53 pm
I think it's a lot more extreme.

I thought that PP did it after a season so the other teams had a chance to fill in the next year's schedule.


To do it during the season is really rough and makes any trust between schools very weak.

I don't know - when a school decides to basically drop half of it's season, I think it would greatly impact recruiting going forward and make it especially tough to field a team next season.

This has a big impact on the NWC in that who makes the final decision as to how long conference schools have to wait to see if L&C is going to have a team next year? If L&C breaks this year's contract, then are the subsequent years still valid?

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on September 10, 2005, 05:38:46 pm
I really like these Whitworth announcers...they are good!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 10, 2005, 07:42:28 pm
Final score from Thousand Oaks:

CLU 42
PLU 35

Very exciting game, lots of great plays and lots of first game mistakes.  Both teams had trouble hanging on to the ball at times.  The Kingsmen D gave up some big plays but held several times inside the thirty where the Lutes went with a four down offense due to suspect kicking.  Nice to see the same exciting style from the Kingsmen offense that we came to love last year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 10, 2005, 08:12:58 pm
Nice win by Cal Lu, they are off to a good start.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on September 10, 2005, 08:26:44 pm
Just got home from the Cal Lu/Pac Lu game and all I have to say is WOW.  What a great game where both teams showed great class, sloppy moments, hard hitting and all around desire to win the game. 
The thing I enjoyed the most about this game was the way PLU and their fans carried themselves.  I know there is a great deal of tradition at PLU and it is great to see a team help every player, no matter which team, up off the ground.  I love the way the players held hands while running off the field.
Cal Lu, which I understand is not the classiest bunch around, did a very good job with their class as well.  It is great to see two teams huddle up in the middle of the field and each coach got a chance to speak.
Hats off to both teams for playing the game the way it should be played.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: EMAN51 on September 10, 2005, 10:57:19 pm
OXYBroadcast.com has live webstreaming of Oxy games.  14-0 Oxy over Chapman in the 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: paohca on September 12, 2005, 02:18:33 pm
Tom Brady-You have it all wrong .The Cal.Lu U. footballers are really classy guys.They don,t use profanity,they say yes sir,and no sir,and are clean living players.They are a religious bunch and never play dirty football! They never talk trash.Somebody gave you bum information Brady.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on September 12, 2005, 02:34:53 pm
Paocha,

You are killing me....Cal Lutheran is a very unclassy bunch...I am not saying we are any better at Redalnds, but get your head out of the sand
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 12, 2005, 05:54:51 pm
I hope you're right Gray Fox.  A Redlands win vs. Trinity does a great deal for the national rep of the conference.  I'm sure playing at home will help give them an edge, as well as a week of practice to iron out the kinks from Saturday...

As for the class issue, seems like we've been here before.  I know that as a spectator, one that can only watch and not hear 98% of what's said on the field, CLU's on field conduct is equal to or better than the other conference members.  I say this based on things you can see from the stands: unsportsmanlike conduct penalties, taunting, cheap hits, etc. 

I'll allow that those of you who have played have a different experience, but a lifetime of experience with competitive sports tells me that everyone encounters their opponents in a different way.  In other words, I think you could find a wide variety of former players across the conference who have had both positive and negative experiences while in competition with every school in the conference.

Tom Brady-

I agree - the positive post game experience on Saturday was a nice way to finish off a CLU win, and I think you'll find over time that the Kingsmen are representative of what is, on the whole, a classy conference.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on September 12, 2005, 08:14:04 pm
Without beating a dead horse to death the Cal Lu low class stuff is getting old, Brady, what do you base your info on, you say you understand  that they are low class, I have been to most all the games for the last couple of years and although I must admitt PLU takes sportsmanship  to another level the Cal Lu kids played hard hitting ball with no unsportsmanship penalties that I saw.  I am for every team in the SCIAC, and was really glad to see Whitter pull off a win versus Colorado, talking about the last few years I just don't see the stigma that continues. I raised one of the Cal Lu kids and I can assure you that he neither talks trash or delivers cheap shots, his play on the field is enough. These are kids and there is a large passion for the game for sure.
Redlands Fan:  any info on Charles Coleman and how he did aganist Whitworth?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 12, 2005, 10:27:29 pm
Twoducks,

I listened to the game and Charles Coleman had a few catches, but nothing gamebreaking. Alex Ballard had a big day as did a newcomer by the name of Dan Selway. I look for Coleman to get going at home on Saturday against Trinity.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pirat on September 13, 2005, 11:45:14 am
The RATS got a lot of pressure on Brown so the DAWGS really couldn't develop anything to Coleman plus he seemed to by matched up against our best corner most of the day. But, Brown and Ballard did very well in the short passing game. I thought the most impressive Redlands guy was Selway. This kid looks to have a big upside, good size, speed and hands but probably figures to be QB for the next 3 years.  Any news on his injury? Will he be ready for Trinity?

From the future schedules, it looks we will be seeing the DAWGS for the next 2 years hopefully things keep going our way.

Nice game

GO RATS
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on September 13, 2005, 12:06:04 pm
My fault everyone, I didn't mean to fuffle any feathers about the Cal Lu not being classy deal.  I was just going by what I had read on here before, not my own thoughts.  I thought they were very classy against PLU and didn't see one bit of trash-talk or anything after the whistle.  Now to say they are all good religious kids, well that one was stretching it a little...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on September 13, 2005, 08:17:17 pm
Tom, sorry I probably am over sensitive to some degree, but like I said before i am for all the SCIAC teams as of now Oxy is at the top but we need to pull for Redlands aganist Trinity and the other teams playing outside the conference, it helps us all when we win, but back in league well its every dog for himself and my kennel is at Cal Lu, take care and good luck this weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 14, 2005, 12:22:25 pm
What's the QB situation looking like at Redlands?  Brown is an exciting player but I noticed he had a hard time hanging on to the ball again.  What are Saras' prospects as a backup for Brown?

I hope the Dogs play well Saturday against Trinity.  It's by far the best chance for the SCIAC to make a national statement this week, although LaVerne beating Whitworth wouldn't be bad for the conference either.  It does not seem like CMS has much of a shot against UPS.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on September 14, 2005, 01:00:11 pm
S.C.I.A.C fans


 Looks like every team in the league had a great weekend. Hopefully, all goes well this weekend as well. What do you guys think your predictions are this week. Looks like Oxy will do just fine. I assume that the redlands-trinity game will also be a bit of a good game. In addition, it sounds like Cal Lu is doing fine. Anywho's, the rest of the teams should have a good day as well. I got oxy as my top pick this week.

I have an early prediction for next week........ it looks like redlands will get an upset next week. We just all have to wait and see.


Go tigers
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on September 15, 2005, 12:08:04 pm
Any Redlands alumni going to be at the game this Saturday night???
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChiTownOxyMoron on September 15, 2005, 05:07:33 pm
Oxy playing Lewis & Clark shouldn't be much of a game, but Trinity v. Redlands has the potential to be alright. I haven't heard much about how Redlands looks compared to last year. Does it look like Redlands has a shot at winning?

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on September 16, 2005, 12:25:21 am
The main red flag I saw in the stats was and I may be mistaken as its been a long week at work but I think Brown was the leading rusher, the passing game seemed OK but the DB's and the lack of a rushing attack, seems to be a concern, but alass Maynard is very good at getting things fixed and by league you can bet he will be hitting on all cylinders.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2005, 10:53:48 am
After having seen Trinity play the last two weeks, Redlands will probably have to execute their passing game to get a win on Saturday.   Trinity is only allowing 50 ypg on the ground ... though some of that is courtesy of 11 sacks.  Opponents are passing for nearly 250 ypg against the Tigers. 

Then again, it's a long trip between SA and Redlands (as we saw last year!) and past experience has been the home team gets about a 2 TD advantage out of that (see Pomona-Pitzer v. TU in '02 and '03). 

Good luck to all. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2005, 11:48:50 pm
Oxy 52 , L&C  17. Final
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 18, 2005, 01:10:33 am
Trinity 28
Redlands 25

Sounds like the dogs tried to mount a comeback and came up short.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on September 18, 2005, 04:32:25 pm
The Redlands Vs. Trinity was a great game to watch...The defense really played well in the second half.  Hopefully we can get on the winning track this weekend!!

Go Bulldogs!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CarloRossiLep on September 18, 2005, 09:02:54 pm
ULV didn't play that well and still put up some points against Whitworth.  I hear the officials didn't exactly call the game down the middle. But a loss is a loss.  No excuses for ULV.  UPS better watch out next week the Leps are hungry for some NWC meat.


Hail to the Orange!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstlbu on September 19, 2005, 01:12:03 am
If ULV is to beat UPS, they need to shore up their run defense. Giving up 205 to Whitworth (150 to Ashting) could mean many rushing yards for UPS and their offense. Lee could be on his way to another 200 yard effort if LaVerne doesn't improve from Saturday. Watch out for Silas Paul. He's 6'0", 225 pounds with speed. Ask Claremont. He broke a 91 yarder on Saturday where he blew by one of their DBs and shrugged off another.

ULV has the talent, but they can be inconsistent. One week they look like world beaters and the next they won't show up. Let's see which one shows up on Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pineconefan on September 19, 2005, 02:18:19 am
Carlo,
ULV put up half its points and almost half its yards in the final nine minutes of the game against Whitworth's third string after the score reached 43-14.  So don't take too much stock in the final score.  The Leopards never got a running game going because the Oline was getting beaten by the Pirates' Dline.  In reality, it looked to me like the officials could've called holding a lot more often than they did.  The linemen had no choice.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lights On on September 19, 2005, 11:11:18 am
Is there a defense in the conferece that can stop the Oxy Offense, or the Cal Lu Offense? Should be a decent game this Saturday night between the two.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 19, 2005, 11:51:31 am
Lights On-

I agree, seems like the Cal Lu Oxy game will come down to which defense can come up with key plays at the right time.  I think the over/under should be in the seventies. 

I'm interested in what the board thinks about whether it's better to have a week off before a big game like this, as Cal Lu has, or is it better to play a game, even if it's against a weak opponent (Oxy vs. Lewis & Clark).
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on September 19, 2005, 12:09:01 pm
In reguards to the question about having a bye week or having a game, I would say it depends on how you spent the off-day on Sat.  It sure is nice to have 2 weeks to prepare for a team like Oxy.  On the other hand, I am sure Oxy started putting in all their stuff for Cal Lu while preparing for L&C.  Looks like this game should be a dandy.  Wish I was going to be there.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on September 19, 2005, 01:34:30 pm
S.C.I.A.C fans,


It looks like there were some pretty good games out there in the league. To whitter, a big congrats to beating menlo. Seems like other teams had a good day to. Except for redlands and others that lost, seems like everyone had a good day. Looks like these up coming weeks should be fine. Oxy should do well against Cal Lu. Pomona might just win again. Whitter looks like they have a good light at the end of their tunnel. Hope redlands can find their light. Anywho's, like last week i got Oxy still down to win their next game against Cal Lu. What do you guys think?

GO TIGERS
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on September 19, 2005, 02:10:38 pm
Glad to be back again.  We'll have the OXY-Cal Lu game live at 7.00 PDT this Saturday.  Go to www.oxybroadcast.com to listen.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on September 19, 2005, 02:15:21 pm
The game this Saturday will not be like the last two Oxy games.  Cal Lu appears to have reloaded nicely after some near misses and a down year.  They had a good result against PacLu and should give Oxy a challenge this week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on September 19, 2005, 02:16:37 pm
Pat, one last thing.  How come when I post, it takes me all the way back to the West region posting page?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 19, 2005, 03:52:29 pm
That's the design of the board. Besides, when you've posted on the board, is there anything new to read?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 19, 2005, 06:07:11 pm
Thanks, TigerSports.  You guys do a nice job with the broadcasts.  I'm excited that I'll be able to be their in person on Saturday night.

How has the student response been to Oxy's success?  I missed the game the last time the Kingsmen were out, so it's been 4 years since I've been to a game in Eagle Rock.  Students seemed indifferent back then, but I know the basketball team got a lot of great support when it made its run deep into the tournament a couple of years back.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on September 20, 2005, 03:05:53 am
Hey Tiger...go to your profile preferences and check the box that sayls "Return to topics after posting by default."  That should keep you in the board you were posting on...I think.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: paohca on September 20, 2005, 10:16:49 pm
Tom Brady,
You take er easy now on the RELIGIOUS Cal Lu. U. footballers.These boys pray before a practice and a game that nobody gets seriously hurt-they say yes sir and no sir to their coaches-they study their courses and  attend classes daily--go to class-seldom uses curse words-play catch with the kicker /trainers 2 kids -GOOD guys Brady.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: paohca on September 20, 2005, 10:30:29 pm
Tom Brady---Now you take running back Charley Brown [cool name eh?]--he seldom uses curse words-prays alot nobody gets hurt-nothing wrong with that --eh? Now you take Vilnes Ezrins Stootsky-he,s "really" special from Canyon Country Ca. The boy works hard on and off the field-sells ice cream from a cart to help pay his tuition---riding around campue looking like a fool selling ice cream.!!!But Vilnes smiles from ear to ear and is a happy fool.Killershark says he,s ok---
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: paohca on September 20, 2005, 11:17:41 pm
downtown 48 ---you are totally brain dead ----go see a doctor----u need help immediately-----------------
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on September 21, 2005, 11:56:23 am
What??
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on September 21, 2005, 12:22:13 pm
Paohca,

Whoah fella. I wasn't putting down the CLU guys at all.  I am sure there are plenty of guys that are religious, but saying a prayer before a game does not justify them being "good religious boys."  Not trying to argue here, just not too sure how much of the cough medicine you had thrown back while you post.   I sure hope to see CLU bring home a win this weekend, although it looks like it will be a tough one.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 21, 2005, 12:42:53 pm
Paohca,

Put the crack pipe down, it is killing your ability to think clearly and to put together a sentence.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on September 21, 2005, 01:29:42 pm
This weekends game with Oxy and Cal Lu should be considered the top game of the week in the S.C.I.A.C. Both of the teams seems ready to fulfill what they are expecting out of the entire season this weekend. Not only that, the kingsmen get to go to eagle rock and play on an awesome field that will test both teams. In the end, it looks like the game will be won by Oxy at a score of 42-34. This game should be good.

By the way, after the game, if the kingsmen ask any Oxy players if they can join them at the after party, i am sure that they will be invited to join. So just to let you guys know, these Cal Lu kids are respectful. (seriously though, these kids are great). So oxy fans invite them to a victory party if they ask you. I am sure they will be happy to attend since they don't get anything like these on there campus.


GO Tigers and good luck to all on saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on September 21, 2005, 10:53:04 pm
The SCIAC should have a good game on Sat at Oxy,  the Tigers have averaged 46 points a game and gave up 18, although I think it was to  teams a little less skilled then Cal Lu. Collins has thrown for 7 TD's I believe and seems to have as many options as Cal Lu to throw to.  It should be a good game injury free I hope and most likely the last O with the ball may win.  I know little about the kicker for Oxy but Cal Lu's is a soph, who made all his extra points in the first game.  I gotta give a nod to the Oxy D as they seem to be loaded but the heart of the Cal Lu kids is large and they should play better this week. Cal Lu is well balanced and has a lot of ways to score points, should be an old fashion shootout.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on September 22, 2005, 01:59:09 pm
Not trying to be an Oxy hack here, but the numbers are a bit deceptive for Oxy, i.e., 46ppg v. 18.  Oxy was up 38-7 on L&C at the half and 27-7 on Chapman.    They get very conservative with big leads, which tends to even up the stats.  They've outscored the opposition 65-14 in the first half and only 27-23 in the second, with NO 4th quarter points.  What I'm trying to say is that we haven't seen Oxy's offense unleashed for a full game.  We also haven't seen them play the quality of this Cal Lu team as Chapman is probably a cut below them.  Looking at everything, it appears to me to be a 40-24 Oxy win.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: apgonzo on September 22, 2005, 02:20:44 pm
Hey Browneagle,

you sound kind of bitter against Cal-Lu, We had a couple of Oxy boys over the house this summer great kids but boy they sure can drink, I guess its good that Cal-Lu doesn't have what they have at Oxy ;)

I'm hoping for a great game we have a few friends on the Oxy side and this is the last time we will meet with our kids playing on the same field. D on both sides will be the key because the offenses on both teams are very explosive. Oxy is going to have to grind out the game and keep the ball away from the CLU offense

If CLU's D can step it up I'm looking at CLU 34 OXY 23.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 22, 2005, 02:27:00 pm
I am well aware of how tough the Tigers are, and you may well be right, tigersports, but I think it will be closer than that.  PP shut out Chapman - and we all know how much Lewis & Clark is suffering right now, leading me to believe that Oxy's D hasn't seen anything close to what the Cal Lu offense will bring on Saturday night. I am sure it will be a great game - just a bummer that such a big game is coming so early in the season.

I'm looking forward to seeing the new field, I have heard great things.  Did they do anything to upgrade the lighting?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChiTownOxyMoron on September 22, 2005, 04:11:34 pm
Neither Oxy nor Cal Lu has been tested thus far this season, so this game should not only be a good one, it should answer some questions about the programs. Is Oxy still as good as last year? Is Cal Lu that much better? I'm pretty sure that Oxy is as good or better. They have one of the top recieving corps in the conference in Jones and Fukushima. I don't know much about Cal Lu, though. If they do make a game of it, it'll show that they've improved leaps and bounds over the last two years. I guess we'll just have to wait for the game to find out.

Shout out to "The Real Deal" and "The Machinist"
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: apgonzo on September 22, 2005, 07:10:16 pm
Has Whittier caught any one else's attention? They may not win league but they may play spoiler to some teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on September 22, 2005, 09:58:41 pm
I think that the SCIAC probably has a lot of balance this year and Whitter should not be overlooked as they must be hungry. Not sure what PP and Clarmount are up to though, don't seem to get much input from those folks.  The Cal Lu / Oxy game will be won up front , I think the O's are pretty well balanced and am looking forward to a great game, hope that there is major support at the game.  Time wise can any one tell me how long it will take to get to the Oxy campus from Thousand Oaks?  I am kinda lost down there and any help would be appreciated.  Gotta love this time of the year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: apgonzo on September 23, 2005, 09:53:34 am
2ducks

Oxy is about an hour straight on the 101 to the 134 exit Harvey, you might want to allow for traffic.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 23, 2005, 10:33:13 am
apgonzo-

I agree  - it's interesting that Whittier beat Menlo.  Various drive by posters have been pumping up the "great Whittier rebuild" for the last few years with little change in what happened on the field.

The win over Menlo could mean something is finally starting to change, although it could also mean Menlo is really struggling this year.  We should know after next Saturday (when they play Oxy) if Whittier has made real strides.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 23, 2005, 12:42:58 pm
I called Whittier as my sleeper a few months ago. They have a solid coaching staff in place for once and the kids they recruited as freshmen two years ago now have some experience. I look for good things from them, including a winning season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: onearmedscot on September 23, 2005, 02:36:57 pm
Nobody reads the independent board so I'll post this here.  Pretty cool the Oaks get to hang with the Greatest Receiver of All Time (sorry not Casey Allen)

Rice, Oaks Team Up
On Wednesday, the Oaks took time out of their preparations for Saturday’s game to shoot a segment with NFL great Jerry Rice that will
air Sept. 25 on ESPN’s “Sunday NFL Countdown.”

Rice, who recently retired after a 20-year career, parodied his longevity in the satire, in which he joins a flag football league because he refuses to retire. The Oaks played the part of the flag football team, running plays and
mock defenses against Rice, who routinely scored before unleashing touchdown dances and pretending to verbally taunt the Oaks.  The segment is scheduled to air Sept. 25  between 8 and 10 a.m. on ESPN.

OneArmedScot
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: paohca on September 24, 2005, 02:35:49 pm
RFB-Word has it that you have a  brain about the size of a centipede-slightly smaller than the size of the dot of a ballpoint pen.If so that makes you extremely stupid and accounts for your idiotic posting.Websters dictionary defines an idiot, such as you,  as: a feebleminded person having a mental age not exceeding 3 years old and requiring complete custodial care.You must be over age 3 to make postings on post patterns.So we should not hear from you anymore if you comply with the rules!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 24, 2005, 03:12:28 pm
Paohca,

Pretty weak comeback, but at least your grammar is a little better. That must have taken a lot of effort to put together.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on September 24, 2005, 10:43:18 pm
End of the 1st Quarter

Oxy 10 Cal Lutheran 0
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 24, 2005, 11:07:37 pm
Redlands  18   Halftime
Chapman   7
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on September 24, 2005, 11:12:53 pm
Oxy 31
Cal Lu 0

4:00 and change left, first half.

Only bad news so far for Oxy is that LB Serrano has gone out with an apparent knee injury on the first play of the game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on September 24, 2005, 11:19:38 pm
RFB-Word has it that you have a brain about the size of a centipede-slightly smaller than the size of the dot of a ballpoint pen.

A centipede is much larger than the size of the dot of a ballpoint pen, I've seen them greater than 15 mm in length!

Websters dictionary defines an idiot, such as you, as: a feebleminded person having a mental age not exceeding 3 years old and requiring complete custodial care.

I don't know any children under 3 years old who have the ability to type, let alone do so in complete intelligible sentences, thereby negating your claim that RHB fits the definition of idiot.


Maybe Paohca could learn a bit about class from the "Cal Lu. U. footballers" he views so highly and rise about 4th grade insults, IQ permitting of course :)


Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 24, 2005, 11:53:14 pm
Redlands  25   3rd quarter
Chapman   7
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 24, 2005, 11:57:35 pm
Redlands  31  3rd quarter
Chapman   7
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 25, 2005, 12:42:05 am
Redlands   31  Final
Chapman  14
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 25, 2005, 01:57:10 am
Breaking news from Eagle Rock - Oxy is really good this year!  ;)

I thought their offense was even more impressive than last year's, maybe the only part of their team that's not quite as strong is the defensive front - Cal Lu had more success running the ball this year than last.

I wish the Kingsmen hadn't committed so many key mistakes (several chances to turn the momentum early were lost because of turnovers, penalties, etc.), it might have been a closer game.  Regardless, the Tigers look good.  It will be interesting to see who can play them close this season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChiTownOxyMoron on September 25, 2005, 03:10:04 am
Although I expected Oxy to win by a solid margin, I didn't expect quite the slaughter that it was. I would have expected the Cal Lu offense to do at least a little better, but I guess that the Oxy D has filled any holes that were left after last season. I just hope they don't get complacent. Like I posted Earlier, Josh Jones (3 TD's) and Ric Fukuchima had pretty darn solid games, and I even heard the Oxybroadcast guys talking about Jones as being considered an All American if he keeps this up. If he does, then look out SCIAC.

Maybe Cal Lu will finish up strong, but it would have helped their playoff chances considerably to have put forth a better showing in Eagle Rock. In the 2001 season when Oxy went 8-1 and won the conference, we didn't get the bid to the playoffs because we lost the first game of the season to Menlo in much the same way Cal Lu lost tonight (by a considerable margin, I mean). Of course that year was the last that the SCIAC didn't have an automatic bid to the playoffs. I don't know if the SCIAC is considered strong enough to have two playoff teams this year, even with the recent success of the conference. Personally I think it's as strong as any conference out there, but that doesn't matter because I don't vote for playoff teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CarloRossiLep on September 25, 2005, 04:28:46 am
ULV puts its first complete game of the season together and gives UPS a HUMDINGER!   UPS had more passes intercepted than completed.  I know the air game isn't exactly their fortay but that is a ridiculous stat.  The Loggers tasted good this week but the Stags are going to be even tastier next.  CMS's DB's should be shaking in their boots because the Leps air assault is going to keep getting better and better.
Boomer you were so close to taking that pick to the house.  It's alright, I know your going to score tonight  ;).


Hail to the Orange!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lights On on September 25, 2005, 12:59:26 pm
Obviously, CLU isn't that great. They have decent athletes, but played very sloppy and...well, stupid against Oxy. What was the deal with the clean playing CLU kids and the multiple personal fouls? I am not a strong believer in the Oxy defense, especially their secondary where I think they are extremely vulnerable. I thought the high powered CLU offense would be able to take advantage of this. Either a.) high powered really means over-rated or b.) Oxy defense is a lot better than I thought.  How do you not produce second half points? Even against Oxy's replacements? Cross them off the SCIAC contender list, huge disappointment last night. Joke.

The Oxy offense is unstoppable in the SCIAC. Too many weapons at the skilled positions.  Teams will have to try their best to slow the game into a turtle race or take their chances in a shootout.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on September 25, 2005, 01:53:17 pm
PC,
Thanks for the help!  OxyFan is officially 'back.'

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on September 25, 2005, 05:45:28 pm
Saw some ugliness from a minority of Cal Lu fans last night.  One guy was ragging about the clock and came up to the scoreboard guys after the game and sarcastically "complimented" them on getting one play right.  Another popped his/her head in and talked about how the PA was the worst announcer she ever heard, and the guy was standing right there.  I know it's a small minority, but they did not represent the school well.

Oh, and another thing, please, CAL Lu, please please please, do away with the gold numbers.  So many of your players were denied on-air recognition because we couldn't read the numbers.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on September 25, 2005, 06:02:00 pm
Tigersports,

The archive of the Cal Lu game links back to Chapman.  Just letting you know...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 25, 2005, 07:21:22 pm
Sounds like Cal Lu had a few chances but made too many mistakes. It's now up to Redlands and Laverne. Redlands has the talent if they play up to their potential. It should be interesting how the SCIAC plays out. I know Oxy is strong and should win conference but the games still have to be played and Redlands is my pick for the upset.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 25, 2005, 08:31:43 pm
You're right, RFB - if someone is going to beat Oxy there's no way they can make as many mistakes as the Kingsmen did.  Three uncharacteristic "unforced" interceptions, a fumble on 3rd and goal from the one, and 3rd down penalties that allow the other team to keep their drives alive will not help anyone trying to beat Oxy.  Those of us who are Cal Lu supporters can only hope we got it all out of our system last night.

Lights On - We had every reason to feel good about the chances of our offense going in to last night.  Cal Lu won it's previous seven games, and averaged nearly 40 points and over 400 yards total offense doing so.  All the more reason last night was a disappointment, but I'm confident the Kingsmen will once again hit their stride.

ChiTown-  Good analysis on the playoff picture, I was hoping for a second half rally that might help it look more like a contest...oh well.

Thanks Tigersports, for mentioning that it was only a minority of the CLU fans and not labeling the whole bunch. Your PA guy does a bang up job - although you can hear him maybe a little to clearly with your upgraded sound system  :)

I'm still fired up about the rest of the season.  Redlands and LaVerne look like they're improving, and then there's the Sagehens - nice win for them over Whittier last night.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on September 26, 2005, 12:35:06 pm
Thanks for that, Oxy fan.  I'll fix it tonight.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on September 26, 2005, 02:25:09 pm
Does anyone know what is up with the SCIAC sports website? It seems that the front page has been maintained with some current stories but if you click on individual sports, you reach a page that says something like "upon commencement of the 2004-2005 season, items will be posted" - since this is now the 2005-2006 season for fall and winter sports, seems weird.

I know the SCIAC was looking for an SID but I thought they had hired someone......
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on September 26, 2005, 06:50:08 pm
Just some thoughts on the Oxy team from last Sat's game with Cal Lu.  Collins made play after play when he got out of the pocket, he would get pressure and slide from inside out or just slide out, clearly Cal Lu did not contain.  Jones did a great job and is a real good player at WR, once he softened up the Cal Lu DB's deep he had his way underneath as they tried to prevent him on top and completed several plays underneath. Cal Lu will win more games this year and will compete, they just got an old fashion butt kicking from a better team Sat. night. Oxy will still have to beat a good Redlands team and a LaVerne team looking for more respect, a side note in my book the refs were probably as bad as any I have seen.  They did call a consistent game, just bad for both sides.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChiTownOxyMoron on September 26, 2005, 09:15:27 pm
Ah yes, good ol' SCIAC refs they are pretty darn awful all of the time. But hey, at least they are bad all around.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on September 27, 2005, 10:32:10 am
S.C.I.A.C fans

Great to hear that many teams had a great day on saturday. Congrats to the tigers for earning their stripes and being well ready for Cal Lu. One can say that they were ready to play a good team after doing well in a scrimmage with a team like College of the Canyons, Chapman and L and C. Anyways, looks like oxy well have a great time this saturday against Whitter.

It looks like whitter is ready to start turning heads around. However, not for this game. This game means a lot for the tigers. Considering that this is an old fashion rivarly game, i am pretty sure the tigers want to keep "the shoes".
This has always been a tradition at oxy to consider keeping the shoes in Eagle Rock and no where else. If that is not it, the uppper classmen usually try to help the underclass men understand that this is a game that you really want to win to keep "the shoes". So in all, OXy will have a great game and overall beat Whitter. What do you guys think??? Any other predictions about this weekends games held across the S.C.I.A.C


Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gocatsgo2003 on September 29, 2005, 04:55:34 pm
I actually play on the CMS team, and I can say that we had a rough time against UPS.  Wahtever it was, I can say that we are ready to go after La Verne, especially after our bye week.  We're looking forward to getting the conference season rolling and getting it started right.

The USMMA game was really not as close as the score -- just didn't put them away well enough.  We were up 33-12 at one point, so this team definitely has some potential.

Go Stags!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on September 29, 2005, 05:50:51 pm
CMS Guy ... If you are on the team you should not be posting on this site!

I am a new user and just wanted to introduce myself to the SCIAC page:

1. Go OXY
2. I think OXY has a clear road to the SCIAC championship this year. I know Redlands has re-loaded and I respect them and La Verne as worthy opponets I simply don't think either has the fire power to match OXY in a shootout. ALSO nobody has scored more than 7 on the OXY 1st string D. Whittier had that big back # 21 last year who was a stud but I don't see a problem even if he is back. Pomona looks like an improved team this year and will serve as a real test for the OXY  defense; they got an offensive coordinator with a lot of tricks up his sleeve. BUT I still don't see any bumps in the road till OXY will play Linfield in the final 8 round of the play-offs. Look for a better game than last year though!

Hope I didn't stir up any emotions in my first post, but that is how I feel and I'm sticking to it!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 29, 2005, 06:34:30 pm
Liger-

1) Welcome to the board, the more the merrier!  Feel free to stir things up us often as you like.

2) I know Cal Lu was awful on Saturday - but 9 is more than 7.  Oxy's clear strength is their offense.  I think both LaVerne and Redlands stand a decent chance of putting up some points on Oxy's D. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 29, 2005, 09:41:05 pm
Liger,

I wouldn't proclaim Oxy champions just yet, they still have to get past Redlands and Laverne. Don't forget Redlands and Laverne have actually played some very tough teams compared to the cupcake schedule of Oxy.

Redlands almost beat a top ten team in Trinity(TX) and Whitworth is solid and should make the playoffs. Redlands will have a serious chip on their shoulder and will come to play, Oxy will need a solid game to beat them.

This years Oxy team reminds me of Redlands in the early 90's. Redlands had won three straight SCIAC titles from 90-92 and returned 19 starters going into the 93 season. They were killing everyone including a very good DII Hayward State team and started out 6-0. They got cocky and lost to Laverne at home. Redlands was also supposed to run over the SCIAC and do some damage in the playoffs.

Just something to remember before you hand your Tigers from Oxy the SCIAC title and another elite eight appearance. There are still games to be played. Good to have you here posting.

RFB
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CarloRossiLep on September 30, 2005, 12:06:27 am
I think Oxy should take it one game at a time.  ULV and Redlands are still a few weeks away.  Yes, on paper they should smash Whittier and make them cry like little girls but that is on paper and the games are played on the field.  What if Whittier puts together an awesome game plan and catches a Oxy team that is overly confident and looking ahead to tougher opponents?  Whittier could pull off a awesome shocker.  Yeah right!!!  All that being said Oxy wins 42 to 7.

PP and CalLu.  I think this is going to be a really boring game.  PP doesn't have the athletes to keep up with CalLu but they are always well coached and disciplined.  CalLu has got to be super embarassed by the showing against Oxy and I'm sure their coaches are all over them this week.  I'm thinking the game is tied at the half then CalLu starts to pull away at the end of the third/start of the fourth.  Final score CalLu 28 PP 17.

The big momentum builder for the Leps against CMS.  CMS like PP doesn't have the best athletes but are very well coached.  But looking at their record and how they're losing I don't think all the coaching in the world is going to help them against ULV.  La Verne is flying high after their past win and are starting to click on both sides of the ball.  They are definitely going to come out pumped against CMS.  There's not alot of love for the Claremont Consortium in La Verne.  There are still guys on the team that remember CMS a couple years ago.  The one with Fazio and Gocong.  That team thought they were doing us a favor by being on the same field as us.  ULV is gonna be pumped and prepared. 
ULV 41 CMS 17.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on September 30, 2005, 01:33:25 am
Good points by all in response to my claim!

OXY 52 whittier 3 ( OXY D is pissed off about all this talk about them being weaker than last year )

I think Pomona beats Cal Who 21-10

CMS is a very well coached program but La Verne is too damn fast...ULV gets momentum early and wins 38-10.

Redlands will sit at home this weekend and bang their heads against the wall in preparation for ULV

Should be a good weekend
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on September 30, 2005, 11:49:32 am
PP and CalLu.  I think this is going to be a really boring game.  PP doesn't have the athletes to keep up with CalLu but they are always well coached and disciplined.  CalLu has got to be super embarassed by the showing against Oxy and I'm sure their coaches are all over them this week.  I'm thinking the game is tied at the half then CalLu starts to pull away at the end of the third/start of the fourth.  Final score CalLu 28 PP 17.

Carlos-

This might seem like a boring game to you, but I think it's the most compelling on this weekend's slate.  The Oxy/Whittier and LaVerne/CMS matchups should be blow outs, and both PP and CLU have a lot to play for.  For PP a win goes a long way toward building a strong season, the Kingsmen need to prove that least week was an aberration.  I do hope your prognostication is correct  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on September 30, 2005, 11:56:29 am
Well, as far as my 2 cents are concerned, I would say Cal Lu rolls P-P.  Now I realize that they were blown out last week, but what do you expect, thats the way they do things at Cal Lu.  If somebody could tell me the last time they won a "big" game, I am curious.  I guess I don't really know anything about P-P so saying they will get smoked might ba a little far fetched.  Oh well, it would be nice to see that.
Now to say something that I am sure will be criticized.....

"Almost" only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades.  Don't worry RFB, its all in good fun.  Good luck to all this weekend.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChiTownOxyMoron on September 30, 2005, 12:52:21 pm
Go OXY!

Keep the shoes!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on September 30, 2005, 12:54:49 pm
Hey Tom Brady,

In response to your question about the last time Cal Who won a "big game" how bout a 42-35 win over PLU for their opener (wins over NWC teams by SCIAC teams have been rare and those idiots up there SWEAR they are playing in the PAC-10 or something )  also last year they beat LaVerne, Redlands and YES Chapman ( the only team to serve up OXY a REGULAR season loss last year ).

I am not even a CAL WHO fan but come on man give credit where credit is due.....I mean being blown out by OXY is expected, everyone is SCIAC will suffer that fate this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on September 30, 2005, 12:55:47 pm
Are you guys kidding me. Some of you guys were right. The Oxy team always takes their schedule seriously. It has always been one week and one game at a time. So never mind about what it looks like to them down the road. Therefore, it doesn't matter who they play, but more importantly, what matters is if they successfully did well throughout the week. This has always been the case. Believe me, right now everyone at Oxy is thinking about Whitter and whitter only right now.

The players at oxy will never get cocky. Thats just they way you are taught to be during your years at the school. Overall, the team will indeed win this saturday and keep the shoes. When the player wake up on Sunday afternoon, Colorado College will be on their minds and nothing more.

So i tell you all, this is a reason why the team has succeed by far. RFB, Who cares if Redlands or Pomona looks like a test further down the road. It turns out to be who has been better prepared throughout the week in order to fulfill one goal at a time. This is evident to why the tigers beat a good Cal lu team really well. Just keep that in mind guys.
Oxy over Whitter. Oxy keeps the "Shoes" because of the tradition of the game and gets ready t0 take on Colorado College.

Should be a good weekend. Good luck to all the S.C.I.A.C schools.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on September 30, 2005, 12:59:18 pm
The shoes will indeed stay.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on September 30, 2005, 01:55:03 pm
Holy Cow Liger Lover, relax a little. :o  I didn't think I would upset anyone over that question.  My response is that I didn't mean to make it sound like the PLU game was nothing more than just a game, I know it was a big win, but what I should have said was when was the last time CLU won a big CONFERENCE game.  Since they have not won a conference title outright in who knows how long (if ever).
As far as the games last year, were those not just any other games since they were already eliminated from any playoff hopes? 

One more thing.  Why was being blown out by Oxy "expected?"  Wasn't that a game that many were looking at as a potential conference title game.  Not to disrespect Redlands or La Verne or any others, but the way it sounded was that was the way many were looking at it.

Again, I din't mean to disrespect any school or any person on here, just stating my opinion.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on September 30, 2005, 01:59:18 pm
LigerLover-

Make sure you stop by the idiots tent for a pregame burger this year when you're up for the annual SCIAC beatdown in McMinnville (at least Redlands kept it kind of close).  Should be sometime between November 19 and December 3, we'll save you one with cheese!  We're looking forward to the USC match-up the week after we dispose of you stiffs...

But that's a ways off...we've got PLU this week...RFB is right...one at time boys, one at a time!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on September 30, 2005, 02:03:47 pm
One thing I have observed over the last few years -

Cal Lu tends to play down to the level of their opponent when Cal Lu is the better team. I have seen them make a number of mistakes to keep other teams in the game when they should be showing a killer instinct and putting them away.

They usually have a lot of talent and good coaching, but if I were a betting man, I would tend to bet against them in most cases.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on September 30, 2005, 02:11:14 pm
(wins over NWC teams by SCIAC teams have been rare and those idiots up there SWEAR they are playing in the PAC-10 or something )

lover,

First, you're right about wins for SCIAC teams over NWC teams.  It doesn't happen much.  

Second, it looks like the only chance a SCIAC team will have to knock off Linfield is in the playoffs because the whole SCIAC is skirting scheduling Linfield (while I respect the fact Redlands has played Linfield 4 time in the regular season, it seems that they recently stop returning calls.....)

Third, the "idiots" on the NWC board know they're not playing in the Pac-10.....they just know they have the defending National Champion and #1 team in the country in their back yard.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 30, 2005, 03:21:57 pm
WC11,

It seems that Redlands won't return calls from Linfield? So outside of your day job you're the athletic director for the Cats? I highly doubt your information. Redlands has a highly regarded, respected athletic director in Jeff Martinez. Redlands might have turned down Linfield for a contract but not returning calls is an asinine statement. I don't care where you heard that information, unless you're in a decision making position for Linfield athletics I would say you're not in the know.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on September 30, 2005, 04:18:14 pm
RFB,

I know it's hard to pick up sarcasm but did I really need to put a sarcasm disclaimer around the line of: "it seems that they recently stop returning calls....."?

Fine...I retract that statement and will just say that recently when Linfield makes an inquire to Redlands about future football contests between the two school, Redlands has declined each the invitation to play....for whatever reason they may have

....and I think that reason is that Redlands hasn't been paying their phone bill and are unable to call Linfield back.  (*****that was sarcasm....I'm sure that Redlands is paying their phone bill right on time)

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on September 30, 2005, 04:22:09 pm
I would hope they haven't stopped returning phone calls altogether, but I do know that it would be about as easy as a Linfield playoff victory over a SCIAC squad for WC11 to get that info from THE decision maker... ;)

By the way RFB I do hope your boys sneak up on OXYCollins, I'd rather not see that guy in town any time soon.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 30, 2005, 06:30:19 pm
WC11,

Your right, e-mail is tough to interpret at times and I read it wrong. But if I am not mistaken you or maybe other Linfield backers have painted Redlands as running scared. I just don't buy into those not involved within Linfield athletics coming here on these boards and acting like they are stating facts when in reality they are getting information from my mothers fathers second cousin.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 30, 2005, 06:32:05 pm
DT48,

I have faith in my Dawgs, they will be ready for Oxy. One game at time though and they need to get by Laverne first at Ted Runner next weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tuxguy on September 30, 2005, 07:44:09 pm
RFB.... WC11 knows of what he says.  :D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CarloRossiLep on September 30, 2005, 08:01:31 pm
Redlands may not be playing Linfield every year but its not like they scheduled a cupcake instead.  Trinity TX is a OK program last time I checked.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on September 30, 2005, 09:23:40 pm
Alright Boys....heres the law:

1. I want a double cheeseburger please, and throw some bacon on there too

2. I love the trash talk here by the NWC but don't you have your own post patterns site, why are you reading ours now....go fight about whos gonna win the NWC.....I look forward to hearing more from you guys later on in the season though about the play-off picture since thats when Oxy will meet another opponenet for the NWC ( I got my $ on a rematch of last years elite 8 game ).

3. Lewis andd clark would get their ass whopped by ANY SCIAC team, Pac-Lu lost to cal who, Oxy beat willamette last year....what I am getting at is that SCIAC is getting better each year and I do not see the NWC as all that much better than the SCIAC currently...I fully realize that in the past SCIAC has not shown well in games vs. NWC teams but we are on our way up!

4. the "DAWGS" will not sneak up on collins as you put it....Collins is bigger than most of the redlands D-line and ran all over them last year....If redlands wants to beat OXY I think they will have to find another way to do it cause you ain't gonna stop Collins. period.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on September 30, 2005, 11:25:28 pm
Is that confidence, or cockiness? ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on October 01, 2005, 12:18:32 am
Ligar,

1.  "Don't you have your own post patterns site, why are you reading ours now..." 

---Well, if you didn't insult NWC posters by calling us idiots then you wouldn't get a response.  Pretty simple.

2.  "Lewis andd clark would get their ass whopped by ANY SCIAC team..."

---Lewis and Clark....yeah they're damn bad.  Way to point that out.  However, how quickly you forget your history:

2001 Lewis & Clark vs Occidental: 35-32 Oxy win
2002 Lewis & Clark vs Occidental: 21-20 Oxy win

BTW, Lewis & Clark still was still sucking in 2001 and 2002.  We'll see how good Oxy is when Collins is gone.

Regardless who comes up to Linfield from the SCIAC (if they make it that far) for the playoffs the result will be the same....a Linfield win and the SCIAC team goes home.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 01, 2005, 01:08:15 am
Welcome to the reality of Post patterns, Liger.  Call out the Linfield folks and they'll come to visit.  Just be glad that Cal Lu beat PLU and LaVerne beat UPS or they'd be down here in full voice.  That's right, Oxy earns us no street cred up north with wins over L & C.

WC11 - Thanks for reminding the Oxy folks that their recent success does not equate with long term dominance.

DT48 - In my one chance to see him this year Collins looked even better than last year - he does things that D3 quarterbacks are not supposed to be able to do - especially in the semi-darkness under the "lights" of Patterson field.  I will be interested to see if anyone on Oxy's regular season schedule holds them under 30.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 01, 2005, 02:00:13 am
wildcat 11 : Like I said BEFORE.... SCIAC CURRENTLY (not 4 years ago) is on par with the NWC.period. but thanks for the trip down memory lane...I know that the NWC has a more storied past and if you want I can pull out OXY scores form the good ole days when we played in the rose bowl vs. USC and won but that is neither here nor there.... goodluck and lets move on with a new topic...your choice this time....no more silly quarelling.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 01, 2005, 02:02:50 am
ps why is my karma -2 ...I really am not here to piss people off...I
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2005, 02:15:06 am
You dared to speak out against the majority. :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 01, 2005, 02:18:46 am
Wow, Pat - you're up late.

I do like the new picture Liger, I might give you some karma for that if I could, especially since the community around CLU had its recent Liger scare...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 01, 2005, 05:54:18 pm
CLU 45
PP 13

Halftime
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 01, 2005, 07:46:29 pm
Final Score from Pomona:

CLU 45
Pomona 21
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 01, 2005, 11:01:53 pm
I guess Cal Lu remembered to bring their offense to the game today....at least their first half offense.  Nice way to bounce back after getting smoked.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on October 02, 2005, 01:03:26 am
wildcat 11 : Like I said BEFORE.... SCIAC CURRENTLY (not 4 years ago) is on par with the NWC.period.

Liger,

Until I see a SCIAC school step up and take down the NWC champ the SCIAC is not on par with the NWC.  add a period on that.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 02, 2005, 01:34:50 am
Just saw the Oxy score, any details on the game?  Looked pretty close...have to say that I am surprised.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 02, 2005, 06:16:22 am
wildcat 11....you have one FANTASTIC team in your confrence... ther rest are equal to SCIAC oppenets...I give a lot of respect to Linfield this year but you have to admit, besides them who is there?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on October 02, 2005, 01:18:33 pm
Any SCIAC teams beat Whitworth this year (Redlands, La Verne)?   

Also, I didn't see any SCIAC teams step up and put a young Willamette team on their schedule.  I guess that's why the Bearcats had to play Mary Hardin-Baylor, and Azusa.

Maybe you should be discussing why Oxy is playing tomato cans like Lewis & Clark and Colorado College for non-conference games.

BTW, great job on Oxy beating Whittier 28-20.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 02, 2005, 01:28:39 pm
Wildcat11- I like the way you can pretty much prove a point without acting like a 12 year old on here.  Gotta say I agree with you on the OXY non-conference schedule (and before LigerLover comes on here and starts whining about it, yes I know OXY beat Cal Lu.  We all know it) and you would hope they would maybe step it up a notch now that they are the "most dominating team the SCIAC has ever seen" ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChiTownOxyMoron on October 02, 2005, 02:04:30 pm
Unfortunately sportsmanship isn't one of the strong points of all of SCIAC fans. There is a minority of people who look to cause problems at games, but at the Whittier-OXY game, a group of intoxicated Whittier fans jumped two OXY fans near the stadium entrance late in the game. It's really too bad that a group of classless people can ruin the great experience that is D3 college football, especially at such a good game. People have been talking about sportsmanship of Cal Lu, but this goes way beyond talking a little trash. A little banter can be a healthy thing in competetion, as it is here on this site.

This reflects very poorly on Whittier College. I am glad such behavior is rare, and I hope it never happens again.

Lets keep the hitting on the field.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 02, 2005, 03:33:21 pm
The most dominating team the SCIAC has ever seen? That is a pretty laughable statement.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 02, 2005, 03:49:19 pm
I was just being a little sarcastic.  Just messin' around with OXY's #1 fan.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 02, 2005, 04:59:12 pm
Thats pretty terrible about the guys getting jumped.  I guess those things happen, unfortunately, when you have all day to "pre-game" and your team loses.  Hope nothing like that happens again.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lights On on October 02, 2005, 05:04:20 pm
The conference winner gets an automatic playoff bid...so where's the logic in playing an extremely difficult non-conference schedule? Sure, you gain experience through the increased level of competition; but you also run the risk of injury, getting your team pounded and you have less time to iron out the kinks prior to the first conference game since you're preparing for better athletes and are forced to open up the playbook earlier than expected. The pros and cons could go on forever, but does it really matter who you play prior to the real season beginning? I salute the cupcake schedule Oxy plays.

As for the Oxy game yesterday, it was a battle. But they got the victory and that is all that matters. One week at a time, right?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 02, 2005, 05:16:32 pm
The Whittier site has a box score of the game with Oxy.

The stat that stands out is that Oxy had three punts and averaged only ten yards per punt.  :o
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2005, 05:27:15 pm
The logic is that you have some vague recollection of playoff-level competition when you finally face some.

Nobody says you have to play three games against Top 25 teams but it would be nice if you played one against a Top 100 team.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on October 02, 2005, 06:23:03 pm
The logic is that you have some vague recollection of playoff-level competition when you finally face some.

Nobody says you have to play three games against Top 25 teams but it would be nice if you played one against a Top 100 team.

Pat,

5 star post!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 02, 2005, 06:40:57 pm
Whittier really prepared well for OXY....hats off to them. OXY now has some time to really practice hard and get better over the next couple of weeks with a game against Colorado College and a bie week before a BIG game vs. Redlands OCT 22 !
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 02, 2005, 07:34:59 pm
a game against Colorado College and a bie week

Wow, I hope thats not an Occidental education at its finest ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2005, 07:44:21 pm
Wow, I hope thats not an Occidental education at its finest ;D

The word is that's.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 02, 2005, 08:31:24 pm
and I thought the comment was going to be about how Colorado College is the equivalent of a bye week...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 02, 2005, 08:32:28 pm
okay, I messed up there....this thing needs a spell check

Good to see OXY climbing up the rankings to #6 !!!!! washington & jefferson and the ohio northern game sound like big upsets ! Hopefully this will motivate the tigers to bust their ass for the next two weeks in preparation for RFB's "DAWGS" - should be a battle.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 02, 2005, 10:39:24 pm
Dang, now I look like the idiot. ::)  Oh well, if that's the biggest mistake I made today, it must have been a pretty good day.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 03, 2005, 11:26:23 am
Nice to see that the Cal Lu offense was back on the field Saturday.  It's interesting to me that the Kingsmen seem to have an easier time with PP in Pomona than when the Sagehens come up to Thousand Oaks.

Interesting as well that Whittier pushed Oxy - I wonder what teams like LaVerne and Redlands (who I'm sure was watching that game in force) will learn from what Whittier did.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 03, 2005, 01:24:38 pm
Hope all the teams has a good weekend.

Sounds like a lot of people feel that Oxy has a cupcake schedule. Well, who cares. As long as they are taking one game at a time, that is fine.

About the saturday game against Whitter, like i said in the past, whitter was suppose to turn heads and do well. Just like i had mentioned about U.L.V. THese teams are really trying their best to do well on the field. This is why Whitter was having success against teams like menlo and the others they beat. Overall, it appears that they gave Oxy a good game. However, the team that was better prepared for one game at a time did pull out with a "w" and the shoes.  SO congrats.

The game against Colorado will be another game that the tigers have to prepare. Hopefully, oxy improves any mistakes they made on saturday and learn from their individual grades that they received for the game they played. Indeed, they will fix any kinks (Ahla USC against Arizona State this weekend). Anywho's, Colorado is a good school, so oxy should be ready for them and enjoy the win up in colorado springs( gosh, that was a good place to play football on a saturday afternoon).

Anyways, sounds like the tigers will do just fine. I'm Pretty sure RFB just can't wait for the Oxy-Redlands game at the Rock. Well, just like a a child waiting to get candy at a candy store, stop stressing and take one game at a time.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 03, 2005, 01:30:17 pm
One last thing,

That's pretty pathetic that Fans would jump other fans because their team had lost. I find that those type of fans are usually those that really suck in football and never made the team. So they have to try to pull it off somewhere else. That's just embrassing and pathetic. I hope that doesn't go on at all the S.C.I.A.C schools. Let the teams play will dignity even if they lose.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on October 03, 2005, 03:14:35 pm
I don't want to burst anyone's bubble, but think about this :

In the past decade or so, Menlo has beaten Whittier almost every year except this one. Even when Menlo has had a down year, it has been when Whittier has been down even lower. This year was the exception - Menlo is having a down year, Whittier is actually playing better. Whittier is not a world better though. They have some good talent and they run their offense fairly well - however, it is a fairly simple and predictable offense - I saw it against Menlo and I was calling their plays right about 50+% of the time - not bad for somebody who hasn't coached or called plays for over 10 years.

I think Whittier prepared well for Oxy and caught them by surprise. I don't think Oxy will take this lightly - as the Who says "I won't get fooled again!"

I think the games against ULV and UOR will be reasonably close, but both being at OXY, on the new field, with the lighting the way it is (at least for the UOR game) (if it hasn't been upgraded) throws a couple of things OXY's way.

I'm not really an OXY fan but I don't see them losing in the SCIAC - they may get pushed a little, but not on the final scoreboard.

I also think Whittier will finish in the middle of the pack in the SCIAC - they have improved but they still are not that good - a .500 team at best.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 03, 2005, 04:10:40 pm
Oxy's new field turf is great, and the scoreboard and sound system have also been upgraded.  Alas, the lights have not...  It still seems dark in the end zones and spectators still find themselves looking directly into the light standards - which Oxy may have to keep low in order to make their neighbors happy.  Just a guess on that score.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on October 03, 2005, 11:14:17 pm
The lights at Oxy seemed to work well for the kids on the field but from the stands they are bad, it made it tuff to see.  As far as the Whitter game I would like to reason that maybe Whitter has improved and the overall SCIAC is alittle more balanced this year.  It would seem hard to not say that Whitter showed a better game then the Cal Lu kids did.
Cal Lu played very well aganist PP and came right back and scored after falling behind.  The 2nd series on the first play PP put the ball in the endzone on a nice run.  After that it was all Cal Lu except the final score aganist the 2nd and 3rd teams.  Menlo has had a tuff time of it but has played a couple good schools, I think they will be after Cal Lu because of last years game, I really don't see them hanging with the Kingsmen though., and the D is getting better as the season goes on. Rbaikie, sorry you will not be at the game, I will give you a whatever on Sunday of the Oaks.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 04, 2005, 01:28:22 am
Kind of a side note, but did Redlands get field turf or are they planning to? I know they finally got an all-weather track and the stadium would host some great night track meets....congrats on that...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on October 04, 2005, 09:38:00 am
twoducks, does Cal Lu throw the ball much? Because if they do, they can have a field day with the Menlo D. I realize that San Diego is a pretty decent I-AA team, but I have never seen guys so wide open (on one there was no DB for 15 yards :o) as I did for a couple of the USD touchdowns.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 04, 2005, 12:08:01 pm
Redlands decided against field turf. From what I heard they decided to tear up the field and put down a new grass surface with better infrastructure underneath to support it. Field turf would have been nice but I am glad games at Ted Runner will still be played on grass. Now with the new track they definitely have the best football venue in the SCIAC and top five in the West.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 04, 2005, 04:52:50 pm
I had a chance to meet the Redlands AD, who is - as many others on this board have mentioned -  a great guy, and he explained that the surface at Ted Runner is only used 12-15 times a year total.  Therefore it made a lot more sense for them to stick with grass.  That's a real luxury, in this day and age, to have a more or less dedicated football stadium.

CAWCDAD-
The Kingsmen do love to put it in the air, although their greatest success against PP was on the ground.  They run a version of the stretch and usually have 4-5 receivers on the field.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on October 05, 2005, 02:31:32 pm
We'll have the OXY-Colorado Col. game Saturday at noon PDT on www.oxybroadcast.com.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 05, 2005, 02:45:36 pm
Yeah I really want to listen to Oxy roll some creampuff. How about they actually schedule somebody. Linfield, Whitworth, Trinity(TX), Willamette? Somebody who wouldn't have trouble against high school competition.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 05, 2005, 03:38:33 pm
Sounds  like RFB really feels bitter about not getting a chance to play some football against competition like oxy. Relax, RFB. I bet you and thing that  Oxy will do just fine on saturday and get ready against Redlands. Who cares about the schedule. Let them play football. But, do get ready for next week though!!!

Tigersports--- That's great to hear that you guys will be out in Colorado on a great saturday afternoon. I used to love going to play there. Hope that yous continue to do a fine job broadcasting the games. Will next weeks game be broadcast on the net as well.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 05, 2005, 03:48:01 pm
The point is I might actually listen to the game if they were playing a good program. I had my four years of fun playing football at Redlands, and three of those years we stomped your Tigers.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 05, 2005, 04:26:38 pm
RFB,

What has Redlands gained by scheduling tough competition? Where is their ranking?

I agree that playing tough teams can help with your ranking by knocking off a good team, but since the winner of the SCIAC gets an automatic bid to the play-offs what do see as the point ? (the experience gained by playing these teams can't be all that valuable)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 05, 2005, 04:44:55 pm
Playing top football programs is a great measuring stick of how good you are. It creates competition and gets you in some very tough games where you have to use every ounce of your program to win. Plus you are better prepared when the real playoffs do come if you win conference. There is no shellshock factor when you get to the playoffs. It is also a good recruiting tool and it shows your players, fans, and alumni that your program strives to be the best because you play the best.

Playing a cupcake schedule does nothing for you. Your starters play at most a half, they are not put in any real game-time competition. It is better to use your two minute offense during the first game of the season as opposed to five games into the season. It will have no fine tuning because you have not had to use it. The point is is you still get into the playoffs with the autobid but you're better prepared for the playoffs because of who you played.

I gaurantee Redlands experience of playing Whitworth/Trinity will serve them better then Oxy playing CC/L&C. I guess we will see in a few weeks.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 05, 2005, 05:57:51 pm
RFB,

It didn't seem like Oxy was shellshocked in the playoffs last year.  And, they basically had the same schedule as they do this year.  A tougher schedule may have its benefits, but we also have to remember that schedules are most often made years in advance. 



Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on October 05, 2005, 06:43:30 pm
The point is is you still get into the playoffs with the autobid but you're better prepared for the playoffs because of who you played.

I gaurantee Redlands experience of playing Whitworth/Trinity will serve them better then Oxy playing CC/L&C. I guess we will see in a few weeks.

How has that strategy worked for Redlands thusfar?  If memory serves me correct, Redlands still hasn't won a playoff game in spite of their non-conference schedule against "top football programs."  Oxy's non-conference schedule last season might not be considered tough, but when it came to the playoffs they walked away with two big wins.  Apparently they weren't "shellshocked" when it came time to play some extra games at the end of the season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 05, 2005, 06:48:49 pm
we also have to remember that schedules are most often made years in advance. 

That's true, OxyFan. But now that Oxy has enjoyed 2-3 consecutive strong seasons I think many of us around the conference are looking for them to step up their strength of schedule.  It does us little good to have our strongest team play all three of their nonconference games against weak opponents.

For the most part I agree with RFB on this issue.  The irony of Oxy's easier schedule is that it played a role in their hosting a first round game against the NWC's second place team.  Redlands, after suffering one or two non-conference losses against a tougher schedule, would get sent to play one of the region's top seeds in McMinnville or Collegeville, in the December elements no less.  The argument could be made that last year's Oxy team didn't play an equivalent game until the third round, especially in light of the fact that Concordia elected to play them indoors.

We all supported Oxy on their run last year, and will again this year if they represent the conference.  But I hope their days of playing all of their non-conference games against the region's weakest teams are drawing to a close.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 05, 2005, 07:02:58 pm
Big difference in getting a home game and not having to travel to play the #1 seed. Redlands has four playoff appearances in the last fourteen years on the road against the big dogs.

1990  #1 Central 20  Redlands 14
1992  #1 UW-Lacrosse 47 Redlands 26 (Lacrosse was National Champs that year)
2002  #1 St. Johns 31  Redlands  23
2003  #1 Linfield    31  Redlands  23

If the same happened to Oxy last year it would have been one and done at Linfield. I was happy for Oxy last year but it is time for them to play somebody.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on October 05, 2005, 07:14:40 pm
I agree that Oxy should play a tougher non  league schedule when they are able (contractual constraints, etc.), but if by chance they were to go all the way and win the Stagg Bowl, would you consider their national championship any less worthwhile because of their strength of schedule?

Every coach and administration has their own ideas about what they want to build thier program. Sometimes, it is just playing the games to get everybody experience so that the team matures.

If USC goes undefeated this year, I don't think too many people will complain that it isn't a great accomplishment because they would have beaten such non -conference "powers" as Hawaii, Arkansas, and Fresno State - all teams that might be good - just not at USC's level - so it would be the same with Linfield or any other team - a winning seaon, an undefeated season, a conference championship, a national championship - all of these are good accomplishments.

I know it might mean more to everybody if your 9, 10, or more wins came against ranked teams or even teams with winning records, but wins are wins.  When people look back at winning streaks and other accomplishments, most times they don't say yes they won 25 games in a row, but 10 of those games were against teams with losing records....
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on October 05, 2005, 07:16:25 pm
Big difference in getting a home game and not having to travel to play the #1 seed. Redlands has four playoff appearances in the last fourteen years on the road against the big dogs.

1990  #1 Central 20  Redlands 14
1992  #1 UW-Lacrosse 47 Redlands 26 (Lacrosse was National Champs that year)
2002  #1 St. Johns 31  Redlands  23
2003  #1 Linfield    31  Redlands  23

If the same happened to Oxy last year it would have been one and done at Linfield. I was happy for Oxy last year but it is time for them to play somebody.


I suspect in each of those years Redlands had at least one loss to a non-conference opponent.  By playing a tough schedule, they put the selection committee in a position to pit them against the #1 seed each year.  One wonders if their playoff record would be different had they gone undefeated in those years after playing an easier schedule, essentially preventing the committee from putting them against the #1 seed in the first round.

Oxy may get some **** for their scheduling over the past few years, but perhaps there is a good reason for it -- SCIAC teams with non-conference losses aren't treated fairly by the selection committee (just think of the 2001 Oxy team that opened the season with a loss to Menlo then went undefeated the remainder of the season and still didn't get a playoff spot).
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 05, 2005, 07:23:08 pm
The 1992 Redlands team lone loss was to a very good DII Hayward State team 21-8.

Xfactor, you make some good points about playoff selection. I would just like to see Oxy play some better teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 05, 2005, 08:17:08 pm
great points on both sides....

I think given OXY's  pre-season ranking of #8 and now currently #6 that they had nothing to gain by playing tough non-confrence teams, If they lose their ranking will drop. I think that if they go undefeated and other teams falter they will get an easier road to the championship.... PS lets say Linfield was #1 and OXY was # 2 I think they should be put into different brackets..any chance of this happening?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on October 05, 2005, 09:35:38 pm
CawCdad, yea Cal Lu does like to throw the ball, although as stated before they have 2 backs who compliment each other very well, one tough and straight ahead the other shifty and quick, I kinda would bet the Danny Jones is gonna want to throw some balls up as he is from that area and was considering going to Menlo before heading to Cal Lu so I think he will want to make a good showing, but the game plan will dictate things to some degree and the success of it.  Also I see Menlo has given up about 1200 yards rushing so far this year and Squires (coach) may want to see how that will work out, Menlo has played a tuff schedule this year and with Lindfield and Whitworth on the near future they better get it together.  Last year aganist Cal Lu their db's were small but played pretty well, their LB's were bad though but that was last year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on October 06, 2005, 12:18:50 am
PS lets say Linfield was #1 and OXY was # 2 I think they should be put into different brackets..any chance of this happening?

That's not going to happen.

Just two points about the Oxy cup cake schedule.

1) Oxy could wind up being a victim of their own success.  If Oxy is able to stay as strong I think they'll find it more difficult to schedule teams like Colorado College and Lewis & Clark (if they are even around anymore after the year).  Oxy could wind up in a situation where they can only find games with the likes of a Azusa Pacific, Linfield, etc.

2) In terms of this year...let's say that Oxy, Linfield, SJU, and UW-Whitewater all go undefeated in the regular season.  I think it would be safe to say the Linfield would be the top sead in the west but since SJU and UW-Whitewater both play tougher schedules you could see Oxy with a 4 seed and one the road after the first round.

While that worked out last year, the second round game could either be up at Linfield or out to SJU or Whitewater in 30 degree weather. 

Granted....A LOT of football is left and all four of these teams could very well get dinged but right now Oxy could very well not even be the #2 seed in the west.  Why?  They haven't played any one worth a darn.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CarloRossiLep on October 06, 2005, 12:54:56 am
I'm of the opinion that if a team isn't pushed to the edge they won't know what they're made out of or how to keep their composure.  Sure, Whittier was close, but was that due to Whittier being a good team or Whittier coming out super pumped and Oxy kind of over looking them. I'll say the latter. USC can schedule weak opponents and make up for it later because of their huge advantage in talent over everybody else.  Oxy's good.  NOT THAT GOOD!!!

ULV smoked CMS and they didn't even play close to their potential.  They came out really flat.  Must have been looking forward to this weeks test against Redlands.  I know they're going to be pumped for them.  Last year we let it slip through our fingers but it was a good lesson (even though the same exact thing happened at CalLu the next week) that will be remembered for this year.  I'm sure Dean Mozelle was out in all his glory this week.  The Leps run D is awesome so I don't expect Redlands to get much there.  So once they become one dimensional ULV's sick LB's and DE's are going to be on that QB like Boomer on a drunk girl.
Last week the O complimented the pass game by rushing for 200.  The O-line is clicking and the RB's are hitting the seams.

ULV 43
Redlands 28

P.S.
Wildcat11
Nice points on the correlation between non-conference schedules and post season seeding.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 06, 2005, 11:42:50 am
Granted, I don't know how far in advance schedules are actually made, but I know that Oxy has been playing Colorado College for a long time, at least since the mid '90s.  As one of the few independents in the West Region, CC is playing CMS, Oxy UPS, L&C, and Menlo this year.  Up until recent years, Oxy was probably on par with those schools and more than likely have contractual agreements with them.  Well, L&C doesn't care about agreements.....but, that's another story.

I would love to see Oxy play the stronger NWC conference teams, but I don't know if that would be helpful for post season seeding purposes.  So far, at least in the last two years, this formula has worked will for them.  Of course, we don't know what their schedule is like next year, and beyond. 

In theory, playing a tough schedule would be great for us to have more to talk about here and other places, just not sure there is much purpose of playing a tough schedule if you can still be ranked #6 this year.  Remember, for most of the season last year, Oxy was under the radar until the end.

If the rest of the conference could step up the level of Oxy and Redlands, then this discussion would be dead.

One more thing, I don't know if Concordia-Moorhead chose to play the Tigers at the Fargo Dome.  I think that if they had their choice, they would have loved to play a SoCal team outside.  I don't know who made that decision last year, but it didn't seem to be giving the home team too much of an advantage.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on October 06, 2005, 12:29:52 pm
Oxyfan21,

Being ranked and ranked high is great for the teams, fans, and school images.  It is really something to be proud of.  However,  when it comes for playoff seeding the rankings of d3football.com doesn't mean squat.  (The rankings could plant the seed in the committee members heads but I have no idea if that though carries any weight).

Maybe Pat could shed some light on this thought but if Linfield, SJU, and Oxy all go undefeated on the year, would SJU or Oxy hold the edge in higher regional seeding?  Maybe Oxy has the edge because of last year's run but SJU does play in a higher thought of conference in terms of competitiveness.

Regardless, the seeding process should be an interesting one.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 06, 2005, 12:30:47 pm
OxyFan-

You make several good points, and it is somewhat troubling to acknowledge that an easier schedule actually helps when it comes to playoff seedings.

I am sort of puzzled about how Oxy's recent success has elevated them in the eyes of some on this board to the status of longtime conference power.  As recently as 2002 the Tigers were 1-4 in conference play (and sub .500 in 1999 and 2000 as well). The Tigers have certainly fielded strong teams the last three years,  I guess I prefer to take a longer term view.

Redlands/LaVerne is definitely the game to watch this week.  Both teams seem to be coming on in the last few weeks.  The race for second place, if Oxy does indeed remain in first, could have playoff implications for LaVerne, Redlands, or Cal Lu if any one of them can run the table.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on October 06, 2005, 07:02:42 pm
Just for the record my Redlands team in 2002 was 5-0 in league, so we did not have a loss.....the only team who came close was Oxy, we rolled-up every other team!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 06, 2005, 09:54:15 pm
I certainly appreciate all of the good feedback from people in this room.  I definitely know that Oxy was not a power when I was there from '96-'00, but it is what it is.  They have been playing well for the past 2-3 years and I am happy for the school...

Like I have said before, I don't know if an easier schedule is good for seedings or not, but it's almost like the tune-up schedules that the majority of D-1 basketball schools play.  Good and bad, and arguments can be made for both. 

Because the SCIAC has the auto qualifier now, I don't think that they will upgrade their out-of-conference schedule all that much. 

I think the important thing is that the rest of the conference begin to match up well with the top teams and that we start to build ourselves within the SCIAC.

Too bad we can't really measure ourselves (financial limitations, etc) legitimately against the midwest (where I live now) and east coast teams until post-season.   

I am only one, of many.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChiTownOxyMoron on October 06, 2005, 10:35:23 pm
I'm all for a change of schedule for OXY. In fact, I'd like to see some out of region action, say somewhere near Chicago. It'd be pretty sweet to see a game out here in the midwest. Hey oxyfan, if it ever happens (don't hold your breath) we'll have to do some major tailgating.

By the way, there is a benefit to playing weaker teams like CC and L&C. It was mentioned before that very often it gives younger players a chance to mature, but it also gives the team the experience of playing a road game a long way away from home. With games in either Oregon or Colorado, there is also the chance for bad weather, which can help come playoff time when a team has to travel halfway across the country and play in the snow. True you can get that with tougher teams, but there is always a greater risk of getting players injured in meaningless non-conference games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on October 06, 2005, 10:36:57 pm
New guy to the board.... My two cents.  If Oxy is not 8-1 last year they do not get a home game.  In 1999, Redlands goes 7-2 and does not make the playoffs.  They are just unbelievable and, if they are invited to the playoffs, they would have opened some eyes.  If they would have had last years Oxy schedule they would have made the playoffs.  What kind of message does that send to the players.  Lets play bad teams so that we can make the playoffs or we can do like Coach Maynard and schedule tough opponents to show the boys what it takes to be good.  Oxy, at least have some balls and schedule Azuza.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2005, 11:42:24 pm
Because the SCIAC has the auto qualifier now, I don't think that they will upgrade their out-of-conference schedule all that much.

Actually, that's exactly why teams can upgrade their out of conference schedule. Without an automatic bid, SCIAC teams basically had to go 9-0 to get in. Now you can go 6-3 and get in if you win the conference games.

I am sure Oxy will be looking to replace L&C next year given the program may not exist, or might drop Oxy on short notice. It would be a good time to set up a series with someone like Willamette or Whitworth or Wartburg or ... even someone decent who doesn't start with W.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on October 07, 2005, 02:15:05 am
New guy to the board.... My two cents.  If Oxy is not 8-1 last year they do not get a home game.  In 1999, Redlands goes 7-2 and does not make the playoffs.  They are just unbelievable and, if they are invited to the playoffs, they would have opened some eyes.  If they would have had last years Oxy schedule they would have made the playoffs.  What kind of message does that send to the players.  Lets play bad teams so that we can make the playoffs or we can do like Coach Maynard and schedule tough opponents to show the boys what it takes to be good.  Oxy, at least have some balls and schedule Azuza.

Are you saying Coach Widolff hasn't shown the boys what it takes to be good?  The two playoff wins last season speak for something.  Given the option, I'd rather play  tough opponents in Rounds 1, 2 and 3 of the playoffs than weeks 1 and 2 of the regular season.

With 2 SCIAC championships in 4 years, and a good chance to add a 3rd this year, Coach Widolff is doing something right.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on October 07, 2005, 03:36:33 am
It would be great if a SCIAC team would actually agree to play a tough non-conference team.  A few years ago Redlands was playing Linfield early in the season but was being blown out every year.  From what I have heard Redlands and other SCIAC teams won't agree to schedule Linfield in the regular season, probably because they are afraid of losing by 40.

However, scheduling with Linfield and other NWC schools would help all parties.  It would fill schedules with other teams within the region which of course look much better than filling holes with NAIA teams.  And even if they games aren't against Linfield most SCIAC teams would have to play a great game to beat Willamette, Whitworth or PLU most years.  I actually think most NWC fans think the second or third place NWC team would win the SCIAC most years.

The reputation of the SCIAC outside of Southern California is that it may be the weakest conference in the west region.  Until SCIAC teams step up and prove themselves against good regional competition they will never get to host the multiple playoff games that all of you want or get two teams in the playoffs.  So, quit padding your schedules against Lewis and Clark and show everyone if you are as good as you think you are.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 07, 2005, 10:48:58 am
Rockcat-

I agree, I'd like to see SCIAC teams play more games against NWC teams other than L & C and UPS (although I know there's constantly talk about how UPS is rebuilding) - and I think that's something we'll see more of in the years to come.

Linfield, however, is in a unique position.  Sometimes you are just so flat out good that no one wants to play you.  It just happens.  In the early 1980's Cal Lu started giving scholarships and joined a football only conference that included the likes of Sacramento State, Portland State, and Cal Poly SLO, in large part because many of the other small colleges in Southern California were tired of playing them and there was no conference affiliation to tie teams into games.  The Division II experiment lasted until the late 1980's, at which point CLU was fortunate to be able to join the SCIAC.  My point is not that Linfield will have to follow a similar path, it's just that as long as they are dominant they're going to find themselves searching farther afield for non-conference competition - a situation I know is made even more frustrating by the loss of a conference game with L & C.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on October 07, 2005, 11:06:32 am
Scandihoovian,

Good points but I think that all things go in cycles.  Next year the Linfield team that comes out on the field is going to be very different than the past two seasons.  I know Linfield will still be a very strong team and program but when you lose four All-Americans on offense there is going to have to be a growth period for the players taking the place of some dynamic playmakers.

If you're going to take down Linfield as a Oxy, Redlands, or LeVerne....early in the season next year is going to be as good as shot as any.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 07, 2005, 11:28:46 am
Pat,
Very good point.  Sorry for not thinking it all the way through. 

Chi-Town,
I think it would be great for Oxy to play...say, Wash U...ha...b/c I'm here in STL...but also b/c I think they would be a good match, institutionally. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 07, 2005, 11:34:34 am
I don't know if Oxy would schedule Azusa b/c of their NAIA status.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on October 07, 2005, 11:36:16 am
WC11 and Hoovian,

I agree with both of you.  Right now the success of one program is going to more firmly establish the SCIAC on the DIII map.  I can think back to the late 90's when the NWC was new to DIII.  Despite the history some of the programs had it took a few years before the conference had the respect of their new peers.  It probably wasn't until PLU won the Stagg Bowl in '99 that anybody outside of Washington and Oregon even thought about the NWC.  WC11 probably can even speak to his more than I can.

In following years other NWC schools started playing other quality teams outside the conference.  I can think back to Whitworth playing Bethel a couple of times and as much as I can't stomach Willamette you got to give them credit for playing a brutal schedule almost every year.

Oxy's success last year wasn't quite as dramatic as PLU's but there are some similarities.  I understand that most teams wouldn't want to schedule Linfield right now but a Whitworth, Willamette, Bethel, Stevens-Point, pick a Texas team, would all make perfect sense.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 07, 2005, 12:30:18 pm
One consistent NWC-SCIAC matchup over the last 8-9 years has been PLU-CLU.  I bring it up because of the connection to that '99 PLU team.  That year's game was one of the best I've ever seen in person.  PLU got up big early and the Kingsmen came storming back, scoring with about 1:30 left to pull within two.  The wideout who caught the touchdown pass got hit with an excessive celebration flag for pointing at his buddies standing behind the end zone and the 2 point conversion from the 18 yard line failed.  On the following series, true to form, Frosty went for it on 4th and 1 on his own 28 - well within field goal range for CLU should they get the ball back.  The Lutes gained their one yard (the measurement was one of those where the ref gets the card out to see if slides between the stick and the nose of the ball) and that was the ball game.  That Lute team showed a lot of character hanging on to the win, and it was fun to watch them go on to the national title.  I think these are the kind of contests we'd see more of if the two conferences developed these kinds of series.  Sorry for the rambling post, as you can tell I still get fired up thinking about that game.

WC11-
I think we are all interested to see what will happen to Linfield next year.  Will they rebuild or reload?  Oxy (w/ Collins) vs. Linfield (without Elliot) next September would be a compelling matchup for sure.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on October 07, 2005, 12:49:57 pm
Scand,

49 winning season....it's usualy reloading at Linfield.  But Elliott is a big loss but even more than that might be the WR corp of Allen, Hazenberg, and McKecknie.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 07, 2005, 02:21:36 pm
Great conversation going on here. I am all for the SCIAC/NWC to sign an exclusive contract to schedule non-conference games. A good way to do it would be on a rotating basis. For two years you might get Linfield/PLU, then you rotate to someone else. It would be really good for both conferences to take care of scheduling problems and would help develop a potential future rivalry between the two.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 07, 2005, 03:04:43 pm
I like the idea, RFB - I assume you're thinking one road & one home each year?  I know for some SCIAC schools two trips up north in one year is too much for their travel budget, but it seems like one trip is reasonable.  I think the key would be how you pair the schools.

WC11-  The same may apply to Oxy.  I was impressed with their receiving corps - but I haven't checked to see who's gone after this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 07, 2005, 03:10:20 pm
Yeah it would be one home and one away. You would play the the same teams for two years and then rotate. It would be perfect, the third game for the SCIAC conference teams could be Chapman and the NWC could schedule Eastern or Southern Oregon.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 07, 2005, 11:50:05 pm
I'm not sure whether Lewis & Clark will play next year, but it looks like Oxy would be on their current schedule for 2006. The other three teams L&C plays this year may complete their home and home series this year.

This will be the fifth year in a row for Oxy to play L&C.
It will be the second  year for CMS.
It will be the fourth year for Chapman and the sixth for Colorado College.

Oxy has played Colorado College every year since 1999.  So it looks like they would at least be scheduled for 2006 at Oxy.

It appears that Oxy prefers long term relations with similar schools  rather than schedule for strictly football reasons. 


Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 08, 2005, 02:11:26 am
Here is a fun fact about the history of SCIAC Football...

During the 1920 and 1921 seasons, UCLA was 0-10 against SCIAC schools.  I am sure there was no SCIAC back then, but wishfull thinking isn't all that bad.  UCLA was out-scored 438-35 over those 10 games.  In 1922, UCLA won only one game, a 34-9 game against Redlands. Take that Northwest Conference ;D.

I have to find a better way to fill up my days.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 08, 2005, 11:01:50 am
The SCIAC was founded in 1915.

UCLA was a member from 1920 to 1927.  Go Bruins! Beat OXY USC! ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 08, 2005, 05:53:56 pm
Oxy 34

Colorado College 10.

Final.  CC scores a touchdown as time expires.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 08, 2005, 08:49:09 pm
looks like OXY will move up in the rankings with a mary harden loss, right?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2005, 08:52:08 pm
I guess, but Oxy is already about as high as I can vote for them.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 08, 2005, 11:25:26 pm
so how do you anticipate this whole thing playing out? do you think mary harden will still be a top 5 team?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 08, 2005, 11:29:13 pm
Redlands  10    Halftime
Laverne     7
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CarloRossiLep on October 08, 2005, 11:34:22 pm
Sloppy O.
Tough D though.
ULV needs to establish more on the ground.  Guerrero trying to force too much.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gig Harbor Cat on October 08, 2005, 11:46:57 pm
Linfield has had 48 pretty good years without the Butcher and I expect that next year will be more of the same.  Cats reload  AGAIN in 06

   GHC
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 08, 2005, 11:58:31 pm
Redlands  13   3rd quarter
Laverne     7
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 09, 2005, 12:14:59 am
Redlands  19  3rd quarter
Laverne     7
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 09, 2005, 12:33:00 am
Redlands  26 4th quarter
Laverne     7
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CarloRossiLep on October 09, 2005, 12:33:48 am
Oooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccccccccc chhhhhhhhhhhh!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 09, 2005, 12:35:45 am
Redlands  32  4th quarter
Laverne     7
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 09, 2005, 12:47:27 am
Redlands  32  4th quarter
Laverne    14
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 09, 2005, 01:15:07 am
Redlands  32    Final
Laverne    14

Nice win Dawgs, way to dominate in your conference opener.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on October 09, 2005, 02:19:34 am
Great win by the bulldogs tonight...seems like they found a tail back, and looked good when throwing the ball deep.  Redlands should have scored 45 tonight, but we were crappy inside the twenty....

Looks like we have somethings to work on, but great game!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 09, 2005, 05:13:36 pm
Well nice job Redlands...but you'll have your hands full when you play OXY ....they have not lost a home game since OCT 11 2003 ( which they should have won -  but fumbled on the 1 yard line and ended up not scoring the wining TD.....ouch....but different team now ) before that they havent lost since OCT. 26 2002 ....

My point to all this rambeling is that every player on the OXY team knows how to handle business at home....The seniors have experienced the most losses at home with only 2...the jrs. 1 loss...the sophs 0...the frosh 0.... should be a GREAT GAME...

OXY enjoy the week off and get ready
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on October 09, 2005, 09:43:46 pm
Liger,

#6 is dang good no matter how you cut it but it looks like SJU leaped over Oxy this week with UMHB dropping to #11.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 09, 2005, 10:48:50 pm
Listening to the Redlands radio team on Saturday night they mentioned Oxy for many years has found a way to schedule their bye week going into the Redlands game. I would to if I was the coaches at Oxy, Redlands has been the dominant and model program for the SCIAC for fifteen years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 09, 2005, 11:05:19 pm
RFB,
Seems to me like a smart thing to do...Having an extra week to prepare for a tough game is always good.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 10, 2005, 01:34:12 am
Wow...I can't believe OXY is still #6...I guess I don't get the rankings but wtf !!!! how can st johns go from #7 to #5 ? ST JOHNS beat a team that was 2-3, is a bethel win worth that much more than a win against CC ? I am all for giving teams recognition for beating top ranked teams but st johns has not deserved to jump over oxy. period.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2005, 01:46:27 am
No more or less than what Oxy has done this year to merit being No. 6.

I think some voters were holding back on St. John's waiting for them to play well against someone decent, and that's what they did this week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: repete on October 10, 2005, 02:51:31 am
Pat nailed it, but yes, Bethel in a down year is much stronger than CC is in an up year. Look at CC's schedule -- the only victory is vs. a part-time program and its only close game was against Whittier.

Two of Bethel's three losses are to current top 25 teams and the other team it lost to is 5-0. Also, Oxy's soft schedule doesn't help its case -- when was the last time its non-conference opponents had a winning record?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 10, 2005, 10:51:02 am
Liger-

I appreciate your passion for Oxy but you seem to lack a deeper understanding of the dynamics of D3 on the national level.  St. John's has all of the standard advantages when it comes to polls:  historical success, a well respected conference, and a strong schedule.  Right now Oxy is like a team from the old ACC who had a nice run last year and played the Citadel, North Carolina A & T,  and Louisiana Monroe on their non-conference schedule.  I suspect that OXY might have grabbed that #5 spot if they had beaten Whitworth or one of the Texas schools (Hardin Simmons, Trinity, etc.) this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 10, 2005, 11:30:42 am
Hey guys,

you guys are completly right, I do not fully understand the ranking system, however, all of st johns victories are ageainst teams that are 1-3 in the WIAC, 1-3 in the MIAC, 2-3 in the MIAC etc.... basically they are winning against teams with losing records .... isnt that what they are supposed to be doing ? and by that same logic, isn't OXY do what they are supposed to be doing by beating up teams like CC and Chapman...and in league whittier and cal who ???
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: repete on October 10, 2005, 11:59:15 am
I think you have to look a little deeper. Yes UWEC is 2-3 -- losses to No. 5 SJU, No. 7 Whitewater and the NAIA No. 2 team St. Francis, which beat a scholarship I-AA school (Indiana State.)

But we'll know by the end of the month if SJU deserves its spot.  We might even find out this Saturday. These things aren't science that's why they change every week. :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 10, 2005, 12:04:09 pm
Oxy's ranking is based on what they did last year in the playoffs. They should not move up for beating CC and L&C. They should be happy to be ranked in the top ten and keep working hard to prove that they deserve the ranking.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 10, 2005, 12:11:14 pm
Ligerlover;

Welcome to the WEST COAST..  and D3...

The J's can play cupcakes and still jump, Qxy WHO? 

Go Cats

50 in 05
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 10, 2005, 12:36:46 pm
I guess it doesn't matter anyway...all Oxy needs is a top 6 ranking to get homefield for first couple games of the play-offs...... right?  that is until they play linfiled which hopefully won't happen till west region championship game ! Oxy doesn't really need to jump unless Linfield gets upset, then it would be nice to carry the highest seed in the west
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 10, 2005, 12:42:38 pm
ps i think this whole karma thing is getting out of hand.....i think i have provoked some good chat on the SCIAC page and do not feel like i am disrespecting anyone, so whats up with the neagtive karma?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 10, 2005, 12:43:38 pm
Liger,

Oxy has to get past Redlands first. Last time I checked Redlands was no Colorado College or Lewis & Clark. Redlands dismantled a pretty good Laverne team this past Saturday night. Better to worry about Redlands first before figuring out what playoff seed you deserve.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on October 10, 2005, 12:44:49 pm
Liger,

Like I said before, you need to be cheering someone to knock off UW-Whitewater or SJU.  I know it's a big "if" because there is much football to be played (especially in the WIAC) but if Oxy, Whitewater, and SJU all run the table during the regular season....Oxy could be looking at a 4 seed in the West Region.


Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 10, 2005, 12:51:26 pm
Good Point RFB... .I know I am looking pretty far ahead and believe me when I say that OXY has a lot of respect for Redlands and will not take the game lightly.

Hey pat, will having a #4 seed really make a difference though? I mean like you said if we run the table, won't Linfield still be number #1 (presumably) and therefore the best OXy could hope for is 2 home play-off games ?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 10, 2005, 12:52:50 pm
oh never mind...i see what you mean
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 10, 2005, 01:36:00 pm
S.C.I.A.C fans,

I hope everyone had a good weekend at any football games that you attended.
So far so good to hear that teams did good. I was surprised to hear that U.L.V had a chance for a while against Redlands, but didn't get the job done. Hope, U.L.V bounces back.

Anyways, seems like the tigers have a week off. Which is good. But, i hope that everyone keeps in mind that this is not a week for oxy to just slack off. Believe me, when oxy has a bye week, they are working extra hard to prepare for the neek game. I know they will be busting their tails off and studying extra hard to prove to the league that they are contenders. These next two weeks will be vital for the tigers in order to get a win over a good Redlands team.  However, to all you Redlands fans, make sure you understand that these are the biggest  weeks that Oxy will dedicate in learninng how to dismantel Redlands.

This team will take it one week at a time, but, Redlands has been on their minds since yesterday and from now on.  Should be a fun week and a great time for the tigers to mentally and physically get ready for the Dawgs. Nows the time for the tigers to earn more their stripes.

Go Oxy...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 10, 2005, 02:49:04 pm
What is the story with LaVerne?

I thought their win over UPS showed promise, but Redlands clearly handled them on Saturday.  I know the Bulldogs always get stronger as the year goes on, and their two losses were both against tough opponents - but I guess I expected the Leos to make it a much closer game.  Are they inconsistent - or is it a matter of Redlands exploiting their weaknesses?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 10, 2005, 03:14:46 pm
I think it is just a matter of playing a stronger team in Redlands. The score should have been a lot higher, Redlands didn't play a great game. Redlands is getting stronger with every game but they will need to play close to a perfect game to beat Oxy. First they need to handle the Poets at Ted Runner this Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on October 10, 2005, 03:17:11 pm
Liger,

Before we start talking about home filed advantage lets talk about Redlands/Oxy...if Redlands gets past PP this weekend its going to be a good one.  Its not like the game is going to be USC vs. University of San Diego.  Redlands could very easily be 3-1 right now...and if they had beaten Trinity you know they would be in the top 25......

Its going to be a war...and I am getting excited just thinking about it in my office!!!

Bo Bulldogs!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on October 10, 2005, 11:09:23 pm
Seems like I remember someone posting about the very good D line of LaVerne, did they forget to show-up or did they just get their ticket punched by a better O line for Redlands.  Good job Redlands, glad to see the win, but 13-7 at half, was it a matter of half time adjustments?  Maynard is good at mixing things up. and I was glad to see Coleman start to be getting more throws.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacfan17 on October 11, 2005, 12:42:12 am
Redlands was very well prepared for La Verne and it was evident as the defensive stopped a potent La Verne offense.  La Verne is a good team, however they did not play to their potential against Redlands and it resulted in their dismay. 

Oxy is good, but as everyone has previously posted, they best team they have played is Cal Lu, who is good, but CC and L&C are mediocre at best.  It will be interesting to see the Oxy/Redlands game and the Oxy/La Verne game, Oxy must prepare better than they did for Whittier.  Redlands has played the toughest schedule in the SCIAC.

Cal Lu/La Verne should be a good one this week.  Homecoming for La Verne.

Whats the word on the other SCIAC schools (Claremont, Whittier, PP)?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CarloRossiLep on October 11, 2005, 01:57:22 am
The D line is good.  The Redlands O-line wasn't that much better.  The D got tired due to the ineptitude of ULV's O.  Maybe Redlands D was tough.  Maybe injuries slowed down some key players on O.  No excuses though.  Redlands was prepared and they executed where La Verne didn't.  The O probably went three and out 80 percent of the second half.  I don't think its a coincidence that while this was happening the Redlands O started to grind on the ground.  Good for them.  The seasons not over though.  Redlands still has to beat 5 other SCIAC teams before they're the champs.  I don't think that's going to happen.  ULV played a bad game.  Hopefully it wakes them up for the rest of the season.  CalLu's up next and they better look out for an angry bunch of guys who are ready to make people forget about last week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on October 11, 2005, 05:54:43 pm
Liger,

Did you see the AFCA top 25 this week?   Three West Region Teams are head of the #8 Oxy Tigers.  Better be pulling for the Cobbers and Eagles this weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 12, 2005, 12:37:21 pm
there is nothing more than i would love than to send OXY back to horse**** north dakota in that loud little arena and give the cobbers another slap in the mouth. I hope that the cobbers knock off the johnies and that OXY faces them in the play-offs again. As for the johnies....I'd imagine that the cobbers will beat them and knock them out of the top 5. I think St Johns will be exposed for what they truely are this weekend...a team that  thinks they are good for beating teams with 2-3 records. I dont care how good the teams were that those 2-3 teams lost to...good teams find a way to win and the rest are just ****ing losers...period.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 12, 2005, 12:45:28 pm
and as for you wildcat 11... while I must say you have the more intellegance than most of the people in the SCIAC discussion board the fact still remains that you should go back to your NWC page and butt out of SCIAC affairs. So take your won advice and jailbreak the hell out of here you washed up old fart.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 12, 2005, 12:45:59 pm
*own
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 12, 2005, 12:53:45 pm
Liger-

If you click on "modify" you're able to make changes in a previous message.  It's especially helpful after making a gramatically challenged post about the intelligence of other posters.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on October 12, 2005, 01:11:25 pm
I guess he should stay on the NWC board...The only real SCIAC business Linfield will have all year is ending Oxy's season in November...if St. John's doesn't get em' first, or Redlands for that matter...

Pretty big words for a St. Johns team that's actually won something in the past.  Face it, nobody thinks much of your big road wins over Lewis and Clark and the Colorado School of the Blind.  And I don't think the Cobbers will make the same mistake and play you indoors this year, I know St. Johns won't, good luck with that...

I'm getting more and more respect for RFB and his boys.  At least they don't come on here and woof about being ranked only #6.  At least his guys will have played a playoff caliber team before week 11.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 12, 2005, 01:11:50 pm
Liger,

Wildcat11 has been a resident of post patterns/d3football.com long before you showed up with your rants. He is welcome here in the SCIAC board just like everyone else. I will back him all day over you and I am sure others will as well.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on October 12, 2005, 01:37:49 pm
  As a long time viewer and fairly new poster I tend to agree that Wildcat 11 knows his stuff.  He is not a flamer unlike the new Oxy guys who have showed up this year... Gotta love a bandwagon.  As for my Dawgs, lets win this homecoming game and then shock the world against the Ligers.  Although, beating those guys would be a shock to only them.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 12, 2005, 01:42:13 pm
Men,

Stop being bitter. We all will get the chance to beat another team on the field. Sounds like most of you guys are waiting for rankings and playoffs already. Just relax and take one game at a time. We still have a bunch of regular season games left. I hope all of you get that point. Let's just worry about one game at a time every saturday.

Anywho's, this saturday should look good for Whitter and U.L.V to rebound from their losses. Hopefully, they get back to their rebuilding phases. Looks like Pomona is having a rough time. Any word on the Stags?  

Nevertheless, as I had mentioned, i know we are not that far into the future but next weeks Oxy game should be great. I undertsand that i also need to worry about one week at a time, but, the tigers have a week off. Which leaves me to cheer on for next weekend's game. Hope to see all Redlands fans show up at the Rock and witness a good Oxy team dismantle their team. It should be a great game. (Hopefully, it doesn't end up like it did in 2003 where Oxy just lost on a fumble at the 1yrd line). That really hurt all the of the seniors that year. Anyway's, the tigers will do just fine.

Gook luck to all
 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 12, 2005, 01:51:10 pm
It's not being bitter, just responding to an idiotic post.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on October 12, 2005, 02:00:45 pm
  That game in 2003 was a good game and I think blaming the fumble for the loss is typical Oxy attitude.  Redlands could easily use losing Les Simon in last years game as the reason they lost, but face it they admit they got beat.  That is neither here nor there,  Bulldogs have to take care of this week to keep the undefeated sciac season alive.
  With Lewis and Clark dropping football, does the NWC have any chance of gettign a second playoff team?  
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on October 12, 2005, 02:25:42 pm
Good question, Whitworth is about the only other team worthy of a 2nd spot...maybe, and they've still got tough games to play.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on October 12, 2005, 03:15:31 pm
Bulldog,

I would say that Whitworth has the best shot right now but I think Pool B might be full already with Thiel (a surprising 5-0), Salisbury, and Washington & Jeff in front of the Rats. 

All three of these teams has a pretty clear shot a not taking another loss for rest of the season.  I think that Linfield will be the only NWC team with the dancing shoes on.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on October 12, 2005, 05:15:45 pm
I love that the message boards are heating up!!! Homecoming is going to be great...I am disapointed we cant meet RFB....

Got a BBQ planned at my (Patrick Heisinger) house on Saturday any Redlands alum are welcome!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 12, 2005, 05:32:43 pm
Pat,

Sorry I can't make it, we will meet one day for sure. Make sure the boys are rowdy and ready to roll. Make sure you tell Rock to leave his badge and gun at home. The guy is just as crazy today as he was knocking heads ten years ago.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 12, 2005, 11:18:53 pm
Liger- And you wonder why your Karma is the way it is.  I would rather read a post from someone who truly knows D-III football (Wildcat 11) no matter where they might post from.  OXY has started out very strong, but like others have said, there is still a lot of football to be played.  With that said, funny things can happen so I would not be punching my playoff ticket just yet.

Browneagle- Just curious why you would say that this should be a good week for La Verne.  DO you think they are going to have an easy time with Cal LU?  Just wondering.  Good Luck to all this weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChiTownOxyMoron on October 13, 2005, 02:14:11 am
I'm just wondering why everyone considers new Oxy posters bandwagon fans. I know a few of us personally, and we started posting the season after we graduated from Oxy. Since we aren't supposed to post as players, that doesn't make us bandwagon fans, just recent grads. It's not like we followed Oxy closely before we played there. Hell, I hadn't even heard of it untill I was looking at applying to undergrad, and it offered me a chance to play another four years of football. I'd have to believe that's the way it is for most D3 schools.

You can absolutely attribute our postings to Oxy's recent success, but don't assume we're bandwagon. When you assume.... you know the rest of that old saying.

As for SCIAC happenings, I'd wait till at least the end of October to talk about any kind of playoff seedings. We all know Oxy is good, but we'll find out how good a week from Saturday. The Cal Lu/ La Verne game looks like it'll be a battle for third place, yeah? Any inside info on how it looks?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 13, 2005, 08:35:37 am
Chi-Town,
I'm with you...while not around as long as some on this board, I certainly don't jump on bandwagons.  While I was at Oxy from '96-'00 there was certainly no bandwagon to jump on even if I wanted to  :-\

That being said, no need for ranting posts dissing other people.

Should be a great few weeks and we'll see how everything turns out.  If Oxy does make it back to post-season, the players will leave it on the field.  I think Oxy students, in general, certainly do not have the attitude issues some are claiming here.

As a resident of STL, I have to say one more thing to you Chi-Town...GO CARDS!  You think people in SoCal are jumping on that Angels bandwagon?  Just a thought  ;).


Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on October 13, 2005, 10:53:51 am
I will explain why I call Oxy fans bandwagoners.  When we, the Bulldogs, played in Eagle Rock in 2001, for the championship, the Bulldogs fans outnumbered the Oxy fans.  Then in 2003, the same thing happened.  What is funny about that is that the Bulldogs have never drawn well.  Hope that clarifies the bandwagon issue. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lights On on October 13, 2005, 03:51:37 pm
Likewise, Oxy has never drawn well in terms of fan support. There is no such thing as a student-athlete at Oxy, there are only students. Teachers, fellow students and other administrative authorities care nothing of Oxy athletics, especially the football program; this is likely due to the stereotype that most football players are branded as meatheads and jocks...so that doesn't help in the support category. Oxy is a very strong academic institution with its focus strictly being academics. Any other attribute which increases Oxy's reputation is a bonus on top of everything else.  A high population of the student body last year were totally clueless to Oxy's playoff run, and probably still have no idea of Oxy's success this season, simply apathetic.  So to use the Redlands draw as means of explaining the "Oxy Bandwagon" effect is ridiculous. It is clear that the only supporters of Oxy football are the parents and a few friends/alumni capable of making it out to games...definitely not bandwagon material.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on October 13, 2005, 04:51:24 pm
Well stated about the people who come to the games.  Redlands is starting to see more people at their games, but when the local high schools played a couple of weeks ago they drew about 10,000.  it would be nice if the Redlands Oxy game had 5,000.  The was one of the cool things about St. John in 2002, they had 10,000 people in attendance.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on October 13, 2005, 05:02:22 pm
Bulldog,

SJU is an awesome place to play or watch a game.  I wasn't sure about that 10,000 number for the 2002 Redlands/SJU game.  I thought I remember seeing the stats and only about 2-3 thousand listed for that game.

I took a look at their stats and saw the announced attendance at: 2272 (http://www.gojohnnies.com/football/02fbstats/112302.htm)

That number is probably off but it always seem their crowd numbers go way down in the playoffs due to the weather, and the teams SJU play have to travel a long ways away and can't pack the place as well as MN. teams that are just down the block.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 13, 2005, 06:41:25 pm
Imagine that.  Just hours after making a comment about Liger and his karma being the way it is, mine takes a vote on the negative side.  Funny how these things work :).

Hmmm, Cal LU and ULV battle it out for third.  I still think you have to throw Redlands in there in that group.  If Cal LU bets ULV and Redlands, ahhhh, you all know what I mean.  I am sure looking forward to that CLU/Redlands game.  Hope it turns out to be a good one, say CLU by 21.  Just kidding Redlands fans.  Who knows, it could be the battle for 2nd place.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 13, 2005, 07:22:06 pm

I had mentioned this to everyone on the board during the summer and some of you guys forgot, i must agree that this is my first year as a poster on this site. I never knew such program like this existed and thus thought this was new. Until a couple of you guys proved me wrong. Like Chi-Town had mentioned, some of the recent grads of Oxy have been posting because we just graduated. Heck, i knew about oxy since 1998, but did not even know this  posting site existed.
What i am trying to say is that now that i figured out new things, i usually go a head a try it out.

Anyway's, just like the days at Oxy, I have learned to hear things from Redlands fans. Which is fine, that is just human nature. But as i have mentioned in the past, Oxy's future has just begun. Everything they do is just going in the right way. Just as i had seen when i was there.  So, i congratulate them. But I know as well as they know, they have to take it one game at a time. Which they will do fine against Redlands.

Tom B- I just think that U.L.V might do fine. Probabily should be a good game for both of them. Just thought that U.L.V could step up their game and make it close. THats all i meant

Good luck to all   
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 13, 2005, 07:43:20 pm
I got ya Browneagle.  I never thought you meant anything bad by it.  Havent seen ULV play, only seen the "Who" play once.  Sounds like it should be a great game.  How 'bout that Karma too.  Make a comment and it shoots right back up to even. ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Orange/Black32 on October 13, 2005, 08:02:07 pm
I will explain why I call Oxy fans bandwagoners.  When we, the Bulldogs, played in Eagle Rock in 2001, for the championship, the Bulldogs fans outnumbered the Oxy fans.  Then in 2003, the same thing happened.  What is funny about that is that the Bulldogs have never drawn well.  Hope that clarifies the bandwagon issue. 

Just an FYI, both times that Redlands played at the Rock, the low fan draw was due to the students being on fall break, not because of lack of team support. And I am not a bandwagoner, just a recent grad.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChiTownOxyMoron on October 13, 2005, 09:40:54 pm
I think that with success in any program fans, particularly ex-players, will feel more comfortable posting. I'm happy to see more post. It makes for a more diverse posting environment than there was last year. A greater variety of points of view make the debates more fun.

OxyFan- I am an Angel fan through and through. I grew up in Orange County, and I'm only in Chicago for grad school. Go Angels! I'd love to see Angels v. Cardinals in the World Series. I almost got killed by a hoard of screaming Sox fans at a bar last night after "The Call." A word of warning: Don't wear red to a south side bar this week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on October 13, 2005, 09:49:22 pm
In regards to the upcoming Redlands game with Oxy I would like to put my 2 Cents in, I gotta believe that there is no way Oxy is gonna let Redlands run on them, their D just plays the run tuff, atleast from what I have seen, Bryant and that bunch is very good at getting to the ball.  Several times I saw Bryant make tackels for a loss or short gain when he shouldn't have been near the play.  He has a very good knack for sliding down the line.  Redlands will need to pass to win the game, Coleman, Selway and the rest will need to step up and even more important the O line has to give the QB time.  As far as Oxy's O, if you can't contain Collins on the inital rush he will beat you everytime with his running or else his throwing, he looked very complete and has the WR to compliment him.  Their running game at the time I saw them wasn't that great but Collins made something from nothing over and over.
As far as Cal Lu/Laverne, last years game was a barn burner and I feel this one should be good also, I am gonna go with Cal Lu by 7, but not knowing much about LaVerne other then how they played Redlands it should be interesting.  Kinda wonder about the 10/7 half time score and the run away after the half time adjustments but I give Maynard alot of credit, he's a good coach.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Foss on October 14, 2005, 12:31:27 am
You guys should all read this week's Around the Nation. There's some good stuff on the SCIAC. Two things stand out relative to Occidental:

1. A quote from Redland's coach Mike Maynard: "There's lots of good football in conference and Oxy is leading the charge," Maynard said. "They haven't played the level of competition as some other teams, so I would expect them to be undefeated."

I wonder what he means by that?  ;)

2. ATN writer Keith McMillan seems to agree w/ Tiger fans who think their team should be ranked ahead of the MIAC leader. I don't know about that, but I figured some of you would like to hear it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 14, 2005, 10:31:13 am
Tom B-- Thanks for the suggestion, never thought that my Karma would drop. I Just wanted to support the other schools that are playing this weekend while the tigers are off for their bye week. I  also just wanted to point out that maybe, just maybe, U.L.V would make this a good game. Yes, their game last week at the Half was 10 to 7 to a good Redlands team. But, As i mentioned before, i just hope that U.L.V and Whitter end up turning heads this year. Nothing bad against anyone, just wondering if the game turns out to be good.

Still, waiting for next week though. Hopefully, all lot of people end up visiting the Rock next Saturday for a real good game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 14, 2005, 01:01:16 pm
ChiTown-
I appreciate what you have to add to the board, and if there's a bandwagon you need to watch out for it's the White Sox bandwagon.  There were maybe 100,000 people in that city who would claim to be Sox fans at the start of this season.  Of course if you're on the South Side (I'm assuming University of Chicago) that changes a little but I think you get my point.

As for the whole bandwagon issue, I think it's natural that success draws interest.  I realize that many of the younger Oxy guys who post here are only familiar with the recent history of the Tigers in the conference, that in turn can frustrate those of us with more of a long term perspective.  Regardless, I am glad to have more interest in the SCIAC and a larger discussion of what's going on with the conference.

I realize it's early for this kind of talk, and I know it's always tough for a conference to get 2 teams into the post-season, but there are two scenarios where that might happen:
1) Redlands runs the table with a close win over Oxy - making the Dogs champs and Oxy an 8-1 runner up.  The challenge here to Oxy would be their weak non-conference schedule.
2) Oxy and Cal Lu run the table.  Oxy is a 9-0 conference champ, Cal Lu is an 8-1 runner up.  Obvious drawback of Cal Lu is their poor showing at Oxy.  Saturday's game between CLU and LaVerne is a good opportunity for the Kingsmen to show that they are a much better team than they were on Sept. 24th.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Foss on October 14, 2005, 04:45:06 pm
scandihoovian, I've been wondering what would happen if Redlands defeats Oxy, too. I think Oxy's weak schedule might keep them out of the postseason. However, their good showing in the playoffs last year and very high ranking this season would make it interesting as far as them possibly receiving an at large bid. I think if Redlands wins the SCIAC, they may actually have a distant shot at a first round home game where they could host an at large Oxy or a second place NWC team that could sneak in. Redlands tough out of conference schedule (especially the great showing against Trinity) may help them out this year. Maybe the fact there was a second NWC team in the playoffs last year helped Oxy a little in getting a home game (saved on first round travel and cost expense having two west coast teams play), whereas when Redlands won the SCIAC in '02 and '03, there was only one other west coast team in the postseason, and a high seed at that (and yes, I'm aware Redlands had a worse overall regular season record those years than Oxy did in '04 which could have also played a role). Or, because Redlands will have two losses, they might have to travel again this year and they would pit the lower seeded NWC team (if one makes it) or at large Oxy against Linfield since there is no longer a first round bye. At any rate, I think a second place NWC team or at large Oxy would at least help the Bulldogs chances in finally getting a home game if they win the SCIAC. As for Cal Lu, like Redlands, I don't think they get in unless they win the conference. Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 14, 2005, 05:44:34 pm
foss:

I don't think "they" will let three west coats teams in this year, unless  the rats win out , which  could be an opiton.  I think you will see the so.cal team play the cats in the first round to save on the $$$$...

Go Cats 
50 in 05
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Foss on October 14, 2005, 06:22:16 pm
desertcat, I agree with you. There will likely only be a max of three west coasts teams and no more (NWC champ, SCIAC champ, and then maybe either a NWC Pool B (Whitworth if they win out), or an at large Pool C Oxy if they finish w/ one loss). I don't think there will be both a second place NWC team and second (Pool C) SCIAC team. Especially when it looks like the WIAC and MIAC may each have two teams worth considering this year which could really crowd things up. It will be interesting to see how they seed the west coast teams, especially if there are three.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 14, 2005, 07:08:44 pm
Foss and Desertcat-

I agree it's probably only three teams from the west coast.  Redlands has to win the conference, and it's likely that Cal Lu would have to as well (their only only other shot would seem to be Whitworth losing again and some of the midwestern teams tanking a bit as well).  On that count Redlands controls it own destiny - they can win out for a conference championship, the Kingsmen cannot.

I wonder if anyone knows how they would determine the conference representative if Redlands beats Oxy and Cal Lu beats Redlands?  Assuming all three win all of their other games that leaves all of them at 5-1 in the conference.

At any rate, I'm getting ahead of myself.  Big game for CLU at LaVerne on Saturday - lots of football left to be played.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 14, 2005, 08:19:14 pm
It will be interesting how the rest of the conference schedule plays out. Oxy is in the drivers seat with Redlands breathing down their necks. Cal Lu is still very much in it and the rest of the conference will try to play spoiler. If Redlands wins out I could see Oxy getting passed over due to their weak schedule. The games still need to be played though, it should be fun.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Foss on October 14, 2005, 08:39:36 pm
scand, Pat addresses that three way tie scenario in one of his "Frequently Asked Questions."
The answer: "You'd have to ask the conference in question. Each conference sets its own tiebreakers."

So I guess it's unclear at this time. I believe in strictly selecting a playoff participant, after the teams' conference and in-region D3 games, they would look at their overall record, especially against other D3 teams. In this case, Redlands would probably be out because they would have 3 losses. Oxy would have the edge over Cal Lutheran because they beat them head to head. However, I know this doesn't address the "but who wins the conference" question which is really what would determine who goes.

As RFB hints, the games still to be played should clear some of this up. How much, we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on October 16, 2005, 12:37:40 am
Redlands 17    :o     Whittier 17 3rdQ
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on October 16, 2005, 12:39:21 am
Redlands 24     Whittier   17     13:00 4th
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on October 16, 2005, 12:48:38 am
Poets intercept and run it in from 27 to tie w/ 10 min. to go.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 16, 2005, 12:50:22 am
Redlands  24
Whittier    24    

27 yard interception return for TD. Time to get it together Dawgs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 16, 2005, 12:52:59 am
densla , I thought Whitt was a cupcake?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 16, 2005, 01:02:14 am
Anybody is fodder to your Cats. I called Whittier as a spoiler months ago, good coaching staff in place. To bad they are going to lose tonight.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on October 16, 2005, 01:05:13 am
dc1...do not make RFB any more nervous than he is. Perhaps this is a bump in the road for Redlands.
I am looking forward to overtime.
(You are a d3 dynomo today)  ;)  I learned to add cuties to my posts.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 16, 2005, 01:12:34 am
densla, I am still try to learn???   I remember the last time we played them... Just like L & C...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 16, 2005, 01:13:12 am
I am not nervous, after USC/ND and Penn St/Michigan anything is possible.

Did USC get lucky or what? Talk about getting out coached.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 16, 2005, 01:14:32 am
98 yard bomb???
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 16, 2005, 01:14:53 am
L&C? At least the SCIAC does not have a possible folding program.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 16, 2005, 01:16:49 am
DS1,

4th and nine, a fade pattern? That is something I expect to see from Elliott to whoever. Must be nice to be Cat fan right now.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 16, 2005, 01:19:33 am
rfb,   yes it is for the last 50 years that's for sure..   but who is counting? 

Go cats  50 in 05..   L & C is a joke.. you won the toss, now get it done....   "IF"
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 16, 2005, 01:23:59 am
 1st.  Ot  dogs  hold... now the dogs O takes over?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 16, 2005, 01:25:47 am
DS1,

Your Cats have something special going. As much as I want your Cats to face my undersized Dawgs, I must say the Linfield program is impressive.  
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 16, 2005, 01:25:55 am
TD  DogS  WIN in OT  way to go ... dogs still 5 & 0  in OT.. Just like the cats  50 in 05..  

good night all it's been a long full day of d3..
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on October 16, 2005, 01:26:41 am
Run around RFB...that's what homecoming is supposed to be like, good coaching comes up with 1 play in overtime.
See you in a couple of weeks?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 16, 2005, 01:30:27 am
Hey, a win is a win. I am glad I found the fourth quarter. Beer is good, I love it. Cat fans look out because the Dawgs are on your scent.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 16, 2005, 10:58:44 am
rfb,
your dogs have to get by those (so. Cal cats) with the funny stripes first, then we can talk about a cat & dog fight?

Go cats 50 in 05
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 16, 2005, 01:47:33 pm
DC1,

Redlands has two very tough games coming up. If they can get by Oxy and Cal Lu on the road then they should be primed for the playoffs. Next Saturday is going to be a good one.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 16, 2005, 02:06:07 pm
rfb, 
 We skinned  that tiger by the tail last year and have the hide hanging on the catdome wall...  good luck.
Go cats,

50 in 05 YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 16, 2005, 10:23:02 pm
Looks like another interesting day in the SCIAC.  Looks like Whittier is right on the brink of becoming a team to watch out for.  I guess the coaches there have the program on the rise.  Did Redlands play bad (possibly looking forward to OXY) or did Whittier play a good game?  If anyone was at the La Verne/CLU game, was the game a lot closer than the score?  35-7 sounds like a beat down, but the article sounds like it was a very close game until the end.  Looking forward to next week already.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sciacfan17 on October 16, 2005, 11:19:32 pm
ULV/Cal Lu was 7-7 at the half, Cal lu scored with 40 seconds before the half to tie it.  It was a close game for 3 qtrs, but Cal Lu scored 35 unanswered points.

It was a good game but ULV as a team struggled all around.  Kicker missed two field goals, three dropped passes for touchdowns by one receiver, and big plays for touchdowns allowed by the defense.  Cal Lu played poorly in the 1st half but responded in the second half. 

Based on what I saw Cal Lu should take it to Redlands but they're going to have to play a complete game not just a half. 

A Whittier upset of Redlands would have been pretty neat to see, wonder what happened.  The Dogs should be excited cause they actually have a chance but better improve their play to beat Occidental.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 16, 2005, 11:28:35 pm
Tom-

sciacfan posted while I was writing this, I'll post it anyway for whatever value it adds...

The release from LaVerne captured it fairly well.  I would add that the Kingsmen started slowly.  The offense was kind of stop and start for the first 20 minutes or so - two missed field goals after lackluster drives.  The defense really stepped it up with about 7 minutes left in the second quarter and LaVerne had very little success moving the ball after that. The CLU offense seemed to build off the momentum established by the defense. The Leopards did have a couple of key dropped passes - one in the end zone where the kid was pretty open and just flat dropped it. 

Second half was all CLU.  LaVerne received the opening kickoff but the Kingsmen intercepted a few plays into that drive and were in the end zone 4-5 plays later.  The last CLU touchdown really came as a result of needing to keep the clock running - they had 3rd and short on the four and ran it up the middle, scoring almost by default.  The biggest problem for the Kingsmen in the second half was penalties - if they can clean those up and play solidly like they did over the last 40 minutes they have a good chance to finish the season in strong fashion.

I am also impressed by Whittier's strong showings against Redlands and Oxy, and would love to hear from those who have seen the Poets play this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stoonk on October 16, 2005, 11:49:07 pm
The west coast killershark saw CLU Kingsman Austin Jones slam a LaVerne Leopard bigtime .Way to go Jones .Nobody can say you didn,t see what was in front of you!!! Austin be da man!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 17, 2005, 10:39:01 am
S.C.I.A.C fans

What a great saturday across all divisions and leagues. Man, there were upsets and heart stopping moments that made this past saturday one to remember. Anywho, i'm glad to hear that Whitter played their behinds off and tried to do their best against Redlands. Sounds like RFB and his boys thought that Whitter was a Cupcake for them ???. Could have been awesome of the poets did beat them though.

Hey Brady- you were right Cal Lu did a far better job then U.L.V. Seems like the Leo's probabily just gave up. Who knows. I just thought they could have turned heads like Whitter did for the past weeks. What do you think about Cal Lu being in 2nd?

Anyways it's a new week. EVery thing is in the past and in the books. It's time for a real good week to prepare. Looks like the Tigers have been prepairing well and continue to do so. In fact, the game at the Rock this Saturday should be a good one and should be won by the team that is better prepaired and better coached. We will see about this. BUt, as many have already mentioned, Oxy takes their games seriously one game at a time. THis one will be a promising game.

Go Tigers...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 17, 2005, 02:10:21 pm
Blah blah blah... A WIN IS A WIN ? WOW now thats a change RFB.... you about counted OXY out of a sciac championship when we had a close game with whitter .... guess you guys got some KARMA of your own to worry about. I also loved your comment about how Linfield's program has something special going on and is pretty impressive... that was cute.... but too bad you'll never get to find out how good they really are first hand... All this southern california rain isn't gonna stop OXY's parade on Redlands this saturday !
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 17, 2005, 02:32:52 pm
Wow, Liger - you really told him a thing or two.  Although, if anything, RFB and the Redlands fans should feel just as confident.  After all, Whittier gave both teams a tough game.  That sounds like Redlands and Oxy might just be evenly matched.  Obviously nobody should ever look past an opponent, but I think Redlands had a much better reason to "look past" Whittier than Oxy did earlier in the season, all the more reason I think we can assume that Redlands and Oxy are evenly matched.

If I sound a little like a Redlands fan, well, that's because for this week I am.  It's true, right up until Sunday morning all I can say is...

Go Bulldogs!
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Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on October 17, 2005, 02:38:30 pm
New Top 25 poll....

UW-Whitewater jumps Oxy in the polls.  If all hold out in the region (think that Oxy beats Redlands)....it is still looking like Oxy could be the #4 seed and a road dog come playoffs.

Getting close to round the bend for the home strech.....
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 17, 2005, 02:51:59 pm
WC11-

All the more reason Oxy needs to win on Saturday - at this point they are far from a lock at 8-1...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AnotherJohnnie on October 17, 2005, 04:19:31 pm
New Top 25 poll....

UW-Whitewater jumps Oxy in the polls.  If all hold out in the region (think that Oxy beats Redlands)....it is still looking like Oxy could be the #4 seed and a road dog come playoffs.

Getting close to round the bend for the home strech.....

The polls won't dictate seeding.  Also, Oxy could get the 2 seed and be at Linfield in the first round if the number of flights can be decreased by doing so.  Kind of a lousy deal for Oxy, but quite possible.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on October 17, 2005, 04:53:35 pm
The polls won't dictate seeding.  Also, Oxy could get the 2 seed and be at Linfield in the first round if the number of flights can be decreased by doing so.  Kind of a lousy deal for Oxy, but quite possible.

AJ,  Scandihoovian and I both know this.  However, perception can be reality when it comes to the seeding.  The perception right now is that Oxy is the 4th best team in the West Right now.  If things hold out, there could be a better than strong chance that Oxy could be seeing a 4th seed.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 17, 2005, 07:41:39 pm
Liger,

I never said a word about Oxy's win over Whittier. My criticism has been about Oxy's lack of scheduling quality opponents in non-conference play. Whittier has improved and they almost pulled one out against Redlands. This weekend is a big game, it should be fun.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 17, 2005, 09:53:40 pm
Brown-  Thanks for the props but I really had no idea what would happen with that ULV/Cal Lu game.  I was actually pretty shocked when I saw the score due to the fact that La Verne seemed to play some good games earlier.  I was shocked, but very happy.  Looks like the game at OXY should be a good one.  Lets just hope whoever wins, the posters can come on here with a little respect for the others on the board ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on October 17, 2005, 10:09:27 pm
I really don't want to bash the Leos but it appeared to me that the LaVerne bunch were tiring by the middle of the 3rd quarter, they did not seem to be playing with the same intensity that they had in the first half.  Cal Lu blew 2 or 3 chances to score early and let them hang around, they need to improve on that part but the D stepped up very well and there were a couple young kids, (freshman) who showed they can play ball with the seniors, that was the best part of the win was seeing these youg kids realize they belong on the field.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 18, 2005, 12:36:01 pm
I agree, twoducks, it was great to see some of the young kids start to step it up.  I especially enjoyed the great diving interception that freshman d-lineman (Calderon?) made in the second half.

I have heard that one of the options in the SCIAC tie-breaker involves sending the team that has not been to the post-season in the longest amount of time.  The first option is head to head competition - but a three way tie (where team a beats team b who beats team c who beats team a) renders this option useless.  Anybody else know more?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 18, 2005, 01:11:23 pm
Brady- I think Cal Lu will end up in 2nd place in the league.
I must agree with you about this weekends game though. I will definately give anyone who won the game respect. All I would point out is that the team that was better prepaired, better coached and ready for the big did everything that they needed to win the game. I've seen the tigers do this. Hopefully, for those that don't agree with Oxy wininng will change their views and understand that this is a great team that is looking to make further changes around the league and hopefully even further along the playoffs. But, let's take this one game at a time. And all i am worry about is this saturday at the Rock. Come join us at the Rock and witness the tigers prove what they are setting out to do on that awesome field turf.


Go tigers
 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on October 19, 2005, 12:04:02 am
One last thing that I noticed about the LaVerne/Cal Lu game was that the Leos #1 back, atleast I think he was aganist Redlands when they played was absent except for a few plays or series.  I think it was the Anello kid,  but may have been dinged up.  He ran well the few times I saw him but all and all he wasn't much of a factor. LaVerne was tuff the first few series but after that they kinda seem to stall, Cal Lu fumbeled a couple times and missed 2 field goals early, they need to elimante that and the penalties to get it done the whole game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 19, 2005, 10:41:57 am
Scandi-- Quick question.... DO you really believe that Redlands has a chance to go over to Oxy and beat the Tigers? If so, why do you believe this????? Just want to know your opinion.

Well, i hope both Oxy and redlands are both gearing up for this saturday. I also hope the other schools as well. I am pretty sure who ever whitter is playing this weekend, they will end up with a victory. WHitter, will end up having a far better season then it has in the past. So good luck to them.

Anywho's, the Game to watch this weekend will obviously be at the Rock. Both teams should be about ready and prepaired. The bye week of Oxy probabily will benefit them the most. I am sure the Tigers spent that week doing extra work, working out even more and watching more video. Just anything that would help them dismantle the dawgs. THese past five years between both teams, the games have lead up to go match ups. Last, years game at Runner stadium will indeed even more inspire the tigers to do even more better.

Two ducks--- i agree with what you saw from the Leo's. I know that i was hoping that they would have made this game a bit close. But appearently, they just fell apart and couldn't get it done. Hopefully, they can rebound and finish on a good note.


Hey Brady-----Do you happen to remember the Mudd bowl of 02. Oxy-v.s. CalLu?
That game was really a sloppy and muddy game. I still remember that fun game when ever So. Cal has this type of Rain and weather. Does, the field at Cal Lu always end up like that during heavy rain? And, if so if it Rains this weekend, do you think Cal Lu would have another Mudd Bowl. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 19, 2005, 11:38:27 am
Browneagle-

I absolutely believe Redlands has a legitimate chance to beat Oxy this weekend, and here's why:
1) Redlands has similar results against common opponents (easy wins over Chapman and close games with Whittier).
2) Redlands has been tested twice by tough teams this year, and came very close to beating a Trinity team that many feel is Oxy's equal.  Oxy won't be the first tough team the Bulldogs play this year.  Oxy, on the other hand, has yet to be tested (Cal Lu could have provided a real test - but the Kingsmen committed too many mistakes early in the game).
3) Redlands always improves a great deal over the course of the season relative to other teams.  My guess is they're hitting peak form right about now.  They're also a program accustomed to success - they won't be shocked if they're winning in the second half.
4) The beauty of college athletics, especially in D3, is that nothing is a lock.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 19, 2005, 12:27:59 pm
Scandihoovian,

That was an outstanding post. You know the SCIAC very well. I hope Redlands can get it done, either way it should be a fun game to watch for both Redlands and Oxy fans.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 19, 2005, 01:44:38 pm
Scandi---I agree with just a few points that you mentioned. But, overall i disagree.

1) Just because they did have similar results to chapman or whitter doesn't even mean that they should win against Oxy. You need to remember that Redlands had to go into overtime to pull their win. Which lets you know that they weren't getting a lot done for 4 quarters. I seriously would have liked to have seen the poets turn heads by winning in the O.T.
2)I am glad Redlands has been tested by good teams. Which, i obviously did wish oxy had an opponent like Trinity or team yadada......It could have been prepaired them well. Can oxy count in doing well against College of the canyons???..
3)I understand that Redlands tries to improve the second half, but it has not been drastic changes. They do win games , but not by that much. Especially since they are against other SCIAC teams. SO lets be realistic here.
4)Redlands hits there peak, but, not much of a big change overall. THey will give teams challenges, but it comes down to who did much better.
5)Finally, I agree. Anything can happen on any given saturday. Especially in Football in general. It should be a good game. THe team that is better prepaired should win. Not sending games into overtime.


So RFB and to others, hope that you guys can join us at the Rock and wittness a good game 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on October 19, 2005, 01:45:02 pm
RFB, I thought that maybe I would throw in my perspective on the game as it has a big effect on the SCIAC as a whole.  I am a little concerned at QB with Redlands as they seem to bounce back and forth, maybe this is by design, I am not sure but in the stats I thought there was some sharing of the games.  Redlands will have a tough time running on Oxy, I know you have a good kid who has come on the last 2 games but I would be shocked to see that kind of success aganist Bryant and the bunch.  I really feel that the key to getting it done is thru the air, Coleman, Selway and the rest MUST step up big and the O line has to give them time to throw the ball.  I was not impressed with the DB's from Oxy and I think you guys can make a game of it through them.  The other trick is shutting down Collins, the kid plays a good game and can hurt you several ways, get to him, contain him and you got a shot.  The other trump card for you guys is Maynard, he's a good coach and I gotta believe he is gonna bring his best game plan to the table.  From the outside I gotta give the nod to Oxy, but my heart will be pulling for the Dawgs, I gotta agree with Scando, the tuff schedule Redlands plays has to help, and it appears thats why they play it to prepare for the 1 or 2 tuff games in league that show up every year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 19, 2005, 04:49:50 pm
BrownEagele69 - I find your posts to be too long and extremely boring...I suggest you sharpen your points and cut the rambling....

TwoDucks - good post...you head isnt up your own ass like the rest of the jerk-offs on this site...BUT Redlands can't stop Collins or contain him like you said....last year he had a field day running and passing all over the dawgs

RFB - Dawgs are gonna get neutered this weekend buddy
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 19, 2005, 04:53:39 pm
btw ....here is my 2 cents:

OXY 35
Redlands 13
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 19, 2005, 05:21:16 pm
BrownEagle-

I appreciate your friendly and respectful manner on this board, but I think you're splitting hairs with some of my arguments.  You asked if I believed Redlands has a chance, and I certainly do.  If I was asked to pick the game straight up I'd give an edge to Oxy, especially at home.  However, would I be surprised or call it an upset if Redlands won?  Not by a longshot.

Liger-

The trajectory of your recent posts suggests you are about to flame out.  Fear not, I'll never hold it against Oxy, too many of the Oxy posters (ChiTown, OxyFan, etc.) here are friendly & intelligent people who have a lot of passion for D3 athletics.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2005, 05:52:16 pm
TwoDucks - good post...you head isnt up your own ass like the rest of the jerk-offs on this site

Hmm... just a heads-up, if you had called a specific individual poster by that name I would have had to warn you. As it is, just a heads-up.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 19, 2005, 08:13:56 pm
Scandi-----Your opinions are yours. No worries man. I get what you mean. I agree that i didn't even ask you at first who should win the game straight up. SO that was my mistake.


 Liger----I could care less if these post or even my post don't fit your specific needs. WHo asked for your opinion. Give people the chance to voice out their opinion. We already heard your rambling nonsense and mostly opinions that a lot of people don't agree on. You don't see me pointing that out to you. Regardless of what they say(the post) Its a posting sight....deal with it.  Try to understand that.


It all ends up with who wins the game itself on the field not on the boards.

So........ Go Tigers
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 19, 2005, 10:43:50 pm
Brown-  I sure do remember that Mud Bowl game back in '02.  When was the last time you saw under 10 points total scored in a SCIAC game :o?  I do not think there will be any more rain this weekend, but who knows.  If there was rain though (and the News stations put the "Stormtracker on every channel) the field at Cal LU would probably be slop before the end of the first half.  I dont know why that is, but it will happen any time there is rain.

Sounds like there are a few conflicting opinions about this weekends BIG game in Eagle Rock.  I have no idea, so I wont give Liger anything to come on here and rant and rave about, and then tell me how stupid I am, and, well you all know how the rest plays out.

Good luck to all this weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on October 20, 2005, 01:12:51 am
Liger,

Do you wanna put a little wager on the game????  Redlands will be the more physcial team, and they will also be the better coached team. 

For anybody who knows the game of football those two areas are very important......

Don't sing it...bring it!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 20, 2005, 11:30:12 am
Scandi,
Thanks for recognizing my passion and excitement for D3.  I try to keep my grammatical errors, trash talking, and ramblings to a minimum. 

Oxy did teach me how to write in complete sentences.  Some classes even allowed me to learn the valuable skill of debating issues without getting too worked up.

That being said, I think Oxy wins a close game on Saturday.  Not too many people have been able stop Collins and Jones/Fukushima through the air the past two seasons.  I think that the one-two punch of Gonzales and Anderson has proven relatively effective.  If Bryant and Ostland have quality games, the Tigers should do well.

I wish I was in L.A. this Saturday.  Instead, I will be mourning a Cardinals loss here in STL. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CRZK on October 20, 2005, 11:58:13 am
Have been reading the board for a couple of years, first post.

Looking forward to this weekends game between Redlands and Oxy.  As an oxy fan (and parent of oxy football player) my loyalty is with Oxy.

FYI, looking at Don Hansen's prediction he has Oxy 37 Redlands 17.  I would love to see that.  I think Oxy can do that but suspect score will be closer.  Maybe 27-21 Oxy.

What do you all think of Hansen?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 20, 2005, 12:45:30 pm
Twoducks,

You made some good points about the game and what Redlands needs to do. Redlands running game has been great the last two weeks. That will only help the offensive line in their confidence and will also make Oxy have to prepare that much more for a dual threat offense.

Redlands had been using two quarterbacks but Nick Brown was hurt two weeks ago and I am not sure of what his status is. Chris Saras has been in charge the last two weeks and has done well. His is a transfer from UC Davis and is more of a pocket passer. He can throw the deep ball very well, so Oxy better be ready. If there was ever a game for Redlands receivers to step up then here it is.

Keys to the game for Redlands:

1. No Turnovers.
2. Good ball control offense, keeping Oxy/Collins of the field.
3. Field position, make Oxy work to get their points.
4. Special teams: one team will make a mistake here, Redlands must win here.

My prediction:

Redlands 31
Oxy          28 

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 20, 2005, 01:13:33 pm
The weekend is almost here and the Big game at the Rock has been getting some hype. Hopefully, the game turns out to be great and displays what we are all hoping for. My final prediction for Saturday is like this: Oxy. 34- Redlands-14. The Defense will have a great game. Anyways that just my opinion. Hope that alot of people can attend the game.

Have a great weekend and good luck to all.

Go tigers
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 20, 2005, 01:49:28 pm
CRZK,

Many people on these boards read Hansen, but you won't find many fans of his.

This is the only place to find out about D3.  Hansen only has a following because he's been around sooooo long.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on October 20, 2005, 02:34:17 pm
  Huge game for the SCIAC.  Just think OXY fair weathered fans, if the Tigers had played a good, top ranked team like the Bulldogs did and kept it close or even won they might be able to get a pool B birth.  It does not matter now because there is no possible way the SCIAC will because Redlands is the only one who steps up.  Otherwise, I think it is awesome that their is some life to this board.  FInally, there is  some passion for a team besides the Bulldogs.

Bulldogs 28, Team Collins 24
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on October 20, 2005, 03:55:11 pm
Bulldogs 35
Kittens 28

Because dogs don't like cats!!!!  (all bulldog alumni will know what that means)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on October 20, 2005, 04:23:32 pm
How we gonna give it to da kittens?  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: I.E. Tiger on October 20, 2005, 09:21:19 pm
Been reading the board for a while now and I just wanted to put in my two cents about this weeks big game before all the redland's fans call be a bandwangoner after Oxy beats u of r this weekend. I predict the game to be much like last years minus the 4 turnovers on 4 downs thing that happened in the second half of last years game. So in saying that

Tigers 42
Puppies 28

Go TIGERS!!!!
 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on October 20, 2005, 10:10:08 pm
I.E. Tiger,

A puppy can beat a kitten any day of the week, and twice on Sundays......

Lame response, but I did have to talk some type of trash.  All the Oxy fans are knowledgable, and don't talk too much trash, so its hard to always be negative.  It will be a good one....hopefully as good as my senior year when we beat them in double overtime!!!!!

Go bulldogs!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 21, 2005, 12:27:29 am
Got to love the "owner." My personal favorite is "Saturday, we going to make us a Pomoney sandwhich".
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 21, 2005, 01:41:36 pm
Here are my thoughts as an impartial observer (with a big stake in a Redlands victory ;D):

It will be close - if Oxy wins by more than a TD it will only be on an insurance TD late in the game.  If Redlands wins it will be on a late score to pull ahead or because they were up by more than a TD and held on after an Oxy comeback. 

Make no mistake - this is a playoff game for both teams.  Given the strength of other conferences in the West region I don't think the SCIAC's going to get two teams into the postseason.  Redlands loses and their posteason hopes are done with three losses.  Oxy loses and it's almost a lock that either Redlands or Cal Lu will be the conference rep in the playoffs (at least according to my understanding of the SCIAC tie-breaker).

I hope all of you who make it to Eagle Rock have a great time tomorrow night and see a great game.  It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on October 21, 2005, 05:37:34 pm
Any nice places to eat around Eagle Rock??? Help me out Oxy fans!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lights On on October 21, 2005, 05:56:11 pm
Casa Bianca, great pizza place. Get there early, should be a long wait on a saturday evening. Coffee Table is legit too, both on Colorado off of Eagle Rock.

As for the game, Oxy wins. I feel Oxy has too many athletes and too much speed for Redlands. And not even sure if it is going to be close. I think Oxy's defense steps up huge and the "kittens" coaching staff out-performs those Bulldogs and Maynard. Team Collins plays a full game start to finish and we'll all have to hear about it come sunday morning from Liger Himself. Brilliant.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 21, 2005, 06:08:46 pm
The key factor in the Redlands/OXY game will be SPEED.....OXY is extremely fast on both sides of the ball and Redlands will have trouble guarding the OXY receivers (BRAD SMITH VS RIC FUKUSHIMA = TOUCHDOWN ALL DAY) also the OXY defense is very opportunisitc and I predict them flying to the ball and creating turnovers just like last year....also Karl Mikolin or whatever seems to be pretty solid coming off a 220 yd perfromance vs la verne but OXY covers those small quick backs very well and I don't see him getting to the outside vs OXY's speedy duo of outside backers who can probably beat anyone on the redlands roster in a 40.... and finally speed will kill the redlands d when collins scrambles....I see redlands bringing good pressure but when collins scrambles it is like watching a cheetah on an antelope...see ya later....

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on October 21, 2005, 06:51:48 pm
Thanks Lights On!

Lion Lover...good points you made about speed...I am not sure if Redlands will even show up now...hopefully they will, but if they don't I don't blame them.

By the way...we have some kids who know how to run aswell......

I can't wait for this game.....if we show up of course....
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 21, 2005, 08:02:48 pm
Liger,

Oxy might well win this game, but Redlands has a lot more under the hood then you think. My opinion is that Redlands wins in a close battle. One thing I do know though, your posts are getting worse and more rediculous as the days go by.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 21, 2005, 09:25:49 pm
Redlands should definitley show up.... but I think OXY wins....because of team speed...that was all I was saying
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 22, 2005, 05:18:18 pm
RedlandsFan,
I recommend Leo's taco truck on the corner of Eagle Rock and York for a late night snack.

Casa Bianca is good, but it may be too crowded for you to eat and run to the game.  Senor Fish, on the corner of Eagle Rock and Westdale is good stuff and across the street from the field/campus.  Enjoy.

I'll be listening on oxybroadcast.com
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on October 22, 2005, 05:47:08 pm
An Occidental win gives the West region four of the top five ranked teams in the nation and five of the top eight.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on October 22, 2005, 06:04:07 pm
A couple of big losses in the top 5 today may allow Oxy to jump up a few spots, especially if they spank Redlands tonight.  Alright Oxy fans, here is your boys chance to show us if they are as good as you all think they are.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 22, 2005, 07:10:01 pm
UPSETS !!!! so where does OXY stand if they beat Redlands? any guesses?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 22, 2005, 07:12:09 pm
Final Score from Thousand Oaks:

CLU 25
CMS 10
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 22, 2005, 08:23:48 pm
I have one thing to say about the Cal Lu game....  ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

If they play like that against Redlands, they are going to get a severe beat down.  How about take a little time out of practice to explain the whole "Personal Foul" section in the rule book.  Pretty bad when you have 14 flags thrown on you for 130 yards.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 22, 2005, 08:33:38 pm
UPSETS !!!! so where does OXY stand if they beat Redlands? any guesses?

The striped cats will move up two spots maybe???? If they make the dogs tuck their tail between their legs tonight?  sould be a good one??
 
 Go Wildcats,
50 in 05
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 23, 2005, 01:06:48 am
Oxy 31
Redlands 24
Final.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 23, 2005, 01:07:58 am
Wow, what a great ending to the game at OXY.  I loved the OXY broadcasters and the fact that they can say "it's good to be at home and have the clock in your favor."  Sounded like all everyone was expecting.  Looks like OXY has wrapped it up, unless something reeeeeealllllllllllly strange happens.  Great end to a great day in the SCIAC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 23, 2005, 01:12:16 am
One side note, Fukushima gets hurt and does not return.  Don't know his status.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on October 23, 2005, 01:27:34 am
Wow what a great ballgame.  i comend both teams on a well played game.  One thing that stinks about the whole situation after the game is that with three losses the Bulldogs will, more than likely, not get a pool B birth eventhough two losses have come to two top ten teams by ten combined.  Otherwise the Bulldogs will rise again.  Congrats to Oxy.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 23, 2005, 02:14:31 am
It was a great effort by Redlands...they came to play. In response to the clock situation, I wasn't too sure what was happening with that. I do know that it hurt OXY on a 4th and long when they were going to punt and couldn't run down the clock because of it....I guess it was felt by both teams. Penalties were a key factor as OXY was called for PI a lot. I think they were close calls and I think OXY definitly was hurt by a couple that were questionable....but other than that no huge surprises. I think OXY's receivers won their battles and that redlands had huge sucess running the ball.... it was a well executed game and was a ton of fun to watch.... that was play-off caliber stuff.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on October 23, 2005, 03:10:39 am
Having seen the Occidental/Redlands game…
Maybe it’s the missing baker’s dozen lights trying to shine on the new OXY field that provided the charm but I suspect it’s the experience that Occidental carries with them this year that let them walk away with a win in the Redlands game.
OXYCollins did about 25 of 40 for 300 yards but couldn’t quite get his high-steppin’, quick feet loose for any serious yardage to put Redlands away.
OXY allowed the Bulldogs to earn 4 shots 26 yards from the end zone in the last 30 seconds; one of which actually was a touch that should have been caught.
Both teams scored when the opponents db fell down.
Redlands did not go for a 4th and 4 inches on about the OXY 26 when the score was tied in the 3rd. They needed the momentum.
Redlands fumbled the ball deep in their territory and OXY scored.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lights On on October 23, 2005, 03:43:47 am
Well I wish I would have bet RFB & Redlands fan some $ on the game....I saw the post too late to accept...I will always take the dawgs for some easy chump change.....as for next week, Pomona looks like the little retard that couldn't and won't so here it is OXY 49 Pomona 3
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: I.E. Tiger on October 23, 2005, 04:08:19 am
From Eagle Rock:
A great game tonight. Collins was amazing ....He is the real deal... The Oxy receivers dropped a lot of passes tonight and Fukashima getting hurt didn't not help Oxy. Caleb Small stepped up as well as Ryan Gonzales.....  Redlands came to play but in the end they did not have what it takes.... I am sick of hearing how good Redlands coaching staff is.... Maynard and company have not stopped Oxy the last two years.... In my opinion Oxy has the best coaching staff in the SCIAC...hands down... Good luck to all and would liger lover just be quiet....and browneagle64 post something worth lisenting too....
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lights On on October 23, 2005, 04:33:54 am
Dear Posters:

Unfortunately, I have learned tonight that I have mutual friends, one in the same with the Liger Lover. Previously, I seemed to have failed to log off of the post board after using my login name to comment on the board from a friend's computer. The Liger Lover, using his useless intelligence and stupidity, posted immediately on the same computer without looking to see which name he was logged in as. Thus, the previous lights on post was not from myself, but rather from that "guy" who continues to disrupt this board. Excuse the coincidence and inconvenience, Liger Lover is not a friend...

As for the game, I was very impressed with Redlands. They showed up to play and kept the intensity/momentum in their favor for the most part of the game. Collins was the difference, despite him not playing his best and the Oxy defense did enough to get the win. Great Game, very fun to watch. Looking forward to the rest of the season. This is Lights On.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 23, 2005, 04:41:13 am
Great game tonight by both teams. Redlands made too many mistakes tonight and it cost them. Oxy and Redlands are even par in just about every category, the difference maker is Collins. Take him away and Oxy is a very different football program. They got the win tonight though and I wish Oxy and their fans good luck the rest of the way.

RFB

Oh yeah, the field turf looks outstanding, now they just need to fix the lights. It was tough to play under them and it was tough watching them tonight as a fan.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 23, 2005, 04:58:29 am
Mike Maynard vs. Dale Widolff  (1988-2005)

Redlands 11
Oxy          7

Just a little information for Liger and his crazy rant about Coach Maynard and the Redlands coaching staff.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 23, 2005, 07:10:53 am
WOW WOW WOW.... hey RFB I didn't rant about the coaching staff.....coach maynard or whatever was not the reason the dawgs lost... it isn't his fault that your dawgs can't stop collins.....NOBODY CAN!  but seriously I do give redlands a little repecet because they were too dumb to know they didn't have a chance....Thanks for the good posts about our stadium...we are slowly but surley doing the little things to improve our program.

As for LIGHTS OFF.... you are a god damn joke....you come on the site once a year and pretend to be an oxy fan...well I have had about enough of you...pick a side you spineless midget.....and as for our relationship off the posting site....you are simply a small man with a hot sister.....the best thing you ever did was to give your sis a free pass to the OXY track....that is all...

I DO give redlands respect...I HAVENT gone soft.....lights off IS a joke....I guess thats about it....
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 23, 2005, 10:41:51 am
WOW WOW WOW.... hey RFB I didn't rant about the coaching staff.....coach maynard or whatever was not the reason the dawgs lost... it isn't his fault that your dawgs can't stop collins.....NOBODY CAN!  

That's not ture.. The linfield wildcats stopped him last year and will do the same this year.. You will see.. Just wait until the playoffs.. 

Go Cats,  50 in 05 ,  And still the only undefeated National Champion in D3..
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on October 23, 2005, 12:28:07 pm
Yep. He wrote NOBODY CAN. That's not fair to do to Andy.
Not fair to Otis Redding or Aretha Franklin either.(RESPECT) Or the hot sister.
It's not fair to me to not put TigerLover because that's what my brain keeps trying to read.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on October 23, 2005, 12:53:16 pm
The game was a great one to see....I have seen Andy Collins play twice now, and the kid is the real deal, but it was the receiver #4 who really suprised me.  The kid caught everything and ran excellent routes.

Its a shame Redlands fumbled the ball with 3 minutes left.  It was unfortunate that the bulldogs turned the ball over at teh end, because they had played almost a mistake free game! 

Oxy is a good football team, and will most likly move up....but come playoff time I am concerned about them stopping the run, especially if they play a Linfield or St. Johns.

Good luck Oxy....lets bounce back Bulldogs!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on October 23, 2005, 02:35:59 pm
One more note,

I was very impressed with the tackling in last nights game on both teams.  Both Redlands and OXY had some backs and receivers who were shifty and athletic....the players really showed me something in that regard.

What can you expect from two well coached teams!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 23, 2005, 05:06:38 pm
#4 is extremely underrated....his stats may not show it but he is one of the best receivers in the country.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 23, 2005, 09:43:05 pm
Does anyone have word on the severity/nature of #4's (Fukushima) injury?  He made a ton of plays last night, but our chances diminish with him out of the lineup.  If he is out for an extended period of time, perhaps Winchell or R. Ciasulli can step into the void.

If I remember correctly, he got hurt last season during the post-season.   

Go Tigers.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 24, 2005, 10:29:50 am
I hope everyone had a good weekend and enjoyed the games around the league. To everyone tthat joined oxy at the rock, i hope you enjoyed the game and got what you expected. As for myself, i couldn't have asked more from two well prepaired teams. So congrats to the tigers.

As of this week, i know the tigers must get ready to face Pomona and worry about them only. Especially, since this is the oldest rivarly west of the mississippi. I am sure oxy wants to keep the drum.

 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 24, 2005, 10:35:34 am
Well I'm glad I had an accurate sense of how the Oxy-Redlands game would turn out  - although a Redlands win would have sure made things more interesting in the conference race (has anyone issued a release on the game yet?  I'd love to read more about it)

On the other hand, I was apparently mistaken when I posted before the season that the Kingsmen were no more prone to penalties (especially personal fouls) than other teams in the conference:
I have one thing to say about the Cal Lu game....  ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

If they play like that against Redlands, they are going to get a severe beat down.  How about take a little time out of practice to explain the whole "Personal Foul" section in the rule book.  Pretty bad when you have 14 flags thrown on you for 130 yards.
Tom's right.  I cannot recall a CLU team in recent years that had this type of penalty problems.  CLU fans can only hope that the team that shows up on Saturday to play Redlands plays like the team that had only seven penalties for 40 yards combined in two games against Menlo and PLU, and not the team that has incurred 10 or more penalties in each of its other four games.

Sorry to hear that Fukushima got hurt, and I hope he's able to rejoin the team in time for the post season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 24, 2005, 01:09:44 pm
I.E Tiger----No worries if you don't want to hear something that is not worth lisenting too....... I could careless  if my post do not fit to what you want to read. Worry about supporting Oxy. Thats all that matters as of now 


Brady and Scandi----What do you guys expect from the CAl LU-Redlands game? I know for sure that CAl Lu players from the past and present expect that this is really a big game for both schools. What do you two think are the keys for CAl Lu or Redlands to come out with a victory on saturday. I really think this game will be a good game as well.

Word to the wise, I am sure that after Beating Redlands most people think that Oxy can just cruise ahead their next games. As one poster had mentioned a long time ago, the tigers take one game at a time seriously and never overlook any opponent. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: EagleRockKid on October 24, 2005, 04:08:07 pm
Props to Redlands who clearly came to the "Rock" last Saturday to play football. They gave the Tigers a great game. No one has yet mentioned a key to their almost success and that was their O-line. Oxy has been used to sacking quarterbacks all year, but I don't recall a single time that happened in this game. Unfortunately for Redlands, the Oxy D did force a crucial fumble by the Q.B. late in the game. 

Oxy just had too many weapons, even after Fukushima went down. So, Oxy will prevail at least for another year as the dominant SCIAC football team.  It would be nice to get another playoff game in Southern Cali.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 24, 2005, 04:14:00 pm
Kid,
Beware of teams with good O-Lines.  That spells success in 2006 if they come back.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 24, 2005, 04:39:58 pm
Quote
Word to the wise, I am sure that after Beating Redlands most people think that Oxy can just cruise ahead their next games. As one poster had mentioned a long time ago, the tigers take one game at a time seriously and never overlook any opponent.
Browneye69- you say the same damn thing every every week.... I doubt that OXY will overlook an opponent.....they definitly don't need you to keep harping on this point....You played under Widolff and I think you should know he doesn't let the team get too full of themsleves.... how bout you stop being a self-appointed SCIAC analyst and start posting about **** that matters....throw in an OXY prediction score or start up an argument with RFB... do something, anything...Im dying here...

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/jcharity70/dalewidolff.jpg)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 24, 2005, 04:48:05 pm
Liger,

You're an idiot, keep up your rants. You're quickly becoming the AB of the SCIAC board.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on October 24, 2005, 05:33:01 pm
RFB,

Looks like Redlands will not get to dance this year but looks like they'll have a solid squad next season. 

Funny that both the #2 and #3 teams in the country lose and Oxy just stays at #7.  I think that Oxy is pretty dang good but it looks like many of the voters still see Oxy as paper tigers.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2005, 06:07:42 pm
I wouldn't say paper tigers but it seems clear they've hit their ceiling.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 24, 2005, 06:17:23 pm
WC11,

Oxy is good, I felt Redlands was even with them talent wise with the exception being Collins. Redlands has a very good quarterback in Chris Saras but Collins is something special. He has a very good arm, is quick on his feet, and has great poise. I know you have seen him play before but it was the first time I had seen him live. Oxy will go as far as Collins takes them, but even if they play lights out they still don't have enough to beat Linfield. Redlands has a good group of kids together, they should be strong next year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 24, 2005, 07:42:13 pm
Liger----Relax man, its just a posting site. I never talk crap on the boards. Thats useless. I would rather do that on the field or on the streets. So if you expect me to give other people crap on this site, do that stuff yourself man. I am pretty sure RFB and Redlands fans understand the lost. No need to rub that stuff in. Its call sportsmenship. THats something that you learn on the field as well. As i mentioned just worry about yourself and your post. I think some people just don't want to listen to your nonsense anymore.


I am sure Ric will bounce back from his injury. I must agree with Eagle Rock kid though on one point. You guys must seriously give a big congrats to the O-Line. Those kids did a heck of a job in the trenches against the dawgs front. I am sure they are having a blast watching films on the rest of the teams and farting nasty gases out of their ass, cracking jokes about one another and other people and enjoying the season.

 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 24, 2005, 08:48:02 pm
Brown Eagle,

I hope you don't talk too much trash on the streets   :-\  Wouldn't want people to come after you as a result of your gas in the team meetings.

PC,
Would that ceiling you are talking about be the "too damn bad we play in the SCIAC ceiling" ???  I think this just drives home the point that the in order for Oxy, or any other SCIAC team to get noticed, our league needs to step it up a notch.  Or two.

 

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 24, 2005, 08:51:35 pm
One more thing, wasn't Eagle Rock Kid complimenting Redlands on THEIR O-Line keeping ours in check for most the game?  If so, I don't know if we'll be making any kind of noises, ass, or not.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 24, 2005, 10:54:43 pm
Brown Eagle-

My hope is that the Cal Lu-Redlands Game will be a good one.  I think the teams are fairly evenly matched, and each team has plenty of reasons to want to make a statement with this game.  For Redlands, even though they're coming off of a tough road loss at Oxy, it's a chance to avenge last year's loss and show that they're clearly the #2 team in the conference.  For Cal Lu it's a chance to take a big step toward their best season in recent memory and hold on to whatever hopes remain that the SCIAC might get two playoff slots.

I'd love to hear what RFB, redlandsfan, and the rest have to say.  As I said, I hope the game will be every bit the barn burner the Oxy-Redlands game was.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on October 24, 2005, 11:49:16 pm
If Cal Lu wants to compete with Redlands they better clean things up in a hurry, the penalties are a killer, Redlands will not beat themselves Cal Lu better bring there A game or its gonna be a long homecoming day.  I have not had a chance to look at the boxscores but it sounds as if I was wrong about Redlands not being able to run on Oxy, sounds like you did OK, I gotta figure that you guys ran away from Bryant?  How did Coleman do??  Any info would be appreciated, thanks.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 24, 2005, 11:51:32 pm
Scandihoovian,

I am hoping that Redlands can rebound this week, they showed a lot of heart against Oxy. Cal Lu is a tough team with good coaching, it will take a very good effort with minimal mistakes for Redlands to win. Plus, Cal Lu is a tough place to play. My junior year(1995) we lost a close game there. The good thing for Redlands is that they have their running game going now. That has helped them open up the pass game. It should be a fun game, hopefully I can make it up there to watch. If Cal Lu does win out and finishes 8-1, I would love for them to get in with a pool B bid. However, there are a lot of teams that are deserving and I just can't see the commitee giving the SCIAC two bids. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 24, 2005, 11:58:53 pm
Twoducks,

Charles Coleman had two catches for 76 yards, they threw the deep ball to him many times and he drew a few holding/pass interference penalties. He is Redlands deep threat and he definitely draws attention. Oxy put their best cover guy on him the whole game, he is solid. Redlands has been able to run the ball well in the last few weeks. It should be interesting this weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 25, 2005, 12:39:37 am
I know it's cold out here in So Cal but did I really just see RFB making a positive comment about Cal Lu and their coaching staff!!??  A new day has arrived.  In all seriousness though, I agree with the fact that Cal Lu need to clean up the problems with those pesky little yellow flags that seem to be falling out of the ref's pockets all to often.  They will be in for a lond homecoming if they cant keep the penalties to a minimum.  Looks like the Redlands ground game should be a big test for the Cal Lu rush D shich looks to be pretty tough.  Hope I can make it to the game on Sat.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2005, 03:27:43 am
Would that ceiling you are talking about be the "too damn bad we play in the SCIAC ceiling" ???  I think this just drives home the point that the in order for Oxy, or any other SCIAC team to get noticed, our league needs to step it up a notch.  Or two.

To get noticed? Do you not see where you are in the poll?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 25, 2005, 09:26:25 am
PC,

Of course I see where we are in the polls and I know that we are getting noticed.  I just would have liked to see them move up a notch, or two. 

I meant that in general, our league needs to step it up, as a whole to get noticed.  Then, when a few of the Top 10 teams lose, Oxy (or whoever is playing well that year) will be able to move up because our league will be more highly regarded on a national level. 

My mistake.

GO TIGERS.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CRZK on October 25, 2005, 10:59:11 am
Twoducks asked about Redlands being able to run against Oxy, perhaps running away from Bryant.

Reviewing the stats I believe answers that question.  Running yards are close as are attempts-Redlands 41 Oxy 38.  Big difference is Mikolan had 24 carries for only 77.  Gonzales for Oxy had 18 for 100.  Tackles for Oxy are pretty even, one with 9 several with 8.  Looks to me as if Redlands did ok but not great with running game.

Passing is even more interesting.  Attempts are almost the same.  38 for Redlands 40 for Oxy.  However Redlands had only 17 completions to 25 for Collins.  Of course Oxy had a lot of penalties for interefernce.  Yards passing 225 to 300.

Bottom line.  People have said it before and, unless the Redlands offense is weak (which I doubt!!), Oxy defense looks pretty solid, and if you run away from Bryant, you simply run into someone else who will stop you.

Of course Oxy needs to run the table now.  If they do what are thoughts on 1st round oppenent?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 25, 2005, 11:35:19 am
RFB-

I've long thought that the trip to Cal Lu had to be one of the least favorite trips for the Bulldogs.  The 2+ hour morning busride, no real visitors locker room (thankfully soon to change - but we may lose some "homecourt advantage" with it), then there's the fact that you can't see the air - which has to be disconcerting  ;) While Redlands has enjoyed a lot of success against Cal Lu since the Kingsmen joined the SCIAC, the games have been much closer up in Thousand Oaks.  Seems like the trip might have something to do with that.

I'm excited by the prospect that this is a rivalry that may be returning to more equal footing.  This Cal Lu team is one of the best we've seen in a while, and I know that despite their 3 losses Redlands is tough again this year after struggling with some key injuries last year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 25, 2005, 11:49:14 am
OxyFan-

I understood what you were trying to say about the ceiling - we as a conference do need to win more against tough out of conference opponents to build respect for the SCIAC.  I am sure that Redlands' two strong playoff showings ('02 & '03) combined with Oxy's run last year have already done a fair amount to get Oxy to #7.  Prior to 2002 our first place team could have been 6-0 (as Oxy is now) and they wouldn't even have been in the top 15.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: EagleRockKid on October 25, 2005, 05:07:41 pm
It's interesting that the AFCA coahes' poll doesn't see it the same as DIII football.  They rank Oxy #5. It's hard to justify teams with losses can be rated higher than undefeated teams. I guess that's subject to debate. In any case, does anyone know when any SCIAC football team has been rated as high as #5 in any legitimate poll?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2005, 09:13:35 pm
It's interesting that the AFCA coahes' poll doesn't see it the same as DIII football.  They rank Oxy #5. It's hard to justify teams with losses can be rated higher than undefeated teams. I guess that's subject to debate. In any case, does anyone know when any SCIAC football team has been rated as high as #5 in any legitimate poll?

Actually, it's very easy to justify. Occidental hasn't played anyone that's gotten a vote. Those other teams play tougher schedules.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 26, 2005, 12:07:34 pm
Ok  boys it time to show your support for D3 Football.

Vote for Brett Elliott  FROM D3  for the Heisman...

Http://www.voteforheisman.com/vote3.php


you can vote once per week for each e-mail address..

GO D3...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 26, 2005, 01:23:03 pm
Desertcat---I gave him my vote. But to be honest, i think he wont get as much support as the other guys on the list. Eventually, Reggie Bush or V. Young from texas will be one and two. Comparing those two with Elliot is like comparing Apples and pumpinks.


Looks like the tigers are getting ready to dominate Pitzer and stay with the "drum". I am sure Oxy's Wide reciever coprs. will do fine against pizters's weak back field. I think Pitzer only has one backfield player on defense that is pretty solid. The Defense however will need to dictate what the offense will do in this game.  Once the defense gets things going, that will motivate the offese to score on pitzer fast and accurately. The last time oxy visted pomona the drum was lost on the field. So oxy needs to take that in to account and stop the team with the cockiest alumni.

btw-heres my prediction for the score

Oxy-48 --P-P 17. The second team guys should be on the field by the beginning of the 4th quater   
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on October 26, 2005, 02:29:17 pm
Actually, it's very easy to justify. Occidental hasn't played anyone that's gotten a vote. Those other teams play tougher schedules.

So?  We've got a terrific comparison between teams dating back to last year's playoffs.  Occidental played Linfield to 56-27, even holding a lead in the 2nd quarter.  Rowan got drilled 52-0.  Should I be impressed that they beat a non-scholarship D-IAA school?  St. John's was EXTREMELY lucky to get past Concordia Moorhead on a last second touchdown this season.  In the playoffs last year, Occidental beat CM and didn't need any last second theatrics to do it.

The SCIAC, for whatever reason, doesn't have the respect it should.  Oxy beat two strong teams this season in Redlands and Cal Lutheran.  This brings me back to 2001 when Oxy went 8-1, with an opening season loss to Menlo (finished 8-2, I believe -- with a win over a SCHOLARSHIP D-IAA team), and still didn't make the playoffs.

The AFCA coaches poll holds a lot more weight than this D3Football.com poll.  With 16 wins in their past 17 games, Oxy is better than D3Football.com gives it credit for.  It certainly didn't deserve to fall after a win and a bye week, and deserved to move up after two teams ahead of them lost.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 26, 2005, 03:48:59 pm
Desertcat---I gave him my vote. But to be honest, i think he wont get as much support as the other guys on the list. Eventually, Reggie Bush or V. Young from texas will be one and two. Comparing those two with Elliot is like comparing Apples and pumpinks.



Browneagle64,,    As of 2:04 Est today  Brett Elliott just moved in front of Uof O  Qb Kellen Clemmens to # 11 in the voting,  thanks to all the support of D3..  Go D 3  we can make it happen..
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on October 26, 2005, 03:55:35 pm
xfactor,

I think Pat's point is that the other teams have proven themselves THIS YEAR.  And the score comparison, Linfield vs. Oxy and Linfield vs. Rowan, to help your cause is pretty much meaningless.  Both where whoopins.  Besides, comparing matchups like this doesn't necessarily mean anything.  You can go to the OAC and ask fans of Mount Union, Ohio Northern and John Carroll.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 26, 2005, 03:59:31 pm
Hey DesertCat...I voted for elliot btw, just cause I think it would be funny if he did actually win but you can't seriously look me in the eye and say he compares to some of those other QB's up for the heisman....anywho I am sure Pomona will throw all the tricks in their bag out on saturday vs. OXY...I expect them to grow out that mangy field of theirs to try and slow OXY down...I expect them to pull all 5 offensive linemen and do all their weird blocking schemes.....but the bottom line is that while these things may slow OXY down, it definitly won't stop them...I expect OXY to sustain nice long drives to eat up that clock all game and keep the ball out of pomona's hands....
FRESHMAN...learn your plays...you might get some PT this week !
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on October 26, 2005, 03:59:59 pm
xfactor,

I think Pat's point is that the other teams have proven themselves THIS YEAR.  And the score comparison, Linfield vs. Oxy and Linfield vs. Rowan, to help your cause is pretty much meaningless.  Both where whoopins.  Besides, comparing matchups like this doesn't necessarily mean anything.  You can go to the OAC and ask fans of Mount Union, Ohio Northern and John Carroll.

How is it meaningless?  Last season's records clearly were used as the basis of this year's first week poll.  All of the teams ranked in the top 10 were there because of strong performances last year and their historical reputation.  Why do you think USC is ahead of Texas in the AP/ESPN/USAToday polls?  Texas has some impressive wins, whereas USC struggled to get past some mediocre teams... but the pollsters keep USC at #1 because of their 30+ game winning streak and two consecutive national titles.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on October 26, 2005, 04:04:43 pm
First off, polls mean far less outside of Division IA because there is a playoff system.  Second, rankings are used to determine who good a team is right now, not a year ago.  Third, comparing common matchups doesn't mean a thing.  For example...

John Carroll beats Ohio Northern 50-25
Mount Union beats John Carroll 70-0
By this rational Mount should have destroyed Ohio Northern.  Instead...
Ohio Northern beats Mount 21-14

Head to head matchups don't mean much because of how different teams match up, injuries, travel, focus, etc.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on October 26, 2005, 04:39:38 pm
First off, polls mean far less outside of Division IA because there is a playoff system.  Second, rankings are used to determine who good a team is right now, not a year ago.  Third, comparing common matchups doesn't mean a thing.  For example...

John Carroll beats Ohio Northern 50-25
Mount Union beats John Carroll 70-0
By this rational Mount should have destroyed Ohio Northern.  Instead...
Ohio Northern beats Mount 21-14

Head to head matchups don't mean much because of how different teams match up, injuries, travel, focus, etc.

That's reason enough to rank Mount Union below Occidental.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on October 26, 2005, 06:51:41 pm
Even though they have a loss Mount's strength of schedule is #8 which is still higher than Oxy's. 

Since you used a Division 1 comparison earlier let me use one.  Let's say that a WAC team is undefeated while a Big 12 or Pac 10 team has one loss.  Most thinking people would give the nod to the Big 12 or Pac 10 team because their competition is much higher.

Again though, rankings really are nothing to get worked up about since all teams will have a chance to prove themselves.  And, if you asked all the playoff teams who they would rather play, Oxy or Mount I'm sure everyone would say Oxy.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 26, 2005, 10:22:20 pm
Cal Lu updated the look and feel of its Sports website:

www.clusports.com
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wildcat'64 on October 26, 2005, 10:57:16 pm
Thanks to all of you who voted today for Elliot for the Heisman.  D3 football really made a statement today coast to coast with Elliot receiving over 800 votes and moving into 7th place out of 41 nominees.
His success as a nominee will get positive publicity for all of D3 football.
If you have not yet voted, please do so at www.voteforheisman.com.

Your vote will make a difference for all of D3 football schools.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 26, 2005, 11:23:17 pm
Hey DesertCat...I voted for elliot btw, just cause I think it would be funny if he did actually win but you can't seriously look me in the eye and say he compares to some of those other QB's up for the heisman....anywho I am sure Pomona will throw all the tricks in their bag out on saturday vs. OXY...I expect them to grow out that mangy field of theirs to try and slow OXY down...I expect them to pull all 5 offensive linemen and do all their weird blocking schemes.....but the bottom line is that while these things may slow OXY down, it definitly won't stop them...I expect OXY to sustain nice long drives to eat up that clock all game and keep the ball out of pomona's hands....
FRESHMAN...learn your plays...you might get some PT this week !

  Ligerlover: 

Yes, I can look you in the eye and say he is that good.. Just wait  until the draft ?   

Did you forget he set an NCAA  All division record for TD's last year  and beat out the #1 pick in the draft last year until he broke his wrist  at D1.  Plus pretty good numbers this year Too.
 Pass efficiency rating ( 193.3)   #1 in the country D3  I know it's only D3..  slower db's.. and all..In six games 133/192 , for 1908 yds, 4 int, 26 TD's..   sounds pretty good to me gets my vote ..   
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2005, 01:54:59 am
The AFCA coaches poll holds a lot more weight than this D3Football.com poll. 

Oh yeah, right. Just ask Mount Union, since they're behind Delaware Valley in the vaunted AFCA standings ... err, rankings.

Since you are fixated on last year's scores as a measurement for this year, try this one:

Linfield 28, Mary Hardin-Baylor 21; Mary Hardin-Baylor 38, Mount Union 35
Linfield 52, Rowan 0; Rowan 56, Delaware Valley 7
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 27, 2005, 03:17:06 am
Im just saying......put reggie bush in a d3 uniform and I think it would be pretty scary.....I don't doubt that Elliot is a great QB, but A Heisman hopefull?.....come on now.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PitDawg on October 27, 2005, 10:20:48 am
Go Pitzer.... PP Defense steps up to the large task... PP 24 Oxy17
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 27, 2005, 10:23:20 am
I don't think anyone has mentioned that CLU got ONE vote on the coaches poll.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 27, 2005, 10:35:50 am
Pitdawg----How in the world would you think that Pitzer defense steps up. Have you seen their stats on defense. It looks like they like to give up easy points. Their D.B.s are horrible and their D.L. always suck. How in the world would they be able to pull off strong defense if they couldn't even do that on a average Levern team at the beginning of the year. 

Oxy's Defense sets the tone for the tigers Offense. The game is handed over to Oxy's 2nd team Offense and Defense by the beginning of the 4th quarter. And Pitdawg soon understands why he shouldn't have made a comment about pitzer's defense actually doing something. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on October 27, 2005, 10:51:32 am
Ask Trinity about stepping up.... :o  Oxy should roll, but Trinity should have too.  Otherwise, Elliot deserves to be mentioned in the fan based vote for heisman.  I think the Oxy fans are just jealous that Collins is not on that list.  One last thing, hypothetically, if the Regals win out, they will not beat the Bulldogs, do they get a pool B birth with their only loss to OxyCollins?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 27, 2005, 11:24:38 am
Ask Trinity about stepping up.... :o  Oxy should roll, but Trinity should have too.  Otherwise, Elliot deserves to be mentioned in the fan based vote for heisman.  I think the Oxy fans are just jealous that Collins is not on that list.  One last thing, hypothetically, if the Regals win out, they will not beat the Bulldogs, do they get a pool B birth with their only loss to OxyCollins?

Good point about Trinity, and thanks for running a little smack about Cal Lu, I was starting to worry that Bulldog Nation was going a little soft  ;D  The game won't be nearly as fun without at least a little back and forth...

As for the playoffs, I think the Kingsmen have an outside chance if they run the table - but they need some teams in other conferences (like Whitworth in the NWC and Concordia & St. John's in the MIAC) to lose unexpectedly.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on October 27, 2005, 12:39:36 pm
The AFCA coaches poll holds a lot more weight than this D3Football.com poll. 

Oh yeah, right. Just ask Mount Union, since they're behind Delaware Valley in the vaunted AFCA standings ... err, rankings.

Since you are fixated on last year's scores as a measurement for this year, try this one:

Linfield 28, Mary Hardin-Baylor 21; Mary Hardin-Baylor 38, Mount Union 35
Linfield 52, Rowan 0; Rowan 56, Delaware Valley 7

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mount Union lose to a #20-ranked team last week?  They are fortunate to remain in the top 10 in either poll.  Of course, the D3Football.com voters are blinded by their now-expired regular season winning streak.  Others seem critical that I look to last year's scores to aid in rankings -- at least I'm not going back over a period of 5 years and basing my judgments on past teams with players that have long since left the school.

The D3Football.com poll always undervalues SCIAC teams... it was true in 2001 when a strong Oxy team was largely ignored by these esteemed voters, and it's true today.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: paohca on October 27, 2005, 01:33:22 pm
Elliot of linfield for Heisman Trophy ----what a joke! He,s throwing tds against teams linfield has played that have combined records of 17 wins and 36 losses thru 7 weeks of play. ::) Hardly a Heisman candidate!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 27, 2005, 01:34:24 pm
Scandi--- Yeah,I agree with you. It seems like The Redland nation just took a break inside their liitle puppy house and haven't said much about this weekends big game between your school. I would have expected them being more alert and ready for the game.  In my opinion i think this game will be won in the last quater. However, I fill that Cal Lu will win this one based on their resilency and their attitude to stay on top. Both teams have great O-lines and D-lines. But who will win the battle for the trenches to keep the team alive?? As for Redlands, I hope that they can make this game competitive as they did last week. Only time and their long bus trip there will only tell.

Here's my prediction for this game. Mudd bowl 2005 at regel stadium under cold rain and wind. Sloppy conditions. Cal lu wins with its series on offense with a score of 21-14.  Dawgs never wake up after the third quater..

I hope to see that Cal Lu gets invited into the pool B. But that seems like a long shot for now. Who knows
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on October 27, 2005, 02:04:26 pm
 
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The D3Football.com poll always undervalues SCIAC teams...


Save it...I'm thinking OXY didn't go in 2001 after their IMPRESSIVE 3 point squeaker the last week of the season to 0-9 and now defunct Lewis and Clark failed to impress the NCAA.  Not to mention that the SCIAC hadn't won a playoff game in YEARS before last year.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mount Union lose to a #20-ranked team last week?  They are fortunate to remain in the top 10 in either poll...at least I'm not going back over a period of 5 years and basing my judgments on past teams with players that have long since left the school.


Seems to me Mount lost on a last second play in the national semi-finals, which is more than I can say about the trouncing that you took in McMinnville.  I'm thinking a lot of those guys are back.  Just like Linfield, they don't rebuild, they reload. 

See you in McMinnville in about a month!! :-*

RFB, you gotta make sure your boys get it done next year!



Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on October 27, 2005, 03:44:54 pm
For the Oxy fans who have just appeared hear in the last ten months.  The 2001 team was nothing special.  The only team out the SCIAC not to get any respect is the 99 Redlands team who trounced everyone after getting demolished by Linfield, fumbles  or not.  They were up on defending national champ APU 24-0.  Respect is earned by beating good oppenents.  Redlands has not done that since La Verne in 99.  IF the winner of the SCIAC goes out and wins two playoff games again than maybe, but I feel that if the team has to travel to unkind situations, outdoors in hostile climates, they will lose.
  As far as the arguement about last years Oxy team, the Bulldogs of 2002 would have surprised some people if they played at home and then got to play in a dome instead of 20 degree weather.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toph on October 27, 2005, 03:56:07 pm
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Mount Union lose to a #20-ranked team last week?  They are fortunate to remain in the top 10 in either poll.

This is a joke...right?  It's not that voters are blinded by an extinct winning streak, it's that Mount Union was and remains one of the best teams in the country.  To have one loss with the level of competition in the OAC week in and week out, and to be as dominant as they have been (this season) is something that you clearly don't understand or appreciate.  Before you get your boxers in a twist, I'm not a Mount fan, so don't come at me with that. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on October 27, 2005, 04:16:15 pm
I wouldn't even bring up the streak in the ranking -

My take on that post is that Mt Union lost to the 20th ranked team - that means on that day, Mt Union was not as good as #20. When a higher ranked team is beaten by a lower ranked team, it provides ammunition that the lower ranked team should move up and the higher ranked team move down. I feel the rankings should reflect, at least somewhat, what migh happen if two teams meet - the higher ranked team should win, on average, in most cases.


I will admit that I have not seen either team play, nor do I really follow them. Just in general, seeing ONU move up like they did, I think is justified. I would question, at least on face value, why Mt. Union didn't fall further.

Just my opinion which as all of you know - everybody has one.....
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on October 27, 2005, 04:20:05 pm
I think the rationale is that Mount would probably beat ONU 9 out of 10 times with the teams current rosters and the voters think that despite having a bad day once out of their last 110 they are still a fairly elite division 3 squad.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on October 27, 2005, 04:26:41 pm
I can accept that -

so based on the best knowledge, overall Mt. Union is still a better team than ONU.

Rankings. for the most part, are based on whatever info there is plus some gut feel or intuition. They don't always make sense to everyone.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on October 27, 2005, 04:28:54 pm
You're right, rankings are just that, someone's opinion...that's what's great about D3, we'll find out who deserves their ranking in about a month! ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on October 27, 2005, 06:27:47 pm
I think the d3football poll is more accurate than the ACFA poll.  These guys follow division III football more closely than anybody in the country.

Oh, and for the Heisman critic who said Elliott has only thrown touchdowns against bad teams....last time I checked he threw 7 against the SCIAC's finest last year....oh and he didn't even play the whole game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 27, 2005, 08:01:50 pm
Here we go again, another Oxy fan talking crap with their first post. Good to see the bandwagon is running just fine.

DT48,

Don't worry, Redlands will be back on top real soon. Laverne won three in a row in the 90's and haven't been heard from since.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 27, 2005, 08:32:12 pm
Ok, and how many of those wins are Lewis & Clark/Colorado College or some other creampuff pansy program. My math says about ten of those wins come from those two schools. Then you add Chapman, probably another four wins. So close to about 50% of those wins stink. What is Oxy's record over the last fifteen years? I won't even go there. Haven't seen you posting here before. So coming here and talking smack with your first post screams bandwagon to me.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Robert on October 27, 2005, 08:59:20 pm
okay fellows,
somebody has to say it, it seems that the team with the most difficult schedule ever
imagined,the team that was battle tested & ready to taking on all teams that wanted to be tested.....crumbled at the rock on Sat... dang fumbles & delay of game penalties can happen to any team....even those that are supposed to be so tough,
anyway, I say, "cupcakes for everyone",
Okay, so I can be a bit juvenile, heres to redlands tougher than thou schedule
neter...neter...neter.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 27, 2005, 09:00:36 pm
2005: Redlands 24  Oxy 31
2004: Redlands 28  Oxy 42
2003: Redlands 18  Oxy 14
2002: Redlands 42  Oxy 35
2001: Redlands 17  Oxy 24
2000: Redlands 52  Oxy 10
1999: Redlands 43  Oxy 14
1998: Redlands 49  Oxy 7
1997: Redlands 34  Oxy 31
1996: Redlands 59  Oxy 20
1995: Redlands 15  Oxy 20
1994: Redlands 30  Oxy 6
1993: Redlands 14  Oxy 21
1992: Redlands 35  Oxy 6
1991: Redlands 33  Oxy 7
1990: Redlands 52  Oxy 14


The proof is in the pudding!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 27, 2005, 09:01:37 pm
Ok, and how many of those wins are Lewis & Clark/Colorado College or some other creampuff pansy program. My math says about ten of those wins come from those two schools. Then you add Chapman, probably another four wins. So close to about 50% of those wins stink. What is Oxy's record over the last fifteen years? I won't even go there. Haven't seen you posting here before. So coming here and talking smack with your first post screams bandwagon to me.

Nicely said RFB - OxyBob, you walked right into that one.

You might also want to consider that many of the regular posters on this board have been watching SCIAC football for a long time - some for more than 20 years.  It's great to have new posters on board, but I'd encourage you to both take a longer view and realize you're posting to a board where folks understand that numbers don't always tell the whole story.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 27, 2005, 09:06:04 pm
I hope OxyBob and Robert aren't the same person - that might be in violation of site regulations  :o
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 27, 2005, 10:41:48 pm
Sorry Browneagle, no mud bowl this year, at least not yet.  Looks like it will be a nice day at The Lu.  Lets just hope the Regals...I mean Kingsmen show up to make the Alumni happy.  I know I will catch a lot of flack for this one, but why do some posters come on here and talk crap.  So your team beat another, now why not be men (or women) about it and talk about the game ythat was just played, not about the past.  I realize there is a lot of tradition at BOTH Oxy and Redlands, but the past is past and all that matters is what happened on the field this year.  Enough from me.  Looking forward to the weekend.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 27, 2005, 11:49:26 pm
Guys,

Take a look at the Around the Nation article and see what Keith has to say about Oxy.  He seems to have given us some love, or at least some ink in the past few weeks.

We can go on and on comparing history and what not between Redlands and Oxy, but I'm thinking that the score last week speaks for itself, right?  Oxy has come on strong in recent years and the fans of Oxy on this site have a right to be excited.  I don't think we should be talking about past seasons when past seasons do nothing for the kids who are playing now. 

Certainly when I was at Oxy, the program was not much to write home about, but all of us cannot help but feel excited about the direction we seem to be heading. 

Redlands' tougher schedule didn't translate into a win in Eagle Rock this year or last.  As I said before the game, I'm not convinced that a tougher schedule is that beneficial when you take into account the fact that Redlands now has 3 losses and has seemingly played themselves out of post season consideration. 

As for Oxy playing Colorado College and Lewis and Clark, perhaps that can be attributed to honoring contractual agreements?  With Oxy's success in recent seasons, the formula they have going seems to be working.  So, does the program even want to schedule differently?  With the geographic isolation of the SCIAC being a major hurdle, it could be difficult for all parties.  Oxy seems to prefer scheduling schools with similar academic profiles as itself, with a less emphasis on athletic tradition/success.

As I have been saying before, if the SCIAC improves itself to the level of Oxy/Redlands, then this entire conversation is dead.

GO TIGERS. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on October 28, 2005, 12:11:23 am
OxyBob,

Your a joke...Oxy is legit, and I will give that to them...but if Redlands plays their scheudle they could be 5-1, and could have beaten Oxy the other night.  Be happy that Oxy is 6-0, they will represent the SCIAC well....but look at the big picture, give Redlands their respect, and please dont be "pig headed" (owner circa 1993)

Oh yea...and your name is trash!!!  Oxy Bob????  What about Bob????  Sick movie, but your joke!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on October 28, 2005, 01:16:54 am
Guys, we need to raise the civility level up a bit, here.  It's not life and death.  What I'm disappointed in not seeing is a celebration of what a great college football game this was.  When Princeton and Rutgers threw it down in 1869, this kind of setting and competition was what they had in mind -- two college teams made up of kids solely their to get an education going at it with everything they have.   I'm not trying to be a pollyanna but this nyah nyah nyah stuff going on is beneath the normal quality of the board.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on October 28, 2005, 02:21:45 am
RFB, great job proving your point...

It is amazing how angry so many Oxy fans are.  You would think that after sucking for a long time they would enjoy the run their boys are having.  Being ranked #7 shows people are taking notice.

OxyBob, is your goal to go undefeated in the regular season just to lose come playoffs?  It sounds like you are saying it is ok to play creampuffs just so you can make the playoffs.  I'm sure the goals of the team are slightly more ambitious than yours are.  Get a clue and learn to compete.  You would probably be excited to see Oxy add Macalaster to their schedule next year to guarantee another win.

The real SCIAC fans understand that by playing and beating quality opponents you can earn respect so when you make the playoffs you can actually get a high enough seed to host a few games.  Right now Oxy will be lucky to host more than one playoff game because Whitewater and St John's have earned the right to be ranked higher (with of course Linfield as the #1 seed).
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 28, 2005, 10:36:16 am
Brady--- I agree with you on the two points that you mentioned in your last post. I sure do agree that if the Kingsmen show up and Redlands wakes up after their long bus trip, this game will turn out to be a good one.

As for what recent posters have been saying, yeah, the past is the past. We should live the present. I think i had mentioned that to a poster on this time a while ago.

Anyway's, we are one day away from some exciting games around the league. I hope that all teams do their best to get a W. The battle for the drum will be won by the team that has a solid game plan and a defense that is ready to get it done. In saying that, I know that Oxy's O-line will beat Pomona's much inferior D-Line. I bet the Running backs will reach 180 yards rushing and the passing game will be in the high 300's. 

Like i said this game will be over by the 4th quarter with Oxy keeping the drum.....

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 28, 2005, 11:42:13 am
I was just responding to OxyBob throwing out Oxy's record since 2001. That is why I responded with Redlands success over Oxy for more than a five year period. My point is any team can be good for three years, ask Laverne. But what about success and longevity as a football program? If Oxy continues their success post Collins, I will be the first one here to eat crow. But I suspect that Oxy will come back to earth real fast as soon as he graduates. He is a special player and makes that much of a difference.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on October 28, 2005, 11:53:42 am
RFB...

If it will make you feel better, just remember, OXY's season will only be one week longer than Redlands if they get sent plane tickets to Portland for Round 1. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PitDawg on October 28, 2005, 02:02:28 pm
P-P Defensive stats are fair, From what I gathered they are slightly better than OXy's but then again stats are not everything.  I just feel that they are primed to step up to the huge challenge of containinging oxy's mighty O.  A few turnovers can really can the outcome of the game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 28, 2005, 06:23:30 pm
PitDawg---The only thing Pitzer's Defense is goood at is giving up points. You should check that stat. I must say that Pomona is the only school that will be far below .500 at the end of the year. How in the world do you think that Pitzer can hang in????? But, i must at least commend you on saying this...Its your opinion. But, lets be realistic here. If both WHitter and La Vern are doing better than Pit then you know something is going up with the team itself. Probabily the whole coaching.

Good luck to all the school. ANd good luck to pit hope they turn out a game like Pit dawg is claiming..

Go tigers
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on October 29, 2005, 07:26:08 pm
Any scores?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 29, 2005, 07:49:26 pm
Final Score from Thousand Oaks:

CLU 34
Redlands 22

Great win for the Kingsmen who really played well in the second half (13-7 UR at halftime) to secure the win.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wc2viking on October 29, 2005, 07:52:13 pm
Oxy over P-P 41-34 from the Pomona website (http://www.physical-education.pomona.edu/mens/football/stats/2005/10-29-05.htm).

Surprisingly close, was Oxy looking past the Sagehens?

Edit: Actually, looking at the box score P-P scored twice in the last 2 minutes, including on the last play of the game.  So, not really that close after all.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 29, 2005, 08:32:44 pm
thanks wildcatinwi..
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 29, 2005, 08:41:48 pm
Wow!  Great win by Cal Lu today.  It was a tale of two halves with Redlands pretty much dominating the first half after an impressive opening drive by Cal Lu.  13-7 at the half but Cal Lu sure played well in the second half.  It could have been an 18 point win but Redlands scored with 38 seconds left.  I will have to say that Redlands sure played hard and lost with a lot of class.  Their fans were good and I couldn't believe how many people were there.  Great homecoming win by Cal Lu.  Any thoughts on a slight chance this might give the voters a little to think about or did the blowout loss to OXY cost them too much?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 29, 2005, 08:49:54 pm
Congrats to Cal Lu on a nice win today, wish I could have seen it in person. I am all for Cal Lu getting in but I can't see the committee giving the SCIAC two bids. Redlands played hard today, they will bounce back soon enough. Keep working hard Dawgs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on October 29, 2005, 09:04:37 pm
From what I hear, nothing new happened today. Oxy handled business, Redlands didn't. Congrats to Cal Who...I love it when you knock Redlands back to 3rd in the confrence...I guess Pomona scored 2 touchdowns in the last two minutes....they did the same thing last year to make the score look better than it really was...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on October 30, 2005, 12:36:04 am
Here's hoping the SCIAC had an injury free day and that TigerLover continues to post until the end of the Stagg Bowl or whenever the Occidental season is ended.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 30, 2005, 05:15:43 am
BOB- Hey man, not splittin' hairs here at all but how did P-P out-gain the Tigers if there was never any threat?  I assume a butt-load of those yards were way after the starters were out.  Just wondering...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 30, 2005, 11:36:11 am
Densla,

I am a big fan of Liger as well. I love reading posts filled with grammatical errors and paragraphs that utterly make no sense. What is even funnier is that he ripped Browneagle for how he spelled La Verne. Keep it up AB, I love it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on October 30, 2005, 11:47:02 am
Bob-  I figured OXY controled the game and like I said earlier, I am sure a lot of those yards came well after the starters were out.  I wasn't saying it like I thought OXY was lucky.  Good weekend in the SCIAC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on October 30, 2005, 03:15:55 pm
RFB,

I love the AB reference!  I wonder how many members of the bandwagon in this room even know who AB is?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 30, 2005, 03:18:39 pm
Fill us in if you can.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on October 30, 2005, 05:40:40 pm
Anheuser Busch?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 30, 2005, 06:00:13 pm
RFB,

I love the AB reference!  I wonder how many members of the bandwagon in this room even know who AB is?

Yes , we do he is family  ... Go Cats.. And  do you remember Fat Harvey? 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on October 30, 2005, 07:56:05 pm
AB(Aaron Biglin) was the older brother of former Whitworth quarterback Scott Biglin.  AB was perhaps the dumbest poster ever to enter the site.  He would make crazy claims about how his brother was going to play in either the NFL or CFL.  He also talked serious crap during Linfield week.  Anybody who knows anything about Linfield vs. Whitworth knows that the Pirates can't buy a win against the Cats.  All-time Linfield holds the slight edge at 25-3-2.

AB was also known for not being able to spell anything.  His grammer was really bad too.  I probably looked forward to reading posts from AB more than anybody else because I would serious laugh out loud.  It was a sad day when he disappeared after I think the 2002 game.  That game decided who won conference.  Linfield won 35-0 and I think Whitworth's offense had the ball for maybe 1:00 in the first half.

After that game AB changed his login name trying to be sneaky but everyone knew it was him because he couldn't spell.  When he was called out he disappeared forever.

A funny note about AB...the biggest debate was whether AB was a real person or just someone screwin' around.  A friend of mine had a summer job doing promotions while we were at Linfield.  He was calling a list of people and actually came across Aaron Biglin of Tacoma, WA.  So, the mythical AB really did exist.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gig Harbor Cat on October 30, 2005, 08:32:27 pm
Don't forget Rockcat, AB said that he was going to attend the Linfield game that year,  As a huge AB basher I told him exactly where I would be (south endzone)  no balls by AB  he no showed us.  Don't forget that AB always always used caps.  What a dandy

I am glad that he flamed out
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 30, 2005, 10:15:44 pm
Thanks, guys.  I remember his posts.

Only a few old timers to the SCIAC site will remember Jo Ryan.  He didn't know a thing but pretended to.  He was promoting some obscure new school to be part of the SCIAC.

He suddenly disappeared.  I think his school did also. 

I actually think Pat pulled his (her) posting rights.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: twoducks on October 30, 2005, 11:04:04 pm
Just a few obervations from the Cal Lu/Redlands game.  Both teams played hard and it was a good game to watch.  Redlands had the momentum the first half as Cal Lu struggled to find their rhythm.  Good opening drive with some great plays to open the game.  Redlands tended to have problems running the ball but they never quit.  #48 looked good for Redlands as well as a couple of the backers.  The punter for Redlands did a fine job and made some nice punts to put Cal Lu in a hole.  Cal Lu used a lot of folks on O as 4 recievers had 6 catches and their game plan seemed well balanced.  Charles Coleman WR for Redlands re-injured his knee and that hurt them I felt. Saras seemed to be hot and cold at QB.  Was wondering about Brown as he wasn't listed on the 2 deep line up but was still on the roster.  All in all it was a great day, (if you were pulling for Cal Lu) and an enertaining game.  Both teams worrked very hard and I thought Redlands showed a lot of class overall.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 31, 2005, 10:31:35 am
I hope everyone had a great weekend.

As the season is almost complete I hope that every team is pushing their hardest to play some exciting football. I know that Pitzer was doing their best to show what they had. Even Whitter did their finest but couldn't get it done. Congrats to Cal Lu on their win. Seems like the Kingsmen Bounced back from and Won over Redlands.

Anyways, Its homecoming week at the Rock. I hope that this weekends game turns out to be fun. I should be fun and exciting to see legends like Jack Kemp or Coach Jim Mora, Ben Affleck (oops, he never played sports at oxy) and all the rest of the guys coming back.   Overall, Oxy will take this game to its highest and come out with a 48 --14 Win..

Go Tigers
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on October 31, 2005, 12:27:24 pm
More evidence that the SCIAC doesn't get the respect it deserves... Cal Lu is 6-1 on the year, with its only loss coming to Occidental.  They beat Pacific Lutheran, Redlands, and whipped up on Menlo (54-0).  In spite of this strong performance this season, they don't have a single point in the D3Football.com rankings.  They may or may not be a top 25 team... but they're good enough to be get some getting votes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 31, 2005, 12:31:31 pm
Btw--- Thats some funny Stuff about the info on who AB was and that potentially there is another AB among this site.  In the end, i just hope everyone can keep this site civialized and aim toward just hearing about the fan's passion for d3football and what occured over the weekend.

Last thing, I do think and agree that Cal Lu should Recieve votes to go into the Pool B for the playoffs. THe kingsmen have done their part on whipping on some pretty good teams, eventhough, they mysteriously got lost when they arrived at the rock. Overall, i must say they are a better team than what they were expected to be. SO good luck to Cal Lu ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on October 31, 2005, 12:33:15 pm
Save it...I'm thinking OXY didn't go in 2001 after their IMPRESSIVE 3 point squeaker the last week of the season to 0-9 and now defunct Lewis and Clark failed to impress the NCAA.  Not to mention that the SCIAC hadn't won a playoff game in YEARS before last year.

That game against L&C was played the same Saturday that the first round playoff games were played.  We already had been past over long before we boarded a flight to play L&C.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on October 31, 2005, 12:37:23 pm
Cal Lu is in a tough spot. They have some good wins but they will be passed over come playoff time. The SCIAC will have a tough time getting a second team in over the NWC. Whitworth is in the drivers seat to get in if they win out. Too bad for the Kingsmen but the Oxy blowout is going to hurt them.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on October 31, 2005, 01:43:25 pm
It will be interesting to watch the playoff selection process unfold, and I'm excited that the Kingsmen have an outside shot.  RFB is dead on about both the loss at Oxy and Whitworth being the primary competition for the additional slot.  The Pirates play two decent teams, PLU and Willamette, in their last two games - so an upset is not out of the question.  It also wouldn't hurt the Kingsmen for some MIAC or WIAC schools to get moved out of the region, although I have no idea how likely that is.  Regardless, CLU has two more chances to show its own team strength, and both Whittier and Chapman have played teams close this season, so I am sure neither game will be taken lightly.

Saturday's win was big, regardless of how the playoff picture works out.  Redlands played tough and smart - and took advantage of CLU mistakes (2 fumbles - one right through the back of the end zone from the three yard line) in the first half to forge a lead.  I was very impressed by the way that the Kingsmen shrugged off the first half mistakes and came out strong in the second half, moving the ball offensively and stopping the Bulldogs on a crucial 3rd and goal from the 2.  It was an exciting afternoon of football, although I know it was a disappointing day for Redlands fans, who to their credit, showed up in large numbers and really supported the Dogs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on October 31, 2005, 02:22:04 pm
Frank...you got an applaud from me on the 'Anheuser Busch?'.

Suprised that a veritable, venerable d3 staple such as yourself had a negative karma. But then...you, as I, probably do not care because negative karma is a non-entity.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on October 31, 2005, 06:48:50 pm
DensLA: We aim to please, but if we fail, so what?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2005, 07:26:49 pm
xfactor82:

>>More evidence that the SCIAC doesn't get the respect it deserves... Cal Lu is 6-1 on the year<<

>>They may or may not be a top 25 team... but they're good enough to be get some getting votes.<<

The Kingsmen did get 1 vote in last week's AFCA poll, and they are No. 38 in this week's Don Hansen poll, in which Oxy is ranked No. 9.

http://www.afca.com/lev3.cfm/1084

With 40-some voters, the AFCA has a lot more votes to hand out.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 31, 2005, 10:05:22 pm
Can Don Hansen's one man band be considered a "poll"? 

Hopefully CLU will get some love in the next two weeks.  Getting to the playoffs is another thing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: toballer on November 01, 2005, 10:11:38 am
The SCIAC as we all know, and if you watch D-3 football in SoCal, is not very good. It is one of the worst conferences in the country.  This is not opinion it is a proven fact.  OXY is a pretty good team and deserves to go to the playoffs, but no one else in the conference is good enough.  One team is enough from SCIAC.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 01, 2005, 12:58:29 pm
The SCIAC has had some down years in the past, but I feel the conference is on it's way up. Oxy, Cal Lu, and Redlands are in great shape right now. Laverne, Whittier, Pomona, and Claremont are doing some good things and look to be getting stronger. This website has ranked the SCIAC over many other conferences. I look for good things from this conference in the future.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: toballer on November 01, 2005, 01:38:00 pm
You are correct that this web site did rank SCIAC head of other conferences.  SCIAC was ranked at the end of last season #20 out 25 conferences.  The out of conference record was 7-12.  This year CLU at 6-1 is not even ranked regionally.  The conference is not very well thought of.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 01, 2005, 01:58:10 pm
toballer,

And how many of those out of conference wins were against Colorado College, Lewis and Clark, Menlo or some other garbage team?  My guess is that the SCIAC would be even further below .500 against out of conference schools if they played good competition.  If often wonder if any of the whiners have ever seen a DIII game outside of Southern California.

With that said though, there are some teams doing some good things.  Obviously Oxy is on a good run and Cal Lu is building up their program and Redlands is right behind them.  But getting two SCIAC teams in the playoffs is a stretch this year because the west is without question the deepest region.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 01, 2005, 02:00:45 pm
The SCIAC will get better, the foundations are all pretty solid at all of the schools. Redlands, Oxy, Laverne, Cal Lu and Claremont all have long term coaches in place. Pomona seems to have a good, young coach. Whittier finally has a good coaching staff and they seem determined to build the program. It is good to see.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 01, 2005, 02:22:36 pm
Confidence...that's what Occidental has going into this season (and a QB from the Pacific Northwest). Last year they handled The Fly. They traveled far, played in a dome and came away with a win. They've seen how LINFIELD takes care of business.
I could see it in the small things they did as a team in the Redlands game: the sideline demeanor, the readiness of various units, and even (some) downfield blocking because they have the feeling that if OXYCollins scrambles in a broken play he could  go  all  the  way.
Have to agree with RFB in that if Andy goes down the ship sinks.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 01, 2005, 03:14:46 pm
It'll be interesting to see how Oxy performs without Collins.  He is listed as a Junior, but due to his transfer, I don't know where he is academically.  If he leaves after this season, I hear that we have a good Frosh QB from Michigan waiting...

Also, since I live in the midwest now, I have seen many D3 games outside of SoCal, and I have to agree that the SCIAC is not that strong top to bottom, but I really believe that Oxy, Redlands, and Cal Lu can at least compete on a national level right now.  We'll see if the league can travel well if given the opportunity in the future.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 01, 2005, 05:01:21 pm
I see a bunch of posts that owe Oxy's recent success entirely to Collins.  That's sounds good but just isn't in accord with the actual facts.  Oxy won the SCIAC in '01 -- going undefeated in conference play and losing only to Menlo in the opening week.   They didn't go to the playoffs because Pomona wasn't in the SCIAC.  In '03, they lost their starting QB the week before the Pomona game, lost that game with a new QB (not Collins), lost a squeaker the next week v. UR and then kicked the crap out of the next four teams, including Cal Lu and a 6-3 Claremont team.  The point is that Oxy's been on the rise since the millenium changed and getting Collins has transformed them from SCIAC contender to national quarter-finalist. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 01, 2005, 05:09:07 pm
And two more things.  (1)  Don't forget to tune in to www.oxybroadcast.com for the Laverne game this Saturday at 1:00.  (2) Oxybob, I don't mind the wit and good-natured ribbing.  Imho, the rhetoric got a bit heated and over the top.  If I'm the only one that feels that way, my bad.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 01, 2005, 06:15:30 pm
Quote
In '03, they lost their starting QB the week before the Pomona game, lost that game with a new QB
Funny how that works.
 
Your honor, I rest my case.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on November 01, 2005, 06:20:46 pm
The SCIAC is NOT as week as everyone seems to think....It like many other confrences has ups and it has downs...look at the northwest confrence right now....it is always seen as a pretty good league but it is in shambles right now...lewis and clark and pac lu are horrible...willamette bounced back from 3 tough losees but I think they are a redlands calliber team...as for whitworth, I think they are pretty good but not much better than the top 3 SCIAC teams....I think that calling the SCIAC horrible is a ridiculous statement...so rethink it toolboxer or toballer
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 01, 2005, 07:19:36 pm
Not so fast DensLA.  The QB was NOT Collins, first of all, it was Justin Elway.  He QB'd the loss to Redlands AND the final four crap-kicking games.  Thus, if you choose to rest your case, you just lost.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 01, 2005, 07:44:58 pm
I think his point was that the new QB lost the big game.  Who cares about blowouts if you lose the games that matter.

As for Liger...how can you even compare the SCIAC to the NWC?  That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard from you since last week.  The only team that might beat Whitworth would be Oxy.  I saw Cal Lu this year and the were decent but would be middle of the pack in the NWC. 

Good conferences don't have ups and downs...they are always UP.  When has the SCIAC really ever been up?  The NWC has been a national power since they moved to DIII less than 10 years ago.  Two different programs have won national championships and they always do well outside of the conference.  Both Whitworth and Willamette are better than Redlands and Cal Lu.  Whitworth proved this by easily beating La Verne and Redlands.  Willamette will most likely end the year with three DIII losses, all of which are playoff teams including last years championship game teams.

Like I said earlier, the SCIAC is getting better but they aren't there just yet.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 01, 2005, 08:50:38 pm
Comparing SCIAC and NWC is like comparing the Big-10 to the WAC.  Though an occasional Boise St. or Fresno St. can emerge from the WAC to challenge the big schools, the middle of the Big-10 is far superior.  Same applies here.  Since UR is one of the few teams that plays the good teams in that conference and routinely get beat between by between 2-5 scores, there is no contest.

Last thought on the Collins debate is that Linfield is pretty ordinary by their standards (i.e., maybe 8-1, 7-2 and not winning every game by five scores) without their QB.  Oxy moved the ball pretty well on them while it was still a game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 01, 2005, 09:47:25 pm
Linfield is 7-2 or 8-1 without Elliott?  Take a look at what the did before Elliott got there.  Linfield hasn't lost a regular season game since the 2001 season which is well before Elliott was in the picture.  Their only losses in '02 and '03 were to St. John's in the quarterfinals.

This isn't said to say Oxy wouldn't be good without Collins because they would be but instead to clarify your statement about Linfield.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 01, 2005, 11:11:53 pm
Quote
I think his point was that the new QB lost the big game.
YES! You are correct, Sir!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on November 01, 2005, 11:33:59 pm
OXY has a lot of weapons besides collins..... an offensive line  that has given up less than a sack a game, 1204 total rushing yards, and 4 seniors with starting experience. OXY leads the sciac in scoring defense, turnover margin, rushing offense, red zone defense, (and many more areas related to collins). OXY has a solid group of offensive backs and receivers as well as a solid defense. Collins is that piece of the puzzle that puts it all together but to claim that he is OXY's only weapon is a bit ridiculous.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 02, 2005, 12:12:22 am
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to claim that he is OXY's only weapon is a bit ridiculous

I have not phrased it that way.
 
Your team
This season
Forbidding OXYCollins misses an alarm clock
 does not
go anywhere
you dream
as with him.

Same with Elliott,
I suppose.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 02, 2005, 10:32:38 am
Tigersports----I couldn't agree any more than what you already had mentioned in your recent posts. Oxy has changed its program and views in the league since the 2000 season. That was my freshmen year and I couldn't remember a time when a team that had previoulsy had gone 1-9 or 2-9 wanted to change a lot. Ever since that first season in 00" the changes to the program became key points to turning everything around. THe players that came after, all pitched in to create what success everyone has been seeing.

The main point is this, Oxy has will do anything in its power to stay on top and understand that with the addition to pomona this can propel any team to the playoffs.

Go tigers

 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 02, 2005, 03:48:33 pm
That's quite a rivalry.  So big that neither team sees the other as their biggest rival!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 02, 2005, 04:04:59 pm
That is exactly what it says in the article. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 02, 2005, 06:02:27 pm
The Oxy/Pomona rivalry is, as the article suggests, really big with alums and carries the cache of an ancient rivalry.  Even in the mid-70's though, while steeped in tradition, it was not the biggest or most intense game of the year.  Given that certainly within my historical time frame (the past three decades) Oxy and Pomona have never faced each other in a game where the winner would take the SCIAC championship, I think its reasonable to see why Oxy/Redlands would garner more immediate importance . . . and given that Pomona and Claremont share the same overall campus as part of the Clarement Colleges . . . that rivalry sets itself up as well. 

Having said that, there is still nothing like the Oxy - Pomona game. 

my 2 cents


Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 02, 2005, 08:18:10 pm
Oxybob---Thanks for the info and the article. I already knew this info though. What i meant to say was that once Pomona Join the Sciac again and was no longer an independent, this lead to teams like Oxy and Redlands to get a Playoff berth. Something that was not done in the 01 season for Oxy because of Pomona. THats all i meant. Of course this rivarly is the oldest and yet still a good game that oxy always manages to play.

Go tigers
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 03, 2005, 04:56:16 pm
Nice article, interesting to see that Widolff's recruiting methods require protection by the second amendment  ;)

As for Collins, sounds like it's a done deal that he's coming back next year - good news for Oxy, troubling news for the rest of the SCIAC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 03, 2005, 10:35:27 pm
" . . . . Coach Widolff reserves the right to bare arms."

Use a pun, go to jail.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 03, 2005, 10:59:50 pm
So . . . have you all noticed that Oxy is ranked 4th in the West Region and Cal Lu 10th?  But even more key is that the  West Region's No. 1 (Linfield), No. 2 (UW Whitewater) and No. 3 (St. John's) teams also happen to be 1st, 2nd and 3rd nationally.

Tough region eh?  Here's hoping Oxy stays healthy and continues to perform.  Anyone heard an injury report on Ric  Fukushima?

Eat 'em up Tigers
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 04, 2005, 09:56:43 am
Key player, like QBs, from cold climates will help in the playoffs against cold weather teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lights On on November 04, 2005, 10:28:06 am
Totally random and opinionated without any evidence, but I truly believe the midwest is over-rated. The south and west coast conferences simply have better athletes. I'm not buying into the St. John/Concordia/Whitewater hype. Its a region living off its rich history, tradition and the love of D3 analysts. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 04, 2005, 10:36:48 am
SCIAC fans,

I hope you all have a great weekend and enjoy the games play across the southland.

If any of you guys are heading to the Rock, I hope  that you enjoy the festivities and the hard core partying after the game. Looks like Oxy has prepaired themselves to give LaVerne a tough game. I see no way that La Vern will win this game. Except if the Nigerian Nightmare returns and runs all over the field.

The offense will put up big numbers and the defense.....Well, they'll just dominant the field and give the fans a great game to watch. The front lines will be the most fun to watch.

Hope that you guys can join us at the rock.....Free party after
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 04, 2005, 10:38:33 am
So . . . have you all noticed that Oxy is ranked 4th in the West Region and Cal Lu 10th?  But even more key is that the  West Region's No. 1 (Linfield), No. 2 (UW Whitewater) and No. 3 (St. John's) teams also happen to be 1st, 2nd and 3rd nationally.

Thanks for bringing that up, Sabretooth - but doesn't that fly in the face of toballer's "confirmed fact" that the "SCIAC sucks and everybody knows it"? :o

It's great for the conference to have two teams in the top ten of what is clearly the toughest region in the country this year.  I hope that Oxy and Cal Lu finish strong and give the SCIAC a shot at putting two teams into the post season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 04, 2005, 12:50:27 pm
I think if Cal Lu would have been at least competative in the game against Oxy they would have a legitament chance of making the playoffs.  The thing they have going against them is that they have only beaten on team that is over .500.  If you only play two .500 teams in your whole season you better go undefeated.  Besides that I saw that game against Oxy and they looked horrible.  I'm not so sure they are really good enough to be a playoff team.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 04, 2005, 01:39:31 pm
You're right about the loss at Oxy, RockCat.  It was by far and away the worst performance of the year for the Kingsmen.  Even a close loss to Oxy would vastly improve their playoff chances.

The one thing they have in their favor is their similar results against the common opponents they share with Whitworth.  I understand that Whitworth is likely to get the slot if they win out, I'm just glad the Kingsmen are in the hunt.  As poorly as they played at Oxy, they have not let that one game define their season.  A strong finish against Whittier and Chapman goes a long way - regardless of whether or not the Committee deems Cal Lu playoff worthy.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2005, 02:42:48 pm
Totally random and opinionated without any evidence, but I truly believe the midwest is over-rated. The south and west coast conferences simply have better athletes. I'm not buying into the St. John/Concordia/Whitewater hype. Its a region living off its rich history, tradition and the love of D3 analysts. 

Some of that rich history and tradition is still playing, you know. St. John's won the title just two years ago. Players from that team are still there.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 04, 2005, 03:48:13 pm
You're right about the loss at Oxy, RockCat. It was by far and away the worst performance of the year for the Kingsmen. Even a close loss to Oxy would vastly improve their playoff chances.

/quote]

It's to bad that PLU wasn't better this year.  Most years a win against the Lutes is more meaningful. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: EMAN51 on November 04, 2005, 04:58:33 pm
<<Except if the Nigerian Nightmare returns and runs all over the field>>
Hey Brown Eagle, was there a player with that nickname on Laverne?  I thought the only Nigerian Nightmare was Okoye from APU?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 04, 2005, 07:26:00 pm
I'll back off a little.  Elliott is an unbelievable talent and Oxy did move the ball on Linfield until they got totally demoralized by Elliott's 12 td's in about 3 minutes. (Or so it seems).  Thus, there defense is a bit pedestrian.   My thought was that he's the engine that drives that team to greatness, imho.  Maybe I was a little off with that, especially since his receivers are better than anyone in the SCIAC.  Plus, the only possible loss in that was the 47-32 pasting v. Whitworth.  How's that for lawyerly equivocation!

As for the whole Collins thing, Oxy would still be 5-2 or 6-1 with Goltz and skill players.  Maybe not ranked, but still at the top of the SCIAC.  Bottom line is that this used to be Redlands' conference with an occasional interloper.  The conference now goes through both Redlands and Eagle Rock, Collins or no.

Ok, I'll let it rest.  (Dam lawyers).
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 04, 2005, 07:30:44 pm
Bold predictions for tomorrow:

Pomona-Pitzer   38, Colorado College   16
Occidental 45, La Verne   22
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   13, Redlands   37
Cal Lutheran 30, Whittier 24
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 04, 2005, 08:47:14 pm
Tigersports-

I have seen Collins play twice now, and I think he is a larger difference maker than you give him credit for.  Oxy's receivers and backs make great plays and are talented individuals, but without Collins in the mix I think they would get fewer chances to shine.  Collins makes defenses commit to containing him, freeing up the other offensive weapons the Tigers have.  Collins is especially a nightmare on third and long, situations defenses usually thrive on.  His mobility and arm strength help Oxy convert third downs they would not without him on the field, sustaining drives and helping to rest the defense. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 04, 2005, 09:04:53 pm
Good points, Scandi.  I think the midpoint of this dialogue  is that he's made a decent to very good team into a special one, and I can live with that assessment.  There are a lot of open receivers in this conference, but time after time, he's delivering a lot of "wow" balls.    At least once or twice a game, we're caught saying, "that's a throw you don't see too often in D-III."  Guys who can throw the deep out and deep post like him are usually, at the very least, sitting around on Saturdays giving signals to a D-I QB, hoping that that same QB gets hurt on the next play. :-)   Thanks for the discussion.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 04, 2005, 11:45:27 pm
Tigersports,

I was at the game last year between Linfield and Oxy.  Oxy did a good job in the first quarter moving the ball and showed a spark.  To say that Linfield wasn't special before Elliott is a bit of a stretch.  The Cats haven't lost a regular season game since early in 2001.  The guy who Elliott replaced, Tyler Matthews was no average QB himself.  He was first team all-american his senior year.

The offense did carry the team at times last year but when I counted, like the national semi's and finals the defense stepped up big.  This year the defense has been tough all year...or as the NWC posters would say, "salty."  Teams will have to play much better this year to be able to move the ball against the Cats.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on November 05, 2005, 12:18:34 am
I'll back off a little.  Elliott is an unbelievable talent and Oxy did move the ball on Linfield until they got totally demoralized by Elliott's 12 td's in about 3 minutes. (Or so it seems).  Thus, there defense is a bit pedestrian.   

Tigersports,

Oxy does have a good offense and did move the ball on Linfield early.  However, once Linfield's defense made their adjustments to what Oxy was doing scheme wise...Linfield put Oxy's offense in check for the rest of the afternoon.

That's the difference between Oxy and Linfield.  Linfield's defense made adjustments and took Oxy's offense out of it's game plan but Oxy could make defensive adjustments all day long but could not stop all of the Linfield weapons.

To call Linfield's defense a bit pedestrian is pretty funny.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 05, 2005, 05:26:09 pm
At the half in Thousand Oaks:

CLU 17
Whittier 0
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 05, 2005, 05:32:14 pm
At the half:

Oxy  24

La Verne  23

191 yards rushing for La Verne in the first half.

Collins has 3 TD passes.

347 total yards for La Verne
220 total yards for Oxy

Could be an interesting 2nd half.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 05, 2005, 05:58:30 pm
any score in the  second half? 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 06:05:01 pm
any score in the  second half? 

Oxy just picked up an option fumble at the 25, scored on the next play and now lead by 8, 38-30 with 11:06 in the third.  Listen to the Oxy broadcasts here (http://www.oxybroadcast.com/). 

Collins has 5 TD passes already for Oxy. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 05, 2005, 06:21:01 pm
thanks ron,,
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 05, 2005, 06:25:09 pm
Oxy 52
La Verne 30

2:25 left in the 3rd.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: EMAN51 on November 05, 2005, 06:25:50 pm
Oxy 52
Laverne 30
2 minutes remain in 3rd
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 05, 2005, 06:30:28 pm
now that sounds more like it..  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 05, 2005, 07:06:24 pm
Oxy 57
La Verne 36

Final.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 05, 2005, 07:14:52 pm
Great offense by Oxy . . . defense is going to have to step it up if the Tigers want to get to the West finals.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 05, 2005, 07:43:23 pm
Nice win for the Kingsmen - sounds like the second half was something of a mixed bag.

It's huge that Whitworth lost to Willamette  :o
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 05, 2005, 08:02:30 pm
It was a great win for the Kingsmen in a very hard fought game.  Both teams played good D and Cal Lu's offense was just too much for Whittier.  Not the classiest end of the game by either team, but what the heck, games always have a little "extra" going on. 
What does the Whitworth loss do for the playoff picture in the West??? Does this increase CLU's chances or are they done?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2005, 08:07:52 pm
Doesn't do anything, really. Bids are not handed out regionally.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 05, 2005, 08:08:43 pm
I see.....so is there a shot still?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2005, 08:14:07 pm
Any Cal Lutheran chance at the playoffs is a long shot at best.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 05, 2005, 08:16:10 pm
Thanks Pat.  It sure would be nice to get in but that whooping they had put on them at OXY sure doesn't help their cause.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 05, 2005, 10:33:31 pm
Any Cal Lutheran chance at the playoffs is a long shot at best.

Pat-

I don't have your expertise on the way the playoff brackets are filled, and I'll concede that I understand why the Kingsmen are not front runners for a spot.  But I am interested to know why they are, in your opinion, such tremendous longshots at this point in the process.  Thanks for your thoughts.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 06, 2005, 03:36:05 am
Why does it always take forever to get Oxy's story and box score posted?  How brutal.  They are one of the few teams every week that doesn't have it on this site or on their own the same day.  You should especially expect a ranked team to get this out.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 06, 2005, 09:52:40 am
It frustrates me too.  I know we do have an SID, just not sure why it takes them 2-3 days to get things posted.  Ranked or not, stories/scores should be up immediately.

 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on November 06, 2005, 11:25:14 am
Oxyfan,

Your totally correct about SID's and posting their information sooner.  Everybody always talks about the SCIAC and that they get no respect, but we really have nothing to argue because we bring it upon our selvs.  It does take the SID's days to post things, its rare to find your game on the radio, and so on.  The SCIAC needs to get these people more involved, or we are not going to be looked at on the national level!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on November 06, 2005, 12:45:25 pm
It frustrates me too.  I know we do have an SID, just not sure why it takes them 2-3 days to get things posted.  Ranked or not, stories/scores should be up immediately.

That is pretty funny because our S.I.D. is so on top of his game that he even wrote a story with complete stats for Linfield's Alumni/J.V. game.

Linfield Sports (http://www.linfield.edu/sports)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 06, 2005, 12:48:35 pm
WC11,

I think Kelly Bird has to be one of the best SID's in the country.  He is always timely and the website is as good as you will find anywhere at any college level.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on November 06, 2005, 12:55:28 pm
Wildcat11,

Whats the deal with your alumni/JV game???  Is it full contact?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 06, 2005, 01:20:53 pm
Wildcat11,

Whats the deal with your alumni/JV game???  Is it full contact?

Get real, this is not "sju no contact"  football ..  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on November 06, 2005, 01:41:49 pm
Thats a cool idea...I had just never heard of such a thing.  It would be fun t o play in one of those.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2005, 02:57:16 pm
Scandihoovian, I just feel with their low QOW they will either be the last one-loss team selected, and two-loss teams might go ahead of them. On the criteria, CLU isn't great, and anecdotally they are worse (non-conference opponents 5-20, only loss is by 32 points, third Pool C team in the West rankings, etc.).
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: EagleRockKid on November 06, 2005, 07:07:49 pm
Luckily the Oxy defense was able to make some adjustments in the second half versus La Verne or we may have seen the kind of upsets we've been seeing lately around the nation in DIII football. The Oxy offense must have possession of the ball in order for Collins and the other weapons to get going.

Seems teams have figured out the Oxy defensive weaknesses, center of the D-line and the Defensive backfield.  Losing Stowers and Gutierrez back there due to knee injuries has really hurt.  I think a couple of minor changes in the Oxy D will be necessary if they want to win any games in the playoffs.  Fukushima should be back by then so the Offense will be able to score points.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gig Harbor Cat on November 06, 2005, 07:35:06 pm
If they come north first round, they are history.  If they give the Cats that kind of room its game over
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 06, 2005, 09:40:13 pm
I don't see an Oxy -  Linfield pairing in the first round.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 06, 2005, 09:53:56 pm
Sabertooth,

If history is any judge than you may be right.  Since 2000 Linfield has played their first round game against teams from the midwest four times.  Of course things will be different with playoffs being expanded but my guess is that the Cats get the Iowa team to open things up. 

I still think there is a chance that Oxy gets a home game to open things up.  It may be a rematch of their first round game against Concordia.  Of course the NCAA may get cheap on everyone and send all those midwest teams on road trips leaving the two west coast teams to meet.   If that's the case then there will be purple frisbees flying around the Catdome once again.  If La Verne can put up that many points what will Linfield do?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 06, 2005, 11:00:54 pm
Scandihoovian, I just feel with their low QOW they will either be the last one-loss team selected, and two-loss teams might go ahead of them. On the criteria, CLU isn't great, and anecdotally they are worse (non-conference opponents 5-20, only loss is by 32 points, third Pool C team in the West rankings, etc.).

Thanks for your reply, Pat.  Sounds like they need a few teams to lose on Saturday - and maybe PLU and Menlo to pull off upsets  :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 07, 2005, 02:04:10 am
It was your boy Eaglerockkid that gave us the analysis about how Oxy's weakness is in their secondary and d-line.  If they can't get a pass rush and can't cover receivers it would be a long day.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 07, 2005, 02:27:05 am
rockcat,

Oxy had Willamette at home for the first round last year.  Concordia was Oxy's second round game played at the Fargo Dome.  That got the Tigers to the 3rd round/regional finals at McMinnville.

And I just noticed that the newest d3 polll is out . . . five of the top 10 teams are in the west as follows:  (1) Linfield, (2) UW Whitewater, (3) St. Johns, (6) Oxy, (10) Concordia-Moorhead . . . I'd say that the west is being noticed . . . even Cal Lutheran got a vote.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 07, 2005, 10:23:36 am
I hope everyone had a great day over the weekend and at the games.

To everyone that was at the rock I bet you can agree that We were all glad to see that Oxy bounced back from the first two quarters of the game. I have to give the first couple of quarters to La Vern for showing up with a decent running game and plan though. However, they did fold after the beginning of the 3rd quarter.

I do agree with some people on their recent post. Hopefully, the defense steps back to their dominantiing ways in order to not get into the same trouble they had with La Vern. Overall, that was a great game toward the end.

Should be a great game against Claramont... i haven't heard much of them this season. Any word on them. Hopefully, both lines for oxy can get it done this coming weekend
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 07, 2005, 10:39:57 am
Sabertooth,

Thanks for the correction.  My mistake.

Without question the west is brutally tough this year.  I think that is why it is so difficult to forecast how the playoffs are going to look.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 07, 2005, 02:12:26 pm
Are all you Oxy boys going to be at the game this weekend?  It would be cool to meet a few of you.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 07, 2005, 02:36:20 pm
Oxy's D looked like UCLA (and I don't mean that in a good way) for about a quarter and a half.  They stiffened with three key stops to end the half, allowing them to take a halftime lead.  In fact, from the 23-10 deficit, Oxy went on a 45-7 run until Collins' perfect pass to Magdaleno for Laverne's last TD.  The Leos moved the ball between the 20's in the second half but could muster no scores after scoring on their initial drive in the 2nd half.  Their D just got tuckered out as they played just about the same 11 for most of the game. 

One thing in Oxy's favor is that bad run D won't necessarily hurt them should they play Linfield, because any play that the ball isn't in Elliott's hands is a victory for the defense.

That said, unless Oxy scores just about every single time, they're gonna struggle in the post-season, because just about everyone has an offense as good as Laverne's.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 07, 2005, 02:38:35 pm
Just wanted to mention that there's a great playoff bracket discussion happening on the West Playoff Bracket discussion board.  Oxy is in the mix, of course, and CLU is getting a fair amount of play there as well. http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3903.165
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 07, 2005, 02:41:18 pm
Tigersports,,

Remember ,  No cupcakes after the first round, until the East.. ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 07, 2005, 03:01:31 pm
Oxy needs Linfield and a couple of others to take detours through upset city.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 07, 2005, 03:37:09 pm
Come on TigerSports----It was just Two quarters. Don't give up on the tigers just yet. When the postseason comes around i am sure they will be getting their acts together. I even bet you the Coaches might be ripping the Guys today during Video meetings about the first two quaters. Obviously, they are going to be understanding that this can't happen again.

I just hope that Oxy wont be underestimated in the postseason. Who knows if they end up being the ones who upset teams this year.

Anywho's, the defense will re-tool. The D.B's and D-line will sure end the regular season on a high note.  ;D


Go Tigers
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Post by: tigersports on November 07, 2005, 04:49:57 pm
Hope you're right, Browneagle.  I wasn't exactly giving up, but perhaps just trying to send a cautionary signal.  Bottom line is that if the D regroups and the receivers and Collins are on the same page, it will be a tough team to beat.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 07, 2005, 06:20:02 pm
True enough OxyBob, but given the choice of going to McMinnville or not going at all I'd love to see the Kingsmen pack for Oregon.  It's important for them to play well on Saturday at Chapman, and I know that beyond that they're likely to need some help.

Some of the Linfield guys have been nervous that the Cats have sort of been coasting through the season waiting for the playoffs, and I don't blame them.  Seems like this week's Willamette game is getting the Wildcats full attention - could be just the post season tune up that Linfield needs, and the rest of us would rather they didn't get.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 08, 2005, 01:48:33 pm
OxyBob,

This is a fun week for Linfield and Willamette fans.  Their is quite a rivalry between the teams for a few reasons.  They are of course very close, only about 25 miles apart.  Also, a lot of players were recruited by both schools. 

In recent years the games been won by Linfield (I don't think Willamette has won since '99) but even in years were the Bearcats aren't great the games usually are competative and definitely fun to watch.

Personally I enjoy seeing the Cats beat Willamette more than any other school in the conference and I have a feeling that others feel the same way.  This will be the first time since '99 that I'm missing this game which really sucks.  I'm going to have to lend my support to Oxy out at Clarement instead.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 08, 2005, 03:04:16 pm
RockCat----It should be a pretty nice day out in Claremont.  So go ahead and soak in the sun and nice weather. I wish i could join you guys at the game, but have some engagements that have already been planned.

By the way, if you spot any pomona kids stumbing from out of the bushes, well you know that they ended losing that day and that their season is over. THey usually do that.

I expect that the tigers will bounce back really quick and beat Claremont really Early. By the end of the 3rd quarter the oxy recievers should have racked up at leat double or triple digits. The running game will end in triple digits. And the defense, well , they'll end up dominanting all over these engineering kids. I do really think  Claremont is the only school that hasn't done much to have a great season. So this should be a real quick and fun game for the tigers


Go oxy

 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 08, 2005, 03:08:19 pm
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scandihoovian
Some of the Linfield guys have been nervous that the Cats have sort of been coasting through the season waiting for the playoffs, and I don't blame them.
That would be me.  I applauded the astute observation from the second stringer.

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OxyBob
I'd like to see the Kingsmen packed up and headed to Oregon, too, because that means Oxy will be playing Linfield in the second round rather than the first round.
The WILDCAT faithful may talk tall about playing the toughest foe available but two SCIAC teams in a row to get a home game in the quarter-finals would be hunky dory.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 08, 2005, 03:45:41 pm
By the way...Occidental WAS considered a worthy opponent by the LINFIELD faithful last year. And we know who they have back this year.
Let's all get there first.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 08, 2005, 04:37:49 pm
Let's all get there first.

Amen Dens . . . I imagine that a lot of us will be glued to ESPNews on Sunday morning to see what sorts out.  The discussion on the "playoff brackets" thread is interesting, particularly the notion of UW Whitewater moving to the North bracket . . . it sure seems to make sense to not load up all of the top ranked teams into one regional bracket.

Here's hoping Oxy pummels the Stags for an extra push when the powers that be set up the first round.  And if by the will of the football gods Oxy manages to face the Cats again in the regional final . . . maybe the Oregon boys would enjoy a trip to the sunshine state to enjoy a little So Cal weather and beach action?

Probably not . . .
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 08, 2005, 06:07:51 pm
Things are always sunny at the Catdome Sabretooth.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 08, 2005, 06:12:01 pm
And from the traffic on the way through McMinnville every weekend the beaches must be pretty nice too.... ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 08, 2005, 06:38:41 pm
rockcat...on second thought maybe we should take in the California Lutheran/Chapman game in Orange this Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 08, 2005, 08:17:23 pm
Dens,

Nah, I think we should still to the Oxy game.  I saw Cal Lu play Oxy this year and they were brutal.  Chapman is now powerhouse either.  I think I might fall asleep if I go to that game.  Besides that I visited the Claremont colleges when I was making college visits when I was in high school.  I'm kind of looking forward to seeing if my first impression was accurate.  Needless to say I hadn't visited Linfield yet when I was checking out the SCIAC schools back then.

I know there is some good talk about the playoffs going on elsewhere but what do you think Oxy's chances are of hosting a playoff game?  I think they will get round one at home.  Some are saying that they will be up in Mac but I am predicting that the Iowa champion will face the Cats in round one.  It would be great to be able to drive 15 minutes to Eagle Rock and watch a playoff game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 08, 2005, 09:34:52 pm
I'd lay a few ducats down that Oxy will host round one.  They're ranked too high to have to travel to all of their games (imho) and they will have long distances to travel for the balance . . .

My best guess would be that after winning round one (unbridled optimism), that the Tigers will travel to St. John's for round 2 (assumption being that St. John's wins round one and is bracketed to meet Linfield in the final) . . . and that after a great, hard fought battle against a tough St. John's squad with a proud tradition .  .  . that the Tigers will return to McMinnville for a rematch of last year's finals.

I only see Oxy hosting a second round game if Linfield and/or St. John's is upset in round one.

Or not.

thoughts?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 08, 2005, 09:36:27 pm
Oh, and all of that previous post assumes that UW Whitewater is sent out of the West region for the playoffs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 08, 2005, 10:16:16 pm
I agree with Sabretooth's assessment - I think Oxy's likely to host a first round game, especially if UWW gets shipped.  As for Oxy's chances in Collegeville, well, that's a different discussion.

Rockcat-
Cal Lu's performance in Eagle Rock was an aberration, it's too bad that's been your only chance to see the Kingsmen this year.  Having said that, I wouldn't blame you for going to the Oxy-CMS game.  Claremont is one of my favorite places to watch a game in the SCIAC, and the Stags always put together a decent scheme, regardless of how much talent they're able to put together.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 09, 2005, 01:59:50 am
Agree that Oxy will travel if they win round 1.  Can't see them sending the Johnnies out here.  Be nice to see an Oxy/C-M rematch out here.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 09, 2005, 02:20:38 am
Oxy and Concordia would be a great first round game.  A friend of mine out here is a former MIAC player and has been rooting for that game to take place.  I also agree with you that Oxy will be flying somewhere if they win in round one.

I'm looking forward to going out to Claremont.  I'll be the one in purple ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 09, 2005, 10:27:33 am
If all turns out well after saturdays dismanteling of the stags I hope that the power that be will automatically give the tigers a first round playoff game at home. I am sure that after the performances these past weeks Oxy's consideration of having that game played at the rock  will be granted.

Last years, First round playoffgame at the Rock was just awesome. The weather, the sun, the wild girls and fans, and the partying at the Rock was just memorable. Again, it would be great if this happened in 05. If this occurs maybe Rockcat and others could join an awesome game.

My prediction for saturday against Claremont

Oxy 48- Young bucks 21

 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 09, 2005, 11:12:36 am
Hey Browneagle, I have a question about your last post.  You mention about the last few performances by OXY as being ........ (that is my sign for not knowing if they were great performances or if they were not great)  I am by no means trying to knock OXY here at all cause the numbers show a big fat 0 in the "L" colum, but it seems to me that they have been a little sluggish or something lately.   Hey, sorry OXY fans as I am sure I am going to take some verbal abuse for this post but I am not saying anything in the way that it is knocking OXY at all.  Good luck to all this weekend.

By the way, great points made by many about the whole playoff picture.  I sure would love to see Cal Lu in the playoffs...even if they do have to play some team in Oregon, I just can't remember which one..... ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 09, 2005, 11:15:08 am
  It would be great to be able to drive 15 minutes to Eagle Rock and watch a playoff game.


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You must live right around the corner, You can't  get around the block in 15 min.  Down south ?  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 09, 2005, 11:40:52 am
Desertcat,

Yeah, I'm only a couple of miles away.  Life is just a little different here than up in Mac.  The traffic is about the same though.  I'm still not convinced if I like it here yet either :).  I haven't been to one Linfield game this year which of course is a huge disappointment.  Hopefully the days will work out for me to catch a home playoff game as I head north during Christmas break.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 09, 2005, 11:48:56 am
Well, that article in the Times certainly does a lot as far as recognition...What SID?  j/k...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 09, 2005, 12:16:52 pm
RC,

Just go down to the beach and  pick yourself up some twins?  And the southland will have a new meaning plus the  traffic delays will be alot more fun...  ;D

Hope to see you at the Catdome.
Go Cat.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wildcat'64 on November 09, 2005, 12:18:59 pm
Great PR for OXY and D3 football.....the recognition is well deserved! :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 09, 2005, 12:20:11 pm
No worries brady-  ;D---What i was mentioning was the same thing that some posters were mentioning in that the defense seemed to show a little glitch in the first two quaters of saturdays game. I think tigersports put it well when he said that this should be a caution when the tigers get ready for the postseason.

Yet. on the other hand, i feel confident in that the defense will improve the glitches, bugs , mistakes just in time for the playoff. Thats all i meant.
Anyways, i could also guess that they guys from oxy were just busy and happy to have homecoming celebrations all week last week. I mean they all had a reception with legends like Jack kemp, Jim Mora , Ben Affleck and a lot of other teams that had tradition at oxy. (I was there myself).


Overall, though like i said the tigers will bounce from any little mistakes and take it all the way.They will prove a lot in this postseaon and in the years to come..

Go tigers

P.s. Goood luck to Cal Lu if they can get a bid into pool B or any pool to make it to the playoffs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 09, 2005, 12:25:50 pm
A person really has not taken in Southern California until he spends a nice July day at Hermosa Beach. Grab yourself a nice cold, frosty beverage and watch Baywatch in realtime.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 09, 2005, 12:29:54 pm
Nice article on Oxy, nice to see DIII getting some love.

Browneagle,

Did I read correctly that you included Ben Affleck as an Oxy alumni legend? I think I might go puke now, the guy is a major hack.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 09, 2005, 12:40:44 pm
I thought Affleck was an Ivy league guy...  and RFB's assessment of his recent career is dead on.

The great thing about the Oxy article for those of you who don't get the print edition of the times was that it ran on the front page of the sports section, and ran with great photos that took up most of the page.  Definitely the Times feature sports story of the day - especially important given the fact that they've stopped running D3 game summaries in the print edition on Sunday mornings.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 09, 2005, 12:44:39 pm
Bob-O, I wasn't refering to the OXY "O" as being sluggish, it was directed more at the D.  I believe I saw more than 400 yards given up to Pomona, 36 points to ULV.  Like I said though, I am not knocking OXY at all cause they obviously have a hell of a team, but when the Playoffs roll around, pretty much everyone has a solid offense, which from the way it LOOKS on paper (i have not seen it in person) might spell a lot of trouble for OXY.  Just my random thoughts, and like I said, I am not knocking OXY.

Also, I like RFB's idea about the beach and twins and all that good stuff.

I can't believe Jennifer Garner went from me to that no-talent ass clown Affleck.  I mean come on, didn't she see "Gigli" like the rest of us :D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 09, 2005, 12:49:45 pm
Oops, it was desertcat that had the idea about the twins.  My bad, but all thoughts about the beach and twins and all that bring a smile to this guys face ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 09, 2005, 12:56:33 pm
Does anyone know when the next set of regional rankings come out?  Where's the best place to find them?  Seems like they're usually posted elsewhere first and then posted by d3football.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 09, 2005, 01:01:44 pm
Oops, it was desertcat that had the idea about the twins.  My bad, but all thoughts about the beach and twins and all that bring a smile to this guys face ;D

Tom ,
Their names are Bobby Joe & Betty Lou.. And they are Natural blondish. Big Smile  8)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 09, 2005, 01:01:50 pm
Scandihoovian,

Cal Lu needs to pull out all the stops and hang about 55 on Chapman this weekend. They need a blowout victory to be freshly sitting in the heads of the committee on Sunday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d-train on November 09, 2005, 01:12:18 pm
Does anyone know when the next set of regional rankings come out?  Where's the best place to find them?  Seems like they're usually posted elsewhere first and then posted by d3football.

You might find them here:
http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens
just a little before Pat gets a chance to post them. But usually he is fairly quick. Anyway, they typically are released sometime this evening.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 09, 2005, 01:18:39 pm
Didn't Affleck only go to Oxy for like a semester?  I was actually talking about that last night with a few Oxy students.  I actually heard that Oxy did a whole story about famous students who transferred out of Oxy before graduating.  I think it was in their alumni magazine or something.

Desertcat, you're big on twins huh? ;)  If I could get out of class and avoid my wife  learning of these twins that would be a great substitution for being at the Catdome on a rainy autumn Saturday.

RFB, go look outside....this is what I'm used to seeing at the beach in July back in Orygun.  It will be blazing hot in the Willamette Valley in mid-summer but when you get to the beach it is 62 and drizzling.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 09, 2005, 01:28:13 pm
Yes, it was in our alumni magazine at some point.  Depending on your political leaning, left or right, we can also be say that Barack Obama went to Oxy before transferring (to Columbia, I believe).

If anyone is willing to save a print copy of today's LA Times, let me know, I'd love to have a copy of it with the pictures.

Go Tigers.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 09, 2005, 01:34:43 pm
You may well be right RFB, I think teams in CLU's current position often have no choice but to try and put up big numbers where possible in order to impress the selection committee.  It doesn't generate warm and fuzzy feelings with opponents but they just have to deal with it.  I can remember a few times in the 1990's when Redlands had to put up some extra TD's in the days before the SCIAC got an auto bid.  It was a bummer when your team was the one they were doing it to, but I remember understanding why they needed to do it.

At any rate, I think the Kingsmen need to at least have the kind of strong showing (consistent effort & execution with limited penalties and turnovers) that they've had a couple of times this season and avoid going a little flat like they did against CMS and Whittier.  It would be a big step for the SCIAC to get two teams in.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 09, 2005, 01:40:24 pm
...and thanks, D-Train, for the info on the regional rankings.  My manners escaped me momentarily - to the abject horror of my two scandihoovian grandmothers.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 09, 2005, 01:47:53 pm
Desertcat-  Those names sound like you found them on a beach somewhere way down south in Texas :).  At any rate, I like the "Natural Blondish" color hair you described.  You don't find too many natural blondes in So Cal.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 09, 2005, 01:56:45 pm

Desertcat, you're big on twins huh? ;)  If I could get out of class and avoid my wife  learning of these twins that would be a great substitution for being at the Catdome on a rainy autumn Saturday.


RC,

  Not much can be better than the Catdome and playoffs . Even the twins come in second to that.  ;D
 I think you better leave all the twins to me I don't want you  to get  scalped by MRS. RC on the war path . :o



Tom B,   Try Blacks beach(nude)  near Del Mar were the surf meets the turf.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 09, 2005, 02:01:13 pm
I am on my way to Del Mar ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 09, 2005, 02:09:45 pm
Tom B,   Try Blacks beach(nude)  near Del Mar were the surf meets the turf.  ;D
Quote

With all due respect, I'd recommend Cardiff, Swami's or San Onofre where you can enjoy a good social beachs scene while you check out the cool wahines riding their longboards on some tasty waves . . .
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 09, 2005, 02:18:38 pm
Alright, where's the "modify" button so I can edit my post?  It's a "beach" scene not a "beachs" scene.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 09, 2005, 02:40:24 pm
Sabre-

You should be able to see it when you're logged in (but only for your posts).  It's in the upper right hand corner of your post.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 09, 2005, 03:44:15 pm
You may well be right RFB, I think teams in CLU's current position often have no choice but to try and put up big numbers where possible in order to impress the selection committee.  It doesn't generate warm and fuzzy feelings with opponents but they just have to deal with it.  I can remember a few times in the 1990's when Redlands had to put up some extra TD's in the days before the SCIAC got an auto bid.  It was a bummer when your team was the one they were doing it to, but I remember understanding why they needed to do it.


I think that that was one of the reasons UMHB beat McMurry 72-0 last week in the ASC to assure themselves a good bid and seed.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 09, 2005, 04:01:33 pm
Quote
Great PR for OXY and D3 football.....the recognition is well deserved! 

Ditto!

A copy of the TIMES sports section should be sent to the faculty at Lewis and Reed Clark who are contemplating (between navels) the future of the well-rounded male student and the Northwest Conference at their institution.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 09, 2005, 04:19:08 pm
Great point on the L&C comparison, they are indeed very similar institutions - with very different football situations.  Oxy has been fortunate that Widolff chose to make their football program his calling.  That's the kind of consistency you get, the kind that helps weather the inevitable storms that come with administrative changes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 09, 2005, 04:28:00 pm
As a NWC guy living abroad in SoCal maybe one of you can help answer a question for me.  Why isn't Chapman in the SCIAC?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 09, 2005, 04:34:08 pm
From my understanding, Chapman tried for some time to get into the SCIAC. Not sure as to why they were denied, but I think it had to do with academics. They might as well be in the SCIAC, they play every school in all sports.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 09, 2005, 04:39:54 pm
I've found it hard to keep track of why they aren't in the SCIAC.  Some people say they prefer to be indendent because the SCIAC has additional recruiting and practice regulations and sometimes you have a better shot getting into the post-season as an independent.  Others as RFB mentioned, say it's a matter of the SCIAC not wanting Chapman.

Not only do almost all of the SCIAC schools play Chapman in football, but in most other sports, like basketball, schools play "home and home" with them - just like you would a regular conference opponent.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 09, 2005, 04:41:03 pm
Oxy has been fortunate that Widolff chose to make their football program his calling.  That's the kind of consistency you get, the kind that helps weather the inevitable storms that come with administrative changes.

A few years ago I went to see La Verne play Howard Payne here in Texas.  After the game I got to talk to one of the La Verne assistants who had been at Oxy.  This was near the end of Oxy's down years.  He told me that the Oxy admissions / administartion had not been giving athletes a break.  But that had just changed and Widolff had just got some good linemen as freshman.  It has been interesting to follow the slow but steady improvement in their program.  

It is too bad that schools like L&C and Mac have such an elitest attitude about academics vs "jocks" and other real people.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 09, 2005, 04:45:32 pm
I think it is the Cal Tech factor.  It is an eight team league.

Anything that somehow would work against Cal Tech is really not in the best interest of Cal Tech, the SCIAC, or the D3 philosophy.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 09, 2005, 04:50:13 pm
You may well be right RFB, I think teams in CLU's current position often have no choice but to try and put up big numbers where possible in order to impress the selection committee.  It doesn't generate warm and fuzzy feelings with opponents but they just have to deal with it.  I can remember a few times in the 1990's when Redlands had to put up some extra TD's in the days before the SCIAC got an auto bid.  It was a bummer when your team was the one they were doing it to, but I remember understanding why they needed to do it.


I think that that was one of the reasons UMHB beat McMurry 72-0 last week in the ASC to assure themselves a good bid and seed.


Gray,
 Do you really think so? ;)  The some of the  umhb boys said ,  not so, but looks pretty fishy to me?  ;D Check out the last SJU score too?  They are the  real experts at running it up .  8)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 09, 2005, 04:57:39 pm
I think it is the Cal Tech factor.  It is an eight team league.


Good point on Cal Tech, Gray Fox.  Nine teams makes for messy scheduling in every other sport.

I also agree that even very small changes in admissions and financial aid policies can have a huge impact on the ability of D3 schools to attract quality kids to their athletic programs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: apgonzo on November 09, 2005, 05:14:08 pm
There is rumor going around that they are trying to remove CLU from the SCIAC anyone of you knowledgeable gentleman heard anything about that? I heard it is because they are so far north.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 09, 2005, 05:18:13 pm
I used to live in Thousand Oaks.  You can drive to Redlands for a night game and still be back around midnight if
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 09, 2005, 05:19:43 pm
Grey Fox writes:  "It is too bad that schools like L&C and Mac have such an elitest attitude about academics vs "jocks" and other real people."

It is most certainly not academics vs. jocks and other real people.  It is most decidedly at Oxy, as well as at Claremont, Pomona, and I presume the other schools you mention . . . a matter of academics.  No top academic college wants to admit kids who will not succeed.  It seems to me that would be a horrendous breach of trust by the institution to the kid.  Take the tuition money, get a couple of years of good play, then flunk him out?  

This is d3 . . . home of the true student athlete.  And among the d3 colleges, there is a wide variance in the academic rigor for entry and for graduation.  Could Oxy field a better team more consistently if the qualifications for admissions were lessened for football players?  Sure . . . but that is not the priority of the college, nor should it be.  I love football (almost as much as rugby) . . . I love to see a winning program . . . but I don't want to see Oxy, or any other school, bend its rules or sacrifice quality of its overall academics for the sake of winning a few games.  Oxy, Claremont and Pomona are good homes for the right students, just as Caltech is a good home for its students and Redlands, Whittier and LaVerne are good homes for theirs.

my 2 cents
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChiTownOxyMoron on November 09, 2005, 05:21:02 pm
Shoot, it's been a while since I posted. Just got back from So. Cal. where I got to watch the Oxy-La Verne game. It sucks not having access to internet.

That was a fun game to watch. La Verne came out ready to play, and it took Oxy a little to really get going. La Verne's offense dominated the first quarter, and Oxy's offense was a little out of sinc. In the second half, Oxy dominated on both sides of the ball. If Oxy plays like they did in the first half in the playoffs, they won't make it out of the 1st round, but if they play like they did in the second half, they could give Linfield a run for their money. The hope for Oxy fans is that Collins is on target from the start 'cause he has the recievers to put up points on anybody.

Oxy's D has been a little suspect at times, but they are very good at making adjustments. If teams score on them, they better get it in early.

I attended a homecoming event at Oxy last Friday where I got the opportunity to talk to both Jim Mora and Jack Kemp. It was a really fun experience, and both gave short keynote-like talks at the event. Mora and Kemp were roommates in their time at Oxy, and it showed when they were speaking. They poked fun at each other throughout their talks. It was a really inspiring dynamic to behold. Seeing two big names like that verbally jabbing one another like they did is something I'll take with me through the rest of my life.

On a side note, Mora and Kemp were both P.E. majors, which shows how far the SCIAC has come academically over the years. Just think, you can be a P.E. major and become an NFL head coach or a candidate for Vice President of the United States.

God I love this country!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 09, 2005, 05:24:59 pm
There is rumor going around that they are trying to remove CLU from the SCIAC anyone of you knowledgeable gentleman heard anything about that? I heard it is because they are so far north.


I would be shocked if that was the case.  I'm sure CLU's location was considered when it joined the conference in the early 1990's.  

Additionally, by most conference's standards CLU is not that far - 70 miles from the core schools (PP & CMS essentially share a campus while ULV is only 2 miles away)  Whittier's about the same distance in a slightly different direction and Oxy is about 40 miles from CLU.  The only real lengthy trip in the conference is CLU-Redlands, which is only about 120 miles but can take forever if you get stuck in traffic.

I am sure CLU will be in the SCIAC for many years to come.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: apgonzo on November 09, 2005, 05:29:51 pm
I'll take it as just a rumor.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 09, 2005, 05:50:05 pm
SabreTooth,

I wasn't knocking academics.  I was promoting well rounded STUDENTS. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: apgonzo on November 09, 2005, 06:07:32 pm
It's good and bad that there no scholarships in d3 but after being around high school football for a while, I can't say I have ever seen high school players going to night school or J C's to qualify to get into a d3, but they sure do that to that for the the big schools even if they can't get a scholarship. Sure it would have been fun for my sons but I think after the games are over you still need that sheepskin, .....for every Pro there are thousands of "almosts"
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d-train on November 09, 2005, 06:28:38 pm
CLU is within striking distance in the latest regional rankings. Gotta watch the other Pool C folks. To increase your chances win big, then hope for losses by RPI, St. John Fisher, DePauw, and Capital.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: apgonzo on November 09, 2005, 06:46:04 pm
CLU is within striking distance in the latest regional rankings. Gotta watch the other Pool C folks. To increase your chances win big, then hope for losses by RPI, St. John Fisher, DePauw, and Capital.
You think all those teams have to lose in order for CLU to get in?

If thats the case good thing we've got alot of catholics on the team cause thats a whole bunch of candles that need lighting and rosary's being said.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 09, 2005, 08:09:15 pm
APGONZO- I would say that would be one of the most unbelievably stupid reasons for dropping CLU out of the SCIAC. (I am not calling you wrong here :)).  CLU is only about an hour away from OXY, which I think is the closest school to Thousand Oaks.  If that really is the reason, I don't believe it.  The farthest trip for any SCIAC team to Thousand Oaks is Redlands, and that is only a little over 2 hours.  I think you heard exactly what it is....a rumor.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d-train on November 09, 2005, 11:21:31 pm
CLU is within striking distance in the latest regional rankings. Gotta watch the other Pool C folks. To increase your chances win big, then hope for losses by RPI, St. John Fisher, DePauw, and Capital.
You think all those teams have to lose in order for CLU to get in?

I'm not really sure....I think at least one or two of the first three listed need to fall. But hey, two are going up against undefeated teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 10, 2005, 01:27:32 am
Affleck peaked in Dazed and Confused, as my L-I-V-I-N homey will concur.

Does anyone know of a place that, after 10P after a game, one can get beers, FOOD and watch the Hawaii or other late night Pac-10 game.  Crown City has #1 and 3 but stop serving at 10.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 10, 2005, 01:49:47 am
Maybe Moose McGillicuddy's on Colorado Blvd in Pasadena.  You might have a hard time getting inside and finding a seat on a Saturday night though. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 10, 2005, 01:53:43 am
It's nice to see that the game story was finally posted on Oxy's site on Tuesday.  I guess timeliness doesn't mean much....I mean it isn't like it was the homecoming game or that it meant a whole lot. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: apgonzo on November 10, 2005, 10:27:46 am
Affleck peaked in Dazed and Confused, as my L-I-V-I-N homey will concur.

Does anyone know of a place that, after 10P after a game, one can get beers, FOOD and watch the Hawaii or other late night Pac-10 game.  Crown City has #1 and 3 but stop serving at 10.
Tiger try the Hilton/Red Lion in Glendale of of Brand and Glen Oaks.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 10, 2005, 10:29:34 am
Tigersports---- There are a ton of places around the Rock that you can get beer and food after 10pm. Here's a list of suggestions that you can use.
 
Pasadena has Q's on Colorado. Although, it does get full they always have about 20 T.V.s showing games and highlights. You can ask any workers there if they can change the channels to any game and they'll be happy to. Plus, around Ten there's ton's of drunk girls coming in. You might even spot celeberties like Eric Gagne of the Dodgers, or some movie star.

Mooses stinks so if you want to go there go ahead. The yard house up the street is also a good place. Hooters across the street, well you know why people love hooters, they stop serving until 1:30am. Mcmurphy's also is fine.
And last Burbank has the burbank bar and grill and like Q's, it tends to have a go source of t.v.s with games and drunken girls.

Have fun at the games this weekend

Go luck to the tigers and the rest of the teams
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 10, 2005, 10:51:08 am
TigerSports,

You could try Barney's on the north side of Colorado just west of Delacey . . . but call to be sure that they don't have entertainment going.  The Yardhouse at the Paseo could work too, but it gets pretty packed.

EAT'EM UP TIGERS
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 10, 2005, 10:52:31 am
I would listen to these guys about where to go.  I haven't been here long and as a poor lowly graduate student my sports bar budget is pretty limited.  Most of what I hear has been word of mouth.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 10, 2005, 11:40:08 am
Rockcat,

What are you studying for graduate school? I assume you're a student at Oxy.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 10, 2005, 11:50:23 am
It's nice to see that the game story was finally posted on Oxy's site on Tuesday.  I guess timeliness doesn't mean much....I mean it isn't like it was the homecoming game or that it meant a whole lot. ;)

I know that this is something of a shameless plug for Cal Lu - but I really hope the new Cal Lu sports website (www.clusports.com) pushes other conference members to step it up.  Scott Flanders and the Sports Information folks at Cal Lu have done great things to raise the bar in recent years.  I've got to think that it would help the national image of the SCIAC if more of its members provided more timely, in-depth information.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 10, 2005, 12:22:19 pm
Browneagle64...thank-you for your tips on the study halls.

Perhaps you could arrange for Q to show the Stagg Bowl this December?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on November 10, 2005, 12:27:37 pm
In case any of you guys missed it, there is a great article in yesterday's LA Times on Oxy...
http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/football/la-sp-oxy9nov09,1,7758922.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-coll_footb

One interesting point from the article, Oxy has as many SCIAC titles in their history as Maynard does in his tenure.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on November 10, 2005, 12:29:49 pm
Sorry guys, you have to register.  It takes a couple minutes.  The article is just too big to copy and paste.
 What has to happen for the SCIAC to get two bids on Sunday?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 10, 2005, 12:36:47 pm
Bulldog,

You might want to go back and catch up some. The article was posted yesterday and there has been some good discussion about the playoffs already. Cal Lu has a chance but they need some teams to lose.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 10, 2005, 12:37:51 pm
Classic contrast to the Oxy article is this morning's article on USC's legal defense team:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/usc/la-sp-usclegal10nov10,1,856889.story?coll=la-headlines-sports

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: plulute2clu on November 10, 2005, 01:38:07 pm
Scandi...

You're absolutely correct about CLU's new athletics website.  SID Flanders and the web developmetn team (Barkhuff and Hagen) deserve a lot of credit for putting this thing together.  It is up to date, accurate, and has a lot of nice photos.  I too agree that if more schools in the SCIAC would make more of an effort, others around the country could find out more about the great things happening on the west coast!

Fortunately, the SCIAC site was somewhat recently updated as well.  It is much improved, but still could use a little work. 

Others,

If you haven't checked out these sites do it.  They're solid!

http://www.clusports.com
http://www.thesciac.org

PLULute2CLU
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on November 10, 2005, 01:49:22 pm
To say the SCIAC website is solid is pushing it -

if you go into football, on the page for the overview, it says:

Upon commencement of the 2004-05 competitive season, content will begin to be posted regarding this sport.

That was last year!!!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on November 10, 2005, 01:57:53 pm
As far as registering to get the article, I found a site called www.bugmenot.com  (http://www.bugmenot.com) and you type in the website that you need to register for and they give you a password from somebody that has already registered!  It's pretty sweet and works for most major sites!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 10, 2005, 02:03:48 pm
Cal Lu's new website is very well done. Redlands website is pretty solid as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: plulute2clu on November 10, 2005, 02:06:00 pm
rbaikie-

True...True...

I just meant compared to the old site, the new SCIAC site is better.  I should have use a less strong term, like okay or decent.  At least the stats, standings, and schedules are updated.  As for stories, it looks like it depends entirely on SIDs submissions.

PLULute2CLU
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 10, 2005, 02:06:48 pm
rbaikie-

There are some dead links on the frontpage, but the quality of info is improving.

go to:

http://www.thesciac.org/stats/stats-football/confsked.htm#conf.std
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on November 10, 2005, 02:53:09 pm
Scandihoovian-

It is getting better -

 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 10, 2005, 03:37:10 pm
DensLa----That can be arranged. I did that last year to watch it briefly but ended up with the drunk girls. But if any of you guys are around Pasadena, my Old high school football coach is the half owner of the place and can really hook it up when there are big events and games around Q's. Just let me know.

When Oxy plays Linfield at the Stagg bowl, lets all throw a party there

Go tigers 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 10, 2005, 04:23:54 pm

When Oxy plays Linfield at the Stagg bowl, lets all throw a party there

 
Eagle,
To which region will they send Oxy? :P
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 10, 2005, 04:25:36 pm
Sorry browneagle - they won't meet in the Stagg Bowl - neither of them is getting shipped out of the West Region.

Now if you could hook up a closed circuit viewing of a Wildcat - Tiger regional final that would be sweet  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 10, 2005, 06:17:38 pm
How about the selection show?  I don't get stupid ESPN2 >:(
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 10, 2005, 10:20:28 pm
Guys, thanks for the suggestions.  Much appreciated.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on November 10, 2005, 11:00:20 pm
Well all that stands in OXY's way for an outright SCIAC title is CMS.....I think the tigers will be up for this game because sharing a title with CAL WHO would be like sharing your girlfriend with your younger brother....OXY slapped CAL WHO around like RFB slaps his willy and the Tigers know that they are the true SCIAC champs... I anticipate the offense to throw up big numbers in the running game and collins to throw for at least 200. I think the Defense will come into the game with some momentum off the second half of the La Verne game where they dominated the leopards. Shout out to the Tiger D and thats why OXy wins 48 - 10 .... (3 points for CMS first half....then 7 once the starters are out) ! Don't let me down Tiger D !
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 11, 2005, 01:11:55 am
Wow, spoken like a true genious ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 11, 2005, 01:12:31 am
Oh yeah, when is the selection show going to be on TV?  Or is it?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2005, 02:53:05 am
There's a story on the front page regarding the selection show.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 11, 2005, 10:19:55 am
Thanks Pat.  I guess it helps to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page when looking for things
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2005, 10:25:20 am
Thanks Pat.  I guess it helps to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page when looking for things

Or don't skip a day. It's a busy time of year. :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 11, 2005, 11:04:34 am
That's quite the karma you've got there Liger.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 11, 2005, 12:29:39 pm
I thought mentioning another poster "Slapping his willy" would increase your karma by a lot.  Damn I have a lot to learn on this board...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChiTownOxyMoron on November 11, 2005, 08:40:34 pm
Let's hope both Cal Lu and Oxy win big this week to increase chances of getting into the playoffs and a better seed, respectively. If both teams get in and do well, that could solidify the SCIAC as a conference on the rise.

Go OXY! and although this hurts being the Oxy fan that I am, Go Cal Lu!

Hell, Go SCIAC!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: plulute2clu on November 11, 2005, 10:41:47 pm
Go OXY! and although this hurts being the Oxy fan that I am, Go Cal Lu!

Hell, Go SCIAC!

ChiMoron...

That's the spirit!  At this point we know that Oxy is in.  Why not pull for the rest of the SCIAC bunch to get a chance too!  The SCIAC is on the way.  We need as many teams as possible to have the cahnce to show others around the country that we can, in fact, play this game!

PLULute2CLU
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 12, 2005, 01:18:27 pm
Good luck to CLU today.  Fight for your playoff life!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Foss on November 12, 2005, 04:22:34 pm
UW-Oshkosh is losing 33-18 to UW-La Crosse with 7 minutes to go.

Oshkosh is Cal Lutheran's only real competition for another West team squeezing in (not including a Texas team being moved West), so this is good news for Cal Lutheran if they win today. They will be the top West bubble team. Looks like it will all depend on whether there is another Pool C team(s) elsewhere in the country getting in ahead of them or not.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 12, 2005, 05:59:10 pm
Any updates from Claremont?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: apgonzo on November 12, 2005, 06:01:38 pm
Its over at Chapman 45 - 20 CLU is up, about 8:00 to go they have the second team in
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 12, 2005, 07:12:32 pm
Anyone got a cell phone out to Claremont?
A shame the 5th ranked team plays in China with no broadcast or updates for the rest of the world.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: plulute2clu on November 12, 2005, 08:57:14 pm
Impressive game for the CLU Kingsmen down at Chapman...59-20.  In listening to the game it sounded like CLU finished the game by letting the clock run out inside the Chapman 10 yd line with about 20 seconds to go.  Probably could have pushed it in, but a classy move nonetheless by Coach Squires. 

Now we wait and see.  It will be tough for the Guys to make it, unless as Pat suggested in his most recent projections that they ship UW-whoever to a North bracket. 

As I see it right now, the following teams are the West region teams...

Linfield (B) (regardless of win or loss tonight)
St. Johns (A)
UW-Whitewater (A)
Oxy (A)
Coe (A)
Monmouth (A)
Central (C)
Concordia-Moorhead (C)

then the others...
-Cal Lutheran
-Willamette (if they can beat Linfield, they probably deserve a berth despite their crappy record)
-St. Norbert (I think it would kill the NCAA to put a 2nd team from this weak conference, so i don't think it will happen)
-St. Olaf (sorry Oles but good year)
-Whitworth, Wartburg, and Oshkosh don't have a chance

My take is that it looks good for CLU if you just look at the West (assuming that UW or Monmouth gets shipped to the North).  Unfortunately, my understanding is that the committee looks at the entire national picture to pick the 32 teams, not just the best 8 in each region.

Frankly I would love to head up to Linfield to see a CLU game next weekend!

Hopeful!

PLULute2CLU
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on November 12, 2005, 09:08:08 pm
Oxy - 47
Claremont - 16

FINAL
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 13, 2005, 12:25:32 am
Well - it's been awfully satisfying to see the Kingsmen have their best season in many years, and hopefully there's still some football left to be played.  It looks like, based on the piece on the front page, that many of Cal Lu's competitors for a pool C bid suffered second losses today.  I guess we'll know for sure in a little more than 12 hours, and I might now be to the point where I'd be disappointed if the Kingsmen didn't get a berth.  They may well get shipped north to play the Leviathan in McMinnville, but it's an opportunity I think they've earned.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 13, 2005, 12:31:24 am
scand,  

It's a tough call, but i hope you do, the cats were in the same boat a few years back and missed the dance.  So we know how you feel.. And i think their is a west coat thing hidding  out there ?  Check out where the voting members are this year? Just my opinon.. no calls or letters please..  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 13, 2005, 12:35:13 am
I hear you desertcat - and I've heard all sorts of rumors about where the west region voting members are from this year.  Here's hoping for a Linfield-CLU playoff matchup, the first two were doozies - and I've been waiting 25 years for a third  :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 13, 2005, 12:38:28 am
scand,

good luck and get some sleep it will be news tomorrow ..
It was only 80* +  here today . no sun screen needed.  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 13, 2005, 12:57:19 am
The season is over!
Redlands 36  PPitz 14
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2005, 01:00:35 am
I've heard all sorts of rumors about where the west region voting members are from this year.

From the championship handbook:

West Evaluation Region
Bob Berezowitz, University of Wisconsin, Whitewater, cochair
Al Dorenkamp, Central College (Iowa), cochair
Rick Candaele, Claremont McKenna-Harvey Mudd-Scripps Colleges
Steve Johnson, Bethel College
Eric Raeburn, Coe College
Larry Terry, University of Wisconsin, Lacrosse
John Tully, Whitworth College
Greg Wallace, Grinnell College
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 13, 2005, 01:01:36 am
Congratulations to Cal Lu for handling business. Cal Lu should get into the playoffs. If your lone loss is to a top ten DIII football team, then my opinion is that team should get a chance to play. If not, then that poll has no weight.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 13, 2005, 01:46:57 am
Hey Dawgs, way to finish the season strong. Remember who really owns this conference and come big next season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: plulute2clu on November 13, 2005, 03:07:47 am
I've heard all sorts of rumors about where the west region voting members are from this year.

From the championship handbook:

West Evaluation Region
Bob Berezowitz, University of Wisconsin, Whitewater, cochair
Al Dorenkamp, Central College (Iowa), cochair
Rick Candaele, Claremont McKenna-Harvey Mudd-Scripps Colleges
Steve Johnson, Bethel College
Eric Raeburn, Coe College
Larry Terry, University of Wisconsin, Lacrosse
John Tully, Whitworth College
Greg Wallace, Grinnell College


That's the group?  No wonder we even have to bring this up.  3 IIAC folk?  and 2 WIAC?  Something's wrong here!  Go Cal Lu!

Nice work Scandi!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: plulute2clu on November 13, 2005, 03:16:18 am
Congratulations to Cal Lu for handling business. Cal Lu should get into the playoffs. If your lone loss is to a top ten DIII football team, then my opinion is that team should get a chance to play. If not, then that poll has no weight.



RFB,

Not to be a jerk, but that poll (whichever one you are talking about) does have no weight.  The d3football.com, afca and harris polls are just fun things for us to argue about.  The only rankings that really matter are the NCAA Regional Rankings, and still their impact is limited.

Needless to say, I think that only one loss, to an undefeated team that has qualified for the playoffs, should not exclude CLu from the dance.  Granted it was a lopsided game.  It was also the Kingsmen's second game of the season.

I would really like to travel to Mac for a game against Linfield next week.  But at the same time, I wouldn't mind the NCAA bucking their recent trend and throwing CLU down to Eagle Rock for a rematch against Oxy.  It would be an entirely different game!

See you all tomorrow!  Kingsmen!  Rah!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 13, 2005, 03:35:59 am
You think they'd send Cal Lu down to Eagle Rock?  Regardless, we should all pull for two SCIAC teams to make it.  We'll see whether it happens!

GO TIGERS!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChiTownOxyMoron on November 13, 2005, 10:41:24 am
Well, Cal Lu did what they had to do to be considered for the playoffs. A big win like that may help. Good job coming through in the clutch.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 13, 2005, 11:17:11 am
Pat,
If you read this, I tried reading your predictions over again, but maybe I just don't get it.  You have Oxy in the South...playing against who?  Sorry for my ineptness.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 13, 2005, 11:34:31 am
He's in the make-up room at the ESPN studios in New York City...probably.
I agree w/ O Bob. I get the feeling on a quick read that you will get the 2004 runner-up in your crib.
I could not go back far enough to get the regional rankings.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 13, 2005, 11:37:02 am
Thanks guys.  That would be a tough game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AnotherJohnnie on November 13, 2005, 11:41:49 am
I could not go back far enough to get the regional rankings.

Here you go:

East Region
1. Delaware Valley 9-0 9-0
2. Union 7-0 9-0
3. Ithaca 8-1 8-1
4. Rowan 5-1 7-1
5. Hobart 5-1 7-1
6. RPI 7-1 7-1
7. St. John Fisher 8-1 8-1
8. Alfred 6-1 7-2
9. Cortland State 6-2 6-2
10. Wilkes 7-2 7-2

North Region
1. Wabash 8-0 9-0
2. Mount Union 7-1 8-1
3. Augustana 7-1 8-1
4. North Central 6-1 8-1
5. Capital 7-2 7-2
6. Mount St. Joseph 8-1 8-1
7. John Carroll 7-2 7-2
8. Wheaton 6-2 7-2
9. Ohio Northern 6-2 7-2
10. Lakeland 7-2 8-2

South Region
1. Trinity (Texas) 7-0 8-0
2. Ferrum 9-0 9-0
3. Thiel 9-0 9-0
4. Mary Hardin-Baylor 6-1 7-1
5. Wesley 6-0 9-1
6. Bridgewater (Va.) 6-1 7-1
7. Washington and Jefferson 7-1 9-1
8. Hardin-Simmons 7-1 8-1
9. DePauw 6-1 7-1
10. Hampden-Sydney 7-2 7-2

West Region
1. Linfield 5-0 7-0
2. UW-Whitewater 8-0 9-0
3. St. John's 8-0 9-0
4. Occidental 8-0 8-0
5. Concordia-Moorhead 7-1 8-1
6. Coe 7-1 8-1
7. Monmouth 9-0 10-0
8. Central 8-1 8-1
9. Cal Lutheran 7-1 7-1
10. UW-Oshkosh 5-2 7-2
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 13, 2005, 12:28:06 pm
The South #3 vs. West #4 would mean Thiel vs. Oxy, no?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 13, 2005, 12:42:46 pm
OK - this is a little off topic and I'll admit I'm trying to kill time until 10:00, but I wanted to mention that this week's Sports Illustrated has a great piece on D3 and one of the featured athletes is the men's soccer goalie from Redlands.  I'll check the SI website to see if it's linked.  Regardless, nice national pub for one of our own.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on November 13, 2005, 01:15:39 pm
Linfield vs. Occidental, first round.  Great work, NCAA selection committee.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 13, 2005, 01:18:29 pm
See Ya!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 13, 2005, 01:22:01 pm
Oxy will be one and done. This is where actually scheduling someone helps you.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on November 13, 2005, 01:22:47 pm
Yeah, we assumed Redlands would be good this season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 13, 2005, 01:28:51 pm
Yeah, who gets the last laugh now? Oxy players can tell their families they will be home for Thanksgiving just like Redlands.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 13, 2005, 01:32:56 pm
Well, Pat talked about strength of schedule hurting CLU, and I'm sure that was something of a factor.

BUT

You cannot tell me that $$$ were not a bigger factor at this point.  Not when throwing the Kingsmen into the mix would have meant an extra flight.  The proof's in the pudding, in no other sport would you see the #1 and #5 teams in the country set to play each other in the first round.  It's unfair to both Oxy and Linfield after the great seasons they have had.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: plulute2clu on November 13, 2005, 01:38:33 pm
Well, CLU...the winning streak lives on!  It was a great year!  I enjoyed being there!

As the Linfield boys have been saying for years, we just have to leave no doubt!  True, but it still sucks that we didn't get the chance.  Particularly with the highest in region winning percentage of all Pool C teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 13, 2005, 01:39:39 pm
RFB,
I'm sure our kids will prepare as well as they can and play hard.  Last time I looked at the calendar, we're still playing at least one more week than your Dogs.  So, don't hate too much. 
Not sure who we could have had on our schedule to prepare for Linfield. 

It would have been nice to host, but...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 13, 2005, 01:48:24 pm
An additional thought.  The games our conference needs in order to show strength in the region are against the IIAC and MIAC, not more competition up and down the coast.  The midwesterners can keep thinking that they've got a better brand of ball until they're forced to face reality. Like Concordia-Oxy 2004.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wildcat'64 on November 13, 2005, 01:51:56 pm
OXY Fan 21,
I feel for our SCIAC brethern and I think you all got screwed in the process.  Cal Lutheran should have gotten in compared to a two loss team in the East and OXY deserved a home game in the first round after your great season and high rankings.

Oh well, there's nothing we can do about it now but just play the hand we have been dealt.

I just don't think the West Coast is receiving a fair shake in the process.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 13, 2005, 01:52:04 pm
Is Ric Fukashima back to playing?
Will he play the 19th?
Oh! not giving up inside information, eh?
I'd like to see the best game possible.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Foss on November 13, 2005, 01:53:12 pm
Well SCIAC, maybe Cal Lutheran didn't deserve to make it into the West. But when I see the piles of rubbish that made it into other regions, I think they were one of the top 32 teams. Bad break there.

So much for seeing different teams play each year. Oxy is a top 6 team and they have to travel to the defending national champs? Uh......okay. I guess we should just get used to playing each other every season in order to save the NCAA money, regardless of who is undefeated, ranked high, conference champ, etc.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 13, 2005, 01:55:08 pm
Oxyfan,

Just a little playful ribbing. Oxy did get screwed but they now get to see what Redlands had to face when they made the playoffs. This exact scenario has happened in their four playoff apperances(90,92,02,03). It is tough to have to play the best team in the West and country on the road.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 13, 2005, 01:59:49 pm
This selection is:

a) Just one big pile of cr*p
b) The result of a stacked playoff committee
c)  Clear evidence that the committe is not concerned ONE BIT with competitive fairness
d) Just one big pile of Cr*p
e) A complete unawareness of the abundance of cheap flights from any Midwest cornfield to LAX
f) A travesty
g) Just one big pile of cr*p
h)  All of the Above -- and then some

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 13, 2005, 02:02:21 pm
I hear you, but I would have loved to see a fair shake.  I may be wrong, but I don't believe the Redlands teams you're talking about were ranked #5/#6 in the country, right?

I just don't think a flight from lets say...Texas (with Southwest Airlines, America West, etc) could be all that expensive for the wallet...

Undefeated this year, no losses since Game 1 of last year...two wins in the playoffs last year, one on the road in North Dakota...and we get Linfield this year...

Not making excuses, just having a hard time justifying it.  I was on the AA.com website ready to book into LAX.  Oh well.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 13, 2005, 02:05:37 pm
They must think that LAX isn't that big of an airport.  And that LAX doesn't have any flights from the Midwest or East Coast at all even though Oxy is probably located in the largest urban city in all of D3....Oh, and maybe they forgot Ontario airport...or Burbank, 10 minutes from the Oxy campus. 

Oh, there were no options other than making the #5/#6 team in the country play on the road...right.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on November 13, 2005, 02:06:12 pm
Oxyfan,

Just a little playful ribbing. Oxy did get screwed but they now get to see what Redlands had to face when they made the playoffs. This exact scenario has happened in their four playoff apperances(90,92,02,03). It is tough to have to play the best team in the West and country on the road.

Exactly.  The selection committee has no respect for the west coast, and even less respect for California teams.  Redlands got the short end of the stick in past seasons, and Oxy (and Linfield) got the short end of the stick this season.  From their perspective, imagine their surprise after winning the Stagg Bowl, going start to finish as #1, and playing the #5/6 team in the first round.  The committee who made these pairings is a joke.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 13, 2005, 02:06:29 pm
No they were not ranked like Oxy. But nontheless they get to experience the same uphill battle that Redlands did.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 13, 2005, 02:08:29 pm
XFactor,
Good point.  I have not yet stopped to think of it from Linfield's perspective.  I'm sure they are confident as they have blown away all competition this year and last...but, good point.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 13, 2005, 02:15:13 pm
I'm sorry, I'm so disappointed I can hardly see straight.  You tellin' me that the NCAA pulls in a billion bucks from the Mens' hoops tourney, but they can't spare the extra bucks to fly a team out here and make it a little fairer?

Also, I assume that Coe is flying the 500 miles or so to Fargo.  Fyi, a flight from Cedar Rapids to Fargo is $950 on expedia, while a flight from CR to LAX is 583.  (I know they probably get different rates, but this is just for comparison).  The flight to Portland from LAX is 380.  The Fargo to Portland flight costs about as much as the CR-Fargo flight.  Bottom line is that the NCAA decided that $200 bucks per player and coach (12 grand or so) was too much to spend to balance the region competitively.  

Again, what a travesty.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 13, 2005, 02:19:59 pm
TigerSports,
I feel like throwing up.  I have turned off all TV's in the house and am sitting here in disbelief.  What a bunch of bs.

We can scream on here all we want, but I know Coach Widolff won't let them feel sorry for themselves. 

For me, I was just looking forward to coming out to LA next weekend and visiting with you all and getting some asada Leo's.

 

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AnotherJohnnie on November 13, 2005, 02:30:43 pm
Also, I assume that Coe is flying the 500 miles or so to Fargo.  

No, that is a bus trip for sure, by 10 miles, otherwise they would not have done that.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 13, 2005, 03:17:06 pm
No sense in complaining about it.  The Tigers gave Linfield the best game in the playoffs last year didn't they?  (Cat fans feel free to comment).  And the game will be decided next Saturday on the field.  On any given Saturday . . .

GO OXY TIGERS!!

IO TRIUMPHE!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on November 13, 2005, 03:18:03 pm
No sense in complaining about it.  The Tigers gave Linfield the best game in the playoffs last year didn't they?  (Cat fans feel free to comment).  And the game will be decided next Saturday on the field.  On any given Saturday . . .

GO OXY TIGERS!!

IO TRIUMPHE!

2nd best.  But Oxy will come ready to play.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on November 13, 2005, 03:47:35 pm
>>We can scream on here all we want, but I know Coach Widolff won't let them feel sorry for themselves.<<

I don't see what the big deal is all about. The Tigers are 9-0, and they are No. 14 in total offense and No. 13 in scoring. Individually Andy Collins is 11th in passing efficiency and 11th in total offense, and Josh Jones is 12th in receptions per game. Linfield is a mighty opponent, but I'm sure Oxy will be up to the challenge, just like they were last year.

As for the guy from West Yucapia State University who's taking shots at the Tigers, Oxy is 19-2 the past two years while his team is a rancid 8-9. Let him wallow in his bitterness and memories of long past football glory.

Io Triumphe!
Eat 'em up, Tigers!

OxyBob

Oxy will hold their own.  As I've said before, Linfield should be pissed too.  I was planning on driving 4.5 hours to LA to catch the first round Oxy game, but flying to Portland for Linfield is out of the budget.  I wish I could be there to root on the Tigers in Round #1!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 13, 2005, 04:43:32 pm
>>Classic contrast to the Oxy article is this morning's article on USC's legal defense team<<

Oxy has high academic standards and boasts many honor students.

USC also has honor students: "Yes, Your Honor. No, Your Honor. I won't do that again, Your Honor."

OxyBob

Congratulations OxyBob,
I just got back to Texas from my high school reunion in Burbank.

The above exact letter was published in the LA Times on Saturday.  Having a sports letter published is even more rare than an article on D3 sports.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DutchFan2004 on November 13, 2005, 04:46:03 pm
Tigetsports,


Coe isn't flying.  They get a bus ride.  It's not 500 miles to Concordia. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChiTownOxyMoron on November 13, 2005, 06:01:42 pm
As Linfield was Oxy's final game last year and the Wildcats are running essentially the same schemes, it'll be interesting to see what kind of adjustments Oxy can make for Saturday's game. I'm of the oninion that the Tigers gameplan well, so it might get interesting. And keep in mind that Oxy came out on fire in the game against Linfield last year, so they may have a legitimate chance at the upset.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 13, 2005, 06:39:07 pm
"Coe isn't flying.  They get a bus ride.  It's not 500 miles to Concordia. "

Then Yahoo maps is wrong.  http://maps.yahoo.com/dd_result?newaddr=&taddr=&csz=cedar+rapids%2C+ia&country=us&tcsz=moorhead%2C+mn&tcountry=us&terr=3005
 

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 13, 2005, 06:41:36 pm
I think you have to come after them on every play.  If you give Elliott time, he'll pick you apart every time.  If you blitz and he avoids the rush, it's a td, but if you don't, it's just a slower TD.  I think, that way, you can get perhaps enough stops.  No coach likes to play such a risk/reward strategy, but, in my mind, it's the only way you have a chance.  Elliott will be in someone's camp in North America next year; hell, he may even get drafted.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: johnnie_esq on November 13, 2005, 06:47:36 pm
tigersports- the NCAA uses a Microsoft Streets product to compute milage.  Indeed, if you go to the MSN travel planner page and select "shortest route", they'll find you a route from Coe to Concordia in approximately 489 miles. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 13, 2005, 06:51:25 pm
oh, so I was off by 15 miles.  my bad.  Is 500 miles a magic marker?  Is the choice of route or computer program the reason that Oxy has to play the #1 team and defending champ?!?!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on November 13, 2005, 07:09:03 pm
Well as for yesterday's game my prediction was right on.....Josh Jones deserves to be D III player of the week with his 5 touchdown receptions, that has to be some kind of record ( also 199 tds receiving ). Collins had another great game and the defense regrouped and played well after letting CMS get a few easy scores.

The Bracket. Well, I think it is a load of horse**** that the number 6 team in the country has to play the number 1 team in the first round. I am so sick of hearing about the closeness of opponent argument. If it is too costly for the NCAA to pay for plane tickets let the school pay for it. It is tiresome to see bottom of the bracket teams play each other in the first round.

No matter though, I know for a fact that a rematch with Linfield in their house has been on the Tigers mind for the past year and I anticipate a more mature and more experienced OXY team than last year to show up and play the game of their lives. Which offense is better OXY with 485 yds a game and averaging just over 41 pts a game or Linfield 472 yds a game and averaging 49 points per game? Collins or Elliot? well I think that  this will be a shootout to remember, and YES I think that Collins and the OXY offense are better. My prediction for the game....I know its early but I have been waiting for this all year.....OXY 49 LINFILED 48.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 13, 2005, 07:16:26 pm
Liger,
I hope you are right.  Perhaps we can teach the NCAA how to use internet flight search options.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: back2back on November 13, 2005, 07:37:52 pm
As Linfield was Oxy's final game last year and the Wildcats are running essentially the same schemes, it'll be interesting to see what kind of adjustments Oxy can make for Saturday's game. I'm of the oninion that the Tigers gameplan well, so it might get interesting. And keep in mind that Oxy came out on fire in the game against Linfield last year, so they may have a legitimate chance at the upset.

Well, we'll see, won't we? ::)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: johnnie_esq on November 13, 2005, 07:56:54 pm
oh, so I was off by 15 miles.  my bad.  Is 500 miles a magic marker?  Is the choice of route or computer program the reason that Oxy has to play the #1 team and defending champ?!?!

500 miles is the line in the sand the NC$$ uses to determine between bus trip and plane trip.  So those 15 miles are huge, even though I will bet the Coe team actually drives the longer route to get to Moorhead faster.  It's stupid-- I'm with you, given that half of Wisconsin and Illinois is North region, and half is West region. 

In essence, the reason is because of the NC$$ wanting to fly as few teams as possible.  One of the big draws for NC$$ over the NAIA is that the NC$$ will pay for flights; since the NC$$ is bursting at the seams as far as number of schools playing D3 football, we're pretty much at their mercy, since the alternative is NAIA.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kilted Rat on November 13, 2005, 08:02:59 pm
In case anyone wants a word document printable bracket, here's one I threw together today complete with records of all competing teams.

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Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wildcat'64 on November 13, 2005, 08:03:25 pm
LigerLover......So you think the final score is going to be 49-48 in favor of OXY.....I suspect you're going to have a tough time convincing many Cat fans of that fact.....one thing is for certain though -- at the end of the game the Cats will LEAVE NO  DOUBT as to who is the best team on the West coast!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on November 13, 2005, 08:13:33 pm
I really hope the Oxy players and coaches are not crying as much as you guys.  The fact is, if your going to win the west, your going to have to beat the best.  Who cares if it comes rount one, two, or three, but the road to the championship goes through Linfield...deal with it and sack up!!!

It will be a good one!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on November 13, 2005, 08:35:41 pm
Liger,

I'll take the offense that won the Stagg Bowl last year and has piled up their stats vs. teams not named Colorado College and Lewis and Clark.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on November 13, 2005, 09:24:44 pm
Hey Redlands Fan...your an idiot....i hope redlands is resting up and preparing for next week......OH WAIT....Redlands season is over...how bout You cry about that...as for your dumb post... Yeah the road to the championship does go through Linfield and if you read my post I said how pumped up OXY is to play them....However looking at this situation like an normal intelligent fan I know that this is not the most ideal situation. By saving the better teams for later match-ups you get rid of the border teams early this makes for better match ups in the later rounds which makes for better match ups...also the end of the season rankings are more realistic.... Oh and we will see who the best offense is next saturday.

 Redlands fans get off Linfields nuts and cheer for the sciac....you guys are a joke and just because your team never has won a playoff game don't hate on us because we have  taken the only thing you can claim (a sciac title) from you the past 2 years.....we are looking beyond the sciac and to win playoff games not just go and get knocked out in the first round like you guys.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on November 13, 2005, 09:28:26 pm
yeah I posted better match ups twice
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 13, 2005, 09:48:05 pm
I'm glad that MOST of Oxy's fans are classy people.

I had a good time watching Oxy yesterday.  I think I'm going to try to climb up their planes landing gear of their flight north to the Catdome. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 13, 2005, 09:58:44 pm
As Linfield was Oxy's final game last year and the Wildcats are running essentially the same schemes, it'll be interesting to see what kind of adjustments Oxy can make for Saturday's game. I'm of the oninion that the Tigers gameplan well, so it might get interesting. And keep in mind that Oxy came out on fire in the game against Linfield last year, so they may have a legitimate chance at the upset.

If that's what you call on fire bring some more. ;D

I remember the VERY first play for the Cats went something like this   E to C  =  TD..   good luck.. and the t skin is on the catdome wall. ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on November 13, 2005, 10:03:58 pm
Ligerlover,

First of all I back the SCIAC first and formost, but in this day and age of picking games, and voicing opinions I say Linfield will win, and will win big.

Second of all I am not an idiot...I was a better football player than you will ever be...I know more about the game than you do, and I can be unbiased on the game. 

Finally...if any team is crying its Oxy fans.  I want to see one guy come on here and say...."bring on Linfield,"  I have not as of yet.  I bet the players are excited to go up and play..why are you not?  Are you just too poor and can't afford a plane ticket?  I  know that when my Redlands boys go to the playoffs we travel...but maybe thats because the academics at Redlands are superior, and we get better jobs!!!

So whos the idiot now???

PS-  I am sure you will comment on my misspelled words, and punctuation but I am too busy to check everything....you IDIOT!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 13, 2005, 10:05:36 pm
Well as for yesterday's game my prediction was right on.....Josh Jones deserves to be D III player of the week with his 5 touchdown receptions, that has to be some kind of record ( also 199 tds receiving ). Collins had another great game and the defense regrouped and played well after letting CMS get a few easy scores.

The Bracket. Well, I think it is a load of horse**** that the number 6 team in the country has to play the number 1 team in the first round. I am so sick of hearing about the closeness of opponent argument. If it is too costly for the NCAA to pay for plane tickets let the school pay for it. It is tiresome to see bottom of the bracket teams play each other in the first round.

No matter though, I know for a fact that a rematch with Linfield in their house has been on the Tigers mind for the past year and I anticipate a more mature and more experienced OXY team than last year to show up and play the game of their lives. Which offense is better OXY with 485 yds a game and averaging just over 41 pts a game or Linfield 472 yds a game and averaging 49 points per game? Collins or Elliot? well I think that  this will be a shootout to remember, and YES I think that Collins and the OXY offense are better. My prediction for the game....I know its early but I have been waiting for this all year.....OXY 49 LINFILED 48.


can i get some  of that action???  ;D send e-mail please???  :o
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 13, 2005, 10:07:20 pm
In case anyone wants a word document printable bracket, here's one I threw together today complete with records of all competing teams.


Thanks KR  nice job..
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 13, 2005, 10:11:28 pm
Redlands Fan,
C'mon now, no need to stoop to his level.  As for me, yes I am too poor to fly from St. Louis to Portland, but I am trying to get all the funds I can so that maybe it will happen.

As for Redlands being a better academic school than Oxy, I think you may be mistaken on that one. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 13, 2005, 10:13:52 pm
WC11 lives!!

I was worried you had gone on sabbatical or something...

Has anyone else noticed that Liger's posts tend to alternate between the rational and pre-pubescent irrational?

just wondering ???
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 13, 2005, 10:17:52 pm
As Linfield was Oxy's final game last year and the Wildcats are running essentially the same schemes, it'll be interesting to see what kind of adjustments Oxy can make for Saturday's game. I'm of the oninion that the Tigers gameplan well, so it might get interesting. And keep in mind that Oxy came out on fire in the game against Linfield last year, so they may have a legitimate chance at the upset.

No matter though, I know for a fact that a rematch with Linfield in their house has been on the Tigers mind for the past year and I anticipate a more mature and more experienced OXY team than last year to show up and play the game of their lives. Which offense is better OXY with 485 yds a game and averaging just over 41 pts a game or Linfield 472 yds a game and averaging 49 points per game? Collins or Elliot? well I think that  this will be a shootout to remember, and YES I think that Collins and the OXY offense are better. My prediction for the game....I know its early but I have been waiting for this all year.....OXY 49 LINFILED 48.
What both of these people are overlooking is that this is not the same defense OXY saw last year, it is much better!! And head and shoulders above any defense OXY has seen this season!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 13, 2005, 10:20:01 pm
Hey Redlands Fan...your an idiot....

Sorry - couldn't resist.  Proper grammar has added importance when you're posting on a discussion board populated with graduates of some of the best small colleges in the nation.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on November 13, 2005, 10:23:39 pm
I don't think it should matter too much about spelling....I just sit here and type brother....my paycheck says I am a pretty smart dude!

Or maybe its my masters degree hanging on my wall.....

Or maybe its my acceptance letter into Pepperdines doctoral program....

Whatever it is I am legit!  And only 24!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 13, 2005, 10:46:37 pm
Redlandsfan, my post was not in reference to you - hope you noticed that.

Preliminary thoughts on Oxy-Linfield:

Linfield is an amazing team - but they have yet to be tested and I think there's a chance that Oxy can catch them worried about the long haul through the West bracket.  The Tigers have to stay close into the second half - seems like last year they let their lead start slipping before the half and missed a chance to shake Linfield's confidence.

I think there is an advantage in having been there before, and Oxy certainly was last year.  They have to turn that into a confidence builder for themselves.

Oxy needs to travel well, not just the team but its supporters.  If I was an undergrad at Oxy I would be all over a road trip to McMinnville.  It's time for Oxy's student body to step up and act like they give rip.  If Oxy can bring even 300-400 fans they will at least have something other than the sound of their benchwarmers screaming when they score on Linfield's "bend but not break" defense.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on November 13, 2005, 11:01:11 pm
Wow Redlands fan, they really do breed em dumb out there in the sticks.....You think Redlands is better academically than OXY? are you on crack? Maybe it is all that pollution that gets blown out to redlands that messed up your brain. Hey and if you don't think OXY deserves a home playoff game well then you can take your doctoral degree and give yourself a head examination cause you must have brain damage. And trust me the tuition is higher here than at redlands so obviously the money isn't that big of a deal.

Hey wildcat...like I posted earlier OXY and Linfield have similar stats and you guys played some joker teams as well so don't keep bringing up Colorado College...And didn't you promise me a hamburger?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on November 13, 2005, 11:06:02 pm
Oxy Bob,

All I know is the last time I played Oxy I beat them.  Now that I am a proud alumni, I still back my boys...but I personally Own the Tigers!!!  I went out on top..and so did the rest of the dogs that year!!!!

Hows that taste?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on November 13, 2005, 11:09:12 pm
LigerLover,

I bet your going to tell me that OXY's campus is nicer too?  To be honest your campus is a joke...and so is the ghetto neighborhood around your school!

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on November 13, 2005, 11:13:12 pm
we live 5 minutes from pasadena....and dodger stadium....and staples....and the rose bowl....20 from the beach....and on and on and on....The biggest thing going on in redlands on a saturday night is which pig to sleep with. And how many play-off games you win there Redlands fan ? You probably have some big redlands ring that doesn't mean squat, so go look yourself in the mirror and re-evaluate your life you loser.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on November 13, 2005, 11:16:11 pm
Dodger Stadium????  Oh yea, its a beautiful!  You might be 5 minutes from this, and 5 minutes from that...but Eagle Rock is still a crap hole......

Oh yea....and your an idiot
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LigerLover on November 13, 2005, 11:20:28 pm
well I guess Redlands is nicer than eagle rock if you like farm animals.... you are just one happy little camper
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 13, 2005, 11:21:43 pm
Redlandsfan,

Just ignore Liger, no need to get into a pissing contest with him. Both Oxy and Redlands are fine academic institutions, no need to argue this point. Good luck to Oxy this weekend, they will need it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on November 13, 2005, 11:26:09 pm
Your right RFB, I just dont like people who are scared to compete against the big boys...crying because you did not get a home game is really bothering me....

I hope Oxy wins, but when Liger tuns in to listen to the game via his computer I hope the speakers blow out so he can't hear!

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 13, 2005, 11:33:40 pm
Pat, can we get these guys their own room so they can throw GI Joes and Monopoly pieces at each other.  C'mon, guys, I'd expect to see that in a Tennesse/Bama thread but not here.

Oh, and Pat, nice suit today bro.  Good job promoting D-III!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 13, 2005, 11:36:46 pm
To be honest, I don't think Eagle Rock or Redlands is all that nice.  Eagle Rock is improving, but when coming on the campus for games, I don't think that you really get a taste of the entire campus...right? 

Redlands Fan, I'm glad you get a good paycheck and that you have things to hang on the wall... ;)  I think that you will enjoy the Pepperdine campus much more than Redlands or your game night stays in Eagle Rock.  If you think Eagle Rock is the ghetto, you are welcome to visit St. Louis anytime and I'll take you around to some places that would make both Eagle Rock and Redlands seem like the 310 area code, not 323 or 909...

If Oxy is able to stay close until the 3rd quarter, anything can happen.  I would have liked to see a home game as a reward for what we have done the past 2-3 years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 13, 2005, 11:40:53 pm
Does Oxy do their own radio broadcast? If so you might want to let your SID know. He has the Linfield radio station and computer link in the playoff story on the Oxy site. See Here (http://departments.oxy.edu/athletics/football/2005_Archive/Game_Articles/Opening%20Playoffs%20Article.htm)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 13, 2005, 11:42:15 pm
TigerSports actually does the broadcasts on www.oxybroadcast.com

TigerSports, I hope you'll be making the trip? 

The main Oxy website tends to be a little slow...ha.  Well, not really funny.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: EMAN51 on November 14, 2005, 12:01:35 am
You guys are all killing me.  I am an Oxy grad, class of '80.  I was on perhaps the worst Oxy team of all time.  I had the time of my life.  We never smelled the playoffs. I hosted the parking lot kegger when Oxy beat the Johnnies in '85 (I believe that was the year). Now, we make it two years in a row and everyone bitches?  How many teams can say they made it to the playoffs, let alone play the #1 ranked team?  Maybe Oxy loses, maybe they win, but to accomplish so much and get to play this game is something all the fellows on the team can cherish the rest of their lives.  I look forward to the challenge, listening to the game on the internet and know that the team will play their tails off.
These guys will have a blast.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 14, 2005, 12:08:40 am
 To all Oxy fans from the ASC South Region Board,

I know you guys are upset with the seeding? you got today.  Yes, I think you got the shaft today too.  Just remember it is not the first or the last time it has happened or will happen.  It has happened to UMHB four out of the last five years (the only other time we got hosed and did not even make it in).  In fact, as my son's post quotes below, it has become a "tradition".  Maybe you guys can learn from this post below and start a tradition of your own.  As UMHB showed last year by playing five top 10 teams in a row, it is possible to get to the Stagg Bowl anyway.   ;)

"CONGRATS to all my boys playing for the CRU on a well deserved CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP!!!   I couldnt believe the news when roocru told me last night.

If i was still playing, i wouldnt have it any other way but to play Trinity in the first round AT Trinity... it's a tradition now!  I have talked to a few players and they all feel the same way too.   Have a great week of practice boys and lets take that Black Flag from those Tigers again!!!"

Best of luck to all teams in the west and I hope UMHB is fortunate enough to see one of you in the semi-finals !!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2005, 01:53:55 am
Pat, can we get these guys their own room so they can throw GI Joes and Monopoly pieces at each other.  C'mon, guys, I'd expect to see that in a Tennesse/Bama thread but not here.

Oh, and Pat, nice suit today bro.  Good job promoting D-III!

Thanks, man. Sorry the bracket sucks so bad.

By the way, someone on this board reached a dangerous karma level and was eliminated. Liger Lover, you are the weakest link. Goodbye!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on November 14, 2005, 01:57:49 am
Scandi,

I was never too far away!

Looking forward to seeing two fine teams hook up on what looks a nice fall weekend in the NW.  The 'Catdome should be packed (5,000 fans plus) and ready to roll.

I know we'll be talking offense all week long but this game is going to come down to who's defense steps up. 

Linfield's defense has been excellent all year long and I think they'll be the difference in this game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 14, 2005, 02:29:54 am
Well, that post about the game being available on Linfield's internet is, shall we say, a bit of a slight, to say the least.  I was a bit disappointed that they didn't even talk to me before promoting Linfield's broadcast.  We traveled on our own dime to Colorado this year and to McMinnville last year on our own dime and, if we have to, we'll do it again.  We are planning on broadcasting -- just have to work out the details.  Go to www.oxybroadcast.com for more details.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: areyouserious? on November 14, 2005, 04:03:26 am
Redlandsfan,
  this post is only a one time thing because I dont want to get into this big mess....but do you honestly think that redlands is academically superior to occidental????? thinking this is almost as insane as thinking redlands had a legit chance at a SCIAC title.....cmon buddy lets be real. if you go to collegeboard.com you can look at the facts....Redlands accepts 75% of its applicants! so pretty much the only requirement is a high school diploma and a heartbeat.  Your average SAT score isnt even over 1200. shall i continue? only 84% of the people that attend your school had over 3.0 in high school. How do you not get over a 3.0 in high school????? wtf is that..... you were better off attending a junior college. and thats really tight that you go to pepperdine or whatever...all jokes aside thats a great accomplishment...but even a blind squirrel gets a nut sometimes. how you ended up at redlands is beyond me (if you wanna get academically technical you would be what we call an "outlier"). ur so absorbed in ur own success that you dont realize that everyone else around you sucks at life. so really you can talk to liger about who was better at football, but when your talkin about academics, you should keep your mouth shut, cuz there arent many schools in the entire united states that youre academically superior to (maybe chico state, but thats a close call)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: areyouserious? on November 14, 2005, 04:23:21 am
something I forgot to add

occidental accepts 45% of its applicants
the average SAT score is above 1300 (somewhere around 1340 for this years incoming class i think)
96% of the students achieved above a 3.0 in high school
average gpa is a 3.9 maybe even a 4.0 for this years incoming class.

To be more specific about Redlands....
Average gpa 3.5
Average SAT 1164.

game. set. match.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 14, 2005, 08:11:36 am
TigerSports,

If you read Oxy's release, parts of it seem to be very similar to the release posted on Linfield's site minutes after the bracket was announced.  Hmmm...how dissapointing.  We can't even come up with our own wording?  I'm serious, Oxy can hire me as their SID and I'd do it from here in St. Louis.  To not even promote your broadcast, after all the years you have been doing BOTH football and basketball is a joke.  Mr. Holmes should know better.

Last year...they paid for you to go to Moorhead (Fargo), but not Linfield?  To that, I say...Are You Serious?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 14, 2005, 08:16:05 am
PC,
I didn't see you on TV because I don't get ESPNews...but thanks for keeping this site up and I'm looking forward to reading your analysis. 

The west bracket is pretty crazy.  I would have liked to see another 1st round opponent, for sure.  To me, whoever comes out alive out of the West has the potential to blow out any of the teams for the other regions...Am I wrong for thinking that?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: criswyly on November 14, 2005, 09:17:32 am
I hope you guys realize that Oxy is going to be facing one of the best all time d3 football teams this weekend...welcome to the Catdome....of course that's just my opinion...a long time Wildcat fan.

Our first string defense has been giving up only about 7 points per game...and the the turnover margin is tops in the nation last time I looked.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 14, 2005, 09:59:33 am
OxyBob,
Jim Healy was always one of my favorites.  I still have a tape of his final broadcast.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 14, 2005, 10:39:31 am
"you are the weakest link. Goodbye!"
Good one! Glad to see you got some sleep and still enjoy this hobby.

OxyFan21 you guys may already have thought of this but spiritof86 (LINFIELD guy) lives in St. Louie as well and you guys can always get together Saturday afternoon.
"and our next bachelor..."
Just a thought you guys.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 14, 2005, 11:43:58 am
Thanks Pat, both for your hard work on the d3 sites, for creating a the kind of media outlet that forces the national media to pay more attention to D3, and especially for cutting Liger loose.

I wanted to quickly address this post you made on the NWC strand.  I'm bringing it over here because I think it's more of a SCIAC issue.

Your post read:
"For those bemoaning the two-loss teams getting in and Cal Lu sitting home, Cal Lutheran had the second-worst QOW of any of the teams we looked at for Pool C. You gotta go out and show something -- just beating all the bad teams and losing to one good team isn't enough."

I think the vast majority of Kingsmen backers understand that we had our chance to take care of it on the field and blew our big chance (at Oxy in September).  Having said that I want to make a couple of observations.  The first is in response to the implication that CLU set itself up with an intentionally weak non-conference schedule.  Yes our non-conference schedule turned out to be  weak this year - but, if you assume a 2-3 year lead time for scheduling, PLU, Menlo and Chapman were a combined 16-12 in 2003.

The second observation is in regards to the solid nature of the 8 Kingsmen wins.  The closest a game was to being in doubt was when PLU scored with about 6 minutes left to pull within a touchdown.  CLU responded  with a long drive to kill the clock.  After that, all the Kingsmen wins were decisive - in fact they had an easier time with Whittier, LaVerne, and Redlands than Oxy did (I know - all the more reason they should have played better on September 24th).  Redlands may have had a down year, but they still gave Trinity, TX all they could handle this season.

Finally, I think there are many of us out west are tired of seeing some of the other brackets be blow out fests, only to have the East regional champ come out west and get blown out themselves.  It just makes it a little harder to accept the notion that the NCAA is really interested in finding the top 32 teams. 

I know you have taken exception with the NCAA's pairings, so I'm not calling you a NCAA yes man, just wanted to share some thoughts on a great season for the Kingsmen.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 14, 2005, 11:59:00 am
Oxy fan, the trip to Linfield was on my dime because of technical foul-ups that occurred at the C-M and was entirely my choice.  I never even let them make the decision because I felt guilty.  The other trips on my dime were my choice to, and not the result of turndowns by Oxy.

That said, Oxy's AD has graciously budgeted us for a trip up there.  We'll have the game at www.oxybroadcast.com.  Our "pregame" show will likely start at the usual time -- 11.59.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 14, 2005, 12:09:49 pm
I hope everyone had a great weekend.

First and foremost, congrats to Oxy on their perfect season and their second outright conference title. It was great to read the little article on sundays LA times about the win at claremont.

Second of all, as i was reading the past post i just couldn't believe that people were just lossing their class. Seems that some people can't just accept the reallity. I know that the brackets did suck, but thats just how things work out. What was even more sad was that people where bickering back and forth about academics, the seeting of the school and owning the conference. This is football. THings happen like this any given saturday. Face the reallity

I know for i fact that i am rooting for the Tigers on this first playoff test. I would of hoped that this game would have occured in so-cal so that i could have hooked up at least an after party at Q's in Old town regardless of the Outcome. (Gosh that place was full after the UCLA game on sat)...I am confident thought that oxy will come out and be more prepaired then ever to beat Linifield on saturday. I expect the tigers to play the game of their lives against a solid Linfield team. I wish i could join them up in Portland, but i am not  rich just yet. I have bills to pay on my new truck and apartment. I do hope though that Tigersports and his people can broadcast the game. (Tigersports---you do a good job broadcasting the games)

As i been mentioning all season long i hope and expect that the tigers leave everything they got on the field on saturday and end up upsetting the cats. (I know i might hear words coming from people about this, but hey, who cares)

Go tigers, best of luck for the rest of the week

Tigers 48- Linfield 45

Moreover,
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 14, 2005, 12:12:21 pm
Awesome----Tigersports do your job.Make the Oxy alumni proud.. Make sure you send a shout out to those that couldn't make it because of budget problems please. I hope that the game turns out to be fun and that you anounce how aweosme oxy will end up doing on saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: beancounter on November 14, 2005, 12:34:43 pm
Oxybob....while I have to give you props for the use of God's word as part of a d3football.com post (obviously a rarity), you've made an assumption that the Lord will choose to bless Oxy.  Up here in Oregon, we see signs that it will be the other way around  ;).

I'll post here what I did over on the NWC board regarding Cal Lutheran.  Yeah, it's a tough deal for the Kingsmen....but the lesson is that next time a Linfield or a Willamette calls to schedule a game, the SCIAC folks might want to pick up the phone to take the game as it sure looks like a loss to Linfield or Willamette just might have looked a lot better than some of those wins California Lutheran had to the committee.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on November 14, 2005, 12:37:11 pm
I hope everyone had a great weekend.

First and foremost, congrats to Oxy on their perfect season and their second outright conference title. It was great to read the little article on sundays LA times about the win at claremont.

Second of all, as i was reading the past post i just couldn't believe that people were just lossing their class. Seems that some people can't just accept the reallity. I know that the brackets did suck, but thats just how things work out. What was even more sad was that people where bickering back and forth about academics, the seeting of the school and owning the conference. This is football. THings happen like this any given saturday. Face the reallity

I know for i fact that i am rooting for the Tigers on this first playoff test. I would of hoped that this game would have occured in so-cal so that i could have hooked up at least an after party at Q's in Old town regardless of the Outcome. (Gosh that place was full after the UCLA game on sat)...I am confident thought that oxy will come out and be more prepaired then ever to beat Linifield on saturday. I expect the tigers to play the game of their lives against a solid Linfield team. I wish i could join them up in Portland, but i am not  rich just yet. I have bills to pay on my new truck and apartment. I do hope though that Tigersports and his people can broadcast the game. (Tigersports---you do a good job broadcasting the games)

As i been mentioning all season long i hope and expect that the tigers leave everything they got on the field on saturday and end up upsetting the cats. (I know i might hear words coming from people about this, but hey, who cares)

Go tigers, best of luck for the rest of the week

Tigers 48- Linfield 45

Moreover,

There is no way that OXY drops 48 on the 'Cats
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 14, 2005, 12:48:25 pm
TigerSports,
Thanks for clearing that up for me.  You know I will be listening before 11:59 and you can test out the broadcast on me to make sure it works!  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 14, 2005, 12:58:38 pm
I'll post here what I did over on the NWC board regarding Cal Lutheran.  Yeah, it's a tough deal for the Kingsmen....but the lesson is that next time a Linfield or a Willamette calls to schedule a game, the SCIAC folks might want to pick up the phone to take the game as it sure looks like a loss to Linfield or Willamette just might have looked a lot better than some of those wins California Lutheran had to the committee.

I know you harbor no ill will toward CLU, but I think it's fair to say that by playing PLU year in and year out the Kingsmen show their willingness to play one of the strongest teams historically in the NWC. 

I concede that there are not many SCIAC schools in a big hurry to play Linfield, but the Kingsmen had better results against common opponents than Willamette and about the same results against common opponents as Whitworth.  I don't think there's much to support the contention that the Kingsmen intentionally sought a weak schedule, they just got hurt by Menlo and PLU having down years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: beancounter on November 14, 2005, 01:20:51 pm
Scandahoovian.....any ill will I had toward CLU ended in November 1982.....and that was only was because of what happened in November 1977......and times have changed a lot since then and won't get into the story.

I'll get to the bottom line.  The SCIAC were folks who were quite encouraging of the NWC joining d3 more than ten years ago.   NWC schools, particularly Linfield and PLU, paid quite a price to join.....there was a whole new way of doing business in recruiting and other areas in the probationary three year period.  And at the start, it was good....Linfield had a home and home with Redlands...then with Whittier....and another home and home with Redlands.   But for the last few years, no one wants to play Linfield and no one wants to play Willamette in the SCIAC.   And it is frustrating to guys like me who have come to like the d3 model over the NAIA model of yesteryear.   

It was mentioned on this board that schedules are set two or three years in advance.    That isn't the case at Linfield.  In fact, if a SCIAC school called Linfield today, you would get a home and home deal signed right now (all other things being equal) and the Cats would drop Western Oregon like a hot brick.  The SCIAC has an AQ these days and Brett Elliott isn't going to play at Linfield forever....so I can't see the hesitation to play Linfield.   And no one on this board really has an answer (or should be expected to have one....)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 14, 2005, 01:30:58 pm
I would love to see Redlands schedule Linfield again. It would be a tough matchup for Redlands but to become the best you need to schedule the best. Hopefully it happens again soon.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 14, 2005, 01:33:37 pm
Fair enough, beancounter.  I would like to see more NWC-SCIAC matchups in the future as well, and you make a good point about the AQ making it easier to schedule Linfield.  

BTW-  I was at both of those Cal Lu - Linfield games, but with a different perspective on the outcomes  ;)  The 1977 game still ranks as one of the best I've ever seen.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 14, 2005, 01:35:31 pm
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any ill will I had toward CLU ended in November 1982.....and that was only was because of what happened in November 1977......and times have changed a lot since then and won't get into the story.
I'll explain...California Lutheran University,Thousand Oaks, CA, did lay a loss on the 50 straight winning seasons (and counting) program of the NAIA 3 time champion LINFIELD.
For those of you bemoaning 'let's spend all our basketball TV money elsewhere' NCAA playoff brackets learn that those CLU losses were before any trophies for LINFIELD and they must have made them stronger for the experience.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2005, 01:44:31 pm
Your post read:
"For those bemoaning the two-loss teams getting in and Cal Lu sitting home, Cal Lutheran had the second-worst QOW of any of the teams we looked at for Pool C. You gotta go out and show something -- just beating all the bad teams and losing to one good team isn't enough."

I think the vast majority of Kingsmen backers understand that we had our chance to take care of it on the field and blew our big chance (at Oxy in September).  Having said that I want to make a couple of observations.  The first is in response to the implication that CLU set itself up with an intentionally weak non-conference schedule.  Yes our non-conference schedule turned out to be  weak this year - but, if you assume a 2-3 year lead time for scheduling, PLU, Menlo and Chapman were a combined 16-12 in 2003.

I don't think anywhere in there I implied intent. Don't go overboard.

I would say only Pacific Lutheran is a surprise. Menlo's downfall shouldn't be a surprise (get this, Zamir Amin and Nate Jackson no longer play there) and Chapman has never been great.

Finally, I think there are many of us out west are tired of seeing some of the other brackets be blow out fests, only to have the East regional champ come out west and get blown out themselves.  It just makes it a little harder to accept the notion that the NCAA is really interested in finding the top 32 teams. 

They're not, and they never have been. If they were, there would be no automatic bids. They are, however, interested in getting the 11 best at-large bids in, and with one exception (Wilkes instead of Alfred) I believe they did it.

And exactly how many times has the East champ come out West and gotten blown out, once? Twice if you want to take credit for the West No. 1 seed beating the East No. 5 side. Sorry if that's tiresome for you.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 14, 2005, 01:55:18 pm
Good point, Pat.  When I referred to the East I made sweeping generalizations based on the fact that the East Regional Final last year was a 56-7 rout, and then Rowan came out to McMinnville and got thumped.  I am guilty of turning last year into a trend.

BTW - Chapman was really tough in the mid 1990's, but that's probably too far back to help my case  :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 14, 2005, 02:42:37 pm
Scandihoovian,

Chapman was outstanding for three seasons (1994-1996). That is when they had all the Cal State Fullerton bouncebacks. We(Redlands) tied them 14-14 in 1994, they blew us out at Champan in 1995 and we beat them at home in 1996. They had so much speed and size it made my head spin. They would have done some damage in the playoffs no doubt. Laverne went 9-0 and Chapman went 8-1 in 1995 and got no love from the selection committee.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: beancounter on November 14, 2005, 02:53:55 pm
Scandihoovian....I was at the 1977 Linfield at Cal Lu game as well....driving to SoCal in a 1964 Volkswagen Beetle....one of the more memorable trips in my life.   It also was one of the most disappointing days as well (outside of actual human tragedy of course) as a string of wild events cost Linfield the game.  The better team didn't win that day.   It was also difficult because the people involved with  Cal Lutheran at the time weren't exactly the friendliest bunch we've run into over the years.   Thankfully, that atmosphere is all gone now.

Conversely, I was at the 1982 Cal Lu at Linfield playoff game also.  Cal Lutheran's quarterback was very good (Jensen was his name I seem to recall and I think he got a cup of coffee in the old USFL with the LA team....).  The kid threw for 300+ yards, but Linfield made crucial interceptions as the Cats won and went on to the first of three NAIA d2 titles.  The next two games in the playoffs (Westminster PA and William Jewell MO weren't nearly as good as Cal Lu was).  The better team may not have won that day either.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 14, 2005, 03:03:56 pm
Here are some numbers to crunch on, no thanks to the Oxy SID. They had no season cumulative stats and I went through each game to get these. Had to go to the Claremont site to get Saturday’s game. Anyway the # after any stats are national rankings through the games of November 5. The NCAA doesn’t have rankings through this past weekend yet.

Occidental’s opponents had a 30-45 record (.400). Linfield’s opponents had a 27-48 record.(.360)

Now for stat comparisons:
Rushing:
Linfield O – 125.2 ypg  Oxy D – 160.4 ypg
Oxy O – 183.2 ypg  Linfield D – 73.5 ypg  #3 in nation

Passing:
Linfield O– 346.9 ypg #5   Oxy D – 214.1 
Oxy O – 300.9 ypg #22   Linfield D – 224.6
Linfield has 21 sacks on the season and only given up 3. Oxy has 23 sacks on the season but has given up 12

Scoring:
Linfield O – 49.4 ppg #1  Oxy D – 20.7 ppg
Oxy O – 41.2 ppg #13   Linfield D – 13.5 ppg #11

Total Offense:
Linfield O – 472.1 ypg #15  Oxy D – 374.5 ypg
Oxy 0 – 484.1 ypg  #14   Linfield D – 298.1 ypg

Turnover Margin Linfield +20  #1   Oxy +7

Both offenses put up very similar numbers, but it will be the Linfield D and the 12th man / home field and crowd that will make the difference in the Wildcat’s win.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 14, 2005, 04:06:06 pm
Of course all this is not to make CLU feel better...

It seems that 1977 game was one guy having a ten-year old's fantasy after his mom told him, "Sweet Dreams."

In about three minutes in a crucial point of the game he returned a punt for a TD, about a 55 yd. return on something else, and might have scored again on a third play.
I just remember him standing there grinning ear to ear, panting like Pavlov's dog while his teamates pounded him in joy.
He broke LINFIELD's back.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KennethK on November 14, 2005, 05:00:07 pm
If memory serves..didn't Oxy give the Cats their toughest play-off game last year until the Stagg?  Can the Oxy d-backs match-up with the speedster receivers from Linfield?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 14, 2005, 05:18:59 pm
I guess if you consider 56-27 close....

Oxy did show everyone there something for about a quarter and a half but there defense never seemed to make an adjustment.  It seemed like the deep ball was wide open all day for Linfield.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 14, 2005, 05:21:19 pm
DensLA-

Harry Hedrick is his name, and I think he's now a high school coach in...

OREGON!

RFB-
Good thoughts on Chapman - they were monstrous, although it wasn't until recently that I learned it was mostly bounce backs from the dead Fullerton program that made them go.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 14, 2005, 05:22:04 pm
Cawdad----Those are some really interesting stats that you pulled out. Nice comparisons. I agree that both schools know how to put up big numbers.

The defense for each ball club though will make this game an awesome game. Oxy's defense will have a huge game this week. Their DB's will practice, study hard and eventually have a huge game against Linifeld. Yes, i understand that the cats have really fast guys, but, don't be alarmed if the D.Bs from oxy get it done this week. The L.B crop. of Oxy is just really good. You have a LB thats a stud. You have the other two LB that try to feed of the same momentum.
As for the D.L, i am sure Oxy will trow everything at the cats and make Elliot scramble.  

All i'm trying to say is that i hope that both school just have fun and are honored in playing another game instead of being eliminated and done for the season. I hope that they both show true class and leave everything they got prepaired for on the field
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 14, 2005, 05:45:51 pm
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Oxy will trow everything at the cats and make Elliot scramble. 

pssst....don't tell the johns but he runs almost as well as OXYCollins (similiar to OXYCollins throws almost as well as Brett)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: beancounter on November 14, 2005, 05:48:30 pm
Kenneth....the Oxy DB's gave up seven TD passes to Linfield.   Browneagle stated that the Oxy DB's will study and practice hard this week.  It might take a bit more than that.   As one football analyst put it, you can't teach speed.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gig Harbor Cat on November 14, 2005, 05:54:33 pm
Posting all of the Comp stats is pure apples vs oranges.   The Cat 1st team was out and on the bench within a couple minutes of the half all season long.  I saw the Oxy Linfield game last year.  Nice job of spreading the field by your QB, he made good decisions with the ball, and I am sure that he is better this year.   After seeing the 05 Cats VS the 04 Cats I have to say that the differencemaker is the Linfield D.  A prime example was against Willamette last week.  It was 3 and out and 3 and out and 28-0 at the quarter before you could blink.  Enjoy the game boys bacause this is a special team that your boys are about to play.  Our Cats are a +30 all day long.

    GHC
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 14, 2005, 05:59:58 pm
I agree with you GHC
How are these?
TDs given up by the Linfield starting D:
WOU - 1
UWSP - 1
PLU - 1
Whit. - 2? The rats scored 3 TDs in the 4th quarter, were starters out by then?
UPS - 1
SOU - 1
Menlo - 0
WU - 0 I'm assuming the starters were out for Waltons TD run late in the third quarter.
That is some impressive defense.

Tigers will keep it close for a half, but the Cats make the better halftime adjustments and  the salty D seals the win. 
 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bulldogfan on November 14, 2005, 06:16:08 pm
Regarding the Oxy fans and their posts, particularly a couple of them whose entire lives appear to revolve around this website and posting, congratulations on your win and good luck in the playoffs. Please, however, quit putting Redland's down. Celebrate your victory with class! Oxy won by ONE touchdown and if a final fouth quarter Redland's pass was a few inches lower, the game would have been tied. The other comment involves your star quarterback, Colins. Yes, he is a good OB. However, with all the time he had to throw, due to excellent offensive pass blocking (not to mention numerous holding violations by the O'line that were not called) my grandmother would be able to complete a pass.
Also, be consistent in your posts. One the one hand, Oxy apparently is better than the 1980's vintage SF 49ers. Yet on the otherhand, you are paranoid about Linfield. You either have confidence in your team or you don't. Make up your minds and quit complaining!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 14, 2005, 06:21:33 pm
Thanks for the good words Browneagle and Oxyfan.  I'm hoping for a good game, but hope is more the word.  I'm happy to shout out any listener.  Send me an IM or email during or before the game and we'll get it done.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: castle on November 14, 2005, 06:42:41 pm
Talk about SCIAC getting the short end of the stick...Not only does CLU get left out; but #5 OXY has to travel to #1 Linfield in the first round?  I know that the NCAA has a limited budget, but this game is not fair for OXY or Linfield.  Last year Linfield won all 5 playoff games and OXY won 2, before losing at Linfield.  This is a quarterfinal match-up in the first round.

Well, Congrats to the Tigers for another great season-we'll be pulling for you!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on November 14, 2005, 06:55:19 pm
I've got a few thoughts that this board might appreciate regarding Oxy, Cal Lu and the rest of SCIAC.

1)  Oxy's defense is far weaker then it was last year.  The loss of McNeil and Williams in the middle has not been filled.  While the linebacking core is extremely fast and flows sideline to sideline, they do not have the same hard-nosed intensity of those two players.  Pursuit speed is no issue whatsoever, so expect lots of pressure from the backside of plays, however, if Linfield's team speed is all it is vaunted to be (which I don't doubt it is, having played against Trinity the year they competed in the Stagg Bowl I know what level Linfield is at) this may not be the issue.  Essentially, Oxys run defense is not nearly as good as its 160 yard avg would suggest.  If a team like Whittier can stay within a touchdown by chewing up the clock and running the ball hard, I'd expect Linfield to absolutely dominate.  On a slightly more personal note, McNeil was the consistently the best linebacker on the Oxy squad the last 3 seasons.  Bryant may be fast and put of gaudy numbers, but he is not nearly as tough as McNeil was and I'd wager that the majority of his tackles come from the backside, not when he is being run at.

2)  It's been said before and I'll say it again: Oxy's O runs through Collins.  Unless you have watched them play you can't really realize how much of a difference maker he is.  While he is a very competent pocket passer, he is most dangerous when flushed from the pocket due to pressure.  His speed and mobility forces defenders to step up to stop the run, while allowing the recievers to break off their routes and go to scramble rules.  These two factors combined allow for alot of Oxys big plays.  I fully expect the Linfield D-line to destroy Oxy's O-line (see the effect of Cal Lu's D-line for example..more on that later), the difference will be if they have the additional speed to bring down Collins in the open field, something no team in SCIAC managed this year.

3)  Oxy's defensive backfield is extremely vulnerable.  Since their defensive front does not produce much pressure, Elliot should have all day to throw on a unit that gave up 326 yards in the air to Pomona-Pitzer, a team not exactly known for its team speed.  There is no way the manage to stop Elliot.

4)  I'll expect Oxy to try to generate pressure off the outside with their backers, since their two inside players Tanous and Zachary are both ineffective pass rushers.  However, the only way I forsee them generating pressure is by bringing more then Linfield can block from one side which will leave the hot route open all day, something I bet Elliot can throw.  Look for Ostland to be the most effective in this role, as Bryant is a fairly weak pass-rusher (shut down by a tackle playing for the first time in 6 weeks on a torn up knee against Pomona...even if he was all-sciac the year before).

My prediction then is Linfield in a blow-out, 52-28.

5)  Cal Lutheran's defensive front 7 was the best in SCIAC this year.  #99 Alex Williams on the d-line was by far the best d-lineman in SCIAC and the rest of the squad was just as good.  If you watched the Cal-Lu Oxy game you would realize the extent to which the Cal-Lu d-line penetrated and created pressure against Oxy.  However, time and time again, Collins scrambled and found a reciever open downfield (Cal Lu's corners were not very strong this year).  Cal-Lu plays physical ball on defense, and definitely schemed well all year.

6)  This may sound a little bit baised, but the best linebacker in SCIAC is #34 Matt Barbour of Pomona-Pitzer.  He's number 1 in total tackles, should be # 1 in solo tackles (Davis from CMC plays safety and is nowhere even close to as good as Barbour), has 9 official TFL's from middle backer (I'd bet there were more) and plainly put, is the biggest pain in the ass to block you will find in SCIAC.  LaRussa from Redlands reads well and flows, but is extremely soft when taken on one-on-one.  Bryant as I said above is extremely vulnerable when physically attacked, and Garza is also suceptible to overflow and direct attack.

7)  An award for the least classy move of the year has to go to Redlands for choosing to attempt to score instead of taking a knee with under 1:30 left to go in the Pomona game.  For a program that prides itself on "knowing how to win" and "playing like they've been there before," it showed a complete lack of class last Saturday.  Who knows, maybe they were still embarrased by their loss last year?  Whittier College, home of cheap shots and late hits, takes home the prize for having the dirtiest team in SCIAC this year, know one knows how to do it like the Poets.  Play with pride guys!

8)  Roger Caron was the best coach in SCIAC hands down during his tenure.  No coach did more with less, nor created more headaches scheme wise week-in, week-out for opponents.  Not only that, but he left having beaten every team in SCIAC over the last 3 seasons.

Enjoy, and have a safe flight Oxy...you'll be home for thanksgiving.

A quick side note Bulldogfan:  Oxy may have had all day to throw against Redlands, but it sure wasn't due to excellent pass protection, I would attribute it to the complete lack of a pass rush generated by Redlands d-line.  By far the weakest group I've seen out of Redlands over the last 4 years.  Both nose tackles are ineffective, and the ends are WAY down from the St. Mary's transfer who was out there last year. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2005, 06:58:17 pm
This may sound a little bit baised, but the best linebacker in SCIAC is #34 Matt Barbour of Pomona-Pitzer.  He's number 1 in total tackles, should be # 1 in solo tackles (Davis from CMC plays safety and is nowhere even close to as good as Barbour), has 9 official TFL's from middle backer (I'd bet there were more)

Statistically it's hard to miss TFLs. As long as the ball is spotted correctly by the officials and then in the software, the recording of a TFL is automatic.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gig Harbor Cat on November 14, 2005, 07:42:57 pm
The Butcher welcomes you to the Catdome.  You could just let us pick a score and Phone It In, in case your boys are thinking of no showing the Cats
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 14, 2005, 08:07:01 pm
Roger Caron the best coach in the SCIAC? How many SCIAC titles does Pomona have? Zero is the answer. Sounds like you're just a little bitter you played or coached on a middle of the road bad program for four years. I will say that Roger Caron was a good, organized coach. But to say that he is better then Maynard, Squires, or Widolff is a major stretch.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 14, 2005, 08:26:10 pm
Is it time to play where's Roger Caron? :)

Does anyone know if he's coming back from Cheshire?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on November 14, 2005, 08:55:59 pm
I believe that in 2005 Caron has been 3-4 at Cheshire with one game to go on 11/12. Not that that information casts any light on his possible return to Pomona.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KennethK on November 14, 2005, 09:04:07 pm
Sounds like Collins will need to play the game of his life..both running and passing.  Whitworths Joel Clark passed for 400 yds against the Cats Oct 8th.  Perhaps Collins can come close to duplicating that accomplishment.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 14, 2005, 09:30:36 pm
Well, although I am about 2 days late on this.  Oh well.
First off, congrats to OXY for the SCIAC title, although they got a pretty tough draw in the first round.  I would have loved for Cal Lu to make it to the playoffs for the first time, but they can hang their hat on a great season.  I won't sit here and piss and moan about Cal Lu not making it because the NCAA has their reasons, but it must be very dissapointing for the Kingsmen.  Best of luck to OXY up in Oregon.  You have to beat the best to be the best.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 14, 2005, 09:36:01 pm
One more thing about the previous posts I have been reading.  I think people getting into a pissing match about who's school is better is just plain stupid.  All of the schools in the SCIAC are very good schools.  Everyone on here that went to a SCIAC school should be proud of their education and should be happy with the fact that they got a good education.  Thats it from me.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on November 14, 2005, 10:50:35 pm
Kenneth-

He might throw for 400...That managed to get Clark almost within two touchdowns...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: beancounter on November 14, 2005, 10:54:40 pm
Kenneth my man....as you have all year wrong, you're looking at the wrong side of the ball.  Oxy has to figure out a way to slow Linfield down.    Collins had a nice day statistically (much of it in garbage time) last season in the playoffs....but his team still lost by four touchdowns.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: csnarnia on November 14, 2005, 11:46:06 pm
OxyBob
It's great you know some scripture...but Beancounter is right...I don't think any of use can claim God is going to choose which team to win...and besides you're quote is way out of context...we are not Philistines and you are not David.  One last note...God does care about the game and the people he created.  As to the outcome...I believe he is mainly interested in how it is going to impact our lives in order to know him better.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bulldogfan on November 14, 2005, 11:50:30 pm
To Sagecock:

Regarding Redlands lack of class, as you say, normally they would have taken a knee as would any team with this lead. However, there were several seniors (running backs and receivers) who had not seen any playing time all year. They
were being substituted most of the fourth quarter. It wasn't an attempt to stick it in Pomona's face but to try and get playing time for the backup seniors. Last week against Clairmont the same thing happened. These were the only two games all year where the backup players received time on the field.

Back to Oxy's pass blocking, call it the way you want. If you feel Redlands' LACK OF rushing was the key, it sure doesn't say much for Oxy's o-line. Yes Redland's rushing success was lacking but anyone watching the game would credit great blocking.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on November 15, 2005, 12:00:07 am
Kenneth my man....as you have all year wrong, you're looking at the wrong side of the ball.  Oxy has to figure out a way to slow Linfield down.    Collins had a nice day statistically (much of it in garbage time) last season in the playoffs....but his team still lost by four touchdowns.

What are you talking about?  Collins was building those stats when Oxy built a 17-7 lead against Linfield.  Linfield responded well, but I believe I'm correct in saying that Oxy was the only team in the playoffs to build a 10 point lead against Linfield -- and it wasn't done in garbage time.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 15, 2005, 12:28:08 am
SCIAC fans (not Linfield fans),

If Oxy is as bad as all of you are saying they are now that the regular season is over (and we drew Linfield), then the other teams in the league must be...what...? 

Oxy has lost one game in the last two years, and none within the conference.  So, from an internal perspective within our own conference, we can't possibly be that bad...

What do you say that Redlands and Oxy BOTH aim to qualify next year?

As far as what the Linfield faithful is saying on this board...I, like TigerSports, can hope they are wrong.


Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on November 15, 2005, 01:23:02 am
A ten point lead in the first quarter is hardly something to hang your hat on...Collins and Elliott are tough but it will be the defenses that decide this one...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ChiTownOxyMoron on November 15, 2005, 02:23:08 am
We all know that Elliot and Collins are good, but I have to agree with those who say that the defense will make the biggest difference. Although Linfield has better stats on D, Oxy's D isn't that bad. They have major speed at linebacker, and some good schemes to run. When I was back at homecoming, I noticed that the Oxy's DBs looked better than I remember them looking last year. The coaching staffs for both teams are top notch, and will gameplan well, so it looks like it will come down to the players. Recent Oxy teams have been good about sticking in games and grinding them out, so I don't think it will be the blow-out that Linfield fans are claiming. Sure, Wildcat fans will post the score from last year's game, but this Oxy team has a year of playoffs under its belt, which is something that last year's didn't have. That first year of experience can go a long way. Linfield has obviously proved that they can play, but so has Oxy. With the quality of offensive weapons on the field for both sides, this game ought to be a shoot-out.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on November 15, 2005, 11:45:53 am
Good luck to OXY this weekend. I was on the OXY sideline last year and the team was a class act all the way. It will be fun to watch. :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: beancounter on November 15, 2005, 11:58:57 am
ChiTown.....there is a lot of truth to what you wrote.  First of all, Oxy has been here.  They have dealt with the Linfield atmosphere before, they won't be surprised by it (or at least shouldn't be.   It won't be like playing a game at Whittier or something).  They have played on the turf and played in cooler weather.   There won't be surprises there.

As Oxy experienced last year, Linfield is just a different deal athletically than few others in the country.   Oxy will have to be improved in every area....especially the skill and athleticism the secondary in order to hang with Linfield....it was a mismatch last year.

But as they say, you've got to play the game.....
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 15, 2005, 12:33:34 pm
Wow---sagecock, relax on the whole outlook of Redlands and Oxy's season. At least at this point in the season, I would expect that any SCIAC fan would start cheering for the SCIAC school to do well in the postseason. I guess i was wrong. OH well.

Anywho's, as mentioned before, both Oxy and Linfields defense will determine the game on saturday. With the experince of oxy's playoff battle's last year, this will help the tigers understand how to use their defense to its highest. Sure, you might say that the defense of backfield is vulnerable, but i would assume that they will adjust to the whole game situation and get comfortable by the end of the 1st quarter.

Expect the game to be close. The score will indeed be Oxy 48-Linfield 45.
And yes this is only my opinion, as i would hope that all of you guys on this site would understand from a football fan.

Have fun waiting for saturdays game
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on November 15, 2005, 12:41:07 pm
Wow---sagecock, relax on the whole outlook of Redlands and Oxy's season. At least at this point in the season, I would expect that any SCIAC fan would start cheering for the SCIAC school to do well in the postseason. I guess i was wrong. OH well.

Anywho's, as mentioned before, both Oxy and Linfields defense will determine the game on saturday. With the experince of oxy's playoff battle's last year, this will help the tigers understand how to use their defense to its highest. Sure, you might say that the defense of backfield is vulnerable, but i would assume that they will adjust to the whole game situation and get comfortable by the end of the 1st quarter.

Expect the game to be close. The score will indeed be Oxy 48-Linfield 45.
And yes this is only my opinion, as i would hope that all of you guys on this site would understand from a football fan.

Have fun waiting for saturdays game

If anyone will drop 48 on someone it will be Linfield. OXY will not and can't drop 48 on Linfield. 'Cats 38 OXY 7
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on November 15, 2005, 01:28:56 pm
I really have no idea on what the final score will be....however, I just want Linfield to win and move on.  If they win by 1 or 40....it doesn't really matter...just as long as the 'Cats win.

Collins was probably the second best QB Linfield saw last year (Whitworth's Clark is still be best QB Linfield has seen the past two years) and I respect his game.  He's big, fast, and has a strong arm. 

Are any of you Oxy posters going to be up at the 'Catdome this weekend?  If so, drop me a P.M. and we'll have to meet up and chat before the game.  That is one great thing about the playoffs...it gives some of us the chance to meet and talk shop. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 15, 2005, 02:23:51 pm
Early in the season I though Oxy was even stronger than last year, although as time went on I began to doubt a little.  As many have mentioned  - I think the defense is softer than last year's version.  It seems critical that the Tiger D make enough key stops to give the offense a chance to keep up.  I don't think they can "stop" Linfield in the sense of the whole game, but I do think they can do a lot by coming up with big plays at the right time.  I have not seen Linfield play, but it sounds like their D is strong in a "bend but not break" kind of fashion.  Oxy's O will be the biggest test for the Cats D by far, and they need to break off some big plays early to assure that they'll still be in the game past halftime.  It's a big challenge - but we do our conference a disservice by doubting Oxy's ability to at least give the Cats a run for their money.

Regardless of the decision making process that paired up Linfield and Oxy in the first round, this game is a huge opportunity for the SCIAC to gain respect on the national stage.  A strong showing by the Tigers goes along way for the conference.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 15, 2005, 03:05:17 pm
A Johnnie once posted what a missed opportunity he created when he did not go to the Stagg Bowl when his team was there. His team did not get back for years. Life changes. This was advice to the LINFIELD people last year.
May I pass  it on to Occidental? You students go to your profs and ask what work could be done in the LINFIELD library on-line. You alumni get Jack Kemp on the stick.

Drive 8 hrs and get above Sacramento on the first day. There is a Day's Inn, Holiday Express and Indian Casino lodging along I-5 below Redding. (11 hours will get you over the big mountains into Medford, OR) An early start and no snow over the Siskyou’s (the big mountains) will get you 10 hours the next day to the Salem area.
Salem is about a 40-minute drive to Mac. More lodging to be had there. McMinnville has precious little small college town accommodations and the WILDCAT fans will eat that up this year.

Flying is Southwest into Portland (PDX). You doctors and lawyers fly private if you must  (small airport rule1:do not get into a private plane with a doctor at the controls)  A rent-a car to Mac is going to take you 80-90 minutes to get through the suburbs and Californication of the Willamette Valley; more on Saturday AM because of the losers with green, yellow, and orange flags flying out the window on the highway.

You may never pass this way again.

Of course, if the wheels come off the best team in the country you have a home game next week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 16, 2005, 01:57:24 am
I'm one of those saps flying in on Saturday morning.  I get in at 9 am and will be cutting it close.  Forgot about the civil war cloggin up traffic.  Hopefully, I'm on the road in time to avoid it.  Plus, once I'm off I-5, I won't have to deal with them.  Wish the CW was a little later in the day, then I could do the double.  I went to a cool bar downtown for postgame suds last year.  If any 'Cat could give me the name of a place, I say we meet after the game.  My flight's not till 7.50 outta Portland.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 16, 2005, 09:31:35 am
Avoid the I-5 and downtown Portland mess and save a few minutes. From PDX take the 205 to 5 north for a quarter mile and then the Tualitin-Sherwood Road to 99W. I've done both and this route is faster. Find Gig Harbor Cat's motor home and there will any number of people to socialize with. Golden Valley Brewery is a good place for a post game meal.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KennethK on November 16, 2005, 10:14:50 am
Last year Casey came up huge 13 catches for 221.  Can Oxy limit his numbers this year now that Carter is gone?  Collins was 28 of 50 for 311 with 3 ints.  Did any of those interceptions lead to easy scores for Linfield?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 16, 2005, 10:32:03 am
Scandi--- You made a good point on your recent post and i must agree with you. This game will indeed be critical in the sense that if the defending champs fall, the SCIAC will have a national spotlight. One can only hope that when this happens the East coast schools will start learning about all of the SCIAC schools and start scheduling games against them. This will indeed get SCIAC schools exposed to more competition.

However, i must disagree about the Tigers Defense. I understand that Oxy's D last year was different then this year, but this years defense has gone a long way in adjusting to new things. There is a reason why the tigers ended up being 9-o in conference and one of those reasons was because the defense got them there. THere are some new people on the tiger D, but they have adjusted just fine. THe only thing that i can say now is that this unit as a whole will need to play their games of their lives to get onto the next stage of the playoffs.

God speed to all and have fun at the games
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: beancounter on November 16, 2005, 11:34:23 am
Kenneth....take a look at last years box score and play by play

http://www.ncaa.org/library/records/football_champs_records_book/2004/d3/oxy1204.htm

That ought to help you answer your questions about the Oxy vs. Linfield game last year...although I'm really a bit more puzzled why you aren't spending any time being a worrywart for the Johnnies' first obstacle....UW-Whitewater.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on November 16, 2005, 11:46:24 am
Scandi--- You made a good point on your recent post and i must agree with you. This game will indeed be critical in the sense that if the defending champs fall, the SCIAC will have a national spotlight. One can only hope that when this happens the East coast schools will start learning about all of the SCIAC schools and start scheduling games against them. This will indeed get SCIAC schools exposed to more competition.

However, i must disagree about the Tigers Defense. I understand that Oxy's D last year was different then this year, but this years defense has gone a long way in adjusting to new things. There is a reason why the tigers ended up being 9-o in conference and one of those reasons was because the defense got them there. THere are some new people on the tiger D, but they have adjusted just fine. THe only thing that i can say now is that this unit as a whole will need to play their games of their lives to get onto the next stage of the playoffs.

Shouldn't the SCIAC schedule games vs. the likes of Linfield again before they go East? ;D

God speed to all and have fun at the games
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 16, 2005, 12:24:43 pm
Browneagle-

Oxy's points per game allowed is actually a little lower this year - I guess what concerns me is that in certain games they've given up big numbers to offenses like ULV's, that did not seem that high powered when I saw them play CLU.  Obviously I hope Oxy's D has a great game up north - and I know there's little chance that they'll come in underestimating their opponent.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KennethK on November 16, 2005, 01:10:48 pm
LB:  Thanks for the line score address:  So two of the picks were deep in Oxy territory (22 and 31 yd line) Can't give the Cats a short field.  Undoubtedly those were key TO's last year.  I see Carter also had a big game 153 yds.  So with George gone mayby Oxy can reduce Casey's production, eliminate a couple of Key Turnovers and be in the game.  Seems reasonable.  A close game will give all other contenders some hope.  The J's ought to get through the next two rounds.  The Cat's sure should too..but when you really break it down an Oxy vs J final is not to much of a stretch.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 16, 2005, 02:09:11 pm
A while back there was a discussion regarding SCIAC membership.  I though I'd post this link to the old SCAIC page which offers a few interesting facts on the changing conference membership over the years.

http://athletics.mckenna.edu/SCIAC/history.htm

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: beancounter on November 16, 2005, 02:10:55 pm
Kenneth...nice try.   I'd be far more worried about your Johnnies than spending a minute figuring out how Linfield might lose.   

Your posts remind me of watching the old Peanuts' TV special where Linus sits in the pumpkin patch all night long on Halloween waiting the the Great Pumpkin to appear to give him toys.  Linus hopes and hopes he'll come around but never does.  Similarly, you've spent all of this season "in the pumpkin patch" trying to figure out how Linfield would lose a game so the Johnnies could be the #1 seed.  In the meantime, Whitewater leaped past SJU and it seems likely there will be just one home game for the Johnnies.   Yet you assume the Johnnies will sail through the first two games and it isn't a stretch that Linfield could lose.

Whatever............ ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gig Harbor Cat on November 16, 2005, 02:28:06 pm
As usual Kenneth is full of crap.  Its the Johnnies that don't make it out of the second round.  Whitewater should book their flight plans early to pdx and the Catdome.  Hear are my D3 picks, like em or not they are my picks.
first round winners
Linfield
Concordia
St Johns
Whitewater
Trinity
Wesley
Washington and Jefferson
Thiel
Wabash
Capital
Agustana
Mount
Delaware Valley
Hobart
Wilkes
Union

Second Round Winners
Linfield
Whitewater
Trinity
Thiel
Wabash
Mount
Delaware Valley
Union

   Phone it in, Its in the bank boys  Cats host Whitewater

                GHC
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 16, 2005, 02:37:24 pm
I would like to see Cal Tech pull out of the SCIAC. They are terrible in athletics, they should just concentrate on academics. I would then like to see Chapman join and then Azuza-Pacific to join DIII and the SCIAC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: beancounter on November 16, 2005, 02:57:23 pm
RFB....you bring up an interesting question about Azusa Pacific.  I've known my share of kids who have gone to AP and I look at the school and wonder what their opposition is to d3 and why they wouldn't want in.  ISTM that the school is more d3 than NAIA.   What do you know??
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 16, 2005, 03:01:55 pm
Interesting thoughts, RFB, although I think CalTech may be in for good because they're a founding member and they require all students to play either a varsity or intramural sport.

As for APU they are certainly a dynamically growing place but I think there are two factors there.  The first is that they seem to enjoy promoting the school through football and basketball and their ability to give scholarships in those sports.  Second, they are a member of the GSAC in all other sports.  It's a conference that has a number of other religiously oriented institutions that take a similar approach to student life to that taken at Azusa (student ethical & behavior codes, etc.).
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 16, 2005, 03:09:35 pm
Scandahoovian is dead on right.  To join SCIAC/NCAA DIII, Azusa Pacific Univ. would have to top giving athletic scholarships, which are permitted (with a cap) under applicable NAIA rules.  Further, NAIA attracts a lot of religious institutions (about 2/3 according to the NAIA website) and Azusa is an evangelical institution.  I've never heard of any interest by APU in being part of the SCIAC.

Don't know the story on Chapman, other than it was once briefly affliated.

If you haven't seen Cawdad's posting on the NWC board, he's added another stat post that suggests a close matchup  this Saturday.  Let's all hope that the 'Cats take GHC's advise and "phone it in" leading to an Oxy upset.

Io Triumphe! Io Triumphe!
Haben shwaben, rebeka le animor
Whoopty whoopty, shelerdy veridy,
Broomdy raldy idee-pah
Haneka-heneka whaka-whaka
Boldebara-boldebara
Com-slomidy hob-dob-rah!
O.C. Rah!

GO OXY!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on November 16, 2005, 03:11:30 pm
Another point about APU football -

As an independent, they have to finish as the highest independent rated in the top 20 to make the playoffs - in order to do this, they need to beat as many NAIA ranked teams, like Carroll in Montana. Just as a D3 team beating an NAIA team doesn' help much in the D3 rankings, for APU to beat a D3 team doesn't help them as much in the top 20.

Making the playoffs are very important to APU as they have been competitive for the Director's Cup in NAIA for thelast 5 or 6 years, at least. (The Directors Cup provides points for national titles and playoff accomplishments - I think Sears sponsors it and they do it at all levels of college - NAIA, D1, D2, and D3).

As for Chapman, I think they like their independent status. Especially in sports like baseball, they can schedule who they want to try and showcase the sport - for a few years, baseball was D1 and when it converted to D3 was still pretty tough.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on November 16, 2005, 04:32:42 pm
So I had a few down minutes here during lunch and I was checking out Oxy's athletic website (which isn't much to write home about....Cal Lu's site looks really good.)

I know that the Tigers had field turf installed but I can't believe they ruined a perfectly good surface by taking an orange highlighter to the field! (http://departments.oxy.edu/athletics/football/press_release/athletic_facilities/patterson_field.jpg)

If you're going to do it....do it right! (http://www.linfield.edu/sports/data_assets/venues_photos/maxwell1.jpg)  :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 16, 2005, 04:55:47 pm
As always WC11 - it's tough to sneak those details past you  ;)

Oxy obviously faces big challenges as to available real estate - so I don't think having separate soccer and football stadiums is an option.  I know too, from talking to Soccer players, that they prefer natural grass - which is what I'd imagine the Linfield soccer teams play on.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 16, 2005, 05:37:16 pm
Quote
Io Triumphe! Io Triumphe!
Haben shwaben, rebeka le animor
Whoopty whoopty, shelerdy veridy,
Broomdy raldy idee-pah
Haneka-heneka whaka-whaka
Boldebara-boldebara
Com-slomidy hob-dob-rah!
O.C. Rah!

GO OXY!

NO DOUBT about it.

Your 1918 chant wins that round.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 16, 2005, 05:42:29 pm
Patterson Field (Oxy) has to serve for football, men's and women's soccer, men's and women's rugby as well as, from time to time, lacrosse and ultimate frisbee.  There is a separate natural grass field for soccer and rugby games and practice, but Patterson needs to carry the overload, overlap and when it rains.  

As you might imagine, real estate in Los Angeles is at a premium so space and costs of adding fields is problematic.

So, WC11, it was done "right" . . . just not football pure, much to the chagrin of some, but not the many.

Hopefully, the Tigers will enjoy hosting a playoff game on their new turf against Concordia Moorhead or Coe after a fine showing in McMinnville this Saturday.

EAT'EM UP TIGERS!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 16, 2005, 06:11:01 pm
The new "Around the Nation" is posted.  A nice read and lot's of love for the west, particularly, through my biased eyes, Linfield and Oxy.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 16, 2005, 06:42:30 pm
DensLA:

Actually, the cheer was adopted at Oxy in 1905, having originated at Albion College in 1900.

Clearly, I have too much time on my hands and am avoiding work way too much. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 17, 2005, 12:50:59 am
Catnip...I like it!

As for the soccer field question, yes it is grass up at Linfield.

So, how many Oxy fans are headed north?  Hopefully more than last year.  It seemed like last year Oxy traveled to Linfield with fewer fans than any other playoff team in recent years.  It was surprising, especially because it is within a days drive.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wildcat'64 on November 17, 2005, 02:47:21 am
60 Hours 'till Kickoff - Tigers - Safe Travels to the Catdome
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 17, 2005, 09:53:44 am
So, how many Oxy fans are headed north?  Hopefully more than last year.  It seemed like last year Oxy traveled to Linfield with fewer fans than any other playoff team in recent years.  It was surprising, especially because it is within a days drive.
But that is a damn long day rockcat. It takes me 10 hours and the Oxy folks have another 300 miles on top of that. Rotate drivers, drive safe, and have fun.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 17, 2005, 11:01:51 am
So, how many Oxy fans are headed north?  Hopefully more than last year.  It seemed like last year Oxy traveled to Linfield with fewer fans than any other playoff team in recent years.  It was surprising, especially because it is within a days drive.
  It's a very long day and half the night..

Road report A.M..  from the Rogue Valley headed north on I-5  to 7 Feathers next stop, (unless I see another nice "RANCH" first)..

Early morning line from Southern Oregon,  Cats 45, Skinned Tigers 17..

Go Cats...

fog and more fog, so Be careful ..

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on November 17, 2005, 11:03:22 am
 Sitting back and reading the boards lately and I noticed a couple of things; Cal Lu got screwed, Oxy got screwed, and with Redlands new work on the facilities they can compete for best overall in D3.
  The only way for the SCIAC to get more than one team in the playoffs is either Oxy goes up and beats the Wildcats or someone in the coference beats an OOC that is worth a damn.  Other than that, the West Champion will win the whole thing if it can survive.  There are three or four teams that would win the title if they played in other conferences.
  Azuza would be a great fit for D3, but the NAIA does not want to lose any of the GSAC schools because they are the only SoCal schools.  It is just like why the NCAA tried to get Redlands to move to D2 ten years ago, they wanted a Southern Cal football program.  Go SCIAC on Sat.  The only championship the SCIAC will win this fall is in Redlands H2O Polo.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gig Harbor Cat on November 17, 2005, 11:08:31 am
Oxy fans,
  have a safe trip to the Catdome.  If you arrive early, come tailgate with us we will be about 2 blocks south of the field.  Look for the Linfield flag and motorhome
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 17, 2005, 11:19:10 am
Bulldog- What kind of upgrades are they going to be doing at Redlands?  My suggestion would be to put the school/stadium somewhere besides the "beautiful" city of Redlands ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 17, 2005, 11:20:03 am
Don't worry, it was all in good fun.  Seriously though, what kind of upgrades are they going to be doing?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on November 17, 2005, 11:48:33 am
Sitting back and reading the boards lately and I noticed a couple of things; Cal Lu got screwed, Oxy got screwed, and with Redlands new work on the facilities they can compete for best overall in D3.
  The only way for the SCIAC to get more than one team in the playoffs is either Oxy goes up and beats the Wildcats or someone in the coference beats an OOC that is worth a damn.  Other than that, the West Champion will win the whole thing if it can survive.  There are three or four teams that would win the title if they played in other conferences.
  Azuza would be a great fit for D3, but the NAIA does not want to lose any of the GSAC schools because they are the only SoCal schools.  It is just like why the NCAA tried to get Redlands to move to D2 ten years ago, they wanted a Southern Cal football program.  Go SCIAC on Sat.  The only championship the SCIAC will win this fall is in Redlands H2O Polo.

OXY got screwed? How? To be the best you need to play the best........
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on November 17, 2005, 12:01:42 pm
Oxy got screwed solely because they have to travel in the first round.  Not because they have to play Linfield, they would have had to anyway.  To be the best you have to beat the best.  Secondly, Redlands has the best facilities in the SCIAC and possibly the nation.  Linfield has the videoboard, but Redlands has hot water in the showers. :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on November 17, 2005, 12:06:39 pm
Oxy got screwed solely because they have to travel in the first round.  Not because they have to play Linfield, they would have had to anyway.  To be the best you have to beat the best.  Secondly, Redlands has the best facilities in the SCIAC and possibly the nation.  Linfield has the videoboard, but Redlands has hot water in the showers. :)

I'll give that one to you. Maybe they should have deserved a home game. But, UMHB deserves a home game as well. It will be fun on Sat.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 17, 2005, 12:11:07 pm
Redlands has great facilities, but not best in the nation. Currier gymnasium is ok but I have seen better high school gyms. Redlands definitely has some of the best facilities in the West but a new gym should be next on the list. As far as fooball venues I would say Ted Runner is in the top ten.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on November 17, 2005, 12:11:39 pm
Secondly, Redlands has the best facilities in the SCIAC and possibly the nation.

I guess the Redlands SID feels the same way since he uses a road game photo at SJU as the main picture of Redlands football site (http://www.redlands.edu/x897.xml) instead of the glory that is a Redlands home game.   ;D

btw can you really claim that if you have a 6,750 seat stadium that only draws about 1,650 a game?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on November 17, 2005, 12:37:13 pm
First off, that is a great pic.  Second, the two high schools in town routinely get 8,000 people.  REV v RHS game and the REV Colton game.  Not to mention each team draws about 4,000 for other aditional games.  I said that they had top notch  facilities, I never said anything about attendance.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on November 17, 2005, 12:40:09 pm
First off, that is a great pic.  Second, the two high schools in town routinely get 8,000 people.  REV v RHS game and the REV Colton game.  Not to mention each team draws about 4,000 for other aditional games.  I said that they had top notch  facilities, I never said anything about attendance.

Those SOCAL high school football fans are awesome. I was at a game in the late 80's at the Big "A" with about 35,000.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 17, 2005, 12:46:35 pm
Rockcat asks:  "So, how many Oxy fans are headed north?  Hopefully more than last year.  It seemed like last year Oxy traveled to Linfield with fewer fans than any other playoff team in recent years.  It was surprising, especially because it is within a days drive."

I was totally psyched to drive to McMinnville this year . . . for a second or third round game since family matters were going to keep me from attending any first round game, even at Oxy . . . which is where I figured we'd be for round one.

Ah, the best laid plans of mice and men . . .

Well, at least I'll be able to make the Oxy v. Concordia Moorhead/Coe game if we get to host . . . . (note unbridled optimsim) ;D

Roar you Tigers, Roar
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 17, 2005, 01:11:06 pm
RFB-

I think there will be a new Redlands gym development committee formed on the day after Gary Smith retires  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 17, 2005, 01:35:53 pm
Scandi will agree with me on this one for sure.  The best GYM in the SCIAC will be the new one at CLU (when it opens).  I have driven by it and it is amazing.  Not much else up around there yet but they are working.  I saw the baseball field, but no stands or anything.  Did they run out of money already? :D.  I wish the football stadium would move out to that side of the street.  Any idea when it will be moving out there, if at all???
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 17, 2005, 02:30:22 pm
Cal Lu's building a new gym?  ;)

It includes a competition arena that can become two full courts for practice as well as a practice/intramural gym with two full courts.  State of the art strength fitness facilities and sports medicine facilities are also part of the new center (as well as locker rooms, coaches offices, etc.)

My understanding is that the new football stadium will be immediately to the west (webcam faces north) of the Gilbert Sports & Fitness center.  The aquatics center (funding is already in place) will be immediately to the east (south of the baseball field). The baseball field is completed, they are wrapping up the fundraising for the stands/clubhouses/dugouts phase of the projects and will likely start construction on that phase soon.

The exterior is up, so there's not much to watch now on the webcam (choose the full size option)  but you can get all the construction updates at:

http://ww2.clunet.edu/building_clu/
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 17, 2005, 02:35:16 pm
Scandihoovian,

I could see Gary Smith retiring in about another twenty years. As much as I respect what he has done for Redlands basketball, the fact remains that they have needed new blood at head coach for well over ten years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 17, 2005, 02:48:06 pm
RFB - Agreed.  He's a stand up guy, but it's been years since Redlands has been a force in basketball, and the "system" does not fool anyone in the SCIAC anymore.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 17, 2005, 02:56:13 pm
I have seen the video and it's not too exciting.  It is exiting for Cal Lu to get rid of those JV high school facilities they have now.  Gonna be cool to see all of the new facilities finished.  Nice to see a new baseball field and gym put in.  Seems to me that baseball might be the most consitantly good team on campus ?  Basketball deserves a lot better than what they have.  Gonna be reeeeeeeeeeal nice.....almost as nice as Redlands ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 17, 2005, 03:38:22 pm
I just finish reading the "Around the Nation" articles on this site and was impressed to see that the Powers from above had to say(P.C. and company) about the first playoff choices. I must agree with what they had to say, but you can't dwell on reality. It would have been awesome if the Linfield crowd would have joined us in what would have been a perfect sunny SO.CAL first round playoff game. But, lets face it, as many have mentioned
"To be the BEST you have to play the BEST."
I think wildcat had mentioned in his last post that the score doesn't matter. And I must agree. I don't care what the score will be as long as the TIGERS get over this first round game and keep on moving up....

Btw---Warm water in locker rooms are the best. IF i could remember the Redlands visiting team locker rooms never had any warm water, nor did Claremonts. Great to hear that new complex will be built. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tuxguy on November 17, 2005, 05:19:15 pm
Browneagle64....speaking of warm water.....

Weather report for sat. Sunny with a high of 53'. Will your boys need heaters again this year ???

To those who are going to travel, be safe. This looks to be a great game! #1 vs. #6

You just gotta Love D3 Football

Go Wildcats     Leave no Doubt!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 18, 2005, 12:12:42 am
Scandi-   WOW! All this talk about facilities got me curious so I took a little trip by the new gym.  Holy cow that thing is gonna be sweet.  There looks like a lot of work still to be done but it will be the best in the SCIAC by far (obviously since it will be brand new).  Baseball field looks really nice too.  Didn't see any stands up but I assume there will be some built?  Lookin' Good 8)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 18, 2005, 10:34:17 am
SCIAC fans and Oxy fans---

Good luck to all of you that are heading up North to catch a good game. I wish I could attend the game but I couldn't afford a trip as of today. Anywho's, there's always the broadcast on the net provided by Tigersports and company's excellent job.

Btw---Last year, while i was watching the USC-UCLA game on T.V. College football announcer Keith Jackson had brought attention to the Oxy-Linfield game and had mentioned a couple of things about Oxy. I hope that at least Local t.v can at least send some light to this game that will be played. 

I expect the defense to play the game of their lives and to leave everything they have learned out in the field. The Offense will get things Rolling by the 1st quarter and will get extra momentum by the defense FLYing plays. I am pretty sure that even the special teams will add a little touch to the game as well. Overall, in getting prepaired for this week, I am sure Oxy has made a plan that will adjust to Linfields talents. The Defense plays a big game for both teams---Oxy's Defense edges Linfields D....THe offense takes off with a sense of experience for Oxy and Round two comes to Sunny Souther Cal......

Good Luck to you guys that are going up North...Good luck to the Tigers

And GodSpeed to all 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 18, 2005, 10:56:01 am
---Oxy's Defense edges Linfields D...
You really think so? I will repeat for you, The Linfield starting D has only given up more than 1 TD once! +20 turnover margin to +7 (in one more game for Oxy) And Oxy will get pretty much zip running! Have fun all and drive safe for all those driving.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 18, 2005, 12:22:03 pm
Tom-

As I mentioned on the last page (my post got stuck on the end so you might have missed it) I'm fairly sure the fundraising's almost done for the stands/clubhouses & dugouts.  Not sure when construction might start - obviously they'll be playing ball on that field this year, but it seems like it might be a little late for the other amenities to be up in time for this season.

The webcam is a little boring right now because all the work they're doing is on the interior, but my understanding is that they're on schedule to open in time for the 2006-2007 school year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 18, 2005, 12:39:32 pm
What will be fun for the Oregon folk who could not go to last year's quarterfinal game will be to see OXYCollins running a team that has confidence in him.

More than likely what they will also see about 8 minutes left in the third quarter is OXYCollins running more and more trying to make something happen while absorbing more sturdy hits like he took in the first 8 minutes of the game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 18, 2005, 01:12:59 pm
Not trying to sound mean here but do you guys really think OXY will beat Linfield.  I know I am a SCIAC fan but I just don't see it happening.  OXY had some close games with Pomona, Redlands, and Whittier, which I can guarentee are not as good as Linfield.  Sorry to play the role of the non-believer here, but I just don't see a close game at all.  I would though love to see OXY win so the SCIAC gets a lot more respect from the back east schools who only have respect for teams in the New York area.  Blah Blah Blah, sorry guys, just my thoughts.

Scandi-  Yeah, I saw your post after I posted mine.  Sure would be nice to have the clubhouse and all that done if they are going to play on it this year.  Where did they play last year?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 18, 2005, 01:49:20 pm
Mr. Brady,

On any given Saturday . . . you know the rest.  Oxy has an excellent team . . . Linfield is awesome . . . that doesn't mean the Tigers can't pull an upset victory.  Sure Linfield is favored . . . the prognosticators expect the 'Cats to go all the way.  Will Oxy win the game?  Who can say?  CAN Oxy win the game?  Absofu**inglutely.  And any Oxy/SCIAC fan worth his/her salt will be cheering for the Orange and Black beginning about 25 hours from now.

And when the game is over, I'll be pulling for the team going on to the second round to go all the way . . . and I'd expect that the SCIAC and NWC fans will all agree with that one.  And for now . . . in my world view, that team with be the OCCIDENTAL COLLEGE TIGERS!

EAT 'EM UP TIGERS
IO TRIUMPHE!!

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: I.E. Tiger on November 18, 2005, 02:13:46 pm
With the little time I have today I just wanted to give my support for the  undefeated OXY Tigers. Go up north tommorrow and kick some wildcat A**

GO TIGERS!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: criswyly on November 18, 2005, 02:21:51 pm
I've lost track of how many times the Wildcat D has scored this season...Welcome once again to the Catdome Oxy.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 18, 2005, 02:29:08 pm
Of course Linfield should win, they have more horses then Oxy does. But funny things can happen in a football game, sometimes the best team does not always win. I am sure that Oxy will leave it all on the field. Good luck Oxy, bring one home for the SCIAC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wildcat'64 on November 18, 2005, 02:39:29 pm
The Catdome Awaits --- In 24 Hours it's Catnip Time!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 18, 2005, 02:51:46 pm
Sorry guys, I really am rooting for OXY.  A Tigers win would do a lot for them next year....it might mean the '06 2nd place Tigers might get an at-large bid to the playoffs ;D.  Besides, I never looked good in Purple, wait, I never looked good in Orange either... :D

Best of luck to OXY and safe travels for ALL fans this weekend.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gig Harbor Cat on November 18, 2005, 04:15:07 pm
The Butcher and his boys are ready to serve some tiger stew at the Catdome.

They will come, they will go , and they all say the same thing  WOW  they really are that good !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

               Go Cats

          Gig Harbor Cat
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 18, 2005, 04:48:12 pm
From Pat Coleman's World Famous 'd3.com SEASON PREVIEWS'

The 2005 season “won’t be a rebuilding year,” according to Locey, last season’s AFCA Coach of the Year.

“We can be an outstanding team. The sky is the limit, really,” he said. “Playing four playoff games last year really helps our level of experience. We just need to keep improving, stay focused and continue to have fun.”
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 18, 2005, 05:16:20 pm
Anything and everything can, has and maybe will happen.  Both Linfield and Oxy will play hard.  Remember, last year was the first time Oxy really had to travel (to Concordia-Moorhead and Linfield).  The team knows what to expect now and has been in that great NWC environment before.

These last two years have done wonders for Oxy...Let's hope they can continue their winning ways for years to come and I'm also hoping that Oxy, Redlands and CLU continue to stockpile all the available talent.

This time tomorrow, we should have a pretty good idea on where things stand.  I'm hoping for something like 35-31 Oxy in the 3rd quarter around this time tomorrow.  If the D can just hang on...tight.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 18, 2005, 05:21:32 pm
Amen brother . . . and I'll take that for the final as well!   ;D

TIGER ROAR!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 18, 2005, 05:23:33 pm
Scandi-  Yeah, I saw your post after I posted mine.  Sure would be nice to have the clubhouse and all that done if they are going to play on it this year.  Where did they play last year?

Last year they played at "Amgen Field"  a new public baseball field off of the 23 that the city made a part of a parks renovation project.


Now the big question:  Whose broadcast (Linfield or Oxy) will have enough bandwith for those of us who want to listen in on a feline playoff victory?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 18, 2005, 05:52:24 pm
Predictions....Linfield 56 Oxy 28.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 18, 2005, 06:08:40 pm
Anything and everything can, has and maybe will happen.  Both Linfield and Oxy will play hard.  Remember, last year was the first time Oxy really had to travel (to Concordia-Moorhead and Linfield).  The team knows what to expect now and has been in that great NWC environment before.
That is the injustice of this first round match up. You must remember that Linfield also now knows what it takes to win it all. The offense is just as potent and the defense is so much better. 24 hours from now it will be, Same Cat time, Same Cat Channel, Same Cat result.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 19, 2005, 03:07:19 pm
Anybody having luck getting the Oxy broadcast?  I'm listening on the Linfield broadcast...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on November 19, 2005, 03:07:24 pm
Anybody else having problems with the audio from OxyBroadcast.com?  Is Linfield broadcasting this as well?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on November 19, 2005, 03:09:23 pm
Anybody having luck getting the Oxy broadcast?  I'm listening on the Linfield broadcast...

Where can I find the Linfield broadcast?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 19, 2005, 03:10:38 pm
I can't get it either, this sucks.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: river on November 19, 2005, 03:15:00 pm
LC 7, OC 0 -- BE to CA pass-run 78 yds 1Q
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 19, 2005, 03:16:22 pm
go to www.linfield.edu and click on their athletics link....and then listen live.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 19, 2005, 03:18:54 pm
Thanks
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 19, 2005, 03:21:09 pm
i dont want to lose their broadcast...so if anyone has two computers, keep trying to get the oxy feed...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 19, 2005, 03:34:56 pm
Linfield is in scoring position, 1st and goal at the 3. >:(
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: river on November 19, 2005, 03:41:58 pm
LC 14, OC 0  - Kotler 40 yd run 1Q
LC 21, OC 0  - Cruickshank short run, 2 plays after LC Int on OC 33,  at 2:38 left in 1Q
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: chewey on November 19, 2005, 03:56:16 pm
It looks like it will be another nice win for Lintfield.  Hopefully, SJU will get past UW-Whitewater and make it 4-0 against them.  It will be interesting to see how badly they beat Concordia.  I think the Cobblers will be in for a rude awakening.  The IIAC teams are not very strong and Concordia beat a lackluster Central team by 13 points.   It will be interesting to see how well Lindfield runs against them.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TRU on November 19, 2005, 03:58:38 pm
SJU has had 2 key plays hurt broken ankle and broken wrist. It will make the game at WW very interesting.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: river on November 19, 2005, 04:12:47 pm
LC 28, OC 0 -- BE to CA pass early 2Q
LC 28, OC 7 -- Collins on short run, after INT on LC 40 5:40 2Q
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wildcat'64 on November 19, 2005, 04:23:01 pm
Bad break for Tigers -- fumbled on the goal line.  Would have been 28-14 with 2:00 left in half.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: river on November 19, 2005, 04:32:40 pm
LC 35, OC 7 - BE to BH 11 yard pass -- end of 2Q
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 19, 2005, 04:42:57 pm
I would be flabbergasted if this game turned around in the second half so I feel I will not have to eat any of these words.

OXY knows they have a good team. They should not stay embarrassed too long.
They have run into a program that has put together preparation and opportunity since entering division III 7 years ago.
This year LINFIELD has no All-Americans injured and home cookin'. Their team is VERY deep because many good players do not have to wait until jr./sr. year to play. Oh, and Brett's wrist recovered from that fishing slip.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on November 19, 2005, 04:43:04 pm
Oxyfans,

Sorry to see the game going this way...hopefully you guys can make a run in the second half!

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 19, 2005, 04:44:52 pm
A tough fumble on the 1 yard line, for sure.  I am not embarrased by anything the Tigers do.  One more half.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wildcat'64 on November 19, 2005, 04:50:10 pm
Oxy Fan 21,
The score could easily have been 21-14 at halftime if the Tigers had not had the interception or the fumble.  The Tigers are obviously a very good team and are moving the ball well down the field...just not getting the breaks.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 19, 2005, 04:53:49 pm
We'll just try to keep it close in the 2nd half and hope for some breaks.  Definitely, the Tigers are moving well.

I hope this does not diminish the recognition Oxy deserves.  Just a tough first round draw.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 19, 2005, 05:13:40 pm
Well...I'll feel embarrassed for you then. You keep that chin up.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wildcat'64 on November 19, 2005, 05:17:06 pm
Oxy Fan 21,
I feel for you.  The Tigers are a good team.  You just got a bum deal on the first round draw.  Keep your head up....the Tigers still are moving the ball against the Cats.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerFan98 on November 19, 2005, 05:17:59 pm
For all you Oxy fans - I know that the game isn't very close, but the connection through www.oxybroadcast.com is now working.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 19, 2005, 05:36:00 pm
I could not get it yet on Realplayer.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: criswyly on November 19, 2005, 05:45:35 pm
This is the most legitimate points any team has put up against Linfield this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 19, 2005, 05:50:34 pm
Oxy's offense is solid. It's just too bad the defense didn't show up today.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 19, 2005, 06:10:02 pm
Couple of minutes left and I cannot get OXY broadcast.
Are any of you?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 19, 2005, 06:10:33 pm
My head is up...ran into a buzz-saw. 

Hopefully we will be back sooner than later.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 19, 2005, 06:11:11 pm
I've had it for a while now...don't know what the problem was, but it's nice to hear them for a while, at least.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kingsmantilimdead on November 19, 2005, 07:04:15 pm
didnt anybody tell Oxy that they were playing in a game today? I guess that their mental focus just wasn't where it needed to be. This whole whining and complaining about playing the #1 seed needs to stop, if Oxy would have played anybody else like they played today it would have been the same result no matter who it was. You cant dismiss the success that they had this season but when push came to shove it seems like they couldn't back up their argument.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 19, 2005, 07:40:38 pm
Alright Tigers . . . I'm sure you left it all on the field.  Take a few days of R & R, then start training for next year.  Third time's the charm boys!

Linfield left no doubt today.  Go all the way 'Cats.

sabretooth
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wildcat'64 on November 19, 2005, 07:48:16 pm
It appears to this poster that Oxy was a better team this year than the one the Cats faced last year in the Regional finals.  Unless Concordia has made significant improvements over last year, when you took them to the woodshed on their home turf, the Cobbers could be in for a very long afternoon at the Catdome!

Best of luck next year -- you have a fine program.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 19, 2005, 07:59:03 pm
WOW, sounds like Linfield played pretty darm well, but looks like Collins had himself a hell of a day as well.  Too bad OXY had to have a great season end like this.  I am sure they wil be right back in the mix of things come next september.  Congrats to OXY on a great season and remember, there are a lot of teams who never even got the chance to play in a playoff game.

Kingsmantilimdead- I can't believe you would come on here and say something like that while you are sitting at home.  I am a Cal Lu fan and have given them props all year for the season they had.  Did someone forget to tell you guys you had a game when you traveled down to Eagle Rock?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 19, 2005, 08:23:45 pm
Hey Kingsman . . .

Linfileld 63 - Oxy 21

Oxy 41 - Cal Lu 9

Oxy showed up and played . . . lost to a better team.  Maybe next year Cal Lu will get a shot, but they'll have to get past Oxy, Redlands and the rest of the SCIAC first.  I'm not sure you've got much of a base for spewing trash.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 19, 2005, 08:39:06 pm
Sabretooth- I agree.  I don't think it was all Cal Lu fans thinking that way, just somebody coming on here to talk about the game they didn't get to play in.  No shame in the result.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on November 19, 2005, 08:49:03 pm
if Oxy would have played anybody else like they played today it would have been the same result no matter who it was.

Kings,

I'm pretty sure that Oxy players, coaches, and fans will disagree with you on that one.  Linfield didn't win the title and hasn't been ranked #1 all year for nothing.  Just be thankful that Cal Lu didn't get the playoff nod and had to come up to the 'Catdome. 

My thoughts about Oxy...love the way Collins plays.  The kid was dang good last year but he was just as impressive the second time around.  He's a hell of a player.  He played his a$$ off all game and has the respect of the Linfield players, coaches, and fans.

Linfield just has too many weapons on offense...try to take one player away and there are three more ready to make you pay. 

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: George Thompson on November 19, 2005, 09:17:14 pm
Anyone who thinks Occidental is weak team from a weak league is wrong!     Andy Collins is probably the 2nd best QB in Division III.    And, he is only a junior!

Oxy just ran into a powerhouse team.    My hat is off to Occidental.    You are a very good team.

GO CATS, GO!

George
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on November 19, 2005, 09:17:48 pm
Linfield 63- North LA J.C. 21

Thanks for representing the SCIAC so well! ;D

Linfield 31- Redlands Bulldogs, or Mentone J.C depending on which OxyMoron is posting, 23

  Look what playing someone out of conference can do for you.  The Bulldogs got blasted early in the year and then made it competive in the playoffs.  Oh well, BULLDOGS return in '06.  Now we get to watch Linfiled make a mockery of D3.  I know I love hearing West cost teams gominating the rest of the country.  Just like in D1.

  
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CamCat on November 19, 2005, 09:34:08 pm
My head is up...ran into a buzz-saw. 
Hopefully we will be back sooner than later.

I am sure you will.  Just got back from the game. I have to say  Andy Collins is really impressive. His moves and speed are amazing. He can run like no QB I have seen in a long time and the guy throws for 314 yards? That's incredible.  For us remember this is not a team of a lifetime but a team of 10 lifetimes.  Next year we get back to reality which still isn't bad.

Best wishes to the Tigers for continued success.  Hold your head high. You played your hearts out today.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on November 19, 2005, 09:44:08 pm
Oxy,

Tough game in the northwest..congrats on your season.  99% of your fans are classy, but Liger Lover, your still an idiot...and what do you have to say now????


Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on November 19, 2005, 09:46:05 pm
George Thompson,

Collins is a great QB...and that is clear, but the second best in the country..now thats a stretch!!!! 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on November 19, 2005, 09:54:30 pm
Redlandsfan,

That's another good call.  As much as I like Collins...I think that Joel Clark, Whitworth, might be just a tad bit better all around QB.

You can't go wrong with either of those two....
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 19, 2005, 10:20:59 pm
redlandsfan I know you could not help it but when I thought to address TigerLover I arrived at the conclusion that it wouldn't be fair because he is no longer here...cyberdead.
But you know he read that.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 19, 2005, 10:29:29 pm
Bulldog4Life,

North L.A. Junior College?  All I can say is  ???  I hope you are not serious. 

I'm glad to see that most people on here appreciate our effort today.  Take a look at our offensive #'s...Against any other team, I'd say we'd probably be getting ready to strap up again next week.

Like I have been saying, we're still waiting for the other teams to make it to the postseason and join our party!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gig Harbor Cat on November 19, 2005, 11:27:17 pm
Oxy fans,
   Congrats on a great season.  Your QB is a stud, WOW what a threat.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 20, 2005, 01:37:05 am
OxyBob-  I believe that is the Mt. Clef school for "Butterface" women.  You know the ones.....Everythings good, butterface. :D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 20, 2005, 03:34:31 am
I will give it to Oxy, they had a great offensive day. But the reality is Redlands has never given up 62 points in a playoff game. Yes, Collins is special but Oxy got stomped today. Oxy, enjoy your turkey and gravy. See you next year at the Runner.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: xfactor82 on November 20, 2005, 04:22:51 am
I must commend Linfield on a terrific game -- those guys fight hard.  I would be shocked if anybody keeps it close with them in the playoffs.  They really seem to be peaking.

Also, congrats to the Oxy players and coaches on a terrific season.  For the second straight year, it took the best team in D3 to end their season.  I have no doubt they'll be back in the playoffs next season.  Perhaps the 3rd time consecutive time will be the charm!

P.S.  Kudos to the Linfield fans.  I expected to come to this forum and see some trash talking, but was pleasantly surprised to find the fans commending this year's team.  Best of luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kingsmantilimdead on November 20, 2005, 06:03:41 am
Sabretooth,
 I dont deny the fact that Oxy handled CLU on that night but it wasnt without a little help from the poor play from the team and a swing in officiating, and the fact that it was only CLU's 2nd game of the season while Oxy was in midstride. Guarantee that if the kingsman had a second chance with the tigers, like it should have been, than we see a much different picture. CLU spanked on teams that Oxy barely got by in conference play. But i cant blame you for how you think if the only game you saw CLU play was that one, if you saw it. I congratulate Oxy for representing the SCIAC in the playoffs two years in a row, its an accomplishment that not many teams get, its goin to be a tough road to get back next year but the best of luck.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on November 20, 2005, 08:14:57 am
A couple of things to post on:

1)  I completely predicted the outcome of this game based upon observation, not fan preference.

2)  bulldogs4life:  are you serious?  redlands would have ben BLASTED by linfield this year.  redlands d was even softer/worse then Oxy's.  The only way they don't give up 70 against linfield is if linfield pulls their starters by halftime.  you can make all the comparisons you want, but the redlands that only gave up 31 is NOT there this year.  not even close, so back up off oxy.

3)  kingsmantillimdead:  Cal-Lu got slaughtered by Oxy because they have a poor secondary that Andy Collins abused like they had stole something.  front 7 was legit this year, and I won't deny that, but seriously, there was no weapon in SCIAC like Collins.  Charlie Brown and the other back where probably the the best after him, but you cannot compete with Collins.

4) North L.A. J.C. ?  c'mon.  look at reality sometime.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 20, 2005, 10:21:57 am
Here's the link to today's L.A. Times article on the game:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-oxy20nov20,1,2617866.story?coll=la-headlines-sports

For now, I suggest that Oxy fans and all SCIAC fans do as follows:

1.  Pull for Linfield to destroy the field on the way to a DIII Championship.

2.  Spend a little time supporting our hoopsters.

3.  Look forward to next year's season and (ok, I'm going partisan here) . . . another Oxy Championship.   ;)

4.  Hope that Oxy's non-conference games start including different/better NWC/IIAC/MIAC or Texas opponents (although I think we all have to admit that the fortunes of DIII schools can change rather quickly thus making the outcome of the scheduling contracts a bit unpredictable).

my two cents . . .

Go Tigers, Go 'Cats
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: beancounter on November 20, 2005, 10:55:57 am
Thanks for the link Sabertooth....

Tough draw for Oxy for sure.   I have to give the Tigers prop for tactics yesterday and Mr. Collins is a load to deal with.   Linfield players in the press holding area yesterday were awfully glad they won't see a guy that good again this year.   He was much better this year than last.   Oxy just couldn't deal with Linfield's athleticism and speed.   They aren't the only ones in the world in that catagory....
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 20, 2005, 01:25:04 pm
Congratulations to Oxy on a fine season - it may be that doubts about their secondary were warranted, although I have a feeling that their's will not be the only defense that takes a pounding from Linfield this year.  I think Linfield's got its own reasons to put a pounding on people to send a message - just watch how the MIAC posters respond this week up on the NWC board  ;)  After all, it took a last second touchdown for St. John's to beat Concordia (the next Linfield victim) and then the Johnnnies are next (assuming they can win at Whitewater).

Glad to see so many new folks on the board - I hope the spirited discussion continues (maybe without trying to rename each other's schools)

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 20, 2005, 02:46:17 pm
Article re the Oxy/Linfield game on Oxy's website:

http://www.oxy.edu/x4399.xml

Io Triumphe!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 20, 2005, 05:10:04 pm
Great season Oxy.  I'm sure we'll be seeing you again about this time next year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on November 20, 2005, 07:22:41 pm
Tough game for the Tigers, the fumble on the goal line in the second quarter hurt.  Instead of pulling withing two scores, Linfield gets the ball and drives for another score before the half. 

Tigers weren't the same after that.

No one will even come as close as the Tigers did on Saturday, sorry Cobbers.

3-time SCIAC Champs in '06
Go Tigers!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on November 21, 2005, 04:03:12 am
Could anyone (especially Linfield supporters) give me a possible comparison of Linfield to the 2002 Trinity team that played for the title?  The speed of that team (including Urban, now a Seattle Seahawk) was unbelievable.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OregonCityCat99 on November 21, 2005, 10:14:49 am
Sage-Since I didn't see the Trinity team play  the only comparision is that our QB doesn't get into a drunken brawl the week of the Stagg Bowl and get suspended.

Casey Allen and Urban are very similar
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 21, 2005, 10:35:50 am
Congrats to the Tigers on a fine season. You guys took it all the way to the first round of the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row. Thanks for giving us a fine 2005 season. It was just as awesome as the 2001 and 2004 season.

To the Linfield fans--- Like one poster had mentioned early, i thought you guys would have been trash talking for a good performance, but i understand your classy attitude now. Not only that you commended on the Oxy players for what they did. Hats off to you guys and your team. I am sure that Linfield will take it all the way.

As for a couple of posters that showed up over the weekend---Kingmantil..what ever your name is and sage cock, i just can't believe you have the audacity to post such nonsense. Scandi---was right in what he posted about your opinion. But, hey, its your opinion. But try doing this since the start of the season to make your word legit.

Anyways, this posting was a bit fun. It was the first time i did it this season. I must say that I have heard pretty good stuff and bad stuff as well. To all of you dedicated fans out there hope to hear from you guys in the future.  I am gald that i got to hear from everyones opinions..

Good luck to all and enjoy the rest of your seasons or prepairations for next year.

Tigers all the way in 06"" SCIAC champs
 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 21, 2005, 06:07:19 pm
You folks be sure to keep this thread lively from here on out. It is a great deal more interesting than two years ago.

And I wished someone could have at least told me Ric was going to play. Glad to see it. Two years in a row would have been very disheartening for him.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on November 21, 2005, 07:38:01 pm
"i just can't believe you have the audacity to post such nonsense."

What nonsense would you be refering too?  I broke down the relative strengths and weaknesses of this years Oxy's defense compared to the unit from last year, based upon personal experience and observation.  Judging from the result of the game, I appeared to be correct in my prediciton.

I was defending Oxy from the idiotic attacks of the kingsman poster and the redlands claim they would have done any better, and seriously, anyone trying to impune the academic reputation of Oxy on this board is clearly stretching.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 21, 2005, 11:27:37 pm
Now that I have recovered from lack of sleep (flew up and back same day, did a HS game the night before and woke up early to take the boys to the Thomas the Tank exhibit in Perris on Sunday), a few observations:

1.  I want to apologize to the loyal oxybroadcast.com listeners out there.   Sometimes you just don't know when your computers gonna say, "you know, I just don't fell like doing what you want me to do right now."  As a result, most of you missed the broadcast.  We were on loud and clear in the second half.

2.  Elliott will be in Indy in Feb for the combine.  He is one of the most accurate passers I've seen on any level.  Wouldn't be surprised to see him go not only in the draft, but the first day.

3.  Linfield was by far the most athletic team I have seen this year.  Their D was in Collins' face when it really counted in the first half and they hit hard.  Though they gave up a bunch of yards, at the end of the day, they held Oxy to its lowest point total.  Linfield's receivers are also top notch as well. 

4.  Not only was Linfield better, this was a bad matchup for Oxy.  Oxy's strength on D was their LB's and that wasn't a factor against Linfield.  I don't recall calling Bryant or Ostland's names very often.

5.  Kelly Bird runs a first-class SID operation at Linfield.

6.  I've enjoyed the postings, for the most part, even from the bitter Redlands' fans.  I suspect that the SCIAC will be a different deal next year, especially if Collins doesn't come back to take ballroom dancing.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on November 21, 2005, 11:55:44 pm
Collins getting drafted day one????  Ok, lets be honest....Collins is great, he is...but he is great at the D3 level.  He is not even putting up Danny Ragsdale numbers (not even close) and Rags had a difficult time in the arena league!!!

I give the kid props, but lets "keep it real."
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 22, 2005, 12:07:55 am
redlandsfan, reread the post. tigersports was talking about Brett Elliott, not Collins.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redlandsfan on November 22, 2005, 12:34:13 am
Cawcdad,

My fault!!! Sorry guys!!!

They are both great qb's...the only time I saw Elliot was on TV last year and he didn't have his best game...hopefully the cats make it to ESPN again..then I can check him out.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 22, 2005, 08:33:19 am
TigerSports,

What's your take on whether or not Collins is coming back?  I've been trying to get a handle on where he is academically, but can't seem to find out an answer as each person says a different thing.  I figured I'd ask you as you are a weekly (almost) observer of the team.  Clearly, he is listed as a junior so maybe he has a few classes left? 

Perhaps he can enroll in the education grad program (I don't even know if that's his interest), like they did with some players when I was there...if I'm not mistaken.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 22, 2005, 11:33:37 am
I think OxyBob posted an article earlier from a paper in Yakima that made it sound like he's coming back for sure. 

Here's a link:
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3702.msg404893#msg404893

What's the status on the Oxy receiving corps?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 22, 2005, 12:33:47 pm
Oxy needs to have a good recruiting year . . . a lot of seniors on the way out.  Having said that, two straight conference titles, national ranking, playoff trips (albeit rather quick this year) and that front page piece in the L.A. Times Sports section a week or two back won't hurt. 

The key will be to find good athletes with the academic chops.  Entrance to Oxy gets more competitive each year . . . and the applicant pool has continued to grow.  It will be an interesting off season.

And everything I've heard indicates that Mr. Collins will be back for the next year.

sabretooth
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 22, 2005, 02:12:26 pm
Do SCIAC teams lose recruits to NAIA schools like APU?  I've always wondered where the football players from California who aren't D-I or D-II caliber end up going.  It is sort of a mystery to me why the SCIAC isn't one of the best conferences in DIII.  I'm sure admission standards aren't the only thing working against some of these schools.  Besides that, some of them don't have very tough admission standards anyway. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on November 22, 2005, 02:26:55 pm
One place to look at is the Northwest -

took a look at the rosters for a few NWC schools -


Willamette - 29 players from CA (Coach Speck has ties all over CA)
Linfield - 13 players from CA
UPS - 16 players from CA

If you figure that the posted roster have between 80 and 100 players listed, that makes a pretty high percentage from outside the Northwest.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 22, 2005, 02:36:16 pm
Good question Rockcat, I'm not sure of the answer.  I don't think that APU is a big competitor with Oxy, don't know about the balance of the SCIAC.  Oxy draws from all over the country, we get a lot of kids from Hawaii and the Pacific Northwest . . . but California is certainly the most represented.  Admissions to Oxy, Pomona and Claremont are pretty tough.  I think that, as with any particular DIII school, the competition for really good athletes is with DI and DII schools that offer scholarships, slightly less so with NAIA, but I really don't know.  Tuition is pretty stiff, and the cost of living in So Cal is certainly a lot higher than in other areas of the country.

The recent L.A. Times article provided a bit of insight, particularly as in the case of Collins:  

"When Sports Illustrated did an article last month on then-undefeated UCLA, "the other team in town," the other other team in town barely batted an eye.

"We're Division III. We expect that," linebacker Mike Bryant said. "I think we need to be mentioned a little bit, though. We work just as hard."

Some of them work a bit harder, during games.

Bryant is a two-time defensive player of the year in the Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference.

He also kicks off.

Caleb Small, a wide receiver and defensive back, plays both ways — and he doesn't just dabble.

Against Redlands last month, he played all 78 plays on offense and all 80 on defense, leaving the field once, on a special-teams play.

In a night's work, Small caught six passes for 59 yards and a 24-yard touchdown during the game, was second on the team with 6 1/2 tackles, and returned a punt for 19 yards.

"Our three top safeties have had injuries," Widolff said. "We have about 65 kids. It's not like we've got a million guys and go two-deep or three-deep."

The offensive star of an explosive team averaging 40.5 points and 474 yards a game is Collins, a 6-foot-2, 210-pound quarterback who started his career in the Pacific 10 Conference at Oregon, then found his way down a winding road to Eagle Rock.

"Do you have about two hours to hear the whole story?" he said.

"I went there to play quarterback, and they wanted me to play defense."

He left after one season, and after a brief flirtation with Division I-AA Eastern Washington, took a year off from football at Yakima Valley Community College, near his hometown of Zillah, Wash.

Sifting through all the recruiting letters he received in high school, he decided he wanted to go to a smaller, academically oriented school and called Occidental.

It was a piece of luck for Oxy, but it was luck by design.

"A big part of our challenge is finding very strong academic students, so we contact every high school basically in the western United States and subscribe to recruiting services and send out about 2,000 letters," Widolff said.

"By the time we got going, it was clear he was going to be a Division I guy. But when he went back through his recruiting materials, he came back to our stuff and basically contacted us."

That's how a Division I-caliber quarterback whose passing ability and penchant for pulling down the ball and running fits Widolff's spread offense so well ended up at Occidental.

"We've had some great players," said Widolff, in his 24th year as coach. "Vance Mueller played for the Raiders and had an NFL career. But to get a guy who was a Pac-10 player, no, that doesn't happen often."    

And bottom line is that none of the SCIAC schools that I'm aware of, especially Oxy, Claremont, Pomona put an overpowering emphasis on developing a national championship team in football and/or any other sport.  While we/they delight in getting into the playoffs and want to be competitive in the conference . . . and love  bringing home a DIII championship trophy every now and then . . . it is simply not an institutional priority, at least at Oxy . . . in my view.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 22, 2005, 02:47:02 pm
rockcat, I think many would be D-III ball players in CA go the Junior College route hoping for the scholorship money with a little more experience. And if they do not get the scholorship, they hang up the cleats. The JC here seems to funnel quite a few to NAIA schools like EOU and University of Mary.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 22, 2005, 02:56:49 pm
Another thing that I just noticed, by way of example, is that Linfield's football roster carries 128 players.  

Oxy carries 68.

Willamette has 95

The Cobbers have around 140

Pomona has 49

Redlands has 89

Cal Lu has 98

Claremont has 62

Think roster size has an impact?


Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on November 22, 2005, 03:17:23 pm
oxyfan21 - Collins is coming back next year, much to the chagrin of the rest of the SCIAC, and we'll be returning Kyle Stowers at the safety spot left open by Small's graduation.  He has unfortunately been out all season with a knee injury but is looking much better.

Scandihoovian - The recieving core returns 2 starters, Mike Winchell (Sr) and Rocky Ciasulli (Jr) who both had strong years, but will need to pick up the slack from losing Fukushima, Small, and Jones. 

Oxy will need a great recruiting class this year, but from my experience they run one of the best recruiting trips in the SCIAC.  Their emphasis should be on the O-line (they are graduating 4 of the 5 starters), they will need some help there from incoming Frosh next year.

And..  cawcdad is right, the SCIAC loses a lot of potential D-III players to JuCo which is painful.  With any luck the conference as a whole will beging to get better recruits from the area due to our recent success.


Go Tigers!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on November 22, 2005, 06:05:08 pm
Correction, Winchell is a Jr.  My bad. 


How do you edit a post?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 22, 2005, 06:07:08 pm
Correction, Winchell is a Jr.  My bad. 


How do you edit a post?
In the upper right corner of your post is a button that says "modify"
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 22, 2005, 06:45:42 pm
Quote
The Cobbers have around 140

140! That's outrageous!

Yep, I'd say you guys are right. Junior College and then probably the State College sytem (18 play ball?) and Boise, Northern AZ, New Mexico St. etc.

Never understood why not just go to LINFIELD, have fun and make the playoffs than think you're dying slowly at NM State. One guy figured that out not too late.
I know it's really all about the $, especially in one parent households.

Another Southern California demographic observation...ask a lot of parents in Oregon where they were born and they will tell you California...and they got out - to Oregon.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tuxguy on November 22, 2005, 07:05:47 pm
DenSLA,   did you look at my Birth Certificate?

Congrats to Oxy on a fine year, you just ran into a very special Linfield team the past 2 years. I want to know what you put on Collin's jersey,  ???He was running around like a slippery pig, hard to catch and bring down. 1 more yr. with him, enjoy the ride,     we sure have with Brett & Co.!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2005, 07:38:56 pm
How do you edit a post?
In the upper right corner of your post is a button that says "modify"

New users don't have that option until they reach a higher level of seniority.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 22, 2005, 08:04:41 pm
Thanks Pat. I didn't realize that seniority had certain privileges.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 22, 2005, 09:08:13 pm
One other thought.  While Oxy loses to Linfield 19 or 20 times out of 20, Oxy deserved to have the chance to walk off their home field victorious after a playoff game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gig Harbor Cat on November 22, 2005, 11:14:29 pm
tigersports,
  I agree 100% While I hear all about the NCAA budget I think the top 25 should be spread and seeded.  Teams are seeded all the way back to Pop Warner football.  What we are looking at is pure and simple East coast bias.  By placing all of the power teams in the West along with UMHB meeting the winner of the west in the Semis they guaranteed at least 1 east rep in the Stagg.  in the mean time quite a lot of teams will be sitting home when if spread could of had a chance.  Oxy should of had a home game this year, they earned it as much as the Cats.  To make them a road dog is one thing, to send them to the Catdome is another.  What is going on with the brackets is blatant.  Its pure crap in my opinion. 
   I doubt it will change but at least we all know the reasons why

                 GHC
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 23, 2005, 01:21:01 am
Continuing the recruiting discussion, the NWC does get its fair share of athletes from California but it isn't like there is a short supply coming out of LA.  Of the 15 million people in LA + Orange County there have to be plenty who can meet admission requirements and have the family income to pay for private education.  Besides, the schools that cost the most also have the largest endowments so those who can't pay outright get huge financial aid packages.  I saw that first hand in my previous job working at a DIII school and helping with athletic recruitment.

I guess the big question mark I have is how good is a team like Oxy going to be when Andy Collins leaves?  Right now it appears like they wouldn't be a playoff team without him.  He was kind of a gift, as the story posted earlier explains.  Where is the next Collings going to come from?  How active are the coaches recruiting?

I know some will compare Collins transferring to Oxy with Elliott's move to Linfield.  Not the same because Linfield had an All-American QB the year before Elliott arrived. 

I think it would be great for the SCIAC to continue to develop on the national scene but am just wondering what is preventing that from happening.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 23, 2005, 01:38:24 am
Rockcat, I've had this debate before with others, but Oxy, just like Linfield, is not a one-man band.  Perhaps they lose a couple without Collins, but they went 8-1 in '01 without him and would have made it to the playoffs but for Pomona's lack of desire to be part of the SCIAC.  They had a good team in '03 that got waylaid while the backup quarterback took two games to find himself.  That's not to say they would've won that year, but they've been in contention without Collins the past five years.  Collins was clearly a difference maker as I'm sure you'll agree that Elliott has moved the Cats from a perennial quarter/semi finalist into the USC of D-III.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on November 23, 2005, 05:16:27 am
Tigersports, I think it is fair to mention that the quarterback for the years previous to Collins was Paupau (I hope that spelling is correct) who was good enough to get drafted by a CFL team (even if his dad was the head coach).  Once he went down THAT is when Oxy dropped a few.  The '03 team was good, but with Collins (see last year, effectively the same team) they were a play-off team.

And I would also point out that compared to previous years teams, this years Oxy club was in fact, a one man show.  The biggest difference was on the defensive side of the ball this year.  I think if you talk to most coaches in the SCIAC you'd find that the biggest threat was that of Oxy bringing pressure off the outside with Ostland and Bryant, however, that's only effective if you're either playing a passing team, or forcing the other team to throw since they are playing from behind.  Without Collins to create offensive production for the Tigers, I don't see teams being pressured into this nearly as much (Whittier anyone?).
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CRZK on November 23, 2005, 12:27:31 pm
Ok,  I take pause to get into all of these but sagecocks last post got me thinking.  Just the facts as Jack Webb used to say.

Looking at the SCIAC website I find it hard to justify much of what sagecock claims.  Oxy is #1 in Scoring offense and #2 in SCORING Defense!!  Overall defense ranks 4th which I admit is a problem.  However look at sacks and red zone defense.  Oxy is #1 in sacks and #1 in red zone defense.

Obviously, Linfield was able to move the ball through the air so of course the rush as well as defensive coverage needs to be looked at.  Therefore I find it hard to swallow some of your comments.  As an earlier poster mentioned your points would have more validity if you made them at the start of the year and not now.  In addition, it looks like the conference stats do not support your claims.

So, is it sour grapes?  Or is it that Oxy 1) overall is sound and 2) does need to fill some holes but is looking good for next year considering the # of starters coming back who have two conference championships under their belt?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: beancounter on November 23, 2005, 02:19:28 pm
Let me add two bits here.....

Oxy has a fine football team.  Collins is a load.  But Linfield is just a plane above everyone right now.   In 22 games, they have had just one not so good offensive half of football, and yet still figured out a way to win that particular game.   They are a "different deal".

Just look at Oxy last year.  Not many expected them to win at Concordia.  But they had a difference maker in Collins that day.  While Collins is a difference maker, Linfield right now has more of them than anyone else....
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 23, 2005, 02:39:23 pm
I agree with Beancounter.  The one thing that I wonder about with Oxy is their coaching.  I wasn't at the game last week but I heard from a friend who was there that just like last year Oxy had their corners matched in man coverage against Linfield's receivers.  On top of that they were playing up close to the line of scrimmage and were just getting burned all day long.  That is the same thing that happened last year.  What kind of game plan is that against a team that throws and runs as well as Linfield?  Why weren't there adjustments made?  You think they would have learned by Elliott's 7 Td's last year.  I didn't expect him to throw 7 again this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on November 23, 2005, 03:37:31 pm
It is not "sour grapes" in the least.  I think you somewhat missed the point of my post,   Oxy was a "sound" team, however, without Collins that is all they are: sound.  I didn't deny that they have a sound linebacking core, only that they can be stopped by smart play (see: pomona-pitzer-zero sacks, outgained Oxy).  Additionally, if you've watched a team that is talented enough to get to the Stagg Bowl, ala Linfield, Trinity, Mount Union, etc...you would recognize the disparity in all-around talent.  Like beancouter and rockcat said,  Oxy simply did not possess that sort of skill except at quarterback.  Believe me, I have more respect for Collins then anyone, the kid is freakin unstopable.

However, I don't get how stating Oxy was #1 in scoring offense addresses my post, I never said they couldn't score.  And if you look at the scoring defense, excepting three field goals Oxy's stats are identical to Pomona-Pitzer's, and only slightly better then Redlands, who it cannot be denyed played a MUCH stronger out of league scedule (and no, I'm not trying to start that debate again).  So that claim doesn't really hold that much weight.  As for red zone, kudos to Oxy, they did a good job.  They're coached better then some of the other teams in the league.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ritz72 on November 23, 2005, 03:47:48 pm
Without a doubt,

The NCAA's are tight wads, oxy should have hosted 1st round!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 23, 2005, 09:13:33 pm
Sagecock:

Oxy's stats were a bit skewed because their first string was in the game at the end only against Redlands and Whittier.  Otherwise it was blowout city and three yards and a cloud of dust to run out the clock.  They also gave up two garbage-time TD's on the last play of the game (one of which you probably saw).   I dare say that the Hens were not in similar situations.  This explains why Oxy was frequently outgained.

You should note that the Oxy-Linfield yardage stats from last year's game were fairly even as well and no one is suggesting that that game was deceptively close.

Yardage stats can often be deceptive because returns and short fields caused by turnovers and/or good D can reduce the number needed for scores.

Oxy's first team D gave up 20 to P-P, 9 to Cal Lu, 24 to Redlands, 20 to Whittier, 16 to CMS, 3 to Colorado.  They got torched in the game v. Laverne but were otherwise steady, though not spectacular.  They were just plain overmatched against Linfield. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 24, 2005, 02:24:45 pm
Rockcat,

Here is how I would answer your question about Oxy coaching . . . you have to coach with the talent you have.  A major defensive strategy shift, in light of last year's results, may have been great, but if you don't have the horses to affect that change . . .

You have to set up the strategy best suited for your athletes . . . plain and simple as has already been said, Oxy was physically/athletically overmatched.

Game, set and point to the 'Cats . . . this year . . .   ;)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL  . . . AND GO 'CATS, BEAT THE COBBERS AND THE OXY SPREAD!!   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on November 24, 2005, 05:25:23 pm
You have to set up the strategy best suited for your athletes . . . plain and simple as has already been said, Oxy was physically/athletically overmatched.

I would have liked to seen Mike Bryant matched up on ol' whats his name # 8, jamming him off the line, trying to get some re-routes, with corner help over the top.  I felt with Linfield's 3 step passing game and Oxy not getting enough pressure when the 'Cats dropped back for longer routes it left the secondary hanging and took two of Oxy's best defensive players (Bryant and Ostland) out of the game.


Happy Thanksgiving, Go Tigers!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tuxguy on November 25, 2005, 02:26:30 pm
OXY Oswald, Would you be talking about #8 All-American Casey Allen? Special player for sure, This is not a dig, but one of the first plays was a pass from Elliott to Allen over 2db's and S, and ran away from them. I was surprised my self.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on November 25, 2005, 06:29:29 pm
Tuxguy - haha, Yeah thats the guy... awesome talent.

What do you think his chances are at the next level? I know he's had some knee/leg surgerys, but they dont seem to slow him down.  Theres always room for a sure handed receiver in the league that has some speed.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 26, 2005, 11:33:01 am
Hey Oxy an SCIAC fans . . . hope you all had great a great Thanksgiving . . . and now it's time for all of us to pull for the 'Cats to utterly dominate the Cobbers!

Sabretooth
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on November 26, 2005, 05:22:15 pm
Not happening thus far for the 'Cats.... holding on to a 7 point lead

i'm just now logging into the broadcast, my assumption is that a few Linfield miscues and the fact that the cobbers are pretty good at keep away has kept this game tight
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on November 26, 2005, 05:44:10 pm
Cobbers almost pulled out a close one today, but Linfield took control toward the end.

final 28-14 Linfield
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 26, 2005, 10:52:51 pm
Oswald, and all other OXY supporters- I was just curious how OXY has put together such a strong football program when it seems like all of their other sports are pretty much terrible.  The mens Hoops team looks decent but 6-34 in Baseball, 5-10 in Soccer, 2-13 in Volleyball.  I am not in any way trying to say OXY is a bad school cause we all know about the academic side.  I just dont understand how the other sports can have such a hard time winning if the Football team can be so successful ???
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on November 27, 2005, 04:12:37 am
Tom - The football team just got the right guys together at the right time.  21 seniors on any team will do some damage and we had a lot of guys this year that were determined to prove something, especially that last year was not a fluke.  Unfortunately we got clipped early by Linfield.

As for the rest of our sports programs... our basketball team should have a strong season this year, I'll be at every game supporting the Tigers. 

Volleyball - just got a team back after the coach quit.

Baseball - new coach, no players (apparently a good deal of them transfered b/c of the previous coach)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 28, 2005, 11:42:39 am
Just returned from a weekend in Madison, WI.  Had the chance to drive the 30 mins to Whitewater...impressive team, impressive win.  Hope that Linfield keeps it going against them though!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tuxguy on November 28, 2005, 03:54:12 pm
Thanks for the support from the SCIA fans.

Interesting ref crew from the SCIA on sat. We even had sunshine all game for them! If thats how all the crews call your games, you  can keep-um. :o

GO WILDCATS!      LEAVE NO DOUBT!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tuxguy on November 28, 2005, 04:24:15 pm
Yes the Cats Won a heck of a game. Just not sure the men in stripes were watching the same game. ???  Missed calls on both sides. IMHO
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigersports on November 28, 2005, 06:23:11 pm
Wow, they saddled you guys with SCIAC officials?  Holy mother of G-d!  It's not a broadcast by us until we make some snide comment about the SCIAC officiating crews.  Yeesh.

Oh and btw, the crew at the Linfield/Oxy game was nothing to write home about either.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tuxguy on November 28, 2005, 06:31:03 pm
 I agree................

and not sure where the officials were from at the Linfield/ Oxy game, Not from the NWC, I know that.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Cord Glory on November 28, 2005, 07:10:19 pm
Last year I went to Fargo to watch Oxy play Concordia in the Fargodome. After the game the Cobber fans complained that they would have won the game if only they had played outside instead of indoors. It was the first time I'd heard of a team playing at home in front of their own fans complain the weather conditions were too nice.

Now we have Linfield fans complaining about the refs even after they WON the game. Another first.

OxyBob

The cobber fans were basing their opinion on what hypothetically would have happned to a Cali team in 10 degree weather.  I don't care where you are from, if you're not used to it, it will effect you.  Especially after we played Menlo a few years ago, and in 60 degree weather, their QB had hand warmers on. 

But i've said all along, looking back it doesn't really matter becaue it wasn't outside - and we can only speculate as to what would have happened. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 28, 2005, 07:30:26 pm
Brady---- I think i can add a little to what you had asked in a previous post.
The reason why Oxy has built a strong football program the past five years is because of the following reason's.

    1)A lot of guys that worry about academics-and athletics love to see how the coaches preach about the Occidental Education.
    
   2) On the recuirting trips, a lot of the guys get to see the professor face to face and hear some really good things about the Oxy experience.

3) The young kids are treated to some really nice Food on campus (Which, yes is a part of the experience for about two years until you hate the same food)

4) The kids get to listen to the older guys about what a great time they had learning both from an academic and social life at oxy... (Especially about the girls)

5) When you really want to get a great education at a small setting oxy just catches your eye.

6) And lastly, when the coaches are Honest with you reagarding what the daily life of an oxy football player will be like, the kids undertand that their is a goal. And thats to be A SCIAC champ.

THese are just a few of the reasons that i Could remember back in 1999 when i visited Oxy as a high school senior. All these reason helped the 2000 season go from 2-9 to 5-4. And the rest, well the rest is history of how Oxy football has built a program that is leading to success. Hopefully some of this answers your questions Brady.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Cord Glory on November 28, 2005, 07:41:51 pm
OxyBob -

In 10 degree weather, I think the idea was that Oxy would not have been the better team on the field. But thats what the Cobber fans thought.  Its hard not to think that the weather would have effected how Oxy played since they probably had not experienced that kind of weather before.

But whatever - like I said none of that matters.  So calm down.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on November 28, 2005, 07:55:10 pm
Cord Glory - maybe we'll fly the Cobbers out here for an exihibition game in some of that famous California sunshine... I doubt your guys have seen the likes of that before, I'll thank my lucky stars now that we don't have the option to play in a dome (you might upset us!  :o)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 28, 2005, 07:55:57 pm
While you're right that no current Oxy players would have experienced that type of cold, the current coaching staff faced the 71-0 drubbing delivered by Central (Iowa) of Oxy in the 1985 DIII playoffs when the field was a frozen wasteland and the Tigers had only their regular cleats on which to slip and slide . . . I think that some changed to tennis shoes . . .

So the coaches had, at least, been there and done that . . .

Regardless, it was a nice thing that we got to play at the Fargo Dome last year . . . was that better for Oxy than outdoors in Moorhead?  No question.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda, Oxy won and got to face Linfield in the regional finals . . . finding their playoff run terminated at that point . . . as did the Cobbers this year in the round of 16.

Based solely on the respective results, however, I'd guess that this year's Cobbers were an improved version over last year . . . who knows what would have happened if we'd have had a rematch?  Only the shadow knows . . . maybe next year.   :D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Cord Glory on November 28, 2005, 08:54:34 pm
Cord Glory - maybe we'll fly the Cobbers out here for an exihibition game in some of that famous California sunshine... I doubt your guys have seen the likes of that before, I'll thank my lucky stars now that we don't have the option to play in a dome (you might upset us!  :o)

I'm not saying you upset us last year - we were two pretty evenly matched teams. Oxy obviously played a better game when we played.

And just for the record, we in Minnesota are unlucky enough to get heat (upwards of 95 degrees with alot of humidity) and cold (10 degrees) during the season.  So i guess we've seen all kinds of weather. maybe if it was november, and we were used to cold games, then playing out in Cali might have effected our endurance.  So i guess maybe this weather thing works two ways.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 28, 2005, 10:29:16 pm
Browneagle- Thanks for the reply.  Sounds like they have a pretty good routine going on down there at OXY.   For a minute there I thought we might be looking at another Colorado type scandal ;D.  I bet there are some pretty hot (and very smart) girls that would  be happy to get some football players to come there.  Either that or they take them to some skanky nuddie bar in Pasadena.  Good luck with the off-season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on November 29, 2005, 04:53:11 am
Tom-

Not to start another debate, but I think the rundown Browneagle gave is pretty standard for any school.  The difference is simply the level of support the admissions office/administration is willing to give a program.  And yes, this sometimes involves bending the academic requirements somewhat.  There is a reason after all the some teams in SCIAC have 100 players and others 45.  Don't forget that Oxy's basketball team went pretty deep into the tourney a few years ago either, so it's definitely cyclical.

IMO, the reason you see so many players slip through SoCal D3 schools fingers compared to back east is that the JC system in California is huge.  Talented players that would go to d3 schools back east have other options.  Additionally, I'd wager that the academic standards of many of the eastern schools do not approach those of at least half the SCIAC (not trying to make a blanket statement, but an educated guess). 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 29, 2005, 11:17:08 am
Sagecock- I got ya.  I agree with the whole JC thing out here in So Cal.  It almost sounds like the JC system is pretty much non-existent on the East Coast.  I understand the "typical" recruiting trip but was just wondering why many of the other sports at OXY are so terrible.  Thanks for the reply though
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 29, 2005, 01:09:38 pm
The JC argument is a valid one. There are over one hundred JC's in California that field football programs. This makes recruiting for the SCIAC very difficult. Teams in the NWC do not have to fight against local JC's like the California schools do. I do think that the SCIAC schools are doing a good job of recruiting at the JC level though. When I played at Redlands we had some very good JC transfers. With that said the SCIAC schools can't use the JC competition as an excuse. They need to step up recruiting and get it done.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 29, 2005, 01:21:01 pm
I think the JC argument is a very good one.  The admission standards is a copout though.  There are a lot of really good athletics departments at highly competative d3 schools.  Willamette is just as selective in admissions and are a consistent playoff team.  Wheaton College in Illinois is more selective than all SCIAC schools with the exception of maybe Pomona (but the kids could probably get into Pitzer if they couldn't get into Pomona) and Wheaton is a power in a multiple sports.  They have been in the football playoffs a number of times in recent years, though they seem to get rolled early because they seem to get stuck playing some team called Mount Union.  It seemed to be an Oxy-Linfield type draw for a few of those years.

The difference between Oxy and some of the other SCIAC schools is that whatever they are doing is working....and it may just be effort.  Prior to this fall I worked in admissions at a d3 school and was the department liason to the athletics department.  My experience showed me that coaches who put the effort in and also know how to recruit get good recruits.  Those who put in little effort, which is suprisingly a lot of coaches, end up in the bottom of the conference. The school I worked won a national championship in one sport and was a top-ten team in another.  The rest of the teams were mediocre at best.

There are enough potential student athletes out there who are just waiting to get courted by a team, even when there is a strong JC system like in California.  There may be a ton of JC's with football but there are also 15 million people in the LA area alone.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on November 29, 2005, 01:45:13 pm
...and most of them play soccer nowadays.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 29, 2005, 01:51:49 pm
Wow, they saddled you guys with SCIAC officials?  Holy mother of G-d!  It's not a broadcast by us until we make some snide comment about the SCIAC officiating crews.  Yeesh.

Oh and btw, the crew at the Linfield/Oxy game was nothing to write home about either.

I guess that could be the point both games were bad for the stripes.  The films show many missed calls on both sides of the ball. :) ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on November 29, 2005, 02:10:46 pm
I teach at a high school in CA and continually preach the merits of a small school education. This includes trying to get athletes to go to these schools. Despite all the financial aid available, many go to the JCs to save some money. They also hope the athletic experience / exposure will land them an athletic scholorship in D-I or D-II. I have been talking to a JC kid about Linfield but it looks like he is going to an NAIA school because they will pay for his education. I think that coaches / recruiters would do well in knowing about and explaining financial aid to recruits. Just because there is no athletic scholorship doesn't mean you can't afford it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 29, 2005, 02:13:13 pm
I think another factor in Oxy's success . . . notwithstanding the lightening strike of picking up Andy Collins . . .  was the fact that we got a new president in 1999 who valued athletics . . . something his predecessor did not (IMO).  The new administration built a team that shared those values (athletics as a key component of a solid liberal arts education) . . . and it's paying off now.  Hopefully the ball will keep rolling with the new presidential search.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on November 29, 2005, 02:46:51 pm
Sabretooth-  Great point about the Presidents.  In my opinion it is very important to have a President that values athletics because lets be honest here, many of us would not have gone to a small school if we did not play a sport there.  I will have to say in my observations that the President at Cal Lu could care less about sports (maybe thats why it takes FOREVER to get anything done on the other side of campus).  It does not seem like he supports all of the teams either.  Not too sure if I have ever seen him anywhere but a football game, and even those sightings are few and far between.  Can we borrow the guy from OXY for a while? ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 29, 2005, 02:47:26 pm
You're right about that Saber.  If the upper administration doesn't care than coaches will have a tough time recruiting anybody.  That happens at schools that aren't highly competative in admissions too.  I think of Pacific U. up in the NWC.  They suck at pretty much everything and probably have the weakest new student profile of any NWC school.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 29, 2005, 02:53:09 pm
During a presidential search alums like yourself should be active in voicing your concerns.  You will be heard, especially if there are many who emphasize the same thing.  If you want a pro-athletics president send an email or give a call to the alumni office.  It is important to keep the alumni population happy....they want your money!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on November 29, 2005, 03:02:21 pm
Not to start another debate, but I think the rundown Browneagle gave is pretty standard for any school. 
No kidding, Browneagle's post consist generalities and rambling on about a party scene that I know for a fact he was not a part of during his tenure here.... might I suggest reading Browneagles posts more like this in the future

Good week in the SCIAC....
blah blah blah....
blah blah blah....
Go Tigers!

And lets leave it at that
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on November 29, 2005, 05:13:11 pm
Let's hope the new president values athletics as a whole, not just football and basketball.  Our other teams need just as much help, if not more so.  There needs to be a certain level of administrative support. 

As I have said on the hoops site before, the NESAC can be a great example for the SCIAC in terms of getting quality student athletes.  Having a handful of 'special admits' or whatever the chosen name may be, helps a great deal if those students prove to be successful on the field and in the classroom.

I really believe that a front page article in the LA Times and "Occidental" scrolling on the ESPN and CBS Bottom Line does wonders to recruit athletes and non athletes.  Amongst my non Oxy friends, people have asked me "what's Occidental?" while sitting down on a Saturday afternoon watching ESPN.

As all colleges prepare for the upcoming drop in college age applicants, the administrations at all of our schools need to become increasingly committed to finding students, or in the case of many D3 institutions, diamonds in the rough. 

Oxy has boasted of a tremendous increase in applicants within the last 8 years or so, but hasn't just about every top-notch school gone through the same increase?  It's just a matter of there being more 18 year olds now than in the past.

Just my two cents, and change.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 29, 2005, 05:42:34 pm
OxyFan21:  I'm sure that the new president will support all sports, including club, as did President Mitchell.  And it is my understanding the increase in applicants that Oxy has experienced over the past years has outstripped its comparable institutions.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 29, 2005, 06:10:47 pm
Most private institutions have had a noticable jump in applicants in recent years, the last couple in particular.  Much of it has to do with positive economic signs.  Parents are much more comfortable sending kids to private colleges when they are financially confident. 

Sabretooth,

I think that most colleges with profiles similar to Oxy have had very steady growth in enrollment and applicants over the past decade.  There are exceptions but as a general rule it has been a good stretch. 

The college I worked at, a bit different than Oxy but a private liberal arts college, has reset records for enrollment and applicants for like 19 straight years now.  There has been a significant jump the last two years, again significantly impacted by the economy.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 29, 2005, 06:19:05 pm
OxyFan21:  I'm sure that the new president will support all sports, including club, as did President Mitchell.  And it is my understanding the increase in applicants that Oxy has experienced over the past years has outstripped its comparable institutions.

I don't think that it can be assumed that a new presidnet will automatically be very supportive of athletics.  Presidents are usually hired to fulfill the goals of the trustees during their tenure.  Most presidents are brought in with a plan preassigned to them.  It may be to raise a significant amount of money for buildings, raising academic recognition, increasing faculty research, etc. 

Lewis and Clark is a good example of what can happen when you hire the wrong person.  The president who was fired a few years back came in and pushed hard to raise the academic profile.  He was fired for spending some stupid amount of money, like $2 million or something, without getting approval from the trustees.  That president was so focused on one task that he didn't even think about athletics...which were of little concern to him anyway.  Thus, the campus ethos was changed, you have a student body who is rabidly anti-athlete, and their once decent football program and very good basketball program have gone down the toilet.  Picking a president is a huge deal.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on November 29, 2005, 06:34:23 pm
Oxy has a board of trustees that includes a number of former athletes and the board, as a whole, understands the importance of finding a president who is a friend to athletics, among the numerous other qualities sought.  The presidential search committee is also composed of enough individuals who believe in college athletics to overcome any contingency that does not.  I'm confident that the next president will be one who will continue to support varsity and club sports.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on November 29, 2005, 06:48:03 pm
Prior to this fall I worked in admissions at a d3 school and was the department liason to the athletics department.  My experience showed me that coaches who put the effort in and also know how to recruit get good recruits.  Those who put in little effort, which is suprisingly a lot of coaches, end up in the bottom of the conference. The school I worked won a national championship in one sport and was a top-ten team in another.  The rest of the teams were mediocre at best.

I appreciate your point regarding admissions standards and JC's, but I think that effort is often times not a problem within the SCIAC.  The multitude of schools back east provide an educational opportunity that does not have a comparison in California.  Kids who would most likely go to a JC in California back east can get into many of the local smaller schools.  I think an apt comparison would be Whittier and LaVerne in the SCIAC.  And, feel free to correct me as I'm going off word of mouth here, when those two schools simply ignored admissions standards in the 90's they put together some pretty dominant teams.  However, even those schools have raised their standards to the point where they can't get in the same caliber players anymore.  Or, conversely, they simply can't get the recruits interested and are doing a poor job attracting them.  Also, the expense of a SCIAC school is pretty high compared to your local JC, even at schools you might be able to get in to (LaVerne, Whittier, Cal Lu).

I'd be interested to hear how much support your admissions department was willing to give the athletic department in terms of getting athletes in once they'd commited to the school.  I know there is a chronic problem at Pomona of athletes wanting to come, but simply not being able to get admitted.  I feel that this is probably a problem at only a couple schools in the SCIAC, but it warrants discussion.

p.s.  Wheaton is signifigantly below Oxy, Pomona, and Claremont in academic rankings...it's even a few slots behind Pitzer.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on November 29, 2005, 07:29:08 pm
Hahah---- Sounds like Oxy Oswald had a lot to say....Not

THe only reason why i wrote some post like that in the past was to not Stir up nonsense, rambling or just a lack of classy attitude. I'm just not that type of person. Seems like Ligerlover did that so much and ended up having a lot of people hating his post and probabily hating him. Regardless of how oxy did, i am not that type of perosn.THat definately isn't me. SO if you expected me to say blah , blah , blah, so be it. How about you add some of your own opinions and your own rambling and add something goo d to hear about.

Btw, I understand that our president at the time didn't like the parties. But at the time in 1999 the guys that were on the team wanted to show the young kids what college was about. Whether it was a party or just going to classes to see first hand what oxy was all about. And no there was no Colorado univeristy scandales as well, Just guys showing what to see in college. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 29, 2005, 08:03:11 pm
Wheaton is actually a top 40 overall liberal arts college nationally.  They are also one of the most highly selective liberal arts colleges in the country....I promise, I heard all about Wheaton when I worked in admissions.  That is who all of the schools like the one I worked at wanted to be like.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 29, 2005, 08:17:52 pm
Pomona has the advantage of using Pitzer for students that can't get into Pomona.  I was actually recruited to play baseball there but couldn't get into Pomona so they had me apply to Pitzer instead.  They should be able to do better than they do.  I didn't go there because I had an awful visit, the campus was disgusting and the athletic facilities weren't very impressive at all.

Our office worked very well with the athletics department.  I attended some coaches meetings early in the year and communicated regularly with some of the coaches.  A few in particular called or emailed with me at least a couple of times a week letting me know who they were talking to.  I also would get a list of their top recruits at the beginning of the month.  Some of the coaches didn't seem to want to take advantage of my assitance, which was really done in addition to my normal work load.  I just wanted to help out with I could.

As an office we didn't necessarily give out special treatment or allow unqualified students in but when we knew the recruits personally, which was the case with quite a number, it would help them if they were in the "gray" area.  If they were boarderline and we had a good visit on campus, at their home, coffee shop, etc, it would help them out.  As an admissions counselor I would sort of be their spokesperson to the admissions committee so my opinion was respected.

As I said earlier I don't think all coaches care as much about recruiting as others.  At some schools coaches salary is based on coaching but also for teaching health classes or taking administrative roles.  Because of this I think some coaches wouldn't work as hard at recruiting, almost saying they are paid to spend their off season coaching.

I worked at a Christian college that is very different than SCIAC schools but had its own recruiting problems.  The biggest is that you have instantly narrowed the students who would be interested in attending a college whose mission is focused as it is.  Many would visit, love the coach, but decide not to come based on religious reasons. 

Let me clarify about Wheaton....Wheaton is ranked very similar in academic rankings like US News (when you work in admissions you learn that those rankings mean little, much of it is based on things unrelated to the undergraduate experience).  Wheaton has a ridiculously high number of applicants because every top Christian student in the country wants to go there.    There average GPA is probably about 3.95 and average SAT is probably at least 1350, maybe in more like 1380 or so.  Regardless of how they match up with Oxy, Claremont, Pomona, etc, we are splitting hairs really.  The important things is that they have a top notch athletics department top to bottom.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on November 30, 2005, 12:22:44 am
rockcat:

I think you ahve to be right regarding recruiting in that it is probably a matter of effort.  However, I think that in Pomona's case it gets a little confused for a couple of reasons.  For one, Pitzer is no longer the easy in it once was.  It's not Pomona, but their admissions standards and applicant pool has been steadily rising over the last couple of years.  Also, like you said: not many athletes are that turned on by Pitzer, especially kids who want to go to Pomona instead.  However, the fact that Pomona consistently loses to Oxy when it comes to recruits is often based on admissions pure and simple.  Pomona just can't get the numbers in that other schools can.  Additionally, there is only a limited pool of athletes that can meet the requirements that Pomona demands that is divided up amongst the other top schools (i.e. Amherst, Williams, Trinity, etc..). 

As far as your thoughts on Wheaton, I have to admit I made that comment on the US News report (which I know is flawed, but its all I had to go on).  However, I think that the problem you described in many ways benefits a school like Wheaton's athletics, in that athletes with a Christian focus, or who want a christian college for their education will be far more inclined to go to Wheaton instead of maybe a slightly bigger school where they could play.  Pure speculation there, but it's a thought. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 30, 2005, 01:06:57 am
There is probably some truth in your comments about Wheaton.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on November 30, 2005, 01:10:53 pm

I can't say that I've ever heard the Claremont campuses called disgusting.  At least not Claremont, Scripps or Pomona.  I guess you could make an argument for portions of Pitzer and HMC.

As far as the athletic facilities, I would say that for baseball, the SCIAC has some really nice places.  Pomona's field a great, CMC is a nice setting, Cal Lu is nice, Oxy is nice.  LaVerne is ok, Redlands is pretty nice, Whittier is ok.  I've seen a number of D3 facilities, and I would say that the one's at Pomona rank up there.  The football field isn't a thing of beauty, and the metal bleachers aren't great - but the gym, track, soccer fields, etc are all first class.

As for not having a great visit, that I can understand.  But Wheaton and Pitzer are also very different kinds of schools, and attract a very different student body.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 30, 2005, 02:24:55 pm
I actually went to Linfield.  If you've ever been there and seen the athletic fields and complex you'll understand why a prospective athlete might be sold by them.  The baseball field is as good as you will find at the d3 level.  The field house is also a great addition.  I've been to a ton of d3 schools around the country and I'm not sure if any that I've been to can compare across the board with Linfield's.  Speaking of Wheaton, there athletic complex is actually very nice.  Mount Unions is impressive too, but that may have more to do with the national championship shrine located at the entrance of their field house.  You can check out Linfield's facilities here:

http://www.linfield.edu/sports/venues/index.php\

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Post by: RFB on November 30, 2005, 03:06:19 pm
Linfield has very nice facilities, top notch. I would say that Redlands has the best overall facilities in the SCIAC. Cal Lu could take the honor when they are done building everything.

http://www.redlands.edu/x1064.xml

The pictures of Ted Runner stadium are without the new all-weather track.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 30, 2005, 03:24:06 pm
Amazingly I haven't been to Redlands.  I planned on getting out there for a game this fall but never made it.  Maybe I'll catch a basketball game this winter sometime, I'd like to check it out.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 30, 2005, 03:49:54 pm
I hope that Dr Dorsey at Redlands ( the new Pres) will have the same outlook as Dr Appleton.  Appleton came from USC, so you know he was committed to athletics.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on November 30, 2005, 03:50:24 pm
So, RFB, how often is it as clear as those pictures show?  If there was a place with worse smog than Claremont, it would have to be Redlands.  The facilities are nice, though.

Always loved landing at the Ontario airport through the brown/yellow haze...good times.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 30, 2005, 03:57:33 pm
Redlands basketball is very entertaining, they run a crazy version of run and gun hoops. I would definitely recommend catching a game.

Gray Fox,

Dr. Appleton is not going anywhere, he is now Chancellor. He will still have his hands involved in Redland's future. He is just not running the day to day operations anymore. I am also pretty sure that the trustees brought in a pro-athletics President.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on November 30, 2005, 04:00:21 pm
Pomonaalum,

You're dead right about the smog, Redlands gets the worst of it. I had to practice in that crap for four years. During the wintertime it is the best when the rains clear everything up, but that is true for all of the Inland Empire and LA.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on November 30, 2005, 09:00:10 pm
rockcat: The Linfield athletic facilities appear to be at least top 10% based on a view of the website you provided. Linfield placed 68th in the 2004-2005 standings for the DIII Director's Cup. Are its facilities running ahead of its athletes in terms of quality? If so, why?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on November 30, 2005, 11:23:24 pm
Since we're telling Redlands smog stories...

I was a camp counselor in the mountains east (?) of Redlands - every day we got to watch the smog roll in.  It is a bummer because the IE on a clear day is a beautiful place  - especially in the winter when there's snow on the mountains.  Recruiting might get a lot easier at Redlands as the federal vehicle emission standards get tougher  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on November 30, 2005, 11:31:46 pm
There are definitely a few programs that consistently don't pull there weight, especially some of the women's teams.  I also know that last year was a down year for a couple of usually strong programs like men's soccer and basketball.  Soccer in particular rebounded and had a good year.

I'm not exactly sure how the scoring works in the director's cup.  If a school doesn't field a team in a certain sport do they just lose those points?  I know that the NWC schools don't have some sports like men's and women's Water Polo that I know the SCIAC has.  Some of the schools in the midwest and east coast compete in some things like wrestling and equistrian (believe it or not).  I'm not even sure if Linfield's women's lacrosse team would qualify because it doesn't play a full schedule against  varsity opponents.  I know that the NWC all-sports trophy will never been won by Pacific, George Fox or Whitman because they don't compete in enough sports.  This is just a guess.

I just looked at the NWC all-sports standings through the fall.  Right now Linfield is in fourth place, pretty much because the women's soccer team was real bad this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on November 30, 2005, 11:54:39 pm
Oxy's All SCIAC team:

Honorable Mentions-
Ryan Gonzales - RB
Matt Andersen - RB
Jack Collier - OL
Jared Charity - OL
Victor Lopez - DL
James Sabo - DL

2nd Team-
Caleb Small - WR/DB
Anthony Ostland - OLB
Scott Ferguson - DL
Robert Theofanis - DL
Mark Bohnstedt - OL

1st Team-
Derek Turban - DB
Joe Zackary - ILB
Alfredo Gamiz - OL
Thomas Joraanstad - K
Josh Jones - WR
Ric Fukushima - WR

Zinda Award - Ric Fukushima

Defensive Player of the Year - Mike Bryant

Offensive Player of the Year - Andy Collins
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on November 30, 2005, 11:56:07 pm
Great year for the Tigers, don't know the rest of the conferences results.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rockcat on December 01, 2005, 12:01:44 am
That's quite a list.  Congrats to the all-conference kids.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 01, 2005, 11:55:10 am
On the facilities issue here.  I will have to say that CLU will by far have the best facilities as a whole (when they are all actually finished).  I took a few minutes of my oh so precious time the other day and drove by and took a good look at them.  Amazing.  The baseball field is georgous, with the exception of no dugouts yet.  They better get a move on if they plan on having them by the spring.
Redlands= Very nice facilities....crappy air quality.  That whole campus is very "clean" looking.  Always a pleasure going there.
La Verne=Uhhhhh.....hmmmmm....baseball field real nice? I am going to pass on that one.  At least it doesn't look like Madonna's bra.  ;D
All in all, things could be much worse...we could all live in Iowa or South Dakota :P
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 01, 2005, 12:27:29 pm
Cal Lu will need to have a superior football venue and a very nice aqautics center to overtake Redlands. Redlands has no weak spots when it comes to facilities. The sports fieldhouse/fitness center is state of the art. The womens softball field is as nice as they come. Redlands golf teams count Redlands country club/PGA course at Oak Valley as their home courses. I know Cal Lu facilites are going to be sweet but how are they top to bottom including womens?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 01, 2005, 12:49:04 pm
Glad you asked RFB (it gives me a reason to research instead of work).  I guess it will be an opinionated matter on who has better facilities, but lets just say I am right and you are wrong :D.
From what I can see, there will be a similar Aquatics center to the one at Redlands.  I guess the only difference will be that it is not directly on the street.  The baseball field will have to be kept up VERY well if they want to keep up with the Tiger Woods like grass at Redlands, but the surounding will be more of a "stadium" feel at Cal Lu.
Football=who knows.  From what I understand that will be the last thing done.  It sure will have to be nice to beat the Runner.
The GYM will be absolutely un-real.  I can't describe how sweet it will be but it is huge.  I slapped my hard-hat on and gave myself a tour when nobody was watching :). One thing I do know for sure is that the roof will be high enough so no balls hit it.  Not too sure which one the weightroom was in there but if it is the one I thought, it was very big as well and looks out towards the baseball field. 
Softball doesn't look like it will be done any time soon, but what do I know, it could be done next year.
All in all, it will be a very nice place, not only for a D-III, but for any college.  It sure is nice that CLU finally took the time to make an improvement to their Eye-Sore facilities they had, or have in the case of the gym.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on December 01, 2005, 12:52:16 pm
Speaking of Redlands. What's the lowdown on Frosh John Pearson? How does he look?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 01, 2005, 12:53:22 pm
One more thing, will Cal Lu ever put up new pictures of the new stuff to promote it?  I know it is oh so exciting, but the live web-cam really doesn't do it for me.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 01, 2005, 12:57:57 pm
That's awesome that Cal Lu is making the big time commitment to athletics. They have the right model in place and a growing football program to lead the charge. A new football stadium will do wonders for Cal Lu. It will be interesting when all of the construction is finished.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on December 01, 2005, 01:00:18 pm
Thought CLU tightened up their admissions standards...Slimak used to have a ton of JC kids on the baseball team, back when they were the dominant program in the SCIAC.  Bell, Kiszak (sp?), etc - some good players with pitchers who threw some serious gas.

BTW - who's is going to be the football coach longterm at PP now that Caron is gone.  Where'd he go, anyways?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 01, 2005, 01:02:04 pm
Not sure on John Pearson. I know he had a concussion late in the season that kept him out of some games. I look for him to contribute at wide receiver next season. Redlands loses two senior starters in Charles Coleman and Alex Ballard at receiver so he should get an opportunity next year if he works hard in the offseason.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 01, 2005, 01:05:25 pm
When I was at Redlands(Mid 90's) Cal Lu killed everyone in baseball. They had some very talented players in their program. Admission standards have tightened at all SCIAC schools. Redlands is receiving record applications to get into the school.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 01, 2005, 01:10:59 pm
Pomonaalum- I would say that the admissions are getting tougher at CLU because the school is growing so fast in population, and there is not enough room.  Either way, there are going to be a ton of applicants due to the fact that it is a good school with a good academic reputation (which is always made fun of by other SCIAC schools  :)) located in a beautiful city.  
In my opinion, the athletics program as a whole at Cal Lu has been very successful since becoming D-III.  There have been a lot of Conference Championships won by many different sports.
One question for you Pomonaalum.  I looked at the CLU baseball page and find it kind of funny that you said back when they were good.  Just wondering what you mean by that cause it sure looks like they have a lot of wins every year?  
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 01, 2005, 01:13:55 pm
Wait, I think I took what Pomonaalum said the wrong way, my bad.
I know that this is the football message board, but I recently saw that former CLU baseball player Jason Hirsch is now on the Major League roster for the Astros.  Good news for Cal Lu and the SCIAC as a conference.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on December 01, 2005, 01:59:04 pm
Yeah, I said Cal Lu was the dominant program.  They won at least 5 or 6 straight titles before PP broke that in 2002, I think.  Back in those days, Cal Lu could come at you with 3 or 4 pitchers who threw high 80s-low 90s with nasty stuff.
I think there was a NCAA runner up, can't remember if it was CLU or LaVerne in the mid 90s.

There are some PP players floating around in the minors, too, I believe.  Jose Cortez, Jase Turner and Adam Gardner are names that come to mind.

Baseball is probably the easiest sell for the SCIAC in terms of the "major" sports, both because of the climate and the abundance of local talent.  For that reason, it's probably the sport where the SCIAC is strongest, top to bottom.  Think that level of play is much harder in a sport like football, because of both the numbers required and the strength of other conferences around the country.  Where the SCIAC would be very competitive (or better) with the UAA or NESCAC in baseball, it's a different story in football.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on December 01, 2005, 05:03:37 pm
Not sure on John Pearson. I know he had a concussion late in the season that kept him out of some games. I look for him to contribute at wide receiver next season. Redlands loses two senior starters in Charles Coleman and Alex Ballard at receiver so he should get an opportunity next year if he works hard in the offseason.

Pearson will be a good player for the Bulldogs. He's a great young man. Good family.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 01, 2005, 10:46:22 pm
Oswald,

Can you give me my annual reminder as to what the Zinda award is for? :-[

Also, who is (was) Zinda?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 01, 2005, 11:20:42 pm
I think CLU had two national runner ups in the 1990's and LaVerne may have had one as well.  My understanding is that many of the new facilities not already funded (softball, football stadium, etc.) is that they'll be built as funds are raised.

Has anyone seen the newly remodeled "supertents" (or Madonna's Bra - which cracked me up Brady because that's exactly what we used to call it - maybe everybody did and we thought we were being original)?  I heard good things about the remodel.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 02, 2005, 11:00:20 am
Scandi- Yeah, I am one funny mother.  I actually had never heard it called that before but I am sure you were the only ones to ever call it that (insert ego boost) ;D.
How in the hell can all that stuff not be funded?  They started all of this stuff back a few years ago!  What is going to happen with some of the facilities; Are they going to build half and then let them sit there and collect dust (for example- The baseball field).  Field is done, but no stands, scoreboard, press box........are they even going to play there?  Why not just re-model the current football stadium?  Put some field turf down and enclose it a little more.  It is a sweet setting (middle of campus) that is kind of an eye-sore because of the way it is kept up.
What the heck, put me in charge and this will get done faster :D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 02, 2005, 01:39:09 pm
The SCIAC Zinda award is for performance, sportsmanship, and academics.  If I remember correctly, John Zinda was a long time coach/AD at a SCIAC school . . . I'm thinking Claremont.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 02, 2005, 01:52:44 pm
Gray Fox-
Sabretooth is right on the money here.  Zinda retired from Claremont in 1995.  The same year he was inducted to their hall of fame.
And the Zinda couldn't have gone to a better guy in the SCIAC this year. 

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pomonaalum on December 02, 2005, 03:00:02 pm
Yeah, isn't the football field named after Zinda at CMC?  Not the stadium, but the field itself?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 02, 2005, 03:09:51 pm
Thank you. :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 02, 2005, 03:24:34 pm
In case any of you were wondering, here is the link to the All SCIAC Teams.

http://www.thesciac.org/media0506/51201football-allconf.htm

OXY=13 players
LaVerne=11 players
Cal Lu=10 players
Redlands=7 players
Claremont=6 players
Pomona=5 players
Whittier=2 players.

Congrats to all the players who made it.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on December 02, 2005, 03:51:17 pm
Oswald,
I know we've been through this before, but on the Oxy press release it lists Collins as class of '06...Perhaps he hasn't made up his mind quite yet regarding coming back?

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 02, 2005, 05:35:51 pm
The powers that be with whom I've spoken seem pretty confident that Mr. Collins will be suiting up again . . . but you know, things can change and the only thing that will establish the fact is the occurence of the event . . . so I guess we'll see . . . most importantly, Mr. Collins will make his decision based on his own life, as it should be . . . regardless, it's not something I'm worried about.

 :D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on December 02, 2005, 06:23:01 pm
I'm not worried, just curious.  We could go a long ways with him back, that's all I'm saying. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 02, 2005, 10:38:31 pm
Next year will be interesting . . . lots of seniors graduating . . . but I'm confident that Coach Widolff and his staff will do some stellar recruiting.  Maybe we'll pull some of them big old Oregon boys down here and introduce them to the sun?

 8)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 02, 2005, 10:40:16 pm
I've been thinking about the Zinda Award.

First, why doesn't the SCIAC SID explain what this award is all about? :-[
  Isn't performance, sportsmanship, and academics what D3 sports are all about.  This it is truly a great honor to have been named its winner.

Also, do other conferences have such an award?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 03, 2005, 05:26:07 pm
Apparently the feeling on the site is that our SID isn't that great [takes too long to get up game releases, no information, and our roster is always screwy]

So that's probably why there is no info about it there.  If you want more info on the award I'd suggest looking at Claremonts site. 

Not sure about other conferences... anyone know?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 03, 2005, 07:15:40 pm
The Oxy site had something.  I was asking about the SCIAC site.  It should be pretty standard stuff from year to year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 03, 2005, 08:04:47 pm
Gotcha, I miss read that.  Thought you were asking about our SID.  And I agree, it is standard and should be included on the site.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 03, 2005, 08:07:00 pm
Hey guys . . . does the NWC board appear frozen to you from just before the end of the game?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 03, 2005, 09:53:00 pm
Pat posted and explained that he locked the board b/c the site was crashing.  Probably should have seen that coming with the result from McMinnville coming in

Great Game

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 04, 2005, 12:39:05 am
Pat posted and explained that he locked the board b/c the site was crashing.  Probably should have seen that coming with the result from McMinnville coming in

Great Game

Go Tigers!

Yeah -- not sure why we needed to have six people posting the same thing over and over. What does that accomplish??
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: El Tigre on December 05, 2005, 03:23:56 pm
I know we've been through this before, but on the Oxy press release it lists Collins as class of '06...Perhaps he hasn't made up his mind quite yet regarding coming back?



OxyFan,
   I am positive that Mr. Collins will be suiting up as #1 for the tigers next year.  We already said our SID has trouble with posting information on the roster so I wouldn't use that as an indicator of any sort.  Plus, things tend to get a messed up in the registrar office with credits when a student transfers.

3-peat in '05
Gett'em Tigers! 8)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Maroon&Gold on December 05, 2005, 05:59:28 pm
SCIAC fans:

What does the conference race look like for next year? Will anyone knock off Oxy?  I know that academically Collins is in like his 5th or 6th year of school, is be back again next year, or is he finally going to ditch the college life??  Let's keep this banter going, as you may expect the winter gets a little long up here in northern Minnesota


Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on December 05, 2005, 08:41:00 pm
El Tigre,
Thanks for the info.  My experience with the registrar there was not always pleasant either  :-\

Maybe they can hire you and OxyOswald to be the co-SID...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 05, 2005, 09:59:30 pm
Maybe they can hire you and OxyOswald to be the co-SID...
Could be, we both need the work.

Marron & Gold
You'll get the usual pump up about all the teams that limp into last place every year.  They are "up and coming" and "it's their time," blah blah.   Everyone is always pulling for Cal Lu, but they can't seem to get it together when it counts.  Redlands and OXY will be at the top of this conference for the foreseeable future.  And believe me, at the beginning of every season that is what we're preparing for.  Next year the game is at the Runner, hopefully there will be a repeat of '04. 
Overall, I think we should hold our 2006 predictions for the preseason.  We'll know the Tigers will be ready with Cpt. Collins at the helm.

Go Tigers!
Back to Back to Back SCIAC CHAMPS in 2006
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 06, 2005, 12:53:44 am
Oswald-  I am not sure I would count Cal Lu out of the conference title race next year.  I know they sure have had a tough time with OXY the past 2 years, but somethings gotta give, right?  I hope, I wish. Anyways, I like to see the SCIAC having a three team race (or more) for the title.  Just my $.02 on the subject.

On the flip side, who is OXY playing in their Non-conference games?  DO they still have games left with CC and Lewis and Clark and whoever the third one is?  What about Redlands?  I assume Trinity again...who else?  As far as I know, Cal Lu still has a game @PLU and a home game with Menlo.  Not sure about the third one.  Chapman maybe?  I would love to see them play another NWC school, or maybe someone from the mid-west.  I realize travel $$$$ will be a big issue, but I can hope.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 06, 2005, 03:40:33 pm
Brady: I'm about 90% positive that OXY's out of conference is not changing.  I was looking forward to L&C's program shutting down to force Coach Widolff to pick up another team.  I'd love to see us play a team from the NWC or Texas.  We need a change of pace and some better competition.
And... I haven't counted Cal Lu out next year, I feel like they've been trying to break through for the last three years.  Like I said, they don't get it done when it counts.
Cal Lu boys, what do you think about the Kingsmen next year, who do they have coming back worth mentioning?  Charlie Brown is gone, Sean Brosnan was a huge body on the OL that is leaving, and Joe Henle was a great D linemen. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 06, 2005, 06:18:20 pm
Oswald-

Yes the Kingsmen struggled against Oxy last year, and if you want to claim "they can't get it done when it counts" on that you're welcome to.  I think it's fair to say that the Kingsmen had an easier time with the rest of the conference than Oxy did, and that may help demystify the Tigers in the eyes of the Kingsmen.

Cal Lu fans have every reason to be optimisitic about next year.  Charlie Brown was a tough runner but he had a lot of trouble hanging on to the ball - including one fumble on the one against Oxy and a fumble through the end zone against Redlands.  Louis Montano did a great job at running back as the season went on - both he and Danny Jones will be Juniors next year.  Lots of other skill position kids will be back next year.

They are losing some talented players up front on both sides but if they're able to fill those shoes they should be in good shape for continued success.

Finally, the IIAC sent two teams to the playoffs and saw both of them lose in the first round (granted one of them lost to Whitewater).  I think the SCIAC can do a lot for its image by playing those IIAC schools tough.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 06, 2005, 06:33:35 pm
Finally, the IIAC sent two teams to the playoffs and saw both of them lose in the first round (granted one of them lost to Whitewater). I think the SCIAC can do a lot for its image by playing those IIAC schools tough.

I agree, other SCIAC teams, especially OXY needs to take their out of conference schedule to another level.  Chapman either needs to get into the SCIAC or find someone else to play, they're not worth the dirt their new stadium is built on.  L&C and Colorado College and jokes, I dont know why we bother - other than the fact that the CC President is an Oxy Alum.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 07, 2005, 12:26:06 pm
Oswaldo-  I hear ya on not getting it done in the one game that mattered the most last year.  I really don't know all that much about who they have coming back but I know Jones and Montano(sp?) are going to be there.  I think they had a pretty solid core this year and will continue to build on it.  When you have good years like they did this past year, recruiting becomes a little easier (OXY knows this as well).  I really am looking forward to next season already, and I know you are too. 
Does OXY have a lot coming back or is it going to be a young team?  (notice how I didn't say re-building year, which I really wish were the case ;D)  Let me know what you think of next year as a whole....any surprises?  What about the guys from the brown air area out in the desert.  Whats the report from Redlands' off-season.  Gonna be a 3 way race next year?  I need answers! :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 07, 2005, 12:48:34 pm
OXY will have a strong core of guys coming back, with the opportunity for a lot of younger talent to step in and contribute.  We'll be looking for some freshmen to help fill spots left by our 4 graduating senior O Linemen.  Our defense stays virtually intact, and Kyle Stowers who went out very early in the season b/c of a knee injury will be returning at saftey to help solidify our secondary. 

On another note, Mike Bryant (3-time SCIAC Defensive Player of the year) has been named to the Aztec Bowl Squad.  Here is the release:

http://www.oxy.edu/x4451.xml
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 07, 2005, 01:37:26 pm
Hmmmmm, I hope you don't take this as me ripping on the guy, but how does 34.5 tackles make him the Defensive POY ???  Maybe I am wrong here, but that just seem too impressive.  Like I said, this is not asked to give the guy no credit because obviously he was voted by the coaches, I am just saying his stats really don't seem all that impressive. 
I will say though, I sure am glad he is a senior ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 07, 2005, 01:55:21 pm
scandihoovian...

Quote
I think the SCIAC can do a lot for its image by playing those IIAC schools tough.

You might be on to something there. Central and Wartburg have been good teams the past 5 years and a fair measuring stick
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on December 07, 2005, 03:10:30 pm
Brady, I'm with you.  Bryant is a solid player, but was defintely not the defensive player of the year by any stretch of the imagination.  Last year he wasn't even the best linebacker on Oxy's team, McNeil was.  I don't know why the SCIAC coaches keep voting him so high, but all league stuff tends to get political, not necessarily the truth.

Not to appear partisan (well, I am) but how Matt Barbour wasn't given that award is beyond me.  Ask anyone in the conference how big a pain that kid is to block and you'll know what I'm talking about.  Plus he recorded about, oh, I dunno, 55 more total tackles then Bryant?  How does that make sense?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on December 07, 2005, 03:33:52 pm
What's the weather in Cali doing today...like M&G said, it's long and cold(-5 tonite) here in MINNI
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 07, 2005, 04:18:04 pm
Sunny and 70.  Not too shabby.

As far as Bryant goes, his numbers have dipped since his breakout Sophmore year; however, this has a great deal to do with teams running/passing away from him and coming up with schemes to protect from OXY's outside pressure.  Nonetheless Bryant is a hell of a football player. 

As far as McNeil being out best backer last year, yes, he was good.  Ostland (Soph) was by far the best.  He's been overlooked the last two years. 

Anthony Ostland's 2005 numbers:
GP                    10   
Solo Tackles     46
Ast Tackles       23
Total                 69

TFL/Yds             9.0-43

Sacks: No/Yds   6.0-38

Pass Def:
Int/Yds              1-35
Br Up                 3
Forced Fubmles 2
Blocked Kicks     1

His numbers were even better in 2004, but I couldnt find them on the SCIAC site (maybe I was being lazy)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 07, 2005, 04:19:42 pm
I will say though, I sure am glad he is a senior ;)
Seems like a lot of teams are breathing an awfully big sigh of relief considering Mike was only the 5th leading tackler at OXY this year.  Maybe he actually is better than the last couple posts are giving him credit for?

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 07, 2005, 04:27:13 pm
Found 'em

Ostland's 2004 Numbers:
GP 12
 
Solo Tackles 35   
Ast Tackles   20 
Total             45.0

TFL/Yds        17.5-106

Sacks:
No/Yds         15.0-96

Int-Yds        1-35

1 Defensive TD
1 Offensive TD
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on December 07, 2005, 05:16:15 pm
Oxy, sound like Dumu's numbers from SJU, playing NT:    78 tkls   48-solo  30 asst
          17.5 tfl/88yrds
          9 sacks/66yrds
           4 blocked kicks
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Le Tigre on December 07, 2005, 05:44:19 pm
Brady: I'm about 90% positive that OXY's out of conference is not changing. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Le Tigre on December 07, 2005, 05:49:59 pm
The previous post was an error, kinda new at this. That quote from Oswald in my previous post was 100% accurate. Oxy's non conference schedule is set for at least one more year, assuming Lewis and Clark has a football team next season. Oxy's contract with Colorado College is up after next season and their contract with LC is for two more seasons. Time will tell. But as someone said before I would also like to see Oxy play one of those IIAC teams which made the playoffs.

Get'em Tigers
3 SCIAC Championships in 5 years
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on December 07, 2005, 06:05:02 pm
I think the Johnnies contract with the WIAC is up in two years....I bet the boy's would like a late season game out in Cali....although you may not like one in Mini-sooo-ta....its, -8 now.... ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Le Tigre on December 07, 2005, 06:08:57 pm
Ya, the Tigers have definitely had their fill of games in the north midwest late in the season, whether it be Minn or N.D. I played in the game against Concordia-M.H and I am sure glad we played in the Fargo Dome. But the Johnnies v. Tigers match-up is one that I would like to see happen late in the season in Cali or very early in the season in Minn

Get'em Tigers
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on December 07, 2005, 06:12:22 pm
I think the only way that would happen would be in a playoff game... ;D So it would be damnnnnnnn cold. ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 07, 2005, 06:35:22 pm
I can't see Oxy scheduling the Johnnies or anyone half decent. They have a reputation for playing pansy football programs. They better hope that Collins comes back or it will be back to reality for Oxy as a football program.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on December 07, 2005, 06:43:09 pm
Can't really see it happening either, just a nice thought, good excuse to come to Cali on vaca... ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Le Tigre on December 07, 2005, 07:23:07 pm
Here we go again, all of the who-riding or "hating" on Oxy's schedule is so 6 weeks ago. Oh I get RFB you want Oxy to play teams like Linfield, Trinity or PLU in the preseason so that they can play some good tough competition early and go into conference play with the possibility of injuries to key players, low moral and low playoff hopes or even lose a couple of preseason games and throw in the towel, giving Redlands a better chance of beating them... Pansy schedule or not, Oxy has come into conference play the past two years and has made a statement that they are the best team in the SCIAC. And we saw last season how Oxy's "pansy" pre-season schedule was such a predictor of how they would respond to playoff calibur teams. So I think that the argument about Oxy's pre-season scheduling is kinda tired and the Redlands fans should stop looking for excuses and hope that their team is ready to play when Oxy's bus comes rolling in to Redlands next season. Word of advice RFB, tell the administration over at Redlands not to schedule Oxy as homecoming, I would hate to have a repeat from 04.  ;)

Get'em Tigers
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on December 07, 2005, 07:29:14 pm
Le Tigre,

RFB does have a point.  While Redlands was dropped in the playoffs in the first game during the 2002 and 2003 seasons they did play the top two teams in the region very close.

While they may have been thumped early in the year by Willamette and Linfield in those years it did seem that those games gave the Dawgs an idea on what kind of level they would need to get to in order to be competitive with the top teams.

I really think there is nothing positive that comes for Oxy playing CC and L&C for non-conference tilts.  Hell, you guys have an AQ in the SCIAC so why would it hurt to play someone worth a damn to get that big game experience under your belt?

It's just a flat out WEAK non-conference schedule.  Don't get me wrong, Collins is a stud and can carry Oxy really well but this team will not get any respect playing the slate they do.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Le Tigre on December 07, 2005, 07:39:25 pm
I really think there is nothing positive that comes for Oxy playing CC and L&C for non-conference tilts. Hell, you guys have an AQ in the SCIAC so why would it hurt to play someone worth a damn to get that big game experience under your belt.


Wldcat11,
I agree with you, I feel that Oxy should play a playoff calibur team or two in the pre-season. But Oxy's non conference contracts will LC and CC are 4 or 5 year contracts (I am not exactly sure which one they are) which were agreed up when Oxy was not doing so well. So untill these contracts are up, that is who Oxy will play. Now like I said earlier, LC and CC contracts with Oxy are only 1 to 2 more seasons and after that I dont see either of them re-signing to play Oxy. And I dont see Oxy desiring to play them either. I hope and and believe that they will starting playing some playoff calibur teams, but untill their current contracts are up, there is no use complaining about them, it is just useless banter.

Get'em Tigers
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on December 07, 2005, 07:46:17 pm
That's why Northwestern(st.paul)has played SJU the last two years in non-conference, sure it's a cake game for the Johnnies, but after playing Eau Claire in the opener it's kinda of a confidence booster. But for Northwestern it's a chance to see what kind of team they have for the year (although they do get there ass handed to them) it helps them prepare for their conf. schedule.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 07, 2005, 09:29:05 pm
Le Tigre,

Any team can go on a two or three year run like Oxy, just ask Laverne. They won three straight SCIAC championships in the 90's and have not been heard from since. Redlands has been down the last two years, a very average team for Redlands standards. And the funny thing is that Oxy was not much better then Redlands was this year. My point is Redlands knows how to regroup after being down for a few years. I want to see how Oxy responds as soon as Collins is gone. And yes I laugh at who Oxy plays, grow some balls and play somebody. I would rather Redlands be 5-4 playing real programs then be 7-2 playing high school competition. Redlands will be back on top soon, they have done it before.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on December 07, 2005, 09:37:07 pm
RFB, not to stir the pot, but I think El T point is that he knows the team they play are cheesey, but if there obligated to play them, there's not whole lot they can do about it. Kind of like USC playing Hawaii, now these a football powerhouse.. ::)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 07, 2005, 09:41:06 pm
Wow, good talk going on here.  I will have to say I am not going to take any sides here, but.....

1.  OXY's non-conference schedule is dog-poo
2.  On the flip side of that, it is not the players fault or the coaches fault.  Like someone said, those contracts could be 4 or 5 years old which sucks, but thats the way it is.
3.  No way in hell would I ever travel to Minnesooooooota in November or December, well maybe if the game was played in the HomerDome.
4.  Chapman needs to join the SCIAC (which I know will never happen).
5.  If anyone ever sees the tv show "Made" on MTV, the fat kid trying to play soccer is one of the funniest damn things I have ever seen.


RFB- Question for you.  Does Redlands have a lot of guys coming back next year or did they lose a lot to graduation?  I saw them play Cal Lu and they were pretty good but looked like they were a few players away.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on December 07, 2005, 09:43:02 pm
Just gotta reply to keep control of the entire west board ;D I'm being a post whore today ::)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 07, 2005, 09:57:37 pm
Thats what you have to do in order to stay out of the cold.  How do you people do it??!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on December 07, 2005, 10:37:28 pm
No, I'm sittin' here helping my wife with her econ. homework(she went back to school to be an accountant), trying to explain dollar-cost-averaging to her...community college profs aren't the best ::)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 07, 2005, 10:55:09 pm
Tom Brady,

From looking at Redlands roster they have seven starters returning on offense and around five or six on defense. I am sure Coach Maynard and his staff will be hard at work with recruiting after the holidays. They definitely need to get better in many areas.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on December 07, 2005, 11:04:51 pm
What you guy's need is more irreplaceable guy's... ;D Classic Gag's quote, "Every year we lose irreplacebale guy's, but somehow, someway we find a way to replace them. That's what you have to find-more irreplaceable guy's" ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on December 08, 2005, 12:26:10 am
Brady:  Funny you mention MTV reality shows since we've already had a Pomona D-tackle and 3rd Baseman on Dismissed
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJU92#57 on December 08, 2005, 12:37:16 am
RFB, you mean they don't have 180 guy's to choose from for replacements. WTF? is up with that.....just kiddin', finding great players year in and year out is tough.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on December 08, 2005, 01:08:52 am
Maybe Oxy's admin is smart and knows that soon as Collins is gone the Tigers will have to play the Hawaii's of the D3 world to eak out a couple of Wins.  Early SCIAC predictions.  Maynard, O boyle and Fazio have the Dwags foaming at the mouth to get back that SCIAC trophy.  And by the way I love to say again... the Bulldogs will never look as bad as Oxy did three weeks ago, at least in the playoffs..
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 08, 2005, 10:40:03 am
I could only laugh so much at what Bulldog for Life had to say about Redlands foaming from the mouth that I needed to post my two cents.....thats sick....poor puppies..

Anyway's, based on the past five years or so that Oxy has improved I have no doubt that the school will be landing more talented scholar-athletes that will like to keep the school going in a good direction. Regardless of the schedule of teams that they play, any future oxy player that steps on campus would like to keep the winning tradition. Don't get me wrong, this is a new breed of football that is being feed with the idea that football and school at take place at a good liberal arts college. I am sure they will keep this up at Oxy and continue to run at the top. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 08, 2005, 12:44:28 pm
RFB writes:  "And yes I laugh at who Oxy plays, grow some balls and play somebody. I would rather Redlands be 5-4 playing real programs then be 7-2 playing high school competition."

Glad you're happy with Redlands being an also-ran this year . . . and while I believe that Oxy will step up the quality of its competition when the contracts are up (remember that Trinity used to be an Oxy regular for a period) . . . I'll take a winning record, conference championship and playoff appearance against a tougher out of conference schedule while failing to win conference or go to the playoffs . . . but maybe that's just me.

Bulldog4Life writes:  And by the way I love to say again... the Bulldogs will never look as bad as Oxy did three weeks ago, at least in the playoffs."

Well, find your comfort where you will . . . at least Oxy was in the playoffs and, oh yes, defeated the Bulldogs in conference play if I remember correctly.

I try to teach my young son that he can excel in athletics and be part of a team by working hard, supporting his teammates, and showing some respect and class towards his opponents . . . that denigrating those with whom he competes has no place in good sportsmanship.  I also teach him that winners try to climb to the top of the heap through hard work  . . . that talking smack about those on top just shows jealously and reflects poorly on those doing it. 

Maybe I'm just too old school . . .

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 08, 2005, 02:16:12 pm
Congrats to Oxy for beating a very average Redlands team by a touchdown. What was funny is that Redlands was pretty even with Oxy talent wise with the exception of Collins. I gave Oxy props for a good effort in the playoffs but the reality is that Redlands has never been stomped like that in the playoffs. They lost three playoff games by a total of twenty points and another to the eventual National Champs by three touchdowns. The game was closer then the score as they (Wisconsin-Lacrosse) scored two touchdowns in the last five minutes. Playing in 10 degee weather and light snow was interesting. Redlands will be back, book it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2005, 02:34:59 pm
What was funny is that Redlands was pretty even with Oxy talent wise with the exception of Collins.

Well, hey, at least he doesn't play an important position or anything. :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 08, 2005, 02:39:16 pm
Pat,

Collins is the difference maker, we all know that. Redlands had its chances in the game. My point is that Oxy barely beat a down Redlands team. I want to see how Oxy reponds when Collins graduates.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 08, 2005, 02:40:45 pm
I gave Oxy props for a good effort in the playoffs but the reality is that Redlands has never been stomped like that in the playoffs. They lost three playoff games by a total of twenty points and another to the eventual National Champs by three touchdowns.
Redlands would have been slapped by Linfield, don't toy with the board and try to put doubt in anyone's mind.  Every team, even Redlands and Oxy has down years (or years where they are not where they should be).  Get off your high Redlands horse and just hope for more next year big guy.  

Try winning some playoff games.

Go Tigers!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 08, 2005, 02:42:38 pm
And when Collins graduates, we've got Justin Goltz waiting to come in and step it up.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 08, 2005, 02:57:37 pm
According to the D3Football website, the SCIAC has two playoff victories against four losses since automatic bids were introduced . . . let's see, those two victories belong to  . . . . now who was that . . . Redlands . . . no, that's not right . . . wait a minute . . . it's coming to me . . . oh yes, now I recall, the Occidental College Tigers . . . that's the ticket.  So I guess that makes Oxy what, 2-2 in the playoffs since automatic bids . . . what's Redland's record?

 ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: El Tigre on December 08, 2005, 03:54:19 pm
I would rather Redlands be 5-4 playing real programs then be 7-2 playing high school competition. Redlands will be back on top soon they have done it before.

Let me take care of this once and for all … RFB we all understand that oxy plays team that are not as high caliber as many would like to see, but it has been said before OXY CANNOT CHANGE ITS SCHEDULE TILL THE CONTRACTS EXPIRE!  I mean if it is all right with everyone can we drop this subject because I believe we have beaten it to death.  However, if you RFB if that’s to only thing you have to ride on to make oxy better than oxy given that we have beat them TWO years in a row then I understand, but I feel it a little pathetic!

Congrats to Oxy for beating a very average Redlands team by a touchdown. What was funny is that Redlands was pretty even with Oxy talent wise with the exception of Collins. I gave Oxy props for a good effort in the playoffs but the reality is that Redlands has never been stomped like that in the playoffs. They lost three playoff games by a total of twenty points and another to the eventual National Champs by three touchdowns. The game was closer then the score as they (Wisconsin-Lacrosse) scored two touchdowns in the last five minutes. Playing in 10 degee weather and light snow was interesting. Redlands will be back, book it.


All right lets start off with the Redlands vs. Oxy comment:

Univ. of Redlands...  7  14  0  3
Occidental............... 14  7  7  3

The game shows that the score were pretty much the same!  The only exception is the extra 7 points for oxy in the third quarter. If you want to say it was close because Redlands almost scored late in the fourth to tie it up then live off that until next season, but the truth is the tigers won!  The second thing is why do you now call Redlands an "average" team?  Would you like us to put an * next to the win, I mean would that make you feel warm inside?  The reality is that oxy is better that Redlands whether the score is 50-0 or 3-0 … a win is a win!  I agree with Oswald get off your Redlands high horse!  Third, we understand that Redlands has never been “stomped” in the playoffs, but you have also never won.  Last season we won two playoff games by 16 points to two very good teams and just so you don’t have to look it up we also lost to eventual national champions and the number one team in the nation by 71 points (but we weren’t the only team that Linfield did this to)

My last note is that I hope that all teams in the SCIAC get better over the off-season because it would make for better games.  RFB all we are trying to say is quit living off past stats … right now OXY is on top with a big target on their backs and we know it!

3-peat in ‘06
Get’em Tigers!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 08, 2005, 03:58:56 pm
Aren't we all bored and boarded...
if OXYCollins comes back, indeed, I predict some transfer receivers coming into Eagle Rock.

                                      8)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 08, 2005, 04:01:59 pm
Hope you're right . . . cuz he's coming back.

 8)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 08, 2005, 06:35:01 pm
Well well well, where do I begin?  I see a lot of comments back and forth between the OXY and Redlands fans.  I have an easy way to solve this all.  Just let Cal Lu take the playoff spot and get beat down by someone in the playoffs ;D.
My opinion on the whole thing is that the SCIAC seems like a conference that will be tough to build a dynasty (such as St. Johns or Mount Union) that will year in and year out dismantle the other 6-7 schools.  Why I believe this is the fact that there is sooooo many good high school football players in So. Cal that a few schools will get it's fair share of the top guys.

Oswald- I like you and the way you think but I don't agree with the comment "try winning some playoff games."  I don't really agree because the SCIAC is 2-4 in the playoffs in the past few years.  Yes, OXY did win both games but I think that is a little bit of a weak statement.  Not starting a pissing match with you though ;).

All in all, I think the SCIAC will be a very tough race next year, but OXY sure does have a leg up with Collins back.  Jones isn't too bad either though and Redlands will always be tough.  Who knows, maybe Whittier will battle for the title too.......wait, nevermind that! :D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 08, 2005, 07:12:11 pm
I say an average Redlands team compared to the Redlands teams I played on in the 90's. It really is like night and day. I know Redlands would have gotten monkey stomped in the playoffs this year. That is why they did not make the playoffs, because average teams usually don't. But the Oxy team I saw did not really impress me that much outside of Collins at quarterback. When Oxy is down they win one game or lose every game. I take comfort that 5-4 or 4-5 is a terrible year for Redlands.

As far as non-conference scheduling goes, every coach has a hand in who they play. I would just like to see Oxy step up its competition when their contracts expire with CC and L&C. It helps the SCIAC take that next step to national recognition.

Now, I knew the inevitable how many playoff games have you won call would come. My opinion is that Oxy was able to get a home date and not have to travel on the road and play the #1 seed in 2004 was a direct result of Redlands competitive, hard nosed play in their four playoff appearances. Redlands in my opinion could have won a round or two of games just like Oxy if they had a home date at the Runner in 1990,1992, 2002, or 2003. Anyone that says Redlands did not help pave the way for Oxy's playoff success in 2004 does not know DIII football very well. Remember, just my opinion.

1990 #1 Central 20, #4 Redlands 14
1992 #1 Wisc-Lacrosse 47, #4 Redlands 29 (Wisc-Lacrosse 1992 DIII National Champs)
2002 #2 St. Johns 31, #7 Redlands 24
2003 #2 Linfield 31, #7 Redlands 24

All of these were on the road and Redlands was the last seed in the West. Oxy faced this same scenario this year and we all know the result. What would have happened in 2004 if Oxy played at Linfield in the 1st round? I think we all know what the result would have been. Oh yeah, in 1990 and 1992 only sixteen teams made the dance. I think that says something about Redlands.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on December 08, 2005, 07:28:23 pm
I don't know if I just saw them on a bad day but Collins was ALL they had at Linfield this year...he got ZERO help in that game.  I'm thinking everybody may have had an off day or been intimidated or whatever...but he looked PISSED walking off the field at half time.   If it weren't for Collins that game would have been 63-0.  So RFB, you can take solace in that fact.  I don't know what's in the cupboard after Collins but they'll be tough next year still...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 08, 2005, 07:34:29 pm
Sabertooth Tiger-----Man, I have to to agree with what you posted up in a recent post. I agree that being classy needs to be the way that people should live by. But, as you can see everyone is different.  Which is fine.  That's just human nature.

All i would say about the last post is that as long as new kids can feed off the idea that they can help contribute to Oxy's  present success , get a good education, and to play football, this will take them far. Again, most of the kids that come in don't control schedules, what ranked teams they play or who they play. THey just want to contribute to keep climbing to the top.  

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 08, 2005, 07:52:50 pm
Mentone Jr. College and West Yucaipa State. Those are pretty creative. How about Crackhouse University and North LA Vato College for Oxy.

OxyBob congrats to Oxy. They can sure be proud of the 1600 yards of offense and the 100+ points they have given up to Linfield that last two years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyFan21 on December 08, 2005, 09:33:32 pm
Vato College for Oxy?   ::)...maybe you could say that about Oxy in the mid 90's, but if you take a look around the campus (or at the statistics online), certainly the multicultural numbers have decreased in Eagle Rock.

I prefer to take solace in the fact that we have consistenly been ranked in the top tier of US News, have alumni who are in top positions at the Washington Post and Red Cross and also have alumni like us fools here on this board.  That, and a Top 10 football team.

I know for a fact, if I tried to apply to Oxy now, I wouldn't have gotten in and probably would have ended up at...well...

As has been said previously, contracts are contracts.  We can't get out of them until they are done.

All in good fun, it certainly has proven to be a lively start to the off-season on here.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 08, 2005, 10:05:27 pm
OxyFan21 reminded me of this little ditty:

Don't send my boy to Harvard, the dying mother said.
Don't send my boy to U.S.C., I'd rather see him dead!

But send him to ol' Oxy, 'tis better than Cornell,
and rather than Pomona, I'd see my boy in...SCRIPPS!
 8)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 08, 2005, 11:33:05 pm
The SCIAC schools do have a stellar academic reputation. I wouldn't trade my education or experience at Redlands for anything.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 08, 2005, 11:34:23 pm
Some more than others

 ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on December 09, 2005, 12:15:09 am
Everyone is right...Oxy has had a great run with Collins.  I do not recall Oxy beating Redlands by 4 or more lately and that is with Collins at the helm.  As much as I like the the other SCIAC schools, the only number that matters is 9 in 16 and the rest of my Bulldogs will understand.  Oxy will revert to old form after Collins leaves, but the team that I am worried about next year is CalLu.  They are going to be a bunched of pissed off Regals.  For all the smart people on the boards, their is already a JC in Mentone called Crafton Hills College. ::)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 09, 2005, 12:28:33 am
Let's see...

it would even up the SCIAC for you guys..........how long would Andy have to sit out if he transfered to LINFIELD?
                                               ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 09, 2005, 12:35:17 am
Depends on how many D-1 bouncebacks they have lined up...

 ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 09, 2005, 12:41:53 am
 :o  Holy Crap!!!!!  Was that.....wait a second.....I think it was......somebody actually said something good about Cal Lu (except the whole Regals thing) :o

What is this board coming to??!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 09, 2005, 02:51:06 am
:o  Holy Crap!!!!!  Was that.....wait a second.....I think it was......somebody actually said something good about Cal Lu (except the whole Regals thing) :o

What is this board coming to??!!
It scared me too....


Cal who...


I feel better
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 09, 2005, 03:54:11 am
All Western Region Team

Offense
First Team:
Josh Jones WR

Third Team:
Andy Collins QB
Alfredo Gamiz T

Defense
Second Team:
Mike Bryant LB

Great Job Tigers!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 09, 2005, 10:41:18 am
I have been following SCIAC football closely for the last 15 years.  I'd like to make a couple of observations based on my experience with the conference.

1) I've never had any reason to question the class or integrity of either Redlands or Oxy.
2) Redlands has been the dominant program in that time.  Others have had brief runs (Whittier even had a great team in 1997).  Nobody else can claim the kind of consistent quality in the conference that Redlands can.  Redlands may not have won any playoff games, but they also never got to play the second place NWC team at home in the first round either (I give Oxy all the credit in the world for their win at Concordia). I know the last two years have been down years for Redlands - but it says a lot that a combined 9-9 record means two down years.
3) Oxy and Cal Lu have been similar teams in that time.  Middle of the pack with a strong season thrown in every 3-4 years.  Over the last two years both Oxy and Cal Lu have experienced more success than at any other time in the 15 years I've been watching.  If they can continue this success it will only serve to make the conference stronger which is something we'd all love to see.

I'm glad to have so many new and enthusiastic Oxy supporters on the board - but you need to understand why many of us who are long term observers of the SCIAC are somewhat skeptical about Oxy's chances for continued success without Collins.  Other teams have enjoyed 2-3 year runs before, especially on the shoulders of a player as special as Collins.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 09, 2005, 10:50:05 am
One more thought.  Some of you may find RFB's tenacity in sticking up for his Dogs aggravating, but he deserves a lot of credit as a poster.  He has been on this board for a very long time (even when his team is down, which is extremely rare), is quick to offer praise to schools other than Redlands when they succeed, and is to be admired for his pride and faith in his alma mater.

And please remember, no matter how much hot air you may think RFB is full of, the problem with the Hindenberg was hydrogen ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 09, 2005, 11:53:44 am
Way over my head with that last comment :o :D

Things look back to normal now after I was shocked last night by a positive comment about the Lu. 

I have been a SCIAC guy for about 8 years and will say the only team that has year in and year out been a very tough team is none other than Redlands.  OXY is a strong program now, but I wouldn't look for them to start any dominant run like some other schools in the country have.  Just my opinion.   One last thing, thank god we don't live in Minnesota :D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 09, 2005, 12:17:00 pm
In the meantime, Oxy rules and you don't.

Bob - a compelling retort in the face of historical evidence ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 09, 2005, 12:34:54 pm
I've been following Oxy football for over 30 years now, I'm well aware of the ups and downs the program has had in that time, and have a pretty good historical perspective as well.  We never beat Cal Lu or Redlands when I played . . . this was before Cal Lu was in the SCIAC and they regularly romped . . . our games with Redlands were always very close, but fell to the 'Dogs . . . I have no idea what the future holds in store for my Tigers . . . Collins is surely an unusual asset and Oxy is going to have to recruit very well this year to repeat an undefeated season (pre-playoff) . . . and, in fact, I don't think Oxy will ever field a team as regularly dominating as Linfield, Mt. Union, Rowan or others of that ilk . . . I could be wrong, but I don't see the SCIAC becoming a dominant league for all the reasons already discussed (community college options, cost of attending and so forth) . . .

I will, however, remain a fan of the orange and black to my dying day . . . I mean heck, what are my choices?   USC, UCLA or Oxy . . . there's really no question.   :D

I just think we can be good fans of our alma maters, SCIAC and DIII w/o the tinge of bitterness that pops up now and again while giving props where props are due.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 09, 2005, 12:36:22 pm
Oh yea, and I'm new to the board because I didn't know about the board until the end of last year.

And in the spirit of giving props . . . congratulations to Redlands for being the only other SCIAC team to have a player named to the West Region team, Brad Smith, 3rd Team Defense.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 09, 2005, 01:00:47 pm
Well done Bob, I guess we just have different views regarding periodization :D And I have different ideas about how the 2006 Oxy-Cal Lu matchup mught turn out. ;)

Sabretooth-
Interesting thoughts on the JC issue as it relates to the inability of the SCIAC to have a program like St. John's.  I think that the SCIAC also suffers because many folks in SoCal don't understand the added value of being a student in residence at a small liberal arts school vs. living at home and attending a JC or Cal State.  The costs seem overwhelming and people don't even bother applying for financial aid.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: El Tigre on December 09, 2005, 01:03:01 pm
First off: Congrats to all the men who made the all west regional team ... they definitely deserve some praise for their hard work.

Second:  I do commend RFB for supporting his team through all the ups and downs.  I only hope that I will be on this site for years to come to support the oxy family that I am a part of.  I don't mind RFB sticking up for his team ... I would do the same thing, but he needs to let some things go that we have no chance of changing at this point in time. In addition, I hope oxy does change its schedule to a more higher caliber team.  It would help improve the quality of the program.

Third: As far as oxy's "continued success" without Collins!  I think that the oxy players over the past two season has set somethings in motion for oxy and with Collins coming back I think they will have another good season past which will help foster that mentality.  Past that I dont really know, but I do know this ... the younger guys got a taste of greatness over the past two seasons and they wont give it up without a fight.  

Fifth:  Yes Redlands has dominated the SCIAC over the past 15 years and I commend them for that, however, with Cal Lu and Oxy lurking in the shadows and just recently making their presence. I think that the conference is in for a good fight over the next five years.  To be honest I couldn't be more on the edge of my seat in anticipation for next season.  

I know I am new to the board and I don't want to challange the knowlegde you have for the SCIAC all I want to do is give my two cents here and there. 

I just think we can be good fans of our alma maters, SCIAC and DIII w/o the tinge of bitterness that pops up now and again while giving props where props are due.

To Sabretooth Tiger,
O.C. Rah!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 09, 2005, 01:15:13 pm
Scandi, you're dead on right.  In fact, Oxy's biggest competitor is not any other SCIAC school, but rather the UC system.  We lose a ton of students to the UC's based on (1) cost and (2) the live on campus issue (which is a corallary to the cost issue).  For those who don't know, frosh have to live on campus . . . sophomores used to be required to as well, don't know if that's the case any more.

At any rate, a lot of kids go to UCs and play intramurals instead of DIII based on the bucks.  They don't know what their missing. ???
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 09, 2005, 01:40:37 pm
Scandihoovian,

Thanks for the props, I have definitely enjoyed your posts and takes on the SCIAC and DIII football. Everyone remember it is all in good fun, but I suspect Eagle Rock College of Administrative Assistants will fall on their faces real soon.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: I.E. Tiger on December 09, 2005, 02:47:36 pm
Just wanted to congratulate all the tigers that received All SCIAC and Western Region recognition, good work guys.

As far as all of you that think Oxy can't be a dominate team without Collins at the helm, last I checked in 2001 Andy was still in high school, yet Oxy still managed to field a pretty decent if I remeber correctly.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 09, 2005, 04:12:23 pm
First off, congrats to the OXY and Redlands players that made the all-region teams.

OxyBob- Pretty classic name; "Mt. Clef Jr. High"  Props for that one. :D  I like to think of Cal Lu as "The univ. of spoiled children north" or "City of spoiled moms that drive Escalades after going to the gym and hitting up Starbucks while wearing tight black workout pants and a sports bra University."

Good to see that everyone is alive on the Left Coast.  Things sure do seem more friendly without LigerLover on here ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 09, 2005, 04:33:20 pm
Brady-

I'll applaud that one.  I don't think of the Cal Lu kids as particularly spoiled but the "mom Escalade" bit was hilarious.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 09, 2005, 04:44:54 pm
Mr. Brady:  Excellent post.   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coco on December 09, 2005, 09:28:12 pm
This board is much improved with the departure of Liger Lover.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 10, 2005, 06:24:09 am
Why's everybody hating on Liger?  I thought he brought some life to the board....  ??? ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Le Tigre on December 10, 2005, 06:25:00 am
We all know Andy Collins is a diamond in the ruff for any DIII school, but many people seem to have forgotten Justin Elway who steppedin as a frosh, a year before Collins even considered Oxy.  Elway in 8 games averaged 139 yards and was 84 for 144 and had a completion rating of 58.3%. He threw for 1116 yards with 14 TD's and 7 int's. This was after taking over for the All Conference Tyler Paopao during the second quarter of the tigers 14-28 loss to Pomona. He would go on to lead the Tigers to a 7-2 overall record and 4-2 second place SCIAC finish. Also that was a year in which Redlands beat Oxy by only four points,the final being Redlands 18 Oxy 14, but lost to Claremont 20-6, a year in which Oxy beat Claremont 33-10.  Redlands then went on to lose to Linfield in the first round 31-23, a good 17 of those points being against the second team defense,with Linfield starting their second team defense after a 21-0 halftime lead.

Just a side note; Oxy had 6 1st Team All SCIAC players and 4 Second Teamers while Redlands had five first teamers and 5 second teamers after the 2003 season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 10, 2005, 01:11:32 pm
We all know Andy Collins is a diamond in the ruff for any DIII school, but many people seem to have forgotten Justin Elway who steppedin as a frosh, a year before Collins even considered Oxy.  
That's a great point, I'd also like to add that I felt OXY's loss to Chapman in the '04 season had a lot to do with Quarterback controversy.  Elway being the starter due to the '03 season and the arrival of Collins cause some turmoil in the depth chart, and OXY never got any rythem. 
We obviously know who ended up the starter for the remainder of a great season for the Tigers, but I believe Elway was a great QB too and had a strong arm.  Obviously not the mobility of Collins, but never-the-less would have been a great player for the Tigers.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 10, 2005, 03:55:22 pm
Le Tigre,

You're full of it. Linfield did not put in their second team defense with a 21-0 lead. I listened to the whole game and they had their starters in the whole time. Don't try to pull that crap and try to justify why Redlands played Linfield closer than Oxy has the last two years. Sounds like you're just a little embarrased about Oxy getting monkey stomped the last two years at the CatDome. Nice try though.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on December 10, 2005, 06:23:02 pm
Redlands is in good hands with the posters on this board, in fact most are pretty intelligent.  Except for some posters from the Glendale School of Crashtest Dummies. ;D

What does Cal Lu returnt as far a talent?  With the Stagg bowl being all purple, the Regals might have color on their side, but they will find a way to screw it up.  Word on the street is that Collins is foregoing his last year of elgibility because GM has rated him pretty high, if you know what I mean. :D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Le Tigre on December 10, 2005, 09:42:11 pm
Whether or not Collins decides to use his final year of eligiability or not (which I am pretty sure he will), Oxy will be in good hands with back up QB Justin Goltz at the helm. Goltz is a 6'5 220lb freshman from Mich, with a cannon for an arm, great field field vision and is very mobile for his height. Plays very similar to Elway but with a 4 inch advantage allowing him a better view of the field and can make plays on the run. By no means am I saying that he will be as dominate as Collins, but he can and will make plays, so dont sleep on the Tigers once Collins is gone.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Le Tigre on December 10, 2005, 10:19:55 pm
Everyone is right...Oxy has had a great run with Collins.  I do not recall Oxy beating Redlands by 4 or more lately and that is with Collins at the helm. 

The last 3 times that Oxy has beaten Redlands it has been by more than 4 each time:

2001- Redlands 17 Oxy 24, 7 point sread (Paopao at QB)
2004- Oxy 42 Redlands 28, 15 point spread (Collins at QB)
2005- Redlands24 Oxy 31, 7 point spread  (Collins at QB)

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 11, 2005, 02:13:18 am
Well at least you got those facts right. Can't say the same for your imaginery post about Linfield putting in their second string defense against Redlands in a playoff game. Once again, nice try though.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 11, 2005, 04:21:44 pm
Lemme stir the pot a bit.
When I see Redlands in print I still think of the giant powerhouse Redlands HIGH School when there was only 1 large school division in the Southern Section California  Interscholastic Federation. Where has that program gone? Is LINFIELD's sister school headed that way?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 11, 2005, 05:25:18 pm
I can answer this question. Redlands High School used to be the largest school, population wise West of the Mississippi. They had over 5000 students and yes they were a power in football. Redlands East Valley opened in 1997 and took half of the school and is now the power in football, although Redlands is still strong.

As for the University of Redlands, although they are down right now I can say with much confidence that they will be back on top real soon. They won three straight SCIAC titles(1990-1992) and then Laverne had their run winning three straight(1993-1995). Redlands was still strong though in that time period(1993:6-3/1994:6-2-1/1995:4-5). Redlands then in 1996(My senior season) beat an undefeated Laverne team in the last game of the year on their field for the SCIAC title in overtime.

Redlands in the nine years since have won 5 SCIAC titles with two playoff appearances. The same coach is at the helm and knows how to "Get It Done". So yes the Dawgs will be back sooner probably then later.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Le Tigre on December 11, 2005, 08:24:22 pm
In an effort to turn the focus of SCIAC from the 80's and 90's to the new millenium and possibly spark some conversation about what happend to teams who may had a great year before but fell off the following year, here are the final SCIAC standings for the top three teams from the turn of the century, 2000 to the present:

2000: Redlands 5-0, 7-2; Whittier 4-1, 4-5; Oxy 2-3, 5-4
2001: Oxy 5-0, 8-1; Cal Lu 3-2, 6-3; Redlands 3-2, 5-3
2002: Redlands 5-0, 7-3; CMS 4-1, 7-2; Cal Lu 3-2, 4-5
2003: Redlands 5-1, 6-4; Oxy 4-2; 7-2; CMS 4-2, 6-3
2004: Oxy 6-0, 10-2; Cal Lu 4-2, 6-3; La Verne 3-3, 4-5
2005: Oxy 6-0,  9-1; Cal Lu 5-1, 8-1; Redlands 4-2, 5-4

So it seems that since the new millenium, Oxy and Redlands have had dominance over the SCIAC, each team with 3 conference titles in the past 6 years. Although Cal Lu has been right on their heels finishing a close second three of those year. I would venture to say that Cal Lu might surprise some people next year. It will be a great game when Cal Lu takes the half a day trip out to Redlands, and when the Tigers head out to T.O. Cal Lu is 2-1 vs. Oxy at the Kingsman Stadium (not sure what it is called). I know many of you remember the 2002 Mud Bowl in which Cal Lu beat Oxy 6-0, boy that was one sloppy game...

Get'em Tigers
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 12, 2005, 01:19:13 am
Cal Lu is 2-1 vs. Oxy at the Kingsman Stadium (not sure what it is called). I know many of you remember the 2002 Mud Bowl in which Cal Lu beat Oxy 6-0, boy that was one sloppy game...

Get'em Tigers
I believe it is Mt. Clef Stadium
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 12, 2005, 10:39:25 am
I noticed that the UWW game was delayed an hour so that the ground crew could properly prepare the field.

I'll bet that some old Oxy players wish the same thing had happened a few years ago in their famous game with Central. :-X
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 12, 2005, 11:51:31 am
Le tigre------I'm glad that you put this info up. A while ago, i had mentioned this to some Redlands posters on the board and all they would bring up was the 80's as well as the early and late 90's. I told them that yes, in deed, they should be commended for having such a good program during these  years. But, they could never let go of the past and see that a new pidegree of football was being established at other schools besides Redlands.

I remember these past years fondly as being years in which most SCIAC schools still have goals of taking out the top team of the league. This is why a lot of teams started changing coaches, recuirting methods and programs that would gear them to the top.

So all i say is yes, live in the present. Learn from the past.


In an effort to turn the focus of SCIAC from the 80's and 90's to the new millenium and possibly spark some conversation about what happend to teams who may had a great year before but fell off the following year, here are the final SCIAC standings for the top three teams from the turn of the century, 2000 to the present:

2000: Redlands 5-0, 7-2; Whittier 4-1, 4-5; Oxy 2-3, 5-4
2001: Oxy 5-0, 8-1; Cal Lu 3-2, 6-3; Redlands 3-2, 5-3
2002: Redlands 5-0, 7-3; CMS 4-1, 7-2; Cal Lu 3-2, 4-5
2003: Redlands 5-1, 6-4; Oxy 4-2; 7-2; CMS 4-2, 6-3
2004: Oxy 6-0, 10-2; Cal Lu 4-2, 6-3; La Verne 3-3, 4-5
2005: Oxy 6-0,  9-1; Cal Lu 5-1, 8-1; Redlands 4-2, 5-4

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on December 12, 2005, 12:29:45 pm
Congratulations to Mike Bryant on making the Aztec bowl.  I played against him, but do not remember him.  He may have been hurt.  Is he playing safety because he thinks his pro stock will rise?  Also, I ment to say that the Bulldogs have not lost by 40+ points to the Tigres.  Revenge of the Bulldogs in 2006.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 12, 2005, 04:16:04 pm
Congratulations to Mike Bryant on making the Aztec bowl.  Is he playing safety because he thinks his pro stock will rise? 
Still playing outside linebacker.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 12, 2005, 05:27:36 pm
Here's a song I don't expect to hear in the near future. :D

Cal Tech
"Fight for California Tech"

Fight men of California Tech
Fight, Fight and win
Win men for California Tech
Rush the foe again,
RAH! RAH! RAH!
Smash the line of our old enemy
Bring home the victory
Fight men of California Tech
For noble C.I.T.

I guess I have too much time on my hands.  ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 12, 2005, 05:37:46 pm
Cal Tech should fold all athletic programs.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on December 12, 2005, 05:46:34 pm
Congratulations to Mike Bryant on making the Aztec bowl.  Is he playing safety because he thinks his pro stock will rise? 
Still playing outside linebacker.

Oxy Oswald - The press release says he will be playing DB. Also if you check out the AFCA website, he is listed as a DB.

Per the OXY roster, he is 6'3", 230#  - I know he can hit and tackle - I didn't see him play - is he quick/nimble enough to play Strong Safety?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 12, 2005, 06:00:24 pm
Oxy Oswald - The press release says he will be playing DB. Also if you check out the AFCA website, he is listed as a DB.

Per the OXY roster, he is 6'3", 230#  - I know he can hit and tackle - I didn't see him play - is he quick/nimble enough to play Strong Safety?
Did not see that, guess its true then.  Mike is one of the best all around athletes at Occidental, so I see him doing great things in the Aztec Bowl.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2005, 06:18:34 pm
Congratulations to Mike Bryant on making the Aztec bowl.  Is he playing safety because he thinks his pro stock will rise? 
Still playing outside linebacker.

I queried the AFCA on this and they said he will be playing a rover position, which they listed as a generic DB and I clarified as a safety on our roster list this morning.

As you know, that kind of makes both statements correct, depending on how they use him.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 12, 2005, 06:24:00 pm
RFB writes:  "Cal Tech should fold all athletic programs."

Why?  This is from their website:

"Caltech athletics (like much else about this place) have their own special character--which is directly related to the character of Techers themselves. It’s telling that, even though Caltech could never be mistaken for a jock school, all 200 of our varsity athletes were named Sports Ethics Fellows by the Institute for International Sport in 2003. Why? Because they are (in the words of IIS director Daniel Doyle) "a group of young people who face formidable academic pressure and who value their sports experience for reasons that transcend winning. . . . Their lessons are learned . . . from teamwork, developing friendships, managing time, and turning the disappointment of frequent losses into a resolve to do better the next game." It’s a tenet of Tech life that anyone who wants to participate in sports should be given the opportunity."

So RFB, I know that you are a devoted Redlands fan and you like to throw your jibes at other programs from time to time . . .but why, in your opinion, should Cal Tech students be deprived of the opportunity to participate in sports like the rest of us? 

Personally, I say more power to them . . . they have my utmost admiration for coming back and playing against great adversity . . . while many of us had hopes of playing for championship hardware . . . though maybe not earning such . . . these guys come back solely for the enjoyment of competing.  That's pretty cool my my book.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 12, 2005, 06:47:15 pm
ST,

You make some good points, but here are my reasons.

1. Cal Tech stopped fielding competitive teams a very long time ago. I would be probably be accurate in saying that it has been multiple decades. I want the SCIAC as a conference to keep building its national profile. With Cal Tech in the mix, it hurts to attain that goal.


2. I understand wanting your students to experience athletics, it helps a person develop in a competitive arena. This could easily be attained within an intramural or club environment at Cal Tech.



Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 12, 2005, 07:17:33 pm
Hey Sabertooth, with any luck Cal Tech will start a top-notch football program.  :o

Making the entire conference more intellectual.  I say let them play intermurals and quit messing around.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on December 13, 2005, 01:29:32 pm
RFB, as fans of the Bulldogs, we should want Cal Tech to keep fielding athletic teams because our Basketball team needs a couple conference wins a year.  As far as Bryant playing DB, if Matt Groettegoed could not hack it in the league than their is no way Bryant can make that switch.
Bulldogs in '06
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 13, 2005, 02:25:59 pm
Bulldog,

I agree, Redlands basketball stinks. Bryant is a very good player, but making the transistion to the NFL is a very tough one. He might be able to catch on to the CFL, AFL, or maybe Europe. Good luck to him.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on December 13, 2005, 07:42:01 pm
Chance of Bryant making it in the pros, at any level, is limited.  I don't know how good a safety he is (I know Air Force recruited him), but he plays pretty soft at linebacker.  Personal observation: saw him get completely shut down by Pomona's right tackle, a kid who had just that week returned from a 7-week long recovery from a tear in his knee.  I'm not knocking Bartesch (ended up being named first team) but if you can't dominate a D3 tackle who just came back from that long a lay-off, there's no chance of going pro. 

This speaks to a general problem I have with event like the Aztec Bowl.  While I love the general concept, I think that all to often it become a numbers-based vote rather then skill.  For every knowledgeble voter like Pat, there's someone who's only going to look at the physical tools.  For example, Wil Goff from Redlands a few years ago.  He was what, 6' 5", 275 D1 bounceback?  Not to say he wasn't good, but one of the best D3 players in the country would be a MAJOR stretch.  Anyone that does not flat-out dominate with physical size like that is simply not as good a player as someone who is say 6'. 240, but who dominates.  My beef is that Goff-type players will get chosen all the time over someone who might have had a better case for going, simply because they don't make the roster look as good on paper.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 13, 2005, 09:35:00 pm
Sagecock,

One game does not make a player. Bryant is deserving of his awards and has earned his selection to the Aztec Bowl. The way you keep plugging your Pomona boys one would think that Pomona has been a top program in the SCIAC. There is no need to take away from players like Bryant and Goff, both were outstanding.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 13, 2005, 10:11:02 pm
ST,

You make some good points, but here are my reasons.

1. Cal Tech stopped fielding competitive teams a very long time ago. I would be probably be accurate in saying that it has been multiple decades. I want the SCIAC as a conference to keep building its national profile. With Cal Tech in the mix, it hurts to attain that goal.

2. I understand wanting your students to experience athletics, it helps a person develop in a competitive arena. This could easily be attained within an intramural or club environment at Cal Tech.


So if the SCIAC wants to raise their athletic profile, they are always free to kick them out.

Have you ever considered that they might want them for their academic profile?  SOME schools DO think about academics! ;D

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 13, 2005, 10:39:12 pm
The rest of the SCIAC schools are all outstanding academic universities. They do not need Cal Tech to establish their academic credentials.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 13, 2005, 10:52:13 pm
Never said they did - but I doubt that CalTech LOWERS your academic average! ;)

For those wondering why CalTech is still in the SCIAC, may I suggest that as a possibility?!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 14, 2005, 10:41:32 am
Sagecoack---RFB made some good points regarding some recent players that made it to the Aztec bowl. Eventhough Goff was a bounceback(?) he did manage to get his job done in the trenches. As for Bryant, just because you think he didn't do well against a pomona linemen doesn't mean he shouldn't be selected to the bowl. Have you even considered that maybe his gameplan  required him to secure a certain area on the field? Maybe he was responsible for covering an area that contained the torn up linemen?  Chances are you might not know what the plan was.

The coaches in the league deemed him the defensive of player of the year for three years. Deal with it. Your coach at pomona probabily didn't have a choice to argue that bryant was deemed alright to do his best at that position. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 14, 2005, 07:48:17 pm
Last time I checked we were talking about Cal Tech athletics, not academics.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sagecock on December 14, 2005, 08:46:54 pm
Browneagle and RFB:  I think you somewhat missed the point of what I was trying to say.  The Aztec Bowl is supposedly the best d3 players in the country.  I never said that Bryant and Goff weren't good players, they most certainly were, but if you're selecting what amounts to an All-Star team you should have all-stars, players who out-and-out dominate at their respective positions.   Neither Goff nor Bryant accomplished that.  You can point to game plans if you like eagle, and it's a perfectly valid argument, but even if the game plan involved him keeping the backside secure from cut-back, thus eliminating the backside pursuit tackles he was known for, it does not excuse getting controlled when the play was run directly at him.  Second, the coaches in the league certainly did vote him defensive player of year, and if you think that politics plays no role in that process I've got a bridge in brooklyn to sell to you.  And judging from the statistics they certainly played a role.  The point is, the defensive player of the year in SCIAC should be a player who not only dominated the opposition, but represents the crucial element of a teams defense, Bryant was neither of those things this year, in past years, he might very well have been, but this year?  No.

Comment on CalTech athletics:  those kids love the game, have the most fun out of probably anyone in SCAIC and develop interpersonal skills that many kids at their school sorely lack.  That being said there is something to be said for competitiveness.  Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think CalTech has won a single SCIAC athletic contest in about 10 years.  So basically, what do you value?  Letting kids who will never get a chance to play sports again compete and develop as people, or having a "stonger conference?"  (which while I see the argument for, I fail to see how allowing a team to remain at th bottom of the league hurts the conference, especially if everybody knows that they will always remain there, and therefore adjusts their perceptions of a team's record)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 15, 2005, 12:01:22 pm
Sagecock-  I really think you have a much different outlook on things than the rest of us.  First off, Bryant is OBVIOUSLY doing something right if he has been D POY for three straight years.  Political choice or not, he is still doing enough to make the other coaches vote for him.  No matter how much you think Pomona players "dominated" Bryant, his team was the SCIAC Champs, and that is enough on that.

Now reguarding the whole Cal Tech issue....they have won SCIAC games in the past 10 years.  I know they have won a few games in soccer and maybe some Water Polo or other "Non-Major" sports (I DO NOT mean to say those sports are not important, just not the major ones). 

#2 On the Cal Tech issue- I can guarentee those kids don't have the most fun out of athletes in the SCIAC.  I played in the SCIAC and didn't have a care in the world.  I partied my ass off and loved every second of it.  I was lucky I didn't have to go to class at Cal Tech cause my college days would have been very short. 

Hope all is well with the fans out there.  Been traveling a little too much.  Looking forward to the Stagg Bowl this Sat.  Now if I only wake up in time to see it, unlike last year when the office X-Mas party went a little longer than expected....like 10 hours too long ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 15, 2005, 12:16:49 pm
Tom---- Don't party to early just yet man. Christmas and New Years are just around the corner. Anyways, i think your last post answered the debate that was brought up straight to the point. There is doubt about what you had to say so i agree with what you had to say.

As for the Cal tech----Just kill the issue. I am glad they do have sports. And yes, they have won games in soccer or water polo. You should see their parties that they throw after winning a game. FYI, their parties are really upscale and really sociable. They have waiters and bartenders serving you food and drinks.
So i am glad that they win games and have parties like this. At the least, this can teach them how to be sociable people.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 15, 2005, 01:03:32 pm

As for the Cal tech----Just kill the issue.

I agree
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rbaikie on December 15, 2005, 01:14:58 pm
Browneagle and RFB:  I think you somewhat missed the point of what I was trying to say.  The Aztec Bowl is supposedly the best d3 players in the country. 

Sagecock -

I think you are reaching a little. To say htat is like saying the Senior Bowl or the Hula Bowl is the best of D1A college football players.

First, it can't be all of the best for a couple of reasons - It is held the same day as the Stagg Bowl - making it impossible for players from the final four teams.

Second, players and coaches can make choices. I know of a number of players who may or may not been invited who opted for other opportunities. For example, Nate Jackson from Menlo College a couple of years ago - was slated to play in the Shrine Game - now a back up Tight End for Denver - not an Aztec Bowl participant. Neither is Bret Elliot of Linfield. Also, I don't know how closely the coachs' selections for the roster match with those eligible seniors that would be on all-region or all-american teams.

I think it would be better to say that the Aztec Bowl roster is representative of some of the best senior D3 players in the country. It may be semantics, but there are always personal opinions.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on December 15, 2005, 01:36:13 pm

I think it would be better to say that the Aztec Bowl roster is representative of some of the best senior D3 players in the country.

rbaikie,

Nice post, this is spot on.

Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 15, 2005, 02:21:04 pm
BrownEagle-  Never too early to party.  My opinion is that the entire month of December is free game for holiday parties since Thanksgiving is right before Dec. and Chrismahaunakwanzaka is in december.  Therefore, I declare the entire month of December as holiday party month.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on December 15, 2005, 06:09:08 pm
BrownEagle-  Never too early to party.  My opinion is that the entire month of December is free game for holiday parties since Thanksgiving is right before Dec. and Chrismahaunakwanzaka is in december.  Therefore, I declare the entire month of December as holiday party month.

I second that......
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 15, 2005, 07:22:35 pm
Brady---That makes sense then. I usually call Janurary my party month. I know that i will be partying with people from Texas and USC at the Rosebowl tailgates. Since the rosebowl is practically in my backyard, i usually don't have trouble finding people that are cool as hell to let me join them in tailgating. I've done this since i was in highschool.

Any SCIAC fans going to the big game on Jan 4 at the Rosebowl?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 15, 2005, 08:53:43 pm
Any SCIAC fans going to the big game on Jan 4 at the Rosebowl?
The thought had crossed my mind, but to be honest the closest I'll get to the game is the parking lot for a tailgate or a bar with some buddies.  I will say though, there is nothing like being at a big D1 game, the stadium is always juiced.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on December 16, 2005, 09:33:54 am
With the party talk going on, I just want to remind everyone to be safe and be smart. Tomorrow I will be attending the burial of a young man I was lucky enough to coach in high school waterpolo. He went on to be an All-American, team captain, and win 2 National Championships in waterpolo at UCLA. He leaves behind a wife and 2 year old daughter. It wasn't his doing. Some idiot blew through a red light and slammed into his car.  >:(

Please, have a safe and happy holidays.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 16, 2005, 10:29:52 am
Amen to that Cawcdad........

I will be walking to the rosebowl. Its only about five blocks away from my home.  No need to drive and get into traffic or big problems. Just good old times at what seems to be some good tailgating.

 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on December 16, 2005, 11:58:10 am
With the party talk going on, I just want to remind everyone to be safe and be smart. Tomorrow I will be attending the burial of a young man I was lucky enough to coach in high school waterpolo. He went on to be an All-American, team captain, and win 2 National Championships in waterpolo at UCLA. He leaves behind a wife and 2 year old daughter. It wasn't his doing. Some idiot blew through a red light and slammed into his car.  >:(

Please, have a safe and happy holidays.

Sorry to hear that....prayers are with the family
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 16, 2005, 12:21:54 pm
What channel will the Stagg Bowl be broadcast on?

ESPN 2?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on December 16, 2005, 12:51:14 pm
What channel will the Stagg Bowl be broadcast on?

ESPN 2?

Yes ESPN 2. Early. I think it starts at 8am
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on December 16, 2005, 12:58:50 pm
Don't need to get up that early tez, staring time is 1 p.m. eastern, 10 pacific on the deuce, ESPN2.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on December 16, 2005, 01:02:40 pm
Don't need to get up that early tez, staring time is 1 p.m. eastern, 10 pacific on the deuce, ESPN2.

thats good
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coco on December 16, 2005, 01:05:44 pm
cawcdad,

You have our sympathies.
Those are tough ones.

The Cocos
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 17, 2005, 04:23:32 am
OK Folks, just stumbled in from the old Chrismahaunakwanzaka Office party, and I must say it was a swell time.  We had it all, booze, hot ladies sitting on the copy machine, a clown, Me,  a Donkey (otherwise known as me), the always bitter people who get waaaaaaaaaaaaay to drunk at a holiday party.....you get the idea. Here is a picture of me standing outside the office today...

 So I was wandering along on the information super-highway and I went to the Cal Lu home page to see what time they were playing in the Stagg Bowl tomorrow and I came across the best news I have heard in a long ass time....check it out.

http://ww2.clunet.edu/news/news_detail.php?news_story_id=2555

Maybe they will get someone that has actually picked up a foot, base, or basketball in his (or her) lifetime that will get it done at the 'Lu.  Happy Stagg Bowl Day to the rest of you...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coco on December 17, 2005, 04:30:40 am
Gee, Tom, are you happy?
Seriously, I hope this is good news for Cal Lu. It's certainly an opportunity for them.

We had our party tonight, too, but it's still called a Christmas party.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 17, 2005, 01:50:24 pm
Lotsa luck Luther.  :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 17, 2005, 05:42:03 pm
Great game today from the Stagg Bowl.  Congrats to Mt. Union, they played a hell of a game.  That Nate Kmic is a great back, its hard to believe that he's a true freshmen.  Then again, Beaver is a hell of a back too and he's a soph.

I didn't get to listen to the Aztec Bowl but a friend gave me the short and dirty version -- Mike Bryant had a few tackles (around 5ish), a big hit on the opening kick-off, and blocked a punt that resulted in a safety for the US.  The US won 53-15 over Mexico.  Great day Mike, awesome job.

Back to Back to Back SCIAC Champs in '06
Go Tigers!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 18, 2005, 05:07:18 pm
Based on my experience with President Luedtke I guess I'd describe him as "athletically neutral".  I never saw him as a real pro-athletics president but I also never observed any real anti-athletics behavior either.  So while I don't fully agree with Tom's assessment, I do agree that there is room for greater support for the athletic programs from the administration.

The university is in the process of finalizing the search for a new provost, and when you look at that in combination with the upcoming presidential search it is clear that there is great potential for change at CLU - especially as it approaches its 50th anniversary, a time often thought of as the end of institutional adolesence.  It will indeed be interesting to see where things go from here.

I do think that the completion of the new athletic facilities will make CLU more attractive to candidates who take a favorable view of the role of sports in a liberal arts education, and therefore make it more likely that CLU will end up with a pro-athletics president
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on December 19, 2005, 12:33:24 pm
Looks like the Aztec bowl was won by the U.S. in a landslide. I hope all the seniors that had the opportunity to play had fun. Congrats to Mike Byrant for representing the school at the game. Best of luck to him and his future.

To all of you SCIAC fans and frequent posters, Happy Holidays. Hope that you guys spend it well and wise. Good luck to everyone during the offseason. I was great chatting with all of you through good and bad post..
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 19, 2005, 02:08:56 pm
Hello All, now I know I am going to take some abuse for asking this, but I really am wondering how OXY stays at #9 after getting smoked in the first round?  Like I said, not trying to take anything away here cause they had a great year.  Just wondering...thoughts??
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 19, 2005, 02:12:27 pm
Because their season was brutally cut short by playing LINFIELD at home first round? Sympathy? Probably start at 9 next year too?
Shame Collins cannot be seen by east of the Rockies.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 19, 2005, 02:16:01 pm
I guess thats a pretty darn good reason.  I am sure they could have done pretty good in the playoffs if they would have played some of the Patsy's that made it. ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 19, 2005, 02:52:13 pm
I'm thinking that there are a number of western teams that wish they'd been seeded in Wesley's region.

 ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 19, 2005, 02:58:41 pm
Well put, Sabretooth, although I think Wesley does deserve some props for beating UMHB.  Seems like the wheels really came off when they played UWW.

It's too bad the Whitewater kids had a couple of quarters where they looked stunned just to be there - it's hard to believe that Saturday was the best representation of how good they were this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 19, 2005, 06:18:44 pm
Well, Bob, look at it this way.  The only other team in the Top 16 (there were, after all, only 16 teams left after the first round) that lost a first round playoff game is North Central at #16.  Wesley won an entire region and came in behind Oxy.  The fact that Cal Lu got little respect in the final national poll is something we all expect after the way the playoff selections went down - I don't see how it supports any kind of argument for why Oxy should stay at #9, especially as the Kingsmen were the only team Oxy beat this year with a record of better than 5-4.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 19, 2005, 07:18:44 pm
The placement of teams in the bracket, however, was not according to quality, it was according to the map. Just because someone lost in the first round doesn't mean they cannot be a Top 16 team.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 19, 2005, 07:36:47 pm
The placement of teams in the bracket, however, was not according to quality, it was according to the map. Just because someone lost in the first round doesn't mean they cannot be a Top 16 team.

Point taken, Pat.  I think you know how many of us felt about team distribution out here in the West region.  Regardless, OxyBob's glee at Cal Lu receiving only 1 vote in the national poll does little to support a #9 national ranking for Oxy.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 19, 2005, 08:43:33 pm
I didn't see O-Bob as being gleeful at Cal Lu's single vote, so much as perhaps lashing out a little at Mr. Brady's "smoked" comment related to Oxy's final ranking . . . which I did not find as objectionable as others may have.

At any rate, I think 9 sounds about right . . . dropping from 6th to 9th in the nation, 4th to 5th in the region . . . if the West had not been so strong overall, then perhaps Oxy's loss would have caused a bigger drop, but all in all, the final placement sure seems reasonable to me.  Especially if you look at the fact that Wesley is no. 10 . . . given Wesley's showing at UWW, I don't see how that could move them in front of the Tigers . . . if that game had been close, then I'll bet the Tigers would have dropped a few more places.  But as the wheels seem to have come off for Wesley, I think that helped Oxy to stay as high as 9.  I think where Oxy finished was both fair and fortunate.

Next year will be a challenge . . . good recruiting is needed for the D and we may need a little O line help as well.  I'm sure Widolff and the crew will find some gems.

The West will undoubtedly remain as tough, if not more so.  UWW doesn't graduate many, Linfield is set to reload, Concordia and St. Johns will both remain in the hunt . . . Oxy will have a row to hoe to stay on top of the SCIAC and to be competitive in the region.

That's why they play the games, eh boys?

Looking forward to next year, happy holidays to all . . . see you on the hoops boards?

Go Tigers!
Eat'em up Tigers!
Io Triumphe! ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 19, 2005, 09:57:20 pm
Sabretooth-

Thanking you for making a well constructed argument in favor of Oxy's ranking, I do think the fact that they stayed as high as #9 says a lot for the national respect they earned last year.  I can only hope that translates into a little more overall respect for the conference as a whole. 


Bob-

I think anyone who's read my posts on this board over the entirety of this season knows I respect the Oxy program and wish them well whenever they play on the national stage.  If you feel that I'm a bitter guy because I challenged you to present an actual argument, so be it...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 19, 2005, 10:28:55 pm
Report from ESPN.com

Tom Brady regrets the words he chose to describe the game between OXY and Linfield during the first round of the 2005 Division III Playoffs.  Mr. Brady has a lot of respect for the entire SCIAC and did not mean to use such a term.   Mr. Brady was heard saying "I send out an appology to all OXY fans, especially Bob and Sabretooth.  We were getting along for so long and I was wrong."
The entire SCIAC is happy to see the respect coming from the voters from around the nation.

See guys, that Brady guy isnt all that bad... ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on December 20, 2005, 08:15:03 am
Scandi...I don't know that it will gain the SCIAC more respect considering OXY blew out the #2 team in your conference and that team didn't get in the dance with one loss... :(
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scandihoovian on December 20, 2005, 10:31:04 am
I do think the fact that they stayed as high as #9 says a lot for the national respect they earned last year.  I can only hope that translates into a little more overall respect for the conference as a whole. 

Downtown-

That's why I'm hoping...
 :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Som Yung Gy on December 20, 2005, 02:02:24 pm
What's Up SCIAC Board!  This is my first post, I've been lurking for over 3 years, finally decided to say something.  So if I mess something up, dont rip me too bad.   ;)
I was wondering, how is it possible that a guy like Josh Jones, WR Occidental College.  Not get any recognition in any of the D3 Football All-American teams? 
Credentials:
Josh Jones, Occidental Sr. WR 10gms 80recs. 1102yrds 16TD!!!!  8.0 RPG
1st Team, All Region West with Casey Allen 1st Team d3 All-American, (who is an Awesome D3 WR, btw) considering that everyone agrees the West region was the strongest region this year.   This has to be enough to give the guy some recognition...at least Honorable Mention?

Just Curious? 
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 20, 2005, 03:19:31 pm
Those were very good numbers, and Jones was under consideration throughout the process. He just didn't make the list.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom Brady on December 21, 2005, 10:23:26 am
Insert the sounds of silence and crickets...
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 21, 2005, 11:37:04 pm
Well Tom, I'll break the sounds of silience... I've been busy at home with the holidays so I've been away from the boards. 

I feel Occidental is definietly deserving of finishing in the top 10, for all of the reasons that have been thrown out on the board.  The Tigers will need to work hard to recruit guys that are ready to play right out of high school, especially on the O-line and at the DB position.  The coaching staff has been hard at work getting in touch with the top players in the region (as I'm sure every school has) and has begun to set up their recruiting trips to Eagle Rock, which I might have a hang in making sure are some of the best times they won't remember.  ;D

About the D3Football All Americans, I feel Occidental might have gotten the shaft.... I haven't read through all of the stats of the guys that made it (btw, congratulations), but there were several cantidates that I felt were very worthy. 

Andy Collins QB - Obviously an easy vote, but I understand this being a tough category with Brett Eliott and the UWW QB
Alfredo Gamiz OL - A big body that did an excellent job this year protecting Collins' blind-side, opening up running lanes for two 500-yd backs, as well as getting out and helping make big plays downfield on reciever screens that Occidental utilizes on a regular basis
Josh Jones WR - SYG already listed his statistics...  on another note, on regular basis Josh was Andy's go to reciever when the Tigers needed a big play
Caleb Small WR/DB/KR - Made a significant contribution on both sides of the ball and on special teams (earlier in the season).  Maybe he did too much going two ways, to recieve acknowledgement?

Maybe I'm partial, any thoughts from the posters who were able to see the players that did make it play ?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 21, 2005, 11:39:56 pm
Looking forward to next year, happy holidays to all . . . see you on the hoops boards?

Go Tigers!
Eat'em up Tigers!
Io Triumphe! ;D
Ditto on the Happy Holidays to all... and yes I will be on the hoops board after the holiday season, to this point I've only seen the Tigers in one game vs. an Austrailian National team that they handled easily.

Go Tigers!
Back to Back to Back SCIAC Champs in 2006
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DawgHeaven on December 22, 2005, 04:20:10 pm
That is brutal.  If Oxy was like Catholic and only had one option, Jones would have had huge numbers.  That kind of information needs to be taken into account.  With that said, had the Kitties played teams worth a darn, in the preseason, he might have.  What is more embarrasing for the SCIAC is that the Aztec Bowl rep did not even make the AllAmerican team. 
Lastly, once again we get enraged players posting because they do not make AA. 
Som Yung Gy I am talking to you. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 22, 2005, 08:04:23 pm
I think that is taken into account -- but it goes both ways. Even though Catholic (and had one big option, he managed to get open time and time again despite getting double teamed. And that's true not just at Catholic, but at St. John Fisher and even to an extent at Thiel.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 23, 2005, 10:14:51 pm
Lastly, once again we get enraged players posting because they do not make AA. 
Som Yung Gy I am talking to you. ;)
Are you asking if Som Yung Gy is Josh Jones?  He isn't.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 23, 2005, 11:49:42 pm
Pat, I was reading "Your wishes for 2006," and I was wondering why it is that the SCIAC is prohibited from playing 10 games.  I had assumed that it was just the way it was, not that there was actually a rule.

Maybe you can clear it up.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sabretooth Tiger on December 24, 2005, 12:14:47 pm
Have not had an opportunity to actually research this point, but you should know that the SCIAC has a number of rules that are specific to the conference, having nothing to do w/ DIII . . . I think the rules are determined by the ADs, Presidents, or a combo of those groups.

That's my spur of the moment take while on the wireless away from the home base.

Happy holidays to all,

GO OXY

sabretooth
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 24, 2005, 03:07:08 pm
Yes, my understanding is it is a SCIAC rule and I'm sure you can assume that it comes from the presidents and not from the football coaches. I'm sure the coaches would welcome the ability to play a normal Division III schedule.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 28, 2005, 10:11:56 pm
The 2006 Lewis and Clark schedule lists Oxy and Pomona as their first two games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on December 29, 2005, 10:03:16 pm
I feel bad for the guys at Lewis & Clark, but it would really help us out if they would just drop their program for a year and rebuild.  Wasn't there talk of L&C looking for a new president, why don't they accomplish that first and then get the new guy to work on the football program.

L&C dropping their program could be exactly what OXY needs in order to step out of their comfort zone and pick up a team worth playing in the pre-season, other than CC of course. ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tezbaseball on December 30, 2005, 11:49:51 pm
Happy New Year SCIAC
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 04, 2006, 11:59:11 am
So this is that silence on the SCIAC board that everyone has been talking about once the off season rolls around huh?

Wow.  Happy New Years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Eye of da TIGER on January 06, 2006, 04:30:39 pm
As im sitting at work i thought it would be a good time to say hello to everyone on the board, especially my fellow oxy fans!!!! Because the football season is now over and my 4 years as an oxy football player are behind me, its time for me to become the #1 fan.  Shout out to the other 20 seniors that were on this years oxy team, best sr class ever!!! Having a sr class of 21 is one of the largest classes, if not the largest in oxy history.  i was wondering how many seniors do other SCIAC teams usually graduate?  Maybe this will end the posting drought my buddy Oswald is talking about!!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 06, 2006, 04:38:11 pm
A large number of seniors and success in D3 sports go hand in hand.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 06, 2006, 06:37:54 pm
As im sitting at work...

You don't work, you mean sitting on your ass at home!  :D

Having a Sr class of 21 is one of the largest classes, if not the largest in oxy history. I was wondering how many seniors do other SCIAC teams usually graduate? 

I agree completely, I think a great deal of OXY's recent success has been their ability to come together as a team and play a great game.  Having a core of seniors that respect their role on the team and make a point of including the underclassmen in their acitivites is a great a thing.  It's been said before of the Tigers, that when you see players walking through campus it is impossible to deferintiate between upperclassmen and freshmen -- the team is what is important here in Eagle Rock.

Back to Back to Back SCIAC CHAMPS in '06
Go Tigers!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Eye of da TIGER on January 06, 2006, 07:02:47 pm
No dude, im seriously at work right now.  i picked up a job so i could afford my "habbits" and you cant forget that spring break is coming up!!!!  ;D  Once again i agree with Oswaldo, i think it would be interesting to see what would happen if Oxy and some of the other schools in the SCIAC could field teams with 100+ players like Redlands, Linfield, etc., rather than always finishing the season somewhere in the 60's!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: downtown48 on January 07, 2006, 04:20:59 pm
This is kind of a shocker to me...why on earth would he want to go to this hell hole, and STILL get bombed by Linfield every year!

http://www.dailytidings.com/2006/0107/010706s3.shtml
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 07, 2006, 05:45:41 pm
Interesting little article, I didn't know Maynard was under consideration. 

Downtown - Do you know when the decision is going to be made?

or

To any Redlands guys - Is there anyone being considered to replace Maynard?
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 07, 2006, 05:46:41 pm
Whoops, apparently I didn't read close enough.  The decision is going to be made in the next 2 weeks.  :-[

Downtown, how about keeping us up to date when the decision is released.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on January 07, 2006, 09:20:57 pm
Maynard has been at Redlands for a long time. I would be shocked to see him leave. Having played for him, Southern Oregon would be getting a great football coach. He runs a first rate, classy program. I hope he decides to stay at Redlands.
Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on January 07, 2006, 09:26:57 pm
Maynard is also a finalist at DII Western State in Colorado.

http://www.sbsun.com/sports/ci_3379265


Title: Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OXY Oswald on January 07, 2006, 09:44:33 pm
Is it common for Coach Maynard to test his options at the close of every season, or is this a new development?  Despite what the article posted by RFB says, maybe he's becoming bored at Redlands and is looking for somewhere ne