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Title: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on February 14, 2007, 06:14:24 pm
I started this up b/c the new england conference threads have nothing going on but there seem to be some new england posters out there.  if starting a new thread in here is frowned upon, please take it down and accept my apologies.

so here you go, jcon, ecsu alum, bostonion, dr.gilblair, others--please chime in.  here are some predictions to get the ball rolling.

NEWMAC
1.   Amherst—Finished strong last year winning 8 of the last nine against pretty good competition.  Took 2 from division 2 Bentley, 2 out of 3 from conference champ Middlebury, shut out LEC co-regular season champ Keene State, one against Brandeis.
2.   Bowdoin—Don’t really know much about them but have been right up there for a few years.
3.   Tufts—See Bowdoin

Middlebury and Williams don’t make the cut, they both seem like they can mash but pitching isn’t there.

NEWMAC
1.   Wheaton—Stacked, went to final game last year and didn’t lose much.  Pitching should carry them, starters are solid, simmons slides into bakers spot as the closer.
2.   Springfield—not much here other than past performance
3.   Babson—see springfield

LEC
1.   Keene State—Almost everyone is back from a team that went 11-3 in the conference last year and was only an ECSU double header sweep on the last day of the LEC Tournament away from NCAA Tournament last year.
2.   Southern Maine—seems to have a lot returning had a strong showing and new England regional last year.
3.   Eastern Connecticut—I know it is eastern and they will be strong and they will have some studs coming in, so it is a stretch to predict them third but it all depends what team shows up the team that went 8-6 in LEC regular season and lost 1-2-3 hitters or the team that got very very hot at exactly the right time.

MASCAC
1.   Bridgewater
2.   Worcester
3.   Salem State—Atlanta Christian College, Clearwater Christian College, Taccoa Falls College,  & Spring Arbor College aren’t walking through that door in April and May.  Seriously who makes this schedule.

CCC
1.   Endicott
2.   Salve Regina
3.   Somebody else

NAC
1.   St. Joe’s
2.   honestly I can’t think of any other teams in this league

GNAC
1.   WNEC—Returns everyone except Connelly (all-american pitcher/2nd basemen—graduation).  Returning pitchers Anderson (jr. third team all new England 2006, 1-2 with 3.97 era this summer in NECBL), Pizzaferrato (so. Second team all new England, 4-0 2.10 era this summer in NECBL), and others.  Pitching needs to carry them.
2.   Suffolk—Suffolk has some strong returnees (with solid summer experience) but loses Mercado (aka WNEC killer)
3.   Johnson & Wales—Loses a bit to graduation but should hit (they always hit) loses Gilbert to graduation (aka WNEC killer)

If that all plays out that way here is what tournament looks like

Automatic BidsAmherst
Wheaton
Keene
Bridgewater
Endicott
St. Joes (pretty sure that NAC gets an AQ this year)
WNEC

I say Amherst goes to new york region, leaving only one at large bid which goes to southern maine.

I will be the first to admit many of these are just guesses and you can probably tell which conferences and teams I know more (and less) about
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2007, 09:52:05 pm
Looks good, Don, but one correction.  There has been a change in the allocation of bids in the last few years.  There is no specific allocation of Pool C (at large bids) to an evaluation region, or number of bids in toto to a region.  For example, the NESCAC and Little East both might earn Pool C bids. :)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on February 14, 2007, 09:58:19 pm
i don't know exactly how all the bids work but i don't think nescac will get two this year. 

question, does the selection committee (if there is one) take into account what teams conferences did in the ncaa's in the past?

back to the nescac and lec example, last year bowdoin got in as the second nescac team and went 2 and bbq. and a non aq team from the little east also got in, southern maine, who lost in the regional final while ecsu made it to wisconsin. 

seems like an arguement for lec being a "two bid league" but not nescac.  i realize this is just one year but if this were a trend would they take this into account
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2007, 10:05:06 pm
i don't know exactly how all the bids work but i don't think nescac will get two this year. 

question, does the selection committee (if there is one) take into account what teams conferences did in the ncaa's in the past?


No, that criterion is gone from the Handbook as well.

Here is the link to the 2006 Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/baseball/2006/2006_d3_baseball_handbook.pdf) for your review.

The only major addition that I foresee in the 2007 Edition is the paragraph on Geographical regions.  :)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on February 15, 2007, 10:45:42 am
Don,
The best 2 teams in the NESCAC did not make the league tourney. Amherst stumbled against Williams and it ruined their season. Trinity lost their top 3 pitchers to injuries and it killed them. The NESCAC, last year, was just as strong as the LEC. Howeverm because Amherst had one bad weekend and Trinity's pitchers were hurt, nobody really got to see it's best teams. Another thing to consider is that the NESCAC tourney was basically played on the Saturday and Sunday before the regionals. By the time Bowdoin and Middlebury got to the regionals, they were using their 4th starters in the first game. But the league was strong. Look at Tufts. They beat 2 teams that were in the CWS (NC Wesleyan and ECSU). Amherst had some big wins. Williams beat WNEC and other storng teams.

This year, I think Middlebury is the team to beat, but injuries will still be the issue. Donahue, at Amherst, who pitched great on the Cape 2 summers ago, has never been the same since because of elbow issues. If he is healthy, Amherst should overtake Middlebury in the NESCAC West. Kiely and Rappaport, from Trinity, have both missed an entire season after perfoming well in the NECBL. If they are back at full strength, their 1-2 presence is unmatched in the NESCAC East. Tufts just lost their #1 for the entire season, but they do have quality depth in their rotation. Bowdoin lost alot of top talent and will rebuild.

Here's how I see it.
East-
Trinity
Tufts
Bowdoin
Colby
Bates

West-
Middlebury
Amherst
Williams
Wesleyan
Hamilton
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on February 15, 2007, 12:03:47 pm
i wasn't trying to "bash" the NESCAC at all.  I agree it is a strong league.  bostonian you obviously know more about the league than i do.  i appreciate the info. 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on February 15, 2007, 12:31:46 pm
I know you weren't trying to bash it, Don...just figured I'd add my 2 cents.
With all of the injuries, I would definitely say the LEC has a much better shot of getting multiple teams in the tourney this year than the NESCAC.

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on February 15, 2007, 04:12:46 pm
dear bostonian,

I expect a full NESCAC preview on my desk first thing monday morning (wait that is a holiday--you get until tuesday).

thank you

management
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Old Spartan on February 16, 2007, 03:49:04 pm
The report would be ideal if it included some thoughts on the freshman recruits at these schools.  I know of one school that had a particularly successful recruiting effort this year.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on February 16, 2007, 04:10:20 pm
I know of one school that had a particularly successful recruiting effort this year.

Would you like to share with the group?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on February 16, 2007, 04:54:52 pm
Unfortunately, we won't know anything about these freshmen untill the rosters are released.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Old Spartan on February 16, 2007, 05:07:06 pm
If I share my knowledge it will compromise my confidential sources, the rosters should be out soon.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on February 17, 2007, 02:32:54 pm
I really don’t know much about the non LEC teams other than the ones ECSU played against.  The thing I thought was the most interesting last year was the parity in D3 baseball across the country.  Me now being a ECSU groupie and using all my vacation time to follow the team to California, all across New England, deep into Maine for the LEC tourney, NY for the regional and Fox Cities for the championship I did see a lot of teams from all around the country and was really amazed with the thought that no one team really awed me….well Marietta did seem to be a cut above everyone actually, but other than that no one was scary if you know what I mean.  Even the fact we played Chapman 2 times and lost, they didn’t awe me. (darn Buddy K kid twice).  Anyway, my top New England teams are.

LEC- SMU, ECSU, KEENE (ECSU winning tourney and bid)
NEWMAC- Wheaton, Wheaton and Wheaton
GNAC- WNEC, Pizzaferrato huge year

How did SMU get a bid? Keene tied SMU for the regular season and went further in the LEC tournament than SMU.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 19, 2007, 03:58:50 pm
How did SMU get a bid? Keene tied SMU for the regular season and went further in the LEC tournament than SMU.


Southern Maine must have won more important conference games than Keene to get the bid over Keene.  There is a point schedule in the championship handbook that is used to rank teams.  The more points, the greater your chance at getting a bid.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on February 19, 2007, 04:51:44 pm
How did SMU get a bid? Keene tied SMU for the regular season and went further in the LEC tournament than SMU.


Southern Maine must have won more important conference games than Keene to get the bid over Keene.  There is a point schedule in the championship handbook that is used to rank teams.  The more points, the greater your chance at getting a bid.
Thanks Jim,  Just seemed strange because Keene pounded SMU in the LEC tournament also.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on February 19, 2007, 05:09:52 pm
This may have also played a role in southern maine getting in ove keene

From Keene's 2006 Stat page
Apr 22, 2006 at U. of Southern Maine    6-9  L   
Apr 22, 2006 at U. of Southern Maine    6-7  L   
May 13, 2006 vs U. of Southern Maine W 14-4

head to head USM took 2 of 3

and i know there is no official selection criteria for this but USM might have got some "name recognition points"
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 19, 2007, 06:59:59 pm
It use to be that reputation helped to get you in the playoffs but i think those days are gone.  With so many bids taken up by conference Champions (of which i am all in favor of) there are just a few slots open if you do not win your conference.  I like settng up a point system as they have since you know before the season starts just what you have to do.  Few surprises.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: BigPoppa on February 19, 2007, 07:07:57 pm
I was once the beneficiary of the name recognition in the bids process. Our 1994 Carthage team had no business getting into the NCAA after a disappointing 32-15 season. In fact, we turned in our uniforms and equipment and headed for home. We got the #4 seed in the Central Region and had to scramble to get back to school then rolled through the regional to get into the World Series while a North Central team that beat us 5 of 7 times that year was left out of the field... even after beating us in the CCIW tourney final.

I prefer the new method much better.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on February 19, 2007, 07:26:40 pm
i don't think name plays a big role at all. 

but, and coming from someone who spends a great deal of his job making sure people make objective decisions and removing the subjectivity, i will admit that whenever we have humans making decisions, there will be some subjectivity

looking at my first post about this, i think the 2 of 3 games head to head probably played a bigger factor.  they factor in head to head, right?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on February 19, 2007, 07:32:35 pm
New to the game here. I have followed KSC for three years. They lost two games at home to St Joes of Maine. I think thats what kept them from getting a bid. The two games at USM could have gone either way. A bad call at home plate changes one game
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 19, 2007, 07:58:01 pm
Jim is right... the point schedule is what determines who gets a bid after the automatics.  So playing a stong schedule helps... but you have to win a lot of those games to get the high point totals.

Last year, Brockport played a really tough early schedule, but lost a lot of 1 run games and didn't get the points.  And while they may have been under consideration, when a couple of conferences had upsets in them... the potential available bids went to teams who were upset.

I guess the point is win games... no matter who you play.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on February 19, 2007, 08:46:48 pm
One factor I may not have thought of is that the head coaches father passed away the weekend of the LEC.  Do you think it's possible they would have asked to not be included in the bids?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on February 19, 2007, 09:23:58 pm
Coach Howe's Father's death had nothing to do with not getting a bid, maybe with not winning one of those games. They accepted a bid for the ECAC, to host but were rained out. This is  a close knit team and both of Howe's parents were huge fans and knew all the players. That was tough
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on February 20, 2007, 07:07:43 pm
I knew it was pretty bad because Holowaty's daughter Jen was real upset.  I think that definetly took some wind out of the team as close knit as that.  Sure baseball wasn't on their minds. 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: 363dp on February 28, 2007, 11:42:04 am
I was also very surprised last spring when USM got the bid over Keene.  I believe it had to do with ???????? the coach?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on February 28, 2007, 12:31:27 pm
I really think the reason they did not get a bid was out of conference losses to St. Josephs and Colby Sawyer. If KSC had beaten ESCU that would have meant that they had four wins against Holowaty in one season. Also I think they were expecting to play USM and were surprised to find Eastern in the other dugout. I don't think any Dlll team beats Eastern four times out of five. Three out of five wasn't bad, just the wrong three.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on March 05, 2007, 10:59:17 am
USM went to the NCAA because they had name recognition, Ed Flatherty - HOF, and had several quality wins, where KSC had little in the way of wins over quality teams other than those listed below, and lost to some below average squads. KSC will have to win their way into the NCAAs as long as USM and EConn are in the conference. Once there they must win some games to establish a name. Much as Wheaton has done over the past couple of years.

USM - Wins over- Williams, Bowdoin, St. Joe's (twice), EConn, KSC
USM - Key losses, but to quality teams were to Wisconsin-Whitewater (2), Wheaton (2), St. Joe's - 1
        one bad loss was to Husson.

KSC - suffered some bad losses to St. Joe's (2), Colby-Sawyer, Fitchburg St., USM (2), and Amherst.
KSC - Quality Wins- EConn (3), USM (1).

Word!

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on March 05, 2007, 06:12:06 pm
KSC also had a good win over Amherst at Keene - 8-3. Thurston wanted a rematch because his team did not look good. KSC should not have played the game. Keene through their #5 pitcher and Amherst threw their 1or2. It meant nothing to KSC but Thurston wanted to win badly.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on March 05, 2007, 06:31:37 pm
wordsmith,

i appreciate the extra work but why is it that whens USM losses to St. joes it is a loss to a "quality team" but when KSC lost to st joes it is a "bad loss"?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on March 06, 2007, 10:31:58 am
You are correct.

Hey it is below zero here in New England boys!! Let's play 2.

Word
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on March 06, 2007, 11:15:18 am
it is cold here in jersey but very windy, doesn't wind help dry out the ground?  i know when i watch golf i have heard an announcer say, "Very windy last few days which has really dried out the greens and made them fast"

but maybe when it is 28 degrees that theory doesn't count
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 06, 2007, 12:02:48 pm
I scoff at your below zero.  We have had only one high above zero in nearly 3 weeks. 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on March 06, 2007, 12:23:03 pm
it is cold here in jersey but very windy, doesn't wind help dry out the ground?  i know when i watch golf i have heard an announcer say, "Very windy last few days which has really dried out the greens and made them fast"

but maybe when it is 28 degrees that theory doesn't count

Most of Northern New England has 10-15" of snow on the ground. So, aaahhh, wind ain't a big help this time of year except to lower the wind chill; which was -29F this am.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on March 06, 2007, 12:26:43 pm
I scoff at your below zero.  We have had only one high above zero in nearly 3 weeks. 
Scoff as I don't believe it or scoff as in you are a real tuff guy because you live in a state that regularly posts Brass Monkey Warnings every night and nobody gives it a second thought?

Hahahaha

Word
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 06, 2007, 03:48:48 pm
I scoff at your below zero.  We have had only one high above zero in nearly 3 weeks. 
Scoff as I don't believe it or scoff as in you are a real tuff guy because you live in a state that regularly posts Brass Monkey Warnings every night and nobody gives it a second thought?

Hahahaha

Word

Scoff  - as I live in a state (Alaska) that posts those brass monkey warnings.  High School baseball starts in 2 months, our summer league in 3.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: JeffRookie2 on March 13, 2007, 02:25:08 am
Which teams are considered the best in the NE? I know the general pecking order in the NESCAC, but how does that conference compare with everyone else?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on March 13, 2007, 08:14:42 pm
Which teams are considered the best in the NE? I know the general pecking order in the NESCAC, but how does that conference compare with everyone else?

Power teams in the NE have been EConn and Southern Maine with a combined 6 or 7 national titles and 2 legendary coaches. Several other teams have had their moments in the sun, Amherst, Williams, Salisbury State, Bridgewater State and more recently Trinity and Wheaton. Some programs possibly on the verge are St. Joe's, Keene State,  I know I missed some schools but those are the power programs as I see them.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on March 23, 2007, 02:51:05 pm
a general theme for new england favorites so far has been slow starts and finishing stronger on their trip

Wheaton started 1-4 then won four straight including two of TCNJ

Eastern started out started out 1-4 and has won two straight (two left to play)

WNEC started out 2-4 with bowdoin (NCAA tournament), Otterbien, and Wisconson--Steven's Point (#1 & #5 respectively in pre-season poll) left on the schedule.  finishes on a 3 game winning streak go end up 5-4.

Southern maine just started their trip and is 2-0 completely screwing up my theory.

but still three of the top 4 rated teams in the region start out a combined 4-12 to start the season is interesting (well to me)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: candyman on March 26, 2007, 07:19:59 pm
Middlebury beat southern maine today 14-7 in a rematch of last year's ncaa regional. a big win for midd and a bad loss for s. maine. midd is good, should be a contender to repeat as nescac champs, but s. maine could have been a contender for #1 in new england after a strong florida showing.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jcon2134 on March 26, 2007, 07:54:28 pm
There has been alot of discussion that the NESCAC is a better conference or even with the little east I am here to let you all know that is not true sure the NESCAC is a good conference but it is no were near as good as the Little East sure they have some quality wins of the LEC this year but it is not close in my option. So I would like other peoples input on this but I really dont think that it is even close.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on March 26, 2007, 09:25:24 pm
It is very close. The top teams in the NESCAC like Trinity, Tufts, Williams, and Middlebury would be very competetive in the LEC. Tufts beat ECSU last year. Mid just beat S. Maine. I believe Amherst beat Keene St. last year. Two years ago, Trinity was in the NCAA World Series. The leagues are comparable. I think this year, the LEC is stronger though but not by that much. Both leagues are also veyr top heavy. The low end teams are very weak.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on March 27, 2007, 01:06:44 pm
What are people's thoughts on the regional ranking that just came out

New England
1. Wheaton (6-5)
2. Southern Maine (4-0)
3. Western New England (5-4)
4. Trinity (11-1)
5. Williams (4-3)
6. Eastern Connecticut State (4-5)
7. Suffolk (7-3)
8. Babson (5-1)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on March 27, 2007, 01:19:11 pm
That sounds about right...it's tough to tell because of the schedules that teams play are so different. I am guessing that teams like Tufts, Middlebury, UMass-Boston, Keene St. , and St. Joe's will be heard from, too.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on March 27, 2007, 01:28:08 pm
Speaking of the schedules they played, Below is a little more info.  list seems pretty good, it is early and hard to tell, i think with almost every team there you could make an arguement for them to be higher OR for them to be lower.

i know i can't spell, please don't bug me about the teams names i spelled incorrectly, because i am sure i butchered some of them but you know who i am talking about.  thanks

New England
1. Wheaton (6-5)
Wins—John Hopkins, Denison, Umass Boston, TCNJ x2, Coast Guard
Losses—Montclair State, William Patterson, Alvernia, Rutgers Camden, Coast Guard

2. Southern Maine (4-0)
Wins—Albright x2, Gustavus Adolfus, Williams
Loss—Middlebury (not reflected in record above)

3. Western New England (5-4)
Wins—Becker, Hope, Bowdoin, Otterbien, Wisconsin Steven’s Point
Losses—Becker, Cortland, Frostburg, Hope

4. Trinity (11-1)
Wins—Worcester State x2, Babson, North Central, St. Lawrence, Plymouth State x2, Fredonia State x2, Hamilton x2
Loss--Babson

5. Williams (4-3)
Wins—Umass Boston, Eastern Connecticut, Hamline x2
Losses—Southern Maine, Umass Boston, Augsberg

6. Eastern Connecticut State (4-5)
Wins—Whittier, Chicago, Calvin, Buena Vista
Losses—Redlands, LaVerne, Claremont Mudd Scribbs, Wisconsin Whitewater, Williams

7. Suffolk (7-3)
Wins—Coe, Fitchburg State, Benedictine, Becker, Knox, New Jersey City, Albion
Losses—Scranton, Knox, Wisconsin Steven’s Point

8. Babson (5-1)
Wins—Eastern Nazerene, Trinity, Knox, Finlandia, Amherst
Losses—Trinity
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on March 28, 2007, 07:36:24 am
I saw Wheaton beat Brandeis yesterday, 2-1...Wheaton is the same, solid team they were last year...they don't mash, but everybody puts the ball in play, they execute small ball very well, play solid defense, and, obviously, get great pitching from the entire staff...if you beat the, you really have to earn it.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: bball13 on March 28, 2007, 11:03:02 am
I agree with Bostonian.  Pretty much the same team as last year just with new seniors and a new freshman class.  They play station to station baseball and look for clutch two out hits when they need them (and often times they get them).  Last year they didn't blow many teams out of the water, they just beat them in close games in the late innings.  Have to give credit to Coach Podbelski and how he can get a bunch of guys, especially guys that used to be studs in their high school just as on every other team, to play such an unselfish game of baseball.  Granted Wheaton has games where they put up a large number of runs but usually just a game of where the pitcher gives a solid 6, 7, 8 innings they get a couple runs and have their bullpen close it out.  Not to many other teams do this in New England and the nation for that matter
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on March 28, 2007, 11:25:17 am
Their pitching depth is fantastic...I'd say only Eastern CT has that type of depth with starters and relievers.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: bball13 on March 28, 2007, 01:18:07 pm
I would agree.  Econn brings 20 pitchers listed on their roster 14 of which are sophmores on up to seniors, and 6 being freshman.  Some of them are listed as position players as well, I don't know them well enough to know which of them actually get alot of innings or who comes in a big situation. Wheaton has 12 pitchers and returns 9 of them who were on the team that made the run to nationals last year.  I know that Wheaton designates pitchers as pitchers at that's it, so even though Econn may have more guys with quality stuff, I just didn't know if all of them actually through or if they are just used in emergency situations.  I would agree with the depth of both staffs just think that Wheaton has more experience within their staff than Econn, but that's overlooking the fact that I don't know who their real starters and main relievers are or were for that matter.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on March 28, 2007, 01:55:02 pm
They are the same, experience wise...EConn only lost 1 pitcher from last year...and I would also say their guys throw harder, in general, which means little but should be noted. Esposito and Lavorgna are both 87-91 guys, and I believe they anchor the bullpen.

The only pitcher they have that sees any time off the mound is Gilblair, and I believe he only DH's.

Still, they are definitely 1 and 1a in terms of NE pitching staffs. I think So. Maine is supposed to be healthy this year, so they might be #3. Trinity should also be mentioned because Kiely and Rappaport are helthy again.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: bball13 on March 29, 2007, 08:27:47 pm
Wheaton beats U-Mass Dartmouth 12-2 today.  It was 3-2 going into the 9th but a 9 run inning put Wheaton over the top.  Guess that pitching depth really does mean something ;)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on March 29, 2007, 10:20:42 pm
ECSU beat WNEC today, 4-3...doesn't look like ECSU has the offensive horses they had last year.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on March 30, 2007, 12:49:58 am
WNEC is an excellent pitching team. so to say that is unjust
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on March 30, 2007, 06:44:21 am
Didn't meanto denigrate WNEC's pitching...I meant that I didn't see alot of the offensive studs in the ECSU lineup that I saw last year...it seems they lost a lot of their lineup to graduation.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on March 30, 2007, 08:52:25 am
Very true.  I am unfamiliar with ECSU but can speak on WNEC- they are a good team- but beatable.

Any big games in the New England region that will be tests for teams- you know, the games circled on the calander?

42585
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on March 30, 2007, 09:59:40 am
Trinity-Bowdoin and Williams-Middlebury this weekend in the NESCAC...Bowdoin looks very, very young, and Trinity has whooped on the weaker NE teams. Middlebury is Jekyll and Hyde. They can look great and then get swept by Oberlin. Both teams have big time offenses so expect fireworks...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: 363dp on March 30, 2007, 11:59:12 am
Bowdoin is not very, very young. They do have two freshmen that are playing a lot, catcher and cf/lf, but the majority of the contributors are seniors and juniors.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: RedDevils36 on March 30, 2007, 12:26:55 pm
However, Bowdoin lost numerous horses.

Jared Lemieux
Trevor Powers
Marc Bulger
Ricky LeClerc
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on March 30, 2007, 12:59:31 pm
I shouldn't have said young...inexperienced is a better word...where has Driscoll been? I don't think he's thrown an inning yet...

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Old Spartan on March 30, 2007, 01:57:55 pm
All the past stats are available on the web site.  By my calculations, Bowdoin lost 5 of its pitchers to graduation.  These seniors accounted for 227 of the total 330 innings pitched, just under 70%.  Seven players batted above 300, graduation took 4 of those guys.  Graduation leads to opportunities for the next generation's stars, but it makes it hard to predict the future.  I have not done the same analysis for other teams, but may travel to Waltham to see tomorrow's double header.

OS
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on March 30, 2007, 08:20:53 pm


Any big games in the New England region that will be tests for teams- you know, the games circled on the calander?

Look at Rhode Island College/Keene State for an indication of what's going on in the LEC.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: bball13 on March 30, 2007, 09:13:50 pm
Wheaton 6, Endicott 1

4 in a row now for Wheaton.  They're starting put pitching, hitting, and defense together.  If this consist look out.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 02, 2007, 09:05:18 pm
Weather permitting- (snow???) there is a good game on wednesday- USM vs. SJC.

Measuring stick.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 03, 2007, 12:35:31 pm
Weather permitting- (snow???) there is a good game on wednesday- USM vs. SJC.

Measuring stick.

Good Citizen Sanborn will have the Joe's super-jacked, but HOFEF counters with his own brand of clipboard mania. USM rolls as Bourque runs wild.
Joe's sing "Where have you gone Charlie Furbush, our program turns a lonely eye to you, wooo, woooo, wooo, wooo, wooo, wooo. What's that you say Father Michaels, Charlie's left for L-S-U, wooo, wooo, wooo; oh L-S-U, wooo, wooo, wooo.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 03, 2007, 04:08:53 pm
What???
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 03, 2007, 04:38:57 pm
Weather permitting- (snow???) there is a good game on wednesday- USM vs. SJC.

Measuring stick.

Good Citizen Sanborn will have the Joe's super-jacked, but HOFEF counters with his own brand of clipboard mania. USM rolls as Bourque runs wild.
Joe's sing "Where have you gone Charlie Furbush, our program turns a lonely eye to you, wooo, woooo, wooo, wooo, wooo, wooo. What's that you say Father Michaels, Charlie's left for L-S-U, wooo, wooo, wooo; oh L-S-U, wooo, wooo, wooo.

What?

To translate:

Coach Will Sanborn of St. Joe's, who is a great guy, will have his players all hyped-up to play near-by rival USM(the 2 schools are just a few miles away form each other). Ed Flaherty, coach of USM, who is also a good guy and in the coaches Hall of Fame (thus the HOFEF), and is famous for kicking and throwing his clipboard around, will be ready as well. Bourque, is Ryan Bourque, pre-season All-American who plays for USM and is the real deal and will play well.

In the end St. Joe's falls to USM, and the team sings the old Simon & Garfunkel song "Where have you gone Joe Dimaggio, our nation turns its lonely eyes to you woo, wooo, woo." and that they miss Charlie Furbush, a top nation pitching prospect who left their program this year to attend LSU.

Must I explain everything?? Oh yea you are a Red Sox fan, that explains it.  :D
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 03, 2007, 07:50:47 pm
The what? was in reference to charlie furbush being the only way saint joes can beat usm...


they are a complete team.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jim Dixon on April 03, 2007, 07:58:44 pm
The what? was in reference to charlie furbush being the only way saint joes can beat usm...

they are a complete team.

I had a short conversation if Coach Sanborn a week ago and It sounds like he has his team going in the right direction.    You can see how he has looked at what his teams is capable of and has tailored the team to take advantages of their strengths.   

I think that Southern Maine has a target on their back because of the expectations and St Joes has something to prove.  All this works in the monk's favor. 

No matter the result, this promises to be a good game.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 03, 2007, 09:28:42 pm
Any good coach would try to get his team to play to their strengths- as USM will try to score often and early.

Looks like it might be snowed out however.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on April 03, 2007, 10:21:55 pm
First coaches' poll came out yesterday...
1. Wheaton
2. Trinity
3. Tufts
4. Southern Maine
5. ECSU
6. St. Joe's
7. Keene St.
8. Williams
9. Suffolk
10. Bowdoin
11. Salve Regina
12. WNEC

The coaches give no respect to the GNAC and too much respect to the NESCAC, in my opinion...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 06, 2007, 03:07:55 pm
Some games to watch out for this weekend (fri  and sat only, not many--if any--games sunday)

Friday
MIT @ Coast Guard
Endicott @ Babson

Saturday (all double headers)Williams @ Tufts
WPI @ Babson
MIT @ Wheaton
Suffolk @ Wheaton
Southerm Maine @ Eastern Connecticut
Bridgewater State @ Salem State
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: DIII Dad on April 06, 2007, 07:11:24 pm
Suffolk is at Western New England on Sat.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 08, 2007, 07:15:05 pm
Update on New England Games to watch from this weekend

Summary--Wheaton and Eastern flex, everybody else splits


Friday

MIT @ Coast Guard--MIT wins 2-0
Endicott @ Babson---Babson wins 13-7

Saturday (all double headers)
Williams @ Tufts--Split Williams wins 4-3, Tufts wins 4-3
WPI @ Babson---Split WPI wins 3-2, Babson wins 6-5
MIT @ Wheaton--Wheaton Sweeps 17-0 & 15-3
Suffolk @ WNEC---Split, WNEC wins 7-6, Suffolk wins 9-2
Southerm Maine @ Eastern Connecticut---Eastern Sweeps 6-2 & 5-1
Bridgewater State @ Salem State--ppd
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on April 09, 2007, 03:59:42 pm
April 9 NE coaches poll is out...
1. Trinity (3) 17-3 43 pts.
1. Wheaton (2) 16-6 43 pts.
3. Eastern Connecticut (1) 13-6 38 pts.
4. Tufts 13-5 30 pts.
5. Keene State 14-7 23 pts.
6. St. Joseph’s, ME 12-1 10 pts.
7. Western New England 11-7 8 pts.
8. Williams 11-5 7 pts.
Others Receiving Votes: Rhode Island College (5), Suffolk (4), Southern Maine (3), Salve Regina (2).

Trinity has played noone yet. Their record is a result of a very weak schedule. They could conceiveably finish with 27 wins and not make the NESCAC tournament.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Old Spartan on April 09, 2007, 07:47:41 pm
Is this poll driven strictly by the win/loss record or do coaches vote?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on April 09, 2007, 08:48:59 pm
From the looks of it, 6 coaches vote...since there are 6 first place votes...

The poll means nothing. The only poll that matters is the one that the NCAA releases in May.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 09, 2007, 11:23:02 pm
I would like to know who/how the poll is determined and what factors go into deciding what makes one team better than the other.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: abc123 on April 10, 2007, 02:13:20 pm
This is to clear up some info regarding the d3 baseball coaches polls.  New england has 6 coaches that gather votes from the other sixty or so coaches in NE.
Each coach is supposed to call their rep with their top 8 choices.  Those votes are compiled by each region and called to a central point.  At that point each are tabulated, hence compiling a top 8 or 10 teams?  No, Bostonian this poll is NOT and indepth poll like the NCAA regional poll that decides the New England Regionals.  I hope this shed some light on how this is done.

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 10, 2007, 03:51:12 pm
National Rankings followed by Regional Rankings

American Baseball Coaches Association/Collegiate Baseball
NCAA Division III Baseball Poll
April 10, 2007
Next poll: April 24
Rank School Record Points Last Rank
1. (7) Wooster (Ohio) 23-0 239 1
2. (1) Chapman (Calif.) 25-4 233 2
3. Emory (Ga.) 26-4 219 4
4. Cortland (N.Y.) State 17-2 214 3
5. Kean (N.J.) 17-3 208 7
6. St. Olaf (Minn.) 14-1 203 9
7. Wheaton (Mass.) 16-6 192 10
8. Texas Lutheran 25-5-1 180 12
9. Salisbury (Md.) 22-5 172 8
10. Washington (Mo.) 22-5 169 17
11. New Jersey 16-7 156 13
12. Eastern Connecticut State 13-6 144 nr
13. Transylvania (Ky.) 17-5 120 24
14. Pacific Lutheran (Wash.) 24-6 118 nr
15. Wartburg (Iowa) 15-6 116 28
16. Rensselaer (N.Y.) 12-4 114 13
17. Wis.-Stevens Point 9-6 112 18
18. Methodist (N.C.) 23-9 107 21
19. Johns Hopkins (Md.) 16-4 105 19
20. Trinity (Conn.) 17-3 101 30
21. Otterbein (Ohio) 14-5 85 27
22. Millsaps (Miss.) 25-9 76 11
23. York (Pa.) 20-5 72 nr
24. St. Thomas (Minn.) 12-6 71 20
25. Ramapo (N.J.) 20-5 37 nr
26t. Pomona-Pitzer (Calif.) 19-8 36 26
26t. Carthage (Wis.) 10-6 36 nr
28. Washington & Jefferson (Pa.) 12-4 29 16
29. Brockport (N.Y.) State 10-7 19 22
30t. Marietta (Ohio) 14-6 11 25
30t. Rhodes (Tenn.) 30-4 14 nr
Also receiving votes and named on more than one ballot (alphabetically): Augustana (Ill),
Texas-Dallas.

Regional Rankings
New England
1. Wheaton (16-6)
2. Eastern Connecticut State (13-6)
3. Trinity (17-3)
4. Southern Maine (9-6)
5. Tufts (13-5)
6. Suffolk (13-7)
7. Western New England (11-7)
8. Williams (11-5)
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Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 10, 2007, 05:33:00 pm
back to the comment about LEC not being a great conference b/c USM lost to JWU and ECSU lost to Babson, we could play that game all day.

For example we could say

WNEC (GNAC) beat Roger Williams (CCC)
Roger Williams beat Springfield (NEWMAC)
Springfield beat Keene State (LEC)
Keene State beat Babson (NEWMAC)
Babson beat Eastern Connecticut (LEC)
Eastern Connecticut Beat WNEC (GNAC)

Can we therefore say that the GNAC is better than the CCC which is better than the NEWMAC which is better than the LEC which is better than the GNAC?

we could go around in cirlcles like that all day



Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on April 10, 2007, 07:34:50 pm
Let's just say they are all pretty darn good................
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 10, 2007, 11:16:23 pm
I think you are talking about a discussion in another topic- but my point was that any team can beat any team based on a pitcher being hot and the team coming out ready to play.  I wasn't trying to say that the GNAC was better than the Little East because of one win.  I was trying to shed some light on the fact that it is hard for someone to argue that an entire conference is head and shoulders above the rest.  JWU is a middle of the GNAC team and they beat what is supposed to be a top of the pile LEC team.  Yes, it is one win, butanything can happen.

My emphasis was on the fact that any team can beat any team at any time.  Except for Newbury against Bridgewater...thats ugly.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 10, 2007, 11:18:35 pm
to add to that- speculation is overrated.  To try and specualte who is better, you would have to watch every game and know who is throwing and whatnot.  Say team A beats team B 10-0, and Team B beats team C 57-1.  Team A should MURDER team C right?  Wrong!  Track record means nothing when you step onto a baseball field.  You are only as good as your next game...
yes?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 11, 2007, 11:49:45 am
my circular logic point wasn't trying to show that anyone was better than anyone else, it was just to show that you can't go by one game
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 11, 2007, 09:53:52 pm
I was trying to agree with you as well-
one game doesnt take away from what a team has accomplished


anyway-

what makes for an impressive win streak?
a small streak (4-5) where quality teams are beaten?
or a win streak of ten or more games where the team finds a way to win everyday?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 11, 2007, 09:58:20 pm
I agree with watching for streaks.

When trying to see who will be a contender come may i like to look for how teams do when they play good competition in a short period of time.  There are times where a team will play a single game thursday and then double headers on saturday and sunday.  that is 5 games in 4 days and 5 different starting pitchers.  that is when you see what a team can do.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 11, 2007, 10:33:53 pm
and also see if the hitters can keep a consistant focus...
there are many factors and perhaps excuses that can fall upon a team through a season, but a true team and by true, I mean one that will do something come playoff time, is a team that can win consistantly and do what it takes to win a hard stretch of games
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on April 12, 2007, 09:43:27 am
I disagree that those individual games have little meaning. I don't think they tell the full story of how strong a team is, but they have alot of meaning because of the potential Pool C bids that NE teams are going after. The LEC, the NESCAC, and maybe the NEWMAC have teams that will have a shot at an at-large bid if they do not win their conference championships. So the midweek games between teams in different conferences have plenty of meaning. So teams like So. Maine, ECSU, Keene St, Wheaton, Tufts, Trinity, Amherst, and Williams are definitely going to need to help their at-large chances by winning as many of those non conference games.
That's why ECSU losing to Babson, So. Maine losing to JWU, or Tufts losing to Brandeis should not be dismissed.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 12, 2007, 12:45:36 pm
haha i agree on that too- we could go full circle all day
losses along the way mean very little to how a team is so long as they dont make habit of it.  however- in terms of recieving an at large bid they do have resounding effects...
i agree with everyone who has a point on this topic

but bostonian- back to my point about streaks
do you think the powers to be take into consideration what a streak reflects about a team.  say wheaton wins 15 in a row.. and then drops one to a subpar team- which will stick in the mind of the committee?

i dunno- its pretty interesting stuff
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on April 12, 2007, 12:55:35 pm
soxfan,
I'm not sure how the committee does things, but I do know that there is an index which cretaes the NCAA regional rankings. The index takes all of your in-region games and assigns a number of points to each game depending on the strength of the opponent, home or away, and win or loss. That index is then calculated and used for seeding purposes, I believe. I'm not sure if there are other big factors, so the committee might just look at the numbers and create a balanced field.

As for streaks, it's tough to tell. Look at Trinity. They are 17-3....ranked in the top 20...#1 or #2 in NE. But their schedule has been a joke so far, and they lost 2 of 3 to Bowdoin. Now the rankings say that they are a top team. But who knows what the committee will think, and who knows how good their index will be. Granted, they still play 3 vs. Tufts, 2 vs. Amherst and Brandeis, and Eastern CT, so we'll know more about them in a few weeks, but at this point, it's impossible to know how strong they are compared to a ECSU or Wheaton, teams that have played such strong competetion...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 12, 2007, 01:04:11 pm
Thats interesting sutff-
yeah it looks like the truth will be out about Trinity pretty soon- good or bad.

It seems the ship has sailed for USM- I imagine a tournaround will still find them atop the polls
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 12, 2007, 03:02:35 pm
Given the weather in NE, both today, and the predictions for the next week I think it will be difficult for teams to complete their regular schedules, heck even getting all the conference games in will be a challenge.

Given that I wonder how this might influence the committee regarding at large bids? Could make it difficult for NE teams to garner an at large selection.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on April 12, 2007, 03:07:26 pm
Not really. Remember that the index is an average. It is calculated by taking the points earned through the schedule and diving it by the number of games. So if a team only gets 30 games in, it still won't affect the team's index. If the committee uses that index as the biggest factor, teams won't get penalized by having games rained out.

It will be real interesting if the conference tournies get rained out, though! That almost happened last year with the NESCAC.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 12, 2007, 05:51:15 pm
have any tournaments been rained out in recent memory?
and if so, were the regular season champs crowned and how did that play out in terms of NCAA bids?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 13, 2007, 01:45:00 pm
Games to watch for this weekend in new england

Friday
Keene State @ Wheaton
Southern Maine @ St. Joe's
Williams @ Amherst
Bowdion @ Tufts----all three (fri and two saturday) games with live video online www.jumbocast.com

Saturday (all DH)
Rhode Island College @ Southern Maine
Eastern Connecticut @ Umass Boston
MIT @ WPI
WNEC @ Johnson and Wales
Westfield State @ Worcester State
Bowdion @ Tufts
Amherst @ Williams

Sunday
Bridgewater State @ Salem State DH

I put all of these on the list for different reasons, some are key conference games, some are just good games.  please add to this list
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2007, 01:47:08 pm
I don't think I can! Awesome work.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 13, 2007, 03:09:28 pm
Wheaton - Keene State game was a Sunday tilt @ KSC but was moved. I hear the KSC field is far from playable, and they may have to move games to the High School field or worse continue on the road. This is a team that has played 23 games and none at home. Saturday's home DH has already been postponed to 4/27.

Given the weather, the field conditions and the lack of drainage that field has, they may not get a home game until May.

WOW
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Spence on April 13, 2007, 04:29:43 pm
Hopefully some people keep that in mind down the road.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on April 13, 2007, 07:40:18 pm
Looks like Keene St. gave it away today....4-3 Wheaton in extra innings...KSC was up 3-2 going into the 9th.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 13, 2007, 08:04:40 pm
i just looked at the box score and the play by play.

KSC was actually up 3-1 going into the bottom of the ninth.  Two unearned runs in the ninth tied it up.  looks like it was a good game though. 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 14, 2007, 06:50:56 am
Keene State threw their ace - Stromgren- since they do not have any conference games this weekend. Postponed -(unplayable field conditions at KSC): KSC had a 3-1 lead, brought in their ace closer, E-6, hit, wild pitch and wango-tango-tie game. Wheaton goes onto win in 10.

KSC now faces 8 conference games in the span of 8 days between 4/20-4/28.

Then a Grand Finale against the Evil Empire in early May.

If RIC plays well they could be the 2 seed in the LEC.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 14, 2007, 09:36:57 am
While ECSU is Playing away at UMASS Boston today, U of Maine is using their stadium today ( and yesterday) to play U Maryland Baltimore County.

ECSU field in wonderful shape
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 14, 2007, 11:28:51 am
hopefully teams that can play this weekend will get their games in- the forecast for sunday- monday looks grim
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 14, 2007, 03:25:18 pm
Keene State threw their ace - Stromgren- since they do not have any conference games this weekend. Postponed -(unplayable field conditions at KSC): KSC had a 3-1 lead, brought in their ace closer, E-6, hit, wild pitch and wango-tango-tie game. Wheaton goes onto win in 10.

KSC now faces 8 conference games in the span of 8 days between 4/20-4/28.

Then a Grand Finale against the Evil Empire in early May.

If RIC plays well they could be the 2 seed in the LEC.
KSC 's loss reflects more on the fact that they have not had an outside practise yet this year than on their ability as a team. A couple of little things did not get done right which may have played out differently with some practise. Practise for this team has consisted of pre game warmups. Also, of more importance than the loss to Wheaton is that Ford left the game holding his right elbow in the ninth inning.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 14, 2007, 09:01:44 pm
Just reporting the facts of the game. Too bad about the Ford kid.

BTW- There is not a team north of the Mass border that hasn't got similar problems, or they have worked extra hard to solve the field problem like St.Joe's where they had players shoveling a lot more snow than So. NH saw. St. Joe's played 5 games at home in the past week because they put the effort into the field and got it ready for play. Great job Coach Sanborn. Didn't the High School team in Keene play at home this week? Could KSC have used the that field to practice?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 14, 2007, 11:03:39 pm
 Didn't the High School team in Keene play at home this week? Could KSC have used the that field to practice?

No.  They played Monday night. In Keene, only the HS varsity practises on the HS field. Tuesday the field was not playable. Owl Stadium is in a wetlands area. They will be lucky to be ready thursday. My point about not geing able to practise outside i that it is difficult to compete with top teams who have been practising outside, and I think it is a compliment that they are competetive against teams like Wheaton without being about being able to work on some fundamentals.

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Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 15, 2007, 04:49:43 pm
Results (sorry no scores this time, just the winners listed after the game)

Friday
Keene State @ Wheaton--Wheaton
Southern Maine @ St. Joe's--Mother Nature
Williams @ Amherst--Williams
Bowdion @ Tufts----Tufts

Saturday (all DH)
Rhode Island College @ Southern Maine--USM Sweeps
Eastern Connecticut @ Umass Boston--ECSU Sweeps
MIT @ WPI--Split
WNEC @ Johnson and Wales--Split
Westfield State @ Worcester State--Westfield Sweeps
Bowdion @ Tufts--Split
Amherst @ Williams--Split

Sunday
Bridgewater State @ Salem State DH--Mother Nature

Notes
Westfield moves to 6-0 in the MASCAC (meat of the schedule remaining)

Tufts, Trinity, Williams, and Amherst move into drivers seat to get into NESCAC playoffs (two NCAA teams from last year, Bowdion and Middlebury, on the outside looking in, still games to be played though)

Sunday rain outs, this is getting crazy, once the weather clears up it should be a good indicator of what teams are made of, since they will play a lot of games in a very short span, just like they would have in conference tourneys and NCAAs

ECSU sweeps Umass Boston, no word yet from JCON, hopefully he is ok, maybe someone should check on him and makesure he is ok.   Just kidding of course, i actually like that he gets behind his team and shows confidence.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 15, 2007, 04:57:36 pm
JCON along with his team have left the building. So much hope all dashed this weekend as they were swept by the Huskies
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 15, 2007, 05:33:19 pm
Sunday rain outs, this is getting crazy, once the weather clears up it should be a good indicator of what teams are made of, since they will play a lot of games in a very short span, just like they would have in conference tourneys and NCAAs

ECSU knows what above is all about.  (last years LEC and NCAA  NY Regional Tourney)

For more info call Coach Holowaty
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 15, 2007, 10:37:32 pm
Haven't heard much about Middlebury- they had a really decent squad last year.  where are they at now?  It appears Bowdoin has fallen off because of graduation...

anyone?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jcon2134 on April 15, 2007, 10:38:33 pm
It was ugly boys the first game Conway pitched more than well enough to win But the team just did not hit they were no hit by Gilbliar into the 6th inning.

We are now 1-5 in the Conference and 2 games Back of making the tournament in general But there is plenty of conference play left and they will sneak in there and seeing as how theres not shot at an auto bid anything can happen once tourney tiem comes around.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on April 16, 2007, 06:17:45 am
Middlebury lost some offense to graduation but returned their entire pitching staff. However, after Britton, the staff is not all that strong.
Bowdoin lost a lot to graduation and their ace is done for the year becaue of elbow problems.

Both can still make the playoffs. If Trinity sweeps Tufts, Bowdoin would sneak into 2nd. If Tufts takes 2 of 3 or sweeps Trinity. Bowdoin would finish 2nd. If Middlebury takes the Amherst series, they'll get into the playoffs.

If neither makes the playoffs, it'll be the 2nd year in a row where the NESCAC NCAA teams don't make the conf. tourney the next year. Last year, it was Amherst and Trinity.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Old Spartan on April 16, 2007, 12:30:47 pm
If Trinity takes 2 of 3 from Tufts, would we not have a three-way tie?  Do you know how ties are broken?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on April 16, 2007, 12:45:06 pm
Old spartan,
If Trinity takes 2 of 3, the 3 way tie would be broken by best ovrall record because their head to head records would all be the same. Trinity would probably come in first, and Tufts would come in 2nd.

Personally, I think Trinity could sweep this weekend. Tufts is really banged up, and the injuries are starting to take their toll. The offense is sputterin, so the pitchers are really going to have to cme up big if the Jumbos want to get to the conference tournament.

The weird thing is that if Tufts somehow manages to take 2 of 3, it would knock Trinity out of the tournament. Trinity would be ranked the #1 team in NE but they would miss their conference tournament.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Old Spartan on April 16, 2007, 12:50:53 pm
I am sorry to hear that about Tufts, obviously you want the teams to each be at full strength for a good contest.  In any case I hope to be there to see the games.  thanks for the response.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on April 16, 2007, 02:30:19 pm
It's weird becuse Trinity went through the same things last year when their top 3 pitchers were all hurt. Now, Tufts is the team that comes in without some of it's top players.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 17, 2007, 04:33:31 pm
anybody actually playing this week?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on April 17, 2007, 06:04:23 pm
In theory, St Joe's and USM have a home and home Thursday and Friday. I have my doubts!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 17, 2007, 06:07:53 pm
also "in theory" i will wake up early and go to the gym before work.

my money is on no games in maine this week and i will hit snooze multiple times and not been seen at the gym
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 17, 2007, 06:48:12 pm
Had a friend call me today to say that the Keene State coaching staff is very concerned that they have lost their field (currently under water) and that they may not get a home game in this season! WOW wonder if that has ever happened before.

Plywood State and the EEIT University also have issues. Central Mass teams are hurting as well. Snowed this morning here then hard rain all day.

Maybe college baseball should be a fall sport?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 17, 2007, 07:36:32 pm
Keene State Athletic fields are built on wetlands and a flood plane. The Corps of Engineer had to reduce the level up river so they opened the dam. Well, the flood plane flooded. The weather looks good starting sometime tomorrow lasting forever. The dam was closed by 3:30, but I heard there is damage to the mound and home plate. However priorities at KSC seem to be Softball, Lacrosse, Track, then baseball. 

But I think we'll be cutting grass and playing baseball within a week.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 17, 2007, 08:12:59 pm
I can imagine many high school teams have had home seasons cancelled- and its forseeable that a team has lost a season as well.

It is interesting you say fall baseball.

Not Having lights makes it very difficult to get games in mid afternoon in october... playoffs into november would be miserable.
at least for those lucky enough to continue into postseason play the weather keeps getting warmer and better baseball is played in warmer weather.

Lets be honest- how fun is it to hit or pitch whens its wet and rainy and 38 degrees?


I dunno- its interesting- you would lose those dreary weeks upon weeks and months upon months of preseason training in the gym.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 17, 2007, 08:32:51 pm
Well I actually was somewhat serious about Fall being college baseball season.

Fall tends to be a drier season, generally speaking; the cold is an issue either time of year and most of NE must deal with it in the spring as well, the fields are dry and thawed; most players are coming off a summer season and are in decent "baseball" shape, at least more so than in the spring after 4 months of beer, pizza and girlfriends.

I know it will never change but it is interesting to consider.

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 17, 2007, 08:42:10 pm
But a player who has been training under his coach all preseason is a different player than one who played summerball- and perhaps hurt themselves
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on April 17, 2007, 09:05:31 pm
I've always thought that baseball in the fall is better in New England. The drawback is that you run into the cold just as playoffs should be starting.  September through Columbus Day are usually great after that it can get a little iffy.  sorry to hear the KSC has damage to their field but they're probably not alone after this latest round of weather. Hope it's easily repaired.  Pray for clearing weather and extended sunny and dry. It would be nice to have something resembling baseball weather before playoff season starts.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 17, 2007, 09:13:06 pm
I'd have the pre-season start mid-August. Season could start late August.  A 40 game schedule could be completed by Oct 15-20th. Conf. tournaments could get dicey in NE, Wisconsin area. Heck, teams could go to Fla or Ariz. to end their seasons.

Very few D-III players "train" in the summer. The top players, a dozen or so, get to play in the Cape or NECBL; the rest scratch around in Legion to age 19, or the Cranberry League or a twilight league.

Again, the fall is not going to happen, and it has some problems, but weather would not be the factor it has been 2 of the past 3 years as it has in NE.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on April 17, 2007, 09:26:00 pm
interesting proposal! they start football around that time, don't they?  I know it won't fly but it makes a good discussion.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Old Spartan on April 17, 2007, 09:36:40 pm
I say we move New England to southern California!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 17, 2007, 10:59:38 pm
Nice!  We'll just rent a U-HAUL and pack it all up!

We might be slowed by poor driving conditions however...

Maybe we can play some games along the way as well!  That'd be awesome!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 18, 2007, 01:07:12 pm
Keene State Athletic fields are built on wetlands and a flood plane. The Corps of Engineer had to reduce the level up river so they opened the dam. Well, the flood plane flooded. The weather looks good starting sometime tomorrow lasting forever. The dam was closed by 3:30, but I heard there is damage to the mound and home plate. However priorities at KSC seem to be Softball, Lacrosse, Track, then baseball. 

But I think we'll be cutting grass and playing baseball within a week.

Keene State has a track team? Where is the track? I know they have a X-Country and a spring running team, but do they actually have a track? The times I have been there I never saw any actual track. How come baseball plays 4th fiddle? They seem to have a quailty program that continues to improve.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 18, 2007, 07:31:55 pm

Keene State has a track team? Where is the track? I know they have a X-Country and a spring running team, but do they actually have a track? The times I have been there I never saw any actual track. How come baseball plays 4th fiddle? They seem to have a quailty program that continues to improve.
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They run and throw and put and all the other things track partccipants do. There is no outdoor running track. Baseball is expensive, requires a lot of attention, brings in no money and until the last few years had little distinction. They are definitely on the right track now, and should get more financial and physical support, with Howe a full time Head coach and Testo employed by the college full time.

To any one who knows Marty... His daughter Madison came home today...great news
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 18, 2007, 08:35:10 pm
Western New England swept Daniel Webster in DH action today.

Daniel Webster used a female pitcher in one game. Christal Fitzgerald, I attached a link to an article about her. Interesting.

http://www.dwc.edu/athletics/Baseball/FitzgeraldNashuaFeature.shtml


Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2007, 10:27:20 pm
+1 wordsmith!  Good article!  :)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 19, 2007, 03:19:52 pm
Thanks, I try.

By the way University of Southern Maine (EEIT) vs St. Joe's @ 3 today.

This is Maine's version of a backyard brawl. See ya after the game.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 19, 2007, 03:56:14 pm
Wordsmith,

not sure i really even want to know but why is USM EEIT?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 19, 2007, 08:17:13 pm
Wordsmith,

not sure i really even want to know but why is USM EEIT?


Oh that. Well EEIT stands for Evil Empire in Training, see EConn already holds the Evil Empire title-(with all due respect EConnAlum). But HOFEF and the USM program is there ready to take the throne, sort of in training.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 19, 2007, 08:24:16 pm
Greg Ford - Keene State DH went for the cycle today in an 8-0 win over Westfield State. I attached a nice article about the feat.

http://www.keene.edu/athletics/news_article.cfm?news_id=3522

By the way, KSC is 25 games into the season and they have not played a home game. The Owls have a game vs Plywood State tomorrow at Merchant's Field in Manchester followed by a Double AA (is that redondate?) pro game.

KSCer??? How does the Owl field look for the weekend schedule?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 19, 2007, 08:29:47 pm
And finally - the Backyard Brawl goes to the EEIT. So. Maine scored 5 in the top of the 8th to take the lead. The Monks put 2 on the board in the bottom of the 9th but could not get the tying run across.

Too bad Furbush left for LSU. A perfect spot for him in the 6th or 8th inning.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 19, 2007, 11:06:47 pm
so i got distracted from doing my real work and ran some numbers. 

i realize that this isn't a true representation of conference power but it is still interesting to look at.

please remember not everyone plays everyone, if each team in new england played each team once, then this would be very good indicator or conference strength, this is interesting, that is all.

what looking at it and saying, wow i never would have thought that, think about geography, for example, the NESCAC was 11-5 vs the LEC, sounds surprising, but think about the fact that Plymouth State is up in Northern NESCAC country, the NESCAC is 5-0 vs Plymouth.

enjoy

Conference   Percent of Out Of Conference Games Won
NEWMAC                 63%
NESCAC                  62%
LEC                      54%
GNAC                    47%
NAC                     43%
MASCAC                  40%
CCC                     37%

Here are the individual conference breakdowns


NESCAC vs....
GNAC   1-1
NEWMAC   5-5
MASCAC   5-1
LEC   11-5
NAC   4-3
CCC   0-1

GNAC vs...
NESCAC   1-1
NEWMAC   2-3
MASCAC   4-2
LEC   2-2
NAC   5-7
CCC   4-5

NEWMAC vs...
NESCAC   5-5
GNAC   3-2
MASCAC   5-4
LEC   8-5
NAC   3-0
CCC   7-2

MASCAC vs...
NESCAC   1-5
GNAC   2-4
NEWMAC   4-5
LEC   3-10
NAC   5-1
CCC   3-2

LEC vs...
NESCAC   5-11
GNAC   2-2
NEWMAC   5-8
MASCAC   10-3
NAC   3-2
CCC   5-0

NAC vs...
NESCAC   3-4
GNAC   7-5
NEWMAC   0-3
MASCAC   1-5
LEC   2-3
CCC   5-4

CCC vs...
NESCAC   1-0
GNAC   5-4
NEWMAC   2-7
MASCAC   2-3
LEC   0-5
NAC   4-5

the most amazing thing about this is that after i compiled it, the wins and losses actually added up 155-155.  i was not that confident i would have it work out that well.  there may be a mistake in there somewhere though.







Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 20, 2007, 12:26:12 am
WOW amazing work!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 20, 2007, 11:18:06 am
Really nice job. If I had the ability I would give you a +1 Karma point!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 20, 2007, 11:24:23 am
I hate to keep dwelling on this, but, I have followed college Bball for many years and cannot ever remember this happening.

Keene State has rescheduled more games away from their home swamp. Thus their first home game is now not scheduled until Friday April 27th!! They will have played 30 games before they have a home game.   

Good news is their last 6 regular season games are all at home.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 20, 2007, 12:58:37 pm
games to watch this weekend, please add if there are others

Friday
Tufts @ Trinity
Middlebury @ Amherst
WNEC @ Brandeis
Wheaton @ WPI
USM @ St. Joe's Maine

Saturday (all DH)
Tufts @ Trinity
Middlebury @ Amherst
Wheaton @ Brandeis
ECSU @ RIC

Sunday
Wheaton @ USM
Bridgewater @ Westfield (DH)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 20, 2007, 07:26:50 pm
University of EEIT sweeps the home & home vs. St. Joe's. Maybe the fallen light pole was an omen for the Monks?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 20, 2007, 07:39:37 pm


KSCer??? How does the Owl field look for the weekend schedule?
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During the game at Merchants stadium - A beautiful stadium by the way, they really did a good job there, except parking is bad - they announced that the game had been moved to Plymouth. News to the coach, the SID and everyone else. I can't believe that the field could not be ready after another day like today. As of yesterday they were planning on playing at home.  Maybe the grounds crew doesn't work on Saturdays. They did move the softball game too.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 20, 2007, 07:43:18 pm
I hate to keep dwelling on this, but, I have followed college Bball for many years and cannot ever remember this happening.

Keene State has rescheduled more games away from their home swamp. Thus their first home game is now not scheduled until Friday April 27th!! They will have played 30 games before they have a home game.   

Good news is their last 6 regular season games are all at home.

They have stupidly scheduled the make up of West Conn for tuesday the 24th. It's their game to reschedule and they do it on tuesday after four league games on the weekend. Death wish, or maybe they dont want to win out.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on April 20, 2007, 07:50:58 pm
Two big games in the NESCAC leave 2 teams in must-sweep situations for tommorrow.
Middlebury beat Amherst 3-2 without Britton, so Amherst must sweep tommorrow or Middlebury will have the inside track on the 2 seed in the NESCAC west. They'll need a huge effort from Donahue because Britton may be the most talented pitcher in the NESCAC.

Tufts beat Trinity 2-1, with Derek Rice outdueling Chandler Barnard. Trinity must sweep tommorow or they will probably miss the NESCAC playoffs as well. If Tufts take 1 of 2, they will be in great shape to win the NESCAC East.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 20, 2007, 09:01:13 pm
Friday's Results
Tufts @ Trinity--Tufts
Middlebury @ Amherst--Middlebury
WNEC @ Brandeis--WNEC
Wheaton @ WPI--Wheaton
USM @ St. Joe's Maine--USM
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 20, 2007, 09:10:47 pm

 They have stupidly scheduled the make up of West Conn for tuesday the 24th. It's their game to reschedule and they do it on tuesday after four league games on the weekend. Death wish, or maybe they dont want to win out.
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Yea, I mentioned this a while back in a posting, 8 games in 8 days is tough. I guess I'd question that they could win out even if the schedule were in their favor with 4 games against the Evil Empire and Mini-Maine.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 21, 2007, 04:07:15 pm
perfect game tufts at trinity game today, trinity wins 4-0 behind Tim Kiely
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on April 21, 2007, 04:41:13 pm
Tufts leads 8-3 after 6 in game 3. Amherst lost game 1. Trinity is fighting for their NESCAC lives, and it looks like Amherst will not make the tourney this year again.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 21, 2007, 10:03:02 pm

 They have stupidly scheduled the make up of West Conn for tuesday the 24th. It's their game to reschedule and they do it on tuesday after four league games on the weekend. Death wish, or maybe they dont want to win out.

Yea, I mentioned this a while back in a posting, 8 games in 8 days is tough. I guess I'd question that they could win out even if the schedule were in their favor with 4 games against the Evil Empire and Mini-Maine.
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They can and they should.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 22, 2007, 08:22:47 am

 They have stupidly scheduled the make up of West Conn for tuesday the 24th. It's their game to reschedule and they do it on tuesday after four league games on the weekend. Death wish, or maybe they dont want to win out.

Yea, I mentioned this a while back in a posting, 8 games in 8 days is tough. I guess I'd question that they could win out even if the schedule were in their favor with 4 games against the Evil Empire and Mini-Maine.
They can and they should.
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KSCer- so you are predicting that Keene State will sweep EConn and USM? WOW heady stuff, don't get me wrong I'd love to see it, but .... hey wouldn't it be ironic if Keene State got to host the LEC Tourney at the SWAMP after playing so few home games?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 22, 2007, 09:20:46 am

 They have stupidly scheduled the make up of West Conn for tuesday the 24th. It's their game to reschedule and they do it on tuesday after four league games on the weekend. Death wish, or maybe they dont want to win out.

Yea, I mentioned this a while back in a posting, 8 games in 8 days is tough. I guess I'd question that they could win out even if the schedule were in their favor with 4 games against the Evil Empire and Mini-Maine.

They can and they should.

KSCer- so you are predicting that Keene State will sweep EConn and USM? WOW heady stuff, don't get me wrong I'd love to see it, but .... hey wouldn't it be ironic if Keene State got to host the LEC Tourney at the SWAMP after playing so few home games?
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That would not be irony, but divine intervention, or kharma. Just a possibility, but KSC did sweep ESCU at Eastern last year, and I think they are planning on winning.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 22, 2007, 12:14:41 pm
Good luck to KSC on thier up coming schedule vs Evil CT ST U ::) and Southern  Maine.  All I can say is that they better have thier pitching ready, because they will need it.   

Anyway, Keene needs to at least split with Eastern to share LEC. Assuming they sweep SM, which is not a certainty

Having said all this, its all about the LEC Tourny anyway to see who goes to NCAA Regional.  Thats where you  see who can play under the pressure which separate the men from the boys.

This weeks game with Trinity will be a fun one to watch in Htfd
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 22, 2007, 01:46:10 pm
For what it is worth EConnAlum here's  hoping the Evil Empire beats Trinity. ;)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 22, 2007, 02:24:14 pm
For what it is worth EConnAlum here's  hoping the Evil Empire beats Trinity. ;)

Trinity has a great program!!  However, it will only help with there DIII national ranking, but thats about it.

They need to really focus on thier LEC conference games and specifically Kenne State.  Then the LEC Tourny.

Thing I worry about with ECSU is thier defense.  Too many errors.  If they want to be a national champion they need to play 0.97-0.98 fld %.  I know thats demanding, more like D-I but to get past Chapman, George Fox etc, this is where they need to be.  If you look at years they were National Champs,  I think defence and pitching is what actually got them there
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on April 22, 2007, 08:30:11 pm
Score by Innings                              R  H  E
-------------------------------------------
U. of Southern Maine 001 101 000 -  3 10  1
UMass Boston........    201 001 10X -  5 10  0
-------------------------------------------
Looks like KSU and ECSU have the edge on hosting the LEC tourney
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Spence on April 22, 2007, 08:45:30 pm
For what it is worth EConnAlum here's  hoping the Evil Empire beats Trinity. ;)

Trinity has a great program!!  However, it will only help with there DIII national ranking, but thats about it.

They need to really focus on thier LEC conference games and specifically Kenne State.  Then the LEC Tourny.

Thing I worry about with ECSU is thier defense.  Too many errors.  If they want to be a national champion they need to play 0.97-0.98 fld %.  I know thats demanding, more like D-I but to get past Chapman, George Fox etc, this is where they need to be.  If you look at years they were National Champs,  I think defence and pitching is what actually got them there

Good defense is important, but fielding .970 or .980 is a pretty high standard. By the end of the season it would be very nice to be fielding at that level, but to do that for a whole season is very very hard.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 22, 2007, 08:53:18 pm
Score by Innings                              R  H  E
-------------------------------------------
U. of Southern Maine 001 101 000 -  3 10  1
UMass Boston........    201 001 10X -  5 10  0
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Looks like KSU and ECSU have the edge on hosting the LEC tourney
There will be a showdown in the wetlands at Keene on May 5th.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on April 22, 2007, 08:59:16 pm
Should be fun.....but this weekend first.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 23, 2007, 08:37:46 pm
KSC has to sweep ESCU to host the tourney. They can split with USM but they need to sweep ESCU, and they have done that before. If Stromgren matches against Gilbair, it could be one you remember forever.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 23, 2007, 08:56:11 pm
KSC has to sweep ESCU to host the tourney. They can split with USM but they need to sweep ESCU, and they have done that before. If Stromgren matchs against Ghiblai, it cold be on yopu remember forever.

kscer- Are you from a different planet? Dude your typing and/or spelling is atrocious!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 23, 2007, 09:19:25 pm
It ain't me babe.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 24, 2007, 09:31:09 pm
For what it is worth EConnAlum here's  hoping the Evil Empire beats Trinity. ;)

Trinity has a great program!!  However, it will only help with there DIII national ranking, but thats about it.

They need to really focus on thier LEC conference games and specifically Kenne State.  Then the LEC Tourny.

Thing I worry about with ECSU is thier defense.  Too many errors.  If they want to be a national champion they need to play 0.97-0.98 fld %.  I know thats demanding, more like D-I but to get past Chapman, George Fox etc, this is where they need to be.  If you look at years they were National Champs,  I think defence and pitching is what actually got them there

Good defense is important, but fielding .970 or .980 is a pretty high standard. By the end of the season it would be very nice to be fielding at that level, but to do that for a whole season is very very hard.

Spence, your right, but eliminate the unearned runs generated by the difference in a, say .940 and .970 fld % and you have a shot at winning a lot more ball games and at the same time, taken a lot of pressure off the pitching staff.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on April 27, 2007, 09:33:40 pm
KSC has to sweep ESCU to host the tourney. They can split with USM but they need to sweep ESCU, and they have done that before. If Stromgren matches against Gilbair, it could be one you remember forever.

Remember forever.....wow.....lol....why?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 28, 2007, 07:01:53 pm
KSC has to sweep ESCU to host the tourney. They can split with USM but they need to sweep ESCU, and they have done that before. If Stromgren matches against Gilbair, it could be one you remember forever.

Remember forever.....wow.....lol....why?

No doubt it will be an exciting matchup.

But remember Kcer there is a LEC Tournament after.  Which is more important
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 28, 2007, 07:37:44 pm
KSC has to sweep ESCU to host the tourney. They can split with USM but they need to sweep ESCU, and they have done that before. If Stromgren matches against Gilbair, it could be one you remember forever.

Remember forever.....wow.....lol....why?

No doubt it will be an exciting matchup.

But remember Kcer there is a LEC Tournament after.  Which is more important
Hosting the tournament is the first step to winning it. I never realized how nice it is to play at home until this week. I still think KSC has the pitching and the defense and the character to sweep Eastern and win the tourney. Today was step two, sending USM home with two losses.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 28, 2007, 07:54:22 pm
KSC has to sweep ESCU to host the tourney. They can split with USM but they need to sweep ESCU, and they have done that before. If Stromgren matches against Gilbair, it could be one you remember forever.

Remember forever.....wow.....lol....why?

No doubt it will be an exciting matchup.

But remember Kcer there is a LEC Tournament after.  Which is more important
Hosting the tournament is the first step to winning it. I never realized how nice it is to play at home until this week. I still think KSC has the pitching and the defense and the character to sweep Eastern and win the tourney. Today was step two, sending USM home with two losses.

As long as the KSC BB field is not under water ;)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 28, 2007, 07:55:51 pm
KSC has to sweep ESCU to host the tourney. They can split with USM but they need to sweep ESCU, and they have done that before. If Stromgren matches against Gilbair, it could be one you remember forever.

Remember forever.....wow.....lol....why?

No doubt it will be an exciting matchup.

But remember Kcer there is a LEC Tournament after.  Which is more important
Hosting the tournament is the first step to winning it. I never realized how nice it is to play at home until this week. I still think KSC has the pitching and the defense and the character to sweep Eastern and win the tourney. Today was step two, sending USM home with two losses.

As long as the KSC BB field is not under water ;)

Not to worry ESCAlum, remember you have Holywater as a Coach ;D
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 28, 2007, 08:17:45 pm
I guess I now know why you are called "Wordsmith"

Hilarious, I like  that - "Holywater " !!! particularly since I am Roman Catholic

Bravo Wordsmith!!!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 28, 2007, 08:21:21 pm
KSC has to sweep ESCU to host the tourney. They can split with USM but they need to sweep ESCU, and they have done that before. If Stromgren matches against Gilbair, it could be one you remember forever.

Remember forever.....wow.....lol....why?

No doubt it will be an exciting matchup.

But remember Kcer there is a LEC Tournament after.  Which is more important
Hosting the tournament is the first step to winning it. I never realized how nice it is to play at home until this week. I still think KSC has the pitching and the defense and the character to sweep Eastern and win the tourney. Today was step two, sending USM home with two losses.

As long as the KSC BB field is not under water ;)

Not to worry ESCAlum, remember you have Holywater as a Coach ;D
But Kharma is in Keene. The field will be dry and the wind blowing as it does  at Owl stadium,(an incredible misnomer, by the way) and the boys of winter/spring will remember the days in Maine, and how close they came. They believe in themselves and dont need divine intervention.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 28, 2007, 08:24:23 pm
KSCer - who throws game 2 for the Owls? Maybe, Morin, or Chevalier. I was not impressed with what I saw from Maybe today. A patient line-up will have him out of the game by the third inning.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 28, 2007, 09:00:13 pm
KSCer - who throws game 2 for the Owls? Maybe, Morin, or Chevalier. I was not impressed with what I saw from Maybe today. A patient line-up will have him out of the game by the third inning.
I really don't know how they will handle this. If it were me I would throw Morin. Chevalier is more effective for a few innings, and when he is out of the defense, it hurts. Or I may look for a group to pitch. But as Ecsu says winning the tournament is more important than regular season. If KSC loses the first game, they will protect pitching for the tournament (which I don't believe will happen).
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 29, 2007, 09:51:29 pm
Wanted to throw out the question to everyone about what tournament format they think is best.  from looking through the conference websites i can see a few different formats.

4 Team Double Elimination--NESCAC, MASCAC, & NAC
6 Team Double Elimination--LEC
Single Elimination Play In then 4 Team Double Elimination--NEWMAC & GNAC

I have looked at the CCC tourney results and i can't follow it, i can't figure out what format it is, definitely 8 teams, and you can lose once and not be out but that is all i can figure out.

Of those listed i would prefer the 4 team double elimination, makes it harder to get into the tourney and gets rid of the possibility of a team running into one hot pitcher and being eliminated.

It isn't in any of the conferences in New England but I would prefer 4 teams, with best 2 of 3 semi finals and then best 2 of 3 finals.  For conferences with a late tourney (LEC & NESCAC) it would be tough but for the others it wouldn't be that bad.  Semi Finals Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and then finals Friday, Saturday, Sunday.  If you want to save on travel you could have a double header in there.  i think it would be the best way to determine what the best team is.  but that is just my opinion.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: MSG77 on May 01, 2007, 03:26:11 pm
Wanted to throw out the question to everyone about what tournament format they think is best.  from looking through the conference websites i can see a few different formats.

4 Team Double Elimination--NESCAC, MASCAC, & NAC
6 Team Double Elimination--LEC
Single Elimination Play In then 4 Team Double Elimination--NEWMAC & GNAC

I have looked at the CCC tourney results and i can't follow it, i can't figure out what format it is, definitely 8 teams, and you can lose once and not be out but that is all i can figure out.

Of those listed i would prefer the 4 team double elimination, makes it harder to get into the tourney and gets rid of the possibility of a team running into one hot pitcher and being eliminated.

It isn't in any of the conferences in New England but I would prefer 4 teams, with best 2 of 3 semi finals and then best 2 of 3 finals.  For conferences with a late tourney (LEC & NESCAC) it would be tough but for the others it wouldn't be that bad.  Semi Finals Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and then finals Friday, Saturday, Sunday.  If you want to save on travel you could have a double header in there.  i think it would be the best way to determine what the best team is.  but that is just my opinion.

No baseball tournament should ever have a single elimination component IMO.  Too much risk of a better team having a bad game against a good pitcher and then they are done.

4 team DE - a bit too exclusive I think.  Too easy for top seed.  Can win tourney in only 3 games.  If you go 2-0 with your 1 and 2 (all # refer to starters), you have to get beat twice by the other team throwing their 4 and 5 against your 3 and 4.  Seems like too much of an advantage.  I think the NESCAC should go to a 6 team.  Isn't it a 12 team league?  Trinity didn't make it last year and they might not make it this year and I think anyone who follows that league will tell you Trinity is a good side.  The NESCAC is interesting in that they play 3 conf games a weekend, so you need your 3 in conf games, but then the tourney is so short.

6 team DE - at least you have to go 3-0 before the "get beat twice in a row" point.  Usually will determine who the better team is since it is your 3 vs their 3.  And since it is a longer tourney, there is the possibilty of bringing back your 1 on short rest.  This seems to me like the best option.  Doesn't eliminate teams from playoff contention too early, gives all reasonably good teams a chance (Often times the #5 seed will pull some upsets).
Also, teams in NE will be playing in a 6 or 7 team regional and this gives them some experience playing in that type of tourney.

Back to back best 2of3 - Again, only lets in the 4 best teams.  Personally, I think 2of3 (9inn each) is the best way to determine which team is the better of the 2.  I know some state HS and legion tournaments do this and I like it.  But back to back within a week is too much.  You would have to do it over 2 weekends.  6 games in 7 days at the end of the regular season and before the regionals would be foolish.  Too many innings and you would burn out your staff before the regionals.  Also, you would want to go 1, 2, 3 in a best 2of3 (at least 95% of the time) and playing 6 in 7 days would not allow that (most likely).  The finals would likely have the first game as 4 v 4 or vs 1 on 3 days rest.  Not optimal by any means.

The whole point of determining a conf champ should be to make it a fair shot for all those with a reasonable chance and also to not harm the team that wins too much for regional play.  IMO a 6 team DE accomplishes that in the best fashion.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: MSG77 on May 01, 2007, 03:37:20 pm
Just looked at it again and with double headers you could have

Semifinals
Monday - Games 1 and 2 (or alternately Sat)
Tuesday- Game 3 (or alternately Sun)

Finals
Saturday - Games 1 and 2 (or alternately Thur)
Sunday - Game 3 (or alternately Fri)

That would let you have 1, 2, and 3 all on 4 days rest.  It would mean you would likely have to have a pretty deep bullpen though with 3 games in 2 days.  Also, not sure if you could get everyone to have Mon and Tuesday off around finals.  Also, if you finished the reg season on the preceding Sat, it is only 1 day rest til the playoffs so you might not be able to use your pitchers in the semis and it leaves only Sun (the day before the playoffs) as a rain makeup day.  I'm just not sure you can play 2 best of 3s in a week between the end of the reg season and the regionals.  Weather in NE will not allow an already condensed reg season to have 2 weeks for a conf playoff.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: JustAFan on May 01, 2007, 10:50:45 pm
Tufts 3-2 loss yesterday to Eastern Connecticut on a suicide squeeze in the bottom of the ninth and Williams 9-7 win today over Western New England in a game in which Williams only showed up with 12 players suggests that reports of the NESCAC having a down year may be exagerated. I would not underestimate the NESCAC teams in the tournament this year--the top teams in the league this year are very competitive with their peers from the other conferences.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 02, 2007, 04:57:14 pm
I know I have been banned from starting any new polls by the Moderator buthe didn't say I that I was banned from talking about other polls. I noticed this poll on the front page of the D3 web site and wanted to solicit others thoughts about the lack of New England pitchers names. Where do guys like Gilblair stack-up with this crowd?

Current Poll
Who is the best Pitcher in D-III this year?
Devin Drag, Chapman
Jimmy Dougher, Cortland
Robert Flanagan, Rhodes
Jason Glushon, Emory
Adam Samson, Wooster
Joe Augustine, Kean
Matt Aronson, Illinois Wesleyan
Joe DiPietro, Pacific Lutheran
 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 02, 2007, 06:32:07 pm
Wordsmith,

I'd say Gilblair belongs right up there with those guys. He's having yet another great season, and I think it's due more to a lack of exposure than anything else.

Here's how I'd rank those guys, though.

Devin Drag
Jason Glushon
Jimmy Dougher
Adam Samson
Robert Flanagan
Matt Aronson
Joe Augustine
Joe Dipietro

I'd put Gilblair right above Flanagan on that list.

---------------

Here's a much more interesting take, though. My list of the top 10 New England arms.

Shawn Gilblair, Eastern CT.
Chris McDonough, Wheaton
Eric Smolin, WNEC
Chandler Barnard, Trinity
Adam Telian, Tufts
Brad Mountain, Eastern Nazarene
Louie Bernadini, Wheaton
Nick Conway, UMass-Boston
Rick Stromgren, Keene State
Reid Jackson, Suffolk
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on May 02, 2007, 07:11:12 pm
Tim Kiely is the top pitcher in NE...lights out now that he is fully healthy.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: slick on May 02, 2007, 08:04:11 pm
I agree with Bostonian. Tim Kiely had TJ surgery done last June and should not be throwing yet. He is a tough, very though kid/young man. He throws hard, has a great breaking pitch(s) and most importantly is a winner, he fights hard. He was getting MLB looks before he hurt his arm, he is the real deal. Reminds me of a RHP Guidry. A classic tournament pitcher.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 02, 2007, 08:04:48 pm
Not so sure about that, Bostonian. Yes, the perfect game is impressive, but I'm certainly not sold on him being better than a freshman All-American (Gilblair), or even a kid who's pitched in the Cape Cod League (Conway). Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: NEBaseball on May 02, 2007, 08:53:35 pm
Anyone have names of legit dudes (Juniors and Seniors) getting scouted by the MLB for this region?  Like guys with the velocity, accuracy, and poise to do big things at a higher level.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 02, 2007, 09:40:08 pm
NEBaseball,

I'd imagine Gilblair, Conway, Kiely, and Smolin all have professional aspirations / ability. Gilblair's a lefthander who sits in the 85-87 mph range with his fastball, and he knows how to pitch. Conway has pitched in the Cape League, and he throws in the upper 80's with good command. I haven't seen Kiely but I've heard he has a live arm, and Smolin went from being a seldom-used pitcher at Western New England to throwing 92 consistently in front of a Mets scout last weekend.

McDonough from Wheaton and Telian from Tufts could also have pro aspirations, as they're lefties who have a good idea how to pitch.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jcon2134 on May 02, 2007, 09:48:14 pm
I agree with all the New England Pitchers there they are all really good pitchers with great arms and the fact that they get no love like the pitchers in the midwest and west get is awful If we put the top 10 arms in New England Vs. the top 10 arms in any other regions They would beat any one of them in my option.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: frank uible on May 02, 2007, 09:50:40 pm
Will velocity in the high 80s ordinarily attract pro interest? That isn't much faster than batting practice speed for elite DI programs.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 02, 2007, 10:21:42 pm
Depends on everything else, Frank. Take for instance Tim Stronach from Worcester State last season. Drafted by the Mets in the 22nd round, he normally sat 86-88 with his fastball. Kevin Boggan, closer at BC, was taken in the 43rd round, and he barely touched 88.

A guy like Gilblair, for instance, should create serious draft interest, IMO. He's a lefty who has a proven track record (All-American as a freshman), and he throws a good moving fastball 85-87 consistently.

All one need to do is look at Jeremy Sowers. A former first round pick of the Cleveland Indians in 2004, he was one of the fastest moving arms in the entire draft, as he's already a proven starter at the big league level. What's the word on him? He's barely 6'1, and his fastball doesn't crack 88 on a good day. Why did he get a $2,000,000 signing bonus? Because he has pitchability. Who else has pitchability? IMO, a lot of D-III guys from the NE, as they have had to learn how to pitch instead of throwing 95 by guys (Greg Norton, "ace" at UMaine, throws 95 and he has a BAA of .340 this season in the America East Conference).

Honestly, velocity is the most overrated aspect in scouting. Movement, command, and pitchability are much more important, IMO.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: NEBaseball on May 02, 2007, 10:27:09 pm
TheGNAC,

Totally agree with you.  I've seen D-I dudes topping out at 86 and making hitters look silly.

Are there any other pitchers topping out over 90 mph in New England?  
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 02, 2007, 10:42:53 pm
In D-III or in NE entirely?

In D-III, I know Smolin at WNEC throws 90+, and his teammate, Pizzoferrato, had to be touching 90 in the GNAC championship game last weekend. Jagodinzki at EConn throws hard, and I'm pretty sure LaVorga has a power arm, as well. Barnes at Wheaton also has a very good fastball.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: NEBaseball on May 02, 2007, 10:54:08 pm
Do all of these guys have pitchability, like you mentioned earlier?  All seem to have good numbers, the first three mentioned are starters and Barnes/LaVorga finishing games out.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 02, 2007, 11:03:52 pm
Smolin, I'm not sold on. His arm is electric, and it works effortlessly. There was a Mets scout at his start in Nashua last weekend, but there's a reason he didn't pitch much until this, his senior year. Against JWU on Saturday, he pitched 8 innings and allowed just 1 run, while throwing 90+ into the 8th... that said, he struck out just one against JWU, which isn't a sign of pitchability. His counterpart, Pizzoferrato, was a Regional All-American last year, winning 10 games as a freshman, and this year, although his innings are down, he's still shown two plus pitches. He's pitching in the NECBL this summer in a make-or-break year.

The two guys at EConn have very good arms and pitchability, being that they both pitch in a great program for pitchers. Barnes was a stud at Bishop Feehan in high school, and he's been a very good arm to watch over the last 4 years.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: NEBaseball on May 02, 2007, 11:24:04 pm
Smolin, I'm not sold on. His arm is electric, and it works effortlessly. There was a Mets scout at his start in Nashua last weekend, but there's a reason he didn't pitch much until this, his senior year.

Looking at NCAA statistics, the reason may be that he played in left field last year.  This year it looks like he focused on pitching, as left was secured.  He did beat Otterbein, the preseason #1, and hasn't lost since.  His start this weekend vs. JWU was his second against them this year.  He had 11 k's in the first matchup.  Either way, 8 inning 4-hit 1-k shutout is still pretty good.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 02, 2007, 11:32:22 pm
Oh most definitely, I agree. Smolin is without a doubt the best arm in the GNAC, and Burkett getting POTY over him is absurd. I've seen him throw 3 times this season, and every time out he's been exceptional. His arm really works, he's throwing 90 mph with little effort. Only concern I see is that his fastball may be a little straight, and he may need to throw more 2-seamers against better hitters to be more successful.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 03, 2007, 12:06:28 am
Final from Tonight: USM 13 U-Maine 7...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: MSG77 on May 03, 2007, 12:44:55 am
You guys beat me on Tim Kiely - definitely should be on the list.  Didn't realize he was hurt that badly.  He pitched in the NECBL in 05 as well.  Hard thrower with a really good hard slider.  The Tufts team that he was perfect against for 7 inn wasn't a bad team either.  His nos for the year -

4-0, 1.61, 1 Sv. 28.0 IP, 25K/6BB, .89 WHIP - Pretty good

Haven't seen that many games this year vs past years so I can't comment on too many kids.

In terms of straight velocity, I know Jason LaVorgna (ECSU) throws hard.  I had heard that in AZ early in the year he was clocked at 93.  In the past, he had somewhat of a flat fastball and sometimes had trouble getting offspeed stuff over.  Teams would just sit on the fastball and if he left it up it would get hit.  But he has good numbers this year and also pitched in the NECBL last summer.  Maybe he got some good advice there and is improved.  Here are his numbers for this year and for last summer

07 ECSU - 3-0, 1.05, 4 Sv. 25.2 IP, 33K/7BB, 1.09 WHIP
06 NECBL - 3-1, 1.75, 1 Sv. 25.2 IP, 32K/14BB, 1.17 WHIP

Those are really good numbers and his walks seem to be down this year.  Over a K/inn as well.

I would agree as well about "pitchability".  Its not just about throwing hard.  A great example is someone like Joe Serfass.  His fastball was about mid-80s but it had movement and he could really spot it.  Also had a great slider, not hard, maybe around 80, but with late break.  Watching him pitch he never overpowered people, but he didn't walk anyone, he got ahead in the count, and batters would just beat his sinker or slider into the ground.  At one point he pitched almost 50 straight scoreless innings.  Last year he was in high A and had an ERA under 2.  So its not all about arm strength.

IMO that is why Gilblair gets overlooked sometimes.  He is far from an impossing pressence on the mound (I don't think he is over 6') but he mixes pitches and throws strikes.  Has a decent fastball that he spots, a good breaking pitch, and a very good changeup (which last year when on was his best pitch).  As only a sophmore he has a way to go before thinking about getting drafted, but if he continues to pitch the way he has it is always a possibility.  Teams can always use lefties with 3 pitches.


Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: frank uible on May 03, 2007, 01:08:36 am
Of the 300+ pitchers in MLB at any given time how many are New England DIIIers with top velocity in the 80s? My uninformed and unsophisticated guess is zero.  My further guess is that at least 85% of major league pitchers have at least 90 top velocity, and the remainder are "freaks" with unusual qualities, whose backgrounds do not include New England DIII baseball, New England not being a hot bed of college baseball at any level. Any New England DIIIers with top velocity less than 90, who might sign pro contracts, will end up merely filling out rosters in short season Class A and most probably no better.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: MSG77 on May 03, 2007, 01:35:39 am
Of the 300+ pitchers in MLB at any given time how many are New England DIIIers with top velocity in the 80s? My uninformed and unsophisticated guess is zero.  My further guess is that at least 85% of major league pitchers have at least 90 top velocity, and the remainder are "freaks" with unusual qualities, whose backgrounds do not include New England DIII baseball, New England not being a hot bed of college baseball at any level. Any New England DIIIers with top velocity less than 90, who might sign pro contracts, will end up merely filling out rosters in short season Class A and most probably no better.

I don't think I would argue with you.  The Northeast in general is not a hotbed for baseball in general.  I would argue that they may get farther than short season A, but not many players make the majors period without being freaks.  Its the best of the best in the world.  The fact that the south is much more conducive to playing baseball year round no doubts helps in development.  If your question is "Are there any surefire major leaguers in DIII in the Northeast this year?" My answer would be no. But seeing as you obviously are on these boards quite a bit, I would ask you - "How many surefire major leagers come out of DII every year?  Do you follow DIII baseball to look for potential major leagers?"  Because if you do, you must be dissapointed on a regular basis.  There aren't that many players out there in DIII with major league ability.  If they do have the ability, they probably lack major league consistency, which is really the key to baseball.  If you can consistently throw 3 pitches at different speeds for strikes, you sould be given the opportunity to do so until it is proven that you are "batting practice".  Keith Foulke threw a mid 80s fastball and a low 70s changeup for strikes.  Its not the velocity, its the command and change of speed.  Is he an exception, for sure, but they do exist.  You don't have to throw 90s to get people out, but it does help.

I'm just wondering what your point was, because maybe I am missing it.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 03, 2007, 01:42:06 am
Frank, not sure I get what point you're trying to make, either.

So what, since the majority of guys in D-III Northeast aren't MLB prospects, should we not talk about them being professional prospects? I don't think anybody here is saying Shawn Gilblair or Tim Kiely are going to be MLBers. The question was, who in the Northeast are on team's draft radars... guess what, ask any scout or crosschecker in the Northeast, and they'll know who all of those kids are.

Sure, they probably won't advance beyond low-level minor leagues, but who cares?

And as the saying goes, "velocity gets you signed, pitchability gets you to the Major Leagues." Jamie Moyer wouldn't get a speeding ticket with his fastball, and the guy's a potential Hall of Famer.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: frank uible on May 03, 2007, 02:07:28 am
My objective was to learn more about college baseball - about which I don't know a great deal but have certain impressions.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: MSG77 on May 03, 2007, 02:26:09 am
My objective was to learn more about college baseball - about which I don't know a great deal but have certain impressions.

Fair enough.  Couldn't really get the "tone" of your posts from just reading.  Seeing as you have a ton of posts, it came off as trolling from another region.  If your previous posts have been about basketball and football then that would explain it.

The simple answer is "No".  I would not say there are any definite major leagers in DIII in NE this year.  I would also say there are rarely ever any definite major leagers in DI in NE this year or any year.  The same would be true for DII schools all over the country.  Most major leagers are either signed as free agents (from Latin America or the Far East), drafted out of high school, or played DI baseball in conferences that have many scholarships for baseball.  There are always exceptions, but the majority would likely be from one of  those 3 backrounds.  The northeast is not known for producing major leagers out of its college ranks.

But in terms of DII baseball, NE, NY and NJ have produed a large number of DII National Champions. 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: frank uible on May 03, 2007, 03:18:02 am
What DII colleges are the baseball powerhouses at that level?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: JOUL on May 03, 2007, 09:21:06 am
Frank, clearly not a fan of New England baseball

On another note, who has the pitching to win the NESCAC tourny?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Col. Partridge on May 03, 2007, 09:55:48 am

But in terms of DII baseball, NE, NY and NJ have produed a large number of DII National Champions. 

I'm not sure if you meant DIII, I don't see any schools from those states on the list of past DII champions:

http://www.ncaasports.com/baseball/mens/history/divii
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2007, 10:05:51 am

But in terms of DII baseball, NE, NY and NJ have produed a large number of DII National Champions. 

I'm not sure if you meant DIII, I don't see any schools from those states on the list of past DII champions:

http://www.ncaasports.com/baseball/mens/history/divii


I see, New Haven as runner-up twice, Ithaca once and Mansfield PA once.

Thanks for the link!  +1
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: 363dp on May 03, 2007, 11:44:10 am
Franklin Pierce has a very good DII program, playing in the World Series the past couple years. Seven players from last years teams played pro ball last summer.  That is excellent for a DI school.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: MSG77 on May 03, 2007, 01:09:09 pm

But in terms of DII baseball, NE, NY and NJ have produed a large number of DII National Champions. 

I'm not sure if you meant DIII, I don't see any schools from those states on the list of past DII champions:

http://www.ncaasports.com/baseball/mens/history/divii


Oops!  Yeah, I meant DIII.  Should have just used 3 rather than III.  I actually did it III(  ;D ) times in that post.  Nowhere in there did I mean to refer to D2.

Check the time - I guess thats what I get for being on obscure message boards at 2 AM  ::)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: frank uible on May 03, 2007, 02:54:52 pm
Thanks for the info, guys and, if any, dolls. Actually I meant DII. JOUL, I enjoy baseball at all levels but am not a fanatic in a conventional sense. In recent years I have seen about 5-15 New England DIII games per year (this year 4 so far with prospects of seeing about 4-12 more mostly depending on my attendance at regional NCAA playoffs).
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: frank uible on May 03, 2007, 03:06:04 pm
"Having been signed to an NFL contract" might be more accurate than "to play in the NFL" at this juncture.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 03, 2007, 03:16:45 pm
Teams that sign a kid who doesn't throw in the 90s may also see something that makes them think he can improve his velocity with better coaching, weight training, mechanics, etc.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: slick on May 03, 2007, 05:17:31 pm
Besides Jonah Bayliss from Trinty, now a reliever with the Pirates, who is in MLB that came from a D3 NE college?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 03, 2007, 06:54:17 pm
Besides Jonah Bayliss from Trinty, now a reliever with the Pirates, who is in MLB that came from a D3 NE college?


Chris Denforia(sp) out of wheaton...He is out for the year with an injury but he  played with the Reds last year...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: slick on May 03, 2007, 07:27:47 pm
your right, plus he was recently traded to Oakland I believe. He's a good story for D3 ballplayers.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: NEBaseball on May 03, 2007, 08:55:16 pm
He was indeed traded to Oakland, for 2 minor league prospects.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: StraightGas on May 04, 2007, 10:33:14 pm
Anyone have any news on Wheaton's win over USM?  11-1 doesn't make USM sound as good as advertised.  Was it a staff day for USM and they pitched everyone?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 05, 2007, 12:22:18 am
Anyone have any news on Wheaton's win over USM?  11-1 doesn't make USM sound as good as advertised.  Was it a staff day for USM and they pitched everyone?


USM threw their #2 but he was injuried and taken out after 3...USM's lack of pitching depth agan cuaght up with them...USM also showed very little patience at the plate, hacking at the first pitch all day long...Once they got the pitcher in the stretch, they had some success but they lacked plate patience all day long...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 05, 2007, 12:33:20 am
Looks like USM emptied the bench and gave up four unearned runs in the last four innings. Not sure if they're related -- USM has no play by play.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 05, 2007, 02:27:59 am
Looks like USM emptied the bench and gave up four unearned runs in the last four innings. Not sure if they're related -- USM has no play by play.


Yes, but they have live webcast of all their home games...I was at the game today(I run the scorebaord for USM) and while they may have emptied the bench, I think the 11-1 score is pretty accurate with the way the 2 teams played today...Like I said before, USM was very impatient at the plate and if the had taken some pitchers maybe would have had a scoring threat before the game was 6-0...The guy throwing for Wheaton Lou Bernadeni(sp) was very good but wasn't the same pitcher when he had to pitch from the stretch...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 05, 2007, 06:35:43 am
Looks like USM emptied the bench and gave up four unearned runs in the last four innings. Not sure if they're related -- USM has no play by play.


Yes, but they have live webcast of all their home games...I was at the game today(I run the scorebaord for USM) and while they may have emptied the bench, I think the 11-1 score is pretty accurate with the way the 2 teams played today...Like I said before, USM was very impatient at the plate and if the had taken some pitchers maybe would have had a scoring threat before the game was 6-0...The guy throwing for Wheaton Lou Bernadeni(sp) was very good but wasn't the same pitcher when he had to pitch from the stretch...

Not to mention that USM has committed 11 errors in the past 3 games; all losses, all since they beat UMaine.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 05, 2007, 08:37:32 am

Yes, but they have live webcast of all their home games

Sorry -- I don't have the time to sit through an entire game. It's much easier to scan through the play by play if it's listed on the box score like most places.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 05, 2007, 05:46:15 pm

Yes, but they have live webcast of all their home games

Sorry -- I don't have the time to sit through an entire game. It's much easier to scan through the play by play if it's listed on the box score like most places.


Well I kind of figured that, I was more or less throwing that out here for anyone who was bored and wated to listen to some games or, a fan of another Little East team who couldn't make the games....
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: JOUL on May 05, 2007, 08:39:44 pm
after Eastern's sweep today, Wheaton and Eastern Connecticut have to be ranked 1 and 2 (no particular order)...Does Keane drop far? and any projections for the rest of New England rankings?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Old Spartan on May 07, 2007, 09:16:50 pm
Great article in today's (May 7) edition of the Christian Science Monitor on the back page about Husson College Coach John Winkin.  An inspiring story, required reading for all DIII kids as far as I am concerned.

OS
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Old Spartan on May 07, 2007, 09:20:36 pm
Here is the link for the article I referenced above:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0507/p20s01-alsp.html?page=3

Happy reading
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: 363dp on May 09, 2007, 01:48:45 pm
Anyone know where you can get the play by play of the LEC tourney?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 09, 2007, 02:25:52 pm
A link to the Keene State v UMess game. I have yet to find a link to the Tourney or other games.


http://www.teamline.cc/sportpage?teamcode=2737&eventcode=5
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3bballinboston on May 10, 2007, 08:02:44 am
newbury college on espn.com page 2

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/index

outstanding story!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 10, 2007, 10:04:34 am
Don't see it on there. Better to link to the story itself -- I'm sure the Page 2 front page changes frequently.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3bballinboston on May 10, 2007, 10:39:19 am
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=darcy/070509
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Catch08 on May 10, 2007, 08:30:05 pm
nice seeing ESPN giving alittle D3 love but seriously 57-1 wow How can you do that to a team ??? I think they need to bring in a mercy rule or do something to Bridgewater for doing that to Newbury
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3bballinboston on May 11, 2007, 10:59:47 am
http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070510/SPORTS/705100389/1007/SPORTS
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: RedDevils36 on May 11, 2007, 12:59:53 pm
They seem to have left St. Joes out of the mix on that, at least for baseball...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on May 11, 2007, 08:02:21 pm
St Joe's is going to GNAC next year to give all their sports a conference to call home
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3bballinboston on May 12, 2007, 09:43:59 am
yes st. joes of maine is going in the GNAC.. they werent mentioned in that article because they are only in the NAC for baseball
Title: Summer Collegiate League Signings
Post by: TheGNAC on May 12, 2007, 05:29:07 pm
I was browsing some of the summer collegiate league websites, and came across a few D-3 players from New England.

New England Collegiate Baseball League
Jason La Vorgna, RHP, Eastern Connecticut - Danbury Westerners
Jimmy Jagodzinski, RHP, Eastern Connecticut - Danbury Westerners
Zack Thomas, SS, Eastern Connecticut - Holyoke Giants
Shawn Gilblair, LHP, Eastern Connecticut - Holyoke Giants
Craig Thomas, C, Eastern Nazarene - Holyoke Giants
Jason Pizzoferrato, RHP, Western New England - Manchester Silkworms
Chris McDonough, LHP, Wheaton - Lowell All-Americans
Drew Bignall, RHP, Trinity - Lowell All-Americans
Michael Tingley, LHP, Eastern Connecticut - Lowell All-Americans
Conor M Fahey, RHP, WPI - Lowell All-Americans
Scott Guillereault, SS, Wheaton - Sanford Mainers
Chris Burleson, RHP Southern Maine - Sanford Mainers
Chris Anderson, LHP, Western New England - Torrington Twisters

New York Collegiate Baseball League
Dan Benz, LHP, Williams - Brockport Riverbats
Greg Dimarco, RHP/OF, Suffolk - Brockport Riverbats
Reid Jackson, LHP, Suffolk - Bennington Bombers
Phil Mabey, RHP, Keene State - Bennington Bombers
Chris O'Connors, OF, Rhode Island College
Bill Galvin, C, Curry - Little Falls Miners
Josh Simmons, RHP, Wheaton - Saratoga Phillies

As for the Cape Cod League, per usual there are no D-III players under contract yet (elitism). I have heard however that Bernardini from Wheaton will be playing there, and I'm sure some other players will get temporary contracts after the open tryout on June 2nd.

Feel free to add to this list, as there are plenty other collegiate leagues around the country where I'm sure players will be playing.
Title: Re: Summer Collegiate League Signings
Post by: slick on May 12, 2007, 08:25:18 pm
Drew Bignall, Trinity ?? There is no such plyer, unless he is from Trinity University in Texas.
Title: Re: Summer Collegiate League Signings
Post by: TheGNAC on May 12, 2007, 08:59:43 pm
You're right. I was looking over the rosters, and they didn't specify if it was TX or CT. My mistake.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on May 14, 2007, 10:36:47 am
Very good news.  D3cast will cover entire New England Regional.  Live video!

http://www.d3cast.com/index.php

http://www.d3cast.com/schedule.php

I watched the games last year, it is great.  Video quality is good (not amazing), commentators are pretty good, and they have a score bar showing the inning and score at all times.  it is very nice.  Now we just need to get them to broadcast in HD we will be all set.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 14, 2007, 02:22:43 pm
Very good news.  D3cast will cover entire New England Regional.  Live video!

http://www.d3cast.com/index.php

http://www.d3cast.com/schedule.php

I watched the games last year, it is great.  Video quality is good (not amazing), commentators are pretty good, and they have a score bar showing the inning and score at all times.  it is very nice.  Now we just need to get them to broadcast in HD we will be all set.

Sweet, thanks for the info....
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: JOUL on May 14, 2007, 10:48:06 pm
Anyone have predictions for wednesday games?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 15, 2007, 02:23:31 am
my picks

Keene
W. New England
ECSU
Wheaton
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on May 15, 2007, 09:14:35 am
hockeyfan you are crazy, you can't possibly think those teams will win.

here are my picks

Keene
WNEC
ECSU
Wheaton

wait a minute, maybe hockeyfan isn't that crazy.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 15, 2007, 10:47:30 am
Paul, your package is now linked on the front page. Great stuff. Thanks for putting it together.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: RedDevils36 on May 15, 2007, 07:39:08 pm
St. Joes defeats ECSU.  Sleeper.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 15, 2007, 08:06:20 pm
St. Joes defeats ECSU.  Sleeper.

Dear Red Devil,

Well, wake me up when that happens.

         Sincerely,
                  Woody Allen
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: RedDevils36 on May 15, 2007, 08:17:46 pm
Call you around 6:30 pm tomorrow...

In all honesty, of all the games tomorrow, this is one upset that could happen.  While I agree St. Joes does not play the most challenging schedule, there are some big time players on the team.  Don't underestimate them. 

It may be a David and Goliath game, but this time David has a lot more than tock pellets in his pocket. 

Prediction... SJC 6 ECSU 5... Luke Enman goes yard.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 15, 2007, 09:43:56 pm
Call you around 6:30 pm tomorrow...

In all honesty, of all the games tomorrow, this is one upset that could happen.  While I agree St. Joes does not play the most challenging schedule, there are some big time players on the team.  Don't underestimate them. 

It may be a David and Goliath game, but this time David has a lot more than tock pellets in his pocket. 

Prediction... SJC 6 ECSU 5... Luke Enman goes yard.

Unless Charlie Furbush returns visa vi Roger Clemens, Evil Empire prevails 8-1.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 16, 2007, 06:52:56 pm
D3 Webcast is OUTSTANDING this year. Top quality all the way around.

I love it even more that the commentators call the Evil Empire EasternConn :D :D :D

Seriously great work on the cast.

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on May 16, 2007, 08:36:28 pm
i also love the d3cast but as a connecticut native the "Eastern Conn" thing was driving me nuts.  oh he just said it again.

There are 5 state schools in Connecticut.

They are
Full Name --- Shortened Name
University of Connecticut -- UConn
Central Connecticut State University -- Central
Southern Connecticut State University -- Southern
Western Connecticut State University -- WestConn
Eastern Connecticut State University -- Eastern

to say anything else just shows you aint from the nutmeg state.

but i do love d3cast, it is great.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 16, 2007, 08:39:31 pm
St. Joes defeats ECSU.  Sleeper.

Dear Red Devil,

Well, wake me up when that happens.

         Sincerely,
                  Woody Allen

Yea, he just said EasternCollege State 10  St. Joe's 2

By the way Red Devil:
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Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: RedDevils36 on May 16, 2007, 11:24:19 pm
Admitting defeat with grace.  Good call wordsmith.  What most people don't know is that Tupper was throwing with a near torn UCL elbow injury.  He battled, but definitely did not have his stuff.  I've seen him throw for 5 years. 

Congrats to ECSU.  Hopefully meet you in 2 days.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 16, 2007, 11:51:19 pm
to say anything else just shows you aint from the nutmeg state.

The national audience isn't from Connecticut either. And "Eastern" is a Division III school in Pennsylvania, so it would be irresponsible for a national broadcaster to use that term.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 17, 2007, 09:21:38 am
A tip of the hat to Curry.

While the record shows they went 2 and out, and we all know there are no moral victories at this point of the season, they played hard and stood toe to toe and duked it out with the best of them for 16 innings; a break here or there and they could have still been playing today.

Word
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on May 17, 2007, 09:51:32 am
i agree, i was impressed with the way Curry played yesterday.   To play that many innings against that high level competition is impressive.  Two extra inning losses to Keene State (11-3 in LEC) and Wheaton (#6 in the nation) is nothing to hang your head about.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bill Gorman on May 17, 2007, 10:48:22 am
Agreed totally on Curry.  They played the equivalent of nearly three games yesterday.  Despite going "two and BBQ" they continued to battle to the end.

As an aside, I was the Media Coordinator the first two years the regional was in Harwich.  D3Cast (then JumboCast) did the 2002 regional (audio only)--the first time it had been done.  Watching that last night, the improvements that have been made at Whitehouse Field press-wise (trust me on this one), have certainly added to what already was a very nice facility.  It is a great location to hold a regional tournament.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 17, 2007, 11:34:42 am
D3 Webcast is OUTSTANDING this year. Top quality all the way around.

I love it even more that the commentators call the Evil Empire EasternConn :D :D :D

Seriously great work on the cast.



I'll say it again: the work on the Webcasts are OUTSTANDING. Everyone associated should be very proud of the effort and more importantly the result.

On another matter. Before we go to much further down the pike>>> the D3 Web Site is GREAT. I have followed D3 college baseball for many years; I've coached D3 ball players before, during, and after their college careers, and had a son play D3 baseball. I did not think it could get much better, but this web site has really made my enjoyment all the more. Thank you folks who put this together and manage it. I for one really appreciate it.

Is there a method of making a financial contribution to this site?

Word

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2007, 11:41:47 am
D3 Webcast is OUTSTANDING this year. Top quality all the way around.

I love it even more that the commentators call the Evil Empire EasternConn :D :D :D

Seriously great work on the cast.



I'll say it again: the work on the Webcasts are OUTSTANDING. Everyone associated should be very proud of the effort and more importantly the result.

On another matter. Before we go to much further down the pike>>> the D3 Web Site is GREAT. I have followed D3 college baseball for many years; I've coached D3 ball players before, during, and after their college careers, and had a son play D3 baseball. I did not think it could get much better, but this web site has really made my enjoyment all the more. Thank you folks who put this together and manage it. I for one really appreciate it.

Is there a method of making a financial contribution to this site?

Word

Jumping in on the conversation...

Yeah, buy the football preview in the fall, Kickoff 2007,

and, better yet, get your company to buy ads on the web sites.

Those are the first two that I can think of!   ;)

Seriously, contact Jim Dixon for D3baseball.com or Pat Coleman for the D3sports.com family of web sites.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 17, 2007, 07:34:08 pm
Keene State 6 Wheaton 3,

Webcast dude says this is an upset. Ahhh, no it isn't. KSC played Wheaton even at Sidell, and KSCer will tell you except for Ford the closer breaking down (typical of a Ford) KSC would have won. KSC also played the Evil Empire even for 18 innings.

So, Round III of the Evil Empire and the Federation. High Noon Friday.

PS Go Owls
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on May 17, 2007, 07:41:56 pm
come on word, KSC over Wheaton is an upset, it isn't 1980 U.S. Hockey vs USSR but it is an upset.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 17, 2007, 08:20:21 pm
come on word, KSC over Wheaton is an upset, it isn't 1980 U.S. Hockey vs USSR but it is an upset.

Sorry, I don't agree. :-\ I understand why you think that way though,and I hope all the other teams continue to think that way. One team I bet isn't thinking that way tonight and that is ECornSt.

Here is the line for the game earlier this spring. 10 inning duel at Sidell.

Score by Innings                      R  H  E
---------------------------------------------
Keene State College. 002 000 100 0 -  3  9  2
Wheaton College..... 100 000 002 1 -  4  7  2
---------------------------------------------

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on May 17, 2007, 08:51:57 pm
tough day for Curry, you have to be impressed with the way they hung tough!  9 errors by Wheaton in 2 games(ok almost 3 by innings-25 innings) they're lucky they're not headed home
Title: Rain. Bad.
Post by: D3Cast on May 18, 2007, 07:51:26 am
Friday's games in the New England regional have been pushed back to Saturday due to rain. The rest of the schedule now -- tentatively -- looks like this:

Saturday, noon: Game 9
Saturday, 3:30pm: Game 10
Saturday, 7 p.m.: Game 11
Sunday, noon: Game 12

-steve
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on May 18, 2007, 01:48:13 pm
Big days yesterday for the NESCAC and Little East. 

NESCAC
Williams beats St. Joe's and WNEC to stay alive
Trinity Upsets #3 team in the nation in what seems to be an epic battle

LEC
Eastern and Keene both win to move to the winner's bracket finals.


any predictions on how the rest of this plays out?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 18, 2007, 05:39:48 pm
I would like for D3cast to put the games in the archives so I could  watch them...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 18, 2007, 05:41:18 pm
Agreed totally on Curry.  They played the equivalent of nearly three games yesterday.  Despite going "two and BBQ" they continued to battle to the end.

As an aside, I was the Media Coordinator the first two years the regional was in Harwich.  D3Cast (then JumboCast) did the 2002 regional (audio only)--the first time it had been done.  Watching that last night, the improvements that have been made at Whitehouse Field press-wise (trust me on this one), have certainly added to what already was a very nice facility.  It is a great location to hold a regional tournament.


Better than Hadlock field in Portland Maine???  As I player I hated playing there(Harwich)...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 18, 2007, 05:50:53 pm
I would like for D3cast to put the games in the archives so I could  watch them...

The NCAA doesn't permit archiving of postseason games.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: frank uible on May 18, 2007, 07:00:05 pm
Another wonderful NCAA rule at work.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 18, 2007, 07:57:09 pm
I would like for D3cast to put the games in the archives so I could  watch them...

The NCAA doesn't permit archiving of postseason games.

Is there a reason given by the NCAA for this rule? Are they concerned someone could market some of the images?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 18, 2007, 08:08:55 pm
I would like for D3cast to put the games in the archives so I could  watch them...

The NCAA doesn't permit archiving of postseason games.


They have the games from last year's regionals up though???? Do you have to wait for the seaosn to end????
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: D3Cast on May 19, 2007, 12:37:12 am
Some quick thoughts and responses:

Hi to Bill Gorman -- it really doesn't seem like five years and one major press box expansion ago that I was waiting for the phone guy to show up at Whitehouse Field so that JumboCast could put the first phone line in its press box, to audiocast Tufts' games in the '02 regional... now the issues in the press box are WHICH wireless access point to connect to, and where we can put the TV monitor for the press box webcast feed.  ;D

Re: archiving -- as independent videocasts of NCAA Championships events have grown, the NCAA has had to develop and formalize some guidelines about rights granting, and beginning this year, they have started to explicitly specify that internet video rights to the Championships do not include rebroadcast or archival rights. (I use the word "independent" above to differentiate an entity like D3Cast from CSTV (and CSTV.com), the official broadcast partners of the NCAA.)

So technically -- and a bit of a loophole here -- the 2006 regionals are up because the NCAA never said they couldn't be. We are currently working with the NCAA -- not fast enough, I totally understand -- to try and obtain archival rights (at least for a short period of time) for these webcasts, which we feel have showcased some great Division III Championship games in a professional and pretty watchable way.

Re: rain -- boo.

-steve
Title: All-New England Teams Announced
Post by: wordsmith on May 19, 2007, 06:50:23 am
Enjoy ;D

2007 NEIBA All-New England Division Three Teams

FIRST TEAM
C      Craig Turner         Sophomore     Eastern Nazarene
1B     Tristan Hobbes       Sophomore     Eastern Connecticut
2B     Alex Hurley          Senior        Johnson & Wales
3B     Phil Puleo           Senior        Castleton State
SS     Luke Enman           Junior        St. Joseph's (Me.)
SS     Melvin Castillo      Freshman      Eastern Connecticut
OF     Chris Scarola        Senior        Curry
OF     Randy Re             Senior        Eastern Connecticut
OF     Ryan Bourque         Senior        Southern Maine
DH     Nate Nelson          Junior        Worcester State
UT     Shawn Gilblair       Sophomore     Eastern Connecticut
P      Eric Smolin          Senior        Western New England
P      Chris McDonough      Junior        Wheaton
P      Ryan Fote            Senior        Williams
P      Jason LaVorgna       Junior        Eastern Connecticut

SECOND TEAM
C      Chris Kenney         Junior        Williams
1B     Nick Martinho        Junior        Suffolk
2B     James Chevalier      Sophomore     Keene State
3B     Josh Mackey          Freshman      Southern Maine
SS     Josh Cardoso         Sophomore     Rhode Island College
OF     Steve Tahmoush       Junior        Babson
OF     Justin Collett       Sophomore     Salve Regina
OF     Chris Gusha          Junior        Worcester State
OF     Mike Naylor          Senior        Rhode Island College
DH     Neal Allar           Junior        Amherst
UT     Brian Casey          Senior        Tufts
P      Louie Bernardini     Junior        Wheaton
P      Pat Foley            Senior        Southern Maine
P      Chandler Barnard     Junior        Trinity
P      Brad Mountain        Senior        Eastern Nazarene

THIRD TEAM
C      Matt Cooney          Senior        Eastern Connecticut
C      Tim Henault          Senior        Rhode Island College
1B     Bryan McDavitt       Senior        Tufts
1B     Kent Graham          Freshman      Trinity
2B     Kevin Casey          Sophomore     Tufts
2B     Jake Yagjian         Junior        Wheaton
3B     Kevin Simpson        Sophomore     Roger Williams
SS     Travis Bass          Freshman      Castleton State
SS     Ryan Kravontka       Junior        Western New England
OF     Mike Damiani         Junior        Albertus Magnus
OF     Steve Smith          Junior        Bridgewater State
OF     Matt Stafford        Junior        Trinity
OF     Greg DiMarco         Junior        Suffolk
DH     Davin Sirpenski      Senior        Salve Regina
UT     Max Arsenault        Senior        Southern Maine
P      Sam Whelan           Junior        Babson
P      James Lydon          Sophomore     Roger Williams
P      Sam Tupper           Senior        St. Joseph's (Me.)
P      Chris Judd           Junior        Curry

PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Shawn Gilblair, Eastern Connecticut

PITCHER OF THE YEAR
Eric Smolin, Western New England

COACH OF THE YEAR
Eric Podbelski, Wheaton
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bill Gorman on May 19, 2007, 11:02:43 am
Agreed totally on Curry.  They played the equivalent of nearly three games yesterday.  Despite going "two and BBQ" they continued to battle to the end.

As an aside, I was the Media Coordinator the first two years the regional was in Harwich.  D3Cast (then JumboCast) did the 2002 regional (audio only)--the first time it had been done.  Watching that last night, the improvements that have been made at Whitehouse Field press-wise (trust me on this one), have certainly added to what already was a very nice facility.  It is a great location to hold a regional tournament.


Better than Hadlock field in Portland Maine???  As I player I hated playing there(Harwich)...

Of course playing in a minor-league park is going to be better than playing at a high school/Cape Cod League field.  The amenities and resources are clearly much better.  The first year ('01) the regionals were there (and I'm assuming you were on that USM team?) I could go on about behind the scenes horror stories (having nothing to do with the games, or anything that would affect the student-athletes) because the facility wasn't fully equipped to handle what we were putting on.  Many changes were made from that standpoint when they were back there in '02.  My involvement ended after that year, as my boss' term as the regional chair had ended (and he was the one who had the ECAC get me involved), but what I have seen through the video, a lot of things have changed to accommodate the tournament.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bill Gorman on May 19, 2007, 11:09:52 am
Hi to Bill Gorman -- it really doesn't seem like five years and one major press box expansion ago that I was waiting for the phone guy to show up at Whitehouse Field so that JumboCast could put the first phone line in its press box, to audiocast Tufts' games in the '02 regional... now the issues in the press box are WHICH wireless access point to connect to, and where we can put the TV monitor for the press box webcast feed.  ;D

Steve, I remember that day well.  I recall my blood pressure rising each minute we were getting closer to "go time" and Verizon had yet to show up  >:(.  High-speed Internet?  No way.  The days of dial-up on the same line that the fax machine was on and only one phone line for radio (not to mention the overloading of every electrical circuit in '01 before a portable generator came onto the scene in '02) are CERTAINLY long gone and the press box/facility manager's office looks like you can get more than three people in there comfortably now.  While I am no longer involved, I am happy to see/hear about these changes.  I was always in favor of having it there, as it was a neutral site, and I'm glad the people who needed to stepped up and took a lot of my recommendations seriously.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 19, 2007, 04:32:13 pm
Agreed totally on Curry.  They played the equivalent of nearly three games yesterday.  Despite going "two and BBQ" they continued to battle to the end.

As an aside, I was the Media Coordinator the first two years the regional was in Harwich.  D3Cast (then JumboCast) did the 2002 regional (audio only)--the first time it had been done.  Watching that last night, the improvements that have been made at Whitehouse Field press-wise (trust me on this one), have certainly added to what already was a very nice facility.  It is a great location to hold a regional tournament.


Better than Hadlock field in Portland Maine???  As I player I hated playing there(Harwich)...

Of course playing in a minor-league park is going to be better than playing at a high school/Cape Cod League field.  The amenities and resources are clearly much better.  The first year ('01) the regionals were there (and I'm assuming you were on that USM team?) I could go on about behind the scenes horror stories (having nothing to do with the games, or anything that would affect the student-athletes) because the facility wasn't fully equipped to handle what we were putting on.  Many changes were made from that standpoint when they were back there in '02.  My involvement ended after that year, as my boss' term as the regional chair had ended (and he was the one who had the ECAC get me involved), but what I have seen through the video, a lot of things have changed to accommodate the tournament.


Yes, I was involved with the USM teams that hosted the regionals there...I know of some of the problems there, ie a rain out and having to play the championship round at the USM field in Gorham against Bridgewater...I agree that it should be played on a neutral site but as a player, I have played on both and I have a personal gruge on the field in Harwich, it was 11 years ago that i played there so I am sure it is much improved so maybe it just sour grapes cause I can't see the regional's now without driving down there...I thought I was going to see them this year, but the NCAA with it's awesome wisdom won't let you watch achived games on D3 cast...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bill Gorman on May 19, 2007, 05:28:15 pm
Sorry...by "there" I meant Harwich in 2001, not Hadlock/USM.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on May 19, 2007, 06:11:24 pm
I would just like to post a note on what a wonderful job D3Cast  has done with the NCAA NE Regional @ Harwich.

Just a real professional job with the webcast!!

Feel fortunate to be able to watch all the games.  Hope the other regionals will have same opportunity next year

Keep up the excellent work.
Title: Re: Summer Collegiate League Signings
Post by: John McGraw on May 20, 2007, 01:42:32 am
Re: Bernardini

There was a report that Bernardini was supposedly going to pitch for the Hyannis Mets or Falmouth Commodores this summer, I forget which. Last I saw, he was not listed on either roster. He might be used as a temp player.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 20, 2007, 07:24:11 am
come on word, KSC over Wheaton is an upset, it isn't 1980 U.S. Hockey vs USSR but it is an upset.

Sorry, I don't agree. :-\ I understand why you think that way though,and I hope all the other teams continue to think that way. One team I bet isn't thinking that way tonight and that is ECornSt.

Here is the line for the game earlier this spring. 10 inning duel at Sidell.

Score by Innings                      R  H  E
---------------------------------------------
Keene State College. 002 000 100 0 -  3  9  2
Wheaton College..... 100 000 002 1 -  4  7  2
---------------------------------------------



HARWICH, MA- The top-seeded Wheaton College baseball team saw its memorable season come to a close Saturday night at the NCAA Division III New England Regional Tournament, falling to fifth seed Keene State College, 4-1 for the second time in three days at Whitehouse Field. ;D


Another upset? I think not.

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 20, 2007, 07:52:51 am
The Owls fell an inning short last week but with Shawn Gilblair, the hero for Eastern Connecticut in the Little East championship, ailing will this be the Keene State's time?

What's up with Gilblair ??? This quote came from the front page of the D3 Site.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on May 20, 2007, 09:40:00 am
I had the same question.  He played yesterday, no comments about being hurt?!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 20, 2007, 09:53:52 am
I had the same question.  He played yesterday, no comments about being hurt?!

Gilblair left the game on Friday with I think a non-pitching hand injury.  My reports say he is not 100% but that was a day or more ago.

A less that 100% Gilblair is still a pretty good ball player though.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on May 20, 2007, 10:06:43 am
His thumb on his glove hand has been sore for three weeks.  He injured his pitching has thumb by getting jammed this week and he has a little tweak in his back.  Nothing to serious.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 20, 2007, 06:00:10 pm
His thumb on his glove hand has been sore for three weeks.  He injured his pitching has thumb by getting jammed this week and he has a little tweak in his back.  Nothing to serious.

I suspect it is difficult to not have an nagging injury every now and then for all athletes.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on May 20, 2007, 08:51:48 pm
Absolutely, dont go on the field if you hurt your team.  Tons of guys get banged up in the course of the year.  Congrats to the team for a great job.
Title: Re: Summer Collegiate League Signings
Post by: Jcon2134 on May 21, 2007, 09:50:07 am
Nick Conway from Umass-Boston is not yet listed on the roster But he will again be playing in the NECBL for the Lowell All Americans this year. After last year starting the summer playing down the Cape for the Brewster Whitecaps and then being offered a Contract to finish the summer with the Sanford Mainers and did that but this year he will be starting the season in the NECBL for the Lowell All Americans.
Title: Re: Summer Collegiate League Signings
Post by: Jcon2134 on May 22, 2007, 10:25:47 am
The all americans roster was just updated and i was looking at it again and it loks as though Mike Tingely is no longer on it and thats is there final roster to start the season now it changes durning season up to a certian point but I am curious why he is no longer on the roster.
Title: Re: Summer Collegiate League Signings
Post by: kscer on May 26, 2007, 04:59:18 pm
I just heard that Chevalier of Keene signed with Lowell in the NECBL. It will be interesting to see how they use a d3 position player, or only use him for spotty relief.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on July 23, 2007, 06:52:16 pm
Any know anything about the NEIBA game at Fenway?

Anyone have any interesting summer updates regarding D3 players? Stats?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on August 02, 2007, 02:42:17 pm
soxfan,

the article on the front page should answer some of your questions about updates for d3 guys in summer leagues (well league).
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on August 03, 2007, 05:56:18 pm
haha yeah i guess so now.

it amazes me how well d3 guys can match up against those elite players in those leagues.  Take Gilblair for example.  His stats are nasty.  Charlie Furbush lit up the Cape two summers ago and now is lighting up the Tigers minor league teams.

This kind of success will only garner more recognition for players in this region.

Quite frankly, not many high school kids in New England will get a look from bigger schools.  There are a lot of great d3 programs in New England and they are from great schools that give these kids good careers.  However, If scouts were to watch some of the d3 baseball conference tournaments and ncaa regional they would see a lot of potential and exciting baseball!


keep swingin em

soxfan
Title: Re: Summer Collegiate League Signings
Post by: santeezy06 on September 25, 2007, 01:30:38 am
I recently saw Josh Cardoso of RIC playing for the Orleans Cardinals this summer!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on January 17, 2008, 05:01:31 pm
I notice that there were only two players from NE teams chosen for all three teams of the D3 Baseball preseason all star team. Although I can't cite any specifics off the top of my head, this seems a little light given that there are 5 teams rated in the top 30. Maybe I'm all wet on this and Gilblair and the kid from St Joes are the only all america caliber players. Any comments?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on January 17, 2008, 06:37:41 pm
I don't think it's a slight for NE players.  If you check the players selected I think you would be hard pressed to argue any shouldn't be there.  I think D3 did their homework and selected players that merit being selected.  OK here I go toot, toot.... Gilblair was 1st team AA pitcher his freshman year and 1st team AA utility his sophomore year.  He was selected 2nd team but if you look at the players selected it makes sense, even to me.  Yacko is awesome and the pitchers selected are pretty much lights out.  So again I don't think it's a New England thing at all.

Now with that said, I don't know how many teams have ever won a National Championship without having an AA on the team.  It seems that every team that makes it to Appleton has at least one AA.  So they are pretty much saying only St. Joe and ECSU are projected to get there with the selections they have made.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on January 17, 2008, 07:02:15 pm
I sort of agree with you. There are probably 70 - 100 players who could easily slide into that list,  but what is it that keeps them off. I personally think Shawn Gilblair is a first team player because he does everything. Having seen a lot of him over the last two years, just when you think you have him beat, he beats you. He just doesn't look like an AA, he just does it. But enough of that. What keeps the 40 or 50 other top players off that list.? Is it team history?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on January 17, 2008, 07:09:21 pm
I sort of agree with you. There are probably 70 - 100 players who could easily slide into that list,  but what is it that keeps them off. I personally think Shawn Gilblair is a first team player because he does everything. Having seen a lot of him over the last two years, just when you think you have him beat, he beats you. He just doesn't look like an AA, he just does it. But enough of that. What keeps the 40 or 50 other top players off that list.? Is it team history?

Don't know about 70-100 players EASILY sliding in unless it's at second base.  It goes back to my earlier statement as to what teams you think will make it to Appleton and who is their AA player or players?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Spence on January 17, 2008, 07:56:22 pm
I sort of agree with you. There are probably 70 - 100 players who could easily slide into that list,  but what is it that keeps them off. I personally think Shawn Gilblair is a first team player because he does everything. Having seen a lot of him over the last two years, just when you think you have him beat, he beats you. He just doesn't look like an AA, he just does it. But enough of that. What keeps the 40 or 50 other top players off that list.? Is it team history?

I agree. I thought both Yacko and Gilblair should have been first teamers, even if one of them had to be voted 2nd at UTL. I would take either of them over the people that were voted #1 at the infield positions they usually play.

Maybe the two best PLAYERS in Division III this year. Shame that one was 2nd team anything.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 17, 2008, 08:08:20 pm
I sort of agree with you. There are probably 70 - 100 players who could easily slide into that list,  but what is it that keeps them off.

You are not far off in thinking that there could 70-100 player who should be considered.  If you look at all the 1st, 2nd team regional All-Americans in 2007 who are back in school you get about 100-120 players of which about 30-40% are from the first team AA lists. 

I think that the drop off past the best 50-60 players starts to drop off pretty quick.  With 35 names on the preseason AA list, that leaves about 20 who were considered and did not quite make the list. 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 17, 2008, 08:15:01 pm
I would take either  (Yacko and Gilblair)of them over the people that were voted #1 at the infield positions they usually play.

I don't think many would disagree.  Yacko is particularly important since he plays both 3B and SS so well that it gives Chapman a lot of flexibility to who they play on the field.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on January 17, 2008, 09:06:53 pm
I sort of agree with you. There are probably 70 - 100 players who could easily slide into that list,  but what is it that keeps them off.

You are not far off in thinking that there could 70-100 player who should be considered.  If you look at all the 1st, 2nd team regional All-Americans in 2007 who are back in school you get about 100-120 players of which about 30-40% are from the first team AA lists. 

I think that the drop off past the best 50-60 players starts to drop off pretty quick.  With 35 names on the preseason AA list, that leaves about 20 who were considered and did not quite make the list. 

Sorry Kscer, I thought you meant 70-100 on top of those teams. 
Anyway I checked the Championship web site and the last seven years there was at least one AA on the championship team. 

07 Augustine   Senior   Kean Univ.
06 Mike Eisenberg   Senior   Marietta College
05 Greg Reinhard   Junior   University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
04 David Peterson   Junior   George Fox Univ.
04 Scott Hyde   Junior   George Fox Univ.
03 Ryan France   Senior   Chapman University
02 John Kubachka   Senior   Eastern Connecticut State (2nd team)
01 Jake Mauer   Senior   University of St. Thomas (2nd team)
00 Belson                   Senior   Montclair State University

Who from NE is not on the 08 teams now that will be there at the end of the year?  Who knows they may end up champs.  Maybe there is a NE slight.   :D
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on January 17, 2008, 10:12:33 pm
I checked all the teams from the last three years that made an apperance at Fox Cities to see if they had an AA on their team 1st, 2nd, or 3rd.  Only Marietta last year didn't have one. 

So that pretty much says you need an AA on your team to play AT Fox Cities.

07
Jason Glushon   Senior   Emory Univ
Jordan Zimmermann   Junior   Univ. of Wis.-Stevens Pt.
Jeff Livek                   Senior                   Carthage College
Randy Re                   Senior   E. Connecticut State
Devin Drag   Senior   Chapman Univ.
No AA                      Marietta College
Joseph Augustine   Senior   Kean Univ
Jimmy Dougher   Senior   State Univ. of N.Y.-Cortland

 06
Mike Eisenberg   Senior   Marietta College
Scott Guillerault   Sophomore   Wheaton College
Buddy Klovstad   Senior   Chapman Univ.
Rob Bowness   Junior   Montclair State Univ.
Shawn Gilblair   Freshman   E. Connecticut State Univ.
Chuck Brehm   Senior   Univ. of Wis.-Stevens Point
Aaron Thor   Senior   Aurora Univ.
Blake Rice   Junior   North Carolina Wesleyan College

05
Greg Reinhard   Junior   University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
Andy Mead   Senior   State University of New York-Cortland
Luke Ulman   Senior   The College of Wooster
Matt Scherbring   Senior   Wartburg College
Buddy Klovstad   Junior   Chapman University
Mike Rucci                   Senior   Rowan University
John Schoenholtz   Junior   Hampden-Sydney College
Jeff Natale   Senior   Trinity College

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Spence on January 18, 2008, 02:52:02 am
I checked all the teams from the last three years that made an apperance at Fox Cities to see if they had an AA on their team 1st, 2nd, or 3rd.  Only Marietta last year didn't have one. 

So that pretty much says you need an AA on your team to play AT Fox Cities.

07
Jason Glushon   Senior   Emory Univ
Jordan Zimmermann   Junior   Univ. of Wis.-Stevens Pt.
Jeff Livek                   Senior                   Carthage College
Randy Re                   Senior   E. Connecticut State
Devin Drag   Senior   Chapman Univ.
No AA                      Marietta College
Joseph Augustine   Senior   Kean Univ
Jimmy Dougher   Senior   State Univ. of N.Y.-Cortland

 06
Mike Eisenberg   Senior   Marietta College
Scott Guillerault   Sophomore   Wheaton College
Buddy Klovstad   Senior   Chapman Univ.
Rob Bowness   Junior   Montclair State Univ.
Shawn Gilblair   Freshman   E. Connecticut State Univ.
Chuck Brehm   Senior   Univ. of Wis.-Stevens Point
Aaron Thor   Senior   Aurora Univ.
Blake Rice   Junior   North Carolina Wesleyan College

05
Greg Reinhard   Junior   University of Wisconsin-Whitewater
Andy Mead   Senior   State University of New York-Cortland
Luke Ulman   Senior   The College of Wooster
Matt Scherbring   Senior   Wartburg College
Buddy Klovstad   Junior   Chapman University
Mike Rucci                   Senior   Rowan University
John Schoenholtz   Junior   Hampden-Sydney College
Jeff Natale   Senior   Trinity College



Or being in Fox Cities makes you more likely to be an all-american. :)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on January 18, 2008, 10:21:43 am
Tim Kiely should be a preseason AA. Especially after what he did agaisnt Cortland in the regionals last year.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on January 18, 2008, 10:30:34 am


Who from NE is not on the 08 teams now that will be there at the end of the year?  Who knows they may end up champs.  Maybe there is a NE slight.   :D
Now that's an interesting thought. Who are  the best in the region by position. If their teams are in contention nationally at the end of the year then they should be on that list.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on January 18, 2008, 11:06:52 am
I think there will be a correlation between the number of all americans and appearing in the finals but I think that correlation would be much stronger when looking at the all american list at the end of the year than it would be when looking at the pre season all american list.

The pre season list is based on what you did last year and what people expect you to do this year.
The post season list is based on what people actually did this year.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on January 18, 2008, 02:03:25 pm
spence i agree with you, being in fox cities puts more national attention on a player.  I feel that a borderline AA gets the nod if his team goes to the world series.  It goes back to does the star player in MLB with the best numbers get the MVP who is on a horrible team or does the guy with slightly lesser numbers whose team goes to the playoffs get it.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on January 18, 2008, 07:31:34 pm
Tim Kiely should be a preseason AA. Especially after what he did agaisnt Cortland in the regionals last year.

Excellent pick. He was hurt there for a while wasn't he?  He be a lot better  this year. Now with that do you think they will play at Fox Cities? 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on January 18, 2008, 07:45:58 pm


Who from NE is not on the 08 teams now that will be there at the end of the year?  Who knows they may end up champs.  Maybe there is a NE slight.   :D
Now that's an interesting thought. Who are  the best in the region by position. If their teams are in contention nationally at the end of the year then they should be on that list.
That will make them more likely to be on the list for sure I think.  As good as some of these players are I definitely think that they are surrounded by quality in order for them to even have a chance to do what they do.
What team(s) from NE are going to Appleton in May?  If so who do you think their All America player(s) will be from that team.   
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on January 18, 2008, 07:52:19 pm
I think there will be a correlation between the number of all americans and appearing in the finals but I think that correlation would be much stronger when looking at the all american list at the end of the year than it would be when looking at the pre season all american list.

The pre season list is based on what you did last year and what people expect you to do this year.
The post season list is based on what people actually did this year.
I agree Paul, much easier to pick the AA players at the end of the year.
Not sure I agree with the preseason list is based on what you did last year though.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on January 18, 2008, 07:53:43 pm
Completely off the top of my head I would rank them like this

1.  ECSU
2.  Keene State
3.  Wheaton
4.  Middlebury
5.  Everyone else
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on January 18, 2008, 08:00:30 pm
Completely off the top of my head I would rank them like this

1.  ECSU
2.  Keene State
3.  Wheaton
4.  Middlebury
5.  Everyone else

I think the best defensive team will prevail.  I think they will all be able to hit the ball good enough.  Coaching will definitely have something to do with it, but whoever kicks the ball around the least will probably end up on top.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on January 18, 2008, 09:18:24 pm
I think the best defensive team out of that mix has to be KSC, based on last year and who's coming back. If Castillo finds his hands all bets are off.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on January 19, 2008, 11:02:45 am
I think the best defensive team out of that mix has to be KSC, based on last year and who's coming back. If Castillo finds his hands all bets are off.

They do have an excellent fielding team.  Pitching is part of defense to me.  If KSC pitching staff has the kind of year many think they will you may be right.  The LEC is going to be tough this year.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on January 20, 2008, 10:30:52 am
Trinity should definitely be a contender for the regional championship. They are very, very good. They basically lost nothing from last year and added a top pitching transfer from UVM.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on January 20, 2008, 04:55:36 pm
Who is the transfer from UVM?  Can you tell us some more?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on January 20, 2008, 10:07:20 pm
I don't know who it is. 2nd hand info. Interesting thing is that Chandler Barnard transfered to Lubbok Christian, but it is reported that he is coming back for the 2nd semester. Also, Jon Rappaport and Tim Kiely graduated last year, but both have a year of eligibility left and will return as post graduates.

Take those 3 guys away and Trinity is definitely not a regional contender. But with them and the pitcher from UVM, they should be very good.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2008, 10:24:45 pm
I don't know who it is. 2nd hand info. Interesting thing is that Chandler Barnard transfered to Lubbock Christian, but it is reported that he is coming back for the 2nd semester. Also, Jon Rappaport and Tim Kiely graduated last year, but both have a year of eligibility left and will return as post graduates.

Take those 3 guys away and Trinity is definitely not a regional contender. But with them and the pitcher from UVM, they should be very good.
No Chandler Barnard (http://www.lcuchaps.com/roster.aspx?cat=mensbaseball) on the LCU roster.  Lubbock Christian is NAIA-1 (Sooner AC), and I think that he would be eligible this season
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 20, 2008, 11:05:06 pm
Who is the transfer from UVM?  Can you tell us some more?

Trinity did not report any transfers in a preseason questionaire they submitted to d3baseball.com
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on January 21, 2008, 08:39:00 am
Ralph,
Barnard left after his junior year but I've heard he has come back to Trinity.
Very odd story, and somewhat shocking that Trinity would admit him back. Don't think that would happen at too many NESCAC schools.

Jim,
When was the questionnaire submitted? Like I said, 2nd hand info, but pretty solid source. We'll see when they hit the field.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: DougiesGoinDeep on January 21, 2008, 11:44:18 am
The transfer that Trinity got was former UVM pitcher Jeremiah Bayer. He pitched for North Adams this summer in the NECBL. Barnard is back as well.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on January 21, 2008, 12:15:47 pm
Trinity is loaded with pitching this year. Kiely, Rap, Barnard, Regan, McGrath, Anderson, and Bayer would probably all be rotation guys at every other NESCAC school.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 21, 2008, 01:46:23 pm
Jim,
When was the questionnaire submitted? Like I said, 2nd hand info, but pretty solid source. We'll see when they hit the field.

Barnard is listed as a returning player, not a transfer.

Tim Bourdon (All-New England in 2006) will likely replace Ben Silvanic.   Trinity will be a force to contend with in 2008

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on January 21, 2008, 02:49:24 pm
Barnard left Trinity and transferred to Lubbock Christian, but he left LC and transferred back to Trinity. Not sure how he should be listed, but he's definitely back at TC. Bayer is the transfer student I was talking about.

Bourdon will have a tough time cracking into that lineup.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on January 22, 2008, 01:05:03 pm
Good to see New England get some national attention with d3 top 25.  New England this year will be a tough place to play with Eastern CT, Trinity, Wheaton, Keene State, among some of the others.  I know its early but who is the best preseason new-england team.  My own personal thoughts go something like this

1. Eastern CT
2. Keene State
3. Trinity
4. Wheaton

Those are just based off what i know about the teams.  The LEC is the best conferance in New England bar far just look at last years regional where two LEC teams battled at the end.  Trinity has a murders row of pitching and Wheaton is well Wheaton.  Should be a great year in New England.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: DougiesGoinDeep on January 22, 2008, 02:42:58 pm
Just looked at something pretty interesting...

KSC has 4 returning All-LEC players including 3/4 of their infield.
ECSU also has 4 including All-American Gilblair
USM only has 1
Wheaton has 3 All-NEWMAC players coming back
Trinity has 8, including every position player besides 3B and CF (LEC obviously a better league then the NESCAC, still interesting though)

Should be an exciting spring
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on January 22, 2008, 04:32:29 pm
Here are some more numbers to back up what Dougie just posted...

Team (Percent of Hits From Underclassman Last Year--Percent of Innings Pitched From Underclassman Last Year)
Keene State (85%--66%)
Eastern Connecticut (69%--72%)
Wheaton (74%--88%)
Trinity (90%--64%)


*I am assuming all underclassman are coming back.  I am pretty sure I took LaVargna off the list for ECSU
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on January 22, 2008, 07:21:19 pm
I wouldn't say the LEC is that much better than the NESCAC. Yes, ECSU and Keene St. are probably 1 and 2 in the NE this year, but Williams, Trinity, and Middlebury are all very strong. Trinity didn't even make the league playoffs and they almost won the NY regional last year.

I'd also watch out for Babson this year. They were strong last year and return a lot of their top players.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on January 23, 2008, 12:49:39 am
 You are right Babson is always  a very good team that is capable of winning a lot of games.  Another team that has wild card implications is Southern Maine.  Traditionally Flaherty's warriors are very good but over the last two or three years have not enjoyed thier usual success.  they mash with the best of them but thier pitching has seemed to hurt them ever since fairchild went on to the minors with the Astros.  They have the tall lefty Henry, and the righty Burleson, who in my humble opinion is more of a CF than a staff ace.   I think thier question mark will be the pitching. 

As far as the NESCAC vs LEC debate they are both very good conferances but i will take Eastern CT, Southern Maine, and Keene over Trinity, Williams and Middlebury.  However the bottom of the NESCAC may be more competitive than say Western CT or Dartmouth who are both just terrible right now
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on January 23, 2008, 06:49:05 am
Funny...I was going to say that the bottom of the NESCAC is awful.
Bates, Colby, and Hamilton are just as bad if not worse than the LEC bottom feeders.

I think the top of the LEC is obviously stronger, but the NESCAC does have alot of depth. Amherst, Bowdoin, Tufts, Middlebury, Trinity, and Williams have all been to the NCAAs in the last 5 years.

I'd like to see the NESCAC scrap the 2 divisions and have everybody play a doubleheader against eachother like they do in the LEC.

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on January 23, 2008, 11:43:26 am
Boston im not that familiar with the NESCAC you play a DH with everyone in your division and one with the other division?  If they did play a DH with everyone that would make up 18 conferance games.  Minus the 40 you are allowed to have that leaves 22.  Now take the average 10 games out of everyones southern trip, and that leaves 12 out of conferance games for the NESCAC schools to play.  Maybe coaches are hestitant for that reason i dont know, i dont know that much about the NESCAC.  It would be nice to see a LEC /NESCAC challange where on one sunday or midweek day schools from both leagues play each other.  WOuld be some great matchups for that day!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on January 23, 2008, 11:57:32 am
At this point, the NESCAC teams only play 12 league games. They play the other teams in their division 3 times. Friday 9 inning, Saturday 7 and 9 DH. Plus, they play a crossover doubleheader and sometimes more games with teams in the other division.

There are 6 weekends during the season.

If the NESCAC went to a DH with every team format and gave each team a travel partner, playing 2 DHs a weekend would be doable. NESCAC teams never play 40 regular season games because the league only allows 23 games after March break. Most NESCAC teams play 33-36 games. Doing it my way makes sense, but it will never happen because of the Holier Than Thou attitude of NESCAC administrators when it comes to sports. They'd claim it was too much travel and time away from studies...

Bowdoin plays So. Maine every year. Amherst plays Keene St. Trinity plays Western and Eastern and Tufts plays Eastern and UMassDartmouth, so there are plenty of good interleague games. The Tufts-Eastern game from last year was one of the best games in Div. III NE.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on January 23, 2008, 07:13:08 pm
thanks for the info Boston
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: LEC Fan on January 26, 2008, 12:29:31 am
hey just heard some second hand info. What happened @ Eastern?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: DougiesGoinDeep on February 04, 2008, 10:28:37 am
Anyone have any info on summer league signings? Did Gilblair signed with a cape league team?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on February 05, 2008, 05:37:39 pm
Anyone have any info on summer league signings? Did Gilblair signed with a cape league team?

No
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: stevejohnson on March 04, 2008, 12:59:22 pm
Anyone have and news on Shawn Gilblair.  I heard a rumor from an Eastern source that he didn't play in their opening game against Kean because of a failed drug test.  I'm wondering if there is any truth to this rumor. 

If not, can anyone give some info on why he was held back.  He didn't pitch and didn't DH.  That seems like he must be hurt or suspended.  I can't think of any other reason to keep an All-American out of the line-up against the defending national champion.  I remember he had some injury issues at the end of last year, but the ECSU website says he is scheduled to pitch on Wednesday. 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on March 04, 2008, 01:33:56 pm
I don't know any information about who did or did not play for eastern yesterday but to post in a public forum that you heard a "rumor" that a college kid failed a drug test is irresponsible (in my opinion) 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: stevejohnson on March 04, 2008, 02:21:07 pm
You're probably right about the scope of my previous post.  I was just trying to get to the bottom of his absence from the line-up.  If anyone has info on that, it would be appreciated. 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on March 04, 2008, 03:53:31 pm
Anybody have any early seasons games they are interested in coming up?

With many teams getting into action this weekend there are some good battles coming up.  Any in particular people are looking forward to?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on March 04, 2008, 11:17:26 pm
Im looking forward to Keene and College of New Jersey coming up. A double header against a quality team like that will determine how signifigant losing two top pitchers in Stromgren and Young will be, and we will see how good Keenes offense will be.  Losing only two bats out of the lineup, a quality 4 hitter and a singles guy from the bottom of the line up, keene should put some offense up this year which will be differant from a team that tends to be more pitching/defense.  Love the fact that the season is getting underway, and to answer the Gailblair question check out the LEC posting there is like a million comments on his injury
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on March 09, 2008, 10:19:17 pm
Top New England Region Conference

It is hard to argue the point that one of the traditionally deepest conferences is the Little East

How would you rank the conferences this year in terms of strength.  I do not mean necessarily who has the top team to represent in the NCAA's- but rather, top to bottom who has the top conference?

I'd like to see what other people say before I throw my opinion out there.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on March 10, 2008, 10:01:30 am
Soxfan i think that you are right that the best conferance top to bottom is the Little East in New England.  The next best conferance is the NESCAC.  And here is why i broke this down this way. 
-First the top three in the LEC of Southern Maine, Keene State, and Eastern Connecticut are teams with more talent and depth than the big three of Trinity, Williams, and Ahmerst.  Keene and Eastern last year where the last two teams in the NE regional, and essentially are bringing there whole teams back with the exception of one or two.  I think that Trinity is stacked dont get me wrong and i expect them to make a run deep into the Regionals but i think that the LEC has three stacked teams at the top, last year keene and eastern won over 30 games each where as Trinity was the only 30 game winner in the NESCAC.  Southern Maine had 27 wins and that was a disapointing season for them.

-The middle teams is where i might give the Nescac the edge over the little east.  Tufts and Bowdoin are no slouches, and they seemed to teams that are more constant that say a Rhode Island College and or a UMass Boston.  I mean Tufts finished first in the NESCAC last year regular season and thats no small feat and i would in my humble opinion put them over Bosont and Ric in the LEC. 

-The bottom of the Conferance has to go the LEC again.  I think that teams such as Plymouth, UMass Dartmouth, and Western Ct would pound the bottom of the Nescac as the bottom of the Nescac to put it lightly struggles year in and year out.  Hamiltion Colby and Bates won a combine 22 games last year, where as the bottom three of the LEC won 27 games. 

After the LEC and the Nescac i feel that the conferances top to bottom really drop off, i would put the LEC one and the NESCAC a close two, just my thoughts prove me wrong!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on March 10, 2008, 10:06:52 am
I  have the same reasoning as KSCfan on the LEast and the NESCAC, but will throw the NEWMAC into the mix.

NEWMAC: New power Wheaton with consistent programs Babson, WPI, and Springfield.
 
The NEWMAC is on the rise, but having only six teams in conference hurts them.  What Wheaton has done is truly amazing.  The program has been around for 10 years and is already a national power. 

The rest of the field should be the GNAC and the CCC are a toss up for the 4/5 spots.  The MASCAC is pretty bad, but no conference is worse than the NAC.  That is middle school level baseball being played at the bottom of those conferences.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on March 10, 2008, 05:35:22 pm
I think it is hard to argue with your top two pics.

I would go with:

LEC
NESCAC
NEWMAC
GNAC
CCC
MASCAC
NAC
NEGNAC (when it comes around it will be the worst in the nation)


I agree with you pretty much throughout.  So it kind of makes the whole discussion an agreement.  But I based mine upon the bottoms being so bad.  The bad teams from some conferences are ridiculously bad.  Some should be clubs.  However, I am glad there are so many opportunities for kids to play college baseball.  It is a great thing!  Keep on playing!

By the same token, I'd be embarassed to be the bottom of the heap for some of the conferences at the bottom of that list. 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on March 11, 2008, 09:46:30 pm
Anyone care to explain the reasoning behind the UAA tourney going on right now?  Is the conference tourney for an automatic bid?  Any 'Deis folks who care to weigh in I would love an explanation.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on March 11, 2008, 11:02:19 pm
I am guessing that they play their tournament now while the teams are on spring break and can get together in one central location.  The six teams listed on the UAA website with baseball teams are in Mass., New York, Illinois, Georgia, & Ohio. 

The six teams tells me there is no automatic bid.  You need at least 7.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on March 12, 2008, 08:54:05 pm
What does UAA stand for and is it just a southern trip showdown?  Much the same way of the Gene Cusick Classic, where it bears no significance who wins?

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Nuke LaLoosh on March 13, 2008, 12:00:56 am
The UAA stands for the University Athletic Association.

The baseball league includes Emory, Brandeis, Case Western, Rochester, Washington University, and U Chicago.

Their tournament is a round-robin format, with each team playing 6 games in 5 days. I am unsure if the winner of the tournament gets an auto bid, but I would guess that UAA teams are all Pool B bids.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2008, 12:17:02 am
The UAA stands for the University Athletic Association.

The baseball league includes Emory, Brandeis, Case Western, Rochester, Washington University, and U Chicago.

Their tournament is a round-robin format, with each team playing 6 games in 5 days. I am unsure if the winner of the tournament gets an auto bid, but I would guess that UAA teams are all Pool B bids.
The University of Chicago is an independent.  They have not been active in the UAA for years.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Nuke LaLoosh on March 13, 2008, 12:22:47 pm
Oops. You're right, this site had Chicago listed. Must have been an old one.

http://www.uaa.rochester.edu/Weekly_Sport_Updates/BB_Update.html
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ocho on March 17, 2008, 12:01:35 pm
Does anyone know if or where Bobby Cappaziello is playing ball this season. Bobby was a standout player for Hopedale High School (MA) and was on the Western New England College team last season but didn't play much. I don't see his name on Western New England's roster this year so I'm assuming he transferred. 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on March 17, 2008, 07:55:42 pm
Brandeis played to a tie in the tournament.  What does that mean?  Must not mean any bid from that.....
Title: New England Coaches
Post by: wordsmith on March 18, 2008, 07:45:40 pm
I'd like to start a discussion about New England Coaches:

Who is your favorite coach?
Who is the most under rated coach in NE?
Who is the best coach in New England?
Who is the classiest coach?

To kick this off I'll offer my thoughts:

Favorite Coach -   Ed Flaherty - Southern Maine
Most Under rated - Matt LaBrache - WNEC and Will Sanborn St. Joe's
Best Coach - Bill Thurston Amherst
Classiest Coach - Ken Howe Keene State College

Word





Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on March 19, 2008, 02:37:37 pm
I can only comment on coach howe from KSC, cause he is the only one that i really know.  I think to do what he has done to that program over the last 4 years is amazing.  Keene was a program that was floundering at best in 2004 when it went 14-23 and finished 6th in the Little East.  2005 Keene turns the corner a little and goes with a 23-14 record. 2006 31-14, tied for first reg seaon with Southern Maine in the tourny and made it to the championship round of the  tourny only to be snubbed off the regionals that year.  then last year 2007 32-15 with an LEC finals and a NE regional final to add to his resume.  I think that Coach Howe and the whole KSC staff have really picked up thier game over the last couple of years and have built a contender every year.  It is no easy task to turn things around with the type of schedule that KSC plays.  I have seen Flaherty coach, and he too is a good coach.  I mean two national titles me must be doing something right.  Having never played for him i dont know that much about him though. Really any of the coaches that word listed are great coaches and great coaches get great players to come to thier schools and thats why the teams that word listed are very good programs
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on March 19, 2008, 07:04:24 pm
When Marty Testo joined the KSC staff in 2001 the entire recruiting dynamic changed. He is the single biggest reason for their emergence onto the National stage. His connections into the Hartford, CT area via the Fiore Family and their American Legion Tourney has added a whole new level of talent to the team. He is due a Head Coaching job soon. PS he was just named Head Coach of the Keene SwampRats. A very deserving choice. Howe has also developed a better relationship with the NH High School coaches. KSC is now known as Nashua West for good reason.

Ed Flaherty is a solid coach, probably a better coach than a recruiter; he gets the best Maine talent and has some reach into the North Shore above Boston. He ventured into NH but has not been able to maintain consistency.  The days of kids outside of Maine flocking to USM are waning. KSC, WNEC, Wheaton et al are evening venturing into Maine and taking many of the kids USM may have once got.


Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on March 19, 2008, 07:53:25 pm
I agree that Marty brought a lot to the program. He brought key players from the legion team he coached and the the Nashua kids followed, and the program was off and running. Howe took care of some lingering issues and in 2005 the dynamic changed. Also the Fiore connection- The East Hartford tourney that the Fiore family ran was and probably still is the best in New England. Last year nine NH kids started on the field. This year will probably be eight. Howe is a class act. Any parent would be happy to have him mentoring his kid through College. Every kid is important to him.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on March 19, 2008, 11:08:17 pm
KSC Roster tide is turning 20 of 34 kids not from NH. And of the 14 from NH,  6 are seniors. They all came in together  and that interesting enough was Marty's last year coaching Legion Ball in NH. Next year the team's roster could see NH at second or even third in numbers of players. Interesting.

NH -14
CT - 11
MA - 6
RI - 1
VT - 1
NJ - 1
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on March 20, 2008, 06:16:26 pm
Maybe those numbers are the result of the quality of players available, rather than a conscious choice. Chevalier, Darak and LaPlante are underclassmen and there are some fine freshmen in Doyon and LaCourse. I think the NH connection will continue as long as the quality of players are there. The HS classes of 2002, 2003 and 2004 in NH had some good baseball players several of whom stayed close to home.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: DougiesGoinDeep on March 21, 2008, 06:38:22 pm
The number 19 ranked Trinity Bantams beat the number 16th ranked St. Thomas Tommies 7-2 today to move to 10-0.

Trinity starting pitcher Tim Kiely was dominant and pitched 8 innings allowing 2 runs. Trinity looks to complete a perfect Florida trip tomorrow when they take on St. Michaels.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on March 21, 2008, 08:50:46 pm
Impressive start for Trinity. They have to be the consensus #1 in the region at this point.

Keene State also swept Gustaphus Adolphus today, moving to 9-2 on their spring trip. I'm pretty sure they have the #2 spot in New England on lock right now.

Suffolk is making a case to join the top teams in the region, sweeping Southern Maine today to move to 7-2 on their trip, with their only losses coming to #8 New Jersey and the 5th-ranked team in NAIA, Dakota State. Impressive victories over Montclair State, Western New England, and two over USM make a strong case for the Rams to be in the rankings.

Here's my top 8 breakdown, based mostly on teams' success thus far.

1. Trinity (10-0)
2. Keene State (9-2)
3. Suffolk (7-2)
4. Curry (7-1)
5. Eastern Connecticut (5-4)
6. Wheaton (6-4)
7. Bowdoin (8-3)
8. St. Joe's (ME) (6-3)

Anybody else have rankings they'd like to put out there?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on March 22, 2008, 08:20:20 am
GNAC couldnt agree with you more. I think that right now trinity is clearly the number 1 team in ne with an almost perfect trip.  I will also take keene at 2 with a 9 and 2 trip so far.  I didnt have Curry as high though.  Here is my top 8......

1. Trinity
2. Keene State
3. Suffolk
4. Williams
5. Eastern Connecticut
6. Wheaton
7. Curry
8. Bowdoin
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on March 22, 2008, 11:34:13 am
I would go top 5 as

1.  Keene State
------Playing tough teams and winning
2.  Wheaton
------Playing the toughest schedule I have seen in a long time and coming back 6-4
3.  Trinity
------Winning but really not challenging themselves with the schedule.  I put 6-4 vs Wheaton's slate as better than 10-0 vs Trinity's.  Maybe Trinity would have been 7-3 or 8-2 against the teams that Wheaton played but we will never know.  So we are left to guess and my guess is represented in this ranking
4.  Eastern Connecticut
------Maybe this is a reputation pick but in the end they will be there.
5.  Suffolk
------4-1 in 5 games against top notch competition on their trip.   7-2 overall
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on March 22, 2008, 01:04:55 pm
If Keene beats Williams, a nemesis in every sport it seems, and comes back 10-2 then they have to be #1. Keene coaches has to be concerned about the pitching giving up so many runs. Trinity seems to pick their schedule not to test the team but to garner wins. Eastern will be in the top five at the end. Wheaton is so disciplined and well coached they will continue to win. Southern Maine is a surprise losing their first three.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on March 23, 2008, 08:48:42 am
I've ripped Trinity in the past for their schedule, but this year, they are playing some solid teams. St. Mary's, Babson, and Denison are solid wins, and the St. Thomas win is clearly impressive.

Trinity's resume may not be that great, but their talent is. They've got the pitching depth to win it all.

Solid trips for other NESCAC teams. Williams beat Keene St., Brockport St., and swept UMboston. Only loss is to Hopkins. Bowdoin went 8-3 although their schedule was not tough. Most suprisingly, Tufts is 6-4 with wins over ranked NC Wesleyan and Greensboro. Looks like their freshmen class is for real.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on March 23, 2008, 06:01:59 pm
Keene State has to be concerned about their pitching staff. They gave up a lot of runs in Ariz. Their bats won several games with their bats (2 vs CNJ & 1 vs Johns Hopkins); the offense scored 124 runs in 12 games.

Phil Mabey is considered a real key to the staff and he had a tough trip. In his 2 starts his line was:

Innings            Hits             E. Runs              BB          K's
----------          ------            ----------             ----         -----
  8.0                 13                  13                   5            2

If KSC wants to be a participant on the national stage they'll have to improve the staff performance. 

My top 8 in NE:
1. Trinity
2. Williams
2. Keene State
4. Eastern Connecticut
5. Suffolk
6. Wheaton
7. Curry
8. Bowdoin

 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: 363dp on March 24, 2008, 11:28:01 am
Very early for a top 10, 8 or 5, so here goes.

Keene - beat some top teams
Williams - beat Keene
Trinity - soft schedule so far, need a sweep of Bowdoin to stay up here
Wheaton - three great outings by starting pitcher since back in New England
WNEC - I know what their record is and I know how good their starting pitching is
Eastern - Yes they have some pitching of their own, what about Defense
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on March 24, 2008, 01:10:42 pm
WNEC? Huh?

Anderson's good, and Pizzoferrato's injured. After those two, they have no arms.

They also got spanked by Suffolk in Arizona 14-2.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on March 25, 2008, 08:56:26 am
I wouldn't be too worried about KSC's pitching yet.  After hitting inside for a month or two, the baseball looks gigantic.  Once all these teams get back up north and start pitching in cold weather the offensive explosions will slow some. 

That reason is exactly what makes Trinity so tough this year.  They have been pitching and hitting in FL.

GNAC, WNEC may not be Top 10 material as of now, but Pizzoferrato and Anderson can beat anyone.  Not a lot of depth, but never count out two studs at the front of a rotation.

Nice DH today in Arizona.  A struggling So Maine takes on a surging Williams.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on March 26, 2008, 11:19:14 pm
Good game for thursday, Keene at babson.  If anyone wants to listen to it Keene is broadcasting it over the internet.  Just audio no video, but the play by play guy for keene(adam Skebeck) does a very nice job.  Enjoyed him listening to the Arizona trip with him.  Its free to listen to, go to the keene state athletics pages and click on the blue teamline logo right under the rotating picture.  Then pick baseball out of the list and you are good.  Just throwing it out there for anyone that wants to check it out.  WHy dont more teams around the area do this kind of thing? i love it
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on March 31, 2008, 11:11:26 am
Trinity stays perfect at 15-0 are they the number 1 team in the nation?????? and does anyone want to throw out another regional rankings after this week? 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: DougiesGoinDeep on March 31, 2008, 11:32:37 am
KSC Fan,

No team in New England can even compare to the strength of Trinity's pitching staff. Kiely is without a doubt the best pitcher in New England, and Chandler Barnard, Mike Regan and Jeremiah Bayer all held a good hitting Bowdoin team to 2 runs in 3 games. Trinity should definitely be considered as a #1 team.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on March 31, 2008, 11:34:09 am
I wouldn't say Kiely is the best pitcher in New England without a doubt. Personally I'd put Shawn Gilblair ahead of him pretty easily.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on March 31, 2008, 11:46:04 am
Trinity stays perfect at 15-0 are they the number 1 team in the nation?????? and does anyone want to throw out another regional rankings after this week? 

OK here are my NE Rankings:

1) Trinity
2) Wheaton
3) Keene State
4) Williams
5) Eastern Connecticut
6) Suffolk
7) So. Maine
8 -Salem State

In the weeds - WNEC, Roger Williams, Rhode Island College, Curry
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on March 31, 2008, 11:54:13 am
Trin is the clear cut #1 right now, and with Gilblair banged up Kiely is the best pitcher in the region right now.  Williams beat KSC head-to-head already and has a similar record.  Should be #3 right now.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on March 31, 2008, 11:55:17 am
Now that I think about it, there's a few other arms I might take over Kiely, also. Chris McDonough from Wheaton could be considered the top arm in the region, as could Chris Anderson WNEC. Sam Whelan from Babson pitched in the Cape last summer, he could be up there.

Point is, there's a lot of arms in this region, and it's pretty hard to say one of them is the best "without a doubt." It's not like there's a Jonah Bayliss or Ryan DiPietro in the region this year.

Anyway, on to my regional top 8.

1. Trinity (15-0)
2. Wheaton (14-4)
3. Keene State (12-4)
4. Williams (12-4)
5. Curry (10-1)
6. Suffolk (12-4)
7. Eastern CT (9-7)
8. Babson (10-6)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on March 31, 2008, 11:59:34 am
But KSC's 2 wins over College of NJ - their only 2 losses, and a quality win over Johns Hopkins out-weigh, at least in my mind and my poll, the single loss to Williams.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on March 31, 2008, 02:06:25 pm
Lack of research on my part.  I did not realize that Keene had wins over TCNJ and Hopkins.  My regional top 8 would mirror the others mentioned.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on March 31, 2008, 02:28:38 pm
People claim that Trinity has played a soft schedule, but still 15 and 0 is 15 and 0 and worthy of the top spot in New England.  As for the rest of the teams i have them stacked up like this

1. Trinity 15 and 0 says it all
2. Keene State- Wins over Eastern(Gilblair pitched) 2 over NJ and a win over Hopkins, plus Babson played toughest schedule over anyone in New England to this point and still 12-4
3. Wheaton- 14-4 but i still think Keene has better quality wins, and we will see when wheaton and keene play head to head
4. Williams- Wins over Keene and a weekend sweep, these boys might be right there with trinity at the head of the Nescac
5. Eastern CT - Melvin and Gilblair reek of Ortiz and Manny, plus Esposito has seemed to regain his old form.  I know 9-7 but at the end of the year you know they will be there
6. Curry 10 and 1 is good but not impressed with this team.  Weak conference, no real "quality" wins, will see how good they are tomorrow at babson.
7. Suffolk 9-4 DH sweep of ST Joes over the weekend good for resume
8.  Tie between Babson and Southern Maine.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 01, 2008, 01:26:12 pm
Eye see the new National Poll is out. Keene State goes 3-1 last week with quality wins over the Evil Empire and their ace Gilblair, and Babson; with a loss to TEE.

In the Poll KSC dropped from 20 to 22--> Interesting.

Any thoughts from the rest of you?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on April 01, 2008, 01:58:25 pm
You have to look at the teams who moved in front of them and how they faired. Otterbein had a 7-0 week and Pinoma-Pitzer (21-4) moved above KSC. It may not be fair, but it's tough to move up unless someone above them self destructs.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 05, 2008, 07:38:55 pm
Wheaton rallies to beat USM.

At Norton, Mass.                                             R  H  E
Southern Maine  (11-5)  >:( :(    000  130  010    5  8  3
Wheaton  (17-4)             :D ;D   100  002  03X     6  7  0
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 06, 2008, 09:41:48 pm
keene amherst this week on tuesday should be a great game
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 14, 2008, 03:02:58 pm
Eye See we are now half way through April. Things are taking shape and the cream is starting to rise to the top.

Some keys questions yet to be answered.
 1) Is Trinity really THAT GOOD??!!
 2) Who is the Big Dog in the Little East? Are Keene State and RIC really the teams to beat this year?
 3) Who is better in the NEWMAC? Babson or Wheaton?
 4) WNEC and USM are on the prowl - how good are they?
 5) Is ECONN in a rebuilding year or will they show-up at the end like sooooo many years in the past?
 6) Endicott, Roger Williams, Suffolk, pretenders or contenders

My top 8 in the New England Region for Mid-April:
1. Trinity
2. Wheaton
3. Keene State
4. USM
5. Babson
6. RIC
7. Suffolk
8. WNEC
Honorable Mention: Endicott, Williams (Roger that is)


Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on April 14, 2008, 09:04:21 pm
Amherst needs to be in there...tied ECSU, beat KSC, and swept Williams...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 14, 2008, 09:19:51 pm
Word good new england ranking agree with them except i had amherst in there instead of suffolk but still very good analysis and questions
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 14, 2008, 09:48:36 pm
Word good new england ranking agree with them except i had amherst in there instead of suffolk but still very good analysis and questions

Perhaps I overlooked Amherst; maybe next week.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 15, 2008, 10:40:54 am
Golly Gosh, are the National Pollsters missing the Maniacs from Southern Maine? Not a single vote??? :o :o


Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: 363dp on April 16, 2008, 06:16:10 pm
Are they snubbing or do they not consider the hard hitting, thin pitching, very questionable defense ,LEC , as much as many from the northeast do. They are not all homers!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 16, 2008, 06:41:36 pm
Are they snubbing or do they not consider the hard hitting, thin pitching, very questionable defense ,LEC , as much as many from the northeast do. They are not all homers!
It seems to me that the NE regional last year came down to 2 LEC teams. They may stumble at the start but usually finish strong. USM has bee playing good BB as has 21-7 RIC who is truly overlooked.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 16, 2008, 06:51:48 pm
Are they snubbing or do they not consider the hard hitting, thin pitching, very questionable defense ,LEC , as much as many from the northeast do. They are not all homers!
It seems to me that the NE regional last year came down to 2 LEC teams. They may stumble at the start but usually finish strong. USM has bee playing good BB as has 21-7 RIC who is truly overlooked.
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This is the site where we in the Northeast and in New England in particular snipe and blast each other all season long, then turn around and root for the New England team in the World Series. Which by the way has been won several times by LEC Teams, like 7 in the past 17 years.

So, Dear 363dp dude, unless you are from New England take your smack elsewhere, and whilst you go check in with The College of New Jersey and Johns Hopkins about the LEC.

Word
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jcon8958 on April 16, 2008, 07:00:36 pm
LEC is the best division in the country and those are the fact so i agree with wordsmith take a walk pal
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 16, 2008, 07:27:35 pm
LEC is the best division in the country and those are the fact so i agree with wordsmith take a walk pal

Yea !!! 363 dp,  How do you like them apples!  >:( Don't  you talk smack to my LEC homeys, cause by National Tournament time, you will for shure find one of our Teams in the big show.

I like that , you guys were like flies on you know what when some bone head started his smack.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: 363dp on April 16, 2008, 10:17:17 pm
Boys, boys, boys....  I know of your great LEC teams. EConn last year in Appleton, 2 and BBG, year before think they beat NCW to go 1-2, though not the winners of the NE regional. All I was saying was the LEC is   loaded with teams that can hit, but they are not loaded with pitching or teams that play great defense. Sorry that bothers you so much. Am I that far off? And I do live in New England, so I might write again.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 16, 2008, 10:47:36 pm
363dp if you really do live in new england come start blogging with the big boys, we are like a family over on the lec board.  We will bash the crap out of each other but as soon as someone outside the blogging family starts in we will jump to the rescue for each other.  so if you are feeling frisky come on in to the lec page cause like my fellow bloggers said you will find an LEC team in appleton this year and that my friend is the facts jack
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 17, 2008, 12:55:39 pm
Boys, boys, boys....  I know of your great LEC teams. EConn last year in Appleton, 2 and BBG, year before think they beat NCW to go 1-2, though not the winners of the NE regional. All I was saying was the LEC is   loaded with teams that can hit, but they are not loaded with pitching or teams that play great defense. Sorry that bothers you so much. Am I that far off? And I do live in New England, so I might write again.

OK 363pd, I admit that defense is very important, ( I always complain about ECSU defense), next to good piching and hitting, especially if you want the D-III National Championship trophy.
But the likes of Ryan DiPietro, (Royals), Joey Serfass, (Mets), Tip Fairchild, and a few others I most likely missed, illustrate some reasonably good pitching talent in NE, especially since we cannot play baseball in this region 365 days a year like other Conference teams.  And as the wordsmithmyster previously stated, 7 D-III CWS Championships/17 yrs are not bad, with LEC teams in the CES many more, so there has been a pretty good balance of the 3 diciplines those years. In fact I would say the 1998 ECSU D-III CWS championship team, may have been one of the best D-III teams ever, and could have kicked a lot of D-I and D-II teams rear-ends.

 I seem to remember only WIAC and maybe OAC or NJIAC have more D-III CWS Championships, UW Oshkosh, Marietta College, and College of NJ being a cases in point.

Please come join the fun at the LEC website
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 17, 2008, 07:36:13 pm
OK New England D-III fans: Where are the 5 Star Match-ups this weekend. What games are you excited about? Weather looks solid, let's play 2.

My 5 Star Games:

LEC
TEE vs. Quahogs (EConn vs RIC)
SwampRats vs Chowdas (KSC vs UMB)


NESCAC
3 men I admire the Most vs daBrains (Trinity vs Tufts)
Wheaton vs Brandeis (Dah!)

Wheaton vs So. Maniacs

How about your list?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 17, 2008, 09:02:47 pm
Word,
 I like your choices. Eastern needs to win to maintain respectability, RIC has to win to prove they are for real, a split is useless to both. (other than standings, i mean in the ubermensch).
A win for USM over Wheaton is important because it will diminish KSC's win later over Wheaton and may impact the At-large bid.
Keene needs to sweep this weekend to verify they are a NATIONAL power, capable of dispatching lowly neighbors. Unfortunately good weather is forecast for Keene so the swamp should not be a factor.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: 363dp on April 17, 2008, 10:02:31 pm
I know you guys like to talk about the past, all the WS titles, so could you tell me the last time USM beat  "the Wheaties" ? I think there has only been 2 close games in the past 5 years. Starting to think 2 NEWMAC teams (Babson and Wheaton) might be better than any 2 LEC teams.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 18, 2008, 08:35:31 am
I know you guys like to talk about the past, all the WS titles, so could you tell me the last time USM beat  "the Wheaties" ? I think there has only been 2 close games in the past 5 years. Starting to think 2 NEWMAC teams (Babson and Wheaton) might be better than any 2 LEC teams.

OK let's talk about the Wheaties vs Keene State and vs TEE over the past 2-3 years. I believe that coupled with the USM record tells a more accurate story.  :o :o :D

And one other think about the Wheaties--> how did ol'ErictheRed let Bryan "Dup" get away?



Word
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Old Spartan on April 18, 2008, 09:02:32 am
Word:

please explain your characterization of the Trinity/Tufts game as the Most vs daBrain.

I think I understand the first reference, but no the Chicago oriented cooment on Tufts.

Do you think the Jumbos are coached by Ditka?

Sincerely,
Not smart enough to understand you, but wishing I was in Boston this weekend.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 18, 2008, 09:54:33 am
363dp come on, if you are going to post on this board you better do your research.  Your all mighty wheaties have gotten smoked by the top two LEC teams (Eastern, and Keene) over the last couple of years.  Last year Keene blew  a ninth inning save against them and turn around and not only beat the all mighty wheaton once, but twice to send them and thier grossly overrated buts back to the NEMWAC conferance.  And that was Keene's first trip to the regionals.  Wheaton was suppoused to have the big game experiance from the year before when they lost in the National Championship game.  PLease dont try and tell the NE board that they are better cause they have had some success over Southern Maine.  I understand that two years ago they beat southern maine to go the world series, but against keene and eastern not so much.  Wheaton does not play the schedule that LEC teams do.  All sat dh's in the LEC feel like they are being played on the Cape in the Regionals.  You dont get that in the Nobody Even Might Want to Actaully Care about this conferance (I tried word, not the best smith but a try)



As for the big games this weekend i think that word hit it on the head.  RIC vs Eastern, and Southern Maine vs Wheaton should both be great games.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 18, 2008, 11:42:52 am
I know you guys like to talk about the past, all the WS titles, so could you tell me the last time USM beat  "the Wheaties" ? I think there has only been 2 close games in the past 5 years. Starting to think 2 NEWMAC teams (Babson and Wheaton) might be better than any 2 LEC teams.

363dp, I presume you are not one of these guys who takes the " don't confuse me with the facts" attitude.

Well, here are the facts re ECSU vs Babbleson and the Wheaties

                      ECSU       Babbleson              ECSU           Wheaties
2005                  7               3                          5                     3
2006                15               6                          8                     0
2007                  2               4                          6                     7  ( 11 innings)
2008                16               4                          to be determined

Now what was your comment re NEWMAC ( is this Mickey D's new dogmeat sandwich??) vs LEC????????????
                 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 18, 2008, 02:05:42 pm
Word:

please explain your characterization of the Trinity/Tufts game as the Most vs daBrain.

I think I understand the first reference, but no the Chicago oriented cooment on Tufts.

Do you think the Jumbos are coached by Ditka?

Sincerely,
Not smart enough to understand you, but wishing I was in Boston this weekend.

I think you need an IQ of about 275 to get into Tufts. Thus daBrains
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 18, 2008, 02:25:56 pm
363dp come on, if you are going to post on this board you better do your research.  Your all mighty wheaties have gotten smoked by the top two LEC teams (Eastern, and Keene) over the last couple of years.  Last year Keene blew  a ninth inning save against them and turn around and not only beat the all mighty wheaton once, but twice to send them and thier grossly overrated buts back to the NEMWAC conferance.  And that was Keene's first trip to the regionals.  Wheaton was suppoused to have the big game experiance from the year before when they lost in the National Championship game.  PLease dont try and tell the NE board that they are better cause they have had some success over Southern Maine.  I understand that two years ago they beat southern maine to go the world series, but against keene and eastern not so much.  Wheaton does not play the schedule that LEC teams do.  All sat dh's in the LEC feel like they are being played on the Cape in the Regionals.  You dont get that in the Nobody Even Might Want to Actaully Care about this conferance (I tried word, not the best smith but a try)


As for the big games this weekend i think that word hit it on the head.  RIC vs Eastern, and Southern Maine vs Wheaton should both be great games.

KSCFan and Word,

Cannot argue with your assessment.
Got to believe Coach Holywater will have Jags and Espo going.  KSCfan , your right, Eastern Cantmakethecut State is going to have to sweep RIC to gain the repsect and momnetum to win the LEC Tourney
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: santeezy06 on April 18, 2008, 03:37:26 pm
I like your choices. Eastern needs to win to maintain respectability, RIC has to win to prove they are for real, a split is useless to both.

TEE will get some help this weekend with 3 of RIC'S key players being out to take a police exam in RI for the first game. It will show how tough this RIC squad really is. Idon't think a split will deminish anything RIC has done this year though. They still will be a tough team to contend with.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 18, 2008, 03:57:32 pm
I like your choices. Eastern needs to win to maintain respectability, RIC has to win to prove they are for real, a split is useless to both.

TEE will get some help this weekend with 3 of RIC'S key players being out to take a police exam in RI for the first game. It will show how tough this RIC squad really is. Idon't think a split will deminish anything RIC has done this year though. They still will be a tough team to contend with.
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Santeezy06,

That is too bad, you hope that TEE would see the full strength RIC team. Hope they pass the exam!!! :)

Good luck to the Anchormen, they are looking strong this year, and although I will be rooting for ECSU, we all will be rooting for RIC, USM, KSC, ECSU to go to the D-III CWS and show the Chapmans, Woosters, Cortland St's or Salisbury's and U Texas Tyler's a thing or two.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on April 18, 2008, 04:52:52 pm
Suffolk vs. Johnson and Wales is a big matchup tomorrow. Suffolk needs a split with JWU to win the conference outright, and if they sweep, they'll be the first team to ever run the table in the GNAC. They're currently 12-0, Johnson and Wales is 11-1. This is a big matchu
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 18, 2008, 06:54:25 pm
Suffolk vs. Johnson and Wales is a big matchup tomorrow. Suffolk needs a split with JWU to win the conference outright, and if they sweep, they'll be the first team to ever run the table in the GNAC. They're currently 12-0, Johnson and Wales is 11-1. This is a big matchu

Good one GNAC. By the way is it true Johnson and Wales use rolling pins instead of bats when they hit, or are not all the students in the Culinary Arts Program? ;D

Word
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jcon8958 on April 18, 2008, 09:05:41 pm
Can we just 363pd off this board because year in and year out wheaton is one of the most overrated tesams around yah they finish 2nd in the series a few years ago but if you put them in the LEC they will be lucky to get 4th they dont have the pitching depth to hang with the aces of the LEC.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: 363dp on April 18, 2008, 09:28:23 pm
What a battle!  Out num(b)bered. Let's go.

Word, I know from reading your posts you know your stuff! Not only Dupes (NE Player of the year) but Pat O'Connor,Bryant and Mike Direda, Assumption, have moved on and are missed. But word Wheaton took 2 from TEE last year, first sweep ever.

Con man, not the pitching depth of the LEC teams.......please. Ask word, Wheatons pitching depth will match up with TEE and surpass all other LEC teams over the past few years.

KFAN "smoked by the top lec teams over the past few years" better check the records before you say to much.

Also KFAN, "Wheaton does not play the schedule"  There league has some soft spots as does the LEC, but Wheatons schedule is tough like TEE and Keene, much more differcult than the mess boston.

Alum, you missed the other game last year, a 2-1 LYON killing at mansfield, a great game with much fan participation.

Have a great weekend , hope to see you at the park.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 18, 2008, 10:02:23 pm
What a battle!  Out num(b)bered. Let's go.

Word, I know from reading your posts you know your stuff! Not only Dupes (NE Player of the year) but Pat O'Connor,Bryant and Mike Direda, Assumption, have moved on and are missed. But word Wheaton took 2 from TEE last year, first sweep ever.

Con man, not the pitching depth of the LEC teams.......please. Ask word, Wheatons pitching depth will match up with TEE and surpass all other LEC teams over the past few years.

KFAN "smoked by the top lec teams over the past few years" better check the records before you say to much.

Also KFAN, "Wheaton does not play the schedule"  There league has some soft spots as does the LEC, but Wheatons schedule is tough like TEE and Keene, much more differcult than the mess boston.

Alum, you missed the other game last year, a 2-1 LYON killing at mansfield, a great game with much fan participation.

Have a great weekend , hope to see you at the park.


363dp

I stand corrected

One of those ECSU defensive lapses

Score by Innings                                R  H  E
-------------------------------------------
Wheaton College      011 000 000 -   2  5  1
Eastern Connecticut  001 000 000 -  1  7  3
-------------------------------------------


Wheaton College (MA)   IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
Chris McDonough.....  3.2  5  1  1  1  4 15 16
Jared Barnes........  2.0  2  0  0  2  1  8 10
Brian Hughes........  1.1  0  0  0  1  1  4  5
Keith Pescosolido...  1.0  0  0  0  0  1  3  3
Josh Simmons........  0.0  0  0  0  2  0  0  2
Pat Martin..........  1.0  0  0  0  0  0  2  3

Eastern Conn        IP    H  R ER BB SO AB BF
-----------------------------------------------
Joe Esposito........  6.0  3  2  0    4   5  21 28
Justin Davis........   3.0  2  0  0    0   1  12 12
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 18, 2008, 10:14:14 pm
363pd,

I admit Wheaton has come up with a very good program over the last 3 years.

now it's my turn to wash my mouth out with pine tar  ::)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 19, 2008, 07:00:28 pm
363dp when i smoked i didnt mean the scores of the game but rather wheaton got swept out of the Regionals and should of lost the regular season game to keene.  I think that if you put wheaton in the LEC they would easily be a top  team, but there is no way that the NEWMAC puts up the fight that the LEC team does.  By all means i think that Wheaton is clearly one of the top teams of New England, and i know for a fact that wheaton would pound ujoke boston into the ground, much like did Keene did to them today.  But Wheaton can still be summed up in 2 words OVER  RATED
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 20, 2008, 03:05:34 am
Looking forward to wheaton and southern maine today, is it on webcast or the webradio at all cause i would like to watch it and or listen to the game
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on April 20, 2008, 05:51:06 am
Looking forward to wheaton and southern maine today, is it on webcast or the webradio at all cause i would like to watch it and or listen to the game


http://www.usm.maine.edu/~jkessler/athletics/

This should work, all home games are on the web via Radio...I must warn you though, the announcer is a homer but it gets the job done if you want to listen to the game...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: love baseball on April 20, 2008, 02:16:11 pm
In regards to the NEWMAC, how do you guys feel about Babson? NEWMAC regular reason champions, 25-8, 11-1 in conference. Seemed like they kind of got the shaft for an at-large bid last year. This year they seem to be making a strong push.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 20, 2008, 02:27:28 pm
Looking forward to wheaton and southern maine today, is it on webcast or the webradio at all cause i would like to watch it and or listen to the game


http://www.usm.maine.edu/~jkessler/athletics/

This should work, all home games are on the web via Radio...I must warn you though, the announcer is a homer but it gets the job done if you want to listen to the game...


Hockyfan,

 Listening to Wheaton/USM game.

3-0 Wheaton at mid 6th inn.

Have to commend you, thanks for posting the USM stream for this afternoon's game.   The USM announcers is a homer, as he should, but orders of magnitude better that the ECSU announcers.  Exciting to listen  to this afternoons game.  What a difference to listen to someone who is competent and is passionate for his team  ;D
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dubbc on April 20, 2008, 02:29:29 pm
Hey guys been a big fan of the board for a while but never put in my input until now. Hope it's welcomed.
I find it hard to believe that someone could call wheaton overrated. (yes one word) After checking the numbers wheaton is 20-5 vs the little east since 2005.  Those numbers don't lie.  The little east is clearly a deeper conference than the NEWMAC but Wheaton can't be faulted for that because they win it every year.  In that same period of time Wheaton has a record of 109-35 while losing in a regional final, national final and regional semifinal.  Meanwhile Eastern whom i believe to be one of the best programs in the nation has a 104-55 record while making it to 2 world series.  Eastern and Wheaton have had numerous battles going back to the early 2000's when Eastern handed wheaton a heartbreaking lose in the regional finals.  
Keene State is an up and coming program and got on the map in a big way last year by knocking off wheaton twice down in Harwich,  but by no means are they in the class of Eastern or Wheaton yet but it seems like they are having another very strong year and should contend for another regional final but over the last 8 years wheaton and econn are the class of the northeast.
What wheaton has done this year to stay a premier program in the nation is pretty amazing after considering what they lost.  Podbelski had to replace 19 wins and almost 200 innings in his rotation and almost 700 at bats and 100 RBIs.  
Im looking forward to see how the rest of the season ends up with babson  hosting the conference tournament for the first time ever.  Babson is a very good team and could continue to give wheaton trouble.  In terms of the little east i have to give the edge to econn in the tournament.  They always seem to turn it on late in year and until someone beats them they should continue to control the tournament.
Hope everyone had a good weekend at the ball park and look forward to contributing to the board in the future.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 20, 2008, 03:02:27 pm
dubbc,

Nice job comparing and contrasting  the Wheaton program vs LEC.

I have to hand it to thier program, they have been doing a great job recruiting some of the best players in the ME/NH/MA/RI area.

Seems like starting around 2002 the program really gained straction.  What changed ?

Wheaton's record

Year   W  L  T   % 
1998 23 12 0 .657
1999 28 14 0 .667
2000 28 12 0 .700
2001 31 11 0 .738
2002 37   9 1 .798
2003 27 10 2 .720
2004 21 20 1 .512
2005 33 12 0 .733
2006 42 10 0 .808
 
Tot.  270 110 4 .708

NCAA College World Series: 2006 (2nd)
NCAA New England Regional Tournament Champions: 2006
NCAA Tournament: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006
ECAC Tournament: 1998, 1999
NEWMAC Tournament Champions: 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006
NEWMAC Regular Season Champions: 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dubbc on April 20, 2008, 04:10:35 pm
I don't think any one thing has changed.  It's just the fact the program is getting older and older.  Podbelski started the program from scratch and he deserves all the credit.  I'm glad recruiting got brought up, the types of players econn ksc and the rest of the little east can recruit a lot of the time can't even be looked at by wheaton because of the academic requirements.  It is very impressive that wheaton is consistently in the running for regional titles because of the limitations on the types of student athletes that can be recruited.

on another note it seems like the wheaton usm game was exciting.  Wheaton scores one in the 9th to tie it and wins it in the 10th.  That makes 9 in a row over southern maine, yes 9.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jcon8958 on April 20, 2008, 04:26:05 pm
I listened to the game just a great game looks like that kid schmidt is going to be a good one there at USM. Just a great game tho
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on April 20, 2008, 04:56:35 pm
I don't think any one thing has changed.  It's just the fact the program is getting older and older.  Podbelski started the program from scratch and he deserves all the credit.  I'm glad recruiting got brought up, the types of players econn ksc and the rest of the little east can recruit a lot of the time can't even be looked at by wheaton because of the academic requirements.  It is very impressive that wheaton is consistently in the running for regional titles because of the limitations on the types of student athletes that can be recruited.

on another note it seems like the wheaton usm game was exciting.  Wheaton scores one in the 9th to tie it and wins it in the 10th.  That makes 9 in a row over southern maine, yes 9.


So that game could have gone either way, 9 in a row but USM has lost 6-5 and 5-4 to Wheaton: not like that are that much better than USM....
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on April 20, 2008, 04:58:40 pm
dubbc,

.  What changed ?




Wheaton is a private school and can give better packages to incoming players, that's what changed...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on April 20, 2008, 05:02:18 pm
I listened to the game just a great game looks like that kid schmidt is going to be a good one there at USM. Just a great game tho


Schmidt pitched a great game, didn't give up a hit from the 4 th inning to the 9 inning...He is USM #3 by the way...But like I have said before USM's bullpen is terrible...It is the only thing that could keep the Huskies from winning the Little East ...It was a great game, too very good teams battling it out: it was fun to be a part of...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on April 20, 2008, 05:03:42 pm
Looking forward to wheaton and southern maine today, is it on webcast or the webradio at all cause i would like to watch it and or listen to the game


http://www.usm.maine.edu/~jkessler/athletics/

This should work, all home games are on the web via Radio...I must warn you though, the announcer is a homer but it gets the job done if you want to listen to the game...


Hockyfan,

 Listening to Wheaton/USM game.

3-0 Wheaton at mid 6th inn.

Have to commend you, thanks for posting the USM stream for this afternoon's game.   The USM announcers is a homer, as he should, but orders of magnitude better that the ECSU announcers.  Exciting to listen  to this afternoons game.  What a difference to listen to someone who is competent and is passionate for his team  ;D


I have to sit right next to him every game: sometimes he gives me a headache..)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: 363dp on April 20, 2008, 08:36:29 pm
USM/Wheaton was a great game today! Schmidt pitched a great game. Yes it could have gone either way like all games. Sunken Maine did not come through in the clutch like wheaton did. Yes you can find 3 close games in the past 5 years and 7 that were blow outs!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on April 20, 2008, 09:13:19 pm
USM/Wheaton was a great game today! Schmidt pitched a great game. Yes it could have gone either way like all games. Sunken Maine did not come through in the clutch like wheaton did. Yes you can find 3 close games in the past 5 years and 7 that were blow outs!


Why are we talking about other years???? The games this year could have gone either way just like you said...I mean did I mention the number of World Series USM has been too and they have even WON a couple...Wheaton finished 2nd once: good for them but what does that have to do with this year????
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dubbc on April 20, 2008, 09:55:39 pm
It will be interesting to see how this weekends tournament ends up.  If Babson loses i have a hard time seeing them getting an at large bid.  They have an impressive record but if you look at their schedule the only 2 key in region wins are against wheaton.  They have been beaten by econn, ksc, curry, plymouth state, and trinity.  Looking forward to it
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: nebaseball44 on April 21, 2008, 08:31:27 pm
while babson hasnt played the most difficult schedule and lacks many signature wins, they are a team coming together at the right time of the year.  11 wins in a row 2 of which are coming against wheaton a national powerhouse is nothing to look down upon.  wins against suffolk and amherst are also good wins against reputable programs.  i will be interested to see if babson does not win their conference (and say wheaton does) if they will get an at large bid.  thoughts?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 21, 2008, 09:01:59 pm
Big Game tomorrow

Trinity vs TEE

Any predictions? Word says Trinity comes up short and suffers their first defeat.

Word
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 21, 2008, 09:50:46 pm
Big Game tomorrow

Trinity vs TEE

Any predictions? Word says Trinity comes up short and suffers their first defeat.

Word

If Keily is pitching: Lights out TEE
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on April 21, 2008, 10:16:02 pm
Trin will pitch Bayer and Rappaport. Bayer is a slight tick below Kiely. Pretty damn good though.

Trin is on a different planet right now...but ECSU seems to have had little trouble with them in the past.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 22, 2008, 09:54:57 am
Big Game tomorrow

Trinity vs TEE

Any predictions? Word says Trinity comes up short and suffers their first defeat.

Word
Eastern needs this win to prove they are a contender and the enhance their atature, and they are at Home. TEE by two.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: C2islegit on April 22, 2008, 12:24:26 pm
dubbc,

Just wondering why you are so convinced that Babson would not earn an at large bid this year if they were upset in their conference tournament? They won the regular season title by going 11-1 in conference and sweeping Wheaton. They also have 25 wins with four regular season games remaining plus the tournament games. If they do reach 30 wins and don't win the NEWMAC tourney, how could the committee snub them? If you remember, last year Trinity recieved an at-large bid without even making their conference tournament, with VERY few quality wins. I have followed the NEWMAC for many years, and this is the first year I've witnessed Babson being the more talented team over Wheaton. It should be a great tourney.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on April 22, 2008, 12:58:03 pm
As of now the locks from NE for the tournament regardless of conference tourney performance should be Trinity, Keene St., Wheaton, and Babson.

Outside of the LEC teams (ECSU, USM, and possibly RIC), Amherst has the best chance to earn an at-large bid.  They have a game left with Williams, a DH vs St. Joes, and most importantly, a DH vs Trinity.  If Amherst can take a game vs Trinity and play well in the NESCAC tourney they have a legit shot at an at-large.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 22, 2008, 05:48:57 pm
This is a great year for baseball in New England. Big inter-conference games between Nescac and Newmac and Lec coming near the end of the season have implications for regional selections. All three conferences have teams peaking going into tourney time, and the weather is like spring. Holy Cows.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: C2islegit on April 22, 2008, 09:11:52 pm
Rick, I agree with your at-large predictions, and it should be interesting to see how the Little East plays out. Personally I think Keene St. will take it, and they will be the only team from the conference to make the N.E. tourney.

Kscer, I am also looking forward to seeing how these tournaments play out. A lot of teams are going into the postseason hot (Trinity, Babson, EConn, Amherst etc.) The NEWMAC tourney starts tomorrow and it will be interesting to see how Wheaton and Babson do.

Lastly, EConn just got worked by Trinity 17-2. I think it is a joke that Trinity isn't number 1 in the land. They are undefeated and beating up on powerhouses. And, EConn being a 20-11 now, should NOT be in the top 30, and currently they were according to the ABCA. Anyone know the difference between the 25 coaches in the D3baseball poll and the ABCA coaches? Let me know.

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 22, 2008, 09:26:51 pm
Trinity should be #1, but there is a prejudice against NE teams because our season's so short and what real baseball players would play in NE. Going 27-0 is a huge accomplishment.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 22, 2008, 09:31:30 pm
They are different voter bodies. In general, we keep our voters very well informed on all of our polls, D3hoops.com, D3football.com and D3baseball.com, and with the exception of the women's basketball coaches poll, we come up with different results than any other poll.

And I think we've done fairly well for ourselves in general. Obviously, with D3baseball.com's poll being new this year, it's tough to make too much of a call on our poll's track record, but we do come out every week, which helps. :)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 22, 2008, 09:35:58 pm
Rick, I agree with your at-large predictions, and it should be interesting to see how the Little East plays out. Personally I think Keene St. will take it, and they will be the only team from the conference to make the N.E. tourney.

Kscer, I am also looking forward to seeing how these tournaments play out. A lot of teams are going into the postseason hot (Trinity, Babson, EConn, Amherst etc.) The NEWMAC tourney starts tomorrow and it will be interesting to see how Wheaton and Babson do.

Lastly, EConn just got worked by Trinity 17-2. I think it is a joke that Trinity isn't number 1 in the land. They are undefeated and beating up on powerhouses. And, EConn being a 20-11 now, should NOT be in the top 30, and currently they were according to the ABCA. Anyone know the difference between the 25 coaches in the D3baseball poll and the ABCA coaches? Let me know.


Probabably because Trinity has not experienced the likes of Chapman, Carthage, Cortland State, orTexas Tyler.  They will have to earn #1 when and if they reach the D-III National Tournament, just like everyone else.

I suspect the Coaches know a bit more than you, re who should be in the top 30.

ECSU had an off night tonight and the Bantams did not see thier best pitching. besides when your all American pitcher is hurt, (Gilblair), it makes it tough to be as competitive.

Lastly, THIS SEASON IS NOY OVER YET!!!! ;)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dubbc on April 22, 2008, 11:51:41 pm
C2,
I agree with a lot of what you are saying, babson is very very good this year and seem like they might have the pitching depth for the first time to matchup with wheaton in the tournament.  Their lineup is very deep and when they are locked in they can all be very tough outs.  The biggest problem ive seen with them in a tournament type atmosphere is they tend to be very high low which we all know doesn't get your very far.
My point was that there are so many quality teams coming out of the northeast this year that in my opinion babson will have to win the NEWMACs to sure up a spot.  I certainly could be wrong though  The committee takes in region wins very seriously and it just doesn't seem they have that many of them.  Granted they could lose and then beat RIC USM and tufts and make a VERY strong case for an at large.  But you're right this is the first year in a while that going into the tournament Wheaton is not the clear cut favorite.  Should be very exciting to see how it plays out.


On another note i was very surprised on how easily Trinity handled eastern at eastern.  I wish trinity had more big in region games vs the powers to be but you can't argue with what they've done, they're clearly the favorite right now.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: C2islegit on April 23, 2008, 12:12:49 am
Thanks to all for the replies.

Just to clarify, I wasn't questioning the knowledge of the coaches voting on the polls, I was just wondering the differences in the groups of coaches from the two different polls.

ECSU, I know EConn didn't throw their front end pitching, but that was still a huge statement made by Trinity. I guess Trinity will have to earn their respect if they did make the World Series, similar to the way Wheaton earned that respect to years ago when they made the final game of the Series.

Also, I think the D3baseball poll is even more accurate than the ABCA. It's great that it comes out weekly too.

Dubbc, how do you know so much about Babson's line-up and pitching...just curious. Thanks.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on April 23, 2008, 12:20:30 am
EConn and Trin both threw mid-week guys.  It's not like Gilblair would have thrown that game anyways so don't use that excuse.  Eastern is a terrific hitting squad, but it will be next to impossible to duplicate their success from the last two seasons because their pitching and defense are clear cut weaknesses this year.  And without pitching and defense you can't win when in the tournament.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2008, 01:45:18 am
EConn and Trin both threw mid-week guys.  It's not like Gilblair would have thrown that game anyways so don't use that excuse.  Eastern is a terrific hitting squad, but it will be next to impossible to duplicate their success from the last two seasons because their pitching and defense are clear cut weaknesses this year.  And without pitching and defense you can't win when in the tournament.
The key is that you believe that both threw mid-week guys.

It is your mid-week guys who are pitching the fourth game in the double-elimination  Regionals.

The game counts in the minds of voters who are trying to figure out which team has more pitching depth to scale the lofty heights of the Top 10 or Top 5.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2008, 02:20:56 am
Trinity should be #1, but there is a prejudice against NE teams because our season's so short and what real baseball players would play in NE. Going 27-0 is a huge accomplishment.
WRONG!  There is no prejudice against northeast!  You have no grounds that make that rant!

The rolling season that is D-III baseball makes the interim polls a dramatic work in progress.  The early season is filled with South and West Region teams showing their stuff.  By mid-April (now), you are finally getting to see what the traditional powers, from the traditional areas in the north and northeast, are rolling out.

Stringing together several 5-0/6-0 weeks conveys solid bullpen depth.  In the South and West, you wait for weeks to find the hiccups and the ugly losses.  In the north and northeast, they roll like overwhelming tides.  By the time that you are seeing records of 25-3 or better from a known quantity with past playoff history or a conference with past playoff history, then you can confidently see that teams will jump dramatically.  Just being in the Top 10 means that a voter thinks that that team is going to Wisconsin.  UW-Oshkosh jumped in the polls last week.

1   Chapman (14)   28-3  603    1     West
2   Carthage (3)   26-1    569       2     Central
3   Cortland State (3)  27-3  567    4   New York
4   Salisbury (1)  36-2  546    3        South
5   Trinity (Conn.) (3)   27-0  543  5  New England
6   Johns Hopkins   27-4 472    8    Mid-Atlantic
7   Wooster   29-5 462   9               Mid-East
8   Texas-Tyler (1)   33-7 420     6     West
9   UW-Oshkosh   20-5 344    16  Midwest
10   RPI   25-4  332  10                      New York
11t   New Jersey   25-6  327    7     Mid-Atlantic
11t   Kean   27-8  327    12               Mid-Atlantic
13   St. Thomas   19-5  280     15    Midwest
14   Keene State   24-5 277     19    New England
15   Pomona-Pitzer   27-7 252    11   West
16   UW-Whitewater   18-4 247    20   Midwest

In the top 16 teams, we see all 8 regions represented.  In the last 8 seasons, since the start of the Pools, the champions have come from the Mid-Atlantic twice, the West twice, the Midwest twice, the Mid-east once and New England once.  (The last champion from the South was NCWC in 1999;  from New York, Ithaca in 1988; from the Central, I don't see one (http://www.d3baseball.com/playoffs/).)

I think that the Top 25 voters have done a great job of figuring out the teams that are having the quality years.  The top 5 are strongly positioned.  There are 57 votes between #1 and #5.  In a perfect Top 25, where #1 gets all 25 first-place votes for 625 points, and the perfect #2 gets all 25 second-place votes for 600 points, ..., #5 should get all twenty-five fifth place votes for 525 points; #1 and #5 should be 100 votes apart.  Trinity is stronger than the "perfect #5" with 543 votes.

#6 and #7 are close; then there is #8.  #9-"#12" are bunched, and #13 - #16 are grouped together.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 23, 2008, 09:37:19 am
EConn and Trin both threw mid-week guys.  It's not like Gilblair would have thrown that game anyways so don't use that excuse.  Eastern is a terrific hitting squad, but it will be next to impossible to duplicate their success from the last two seasons because their pitching and defense are clear cut weaknesses this year.  And without pitching and defense you can't win when in the tournament.
The key is that you believe that both threw mid-week guys.

It is your mid-week guys who are pitching the fourth game in the double-elimination  Regionals.

The game counts in the minds of voters who are trying to figure out which team has more pitching depth to scale the lofty heights of the Top 10 or Top 5.


Rick, Ralph,

Your absolutley right about mid week guys.  In fact Esposito pitched last years 14-3 ECSU win over Trinity.  Pitching depth and defence at the .960-.970 level, ( ECSU had a 5 error game last night) is critical for any team to be successful and advance deep into ther NCAA regional/ national tourneys.

No doubt, Trinity has a great team this year,and will have a VERY good shot at the first NESCAC D-III National  Championship and will be rooting for them if a LEC team does not get in
Must admit i was a bit frustrated last night, 1) could not get the stream off of ECSU radio, 2) a post about where ECSU should be ranked in the polls 3) the score, embarrassing  >:(
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 23, 2008, 09:52:29 am
Ralph- great post about the top 25 polls, very good information that i never knew.  I feel that the New England region this year will be very tough for any of the top three teams to win.  Right now i feel that the top three in New England are
1. Trinity
2. Keene
3. Wheaton

All of three of these teams have pitching, defense, and hitting.  i really feel that it is going to be tough for any of these three teams to win the NE region, and i feel that whoever does has a legitate shot at winning the Ship in Wisconsin.  Ralph, last year Westfield State got shipped to the NY regional, and the year before that Eastern got shipped out there, only to win it.  How does the commitee determine if a NE team gets shipped out, and is there anyway of telling who might get sent out this year?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2008, 11:37:25 am
kscfan,

One thing that I want to look at is the records by conference in the playoff since the onset of the Pool system.

I think that the power conferences will be Little East, SUNYAC (Cortland), NJAC, Capital, UAA and WIAC.

With respect to seeding the brackets, I think that

1)  they look at the in-region seeding,
2)  they look at the 500-mile radius as to where they can ship a team to a regional site and save on a plane fare, and
3)  they try to avoid overloading a region with conference teams, when shipping a conference #2 team to another bracket may forestall the conference members meeting "too early".

The committee can do that in New England and Mid-Atlantic Regions.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 23, 2008, 12:04:21 pm
Ralph thanks for the info
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: JustAFan on April 23, 2008, 12:51:00 pm
While Trinity's Bayer hasn't been used as a weekend starter this year (although he has closed several weekend games) I think he's got the second best stuff on the Trinity staff, right behind Kiely, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Decker use him in place of Barnard as either the 2d or 3d starter come tournament time. Remember a few years back when Kiely went from never starting a weekend game to starting and winning a couple of games in the regionals, if memory serves me.  My point is that Eastern didn't see any old weekday starter last night.  And there are very few teams that can trot out a closer of the caliber of McGrath on a weekday, either. Anyone who says that Trinity is going to fall off next year because of the 4 senior pitchers they're losing doesn't appreciate how much hidden pitching talent is still left in the Trinity bullpen just waiting their chance for an opportunity to get some innings.

I'm still scratching my head over the fact that 3 of the top 5 teams in the DIII poll lost games last week, while Trinity did not, and yet Trinity did not move up even one position.  Sounds like several voters have more than one blind eye when it comes to losses suffered by certain teams. But Trinity did get some love in the ABCA poll released yesterday, moving up to #2.

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on April 23, 2008, 04:27:00 pm
Trinity should be #1, but there is a prejudice against NE teams because our season's so short and what real baseball players would play in NE. Going 27-0 is a huge accomplishment.
WRONG!  There is no prejudice against northeast!  You have no grounds that make that rant!
Ralph. I did not mean to imply that the rankings on this board are prejudiced towards anyone. I think you guys go all the way to get an as unbiased view as possible. I apologize if it was taken that way. However, there exists at all levels of play, from tee-ball to major leagues, the feeling that kids who grow up and play in New England just could not be good at baseball. I am not saying that it is evident on D3baseball.com., but it is in the baseball world.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2008, 05:55:31 pm
Trinity should be #1, but there is a prejudice against NE teams because our season's so short and what real baseball players would play in NE. Going 27-0 is a huge accomplishment.
WRONG!  There is no prejudice against northeast!  You have no grounds that make that rant!
Ralph. I did not mean to imply that the rankings on this board are prejudiced towards anyone. I think you guys go all the way to get an as unbiased view as possible. I apologize if it was taken that way. However, there exists at all levels of play, from tee-ball to major leagues, the feeling that kids who grow up and play in New England just could not be good at baseball. I am not saying that it is evident on D3baseball.com., but it is in the baseball world.
Thanks for the clarification.  That is a new one on me.

I have visited the midwest and the northeast, for extended periods in the summer four times.  My impression was that the kids were so excited to be playing baseball, that they were consumed by it.

In Texas, we have year-around ball, but we also have the Texas Strangers, currently 7-14 and 5 GB.  At that pace, the Strangers will finish 54 games below .500 and 38 GB.  You have the Bosox and the Yankees.  Wanna trade.  Better yet , can you light a cigarette by snapping your fingers?  ;)

I think that the New England baseball is the best at its level in D3, (versus D-II or D-I.)

Let's see how the NEWMAC, NESCAC and LEC finish.

 :)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: JustAFan on April 23, 2008, 07:38:51 pm
Babson may have punched Wheaton's tournament ticket this afternoon and put its own fate in the hands of the at-large decisionmakers with a shocking 12-11 loss to Clark U. in the opening round game of the NEWMAC tournament.  Babson was cruising along 11-2 after 6 innings, and pulled its starting pitcher only to see Clark score 10 runs in the 8th inning to go ahead 12-11.  Babson loaded the bases with one out in the bottom of the 9th but then hit into a game ending double play.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 23, 2008, 07:56:21 pm
justafan- is the Newmac one and done?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on April 23, 2008, 09:16:23 pm
Tommorows games

MIT @ Wheaton 3:30
WPI @ Babson 3:30(elimination game)
Clark @ Springfield 3:30

Wheaton would seem to be sitting pretty good for conference title. Puts Babson in poor spot for at large
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: 363dp on April 23, 2008, 10:38:29 pm
Babson will have to go deep into their pitching staff, which is pretty deep. That is only one game, still a few days to go before the auto bid is handed out. Maybe Springfield is the Cinderella team?

My predictions for tomorrow;

Gingras pitches another gem as the Lyons roar to face Clark in the winners bracket.
Babson staves off elimination and makes it to Sunday!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Div3NE on April 24, 2008, 12:23:28 pm
Top 15 Records in New England, with conf records and vs Top 20 teams in New England.  Let the debate begin for at large teams.

SCHOOL   W   L   PCT   W   L   PCT   vs top twenty
Trinity   28       1.000    12       1.000   8W 0L
Keene S   24   6   0.800    9   1   0.900   5W 4L
Wheaton   28   7   0.800    9   3   0.750   14W 2L
Curry   25   7   0.781    15   4   0.789   9W 6L
Roger Wil   28   9   0.757    20   2   0.909   9W 4L
Suffolk   23   8   0.742    12       1.000   8W 5L
Babson   25   9   0.735    11   1   0.917   9W 6L
Amherst   17   7   0.708    8   3   0.727   5W 1L
USM   21   9   0.700    6   2   0.750   7W 9L
WNEC   24   11   0.686    15   5   0.750   10W 7L
Williams   19   9   0.679    6   2   0.750   2W 5L
RIC   21   10   0.677    7   3   0.700   6W 6L
Wentwo   23   11   0.676    11   7   0.611   1W 6L
Salem St   23   12   0.657    7   5   0.583   4W 4L
Eaconn   21   11   0.656    6   3   0.667   8W 4L
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: C2islegit on April 24, 2008, 12:54:05 pm
To all,

I attended the Babson vs Clark game yesterday and it certainly was a wild one. Babson started out dominting by hitting 4 home runs (one to lead off their half of the first) then adding another in the fourth, and going back to back in the 6th to make the lead 11-2, which held until the 8th. The way Clark came back was unreal. They kept hitting ground ball singles that made it through the holes in the infield. The one crushing blow was a 3 run homer to cut the lead to 5, which made the comeback reasonable for them. Babson pulled it's ace who was cruising through 6th, and that's when the unthinkable happened. There were 4 HBP's in the inning, half were skimmed jersey shots that proved costly. Babson only made one error, which is quite amazing because usually in double digit innings at any level there would be more than one error, especially if all the hits other than the homer are ground ball singles.

Babson will have to battle their way to the championship and likely have to take on Wheaton twice to grab the title. They are an explosive and team that proved they can put together streaks, as that loss snapped an 11 game win streak. Should be interesting to see how they bounce back today.

In regards to the at large, I think it is a little to early to speculate because of conference tourney's, but I think 2-3 of the 14 national at large bids will be given to the New England Region, which is very strong this year. Stump, I certainly wouldn't say Babson has a poor chance at an at large simply because of one fluke bad inning in the first round of their conference tourney. Remember, they were 11-1 in regular season play including TWO wins over Wheaton.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dubbc on April 26, 2008, 06:43:44 pm
Babson is eliminated from NEWMAC tourney by springfield this afternoon.  Wheaton beats MIT again to move into championship series, springfield will have to beat them twice.... hope the rain holds off at sidell tomorrow

Does anyone still honestly believe Babson deserves an at large bid now?  KSC USM and ECONN all must of enjoyed seeing them being bounced out so early... another huge let down for Babson fans

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 26, 2008, 08:15:06 pm
Babson is eliminated from NEWMAC tourney by springfield this afternoon.  Wheaton beats MIT again to move into championship series, springfield will have to beat them twice.... hope the rain holds off at sidell tomorrow

Does anyone still honestly believe Babson deserves an at large bid now?  KSC USM and ECONN all must of enjoyed seeing them being bounced out so early... another huge let down for Babson fans



Babson has to hope for all the other tourneys to go to the regular season champs to have a hope for NCAALand; still a fine season for the Babson Leave to Beavers. They should garner a ECAC bid at the least.

Word
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 27, 2008, 01:45:40 am
babson not making it to the finals is a real blow to thier ncaa hopes.  Its to bad cause i root for babson even though i am a keene state fan.  I feel they have a quality program with a bunch of class acts as players and coaches.  should be interesting to see who gets the at large from the NE region now.  I feel that if Trinity or Keene gets upset in thier tournys they will get that at large, if both win thier tourny well then maybe babsons got an outside chance.  Still i believe to many loses against lec teams and nescac teams for it to matter.  Most likely off to the ecacs for the beaver which is to bad as they are a great team. 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on April 27, 2008, 02:16:30 pm
Don't count Babson out yet.  Don't forget that teams that play in leagues with earlier tournaments often schedule games AFTER their conference tournament.  Babson still has 4 games on the schedule.

April 30 vs Rhode Island College
May 1 at Southern Maine
May 4 vs Tufts (DH)

That is four games against four quality opponents and four chances to build that resume.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 27, 2008, 06:31:17 pm
NE D-III Fans:

We have St. Joe's and Wheaton in the NCAA. Anyone else secured a spot?

1) Wheaton
2) St. Joe's
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: C2islegit on April 28, 2008, 02:01:27 am
I feel as though Babson still has a shot at a Pool C bid. With four huge games remaining, as well as currently have a very solid in region record (25-9), they certainly still can get an at large.

Dubbc,
Simply because Babson was eliminated in the semi's of their conference tourney after dominating the regular season, doesn't mean you can write them off. It will be interesting to see how they do in their final four games, but if they do win out it would be a crime if they didn't get a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 30, 2008, 09:45:02 am
Some great games for all you fans of good NE d3 baseball thursday and friday.  If you live up north on thursday you get Keene at ST Joes, St Joes already going to the regionals, it would seem that Keene is too but i dont want to jinx them.  If you are from Southern NE then you can get Wheaton and ECSU under the lights at the Death Star, home of the Evil Empire and Emperor Holywater.  Friday if you live in Middle NE then you can get Keene at Wheaton, two teams that very very good, and seem to battle with each other very well.  THis all leads into Conferance mania on sat as some Conferance tournys get under way, where as seedings and locations are up for grabs in some other ones.  What a great 4 days of baseball coming up!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on April 30, 2008, 11:02:55 am
Being a homer I can't help but remind folks in Western NE of another great matchup on Sunday.  Williams and AmHerst, the best rivalry in D3 sports, battle in Pittsfield, MA to determine who wins the NESCAC West and avoids Trinity in game 1 of the NESCAC tourney.  I assume the pitching match-up will be a good one as Benz takes on stud frosh Keenan.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Old Spartan on April 30, 2008, 01:12:38 pm
Why is the game in Pittsfield?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 30, 2008, 02:52:56 pm
They (who by the way are 'they'?), but I digress, they say a picture says a thousand words. So I thought I would post some picture thoughts about this weekend big games around New England.

ECONN (TEE) vs PlyWood State
http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures/Picture.asp?ID=326

KSC Fans head to Left Field Fence Line for the RIC Doubleheader
http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures/Picture.asp?ID=376

USM vs Worst Conn
http://www.comedy-zone.net/pictures/work/work29.htm


KSC Sweeps RIC and Hosts in the Swamp
http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures/Picture.asp?ID=348


And Finally, Word hard at work and Word's pet dogs

http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures/Picture.asp?ID=358

http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures/Picture.asp?ID=375

More later,

Word
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 30, 2008, 04:15:04 pm
They (who by the way are 'they'?), but I digress, they say a picture says a thousand words. So I thought I would post some picture thoughts about this weekend big games around New England.

ECONN (TEE) vs PlyWood State
http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures/Picture.asp?ID=326

KSC Fans head to Left Field Fence Line for the RIC Doubleheader
http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures/Picture.asp?ID=376

USM vs Worst Conn
http://www.comedy-zone.net/pictures/work/work29.htm


KSC Sweeps RIC and Hosts in the Swamp
http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures/Picture.asp?ID=348


And Finally, Word hard at work and Word's pet dogs

http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures/Picture.asp?ID=358

http://www.killsometime.com/Pictures/Picture.asp?ID=375

More later,

Word

Just rolling around on the floor in my office in tears (of laughter)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Fans head to the Fence"  will be a classic for mucho years to come on this board

The dogs and Mr Potato Head...I could not keep the tears back

killsometime.com  unbelievable!! ;D
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: frank uible on April 30, 2008, 06:03:41 pm
Old: See Williams athletics website.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bill Gorman on April 30, 2008, 07:05:38 pm
Not talked about at all, but some crazy games in The CommonWealth Coast Conference Tournament, which got underway this afternoon.  #4 Wentworth (28-11) defeated #5 Endicott (19-19), 5-1, while #3 Western New England (28-11) defeated #6 Salve Regina 11-5 (21-18-1).  Those were normal.

Meanwhile...#1 Roger Williams (30-10) defeats #8 Gordon (11-21), 3-2, on a walk-off Sac Fly, while #2 Curry (27-8-1) trailed #7 Colby-Sawyer (14-21), 8-2, before rallying to tie it.  The game is still at 8-all in the 14th inning at last check.

Tomorrow features #4 Wentworth at #1 Roger Williams in one winner's bracket game and #8 Gordon at #5 Endicott in one loser's bracket game.  WNEC awaits the Curry/CSC winner, while Salve gets the Curry/CSC loser.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on April 30, 2008, 07:18:31 pm
Interesting stuff Bill, as I think if Curry doesn't at last reach their championship game they will not receive an at-large bid. Good news for the bubble teams like Suffolk and Babson if Curry indeed fails to reach the championship game.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bill Gorman on April 30, 2008, 07:22:38 pm
Interesting stuff Bill, as I think if Curry doesn't at last reach their championship game they will not receive an at-large bid. Good news for the bubble teams like Suffolk and Babson if Curry indeed fails to reach the championship game.
Babson lost to RIC today, 6-2.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bill Gorman on April 30, 2008, 07:44:35 pm
Curry prevails, 9-8, in 15 innings.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on May 01, 2008, 09:42:18 am
Put a fork in Babson, with the loss to RIC, Babson will not get the at large over some of the other teams in NE.  The LEC has been there downfall this year, with loses to Keene, RIC, Plymouth, Eastern, and still have Southern to come.  I would sooner think that the at large will come out of the LEC and or the NESCAC over Babson now.  THis might open the door for Eastern CT, and or a Williams.  Still a lot depends on how the conferance tournys play out



Word as someone that has been around the KSC program for the last 5 years your picture of the left field fence had me lauging out loud at work today and people staring at me.  THey came over to look and i had to quickly ex out of the page as i was suppoused to be doing something else.  Hilarious word keep it up!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 01, 2008, 11:17:51 am

Word as someone that has been around the KSC program for the last 5 years your picture of the left field fence had me lauging out loud at work today and people staring at me.  THey came over to look and i had to quickly ex out of the page as i was suppoused to be doing something else.  Hilarious word keep it up!

Actually, I had you and PA and MO and JW and JY and RS in mind when I posted that.

I'll see you Saturday on the left field fence line. Manin' the line   for the SWampRats; by the way don't SwampRats love to feast on Quahogs from Rhode Island?

Word
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on May 01, 2008, 09:25:29 pm
Put a fork in Babson, with the loss to RIC, Babson will not get the at large over some of the other teams in NE.  The LEC has been there downfall this year, with loses to Keene, RIC, Plymouth, Eastern, and still have Southern to come.  I would sooner think that the at large will come out of the LEC and or the NESCAC over Babson now.  THis might open the door for Eastern CT, and or a Williams.  Still a lot depends on how the conferance tournys play out



Word as someone that has been around the KSC program for the last 5 years your picture of the left field fence had me lauging out loud at work today and people staring at me.  THey came over to look and i had to quickly ex out of the page as i was suppoused to be doing something else.  Hilarious word keep it up!

ECSU over Wheaton  2-1. big win to solidify possible at large bid to Tourney if not Pool A from LEC Tourney Win
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on May 02, 2008, 07:28:46 am
Eastern kills me, every year they go out to californina and they come back sub 500 or around 500.  Then you know as soon as you get into NE they are going to turn it on, espically later season.  That win over Wheaton was huge for them, as they immediatly become i think the frontrunner for the at large if they dont win the LEC tourny.  I know that thier loss column is a little high, but i think a combination of thier quality wins, last season winning ways, and thier "reputation" they will prob get in, espically if they run deep into the LEC tourny.  Just one of these years i would like to see them fall on thier faces, but they never seem to do.  As for Babson, next year they should sneak around NE and blow up the fields of all LEC teams, as the LEC was the downfall of them this year.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on May 02, 2008, 09:07:41 am
Eastern kills me, every year they go out to californina and they come back sub 500 or around 500.  Then you know as soon as you get into NE they are going to turn it on, espically later season.  That win over Wheaton was huge for them, as they immediatly become i think the frontrunner for the at large if they dont win the LEC tourny.  I know that thier loss column is a little high, but i think a combination of thier quality wins, last season winning ways, and thier "reputation" they will prob get in, espically if they run deep into the LEC tourny.  Just one of these years i would like to see them fall on thier faces, but they never seem to do.  As for Babson, next year they should sneak around NE and blow up the fields of all LEC teams, as the LEC was the downfall of them this year.

KCFAN,

I think Coach HolyWater really does not worry about winning the CA games.  He is checking out the new recruits and looking at the team as a whole to determine who are starters.   Matt Fontaine , Chris Wojick really shut down the Wheaton offence and did a great job.  With the Lyons already clinching Pool A, they may not have been totally engaged.  ECSU is always tough in the streach, and sort of lull you to sleep.  Still wish we had S Gilblair healthy!!

Keene will do fine, they have a great team this year.  Will be a great LEC Tourney, cant wait.

By the way, how is the BB field up in Keene after all the flooding? ( I know Word will have commment ;D) Playable? Would they move to different location for the LEC Tournament??  Hope a wet/muddy  field does not come into play here
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on May 02, 2008, 12:24:45 pm
KSCfan... Good Competition means good play.. EConn plays a tough non-conference schedule every year. This year no different - starting with defending champs Kean on the road. Then going to California to play Ithaca, Pomona-Pitzer, Whittier, Redlands. The LEC is tough but they still continue with a tough non-conference schedule as well taking on the likes of Trinity, Montclair St., Mahantanville, Roger Williams, Amherst, Suffolf, Babson, and Wheaton. (5-2-1 record). When it comes to LEC play they are seasoned. Coach H replaces guys like Re, Cooney, LaVorgna, Iverson, and O'Toole with the likes of Parke, Magliola, Wojick and Fontaine. He reloads and doesn't let the team rest on their laurels. I'm sure Coach H is hoping that his team's play against those top teams will help in securing an at - large bid if they fall short in the LEC tourney.

ECSu alum.... Anyone at the Wheaton game last night was treated to a well played game. EConn's defense play errorless ball for the first time in a long time. Wheaton was engaged with good starting pitching from McDonough until they brought in a lefty to face Gilblair . Good game. Defense definitely helped Fontaine and Wojick. As everyone has mentioned on previouos posts... the LEC tourney should be a classic - no matter when it is played. Being a fan of EConn from RI - I'm hoping that RIC gives Keene all it can handle. Going into next week's tourney the "NotsoTEE" is shaping up with a rested starting rotation, bullpen, and much improved defense.

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 02, 2008, 02:20:26 pm
By the way, how is the BB field up in Keene after all the flooding? ( I know Word will have commment ;D) Playable? Would they move to different location for the LEC Tournament??  Hope a wet/muddy  field does not come into play here
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I walked the field last night. It is soggy in right field and damp in the other normal spots. I agree I hope it does not come into play this weekend. I am still not sure about hosting the LEC because I don't have a good handle on the tie-breakers (shame on me). But I think it will come down to a 3 way tie for the LEC.

In all seriousness, wow, here goes Word being serious. Keene State is a GREAT college (see below), within a great setting, a fantastic town, a strong coaching fraternity and a very fine baseball staff.

The challenge for the KSC Administration is to pay some quality attention ($$$) to the baseball, and softball program for that matter, and their respective facilities. KSC is known as a soccer and basketball school, both inside the college and out. Nothing wrong with that, but KSC has two of the finer gentlemen and coaches in the country in Ken Howe and Charlie Beach plioting these teams. Howe was made full-time just in the last couple of years, Dr. Beach just in the last couple of weeks. They have both done amazing jobs on a PT basis.

KSC, in my humble opinion (and I have funded 2 graduates through the KSC system and have watched and supported KSC baseball for many years) needs to reward these coaches, their hard work, and their fine programs with upgrades of the facilities. The Swamp is much like the Old Boston garden, quaint, but past her time. Yes we joke about the right field bog much like Coz and Bird joked about the Dead spots on the old Garden Floor. (Hear that RI??)But it is time to step up and support these programs.

Congrats to the KSC coaching Staff and players for a great year.

There, off my soapbox.  :)  Word Dammit

Jostens Institution of the Year
This award is presented annually to the ECAC institution that best exemplifies the highest standards of collegiate academics and athletic performance.

Previous Winners: 2007  Brandeis University 
2006  New York University 
2005  Keene State College   
2004  Williams College 
2003  Harvard University 
2002  University of Maryland 
2001  Williams College 
2000  Georgetown University 
1999  Williams College 
1998  Princeton University 
1997  Middlebury College 
1996  Princeton University 
1995  Williams College 



Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on May 02, 2008, 03:26:11 pm
By the way, how is the BB field up in Keene after all the flooding? ( I know Word will have commment ;D) Playable? Would they move to different location for the LEC Tournament??  Hope a wet/muddy  field does not come into play here

I walked the field last night. It is soggy in right field and damp in the other normal spots. I agree I hope it does not come into play this weekend. I am still not sure about hosting the LEC because I don't have a good handle on the tie-breakers (shame on me). But I think it will come down to a 3 way tie for the LEC.

In all seriousness, wow, here goes Word being serious. Keene State is a GREAT college (see below), within a great setting, a fantastic town, a strong coaching faternity and a very fine baseball staff.

The challenge for the KSC Administration is to pay some quality attention ($$$) to the baseball, and softball program for that matter, and their respective facilities. KSC is known as a soccer and basketball school, both inside the college and out. Nothing wrong with that, but KSC has two of the finer gentlemen and coaches in the country in Ken Howe and Charlie Beach plioting these teams. Howe was made full-time just in the last couple of years, Dr. Beach just in the last couple of weeks. They have both done amazing jobs on a PT basis.

KSC, in my humble opinion (and I have funded 2 graduates through the KSC system and have watched and supported KSC baseball for many years) needs to reward these coaches, their hard work, and their fine programs with upgrades of the facilities. The Swamp is much like the Old Boston garden, quaint, but past her time. Yes we joke about the right field bog much like Coz and Bird joked about the Dead spots on the old Garden Floor. (Hear that RI??)But it is time to step up and support these programs.

Congrats to the KSC coaching Staff and players for a great year.

There, off my soapbox.  :)  Word Dammit

Jostens Institution of the Year
This award is presented annually to the ECAC institution that best exemplifies the highest standards of collegiate academics and athletic performance.

Previous Winners: 2007  Brandeis University 
2006  New York University 
2005  Keene State College   
2004  Williams College 
2003  Harvard University 
2002  University of Maryland 
2001  Williams College 
2000  Georgetown University 
1999  Williams College 
1998  Princeton University 
1997  Middlebury College 
1996  Princeton University 
1995  Williams College 




[/quote]

Word,

Nice review of situation at Keene.  The Baseball team has worked hard and deserves a quality facilty, and besides a top rate facility attracts a lot players on the fence (no pun intended) between a quality D-III program and perhaps a D II program, it all in the package, good facility, coaching/successful program, academics, campus life , location.

re Jostens Award, Keene in with some pretty classy company!!
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 02, 2008, 03:55:20 pm
Eye-See the KSC-Wheaties match is cancelled. Any ideas why?

Too bad a great Inter-NewEngland match-up. Better for KSC as the real important games come tomorrow vs the Quahogs of Rhody.

Still the loss to the Monks, while not unexpected, did not help KSC in the all important At-Large Bid contest.
They have lost to AmHerst, Williams, WNEC, St. Joe's in NE, whilst defeating Babson, Brandeis, and the JACs of the world. Still must remember they defeated CCNJ twice, and Johns Hopkins to start the year.

Word
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 04, 2008, 01:50:02 pm
Would anyone like to speculate on the New England regional at-large situation? How many bids do you guys think New England will receive? Some are saying 3, others are saying 4. With that, who is in the running?

Let's look at the regional rankings from last week;

1. Trinity - I'm going to assume the Bantams will win the NESCAC tournament, as they are currently 34-0 and easily the best team in the conference. They would receive the pool A bid.

2. Wheaton - Wheaton has already won the NEWMAC, thus earning an automatic bid to Harwich.

3. Keene State - Keene is the top team in the LEC, along with Eastern. The way I see it, one of these two teams is going to win the LEC, and the other will receive an at-large bid.

4. Eastern Connecticut - See above.

5. Suffolk - The big wild card in New England, imo. Suffolk really hurt their chances last week by failing to win the GNAC after running the table in the regular season, but they still have an excellent record (27-10), and are 3rd in strength of schedule in New England, only trailing Trinity and Eastern Connecticut. The Rams have 5 games remaining, and should at least go 3-2 in those games, thus guaranteeing themselves 30 wins. At worst, I see them finishing at 30-12, and I think this should be enough to get them an at-large bid, so long as the teams above them win their conferences.

6. Amherst - Amherst is an interesting case. They currently sit at 22-9-1, and have a number of impressive wins on their resume. They swept St. Joe's of Maine yesterday, who last week earned an automatic bid by winning the GNAC. The only problem I see with Trinity is the fact their regular season is completed, and they only have 22 wins. I don't think they can beat Trinity to win the NESCAC, so an automatic bid is out of the question. Let's say they win 2 games before bowing out in the tournament, they would end their season with 24 wins. Could the committee really justify awarding an at-large bid to a team with 24 wins over a team like Suffolk, with 30 wins? I'm not sure.

7. Roger Williams - RW pretty much sealed their fate by losing in their conference tournament yesterday, failing to even reach the finals. Although they have an excellent record, their weak strength of schedule and lack of impressive wins makes it highly unlikely Roger Williams will receive an at-large bid.

8. Southern Maine - USM is another interesting case, and I think they're definitely in the running for an at-large bid. They have an excellent record (29-10) while playing in one of the best conferences in the country. They've beaten some very good teams, and their offense is downright scary. The only problem facing USM in my opinion is their conference. I don't think they have the pitching to beat Keene State or Eastern Connecticut, and if they fail to win their conference, there is no way the committee will award two at-large bids to the LEC, along with the automatic bid. For USM, it's win or go home.

9. WNEC - WNEC is my sleeper from this region. Although they started 0-5, they've since gone 30-6 to run their record to 30-11. They are slated to play for the CCC championship today, and I think they'll handle Wentworth to receive the automatic bid. Once they get to Harwich, watch out for these guys. They have the pitching to surprise a lot of people (Anderson and Pizzoferrato are as good as they come).

So, what does all this mean? Basically, I think the automatic bids will go to Trinity from the NESCAC, Keene State from the LEC, and WNEC from TCCC. That leaves the following teams in the running for an at-large, and I've ranked them in order for their likelihood to receive a bid. Again, this is just one man's opinion, and I am simply going on what the knowledge that is already out there.

1. Eastern Connecticut - They have the history, the strength of schedule, and the impressive wins to guarantee themselves a spot in the regionals this year.

2. Suffolk - 3rd in the region in strength of schedule, and they still have 5 games remaining, with a very good chance of going 30-12.

3. Southern Maine - They're going to finish with 30-32 wins, and their strength of schedule is among the best. Although I have already mentioned the unlikelihood that the committee will award two at-large bids to the LEC, I think there is an even greater unlikelihood that the committee will award an at-large to a team with 24 wins (Amherst) over a team with 30+ (USM, Suffolk).

4. Amherst - As stated earlier, their lack of wins is going to hurt them immensely.

5. Roger Williams - I think their goose is cooked now that they have failed to win TCCC, but I don't see any team in the region who would be considered for an at-large before these guys.

Alright, now that I've wasted everyone's time with this drivel, what does everyone else think?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Knuckles97 on May 04, 2008, 05:49:41 pm
Are Wheaton and St. Joe's still the only two teams that have earned NCAA bids in the Region?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on May 04, 2008, 06:41:41 pm
Are Wheaton and St. Joe's still the only two teams that have earned NCAA bids in the Region?

Worcester State snapped a 4-4 tie with a four-run, seventh-inning uprising in a 9-4 victory over Westfield State in the Massachusetts State College Athletics Conference baseball tournament championship game. Worcester State, 23-16 and riding a nine-game winning streak, earns and automatic berth to the NCAA Division III Tournament.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 04, 2008, 06:56:11 pm
Are Wheaton and St. Joe's still the only two teams that have earned NCAA bids in the Region?

Worcester State snapped a 4-4 tie with a four-run, seventh-inning uprising in a 9-4 victory over Westfield State in the Massachusetts State College Athletics Conference baseball tournament championship game. Worcester State, 23-16 and riding a nine-game winning streak, earns and automatic berth to the NCAA Division III Tournament.


WNEC Secured an Auto-Bid to the NC2As this afternoon. Congrats to Coach LaBranche, another real quality coach who has done an outstanding job without a lot of 'pub'.


Western New England College cages Leopards to claim TCCC Tournament crown
Baseball


SPRINGFIELD, Mass. – Junior pitcher Jason Pizzoferrato (Windsor, CT) won his eighth game of the season without a loss as third-seeded Western New England College posted a 6-4 victory over fourth-seeded Wentworth Institute of Technology in the championship game of The Commonwealth Coast Conference (TCCC) Baseball Tournament Sunday afternoon (May 4) at Trelease Park.

The Golden Bears, who posted a perfect 4-0 record in the playoffs, will receive an automatic invitation to the NCAA Division III Tournament for the third straight year. This is Western New England College’s inaugural first season in TCCC after capturing the Great Northeast Athletic Conference (GNAC) Tournament title the last two seasons.

Coach Matt LaBranche’s squad now has a 31-11 record after running its winning streak to nine games.

 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on May 05, 2008, 09:43:59 am
Teams in:
1. Wheaton
2. WNEC
3. St Joes
4. Worchester State

Teams still to be decided on

Keene State
Eastern CT
Southern Maine
Trinity
Suffolk


Some serious competition this year in the regionals.  Shaping up to be better than last years talent wise.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2008, 10:01:37 am
Teams in:
1. Wheaton                      NEWMAC
2. WNEC                             CCC
3. St Joes                           GNAC
4. Worchester State          MASCAC

Teams still to be decided on

Keene State
Eastern CT
Southern Maine
Trinity
Suffolk

Some serious competition this year in the regionals.  Shaping up to be better than last years talent wise.
The NAC has a Pool A bid this year.  We need the Pool A bids from the NESCAC and LEC.

There are 14 Pool A bids to give nationwide.  Expect one or two for New England.

Tourney FAQ (http://www.d3baseball.com/faq/category/NCAA+Tournament)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Knuckles97 on May 05, 2008, 10:40:43 am
Is that your current seeding as well?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on May 05, 2008, 04:29:09 pm
Here is how I see things right now.  This year there are 8 team regionals and 6 team regionals (no 7's--I think).  I put 1-9 here even though there can only be 8 teams.  Somebody is going to get shipped out and everyone else moves accordingly

1.  Trinity (win or lose in the NESCAC)
2.  Keene State (here if they win LEC tourney--in field but lower if they do not)
3.  Wheaton
4.  Western New England
5.  Eastern Connecticut / Southern Maine (whoever goes farther in LEC)
6.  ***See Below***
7.  St. Joe's Maine
8.  Worcester State
9.  NAC winner

6th Seed
Scenario #1--Williams makes it to the NESCAC finals, Williams gets the 6 seed
Scenario #2--Amherst makes it to the NESCAC finals, Amherst gets the 6 seed
Scenario #3--Tufts makes it to the NESCAC finals, Suffolk gets the 6 seed--this all depends on how Suffolk plays this week as they have games against MIT, Umass Boston, Endicott, & St. Joe's Maine (DH)

Looks like a VERY STRONG field.  This year may be the year that the team sent to the NY region isn't that upset about being shipped out.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: met_fan on May 05, 2008, 04:42:08 pm
This year may be the year that the team sent to the NY region isn't that upset about being shipped out.

Could be, but I don't think any of them want to play Cortland either.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: frank uible on May 05, 2008, 06:02:33 pm
The year Trinity went to the World Series (my guess 2003) it came out of the NY regional and over Cortland.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on May 05, 2008, 06:29:13 pm
Cortland is arguably the best team in the NY / New England area but 2-8 I think the field in New England will be much stronger.  But we will never know.

I would actually LOVE to see more crossing up in these tournaments (although I don't see it happening).  Send some NY teams to Harwich & send some NE teams to Auburn NY.  I think every team in the running for these spots is within 500 miles of both sites. 

ECSU has also gone through the NY region to get to Wisconsin
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2008, 07:13:39 pm
Cortland is arguably the best team in the NY / New England area but 2-8 I think the field in New England will be much stronger.  But we will never know.

I would actually LOVE to see more crossing up in these tournaments (although I don't see it happening).  Send some NY teams to Harwich & send some NE teams to Auburn NY.  I think every team in the running for these spots is within 500 miles of both sites. 

ECSU has also gone through the NY region to get to Wisconsin
Paul, I agree.  As much as the budget will allow.

With the price of diesel, and an anticipated four airfares in the West, I hope that the committee can move some teams between the regions, if affordable.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: met_fan on May 05, 2008, 07:47:44 pm
The year Trinity went to the World Series (my guess 2003) it came out of the NY regional and over Cortland.

I'm not trying to say they couldn't win, just that going through Cortland will be no easier than going through Trinity.  I'm guessing 75% of the teams in the NCAAs are capable of getting hot for a weekend and winning a regional tournament, even though they may not be the best team.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on May 05, 2008, 10:07:17 pm
Just wanted to share some NCAA D-III statistics as of 2007 here on most successful baseball programs in post season play (alphabetical order):

CWS Points:   4 for 1st place, 3 for 2nd , 2 for thirdplace , 1 for 4th place

                       Years          Tourney        Years       CWS
Team            in Regional     W      L         in CWS   Points  comments
-------           ---------------    ---     ---        ---------   --------  ------------

Cal St Stan,       10              49    21          10          19       now D- II
ECSU                 28             101   54          12          28       LEC
Ithaca                30              89    61          NA         21       Empire 8
Marietta             28             123   58          19         37        OAC
Montclair St        23              97    46          13         23        NJAC
NC Wesleyan     20              73    43          12         14        USA South
Rowan               17              50    32            6         10        NJAC
SUNY Cort.         16              50    32            8           7        SUNYAC
Wooster             21              45    45           4           5        NCAC
U St Thomas       12              35    23           3         10        MIAC
US Maine            16              48    32           6           8        LEC
UW Oshk            22            101    47           17        24       WIAC
W. Patterson      17              56    33           NA        11

Points are indication of toughness/sucess at CWS  Separates the men from the boys
WHERE ARE ALL THE CALIFORNIA/TEXAS TEAMS!!!!!                       
     
   
             
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Old Man on May 05, 2008, 11:04:57 pm
Hello????

5. Suffolk - The big wild card in New England, imo. Suffolk really hurt their chances last week by failing to win the GNAC after running the table in the regular season, but they still have an excellent record (27-10), and are 3rd in strength of schedule in New England, only trailing Trinity and Eastern Connecticut. The Rams have 5 games remaining, and should at least go 3-2 in those games, thus guaranteeing themselves 30 wins. At worst, I see them finishing at 30-12, and I think this should be enough to get them an at-large bid, so long as the teams above them win their conferences.
 ??? ??? ???

Why is suufolk #3?  - according to my stats they are 22-9 in region. whaere do you find thier=srenght of schedule?    trinty -23-0, wheaton - 28-5 after ducking KSC (field unplayable)????, KSC - 23-6, ECSU - 20-8-1,
Tell me why??????????????????


Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 05, 2008, 11:10:58 pm
Hello????

5. Suffolk - The big wild card in New England, imo. Suffolk really hurt their chances last week by failing to win the GNAC after running the table in the regular season, but they still have an excellent record (27-10), and are 3rd in strength of schedule in New England, only trailing Trinity and Eastern Connecticut. The Rams have 5 games remaining, and should at least go 3-2 in those games, thus guaranteeing themselves 30 wins. At worst, I see them finishing at 30-12, and I think this should be enough to get them an at-large bid, so long as the teams above them win their conferences.
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Why is suufolk #3?  - according to my stats they are 22-9 in region. whaere do you find thier=srenght of schedule?    trinty -23-0, wheaton - 28-5 after ducking KSC (field unplayable)????, KSC - 23-6, ECSU - 20-8-1,
Tell me why??????????????????




I'm going on what I was told happened during the conference call last week. Suffolk's opponent's winning percentage is 3rd in New England, I presented that information wrong. Regardless, Suffolk has played the 3rd hardest schedule in NE, according to the committee.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 05, 2008, 11:19:43 pm
Here is how I see things right now.  This year there are 8 team regionals and 6 team regionals (no 7's--I think).  I put 1-9 here even though there can only be 8 teams.  Somebody is going to get shipped out and everyone else moves accordingly

1.  Trinity (win or lose in the NESCAC)
2.  Keene State (here if they win LEC tourney--in field but lower if they do not)
3.  Wheaton
4.  Western New England
5.  Eastern Connecticut / Southern Maine (whoever goes farther in LEC)
6.  ***See Below***
7.  St. Joe's Maine
8.  Worcester State
9.  NAC winner

6th Seed
Scenario #1--Williams makes it to the NESCAC finals, Williams gets the 6 seed
Scenario #2--Amherst makes it to the NESCAC finals, Amherst gets the 6 seed
Scenario #3--Tufts makes it to the NESCAC finals, Suffolk gets the 6 seed--this all depends on how Suffolk plays this week as they have games against MIT, Umass Boston, Endicott, & St. Joe's Maine (DH)

Looks like a VERY STRONG field.  This year may be the year that the team sent to the NY region isn't that upset about being shipped out.

Paul, I'm going to disagree with your 6th seed scenarios. The only chance Williams has at making the regionals is if they win the NESCAC - the committee said as much last week by failing to rank them in New England. Same with Amherst - ranked behind Suffolk, as long as Suffolk has a strong week, I don't see them getting the at-large, especially when comparing the in-region wins.

Suffolk is 25-9 in region (Montclair State and TCNJ both count in-region). Amherst I believe only has 15 in-region wins. Even if they win 2 games in the NESCAC tournament, that will only give them 17, with the chance of having 10 or 11 less in-region wins than Suffolk.

I just don't see either of those teams earning an at-large over Suffolk at this point.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on May 06, 2008, 12:19:03 am
Just to chip in a few things.  The last two years the NESCAC has been a two-bid conference, so that bodes well for Williams or Amherst if they make the NESCAC championship game. 

I could see a circumstance where two squads from the LEC receive at-larges.  I have never seen Suffolk play, but based on quality of opponents, I would say that KSC, USM, and ECSU all deserve at large bids over Suffolk. 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2008, 12:39:22 am
Just wanted to share some NCAA D-III statistics as of 2007 here on most successful baseball programs in post season play (alphabetical order):

CWS Points:   4 for 1st place, 3 for 2nd , 2 for thirdplace , 1 for 4th place

                       Years          Tourney        Years       CWS
Team            in Regional     W      L         in CWS   Points  comments
-------           ---------------    ---     ---        ---------   --------  ------------

Cal St Stan,       10              49    21          10          19       now D- II
ECSU                 28             101   54          12          28       LEC
Ithaca                30              89    61          NA         21       Empire 8
Marietta             28             123   58          19         37        OAC
Montclair St        23              97    46          13         23        NJAC
NC Wesleyan     20              73    43          12         14        USA South
Rowan               17              50    32            6         10        NJAC
SUNY Cort.         16              50    32            8           7        SUNYAC
Wooster             21              45    45           4           5        NCAC
U St Thomas       12              35    23           3         10        MIAC
US Maine            16              48    32           6           8        LEC
UW Oshk            22            101    47           17        24       WIAC
W. Patterson      17              56    33           NA        11

Points are indication of toughness/sucess at CWS  Separates the men from the boys
WHERE ARE ALL THE CALIFORNIA/TEXAS TEAMS!!!!!                                 
The ASC has only been a Pool A conference since 2001. In the last seven years, the West Region (where the ASC competes) has won two National titles.  The ASC has had four teams make the NCAA's in that time.  SCAC members Trinity and Southwestern have also made the NCAA's in that time in the West Regionals..

The problem with the ASC at the national level is that we do not have the pitching depth that the WIAC, or the LEC or the NJAC have.  NJAC schools have come to Texas on spring trips.  We saw players from NJ that would be on scholarship in Texas.  Most likely, they would be among the 26 JUCO schools or the 20 D-II's or 10 NAIA schools, if not 15 some-odd D-1's.  :)

There is one unique difference about D-III baseball, i.e., the quality of the pitching staffs that are concentrated in the state schools.  You will notice that I mentioned three of the proposed power conferences.  Add in strong schools such as Salisbury and Cortland, and you have described many of the power teams in D3.   We do not see that state schools dominance in D-III football or basketball.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 06, 2008, 01:44:32 am
Just to chip in a few things.  The last two years the NESCAC has been a two-bid conference, so that bodes well for Williams or Amherst if they make the NESCAC championship game. 

I could see a circumstance where two squads from the LEC receive at-larges.  I have never seen Suffolk play, but based on quality of opponents, I would say that KSC, USM, and ECSU all deserve at large bids over Suffolk. 

I can understand the KSC/ECSU argument for an at-large before Suffolk (I've mentioned as much in my previous posts), but I don't see USM getting in without winning the LEC. USM was swept by Suffolk already this year, and were ranked 9th last week in the regional rankings (the rankings which actually matter), whereas Suffolk was 5th. Suffolk has followed that ranking with a 3-0 week, and could conceivably end their week 7-0, to finish at 32-10. In order for Suffolk to drop in the rankings, they'd have to lose 2-3 games, and as of right now that hasn't happened.

Like I've mentioned before, Suffolk has the 3rd highest opponent's winning percentage in New England, behind only Trinity and Eastern Connecticut. As of right now, I think they're the front-runner for the 2nd at-large bid.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Nuke LaLoosh on May 06, 2008, 10:57:27 am
The NESCAC has actually gotten a Pool C three years in a row. Trinity last year (not sure it was deserved) Bowdoin in '06, and Trinity again in '05 (a team that went to Wisconsin).

I think if either Williams or Amherst can beat Trinity this weekend, they should get in. If they both beat Trinity (not going to happen) then whoever wins the league, assuming it's not Tufts, will get the Pool A and Trinity will obviously get the Pool C.

I don't see Amherst beating Kiely, even though TK struggled some against them a few weeks ago, but I do think Williams has a shot if they can get by Tufts on Friday.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on May 06, 2008, 04:42:29 pm
My theory on Williams or Amherst getting that bid over Suffolk was based on what I think will happen not on what I think should happen.

From my limited time following all of this I have noticed that the NCAA does what they does.

2005--Two at large teams--1 NESCAC & 1 LEC
2006--Two at large teams--1 NESCAC & 1 LEC
2007--Two at large teams--1 NESCAC & 1 LEC

my bad grammar above was intended.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 06, 2008, 04:51:35 pm
My theory on Williams or Amherst getting that bid over Suffolk was based on what I think will happen not on what I think should happen.

From my limited time following all of this I have noticed that the NCAA does what they does.

2005--Two at large teams--1 NESCAC & 1 LEC
2006--Two at large teams--1 NESCAC & 1 LEC
2007--Two at large teams--1 NESCAC & 1 LEC

my bad grammar above was intended.


Those are excellent points. That being said, I think this is the first year since 2005 that Suffolk has a team that can actually earn an at-large bid... in both 2006 and 2007, the at-large bids were given to the favorites. IIRC, the only team who even had an argument in either of those years was Babson last season. This year, the committee put Suffolk before Williams and Amherst in last week's rankings, and if Suffolk can win 2 of their 3 remaining games (which I think is likely) to finish 30-11, I don't think they'll drop behind Amherst or Williams in the at-large chase.

Of course, this could all change if either of those teams can knock off Trinity. If that happens, all bets are off.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on May 06, 2008, 06:13:36 pm
The GNAC
Are you kidding me? Suffolk... I'm sure the committee will look long and hard at an Endicott victory. They better win twice against St. Joes. Come on...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: C2islegit on May 06, 2008, 07:07:20 pm
There is no way Amherst or Williams deserves an at-large. After an LEC team takes one of the Pool C bids, the next would be either Suffolk, and if not them, most likely Roger Williams. If neither of those two, I would take Babson over any other NESCAC team. Even after losing 5 of their last 6, Babson still has 25 in region wins and beat both Suffolk and Amherst. If Roger Williams got snubbed, you can still make a case for Babson over the NESCAC 2nd place team.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 06, 2008, 07:21:39 pm
The GNAC
Are you kidding me? Suffolk... I'm sure the committee will look long and hard at an Endicott victory. They better win twice against St. Joes. Come on...

Do you even know how the committee works? Take a look at last week's rankings. Where's Suffolk ranked? 5th. Who's ahead of them? Trinity, Wheaton, and the two LEC teams. Assuming Trinity wins the NESCAC (not a stretch), and one of Keene/ECSU wins the LEC (again, not a stretch), that leaves Suffolk and the other LEC team one and two in the at-large rankings.

Suffolk followed last week's ranking with a 3-0 week thus far, and like I said earlier, have a realistic shot at going 5-1 or 6-0. St. Joe's will be resting their arms, whereas Suffolk is going to throw their #1 and #2 arms.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on May 06, 2008, 09:20:37 pm
GNAC......
What I meant was that Suffolk shouldn't be counting on the Endicott game for consideration for an at-large bid.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 06, 2008, 09:26:31 pm
GNAC......
What I meant was that Suffolk shouldn't be counting on the Endicott game for consideration for an at-large bid.

I agree, but at the same time beating Endicott and splitting with St. Joe's should still get them in. That would give them a 5-1 week, and push their in-region record to 27-10 (.729). Last year, Keene State (a Pool C qualifier) went 25-11 in-region, for a winning percentage of .694. As long as they don't drop both games to St. Joe's, I still think Suffolk and the other LEC team should get the bids.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 06, 2008, 09:41:41 pm
Just realized I made a mistake in my last post, as I misread Keene's in-region record. They were actually 21-9, good for a .700 winning percentage. Doesn't change my point, but for posterity's sake, I'd like to be as accurate as possible.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dubbc on May 06, 2008, 09:57:10 pm
GNAC...
You have made some good points on an at large bid for suffolk and Id have to agree with you... Here is some more info to consider, the number of quality opponents suffolk has played is right up there with any team in NE. A team should not be penalized for scheduling the best available teams in the region day in day out.  Of their 10 loses 6 of them are to teams that have already clinched a tourney bid and 2 of the other ones are to ECONN and TCNJ (most likely will both receive bids)
If you look at both williams and amherts schedule the number or quality in region opponents is not even close to Suffolk or even Roger Williams for that matter.  I'd put both of the ahead of those nescac teams. (granted everything could change this weekend... looking forward to it

on another note, c2 can we please put babson to bed for they year.... they have no shot at an at large bid with they way they folded down the stretch, good year but should not even be considered
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on May 08, 2008, 06:55:57 pm
Suffolk lost two today to St. Joes.  That just strengthens the case for a 2nd NESCAC team or a 3rd LEC team.  Or both.  Williams, Amherst, ECSU, and USM all have to be very happy to see those losses.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 08, 2008, 07:43:07 pm
Suffolk lost two today to St. Joes.  That just strengthens the case for a 2nd NESCAC team or a 3rd LEC team.  Or both.  Williams, Amherst, ECSU, and USM all have to be very happy to see those losses.


Yes: USM likes to see that: as well as them beating Eastern 14-3 today...
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on May 08, 2008, 07:53:18 pm
The 31 wins, beating ECSU so badly and the Suffolk losses should move USM up in the rankings. There are three very, very good teams playing in Keene in the LEC Tournament. KSC, USM and ECSU and they all deserve to compete at the regionals.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 08, 2008, 08:33:04 pm
Yeah, I hate to say it, but I think Suffolk may have screwed themselves by dropping both games today. Although much of the selection is based on statistics, so we could see some surprises next week.

Anyway, I don't think Suffolk losing affects Williams or Amherst's chances of getting a bid - thy were ranked too low to leap over Suffolk, barring either of them beating Trinity, which isn't happening. However, Southern Maine has to be very happy to see Suffolk lose. Although the Huskies dropped both games head-to-head with Suffolk, they beat up on ECSU today, and one more win in the LEC tournament should secure them the 2nd at-large bid.

Right now, I think it breaks down like this for the at-large;

1. ECSU/Keene
2. USM
3. Suffolk
4. Amherst
5. Williams
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on May 08, 2008, 09:06:21 pm
Yeah, I hate to say it, but I think Suffolk may have screwed themselves by dropping both games today. Although much of the selection is based on statistics, so we could see some surprises next week.

Anyway, I don't think Suffolk losing affects Williams or Amherst's chances of getting a bid - thy were ranked too low to leap over Suffolk, barring either of them beating Trinity, which isn't happening. However, Southern Maine has to be very happy to see Suffolk lose. Although the Huskies dropped both games head-to-head with Suffolk, they beat up on ECSU today, and one more win in the LEC tournament should secure them the 2nd at-large bid.

Right now, I think it breaks down like this for the at-large;

1. ECSU/Keene
2. USM
3. Suffolk
4. Amherst
5. Williams
Three bids to the LEC? Is that possible?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 08, 2008, 09:12:27 pm
Wouldn't surprise me, since they're the most deserving.

FYI, there's talk of the CWIW in the Midwest getting 3-4 at-large bids, and that's just one conference.

Definitely a possibility all three of those teams are playing in a regional next week.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: OshDude on May 08, 2008, 09:21:06 pm
Wouldn't surprise me, since they're the most deserving.

FYI, there's talk of the CWIW in the Midwest getting 3-4 at-large bids, and that's just one conference.

Definitely a possibility all three of those teams are playing in a regional next week.
If you're thinking of the Central Region's CCIW, there are only two at-large contenders and with one AQ: Carthage, Illinois Wesleyan and Augustana. One of those will get the Pool A, another will get a Pool C and the other will be on the bubble.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 08, 2008, 09:22:32 pm
Ah, I must've misread that, then. Isn't Wheaton (Ill.) also in contention?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: OshDude on May 08, 2008, 09:27:12 pm
Ah, I must've misread that, then. Isn't Wheaton (Ill.) also in contention?
Very, very good team, but Wheaton isn't in the running. The Thunder need to win the CCIW.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on May 08, 2008, 11:38:31 pm
A post on the LEC board asked who would be the one to beat Trinity.  I would like to remind you who ended the last 30+ game winning streak by a Trinity team. 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: RedDevils36 on May 09, 2008, 04:42:17 pm
How about another LEC Tourney win over KSC by USM, 8-4? 

I'm pretty sure USM has all but sealed their fate with that win, regardless of a tourney championship.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on May 09, 2008, 07:14:49 pm
GNAC, I am obviously biased toward Williams, but why do you insist on saying Amherst has a better chance at an at large over Williams every time.  Amherst's best wins are a DH sweep of St. Joes and Keene St, while Williams has wins over Keene, RPI, and So Maine.  Also Williams has 24 wins to 22 for Amherst.  Finally, Williams won the NESCAC West title.  Amherst did win the head-to-head, which is big, but Williams holds the advantage in everywhere else.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 09, 2008, 07:58:59 pm
Rick, I'm just going with the regional rankings. Amherst is ranked ahead of Williams, therefore, pending an Amherst loss to Williams, they will receive the bid before Williams. Only reason -- I haven't seen either team play in person, and based on what I know of both teams I'd say Williams is the better ballclub. However, all that matters is what the committee is thinking, and right now they're leading towards Amherst.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on May 09, 2008, 10:01:05 pm
The regional ranking may hold importance when determining an at large, but I get the sense that they do not hold as much water when ranking the teams within the regional.  I am pretty sure Williams was 4th or 5th in NE going into the regional last year, but were given the 3 seed.  That is why I am slightly skeptical of regional rankings.  Do you have any knowledge of similar situations?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 09, 2008, 10:45:32 pm
The regional ranking may hold importance when determining an at large, but I get the sense that they do not hold as much water when ranking the teams within the regional.  I am pretty sure Williams was 4th or 5th in NE going into the regional last year, but were given the 3 seed.  That is why I am slightly skeptical of regional rankings.  Do you have any knowledge of similar situations?

Williams was ranked 3rd in New England in the 3rd and final regional rankiing in 2007.

http://www.d3sports.com/dailydose/2007/05/10/ncaa-regional-rankings-third-release/

The regional rankings are the most important aspect of the process. These rankings are the ones submitted to the NCAA National Selection Committee. They list the at-large teams, and right now Suffolk, Southern Maine, and Amherst are ahead of Williams. In order for that to change, I really think Williams with have to knock off Trinity and/or win the NESCAC in order for them to move ahead of the teams in front of them.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2008, 10:48:49 pm
The regional ranking may hold importance when determining an at large, but I get the sense that they do not hold as much water when ranking the teams within the regional.  I am pretty sure Williams was 4th or 5th in NE going into the regional last year, but were given the 3 seed.  That is why I am slightly skeptical of regional rankings.  Do you have any knowledge of similar situations?
We do not see the final regional ranking that occurs after all of the teams in the region are finished and before the Selection committee begins its deliberations.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 09, 2008, 11:00:41 pm
An interesting situation is brewing in Keene tomorrow.

Here is the question I pose to you D3'ers;

Tomorrow, Southern Maine will take on Keene State for the LEC title, and the automatic bid that accompanies it. What happens if Keene beats USM twice to take the conference? That would give KSC the automatic bid, and leave a lot of questions for the committee regarding the 2nd at-large bid.

By losing twice, does Southern Maine hurt it's chances for a Pool C? I say no, as knocking off Econn and KSC tin a span of two days IMO guarantees them the first at-large bid in the region.

That leaves Eastern, Suffolk, and Amherst battling for that last at-large bid. How will the committee view Suffolk's dropping two to GNAC champ St. Joe's? Will they drop Conn for going 1-2 in the LEC tournament? What happens if Amherst knocks off Trinity but then loses in the NESCAC tournament?

The next few days are shaping up to be pretty interesting for New England.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on May 09, 2008, 11:39:08 pm
Your're right GNAC .. interesting happenings in Keene. Econn went 2-2 in the LEC tourney. How the committee looks at this is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 09, 2008, 11:46:19 pm
Your're right GNAC .. interesting happenings in Keene. Econn went 2-2 in the LEC tourney. How the committee looks at this is anyone's guess.

My fault, you're right. Still, I think most people expected TEE to at least reach the championship game. Should be a very interesting day on Sunday.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on May 10, 2008, 06:27:55 am
NESCAC teams really screw themselves for atlarge bids because of their scheduling limitations. Not being able to play the full 40 games really makes their resumes look a lot weaker.

Williams has the inside track to overtake Amherst. They could definitely face each other, and that could be the X factor. I give Williams the inside track because facing Tufts seems alot easier than facing Kiely and Trinity.

The weather is really going to hurt whatever NESCAC team(s) end up in the NCAAs. On Wednesday, NESCAC teams will have a pitcher going on 3 days rest. While Kiely is EXTREMELY impressive, I don't think he's ever done that before.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on May 10, 2008, 06:54:24 am
Bostonian
Weather in NE - gotta love it! That's the price you pay when tourneys are scheduled so close to regionals,finals and graduations. A lot of things can happen. Teams like Wheaton and Worcester have pitchers rsted and waiting while Keene and USM have to play 1 or 2 for the LEC title - weather permitting and NESMAC goes to Sunday. Trinity really doesn't need to use Kiely this weekend unless it is really important to stay undefeated.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on May 10, 2008, 09:30:38 am
Bostonian
Weather in NE - gotta love it! That's the price you pay when tourneys are scheduled so close to regionals,finals and graduations. A lot of things can happen. Teams like Wheaton and Worcester have pitchers rsted and waiting while Keene and USM have to play 1 or 2 for the LEC title - weather permitting and NESMAC goes to Sunday. Trinity really doesn't need to use Kiely this weekend unless it is really important to stay undefeated.
Good point. We always assume a team will use their ace in a tournament. What's the value of remaining undefeated vs. winning the first game in the regionals?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on May 10, 2008, 11:23:04 am
I think at this point for Trinity they have to start thier ace if they plan on using him at all in this tourney.  That will give at least three days rest for the regionals.  If they jump out to a lead they can limit his pitches and work the pen a little.  I don't think Kiely will not be over worked in this touney. Do you think the seeding for regional is important?  Being the #1 or #2 seed,  not sure it's that important.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: frank uible on May 10, 2008, 11:34:06 am
The rule of thumb is " always use your ace if he is ready". Al Lopez had an object lesson story to support that rule, in which for apparent good reason he had withheld a ready Herb Score, and the action proved that Lopez had outsmarted himself. If you don't recognize Lopez' and Score's names, that means you are not extremely old and don't know baseball history very well. If someone pleads, I will reiterate the story here.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Nuke LaLoosh on May 10, 2008, 06:07:57 pm
Tough day for Williams.

Amherst beat Williams 9-8 in extras in the losers bracket game, after Williams was up 8-4 heading to 8th.

Amherst plays Tufts tomorrow morning, with winner having to beat Trinity twice afterwards.

Trinity used Bayer in game 2, and he went 7 innings not allowing a run. Trinity has either Barnard or Regan to throw in championship game, while Amherst and Tufts will be pretty thin after their third games. Looks as if Trinity will be 37-0 heading to regionals.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on May 10, 2008, 07:29:40 pm
The rule of thumb is " always use your ace if he is ready". Al Lopez had an object lesson story to support that rule, in which for apparent good reason he had withheld a ready Herb Score, and the action proved that Lopez had outsmarted himself. If you don't recognize Lopez' and Score's names, that means you are not extremely old and don't know baseball history very well. If someone pleads, I will reiterate the story here.
I've heard of both but I'm not sure I heard the story.......plead, plead, plead.  Love baseball stories
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 10, 2008, 08:02:46 pm
Anybody care to speculate on the Pool C situation in New England? Southern Maine lost both of their games today to fall to 27-12 in-region, good for a .692 winning percentage. Compare that with Suffolk, who finished at 26-11 in-region, for a .703 winning percentage. Suffolk beat USM twice head-to-head, so this makes me think the committee will have a tough time justifying USM being ranked ahead of Suffolk on Sunday.

Then of course there is theE case of Eastern Connecticut.  EConn got bounced early in the LEC tourney, but they have been ranked high all year long, and I think even though they failed to make the LEC final, they should have an at-large bid locked up. I think they're the front-runner for the first Pool C bid from New England.

Which brings us to Amherst. Amherst lost 9-1 today to Trinity, and that's not a real big surprise. They then beat Williams, setting up tomorrow's game with Tufts. If they can get by the Jumbos, they will then need to beat Trinity twice to win the NESCAC. Suffice it to say this isn't likely to happen, but what if Amherst is able to win a game over the #1 team in the region? Do they jump ahead of USM and Suffolk for that second Pool C bid? Honestly, I have no idea.

Of course, there is also the possibility the committee will simply award just one Pool C bid to New England. I don't know the last time this happened, but I know in the last three years both the NESCAC and LEC have been awarded at-large bids. Essentially, the committee has a lot of decisions to make tomorrow, and there will be a lot of upset folks in New England no matter what they decide.

Also, I'm sure there's a lot of happy people in the EConn and Suffolk camps today.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on May 10, 2008, 09:49:38 pm
Honestly, I thought the 14-3 thumpimg of ECSU and the 8-4 win over KSU locked a bid for the Huskies.  Don't know if the two lopsided losses to Keene will take away from that or not.  I was glad to see KSU win the LEC and the automatic bid because now they don't need a Pool C, which they for sure would have gotten.  I think USM is setting pretty good for a Pool C if the committee doesn't frown on the two lopsided losses to KSU.  Then ECSU would be the next logical pick.  Regional losses have been to nothing but quality teams and for the most part NCAA potential regional teams.  With wins over teams, like Wheaton, Keene, Suffolk, USM. 
It is going to be a tough job for the committee but I think New England will get two Pool C's and I think it will be USM and ECSU.  Unless someone beats Trinity for the A bid.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: frank uible on May 10, 2008, 10:10:54 pm
DGil: The year is 1956 - the team is the Cleveland Indians. Al Lopez was the manager of the Indians from 1951 through 1956. Each of those years the Indians finished second in the AL except for 1954 when they won the pennant - some reputable commentatators considered the Indians of that period as the second best team in all of MLB behind you know whom. In 1955 Herb Score was a LHP for the Indians and the AL rookie of the year. He had a terrific fast ball and in 1956 was regarded by the consensus of authorities as the best LHP in the majors - mostly due the velocity of his number one. The other starting pitchers for the Indians that year were Bob Lemon, Early Wynn and Mike Garcia - all then aging greats (Lemon and Wynn being in Cooperstown now) - but Score was clearly the Indians ace and almost unhittable when he was right. The Indians faced a Sunday doubleheader at home (I don't remember against whom) - and Score was ready to pitch. Cleveland Municipal Stadium, the Indians home park, was situated during the baseball season so that the expanse between home plate and the mound was entirely in the sun early in the afternoon but was partly in the shade and partly in the sun in the late afternnon. Lopez wanted Score to have the advantage of throwing his fast ball from the sun into the shade and so held Score out from the first game in order to pitch him in  the second game of the doubleheader (again I don't remember whom Lopez pitched in the first game). The result was the Indians lost the first game, and the second game was a rain-out. I'll let you discover what happened to Score so that his name is barely remembered today.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on May 10, 2008, 11:03:03 pm
Well I knew what happen to Score and why his career was not what it could have been.   Score was a great prodigy that could or should have been an all time great HOF'er.  As my son is a Indians fan and me being a baseball nut who collects cards and loves baseball stories, even not so old ones as far as that go's. I talk to ECSU fans that have followed the team for a decade or so and love their take on the teams of the past as to the teams of the present, but I digress. Score was a lefty with a great fastball and I knew that he got hit in the face.  I do believe there was a Boston player who suffered a similar fate.  I don't remember all of this.

Compliments of Wikipedia:
Score came up as a rookie in 1955 with the Cleveland Indians. He quickly became one of the top power pitchers in the American League, no small feat on a team that still included Bob Feller, Bob Lemon and other top pitchers, going 16-10 with a 2.85 ERA in his first year. A left-hander, Score struck out 245 batters in his rookie year, a rookie record that stood until 1984, when it was topped by Dwight Gooden (Score, Gooden, Don Sutton, Gary Nolan, Kerry Wood, and Hideo Nomo were actually the only six rookie pitchers to top 200 strikeouts in the 20th century). Score actually topped himself in 1956, going 20-9 with a 2.53 ERA and 263 strikeouts, while reducing the number of walks from 154 to 129. He also allowed 5.85 hits/9 innings, which would stand as a franchise record low until it was broken by Luis Tiant's 5.30 in 1968.

1957-1958
On May 7, 1957, against the New York Yankees, Score was struck in the face by a line drive off the bat of Gil McDougald, breaking numerous bones in his face and leaving him quite bloodied. McDougald reportedly vowed to retire if Score was blinded as a result, but Score actually eventually recovered his 20/20 vision, though he missed the rest of the season. Score returned late in the 1958 season, but fearful of being hit by another batted ball, his pitching motion was altered, and he was never quite the same pitcher.

Later Career:
His velocity dropped and he became prone to injury as a result of the changed motion. Score pitched the full 1959 season, going 9-11 with a 4.71 ERA and 147 strikeouts. Score was traded to the Chicago White Sox after the season, and pitched parts of the subsequent three seasons before retiring. Score finished with a career record of 55-46 and a 3.36 ERA and 837 strikeouts over 8 seasons, in 858 1/3 innings pitched.

Broadcasting Career:
After retiring, Score served as an announcer on the Indians television broadcast from 1964-1967, and joined the radio broadcast, serving from 1968-1997. Score was revered by fans for his announcing style, including a low voice and a low-key style, as well as a habit of occasionally mispronouncing the names of players on opposing teams.

Score's final Major League Baseball game as play-by-play announcer was Game 7 of the 1997 World Series. He outlasted all other Indians play-by-play announcers to date.

Traffis Accident:
On October 8, 1998, while driving to Florida after being inducted into the Broadcasters Hall of Fame the night before, Score was severely injured in a traffic accident.[1] Score pulled into the path of a westbound tractor-trailer truck in New Philadelphia, Ohio; and his car was struck in the passenger side.[2] He suffered trauma to his brain, chest and lungs. The orbital bone around one of his eyes was broken as were three ribs and his sternum. He spent over a month in the intensive care unit, and was released from MetroHealth Hospital in mid-December.[3][4] He was cited for failure to stop at a stop sign.[5]

He fought through a difficult recovery and was healthy enough to throw out the first pitch at the Indians Opening Day on April 12, 1999.[6]

Lagacy:
In 1981, Lawrence Ritter and Donald Honig included him in their book The 100 Greatest Baseball Players of All Time. They explained what they called "the Smokey Joe Wood Syndrome," where a player of truly exceptional talent but a career curtailed by injury should still, in spite of not having had career statistics that would quantitatively rank him with the all-time greats, be included on their list of the 100 greatest players. In the book's introduction, they used this as their reason why Score, with 55 career wins, was on their list, while Early Wynn, who won 300 games, all in the post-1920 Live Ball Era, was not.

Now we know why he was barely remembered but that still doesn't tell us what happened to the game that was rained-out? 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: RedDevils36 on May 11, 2008, 04:19:21 pm
The 106th season of the Portland Twilight League is upon us, based out of Portland, Maine.

Portland Twilight Baseball League tryouts will take place on Sunday, May 18th at 10AM. They will be held at the Frozen Ropes Training Center. Any interested in trying out will need to pay a $10 and pre-register (either now or upon arrival). You may obtain a pre-registration sheet at Frozen Ropes in Westbrook. A draft will take place at 2PM the same day and you will be contacted by your coach/manager.

Anyone who has graduated High School is eligible to tryout. The majority of our players are between 18-25, but there are still older players sprinkled throughout the league.

Anyone living in the Sanford area (Biddeford and south essentially) may send me a private message and I will forward your information to the General Manager of the team. Same goes for anyone living north of Lewiston (I believe they are having their own tryout).

If you have any questions about the league, feel free to email me.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 11, 2008, 07:29:50 pm
Thanks Frank and Dgilblair.  +1!

I had a "Field of Dreams" moment there recalling Herb Score.

Baseball has the best stories!

Take home lesson...

There are very few things better in life than enjoying a baseball game with your Dad, (or watching your kids play).

You won't know how much you miss your dad until he is gone.   :)

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on May 11, 2008, 08:43:41 pm
Thanks Frank and Dgilblair.  +1!

I had a "Field of Dreams" moment there recalling Herb Score.

Baseball has the best stories!

Take home lesson...

There are very few things better in life than enjoying a baseball game with your Dad, (or watching your kids play).

You won't know how much you miss your dad until he is gone.   :)



Frank deserves most of the credit for that, but thanks. 

Nice take home lesson on top of +1 karma. 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: frank uible on May 12, 2008, 12:17:07 am
Ralph, you are welcome. DGil, I believe the Red Sox player was Tony Conigliaro. I'll let a Red Sox fan  tell the story.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2008, 12:37:14 am
Ralph, you are welcome. DGil, I believe the Red Sox player was Tony Conigliaro. I'll let a Red Sox fan tell the story.
Tony_Conigliaro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/)

Oh yes......

That ranks up there with Eight Belles and Joe Theisman for pornographic* calamitous injuries in sporting events.   I haven't looked to see if the film clip is on youtube! :-\

* "you know it when you see it"
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: frank uible on May 12, 2008, 06:10:19 am
For the ultimate in on-field MLB tragedies google "Ray Chapman".
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on May 12, 2008, 07:41:00 am
For the ultimate in on-field MLB tragedies google "Ray Chapman".
There's a book called "the Pitch that Killed" by Mike Sowell that really puts a human being to this statistic.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: DIII Dad on May 12, 2008, 07:21:59 pm
I believe the pitcher that got hit with the line drive back at him from the Red Sox was Bryce Florie. Was watching that game and woke my wife up to tell her. She saw the replays and it didn't make her feel to good considering our son is a pitcher.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on May 20, 2008, 10:48:00 pm
I have enjoyed what d3baseball.com has done for publicity for division 3 baseball.  Especially in New England.  The all-american rankings they coem up with are fun as well.  I have to say, however- that this years rankings are a travesty.

My count may be off, I don't know.  I think I counted 56 players in total named to 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Honorable Mention.  A whopping 5 players from New England were named.  Are you kidding me?  I am sorry, but the averages need to be considered.  There are teams out West that are playing more games, further spread out and the scores are higher, warmer weather vs weak pitching.  I would line up a team of 9 New England players that should be on that list.

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: OshDude on May 20, 2008, 11:18:29 pm
I have enjoyed what d3baseball.com has done for publicity for division 3 baseball.  Especially in New England.  The all-american rankings they coem up with are fun as well.  I have to say, however- that this years rankings are a travesty.

My count may be off, I don't know.  I think I counted 56 players in total named to 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Honorable Mention.  A whopping 5 players from New England were named.  Are you kidding me?  I am sorry, but the averages need to be considered.  There are teams out West that are playing more games, further spread out and the scores are higher, warmer weather vs weak pitching.  I would line up a team of 9 New England players that should be on that list.
Could be worse ... the Midwest had four players.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 21, 2008, 12:01:52 am
Kinda makes you wonder who was nominated from your nine players, soxfan.

Eight regions, 59 players -- the average region would in theory have seven. It's a fairly exclusive list. We're not putting four outfielders or two utility players or two catchers or two second basemen on a team. Those are just some examples of what the coaches association New England team has.

D3sports.com doesn't work that way. Does it mean that our people have to make a lot of tough calls when All-American time comes around? You bet. But we don't duck tough decisions.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on May 21, 2008, 10:45:54 am
I was hoping that Trin would get more than one.  Obviously Kiely was a first-teamer, and I thought should have been pitcher of the year.  I was hoping that Wood, Killeen, Graham, Regan, Bayer, or Barnard would get at least Hon Mention.

On the NE getting the shaft bit, what really hurt the regions numbers was the lack of big numbers from EConn.  Hate em or love em they spit out players with big time numbers and they often grab two or three slots on those teams.  Gilblair's injury and Castillo's numbers sliding slightly are what hurt NE more.  That said, I still would have liked to see more than one player from a 41-0 team get some love.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on May 21, 2008, 11:15:53 am
Rick Vaughn.
I can't agree more.... Trinity being 41-0, going through NE like they did and the regional... there's got to be more than one. Nationally, hopefully this weekend, Trinity will show how well rounded they are beyond Kiely. He deserves it, but I think the country will get to see more of what made them 41-0 this year.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: YagsUMB on May 21, 2008, 04:35:59 pm
Wood and Graham undoubtedly deserved at least honorable mention accolades. Hopefully they see this and it motivates them to take the National Championship back to NE. Not that they need any more motivation. They really got hosed with that Cortland draw but I guess they are doing everything by region, so they knew what they were in for. A win in that first game and they should have the confidence to keep rolling through the weekend.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 21, 2008, 05:00:53 pm
Trinity actually had 7 players that received votes which is a testament  that it was not just one player who carried the team.  Compare this to the other teams ranked in the top 11 spots in the Top 25.  Five for Chapman, Kean, and Johns Hopkins with four for UW-Whitewater and Cortland. 

The team concept is alive and well in Conn. and is recognized as such by our panel.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on May 21, 2008, 07:07:52 pm
To the baseball gods that know more than i do, is there any possible draft picks out of d3 NE this year?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Bostonian on May 21, 2008, 07:28:59 pm
Kiely will get drafted or sign a minor league deal if not drafted.

If Trinity got hosed by not having Wood or Graham get on the list, Steve Ragonese should be pretty upset as he was the NESCAC player of the year and didn't get a sniff either.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on May 21, 2008, 07:47:16 pm
I have a few theories about why New England kids may be at a slight disadvantage when it comes to national honors.

1.  Most teams go on a spring trip in March and then season is basically April 1st to the first week in May.  That is about 6 weeks of games.  The games are so bunched together that it is VERY hard for pitchers to pitch as many innings as guys in the south and west (and even parts of the mid atlantic).  This hurts hitters too, I think it is tough put up those numbers every day with playing 7-8 games and week where it is easier to put up numbers with playing 4-5 games per week (I know I am arguing both sides here since it is a zero sum game, meaning if it is harder for the pitchers and harder for the hitters it is then harder for neither, but I think it may play a role).  Pitcher of the year Kenny Moreland started 13 games and pitched 100 innings, if a new england kid pitched that much he'd have to be throwing a complete game every time out and doing it on 3 days rest (guessing, i didn't really do the math).

Another way that this factors in is with a kid getting banged up.  Say a kid from Chapman (first California team I thought of) fouls a ball of his ankle really badly and is banged up.  It happened in the 8th inning of Sunday's game.  Coach says, "hey just stay off the ankle for 4 days"  That kid misses 1 game (and possibly none).  In New England that kid missing those days could miss up to 3-4 games.  And what is more likely to happen is that he will just play through it and possibly hamper him for a longer time.

2.  Weather factors in again.  Teams go south or west and play against teams that are in full swing.  They aren't going to win that many games and also not put up huge batting averages, ERAs, or wins for pitchers.  A pitcher comes back from spring break with a 1-1 record and a 5.30 ERA that hurts them all year long.  The 8 teams (I through out trinity since they were undefeated for the season and 1-0 on spring break) that made the NCAA tournament were 44-41 on their spring trips this year.

3.  In this one I am coming after the New England posters here.  Get out there, talk about new england baseball.  I don't have time, or access to really determine this with facts but, I think you will notice that on national boards there are a lot more people posting and talking about kids from other regions.  I am guessing that a lot of people that vote read these boards.  Nothing wrong with talking guys up (facts based, not "this guy is nasty").  You get someone's name out there it may help (or not help, these are just theories) when it comes time for those voters to vote.   

Just my thoughts, thought throw it out there and see what people think.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 21, 2008, 08:48:52 pm
3.  In this one I am coming after the New England posters here.  Get out there, talk about new england baseball.  I don't have time, or access to really determine this with facts but, I think you will notice that on national boards there are a lot more people posting and talking about kids from other regions.  I am guessing that a lot of people that vote read these boards.  Nothing wrong with talking guys up (facts based, not "this guy is nasty").  You get someone's name out there it may help (or not help, these are just theories) when it comes time for those voters to vote.   

Posters should not have any impact on an All-American team. That's just misguided.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on May 21, 2008, 09:26:04 pm
I have a few theories about why New England kids may be at a slight disadvantage when it comes to national honors.

1.  Most teams go on a spring trip in March and then season is basically April 1st to the first week in May.  That is about 6 weeks of games.  The games are so bunched together that it is VERY hard for pitchers to pitch as many innings as guys in the south and west (and even parts of the mid atlantic).  This hurts hitters too, I think it is tough put up those numbers every day with playing 7-8 games and week where it is easier to put up numbers with playing 4-5 games per week (I know I am arguing both sides here since it is a zero sum game, meaning if it is harder for the pitchers and harder for the hitters it is then harder for neither, but I think it may play a role).  Pitcher of the year Kenny Moreland started 13 games and pitched 100 innings, if a new england kid pitched that much he'd have to be throwing a complete game every time out and doing it on 3 days rest (guessing, i didn't really do the math).

Another way that this factors in is with a kid getting banged up.  Say a kid from Chapman (first California team I thought of) fouls a ball of his ankle really badly and is banged up.  It happened in the 8th inning of Sunday's game.  Coach says, "hey just stay off the ankle for 4 days"  That kid misses 1 game (and possibly none).  In New England that kid missing those days could miss up to 3-4 games.  And what is more likely to happen is that he will just play through it and possibly hamper him for a longer time.

2.  Weather factors in again.  Teams go south or west and play against teams that are in full swing.  They aren't going to win that many games and also not put up huge batting averages, ERAs, or wins for pitchers.  A pitcher comes back from spring break with a 1-1 record and a 5.30 ERA that hurts them all year long.  The 8 teams (I through out trinity since they were undefeated for the season and 1-0 on spring break) that made the NCAA tournament were 44-41 on their spring trips this year.

3.  In this one I am coming after the New England posters here.  Get out there, talk about new england baseball.  I don't have time, or access to really determine this with facts but, I think you will notice that on national boards there are a lot more people posting and talking about kids from other regions.  I am guessing that a lot of people that vote read these boards.  Nothing wrong with talking guys up (facts based, not "this guy is nasty").  You get someone's name out there it may help (or not help, these are just theories) when it comes time for those voters to vote.   

Just my thoughts, thought throw it out there and see what people think.

Paul

Chapman schedule, never more than 3 games a week.  One stretch of 13 days between games, one of 11,8,7,6. 

ECSU schedule, played 3 games in a week only two times.  The first week of the season and the last week of the regular season because of a rainout against Tufts with no time to reschedule.  The remaining weeks included two weeks of 4 games and four weeks of 5 games.  This includes a stretch of 9 games in eight days in California.

Both teams play tough schedules.

There are two trains of thought as far as how many games you play in a week.  SOme say it is better to play more games a week for hitters because you can get into more of a rhythm and stroke. Pitchers get used on a regular basis and more get time, making your bullpen stonger and giving you extra starters come post season.

Others say its easier for hitters to focus on just a 3 game a week schedule.  If you don't feel up to par or you just have a bad week it's only 3 games not 5 or sometimes 6,7.  You only need 3 good starters and a good bullpen.  Work the pen correctly and you will have a 4th starter by the end of the year come post season play.

Now, I guess you can make an argument for either way.  You mention the injury bug and for sure the short week would help there.  I also think the weather is a big factor as far as stats.  More on the offensive side.

Personally somewhere in the middle of the two would probably be perfect.  Say 4 games a week for everyone from one set date to the other. That will never happen so I would have to lean to the Chapman schedule as being better.

Don't know if any of the selection commitees really care what us posters think.  If you have to lobby that hard for your guy he probably doesn't have the numbers to warrant an AA award anyway.  But I guess it never hurts to have a extra voice out there.  Now if you can get all the gurus like Jim, Pat and Ralph pushing for you it might help.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on May 21, 2008, 09:50:03 pm

Posters should not have any impact on an All-American team. That's just misguided.

I don't think that posting has a huge effect on the voting (or any at all actually).  I just think that it helps to get peoples names out there.  and maybe I was just trying to rally the troops or new england posters to get out there and post more.  Things have actually really picked up in the new england posting area.  heck on February 14th 2007 (I looked up the day) I started this general new england thread because there really wasn't any activity on the boards overall.  Now the Harwich regional page from this year has 14 pages of posts.  that is cool.

Wow, I started a message board thread on Valentines Day, at 7:14 pm no less.  That is rough.

Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2008, 10:44:03 pm
3.  In this one I am coming after the New England posters here.  Get out there, talk about new england baseball.  I don't have time, or access to really determine this with facts but, I think you will notice that on national boards there are a lot more people posting and talking about kids from other regions.  I am guessing that a lot of people that vote read these boards.  Nothing wrong with talking guys up (facts based, not "this guy is nasty").  You get someone's name out there it may help (or not help, these are just theories) when it comes time for those voters to vote.   
Posters should not have any impact on an All-American team. That's just misguided.
I agree that "talking up" players is not a behavior that I want to encourage.

As for New England players getting their fair representation on the All-American teams,  I see that you got a representative from Trinity CT, Southern Maine, KSC, Curry and Wheaton MA.  That is five teams in four different conferences.  I think that the voters clearly looked that the performers across the region and tried to give a fair assessment of what that performance meant on a national basis.

I honestly believe that these sites will make fans more familiar with the quality teams, conferences and programs around the country.  I think that the "name programs" may be judged more critically, and the lesser known programs of quality will have a chance to gain the limelight.

As this site allows us to pick up video links, radio broadcasts and "live stats" more easily, the D3 baseball community will become more knowledgeable.  That had definitely become the case on the football and hoops sites and boards.

The momentum is building.  Let's watch it!   :)
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jcon8958 on May 22, 2008, 02:47:06 pm
Does anybody see any players coming out of New England that are going to be drafted come next week?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on May 22, 2008, 05:12:31 pm
NESCAC guys:  Kiely and Pinto have the best chance.  Pinto's success last summer in the NECBL will give him at least a shot of being picked up. 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: YagsUMB on May 22, 2008, 08:51:47 pm
Kiely will go between the 30th and 50th round. I know thats a lot of room for error but that is directly from a scout's mouth in Harwich. His teammate SS Thomas DiBenedetto will get drafted because his father is a minority owner of the Red Sox and its been made clear that the plan is to draft him and give him a shot in the minors. RHP Chandler Bardnard might get a shot in the late rounds too. With the Red Sox ties with the Bantams, maybe they'll take a few Trinity players. Unlikely but possible.

LHP Chris Anderson, WNEC, has a shot to go in the late rounds. Scouts in Harwich were upset that the MLB scouting burrough hadn't found this kid until late in the season. He's 6'4" 215lbs with a 87-89mph fastball and good breaking stuff. Worth a late round pick.

OF Anthony D'Alfonso, Southern Maine, might get a sniff but he's only a JR and hitters in DIII won't go as JRs unless they are exceptional players. He's 6'5" 235lbs so he's got the size and power but another year will help his case. 1B Nate Nelson, Worcester State, is 6'5" 290lbs and can rip. It'll be interesting to see if he gets a shot.

I think RHP Nicky Conway, UMass Boston, has a shot to go in the late rounds too. I know the White Sox, Astros, and a few others have inquired. He can get outs and he's a ballsy competitor. He's a perfect middle reliever in the minors and could develop into a real tough pitcher out of the pen.

I'm sure there could be other surprises like Lavorgna was last year and Dzubia (Babson) was a few years back.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: EasternCtFan on May 22, 2008, 10:29:24 pm
I think we are throwing some of these names out there too lightly. Kiely will definitly go. If we are going to throw out names how about Melvin Castillo and Joe Esposito of Eastern. I like Conway he was a good college pitcher and realize he played for a bad team but I dont see him pitching minor league ball.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: YagsUMB on May 23, 2008, 01:12:58 am
I don't believe Melvin Castillo is even draft eligible. He's only a sophomore. He is also going to be 24 years old in June. 2 months older than BJ Upton.

If scouts had a chance to look at Joe Esposito at his very best, there is no doubt in my mind that someone would take a chance on him. After his freshman year, we all thought he would be the next Joey Serfass and would automatically get drafted or signed by a big league team. Unfortunately, Coach Holowaty self-admittingly overused him while he had shoulder soreness his sophomore year. That seemed to ruin his JR year a little bit and he finally came back around this year to be the pitcher everyone expected him to be. I faced Joe when he was a freshman in the 1st game of a doubleheader. He was lights out. Serfass threw the next game, and wasn't as impressive although he still shut us down.  Serfass was a SR that year. Joe Esposito was done wrong by his coaching staff, in my opinion. It happens sometimes. That being said, when he is at full health he's as good as anyone in NE. He deserves a shot but health concerns might spoil it for him.

I don't think I threw anyone's name out there lightly. MLB teams have definitely inquired about Nick Conway if that is your argument. DiBenedetto will get drafted or signed by the Red Sox, TRUST ME!

Anderson is a work in progress and scouts who were there to see Kiely in Harwich were extremely impressed with his size and presence. D'Alfonso would be a reach this year but I stated that. Have you seen Nate Nelson? He can mash and has the size (6'5" 290lbs...with some agility) that is intriguing to teams. We'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on May 23, 2008, 08:25:56 am
There are 50 rounds in the draft - anything is possible, there are countless players and in particular pitchers who can throw strikes, not give up the long ball, some teams can take a flyer on. Each team has 6-7 minor league affiliates they can filter them threw. Don't forget that we posteers on D3 have to consider the players in D1 & 2 as well. Juco players and high schoolers. Heck some teams don't even draft some players but have scouts talk to players about non-drafting invites to a camp/instructional league. The best thing you can do is sit back and enjoy the rumor mill about who is going to get drafted, and then wait and see how it plays out. There are scouts at all kinds of games, tourneys, and camps looking for that solid player and maybe a diamond in the rough. Just like the quote from that all-time baseball movie - "Angels in the Outfield" - "It could happen" - Anyone could get drafted. It's all about timing.
 
In NE .. we tend to fall in love with our players. But when you stack them up against the rest of D1, D2, Jucos, and high schoolers - they really have to be special.  I, too, think Esposito could help out some team. You can never have enough pitching. However, Nate Nelson may have an uphill climb because there are many big - power hitting first baseman out there. Unless they use him as a dh.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on May 23, 2008, 02:03:47 pm
Castillo being 24 has no impact on being draft eligible this year.  It just means that he would have been a draft eligible freshman.  It also means that teams are less likely to take a 24 year old than an 21 year old with similar abilities.  Agreed with DiBenedetto getting drafted somewhere, or at least given a shot.

Anderson should definitely get picked up.  Six foot six lefty.  Boom.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: YagsUMB on May 23, 2008, 03:36:01 pm
That was my point when I pointed out Castillo's age. I don't think he'll ever get drafted based on how old he is. Jeff Francoeur is 24.

I never realized that you could be drafted after you turn 21 regardless of your class in college. Good call.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on May 23, 2008, 04:38:13 pm
I don't believe Melvin Castillo is even draft eligible. He's only a sophomore. He is also going to be 24 years old in June. 2 months older than BJ Upton.

If scouts had a chance to look at Joe Esposito at his very best, there is no doubt in my mind that someone would take a chance on him. After his freshman year, we all thought he would be the next Joey Serfass and would automatically get drafted or signed by a big league team. Unfortunately, Coach Holowaty self-admittingly overused him while he had shoulder soreness his sophomore year. That seemed to ruin his JR year a little bit and he finally came back around this year to be the pitcher everyone expected him to be. I faced Joe when he was a freshman in the 1st game of a doubleheader. He was lights out. Serfass threw the next game, and wasn't as impressive although he still shut us down.  Serfass was a SR that year. Joe Esposito was done wrong by his coaching staff, in my opinion. It happens sometimes. That being said, when he is at full health he's as good as anyone in NE. He deserves a shot but health concerns might spoil it for him.

I don't think I threw anyone's name out there lightly. MLB teams have definitely inquired about Nick Conway if that is your argument. DiBenedetto will get drafted or signed by the Red Sox, TRUST ME!

Anderson is a work in progress and scouts who were there to see Kiely in Harwich were extremely impressed with his size and presence. D'Alfonso would be a reach this year but I stated that. Have you seen Nate Nelson? He can mash and has the size (6'5" 290lbs...with some agility) that is intriguing to teams. We'll have to wait and see.

Yags, you might be mis-remembering that 05 season.  My guess is you were with part of that harem you had there in Boston the night before.

Serfass was done in 04.  It must have been DiPietro with Espo in 05.  DiPietro did go on to get drafted after his Jr year in 05 by the Royals....I think in the sixth round.  Boy I wish he was there with us in 06, might have been able to spend an extra day or two in Appleton.

You must have a good in with Coach H.  You might be mis-remembering again though or maybe Coach is.  Espo threw 36 innings in 06.  He work out of the pen a lot (16 APP) and had six starts.  Don't remember him having any shoulder problems ever.  His only problem the last three years  has been a wierd back thing that comes and go's.  Actually it flared up once this year for about a week and that was it.  In 06 and early 07 it was a continuing on and off problem.  SO I don't think you should be throwing the ECSU coaching staff under the bus as far as Espo is concerned.  I actually thought he had a chance for a huge 08 season and shot at big post season awards.  I hope he gets a shot at the next level.  Great kid.   
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: YagsUMB on May 23, 2008, 07:25:30 pm
Talked to Holowaty in Arizona last year, during a UMB game and after ECSU had just played. He told me that he shouldn't have used Espo as much the prior year. He said he would always ask him if he was completely healthy and, being a competitor, the kid would always say he was fine. Athletes do that. Holowaty told me he knew something was wrong and wished he had put him on the shelf. HOLOWATY, himself, told me he kicked himself in the ass after the season. Its not a big deal. It probably wasn't the first and won't be the last.

I have a decent repoire with Coach Holowaty, having been recruited by him and having played against him. I talk to him casually when I see him, but he never came to visit me in Boston for a night of debachery, if thats what you're implying.

I thought it was a shoulder but the back sounds right. Nevertheless, he overused him considering the injury. It happens man. Sometimes a coaching staff listens to a kid when they should go on the information given to them by other sources (Trainers, catchers, pitching coaches, etc.). Every long time coach has done it. I know you realize that.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on May 23, 2008, 10:16:33 pm
I really appreciate the fact that I can hear these games online, but if you are gonna send someone all the way to Wisconsin I would assume they would be slightly better than what Trin sent out there. 
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on May 24, 2008, 09:05:38 am

 Sometimes a coaching staff listens to a kid when they should go on the information given to them by other sources (Trainers, catchers, pitching coaches, etc.). Every long time coach has done it. I know you realize that.

Your right on with that Yags.  Happens all to often I'm sure.  Coach probably would have enjoyed a visit to your harem up there in bean town.  That is if he didn't have the lovely wife Jan.  The women is a Saint.
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on May 29, 2008, 05:39:11 pm
Does anybody see any players coming out of New England that are going to be drafted come next week?

Baseball America rates Kiely as the 14th ranked prospect from lower New England (Connecticut & Rhode Island)
Even though me is from Mass, he is listed by where he attended college.  See below.  Some players had write ups about them (even some rated lower than Kiely) but he did not

NATIONAL TOP 200 PROSPECTS

1. Anthony Hewitt, ss/of, Salisbury (Conn.) School (National Rank: 41)
2. Ryan Westmoreland, of, Portsmouth (R.I.) HS (National Rank: 113)
3. Ryan Lavarnway, c/of, Yale (National Rank: 186)

OTHER PROSPECTS OF NOTE

4. Chris Dwyer, lhp, Salisbury (Conn.) School
5. Jason Esposito, 3b, Amity HS, Woodbridge, Conn.
6. Chris Gloor, lhp, Quinnipiac
7. Jim Fuller, lhp, Southern Connecticut State
8. Will Jolin, rhp, Guilford (Conn.) HS
9. George Springer, of, Avon (Conn.) Old Farms School
10. Brian Irving, rhp, Yale
11. David Erickson, rhp, Connecticut
13. Steve Gilman, rhp, Yale
14. Tim Kiely, rhp, Trinity (Conn.)
15. Brett Anderson, ss, Eastern HS, Bristol, Conn.
16. Erik Turgeon, rhp, Connecticut
17. Liam Ohlmann, rhp, Manchester (Conn.) JC
18. Anthony Meo, rhp, Cranston (R.I.) West HS
19. Matt Barnes, rhp, Bethel (Conn.) HS
20. Josh Cox, of, Yale
21. Mike Diaz, ss, Southern Connecticut State
22. Taylor Lewis, of, Montville (Conn.) HS
23. Zach Zaneski, c, Rhode Island
24. Matt Nuzzo, ss, Brown
25. Bill Perry, 3b, Hartford
26. Rob Hallberg, rhp, Brown
27. Pat Mahoney, c, Connecticut
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on June 04, 2008, 05:46:00 pm
How about Enman from Saint Joes?

Anyone going to take a flyer on the kid in the late rounds?
Title: Re: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on June 10, 2008, 06:43:16 pm
I am sure there will be more to come and I can't promise I didn't skip over one or two but here is a list of players listed on NECBL rosters for the summer of 2008.

Overall
15 of 22 are pitchers, not surprising
Eastern Connecticut (4) & Trinity (5) are well represented
More players than I expected from non New England Schools (5)

Danbury Westerners
Melvin Castillo--Shortstop--Sophomore--Eastern Connecticut
Vinny Ganz--Infield--Sophomore--William Patterson
Travis Ratliff--Pitcher--Freshman--Cortland State
Christopher Wojick--Pitcher--Freshman--Eastern Connecticut

Holyoke Blue Sox
Sean Kileen--Catcher/Infield--Junior--Trinity
James Wood--Outfield--Sophomore--Trinity
Andrew Zgrablich--Pitcher--Sophomore--Gordon

Keene Swamp Bats
David Colvin--Pitcher--Freshman--Pomona-Pitzer

Lowell All Americans   
Nicholas Pecora--SS/OF/1B--Junior--Wheaton
Conor Fahey--Pitcher--Junior--WPI
Matt Fontaine--Pitcher--Sophomore--Eastern Connecticut
Cory Moore--Pitcher--Sophomore--Curry

Manchester Silkworms
Ryan Piacentini--Infield--Junior--Trinity
Jeremiah Bayer--Pitcher--Junior--Trinity
James Kukucka--Pitcher--Junior--Eastern Connecticut
John Potrikus--Pitcher--Junior--Cortland State

Newport Gulls
None

North Adams SteepleCats
Daniel Benz--Pitcher--Junior--Williams

North Shore Navigators
Kent Graham--Infield/Outfield--Sophomore--Trinity
Wayde Kitchens--Pitcher--Junior--Chapman
Jimmy Lisowski--Pitcher--Junior--Springfield

Pittsfield Dukes
Louie Bernardini--Pitcher--Junior--Wheaton

Sanford Mariners
Mark Schmidt--Pitcher--Sophomore--Southern Maine

Torrington Twisters
None

Vermont Mountaineers
None
Title: 2008TrinityBaseball.com
Post by: NEbaseball06 on June 21, 2008, 12:31:28 am
I was looking for some information from this past season and came across this site:  2008TrinityBaseball.com  which has an excellent YouTube video on it recapping the Bantams' season.  As a New Englander myself, it is great to see a NE team win the title again.

Great site & great slideshow on the homepage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJvcAFS_25w
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on February 05, 2009, 08:58:44 am
Well teams are starting to pratice this past week, and i know its way early, but anyone want to weigh in on thier own preseason New England Poll.  Mine would look something like this
1. Trinity
2. Eastern CT
3. Southern Maine
4. Wheaton
5. KSC
6. WNEC
7. Williams
8. Roger Williams

My thoughts being that Trinity is defending National Champions, and are still #1 until someone proves otherwise, thier pitching is still very good. Eastern has the pitching and offense to be very good as does Southern Maine.  Wheaton is ranked nationally as well as Keene State.  After that, WNEC and Roger, and Williams are all teams that can get hot and rattle of a very good stretch of wins
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on February 05, 2009, 08:18:00 pm
KSCFan,

My only input would be that ECSU and USM will be flipped, as Sullen Maine were ranked higher in two national polls, and that they are returning most of last years starters.  All others seem reasonable.

However, IMO, the preseason polls, (mostly National ) are meaningless, other than as an ego booster for the ranked teams and thier fans.

My philosophy is pre/early season polls are nice, but year-end /final polls really tell the story. It is the W/L results/statistics, that separarate the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on February 06, 2009, 08:01:09 am
ECSU alum i agree with your opinion on preseaon polls.  I am not a huge fan of them, but as work gets boring i try to find something to distract me. 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on February 06, 2009, 03:25:00 pm
ECSU alum i agree with your opinion on preseaon polls.  I am not a huge fan of them, but as work gets boring i try to find something to distract me. 

KSCFan,

Just a 3 or so more weeks to go and we will be in full swing!!!!!!!

Keep us updated on the KSC Baseball field revamp.  That would be great for the team

Can't wait  ;D
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on February 06, 2009, 07:50:42 pm
Well teams are starting to pratice this past week, and i know its way early, but anyone want to weigh in on thier own preseason New England Poll.  Mine would look something like this
1. Trinity
2. Eastern CT
3. Southern Maine
4. Wheaton
5. KSC
6. WNEC
7. Williams
8. Roger Williams

My thoughts being that Trinity is defending National Champions, and are still #1 until someone proves otherwise, thier pitching is still very good. Eastern has the pitching and offense to be very good as does Southern Maine.  Wheaton is ranked nationally as well as Keene State.  After that, WNEC and Roger, and Williams are all teams that can get hot and rattle of a very good stretch of wins


Don't like the last 3 in your rankings, tbh.

WNEC lost a lot from their squad last season, including Schwamb and Anderson, their top hitter and pitcher, respectively. As for RW, they picked up a lot of wins over pretty weak teams, I don't see them duplicating their success from last year.

Williams, well, they only won 24 games last year, so I'd say there's a few teams who could be ranked ahead of them.

1. Trinity
2. Southern Maine
3. Eastern CT.
4. Wheaton
5. Keane State
6. Suffolk
7. St. Joe's (ME)
8. Williams

Suffolk should be strong again. Let's not forget they were ranked #3 in New England in the final regional rankings before the regional selections were made, and missed out mostly due to a numbers game. They swept USM in a double-header last year, and won a total of 29 games while having one of the strongest strength of schedules in the region. They graduated their #1 in Steve Durant and best hitter in Nick Martinho, but that team absolutely mashed last year, and should once again. They also have a ton of pitching depth, as they bring back all but 2 pitchers from 2008.

St. Joe's started off a bit slow but got hot at the right time, winning the GNAC tournament and making their 3rd straight regional. They absolutely deserve to be in the top 8, even if they lost their undisputed best player in Luke Enman. They returned basically their entire pitching staff, so I think they'll do some damage once again.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on February 07, 2009, 11:52:51 am
Pre season picks

1. Trinity
2. Southern Maine
3. Wheaton
4. Eastern CT.
5. St. Joe's (ME)
6. Keene State
7. Suffolk
8. Williams

Don't think Trinity will be in the top five at the end of the year. No disrespect but they lost 31 wins on the mound.  Bayer is a talent for sure but he will be facing other teams number 1 this year. 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: DougiesGoinDeep on February 07, 2009, 03:24:35 pm
Don't sleep on how good Trinity's line up is this year. They got somewhat overshadowed last year because of the amazing pitching numbers their staff put up, but they return 4 first team All-New England hitters, far more than any other team, not to mention they hit 2 through 5 in the lineup. No one in New England has a 2-3-4-5 combo as good as Trinity, with a combined 33 HR's and 186 RBI returning. While all of the LEC teams will beat up on each other each weekend, Trinity will be fresh to make another run. Sorry to dissapoint folks, but its a 5 team race in New England this year, with Trinity USM ECSU KSC and Wheaton. These 5 teams are by far ahead of everyone else and it will be one of them representing New England in Wisconsin. I think this could be the year that we see one of these 5 shipped to the New York regional and actually win it and put two New England teams in Wisconsin. Can't wait for a great season.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on February 07, 2009, 04:58:37 pm
Don't sleep on how good Trinity's line up is this year. They got somewhat overshadowed last year because of the amazing pitching numbers their staff put up, but they return 4 first team All-New England hitters, far more than any other team, not to mention they hit 2 through 5 in the lineup. No one in New England has a 2-3-4-5 combo as good as Trinity, with a combined 33 HR's and 186 RBI returning. While all of the LEC teams will beat up on each other each weekend, Trinity will be fresh to make another run. Sorry to dissapoint folks, but its a 5 team race in New England this year, with Trinity USM ECSU KSC and Wheaton. These 5 teams are by far ahead of everyone else and it will be one of them representing New England in Wisconsin. I think this could be the year that we see one of these 5 shipped to the New York regional and actually win it and put two New England teams in Wisconsin. Can't wait for a great season.

Thats true their 2-5 could be the best in NE, but I'm sure ECSU and USM can match them.  Maine must even surpass them as far as those numbers go.  I just think losing that much pitching it is awful hard the next year.  I pull for Trinity when we don't play them, so I hope they have a good year.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: mans007 on February 08, 2009, 10:44:25 pm
Trinity does have a solid team coming back but they have to understand one MAJOR thing. After you win it, it get's much, much, harder. First off, your players think there awesome and they should, they won the title last year. Girls love them, there the kings of campus. Secondly, after you win it, everyone and there mother wants to beat you and see you be beaten. Trinity has never gone through it before so they don't know what s its like to have a target on there back.  Even if Trinity had everyone back, it would be soooooo hard to dominate like they did. #1 its so tough to be "as" motivated as before you won it. #2 everyone wants to kick your butt. Just some food for thought that I don't think many people put into the equation.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on February 09, 2009, 01:05:13 am
Don't sleep on how good Trinity's line up is this year. They got somewhat overshadowed last year because of the amazing pitching numbers their staff put up, but they return 4 first team All-New England hitters, far more than any other team, not to mention they hit 2 through 5 in the lineup. No one in New England has a 2-3-4-5 combo as good as Trinity, with a combined 33 HR's and 186 RBI returning. While all of the LEC teams will beat up on each other each weekend, Trinity will be fresh to make another run. Sorry to dissapoint folks, but its a 5 team race in New England this year, with Trinity USM ECSU KSC and Wheaton. These 5 teams are by far ahead of everyone else and it will be one of them representing New England in Wisconsin. I think this could be the year that we see one of these 5 shipped to the New York regional and actually win it and put two New England teams in Wisconsin. Can't wait for a great season.


I am pretty sure USM can match trinity's 2-5 in the order...:)   #2 Chris Burleson  .383  9 HR 50 RBI,  #3 Ryan Pike  .362  10HR 33 RBI  #4 Anthony D'Alfonso.  .393   15HR   62 RBI  #5  Ryan Gaffney  .361  1HR 38 RBI...and we can go #6  Jordan Berthiaume.  .350  3HR 38 RBI...
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on February 09, 2009, 08:16:50 am
hockeyfan77...
Don't forget the lineup ECSU posted last year with Gilblair ...403 and 12 HR, Castillo .354 and 11 HR, and Parke, Dewing, Hobbes, and Bass all hitting ..350 or better.  Coupled with the speed of Parke, Castillo, and Cousineau... the pitching staff may have a lot of runs to play with.
But until Trinity proves last year was just something special... they won't forget how to win. Remember it was Bayer last year in the Trinity showdown with the Warriors who shut down that hit attack in Willimantic.
It was probably the worst game Eastern played last year. 
I think the addition of the transfer from UConn, Musson will only add to the mix of the ECSU lineup.
Defense will probably improve on the 48 + errors from the infield last year.

Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on February 09, 2009, 08:58:48 am
The GNAC- You are right about St. Joes of Maine.  I did sleep on them, i would put them into my top 10 teams in NE if i could repick em.  However, it seems that St Joes always seems to do well in the regular season win thier bad conference and go 1-2 or 0-2 in the regionals.  That being said i have lots of respect for them, and thier program.  Good point on St Joes of Maine. 

On the Trinity aspect, i still think they are number 1 until someone proves otherwise.  Do i think they will repeat as National Champions?  Prob not, but there has not been a back to back in a long time.  Also i think that Hockeyfan hit it on the head that Southern Maines lineup just flat out rakes.  The difference between Trinity and Southern Maine last year was pitching.  I have never seen pitching like Trinity had last year.  They lost 31 wins on the mound but they still have some horses left to be there in the end.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on February 09, 2009, 02:21:58 pm
hockeyfan77...
Don't forget the lineup ECSU posted last year with Gilblair ...403 and 12 HR, Castillo .354 and 11 HR, and Parke, Dewing, Hobbes, and Bass all hitting ..350 or better.  Coupled with the speed of Parke, Castillo, and Cousineau... the pitching staff may have a lot of runs to play with.
But until Trinity proves last year was just something special... they won't forget how to win. Remember it was Bayer last year in the Trinity showdown with the Warriors who shut down that hit attack in Willimantic.
It was probably the worst game Eastern played last year. 
I think the addition of the transfer from UConn, Musson will only add to the mix of the ECSU lineup.
Defense will probably improve on the 48 + errors from the infield last year.




Oh, I wasn't forgetting about Eastern...From a USM point of view how can you...I was just pointing out that I don't think Trinity had the best 2-3-4-5 in the Northeast...I too would rank Trinity HITTING behind Eastern and USM...
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on February 09, 2009, 05:26:24 pm
Trinity does have a solid team coming back but they have to understand one MAJOR thing. After you win it, it get's much, much, harder. First off, your players think there awesome and they should, they won the title last year. Girls love them, there the kings of campus. Secondly, after you win it, everyone and there mother wants to beat you and see you be beaten. Trinity has never gone through it before so they don't know what s its like to have a target on there back.  Even if Trinity had everyone back, it would be soooooo hard to dominate like they did. #1 its so tough to be "as" motivated as before you won it. #2 everyone wants to kick your butt. Just some food for thought that I don't think many people put into the equation.

Your right mans007, history shows just how hard it is to repeat.  The target will be there all year.  I'd like to know the history of teams that lost three starters that totaled 31 of their wins, what their record was the next year?  Thats just seems like a lot to replace.  Bayer can't pitch three times a week.  Now maybe they have some arms in the wings but thats a lot of talent.  Those three guys were special as a group last year.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: mans007 on February 09, 2009, 11:42:38 pm
Good responses all on the message board but I think you were misunderstanding my meaning.  Although Trinity dosn't play a tough schedule (in comparison to little east teams).  I am not talking about repeating, i'm talking about playing day in and day out in regular season. Those teams you'd walk through in past years won't be as easy to beat, no matter what the skill level is.  Trinity will now play teams who in the past may not have pitched there #1, 2 or 3, but now they may because to beat the defending national champ means more to there program then some conference games. I know it sounds crazy but it true. Even if they face a #5, 6, 7 on a staff, that kid pitching may pitch the game of his life now. I think trinity will face the toughest factor they have ever faced... expectation. Once you win it, you now know you should never lose. In a season, thats alot of weight to carry and it can be VERY draining.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on February 10, 2009, 09:43:38 am
Any New England D3 players in a spring training this year?  I like going on the minor league baseball site and tracking thier progress.  I know that Fairchild from USM was in Double A last year, and Furbush from St. Joes did well last year.  I was just wondering about anyone else.  Any names to keep tab on would be great thanks
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on February 10, 2009, 12:30:18 pm
Any New England D3 players in a spring training this year?  I like going on the minor league baseball site and tracking thier progress.  I know that Fairchild from USM was in Double A last year, and Furbush from St. Joes did well last year.  I was just wondering about anyone else.  Any names to keep tab on would be great thanks

KSCFan,

Check "D-3 players in Minor Leagues/MLB" thread for a bunch of info from Oshdude/others
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on February 10, 2009, 12:51:57 pm
Thanks Alum, that is an interesting thread that i never knew about.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on February 12, 2009, 06:53:07 pm
TheGNAC's 2009 New England Region Preview

Hello everyone, it's that time again. Here are my 2009 rankings, with little write-ups for all the top 10 teams. This took a lot of effort and research, so all comments and critiques are welcomed.

1. Trinity - 45-1 - What are these guys going to do for an encore? Walk on water? The Bantams went 45-1 (!) in 2008, the greatest season in recorded collegiate baseball history. They won the NESCAC. They won the New England regional. They won the College World Series. Really, the only way they can improve upon 2008 is by finishing 46-0, and I don't see that happening. Still, they're the consensus #1 team in New England, and for good reason. Although they graduated 3 of their top 4 arms from last year, their offense is still one of the most formidable in New England, led by pre-season All-American C Sean Killeen and junior 1st baseman Kent Graham, who combined for 16 homers and 102 RBI in 2008. On the mound, the Bantams return Jeremiah Bayer, another pre-season All-American, who turned in an outstanding stat line of 9-0, 1.33 ERA, 71 K's in 81 innings pitched. I don't know if the Bantams will finish the year ranked 1st, but there's no other spot to put them right now.

2. Eastern Connecticut - 32-15-1 - The Evil Empire, as they've come to be known around these LEC-heavy parts, turned in a strong campaign in 2008, with a 32-15-1 mark and yet another trip to Harwich for the New England regionals. What is impressive about that feat however, is most of it was accomplished without the aid of Shawn Gilblair on the mound. The senior captain is already one of the most decorated players in Eastern's celebrated history, and is perhaps division III's premier two-way player. The lefthander did his usual damage at the plate, hitting .403 and belting 12 long balls to lead EConn's offense. Expect more of the same from Gilblair in 2009, as well as an impressive line on the mound. Aiding Gilblair on offense are SS Melvin Castillo, the 24 year old junior who can hit as well as anybody in New England, as well as co-captain 1B Tristan Hobbes, as steady as they came both at the plate and in the field. It should be interesting to see what happens with the pitching staff in 2009, as aside from Gilblair, there are a number of question marks. 9 game winner Jimmy Jagodzinski is reportedly gone (with eligibility remaining), as is Joe Esposito, plucked to the professional ranks. James Kukucka finished 2008 with a 6-1 mark in 47.1 innings, but I'm not sure he has the stuff to be the #2 EConn needs. Chris Wojick was a stud out of the bullpen last season, but it remains to be seen if he will make the transition to starting in 2009. Still, Eastern has the offense to hang with anybody, and if Coach Holywater (thanks word) can work his usual magic, expect EConn to find themselves playing for a regional title yet again in May.

3. Southern Maine - 36-14 I hesitated between putting USM 2nd and EConn 3rd, but in the end, Gilblair was the deciding factor. That's not to say USM doesn't have their own studs, of course. USM has yet to post their 2009 roster online, but the fact remains the majority of their contributors in 2008 were underclassmen, as the team went 36-14 en route to playing in the regional title game in May, before falling to eventual national champ Trinity. Southern Maine has perhaps the most potent offense in New England (and possibly the country), and any pitcher worth his salt will be having nightmares about pitching to the heart of their order. Anthony D'Alfonso is USM's most potent hitter, and the big man is going to have a tough time improving upon his 2008 totals, which saw him post .393, 15 HR, 62 RBI totals. Also back is Chris Burleson, one of the best players in the LEC since he arrived on campus in 2005. The IF/OF posted .383/9/50 totals in 08, and should once again do some serious damage with the stick in 09. It would take up much too much space to go through USM's lineup, as 1-9 they're as dangerous as any team in the country. What remains to be seen however is how they'll fair on the mound, as they don't have a clear-cut #1 stud like Trinity and Econn do. From my understanding, Collin Henry is their best bet in that regard, but in the end it might not matter, as USM managed 36 wins last year with a staff ERA og 5.13. They might just hit their way to Wisconsin.

4. Wheaton - 34-10 One of the lesser-talked about, yet always potent clubs in New England, Wheaton once again looks to be a contender in 2009. The boys from Norton, MA ran up an impressive 34-10 mark in 2008, and should be the team to beat in the NEWMAC once again. One of the least talked about, but perhaps most intriguing, storylines regarding the 2009 season is the return of Louie Bernardini to the Wheaton baseball team. Bernardini took a DNP in 2008, and is back for his final season of eligibility in 2009. The tall righthander is one of the best arms in Wheaton's short but prolific history, with a 14-6, 2.47 ERA in 171 career innings pitched. He's twice been named to the NEIBA All-Region team, and was named the NYCBL's Pitcher of the Year in the summer of 2006. Bernardini is on a short list of the top arms in the region, and his return should give Wheaton a much-needed boost on the mound. Also returning is All-American Adam Gingras, he of the 10-1, 2.09 career stat-line. Gingras was a perfect 8-0 on the bump in 2008, and has been named a D3Baseball.com pre-season All-American. Wheaton might have the region's best 1-2 punch, and as we all know, pitching wins championships. Throw in veteran arms like Nick Kostaras, Jared Barnes, and Josh Simmons, and you have one of the best pitching staffs in the country. I'm not sure if Wheaton has the offense to hang with the top teams in New England (Southern Maine's D'Alfonso almost out-homered their entire club in 2009), but when you can pitch and play defense like they can, it doesn't really matter. They're my dark horse selection to represent New England at the 2009 World Series.

5. Keene State - 34-11 I know this might make some of the KSC'ers upset, but I think this ranking is justified. The Owls have emerged as a powerhouse not only in the LEC but also in New England, making a trip to Harwich in May an annual rite of passage. Still, has their window to the World Series come and gone? With their losses on the mound, I fear it has. Look, the Owls can hang with anybody on offense, as they rival USM in that category. With hitters like Bobby Doyon (.408-6-50), Joe Rousseau (.405-0-35), and Beau Darak (.296-13-50) leading the way, expect some football-like scores to follow KSC in the box scores. They absolutely will hit the ball this season. The question is, will they pitch well? Gone is Jamie Morin, KSC's crafty southpaw. Too is enormous Phil Mabey, who, despite struggling in his final year at the swamp, now finds himself poised to sign a professional contract once he's through in the Arizona Winter League. Gone too is Greg Ford, one of the best two-way players in the LEC last year. Does Aaron Laplante (5-0, 2.77 ERA in 39 IP) have what it takes to be a #1 stud in the LEC? I'm not sure. Still, you can never count the Swampies out, and I fully expect them to once again make the trip to Harwich in May.

6. Suffolk - 29-12 As the name implies, I'm a GNAC guy. I see more games in this conference than any of the others. Still, I think this ranking is the absolute LOWEST the Rams should be, and I could definitely see them jumping into the top 4 come May. Keep in mind, Suffolk finished 2008 at 29-12 and was ranked #3 in New England in the final regional rankings before the selections were made, and if they hadn't imploded in the GNAC tournament against St. Joe's, they would have been in Harwich, too. The Rams return the majority of their record-setting squad from 2008 (they were the 1st and only team to ever run the table in the GNAC regular season, 12-0), although gone are #1 Steve Durant and perennial All New England selection Nick Martinho. Still, they have more than enough offense to hang with anybody in the region, led by junior captain Bobby Barrett (.363-3-28), SS Jose Alejandro (.333-0-26), and OF Keith Carter (.322-3-29). Suffolk also has the wheels to steal almost at will, as evidenced by their 86 stolen bags in 104 attempts last year. On the mound, Suffolk is led by 2nd team All New England selection Dan Delia (7-3, 1.68 ERA, 47 K in 64.1 IP). Also returning is senior left hander Reid Jackson, who has complied a 12-3 mark over the last 2 seasons, including wins over regional teams Southern Maine and Montclair State in 2008. Much like previous seasons, Suffolk will play one of the toughest non-conference schedules in the country, with Southern Maine, Eastern Connecticut, Trinity, Rowan, and Keystone all on the schedule before their spring trip is over. The Rams have a lot of depth both on the mound and in the field, and I expect them to regain their spot atop the GNAC once May rolls around.

7. St. Joe's (Maine) - 28-18 - The Monks made their inaugural season in the GNAC count, winning the conference tournament as a #4 seed and finding their way to Harwich yet again, for the 3rd year in a row. In 2009 though, I'm not sure that streak will continue. Gone is All-World shortstop Luke Enman, one of the premier players in the country and one of the best shortstops I've ever seen at the D-3 level. Enman finished his school-boy career as inarguably the best position player in SJC history, and if it weren't for a kid named Charlie Furbush (RHP Detroit Tigers), he'd be their best ball player, period. Enman went out in style in 2008, finishing with a .368-7-41 line, while playing near-flawless defense. Make no mistake, he was the straw that stirred the Monks offensive-drink, and his loss is pretty much irreplaceable. They'll certainly try, though, led by Ben Grant-Roy (.367-7-41). Seems every year somebody emerges from the 50 or so players coach Will Sanborn keeps around, and 2008 should be no different in that regard. It's a different story on the mound for the Monks though, as back is former Maine Blackbear Pat Moran, who posted an up-and-down 4-5, 3.88, 43 K's in 48 IP line in 2008. Moran's a 6'4 righthander, and perhaps the closest thing to a power pitcher in D-3, with a fastball in the upper 80's and a devastating curveball. Expect his 2nd year in the GNAC to be an easier transition. Also returning is LHP Andrew Keirstead, who emerged as the Monks certified Suffolk-killer in 2008, beating the Rams twice in 2 weeks to leave them home come regional selection time. Keirstead was 6-3 in 08 while leading the staff in innings pitched, and he should once again help anchor the Monks plentiful pitching staff.

8. Williams - 24-12 The Ephs had an interesting campaign in 2008, going 24-12 but missing the regional tournament despite many prognosticators having them pegged as shoe-ins after their March trip. Still, the Ephs graduated just 5 seniors last season, and many key players have returned. On the mound they're led by Dan Benz, who has been one of the best pitchers in New England over the last 2 seasons. In 2008, he compiled a 6-2, 3.36 ERA with 56 K's in 59 IP. Perhaps most impressively, he limited hitters to just a .198 BA last year. He's a #1 of the Gilblair-Bayer-Bernardini/Gingras scale. Also returning is Ben Horowitz, who trailed only Benz in IP in 2008. The Eph's don't pack the punch that much of the rest of this list does, as they managed just 11 long balls in 2008. Still, their .327 team batting average is nothing to scoff at, although the departures of Max Pinto and James DiCosmo will hurt the Ephs, as OF and 2nd baseman combined to hit .388 and .382 with 5 of the club's 11 home runs. Back is Al Matthews (.384-1-30), but after that, much is left to be desired.

In the mix: Tufts, Amherst, Western New England, Roger Williams, Worcester State, Babson

New England Pitcher of the Year: Jeremiah Bayer, Trinity
New England Player of the Year: Shawn Gilblair
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on February 12, 2009, 07:22:00 pm
TheGNAC's 2009 New England Region Preview

Hello everyone, it's that time again. Here are my 2009 rankings, with little write-ups for all the top 10 teams. This took a lot of effort and research, so all comments and critiques are welcomed.

1. Trinity - 45-1 - What are these guys going to do for an encore? Walk on water? The Bantams went 45-1 (!) in 2008, the greatest season in recorded collegiate baseball history. They won the NESCAC. They won the New England regional. They won the College World Series. Really, the only way they can improve upon 2008 is by finishing 46-0, and I don't see that happening. Still, they're the consensus #1 team in New England, and for good reason. Although they graduated 3 of their top 4 arms from last year, their offense is still one of the most formidable in New England, led by pre-season All-American C Sean Killeen and junior 1st baseman Kent Graham, who combined for 16 homers and 102 RBI in 2008. On the mound, the Bantams return Jeremiah Bayer, another pre-season All-American, who turned in an outstanding stat line of 9-0, 1.33 ERA, 71 K's in 81 innings pitched. I don't know if the Bantams will finish the year ranked 1st, but there's no other spot to put them right now.

2. Eastern Connecticut - 32-15-1 - The Evil Empire, as they've come to be known around these LEC-heavy parts, turned in a strong campaign in 2008, with a 32-15-1 mark and yet another trip to Harwich for the New England regionals. What is impressive about that feat however, is most of it was accomplished without the aid of Shawn Gilblair on the mound. The senior captain is already one of the most decorated players in Eastern's celebrated history, and is perhaps division III's premier two-way player. The lefthander did his usual damage at the plate, hitting .403 and belting 12 long balls to lead EConn's offense. Expect more of the same from Gilblair in 2009, as well as an impressive line on the mound. Aiding Gilblair on offense are SS Melvin Castillo, the 24 year old junior who can hit as well as anybody in New England, as well as co-captain 1B Tristan Hobbes, as steady as they came both at the plate and in the field. It should be interesting to see what happens with the pitching staff in 2009, as aside from Gilblair, there are a number of question marks. 9 game winner Jimmy Jagodzinski is reportedly gone (with eligibility remaining), as is Joe Esposito, plucked to the professional ranks. James Kukucka finished 2008 with a 6-1 mark in 47.1 innings, but I'm not sure he has the stuff to be the #2 EConn needs. Chris Wojick was a stud out of the bullpen last season, but it remains to be seen if he will make the transition to starting in 2009. Still, Eastern has the offense to hang with anybody, and if Coach Holywater (thanks word) can work his usual magic, expect EConn to find themselves playing for a regional title yet again in May.

3. Southern Maine - 36-14 I hesitated between putting USM 2nd and EConn 3rd, but in the end, Gilblair was the deciding factor. That's not to say USM doesn't have their own studs, of course. USM has yet to post their 2009 roster online, but the fact remains the majority of their contributors in 2008 were underclassmen, as the team went 36-14 en route to playing in the regional title game in May, before falling to eventual national champ Trinity. Southern Maine has perhaps the most potent offense in New England (and possibly the country), and any pitcher worth his salt will be having nightmares about pitching to the heart of their order. Anthony D'Alfonso is USM's most potent hitter, and the big man is going to have a tough time improving upon his 2008 totals, which saw him post .393, 15 HR, 62 RBI totals. Also back is Chris Burleson, one of the best players in the LEC since he arrived on campus in 2005. The IF/OF posted .383/9/50 totals in 08, and should once again do some serious damage with the stick in 09. It would take up much too much space to go through USM's lineup, as 1-9 they're as dangerous as any team in the country. What remains to be seen however is how they'll fair on the mound, as they don't have a clear-cut #1 stud like Trinity and Econn do. From my understanding, Collin Henry is their best bet in that regard, but in the end it might not matter, as USM managed 36 wins last year with a staff ERA og 5.13. They might just hit their way to Wisconsin.

4. Wheaton - 34-10 One of the lesser-talked about, yet always potent clubs in New England, Wheaton once again looks to be a contender in 2009. The boys from Norton, MA ran up an impressive 34-10 mark in 2008, and should be the team to beat in the NEWMAC once again. One of the least talked about, but perhaps most intriguing, storylines regarding the 2009 season is the return of Louie Bernardini to the Wheaton baseball team. Bernardini took a DNP in 2008, and is back for his final season of eligibility in 2009. The tall righthander is one of the best arms in Wheaton's short but prolific history, with a 14-6, 2.47 ERA in 171 career innings pitched. He's twice been named to the NEIBA All-Region team, and was named the NYCBL's Pitcher of the Year in the summer of 2006. Bernardini is on a short list of the top arms in the region, and his return should give Wheaton a much-needed boost on the mound. Also returning is All-American Adam Gingras, he of the 10-1, 2.09 career stat-line. Gingras was a perfect 8-0 on the bump in 2008, and has been named a D3Baseball.com pre-season All-American. Wheaton might have the region's best 1-2 punch, and as we all know, pitching wins championships. Throw in veteran arms like Nick Kostaras, Jared Barnes, and Josh Simmons, and you have one of the best pitching staffs in the country. I'm not sure if Wheaton has the offense to hang with the top teams in New England (Southern Maine's D'Alfonso almost out-homered their entire club in 2009), but when you can pitch and play defense like they can, it doesn't really matter. They're my dark horse selection to represent New England at the 2009 World Series.

5. Keene State - 34-11 I know this might make some of the KSC'ers upset, but I think this ranking is justified. The Owls have emerged as a powerhouse not only in the LEC but also in New England, making a trip to Harwich in May an annual rite of passage. Still, has their window to the World Series come and gone? With their losses on the mound, I fear it has. Look, the Owls can hang with anybody on offense, as they rival USM in that category. With hitters like Bobby Doyon (.408-6-50), Joe Rousseau (.405-0-35), and Beau Darak (.296-13-50) leading the way, expect some football-like scores to follow KSC in the box scores. They absolutely will hit the ball this season. The question is, will they pitch well? Gone is Jamie Morin, KSC's crafty southpaw. Too is enormous Phil Mabey, who, despite struggling in his final year at the swamp, now finds himself poised to sign a professional contract once he's through in the Arizona Winter League. Gone too is Greg Ford, one of the best two-way players in the LEC last year. Does Aaron Laplante (5-0, 2.77 ERA in 39 IP) have what it takes to be a #1 stud in the LEC? I'm not sure. Still, you can never count the Swampies out, and I fully expect them to once again make the trip to Harwich in May.

6. Suffolk - 29-12 As the name implies, I'm a GNAC guy. I see more games in this conference than any of the others. Still, I think this ranking is the absolute LOWEST the Rams should be, and I could definitely see them jumping into the top 4 come May. Keep in mind, Suffolk finished 2008 at 29-12 and was ranked #3 in New England in the final regional rankings before the selections were made, and if they hadn't imploded in the GNAC tournament against St. Joe's, they would have been in Harwich, too. The Rams return the majority of their record-setting squad from 2008 (they were the 1st and only team to ever run the table in the GNAC regular season, 12-0), although gone are #1 Steve Durant and perennial All New England selection Nick Martinho. Still, they have more than enough offense to hang with anybody in the region, led by junior captain Bobby Barrett (.363-3-28), SS Jose Alejandro (.333-0-26), and OF Keith Carter (.322-3-29). Suffolk also has the wheels to steal almost at will, as evidenced by their 86 stolen bags in 104 attempts last year. On the mound, Suffolk is led by 2nd team All New England selection Dan Delia (7-3, 1.68 ERA, 47 K in 64.1 IP). Also returning is senior left hander Reid Jackson, who has complied a 12-3 mark over the last 2 seasons, including wins over regional teams Southern Maine and Montclair State in 2008. Much like previous seasons, Suffolk will play one of the toughest non-conference schedules in the country, with Southern Maine, Eastern Connecticut, Trinity, Rowan, and Keystone all on the schedule before their spring trip is over. The Rams have a lot of depth both on the mound and in the field, and I expect them to regain their spot atop the GNAC once May rolls around.

7. St. Joe's (Maine) - 28-18 - The Monks made their inaugural season in the GNAC count, winning the conference tournament as a #4 seed and finding their way to Harwich yet again, for the 3rd year in a row. In 2009 though, I'm not sure that streak will continue. Gone is All-World shortstop Luke Enman, one of the premier players in the country and one of the best shortstops I've ever seen at the D-3 level. Enman finished his school-boy career as inarguably the best position player in SJC history, and if it weren't for a kid named Charlie Furbush (RHP Detroit Tigers), he'd be their best ball player, period. Enman went out in style in 2008, finishing with a .368-7-41 line, while playing near-flawless defense. Make no mistake, he was the straw that stirred the Monks offensive-drink, and his loss is pretty much irreplaceable. They'll certainly try, though, led by Ben Grant-Roy (.367-7-41). Seems every year somebody emerges from the 50 or so players coach Will Sanborn keeps around, and 2008 should be no different in that regard. It's a different story on the mound for the Monks though, as back is former Maine Blackbear Pat Moran, who posted an up-and-down 4-5, 3.88, 43 K's in 48 IP line in 2008. Moran's a 6'4 righthander, and perhaps the closest thing to a power pitcher in D-3, with a fastball in the upper 80's and a devastating curveball. Expect his 2nd year in the GNAC to be an easier transition. Also returning is LHP Andrew Keirstead, who emerged as the Monks certified Suffolk-killer in 2008, beating the Rams twice in 2 weeks to leave them home come regional selection time. Keirstead was 6-3 in 08 while leading the staff in innings pitched, and he should once again help anchor the Monks plentiful pitching staff.

8. Williams - 24-12 The Ephs had an interesting campaign in 2008, going 24-12 but missing the regional tournament despite many prognosticators having them pegged as shoe-ins after their March trip. Still, the Ephs graduated just 5 seniors last season, and many key players have returned. On the mound they're led by Dan Benz, who has been one of the best pitchers in New England over the last 2 seasons. In 2008, he compiled a 6-2, 3.36 ERA with 56 K's in 59 IP. Perhaps most impressively, he limited hitters to just a .198 BA last year. He's a #1 of the Gilblair-Bayer-Bernardini/Gingras scale. Also returning is Ben Horowitz, who trailed only Benz in IP in 2008. The Eph's don't pack the punch that much of the rest of this list does, as they managed just 11 long balls in 2008. Still, their .327 team batting average is nothing to scoff at, although the departures of Max Pinto and James DiCosmo will hurt the Ephs, as OF and 2nd baseman combined to hit .388 and .382 with 5 of the club's 11 home runs. Back is Al Matthews (.384-1-30), but after that, much is left to be desired.

In the mix: Tufts, Amherst, Western New England, Roger Williams, Worcester State, Babson

New England Pitcher of the Year: Jeremiah Bayer, Trinity
New England Player of the Year: Shawn Gilblair

GNAC,

One of the best write-up so far this year!!!  NICE JOB!! and a +1 Karma for your efforts
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on February 12, 2009, 07:51:58 pm

GNAC,

One of the best write-up so far this year!!!  NICE JOB!! and a +1 Karma for your efforts

Thanks a lot, it was fun. One thing's for sure; this season should be a fun one!
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on February 12, 2009, 08:03:50 pm
TheGNAC's 2009 New England Region Preview

Hello everyone, it's that time again. Here are my 2009 rankings, with little write-ups for all the top 10 teams. This took a lot of effort and research, so all comments and critiques are welcomed.

1. Trinity - 45-1 - What are these guys going to do for an encore? Walk on water? The Bantams went 45-1 (!) in 2008, the greatest season in recorded collegiate baseball history. They won the NESCAC. They won the New England regional. They won the College World Series. Really, the only way they can improve upon 2008 is by finishing 46-0, and I don't see that happening. Still, they're the consensus #1 team in New England, and for good reason. Although they graduated 3 of their top 4 arms from last year, their offense is still one of the most formidable in New England, led by pre-season All-American C Sean Killeen and junior 1st baseman Kent Graham, who combined for 16 homers and 102 RBI in 2008. On the mound, the Bantams return Jeremiah Bayer, another pre-season All-American, who turned in an outstanding stat line of 9-0, 1.33 ERA, 71 K's in 81 innings pitched. I don't know if the Bantams will finish the year ranked 1st, but there's no other spot to put them right now.

2. Eastern Connecticut - 32-15-1 - The Evil Empire, as they've come to be known around these LEC-heavy parts, turned in a strong campaign in 2008, with a 32-15-1 mark and yet another trip to Harwich for the New England regionals. What is impressive about that feat however, is most of it was accomplished without the aid of Shawn Gilblair on the mound. The senior captain is already one of the most decorated players in Eastern's celebrated history, and is perhaps division III's premier two-way player. The lefthander did his usual damage at the plate, hitting .403 and belting 12 long balls to lead EConn's offense. Expect more of the same from Gilblair in 2009, as well as an impressive line on the mound. Aiding Gilblair on offense are SS Melvin Castillo, the 24 year old junior who can hit as well as anybody in New England, as well as co-captain 1B Tristan Hobbes, as steady as they came both at the plate and in the field. It should be interesting to see what happens with the pitching staff in 2009, as aside from Gilblair, there are a number of question marks. 9 game winner Jimmy Jagodzinski is reportedly gone (with eligibility remaining), as is Joe Esposito, plucked to the professional ranks. James Kukucka finished 2008 with a 6-1 mark in 47.1 innings, but I'm not sure he has the stuff to be the #2 EConn needs. Chris Wojick was a stud out of the bullpen last season, but it remains to be seen if he will make the transition to starting in 2009. Still, Eastern has the offense to hang with anybody, and if Coach Holywater (thanks word) can work his usual magic, expect EConn to find themselves playing for a regional title yet again in May.

3. Southern Maine - 36-14 I hesitated between putting USM 2nd and EConn 3rd, but in the end, Gilblair was the deciding factor. That's not to say USM doesn't have their own studs, of course. USM has yet to post their 2009 roster online, but the fact remains the majority of their contributors in 2008 were underclassmen, as the team went 36-14 en route to playing in the regional title game in May, before falling to eventual national champ Trinity. Southern Maine has perhaps the most potent offense in New England (and possibly the country), and any pitcher worth his salt will be having nightmares about pitching to the heart of their order. Anthony D'Alfonso is USM's most potent hitter, and the big man is going to have a tough time improving upon his 2008 totals, which saw him post .393, 15 HR, 62 RBI totals. Also back is Chris Burleson, one of the best players in the LEC since he arrived on campus in 2005. The IF/OF posted .383/9/50 totals in 08, and should once again do some serious damage with the stick in 09. It would take up much too much space to go through USM's lineup, as 1-9 they're as dangerous as any team in the country. What remains to be seen however is how they'll fair on the mound, as they don't have a clear-cut #1 stud like Trinity and Econn do. From my understanding, Collin Henry is their best bet in that regard, but in the end it might not matter, as USM managed 36 wins last year with a staff ERA og 5.13. They might just hit their way to Wisconsin.

4. Wheaton - 34-10 One of the lesser-talked about, yet always potent clubs in New England, Wheaton once again looks to be a contender in 2009. The boys from Norton, MA ran up an impressive 34-10 mark in 2008, and should be the team to beat in the NEWMAC once again. One of the least talked about, but perhaps most intriguing, storylines regarding the 2009 season is the return of Louie Bernardini to the Wheaton baseball team. Bernardini took a DNP in 2008, and is back for his final season of eligibility in 2009. The tall righthander is one of the best arms in Wheaton's short but prolific history, with a 14-6, 2.47 ERA in 171 career innings pitched. He's twice been named to the NEIBA All-Region team, and was named the NYCBL's Pitcher of the Year in the summer of 2006. Bernardini is on a short list of the top arms in the region, and his return should give Wheaton a much-needed boost on the mound. Also returning is All-American Adam Gingras, he of the 10-1, 2.09 career stat-line. Gingras was a perfect 8-0 on the bump in 2008, and has been named a D3Baseball.com pre-season All-American. Wheaton might have the region's best 1-2 punch, and as we all know, pitching wins championships. Throw in veteran arms like Nick Kostaras, Jared Barnes, and Josh Simmons, and you have one of the best pitching staffs in the country. I'm not sure if Wheaton has the offense to hang with the top teams in New England (Southern Maine's D'Alfonso almost out-homered their entire club in 2009), but when you can pitch and play defense like they can, it doesn't really matter. They're my dark horse selection to represent New England at the 2009 World Series.

5. Keene State - 34-11 I know this might make some of the KSC'ers upset, but I think this ranking is justified. The Owls have emerged as a powerhouse not only in the LEC but also in New England, making a trip to Harwich in May an annual rite of passage. Still, has their window to the World Series come and gone? With their losses on the mound, I fear it has. Look, the Owls can hang with anybody on offense, as they rival USM in that category. With hitters like Bobby Doyon (.408-6-50), Joe Rousseau (.405-0-35), and Beau Darak (.296-13-50) leading the way, expect some football-like scores to follow KSC in the box scores. They absolutely will hit the ball this season. The question is, will they pitch well? Gone is Jamie Morin, KSC's crafty southpaw. Too is enormous Phil Mabey, who, despite struggling in his final year at the swamp, now finds himself poised to sign a professional contract once he's through in the Arizona Winter League. Gone too is Greg Ford, one of the best two-way players in the LEC last year. Does Aaron Laplante (5-0, 2.77 ERA in 39 IP) have what it takes to be a #1 stud in the LEC? I'm not sure. Still, you can never count the Swampies out, and I fully expect them to once again make the trip to Harwich in May.

6. Suffolk - 29-12 As the name implies, I'm a GNAC guy. I see more games in this conference than any of the others. Still, I think this ranking is the absolute LOWEST the Rams should be, and I could definitely see them jumping into the top 4 come May. Keep in mind, Suffolk finished 2008 at 29-12 and was ranked #3 in New England in the final regional rankings before the selections were made, and if they hadn't imploded in the GNAC tournament against St. Joe's, they would have been in Harwich, too. The Rams return the majority of their record-setting squad from 2008 (they were the 1st and only team to ever run the table in the GNAC regular season, 12-0), although gone are #1 Steve Durant and perennial All New England selection Nick Martinho. Still, they have more than enough offense to hang with anybody in the region, led by junior captain Bobby Barrett (.363-3-28), SS Jose Alejandro (.333-0-26), and OF Keith Carter (.322-3-29). Suffolk also has the wheels to steal almost at will, as evidenced by their 86 stolen bags in 104 attempts last year. On the mound, Suffolk is led by 2nd team All New England selection Dan Delia (7-3, 1.68 ERA, 47 K in 64.1 IP). Also returning is senior left hander Reid Jackson, who has complied a 12-3 mark over the last 2 seasons, including wins over regional teams Southern Maine and Montclair State in 2008. Much like previous seasons, Suffolk will play one of the toughest non-conference schedules in the country, with Southern Maine, Eastern Connecticut, Trinity, Rowan, and Keystone all on the schedule before their spring trip is over. The Rams have a lot of depth both on the mound and in the field, and I expect them to regain their spot atop the GNAC once May rolls around.

7. St. Joe's (Maine) - 28-18 - The Monks made their inaugural season in the GNAC count, winning the conference tournament as a #4 seed and finding their way to Harwich yet again, for the 3rd year in a row. In 2009 though, I'm not sure that streak will continue. Gone is All-World shortstop Luke Enman, one of the premier players in the country and one of the best shortstops I've ever seen at the D-3 level. Enman finished his school-boy career as inarguably the best position player in SJC history, and if it weren't for a kid named Charlie Furbush (RHP Detroit Tigers), he'd be their best ball player, period. Enman went out in style in 2008, finishing with a .368-7-41 line, while playing near-flawless defense. Make no mistake, he was the straw that stirred the Monks offensive-drink, and his loss is pretty much irreplaceable. They'll certainly try, though, led by Ben Grant-Roy (.367-7-41). Seems every year somebody emerges from the 50 or so players coach Will Sanborn keeps around, and 2008 should be no different in that regard. It's a different story on the mound for the Monks though, as back is former Maine Blackbear Pat Moran, who posted an up-and-down 4-5, 3.88, 43 K's in 48 IP line in 2008. Moran's a 6'4 righthander, and perhaps the closest thing to a power pitcher in D-3, with a fastball in the upper 80's and a devastating curveball. Expect his 2nd year in the GNAC to be an easier transition. Also returning is LHP Andrew Keirstead, who emerged as the Monks certified Suffolk-killer in 2008, beating the Rams twice in 2 weeks to leave them home come regional selection time. Keirstead was 6-3 in 08 while leading the staff in innings pitched, and he should once again help anchor the Monks plentiful pitching staff.

8. Williams - 24-12 The Ephs had an interesting campaign in 2008, going 24-12 but missing the regional tournament despite many prognosticators having them pegged as shoe-ins after their March trip. Still, the Ephs graduated just 5 seniors last season, and many key players have returned. On the mound they're led by Dan Benz, who has been one of the best pitchers in New England over the last 2 seasons. In 2008, he compiled a 6-2, 3.36 ERA with 56 K's in 59 IP. Perhaps most impressively, he limited hitters to just a .198 BA last year. He's a #1 of the Gilblair-Bayer-Bernardini/Gingras scale. Also returning is Ben Horowitz, who trailed only Benz in IP in 2008. The Eph's don't pack the punch that much of the rest of this list does, as they managed just 11 long balls in 2008. Still, their .327 team batting average is nothing to scoff at, although the departures of Max Pinto and James DiCosmo will hurt the Ephs, as OF and 2nd baseman combined to hit .388 and .382 with 5 of the club's 11 home runs. Back is Al Matthews (.384-1-30), but after that, much is left to be desired.

In the mix: Tufts, Amherst, Western New England, Roger Williams, Worcester State, Babson

New England Pitcher of the Year: Jeremiah Bayer, Trinity
New England Player of the Year: Shawn Gilblair


Great write up...Just one little thing I think Mark Schmidt will be USM #1 this year...Herny will be #2 and T. Therrian will be #3...Also long as they stay healthy they should be fine at the top of the rotation...
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on February 12, 2009, 08:10:49 pm
TheGNAC's 2009 New England Region Preview

Hello everyone, it's that time again. Here are my 2009 rankings, with little write-ups for all the top 10 teams. This took a lot of effort and research, so all comments and critiques are welcomed.

1. Trinity - 45-1 - What are these guys going to do for an encore? Walk on water? The Bantams went 45-1 (!) in 2008, the greatest season in recorded collegiate baseball history. They won the NESCAC. They won the New England regional. They won the College World Series. Really, the only way they can improve upon 2008 is by finishing 46-0, and I don't see that happening. Still, they're the consensus #1 team in New England, and for good reason. Although they graduated 3 of their top 4 arms from last year, their offense is still one of the most formidable in New England, led by pre-season All-American C Sean Killeen and junior 1st baseman Kent Graham, who combined for 16 homers and 102 RBI in 2008. On the mound, the Bantams return Jeremiah Bayer, another pre-season All-American, who turned in an outstanding stat line of 9-0, 1.33 ERA, 71 K's in 81 innings pitched. I don't know if the Bantams will finish the year ranked 1st, but there's no other spot to put them right now.

2. Eastern Connecticut - 32-15-1 - The Evil Empire, as they've come to be known around these LEC-heavy parts, turned in a strong campaign in 2008, with a 32-15-1 mark and yet another trip to Harwich for the New England regionals. What is impressive about that feat however, is most of it was accomplished without the aid of Shawn Gilblair on the mound. The senior captain is already one of the most decorated players in Eastern's celebrated history, and is perhaps division III's premier two-way player. The lefthander did his usual damage at the plate, hitting .403 and belting 12 long balls to lead EConn's offense. Expect more of the same from Gilblair in 2009, as well as an impressive line on the mound. Aiding Gilblair on offense are SS Melvin Castillo, the 24 year old junior who can hit as well as anybody in New England, as well as co-captain 1B Tristan Hobbes, as steady as they came both at the plate and in the field. It should be interesting to see what happens with the pitching staff in 2009, as aside from Gilblair, there are a number of question marks. 9 game winner Jimmy Jagodzinski is reportedly gone (with eligibility remaining), as is Joe Esposito, plucked to the professional ranks. James Kukucka finished 2008 with a 6-1 mark in 47.1 innings, but I'm not sure he has the stuff to be the #2 EConn needs. Chris Wojick was a stud out of the bullpen last season, but it remains to be seen if he will make the transition to starting in 2009. Still, Eastern has the offense to hang with anybody, and if Coach Holywater (thanks word) can work his usual magic, expect EConn to find themselves playing for a regional title yet again in May.

3. Southern Maine - 36-14 I hesitated between putting USM 2nd and EConn 3rd, but in the end, Gilblair was the deciding factor. That's not to say USM doesn't have their own studs, of course. USM has yet to post their 2009 roster online, but the fact remains the majority of their contributors in 2008 were underclassmen, as the team went 36-14 en route to playing in the regional title game in May, before falling to eventual national champ Trinity. Southern Maine has perhaps the most potent offense in New England (and possibly the country), and any pitcher worth his salt will be having nightmares about pitching to the heart of their order. Anthony D'Alfonso is USM's most potent hitter, and the big man is going to have a tough time improving upon his 2008 totals, which saw him post .393, 15 HR, 62 RBI totals. Also back is Chris Burleson, one of the best players in the LEC since he arrived on campus in 2005. The IF/OF posted .383/9/50 totals in 08, and should once again do some serious damage with the stick in 09. It would take up much too much space to go through USM's lineup, as 1-9 they're as dangerous as any team in the country. What remains to be seen however is how they'll fair on the mound, as they don't have a clear-cut #1 stud like Trinity and Econn do. From my understanding, Collin Henry is their best bet in that regard, but in the end it might not matter, as USM managed 36 wins last year with a staff ERA og 5.13. They might just hit their way to Wisconsin.

4. Wheaton - 34-10 One of the lesser-talked about, yet always potent clubs in New England, Wheaton once again looks to be a contender in 2009. The boys from Norton, MA ran up an impressive 34-10 mark in 2008, and should be the team to beat in the NEWMAC once again. One of the least talked about, but perhaps most intriguing, storylines regarding the 2009 season is the return of Louie Bernardini to the Wheaton baseball team. Bernardini took a DNP in 2008, and is back for his final season of eligibility in 2009. The tall righthander is one of the best arms in Wheaton's short but prolific history, with a 14-6, 2.47 ERA in 171 career innings pitched. He's twice been named to the NEIBA All-Region team, and was named the NYCBL's Pitcher of the Year in the summer of 2006. Bernardini is on a short list of the top arms in the region, and his return should give Wheaton a much-needed boost on the mound. Also returning is All-American Adam Gingras, he of the 10-1, 2.09 career stat-line. Gingras was a perfect 8-0 on the bump in 2008, and has been named a D3Baseball.com pre-season All-American. Wheaton might have the region's best 1-2 punch, and as we all know, pitching wins championships. Throw in veteran arms like Nick Kostaras, Jared Barnes, and Josh Simmons, and you have one of the best pitching staffs in the country. I'm not sure if Wheaton has the offense to hang with the top teams in New England (Southern Maine's D'Alfonso almost out-homered their entire club in 2009), but when you can pitch and play defense like they can, it doesn't really matter. They're my dark horse selection to represent New England at the 2009 World Series.

5. Keene State - 34-11 I know this might make some of the KSC'ers upset, but I think this ranking is justified. The Owls have emerged as a powerhouse not only in the LEC but also in New England, making a trip to Harwich in May an annual rite of passage. Still, has their window to the World Series come and gone? With their losses on the mound, I fear it has. Look, the Owls can hang with anybody on offense, as they rival USM in that category. With hitters like Bobby Doyon (.408-6-50), Joe Rousseau (.405-0-35), and Beau Darak (.296-13-50) leading the way, expect some football-like scores to follow KSC in the box scores. They absolutely will hit the ball this season. The question is, will they pitch well? Gone is Jamie Morin, KSC's crafty southpaw. Too is enormous Phil Mabey, who, despite struggling in his final year at the swamp, now finds himself poised to sign a professional contract once he's through in the Arizona Winter League. Gone too is Greg Ford, one of the best two-way players in the LEC last year. Does Aaron Laplante (5-0, 2.77 ERA in 39 IP) have what it takes to be a #1 stud in the LEC? I'm not sure. Still, you can never count the Swampies out, and I fully expect them to once again make the trip to Harwich in May.

6. Suffolk - 29-12 As the name implies, I'm a GNAC guy. I see more games in this conference than any of the others. Still, I think this ranking is the absolute LOWEST the Rams should be, and I could definitely see them jumping into the top 4 come May. Keep in mind, Suffolk finished 2008 at 29-12 and was ranked #3 in New England in the final regional rankings before the selections were made, and if they hadn't imploded in the GNAC tournament against St. Joe's, they would have been in Harwich, too. The Rams return the majority of their record-setting squad from 2008 (they were the 1st and only team to ever run the table in the GNAC regular season, 12-0), although gone are #1 Steve Durant and perennial All New England selection Nick Martinho. Still, they have more than enough offense to hang with anybody in the region, led by junior captain Bobby Barrett (.363-3-28), SS Jose Alejandro (.333-0-26), and OF Keith Carter (.322-3-29). Suffolk also has the wheels to steal almost at will, as evidenced by their 86 stolen bags in 104 attempts last year. On the mound, Suffolk is led by 2nd team All New England selection Dan Delia (7-3, 1.68 ERA, 47 K in 64.1 IP). Also returning is senior left hander Reid Jackson, who has complied a 12-3 mark over the last 2 seasons, including wins over regional teams Southern Maine and Montclair State in 2008. Much like previous seasons, Suffolk will play one of the toughest non-conference schedules in the country, with Southern Maine, Eastern Connecticut, Trinity, Rowan, and Keystone all on the schedule before their spring trip is over. The Rams have a lot of depth both on the mound and in the field, and I expect them to regain their spot atop the GNAC once May rolls around.

7. St. Joe's (Maine) - 28-18 - The Monks made their inaugural season in the GNAC count, winning the conference tournament as a #4 seed and finding their way to Harwich yet again, for the 3rd year in a row. In 2009 though, I'm not sure that streak will continue. Gone is All-World shortstop Luke Enman, one of the premier players in the country and one of the best shortstops I've ever seen at the D-3 level. Enman finished his school-boy career as inarguably the best position player in SJC history, and if it weren't for a kid named Charlie Furbush (RHP Detroit Tigers), he'd be their best ball player, period. Enman went out in style in 2008, finishing with a .368-7-41 line, while playing near-flawless defense. Make no mistake, he was the straw that stirred the Monks offensive-drink, and his loss is pretty much irreplaceable. They'll certainly try, though, led by Ben Grant-Roy (.367-7-41). Seems every year somebody emerges from the 50 or so players coach Will Sanborn keeps around, and 2008 should be no different in that regard. It's a different story on the mound for the Monks though, as back is former Maine Blackbear Pat Moran, who posted an up-and-down 4-5, 3.88, 43 K's in 48 IP line in 2008. Moran's a 6'4 righthander, and perhaps the closest thing to a power pitcher in D-3, with a fastball in the upper 80's and a devastating curveball. Expect his 2nd year in the GNAC to be an easier transition. Also returning is LHP Andrew Keirstead, who emerged as the Monks certified Suffolk-killer in 2008, beating the Rams twice in 2 weeks to leave them home come regional selection time. Keirstead was 6-3 in 08 while leading the staff in innings pitched, and he should once again help anchor the Monks plentiful pitching staff.

8. Williams - 24-12 The Ephs had an interesting campaign in 2008, going 24-12 but missing the regional tournament despite many prognosticators having them pegged as shoe-ins after their March trip. Still, the Ephs graduated just 5 seniors last season, and many key players have returned. On the mound they're led by Dan Benz, who has been one of the best pitchers in New England over the last 2 seasons. In 2008, he compiled a 6-2, 3.36 ERA with 56 K's in 59 IP. Perhaps most impressively, he limited hitters to just a .198 BA last year. He's a #1 of the Gilblair-Bayer-Bernardini/Gingras scale. Also returning is Ben Horowitz, who trailed only Benz in IP in 2008. The Eph's don't pack the punch that much of the rest of this list does, as they managed just 11 long balls in 2008. Still, their .327 team batting average is nothing to scoff at, although the departures of Max Pinto and James DiCosmo will hurt the Ephs, as OF and 2nd baseman combined to hit .388 and .382 with 5 of the club's 11 home runs. Back is Al Matthews (.384-1-30), but after that, much is left to be desired.

In the mix: Tufts, Amherst, Western New England, Roger Williams, Worcester State, Babson

New England Pitcher of the Year: Jeremiah Bayer, Trinity
New England Player of the Year: Shawn Gilblair


Great write up...Just one little thing I think Mark Schmidt will be USM #1 this year...Herny will be #2 and T. Therrian will be #3...Also long as they stay healthy they should be fine at the top of the rotation...

Thanks, not sure how I overlooked Schmidt, he put up some pretty gaudy numbers last year. 51 K's in 65 IP is pretty impressive. Should be interesting nonetheless to see how USM's pitching does this season; if they can pitch well, look out.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on February 12, 2009, 08:20:38 pm
TheGNAC's 2009 New England Region Preview

Hello everyone, it's that time again. Here are my 2009 rankings, with little write-ups for all the top 10 teams. This took a lot of effort and research, so all comments and critiques are welcomed.

1. Trinity - 45-1 - What are these guys going to do for an encore? Walk on water? The Bantams went 45-1 (!) in 2008, the greatest season in recorded collegiate baseball history. They won the NESCAC. They won the New England regional. They won the College World Series. Really, the only way they can improve upon 2008 is by finishing 46-0, and I don't see that happening. Still, they're the consensus #1 team in New England, and for good reason. Although they graduated 3 of their top 4 arms from last year, their offense is still one of the most formidable in New England, led by pre-season All-American C Sean Killeen and junior 1st baseman Kent Graham, who combined for 16 homers and 102 RBI in 2008. On the mound, the Bantams return Jeremiah Bayer, another pre-season All-American, who turned in an outstanding stat line of 9-0, 1.33 ERA, 71 K's in 81 innings pitched. I don't know if the Bantams will finish the year ranked 1st, but there's no other spot to put them right now.

2. Eastern Connecticut - 32-15-1 - The Evil Empire, as they've come to be known around these LEC-heavy parts, turned in a strong campaign in 2008, with a 32-15-1 mark and yet another trip to Harwich for the New England regionals. What is impressive about that feat however, is most of it was accomplished without the aid of Shawn Gilblair on the mound. The senior captain is already one of the most decorated players in Eastern's celebrated history, and is perhaps division III's premier two-way player. The lefthander did his usual damage at the plate, hitting .403 and belting 12 long balls to lead EConn's offense. Expect more of the same from Gilblair in 2009, as well as an impressive line on the mound. Aiding Gilblair on offense are SS Melvin Castillo, the 24 year old junior who can hit as well as anybody in New England, as well as co-captain 1B Tristan Hobbes, as steady as they came both at the plate and in the field. It should be interesting to see what happens with the pitching staff in 2009, as aside from Gilblair, there are a number of question marks. 9 game winner Jimmy Jagodzinski is reportedly gone (with eligibility remaining), as is Joe Esposito, plucked to the professional ranks. James Kukucka finished 2008 with a 6-1 mark in 47.1 innings, but I'm not sure he has the stuff to be the #2 EConn needs. Chris Wojick was a stud out of the bullpen last season, but it remains to be seen if he will make the transition to starting in 2009. Still, Eastern has the offense to hang with anybody, and if Coach Holywater (thanks word) can work his usual magic, expect EConn to find themselves playing for a regional title yet again in May.

3. Southern Maine - 36-14 I hesitated between putting USM 2nd and EConn 3rd, but in the end, Gilblair was the deciding factor. That's not to say USM doesn't have their own studs, of course. USM has yet to post their 2009 roster online, but the fact remains the majority of their contributors in 2008 were underclassmen, as the team went 36-14 en route to playing in the regional title game in May, before falling to eventual national champ Trinity. Southern Maine has perhaps the most potent offense in New England (and possibly the country), and any pitcher worth his salt will be having nightmares about pitching to the heart of their order. Anthony D'Alfonso is USM's most potent hitter, and the big man is going to have a tough time improving upon his 2008 totals, which saw him post .393, 15 HR, 62 RBI totals. Also back is Chris Burleson, one of the best players in the LEC since he arrived on campus in 2005. The IF/OF posted .383/9/50 totals in 08, and should once again do some serious damage with the stick in 09. It would take up much too much space to go through USM's lineup, as 1-9 they're as dangerous as any team in the country. What remains to be seen however is how they'll fair on the mound, as they don't have a clear-cut #1 stud like Trinity and Econn do. From my understanding, Collin Henry is their best bet in that regard, but in the end it might not matter, as USM managed 36 wins last year with a staff ERA og 5.13. They might just hit their way to Wisconsin.

4. Wheaton - 34-10 One of the lesser-talked about, yet always potent clubs in New England, Wheaton once again looks to be a contender in 2009. The boys from Norton, MA ran up an impressive 34-10 mark in 2008, and should be the team to beat in the NEWMAC once again. One of the least talked about, but perhaps most intriguing, storylines regarding the 2009 season is the return of Louie Bernardini to the Wheaton baseball team. Bernardini took a DNP in 2008, and is back for his final season of eligibility in 2009. The tall righthander is one of the best arms in Wheaton's short but prolific history, with a 14-6, 2.47 ERA in 171 career innings pitched. He's twice been named to the NEIBA All-Region team, and was named the NYCBL's Pitcher of the Year in the summer of 2006. Bernardini is on a short list of the top arms in the region, and his return should give Wheaton a much-needed boost on the mound. Also returning is All-American Adam Gingras, he of the 10-1, 2.09 career stat-line. Gingras was a perfect 8-0 on the bump in 2008, and has been named a D3Baseball.com pre-season All-American. Wheaton might have the region's best 1-2 punch, and as we all know, pitching wins championships. Throw in veteran arms like Nick Kostaras, Jared Barnes, and Josh Simmons, and you have one of the best pitching staffs in the country. I'm not sure if Wheaton has the offense to hang with the top teams in New England (Southern Maine's D'Alfonso almost out-homered their entire club in 2009), but when you can pitch and play defense like they can, it doesn't really matter. They're my dark horse selection to represent New England at the 2009 World Series.

5. Keene State - 34-11 I know this might make some of the KSC'ers upset, but I think this ranking is justified. The Owls have emerged as a powerhouse not only in the LEC but also in New England, making a trip to Harwich in May an annual rite of passage. Still, has their window to the World Series come and gone? With their losses on the mound, I fear it has. Look, the Owls can hang with anybody on offense, as they rival USM in that category. With hitters like Bobby Doyon (.408-6-50), Joe Rousseau (.405-0-35), and Beau Darak (.296-13-50) leading the way, expect some football-like scores to follow KSC in the box scores. They absolutely will hit the ball this season. The question is, will they pitch well? Gone is Jamie Morin, KSC's crafty southpaw. Too is enormous Phil Mabey, who, despite struggling in his final year at the swamp, now finds himself poised to sign a professional contract once he's through in the Arizona Winter League. Gone too is Greg Ford, one of the best two-way players in the LEC last year. Does Aaron Laplante (5-0, 2.77 ERA in 39 IP) have what it takes to be a #1 stud in the LEC? I'm not sure. Still, you can never count the Swampies out, and I fully expect them to once again make the trip to Harwich in May.

6. Suffolk - 29-12 As the name implies, I'm a GNAC guy. I see more games in this conference than any of the others. Still, I think this ranking is the absolute LOWEST the Rams should be, and I could definitely see them jumping into the top 4 come May. Keep in mind, Suffolk finished 2008 at 29-12 and was ranked #3 in New England in the final regional rankings before the selections were made, and if they hadn't imploded in the GNAC tournament against St. Joe's, they would have been in Harwich, too. The Rams return the majority of their record-setting squad from 2008 (they were the 1st and only team to ever run the table in the GNAC regular season, 12-0), although gone are #1 Steve Durant and perennial All New England selection Nick Martinho. Still, they have more than enough offense to hang with anybody in the region, led by junior captain Bobby Barrett (.363-3-28), SS Jose Alejandro (.333-0-26), and OF Keith Carter (.322-3-29). Suffolk also has the wheels to steal almost at will, as evidenced by their 86 stolen bags in 104 attempts last year. On the mound, Suffolk is led by 2nd team All New England selection Dan Delia (7-3, 1.68 ERA, 47 K in 64.1 IP). Also returning is senior left hander Reid Jackson, who has complied a 12-3 mark over the last 2 seasons, including wins over regional teams Southern Maine and Montclair State in 2008. Much like previous seasons, Suffolk will play one of the toughest non-conference schedules in the country, with Southern Maine, Eastern Connecticut, Trinity, Rowan, and Keystone all on the schedule before their spring trip is over. The Rams have a lot of depth both on the mound and in the field, and I expect them to regain their spot atop the GNAC once May rolls around.

7. St. Joe's (Maine) - 28-18 - The Monks made their inaugural season in the GNAC count, winning the conference tournament as a #4 seed and finding their way to Harwich yet again, for the 3rd year in a row. In 2009 though, I'm not sure that streak will continue. Gone is All-World shortstop Luke Enman, one of the premier players in the country and one of the best shortstops I've ever seen at the D-3 level. Enman finished his school-boy career as inarguably the best position player in SJC history, and if it weren't for a kid named Charlie Furbush (RHP Detroit Tigers), he'd be their best ball player, period. Enman went out in style in 2008, finishing with a .368-7-41 line, while playing near-flawless defense. Make no mistake, he was the straw that stirred the Monks offensive-drink, and his loss is pretty much irreplaceable. They'll certainly try, though, led by Ben Grant-Roy (.367-7-41). Seems every year somebody emerges from the 50 or so players coach Will Sanborn keeps around, and 2008 should be no different in that regard. It's a different story on the mound for the Monks though, as back is former Maine Blackbear Pat Moran, who posted an up-and-down 4-5, 3.88, 43 K's in 48 IP line in 2008. Moran's a 6'4 righthander, and perhaps the closest thing to a power pitcher in D-3, with a fastball in the upper 80's and a devastating curveball. Expect his 2nd year in the GNAC to be an easier transition. Also returning is LHP Andrew Keirstead, who emerged as the Monks certified Suffolk-killer in 2008, beating the Rams twice in 2 weeks to leave them home come regional selection time. Keirstead was 6-3 in 08 while leading the staff in innings pitched, and he should once again help anchor the Monks plentiful pitching staff.

8. Williams - 24-12 The Ephs had an interesting campaign in 2008, going 24-12 but missing the regional tournament despite many prognosticators having them pegged as shoe-ins after their March trip. Still, the Ephs graduated just 5 seniors last season, and many key players have returned. On the mound they're led by Dan Benz, who has been one of the best pitchers in New England over the last 2 seasons. In 2008, he compiled a 6-2, 3.36 ERA with 56 K's in 59 IP. Perhaps most impressively, he limited hitters to just a .198 BA last year. He's a #1 of the Gilblair-Bayer-Bernardini/Gingras scale. Also returning is Ben Horowitz, who trailed only Benz in IP in 2008. The Eph's don't pack the punch that much of the rest of this list does, as they managed just 11 long balls in 2008. Still, their .327 team batting average is nothing to scoff at, although the departures of Max Pinto and James DiCosmo will hurt the Ephs, as OF and 2nd baseman combined to hit .388 and .382 with 5 of the club's 11 home runs. Back is Al Matthews (.384-1-30), but after that, much is left to be desired.

In the mix: Tufts, Amherst, Western New England, Roger Williams, Worcester State, Babson

New England Pitcher of the Year: Jeremiah Bayer, Trinity
New England Player of the Year: Shawn Gilblair


Great write up...Just one little thing I think Mark Schmidt will be USM #1 this year...Herny will be #2 and T. Therrian will be #3...Also long as they stay healthy they should be fine at the top of the rotation...

Thanks, not sure how I overlooked Schmidt, he put up some pretty gaudy numbers last year. 51 K's in 65 IP is pretty impressive. Should be interesting nonetheless to see how USM's pitching does this season; if they can pitch well, look out.


I know how you overlooked him: that's a lot of work!!!! Good writing and your points are IMO pretty dead on...Yes , if USM can avoid injuries to their arms the could be downright scary...
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on February 12, 2009, 08:21:14 pm
GNAC,

We're not worthy
We're not worthy
We're not worthy

What a great write-up. Thank you.


Word

PS Keith Patnode a recent transfer to KSC may well be an impact player at the plate.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on February 13, 2009, 08:38:20 am
Gnac- amazing write up, awesome job some serious thought and hard work went into that.  I felt that your ranking were right on as well.  I agree with where you placed the swampies.  One thing though Rousseau graduated last year and now is a Nashua NH police officer.  But, that being said great stuff, espically enjoyed the Wheaton write up. 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on February 13, 2009, 11:02:48 am
GNAC
I thought I was reading sports illustrated.com for a moment. Good insight on each team. I particuarly liked your assessment of Eastern Conn. A few things you might be on the lookout for is - how Tingley will respond to off-season surgery, what impact the UConn transfer, Musson will have, and how Fontaine follows up last year leading the LEC in strikeouts and games started while filling in for Gilblair. I think Wojick will remain in the pen. Kukucka does have the stuff. Those 47.1 innings were deceiving. Those were tough innings. When you get a look at Eastern's top four pitchers, Gilblair, Kukucka, Musson, and Fontaine, you will think that they are on loan from the football team. A surprise will be Dutton, a "crafty" lefty, possibly out of the pen and maybe an occasional long relief/spot weekday start.

GNAC ... will there be a weekly update?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on February 13, 2009, 04:35:10 pm


PS Keith Patnode a recent transfer to KSC may well be an impact player at the plate.
He may be the bat in the middle of the lineup that makes them have to pitch to Chevy, Doyon and Darak.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on February 13, 2009, 07:24:23 pm
GNAC
wow! terrific analysis. very in depth, very insightful. Lot of effort and research, I would certainly agree. you must have been working on this since the end of last season. 
Great job, bring on the season, it should be fun
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on February 13, 2009, 08:23:10 pm
Ok...I'll be the bad guy......no thats a real nice bit of work.

But.....you think Keene is going to Harwich (ECSU)? That kinda means they will beat USM and/or ECSU this year again, as a minimum they would have to win the LEC tourney and that would still get the shipped to NY regional.  That is if ECSU wins the regular season or at least top two.  ECSU has been shipped to NY two of the last three years for regionals.  If they have a normal ECSU year I don't see them getting shipped out this year.  Even if you win the LEC tourney from the two or three spot doesn't mean you stay in region but I think they get a break this year being the host site.  Although this year who would want to be in this regional....lets see.....Wheaton, USM, Keene, ECSU, Trinity, ST. Joe....tough stuff there.  Seems if you go to NY most years you have to beat Cortland.  NE has 4 or 5 Cortlands.  Not to disrespect the NY teams but they seem to disrespect themselves at times.  Could be interesting at the end of the year.

So who will be in the NE regional at ECSU in May?  Thats enough, my finger is getting tired.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: mans007 on February 14, 2009, 01:27:58 am
Good post.  It will be tough to ship out the host of the regional because even though DIII is not a money making sport, they will gain more financially by having ecsu in it even as a 4-6 seed.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on February 14, 2009, 06:13:17 am
mansoo7
 You're absolutely on target about ecsu being shipped to Auburn during this economic time. If the NCAA has to pay for the travel of Eastern to Auburn or to have them stay in Willimantic - hard choice ? I think not.
However......... we are getting WAY ahead of ourselves. Let's just start by playing one game first.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on February 15, 2009, 11:00:35 pm
Thought I'd check out the early season schedules for the top New England teams and highlight some matchups.

Thoughts on these games?

Saturday, March 7 - Eastern Connecticut vs. Suffolk in Farmingdale, NY - Gonna be a cold one, as my #2 and #6 ranked teams face off at SUNY-Farmingdale.

Sunday, March 8 - Southern Maine vs. Suffolk in Farmingdale, NY - Suffolk swept USM in an early season matchup in 2008, but USM has returned the majority of their horses from last year. Tough two draws to open the year for Suffolk, in cold weather no less.

Monday, March 9 & Tuesday, March 10 - Wheaton vs. The College of New Jersey in Phoenix, AZ - TCNJ was a top-ranked club for much of 2008, finishing in the top 25 with a 30-12 overall record. On back-to-back days, they'll take on the perennial NEWMAC powerhouse. Should be two well-played games.

Friday, March 13 - Wheaton vs. Johns Hopkins in Phoenix, AZ - Wheaton was the national runners-up in 2006. Johns Hopkins now holds that dubious title for 2008. Should be an excellent game.

Saturday, March 14 - Keene State vs. TCNJ in Phoenix, AZ- Keene opens their season with 2 games against TCNJ in Arizona. A tough test for the Owls right out of the gate, and doesn't get any easier two days later, either.

Sunday, March 15 - Suffolk vs. Rowan in Lake Myrtle, FLA - Rowan was a 30 win team in 2008, and look to be strong once again this season, even after losing all-world pitcher Ryan Kulik. Suffolk should have its hands full with the boys from Jersey.

Monday, March 16 - Keene State vs. Johns Hopkins in Phoenix, AZ - KSC doesn't have it any easier in their 5th game of the year, as they take on the boys from JHU.

Thursday, March 19 - Southern Maine vs. Johns Hopkins in Phoenix, AZ - Two national powerhouses face off in an early season tilt in Phoenix. Should be a good one, as both teams have national title hopes for 2009.

Friday, March 20 - Eastern Connecticut vs. Johns Hopkins in Phoenix, AZ - The national runners-up didn't fare well against New England's #1 ranked club in the 2008 World Series, I wonder how they'll do against the 2nd best team New England has to offer?

Saturday, March 21 - Suffolk vs. Trinity in Lake Myrtle, FLA - The national champions end their spring trip with a tilt against Suffolk before flying north. The spring schedule is fairly light for the Bantams, and Suffolk should be their toughest test. Don't be surprised if they return home undefeated for the second straight season.

Should be an interesting, action-packed start to the season.

Any thoughts?




Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: DIII Dad on February 16, 2009, 11:44:31 am
First off let me say TheGNAC your write ups are great! It looks like the best teams around here are playing some tough early sason games. Good way to see what you have. I follow Wheaton(MA) and was just wondering if any body knows anything about the other teams on there Az. trip as far as good competition goes.
7-Mar Sat RIT (NY)
8-Mar Sun Saint John's (MN)
9-Mar Mon The College of New Jersey
10-Mar Tue The College of New Jersey
10-Mar Tue Rockford (IL)
12-Mar Thu Saint Cloud State (MN)
13-Mar Fri Johns Hopkins (MD)
14-Mar Sat Western New England
15-Mar Sun William Paterson (NJ)
15-Mar Sun Roger Williams

Thanks in advance for any insight I can get.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on February 16, 2009, 11:52:22 am
D3dad The college of New Jersey will be a very good match for wheaton as they are always a very strong team. William Patterson traditionally is a 20 win team at least.  I know that Keene State usually plays them down in Arizona and most times than not its a battle to the last inning.  They play in the NJAC i think it is, the same one with COllege of New Jersey which is a very strong conference.  That should be a good couple of games.  Hopkins national runner up last year should tell you that they are pretty good. Thats about as much as i know
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: dchevy5 on February 16, 2009, 03:53:32 pm
Regarding the Arizona schedule for Keene State,  interesting that we start with 2 against TCNJ and play Johns Hopkins on day 3 (game 5).  That is exactly the same as last year.  Both teams will be out for revenge as KSC went 3-0.  They beat TCNJ on KSC's first day outside (it was TCNJ's final day of their trip).
Played 2 NINE inning games and KSC won both by one run, the second game going 11 innings.  What a way to start a season!  Then 2 days later, KSC beat Johns Hopkins, also by one run, 9-8.  After 3 days, Keene was 4-1 with 3 victories against top 10 teams (at the time).  It will be difficult to repeat that this year, but, it will be fun.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: DIII Dad on February 16, 2009, 04:23:19 pm
Thanks KSCfan. I knew about TCNJ and Hopkins as far as how good the games could be. I should have put in my post I was talking more about the teams in bold lettering. Sorry I didn't clarify that :P
Thanks again.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on February 16, 2009, 04:34:11 pm
First off let me say TheGNAC your write ups are great! It looks like the best teams around here are playing some tough early sason games. Good way to see what you have. I follow Wheaton(MA) and was just wondering if any body knows anything about the other teams on there Az. trip as far as good competition goes.
7-Mar Sat RIT (NY)
8-Mar Sun Saint John's (MN)
9-Mar Mon The College of New Jersey
10-Mar Tue The College of New Jersey
10-Mar Tue Rockford (IL)
12-Mar Thu Saint Cloud State (MN)
13-Mar Fri Johns Hopkins (MD)
14-Mar Sat Western New England
15-Mar Sun William Paterson (NJ)
15-Mar Sun Roger Williams

Thanks in advance for any insight I can get.

RIT 2008 stats:

2008 RIT Baseball
Overall Statistics for RIT (as of May 10, 2008)
(All games Sorted by Batting avg)

Record: 22-14   Home: 11-4   Away: 8-6   Neutral: 3-4   Empire 8: 11-5



Player                 AVG  GP-GS    AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR RBI   TB  SLG%  BB HBP  SO GDP   OB%  SF  SH  SB-ATT   PO   A   E  FLD%

18 Geoff Dornes.....  .386  36-36   132  40  51   9   1   5  37   77  .583  18   3  21   2  .462   3   0   5-5     50  12   1  .984
14 Ryan Tryt........  .376  29-26    93  21  35   9   4   3  29   61  .656  12   5  16   2  .460   3   0   1-1     54   3   2  .966
 8 Jeremy Tosh......  .369  36-36   122  28  45   8   0   3  30   62  .508  25   5  26   3  .490   1   0   8-8    101  89   7  .964
 5 Matt George......  .367  36-36   120  48  44   5   0   0  15   49  .408  26   6  13   2  .500   0   3  23-26    17  69   9  .905
11 Matt Austin......  .314  21-15    51  12  16   2   2   0  10   22  .431   9   2  10   0  .422   2   2   3-4    133   4   2  .986
26 Anthony Culotta..  .309  33-32    97  24  30   2   0   1  20   35  .361  24   2  10   2  .444   3   2   6-10    64   4   3  .958
10 Ed Hughes........  .306  28-20    72  13  22   2   0   1  11   27  .375   8   4   8   0  .405   0   3   5-5     40  59   8  .925
13 Justin Smith.....  .302  25-21    63  14  19   1   1   0  12   22  .349   7   1  14   0  .380   0   1   3-4     43  37   4  .952
19 John Robertson...  .289  26-25    76  13  22   3   0   0  14   25  .329  10   1  14   1  .371   2   0   2-3     41   1   1  .977
52 Raffaele Parisi..  .276  26-21    76  12  21   5   0   0  15   26  .342   6   5  18   0  .368   0   0   3-3     90   4   3  .969
15 Dave Kernan......  .230  24-17    61   7  14   3   1   3   9   28  .459   6   3  12   0  .324   1   0   0-0     71   7   3  .963
12 Ryan Campbell....  .227  28-19    75  10  17   3   0   0   6   20  .267   4   1  12   0  .272   1   1   3-3     33   0   0 1.000
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 4 Steve Cline......  .308  11-1     13   3   4   1   0   0   2    5  .385   1   0   2   0  .357   0   0   0-0      1   1   0 1.000
16 Josh Rodems......  .281  17-11    32   7   9   4   0   0   3   13  .406   4   1  10   0  .378   0   0   0-0     36   8   0 1.000
27 Kyle Desrosiers..  .261  19-4     23   8   6   0   1   0   2    8  .348   5   3   4   1  .438   1   1   0-0     19  14   2  .943
 6 Jeff Bibbens.....  .250   3-1      4   1   1   1   0   0   0    2  .500   0   0   3   0  .250   0   0   0-0      1   7   0 1.000
 2 Chris Brol.......  .250   6-0      4   0   1   0   0   0   0    1  .250   1   0   1   0  .400   0   0   0-0      6   0   0 1.000
 3 Mike Marsillo....  .000   4-0      1   1   0   0   0   0   1    0  .000   2   0   1   0  .667   0   0   0-0      6   7   0 1.000
 9 Thomas Piscitell.  .000   1-0      0   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   0   0   0   0  .000   0   0   0-0      0   0   0  .000
21 Cory Langtry.....  .000   2-1      0   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   0   0   0   0  .000   0   0   0-0      2   8   0 1.000
31 Paul Schoeneck...  .000   1-0      0   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   0   0   0   0  .000   0   0   0-0      4   4   0 1.000
23 Joel Walker......  .000   1-0      0   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   0   0   0   0  .000   0   0   0-0      0   0   0  .000
 ...................  .000   1-1      0   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   0   0   0   0  .000   0   0   0-0      0   0   0  .000
 7 Ed McKenna.......  .000   1-0      0   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   1   0   0   0 1.000   0   0   0-0      0   2   0 1.000

Totals..............  .320  36-36  1115 262 357  58  10  16 216  483  .433 169  42 195  13  .423  17  13  62-72   813 348  48  .960
Opponents...........  .290  36-36  1081 204 314  76  10  15 183  455  .421 112  43 155  13  .376  13  13  44-53   805 324  54  .954

LOB - Team (289), Opp (246). DPs turned - Team (25), Opp (21). CI - Team (1), Kernan 1. Picked off - Robertson 1, Dornes 1,
Culotta 1.

(All games Sorted by Earned run avg)

Player                 ERA   W-L   APP  GS  CG SHO/CBO SV    IP   H   R  ER  BB  SO  2B  3B  HR   AB B/Avg   WP HBP  BK  SFA SHA

 3 Mike Marsillo....  2.17   5-3    16   4   3   0/0    2  45.2  36  18  11   7  30   7   1   1  169  .213    2   9   0    2   0
18 Geoff Dornes.....  2.82   3-2     9   7   3   1/0    0  51.0  53  24  16   4  27   8   4   1  193  .275    2   4   0    4   2
 1 Rory Camardello..  3.29   1-0     9   0   0   0/0    0  13.2  15  10   5   7   7   4   0   1   52  .288    4   2   0    0   3
21 Cory Langtry.....  5.86   7-3    11   9   2   0/0    0  55.1  61  38  36  31  37  17   1   0  191  .319    6   8   0    1   1
31 Paul Schoeneck...  6.29   2-0    13   2   0   0/0    0  24.1  39  20  17   4   9  15   0   3  100  .390    1   1   0    2   1
 6 Jeff Bibbens.....  7.62   3-3    10   9   1   0/0    0  39.0  50  35  33  22  26   7   3   6  158  .316    1   8   0    1   3
23 Joel Walker......  7.84   0-0     4   0   0   0/0    0  10.1  13  11   9   6   6   4   0   2   32  .406    2   5   1    1   0
 9 Thomas Piscitell.  9.00   0-0     7   0   0   0/0    0   6.0   8   6   6   5   6   2   0   0   21  .381    1   0   0    0   0
20 Chris Miller.....  9.39   1-2     6   4   0   0/0    0  23.0  35  31  24  21   6   9   1   1   99  .354    2   3   0    2   2
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26 Anthony Culotta.. 20.25   0-1     2   1   0   0/0    0   2.2   4  11   6   5   1   0   0   0    7  .571    0   3   0    0   0

Totals..............  5.41  22-14   36  36   9   1/0    2 271.0 314 204 163 112 155  73  10  15 1022  .307   21  43   1   13  12
Opponents...........  6.88  14-22   36  36   7   3/1    2 268.1 358 262 205 170 197  55  10  13 1038  .345   21  42   3   17  13

Check thier web site for returning players and 2008 seniors
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on February 16, 2009, 04:47:08 pm
St. Cloud State, a D-II school, located in Minnesota usually played thier early games at the Metrodome, for obvious reasons

2008 stats are incomplete off thier web site, but 2008 press guide shows record or 16-29 in 2007

Looks like they are an average/below average D-II team
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on February 16, 2009, 04:55:16 pm
Roger Williams , from my experience is a reasonably good D-III team, but nothing outstanding.

Maybe someone knowlegable of Commonwealth Coast Conference can comment

last years CCC Preseason poll/stats:

2008 TCCC PRESEASON BASEBALL POLL

TEAM POINTS (1st Place votes)
Curry 138 (8)
Western New England 125 (4)
Salve Regina 125
Roger Williams 110
Endicott 90
Colby-Sawyer 85
Wentworth 63
Eastern Nazarene 61
Nichols 60
Gordon 39
New England College 28
Anna Maria 12


Roger Williams University
Overall Statistics for Roger Williams (as of May 15, 2008)
(All games Sorted by Batting avg)

Record: 34-12   Home: 18-2   Away: 9-5   Neutral: 7-5   TCCC: 20-2


Player                 AVG  GP-GS    AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR RBI   TB  SLG%  BB HBP  SO GDP   OB%  SF  SH  SB-ATT   PO   A   E  FLD%

18 Jamie Dahill.....  .393  46-46   163  43  64  15   1   4  32   93  .571  19   2  10   3  .455   3   0   9-9     88   0   2  .978
17 Alex Perry.......  .368  45-44   136  31  50  11   1   7  38   84  .618  20   2  11   3  .444   4   1   3-3    319  25   2  .994
27 Kevin Simpson....  .351  46-46   148  41  52  10   2   7  38   87  .588  13   9  23   2  .428   3   3  11-12    29  76  10  .913
 2 Bill Lambert.....  .333  46-46   168  36  56   8   0   1  23   67  .399  10   3  14   3  .373   4   5   8-12    79 115   5  .975
 8 Tony Verrochi....  .324  45-45   148  37  48   8   1   3  22   67  .453  22  13  23   3  .451   1   0  14-17    95   1   1  .990
 5 Grant Bolin......  .291  43-43   127  29  37   6   0   5  15   58  .457  11   3  32   0  .359   1   4   7-8     49  97  16  .901
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19 Dan Roberge......  .500   9-7      2   0   1   1   0   0   2    2 1.000   0   0   1   0  .500   0   0   0-0      3  13   1  .941
 1 Seth Fiero.......  .429   6-0      7   0   3   0   0   0   3    3  .429   0   0   1   0  .429   0   0   0-0      3   0   0 1.000
10 Chris Meier......  .400   4-0      5   0   2   0   0   0   1    2  .400   0   0   2   0  .400   0   0   0-0      1   0   0 1.000
24 Zach Porter......  .337  37-32   104  17  35   8   0   7  31   64  .615   4   2  25   2  .369   1   0   0-1     15   7   6  .786
 3 Matt Berte.......  .308  25-13    52   7  16   5   0   0  11   21  .404   7   1   9   2  .400   0   0   0-1      2   0   1  .667
29 Billy Dunn.......  .267  28-12    45  10  12   3   0   2  10   21  .467   3   1  14   0  .327   0   0   1-1     36   3   1  .975
 6 Ryan MacCarthy...  .255  42-40   106  19  27   5   0   0  10   32  .302  19   2  23   0  .378   0   0   0-2    189  16   3  .986
13 Andrew Haycock...  .246  24-17    57   8  14   2   2   1  14   23  .404   4   2  16   0  .317   0   1   1-1      7   0   0 1.000
 7 Tim Atwood.......  .246  37-17    57  16  14   2   0   0   7   16  .281  10   0  15   0  .358   0   2   4-5     22   2   3  .889
12 Riley Kingery....  .235  11-5     17   2   4   1   0   1   4    8  .471   2   0   5   1  .300   1   0   0-0      5   0   0 1.000
44 Justin Reyes.....  .219  19-7     32   6   7   2   0   0   3    9  .281   2   2   7   1  .306   0   0   2-2     64   2   0 1.000
 4 Chris Ziakas.....  .000  11-1      8   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   1   0   4   1  .111   0   0   1-1      1   1   1  .667
25 John Bobrowiecki.  .000   4-0      0   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   0   0   0   0  .000   0   0   0-0      1   0   0 1.000
23 Eric Brown.......  .000  10-1      0   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   0   0   0   0  .000   0   0   0-0      0   2   0 1.000
22 Sam Podbelski....  .000   8-6      0   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   0   0   0   0  .000   0   0   0-0      5   6   1  .917
26 Greg Sousa.......  .000  12-0      0   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   0   0   0   0  .000   0   0   0-0      0   2   0 1.000
20 Mike Malcolm.....  .000   9-7      0   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   0   0   0   0  .000   0   0   0-0      0   9   0 1.000
16 P.J. Gouthro.....  .000   7-5      0   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   0   0   0   0  .000   0   0   0-0      1   9   2  .833
11 James Lydon......  .000  10-8      0   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   0   0   0   0  .000   0   0   0-0      7   7   0 1.000
14 Brian Hurld......  .000   9-9      0   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   0   0   0   0  .000   0   0   0-0      3  12   0 1.000
28 Sean Donovan.....  .000  13-0      0   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   0   0   0   0  .000   0   0   0-0      3   4   0 1.000
 9 Ryan Willette....  .000   8-0      0   0   0   0   0   0   0    0  .000   0   0   0   0  .000   0   0   0-0      0   1   0 1.000

Totals..............  .320  46-46  1382 302 442  87   7  38 264  657  .475 147  42 235  21  .397  18  16  61-75  1027 410  55  .963
Opponents...........  .259  46-46  1330 197 345  57  14  16 170  478  .359 126  28 254  21  .333  14  20  55-62   987 407  66  .955

LOB - Team (316), Opp (294). DPs turned - Team (24), Opp (27). IBB - Team (3), Simpson 2, Perry 1, Opp (3). Picked off -
Perry 2, Bolin 2, Simpson 2, Dahill 2, Verrochi 2, Porter 1, MacCarthy 1, Lambert 1.

(All games Sorted by Earned run avg)

Player                 ERA   W-L   APP  GS  CG SHO/CBO SV    IP   H   R  ER  BB  SO  2B  3B  HR   AB B/Avg   WP HBP  BK  SFA SHA

20 Mike Malcolm.....  2.68   7-0     9   7   1   0/0    0  43.2  33  15  13  23  30   2   1   0  159  .208    2   0   1    1   1
14 Brian Hurld......  2.68   7-2     9   9   4   2/1    0  53.2  52  18  16   6  41   8   1   1  211  .246    2   2   0    1   3
17 Alex Perry.......  3.00   2-0     4   3   0   0/1    0  15.0  11   5   5   5  18   3   1   0   55  .200    2   2   0    1   0
19 Dan Roberge......  3.18   4-2     9   7   3   1/0    0  45.1  33  19  16  22  33   7   0   1  163  .202    4   4   0    1   2
29 Billy Dunn.......  3.78   0-1    14   0   0   0/1   10  16.2   9   8   7   8  17   2   0   0   56  .161    1   1   0    0   0
22 Sam Podbelski....  4.46   5-0     8   6   0   0/0    0  38.1  46  28  19  13  17   4   2   2  157  .293    5   5   0    3   2
11 James Lydon......  4.47   6-0    10   8   3   0/0    0  52.1  54  32  26  15  37  11   4   4  208  .260    6   2   0    2   3
28 Sean Donovan.....  4.71   1-2    13   0   0   0/0    0  21.0  19  12  11  12  19   2   2   1   78  .244    2   3   0    1   3
16 P.J. Gouthro.....  7.58   2-4     7   5   0   0/0    0  29.2  45  29  25  10  19   9   3   3  123  .366    2   2   0    3   5
--------------
 9 Ryan Willette....  5.68   0-0     8   0   0   0/0    0   6.1   9   4   4   2   2   1   0   2   25  .360    0   2   0    0   0
26 Greg Sousa.......  6.48   0-1    12   0   0   0/1    0   8.1   9   7   6   4   9   2   0   1   35  .257    0   2   0    0   0
23 Eric Brown....... 11.25   0-0    10   1   0   0/0    0   8.0  17  14  10   4   6   5   0   0   40  .425    1   1   0    0   1
25 John Bobrowiecki. 13.50   0-0     4   0   0   0/1    0   2.2   6   4   4   0   6   1   0   1   14  .429    1   1   0    0   0
27 Kevin Simpson.... 13.50   0-0     2   0   0   0/0    0   1.1   2   2   2   2   0   0   0   0    6  .333    0   1   0    1   0

Totals..............  4.31  34-12   46  46  11   5/2   10 342.1 345 197 164 126 254  57  14  16 1330  .259   28  28   1   14  20
Opponents...........  6.29  12-34   46  46   9   0/0    3 329.0 442 302 230 147 235  87   7  38 1382  .320   32  42   9   18  16


Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: DIII Dad on February 16, 2009, 10:29:16 pm
Thanks ECSUalum. I've looked at some of the stats from those schools, but sometimes they can be a little decieving. Just thought I could get a little more insight.
Was looking at the schedule for the Russmatt Baseball 2009
Greater Phoenix Invitational and seems to be attracting more and more good teams. There should be some great games. Unfortunately I can't get to Az.
Does anyone know if there is going to be anyway to track the games as far as score updates or do we have to wait till there over and check the schools web site?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: DIII Dad on February 16, 2009, 10:35:32 pm
May have just answered my own question. I just noticed the Teamline link on the home page for the Az. Invitational. Is that going to be for all games or just certain schools?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: OshDude on February 17, 2009, 02:55:32 am
First off let me say TheGNAC your write ups are great! It looks like the best teams around here are playing some tough early sason games. Good way to see what you have. I follow Wheaton(MA) and was just wondering if any body knows anything about the other teams on there Az. trip as far as good competition goes.
7-Mar Sat RIT (NY)
8-Mar Sun Saint John's (MN)
9-Mar Mon The College of New Jersey
10-Mar Tue The College of New Jersey
10-Mar Tue Rockford (IL)
12-Mar Thu Saint Cloud State (MN)
13-Mar Fri Johns Hopkins (MD)
14-Mar Sat Western New England
15-Mar Sun William Paterson (NJ)
15-Mar Sun Roger Williams

Thanks in advance for any insight I can get.
I would only worry about TCNJ, WNEC, WPU and RWU. Those are the in-region games.
As for the teams from my area, as already stated, St. Cloud isn't the best D-II baseball team, St. John's is a bit below average in Midwest terms and Rockford is very good. Of those three Rockford is by far the best – just a solid club all around. No overpowering pitchers since a RC kid was drafted a couple years ago, but they can hit. There's a good chance Wheaton won't see Rockford's best SPs since it's not in-region. Even in that case Rockford can outscore you. This is an offense that hung 19 on Carthage last year, although against Carthage's lesser pitchers and Rockford lost a few bats, but still ...

That written, I'd be surprised if any of the three Midwest teams knocked off Wheaton.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on February 17, 2009, 12:11:34 pm
Oshdude nice to see you wonder into the NE boards, some good insight for sure.  I would agree about the in-region games d3 dad.  I think that Wheaton will be fine, I think that thier biggest challenge will come in the shape of WNEC.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: kscer on February 17, 2009, 04:39:28 pm
May have just answered my own question. I just noticed the Teamline link on the home page for the Az. Invitational. Is that going to be for all games or just certain schools?
DlllDad
Teamline is usually up to the team to supply the broadcasters, and teamline provides the hook-up through a phone if memory serves me well.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: DIII Dad on February 17, 2009, 09:49:36 pm
Thanks guys for the insight.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on February 18, 2009, 12:37:56 pm
I saw that Western Connecticut started the year off at 1-1 i think they are the only team so far in New England to play a game.  The games were posted on thier website. 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on February 18, 2009, 01:57:37 pm
KSCfan,

Good Catch, I did not even realize WestConn had started.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: SonsofMattNoone on February 25, 2009, 07:03:36 pm
New to the site. Been a long time follower of D3 baseball, and since I moved my family to the Metro West area I've fallen in love with the babson baseball program. Just a heads up to everyone -- I think this team has what it takes to finally get out of the region. After sweeping Wheton in the regular season last year, they return sophmore ace Andrew Aizenstadt who might be the best pitcher in the nation that no one knows about. They head down to Florida in a few weeks to play some teams from the mid-west and should prove exactly what kind of year they are in store for.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: 363dp on February 25, 2009, 08:37:48 pm
Certainly avid baseball fans know what a great freshmen season Aizenstadt had, both on the mound and at SS. For them to win the NEWMAC again would be amazing. They had a great senior class last year, so much leadership, offense and defense to replace. Cannot see them repeating last years success.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: SonsofMattNoone on February 27, 2009, 01:29:03 am
Aizenstadt won't see much time at SS this year as his arm will be saved for Saturdays. Losing Delaney and Tamoush, the Beavers top performers will be tough but look for returners Bryan Evans, Dave Ahern and Jeff Wojnar to step up with the lumber. Also be on the watch for Delaney's replacement, 2nd year Bill Besinger and NEWMAC rookie of the year possible Bill Miller both out of the powerful Catholic Conference to be program changers for this squad.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on March 03, 2009, 08:42:33 am
Babson is a good program, and a program that i do not know much about.  The beavers seem to be at the top of thier conference with Wheaton year in and year out.  They have one of the nicest fields in NE for sure, love that field.  I do think they will be competitive but i dont seem them in sunny beautiful willimantic for the regionals.  They certainly dont shy away from some good team in NE as they have Keene State, Southern Maine, Eastern, and Williams all on thier schedule.  However,  I would have to put Wheaton as the winner of that conference and unless Babson can rattle off some big non league wins i see another trip to the ECAC's for them. 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on March 09, 2009, 08:47:22 am
I see that some New England teams are winning games down in the South.  RIC has started the year off 3-0, with a win over Fitchburg as well.  It may be snowing up here in NE but the teams are south, or heading south this weekend.  Can not wait
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on March 23, 2009, 10:43:29 am
Anyone want to throw out a ne poll.  Here is mine for what it is worth

1. Eastern CT- 10 game winning streak, with a healthy Gilblair puts them at the top of the NE poll in my opinion.

2. Southern Maine 7-1.  The huskies are showing pitching and fielding and beating up on teams.  A very good trip down south as well, has the huskies coming back to play Eastern this upcoming sat.

3. Wheaton- 12-1.  THe Lyons have been playing some great baseball.  They have quality wins over Hopkins, WNEC, and RIC.  Lyons looking good so far

4. Trinity- 8-2 on the year, the defending national champs with a strong showing so far.  Probably head of the NESCAC class at this point.

5. Amherst 7-3  Playing well, have Eastern on April 1, will find out how good they really are

6. RIC- They are 10-3 on the year. Strength of schedule is a little weak, but played Cortland and Wheaton tough, should of beaten Wheaton actually. But still playing some great ball as of right now.

7.  Keene State- I know the owls are 6-6 but the way they have been swinging the bats, if the young arms show up more consistantly the owls will win a lot of games.  Still a game that teams have circled on thier schedules

8. Insert name here, any ideas let me know thanks. NE shaping up to be a very good region again this year
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: NEDIII on March 23, 2009, 11:27:50 am
KSCfan...I think you are a little more knowledgable with the majority of NE teams due to the fact that it seems like you have been to a good amount of games this spring. However, I would have to switch up your order of the top four teams in NE right now.

1. Wheaton - 12-1 record with the strongest spring trip schedule. Pitching staff led by All-American Gingras and seasoned Bernadini prob provides the best one two punch in NE. I don't see them slowing down anytime soon.

2.ECONN - riding a 12 game win streak. The EE can always swing it and Gilblair should be able to put them on his back the rest of the way. It will be interesting to see how this weekends games play out bs. USM.

3. USM - Solid line up that rivals anyone in NE. Capable of beating anyone.

4.Trinity - I think the Bantams might be a little overrated this year. Dropping two to Denison only backs this statement.

*Either way you look at it, I think that the NE region is by far the strongest in the country this year and it could make for a very interesting Regional.

Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: OshDude on March 23, 2009, 11:50:35 am
KSCfan...I think you are a little more knowledgable with the majority of NE teams due to the fact that it seems like you have been to a good amount of games this spring. However, I would have to switch up your order of the top four teams in NE right now.

1. Wheaton - 12-1 record with the strongest spring trip schedule. Pitching staff led by All-American Gingras and seasoned Bernadini prob provides the best one two punch in NE. I don't see them slowing down anytime soon.

2.ECONN - riding a 12 game win streak. The EE can always swing it and Gilblair should be able to put them on his back the rest of the way. It will be interesting to see how this weekends games play out bs. USM.

3. USM - Solid line up that rivals anyone in NE. Capable of beating anyone.

4.Trinity - I think the Bantams might be a little overrated this year. Dropping two to Denison only backs this statement.

*Either way you look at it, I think that the NE region is by far the strongest in the country this year and it could make for a very interesting Regional.
Not sure about "by far," but I think NE may have a slight edge on the Mideast and Midwest in the early going.
ME: Etta, Heidelberg, Wooster, Thiel, Rose, Transy
MW: Scholastica, Oshkosh, St. Thomas, Stevens Point, Whitewater, Olaf

I'll take your teams ... so far ...
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: rbgosfan on March 23, 2009, 12:19:06 pm
To get an idea of strength in NE this year. Johns Hopkins played 5 NE teams in Phoenix (Wheaton, KSC, WNEC, Southern Maine,  East Conn) and got beat by every one of them!
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on March 23, 2009, 01:22:08 pm
Oshdude, you bring up some very good teams from the "mid" region, maybe just my east coast bias.  It is too bad that teams are coming back up north to play almost in region games, and we will not be able to see some of these match ups unless it is in Wisconsin.  I think the top of the NE will be a dog fight all year long and before its all over multiple teams will be polled at the top of NE. 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: OshDude on March 23, 2009, 03:18:22 pm
I think you're right, biased or not. Hard to argue another region is better than NE right now. All of our top MW teams beat up on each other during the regular season, so it probably won't show in the year-end poll. But we have some contenders over here in the flyover states – Scholastica and a few other MIAC/WIAC teams.

That written, I really like Wheaton, ECSU, Trinity and USM this year. Coming from an outsider, I'll take Wheaton among that group for what it's worth.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on March 23, 2009, 05:14:52 pm
Anyone want to throw out a ne poll.  Here is mine for what it is worth

1. Eastern CT- 10 game winning streak, with a healthy Gilblair puts them at the top of the NE poll in my opinion.

2. Southern Maine 7-1.  The huskies are showing pitching and fielding and beating up on teams.  A very good trip down south as well, has the huskies coming back to play Eastern this upcoming sat.

3. Wheaton- 12-1.  THe Lyons have been playing some great baseball.  They have quality wins over Hopkins, WNEC, and RIC.  Lyons looking good so far

4. Trinity- 8-2 on the year, the defending national champs with a strong showing so far.  Probably head of the NESCAC class at this point.

5. Amherst 7-3  Playing well, have Eastern on April 1, will find out how good they really are

6. RIC- They are 10-3 on the year. Strength of schedule is a little weak, but played Cortland and Wheaton tough, should of beaten Wheaton actually. But still playing some great ball as of right now.

7.  Keene State- I know the owls are 6-6 but the way they have been swinging the bats, if the young arms show up more consistantly the owls will win a lot of games.  Still a game that teams have circled on thier schedules

8. Insert name here, any ideas let me know thanks. NE shaping up to be a very good region again this year

Here's my 1st top 8 of the year, with a number of teams with 10+ games under their belts.

TheGNAC's New England Top 8

1. Eastern Connecticut (10-0) - The boys from Willimantic, CT are off to quite the start. Led by my pre-season pick for D-3 Player of the Year in New England, Shawn Gilblair, EConn is absolutely rolling right now. Spotless 10-0 record, .354 team batting average with 16 home runs in 10 games, 20-28 in stolen base attempts, and a 1.88 team ERA. That's otherworldly. I will say I'm a bit skeptical of their schedule thus far, and it would seem that Trinity's 45-1 record from last year will be safe. Still, a quality win over Johns Hopkins, last year's runner-up in the World Series, sure looks good.

2. Wheaton (12-1) - The Lyons were my darkhorse candidate to represent New England in the World Series this year, but it appears they're not going to sneak up on anybody now. Off to a sparkling 12-1 start, Wheaton is sporting a .360 team batting average with 12 home runs through 13 games. Normally a pitching and defensive-powered squad, it appears the Lyons have the offensive firepower this season to hit with anybody. The pitching doesn't appear as sharp as it has been in the past, with a 4.21 team ERA, but with the best 1-2 punch at the top of the rotation in the region in Gingras/Bernardini, I think they'll be fine.

3. Trinity (8-2) - It's official; with 2 losses to Denison last week, the Bantams are not going to go undefeated. Still, I think this squad has what it takes to repeat. Although their website has just 2 games listed, the Bantams are currently 8-2, and they sport one of the more formidable 3-4-5's in division 3 baseball in Killeen-Graham-Wood. Jeremiah Bayer looks to be as sharp as ever (13 K's in 7 innings against Suffolk last week), and when factoring in a comparably weak schedule, it looks like Trinity might once again finish with less than 5 losses in the regular season.

4. Southern Maine (7-1) - I said it earlier in the year; this is the best offense in New England. Through 8 games, they've done nothing to prove me wrong. A .351 team batting average with 10 homers in just 8 games is impressive, but perhaps the most jaw dropping statistic from the Huskies is their stolen bases - 27-31 in just 8 games. That's ridiculous, and shows the athleticism this squad possesses. The running game in college is perhaps the most overlooked aspect of the game, yet inevitably the best teams in the country always steal bases. It still appears USM's weakness is on the mound, as the boys are sporting a less-than-stellar 5.78 ERA. Still, with that offense, the pitching doesn't need to be sharp until Willimantic in May.

5. Suffolk (7-3) - The Rams scheduled one of the tougher spring trip schedules in the region, and they fared pretty well, all things considered. Their first two contests against Eastern CT and USM were snowed out, but Suffolk managed a 7-3 mark in Florida, with quality wins over Ripon, Keystone, and 2007 and 2008's MASCAC Champs in Salem State and Westfield State, respectively. Their only losses came to squads who played in regional tournaments in 2008 (Keystone (split), Rowan, and Trinity). Perhaps more impressive thus far though is Suffolk's win total when compared to their team statistics; just a .295 team batting average and a 4.77 ERA. I expect those figures to improve dramatically in the weak GNAC conference, and I fully expect the Rams to be playing in the regionals in May.

6. Babson College (8-3) - The Beavers were a fixture in these polls in 2008, and had an impressive campaign overall, despite bowing out early in the NEWMAC conference tournament. Babson is once again off to a hot start in 2009, led by an offense firing on all cylinders (.355 team batting average), although I'm not sure they have the explosiveness that the teams in front of them have (just 2 home runs in 11 games).

7. Rhode Island College (10-3) - RIC has burst onto the scenes a bit this season, and it's impossible to argue with their sterling 10-3 record. Still, I'll hold off on putting them higher until they beat a quality opponent, as wins against clubs like Fitchburg State, Elms (2), and Newbury (2) aren't exactly impressive. Still, RIC has a nice .323 team batting average to go along with 28 stolen bases in just 13 games, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them making some serious noise in the ridiculously-talented LEC this year.

8. Keene State College (6-6) - The Owls are easily New England's biggest enigma 1/4 through the season. They have undoubtedly the best offense in New England, if not the country (.392 team batting average, 44 doubles, 13 triples, 7 homers), but their pitching is, for lack of a better word, abysmal. A team ERA of 7.09, and two starters with ERA's of 14.85 and 19.29, respectively. Keene can obviously hit with anybody, but unless they find some dominant arms and soon, I fear they're going to be finding themselves on the outside looking in at both this list and the regional tournament in May.

Just missed: Amherst, WNEC
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3ball123 on March 24, 2009, 05:59:30 am
I've been paying attention to these boards for a while, and decided to sign up so I can throw in my two cents.

The GNAC, I think your poll is dead on.  10-0 is 10-0, and that deserves the top spot at this point in the year (regionally and nationally).  Last year it took too long for Trinity to overtake the top spot, though there was nothing more they could have done throughout the year to prove their case.

KSCfan, I'm curious about why you think RIC "should of beaten" Wheaton.  From what I saw in the box score, RIC was up 5-4 after five innings with their ace on the mound against Wheaton's number 5 starter.  Wheaton's bullpen gave up a run in the 7th, but other than that they were solid.  RIC's bullpen gave up 5 runs in the 8th, and 5 runs in the 9th (all earned runs).  Wheaton was the better team that day.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on March 24, 2009, 07:51:08 am
D3ball123- I can see your point on wheaton and ric.  I did not see the game but i read the box score and listened to our "ric guy" here on the website.  The impression that is that RIC was leading 6-4 going into the 8th.  I feel that anytime you have a 8-6 lead in the 8th you should of won the game.  I give credit to Wheaton for battling back and winning the game, and yes they where the better team that day.  Not to take anything away from Wheaton, if you are beating wheaton by 2 in the 8th you better have someone in the bullpen that can get the job done.  RIC blew a very good chance to beat one of the top teams in NE and put those strength of schedule questions to bed. That is where i was coming from with that one.  If RIC wants to establish itself in the top tier of NE then they need to win these games.

GNAC great write up on the NE poll, once again, a great job breaking down the teams.  I see that our top 4 are very similar and i think everyone can agree that these 4 are the top teams on NE right now.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on March 24, 2009, 10:16:19 am
Following up on my rankings, it appears I've made quite the oversight. Curry is currently 12-2, and are hitting .394 as a club with 17 home runs. They haven't exactly played the most difficult schedule thus far, with their most impressive wins probably coming in a double-header sweep against Bowdoin. Still, 12-2 is 12-2, and their northern schedule should tell if they're pretenders or contenders, with games against Babson, WNEC, and Wheaton on the slate. Re-slotting my teams, I'd probably put Curry 5th, with the teams below them moving down one.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: NEDIII on March 24, 2009, 10:29:06 am
KSCfan & GNAC - I completely agree with most of your analysis of the top NE teams. I think the big reason that made me pick Wheaton as the best overall team right now is thier quality wins thus far. Coach Podbelski has never been one to "pad" his schedule and this has only helped them out further down the road. This years schedule includes wins over DII St. Cloud (22-6), John Hopkins, and TCNJ (twice). Wheaton has always played the top NE teams out of conference. Thier 2009 schedule includes DI Bryant (who is 13-7 in their first year of DI play including wins over Boston College and Virginia Tech.) USM and EConn. I think this has gone unnoticed for quite some time as they tend to do this year in and year out.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: NEDIII on March 24, 2009, 10:35:05 am
...not to mention, WNEC, Suffolk, Roger Williams, RIC and Curry.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3ball123 on March 24, 2009, 11:30:04 am
I just saw on the Brandeis website that their game today with Wheaton has been postponed.  Are other games getting changed because of cold weather??  This seems a little excessive to me...
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: rbgosfan on March 24, 2009, 12:38:45 pm
Yesterday, they postponed New England College at WNEC because of the cold weather. Wind chills are in the 20's and I guess they think that is a little too cold for baseball. It is tough because the sun is shining and the fields are in pretty good shape which is rare for the northeast this early in the season.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on March 24, 2009, 05:20:13 pm
Anyone want to throw out a ne poll.  Here is mine for what it is worth

1. Eastern CT- 10 game winning streak, with a healthy Gilblair puts them at the top of the NE poll in my opinion.

2. Southern Maine 7-1.  The huskies are showing pitching and fielding and beating up on teams.  A very good trip down south as well, has the huskies coming back to play Eastern this upcoming sat.

3. Wheaton- 12-1.  THe Lyons have been playing some great baseball.  They have quality wins over Hopkins, WNEC, and RIC.  Lyons looking good so far

4. Trinity- 8-2 on the year, the defending national champs with a strong showing so far.  Probably head of the NESCAC class at this point.

5. Amherst 7-3  Playing well, have Eastern on April 1, will find out how good they really are

6. RIC- They are 10-3 on the year. Strength of schedule is a little weak, but played Cortland and Wheaton tough, should of beaten Wheaton actually. But still playing some great ball as of right now.

7.  Keene State- I know the owls are 6-6 but the way they have been swinging the bats, if the young arms show up more consistantly the owls will win a lot of games.  Still a game that teams have circled on thier schedules

8. Insert name here, any ideas let me know thanks. NE shaping up to be a very good region again this year

Here's my 1st top 8 of the year, with a number of teams with 10+ games under their belts.

TheGNAC's New England Top 8

1. Eastern Connecticut (10-0) - The boys from Willimantic, CT are off to quite the start. Led by my pre-season pick for D-3 Player of the Year in New England, Shawn Gilblair, EConn is absolutely rolling right now. Spotless 10-0 record, .354 team batting average with 16 home runs in 10 games, 20-28 in stolen base attempts, and a 1.88 team ERA. That's otherworldly. I will say I'm a bit skeptical of their schedule thus far, and it would seem that Trinity's 45-1 record from last year will be safe. Still, a quality win over Johns Hopkins, last year's runner-up in the World Series, sure looks good.

2. Wheaton (12-1) - The Lyons were my darkhorse candidate to represent New England in the World Series this year, but it appears they're not going to sneak up on anybody now. Off to a sparkling 12-1 start, Wheaton is sporting a .360 team batting average with 12 home runs through 13 games. Normally a pitching and defensive-powered squad, it appears the Lyons have the offensive firepower this season to hit with anybody. The pitching doesn't appear as sharp as it has been in the past, with a 4.21 team ERA, but with the best 1-2 punch at the top of the rotation in the region in Gingras/Bernardini, I think they'll be fine.

3. Trinity (8-2) - It's official; with 2 losses to Denison last week, the Bantams are not going to go undefeated. Still, I think this squad has what it takes to repeat. Although their website has just 2 games listed, the Bantams are currently 8-2, and they sport one of the more formidable 3-4-5's in division 3 baseball in Killeen-Graham-Wood. Jeremiah Bayer looks to be as sharp as ever (13 K's in 7 innings against Suffolk last week), and when factoring in a comparably weak schedule, it looks like Trinity might once again finish with less than 5 losses in the regular season.

4. Southern Maine (7-1) - I said it earlier in the year; this is the best offense in New England. Through 8 games, they've done nothing to prove me wrong. A .351 team batting average with 10 homers in just 8 games is impressive, but perhaps the most jaw dropping statistic from the Huskies is their stolen bases - 27-31 in just 8 games. That's ridiculous, and shows the athleticism this squad possesses. The running game in college is perhaps the most overlooked aspect of the game, yet inevitably the best teams in the country always steal bases. It still appears USM's weakness is on the mound, as the boys are sporting a less-than-stellar 5.78 ERA. Still, with that offense, the pitching doesn't need to be sharp until Willimantic in May.

5. Suffolk (7-3) - The Rams scheduled one of the tougher spring trip schedules in the region, and they fared pretty well, all things considered. Their first two contests against Eastern CT and USM were snowed out, but Suffolk managed a 7-3 mark in Florida, with quality wins over Ripon, Keystone, and 2007 and 2008's MASCAC Champs in Salem State and Westfield State, respectively. Their only losses came to squads who played in regional tournaments in 2008 (Keystone (split), Rowan, and Trinity). Perhaps more impressive thus far though is Suffolk's win total when compared to their team statistics; just a .295 team batting average and a 4.77 ERA. I expect those figures to improve dramatically in the weak GNAC conference, and I fully expect the Rams to be playing in the regionals in May.

6. Babson College (8-3) - The Beavers were a fixture in these polls in 2008, and had an impressive campaign overall, despite bowing out early in the NEWMAC conference tournament. Babson is once again off to a hot start in 2009, led by an offense firing on all cylinders (.355 team batting average), although I'm not sure they have the explosiveness that the teams in front of them have (just 2 home runs in 11 games).

7. Rhode Island College (10-3) - RIC has burst onto the scenes a bit this season, and it's impossible to argue with their sterling 10-3 record. Still, I'll hold off on putting them higher until they beat a quality opponent, as wins against clubs like Fitchburg State, Elms (2), and Newbury (2) aren't exactly impressive. Still, RIC has a nice .323 team batting average to go along with 28 stolen bases in just 13 games, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them making some serious noise in the ridiculously-talented LEC this year.

8. Keene State College (6-6) - The Owls are easily New England's biggest enigma 1/4 through the season. They have undoubtedly the best offense in New England, if not the country (.392 team batting average, 44 doubles, 13 triples, 7 homers), but their pitching is, for lack of a better word, abysmal. A team ERA of 7.09, and two starters with ERA's of 14.85 and 19.29, respectively. Keene can obviously hit with anybody, but unless they find some dominant arms and soon, I fear they're going to be finding themselves on the outside looking in at both this list and the regional tournament in May.

Just missed: Amherst, WNEC

GNAC,

You have come through with another wonderful analysis, and not because ECSU is your top pick.

Ever think about writing for Sports Illustrated or Baseball Mag?

Again great, for insight into the top teams!!!! +K
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: SonsofMattNoone on March 24, 2009, 10:21:22 pm
I was in Wellesley this afternoon to see Suffolk take on Babson, and true to GNAC's analysis Suffolk squeeked by with a 2-1 win over the Beavers. Reid Jackson spun a gem for the Rams, while Barton threw 7 strong for the Beavers. Still waiting to see whether either team will really have what it takes to make a run at Wheaton or EConn. I was interested to spot former Trinity captain and stud hurler Mike Regan in the Babson dugout as a first year pitching coach. The staff over there should be very disciplined and will be better off for having Regan around.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on March 24, 2009, 11:04:40 pm
I was in Wellesley this afternoon to see Suffolk take on Babson, and true to GNAC's analysis Suffolk squeeked by with a 2-1 win over the Beavers. Reid Jackson spun a gem for the Rams, while Barton threw 7 strong for the Beavers. Still waiting to see whether either team will really have what it takes to make a run at Wheaton or EConn. I was interested to spot former Trinity captain and stud hurler Mike Regan in the Babson dugout as a first year pitching coach. The staff over there should be very disciplined and will be better off for having Regan around.

Sounds like a good game over at Govoni Field. Jackson's been pretty nasty at times in his career at Suffolk, and it appears he had everything working today in tossing a complete game against a quality Babson club.

I'm mighty interested to see how the GNAC shakes out this year with Suffolk and St. Joe's both fielding quality squads.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2009, 01:39:51 am
Anyone want to throw out a ne poll.  Here is mine for what it is worth

1. Eastern CT- 10 game winning streak, with a healthy Gilblair puts them at the top of the NE poll in my opinion.

2. Southern Maine 7-1.  The huskies are showing pitching and fielding and beating up on teams.  A very good trip down south as well, has the huskies coming back to play Eastern this upcoming sat.

3. Wheaton- 12-1.  THe Lyons have been playing some great baseball.  They have quality wins over Hopkins, WNEC, and RIC.  Lyons looking good so far

4. Trinity- 8-2 on the year, the defending national champs with a strong showing so far.  Probably head of the NESCAC class at this point.

5. Amherst 7-3  Playing well, have Eastern on April 1, will find out how good they really are

6. RIC- They are 10-3 on the year. Strength of schedule is a little weak, but played Cortland and Wheaton tough, should of beaten Wheaton actually. But still playing some great ball as of right now.

7.  Keene State- I know the owls are 6-6 but the way they have been swinging the bats, if the young arms show up more consistantly the owls will win a lot of games.  Still a game that teams have circled on thier schedules

8. Insert name here, any ideas let me know thanks. NE shaping up to be a very good region again this year

Here's my 1st top 8 of the year, with a number of teams with 10+ games under their belts.

TheGNAC's New England Top 8

1. Eastern Connecticut (10-0) - The boys from Willimantic, CT are off to quite the start. Led by my pre-season pick for D-3 Player of the Year in New England, Shawn Gilblair, EConn is absolutely rolling right now. Spotless 10-0 record, .354 team batting average with 16 home runs in 10 games, 20-28 in stolen base attempts, and a 1.88 team ERA. That's otherworldly. I will say I'm a bit skeptical of their schedule thus far, and it would seem that Trinity's 45-1 record from last year will be safe. Still, a quality win over Johns Hopkins, last year's runner-up in the World Series, sure looks good.

2. Wheaton (12-1) - The Lyons were my darkhorse candidate to represent New England in the World Series this year, but it appears they're not going to sneak up on anybody now. Off to a sparkling 12-1 start, Wheaton is sporting a .360 team batting average with 12 home runs through 13 games. Normally a pitching and defensive-powered squad, it appears the Lyons have the offensive firepower this season to hit with anybody. The pitching doesn't appear as sharp as it has been in the past, with a 4.21 team ERA, but with the best 1-2 punch at the top of the rotation in the region in Gingras/Bernardini, I think they'll be fine.

3. Trinity (8-2) - It's official; with 2 losses to Denison last week, the Bantams are not going to go undefeated. Still, I think this squad has what it takes to repeat. Although their website has just 2 games listed, the Bantams are currently 8-2, and they sport one of the more formidable 3-4-5's in division 3 baseball in Killeen-Graham-Wood. Jeremiah Bayer looks to be as sharp as ever (13 K's in 7 innings against Suffolk last week), and when factoring in a comparably weak schedule, it looks like Trinity might once again finish with less than 5 losses in the regular season.

4. Southern Maine (7-1) - I said it earlier in the year; this is the best offense in New England. Through 8 games, they've done nothing to prove me wrong. A .351 team batting average with 10 homers in just 8 games is impressive, but perhaps the most jaw dropping statistic from the Huskies is their stolen bases - 27-31 in just 8 games. That's ridiculous, and shows the athleticism this squad possesses. The running game in college is perhaps the most overlooked aspect of the game, yet inevitably the best teams in the country always steal bases. It still appears USM's weakness is on the mound, as the boys are sporting a less-than-stellar 5.78 ERA. Still, with that offense, the pitching doesn't need to be sharp until Willimantic in May.

5. Suffolk (7-3) - The Rams scheduled one of the tougher spring trip schedules in the region, and they fared pretty well, all things considered. Their first two contests against Eastern CT and USM were snowed out, but Suffolk managed a 7-3 mark in Florida, with quality wins over Ripon, Keystone, and 2007 and 2008's MASCAC Champs in Salem State and Westfield State, respectively. Their only losses came to squads who played in regional tournaments in 2008 (Keystone (split), Rowan, and Trinity). Perhaps more impressive thus far though is Suffolk's win total when compared to their team statistics; just a .295 team batting average and a 4.77 ERA. I expect those figures to improve dramatically in the weak GNAC conference, and I fully expect the Rams to be playing in the regionals in May.

6. Babson College (8-3) - The Beavers were a fixture in these polls in 2008, and had an impressive campaign overall, despite bowing out early in the NEWMAC conference tournament. Babson is once again off to a hot start in 2009, led by an offense firing on all cylinders (.355 team batting average), although I'm not sure they have the explosiveness that the teams in front of them have (just 2 home runs in 11 games).

7. Rhode Island College (10-3) - RIC has burst onto the scenes a bit this season, and it's impossible to argue with their sterling 10-3 record. Still, I'll hold off on putting them higher until they beat a quality opponent, as wins against clubs like Fitchburg State, Elms (2), and Newbury (2) aren't exactly impressive. Still, RIC has a nice .323 team batting average to go along with 28 stolen bases in just 13 games, and I wouldn't be surprised to see them making some serious noise in the ridiculously-talented LEC this year.

8. Keene State College (6-6) - The Owls are easily New England's biggest enigma 1/4 through the season. They have undoubtedly the best offense in New England, if not the country (.392 team batting average, 44 doubles, 13 triples, 7 homers), but their pitching is, for lack of a better word, abysmal. A team ERA of 7.09, and two starters with ERA's of 14.85 and 19.29, respectively. Keene can obviously hit with anybody, but unless they find some dominant arms and soon, I fear they're going to be finding themselves on the outside looking in at both this list and the regional tournament in May.

Just missed: Amherst, WNEC

Good thoughts!  +1!  :)
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on March 26, 2009, 08:44:50 pm
Couple scores are in from games today...

Looks like Keene got a solid pitching performance from sophomore Corey Vogt, as the Owls dropped Babson 4-1 at Govoni Field. Vogt went 6 innings, allowing just 4 hits and no runs while striking out 8. Pretty impressive stat line, as Babson has been crushing the ball thus far this year (hitting .336 as a club after today). Keene improves to 8-6, while Babson falls to 9-5.

No box score is available yet, but Suffolk beat Bridgewater State 6-2 today to improve to 9-3. Bridgewater State falls to 7-8.

Rhode Island College improved to 13-3 on the year today, beating Salem State 10-8. Salem State falls to 6-6.

WNEC traveled to Troy, NY today to take on RPI, and took the worst of it, dropping the contest 13-4. RPI improves to 10-4, and WNEC falls to 8-5.

Wheaton put the hurt on UMass-Dartmouth today, dropping UMD 9-2. Wheaton improves to 13-1 with the victory.

Going into this weekend's conference games, it appears the top four clubs in the region are clear; Eastern CT, Wheaton, USM, and Trinity. Following them, my money is on Suffolk, RIC, Keene, and Curry as the darkhorse candidates to do some damage in the regionals.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on March 27, 2009, 07:58:53 am
The GNAC i think you are right on with your analysis.  I think that the top 4 are pretty clear, however, i feel that any of those other teams you mentioned are capable of getting hot and running off win streaks at anytime.  Game of the weekend in New England is in Willimantic Ct this weekend USM travels to Eastern for a LEC doubleheader
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on March 30, 2009, 08:40:48 am
Another week in the books, and some interesting games might i say.  UMD sweeping Keene on sat said something, as well as an Eastern and USM split still makes me wonder who is better.  Wheaton still rolling along strong, as well as trinity.  ANyone want to throw out another top 8 poll. Here is mine

1. Wheaton- winning 15 straight and rolling.  Lyons seem to be class of NE
2. USM- Beat a healthy Gilblair in split with Eastern
3. Eastern- Split with Southern Maine proves its still to early to pick one ahead of the other, i just picked Eastern 3rd, because Southern Maine beat thier ace
4. Trinity- Defending champs still rolling along just fine.  In sweep over weekend looked strong

It is here after the top 4 where things get interesting.  I feel that these 4 teams have seperated themselves from the rest of NE as of right now.

5. Curry Collge. -Split this weekend with WNEC.  The colonels are i think are something like 15-3.  I still dont think that they are in the league of the top 4 but i think still solidly the 5th best team in New England right now
6.  Suffolk- Rams are 11-3, big game with wheaton coming up on the schedule
7. RIC- split with UMB over the weekend and the anchorheads still have a pretty solid record.
8. I'll go williams college.  After losing first 5 they are now 6-5.  So many teams are floating right at that 500 level its tough to pick one.

Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on March 30, 2009, 06:36:32 pm
I'd like to extend a compliment to the grounds crew at Pierce Field in Providence. They got the field ready to play in very little time yesterday. Waking up Sun. AM there didn't look like there was any chance there would be any games.  After a 2 hour delay St. Joes and J&W were able to get in their doubleheader.  Split, St. Joes taking first, J&W coming back to take 2nd.  The lights were certainly nothing to write home about but the field held up very well.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on March 30, 2009, 07:30:13 pm
It's Monday, and that means it's time for my weekly regional rankings.

1. Wheaton (17-1) - New #1 this week, as the boys from Norton rolled, going 5-0 and beating their opponents by a combined score of 60-12. They're hitting .364 as a team and have a team ERA of 3.69. Not only are they the best team in New England, they just might be the best team in the nation.

2. Eastern CT (14-1) - The Warriors lost their first game of the year this past weekend, splitting a weekend series with rival and fellow top-10 team Southern Maine. The Huskies roughed up EConn star Shawn Gilblair a bit, but the Warriors rebounded well in game two.

3. Southern Maine (12-2) - The Huskies knocked off the #1 team in the land this past weekend, and looked impressive in doing so. They have an offensive that doesn't quit, and Tim Therrien proved on Saturday he is capable of shutting down even the most potent offenses. If Therrien can continue his emergence as a bonafide ace, expect USM to be a fixture in the top 3 here for the remainder of the season.

4. Trinity (12-3) - The defending national champs started the week out strong, but took a hit today, falling to WPI 9-7. The Bantams still rolled in the NESCAC though, sweeping Bowdoin in a 3 game set. It's becoming clear that the Bantams might not be the cream of the crop that we expected them to be.

5. Curry (15-3) - Curry split with conference foe WNEC this weekend, but their results speak for itself. Their offense is perhaps the most potent one in the country that no one is talking about (.391, 17 HR), and Cory Collins has emerged as a stopper (3-0, 1.52 ERA). I think they're the best club in the CCC, with WNEC a close second.

6. Suffolk (11-3) - The Rams had a perfect week, going 4-0 with victories over Babson, Bridgewater, and a two-game shellacking of Rivier (34-0 and 9-1). With conference rivals Johnson and Wales and St. Joe's splitting, Suffolk has the inside track on the #1 seed in the GNAC. A tough test awaits tomorrow, as the Rams will travel south to take on Wheaton.

7. WPI (14-6) - WPI was off to a fine start before today, but after beating Trinity, they've shown they have what it takes to compete with anybody. At 14-6, their record is sterling, and Conor Fahey is one of the top pitchers in the country, capable of beating any team at any time. I don't see them emerging from the NEWMAC this year with Wheaton as good as it is, however if they can run off a few more in-region victories like today, the NCAA Selection Committee would have a difficult time excluding them from regional play.

8. Rhode Island College (14-4) - I was a bit skeptical of the Anchorman last week, as their schedule and wins haven't exactly been overly impressive. They didn't do much to change my views this week, splitting a LEC series with a weak UMass-Boston squad on Saturday. As I said last week, RIC will have to beat some good teams before I annoint them anymore than I have.

Just missed: Williams, Westfield State
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on March 31, 2009, 08:04:03 am
GNAC great call on the top 8, i will admit that i missed WPI so good spot up on that.  I agree with Rhode Island college and its strength of schedule.  I think that they need to win some in conference wins against some of the big boys like Easterna and or USM before i start moving them up the ladder.  Right now i think what is standing out is pitching to me.  The top 4 of NE clearly have pitching, and that is never more evident than down at Keene State. Thier pitching has been up and down, and that is reflected in thier 8-8 record.  The same with Babson, and Williams, pitching up and down and thier records right around 500.  I know the saying says you need pitchiing to win, and that has never been more obvious than in NE this year
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3ball123 on March 31, 2009, 09:23:25 am
"THE GNAC's" Top 4 Pitching Stats:

Wheaton: 18 Games, 3.69 ERA, 163 Hits, 77 Runs (65 Earned), 42 BB, 128 K

ECSU: 15 Games, 3.50 ERA, 117 Hits, 75 Runs (51 Earned), 54 BB, 126 K

USM: 14 Games, 5.21 ERA, 135 Hits, 80 Runs (66 Earned), 44 BB, 98 K

Trinity: 15 Games, 4.24 ERA, 113 Hits, 84 Runs (56 Earned), 76 BB, 107 K


If pitching wins, Wheaton and ECSU have separated themselves to this point, in my opinion.  And for those that may argue that Trinity and USM have potent offenses to make up for the discrepancy, consider the following:

Trinity: 8.9 runs scored per game
USM: 10.6 runs scored per game
ECSU: 10.2 runs scored per game
Wheaton: 10.8 runs scored per game

Thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on March 31, 2009, 10:05:26 am
"THE GNAC's" Top 4 Pitching Stats:

Wheaton: 18 Games, 3.69 ERA, 163 Hits, 77 Runs (65 Earned), 42 BB, 128 K

ECSU: 15 Games, 3.50 ERA, 117 Hits, 75 Runs (51 Earned), 54 BB, 126 K

USM: 14 Games, 5.21 ERA, 135 Hits, 80 Runs (66 Earned), 44 BB, 98 K

Trinity: 15 Games, 4.24 ERA, 113 Hits, 84 Runs (56 Earned), 76 BB, 107 K


If pitching wins, Wheaton and ECSU have separated themselves to this point, in my opinion.  And for those that may argue that Trinity and USM have potent offenses to make up for the discrepancy, consider the following:

Trinity: 8.9 runs scored per game
USM: 10.6 runs scored per game
ECSU: 10.2 runs scored per game
Wheaton: 10.8 runs scored per game

Thoughts?

I've contended for a while now that I'm not sure Southern Maine has the pitching to win the region this year, no matter how awesome they are offensively. Therrien's performance over the weekend is obviously encouraging, but the other 3 teams, Trinity included, all have a bonafide All-American ace. USM doesn't. Although Trinity probably has the least amount of pitching depth out of the four.

Still, when Wheaton can run out a one-two of Bernardini-Gingras with Barnes and Simmons at the end of games, that's just silly. Same at Eastern, with Gilblair-Fontaine-Musson and Dutton and Wojick at the end of games.

Obviously the national polls agree, as Eastern and Wheaton are the #1 and #2 teams in the land as of today.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3ball123 on March 31, 2009, 10:18:15 am
"THE GNAC's" Top 4 Pitching Stats:

Wheaton: 18 Games, 3.69 ERA, 163 Hits, 77 Runs (65 Earned), 42 BB, 128 K

ECSU: 15 Games, 3.50 ERA, 117 Hits, 75 Runs (51 Earned), 54 BB, 126 K

USM: 14 Games, 5.21 ERA, 135 Hits, 80 Runs (66 Earned), 44 BB, 98 K

Trinity: 15 Games, 4.24 ERA, 113 Hits, 84 Runs (56 Earned), 76 BB, 107 K


If pitching wins, Wheaton and ECSU have separated themselves to this point, in my opinion.  And for those that may argue that Trinity and USM have potent offenses to make up for the discrepancy, consider the following:

Trinity: 8.9 runs scored per game
USM: 10.6 runs scored per game
ECSU: 10.2 runs scored per game
Wheaton: 10.8 runs scored per game

Thoughts?

I've contended for a while now that I'm not sure Southern Maine has the pitching to win the region this year, no matter how awesome they are offensively. Therrien's performance over the weekend is obviously encouraging, but the other 3 teams, Trinity included, all have a bonafide All-American ace. USM doesn't. Although Trinity probably has the least amount of pitching depth out of the four.

Still, when Wheaton can run out a one-two of Bernardini-Gingras with Barnes and Simmons at the end of games, that's just silly. Same at Eastern, with Gilblair-Fontaine-Musson and Dutton and Wojick at the end of games.

Obviously the national polls agree, as Eastern and Wheaton are the #1 and #2 teams in the land as of today.



I agree.  I decided to throw the stats out there in order to validate your top 4, and somewhat contend KSCfan's statement that the "top 4 of NE clearly have pitching."
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on March 31, 2009, 11:52:23 am
dball123- Yes USM's pitching era is a bit high, buti feel like thier starters can hold the game close enough to let thier offense do the trick.  I guess what i was trying to say is that as long as thier starters can keep it close thier offense can pick up the slack.  Therrian looked good in his start against eastern as well.  In order to compete at the top of NE you need to have a bullpen, 3 to 4 quality starters and an offense that can hit a bit.  I was trying to say that the top 4 all have these.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on March 31, 2009, 12:34:06 pm
This illustrates ECSU pitching depth:


Player                 era  w-l app-gs  cg  sho  sv  ip  h  r  er  bb  so  2b  3b  hr  ab  b/avg   

Jim Schult           0.75  1-0  2-2     0  0/0  0  12.0  10  3  1  4  7  1  0  0  43  .233   
James Kukucka   1.08  1-0  5-2    0  0/1  0  16.2  11  7  2  5  7  4  0  0  61  .180   
Mike Tingley       1.23  1-0  3-1     0  0/0  0  7.1  5  1  1  2  12  1  0  0  25  .200   
Wes Dutton       1.42  0-0  7-0     0  0/1  0  12.2  6  5  2  4  8  1  0  1  42  .143   
Chris Wojick       1.74  1-0  7-0    0  0/1  2  10.1  7  4  2  7  12  0  0  0  37  .189   
Matt Fontaine    2.16  2-0  6-2    0  0/0  1  16.2  12  7  4  7  15  2  0  0  61  .197   
Will Musson       2.53  3-0  5-3    0  0/1  0  21.1  13  7  6  9  21  3  0  2  72  .181   
Andrew Morr.     3.00  1-0  2-0    0  0/0  0  3.0  5  2  1  2  1  1  0  0  15  .333  0   
Shawn Gilblair   4.85  2-1  3-3    0  0/1  0  13.0  16  9  7  3  24  2  0  3  56  .286   
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on March 31, 2009, 08:34:24 pm
Suffolk beat Wheaton 4-2 today down in Norton. Ranked 2nd nationally in today's D3Baseball.com poll, the Lyons lose just their 2nd game of the season and 1st in almost a month, falling to 17-2. Suffolk wins for the 11th time in 12 contests, improving to 12-3 on the year.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: RSSmith on March 31, 2009, 09:35:09 pm
Suffolk beat Wheaton 4-2 today down in Norton. Ranked 2nd nationally in today's D3Baseball.com poll, the Lyons lose just their 2nd game of the season and 1st in almost a month, falling to 17-2. Suffolk wins for the 11th time in 12 contests, improving to 12-3 on the year.


And Bowdoin 7-USM 4, and Bridgewater State 10-RIC 4

Upsetville in New England today, eh?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 01, 2009, 08:52:39 am
Suffolk beating wheaton is a surprise but i think that they will win some games before the end of the year.  The rams are 12-3 on the year, and that is not too bad.  Wheaton's win streak wasnt going to go on forever.  Bridgewater over RIC i dont find that amazing because RIC has been questionable all year long. With a loss to UMass Boston and now Bridgewater it seems that RIC is coing down to earth a little bit after a hot start. 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jcon8958 on April 01, 2009, 04:01:32 pm
I have said from Day one the RIC was an oveerrated teams and its starting to show up a little bit more every game......
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 01, 2009, 10:01:48 pm
Maybe some of you know this web site,  maps.live.com, it provides very clear close up birds eye views of any address you type in and in addition you can rotate the view in 4 directions.

Check out ECSU's Baseball stadium on this.

Under "Location", type in  Eastern Connecticut State University, and then click and drag the view north of Route 6

Here the URL for Eastern's Baseball Stadium:

http://maps.live.com/#JndoZXJlMT1FYXN0ZXJuK0Nvbm5lY3RpY3V0K1N0YXRlK3VuaXZlcnNpdHkrJmJiPTQwLjc0NDkwNzkxMzgyNDQlN2UtNzQuMDIzMjQ0NjY5NDc5NyU3ZTQwLjc0MzA5MDYxNDI4ODUlN2UtNzQuMDI3MjI4NzIwMDI1



 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: santeezy06 on April 01, 2009, 10:33:04 pm
JCon,

Did someone from RIC do something to you when you were younger. RIC still isn't overrated we have been pitching younger pitchers to get them started up, the thing with young pitchers you should know is they miss spots. Like UMB does on a consistent basis. WE played you guys you pulled off a win now move on, we had 5 errors in that game, 2 of which were by a beat up shortstop that shouldn't had probably played in the game. No excuses but you saw him go down, his ankle is still injured. I don't see what your beef is with the team cause I believe in pitching we are ranked #3 in batting #4 fielding # 2 in the LEC. So overrated were not, but apparently hated by you. You can't win them all and in your teams case they might not win 10 games this year. I had said it before we will contend with teams, we are not a dominate threat.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Jcon8958 on April 02, 2009, 12:28:40 pm
I just dont like how a team plays a in my option very padded Scheduele I never said they werre a bad team but i feel if they played better teams there record would not be as good as it is thats all I am saying.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 06, 2009, 10:45:12 am
Its monday and here is a new NE top 8 in my opinion

1. USM- Beat up on Wheaton hard yesterday and seem to be rolling right along.  With a Wheaton victory and an Eastern CT loss im picking the huskies as tops of NE right now
2. Trinity- Sweep of Tufts has the Bantams in my number 2 spot. Defending national champions continue to play good ball, espically in the NESCAC
3. Wheaton- Got waxed by USM sees them drop to 3 this week.  Still not that concerned about them.  Im sure they will be just fine
4. Eastern- Surprise loss to UMD was exciting, but quickly got back on track with a beating of Plymouth stat the next day
5. Curry College 16-3 on the year- did not play on the weekend.  Must of been a bye week
6. Suffolk- 3-1 on the weekend, Split with J&W and a sweep of Emerson has them at 15-4.  Rams are a very strong team this year.   Look for them to be at Eastern this year for the regional
7. Williams- on a ten game win streak.  Ephs are looking to stay hot
8.  Keene State- won three games over the weekend, bats looking to stay hot.

Dropped out- RIC, WPI  WPI is 15-9 i think that Keene beats them head to head, RIC is in the midst of looking the worse they have looked all year
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on April 06, 2009, 04:19:54 pm
TheGNAC's Weekly New England Rankings - 3rd week in, and we have a new number one.

1. Southern Maine (14-3) - The Huskies made perhaps the week's biggest statement yesterday, beating #2 Wheaton 14-3 in Norton, MA. This game pitted Wheaton's All-American Adam Gingras against USM's ace-apparent Tim Therrien, with Gingras taking the brunt of it. The Huskies have shown once again they can put a hurting on any pitcher, regardless of pedigree, as they have now knocked around two All-American studs in ECSU's Shawn Gilblair and Gingras. If Therrien can continue his emergence as one of the top pitchers in New England, the Huskies are going to very difficult to beat in both the LEC and the regionals.

2. Eastern Connecticut (18-2) - The Warriors have spent much of the young season receiving a lot of hype, all of it deserved. Still, they haven't been immune to the occasional hiccup this season, either, as this past week proved. The Warriors, for lack of a better term, layed an egg this past weekend, dropping a game to lowly UMass-Dartmouth 4-3 on Saturday. ECSU rebounded nicely on Sunday however, sweeping a two game set with with Plymouth State by a combined score of 33-1. As usual, the offense continues to roll along, as ECSU is hitting a collective .354 with 28 homers, tops in New England. The pitching has also been nothing short of stellar, with a cumulative team ERA of 3.17. Shawn Gilblair continues to shine on both sides, hitting .394 with 25 RBI to go along with a 3-1 record, 3.15 ERA and an eye-popping 36 K's in just 20 innings.

3. Wheaton (20-3) - The first and only team in the region with 20 wins, Wheaton still had by it's standards a fairly awful week, dropping games to Suffolk and Southern Maine, both times at home. Worse, it apears the Lyons two aces, Gingras and Bernardini, are human, too. Gingras took the aforementioned loss against USM, while Bernardini took a no decision against Coast Guard, allowing 8 hits and 5 earned runs in just 4 innings on Saturday. Still, the Wheaton offense has few peers, both in this region and nationally, as they sport a .358 team batting average with 21 homers. No team is immune to occasional bumps in the road, and I fully expect Wheaton to continue rolling right along this week, on their way to yet another NEWMAC title.

4. Trinity (15-3) - The defending national champions haven't seen things come as easily in '09 as they did in '08, but they are still doing pretty well, regardless. Sitting at 15-3 and 6-0 in the NESCAC, it appears the Bantams remain one of the top teams both in the region and in the country. All-Americans Kent Graham and Sean Killeen continue to power the Trinity attack, with both players hitting well over .400 with 4 home runs each. Fellow All-American Jeremiah Bayer hasn't missed a beat on the mound, as the dominating RHP is 5-0 with a 1.78 ERA. With the rest of the NESCAC comparatively weak, it appears the Bantams are on their way to yet another regional tournament.

5. Suffolk (15-4) - The Rams had an interesting week. On Tuesday they knocked off #2 Wheaton 4-2, then knocked off conference rival Johnson and Wales 8-1 in the first game of a doubleheader on Saturday. They followed the strong effort in game one with an absolute stinker in game two, spotting JWU 5 runs in the 1st inning before succumbing 5-3. They righted the ship on Sunday, sweeping Emerson by a combined score of 23-4. As it stands today, 3 of Suffolk's 4 losses have come against clubs who played in regional tournaments in 2007, and they appear to have one of the stronger pitching staffs in the region, as their 3.34 team ERA can attest to. The Rams have six games on the slate this week, all at home, and it is quite possible that they'll go 6-0 in the span. If so, it's safe to say the top four in New England are going to be feeling the pressure, from both Suffolk and...

6. Curry (17-3) - I think it's safe to say that the top 5 clubs and Curry have emerged as the bonafide powers in New England this year. In my opinion, the dropoff between Curry and Southern Maine is a lot closer than the dropoff between Curry and Worcester State, for example. Curry continues to roll right along, sitting a 17-3 with a .385 team batting average. Offensively, they are led by Rick Vail, who has an eye-popping .530 batting average to go along with 6 home runs. It's safe to say he's the front runner for New England Player of the Year right now. 3 others (Tim Sweeney, Jesse Bruinsma, and Ralph Renzulli) are hitting over .400, so offensively, they can hang with anyone. As the old adage goes however, pitching wins championships, and I fear Curry might come up on the short end in that department, as their 5.04 team ERA shows. Still, they're the cream of the crop in the CCC, and should emerge from that conference and contend in Willimantic in May.

7. Williams (10-5) - It's been an interesting season thus far for the Ephs, as they have needed 9 straight wins to get to where they are now at 10-5. Still, any team that can string together 9 straight victories deserves props, and it appears Williams is the best of the rest outside of the Big Six. Although their victories have been less than impressive, 10-5 is 10-5, and the Ephs pose the best threat to Trinity's NESCAC hopes.

8. St. Joe's (ME) (14-7) - The Monks, on the strength of a 5-0 week in which they outscored their opponents 101-8, are making their first appearance in my top 8. Although their schedules is always less than impressive, it is impossible to deny St. Joe's their due right now. Sitting at 14-7 and 7-1 in the GNAC, the Monks look poised to once again make a run at a regional tournament bid. Led by sophomore sensation Ian Lee (.500 average, 24 RBI), the club is hitting a collective .366, although that number is no doubt inflated thanks in part to the shellacking they put on Rivier, Lasell, and Husson this past week. Still, they can hit with anybody. On the mound, it appears Pat Moran has decided to make me look like a genius, albeit a year late. The transfer from UMaine, who I picked as my Pitcher of the Year in the GNAC in 2008, is in his second season in Standish, and has been nothing short of dominant on the mound, sporting a sparkling 4-0 record to go along with his 2.45 ERA and 39 K's in just 36 IP. SJC did drop a game to JWU earlier in the year (as did Suffolk), but it's becoming clearer by the day that Suffolk and St. Joe's are the two horses in that conference. Expect whichever club that doesn't win the automatic bid to receive strong consideration for an at-large.

Just missed: WPI, RIC, Worcester State
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: dchevy5 on April 06, 2009, 04:38:43 pm
GNAC

I enjoy reading your rankings and they are pretty much right on.  Just wondering, though, about your just misses- RIC???  Did you mean KSC.  RIC lost double-header to KSC and then were shellacked by Western Ct the next day, while KSC put a hurt on Brandeis.  KSC does have a ways to go, and needs to run off several consecutive wins to regain the respect they had in the pre-season.  A big test next weekend when they visit USM for DH on Saturday.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on April 06, 2009, 04:44:39 pm
DChevy,

good call. I do try and check up on all the clubs, but it's difficult to keep track of all the teams, who they've beaten, etc. Regarding KSC vs. RIC, that's an oversight on my part, and I actually should have termed the "Just missed" as "Dropped out," since both RIC and WPI were ranked last week, and not this week.

As for Keene, I think they've suffered in rankings like these due mostly to their early season struggles. You're absolutely right though, the Owls have certainly seemed to turn a corner as of late, and as I've contended all along, they have arguably the best offense in the country (I'd put KSC, USM, and ECSU as 1, 1A, and 1B in that regard). I fully expect them to be contending in the LEC tourney, and it wouldn't surprise me if they're close to 30 wins by that time. If they continue to perform, there's no doubt they'll be knocking on the door of my rankings, perhaps even next week.

Thanks for the comments, it's all appreciated.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on April 06, 2009, 04:46:38 pm
Also, for all the KSC fans, this should brighten your day (I hate this weather) a bit.

New England Divisions III College Baseball Coaches Polls
(Conducted by New England College Baseball Coaches, First Place Votes
in parentheses, followed by record and total points)

Division III
1. Eastern Connecticut 18-2 35 pts.
1. Wheaton 20-3 35 pts.
3. Southern Maine 14-3 30 pts.
4. Trinity 15-3 29 pts.
5. Suffolk 15-4 19 pts.
6. Curry 17-3 14 pts.
7. Rhode Island College 15-8 4 pts.
8. Keene State 11-8 3 pts.
8. Wentworth 17-6-1 3 pts.
8. Western New England 15-9 3 pts.
Also Receiving Votes: Williams (2), St. Joseph’s, Me. (1).

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Appears I've overlooked Wentworth and WNEC, as well. Ah well, to each his own, I suppose.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on April 06, 2009, 05:09:04 pm
Also, for all the KSC fans, this should brighten your day (I hate this weather) a bit.

New England Divisions III College Baseball Coaches Polls
(Conducted by New England College Baseball Coaches, First Place Votes
in parentheses, followed by record and total points)

Division III
1. Eastern Connecticut 18-2 35 pts.
1. Wheaton 20-3 35 pts.
3. Southern Maine 14-3 30 pts.
4. Trinity 15-3 29 pts.
5. Suffolk 15-4 19 pts.
6. Curry 17-3 14 pts.
7. Rhode Island College 15-8 4 pts.
8. Keene State 11-8 3 pts.
8. Wentworth 17-6-1 3 pts.
8. Western New England 15-9 3 pts.
Also Receiving Votes: Williams (2), St. Joseph’s, Me. (1).

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Appears I've overlooked Wentworth and WNEC, as well. Ah well, to each his own, I suppose.

I think you do a great job with your picks and you are right each to his own.  Imagine the work involved with ranking the entire country.....then you have people that bitch about it, each to his own.  I think Maine should be #1 for the same reasons.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: DougiesGoinDeep on April 06, 2009, 05:25:54 pm
GNAC,

As always, great analysis.

I said this at the beginning of the season, but the regional at ESCU this year will be absolutely loaded. So much so, that it looks like a team like Southern Maine who if they do not win the LEC, could run the table in the New York regional as an at large and we could easily see 2 New England teams in Wisconsin this year. It may actually be a blessing to be shipped to New York this year and take your chances there, as whoever comes out of the New England regional will definitely have to earn it. It will certainly be an exciting next month, good luck to everyone.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on April 06, 2009, 05:47:50 pm
GNAC,

As always, great analysis.

I said this at the beginning of the season, but the regional at ESCU this year will be absolutely loaded. So much so, that it looks like a team like Southern Maine who if they do not win the LEC, could run the table in the New York regional as an at large and we could easily see 2 New England teams in Wisconsin this year. It may actually be a blessing to be shipped to New York this year and take your chances there, as whoever comes out of the New England regional will definitely have to earn it. It will certainly be an exciting next month, good luck to everyone.

I think Maine could stay in New England win or lose the LEC, they are going to have 30+ wins.  Keene and ECSU went to the Cape in 07.  What a regional that is going to be, if all goes as planned, ECSU, USM, Wheaton, Trinity, ST. Joe, Suffolk ? ? ? tough tough stuff.  I do agree with you that any one of them may want to get shipped out to NY this year to avoid that murderers row of teams but if they go to NY they without a doubt will still have to earn it. 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 06, 2009, 05:50:11 pm
GNAC,
+1K for another great analysis.
Dougies, Can't Agree with you more
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on April 06, 2009, 09:01:07 pm
Wouldn't Trin out of anyone have the best chance of being shipped out of NE?  The NCAA is always looking to save $$ and since USM is 8 hours away from NY and EConn is the host team, it would seem likely that Trinity would be the team to go to the NY regional.

NE is a juggernaut this year.  Keep the title in the region.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on April 06, 2009, 10:01:30 pm
Wouldn't Trin out of anyone have the best chance of being shipped out of NE?  The NCAA is always looking to save $$ and since USM is 8 hours away from NY and EConn is the host team, it would seem likely that Trinity would be the team to go to the NY regional.

NE is a juggernaut this year.  Keep the title in the region.

I don't know.....but if Trinity wins it's conference and tourney, I don't think they send them, and even if ESCU loses to Maine in the LEC tourney it would be hard to send the host out I think.  ESCU won the LEC tourney in 06 and shipped out although they didn't have a great record.  It could be interesting with some of the decisions the NCAA may have to make at the end of the year.  I know it's half a season away but if things go as planned and the teams are who we think they are it could be interesting come May.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on April 07, 2009, 08:43:42 pm
Williams with a big win over Fordham today...Love to see the DIII's over the DI's!! 

Does a win over a DI give Williams any extra help when it comes down to a possible at large bid?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: John McGraw on April 07, 2009, 09:30:33 pm
Williams with a big win over Fordham today...Love to see the DIII's over the DI's!! 

Does a win over a DI give Williams any extra help when it comes down to a possible at large bid?

Nope though obviously it won't hurt them.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on April 10, 2009, 08:34:42 pm
Checking in on the New England scene once again.

Bridgewater State sweeps Westfield State in a MASCAC doubleheader. Not good for Westfield at all. Westfield falls to 14-9, with a less than stellar 2-4 mark in league play. Bridgewater improves to 13-11, and an impressive 5-1 record in league play.

In GNAC action, Suffolk takes two from lowly Norwich, 7-1 and 20-3. The Rams improve to 19-4 on the season, while Norwich falls to an embarrassing 0-18-1. Suffolk moves into a first place tie with St. Joe's of Maine in the GNAC, with both clubs sitting at 7-1.

It seems upsets are becoming quite regular in New England this season, and we had another today, as Western Connecticut upends #1 Eastern Connecticut 5-3. Eastern falls to 19-5 (3-3 LEC), while WConn improves to 10-11 (3-1 LEC). Not a good loss for Eastern, I'll have more on that in a bit.

Trinity continues to roll, beating Bates 14-2 today. The Bantams improve to 16-3 on the year, and a perfect 7-0 mark in NESCAC play.

Curry continues to impress as well, beating Babson 10-3 today to improve to 21-3. Babson falls to 13-12 with the loss.

Wheaton likewise continues their torrid pace, knocking around WNEC ace Jason Pizzoferrato and emerging with the 7-4 victory. Wheaton improves to 22-3, while WNEC falls to 16-10.

Keene continues on the up and up, winning their 6th straight game today, knocking off Plymouth State 17-0. The Owls improve to 13-8 on the year.

Southern Maine knocked off UMass-Boston 13-12 today in LEC action, as the Huskies improve to 18-3 with the win. With the loss, the Beacons fall to 8-15.

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Interesting turn of events with Western Connecticut knocking off Eastern today. The loss is the Warriors 5th of the year, which is more losses than Wheaton, Trinity, Southern Maine, Curry, and Suffolk have. That's not to say I think all of those teams are better than Eastern's. I don't think that's the case. Nevertheless, it's interesting to note, and makes one wonder if EConn is really deserving of the #1 ranking in New England, nevermind the nation.

With tomorrow's outcomes undecided, I think I'd have to rank those teams as follows;

1. Southern Maine (18-3)
2. Wheaton (22-3)
3. Trinity (16-3)
4. Curry (21-3)
5. Eastern Connecticut (19-5)
6. Suffolk (19-4)
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As I've also stated a number of times on this board, I think those 6 teams are far and away the top six clubs in New England this year.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 13, 2009, 09:50:51 am
Gnac once again some great analysis on NE.  I could not agree with you more about the top 6 in NE right now.  I was trying to fill out a 7 and 8 after your six.  There was no real clear cut favorites for those spots.  It seems that everytime a potential 7 or 8 top team in NE is about to emerge they will lose and muddle the picture up again.  I dont know if i would have Curry ahead of Eastern though.  Maybe its my LEC bais but regardless of the records i still think that Eastern is a more talented team, and would win head to head against curry.  Curry is very good, however i still think that Eastern is a better team.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 13, 2009, 12:14:20 pm
I think ECSU now has to earn any new respect they get after being beaten by UMD and WestConn.  We will see, but the offense needs to step it up a notch or two.  TCCC looks to have some very competitive teams this year, with WNEC and Curry looking strong.

Hopefully Coach H gets the Warriors back on track soon, or it could look ugly for "TEE" by the time the LEC Tourney/NE Regional rolls around.

Southern Maine, Trinity and Wheaton and WNEC look to be ready to punch thier tickets to post season play at this time.

I hope ECSU gets fired up soon ;)
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on April 14, 2009, 08:48:33 pm
Eastern's sweep of RIC yesterday helps stop the downward spiral. It will be interesting to see how they respond at Bridgewater State tomorrow and against UMD on Friday.

Curry shuts out Wheaton today 5-0 to give them another quality win.

Don't forget WPI in the NEWMAC - Fahey with another great pitching line

WPI                    IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF  NP   ERA
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Conor Fahey.........  8.0  2  0  0  2 10 23 27   -  1.64
Kyle Boucher........  1.0  1  0  0  1  0  3  4   - 11.17

Coast Guard            IP  H  R ER BB SO AB BF  NP   ERA
--------------------------------------------------------
Pete Schofield......  3.0  5  9  7  5  1 15 21   -  4.86
Ben Barrett.........  5.0  5  4  2  1  1 20 23   - 10.67
Joe Petry...........  1.0  0  0  0  0  0  3  3   -  3.18

Win - Fahey (4-1).  Loss - Schofield (3-3).  Save - None.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 14, 2009, 09:16:58 pm
I think ECSU now has to earn any new respect they get after being beaten by UMD and WestConn.  We will see, but the offense needs to step it up a notch or two.  TCCC looks to have some very competitive teams this year, with WNEC and Curry looking strong.

Hopefully Coach H gets the Warriors back on track soon, or it could look ugly for "TEE" by the time the LEC Tourney/NE Regional rolls around.

Southern Maine, Trinity and Wheaton and WNEC look to be ready to punch thier tickets to post season play at this time.

I hope ECSU gets fired up soon ;)


ECSU needs to provide some run producction for the 3rd (Fontaine) and 4th (Kuch) in the rotation.  Park needs to recover from his slump, and we need to improve our defense, as .945 ish FP will not cut it in the NCAA Regionals/Nationals
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on April 14, 2009, 09:45:57 pm
I think ECSU now has to earn any new respect they get after being beaten by UMD and WestConn.  We will see, but the offense needs to step it up a notch or two.  TCCC looks to have some very competitive teams this year, with WNEC and Curry looking strong.

Hopefully Coach H gets the Warriors back on track soon, or it could look ugly for "TEE" by the time the LEC Tourney/NE Regional rolls around.

Southern Maine, Trinity and Wheaton and WNEC look to be ready to punch thier tickets to post season play at this time.

I hope ECSU gets fired up soon ;)


ECSU needs to provide some run producction for the 3rd (Fontaine) and 4th (Kuch) in the rotation.  Park needs to recover from his slump, and we need to improve our defense, as .945 ish FP will not cut it in the NCAA Regionals/Nationals

Matt has been on the short end of runs and he has pitch more than well enough to be 4-0 in my opinion.  One defensive play against UMD and one key hit against Wconn and he would be 4-0.  The 4th needs to pitch past the fourth more often.  Losing to Montclair as bad as it was and losing to WNEC as bad as it was is not that hard to take because they are in my opinion quality teams.  Now, not to disparage UMD or WCONN I just dont think we should lose to them this year with this team, so to me those are two bad loses this year.  Now like I said Matt pitched well in both those games and deserved better outcomes based on his game and if ECSu were 23-3 everyone would still feel pretty warm and fuzzy....yes?  SO lets put the two behind us and get going again.  This week is good with a couple days off and then we hit a good stretch of games that will tell us what TEE is this year.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on April 15, 2009, 10:50:39 pm
I'm a few days late, but here are my weekly rankings. Bit of a shake-up this week.

1. Southern Maine (22-3) - The Huskies continue to roll, as they went 8-0 since my last ranking, where they were also 1st. I still contend they have the most powerful offense in the region (although Curry is making a strong case for themselves, more on that later), and they just continue to win ballgames. The 5.37 team ERA is a bit scary, but when you can hit like they can, it's pretty much a non-factor.

2. Trinity (18-3) - Lost amid all the strong showings and high rankings for New England teams thus far has been Trinity's steady play. While teams like Wheaton and Eastern Connecticut falter a bit, the Bantams just continue to win. They've only played 3 games since the last ranking, but they're sitting at 9-0 in the NESCAC, and should win that conference handily.

3. Curry (24-3) - It's official: the Colonels are for real. 7-0 since the last rankings, the Colonels are tied for 1st in the region in wins with 24, and posted a convincing 5-0 victory over Wheaton yesterday to prove their status as a contender. Statistically, they have the nation's #1 offense, as they're hitting an astounding .387 as a club with 28 home runs. The pitching has also been solid, and shutting out a high-powered Wheaton offense as they did yesterday is certainly something to hang their hat on. Expect the Colonels to make a legitimate run at the CWS this year.

4. Wheaton (24-4) - The Lyons went 4-1 on the week, but that one loss came to Curry, which is why the two teams are ranked where they are. Still, make no mistake about it; Wheaton is a club to be reckoned with. They hit like crazy, have dominated the NEWMAC (9-0), and haven't even pitched to their capabilities yet. If Louie Bernardini can take his game to the levels it was at in 2007, look out.

5. Suffolk (22-5) - The Rams were rolling as of the last ranking, winners of 8 straight games before yesterday, when they suffered a setback to an underrated UMass-Boston club 13-8. They rebounded nicely today however, beating WNEC 6-3 to move their record to 22-5. Tied for 1st in the conference at 9-1 with St. Joe's, Suffolk has a number of impressive victories on their resume, including wins over #3 Wheaton and #19 Keystone. Statistically, they can pitch with anyone in the country (3.05 team ERA), and have swung it well, too (.326 BA). Expect this weekend's double header with St. Joe's to be a barnburner, as Suffolk takes the #1 seed with a split or better, but falls to #3 and a play-in game if they're swept.

6. Eastern CT (21-6) - I'm sure this is not a popular pick among many here, but I think it's justified. Simply put, the Warriors are playing bad baseball. They're 3-4 since the last ranking, with less-than-stellar losses to Western CT and Bridgewater State. Their statistical splits are impressive (.331, 3.38 ERA), but until they right the ship, I don't see how they can be placed ahead of the 5 listed above.

7. St. Joe's (ME) (21-9) - The Monks went 7-2 since the last ranking, and look to be a legitimate contender along with Suffolk in the GNAC. Their offense is deadly (.355 BA), and they also have one of the best pitchers in the region in Pat Moran, a true ace and All-American candidate (5-0, 2.40 ERA, 45 IP, 53 K, 3 BB). As stated earlier, this Sunday's affair up in Standish with Suffolk should be quite the double header, as St. Joe's needs a split or better to avoid the #3 seed.

8. WPI (19-9) - The 8 seed was a toss-up, but with a 4-0 run, it goes to the smart gentlemen from Worcester. WPI has a quality record in a tough conference, and they've also posted convincing wins over St. Joe's, Worcester State, and Trinity. Conor Fahey is another All-American candidate (4-1, 1.64 ERA, 55 IP, 69 K), and they can definitely make some noise in the NEWMAC tournament.

Just missed: Worcester State, Wentworth, WNEC
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: NEDIII on April 16, 2009, 09:14:18 am
First off, let me start by saying that you're analysis' of New England are great. You provide everyone with a lot of information on a variety of teams and conferences. However, I have to disagree with you on one thing and that is the review of Curry. I respect the team and what they have done this year, they're offensive numbers are nothing short of outstanding. But to say that they are a legit contender for the CWS is dillusional (sorry).  The CCC is probably the weakest conference in NE, and to the best of my knowledge, in the nation as well. While they have posted 24 wins (a feat in itself), 10 of those wins have come across competition such as New England College, Nichols, Anna Maria and Gordon. I can't fault them for playing the teams they have to but it should be taken into consideration. Another point, Curry has made how many trips to Harwich in the past 6 years? (2 maybe, off the top of my head). Teams like Wheaton, EConn, USM, Trinity are thier year after year and have the experience and depth to play the toughest competition day after day. Curry will make the Regionals in 09' and it wouldn't suprise me if they went two and screw down at EConn.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: NEDIII on April 16, 2009, 09:23:40 am
Also, some information I left out. Curry made it's first (ever)appearence to a Regional in 2007. Another interesting fact is that Curry pitched its ace against Wheaton College while WC pitched its 4/5 guy in the rotation (shutting the # 1 ranked offense down through 8 inn). Another indication of a weak schedule...anyway, I just found that to be interesting...
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 16, 2009, 09:51:16 am
I think that any team that makes it to the regionals is a legitamate contender for the CWS.  Yes Curry plays in what might be a weaker conference but the CCC is not the weakest conference in New England let alone the nation.  What about the NAC with powerhouses of Castleton, Johnston State, U-maine Farmington.  THe NAC is much weaker than the CCC. Yes NEC is not a powerhouse but i will tell you that WNEC, Curry, and Roger Williams are solid programs. I must disagree with NEDIII post. 

I think that Curry will have a chance to prove itself in fabolous Willimantic this year.  THey might go two and out but that is true for any team when you get to that level, other than Trinity last year the regionals are pretty competitive from the top team to the 8th team.  Dont believe me?  KSC two years ago played in the regonals final as the 5 seed in the Cape, and USM played in the regional final last year as i think the 5 seed, i could be wrong on thier seed but it was not in the top 3 of the regional.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 16, 2009, 09:52:11 am
The NECC is pretty weak as well
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: NEDIII on April 16, 2009, 10:08:19 am
Making the Regional Finals and going to the show is completely different. While I agree with you that everyone is a contendor, when was the last time an 8 seed went to CWS?? C'mon.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on April 16, 2009, 10:15:40 am
Making the Regional Finals and going to the show is completely different. While I agree with you that everyone is a contendor, when was the last time an 8 seed went to CWS?? C'mon.

I think the point KSCfan is making though is that Curry isn't an 8 seed. If the regionals were to be seeded today, Curry would be a 4 seed at worst, in my opinion. If they continue winning and roll through the CCC as I expect they should, they could realistically finish at 38-3. With a record like that, they could even sneak in to the top 3 seeds.

It's a testament to how strong this region really is. It's been said before but deserves mention once more; whoever gets shipped to New York is one lucky squad.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 16, 2009, 10:40:02 am
That may be true about the 8 seed going to the CWS but i dont think that Curry is an 8 seed.  I think that GNAC hit it on the head when he said that Curry is the 4 seed.  If i were to seed today i would have USM at 1 Trinity at 2 and Wheaton at 3 then Curry at 4.

Curry did beat Wheaton the other day and you can say they beat Wheaton's 4 but a win is a win is a win, espically over a team as quality as Wheaton.  I understand your point NEDIII but i think that you might be selling Curry a little short on the quality of team that they are. 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: rbgosfan on April 16, 2009, 10:44:30 am
I do not think we should hand Curry the TCCC championship just yet. They are 15-1 in conference but have not played Roger Williams or Wentworth yet. They split with WNEC losing game 1 13-0 (against WNEC's number 5 starter) and then won the second game in extra innings after tying it in the 7th. WNEC has had some bad losses in conference but is getting better and better pitching from the back end of the rotation, which is critical in post season play. Evan Michaud is their #3 and he won national pitcher of the week honors last week. Roger Williams also has a strong team and will be tough come playoff time.

While I do agree that top to bottom the TCCC is not real strong, top 3 or 4 teams can compete with anybody in the region. WNEC has been in Harwich the last 3 years and 4 out of 5 (the first three coming out of the GNAC and last year from the TCCC).
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on April 16, 2009, 12:00:51 pm
I have to agree with KSCfan, TCCC is nowhere near the worst conference in New England. The NAC and NECC are horrid. The competition at the top of most conferences is good. You get beyond the top 3 in most conferences and you would think you were watching fair to poor high school teams.

NESCAC, Trinity running off and hiding(lots of talk on their board how it's a down year)
NEWMAC, Wheaton, 3 game lead over WPI,4 over MIT
GNAC, Suffolk, St. Joe's, J&W are competitive,
TCCC, Curry, WNEC, Wentworth, Roger Williams(that's 4 competive teams)
NECC, Becker,So. Vermont, Elms(Becker & Elms barely competed in the NAC)
NAC, Castleton, Husson(that's it)
MASCAC, Worcester, Bridgewater, MCLA
LEC, probably the deepest conference in New England.

The top of the region can clearly compete with anyone. As it has been said often the team that gets shipped out for the regional may be the luckiest team in the region.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 16, 2009, 02:01:58 pm
I'm a few days late, but here are my weekly rankings. Bit of a shake-up this week.

1. Southern Maine (22-3) - The Huskies continue to roll, as they went 8-0 since my last ranking, where they were also 1st. I still contend they have the most powerful offense in the region (although Curry is making a strong case for themselves, more on that later), and they just continue to win ballgames. The 5.37 team ERA is a bit scary, but when you can hit like they can, it's pretty much a non-factor.

2. Trinity (18-3) - Lost amid all the strong showings and high rankings for New England teams thus far has been Trinity's steady play. While teams like Wheaton and Eastern Connecticut falter a bit, the Bantams just continue to win. They've only played 3 games since the last ranking, but they're sitting at 9-0 in the NESCAC, and should win that conference handily.

3. Curry (24-3) - It's official: the Colonels are for real. 7-0 since the last rankings, the Colonels are tied for 1st in the region in wins with 24, and posted a convincing 5-0 victory over Wheaton yesterday to prove their status as a contender. Statistically, they have the nation's #1 offense, as they're hitting an astounding .387 as a club with 28 home runs. The pitching has also been solid, and shutting out a high-powered Wheaton offense as they did yesterday is certainly something to hang their hat on. Expect the Colonels to make a legitimate run at the CWS this year.

4. Wheaton (24-4) - The Lyons went 4-1 on the week, but that one loss came to Curry, which is why the two teams are ranked where they are. Still, make no mistake about it; Wheaton is a club to be reckoned with. They hit like crazy, have dominated the NEWMAC (9-0), and haven't even pitched to their capabilities yet. If Louie Bernardini can take his game to the levels it was at in 2007, look out.

5. Suffolk (22-5) - The Rams were rolling as of the last ranking, winners of 8 straight games before yesterday, when they suffered a setback to an underrated UMass-Boston club 13-8. They rebounded nicely today however, beating WNEC 6-3 to move their record to 22-5. Tied for 1st in the conference at 9-1 with St. Joe's, Suffolk has a number of impressive victories on their resume, including wins over #3 Wheaton and #19 Keystone. Statistically, they can pitch with anyone in the country (3.05 team ERA), and have swung it well, too (.326 BA). Expect this weekend's double header with St. Joe's to be a barnburner, as Suffolk takes the #1 seed with a split or better, but falls to #3 and a play-in game if they're swept.

6. Eastern CT (21-6) - I'm sure this is not a popular pick among many here, but I think it's justified. Simply put, the Warriors are playing bad baseball. They're 3-4 since the last ranking, with less-than-stellar losses to Western CT and Bridgewater State. Their statistical splits are impressive (.331, 3.38 ERA), but until they right the ship, I don't see how they can be placed ahead of the 5 listed above.

7. St. Joe's (ME) (21-9) - The Monks went 7-2 since the last ranking, and look to be a legitimate contender along with Suffolk in the GNAC. Their offense is deadly (.355 BA), and they also have one of the best pitchers in the region in Pat Moran, a true ace and All-American candidate (5-0, 2.40 ERA, 45 IP, 53 K, 3 BB). As stated earlier, this Sunday's affair up in Standish with Suffolk should be quite the double header, as St. Joe's needs a split or better to avoid the #3 seed.

8. WPI (19-9) - The 8 seed was a toss-up, but with a 4-0 run, it goes to the smart gentlemen from Worcester. WPI has a quality record in a tough conference, and they've also posted convincing wins over St. Joe's, Worcester State, and Trinity. Conor Fahey is another All-American candidate (4-1, 1.64 ERA, 55 IP, 69 K), and they can definitely make some noise in the NEWMAC tournament.

Just missed: Worcester State, Wentworth, WNEC

GNAC, another insightful post +1K
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 16, 2009, 08:40:56 pm
Rhode Island college beats a very good Curry team that i have been blogging about all day.  Maybe NEDIII was right!
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: NEDIII on April 17, 2009, 10:23:02 am
I won't take credit but I was just stating some opinions from outside the box about Curry. Bottom line is, baseball is baseball and any team can beat (upset) any team on any given day.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: mdosfan on April 18, 2009, 10:30:26 pm
Trinity is 66-4 in their last 70 games.  Yikes.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 20, 2009, 01:40:39 pm
I will never be as comprehesive as the legendary TheGNAC but I would like to offer my New England Top 8. I have now had the opportunity to see many of the top teams and feel as if I have a better take on the squads.

1- Trinity - Granted I have not seen them live, but they are the reigning champs and until they show they are beatable they should be the favorite to return to Appleton.

2- USM - Big Sticks. Just enough pitching and Impact players in D'Alfonso and  Burleson. Do not, I repeat do not under estimate USM's pitching staff. If you can run out guys like Therrian and Henry and fill in with Stacy and Eaton ....look out in Gorham.

3-EastConn - Always solid, always in the mix, impact player in Gilblair who looks to me to be in prime shape for a big postseason. My choice to play Texas-Tyler in the Championship game (see post back in February), cban't waiver on that but they must become more consistent to advance from the NE.

4-WPI- What can you say sweep Wheaton and you move up on my board. Also quality win over EConn, Trinity, UMD, hey maybe these guys should be #2 ???

5-Wheaton - Is what it is. Poldelski has them playing well and to me they are the dark horse to go to Appleton.



6 -St. Joe's- Will the hardest working man in D-III had me sold that they were legit, then they ran into the USM BUZZ-Saw. Still deserve a 6 ranking.

7- Suffolk- Solid club with some decent wins. Recent losses to St. Joe's makes one wonder though.

8- WNEC & Curry - Too close to call they should decide this next week in TCCC playoffs.


Barely missing:  Worcester State, Amherst,  Williams,  Roger Williams

Word :P
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on April 20, 2009, 07:51:51 pm
I will never be as comprehesive as the legendary TheGNAC but I would like to offer my New England Top 8. I have now had the opportunity to see many of the top teams and feel as if I have a better take on the squads.

1- Trinity - Granted I have not seen them live, but they are the reigning champs and until they show they are beatable they should be the favorite to return to Appleton.

2- USM - Big Sticks. Just enough pitching and Impact players in D'Alfonso and  Burleson. Do not, I repeat do not under estimate USM's pitching staff. If you can run out guys like Therrian and Henry and fill in with Stacy and Eaton ....look out in Gorham.

3-EastConn - Always solid, always in the mix, impact player in Gilblair who looks to me to be in prime shape for a big postseason. My choice to play Texas-Tyler in the Championship game (see post back in February), cban't waiver on that but they must become more consistent to advance from the NE.

4-WPI- What can you say sweep Wheaton and you move up on my board. Also quality win over EConn, Trinity, UMD, hey maybe these guys should be #2 ???

5-Wheaton - Is what it is. Poldelski has them playing well and to me they are the dark horse to go to Appleton.



6 -St. Joe's- Will the hardest working man in D-III had me sold that they were legit, then they ran into the USM BUZZ-Saw. Still deserve a 6 ranking.

7- Suffolk- Solid club with some decent wins. Recent losses to St. Joe's makes one wonder though.

8- WNEC & Curry - Too close to call they should decide this next week in TCCC playoffs.


Barely missing:  Worcester State, Amherst,  Williams,  Roger Williams

Word :P

Hard to disagree with those picks but I will a little.  Since you take that much stock in USM pitching I'll take them as #1 cause I've seen them hit.

2- ECSU....no need to explain.  Biggest drawback is they have lost to many games to at best average and in some cases less than average pitchers.  The offense is up and down up and down.  Pitching has been steady except for a couple spots.  I know Word must not be sold on Musson with what you saw on Saturday but he is much better than that.  CONSISTENT is a good WORD for this team to adopt. 

I don't think we played WPI, maybe that may change your 4-5 picks.   LOL

3- Trinity- Now, being the Jonah that I am Trinity will cruise to an easy win on Tuesday.  They can beat anyone at any time I'm sure but I also will stick to my earlier thoughts they don't have the staff to win a tournament especially if the hit the losers bracket.

I'll go with the rest as is.  Sorry Alum, ecfaninri and TEE fans.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 20, 2009, 08:16:30 pm
Whale of a prediction there Mr. G.  ;D

Musson was well, not involved in the decision. Would have to see more before I made a comment. I do know that I wish I could be at the F,S,HG vs TEE game on Tuesday.

Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on April 20, 2009, 10:20:59 pm
Good predictions. What's everybodies best guess on who loses out on going to Willimantic and who ends up getting shipped out of region?  No one includes a NAC or a MASCAC team in their lists. 7 automatic qualifiers: LEC, NESCAC, NEWMAC, GNAC, TCCC, MASCAC, NAC with 8 going to regional. Which conference doubles up at Eastern? LEC, NEWMAC, GNAC, TCCC? Who gets a trip to NY?  I'm sure with as much talent at the top that someone from NE is shipped to NY as they have recently.

If USM sweeps regular season and LEC Tourney, does LEC get a second team given the inconsistency of ECSU? I would guess that Trinity is the only pick from NESCAC(short of a real shocker in their tourney.)  I would think NEWMAC should probably get 2 unlees Wheaton collapses completely.  GNAC has 2 strong choices but I don't see both going to the regionals. How about TCCC WNEC probably has to win the tourney. Lots of good choices at top of the region it'll be an interesting couple weeks.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: rbgosfan on April 21, 2009, 07:05:51 am
I think USM and ECSU are both in for sure. WNEC has too many in region losses for an at large but if they beat Curry in TCCC tournament, I could see Curry getting an at large.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 21, 2009, 09:29:41 am
I think many are over-looking WPI.

I'll say again, they beat Trinity, they just swept Wheaton ::). No love in the national poll, all look to records and Curry has an amazing record and shut-out Wheaton. But WPI has beat some of the best in New England.

Sullen Maine rises to the top of the food-chain as TEE slips to 8. Can anyone touch the Muskies this year???

Through games of April 19, 2009
# School (1st votes) Rec. Pts Prev.
1 Southern Maine (10) 28-3 584 5
2 Salisbury (4) 33-5 560 2
3 Pomona-Pitzer (7) 31-3 557 8
4 St. Scholastica (2) 24-2 528 6
5 Millsaps (1) 32-6 525 1
6 Trinity (Conn.) 21-3 500 7
7 Texas-Tyler 32-7 470 4
8 Eastern Connecticut (1) 24-6 421 10
9 Kean 28-7 418 12
10 Heidelberg 26-6 412 9
11 Wooster 28-7 396 11
12 Wheaton (Mass.) 26-7 332 3
13 Cal Lutheran 27-7 312 15
14 Keystone 29-4 263 19
15 St. Thomas 21-6 259 13
16 Curry 28-4 245 20
17 Carthage 20-5 243 22
18 Buena Vista 23-6 155 14
19 George Fox 29-8 108 21
20 Linfield 27-9 105 16
21 Shenandoah 31-8 104 17
22 Ithaca 22-6 87 --
23 Pacific Lutheran 27-8 70 --
24 Wilkes 25-6 69 --
25 UW-Whitewater 18-9


Word 8)
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on April 21, 2009, 10:58:32 am
Certainly a case can be made for WPI, but I'm not sure they get an at-large bid if they don't win the NEWMAC. I'm fairly certain Curry will.

Here's how I see the regionals shaking out right now.

NEWMAC: I think Wheaton is the clear-cut favorite here, even if WPI did sweep them. The Lyons are just the better, more experienced club, and I'm not going to argue with history. Wheaton gets the automatic bid here.

LEC: #1 Southern Maine has this locked up, I think. Regardless, Eastern Connecticut's reputation should get them a bid by itself, but I think they're good enough to receive one anyway. Expect USM to receive the automatic bid, with Eastern earning the at-large bid.

CCC: I'm going to disagree with Word's sentiments here and say that Curry has this locked up. I've seen Curry and WNEC play this year, and I have to say Curry is the better team. They have the best offense in the country, and they also have a couple studs at the top of their rotation. Curry wins the automatic bid from the CCC.

GNAC: This is where I'm wavering. Earlier, I would have said Suffolk was the favorite in this conference, and even if they didn't win, they'd still have an at-large bid wrapped up. After their last week, though (3-3), I'm not so sure. They dropped a game to UMass-Boston on Tuesday, and then dropped two to St. Joe's on Sunday. Still, I think their overall resume might put them into contention for an at-large (wins over Wheaton at #2, Keystone, WNEC). Regardless though, I'm sticking with the Rams to win the GNAC's automatic bid.

NESCAC: Pretty much the surest bet there is... Trinity takes the NESCAC, no at-large's awarded.

NAC: Don't know too much about the NAC this year, but with an 11-1 conference mark, I'd say Castleton State has this in the bag. No at-large's awarded.

MASCAC: Worcester State seems to be the class of the MASCAC this year, with a 12-0 mark in conference. At 23-10, their overall record puts them near the middle of the pack for at-large contenders, but they could earn one if they lose the conference tourney. Still, I expect Worcester State to win the conference. No at-large's awarded.

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Now, that's all just conjecture on my part. Assuming everything shakes out as written above, and the region receives two at-large bids (as in 2008), I see the at-large bids being awarded to:

1. Eastern Connecticut
2. WPI
----------
3. WNEC

Now, let's say St. Joe's wins the GNAC, as they are the #1 seed in the tournament and will be hosting. If that happens, I could see this:

1. Eastern Connecticut
2. Suffolk
----------
3. WPI
4. WNEC

Now, let's say WNEC upsets Curry.

1. Curry
2. Eastern Connecticut
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3. Suffolk
4. WPI
5. WNEC


Let's assume WPI upsets Wheaton, and the rest go as-is.

1. Wheaton
2. Eastern Connecticut
----------
3. Suffolk
4. WNEC

So as you can see, there are a number of possibilities here. This is just one person's opinion, and I'd love to here your thoughts. Also keep in mind, the selection process is mostly statistical, as the committee factors in heavily winning percentage, opponent's winning percentage, and opponent's opponent's winning percentage.

Also, for those with more knowledge than I concerning the selection process, is there any chance New England is awarded 3 at-large bids this year, considering how strong the region has been (5 clubs in the top 25)? I'd be interested to hear those thoughts, too.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 21, 2009, 02:54:26 pm
GNAC,

Your amazing!! +1K AGAIN!!
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on April 21, 2009, 03:04:44 pm
TheGNAC
Pretty good assessment concerning automatics and at- large bids. Remember last year Keene St. and USM went to Harwich and ECSU went to the Auburn regional. That's only 2 at-large bids, however you would have to see if the Auburn Regional has 1 or 2 automatic bids. If they do and if USM remains @#1 and Eastern stays in the top ten and is the host site it would be really hard to send them out. Then is would be between the loser of Trinity/WPI or Curry/WNEC.  If WPI and or WNEC wins their tournment and Trinity and Curry are still ranked in the top 15/16 - there is a strong case for 3 at-large bids.

At the NY region last year  - You has Ithaca ( Pool B) Cortland, Rensellear, Farmingdale, and 4 other teams from outside the Region - Eastern Ct- NE, Montclair St. -Mid Atlantic, Grove City and Ohio Wesleyan from the Mid East.
Grove City made it last year with a 18-16 record winning the President's Athletic Conference.Keep in mind that the Mid Atlantic Region has 8 teams, the NE region has 8 teams and the Mid East region only has 6 teams.

Realistically speaking, With USM, Trinity, Wheaton, Eastern, Curry all in the top 20 in the country, the committee is going to have a hard time not finding a place for any of these teams - even if they have to travel. That's if they don't win their conference. That means if WNEC (23-11), WPI(21-9)win their conference - Wheaton and Curry will be looking for a slot at- large.   With two weeks left - a lot can happen. But I do think 3 at large teams going elsewhere from NE is a possibility.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on April 21, 2009, 03:16:00 pm
TheGNAC
Pretty good assessment concerning automatics and at- large bids. Remember last year Keene St. and USM went to Harwich and ECSU went to the Auburn regional. That's only 2 at-large bids, however you would have to see if the Auburn Regional has 1 or 2 automatic bids. If they do and if USM remains @#1 and Eastern stays in the top ten and is the host site it would be really hard to send them out. Then is would be between the loser of Trinity/WPI or Curry/WNEC.  If WPI and or WNEC wins their tournment and Trinity and Curry are still ranked in the top 15/16 - there is a strong case for 3 at-large bids.

At the NY region last year  - You has Ithaca ( Pool B) Cortland, Rensellear, Farmingdale, and 4 other teams from outside the Region - Eastern Ct- NE, Montclair St. -Mid Atlantic, Grove City and Ohio Wesleyan from the Mid East.
Grove City made it last year with a 18-16 record winning the President's Athletic Conference.Keep in mind that the Mid Atlantic Region has 8 teams, the NE region has 8 teams and the Mid East region only has 6 teams.

Realistically speaking, With USM, Trinity, Wheaton, Eastern, Curry all in the top 20 in the country, the committee is going to have a hard time not finding a place for any of these teams - even if they have to travel. That's if they don't win their conference. That means if WNEC (23-11), WPI(21-9)win their conference - Wheaton and Curry will be looking for a slot at- large.   With two weeks left - a lot can happen. But I do think 3 at large teams going elsewhere from NE is a possibility.


If you're right, and New England receives 3 at-large bids, the likelihood of two New England teams making the World Series markedly increases. I'm fairly sure that any of the top 8 in New England could make a serious run at winning the New York regional.

It should be a very interesting 3 weeks.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: RSSmith on April 21, 2009, 04:31:25 pm
TheGNAC
Pretty good assessment concerning automatics and at- large bids. Remember last year Keene St. and USM went to Harwich and ECSU went to the Auburn regional. That's only 2 at-large bids, however you would have to see if the Auburn Regional has 1 or 2 automatic bids. If they do and if USM remains @#1 and Eastern stays in the top ten and is the host site it would be really hard to send them out. Then is would be between the loser of Trinity/WPI or Curry/WNEC.  If WPI and or WNEC wins their tournment and Trinity and Curry are still ranked in the top 15/16 - there is a strong case for 3 at-large bids.

At the NY region last year  - You has Ithaca ( Pool B) Cortland, Rensellear, Farmingdale, and 4 other teams from outside the Region - Eastern Ct- NE, Montclair St. -Mid Atlantic, Grove City and Ohio Wesleyan from the Mid East.


Grove City made it last year with a 18-16 record winning the President's Athletic Conference.Keep in mind that the Mid Atlantic Region has 8 teams, the NE region has 8 teams and the Mid East region only has 6 teams.

Realistically speaking, With USM, Trinity, Wheaton, Eastern, Curry all in the top 20 in the country, the committee is going to have a hard time not finding a place for any of these teams - even if they have to travel. That's if they don't win their conference. That means if WNEC (23-11), WPI(21-9)win their conference - Wheaton and Curry will be looking for a slot at- large.   With two weeks left - a lot can happen. But I do think 3 at large teams going elsewhere from NE is a possibility.


Realistically, don't you think 3 NE teams being shipped elsewhere is incredibly remote?????
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on April 21, 2009, 05:06:01 pm
TheGNAC
Pretty good assessment concerning automatics and at- large bids. Remember last year Keene St. and USM went to Harwich and ECSU went to the Auburn regional. That's only 2 at-large bids, however you would have to see if the Auburn Regional has 1 or 2 automatic bids. If they do and if USM remains @#1 and Eastern stays in the top ten and is the host site it would be really hard to send them out. Then is would be between the loser of Trinity/WPI or Curry/WNEC.  If WPI and or WNEC wins their tournment and Trinity and Curry are still ranked in the top 15/16 - there is a strong case for 3 at-large bids.

At the NY region last year  - You has Ithaca ( Pool B) Cortland, Rensellear, Farmingdale, and 4 other teams from outside the Region - Eastern Ct- NE, Montclair St. -Mid Atlantic, Grove City and Ohio Wesleyan from the Mid East.


Grove City made it last year with a 18-16 record winning the President's Athletic Conference.Keep in mind that the Mid Atlantic Region has 8 teams, the NE region has 8 teams and the Mid East region only has 6 teams.

Realistically speaking, With USM, Trinity, Wheaton, Eastern, Curry all in the top 20 in the country, the committee is going to have a hard time not finding a place for any of these teams - even if they have to travel. That's if they don't win their conference. That means if WNEC (23-11), WPI(21-9)win their conference - Wheaton and Curry will be looking for a slot at- large.   With two weeks left - a lot can happen. But I do think 3 at large teams going elsewhere from NE is a possibility.


Realistically, don't you think 3 NE teams being shipped elsewhere is incredibly remote?????

I apologize. What I meant to say is that I could see 3 New England teams receiving at-large bids, with 2 going to New England and 1 to New York.

Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on April 21, 2009, 07:00:05 pm
TheGNAC,
   Another great analysis. There certainly is a good case for 3 at large bids. Plenty of strong deserving teams.  Excellent assessment of at large possibilities. Always enjoy your insight.

  One interesting scenario to throw out and muddy the water a little more: what if someone else was to win the LEC tourney? I know it's very remote but what do you think happens if USM or ECSU were to lose the tourney? USM definitely still goes but does ECSU and which one goes to NY? I can't imagine they leave 3 LEC teams in 1 region.

   Just some additional thoughts and possibilities to fill the time while waiting for everything to play out.

   It'll be an interesting couple of weeks.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on April 21, 2009, 09:27:26 pm
TheGNAC,
   Another great analysis. There certainly is a good case for 3 at large bids. Plenty of strong deserving teams.  Excellent assessment of at large possibilities. Always enjoy your insight.

  One interesting scenario to throw out and muddy the water a little more: what if someone else was to win the LEC tourney? I know it's very remote but what do you think happens if USM or ECSU were to lose the tourney? USM definitely still goes but does ECSU and which one goes to NY? I can't imagine they leave 3 LEC teams in 1 region.

   Just some additional thoughts and possibilities to fill the time while waiting for everything to play out.

   It'll be an interesting couple of weeks.

Good thoughts Stump.  This is the biggest week of the year for ECSU by far.  They can't slip like they did a couple weeks ago and if they do they will have to win the LEC tournament to get in. So many good teams in NE and if we get a upset or two with the autos it could get ugly. I believe the last time ECSU hosted the regional they did not get to play in it.     
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: mainefan on April 22, 2009, 06:24:23 am
I understand that the regionals will be in Eastern but what are the dates for the tournament?
Also where are the nationals and what are the dates for it?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on April 22, 2009, 08:01:38 am
Regionals: May 13-17 ECSU
Nationals: May 22-26 Grand Chute, Wi.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 22, 2009, 04:08:49 pm
Info on the NCAA New England Regional Tournament @ ECSU Baseball Complex, Mansfield CT.  See the Internet video/other arrangements in bold.

Web site: http://www.littleeast.com/sports/bsb/newenglandregional/index

April 20, 2009

Eastern Connecticut, Little East Co-Host 2009 NCAA Division III Baseball New England Regional
NORTH DARTMOUTH, Mass. - The NCAA Division III Baseball Committee has chosen Eastern Connecticut State University and the Little East Conference to co-host the New England Region of the 2009 NCAA Division III Baseball Tournament. The Eastern Baseball Stadium in Mansfield, Conn. is just one of eight pre-determined sites for the national tournament field.

 "The conference office is looking forward to assisting Eastern Connecticut in hosting the NCAA Division III Baseball New England Region, "Commissioner Jonathan C. Harper said. "It is our expectation that this regional will be a first-class event for student-athletes, coaches, parents and fans that will travel to Mansfield."

The Warriors will serve as the host institution for the 16th time in the 34-year history of the championship. The Eastern Baseball Stadium opened in April 1, 1998, and has hosted the New England Regional three prior times. The stadium is located just over the Willimantic city line, one-half mile north of the main campus.

The NCAA Division III Baseball Selection Committee is scheduled to announce the pairings for each of the eight regional fields the morning of Monday, May 11. The regional tournament will begin on Wednesday, May 13 and the champion will be crowned on Sunday, May 17. The championship team from the New England Region will advance to the 2009 NCAA Division III Championship Round in Appleton, Wisconsin.

If you are unable to make the trip to Mansfield, Conn., you can follow all the action live on the Little East Conference Web site. The tournament championship page will provide full coverage of the New England Region with a link for real-time statistics and video broadcast for each of the games. The Eastern Connecticut sports information staff will be running live in-game statistics, while Bridgewater Television (BTV9) will be producing each broadcast.   

From 1976 through 1990, the national tournament was comprised of six-regional fields with the champion of each region advancing the NCAA Division III Championship Round. The Northeast and New York Regional Tournaments were established in 1991, expanding the field to the current-day eight-regional format. The New England tournament has been hosted by just three institutions besides Eastern Connecticut: The University of Southern Maine at both its on-campus facility in Gorham and at Hadlock Field in Portland - the home of the Double A Eastern League franchise, the Eastern Collegiate Athletic Conference (ECAC) at Whitehouse Field in Harwich, Mass., and Wesleyan University at Palmer Field in Middletown, Conn. Since 1998, the regional tournament has been staged in either Mansfield or Harwich.

Other sites for the 2009 NCAA Division III Regional are as follows: Augustana College (Ill.) (Central Region), Adrian College (Mideast Region), University of Wisconsin-Oshkosch (Midwest Region), State University of College at Old Westbury and the Skyline Conference (New York Region), Salisbury University (South Region), and Linfield College (West Region). The Mid-Atlantic Region has yet to be assigned.



Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: soxfan42585 on April 22, 2009, 09:27:41 pm
ive been dormant on here this season, but the analysis is awesome.  I'm a mainah- so I'm pulling for maine teams... the GNAC, do you see SJC getting an atlarge bid if they take suffolk to double elim and win out against keene, usm and bates?  USM is in.  How did Bowdoin fare this year?  Does the NAC have an auto bid?  if so, whats that conference look like?  Havent heard much from there, but probably for good reason.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 23, 2009, 08:14:29 am
ive been dormant on here this season, but the analysis is awesome.  I'm a mainah- so I'm pulling for maine teams... the GNAC, do you see SJC getting an atlarge bid if they take suffolk to double elim and win out against keene, usm and bates?  USM is in.  How did Bowdoin fare this year?  Does the NAC have an auto bid?  if so, whats that conference look like?  Havent heard much from there, but probably for good reason.

soxfan,

Good to have you back. 

Here are Conferences with winners who auto qualify:  NAC Conference is included

Allegheny Mountain Collegiate Conference
American Southwest Conference
Centennial Conference
College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
Commonwealth Coast Conference
Great Northeast Athletic Conference
Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Liberty League
Little East Conference
MAC Commonwealth Conference
MAC Freedom Conference
Massachusetts State College Athletic Conference
Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
Midwest Conference
Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
New England Small College Athletic Conference
New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference
New Jersey Athletic Conference
North Atlantic Conference
North Coast Athletic Conference
North Eastern Athletic Conference
Northwest Conference
Ohio Athletic Conference
Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Pennsylvania Athletic Conference
Presidents' Athletic Conference
Skyline Conference
Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference;
Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
State University of New York Athletic Conference
USA South Athletic Conference
Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on April 23, 2009, 08:44:35 am
This is the last year NAC has an AQ. In 2010, they are partnering with NEAC and the AQ in baseball will be through the NEAC. The two leagues will play separate division schedules and then the divisions will meet for the qualifier tourney.  I believe NECC has another year before they cn qualify for an automatic qualifier so next year there will only be 7 AQ's in NE
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 23, 2009, 05:05:26 pm
With less AQ for the tournament will that mean more pool C at large bids for NE?  Or other teams getting shipped in? 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 23, 2009, 08:43:43 pm
I will never be as comprehesive as the legendary TheGNAC but I would like to offer my New England Top 8. I have now had the opportunity to see many of the top teams and feel as if I have a better take on the squads.

1- Trinity - Granted I have not seen them live, but they are the reigning champs and until they show they are beatable they should be the favorite to return to Appleton.

2- USM - Big Sticks. Just enough pitching and Impact players in D'Alfonso and  Burleson. Do not, I repeat do not under estimate USM's pitching staff. If you can run out guys like Therrian and Henry and fill in with Stacy and Eaton ....look out in Gorham.

3-EastConn - Always solid, always in the mix, impact player in Gilblair who looks to me to be in prime shape for a big postseason. My choice to play Texas-Tyler in the Championship game (see post back in February), cban't waiver on that but they must become more consistent to advance from the NE.

4-WPI- What can you say sweep Wheaton and you move up on my board. Also quality win over EConn, Trinity, UMD, hey maybe these guys should be #2 ???

5-Wheaton - Is what it is. Poldelski has them playing well and to me they are the dark horse to go to Appleton.



6 -St. Joe's- Will the hardest working man in D-III had me sold that they were legit, then they ran into the USM BUZZ-Saw. Still deserve a 6 ranking.

7- Suffolk- Solid club with some decent wins. Recent losses to St. Joe's makes one wonder though.

8- WNEC & Curry - Too close to call they should decide this next week in TCCC playoffs.


Barely missing:  Worcester State, Amherst,  Williams,  Roger Williams

Word :P

First Regional Poll hit today--> Can't argue with the results except to say, WPI swept Wheaton and took the regular season title in the WETHCTI (What Ever The Hell Conference They're In) NEWMAC so I still think they should rank above the Wheaties.

New England Region
1. Southern Maine 28-3 23-2
2. Trinity (Conn.) 21-3 21-1
3. Wheaton (Mass.) 25-7 22-6
4. Eastern Connecticut 22-6 19-6
5. WPI 21-9 20-6
6. Curry 28-4 24-3
7. Suffolk 24-7 21-6
8. Worcester State 23-10 23-7
9. Western New England 23-12 20-11
10. St. Joseph’s (Maine) 25-10 22-6

Word :D
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 25, 2009, 09:30:55 pm
Babson sweeps Wheaties out of the WETHCTPI ::) :o :o

So a surprise entrant (Baboons or Brains) from that Conference will require either Wheaties or WPI to get there (NCAAs) via-at-large.

ECAC could include some pretty strong teams this year:

WPI and/or Wheaton
Curry or WNEC
KSC and/or EastConn

Word 8)


Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on April 26, 2009, 08:29:53 am
Babson sweeps Wheaties out of the WETHCTPI ::) :o :o

So a surprise entrant (Baboons or Brains) from that Conference will require either Wheaties or WPI to get there (NCAAs) via-at-large.

ECAC could include some pretty strong teams this year:

WPI and/or Wheaton
Curry or WNEC
KSC and/or EastConn

Word 8)




That certainly complicates the selection process.


LEC: USM (unless there's a repeat of NEWMAC tourney)
NESCAC: Trinity (same disclaimer as LEC)
TCCC: Curry (same disclaimer)
MASCAC: Worcester State
NEWMAC: Babson/MIT(finals today)
GNAC: St. Joe's/Suffolk(finals today)
NAC: Castleton

Wild Cards: ECSU, WNEC, Wheaton, WPI, ST. Joe's/Suffok

ECAC could end up being almost as strong a field as NCAA. (ECSU/KSC?, WNEC, St. Joe's/Suffolk, Wheaton/WPI) You could make a pretty good regional field out of just those teams and it looks like at least 4 of those are probably looking at ECAC bids after it all sorts out.   Let's make a second regional field and take over the NY regional ;) ;)

Now just imagine the possibilites if there is another darkhorse winner in LEC, NESCAC and/or TCCC.(long shot, true, but who thought neither Wheaton or WPI would make finals of NEWMAC) :o


Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on April 26, 2009, 09:48:06 am
Stump....
You're right - double WETHCTPI..... It is going to be a long wait until May 10th for the at-large bids to be released for Wheaton and WPI  ... Former #1 Millsaps in the South Region has that same wait. But here in New England if another surprise happens in the LEC ( I only think Keene St has the depth for that possibility) or in the TCCC with WNEC and Curry battling. At - Large bids are going to be tough to be had.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: 363dp on April 26, 2009, 01:22:39 pm
Babson punches it's ticket to the Regionals with a 6-3 win over MIT. Go Beavers.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 26, 2009, 01:54:01 pm
Babson punches it's ticket to the Regionals with a 6-3 win over MIT. Go Beavers.

Congrats to the Babson Beavers and their coaches Wally and Theodore Cleaver for gnawing their way through the WETHCTPI.

Word ;D
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: dchevy5 on April 26, 2009, 04:55:50 pm
I would not be shocked (deliriously happy, yes, but not shocked) if Keene State made a strong bid in the LEC tournament.  Things are upside down enough with Babson winning the NEWMAC,  but wouldn't KSC winning the LEC be, well, great?  This has been the craziest year I can remember in the LEC, and nothing is a given.
It should be fun!!!
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on April 26, 2009, 05:16:01 pm
Here is kind of a curveball of a question but I ask anyway.

I'd be interested in knowing how many of the schools/conferences have tourneys that conflict with academic Finals.

Word, what the hell is wrong with you bringing up schroool on an af-e-lete board. ::)

The reason for the question comes from exposure to the TCCC where several schools have strict rules which do not allow players to miss class for games, i.e. Colby Sawyer.

I'd be interested in feedback.

Word 8)
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: JustAFan on April 26, 2009, 06:09:16 pm
St Joe's scores 2 in the top of the 9th to hand Suffolk its first tournament loss 6-5 earlier this afternoon in the finals of the GNAC tournament and force an "if" game that's currently underway.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: RSSmith on April 26, 2009, 07:02:25 pm
Here is kind of a curveball of a question but I ask anyway.

I'd be interested in knowing how many of the schools/conferences have tourneys that conflict with academic Finals.

Word, what the hell is wrong with you bringing up schroool on an af-e-lete board. ::)

The reason for the question comes from exposure to the TCCC where several schools have strict rules which do not allow players to miss class for games, i.e. Colby Sawyer.

I'd be interested in feedback.

Word 8)

The Centennial Conference will not permit games to be played during exams.  If the conference tournament is not completed by the Monday before exams start on Tuesday, the tournament is halted and the automatic bid is awarded by an alternative method (www.centennial.org).  In order to play any game during the exam period, a school has to get a waiver from the conference.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: JustAFan on April 26, 2009, 07:32:31 pm
Suffolk wins the "if" game and the GNAC title 15-6 over St. Joseph's.  Complete game win by Torres from Suffolk.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on April 26, 2009, 08:48:00 pm
Congrats to Suffolk. well pitched game by Torres.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on April 26, 2009, 08:58:09 pm
Great time of the  year guys as conference tournaments are out and about.  Already some conference upsets with Babson winning (congrats) and now Suffolk which is not really an upset punching thier ticket.  My question is how many pool C bids will New England get?  2 or 3 with the third team shipped out to New York. Now what if we see upsets in the LEC and or NESAC.  Could leave a very good team outside looking in.  The NE regional is shaping up to be a very good one, and look forward to seeing more conference tournament action
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on April 30, 2009, 07:39:18 pm
 ::)  I'm new to D3 boards this year, so, fair game for all other "in the know."   I have read all the New England discussions/comments over the past 2 seasons however and have now seen enough Babson snubbing and ridiculing.  Remember last season, when these beavers (Ward, June Wally and "the Beave") were left out of the invitations, by the powers to be?   There were many whom felt Babson was one of the top 3 "just out"/bubble teams even though they are 8-5 vs "The Wheaties" over the last few seasons.....including, "YES" , 3 of 4 this year---and the NEWMAC conference tourney rounds 2 and 3 sweeping of the ? # 3, 6, 8. 12. 15?? team in the U.S. IN D3 STILL, CURRENTLY?   If anyone chiming in on these boards watched a few NEWMAC games, there'd be much fewer boards loaded with Wheaties praise and much more praise for Babson and W.P.I this year.   Of course, the NEWMAC tourney, which Babson swept through 4-0 with 2 wins over Wheaton, to take them out,single handedly... (and yet Babson is still not ranked in TOP 25 Nationally, nor in Top 10 IN NEW ENGLAND even???)  Obviously, like everything else, politics must be involved in the D3 ranking system....
WPI is number 6 or 7 in New England now, are they?---and Wheaton somehow still shows up at # 4, or 5 is it?   Hmmm..  I guess the NEWMAC tourney was a fluke?    Let's see---yesterday's scores----ECSU 11-0 over those same, highly ranked, never to be moved from TOP 5 NEW ENGLAND regional rankings/ Wheaties ?    Someone involved in the invite process needs to pay a little closer attn to New England, in general maybe?  They also seem to consider this the $#%@ CONFERENCE....?   
Last Year's champ but have been a fluke also---wasn't Trinity about 43-0 going into the National finals?     Wheaton is ranked right nexto to them, while Babson doesn't get 1 vote for top 10 in New England?    I guess their out of conference schedule should be tougher next year, as they ONLY played, Southern Maine, TRINITY, Tufts, Curry, Rhode Island Coll, ECSU and Keene State maybe this year and/or last year?   Let's not forget 4 games vs Wheaton and 2 more vs W.P.I. this year...   Everyone, please Stop THE WHEATON BIAS, ALL THE WAY FROM THE TOP OF THE D3 committee, down to us know nothing, New England fans......  It's like N.Y. Yankee praise.....WHICH WAS ALSO APPROPRIATE---WHEN THEY WERE WINNING CHAMPIONSHIPS.      Sorry, if my 1st entry seems a little harsh....it's not aimed at anyone in specific, just a little tired of 2 years of reading nothing but, "breakfast of champions" praise....    I think they are averaging about 4 errors per game the past 3 weeks---"crunch time??" 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2009, 08:12:02 pm
Welcome moc...

Let me address your questions...



::)  I'm new to D3 boards this year, so, fair game for all other "in the know."   I have read all the New England discussions/comments over the past 2 seasons however and have now seen enough Babson snubbing and ridiculing.  Remember last season, when these beavers (Ward, June Wally and "the Beave") were left out of the invitations, by the powers to be?  There were only 14 at-large bids last season to award to the runners-up.  It is not that hard to be a good team and stay home. There were many whom felt Babson was one of the top 3 "just out"/bubble teams even though they are 8-5 vs "The Wheaties" over the last few seasons.....including, "YES" , 3 of 4 this year---and the NEWMAC conference tourney rounds 2 and 3 sweeping of the ? # 3, 6, 8. 12. 15?? team in the U.S. IN D3 STILL, CURRENTLY?   Babson was #8 in the first New England Regional Rankings in 2008.  Good but not stellar.  Mathematically, top quartile of D-III (top 90 teams) for sure. If anyone chiming in on these boards watched a few NEWMAC games, there'd be much fewer boards loaded with Wheaties praise and much more praise for Babson and W.P.I this year.   Of course, the NEWMAC tourney, which Babson swept through 4-0 with 2 wins over Wheaton, to take them out,single handedly... (and yet Babson is still not ranked in TOP 25 Nationally, nor in Top 10 IN NEW ENGLAND even???)  Obviously, like everything else, politics must be involved in the D3 ranking system.... Actually the top 25 in only reflective of 7% of D3.  Plenty of good teams are left out.  The season is still young.
WPI is number 6 or 7 in New England now, are they?---and Wheaton somehow still shows up at # 4, or 5 is it?   Hmmm..  I guess the NEWMAC tourney was a fluke?    Let's see---yesterday's scores----ECSU 11-0 over those same, highly ranked, never to be moved from TOP 5 NEW ENGLAND regional rankings/ Wheaties ?    Someone involved in the invite process needs to pay a little closer attn to New England, in general maybe?  They also seem to consider this the $#%@ CONFERENCE....?   
Last Year's champ but have been a fluke also---wasn't Trinity about 43-0 going into the National finals?     Wheaton is ranked right nexto to them, while Babson doesn't get 1 vote for top 10 in New England?    I guess their out of conference schedule should be tougher next year, as they ONLY played, Southern Maine, TRINITY, Tufts, Curry, Rhode Island Coll, ECSU and Keene State maybe this year and/or last year?   Let's not forget 4 games vs Wheaton and 2 more vs W.P.I. this year...   Everyone, please Stop THE WHEATON BIAS, ALL THE WAY FROM THE TOP OF THE D3 committee, down to us know nothing, New England fans......  It's like N.Y. Yankee praise.....WHICH WAS ALSO APPROPRIATE---WHEN THEY WERE WINNING CHAMPIONSHIPS.      Sorry, if my 1st entry seems a little harsh....it's not aimed at anyone in specific, just a little tired of 2 years of reading nothing but, "breakfast of champions" praise....    I think they are averaging about 4 errors per game the past 3 weeks---"crunch time??"  Babson is on the radar screens, like another 6 or 8 teams.  Adrian was much the same way last year coming out of nowhere to make it to the Series.

Welcome and good luck to Babson!
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on April 30, 2009, 08:35:20 pm
thank you for addressing my initial posy, Ralph.   You are correct about Babson last year, of course---and about many teams being bubbled out, as always.  I also don't blame you for addressing my Wheaton bashing in my 1st post.  Please understand----I wouldn't bash Wheaton--a solid program x 11 years of NEWMAC, as we all know.....but----to add to my point about their "permanent place" kept for them in top 5 New England, no matter what they do---I just saw today's D3 headlines now----UMass Dartmouth, at a whopping 12-24 overall, just came back TODAY with an 11 run outburst to beat the "breakfast of champions"/yes, the higly ranked Wheaties---at Norton, Mass...on the Wheaties home field no less....
maybe the 3rd Regional rankings next week, will show Wheaton move up a few spots???    I'm hoping and thinking you have nothing to do with regional rankings?  please say you don't?  I honestly do not know your involvement, if any?      Are you one whom believes they should still be # 4-5 in New England, above 2 teams in their conference which beat them head to head this season 5 games to 3 ?      I'LL TONE DOWN THE LONGER I'M ON THESE BOARDS, JUST WAITED FAR TOO LONG TO JOIN IN MAYBE...:))       BABSON was the 1st team to beat Wheaton in the conference reg season last year--remember?   This yr W.P.I swept Wheaton, the day after Babson gave Wheaton it's 1st conf loss (they went from 9-0 to 9-3 in 2 days) mianly because Wheaton didn't have to play these 2 teams until the last week of conference play....   Then Babson beat Wheaties 2 more times in back-to-back days of Newmac tourney........and, still no major movement down by Wheaton, nor no sign of Babson on the rankings radar either?   Babson did have a couple key injuries and they lost games they shouldn't have....but---in a short tourney with top 6-8 teams, they have 4 nice starters whom can pitch with anyone......    You must admit----most of the Wheaton praise comes from their history----so, the D3 committee probably doesn't see enough NEWMAC games to know both W.P.I. and Babson are legit, while Wheaton should be one of the 1st teams you cross off, as upset bait, in the Regionals----IF they are invited.   It would be a tragedy if they are invited over WNEC, W.P.I. and/or Curry     The bias is seen everywhere in New England----as, even though Babson, then W.P.I. both took Wheaton off their perch, the NEWMAC final standings still show Wheaton on top of W.P.I.    Both were 9-3 in conf and W.P.I. swept wheaton head to head??   See what the "non Wheaties" have to deal with, year after year?   Thanks for listening....
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on April 30, 2009, 08:52:16 pm
Babson hasn't received a ton of respect for the regional polls for the following reasons:

21-17 overall record - too many losses
0-4 against the LEC - Gotta beat some of the teams from the best conference in the region

Wheaton has because a) the history b) a great overall record (29-11) and c) solid wins vs. TCNJ, WNEC, and Keene St.

They lost a few games in conference - it happens.  ECSU lost to UMass Dartmouth this year too!
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on April 30, 2009, 09:06:15 pm
OK, THANKS AGAIN....I THINK THE "0-4 VS LEC" MAKES SOME SENSE TO ME NOW...AS, I HAD never looked for that STAT....    I KNOW THE OVERALL 21-17 is also key.   Thank God they won their tourney--and they knew that was their only hope for NCAA's, of course.    Last year they were flat out snubbed.....  Wins/losses/overall were all there...as well as being 1st team to dethrown, you know whom in NEWMAC reg season. 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on April 30, 2009, 09:14:12 pm
Hi guys,

The 2nd regional rankings came out today, and they are as follows:

New England Region
1. Southern Maine 31-4 26-3
2. Eastern Connecticut State 26-6 23-6
3. Trinity (Conn.) 24-4 24-2
4. Wheaton (Mass.) 28-9 25-8
5. Worcester Polytech 22-11 21-8
6. Curry 30-5 26-4
7. Williams 20-8 16-5
8. Suffolk 27-8 24-7
9. Worcester State 26-11 26-8
10. Western New England 25-14 22-13

--------------

I'm going to be perfectly honest here... was the committee under a rock for the last week? Wow. I don't have the time to offer my usual critiques of each team, but if I were ranking the teams today, they'd look something like this:

1. Southern Maine
2. Trinity
3. Curry
4. Eastern Connecticut
5. Suffolk
6. Wheaton
7. St. Joe's (ME)
8. Worcester State
9. WNEC
10. Babson

---

To be perfectly honest, WPI has no right to an at-large bid, and with the way things look currently, they might earn one over a more deserving Curry squad. If that happens, then...   ???
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on April 30, 2009, 10:03:44 pm
WOW, Wheaton now really seems to have crashed and burned in loss to UMD!!

USM rolls over Babson, in a game only important to USM
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2009, 10:16:49 pm
I have been following D3 baseball very closely for about 5-6 seasons now.

We have a Top 25 for 360 teams.  (The Top 25 for BCS Football covers the best of 110+ FBS schools.)

The Top 25 means that there are about 60 teams that aren't getting any press.  There are 32 tourneys in Pool A conferences.  That means that there are 64 conference tourney finalists!  We followed Pomona-Pitzer, Cal LU and Redlands in the SCIAC.  CAC --Salisbury and York PA.  MIAA -- Adrian and Olivet.  Pool B-- 6-8 schools.

That is nearly 80-90 schools that are in the hunt!  There are so many teams below the radar that I am not surprised by who gets hot!  The West and the South finish early.  The West and the South get lots of press.  The snowbird teams are struggling to get games in, all the while the batters are playing 5-6 games per week.  You can get into a good groove playing that often.  That lets a team get hot and on a great run beginning in late April (about now).
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2009, 10:18:24 pm
OK, THANKS AGAIN....I THINK THE "0-4 VS LEC" MAKES SOME SENSE TO ME NOW...AS, I HAD never looked for that STAT....    I KNOW THE OVERALL 21-17 is also key.   Thank God they won their tourney--and they knew that was their only hope for NCAA's, of course.    Last year they were flat out snubbed.....  Wins/losses/overall were all there...as well as being 1st team to dethrown, you know whom in NEWMAC reg season. 

The Handbook says "Results vs in-region teams".
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on April 30, 2009, 10:57:37 pm
Another good analysis TheGNAC.  It must have been a big rock the committee was under. The ranking call is done after the weekend, right? How does Babson not at least make #10? And Wheaton and WPI who don't make the finals of their tourney both stay in the top 5? I understand there are many criteria they use in the rankings but it's beginning to look like reputation is now one of the first criteria.

Your rankings are much more on the money. The only difference would be to swap Curry and ECSU(and that's probably results from this week talking more that last week's results)

Next ranking will be very interesting with 2 very bad games for the Wheaties added on top of the failure in the WETHCTPI tourney. See where they end up ranked after this week.

Once again and on a side note, congrats to Suffolk and good luck in the Regionals from your GNAC rivals.  You'll represent GNAC well.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on April 30, 2009, 11:15:06 pm
ECSU alum....you are correct about both comments---1st, I'll take it a step further than our earlier critiques of them---Wheaton is waaay overrated "this year".   Ranking a team, highly due to its "history" is bogus--and harmful to teams trying to be recognized---by winning....and by playing tough non-conf  schedules.   I do understand their being placed highly in pre-season and staying up there the 1st 1/2 of season...they were about 22-3 at one point and 3rd in Nation.   If we all look at their last 10 games---like the NCAA basketball committee does before March madness selections, we might see 4-6?   Facts---per being "snowbirds", once they got into lat season/tough conference/regional games, their (lack of depth in) pitching has now been exposed.   No more pre-season Florida wins, no more Coast Guard/Clark pitching in conf to beat up on now.   But---as someone said earlier this eve---the committee may have been hibernating the last 2 weeks?   Once Wheaton is plugged into top 5....based on their "past"...it takes more than 6 losses in 2.5 weeks to drop them out of top 15 in the whole country?   No-one else would last that long, would they?  And #5 in New England still?  

As far as USM beating Babson's # 6 or 7 starter today 15-9----Babson was actually up 8-6 in the 4th inning, fyi....and outhit USM most of the game.   The Beavers' # 6- 7 starter was used as they are resting their real arms after their 4-0 tourney performance last weekend over M.I.T., W.P.I. and Wheaton.....when Babson's 2nd and 3rd starters (Jeff Wojnar and Michael O'Brien---Newmac pitcher of week, prior week WITH 18 S.O.'S in 9 innings vs WENTWORTH'S 21-12 TEAM) each kept that vaunted Wheaton offense at bay for 7-8 innings each game....
Their ace, Andrew Aizenstadt had gone about 8 innings in game # 1 of tourney, giving up zero earned runs in their 1st win vs. # 3 seed, M.I.T.  at M.I.T....
tHEIR 4TH STARTER, MATT BARTON,  shut down M.I.T in the finals....going 8 innings and giving up just 1-2 earned runs vs an M.I.T. team which had just scored 21 runs on 21 hits in an earlier tourney game---coming back from 8-0 deficit to beat Clark 21-12 !!    So---babson has 4 solid starters----beware the Beavers in Regionals!     Maybe they do want Wheaton to get an invite???  Would be nice to get them again in  1st round---as a nice tune up for those top LEC teams, which are legit...    does the committe have the guts to leave Wheaton out?   yeah right....     sorry WNec, Curry, Suffolk and any other "deserving teams".....  Queen Wheaton still has their reservation in stone it seems....  
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on April 30, 2009, 11:20:54 pm
sorry WNec, Curry, Suffolk and any other "deserving teams".....  Queen Wheaton still has their reservation in stone it seems....  

Well, good thing for Suffolk that they won the automatic bid over the weekend, then.

I do agree with your general sentiments, though.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on April 30, 2009, 11:23:23 pm
Another good analysis TheGNAC.  It must have been a big rock the committee was under. The ranking call is done after the weekend, right? How does Babson not at least make #10? And Wheaton and WPI who don't make the finals of their tourney both stay in the top 5? I understand there are many criteria they use in the rankings but it's beginning to look like reputation is now one of the first criteria.

Your rankings are much more on the money. The only difference would be to swap Curry and ECSU(and that's probably results from this week talking more that last week's results)

Next ranking will be very interesting with 2 very bad games for the Wheaties added on top of the failure in the WETHCTPI tourney. See where they end up ranked after this week.

Once again and on a side note, congrats to Suffolk and good luck in the Regionals from your GNAC rivals.  You'll represent GNAC well.

Thanks Stump, enjoyed having another GNAC poster to talk shop with this year. I can tell you're a St. Joe's guy, so if it means anything, I'd give the Monks some serious consideration if I were on the selection committee. They proved yesterday they can beat any team in the country, and it's a shame they'll probably miss the regionals this year for the first time since 2004.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: mans007 on April 30, 2009, 11:32:07 pm
moc, and to everyone else who is not aware.  A few years back the ncaa div 3 powers that be created a regional point system.  So, therefore when the committe meets to pick the regionals it is now pretty cut and dry.  At large teams are picked by there regional points, period. There are no more bias or bangwagon voting. You beat good teams in region and you will amass enough points to get an at large bid. Win your conference tourney or beat as many good in region teams as possible. Other then that you don't have much else to complain about.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: mans007 on April 30, 2009, 11:43:30 pm
one more thing... I have not seen curry college play this year but im not totally understanding everyones perception of some kind of regional ranking diservice.  I think everyone will agree that the New England region is pretty strong this year but Curry really hasn't beaten anyone. In fact, they have lost to bridgewater and ric. They beat wheaton who everyone thinks is overated, thats it. I just don't see the arguments being made?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: DougiesGoinDeep on May 01, 2009, 01:39:16 am
Moc...

If it makes you feel any better, in my opinion Wheaton has played there last game and will NOT receive an at large bid this year. There is no way you can justify them getting into a regional with a very average record this year. I have absolutely no idea how Wheaton is even still ranked in the top 10 in New England in this recent poll. Babson has proven this year that they are the best team in the NEWMAC and rightfully so, they have earned their trip to the NE regional. All Wheaton has done this year is under achieve with some bad losses. However, there is just too much talent between USM, Trinity and ECSU to think that anyone can compete with them in the NE regional. USM has a ridiculous offense to go along with some above average pitchers, Trinity has arguably the best pitcher in all of D3 in Bayer and probably the second best offense behind USM with Killeen, Graham and Wood, and ECSU has the depth to win the regional with a very strong senior class led by Gilblair and the ability to beat anyone on any given day. I just don't see anyone upsetting these 3 teams in the regional. My pick is still USM, but I think Trinity could also make a run if Bayer can pitch 2 of the 4 or 5 games.   
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: OshDude on May 01, 2009, 06:54:33 am
moc, and to everyone else who is not aware.  A few years back the ncaa div 3 powers that be created a regional point system.  So, therefore when the committe meets to pick the regionals it is now pretty cut and dry.  At large teams are picked by there regional points, period. There are no more bias or bangwagon voting. You beat good teams in region and you will amass enough points to get an at large bid. Win your conference tourney or beat as many good in region teams as possible. Other then that you don't have much else to complain about.
Not used anymore.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on May 01, 2009, 08:27:33 am
moc welcome to the board.  As a keene state guy i have seen the owls battle babson and wheaton over the last 4 or 5 years, with relative success against both of them.  Babson had a great year and they are in and for that i am excited.  They have a great program, a gream coach, and a great field.  I think that they can compete with anyone in NE on any given day.  I know that everyone praises Wheaton, and i think for good reason over the last couple of seasons.  They have a winning program and they are year in and year out one of the elite programs in NE.  Now that being said they did have an off year and they should not get in, Keene experianced this same thing in 2006 when they where snubbed with a 31-14 record while Eastern, and USM got in, after Keene had beaten Eastern three times that year, and USM in the semis of the LEC tournament.  I guess you can say it was Keenes own fault for failing to win the tournament that year but its tough for programs to get the "national press" to start.  If you see Babson make a bit or a run this year in the regionals, and then put together another couple of regional runs you will see them get thier press just like Wheaton.  That is what Keene has and is doing right now.  THey play in the toughest d3 conference in the country with two teams that have 6 National Titles betweeen them.  USM and Eastern are "known" and rightfully so around the country.  It took a couple of years for Keene to get "thier press" and like Keene i am sure that Babson will get thiers too.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 01, 2009, 09:25:12 am
::)  I'm new to D3 boards this year, so, fair game for all other "in the know."   I have read all the New England discussions/comments over the past 2 seasons however and have now seen enough Babson snubbing and ridiculing.  Remember last season, when these beavers (Ward, June Wally and "the Beave") were left out of the invitations, by the powers to be?   There were many whom felt Babson was one of the top 3 "just out"/bubble teams even though they are 8-5 vs "The Wheaties" over the last few seasons.....including, "YES" , 3 of 4 this year---and the NEWMAC conference tourney rounds 2 and 3 sweeping of the ? # 3, 6, 8. 12. 15?? team in the U.S. IN D3 STILL, CURRENTLY?   If anyone chiming in on these boards watched a few NEWMAC games, there'd be much fewer boards loaded with Wheaties praise and much more praise for Babson and W.P.I this year.   Of course, the NEWMAC tourney, which Babson swept through 4-0 with 2 wins over Wheaton, to take them out,single handedly... (and yet Babson is still not ranked in TOP 25 Nationally, nor in Top 10 IN NEW ENGLAND even???)  Obviously, like everything else, politics must be involved in the D3 ranking system....
WPI is number 6 or 7 in New England now, are they?---and Wheaton somehow still shows up at # 4, or 5 is it?   Hmmm..  I guess the NEWMAC tourney was a fluke?    Let's see---yesterday's scores----ECSU 11-0 over those same, highly ranked, never to be moved from TOP 5 NEW ENGLAND regional rankings/ Wheaties ?    Someone involved in the invite process needs to pay a little closer attn to New England, in general maybe?  They also seem to consider this the $#%@ CONFERENCE....?   
Last Year's champ but have been a fluke also---wasn't Trinity about 43-0 going into the National finals?     Wheaton is ranked right nexto to them, while Babson doesn't get 1 vote for top 10 in New England?    I guess their out of conference schedule should be tougher next year, as they ONLY played, Southern Maine, TRINITY, Tufts, Curry, Rhode Island Coll, ECSU and Keene State maybe this year and/or last year?   Let's not forget 4 games vs Wheaton and 2 more vs W.P.I. this year...   Everyone, please Stop THE WHEATON BIAS, ALL THE WAY FROM THE TOP OF THE D3 committee, down to us know nothing, New England fans......  It's like N.Y. Yankee praise.....WHICH WAS ALSO APPROPRIATE---WHEN THEY WERE WINNING CHAMPIONSHIPS.      Sorry, if my 1st entry seems a little harsh....it's not aimed at anyone in specific, just a little tired of 2 years of reading nothing but, "breakfast of champions" praise....    I think they are averaging about 4 errors per game the past 3 weeks---"crunch time??" 

Babson Beavers are now the Rodney Dangerfields of the NorthEast ???

I don't get no Respect! :-X :-\ :'( :-* :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYCCDD7VXEc&feature=related


Get in line Babson, when you play in a region with the likes of USM, Wheaton, EastConn, Trinity, as established national powerhouses, and the likes of KSC, WNEC, St. Joe's as programs on the verge of it, get in line.

Word 8)

Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 01, 2009, 10:05:18 am
moc, and to everyone else who is not aware.  A few years back the ncaa div 3 powers that be created a regional point system.  So, therefore when the committe meets to pick the regionals it is now pretty cut and dry.  At large teams are picked by there regional points, period. There are no more bias or bangwagon voting. You beat good teams in region and you will amass enough points to get an at large bid. Win your conference tourney or beat as many good in region teams as possible. Other then that you don't have much else to complain about.
   

 Thanks, Mans007---I was unaware of the committee's regional "point system", which actually makes some sense.   Is the point sytem published for fans to view?   Since every other imaginable stat for every team/player is provided, wouldn't it make sense for them to show whatever "point system" they do us, at selection time to all involved? 
If you say it's "cut and dry"....and no-one should have any gripes if not selected....  where are the point standings within each region shown?   I know they show regional record and overall record in top 10 regional ranking list each week now, but...ther are some teams in the top ten, whom are ahead of others in region--even though their record within region is not better?    Also, for teams in New England--specifically, LEC, when you have 3 0r 4 teams Nationally ranked in top 10-15 all year---they would all receive at large bids--if they don't win conf tourney, based on that point system, right?  If they are in the toughest region in the U.S.  and have to play ECSU, Trinity and USM twice each----are any of those "regional, but also conference, wins counted in this point system you refer to---or, is it only for games outside your conference?   thanks again for the point system info...   MOC
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on May 01, 2009, 10:31:31 am
Moc- i think that Oshdude said above that they dont use that points system anymore
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: OshDude on May 01, 2009, 12:07:33 pm
Moc- i think that Oshdude said above that they dont use that points system anymore
Thankfully the NCAA no longer uses it. It was amazing, but the QoWI was scrapped after the 2007 season.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 01, 2009, 09:01:43 pm
Moc...

If it makes you feel any better, in my opinion Wheaton has played there last game and will NOT receive an at large bid this year. There is no way you can justify them getting into a regional with a very average record this year. I have absolutely no idea how Wheaton is even still ranked in the top 10 in New England in this recent poll. Babson has proven this year that they are the best team in the NEWMAC and rightfully so, they have earned their trip to the NE regional. All Wheaton has done this year is under achieve with some bad losses. However, there is just too much talent between USM, Trinity and ECSU to think that anyone can compete with them in the NE regional. USM has a ridiculous offense to go along with some above average pitchers, Trinity has arguably the best pitcher in all of D3 in Bayer and probably the second best offense behind USM with Killeen, Graham and Wood, and ECSU has the depth to win the regional with a very strong senior class led by Gilblair and the ability to beat anyone on any given day. I just don't see anyone upsetting these 3 teams in the regional. My pick is still USM, but I think Trinity could also make a run if Bayer can pitch 2 of the 4 or 5 games.   
8)     

Dougiesgoindeep---I agree USM, Trinity, ECSU will be tough to take out, per the double elim format, as they will eventually "hit" their way back to the semis from any possible 1st round defeat at the hands of someone like Babson, Wheaton (if invited) Curry, Suffolk, etc etc....but, as we all know from playing, observing, coaching baseball games since our youth......a strong performance by a top notch starter can quiet ANY batting lineup---for any one game.    Any one of these three can be beaten on day one, if a lower seed gets a 9 out of 10 effort by their starting p.     Once that happens---if it does---that top seed can then be in big trouble, as far as being able to climb all the way back to win the region.   All 3 top seeds know they will have the pressure on them to get game 1....because those other 2 top seeds probably will be in winners' bracket.   If WNEC, Babson and Wheaton all end up as the "lower" seeds----don't bet the mortgage against all 3 of them in round 1....    As you have seen in last 24 hours on these boards---I've been the biggest Wheaton basher--or, disbeliever to be polite, for this season----but--they certainly do have enough all around batting talent and an All american/Gingras starting for them---not to mention Josh Simmons as closer in any close game late...     Babson has Aizenstadt--rookie of year last year---and 6-1 starter this season, with a rare save in finals of NEWMAC tourney also.......zero earned runs his last few starts (and 1 save) combined.    If they can get a round 1 win---watch out---3 very good starters follow Aizenstadt---thus the 4-0 sweep through their tourney.      I know college baseball is a hitting league, in general, with several teams batting well over .300 each year, so, eventually those teams do show up at the end.   Not too many of them have the 4 quality starters Babson has though----so, they can be equalizers?      For a team like Trinity to go 43-0 or more last year...and almost run the whole table through the Nationals....they obviously weren't "stopped" by anyone!   USM never stops hitting, nor does Trinity as you say.  ECSU is always solid, top to bottom.    Any of these 3 would be almost impossible to take down, in a best of 7 series.   The good news for all others is:  it's not best of 7 !!     Too bad all 3 may be in same regionals.....      Would love to believe Wheaton will be absent, but....they still show up as # 15 Nationally, # 4 in NEW ENG?     TRAVESTY......
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 01, 2009, 09:11:32 pm
KSCfan-----belated "thanks" for the D3 bb welcome you extended my way....Most of you guys are far ahead of me, in the D3 teams knowlege, in general-----as, I've sorta been locked in, locally, to the NEWMAC conference, along with a few others nearby me-- WNEC, Westfield State, etc.    I've seen just a few of the powerhouses, Keene State, ECSU, USM, Trinity games over the past 2 seasons---so, am not qualifies to judge their individual talents...by any means..    Their overall and regional records do speak for themselves--no doubt there. 
I've enjoyed reading all of the D3 New England discussions you guys have been having over those 2 years---and finally decided to join in.    Thanks for the window:)))
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on May 01, 2009, 09:36:45 pm
moc323,
  Glad you joined in the discussions. It's great having more people talking baseball. There are a lot of knowledge that gets shared on these boards. We can't see everybody but you can really get a good idea of how the different conferences shape up by reading the posts. I know I feel like I know the LEC pretty well and I've only seen USM and KSC this year.(and only USM in person, KSC on web)
 It's like a family. Sometimes there are some pretty good squabbles(see the LEC board)and some real rivalries but it's all pretty good natured.  And then there's always wordsmith for a little different perspective on things ;) Thanks Word ;D :D

So welcome aboard and enjoy the ride :)
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 01, 2009, 09:45:00 pm
moc323,
  Glad you joined in the discussions. It's great having more people talking baseball. There are a lot of knowledge that gets shared on these boards. We can't see everybody but you can really get a good idea of how the different conferences shape up by reading the posts. I know I feel like I know the LEC pretty well and I've only seen USM and KSC this year.(and only USM in person, KSC on web)
 It's like a family. Sometimes there are some pretty good squabbles(see the LEC board)and some real rivalries but it's all pretty good natured.  And then there's always wordsmith for a little different perspective on things ;) Thanks Word ;D :D

So welcome aboard and enjoy the ride :)
   

Thanks Stump.....much appreciated.  It is all in good fun, as you say---and I also enjoy the LEC squabbles for added entertainment.   I need to work on navigating around these BB better, as I don't always find my way back to where I want to go, looking for replies...   growing pains:))    c'est la vie !   If you don't like baseball---you aren't American !!   (almost sounds like a Yogi- ism, tho maybe not flawed enough:))   
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: mans007 on May 01, 2009, 11:06:40 pm
The point system is still being used. It is actually the reason ECSU goes to Arizona now. More teams from the northeast. They would play better competition in cali but they had to do it.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on May 01, 2009, 11:15:56 pm
The point system is still being used. It is actually the reason ECSU goes to Arizona now. More teams from the northeast. They would play better competition in cali but they had to do it.

Thats funny coach H said it was because they changed the week of spring break and we couldn't get the games we wanted.  You could have a point though, it makes better sense.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: OshDude on May 02, 2009, 09:50:33 am
The point system is still being used. It is actually the reason ECSU goes to Arizona now. More teams from the northeast. They would play better competition in cali but they had to do it.
Do you mean the QoWI (teams were awarded points for home/road, wins/losses in a tiered system based on in-region winning percentages)? If that's what you're referencing, it was last used in 2007. Please believe me.

Straight from the 2009 Handbook, which looks very similar to the 2008 Handbook ... not a point system to be found:
Selection Criteria.
Primary Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA
championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents’ Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
• See Appendix B for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the rankings/
selection process only.
• Conference postseason contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth
years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional and reclassifying members
shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.
Secondary Criteria
If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision, the secondary criteria will be
reviewed. All the criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order). The secondary criteria
introduce results against out-of-region Division III and all other opponents including those contests
versus opponents from other classifications (i.e., provisionals, NAIA, NCAA Divisions I and II).
• Out-of-region head-to-head competition.
• Overall Division III win-loss percentage.
• Results versus common non Division III opponents.
• Results versus all Division III ranked teams.
• Overall win-loss percentage.
• Results versus all common opponents.
• Overall DIII Strength of Schedule.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: dgilblair on May 03, 2009, 01:24:57 pm
For those who would like to listen to the WNEC vs Curry game.  http://www.curry.edu/Athletics/  Lower righthand side of the page. 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on May 03, 2009, 01:30:33 pm
DGilblair...
I wish I could but I gotta put down mulch today.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2009, 04:14:57 pm
DGilblair...
I wish I could but I gotta put down mulch today.
Why go outside...

There is plenty of mulch being put down on these boards!   :D
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on May 03, 2009, 05:02:08 pm
Ralph,
DOn't you mean manure? I know what you mean.....
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2009, 05:27:11 pm
Ralph,
DOn't you mean manure? I know what you mean.....
I was being polite!   :D
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: DIII Dad on May 03, 2009, 08:34:06 pm
moc323,
Here are the standings for the NEWMAC. You said in an earlier post Wheaton was listed over WPI. Maybe if you weren't blinded by your rage over Wheaton you would see WPI on top.

                 Conf.     Over-All 
WPI           9-3-0     26-11-0 
Wheaton     9-3-0    30-12-0 
MIT            7-5-0    24-14-0 
Babson        6-6-0    22-18-0 
Springfield    5-7-0    9-26-0 
Clark           4-8-0    14-21-0 
Coast Guard 2-10-0  7-23-0 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 03, 2009, 08:38:51 pm
Moc...

If it makes you feel any better, in my opinion Wheaton has played there last game and will NOT receive an at large bid this year. There is no way you can justify them getting into a regional with a very average record this year. I have absolutely no idea how Wheaton is even still ranked in the top 10 in New England in this recent poll. Babson has proven this year that they are the best team in the NEWMAC and rightfully so, they have earned their trip to the NE regional. All Wheaton has done this year is under achieve with some bad losses. However, there is just too much talent between USM, Trinity and ECSU to think that anyone can compete with them in the NE regional. USM has a ridiculous offense to go along with some above average pitchers, Trinity has arguably the best pitcher in all of D3 in Bayer and probably the second best offense behind USM with Killeen, Graham and Wood, and ECSU has the depth to win the regional with a very strong senior class led by Gilblair and the ability to beat anyone on any given day. I just don't see anyone upsetting these 3 teams in the regional. My pick is still USM, but I think Trinity could also make a run if Bayer can pitch 2 of the 4 or 5 games.   
8)     

Dougiesgoindeep---I agree USM, Trinity, ECSU will be tough to take out, per the double elim format, as they will eventually "hit" their way back to the semis from any possible 1st round defeat at the hands of someone like Babson, Wheaton (if invited) Curry, Suffolk, etc etc....but, as we all know from playing, observing, coaching baseball games since our youth......a strong performance by a top notch starter can quiet ANY batting lineup---for any one game.    Any one of these three can be beaten on day one, if a lower seed gets a 9 out of 10 effort by their starting p.     Once that happens---if it does---that top seed can then be in big trouble, as far as being able to climb all the way back to win the region.   All 3 top seeds know they will have the pressure on them to get game 1....because those other 2 top seeds probably will be in winners' bracket.   If WNEC, Babson and Wheaton all end up as the "lower" seeds----don't bet the mortgage against all 3 of them in round 1....    As you have seen in last 24 hours on these boards---I've been the biggest Wheaton basher--or, disbeliever to be polite, for this season----but--they certainly do have enough all around batting talent and an All american/Gingras starting for them---not to mention Josh Simmons as closer in any close game late...     Babson has Aizenstadt--rookie of year last year---and 6-1 starter this season, with a rare save in finals of NEWMAC tourney also.......zero earned runs his last few starts (and 1 save) combined.    If they can get a round 1 win---watch out---3 very good starters follow Aizenstadt---thus the 4-0 sweep through their tourney.      I know college baseball is a hitting league, in general, with several teams batting well over .300 each year, so, eventually those teams do show up at the end.   Not too many of them have the 4 quality starters Babson has though----so, they can be equalizers?      For a team like Trinity to go 43-0 or more last year...and almost run the whole table through the Nationals....they obviously weren't "stopped" by anyone!   USM never stops hitting, nor does Trinity as you say.  ECSU is always solid, top to bottom.    Any of these 3 would be almost impossible to take down, in a best of 7 series.   The good news for all others is:  it's not best of 7 !!     Too bad all 3 may be in same regionals.....      Would love to believe Wheaton will be absent, but....they still show up as # 15 Nationally, # 4 in NEW ENG?     TRAVESTY......

I believe there is a good chance Trinity gets sent to the NY region and becomes that region's #1 seed. Cortland state cannot legitimately be the #1 seed in that region.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on May 04, 2009, 12:56:05 pm
Some Broadcast info re LEC Tourney for those interested:

Here is USM Radio web link:

http://people.usm.maine.edu/jkessler/athletics/

As of today it was just showing the USM vs Plymouth State game from last weekend, but would assume they will post broadcasts of the LEC Tourney soon.

Very good announcers of of USM College Radio
Here is Little East TV broadcast schedule:

 Current Schedule
05/07
 Little East Baseball Final Four Game 1: USM vs. UMB (ME) 12:00PM (EST) 
05/07
 Little East Baseball Final Four Game 2: ECSU vs. KSC (ME) 03:30PM (EST) 
05/08
 Little East Baseball Final Four Game 3 (ME) 09:30AM (EST) 
05/08
 Little East Baseball Final Four Game 4 (ME) 12:30PM (EST) 
05/08
 Little East Baseball Final Four Game 5 (ME) 03:30PM (EST) 
05/09
 Little East Baseball Final Four Game 6 (ME) 12:00PM (EST) 
05/09 Little East Baseball Final Four Game 7 (ME) 03:00PM (EST) 

Again, go to LEC web site and click on Little East TV, then click on game as shown above under "Current Schedule"

Click on "try this link" under video box if video does not show in 20 seconds

 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 04, 2009, 02:06:55 pm
moc323,
Here are the standings for the NEWMAC. You said in an earlier post Wheaton was listed over WPI. Maybe if you weren't blinded by your rage over Wheaton you would see WPI on top.
thanks Wheaton dad? Or, d3 dad------but---if you followed that conference a few weeks ago, as the reg season ended and the NEWMAC tourney started up---it was a full week, before they flip flopped those two teams and showed them, accurately, as you now show them.  And it wasn't because the wins/losses/stats hadn't been updated for the 2 teams yet--as the NEWMAC had showed both their records at 9-3, which is how they finished conference play.    From your "rage" comment, I have to assume you are a D3 DAD, OF A Wheaton player...?   If so---sorry for any "rage" aimed at your son's team...It wasn't meant for, nor aimed at any of the players on Wheaton----AS I FOLLOWED UP IN A COUPLE LATER POSTS BY STATING THEY "HAVE PLENTY OF TALENT", etc etc.....It's strictly observations I made that the committees whom judge all d3 teams, had seemingly, already plugged Wheaton in to a certain top area, for year end consideration, before they even played their schedule out??.....   These standings showed Wheaton 1st, WPI 2nd, as I said-----with these identical 9-3 records for at least a full week---before they were finally corrected.  Simple oversight by those whom list standings?  maybe.   maybe not, based on 2 years of adoration given to Wheaton on D3 sites in general.....even as they go through their late season swoon this year...   
              
 Conf.     Over-All 
WPI           9-3-0     26-11-0 
Wheaton     9-3-0    30-12-0 
MIT            7-5-0    24-14-0 
Babson        6-6-0    22-18-0 
Springfield    5-7-0    9-26-0 
Clark           4-8-0    14-21-0 
Coast Guard 2-10-0  7-23-0 

Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: rbgosfan on May 04, 2009, 03:05:01 pm
moc323,
Calm down a little bit. I agree that  Wheaton has received a lot of press over  the past 2 years but starting with their second place finish nationally in 2006 they have done a lot to deserve it. I saw them a couple of times in Arizona this year and they were a quality team. Prior to their late season problems they were deserving of much of the praise.

I also agree that  teams to get recognized as much by reputation as witnessed by Cortland and Hopkins being top 5 in preseason polls and not ranked halfway through the seasaon. With the number of D3 schools out there and lack of data on all  the recruits, reputation and returning players has to be a key factor early in the year and once ranked it does take a while to slip downward but that is the case when 25 coaches are voting who could not possibly have seen all the teams they are evaluating.

As far as the order teams are listed in standings, there is probably an algorithm being used such as sort first on conference record and  if tied a second criteria would be used. Often times that is alphabetical (Wh would come before WP or Wo) or it may have been overall winning percentage (Wheaton is .714 while WPI is .703).  Really what difference does it  make how the regular season standings are listed when ultimately Babson won the conference tournament and received the AQ to the NCAA's.

Enjoy the success of your team and lighten up on the bashing of other teams.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 04, 2009, 05:37:25 pm
RBGosfan:

As I do: "calm down" , "lighten up" and "enjoy my own team's success", per your suggestions...   please note I am not "bashing", nor meaning to bash---any other teams, by any means.  If you go back further in general new eng discussions, from a few days ago---vs only responding to the last post or 2 from today, you'll, hopefully see I'm well aware of Wheaton's success over the past 3 years, as I've seen them play 9 times in person.... and you'll also see I stated a few different times how they are very talented every year.    It's the ranking system, and/or those whom do the rankings (yes, the 25 coaches) which I have been questioning----NOT THE actual players themselves.    I think I can voice my opinions/concerns etc about how teams are ranked, or why they may be left unranked?   I appreciate the algorithm explanation you gave, re: why standings may have been listed incorrectly for awhile...whether that's correct or not--it is believable.  As you said---who cares about reg season now anyway. 
Someone else had emailed me those *(corrected) standings, as they saw them listed today----but, I had moved on from that question a long time ago...fyi. 
Please know---my feelings expressed on the BB, have been formed over 4 years of observing this conference play....
We all have our own team(s) we follow and which we back, passionately.
 I've commented favorably about several GOOD New Eng teams, other than the one I root for...over the past 3 days on the BB...
LAST YEAR the tourney committee "screwed up", in their own words, (after the fact..)..by having remaining teams on sat/Sunday play the semifinal and final rounds of last yr's NEWMAC TOURNEY at Wheaton's home field....when it should've been at Babson!   Wheaton has been tough enough for all others to beat--without the conference giving them an added advantage---"by mistake".   Of course---all teams,fans, etc were already there---when everyone learned they had gaffed things, so, they just played it there anyway?     So---please understand some of the "other" NEWMAC teams' and fans' viewpoints may be a little tainted over the past few years?   Of course---many are jealous of a top program like Wheaton----rightfully so--as it's a great role model for the conference.     Again---it's just the treatment they are sometimes given by others which can be annoying at times.  That simple.   Their players and the school program are excellent.....no-one should dispute that.    No-one is disputing that.     Thanks again for your info.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: rbgosfan on May 04, 2009, 06:53:45 pm
moc323,
Fair enough, I reviewed your posts and agree that you were complaining more about the rankings, than the teams and as I said, in many cases I agree with you that rankings are too arbitrary but it is that way in most sports where there are polls.

It is now time to wait for the dust to settle in the final conference tournaments, see what the powers to be decide on Sunday night and then sit back and enjoy the regionals. I have a strong feeling that the national champ will be coming from NE for the second straight year (if not directly from the NE regional, then the team that gets shipped out).
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 04, 2009, 08:21:13 pm
moc323,

If it makes you feel any better I posted a Wheaton-whine  back on May 25th, 2007 about their over-ranking (see below). If fact there are a whole series of comments about Wheaton being over-rated. To which the Wheaton coach told me via a posting to chill-out.

The highlight of all this was KSCer calling spring07 (the Wheaton coach) "Wheaton-Boy"

So moc323, I'm wiff ya. 

Word

May 25th, 2007

Please, will someone help explain these rankings to me? How does Keene State College end up 4th in New England, and unbelievably 29th in the USA while Wheaton claims 2nd and Oh My GOD 11th in the Nation.??!!?? 

HELP

New England
1. Eastern Connecticut State (38-10)
2. Wheaton (34-13)
3. Trinity (30-8)
4. Keene State (32-15)
5. Williams (27-10)
6. Tufts (25-12)
7. Western New England (28-12)
8. Southern Maine (27-15)

Rank School Record Points Last Rank
1. ( Chapman (Calif.) 40-6 240 2
2. Cortland (N.Y.) State 40-5 224 3
3. Emory (Ga.) 39-8 220 4
4. Kean (N.J.) 39-8 218 5
5. Eastern Connecticut State 38-10 206 11
6. Wis.-Stevens Point 32-15 196 25
7. Marietta (Ohio) 32-15 194 18
8. Carthage (Wis.) 36-11 193 nr
9. Pacific Lutheran (Wash.) 35-9 163 15
10. Wooster (Ohio) 42-7 162 1
11. Wheaton (Mass.) 34-13 158 6
12. Johns Hopkins (Md.) 38-11 156 13
13. Wis.-Oshkosh 35-12 155 8
14. New Jersey 34-11 122 7
15. Texas Lutheran 37-10-1 119 9
16. Luther (Iowa) 31-11 111 nr
17. St. Thomas (Minn.) 30-11 97 14
18. Ferrum (Va.) 27-18 92 nr
19. Trinity (Conn.) 30-8 90 rv
20. Otterbein (Ohio) 32-13 86 rv
21. Ithaca (N.Y.) 27-15 75 rv
22. Augustana (Ill.) 35-14 70 rv
23t. Texas-Dallas 34-13 54 28
23t. York (Pa.) 32-14 54 nr
25. Salisbury (Md.) 33-9 41 10
26. Illinois Wesleyan 32-13 34 12
27. Gwynedd-Mercy (Pa.) 32-12 32 23
28. St. Olaf (Minn.) 32-10 31 27
29. Keene (N.H.) State 32-15 30 nr
30t. Millsaps (Miss.) 35-11 27 16
30t. Ohio Wesleyan 30-18 27 nr


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Quote from: spring07 on May 26, 2007, 08:21:47 am
Chill out wordsmith,

KSC beat WC twice in the regionals, had a great year and look like they will continue gaining momentum as they had a lot of good young players. Enjoy your summer.


the thing is Wheatonboy, Wheaton does not deserve to be ranked above KSC and any one who saw all three games knows that.

KSCer
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 04, 2009, 09:52:18 pm
wordsmith-----this is awesome---thanks for the 2007 info etc...   I'm new to D3 BB stuff---but, not new to baseball. (35 years involvement between playing through college/then coaching youth leagues etc)   I thought I was seeing things, with some of these people trying to defend the ONGOING '09 rankings/ and dismissing some obvious bias in the rankings which I've been questioning....

You made my day, with this 2007 info!     glad a few of you guys are "wiff me" on this....    all we're asking is for the committee/25 coaches to take their blinders off, before it's too late---and before another "deserving" team is snubbed, for the "special" perennial invitees...     they know who they are....   ("W Boy and company:)))
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 04, 2009, 10:06:42 pm
moc323,
Fair enough, I reviewed your posts and agree that you were complaining more about the rankings, than the teams and as I said, in many cases I agree with you that rankings are too arbitrary but it is that way in most sports where there are polls.

It is now time to wait for the dust to settle in the final conference tournaments, see what the powers to be decide on Sunday night and then sit back and enjoy the regionals. I have a strong feeling that the national champ will be coming from NE for the second straight year (if not directly from the NE regional, then the team that gets shipped out).
 

RBGOSFAN---   Thanks---we're cool...

as you say----let's kick back and let the dust settle.  The committee will have some very tough decisions to make, this side of the Ohio River valley this year!!
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: GBear210 on May 05, 2009, 09:42:46 am
Latest NEIBA Poll (5/4/09)

Division III
1. Southern Maine (5) 34-5 40 pts.
2. Eastern Connecticut 31-6 33 pts.
3. Trinity 26-5 32 pts.
4. Suffolk 30-8 18 pts.
5. Wheaton 30-12 14 pts.
6. Curry 34-7 12 pts.
7. WPI 26-11 11 pts.
7. Western New England 29-15 11 pts.
Also receiving votes: Babson 3, Williams 3, Worcester State 3.

Looks like only winning percentage counts... not 'who has beaten who' when it matters most.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 05, 2009, 12:02:27 pm
Latest NEIBA Poll (5/4/09)

Division III
1. Southern Maine (5) 34-5 40 pts.
2. Eastern Connecticut 31-6 33 pts.
3. Trinity 26-5 32 pts.
4. Suffolk 30-8 18 pts.
5. Wheaton 30-12 14 pts.
6. Curry 34-7 12 pts.
7. WPI 26-11 11 pts.
7. Western New England 29-15 11 pts.
Also receiving votes: Babson 3, Williams 3, Worcester State 3.

Looks like only winning percentage counts... not 'who has beaten who' when it matters most.


Hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahaha :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

This is a joke right?


Word :D
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: YA, Boy on May 05, 2009, 12:12:40 pm
Since when do games other than the conf. tournaments at the end of a season matter more that games at the beginning of one...There was a point where WC was 24-3 against more than solid in region and out of region competition...stop whining about things that haven't even happend yet and let the bids come in as they do. We all understand that they dropped games in the newmac but who has curry played this season...?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 05, 2009, 12:35:46 pm
There was a point where WC was 24-3 against more than solid in region and out of region competition...stop whining about things that haven't even happend yet and let the bids come in as they do. We all understand that they dropped games in the newmac but who has curry played this season...?

......and a sterling 6-9 when things counted! :P :P

moc323 where you be???


This is the first NE Poll 2 weeks ago.....with records since

New England Region
1. Southern Maine 28-3 23-2                         (6-2) 8)
2. Trinity (Conn.) 21-3 21-1                            (10-3) 8)
3. Wheaton (Mass.) 25-7 22-6                       (5-5) ???
4. Eastern Connecticut 22-6 19-6                  (8-0) 8)
5. WPI 21-9 20-6                                           (5-2) 8)
6. Curry 28-4 24-3                                         (6-3) 8)
7. Suffolk 24-7 21-6                                       (6-1) ::)
8. Worcester State 23-10 23-7                      (6-5) :(
9. Western New England 23-12 20-11           (6--3) 8)
10. St. Joseph’s (Maine) 25-10 22-6               ??



Word :D
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: YA, Boy on May 05, 2009, 12:46:18 pm
Reguardless, thats why there's a full season not just two weeks at the end of april. there is no doubt the bid war will be between curry and wheaton and it will be exciting come the 10th who gets it both deserving teams, no need to sit on here and bash either of them not to mention the battle they had where curry held wheaton down for nine scoreless...yet i still haven't heard a word about curry dropping their conference?????
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 05, 2009, 01:15:58 pm
Reguardless, thats why there's a full season not just two weeks at the end of april. there is no doubt the bid war will be between curry and wheaton and it will be exciting come the 10th who gets it both deserving teams, no need to sit on here and bash either of them not to mention the battle they had where curry held wheaton down for nine scoreless...yet i still haven't heard a word about curry dropping their conference?????

YA Boy,

If you have a chance you may want to look back at some earlier posts regarding Curry.

I personally think, WPI is being scorned. I have no connection with them at all, I just really like how they have beaten most all the big boys they have played including Wheaton twice, St. Joe's UMD, Trinity, Babson, Brandeis.
I just am looking for fairness. In the words of the immortal Al Sharpton ....NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE, NO JUSTICE NO PEACE....PREACH IT REV, PREACH IT 8)

Word :P
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on May 05, 2009, 03:05:26 pm
Word.....
You are right - you have to look at the body of work.... I have been saying all year, look at what WPI is doing. But then again - I am from RI and Conor Fahey is a RoadIslander. He is one of the top pitchers in the country and truly doesn't get the credit for turning that staff around.

It is crazy though ----- body of work - USM and Eastern ranked number 1 and 4 in the country. They split in their doubleheader in March and since then they are (USM) 21-3 and (ECSU) 15-5. Eastern has had 4 postponements - Trinity, Suffolk, Wesleyan, and Babson. I'm not sure how many ppd's the Huskies have had. But to tell you the truth.... I am kind of glad they they are not making them up, especially since they could see each of these teams at the (Super)Regional in Mansfield next week. It is truly a shame that these two teams plus Trinity each have a claim to a potential number 1 ranking and a better path through to Appleton in a NY or Mid Atlantic Regional. Whoever comes out of the the NE regional with be battle tested and possibly worn out because it is an 8 team format vs. a six team format.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: GBear210 on May 05, 2009, 03:33:56 pm
Ya, Boy,

"Reguardless, thats why there's a full season not just two weeks at the end of april."

Your watching from the bleachers if you think the beginning of the year is just as important as the end of the year.  You might as well say "No tournaments just the regular season standings!" :o  The tourney winners develop their players during the regular season, so they can win the tourney (i.e., more regular season losses). ;)
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 05, 2009, 03:57:36 pm
Word.....
You are right - you have to look at the body of work.... I have been saying all year, look at what WPI is doing. But then again - I am from RI and Conor Fahey is a RoadIslander. He is one of the top pitchers in the country and truly doesn't get the credit for turning that staff around.

It is crazy though ----- body of work - USM and Eastern ranked number 1 and 4 in the country. They split in their doubleheader in March and since then they are (USM) 21-3 and (ECSU) 15-5. Eastern has had 4 postponements - Trinity, Suffolk, Wesleyan, and Babson. I'm not sure how many ppd's the Huskies have had. But to tell you the truth.... I am kind of glad they they are not making them up, especially since they could see each of these teams at the (Super)Regional in Mansfield next week. It is truly a shame that these two teams plus Trinity each have a claim to a potential number 1 ranking and a better path through to Appleton in a NY or Mid Atlantic Regional. Whoever comes out of the the NE regional with be battle tested and possibly worn out because it is an 8 team format vs. a six team format.


USM had 3 games rained out in that same time span...
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 05, 2009, 05:05:02 pm
Hey, word, national rankings are in and Curry is well ahead of Wheaton....rightfully so (and finally?)   Does Wheaton really have the wworst record of all top 10 new England teams, in last 10 games?   I believe it--just hadn't seen those stats in print, so, thanks for digging them up.  Wonder if the selection committee has them?  We'll see, Sunday, I guess....   I had also noted Wheaton's outstanding record, back when they were 24-3, in a prior post....although much of that was Arizona, followed by the bottom teams in NEWMAC, to start their conference schedule.  As everyone knows, they didn't play Babson, nor W.P.I. until the final week and went 1-3, "when it counted most" as others have stated already.   W.P.I. won the NEWMAC reg season and swept WC at the end....so, I agree they would be one of the ones with a biggest, WTF, if WC gets the nod over them?    All any of us are looking for, is "fairness" across the board---including teams which have previously "earned" their way to NCAA's in past years---but, whom may have played themselves out of NCAA's this season.   When they select teams for March Madness/NCAA hoops.....the final 10 games played by all teams are much more important than the 1st 10 played (in Arizona??) ....unless you're "watching from the bleachers" (this comment posted earlier was right on target) and unless you're wearing a "YA BOY/WC" HAT......?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on May 05, 2009, 05:18:37 pm
I might be in the minority here but I think a game is a game is a game (assuming the competition is equal).  Other than conference tournament games (that result in an AQ) I think that a win on March 3rd should count the same as a win on April 3rd and count the same as a win on May 3rd.



Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 05, 2009, 05:24:46 pm
I ALSO HAVE NO TIES TO WPI,......NOR TO CURRY....but, believe based on all stats from the last few weeks, for all of these teams, provided in posts over the past few days....it seems both Curry and WPI,  should get the nod over WC...  

In today's national poll released, Curry is # 16, Wheaton # 22 fyi...    Of course, that's just a poll, determined by 25 coaches, is it?   Are the coaches names/teams listed anywhere, publically for viewing?    just curious.  I assume that's 25 different conferences represented----out of how many total conferences in D3 overall?  
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 05, 2009, 05:31:23 pm
Hey, Paul....I normally agree with that, "game is a game...win is a win" approach, so, not sure you're really in the minority there...as I believe that approach gets all the teams with similar "overall" records, and/or with similar regional records, on the table with all others for more detailed comparisons.   I just think--as far as "bubble teams" are concerned, the last 10 games can be (should be?) just one more way to differentiate between the final few teams being considered in any given region---and eventually when comparing teams from 3,000 miles apart for a final invite or 2.   All else being fairl equal----you gotta take a team that's 8-2 in last 10 vs a 5-5 team, assuming competition is similar?   That's just my thought process--if no other factors allow separating....
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: rbgosfan on May 05, 2009, 07:11:32 pm
The "a game is a game" theory no matter when it occurred is 100% accurate when everything boils down to winning percentage being the deciding factor like all professional sports where you have to win your division or have the next best record to make a wild card.

However once any subjectivity is put into it and a committe is deciding who plays in the playoffs then I can no longer agree with "a game is a game". Almost  no one likes the BCS for D1 football but you can not tell me a loss in your first game of the season is as  harmful as a loss in your last game. The games played during crunch time and closest to the decision point definitely influence selection committees more and I think they should.

If you are selecting an at large team, it should be someone who has played well for the entire year but is also playing at a high level at the end of the season. Had Wheaton won the regular season and then lost in the tournament, I would have thought they fully deserved a bid, but a 5-5 record to close the season with losses to many of the teams battling them for the Pool C bid, I do not  think they should get in ahead of WPI.

 I also do not think Curry's overall body of work makes them deserving of a Pool C bid. They had a great record but did not play many of the top teams in the region. Their biggest win of the season was over Wheaton, but that came when Wheaton was in their downward spiral at the end of the season.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 05, 2009, 07:20:00 pm
I might be in the minority here but I think a game is a game is a game (assuming the competition is equal).  Other than conference tournament games (that result in an AQ) I think that a win on March 3rd should count the same as a win on April 3rd and count the same as a win on May 3rd.

Paul,

I agree in theory, however, when we put that into practice, I'm not sure human nature allows it to fully apply. Look at the BCS in college football. A team is 11-0 and loses a game in the last week of the regular season. That team will most surely get passed by most all other 1 loss teams, even teams they defeated earlier in the year.

So, the question in my mind becomes, should the polls reflect the teams that are playing the best ballor should they reflect the best teams. 'Cause we all know the best team does not always win.

Word




Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 07:22:02 pm
Maybe their schedule wasnt as difficult as Wheaton's, but that is why they need to have a better record....oh wait, Curry does...a lot better record.

I don't care you who play, how does 34-7 not get you in?? You can't always control who you play at this level...a lot is decided by your conference.

The fact is Curry deserves to be in. If 34-7 doesnt get you in, I don't know what does. If the committeee is going to take a 16-17 loss team from the NJAC, it makes no sense to leave Curry home. Although strength of schedule counts for something, so does WINNING....lets not forget they BEAT wheaton head to head

Curry has a better record and won head to head
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on May 05, 2009, 07:37:34 pm
A win is a win should be the case but we all know that teams that make runs at the end of the year look better than early season runs, look at RIC in the LEC.  I would like to see Curry in, and i think that they deserve to be in, however they had thier chance to win thier conference and screwy things happen when you leave your fate in the hands of other people.  WIn the AQ and its a mute point, Curry now has to worry because they didnt get the job done!! Im not hating on Curry or Wheaton for that matter, just if both teams had taken care of business they wouldnt have to worry.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 05, 2009, 07:44:04 pm
D3Baseballnut----well said....end of discussion...(ok, I doubt that, but:)))  34-7 along with a solid regional record....should be a no-brainer. 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Paul Heering on May 05, 2009, 08:19:11 pm
To clarify my earlier comment. 

I meant the time on the calendar that the win took place should not effect how important the win is/was. 

Of course in any level of college when you get to playoff bids, the level of the competition does matter that said wins came against matters.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: GBear210 on May 05, 2009, 08:34:49 pm
WPI- in
Curry -out
Wheaton - out

Common guys, there has to be another pool team with a better story than Curry & Wheaton!
I think there's too much New England tunnel vision going on here.

Others? ???
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: GBear210 on May 05, 2009, 08:40:36 pm
How about the team Johns Hopkins slid by due to rain today?
Talk about back-dooring into the tourney...
Wheaton & Curry are doing the rain dance!!! :D
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 08:40:50 pm
WPI- in
Curry -out
Wheaton - out

Common guys, there has to be another pool team with a better story than Curry & Wheaton!
I think there's too much New England tunnel vision going on here.

Others? ???

I don't think 34-7 is tunnel vision....its the 5th best winning percentage in d3 baseball
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 08:46:30 pm
How about the team Johns Hopkins slid by due to rain today?
Talk about back-dooring into the tourney...
Wheaton & Curry are doing the rain dance!!! :D


Dude...ppl are hating on Hopkins...they were the team that had to be beat twice...that was not exactly likely to happen. Plus, that rule almost turned out to hurt them as well. They didnt finagle their way in.....they didnt make the rule.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: GBear210 on May 05, 2009, 08:50:44 pm
d3baseballnut,

Need a little cheese with that Wheaton wine?

Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 05, 2009, 08:52:40 pm
WPI- in
Curry -out
Wheaton - out

Common guys, there has to be another pool team with a better story than Curry & Wheaton!
I think there's too much New England tunnel vision going on here.

Others? ???

Tunnel vision? The New England region is the deepest region in the nation, hands down. No shot NE is awarded just one at-large bid.

And honestly, Curry has a much better argument over WPI. I don't care that they beat Wheaton 2x and Trinity, they won 8 less  games than Curry.

Curry - In
WPI/Wheaton - One in, one out
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 08:58:18 pm
d3baseballnut,

Need a little cheese with that Wheaton wine?



whatever...you guys have no shot against Southern Maine and ECSU :P
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: GBear210 on May 05, 2009, 08:58:34 pm
The GNAC,

WNEC pounded Curry 2 out of 3 games and should have had the other xtra inning game.  We're talking about "no respect" WNEC!

Curry - out
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: GBear210 on May 05, 2009, 09:01:02 pm
d2baseball nut,

Did WNEC and ECSU play this year?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2009, 09:04:17 pm
d2baseball nut,

Did WNEC and ECSU play this year?

Welcome...

click here.

http://www.d3baseball.com/

On the left side rail, at the top, click over New England Region.

Find ECSU and click.

Then click on the ECSU "Official Web Site".

You will find the schedule on the school's web site.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 05, 2009, 09:05:10 pm
The GNAC,

WNEC pounded Curry 2 out of 3 games and should have had the other xtra inning game.  We're talking about "no respect" WNEC!

Curry - out

I understand you're a proud parent of a WNEC player (hint: try hiding your e-mail address in your profile if you'd like true anonymity), but in my opinion that clouds your judgment a bit. I'm an impartial viewer, and the fact remains that Curry's body of work trumps 2 losses to WNEC, a very good team in it's own right. As D3Nut said, Curry's winning percentage is 5th in the nation... 5th! You simply cannot leave them out of the regionals, especially in favor of a less deserving team in Wheaton or WPI.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 09:11:39 pm
d2baseball nut,

Did WNEC and ECSU play this year?

prove it to me in the tournament.....you plow through everyone there...then ill listen.

Having played in several regionals, that is where the big teams come to play
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: rbgosfan on May 05, 2009, 09:16:51 pm
d3baseballnut,
Yes WNEC did play AT ECSU this year, at a time when ECSU  was ranked number 1. The result was:

WNEC 14 ECSU 3.

 fact on another thread DGilblair mentioned  to wordsmith that he was rooting for Curry in TCCC tournament because he did NOT want to see WNEC at Mansfield again this year.

I understand Curry's winning percentage is strong and they do have a good case but in my opinion it was aided by weaker competition than some others played and again in my opinion I think that WPI should get the bid before Curry. A second at large from NE should be given to ESCU or USM, whoever ends up losing in the LEC tournament.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3baseballnut on May 05, 2009, 09:20:14 pm
Well according to the committee and Ralph Turner, the picks are done nationally, even though they are done by comparing regional records.

As stupid as that is, thats true.

Therefore, you pick 13 pool C teams that you think deserve to get in over Curry, and I guarantee you for the last 4 or 5, you will be having to purposefully overlook Curry to justify the other's teams' inclusion.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: rbgosfan on May 05, 2009, 09:21:04 pm
d3baseballnut,
Check your facts, WNEC is in the regionals for the 4th consecutive year and five out of the last six and while not having won the regional yet, have finished as high as 3rd in 2006. Whether they plow through this year or not, they have shown that they deserve to play with the best in not only NE, but the best in the country.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: GBear210 on May 05, 2009, 09:22:09 pm
d3baseballnut,
I agree,  The TCCC tourney is nothing compared to the New England Regional tourney.
34-7 didn't get it done in TCCC and WNEC is now in their 4th straight regional.
Curry - out
Wheaton - out
WPI - in
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3spectator on May 05, 2009, 10:12:17 pm
I may have overlooked WPI a bit here with their in-region record.  I just took a quick glance at their schedule and what not and noticed that WPI couldn't run this kid Fahey more into the ground if they dug a hole and stuck him in there and told him himself to start digging.  Does anybody else see this?  The kid has thrown 80.2 innings with the next CLOSEST being 48.2!!!  That is absolutely absurd and still to put up the numbers he has this season, hats off.  However how much depth does WPI have in the pitching?  I looked at the box scores of a couple of in-region games they had and Fahey had thrown against St. Joes, Babson (double header), and Wheaton (double header).  He also came in, after starting a game 2 days BEFORE, against Trinity (Conn.) and shut them down as he threw 2.2 innings giving up no runs and 1 hit.  That game ended up 9-7, without this kid, I don't see WPI pulling that one out, but nobody can tell.   

What I'm getting at here is once WPI gets beyond Fahey, who seems to be their ace starter and closer as he leads the team with 3 saves along with 7 wins, they don't have much depth.  I looked at their offense and they have one guy batting over .350, Wheaton has 4, Southern Maine has 7, EConn has 7, just to name a few.  I don’t know if the committee looks at how far a team can go in the tourney or not, but I guess it can be a consideration of the human element, again.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: rbgosfan on May 05, 2009, 10:21:19 pm
Trying to keep an open mind, I looked more into Curry's 34 and 7 record and found that once they returned home from Florida, they played only 1 non conference game on the road. That game was against RIC and they lost. All other non conference games were at their home field. If I remember the handbook correctly home wins do not carry as much weight as road wins which is another fact working against Curry.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 05, 2009, 10:40:19 pm
d3spectator:

Very nice research on WPI's pitching...and I agree they are a tough call for tourney committee...   guess they'd need to throw their ace in 1st game of Regionals.., then pray for 4 days of rain?? so he could start their 2nd game also, on 4 days rest!?

Although Wheaton has 4 guys at .350 or higher, as you said... they are 3-5 in their last 8 games and have been outscored 69-45 during that stretch.    Their pitching has about the same winning %  (.375) as their top 4 batters' avg lately, so....not sure I'd give them the nod to go too far in Regionals either, if that's something to be considered as you suggest?    2 of those losses were to ECSU (11-0) and to UMass- Dartmouth 12-9 (a 14-28 team approx?) so.....  lots of tough calls this year, as far as at large bids go in New Eng.     just how many will be doled out?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2009, 10:56:11 pm
Trying to keep an open mind, I looked more into Curry's 34 and 7 record and found that once they returned home from Florida, they played only 1 non conference game on the road. That game was against RIC and they lost. All other non conference games were at their home field. If I remember the handbook correctly home wins do not carry as much weight as road wins which is another fact working against Curry.
No, the OOWP/OWP changed that.  :)


Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3spectator on May 05, 2009, 11:48:08 pm
I’m still torn by this whole Wheaton/Curry/WPI thing.  I did some more research and looked at non-conference in-region games only and this is what I came up with.

Curry played: Bowdoin (2), Johnson and Wales, Babson, Wheaton, RIC, and Bridgewater
- They played 7 games and went 5-2 in those games

WPI played: St. Joes (2), Fitchburg State (3), Umass Dartmouth (2), Johnson and Wales, Becker, Worcester State, Nichols, Trinity, Westfield State, Brandeis, Elms, and Framingham State (2)
- They played 17 games and went 15-2 in those games

Wheaton played: WNEC (2), Roger Williams (2), Rhode Island College (2), Umass-Dartmouth (2), Endicott, Brandeis (2), Suffolk, USM, Bridgewater, Curry, Keene State, and ECSU.
- They played 17 games and went 12-5 in those games.

I also looked at the teams they played and compiled then added wins and losses and this is what it looks like:

Curry’s opponents were overall 142-97

WPI’s opponents were overall 238-215

Wheaton’s opponents were overall 299-177 (this is without ECSU, Keene, or USM finishing the LEC)

- Did Curry’s coach just forget to schedule ANY out of conference games at some point? Does this show any justice to how strength of schedule can influence the committee?  Just a little more breakdown before Sunday comes along. Just something I thought would pass the time until Sunday. Thoughts? Thanks guys.

Spec
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3ball123 on May 06, 2009, 12:04:25 am
Spec-

Check out the definition of an "in region" game.  Wheaton beat TCNJ twice, and Hopkins/william patterson once each.  Those are in region wins as well.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 06, 2009, 12:05:49 am
D3SPEC--

Great stats you worked up, thank you.....

that sos probably helps explain why Wheaton's team ERA is # 73 nationally, at 4.77.....while WPI's is # 23 at 3.90    

I didn't bother checking Curry's team e.r.a.....since their non conference, in region schedule only included 7 games...vs 17 for both WPI and for Wheaton.  
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3spectator on May 06, 2009, 12:21:14 am
D3ball,

What I did was click on New England region here on this site in the upper left hand corner, so that it lists all the teams in the New England field and those are the teams I saw.  If I'm not mistaken Hopkins is in the Mid-Atlantic region, but if those three teams are considered in the New England region then all the more power to Wheaton scheduling 21 games and going 16-5 in those games. Thanks.

Spec
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2009, 12:23:53 am
D3ball,

What I did was click on New England region here on this site in the upper left hand corner, so that it lists all the teams in the New England field and those are the teams I saw.  If I'm not mistaken Hopkins is in the Mid-Atlantic region, but if those three teams are considered in the New England region then all the more power to Wheaton scheduling 21 games and going 16-5 in those games. Thanks.

Spec


The link to the Handbook is on this page.   :)

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6387.0

Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3spectator on May 06, 2009, 12:36:07 am
D3ball,

You are right, I was going by the wrong thing apparently, or maybe I'm just getting confused (new to D3, sorry).  TCNJ, Hopkins, and William Patterson do count as in-region wins.  Revisions to my previous post look like this now:

Wheaton plays 21 games going 16-5 while opponents win/loss record is now 370-223

Sorry about that, guess that's not very good research on my part  >:(

Spec
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 06, 2009, 02:05:48 am
D3ball,

You are right, I was going by the wrong thing apparently, or maybe I'm just getting confused (new to D3, sorry).  TCNJ, Hopkins, and William Patterson do count as in-region wins.  Revisions to my previous post look like this now:

Wheaton plays 21 games going 16-5 while opponents win/loss record is now 370-223

Sorry about that, guess that's not very good research on my part  >:(

Spec
No problem...

we have several more fans providing research this season.

We don't have the databases that Pat has for football and hoops,  (and the untimely death of Patrick Abegg was a huge loss!!!!!!)  so we need to build them.

Just do you research, throw it out for other fans to proofread and double-check and move onto the next item of interest.   :)

You have a great group of D3 fans on these boards, and it is getting better every year!
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3ball123 on May 06, 2009, 09:41:56 am
Moc-

If you check out "nebaseball44"'s e-mail address, it becomes very clear which program he is involved with, and in what capacity he is involved.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3ball123 on May 06, 2009, 09:43:12 am
...Which makes one wonder if he is in a position to be publicly questioning that certain team's flaws in this forum.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: KSCfan on May 06, 2009, 09:49:09 am
Guys if Babson does have 4 quality starters, and i have not seen Babson play this year at all so i will take your word that they are 4 quality starters its not that big deal if they dont have a 5th.  In the regionals you can win the darn with 4 quality starters as long as you stay in the winners bracket, but that is true of any team.  Yeah you may need to piece together a game with a couple from this guy and a couple from that but so wont every other team. The regionals are some great baseball and I expect all teams will have an all hands on deck approach to their games, so if you have 4 starters that are as good as advertised (a la Trinity last year) you should be fine.  LIke i have said i have not seen Babson play but will Babsons 3 and 4 starters be able to stop the powerful offenses of the LEC and Trinity?  I dont know i am just asking that question.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 06, 2009, 09:55:45 am
Hey, D3BALL123....Thanks--I will do that...immediately!   I guess I had trusted everyone to be contributing from somewhat similar levels in here. ---as fans only---except moderators, etc whom show whom they are and act accordingly from what I've seen...   I hope this isn't going to be disappointing to me, from that standpoint--when I do check his email, as you say.    I am new in here as you know---and try to share what "limited" info I have as a "true fan"-----not in here to take a stand for a school for which I'm employed, etc of part of a paid staff, etc.   I hope that's not what you're hinting at??---but--I appreciate the "heads up" in any event-- and will now check the email, as you suggest.   This would be beyond disappointing, if I'm reading into your message correctly.   wow.  
Thanks, in advance, for watching my back---and/or for watching everyone else at our levels backs?      I had assumed it was just another dad/uncle, etc of a conference foe whom was witnessing games from the opposite side of the "bleachers" as I was on....    sounds like that's not the case?   will be back here soon...    again--thank you.  
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 06, 2009, 10:36:15 am
Hey, KCSFAN---Good to see you back in general new eng topic!   Great question, will their 4 starters be able to stop all the potent offenses in this area?     In short---no way.   Can they "limit" those offenses, to some degree---"maybe--- yes"?    Di I sound confident?  ??? :))   Your point about a team w/4 quality starters, is exactly where i was coming from.   That gives them "a shot" at doing well.....   and bingo---as you say---they would need to find that "winners' bracket" early---and often, like all others.   Piecing together other pitching, will be possible---but---they really need to win the early games and hope to avoid back-to-back games vs the best hitting teams early in the regionals.   Maybe stating some obvious here---but---I think a couple of those USM/ECSU/Trinity teams, could lose game 1--then roar back, mostly with their bats, to get to late rounds.   I would not feel great about Babson's chances, if they need to "roar back" with their bats....in the losers' bracket....  Good luck to Keene State---I lost track of where they stand in the raindrops now....    Not sure how their pitching is this year---but--I did notice them atop the batting avg in the U.S. !!!    Nice!!   That has to give you the, "we can win any game" feeling......as an 8 run inning can happen in a heartbeat!     
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 06, 2009, 10:49:07 am
Hey, KCSFAN---  Good luck to Keene State---I lost track of where they stand in the raindrops now....    Not sure how their pitching is this year---but--I did notice them atop the batting avg in the U.S. !!!    Nice!!   That has to give you the, "we can win any game" feeling......as an 8 run inning can happen in a heartbeat!     

I posted this back in early March...KSC is as good 1-7 or 8 as any one.

Word ;D

D3baseball.com / New England Region / Re: BB: LEC: Little East Conference  on: March 16, 2009, 12:49:35 pm 

363dp,
.....
As I have said here before, KSC is, IMO, one year away from a trip to the Appleton. The pitchers are strong, but young and will have their ups and downs. The line-up 1-9 is not as strong as Wheaton or ESCU, but 1-7, even 1-8 is every bit as strong or better. KSC as well has players on the bench who would start for many other teams.

1- Jeff Perkins -Senior(I agree with the DChevy-most underrated player in the LEC) Last yr- .391- 26 RBI 13 SB 50R
2- Jamie Chevalier -Senior - Great stick could hit anywahere in the line-up    .355 -2 -34
3- Keith Patnode - Junior D-I transfer 2nd best left handed hitter to come out of Keene in 35 years
4-Anthony Cipolla - Soph - Short compact tough out with decent power         .318 - 30 RBI
5-Bobby Doyon - Soph - 2008- ECAC POY; LEC Rookie of the Year               .408 - 6- 55
6- Cody Callhan - Freshman - Bam Bam I'll call him for now .647 11-17 2 HRs, 5 Dbls, 14 RBI in first 4 games
7- Beau Derek - Senior - A perfect 10 Last year .296 13 hrs 50 RBI
8 -Jon Barber - Soph - Excellent hitter- Solid stick if ankle heals last Yr - .439- 1- 13

....
Pretty good line-up mates..... Interesting mix with the Freshmen pitching, will the bats give the young arms time to mature? Will the defense hold-up, especially at the corners in the outfield, and 3rd base?

Word
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 06, 2009, 10:58:02 am
Thanks word-----a man not afraid to go out on a limb....gotta love that stuff!   Love the stats again---and, may have to give you a (10) "Beau Derek" on your prediction from early March.......    it's almost time to "play ball"....as we are inside 1 week now, from the 1st pitch in our regionals....
Oh---thanks for sending YA BOY my way yesterday---so, we could GIVE HIM A LIL "no boy" adjustment....:))
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3spectator on May 06, 2009, 11:03:16 am
Moc,

As you can see from other posts I have put up on here I'm kind of a stat junky, but also realize that stats mean nothing in a sense that baseball is a funny game.  Things kind of fall the way they may on any given day.  But I also realize stats don't lie either so this is what I dug up and put together (relatively quickly).

Babson certainly did not duck any in-region opponents playing the likes of Wheaton, Suffolk, Keene, Curry, and USM which is in my opinion a testament to the coaching staff challenging his players.  I'm looking at the box scores of those games and seeing that when Babson played Suffolk, Suffolk threw what looks to be their #3 guy.  When Babson played Curry, Curry threw not a legit starter seems to be a spot starter as he has 3 of starts in 11 appearances.  Babson plays USM, USM throws what seems to be a spot starter (seems like all of USM is spot starters) but he has an ERA of 6.87 (Yates).

What I'm trying to put forth here is yes they did not duck any opponents this year on their schedule, but of those tough opponents the only wins they had were against Wheaton.  And of those losses the teams that played seemed to be throwing their 3 or 4 guys and not 1 or 2s.  They did face Fahey who is a legitimate All-American candidate (lost) and they did beat Gingras (All-American from his junior campaign, doesn't seem to be having quite the same year. Hurt? ???) but other than that no real pitching seen.  So it would seem that their offense didn't fear well   against 3 and 4's how are they going to do when they see 1's and 2's?

As a team they bat .309, which is less than average, especially when you compare the teams that are going to be in this upcoming regional.

You guys do have Aizenstadt who seems to be putting himself together quite a year, but does he match up against Bayer, Therian, Gilblair, Musson, etc...?  And if they do match up (which is not unforseen), can Babson's offense hang with the 1s and 2s of that of ECSU and Trinity?

This is not a knock on Babson at all and I am a firm believer in that baseball is baseball and anything can happen.  Maybe I'm just bored ::) Just wondering what your thoughts are? Have a good one.

Spec
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 06, 2009, 11:18:25 am
SPEC------Nice job, once again......w/stats.   No arguments here either.   Thus, my "Cinderella" approach, as a Babson fan.    Aizenstadt does match up with any/all of those you name....trust me there.  I have witnessed Fahey, Gingras, Simmons (Wheaton closer---all American, I believe?) and 2 outstanding freshmen s.p. for M.I.T. also...each may have been 5-0, 5-1 approx last check...(didn't go back to get their names, sorry)    Aizenstadt takes a back seat to none of the above.  IMO .......     Who won the World Series last year?   the top batting team?  nope.  top pitching team?  nope.....     Phillies?   yup.     As the Beatles once sang...."Come together, right now"....     Ok---a whole different meaning !!!!   But----I say, beware the hot team whom plays well together in May.....in a 4-5 game tourney?    Maybe not Babson this year---agree---but---YO, Adrian.........was it last year they lost in National finals?   I gotta go check....   memory fails me sometimes, as I hurdle that 5-0 marker:(((
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 06, 2009, 11:19:40 am
Babson certainly did not duck any in-region opponents playing the likes of Wheaton, Suffolk, Keene, Curry, and USM which is in my opinion a testament to the coaching staff challenging his players.  I'm looking at the box scores of those games and seeing that when Babson played Suffolk, Suffolk threw what looks to be their #3 guy.  When Babson played Curry, Curry threw not a legit starter seems to be a spot starter as he has 3 of starts in 11 appearances.  Babson plays USM, USM throws what seems to be a spot starter (seems like all of USM is spot starters) but he has an ERA of 6.87 (Yates).


Hi Spec,

As most can see from my username, I'm quite familiar with GNAC teams, Suffolk and St. Joe's, in particular. Just wanted to correct you a bit on the Suffolk - Babson game. The pitcher for Suffolk in that one, Jackson, is probably their #1, not their #3, although statistically you'd have a case for that I suppose. Still, he's leading the Rams in innings pitched and strikeouts, and has drawn (and beaten) Suffolk's top competition for the last 3 years.

Not sure if that hinders or supports your argument, just thought I'd put it out there for veracity.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 06, 2009, 11:26:42 am
GNAC--Thanks for beating me to that box score and to Suffolks roster, etc...  I want to say, that was a 2-1 Suffolk victory.....so, a well played/pitched game on both sides, maybe---if I recall the right game?   
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 06, 2009, 11:29:28 am
GNAC--Thanks for beating me to that box score and to Suffolks roster, etc...  I want to say, that was a 2-1 Suffolk victory.....so, a well played/pitched game on both sides, maybe---if I recall the right game?   

That's the one.

http://babsonathletics.com/sports/m-basebl/2008-09/news/090324

Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3spectator on May 06, 2009, 11:52:55 am
GNAC,

Thanks for that, I was going off of ERA and and record which is naive of me.  Thanks for the correction as I haven't seen Suffolk play (or Babson) for that matter.  Just going off of stats here.

And I was trying to make a case against or for Babson I was trying to show that its going to be a tough road for them with the teams in this year's regional.  But then again I think it's going to be tough for everybody. Baseball is baseball, can't run out the clock here, got to throw the ball over the plate, anything can happen 8)

Spec
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3spectator on May 06, 2009, 11:54:18 am
Sorry WASN'T trying to make case against or for Babson.

Spec
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on May 06, 2009, 12:08:16 pm
GNAC,

Thanks for that, I was going off of ERA and and record which is naive of me.  Thanks for the correction as I haven't seen Suffolk play (or Babson) for that matter.  Just going off of stats here.

And I was trying to make a case against or for Babson I was trying to show that its going to be a tough road for them with the teams in this year's regional.  But then again I think it's going to be tough for everybody. Baseball is baseball, can't run out the clock here, got to throw the ball over the plate, anything can happen 8)

Spec

Spec,

Always liked Babson, year in and year out always in the running.  PLUS an outstanding Baseball facility!!!!!  One of the nicest in the NE.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: d3spectator on May 06, 2009, 01:16:23 pm
Just came across an interesting stat.

Southern Maine is 29-2 vs. right handed pitching and 5-3 vs lefties!

Just a little stat for teams and coaches to look at before trying to get on through their lineup during regionals  ;)

Spec
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: PopFisher on May 06, 2009, 03:27:27 pm
MOC 323, GBEAR210, D3spectator, rbgosfan, others...
     Just to weigh in on the Wheaton/Curry/WPI at-large bid matter, I feel, although I have the greatest respect for the Wheaton coach, players, program, tradition, history thing, I do feel that they have under-achieved. I feel that Curry deserves consideration for the 34 wins, albeit weaker schedule than either Wheaton or WPI. In my opinion, WPI has over-achieved, by winning signature games in and out of conference, albeit stubbing their toe in the NEWMAC tourney. It's an incredible feat to catch or take out Wheaton in any given year in the NEWMAC given the rich history of their accomplishments, especially considering the whole recruitment issue, although I know this has nothing to do w/at-large bids, rankings, etc.. It's just a factor for discussion sake when considering the WPI over-achievement given the tougher it is to recruit at that school. Great analysis of WPI stats regarding pitching and offense! which might play into decision if actual discussion is ever made (a point which you called the "human element"). Although you mentioned the over-use of Fahey (# of IP, starter, closer, etc.) which is hard to argue with, they did win 26 games. While you might say that there is no pitching depth, I did check to see that they had a very good #2 (Minor)& #3 (Murphy), I think in that order, that went 5, 6, or 7 wins w/ 2 losses apiece w/respectable ERAs. However, they both had tough outings in the NEWMAC tourney it appears, which sent WPI out early. If either of them can return to seasonal form, their pitching depth returns at least through 3 games. Now Fahey might only have to wait for 1 day's rain! I just think to say they have ONLY Fahey is unfair to the fine seasons that other pitchers had. Also, the "only guy to hit over .350" was last year's NEWMAC "POY" McNee, who along w/Fahey made the 1st Team NEWMAC again this year. But to say that they have ONLY McNee offensively would be unfair also, as there are a number of hitters between .300 - .350 (6 I think from what I looked at), just like you can't say that WPI's rise to respectability is due to any one or two players. Sure, Fahey (ace) and McNee (cleanup) have helped put them on the radar screen over the last 4 years, but other players have had very solid years, or more (Galligan, Bean, McGregor, Moreau, Dignum, McClune, Watkins, Hansen, Walsh, whose stats look like they all contributed). Granted, compared to ECSU, USM, Trinity, and some others, WPI may be softer in pitching and offensive depth, but they have put together a year of over-achievement. They match up well w/ Babson, who they beat twice this year, in both categories, with all due respect to what Babson did in the tourney - great job. Where's Curry in all this - a team that won a ton of games, though not as tough a schedule on road in region. So I like WPI in w/Curry getting greater consideration than Wheaton who, despite past achievement, did not finish well. Another thing to consider is that at least WPI is going in to the ECAC to try and improve their resume, instead fo just sitting around and waiting for a phone call. We don't even know if the committee even considers any of this (your "human element" factor) but, as you have said in multiple posts, it's fun to jump in and give our "2 cents", for however limited our thoughts might be. In the end, a mathematical formula is probably the best way to decide to keep it as objective as possible. It's a formula that, although complicated, maybe the brainiac WPI kids are trying to figure out themselves right now. Whatever happens, let's sit back and enjoy a great regional, and congratulations to all teams being considered for a great season that has us talking about all the possibilities. All of your opinions and research have been great fun! Play Ball!
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 06, 2009, 03:56:56 pm
Just came across an interesting stat.

Southern Maine is 29-2 vs. right handed pitching and 5-3 vs lefties!

Just a little stat for teams and coaches to look at before trying to get on through their lineup during regionals  ;)

Spec


It's not the side the pitchers pitch from that give USM some troubles: it's a certain pitch...I think that all the teams in the LEC know this though...
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 06, 2009, 04:28:42 pm
This just in:   AS THEY SAY:)))

 RE: THE ONGOING WHEATON, WPI, CURRY comparisons---which as one astute reader HAS said, waaaaay back 24 hours ago maybe---THIS may not matter at all, depending on whether Trinity wins tourney and/or if any upsets happen...
BUT---FOR ANY WHOM CARE TO KNOW---I just quickly compiled this short comparison between MANY OF those teams discussed at length...recently in posts...   IT MEANS NOTHING on its own---just more stuff to digest.....for what it's worth here goes---

Nationally, as of all games through May 3rd: from NCAA stat site today--

Team ERA'S----   TOTAL OF 354 TEAMS RANKED

# 4  Trinity, Ct -   2.90 team E.R.A.
# 6  ECSU  ------  3.02 TEAM era
#27 WPI --------- 3.90 tEAM era
# 30 WNEC------- 4.08 ------------( A..Q.)
# 32 SUFFOLK --- 4.14
# 61 CURRY-------4.60
# 73 Wheaton--- 4.77     
# 78  USM-------- 4.79
#108 BABSON --- 5.25 ------------(A.Q.)
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: mainefan on May 06, 2009, 05:03:08 pm
d3spectator

It may seem like all of the pitcher's for USM are spot pitchers but they're not. In fact the Yates kid had worked his way into the starting rotation as a freshman. Going into the Babson game his ERA was just over 3.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 07, 2009, 09:22:00 pm
REGIONAL RANKINGS RELEASED TODAY----"3RD AND FINAL PUBLIC LISTING"  *(THO THERE WILL BE ONE MORE RANKING--"NOT MADE PUBLIC" THEY SAY)

One last note re: WPI, vs Curry, vs Wheaton possibilities for at large bid-----if Trinity wins their own tourney. 

As of today:

1) USM
2)ECSU
3)Trinity
4) CURRY 34-7 (30-6 REGION)
5) SUFFOLK
6) WPI (26-11, (25-8 REGION)
7) WHEATON (30-12, (27-10 REGION


Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: mans007 on May 08, 2009, 01:44:09 am
This just in:   AS THEY SAY:)))

 RE: THE ONGOING WHEATON, WPI, CURRY comparisons---which as one astute reader HAS said, waaaaay back 24 hours ago maybe---THIS may not matter at all, depending on whether Trinity wins tourney and/or if any upsets happen...
BUT---FOR ANY WHOM CARE TO KNOW---I just quickly compiled this short comparison between MANY OF those teams discussed at length...recently in posts...   IT MEANS NOTHING on its own---just more stuff to digest.....for what it's worth here goes---

Nationally, as of all games through May 3rd: from NCAA stat site today--

Team ERA'S----   TOTAL OF 354 TEAMS RANKED

# 4  Trinity, Ct -   2.90 team E.R.A.
# 6  ECSU  ------  3.02 TEAM era
#27 WPI --------- 3.90 tEAM era
# 30 WNEC------- 4.08 ------------( A..Q.)
# 32 SUFFOLK --- 4.14
# 61 CURRY-------4.60
# 73 Wheaton--- 4.77     
# 78  USM-------- 4.79
#108 BABSON --- 5.25 ------------(A.Q.)



These stats are a little sqewed because of all of those teams listed except for babson, trinity has played the weakest schedule. Trinity although they can't do anything about there conference schedule, has one of the weakest sos (strenght of schedules) in New England.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 08, 2009, 11:54:34 am
I hear ya, MANS007....no argument here, on that note----And, I am not "in the know" as far as each of these team's sos vs the others, overall.....    just tossing out info from NCAA site----everyone will digest and evaluate as you did, based on what other specific info we're privy to, and/or based on how closely we each follow the region, vs just following our own 1 team...    I do read what each fan says about others' sos, in general, and, although Trinity may have had almost as "weak" of an overall schedule last year----but, certainly gets some votes/props for mowing down the "stronger" teams, once regionals and NCAA finals confronted them, last year?   Their lack of sos last year (if it was similar to this year??) didn't stop them from showing their stuff, no matter whom they faced come tourney time?   I don't think Trinity should be ranked any lower than 3rd now in New Eng?    Of course, all of these posts are based on opinion and on how each fan interprets the stats made available to us all....so---again--no argument with what you're saying.   
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 09, 2009, 01:40:25 am
This just in:   AS THEY SAY:)))

 RE: THE ONGOING WHEATON, WPI, CURRY comparisons---which as one astute reader HAS said, waaaaay back 24 hours ago maybe---THIS may not matter at all, depending on whether Trinity wins tourney and/or if any upsets happen...
BUT---FOR ANY WHOM CARE TO KNOW---I just quickly compiled this short comparison between MANY OF those teams discussed at length...recently in posts...   IT MEANS NOTHING on its own---just more stuff to digest.....for what it's worth here goes---

Nationally, as of all games through May 3rd: from NCAA stat site today--

Team ERA'S----   TOTAL OF 354 TEAMS RANKED

# 4  Trinity, Ct -   2.90 team E.R.A.
# 6  ECSU  ------  3.02 TEAM era
#27 WPI --------- 3.90 tEAM era
# 30 WNEC------- 4.08 ------------( A..Q.)
# 32 SUFFOLK --- 4.14
# 61 CURRY-------4.60
# 73 Wheaton--- 4.77     
# 78  USM-------- 4.79
#108 BABSON --- 5.25 ------------(A.Q.)



These stats are a little sqewed because of all of those teams listed except for babson, trinity has played the weakest schedule. Trinity although they can't do anything about there conference schedule, has one of the weakest sos (strenght of schedules) in New England.


  MANS007-----After re-looking your comments above and checking rankings of opponents....I think you did overlook Babson's schedule a bit? -----I'm sure you neglected to consider some of their "in conference" and newmac tourney games....4 vs Wheaton *(Babson won 3) and WPI twice, along with M.I.T. twice...     outside conference GAMES INCLUDED-----Trinity, Suffolk, RIC, ECSU (rained out), USM, CURRY, WORCESTER STATE, .....SO, when Wheaton was # 3 in Nation THIS YEAR----Babson played them and beat them 3 in a row....tough games, but...wins! (WHEATON THEN DROPPED FROM 3RD, TO 6TH, TO 15TH, NOW 22ND)     BABSON basically played almost all of the top 10 in nation (AT ONE POINT THEY WERE)---so---not sure where you get THE Soft sos for Babson?   Maybe trinity's was soft, but?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: DIII Dad on May 09, 2009, 10:48:54 am
Hey moc323, when I first read mans007 post I took it as if he was saying except for playing Babson, Trinity plays a weak schedule. I guess you could take it either way. I will say it doesn't look like Babson is trying to duck anyone and the NEWMAC seems to be getting stronger as a conferance with the success of Babson as of late. WPI is strong and hopefully can stay that way after they lose Fahey. MIT seems to play teams tough. Wheaton (except for their latest free fall) is usually a strong team.
Good luck to Babson in the regoinals.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 09, 2009, 04:15:04 pm
Hey moc323, when I first read mans007 post I took it as if he was saying except for playing Babson, Trinity plays a weak schedule. I guess you could take it either way. I will say it doesn't look like Babson is trying to duck anyone and the NEWMAC seems to be getting stronger as a conferance with the success of Babson as of late. WPI is strong and hopefully can stay that way after they lose Fahey. MIT seems to play teams tough. Wheaton (except for their latest free fall) is usually a strong team.
Good luck to Babson in the regoinals.
   

Thanks, D3 DAD----Maybe that's what he did mean---and, I can see that now.    I think I had read that quickly and went by my 1st take on it, the way it was worded....   No biggie either way----but, I think you are correct as he wasn't really talking about Babson there---Trinity was his focus.  I hadn't looked at Trinity's schedule, nor "sos", as he stated----but, I knew Babson's was a tough one overall...    Most prior posts on here which were suggesting "weak schedules" out of conf, had been directed at Curry, as you know...That was the 1st one I've seen, which was aimed at Trinity.  Good luck to whomever you follow also.   Busy week coming for many!!
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: DIII Dad on May 09, 2009, 06:00:20 pm
I follow Wheaton, and they are on serious life support right now. Like the players have said lately, "We didn't take care of buisness when we could have so it's on us". If they don't get in we'll have to give our support to the NEWMAC rep. in the regional.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 09, 2009, 09:33:16 pm
to be honest, it probably won't be the same regionals w/out Wheaton, as they are always there at the end---period.   I guess USM HAS to be invited, though they faltered in last 2 of 3 games......can't imagine them being left out.   Not sure if Trinity won, or is in the finals etc....but--if they win their tourney--I guess that sets up the question of which 1,2 or 3 of the 3 (Curry, Wheaton, WPI) the committee reaches out to?    Lat I knew, WPI played into the finals maybe, of the ECAC, and they know they are also on life support.     Maybe all 3 get an invite?  good luck-----
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 09, 2009, 10:07:53 pm
to be honest, it probably won't be the same regionals w/out Wheaton, as they are always there at the end---period.   I guess USM HAS to be invited, though they faltered in last 2 of 3 games......can't imagine them being left out.   Not sure if Trinity won, or is in the finals etc....but--if they win their tourney--I guess that sets up the question of which 1,2 or 3 of the 3 (Curry, Wheaton, WPI) the committee reaches out to?    Lat I knew, WPI played into the finals maybe, of the ECAC, and they know they are also on life support.     Maybe all 3 get an invite?  good luck-----


USM had a 35-7 record and beat Wheaton 14-3 head to head: I think it's obvious which team they should take...
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 09, 2009, 10:14:28 pm
to be honest, it probably won't be the same regionals w/out Wheaton, as they are always there at the end---period.   I guess USM HAS to be invited, though they faltered in last 2 of 3 games......can't imagine them being left out.   Not sure if Trinity won, or is in the finals etc....but--if they win their tourney--I guess that sets up the question of which 1,2 or 3 of the 3 (Curry, Wheaton, WPI) the committee reaches out to?    Lat I knew, WPI played into the finals maybe, of the ECAC, and they know they are also on life support.     Maybe all 3 get an invite?  good luck-----


USM had a 35-7 record and beat Wheaton 14-3 head to head: I think it's obvious which team they should take...
OF COURSE USM GOES, WELL BEFORE WHEATON....as do WPI and Curry...WPI just won the ECAC tourney today, walking through all teams fairly easily.      No Wheaton this year......
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2009, 11:17:28 pm
to be honest, it probably won't be the same regionals w/out Wheaton, as they are always there at the end---period.   I guess USM HAS to be invited, though they faltered in last 2 of 3 games......can't imagine them being left out.   Not sure if Trinity won, or is in the finals etc....but--if they win their tourney--I guess that sets up the question of which 1,2 or 3 of the 3 (Curry, Wheaton, WPI) the committee reaches out to?    Lat I knew, WPI played into the finals maybe, of the ECAC, and they know they are also on life support.     Maybe all 3 get an invite?  good luck-----


USM had a 35-7 record and beat Wheaton 14-3 head to head: I think it's obvious which team they should take...
OF COURSE USM GOES, WELL BEFORE WHEATON....as do WPI and Curry...WPI just won the ECAC tourney today, walking through all teams fairly easily.      No Wheaton this year......
Those WPI wins in the ECAC are in-region and get figured into In-Region W/L results.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 10, 2009, 12:35:18 am
to be honest, it probably won't be the same regionals w/out Wheaton, as they are always there at the end---period.   I guess USM HAS to be invited, though they faltered in last 2 of 3 games......can't imagine them being left out.   Not sure if Trinity won, or is in the finals etc....but--if they win their tourney--I guess that sets up the question of which 1,2 or 3 of the 3 (Curry, Wheaton, WPI) the committee reaches out to?    Lat I knew, WPI played into the finals maybe, of the ECAC, and they know they are also on life support.     Maybe all 3 get an invite?  good luck-----


USM had a 35-7 record and beat Wheaton 14-3 head to head: I think it's obvious which team they should take...
OF COURSE USM GOES, WELL BEFORE WHEATON....as do WPI and Curry...WPI just won the ECAC tourney today, walking through all teams fairly easily.      No Wheaton this year......



I misread your post...Sorry bout that...
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on May 10, 2009, 06:23:39 am
I think that if WPI gets in, teams may want to re-think there position about playing in the ECAC tourney for no other reason than to add possible in -region wins for the committee to look at. But also if a team loses a couple it could hurt them.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: DIII Dad on May 10, 2009, 11:18:07 am
I think that if WPI gets in, teams may want to re-think there position about playing in the ECAC tourney for no other reason than to add possible in -region wins for the committee to look at. But also if a team loses a couple it could hurt them.
I agree that it could hurt them if a team loses, but if your on the bubble already wouldn't you take the chance to try and get some in regions wins to help yourself. Take a team like Wheaton they probably had nothing to lose playing the ECAC. If they win it, it might help. They could have gotten a win over WPI that could have helped. In my opinion I thought they should have played in it to try and help themselves. Now it doesn't seem to matter, they are likely done. But crazier things have happened with the selections.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: dubbc on May 10, 2009, 11:54:26 am
In order to play in the ECAC's you have to schedule fewer games (36 i believe) AND leave an extra week open at the end of the year (this means taking away a week from indoor practice in the winter) both things wouldn't make sense for a team like wheaton to do since they usually get an AQ bid
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 10, 2009, 12:23:14 pm
I agree with the, "if you're already on the bubble", then play ECAC's if you can do so...Why not?  If you lose a couple more---you had your chance to shine and show you do belong in NCAA's, vs letting other teams play and move (further?) ahead of you in the final week of rankings.....(WPI/Wheaton)    now WPI is showing 5-6 wins in a row at year end---vs Wheaton losing 2 of their last 3.  I fthe committee had them fairly even with 1 week left for final bid---guess whom gets the nod?   It still is a "guess" for us fans.........but, I agree you want to give the committee as much favorable info to consider in the end.    The 1 week of indoors missed, may be more than made up for on the Arizona trip and the keeping your schedule at 36 games may also save you a few more arms for the NCAA's....?    I think the " usually gets an A.Q. bid thought process may need slight adjusting in future years, with the arrival of WPI, MIT, Babson the last few years.   Not sure the A.Q. bid is a "guarantee" any longer....Why assume that, when you can cya a little at the end by leaving the option for ECAC?     Playing that tourney may also keep your current rotation in sinc vs having all 4 starters with 2 weeks off before game one of NCAA's?    Rest is good for those whom need rest---but, as we all know, sometimes starters are in grooves you don't want to take 2 weeks off of at tourney time.     Again---if you are off for 2 weeks--you have no choices and no way to help your cause, if ya end up on that bubble.    The competition in NEWMAC may be more even now, vs in its 1st 8-9 years of existence?   
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on May 11, 2009, 02:50:39 pm
All-NE thoughts - because I am bored at work.

C - Killeen (Trin), 1B - Graham (Trin), 2B - Piancentini (Trin), SS - Burleson (USM), 3B - Castillo (ECSU), OF - Doyon (KSC), D'Alfonso (USM), Fatse (WNEC), UTL - Moran (SJM), Gilblair (ECSU), P - Bayer (Trin), Fahey (WPI), Aizenstadt (Bab), RP - Simmons (Wheat)

There is a very distinct LEC and Trinity flavor to my list, but the numbers and talent make it hard to have it any other way.  If anyone has suggestions for 2B, I am open to hearing them.  Piancentini's numbers were not as good as I realized.  Also, that 3rd pitcher is very up in the air.  Bayer and Fahey are locks, but several could be put up against Aizenstadt.  I am sure people will have questions on Fatse, but his 66 RBI are very impressive. 
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan77 on May 11, 2009, 02:55:58 pm
All-NE thoughts - because I am bored at work.C - Killeen (Trin), 1B - Graham (Trin), 2B - Piancentini (Trin), SS - Burleson (USM), 3B - Castillo (ECSU), OF - Doyon (KSC), D'Alfonso (USM), Fatse (WNEC), UTL - Moran (SJM), Gilblair (ECSU), P - Bayer (Trin), Fahey (WPI), Aizenstadt (Bab), RP - Simmons (Wheat)There is a very distinct LEC and Trinity flavor to my list, but the numbers and talent make it hard to have it any other way.  If anyone has suggestions for 2B, I am open to hearing them.  Piancentini's numbers were not as good as I realized.  Also, that 3rd pitcher is very up in the air.  Bayer and Fahey are locks, but several could be put up against Aizenstadt.  I am sure people will have questions on Fatse, but his 66 RBI are very impressive. 
I am not very good at these list but I think Ryan Pike would have to be on there somewhereAVG  .359  10HR  65RBI  with 21 SB
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Stump on May 11, 2009, 03:01:31 pm
All-NE thoughts - because I am bored at work.C - Killeen (Trin), 1B - Graham (Trin), 2B - Piancentini (Trin), SS - Burleson (USM), 3B - Castillo (ECSU), OF - Doyon (KSC), D'Alfonso (USM), Fatse (WNEC), UTL - Moran (SJM), Gilblair (ECSU), P - Bayer (Trin), Fahey (WPI), Aizenstadt (Bab), RP - Simmons (Wheat)There is a very distinct LEC and Trinity flavor to my list, but the numbers and talent make it hard to have it any other way.  If anyone has suggestions for 2B, I am open to hearing them.  Piancentini's numbers were not as good as I realized.  Also, that 3rd pitcher is very up in the air.  Bayer and Fahey are locks, but several could be put up against Aizenstadt.  I am sure people will have questions on Fatse, but his 66 RBI are very impressive. 
I am not very good at these list but I think Ryan Pike would have to be on there somewhereAVG  .359  10HR  65RBI  with 21 SB

Great list Rick-- I would agree with hockeyfan that Pike should probably be in the OF
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: TheGNAC on May 11, 2009, 04:13:38 pm
Bobby Barrett from Suffolk needs to be on that list somewhere, too.

.384 BA, 13 doubles, 5 triples, 7 HR, 66 RBI, .685 SLG%, 8-9 in stolen bases while catching 35 games.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 11, 2009, 04:57:42 pm
All-NE thoughts - because I am bored at work.

C - Killeen (Trin), 1B - Graham (Trin), 2B - Piancentini (Trin), SS - Burleson (USM), 3B - Castillo (ECSU), OF - Doyon (KSC), D'Alfonso (USM), Fatse (WNEC), UTL - Moran (SJM), Gilblair (ECSU), P - Bayer (Trin), Fahey (WPI), Aizenstadt (Bab), RP - Simmons (Wheat)

There is a very distinct LEC and Trinity flavor to my list, but the numbers and talent make it hard to have it any other way.  If anyone has suggestions for 2B, I am open to hearing them.  Piancentini's numbers were not as good as I realized.  Also, that 3rd pitcher is very up in the air.  Bayer and Fahey are locks, but several could be put up against Aizenstadt.  I am sure people will have questions on Fatse, but his 66 RBI are very impressive. 
 

maybe add sean cleary (catcher.babson to your list?   B. Bessinger (babson) on list maybe also?   2 very good greshmen sp at M.I.T. you could think about in a 4 slot?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 11, 2009, 04:59:16 pm
All-NE thoughts - because I am bored at work.

C - Killeen (Trin), 1B - Graham (Trin), 2B - Piancentini (Trin), SS - Burleson (USM), 3B - Castillo (ECSU), OF - Doyon (KSC), D'Alfonso (USM), Fatse (WNEC), UTL - Moran (SJM), Gilblair (ECSU), P - Bayer (Trin), Fahey (WPI), Aizenstadt (Bab), RP - Simmons (Wheat)

There is a very distinct LEC and Trinity flavor to my list, but the numbers and talent make it hard to have it any other way.  If anyone has suggestions for 2B, I am open to hearing them.  Piancentini's numbers were not as good as I realized.  Also, that 3rd pitcher is very up in the air.  Bayer and Fahey are locks, but several could be put up against Aizenstadt.  I am sure people will have questions on Fatse, but his 66 RBI are very impressive. 
 

maybe add sean cleary (catcher.babson to your list?   B. Bessinger (babson) on list maybe also?   2 very good greshmen sp at M.I.T. you could think about in a 4 slot?
    freshmen sp, not grehmen:)))   don't hv their names but both were about 5-1 at last look?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ecfaninri on May 11, 2009, 05:23:48 pm
How about John Parke (Econn) 2B and Jim Schult (EConn) OF? Could Musson, and Fontaine have been considered if they were the only ones on their staff? I think each of these kids would rather collect the memories of possibly playing well enough to go to Appleton.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on May 11, 2009, 06:39:03 pm
ecfan - I would say that four LEC OF's were the first four I left off (Pike, Schult, Perkins, Callahan).  I think Parke/Besinger/Piancentini all bring different things to the table and are pretty much neck and neck at 2B (at second thought I would go with Parke).  Musson and Fontaine would be the next two pitchers. 

The thing I felt bad about when I first made that list was that lack of a player from Suffolk and Curry.  Let's say Barrett is our 1st team All-NE DH!

moc - Cleary?  A freshman catcher who had a nice first year, but All-NE?!?  Killeen is the clear 1st teamer and my pick for POY.

Forgot to add this to my first post:

NE POY - Killeen (Trinity)
NE PitchOY - Bayer (Trinity)
NE FOY - Callahan (KSC)   
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: rbgosfan on May 11, 2009, 07:07:40 pm
You had  Andrew Fatse from WNEC in the outfield, but he actually played 2B which is where you were looking for someone. Also have to consider Chris Newell from WNEC in the outfield.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: Rick Vaughn on May 11, 2009, 07:30:13 pm
Problem solved:  2B - Fatse (WNEC), OF - Pike (USM)

IMHO - That team I named would be the best DI team in NE.
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: RSSmith on May 11, 2009, 07:32:52 pm
Problem solved:  2B - Fatse (WNEC), OF - Pike (USM)

IMHO - That team I named would be the best DI team in NE.

Isn't that like being the best barbecue joint in New England?  [chuckle]
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: ECSUalum on May 11, 2009, 07:56:08 pm
Problem solved:  2B - Fatse (WNEC), OF - Pike (USM)

IMHO - That team I named would be the best DI team in NE.

Rick,

Bravo on above comment.

I think this is why the D-III/D-II all star teams are winning more often over the D-I all stars at Fenway Park in June
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 11, 2009, 08:08:38 pm
ecfan - I would say that four LEC OF's were the first four I left off (Pike, Schult, Perkins, Callahan).  I think Parke/Besinger/Piancentini all bring different things to the table and are pretty much neck and neck at 2B (at second thought I would go with Parke).  Musson and Fontaine would be the next two pitchers. 

The thing I felt bad about when I first made that list was that lack of a player from Suffolk and Curry.  Let's say Barrett is our 1st team All-NE DH!

moc - Cleary?  A freshman catcher who had a nice first year, but All-NE?!?  Killeen is the clear 1st teamer and my pick for POY.

Forgot to add this to my first post:

NE POY - Killeen (Trinity)
NE PitchOY - Bayer (Trinity)
NE FOY - Callahan (KSC)   
   

Hey, Rick-----sorry for any confusion---I wasn't suggesting Cleary "over" anyone there---just thought you either had left all catchers out, by mistake, or---maybe were looking for a 2nd suggestion at catcher behind Killeen?   I may have just missed seeing any catchers on your orig list---or, didn't realize Kileen is a catcher...(thought you had him at 1b---I missed the "c" before his name:)))   newboy here----we were rained out I believe, vs Trinity....or. I couldn't make that game?? so, unable to see Killeen play this year.  I missed seeing him play this year, though, have read about him almost weekely...   Let's recommend Cleary for ROY candidate instead then, or at least ROY at catcher position:))??     
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: wordsmith on May 11, 2009, 08:30:07 pm
Unless voters were sleeping -->Jeff Perkins OF KSC should be on the first team All NE as well as Andrew Fatse - 2B from WNEC.

Word :P

Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
Post by: moc323 on May 11, 2009, 10:20:22 pm
Unless voters were sleeping -->Jeff Perkins OF KSC should be on the first team All NE as well as Andrew Fatse - 2B from WNEC.

Word :P


     I hope those "voters" are NOT the same guys whom made the field of 54 selections and, specifically the New Eng Bracket?   Wnec gets to travel to a 6 team bracket?----and also avoids running into 3 of the top 5-6 teams in the U.S.........Since all 3 are stuck playing each other in Mansfield, Ct.??   Doesn't simple math----tell us if you have "8 regionals", and if there are 8 # one seeds....... you may wanna think about using many/most of the top 8 teams in the last national rankings to be your # 1 seeds in each bracket??   NOOOOOOO-, Let's plunk 3 of top 5-6 in the same bracket and seed them 1,2,3.      Thanks to the selection committee for eliminating 2, of the top 5 or 6 teams in the U.S. for us all-------before they even play one game in regionals???   WOW.......     Sorry guys----Am I missing something here, or is there some obvious injustice being done?   

   
 Kinda like lining up ALL of your ships on C 5-15, d 5-15, E5-15 and F5-15 in the game, Battleship, when we were kids !!!   Even as kids, we knew that was wrong !!!   Why do they bother taking 8 hours or so, doing the selections/brackets, etc----just to then create a KLUNKER, like New England's bracket???     No offense to committee, but------Duhhhhhhhh ?
Title: Re: BB: General New England Discussion
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