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Title: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 24, 2006, 10:01:33 pm
I haven't drank in a while, which, if I am hallucinating, would be the reason, but where did the HCAC message board go?
Title: Re: Where's the HCAC Board
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 24, 2006, 10:06:20 pm
And I know damn well I have over 189 posts.
Title: Re: Where's the HCAC Board
Post by: maxamillion on December 25, 2006, 12:34:33 am
UMMMM yea where is the HCAC board? I thought I was just being an idiot last night not seeing it but um Pat can you tell us all where the board went?
Title: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 25, 2006, 02:22:20 am
Can't say as I know, to be honest. Sorry. Haven't spent a lot of time on the board lately. Guess you can start over? Not sure.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on December 25, 2006, 10:06:06 am
see what happens when i gone for a while, all hell break lose.

Sayer what in the hell did you do?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on December 26, 2006, 01:48:11 am
Well at least I have a clean slate as far as a posting bias if I coach at TMC again. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 26, 2006, 09:19:09 am
I was hoping to catch up today on all the reading....from being away from computers. 

Oh well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 26, 2006, 01:36:16 pm
jeez, you go watch the new rocky balboa movie and come back to a revamped board. pat has been making waves over here.

new rocky movie, thoughts?

i like seeing rocky, but he doesn't end communism in this one and it was more nostalgic for me and that's about it. on a side note, i don't see too many 60 some year old men looking that put together. wow.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 26, 2006, 02:49:09 pm
Wow!  This is a bummer.  like saintsfan, I wanted to catch up now that I'm back from visiting my folks and have nothing to do till the 8 of the new year.  Crazy stuff!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 26, 2006, 02:51:36 pm
This really sucks! I only have 68 posts now.  Glad I kept my karma though.  Has anyone heard any news about Defiance's defensive coordinator?  dc70alum, jacketsfan, anyone?  By the way, Happy Holidays to everyone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on December 27, 2006, 12:06:53 am
i knew there was talk about jim hilvert possibly being interviewed for the TMC head coach job i thought and i wanted to come back and read it all - so can everyone fill me in on what the talk was about?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on December 27, 2006, 12:07:27 am
also i was close to a second stringer now it is back to the beginning
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MSJRW80 on December 27, 2006, 08:25:26 am
Sayers did you not give Pat the reach around...you have to give the reach around Adam now look we have to start all the way over from the begining...

I just saw the new Rocky movie yesterday and it was ok definetly not the best but ok a lot better than Rocky 5 but that didnt take much to beat that...They really didnt do any developing of the new characters and you'll know what I mean when you see it...


FCC are you thinking of coaching on the wrong side of the river?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 27, 2006, 11:11:08 am
i knew there was talk about jim hilvert possibly being interviewed for the TMC head coach job i thought and i wanted to come back and read it all - so can everyone fill me in on what the talk was about?

Vicious rumors and lies.  No way would this ever happen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on December 27, 2006, 12:15:49 pm
SaintsFan-  I think it is funny that you consider TMC the HCAC champs in 2000 & 2001.  Should you honor the Saints the Independent champs as well?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 27, 2006, 01:00:26 pm
Has been - i will send you an email, you have to pay to keep good people around and one of the major problems DC has always had.  when the "special" employee who whipes tables at McDonalds makes more $ than all your assitants combined it is hard to retain talent.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 27, 2006, 02:01:40 pm
DC70,

Sounds like the same plight as alot of the Division 3 programs.  Thats why you'll see major changes in assistants yearly. 

has been,

nope...didn't play all the independents in those years.  schedule was set up for a introduction to the HCAC and the Saints ran the table.  I've seen the shirts around for this..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on December 27, 2006, 03:33:07 pm
Looks like Defiance has some lofty standards when it comes to their DC.  If the pay isn't that good, then I'd wonder how they can keep someone with their MA on the staff for very long...

MA required, defensive coordinator experience preferred, secondary coaching experience required, collegiate teaching experience preferred, experience in intramurals preferred, extensive understanding and experience in recruiting D-III student-athletes preferred...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on December 27, 2006, 08:12:49 pm
Looks like Defiance has some lofty standards when it comes to their DC.  If the pay isn't that good, then I'd wonder how they can keep someone with their MA on the staff for very long...

MA required, defensive coordinator experience preferred, secondary coaching experience required, collegiate teaching experience preferred, experience in intramurals preferred, extensive understanding and experience in recruiting D-III student-athletes preferred...

The operative word is "preferred."  Now if they apply the same standards to the OC... ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 27, 2006, 10:49:39 pm
it is becuase there are only a couple of full time positions so they try to get them to teach a class or do something in admissions or some other postition at the schoool which is why they look for an MA first, that opens it up to a lot more options.  i think most of the profs only pull about 40k.  granted it is dirt cheap to live in Defiance but it takes a long time to pull F.U. money making that or less
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 28, 2006, 07:09:21 pm
Sayer is in Chicago...I can't be blamed for the mssing HCAC post board.

It's not windy in the windy city and I'm even on the lake.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on December 28, 2006, 09:56:36 pm
what are you doing in chicago?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 29, 2006, 11:54:58 pm
Vacation. I just spent $180 on a dinner 1,000 feet above the city of Chicago. Called the Signature Room. I'm still waiting on the server to give me a BJ for all the cash I spent.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 30, 2006, 11:43:45 am
been there great view of the city when the sun goes down.  but the prices are retarted and i was there on an expense account
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 30, 2006, 12:50:32 pm
a friend of mine was just in New York on business. Five people ate dinner, the bill was $1,700 dollars. Whatever happened to a 5 dollar burger? $11.50 for a burger, y'all must be crazy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 31, 2006, 12:08:37 am
They found a burger for $11.50? Wow.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maxamillion on December 31, 2006, 04:21:24 am
hey pat how come the HCAC board has started over and a lot of people on here only are showing a few posts when i know we all have had more??? i was getting close to 60 something, i know victory was close to 200 and sayer has way more then 192?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on December 31, 2006, 07:47:09 am
VB you should see the tabs i get to pick up we drop 1700 just on the wine.  best drink i ever had was a 1946 McCellan.  there was nothing better than a 70 year old scotch even at 250 bucks a shot
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on December 31, 2006, 08:00:10 am
My membership in the Plutocrat Club expired. Consequently I am forced to satisfy myself with Budweiser.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on December 31, 2006, 05:51:14 pm
i know, but i simply cannot justify paying 250 bucks for anything you ingest, well unless the company was paying for it. if they are picking up the tab, drink up and smoke em if you got em.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on December 31, 2006, 07:25:24 pm
I went to a Nieman Marcus today (a high and I mean HIGH class clothing store) and I saw a sweater for $695 and a leather jacket for $2500.  They also had neck ties for $150 a piece. Who wears a $695 sweater other than SaintsFan?

The Signature Room was nice, but working at a country club during the summer, I eat Fillet, Scallops, Crab Legs, etc on a routine basis for free and can't justify spending $33.95 for 5 scallops and coos-coos. I also spent $8 on a 12oz bottle of Sam Adams.

I guess if you live here then spending that kind of money on clothes, food, etc. is normal. I definately don't fit in here. They need a Wal-Mart.

Got a throwback 1988 Ickey Woods Jersey for Christmas and was sporting it proud today...even though the Bengals choked like Linda Lovelace.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2007, 04:45:05 am
hey pat how come the HCAC board has started over and a lot of people on here only are showing a few posts when i know we all have had more??? i was getting close to 60 something, i know victory was close to 200 and sayer has way more then 192?

The board is not very large now. You could go back two pages to the beginning and see the already-existing discussion.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 01, 2007, 11:49:14 am
pat still hasn't answered the question and i think something bigger is going on here
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2007, 01:08:32 pm
The answer is still:

Can't say as I know, to be honest.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 01, 2007, 04:11:30 pm
reminds me of area 51 to be honest, but i'll roll with it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 01, 2007, 07:32:52 pm
I don't know what happened -- there are about 30 users that could delete a board if they tried. Nobody has said anything to me about having done it and there is no log of those actions.

So I'll repeat: I don't know what happened.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 01, 2007, 09:55:46 pm
I blame Elvis
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 02, 2007, 01:00:50 am
I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST WITNESSED!

BOISE STATE OHH............ MY.................. GOD!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 02, 2007, 01:11:28 am
I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST WITNESSED!

BOISE STATE OHH............ MY.................. GOD!

I've seen wild finishes before, but that just might be the best ever!

Boise up 28-10 near the 4th quarter.  Oklahoma finally catches them 28-28 with 1:36 left.  Then OU apparently wins it with an interception returned for a TD at 1:02.  With 4th and 18 (:07 left), Boise scores on a pass where the receiver then laterals to a trailer who runs it in.  OT.

OU has the ball first and Adrian Peterson runs in for the TD on the first play.  Boise goes to 4th down, then gets (barely) a first down.  Boise again gets to 4th down, then scores on a hb pass.  THEN it gets wild!  Boise goes for two, and makes it with a Statue of Liberty play - are you kidding me??!! :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2007, 01:15:16 am
What a game, Mr. Ypsi!

And she said, "Yes!" :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 02, 2007, 01:23:42 am
Hopefully no one thinks that Boise tricked there way to a win.  Their defense shut down Oklahoma for 3 quarters before things got hairy.  The plays at the end of the game were unreal.  Oklahoma went ahead with 1 minute in the game for the 1st time on a pick-six and Boise didn't quit.  That was the most entertaining finish I've seen maybe ever.

WOW
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 02, 2007, 06:26:09 am
When I was in the 6th grade, we didn't permit ourselves to be fooled by a statue of liberty. By the time I was in high school, we didn't permit ourselves to be fooled by a flea flicker (what is currently often called a hook and lateral or hook and ladder).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 02, 2007, 08:14:17 am
Amazing game last night.  Crazy.  The craziest thing is Ian Johnson proposing to his girlfriend.  Not very smart....millions more girls have seen this guy now that he was playing in the Fiesta Bowl and he takes himself out of the dating pool on TV?

No way, Sayer.  I would never wear a Neiman Marcus sweater...unless I found it in the gutter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 02, 2007, 09:27:17 am
dont think you could say BSU tricked their way to victory because that is their offense.  Hook and Ladder last time i saw that work was when DC ran that against Thomas More for a touchdown my senior year.

sayer get fat again and you dont have to worry about neiman marcus becuase stores like that dont even carry 2X.  if i buy a shirt for 50 bucks at least i know i am getting 50 bucks of material out of it!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 02, 2007, 10:46:59 am
I wish I would have seen the game. I saw the highlights but I chose to go watch The Good Shepherd instead (great movie by the way) after my trip back from Chicago. That film of the last quater and OT would be a nice motivational tool for coaches on not quitting. Down 28-10, Oklahoma could have went in the tank but didn't.

I saw a hook and ladder work once too...against Thomas More. Our guy was caught from behind though trying to run in 6 inches of mud. Speaking of TMC, any news as to the new HC?

I wanted a pair of socks just so I could say I had something from there but those were $60.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 02, 2007, 11:30:30 am
i like how they kept referring to the testicles of the boise st playcaller who would call any play in any spot. i guess in order to be a man you need a pair of nuts.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 02, 2007, 11:43:00 am
No news on the Coach Search.  I think they originally said the target was by the end of the week. 

By the way, your hook and ladder play....what year was that?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 02, 2007, 01:32:28 pm
Yeah, you know who called that play SaintsFan.  That was one of the most frustrating games I've been involved in (2002 Bridge Bowl).  The Hook and Ladder was the only way I could get someone free in the slop.  It worked great and should have been a TD but you know that TMC field.  It has high and low spots (and a lot of mud) and my receiver lost his balance and could get back up to speed after a 70 yard gain and got caught. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 02, 2007, 01:36:23 pm
I figured you did call that play.  I think I remember it, but not sure.  We were pretty drunk.  What year was when I saw both you and Venard up in Mariemont?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 02, 2007, 03:40:11 pm
even the old lady in the gym watched the game last night was excited about it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 02, 2007, 08:13:02 pm
FCC and others:

I would agree that the Boise St./Oklahoma game was perhaps one of the greatest I've ever seen.  There is one DIII game I personally played in that would rank up with that and another one that I would suggest might be ranked up there with that was the multiple OT game that Kentucky played in recent years- do you all remember that one??!! And don't forget, of course, Doug Flutie's "Hail Mary"!  But, yes the game last night just might be one that could rate at the top of the list.  I'm still in a semi-daze - that was just one unbelievable finish and especially, two of the last three Boise scoring plays (the one that tied it i.e. hook and ladder- old flea flicker and the 2 pt. fake pass/blind side pitch winner of course).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 03, 2007, 12:04:21 am
I think the Boise game is great for college football.  It will further the playoff debate.  I think you have to make sure that a qualification process is in order to put these smaller programs in the BCS or playoff system (ie top 10 ranking, top 20 schedule or opponents), but if everyone believes that they've earned the right to play, then a playoff is the only way.  I don't see BSU getting a #1 or #2 BCS ranking anytime soon.

"You can't be the man until you beat the man".  Well you have to be given a shot every once in a while and Utah 2002 and Boise 2006 are good examples.  If it wasn't for an onside kick and blocked field goal against Oregon, Oklahoma might be playing on Monday against OSU at 12-1 with only an October 7th loss to Texas.  Boise beat that team.................with Adrian Peterson.

Now, forget about the Boise argument for a minute and plug in USC and you know we need a playoff.  The winner of OSU-Florida needs to be playing USC after beating Michigan.   

DUH!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 03, 2007, 09:39:40 am
Even by most people's accounts, Boise State still wouldn't have been in an 8-team playoff (which is what most consider). The 8 teams would have been Ohio State, Florida, Michigan, USC, LSU, Wisconsin, Louisville and Oklahoma. If you were to grant the Conference champs from the BCS conferences then see ya next year Wisconsin and welcome Wake Forest. Regardless...No Boise State. I suggested an NFL style 12-team playoff. The top 4 seeds recieve first round byes.

Oklahoma got hosed during the Oregon game twice by blatent officiating mistakes. I think Saintsfan is right. If they beat Oregon, then 12-1 Oklahoma would be playing Ohio State, not Florida. They lost earlier than Florida and happend to also play and win a conference championship game the same weekend.

I just think College football this year happend to have great equality. There is no team (or 2 teams) that stands out far and beyond everyone else. Everyone is together.

Word around according to SEC teams is that LSU was the best team in the conference, not Florida.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 03, 2007, 10:43:15 am
the solution is 10 game seasons for all DI and an all out playoff battle royale. the problem is that the big boys that pack a 106,000 seat stadium don't want it empty for one or two weeks it could have been full. read the lion in autumn, joe paterno football and it's clearly laid out from joepa himself.

boise rocks, i hope they win a national title in a year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 03, 2007, 12:45:29 pm
We'll see about LSU tonight...and I was forced to watch them play at Tenn., they were lucky to pull out the win.  Russell threw more "wrong team passes" than Richard Simmons in a night club....he was lucky to not have been intercepted 5 times.

  If ND starts fast they have a chance...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 03, 2007, 12:47:00 pm
hmmmm, i would say lsu has a much better chance of winning that game than ND, but let's let them play it out and see. i just think lsu has some very fast athletes at a lot of positions.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 03, 2007, 03:48:26 pm
i think the stat they said last night is LSU is outscoring opponents 150 - 20 in the 1st quarter.  ND better come out fast or they will have a mouthful of they bayou t-bag
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 04, 2007, 12:40:20 am
wow, LSU
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 04, 2007, 07:48:52 am
The stat last night was they outscored ND 21-0 in the second half and rushed for almost 250 yards. Maybe the SEC teams are right, LSU is the best team in the conference. I do wonder why Weiss elected to go for it on the first 4th down? His defense is horrible and he was on his own 35/40 yard line? I realize it's a bowl game and you let it all hang out (ala Boise State) but at some point you have to be smart and smart is punting the football. Even if he gets the first, I still think it's too much of a risk to try that early in the game because if you don't get it, you're essentially giving the other team the ball to start both halves and put you in a hole. In this case, if Charlie Weiss punts the ball, ND goes into halftime most likely tied 14-14, not down.

I also think ND's defense has regressed since last year. This is a group who has played together for 2 years now, was supposed to come together as Seniors and get better after last year. They have given up 35 or more points 4 times this year and are giving up on average 24 points per game. Last year they averaged giving up 21 points per game. 90% of the time, units get better as they get more experience and play together for an extended period of time. Notre Dame's didn not.

People claim Brady Quinn will possibly be the 1st round pick. Before the game, Charlie Weiss said that in his opinion, Brady Quinn didn't perform up to expectations because of the pressure of the Heisman Trophy. If he can't handle that, then how will he be able to handle life in the Pro's and if he is the 1st pick, the pressure of those expectations? Look at all the pressure on Mario Williams and he was a DE. Brady Quinn is not a big game quarterback and cannot win when it counts. The only reason why this kid gets any publicity is because of where he plays and who he played for. Playing at Notre Dame doesn't automatically make him good and I think people forget that. I think whoever drafts him will be getting the next Ryan Leaf or David Klingler.

The SEC is 5-3 in bowl games this year but are 0-2 against the Big 10. The Big 10 is 2-4 in bowl games only beating SEC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 04, 2007, 12:02:11 pm
it would be smart for ND to start recruiting some players and to quit playing navy and army each week if they want to compete again.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 04, 2007, 01:51:06 pm
I agree, but if they want to continue playing them, then people need to judge them on it. To be fair, their schedule as is, is about the same as your typical conference football schedule. The problem lies in the fact that when Notre Dame goes 10-2 or 9-2 and better, pollsters make it out to be as if Boston College and "vintage" Florida State are back on the schedule.

This marks the 4th time in recent hsitory that they have been dismantled in a "high up" Bowl Game granted to them after a 9-2 or 10-2 season. In 2001 they lost to Oregon State 41-9 in the Fiesta Bowl (BCS), in 2002 they lost to North Carolina State 28-6 in the Gator Bowl, in 2005 they lost to Ohio State 34-20 in the Fiesta Bowl (BCS), and this year they lost to Louisiana State 41-14 in the Sugar Bowl (BCS). That's an average of 36-12.

Maybe they just need to stop playing colleges that end in 'State'. Want to know why Notre Dame has lost 9 straight bowl games. It's because they get matched up with superior opponents that are on a different level because they are Notre Dame and the $$$. Notre Dame should have been playing Arkansas in a bowl game, not LSU.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 04, 2007, 05:09:21 pm
yes, and when lou holtz was there they played and competed with miami of florida, and other top notch programs. the huge comback against a sorry michigan st team is hardly an achievement. i think weiss realizes this though and will act accordingly, hopefully.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 04, 2007, 06:09:32 pm
Not hiding today

Just back froms surgery-- rotator cuff and bicep...not fun, but percocets are

Dude that game sucked...ND took a big dump last night....schedule is a problem, as is the fact these are Ty's players still...give Weis two more seasons.

Sayer --  Quinns problem was not the Heisman pressure only...Chuck also said he was trying to be perfect bc of the defense....put him in Cleveland and with the expectations there, he'll have fun, make alot of money, and I'll boo his ass. 

How good is Jamarcus Russell?  Great arm...talked to my cousin who lives in Nawlins, if Russell comes back Im going to see the Tigers next year...if Landry leaves, I'll be a fan....he's a punk like his brother the DB for theRavens.

Adam, call me with any update on TMCs search....I wont be around much in the coming days.

BTW OSU only beat ND by two scores ( i sound like a democrat)...the other games were a helluva lot more embarassing
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 04, 2007, 06:15:25 pm
yes, and when lou holtz was there they played and competed with miami of florida, and other top notch programs. the huge comback against a sorry michigan st team is hardly an achievement. i think weiss realizes this though and will act accordingly, hopefully.

vbell,

the had lower admission standards back then....T Rice was prop 48...no way he gets into ND now....also teams like ND could stockpile talent with more scholarships...thata why they put allstar teams on the field then... its an impossible comparison.  I'd take the 88 Irish over any of the great teams thru history.


ALL

hit me up with some karma for bearing with the pain to give an educated opinion on ND...

plus I kind of missed bs'ing with you miscreants (shout out to beachbum)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 04, 2007, 06:19:05 pm
SaintsFAN:

Best wishes for your recovery from rot cuff/biceps surgery.  You'll do fine, but take it easy - and be careful with those percocets.  They're good "stuff" but don't be mixing 'em with any of that "liquid stuff" i.e. ETOH if you know what I mean, seriously.

I would have to agree with you that ND just looked, well,...not very good last evening :P; similar performance as to U of M.  Anyway, yes, you guys keep us posted on the TMC coaching search.  Again, hope you are feeling better and take care.  We'll talk with you in a week or two when you're feeling better.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 04, 2007, 08:28:39 pm
Ummm................USC anyone?

2nd best team to OSU this year, then Michigan, SEC choice, SEC choice, and throw in a healthy Louisville kicks.

ND is lucky to break the top 15.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 04, 2007, 08:34:27 pm
touche. bucks by 30 over florida.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 05, 2007, 08:25:50 am
30 may be a little much. I'm looking at a 27-17 game. I think it will take Ohio State's offense a few series to get adjusted to Florida's speed on defense, but once they do, they will score. If I recall correctly, Teddy Ginn and Anthony Gonzalaz are pretty fast too.

If DeShawn Wynn is the featured RB for Florida in this game, there won't be much of a run game. Wynn doesn't like to get hit, and does anyone else notice how often he seems to get hurt.  He hasn't changed since high school. The man can outrun a cheetah, but you put a few good lickins on him, he doesn't want to play any more.

SaintsFan, I think Brady Quinn played bad because he was up all night listening to AJ Hawk drop "The Hammer" on his sister in the hotel room. It's not The Big Easy for nothin :) I saw that throw (60 yard bomb off 1 foot). I don't think Russell is ready to come out of college yet (that ND secondary is BAD). He needs to stay for 1 more year.

Get better. I'm having sharp pains in my lower back and am fretting going to the doctor. Percs are great.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 05, 2007, 09:35:49 am
sayer - probably muscle, if it is disc related you would likely feel it in your hip and legs.  a herniated disk does not hurt, but it pinches the nerve which hurts like hell but it feels like a stinger in the leg.  doesnt hurt as much in the lower back as it does in other places. 

hit up the Doc becuase if it is muscle they might be able to work it out before it causes the disc to start to buldge.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 05, 2007, 11:50:52 am
I need to find time first. Wrestling and teaching keep me busy about 60 hours a week. I'm thinking about trying that pad they put between your legs when you sleep (I already know the jokes are coming). I don't feel this anywhere else except my lower back/Kidney area (right side). It started out as a "stiff" feeling where my mucle felt like it was knotted up but now it's more of a sharp pain.

I already need surgery on my shoulder (torn Labrum) but I get by on a daily basis with no pain. I just can't play sports that require throwing something. And I've had to quit lifting due to the pain. I'll only be 25 in february. I always though losing weight would help all the creaks. It probably doesn't help that I still wrestle with the kids on a daily basis either but that comes with the job requirements.

Looking forward to Medicare buying me my first wheelchair in a couple years. SaintsFan and I can have wheelchair races around the new TQL building in Eastgate.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 05, 2007, 12:50:14 pm
my close dearest brother tried that pad bn his legs. he did it because his hips and lower back were hurting, it seemed to help a lot and aleviate chronic pain. of course, so did his losing 30 lbs of gut.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 05, 2007, 02:12:51 pm
I think losing the weight actually hurt more than helped. My legs are now smaller and I think when I lay on my side, my right leg is on a greater downward angle causing more discomfort in my pelvis and lower back.

AWM...isn't this your area of expertise being a physical therapist and all?

Big Madeira Invitational this weekend. Go Tigers.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 05, 2007, 02:30:32 pm
Sayer: What have you done to yourself? You're describing how I felt at 60 before I undertook 5 invasive surgeries over 5 years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 05, 2007, 03:53:15 pm
why don't you start attending an ab class two days a week to strengthen your core so your back isn't taking the brunt of your manly body? i have been doing that (not by choice though) and this large african man yells at me so i tighten my abs and my abs (although not smaller) are much stronger. just a thought. hope you feel better.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 06, 2007, 01:14:38 pm
look, i know the ab class is somewhat "fruity", but i didn't expect it to bring an end to the message board. there are hot girls in there, a lot of them. of course, there are fat girls as well, who used to be cute before they started eating double cheeseburgers. enough, i am gone. i have drinking and the kung fu marathon all weekend.

we have chicken, shrimp, steak, hibachi steak, crab (real crab,not the fake stuff), and of course chicken wings. after that is gone we have bottles and bottles of yager for yager bombs. god bless.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 06, 2007, 09:57:26 pm
Why did Coach Hallit leave TMC?
Was he asked to leave or did Hiedelburg give him an offer he couldn't refuse?

Did TMC really interview Hilvert?

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 07, 2007, 12:53:03 pm
Had a wrestling tournament at Madeira (good DII-III tournament), that is why I have been off line. My boys did well. 8th as a team (out of 22) and we had 3 runner ups, one 4th, one 5th, and one 6th. I only had 10 kids, 8 of which are freshmen and sophomores.

Macke, Taylor was there. Is your brother still wrestling?

Tepee, I saw your neimises from Little Miami, Mr. Sears. He still does what he does best. Cry like a school girl.  I still can't believe that sonofabitch thought he could beat me. I'd tear him up like like a pack of wolves on a steak.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 08, 2007, 09:34:16 am
i never tried the pillow thing but some have said put under your calves and sleep on your back. 

if it becomes disc you wont really be able to push through it.  it feels like a bad stinger that does not go away and your foot will go numb and feel like muscle cramps down the leg in addition to the stinger feeling.  i would sleep on the floor with feet up on the couch as it was the least painful.

but nights like tonight just get too drunk to feel it O-H-I-O
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 08, 2007, 10:13:17 am
He's been screwing off, and missing practice so he wasn't allowed to wrestle.

He is being a lazy piece of crap.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 08, 2007, 10:24:01 am
only ten more hours till kick off   ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 08, 2007, 01:38:06 pm
sayer, is Sears a coach now?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 08, 2007, 01:52:14 pm
That's right Tostitos and beer. I'm going to be slacking off and taking a sick day tomorrow. Partly to recover from the hangover but the car's gotta go to the shop.

Macke, physical pain works well for motivation. Take him in the back room and flog him with a stick. Taylor's heavyweight's all right. He's a big strong kid.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 08, 2007, 01:54:49 pm
Yeah, he helps out at Moeller with their 'B' team. He's one of the 10+ coaches that helps at Might Moe.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 08, 2007, 06:12:07 pm
Not me....I'll enjoy the game, but GLADLY go back to work tomorrow.  I'm so bored, I can't stand it.  I couldn't go in this morning because there's no way I could drive....and my ride had to leave early.

Sayer,  I think I finally talked my girlfriend out of looking for places in Hyde Park.  You just don't get alot for your money up there.  We just put an offer down on a home in Mariemont.... nice area, good school district, hopefully they take our offer.  I'll keep you updated, we'll have a gathering when we get in there...

The people that live there now paid cash...unbelievable.  I've asked our realtor (who's hot) if she can find out if they have a daughter in her 20s.  

PREDICTION:  OSU by a field goal late....this one, I think, will be one that goes down in the history books as a helluva game.

Did anyone see Tony Romo mishandle the snap on Saturday night?  I HATE the Cowboys, but I had to feel sorry for him.  Unbelievable.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 08, 2007, 06:21:19 pm
WEBN quoted this morning that had he imagined the football as Carrie Underwood's butt he would have caught it. They aint kidding.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 08, 2007, 06:23:44 pm
SaintsFAN:

You are welcome and glad you are doing better.  BTW, I thought you liked pain when you played?!! ;D (just kidding! :))  I always said if I didn't have pain on Sunday and the next day after a game, that was a sign I didn't play hard enough.  In later years, they have accused me of being one of those "loons" who didn't play with a helmet! ;D  Seriously, I hope you continue to do well in your recovery from your shoulder surgery.  Keep us posted.  Enjoy the game tonight - it should be a good one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 08, 2007, 06:32:10 pm
Hell no, I didn't like playing with pain.  What happened up at Alma in 1999, was different....I didn't feel it after I woke up on the turf. 

I remember Sunday, Monday and Tuesday being really rough days for getting out of bed during my playing days.  By Wednesday, I was ready to go again.  We played UW-Oshkosh in 1998, I attempted 50 passes that day while running the no huddle for the entire 2nd half and got hit on 45 of those.  I had my helmet knocked off which resulted in a black eye, a concussion and a 2nd degree seperation of my throwing shoulder that we found out about on Tuesday when I started to "come to" after the concussion.  THAT was painful, I think I lost 5 years of my life that day.  Funny thing is that I don't remember any of that 2nd half, I watched it on film with everyone else for the 1st time...."Why the hell did I throw THAT ball"...was something I remember saying ALOT during that film session.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 08, 2007, 06:33:12 pm
Sayer,

Thats funny....and probably very true.  He was probably planning his night in Dallas, celebrating the win. 

I still feel bad for him....I'd probably be a little distracted also.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 08, 2007, 11:48:14 pm
The big question now is how much better is the SEC than everyone else in the country? WOW. I thought it would be a good game. I thought it would be close till the end. But I have never imagined a team could run a spread offense that efficiently. If I could, I would like to know how many of Florida's 3rd downs were less than 3 yards. I didn't think it was possible to do that against good teams. Ted Ginn being out kind of shows how valuable he is considering the first play of the game, but Florida opened a lot of people's eyes and played what most people will think as a perfect game. Seriously, perfect. I have witnessed the perfect football game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 09, 2007, 12:52:56 am
i am curious as to what everyone thinks how the final polls will shake down this is just my 2 cents

1 - florida i mean they were two and spanked number 1 all over the field

2 - LSU were number 4 and 1 and 3 got demolished

3 - BSU only undefeated team left and played their hearts out

4 - USC i know they have two losses but with common opponent in MICH they get the advantage

5 - OSU - only have one loss and beat MICH

6 - MICH two losses but beat WISC

7 - WISC one loss but played a soft schedule but beat a good ARK team
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2007, 01:30:59 am
That might be a pretty fair ranking but the coaches' poll is obliged to give 1 and 2 to the BCS title game winner and loser.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 09, 2007, 01:52:01 am
Florida, OSU, USC, LSU, Wisconsin/Michigan, Louisville, BSU.................................... ....................................... ......
....................................... ....................................... ....................................... ....................................... .................
....................................... ....................................... ....................................... ....................................... .......
...................ND

Boise may get the nod for 7th if people get sentimental.

I still want to see USC play Florida in the plus 1 game that is needed.  Play all bowls by Jan 1 and plus one on the 8th. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 09, 2007, 05:44:19 am
I just want to see the big 10 step up and be respectable. All kinds of excuses could be made for the OSU game (51 day layoff, losing Ted Ginn, bad timing, etc.) but the fact is, Florida played a flawless game and Ohio State played a horrible game. I agree with FCC that this will further the playoff debate and after OSU's embarrasing performance, I wouln't be suprised if they were dropped lower than 2. They didn't even record 100 yards of offense. Losing Ginn hurt, but give me a break.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 09, 2007, 06:44:54 am
Yes that is true pat that is why i threw this out to see how most people think it should shake down - i am waiting to see how the media polls go.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 09, 2007, 07:50:40 am
Its my belief that what you saw last night was OSU's defense being exposed. 

Michigan was the only good team the Buckeyes played until last night.  In hindsight, I would
have liked to have seen Wisconsin play the Buckeyes...something has to be done about the
uneven scheduling in the Big 10.  Its not Ohio State's fault about the schedule, well not entirely. 

When they scheduled Texas, they didn't know they'd be playing a Freshman QB making his 2nd start..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 09, 2007, 08:20:08 am
1. Florida
2. LSU
3. Louisville
4. Ohio St.
5. USC
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 09, 2007, 08:22:21 am
Sayer,  Now you know how I felt when I watched my Irish play a good
team this year.  WOW!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 09, 2007, 09:23:38 am
Michigan was good. I think I should start writing for ESPN or sue Pat Forde for Plagerism.
I think I called the game last night perfect first. His whole 800+ word article elaborates on my 100 word
sound off.

Saintsfan I agree, but to say exposed would imply Florida beat them deap he didn't at all. Being a former QB, you know that all those short passes
require timing in that spread. Now Leak didn't go deap once, because he didn't need to. But all those short crossing
patterns, drags, and outs, require precise timing. And to start 9/9 and at one point I think he was 14/16 before he had to start throwing
the ball into stands, is remarkable. Leak was flawless and did with the spread passing game what every coach
in America tries to do with the run game. Stay ahead of the chains and keep your 3rd downs short. Urban Meyer was licking his chops
everytime it was 3rd and 2 and he was in 5-wide. Linebackers on fast recivers. Like going to War guns vs knives. Tepee will testify,
I hate the spread offense (he did too in 2001). But part of me wants to learn it and learn it well after watching what it can do
if ran properly.

Important note: If Ted Ginn returns, Ohio State will return Antonio Pittman, Beanie Wells, Anthony Gonzolaz, and Ted Ginn for next year along with
3 of the O-lineman. They return 8 of the defensive starters too I believe. The non-conference schedule for OSU next year is Youngstown State, Akron,
Washington, and Kent State. The Big 10 teams are Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota, Mich State, Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan. They get
Wisconsin at home. They could very well, if no one leaves early, be in the hunt for another BCS game next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 09, 2007, 09:28:18 am
Don't say anything about not scheduling people, because they are playing a
home n home with USC in 2008/2009, then playing a home n home with
Miami (Fl) in 2010/2011. I also think Cal is on the schedule  for one too in 2012/2013.
Ohio State is making it a point to play quality teams. They keep the Ohio teams on the schedule,
but they reach out and try to play good competition. Hell, Washington is slowly being
turned around with Ty out there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 09, 2007, 09:31:04 am
FCC, by chance, you mind if I could get some copies of those playbooks?
You said you had bunches and I had completely forgot about it until
watching perfection last night.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 09, 2007, 11:14:04 am
My point about scheduling was the "Pay Day Games" that Ohio State has every year, Texas was a good home and home,
but they did have a freshman QB this year playing in his 2nd game.  Texas in week two didn't present nearly the same
challenge as they would have if those two had hooked up in say week 9 or 10.  When they scheduled Texas, they knew
they were getting to play a great team.  Who could have predicted their QB situation?  But it still added up to an easy win,
maybe too easy (as were most of their games)?

Its no doubt the same for very many teams, one exception I can think of is USC.  Thats probably it though...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 09, 2007, 12:47:26 pm
I wasn't being mean. I was just referencing their upcomming schedule for next year. The fact they don't
play anyone next year doesn't mean they arn't scheduling great teams. And you're right about scheduling. Miami (FL)
has been on the 2010/2011 schedule now for 3 years already. They do these years in advance.
I would like to see Notre Dame and Ohio State start playing each other. It would be great for college football and both programs.

Now here's the important question. With USC and Florida obviously being the 2 best teams, how long does it take
establish a playoff. I think it's inevitable.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 10, 2007, 12:33:57 am
According to a lot of people the playoff system will be a plus 1 game.  As soon as the current BCS TV contract is up they want a plus 1 game.

You don't want my playbooks Sayer.  They are the original spread concepts from a multitude of places. You need to get a 2006 version from a spread team that has all of the ideas incorporated already.  I started with UCLA 1998 and went from there.  The stuff we ran in 2001 came straight from Clemson and Northwestern (which I visited that year to watch spring ball).  We sucked at it in 2001 but in 2002 when we got a QB and a threat at receiver, everything changed.  Using a huddle helped also.  Going with Rich Rodriguez' version with all freshmen was nota good idea in 2001.  Our backs absolutely killed us but you live and learn. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 10, 2007, 12:54:32 am
If you want to know about spread systems, draw up a 5 wide receiver look and then look at what the defense must do to defend it.  The looks are clear as a bell.

Most offensive systems work from the inside out.  You look at the interior, then the RB's and LB's, and then the WR's and DB's as you consider how you protect yourself.  In spread you look at the WR's first then the RB's and then the interior line as you create a philosophy.  You come to find out that it's pretty straight forward inside when it's 5 on 5 all the time and you are in an attack mode.  Zone, Trap, Speed Option, and Draw are your base runs.  You need a QB that can throw deep even if you never want to because if a team decides to squeeze you, you must go up top.........to Wellendorf................ even if he's a freshman.

It has been great to watch how these offenses have gotten to so many looks forcing the defenses to react and play tentative.  OSU needed to show more blitz and get in the receivers faces a little more.  They made Leak look like a God which he is not.  Florida dictated the pace the entire game both offensively and defensively. 

Spread offenses are great running offenses when done right.  Look at West Virginia.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 10, 2007, 08:37:16 am
I'd like to see the face of Woody Hayes is someone in 1975 came out with 5 recievers; four to one side. I think the phrase was Ooptey-f#cking-oop, when did the damn circus come to town.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 10, 2007, 10:34:28 am
It was easy for UF offense to be that effiecent in the no huddle when OSU's deffense played the bad.

I saw a defense that played with no emotions for a national championship game, and then they gave up as an entire team.  OSU's D-corrinador should be fired.  He let his defense get pushed around  and was very predicable in his play calling.  Not saying that he necessarly should of blized more, but should have brought his Db's up to the line of scrimage and challenged the WR's.  The Db's played ten yards of the ball the entire game, and were not physical with UF's WRs.  Not to mention that #33 got his ass kicked the whole game. It looked like he was on roller skates.

I thought I would take sometime off from posting about the game becuase I was so pissed off and didn't want to on a rampage.  oh well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 10, 2007, 11:19:50 am
ohio state was the best team all year, they just got ran off the field by florida. you really don't want to do that in the national title game buckeyes. it's not like osu didn't deserve the game or anything like that, they just got whooped up on and i don't think anybody expected it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 10, 2007, 01:00:14 pm
Is #33 the great Laurinitis? 

I just think the Buckeye defense was young this year, as far as experience goes.  Maybe they weren't as great as once thought, BUT they dominated the competition they did play, with the exception of Michigan and Florida.  They had a great year, and with this much experience under their belt, playmakers like Laurinitis will be dominant in any situation against any team in the seasons to follow. 

They'll need to be next year....with a new QB coming in and possibly losing Ginn Jr., and Gonzalez, the team will be forced to rely on the dominant defense and a punishing ground attack with Chris Wells getting the majority of carries.  The cupboard isn't bare by any means in Columbus, but the QB will need to develop.

And its a better situation than ND will be in.  They replace everything except for Darius Walker on offense and the entire defense as well with the exception of a few like Derrick Landry on the DL....they'll be young across the board.  But the team will be faster...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 10, 2007, 01:33:05 pm
i was suprised at how bad the Oline played.  i think Tressel missed an opportunity to change the play calling when you are under that amount of heat and the whole Dline is T'ing off on every play.  when you are under that distress you have to shorten routes and go to the screen draw reverse etc.  anything to slow down the D.  everything was downfield with 5-7 step drops and it was a field day.  i think the Ginn injury hurt becuase most of the trickery to slow folks down is centered around him but i think it also hurt becuase it moved Gonzo to #1 Robo to #2 etc.  i dont think they were breaking off the hot routes like they should have been.  look at the INT Blitz play side and both receivers to that side are running 20 yds down field.

i can take losing but not to a bunch of punks.  Notre Dame would act like they have been there before but with Florida you got a bunch of thugs who say things like "There are 5 teams in the SEC we beat that are better than Ohio State"  that one was Jarvis Moss
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 10, 2007, 01:35:56 pm
i really don't like urban meyer that much either. he was saying "i want to thank everybody for making my pre-game speech easy with all the doubters." shut up, whatever happened to giving credit to the other team and saying how happy you are for everybody. they act like they had to go into the beaches at normandy and pull off the upset, give me a break. good game, good win, now keep it up or they will fire you down there in 3 years like every DI program in the nation now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 10, 2007, 01:52:01 pm
Hot route or not hot route.  Troy Smith still couldn't hit a reciever, partly because because he had so much pressure to contend with coming from those DE's.

In looking forward to next year I think Flordia is going to be contenders agian considering the recruiting class and returing players along with USC.

Watched the Army High Schoolall American game.  A lot of guys commiting to USC, OSU and ND it seemed like.  Put don't get your hopes yet ND fans, I will take a while till for them shine if they aren't a bust.

How a bout Ben Martin committing to UT.  I was a little suprised by that, thought that ND would be more his style.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 10, 2007, 02:29:31 pm
So bored, I need a job!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 10, 2007, 02:32:17 pm
I don't think Gonzo will be opting out early. If both Gonzo and Ginn stay, OSU will return 16 of their 22 starters. They lose 3 on both sides of the ball. With their schedule next year, they could very well go into Ann Arbor undefeated.

It's not like Florida is lying. After watching that game, there are probably 5 teams in the SEC who could have beaten OSU. My buddy made a comment that Wisconsin may have been the best team in the big 10. Their only loss was to Michigan in The Big House. They took care of business against Arkansas, the team who only lost to LSU by 7 and played in the SEC Championship game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 10, 2007, 02:33:37 pm
Ohio State is now 0-8 all time against SEC teams in Bowl Games. The SEC finished the bowl season off 6-3, the Big 10 was 2-5.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 10, 2007, 02:59:09 pm
that's a stat worth noting. i do think the game would have been different if the buckeyes looked a bit more inspired, just my opinion.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 10, 2007, 07:07:24 pm
even if they still had inspiration on there side it doesn't change much your still looking at 34-21 butt whoopen
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 10, 2007, 07:08:19 pm
does any one know of a bar/night club that good use a good bouncer,  willing to be paid in beer!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 11, 2007, 12:24:21 am
OSU needed to run off tackle and inside a lot more to keep the ends in check.  Play action would have been more effective than straight drop for the same reason.  You can't Screen and Draw Florida because they are too fast and have seen every version of it.  You have to run right at them and then throw off of that.  OSU should have POUNDED THE ROCK then worked from there.  They never established anything. 

I wonder if Robbie Schoenhoft (Cincinnati St X.) will get a chance at QB next year.  He's a big departure from Troy Smth.  He's 6'6" and a drop back passer all the way.  I've known him since he was young and I never thought he'd get a shot as a QB.  He looks like a TE and also played BB all throgh high school.  I was surprised to see him at QB after his freshman year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 11, 2007, 05:58:50 am
The next guy in line played a little last year. If Zwick had another year, that would have been great. When I get to school I'll find it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 11, 2007, 07:47:16 am
The front runner for QB next seson at Ohio State is Todd Boeckman. He played his HS ball at St. Henry in Ohio and is 6'5" 235 pounds. He's a redshirt sophomore and will have 2 years of eligibility left. He's a pocket passer like Zwick was.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 11, 2007, 07:51:13 am
Macke, every school in Cincinnati needs substitute teachers. You should be able to work 5 days a week subbing at different schools on the West Side. Most of them pay $75-80 a day, which isn't great, but it pays the bills. The academy on River Road (Riverside I think) was paying subs $100 a day last year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 11, 2007, 08:42:52 am
what i still cant figure out is how they did not get anything going on offense.  they were successful at pounding the rock the few times they tried it.  Pittman average 6.9yds a carry but he only had 10 carries.  only time UF stopped the run was 3/4 & 1.  there were some key penalties that hurt becuase they would get good yards running then someone would get a apenalty so it would still end 3rd and long the the D-ends were in a sprinter stance.

i agree that UF was the better team Monday but i think the stars also aligned for them on Monday.  in a 10 game series i still think OSU takes at least 7, but they got tatoo'd on Monday.  not too many times Leak will play a perfect game, Smith is as accurate as SaintsFan after bouncing of the ALma turf, Ginn breaks his foot on the opening kickoff getting tackled by his OWN team celebrating, brutal penalties at the exact wrong time.  some sour grapes, but that was not the same team we saw all year (and that was not the same UF team we saw all year)

in the terms of getting out coached, i think it is the first time in the tressel era you can say yes, what was suprising is Tressel seems to do well with Mid Game adjustments and that is where they really lacked on monday.

in case OSU fans were wondering it is possible to win a game with less than 100 yds of offense just ask MSJ
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 11, 2007, 09:04:21 am
thoughts on the gaethers 6 year deal with Cincy?

i think it is good since if the offense ever decides to play in the first half of a game they need a strong pass rush and he is a stud rushing the pass.  not the best against the run but has a motor that does not quit so he still makes plays against the run.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 11, 2007, 09:13:47 am
go to ohsaa.org or whatever the website is and look up the classifieds. you can find a lot of coaching opportunities there, which in turn will give you a teaching opportunity. your foot in the door is your football background, good luck with it. a lot regular students can't get in that way, you can.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 11, 2007, 10:40:05 am
VBell, has a point Macke.

I think the signing of Geathers to a 6 year extensions means Justin Smith won't be back. He is one mountain of a man, but he really isn't that good. This was a contract year for him and he still wasn't that great (though this was his best year since his rookie year).

I'd like to see the bengals draft that DT from LSU. I think they said he was 6'4" 325. Geathers and Pollack at DE (word around is Pollack will make a full recovery for next year), Sam Adams and the guy from LSU at DT. That's a solid DLine. I also heard that Jason Taylor was in a contract year this season. He's a former Ohio boy who played ball for the Zips. If Miami doesn't sign him, he'd be great at DE and we could put Pollack back at OLB.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 11, 2007, 10:42:58 am
I'm still ashamed. I've told myself every excuse just to make myself feel better. The fact is this. Everytime people look up the National Championship game that was played in 2007, they will see UF 41, OSU 14. No one will know or care that OSU was the better team for the previous 4 months, they will know that Florida was on that day and that's all that matters.

Just like people will always remember Boise State for that Bowl Game, not for what happened the previous months.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 11, 2007, 11:00:07 am
osu is always a national power though, one set back is not the end of the world. they will still pack the horseshoe with 100+ next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 11, 2007, 11:33:03 am
This is a preview for the upcomming college season in DI.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=2725188

If Ginn and Gonzo stay, Ohio State may move up some spots next year. Regardless, the Big 10 looks to be back on track...FINALLY...after all these years. Wisconsin may be a team to watch out for as a dark horse favorite to win the Nat'l Championship.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 11, 2007, 11:56:49 am
they all better watch out for penn st actually. they only lost to the top teams in the conference by slim margins. they are disciplined and joepa, while ancient, is still a very hands on coach. his team will be coached and disciplined. most people don't like to say it, but penn st may be a bcs team next year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 11, 2007, 12:34:04 pm
I'm already subing at Southwest (harrison) and Three Rivers (Taylor), but I'm already getting any work.  I'm just looking for some part time job on the weekends and something I can do on weeknights.  I'll go on over to Oak Hills and try River Side.

When Jason Taylor was on ESPN this past Sunday he sound pretty intent on staying in South Flordia.  But every has a price tag on them, and Taylor soudned pretty unhappy with the Dolphins this past year so who knows.  He would make a great compliment to the Bengals abviously.  Espicially since Polack Smith are questionable on their return.

When it comes to the Draft I think we need to defiently go the Defensive route espically linebacker because of the lack of depth that we had this and who knows how much longer Brian Simmions has, and doubt that Odel Thurman is coming back.  It would be nice to get some of thoes Penn St. Linebackers.   But yes it would be nice to get some more D-line b/c I was a little disappointed with the play for the rookie from Michician St., he was ok at time in stopping the run and wasn't much better in the pass rush.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 11, 2007, 12:53:44 pm
i think if macleod comes back, you will be a lot better off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 11, 2007, 01:41:56 pm
The news said Pollack is expected to make a "full" recovery. I'd expect him back. I think he is one of the smarter Bengals. He stated many times that if there was even a 5% chance he'd get hurt again, he was going to retire. Most guys would go out like LT in Any Given Sunday. "Come on coach...I need my bonus."

Macke, your best bet since you finished in December (like myself) is to keep subbing. If you can find a local school who needs a long term sub, that would be great because you would have a consistent job and some pay more per day. Plus, the 4-5 months of sub work will look good when you go out to get a real teaching job. Having some experience and all.

I think Wisconsin would be the better choice. That article said they return 19 starters from a team who finished 12-1. That's a whole lot of experience comming back. Their defense also did something no SEC team could do...hold McFadden in check.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 11, 2007, 01:50:39 pm
yes, many principles will get to see you in person and that is how a lot of guys get jobs. principles can see you and that's way better than just sending a resume. don't stress, you'll get one. you sound like you know what's going on.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 11, 2007, 02:06:48 pm
At risk of the board imploding and my many laudations of the Barnette offset fullback system as being the real multiple west coast being cast into eternity....

with no further ado.

Dan Connor would play well in a 50 front as a Ted Smith, cough! cough! Andy Katzenmoyer, Mike Vrable hybrid.

Poslusny either needs to put on some weight or find a home opposite a box safety in a 3-4.  Dont believe his height and weight stats for one minute, but believe he is very fast for a linebacker of any size.

Penn State will be hurting in the LB corps next year, as I wasnt impressed with #45.  He does have greater upside than the two aforementioned most recents at LBU, but has yet to grow into his height or shoe size.

Oh yeah, Cowher with a five point touch fall over Wannstedt in the battle for the jaw.

And Tony Hunt is the hidden gem of the draft for those fans of Leroy Hoard.

signed,
Rip Engle

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 11, 2007, 03:29:26 pm
god it's good to see that again.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 11, 2007, 10:59:06 pm
thanks for the insight fellas
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 11, 2007, 11:02:04 pm
Hey, I know that the college football season has finally come to an end, and this is the down time.  But where have all the other MSJ faithful gone?  In fact where did everyone else go?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 12, 2007, 05:52:00 am
Macke, whats your certification?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 12, 2007, 08:15:49 am
I ate my words, Gonzo has decided for the NFL. So too has ND's Darius Walker. Normally I'd say Ted Ginn would be leaving as well (and he very well may), but with his ankle sprain, he won't be able to do any workouts for scouts. As a result, his draft status may lower if scouts can't test him. That in turn may keep him around for another year.

Antonio Pittman is also contemplating the draft. I really don't think he will go becuase teams are going to be more out to get a good HB next year when Hart, McFadden, and Slaton are eligible for the draft. On the flip side, that may send him out becuase he may get a higher round if he leaves early than he would next year. The OSU O-line does return 4 linemen now that Barton said he's staying and with a new QB, OSU will be a more run oriented offense, so who knows.

If Pittman and Ginn go, I see a 9-3 season at best for the Bucks next year. Columbus isn't as good of a recruiting tool as the Southern California beaches and women. It's hard to stockpile talent when the best thing around is Cluck-U and 4 Kegs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 12, 2007, 08:55:54 am
Cluck-u and 4 Kegs?  WHERE DO I SIGN

Pittman has a press conference scheduled on Monday at is High School in Akron.  if you are announcing you are coming back for your senior season you are going to do that with all of the OSU faithful around in Columbus, not at your high school in Akron.  Also do you think Tressel would want him skipping class on a Monday if he was staying.  Pittman is out like a fat kid in dodgeball.  Ginn is not coming back, i dont think he needs the combine, scouts saw first hand his speed about 8:20pm on Monday
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 12, 2007, 09:39:16 am
my certification is Secondary Social Studies
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 12, 2007, 12:06:18 pm
I get my wish about Walker leaving.  Now we'll get a speedy TB...a gamebreaker.

I kind of figured OSU was going to lose alot this year....those guys are contemplating life without Troy Smith....they just can't trust the new QB.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 12, 2007, 01:52:12 pm
So, what are picks for this Weekend in the NFL, espically the Colts Ravens game.  Thinken about placing a little beat a roonie on that one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 12, 2007, 01:57:38 pm
I know that defense teams always come out on top, but I could really go either way on this one!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 12, 2007, 01:59:45 pm
dam i'm pissed.  I want my starting status back to that I can sent messages again.
Sayer I got to tell you something that you might find interesting.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 12, 2007, 02:07:51 pm
SAINTSFAN, i feel the same way about Walker, not enough speed. 

Macke, I got a job idea for you. Tell people you are Aaron Harang, from the Reds, and charge people for an autograph.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 12, 2007, 02:10:41 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=6936
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 12, 2007, 02:11:44 pm
sayer, doesn't he look like Macke???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 12, 2007, 02:19:46 pm
SOP, it's worth a shot!

I'm heading down to the ballpark right now to buy his jersey.  Then I'm goiong to set up shop out side the ballpark just like the homeless people do.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 12, 2007, 02:53:25 pm
Tried that with a Bernie Kosar jersey.  Drove the Golden Dome ladies mad.  Was the sister of a Domer, believe she was a Bob Knight fan actually, that insisted on the resemblance.  Kinda scary when I saw Bolcar coming around the corner.  Was quick to point out my favorite steakhouse is a Stonebreaker establishment to say the least.

Hep Hep,
Dunbar and Thompson
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 12, 2007, 03:36:11 pm
If he looks like Harang...he might want to consider getting a customer service job at Citibank or something ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on January 12, 2007, 04:55:35 pm
I get my wish about Walker leaving.  Now we'll get a speedy TB...a gamebreaker.

I kind of figured OSU was going to lose alot this year....those guys are contemplating life without Troy Smith....they just can't trust the new QB.

i think you will also be pleased with the new defensive coordinator...we ain't giving up on Ben Martin yet  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 12, 2007, 06:32:26 pm
shoota!!!! you wanna go the sizzler and get some grub?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 13, 2007, 08:27:19 am
Except for the fact that Aaron Harang is like 6'8" but yeah, Macke looks like him.  Jim, send me an email adam_sayer@hotmail.com. You can tell me whatever you want. The Doctor is in.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 13, 2007, 09:39:10 am
Yes ND is going to have a rough season next year but i think they will still be eligible for a BCS bowl.  Again it looks like they have a killer beginning half schedule then end their season with the patsies.  Opening with G Tech is going to be a good tester esp with they way their backup played in the bowl game (but with calvin johnson gine their DB's won't be tested). then they follow that up with their Big 10 schedule.  THen they must travel to UCLA then back home to revive the rivalry with BC then follow that with USC at home.  i think they can make it out of that schedule with 2 or less loses and be eligible.  I am not saying they will be worthy of the bowl but they will be eligible.

I think it will help that jimmy boy is there taking classes right now and learning the offense this spring and summer.  hopefully that will help the freshman learning curve.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 13, 2007, 09:45:49 am
on the NFL side i am going to make some bold predictions

Colts - going back to the town they just left overnight and will have the same departure after they win this game

Pats - i just don't see a rookie QB beating bill in a playoff game - i think he will have many defensive looks that will confuse rivers and he will also contain LT for most of the game.  key word is contain b/c i don't think he can be stopped.

Saints - emotional win here just like the fist home game against the ATL

Seahawks - Sexy Rexy is too inconsistent for my liking but it might all come together for him the same way it did for leak.  i see a low scoring affair for this game.


I know i went with 3 out of 4 road teams considering the home team wins 80% of the time in the divisional round.  But all rational thinking went out the window when UF just made THE ohio state SUCKeyes their personal whipping boys (i know this OSU comment is going to give me negative karma but oh well - lol)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 13, 2007, 04:19:54 pm
The NFC games seem pretty definet with Da Bears and the Saints.

I hate to say it but i think that the Ravens are going to disguise coverages and blitzes, and really come after Payton.

With Jamuel Lewis running the ball a on weak rush defense it seems like a pretty easy pick to me.

In the Chargers and Patriots game. I'm going with the LT factor and Shaune Marrion on defense.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 13, 2007, 11:29:17 pm
Well, who the **** knows? The Colts won and the Saints. But I will say that the playoff games thus far have been good ngames. Me and you, your momma and your cousin too.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 14, 2007, 04:48:33 am
So, giving out point spreads at the breakfast counter this morning and the Colts-Baltimore game is brought up.  The line in the local paper, dont know if it was the national line or not, favored the Ravens by four.  Quickly proceeded to start handing the line out at 12 for the Dolts.

Now, havent bet on football since January of 86, and even then it was like some attrition fantasy league, where you want the players from your favorites opposition on your fantasy roster to play well and their teammates to lose the ball game for the sake of your real team (read: not fantasy.)  AKA - a point teaser... you know, where all you have to get are the digits in the right hand column correct.

The 86 scenario cost 15 grand on a needless field goal.  Grogans neckroll  alone should have gotten one more first down.  Damn Patriots!

The only reason I bring this up is due to the fact that the Colts got the ball back for the last play of the game well within field goal range. 

Not to be confused with a Bears fan or a Dolts fan, prefer to define my professional football fanship universe as what it is not: a Patriots fan.  Marsha! Marsha! Marsha!

Can see it now, the headline will read like this if the Dolts dont get to play the Bolts - that kicker always beats the Colts.  Somebody go warm Vrable up on the jugs machine.

UST Aquinas
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 14, 2007, 08:46:04 pm
Tepee, I got Pink Eye. You know how you get that don't ya?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 14, 2007, 09:16:14 pm
Sister just called from San Diego and says I have to do her chores for a month. 

Greg
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 14, 2007, 11:20:37 pm
well 3 out of 4 isn't bad esp when the loss is in OT i was pretty dang close.  we have two great games next sunday with the RCA dome holding its first ever conference championship game, plus manning v. brady plus colts v. pats a matchup i think all NFL fans love

in the NFC we have the feel good story against the reborn monsters of the midway.  that bears pass D had some huge holes in it and the saints have been able to throw the ball against anyone this should be another very good game
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 15, 2007, 01:40:44 am
if i had many sweaters, would you say that i had a plethora of sweaters?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maxamillion on January 15, 2007, 09:39:02 am
and some people say cuecumber taste better pickle..what? huh? what?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 15, 2007, 11:25:45 am
Anybody notice that Marsha was throwing the ball to Rexs receivers?  Or the fact a Bloomington kids starting in front of the son of the greatest Purdue QB and a former Purdue QB versus old man Grieses potential usurper this coming week?

If I had some nuts hanging on the wall would they be walnuts?

signed,
Herrod, Krauss, Donnell "woot! woot!" Thompson and Bickett
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 15, 2007, 11:37:59 am
victory bell: In my old neighborhood we would have said that you have a ****load.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 15, 2007, 11:46:46 am
Sayer I don't know how you get pink eye, but i will ask Fortune.  Maybe he can help me! :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 15, 2007, 12:18:05 pm
i know how ya get pink I.  Have you been hanging around doug fortune?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 15, 2007, 12:31:41 pm
ya, from not washen the poo off your hands Sayer

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 15, 2007, 12:39:44 pm
Now for the football games this weekend.   They pretty much went how i expected thme go with the Colt going into Baltimore and pulling out a W.  How about their kicker Adam Vinitary really stepping it up and booting 5 field goals.  The guy has a golden leg.

For the Patriots Charger game I was very disappionted in the Chargers.  Early on all the droppeed passes that WR's commited, and overall how the team overall justed couldn't capitalize on the Pat's mistakes and couldn't get it done.   Lt had another good day, and what a heck of an athlete.  Just a shame that Marty had to end a seasonm in the playoffs on one play that game down to the kicker.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 15, 2007, 01:20:24 pm
sorry guys, i was watching the three amigos and it brought me back to my youth.

you guys think wvu will be a contender after the majority of the staff is up and leaving for different jobs? i had heard some people had them rated in the top five again next year with all talent they have coming back, just curious.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 15, 2007, 06:48:59 pm
Well I am officially on the Saints (pro) bandwagon after this weekends games.  I can't believe the Chargers beat themselves like that.  That was hard to watch.  I really wanted to see Drew Brees play the Chargers in the Super Bowl.  I hope Freeney destroys the Pats and Corey Dillon breaks his leg.  Payton Manning is going to make Artrell Hawkins look like he did on the Bengals.  Go Saints. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 15, 2007, 08:31:52 pm
FCC,

I knew you'd come around  ;D

I agree...I'm tired of Brady-Belichek and the Patriots.  Thank God that Rodney Harrison is out though.  Funny thing is I read a story about Albert Haynesworth meeting Harrison after he stomped on that Cowboy's grill.  They were at Waffle House in Atlanta and Harrison drove up in a Yellow Lamborghini....

So the guy can afford a Diablo but eats at Waffle House in the hood?  Hilarious. 

I think Peyton Manning makes Troy Brown look stupid on the last drive this Saturday and then Brees leads the Saints to a blow out. 

Its going to be an awesome Super Bowl with those two teams.  Just make sure the Pats don't make it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 15, 2007, 08:34:49 pm
vbell,

I have to hear about this team all the time becuase of the West Virginians in my office.  They have a much easier road with Petrino leaving.  Really though, they'll still lose a game they should win (ala South Florida at HOME).  They turn the ball over too much with fumbles.  They also need to replace a couple offensive lineman. 

I think Rutgers wins the Big East next year....WVU 2nd, Cincinnati 3rd and Louisville 4th. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 15, 2007, 09:09:34 pm
UC 3rd may be a stretch with a brand new staff, offense and defense, but the Big East will be a weaker conference next year than it was this year so it wouldn't suprise me. Now that the State University of New Jersey is playing solid ball, Schiano won't have trouble keeping the local kids home. His program is now The Team in that Penn/New York/New Jersey area.

I do agree, somewhat but I haven't heard Brohm was leaving so I think louisville will finish ahead of UC. Ted Ginn and Pittman are gone from OSU. Will definately be a tough year on offense next year. The good thing is Beanie Wells is a heck of a back and he has 4 returning O-linemen, the PK is back, and the defense returns pretty much intact. I think OSU will be playing "Tressel Ball" again. Which is the style of play which won the Nat'l Championship in 2002...with a 1st year starting QB, a freshman HB named Clarrett, and a stout defense.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 16, 2007, 10:54:50 am
i just read that they ran a good respectable program at stout, good choice for those kids looking to avoid the pitfalls of a miami university. didn't really think that sort of thing went on at a d3 school, but i guess we all have our problems.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 18, 2007, 09:26:33 am
This board is dead..

Where is everyone?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 18, 2007, 10:29:06 am
im here man, i check this everyday looking for commentary.

good piece on around the nation. good job keith.

IAA football? sore spot of college football? there seems to be more interest in DIII and DII then IAA. Some perceptions I have heard about IAA is that its just not a good following from facilities, players, fan base, etc... thoughts? I know YSU has a great fan base and APP St looked like it had a huge croud on tv, just wanted to get your opinions.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 18, 2007, 10:57:22 am
In 2005 Division IAA had average attendance of 8521 per game; Division III 1840. The strongest DIAA conference in terms of 2005 home attendance was the Southern (Appalachian St., Furman, Georgia Southern, Western Carolina, Chattanooga, Wofford, The Citadel, Elon) with an average of 11,138. In 2005 6 Division IA colleges had average home attendance lower than 11,138. Montana led DIAA with average 2005 home attendance of 22,479 (higher than 34 DIA colleges).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 18, 2007, 11:12:55 am
ha, i doubt there is much to do in montana besides attend games, but the attendance is noted anyways. the big grizz there pull them in.

i though app st looked very impressive in their game against ysu on espn2. their qb is only a frosh, and they may make a run at it for a few more years. they did a nice piece on their president being so supportive for the football and other sports teams there. every school should be so lucky to have a pro-active president in favor of sports. sports enhance the overall college experience for the students, and i think hanover's president forgot some of that. i feel for you guys, not that i like hanover, but you guys did have a good thing going until...admissions standards. any word on the recruiting down there this year? getting any better? what's up hc'rs?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 18, 2007, 11:16:11 am
Frank,

Congrats on being elected to the posting Hall of Fame. 

I hear you vbell....its such a lull on the board. 

The guys around here will get back into it shortly,./
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 18, 2007, 11:23:11 am
Hunt and fish.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 18, 2007, 11:31:59 am
SaintsFan: Many thanks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 18, 2007, 11:35:34 am
Bill Venard could tell you what to do in Montana...other than sheep....which brings me to a funny joke he told us. Why do farmers take their sheep to the edge of cliffs??? Because they kep backing up :) One of the many sheep jokes.

I just don't have anything to talk about. Got a new job for 10 weeks in the Bethel district. I'm teaching 7th grade math and social studies for a lady out on maternity leave...which means now I'll be getting paid to do work. Just like the rest of y'all. But it should be a bigger paycheck...Whooahh.

I'm out like Montana's fan base during a steak cook off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AngryWhiteMan on January 18, 2007, 11:58:58 am
January 18th 2007 12:30 PM

a day that will live in emphamy. 


tmc will be in the hunt for a national championship in 3-4 years i guarante.  saintsfan, you are getting the BEST possbile coach for your situation.


ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh msj, why could have not f*$&ing offered the man more. :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maxamillion on January 18, 2007, 01:20:23 pm
Congrads to Coach Hilvert on getting hired by TMC, that program is going to be one top in the next few years.  Just wait till he recruits next year and gets his players wow is all i got to say it is going to be scary.  And TMC players if you come on here and look at this get ready to get nasty with it.  This man is in your face 247 pushing you to be the best player you can possibly be.  And some how some way he always gets results.  Angry i agree give it 3-4 years and wait and see where that program will be at.  Just hope the Mount hires someone like Hilvert even though it will be hard to do, cause they are still on the rise and don't want to face any set backs
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maxamillion on January 18, 2007, 01:23:49 pm
http://www.thomasmore.edu/athletics/Football/

hahaha such a sad day in delhi, i wonder how many beers those players are going to be drinking tonight
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Softball Ump on January 18, 2007, 03:30:53 pm
Jim Hilvert the new head coach at TMC....  HOW BOUT DAT!!!!  Good for TMC,,, bad for UB.  But MSJ fans....  AHHH....  Dah Lions will be allright.      I promise ya!  UB has a stack of resumes of guys who want to coach at MSJ.  UB will have to hire them all to replace Jimmy though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 18, 2007, 03:51:18 pm
No comment.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 18, 2007, 04:05:16 pm
it would appear that the stars are in alignment for franklin to win the conference championship with all this news.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 18, 2007, 06:44:02 pm
any ga jobs out there, i know a guy looking.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 18, 2007, 08:26:32 pm
First things first..  I hope Coach Dorrel does well wherever he ends up.  Maybe Hilvert keeps him as Defensive Coordinator? 

By all accounts, it appears TMC got what they needed in Hilvert.  Coach Hallett left a great base of players, and I think Hilvert is going to make sure these guys are going to "buy in".  And I think they will....just as we did in 1999.  There are alot of things happening at the school that are going to make TMC VERY competitive in the near future.  I think Coach Hilvert and his staff will be able to recruit greater Cincinnati like Schlager, Venard and Kofler did for the Blue Rebels/Saints in the early to mid 90s.

I know that Coach Hilvert doesn't need to worry about any MSJ bias on the campus or from alums.  Most alums just want a coach to build on the tradition of TMC.  You also have to remember that basically every coach we've had since football started in 1990 have not been TMC guys...with the exception of Hallett.  My point is the school hasn't played enough football to truly have a TMC Coaching Tree per say.  I've spoken to a few former players and they are excited with the decision that has been made.  In a year, the "former MSJ Defensive Coordinator" label will be gone. 

Very exciting day for Thomas More today....

RTD
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 18, 2007, 09:45:33 pm
WOW, what a tuff one to swallow.  TMC was always the biggest rival for me because i disliked those guys so darn much, heck it was easy for me to dislike those guys so much becasue of the way they treated me on my recruiting vist.  And i thought Hilvert always thought the same way.  But being the head guy you can change all that kind stuff.

But when opportunitiy comes knocking on your door you have answer it.  Congradulations to Hilvert.  He is a great person, great coach, and a great friend.  I support him in any thing that he does.  I guess it means that in a year or a two I am going to probably have to support TMC.  But what do i do when week 10 roles a round and TMC plays MSJ?  I guess hope for a tie  ;)

But how did the Mount let this one get away man. This is truely a sad day in Delhi b/c Hilvert is going to build that thing up faster than a Charlie gets into a tree.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 18, 2007, 10:33:44 pm
any ga jobs out there, i know a guy looking.

vbell:

Most likely you know this.  However, you should have your friend consider going to one of those Mega Coaching Conferences they have in the next couple of months.  Those two day conferences held at various locations around the country (many in the MidWest) have big-time speakers, and hundreds of coaches (both college and h.s.) in attendance.  Always a place to find out about available jobs at all collegiate levels.  Of course, the other great source for this is the Annual NCAA Coaching Convention, usually held in Dallas in Jan - may have already been held or perhaps even this weekend - I wasn't sure nor did I check on the date for that this year.  Just some thoughts on your question.

formerd3db
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 18, 2007, 10:41:03 pm
SaintsFAN:

Thanks for the info.  Interesting and sounds like TMC is a program to be watched for sure next year.  BTW, hope your recovery is going along smoothly.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 18, 2007, 11:33:12 pm
M and L:

You will definitely be rooting for TMC until week 10 and then you'll want MSJ to kick there ass.  The nice thing is that both can make the playoffs no matter who wins.  It is truely a free playoff game.  I found myself calling plays against my school in 2002 and that was very odd.  My saving grace was that we were the Blue Rebels when I was there not the Saints, we played at Galbraith Field instead of on campus, and I didn't have many common faces to go against.  It felt pretty distant actually.  It's going to be a lot harder for Hilvert this 1st year going back to MSJ in week 10.  Everything will fade away after that except you former players.  Maybe some former MSJ players will even coach at TMC one day.  I speak from experience.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 19, 2007, 07:18:08 am
i would like to say congrats to hilvert and TMC.  as everyone has already stated TMC got a great quality coach that is going to improve their team.  someone mentioned about him keeping the DC there which he might but i can't see jimmy letting anyone else call his defense. someone might have the label of DC but i think jim will keep his defensive duties.  yes hilvert will have more responsibilities to deal with but at MSJ he was practically the head coach over there.  it is going to be interesting to see how the recruiting is going to go.  i think MSJ is going to lose some good ball players to TMC now b/c every past MSJ player would agree that hilvert was one of the top reasons why they went there.  after talking to some MSJ coaches last year about recruiting they were telling me how the TMC financial aid packages were much much better then MSJ.  they told me how they lost some players to TMC solely on money situations.  so with TMC having better financial aid packages and an in your face going to push you to your limits coach i could see TMC possibly winning their conference next year and making a trip to the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 19, 2007, 11:21:28 am
thanks, he is a guy just looking to get into college coaching. young guy, some would even say a young buck. i'll let you guys know if he gets one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 19, 2007, 03:08:44 pm
rev,

You got this financial aid deal a little twisted, bro.  Thomas More was the team that was coming up $6,000-$7,000-$8,000 short on financial aid packages over the past 10 years...each player that was offered by both Thomas More and Mount St. Joe can fill you in on that---if they haven't been drinking the same kool aid that you have been. 

No offense brother, but thats just not the case. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 19, 2007, 06:14:01 pm
saints fan well i guess the MSj coaches are drinking the same thing as me b/c here are the exact words from a MSJ coach last offseason "it was cheaper for this recruit to dorm at TMC than commute to MSJ"  now to me that sounds like a better financial aid package.  and this recruit went to TMC instead of the mount.  also this same coach told me that TMC was offering better packages than the mount was for various reasons.  now the packages may have been better in the past but recently it seems like TMC has that edge now.  most of you know which coach i am talking about FYD.  things can change and i guess financial aid packages are no exception
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 19, 2007, 06:45:02 pm
well then the tmc average student body must be getting darn close to the same packages. as stated in my earlier fights with the hc crowd (just because i like picking on them), they stated (correctly) that the student body must receive the same averages as the athletes. otherwise it would be considered an athletic scholarship.

the ncaa has a system of checks and balances for this sort of thing. they check records to make sure similar students are not getting higher aid and that they play sports, which could be red flag. to quote the program, they ncaa has a system in place for this sort of thing, i suggest that we let them handle it. however, if you feel so strongly about it, you can file a complaint and be sort of a whistle blower. we can call you deepthroat.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 19, 2007, 11:54:27 pm
yes i wasn't directly saying that the athletes were getting better packages i was just stating that TMC had better packages than MSJ it had nothing to do with athletics i nthat way the only connection to athletics i was making was that some students make their final decision on which college will be cheaper for them and if TMC is giving th ebetter aide then that might steal a few from the mount
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 20, 2007, 12:24:05 am
I'm sittin here in west virginia after watching some of the worst officiating in wrestling history. I already plan on kicking an officials a$$ tomorrow. I think as MSJ guys, we knew this day was comming. Maybe not at TMC but we knew the day Jim Hilvert became a HC was coming. Sooner than later too. I have no remorce for TMC. I have many friends who have attended their and have gotten along with their coaches and players. I hope he does well, except for week 11. 10-0 MSj vs 10-0 TMC. HOW BOUT DAT.

Also, the financial packages are about equal. Back in the day (2000) MSJ gave me a better deal than TMC, I'm sure it switches every couple years.

SaintsFan...no more RTD :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 20, 2007, 08:10:36 am
some students make their final decision on which college will be cheaper for them and if TMC is giving th ebetter aide then that might steal a few from the mount
And Rev,

What I am telling you is its the OTHER WAY AROUND.   So there's no such thing as a GCL Grant?

Agree to disagree. 


Sayer,

You were already a TMC fan basically except for week 11...so what changes for you? 

Seriously though sorry to hear about your experience in WV...do you expect much less down there?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 20, 2007, 08:20:14 am
congrats, to coach Hilvert.  He is a hell of a coach and even a better person.  He needs to get the mascot changed back to Blue Rebels, or even better TMC Hitmen!  How bout that!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 21, 2007, 01:04:59 pm
You can tell by looking at some of those kids that their families are a little "too" close. I'm an ugly bastard and I look like George Clooney compared to these guys. I did throw a rule book onto the mat on Saturday and told the official to learn how to read. That cost me a team point and was threatend to be removed from the tournament. I belive when Huber was the wrestling coach, he used the line once when an official threatend to take away a team point: "take em all, I don't f'in need em."

I guess nothing really changes at all, but if I'm Rod, I'm looking for another coach with some strong Cincy Area connections. Hilvert's relationship with area coaches is going to help recruiting big time...almost like Coombs at UC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 21, 2007, 02:14:42 pm
Sayer i like the move but the high School refs are not quite as nice when it comes to smart ass comments...still funny though.

sitting here waiting for the playoff games and found the Program on Starz.  Tim Wayman just went to the house to take the lead in the Hiseman chase.

VB sorry for being quiet been travelling a lot start of the year sucks in sales becuase you have to attend 20 planning meetings.  although the next 2 week should be a riot.  3 day meeting at the Mohegan Sun Casino next week then 5 days in Waikiki for another meeting...rough i know
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 21, 2007, 09:39:57 pm
When your dealing with kids (most of these officials were in their young 20's) and they are on a power trip, you gotta insult them or embarrass them in front of someone. Arguing isn't going to do any good. It's like banging your head against a wall. I gave up a team point but we wern't going to win a team championship anyways. It took this kid about 3 seconds to pick his jaw off the mat to tell me I lost a team point and anything else would get me removed. The best part was later in the evening after the HS kids finished, he found me in the hall to talk to me. I told him I didn't teach literacy, I taught math and to leave me alone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on January 21, 2007, 11:19:28 pm
what a hell of a game that late game was. finally manning has that silverback down graded to just a monkey on hi sback with that gime winning drive against the pats.  i think it makes for an interesting super bowl matchup but the bears pass defense has looked a little suspect the past two weeks but their running game has looked solid.  but this is three straight games the colts defense has held the opposing team to under 100 yards rushing.  they have stepped it up and jus tneed one more big game.  i think dungy will plan on just stopping the run and try to let rex beat him.  the tackles for the bears don't look like they will be able to hand the pass rush of freeny that well.  i think the cotls are going to win it all this year and they will win by 3
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 22, 2007, 12:22:20 am
Ya, but the Colts gave up like 82 yards in the first half.  Don't know why the Pats gave up on the run game in the second half.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 22, 2007, 12:28:39 pm
must have been because of all the All-Pro receivers New England thinks they have. 

Really it was Offensive Coordinator McDaniels out-thinking himself. 

The Bears are going to run all over the Colts...  Manning is going to be under intense pressure to score on the limited possessions he gets as a result of the new ball control offense.  Once those DE's for the Bears get their ears pinned back to rush him, they'll be comparing them (rightly or wrongly) to the Monsters of the Midway. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 22, 2007, 11:52:49 pm
This Super Bowl could go in so many directions because you have Rex Grossman playing QB.  If the Bears run the ball and take deep shots then they could force Manning to press.  If they want Rex to control the ball with his arm then I think the Indy pass rush will force un-recoverable errors.  Having said that, if Indy can't get it in the endzone and Vinatieri has to kick a record number of field goals then Chicago can stay in reach.   Then the Chicago's run game can win it for the Bears.  If they stay close and patient then they may take it.  I'd bet the reverse however.  I think early scores by Indy forces the Bear's hand and they never recover.  They will need a defensive score to turn that around or have no chance.

Like I said, who knows.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 23, 2007, 08:04:44 am
The Saints offense was able to move the ball on Da Bears pretty effectively...until they kept turning it over. Once everything settled down after the 1st quarter (no team scored) the Saints did pretty well on offense. But it doesn't matter how many yards you rack up if you don't hold on to the football and that's what ultimately killed the Saints offense; not lack of production. I think the Colt's offense is better fundamentally than the Saints and you're giving Payton Manning 2 weeks to watch film and prepare. Da Bear's defense has also given up quite a few big plays and isn't the same dominating force like they were in weeks 1-8. I don't think the colts have to worry about Da Bears ball control offense because Rex will fold and eventually provide some TO's.

I'm seeing a 27-14 Colts win. I think Payton's problems were in large part due to the team in Boston and that coach and now that he's beaten him/them, the pressure is actually off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 23, 2007, 08:49:04 pm
Well put FCC Approved, I agree

But for my pick I am sticking with preason pick in the Colts. This is one Chance that Payton isn't going to let slipp.  Besides, I just think the colts are the all around better team.

Sayer, 27 pts, thats it.   At least 30-34 pts. 3 TD's and who knows how many FG Vinatieri makes
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 23, 2007, 11:40:04 pm
saintsfan, thank you. i agree.

this game could be one for the ages, the superbowl i mean. high powered offense vs the high powered defense. last time we saw this type of a draw was the patriots vs the rams. i love indy and manning (his commercials are great. "moooovers") and i love the bears defense.

for those who know a bit about indiana, the state may be somewhat divided as most of the people from the region consider themselves chicago residents, not from indiana. should make for some great superbowl parties with many many wings and beer. lots of beer. i love it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 24, 2007, 07:49:50 am
Just the NW Corner of Indiana down until you get to Valpo on 65 is still "Chicago's suburbs." Everyone else in Indiana are most likely to be Colts Fans.

When I was in Chi-Town, our hotel was 1/2 mile from Soldier Field. I didn't realize how small it was before they added on to it. Just by looking, it seems as if they could only fit 40-45,000 people in it before remodeling.

I remember the Rams-Pats game becuase I won a lot of money by taking the Pats outright. The Rams were double-digit favorites and I bet on the Patriots to win (not just beat the spread). It was about a $200 lucky guess.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 24, 2007, 08:22:42 am
Sayer,

having lived in Indianapolis prior to during the first year the Colts were there, I can tell you that most of the state are huge Bears fans because thats all they had prior to Irsay leaving Baltimore in the middle of the night in 84ish.  Indy embraced the Colts right away even though they were TERRIBLE with Mike Pagel at QB, then supported them through the Eric Dickerson days and then now...

I still have cousins and a late aunt/uncle up there who are pulling for both.  They are indeed Colts fans, but they won't be pissed at either result.

Its funny all this talk is going on, because I'm going to a cousin's wedding in Phoenix in 6 weeks (I have a huge family) and most everyone brought up this very subject yesterday via email.  The consensus was that my grandfather would be VERY excited to see this Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 24, 2007, 11:02:04 am
As originally constructed in the 20s (and before 2 relatively recent renovations) Soldier Field had a seating capacity for football games in excess of 100,000.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 24, 2007, 11:58:50 am
Frank is right, the original stadium was a huge oval, but kind of cut it short for football purposes. the original 100 + seating wasn't all that great for football. on the one end you were like 70 yards away from the nearest endzone.

region people really like the bears, chicago, and bad traffic. really bad traffic.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 24, 2007, 04:06:21 pm
Sayer, Look at the new o-line coach /offensive cordinator at TMC....


http://www.thomasmore.edu/athletics/Football/assistants.cfm



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 24, 2007, 04:42:28 pm
You gotta be kidding me. Sh!t yeah we'll line up. I bet the offense don't take written quizes now at TMC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 24, 2007, 05:02:02 pm
colts 18
bears 17

thoughts? predictions?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 24, 2007, 07:14:01 pm
you got to be kidding me.  Good for Carp.

Did you see who is at Linebackers?  Didn't take long for PJ and Hilvert to reunite, and I bet it feels so good.   Good for PJ.

It looks like TMC is going to have a nice staff over there.

I can only speculate at who is going to be the D-line coach?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 25, 2007, 08:09:37 am
alot of changes at TMore this year....hopefully the field gets an upgrade as well.

The football alumni are meeting Coach Hilvert on Saturday...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 25, 2007, 09:11:12 am
Macke, are you referring to "Softball Ump" as the new D-line coach??? I know what I can do. I can be the TMC director of player interests and football opperations. Kind of like the new Oakland coach when he was in his first (and only) NFL authority position at Jacksonville.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AngryWhiteMan on January 25, 2007, 09:17:33 am
i would say that peters is a safe bet
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 25, 2007, 01:21:12 pm
If word around is true, TMC found themselves a kick coach and QB coach all wrapped up in one.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 25, 2007, 03:49:59 pm
i take it you guys know all these guys?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 25, 2007, 04:11:05 pm
Really, man, that stinks because their not going to understand a word that man says with that texian jibberish.  ;)

Don't see why Peters wouldn't but you never know what hubbie is offering.  I doubt that he would quite his teaching job.  But its what ever works best for him.

V-bell: We know everyone and then some.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 25, 2007, 04:21:28 pm
Sayer,

More like JP has found his way BACK to Thomas More.   This way he can one day be up for an induction at the school.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 25, 2007, 06:53:31 pm
Yes, I have committed to Coach QB's for TMC which means I won't be able to post on here any longer.  I'm really looking forward to working with Charlie Carpenter.   I may have to get a divorce and may lose my business but I can't pass it up this year.  One more time right?   I'll stop by to say hi once in a while. 

See you all during the season!

Coach John Paul Case
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 26, 2007, 09:23:45 am
Congrats to you JP.  Coach carp is a good guy.  Real laid back until he hits the practice field.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 26, 2007, 10:55:16 am
FCC (i.e. Coach JP):

Just wanted to offer my congratulations to you on your new coaching position.  For sure, decisions like that are difficult to make in regards to one's family life and other employment.  However, opportunities like that don't always present and when they do, as you mention, sometimes we just have to take them as they might not pass our way again.  I can speak from personal experience in having had the same opportunity like you in a collegiate coaching position (for me, it probably was one of those "once in a lifetime") and I'm glad I did it.  At any rate, I wish you all the best in your new position.  We'll miss your contributions on the board, but obviously we'll all be following your team along with the rest of ours around here. 

All the best,
formerd3db
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 26, 2007, 11:32:40 am
Will resume one of the last rants had on the HCAC board before its suspicious demise.  This ones for the Griz and Saintsfan, has the Lambert Cup ever made it as far East as Kentucky?  As honorary HCAC champs according to Saintsfan and myself being an outsider to the PAC board felt that statement belonged here, at least there is now a tie in to PA.

Appears to be one helluva coaching staff forming on the other side of the Bridge Bowl.  This could get very interesting.

signed,
the Pilsbury throwboy
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 26, 2007, 01:34:31 pm
will tmc have a hard time with all the travel to the road games? those hikes have got to get old after awhile??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 26, 2007, 02:00:23 pm
How many trips do they have to make that would require them to stay overnight? Two maybe three.  It shouldn't be all that bad
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 26, 2007, 02:02:56 pm
vbell:

Perhaps our friend SaintsFAN can provide us with some insight on that.  I have wondered about that from the beginning as well.  While it is great that TMC became a member of a conference, IMO, it is still too bad they were taken in to the HCAC (if not only for the travel aspects among other reasons - many of which we've had mulitple discussions in the past on this in regards to the "historical" disagreements/controversies, difference of opinions, political aspects, etc. involved among the schools considering that.

On the other hand, I guess one could look at it as being that there are only (usually) 5 away games for TMC (one of which, in some years, is only across the river with MSJ for the annual "Bridge Bowl") so perhaps 4-5 trips in the overall perspective is not too bad in that light.  Certainly, TMC considered that when they joined the PAC, yet, like you, I wonder if this travel aspect can't but be a "tiresome" aspect at times, even if just a slightly.  Yet, TMC had to do this somewhat before anyway, when they had to line up games before being in a conference (i.e. playing Alma, etc.).  Anyway, I will be interested to hear any opinions and/or info on this from SaintsFAN and/or any other TMC fans as to what the coaching staff and players might think.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 26, 2007, 02:06:26 pm
Addendum:

M & L you have a point.  Perhaps there are only 2-3 of those 4-5 trips that would require overnight stays and thus i.e. more $.  Still, an 8 hour+ bus trip can get old as opposed to a 2-3 hour ride.  Most schools have only "one long distance card" played per year (you know, those "home on home" agreements between schools for a set contract). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 26, 2007, 05:14:11 pm
I think the team is adjusting to the travel.  The level of competition over in the PAC is great and I think that once the team gets into the big dance, the team will be prepared for it.  They play against teams that spread it out and throw and also teams that grind it out.  Its a good mix...

I don't think it affects the kids as much as we'd think...I can remember when I was in school and the road trips (to TX, WI, and Pittsburgh) didn't really affect me so much.

Macleod,

I'll get to that later....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 26, 2007, 06:54:03 pm
that is true. that conf is pretty tough, and if you do well in it you get national recognition immediately. i imagine the budget had to be greater to account for renting buses and hotels at times. that is a large investment by the school, and one that can dip into your recruiting budget if the school hasn't planned accordingly. i still won't understand why tmc wasn't in the hcac, but it's good to see a "local" school doing well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 27, 2007, 05:14:48 pm
when i played we had 2 overnight road trips, but it never affected our play or bothered us.  It was just business as usuall. 

TMC should have been allowed in the HCAC, but i don't think that the AD's and coaches would vote or allow them in because at the time TMC was so competitive and give those schools a run for their money.  Think about, TMC could have joined the conference and won the HCAC championship their first year and went to the playoffs.  I don't think that would look to good concerning other schools in the conference.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 27, 2007, 08:31:07 pm
M & L and vbell:

There are many people who would agree with you that TMC should be in the HCAC.  However, unfortunately, there is much more to that situation with regards to some political disagreements, controversies and other aspects on both sides and some "behind the scenes" issues that were at the center of that consideration in recent years.  This has been discussed and debated by many on this board quite extensively in past years and is a rather sensative subject.  As such, I would say that most people would prefer not to bring this up again here for legit reasons.  However, if you sincerely want to know some of the history of these past issues regarding this, may I suggest you contact SaintsFAN "off-line" (and also some of the other HCAC veteran posters) and he/they could provide you with some insight into all of this.  While I know some aspects because of someone close to me who had been involved in a "tangential" way with TMC in the early '90's, I am/was basically an "outsider" to some of the other aspects invovled and as such, do not feel I am qualified to relate specifics, nor do I consider myself an expert on this topic (although I do have my own opinion based on what I know).  Anyway, I don't want to bring up a "sore point" with any of our colleagues here on this board, yet, anyone has the legit right to ask about such a situation, and especially for some of our younger colleagues here on the HCAC board who weren't around in those years when this debate/issue was going on.  Hope that helps albeit slightly.  ;) 

Anyway, in regards to the travel question; I think most of us "formers" would agree with you about the long road trips.  As a player, it was just part of the game and program and you did what you had to do i.e. played the game.  Didn't really affect most of us I believe; at least not for me personally.  Thanks for your input. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 28, 2007, 02:05:30 am
Sayer:

In one of your posts you asked for some spread playbooks.  I have a bunch that I can give you.  I can email you West Virginia 2005 since I have that on my computer.  It's a large file but it's really good.  What's a good email address to receive a large file?

I also have OSU 2002 if you want to get all O-HI-O with your team.

If your feeling confident in yourself, I'll give you the Patriots playbook from last year.  It is rediculous.  A play that we would have called "Right 51" they call "O out slot R 535 max base H left"

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 28, 2007, 10:03:12 am
I don't know how large my hotmail limit is or my school's limit is, but I'll give you both. adam_sayer@hotmail.com and sayer_a@betheltate.org. I'll take any and everything. I need reading material and what better to read than an Ohio State, West Virginia, or New England's playbooks.

I think sticking with Right 51 was better than O out slot R 535 max base H left . That is why QB's have speakers in their helmets because some smart guy said "remembering all that while running 20 yards to the huddle is a pain in the a$$"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 28, 2007, 10:12:48 am
I have all the parents in Bethel mad at me because I reamed our best kid for losing his finals match. His mom was damn near crying because I stood her son against the wall and screamed "you're better than that." Another parent was in my face telling me I shouldn't be yelling at the kids like that and I need to calm down. I replied that the kids need to win the matches they are supposed to win and not doing so is unacceptable. This was the same parent whose son won, and when I came up and said he did well, the parent replied "the kid was just weaker" and when his son walked by said "that wasn't nothing, go sit in the stands."

The worst part was I took him back next to the bleachers away from everyone so I wouldn't embarrass him yelling at him in front of everyone, but still happend to be in the way of the projection of the team scores on a 20ft x 20ft screen. So a 10ft shadow of Coach Sayer laying into this kid was showing up on the screen for everyone to see.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 28, 2007, 10:43:28 am
In the middle of games Paul Brown effectively used to say quietly but icily to future hall-of-famers, "you're killing us".
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 28, 2007, 12:42:50 pm
When you're at that level, "you're killing us" is all the motivation needed to do well.

In my opinion, HS kids, especially the ones who lay around with their girlfriends before matches, need a fire lit under their butts. The only way I know how is to be intense and use the "in your face" approach. I do make it a point to try to build them up after I tear the down, but kids need that. They need attitude and someone to get in their a$$ and chew it because in the real world, there is no sympathy for the "good guy" who tries hard, but still isn't good at his job. He's fired without a second thought. You don't make excuses, you just find a way to get the job done by any means necessary. This approach worked for me. I was more successful when a coach was yelling "I aint taking this sh!t from some 18 year old punk" because it pushed me to do better.

I've said some crazy dumb stuff in my years, but it wasn't for lack of caring or lack of a will to win. I don't think any of my teamates will ever accuse me of not caring and I think they know that I worked to be the best and that was something I learned in HS because I wasn't cut any slack. I was getting my butt chewed for losing to state placers when I was a freshmen or missing a block when I started varsity my sophomore year. As a result, I've become a better person and was a decent college football player. The goal is to accomplish the same results with these kids using the same methods of coaching.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 28, 2007, 01:23:05 pm
Sayer I know the kind of athlete you were emotionally so bet some things didn't change much in your coaching being the very blunt out spoken person that you are.

I have had similiar experiences in my first year of coaching Taylor.  Basically, they fit the same mold as your guys, which is pampered.  Not with luxuries, but in terms of responsibility and toughness.  I see it alot in the upper classman in my school, and when i challenge them, regrarding in our off season workout just to be a leader, they simply crumble.  So since there not used to be pushed to strive and perform at a higher level they feel unconfortable.  They don't want to do the extra work.  They are used to settling for average, average effort.  So when I jump or there ass for having that kind of attitude or ride their ass for more.  They go home and complain to their parents "that coach Macke is a Big A$$ and hates me because he pushes me to hard and makes me do all these little things that are difficult."  Then we got to here from parents who have that same mentallity/ attitude as their son.

Sayer I had one parent who I ran into at my brothers wrestling meets who was still bent out of shape of last years play calling, and then preceeded to question "what are we going to do about" along with are off season workout and "What are the purpuses of doing little things like Dot Drills and jumping up and down on boxes"  I don't mind answering questions, but telling what we should or shouldn't do.  Well you can only imagine how i felt. 

The great thing is that it isn't all the kids.  Just a few of the older kids who aren't used to having a young coach with no outside life and who is so dedicated.  The younger guys seem like they are slowly getting the point and the ethusiaism is starting to rub off.

Sayer you just keeping coaching the Sayer way and don't change who you are.  At time I just had to find different methods of delivering my message.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 28, 2007, 02:09:34 pm
maybe the parents should write you a letter of thank yous because you fired the kid up and kept him off the couch of losers. maybe if his own parents would quit breast feeding him, he would be more equipped to go out and wrestle some matches at a higher intensity level. maybe if the kid could stop feeling sorry for himself and rise up to the occasion and learn how to compete you wouldn't have to scream at him. you may be the last line of defense for this kid before he goes down a dark and lonely path of excuses and babying parents for the rest of life. sayer, i commend you.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 28, 2007, 08:48:14 pm
Sayer:

I sent West Virginia (7mb) to bethel tate.  I sent BYU (Norm Chow passing) and Urban Meyer Utah 2004 to hotmail.

Let me know if you get them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 28, 2007, 09:38:12 pm
sayer or fcc you may have to forward those to my email. i love reading that stuff and seeing how it all operates.

victorybell_57@yahoo.com
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on January 28, 2007, 09:53:04 pm
Have the last three Norm Chow playbooks, but they have been integrated into a favored run game.  As such, have been sworn to secrecy.

However, would like to hear and share some thoughts as to how and why it works the way it does in general.

Some real innovation there with regards to the creation of passing windows via position designation, motion and obvious complementary run game as an addendum to slide protections.

The Detroit Lions were ahead of the curve decades ago (think: Scott Mitchell) with the nasty tight end split and offset fullback.  Think the University of Nevada pistol has some keen insights as well, but have as yet received only cutups with which to make a facsimile handwritten playbook.

Think its all very contrary to Spurriers famous dig system, though remember a bowl game against Butch Davis a few years back where the ole ball coach traded blows using the tight end from nasty, only to come up short as Butch was able to get other production from Shockey.  Would be willing to bet the Scotgun out of the MIAA uses the Norm Chow system but expect its from scratch and not a mix.

signed,
the AndOne mixed tape tour
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 29, 2007, 09:28:52 am
http://www.thomasmore.edu/athletics/football/assistants.cfm
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 29, 2007, 09:29:37 am
Looks like UB needs a new d-line coach
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 29, 2007, 09:56:42 am
Eric Schnieder would be a great addition to the Mount as a D-line coach.

JPC, I got them. My hotmail limit is 1000 MB (whatever that means. I'm not computer lingo literate). Thanks a bunch. I've already printed out some stuff from WVA's to use for wrestling (expectations, psychological profile of a champion, etc.) just to show them how the world works at the next level. Most of my guys are football first, wrestling second and have considerations of playing college football, but don't want to beleive me (nor do their parents) what's expected, how they are spoken to, and the difference of coaching strageties even at a DIII school.

I admit, I cuss more than I should (and I was throwing out the F-bombs between the "you're better than thats"), but I make it a point to try to treat my guys like guys. Not kids. I try to treat them they they will if they go to college and play a sport because honestly, I think many good athletes come to college and can't take a coach screaming in their face when they screw up. Mental toughness is hard to find in today's youth.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 29, 2007, 12:09:15 pm
coaching strategies? anybody see rich rodriguez just mf'ing guys coming off the field. they don't really have time to worry about hurt feelings.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on January 29, 2007, 05:52:21 pm

I admit, I cuss more than I should (and I was throwing out the F-bombs between the "you're better than thats"), but I make it a point to try to treat my guys like guys. Not kids. I try to treat them they they will if they go to college and play a sport because honestly, I think many good athletes come to college and can't take a coach screaming in their face when they screw up. Mental toughness is hard to find in today's youth.

Sayer:
I can understand your intent as stated above.  However, with all due respect, IMO, I think it not setting a very good example with use of inappropriate language at any level, let alone the h.s. ranks.  You are supposed to set an example and, of course, these young guys look up to you and they'll think it okay to use such, even if letting a word slip hear or there.  Now I'm sure you (or others) might argue that "it's the way it is in life", however, I would suggest that still as coaches we need to set the example and even the slightest slip is inappropriate.   I would submit that, even without the language issue, your coaching objective and goals can still be met and even more some.  Call me old fashioned, but that just MO. ;)

coaching strategies? anybody see rich rodriguez just mf'ing guys coming off the field. they don't really have time to worry about hurt feelings.

vbell:

I know of someone who was an assistant to Rodriguez (someone who is a longtime DI assistant coach with experience at many big-time programs) and from what I hear (from my source), he did not think very highly of RR for a variety of reasons, one of which somewhat tangential related to what you are talking about.  Just some additional info to "throw into" the discussion. ;D     
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 29, 2007, 06:06:08 pm
Sayer, thats not a bad idea. 

Schiender as Pat MacAtte's understudy as a D-Line coach.

Even Dryer as The Wide out coach.  Didn't see that one coming, is he the GA over there?

In high school i do agree coaches do need to watch there P's and Q's, not just for role model purposes, but there are parents and other members in the community in the stands who probably don't want to be hearing that.

College, little different, different atmosphere and its a business for those coaches.  The gusy that they are talking to are supposed to be more mature and adult like.  Besides no one is forcing these players to go to these schools and play for a guys that has a potty mouth.

But still there need s to be a limit some where, right Sayer  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 30, 2007, 12:40:06 am
i get that most dI coaches don't waste time with high priced DI players not knowing what they are doing or selling out. yes it takes some coaches to get in their face to get that effort out of them, but RR does a great job of recruiting and telling them up-front "look, you're in my world now grandma." if it was my kid, i would say shut up and do your job. you are getting a free education out of it and many other doors opened to you that other places do not have. however, i wouldn't appreciate my kid being embarassed on national tv either. i don't think they will be as good next year with half of their coaching staff leaving anyhow, but we'll see. hard to replace some quality coaches they had.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 30, 2007, 11:36:37 am
I find that the way I coach is directly related to the way I was coached...DUH. Last year, Deer Park's AD asked me if I have ever heard them cuss at us and yell at us like I did to the kids one day (the AD was my D-Coordinator). I remember back to when we came back, down 30-10 against Indian Hill and won in OT 36-30. Every coach, including him was letting the spit fly and was holding nothing back during the halftime talk. I've had coaches yell at me and pull me around by my face mask/singlet depending on the season. The wrestling room was no different. Our coach let us say whatever and when he was angry at your effort, he didn't hold anything back.

Obviously college was similar because we were all adults. Locker room talk was who F'ed who and F-this and F-that,  Bill Venard chewing people's asses my freshmen and sophomore year, and the Hubie pre-game and halftime talks.

I know I cuss a lot, especially when I yell. Hence, I haven't yelled that much this year. I let out the bull****s and asses every now and then, but other than that, I've worked hard to keep the F-words to a minimum.

This weekend at the tournament, something had to be said for the effort the kids gave. There was none and this has been something that has been going on for a few weeks. The kids haven't been performing up to standard. We've tried sitting them down as a team and talking to them, we've talked to them as individuals, we've given them days off when we had a weekend free, and we were getting the same "Ho-Hum" effort. Nothing had changed. So in my opinion, the boys needed some fire. They needed a coach to take them into the shower and get within 2 inches of their face and yell how they are F'ing embarrassing themselves and their effort is horrible. They needed to be told to not come back to practice because they didn't F'ing do anything and their effort sucks. Etc. Etc. Etc.

I'm happy to say that it worked. The effort and attitude was better after that yell session and 4-5 of our kids placed. The effort yesterday at practice was better and the kids were going hard, damn near getting into fist fights. We actually had intensity at a practice.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on January 30, 2007, 10:23:16 pm
Sayer not to worry i am a habitual F'Bomber too, but i can tell you to save that one for "special"occasions and it will get the point across a lot better.  the OC/Oline coach in my 4 years only used it about 2-3 times in 4 years and it sent a major league message when he used it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 31, 2007, 01:51:21 am
i agree with sayer. no matter what the means (well, you know what i mean) you have to always preach intensity and competition in practice. you get a lot farther with the athletes if their intensity level is high, and they learn how to play/wrestle full speed all the time. once it gets conditioned to them that way, they can achieve a whole lot more than otherwise. once they learn that anything less will not be accepted, you have them and they will run through brick walls for you.

i had a coach in high school who was as serious as a heart attack about going full speed all the time and he never swore. but you knew he would never, ever tolerate half hearted effort. it was like you just did the worst thing ever if you didn't go full speed like everybody expected you too. "you can be slower, weaker, less talented, but you can absolutely outwork the guy across from you no matter what else happens and win the battle." there are problems when you don't believe him, or in yourself, but he makes sure that you lose that battle and learn how to believe in him and yourself really quickly. he doesn't lay off until you do.

i know it sounds trite, but this man absolutely motivated guys to accomplish things i have never thought possible. i witnessed a .500 wrestler finish 2nd in the state with a chance to win the title match by wrestling suffocating matches and outconditioning his opponents. and this kid sucked at wrestling to be honest, but he went into a flurry for 6 minutes that nobody could even think about matching. when you see a national freestyle champ dry heaving at the END of wrestling season by being pushed so hard, you know what competition is all about. oh, and he beat that kid.

motivate, tolerate nothing short of your best, and demand excellence. anything less is cheating those kids and you are not a real man if you are scared to get that out of them. they'll respond, because they know you care about them. being good is only a small part, having pride in yourself to be your best in another.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 31, 2007, 08:08:50 am
I don't advocate the use of verbal torture, however, I'm not against using it. Like I said, Saturday was really the first time I yelled at the kids. I've gotten on them in the past, but Saturday was the first time I went "all out" on them. 3-4 years ago would have been different. But my situation 3-4 years ago was different. I was still playing college football and even at the DIII level, the intensity level is high. I've learned to control my anger and have began to find other ways to motivate kids. 70_DC is correct in the fact when you keep yelling, it loses it's luster. After a while kids just think "well here we go again, coach is gonna yell" and they don't think anything of it.

I had a meeting Monday with the principal and she was cool about everything but expressed the fact that "I can't coach like I was coached or the way she was coached" and all that jazz. I expressed that I didn't want to be the head coach next year. Being the head man, if the kids don't give a good effort, it comes back on me. I can't handle that. I can't handle being associated with underachievement. It drives me nuts and until I get older and more calm, I'd be better fit to be an assistant coach.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 31, 2007, 08:49:00 am
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070131/SPT030101/701310366/1062/SPT
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 31, 2007, 10:52:26 am
Thats not a bad hire for MSJ. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on January 31, 2007, 12:05:00 pm
ehhhhh, you can yell at kids all you want. i would cut back on the swearing due to fruity parents nowadays. don't want to get reprimanded because some soft skinned gq dad didn't like that you swore.

who knows that coach that was at anderson? is he really good?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on January 31, 2007, 01:25:20 pm
rumor has it...he's the best PE teacher in Cincinnati east of I-71 and west of I-275.

the guy has won some games at Anderson....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on January 31, 2007, 02:53:35 pm
We'll have to see what happens. I thought all along the coaching search would come down to a Cincinnati guy for recruiting purposes. You don't want an outside individual comming in, not knowing the area and giving all the Cincy talent to that school across the river. Finding a guy from a large school was gonna be big. Coaching at Anderson, you get connections to other large schools on the eastside (Eastside and MSJ in the same sentence....WOW). I think now they have a knowledgable guy who can recruit Moeller, Anderson, Turpin, McNick, Milford, Loveland, Amelia, etc. more effectively than in years past because those area coaches know of this guy. I know Rod lives out there, and don't get me wrong, Rod and Ron Woyan are highly respected individuals in Cincinnati HS football, but it's different with Suriano coaching against them year in and year out compared to the local Cincy college coach comming in to talk to the kids.

I know what kind of offense they ran at Anderson too. It rhymes with shed. MSJ may be sporting a new look next season, similar to the 2001 season with less confusion. I would like to know what happend to Sparhawk. Was he demoted, did he go somewhere else? I think Joey was starting to get the hang of things and in the next couple years was going to be a solid OC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on January 31, 2007, 03:13:43 pm
It's not my fault you were confused :-*.  Maybe the geniuses in the backfield dragged you down.  Hard to run anything when the RB's decide they are going to"spread" the ball the the OT via the forward pass when the sweep was losing 10 yards because the slot was running a route instead of blocking primary force!

WOW
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 31, 2007, 03:15:25 pm
YANKEE ELWAY!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on January 31, 2007, 03:16:35 pm
Sayer, I agree with you on Joe.  And they still need a d-cordinator!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 31, 2007, 05:15:03 pm
I think the anderson guy was brought in for more recruiting purposes like Sayer said.  I also heard that him and Hubbie go all the way back to Cape.  Hence the best PE teacher on the sest side of Cincinnati right behind Peters.  I also think that it was kind a spur of the moment kind of thing as well. 

Good point Tepee.  How can you bring recruits in on the defense side of the ball when all that you have is a linebacker coach who doesn't workfull time.

But then then again you know Hubbie, he always seems to come up with some interesting coaches.   Whats that?  Is Dick Cells coming out of the wood works!   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on January 31, 2007, 05:19:03 pm
oh, what about Joe?  I mean i know he holds other positions up there so it would be kind of hard for him to walk away from that.  By the way what did he get his undergrade in?  was it education b/c in that case there is that possibilty of highschool.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 01, 2007, 08:19:25 am
FCC,

Thats some funny chit.  I'm still laughing from that very story on Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 01, 2007, 08:24:01 am
I wasn't confused, but how about Todd Riedel telling Bill Venard, "You coach, I'll play." He was lost. Didn't he actually draw the diagrams of our plays on his wrist band so he knew how to line up? The toy Soldier and the Riddler. Todd actually lives about a 5 minute walk from me. I still think we beat Hanover that year if that screen pass wasn't called back.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 01, 2007, 01:51:39 pm
screen called back? did those zebras say somebody was holding or down field?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on February 01, 2007, 02:42:00 pm
holding on the WR that was away from the play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 01, 2007, 11:39:14 pm
that sucks, and that a ref actually called that unless it was obvious sucks as well. my condolences.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 02, 2007, 05:49:40 pm
To the D, to the E to the L-I-C-I-O-U-S. Just like Hooter's all you can eat wings on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on February 02, 2007, 06:57:43 pm
i heard from the rumor mill that rashon has packed it up and is back in texas.  does anyone know the reason as to why this has happened?  now what does this do ofr the mount? i know they had third and fourth stringers but now have jumped up to number one for a new offense and no experince.

with so many changes to a program in one season with coaching and players it will be interesting to see how the MSJ program handles all of this on the field.  it wil be like watching a completely different MSJ team
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 03, 2007, 08:27:37 am
Sayer scared him away....seriously.  Actually he posted a message on that idiot's facebook page...and they both ran off to TX. 

Seriously though....this is a step in the right direction for MSJ...addition by subtraction.  How would the guy have handled the spread offense?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on February 03, 2007, 11:00:12 am
i honestly feel that IF rashon could buy into the team concept and that no on eis greater than the whole and if he got a bit smarter he could have had success with the spread.  look at leak he finally bought into the system at florida and good things happened.  with lovell returning he had a great back to hand the ball off too and there aren't too many deep routes to get you into trouble with the spread it is a lot of quick throws to speedy recievers and the mount does have some speedy recievers.  but as i said you would have to buy into the system and i don't htink rashon could have done that.

but how does everyone feel about the mounts chances with all the new additions to the mount a new OC, new DC, new QB, new system and schemes.  i think there will be a learning curve with all the players and the offense will struggle early in the year as they did in the 10-0 season with a new system.  but the 10-0 had the same defense for a few years and was able to carry them.  this is the first time i will be worried about a mount defense b/c losing a players coach like hilvert can have an affect on how a  team plays.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 03, 2007, 02:29:24 pm
That was the primary theme for the success of the 2004 team, Defense. Early on in the season and often throughout. We struggled in the first 3 games of the year and then against Hanover we came together as a unit. It helped that Coach Mac finally listened to his players, cough cough O-line cough cough. Once we went to an offense based on the run game, we became very successfull. I believe that had we ran the ball the 1st 3 weeks of that 2004 season, Mike Lovell would have finished the year with 1500+ rushing on top of Ricky Story's 500+.

It also helped the 2004 squad to have a sh!tload of 3-4 year starters on offense. We adjusted quickly and though we were easily the smallest unit in the HCAC on the line, we played together better than anyone. We were able to change and switch up blocking stegtegies/schemes at the LOS or on the fly while the play was going on. Why...well after 3-4 years of playing, you've seen all that a defense can and will throw at you and once you learn to block structure, you can block any front or blitz.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 03, 2007, 02:33:24 pm
This year coming up will be a learning curve but that happens at schools who become successfull. Assistants leave, players transfer, along with all the other unexpectant BS of college football. The sign of a truely great team and head coach is how they respond. They can settle for a 7-3 year while they are getting everyone in place or they can go out and play for a 4th consecutive HCAC championship. Football is football and call a play whatever or line up in whatever formation, you still have to beat the man across from you. Win your personal battle and the the result will take care of itself.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 04, 2007, 10:01:52 pm
The Saints offense was able to move the ball on Da Bears pretty effectively...until they kept turning it over. Once everything settled down after the 1st quarter (no team scored) the Saints did pretty well on offense. But it doesn't matter how many yards you rack up if you don't hold on to the football and that's what ultimately killed the Saints offense; not lack of production. I think the Colt's offense is better fundamentally than the Saints and you're giving Payton Manning 2 weeks to watch film and prepare. Da Bear's defense has also given up quite a few big plays and isn't the same dominating force like they were in weeks 1-8. I don't think the colts have to worry about Da Bears ball control offense because Rex will fold and eventually provide some TO's.

I'm seeing a 27-14 Colts win. I think Payton's problems were in large part due to the team in Boston and that coach and now that he's beaten him/them, the pressure is actually off.

I was pretty close. I'm no Nostradamous, but I'm damn close.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on February 04, 2007, 10:16:44 pm
With the near even split between Rhoades and Addai, each almost cracking the century mark, Kevin Mack and Ernest Byner better beware. 

Good job Colts, but have to admit was pulling for the Bears.

Just too many Indiana boys on that roster, from Maynard to Ogunyele to Grossman and the Purdue second (one twice removed) fiddle backup Qbs to not pull for them.  Just had to be so poetic that Kelvin Hayden an Illinois product would seal the deal.

Mistah Dopeman,
Imyerpusher
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 05, 2007, 03:50:55 pm
i am hoping that that peyton manning's commercial keep coming in some hilarious ways.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 06, 2007, 07:28:00 am
Now instead of 6'5", 230 pound quaterback, laser, rocket arm. It will be 6'5", 230-pound, Super Bowl MVP quarterback, laser, rocket arm. But only if you like that kind of thing.

I think he will have a few more endorsements. But I do question why he was MVP. The 2 RB's for Indy combined for 190+ rushing, over 10 receptions, and a couple of TD's. I think that is more worthy of a MVP. Even if it is Co-MVP.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 06, 2007, 10:52:12 am
i would have made bob sanders the mvp. he is the man responsible for crushing their back-up rb out of the game. he picked off king rex. and smammered whatever came over the middle all day. he is a sick and twisted man and i love watching him hit. he is the man who took chicago out of their gameplan: Sanders.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 06, 2007, 11:18:10 am
There is White Death all around.

It's peanut-butter, jelly time. Peanut-butter, jelly time (if only I had the banana dancing).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 06, 2007, 11:21:07 am
i got your banana right here big guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNmiy_qBf6w
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 06, 2007, 12:17:26 pm
Yeah no kidding Sayer,

I just went to pick up some lunch and everyone here on the eastside of town was running around like the Russians were invading in the 2nd coming of Wolverines...

Two wrecks already on the main road....and its not even wet out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 06, 2007, 03:01:54 pm
i really do like the banana video
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 07, 2007, 12:37:29 pm
Man that snow sucked last night for alot of people.  Luckily a buddy of mine that I work with had his Hummer at work.  We bought some beer for the way home and made it back to Mt. Lookout with ease.....passing alot of motorists doing less than 10 mph or stuck in the ditches..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on February 07, 2007, 01:26:09 pm
SaintsFan:

You live in Mt. Lookout?  That's were I grew up, right on Ellison Ave (street off Linwood by MLT's. 

You're really moving up!

Did you see the new TMC alumni website?   It's a fledgling site but I'm just getting started.  I'm not a webmaster but I can create what our alumni association needs I think.   Wait till the videos appear.  We might even see some of your best work on there.  Got any good video to share?  I'm going to put each year's highlight film on the site at least............if I can find them.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 07, 2007, 01:43:46 pm
FCC,

No chit?  I knew Purcell drew from the area...  The lady and I actually looked at a couple of houses on Nash and Kroger...before settling on one in Mariemont.  So I am leaving Mt. Lookout at the end of the month. 

Yeah, I saw that website....its really good to have that...I didn't know that was your handywork.  Let me see if I still have a couple of the tapes.  I do know that the tape of me that would best suit the team is the one from Alma in 1999, if the defensive line needs help with form tackling and pile driving QBs into the turf...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on February 08, 2007, 12:07:10 am
The site will be much improved when I get a few hours to spend on it.  I wanted to get something in place for everyone to see and maybe spark some ideas.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 08, 2007, 08:08:13 am
Saintsfan, was Alma the game where you recieved your career-ending concussion?

The snow storm was a b!tch to get through. We got out of school early and by 2:00, I-71 looked like regular rush hour traffic. It took a friend of mine 3 hours to get to Blue Ash from Tri-County.

It must have been nice growing up down the street from MLT's. Ain't nothin like a fake ID and a bar within walking distance.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 08, 2007, 10:54:11 am
Yep thats the game.  Noggin' bounced off the chitty turf like a basketball.  Ask formerd3db....he was the Alma team doctor that day.

I got to go to a house that was renovated into a hospital.


Sayer, thats what its like in Mt. Lookout for us now...only minus the fake IDs.  I mean, you heard me in Vegas....thats a weekly occurence in MLTs.   Especially with all the young people I work with....

BTW, my company is hosting CSL HH up at MLTs tomorrow.  6-9...come up if you want.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 08, 2007, 01:16:29 pm
could have been worse, you could have ended your career this way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hoo3Ti3iLd0
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 08, 2007, 02:52:08 pm

I got to go to a house that was renovated into a hospital.



What else would you expect from a school in Michigan :)

Very tempting, and I may try (we were there last weekend), but the junior high has their league meet tomorrow night and I'm taking the varsity kids over to support them. Our JH team should be team champs if everything goes to plan.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on February 08, 2007, 06:13:18 pm
When I was wrestling in junior high the senior high placed something like eight kids in the state tournament. 

The junior high coach was the former senior high coach and the senior high coaches were his prodigies.

Before the state tournament the state qualifiers, and maybe the other varsity wrestlers as well came to one of our practices, really was inspirational. 

Good tactics Sayer.  Those will be your future grapplers.  Think our junior high 125 could beat the senior high 125 though.

in wrasslin,
Louden Swain
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 08, 2007, 10:36:51 pm
nice vision quest reference. just don't get caught sniffin the panties.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on February 09, 2007, 01:26:21 am
MacLeod: If it's wrasslin' rather than wrestling, my favorite is Antonino (Argentine) Rocca. If it's wrestling, then Curley Culp.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 09, 2007, 08:39:13 am
Madonna was soooooo HOT in that movie. It was the first time she performed on film. There is one true reality in that movie. Once the boy got the sniffity sniff, then his mentality and commitment went to chittity chit.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 09, 2007, 10:58:26 am
See I knew that Trim Spa stuff was to good to be true.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 09, 2007, 11:23:49 am
Does anyone have any insight of how the MSJ off season workout is taking shape now that Hilvet is gone?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 09, 2007, 02:00:46 pm
movie day for this sub.  got to post so that i don't fall asleep
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 09, 2007, 02:44:24 pm
I love movie days. Instead I'm teaching kids about Translating, Rotating, and Reflecting images and lines of symmetry. But how's this for a 2 week span:
2/2 - Snow Day
2/6 - Out Early for the White Death
2/7 - Snow Day
2/8 - Lockdown for a drug check
2/13 - Early Release Day
2/16 - Off day to make up for teachers working OT during conferences
2/19 - Off for Presidents day

Word around there is another winter storm comming Monday, so look for a 2-hour delay for 2/12 to add.

Aint nothin like teachin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on February 09, 2007, 04:10:48 pm
And then we want protection from import of goods from lands where the people work around the clock 24/7.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 09, 2007, 05:59:20 pm
What, Snow day Sayer, make them hillbillies drive their trackers to school.  Thats how we do it in Harrison!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on February 09, 2007, 10:29:33 pm
My Allis Chalmers wont start.  Anybody got some shine for the carbumerators. 

signed,
Cletus
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 11, 2007, 01:17:34 am
Hell no. I wake up at 5:15 to get to work on time. I'll take all the 2-hour delays I can get. About 3-4 years ago, 5:15 was my normal bedtime.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 12, 2007, 07:40:37 am
See I knew that Trim Spa stuff was to good to be true.

Macke, you should throw your name into the hat of potential papa's for that kid of hers. SaintsFan already did :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 12, 2007, 08:07:45 am
No kidding....I'm hoping they pull my number.

Looks like I'm NOT moving to Mariemont with the lady afterall....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 12, 2007, 01:05:29 pm
since that baby is the sole inheritance of possible 50% of an Oil tycoon's billions, i was hoping to impregnate her myself...even if it means she is dead during the process.  still better than some things i did in college
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 12, 2007, 02:28:26 pm
That may officially be one of the nastiest things I could ever picture in my mind. I wonder about the future of that kid. The old man left a curse after he died. Her son OD's now she snorts too much Trim Spa and croaks like a frog.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 12, 2007, 03:03:24 pm
70dcalum- I just threw up a little in my mouth after that comment. :D 
On the matter of snow days does midwest schools still get delays for fog?  I think the only way school can get cancelled out her in Los Angeles is for an earthquake. >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on February 12, 2007, 03:45:51 pm
If the skills and numbers listed by Recumstrict are correct, Terna Nande is ready and waiting to make his mark as one of the all time great linebackers.  Considered undersized, but possesses great ability and incredible heart.

Just one of the guys Im following right now. 

But for comparison, especially since undersized and great heart are often at the root of success in D3, who is the best returning linebacker in the HCAC for next year?  Not asking who has the best defense, or best set of tackles to make nice stats for a good linebacker, but who is the best returning linebacker in the HCAC per Nande profile: ability and heart.

signed,
the Samurai
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on February 12, 2007, 03:50:44 pm
Or we could just get Victorys thoughts on womens basketball  ;)

signed,
Sectional Champs Baybee
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 12, 2007, 04:22:44 pm
women's basketball if fun if the following are included:

sports bras with the team logo on it, tighter and much smaller shorts, and tons of spanking when guarding on defense. i also think ponytails must be a must with half time shows by girls in catholic school girl outfits. add that with mud wrestling promotions and you got a winner.

teddy hinkle, franklin. freshman last year and has some brass balls. i look for big things from him in the future.

if you guys need my opinions on anything else, feel free to ask. i have thoughts on nearly everything.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 12, 2007, 04:38:45 pm
has_been,

My cousin told me they cancelled school out there in 1992 for the riots..

You could always hope for some more unrest.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 12, 2007, 06:04:40 pm
Considering the neighborhood that I teach in I wouldn't want to be in the middle of that.  I get enough days off anyways. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 12, 2007, 08:05:22 pm
Shoot, $ is not the only thing her new baby needs to worry about, have they confirmed who the baby's daddy is yet?

Best LB in the HCAC Kyle Broser hands down
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 13, 2007, 01:20:46 pm
i am glad i still got it with the 1 liners.

Has Been remeber everytime you pay your mortgage you pay for weather.  take the good with the bad you winey girly man.  knowing where you teach you have a better chance with a riot than earthquake
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 13, 2007, 09:10:34 pm
screw ICE, I want SMOW.  UP to eyes in snow.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 14, 2007, 03:19:55 pm
seriously, no snow for christmas and then we get hit with all of this stuff.

one of my friends sent me an email of the parade celebration of the steelers and the colts. basically, there were a lot more people at the steelers celebration and they were making fun of the colts fans. personally, i think it was a good turnout, season fan support in the dome, and great that they won the super bowl for a "basketball state."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 15, 2007, 10:51:42 am
How come we never got a parade at MSJ for going 10-0? Maybe for our 10-year anniversary.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 15, 2007, 12:28:37 pm
how can you have a two block parade?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 15, 2007, 04:54:21 pm
haha, that was low but i liked it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 15, 2007, 07:08:04 pm
I was trying to be sarcastic jackass, but you're right. A parade at MSJ would be like watching American Idol only worse and with donkeys that poop everwhere.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 15, 2007, 07:48:52 pm
did you guys even get a rally in the gym or something else sponsored by the school? if not, you should ask for that to be re-visited.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 16, 2007, 08:37:56 am
We got a pat on the back and some got a handshake. But that's what we were told coming in to play. We wouldn't get much except a couple T-Shirts and shorts. I was poor and didn't have much clothing so it was inspiration enough for me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 16, 2007, 11:23:23 am
nothing better than free gear for playing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 19, 2007, 10:51:35 am
Geez, where the hell is everyone?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 19, 2007, 10:53:19 am
Has anyone heared from Angry White Man, I really miss input.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 19, 2007, 11:11:47 am
you almost have to pick a fight to get people on the board now.

i'll start one, the last 3 years msj has been on balco and that's why they have been so tough to beat.

just kidding, hope you guys are enjoying your winter by the fireplaces.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 19, 2007, 04:25:12 pm
Victory- here is a ? for ya.  What were Franklin's key loses this past season?  I would assume that they are looking to be a favorite for the HCAC this next season. 
For the rest of the HCAC here are some of my thoughts for the front runners.  For MSJ and how they fair w/ a new qb will be a bonus for them b/c they need a true qb at that position.
DC loses a lot on the defensive end plus their Dcoordinator plus the battle for qb should make it interesting this fall.
If there are any other teams that can offer assessment it would be appreciated.  Plus Im just trying to get some conversation going.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on February 19, 2007, 04:42:52 pm
I see where Defiance College has announced the hiring of Chris Bowers as its new Defensive Coordinator. Bowers most recently served as the Assistant Defensive Backs Coach at Northwestern University and brings nearly four years of experience in the Big Ten with him to the Purple and Gold.

Here is the link from the HCAC website:

http://www.heartlandconf.org/conference_releases/2007/2_19_dcfootball.htm (http://www.heartlandconf.org/conference_releases/2007/2_19_dcfootball.htm)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on February 19, 2007, 10:04:17 pm
Quick question:  Just curious, if you or anyone knows, however, why would he want to leave Northwestern?  Anyway, probable good move for Defiance.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 20, 2007, 08:47:40 am
They also need Northwestern's QB Coach. 

Just kidding, had to go there.....I think its the year of the Grizz...with their returning QB.  Maybe Hanover at #2?  Just reaching here.  I think MSJ lost alot, but as it was mentioned having their QB making the move to the CA Penal League is not a bad thing for the team.

I think you'll see relatively down years for Defiance and MSJ until the next group of kids step up late in the year.  (But not in week 11 for MSJ). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 20, 2007, 09:45:58 am
MSJ is losing a ton and I think it is only realistic that they do fall off a little. Knowing how Rod is and from what I've heard about this guy from Anderson, they should rebound nicely, but it will take a year or two I think.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on February 20, 2007, 02:12:56 pm
DC did lose some of their studs on the defensive side of the ball so Bowers has a tough road to travel to get them ready for the season.  Hopefully the Big Ten experience will help & it will bring in a lot of recruits too. 
On Hanover being in the running for conf. champs, I guess you can never count them out. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 21, 2007, 12:25:30 am
i know some people are ready to annoint franklin the leader of the hcac next year, but they did lose some good leadership and some good players. not going to give a prediction on them for next year, because you all know i think they should win all 10 games, but they will have a good test each week.

too early to tell, and too early to see who steps up. sorry for being vague, but that's all i have right now. fall camp should be good to see who steps up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 21, 2007, 11:32:35 am
For those who may be interested in wrestling in an open tournament.

6th ANNUAL LOUIS BLOOM MEMORIAL WRESTLING TOURNAMENT
SPONSORED BY THE UNION TOWNSHIP KIWANIS

Date: Saturday, March 24, 2007 High School & Jr. High & Open

Location: Amelia High School (I-275 to Rt. 125 East to Amelia-Olive Branch Road, turn left – Go to Clough Pike – turn left – go ˝ mile
to school)

Sponsored By: Union Township Kiwanis

Cost: Pre-registration: $15.00, if received by March 16, 2007 $18.00 at the door

Admission: $2.00 adults – children under 12 free

Time: Saturday March 24, 2007 – Registration & Weigh-ins: 7:30 – 9:00 a.m.
*** Notice: SCALES CLOSE PROMPTLY AT 9:00 a.m. ****
Wrestling begins at 10:00 a.m.

Eligibility: Open to all Jr. & Sr. High School and Open wrestlers.
*** Wrestlers must be able to show proof age. ***

Weight Classes: Sr. High: (9th, 10th, 11th, 12th grades) 103, 112, 119, 125, 130, 135, 140, 145, 152, 160, 171, 189, 215, 275 max.
Jr. High: (7th & 8th grades) 80, 86, 92, 98, 104, 110, 116, 122, 128, 134, 142, 150, 160, 172, 230 max.
Open: 125, 133, 141, 149, 157, 165, 174, 184, 197, 220, 285

Awards: Medals for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, & 4th places. T-shirts for champion of each weight class in Jr. High & Sr. High divisions.
*** Awards will be given only in weight classes wrestled. ***

Rules: Double elimination. NO OVERTIME. Ties decided by first point(s) scored. Minimum of 4 wrestlers per weight class.
Rules and weight classes subject to change based on the number of participants.

Match Times: High School 2-1-1 Jr. High 2-1-1 Open 2-1-1 All consolation matches 1-1-1

--------------------------------------------

6th ANNUAL LOUIS BLOOM MEMORIAL WRESTLING TOURNAMENT
Sponsored By: Union Township Kiwanis

In consideration of your accepting this entry, I, intending to be legally bound hereby for myself, my heirs executors and administrators, waive and release any and all claims for all damages I may have against Union Twp. Kiwanis, West Clermont Local School District, their agents and representatives and assignees for any and all injuries suffered by me at said Wrestling Tournament. I further state that I shall not hold and of the above mentioned parties liable for any injuries which may occur while transferred to and from the tournament.

Name _______________________________________ ___ Address _______________________________________ ___

City ____________________ State _____________ Zip Code ___________ Phone ( )______- _______________

School _______________________________________ ___________ __ Grade Level ___________________

Circle Age Division: Jr. High Sr. High Open

Approximate Weight: ______________________________ Age _________________

Parent Signature (required for minors)_______________________________________ ____ _____________________

Mail pre-registration form along with check.
Make Checks Payable to: UNION TOWNSHIP KIWANIS WRESTLING TOURNAMENT
3847 ST. RT. 132 BATAVIA, OHIO 45103
For additional information call: Linda Bloom 513-732-1998 or Lyle Bloom 513-797-8945
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 23, 2007, 01:30:58 pm
Sayer i would join your Tourney but would get my ass kicked by a 6th grader.  i have learned i cant grapple or fight drunk (i laugh too much).  got a rock chin but get balled up into a pretzle as soon as i get off my feet.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 25, 2007, 02:01:35 pm
I'm proud to announce that in my first season as a head wrestling coach, I have my first state qualifier. My 171 placed 4th at the district tournament and has to wrestle a kid who BEAT the predicted state champ 8-0 in his first match. Rough...but his conso bracket looks favorable and we can sneak away with a 8th place finish (if we're lucky).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 25, 2007, 11:24:39 pm
Congradulations Sayer, and the best of luck to you and your wrestler
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on February 26, 2007, 10:33:40 pm
i officially cant stand lawyers.  have been on a conferrence call since 4:00 PM it is now 10:30 negotiating T&C's for a new deal.  schedled for 9 hours again tomorrow.  granted it is an 11M deal but this is the 8th time through this contract.  it is funny as hell listening to my chief counsel man-up with their lawyer.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 27, 2007, 08:04:14 am
How much of that 11M is yours?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StinkTink on February 27, 2007, 07:09:23 pm
1M
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 27, 2007, 09:35:12 pm
Sayer: we got into the wrong profession.

I know what P Coop was talking about all the time (tripod!)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 28, 2007, 08:05:39 am
I'm sure 70_DC_Alum is allowed to have a Myspace Account too. I had the Superintendant personally come talk to me about the picture and content on my Myspace page (I was giving the Shocker in my pic). Since when were teachers not allowed to have a personal life outside of the classroom? Here's an idea...the pics and content on Myspace are not appropriate for students because maybe they were never meant to be seen by students.

Moral of the story Macke...be careful. Education people are NUTZ!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 28, 2007, 08:07:34 am
I thought it was great because I also had pics and messages that my friends have sent me that contain very adult, soft-core porn, content. Especially the picture of the birthday cake that looked like a set of tits.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on February 28, 2007, 03:15:24 pm
you can set your profile to private so only your friends can see your page and pics. if it's private, they'll only see your main pic and name. just a hint.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 28, 2007, 06:48:40 pm
I agree 100% As long as you don't have anything concerning matters about a student, or something thats illegal whats the big deal.  Espicially something like over a my space picture of the shocker.  Why is the Super on their, and does he know what i means. 

Sayer: I think it's just those Crazy East siders for you.

But besides that question Sayer.  Why is it that you always find yourself in some kind of predicament all the time   ;).  You Pervert   :-*
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on February 28, 2007, 06:50:02 pm
Man, I want my start status back I fell like some karma peanut butter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on February 28, 2007, 09:49:03 pm
When I set up the account I didn' think the kids I taught would ever come try to be my friends or look at my profile. I didn't think twice when I set it up as a public profile. Basically, I put pics and my friends and wrote to each other like children wouldn't see it because it never crossed my mind that they would. If I would have ever thought the kids I taught would see my stuff, I would have changed some things. It was funny to hear the middle school princiapl explain the shocker to me. But not funny when he said I was unable to teach at the middle school for the rest of the year. I have to go back teaching ISS.

I just don't know what the big deal is. I realize my pic wasn't appropriate, but it was never meant to be seen by students. If I would have been searching for the kids I taught, then yeah, I'd seee a problem, but I didn't search out anyone or talk to anyone I taught via Myspace. I just hope all this BS blows over.

And Macke, you have a point about me fiding trouble. I think in the future, I'm just going to live in my classroom and be anti-social. I can't offend anyone doing that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 01, 2007, 10:08:17 am
wait, so you were teaching and you were demoted because of the shocker picture??? are you allowed to go back to the classroom next year? did you tell him you would take the pictures off because you didn't know what it meant and didn't want to offend anybody? put that thing to private man.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 01, 2007, 02:14:48 pm
Sayer I'm telling you, you need to get away from the wacky east side and go Kentucky or at least Lakota.  The only you offend anyone there is by actually having sex with a student
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 02, 2007, 07:42:34 am
ahh, I love my job.  Subing for the old class that I taught during my student teaching.  No one is going to pull a fast one over on this guy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JK on March 02, 2007, 08:21:54 am
Six Killed in Bluffton baseball bus crash... this is just awful.   Our thoughts and prayers to all in the Bluffton Family:

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6522208
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 02, 2007, 10:32:43 am
What an absolute horrible thing to happen.  How does a crash like that happen?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 02, 2007, 12:08:46 pm
It appears the driver didn't know where he was...

Its a tragedy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 02, 2007, 01:51:14 pm
Oh God, this so profoundly upsetting. 

My prayers are with the Bluffton college community today for the safety and recovery of those still alive, and the families and friends of those who were killed who are going through a lot of shock and anguish right now....

Life is so fragile...

There is a ton of information including pictures and first hand accounts on the Atlanta newspaper site for those wanting to keep in touch with how the other players are doing:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/03/02/0302buscrash.html
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCC_alum62 on March 02, 2007, 02:35:13 pm
The thoughts and prayers of us all go out to the college community, families, friends, and loved ones of the young men killed in this terrible event.  It reminds us all how fragile and precious life is.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CardinalAlum on March 02, 2007, 02:56:10 pm
To all of you HCAC followers and especially the people of Bluffton, please know that many people are thinking of you and praying for all of you at this tragic time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on March 02, 2007, 03:09:51 pm
This is such a horrible thing to read first thing in the morning.  It does remind me that anything can happen at any given time.  It just sucks that things like this have to remind me to not take life for granted.  I wish all the best to the Bluffton family & the to the families who have lost someone in this tragic event.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on March 02, 2007, 03:38:01 pm
Thoughts and prayers go out to everyone at Bluffton on the tragic news.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 79jaybird on March 02, 2007, 04:41:38 pm
Tragic day for Bluffton, their families, and players.  My heart goes out to those that are lost and those that are recovering. 
Accidents do happen and as April put it, life is so fragile.  I just hate hearing about tragedies like this. My blessings to all.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rscl70 on March 02, 2007, 05:14:08 pm
My prayers and condolences for the victims of this tragic accident, their families and friends, and the entire Bluffton community.

May the Peace of God which passes understanding, be amongst you and remain with you always.  Amen
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Post by: INQBScout on March 02, 2007, 06:05:41 pm
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Thoughts and prayers go out to everyone at Bluffton on the tragic news.

dittos...

very tough news...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on March 03, 2007, 04:47:56 pm
Posted by: M and L  Posted on: Yesterday at 10:32:43 am  
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What an absolute horrible thing to happen.  How does a crash like that happen?

On southbound I-75, coming into the Brookwood/I-85 exits, it can happen quite easily as the HOV lane and exit lanes both split from the other six lanes, around a maze of overpasses and abutments.  While it is marked, it is confusing for anyone who doesn't routinely travel this route.  After seven years in ATL, I still do "doubletakes" and it's a short exit for a car, much less a chartered bus.

Just returned from the Marriott Marquis, downtown, visiting with a high school teammate who's son is one of the deceased.  It's a horrific loss and a tragic situation for all.  Candles are lit and prayers offered for the Bluffton community.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 04, 2007, 11:07:23 am
They did an announcement at the State Wrestling Tournament about it. At first I thought it was Bluffton High School (they had 3-4 wrestlers at the meet). Many people who were in attendance didn't even know Bluffton was a school in Ohio. Shocking because there is a Bluffton HS. The news channel in Columbus showed a computer simulation of what happend and as Cave2Bens stated, it is something that could happen easily if you didn't know where you were. The actual footage showed the overpass that the bus fell from was about 40 feet. I'm sure everyone who drove home last night from CBus had that on their mind. Especially with the on/off snow.

And to answer your questions, I offered to just delete my account. I played dumb and denied I had knowledge of anything. I just don't get why they can't just say, your profile has been seen by students, it's inappropriate, you need to get rid of it. I delete it and we move on. I don't understand why they need to make a big deal out of it. I have a meeting Monday with the HS Principal in which I think I will most likely be terminated from Bethel and then I have a meeting with the Super that I scheduled just so I could clear myself of any wrong doing because I'll need a reference from Bethel to get a job...All because of a picture of me giving a hand gesture that 85% of adults have no clue what it is.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on March 04, 2007, 11:52:25 am
"He died doing something he loved with people he enjoyed."
                                                                      - John Betts (Bryan HS 1970 and                                                                                    Bluffton College, 1974)
                                                                    



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 04, 2007, 10:23:03 pm
i don't think any parent should have to go through what the parents at bluffon are experiencing. simply a tragic loss and it goes without saying, all of our thoughts and prayers are with them. keep jesus in your heart though a time like this.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 05, 2007, 11:07:07 am
Macke, check your personal messages.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 08, 2007, 10:43:08 am
Sorry Sayer it has been a while since I have been on here
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 08, 2007, 10:46:17 am
Is there any uplifting news that we can talk about. 

Jamel Lewis signed with the Browns today.

Looks like the division is getting tougher.  What a good move for the Browns to take Lewis after signing Eric Stienbaug
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 08, 2007, 01:09:01 pm
My friends and I were talking about this last night saying Cleveland needed a run game. Here's what I think may happen. You may see Cleveland take Calvin Johnson in the #3 spot and take Troy Smith in the 2nd round. With Steinbach, their O-line is about a C+ and add Jamal Lewis, Calvin Johnson, and Kellen Winslow. You have an offense.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 08, 2007, 01:54:43 pm
I agree Sayer,
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 08, 2007, 03:23:39 pm
Not without a QB.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 09, 2007, 09:31:18 am
that is something I assume that they will address during the draft!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 09, 2007, 11:40:53 am
Troy Smith in the 2nd round
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 09, 2007, 01:00:20 pm
Can't count on Smith. Heisman trophy winning QBs are much more bust than boom in the NFL. For starters see White, Crouch, Weinke, Wuerffel, Torretta, Detmer, Ware, Sullivan, Beban, Spurrier, Huarte, Baker. Try to name the successful ones.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 09, 2007, 03:25:01 pm
Paul Hornung (as a RB), Jim Plunkett, Carson Palmer, Doug Flutie, Vinny Testaverde and Charlie Ward (for picking the NBA).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 09, 2007, 03:47:21 pm
Hornung and Ward don't count (actually Hornung was unsuccessful in his brief stint as an NFL QB). All the rest are marginal except possibly for Plunkett and Palmer. The successful list gets very short relative to the unsuccessful. And we haven't yet mentioned O'Brien (only 2 seasons in the NFL) and Bertelli (no seasons in the NFL but 3 lacklustre seasons in the AAFC).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2007, 05:35:34 pm
Frank,

Don't forget Peyton Manning - according to all Tennessee fans, he REALLY won the Heisman, and Charles Woodson was a usurper! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 09, 2007, 05:50:27 pm
And Otto Graham and Johnny Unitas and Tom Brady should have won the Heisman, but they didn't.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 10, 2007, 11:20:55 pm
tom brady winning the heisman? he was an average michigan qb! seriously average, of course he didn't have a mean running game or the usual oline michigan gets. i love him, but no heisman.

the browns should get brady quinn. who cares about troy smith, he is short and was good at ohio st. doesn't mean he'll progress like the nfl qbs. i like brady quinn because he has balls and never missed a start. you know, i think the browns could use some of that blue collar thing they preach about and haven't had in some years. go quinn.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 11, 2007, 04:29:52 am
I was attempting (apparently unsuccessfully) to more or less subtlely make the point that the Heisman is a very poor predictor of QB success in the NFL - not that Graham or Unitas or Brady had a terrific football year in college but to the contrary that these 3 men, each of whom became a much better NFL QB than any Heisman winner has become (admittedly the jury is still out on Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart), were not very close to winning the Heisman (in actuality Unitas and Brady were extremely far, and Graham ran a distant third to Notre Dame QB Angelo Bertelli in 1943).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 12, 2007, 10:16:30 am
i heard ya loud and clear large man frank. let's face it, the nfl offenses may be less complex but more wordy or more complex and more wordy than the college ones, and the game moves faster. add that up with a 6'6 285 DE running a 4.6 coming after your butt, you better know where the dump off receiver is. in most cases, tom brady knows and akili smith didn't (and cough, cough, ryan leaf).

however, in my opinion, i think some qb's don't have a shot at making it in the nfl because the offenses some teams run are brutal. hard to average 1.9 a rush on first and second down, and throw third and 9 each series. on top of that, there are some awfully vanilla offenses in the nfl ever since free agency. i think about every defensive player in the league knows your top 8 passes. just another reason why i like the college game more and more. i used to love the sugar huddle, the west coast 9r's, three amigos, etc... now, it's all the same.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 12, 2007, 10:56:59 am
To sum it up - Cleveland's chance of finding and ultimately selecting a specific QB, who is available in the 2nd round of the draft and who is of sufficient NFL quality to actually lead them "out of the woods", is not good. The fact that the QB is a Heisman trophy winner improves that chance to no or extremely little extent.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 12, 2007, 02:00:32 pm
i dont know if i would say the jury is still out on Palmer.  2 straight pro bowls, Peyton Manning he is not yet but i dont think he is still bust material either.

smith is going to be a bit of a project in the NFL.  i dont think he has Vince Young's mobility so i dont think he will be nearly as allusive since he will no longer be juking fat d-takles from indiana anymore.  Size can be overcome but imagine all 5'10" of smith playing at Dallas with someone like Leonard Davis at 6'8"370 at gaurd.  hell even Steinbach is 6'7".

if the browns were smart they would trade down a few spots to let someone pickup peterson if they dont want him take a few extra picks and still get Johnson or Brady quinn later in the first round.  likely they will pick up peterson and let him spend a year under Lewis and then be the long term future.  too much upside there to pass on with the shear physicality of the AFC North.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 12, 2007, 03:39:59 pm
good comments, but i think the jury is closed on carson palmer. from all the talk around the league, he is the team leader and one the players respect a lot. in terms of football, many receivers (and those in the pro bowl) say he throws a great ball and knows the passing game very well. while he sucked for a few years at usc, i think he is proving he is going to be a great qb. now, if they can keep their troublemakers out of jail and get a few more pieces of the puzzle, they could be in the super bowl this year. they should have been two years ago before palmer hurt his knee.

i'm not holding much stock in troy smith. he could however, be steamin willie beamin in a few years. maybe he'll get the ladies creamin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 12, 2007, 04:14:15 pm
In fairness to Troy Smith, he also totally destroyed my beloved Wolverines the last two years, and Alan Branch, LaMarr Woodley, et. al., will hardly be mistaken for "fat d-tackles from Indiana"!

God, it is painful to stick up for a Buckeye! :( :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 12, 2007, 06:21:53 pm
Palmer's NFL career is probably about 1/3 complete, and he has not yet lead the Bengals any place of major importance as had Graham and Unitas and Brady after 4 years.
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Post by: Adam Sayer on March 12, 2007, 09:50:01 pm
That is why football is the ultimate team game. Dan Fouts never made it anywhere big...but he was a heck of a QB. Dan Marino got to the Super Bowl once...in his 2nd year.

I think Troy Smith is definately a work in progress. But here's what he has going for him.
- Athletic - He's no Vince Young, but he's plenty capable to move around in the pocket and creat throwing lanes. Drew Brees is of similar height and less mobility, and he's done alright in The League.
- Willing to listen/learn - Juding by his attempts to become a more 'throwing' QB rather than a running QB shows me he's trying to get the best out of himself. He many opportunities to make highlight reel runs, but gave it up to make the pass (Penn State???) Something I think Tressel had been asking for.
- 2nd Round Pick - He may have won the Heisman, but there's not a lot of pressure. He won't be asked to step right in and run an NFL offense. He's not being listed with the names of Jamarcus Russell or Brady Quinn. The pressure to produce is on them. He'll have time to sit and learn (ala Carson Palmer). If he was a Top 5 pick, there would be more pressure to play him and ruin him (ala David Klingler).
 - Athletic - I already covered this, but if QB doesn't work out, he's athletic enough to play a role similar to that of Antwaan Randle-El. Remember, OSU recruited him as an athlete. They didn't know where he would play.

My personal thoughts on Brady Quinn is he may have maximized his talents. I don't see him getting much better than he already is because he's had 2 years playing in a pro-style offense of a Superbowl Winning OC and wasn't great. Charlie Weiss has spent 2 years preparing him for the NFl and he struggled against USC, Michigan, and LSU. Great college teams, but not what he's going to see on Sunday. Personally, I think he will be the next Ryan Leaf.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 13, 2007, 12:01:49 am
Adam,

Yeah, I forgot to mention that the same Wolverines who were destroyed by Smith made Quinn look less than average.

I have no clue as to which will prove the better NFL QB (if either), but if it were based solely on common opponent Michigan, it would be no contest!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 13, 2007, 08:46:25 am
I think you guys are being a bit too hard on Quinn....yes he didn't play well against the better teams on the schedule....thats also because he and the WR's had to pick up the slack for the defense that wasn't able to stop even the Navy's of the world.  Thats a fact....I think what NFL teams love the most about Quinn is the intellectual aspects of his game...he knows the game inside and out.  Kind of like Peyton Manning did at Tennessee.  Manning was another guy that couldn't win the big game in college.....but he's learned how to win the big games at the Pro level.

The one thing I'd really be concerned about Smith is his hunger.  I watched the QBs at the combine and Smith was admittedly out of shape?  What?  Are you kidding....how many of us would have shown up out of shape for the biggest job interview of our lives in Indianapolis?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 13, 2007, 10:00:04 am
If one is a new Heisman trophy winner, then one gets a lot of opportunities for rubber chicken, lumpy mashed potatoes and frozen peas.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 13, 2007, 10:13:33 am
it may be unfair to compare guys to unitas and graham. different league then where a few superstars could control the game. they didn't have off-season programs and guys developing like they do now. some guys don't get their careers going until after 4-5 seasons if they can stay in it. now, brady was the man. and his team was great, while he was good he didn't have to win it by himself. his teams were average for michigan's standards in college, and he proved he could be good in the pro's with a good team. joe montana looked average in college against better teams also. i think he beat houston in a bowl game, houston isn't a usc or michigan. quinn's teams at ND are average, and played navy and other bottom rungers. he is a good qb and could be just like brady in the pro's, if he has a supporting cast.

troy smith, hey, let's wait and see. i would like to see him do well, but he needs a team. team game is right on this topic. you can't choose what team to go to like in college. he may get a great chance with a team like the bears, or be picked up to be the savior of a scrub team. brady had an opportunity to go to a good team as well. all i know is, akili smith sucks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on March 13, 2007, 10:37:34 am
Have not been making that comparison. See post #392 for my point.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 13, 2007, 10:55:50 am
In terms of the NFL mold so to speak, I just don't see Smith fitting in.  Hey had great talent to play collegiate ball.  but does he really have what it takes to play at the next level?  I'm not all that the convienced with him nor Brady Quinn.  I think that Quinn has more potienial and with the right mentor and coaching he can produce much like that of Joey Harrington or something to that effect.

Refering back to the BCS game (I know it is just one game, but he played that bad), He didn't look like a pocket passer at all or couldn't get a read right to save his life.  Nor a pass block to offer protection either.

With the given surronding on the field I thought Quinn produced more than Smith, throwing all stats out the window.

We still haven't talked about the QB who is going to the first choosen in the draft---- and that is the Kid from LSU
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 13, 2007, 11:00:58 am
Sayer, Lets be practical here, effort gets it done 99% of time.  But ability combined with effort is going to get you to the NFL as everyone knows.  But how smart is he in terms of X's and O's. 

How well rounded is he?

Besided, i'm seeing a lot of OSU bias here   ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 13, 2007, 02:13:55 pm
i know i have OSU bias.  as Mr Yipsi pointed out Troy Smith did beat up on Michigan.  it has no merit to the rest of my post i just like saying that.

the best thing that can happen to troy is not gettign drafted as a top 5 pick.  if he can go somewhere to learn behind a great QB then he has a chance, but just playing the numbers for as many Drew Bree's that had to play backup to learn the game there are 25 others that never got higher than being the glorified stat keeper for the starting QB.  those odds are not the greatest.

cannon for an Arm and willingness to change his style are assets.  i think his "life" history and currnet attitude will also help, but agian the rise from backup is not a glorified one and there are another bunch of all start QB's entering the league every year and very few good ones retire.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 13, 2007, 02:15:14 pm
Yipsi "Alan Branch, LaMarr Woodley, et. al., " 

they suck...unless the Bengals draft them then i will admit they are more than a fat d tackle from indiana
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 13, 2007, 03:24:20 pm
Just a little biased, but in terms of the NFL (my friends didn't believe me) he can also be used as an Antwaan Randle-EL...if QB doesn't work out.

I think it can. Does he fully understand the game? Maybe not as much as some, but he did have one of the top 5 NCAA coaches to help him. A guy who was also a former QB. I think Troy Smith knows his stuff and as I said, will benefit greatly by being the #2 guy in the NFL for a season or two. If he's asked to start right out of the gate, he'll struggle.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 14, 2007, 10:53:06 am
maybe everybody should wait until that stud qb out of hawaii comes out next year. i don't think he missed on a pass, his receivers just dropped them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 14, 2007, 11:39:48 am
Like SaintsFan at TMC
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 14, 2007, 01:44:13 pm
now we're talkin'
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 14, 2007, 03:13:52 pm
I'll be sure to try to give you insights this weekend to the NCAA Division 1 National Championships taking place at The Palace in Auburn Hills, Mich. I would be talking about Wrasslin. Roughly 20% (1/5) of the National Tournament field is connected to Ohio either by wrestling at a HS in Ohio or wrestling at a college in Ohio. Not too bad for 1 state (That would be like 5 of the top 25 football teams being Ohio colleges). Ohio State has 6 wrestlers competing at Nationals and should finish in the top 10. Next year they should be top 5.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 14, 2007, 03:17:45 pm
http://www.thecoolclinic.com/

For anyone who may be interested.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 15, 2007, 08:45:06 am
having Troy Smith sit behind somebody much like Palmer did would greatly benefit him in his development stage.

Life is good

Question: For a high school team how many hrs in a week (including weights and agility) should the kids put in?

Then during the season how long should practice take/run during say a Tuesday, Wed. practice when it is really time to get after it?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 15, 2007, 08:46:28 am
Sayer:

I got word that Bethel Tate is looking for Some Defensive Assistances.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 16, 2007, 01:07:13 pm
Sayer, Tepee

Heres one for you, instead of looking like Aaron Harang.  All i have been getting today is Lep. jokes  "He mr. macke where is your pot of gold?" ......... little bastards
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 19, 2007, 11:46:47 am
Were you wearing green? Cause if you were, that would be a funny site.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 20, 2007, 07:31:44 am
HasBeen - thinking of making it out to Malibu for the Wedding with the wife and kid, any issues with bringing the X-Man to the wedding or is it going to be adults only?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 20, 2007, 07:55:40 am
Oh my God......can anyone else picture this sonuvavitch in Los Angeles County?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 20, 2007, 03:56:12 pm
Get on 'The Real Orange County' banging a hot mom and then you'll get props. You know, one of those moms who goes to the jewlery store and contemplates whether she has enough money to buy the $40,000 necklace or not.

KY here I come. I have an interview with Silver Grove Independent (I was told that was Highland's district).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 20, 2007, 03:59:16 pm
Ohio State had 4 All-Americans this past weekend. To be an All American in wrestling you need to place in the top 8. They finished 10th as a team and return all 4 of the AA's as well as a very solid incoming Frosh class (2 of the 4 AA's were freshmen this year).

Got Ears?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 20, 2007, 10:07:19 pm
I had on a green button down shirt and i was wearing a big gree lep. hat

Sayer are you going to the education fair tommorrow at the Mount?

Any more thoughts about coming to harrison?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 21, 2007, 10:04:05 am
my hangover is finally gone from the 4 day bender. let me toss something at ya.

patty's day or new year's eve: it was and is very unwise to drive. you go out with peope in their 20's, nobody wants to be the DD, so you get a cab. you find yourself making your cab reservations at midnight for 2am (who knows how we even remembered to do that) and then the cab never comes. while you call and are on hold for at least 15 min each time, the operators act like you are stupid and say "well, we are quite busy."

ok, here's my deal with this: A) we called 2 hours ahead of time. B) the bar has a code to give the cab so that they can get immediate service as to avoid dui's or accidents year round. C) they tell you on the phone 2-25 min before pickup. D) you tip very well because you avoided the inconvenience of a dui and being arrested. E) the cab never came until 5am, and then called your cell phone for 45 minutes while you were passed out sleeping after making the death march some 13 miles on the way home. what person waits outside a bar for that many hours waiting for a cab? and what cab driver thinks it's a good idea to call at 5am when you made reservations at midnight? just frustrated, and i now have severe chaffing from the walk.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCC_alum62 on March 21, 2007, 11:16:02 am
my hangover is finally gone from the 4 day bender. let me toss something at ya.

patty's day or new year's eve: it was and is very unwise to drive. you go out with peope in their 20's, nobody wants to be the DD, so you get a cab. you find yourself making your cab reservations at midnight for 2am (who knows how we even remembered to do that) and then the cab never comes. while you call and are on hold for at least 15 min each time, the operators act like you are stupid and say "well, we are quite busy."

ok, here's my deal with this: A) we called 2 hours ahead of time. B) the bar has a code to give the cab so that they can get immediate service as to avoid dui's or accidents year round. C) they tell you on the phone 2-25 min before pickup. D) you tip very well because you avoided the inconvenience of a dui and being arrested. E) the cab never came until 5am, and then called your cell phone for 45 minutes while you were passed out sleeping after making the death march some 13 miles on the way home. what person waits outside a bar for that many hours waiting for a cab? and what cab driver thinks it's a good idea to call at 5am when you made reservations at midnight? just frustrated, and i now have severe chaffing from the walk.

It makes a man weep
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 21, 2007, 09:48:13 pm
to quote a wise young round red faced coach "you couldn't even get a sh*#tburger when it was all said and done."

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 22, 2007, 09:30:26 pm
It only took us 15 minutes to get a cab in De-Troit during Nationals.

Macke, I'm lookin around now. I found a couple districts in KY that have postings (Kenton County and Silver Grove Ind in Campbell County). Silver Grove has an odd schedule that is similar to year round. Not my cup of tea, but starting out at $35,000 and being relatively single, it isn't bad. Hamilton has some postings as well as Little Miami. As far as subbing, I'm on Deer park, Wyoming, Finneytown, and Norwood's lists so I should be good as far as work is concerned.

What's Three Rivers like? Did they ever pass the levee? Your brother could use a "real" wrestling coach over there as well as some football coaches. Dr. Schoensted is good friends with the Superintendent over there and I think she would highly recommend me as a teacher.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 26, 2007, 12:38:14 pm
Sayer:

In Kentucky I heard that Pendelton Co. has some teaching and football positions opening up there.

Three Rivers, first i have been so busy here at Harrison That I haven't had to any suping at Three Rivers.  So I don't know what is opening.  I do know they don't have anything for me.  I could hook you up with some contacts down there with the guys that I worked with.

They don't really have any football positions opening up.  But I did talk to the Ad this pst weekend about the wrestling program.  They are looking to start from scratch and bring another HC.  And they are only going to hire a educator for the position b/c the Jr. high coach is probably going to get denied b/c he is not an educator.  If your interested just let me know and I get you lined up with the right people.

Dr. Schoensted, what a great person, ya she put in a good word for me to
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 26, 2007, 12:39:33 pm
boy oh, boy.  Man has this board been dead.  Where has everyone been?

Go Bucks in the road to the final four
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 26, 2007, 03:40:39 pm
I'll keep an eye on it. If you want to throw my name around as a possible wrestling HC, I would appreciate it.

I wish I would have played an actual pool this year. I had 6 of the elite 8 and 3 of the final 4 in my little bracket that I'm keeping track of. I also had 26 of the 32 in the 1st round. I guess that's the way it goes. UCLA vs OSU in the finals.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 26, 2007, 03:43:51 pm
Tepee, Sears showed up at Amelia for an Open wrestling match. He wouldn't stop running his mouth. Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to wrestle him, but he and Tim Kelley about threw down in the parking lot. Great stuff.

I am glad to say I am officially retired from all competing now. I dislocated my shoulder in the first match (I still got 3rd), and realized I'm getting too old to be doing this stuff.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on March 26, 2007, 05:11:49 pm
hopefully the shoulder won't mess up your intense benching schedule. good luck with that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 26, 2007, 08:49:41 pm
you goof, why did you go about dislocating your shoulder for.

no problem, I'll do what i can
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 27, 2007, 04:57:36 pm
He tried to throw me and his weight and mine landed on my elbow/forearm (my arm was bent at a 90 degree angle). It popped out and went back in. Hurt pretty bad and is still very sore and I haven't been able to sleep very well at night.

The insane benching schedule hasn't been insane for a while. Not since the 'Glory-Morning' workouts in the spring of 2004. I wonder how TMC likes pushing Towels across the gym floor? I know I didn't.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 27, 2007, 05:14:06 pm
Macke, give me a call sometime: 793-3541.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 27, 2007, 09:17:16 pm
You will never guess who is in Town, home from the Navy!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 28, 2007, 08:06:39 am
Hoss's brother told me. I think I'm helping Hoss paint his house Saturday morning.

Let me know if/when you guys are going out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 28, 2007, 07:05:32 pm
You got suckered into that to.

Probably not till this weekend because that is the only free time i have.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 29, 2007, 08:09:32 am
I haven't seen Hoss in a while. I need to do all the good deeds I can. Plus, I'm sure Hoss will be hooking me up with some brew and when you're like you and I, Macke, free booze is as good as free money.

Also, if anyone is the praying type, could you say a prayer for my grandpa. He has cancer (from asbestos) and things don't look too good for him. He's been one of the few male influences in my life and has always looked at me as a son rather than a grandkid. I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Countdown till Draftday: 30 days.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on March 29, 2007, 09:41:04 am
He's in my prayers...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on March 29, 2007, 12:15:23 pm
not only will send a pray up for him, but I will also drink a cold one for him as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 29, 2007, 01:58:04 pm
He would appreciate it...but only Budweiser. Light beer isn't beer according to him.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on March 30, 2007, 09:26:22 am
no "GHT" from me...hope things get better
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 30, 2007, 09:41:01 am
He went to the Doc yesterday and though things arn't great, they are better than originally thought after the MRI.  And again, I do appreciate it.

Countdown till Draft Day: 29 Days
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on March 30, 2007, 12:20:35 pm
Article about Bluffton's basbeball team and their game with MSJ today.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070330/SPT/703300365/1062
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 02, 2007, 09:33:17 am
Finneytown High School just hired a new head football coach, Eric Taylor. Eric happens to also be a Deer Park alum (class of 96). If anyone may want a possible coaching and/or teaching position, keep an eye on the situation. I'll put in a good word.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2007, 09:01:28 pm
I saw former MSJ QB Rashon Lewis run for McMurry at the UT-Arlington meet last Saturday and figured out what happened.

He returned to Texas and will play QB next year for McMurry.

Lewis is also running on the 4x100 Relay team that ran a D3 best 40.44 sec. ten days ago.  (That 40.44 is the 10th fastest time ever in D3 and only 0.01 secs off the McMurry school record.)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 04, 2007, 09:04:04 am
I don't think they'll play him as a QB. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 04, 2007, 01:29:09 pm
Better them than MSJ. My cousin goes to school there and plays soccer (pretty good too). I'll be sure to give her a warning sign to tell her football buddies about Mr. Lewis and his wonderful 'team' attitude.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 04, 2007, 01:44:02 pm
"Stephen Johnson won't return to the team at quarterback in his final season of eligibility. However, Rashon Lewis, a junior transfer from the College of Mt. Saint Joseph's in Cincinnati, Ohio enrolled at McMurry in the spring.

Lewis threw for 899 yards, five touchdowns and eight interceptions while rushing for 399 yards and four scores last season as a sophomore for the run-first NCAA Division III institution. As a freshman in 2005, he passed for 1,298 yards, 14 touchdowns and nine interceptions while rushing for one score."

Straight from McMurry's website. I like how they specifically mention (after Rashon's wonderful stats) MSJ is a run-first team. You damn right. PTR. That's how you win. I guess they have trouble with that concept coming off a 3-7 campaign.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 04, 2007, 02:01:07 pm
You better watch it....she might get an idle threat or two    ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 05, 2007, 02:56:21 pm
Threaten to hit her? He hasn't been able to hit anyone not named Mike Jones in two years.

It's like The Longest Yard remake when the Mexican guy wants to play QB.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 05, 2007, 03:04:05 pm
The Reds new Uni's are lookin good. The white with red trim...Nice.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 10, 2007, 10:11:04 pm
Chris Henry got lucky with only ans 8 week suspension.

Do you think this will affect their draft?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on April 11, 2007, 01:52:40 am
It depends on whether they believe that Henry's problems are probably behind him.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 11, 2007, 01:56:24 pm
I think now, it is finally starting to sink in for Chris Henry
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 12, 2007, 07:23:57 am
I wish I could make it rain
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 12, 2007, 03:50:28 pm
Sayer:
It is raining here in Michigan today.  All snow from yesterday is now gone! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 13, 2007, 05:57:51 pm
Looking at ESPN The Magazine's draft review, they have 2 kids from D3 expected to be drafted. Not signed as UFA, but actually drafted. D3 hasn't had a player drafted in quite some time, but  Michael Allan (Whitworth) and Jason Trusnik (Ohio Northern) are listed as 6th and 7th round draft picks. The magazine even lists Allan as a possible option for Cincinnati on Day 2. Allan plays Tight End and Trusnik plays Defensive End.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 16, 2007, 11:50:46 am
13 more days. I wonder what it's like being a big time college athlete preparing for the NFL Draft. Being probed with question after question, speculations on which team/round you'll be drafted by/in, and how much you'll make.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 17, 2007, 09:25:11 am
I think a plethora of prayers are in-line for Va Tech. I'm still young enough to call current college students friends and have actually been to a former player's funeral. I just recently been dealing with the loss of my grandfather. Even recalling all the past sadness, I couldn't imagine what it would be like for a parent losing a son/daughter to this. In both previous cases, it was understood they were sick and life wasn't going to last long. In this, imagine speaking to your mom/dad, as a perfectly healthy, partying college student, and an hour later being dead. Nuts

It's really weird that tragedies seem to happen in three's. So far this year, we have Bluffton's baseball team and now this. I hope nothing more happens at American colleges and Universities, but...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 17, 2007, 04:01:17 pm
dr. phil was on larry king offering advice after the shootings.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 19, 2007, 03:22:49 pm
I think that they can do better than that.  come on, Is Dr. Phil the guy you really want to be taking counsling from in this kind of situation.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 19, 2007, 10:15:28 pm
ummmm, let's see. i would rather have montel talking to the teens before dr. phil. montel has more street cred than phildog.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 20, 2007, 04:44:20 pm
Just the fact that you two watch either one is disturbing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 20, 2007, 04:50:00 pm
better than maury, way better.

top draft pics admitting smoking pot nowadays. i agree with the sports panel guys, better than saying no and failing a drug test later. i am sure a lot of these guys have made some childish mistakes in their college days. just because they are huge and fast doesn't mean they are immune to regular college activities (if my kid smokes pot i'll remove a lung and part of his brain for him), but I am sure they saw their future and decided it wasn't wise.

the nfl stands for what? if they keep that stuff up in the league, they won't be in the league. drugs have killed great careers and i am sure they know that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 21, 2007, 03:11:33 pm
Josh Hamilton? I think he'll be a great incentive to NOT get out of hand with drugs. NL Rookie of the Year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 21, 2007, 05:35:04 pm
only to be slowed by 17 years of hamstring problems like ken griffey jr. but hey, he went to moeller.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 22, 2007, 04:39:49 pm
oh, and in kentucky we are releasing felons from faxes sent from a grocery store, with spelling errors. i love kentucky, and all that it stands for.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 23, 2007, 10:16:58 pm
4 more days....lets go fishing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on April 24, 2007, 08:37:18 am
oh, and in kentucky we are releasing felons from faxes sent from a grocery store, with spelling errors. i love kentucky, and all that it stands for.

Okay, enough with the Kentucky jokes.

I just wish every time I cross the Ohio River going into Indiana or Ohio thay would quit stopping me to make me put my shoes on. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on April 24, 2007, 09:30:19 am
Didn't know Kentuckians had shoes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 24, 2007, 10:42:21 am
They don't....thats why I couldn't live down there anymore. 

AND they have UK fans, who are without a doubt the most fanatical fans in the country.  its sickening, but also was very funny when they didn't get Donovan when he was "in the bag". 


Hey JPC you lurking??  Is this meeting tonight going to be everything its being advertised as?  I have some major stuff to move around and the last time I went to a TMC deal, I ended up losing my girlfriend because I fell out on some "welcome home party" for her cousin.

LMK
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 24, 2007, 11:10:03 am
my top 5 favorite things about kentucky:

1. fort knox
2. louisville cardinal football
3. no shoes
4. kentucky not getting donovan
5. roads named after turkeys, or just called turkey for that matter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on April 24, 2007, 11:22:28 am
I'm surprised that Keeneland and Wild Turkey are not on your list.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 24, 2007, 02:03:16 pm
wild turkey would have been on there 4 years ago. however, i had a legendary night with wild turkey before thanksgiving and the hangover almost killed me. it's like a bad girlfriend, sure it's fun and dirty, but in the end you are the one getting hurt.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 25, 2007, 08:32:15 am
Hey guys, big news out of Crestview Hills last night.  It was announced at the Thomas More Hollbrook Center that construction will begin within the month on phase 1 of a two phase improvement plan for Thomas More Stadium. 

Phase one will include grading the field, installation of a track, lights and a new PA system.  The timeline for this is for September 2007. 

Sounds like this takes Ray Bosse's vision further along.  Ray was the man who was responsible for putting football on campus at Thomas More through donations and fund raising on his own behalf.  He had no backing from the school until they decided to put the team on campus.  I still remember laying down sod in the endzone....none of this would have been possible had Ray gotten things moving in the right direction back in the late 90s. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 25, 2007, 08:49:45 am
where will the stadium be located? same spot or moved?

i am glad to see thomas more upping the football ammenities. that can be a great place to play football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 25, 2007, 10:26:57 am
Jim Hilvert arrives, and poof, TMC starts working on a new stadium. Coincidence...I think not. Kentucky isn't that bad. My buddy lives down there (also a TMC guy) with his wife and he loves the Commonwealth (as he calls it).

SaintsFan, Josh called me last night and we talked about the plan. It's about time. I still have nightmares about the field in 2002. Some of the guys were a little pist though because the field should have been started already.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 25, 2007, 12:13:36 pm
Stadium will be in the same spot, but 4 feet lower (grading it out).  When all finished this will be a great place to play football and a nice recruiting tool. 

This has been in the works for awhile, Sayer.  Many have been working on this at various levels for some time now....  Has getting Hilvert given TMC a chance to get in front of more alums and given them a reason to get together and meet?  That answer is yes. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 25, 2007, 01:03:12 pm
I think Hilvert has a little more influence coming from MSJ to TMC than some other coaches may have due to the rival factor. He has first hand knowledge of how building a nice complex and field can help recruiting and school morale. Guys like us will go and watch football anywhere, but other students like coming to a nice complex and player take a little more pride in where they play when it's nice.

I know people have been "talking" about this, but that was also true at MSJ. They talked about building an on-campus complex since my buddy Greg was there in the laste 90's. They finally did it in 2004.  I think Hilvert is the one who set the ball rolling.

It's easy. Look, MSJ has been 6-4, 10-0, 9-1, and 9-1 since they started building a new complex. MSJ is our rival and has won 2 of the last 3 years (convincingly), would you rather play here (MSJ's complex) or here (TMC's complex). I recruited kids to MSJ and built a winner from a traditional loser with help from the nice facility, I can do the same with a nice facility here. Done deal in 2 minutes of speaking.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 25, 2007, 01:29:53 pm
i think the same was said when mike leonard was named head coach at franklin. they hired him from rival hanover, and said pretty much the same thing. while the stadium was already nice, they needed to improve the weight room (which only took a few years) and really do up the game day atmosphere (which leonard pretty much did with the help of great supporters). the alums were so willing to help in any way that they could (outside of investing for field turf) that he was able to put a team on the field with new uniforms, equipment, gameday atmosphere, and quality recruits in his first year. alums love leonard because:
1.) he is a great face guy for the program
2.) he will spend time with the alums and is sincere
3.) he is tremendous at presenting and selling the FC football program
4.) he is franklin football, and everybody knows that
5.) when you invest in his vision of the program, you'll see a positive return quickly

it sounds like hilvert is the same type of guy, and one that alums will like a lot. it also sounds like this guy had his ducks in a row when he interviewed and stated out clearly what his vision was for the program. i commend him and think they will do very well in their conference very soon.

anybody have an idea how spring has been going over there? offenses, defenses, should they be tough as soon as next year?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 26, 2007, 09:03:02 am
I have nothing on Spring Ball. I talk to guys still playing every now and again, but I don't have the first hand knowledge as I used to. I actually have more knowledge of TMC than I do MSJ...which is kind of bad. But I do know that all the players really like Jim Hilvert, love his new workout regiment, and seem to be buying into his system. Rumor is TMC also got an assistant from Colerain and someone else of mention to coach. I don't remember either's name. SaintsFan, can you confirm?

I still know which side I'll be sitting on come Novemeber though. Sporting the blue and gold, rooting for a TMC butt whoopin.

JPC - The Man, The Myth, The Legend and beach volleyball extraordinaire
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 26, 2007, 09:07:21 am
And how about that Cincinnati Reds Boo-Pen. Bronson Arroyo may not have any golden locks left if the Redlegs keep putting up 1 run of support. He is currently 0-2 with a 2.86 ERA (one of the best ERA's in MLB).

Tomorrow is go time, 12:00 noon. I do think Michael Allen (Whitworth) will be drafted. The other big D3 prospect, Trusnick (ONU), will be passed on and will sign as a UFA.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 26, 2007, 09:41:30 am
is ken griffey going to have a late career comback and be the man breaking barry bonds soon to be record? it's a shame he got hurt all those years. the man was a stud.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 26, 2007, 10:15:33 am
Ken Griffey's high top baseball turf shoes were awesome for football.  Got to try a pair on, but never had the loot to purchase a pair.  Got stuck with the white "buddy" version Nikes from whatever wholesaler. 

Remember the kid from Princeton, running back converted to defensive back, had a pair of them there Griffey's.  The green see through bouncy stuff on bottom complemented the red unis so well.

Loved those "buddy" turf shoes during practice, but were in violation of the black shoe dress code for games. They were so nice, the guy I backed up at end styled them as urban wear. 

And yes frank, urban wear to macleod was going to class barefoot.  Bet I run faster barefoot than you do in them sandals.   ;D

Wasn't willin to paint up my uber-Nikes, so I go to the now defunct, can't remember the name, sporting goods retailer in downtown Springfield and buy a pair of dated Nike turf shoes, circa 1992.  This is in 1996 mind you, so am thinking good deal is in the works.  Bought some other junk too.  Exhausted after practice and being a subpar mathematician to boot, dude charged me ten dollars over the price he quoted on these lowtop Nike turf shoes.  Great shoes, just like the ones the school had been issuing for free back in the day.  >:(

Anyway, show up at practice the next day thinking I am styling.  Turns out the black shoes dress code applies to brand name as well.  Not really an issue as am only brand concious about power tools and chainsaws in particular: Stihl, Husqvarna, Dewalt and Craftsman, in that order.  Just a little upset at the fact had to turn a nice looking pair of Nikes into what look like a pair of officials shoes by marking the swoosh out with black marker because Reebok was supplying our cleats.    :'(  Use the word supplying losely as we had to pay for them.

Bought the Reebok high top screw ins just not the turf shoes.  Best pair of cleats owned to date, well maybe the Nikes I've got right now are a little better.  But be darned if the dog didn't chew them up on first sight.

In the meantime, every other pair of screw in cleats I've owned have shredded like string cheese.  Underarmours, too narrow, ripped out the side in less than five uses, darn Flintstone feet.  Adidas, best playing cleat, broke the metal and plastic plate on the bottom in half, darn power cleans and one legged squats.

Still have a pair of Reebok molds, same line as the ones from college, only the Emmit Smith version with the zip up spat, probably the fastest of all, but fastly approaching status as deck shoes as they play just as well on turf as grass these days.

Sorry for the ramble, just brought up Griffey and thats what sprung out of the cuckoo clock I call a noggin.
 
signed,
Marion Motley's Chuck Taylor's
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 26, 2007, 10:18:33 am
Okay, okay, so maybe Milwaukee makes a good sawzall.

signed,
The Brewers and Doumit
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on April 26, 2007, 11:05:06 am
50 years ago a very good pair of kangaroo skin, black high tops with screw-in , nylon, steel tipped cleats were tough to beat - light, flexible, strong, supporting and traction creating. Probably cost prohibitive today.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 26, 2007, 12:11:27 pm
Had a pair of high top Converse that I bought during my freshman year of high school.  Wasn't real knowledgeable about materials and grade as the upper was made out of nylon.  Really tore the feet up.

First pair of football cleats, eighth grade, were leather low top Converse screw ins.  Just to show what a Dilbert I was even back then, thought the Cheerleaders shoes with the replaceable color swatches next to the Converse chevron were much more stylish than the gray on white deals Coach Blocher engineered for us.  Caught too much flack about wearing my Adidas Copas from the early soccer days to not follow suit and buy a pair of foootball as opposed to futbol cleats.  Though am afraid did have team colored shoe laces.

At risk of infuriating Victory, Laura Davies was probably upset with the outcome of the Liverpool-Chelsea match yesterday.

That freshman year, bought the Converse because Coach Bill called my Pumas basketball shoes.  No self respecting grappler should stand for such an insinuation.  While the swimmers were fish, at least they weren't basketball players.  Too bad came down with the brain pain freshman year, as never found out whether those Converse were worth a darn once broken in, they were just like the ones the brothers playing guard and tackle had, albeit in black as opposed to white, just like my gui.  Think theirs were leather, and should probably know given the usual persepctive

Didn't own another pair of screw ins until those Reeboks.  To tickle my fancy for style, at least those had 88 embroidered on the heel, so they could be customized to reflect the number on the jersey.

signed,
Haselrig
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 26, 2007, 01:12:02 pm
I used to play in Pony's. The style in 1991 (I was in 4th grade playing pee-wee) were the Nike Land Sharks. I was poor so Pony's had to do.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on April 26, 2007, 11:58:36 pm
Just popped on to say hello.  All's well at TMC.  Spring practices are done, good news on the stadium came in, lots of hard work being done, recruiting is going well, and the alumni are getting the fever.  The staff gets along very well and we have a core of good players who have bought in.  I'll be curious to see these PAC schools up close to see what needs to be done to compete for the bid.  Since we open with Hanover you'll be able to get a sense of where we are come September.  It's a new offense and new defense so I can't predict anything (not that I would anyway).  It's so hard to tell without pads anyway.  I really like Trevor Stellman our QB.  He's very smart, focused, and can make all the throws.  Health will be a huge factor until we get some recruits in the system.

SaintsFan: The meeting was very good.  It focused mainly on one neighbor with about 75 objections which ate up 90% of the discussion but it was great to see the drawings on display and the committment from the school.  This has been in the works for quite a while but the stars are aligning.  Sister Stallmeyer has been great.  She seems to see the entire picture without a bias for or against sports.  TMC is lucky to have her in place at this time.  They are handling this the right way.  I simply would have sent in a video of Hilvert and his cut off finger to Extreme Home Makeover and tried to work a sympathy plea to Ty and the design team for our crappy unplayable field. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 27, 2007, 01:23:08 am
those old cleats would have been glorious to wear. i was always stuck with a pair of 50 dolllar nike screw ins. once they broke in, they were awesome, but always lacked the simple black style of the old school.

i like how theobald used to get the all blacks and spat them up for games as a panther, glad he is a grizzly man now. he is so much less athletic, but much more beautiful in about 240 lbs at 5'7.

draft saturday, any last minute thoughts? i will be drinking a lot of beer and eating an amazing amount of pizza and wings. i am fat, but i love it. god i do love it so.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 27, 2007, 11:15:29 am
Today's the day. Everything is set so no last minute rearrangements tomorrow. The couch is brushed, the blanket is ready to be unfolded, and cooler near the recliner is ready to be filled with the beer and ice. All I need is ESPN tomorrow for Pick number 1...til I fall asleep.

The NFL Draft is a National Holiday. We should get a 3-day weekend for it. There's a lot of mental preparation needed and I find I'm having a hard time focusing today. I'm looking forward on Day 2 seeing a D3 name called.

Signed,
The Prestige
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 27, 2007, 11:17:18 am
I think I see TMC starting 11 Freshmen next year, preparing for the 10-0 run in 2010.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 27, 2007, 11:17:35 am
Not me.  My team here at work won an all expenses paid afternoon of golf and evening of dinner, beverages and gambling at Belterra.   I'll watch a bit, and then roll down 71 to Racers and then over to Belterra.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 27, 2007, 11:30:31 am
Only allowing breakfast meat and eggs twice a week right now.  Started about two months ago.  Once during the week and once on the weekends.  In their stead have a bowl of Cheerios or Special K with a banana.  The potassium in the banana helps to regulate the two cups of coffee in the morning to keep the energy levels from spiking.

Was always told to eat bananas and fish before tests, turns out the science says it heals brain lesions and promotes coherent thought, maybe should look into that more.   ::)  Have probably eaten more seafood this year than the rest of my lifetime combined.

Tried taking Gingko Biloba for a few weeks when the diet first changed, but am so damn sensitive that I couldn't control how hyperactive it made me.  Makes for great awareness in group sport, but think it might have me trying the crusher on guys that bench press twice as much as me on the mat.  Kersplatt!

Anyway, have dropped better than 15 pounds per weigh ins last night.  That's little more than a stone for you limeys and  little less than 7 kilos for the Bulgarians and Canucks.  The digital scale kept bouncing back and forth between 250.5 and 251.5 depending on which thigh I was scratching.   ;)

Guess could always attribute the weight loss to cutting back on the pork rinds with Crisco for dipping sauce.  I'm so fat I wash myself with a rag on a stick.

Seriously though, have switched from calcium carbonate to calcium citrate and the zinc uptake is monumental.  The carbonate impedes renewal of what growth plates we have left.  Getting the zinc from blueskinned fruits: grapes, blueberries, blackberries etc...  Works real well with the Glucosamine, MSM, Chondroitin and Collagen liquid.  That stuff is a miracle drug.  If you're sulphur intolerant just try the caplets with Glucosamine only.  Those with any type of aches and pains should know about this stuff.  Nectar, just pure nectar.

Cut refined sugar almost completely out of the diet, and since the increase in fruit uptake, the stuff almost makes me gag.  Surprisingly, appreciation for a good beer has magnified ten fold.

signed,
Wylers (because I'm too cheap for Koolaid)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 27, 2007, 01:26:52 pm
WTF???

Racers...let me know how it is. I've never been, but plan on it sometime soon.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 28, 2007, 02:28:44 pm
So far, things have been interesting. I think the Browns taking Thomas has shook things up for the first 10 picks. Suprises...Brady Quinn still sitting after 11 picks (doesn't suprise me, but suprises the 'experts' and Teddy Ball Game being the 9th selection for the Dolphins. I think his diversity is the reason he was selected. Other than the QB aspect (which he does have a little exp at QB) he's essentially a Randel-El...can run the reverses, play WR and return kicks and Randel El did very well with the Steelers. I think if the Dolphins get Trent Green, which may be inevidable now that they didn't take Quinn, I think Tedy Ball Game will fit in nicely with the system and as Jimmy T says, special teams is the most important aspect of football. aka Devin Hester and the games he changed for Da Bears last year...Teddy Ginn??? same thing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 28, 2007, 04:31:19 pm
Cleveland gives up their 2nd round pick and their 1st round pick in 2007 to get Brady Quinn at pick #22. They now have 2 of the top 5 players (as selected by Mel Kiper). Personally, I think Quinn will be your typical average QB, and none better, but with Jamall Lewis at HB, the new O-line (Joe Thomas 2007, and Steinbach-former Bengal) and Braylon Edwards and Winslow at WR/TE, Cleveland will have an offense that will challenge. They have been working on the defense in FA, watch out in 2007 for Cleveland. Next year they will be alright, but I hope they don't get anxious and put Quinn in ahead of schedule. Smart move by the Browns though. Lets see if they can get some quality in the 2nd day.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 28, 2007, 04:48:56 pm
Bengals select Leopn Hall. Not a good pick in my opinion. I know he was high on a lot of Draft boards, but high profile WR in college such as Teddy Ball Game and Dwayne Jarrett have made him look like an average Corner. I think the Bengals would have done better with Michael Griffin or Reggie Nelson, both of whom I believe are better than Leon Hall.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 28, 2007, 05:53:42 pm
49ers Trading their #1 in 2007 for a late round #1 this year??? Not what I would have done.

Where is everyon else?


You know what my drunk-ass has been thinking about. Everyone puts all this $$ money and efort into the best picks (#1, 2 ,3 ) but majority of the top players are late rounders. (3rd round and up). MY explaination is that these guys rely more on technique than overall athletic ability. Tom Brady, Housch, Colston, just name a small few. I'd rather have an O-linemen who has the proper kick-slide, keeps his hips low, and can bench press a volkswagon, tha an O-linemen who passes all these speed/quickness tests. Why??? how often does an O-linemen need to move more than 2 yards. If he can get into his pass set and press the guy off of him and has proper footwook, who gives a rats a$$ how fast he his. In the run game in The League, it's all position blocking. Nobody cares if you can pancake everone. Get a body on a body and beat your opponent mano e' mano. That's what it is all about.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 28, 2007, 07:19:25 pm
if god really hates cleveland, brady quinn and joe thomas will be eaten by hyper aggressive evil marlins on a fishing trip.

this is the best opening round for the browns since they nailed down a guy named kosar. if these guys suck, i am going to say the city is being punished by art modell's voodoo witch doctor.

OL should be pretty good this year. thomas, steinback, bently, tucker and andruzzi (i think). charlie frye sucks and should be sent to siberia. derek anderson, well i hate this guy. he reminds me of a boss i had in high school that had a super deep bass filled voice and no personality. he may fun, but that image won't leave me. he has to go or made to leave.

i am not sold on jamal lewis, he better come out ballin. braylon, shut up and run routes. soldier, start wearing camo, a lot.

my main concern is their defense. they are so sluggish sometimes that i want to drink poison during the games. i have never seen a team just get grabbed like little boys rushing the qb and get bitched around like that. they look tired, weak, slow, non manly, etc. i hope the next pic they get some sort of really angry and mean dude. let's get some guy who saw his family go down by keyser soze and wants to just hit the hell out of everybody. that would be nice.

mel kiper, is getting on my nerves. the second he brings up the sleeper from up state montana who played 8 man football at little Cowboy Juco Arts School, i am calling espn and complaining.

i do love this day, even though it's stressful, i love it so.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 28, 2007, 08:02:05 pm
Okay, okay, sorry for the Julia Child's power training power lunch hour earlier.

First, Victory, how can you hate on Charlie Frye?  Any guy that can bumble and stumble his way that far down the field makes my hero list purely for the sake of not being smart enough to stay down.  Really thought he was gonna get cleaved like Dre Bledsoe for a minute there.

[segue]  Only braver or stupid run run I've seen involved the second ND Brooks Brother circa 1992.  Dude gets absolutely wacked and maintains his directional momentum and balance entering the endzone unconcious from at least seven yards out.

Cleveland's oline could be very good, hopefully they are deep and a veteran tackle is there to tutor Thomas and a veteran guard plays next to him to solidify his confidence in knowing the blocks to make.  Nothing worse than paralysis through analysis.  But with Jamal Lewis it could simply be K.I..S.S.  White knuckle all the way.  That speed at tackle reeks of GT counter and counter boot.

Andruzzi? 'Nuff said.  Bucketsallday for the firefighters' brother.

Which brings us to Herr Quinn.  Not many thoughts here, other than Cleveland is a Golden Domer town in my mind and the weather is similar to South Bend.  Domes are for sissies.  Think Frye will still carry some weight besides the clipboard, but this is the best fit for Quinn in my esteem.  Whether it is the best fit for Cleveland remains to be seen, after all the Golden Domers say I look like Kosar.  Kid is tall enough to look over a big line in playaction without windows, fast enough to boot a little and strong enough to take hits.  Expect a lot of handoffs and checkdown passing.

With Crennell being a defensive guy, expect Cleveland to use many backs to grind and find a smurf receiver, whether on the roster or in the draft to help tilt open and boundary flank when Charger JR is at end instead of motion flank to two splits. 

Might we see some Marchibrodaesque looks for an Hback to offset full as well?  That would be the coup d'etat.  Like Leonard beating Wing T teams with Sally in his own backyard.  There's Modell's witchdoctor Victory, and I've got his uglies.

Cincinatti? 

Safeties don't play corner Sayer.  So much potential on that team it is sickening.  The Pacers of the NFL, but managing to keep the roster intact.


signed,
Seargents Pepper and Johnson
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 28, 2007, 09:39:23 pm
Sayer:

As always i have to agree with you on the Bengals first round pick about the kid from Michigan.  I would like to see them take a conner or safty, put not to sure about that kid. 

What about the second pick a rb.  There a dime a dozen.  I was hoping they would still go defense and pick an out side LB.  I know there short some what short at rb with henry always hurt.

Question, was the DT out of U of M still on the board?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 28, 2007, 09:40:25 pm
It feels good to be back on the board
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 29, 2007, 04:18:18 am
the dt out of michigan only had 25 tackles his senior year. not that productive. more hype than animal.

i hate frye because he is too thick to see the reads. i am glad he is too thick to know he got hammered 10 plays in a row to know how to get scared, but come on... he is now future qb of a franchise. big ben he is not.

the ol could be good, very good next year. olmen adjust better to the nfl than skill guys for some reason. i think if you are good at wrestling and throwing around guys, you eventually keep being good at it. it's harder to adjust to coverages and routes than whipping somebody's butt. all that being said, cleveland will love quinn like kosar. both wanted to come very badly and revive the once proud franchise.

their defesne needs help. i love the pic of michigan's corner to the bengals. good CHARACTER guy and i think he will be much more mature than the whack jobs on the roster. day 2 will be great for the bengals. they will get a few guys who will scrap to stay on a team and do what needs to be done. in essence, good CHARACTER  guy who will play balls out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 29, 2007, 10:15:42 am
bengals went with the best on the board in rd2. Dtackle and linaebacker from UM were both gone (i think woodley went to Pittjust before Cincy).  there was a huge run on D just before the pick and there was not a lot of great value on D sitting there.  Irons is first round talent and Cincy needs a backup everydown back cause they kill Rudi every sunday and Perry has been useless because of injury the last couple years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on April 29, 2007, 10:17:31 am
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Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 29, 2007, 10:43:11 am
Thanks DC70, checked it out, seems pretty cool.  There was a time I weighed in the three hundreds.  Most who knew me in college that first year only remember me at 200 that year.  Swung a hundred pounds in one academic calendar year, both ways, 200 to 300 to 200. 

Am not in it so much for the weight loss or inches, as much as am trying to get stronger without getting fluffier and don't want my energy levels spiking.  On my diet it is more about what you eat than what you don't eat. 

I train Bulgarian, and it is less about calorie in and calorie out and more about keeping the battery charged to sustain kilojoules and learn how to call on them.

Big thing is the content of that first meal sets up the metabolism for successive meals of the day.  Next most important thing is eating protein before going to sleep to prime for that first meal.  The rest of it is just gravy.  mmm mmm gravy tastes good

Victory, am not saying Frye is the future of the franchise.  Maybe the Kubiak to Quinn's Elway.  Just gagged on my own vomit with that statement.  Knowing that my favorite QB is Jon KItna should tell you something right off the bat.

It is just that power running teams' quarterbacks get teed off on and eventually the backup gets some time.  Think Rypien and Williams.  Simms and Hostettler.  Kelly and Reich.

Hogeboom, Trudeau and Tupa.  LMAO, guess they're the quarterbacks that got teed off on with or without attendant power running game.  Axe that logic.

Okay, okay, so maybe Frye is more akin to Tupa than Reich or Hostetler, but come on, dude has a serious set of brass cajones.  I don't like quarterbacks very much at all and I like this dude.

signed,
Buster Douglas on Sega
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on April 29, 2007, 11:48:03 am
Quote
Maybe the Kubiak to Quinn's Elway.  Just gagged on my own vomit with that statement.  Knowing that my favorite QB is Jon KItna should tell you something right off the bat.

The most entertaining posts on the site, bar none.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on April 29, 2007, 12:09:14 pm
Graham and Ratterman. Paul Brown had some great stories about George Ratterman.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 29, 2007, 01:25:03 pm
The most entertaining posts on the site, bar none.

How am I funny to you.  Am I funny haha.  Tell me. Tell me how I am funny to you.  You think I'm here to entertain you.

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Next time dey order spaghetti and marinara weezus a sendum egg noodles and ketchup.

Gotta slice the garlic real thin like so it melts in the saute butter.

Now I'm beklempt, talk amongst yourselves.

signed,
Spydah
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 29, 2007, 05:55:07 pm
I try not to understand.

I know, but whether it's safety or corner, the Bengals obviously needed both and I think the two Safeties, Griffin and Nelson would have been a better pick, then selecting a corner in Rd 2, then doing whatever. I thought it may have been a possibility that Cincy would take Troy Smith and try to do what they attempted to do with Reggie McNeal last year.

And remember, I'm calling this right now. The best WR in this draft will be Gonzo from Ohio State. I know Calvin Johnson has the speed, size, but Anthony Gonzales runs the best routes of any WR in this draft, catches the ball very well, and will be a Houschmanzadah type WR. Plus he's with the Colts who have the best QB in the game. The lions will still be looking for a legit QB in a couple years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 29, 2007, 06:46:40 pm
It has been a while since I've posted but I needed Sayer's analysis to be justified about Gonzales being better than Calvin Johnson? 
Also, the Lions had a QB who threw for over 4,000 yards last season in Mike Martz's offense.  Now I'm not saying Kitna is better than Manning, but who is really in a better position to have the better rookie season?  Let me add Johnson will be a no. 2 receiver while Gonzales will be getting time at the no. 3 or 4.
Oh yeah, I'm a Lions fan too!  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 30, 2007, 09:01:16 am
Sayer,

Saturday was good.  Not many days can you get 18 holes of golf, a few dances at Racers AND a VERY long night at the Casino....  In fact, I slept all day yesterday because there were a few of us that didn't go to bed on Saturday night.

I came out ahead by $300 but a buddy of mine was the big winner at $1800.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 30, 2007, 09:13:33 am
i would rather play 3-4 receiver in indy than be the man in detroit. while the 8mile thing is cool and all, the team is aweful and woeful. since they are a member of the old guard in the nfl, i wish they would get back on track and get to the super bowl.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on April 30, 2007, 02:03:56 pm
when are the Lions going to learn that these skills guys that they keep picking aren't going to get it done until they land an offense line that can protect the QB
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 30, 2007, 02:29:04 pm
The Lions have no real incentive to improve as long as they sell-out every game with this pathetic product.  REAL Lions fans DON'T attend games - it is the only vote we've got to improve the team!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 30, 2007, 02:33:18 pm
The Lions did do some work on the line during the offseason.  They picket up George Foster in a trade w/ the Broncos which he did start 49 out of 45 games.  They also signed Edwin Mulitalo from the Ravens who will play left guard.  Also, Damian Woody dropped 31lbs in the offseason showing he is taking things more seriously as he entered a program at Duke to drop the extra weight.  So it looks like they have addressed the Oline issue to protect Kitna w/ some vets that will get the job done.
I think the Lion's offense will be good to great this year, its their defense that will be the problem.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 30, 2007, 03:46:18 pm
The Lions did do some work on the line during the offseason.  They picket up George Foster in a trade w/ the Broncos which he did start 49 out of 45 games.  They also signed Edwin Mulitalo from the Ravens who will play left guard.  Also, Damian Woody dropped 31lbs in the offseason showing he is taking things more seriously as he entered a program at Duke to drop the extra weight.  So it looks like they have addressed the Oline issue to protect Kitna w/ some vets that will get the job done.
I think the Lion's offense will be good to great this year, its their defense that will be the problem.

Ah, an overachiever! ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 30, 2007, 04:03:11 pm
i would get a guy who played in more games than required as well. he seems like he loves the game, and has a real passion for playing, or shadow blocking.

the lions sell out their games. they have great fans and stupid front office people. i get why they picked the wr from georgia tech, but come on. actually, let jon kitna earn his money. if he can throw passes and pass block de's in the nfl, he may be highly underrated. plus, he shaves his head and swears a lot, i like that in a qb. kudos to detroit.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 30, 2007, 04:13:42 pm
Thanks Mr. Ypsi for pointing out my mistakes. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on April 30, 2007, 04:33:37 pm
I thought that too.....shall we say...."he's a real gamer". 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 30, 2007, 04:36:02 pm
Oh, shucks - that was a mistake?!

The Lions could use a few overachievers! ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on April 30, 2007, 06:20:20 pm
if it makes you feel better, i was just weed whacking the outside and took what i thought was entire infectous bed of weeds. i was very proud of my afternoon. there were a lot of weeds and i completely erradicated my little domicile of them. turns out, they were expensive flowers and plants that are hard to keep alive. i just murdered about $400 bucks of whatever the hell they are. this is going to be a very interesting evening. pray for me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on April 30, 2007, 07:05:51 pm
The Lions needing only a few overachievers is an understatement.  Hopefully their clean house tactic pays off by getting rid of all the bad attitudes & bringing in all of the "character players" that Marinelli keeps on talking about.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 30, 2007, 09:01:34 pm
Keep in mind that Jon Kitna is 34 years old and has been in the NFL for 10 years now. His best year in terms of yards was last year, but he still threw more INT's than he did TD's. He is on the down hill and other than a few good years (1999, 2003, and last year) he has been a very average QB. What happens to average QB's when they get old? Calvin Johnson did have 3 games this past year where he caught 2 or less passes. His season next year may be similar cause honestly, I don't see Kitna putting together 2 years back to back like he had last season.

Anthony Gonzales will catch his passes. Payton Manning throws and completes A LOT. Marvin Harrison will be in his 12th year next year and isn't getting younger. While Gonzo is learning football and working with the smartest player in The League, Calvin Johnson will still be searching for a QB to throw to him. Randy Moss is an amazing WR and going to the Patriots scares me, but how good has he been recently. No one can get him the ball.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on April 30, 2007, 09:07:37 pm
As a #3 receiver in Indy's offense, Brandon Stokely caught 109 passes for over 1600 yards and 11 TD's during 2004 and 2005. He was injured last year. He's gone and filling his spot will be Anthony Gonzales.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 01, 2007, 10:11:15 am
i am still in shock over miami drafting ginn. his foot injury is the same one that ended a few notable nfl careers, and one that doctors still do not have a good grasp on. i have heard of guys who have recovered, but only after 9 months of in-activity and a some major surgery. does anybody have any info on ginn's recovery? what they did to fix his foot?

mel kiper called troy smith the qb steal of the draft, thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on May 01, 2007, 10:22:44 am
Troy Smith has a lot of upside for a 5th rounder - but a big "wash out" factor.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 01, 2007, 12:28:48 pm
Concerning Smith

Sorry Sayer: but what does he offer in terms of productivity for an NFL team.  I don' think he is that fast as an Randel type of player.  He has the arm and the percecsion passing capability but i question his QB decision making.

He is moved to a slot back and is utilized as WR position then can catch a ball?

I don't see what Mel kipper sees in Troy Smith
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 01, 2007, 03:30:52 pm
He did win a Heisman and put up similar numbers as Quinn against similar competition. Quinn had more yards and TD, but Smith had better completion % and less INT. Smith's rating was also better. Other than one game, he picks it up and plays great in the spotlight.

Troy Smith was a 2nd round pick until the Florida game. JaMarcus Russell was a mid-late 1st round pick until the Sugar Bowl.  Lesson: Don't screw up in your last game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 01, 2007, 06:52:16 pm
actually, i agree with sayer. if he whooped on florida, then maybe he would've been a higher pick.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on May 01, 2007, 10:26:05 pm
Kiper may see a young Jeff Blake in Smith.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 02, 2007, 08:46:33 am
He did win a Heisman and put up similar numbers as Quinn against similar competition. Quinn had more yards and TD, but Smith had better completion % and less INT. Smith's rating was also better. Other than one game, he picks it up and plays great in the spotlight.

Troy Smith was a 2nd round pick until the Florida game. JaMarcus Russell was a mid-late 1st round pick until the Sugar Bowl.  Lesson: Don't screw up in your last game.


Quinn played like **** against USC AND LSU right?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 02, 2007, 10:15:06 am
no, i would say that his teammates dropped about 11 passes vs USC and his OL couldn't open a hole for his running backs. not being argumentative, but even the announcers were all over the dropped passes and that "great OL" being tossed around like a group of freshmen. i remember two dropped passes in the end zone. you cannot drop passes that hit you in the hands in the endzone and beat usc.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 02, 2007, 10:30:41 am
he may have been killed by lsu, i was flipping through channels at that point. i have no story on that game except that lsu has an enormous team. a lot of really big people and they can run.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 02, 2007, 12:06:05 pm
Well but, but i just haven't bought into Smith as a professional QB
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 02, 2007, 12:35:45 pm
He struggled against those teams. He wasn't horrible, but stuggled. He looked average in a lot of ND games this year and it all started with the OSU loss last year in the fiesta bowl.

He did put up some impressive bench reps though. I think he repped 225 for 22 reps.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on May 02, 2007, 12:47:51 pm
Frank, Kiper?

See a young Bradshaw in Smith.

Gonna make a comparison here and hopefully the wrasslin' spirits don't get too upset.

The NFL goes in cycles and is perpetually evolving.  In basketball, there was a time when the Lakers and Celtics were running willy nilly with taller players and the long stride.  That is, until Isaiah and the Microwave came around and negated out and out speed with quickness and tenacity.

Now, the linemen in the NFL grew to Appalachian status once the use of hands was made more liberal for passblocking.  And outside of three wide sets and other unothodox sets, the short receivers utility was novelty.  Marvin the Martian and Mike Martz did much to rememdy this, but still, the tall recevier is considered prototypical.

Recently, have seen the advent or at least retrun of smaller, attendantly shorter linebackers, with greater quickness to be able to turn hips and help out in deeper pass coverages.  The caveat being Urlacher, but then again, that double monster invert thing they run has the center fielder, errrr middle linebacker playing in the box.

Think Troy might be the Isaiah type return to a quarterback that both buys time and rushes much like Zeke did for the Bad Boy Pistons.

If McNair hangs around and tutors Smith for a minute, might see the quarterback position evolve away from the Goliaths of Manning, Elway and Jim Everett and back toward the scrambling and tenacity of the Bobby Laynes, Steve Youngs and (heaven forbid!) Jon Kitnas.

If there was ever a quarterback to tutor Smith, should think it is McNair, afterall, he did tutor his own heir down in Tennessee, Vince Young, when Vince was a Longhorn.

Smith will need an acrobatic receiver or two and a tight end to get vertical.  While Martz might be considered multiple West Coast, the real West Coast guys, Holmgren and Chucky et al, look for quick reads with the eyes and arm as opposed to the feet....  probably why Kitna was bumrushed out of Seattle for the taller 'system' quarterback.

There was a considerable amount of West Coast mentality that evolved in Tennesse for McNair under Fisher, and this school looked more toward semi-splitting the backs from I with taller tailbacks.  Maybe the reason Jamal Lewis, lower center of gravity churning style has passsed under Billick.  Even Martz was gravitating this way with the Oregon State guy at tail.

If the evolution of those microbackers is compromised by the downhill forward lean of taller running backs, have to think extra footedness with the quarterback could help turn flank.

Smith the next Blake?  C'mon Frank,  where's the love babyboy.  Always the hater.  Love it, love it!!  Hater-haters collaborate.

Not a big Buckeye fan here, but like the potential for Smith.  His powerful build might allow him to do some things in the pros that a shorter quartebrack like Leak might not.  Think back to McNabb's injury year three seasons ago,  Feely and Koy come in and tear things up, but their slight builds compromise their health.  Garcia had these same skill sets, but little more powerful build and operates well out of one of the West Coast permutations under Holmgren's twin.

Smith is no Kordell.  Smith didn't play in the option, but betting while Kordell probably had the better 40 time, Smith is probably faster on the 20 shuttle.

Then again, anybody that watched the quarterback skills challenge the week before the draft is thinking it is a safe bet Smith plays something more Randle El than Cunningham.

signed,
Craig Stadler and Laimbeer's Mask
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 02, 2007, 01:50:39 pm
When Troy Smith faced a team w/ real speed like Flordia he had no idea on what to do which resulted in a bad game for him.  Now take the speed of Flordia & multiply it by 10 & that is what he'll be facing in the NFL.
Now part of the blame does go towards his protection b/c he did pretty much have someone on top of him every play, but to me he didn't look like an NFL caliber qb to me.  Could I be wrong?  Absolutely, considering the rest of his career at OSU was amazing, but overall I see him making his career at another position.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 02, 2007, 03:11:36 pm
Who cares really.....I hope both Quinn and Smith SUCK in the NFL while they are with the teams who have drafted them.  Now if they get moved out of the AFC North, I'll probably be singing a different tune.

I would have liked to have seen Quinn in a Dolphins uniform. 

Prediction:

Ted (don't call me Jr.) Ginn will be a bust in Miami because of injuries from being slightly built and an attitude problem...

The ND boys (minus Rhema McKnight) will have nominal careers in the NFL.  Brady mostly because he's going to be a Brown.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 02, 2007, 05:20:59 pm
Macke, have started interviewing yet?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 02, 2007, 06:39:11 pm
i see smith more of a drew brees with a much stronger arm, more durable, and a bit like john elway, only shorter, a tad slower, not as strong as an arm, and blacker.

it would be nice if the nfl coaches came in and saw a qb and tailored an offense for them. ala dan reeves for elway, wyche for boomer, you get my point.

i wonder if that's why hotlanta hired petrino. he is known for a wide array of offensive plays that can put his qb in the forefront. if he does that with vick, watch out. he is used to working with 19 yr old freshman who just met mary rotten and teaches them his offense. i am sure he can teach a stoned vick what to do on the run.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 03, 2007, 09:40:14 am
no, not yet, starting to get a little nervous.  You?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 03, 2007, 09:45:13 pm
I'm with ya buddy. Except I hadn't heard anything for 2 years. I was told it's still very early, but still. I've sent my stuff into about 12 schools/districts and haven't heard a thing back. No email, call, letter, etc. I guess all those Cincy Public layoffs is causing some problems. I'm starting to look at some Country schools. The market is a little less saturated.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on May 04, 2007, 02:12:10 pm
Sayer- there are tons of jobs out here in California for teachers.  You sould look at lausd.net for info.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2007, 02:39:56 pm
I'm with ya buddy. Except I hadn't heard anything for 2 years. I was told it's still very early, but still. I've sent my stuff into about 12 schools/districts and haven't heard a thing back. No email, call, letter, etc. I guess all those Cincy Public layoffs is causing some problems. I'm starting to look at some Country schools. The market is a little less saturated.
Adam. come to Texas, especially the DFW northern suburbs!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 04, 2007, 10:27:10 pm
I know, it is just so discouraging.  I don’t know what to do.  I think might sub for another year or so until the department chair retires next year.

I'm to scared to leave the West Side of Cincinnati  :-[
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 07, 2007, 10:22:50 am
try this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgX-hiQdfFw
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 07, 2007, 10:23:51 am
and don't party like this guy....sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFQJPeuU5H8
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 07, 2007, 07:01:38 pm
Don't Hassel The Hoff. He has some problems.

If I was single, I'd take a look at some of those options, but my Ol Lady is almost in her nursing clinicals and I need to take into account her needs as well. We're not married or engaged, but that's just a matter of $$$ more than anything right now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 07, 2007, 09:52:44 pm
what the hell was that?

That was WRONG in so many WAYS!!

I can't believe that they actually let this guy decide talent show
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 08, 2007, 09:20:35 am
that guy likes his sauce
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 08, 2007, 02:27:27 pm
proof that this is the best show on tv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENX2hUQhTm4
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 08, 2007, 08:49:31 pm
That is an actual disease/syndrome believe it or not. I learned about it way back in psych 101. Which was about 7 years ago now. There are quite a few oddities out there that you wouldn't think of. People being scared of aluminum foil...all sorts of screwed up things. But Scrubs is a very funny show.

DON'T HASSEL THE HOFF
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 09, 2007, 09:27:57 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMFHXcd0yQ

now, why couldn't these guys be smart enough to buy the helmet and shoulder pads? huge rugby hits, and yes, scrubs is awesome.

the more you know
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 09, 2007, 10:48:15 am
Great Hits, but even more amazing shorts
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 10, 2007, 11:21:05 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvMFHXcd0yQ

now, why couldn't these guys be smart enough to buy the helmet and shoulder pads?  

the more you know

VB,

Deleted previous message due to Mencia's "dee-dee-dee" syndrome - didn't read previous threads, and had senior brain flatulence.

I believe an investigation of rosters of most city rugby clubs in the US, such as the Indy Reds and Cinci Wolfhounds, will reveal quite a few lawyers, doctors, and other professionals as participants.  Some "mentally-challenged idiots" still lace up the boots and have a go as "old boys" (over thirty-fives), though the third half tends to be the main attraction.  ::)

There's an actual world tournament, The Golden Oldies, held every four years for the geriatric set.

Signed,

"Still crazy after all these years" - 38 of them
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 10, 2007, 09:42:37 pm
So let me get this straight. In Rugby, you knock the piss out of the guy to the point where hopefully he's unconscious and fall on him, creating a pile and try to steal the ball. My kind of sport!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on May 11, 2007, 12:49:48 am
Sayer -

If you get a spare moment, get on the Cincinnati Wolfhounds RFC website, and find out when there's a match in town.  Miami U plays pretty quality ball as well, in your immediate neighborhood.

No downfield blocking, and the ball is the constant "on-sides" line for possessing team.  Minor infringements are seldom called right away, as the flow of the game is allowed to proceed to see if the non-offending side can benefit "or gain advantage" from the miscue.  The flow is similar to a continuous pass interception scenario (ala Stanford-Cal), and triple option attack except you have fourteen options as well as kicking the ball to yourself or a team-mate coming from behind (compare to the new two-line pass rule in hockey with a streaking winger).

Several of Roy Kramer's all-MAC footballers become rugby players post-eligibility ('75-78) up at Mt Pleasant/Central Michigan.  Linemen really enjoyed the opportunity to carry and kick the ball vs sitting in the trenches and letting some clean-socked, bench-challenged specialist get "gravy on both sides of the biscuit."
Three of them - Szymarek, Kovaleski, and Smallbone still play with the Exile Originals (1976-1985 roster members) - and yes, most of us are over 50.

Check it out - any guy on the sidelines will explain idiosyncracies to you, and the post game parties are legendary.  ;D ;D ;D

 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 11, 2007, 10:04:23 am
I tried to send something in to get a little more information but the computer wouldn't let me (don't know if it's a school block or not). I'd like to do it as something to do (I'm starting Flag Football next week-we're sponsored by Champions Sports Bar) But you don't hit or tackle and that's the whole point of football. I don't care about my spin moves anymore, I want contact. It seems like their season is about over so I may try to do something next year with them. They seem to have a really good team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on May 11, 2007, 01:21:48 pm
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070511/SPORTS0202/705110422/1057/SPORTS02

This is an excellent signing for Franklin - congrats!

At least he didn't choose DePauw.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 11, 2007, 02:44:51 pm
hot damn, that's great news for the grizzlies. like i've always said, you get around leonard and you love the man. great recruiter, great coach, great person.

how is hanover's recruiting going?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 11, 2007, 03:22:43 pm
5'10"?

He's going to end up at WR or DB.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 11, 2007, 05:14:56 pm
Maybe, maybe not. They may need to get him out of the pocket to throw, but putting up those kinds of numbers is impressive. He seems to have good decision making skills (unlike other QB's I know who liked to get out of the pocket). We'll see. I wonder if it's a legit 5'10" or if he may even be 5'9" or so.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on May 11, 2007, 08:22:51 pm
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This is an excellent signing for Franklin - congrats!

At least he didn't choose DePauw.

how is little giant recruiting going at the qb spot? And overall? Have heard some mixed reviews.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on May 11, 2007, 08:29:42 pm
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This is an excellent signing for Franklin - congrats!

At least he didn't choose DePauw. 

Can anyone provide an update on franklin rcruiting? coach leonard is a class act who is reaping what he has sowed (sown?) these past few years. nice to see him achieve success. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on May 11, 2007, 10:09:42 pm
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This is an excellent signing for Franklin - congrats!

At least he didn't choose DePauw.

how is little giant recruiting going at the qb spot? And overall? Have heard some mixed reviews.


I know Jake German from North Montgomery is going to Wabash next year - played QB and had a pretty successful career.  Coach last year was his dad, Charley German, who also played at Wabash.  It's a good recruit for Wabash.

I'm just now getting back into the loop now that the tax crunch is behind me, so I'm not sure about other commitments at this point.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 12, 2007, 05:13:10 pm
i don't think 5'10 will have a major outcome on his success in college. too much is placed on height a lot of times, and not enough on making plays. he seems to make plays. i especially liked in the article where he looked forward to soaking up leonard's system for 2 years before making a starting run. how many successful athletes have played and had to sit for a year, or two, or three, and hang it up. it takes maturity to realize your spot and keep getting better everyday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on May 12, 2007, 09:57:49 pm
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it takes maturity to realize your spot and keep getting better everyday.


that sounds great...but i want a player who wants to compete right away....sounds like this kid wants to air amil his first two years---looking forward to his junior year...just like in high school. i'm sure he's a solid player and a great kid...but spare me the "waiting your turn" spin...

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 13, 2007, 02:35:54 pm
please inscabout,

i think everybody associated with franklin college football knows that chad rupp is the man the next two years. this kid obviously saw some film or attended a game to know how good he is.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on May 13, 2007, 09:31:57 pm
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i think everybody associated with franklin college football knows that chad rupp is the man the next two years. this kid obviously saw some film or attended a game to know how good he is.


understood....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 13, 2007, 11:28:15 pm
But still, you come in wanting to play, or redshirt a year, which is what I would recommend. Having that attitude about wanting to wait isn't good because you tend to get lazy. You start thinking along the basis, I don't have to work today, there's plenty of time. Then all of a sudden BAM, you haven't done crap and your trying to bid for a starting spot. I would encourage him to be a pain in the butt. Watch film, live in the coaches office asking questions, try to outdo the starter. If he doesn't get the starting job, the competition will only make Rupp better...or show you he's not up for the challenge of stepping to the next level. Whatever it is, competition only makes a team better.

8-Ace Left-Gun Strong-Fac-Indiana-Girl-On Two (trying to be creative...but it is an actual offensive set and play)

Signed,
JPC Wannabe
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 13, 2007, 11:30:58 pm
Just an FYI, the O-Line clinic is this weekend at the Millineum Hotel. I hope to see some of you there.  Maybe Sayer can get on stage and show what a "real" offensive lineman looks like.   :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on May 14, 2007, 06:37:31 am
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But still, you come in wanting to play, or redshirt a year, which is what I would recommend. Having that attitude about wanting to wait isn't good because you tend to get lazy. You start thinking along the basis, I don't have to work today, there's plenty of time. Then all of a sudden BAM, you haven't done crap and your trying to bid for a starting spot. I would encourage him to be a pain in the butt. Watch film, live in the coaches office asking questions, try to outdo the starter. If he doesn't get the starting job, the competition will only make Rupp better...or show you he's not up for the challenge of stepping to the next level. Whatever it is, competition only makes a team better.

my point...well said.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 14, 2007, 07:10:29 pm
Macke...Any luck? I had an interview today in Silver Grove, KY. If I get the job, I may give Coach Hilvert or Huber a call and see if I can't help out. I miss football.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 14, 2007, 07:36:07 pm
By the way, the formation would look like this: (Basically I'm really bored)
                         Y  T  G  C  G  T  Z
      X          < -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  - F
                                 H  Q

Fullback starts in the '8' spot, goes in motion (Fac). The base formation is Ace Left (Ace meaning 1 WR). The QB is in gun. Strong tells the HB he's lined up to the strength. We're running Inside Zone left.

Here's another:

0-Twins Right-Fig-50-3,5,1,out
                        X  T  G  C  G  T                        Z
                                    Q                     Y
                     ^- - - - - -F
                                    H

Fullback starts in the '0' spot, goes in Fig motion (weak wing). The pass protection is 50 (even tells HB to block LB's 1-2 on right, OL blocks down linemen and LB's 0-2 on the left). X runs a corner, Y runs an out, Z runs a fade, and the fullback runs an out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 15, 2007, 11:24:31 am
NO luck  :(

Did you check out the Taylor Head Coaching Job.  I mentioned your name to the AD.

I know the Distrcit has PE jobs opening up at the Middle and High School.

Sayer have you tried playing your flute lately.  That always helps pass the time instead of drawing up formations up on the internet.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 15, 2007, 11:28:27 am
Bengals release Sam Adams.  Little surpiresed by that espicially how they thought so highly of him, and since rehabing and working hard this offseason to drop weights.  "suppositly".

Sucks for him since he just took ownership in Arena Team here in the Nati.

Sounds like Odel is going be given a second chance by the Bengals if he is cleared by the League.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 15, 2007, 04:19:55 pm
The flute's a little rusty  ;D

I'll check it out, but I don't want to be a HC yet. Maybe a Coordinator.

I'll see ya at Nicole's graduation.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on May 15, 2007, 10:02:02 pm
Can anyone provide an overview of Franklin recruiting????
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 16, 2007, 07:32:14 am
VBell can...PM him. He'll be the only one.

Macke, I didn't know it (forgot actually) but Randy Mecklenberg is the principal. He knows me well. Used to be Deer Park's former Athletic Director. He sucked as an AD, didn't care about wrestling one bit. Maybe life's better for him as the principal. I'll never forget making out with this girl in his office. She was his aide, and I'll admit, ugly, but she was a senior and I was a freshman so I didn't give a rats a$$.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 16, 2007, 10:44:10 am
Sayer you dog You

Ya, Randy still works for the District I don't know if he is Principal still or whether he works down in the district office.

You coming over on Sunday?

Give me someone to talk to
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 16, 2007, 10:45:46 am
Heck, I don't know anything about the MSJ's recruiting class this year

Supposedly TMC got a couple of guys from Elder and Lasalle
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 16, 2007, 03:41:42 pm
i have heard franklin is doing a nice job of wrapping up the late deciders. you know the guys who are pretty talented and are flipping a coin to see if they are going to fc, hc, wabash, or depauw. they have done real well late in the game the past couple of years with this process and i expect it to continue.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 16, 2007, 06:32:31 pm
Macke,

I'll be there Sunday. She said there would be brew, but to bring some just in case. Blue Moon has out a new Summer Ale that's pretty tasty.

I'm putting together an offensive playbook incorpoarating some ideas I borrowed from my time under JPC, Coach Mac, the Cincy Marshals, and the Semi Pro team. I guess playing that Semi Pro crap wasn't a complete waste of my time. I'll ship you a copy of it when I'm finished to give you some ideas and to help you out.

I've been busy with job searching and whatnot and haven't heard a lick as to what the Mount has been doing with recruiting. I may shoot some messages to people and get the inside word, but I know this, MSJ will have guys who love to play football. Maybe not the best recruits, but guys who will show up at 6am to work out and love playing the game.

I ran 5 miles today and thinking of trying to do one of those mini marathons. I know I wouldn't win it (I'm currently at 9 min/mi), but I figure I will never be able to run a real marathon or even a half one, so what the hell. I think it'll be something fun to do. Just so long as I don't end up dying like that one guy during the Flying Pig. ANyone ever ran one and can tell me a little of what its like?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 17, 2007, 09:29:04 am
sayer, what are you including in your playbook? i imagine you are running ball coach. cincy marshalls? deitz? is he playing for jay gruden in orlando now? same team i am assuming, i could be wrong.

and yes, run that mini marathon. great way to keep yourself motivated in your exercise adventures.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 17, 2007, 01:38:47 pm
yes....running is stupid, Adam.

its like running on the treadmill except that when you get tired, you have to get back to where you started somehow....if you have money in your pocket you can take a cab...but if not then you're screwed.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

NOT some guy from Kenya
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 17, 2007, 06:17:37 pm
You got a chuckle out of me.

And I am a run first person, what can I say, I was an O-lineman. I'll break it down when I have time. It's not perfect, but I figure if I can put one together now, tweak little by little in the coming years as I learn more (still reading info on the spread), it'll be good in the future.

How about Tony Romo and Carrie Underwear, I mean Underwood. She is smoking hott.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 18, 2007, 09:13:14 am
Yeah...supposedly those two are friends....as Romo said last week, "its nice to be able to experience great things together"...as he was at the Country Music Awards on Wednesday night in Vegas and then back in Dallas for Cowboy Sponsor Golf Tournament on Thursday...must be quite the life..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 18, 2007, 01:20:59 pm
tony romo aint' so bad himself, i am joking. but he is handsome.

sayer, you looking to run more zone, or are you trying to stay away from it?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 18, 2007, 03:45:45 pm
GAY-DAR

last post is scaring me Victory Bell
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 19, 2007, 07:04:36 am
Zone will be the bread and butter, inside and out. This O-line clinic has been worth the $70 just in the couple hours Friday night. It was all Zone talk and  I picked up a lot from it. Especially from Mitch Browning who was doing some interesting things with pulling on the zone play (which I haven't seen but I haven't been around the block much yet either). He actually ran the outside zone like we blocked the sweep at MSJ, which I guess kind of makes sense because they are both outside plays and the HB is looking for a crease, but I never thought about zone blocking like that.

Since I base everything off 4 'I' formation plays (I also have other 'special' formations in which there is either no fullback or the fullback always lines up in the same spot) and move my fullback based on giving him a number, I end up with a plethora of single back, spread looks, and as most of us know, inside/outside zone is the B & B of the spread run game. I'm not quite to the point where I can do some of the stuff that was in those Urban Meyer notes, but like I said, I'm starting early and changing based on the more I learn.

70_DC - you know Tony Romo is a sexy B!tch...I'd date him if it meant sleeping with Carrie Underwood :)

signed,
Confused  ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 20, 2007, 11:20:22 am
If anyone wants to learn more about the inside/outside zone, Alex Gibbs is the man to see. He was awsome at the clinic. He went about a million miles an hour, but presented some very valuable information. If anyone can or wants to, the website is www.thecoolclinic.com and you can get the video from the clinic. It's worth the 40/45 dollars. Plus you can search for Alex Gibbs online and buy some of his clinic vids. Paul Alexander was good and so was Mike Munchak (NFL Hall of Famer). Munchak is good friends with Deer Park's head football coach and it was fun to shake hands with him and BS a little.

I suggest anyone who wants to coach in the future to attend this (3rd weekend in May next year). It was valuable and well worth the $70. Also, if anyone can find where Alex Gibbs or Mike Munchak is speaking, attend one of those. Great people to learn from and great speakers. Munchak is with the Tennessee Titans and Nashville's only 5 hours away.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 21, 2007, 09:21:48 am
i imagine there were some large individuals at the cool clinic. since we are strictly talking ol play, and most of those guys played ol, it wasn't a fancy pants receivers clinic.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 21, 2007, 11:33:59 am
Also, the 2007 Schedule is out.

It features road games at Hanover, Thiel, St. Vincent, Bethany (who we owe a smackdown) and Mount St. Joe.  Coming to Crestview Hills are Grove City, Waynesburg, Westminster, Geneva and W&J. 

8 game league schedule.....I guess Hanover and MSJ are the only holdovers from the HCAC.  Too bad we cant fit Franklin or Defiance on there...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 21, 2007, 01:21:14 pm
Favorable schedule.

There were some rather large individuals, but there were also guys who were there who were just coaches and some were unemployed (like myself). It really was a great time. Most of the talk was on the zone (inside and outside) and I learned a lot. I was fortunate to have an O-line coach like Coach Carpenter and to an extent Coach Venard, so I had a plethora of good knowledge, but when guys like Mike Munchak talk...you listen and write as fast as possible. Be as if you were a sponge.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 21, 2007, 02:20:57 pm
i'll have to order those tapes and check them out. i bet those things are def worth the price. from what i have heard, those clinics are unreal if you are serious about learning ol play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on May 21, 2007, 06:15:28 pm
Also, the 2007 Schedule is out.

It features road games at Hanover, Thiel, St. Vincent, Bethany (who we owe a smackdown) and Mount St. Joe.  Coming to Crestview Hills are Grove City, Waynesburg, Westminster, Geneva and W&J. 

8 game league schedule.....I guess Hanover and MSJ are the only holdovers from the HCAC.  Too bad we cant fit Franklin or Defiance on there...

SaintsFAN:
How are you doing?  Well, I hope.  Anyway, I understand what you mean about the scheduling.  Same situation occurs for Hope, although perhaps we could say it does for almost any D3 team now.  With basically only 2 non-conference slots, teams have to choose among a group of schools that have rivalries established with each other.  For example, Hope has some good rivalireis with Wheaton, Wabash, DePauw over the years.  However, they all can't be fit into the schedule each year.  DePauw had to opt out of their game with us this year due to Colorado College coming into their league which is understandable, yet it disrupts a several year string.  On the other hand, with some rivalries that TMC has like you mention, Franklin and Defiance could be rotated in there in future years when current contracts run out and thus, alternate some teams on a 2-4 year basi.  Anyway, it does make it interesting and challenging as far as scheduling.  Also, with gas prices skyrocketing, I think that many schools will try to schedule closer away games for their non-conf.  See you on the boards.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 22, 2007, 08:18:45 am
Sayer Please shoot me your play book.  I should've talked to you about some o-line drills and tech.

I myself started running distance about twice a week doing two miles when ever i can.  But anthing over that my body just doesn't do no matter what my mnd tells it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 22, 2007, 10:03:28 am
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6836960?MSNHPHMA

wow, i am speechless. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 22, 2007, 10:40:10 am
Bank of Kentucky Field...

Crestview Hills, KY--Thomas More College and The Bank of Kentucky announced today a naming rights agreement for the new athletic field on campus.  The Bank of Kentucky committed $1 million to the project, which will be named The Bank of Kentucky Field. This leadership gift kicks off the fundraising campaign for phase one of the Thomas More College Athletic Complex Project, which is estimated to cost $1.5 to $2 million.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 22, 2007, 03:34:17 pm
I'll tell ya what, give me your email (I may already have it) but give it to me JIC and I'll give you whats complete.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on May 22, 2007, 05:12:34 pm
Bank of Kentucky Field...

Crestview Hills, KY--Thomas More College and The Bank of Kentucky announced today a naming rights agreement for the new athletic field on campus.  The Bank of Kentucky committed $1 million to the project, which will be named The Bank of Kentucky Field. This leadership gift kicks off the fundraising campaign for phase one of the Thomas More College Athletic Complex Project, which is estimated to cost $1.5 to $2 million.

My apologies to you HCAC guys as I should probably post this reply to SaintsFAN over on TMC's board.  However, since the discussion on this topic originated here and SaintsFAN's latest as noted above is posted here, I'll post this, so please forgive me this one time :)

SaintsFAN:

Good to hear from you and glad you are doing well.  Great news about the TMC/Bank of Kentucky arrangement.  One question though:  I thought your alma mater recently completed the new stadium - so does this new Athletic Complex include even newer renovations/additions i.e. like a Phase II to the football stadium or rather is it basically the other sports complex for basketball arean, vollyball, swimming pool, athletic training, dance studios, athletic administration and coaches offices, etc., etc.?  Just curious.  Regardless, it should be a great new addition and upgrade to the campus.  Seems like almost all the D3 colleges and universities are upgrading tremendously to their physical facilities whether athletic and/or academic, but then again, that is just part of the competition to "keep up with the times" and offer the great facilities to prospective students in making their choices.

We are doing well, but much news in the cycle of life here as with anyone - I will send you a personal email message here to update you on life here.  Thank again to you HCAC guys for your tolerance.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 22, 2007, 05:52:30 pm
Boy do those NFL guys make themselves real intellectual or what.  Kind of makes you wonder what Clinton Portis is hiding behind his closed doors.

Can't blame Portis for sticking bihind the good o'l boy skystme and sticking up for his fellow professional athlete, but the law is the law and you can't break it.  While ignorance is no excuss either.

Vick doesn't seem like the stand citizen to model after either.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 22, 2007, 05:53:19 pm
I don't care what TMC does also long as they get that dam field turf in.  That field sucked.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 22, 2007, 06:57:08 pm
Macke...check your email
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 23, 2007, 08:10:59 am
formerd3db,

The improvements you speak of were done in time for the 1999 season so football could be played on campus.  I would be remiss if I didn't mention that if a certain teammate's father hadnt ran with the project, my class would have never taken the field on campus.  It was a modest facility, and he was working to make it even better until his sudden passing.  So the field has sat until now...

They are installing turf, a track, permanent bleachers with lockerrooms underneath etc....should be nice. 

It also appears we have a new logo...

Do update me with that personal email. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 23, 2007, 08:36:21 pm
someone had some good smack on Jim Rome today saying "Portis is dead on, dont mess with my privacy of what i do in my own house - signed Orenthal James Simpson"

Wasnt DC supposed to play in Germany this spring?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 24, 2007, 10:01:30 am
Got it Adam

Thanks
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 24, 2007, 04:21:42 pm
does anybody remember the oj episode on saturday night live when he was using the teleprompter? he was explaining a pass route that ended up spelling "I did It." it was quite hilarious.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 24, 2007, 11:40:50 pm
That's where he must have gotten the idea for his book. The only time Orenthal is in the news anymore is when someone kicks him out of their restaraunt.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 25, 2007, 10:35:12 am
i like when jim rome called him stabber for about 5 years, that was classic.

question: if you were to design a playbook, how many run plays would/could you have effectively? if you didn't use zone, could you use more run plays with different man schemes? if you use zone, does that limit what you can use? thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 25, 2007, 01:17:36 pm
Honestly it depends on who you ask. Alex Gibbs (Denvers former O-line coach) and who most people consider the 'father' of the modern day zone, believes zone is ALL you run and nothing else. Depending on how the defense lines up, it's inside or outside. When the guy (forgive me for forgeting his name) from Minn. talked, he said he ran zone (inside or outside) about 50-64% of the run plays.

If you do believe in the zone concept (as I do), I think zone needs to be at least 50% of your run plays because a lot of time is needed to work on the blocking scheme and rules. Treating zone as another run play won't allow you enough time to cover all of them. Blocking Iso, Power, etc. is more blocking structure and not as much time is needed to cover the blocking rules (just my opinion). I also believe that you should run other run plays, if for anything else, you set up your play action passing game. Keep it basic...Power, Sweep, Trap, Iso, Option, Counter, and maybe throw in a reverse or shovel (I love the shovel...some will say shuttle...WHATEVER). Any MSJ guys remember that practice when I convinced Coach Mac to run the Shovel Pass....we run it in practice and Hubie yells "Mac, it's about damn time you put that in...I love that play." I do believe you need some misdirection.

As Coach Hill would say...KISS!  Gotta go. I'm in Tenn for my sisters graduation and my real dad (former bodybuilder) made me lunch...mix of oats, egg whites, and raisins and filtered water...all mixed together...felt like I was on Fear Factor. Gross!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on May 25, 2007, 02:19:34 pm
When you guys are talking zone are you including stretch?

Think the Augustana veer stuff from a wing formation has a lot of zone principle to it.

Have seen and played two zones, the stretch and the multiple west coast.

Two principles in the zone stretch were tackles trying to hook the end and pulling a tackle across bunch.

Am always a fan of Lombardi sweeps with two guards and a fullback thrown in for good measure, but the pass game gets rudimentary with an out and curl.  Still have bucktrap and bucksweep as well to handle pinches and flexes.

The multiple west coast, with the fullback offset like Barnette's Northwestern offense is money for pin and fold technique whether the zone is inside or outside.

Am a big fan of rocket and jet sweep from the aforementioned stretch principle, otherwise those rocket and jet sweeps are Sally in my lexicon with the playside linemen trying to influence by veer releasing.

With the inside stuff, the play is called the same, and the down, trap and power actions are audibled by the linemen rather than in the huddle.  Tough to install and puts the onus on the line to know the depths of handoffs and ride paths.  Can be done, but the line has to do their homework.  Reasons for high Wunderlik scores by offensive linemen.

As an addendum, the Quarterback can override lineplay call at the line with directional run audibles and a center directional call.  At this point the center has a Mawae pull or not pull execution choice as well as a passoff down the line.

Guess to answer the question Victory, there are 8 called running plays, albeit with more than three potential ball carriers.  Direct run to A,B and C and misdirection to A and C.

The playbook unfolds with the lines understanding of counter steps, jab steps and direct paths of the ball carrier.

While the plays to be called from the sideline are few, the plays to be practiced are many.  As the line gets an understanding of the plays called in practice, they evolve what they can do within the context of the game.  And for those coaches that demand utmost control, the plays called in practice are still available come gametime.

This method might not be so great for coaches trying to control passing windows, but much of that can be alleviated with pistol and shotgun, though sacrificing some of the wizardry that occurs with the quarterback turning his back to the defense and necessarily hiding the ball.  The caveat, and Sayer surely likes this stuff, is the rocket opening up much more shovel or shuttle game as both direct and misdirect.

signed,
Darryl Royal's Wishbone Salad Dressing
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 25, 2007, 05:54:25 pm
Yes, stretch would be included.

One key point that Gibbs talked about, which I though interesting was the final step in zone blocking for his O-linemen. By the third step, the o-line was working to the 2nd level. If there was a zone combo block, the person who was staying on the d-lineman and the person moving to the LB level were determined by the third step. This coincided with the HB's steps. By the 2nd step, the HB was to have made his read (outside-in, inside-out based on if the play was in/out zone) and by his third step he committed and was running upfield. This means that the O-line and HB were running upfield at the same moment. A) this limited confusion by the HB on where to run, B) the HB knew where his blockers would be, C) when your running downhill in a hurry, there are not many negative plays, and D) the HB has fewer fumbles. He gets the ball at the 1.5 step and his decision is made by the 2nd step. No dancing...get the ball and run. The QB steps, HB steps, and aiming points don't change. It's repeated over and over again. Now his O-line had different rules for different situations and based on some word (force, Ace, whatever) there were different rules because the FB was involved.

The guy from Minnasota had some great points, but the one thing I disagreed with was the fact, he said the line never had to communicate. In my opinion thats BS. I don't know everything and I sure don't know more than this guy, but in my slightly less than expert opinion, an O-line needs to communicate, talk, tell the man next to you the play if it means everyone is on the same page. A silent offensive line is a dead offensive line.

Personally (I failed to completely answer the question earlier...I appologize) I think you can get away (if you're a zone believer like myself) with 5 run plays. In/Out Zone, Power, Sweep, Counter, and a play for the fullback (FB Dive, Trap, etc.). If you want to throw in a reverse or read the playside DE with the QB on zone to add some misdirection that's fine too. Just keep it simple.

It's my belief that an offense needs 4 things to be successful:
1. A set of 4-5 run plays that can be ran against any front and can be ran perfectly. If you get beat, it's not because of a missed assignment or improper tech.
2. Varying formations which can support the 4-5 run plays. The system I am using to set a formation requires very little memorization, but gives you a plethora of different sets.
3. Play action passes that can be ran from every run play you run.

Notice, I didn't list a vertyical passing game. If you run the ball successfully, can complete a high percentage of short, play action passes, you will be more likely to sustain drives and drive LB's nuts. Force the defense to play tight and defend the short stuff...then the long stuff can/should be like backyard football. You may be stopped every now and then, but if you connect on 40-50% of your third downs, you'll be successful. This idea also relies on the defense to work (ala Ohio State in 2002). I think you need a verticle game, but being successful on verticle passing routes is a direct relation to being able to gain 4-6 yards on run/playaction pass routes.

Again...all this is my opinion. I don't claim to know everything. Guys like the ones at the clinic know more than I can ever hope to, but I'm just here to help.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 25, 2007, 10:36:28 pm
i am glad you guys have brought up the third step on outside zone. the coach at rutgers has preached the third step as well. i have heard some coaches say "on the fifth step you should know if you can overtake the block." sorry, 5 steps is way too long.

also, i have been looking for info (schemes, clinic talks, tapes, etc) on gibbs and the ol coach at wisconsin. i have come up empty thus far. any advice?

sayer, you sound like you know a lot more than you give yourself credit for. the biggest problems i have come into in offensive theory is this:

a.) passing formations and schemes have nothing to do with the run game (ala, pro-I run game, shotgun wide pass game).
b.) passing game is different and confusing fromt the variety of formations you run the ball out of. for instance, the classic post, dig, drag play is run the same from every formation. this puts the tight end on the drag, or the slot, of the backside slot, or whoever the second receiver in is. it's a great way to confuse otherwise talented players.
c.) going gang busters in terms of run game razzle dazzle, but a boring and non-effective passing game. i mean running triple option, midline, every form of trap (veer/influence/gut/long trap), power, iso, wrap series, inside but no outside zone, speed option, counter trap (but using the guard and tight end to trap in a 50 and tackle and center vs a 40) and the shovel pass. passing includes hitches, crossing routes, and 4 verticals with no screens (head coach didn't like throwing behind the los), no draws (head coach didn't like passive running plays), and the only play action was a counter boot with the fb in the flat and no te crosser (head coach just wanted to hit the fb and not confuse the qb. all other receivers just ran off).
d.) running the option with a qb who can't decide, practicing the trap all week and then calling inside zone 20 times in the game, running inside zone all year with no outside zone. it's ok, the next year they went all outside zone with no inside zone to counter it out.
e.) not demanding the same from the skills and the linemen. "you can't yell at skills, they get their feelings hurt and won't perform." i don't think you should ever let a skill hold you hostage because you don't want to hurt his feelings. not that we are trying to hurt feelings, sayer knows what i am talking about.

i apologize for this rambling tirade, i have experienced things that will forever change how i let somebody dictate the play selection. if it were up to me, i would hammer the two zones ( i have 2 great inside compliments that make iz even better) with some form of power or counter trey (depending on the week). i believe it is far easier to run the zones and get good at them, and for laughs run the ctr trey, power, iso, one back power, sprint draws on a week to week basis with their compliment play actions to keep the defense off-balance. sayer, i would be curious to see what you are working on over there.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 25, 2007, 10:39:44 pm
oh, i forgot about this one. running plays the wrong way and then stating that that's how you want to see it because you don't like it the other way with no further explanation. that sort of pissing match really helps nobody and just shows your ignorance. if you want to run a play somebody else does, just copy it and run it that way. don't change it because you think you are smarter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 25, 2007, 10:48:30 pm
i was never big on communication on the line during run plays.  the only time i would talk on the line (other than Smack) was to call out a blitz on a pass or to screw with the D-line thinking i was calling somehting out.  that assumes you gel as a line.  if you have time togheter you should not have to talk, all you are doing is validating at that point and i never liked doing it because no matter how much you tried to disguise it i always felt i was giving something up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 25, 2007, 11:56:34 pm
I disagree only because of the mentality set forth for me in HS. We were told by our coach that he didn't care if the defense knew the play. He felt that if we were all on the same page and everyone knew their assigment, the defense could know the play and count and still not stop us.  If it took me to say to the guy next to me "We're running trap, you're blocking down on the LB" that's what I did. That's where I also started to develop my theory that there is no such thing as a bad play call, just poor execution. In HS we were expected to run the ball against 8-9 man fronts. Why? We didn't exactly have a QB and playing in our league, everyone ran the ball. It became a pride thing for me and other o-linemn. We carried the mentality that you bring whoever you want, we will still kick your a$$ up and down the field. That didn't always happen. Even in college, Coach Mac told Hamrock to audible whenever he saw certain fronts (8 man, bear, 70, etc.) Finally we simply told him, "Hey, we can block this" and we would call out our blocking. We blocked our sweeps on the run, changed blocking schemes at the line, and were clear about where we were going. Hell, I think Tepee announced one game, "I'm kicking 54's a$$." Again, it was a pride thing. We felt that we were better and the defense could know but wouldn't stop it. I realize life and football doesn't always work that way, but I would rather have my kids get beat because the other guy is stronger, faster, etc. than get beat because of a lack of attitude, technique, or knowledge.

The only explaination I can offer to you VBell is you work on a game plan based on what you've seen the last 2 weeks usually and what happend last year. If you're a Wing T team and are getting films of your opponent against spread and other looks, you have a limited amount of knowledge to base a game plan on. You may start the week of practice by running a lot of power, sweep, counter because that worked great the year before, but once the game starts, it's open on how they will play you. If they run the same BS as the year before, then you'll still run a lot of power. If they change, then you may run zone a lot even though you didn't necessarily practice it. Game plans are a living document like the US constitution. They can be amended, changed, things can be thrown out, etc. Nothing's set in stone. FCC can verify he pist us off once or twice throwing the ball so much inside the 5 yard line. Why? we had a 6'4" WR who caught everything and could jump. Why not. I can finally admit that I am a fan of the fade on the gaol line now...if you have a 6'4" Wr, sticky-good hands, great leap (I tried to rip off the Peyton Manning commercial).

And people run the spread to run the ball. Force players to make plays in space and the spread helps to ID blitzes (from an o-lineman's standpoint). Even in a 5-wide set, the defense needs to account for the Qb who can run depending on where the pocket goes. Every team runs playaction and many times those are the primary pass plays from something such as 0-Deuce Right, 21 personel, I-Right, etc. typical run formations. If you have a valuable TE who can catch...that's even better.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 26, 2007, 12:04:59 am
I'll quote some of the best advice I've ever heard and I've heard it often. Take what you believe in and stick with it. Don't be a jack of all trades. If you're a believer in the run game. PTR and PTR often. If you believe in a spread offense, run the spread. Once you know what you want to run, amend it little by little. If you read an idea from Urban Meyer's notes, steal it and add it into yours. If you see a clinic that shows a way to block the zone which you like better than what you previously did. Change what you did. Amend as you go, but walk the line when it comes to your beliefs and theories. Don't stray. If you do, you will find yourslef at a point where your mind's all scrambled and you don't know what to believe in. As far as me....I think everyone knows what they'll get if I ever get a chance to run an offense:

PTR

http://www.gilmangear.com/store/catalog/inside-zone-p-173.html - that's a link to where you can buy Alex Gibb's videos. He has 2. Inside zone and outside zone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on May 26, 2007, 12:15:34 am
Run it between the 20's and throw it in when they man up.

You just exposed my entire philosophy Sayer.

I though only Mike Dane and Bill Venard knew it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 26, 2007, 08:43:15 am
I'm sorry  :'(

I have wondered though: Are WR given 2 routes in the huddle or do they have the freedom to choose which route to run on the goal line? If the Db has outside leverage, a quick slant is the route of least resistance. If the DB has inside leverage, a fade is the route of least resistance. If the DB is manned up, I guess you'd have to guess as to what the LB's will be doing but regardless, are these options available at the WR's disposal to use based on judgement or are they called?

Signed,
Hustle and Flow like Water
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 26, 2007, 10:43:30 am
sayer, thanks for the info. i just ordered the alex gibbs tapes.

are the outside zone tapes the "west virginia outside zone?" i read an article where the old OL coach at WVU saw what he did, and just stole everybit of it. he liked it and it worked.

i need howard mudd film. that man is very intelligent and has always been a quiet leader in rushing yards and less sacks in the nfl.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on May 26, 2007, 11:56:47 am
I was always just used to everyone knowing the play and audible becuase all the lines i always played on we always were together for years so we all thought the same way.  nothing better than telling the d-line what the play is becuase you are just kicking their tails soo bad to have to tell them what the play is presnap just to make it fair.  the biggest butt kicking ever laid on a d-line was in one of my highschool games where we ran the exact same play 44 dbl Iso 7 plays in a row in a 7 play 80yd TD drive. pre snap we told them the play every time, nothing more demoralizing than that.

talk about 8-9 man fronts. i never learned to pass block till college.  we were dbl tight and ran the triple option and iso out of the Wishbone.  when we did bring a WR into the game it was the Chineese Terror James Lee who was 5'1" slow asian kid. we attempted 10 passes my senior year and 7 of them were halfback passes 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on May 26, 2007, 01:07:02 pm
Howard Mudd has had the luxury of Peyton Manning's connections with regards to offensive linemen.  Is it Mudd teaching the guys so much or is it the fact Manning has the best money can buy when it comes to offensive linemen?

Tarik Glenn is easily one of the four best left tackles in the history of the game, unless you count Derrick Deese.

This has been a point of contention with regard to offensive line communication, and yes the communication may be extra sensory as well as academic and audible.  If you have a left handed quarterback, ala Derrick Deese playing tackle to the front rather than blind side and being a mere 6 foot tall, then the lettering system for the 8 plays changes. 

Praising Glenn not to mention Saturday, who very well could be the second coming of Mike Webster, speaks to the blueprint. 

In actuality, the direct plays of my circumscribed 8 are A, B and C while the misdirection plays are A and C to quarterback handedness and A and B to quarterback offhandedness. 

The whole thing gets thrown in the wash when misdirection is differentiated from inidrect as well as direct, but thats for the Box system, whether it be wishbone or T.  In the alternative, if Curly is benched in favor of Byron, then just determine the handedness of the formation as opposed to the man taking the snap.

Still, any offense is subscribing offensive linemen by prescription.  The Mudd lines are built and designed for the stretch and a quarterback with a good waggle step.  Waggle step not as the wing T term, but the bent 7 step drop of the professionals.

The Colts get dropped in the playoffs without changing their modus operandi.  Mudd's zone was extant in the playoffs.  Saw more runs differentiated as power and offtackle. 

As an addendum, anybody ever played in a 90 series pass pro   with the guards gutting to edge rush and backs filling flank to the center.  That Mudd Line about got Manning killed on the first SB TD trying that protection.  Subscription by prescription.  Still have to dance with the gurl ewe brung.  But this 90 pro was an answer to the 50 and 30 fronts before everybody copied Jimmy Johnson's 40's.  Tell me again, what fronts were beating the Colts the last few years?

The two systems discussed here, 90 guts and stretch waggles have opposing premiums: not giving any quarter versus fleet footedness in line play and vice versa in front seven back play.

Funny enough, while the oneback that Mudd has been employing was invented at Franklin College, the Colts employ very little trap.  It is my understanding the first evolution of the one back run game was popcorn trap up the middle and wagontrain passoffs in the sweep game.  This was the seed thought for my transformer line calls.  Hardly any stretch in this lexicon, but for those finely tuned to Sally, single wing twisting gets very nasty pairing reverse and end around game as integrated in the O.G.  (overgold for those in the know) oneback.

There is discussion to be had with regards to terms of waggle step professional versus wing t Waggle, foot size of the quarterback as tending to loft and four over laces as opposed to index over point when choosing to either blast or trap in the interior run game.

Not just anybody can coach talent, but then again...

What have you done for me lately?

signed,
Inspector Clouseau
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 26, 2007, 02:11:19 pm
Against Wilmington, my junior year, we ran zone right/zone left in a similar situation against 2 DT's that were given All American and All Region credit. It was along the lines of a 10-12 play drive.

Still, our best drive was against Reading HS (home of DeShawn Wynn) my junior year. We got the ball to start the game, went 82 yards in 20 plays and scored on the first play of the 2nd quarter. I don't normally take good pictures, I'm an ugly sumbitch, but in our yearbook that year, there is a pic of me flatbacking a kid from Reading as our fullback ran by. Good times. I love those long drives. Kind of like a drive through the country.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 26, 2007, 03:52:11 pm
i believe that howard mudd was running the one back zone in cleveland during the mid '80s. of course, he had byner and mack, but he did well with injuries and adapting the same plays to the no namers. i also remember them going 4 wide a lot with a draw/trap to mix it up. i still don't understand why they did that, but it was nasty. mudd may be a romanticist of sorts, using the old 90 protections to prove they still work and that you don't have to slide everything. it takes a bit more technique to pass pro man and have the guards check for blitz. mudd does have some talented guys to work with (glenn, saturday, diem, MANNING), but many regard him as one of the best in the business.

funny that you bring up popcorn trap. i think many high schools in indiana used faught's system for many years (many still do!). of course, this made it's way to the high flying offense that leonard used at hanover and the modern day spread. i think it's sort of comical how the run n shoot led to the spread, and now the modern day spread is going back to it's run n shoot roots (urban myer, nevada, bowling green, etc).

we had a drive start on our 1 or 2 yardline. defense brought an all-out blitz. we went split backs, 4 go long with the backside receiver running an under. hit him for a 30something yards gain. ran te screen next followed up with the sweep reverse pass inside the red zone. then we ran iso until teeth bled for the rest of the game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on May 26, 2007, 06:52:43 pm
Only saw one oneback team while playing high school ball in Indiana, Scecina.  When they weren't going up top with a tight-end-esque quarterback one year, they were going around the corner or into any open rush lane with the fastest athlete at quarterback, using the back primarily to keep'em honest and as an extra blocker. 

The rest of the high school teams faced were pretty pure I formation.  Could at one time say played 4 of the state's top five career rushers, save Brett Law.

Victory, in orthodoxy what distinguishes run and shoot from spread?

signed,
Leroy Hoard
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCC Approved Bland Name on May 26, 2007, 09:48:34 pm
ALWAYS run a set route on the goal line and DB's will always have inside leverage.  Slant, Fade, Stop, and Whip (if you're good at it).  Slant is best but only works because you can actually complete a Fade.  WR should be 7 yards from the sideline every split so he doesn't give anything away.  No Speed Outs, Hitches, or Curls.

From the slot run Corner/Slant, Whip/Fade, and Burst/Slant combos.  Burst is my inside slant that is really a clear out for the outside Slant but hits occassionally and should be peeked at by the QB if the matchup looks good.  No Bubble.

..........................or run the G.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 26, 2007, 11:56:24 pm
i don't believe there is anything different from the shoot and the spread. some believe you get better play actions and can play with the defense while the qb is under center, but that is neither here nor there. the point i was trying to make was that the shoot turned into the spread, and the spread has molded into a hybrid of them both. you can run shoot concepts from any offensive set, you don't have to be married to the 2 x 2 or trips sets. you can do the same things with a te and fb. it's all about getting a 3 receiver pattern in some form of easy 1-2-3 read for the qb. granted, a lot of the shoot routes are deeper, but they do offer a good mix of medium and short range passes.

the thing i would love to get my hands on are some of the dan marino offenses he used in shotgun with the fish, and the buffalo version of the spread. both were highly effective.

*on a side note, i believe the state champs the past few years in the hoosier state have used the faught shoot (1A, 2A, lower divisions) while the upper divisions have used the shoot formation with a heavy dose of midline and veer.

on a side note, franklin's defense has been tougher in conference the last few years due to the offensive philosophy change. mixing it up with different personelle groups does help the defense prepare for just about everything. they have been much tougher on defense and i believe this is a huge part of it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 27, 2007, 03:05:28 am
I loved our hand signal for 'G!' Gotta touch the spot :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on May 27, 2007, 12:12:56 pm
Watch this...inspirational. The guy training him is a Deer Park Grad.

http://www.cincyfit.com/wrestling.html
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 27, 2007, 10:49:57 pm
that is absoutly crazy WOW
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 28, 2007, 02:34:13 pm
wow is right
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on May 29, 2007, 12:01:33 pm
Speaking of telling the other team whats coming....

in 1997 we play at Bluffton with 14 players suspended the day before the game...
the first half consisted of Thomas More cramming the ball down the throats of the Beaver defense....we didn't throw a pass in the first half...not a single one.  This was Will Castleberry's breakout game....as a freshman, he ran for 321 yards...we had another guy get 160 yards and I threw for like 50 on 4 attempts. 

Anyways, in the 3rd Quarter.....my TE gets my attention as we are flipping the playside at the line....he's telling the Bluffton guys where the ball is going and who is getting it...laughing his a$$ off.....as I hear it, I started laughing during my cadence and got a false start....he continued for another 10 plays or so....

The Bluffton Coach didn't even realize we had so many players suspended (including the starting QB) until after halftime....they sat back in a base 4-3....I mean how do you NOT know the school record holding QB (#12) is not in the game and a taller guy (#8) is.....that was Carpenter at the end of his run...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 30, 2007, 12:27:14 pm
do you guys like the spring games or summer games that some D3 teams play in? too much to coordinate for coaches, or a truly great experience that can help your team?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 31, 2007, 12:16:27 am
good question, I actually wonder how much the coaches actually have to get it all together.

I can only positives from these games in getting more playing time and experiences.  Younger players getting to fight for plahying time and show case there stuff.  And coaches get a chance to see what they have to work with.

The only bad thing is a guy might have to miss a class or two.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on May 31, 2007, 12:17:50 am
The only bad thing is that it could been as an unfair advantage because other schools can't take advantage of it and it's benifits.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 31, 2007, 10:16:40 am
If Texas Lutheran can go to Mexico and Thiel can go to Canada and take advantage, I'm sure that a HCAC school can go to Canada as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on May 31, 2007, 08:37:49 pm
i agree, but how many schools have the financial resources to do this? most school's have the money earmarked well in advance of an event like this. that is why i asked how much of a logistical nightmare it would be for coaches to fund raise and organize. coaches coach, many of them are out of their element in terms of fundraising.

and yes, i think the football aspect of it would be outstanding for everybody. even better if D3 let every team have spring practice (10 full pads) and one spring game with a non-conference foe. heck, make a 2 year agreement and play one home and away. good way to get in more real practice, and everybody gets better.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on May 31, 2007, 10:51:03 pm
victorybell:

I myself was part of two trips to Europe with the Adrian College Football team.  I did one as a player to Spain which was a great trip to a great country.  I know for this trip Adrian did a large amount of fundraising to defray some of the cost to the students.  They began planning for this about two years in advance and doing the fundraising for the duration.  It was able to drop the cost of the trip which at the time as around 2000.00 down to right around 1000.00.  For the second trip, I went as a coach and went for free, needless to say a much better deal.  We went to Ireland the second time and also did fundraising.  Of course with current events which had taken place and heightened security not to mention the dollars decline to the euro the trip was more expensive.  Despite more fundraising I believe the players paid in the 1500.00 range which is still not bad.  It is a great experience but one that the students pay for out of pocket and through fundraising.  I would imagine the only cost to the school would be insurance as I know that at least through the company we went with that for X amount of players X amount of coaches went free.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 01, 2007, 12:44:53 pm
were there issues that some players couldn't go to not being able to afford it? what problems did you have fundraising? what did you fundraise?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 01, 2007, 10:50:29 pm
victorybell:

Neither year did the whole team go.  It definelty came down to who could afford to lay out the 1000-1500 dollars for the trips.  We did a fundraising event with lifting for one thing to get started and also held some silent auctions.  Using connections with various pro teams as well as the University of Michigan we were able to get alot of good donations to auction off which greatly helped the effort.  For the first trip I was not involved with fundraising short of the lifting, but for the second I had a smaller role in terms of managing some of the auctions.  Needless to say you dont need a full team to beat the europeans, they are not near the level of Division III football yet.  We played two games in spain beating a spanish team 26-0 and a French team by a similar score, I dont recall exactly.  We played on a hand lined field(lined with chalk none the less) in Spain.  the second trip was to Ireland and we won that game against a team of Irish All Stars 53-0 a great experience and wonderful setting hower, I strongly encourage any player who can afford it to make the trip.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on June 02, 2007, 06:17:35 am
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even better if D3 let every team have spring practice (10 full pads) and one spring game with a non-conference foe.


has that ever seriously been discussed at the DIII level? is there a chance something like that could ever happen?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 02, 2007, 02:11:13 pm
I know at MSJ, there would have been a lot of folks who wouldn't have had the money to go, myself included. Honestly, I'd rather have the same opportunity here in the states where I can practice with the same group of guys I'm going to be playing with. Not a back up guard, 3rd string center, starting tackle, etc.

Create an opportunity where your likely starters and backups who will see significant playing time can play together. You'll build more team chemistry that way. Those trips are fun, I'm sure, but does it really do THAT much for your team when you're playing with guys who will never see the field at the same time?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 03, 2007, 01:39:00 am
Adam Sayer:

The practices that we ran at Adrian were not geared towards getting the players who were going overseas to play ready.  In fact they were geard to give our returning players and possible starters for the next season real practice experience.  We were not playing third strong guards in practice and to be honest the practices in Europe were not much.  I can distinctly remember being told by our OC at our first practice in spain that it "smelled like a god damn brewery" in the huddle. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 03, 2007, 09:23:13 am
I can distinctly remember being told by our OC at our first practice in spain that it "smelled like a god damn brewery" in the huddle. 

Ahh spring ball nothing smells better/worse at 6:30am...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 03, 2007, 06:48:49 pm
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even better if D3 let every team have spring practice (10 full pads) and one spring game with a non-conference foe.


has that ever seriously been discussed at the DIII level? is there a chance something like that could ever happen?


I would say there's no chance that could happen, not as described. Not even D-I plays a game against outside competition.

If Division III splits into III and IV then there's a chance the III teams might choose to allow practices in pads. But that in and of itself is a long shot. Remember the current Division III spring practice we have was not an overly popular decision. The fact that many conferences water down spring practice even further should be an indication that it isn't likely to get expanded in the current membership setup.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 03, 2007, 08:18:34 pm
i understand that the mission of D3 is to have a great experience with the players who are not on scholarship and all of that stuff. however, i think most players would really enjoy the 10 practices (i just said 10 because more than 10 could get overboard for a spring game. you could obviously have 2-3 practices in helmets or whatever. you could probably do the whole spring in pro pads) knowing they will get a chance to earn a starting spot against an outside opponent. i don't think this will ever happen, but it would be fun to see Franklin play a spring game against maybe a wooster, capital, adrian, mount union, etc. nothing too far away, and it would be a great way to drum up interest for the upcoming season. and remembering back to your playing days, 4 months straight of lifting and running can become mentally challenging. this would be a nice way to break it up. i know when franklin was naia under coach faught, they used to have spring practices. granted, under coach faught, it was more of a 7 on 7 scrimmage. the players had fun i am sure.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 05, 2007, 10:33:44 am
sayer, the alex gibbs tapes have arrived. thanks for the info on that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 06, 2007, 09:06:55 am
Sayer, wasn't MSJ supposed to toake a trip like that to Italy or something.  Because I can remmeber that a whole bunch of guys worked down at Paul Brown Stadium during Bengals game doing secruity and stuff.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 06, 2007, 10:39:40 am
Our whole team was supposed to work at the Bengals game, but about half took off the bright yellow shirt and sat in the seats...can't say I blame them :) But yeah, we were planning for a trip to Italy, but the 9/11 bombings and continued threat of a terrorist threat side tracked it.

Macke...how is the job search? I met yesterday with Lakota East's head wrestling and football coaches and Sycamore's head wrestling coach. Both have teaching positions available for me and I have an interview at Sycamore today at 1:30.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 07, 2007, 12:31:04 pm
funny stuff again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3o6H0b4kZc
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 08, 2007, 02:36:12 pm
I had my 2nd interview at Sycamore this morning. The lady I met with today is a good lookin woman...but had a monster ring on her finger. Anyway, he talked a lot about how the school day works, bell schedule, after school programs, etc. Hope it's a insight to the very near future.

Macke, you gonna be at Katie's 21st?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 08, 2007, 02:38:00 pm
VBell, how are those tapes?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 09, 2007, 12:27:01 pm
the outside zone tape is the best i have seen. he is very very good at explaining whey and how they do things. i have seen the many mistakes people make with it and he is fanatical about not doing those.

the inside zone tape is good for hearing coach speak, but not so much on the inside zone. if you have any info on inside zone, that would be great. the only things i have seen on the inside zone deal with a million different calls and how the lb's are numbered and it sucks. it takes the fun away from the simple play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 09, 2007, 06:25:03 pm
Inside zone is all about aiming points for the OL blocks and running where you either have an advantage or where you have an equal number. A lot of communication and rules are required, but in Alex Gibbs' mind, you teach zone and nothing but due to all the rules and the amount of time required to implememnt everything.

On the front page of D3, there's an article about Wartburg in Germany. I had inquired last season about playing overseas in either Italy or the GFL (German Football League). I had contacted the coach for the Munich team (that's where the Hoffbrauhaus is) and we exchanged emails but it came down to Adam not really wanting to live in Germany for that extended of a time and not making a decent dollar. The same with the Italian League, Gladiatori Roma where some of the Semi-Pro guys played. I would suggest it to anyone who may want to continue playing who doesn't need a career right after college.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 10, 2007, 05:13:54 pm
The inside zone is a great scheme and can work wonders.  It is definelty key about aim points as well as it is learning and understanding your steps and placement with your zone partner.  I was the Oline coach for Adrian last season and was the assistant oline coach the previous two years.  You can keep the system quite simple, some teams choose to make it more complicated than need be.  When I was playing at Adrian we ran zone all day long along with some complimentary counters and powers, it was a very effective run game and we actually had the single season rushing leader in adrian history from my junior year.  Let me see if I can dig up some of my old notes and what not out of my storage unit and I can get some more on here.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 10, 2007, 05:15:36 pm
Adam Sayer:

I take it you attended the Cool Mushroom clinic down in cincinnati?  I was there last year it was a great clinic, I only ask this because you say you are proud to be a mushroom.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 10, 2007, 10:14:30 pm
Yes I did. Wonderful clinic and I learned a lot about the zone scheme, inside and out. I'll probably attend again next year and though I didn't really have the money to go, it was the best $70 I spent. I'd like to attend a bunch more when I get a teaching job (praying for the Sycamore thing to work out).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 10, 2007, 10:16:22 pm
Just call me Adam or by my last name. It's weird for me. I'm still getting used to the kids I teach calling me Mr. Sayer.

Dig that stuff out, we need some fresh discussion material.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 11, 2007, 12:33:10 pm
Sayer:

I plan on being there unless something else I made a commitment to something else.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 11, 2007, 01:27:45 pm
the one theory i have heard on zone is that you need some big boys up front. the other theory i have heard is that you can have smaller guys due to the double teams. two guys tha tweigh 250=500 and can move a 2 technique.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 11, 2007, 04:48:11 pm
When I was a player at Adrian we had great success with some big guys that could move, our lightest OL was about 255,other than that we were 300, 290, 295 and about 280.  The key I think with the big guys is if they can move, that is the key in zone schemes, you cant have a 320 pounder that is not agile.  When you can combine the two, you will see great results.  We have also had some success with smaller lineman once I began coaching, we had an OL then with two interior players who were both about 250, but very short, both about 5'9.  Obviously playing a man scheme with lineman like that would have exposed them when we asked them to block a one technique or a shade, but by using the zone and the covered uncovered concept we were able to take care of most problems.  Again, I need to get into my storage unit, I forgot to pay the bill on time so there is a seperate lock on it and I will get my notes and scheme concepts out. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 11, 2007, 05:20:48 pm
Our O-line at MSJ my senior year:
LT - 6'4" - 285
LG - 6'2" - 260
C - 6'0" - 240
RG - 5'11" - 275 (this would be me)
RT - 6'4" - 245

Against Franklin our LG was injured (broken collar bone) and we moved our center to LG and brought in our back up center who was 5'11" 190. I injured my ankle during the 2nd quarter and the guard who came in for me was 5'10" 215. We were never big. During the 4 years I was at MSJ our heaviest starting O-lineman was never over 285 pounds.

That year we finished with just under 2,000 yards rushing and our primary run was the zone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 11, 2007, 05:35:16 pm
The afformentioned 295 was me.  Playing center at that big and actually being faster and quicker as well as stronger than when I came gave us a big boost.  Obviously center is usually one of the smaller positions as it can be hidden by the two guards.  We also at Adrian were the first school in our area, or that I really remember seeing making a habit out of pulling the center.  Sounds like im tooting my horn, but from a coaching prespective, it creates great matchups and is usually unexpected as most LB's read guards.  IT also gave good options for down blocks with ones, shades and tilts(which we saw from Defiance).

Like I said though, bigger isnt always better and we had some very large lineman who were not great zone blockers.  I think the premium position for recruiting at DIII is the Oline as I know from the past three years of recruiting that it seems any of the lineman who have size and any ability get snatched up by the DII's, at least that seems to be the case in michigan.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 12, 2007, 06:29:36 pm
didn't adrian run a lot of zone off some crazy motions a few years back? that michigan league has to be have a lot parody in it with high flying spread teams, and some teams that are grinders.

has anybody seen the water test where they come to your house and test all your water compared to regular water and show you how bad it is? then you can finance a water purifier that sits in your yard for 6k? i just had to make this guy leave. i don't have 6k to spend on a purifier when i have 6k in other things that i can do just as quickly. i would rather buy 6k in porno than on water. that guy on man vs. wild drinks water squeezed from elephant dung and he is ok, i think i'll be fine drinking tap water. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 12, 2007, 06:32:11 pm
yes, we ran alot of stuff off of jet motion with great success.  My senior year, we ran a 8 minute opening drive against Franklin using two plays, one the jet sweep and the other was jet motion with an izzy.  It was a great drive, we ended up fumbling so we didnt even score, but we did win 48-10 or 13 I cant remember.  I have my old jet series stuff as well if theres any interest in that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 12, 2007, 08:20:15 pm

From an offensive linemen stands point, what foot work/steeps should be used to block the zone up front.  I hear everything from tacking a big reach step, 45 degree angel step and running on the train tracks, and then using a combo block.

Sayer what do you thing works best?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 12, 2007, 08:25:39 pm
Are you talking inside or outside?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 13, 2007, 01:49:22 am
inside, RB is reading the inside check of the gaurd
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 13, 2007, 02:16:51 am
On the inside zone the way we ran it adrian we took a very short almost gap step.  If it was a zone scheme between the center and right guard on a 1 technique it would work as follows.  Lets say we are working against a 4-3 defense and we have a tightend lined up to the formation(right).  we would have 3 double teams out of this formation working stacks to the LB's.  The stack we are concentrating on here is the 1 technique and the middle linebacker.  We preached the rule of covered uncovered in this case, the guard is covered and center is uncovered.  Our right guards first step would be with his right foot which is almost a pick it up and put it down step and at the same time our center would be stepping with the right foot as well.  We take the pick it up and put it down step to prevent being beat across our face even though the power for the block will be coming from our back step.  The second step from our right guard would be from his left foot and the aim would be to drive his knee, hips and forearm (we called it a flipper) through the 1 techniques outside shoulder.We rip through with the left arm of the guard so that we can straighten the 1 technique out and give the center a better chance to take over and drive.  Our landmarks on this play for both lineman are the outside number to the shoulder that is where the center and guard are both aiming.  We rip through with the left arm of the guard so that we can straighten the 1 technique out and give the center a better chance to take over and drive.  At this point the center has also stepped in the same manner(no forearm rip) and is now working half the body of the 1 technique.  At this point the key to the block is keeping hip to hip and butt to butt, not allowing a seam for the tackle to split the double team.  We then have both lineman keep their eyes focused on the LB and the RB is responsible for setting up the block on the second level.  If the LB flows to the offenses right, the right guard scrapes off and the center takes the block over and vis versa.  I hope that offers some insight and makes sesne, its the first time I have type it out on a forum to explain.  Sayer and all others, let me know if you can offer any critique on this. 

The other two combos consist of the same blocking scheme and steps between our TE and RT working from the RE to the ROLB and the LG and LT working their stack from the 3 technique  to the backside LB.  Our QB was responsible for holding the DE as he had the option of if the DE closed down the line hard to keep the ball on an option and run around the end which was a suprisingly effective way of eliminating the end by making him respect the QB run as a possiblity, we also saw some long runs out of QB's that werent exactly fleet a foot.  The aim of the zone for us was to press the cheek of the right guard so that we could develop a cut back line where we would have everyone covered, it worked for us quite well even when we didnt have the best lineman.  Like I said let me know if this makes sense and im interested to hear how other teams run it as well. 

As a further note for the above scheme the pick it up put it down step also gives us the ability to adjust to movement from the front 4.  If we were to take an aggresive 45 degree step our right guard would find himself out of position on a twist or games between the DE and DT.  By taking that pick up put down step, we have time to react so that if our landmark(number to shoulder) dissapears we proceed up through our progression and take the next man to enter our zone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 13, 2007, 08:22:39 am
You may have made a mistake IDing linemen. If your strength is right, wouldn't the LG and Center be working the 1-tech/MBL stack? You started off by explaining the blocking scheme as such but then said the RG and Center. The RG and RT would be working the 3-Tech/SLB stack in a traditional 4-3 with TE right.

That's pretty much the gist of what I would say. I'll add some later but gotta work out and run.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 13, 2007, 08:45:38 am
i have an interest in your stuff, email me at victorybell_57@yahoo.com

inside zone involves reading the first down man past the center. you generally take a track to the inside butt of the pst tackle. if there is color in the gap you cut back. if there is no color, honk it up in there. double teams and numbering lb's still escapes me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 13, 2007, 10:57:52 am
Sayer:

You are right, I did make a mistake in labeling. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 13, 2007, 12:44:24 pm
thank you for your insight fellas
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 13, 2007, 03:26:18 pm
Given the following formation, running inside zone (Right) vs a 4-3 defense:

                    W            M            S
                     E         N         T          E
                      LT   LG   C   RG   RT   Y

First on the zone, I am a supporter of a drop step. I can see why some people wouldn't, but we dropped at MSJ so I am accustomed to it and like it. If you do not want to drop step, I suggest you get your OL an extra 6-8 inches off the ball.

LT: Drop step with right foot and work at an appropriate angle to the Will. If the DE crosses the LT's face, he has to take him...otherwise, don't touch the DE. You don't need to block the DE because either a fullback is blocking him, the quarterback's after handoff motion takes him, or both.

LG: Drop step with right foot and your aiming point on the Nose is the inside of his outside number. The LG will get help from the Center but it will only be a chip. After the Center leaves, the LG needs to take over and drive block.

Center: SHORT drop step with right foot and hip back into the Nose. Work to Mike.

The RG and RT do pretty much the same thing as the LG and Center with the 3-tech and Sam, but the RT can stay on the 3-tech longer with his chip due to where the play is being ran.

To take over the block (this is how I did it) the LG should post his right hand on the inside number (where it should be when contact is initially made) and extend his right arm.  At the same time work to fight left arm across the Nose's body and use the left arm almost like a flipper.

Similar to ADAWG, we focused on blocking stacks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 13, 2007, 03:51:25 pm
are you sure you want to work the pst tackle against the zone? seems to me that you would want him stepping playside and zoning up to the sam, working with the te. rg should have that dt by himself, unless the 3t slants inside. and all of this is determined off of a shade/2technique backside. you want your center zoning to the right unless that left guard needs help. i know msj has been pretty good at running zone, so i won't argue. i'm just saying from my experience i've seen it more often with the way i have explained.

drops steps are good, if you can do them. it all goes back to what your guys can do. if not, then yes. i agree to get them off the ball.

one zone change-up i like a lot, is when you solid the bst on the de, and zone everybody else to the te. then your fb and tackle exchange responsibilities. fb blocks will, left guard to te zone right. rb gets handoff deep, takes two steps to the right, and cuts back off the flow now. great way to play with the lb's.

i like the zone a lot, i do. i also love running power schemes off of the zone/iso/counter action. most people call it one back power. you can run it vs the 3t side. Y always has de and blocks him out. double off the 3t to mike. block center back, pull left guard around for same. great pop for a one back team, or just getting a fb the ball, or getting the fb out of the picture. in gun you would probably have the back use a counter path in the backfield.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 13, 2007, 06:01:32 pm
The nice thing at MSJ was majority of us were free to make that call. We were shown the way I explained above, but there were many times (I being a RG) that I told my RT not to worry about chipping. 

Don't confuse me with combo blocking. Chipping as I am explaining is not much more than help by positioning. The Center in this case hips back into the Nose to slow his momentum because penetration by him will cause some problems. Once contact is made between the Center and Nose, the Center moves on to the Mike. The Center doesn't stay with the LG for the whole block.

As far as the RG and RT, the 'longer' chip is merely an extra step by the tackle and is meant to slow the 3 tech's momentum and help the RG get a little extra push. It's a little more power at the point of attack. Again, the RT won't stay with the RG for the whole block. The Chips are split second and then you're off to the 2nd level.

At the Clinic Rutgers' O-line coach explained that his guys 'chip'. They showed it a little differently as far as footwork goes, but they did use it.

And I think this worked well for us because we were undersized, but rather quick for an O-line. The chip helped some of our smaller guys get movement and our speed allowed us to take that extra step and still get up to the LB's. Remember, our center my senior year was only 240. We played against some 280, 290+ pound Noses and DT's.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 14, 2007, 10:46:26 am
i get what you are saying. i just don't know why you would have the right tackle work with the guard if the sam is over the tackle or te area the way your drawing says. if he stacked, then yes, but he wasn't stacked there. like i said, you guys were good at running zone and i am not arguing how you guys did it.
you guys led the hcac in rushing a few times if i am correct, and had some good rb's. if you guys had a qb with some juice in his arm, you guys probably would have done some damage in the playoffs, from an outsider's perspective.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 14, 2007, 11:25:59 am
What your explaining would work too. Like I said, we had the option of making that call and there were many times where Tepee (our RT) would zone stright to the Sam. I was good enough to take the 3 tech and Tepee was good enough to do whatever he wanted. Use what your guys can do. If your RG is struggling with the 3 tech or is a little undersized, chipping is a good option to help him out. If he's a pretty good OL and genuinely doesn't have trouble, don't. But as aiming points go, the LG is looking for the inside of the outside number and the RG is aiming for the outisde of the inside number. The RG does have an easier drive block because where the play hits, the DT fighting back inside to make the play will set himself up to be driven.

When Bresnahan spoke about Thruman Thomas running the ball, he simply said he didn't want to see a defender. It didn't necessarily matter where the OL was positioned on the defenders, as long as there was a body on a body.

Something that I am considering experimenting with, once I get a chance, is crab or scramble blocking  on the outside zone. There's nothing defenders hate more than someone always on their knees. I should know. I cut anytime I could and sometimes when I shouldn't have.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 14, 2007, 11:33:56 am
I do not like to block the bsDE though. I think it's necessary for play action that the fullback takes him or you freeze him by booting the QB backside (which I would do every zone run even if you have single back sets). It also sets up the QB taking the ball himself. If that bsDE starts crashing, simply giving the QB a code word such as 'Snoopy' tells him to fake the zone and boot out and run it backside. Works great.

Don't know if any of you are golf fans, but so far in the first day, there have been some great shots at the US Open and Tiger is struggling...currently hitting the ball from the beach.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 14, 2007, 11:39:48 am
v-bell: thats a nice perspective to have
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 14, 2007, 11:44:48 am
For my high school guys, especially since we see a lot of 50 fronts, is having the guys combo to the lb's and really get the D-line men moving backwards and getting into the LB's way.

Sayer, crab blocking is very effiencent when you have D-Linemen who don't use their hands well.  For me, crab blocking didn't fair against me because I had good hands and wouldn't let you fat linemen into my body.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 14, 2007, 02:14:04 pm
Blah, Blah, Blah....just be good at Pass Pro and let us QB's win the games....


Gunslinger..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 14, 2007, 02:43:47 pm
Passpro is a whole nother can of worms, with many intracices and steps.  Its alot more complicated than the layperson thinks.   Its more of an art form.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 14, 2007, 02:46:15 pm
Just like TMC in 1999. I hear their QB was very concussed at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 14, 2007, 02:53:33 pm
crab on the backside of outside zone. actually, just cut everybody and keep them down. it works and it's effective. your boy alex gibbs loves that stuff.

for all i know the qb at msj was john elway, i didn't see them very much. just saying they were perceived as a running team with wellendorf catching some passes. i still think those teams were some of the best in the midwest. it went hanover for years, msj, and i am hoping fc here this season. hopefully, whoever it is, can win a playoff game and get this thing going.

does adrian slide or use b.o.b?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 14, 2007, 09:09:41 pm
We use both, along with several other schemes.  Nothing overly complicated, Ill post more on them in a bit.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 14, 2007, 11:12:47 pm
Before I post my pass pro stuff, I will add one thing on outside zone.  Many teams cut, or crab block the back side.  We did it a bit differently.  Our idea on the outside zone was that it was hitting from the playside guard out, it was never designed as a cut back to the back side.  As a result of this we practiced our outside zone steps with the back side(bucket drop step to 45 degree angle and continue on that track).   However once our lineman establish their 45 degree track they proceed, if a DL comes across the face they stay with him forever and always however if they backdoor the play we released them and let them try to run our backs down(not a good proposition for 99% of DL).  THe backside tackle was actually what we reffered to as the TD block, it was his assignment to get to the third level and get rid of the safety who would be the touch down saver on this play.  In a game my junior year our TE was assigned to this and whiffed on the block end result a 40yd gain instead of a touchdown and a toungelashing in film.  Thats just how we ran it at adrian.  Pass pro stuff in the next post.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on June 14, 2007, 11:23:55 pm
This is from my OL notebook which I made for all of my OL.  It covers everything from the ground up, literally from the 2 point stance, film breakdown sheets(for the player) all the way through the pass pro which Im posting.  If anyone is interested in the other stuff, let me know.

Pass Protection

Pass protection is the offensive lineman’s greatest challenge.  It is a skill that requires patience and individual concentration, combined with total effort.  Good pass protection is key to offensive confidence and success, from a technical standpoint is the most difficult of any technique to master.  Perfection can be achieved by any lineman who has reasonable physical ability, pride, desire and exerts effort to be the best.  Pass protection should allow you to be physical, you should strive to pass protect with controlled aggression.  Being passive is not allowed.  You will be held accountable for your performance and your goal should be nothing less than a “protection shutout”

Areas of Focus
-   No Mental Busts!
-   No Penalties!
-   No Sacks!
-   No Pressures or Knockdowns!
-   No Batted or Deflected Balls!


The Ten Commandments of Pass Protection

1.   Know your assignment, split and alignment.
2.   Know your QB set-up point on each protection.
3.   Know your sets and technique vs. all alignments.
4.   Never miss a line call.
5.   Set quickly and strong.  Make your stand at the L.O.S.
6.   Do not allow inside penetration.  Never get beaten inside on man protection.
7.   Never take an outside fake.  Always respect an inside fake and anticipate the rushers second move and counter accordingly.
8.   Shuffle for positioning.  Always keep one foot on the ground!  Do not cross your feet, keep your base; maintain a slightly inside out position on the defender.
9.   Finish your job; keep the rusher away from the QB.  No knockdown, loafers don’t last long.
10.   Refuse to be beaten!!

Pass Protection Fundamentals

Tempo:
-   Set up in one motion
-   Set on the move
-   Base your set on the defenders alignment
-   Dictate attitude and establish your position on the man.
-   Set with speed and quickness.
-   Beat the rusher to the set up-spot.
-   Prevent oversetting in slide and man protection

Target:
-   Get your head and eyes on the target.
-   Sight adjust the landmark to give you leverage.
-   Anticipate the initial and second move.
-   Concentrate, look at a small target and watch it in.
-   Maintain your position on the rusher.
-   Your eyes lead your body, aim small, miss small.
-   Proper targets allow you to keep a relative position between the rusher and the QB.
-   Honor inside moves, dishonor outside fakes.

Footwork:
-   Coordinate your hands and feet; carry your feet under your hips, your hips are tied to your knees.
-   Keep your center of gravity down.
-   Be an athlete and a knee bender.
-   Keep a wide base and maintain balance and body control.
-   Give ground grudgingly.
-   Have a foot pressure demeanor in order to redirect.
-   Cover the rusher up, nose to nose, toes to toes.

Punch:
-   Develop a decisive punch
-   Stop the initial charge
-   Deliver your hands under and up for a leverage lock-out, do not punch high.
-   Strike your punch on the move as close to the L.O.S. as possible.
-   Force the rusher to restart, redirect and re-seperate.
-   Create separation by restarting, refitting and re-sinking to get back to balance.
-   Don’t come off your legs on contact; keep leverage in your legs with your shoulders square.
-   Snap your wrists and elbows.
-   Patience and timing are key, you must develop poise.  Don’t jump the gun.
-   Snap a punch and lockout.

Finish:
-   “IT AINT OVER TILL ITS OVER” Don’t cut anyone loose.  Help VIOLENTLY.  Scan or finish a rusher as far away from QB as possible.  Compete and fight your ass off.
-   Maintain a reactive position for the interval.
-   Follow; do not put your arms or hands out.


Pass Protection Schemes


Lorena (B.O.B.):

The Lorena or Big on Big blocking scheme is our basic protection for our 5 step drop passing series. 
In this protection each lineman is responsible for the man over him, with the uncovered man or men becoming an option blocker and looking to decisively help out on hard charging lineman.  It is the job of the center or option blocker to step to the side that needs the most help and keep his eyes on LB’s looking out for any blitzes and or stunts.  This scheme works only as well as each individual, you cannot be beat.  No inside penetrations are allowed, as the inside is the shortest route to the QB. 
Tackles are responsible for keeping the width of the pocket while giving up as much ground as needed.  It is imperative that the DE’s be forced outside of the QB to open throwing lanes and to prevent deflected passes.  Guards and centers have the responsibility of keeping the depth of the pocket.  The intention upfront should be to give each inch grudgingly no one gets anything easy.  It is again important to prevent inside rushes so as to keep lanes open, guards and the center must also work hard to identify stunts and interior blitzes while keeping the defensive lines hands down.

Ramrod:

The Ramrod protection scheme is designed for our 3 step drop and quick’s passing game. 
In this protection each lineman is responsible for the man in front of them as well as the gap to their inside.  If you are going to be beat in our Ramrod protection make them beat you outside as that is the longest route to the QB.
The intention by all linemen in the Ramrod protection is to take an aggressive step toward the line of scrimmage to prevent the defensive lineman from getting their hands up.  The step out must be aggressive and controlled as you cannot lose balance and give up your inside lane.  All of the lineman should be stepping down hard to prevent the inside rushes.  Outside blitzes are not adjusted for as the QB should be reading hot. 
Keeping the lineman’s hands down is key in this series as the quick pass will not come out with the same loft and trajectory as our 5 step series thus is more susceptible to being batted at the line. 

Boot / Waggle:

The boot and waggle protection schemes are designed for use on our boot and waggle plays.
In this protection the uncovered lineman will responsible for pulling and sealing the corner for our QB.  All other lineman will be a in big on big blocking with the center looking to help on the guards emptied gap.
On our boot protection the Guard will be pulling away from the original strength of the formation.  On our waggle series the guard will pull to the original strength of the formation.   
The guard will pull while looking right off the tackles hip, if he sees no pressure coming he will widen and look for an outside blitz, if at that point no outside rush is evident he will peel back and look for weak side pressure.   

Roll Out:

Roll out protection is designed to be used as its name indicates, on our rollout series of passing plays. 
The offensive linemen on rollout protection will work to move the pocket to the direction of the call.  Our calls will be made using verbal signals.  IF the pocket is sliding to our right then our offensive line in unison will take a gap step with their right foot to cover the gap to their right at which point they will shuffle slide out to the right making the defense engage them.  The play side tackle will take an aggressive set on the DE looking to take him on one in case we have an outside blitz and the RB cannot help. 
The backside three linemen (Center, Guard and Tackle) are responsible for sealing the backside of the line.  They will do so by taking their gap step along with a short shuffle slide and then hinging as to create a moving wall along the backside of the play. 

Play Action:

Our play action protection is a more aggressive style of big on big protection.  When using this scheme we will be looking to sell the run and then protect for the pass.  This will be accomplished by taking a hard step towards the defensive linemen to sell them and the LB’s that it will be a run.  From this point the offensive lineman will then retreat back into his normal more passive style of pass protection.  Selling the run on the first step is key, but following our B.O.B. rules after the first step becomes the number one priority.


Protection Adjustments

Fan:

Fan protection will be used when we have an imminent threat of an outside blitz and the backside of the play is secure.  In fan protection our Center, Guard and Tackle will operate as a unit.  The center will become responsible for the call side DT, the guard will become responsible for the call side DE and the tackle will take responsibility for the Jet blitz.  All three linemen will slide out and fan to block the Jet.

Back Help:

Back help will be provided on certain passing plays out of formations where have a man in the backfield.  The back will make a call based upon the strength of the defensive front he will do so by counting the number of men on either side of the center.  The side with more men will become the help side.  The help will be indicated with a number call, odd numbers for left side help, even numbers for right side help and a zero call will indicate there will be no back help at all.
We will also receive help from the Y or FB when they are on the line as well.  It is up to the offensive line to know when the Y or FB will be releasing into a pattern and when he will be staying home to help protect. 

Max Protection:

Max protection is exactly what it says; we will keep the maximum number of blockers in to help in our protection.  This is a seldom used protection as we would much rather release and read our hot routes.  In max protection both our RB and our Y will stay in to help.  This scheme will use the same techniques as our big on big series; however outside rushes will be less dangerous as that is where our help will be.

Other Keys:

Pass Rushing Strength:

Know the strength of the rush, always identify best pass rusher as well as which side is overloaded.  Know what they want to do and when they want to do it!

Set Up Points:

Make a conscious effort to know the quarterbacks setup point.  It becomes much easier to block for someone when you know where they are going to be.  This is your responsibility, learn the play not just your assignment.   



***As a side note I do not like slide protection and fought not to use it, we used to for one game this last season with negative results.  It was forced in by our WR coach who has become the OC.  The reasons is the same reason that Penn States DL coach loves it.  It creates real problems on the backside of the protection the way that it is taught.  Most programs will have all the lineman slide to the strength call this creates a sever problem with the backside DE.  If the DE takes a hard rush upfield it puts the OT in terrible position to recover as he will have to turn his hips and break rules of pass pro by creating lanes.  Even if you have an RB coming over to pick up the corner this puts you in a bind of having an RB blocking a DE, if the DE is worth his salt he wins 9 out of 10 times.  Our current OC taught that the OT was to ignore the end on his slide step which again even if he takes a step down the line to squeeze and then pursues upfield, he will have an edge on the OT and create seams by breaking the line to recover.  However, I would like to hear how other programs run the protection as I am convinced that our OC always had "the best way" to do everything.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 15, 2007, 09:33:56 am
slide protection is great for a number of reasons. i am not sure what you mean by the backside de causing problems. i see slide pro as a slide side, and a man side. depending on what you do with you rb, there are different rules for running a slide.

basic version under center with rb in. center on back slides, taking a-b-c gaps. it's not always an a,b,c slide though depending on the pressure. sometimes it can be a a/c/d slide. basically, you are sliding to your gap/landmark. if you have your help hand inside you can sift slanters off to the next lineman with your eyes still on your outside gap to pick up pressure. if nobody shows, violently slam back inside to help. ala you slide to the zone drop side, etc. the slide side pops their shoulders at the same angle and takes their slide steps. should be 3 guys working as a wall to protect. if you use a blitz pick-up period each day for 10 minutes, you can start to see how this stuff sifts it way out. the line calls are much easier to read/call and use. a lot of teams use the tackles to make these calls because they can see the edge pressure and communicate this so the guard and center know edge pressure is coming and they'll probably trade guys off. for example, will off the edge, de slant to guard, dt slant to center. 3 for 3.

man side, or "backside" of the slide. teams use different calls to call out what slide it is, 3 man, 4 man, or 5 man slide. i have always heard that your manside guard sets on #1 (zero, shade, 2, 3t, etc.) and the tackle has number 2 (99% of the time it's the de). tackle on the man side has to vertical set so he doesn't get caught up in the slant, drops, etc.

most teams slide with center taking a gap, and rb protects playside a-gap to outside threats. this is the simplest way and doesn't involve rule teaching.

there are different rules for sliding to shade and 4 man pressures though, too much to type. i have seen slide pick up some outrageous blitzes that OL never would have picked up in a man scheme. it's really easy to sort the junk out and pick up the proper guys in slide. the way defenses are running so many zone fires, slide is def the way to go for all of your 5 step drops.

most teams you see on tv use slide protection in some fashion, and depending on the front, you can have 3-4 linemen working as a wall to protect the qb. i would recommend calling any DI ol coach and asking for the finer coaching points in the slide. once you know it more, you'll like it much more than man schemes. you can email me if you want to know more about it.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 16, 2007, 11:54:29 am
on a side note, would the MLB benefit from having more teams in playoff play? i had a discussion about this yesterday and i said yes because then the fans would still be interested late in the season if their team wasn't in first or second place. i was trumped out by traditional baseball fans though.

personally, i think the batting team should be allowed to place one guy in the field to "disrupt" the defense and take people out. the game would be fun to watch and you would see some nasty hits.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 18, 2007, 11:06:44 am
I like slide protection, but to protect like it's drawn up takes discipline...especially for younger players who don't get the idea of blocking a gap, not a man. It's like convincing a kid that 2+2=5. I played semi-pro with guys who didn't get slide protection. Some of these guys had college experience.

ADAWG does have a point that the back on the DE is a mismatch. What I would prefer, at the college level, is the back cut the DE (Obviously you can't do this in HS which is BS). Even if the DE is a great athlete and has good hands, the cut will slow him down and give the QB an extra second to throw. It will also slow the DE's rush. If he's expecting to be cut blocked, he'll slow up so he can avoid his knees getting taken out. I'm not 100%, but I think the backs at MSJ were taught to cut the DE.

Other ways to use slide (Both of these will help control the backside DE):
1. Use it for your quick game
2. Roll the QB to the slide side

If a defense does have a DE who rushes hard upfield, there's ways you can slow his rush with runs. Use his aggressiveness to your advantage. Options, Shovels, Screens, Draws...all ways to slow the backside DE.

Macke...you know damn well I'd cut the hell out of you. Wanna know why...Cause I cheat. I grab shoes, shoe laces, roll. In wrestling there's a move called a low single and a low single is where you shoot/dive in and put your shoulder on their shin and hands on their heel. Drive into their shin with your shoulder while you pick up the heel. It hurts like hell and is impossible to stay on your feet. Whenever I cut someone with good hands on the DL, I would do this. Not as pretty as in wrestling, but it still worked. Technically it's holding, but I was only called for holding once while I was cutting someone and odly enough, I wasn't holding that time.

Then again, give me an O-linemen who doesn't cheat and I'll give you a million dollars. We all cheat. But the best 'Cheating' I ever heard was the Donkey Punch. It's not what you think.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 18, 2007, 11:09:26 am
Dawg...i am with you any time you have to depend on a runnign back to block a DE you are in deep crap.  no offense to you skinny folks, but if an RB was tough and could block they would be playing on the line.  they get paid to run fast not stop 275 men.  i actually used to hate when they would try to help out and bump on the outside.  half the time they hit me not the DE (had a face mask bruise on my Tri for half a season my Sophmore year).  if they actually hit the DE they bumped the outside gving them momentum to the inside.  i finally told them to never hit my guy unless i already got my ass kicked.

loved the rest of the info on PAss Pro.  toughest job in football, yet the easiest to master with just a little discipline.  it is the biggest difference between a Frosh and a Sophmore in camp doing the little thing in pass pro.  you see more egos get smoked during the first day of one on one.

whatever happened to Tim Moore?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 18, 2007, 11:14:00 am
Sayer it should be outlawed to get called for holding while cutting, homw can a ref actually see???  we were taught the leg whip.  similar to what you describe with the shoulder through the opposite shin then once you make conact you roll into them and try to buckle the opposite knee.  devistatingly effectve becuase even if you miss time the cut and the try to jump you, your leg will take them out while spinnng.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 18, 2007, 11:39:24 am
I do agree that baseball would be more enjoyable if there were more teams able to compete in the post season. In baseball there are many, many times when teams win 90+ games and miss the playoffs. The Reds in 1999. Went 94-68 and had to play a play-in game...which they lost to Al Leiter and the Mets, 4-0.  I think you give the 3 division Champs an automatic spot, and add the next best teams based on their W-L record. If the season ended now, the 6 teams from the National League would be:

1. San Diego Padres (40-28) vs Bye
4. NY Mets (37-30) vs 5. Milwaukee Brewers (38-31)
3. LA Dodgers (39-30) vs 6. Atlanta Braves (37-33)
2. Arizona Diamondbacks (40-30) vs Bye

Wild Card - Best of 5
Divisional - Best of 5
Championship - Best of 7
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 18, 2007, 11:43:35 am
We were taught that too, but in a different sense. When we had to log a DE, one technique we were shown (I never did...too much work) was to put your helmet in the DE's crotch and your shoulder on their thigh and whip your body and legs agound and roll up on the back of their legs. Watching our O-line coach do it...was better than half the stuff posted on Youtube.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 18, 2007, 12:18:01 pm
i was leg whipped one time, and i almost puked immediately. avoiding the cut is easy for guys that use their hands. you may get cut down, but you'll have some time to get up if you are scared of the dl coach killing you. i also never got cut that much, because when i did i put my cleats through their back as i got up and ran. however, the one time i was leg whipped, i never saw it coming and i felt like i was going to die.

sayer i never thought of sprinting out to the slide side, unless you are talking about good ol sprint out and moving the pocket. i like it though.

most pass pro schemes today are man/slide schemes where they call this at the line or with the play. there is always a man side and slide side. i do like the 5 man slide for playactions (power plays) and roll out plays where both the fb and tailback cut the DE. it is bs that you can't cut in high school, esp with so many de's being huge in today's game.

if you ever watch old michigan or lou holtz stuff, they used to do this a lot. I-twins, sprint to the twins side with both of the rb's cutting the de and sliding the line away from the play. any combo of pass plays can be used and have a te crosser if you like.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on June 18, 2007, 02:14:43 pm
VicBell57,

You made us all eat crow last year with Franklin knocking off Wabash at FC...so, what's your prediction for Franklin in Week #2 vs. Wabash?  At #16 Wabash...  A side note, Coach Creighton is 29-5 at home.  Huff vs. Rupp should be a great matchup...

At least Sears won't be ripping off KO returns.  I have a feeling Bash may have this date marked...

Prediction???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 18, 2007, 03:26:57 pm
prediction?

i used to throw out some lofty predictions when franklin was getting thumped and building a machine. i also loved to hammer some other schools to get it going. i am still waiting for hanover fans to come back so we can get after each other a bit.

my predicition is this:

the fc football team has been working very hard to win the hcac championship. sears is gone and somebody else will have to step up. wabash is very in love with themselves and how they perceive their football team and it's success. it does do wonders for the school and the recruitment there. i imagine the lil giants are peeved over last year's game. this game will feature a very fired up wabash team with the fans out in full force chanting that stupid hard hat crap.

when all of it comes down to the opening kickoff the game is going to feature some intense contact from both sides. you'll see a fc team led by strong leaders who don't rattle and the same from wabash. this game will come down to the wire my friend. i know this though, theo's defense has been getting stronger each year and he has some horses over there. i heard he was employing a new 8-3 defense that lines everybody up at the line of scrimmage and you better block the right guy, or you are going down. it's supposed to be a bit more deadly than the vaunted 46. the fc offense is led by leonard, that's all i need to say on that topic.

prediction: fc 28 wabash 24

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 19, 2007, 12:09:38 am
oh, and i forgot, the FC wabash game will also feature the two best tailgating squads in the nation at the Division III level. FC traditionally has party buses, rv's, numerous kegs in the parking lots, music (sometimes live music), cornhole, tackle football, any assortment of meat to eat and fill your stomach, chili, and some of the best potato salad in the midwest. while i was bragging about the pre-game meals and drinks at the friendly confines of Faught Stadium, one depauw alum said the bashers can bring the pre-game party as well. this should be a great collaboration of much beer, meat, potato salad, and pre-game football before what could be one of the nation's best games this upcoming season.

yes, i said it. i actually am picking 6 games to highlight the nation's games this season.

1.) mount union rivalry game against either john carroll or baldwin wallace. jcu and bw have been scrambling the past two seasons to get their monster going again, and i see this season as a great one to compete with the mighty raiders. in years past, all but the hair on a horse's hind end have separated these teams. i look for one of those games to be top notch. i dare say if one of those games turned out differently b/n these teams, you could have had another national champion out of the oac. but they didn't, so let's move on.

2.) FC vs wabash. last year's game was awesome and there are always high tensions playing in-state games of this nature. granted FC doesn't have the freak that is sears playing in blue and gold, but the squad coming back is highly talented. chad rupp is as talented as you will find at quarterback and the defense has taken huge strides in recent years. one pre-game speech by defensive coordinator said it all last year, "hey guys, you can only have a team come into your house and slap your mom, beat up your dad, eat your food, and kiss your sister while you sit around and watch. sooner or later you have to grow some hair on your chest and take your house back. today we are taking our house back." well said matt.

3.) FC vs MSJ. since leonard has taken over, this has been a bruising game with msj coming out on top. all the games have been close but no cigar for franklin. the hitting has been intense, and some great athletes have played on both sides. while msj's success has led to the departure of hilvert, i am sure huber will have the boys from hills playing tough, and i know FC wants this game.

4.) north central vs wheaton. north central's only loss last year. if you get a chance, get to a north central game. great stadium, tough conference, should be a great game. it was nc's only regular season loss last year and i expect this one to be a ball buster.

5.) capital vs mount union. #1 beat #4 last year. you don't think that's up on the weight room wall? not a far drive for the hcac'rs either, it would be worth the admission.

6.) wabash vs depauw or FC vs HC. rivalry games are awesome, the hate, the bitterness, the jealousy, the closeness, the recruiting, the teams hitting on the field. come one come all and enjoy these bell games. the best in the land if you ask me. i am partial toward the fc hc bell game though, way more ego involved is always fuel for the opening kickoff.

*my bonus game: the bridge bowl. i'll let the msj/tmc crowd weigh in. i'm sure this will be great to read.

oh, and i typed all of my comments using the robin leech voice, read it again with that in mind, and it seems way more dramatic.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 19, 2007, 09:45:28 am
I played my first flag football game yesterday...we got destroyed. The team we played had a lineman from Ball State and a lineman from Vanderbuilt and a football coach from Tiffin who played WR and could flat out run. I've seen him before but don't know where. He had dreds. They also had some other guys who played ball before. On my team, I'm the only person who's played college football and I think we only have 3-4 guys who played HS football. It will be a long season.

The Bridge bowl will be tough. MSJ has to proove a lot to people. They have a new OC and a new DC and a lot of inexperienced players filling starting roles. Rockin Rod will bring in the players, but it will be a different philosophy on both sides of the ball. I heard Soriano is a spread guy. MSJ could be going back to the looks of 2001 and 2002...with a little more success of course, on offense. Defense...I don't even know who's running the defense or if they will even keep the 4-4 look (which is what I think Hilvert ran). I do believe the game will be very emotional. If TMC and MSJ play the BRidge Bowl last year 20 times, MSJ wins 19...but TMC showed up and won the one that counted. WHo knows wat will happen. The best team doesn't always win on Saturdays..unless your Mount Union.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 19, 2007, 11:44:55 am
http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/061907aaa.html

this is very sad and our prayers go out to his entire family.

i did hear a message in church this past week for father's day, and it seems to make sense in times like this. in a nutshell the priest said "your time on earth is short, god already has a place picked out for you with him...."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 19, 2007, 12:20:25 pm
the better prepared team wins most times.  and I agree with you that was an upset this past year.   It will be interesting to see the flavor the rivalry takes on from this point forward though.  Lots of good stuff happening in Crestview Hills now. 

As far as the tailgate for the Bridge Bowl....its been a more festive (ie celebratory)atmosphere for us AFTER the game with the obvious exceptions of 2004 and 2005.    Again I wonder how the crowd will handle this year's edition of the Bridge Bowl.  I think you'll probably see some of the MSJ/TMC guys from on here share a beer before the game.

Adam,

where you playing flag football?  the key is to have a quick QB and a go-to receiver if you are playing CSL.  Before my shoulder surgery this past year, I was playing with a buddy of mine, an all american WR from Georgetown (KY).  We called him the eraser....we'd let all the turds on the team play until halftime and then start calling on "the eraser" to chew up yards on posts, post-corners and go's.   We usually won going away...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 19, 2007, 09:23:25 pm
Very sad day in football. But VBell is right. There's a method to God's madness. Personally, I'd like to know what it is cause I can't get a job and have resorted to painting relatives' houses for extra cash. Lord knows I pray every night for a teaching job.

We play at an indoor place in Fairfield. It's full contact but you can't tackle trying to get the flag...or I should say you're not supposed to. Balls off the wall are in play. It would have helped if I could shotgun snap the ball too. I'd do about 3-4 good snaps in a row, then roll one, then snap it 10 yards in the air. There is a reason why I never volunteered for Center.



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 20, 2007, 08:18:00 am
Adam,

Hang in there, dude.  If life were easy....you wouldn't appreciate the good times.  Let me know if you want to get together here soon so I can impart some more wisdom on you. 

JPC,

If you are lurking here...shoot me a message.  An old HS Classmate of yours is now my new Group Sales Manager and we were trading stories about you the other day.

To all....9 days away from the big 3-0.  I have rented a bar in Mt. Adams for Saturday the 30th.  Its $35 to get in, and all you can drink from 9-midnight.  If anyone is interested shoot me a message and I'll give you the name of the place. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 20, 2007, 08:26:07 am
Also my thoughts and prayers go out to Coach Hep's family.... the fraternity of coaching has lost a good one..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on June 20, 2007, 11:00:36 am
VictoryBell57,

Did you really just compare Franklin/Hanover with Wabash/DePauw?

"Wabash is very in love with themselves and their Program" - is that why FC is STILL talking about their upset win last season...why they talk about that win on every recruiting discussion, and why the Indy Star wrote an article about it at then end of the 2006 season.  I couldn't find the article.

2007 game is much different:
- Huff is one of the top QBs in all of Division III
- Bash D is a completely different unit, was by game 6 of last year, Deig and Pynenberg are off the charts with a deep and talented D front, NO first year starters nor position changes
- Bash will have film on FC's offense - no clue last year with no trade with OWU, much better D game plan
- the game is at Hollett Little Giant Stadium
- won't that same pep talk apply for Bash this season since its in our house?   ;D

8-3 huh?  I hope they do...  Huff would throw for about 600 yards...and Russell would catch for about 300

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 20, 2007, 12:06:47 pm
yes i did, the only differance is that the FC HC people are more fun to hang out with. i know your bell is much bigger and you think you are ordained the football teams in the state, but get over yourselves.

i haven't talked about the "upset" since it happened. I said great job and get ready for the next game. and giving an outline of your previous season with some notable victories isn't that absurd friend. it's called giving the 17-18 year old high school senior a snap shot of your program and who you've played/beat. it's called recruiting. if they said during the recruiting spiel that the wabash fans were doing the elephant train on their monkeys, then you can complain.

2007 game is much different:
- Huff is one of the top QBs in all of Division III was he not any good last year?
- Bash D is a completely different unit, was by game 6 of last year, Deig and Pynenberg are off the charts with a deep and talented D front, NO first year starters nor position changespart of the game, let's deal with it and move on. theobald didn't complain when he was trying to piece together a defense the last couple of years with guys not suited for it. he just worked hard and ate a lot of food.
- Bash will have film on FC's offense - no clue last year with no trade with OWUyou could have received a film. i got a film 4 states away by calling a few people. it's not cheating, it's called being creative. , much better D game planok, we'll see. if it's an 8-3 then i am saying you stole that from theobald and crying foul.
- the game is at Hollett Little Giant Stadiumcool place. HARD HAT FOOTBALL AND WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTING. it really is a cool place, but the geekiest thing i have heard are those chants. it literally is the most annoying crap ever heard. that's not homefield advantage. it's the calculus club drinking 3 zimas and chanting hard hat football all day. the tomahawk chop is home field advantage.
- won't that same pep talk apply for Bash this season since its in our house?   no, because theobald is the best pre game speecher that has ever walked the earth. and he is way fatter than anything your coaching staff can bring to the table. he will simply out work you at the buffet.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 20, 2007, 02:13:22 pm
i know your bell is much bigger

But I got the biggest......Bells of them all.

The 30th....something tells me I have something to do (Not sure at the moment) but if I don't, and have some extra cash, I'll be sure to stop up. Pavillion? Longworths? Blind Lemon? Yesterdays?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 20, 2007, 02:29:17 pm
sayer, don't get upset about the job thing. most schools are not under pressure to hire immediately and some will continue to wait until mid july. they have the 4th to take off you know. if you live in cincy, call the bearcats and see if you can do something for them. you could be on tv one day.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 20, 2007, 03:30:18 pm
Sayer: Monday I had two schools call to set up an interview, one thanks to coach Hubbie, and then another one today.  Today was Blanchester, next week Northwest and little catholic school on the west side.  If you go to the archdiocese website they have tons of middle school positions open.  It would hurt for a year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on June 22, 2007, 08:06:38 am
Bumped into Coach Huber last night....if someone could tell him that I made it home without incident, when you talk to him that would be great. 

Thanks.

Adam, its going to be at Alive One next Saturday night.  You should pony up the $35 and come out....you'll probably see me in rare form, unless the ex is there.  By the way, most of the girls from here will be there and if you can believe it, the scenery is better than it was when you spent time in the old complex. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 22, 2007, 10:40:40 am
I keep getting bad news. I did apply to quite a few schools on the Archdiocese website here and two schools in Columbus. We will see. The only thing I can do is try.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 24, 2007, 04:31:57 pm
This is Tony German's fight. For those who don't know, Tony played ball at MSJ for a year and has the biggest arms of anyone I know. He also happens to be slightly nuts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsiqG20qBMY
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 24, 2007, 05:57:04 pm
was that shot w/ a cell phone? 
Tony does look like a beast for sure.  That fight looked like the Jonnie Morten fight in LA when it lasted about 12 seconds.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 24, 2007, 07:33:47 pm
that guy is massive
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 25, 2007, 12:59:13 pm
what an animal!  I would hate to be on the recieving end of that punch.  Not bad for his first fight!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 25, 2007, 06:12:06 pm
I'd like to train with him but don't have the $100/month to spend. I don't even have $100 in my bank account right now. We're roughly the same size and would be good drilling partners.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 25, 2007, 06:30:05 pm
If you all are bored, here's a link to vote for the ESPY Awards.

http://espn.go.com/espy2007/index.html#/vote/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on June 26, 2007, 12:59:11 pm
Sayer what is the $100 a month for.  Screw boxing for fitness.

Just show up at the mount in the Harrington Center on Sundays mornings @ 10:00.
And then lately on Tuesdays and Thursdays at about 1:30 -2:00 we roll around up there.  Thats where I am about to head in a little bit.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 26, 2007, 01:36:57 pm
Sayer did you see Kimbo take out Mercer?  i was looking for it online but just saw he won in the first with a choke hold.  might be the baddest dude on the planet.  have you seen his site i think sublimefights got about 6 of his fights uneditted plus some undercards with his posse.  Bareknuckle backally asswhippins
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 26, 2007, 05:27:58 pm
is it true that a boston police officer beat kimbo? then got fired for doing the illegal fight?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 27, 2007, 10:52:57 am
I heard he lost to some huge white guy but I don't know if he was a cop or not. Kimbo may still be the baddest man on the planet. Losing only one bareknuckle fight isn't bad when you've had about 50 fights. Not everyone can be Marciano.

German told me that it cost him $100/month to train at the facility he trains at. If you all will be there tomorrow at 1:30, I'll stop up to roll around. Maybe show you all some wrastlin skillz. If you won't be there, let me know so I don't waste the gass. # is 793-3541.

SaintsFan, whats the deal for this weekend. I got a paycheck I didn't know I was getting so I think I will have the $$$.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 27, 2007, 10:54:49 am
If you search sublimedirectory...there's a lot more than bareknuckle fighting  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 27, 2007, 07:37:47 pm
Watched the Gannon vs. Kimbo Slice fight & in my opinion I think it is pathetic.  I know it is the fighters choice to fight in these bouts, but the way the fights are monitored these fighters are going to end up dead or permanently damaged.  Also, what is up w/ the crowd standing right next to the fighters?  I was waiting for one of them to get hit. 
Anyways, I'm a big fan for a lot of contact sports out there but this one I can not support. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on June 28, 2007, 11:35:10 am
i agree with that comment. i guess they have bodyguards (or at least kimbo does) that are pretty close to the action to make sure nothing happens. i'm assuming you'll be shot if you rush the fight, i don't know. isn't this just human cockfighting? i am still in shock at the one guy's eyeball falling out of his head, that was the sickest thing i have ever seen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on June 28, 2007, 10:36:47 pm
Human cockfighting is the best way to put it.  Has_Been go search sublimedirectory i am sure their is a guy on guy section for you.  you need to get out of the "OC" and move back to Detroit to get a little manhood back int he marble bag!!

FYI looking to get a new job in the next week i wont cover CA anymore but i will likely be coming to San Diego more often now...about to start making FU jack.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 29, 2007, 01:40:18 am
First of al 70_dc_alum, I'm now kicking it in Encino ;) & stop thinking about my marble bag! 
By the way, just let me know when you are in San Diego & you know I'll be there.  I live a little further north now as I mentioned, but it isn't that much of a difference.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on June 30, 2007, 12:38:06 pm
So I'm flipping through the channels and decide to watch the Columbus Destroyers/Tampa Bay Storm AFL game. As soon as I turn the channel, there's a shot of Hanover's Brett Dietz leaning up against wall. They said he is 7-1 as a starter for Tampa Bay.

http://www.tampabaystorm.com/storm/sub.cfm?pageid=1239

And he just threw and INT in the end zone that was returned for a TD by Columbus.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on June 30, 2007, 02:40:47 pm
Dietz has also been nominated for AFL rookie of the year.  Looks like he is making some waves for Tampa Bay.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ACRULZ on July 01, 2007, 03:42:20 pm
What is the word on Defiance football?  Replacing both coordinators, I'm sure there are going to be a ton of changes for the program.  I am especially interested in seeing the defense that was nationally ranked last season but due to the exit of DC's former D Coordinator, I'm wondering if the defense will suffer at all next season?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 01, 2007, 09:18:50 pm
defiance will employ an option offense with varying looks of the 3-4, and double eagle defense. nothing too crazy, just good ol' fashioned football. i hear they have a couple good ones on offense and a few guys on defense that can change the game. should have another solid year in defiance. could do a lot better if they paid their assistants more than 20k a year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on July 01, 2007, 09:44:00 pm
vbell:

Who is the new OC at Defiance?  Is Coach Taylor doing that?  I didn't see one listed on their current webpage.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 02, 2007, 03:42:46 pm
This is the only reason SaintsFan gets any action. Making those big bucks at TQL.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19505458/?GT1=10150
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 02, 2007, 04:46:37 pm
this is just grapevine stuff, i have heard that the offense suits their personnel better. whatever they do, coach taylor does a great job there and is well respected around the hcac.

it is interesting that the DIII schools do not pay their assistant coaches very much. i have heard that a lot of assistants make in the mid 20's range. just doesn't right with the money these small schools make to pay their coaches (men and women who spend a great deal of quality time with these young men and women to ensure a quality college experience) such a poor amount. in all reality, they are paying them just slightly above the poverty line. and we wonder why education in japan is taking off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on July 02, 2007, 07:57:01 pm
vbell:
The $20,000 range is very conservative - usually if one works for the school in another full time capacity i.e not just coaching.  I know of one DIII school where an assistant was full time for two sports and the salary was about $33,000 - okay for a single young coach, but difficult to raise a family on.  Many schools assistants (I'm talking full time, not the part time) don't even make that much - although obviously, it depends on the school and its resources.  Yet, overall, I agree with you.  The coaches need to be paid more, yet in this current era, economically, like the teaching profession as you know, it is very difficult.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 02, 2007, 08:00:36 pm
My buddy is the assistant DC at St. Joes (DII) in Indiana and I think he said he only makes about $9,000. He and his wife had to live in Section 8 and use food stamps the first year while she was looking for a teaching job.

I also believe I was a day up on d3football on the Deitz report :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 02, 2007, 08:27:41 pm
Oh, at least. I read the story in the local paper a week or so ago but wanted to give the Salem story more run and see what the playoff game brought Dietz.

Wish I'd seen your post. I did my own research, trying to find my way through the box scores.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 02, 2007, 11:40:53 pm
Just finished winning our first Flag game...only because the team we played was practically deaf and dumb. There's a team in a higher league called the Cartel. Half their team played with the Marshals last year.

That INT returned cost him later in the game...but still an impressive year. Now if they would only come out with a league where 5'11" 250 pound O-linemen can get some love.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 03, 2007, 02:31:58 am
Quote
Now if they would only come out with a league where 5'11" 250 pound O-linemen can get some love.

Time to lose the flags and get your tail hooked up with the Wolfhounds - your size, footwork, and wrestling accumen would be well suited to "loose head prop" and you'd get to run with the bloody ball (occassionally) and tackle opposition as a bonus.  ;D

Best Wishes from a 5'11", 15 stone forward - still playing (at slower pace) @ 54   ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 03, 2007, 09:30:57 am
it's ok, when i get a few drinks in me i call president moseley at franklin college and leave him a voicemail about paying his coaches more. the problem with academics is that when they stop the athletics wing, they think you just "joke around" or "do football" all day and "it's not that hard."

a.) coaches are good natured and laugh a lot.
b.) it's your job to do football all day, you are trying to do your best and not rip the school off.
c.) it's not that hard, but the academics will fire you for not doing good.

the other problem is that they are dorks (sorry) and very stuffy people. if something hit them in the lap besides a text book in the last 30 years they would have more social skills. me, i'll take the candy striping stripper to fall in my lap once every now and again.  bear bryant said he never trusted the schools administration anywhere becausey they were all the same, "non-working, unrealistic, soft handed, political, money stealing, no good snakes in the grass."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 03, 2007, 09:43:05 am
This is the only reason SaintsFan gets any action. Making those big bucks at TQL.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19505458/?GT1=10150


haha...true...or it could be they like the grey hairs and the wrinkles around the eyes from years in the sun....whatever it is....how would you like to be Dietz right now?  He's probably getting boy-band nook now in Tampa. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 03, 2007, 10:08:55 am

I also believe I was a day up on d3football on the Deitz report :)
Dietz' head coach at Tampa Bay is Tim Marcum, a McMurry ex and former player for Grant Teaff.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 03, 2007, 11:05:36 am
Fun in the sun watching girls wearing hardly anything is always a good time...especially when you don't have to pay for it.

Seems like DIII is getting quite a proportion in the AFL population.

Looking on the Marshals website, there is a player from Franklin. His name is Aaron Bridges and he wears #57 and comes in at 6'3" 270 pounds. We found VBell's true identity.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 03, 2007, 02:20:51 pm
formerd3db- I don't see Taylor being the OC at Defiance.  He has been defensive minded since high school when he was an allstate linebacker.  He then played dline at Albion, I believe he coached on the defensive side at St. Joe's, & started at dline at DC. 
On what they pay D3 assistants it is rough to live on that kind of $.  But sports are not the primary focus at DIII schools, so you won't see to much support for higher wages for the coaches no matter what the athletic programs bring to the schools.  Just an opinion though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 03, 2007, 02:50:37 pm
I cant see Taylor as the OC at Defiance either as he is a defensive guy.  Their offense for the last several years has been a bit scattered, its as if they can not quite decide on an identity.  They have been option and spread which is two different ends of the spectrum.  With the defense they have and if the offense improved they could be a dominant teams, they definetly have some quality skill players.  AS far as assistant salaries in DIII, I know at Adrian that the full time assistants get hired in at 35grand and we have the staff of 4 interns as well with one intern making 15grand plus meals housing and benefits and the other three making 7500 plus meals housing and benefits.  It is definelty not the level you are going to rake in the big bucks though as most jobs I have seen are in the 20's even at some of the DII's.  I knew the online coach at Tiffin and he was only making around 28grand so it is definetly not a big money industry.

On a side note the DC from Defiance was supposed to interview for the Adrian job this past week but they cancelled on him and hired from within, any info on why he is shopping around?  Is he looking to get the raise that would come with another schools job?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 03, 2007, 03:30:47 pm
Adrian has always seemed to have done a good job supporting their football program.  I always enjoyed the atmosphere when we played there (even for J.V. games). 
On passing up on DC's past dcoord., I think that was a mistake.  Hiring within is always good, but picking up a young coordinator w/ a proven past & fellow Michigander could have helped the program.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 03, 2007, 05:05:07 pm
dchasbeen:

That is the comment from other people as well.  Fresh face bring fresh ideas and change isnt always a bad thing.  Their past Dcoord was always creative and had some very good defenses.  Coach Deere who they hired to replace Klotz at Adrian is much the same mold and will be getting his first shot at fulltime coaching as opposed to coming in from 4-10 after he got out of work.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 04, 2007, 10:28:15 am
Aaron bridges i am not, trust me. while he is the dumbest person i have ever met, he can long snap better than most guys in the nfl. for some reason, god gave him quick long snapping hands and very slow thought processing brain cells.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on July 04, 2007, 06:44:41 pm

Franklin followers---what are your expectations for Chad Rupp this season? Dustin Huff from Wabash gets alot of attention (and rightfully so), but I hear really, really good things about Rupp.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 04, 2007, 09:03:36 pm
it is pretty crappy that a seasoned assitant coach makes less than a starting salary for most college grads.

HasBeen it could not have been the most recent D-coordinator we played with.  they just got a new place out in the country i think near Hamler and is working at keller with sweede and schaubs.  if punches gave him hell fo wroking at DC with all that time she is not going to let him do it over an hour away.  i think she wanted to go part time with all them kids...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 05, 2007, 11:22:25 am
i agree, colleges just simply need to pay more for their coaches to keep quality people in your school. coaches are moving with more frequency nowadays though in hopes to get a better gig.

i would say chad rupp will have another fine year. from what i hear, he is a great young man to be around, have as a teammate, and a great leader. it also helps that he is pretty talented and very humble. wabash is a great school with great tradition and their qb's will always get some ink in the news, but franklin was, is, and will be the "cradle of qb's" in small college america. Coach Faught started that tradition and Coach Leonard has continued that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 05, 2007, 11:39:36 am
wabash is a great school with great tradition and their qb's will always get some ink in the news, but franklin was, is, and will be the "cradle of qb's" in small college america.

Yeah. That's not a reach. There's no quarterbacking at Mount Union or anywhere else. :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 05, 2007, 03:34:34 pm
haha, nobody makes me bleed my own blood. good one pat.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ACRULZ on July 06, 2007, 01:19:23 pm
I hear that Defiance had to suspend six or seven of their players at the end of the school year.  Is this true?  If so will it carry over to next season?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 06, 2007, 05:55:15 pm
From what I have heard Taylor will be coordinating the offense and coaching the QB's this year.  Any idea what type of look and offense can be expected now that Taylor will be calling the shots?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 07, 2007, 08:50:56 am
adawg,

lots of punts....you'll see three different versions of the punt formation this season..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ACRULZ on July 07, 2007, 04:15:42 pm
adawg,

lots of punts....you'll see three different versions of the punt formation this season..


FUNNY!  Hopefully for DC's sake they can arrange a few first downs and scores.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 08, 2007, 12:21:32 pm
i just posted something on their offense, go back a page.

and yes, you could see many different variations on the punt, spread punt, tight punt, rugby punt, aussie punt, puntrooskie, who knows.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on July 08, 2007, 12:29:51 pm
shrimp stew, shrimp gumbo, shrimp cocktail, shrimp etouffe, shrimpkebab, shrimp samich......

signed,
Bubba
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on July 08, 2007, 12:34:09 pm
Oh yea, this is defiance we're talking about.  Let me translate for the old Defiance dline that hang around here:

fajitas camarones on two


signed,
Cerrano and a bucket o' KFC
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on July 08, 2007, 10:01:46 pm
Man I am getting sick and tierd of baseball and the Reds.  Football can't come soon enough.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 08, 2007, 10:22:02 pm
At least you have griffey playing like he did years ago, that is the one bright spot to a sorry season.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 09, 2007, 10:34:13 pm
The Reds may be very bad but...
1. Griffey is back to being Griffey
2. Homer Bailey showed he can be a dominant pitcher in the MLB (good for the future)
3. Josh Hamilton is in the hunt for rookie of the year
4. Firing managers usually sparks a team ala the Reds winning 5 of 6 and 4 in a row heading into the All Star break.

So there are some good storylines this year rather than just being the worst team in MLB.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on July 11, 2007, 07:32:49 pm
it was nice to see Griff to have display in the allstar game
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 12, 2007, 06:06:46 pm
Rich Franklin is fighting in Cincinnati on 10/20/07 for the UFC middle weight championship. It's a pay per view event and will probably be held at US Bank Arena. I would imagine you could get a ticket for about $40-$50 a pop which isn't too bad to watch a bunch of guys kick the piss out of each other. I would imagine that Matt Hamill will also be fighting since he's a Cincinnati Boy also...and 3 time NCAA DIII champion wrestler from a Deaf school in New York...yeah he's also deaf.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 13, 2007, 02:04:21 pm
I think former Thomas More LB and coach, Chris Wells is supposed to be fighting in this thing as well.  He's one of Rich Franklin's training partners.  I'll confirm when I hear more...

Hammill's brother, Pat was on our 1995 team...until he got in a little trouble and was NOT asked back to school.  He ended up at Mount St. Joe for a year and then nobody has heard from him..

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 17, 2007, 08:07:31 pm
Here's an article that should make Cave2beans proud:

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=147

And Since football is right around the corner, here's a youtube link for all you Buckeye lovers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMlPWO9N9eU
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 17, 2007, 11:52:21 pm
no sayer, this is the most important video of the year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpxjl23QFH8

actually, i find it hard to say anything comical about this without going really under the belt. maybe you guys can come up with something.

vbell57, out
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 18, 2007, 12:19:53 am
I belive I actually saw that same thing on television but it was full length on HBO or something like that a couple years ago.   I didnt watch your whole clip, but I know on the HBO special one, the big DL actually got into a fight with his position coach, and the position coach initiated the whole thing.  I find it pretty comical that the sign in the weight room on the wall said "Discipline above all" when I watched it the least disciplined people seemed to be the coaches.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 18, 2007, 10:06:44 am
I've seen that on HBO too and if you ever wanted to know why Pacman Jones and Chris Henry are the way they are...it's because of HS situations like that. Where coaches talk about kicking the sh!t out of someone who comes into your house and takes your remote control and every other word is f*ck. Those kids don't get an education, don't learn how to be an adult, don't learn what's morally and ethically acceptable...they just learn football. And when they get older, they end up dead or if they do make it to The League, they end up like the Pacman.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 18, 2007, 10:10:17 am
I second that Adam, to an extent.  I coached 8 year olds in Covington two years ago, and these inner city kids get an "early start" on that kind of behavior....from the environment they are raised in.  Its probably why these coaches are the way they are as well.....just a vicious cycle..


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 18, 2007, 10:11:23 am
I am not perfect. I yell, cuss, and have grabbed kids by their arms and did the whole finger in their chest thing as Bill Venard was so adept at doing. I'm probably as leanient as it gets when it comes to 'Old School' coaching, but this is bad. The coach lays the kid out on the field. And the asst tells the other players to let them fight. They are sending the message that it's ok to be violent when things don't go your way.

And VBell, I think this will be the biggest film of the year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL50ddCSJmo
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 18, 2007, 10:49:14 am
Here's an article that should make Cave2beans proud:

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=147

Appreciate the thought, Adam.  FYI, "league" is substantially different (more like American Gridiron) than rugby union rules and is basically limited to "Oz" and the English midlands for popularity.  It's not nearly as free-wheeling in flow, and it's origins evolved via "professional compensation" through corporate teams in the latter decade of the 1800s.  Lacks the continuity of play and the fervent national and regional levels of support of the Union game.

And now, back to the pads;

Signed,

William Webb Ellis 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 18, 2007, 12:46:17 pm
nice sayer. i think i will have to see that in the theater. i put off on seeing team america: world police and i have been kicking myself since.

i read somewhere those coaches got fired for:

a.) covering up a statutory rape case involving coache(s) with a student
b.) encouraging a gang rape of a high school girl to get fired up to play their rival.

i have no idea if these guy were convicted of the latter, but there are coaches in jail for obstruction of justice for the former charge. while the inner city can be a "vicous cycle," it doesn't mean that these coaches and teachers cannot try to stop that cycle once the kids are under their supervision. if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem. those coaches are definitely part of the problem.

i love old school coaching as much as the next guy. finger in my chest many times during practice and getting screamed at for not doing my job, but i was never called a "b*tch a** m*th* f*ck*" and form tackled by my coaches. those guys are a joke. it seems they ran good drills and all of that during practice, too bad they didn't attend ethics conferences while they learned schemes.

i wonder if this actually works for pregame. sayer, you should implement this for pregame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dQQruAfio
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 18, 2007, 06:29:47 pm
NOT A CHANCE!!!!!!! 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 19, 2007, 09:45:39 am
yeah, that was weird.

i am still a fan of the high school pregame where you go through all out hitting drills for 35 minutes before kickoff.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on July 19, 2007, 10:15:08 am
Quote
i wonder if this actually works for pregame. sayer, you should implement this for pregame.

Perhaps Coach Blake would have been more successful at OU if he had used this pre game ritual.  ;D

Also think its humurous that this story consumed the ENTIRE sportscast....really alot going on in Aroma-ha...

 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 19, 2007, 10:24:16 pm
SloMo little funky Tom Osborne must love that.

Rumor was correct looks like Taylor is going to coach QB's and be the OC...might as well that spot can make or break you.

http://www.defiance.edu/athletics/football_QuickFacts_07.pdf?tname=defiance
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 19, 2007, 11:11:44 pm
i have never lied on this board, just ruffled feathers. if i wanted to lie i would tell you the browns will be in the super bowl this year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 20, 2007, 01:00:44 pm
From some reason I can't get those utube links to come up!!! >:( 

On Taylor being QB's coach & OC will be interesting.  A defensive minded person switching sides.  One thing is for sure, they will be an aggressive offense in 07.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 20, 2007, 01:06:28 pm
too bad it appears Thomas More and Defiance will never play again....or at least as long as Tri-State continues to be terrible...then maybe a spot will open up when they get better.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 20, 2007, 01:54:03 pm
It kind of makes me feel special to be a DC alum when there is so much desire from another alum at a different school to rekindle the flame between two schools. ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ACRULZ on July 21, 2007, 09:55:16 pm
Will the Defiance defense be as strong as it was last season?  After losing 8 or 9 starters and the D-Coor. that has to be tough to recover from.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 22, 2007, 04:07:53 am
i have heard through a person in the know, that defiance will be as tough or better this year.

the top three teams in the hcac (in my opinion from conversations in the off-season) will be (and in no particular order)

FC, MSJ, DC (although I am seriously hoping that FC wins it and gets the playoff birth this year).

heard some rumblings that hanover could be near the top once again.

i haven't heard anything about the other schools. what have you guys heard?

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ACRULZ on July 22, 2007, 11:29:15 am
I don't know... it is tough for me to imagine that losing that many key players and the D-Coor.  And still be as good or better thank they were???  We'll see!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 22, 2007, 01:38:13 pm
i know, what you are saying. rumor has it they will be controlling the ball a lot more on offense to take the heat off the defense. as anybody knows, if you can run the ball (or move it for that matter) you have a chance to win. i'm sure taylor will be trying to keep opposing offenses off the field while his defense gets their feet wet.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on July 22, 2007, 01:44:32 pm
Defiance has always been a strong defensive team, every year I have seen them play.  Even in the down years there defense still played it tough while the offense faltered.  Despite the changes and personell losses I would still anticipate a tough D.  With Taylor in charge of the offense I would expect some hard nosed play and a team that will play well fundamentally.  Obvioulsy it will be hard to follow up last years team, but I would imagine they will find a way to get it done.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on July 22, 2007, 02:24:53 pm
Okayyyyy, I'll try it again. Hello, my name is Joe and I'm a computer dunderhead. I posted a few minutes ago and accidentally sent it to the MIAA board. So, here goes again. If you want to read the original post, go to the MIAA board because I have no idea how to cut and paste or even if you can on the board.

Good to be back. I forgot my password and it took me awhile to remember it. Also, I've been having some computer problems the past few months and every time I tried to post, I got booted off. I was beginning to think Pat didn't love me anymore. :-*

So how the hell is everybody? I miss football. I especially miss HCAC football. After 4 years and attending every home game (with one exception and then I attended a game at Adrian the next week to make up for it), my son, Richard #92, has graduated from DC with a degree in biz and economics. He and his g/f came down here to Florida after graduation, promptly got engaged and he's working in management with Publix and she's just starting grad school. Poor guy, the closer it gets to football season, the more restless he gets. I will say this is the thinnest I've seen him in years. It's tough enough being a former college football player's dad. I can only imagine what he's going through. He's talking about helping the local high school with some badly needed defensive coaching on a volunteer basis. Personally, I think it'd be funny as hell to see the DC slash and burn defense unleashed on a bunch of small high schools offenses.

I think Adawgisadawgforlife is mostly correct. DC lost some horses on defense this year, especially the ones up front. The replacements and underclassmen are looking good. I don't think they'll start as strong as they were last year but they'll come along as the season progresses. The secondary will still be pretty formidable, having retained some of its firepower. Will the D be as good as last year? Maybe not this year, since it was said that last year was the best they've looked in many years but the foundation is there for it.

Offensively, the new O-line coach came in and did some tightening up, especially in the fitness department. Look for them to be leaner, quicker and more agile. The big question now is whether Vetter can do it. I say last year was a combination of sophomore slump and overblown ego. If he comes out in the first game playing like he did his freshman year, watch out. If he comes out in the first game throwing pics like he did last year, it'll be another year of hunker down and wait for the shelling to stop. I do believe the offensive scheme this year will be better suited to him. There is some good talent at RB and some key receivers in Dillon, Allen and Curtis returning.

I hope someone can kick and punt this year. Haven't heard anything about that.

How's it stack up in my eyes? Franklin comes out early in first place and will be hard to knock out. Not impossible but hard. Their D improved a lot toward the end of the season last year and it showed. Anderson is DOA. Bluffton and ManU - same as it ever was. MSJ - I don't see them doing great things this year but it's always foolish to bet against their program too hard. TriState - a little improvement. Hanover. Someone said they might make it way up in the charts. I don't see it. I'm saying fourth or fifth. I'd be more concerned about RHIT.

Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

God, I miss DC already and I didn't even go there. We will be going up for a couple of games. Plus, the prez's office spoke with me awhile back about MAYBE doing some guest lecture stuff this year. Sounds like fun if it works out and maybe I can trade for air fare and football tickets.

Good to be back. I hate baseball 'cause it ain't baseball anymore. Barry who?

PS: I saw an old post about MSJ QB from last year getting in trouble. Did he? What happened?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 22, 2007, 02:44:35 pm
Glad you got through and glad to see you're still coming around even after your son graduated! That's one of the best ways the Division III fan base can grow, not just by players remaining fans but their parents as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 22, 2007, 08:52:18 pm
just got back from the alumni golf outing and got all of the scoop..........but after about 40 beers i cant remember any of it so sorry a short post :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on July 23, 2007, 11:58:21 am
Brett Dietz was in the most recent ESPN magazine in their discussion of AFL players with potential to make an NFL roster.  Even had his picture, so at the very least he's getting some national pub and representing the HCAC well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 23, 2007, 12:43:42 pm
god, deitz absolutely killed franklin for a few years. just killed them. he is a great qb.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 23, 2007, 04:47:38 pm
He's either very cerebrial or just unbelievably talented. I know Arena isn't complicated when it comes to reading defenses, but as SaintsFan mentioned, was AFL2's Rookie of the Year last year and was Tampa Bay's 4th, that's right, 4th QB of the season and went 7-1 as a starter prior to losing to CBus in the playoffs. To switch teams, philosophies, etc. every year and still be successful is pretty amazing, even if it is Arena.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on July 23, 2007, 07:29:42 pm
Okay, coming in late to the thread here. Wasn't Dietz Hanover's QB? I'm trying to picture him. I'm thinking he graduated in 2003, which would've been my son's first year at DC. If he's the same QB I'm thinking about, I wondered what happened to him. He had the stuff, for sure. How many Arena League QB's have made the leap to the NFL other than Warner?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 23, 2007, 07:41:23 pm
I don't think many QB's have made a 'successful' leap to the NFL. With NFL Europe folding, it will be interesting to see the interaction of the NFL and AFL. It's hard to imagine the AFL as a developmental league, but, where do you play if you can't make The League? The options are limited so I think you'll be seeing more NFL teams coming to the AFL looking for talent.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 23, 2007, 10:36:00 pm
sayer all depends on the coaching staff.  after my 1 year playing i still have no freaking clue what the plays are but it was damn near a novel to call a play for the dueschbag who was our OC/HC.  he basically called out a blocking scheme, motion per reciver, and route per reciver on every play vs just somethign simple like 490 Smash  it would be something like Slide left X zip 99, y cross 91, Z 90 Cross double cant remember the rest on 3
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 24, 2007, 08:03:29 am
What did you guys do when he said "can't remember the rest on first sound"????


Jacketsfan,

He was #15....was the very precise QB, and dissected defenses.  Came out of Covington Catholic High School, which has a history of producing great HS QB's who've won the state title....but I don't think he did. 

So to recap....#15 Hanover jersey, tall, kind of built....and didn't wear any rings until he was at Hanover and they won the HCAC. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 24, 2007, 08:55:26 am
built? i don't think i'd say that.

oh yeah, and the dissecting defenses is correct. if you mean having joe namath back there ripping your defense to the tune of 400 yards and 4 tds before the double reverse throwback pass, that was him. he threw a great ball, great deep ball also. you usually don't see a great deep ball from precise throwers, but he did.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 24, 2007, 09:31:26 am
So to recap....#15 Hanover jersey, tall, kind of built....and didn't wear any rings until he was at Hanover and they won the HCAC. 

Sounds like SaintsFan is recapping the next QB Commercial superstar. He was good and I don't think he was ever the HCAC offensive player of the year due to Joel Steele. Which is a joke, not because he was necessarily better than Steele, but because Hanover won the HCAC his Junior and Senior year. Not Anderson. They both put up similar numbers, but Steele couldn't beat Hanover when Dietz was their QB.

And in N. KY, Covington Catholic is a very, very good football program. They consistently produce great teams and players. My freshman year, when I had no idea who Dietz was, I looked over the program and saw that he played at Cov. Cath. Instantly I knew he was a good player because of where he was from.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 24, 2007, 02:14:17 pm
Didn't Kurt Warner come from the AFL?

JacketsFan-great to see you back & posting.

70dcalum- I see after you lost all of that weight you are now a light weight when it comes to drinking. :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: NCC_alum62 on July 24, 2007, 02:50:19 pm
Didn't Kurt Warner come from the AFL?

JacketsFan-great to see you back & posting.

70dcalum- I see after you lost all of that weight you are now a light weight when it comes to drinking. :D

Yes Kurt Warner played in the AFL, he went to college at Northern Iowa
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on July 24, 2007, 09:43:04 pm
Thank you, SaintsFAN. I thought he was the one. My guess is that Dietz could've played at a higher level in college. He had a big arm. He was accurate. He played smart. I don't remember how well he ran the ball but he was terror through the air. How was he on his feet? I only saw him play that one time and then he graduated. I was also very impressed with Joel Steele. I'd forgotten about him. How could you not be a great QB with a name like that? I think the Ravens thought Chris McKee would be the answer to Steele. He did look pretty good the first year I saw DC play Anderson with McKee at QB. But I noticed he had a tendency to hang in the pocket a little too long and I knew that it was only a matter of time before DC's defense sniffed that out. And they did.

The senior that started as Rose Hulman's QB last year, Cameron Hummel, I think his name was, looked promising but went out early in the season. Is he the one who got his arm broken playing DC? His replacement was a freshman, Eric Keitel or whatever his name was didn't look too shabby for a freshman QB either. I think RHIT could be a dark horse this year and might surprise some people.

dc_has_been - it's good to be back on the board, bro. I don't know why I take these extended sabbaticals the way I do. I always miss you bunch of miscreants and reprobates. Victory-bell, I see you're still looking as dapper as ever. I think the HCAC is easily within reach of Franklin this year, especially if you can keep Rupp healthy.

I hate baseball. I watched Eight Men Out the other night for the umpteenth time. Now THAT was real baseball. I can't figure why Major League Baseball keeps Shoeless Joe Jackson out of the Hall of Fame. All he did was take the money. He had no part in throwing the game. The Sox did as well as they did after the fix mostly because of Jackson. Mark McGuire and Barry Bonds and all the other steroid sucking posers will get into the Hall of Fame. Screw the commission, Major League Baseball sucks.

Gawd, college football season can't start soon enough.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 25, 2007, 11:21:01 am
baseball is boring, the but the bronx is burning is great. i recommend it.

deitz could run pretty good, i think he was also a basketball player at hc. brett could have and should have played at a higher level. any one of the IAA lehighs or such would have nabbed him, any number of D2's would have loved to have a qb like him. i am sure the university of indianapolis could have used his skill during his tenure in college. teams that have qb's like him usually win a lot of games. (yes pat, mount union has good qb's!!) look at the weapons deitz had at hc during his time there, not many schools have that pool of talent to throw to like he did. i am glad they have all graduated and FC is pretty darn good now, turning the tables on the talent pool.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 25, 2007, 09:03:32 pm
Franklin - 33 votes in D3football preseason poll, MSJ has 16.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 25, 2007, 11:04:06 pm
I think having 2 teams getting that many votes each is a big plus for the HCAC.  Now all we have to do is get some W's in post season action. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 26, 2007, 01:32:55 am
the HCAC has been getting better, gaining national notoriety, and evening out. i applaud all of the coaches in the HCAC for making it a better place to live.

and yes, i agree 100%, all we need is that first playoff win to start our march to the championship game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 26, 2007, 01:55:44 am
i will say i agree with the PRESEASON top 25 except for wabash. FC beat them last year, and you can argue, well whatever. We'll have a huge contest with them to get some of this squared away. talk is cheap, frog is leap, acdc has big balls, but i have the biggest balls of them all.

obviously, some of the schools out west throw me for a loop. I just don't know that much about them. does anybody else out there know the low down?

sayer, try this one out for the squad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbQHw3_Prs0

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 26, 2007, 09:39:26 am
victory,

I know Thomas More played Chapman a few years back during a two game home and home series....Thomas More was playing pretty good football then, and Chapman's record left something to be desired (against the SCIAC schools) and they played Thomas More very, very tough....beating the Saints in Orange, CA and taking TMC to the wire the next year at home. 

To summarize....if not for the Mt. Union run, the West would have multiple titles and like the PAC 10, without the coverage that is given to the Eastern Teams (Not D3football's fault...its tough to cover leagues 3,000 miles away), many teams are underestimated by fans east of the Mississippi River, but NOT underrated by Pats staff.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on July 26, 2007, 11:41:55 am
i will say i agree with the PRESEASON top 25 except for wabash. FC beat them last year, and you can argue, well whatever. We'll have a huge contest with them to get some of this squared away. talk is cheap, frog is leap, acdc has big balls, but i have the biggest balls of them all.

It isn't that crazy...Wabash brings back their entire defense (including a two-time AA) which was light years better at the end of the year than the D that went to Franklin last season, as well as the nation's leader in passing efficiency and all of his favorite targets.  An 8-2 team with that much coming back will get votes. 

I posted this elsewhere, but I believe that a lot of voters have Wabash and Franklin ranked fairly evenly and I think the winner of that game will get a boost in the rankings at the expense of the loser's votes.  If Franklin goes to Wabash on the 8th and leaves with a win, I think they'll get into the top 25.  If not, there should be an investigation. 

This game on 9/8 is going to be a great game.  I think both of these teams will be very good this fall. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 26, 2007, 11:49:09 am
wally, right on. i am already anticipating a huge game there. great crowd, loud stadium, two teams ranked at or damn near the top 25. i have to go now, my pulse is going up as i think about it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 26, 2007, 11:55:48 am
SaintsFan- That was a great game vs. Chapman.  It was nice getting to go to that game since Chapman is only a hour away from me. 
If only the halfback pass was completed at the end of the game you guys could have flew home w/ a W.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 27, 2007, 04:25:18 pm
i will say i agree with the PRESEASON top 25 except for wabash. FC beat them last year, and you can argue, well whatever. We'll have a huge contest with them to get some of this squared away. talk is cheap, frog is leap, acdc has big balls, but i have the biggest balls of them all.

obviously, some of the schools out west throw me for a loop. I just don't know that much about them. does anybody else out there know the low down?

sayer, try this one out for the squad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbQHw3_Prs0

That was awsome. I liked when the smaller midget did a handstand and kicked the other midget in the face...that was the best.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on July 27, 2007, 09:57:08 pm
Speaking of getting votes for the top 25. Little Mississippi College goes 5-5 last year and a combined 3-17 the previous two years and I see they have nine votes. Is that because they beat Millsaps, which beat Trinity? I mean, improving your season to .500 after sucking hind tit three or four years in a row is all well and good but how does it get you nine votes for the D3 Top  25? They did put a shellacking on Millsaps - which, incidentally, recruited my son pretty hard. And Millsaps did put it on Trinity so maybe that's how they pulled it off (knocking off a team that knocked off a Top 25 team).

Ugh! I ate too many fajitas. I gotta got take some Tums. I just blew a smoking hole in my fruit of the looms.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 27, 2007, 10:13:54 pm
They're predicted to finish third in the ASC -- third-best in the ASC is traditionally a pretty good team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on July 28, 2007, 09:13:01 am
my 2 year old thought the cart-wheel midget kick was hilarious...probably should not have shown it as now he wants to beat the crap out of the dog
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 28, 2007, 05:36:07 pm
haha, that's classic.

look at what they make the prisoners do everyday at this prison in the phillipines. i guess whatever keeps them from raping or killing innocent people, i'm in favor of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnk7lh9M3o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 29, 2007, 01:06:02 pm
I'm going to send that clip over to MTV for a new reality t.v. show, "Making the Band; Prison Style"!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on July 29, 2007, 02:57:02 pm
i want to know who the people are clapping and cheering for them behind the camera. it's weird.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 30, 2007, 08:33:45 am
hasbeen,

No kidding.  I remember that...it was Halloween Weekend (all the ladies were dressed up at the 'bars' on Hermosa Beach) and the Angels were closing out the Giants a few miles away in the series....

Too bad we didn't get to meet up... we ended up having a great time despite the fact we lost.  I think the HB pass went in and out of the intended receiver's hands right? 

That night got a little crazy and two of us missed our 12 noon flight out of LAX the next day(which isn't all that hard to do)....and they ALL want to go back (even the now-married ones) for Halloween in the city of Angels.  Me?  I experienced Halloween last year in Las Vegas at Dennis Rodman's party @ Tangerine.   Either is fine, but if I had to choose, I'd take Vegas. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 30, 2007, 01:18:18 pm
SaintsFAN- The ball was a little underthrown but should have been caught & went for 6!

Vegas is crazy as well, but if you want to experience an intense Halloween you need to go to Hollywood instead of Hermosa Beach or Vegas.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on July 30, 2007, 04:22:35 pm
If we had gone to Hollywood (like the football team did after the game), we would have gone to jail.....the guys that were with me are afraid of nothing..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on July 31, 2007, 06:04:49 pm
HCAC represented in the preseason All American poll.
Nick Cass, Sr., Defiance

So if I was to take a vacation next year in San Diego, where would I want to be? A buddy of mine  and his brother live there, but I'm lazy and currently do not have a phone near.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on July 31, 2007, 06:57:29 pm
"Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina."-Ron Burgundy
 Also the the gaslamp district in San Diego is always a good spot for eating, drinking, & entertainment.  Go to gaslamp.org to get more info.  It gives you a whole list of things to do & tells you what is close by too. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 01, 2007, 11:03:17 am
Adam,

Take some time in SD to patronize an OSU alum's business as well - Stone Brewery.
Some awfully tasty concoctions come out of those vats, like Arrogant B*st*rd and their IPA.

Viva suds with an attitude!  ;D

Signed,

"Old Guardian"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 01, 2007, 11:47:06 am
adam,

whatever you do in San Diego, DO NOT go to TJ (Tijuana)....people dont' come back from there.

Don't take a vacation there....move there.  You'd be happy with your decision.  Perfect weather, and lots of stuff to do.....am I missing something?  Oh yeah....hot and crazy chicks. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 01, 2007, 11:32:08 pm
are there a lot of great whites off the coast? or is that up by san fran? jaws has ruined the ocean for me, but i like to watch the water.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 02, 2007, 08:22:34 am
Probably not ALOT, but there's a chance you'd see some in the waters off San Diego. 

They do like tropical climates more...which means South of San Diego along Baja California.


I am late for my interview with discovery channel....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 02, 2007, 11:37:46 am
it is shark week, i can probably get this info by watching discovery 24 hours a day.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 02, 2007, 11:57:15 am
Once was surfing in Malibu & there was all sorts of activity w/ the coast guard & lifeguards & everyone thought it was a drowning.  Turned out there were two baby great whites that were swimming around.  It was also nice to know the "pups" were 6 feet long.  Not bad for babies!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 02, 2007, 04:00:08 pm
i just saw a special on the sharks. turns out most great white attacks on people are because they assume they are sea lions and come from underneath to investigate. the only way to find out is to bite into them since they have no hands. usually that means you lose a limb or die. oh, and the great whites aren't very agile but are one of the fastest sharks. been timed up 37mph in the water.

also, the bulls sharks are responsible for the most deaths and can live in fresh water for up to 4 years. it was the shark scare in 1916 along the new york/new jersey where the bull sharks forced people off the beaches and into the inlets and rivers only to find 3 people being killed in one day miles up the river. apparently they have super rediculous livers that can process both types of water and get their oxygen. the one guy estimated hundreds of bull sharks in a river 90 miles inland in one small area. puts things in perspective a little bit. even more so when you consider a bull shark was taken from the mighty mississipp in st. louis!!!!!

mako (sp?) is the most aggessive. they are smaller off the coast of california but grow to 12-14 feet in the gulf. they have also been timed going 40 mph in the water, the only good thing is that their horrifying set of teeth and their non picky diet stay out in much deeper waters and stay away from most coasts.  very aggressive animals.

my last notation on the sharks took place on mythbusters (sorry, i really got into shark week yesterday) and they tested the great white myths from jaws.

1.) great white can crash through a cage and eat somebody. True. at 500+ lbs and traveling over 30 mph, the shark can destroy a cage and you. and it's nose is made of very hard cartillage that makes it a battering ram.
2.) GW can destroy a boat by crashing into it. True. at 500+ lbs and hitting a wooden bottom boat, you may not be in for a good day fishing.
3.) roy scheider can blow a GW up by shooting the oxygen tank. False. The bullet from the Italian bolt action style rifle just blow a hole straight through it and turns it into a torpedo. It could probably scare the fish off though.
4.) GW can take the buoys down below water and hold them there. False. can take them down, but not for long.

it was 2-2 for mythbusters and jaws when i fell asleep. i didn't see the last one. either way, they are some dangerous animals. sorry for the long drawn out post on sharks, but it is shark week.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 02, 2007, 04:38:44 pm
Has Been - if i remember correctly there are some Pics and Videos of you in the Gas Lamp District durign Madi Gras when we were running around there with beads looking like Mr. T

i am sure your soon to be Wife would love a copy of those.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 02, 2007, 05:28:08 pm
Ah memories!  I especially remember leaving w/ an empty neck of beads after that evening. ;D  I'm also sure my fiance has better documented pics & vids of me ;). 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 02, 2007, 07:56:33 pm
actually she posted those online.  go to sublimedirectory.com and search "gay"

Sayer if you are looking to drop a dime go to LaJolla for dinner there are a lot of great restaurants...pricey but unbelievable.  Marine Room sits on the beach at the cove crowd is a little "old" but the waves crash against the dining room window with dolphins swiming in the wild.  Ricks on the Cove is also great.  you can easily immpress the Puntang taking them out there.  drop me a line when it gets closer we are always hosting clients out there and i can find some spots for you.

if you just want to get sick to your stomach go north out of mission beach oon the side streets and it will take your through the neighborhoods around LaJolla every house has either a Ferrari or Lambo in the driveway. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 02, 2007, 11:21:59 pm
What a bunch of tee wah tees! Sharks! Omigod! Come on, you wimps!

Any self respecting surfer ain't gonna let the guys in the gray suits keep him out of the water any more than any self respecting football player ain't gonna let the prospects of a concussion or fractured neck keep them off the football field. I got a coupla fingers munched two weeks ago trying to retrieve a fish hook from a hammerhead's mouth. Not an extremely large hammerhead but he made my hand bleed pretty nice. I've been followed to the beach by the landlord so many times I can't even begin to count the number of times. Two buddies and mine and one of their wive's were doing a dawn patrol together down here a few years back. We'd been surfing about thirty minutes when Kathy says, "Uh, guys, there are sharks over here." Her husband looks over at her and laughs and says, "Well, babe, paddle your ass over here with us. We ain't seen one yet." There were six big ones near her - the biggest about nine feet long and the smallest about three and half feet. A little bastard nipped me on top of my left foot about fifteen years ago. If the waves are really cranking, I'm paddling out. If I see sharks, I count myself lucky. It's the ones you don't see that nail you anyway and there ain't squat you can do to totally avoid it but stay out of the water. Not an option if you like to surf as much as I do. I will say that bullies make my ass pucker. They're mean and aggressive and they don't give up. They like to shove you before laying into you. That's the really scary ass part. If one shoves you, you're fixin' to get bitten and the best you can hope for is that it's not big enough to do you much damage. A bull bit one of my elderly neighbors in half a few years back. He jumped into the canal for his afternoon swim and landed in a school of bullies feeding on stingrays. A ten footer chomped him across the middle and literally bit him in two. He bled out and died right there while his wife and son stood on the dock and watched.

Anyone wanna go surfing with me? I've got extra boards and extra rooms and sweet spots galore.

Congrats to Nick Cass! You da Man!

Sayer, while in San Diego, go to the Zoo. It rocks. The Gas Lamp District is cool. Rent a car and drive up PCH all the way to Huntington Beach. Beautiful Drive. Especially around La Jolla and Torrey Pines and that area.

Surfing's good in Mission Beach. Beware of sea lions. They can be aggressive. La Jolla surfers are pretty territorial. San Diego surfers are laid back for the most part, as are those up around Oceanside. The guys at Trestles can be real nazis toward outsiders.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 03, 2007, 10:32:08 am
i really don't want to get bit in half. holy crap that's frightening!

it's funny hearing a surfer's point of view as compared to mine. i watch shark week and know that surfers like to go early in the morning for the waves, like when sharks go to start eating. the two don't mix for me. yet, you say it's a great time. and seem to show very little fear over it. or maybe the right amount of fear to keep you alive.

i would compare that with a broken neck and i think it was a fair comparison. most people won't play football with a broken neck, well, unless you are LT in ANY GIVEN SUNDAY and you play for the Sharks.

"that's football gentlemen...."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 03, 2007, 01:07:37 pm
jacketfan,

thats quite a story....what a terrible way to go....imagine the screams..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 03, 2007, 02:03:08 pm
I was going to go shark feeding in Tahiti in a couple of weeks, but then I found out you float or stand in shallow water behind a secure rope while they bring out a few sharks to watch them feed.

Hopefully there will be some good scuba action by the reef when I'm out there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 03, 2007, 07:12:36 pm
Preseason poll is out: http://www.heartlandconf.org/Football/football.htm 
Very close between MSJ & Franklin for the top notch going to MSJ.  I was a little surprised by that b/c my opinion is that Franklin will be the team to beat, but MSJ has a great program w/ a tough defense & a running back that will be in the running for HCAC offensive MVP(again).  Other than that I pretty much agree w/ how the rest of the poll plays out. 
For DC the defense is going to be solid w/ a strong defensive backfield & linebacker core, but the dline will be a ? mark b/c of so many graduating seniors lost.  But they still have some playmakers on that side of the ball to get the job done.
 For offense I feel like this might be the year that DC puts together a strong attack w/ a lot of experience on that side of the ball.  I really am looking forward to see what Coach Taylor is going to do w/ the offense w/ some dangerous weapons (Dillon, Allen, Curtis, & Vetter). 
I'm starting to get excited here w/ the season coming up quickly.  I can't get enough HCAC football out here on the left coast.  Let the educated smack talk begin!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 03, 2007, 07:38:44 pm
has-been, I mostly agree with your assessment of DC's defense this year. I think the secondary might even be a little better than last year's. But I gotta tell you, I'm really worried about the front. They lost everyone up front. Andrew Mickey got some action at nose last year but I think he's being moved to end this year. I don't know who they've got on the other end. One underclassman was really looking good as a potential NT but I think he transferred. He was a big guy and I think he had dreams of playing in a higher division. The secondary didn't get blocked last year because the guys upfront kept O-lines tied up all year. I just hope they've got some horses that can cover the front this year. Taylor has been very good at producing those. If he does again this year, I'll feel much more confident.

I don't know if I share your optimism about the offense, though. Vetter was totally off the mark all year last year. If he comes out floundering in game one, it could be an ugly repeat of last year. Dillon is a phenom but if he gets his noggin bumped again he may be done. Gary Allen is a playmaker, so that's a bright spot. Curtis has been there for them a few times but I think he could do better. I still don't know if they have anyone who can reliably kick and punt like they need. Field positioning killed us last year a few times. Still, if an amped up offense can buy a tough secondary time to help  some new D-linemen the time to get their feet wet, they might do something.

I think Franklin is the team to beat this year, too. Doubtless MSJ was picked largely on the strength of their being HCAC champs three years running, as well as the overall strength of their program.

I still say everyone needs to be very careful of RHIT. I think they can be dangerous. They came into a new conference last year and went 6-4.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 04, 2007, 01:51:10 am
Color me blown away by the fact that Hanover is ranked below RHIT.  Oh how the mighty have fallen. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 04, 2007, 05:02:37 pm
the mighty have fallen. msj used to be a doormat and are now considered one of the region's top teams. same with franklin and the rise of the program under mike leonard. however, i still wouldn't count hanover out in any football game. the head coach runs a good program and there is stability there.

i am very excited to see what franklin can do with this year and schedule. i know the wabash guys will be calling for revenge and the battle with msj each year has been great. the bell game is always a sure fire battle with the history between FC and HC. i am sure coach leonard and the staff will have the troops focused on each opponent. i'll be at the grotto lighting candles before each game.

too early to talk playoffs, long season coming up. i know i am expecting to be in or darn near the cusp of the playoffs once again. we'll talk about that later after some ball is played and things start to sort out.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 06, 2007, 12:18:20 pm
We were in Virginia Beach last week and I did a ton of fishin and swimming. The boat fish trip was nice. They took us about 2-3 miles out (water was 60-80 feet deep) and me and the ol lady caught about 50 fish together. Now, they weren't nothing to brag about. Mostly 6-8 inch Croakers, Spots, and Blue's, but there were about 4 baby sand sharks (2-3 pounds) that were caught. I cordially took them, cleaned them and ate them. The trip was only $35 and was lots of fun. We're just talking about San Diego as a possibility. I've never been to Florida so that may be an option as well. I'd love to do some big game fishing which I'm assuming can be done either place. I'd love to learn to surf too, but 245 pounds is a lot to put on a board and I'd rather pass on being a 245 delicassy to a shark.

I'm a little surprised that MSJ is still voted to win the HCAC. With the turnover from the previous year and the rise of Franklin. But I guess since they've won it now 3 straight years, they should be voted first until someone knocks them off. It will help having Mike Lovell Pounding the Rock and Steve Wergers leading the blocking.

Unless you're MUC, seasons are like a pendulum (or if you're a math geek like me, seasons are like the graph of sin). Good years, average years, bad years, average years, good years. Wittenberg is the same way. The late 90's they didn't lose a game to a team not named MUC, not they're just a good team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 06, 2007, 06:22:46 pm
if you really look at kehres' record at mount union, it is quite startling. i don't think there will ever be a guy who has achieved a career total as he has with as few losses. wow. sorry about the side topic, but i was on their website and it was a bit mind blowing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 06, 2007, 11:13:22 pm
246-20-3 & a .920 win percentage since 1986! :o  You ain't lying bout that victory.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 07, 2007, 02:16:55 pm
i like to think i took part in a couple of those...in the 246 (not in the 20!!!!).

Another couple of records involving MUC I mention at times.  Win #1 in the NCAA longest Winning Streak MUC over Defiance in 1996 and in the same game we set and NCAA record for most points in the shortest amount of time when we were winning 3-0 at the start of the second quarter and 14 seconds off the clock we are down 21pts...yes that is possible

toss sweep fubmle return 20yds for TD
KO Return fumble return 10yds for TD
KO Touchback
1st play INT return for TD

14 seconds off the clock and i realized why they put handles on socks
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 07, 2007, 04:14:57 pm
wow, how does one do that? that is in record time. don't feel bad though, our offense didn't get on the field one time until a minute left in the first quarter. we were down 55-0 at that point. yeah, i thought the same thing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 07, 2007, 04:46:09 pm
I still remember my introduction to college football which so happened to be against Mount Union.  I think their starting QB was in street clothes after the 1st quarter.  Plus I received a broken nose on my first carry of my college career.  I think I finished the game w/ 6 carries for -1 yard.  Good times I tell ya.

There also is a coach, Clair Bee, who had won 95% of his games over 20 years as a basketball coach at Long Island University.  Couldn't find his overall record there, but it still is amazing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 07, 2007, 05:05:55 pm
Ol' Larry has nothing on me. I'm undefeated as a college coach :)

Anyone know what the Wizard of Westwood's W-L record was while at UCLA?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 07, 2007, 06:07:03 pm
Just at UCLA Wooden was 620-147 including 10 national championships w/ 7 in a row plus an 88 game win streak.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 07, 2007, 08:59:56 pm
only other wierd one we had was Ohio Weslyan.

Opening KO
we drive 80yds Int for TD
KO
Drive 60yds INT for TD
KO
Drive 80 yds for TD
we finally KO
D goes 3 and Out
Punt Drive 80 Yds for a TD
halftime time of possesion is something like 28-2 and we missed and extra point wo we are down by 1 and i am so tired i wished i was dead.  we lost 21 to 20.

next year goes down almost the same way except we were up 7 when we threw 2 Pic 6 in a row and go down 14-7.  4 INT for TD in 2 seasons against 1 team...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 08, 2007, 02:11:37 pm
Man how long was this summer??  Anybody ready for football??

Temps outside remind me of the fall....

Thomas More will be playing their games off campus this year due to construction of the field.  Good things going on at the Crestview Hills school.   They are making an effort to have the alumni of the program more involved, the stadium plans are coming along and we have a new staff to be excited about. 

I look for the Saints to finish 2nd in the PAC, and turn some heads on 2007. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 08, 2007, 03:24:12 pm
anybody have any insight on the other hcac teams besides msj, fc, and defiance?

i keep mixed things about hanover and nothing about the other teams. how do they all look?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 08, 2007, 03:35:12 pm
Football!  Just saying it puts a smile on my face.  ;D  Can't wait to get the season started.  I think it will be an interesting season inside the HCAC.  I'm still convinced it will either be Franklin or MSJ to take top honors, but I do feel DC will be the team that spoils it for one or they other.  Bluffton did it to us in 2000.  

SaintsFan- wasn't TMC picked fourth in the preseason poll?  I would have thought 2nd or 3rd myself, but Waynesburg & Thiel are tough to overlook even though they each had a disappointing seasons last year.

Well, hopefully Manchester can get the HCAC off to a good start by beating Tri-state & the rest will follow in their nonconference action in the openning weeks.

Victory- If you got to the hearltand conference site you can get a little info from the preseason write up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 08, 2007, 04:52:33 pm
Just some interesting Games in September to get the college football season off and going:

September 1st:

Appalachian State at Michigan

Georgia Tech at Notre Dame

Tennessee at California

September 6th

Oregon State at Cincinnati

September 8th

Miami (FL) at Oklahoma

Buffalo at Temple (Toilet Bowl)

Boise State at Washington

South Carolina at Georgia

September 13th

West Virginia at Maryland

September 15th

Tennessee at Florida

Notre Dame at Michigan

Ohio State at Washington

Arkansas at Alabama

September 20th

Texas A&M at Miami (FL)

September 22nd

Georgia at Alabama

Michigan State at Notre Dame

September 29th

Auburn at Florida

Maryland at Rutgers


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 08, 2007, 05:16:59 pm
Big/Important HCAC Games:

September 1st

TMC at Hanover (Game #1 in the Jim Hilvert Era at TMC)

September 8th

Franklin at Wabash (Possibly the BIGGEST game of any HCAC team)

October 6th

Hanover at Mount Saint Joe (Always a physical brawl)

October 13th

Franklin at Mt. St. Joseph (90% chance of determining HCAC championship)

October 27th

Defiance at Mt. St. Joseph (IF MSJ beats FC, this game gets more interesting)

November 3rd

Defiance at Franklin (If FC beats MSJ, this game gets more interesting)

November 10th

Franklin at Hanover (If FC comes in needing a win for the HCAC title, this will be one of the best D3 games of the 2007 season)
   
Thomas More at Mt. St. Joseph (Jim Hilvert returns)
 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 08, 2007, 06:03:36 pm
September 1st:

Appalachian State at Michigan

this one caught my eye on my flight up to chicago this morning looking through Lindy's preseason mag.  that ASU offense is fun to watch and the QB is sick.  if UM does nto come to play that could eb the upset of the century and provide Has_been with somehtign he has been looking for "lloyd carr's head on a platter"
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 08, 2007, 06:15:21 pm
i agree that appy st is good. i am not buying that they have a snowballs shot in hell of beating the university of michigan though.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 08, 2007, 06:34:45 pm
3-6 Ball State went toe to toe with 9-0 Michigan in the Big House last year. I think ASU is a better team than BSU and if Michigan is thinking of using ASU as a warm up game, they will be beaten.

Anyone ever been to St. Simons Island? I'll be heading down there with my mom. Need some stuff to do.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 08, 2007, 10:30:01 pm
ok, but ball st is a IA football program. Appy st. is IAA. Division II teams often play IAA teams and play them well. There is a huge gap in talent from IAA to IA. while i love watching app st play, michigan can call them a warm-up, scrimmage, 7 on 7, flag, jv team and still easily coast to sound victory. imagine going from playing USC and all their talent, to a IAA team. from somebody who has seen these levels of play at a close, in your face level, i would say both sides involved know it's a scrimmage.

it is way different when you play a mac team, and even they don't compete. they'll be boise state in ten years, but not now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on August 08, 2007, 10:34:53 pm
Hanover has roughly 85 players coming into camp this year.  They have a decent QB or at least I think he has some potential.  It might be a long year.  On a side note, the fun police at HC kicked one of the fraternities off of campus which is a shame since they always had a heavy football player membership.  New guys can come on over across the street to Phi Delt though, former home of HC football legends such as Kevin O'Donahue, Tarrik Wilson, Brett Dietz, and of course, yours truly.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 09, 2007, 12:11:17 am
ok, but ball st is a IA football program. Appy st. is IAA. Division II teams often play IAA teams and play them well. There is a huge gap in talent from IAA to IA. while i love watching app st play, michigan can call them a warm-up, scrimmage, 7 on 7, flag, jv team and still easily coast to sound victory. imagine going from playing USC and all their talent, to a IAA team. from somebody who has seen these levels of play at a close, in your face level, i would say both sides involved know it's a scrimmage.

it is way different when you play a mac team, and even they don't compete. they'll be boise state in ten years, but not now.

vbell:

For the most part, you are right.  However, what you describe is not always true.  You forget that people said that about Central Michigan when they beat Michigan State two years in a row.  I can guarantee you that was no fluke.  On occasion also, the MAC teams do beat a Big Ten team.  In fact, Joe Tiller was quoted as saying about 4 years ago or so that Big Ten teams shouldn't be playing MAC type teams due to the ramifications of potentially getting beat.  IMO, that's ridiculous - if they are so good (which, of course, they usually are), then they should beat the heck out of the MAC teams.  No reason not to have those games scheduled for non-conference games - even if a Big Ten team loses, they still have a chance at gaining a bowl game if they rebound, and especially with the proliferation of bowl games at present.  Yet, I agree with you in your analogies about the various levels playing each other - the majority of time, the upper level teams will win.  However, it is great when the others pull an upset on occasion.  I always root for the underdog ;D  Just MO 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 09, 2007, 08:45:31 am
now THIS is more like it....

hasbeen,

I saw where they were picked 4th in the PAC.  I think alot of that has to do with the changes at TMC....new staff, replacing some key defensive players and OL.  I think the returnees will be ready and with a group of great freshman, the future is bright.  Back to this season....the Saints have a QB/RB tandem they are excited about...we'll see what happens on September 1st at Hanover. 

tricksnaps,

welcome back.  hopefully the "fun police" won't be deterring our drinking at the season opener.   Have you seen Wells recently?  Married with child...can't say I saw that coming. 

sayer,

looks like MSJ might have the last week circled on the calendar?  maybe a star or two as well?  As I said above, I'm looking forward to what this staff is able to do this year.  It is going to be a big change not seeing Coach Hallett on the sideline. 

Did someone mention Manchester winning against an out of conference opponent?  wow...that would open some eyes, even if it is Tri-State. 

I think your darkhorse/spoiler in the HCAC this year is going to be Hanover.   I think Defiance lost too much D in their defensive line, and jury is still out on the offense.  They've taken some drastic measures putting Taylor in charge of the O, and I think this may lead to the pressing to make plays as they are trying to get away from.  Hanover is going to be out to earn respect and that I think wins them 7 games this year....but not enough to win the HCAC. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 09, 2007, 10:52:58 am
I still disagree. Troy started off a couple years ago 2-0 beating 2 nationally ranked teams. Now they were DI and not DI-AA...BUT they had just made the switch a year or two previous.

When Marshall made the switch, they continued to have success playing DI ball and throwing players like Randy Moss, Chad Penington, and Byron Leftwich to name a few into the NFL.

Just because you play DI-AA doesn't mean you don't have talent to compete with DI. Troy and Marshall had DI-AA players on their rosters when they started playing DI games and still had successful years. There's a 95% chance Michigan will win. However, if ASU can play with them and gains confidence, this could be a nail biter and it wouldn't suprise me if Michigan lost.

Speaking of Michigan. Is anyone else drinking the Chad Henne Kool-Aide? He's been an average QB at Michigan for 3 years and now he's a Heisman hopeful? He's the 3rd best position player on his team.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 09, 2007, 11:09:31 am
I'm the biggest OSU fan on this board and I am stating bold and loud. Ohio State is not a top 10 team as they are ranked pre season. They should be in that 15-20 range. This is what I hate about DI football. OSU is ranked 10th for one reason. Recent success. 55-9 the last 5 years. Take out the 2004 year they are 47-5 (.903 win percentage). SICK!!!

Here's OSU's schedule:

09/01 YSU 
09/08 Akron 
09/15 at Washington
09/22 N'western 
09/29 at Minnesota 
10/06 at Purdue 
10/13 Kent St 
10/20 Mich St 
10/27 at Penn State 
11/03 Wisconsin
11/10 Illinois
11/17 at Michigan

It is VERY possible with the ease of this schedule, that they will be 11-0 going to Michigan.  And we all know Jimmy Tressel is 5-1 against Michigan beating them when he shouldn't have and beating them when he should have. The toughest game before Michgan will be Wisconsin at the Horseshoe 10 weeks into the season. Washington will be tough but Ty Willingham is still in the building years there. OSU can be 12-0 at the end of this campaign.

Is what this will do, if it happens, will screw mid-majors like Boise State, Utah, etc. who have great seasons and can't get into a BCS bowl or National Championship game. I would like it for more than the obvious reasons because it will put more pressure on bringing a playoff to DI football.

***Please note OSU does have USC, Cal, and Miami (FL) on the schedule for home and homes in the comming years. This easy non conference schedule is just a fluke and oddly enough, happend an at extremely opportuned time.***
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 09, 2007, 12:01:31 pm
"For the most part, you are right.  However, what you describe is not always true.  You forget that people said that about Central Michigan when they beat Michigan State two years in a row.  I can guarantee you that was no fluke.  On occasion also, the MAC teams do beat a Big Ten team."

100% correct. I think the MAC has really good football and some really good teams. I also think the MAC could give some of the larger conferences a run for their money. CMU had a quality program and they won. Miami has had great years. The MAC is good football!!! The Big Ten is really about OSU, Michigan, Penn St, Wisconsin. The other teams in the Big Ten haven't earned my respect to say they can whip on the little MAC teams. Heck, they even give the big ones some serious games. IMO they should do away with the BCS conferences because they are not doing the other conferences justice. Who is to say that CMU or BOISE ST can't win against a big time team? am i to believe that Kansas and Indiana can give them better competition than CMU, Boise St, Bowling Green, etc?

My only argument is that IAA is a big jump. Those teams that jumped up had planned accordingly and had the DI players in place. Usually they will recruit with that in mind, and that's part of their selling points to get the better players. However, in recent years this has happened:
A few D3 teams have POUNDED some very good D2 teams and some D2 teams have beaten some IAA's. I am not talking about the IAA non-scholly's either.

20 years ago I would have said you are crazy. But with the scholarship reductions, you have finally seen the shift in college football where the former little guys can get the players they need to compete on the national scene. It has taken some time to work it's way out, but it has been great for college. IMO the college football game would be improved dramatically by getting rid of the BCS tag and allowing the teams to recruit the same players. we all know that when FSU or USC or OSU recruits, the BCS and the national title is part of their selling points. Take that away and every team can say they will have an opportunity to play for the national championship. The scholarships evened out has helped, but they are still hampering the nonBCS conferences with the BCS tag. If that happens, you will see many more of the non traditionals competing. i am really pulling for the playoff system because i think it will finally level the playing field in DI to a truly fair system of play. then i guess the recruiting will come down to stadium size, tradition, starting a tradition, and the ever growing arms race in football ammenities to attract these athletes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 09, 2007, 02:49:27 pm
victory,

it doesn't count if the Big 10 team in question was coached by John L. Smith!

sayer,

I truly believe that Kentucky State is going to beat the Buckeyes this year...wait...thats Kent State?  OK. 

honestly, I think all the offense they lost is going to catch up with them early on.  They'll lose twice and beat up on Ann Arbor, again.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 09, 2007, 03:51:51 pm
sure it does, john L came highly recommended as a top notch football coach. sadly, he has dropped off some, but it counts. it counts like when you play strip poker and the hot girls win and you are stuck with the lardbacca to stare at. it's not right, but those are the way it plays out sometimes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 09, 2007, 04:49:23 pm
D3 football. Strip poker, fun in the sun, and football. Nothing better. Found some interesting points in VBell's comment.

"IMO the college football game would be improved dramatically by getting rid of the BCS tag and allowing the teams to recruit the same players. we all know that when FSU or USC or OSU recruits, the BCS and the national title is part of their selling points. Take that away and every team can say they will have an opportunity to play for the national championship. The scholarships evened out has helped, but they are still hampering the nonBCS conferences with the BCS tag. If that happens, you will see many more of the non traditionals competing."

I think this is an interesting point and could work out and even things up a little bit, but it would take a lot of time. Sure, some new blood emerges every now and then and lasts for a couple years but overall programs are established. Ohio State, Southern Cal, Texas, Florida, Michigan, etc. Teams who even when they have a down year are usually 8-4/9-3 and still bidding for a solid bowl (unless your in trouble like OU). Other than Boise State and TCU, mid majors typically have 1 or 2 great years and then they play average ball for a couple years before having another breakout year. Many times you also have to wonder at the difficulty of the schedule and if that plays into some of the rare mid-major success stories. Look up TCU's schedule and W-L record since 2002 on espn.com and tell me if they played in the Big East, a conference not even listed among the best BCS conferences, if they would be close.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 10, 2007, 11:35:25 am
"To the Liberty Bowl!"
"L- Yes!"

Tricksnaps is probably the only one that gets this...

Word is John L is back in Louisville living off the money the Spartans threw away.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 10, 2007, 12:13:02 pm
Michigan State should just accept the fact that they will always be in the shadow of Michigan & just try to get those diamonds in the rough for a recruiting stand point.  They are wasting money on coaches the same way the Lions do.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 10, 2007, 12:31:19 pm
I partly agree, but people said the same words or worse about Rutgers and look where they are. It's always possible for a team to have one good year and sometimes that's all it takes. If Michigan State can muster a top 10 ranking and a 11-2/10-3 record, that gives there recruiting a solid backbone. Is Dantonio the man to do it. I don't know but I would assume he's a better coach than John L Smith who had the talent at MSU to win some ball games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 10, 2007, 02:31:48 pm
Rutgers also is the only MAJOR college program in the state of New Jersey....NOT a hotbed for HS Talent, I know...but still.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 10, 2007, 02:47:09 pm
New Jersey can't be that bad in high school talent, JoePa recruited HEAVILY there for thousands of years before the new millenium.

One good thing about Michigan St. football that you couldn't say about the former Rutgers teams, they pack over 80,000 in Spartan stadium each saturday. They also have some very good years and WIN bowl games. They are just so incosistent and when you have Michigan (for the most part) being so consistent over the decades, you mauy play second fiddle. On a curious note, Michigan State was pretty darn good during the 60's when Michigan was down. And they did have a solid 1980's. Most fans will tell you that the state of Michigan is split on who to root for, the Snobby Wolverines or the Blue Collar Spartans.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 10, 2007, 04:18:20 pm
victory,

JoePA hit up mostly Northern NJ....namely Hoboken, Newark and the surrounding areas of NYC.  Have you seen the Sopranos?  when they go to central and southern NJ to dump a body, they were doing that down there for a reason....nobody around.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 11, 2007, 02:24:04 am
That lines up with me. I'm blue collar and will never root for the wolverines. Even if God himself is a Michigan fan, I will hate them. I do hope someone from the Big Ten steps up. Word around is Zooker has a very solid class at Illinois.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 11, 2007, 03:43:11 am
Saintsfan:

Part of Coach Schiano's(sp?) strategy in turning Rutgers around was actually keeping the in state talent in state.  Oddly enough New Jersey does push out some very good football players on a yearly basis and he has amazing success in recruiting them.  Obviously his ties in the Miami area help as does the fact that you will see Rutgers billboards in the Miami-Dade area.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 11, 2007, 02:51:46 pm
florida recruiting is key because there are so many players there! i don't think the florida football player is better, i think there are a lot more players. hence, you will find more good football players. you are right about the hoboken area, paterno has owned that in the past. 

zook has a super awesome class coming in. word on the street is that he is bringing in a class like tressell did at osu. now, if he can keep it up and win, illinois could be the next big thing.

i have only watched some of the sopranos, what i know of new jersey is based off the movie snake eyes.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 12, 2007, 09:17:37 am
VBell agree that for the most part there is a big jump from 1AA to Bowl Series, BUT there is just as large if not larger a jump from the top 5-10 (depending on year not always  more than a handful) in 1AA from the rest of 1AA.  why becuase there a handful of programs that scrounge 1A players.  you get caught smoking dope at Michigan and get kicked out you finish your career at 1AA.  when my brother coached at Western Illinois they were all 1A players.  they had 4 guys drafted his last year.  with the best being Mr Edgerton Hartwell now of the Cincy Bengals, their corner was the nickel corner for Michigan when they one the national championship.  2 of the 4 guys drafted were Jr's.

App State is one of the best 1AA teams in the last 20 years.  they should beat anyone in the MAC, they should lose to Michigan by 28, but if Michigan takes week one off they will be in a dog fight.  App state offense will put up 30+ pts even is Michigan plays well.    no different than if Mount Union was playing the bottom of D2 i would take MUC, if they played Grand Valley they would have a chance if Grand Valley was not hitting on all cylinders
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 12, 2007, 11:02:56 am
i think you guys need to spend some time at the IAA and IA practices, or D3 and D2 practices. Mount would beat a lot of AVERAGE DII teams, they wouldn't touch the top 25. mount union may not even beat the DII's in their own state!! and please don't say Urbana or Malone. I am talking Ashland, Findlay, Tiffin.  Last time GVSU played a IAA playoff team, they beat them pretty sound at home. GVSU gets IA transfers who played IA ball. not the IA guys who were either walk-ons or 4th stringers. Mount gets a lot of transfers who fall into the latter, from what i have been told. of course, you have your exceptions, but you get my point. mount still puts a team on the field with mostly solid D3 players and above average D3 players who transfer in. it's a good combo to win with. Grand Valley wins with above average D2 players, and a good core of DI transfers to compliment that.

there is just a large bridge to cross when you jump up a division. you are dealing with scholarships, expectations of the program (GVSU runs their program like a big ten program, not for the DIII experience), a different brand of athlete (for good or bad), and the resources of playing scholarship football.

i think app st is awesome for IAA. i think IAA has been watered down the last 5 years, and i think michigan will crush them and send them back to reality land. if i am wrong, i will come on here, apologize, let you all flog me, dump mayonaise on me, and dump me in the pit with 300 lb women and donuts.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 12, 2007, 12:22:39 pm
vitorybell:

Zook has always been a great recruiter, even at Florida he had no trouble with the recruiting aspect.  It has been turning the talent into W's that he has had a hard time with.  I would love to see a competitve Illinois again, whats it been 6 years since they were relevant, back when they had Kurt Kitner and were winning games?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 12, 2007, 08:44:53 pm
my guess is win or lose you will still be up for volunteering for "dump mayonaise on me, and dump me in the pit with 300 lb women and donuts."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 12, 2007, 10:33:31 pm
vbell:

I agree with most of what you say; although minor exception - Mount Union, IMO, would beat Tiffin and Findlay.  I've seen them play and quite frankly, Findlay has not been that good of recent and while Tiffin has markedly improved their program as DII, Mount's best teams of recent would beat them.  Now Ashland is a different story - they are better than most people think and have improved.  I also think that Mount would hold their own against, say, Mich Tech, Northern MI, Mercyhurst, Gannon, Wayne State and perhaps even Hillsdale, these being the lesser successful DII Great Lakes teams of recent.  GVSU, SVSU, Ferris, Northwood Mount would give a good game, but have a tough time beating them most likely.

As far as the DIAA's, I think you are right.  Many of us have had these discussions in the past.  I would just add, however, that DIAA non-scholarship is not always just high tier type DIII football.  On occasion, those former scholarship giving schools do well against other scholarship programs - San Diego beat Yale in Harbaugh's last year as head coach quite handly as I recall and Ivy League is no slouch DIAA football.  Yet, for the most part (with the exception of the Montana State type fluke that happened last year), I agree with you about the DI vs. DIAA aspect.  Still, IMO, it is great to see those occasional upsets.  Thanks for your opinion on the topic. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 13, 2007, 09:13:21 am
formerd3db,

hope things are well.  IMO, Mount would beat Northwood handily....and i think you are right on with everything else.  Talent may be about the same, but you also have to look at coaching. 

someone start filling that mayonnaise tub for V-bell.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 13, 2007, 09:14:14 am
this also reminds me....


is Ditka coaching any of the teams involved??  That would change my answer...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 13, 2007, 01:44:01 pm
i would gladly take a tub of mayo and 300 pound chicks. what could be better? more girl, more love.

"I also think that Mount would hold their own against, say, Mich Tech, Northern MI, Mercyhurst, Gannon, Wayne State and perhaps even Hillsdale, these being the lesser successful DII Great Lakes teams of recent.  GVSU, SVSU, Ferris, Northwood Mount would give a good game, but have a tough time beating them most likely."

dear lady of victory, pray for us. is this DIII pride or some honest opinions here? i like to follow the midwest football a lot, and i will offer this before i am dumped in mayo and dangled in front of the chubby women. or at least offered up as a sacrifice to oprah. there is no way that mount will hold a game against the GVSUs/SVSUs/FSUs/Northwoods of the GLIAC. it wouldn't even be a good game. it would be great to see the DIII champ play the DII champ for a great PR stunt, that's it.  for one, they recruit DI players and really high end DII players. they get a lot of DI transfers. they play the toughest schedules in the nation at DII. they are used to playing really big fast mean people each week. mount plays in the OAC. while it is great DIII football, the GLIAC is the best in DII. forget that findlay, gannon, and mercyhurst haven't dented the gliac in eons, mount would be in severe trouble against the rest of the conference.

nobody likes and respects what mount union is more than me, i think the world of them as a program and their tradition. it will never be duplicated in our lifetimes. the bottom line is the GLIAC has more players going to the NFL and CFL each year than DIII has in the past 10 years, or pretty darn close to it. besides the turdburglers in the lower portion of the GLIAC, the rest of the teams are all about 1 or 2 players away from finishing in the top 2-3. the league is that close and that means no games off.

Aug 30th 7:00 pm St. Joseph's Home
Sep 8th 7:00 pm Ashland Away
Sep 15th 7:00 pm Findlay Home
Sep 22nd 1:00 pm Michigan Tech Away
Sep 29th 7:00 pm Wayne State (MI) Home
Oct 6th 1:30 pm Mercyhurst Away
Oct 13th 7:00 pm Indianapolis  Home
Oct 20th 12:00 pm Northwood  Away
Oct 27th 7:00 pm Ferris State  Home
Nov 3rd 12:00 pm Saginaw Valley  Away
Nov 10th 1:00 pm Northern Michigan Home

Michigan Tech played GVSU to a brutal game in front of 65k at michigan stadium (http://www.bashatthebighouse.com/) and tech always has some massive players. oh, and they run the ball very well. physically, mount wouldn't hold up. they couldn't contain northern michigan's qb, and would have problems in the dome, as every team does. not a single team in the GLIAC could stop wayne's rb last year, and he was a true freshman. already being scouted by the NFL as a possible walter payton. i am not sure mount union would fare better against him. hillsdale is much better than you give them credit. small, private school, playing in league with state powerhouses, and they will win the conference every 5-6 years. very good when their enrollment is about 1000 and gvsu is around 25,000. every team that plays hillsdale says one thing, they hit as hard or harder than every team in the league. ashland won 3 games last year, and still played the top 4 teams to one score ball games. and yes, they are huge, fast, and powerful. just not as huge and as fast and as powerful as the other ones. tiffin finished the year as an outside shot to make the playoffs.

bring in the fact that you haven't mentioned the university of indianapolis, which would physically overpower mount, and that leaves you with the best of the rest. if the teams giving out scholarships and paying for their players can't beat the top 3-4 every year, why would mount union do any better? or make it competitive? they are a great D3 team, unless they move up or schedule one of those teams, the talk ends there. mount may have a better qb (which is at a premium in D2) or a receiver here and there, but the overall team can't hold up.

michigan: 49
app st: 10

i want mayo, fat chicks, donuts, and a trained asian to fight off anything getting weird in there. i love your opinions, but you need to go see these games in person, get a sideline pass, watch a practice, or something to see the enormous difference between D3 and D2, or D2 and IAA, and IAA and IA. better yet, call a coach at one of the GLIAC schools who has coached at the different levels and ask him. or call kehres and see if he'll schedule a D2. mount would make an upset against the struggling D2's, but it stops there. the bada$$ non-scholly D2's that make it in the playoffs against the GLIAC get whooped on. The PSAC (scholarship restrictions previously down to 25) got whooped on. mount, would get whooped on.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 13, 2007, 01:46:59 pm
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Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 13, 2007, 08:33:15 pm
SaintsFAN:

I am doing well.  Alot has been going on "familywise", etc., but we're doing okay.  Hope you are doing well.  Yes, pretty much agree with you as well.  Good luck to your TMC this year in their league.  We'll keep in touch.

vbell:

Again, for the most part, I agree with you re: GVSU, SVSU.  However, I too, follow GLIAC football and, as I said, with Mount's best teams of recent years, IMO, they would give a good game to some of those other teams, with the exception of GVSU.  Mount's 2001 team especially (which I saw play in the Stagg) - they were massive - averaged 305 on starting off and def lines (only 2 lbs less than Ohio State that year) and Mount was not slow.  BTW, just for the record, the Mich Tech/GVSU game at Michigan Stadium that you mention was just over 51,000 in attendance (not 65 k) and they outdrew Eastern Mich/Central Mich on the very same day at Rynearson Stadium which only had 25,000 in attendance (okay, so we quabble over a few thousand spectators ;D). ;)

While I am very glad Mich Tech saved their program, they indeed had a fantastic year that year.  However, most years, a good Mount team or similar caliber would either beat them or give them a great game.  Same with Northwood (I've seen them from a coaching standpoint as well).  Agree with you that Hillsdale is tough as well.  Don't misunderstand me by any means, the DII caliber of the Great Lakes is by far the best in the country (even better than those North Alabama teams that won a few years ago, IMO) and would smash most of DIII (except perhaps the best Stagg champions in recent years - St. John's, Wis-Lacrosse in the mid90's, Mount's best as mentioned and that good Linfield team).  Anyway, it is great to see such good football at DII level develop in the last couple of decades and especially recently.

See you around the boards.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 13, 2007, 10:09:26 pm
"Only" 25,000 at Rynearson is the stadium record - and since they recently were forced to admit to extreme inflation of announced attendance (often double or triple the real figures), even that may be an overstatement.  Their usual attendance is 4-6,000 (a high proportion of which are 'freebies'), and they are in imminent danger of being dropped from d1A for low attendance.  I have attended some EMU games where the total crowd would have been an embarassment at a few d3 schools.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 13, 2007, 10:55:14 pm
Mr. Ypsi:

Good to see you posting.  Hope your summer has been going well.  Quick question; I should know this but somehow am "drawing a blank" right now - how is Eastern going to deal with maintaining their DI status in football?  That is, what options do they have i.e. does a school have in that regard including attendance?  I recall you reviewed this for us previously, but have forgotten.  Also, with the new reclassification to Bowl Division and College Championship Division for DI (i.e. formerly DIA and DIAA), how does this play into effect for, say, the MAC type schools?  What is your understanding on this?  Thanks.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 13, 2007, 11:34:03 pm
we will have to agree to disagree on the mount thing. i have also seen the mount team from 2001, and that was the year they had a barn burner with BW. BW plays them usually the toughest, and BW, well, you get my point. i do love mount though, and highly respect them.

new topic so i can move past the mayo

eastern michigan will not have to drop down a division. this has been widely discussed in many circles, and the DII boards. the ncaa made the "rule" to help encourage higher attendance, but is actually very lenient on pulling the trigger. they are happy with EMU's DI status, even as poor as they are in football.

on a side note, since we are talking upsets, DI EMU got their tails whipped by DII northern michigan in 1978-1979. of course, this was the period of NMU's national championship team, and they were gvsu, before gvsu was gvsu, and before FSU was gvsu in a now gvsu dominant league. since i have been harping on the upset thing, go ahead and dump mustard on me. it should be noted, however, that NMU was a powerhouse, placing 6 players on NFL rosters and 8 more in the CFL (they basically are canadian anyway) while dumping on a EMU team that was listless and had a hard time beating a schedule with a few D3's and D2's on it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 13, 2007, 11:36:15 pm
oh, and that schedule i posted earlier was gvsu's, in case anybody wanted to hit up a game. they are "down this year" after graduated 5 nfl players, and some more to other cirlces of pro football, they have a strong nucleus returning.

pat, what are the odds that the mount and a top tier D2 team would ever play? i know it happens in some spots around the nation.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 13, 2007, 11:38:13 pm
Soon after the expanded stadium opened, they (probably) legitimately averaged a little over 20,000 (I believe the d1A requirement is 17,000?) through really intense marketing and promotions (though many, perhaps even most, of the tickets were still freebies) - that may have been the year you cited, I don't recall for sure.  They play an annual game at Ford Field which they get to count in their home average, so they probably only need to average 12-13,000 at Rynearson to stay in d1A.  But between constantly losing (and, even worse, being a bit boring) and being a predominantly commuter school (plus, of course, the 800-pound gorilla 8 miles to the west), I just don't think they can honestly (hence the urge to inflate) draw enough year in and year out to stay d1A.

The problem is, several MAC schools have no trouble meeting the NCAA attendance requirement.  There is NO WAY the entire MAC would consent to going down, no one wants to break up the core of the MAC (a few schools have come and gone in recent years, but the core has been around for a long time), and EMU's main rivals are Western, Central, and Toledo (in general, plus others for specific sports).  They have no natural rivals who play d1AA, and NO WAY would they (willingly) consent to join Grand Valley, etc.

In nearly every other sport they are highly competitive in the MAC, and even dominate in a few (and are nationally competitive in a couple).  My personal preference would be that they throw in the towel on football (a major financial drain at a school that can hardly afford any more drains!), but I don't think the administration would ever consider it and don't know if the MAC would permit it.

They've dodged the NCAA bullet for over a decade now (sometimes properly, sometimes by shenanigans); I'll guess they'll continue to do so for awhile, but I think their days are numbered.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 14, 2007, 12:00:39 am
I don't think there's any incentive for a top-level D-II school to play Mount Union. I'd love to see it happen, though I don't think it would be very good for the D-III fans. It shouldn't be that close.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 14, 2007, 03:33:37 pm
i talked to a mount guy last summer. they always thought it would be neat to play the DII champs with the DIII champs. they had no preconceived notions about the game, just thought it would be a cool thing to do. maybe a scrimmage? who knows.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 14, 2007, 08:52:35 pm
Mr. Ypsi and vbell:

Thanks for the follow-up.  You both might recall, that back in the mid-'80's Central was among the "ring leaders" that tried to get Eastern kicked out of the MAC.  I was quite upset at Central for doing that (IMO, it was done quite unprofessional and underhandedly and for that, I have kind of "snickered" and glad to see CMU "get kicked around" for awhile those few years until their recent success.  You know that old saying..."what goes around, comes around". ;D  Nonetheless, Eastern proved them and the others wrong when they kicked everybody else's tails thereafter, winning the MAC and the California Bowl.

I know what you mean about the struggle that EMU has faced with football.  However, I hope they continue it; everyone said that about Northwestern and Wayne State (and even Olivet on our level), but those schools have proven that they can be respectable.  I think EMU can do it too - not easy and not always winning seasons, but if those other 3 schools I mention can do it, so can EMU.  Just MO.  Again, thanks for your input and opinions.

 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 14, 2007, 11:42:21 pm
former,

Yes, the California Bowl win was glorious (especially as the Cali team was favored by 3 TDs!), but that was 20 years ago, and the payoff was having the coach plucked away by a Cali team!  Since then it has been losing season after losing season (I think they may have gone 6-5 one year with Charlie Batch at qb).

MAYBE they'll turn it around in my lifetime, but I'm not holding my breath (that would considerably shorten my lifetime). ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on August 15, 2007, 03:55:17 pm
The MAC is going no where because believe it or not they are still a respectable conference and still take in a nice revenue just from BIG 10 schools that contract them out for their seasons openers.  So they will always stay DI unless the schools administration decides other wise that giving scholarships for those athletics is a nonsense.

Worst thing comes to worst ESPN and other channels drops national coverage of the Conference because a Akron @ Bowling Green Game can't bring in more that 6,000 fans on a wet Thursday night.  But then again what other rival game are they going to broadcast.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 15, 2007, 07:02:24 pm
that game was brutal, i know exactly which one you are talking about.

what happened to miami of ohio last year? anybody know what's going on over there?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on August 15, 2007, 07:21:24 pm
M and L:
Good points! ;)  How about Miami of Ohio vs. Ohio??? ;D (Not!, but then again, they just might do that!)

vbell:
Are you talking about the EMU California Bowl win or the Akron vs. Bowling Green game? ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 16, 2007, 12:30:53 am

Worst thing comes to worst ESPN and other channels drops national coverage of the Conference because a Akron @ Bowling Green Game can't bring in more that 6,000 fans on a wet Thursday night.  But then again what other rival game are they going to broadcast.

Don't know that I'd consider Bowling Green and Akron as a rivalry, on par with BGSU's history against Miami, OU, or "Toodleedoo".  What was the payout to the MAC to alter schedules from their traditional weekends?  After attending the BC-Central game last Labor Day weekend (another Thursday nighter), which was an entertaining matchup, there must have been some type of financial incentive to both institutions and conferences.  Regardless, any football matchup beats the alternative of Texas Hold 'Em and old B&L aviator glasses.  Even "Earl" gets more karma than that drivel, on Thursday.  

Actually, I found the Akron game rather interesting, when the cameras could penetrate the rain and fog.  Wouldn't relish the groundskeeping job at Doyt Perry, the next day, though, unless planting spring wheat.  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 16, 2007, 02:02:57 pm
i was referring to the bgsu/akon game. very windy, muddy, foggy, pretty typical for northwestern ohio weather. looked like june there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 16, 2007, 11:19:47 pm
Next to Carlos Snow, the best running back to come out of Cincinnati is now a BGSU Alum. PJ Pope was unbelieveable and if I'm not mistaken...was a 3-year starter at BG. He played during the 2-year stretch (2004-2005 I believe) when BG was playing damn good ball and also had that stud African American QB (his name slips my mind currently). He's by far better than DeShawn Wynn who got drafted. They both played in the same league at the same time. CHL, a small school conference that has produced some big time players...including myself :)

I think top level teams from a lower division can compete with bottom dwellers of a higher division. I think the gap gets closer the higher you go in divisions. Can ASU play and beat schools like bottom feeding MAC, C-USA, WAC schools...I think they can. Again, Last year, at The Big House, Ball State played Michigan toe to toe.  I've seen the type of players who go to low teir DI schools and in all reality, they are not that impressive. We had OL at MSJ better than 3 guys (O-linemen) who got scholarships to Ball State and Buffalo and our starting 3 LB's were better than some guys I know who played in the smart school league.

If anyone gets a chance to travel to North Florida (Fernadina Beach specifically) or are just passing by, take some time to fish with JacketsFan. He's awsome. We had a great time fishing, catching little sharks, and watching my mom and brother get sea sick. It's not everyday you meet and old fart who still does things like he's 25 again. The only scary thing is...he looks like Bill Venard to the V...for those who know what Bill Venard looked like. We pulled up and I thought Holy Sh!t, it's my old O-line coach.

Regardless, I had a blast and will make it a point to make it down again. Thanks again Joe for the good time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 17, 2007, 08:06:05 am
Bill Venard/JacketsFAN??

You're chitting me?  wow..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 17, 2007, 11:20:15 am
when BG was playing damn good ball and also had that stud African American QB (his name slips my mind currently).

Omar Jacobs?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 17, 2007, 02:55:01 pm
that's him i believe
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 18, 2007, 08:34:37 am
wasnt their another kid just before Omar that was a stud and they were the same style.  back when Urban Meyer was the coach and right after he went to Utah.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 18, 2007, 04:01:50 pm
i think you are right. urban's offense at bgsu sort of sparked that pistol offense at nevada, and a lot of the shotgun play we are seeing. smart coach, but i have a feeling he takes very old school football and meshes it with the modern spread. some would even say he is wise, yoda like, like a master coach.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 18, 2007, 06:56:09 pm
I believe the main QB during Urban's BGSU tenure was Josh Harris (he came on for Sam Ahmes, midseason in 2001) and was responsible for their wins over Purdue in West Lafayette (Kyle Orton's club) and Northwestern, up in Detroit.  He did get knocked around pretty well in the MAC championship game by Miami and Roethlesberger and Mike Larkin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 18, 2007, 07:13:24 pm
Haven't been on the screen in a couple of days. Just got back from the beach fishing (Sayer, you missed it today. I caught the biggest damned whiting I've ever seen in my life) and saw Adam Sayer's post about he and his family's fishing trip aboard the good ship Play'n Hooky. It was a real pleasure getting to meet and hang out with you guys. I wish we would've caught more fish but that's why they call it fishing instead of catching. All right, Adam, I was going to be a gentleman and not out your poor mom and brother for getting seasick. But since you did, I'll put in my two cents worth. Did you notice that the whiting didn't start biting till your mom started hurling off my side of the boat? It was better than frozen chum. Tell her to take the Bonine next time and she won't get sick. It was pretty warm out that day, though. Tell Stacie and your brothers howdy for me.

Thanks for the age compliment, dude. Aging is all a state of mind. And since I'm pretty mindless most of the time, it goes to say I'm ageless, as well. A life well spent doesn't mean coasting up to the pearly gates in a sleek new ride. It means barrelling in sideways in a beat up old heap with all four tires smoking and the engine screaming and yelling at the tops of your lungs, "Whooooeee! What a damn ride, dude!"

Ahhh yes! Fall's definitely in the air! Football and hurricanes. Surf all morning, watch football in the afternoon. It don't get any better I tell ya.

Okay, I'm outta here like Sayer's little brother's breakfast.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 19, 2007, 09:29:20 am
Josh Harris is the guy i was thinking of. thanks Cave2bens.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 19, 2007, 12:45:41 pm
i caught a turtle once, just once. i have a feeling i wouldn't make it as a fisherman.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 19, 2007, 05:55:19 pm
The next morning I fished off the surf in St. Simons and caught 2 Sting Rays. The only thing I could think of was Steve Irwin. The first one was about 8 pounds and faught like a SOB. The second, was big. He was about 18-20 inches in diameter and probably 15-18 pounds. Can you eat Sting Ray?

Anyone ever look to see who's wearing your old number? I did. So Matt Rosenberger, a 6-3, 270 pound, DL from Oak Hills better wear #60 proud. And MSJ is blessed with another athlete from Da Park. A WR named Jamie Gooch.

And I was in Lids yesterday and saw something very disturbing....there were 2 different TMC hats, but no MSJ hat. I was just a little upset.

Another side note. HS football in Ohio starts in 5 days. College in 13.

 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 19, 2007, 10:05:27 pm
Hell yea you can eat sting ray. They're really tasty cut up into nuggets, rolled in cracker crumbs and pan fried. Really sweet meat. They do fight, don't they? I caught a ten lb jack today. He  damn near spooled me on the first run.

HS Football starts here with jamboree next Friday nite. Barring my own death, I will be there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 20, 2007, 10:50:41 pm
I think I'm going to take a job at Purcell volunteering and scouting on Friday Nights.

Macke, did you ever get a Job or are you just subbing?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 20, 2007, 11:32:59 pm
vick: going to jail.

what are your thoughts? will he play in the NFL again? some guys on espn said he'd play CFL.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 21, 2007, 12:24:27 am
vick: going to jail.

what are your thoughts? will he play in the NFL again? some guys on espn said he'd play CFL.

Americans have a notoriously short attention span, so who knows.  But I think he is probably too toxic for any owner to take a chance.  Being involved in 'drive-by' shootings or beating your wife is one thing, but murdering puppies is unforgiveable!  A sad commentary, certainly, but that's the society we live in, IMO.

As a human being, I hope he never returns.  As a football fan, I'm very sorry to see him go.  He may be the most electrifying player since Barry Sanders - every time he touched the ball it COULD be disaster or it COULD be a touchdown!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 21, 2007, 08:27:10 am
of course some team is going to take a chance on him when he's released...you'd be crazy not to...but interesting is what Berman and the boys said....probably not coming back as a QB.   They said developing as a QB is a continuous process.  Makes sense...I think its going to be tough for someone to take a flyer on him...i mean really.  I was thinking about the 9 and 10 year olds that I coached last year....we had a team outing after the season and 6 of them were wearing Vick jerseys....how in the hell are people supposed to explain to their kids what Vick did to be put away for two years or whatever??  I mean seriously....its a pretty heinous thing he did...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 21, 2007, 05:40:07 pm
Whoa, speaking of Michael Vick. Go to the McMurry University (DIII) football website and see what the press release says about Michael Vick Jr., aka Rashon Lewis. The press release writer managed to use the words "leader," and "great quarterback"  and "chemistry"  and "veteran quarterback" all in the same sentence with Rashon Lewis.

I know everything's bigger in Texas but damn, skippy.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 22, 2007, 12:49:12 am
To all:

Any idea yet on what type of offense Coach Taylor is going to be running at Defiance this fall?  I expect it to be hard nosed and have heard some rumblings about more Pro I stuff, but am wondering if anyone else has any other info.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 22, 2007, 09:19:06 am
jacketsfan,

he's #1 on their roster....just wait until the going gets tough....3-7 last year, it will.  We've seen here in the HCAC that he folds like a deck of cards....what do you think it will be like in THAT league (The ASC) for him??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on August 22, 2007, 11:13:16 am
I'm subbing agina this year For southwest schools.  I already have to days lined up for next week.

And I'm also coaching D line for them to.  I started out as a O line caoch put the day of our first scrimage our D line coach needed surgery and wasn't there.  So they decided to keep over their where i belong i guess.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on August 22, 2007, 11:13:57 am
Sounds like your vaca was fun, what else have you been up to?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 22, 2007, 08:29:14 pm
Vick could end up in Oakland or Dallas assuming Jerry or Al is still alive when he is no longer being a biatch to Bubba.  he will not be the same when he gets out...ask Tyson what a couple years in the Penn does to your skills.  Realistically that is going to be real hard time.  the serious criminals in the Penn dont like people who mess with Kids or Animals.  Mike Vick or not he is not going to be real popular in the joint and he is not going to Lebanon correctional, he is going to the federal penn, nasty mofo's like Lucasville
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 22, 2007, 09:21:37 pm
Not only is Vic probably going to do federal time, he most likely going to be on supervised release for a term of years after he gets out. In case you don't know, federal supervised release is like state probation on steroids. He'll have a huge list of do's and don'ts to comply with and the don't list will be way longer than the do list. The first time he smokes a joint or blows a line or gets drunk or gets caught making a bet, etc., etc., etc., he'll get his ass violated and hauled back into court, where the judge could sentence him to serve the remainder of his prison sentence. Keep in mind, the judge he got is a tough bastard. He's the one who threw the book at Scooter Libby. In addition, Vick's probation officer is likely to be a total dickhead who's drunk with power and will get off on jerking him around and making his life as hard as legally possible. All this assumes he doesn't get shanked in the yard by someone wanting to make a rep. My guess is that his football days are done.

SaintsFAN, Rashon Lewis is playing football in a tough conference. He's about to learn some hard lessons.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 23, 2007, 12:32:38 am
I cant imagine that after Vick gets done serving his prison sentence which will cause him to miss at least one season that Goodel wont have something else waiting.  I would find it hard to believe that he would be serving a suspension while in prison but rather serve the suspension after he gets out.  When you look at the big picture he will be suspended for at least one season if not more (if he pled to any gambling it could be a lifetime suspension).  Lets say that Goodel suspends him for two seasons, and he is in jail for one which has him missing three years of playing.  By the time it rolls around to him being able to sing, despite the terrible PR problems any team would face and the fact only a GM with the highest credibility ever could suggest signing him.  On top of these problems, the position of QB requires constant practice and learning as well as refining skills, for a marginal QB that Vick was returning after a three year layoff at that position is pretty much an impossiblity.  I could only see him returning as a WR or the like and dont think that his skill set at QB would even be able to compete at the NFL level after the time off he is looking at.  Prison alone will change alot, look at the way Jamal Lewis came out after serving 6 months and he has never been the same.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 23, 2007, 05:33:46 pm
VBell,

Just looking at the Franklin roster, and I recognized this name as a freshman kicker.

http://www.commercial-news.com/sports/local_story_264070845.html

I'm glad to see he's playing in college - we'll see what kind of PT he gets.  Hopefully he'll get a chance to play in Crawfordsville in a few weeks (but not too much!).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 23, 2007, 05:37:04 pm
But Jamal Lewis should return to some type of form. It wasn't like he was a Barry Sanders RB. He was a bruiser who ran straight and over people. As long as Cleveland's OL gets him room, he'll still be alright.

As far as Vick goes, I think you will see him back. He has more God-given ability than anyone else in the NFL. Just because you go to jail doesn't mean God takes back all that ability. The other stuff, i.e. mechanical and instinctual stuff such as throwing, pocket presence, etc. will only come back when he actually can get back to playing. He'll be a QB again because something about him tells me he won't play anywhere else (kind of like a certain MSJ QB last year). After he serves his 1 year jail sentence and additional 1-year suspension from the NFL, a team will pick him up. He'll still only be 29 and will have about 6-7 more years to play. Some of that time will be well spent as a back up getting re-adjusted to the NFL.

All you have to do is look at Tim Couch. He was horrible before leaving the NFL, has been gone for a couple years, and now a team has given him a chance. Mike Vick wasn't horrible, he was just an average QB. At least he has that ability to fall back on.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 23, 2007, 07:04:32 pm
You could be right, Adam, but I still think a stint in federal prison will end Vick's playing days in the NFL. I don't think it will be related to his talent because you're right, that much God given talent can't be taken away by time behind bars and a suspension. I think the totality of the experience will get to him. Prison has a tendency to sap people's optimism and outlook on life. Although federal prisons are run more efficiently than state prisons, they are grim places where the rules and the routines are so stifling it's unbearable. Plus, I think we're all underestimating the effects of negative publicity. Right or wrong, Vick is going to become the poster child for what happens to bad boy athletes who get conicted and go to prison and the court of public opinion and political correctness from the animal lovers is going to make it real hard for someone to justify hiring him. Plus, he's going to be on supervised release for at least three years, which is a further impediment to his freedom. Basically, he's going to be living with a federal probation officer perched on his shoulder. I wonder how many owners or coaches would feel comfortable with that situation. By the way, I made a mistake in my last post. I don't think it is the same judge who sentenced Scooter Libby.

One other thing, the Jaguars released Tim Couch Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 23, 2007, 07:36:29 pm
my guess is Vick gets more than a year.  Godell is suspending guys for a year for things a lot less than what vick is doing and that does not look at him running a gambling ring.

if vick takes another snap in the NFL it will be the day after Pete Rose is inducted into the HOF.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on August 23, 2007, 07:40:29 pm
what a crappy day, had a cusotmer ask for 10M worth of stuff free, then i get to the airport at 3 to run into a storm.  my 4:00 flight is cancelled get booked on the 6:00, another storm...cancelled.  now booked on  the 10:30 flight out of Chicago.  8 hrs at ohare and it is my birthday.

well at least i dont have to put on socks with handles like Vick!!

Jamal Lewis wont return to form...he is not wearing black and purple anymore when he is running on cleveland's field!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 23, 2007, 08:07:30 pm
word is that jamal lewis is in prime shape this year, well according to the SI article.

8 hours in any airport would not be fun. maybe you can hit up the airport lounge?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on August 23, 2007, 11:15:52 pm
Jamal Lewis does have what appears to be a very good looking OL in front of him.  Drafting Joe Thomas was a great move and getting Eric Steinbach was as well, if LeCharles Bentley comes back in his previous form and they can move Schaffer over to RT then they should be pretty well set.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 24, 2007, 10:36:13 am
ok so I need some advice on where to take a YOUNG girl out to??   She's of legal drinking age, but I dont' want to bore this chick with some place and my grey hairs..

Some of you guys in Cincy need to get on here and let me know...

JacketsFAN,

Yes you are right...and he's about to set that program back for a new coach at McMurray. 

and M&L...haha...I'm NOT EVEN GOING TO TOUCH THIS ONE..
I'm subbing agina this year For southwest schools. 

You know I'm kidding....

Jamal Lewis is a Cleveland Brown...thats all I have to say.  LeCharles Bentley is not going to be back in his previous form...he's STILL having issues.  They are going to have Frye or Anderson at QB to start their schedule (which puts them at 0-4) and teams are going to gang up on the run game to stop it.  Jamal is going to learn the difference between Baltimore and Cleveland and it ain't the color of their jerseys.....Baltimore RUNS the ball with a determined attitude and Cleveland likes to run the ball and hopefully suprise people with a different look than a 3 or 5 step drop for Frye...they lack that determined, stubborn attitude. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on August 24, 2007, 03:28:24 pm
saints fan,

cadillac ranch, get her to ride the bull!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 24, 2007, 03:46:28 pm
tepee,

two bulls in one night?? 

Just got an email from her, she wants margaritas and Mexican tonight..  Luckily I count with my mother being 1/2 Mexican...

I have been to Cadillac Ranch...that bull is something else....we rode one last weekend at the St. Mary's (Hyde Park) Festival..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 24, 2007, 04:14:16 pm
well, and the right tackle is out for 4 games for steroids or something. the OL is better than previously, but still sub par. you would think that even with the soldier and some above average receivers, they could be better on offense. of course, this is the team that has crushed their fans since 1964 and i would think they are in for a long year.

on a side note, baltimore runs the ball so well, because they couldn't throw until they obtained mc nair. IMO. i am not so sure mcgahee will do as good as lewis did, i don't think he can hammer it in the same fashion.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 24, 2007, 05:08:19 pm
I stopped by the Cadillac Ranch the other afternoon for lunch with the Ol Lady. It was nice. A little expensive for a substitute teacher, but nice. The best part about the bull is once a nice looking woman gets on (with hopefully decent breasts) they give her an extended ride and slow it down so you can see her boobs bouncing. The last time I rode a bull, the wiring started sparking and the people at Bobby Macke's gave me my $5 back.

And I think the night would go something like riding the bull then a miniture donkey :)  If she wants Mexican, bring her over my house. I got one helluva tan and can be Mexican for a night. Or just go to Margharitas downtown or wherever is close. There's a place in Blue Ash called El Pueblo off Hunt Rd that's pretty good.

I'd also suggest anywhere in Hyde Park (find a nice sushi bar with saki).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on August 24, 2007, 11:16:27 pm
Is the Cadillac Ranch like the Bunny Ranch, Adam? At my age, I want to see any woman's boobs bounce, no matter what shape they're in. What was it Jeff Foxworthy said? Men just want cold beer and to see something nekkid. They really don't care what she looks like as long as she's nekkid.

Well, guys, I got my football fix tonight. Despite the surf being a solid five feet, I opted for the Fernandina Beach High School Pirates' preseason game against cross county rivals, the Hilliard High School Flashes.  After years of getting spanked in the openers, Fernandina Beach took the field tonight and took the flash right out of the Flashes with a 25-9 spanking. Actually, it should've only been 25-3 but an overzealous defensive player clobbered the Hilliard punter with less than two minutes to play, and the ensuing penalty put the Flashes so close to the goal line that even Manchester could've scored. Fernandina has a great running back. He easily broke a hundred yards this evening.

I love high school football. I love Friday night lights and hotdogs and peanuts and Skittles. Dammit. I just wish I still had someone still playing college ball.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 25, 2007, 11:26:57 am
big hcac area clash this week in high school sports. warren central is playing glenville out of cleveland. i am going to go out on a limb and say warren central overpowers in this game. any thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 25, 2007, 12:42:59 pm
How many schools does Warren have? Harding, Central, JFK...is that all? For the most part, they all play pretty good ball.

I was scouting Norwood/McNick for Purcell. McNick has a pretty good QB and a great kicker.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 25, 2007, 12:47:05 pm
big hcac area clash this week in high school sports. warren central is playing glenville out of cleveland. i am going to go out on a limb and say warren central overpowers in this game. any thoughts?

I was actually thinking just the opposite.  WC has already been upset by Merrillville, and I would guess Glenville is more talented than Merrillville.  But, we'll find out soon enough.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 26, 2007, 12:46:19 pm
glenville is the same school that put out ted ginn jr and numerous others. they are good, i don't know if they play as a team like some powerhouses do though. we'll see. warrent central has been very good in recent years, this may be a classic.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 26, 2007, 03:30:01 pm
Glenville 38, WC 36

That was almost the halftime score, so both teams decided defense might be a good idea in the second half. 

WC off to an 0-2 start, but will still be a factor before it's all over.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 27, 2007, 12:41:04 pm
Saw some good things at the scrimmage on Saturday between Thomas More and Wilmington at Newport HS's field...

The team is young overall, but has some talent.  We saw the QB's completing passes, receivers blocking downfield on catches, and 3 very good RB's who carried the ball.  Also a taller WR did impress me as well by his willingness to go over the middle and take a lick...on a side note, didn't know JP would install the wishbone using 5 yard splits by the offensive lineman...interesting look....should take many by suprise this year. 

Not sure how I'd rate the scrimmage overall....1st half was controlled scrimmage which Thomas More scored twice and Wilma none....then the 25 and in produced some TD's on 3rd down for the Quakers. 

Side note:  If you play Wilma this year....look to stop the bubble screen and also the fade pattern and you are set.  They ran the bubble about 15-17 times that I saw...and I left the 2nd half (game conditions) early.   

Lots of chit talking from a team that didn't score their first TD until week 4 of last season and was shut out 5 of their 10 games.  I know what conference they are in, but these guys were also hitting players during the kicking game and having refs drag their OL off a DB on one TD play AFTER the whistle had been blown.  Coach Hilvert definitely has a group that doesn't lose it in situations like that....which can be good and bad. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 27, 2007, 01:08:45 pm
Also,

Has anyone checked out Hanover's roster for this year?  Given the lack of season previews by HCAC teams again this year, I was looking around.  I counted 72 total players....that has to be a low...those admissions requirements must be really tough..

http://sports.hanover.edu/hcfootballroster.htm
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on August 27, 2007, 01:13:35 pm
i love it
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on August 27, 2007, 03:15:59 pm
I heard that Franklin looked good in their scrimmage against Depauw last Saturday by outcoring them 24 - 0. I wasn't at the scrimmage, this is second hand information given to me.

Any other reports on scrimmages from the HCAC.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 27, 2007, 06:25:49 pm
not too much on my end. i keep hearing the grizzlies will be tough this year. i am hoping they can hurdle the lions and the other hcac teams to get into the playoffs. i think that would be very special for the fans in ol grizzly country.

72 players has to be a low. i remember their sidelines always being jam packed in blue uniforms, with very fast receivers. times are changing on the ohio river. can't say i am too upset about it, i like the conference with FC, MSJ, and others battling for the title.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 27, 2007, 08:10:47 pm
As much as I hate Hanover, I have the same opinions as a few others that its a shame they only have 72 players and that program's heading where its heading. Personally, I'd love to see a conference where Hanover has a chance to win it, MSJ has a chance, and now with the recent success of Franklin and to a point Defiance, both of them have a shot. Playing in a conference where 4 schools routinely have a shot to win any given year makes things interesting and overall better for the league. And until a HCAC does well in the playoffs, Hanover's recent downspell has hurt the HCAC's reputation.

The fact that MSJ is picked again to win the HCAC should tell you where our conference is. Not that I'm saying MSJ isn't talented because they are and have great coaches, but they lost their OC, DC, a few other coaches, and have a question mark at QB. MSJ is a mystery team. You're picking a team who has to adhere to new philosophies, learn new systems, and adapt to new coaching personalities on both sides of the ball in addition to the usual rigor of beginning a new season.

IF YOU'RE IN THE CINCINNATI/CANTON AREA!!!!!!!!

The Kirk Herbstreit Challenge is this weekend at Nippert and Canton. If you are anywhere near, I recommend seeing these games. Glenville plays Long Beach Poly, Colerain plays Hoover from MTV's 2 a days, St. X plays DeMatha (I believe they are ranked 3rd in the USA today poll), plus other great games. It's 9/1 and 9/2. Check the website if you think you may want to go.

http://www.ohiovsusa.com/
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 28, 2007, 10:59:11 am
IMO,

Franklin will win the HCAC this season...too much firepower...unless the transfers at MSJ do well.  We all know the history of transfers (to a D3 program) hasn't been good....(see:  R. Lewis).  I don't think you bet against the Lions, however.  They are "king of the hill", until they get knocked off. 

I do think this is the year for it though...

HCAC, outside of Franklin is a little weak compared to the past few years.  I DON'T think Defiance is going to be a factor in the big games.  Too much uncertainty at QB.  Hanover, we've all seen what's going on down in Madison (though they'll rise up for their rivalry games).  Who else?  RHIT? Dare I say Bluffton or Manchester? 

Seriously, this league needs a boost. 

I'm trying to make it down to the Hanover/Thomas More game this weekend, but its going to take a miracle.  On a side note:  This is the last edition of the rivalry game...fitting that JP is on the sideline for the Saints in this one, being that its AT Hanover? 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 28, 2007, 11:28:09 am
Everytime I walk into Purcell (which is where I'm helping out), I look for a picture of JPC, more or less you make fun of him for the late 80's style, but can't find a single picture. It depresses me everytime. I just had to get that off my chest.

Since I know he reads this all the time, I'll give a shout out to Mr. Annexation of Puerto Rico himself, Evan Dreyer, as he helps prepare HIS Colerain Cardnals for Hoover Buccaneers. For those of you who don't know Evan, he's famous for two things. Hooking up with big-busted red-heads and running the Annexation of Puerto Rico to a T.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 28, 2007, 11:35:48 am
Prepsnation.com ranks St. X #1 in the USA and DeMatha (MD) #3
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 28, 2007, 11:47:05 am
Who is running the picks this year?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 29, 2007, 07:09:13 pm
Just got back from Tahiti today from my honeymoon ;D & let me tell ya, that place is amazing!  My wife & I stayed in Moorea for four days & La Tahaa for 3 & it is just flipping amazing! 
We also had the opportunity to feed sting ray & (I think) white tip sharks for just one of the activities.  The sharks were little, but when you are underwater & see them coming right at you, it makes you pucker up a bit that is for sure.
Anyways, it is nice to be back & get caught up w/ all the discussion.  I agree with Sayer on the HCAC building a reputation by getting some W's in the playoffs.  The thing is whom ever represents the HCAC, they need to go undefeated in order to get a higher seed in the region.  I would like to think that would get them a home field advantage & possible a game against a weaker team in an automatic bid conference to get the ball rolling.
On regards to Defiance I think if Vetter gets his act together w/ all the weapons he has to his disposal it could be big things for the Jackets.  The defense is going to be a question mark w/ losing a lot on the dline, but they still should be strong everywhere else.  So look for DC being in the mix again towards the end of the season. 
For the rest of the conference Franklin does look like the team to beat & you still can't forget about MSJ b/c I feel they are better off in their QB area from last year & they sill are a strong program.  RHIT again is a team that could surprise a few.   Anderson & Hanover have been having their ups & downs & I see them making some noise but not enough to be in the hunt for the crown.  For Bluffton & Manchester, well it would be nice to see them do well in nonconference play.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 29, 2007, 07:21:01 pm
here is also some rankings that some might be interested in.  http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1ccbach_mw_brief.php
Good to see some HCAC schools representing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 29, 2007, 10:41:24 pm
I've started the Pick 'ems on the General Football thread.  First game is tomorrow night (Tri-State @ Manchester), so if interested, enter your picks ASAP.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 30, 2007, 09:14:35 am
Franklin is the team to beat this year, I have been trying to be very humble since I cannot stand those arrogant types who tout their team as the next coming. Some of you remember my not so humble beginnings, but as the paduan learns from the master, I have also learned to let the hard work and achievement speak for the Grizzlies.

I do know this, first game is going to get the season started off right, and tell everybody where a lot of people are standing. FC has two motha's right off the bat. Much like a good closer, if they keep their dirty underwear ready for gameday, they should be good to go.

I know the buckeye nation thinks that the buckeyes will rebound this year, but what are your guys thoughts on Penn St, Wisconsin, and Michigan? JoePa is, well, JoePa and they have had some good recruiting years as of late. Wisconsin may be a playmaker away on offense, but in the mix. Michigan may have the best offense, but I think will lack in defense. There is some talk of Penn St. making a run for title this year!! Open, discuss, watch out for Kentucky this year. Like a fat girl in dodgeball, I am out.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 30, 2007, 10:37:42 am
Kentucky?  Beotch, please!!

They will piss down their legs with the expectations so high.  A friend of mine that I work with...played for UK after playing at Thomas More....he's an avid follower and even he's not buying the hype....they'll NEVER, be more than an afterthought.  They took advantage of a down year in their division with Georgia, SC etc sucking compared to previous history. 

Its funny talking to him, he blocked for Tim Couch and spit on the local reporter (that made ESPN)....a real wildman....I'm waiting to see how many altercations he gets into this Sunday at Riverfest...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 30, 2007, 10:45:02 am
sad news from Pittsburgh...dont know if any of you read it...involves a former d3 player at Waynesburg...

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=104&sid=1234098

thanks to Pat for the link..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 30, 2007, 04:27:07 pm
wow so, I guess Hanover is gaining a golf coach with great football coaching experience..

hello Coach Leonard??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on August 30, 2007, 10:12:23 pm
Shocking news about Coach Perry, it would be nice to have some Hanover alum on this board to hear what they think about that.
Sounds surprising to hear right before the season begins.  Wonder what the Panthers have up their sleave. ???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on August 31, 2007, 08:05:13 am
From the press release, it sounds like he wants to take a higher position of power so maybe he can help influence some of the pedagogical issues and get some decent recruits back to Hanover.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on August 31, 2007, 09:01:55 am
i love it
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AnonymousFan on August 31, 2007, 09:19:22 am
I couldn't figure out the link thing to attach it but I checked out Hanover's local paper (Madison Courier) and there was a nice article about Perry.  It looks like he told the team now so they wouldn't think the season's results had any factor on his decision.  Let's hope he can help get the school back to where it should be.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on August 31, 2007, 09:33:40 am
Leonard, not likely. Leonard has finally built the Franklin program to where he wants it, and can continue to build on the tradition that was lacking since Red Faught stepped down in 1988. Franklin also has one great gameday atmosphere, one of the best in DIII small college football. For a man who worked so tirelessly to get his recruits in there, build the program up, build upon a once proud tradition, and to become the savior for Franklin's football program it would be hard to imagine him back at Hanover. IMO, I really do not see the benefit for him moving back down to Hanover for another stint. Been there, done that. Things he hasn't done yet at Franklin are win the HCAC, gain a playoff birth, and be in a position to win the NCAA D3 championship. The opportunities are more at Franklin with their location to INDY and the talent surrounding the region. Better alumni support, better football town, better college with Mike Leonard at Franklin. Yes, that was my pitch to end the Leonard to Hanover discussions.

For selfish reasons, I would have liked to see Coach Parry stay as the head coach for a long time coming. I have great respect for his coaching tenure and what he has accoomplished at Hanover. It poses some questions though, if nothing more. If admissions standards and the overall direction of Hanover had not changed in the past few years, would this even be discussed right now? 72 players on the preseason roster are not a Hanover trademark. They had a great corp of players each year replacing graduating players. Has the school finally forced a great coach out due to their rising admissions standards??

Whatever the answer, Coach Parry is a legend in Indiana football and he will be missed on the sidelines. What are the thoughts of the Hanover faithful?

Oh, LSU looked tough. People are high on Kentucky, and you should watch out for them. However, it's Kentucky and they will be in the bottom half of the SEC again. You just have to watch out for them so you don't take them lightly. Good QB, can shock a good team, but they are Kentucky.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 31, 2007, 10:43:08 am
victory,

word on the street and from a Hanover grad that I work with (who is still close with Perry) is that they have hired a new prez and the admissions standards that have gotten so tight in the past few years are going to be relaxed....

IMO, with these conversations I've had, I'd be VERY surprised if Leonard doesn't take a strong look at the job..  Really for all the reasons that you just mentioned....not so long ago, Hanover had a great atmosphere...and he'd be rebuilding HIS alma mater.  Perry gave him a shot at Offensive Coordinator when Leonard got into coaching and I guarantee with him still on staff at Hanover, Leonard will feel a duty, if you will, to return should he be asked to..

He would be the savior at Hanover as well.... 

I don't think "better football town" fits when comparing Franklin and Hanover...basically both towns have their football fans come from across Indiana, Ohio and Kentucky to see their sons play...I honestly think the recruiting will even out between Hanover and Franklin will even out now that the standards are goign to be relaxed...  Franklin has been killing Hanover recruiting-wise, head to head..

I know Franklin has a winning tradition from when they were NAIA, but Hanover has it as well....at the NCAA Division III level....a part in which Leonard participated as a player...I think it could be a strong pull on him and a monumental decision.. but we have the cart before the horse...2007 is yet to be played out.  Though I don't think he has the Franklin program where he wants it, just yet. 

If Franklin keeps him this off season, then IMO, they will have him for a long time.  But they do already have a successor in place, with Theobald named Assistant Head Coach.

I'm not trying to disagree just to disagree...I just feel in talking to a few, that there's going to be a pull there.   At Thomas More, we saw the same thing happen with Dean Paul leaving...he built us back up into a contender (winning playoff games) and didn't think we'd lose him...but when ONU came calling (his father was involved with the school), we lost our guy. 

Anyone else care to weigh in??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AnonymousFan on August 31, 2007, 11:18:48 am
I think Leonard would be crazy to go back to HC right now.  I have also heard great things about the new pres and her support for athletics but it could take years to get the school and programs built back up.  However...maybe we should start talking about a switch for Theo since he is from southern IN.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 31, 2007, 03:08:13 pm
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I have also heard great things about the new pres and her support for athletics but it could take years to get the school and programs built back up.

No disagreement that the athletic programs at Hanover have suffered with the increased rigidity of admission standards under Dr. Nicholls' tenure, and yes, the school's (not athletic department's) mission seems more aligned with the NCAC crowd.  However, one must remember that Nicholls was at one time , from 1965-1972, a basketball coach in Division III, his sub .400 winning percentage notwithstanding.  He is more adept at management and organization, and his twenty years at Hanover show positive results for the school as a whole - alumni contributions are up substantially, the endowment level has more than tripled from $46.5M to $150M+, and overall academic rankings have improved.  Several academic buildings have been built or remodeled, and the Horner Center (b-ball arena and rec center) opened ten years ago.

Personal thought is that as a "trouble-shooter by nature," his brief retirement now includes an interim presidency at Tusculum College - another small college in need.

Will admission standards change under Dr. Sue DeWine?  A brief examination of her CV, her publications on organizational behavior and management, and provost duties at Marietta are not necessarily indicative of direction, one way or another.  It will be interesting to watch.  While it is difficult to realize that Coach Perry is surrendering the reigns after fifty years as a player, coach and mentor, perhaps he has chosen the path of Vince Dooley for personal reasons?  

JMHO - let the smiting begin.    

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on August 31, 2007, 03:20:18 pm
personal reasons probably include being tired of the grind, cave2bens. 

thats just what I've heard....now we can probably debate on what to include in "the grind" all day...

At any rate, I don't see why Leonard would NOT consider the job should it be offered to him. 

My High School alma mater, Badin (Hamilton) ventures down to play Turpin tonight.  Turpins Defensive Coordinator is an old roommate of mine, Dan Kraft who played OLB for the Saints.  The Spartans are coming off a thrashing of Glen Este (which surprised alot of people supposedly in the know)...and are following up a state semi-final appearance last season.  Their QB is a stud lefty, WR is a 6'5" kid with speed (committed to Miami) and they have a big OL being courted by some big schools....I hope Badin can compete tonight...  They blew out Dayton Jefferson 62-20 with their 'spread offense'...which seems a big sacreligious to me....since we played with the fullhouse set and plays from the 1950s under Coach Terry Malone.

Anyone going to be around tonight...what games are you going to?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 31, 2007, 04:44:33 pm
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Anyone going to be around tonight...what games are you going to?

Roswell vs Brookwood at the GA Dome - lot of D1 signees on both sides of ball and easier ticket than UGa-Okie State.  Good luck to all HCACer's in their openers.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 01, 2007, 11:47:37 am
Good luck to everyone today. Manchester got off to a bad start last night with a 14-9 loss to Tri-State.

Best of luck to DC today. Adrian will be out for blood today. Don't give them a drop. Send 'em home crying.

Go DC!

Damn, it sucks not to be going this year. Guess we'll be glued to the radio.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 01, 2007, 01:55:12 pm
Once again I can not get DC games over the internet.  I've tried to troubleshoot their new station 105.7, but it will not work leaving me disappointed again >:(.  So if any Jacket fans are out there listening to the game could you give some updates now & then for me?  Thanks
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 01, 2007, 01:59:14 pm
Michigan is getting biotch slapped at the big house by App. St. I seriously need to bend over and take whatever rear kicking I have coming my way for talking smack about the IAA.

I saw them last year and knew they were tough, but come on!!! It's Michigan!!!! They are not supposed to get thrown around and ran around, through, and over top by a IAA team. I am rooting for App. St. to pour it on in the second half, the underdog story is nice. It is nice, and highly surprising.

I need the mayo now....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 01, 2007, 02:01:10 pm
VB....does Franklin have any radio stream?  The OWU video stream crapped out after about 10 minutes....
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 01, 2007, 03:10:05 pm
DC getting killed 35-7 at the half. D looking okay. Cass, Chidester, Bayer making awesome hits. Inexperiece elsewhere showing. Vetter still throwing pics - three so far that resulted in TDs for Adrian. Dillon hauled in the only TD for DC. We need a QB or we ain't gonna we too many games this season. Turnover and interceptions are killing us. The new kicker and new punter looks good. The new TB, Coralla, looks good. Going into the third now. DC's self confidence looked really bad towards the half. Adrian is running a dual QB attack. Niblock has the speed and McGee has the arm. Both perform very well under pressure. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 01, 2007, 03:58:10 pm
michigan lost, wow. i am speechless.

i can't get the franklin game either. i am confused.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 01, 2007, 04:01:42 pm
http://www.franklincollege.edu/athletics/football/schedule.cfm
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 01, 2007, 04:01:48 pm
Grizz win 34-21 in Delaware.  I have no idea what transpired after the first few plays though. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 01, 2007, 04:09:03 pm
V-bell, App State is a kick ass program. I'm not that surprised to see them pull it off. They could hang with most D1 programs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 01, 2007, 05:08:18 pm
JacketsFan- App State I agree is a good team, but Michigan has no excuse losing to DIAA school even if they are the defending national champs. 
Hopefully UofM wakes up now & finally realizes that Lyodd Carr is a bad coach.  He won the National Championship in 97 w/ another coaches recruiting class & has done squat since.  I can't believe it but I'm going to have to root for freaking OSU so that Carr can be replaced.  Go the other Michigan team ;)
Did anyone get the final to the DC game.  It is impossible to get scores on the web.  Went to hcac site, miaa site, dc's site, & even adrian's, & found nada!  Last I heard was DC looks to be in trouble this year from some of the alum's at the game. 
Not a good day, not a good day at all >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 01, 2007, 06:18:33 pm
Try the scoreboard on THIS site! ;)

Adrian 35, Defiance 9.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 01, 2007, 08:07:12 pm
re:  QB situation at Defiance

I hate to say that I was right...but sounds like they need to a new QB...too bad there aren't any trades in college athletics.  I think DC will bounce back, just don't know how many weeks it will take.  Definitely sounds like the QB put them in some bad spots.  The Jackets need an identity..

re:  TMC beats Hanover 40-24...I'd love to hear about this game from someone who was there.  TMC is starting a freshman at QB, sounds like they played well.  Good start to the Hilvert era. 

re:  Michigan...wow.  I think I said awhile back that App St would not be a big blowout victim but I didn't think they'd actually play 4 full quarters and win.  Crazy.  By the way, App St. is a good 1-AA team (or whatever its called now), but seriously would not beat most of the top 50 teams in the country.  Today was a fluke brought on because Lloyd Carr is garbage...  They could compete with the also rans of D1, but the scholarship situation is too much to overcome.

re:  MSJ

I'd like to hear about this game as well, I didn't think Wilma would be that close to them, having seen the Quakers last weekend in the scrimmage. 

re:  Notre Dame

going to be a long year for the Irish and Irish fans...  thats as bad a beating as I can remember for the season openers.  They need to pick a QB that they trust to throw the ball and run the spread offense.  He's not going to be Brady Quinn, but there's NO WAY the option should be a staple of the offense in South Bend.  Maybe as a blitz beater or a change up, but come on.  You're freaking Notre Dame...are you telling me there's NOBODY on the roster that can make throws when the game is close?  Pathetic.  They will definitely be 0-8 this year...and it could finally be the year Navy ends "the streak".  Roger Staubach fans will rejoice this year in South Bend...and unfortunately, I'll be there to see it. 

I also think Ohio State is in for a long season....just a feeling here. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 01, 2007, 08:10:14 pm
VBell -

Mood music is cued up on the Dual turntable - "Electric Aunt Jemima" from Zappa's Uncle Meat album and Publix SuperMarket has a 2 for 1 on Kraft this week.

"Holidays and Salad Days and Days of Moldy Mayonnaisse...Caress me Aunt Jemima  ;D

From the excerpts seen, it appeared that Mike Hart was the only superlative for M in the face of an onslaught from a couple, fleet-footed wideouts and QB, from the banks of the Watauga.  Tough day in Ann Arbor, but shame on Carr for not having them ready to play.   >:(
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 01, 2007, 10:09:35 pm
SaintsFAN:

See my post to you over on our MIAA board.  Good to hear from you.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 01, 2007, 11:06:26 pm
Ohmigod! A fellow Zappa-head. Damn, cave2bens.

How about this one?

So I gathered up a mitten full of the deadly yellow snow crystals and proceeded to rub them into his beady little eyes with a vigorous circular motion. Let's hear it for the vigorous circular motion. Rub it!

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 02, 2007, 12:39:03 am
If I am correct, Adam Sayer said a month ago, Michigan would have their hands full and it wouldn't suprise me if they lost. One of the DC guys also was with me on App State.

Ohio vs UsA. There will be a long post later, but I saw the 2 greatest HS football games I have ever seen. Colerain beats Hoover in OT (Hoover's coach screws up the clock situation and pisses down an opportunity to kick a FG to win the game) and Elder beats Independence, USA Today #3 and former owner of a 109 game win streak...until Elder beat them.

I am convinced, Ohio is THE BEST football state in America from top to bottom.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2007, 12:39:40 am
Hey JacketsFan:

Good to see you posting.  Looks like both our teams "took it on the chin" today ;D ::)  Hope all is well with you and yours.  I thought I recall you saying you might make it up to a DC game or two even though your son has graduated.  I'll send you an email to catch up on all the news in the next days or so.  Take care.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 02, 2007, 12:51:39 am
I am convinced, Ohio is THE BEST football state in America from top to bottom.

Now THERE'S something I'll bet that 'reality' TV has overlooked - a tournament of the 50 'bottom' teams in America!

I can see it now: "Our bottom can kick your bottom!"

"We're number ONE (well, except for every other team in our state)!"

"Ohio: the BEST bottom in America!"

 :P ::) ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 02, 2007, 08:53:11 am
Sayer - if i recall i was the one who predicted the AppSt victory which lead VB to say if that happened he would swim naked with fat chicks in a pool of mayonaise.  I was also correct saying HasBeen would actually be happy becuase it would be the kiss of death for Lloyd.  while it was all in good fun UofM has struggled in recent years against very athletic QB's with lots of WR's.  that might be the best team in 1AA history no one came close to them last year and most everyone returned, they got some players.

Heading down to Nippert to see the dayton teams in the herbie classic.

in regards to DC, if you dont get it after a year or 2 starting at QB you have to wonder if they ever will get it...ask Jeff Eldred
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 02, 2007, 11:17:16 am
Situation: Hoover and Colerain are tied, 17-17 and Hoover has the ball 1st and goal with a minute left in the game. They run a few plays and are faced with a 3rd down with about 20 seconds left to play. Rather than call a timeout, Hoover's coach runs another play. Hoover snaps the ball with 6 seconds left and time runs out. Hoover never used the timeout. All this after Colerain scores only 3 points in the second half and the only reason they scored those 3 points was because a DL read the screen and intercepted the ball on the 20 or so yard line. Hoover stopped (you heard that right) Colerain's option in the 2nd half and Colerain didn't know what to do. In OT, Colerain has to settle for a FG. Hoover's 1st play in OT, QB nails a wide open WR on the 5 yard line but...he drops it. Similar to Ryan Hamby for OSU vs Texas. Colerain's defense comes alive and stops Hoover winning the game 20-17 with the help of a big sack to take them out of FG range.

Independence starts off their game by going down the field with ease and scoring. This game looked like it was going to be a blow out and Elder eventually came together, got a couple stops and went in to the half down 27-14. Elder was a different team in the second half, pounded the rock, threw the rock and looked like a great football team (complete 180 from 1st half).

Elder eventually scores to tie the game. The kicker misses the extra point. Independence goes down the field and scores to take the lead with about 3 minutes left. On Elder's ensuing drive they drive but get faced with a 4th and 15. They toss it up into triple coverage and #9, the unbelievable TE for Elder comes down with the 1st down reception (this is what it was like having Andy Wellendorf at MSJ). Elder eventually scores to tie the game. With less than a minute left Independence drives and kicks a 48 yard FG that ends up short. In OT, Elder gets the ball with momentum and scores a TD to take the lead. On 3rd down and long, Elder intercepts the QB and wins the game, ending Independence's 109 or whatever game win streak. Thay had not lost a football game since September of 2000 until last night and were ranked the highest of any team in the Classic (According to USA Today).

USA Today has St. X rankd #4 and DeMatha ranked #5. Should be a good one. Deer Park resident and St. X star HB, Darrius Ashley is not expected to play due to a sprained ankle.

In the other games

LaSalle loses 7-6 to Indianapolis Cathredral, giving up a TD late in the game (LaSalle's DB and stud WR gets beat bad on Cathedral's scoring drive for a 40+ yard catch)

Moeller loses a 22-14 lead and loses the game 26-22. Moeler drives to Mission Viejo's (CA) 20 yard line but can't complete the TD pass with 4 seconds left. Bob Crable, with 21 seconds left and the clock still running calls a QB dive on 3rd and 2 (on the 37 yard line). The QB gets stood up and Moeller loses an extra 8-10 seconds. I get the point that the clock stops with the first down, but you risk wasting 5-6 seconds on a play that will get you 2-3 yards when you don't have much time left and need a TD.

Overall great football yesterday and I hope more people can make it out next year. This has been good. JacketsFan, next September you and the boy should come up and watch. You'll get your football fix for the year.

www.ohiovsusa.com - I believe they may have 2008 teams on there. And Cardinal Mooney (Youngstown, OH) is a Division 4 school who is ranked in the USA Today poll (20-something I believe).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 02, 2007, 11:46:07 am
Formerd3db, great hearing from you again. I'm not going anywhere. Just because my son graduated from DC doesn't mean I'm going to abandon all these d3.com hcac miscreants and reprobates. I'll be looking forward to hearing from you.

Yep, DC took it on the chin yesterday - and on every other exposed body surface, as well. I hate to see them start out this way and I'm afraid it's a bad omen. They've got to find themselves a reliable QB, one that can get the ball to his own team as efficiently as he can get it to the other team. He still has happy feet. He still throws wildly off his back foot. Shall I say more? And when he's got capable weapons to get the ball to (Dillon, Allen, Coralla, etc) it only makes it more frustrating that he can't. The O-line seemed to do well for their inexperience yesterday and that's good. The D gave up too many big plays and there's got to be more action at the point of attack. From what I could gather by listening, it seemed to me that DC didn't play with its usual fire and determination. Come on guys. Wake up.

Adam, I'd love to get up there, seeing as how I owe you a visit. Richard lost a massive bull redfish last weekend. Must've gone 25 lb or better. R was so tired after fighting him twenty minutes that he had cramps in those big ol' arms of his.

UF Football. Tim Tebow. God gawdamighty, son! The kid's got a space shuttle engine for an arm.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 02, 2007, 12:44:36 pm
I would just like to see DC recruit a qb that is over 6' & isn't a run first qb.  Also, what happened to Curtis yesterday?  He had something like 6 carries.  I thought he would be carrying the work load in the run game.
JacketsFan- Flordia does look scary w/ that lefty slinging the ball all over the field.
70dcalum- now lets just see if uofm is smart enough to get rid of Carr or maybe they'll just wait for them to drop another one to OSU or a fifth straight bowl loss.  & yes I'm disgruntled!

By the way, if Ohio has the best high school football programs in the country then Michigan should start playing them in their opening week for now on. ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 02, 2007, 02:50:26 pm
quick thoughts:

app st has more speed and michigan couldn't hang with them. that means simply that michigan is exposed and is going to be in for a long year. still, #5 michigan had no business losing to APP. ST, ever. they did, now I would fire everybody and bring bo's son to come and coach some life back into these guys.

hey, if you are playing appy st next week, are you even seriously considering beating them? get them in the BCS now. they run a funky offense like WVU, only funkier, and they can fly. speed, speed, speed, they could have kept up with USC better than Mich last year.

Ohio is by far the best football state, hands down. top to bottom across the board. i'll never say it isn't.

on a side note, nobody can seriously tell me that they expected app st to beat michigan. a lower level team playing the #5 team in nation!!! you all said it would be a game and they better not take them lightly. i said appy st will get pounded like the IAA program they are. if you really expected that upset, then you need to be placing a lot of bets in vegas and not being on here.

i've seen them play about 5 times and never thought they would beat michigan. i guess it's time for gvsu to play app st (they used to play IAA playoff teams and beat them pretty consistently) and get mount union playing gvsu. after yesterdays game, i cannot make predictions anymore and say it can't happen. it just f****** happened.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 02, 2007, 04:05:13 pm
3-6 Ball State went toe to toe with 9-0 Michigan in the Big House last year. I think ASU is a better team than BSU and if Michigan is thinking of using ASU as a warm up game, they will be beaten.

I wasn't joking when I wrote this VBell. But I'm a not gambler other than the NCAA basketball tournament. This is the first year I'll be doing fantasy football.

St. X laid the wood on DeMatha. It was on ESPN so I hope all of you got to see it. St. X's defense is great. They may be better than Colerain's defense from their title run. They also put up almost 150 rushing without their star runningback. I hope now, Ohio teams get more respect in the USA Today. St. X should be #1 in the USA Today Poll.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 02, 2007, 09:31:10 pm
i believe that you didn't joke around. i am just shocked michigan lost. like i said, it just f****** happened. go app st, fire carr.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 02, 2007, 09:38:23 pm
Any names being thrown around as Coach Perry's replacement at Hanover?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 02, 2007, 09:43:17 pm
HCAC colleagues:

In case you missed this last winter (and I did, thus my apologies for sending this if it has already been presented), here is something that I think will put things in perspective for all of us.  It does for me and a reminder for the next time I start to whine or complain about something in my day/life.  Go to:

http:// htt;:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qTiYA1WiY8

This story about a Univ of Louisville band member is as good as that one about the autistic h.s. basketball player that someone posted on the boards earlier this year.  Hope you enjoy it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 03, 2007, 09:00:20 am
InQBScout - Perry's replacement is north of the border named Lloyd Carr.  of course Hanover's prez does not want to pull the trigger because we are trying to get a little exposure and ar looking for a coach that can win in the post season!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 03, 2007, 09:31:29 am
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InQBScout - Perry's replacement is north of the border named Lloyd Carr.  of course Hanover's prez does not want to pull the trigger because we are trying to get a little exposure and ar looking for a coach that can win in the post season!!!

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 03, 2007, 10:47:01 am
That was a low blow. I like it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 03, 2007, 03:57:13 pm
I just do not understand how he still has a job?  He is 5-7 in bowl games losing 4 in a row & I don't even want to get into his record vs. Tressel, & now he lost to a DIAA school!  If he can't get fired w/ that track record then he is truely untouchable.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 03, 2007, 06:25:54 pm
It was nice to see in the first top 25 poll Franklin & MSJ received some votes but after the first week Franklin gained very few & MSJ disappeared.  Not saying the HCAC really deserves to have a team in the top 25 or even getting votes, but it was nice to see two of them getting some early recognition.  Hopefully Franklin can make it two years in a row beating Wabash to be able to crack the top 25 or get a bit closer.

Any DC folk out there have any news on what is happening in Defiance?  Hopefully the offense gets their act together this week.  It would be nice to see some other people make some plays this week on O.  The stats make it look like either Vetter either ran the ball or the pass was to Dillon.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 03, 2007, 07:13:18 pm
he won a national championship, that should count for something. he easily has one of the highest winning percentages since taking over for a drunk gary moeller. he puts together solid teams, even if they aren't in the top ten every year. they never has player conduct problems. they graduate players, a lot of them.  could have played for a few national championships if it weren't for OSU and tressell. would have this year (or been in the mix) if the juggernaut known as App. St. didn't come in town.

let's face it, carr runs a solid program. i think michigan would be worse off without him. he is a mainstay there, for many years. still runs it by the bo book and he'll be fine there. of course, if this season goes south, you may not see a forgiving michigan administration. michigan is still a class team and one to model others after. it's been by the bo rules since 1969, and i don't think it should change.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 03, 2007, 09:46:25 pm
The only rules at Ohio State and Michigan is you beat the rival and win the Bowl Game. You can't do that consistently. They say bye, bye real quick. You always have one foot out the door at programs like these.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on September 03, 2007, 10:14:46 pm
Sources tell me that a defiance GA was busted in the stands filming adrian’s scrimmage.  Taylor, the HC, may lose his job over it.  Can any Defiance fans substantiate this?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on September 03, 2007, 10:17:22 pm
No word on Coach Perry's replacement.  Probably too early for any names to be thrown around.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 03, 2007, 10:27:14 pm
espn just had a poll on whether or not carr should be fired.

i agree with you sayer, but in all actuality, michigan is a class program. now, the down side is that he lost to IAA team and will have to beat OSU and make a major bowl if he is keep his job. if that doesn't happe, then his whole body will be out the door.

they can't seriously be looking for perry's replacement already can they? let's wait until the ink is dry on the divorce papers first, just MO.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 03, 2007, 10:36:30 pm
TrickSnaps - if they did it sure as hell did not help.

on Carr...runs a great program but so did John Cooper.  Cooper would have been playing for a few national championships throughout the 90's if it was not for Michigan.  even the 2002 starters were mostly Coopers guys.  ask cooper if the last game and the Bowl matters,  11-2 record can be very good or very bad depending on where the "2" comes from.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 04, 2007, 07:12:48 am
i believe they call him lloyd cooper in ohio.

yes, that was the kiss of death btw
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 04, 2007, 07:38:36 am
Sources tell me that a defiance GA was busted in the stands filming adrian’s scrimmage.  Taylor, the HC, may lose his job over it.  Can any Defiance fans substantiate this?

I can't, but Kean was busted about a decade ago for doing the same at Western Connecticut.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AnonymousFan on September 04, 2007, 08:22:53 am
Talked to some people about the HC game.  I guess the O looked pretty good - especially for starting a freshman QB- but it doesn't help when they have to score every time because the D can't stop my grandma.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on September 04, 2007, 11:04:32 am
We grandmas take exception.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 04, 2007, 12:00:06 pm
tricksnap56:

From what I have heard from people at the scrimmage and at Adrian is the DC assistant was caught in the stands trying to film the scrimmage by the Adrian AD who then had him removed from the facility.  It is not the first time DC had shown up at an Adrian scrimmage, as they made their way to ONU last year, but it is the first time I am aware that they attempted to film it. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 04, 2007, 12:38:43 pm
I am not surprised that Adrian caught them, because they knew what to look for.

In Franklins 2005 season opener at Ohio Wesleyan a couple Adrian personel were caught filming that game by the OWU athletic staff.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 04, 2007, 12:49:34 pm
Adrian hasnt played Franklin since the 03-04 season, played Franklin at their places, the score was 48-13 I believe.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 04, 2007, 12:59:26 pm
I apologize and stand corrected. It was Olivet who I was thinking about.

They say when you turn 50 the first thing to go is your memory, sorry. :-[

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 04, 2007, 01:04:42 pm
Kygrizz:

No problem.  I actually had heard that about Olivet, thats been a topic on them before. 

On another note Franklin had one of the nicest stadiums i played in in my career, the red brick and fencing is really a nice touch and it lends itself to the DIII game day atmosphere.  The fans in the endzone taunting the whole game were also a nice touch, some people just feed off of that.  Franklin had a decent team that year (03-04) and you could tell they were building for the future with the offense they were running, its good to see that it has paid some dividends and they are now contending.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 04, 2007, 02:39:57 pm
I agree w/ 70dcalum about Carr.  It doesn't matter what kind of program you run, it depends on bowl games & beating OSU which of lately Carr is having a hard time accomplishing. 

It is pretty sad to hear (if true) that DC is resorting to trying to tape scrimmages when it isn't permitted.  I would hope that this is only a rumor.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 04, 2007, 04:53:06 pm
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I agree w/ 70dcalum about Carr.  It doesn't matter what kind of program you run, it depends on bowl games & beating OSU which of lately Carr is having a hard time accomplishing.

Agreed.  Don't believe that Bo's spiritual presence will carry the same level of protection as his bodily occupation of an office down the hall.

Regarding "film gate," if rumor is true, there should be a sacking before a Congressional Investigation is called for, and all of Wood's "good works" have an asterix affixed.   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 04, 2007, 07:57:57 pm
I think that people filming other teams is something that goes on more than what you think. There are roughly 400 college football teams. To think that this is a 'rare' thing is crazy.

Now for a real question. Who will win the Notre Dame-Michigan game? Both teams looked like Duke could beat them on Saturday.

And something else to ponder. Charlie Weiss signed a huge 10-year extension. If Notre Dame finishes the season 4-8/3-7 (Which is possible) will he get more leeway than Ty Willingham did?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on September 04, 2007, 08:05:08 pm
Actually there are about 650-700 four year college inter-collegiate football teams.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 04, 2007, 09:39:13 pm
I think that people filming other teams is something that goes on more than what you think. There are roughly 400 college football teams. To think that this is a 'rare' thing is crazy.

Now for a real question. Who will win the Notre Dame-Michigan game? Both teams looked like Duke could beat them on Saturday.

And something else to ponder. Charlie Weiss signed a huge 10-year extension. If Notre Dame finishes the season 4-8/3-7 (Which is possible) will he get more leeway than Ty Willingham did?

The disrespect for Appalachian State (and, by implication, all 'lower' division teams) is appalling.  While UM SHOULD have beaten them (and would, 9 out of 10), ASU would beat Duke by 40+.  The overlap of divisions is way beyond what most fans (and, alas, most sportswriters) perceives.  ASU would beat a MAJORITY of d1A teams, just as Grand Valley would beat a MAJORITY of d1AA teams and Mount Union would beat many (perhaps even a majority) of d2 teams

In each case, depth MIGHT keep them from competing well over a full season at the 'higher' level, but in a one-game showdown I'm very certain of my statement.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 04, 2007, 10:06:42 pm
Well said, Mr. Ypsi!

The late, great GSU Eagles (Division 1AA) Head Coach Erskine "Erk" Russell built a program at Georgia Southern that would've made a lot of D1 coaches blush. He complied an 83-22-1 record in his eight seasons there and won the National Championships three times, two of them being back to back, the final time being the culmination of a perfect 15-0 season. If Er were alive and in his prime today and coaching the GSU Eagles the way be did in the 80s, Michigan State and other D1 programs would have more than one D1AA coach and program to worry about.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 04, 2007, 10:08:01 pm
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The disrespect for Appalachian State (and, by implication, all 'lower' division teams) is appalling.  While UM SHOULD have beaten them (and would, 9 out of 10), ASU would beat Duke by 40+.  The overlap of divisions is way beyond what most fans (and, alas, most sportswriters) perceives.  ASU would beat a MAJORITY of d1A teams, just as Grand Valley would beat a MAJORITY of d1AA teams and Mount Union would beat many (perhaps even a majority) of d2 teams

In each case, depth MIGHT keep them from competing well over a full season at the 'higher' level, but in a one-game showdown I'm very certain of my statement.

Well stated...I think the important word here is depth---no question depth wins out in many of those match ups and certainly over the course of  a season...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 04, 2007, 10:09:51 pm
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And something else to ponder. Charlie Weiss signed a huge 10-year extension. If Notre Dame finishes the season 4-8/3-7 (Which is possible) will he get more leeway than Ty Willingham did? 
 


The numbers may paint an appropriate abnalogy...but a pose this simple question...if given a choice, who would you want to coach your team---for a game or a season? Don't think that's a tough decision...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 04, 2007, 11:20:26 pm
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And something else to ponder. Charlie Weiss signed a huge 10-year extension. If Notre Dame finishes the season 4-8/3-7 (Which is possible) will he get more leeway than Ty Willingham did? 
 


The numbers may paint an appropriate abnalogy...but a pose this simple question...if given a choice, who would you want to coach your team---for a game or a season? Don't think that's a tough decision...

That's an easy one now, but the point was at one time I heard Ty nicknamed 'Black Jesus.' That changed real quick when he started losing. Then it was Ty Davie. Regardless, and this may be a little premature, but does anyone else think Notre Dame may have jumped the gun on Weiss. I mean, he has yet to beat a team who ranked in the top 15 while at Notre Dame. His record against teams who were ranked at the time is decent (about .500) but against teams who finish as top 15/20 programs, his record is horrible.

I'm not a ND fan but I think they gave Ty Willingham a premature exit and didn't give him a fair chance. So far, both he and Weiss have started out very similar. Both had great success, and now Weiss is faced with a team who has a great chance to be bad, like Bob Davie bad or worse. I wonder if he will receive the same treatment as Ty.

Mr. Ypsi, was that a shot that I wasn't giving App State respect? If I recall, I was 1 of 2 who actually mentioned App State and winning in the same sentence against Michigan. I know how good of a program they are. The Duke reference was a shot because I hate Michigan and the Michigan/Notre Dame game is one of those where somebody's gotta win, though neither may deserve it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 04, 2007, 11:23:48 pm
Actually there are about 650-700 four year college inter-collegiate football teams.

Really? Well, I guess your right. DI and IAA combined have over 250 and D3 has quite a few. I just threw out a quick estimate.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 05, 2007, 12:41:41 am
Adam,

Not a shot at you personally - your's was just the last straw on all the App. State - Michigan "greatest upset of all time" BS that's been going around.  (If UM were to lose to EMU next month - THAT would be the greatest upset of all time [though we Hurons/Eagles like the guaranteed money and the 'away' game 6 miles from Rynearson Stadium]!  UM plays Duke in bball, but fball - never!)

We fans of d3 should be especially aware of the rampant condescension of 'analysts' of inter-divisional play.  ASU is probably one of the top 30-40 teams in the country (probably higher in a one-game match, though depth might do them in over a full season) - Duke (and EMU) most definitely are not.

BTW, my grad school was Michigan.  I'm well aware that hatred of the Wolverines is a geographical hazard endemic to those from the state 'down south', but I like you anyway!  (Myself, I'm not too fond of the 'hairy nuts' in Columbus!) ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 05, 2007, 01:23:55 am
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App. State - Michigan "greatest upset of all time" BS that's been going around.  (If UM were to lose to EMU next month - THAT would be the greatest upset of all time [though we Hurons/Eagles like the guaranteed money and the 'away' game 6 miles from Rynearson Stadium]

Well stated, and so refreshing to see the former nickname incorporated with the current.  As an "old f*rt, misplaced midwesterner stuck in Atlanta," there are certain aspects of southern football (which I'm sure JacketsFan will attest to) that folks from the north may not understand.  The Appalachian States, Georgia Southerns, and East Carolinas are not small schools - all have undergraduate populations equivalent to the MACs.  Further, competition for BCS rosters is far more keen, as the ACC and SEC cover a lot of geography/ talent pool and there is a shortage of mid-major alternatives for college play, compared to the east and midwest.  

Further, you have clubs like Wofford, Presbyterian, Davidson, W. Carolina, Elon, and Furman - which are small colleges compared to some of the MIAA and OAC playing D2, DIAA - heck the Catamounts from Culhowee got beaten by Florida in Gainesville almost as badly as the Bucks did in Phoenix.   ;)

And yeah, I did my grad work at CMU and some post grad courses in Ann Arbor as well.  ;D














 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on September 05, 2007, 01:38:51 am
In the 60s (and perhaps before and when Duke was a national power in football)) U/M played Duke in football at least twice.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 05, 2007, 05:42:40 am
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That's an easy one now, but the point was at one time I heard Ty nicknamed 'Black Jesus.' That changed real quick when he started losing. Then it was Ty Davie. Regardless, and this may be a little premature, but does anyone else think Notre Dame may have jumped the gun on Weiss. I mean, he has yet to beat a team who ranked in the top 15 while at Notre Dame. His record against teams who were ranked at the time is decent (about .500) but against teams who finish as top 15/20 programs, his record is horrible.

I'm not a ND fan but I think they gave Ty Willingham a premature exit and didn't give him a fair chance. So far, both he and Weiss have started out very similar. Both had great success, and now Weiss is faced with a team who has a great chance to be bad, like Bob Davie bad or worse. I wonder if he will receive the same treatment as Ty.

well said..and yes, i do think nd may have jumped the gun a bit with weiss...as you suggest, his record so far against the big boys is far from impressive...and i think his arrogance is already begining to wear a bit thin...we'll see. it's just amazing to me how a school like nd, with its reputation, resources and its own network for crying out loud, can drop to this level...i can see some ups and downs...but based on week one performance and who they play the rest of the year (and kudos to them for scheduling some good schools)..it could get really ugly...

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 05, 2007, 06:45:19 am
It is nice to see some D3's remembered in the "greatest upset of all time (http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/rank?versionId=1&listId=34)", i.e., the 1921 Centre College win over Harvard and the 1926 Carnegie Tech win over Knute Rockne's Notre Dame.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2007, 08:32:06 am
Adam,

I used to subscribe to Blue and Gold Illustrated (and I am an ND fan).   According to sources in that publication, Willingham was playing alot of golf during the recruiting times.  He used smoke and mirrors to start his first season 8-0...using Bob Davie's recruits on defense and offense (offensively they were terrible).  Most outsiders say that he wasn't given a chance to groom his own recruits and thats a fair point, but they also don't know that YES, he recruited a couple standouts but not the level that even Davie had recruited and thus had to be let go. 

Fairly or unfairly, he wasn't doing his job..

Also, the jury is definitely still out on Weiss....he won with a few of Ty's recruits on offense and lost the big games with Ty's recruits on defense getting beat.  His handling of the QB situation has rubbed some the wrong way with the means he went about not telling anyone about it....then playing all 3.  The kicker was this week him saying he wasn't going to play musical chairs with the QB's....in announcing Clausen as starter. 

Myself, I can't wait for Dwayne Crist to be on campus this winter...He's a Carson Palmer type and I think will do well with the offense..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 05, 2007, 08:49:42 am
JacketsFan - GSU had some squads a few years back.  i dont think they would have matched up as well against UM as AppState.  GSU would confuse you with the option and then run it down your throat with the Bears RB (his TD run against Youngstown St in the championship where he has a hip toss/stiff arm at the goal line was the best run i ever saw).  But overpowering UM for 4 quarters is not a gameplan many folks win with.  App State will line up 4-5 screamers on the outside and run past you and have a QB that is impossible to tackle which happens to be michigans achilles heel.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2007, 10:01:12 am
DC70,

I saw that run....Adrian Peterson was the guy's name, if I remember correctly.

He had a brother that played LB for Florida and later the NFL for the Colts, I think.  Mike Peterson
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 05, 2007, 10:01:35 am
i had 5 friends who went to the game, and they all said it was one of the best games they have ever seen. they also said the app st. was faster and quicker at every position on the field!! they gave app st. a standing applause after the game. i'm not sure if the rest of the michigan faithful did the same. i am still in shock over them winning, but hey, when you can run and you can throw, anything is possible i guess. i thought mark may was going to punch lou holtz when he kept saying the spread was the equalizer.

dc shouldn't have to film their opponent like that. it's bush league and un-called for. olivet did that to fc a few years back, then wouldn't trade film. then fc thumped them on principle.

fc/wabash this week. huge game, tons of hitting expected in this one. i can't wait.

duke sucks, and yes there are a lot of DI teams that suck. there are also a lot of IAA that suck, and a lot of DII's that suck, and DIII's that suck. i think EMU played northern michigan in the late 70's and got whooped by them. it happens, but when you are #5 you better play the #5 card and beat somebody. detroit radio has been calling for Les Miles to take over michigan and fire carr. they apparently do not care that app st was loaded. they expect michigan to win.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 05, 2007, 10:02:38 am
and it would be weird if they put bo in a glass case and put him down the hall for old time's sake. i know, you didn't mean that, i had a mental image and wanted to share that.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2007, 10:05:55 am
Les Miles huh? 

He's a "Bo Disciple", but how long do you think his mouth would endear him to the UM fan base?  He's already called out USC this year...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: money on September 05, 2007, 10:08:12 am
In regards to the Charlie WEIS and Willingham discussion.    There is no comparision as Saintsfan pointed out Ty was golfing instead of recruiting take a look at the senior class at Notre Dame there isn't one nearly all of the starters on Saturday were Freshman and Sophmore's.  Infact Tys last two recruiting classes he only had 2 Olineman.  If you follow Notre Dame closely you would know there is no comparision...  Charlie has recruited a top 5 class, #8 last year and currently the top recruiting class this year.  he has won 19 games in two years...They will take their licks this year because Ty slacked on the recruiting trail and ND has no upperclassman and no depth.....but mark my words after this year ND will be atop of college football for years to come the talent/speed is coming.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 05, 2007, 10:29:56 am
plus, i think everybody is scared of weiss. that man knows how to win.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: money on September 05, 2007, 10:40:51 am
maybe they are scared of weiss is that walt weiss the former short stop for the oakland A's....Charlie Weis notice only one 'S'  sorry just me being an ass but everyone spells his name wrong...kindof like Kerry Wood everyone spells it  Woods pet peive of mine
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2007, 10:42:54 am
Great story on a Bluffton RB and survivor of the bus wreck this spring...on the front page..

Guy changed his number to 5...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 05, 2007, 10:56:49 am
Les Miles?  What exactly has Les Miles ever won?  I'm not a Michigan guy or even really a Big Ten guy (I grew up in Pac-10 country) so I have no dog in this hunt...I just don't know what Les Miles has ever actually accomplished that sets him apart from somebody like Lloyd Carr.  I tend to agree that Michigan could use a change of pace, but I'm not sure I'd be thrilled about hiring Les Miles if I were a Wolverine fan. 

Are any of you FC guys headed over to C'ville this weekend?  Should be a great game on Saturday. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2007, 11:13:15 am
Wally,

He'd talk his way out of the job during the interview process...

His one claim to fame is beating Oklahoma a couple times during his stay at Okie State.....not exactly a great resume.  LSU fans are ready to have his head delivered to them should he not win the West Division this year for the third year in a row...while having superior talent.  Seems like he would be the same "pace" they are at now with Carr...losing big games with superior talent..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 05, 2007, 12:14:41 pm
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Charlie Weis notice only one 'S'  sorry just me being an ass but everyone spells his name wrong...kindof like Kerry Wood everyone spells it  Woods pet peive of mine

Thanks for the spell check---I must have been blinded by that ridiculous SB ring the arrogant one carts around on his finger...but nice reference to walt weiss... ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: money on September 05, 2007, 12:46:48 pm
He does have 3 of them....there are just some people who are going to hate ND and their coach no matter what they do ...I have a feeling if he was coaching your favorite team you wouldn't see him as being arrogant......maybe I am a little biased...Kindof like how I hate the sweatervest in columbus and the snakes salesman in Florida...we all look through different glasses
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 05, 2007, 01:45:00 pm
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I have a feeling if he was coaching your favorite team you wouldn't see him as being arrogant......maybe I am a little biased...Kindof like how I hate the sweatervest in columbus and the snakes salesman in Florida...we all look through different glasses

point well taken...i'm a convert to the other side...grew up as a HUGE ND fan but began to waver after Lou left...and the decreasing on field performance and increasing arrogance (my take) have combined to adjust my view of the domers...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2007, 01:58:54 pm
INQB,

its not too late to come back...there's alot of room on the bandwagon now that they'll have a down year....

I was pissed when Lou left, but also you have to consider they won't let anyone break Rockne's record for wins...

I miss the building up of opponents as only Lou could do..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 05, 2007, 04:14:55 pm
Hey so winners and losers from week 1??  I'm not just talking about wins and losses....

Looks like MSJ has a couple "chinks" in the armor from their game against Wilma...my question is, How many times did the Lions have to defend the bubble screen?

Defiance and Hanover also look like they had tough days.  Some MIAA'ers weren't expecting 'yo' Adrian to take it to the Jackets like that...with 35 points scored and 270 yards gained.  Sounds like the DC Defense was put in some tough spots.

Glad to see Thomas More end the Hanover series with a win...

Big game this weekend at Wabash...does Franklin compete like last season?

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 05, 2007, 05:13:44 pm
Defiance again is struggling w/ offensive turnovers once again.  Turning it over 5 times to Adrian's 0 doesn't give you a snowball's chance in hell to winning.  I would like to see what they are capable of when they put it all together.

On the Franklin/Wabash game, I think Franklin will most certainly compete.  I think Franklin is even better this year compared to last year. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 05, 2007, 06:43:31 pm
MSJ finally looks like they have a legit QB. It's only been 1 game, but his numbers were good. I'll have to wait to see him in person Saturday night.

I took a shot at Michigan cause I hate Michigan. Do I think Duke would really beat them...no. But whenever I have the chance to down the state up north, I do it.

If Ty was indeed working on his professional golf game rather than recruiting then he deserved to be ousted, however, when you start to lose, everyone looks for a reason to can you. Maybe 3-4 rounds of golf during recruiting season was made out to be he golfed every day. I think if you give someone a contract, you honor that contract unless made void by an action. I would like to know what happens IF (and it's a big if) Charlie Weis starts to struggle. Notre Dame can't afford to get out of that 10-year deal.


Any MSJ guys...what's the deal for Saturday. Drinking in the parking lot? Anyone got a spot?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 05, 2007, 07:05:09 pm
Sayer, Richard and I caught some big-ass fish Saturday. We thought about you and then caught some more big-ass fish. Shoulda been here, dude.

DC - I don't know, Cisco. It don't look good to me. The only reason Otterbein didn't smear them last year was because DC's defense kicked their teeth in the whole game. Mr. I'll Pass To Anyone Not Wearing A DC Jersey screwed the pooch that game last year and will this year too if they play him. DC ought to let one of the two new freshmen QBs give it a try. They might even surprise someone.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 05, 2007, 08:09:06 pm
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Notre Dame can't afford to get out of that 10-year deal.

Wouldn't be so sure - aside of UM, Northwestern, UChicago, Wash U, and Case Western, they've a bigger stash of money than about any other midwestern school, though it would undoubtedly require some fancy accounting and side-steps around some fund requisites.

Defiance - how about putting Vetter into a DB position?  Perhaps his ability to find them from an offensive side (double meaning deliberate ;D), might transfer into a defensive mode? He may need a dose of what we called in high school, the Dick Strahm fear coefficient.  Otterbein may make for a long day in the Back 40.

Wabash-Franklin.  Should be very interesting, and there is some inherent curiosity as to what Leonard will pull from his hat to equate the big plays by Sears in last year's matchup.  In spite of a lowly showing at the Wheaton scrimmage last week, Russell, Green, Banach, and some other LGs didn't play, and CC may not have wanted to show a hand or risk injury.  Rumblings from Crawdadsville are that the LGs are substantially faster and in a serious state of mind for this week's Hollett encounter.  Should be a good game, and the wagers are flying amongst my family -
three FC alums, two 'Bash alums - though "dragon lady" wants to head up to Bryan by way of Defiance, I'm driving - we're going through Indiana.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 05, 2007, 08:17:39 pm
I'd be tempted to move Vetter into a running back position. He's got speed and agility. He's got some size on him and he's pretty strong. From what I hear, he's diligent about his time in the gym and working out. Who knows, that might be where lies his strength. No shame in that. Let's see, I can be an unsuccessful QB and not win games or a successful RB and win games .... Hmmm.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on September 05, 2007, 08:24:14 pm
Weekly Wabash Press Release with game preview and 2-deep match-ups:  Wabash College vs. Franklin College.

 http://www.wabash.edu/sports/docs/Release9507.pdf

Is Franklin's returning center Mark Evans hurt?  How did Wheat beat out Henkle - same question, is Henkle hurt?

Serious matchup problems in secondary could help Bash.

Expect a very good game...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 06, 2007, 12:17:24 am
You have a point, JacketsFan.  Move to RB might make life easier for the O-Line being able to block down instead of chase down.

"...and the vegetable will respond to you."
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 06, 2007, 07:17:04 am
well, last week they were. this week they may not be.

what do you guys think about this subject, players acts like a complete jergogh in practice. they get in trouble, a total bad seed. do you kick this young man off the team or run him like bobby bowden ran peter warrick before the bowl game for stealing?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 06, 2007, 07:22:44 am
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I was pissed when Lou left, but also you have to consider they won't let anyone break Rockne's record for wins...

I miss the building up of opponents as only Lou could do..

Indeed...loved him as a motivator...and truly one of the great dinner/luncheon speakers...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 06, 2007, 07:52:26 am
is Franklin a "man or zone" team on defense?  I don't think the "serious match up problems in the 2ndary" will matter a whole lot should the Grizz employ a zone defense.  Now if they go mano y mano, different story. 

Sounds like Wabash head guy Creighton thinks Special Teams and Turnovers could be a problem area in their first game of the young season.  Also heard they didn't play some of their starters in that scrimmage.   Should be interesting Saturday none-the-less.

Developing..

Also, on DC's QB situation....an observer had said somewhere that DC's #1 QB was throwing the ball up for grabs and also that the Jackets had no interest in getting the ball to the stud receiver.  Is this so?  Do you think these guys have been coached up properly? 

(Not) Developing..

victory,

you boot the mofo.  Cancer is cancer no matter which way you cut it.  If you let this kid back with no repercussions, then the coach's authority comes into play, IMO.   Look at MSJ last year...by the way, has anyone checked on our boy lately?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 06, 2007, 08:24:47 am
it is comical that every person i have asked that question to has said "boot the motha" and move on. funny that every coach on the staff said the same thing, but the head coach was afraid he'll end up on the street. now if that isn't the tail wagging the dog, i don't know what is. hell, he even got a 2 week vacation without practice to think about how he dropped f-bombs all over the coach.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on September 06, 2007, 08:28:36 am
Sayer,

I am going to Hunington for the Marshall WVU game.  Should be a blowout but the food and drink should be good.  I will see you at the next home game.

Jerome Bettis said yesterday on PTI that it is going to get worse for the Irish before it gets better.

In my eyes, if they win a bowl game it will be a good year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 06, 2007, 08:41:59 am
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In my eyes, if they win a bowl game it will be a good year.

I think if they GET to a bowl game it will be  GREAT season. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 06, 2007, 09:33:06 am
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Developing..

Also, on DC's QB situation....an observer had said somewhere that DC's #1 QB was throwing the ball up for grabs and also that the Jackets had no interest in getting the ball to the stud receiver.  Is this so?  Do you think these guys have been coached up properly?

Saints Fan,

According to DC stat ledger, aforementioned stud caught eleven balls (109 yds, 1TD) so it appears the problem may be one of getting said ball into proximity of the right-colored jersey.  Three interceptions, two lost fumbles, and six penalties for seventy-five yds (all fifteeners' ???) versus no opposition miscues goes a long way in explaining that outcome.  Wonder if starting QB has been checked for achromatopsia, but 18 rushes for 85 yds is indicative that he can run away from trouble if warranted.  Back up was perfect 2-2 for 14.  Didn't want to go through Westerville and deal with OSU football traffic anyway.

Victory Bell,

Is "the mothe" a candidate for the Vick School of Character Development and Cultural Pursuit? We've a current vacancy in Atlanta...

signed,

A blank  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 06, 2007, 09:45:22 am
it is comical that every person i have asked that question to has said "boot the motha" and move on. funny that every coach on the staff said the same thing, but the head coach was afraid he'll end up on the street. now if that isn't the tail wagging the dog, i don't know what is. hell, he even got a 2 week vacation without practice to think about how he dropped f-bombs all over the coach.

Where the hell was this?  Or can you say?  Not a good situation...


cave2bens,

I didn't see the stats...just going off of what was said, you know what happens when you assume.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 06, 2007, 10:02:12 am
can't say where, but it involves a very fast running back. speed is paramount in making these decisions. the back-up guard and fb got the axe over the summer.

interesting article i found:

BY MICHAEL ROSENBERG

FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

A few months ago, in a move that was neither announced nor reported, Michigan gave two-year contracts to all its football assistant coaches. Lloyd Carr had requested it.

Carr wanted some security for his assistant coaches in case he decided to retire after the 2007 season. The contracts are not rolling, but there is a mutual understanding that if Carr decides to come back in 2008, his assistants will be extended through 2009.

 
That way, if the assistants get fired and don't find other jobs, they each get a year's salary.

For Carr, this was one of the last steps in fulfilling the goal he laid out in May 1995, when his friend Gary Moeller was fired and Carr was suddenly the interim head coach: He wanted to leave the program in better shape than he found it.

"Bo and I had a lot of discussions in the last year about the future of this program," Carr said in a mid-August interview in his office in (Bo) Schembechler Hall. "We talked about a lot of things. And what I do know is that the only thing I have control over is trying to make sure that the day I leave, I can have peace of mind in knowing that I have done everything I can do to have this program in a position where it is in great shape."

How great? Michigan has earned Bowl Championship Series bids in three of the last four years. Only Ohio State, Southern California and Oklahoma can say that.

And as Carr sat in his office last month, he knew his 2007 team could head to another BCS game. He had senior stars Mike Hart, Chad Henne and Jake Long. The schedule was favorable. Ohio State and Notre Dame were breaking in new quarterbacks, and both schools were coming to Ann Arbor. So were Oregon and Penn State.

The pieces were in place for a run at the national championship. And if that happened, and Carr decided to announce his impending retirement in early December ...

Well, Carr has been adamant that school president Mary Sue Coleman and athletic director Bill Martin will choose his successor.

But wouldn't they have to ask him his opinion?

Wouldn't he be able to steer them toward somebody who would maintain the integrity of his program?

Would Martin really hire a coach who would take a broom through the entire coaching staff that had just earned a spot in the national title game? According to 2006-07 salaries, if the coaches all sat out the following year, Michigan would have to pay them $1,230,939 to not coach, on top of a likely raise of a few hundred thousand bucks for the new guy, because Carr has always been underpaid relative to his peers.

Wouldn't Carr have some leverage then, even if it was unspoken?

First things first: Carr told people privately that he was seriously worried about his team's opening game, against two-time defending I-AA champion Appalachian State. He knew there were legitimate questions about his defense, that Appalachian State had fast players running the spread offense, and that he wouldn't be able to fully evaluate his personnel until after the first game.

And Carr knew that, despite public perception, the best I-AA programs are better than a few dozen I-A teams. He would never, ever say this, but anybody watching film of Appalachian State and Eastern Michigan could see that Appalachian State was a much better team.

Carr's team was supposed to open the season against Eastern. Get the feet wet, win by three or four touchdowns, move on to the big boys. But Martin moved the EMU game to October and searched for a new opponent.

Martin found Appalachian State.

As he spoke in his office in August, Carr knew his opener was tougher than anybody realized.

But of course, he did not expect to lose.

And he could not foresee the national story that the loss would create.

A fascinating story

This is the story, which everybody has heard by now: Little Appalachian State beat mighty Michigan, 34-32, in one of the biggest upsets in college football history. Appalachian State is in the division formerly known as 1-AA, and no 1-AA school had ever beaten a ranked team.

Michigan was outcoached, outplayed and totally embarrassed itself. Carr's team looked unprepared. Kirk Herbstreit, arguably the best college football analyst on TV, told a national viewing audience Saturday night on ABC that it's surprising that Appalachian State could even stay on the field with Michigan.

That is the story.

In many ways, it should be the story. It is, objectively speaking, a fascinating story.

But for a moment, let's try to separate the story from the game.

Mountaineers have talent

To fans in Michigan Stadium, or those tuning in, the first indication that Appalachian State would put up a real fight came after Michigan took a 7-0 lead. The Mountaineers responded with a 68-yard touchdown pass.

Two aspects of that touchdown pass provide insight into what transpired Saturday. One is that Michigan safety Stevie Brown blew the tackle. It was one of a litany of Michigan mistakes. The Wolverines absolutely were outcoached and outplayed. If you saw the game, you know that. Carr has acknowledged his team was unprepared, and he has taken responsibility.

But here is the other interesting part of that play, what you probably don't know: the Appalachian State receiver, Dexter Jackson, is one of the fastest players in the country. He ran the 100-meter dash in 10.51 seconds at the NCAA East Regionals in May and ran the 200 in 21.01.

For some perspective: the Southeastern Conference's best sprinters competed in the same meet, and only one, Florida's Willie Perry, finished ahead of Jackson in either race.

See, Appalachian State has some excellent players, too. Not as many. But some.

There is a perception that there is a big gap between 1-A (now called the Bowl Subdivision) and I-AA (now called Championship Subdivision) football, and that the 113 1-A schools are all better than the best 1-AA teams.

It isn't true. BCS analyst Jerry Palm told the Free Press that "the really good I-AA teams can win the Sun Belt and win the (Mid-American Conference)." We know this is true, because in 1997, Marshall jumped from I-AA to I-A and won the MAC.

Nobody wants to hear that, and who can blame them? Michigan should still beat the best team in the MAC. And the story is irresistible.

Carr's savvy underestimated

This is the kind of story that people in the news business say "has legs." Monday, two days after the game, people around the country were still buzzing about. Various media outlets have echoed this headline in The New York Times:

"Upset in the Books, Focus Now Shifts to a Coach's Future."

The Times speculated that Carr might step down after the season. Fans and other reporters have wondered: How long will Martin let Carr coach?

Anybody asking that question does not understand the dynamics in play at Michigan. Martin could not fire Carr if he wanted to, and there is no indication he wants to. People continually underestimate Carr's political savvy and the respect he garners within the university.

How can the school keep a coach who has lost five of six to Ohio State, has not won a bowl game since 2002 and just suffered the most embarrassing loss in school history?

Hmm. Maybe it has something to do with the fact he has won almost 76% of his games, won the school's only national title since 1948, has never had a losing season, has never been in trouble with the NCAA or the law and has finished in the top 10 in three of the last four years.

How many coaches in the history of college football have been fired with that resume?

Any?

U-M not necessarily doomed

The story is that Appalachian State beating Michigan is unprecedented.

Absolutely true.

But there are a few near-precedents that are worth noting.

In 1999, Stanford lost to San Jose State and won the Pac-10. That same year, Alabama lost to Louisiana Tech and won the mighty SEC. Last year, I-AA Montana State beat Colorado.

That doesn't mean Michigan should have lost to Appalachian State. Of course Michigan should have won, just as Michigan should beat Indiana or Northwestern or Syracuse, teams that are probably all worse than Appalachian State this year.

But this doesn't mean the Wolverines are doomed for the rest of the year.

This week, Lloyd Carr and his players can't do anything about the story. It has already been told too many times, and it is too irresistible. The stain of humiliation is not coming out.

But they can do something about what happened in the game. They can cut down on the mistakes. They can put a spy on Oregon's quarterback, as they did against Appalachian State in the second half Saturday, and (finally) slow down a spread offense. Henne can recover from one of his worst games to show why he will be a first-day NFL draft pick.

They can beat Oregon, beat an undermanned Notre Dame team and contend for the Big Ten title.

But they can only do it if they can get past the story.

Still Bo's program

Room 2012 in Schembechler Hall remains largely untouched since last November. There are still letters sprayed across the desk, pictures hanging on the wall, Post-it notes stuck to random pieces of paper. This is not an accident.

"As far as I'm concerned," Carr said, "that's Bo's office."

As far as he's concerned, this is Bo's program. Not necessarily in style (Michigan's offense has changed drastically in the last 17 years, despite complaints from disgruntled fans) but in substance. The head coach still does not think he is bigger than the university. The assistants still try to follow every recruiting rule to the letter.

Carr bristles whenever somebody implies he is determined to hand-pick his successor from his own staff. He doesn't want the impression that he is running the search, or that his successor will not have earned the job.

But I think there is another reason Carr objects when people say he is set on handing the keys to one of his assistants:

It isn't true.

Carr wants somebody who upholds his beliefs about the program. That doesn't necessarily mean somebody with Michigan ties. It means somebody with Michigan values. For example, if Coleman and Martin could somehow lure Kirk Ferentz away from Iowa, you would surely hear glowing comments about the hire from Carr.

Carr's fear is not getting fired, which won't happen, or losing to Ohio State again, which might. He doesn't even fear that an outsider will take over the program. No. He just does not want the football program to suffer a scandal like the one that brought down the Michigan basketball program.

Carr wants a successor who respects the tradition and legacy of the program while winning most of his games in an ever-evolving, cutthroat sport. That is what Carr has done. He is far from perfect. But that is what he has done.

One thing about college sports: Coaches tend to know who is clean and who isn't. Not every scandal gets reported. Some coaches have great reputations in the media but not with their colleagues.

If Martin and Coleman focus on a coach who Carr believes cheats, will Carr warn them?

"I will absolutely do that," he said in August.

He paused.

"I should qualify that by saying I will absolutely do that if I'm asked," he said. "And I hope I will be asked."

Contact MICHAEL ROSENBERG at 313-222-6052 or mrosenberg@freepress.com.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 06, 2007, 04:27:47 pm
I still think there is no excuse for UofM losing to App State, Lyodd Carr won his national title w/ Moellar's recruits, & I do think a coach should get fired if they can't beat their rival & have lost their last four bowl games.

Viva la Bo!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 06, 2007, 06:15:32 pm
agreed
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tricksnaps56 on September 06, 2007, 07:58:52 pm
FYI,

Hanover is trying to work it out so that they still play TMC.  They just want to add Centre and still play Butler.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 06, 2007, 11:01:45 pm
How about the Bearcats whipping the Pac-10 on ESPN. I think their defense had 5 TO's including a blocked punt which UC scored 27 of their 34 points from. The UC offense struggled. At the time (game is still going on) they have negative yards rushing and about 145 passing.

MTSU and Louisville was interesting. They played a 4-quarter 7 on 7 game as it was 50 something - 42 with a whole quarter to play.

I love Lloyd Carr. I hope he stays at Michigan for another 10 years.

The best part of the UC game was ESPN gave The Chicken on the Run a shout out. The Chicken, as us locals call it, is a little bar (primarily) and grill (secondarily) in Deer Park about a half mile down the street from me on Ohio Ave. They started talking about Skyline and someone mentioned The Chicken. Great.

Also, another famous Deer Parkian, Bill Cunningham, was in the news for calling Adam Dunn a drunkin monkey in Left Field. Everyone made a fuss about it but the chances are it's true. Word around "was" that Dunn would drink a 6-pack before the games...as a local reporter had stated (Off the record of course.) I believe the words were, "Adam Dunn's a decent ball player but he would be a lot better if he didn't drink a 6-pack before the game."

Who loves The Park...I do, but they're going down Friday night!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 07, 2007, 12:15:38 am
Pick 'em's are updated - don't forget to make your picks for Week 2.

Colts got off to a rousing start tonight - defense looked a lot better than I expected.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 07, 2007, 08:21:53 am
Tricks,

Thats great news...I knew HC wasn't going to pu$$ out of a rivalry game like others have..

adam,

it was 5 INT's and 7 TO's overall for the UC Defense....amazing, I couldn't believe the score when I turned it on in the 4th quarter (I had to play softball last night).   

ESPN did a replay of the U of L game.  It was 21-14 after 4 minutes of play.  They had 500 yards of offense between them after the first quarter, with Brohm throwing for 223 yards in the quarter....amazing.  They SHOULD drop giving up that amount of points to Middle Tennessee St. 

No wonder Dunn got all pi$$y when Cunningham said this.  BTW, thats the 2nd time he's said his mom called him crying.  Nice ploy, Dunn....next time nobody will believe you.  She already can't listen to Marty and Cowboy...

Something has to explain the way he plays in the field and the reason he can't do anything but pull the ball (reminds me of a drunken softball player I saw last night)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 07, 2007, 08:52:46 am
Here's a nice link about the Mountaineers. Apparently App State T-shirts have been selling like hotcakes in Ohio. Hmmm.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3008022
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on September 07, 2007, 10:29:25 am
Any one going to the MSJ game Saturday Night?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on September 07, 2007, 10:32:35 am
I'm pissed that I missed thous two games.  When I got home it was already half time for both games.  And then fell asleep by 10o'clock and didn't get see any of the Elder kids play.

The Chicken?  Where the hell is that place, never heard of it.  Oh it must be on the east side of 75.  Any over there scares me.

Sayer, the only reason why you like Carr is because he can't beat Jim Tressel.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on September 07, 2007, 10:47:36 am
Did they mention Never on Sunday?  and Squeak the barber/mayor of Deer Park?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 07, 2007, 01:26:27 pm
Did they mention Never on Sunday? 


Nope, I don't think I heard them mention The Browns one time. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 07, 2007, 11:26:59 pm
FUNNY.

I'll be at the game. Purcell came up short against Da Park 14-9. Lots of TO's and Purcell not being able to put the ball in the endzone in the 1st quarter hurt them. They settled for 3 and had to go for two at the end of the game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on September 08, 2007, 01:35:44 pm
Any updates on FC, Wabash game?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 02:09:30 pm
Wabash 14
Franklin 10

In the rain, second quarter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 02:22:22 pm
WABASH 21
FRANKLIN 10

51 pass from Huff to Banach; 86 yd drive... 3 passing TDs for Huff

Hartsfield had 75 yd TD for Griz.  3 minutes left in 1st half.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 02:36:53 pm
Phantom interference call, and a supposed, juggling act in the endzone...can only go with the commentators are saying...

Franklin scores a touchdown near the end of the half w/ 15 seconds.  W 21, Griz 17 (?)

2 seconds to go - Wabash has ball at midfield;
Rode tackled before ball got to him at 2 yd line - no freakin' flag.  Bull ^&*
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 08, 2007, 03:04:22 pm
Any word on any other HCAC action?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 03:09:15 pm
Haven't seen any posts for games in Richmond or Madison.  Think rest are scheduled for evening.  Bash scored right out of locker room, and just got ball back again with 11:43 left in 3rd.  Bash 28, Franklin 17
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 03:36:02 pm
Griz has strong 83 yd drive that ends in FG.  Wabash turns around, drives 63 yds in two plays.  Huff has 4th TD to Guerro - Wabash 35 and Franklin 20.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on September 08, 2007, 03:37:38 pm
How much time is left in the game?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 03:41:43 pm
12:48 left in 4th.  Franklin has ball on "Bash 39
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 03:49:10 pm
Franklin drives the ball in from the 44 - Rupp to Gorrell.  35-27, and roughing the passer penalty doesn't help Wabash.  10+ minutes left
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 08, 2007, 04:14:33 pm
Sounds like FC has the same problem as the FC teams in the past...DEFENSE.

I'm currently watching the Michigan game and The Ducks just ran the swinging gate for the 2pt conversion and lead 11-7. Michigan just fumbled deep in their own territory. Things keep going like this, I'd expect Lloyd's resignation Monday morning.

Ohio State's offense struggled but the defense pitched a shutout. Looks like they are going back to tressel ball. I know they haven't played anyone, bu their D looks tough.

I'll get back to y'all after I get back from the MSJ game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 04:20:22 pm
Franklin scores; 2 pt conversion missed.  Wabash 35, Franklin 33.  24 seconds left.

Wabash recovers on-side kick, and Dustin Huff injured on the play.  He's finally up, but being assisted from the field (ankle).  Hudson in at QB.  Combined offense over 1000 yds.  "Hands" are one thing, but a star QB (27-44, 4 TDs, 477 yards) on suicide squad?

Wabash takes the knees.  Downside is not beating the spread on NCAC board, and whether Huff is a longterm loss for a short term win.

Great game by both teams, and congrats to Franklin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 08, 2007, 04:47:02 pm
Congrats to Franklin. You guys played a great game and showed a ton of heart coming back. Rupp is a beast and you guys have a great year ahead of you. I hope we can meet again in the playoffs. Good luck Grizzlies.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 08, 2007, 07:32:42 pm
i am just glad the days of grizzly losses met with laughter and beer are now gone. losses these days involve a dark room, a game tape, beer, and a lot of self reflection.

wabash, heck of a team. played great. we'll be back next week and get this ship in the right direction again. i know we are all personally hoping to see you in the playoffs.

lick your wounds, find out how you can do better, and get back out there.

"Keep sending him back up."
- Tom Skerrit, to his admiral in Top Gun concerning Maverick
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 08, 2007, 08:10:26 pm
What's going on with the DC/Ott game? I can't get the game for some reason, only the silly radio station music. Wasn't the game supposed to start 7:30?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 08, 2007, 09:11:56 pm
VBell,

How many times was Henkle's name called today?  I lost count - he had a monster game.  As did Rupp, but that seems to be the norm for him against Wabash.  Gorrell had a big game, and Hartsfield had a huge run.  I can tell you that even up 28-17, the lead never felt safe (for good reason, as it turned out).  Good luck the rest of the way - as you said, there may be a rematch looming in the near future.  I just hope we're at full strength the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 08, 2007, 11:02:16 pm
Saw on the OAC board that the DC game was delayed due to the weather conditions.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 08, 2007, 11:50:11 pm
Oregon 39, Michigan 7

Michigan 0-2

I can't imagine the natives are going to stand for much more of this.

Just breaks my heart!  :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 08, 2007, 11:50:47 pm
can somebody explain to me why your qb was on the hands team? after he torches the grizzly secondary to the tune of a million yards, why is he on that team???? probably the only poor coaching job by wabash the whole day. i hope he is back soon, and at full strength.

rupp, hinkle, good ball players, great people. you'll find them both very humble, i'd want them to take my sister out on a date.

long day of ball, i still haven't received all the scores, i am calling it a day. god bless america for letting us get a day of ball like this, even though the grizzlies came up short. by damn, we still have a shot to be 9-1 and making the playoffs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 08, 2007, 11:53:21 pm
Last score seen from Westerville - DC 13 and Otterbein 0 at the half.   :o
So much for pool action today, but at least I picked Heidelberg  ;)

VB - and after your sister, have them take my wife out (please) and give me a break  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 09, 2007, 12:03:30 am
The Michigan game was an ugly one today & their backup doesn't look like the savior either.  Hopefully Henne is ok & Mich can bounce back.  I'm just happy this is Carr's last year at the Big House b/c they'll be losing even more talent this year than last.   
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 09, 2007, 12:24:54 am
A trivia question (I don't know the answer, but I'm sure dozens of sportswriters/broadcasters will inform me in the coming week!) which will warm the hearts of Michigan and/or Notre Dame haters: as the two winningest programs in college football, have they EVER faced each other with a combined 0-4 (or worse) record?  And since one has to win, one lose, this coming week, has there ever been a year when they started 0-3, 1-2 (or worse) in the same year?

I have already seen that this is the first time UM has started with two losses at home since 1959.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: matblake on September 09, 2007, 12:32:29 am
A trivia question (I don't know the answer, but I'm sure dozens of sportswriters/broadcasters will inform me in the coming week!) which will warm the hearts of Michigan and/or Notre Dame haters: as the two winningest programs in college football, have they EVER faced each other with a combined 0-4 (or worse) record?  And since one has to win, one lose, this coming week, has there ever been a year when they started 0-3, 1-2 (or worse) in the same year?

I have already seen that this is the first time UM has started with two losses at home since 1959.

This is the first time ever the U of M and ND have both started 0-2 so they have never faced each other under these conditions. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 09, 2007, 12:44:20 am
Quote
A trivia question (I don't know the answer, but I'm sure dozens of sportswriters/broadcasters will inform me in the coming week!) which will warm the hearts of Michigan and/or Notre Dame haters: as the two winningest programs in college football, have they EVER faced each other with a combined 0-4 (or worse) record?  And since one has to win, one lose, this coming week, has there ever been a year when they started 0-3, 1-2 (or worse) in the same year?


Holtz, et.al. broke down this very question at halftime of the LSU-VaTech... what was really startling was the PPG avg given up by each teams' defenses over the last four games - 37.6 for ND and 36.8 for MI.  That is bloody pathetic - h*ll, the US didn't give up that many points to England in the Rugby Championships, yesterday - that betting line was 34+
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 09, 2007, 12:49:19 am
DC 16 Ott 8 early in the fourth.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on September 09, 2007, 12:52:01 am
Franklin -  fantastic game today.  Rupp is topshelf and your defense is very tough against the run.   Your D ran into a prolific passing offense today that has many weapons, but it was almost not enough.

Good luck during the rest of the season and bring home a conference championship!

Are we on your schedule next year?  or was it a 2 year deal.   I would like to see you become a regular on the Wabash schedule. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 09, 2007, 12:59:08 am
DC 16  Ott 14   5:05 left.

Darned storms - I need my beauty sleep
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 09, 2007, 01:02:48 am
Damn, maybe DC is going to pull one out of its hat tonight. I still can't get the game. Cave2bens, have you been listening to it? How's DC done?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 09, 2007, 01:04:25 am
The thing that sucks for me is that I'm out here on the west coast & it's only 10 p.m. & I can't get the game on the web.  Now I'm waiting to get the final score so that I can finally go out.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 09, 2007, 01:09:30 am
Looks like that is it, DC 16 Ott 14!  Last time I checked the scoreboard.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 09, 2007, 01:10:46 am
Well I'll be sheep dipped! They pulled it off 16-14. Way to go DC! Anyone know any stats yet?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 09, 2007, 01:11:59 am
DC won it, and I have no idea how the game played out, JacketsFan.

My reception in Atlanta was about as good as yours in Fernandina Bch.

"It's easy to see, the crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe"
    along with the D3 sports links on the individual schools.  ::)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 09, 2007, 01:12:48 am
Nothing is up yet w/ stats on the HCAC site for dc
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 09, 2007, 01:33:33 am
" ...  And it was at that precise moment that he remembered an ancient Eskimo legend wherein it is written, on whatever it is that they write it on up there, that if anything bad ever happens to your eyes as a result of some sort of conflict with anyone named Nonook, the only way to get it fixed up is to go trudging across the tundra - mile after mile - trudging across the tundra right on down to the Parish of St. Alfonso ... "
 ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 09, 2007, 07:37:48 am
something tells me the offensive player of the week may be coming out of DC this week.

"Defiance’s Luke Dillon stole the show as he outgained the entire Otterbein offense (258-251) and set a school record with 258 receiving yards and 17 receptions"

3hr rain delay...that would suckthey probably got back at 4-5am today
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 09, 2007, 11:03:34 am
MSJ looked bad in the first half. I mean 2001 MSJ bad in the first half. But they still led at halftime 21-20. RHIT moved the ball up and down the field both with the run and pass and if it wern't for a couple of TO's, and a helluva kick return by MSJ, they would have been down 20-0. It didn't help that they lost the field position battle in the first half, but they looked horrible. There were about 10 of us on the hill who were on the 2004 team and we were embarrassed after the first half. One guy just flat out left.

The second half was a complete 180. I don't know if they underestimated RHIT and after the first half, woke up, but they looked pretty good. The QB had time (literally had 2 seconds to pass in the 1st half), Lovell made some good runs, and the defense stepped up and forced quite a few TO's.

MSJ's QB actually looks alright when he gets time to throw and has enough speed to make plays with his feet when things break down. He didn't throw any fade routes that were caught in the middle of the field cause "the wind took it." He did make a couple poor decisions but I would assume he will get better as he learns the college game a little more and gets some more PT (I thought the same would happen with Rashon, but......).

Being an O-lineman, I can't help but to say they need to be more consistent. They played like they didn't watch any film or prepare. I may not have been the best, most athletic, or the strongest, but I guarentee NO-ONE watched more film than me except for the coaches. I refused to be outprepared for a game. MSJ's O-line needs to start doing a little better preparation. RHIT's defense blew trough them like swiss cheese. Though the second half was better, an effort like that in the first half should get you ran and your a$$ thoroughly chewed. The QB literally had 2 seconds to throw. There were no holes for the HB. It all starts up front and the first half looked like they wern't ready. They need to put Anthony Bradford back on the OL. The kid is a good ball player and behind Wergers, is the best OL they have. He would greatly help playing guard.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 09, 2007, 11:21:10 am
This is something that I was told. Don't know if it's true, but if it is, and if this is where the MSJ program is heading, it really bothers me.

Soriano, who as most of you know is a spread guy, came from a pretty decent program at Anderson HS. They wern't unbelievable, but they were good and he ran a respectable program. Word is that he came in and met with Mike Lovell. The same Mike Lovell who helped build MSJ into a HCAC Championship contender. He reportedly told Mike that he would be splitting time with a freshman running back because he was from Anderson and already knew the offense. Don't get me wrong, this kid is a decent back for being a freshman. But Mike has put in the time, has had over 1000 yards rushing every year (if Ricky Story had not came back he would have had almost 2000 yards in 2004), and is a senior and gets told that he has to split time...with a freshman.

FCC did this in 2001 and we were 0-10. He and the coaching staff started a bunch of freshman over upperclassmen. The last game of the year against FC, we started 11 freshmen. The difference is, MSJ was a program who was sonsistently 2-8/3-7 and had never really had success. This team is 30-2 since 2004 in the regular season.

Again, this was something that was told to me. I don't know the whole story or if Mike had done something to impeed his PT, or even if this is true. I do know that very few stories are just made up for no reason so on that behalf, I believe there is some truth to this.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 09, 2007, 12:10:18 pm
That would be really messed up to make him split time w/ a freshman considering his resume.  So if it is true it doesn't say much about the coaching staff.

It was also nice to see Vetter throw for over three hundered yards & complete more than 50% of his passes.  It does help when Dillon had 258 of them yards & 17 of the completions, but I'll take it.  Looks like DC is running the same offese they did when I was thier w/ Mike Groll.  Groll would have 10+ receptions every game & the next receiver would have 2-3 receptions.  I guess if it gets DC a victory I'll take it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 09, 2007, 07:57:56 pm
Have seen a fair amount of post game perspective from the Wabash side...would be interested in what Franklin fans thought of the Grizzlies performance on both sides of the ball and how you see the team faring the rest of the year...

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 09, 2007, 10:33:37 pm
my side is that franklin will use this as motivation to finish strong and make a strong posting in the playoffs, hopefully. it was a good game for both teams, and will show both teams what they need to improve on.

splitting time is not nearly that bad, especially in a new offense. however, how different can the offense be? you either run inside or outside zone (which every team does nowadays) or you run some traps or tackle wraps, so what gives? i am sure his experience as a running back has well prepared for the "spread run game" and the nuances of it. has this causes some division on the msj team?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 10, 2007, 08:15:29 am
Not on the team, just amongst 10-15 former players who played with Mike and watched the game Saturday evening.

It's just my opinion that you're loyal to the guys who have been with you. I may give my opinion and at times may appear to be blasting or downgrading the MSJ team, but I'll always support them and somewhere inside feel hurt or letdown by poor performances. It's nothing new. I was my biggest critic in the film room and even something as small as stepping with the wrong foot made me feel like I was letting my team down. It's the little bit of OCD I have I guess. Regardless, I'm here now when a few have left due to the Hilvert situation and I'll be watching games 10-15 years down the road with my kids.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Rev on September 10, 2007, 08:40:25 am
Now that MSJ has been built up to the "powerhouse" that it is (quotations b/c they are only a powerhouse in the HCAC) Huber is now playing the best athlete at each position.  He doesn't care who your daddy is, where you went to high school or what you did for him last year.  Football is a game of what have you done for me lately. Lovell has been dinged up and had some injuries the past couple of seasons.  Maybe this freshman is as good as Lovell (with less wear) but those 2004 spectators have that loyalty to Lovell which might cause the division.  Sayer I am sure you watched quite a bit of film but I am positive that there were other teammates who watched a bit more than you.  I know i will get negative karma for dissing Sayer on here and spouting my opinions since they do not agree with the rest of the board oh well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 10, 2007, 08:58:50 am
rev,

we encourage other opinoins...  freedom of speech.


sayer,

I don't know what to say to that RB deal....  Lets just say this....Soriano does have a sizeable ego. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 10, 2007, 12:51:22 pm
an update on Sayer's boy...from the McMurry website:


Rashon Lewis had a roller coaster of a game in his first home game as quarterback for McMurry. The junior rushed for 180 yards on 17 carries and scored on 13 and 64 yard touchdown runs. He tossed two touchdowns and passed for 180 yards. However, Lewis threw four interceptions and was just 19 of 41 in passing. Even still, he produced 360 yards of total offense and his 64-yard touchdown run came on a 3rd down and 24 situation
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on September 10, 2007, 01:40:39 pm
sayer,

what type Defense did they play?  How did it look?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 10, 2007, 02:46:20 pm
The D looked like a 4-4.

I'm not going to argue over film. I'll just say I had films that I personally watched on my own time away from the facility on top of the 1-2 hours everyday before practice.

I know people love me but my opinion is only as good as everyone elses. You know I'll man up and admit when I'm in the wrong.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 10, 2007, 03:15:29 pm
Not sure i would hold much to the splitting time scenario, i would not take an opinion without being behind closed doors.  i would imagin Lovell is still the man but RB's tend to spilt time.  Even a workhorse like Rudi Johnson splits time (or would if those speedy guys were not pussies and injuring their Vaginas every year).

i dont know the players or their skills but if the kid can help make them better then cool.  i dont care if you are Ray Lewis, if there is someone who comes in and can make plays let them on the field even if it means spliltting time.  sometimes this can be a motivation tool.  even for a Sr. who has history.  

i have to guess it has somehting to do with one of the above becuase i highly doubt a program like MSJ would play games like your high school is better or my dad can beat up your dad, or my favorite your moms tits are bigger than his moms tits.

just my fellow opinion i have been wrong in the past too.  i just try not to admit it...why i am in sales.  time to crack a cold one for MNF WHO-DEY
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 10, 2007, 03:43:32 pm
70dcalum- you just love talking about other mother's tits :D. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 10, 2007, 05:35:14 pm
Who wouldn't.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 10, 2007, 07:48:30 pm
Mmmmm, Donuts! (Homer Simpson)
Mmmmm, Tits! (JacketsFan)

I'm still scratching my head over the DC victory Saturday night. Fluke or not? Anyone?

By the way, where's AngryWhiteMan been?

Our local high school football team has had three consecutive wins thus far. A scrimmage game and two regular games. First time in two or three years they've won any games. RB's the real deal. He piled up an insane amount of yards Friday night. Can't wait to see his stats.  They won 27-24 Friday night with a 94 yard kickoff return with 18 seconds remaining. Love it!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 10, 2007, 08:45:18 pm
AWM is still upset that MSJ let Hilvert go...at least thats what I'm told. He didn't show up to the game Saturday night.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 10, 2007, 09:00:41 pm
i need to have a football party...i am jaming with a millert Lite in my newly finished basement with theater seating and a 120" HD TV (projector with Screen) and 7 channel surround that real ponds some of these hits.  for those that wonder what 120" is that is 10 foot wide by 6 foot tall and this projector does HD crystal clear.

Has Been heading your direction in the AM but will only be out there for 2 days so i dont have any free time.  my trip the week of the 24th got cancelled.  i will be out in Vegas the 6-11th at the Mandalay if you want to road trip over on Sat night the 6th let me know, i have to get another that night since Mandalay is booked but either or it would be free to you if your new wife shows the knockers.

 i am out like Ray Lewis' tri in the first series (tough SOB is still laying the wood with 1 arm)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 11, 2007, 11:05:18 am
No kidding...Ray Lewis is a DOG.  He was still making plays, and taking the time on the bench in between series' to compose himself. 

I still would never want to meet him in a small alley because he'll stab you and then pay his boy to take the fall, but as a player he has no peer.

Who Dey?!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 11, 2007, 02:32:26 pm
I can bet he was also 'juiced up' on cortizone and any other pain killer they had handy. He still may not be able to feel his arm today. That's the kind of stuff I love. Play hurt. Don't let little boo boo's like a scratched retina slow you down.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 11, 2007, 05:43:04 pm
he is scary, but not LT scary. i still would not want to meet him at the 4 hole, or in a dark alley.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 11, 2007, 06:58:49 pm
A big shout out to DC receiver Luke Dillon and kicker Alex Bonilla, both of whom racked up conference and college records in Saturday's 16-14 win over Otterbein (and leaving those of us who didn't think DC could do it eating humble pie). HCAC Offensive Player of the Week Big Man Luke snagged 17 catches for 258 yards, breaking DC's previous record and the HCAC record for the most receiving yards in a single game (253 yards). Dillon's 17 catches also tied DC and the HCAC's previous record.

Alex "Hammer Foot" Bonilla booted his first three field goals in a Yellow Jackets uniform on his way to becoming HCAC Special Teams Player of the Week for nailing the uprights at 26 and 30 yards, then a 36 yard kick to seal the deal and win the game. Bonilla's three boots also tied DC's single game record for the most successful field goals in a game.

Dudes, way to go!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 12, 2007, 10:40:17 am
Good to see the accomplishments of some of the DC players.  My favorite one is  the kicker going 3 for 3 on field goals in a game.  Back in day when I was playing at DC we were lucky if the kicker could go 3 for 3 on extra points.
Hopefully Vetter will spread the ball around more this week so that he is prepared for HCAC action that will follow.  It is great that Dillon broke all of those records, but I do not want it to become an every week occurance.  I'm sure other teams will start double up on Dillon, so hopefully Vetter won't be trying to force the ball to him.
Looks like the Franklin game was an excellent one to be at.  Rupp & Hartsfield look pretty dangerous so far.  Also, MSJ still looking like a pretty solid team.  Looks like they do have an upgrade at QB w/ Palmer under the center.  Also, congrats to Manchester picking up a W this week. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 12, 2007, 08:50:33 pm
Hate to bust the DC feel good story but it seems like Bill Bellicheck hired their former GA. It will be interesting to see what kind of consequence Goodell hands down.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 12, 2007, 09:25:54 pm
Ouch!
 
That was rotten, Sayer. :o
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 13, 2007, 08:09:25 am
Know what else is rotten...having cellulitis in your foot. (pause for laughter because cellulitis sounds like cellulite.) I do not lie when I say this hurts like a SOB. On a scale of 1-10, I'd rate this an 8.5. My foot is swollen, has turned from red to purple, and the only time I get any type of pain releif is the 30min-3 hrs after I take my antibiotics. It's hard to walk. My life is miserable at the present moment.

If anyone runs into a situation where a part of your body swells up, and is red and warm and you have no idea what happend...go see a doc immediately.

The good news is my insurance took effect yesterday when I signed my contract (by the way, I am finally employed and am a full time Math teacher making peanuts...but I'm not complaining) but I had to pay out of pocket for everything yesterday because nothing had been entered onto Anthem's website. The 2 antibiotics were 14.99 and 19.99 which isn't bad but the cream for my athletes foot was almost 50. The visit was 100 so all in all it wasn't too expensive for not having insurance.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on September 13, 2007, 09:07:38 am
sayer, Where are you teaching?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 13, 2007, 09:38:59 am
congrats on the job. being employed is a good thing.

thursday night game: wvu vs. maryland.

i'm picking wvu by about 40.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on September 13, 2007, 09:50:54 am
Great news on the teaching front, Adam!  Perhaps making peanuts, but affording beer to wash them down with is a nice bonus.

Quote
If anyone runs into a situation where a part of your body swells up, and is red and warm and you have no idea what happend...

...and there's no suspicion of someone slipping you an ED "mickey"...  ;D ;D ;)

Seriously, cellulitis is a miserable malady, and wish you quick healing.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 13, 2007, 09:56:08 am
I had to pay out of pocket for everything yesterday because nothing had been entered onto Anthem's website.

That's why those Anthem execs make the big bucks.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 13, 2007, 10:03:32 am
ouch, that sucks.  Hopefully you get better soon.

Congrats on the job. 

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 13, 2007, 06:22:36 pm
Well thank you everybody. I'm teaching 6th, 7th, and 8th grade Math at St. John the Baptist in Colerain and this is the 3rd job I've had since August 28. I started out as Deer Park's building sub making $75/day. A day before their school started, Lockland hired me as an aide at the MRDD making $100.76/day, and now I got this which pays me $22,661/year. They docked 10% from me for the part of the school year I missed. It still comes out to be an extra $4,000 on the year and if I teach their next year, I'll get a $5,000+ raise.

The cellulitis still looks bad but the infected area isn't hard anymore. It's kind of jelly and mushy and it looks like a boil is trying to form. Now if the swelling would go down. My foot and ankle look like one of those 100 pound 2 year olds.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 13, 2007, 06:36:12 pm
Sayer, don't fart around with the cellulitis. It may sound fairly benign but it's serious when you get it in an extremity. I got it in my foot back in my Navy days and came within a few days of having it amputated when it finally started to get better. You'll get better pain relief if you keep it elevated when possible. Soak it in hot water every time you get the chance, too. Congrats on the job. Remember, being a math teacher and making peanuts is better than no job and making shack jit.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 14, 2007, 07:46:55 am
Fitting,

John the Baptist always told it like it was....and it resulted in his own beheading when he condemned King Herod's new marriage...

There's all that Catholic school upbringing I went through and now on THIS message board, its finally paid off! 

Question for everyone....whats MSJ's record the past 4 years?  The answer to that isn't what I'm looking for.  The real question is, how does an MSJ SID NOT promote this team to the fullest?  (I told a guy named "Billy White Shoes" that I'd bring attention to it).

So Thomas More hosts Grove City at Beechwood HS...."home" opener for the Saints while Ray Bosse Field at Bank of Kentucky Stadium (sound good?) is renovated....I think the Saints will be fired up to play their first home game under Hilvert and pull away in the 2nd half with their young team. 

MSJ at IWU....is IWU still a physically big team?  Do they have more skilled guys than last year?  We'll see....I think Lions by 9 (missed PAT)

Hanover at W&J.....freshman QB for Panthers....some are saying BEST EVER QB at W&J (Bobby Swallow)...and thats saying something....equals a 30 point win for the Presidents.

Other games:

Earlham at Anderson
Defiance at Tri-State
Adrian at Bluffton

OFF:  Manchester United, Franklin


Thoughts?



Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 14, 2007, 08:52:38 am
WEBN had Ryan Parker on today and he sang this song about the Patriot Scandel. It was pretty funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EU1O-hGxgg

As far as the games go, it depends on which MSJ team shows up. If the 1st half team from last week shows, IW will win. If the second half MSJ team shows up then MSJ will beat them by 20+ With that said I think you'll get a good mix and MSJ wins 35-21.

Interesting analysis: So far, the MSJ defense has given up 39 points in 2 games. Last year MSJ's defense didn't give up their 39th point until game 6 against Franklin. 2004 and 2005, it was game 4 against Hanover.

There's nothing wrong with telling it like it is. Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes you feel good, and sometimes when you sing about showing your boobs, it makes you feel really good. Thanks cave2Beans for the video attachment.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 14, 2007, 09:07:16 am
sayer if it makes you feel better i charge Wellpoint 3.8M a year to support my stuff and we just sold them about 9M in HW.  i am taking them for a little worse than what they got you for.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AnonymousFan on September 14, 2007, 10:54:10 am
SaintsFan

I hope you're right about the HC/W&J game.  It could be ugly.  HC's best 2 DBs were injured against Butler and at least one will definitely not be able to play.  Heard rumor they had to move some WRs over to their secondary.  Their frosh QB looks pretty good for the most part when he has time to throw.  Let's just hope he isn't gun shy after last weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 15, 2007, 02:26:21 pm
DC is up 13-3 at the half against Tri-State & Hanover is down 43-0 in the second...ouch!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 15, 2007, 02:57:56 pm
Are there any DC fans out there that have been able to get the DC link up from 105.7?  I've updated my software to the fullest & nada!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 15, 2007, 06:21:27 pm
Grove City 23
TMC 16

2:10  4th

I can't get the audio link to work...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 15, 2007, 06:33:38 pm
also is Defiance teasing us?  I picked them after their win last week and then they go out and do this today.  Damn.

Also bad day for my Irish....still ZERO offensive TD's through almost 12 quarters.  Sitting here with Michigan fans who are acting like they won a National Title today. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 15, 2007, 08:26:28 pm
I honestly don't know what to say ???  DC was up 13-3 & then lose 17-13!  This may be my saddest day as a DC football alum & we've had some sad moments.  Either Tri-State is muched improved or DC is really that bad.  This is just bad!bad!bad!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 15, 2007, 08:29:07 pm
Just read the box score & saw there was only 2:30 left in the game while DC had a 13-3 lead.  Again, it is just bad!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 15, 2007, 08:36:16 pm
I don't know what to say, either, 70_dc_alum. Richard and I listened to the game and it really seemed like DC had the upper hand for awhile. But those 45 yards in penalties during ONE of Tri-State's offensive drives killed us. Then we had a second chance at life with a couple of minutes to go and what would've been the game winning TD was recalled because an O-lineman, who wasn't even in the play because it was on the other side, held someone and the TD got called back. Vetter threw two pics and DC got down to Tri-State's door a couple of times but couldn't seem to get it. Tri-State is young, physical and aggressive but they aren't Franklin or Mount St. Joe. It sux. They've got the talent on the team. The defensive play calling in the second half, particularly the last quarter, didn't seem very aggressive, either.

It's the same thing we all said last year all year long. If DC doesn't start putting up more points, they're gonna get whipped.

PS: It's scary listening to a ballgame with Richard when his team is effing up.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 15, 2007, 09:09:44 pm
Keep Wheaton's QB in your prayers tonight.  Sounds like there was a problem that developed during their game today.

Reminds you of whats important.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 16, 2007, 11:02:11 am
I honestly don't know what to say ???  DC was up 13-3 & then lose 17-13!  This may be my saddest day as a DC football alum & we've had some sad moments.  Either Tri-State is muched improved or DC is really that bad.  This is just bad!bad!bad!

Tri-State has improved quite a bit, for what it's worth.  Still a game I thought DC would (and should) win.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 16, 2007, 11:05:46 am
SaintsFan, who gets their first win first: Romeo Crennel or Charlie Weis?

MSJ seemed to play a decent game. They won the TO battle and had a solid day Pounding The Rock. The only concern was their 3rd downs. I believe they only converted 33%. Running the spread can be disasterous to your defense if you can't do better on third down.

I saw the MSJ program that they send to high schools yesterday and it looked like every other MSJ program I have ever seen. After having the recent success they have had, I would think they would spice it up a little bit. Everything is in black and white. Add color and more details. One of the guys at Purcell couldn't believe that A) the program was so small and B) nothing was in color and it wasn't nicer. It's just my opinion that if a HS kid looks at a nice, well-organized, colorful recruitment guide, he will be more out to consider that school. Especially because every other D 3 football team's guide that I have seen looks the same as MSJ's. It may not mean an extra 10-20 recruits, but if you can steal a couple solid football players from TMC or UC (walk-ons), it's worth the extra cost.

Kentucky or Utah comments by anyone????
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 16, 2007, 01:25:28 pm
I agree that Tri-State is a much improved team over the past couple of years, but as mentioned, DC should have won that game.  They are continue to give games away that they should win.  As an alum I'm bias on what my team should do, but this is just becoming annoying not being able to play to their potential. 
I'm just letting out steam at this point & I'll be on board supporting them while conference action begins hopping they can run through the conference games. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2007, 04:25:54 pm
Romeo obviously .....I can't believe the Bengals today...and ND yesterday.  Its been a bad weekend for me. 

To recap:  TMC lost, ND was horrible again and Bengals are in trouble in CLEVELAND of all places.

And last night there was a bit of an altercation at the bar.  I can't go into specifics publicly because of possible on going legal ramifications but at the end of it I got hit over the head with a beer bottle...3 staples in my dome.   No I didn't start it...some guy was about to hit my friend and I don't like seeing that.  I'm not usually one of those tough guys at the bar but things happen...

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 16, 2007, 05:32:10 pm
I am one of those redneck guys. Got my number right?

I am embarrased to be a bengals fan.

www.firechuckbresnahan.com

And word from Angelo Colosimo (Bengals team Doctor) is that Marvin can't wait to get out of Cincinnati. Can you blame him after this game?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 16, 2007, 06:45:56 pm
SaintsFAN, sorry to hear about your busted noggin. What happened with Wheaton's QB? I didn't see anything on their website. Was he injured.

Any of you DC guys know why Foos was pulled out of the game for missing a PAT? To date he's been right on the money. He came out of the game and the guy they replaced him with can't kick or punt worth a hoot.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2007, 07:46:46 pm
JacketsFan,

I'm not sure whats going on with the QB from Wheaton...I just know from what one poster has said is a serious situation in as far as he hasn't been able to leave St. Louis and his parents have been arranged to stay somewhere there while he is treated. 

adam,

have your number?  I don't follow you...

embarrassment is not even the word for today's debacle in the Mistake by the Lake.  I can't believe the defense didn't show up and Marvin refused to talk about the defense today after the game. 


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 16, 2007, 10:18:24 pm
I meant I got your back, just give me a call.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 16, 2007, 10:53:11 pm
haha....gotcha.  Well lets just say this...  a friend of mine found a way to take a picture of the guy last night.

 ::)

By the way, I lost my phone recently and don't have your number in the new one.  PM with it. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 19, 2007, 08:38:50 am




Hooters            Hooters            Hooters
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on September 19, 2007, 01:18:02 pm
see you there
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 19, 2007, 11:34:22 pm
I heard a comment today at the bar about ND and their situation. I don't have time tonight to write about it, but it is very interesting and the facts that this individual stated were really interesting and made Charlie Weis look like a flash in the pan. It wasn't stuff he was making up (as a football player and student of the sport you can usually tell when someone's blowing smoke up your arse). It presented the whole thing in a new light.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 20, 2007, 08:00:15 am
if thats true, he's an expensive flash in the pan. 

read the article on msn.foxsports.com

at this point, I'm pretty pissed that they can't score a TD.  To me...he's Marvin Lewis....where as Marvin's big things that led him to getting the Bengals job was an emphasis on discipline and defense....where's that?  Charlie Weis' was offense?  Where's that?

I could be jumping the gun because they are young...but we'll see. 

He is a good recruiter though...but you have to use that talent.  For instance the offensive line....they look like turds right now....but ALL are either 4 star or 5 star recruits when they came out of HS. 

I know half of what that guy had to say was about the Patriots videotaping..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on September 20, 2007, 09:54:58 am
One is not a good recruiter unless and until his recruits play well in games.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 20, 2007, 07:04:09 pm
What he mentiond was about in college you are a lot more responsible for overseeing the development of the whole team rather than an OC in the NFL and could he actually do that. In college you have 18 year old kids comming in, most of whom are athletic as hell but maybe don't understand football. You need to develop them into players. In the NFL, you get players who are already studs and not as much development is needed. Can Charlie acually oversee the development of kids into college athletes? Remember, Charlie never played college football and I believe, this job has been his only college job. The rest of his time has been spent in the NFL. He doesn't have the experience of the college game, just experience worthing with guys who are already great football players.

You all blame Ty for this year, but I think this is just as much Charlie's fault. He didn't get any of these kids PT the last 2 years. Not all of them are freshman. He has juniors, Seniors, and Sophomores who have been in his system now for 3 years and to be in a situation like this isn't acceptable. Those kids need to get some PT either in the kicking game or in blowouts.

The seat isn't hot right now, but let me give you a scenario. If they go into the Navy game 1-7 or 0-8 and lose, then will the seat be hot? Remember, names like Faust, Willingham, and Davie have never lost to the midshipmen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 20, 2007, 07:05:18 pm
i like frank the tank's take on weiss. your players have to play for you once they are there! however, this is the conundrum (sp?), this is the year when ty didn't bring a soul to south bend that could hack it. granted, his players did good for charlie, but now ty has been exposed as he took some time off the recruiting trail. i think charlie's first 2 years would go as they did, it's easy to get guys to buy in right away and get results. they were decently talented and played above expectations. now, they are not decently talented and are playing well below what they are even able to achieve. their OL is a bunch of fat babies who have no pride, in mo after watching them.

did anybody notice that large charlie held a brutal sunday practice after their tail whipping last week? he is sending a message that "this is Notre Dame football and we do not lose!! that gold helmet means more to college football here in south bend than anybody else, and we are going to play accordingly."

i was coached by a fellow who played at ND back in the olden times, B.L. (before lou) i hated him with a passion, but i understood him after he told some old ND stories. after losses, they had long brutal practices in the stadium with the lights on, and no fans or media were allowed near it. all they heard was "blue and gold this, blue and gold that, ND tradition, if you don't want to be apart of it then go home", and stuff like that in clean language. then they would run stadium steps until people couldn't carry their teammates up the steps.

when they won, they ran victory laps, yes victory laps for beating the team. the mentality being that if you run like this after a win, you know you are working harder than the team you are playing this week and you'll wear them out. pride, tradition, blue and gold, gold helmet, you are automatically tougher than the team you are playing because you play at ND and that's the bottom line. he said he was told by a coach there after he broke his nose on a kickoff that he isn't going anywhere. "that s.o.b. broke a ND nose and you better break his ribs for disrespecting you like that!" extreme i know, but when you believe it and you go out there trying to crush a guys rib cage in half, then it works. my last anecdote was of the middle backer they had, he weighed 190 lbs. the coaches there convinced this guy that he simply was the toughest LB in the nation because of where he was playing and all that. well, it came down to a play against some team i don't know, and this guy blew up the FB on the way through the line before he ran over the QB before coming to, and killing/putting the TB out of the game. the coach on the sidelines was jumping up and down and asked him how he did that? his response was "you told me to get to the TB on the sweep no matter what was in my way..."

that's what ND is missing, not talent or play calls, but testicles.

NOTRE DAME lacks that old blood and guts mentality they are famous for.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 20, 2007, 07:06:11 pm
charlie coached high school for a few years, that is developing players.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 20, 2007, 07:14:12 pm
I would say at least Duke is on the schedule but even they have a win (though the first in multiple years).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on September 21, 2007, 07:55:18 am
Where does the Mt play @ this week?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on September 21, 2007, 09:45:37 am
its a bye week
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 22, 2007, 08:41:42 am
so where is DC coaches filming at this weekend?  i heard the coaches did a couple clinics in new england in the offseason on game film management.

here is to the Bucks not letting up to Northwestern as they have a tendency to do. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 22, 2007, 03:52:34 pm
Thomas More 8
Thiel College 6

F


Thomas More blocked a punt for a safety for the winning margin.  Thiel drove late, scored and dropped the 2 pt conversion pass.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 22, 2007, 03:53:48 pm
good start for ND....fumble recovery....dare I say Touchdown here?  we'll see...  Clausen incomplete on 1st down.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 22, 2007, 03:54:40 pm
TOUCHDOWN NOTRE DAME!!!!

(offensive)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on September 22, 2007, 04:09:34 pm
Last I heard FC was up 38-0 at end of third quarter!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 22, 2007, 10:30:32 pm
seems to me that the FC team took the week off to prepare to get back on track to hit the playoffs running. good work grizzlies.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 22, 2007, 11:03:43 pm
agreed....though if Tri-State had beaten Franklin.... :o


OK, so I'm taking Liddell tonight...who wants the "Dean of Mean"??


out like ND
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 23, 2007, 02:33:58 pm
INTERESTING PLEASE READ

I'm in Columbus for the Ol Lady's birthday and a bunch of my friends are up here for the game and we all went out last night. One of the guys who went out with us goes to school at Capital and played a sport (not going to give the sport or his name). We had an interesting conversation about Steroids. We talked about me playing at MSJ and he asked me if anyone on MSJ's team had used Steroids while I was there. I had explained that there was one guy who we all thought did but no one knew for sure. We had no proof at all (none that I knew of it was just an assumption) and he was the only person who had steroids mentioned in the same sentence as his name. I figured everyone was clean when I was there. Small school, word travels fast and Steroids wasn't a topic.

He told me he has multiple friends on the football team at Capital (remember he played a sport at Capital) and said he KNEW of at least 4 football players who were using steroids when he was playing at Capital and figured it was more. He was under the assumption this was a normal thing at a DIII school where it's low profile and figured we had guys doing it as well. He had said that he was told by these players and/or other players in Capital's system that there are a significant number of players in the OAC who take steroids.

Again, he brought this up to me and thought is was the norm in DIII football. What do y'all think about THIS???????? I believe he is still a student at Capital (if not he just graduated) and all this involves the football team the last 4 years or so.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2007, 02:39:31 pm
Playoff teams get drug tested by the NCAA. The penalty for testing positive for a banned substance is the loss of a full year of eligibility.

Capital played enough postseason games in the past two years to pretty much ensure everyone had to give a sample.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on September 23, 2007, 02:56:06 pm
I'm sure that more than one person at MSJ was using roids & any other DIII school even if they made the playoffs or not.  You would have to be clueless to think that there are programs out there that are completely clean.  There are many ways to past a drug test for roids & other drugs.  This is a problem at all levels of professional, college, & high school. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 23, 2007, 03:29:51 pm
i wish i could quote the head coach from the program
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2007, 03:33:24 pm
I'm sure that more than one person at MSJ was using roids & any other DIII school even if they made the playoffs or not.  You would have to be clueless to think that there are programs out there that are completely clean.  There are many ways to past a drug test for roids & other drugs.  This is a problem at all levels of professional, college, & high school. 

No doubt. I'm not sure, though, that division III players have easy access to ways to cheat drug tests.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 23, 2007, 07:35:57 pm
Not a single person was drug tested when we qualified in 2004 and isn't it random testing anyway? It's very possible and this is a trustable source from Capital, in a prominent Capital athletic program.

Again, in 4 years at MSJ, there was only 1 person who was believed to be taking steroids and honestly, at MSJ, I believe no one used. Even the guy who was rumored never gave us proof. It was just something we assumed. We were always the smallest O-line in the HCAC (I was typically the biggest linemen at 280/285) and at the TMC/Wilmington/MSJ lifting competition, we never had anyone lifting freakish amounts of weight. We had big, chiseled guys, but no one who looked like roid takers.

My dad was a former body builder. I've met friends of his young and old on roids and have seen pictures of guys when they were on them competing. No one at MSJ looked like these people and we never had any circumstances (to quote the Program) where a guy gain 35 pounds of muscle and an attitude to go with it. Does it happen at DIII schools, I imagine so and probably fairly often, but it didn't happen at MSJ from 2001-2004. Not to my knowledge.

To be quite honest to kind of give a response to DC Has Been's statement. My dad asked me the summer before my senior year if I wanted to start taking. Not going to lie, I was intrigued and we went over everthing from alternating hips to oil and water base to creams. I didn't do it because of fear that we had a great team and had a shot at the playoffs. I didn't want to be THAT guy. Had I known that no one would have been tested that year, even when we went to the playoffs, I would have taken them.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 23, 2007, 07:36:47 pm
And the Bengals are officially a Joke. Worst team in the NFL. I'm ready for Marvin to take action on his words and get the heck out of town.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 24, 2007, 09:42:50 am
though I don't know about worst in the NFL, they definitely pissed down their legs yesterday...

I thought this year would be rough...but this rough?  Bengals SHOULD be 3-0 at this point..

oh yeah...back in my day (before steriods were invented).... they served steriods out of the vending machines in the lunchroom.  It was nice...

JK, I only saw one guy who had the signs of it, he graduated early and wasn't ever a factor....kept getting shuffled from d to offensive line.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 24, 2007, 01:27:30 pm
there were always a couple you kind of knew like Sayer said, but they never seemed to work too much and was always some scrub looking for an easy way.  problem is they were a scrub because they did not work hard...droping $300 bucks on a heart attack in a bottle it still did not change the fact you had to go balls to the wall in workouts to make the investment worthwhile. 

i only know of 1 more defenite and he got it a week before camp so we were not even in the gym when he tried it...didnt help we lost the first 6 games and he was still a puss :)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 24, 2007, 01:29:01 pm
Bengals take the cake as the most frustrating team in the world...at least Ohio State can put a team away
Title: Blast From the Past
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 24, 2007, 03:51:03 pm
OK, so there's some girl that I hung out with (but not really dated) while I was a sophomore and junior at Thomas More (yes THAT long ago).  We parted on bad terms as I got tired of BS and some of other stuff....total hotness though. 

Well today she has her sister email me somehow, someway and saying that she would really want to reknew acquaintances...and didn't email me herself because she wants to have me softened up (she knows me well)..

  I'm putting it up to the group...I can take it or leave it...(as Adam knows)

What do you think?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on September 24, 2007, 04:01:24 pm
I say leave it, she might have some kind of revenge planed.  Adam knows you can take it or leave it?  That's too much info!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 24, 2007, 04:18:14 pm
hahaha.....

+Karma, tepee...

Meaning he knows what I work around here...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 24, 2007, 04:38:25 pm
You guys are too much.

At the office, there are lots of nice looking scenic sights, so I wouldn't worry too much about this chick. However, if you lay the ground rules and tell her like it is, I don't see a problem with it. Hell, we all grow up. Some later than sooner :) Maybe she's been on the celebacy wagon and needs some help off. I wouldn't think revenge would be a factor since SaintsFan was a Soph 10 years ago now.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2007, 04:58:04 pm
Some salient questions:

1) Are you single?
2) Got recent pics? I've been to too many reunions to rely on 1990's hotness. :)

A decade can change a lot of things. But that goes both ways -- could be an improvement on the attitude.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 25, 2007, 07:43:17 am
Pat,

I was actually going to include in my message for you to help out as well.  Those are good questions.

1.  I am very single, though my ex keeps coming back (broke up in January because I attended the Welcome Party for Coach Hilvert at Thomas More instead of going to a family gathering with her).  I also hang with occasionally another friend...though she's quite young.  Even younger than Sayer.
2. I requested some recent pics....good call there. 

Hopefully the decade has changed alot on her end....there's a little more to it than changing attitude....I found out she was engaged 10 years ago and thats why I rid myself of her.


As Adam said, at my office there is alot of nice scenery...I don't think I'm going to sweat this too much, given her history.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 25, 2007, 04:32:18 pm
bang as many young girls as you can, then bang some more. one day you'll be the old weird guy, so do it up while you can.

go freebird!!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 26, 2007, 11:32:48 am
Where the hell is everyone?  We have two very good teams in this conference and NOBODY is saying much? 

Are guys really pissed about losing Hilvert?


Homecoming at Thomas More this weekend...well at Dixie Heights.  Adam, are you in? 

Lets get some ex-Lions to come see what Hilvert has done with the Saints program..

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 26, 2007, 12:28:42 pm
Sure, why not. I'll see if Josh wants to come if he's not working. I'll finally have some money so are we meeting at The Pub? or where? Who does TMC have?

I just started a new job where I actually have to work and plan lessons and teach so I have been and will be busy for a couple weeks until I get settled.


Have another question or statement that I would like your oppinions on. I was talking to a kid who plays HS football. They have a great team with 7+ kids who could play DII/DIII ball and 1 or 2 who could play I-AA. I aksed him how many were considering playing in college and he said NONE. He said that they hate football because of the HS coach and the way he treats them and some of the things he says. Not one player on this team wants to play college...and they are good enough.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 26, 2007, 01:50:11 pm
The Pub, I think, would work....let me run that by my buddy.  My ex also might be coming...haha

They have Waynesburg (3-0) on Saturday....  Waynesburg is tough this year, it seems...


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on September 26, 2007, 04:28:49 pm
SaintsFan i am assuming since you are even considering and asking the question then she was good in the sack...so why again are you asking the question.  as long as she knows you aint trying to make love and are just in it for the dirty dirty then i thingk Victory Bell said it best GO Freebird
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on September 26, 2007, 05:09:29 pm
This board certainly has some great conversation!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 26, 2007, 09:32:06 pm
I can't get too nuts. Purcell takes on Badin Saturday night. Should be a good game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 26, 2007, 11:24:44 pm
are you kidding me??  As a Badin grad, I KNOW they are going to kick Purcell's arse up and down the field...

Seriously, Badin's QB and WR (#1-Jackson) are very good.  The Purcell games were always hard hitting when I was in school. 

UPDATE: 

Pat, I did get to see a couple of recent pictures.  Very nice, lets just say that any additions/changes only enhance what I remember. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2007, 12:02:53 am
That's in a bad way, right? I forget.

Bummer.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 27, 2007, 07:21:13 am
I scouted them against Alter (again, this was Alter) but the score was 42-0 at halftime. They replaced the QB in the first half because he couldn't complete anything past 10 yards. I think the kid they replaced him with was a freshman. Badin has good size and has some kids who can run, but they looked 'real' bad against Alter and it wasn't all because Alter's so good.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 27, 2007, 08:55:37 am
Pat,

Thats speaking physically....its a good thing.  The additions if you know what I mean.  BUT, I haven't found out where she is mentally.  I haven't taken the call yet.  Don't know if I will, really. 

Sayer,

Thats pretty bad...when was that game played?  I know the QB was in the top 5 in passing about two weeks ago.  Alter has DOMINATED the GCL North for the past 5 years or so....nothing suprises me anymore about them.  I remember back in 1991 in our first EVER GCL league game....was AT Centerville playing Alter.  Being a freshman, I thought I was big time after taking that in..  Luckily the only GCL North team I lost to was Roger Bacon (one time) and Chaminade (one time) BOTH my sophomore years.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 27, 2007, 06:40:52 pm
This just in, Notre Dame QB, Demetrius Jones is transferring to UC. Made the decision after he wasn't started for the Penn State game.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 27, 2007, 10:15:00 pm
This was last weekend. I was impressed by Alter in the sense that they play hard and play smart. They don't necessarily have athletes, they have football players. Hope that makes some kind of sense. Badin didn't play smart. They looked like youth kids trying to tackle, the QB missed open targets and the specialities were a joke.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 28, 2007, 01:52:20 pm
Sayer,

We on for tomorrow?

Yes I know what you mean...Alter doesn't have anyone that stands out.  Back in the day I played against a RB (Mike Rose) who played LB at Purdue, Jerry Rudzinski at QB/LB who played LB at Ohio State, and Jay Tant TE who played at Northwestern.  I don't think they'll have talent like that again at Alter.

That Badin Coach has come under fire for the way he's doing things...if he continues to have teams not prepared to tackle and play special teams....his reign will be over soon.  Not to mention animosity towards him because he interviewed for the Mason job this past off season.  Many thought the Rams should have kept the search for a coach within the "Badin Family" when Coach Malone retired. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 28, 2007, 05:09:53 pm
What time would you like to meet at The Pub? If you'd like to go somewhere else, that would be fine, just let me know and I'll be there.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 28, 2007, 05:13:30 pm
I'll call you...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 29, 2007, 12:48:14 am
Since Purcell plays tomorrow, I went to the DP game. They lost to Wyoming 35-21. DP Went up 14-0 and then turned the ball over 5 straight times leading to 35 unanswered points. They had chances to rally but questionable play calling and clock management cost them big time from the 8:30 mark on. DP's head coach Barry Pettyjohn has been places in his career where I have not and will not ever go (i.e. NFL and NFL Europe) but you would never know it by his play selection and the way he calls his offense and makes adjustments. Example, Wyoming had a 6'6 WR and DP has a 6'4 kid who has experience playing DB. It  took Barry until the WR caught 4 big passes (2 TD's) before he lined up the kid who is 6'4 on him. He kept his 5'10 corners on him. Deer Park will be in for a rude awakening when Indian Hill starts throwing the ball all over the place. Pains me to say as much as I hate IH.

Hopefully my and JPC's Cavaliers will show up and play like they are capable tomorrow evening. They have a senior RT who has never played football before who I've took under my wing. He's getting better and the best part is he listens. You tell him to do something, he does it, even though most of the time he looks really goofy doing it. Nonetheless he listens and has gotten better every week. Hard worker too. I love those kind of kids. Purcell should start returning to form here in the next 2 years. They have solid talent in their Soph and Frosh classes.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 29, 2007, 03:03:03 pm
Yo, any of you DC guys catching the DC/Manchester game? If DC keeps letting Manchester get in the red zone, pretty soon Manchester is going to get lucky and punch one in? DC ought to be up at least 21-Zip so far. They're letting manchester hang around and not getting the ball to Dillon enough. And V-man is still tossing the pill to the bad guys.

Beautiful down here in Florida. How's it up there today? God, I miss coming up to games.

Hometown football team now 5-0 as of last night. Last time they were 4-0, Tricky Dick was president. They came back on a drive last night with two minutes to play and won the game 23-21 against the number two ranked team in the conference. Still, I'd rather be at DC watching that game, even if it's not going so well. I think my plans to get up for a game have fallen through. Bunch of the guys off last year's team were down here last week hanging out with Richard. My grocery tab for four days (including all the oysters and other snacks) came to four hundred bucks.

I'd do it again tomorrow.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 29, 2007, 05:37:56 pm
back from the game...homecoming at Thomas More, well Dixie Heights.

1.  Sayer doesn't look too bad in his Purcell "get up"...even JP said so.

2.  Warm beer for the alums?  WTF? 

3.  Thomas More plays hard for Coach Hilvert BUT, they are very, very young and the injury bug has depleted the Saints.  I know they won't make any excuses but its clearly affected the Saints.  Our freshman QB's will learn what to throw and what not to throw eventually.  I like the direction the team is headed in and wait until this staff gets a full year to recruit.  Though they play hard, the Saints need to play with a little more piss and vinegar. 

4.  If you told me that we'd have the injuries we have AND that we'd still be a competitive 2-2, I'd say I would take it.  But sounds like the PAC officials have tried to keep the Saints down.  Thats all I'll say about that one. 

5. Waynesburg has a tough RB, but take away a 67 yard run...and the Saints contained him.  Yeah I know...if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.... 

6.  I still think TMC will be tough down the stretch this year against W&J and MSJ.  We need to keep the Bridge Bowl.


Stories were told about tepee and angrywhiteman....where the hell are you guys?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 29, 2007, 05:48:22 pm
also, I took the advice of this page and let that girl from my past call me.  Sayer was there as she called before the game today.  I'll keep it updated with what I can here, I think. 

I should be seeing her next weekend..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on September 29, 2007, 09:03:53 pm
chicks make mistakes, they get confused, let her call you and be lighthearted. you may find she will do anything to seal the deal with you.

of course, if she is a whack job whore case, change your number and never talk to her again. it's about the law of the jungle.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on September 29, 2007, 10:12:35 pm
Florida's getting spanked by Auburn. 14-3 with ten minutes left in the third. Auburn has Tebow's number today and they keep dialing it.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 30, 2007, 02:37:12 am
I'm willing to say Colorado beating Oklahoma is the biggest upset in college football in 2007. Teams ranked 3, 4, 5, and 7 lost this week. OSU moving on up which scares me. If the do play in a big time bowl againt a big time team. It'll be Florida all over again. Cal looks legit even though the Ducks beat themselves with that late fumble.

SaintsFan looks alright considering he looks more like a guard than a QB. And the TMC alumni treated me great feeding me chicken wings and corndogs...as well as the warm beer. All for a highly respected MSJ grad :)

Purcell took it on the chin tonight 23-12. It was 17-12 at half and Badin tried every way they could to give the game to Purcell but Purcell refused to take it. I mean Badin was begging Purcell to beat them. Sometimes the bear gets you.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on September 30, 2007, 08:51:09 am
Saints Fan,

I knew hilverts guys would play hard for him it's only a matter of time before his team is a bunch of a**kickers.

Did any of the stories about me involve a certian offesive line coach that coached at both TMC and MSJ?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 30, 2007, 01:56:07 pm
whoa, whoa, whoa....


well the comments definitely have had an effect on me.  I ran 2 miles this morning and I'm going to do the same at our workout facility at work.....6am with a guy I work with. 

I don't think I look like a guard....BUT I think people are used to seeing me with a six pack and stuff.  I'll start lifting again after my surgery. 

tepee,

we did tell some stories there.  One that I remember is you asking if a kids first name was damnit.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 30, 2007, 01:57:19 pm
oh and Sayer.... I kind of told you when you go to Hamilton to "mess with the bull", you get the horns..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on September 30, 2007, 05:40:42 pm
Hey Sayer and SaintsFAN:

Don't forget about South Florida.  While they won't be a powerhouse (at least for awhile), it is hard to believe they were DIII just 10-11 years ago when the program was started and before progressing then to DII, DI-AA before the current "big-time".
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on September 30, 2007, 07:15:48 pm
Did not know that. Amazing stuff. After the last 2 years and the recent downfall of FSU and Miami, recruitng should be going very well for the Bulls.

I aint kiddin about Badin trying to lose. Purcell should have won. In the fourth quarter alone, Badin had 2 TO's, a roughing the passer call that continued a drive and a pass interference that continued a drive (both on 3rd down). Purcell just couldn't capitalize when Badin tried to give it away. We go to Kettering next Friday to take on the reigning state runner ups.

You look away from me again son and you will be doing bear craws up and down this floor.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 30, 2007, 09:46:59 pm
i saw the gamestory on Journal-news.com  I can't believe Badin's uniforms now.  Back in the day, we were just plain white helmets, green jerseys and white pants. 

also, Purcell's QB is young and threw 5 ints??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 01, 2007, 08:16:14 am


You look away from me again son and you will be doing bear craws up and down this floor.



until you die!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 01, 2007, 12:43:14 pm
The Qb is a junior but this is his first year playing the position. He is capable of making tough throws but doesn't do it consistently to really be effective and I don't know the INT's. I know everytime Badin screwed up, Purcell turned the ball over some way or another to give it back.

I did like the uniforms. The black and green was a nice combo.

I hope the bengal win tonight 45-42. I need "Shady" Brady and Moss to hook up for about 3 TD's. I have them both on my fantasy team and I'm down 15. The guy I'm playing has Maroney so this will be close.

Raincoats on three.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 01, 2007, 01:28:22 pm
I'm taking the 'over' tonight....I don't think the Bengals will be able to stop Brady. 

I'm not going to the game...hopefully it doesn't come back to bite me.  I spent yesterday with my ex from work here and had a good time.  After starting at Arthur's in Hyde Park ($5 pitchers on Sunday), we ended up at the Wooster Tavern in Mariemont/Fairfax last night and some debauchery ensued.  I guess I'm watching it with her tonight. 

As far as the uni's....I'm a traditionalist....I guess if Wuerth has been winning alot of games like my coach did (all-time winningest coach in Ohio history) then I'd be fine with the changes.  But the guy has changed ALOT there to no avail. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 01, 2007, 03:49:45 pm
badin got new uniforms?  The old man must be turning in his grave.  When we played badin they had all white helmets with white pants and an old undershirt with their number written in black marker.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 01, 2007, 09:18:04 pm
tepee,

EXACTLY


Sincerely yours,

Tradition
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 01, 2007, 11:12:46 pm
How bad are the Bengals? No O-line, No defense. I thought the Rams had it bad with injuries.

And is it just me, or is Carson really off? He's thrown an alarming number of passes high and not on target. Preseason till now, he hasn't looked real good.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 01, 2007, 11:34:25 pm
I hear the Bengals are taking a page from Dick Vermeil when he coached the Eagles...open try-outs for anyone who can play linebacker.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on October 02, 2007, 08:45:51 am
Homecoming @ the Mount this weekend!  Whos in?

And guess who is Getting married?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 02, 2007, 10:35:32 am
not sure how clean of a game it was but in the end DC did what they were supposed to do and beat up on a worse team.  per the stats it looks like both the running and passing game did well which is good to see the running game pick up.

would have liked to see the yards a little lower given up by the D but they kept them out of the end zone.

Cincy is the most frustrating team ever.  i thought the o-line was soft last night especially in the first half.  both Brady and Palmer are pocket passers but the reason Brady's accuracy is so high is he has somewhere to step up to throw it.  it seemed like the pocket was colapsing on plamer fairly fast last night, not causing him to get hit just akward throws.

i know having 2 practice squad guys and a 2nd string rookie saftey playing LB causes some issues for the D, but was that Sammie Morris last night or a hybrid clone of Walter Payton and Earl Cambell?  the D-line needs to play above thier ability to make up for the missing LB's and the DB's must get Physical.  Madieu has lost his spark and has not been the same since he hurt his Sholder.  Yards after contact was extremly lopsided last night.  it seems we dropped immeditely when a tackle was made and every time we tried to takle one of their guys they would fall forward 3-4 yds.  Bottom line no one is being Physical on either side of the ball.

not sure if it is Palmer or Johnson but it seems like they are way off.  every game there seems to be 3-4 balls that gets dropped by Chad, all difficult catches.  I wonder though if he makes it more difficult.  he likes to Jump when he does not need to and never seems to sit in the hole.  i continue to think if he does not try to make an acrobatic catch he makes the catch. look at the film, why does he jump when the ball is a little behind him and goes through his hands waist high?  if he just does not jump and sits in the hole it hits him in the chest...but it does not make sportcenter.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on October 02, 2007, 12:42:46 pm
I was at the game last night, and wasn't paying much attention to the side lines.  The paper said that Chad & Palmer got into it on the sidelines.  Did anyone see it on TV, and if so was it as bad as they Headlines said it was?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on October 02, 2007, 12:43:48 pm
back to subben, isn't it great  ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 02, 2007, 01:31:54 pm
They had a heated conversation but it wasn't nothing special. The Bengals were in the game until the 4th quarter and I think their thinness on defense started to show. You can't tell me those back-ups have the same stamina as the starters. Our O-line is almost as thin as the linebacking corp. Willi is getting old and I've seen DIII linemen with better technique than Whitworth. When you're using your 5th OT as a starter and a Center who spent last season on the practice squad. The QB is going to be a little antsy in his pantsy.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 02, 2007, 05:03:13 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen, M & L has officially been casterated. His future wife now holds his cocknballs (and every little detail of his life) in the palm of her hand. Sad to say that sooner or later I will join the ranks as well....but not on this day. :)

When's the engagement party and I will be REALLY upset if I don't get an invite to the wedding...like cough cough Tepee  :'( I still don't think I've recovered emotionally.

Am I the only one here who hasn't been married who posts here?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 02, 2007, 05:19:55 pm
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Am I the only one here who hasn't been married who posts here?

Someone always has to make up the "hands team."  ::) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 02, 2007, 10:49:59 pm
in regards to the "heated" between Johnson and Plamer it was not like Randy Moss throwing a water bottle on the ref but they were going at it pretty good.  at 1 point the TV cut away pretty fast with Palmer Screaming and punching his fists against his thigh pads.  by the time the TV got back it was just CJ yelling with a bunch of different folks standing around looking like they were ready to break them up.  CJ continued to the end of the half and into the locker room.  Only thing that really stood out was seeing Palmer loose his cool.  it is nothign to see CJ do that but did have to do a 2nd take when you see Palmer going off.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 03, 2007, 08:12:51 am
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Am I the only one here who hasn't been married who posts here?

Someone always has to make up the "hands team."  ::) ;D ;D ;D

haha...nice.

Do you mean happily married or "gave it the college try"??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Genius Gone Bad on October 03, 2007, 09:57:32 am
IS HCAC really that boring or is there a lot of Bengals fans here?

How about the DC vs RHIT game.
DC has been a one man show all year the offense has just in my thought been horrible lots of mistakes up front and no killer instinct.  I've been suprised by the Defense playing really well. Dc has been a very un-disciplined team and it's gonna take awhile to fix with the youth upfront.  This game is huge for DC to try and stay in the race for the playoffs, but I'm picking the Upset

RHIT 17 DC 13

MSJ vs Franklin (I could be a week early with this game but it's gonna be huge)
I think the winner of this game wins the HCAC.  Mount has been impressive to say the least changing both Coordinators losing a starting QB (not sure if that was a bad thing).  Franklin is on the verge in this confrence lets see what happens with this one.
MSJ 30 Franklin 24
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: M and L on October 03, 2007, 10:03:10 am
Hoss is already planning that, It is going to be his little project.

GGB: I like your outlook on the MSJ Franklin game, but we have to take care of Hanover first!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Genius Gone Bad on October 03, 2007, 10:09:41 am
I knew that game was coming wasn't sure if it was this week or next. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 03, 2007, 01:12:47 pm
Party on the hill this Saturday at 1:30 anyone??? I know Tepee's always up for a beat down. I should be careful. That may be mistaken for I'm gonna take your knee out on purpose :)

SaintsFan...I like that. You gave it the Ol College Try. No one can doubt your effort  ;D

And YES, the HCAC is currently boring. There are only 2 'nationally' respectable teams and they don't play for another week. Plus we haven't had any posters (actual player) from an HCAC school in quite a while. Or at least one with any sense. Argue good or bad on player representation, it's better when you have in-depth coverage.

I swear Denny Kimmel is on his 5th or 6th year of eligibility by now. That or Anderson keeps changing the name of their starting HB to Denny Kimmel.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 03, 2007, 02:01:42 pm
you know they'll have run out of names when they announce in 2009 that "Jimmy Kimmell" is playing Tailback for them. 


where do you guys think Anderson would be if their coach had stuck around?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 03, 2007, 03:22:22 pm
Sayer,

not sure if i am going to make it, i will let you know....  Don't threaten to hurt any hanover players on here......their coach reads this.

Jimbo, congrats!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 03, 2007, 04:10:15 pm
ggb- how is DC an undisciplined team?

on regard to the dc-rhit game, i'm sure it will be a good one, but if DC establishes their run game like last week they'll have the They will also have to get some presure on RHIT's qb as well.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 03, 2007, 04:38:02 pm
Has Been you up for a road trip this weekend?  have a room at the Mandalay Bay on Sat.  We can watch the OSU vs Purdue game from the sports book and then get stupid...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 03, 2007, 11:33:02 pm
dc_has_been:
You must not have seen the Tri-State game if you are looking for evidence of lack of discipline.  They had a 10 point lead with less than 6 minutes to play.  They let TSU walk down the field once with the help of a pass interference, a facemask, and a personal foul.  They couldn't handle the onside kick. Then, they let TSU march right down the field again.

DC looked much better on Saturday.  Though, I can remember a couple times thinking that Franklin and Mount would exploit certain mistakes...but I can't remember what those mistakes were at the moment.

Genius Gone Bad:
Given the distance that RHIT has to travel, I don't think an upset is coming this Saturday.  In front of a large Homecoming crowd, I'm predicting a two touchdown victory for the Yellow Jackets.  In other HCAC action, no upsets will occur.  The home teams (Mount, Franklin, and Manchester) will take care of business against the weaker opponents (Hanover, Anderson, and Bluffton respectively).

I'm afraid you were probably right about the Franklin/Mount game essentially being the conference championship.  Though, if DC can make it to the end of the month without beating themselves, they will have the opportunity to upset Mount and/or Franklin on the road.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 70_dc_alum on October 04, 2007, 08:46:37 am
Altor good assessment.  you have to forgive Has_been he is skewed hanging with the other metorsexuals in the O.C.  every once in a while he remembers what it is like to have his sack drop and he talks tough but it comes out wrong becuase his new wife owns his marbles (its OK she's hot and a DR) so all he is dropping is hot air!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Genius Gone Bad on October 04, 2007, 09:04:44 am
ggb- how is DC an undisciplined team?


I consider a team undisciplined that commits a lot of penalties.  Here's the season breakdown for DC:

Week 1 vs AC 6 for 76 yards
Week 2 vs. OTT 13 - 104 (weather had to play a factor)
Week 3 vs TSU 11 - 103
Week 5 vs MAN 6 -47

DC averages 9 penalties for 82 yards

thats a horrible average.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 04, 2007, 10:47:39 am
Altor good assessment.  you have to forgive Has_been he is skewed hanging with the other metorsexuals in the O.C.  every once in a while he remembers what it is like to have his sack drop and he talks tough but it comes out wrong becuase his new wife owns his marbles (its OK she's hot and a DR) so all he is dropping is hot air!!

and you are hoping to talk him into driving 5 hours into the desert to meet you??   I'd like to hear your sales pitch on the job..haha
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 04, 2007, 05:53:59 pm
how does weather play a factor in penalties? maybe i missed something in football 101 the last few years???
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Genius Gone Bad on October 04, 2007, 07:01:58 pm
how does weather play a factor in penalties? maybe i missed something in football 101 the last few years???

Well for the line when you slip in the mud there is usually a tendency to grab the person you are blocking resulting in a holding penalty.

Explained football 101 style
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 04, 2007, 09:06:08 pm
no, i still don't get it....maybe the fat a$$e$ can use shorter steps and move their feet. i have never heard that a slippery field results in more holding penalties. that may be the most absurd excuse i have ever heard for getting more penalties than the other team. if that was the case, the other team would have as many or more holding penalties for "slipping" in the mud.

or, as usual, i could be taking crazy pills again.

go franklin, kill some mo'fo's who don't know bout the sheezy in the heezy fo shizzy my name be mtizzy.

word.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 04, 2007, 10:31:01 pm
Nobody said it was an excuse for DC to have more penalties than the other team.  It was a plausible reason why a team might have 13 penalties in a game that was delayed for three hours because of rain and lightning.

Incidentally, Otterbein had 10 penalties for 107 yards that night too.  In the next three games, OTT averaged 7 penalties for 56 yards.  So, perhaps the weather was a factor.  Maybe the officials wanted to get their new hankies good and dirty.  Maybe both teams were just plain tired because the game didn't start until nearly 10PM and wasn't over until after 1AM.  I wasn't there so I don't know.

(Also note that none of these are excuses.  In the end, the players were the ones that committed the penalties.)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 05, 2007, 01:44:57 am
Glad to see some more chatter on the board. 
70dcalum- I'm working on Sat., giving the SAT's to high school students.  I always love to remind them that these test are only their future. :D  Plus, I'm in the Valley about a hour north of the O.C. you bloody bastard ;D! Also, stop talking about my sack & marbles, I'm concerned that you have so much knowledge about them.  Last of all, give me a call this weekend.
GGB & Altor-point taken, but I still like to look at that as bad coaching which does lead to being undisciplined.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Genius Gone Bad on October 05, 2007, 08:29:49 am
has been
I agree with you 100%
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2007, 08:46:29 am
GGB, hasbeen and altor,

I think you are all right in some way or form.....its up to the coaches to keep the players FOCUSED during a delay such as that.  I think it can explain maybe a couple of the penalties but the DC team seems to be not as disciplined as in years past.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 05, 2007, 12:55:17 pm
Glad to see some more chatter on the board. 



I would like to see more...seems the HCAC room was more colorful a couple years ago during MSJ's rise to HCAC power. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 05, 2007, 03:51:17 pm
I haven't seen a hanover fan on this board in a looong time.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 05, 2007, 05:29:31 pm
It was more lively because we were all still in college. Now we're working stiffs like everyone else.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 05, 2007, 05:48:57 pm
SaintsFan:
I haven't seen a truly disciplined DC team in many years.  Even going back to those couple 9-1 teams in the early '90s, they made a lot of dumb mistakes.  Back then, it seemed like they would get penalized at least twice a game for stupid and unnecessary personal fouls...things like taunting or late hits out of bounce.  In recent years, they've really cleaned a lot of that up, but you still see the occasional slip.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 06, 2007, 12:10:08 am
Altor,

Perhaps "Eng's" induction, tomorrow, might serve as a decent example for the current crop at "North Clinton High."  Dragon Lady and I wanted to get up for it, but not in cards.  Hope that Jimmy Clark, Bill McPhee, Mike Matta, Gary Blakeman, Tommy Shaffner, Sparks, and others of that era do.  They may have been beaten by ONU and MUC, but there weren't any chippy players under Tigyer.

Back to the metamusil, rose hip tea, and Lawrence Welk hour.

Best to all HCAC teams tomorrow - stay healthy.

DC'75

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 06, 2007, 12:38:49 am
can you get sick drinking your own pee?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 06, 2007, 01:42:02 am
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can you get sick drinking your own pee?

Psychologically, probably; chemically, not deadly.  Add a smattering of hops, granola, and soda water and you've got an equivalent of Bud Light  ;D

Hope your Griz kick it tomorrow, VB
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 06, 2007, 11:38:11 am
i am hoping the griz keep building off of each week and keep getting better. i know i have said it before, but indy is a great football town and a town that could have a great DIII playoff team each year.

anybody hear nick saban bashing south florida's recruiting? don't they have to meet the same ncaa requirements at alabama as they do at usf? thought that bold statement was out of line, personally.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCAlum06 on October 06, 2007, 02:31:14 pm
FC looking good early up 21-0 with a little under ten minutes to go in first half.

Rupp has already thrown for over 200 yards plus they have combined for over 100 yards rushing.

Live stats of game:
http://www.franklincollege.edu/athletics/TAS/xlive.htm
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 06, 2007, 02:43:46 pm
If Rupp & Dillon keep on padding their stats for the rest of the season, it will be interesting to see who gets the offensive MVP b/c right now they are putting up huge #'s.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 06, 2007, 03:09:16 pm
Any update on the DC score?
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 06, 2007, 03:11:57 pm
20-7 DC at the end of the first was the last update that I've seen.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 06, 2007, 03:29:05 pm
27-21 DC at the half
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 06, 2007, 03:58:05 pm
28-27, RHIT.  Start of 4th, DC has ball on Rose 18 after 36 yd Vetter draw, Thornton run, and quick passes to Dillon and Nate.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 06, 2007, 04:01:43 pm
Touchdown, Vetter to Dillon.  2 pt misfires.  Dillon has 10 catches, 145 yds, 4 TDs.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 06, 2007, 04:41:52 pm
Congrats to DC and thank you, RHIT long-snapper.  RHIT muffs winning FG with 5 seconds left.  33 to 31.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 06, 2007, 08:26:57 pm
Sun and heat got to both teams in Defiance today.  Though I think RHIT looked in better condition at the end of the game.

RHIT had the ball, down 2 points, with 4 minutes to go.  On 1st and ten, they throw a 40 yard bomb that was defended well, but the receiver caught it on what looked like the 2nd or 3rd attempt.  After that, it looked like they were going to march right down the field and put it in the end zone...certainly everyone felt the game-winning field goal attempt was coming.  Then, DC intercepted a pass with 1:55 on the clock at the 5 yard line.  RHIT had one time out, which they used after 1st down.  On 2nd down, DC gains a few yards, leaving 3rd and 5 or 6.  Clock running...snap come at about 1:05.  Tailback takes the ball and tries to run clock by going around the end.  Ball pops loose and RHIT recovers about the 25 yard line...probably already in field goal position.

They take 2 plays to gain 7 or 8 more yards and center the ball on the middle of the field.  Spike the ball on 3rd down with 8.5 seconds.  Field goal unit comes out.  I thought the snap was good from where I was on the home side....apparently cave2bens thinks it was bad *shrug*.  Whatever happened, the ball that came off his foot was the worst ball I'd seen him kick all day (warm ups included).  It was kinda a knuckling line drive that hit the upright and bounced back into the endzone.  DC just took a knee to end the game.

The ironic thing, after all that talk about penalties this week, there were probably 4 or 5 flags thrown total today (about 2-3 per team).
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 06, 2007, 08:57:02 pm
Thanks for the play-by-play altor, I would have been going nuts if I was there.
Did I read right that "the Berg" beat Baldwin-Wallace?  That would be a huge win for their program.  Also, it is good to see that Manchester is currently 3-2!, they have something in common w/ the Detroit Lions :D
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 07, 2007, 12:09:13 am
yep, they beat baldwin wallace. amazing.

franklin was tough today, from what i heard.

i just got done watching all of the big games. big times games from cincy and lsu, and osu and stanford??? wow, harbaugh leading like bo. or leading like his father.

not too much else. the good guys keep winning and big time college ball is filled with whacky business. we should all meet in fort wayne and go to a nice asian massage parlor. enjoy your sundays and have a great day.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 07, 2007, 12:57:46 am
How about Harbaugh calling out USC (-44) during the PAC 10 Media Day....he said they might have been the best team in college football history and then beats them...wow

Pete Carroll's face is priceless when the Trojans get beat..

Coach Hallett and his staff leading the Student Princes over Baldwin Wallace...wow.

Thomas More gets all over the 7th ranked defense in the country.  Using another freshman QB making his first collegiate start...they pound Westminster 34-7

and finally, Notre Dame is OFF the schnide...

great day for me.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 07, 2007, 11:30:12 am
also my old QB's Coach, Steve Sigler's team was victorious yesterday over Wisconsin. 

Congrats Coach Sigs.....you have come a long way from Panhandle St to Illinois....if you are reading this....I've lost your number since our last "chat" from back in December.  Give me a call. 
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 07, 2007, 11:33:17 am
also got to call out the MSJ Sports Information Department....  I mean, the local news showed some highlights of the win against Hanover (two plays to be exact), but its more than this website has seen all year...step up.  You've got a good football team once again, but nobody outside of Cincinnati can read about it.


also, Pat.....I didn't see the Thomas More/Westminster game on the schedule yesterday...did I miss something??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 07, 2007, 12:25:28 pm
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I thought the snap was good from where I was on the home side....apparently cave2bens thinks it was bad *shrug*.  Whatever happened, the ball that came off his foot was the worst ball I'd seen him kick all day (warm ups included).

Sounds as if you had a better seat, surveying the "back 40" and Mikula's corn crop than I - listening to "The Bull -105.7" and their rather mundane/broken commentary - from my less than scenic office in Atlanta.  Simply relaying description of high snap, and "difficulty for the holder," per the announcer (amidst his plea for "brownies from some co-ed." 

Apologies to the RHIT center if non-confirmatory post caused undue, personal agitation.  Just satisfied that Mike's HOF induction and another missed Homecoming wasn't marred by a DC faux pax.  Chalked as a "my bad" - for what that's worth.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 07, 2007, 12:25:57 pm
Coach Hallet is a great coach and as I have always said, very personable and players like playing for him. I never played for him but still liked talking to him and BSing whenever I had the chance. Glad to see he may have the Berg turning in the right direction. Which is bigger. The Berg beating BW this year or Oberlin beating Wooster back in 2003? Thus far, the college football season has been great at all levels.

UC and Rutgers. They put together an ESPN instant classic last night. Brian Kelly has put together a solid team (same individuals as Dantonio but play together as a team 10 times better). I am very impressed by the character of UC. Down at halftime on the road and don't give up.

Ohio State beat up the Boilers (Sorry Coach Hill). Purdue came in averaging 500+ yards of offense a game and over 45 points. OSU held them scoreless for 59 minutes and 50 seconds and held them to 277 yards of offense. I wish it would have been a good game however. Purdue's starting left guard is from Indian Hill and as much as I hate the Braves, I like this kid. He wrestled and I used to roll around with him during his junior and senior year. He couldn't stop my throws :) He was 6'4" 245 in HS and tried everything to gain weight. First year at Purdue he gains 35 pounds. And to quote ESPN...OSU's defense is "Sick."

After USC lost (GO JIM HARBAUGH) I was a Florida fan for the first time in my life. Too bad that didn't work out but LSU is very tough and has a chance to go undefeated in the SEC (Which is rather weak this year but still possibly the best all around conference in college football). They are a very scary team. You know Florida was giving it everything they had after losing to Auburn and still couldn't hold off the Bengal Tigers.

The Cardinal pulled off the biggest upset possibly since OSU beat Miami in the Fiesta Bowl. Great game. USC has shown signs of struggling (last week barely beating an upstart Washington team). What makes this sweeter is Harbaugh called out USC. Though he did "praise" USC and Pete Carroll, it was more of a knock on him and his program and to go out and beat them is unbelievable.

MSJ kicks the sh!t out of Hanover...which I loved every minute of, but I would rather play in the style of game against Hanover my junior and senior year than blow them out like that. But...I know Tepee will post sooner or late...I LOVE IT!



Bring on Franklin: "Let's open up a whole can of kick ass and kill 'em all, let the paramedics sort 'em out. "
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 07, 2007, 12:36:29 pm
And I finally found out why this post forum is so boring. We're all friends (in an odd sort of way). We BS and talk football sharing our beers together electronically. There is no trash talking. So to be the confident man I once was and stir the pot, MSJ will beat the Grizz at Home.

4-Peat!!!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 07, 2007, 03:23:46 pm
cave2bens:
I was in the top row, right in front of the radio guys.  It's also possible that I missed the snap.  Given that I hadn't seen the kicker mis-kick one that badly all day, I'm starting to doubt myself.  I was in a bit of a daze by the end of the game...it was so stinkin' hot.

Heh, one of the moms brings a box of brownies to every game.  Whenever DC scores a TD, she passes around the "Touchdown Brownies."

Adam:
I'm going to wait until mid-week to give my predicitions, but I must say that Franklin's box scores are looking pretty darn good so far.  That is going to be one heck of a game.  I hope it's on an Internet feed somewhere next weekend.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 07, 2007, 07:58:10 pm
altor,

maybe the "touchdown brownies" had something to do with your state of mind and NOT the heat..


Adam, its very good to see Hallett giving the Student Princes some discipline..  If the administration is as committed to turning things around as is rumored....Hallett will bring back some of the old tradition and make the team a consistent winner in Tiffin.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 07, 2007, 11:16:31 pm
sayer,

the game this week will be like the russian killing apollo creed. the grizzlies are the russian, you are creed.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StillMSJ on October 08, 2007, 12:27:14 am
Hey guys, been a while but I still stop in to read.  Been up here at Indiana Wesleyan University finishing up my school.  I start student teaching this spring so it won't be long until I join the ranks of some Cincy-area high school  ;) .  It's a little late (a week late to be exact) but I went to the Anderson - MSJ game last weekend since Anderson is just down the road from here in Marion, In.  I must say I'm pretty impressed with this years Mount team.  It's not the usual "cataclysmic destruction" defense that I'm used to seeing, but they got the job done.  The offense is what really got me excited, although it was a bit nestaulgic watching the Soriano-style offense (being lead by an Anderson High QB no doubt).  Playing against them in high school was rough enough so I can almost sympathize for MSJ's opponents' defenses.  That man can coordinate an offense, and he has the Lions geared in the right direction.  They really seemed poised and confident.  56 points against Hanover, I believe that's a Mount record, beating my freshman year mark of 51 over Hiram.  Go Lions go.
I'm debating on making an appearance at the Franklin game.  I may be in town but not sure yet, plus I want to see some of y'alls ugly mugs anyways.  Being up here in Indiana has me missing the Cincy-love from back home.  I won't talk about the Bengals though, it's just too hard right now.  I'll just stay focused on the Bucks and my MSJ Lions, who, as Sayer so adequetly put it, will inevitably 4-peat.  Get those rings fellas, one game at time!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 08, 2007, 08:28:30 am
Yeah, Sayer...I'm with you.  Plus we want MSJ undefeated prior to the Bridge Bowl Game..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 08, 2007, 08:30:51 am
Remember a few years ago when this board was full of hanover fans and they called us mt. st. blow?  they talked about tea baging our coach?  Where are they now?  



I LOVE IT!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 08, 2007, 10:08:19 am
I'm not old and punch drunk like Apollo Creed was. That would be SaintsFan. I think that hit at Alma is catching up to him :) I, however, would be more like Rocky. Come into your town, jam out to some Eye of the Tiger, slug it out, and send you home crying after I beat you cause your fans like me more than you. Then I would procede to give some dumb speech about changing. But it's not about me. It's about a MSJ senior class who will go 25-1 in HCAC games and walk away with a ring for every finger.

3 consecutive years Franklin has lined up, 3 consecutive years Franklin has come close, but for 3 consecutive years, Franklin has been beaten. Franklin is no doubt the underdog, but MSJ has a group of kids who have the pressure of winning number 4 and keeping the streak alive. You don't want to be "that" class who doesn't win. I'm confident they can and will handle the pressure.


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 08, 2007, 10:11:29 am
Na Na Na Na, Na Na Na Na, Hey Hey Hey, Good-Bye!!!


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 08, 2007, 01:02:18 pm
I may be old and punch drunk...but I still gave that jerk-off at the bar a run for his money when I cleaned him up!!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 08, 2007, 02:23:15 pm
apollo was in the best shape of his life, that's all i am saying.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 08, 2007, 03:37:27 pm
thats definitely not me...but will be soon.  I'm going to make sure of that.  Even have a new tattoo picked out to help me celebrate it..

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Adam Sayer on October 08, 2007, 06:56:16 pm
I'll be in shape too. Me and the Ol Lady are getting Gym meberships to the Hyde Park Golds Gym (once the one in Kenwood is built, we'll go there). She has lost 40 pounds and I'd like to lose another 35-40. I still got wrestling season to look forward to.

It's the, eye of the tiger, its the trill of the fight....... It's in my head.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StillMSJ on October 08, 2007, 08:15:20 pm
Speaking of being in shape, you should see me in my new team uniform Sayer and Teepee.  Never thought I would have a calling in Competitive Cheerleading, but God works in mysterious ways.

What's with Luke Dillon's huge numbers?  Good for him and all, but can we get some love in the stat column for Mike Jones? (Who?)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 08, 2007, 09:17:42 pm
Cave2bens and altor, the brownies in the DC stands after TDs got their start two or three years back. I think Mike Brancheau's mom and Ryan Sloan's mom started doing it. I remember sitting next to one of them at a game where DC put up a bunch of points and getting stuffed on brownies. I think it was Anderson or Hanover. But that was BHA (Before Heart Attack). I'd have to take a pass on them now.

Speaking of the announcer, Cave2bens and altor, I was listening to the podcast down here in Florida and the regular sports announcer had this annoying way of saying "and complete" when referring to passes. It sounded like he was saying "incomplete" then you'd learn that there was a pass completion. He said it every time and it was pretty frustrating trying to decipher what he was talking about. DC put up some pretty good numbers Saturday but they'd better get their secondary up and running. They gave up way to many big plays. And Vetter - dammit! He's actually a pretty good QB in the pocket or when he runs the ball (tough little bastard) but every time he rolls out, he throws off his back foot and it's usually for a pic. DC has three pretty good targets at wideout and Vetter is starting to rotate them. When someone plays man or zone coverage on Dillon, he throws to Dillon because all Luke has to do is jum two feet and he's already eight and a half feet in the air. By the time he sticks his arms up, he's eleven feet up there. Kinda hard to cover that. If they double team Dillon, Vetter can throw to Gary Allen or Nate Fitton.  I like this Thornton kid at running back, too. A freshman, no less.

Sayer, you should've been down here for the past couple of weeks. We had a red tide. The beach was piled up a foot deep in rotting fish carcasses. It smelled like the dirty uniform hamper of a women's basketball team. Uggghhh!

Hey, you DC guys, I don't hear from you anymore. What gives?

I was planning to get up for the RHIT game but plans fell through. Maybe later in the season now.

Stillmsj: Let me get this right. Did you say you're a cheerleader now? I see your lad Rason Lewis ain't exactly setting the world on fire at McMurry.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 08, 2007, 09:22:01 pm
Second to Dillon on the DC squad is 13 catches for Gary Allen.  Have other teams started to double cover Dillon yet or is he just that good that he can't be stopped?  

How about Rupp's 72% passing w/ only 1 int & 14 td's!  Could you imagine Dillon & Rupp together on the same squad?  

Besides personal stats, this is a huge week for the HCAC.  MSJ vs. Franklin, both are getting some votes for top 25 & both seem to be getting stronger as the season carries on.  My prediction was that Franklin would take this one at the beginning of the season & I'm still thinking that, but MSJ has shown me a lot more than what I first thought of them.  Overall, I'm guessing that this will be a great game & I look forward to reading a lot of smack between victory & the MSJ faithful.  
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 08, 2007, 11:40:29 pm

Speaking of the announcer, Cave2bens and altor, I was listening to the podcast down here in Florida and the regular sports announcer had this annoying way of saying "and complete" when referring to passes. It sounded like he was saying "incomplete" then you'd learn that there was a pass completion. He said it every time and it was pretty frustrating trying to decipher what he was talking about...
 

Joe,

There must be inherent (not inherited) problems with southerners trying to comprehend proper, midwestern elocution when the broadcast crosses the Mason-Dixon.  I was plagued with a similar auditory impairment.  Per Altor's comment, don't imagine many OH football fanatics expect (or accept) 90 degree, October afternoons, and perhaps that accounted for the diction discrepancies...  ;D  With the EtOH bans @ Defiance, we can't blame that... I'd have never survived  ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 09, 2007, 08:19:25 am
Speaking of male cheerleading....


ONLY would an ex Mount St Joe player become a cheerleader.  Says something about whats going on up there in Delhi.  My God...
(yes, Sayer....I had to go there)  Reminds me of the South Park episode where the kids had to attend the Museum of Tolerance because Mr. Garrison decides to try to get fired for choosing to 'bat from the side of the plate he bats from'


Sayer, btw that Golds is right by my house now....I mean seriously right across the street.  There are many wonderful bars in the area....maybe after one of your workouts we could hit up the Pub. 

has_been,

I don't think there'll be smack talk from the MSJ guys (see note on cheerleading above). 

Also...rumor has it they've been disguising Dillon as a referree on some plays, a ball boy for a few others and a member of the chain gang for the rest of the plays where his number is called.  I think if the HCAC and NCAA catch onto this and FORCE Defiance to paint the same boundary lines around their field that everyone else has to have.....Dillon should be able to be stopped.  At that point, it will be up to Taylor through some creative methods utilizing film study (ala the Patriots)...to keep getting him the ball.

Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 09, 2007, 12:30:58 pm
My ex just informed me that she's getting us two tickets to the South Carolina/Tennessee tilt in Knoxville on October 27th.  That should be great fun, as I get to cross a stadium off my "list" of ones to see...


Good topic for here:

Whats your "list"??

Mine was:

The Coliseum (USC)     -  BEEN THERE
Memorial Stadium (Cal-Berkley)
Husky Stadium (UW)
Memorial Stadium (Illinois)
Notre Dame Stadium     -  BEEN THERE
The Big House
The Horse Shoe      - BEEN THERE
Tiger Stadium (LSU)
Tiger Stadium (Clemson)
Neyland Stadium (Tennessee)
The Swamp (Florida)
Rose Bowl
Autzen Stadium (Oregon)


Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 09, 2007, 01:35:45 pm
With the EtOH bans @ Defiance, we can't blame that... I'd have never survived  ;)

You apparently don't know that the Board passed a new alcohol policy beginning with last school year.  The College even had a beer tent out on Webster St before the game on Saturday!

Dillon is getting his share of opportunities.  Early in the game against RHIT, he just ran right by the defense.  Vetter just had to get the ball to him.  Vetter stopped throwing the ball downfield in the second half.  I think the heat got to him more than anybody else on the field (this last part is very much speculation on my part).

I've been to the last 3 games.  I don't remember Thornton being such a key part of the offense as he was on Saturday.  I hope it's a good sign of things to come.  I'll take 6.7 yards/carry every Saturday.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 09, 2007, 02:49:13 pm
With the EtOH bans @ Defiance, we can't blame that... I'd have never survived  ;)

You apparently don't know that the Board passed a new alcohol policy beginning with last school year.  The College even had a beer tent out on Webster St before the game on Saturday!


Actually alcohol ban was in reference to game site, and very much aware of new policy...
Might be surprised as to which "whos, what's, and where're" are known  ;)

Great List, Saints Fan -

I'd only add several others:

Either DK Royal TX Memorial Stadium or Kyle Field for Horns/Aggies
Bryant-Denny Stadium in Tuscaloosa
Sanford Stadium in Athens (GA, not OU's)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 09, 2007, 03:01:50 pm
My ex just informed me that she's getting us two tickets to the South Carolina/Tennessee tilt in Knoxville on October 27th.  That should be great fun, as I get to cross a stadium off my "list" of ones to see...

Lucky you...I've been to Neyland.  You won't be disappointed.  Knoxville is amazing on game day!
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 09, 2007, 03:37:01 pm
Thats what she said...I can't wait. 

She still tells the story of how they rushed the field to tear down the goalposts after the win over Florida in 1998..
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: victorybell_57 on October 09, 2007, 05:14:29 pm
texas or texas a&m would be great choices. i have heard wonderful things about lsu at night. tennessee is insane as well.

some other ones you may not have thought of that i have heard great reviews for:

boise st (great game day atmosphere)
vanderbilt (great football coming in, very festive)
penn st (happy valley rocks on game days)
iowa (50/50 from people)
alabama or auburn (friends have loved both places, any place in the south is tremendous for tailgating as well)


could we be seeing nippert stadium up here soon??
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: altor on October 09, 2007, 06:18:56 pm
cave2bens:
I'm not ignoring your PMs.  Apparently, I don't have enough posts yet to send even a reply back to you.  I guess I'll just have to keep posting. :P


I've only ever been to one I-A stadium on game day, so I can't add much to this conversation, especially since that one was a night game at the Glass Bowl in Toledo when I was about 10 years old.

I've been in the 'Shoe when the OHSAA State track meet used to be held there, but not for game day.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 09, 2007, 06:53:02 pm
No sweat, Altor.  I believe (and trust me, someone will jump in if necessary) the Site Administrator (PC, himself?) put some restrictions on new members to eliminate some shenanigans that had occurred with abuse.  Sorry I cannot recall more specifics.

Two other game day stadiums that rock - if you can stand all the red...

Camp Randall in Madison, Wisconsin
Memorial Stadium in Lincoln, Nebraska

Wouldn't attire yourself in Gamecock Maroon and Black, SF.  Tennessee probably hates Spurrier more than the Bulldog faithful in Athens.  Copper Kettle, in downtown Knoxville, has some pretty good eats and beers.  Ear plugs are a necessity if bored with three, constant renditions of "Rocky Top" (and ex's rancor???)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dc_has_been on October 09, 2007, 09:20:45 pm
Other than the Big House I think Autzen Stadium is an awesome stadium & has a great game day atmosphere.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: JacketsFan on October 09, 2007, 10:11:37 pm
Bob, as you so aptly noted, there does, indeed, seem to be some sort of atmospheric phenomena affecting the radio transmissions of speech patterns north and south of the Mason-Dixon Line. I would imaging that quaffing extreme quantities of certain fermented beverage consisting of hops, malt and water might have a direct effect on this atmospheric oddity, but I think it's also quite possible that people "down heah" talk like we've got a mouth full of hot grits and our ears just ain't accustomed to the Cream of Wheat linguistics in yon northern climes. What say you, brother? ;D

Ben, I'd love to see Dillon and Rupp teamed up. I think that would qualify as a holy shyte moment.

Having said that, I am no longer sure Franklin will take the cake this season. It would seem that MSJ is now capable of putting up respectable amounts of points (now that they have a real QB ramrodding the ball) and their defense is still on fire. Both teams can put up points. The question is now, who has the better D. That I think still belongs to MSJ and I think it might carry the day. Still, it will be a great game and I predict it'll be decided by a touchdown or less.

Unless the MSJ guys all show up in their cheerleader outfits, then all bets are off.

Sayer, how's you family doing? Be sure to tell your mom I said hello.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StillMSJ on October 09, 2007, 11:53:01 pm
ONLY would an ex Mount St Joe player become a cheerleader.  Says something about whats going on up there in Delhi.  My God...
Nothing a partial scholarship and chance to toss around a bunch of hot chicks wouldn't do to convince anyone else to do the same.  Other than the weightloss, it speaks more to the type of athlete MSJ can make you, if you even knew how hard it is to do a back tuck or hold someone above you with one arm.  8)
But like Hubie used to say, "we're not all about that highschool 'RA RA' bull****."

Back to the game, MSJ will beat Frankling in the second half pending a lack of mistakes and turnovers.  From the poise I witnessed up at AU, the Lions offense has their **** together and its more than likely the Hubie will have them ready and serious.  Pete Carrol can assure us that in this game, on all levels, anything can happen.  Go Lions.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nittanybacker on October 10, 2007, 07:51:42 am
I am finally on here after only reading the board for 7 years.  I agree with Victorybell about game day at Happy Valley.  I was at the game about 5 years ago when Penn State played Nebraska and people were sitting in the aisles.  Beaver Stadium was the third largest city in PA.  It was amazing.

I am going to try and make the MSJ game on Saturday even though I should probably be at the house helping my wife unpack but that isn't very much fun.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2007, 08:40:42 am
I now think MSJ is going to lose....unless Sayer shows up in his cheerleading outfit. 

cave2bens,

i can put up with anything my ex does...as long as she takes me to the game and takes care of me later.  HA!  I'll even wear orange...
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tepee on October 10, 2007, 08:49:03 am
I would like to go to beaver stadium and wear a bright yellow shirt to one of their "whiteout" games.

travis ;)
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 10, 2007, 09:14:55 am
i would like to go to Beaver Stadium next year to play QB....since they have "Open Tryouts" Yearly...

I think any of us could do it, really.
Title: Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on October 10, 2007, 10:59:14 am
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I now think MSJ is going to lose....unless Sayer shows up in his cheerleading outfit. 

cave2bens,

i can put up with anything my ex does...as long as she takes me to the game and takes care of me later.  HA!  I'll even wear orange...

Geez, Neyland as a giant "Skinner Box"... game matchup and bonus stimuli would have me hopping around like a grinning, Push-Up too.  ;D  Have big fun!

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