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Title: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 20, 2007, 11:09:24 pm
Just_Some_Guy’s West Region Rankings for the week of 2/18/06-2/24/06

This was pretty tough for my first attempt at this, but hopefully some people will read and appreciate the work put into it.  It was more of a time investment than I thought it would be so I if I continue to do it, I doubt it will be this in depth and thorough. It might just consist of the rankings, key games, and a couple of top players. We’ll see.  Feedback and discussions, criticisms, etc are encouraged.


1.   Chapman Indep (8-1) – There’s no way you can justify putting anyone else in this spot yet. They are returning a large part of a team that won the West Regional last year. The team is hitting .377 and the team ERA is 2.47. 2B Kyle Redding is hitting .567, 3B Kurt Yacko, mentioned by some as an early player of the year candidate is hitting .447 with 3 bombs and 15 RBI. Transfer (Trinity, TX) SS Ryan Cavan hitting .429 with 3 SBs. And guess who’s back, Devin Drag. Drag’s ERA is a paltry 0.43 – He’s 3-0 with 3 BB and 23 SO in 21 innings. Opponents are hitting .125 against him. Freshman Matt Luzar (3-0) and Sophomore Wayde Kitches (1-1) compliment Drag well in the rotation with ERAs of  2.75 and 3.57 respectively. And Kurt Yacko is been solid in the pen: 1-0 with a 1.08 ERA and 2 saves. Opponents are hitting 0.71 against him.  Again, the bullpen is probably a little suspect. Again, with starters like these how do you get to the bullpen enough times to not see someone other than Yacko?
Key Games: Swept Cal Lutheran, 2 of 3 from McMurry

2.   George Fox NWC (4-0) – Picked to win their 6th straight Northwest title and who am I to argue? Returning OF Dan Wentzell (.388-5-38) and Third Team All-American SS (now 3B) Bo Thunell (.417-7-48) and a pitching staff their coach claims is the most talented he’s had in terms of depth I see no reason why George Fox won’t return to the west regional where they finished 3rd last season.
Key Games: Beat Cal Lutheran 6-3 and the Redlands 12-2

3.   UT Tyler ASC (4-0) – It’s hard to tell too much about this team because only there 3-1 win over McMurry gives us any indication of how this team will shape up, but after being the team with the 6th highest winning percentage (.811) in DIII baseball and with three guys hitting over .500 including 1B Brett Amyx who has 3 HR and 8 RBI, and pitching staff with a 1.12 ERA there’s no doubt this will be a tough team.  Fortunately for the other teams in these rankings Tyler has one more year before they’re eligible for post season play. Sr. Clay Copeland was picked as the ASC-East Preseason Player of the Year. Copeland hit .422 last year.
Key Games: Defeated McMurry 3-1

4.   Texas Lutheran ASC (7-0) – Here’s a team that usually starts the season nationally ranked based on previous year’s performance and quickly drops out by the first updated poll, then always resurfaces come regional time where they’ve finished 2nd to Chapman the last two years. The Bulldogs return all three rotation starters Enloe (0.75), Besa (1.08), Newman and last years closer turned starter Austin Yager (3-0) in the young season. The Bulldogs haven’t really played anyone yet, and they have to be concerned about the way Sr. Kyle Newman has pitched in his two starts (9.95 ERA). With only three returning position starters and the loss of All-American catcher Aaron Crais, the Bulldogs field a different team this year, but expectations remain the same.  SS Jacob Kaase is off to a hot start at .545 and LF Mat Moore is hitting .389 w/ 10 RBIs in 7 games.
Key Games: Defeated Southwestern 9-3

5.   UT Dallas ASC (2-1) – 2nd place in the ASC tournament last year, UTD returns 8 of 9 starters and will fill the missing starting spot with all ASC DH Nick Bird. This team is as offensively potent as they come and it showed this weekend against Trinity. Led by Bird (.308), OF Trent Elizondo (.600, 4 2B) and 2B Brett Rosen (.400). CF Mitch Elliot is hitting .444 with 2 bombs so far as well. The big question is can the pitching withstand the fire? UTD’s starting rotation will probably feature a transfer from Brookhaven CC and two guys who had about 11 appearances out of the bullpen collectively last year.
Key Games: Took 2 of 3 from Trinity

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Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: infielddad on February 20, 2007, 11:54:08 pm
Just,   that is a real nice assessment of each team, their personel, and performance to date.  The fact that Trinity did not use Brian Oates and could have won 2-3 from UT Dallas is pretty impressive.  Brian Oates pitched tonight.  4 innings, no runs or hits and 7 strikeouts.  As good as Drag is, Brian is there with him.  I think Trinity pitching will mature as the season does.  With Oates for a full season, the way they can pitch and hit can move them right up the rankings. With that said, from everything I hear of Chapman, Trinity does not have the kind of depth position wise but maybe are deeper on the mound. Additionally, they play a very rugged schedule.  That will help them a lot in the SCAC but with Rhodes beating Millsaps, and two weeks of tournament play, it is going to be bruising.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2007, 12:02:26 am
Guy, thanks.  +1!

IMHO, Luzar is the #2 pitcher from my seeing him last weekend. Kitchens is #3.  McMurry got to Kitchens again this year.  They could not touch Luzar!

I thought that Trinity's pitching looked good against UT-D on Sunday.  I think that they have the depth to handle the new SCAC format.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 21, 2007, 07:06:28 am
6.   Trinity SCAC (1-2) – So they almost got swept by UTD, well they could’ve very easily won the series as well. This team will be there when it’s all said and done thanks to a very deep pitching staff and Sr. Nick Vera (.500 1 HR, 4 RBI, 2 SB). Senior 3B Blake Holman and Senior OF Bobby Zabor will help anchor the middle of the lineup and if Andreas Verrios returns to his sophomore year form, this team could be very dangerous. The question with this team comes can Hoover and Claydon man the middle and provide any offensive punch.  If not can Ramos contribute? He certainly had a good weekend against UTD. With Bignall, Oates, Horn, Bronson, and Hopkins (among others) Trinity has a deep staff, but it did seem vulnerable in the games against UTD as only Bignall got a W, giving up 6 ER in the process. The health of Oates will be key. He didn’t throw this weekend and I guess they’re trying to work him back in slowly.
Key Games: Lost 2 of 3 to UT-Dallas

7.   Linfield NWC (3-1) – Like UTD, Linfield is a team that has plenty of offensive firepower and may struggle to find consistency from an untested pitching staff. Led by catcher and 1st team All NWC Drew Van Cleave (.438), 2nd team All NWC 3B David Bachofner, and Outfielders Kevin Mills (.450) and Stew Davis this team will hit which they proved in Arizona this past weekend with 36 runs in 4 games. Only RHP Brian Clark (7-1 last year) returns as a starter though, and others will be counted on to step into the mix. The starters, including Clark, have been roughed up early this year, but Cameron Larson is 2-0 with a 0.00 ERA out of the bullpen.
Key Games: Lost to Cal Lutheran 9-15, defeated Redlands 9-6

8.   Cal Lutheran SCIAC  (5-4) – 1-4 against teams I have ranked higher than them, I’m starting to second-guess my placement; perhaps they should at least be behind Redlands. I don’t know. The Kingsmen will be led by returners P  Gabe Ward (8-1, 2.80 ERA last year) and C Brett Urie (.329). CF Lee Ellis (7 HRs) and 3B Justin Bogoyevac (.316) will also help man the offense. Only 5 of their 9 games have been posted in their stats, but thus far Sr. Josh Gagne is 1-0 with a 0.00 ERA in 9.2 innings pitched. I wish these SCIAC would keep up with their stats better.
Key Games: Swept by Chapman, defeated Linfield 15-9, lost to George Fox 3-6, defeated Pacific Lutheran 7-1

9.   Hardin Simmons ASC (3-2) – Hardin Simmons is a team that could make a deep run this year if they start firing on all cylinders. HSU returns all nine starters including Preseason ASC West Hitter of the year 3B Brad Coleman (.409) and Preseason ASC West pitcher of the year, LHP Dalton Rucker (1-1). With the addition of 2 Division 1 transfers to an already relatively deep bullpen that includes Josh Alcorn (2.13 ERA, 7 saves a year ago), they become on of the deepest pitching staffs in the West Region. With a high caliber and offensively talented outfield – Stepp (.522 2 HR), Simpson (.471 2 HR) and Gibbs (.513 9 RBI) you certainly can’t over look the Cowboys this year.
Key Games: None really indicative of what to expect

10.   Redlands SCIAC (2-2) – After winning the SCIAC last year, and being the number one seed last year, the Redlands went 2 and Q, but they’re still one of the strongest teams in the SCIAC and probably one of the favorites to repeat. It certainly doesn’t hurt to return SCIAC ’06 player of the year P/OF Kyle Gardner who hit .380 and pitched well for the Bulldogs. The team also returns Brian Schumaker who was injured for most of the ’06 campaign. Not only that, the Bulldogs return their same starting rotation as last year, including Rob Walker (8-3, 2.66 ERA last year). Couldn’t find stats for this year yet.
Key Games: defeated Pacific Lutheran 7-2, lost to George Fox 2-12, lost to Linfield 6-9 in extra innings


I had a really tough time with the SCIAC. Redlands played Linfield a good extra inning game, but got beat by George Fox pretty handily. Cal Lutheran got swept by Chapman, but beat Linfield and played George Fox more respectably. Claremont Mudd beat Cal State East Bay twice, but then dropped 2 of 3 to Pacific (Ore.). After watching the Redlands win the SCIAC last year and go two and Q in the West Region tournament last year it’s tough to justify a team from that conference very high in these rankings, especially with the parity I’m seeing early on. Inevitably I think it’ll come down to Cal Lutheran or the Redlands and they’re both probably better than Pacific (Ore.) who I originally had ranked but I just can’t imagine them staying in these rankings.





Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 21, 2007, 08:28:22 am
Well I finally got it all up.  I had the list done around 5:30 last night and couldn't get it to post. I don't know if it was too much text or what.  When I tried breaking it up it still took 15 minutes to post on a DSL connection.  I don't know if the board server was slow or if my computer was acting up, but anyhow, it's all there. Any glaring omissions? Someone I should've left off?
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on February 21, 2007, 11:41:34 am
I think you are very close. I had it like this:

1. Chapman
2. TX
3. TX
4. TX
5. George Fox
6. TX
7. Redlands
8. Cal Lutheran

I'll leave my Texas schools for Ralph to decide, but I think the rest is quite close. everyone tells me that I am nuts, but I think the SCIAC is over rated. Redlands and Cal Lu are average teams is a below average conference. When was the last time that Cal Tech even won a SCIAC game? Pomona-Pitzer fell apart with the departure of their coach to nearby NAIA Azusa-Pacific three years ago and the rest of the conference just cannot compete with the top teams in the West Region. They may steal a game or two somewhere, but over the long haul of the season, they will falter.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 21, 2007, 02:39:29 pm
BP,

Even though the SCIAC might be weak, several of these teams, like UOR and Cal Lu play strong non-SCIAC teams. After hearing about the Arizona Classic, it looks like the Kingsmen and Dawgs had a decent day against strong NWC and one texas school. Of course being swept by the #1 team in the west region is bad, but the exposure to such team and the amount of offense that they produced, justifies that these SCIAC teams can hang with the big boys.  It's not not like they got bombed by these school or couldn't produce with their bats.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Tom Brady on February 21, 2007, 03:08:34 pm
Just to weigh in my opinion on this subject, it looks to me like Cal Lu had the most success in AZ.  They were the only team to play George Fox tough and absolutely spanked Linfield.  I am sure Redlands was a little rough around the edges since these were their first games.  Whittier beat an average team and a terrible one and La Verne, well it looks like it might be a long year for them.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: infielddad on February 21, 2007, 07:37:33 pm
On these West Region rankings, I think Cal St East Bay might be getting overlooked.  They play a very tough schedule with  nationally ranked DII's and I think a game with a very young and talented DI at St Mary's this season.
Also, while it might be a reach, Chapman might be in for a bit of a battle this weekend with Menlo College.  Menlo beat Div II S. F. State last weekend.  While you cannot tell it from their site, they have loaded up with some juniors from highly ranked JC programs, including College of San Mateo.  In fact, they have a couple of guys playing this year that I could swear I have been reading about for 5 years. These are  very high quality JC guys who have competed at that California State JC championships.  Might make it a weekend that should draw some attention.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 21, 2007, 09:14:38 pm
BP,

Even though the SCIAC might be weak, several of these teams, like UOR and Cal Lu play strong non-SCIAC teams. After hearing about the Arizona Classic, it looks like the Kingsmen and Dawgs had a decent day against strong NWC and one texas school. Of course being swept by the #1 team in the west region is bad, but the exposure to such team and the amount of offense that they produced, justifies that these SCIAC teams can hang with the big boys.  It's not not like they got bombed by these school or couldn't produce with their bats.

The Redlands played Linfield well, but got dominated by George Fox 12-2. This was their second game so they shouldn't have been out of pitching by any means yet. Cal Lutheran played George Fox better and beat Linfield so that justified me ranking them higher in my opinion (for this particular poll).

And you're talking about the amount of offense that Cal Lutheran produced. Against Chapman they scored 10 runs in 3 games (one game was 7 runs in which 25 total runs were scored).  I don't know that that is necessarily "producing offense."  I agree with Big Poppa that the SCIAC is weaker than the other two conferences that make up the West Region. (Granted the ASC could very easily be two conferences).

I just watched how overmatched The Redlands were last year in the regional after coming in as the one seed and so that has made me skeptical as well.  Albiet, it's still VERY early in the season. Let's see how it plays out. I'm definitely enjoying the discussion though - keep'em coming.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 21, 2007, 09:42:24 pm
On these West Region rankings, I think Cal St East Bay might be getting overlooked.  They play a very tough schedule with  nationally ranked DII's and I think a game with a very young and talented DI at St Mary's this season.
Also, while it might be a reach, Chapman might be in for a bit of a battle this weekend with Menlo College.  Menlo beat Div II S. F. State last weekend.  While you cannot tell it from their site, they have loaded up with some juniors from highly ranked JC programs, including College of San Mateo.  In fact, they have a couple of guys playing this year that I could swear I have been reading about for 5 years. These are  very high quality JC guys who have competed at that California State JC championships.  Might make it a weekend that should draw some attention.

As for leaving East Bay off, they are 7-2, but the two losses to Claremont Mudd (which is a middle of the road SCIAC team) is what kept me from ranking them in this version of the poll.  Cal State East Bay did sweep Div II San Francisco State (1-7), but you also mentioned Menlo beating S.F. State.  Perhaps S.F. State is just a weaker Div II program.  I definitely appreciate the insight and the depth of this discussion.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: infielddad on February 21, 2007, 11:46:02 pm
Just, in baseball, scores and boxscores tell you...not much.  But, Chapman beat  Claremont-Mudd 4-3 yesterday and had to bring Drag in to save it. Yacko continues to pound the ball.  So, I don't know if that makes any difference in the Cal St scores, or not.  But, having followed Cal St since the 2004 regional, their coach does a real nice job, they have solid players and play the game well. I will try and play hooky one day and give a game report on them
On the Menlo side, I have seen some of those guys play.  I watched Ryan Cavan for the past 4 years and Trinity for...well, not enough years.  I think I have some idea what it takes to be with the best in the West Region. The players I have seen play on the Menlo College roster like Eddie Browne are players.  Good players. Browne certainly could have started on the 2004 Chapman team. I know Menlo College has some guys who can play at that level. I don't know if they have enough of them, though.
BTW,I think your posts are just terrific.  Wish this site existed long ago. Your posts make it a lot of fun and provide a very good cross section of information over a very large region.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 01:43:53 pm
I think you are very close. I had it like this:

1. Chapman
2. TX
3. TX
4. TX
5. George Fox
6. TX
7. Redlands
8. Cal Lutheran

I'll leave my Texas schools for Ralph to decide, but I think the rest is quite close. everyone tells me that I am nuts, but I think the SCIAC is over rated. Redlands and Cal Lu are average teams is a below average conference. When was the last time that Cal Tech even won a SCIAC game? Pomona-Pitzer fell apart with the departure of their coach to nearby NAIA Azusa-Pacific three years ago and the rest of the conference just cannot compete with the top teams in the West Region. They may steal a game or two somewhere, but over the long haul of the season, they will falter.

Big Poppa, I agree with the rankings, and I think that the #2 thru #4 are interchagneable, TLU, UT-T and UT-D.  I don't have a good handle on HSU yet.  I also want to see whether CSU-EB will break into the mix this year.  I think that I would put them at #7 right now, if they are up to their usual standards.

Remember that CSU-EB is a Pool B school.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 01:46:18 pm
I also thought that Trinity looked good versus UT-D.  I think that "Texas" is strong this year.


Guy, thanks for getting this going.  :)
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: utilitycat17 on February 22, 2007, 03:25:42 pm
I'm just a little curious why everyone seems so sold on giving the Texas schools so much credit.  No one from Texas has done anything in the last 10 years.  The one time a team from Texas actually got to the World Series they were 2 and out, and they probably weren't the best from the west that year anyway; Pomona was probably the better team in 2002 and Chapman got screwed from the playoffs all together that year because of Dallas.  My point here is that every year there are numerous schools in Texas that get off to good starts, but it never amounts to anything.  I would be much more inclined to give credit to a school like Cal State East Bay who has a fairly good track record over the last few years.  They always seem to be right in the mix at the end of the year.  I would not discount the teams from the SCIAC so easily.  Although none of them are real national contenders, they all have the ability to win big games against anyone.  If East Bay lost to Claremont its could mean that Claremont is being undervalued.  It shouldn't make us undervalue East Bay.  If you look at the SCIAC over the last 10 or so years the top 5 teams have always been able to beat the best in the country.  Whittier has a pretty good history against Chapman, Eastern Connecticut never fairs well against the SCIAC, and the same could be said for Montclair State and other top eastern powers.   

I would also give more value to some of the NWC teams.  Especially George Fox and Linfield.  Both of those teams are very good every year.  Especially George Fox but not excluding Linfield.  Granted everyone seems to agree that George Fox is one of the top two teams in the region right now, but I would think Linfield deserves more credit in the early going than some of the more unproven teams from Texas.

All I am saying is that especially in D3 baseball history can tell us a lot, sometimes more than the present can.  The top teams in the nation are the same year in and year out.  The same tends to be the case at the regional level as well.  Until we get a little deeper into the season and the teams from Texas prove their worth a little more I'm not sold so many of them deserve such high praise. 
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: infielddad on February 22, 2007, 04:24:53 pm
Utility,
What are you talking about? Were you at the 2002 regional?
 In 2002, the best team in the regional was Trinity.  They beat Pomona 6-3  and did it after having to play an earlier game within 2 hours of learning of the death of their assistant coach. Mike Frost of Trinity was brilliant against Pomona except for one pitch to Turner. The next day against Concordia  they had nothing left emotionally and lost to the better team that day. If you were not there and did not know Coach Meccage, you have no idea the emotional impact of finding him and trying to play baseball with his loss weighing on your every thought.
In 2004, Trinity ended up matched against George Fox.  Fox ended up throwing Hyde,  for 141 pitches on Sunday after he pitched 9 innings on Thursday.  Used him again to ride to the Championship.  Not too surprising he ended up having surgery not long after and has never pitched again.  Trinity was darn good in 2004 but Hyde was better.  If  they used pitchers in the same way, Trinity  may have been doing the same in Wisconsin.  But they didn't and Fox won in a very good game.  You might remember that Trinity  beat both Chapman and Cal St East Bay that year.
I think these were both in the last 10 years.
 
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on February 22, 2007, 04:50:36 pm
Eastern Connecticut never fairs well against the SCIAC, and the same could be said for Montclair State and other top eastern powers.   


It is usually ECSU's first time outside and the West Coast schools already have 15-ish game under their belts.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: utilitycat17 on February 22, 2007, 05:13:22 pm
Infielddad,
I understand your affinity toward Trinity.  They have a fine program.  What I would like to know is why everyone believes there is any reason to believe, at this point in the season that there are as many as four or five teams from Texas that are better than all of the SCIAC and East Bay.  There is just no precedent for that.  Trinity is a team that I would think should be there in the end.  I have a harder time believing that Hardin Simmons and all of the other Texas schools are better than everyone else at this stage in the season.  If you have no track record you have to prove yourself.  I think it is just too early to jump the gun on Texas.

And as for the 2002 playoff, the number 1 and 2 seeds were not allowed to participate in the event because of a blunder by the West region comittee that put Dallas ahead of Chapman.  The national comittee did not pick Dallas because of their weak schedule and therefore could not skip them and include Chapman.  We may not have a team from Texas in the world series at all if that doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 06:03:09 pm
I'm just a little curious why everyone seems so sold on giving the Texas schools so much credit.  No one from Texas has done anything in the last 10 years.  The one time a team from Texas actually got to the World Series they were 2 and out, and they probably weren't the best from the west that year anyway; Pomona was probably the better team in 2002 and Chapman got screwed from the playoffs all together that year because of Dallas.  My point here is that every year there are numerous schools in Texas that get off to good starts, but it never amounts to anything.  I would be much more inclined to give credit to a school like Cal State East Bay who has a fairly good track record over the last few years.  They always seem to be right in the mix at the end of the year.  I would not discount the teams from the SCIAC so easily.  Although none of them are real national contenders, they all have the ability to win big games against anyone.  If East Bay lost to Claremont its could mean that Claremont is being undervalued.  It shouldn't make us undervalue East Bay.  If you look at the SCIAC over the last 10 or so years the top 5 teams have always been able to beat the best in the country.  Whittier has a pretty good history against Chapman, Eastern Connecticut never fairs well against the SCIAC, and the same could be said for Montclair State and other top eastern powers.   

I would also give more value to some of the NWC teams.  Especially George Fox and Linfield.  Both of those teams are very good every year.  Especially George Fox but not excluding Linfield.  Granted everyone seems to agree that George Fox is one of the top two teams in the region right now, but I would think Linfield deserves more credit in the early going than some of the more unproven teams from Texas.

All I am saying is that especially in D3 baseball history can tell us a lot, sometimes more than the present can.  The top teams in the nation are the same year in and year out.  The same tends to be the case at the regional level as well.  Until we get a little deeper into the season and the teams from Texas prove their worth a little more I'm not sold so many of them deserve such high praise. 

utilitycat, you are talking 2 different things.  Chapman is everyone's #1.  It took an incredible pitching outing by Nick Schafer to beat them last Saturday.  Perennially, except for GFU which won in 2004 and Concordia-Austin in 2002 which lost two 1-run games including to the Champion E. Conn, only one West Region team goes to the series and that has been...Chapman.

As for the rest, Trinity and Texas Lutheran had great regional series last year.  Texas Lutheran was the finalist.  Trinity outlasted Redlands and CSU-East Bay.  2006 Regional Results (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2006/Regionals/Schedule.html)

I think that we are talking about the middle rungs on the regional ladder.  I did not see any NWC-ASC games this year as we have had in previous years, so we probably have to wait until the Regionals to figure this one out.   I think that we are talking about Texas teams because we have so many that I believe are in the middle rungs of this ladder, and the difference between 2 and 8 is very small.  I think that 4-5 Texas teams can win the ASC championship, TLU, HSU, Miss Coll, UT-D and if McMurry they can find some pitching by late April.  Fourth-year provisional UT-Tyler (ineligible for the ASC playoff bid) may be better than all of them, too.  When I reviewed the NWC, I just did not think the NWC had that much breadth and depth. :)
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 06:34:59 pm
utility cat, let me give you first attempt at a West Region Ranking as described by a power rating.

Chapman-96
UT-Dallas-89
Texas Lutheran-88.8
UT-Tyler-88.7
George Fox-88.6
HSU-88.5
Redlands-81
CSU-EB-80.7

I think that is more accurate in describing the West at this time.

Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dgilblair on February 22, 2007, 07:08:05 pm
Eastern Connecticut never fairs well against the SCIAC, and the same could be said for Montclair State and other top eastern powers.   


It is usually ECSU's first time outside and the West Coast schools already have 15-ish game under their belts.
All the teams from the North are at a disadvantage when they head west or south for spring break.  Just like you said west teams have 15 games in north have only a couple.  Never mind the fact west teams have been outside playing, pitchers doing long toss (pitching seven or eight innings to the 3 or 4 for the northeasters), infielders taken grounders.....you get where I'm going.  It's a huge advantage early in the year. 
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 22, 2007, 07:15:47 pm
All the teams from the North are at a disadvantage when they head west or south for spring break.  Just like you said west teams have 15 games in north have only a couple.  Never mind the fact west teams have been outside playing, pitchers doing long toss (pitching seven or eight innings to the 3 or 4 for the northeasters), infielders taken grounders.....you get where I'm going.  It's a huge advantage early in the year. 

Fortunately, the way to go to the playoffs is by wining your conference.  Things might not be even in the beginning but it is all even compare to the schools that count. 

Although the South and West are out playing, all regions tend to start about the same time and conference games and in region games count the most for or against you.

Even though - I think it is important for teams to play good teams.  ECSU might not fare well in the spring but they seem to do well in May.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dgilblair on February 22, 2007, 07:24:25 pm
I couldn't agree more.  Do you think that a early season win could carry a little mojo with it if the teams meet again in May?
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 22, 2007, 07:25:30 pm
I'm just a little curious why everyone seems so sold on giving the Texas schools so much credit.  No one from Texas has done anything in the last 10 years.  The one time a team from Texas actually got to the World Series they were 2 and out

Typically a team who makes their first appearance in the Championship does not do well.  There are the exception in Ramapo and George Fox to the rule but for every team that wins the first time out, I can provide 10 who did not.  In fact the 22 teams with one app are 23-42 (including two champions).  Both Wheaton and Otterbein made it to the championship game but the rest are a lot of 0-2, 1-2 performances.

The point is that just because Concordia-Austin went 0-2 in the series it is more due their rookie status, not where they are from.

Correct me but did not the Texas Teams come late to D3?  I figured Chapman might have more appearances if they were in D3 for teh last 30 years.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 22, 2007, 07:29:12 pm
I couldn't agree more.  Do you think that a early season win could carry a little mojo with it if the teams meet again in May?

I think not.  The team at the beginning of the year is different than the team at the end.  An early season win should certainly help their confidence. 

I am looking forward to seeing how Averett (12-1)  does this weekend in their first conference test  - but this is off topic and out of region.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 22, 2007, 07:32:54 pm
I think that you have to include both Trinity and Texas Lutheran in any West Region discussion you have of powerhouses (OTHER than Chapman).  Texas Lutheran has been 1 win away the last two years. In 2003, they started the season 26-0, but lost out in the ASC tournament and didn't receive an at-large bid.  I think that makes a huge difference.  In the NWC, if you win the regular season, you're in.  In the ASC - if you win the regular season that means nothing, because you still have to win an 8 team tournament just to get to the regional.  With so much depth in that conference (moreso than the NWC and SCIAC) that's a TOUGH tournament to get out of.  Watching the Redlands be the #1 seed and go two and Q last year in the regional definitely had some effect on the way I did the rankings, and I admitted that bias. I did have George Fox ahead of the Texas teams and others might go with Texas teams at #2-#4, I don't know.

As far as Cal State EB goes. I definitely considered them and now I would probably put Claremont into the equation as well, but I don't know that either ends up making my rankings.  I tried to do it based on what has happened thus far this year and not so much about where they'll end up or speculating, etc. (though I did a bit with Trinity - but you could also see their caliber of play against UTD). It was just something I had fun with and helped me get a better grasp of what's going on in the region and familiarize myself with all the teams.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: infielddad on February 22, 2007, 11:21:16 pm
Not that I am a complete homer, ;D but Trinity is pretty new to DIII at a  competitive level.  Coach Scannell was hired in 1999.  He followed Pete Hughes, now at Va Tech who was hired in 1997 before moving to Boston College.  Until about 1990 or so it was a DI program.  From 1990-1997, it just was not very good.
 Since Coach Scannell came on board, they have been in the West Regional 3 times and played well each time.  Not good enough to win but in the final game with chances to win in 2 or the 3. 
The SCAC schedule does not help them because they  have anywhere from 3-4 weeks before the regional without any games. Put Cavan and Chuck Huggins (now at UCSB with the most appearances of any pitcher to this point in the season) in their lineup and you would be talking about Trinity right with Chapman.  With Vera, Oates, Bignall, Holman and Zador, Verrios, etc... they will again be knocking on that door come May.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: utilitycat17 on February 23, 2007, 11:36:47 am
"Correct me but did not the Texas Teams come late to D3?  I figured Chapman might have more appearances if they were in D3 for teh last 30 years."  Quote from Jim Dixon

Although you may be right that the Texas teams came late to D3 baseball they did not come along much later than Chapman.  Chapman has only been at the D3 level since 1994.  Gaining their first appearance at the World Series in 1997.  They were a D1 program prior to 1994.  Although you are right about first timers not doing well at the series as Chapman did not win their first game at the series until their second trip in 2000.  They have however been able to hold onto their position as a perennial playoff team since that 1997 season. 

Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: utilitycat17 on February 23, 2007, 11:58:40 am


[In 2003, they started the season 26-0, but lost out in the ASC tournament and didn't receive an at-large bid.  I think that makes a huge difference.  In the NWC, if you win the regular season, you're in.  In the ASC - if you win the regular season that means nothing, because you still have to win an 8 team tournament just to get to the regional.  With so much depth in that conference (moreso than the NWC and SCIAC) that's a TOUGH tournament to get out of.

This is probably not the right place for this question, but I can't think of a better place for it.  How do people feel about conference tournaments deciding the automatic bid from a conference?  I personally have never liked the idea of them, especially at the D3 level.  I don't understand their purpose.  If you are going to decide your AQ from one weekend why did you play the whole season; just to get a better seed to play the same teams over again?  I can't imagine these tournaments are great money makers as they are for D1 basketball.  It just doesn't seem fair to me when in the last few years we have seen instances where good teams were left out of the playoffs because the pool C had to be filled by top ranked teams who couldn't win their tournaments.  Two examples are in 2003 Ripon, who was the #1 in the country, lost to St. Norbert, who was below .500.  Ripon was given a pool C bid taking one away from another worthy team.  St. Norbert, by the way, lost both of their games in routs.  The other example I believe is also from 2003 with the same thing happening for Eastern Connecticut.  My point here is that if you come from a strong conference wouldn't you want as many legitimate pool C opportunities as possible to get more teams in.  If they are all being taken up by teams losing their tounament unexpectedly it takes opportunities away from other deserving teams.  Meaning undeserving teams are taking away the pool A bid.

utilitycat, please forgive me if I misinterpreted your post, but I have brought what I thought was your post out of the quote notation.  I will give my opinion below.   Thanks, Ralph.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: utilitycat17 on February 23, 2007, 12:01:08 pm
By the way, I'm trying to learn how to use the quotes.  So I appologize for the way the last two posts came out with the quote all screwed up.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 23, 2007, 12:35:19 pm
Although you may be right that the Texas teams came late to D3 baseball they did not come along much later than Chapman.  Chapman has only been at the D3 level since 1994.  Gaining their first appearance at the World Series in 1997.  They were a D1 program prior to 1994.  Although you are right about first timers not doing well at the series as Chapman did not win their first game at the series until their second trip in 2000.  They have however been able to hold onto their position as a perennial playoff team since that 1997 season. 

Chapman has consistently put a good team on the field compared to the field.  I would have to say that they are one of the top 3 school sin the last decade.  One can lump them with ECSU and Cortland State.  All three programs are  year-in year-out favorites to make the Championship round. 
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 23, 2007, 01:16:38 pm
If you are going to decide your AQ from one weekend why did you play the whole season; just to get a better seed to play the same teams over again?

I totally agree. I dislike NASCAR, but you don't decide the season championship based on one race, it's a culmination of the whole season as it should be with baseball.

 It just doesn't seem fair to me when in the last few years we have seen instances where good teams were left out of the playoffs because the pool C had to be filled by top ranked teams who couldn't win their tournaments.  My point here is that if you come from a strong conference wouldn't you want as many legitimate pool C opportunities as possible to get more teams in.  If they are all being taken up by teams losing their tounament unexpectedly it takes opportunities away from other deserving teams.  Meaning undeserving teams are taking away the pool A bid. ?

I agree with everything you've mentioned here whole-heartily. Pool A teams that are medicore at best during the season and get fortunate in a conference tournament nearly always fail in the regionals.  There's no way that Texas Lutheran shouldn't have gotten a bid in '03 when they were the number one team in the nation nearly the whole year. I'm not so sure UTD didn't deserve one last year. They were certainly a better team than the Redlands (granted the SCIAC gets a team in) and probably East-Bay as well.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on February 23, 2007, 02:25:32 pm
Just let it all play out... it all becomes very clear by the end of April/early May.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2007, 10:11:26 pm


[In 2003, they started the season 26-0, but lost out in the ASC tournament and didn't receive an at-large bid.  I think that makes a huge difference.  In the NWC, if you win the regular season, you're in.  In the ASC - if you win the regular season that means nothing, because you still have to win an 8 team tournament just to get to the regional.  With so much depth in that conference (moreso than the NWC and SCIAC) that's a TOUGH tournament to get out of.

This is probably not the right place for this question, but I can't think of a better place for it.  How do people feel about conference tournaments deciding the automatic bid from a conference?  I personally have never liked the idea of them, especially at the D3 level.  I don't understand their purpose.  If you are going to decide your AQ from one weekend why did you play the whole season; just to get a better seed to play the same teams over again?  I can't imagine these tournaments are great money makers as they are for D1 basketball.  It just doesn't seem fair to me when in the last few years we have seen instances where good teams were left out of the playoffs because the pool C had to be filled by top ranked teams who couldn't win their tournaments.  Two examples are in 2003 Ripon, who was the #1 in the country, lost to St. Norbert, who was below .500.  Ripon was given a pool C bid taking one away from another worthy team.  St. Norbert, by the way, lost both of their games in routs.  The other example I believe is also from 2003 with the same thing happening for Eastern Connecticut.  My point here is that if you come from a strong conference wouldn't you want as many legitimate pool C opportunities as possible to get more teams in.  If they are all being taken up by teams losing their tounament unexpectedly it takes opportunities away from other deserving teams.  Meaning undeserving teams are taking away the pool A bid.

utilitycat, please forgive me if I misinterpreted your post, but I have brought what I thought was your post out of the quote notation.  I will give my opinion below.   Thanks, Ralph.

I look at this in 2 ways.  It is fair for a team to win the regular season pennant.  And, were I the conference commissioner, I would make sure that there is a distinciton.  Win the regular season, hoist the pennant.

But with the way that baseball has become a tourney sport, I can see the distinction that "winning the tourney for the right to go on" has become a big motivating factor.

Honor both accomplishments.  I think that that is fair.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: utilitycat17 on February 23, 2007, 10:50:06 pm

Honor both accomplishments.  I think that that is fair.

Fair enough.  I'll never really like it, but I do understand that it keeps everyone involved and motivated all season long.  Instead of losing that early series and thinking your season is over, it keeps teams in it til the end.  There is something to be said for a cinderela team, I guess.  Thanks for the opinions guys.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 25, 2007, 11:06:33 pm
No rankings this week because I want to see what happens next week.  There was definitely some parity in the bottom half of what would've been the top 10 this weekend with McMurry taking 2 of 3 from a UTD team that took 2 of 3 from a very good Trinity team which won the AZ tournament they participated in.  Cal Lu dropped 2 of 3 at Pitzer which probably would've led to Pitzer being the other SCIAC in the rankings. Linfield probably has to drop out dropping down to 3-3 with GFU beating Corban, who beat Linfield. Mississippi might not have a lot of depth on the mound, but they made a statement crushing UMHB in 3 games in ASC cross-divisional play. Hardin Simmons took 2 of 3 from a pretty good Louisianna College (probably 4th in the East).  Texas Lutheran played pretty sloppily but managed to sweep the Ozarks.  They'll host Trinity on Tuesday in what could be the game of the week. Trinity will throw staff ace Brian Oates from what I hear. Tyler remained undefeated. 

When it's all said and done, I think the teams with the best pitching are in the regional and so that makes me lean towards teams like Chapman, George Fox, Trinity, Texas Lutheran, UT Tyler (if they weren't provisional) and maybe the Redlands and Hardin Simmons (who I THINK will come around as the season progresses), and away from teams like UTD, Mississippi, Concordia (aside from Miller) and McMurry who don't have the depth on the mound as much as the other teams.

Some teams to watch:

Indep:
Chapman 11-1
East Bay 7-2

NWC:
George Fox 6-0
Linfield 3-3
Pacific (Ore) 2-1
Pacific Lu 6-3

SCIAC:
Redlands 6-2
Pomona Pitzer 7-2
Cal Lutheran 6-6
Claremont 5-5

ASC:
Texas Lutheran 10-0
UT Tyler 8-0
Mississippi Coll 6-3
Hardin Simmons 5-3
UT Dallas 4-3
Concordia 7-6
McMurry 4-5
Schreiner 9-1

SCAC:
Trinity 5-4


Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Bearkat00 on February 27, 2007, 09:59:38 am
Schreiner is 9-1!!!!!  Have they had a weak schedule?
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 10:55:24 pm
Schreiner is 9-1!!!!!  Have they had a weak schedule?

Schreiner has had an interesting schedule.

vs. UTPB (D2)        3-0
vs. TA&MInt (D2)   1-2
vs. Southwestern (SCAC) 2-0
vs. Austin College (SCAC)  2-0
vs. UDallas (Indep) 2-0.

SRSU lost a DH to UT-Permian Basin.

I think that we must watch Schreiner.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2007, 10:58:09 pm
...
When it's all said and done, I think the teams with the best pitching are in the regional and so that makes me lean towards teams like Chapman, George Fox, Trinity, Texas Lutheran, UT Tyler (if they weren't provisional) and maybe the Redlands and Hardin Simmons (who I THINK will come around as the season progresses), and away from teams like UTD, Mississippi, Concordia (aside from Miller) and McMurry who don't have the depth on the mound as much as the other teams. ...


I appreciate the depth of your summary.

+1  :)
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on February 28, 2007, 10:24:16 am
And Concordia has four losses to Houston Baptist, a top NAIA team. Take those out (which we can't, obviously :P), and we're 7-2.

And we'll be fine on the mound, IMO.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on February 28, 2007, 10:40:30 am
Schreiner is always a team that draws early season interest. It seems that every spring their name pops up, but they are not around in May. Maybe this will be a different year for them.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 28, 2007, 11:22:12 am
Schreiner is always a team that draws early season interest. It seems that every spring their name pops up, but they are not around in May. Maybe this will be a different year for them.

Really?  I don't recall Schreiner EVER drawing any interest in quite some time. I think they're better on the mound than they have been in a long time and that they're pretty scrappy at the plate led by Kester.  I don't know that they have what it takes to consistently beat the Texas Lutheran, Hardin Simmons, McMurry and Concordia's of the world, but that's what the games are for.

Texas Lutheran 11-0 vs. UT Tyler 9-0 should be a really good match up this weekend at Tyler. Any predictions?

McMurry vs. Mississippi College and Hardin Simmons vs. UT Dallas also pit consistent ASC playoff contenders against one another. Predictions for those?
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on February 28, 2007, 01:13:00 pm
I'll say TLU wins the series 2-1, just since I'm an ASC West homer. :P
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2007, 11:04:35 pm
Schreiner won the conference in 2000 (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/championships.htm).

SRSU had some really good pitching in 1999, too.

Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2007, 11:12:54 pm
As for this week's game, I think that we can see if some pitching staffs are improving.

For outside fans, I think this weekend describes the ASC diliemma.  The ASC champion would finish in the top half of almost any sectional in the country, and the champion will have won their division by one game over the top 3-4 teams in their division!

On a power rating, I don't see that we have a Top 8 team in the ASC, but we have a bunch of teams that fit very nicely in the mid 20's on a power rating...along with a bunch of other programs around the country.  In the West Regional, Chapman had to beat TLU twice on the last day to win and advance, and TLU only lead the ASC West Division over 4th place McMurry by 1 game.  Such is the ASC.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 05, 2007, 12:32:00 am
Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings for the week of March 4th- March 11th:

1. Chapman 13-1 – I am not necessarily convinced that they’re in a class all by themselves, but at the same time I wouldn’t dare put anyone else at this spot yet. They’ve certainly played like a team that could repeat as west regional champs and with a solid big three rotation and Yacko in the pen, along with Yacko and the middle infield duo of Cavan and Redding at the plate this team is probably as good as any team in the country right now.

Key Contributors:
RHP Devin Drag – 5-0, 2.19 ERA, 36K’s in 37 IP, .223 avg against
RHP/3B Kurt Yacko – 1-0, 0.93 ERA, 30K’s in 19.1 IP, .109 avg against
         .483 avg, 5 HR, 23 RBI, .867 SLG, .500 OBP
         (Has been a little vulnerable defensively)
2B Kyle Redding - .447 avg
SS Ryan Cavan - .415 avg, 6-6 SB, .514 OBP (also vulnerable defensively this year)
CF Tyler Dean - .396 avg, 2 HR, .500 OBP, 6-7 SB
RHP Wayde Kitchens 2-1, 2.36 ERA .188 avg against
RHP Matt Luzar 4-0, 2.55 ERA

Key Games: Took 2 of 3 from McMurry, Def. Redlands 16-5, Swept Cal Lutheran



2. UT Tyler 12-0 - Elevating UT Tyler to the #2 spot isn’t so much about what George Fox did, but about UT Tyler’s sweep of previously #4 Texas Lutheran. I thought this team might just be padding their stats against a soft schedule, but they raised their team batting average after facing TLU to .402. And their team ERA is 2.30. Top to bottom this team can swing it, and with solid starting pitching and a ridiculously talented bullpen (that is used well by the coaching staff), this team could challenge Chapman for west region supremacy if they were eligible for the playoffs this year. Okay, so that’s a pretty premature statement, but I feel like this team wins the ASC East by two games or more over UTD.

Key Contributors:
The whole starting lineup – The team is hitting .402 for cripes sakes, led by 3B Towns (.524), SS Fox (.488/.638 OBP), and CF Goss (.462/.632). RF Damewood might be this team’s best hitter and he currently has the lowest batting average of any starter with a .333 average. ASC Pre-season POTY, Clay Copeland is hitting .378.
The bullpen – Starting pitching has been solid (they’re 8-0). Campbell and Holland are both 3-0 with ERA’s under 3.00, but this is a team that can go to any number of guys out of the bullpen. Nate Jennings who has only thrown 5 innings may be the best with a 90+ fastball and has only relinquished 1 hit so far this season.

Key Games: Swept Texas Lutheran, def. McMurry 3-1



3. George Fox 9-0 - Year in and year out George Fox is the premiere team in the NWC, and this year doesn’t seem to be any different. With the exception of a pretty solid Cal Lutheran team in their first game of the year George Fox has dismantled everyone they’ve played on the way to a .354 team batting average and 2.42 team ERA. This team might not have any serious threats until Puget Sound near the end of March so expect their undefeated streak to continue. Hopefully, they’ll be prepared for their tough schedule come April.

Key Contributors:
SP Nick Bratney - 3-0, 1.29 ERA, but doing so without seemingly overpowering stuff. Only 6 SO in 21 innings and opponents are hitting .329 against.
SP Chris Albrecht – 3-0, 2.84 ERA
RP Nick Hedgecock – 1-0, 1.35 ERA, .143 against
Daniel Downs - .513 avg, .821 SLG,
Dan Wentzell - .486 avg, .800 SLG, .568 OBP
Drew Johnson - .425 avg, .500 OBP, 10-12 SB
And you can bet Bo Thunnel .333 will be in the mix at the end of the year as well.

Key Games: def. Cal Lutheran 6-3, def Redlands 12-2



4. UT Dallas 9-3 - Led by one of the most potent offensives in D3 baseball, this UTD team made it within one game of defeating TLU and representing the ASC in the region tournament last year.  Well that same offense minus one player is back, and despite seemingly mediocre pitching this team will contend for an ASC title again this year. They’re out to a 9-4 start despite a team ERA hovering over 6.00 and opponents hitting over .300 against. With UT Tyler not eligible for the playoffs, only Mississippi will challenge UTD for the East’s number one seed.

Key Contributors:
RF Trent Elizondo – .589 avg, 8 2B, .786 SLG, .619 OBP, 18 RBI
CF Mitch Elliot – .447 avg, 2 HR, .809 SLG, 17 RBI, 8-8 SB
2B Brett Rosen – .424 avg, 4 3B, .985 F%
RP/SP Tim Flasik – 1-0, 0.75 ERA, .150 against
SP/RP Andrew Hastings – 2-0, 3.94 ERA

Key Games: Took 2 of 3 from Trinity, Dropped 2 of 3 to McMurry, Swept Southwestern (2 games), Swept Hardin-Simmons (3 games) – impressive schedule thus far, and played well against it.



5. Texas Lutheran 11-3 - For a team that has been one win away from the West Region title two years in a row because of great pitching and solid defense, this team seems sketchy on both this year. While the INF is a different look, the staffs only significant loss was LHP Brian Wallace. This team is not hitting that great either so what makes Texas Lutheran not an average team. They know how to win and they have some sheer grit, get in the trenches and go to work for you type of team. It may be messy, but I have no doubt that Texas Lutheran is in the ASC mix when it's all said and done. They need not dwell on getting swept by a VERY GOOD UT Tyler team at home.

Key Contributors:
SS Jake Kaase - .447 avg, .542 OBP
1B Jason Foley - .407 avg, 6 2B
SP Daniel Besa - 3-0, 2.95 ERA, 22 SO, 21.1 IP, .256 against
RP Robert Conley - 1.00 ERA, 1 SV, .125 against
Also, RP Tom Hembree has yet to give up a hit in 5 IP
This team needs SPs Adam Enloe and Kyle Newman to get back to last years form.

Key Games: def. Southwestern 9-3, defeated Trinity 5-0, swept by UT Tyler (3 games)



6. Redlands 9-3 - Emerging as the #1 team in the SCIAC, the Redlands return nearly the whole team that was the #1 seed in the West Region tournament last year. This Redlands team evidently has a lot of depth judging by the way the games played and innings have been dispersed throughout thus far this year. There are definitely some whispers that the SCIAC isn't a very strong conference, but with many key players a year older, and playoff experience under their belt, don't take this team lightly by any stretch of the imagination. This team is tearing up the basepaths with 46 SB in 51 attempts.

Key Contributors:
Rob Sieffert - 2-0, 0.00 ERA, 11 SO in 11.1 IP, .135 against
Kyle Gardner - 1-1, 3.38 ERA/ hitting .438 at the plate
Rob Walker - 3-1, 3.54 ERA,
Ryan Garcia - .500
Matt Goldstein - .440, 5-5 SB
Also Billy LaVelle (.429, 6-7 SB), Kyle Rizzo (.409, 9-9 SB), and Luke Wetmore has 4 HRs

Key Games: def. Pac Lutheran 7-2, lost to George Fox 2-9, lost to Linfield 6-9, def Cal Baptist 3-2, lost to Chapman 5-16


7. Trinity 5-5 - Trinity hasn't been able to put it all together yet this year, and have lost two more games against good competition since these rankings have come out. The offense has been a little worse than I expected with only Vera, C Teddy Wilson and 2B Steven Ramos swinging it very well. The pitching hasn't been very good at all with Britton Horn and at times Drew Bignall throwing like TU would expect from this deep pitching staff. That said, if this pitching staff comes around like it's capable of (i.e. Bronson, Poffenroth and Oates picking it up), and Hunter and Hopkins maintaining the way they're throwing this team will still find it's way into the West Regional. Why?  Because they're going to dismantle everyone in the SCAC other than Millsaps, and be competitive in the SCAC tournament.

Key Contributors:
2B Steven Ramos - .478, .547 OBP, 3-5 SB
CF Nick Vera - .386, 2 HR, 14 RBI, .682 SLG, 6-6 SB
SP Drew Bignall - 1-0, 1.84 ERA, but opponents are hitting .332 w/ 3 bombs against
SP Britton Horn - 0-0, 2.18 ERA, .253 against
RP Ryan Hopkins - 1-0, 2.53 ERA, .256 against

Key Games: lost 2 of 3 to UT Dallas, lost to TLU 0-5, Hardin Simmons 5-10 and McMurry 2-4



8. McMurry 6-6 - This McMurry team has taken 2 of 3 from two ASC East playoff mainstays the last two weekends. In addition they beat a solid Trinity team (despite their horrid start). With Nick Schafer back from an injury that has kept him out the last two years and TR Cody Curry throwing well this is really a whole new look team on the bump and throughout the lineup. While some familiar faces (David, Vorhees, Cervantez and Casey) are back, McMurry has used 6 transfers and freshman Jake Jackson a lot in their new look starting lineup and they've probably played the toughest schedule to date in the country.  Look for this team to make a run at the ASC West, especially if they pitch like they did against Mississippi and not like they did against UT Dallas.

Key Contributors:
2B Weston Franco - .485, 2 HR, 12 RBI, .727 SLG, .526 OBP, F% 1000
3B/1B/LF Derek David - .411, 8 2B, .643 SLG
1B/DH Brent Vorhees - .296, 6 HR, 14 RBI,
SP/RP Clint Johnston 1-1, 2.20 ERA, 16 Ks in 16.1 IP, .233 against
SP Nick Schafer 3-0, 2.37 ERA, .232 against

Key Games: Virtually everyone on their schedule so far. Kudos to coach Lee Driggers for getting McMurry such a solid preseason schedule. Lost to UT Tyler 1-3, Lost 2 of 3 to Chapman, Lost to Southwestern 11-12, took 2 of 3 from UTD, took 2 of 3 from Mississippi College, def Trinity 4-2



9. East Bay 9-3 - This team made a decent showing last year at the West Regionals, but they also lost some key contributors from that team including the 2nd basemen (whose name currently escapes me that got drafted and was a HUGE spark plug). They're hitting only .287 as a team and they haven't played really tough competition yet, but ace Sean O'Dowd is leading the way on the mound. The teams' ERA is 3.07 and F% is .964 and that'll keep you in games. If this team scraps the same way they did last year and two Texas teams make it in again this year - you could feasibly see East Bay get a big this year as well.

Key Contributors:
C Mark Tuttle - .615, .923 SLG, .711 OBP,
RF Jesus Muela - .424, 2 HR, 14 RBI,
DH Michael Thomasson - .356, 2 HR, 13 RBI, 4-4 SB
SP Sean O'Dowd - 3-0, 1.37 ERA, 25 Ks in 26.1 IP, .196 against
SP Kyle Dunn - 2-1, 2.31 ERA
 RP Matthew Viera - 1-0, 3.38 ERA, 13 Ks in 8 IP, .207 against

Key Games: Eh. We'll go with def. La Verne 11-4, dropped two to Claremont Mudd Scripps 3-5, 7-8



10. Pac. Lutheran 9-3 - The Lutes have won 20+ games for three straight seasons and have made themselves a consistent contender in the NWC. I don't think they overtake GFU for the NWC Title, but two NWC teams got in two years ago and it seems as though Pac Lutheran may be stronger than Linfield this year (though it's too early to tell). This team isn't incredible on paper, though they are fielding at a .970 clip, but with the parity going on in the SCIAC it made more sense to include the Lutes than a Cal Lu team that dropped 2 of 3 to a Pomona team we can't tell much about just yet. Anyone that says early season rankings aren't purely speculation is a liar.

Key Contributors:
1B Jordan Post - .415, .529 OBP
LF Tyler Green - .351, 5 HR,
CF Ryan Thorne - .354, 7-7 SB
SP Joe DiPietro - 3-1, 2.67 ERA
SP Brett Brunner - 1-1, 2.87 ERA, .230 against

Key Games: Lost to Redlands 2-7, Lost to Cal Lutheran 1-7, def. La Verne 16-6, swept Menlo (3 games)




Others: Cal. Lutheran, Pomona Pitzer, Concordia

Note: Rankings do not include any games played after Sunday the 4th, but the statistics were of the day I did the actual write up for that respective team. Enjoy!  These will probably go to bi-weekly rankings as they take me so long to do when I write up this much, etc.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2007, 12:42:16 am
Please remember that UT-Tyler is a 4th year provisional member and is not eligible for the NCAA Playoffs.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 06, 2007, 07:43:37 am
...this team could challenge Chapman for west region supremacy if they were eligible for the playoffs this year. Okay, so that’s a pretty premature statement, but I feel like this team wins the ASC East by two games or more over UTD.

Hence that line in my analysis.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2007, 08:12:53 am
...this team could challenge Chapman for west region supremacy if they were eligible for the playoffs this year. Okay, so that’s a pretty premature statement, but I feel like this team wins the ASC East by two games or more over UTD.

Hence that line in my analysis.

Some_Guy
Thanks.  I appreciate your analysis.  +1
I think that they are that good, too.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 07, 2007, 09:23:09 am
I know this is going out on a limb, but UTT may be the best team in the nation as fas as d3 baseball goes and they are only going to get better.  If you haven't seen them play yet, you need to.  This is the most complete baseball team they've ever ahd there and they have a  couple of freshman who are just waiting in the wings to get some playing time.  The only thing that I see there hurting them is the fact that it looks like they may over recruit, which could come back to bite you down the road. 
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 08, 2007, 02:13:02 pm
I FINALLY finished the rankings that I started on Monday, complete with analysis, key contributors and key games.  Per usual, I'd love to hear feed back, discussion regarding the rankings. There should be some solid games this weekend so I might do a power rating type thing or do a top ten, but without all the analysis, etc.

Some_Guy
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: snoop dawg on March 08, 2007, 02:44:35 pm
Just Some Guy,

Obviously you are not ......just some guy.  That was a very insightful summary.  Thank you for  the time and effort in providng us with such great info.  I think you have correctly summarized Redlands as a team to be concerned with. 

I think over the next two years they will continue to improve and be considered one of the best in the west!
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 08, 2007, 06:10:32 pm
+1, Looks about right!

Marietta comes to Abilene next week for games with McMurry, HSU, UT-Dallas and Southwestern!
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 09, 2007, 11:00:36 am
Great analysis this week!

I'll be at the MC - UTT game tonight and then the LETU - LA College tomorrow.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 13, 2007, 02:32:52 pm
IF I would've done a poll this week, it would look something like this:

1. UT Tyler 16-0 - They're that good, they're that deep
2. Chapman 15-2 - They beat Tyler with Drag on the mound, other than that, I don't know
3. George Fox 12-0 - The class of the NWC
4. UT Dallas 12-5 - Ridiculous offensive numbers
5. McMurry 10-7 - Has played the toughest schedule of anyone in the west region bar none
6. Redlands 12-4 - Loss to Pomona keeps them from being #5
7. Texas Lutheran 13-4-1 - Pitching/Defense have been poor
8. Pomona Pitzer 12-5 - Big weekend at Calif Invit Tournament
9. Cal St. East Bay 11-5 - I don't think this record against this schedule will get them a bid this year
10. Puget Sound 7-5 - 6-0 in the NWC including a sweep of Linfield

Others:
Concordia Austin 11-9 - Losses to Huston-Tilliton, and a vastly improving Schreiner team keep them out
Hardin Simmons 8-7 - Potent lineup, not much pitching thus far
Trinity 5-9 - I just can't justify putting them in with this record, they'll be back I believe
La College 14-6 - Quietly playing pretty good baseball in the ASC East, shadowed by Tyler/Dallas
Mississippi 8-11 - played decent this year, lots of talent, sweep to #1 UT Tyler means nothing
Pac Lutheran 10-5 - probably not as good as I originally thought
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 14, 2007, 11:20:24 am
UTT is just amazing.  I watched the Fri night drubbing of MC and I would agree with Just_Some's analysis that MC being swept by UTT means nothing.  They make plays....the hit the ball well....they get the bunt down....they throw a lot of strikes.  There was nothing MC could do.  I really though MC threw the ball well, it's just UTT had a lot of hits with 2 strikes.  They made nice plays all around the INF. 

I also think they may have the nicest D3 facility in this region. 
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 14, 2007, 12:33:57 pm
Concordia Austin probably plays the hardest non schedule of any D3 team in the conference. Texas Weslayen and Nationaly ranked Houston Baptist (NAIA) every year.

I remember playing opening up with TEXAS the year they won the national championship in 02 and playin Texas A&M Kingsville, and Lubbock Christian. Dont be deceived by their early record. And if im not mistaken. They are the only ASC team to be in the playoffs or tournament the last 5 years. And the only ASC team to make the World Series in Appleton Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2007, 12:48:50 pm
Concordia Austin probably plays the hardest non schedule of any D3 team in the conference. Texas Weslayen and Nationaly ranked Houston Baptist (NAIA) every year.

I remember playing opening up with TEXAS the year they won the national championship in 02 and playin Texas A&M Kingsville, and Lubbock Christian. Dont be deceived by their early record. And if im not mistaken. They are the only ASC team to be in the playoffs or tournament the last 5 years. And the only ASC team to make the World Series in Appleton Wisconsin.

Welcome to the board, Blackcat.

Just one point of clarification for your expectations come NCAA playoff time...

I have copied the Concordia schedule and stricken the games that have no value in the primary criteria used by the committee.


02/02/07 Fri Houston Baptist  HOME  L 2-5   
02/03/07 Sat Houston Baptist  HOME  L 3-7   
02/04/07 Sun Texas Wesleyan  HOME  W 6-4   
02/09/07 Fri Houston Baptist  Houston  L 0-10   
02/10/07 Sat Houston Baptist  Houston  L 2-3   
02/11/07 Sun Huston-Tillotson  HOME  W 6-5 
 
02/16/07 Fri Southwestern  HOME  W 11-0   
02/17/07 Sat Southwestern (DH)  Georgetown  L, W 3-4   6-3 
02/18/07 Sun Alumni  HOME  1 p.m.   
02/23/07 Fri East Texas Baptist University  HOME  W 4-2   
02/24/07 Sat East Texas Baptist (DH)  HOME  W, W 4-3  38-10 
02/25/07 Sun Huston-Tillotson  Downs Field  L 8-5   
03/02/07 Fri University of the Ozarks  Clarksville, AR  W 12-8   
03/03/07 Sat University of the Ozarks (DH)  Clarksville, AR  W/L 7-4  10-14  
03/05/07 Mon Huston-Tillotson  HOME  L 7-4   
03/09/07 Fri Schreiner  Kerrville, TX  W 14-7   
03/10/07 Sat Schreiner (DH)  Kerrville, TX  L/W 1-0  7-0 
03/13/07 Tue Concordia-Seward  HOME  Cancelled    
03/16/07 Fri Texas Lutheran  Seguin, TX  2 p.m.   
03/17/07 Sat Texas Lutheran (DH)  Seguin, TX  1 p.m.   
03/19/07 Mon Doane College  HOME  7 p.m.    
03/23/07 Fri Howard Payne  HOME  7 p.m.   
03/24/07 Sat Howard Payne (DH)  HOME  1 p.m.   
03/30/07 Fri Sul Ross State  Alpine, TX  7 p.m.   
03/31/07 Sat Sul Ross State  Alpine, TX  12 p.m.   
04/05/07 Thu Hardin Simmons  HOME  7 p.m.   
04/06/07 Fri Hardin-Simmons (DH)  HOME  1 p.m.   
04/13/07 Fri McMurry  Abilene  7 p.m.   
04/14/07 Sat McMurry (DH)  Abilene, TX  1 p.m.   
04/20/07 Fri University of Mary Hardin Baylor  HOME  7 p.m.   
04/21/07 Sat Mary Hardin-Baylor (DH)  HOME  1 p.m. 


Those 30 games are the only ones that the NCAA Handbook uses to evaluate CUA come playoff time, (and the ASC Post-season tourney games.)

Your West Region record is 6-3. :)

Concordia-Austin is the only ASC team to make it to the D3 World Series.  TLU, McMurry and Miss College have also made the NCAA playoffs.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: mideastfan on March 14, 2007, 01:04:14 pm
+1, Looks about right!

Marietta comes to Abilene next week for games with McMurry, HSU, UT-Dallas and Southwestern!

Marietta has beaten McMurry and UT-Dallas, and plays a split doubleheader today against HSU and Southwestern.  The competition is very good, and Marietta is holding their own during a "reloading"season.  Marietta never rebuilds, just reloads.  They lost 4 of their top 5 pitchers off last year's title team, but this year's squad is playing well so far.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: utilitycat17 on March 14, 2007, 01:31:35 pm
Concordia Austin probably plays the hardest non schedule of any D3 team in the conference. Texas Weslayen and Nationaly ranked Houston Baptist (NAIA) every year.


I would argue that McMurry plays a better non-conference schedule.  At the very least it is a more important schedule.  One game against Texas Wesleyan and losing four to Houston Baptist don't really make for a full schedule.  McMurry played 3 against Chapman winning 1.  They lost 3-1 to Tyler.  They also beat Trinity and lost by only 2 to Marietta.  Not to mention the games against the ASC East teams. 

I do have a side question though.  According to Concordia's schedule they played 4 games against Houston Baptist, however, according to Houston Baptist's schedule they played 6 games.  I would assume that one of the schedules is wrong, and I can't imagine Baptist making up 2 extra games out of thin air.  Is it just an oversite on Concordia's schedule or did the games not count for some reason.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 14, 2007, 05:52:40 pm
Marietta has beaten McMurry and UT-Dallas, and plays a split doubleheader today against HSU and Southwestern.  The competition is very good, and Marietta is holding their own during a "reloading"season.  Marietta never rebuilds, just reloads.  They lost 4 of their top 5 pitchers off last year's title team, but this year's squad is playing well so far.

Marietta did beat both McMurry and UT-Dallas and no doubt have a good team, but you also have to evaluate the situation. Granted, Marietta is playing only their 4th and 5th games of the year, but both ASC teams are coming off of 3 game sets over the weekend. Marietta needed 3 runs in the top of the 9th after facing McMurry's #4 pitcher; whereas, Marietta was throwing their #2 guy. Likewise, they were facing UT-Dallas' #4 versus their ace in Baumler. I'm not so much talking "down" to Marietta as much as I'm saying this McMurry team competed with a the #9 ranked team in the country with their #4 on the bump.

Merely something to think about.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 14, 2007, 11:00:02 pm
McMurry plays a really good schedule. That tournament usually brings some great northern teams to play in the warmer weather.

I didnt realize that the HBU series (NAIA) didnt count. Well hopefully they will make a stand in conference.






BTW I was saying Concordia is the only ASC team to make the world series in 02.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 14, 2007, 11:11:42 pm
McMurry plays a really good schedule. That tournament usually brings some great northern teams to play in the warmer weather.

I didnt realize that the HBU series (NAIA) didnt count. Well hopefully they will make a stand in conference.

BTW I was saying Concordia is the only ASC team to make the world series in 02.
Good evening, Blackcat.  (Mexia HS is the Blackcats!   ;)  )

Concordia has the chance to play some snow birds when they come for Spring Training.  Austin is an easy city for air connections.

I hope that CUA can bring some northern teams down, maybe share a series of games with UMHB and maybe Southwestern or Schreiner.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Bearkat00 on March 19, 2007, 03:11:09 pm

Good evening, Blackcat.  (Mexia HS is the Blackcats!   ;)  )

Pronounced Ma-hey-ya!  Not Mex-iya!  Thought I'd throw that out there!  ;)
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: utilitycat17 on April 02, 2007, 12:54:34 pm
Quote from: Spence on Today at 12:36:32 am
I know this is going to sound like I'm just trying to down the Texas teams, but I'm not all that convinced that UT Dallas is that good either.

Their best starting pitcher has an ERA of almost 5. Waggoner's probably better than that though. The others just give up too many baserunners, especially considering some of the competition they've had. They've given up double digit runs 8 times...yes they've won some of those but against regional-caliber competition that doesn't happen very often. They only managed six singles off Baumler, Knowlton and Eschbaugh.

I guess with their schedule as it is I don't know if I'll ever be sold on UT Tyler this season.

Quote from Ralph Turner
Spence, with our (Texas') relative isolation, I think it will take the conference Pool A bid making it deep or very deep into the playoffs to get a good idea of how strong the ASC is this year.

Trinity dropped 3 of 4 to Millsaps yesterday, another chink in the proverbial armor.  I think that your skepticism is well-founded. 

The above is from a thread in the national section.

Quote from Utilitycat On Feb 22.
"I'm just a little curious why everyone seems so sold on giving the Texas schools so much credit.  No one from Texas has done anything in the last 10 years.  The one time a team from Texas actually got to the World Series they were 2 and out, and they probably weren't the best from the west that year anyway; Pomona was probably the better team in 2002 and Chapman got screwed from the playoffs all together that year because of Dallas.  My point here is that every year there are numerous schools in Texas that get off to good starts, but it never amounts to anything.  I would be much more inclined to give credit to a school like Cal State East Bay who has a fairly good track record over the last few years.  They always seem to be right in the mix at the end of the year.  I would not discount the teams from the SCIAC so easily.  Although none of them are real national contenders, they all have the ability to win big games against anyone.  If East Bay lost to Claremont its could mean that Claremont is being undervalued.  It shouldn't make us undervalue East Bay.  If you look at the SCIAC over the last 10 or so years the top 5 teams have always been able to beat the best in the country.  Whittier has a pretty good history against Chapman, Eastern Connecticut never fairs well against the SCIAC, and the same could be said for Montclair State and other top eastern powers.   

I would also give more value to some of the NWC teams.  Especially George Fox and Linfield.  Both of those teams are very good every year.  Especially George Fox but not excluding Linfield.  Granted everyone seems to agree that George Fox is one of the top two teams in the region right now, but I would think Linfield deserves more credit in the early going than some of the more unproven teams from Texas.

All I am saying is that especially in D3 baseball history can tell us a lot, sometimes more than the present can.  The top teams in the nation are the same year in and year out.  The same tends to be the case at the regional level as well.  Until we get a little deeper into the season and the teams from Texas prove their worth a little more I'm not sold so many of them deserve such high praise." 
 

I don't usually agree with Spence, but where was my support when I questioned the validity of the strength in Texas a month ago. 

In the last poll there were only 2 Texas teams in the top 7 in the region.  Are we backing off the bandwagon because now we can actually see history repeating itself, or was it simply not wanting to argue with Spence because he can be a bit much at times.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2007, 12:44:14 am
Arrgghhhh, I lost my DSL connection about 90% into a long post!

No I am not backing off of my prediction.  I still thinik that the ASC is competitive, but it is not at the Elite level. In the 2005 and 2006 West Regionals, Chapman had to play 2 games on the last day versus TLU to win the last 2 regionals. 

In 2006, TLU only finished 1 game ahead of 4th place McMurry in the ASC-West...talk about competitive balance!

I don't like to talk about "ordinal" numbers in discussing rankings at this level.  Depending on who is pitching there is huge variation day to day.  A #25 may more accurately be described as #19-#32 and #26 may be more accurately described as #21-#30, if you know what I mean.

As for elite level conferences, that might be the NJAC and maybe the WIAC.  Does John McGraw have a New York region powerhouse that he likes?  Can we call the LEC a powerhouse conference?  I agree that there are quality programs that re-appear every year.

If the ASC champion knocks out the NWC champion in the tourney, I won't make the blanket statement that the ASC is stronger than the NWC.  I will concede that the NWC may have 3 strong programs out of 9.  I also believe that the ASC has 6 strong programs out of 15.  A 15-member conference makes for a competitive post-season tourney.

At the risk of mis-reading the SCIAC, this is my first seeding for the West Regional.

Chapman, Pool B, hosting, again.
PLU, NWC Pool A bid.
TLU, ASC Pool A bid, (too much pitching).
ULV, especially if they get past CLU, Pool A bid from the SCIAC.

Fly-in 2 more teams.

I am skeptical that CSU-EB gets an at-large this year.  I think that Millsaps wins the SCAC and goes to the Central bracket.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on April 03, 2007, 01:35:32 am
If anyone submitted a bit for it, I think the regional could go to Texas this year. There should only be 3 teams from west coast in it, so they could fly in those 3 and drive-in two. They did a lot more shuffling teams around than usual last year. If Millsaps were to get a Pool C berth and someone else won the SCAC (especially if it were a TX school), then maybe the regional would go to Texas.

Maybe I'm just hoping.

I think CUA might still be a factor for the ASC. Will be interested to see how they do against Hardin-Simmons and McMurry. I was originally thinking that the SCAC entry could go to the Central, but it could just as easily go to the West, I guess.

The NJAC is a cut above as far as power conferences go. IMO if you win the NJAC, you are good enough to win the national title. It doesn't mean you will, but it means you have the ability to do so.

In the next tier IMO are the LEC, WIAC because if you win those leagues you've got a team clearly capable of winning a regional and doing well at the Series. The Dixie, with the OAC and the MIAC are not far below that. The SCIAC has also put more than one team in the Series, albeit not really lately. I think the ASC is probably in about the same category as the SCIAC -- some competitive programs that haven't often been good enough lately to win the region (though Chapman might have somethign to do with that).

It would be great if someone were to do power ratings for D-III in part to see how our perceptions of the best conferences matched up to reality, as well as for evaluating seedings.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2007, 02:14:45 am
Thanks Spence!  I am glad to read your assessment of power conferences.

ASC-West schedule

Team/record/April 5-6/April 13-14/ April 20-21

TLU    10-1 /  UMHB/ at SRSU/ Schreiner
UMHB 9-3 / at TLU/Schreiner/at CUA
CUA   8-4 / HSU/at McM/ UMHB
McM   8-4 / Schreiner/CUA/at HPU
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on April 03, 2007, 10:39:20 am
I know that the NCAA cannot afford to do it this way, but it seems to me that the #1 regional seeds should get to either host the regional or decide where it is played. I have nothing against Chapman(Have they been the #1 seed every year?) hosting at Hart Park every year as it is a great ballpark, but it would be nice for someone else to get a shot to host it.

I know that in 2005 Carthage was the #1 seed in the Central region and had to drive to Mississippi College to play the regional. What type of reward is an 18-hour bus ride for a #1 seed? Or maybe the regional locations should be pre-determined (Minor league parks, D1 college parks, etc...) and have a school listed as the host school taking care of the behind the scenes work like Oshkosh and Lawrence do every year for the World Series in Appleton.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on April 03, 2007, 01:42:09 pm
I know that the NCAA cannot afford to do it this way, but it seems to me that the #1 regional seeds should get to either host the regional or decide where it is played. I have nothing against Chapman(Have they been the #1 seed every year?) hosting at Hart Park every year as it is a great ballpark, but it would be nice for someone else to get a shot to host it.

I know that in 2005 Carthage was the #1 seed in the Central region and had to drive to Mississippi College to play the regional. What type of reward is an 18-hour bus ride for a #1 seed? Or maybe the regional locations should be pre-determined (Minor league parks, D1 college parks, etc...) and have a school listed as the host school taking care of the behind the scenes work like Oshkosh and Lawrence do every year for the World Series in Appleton.

I kind of think the latter is what the NCAA is trying to work toward. Marietta hasn't hosted a regional in a while and it's beginning to look like they want more neutral sites to host it. But then they put it at Washington U. for some reason (yes I know the stated reason, doesn't mean I buy it), so go figure. Then there's Chapman. If it were back in the day when it was common for #1 seeds to host, then fine, Hart Park is as good a site as any. But when the rules seem to be different for different regions and team, then I think that's not good. It's more not good IMO in the West region where several teams are going to be a very long distance from home.

I'm fully aware of the possible perception of hypocrisy on this with regards to my loyalty to Marietta. Like I said, that was then, and it was common for schools with adequate facilities to host, and Marietta was one of the very few at that time that did have adequate facilities in the region. There are more now, but still few among the top programs that would actually be a home draw.

But with Auburn and Colonie being used in New York, Harwich in NE, Boyertown in M-A, the wheel of SALLY League parks in the South...it seems the effort is to get the regionals to neutral sites. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Chillicothe, OH host the Mideast regional sometime soon.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on April 03, 2007, 01:51:27 pm
I know that the NCAA cannot afford to do it this way, but it seems to me that the #1 regional seeds should get to either host the regional or decide where it is played. I have nothing against Chapman(Have they been the #1 seed every year?) hosting at Hart Park every year as it is a great ballpark, but it would be nice for someone else to get a shot to host it.

I know that in 2005 Carthage was the #1 seed in the Central region and had to drive to Mississippi College to play the regional. What type of reward is an 18-hour bus ride for a #1 seed? Or maybe the regional locations should be pre-determined (Minor league parks, D1 college parks, etc...) and have a school listed as the host school taking care of the behind the scenes work like Oshkosh and Lawrence do every year for the World Series in Appleton.

I kind of think the latter is what the NCAA is trying to work toward. Marietta hasn't hosted a regional in a while and it's beginning to look like they want more neutral sites to host it. But then they put it at Washington U. for some reason (yes I know the stated reason, doesn't mean I buy it), so go figure. Then there's Chapman. If it were back in the day when it was common for #1 seeds to host, then fine, Hart Park is as good a site as any. But when the rules seem to be different for different regions and team, then I think that's not good. It's more not good IMO in the West region where several teams are going to be a very long distance from home.

I'm fully aware of the possible perception of hypocrisy on this with regards to my loyalty to Marietta. Like I said, that was then, and it was common for schools with adequate facilities to host, and Marietta was one of the very few at that time that did have adequate facilities in the region. There are more now, but still few among the top programs that would actually be a home draw.

But with Auburn and Colonie being used in New York, Harwich in NE, Boyertown in M-A, the wheel of SALLY League parks in the South...it seems the effort is to get the regionals to neutral sites. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Chillicothe, OH host the Mideast regional sometime soon.

In the past you had to bid for the regional. I am not sure if you still do today. I think the NCAA needs to have set criteria to host, whether it be the #1 seed or top facility of the teams in the region or even a neutral site. I just think it is too subjective to leave until the last minute to announce where it is being played.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on April 03, 2007, 02:11:13 pm
Well I know some of the sites are classified as predetermined sites (most of them, actually), but I think there still has to be a bid put in by a regional school or conference to act as the host.

Even if the West isn't predetermined, I would have to think there would be some countermomentum against Chapman hosting again this year, even if they are the #1 seed. With probably only 3 teams coming from the Pacific Time Zone (and one of those flying regardless of where the regional is, unless it's in Oregon), this seems like a good year for it to be possible. The thing that might keep it from happening is the virtual certainty that schools are going to have to be sent west to fill the Central region. Normally the natural thing to do would be to have Millsaps/Rhodes go north to fill those spots, but they might be forced to go west and have teams from further east go to the Central. Both the West and Central look to be short teams this year, which to me increases the likelihood that the West Regional will be in Texas.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 03, 2007, 02:46:04 pm
I have nothing against Chapman(Have they been the #1 seed every year?) hosting at Hart Park every year as it is a great ballpark, but it would be nice for someone else to get a shot to host it.

Last year the Redlands (0-2) was the #1 seed going into the West Region.  They did not have lights at their field. Texas Lutheran does not have lights at their field either.  I had heard that Trinity might've tried to put in a bid last year, but I think it more or less went to Chapman by default.  The West does look short on teams this year.  It might be a four team regional again with Chapman and the winner of the three West conferences.  I just can't really see Trinity or Cal State East Bay getting bids out there this year. MAYBE the ASC gets a pool C bid, but where would the 6th team come from?
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on April 03, 2007, 02:50:50 pm
Spence-

One factor in the Central Region has to be the CCIW. If Carthage wins the CCIW (which I think they will) and Augustana finishes with a great record, you have to assume that both get in (Not counting the 31-10 Augie teams left out last year). Mix in the IIAC winner (Wartburg), SLIAC winner (Webtser?) and the NATHcon winner(Pool B... most likely Aurora) and possibly Washington U  (UAA  team with a great record and based in St. Louis in the Central Region), and that leaves one spot open in the Central Region for a team like Millsaps to be pushed north into the Central Region.

The restructuring of conferences (NIAC and LMC becoming the NATHcon)certainly changes things in BOTH the Central and the Midwest. More teams added into the Central region by leaving the Midwest region. It should make for a great run for the bids in early May.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2007, 03:29:30 pm
IMHO, there may a given number of conferences in the Evaluation Regions, but I think that the "500-mile bus ride rule" is more significant in seeding the brackets.

The NAthCon will give us one Pool A bid (essentially the former LMC's bid) and give us several more numbers in the numerator towards a Pool C bid, at the expense of Pool B.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on April 03, 2007, 03:45:29 pm
I thought the NATHcon was still a Pool B this year. It really changes things if they are a Pool A.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2007, 03:55:06 pm
I thought the NATHcon was still a Pool B this year. It really changes things if they are a Pool A.
They are for 2007 and 2008.  Sorry for the confusion.  ;)
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on April 03, 2007, 05:31:34 pm
Spence-

One factor in the Central Region has to be the CCIW. If Carthage wins the CCIW (which I think they will) and Augustana finishes with a great record, you have to assume that both get in (Not counting the 31-10 Augie teams left out last year). Mix in the IIAC winner (Wartburg), SLIAC winner (Webtser?) and the NATHcon winner(Pool B... most likely Aurora) and possibly Washington U  (UAA  team with a great record and based in St. Louis in the Central Region), and that leaves one spot open in the Central Region for a team like Millsaps to be pushed north into the Central Region.

The restructuring of conferences (NIAC and LMC becoming the NATHcon)certainly changes things in BOTH the Central and the Midwest. More teams added into the Central region by leaving the Midwest region. It should make for a great run for the bids in early May.

Right now I don't see a Nathcon team being good enough to get a Pool B. The best record right now belongs to Concordia IL at 12-6-1 with two wins over Juniata, one over Mount Union and a split of Edgewood "highlighting" their resume. The Concordias h ave played bottom rung teams to tkae the early lead...almost everyone else has a mediocre record and is bunched up in the conference.

Of course Edgewood beat Washington. Washington hasn't proven a lot either (went 1-3 against not Case Western in Florida) but unless they're just not good at all should end up with no more than 10 losses. So that would probably get them in.

Even if the CCIW gets two, which there's still a LONG ways to go in that, if the Nathcon doesn't get anyone, they're still one short. And you mentioned that the Midwest would be shortened as well as they wouldn't have the LMC autobid. It's down to Minnesota, Wisconsin and the Midwest Conf. The WIAC will almost surely get two. St. Scholastica will probably be there. They're still one short (unless Minny gets two).

So this is basically what I'm seeing:
West -- Chapman, George Fox, TLU, SCIACica. East Bay played Chapman pretty well but still only took 1 and at 14-10, I think they have work to do. Even if you count East Bay, they're one short if a Texas team doesn't win the SCAC.

Central -- Washington (I suppose), CCIW, Iowa, St. Louey, Augustana (for the sake of illustration. They're going to be one short unless someone in the Nathcon steps on the gas in a hurry. They could very well be two short.

Midwest -- WIAC I and II, Minnesota, St. Scholastica, Midwest. They're one short unless a second Minnesota team emerges or the WIAC gets 3.

South -- Salisbury, York, ODAC, Dixie, good chance of a Dixie II, possibly Millsaps, Rhodes, Huntingdon, or Maryville. They could be over by 2 if all of them get in, maybe 3 if someone upsets in the ODAC and Va. Wesleyan gets in.

Huntingdon or Maryville would present some interesting challenges the committee hasn't really dealt with before.


On another topic, we may have gotten a glimpse of our answer re: Chapman and Yacko. In the 3-game set at CSU-EB, Yacko relieved in all three games; Luzar started Game 3.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on April 04, 2007, 12:46:10 pm
I do have a side question though.  According to Concordia's schedule they played 4 games against Houston Baptist, however, according to Houston Baptist's schedule they played 6 games.  I would assume that one of the schedules is wrong, and I can't imagine Baptist making up 2 extra games out of thin air.  Is it just an oversite on Concordia's schedule or did the games not count for some reason.

Concordia plays several "junior varsity" games against (mostly) junior colleges during the course of the season, with most coming early on. Those games count for the juco but not for us. Each weekend against HBU, there were three games played. Two were "varsity" for CUA and one was "JV", so only two counted for us but all three counted for HBU.

And no, I don't know why we don't count them and HBU does, I just know that's why there's a discrepancy.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2007, 04:53:56 pm
I do have a side question though.  According to Concordia's schedule they played 4 games against Houston Baptist, however, according to Houston Baptist's schedule they played 6 games.  I would assume that one of the schedules is wrong, and I can't imagine Baptist making up 2 extra games out of thin air.  Is it just an oversite on Concordia's schedule or did the games not count for some reason.

Concordia plays several "junior varsity" games against (mostly) junior colleges during the course of the season, with most coming early on. Those games count for the juco but not for us. Each weekend against HBU, there were three games played. Two were "varsity" for CUA and one was "JV", so only two counted for us but all three counted for HBU.

And no, I don't know why we don't count them and HBU does, I just know that's why there's a discrepancy.

NAIA versus NCAA is my first thought.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 04, 2007, 11:21:13 pm
I know that in 2005 Carthage was the #1 seed in the Central region and had to drive to Mississippi College to play the regional. What type of reward is an 18-hour bus ride for a #1 seed?

This is more than 500 miles. Should be a flight by NCAA rules.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on April 05, 2007, 09:19:12 am
Did King's fly to Terre Haute last year? That's over 500 miles as well. I'm not implying they didn't, just asking.

Correction/redux to a previous post. I read yesterday night that Pac Lu swept George Fox, so they would be in the driver's seat in the northwest for the bid out west. It's IMO too early to tell if GFU would get a Pool C...a lot probably depends on how they do when they go south later this month.

Wasn't a significant part of the reason why Washington U. hosted last year because of the distance from Millsaps to there vs. other possible host sites? With IWU not being in the field, I was thinking that was a significant consideration.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on April 05, 2007, 01:37:41 pm
I know that in 2005 Carthage was the #1 seed in the Central region and had to drive to Mississippi College to play the regional. What type of reward is an 18-hour bus ride for a #1 seed?

This is more than 500 miles. Should be a flight by NCAA rules.

I have no idea why, but they took a bus for the trip.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on April 05, 2007, 08:58:11 pm
Maybe Augie pocketed the difference? :) JUST KIDDING.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2007, 10:10:45 pm
Maybe Augie pocketed the difference? :) JUST KIDDING.

 :D :D ;)

Or they took the money to the Casinos in Vicksburg!  ;)
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on April 05, 2007, 10:29:23 pm
Much better casinos in Tunica and Biloxi though, right?

I'll probably be finding out first hand about the Biloxi ones in the next couple months lol.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2007, 11:06:08 pm
Much better casinos in Tunica and Biloxi though, right?

I'll probably be finding out first hand about the Biloxi ones in the next couple months lol.

Yeah, but you can slip over to Vicksburg from Jackson, during a rain-delay!  ;) :D
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on April 05, 2007, 11:22:57 pm
Touche.

First thing to open back up in Biloxi other than Keesler after jimmycane Katrina was the Beau Rivage.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 07, 2007, 01:12:15 am
With George Fox splitting with Linfield last night, they give some more breathing room to Pac Lutheran. Does the NWC still not have a tournament and just send their regular season champion? If Pac Lutheran wins the NWC, and GFU doesn't lose much more do they have a legitimate shot an at-large bid?

Do any of the ASC teams have a chance at an at-large bid if they don't win teh conference tournament?

How's the SCIAC work? tournament? Any chance for a bid for a team that doesn't win the tournament?
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 07, 2007, 10:59:54 am
With George Fox splitting with Linfield last night, they give some more breathing room to Pac Lutheran. Does the NWC still not have a tournament and just send their regular season champion? If Pac Lutheran wins the NWC, and GFU doesn't lose much more do they have a legitimate shot an at-large bid?

Do any of the ASC teams have a chance at an at-large bid if they don't win teh conference tournament?

How's the SCIAC work? tournament? Any chance for a bid for a team that doesn't win the tournament?
I don't think that either conference has a tourney.  If that is the case, then GFU needs to sweep the CSU-East Bay series and win 2 out of 3 from Chapman for their best chance at a Pool C bid, (IMHO).

When you are going for an at-large bid, you are competing with so many other really good teams, and a few great teams that were upset in their conference tourneys.

I count an in-region record of 16-5 for GFU with 13 West Region games to play as of this morning.  Winning 12 of 13 gives them a 28-6 West Region record.

Thanks for bringing up that question. :)
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 07, 2007, 11:04:02 am
PLU can finish with a West Region record of 28-5.  They have had a strong recovery from going 1-3 in the Anthem AZ series vs SCIAC teams in February.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on April 07, 2007, 11:46:07 am
But wouldn't they be going against the national pool for a Pool C? Region record would matter as far as putting them at the head of the line for the west region, but it wouldn't necessarily get them in, correct?

 
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 07, 2007, 12:25:16 pm
But wouldn't they be going against the national pool for a Pool C? Region record would matter as far as putting them at the head of the line for the west region, but it wouldn't necessarily get them in, correct?
Yes, I am being very conservative on the Region Winning Percentage, games against Ranked teams, Quality of Wins Index and other criteria.

I have not calculated the in-region winning percentages from last year's Pool C bids (http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/NCAAChampionship/2006/Regionals/participants.html).  I think that GFU's having a winning record against Chapman, the SCIAC champ (whoever that is) and gives them a good chance.

We always see strong contingents from New Jersey and New England.  Last year was the first year of Pool C in the expanded format.  I am not ready to post the bubble.

(Also, this site has not had the chance for Jim to get full use of the tools that Pat has been building.  Getting access to up-to-date scores will be the next big addition, but working with 350 SIDs is a logistical challenge.   :) )
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 07, 2007, 12:31:32 pm
Coming Today... Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings...
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on April 07, 2007, 12:33:52 pm
Yes, sadly I'm all too aware lol. I tried getting a friend of mine to do power rankings for D-III that he does for D-I. Problem was for him to do them well he would have needed D-III, D-II and NAIA because of all the cross-divisional games. He didn't want to just do D-III.

If the conferences would update their sites in a timely manner (The Dixie Conference is great on this front) then it would be a big help.

Agree that it's WAY too early for the bubble...two weeks ago people were talking about Augustana being on top of the Central region...today they're 4th in the CCIW.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 07, 2007, 12:38:26 pm
Spence, let me think about my opinion of this week's West Region rankings.

I think that we could make a case for:

1)  Chapman
2)  PLU
3)  Texas Lutheran (I will defer to my friends in the NWC.)
4)  GFU
5)  LaVerne(plays Cal Lu on Apr 20-21 (http://www.thesciac.org/sports/bsb/2006-07/schedule))
6)  Cal Lu
7)  UT-Dallas
8 ) UMHB

Looking forward to your rankings, Some Guy!  :)
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 07, 2007, 12:42:12 pm
1. UT-Tyler 30-0 – I know they’re not eligible for the post season and that’s why they were left off of the national poll, but a 30-0 start including sweeps of Texas Lutheran and UT Dallas makes this team deserving of the #1 spot in the west region, and the #1 spot in the nation. The offense is relentless top to bottom and they probably have more depth on the mound than any division III team this year. They’re hitting .377 as a team and their team ERA is 2.84

Key Contributors:
SS Kendall Fox - .478 avg, .639 OBP, 37 BBs, 9-9 SB
3B Joseph Towns - .440 avg, 11 2B, 28 RBI
1B Brett Amyx - .385 avg, 9 HR, 45 RBI
SP Ryan Campbell – 6-0, 3.14 ERA, 51 Ks in 51.2 IP
RP Nate Jennings – 2-0, 4 SV, 0.00 ERA, 37 Ks in 18.2 IP, 0.68 avg against

Key Games: def McMurry 3-1, swept Texas Lutheran & UT-Dallas in 3 game series



2. Chapman 25-4 – No surprise here either. It’s hard to pick against a team that has dominated the West Region the last few years.  They have maintained that status with their only West region losses coming to McMurry and East Bay. They’ve marched through the SCIAC so far this year and played very well against ranked teams coming over from the east coast for Spring Break. With Drag, Kitchens and Yacko on the bump they’re TOUGH to beat.

Key Contributors:
SP Devin Drag – 10-0, 2.28 ERA, 2 SV, 72Ks in 71 IP (ouch 71 IP), .238 avg against
3B/RP/SP Kurt Yacko - .421 avg, 5 HR, 32 RBI, 5 SBs
                                  - 3-1, 1.70 ERA, 6 SV, 69 Ks in 53 IP, .211 avg against
SS Ryan Cavan - .391 avg, .510 OBP, 31 BB/HBP, 11 SB
SP Wayde Kitchens – 7-1, 2.47 ERA, 71 Ks in 65.2 IP, 3 CG, .205 avg against
OF Tyler Dean - .324 avg, 4 HR, 23 RBI, 9 SBs
 
Key Games:
Swept Cal Lutheran
Swept La Verne
2 of 3 from McMurry
2 of 3 from East Bay
2 of 3 from Kean (#7)
Def. Redlands 16-5, 8-6
Def. Pomona  11-4
Def. Montclair State 10-6
Def. Ithaca College 5-3 (RV)



3. Texas Lutheran – 25-5-1  - I am going TLU here over Pac Lutheran because they’ve been there the past two years and are a battle tested squad. Also, I’m still a little leery of Pac Lutheran’s struggles with the SCIAC early in the year. I had dropped them (TLU) down last time I ranked them, but they’re scrappy and have found ways to win. They’re atop of what I think is a very tough conference especially with the emergence of UMHB as a solid team.

Key Contributors:
SS Jacob Kaase - .451 avg, 12 2B, 37 RBI, .526 OBP, 5 SBs
SP Daniel Besa – 7-0, 5.23 ERA – hasn’t been pretty but workhorse of a good staff
RP Robert Conley – 2-0, 4 SV, 0.69 ERA, .165 avg against
OF Ryan Nokelby - .356 avg, 33 R, 10 2B, 8 SBs
2B Scott Matocha - .343 avg, 9 SBs, .976 F%
Also, keep an eye on SP Adam Enloe who has given up 1 ER in his last 20 IP

Key Games:  swept by UT Tyler, swept McMurry, swept Concordia in 3 game series, also defeated Trinity and Southwestern (neither of which are having a particularly good year).



4. Pacific Lutheran – 23-6 – First the SCIAC beat up on them in AZ, then Linfield took two out of three and I started to write off the Lutes, but then they went on a run and swept #5 George Fox. With plenty of senior leadership and George Fox dropping another conference game this weekend to Linfield Pacific Lutheran is in command of the NWC (which doesn’t have a conference tournament). Might we see a new representative from the NWC in the West Region playoffs this year?

Key Contributors:
SP Joe DiPietro – 7-1, 1.62 ERA, .230 avg against
SP Brett Brunner – 4-2, 1.92 ERA, .247 avg against
1B Jordan Post - .333 avg, 3 HR, 23 RBI
CF Ryan Thorne - .292 avg, 23 SBs

Key Games: Swept George Fox in a 3 game series, Lost 2 of 3 to Linfield, Lost to Redlands 2-7, Lost to Cal Lutheran 1-7, def La Verne 16-6



5. George Fox – 20-5 – I agree with Ralph in that GFU pretty much has to win out in the NWC and take 5 of 6 from East Bay/Chapman to warrant an at large bid if Pac Lutheran wins the NWC over them.  That said, Pac Luth COULD drop three NWC games IF GFU wins out, but getting swept might’ve cost them their West region regional chances. Still a VERY dangerous team with a filthy top of the lineup. You can’t tell from the stats but this team might be hindered by bullpen depth., though it was the starting pitching that was touched up by Pacific Lutheran, hard to say.

Key Contributors:
1B Bryan Donohue - .442 avg, 31 R
OF Dan Wentzell - .407 avg, 6 HR, 38 RBI, .513 OBP, 6 SB
OF Daniel Downs - .385 avg, 3 HR, 25 RBI, 7 SB
OF Drew Johnson - .358 avg, 18 SBs
3B Bo Thunnel - .333 avg, 3 HR, 31 RBI
Bratney, Langeliers,  & Albrecht all deserve a mention with respectable ERAs and average against. I just think that this team is one that is more dependent on the top of that order than on the bump.
 
Key Games: swept by Pacific Lutheran, split w/ Linfield (3rd game today), def. Redlands 12-2, def. Cal Lutheran 6-3, def La Verne 12-3



6. UT Dallas – 23-9 – Not a great pitching team, but it’s tough to ignore this UT Dallas team that will easily be the ASC East’s #1 seed.  #29 in the country, this team is hitting at the .362 clip, with 37 home runs on the year. Perhaps La Verne or another SCIAC team (or both) deserve this spot over UT Dallas, but with the way the SCIAC teams are beating up on each other it’s hard to tell until all of that shakes out. (That’s my excuse anyhow). Unlike, Hardin-Simmons, this team has ENOUGH pitching to keep it close until they’re ready to out slug you. At this point, unless they win the ASC I don’t see them being able to get an at-large birth though; therefore, you’ll probably see one or two SCIAC teams ahead of them for the next period.

Key Contributors:
OF Trent Elizondo - .455, 13 2B, 32 RBI, .513 OBP
2B Brett Rosen - .431, 47 R, 6 HR, 34 RBI, 4 SB, .701 SLG %
SS Jake Jackson - .411, 11 2B, 40 RBI, 4 SB
OF Mitch Elliot - .381, 42 R, 9 HR, 36 RBI, 17 SB
C Matt Putman - .380, 9 HR, 40 RBI,
Also, starter Damien Chelakis is 7-2 despite a pretty high ERA and avg. against.
RPs Tim Flasik and Jay Johnson have pitched pretty well and combined for 6 saves

Key Games: took 2 of 3 from Trinity, both from Southwestern (again these have less merit now), swept Hardin-Simmons, swept Louisiana College, swept by Tyler, lost to Marietta 1-8


7. La Verne 15-14 – Pretty mediocre record for a team ranked this high, but they earn this spot because of the way they have played in SCIAC play. Their series against Cal Lutheran could very well decide the SCIAC champion. They took 2 of 3 from Pomona and 2 of 3 from Redlands though and are sitting atop the SCIAC. That said they haven’t played all that well outside of conference and I’m not convinced this team could have much success in the West Regional. The team ERA is 5.54 and unlike a team like UTD who is hitting the cover off the ball La Verne is only hitting .317 as a team.

Key Contributors:
OF Brad Licher - .408 avg, 4 HR, .746 SLG %,
OF Kyle Johnson - .391 avg, 24 R, 23 RBI, .482 OBP, 5 SBs
3B Trevor Boucher - .390 avg, 24 RBI
SP Mark Simmons – 6-1, 3.61 ERA, .258 against

Key Games: swept by Chapman, 2 of 3 from Redlands, 2 of 3 from Pomona, L to Ithaca 4-14, L to East Bay 4-11, L to Linfield 7-11, L to George Fox 3-12, L to Pac Lutheran 6-16



8. Pomona Pitzer – 19-9 – So what’s the difference between Pomona and the Redlands?  Well Pomona has won both of the games they have played vs. the Redlands going into the DH today. Both teams still have quite a bit of SCIAC games left after today, BUT Pomona’s schedule seems easier, giving them the better chance to overtake La Verne if indeed someone manages to do so. Pomona is another team really in need of another starting pitcher, but they do swing it pretty well. The Sagehens aren’t out of it yet.

Key Contributors:
OF/SP Zachary Mandleblatt - .446 avg, 12 2B, 6 HR, 38 RBI, .504 OBP, 4 SBs
                                              - 4-1, 4.60 ERA, 2 SV
1B Drew Hedman - .408 avg, 10 HR, 36 RBI, .786 SLG %, .500 OBP
SP Ton Dunlap – 6-1, 3.88 ERA
OF Clayton Leonard - .373 avg

Key Games: Lost 2 of 3 to La Verne, defeated the Redlands twice (2 more today), defeated East Bay 7-6, took 2 of 3 from Cal Lutheran

9. McMurry - 18-14 - This is a team that played great baseball all year until Texas Lutheran swept them.  They rebounded well taking 2 of 3 from a very good UMHB team, but then dropped 2 of 3 to Schreiner, dropping them to 3rd in the ASC West. The guys on the bump had been filthy for most of the year, but are starting to show a little vulnerability now. With a lot of different guys that can swing it though, this McMurry team has the tools to make a run come ASC tournament time.

Key Contributors:
2B Weston Franco - .434, 7 HR, 34 RBI, .707 SLG %
3B Derek David - .373, 35 R, 4 HR, 33 RBI,
1B Brent Vorhees - .365, 38 R, 12 HR, 38 RBI, .730 SLG %
SP Nich Schaffer - 6-0, 3.92 ERA, (including a nice win against Chapman)
SP Cody Curry - 5-2, 3.91 ERA

Key Games: swept by TLU, swept HSU, 2 of 3 from UMHB, lost 2 of 3 to Chapman, lost to UT Tyler 1-3, took 2 of 3 from UT Dallas, lost 5-7 to Marietta (their #4 against Etta's #2)



Others Receiving Votes are: Linfield (14-11), Cal Lutheran (17-9), Mary-Hardin Baylor (16-14), East Bay (14-11), Redlands (20-11) and Louisiana College (20-12)...

Redlands was going to be tied with McMurry at the #9 spot, but after Pomona swept them I don't think they're a ranked team anymore dropping to fourth in the SCIAC. It would probably bump Pomona ahead of a La Verne team that has a tougher remaining schedule. I chose to not rank Cal Lutheran because they dropped 2 of 3 to Pomona and also 2 of three to Oxy and still have both the Redlands and Pomona left. I think the SCIAC champion will be Pomona Pitzer when it's all said and done.

I haven't been able to find the results of the final Linfield/GFU game, but either way Linfield is pretty far back from Pac Lutheran with not that many NWC games remaining and so I couldn't justify putting them in the rankings with them likely out of the hunt.

I didn't rank UMHB because they lost two of three to a McMurry team that I still believe to bet the better of those two teams.  McMurry has better pitching (though neither have a whole lot of depth out of the pen) and I believe McMurry is the better offensive team as well.

Hope you enjoyed this time around!

Some_Guy






       
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 07, 2007, 12:42:32 pm
The ASC has been updating regularly this season.  (Thanks, Greg!)

It is posted as a pdf file on the baseball page (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/m-baseball/sporthome.htm).
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on April 07, 2007, 12:48:42 pm
Spence, let me think about my opinion of this week's West Region rankings.

I think that we could make a case for:

1)  Chapman
2)  PLU
3)  Texas Lutheran (I will defer to my friends in the NWC.)
4)  GFU
5)  LaVerne(plays Cal Lu on Apr 20-21 (http://www.thesciac.org/sports/bsb/2006-07/schedule))
6)  Cal Lu
7)  UT-Dallas
8 ) UMHB

Looking forward to your rankings, Some Guy!  :)

That all makes pretty good sense. Wouldn't be surprised if in actuality Linfield wasn't better than UT Dallas or UMHB, but not sure how that would ever be proven. Linfield's 14-7 against a strong D-III schedule though, but their losses to Puget Sound are just killers. East Bay's a wildcard as well, but those are probably the only two that aren't included that could realistically be.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 07, 2007, 09:51:18 pm
Rankings are complete, just a few messages up.  I just post this so it will show a new message as I have just been editing the above message as I add teams, but the list is complete this time! Enjoy! Per usual, discussion is always welcomed/encouraged.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on April 07, 2007, 10:18:20 pm
So basically we're looking at the only shot at a Pool C being George Fox (unless TX Lu loses the ASC tournament) and the only real shot at a Pool B being East Bay.

Chapman, ASC, SCIAC, Pac Lu with TX Lu, GFU and East Bay possibilities for non automatics, probably in that order.

Btw, saw your note on McMurry with the pitching breakdown...did you do that for all of everyone's losses? And who is Marietta's #2? I'm hoping you know, because I don't, and I don't think coach Brewer really does either right now. So if you do, email coach Brewer and tell him so we don't lose 16-3 anymore.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 07, 2007, 10:28:04 pm
Btw, saw your note on McMurry with the pitching breakdown...did you do that for all of everyone's losses? And who is Marietta's #2? I'm hoping you know, because I don't, and I don't think coach Brewer really does either right now. So if you do, email coach Brewer and tell him so we don't lose 16-3 anymore.

I don't recall why I had done that Spence. I usually do not, no.  I believe I was trying to justify the legitimacy of McMurry earlier to someone and stated that they had played that game really close depsite facing Marietta's #2 at the time (Merryman). He actually leads the team in starts and IP now despite having the 4th highest ERA of the four guys with regular starts. Vorhees is actually probably McMurry's #5 with only 5 appearances and 2 starts all year and an ERA over 9.00.

I agree with your assessment in that GFU seems to have a slim chance at a Pool C bid if they win nearly all the remainder of their games. I feel like Texas Lutheran might be a possibility if they lose (but play relatively well and go deep) into the ASC tournament. I don't know much about Pool B bids to know if East Bay is deserving of one (or will). Do you think Pac Lutheran would be seeded behind both TLU and the SCIAC champ?

Some_Guy
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on April 07, 2007, 10:49:06 pm
I'd have to say Pac Lu will probably be seeded ahead of the SCIAC champ, particularly if it is LaVerne. I don't think the NWC is a bad league. Puget Sound was actually the team I thought might challenge GFU and Linfield and they're in 4th. I have to honestly say I didn't see Pac Lu coming; I missed that one.

If George Fox lost today to Linfield, then they'd be in third place (well, tied in the lost column with the tiebreaker going to Linfield). If they finish third in the NWC, it becomes much more difficult for them to get a Pool C berth.

As for the pitching thing...no big deal. Just would have been interested to see how it broke down for a team like Chapman that never really has to go deep into their staff, and a bit amused by the idea that Marietta has a #2 pitcher. We have a #1, but he's battling arm issues. So our #2 becomes our #1 for now...and it seems to be anyone's guess who that is.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: utilitycat17 on April 07, 2007, 10:52:34 pm
So basically we're looking at the only shot at a Pool C being George Fox (unless TX Lu loses the ASC tournament) and the only real shot at a Pool B being East Bay.

Chapman, ASC, SCIAC, Pac Lu with TX Lu, GFU and East Bay possibilities for non automatics, probably in that order.

Chapman is a pool B team as well.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on April 07, 2007, 10:54:06 pm
Yes I know. But there's a better chance that I'll deploy to the moon before the end of the season than there is of Chapman not making the regional. So I just went ahead and put them in.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 07, 2007, 11:11:34 pm
McMurry needs a closer.  Look at these games.

Southwestern -- Walk-off 2-run homer in the 10th
UT-D- lose in the 10th
Marietta -- lose in the 9th
TLU -- lose in the 10th
TLU -- lose in the 10th
UMHB -- give up 9 runs in the 7th and 8th
Texas Wesleyan -- lose in the 9th
Schreiner -- lose in the 9th.

That takes 18-14 and makes it 26-6!
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on April 07, 2007, 11:12:46 pm
Too bad you don't play in a conference that has all 7 inning games (which I hate)!
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on May 07, 2007, 11:36:11 am
Chapman sweeps George Fox this weekend in a three-game series. Chapman has solidified itself as the #1 seed in the West.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Browneagle64 on May 07, 2007, 05:27:56 pm
Congratulations to the Panthers on their big sweep over G. Fox over the weekend and yes "solidifying" themselves as the #1 seed in the west. I sure do hope that they represent the west very well within the next coming weeks during the big tourney.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2008, 07:41:19 pm
Okay, Guy, are you ready to give us your first impressions?
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 18, 2008, 07:48:41 pm
Okay, Guy, are you ready to give us your first impressions?

I was tempted to put out a bit of preliminary list, but actually I think I'm going to wait until the teams in the NWC get at least two series under their belts. Also, there's some ASC teams that might figure in the mix that have played 3 games or less (UTD, UMHB), and I'd like to see a bit more of Trinity as well.

This time next week I should have a start to a list...

Glad you are looking forward to them Ralph!

In the meantime, I've made quite a few observations on the West Region forums and mentioned some players off to a hot start in the West and South regions on the national topics forum.

JSG
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 28, 2008, 02:03:59 am
I'm HOPING to get my first batch of West Regional Rankings out before Friday's games, but in the meantime here are teams that won't be on the list (in no particular order):

UT Dallas 7-3 – They’ve really surprised me how they’ve got a lot of new faces swinging the bats well after having one of the best offensive teams I can remember with last year’s squad. The question with this team is always, who pitches after Mark Cox wins game 1? He already had double of the innings of any other pitchers on the team. Valetine has been solid out of the pen.

McMurry 5-5 – I think this team is better than HSU right now, but I’m trying to be a BIT more subjective this year. I think Johnston and Curry are going to throw better and with Toombs emerging as a really solid addition to this rotation they’re dangerous. We already know they can hit. Franco and David both already have 5 HRs.

Concordia 6-6 – I like this team this year, but I’m not convinced they have enough starting pitching to win the ASC west. Aubry is solid on the backend and Williams is helping solidify the middle of their lineup. The two wins against Trinity and the victory over Tyler might be a sign of things to come.

Pacific Lutheran 2-1-2 – Still too early to tell much about last year’s West Regional runner-ups. They could definitely be under-valued at this point, but there’s a lot of new guys I have to witness a bit first. Sales and Post are back and swinging it well, and Brett Brunner is one of the better pitchers in the West Region.

Trinity 4-3 – Evan Jones is crushing the ball and this team has the deepest pitching staff in the entire west region. If Bignall and Horn pitch like they’re capable it’s borderline ridiculous, but they’re relying on so many freshman that it’s tough to tell how they’ll compete in big SCAC games – right now Rutgers Newark doesn’t tell you much so all we know is that they’re 1-3 against solid teams in the ASC.

Pomona Pitzer 4-3 – Another team that doesn’t have a great body of work to evaluate yet. Hedman is going to hit, but Mandleblatt has to get on base in front of him, and he has to pitch better (like a #1) as well. I can’t justify ranking a team that’s hitting .257 collectively eventhough it’s early.

Texas Lutheran 5-6 – I just mention them because they’ve been in the mix for so long, but this team is young and really not playing particularly well in any aspect of the game. Swept on their west coast trip and the lost to SU aren’t very encouraging. Opponents are only hitting .207 against SP Logan Hull.

Austin College 4-6 – Let’s face it, this team got hot at the right time last year. They were scrappy and wouldn’t ever go away. That’s a testament to their character and the progress Coach Iwasaki is making with the program. Andy White has played well for the Roos at SS this year.

JSG
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on February 28, 2008, 12:17:37 pm
I'm HOPING to get my first batch of West Regional Rankings out before Friday's games, but in the meantime here are teams that won't be on the list (in no particular order):

UT Dallas 7-3 – They’ve really surprised me how they’ve got a lot of new faces swinging the bats well after having one of the best offensive teams I can remember with last year’s squad. The question with this team is always, who pitches after Mark Cox wins game 1? He already had double of the innings of any other pitchers on the team. Valetine has been solid out of the pen.

McMurry 5-5 – I think this team is better than HSU right now, but I’m trying to be a BIT more subjective this year. I think Johnston and Curry are going to throw better and with Toombs emerging as a really solid addition to this rotation they’re dangerous. We already know they can hit. Franco and David both already have 5 HRs.

Concordia 6-6 – I like this team this year, but I’m not convinced they have enough starting pitching to win the ASC west. Aubry is solid on the backend and Williams is helping solidify the middle of their lineup. The two wins against Trinity and the victory over Tyler might be a sign of things to come.

Pacific Lutheran 2-1-2 – Still too early to tell much about last year’s West Regional runner-ups. They could definitely be under-valued at this point, but there’s a lot of new guys I have to witness a bit first. Sales and Post are back and swinging it well, and Brett Brunner is one of the better pitchers in the West Region.

Trinity 4-3 – Evan Jones is crushing the ball and this team has the deepest pitching staff in the entire west region. If Bignall and Horn pitch like they’re capable it’s borderline ridiculous, but they’re relying on so many freshman that it’s tough to tell how they’ll compete in big SCAC games – right now Rutgers Newark doesn’t tell you much so all we know is that they’re 1-3 against solid teams in the ASC.

Pomona Pitzer 4-3 – Another team that doesn’t have a great body of work to evaluate yet. Hedman is going to hit, but Mandleblatt has to get on base in front of him, and he has to pitch better (like a #1) as well. I can’t justify ranking a team that’s hitting .257 collectively eventhough it’s early.

Texas Lutheran 5-6 – I just mention them because they’ve been in the mix for so long, but this team is young and really not playing particularly well in any aspect of the game. Swept on their west coast trip and the lost to SU aren’t very encouraging. Opponents are only hitting .207 against SP Logan Hull.

Austin College 4-6 – Let’s face it, this team got hot at the right time last year. They were scrappy and wouldn’t ever go away. That’s a testament to their character and the progress Coach Iwasaki is making with the program. Andy White has played well for the Roos at SS this year.

JSG


JSG- thanks for the work you do. I find it very hard to catch many games in the spring while I am coaching.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Browneagle64 on February 28, 2008, 05:18:04 pm
I'm glad that you pointed out that the Sagehens shouldn't be on this week's W.R.R's.
So far the hens have played teams that typically do not do well during the season (see below):

Cal State San Bernardino 
 Lewis & Clark College
 Pacific University
 
As a matter of fact, after the Oxy Tigers beat them and sweep them this friday and saturday afternoon ( like they did last year in Pomona and at the Rock,) the Hen's shouldn't even be considered for a W.R.R. at all in the upcoming month.

Btw, they still haven't even faced the toughest part of their schedule. yet
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 04, 2008, 12:05:15 pm
Well - I got pretty caught up with some work stuff and was unable to get the rankings out before Friday's games, but they're coming this week.

Also receiving votes (in no particular order):
UT Dallas 11-3
Pacific Lutheran 4-3-2
McMurry 7-6
Hardin Simmons 7-3
Pomona Pitzer 7-3
Trinity 6-3
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Texas Lutheran 7-7
Austin College 6-6

Hardin Simmons would've been #10 on my list last week, but they were leap-frogged by another ASC West team this week. That's the only change of note. The comments I left about these teams are still pretty relevant so you can scroll up and read those if you want.

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Just Some Guy's West Regional Rankings 2008 - v.1

10. Concordia 10-6 – At the beginning of the year I said this team would be better offensively, but I wasn’t convinced that they would have enough pitching to get out of the tough west. Nothing’s changed that would alter my opinion of this team yet. Whiteley has pitched pretty well, and Aubry has been stellar out of the pen.

Key Players:
OF Tom Williams - .417 AVG, 9 HR, 23 RBI, .950 SLG, .563 obp
SS Brian Jacobs - .406 AVG, 8 2Bs, .656 SLG, .519 OBP, (but 11 errors at SS..ouch)
OF Patrick Mercer - .344 AVG, .459 OBP, 11-11 SBs
RP Matt Aubry – 9 appearances, 1-0, 0.82 ERA, .214 AVG against

Key Games: Took 2 out of 3 from Trinity and Lost 2 out of 3 against UT Tyler, the Southwestern game might also prove to be a big win.


9. La Verne 6-4 – This team doesn’t have quite as much high octane talent back as I had originally thought, but they have quite a few guys that contributed last year that are in key roles this year, and some of their top pitchers back. If Mandleblatt starts swinging it a little better for the Sagehens La Verne should start looking over their shoulders though.

I can’t find any stats on them, but here are some of their key players:
SS Jack Mehl
3B/2B Trevor Boucher
DH Scott Marcus
SP Tim Jolly

Key Games: Lost 2 of 3 to Cal State East Bay, Swept 2 games from TLU, Swept 2 games from Cal Lutheran


8. Linfield 6-3 – Voted by the coaches to win the NWC this year, but I think GFU might be the better team at this point in the season. Linfield just split with a very talented Pac Lutheran team and didn’t even have to face Brunner in the four game set. They’re tough to beat anytime Clark is on the mound and Dorn has pitched well, but someone (maybe McCulley emerge as a 3rd starter if Larson can’t get it done … and does this team have any depth in the pen ?

Key Players:
Drew Van Cleave - .385 AVG, 7 RBIs (7 starts), .467 OBP
David Bachonafer - .375 AVG, 12 RBIs, .656 SLG, 
Jordan Boustead - .367 AVG, 7-7 SBs
Brian Clark – 3-0, 2.00 ERA, .254 against, 15Ks in 18 IP

Key Games: 2-2 Split with Pacific Lutheran


7. Mary Hardin Baylor 11-2 – It’s hard to gauge just where UMHB stands at this point, and we may not have a very good indication until they play Hardin Simmons two weeks from now. Offensively they have the potential to be one of the best teams in the West region, but the Ozarks just held them to two-run games while handing UMHB their first two losses. I don’t know if Tumlinson is hurt, but either way their depth on the mound after Garza is questionable. I could see them potentially winning the ASC West or coming in as low as 5th. Of course, that speaks to the depth of the conference.

Key Players:
Adam Froeschl - .500 AVG, 7 2Bs, .780 SLG, .550 OBP, 6-8 SBs
R. Garza – 2-1, 1.89 ERA, 19Ks in 19 IP, .214 AVG against
                  .394 AVG, .606 SLG
Joseph Villegas - .424 AVG, 5 2Bs, 3 3Bs, 4 HRs, 19 RBIs, .814 SLG, 4-4 SBs
Marcus Volz - .395 AVG, 13 RBIs, .527 OBP, 6-7 SBs

Key Games: Lost 2 out of 3 to Ozarks, Defeated Trinity 6-5, and Southwestern twice.


6. Cal State East Bay 8-4 – After a bit of a down year last year (21-19) for the Pioneers they looked poised to make a run at a Pool B bid in the West Region again this year. Led by seniors Mark Tuttle, Lamonte Toney and Matt Viera this senior-laden team (18 in all) have a schedule that will illustrate whether or not they belong by the time they’re finished. At the end of March/beginning of April  they’ll face George Fox, Linfield, and Chapman in consecutive weekends.

Key Players:
Mark Tuttle – .459 AVG, .730 SLG, .523 OBP
Lamonte Toney – .429 AVG, 5 2Bs, 4 HRs, 18 RBIs, .732 SLG
Matt Viera – 3-0, 2.92 ERA, .207 AVG against

Key Games: Won 2 out 3 on the road against La Verne

JSG

Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 04, 2008, 12:15:04 pm
Hey J.S.G,

Here's something for thought:
Instead of ranking Pomona in the west as a strong leader, how about we take them out and consider replacing them with La Verne. This ball club has done a better job against good and decent teams as opposed to Pomona schedule. (come on, by the end of the weekend they will be 10-3 because of a sweep against the beaves of C.I.T) (yaya, they are 7-3, but these wins have come via playing teams that always start off cold. And yes that includes my Tigers.) In my opinion, the leo's have a better chance in taking the SCIAC and showing that they mean business. Take a look at their schedule and tell me that they don't deserve a nod on your rankings. Just my opinion, by the way. 8) 
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 04, 2008, 12:47:32 pm
Hey J.S.G,

Here's something for thought:
Instead of ranking Pomona in the west as a strong leader, how about we take them out and consider replacing them with La Verne. This ball club has done a better job against good and decent teams as opposed to Pomona schedule. (come on, by the end of the weekend they will be 10-3 because of a sweep against the beaves of C.I.T) (yaya, they are 7-3, but these wins have come via playing teams that always start off cold. And yes that includes my Tigers.) In my opinion, the leo's have a better chance in taking the SCIAC and showing that they mean business. Take a look at their schedule and tell me that they don't deserve a nod on your rankings. Just my opinion, by the way. 8) 

The Sagehens are listed in "other teams receiving votes" whereas La Verne is ranked #9 in this week's rankings. (The rankings have been done since early this morning, but I'm posting them one in a time after I add commentary at my convenience).

Even the previous week when I first started to put together the rankings Pomona was also receiving votes and La Verne would've been in the rankings. (Concordia jumping Hardin Simmons is the only change.)

That said, If Mandleblatt turns around his slow start it will be harder to argue them out of the rankings... (though La Verne may stay in as well) but for now I completely agree with your assessment in terms of placement and I think you'll find my rankings do reflect that.

Just for the record, while record does obviously play some role in the rankings, I value how they've performed against the "better" teams in the conference and that is a far more significant measuring stick for me when it comes to the rankings.

Take care.

JSG
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 04, 2008, 03:22:43 pm
Nicely said. As for La Verne, so far they have swept a good Cal Lu team and need to do the same against the Pups of U.O.R this friday and saturday.  ;D
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 07, 2008, 12:32:45 am
5. George Fox 6-3 – The class of the NWC for the last 10 years is out to avenge Pac Lu claiming the NWC title last year. With plenty of depth returning on the mound, the question remains can they replace the offensive firepower lost with the departure of Donohue, Wentzell, Drew Johnson and when does Bo Thunnell return ? Pat Bailey inc. seem to think they can, but have yet to be tested by a solid team with the exception of McMurry.

Key Players:
Pat Bailey - .500 AVG, 5 2Bs, .867 SLG, .568 OBP
Ryan Fobert – .444 AVG, 2 HR, 11 RBI
Brian Davis – 2-0, 1.23 ERA, 1 SV, .167 AVG against
Shane Dalgleish – 2-0, 2.70 ERA, 270 AVG against
Nick Bratney – 1-1, 3.26 ERA, 17Ks in 19.1 IP, 278 AVG against

Key Games: Won 2 out of 3 at McMurry



4. Ozarks 10-2 – This team made a splash last year after defeating Mary Hardin Baylor in the first round of the ASC tournament and then giving TLU all they could handle in the first game of the final four of the ASC tournament. A scrappy team that can really swing it has also developed a pitching staff they can rely on with at least 3 solid starters and some depth as well. I might get crucified for saying it, but I think this team could surpass UT Dallas this year and finish second in the ASC East.

Key Players:
Todd Koch - .435 AVG, .783 SLG, .649 OBP
                      2-1, 1.31 ERA, 24Ks in 20.2 IP, .149 AVG against
Cory Briggs - .500 AVG, 9 2Bs, 12 RBIs, .720 SLG, .550 OBP, 4-4 SBs
John Glenn - .410, 2 HRs, 18 RBIs, 5-5 SBs
Curt Dixon – 2-0, 2.12 ERA, 19Ks in 17 IP, .203 AVG against
Robby Finnell - .342 AVG, .519 OBP
                          2-0, 5.40 ERA, .200 AVG against

Key Games: defeated Rhodes, lost to Millsaps, took 2 of 3 from Mary-Hardin Baylor



3. Redlands 9-4 – Sure they lost one to Oxy and haven’t got over the hump with Chapman yet, but after defeating Pac Lutheran in extra innings after dominating TLU, I believe this Redlands team is the class of the SCIAC (of course we’ll find out a lot more this weekend when they take on La Verne). They’re going to hit (.360 as a team), and Nicholson has been great on the mound, but they’ll need their other starters to step up their game just a bit to remain near the top of the West Region Rankings. Their very home oriented schedule doesn’t hurt them.

Key Players:
Nolan Nicholson – 4-0, 1.36 ERA, 5 BBs to 19Ks, .271 AVG against
Matt Goldstein – .542 AVG, 4 2Bs, 9 RBIs, .792 SLG, .633 OBP
Brian Schumaker – .479 AVG, 6 2Bs

Also look for Kyle Rizzo (.327 avg) and Billy LaVelle (.326) to start swiping some more bags despite the fact that they only have 6 between them right now.

Key Games: Lost 2 of 3 to Chapman, swept a DH from TLU, defeated Pac Lutheran




2. UT Tyler 11-1 – My intuition is telling me they are a better team than Chapman, but I don’t want to make a premature assumption so a team that is hitting .360 and sporting a 2.22 ERA on the season will have to settle for 2nd in the West this week. When you add 4 solid JUCO additions (Hood, Harding, Munchrath, Zeigler – and Baker is a D1 TR) to an already stacked team and you have possibly the best 3-man rotation in division 3 baseball you’re going to be tough to beat.

Key Players: Is it bad I feel compelled to name 6 hitters and 5 pitchers on this roster?
Jared Hood - .439 AVG, 4-5 SBs
Jeremy Harding – .435 AVG, .717 SLG
Kendall Fox - .420 AVG, 16 runs scored
Joseph Towns - .404 AVG .635 SLG
Andrew Damewood - .373 AVG, .467 OBP
Clay Baker - .357 AVG, 20 runs scored, 4 HR, 18 RBI, .661 SLG, 8-8 SBs
Colby Munchrath – 1-0, 0.84 ERA, 16Ks in 10.2 IP, .158 AVG against
Blake Booher – 4-0, 1.17 ERA, .190 AVG against
Ryan Campbell – 3-0, 2.92 ERA, .237 AVG against
Brett Holland – 4-0, 3.00 ERA, 36Ks in 27 IP, .196 AVG against
Beau Ziegler – 3.75 ERA, 3 SV, 17Ks in 12 IP, .167 AVG against


Key Games: Took 2 of 3 from Concordia on the road.



1. Chapman 10-2 – It’s hard to vote against a team that has dominated the west region like the Panthers have the last 3 years. I think every year (since 2005 anyway – how about that pitching staff?) people question the depth of their starting rotation, but they always seem to get it done. They’re winning right now with Kitchens recovering from a shoulder tweak, and after adding Mike Vass to the middle of a potent lineup Chapman still reigns supreme atop JSG’s West Region rankings.

Key Players:
Mike Vass – .378 AVG, 4 HRs, .517 OBP, 9-10 SBs
Matt Pearson – .387 AVG
Kyle Redding – .340, 18 RBIs
Kurt Yacko – 4-0, 0.42 ERA, 4 SV, 33Ks in 21.1 IP, .141 AVG Against
Matt Luzar – 1-1, 2.60 ERA, .175 AVG against

Key Games: 2 of 3 from the Redlands, 2 of 3 from McMurry, swept 3 from Cal Lutheran






Title: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 07, 2008, 12:36:43 pm
Moderator's note... Just Some Guy (JSG) has been providing his analysis of the West Region on the West Region message boards for the last 2 years.  On his own initiative, he has started this national topic from his perspective.  These are his opinions, but as we have seen on the other message boards, the content provided by posters such as Patrick Abegg and David Collinge on Hoops message boards and various posters on the Football messages boards can provide valuable insight as we enjoy the season.

Here are JSG's postings from 2006 and 2007 on the West Region board. Click here. (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5123.0)  -- Ralph Turner


D3 Baseball fans,

A lot of time and effort go into these and I know many of you don't take
the opportunity to follow all of the regions so I thought I would share my West Regional rankings (complete with commentary, key players, and key games) with the national board.

(Note: Records do not include the most recent mid-week games.)

Also receiving votes (in no particular order):
UT Dallas 11-3 - They’ve really surprised me how they’ve got a lot of new faces swinging the bats well after having one of the best offensive teams I can remember with last year’s squad. The question with this team is always, who pitches after Mark Cox wins game 1? He already had double of the innings of any other pitchers on the team. Valetine has been solid out of the pen.

Pacific Lutheran 4-3-2 - Still too early to tell much about last year’s West Regional runner-ups. They could definitely be under-valued at this point, but there’s a lot of new guys I have to witness a bit first. Sales and Post are back and swinging it well, and Brett Brunner is one of the better pitchers in the West Region.

McMurry 7-6 - I think this team is better than HSU right now, but I’m trying to be a BIT more subjective this year. I think Johnston and Curry are going to throw better and with Toombs emerging as a really solid addition to this rotation they’re dangerous. We already know they can hit. Franco and David both already have 5 HRs.

Hardin Simmons 7-3 - I'll be the first to admit I thought they just lost too much offensively to be competitive this year, but with Pimpton stepping up and a huge boost from the two Tomball freshman this team is definitely in the mix. With Alcorn and Barton they have a great back-end of the pen in the starters can get them there.

Pomona Pitzer 7-3 - Another team that doesn’t have a great body of work to evaluate yet. Hedman is going to hit, but Mandleblatt has to get on base in front of him, and he has to pitch better (like a #1) as well. I can’t justify ranking a team that’s hitting .257 collectively eventhough it’s early.

Trinity 6-3 - Evan Jones is crushing the ball and this team has the deepest pitching staff in the entire west region (with Tyler possibly the exception). If Bignall and Horn pitch like they’re capable it’s borderline ridiculous, but they’re relying on so many freshman that it’s tough to tell how they’ll compete in big SCAC games – right now Rutgers Newark doesn’t tell you much so all we know is that they’re 1-3 against solid teams in the ASC.

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Texas Lutheran 7-7 - I just mention them because they’ve been in the mix for so long, but this team is young and really not playing particularly well in any aspect of the game. Swept on their west coast trip and the lost to SU aren’t very encouraging. Opponents are only hitting .207 against SP Logan Hull.

Austin College 6-6 - Let’s face it, this team got hot at the right time last year. They were scrappy and wouldn’t ever go away. That’s a testament to their character and the progress Coach Iwasaki is making with the program. Andy White has played well for the Roos at SS this year.

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Just Some Guy's West Regional Rankings 2008 - v.1

10. Concordia 10-6 – At the beginning of the year I said this team would be better offensively, but I wasn’t convinced that they would have enough pitching to get out of the tough west. Nothing’s changed that would alter my opinion of this team yet. Whiteley has pitched pretty well, and Aubry has been stellar out of the pen.

Key Players:
OF Tom Williams - .417 AVG, 9 HR, 23 RBI, .950 SLG, .563 obp
SS Brian Jacobs - .406 AVG, 8 2Bs, .656 SLG, .519 OBP, (but 11 errors at SS..ouch)
OF Patrick Mercer - .344 AVG, .459 OBP, 11-11 SBs
RP Matt Aubry – 9 appearances, 1-0, 0.82 ERA, .214 AVG against

Key Games: Took 2 out of 3 from Trinity and Lost 2 out of 3 against UT Tyler, the Southwestern game might also prove to be a big win.



9. La Verne 6-4 – This team doesn’t have quite as much high octane talent back as I had originally thought, but they have quite a few guys that contributed last year that are in key roles this year, and some of their top pitchers back. If Mandleblatt starts swinging it a little better for the Sagehens La Verne should start looking over their shoulders though.

I can’t find any stats on them, but here are some of their key players:
SS Jack Mehl
3B/2B Trevor Boucher
DH Scott Marcus
SP Tim Jolly

Key Games: Lost 2 of 3 to Cal State East Bay, Swept 2 games from TLU, Swept 2 games from Cal Lutheran


8. Linfield 6-3 – Voted by the coaches to win the NWC this year, but I think GFU might be the better team at this point in the season. Linfield just split with a very talented Pac Lutheran team and didn’t even have to face Brunner in the four game set. They’re tough to beat anytime Clark is on the mound and Dorn has pitched well, but someone (maybe McCulley emerge as a 3rd starter if Larson can’t get it done … and does this team have any depth in the pen ?

Key Players:
Drew Van Cleave - .385 AVG, 7 RBIs (7 starts), .467 OBP
David Bachonafer - .375 AVG, 12 RBIs, .656 SLG, 
Jordan Boustead - .367 AVG, 7-7 SBs
Brian Clark – 3-0, 2.00 ERA, .254 against, 15Ks in 18 IP

Key Games: 2-2 Split with Pacific Lutheran



7. Mary Hardin Baylor 11-2 – It’s hard to gauge just where UMHB stands at this point, and we may not have a very good indication until they play Hardin Simmons two weeks from now. Offensively they have the potential to be one of the best teams in the West region, but the Ozarks just held them to two-run games while handing UMHB their first two losses. I don’t know if Tumlinson is hurt, but either way their depth on the mound after Garza is questionable. I could see them potentially winning the ASC West or coming in as low as 5th. Of course, that speaks to the depth of the conference.

Key Players:
Adam Froeschl - .500 AVG, 7 2Bs, .780 SLG, .550 OBP, 6-8 SBs
R. Garza – 2-1, 1.89 ERA, 19Ks in 19 IP, .214 AVG against
                  .394 AVG, .606 SLG
Joseph Villegas - .424 AVG, 5 2Bs, 3 3Bs, 4 HRs, 19 RBIs, .814 SLG, 4-4 SBs
Marcus Volz - .395 AVG, 13 RBIs, .527 OBP, 6-7 SBs

Key Games: Lost 2 out of 3 to Ozarks, Defeated Trinity 6-5, and Southwestern twice.



6. Cal State East Bay 8-4 – After a bit of a down year last year (21-19) for the Pioneers they looked poised to make a run at a Pool B bid in the West Region again this year. Led by seniors Mark Tuttle, Lamonte Toney and Matt Viera this senior-laden team (18 in all) have a schedule that will illustrate whether or not they belong by the time they’re finished. At the end of March/beginning of April  they’ll face George Fox, Linfield, and Chapman in consecutive weekends.

Key Players:
Mark Tuttle – .459 AVG, .730 SLG, .523 OBP
Lamonte Toney – .429 AVG, 5 2Bs, 4 HRs, 18 RBIs, .732 SLG
Matt Viera – 3-0, 2.92 ERA, .207 AVG against

Key Games: Won 2 out 3 on the road against La Verne



5. George Fox 6-3 – The class of the NWC for the last 10 years is out to avenge Pac Lu claiming the NWC title last year. With plenty of depth returning on the mound, the question remains can they replace the offensive firepower lost with the departure of Donohue, Wentzell, Drew Johnson and when does Bo Thunnell return ? Pat Bailey inc. seem to think they can, but have yet to be tested by a solid team with the exception of McMurry.

Key Players:
Pat Bailey - .500 AVG, 5 2Bs, .867 SLG, .568 OBP
Ryan Fobert – .444 AVG, 2 HR, 11 RBI
Brian Davis – 2-0, 1.23 ERA, 1 SV, .167 AVG against
Shane Dalgleish – 2-0, 2.70 ERA, 270 AVG against
Nick Bratney – 1-1, 3.26 ERA, 17Ks in 19.1 IP, 278 AVG against

Key Games: Won 2 out of 3 at McMurry



4. Ozarks 10-2 – This team made a splash last year after defeating Mary Hardin Baylor in the first round of the ASC tournament and then giving TLU all they could handle in the first game of the final four of the ASC tournament. A scrappy team that can really swing it has also developed a pitching staff they can rely on with at least 3 solid starters and some depth as well. I might get crucified for saying it, but I think this team could surpass UT Dallas this year and finish second in the ASC East.

Key Players:
Todd Koch - .435 AVG, .783 SLG, .649 OBP
                      2-1, 1.31 ERA, 24Ks in 20.2 IP, .149 AVG against
Cory Briggs - .500 AVG, 9 2Bs, 12 RBIs, .720 SLG, .550 OBP, 4-4 SBs
John Glenn - .410, 2 HRs, 18 RBIs, 5-5 SBs
Curt Dixon – 2-0, 2.12 ERA, 19Ks in 17 IP, .203 AVG against
Robby Finnell - .342 AVG, .519 OBP
                          2-0, 5.40 ERA, .200 AVG against

Key Games: defeated Rhodes, lost to Millsaps, took 2 of 3 from Mary-Hardin Baylor



3. Redlands 9-4 – Sure they lost one to Oxy and haven’t got over the hump with Chapman yet, but after defeating Pac Lutheran in extra innings after dominating TLU, I believe this Redlands team is the class of the SCIAC (of course we’ll find out a lot more this weekend when they take on La Verne). They’re going to hit (.360 as a team), and Nicholson has been great on the mound, but they’ll need their other starters to step up their game just a bit to remain near the top of the West Region Rankings. Their very home oriented schedule doesn’t hurt them.

Key Players:
Nolan Nicholson – 4-0, 1.36 ERA, 5 BBs to 19Ks, .271 AVG against
Matt Goldstein – .542 AVG, 4 2Bs, 9 RBIs, .792 SLG, .633 OBP
Brian Schumaker – .479 AVG, 6 2Bs

Also look for Kyle Rizzo (.327 avg) and Billy LaVelle (.326) to start swiping some more bags despite the fact that they only have 6 between them right now.

Key Games: Lost 2 of 3 to Chapman, swept a DH from TLU, defeated Pac Lutheran



2. UT Tyler 11-1 – My intuition is telling me they are a better team than Chapman, but I don’t want to make a premature assumption so a team that is hitting .360 and sporting a 2.22 ERA on the season will have to settle for 2nd in the West this week. When you add 4 solid JUCO additions (Hood, Harding, Munchrath, Zeigler – and Baker is a D1 TR) to an already stacked team and you have possibly the best 3-man rotation in division 3 baseball you’re going to be tough to beat.

Key Players: Is it bad I feel compelled to name 6 hitters and 5 pitchers on this roster?
Jared Hood - .439 AVG, 4-5 SBs
Jeremy Harding – .435 AVG, .717 SLG
Kendall Fox - .420 AVG, 16 runs scored
Joseph Towns - .404 AVG .635 SLG
Andrew Damewood - .373 AVG, .467 OBP
Clay Baker - .357 AVG, 20 runs scored, 4 HR, 18 RBI, .661 SLG, 8-8 SBs
Colby Munchrath – 1-0, 0.84 ERA, 16Ks in 10.2 IP, .158 AVG against
Blake Booher – 4-0, 1.17 ERA, .190 AVG against
Ryan Campbell – 3-0, 2.92 ERA, .237 AVG against
Brett Holland – 4-0, 3.00 ERA, 36Ks in 27 IP, .196 AVG against
Beau Ziegler – 3.75 ERA, 3 SV, 17Ks in 12 IP, .167 AVG against


Key Games: Took 2 of 3 from Concordia on the road.



1. Chapman 10-2 – It’s hard to vote against a team that has dominated the west region like the Panthers have the last 3 years. I think every year (since 2005 anyway – how about that pitching staff?) people question the depth of their starting rotation, but they always seem to get it done. They’re winning right now with Kitchens recovering from a shoulder tweak, and after adding Mike Vass to the middle of a potent lineup Chapman still reigns supreme atop JSG’s West Region rankings.

Key Players:
Mike Vass – .378 AVG, 4 HRs, .517 OBP, 9-10 SBs
Matt Pearson – .387 AVG
Kyle Redding – .340, 18 RBIs
Kurt Yacko – 4-0, 0.42 ERA, 4 SV, 33Ks in 21.1 IP, .141 AVG Against
Matt Luzar – 1-1, 2.60 ERA, .175 AVG against

Key Games: 2 of 3 from the Redlands, 2 of 3 from McMurry, swept 3 from Cal Lutheran
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: infielddad on March 07, 2008, 12:52:15 pm
J_S_G:
To provide a little support for Cal State East Bay.
Their losses include one to Division I San Jose State 9-3.  SJS is very good this year and that game was competitive.
Another loss was to Division II San Francisco State which would be a very strong DIII squad.  They also beat them twice.
While I did not, my son saw them at Menlo College.
His description was "they mash."  He really liked their hitters and their approach.  From the game he watched, he felt they compared well with their 2004 Regional team.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 07, 2008, 04:35:16 pm
Hey J.S.G,

May I add Sr. P Ryan Rose, Jr. P Jesse Sweet and and Fr. P Kalankiewicz, who are all responsible in making the Leo's bull-pen fairly successful thus far.


I can’t find any stats on them, but here are some of their key players:
SS Jack Mehl
3B/2B Trevor Boucher
DH Scott Marcus
SP Tim Jolly


Key Games: Lost 2 of 3 to Cal State East Bay, Swept 2 games from TLU, Swept 2 games from Cal Lutheran
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 08, 2008, 12:22:29 pm
Hey J.S.G,

May I add Sr. P Ryan Rose, Jr. P Jesse Sweet and and Fr. P Kalankiewicz, who are all responsible in making the Leo's bull-pen fairly successful thus far.


I always welcome recommendations. Since I didn't have the stats I just took it upon myself to run a few for their pitching staff and that Leo's Bullpen has been solid.

I mentioned Jolly because he's arguably their best returning pitcher, but of the three guys they're currently using as starters (Jolly, Rose and Sweet) he had the highest ERA at 5.51.  Rose's was 4.20 at time of the rankings and now is 5.89, and Sweet's is 3.45.  Looking back through my evaluations I only have a couple of guys with an ERA over Sweet's mentioned. One is 2-0, has a miniscule average against and is hitting the ball well (i.e. playing both ways), and the other has 3 saves and 17K's in 12 innings.

So in retrospect I probably don't mention any of the Leo's starters, BUT Grant Wheatley has pitched 5.1 scoreless and Jimmy Wilfong has given up 1 run in 10 innings for a 0.90 ERA so both of those guys, particularly Wilfond probably deserved a mention. Blame the Leo's or the SCIAC for not having stats up yet.

And what about Kalankiewicz ? He hasn't logged an inning yet to my knowledge.

JSG
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: The_CRU_05 on March 11, 2008, 07:37:30 pm
J_S_G:
To provide a little support for Cal State East Bay.
Their losses include one to Division I San Jose State 9-3.  SJS is very good this year and that game was competitive.
Another loss was to Division II San Francisco State which would be a very strong DIII squad.  They also beat them twice.
While I did not, my son saw them at Menlo College.
His description was "they mash."  He really liked their hitters and their approach.  From the game he watched, he felt they compared well with their 2004 Regional team.

How old is your son?  This is an adult topic, I hope he is at least 18...if he is not we cannot take his synopsis of "they mash" as official without a signed affidavit.  for the record...the WAC is going to dismantle that San Jose State team, i respect their accomplishments in recent years, but they are young and will not make it passed La Tech and Nevada....Dont even get me started on that San Francisco State team, they are horrible....Just b/c they are D1 doesnt mean Cal State East Bay shouldnt beat them...Ill take your side that the SJSU loss is a legit loss, but the only thing they got better at by playing them was losing...and the loss to SFSU only gave them 1 of their 4 wins and once again made CSEB only better at losing....if you practice bad habits you will only form bad habits....after last season they need to be playing as many teams they can beat or in-region teams as possible not only to get all those seniors some padding for their stats and confidence to take into conference play, but also to give themselves the best possible chance for post-season play.  Menlo College sucks.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 11, 2008, 07:44:18 pm
Are we talking football or baseball here? LA Tech should be ok if they can get their stud ace to get his head of his a$$. As far as for the West Coast, the 49ers of San Fran just dont get the quaility California recruits, Kinda like the North Texas Mean Green of college football recruiting in Texas, so they struggle with living the west coast stepbrothers who are left playing lacrosse that didnt make the baseball team.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 11, 2008, 07:55:40 pm
How old is your son?  This is an adult topic, I hope he is at least 18...if he is not we cannot take his synopsis of "they mash" as official without a signed affidavit.  for the record...the WAC is going to dismantle that San Jose State team, i respect their accomplishments in recent years, but they are young and will not make it passed La Tech and Nevada....Dont even get me started on that San Francisco State team, they are horrible....Just b/c they are D1 doesnt mean Cal State East Bay shouldnt beat them...Ill take your side that the SJSU loss is a legit loss, but the only thing they got better at by playing them was losing...and the loss to SFSU only gave them 1 of their 4 wins and once again made CSEB only better at losing....if you practice bad habits you will only form bad habits....after last season they need to be playing as many teams they can beat or in-region teams as possible not only to get all those seniors some padding for their stats and confidence to take into conference play, but also to give themselves the best possible chance for post-season play.  Menlo College sucks.

I think it's safe to say his son is a viable source for evaluating whether or not a team can "mash"

In the MiLB in 2006: "Hit .270 with one homer, 16 RBIs and 20 runs scored in 49 games with Class A Lansing"
In 2005: "Batted team-best .289 (min. 378 plate appearances) with 52 RBIs and 63 runs scored in 118 games with Class A Lansing...Selected to the Eastern Division roster for the 2005 Midwest League All-Star Game."

With all due respect your posts thus far have been abrasive and classless. Certainly not representative of the Christian institute you played ball at. While both bman and Hambone have a couple of pointless posts (and are HUGE homers ;-) ) they've both made some pretty solid contributions to this forum. You have not.

You're obviously just trying to stir the pot (both without tact and sound evidence), and in the future I would appreciate it if you would alter your approach or refrain from muddling up a thread that I've started that hopefully entices serious baseball chatter.

Take care.

JSG
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: mideastfan on March 11, 2008, 08:16:04 pm
^^^ probably the most accurate thread I've read in 2 years.  It's early March and I'm already getting tired of reading his posts.  Thank you for stating what we've all been thinking.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: HAMBONE on March 11, 2008, 08:19:01 pm
How old is your son?  This is an adult topic, I hope he is at least 18...if he is not we cannot take his synopsis of "they mash" as official without a signed affidavit.  for the record...the WAC is going to dismantle that San Jose State team, i respect their accomplishments in recent years, but they are young and will not make it passed La Tech and Nevada....Dont even get me started on that San Francisco State team, they are horrible....Just b/c they are D1 doesnt mean Cal State East Bay shouldnt beat them...Ill take your side that the SJSU loss is a legit loss, but the only thing they got better at by playing them was losing...and the loss to SFSU only gave them 1 of their 4 wins and once again made CSEB only better at losing....if you practice bad habits you will only form bad habits....after last season they need to be playing as many teams they can beat or in-region teams as possible not only to get all those seniors some padding for their stats and confidence to take into conference play, but also to give themselves the best possible chance for post-season play.  Menlo College sucks.

I think it's safe to say his son is a viable source for evaluating whether or not a team can "mash"

In the MiLB in 2006: "Hit .270 with one homer, 16 RBIs and 20 runs scored in 49 games with Class A Lansing"
In 2005: "Batted team-best .289 (min. 378 plate appearances) with 52 RBIs and 63 runs scored in 118 games with Class A Lansing...Selected to the Eastern Division roster for the 2005 Midwest League All-Star Game."

With all due respect your posts thus far have been abrasive and classless. Certainly not representative of the Christian institute you played ball at. While both bman and Hambone have a couple of pointless posts (and are HUGE homers ;-) ) they've both made some pretty solid contributions to this forum. You have not.

You're obviously just trying to stir the pot (both without tact and sound evidence), and in the future I would appreciate it if you would alter your approach or refrain from muddling up a thread that I've started that hopefully entices serious baseball chatter.

Take care.

JSG


Homer?  c'mon, i know you can sum Bman3 and i up with a more descriptive term than homer.  maybe if you said that we are both a couple of The_CRU_05's.....then i would know you were spittin out some fighting words.


to the_cru_05...Grow up...we all appreciate humor but have a little respect.  JSG spends alot of time and effort to respesct the conference that you and I both played in.  and as for infielddad, his son just so happens to not only still be playing (which you obviously are not since you have time to waste on a D3 website) but he was 1 of the best players to ever play in the ASC again the conference from whom you represent.

Why dont you spend a little less time on your laptop stirring the pot in a negative manner, and go help your team get prepared for a real college game during their cinderella season...we are all proud of their hitter and pitcher of the week selections vs a team thats none and 100...we already know that good competition will beat them a majority of the time (ozarks took 2 of 3)...

JSG - keep doing what you do
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 12, 2008, 02:55:10 am
Don't get in a habit of seeing these every week, but my work schedule has afforded me a little extra time this week so I figured I would make an update to the list. There's just commentary this time because there haven't been that many more games to influence key players/stats that much. Plus, I'm thinking of doing something else to highlight some of the players in the West Region thus far this year.

(Note: # in parenthesis denotes last week's ranking).

1. Chapman 12-2 (1) - They’re still the class of the west. Their schedule gets a little tougher as the season progresses, but they’ve played well all year despite Luzar not throwing much and Kitchens hardly throwing at all.  Mike Vass has been instrumental to their success as a new addition to the middle of their order, and their role-players (as always) are doing a great job off the bench. The big question mark is the health of their staff because in a regional situation I don’t think they want to be relying on Ryan Clear to win them a big game. I think they’re missing Cavan a little, but if Yacko gets hot at the plate and those two starters come back strong you can elevate this team another level.

2. UT Tyler 16-3 (2) - With the exception of a solid Concordia team, the Patriots schedule had been relatively soft thus far this year, but they’ve just played 6 games in 3 days (against solid competition, particularly the last three days) and we’ve been able to learn more about them. They’re going to hit, regardless; there’s no doubt about that – though they still haven’t faced a staff like the Ozarks yet. What has to concern them is that after the Big 3 there doesn’t seem to be much depth on the mound. Zeigler, Wolfe and Munchrath are way better suited for the late innings. Their D got a little sloppy the last three games, but they’ve been solid all year. 

3. Ozarks 16-2 (3) - This team is for real. Let me repeat that, this team is for real. Possibly the best offensive team in the ASC will get a good test this weekend against UT Dallas. (They could really put them in a hole couldn’t they?) With the emergence of Todd Koch as viable starter and another year of experience for a team that was the 5th best team in the ASC last year and is returning virtually their entire roster, is it that hard to believe?  There’s even some solid depth out of the pen, which is more than the majority of the ASC teams can say. The defense has been relatively shaky.

4. George Fox 10-3 (5) - GFU leapfrogs the Redlands primarily because I think they have a lot more depth on the mound and it will come in handy if both teams make the regional. (We’ll talk more about it when we get to the Redlands). Pat Bailey is killing the ball, they have good depth on the mound (despite Langeleirs being pretty awful after being arguably their best pitcher last year), they’re beating teams they should beat, and if they get Bo Thunell back (I don’t know the story) I don’t forsee them relinquishing the NWC lead to Linfield or Pac Lutheran.

5. Redlands 11-5 (4) - They don’t hit for much power, but these guys get on the sack and constantly try to control the momentum by putting runners in motion. Nolan Nicholson has been one of the best pitchers in the West region, but he hasn’t had much help. The Redlands desperately need a 3rd starter as Seifert, who pitched decent against Pac Lu, hasn’t been very competitive sense. With the exception of Dryden the bullpen has been relatively ineffective as well. Dropping game 3 to teams they should beat in conference will allow both La Verne and Pomona to surpass them even if they’re taking 2 of 3 from those teams.

6. Mary Hardin Baylor 14-3 (7) - 6. Mary-Hardin Baylor – We’ll learn a lot about the Cru this weekend against Hardin-Simmons. Are they a great hitting team or do they just hit mediocre pitching well? (Koch and Dixon certainly shut them down), but they’re hitting .352 as a team. Garza’s been solid as expected and  FR Jared Hopper has been solid as a #2. Montoya, Dobbins, and Welch have had control problems, but if they iron those out and Tumlinson is healthy (he’s been good in limited action) then they have one of the deeper staffs on the West side of the ASC (w/McMurry). They don’t play very good D, but they do have a 9-hole hitter with 5 bombs and 21 RBI and a filthy first four hitters (ala McMurry).

7. Linfield 10-3 ( 8 ) - A lot like the Tyler team, their staff has been great, but four guys have thrown 82% of their innings, which won’t translate well to regional play, and I’m admittedly a little surprised it’s worked thus far in their four game conference series. If Cameron Larson can return to his ’07 form though, what a great rotation. Aside from the top of their order they’re not swinging it all that great, but they’re playing phenomenal defense (.976). Great pitching, defense, and timely hitting wins championships, but losing 2 of 4 against a Pac Lutheran team who dropped 3 against Pacific (Ore) makes a little hesitant to consider them the NWC favorites over GFU.

8. Cal State East Bay 11-5 (6) - This team has a couple of suspect losses, and not to opponents staff aces either, but they did take 2 of 3 from a solid La Verne team. Matt Viera is a legitimate staff ace, and they’ve done a good job getting this staff ready (there’s a great IP balance) for their brutal late March/early April schedule where we’ll learn if they truly belong on this list. With Lamonte Toney, Marc Tuttle and Michael Thomasson hitting in the middle of that order you can’t relax. The whole roster runs (every starter has at least two steals), and they’ve played solid D thus far as well this year (.968).

9. Pomona Pitzer 11-3 (NR) - With La Verne losing the series to the Redlands, and Pomona playing pretty impressive baseball (no, I’m not counting massacring Cal Tech) this jump was inevitable. Mandleblatt seems to be back on track and freshman David Colvin has been great as the team’s #2. There another team that’s depth on the mound is questionable, but they’re also playing great defense (.969).  They could use a little more help from the bottom of their order, but as long as guys are getting on base in front of Hedman (.442, 25 RBIs in 14 games), they’ll score runs. If we can’t get a good read on this team after this weekend, we’ll have to wait until their match up with the Redlands in late March. They only have 8 SB attempts all year.

10. McMurry 10-7 (NR) - McMurry has a couple of suspect losses (ETBU & Southwestern – Has Wes Willis beat every solid ASC West team this year?), but they’ve played a tough early season schedule and they seem to be hitting stride (though we can’t confirm this until after the TLU series this weekend). With Wood (quite a bit) and Smith proving they can help this staff, it gives them potentially the deepest staff in the ASC West, and we all know what Yurchick, Franco, David and Vorhees do at the top of that order. They’re another team that’s gotten pretty good production from their role-players and bench.

What makes them better than Concordia who they replaced on this poll? Better pitching, more pitching depth, and better offense top to bottom. Also, I perceived their series against HSU to be more challenging than CUA’s series against TLU at this point in the season.

Dropped Out: Concordia 13-7, La Verne 7-6-1

JSG
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 12, 2008, 12:46:32 pm
Concordia beats Huston Tilitson 13-6 and are a respectible 13-7.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 12, 2008, 01:12:23 pm
Don't get in a habit of seeing these every week, but my work schedule has afforded me a little extra time this week so I figured I would make an update to the list. There's just commentary this time because there haven't been that many more games to influence key players/stats that much. Plus, I'm thinking of doing something else to highlight some of the players in the West Region thus far this year.

(Note: # in parenthesis denotes last week's ranking).

1. Chapman 12-2 (1) - They’re still the class of the west. Their schedule gets a little tougher as the season progresses, but they’ve played well all year despite Luzar not throwing much and Kitchens hardly throwing at all.  Mike Vass has been instrumental to their success as a new addition to the middle of their order, and their role-players (as always) are doing a great job off the bench. The big question mark is the health of their staff because in a regional situation I don’t think they want to be relying on Ryan Clear to win them a big game. I think they’re missing Cavan a little, but if Yacko gets hot at the plate and those two starters come back strong you can elevate this team another level.

2. UT Tyler 16-3 (2) - With the exception of a solid Concordia team, the Patriots schedule had been relatively soft thus far this year, but they’ve just played 6 games in 3 days (against solid competition, particularly the last three days) and we’ve been able to learn more about them. They’re going to hit, regardless; there’s no doubt about that – though they still haven’t faced a staff like the Ozarks yet. What has to concern them is that after the Big 3 there doesn’t seem to be much depth on the mound. Zeigler, Wolfe and Munchrath are way better suited for the late innings. Their D got a little sloppy the last three games, but they’ve been solid all year. 

3. Ozarks 16-2 (3) - This team is for real. Let me repeat that, this team is for real. Possibly the best offensive team in the ASC will get a good test this weekend against UT Dallas. (They could really put them in a hole couldn’t they?) With the emergence of Todd Koch as viable starter and another year of experience for a team that was the 5th best team in the ASC last year and is returning virtually their entire roster, is it that hard to believe?  There’s even some solid depth out of the pen, which is more than the majority of the ASC teams can say. The defense has been relatively shaky.

4. George Fox 10-3 (5) - GFU leapfrogs the Redlands primarily because I think they have a lot more depth on the mound and it will come in handy if both teams make the regional. (We’ll talk more about it when we get to the Redlands). Pat Bailey is killing the ball, they have good depth on the mound (despite Langeleirs being pretty awful after being arguably their best pitcher last year), they’re beating teams they should beat, and if they get Bo Thunell back (I don’t know the story) I don’t forsee them relinquishing the NWC lead to Linfield or Pac Lutheran.

5. Redlands 11-5 (4) - They don’t hit for much power, but these guys get on the sack and constantly try to control the momentum by putting runners in motion. Nolan Nicholson has been one of the best pitchers in the West region, but he hasn’t had much help. The Redlands desperately need a 3rd starter as Seifert, who pitched decent against Pac Lu, hasn’t been very competitive sense. With the exception of Dryden the bullpen has been relatively ineffective as well. Dropping game 3 to teams they should beat in conference will allow both La Verne and Pomona to surpass them even if they’re taking 2 of 3 from those teams.

6. Mary Hardin Baylor 14-3 (7) - 6. Mary-Hardin Baylor – We’ll learn a lot about the Cru this weekend against Hardin-Simmons. Are they a great hitting team or do they just hit mediocre pitching well? (Koch and Dixon certainly shut them down), but they’re hitting .352 as a team. Garza’s been solid as expected and  FR Jared Hopper has been solid as a #2. Montoya, Dobbins, and Welch have had control problems, but if they iron those out and Tumlinson is healthy (he’s been good in limited action) then they have one of the deeper staffs on the West side of the ASC (w/McMurry). They don’t play very good D, but they do have a 9-hole hitter with 5 bombs and 21 RBI and a filthy first four hitters (ala McMurry).

7. Linfield 10-3 ( 8 ) - A lot like the Tyler team, their staff has been great, but four guys have thrown 82% of their innings, which won’t translate well to regional play, and I’m admittedly a little surprised it’s worked thus far in their four game conference series. If Cameron Larson can return to his ’07 form though, what a great rotation. Aside from the top of their order they’re not swinging it all that great, but they’re playing phenomenal defense (.976). Great pitching, defense, and timely hitting wins championships, but losing 2 of 4 against a Pac Lutheran team who dropped 3 against Pacific (Ore) makes a little hesitant to consider them the NWC favorites over GFU.

8. Cal State East Bay 11-5 (6) - This team has a couple of suspect losses, and not to opponents staff aces either, but they did take 2 of 3 from a solid La Verne team. Matt Viera is a legitimate staff ace, and they’ve done a good job getting this staff ready (there’s a great IP balance) for their brutal late March/early April schedule where we’ll learn if they truly belong on this list. With Lamonte Toney, Marc Tuttle and Michael Thomasson hitting in the middle of that order you can’t relax. The whole roster runs (every starter has at least two steals), and they’ve played solid D thus far as well this year (.968).

9. Pomona Pitzer 11-3 (NR) - With La Verne losing the series to the Redlands, and Pomona playing pretty impressive baseball (no, I’m not counting massacring Cal Tech) this jump was inevitable. Mandleblatt seems to be back on track and freshman David Colvin has been great as the team’s #2. There another team that’s depth on the mound is questionable, but they’re also playing great defense (.969).  They could use a little more help from the bottom of their order, but as long as guys are getting on base in front of Hedman (.442, 25 RBIs in 14 games), they’ll score runs. If we can’t get a good read on this team after this weekend, we’ll have to wait until their match up with the Redlands in late March. They only have 8 SB attempts all year.

10. McMurry 10-7 (NR) - McMurry has a couple of suspect losses (ETBU & Southwestern – Has Wes Willis beat every solid ASC West team this year?), but they’ve played a tough early season schedule and they seem to be hitting stride (though we can’t confirm this until after the TLU series this weekend). With Wood (quite a bit) and Smith proving they can help this staff, it gives them potentially the deepest staff in the ASC West, and we all know what Yurchick, Franco, David and Vorhees do at the top of that order. They’re another team that’s gotten pretty good production from their role-players and bench.

What makes them better than Concordia who they replaced on this poll? Better pitching, more pitching depth, and better offense top to bottom. Also, I perceived their series against HSU to be more challenging than CUA’s series against TLU at this point in the season.

Dropped Out: Concordia 13-7, La Verne 7-6-1

JSG
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 12, 2008, 01:21:23 pm
Concordia beats Huston Tilitson 13-6 and are a respectible 13-7.

Thanks for your input Blackcat and I don't want to discount what Concordia has done at this point in the season. I definitely think they're a contender in the ASC, but the drop was more about what McMurry had done and less about Concordia's own body of work.

Concordia beat a TLU team that seems to be down this year. While Szkotak was pretty impressive and Whiteley threw okay as well, both the #1 Morrison and Aubry seemed pretty vulnerable and that has to worry a team that already doesn't have much depth on the bump.

A big positive was what both Schrock and Beasley did against TLU. Schrock hadn't played much, and Beasley hadn't swung it well prior to that series, but both came on strong which is good considering both Wernecke and Thielepape aren't swinging it to their ability.

The Tillotson game just isn't going to carry that much weight.

McMurry took 2 of 3 from Hardin Simmons and the one they lost was the 7 inning game where the Cowboys were able to hand it over to their phenemonal back end. They followed that up by showcasing some depth on the mound when they beat Tyler and Southwestern on Monday and Tuesday.

My perception at this moment, is that McMurry is the better team. The fun part about this game is that my perception doesn't mean a whole lot, and chances are it will change 100x by the end of the season.

JSG
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 12, 2008, 03:51:27 pm
Don't get in a habit of seeing these every week, but my work schedule has afforded me a little extra time this week so I figured I would make an update to the list. There's just commentary this time because there haven't been that many more games to influence key players/stats that much. Plus, I'm thinking of doing something else to highlight some of the players in the West Region thus far this year.

(Note: # in parenthesis denotes last week's ranking).

1. Chapman 12-2 (1) - They’re still the class of the west. Their schedule gets a little tougher as the season progresses, but they’ve played well all year despite Luzar not throwing much and Kitchens hardly throwing at all.  Mike Vass has been instrumental to their success as a new addition to the middle of their order, and their role-players (as always) are doing a great job off the bench. The big question mark is the health of their staff because in a regional situation I don’t think they want to be relying on Ryan Clear to win them a big game. I think they’re missing Cavan a little, but if Yacko gets hot at the plate and those two starters come back strong you can elevate this team another level.

2. UT Tyler 16-3 (2) - With the exception of a solid Concordia team, the Patriots schedule had been relatively soft thus far this year, but they’ve just played 6 games in 3 days (against solid competition, particularly the last three days) and we’ve been able to learn more about them. They’re going to hit, regardless; there’s no doubt about that – though they still haven’t faced a staff like the Ozarks yet. What has to concern them is that after the Big 3 there doesn’t seem to be much depth on the mound. Zeigler, Wolfe and Munchrath are way better suited for the late innings. Their D got a little sloppy the last three games, but they’ve been solid all year. 

3. Ozarks 16-2 (3) - This team is for real. Let me repeat that, this team is for real. Possibly the best offensive team in the ASC will get a good test this weekend against UT Dallas. (They could really put them in a hole couldn’t they?) With the emergence of Todd Koch as viable starter and another year of experience for a team that was the 5th best team in the ASC last year and is returning virtually their entire roster, is it that hard to believe?  There’s even some solid depth out of the pen, which is more than the majority of the ASC teams can say. The defense has been relatively shaky.

4. George Fox 10-3 (5) - GFU leapfrogs the Redlands primarily because I think they have a lot more depth on the mound and it will come in handy if both teams make the regional. (We’ll talk more about it when we get to the Redlands). Pat Bailey is killing the ball, they have good depth on the mound (despite Langeleirs being pretty awful after being arguably their best pitcher last year), they’re beating teams they should beat, and if they get Bo Thunell back (I don’t know the story) I don’t forsee them relinquishing the NWC lead to Linfield or Pac Lutheran.

5. Redlands 11-5 (4) - They don’t hit for much power, but these guys get on the sack and constantly try to control the momentum by putting runners in motion. Nolan Nicholson has been one of the best pitchers in the West region, but he hasn’t had much help. The Redlands desperately need a 3rd starter as Seifert, who pitched decent against Pac Lu, hasn’t been very competitive sense. With the exception of Dryden the bullpen has been relatively ineffective as well. Dropping game 3 to teams they should beat in conference will allow both La Verne and Pomona to surpass them even if they’re taking 2 of 3 from those teams.

6. Mary Hardin Baylor 14-3 (7) - 6. Mary-Hardin Baylor – We’ll learn a lot about the Cru this weekend against Hardin-Simmons. Are they a great hitting team or do they just hit mediocre pitching well? (Koch and Dixon certainly shut them down), but they’re hitting .352 as a team. Garza’s been solid as expected and  FR Jared Hopper has been solid as a #2. Montoya, Dobbins, and Welch have had control problems, but if they iron those out and Tumlinson is healthy (he’s been good in limited action) then they have one of the deeper staffs on the West side of the ASC (w/McMurry). They don’t play very good D, but they do have a 9-hole hitter with 5 bombs and 21 RBI and a filthy first four hitters (ala McMurry).

7. Linfield 10-3 ( 8 ) - A lot like the Tyler team, their staff has been great, but four guys have thrown 82% of their innings, which won’t translate well to regional play, and I’m admittedly a little surprised it’s worked thus far in their four game conference series. If Cameron Larson can return to his ’07 form though, what a great rotation. Aside from the top of their order they’re not swinging it all that great, but they’re playing phenomenal defense (.976). Great pitching, defense, and timely hitting wins championships, but losing 2 of 4 against a Pac Lutheran team who dropped 3 against Pacific (Ore) makes a little hesitant to consider them the NWC favorites over GFU.

8. Cal State East Bay 11-5 (6) - This team has a couple of suspect losses, and not to opponents staff aces either, but they did take 2 of 3 from a solid La Verne team. Matt Viera is a legitimate staff ace, and they’ve done a good job getting this staff ready (there’s a great IP balance) for their brutal late March/early April schedule where we’ll learn if they truly belong on this list. With Lamonte Toney, Marc Tuttle and Michael Thomasson hitting in the middle of that order you can’t relax. The whole roster runs (every starter has at least two steals), and they’ve played solid D thus far as well this year (.968).

9. Pomona Pitzer 11-3 (NR) - With La Verne losing the series to the Redlands, and Pomona playing pretty impressive baseball (no, I’m not counting massacring Cal Tech) this jump was inevitable. Mandleblatt seems to be back on track and freshman David Colvin has been great as the team’s #2. There another team that’s depth on the mound is questionable, but they’re also playing great defense (.969).  They could use a little more help from the bottom of their order, but as long as guys are getting on base in front of Hedman (.442, 25 RBIs in 14 games), they’ll score runs. If we can’t get a good read on this team after this weekend, we’ll have to wait until their match up with the Redlands in late March. They only have 8 SB attempts all year.

10. McMurry 10-7 (NR) - McMurry has a couple of suspect losses (ETBU & Southwestern – Has Wes Willis beat every solid ASC West team this year?), but they’ve played a tough early season schedule and they seem to be hitting stride (though we can’t confirm this until after the TLU series this weekend). With Wood (quite a bit) and Smith proving they can help this staff, it gives them potentially the deepest staff in the ASC West, and we all know what Yurchick, Franco, David and Vorhees do at the top of that order. They’re another team that’s gotten pretty good production from their role-players and bench.

What makes them better than Concordia who they replaced on this poll? Better pitching, more pitching depth, and better offense top to bottom. Also, I perceived their series against HSU to be more challenging than CUA’s series against TLU at this point in the season.

Dropped Out: Concordia 13-7, La Verne 7-6-1

JSG


Your research amazes me. Please keep up the great work. I can only catch a few West Region games because of my busy schedule so I rely on your words to help me through all that I am missing.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 12, 2008, 06:18:24 pm
Great folow up and insight on your rankings. It will be real interesting to see what happens here in the next two or so weeks in conference. Right now I dont see CTX in the top of any rankings, I just beleive at 13-7  they do have some quality wins and big margin victories. They are going to have to out hit their oppenents this year and if they can sweep Howard Payne this weekend, it will put them in a very good position in the West, with some top match ups facing off.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: HAMBONE on March 12, 2008, 06:20:17 pm
Great work JSG...
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 12, 2008, 06:24:19 pm
Theres nothing wrong with being HOmers, I am a member on Orangebloods and its fun to support and give great insight on baseball or football for UT. You do have to mix it up with your homernus(if thats a word) to make this message board interesting. You have to know your role. Me Hambone and a few others on here played in the Div III World Series in Appleton a few years back so I guess like infield dad stated "we like to live in the past" because not many teams or people on this website have actually "been their" So I guess in a way it does kinda give us a feel of "living in the past" and we can support our team and support them or give them the biggest homernus insight available.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: HAMBONE on March 12, 2008, 06:33:17 pm
thats a big ole park out in the middle of nowhere, anything could happen.  If HPU racks up another 12 errors and kicks it around, there shouldnt be any problem.  they have a new, very young, agressive head coach....but their seasoned assisitant coach ill probably offset any bad decision he tries to make....HPU has had some scrappy teams in the past that were able to make teams play down to their level and giving them the upper hand.  All CTX has to do to come away with the result they want is pitch, play defense, get some timely hitting from their 3-4-5 holes, and play the game one pitch at a time.  Go Nados!
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: HAMBONE on March 12, 2008, 06:55:16 pm
homer

noun
1.  a base hit on which the batter scores a run 
2.  ancient Greek epic poet who is believed to have written the Iliad and the Odyssey (circa 850 BC) 
3.  an ancient Hebrew unit of capacity equal to 10 baths or 10 ephahs 
4.  United States painter best known for his seascapes (1836-1910) 
5.  pigeon trained to return home [syn: homing pigeon] 

verb
1.  hit a home run 

WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.


JSG must have meant im a homer b/c i had so many career homeruns...or maybe b/c of the pieces of literature that i compose on this site, comparing me to the great poet!  or maybe an adjective using the word in terms of measuring my humor...then i would have 8 bushels of humor.


blackcat00 "Been THERE"  not Their....if you are going to represent us, then represent us well.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: infielddad on March 12, 2008, 08:30:02 pm
Theres nothing wrong with being HOmers, I am a member on Orangebloods and its fun to support and give great insight on baseball or football for UT. You do have to mix it up with your homernus(if thats a word) to make this message board interesting. You have to know your role. Me Hambone and a few others on here played in the Div III World Series in Appleton a few years back so I guess like infield dad stated "we like to live in the past" because not many teams or people on this website have actually "been their" So I guess in a way it does kinda give us a feel of "living in the past" and we can support our team and support them or give them the biggest homernus insight available.

blackcat, nothing wrong with being a homer... to a point.
As I posted before, CTX played well in 2002 and deserved to win and get to Appleton.
Where things went sideways is when the "Homer" then ended up running down Trinity.   
Trinity has been to the regionals in 2002,2004 and again in 2006 and each of those teams had more than 35 wins. In 2004, they made the finals again but they lost to the eventual National Champion because they pitched their #1 about 20 innings in 3 days and Coach Scannell would not do that with Frost. BTW, Hyde was darn good(pitchers picked in the first few rounds of the draft usually are).
Trinity had players drafted in 2004 and again in 2007, and Frye and Joe Brown have done extremely well in Independent ball.  If Chuck Huggins had not transfered to DI UCSB where he is now the #2 starter, he would have been drafted also(actually was last year.)
You guys should be proud of winning the Regional in 2002 and getting to Appleton.  I actually thought Cortez, Turner and Pitzer were darn good and their #1 that you guys  beat also pitched in Milb and did pretty darn well.
Our differences seem to be  whether you guys recognize that the better the teams you beat, the better that makes your team.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: HAMBONE on March 13, 2008, 01:13:04 am
Theres nothing wrong with being HOmers, I am a member on Orangebloods and its fun to support and give great insight on baseball or football for UT. You do have to mix it up with your homernus(if thats a word) to make this message board interesting. You have to know your role. Me Hambone and a few others on here played in the Div III World Series in Appleton a few years back so I guess like infield dad stated "we like to live in the past" because not many teams or people on this website have actually "been their" So I guess in a way it does kinda give us a feel of "living in the past" and we can support our team and support them or give them the biggest homernus insight available.

blackcat, nothing wrong with being a homer... to a point.
As I posted before, CTX played well in 2002 and deserved to win and get to Appleton.
Where things went sideways is when the "Homer" then ended up running down Trinity.  
Trinity has been to the regionals in 2002,2004 and again in 2006 and each of those teams had more than 35 wins. In 2004, they made the finals again but they lost to the eventual National Champion because they pitched their #1 about 20 innings in 3 days and Coach Scannell would not do that with Frost. BTW, Hyde was darn good(pitchers picked in the first few rounds of the draft usually are).
Trinity had players drafted in 2004 and again in 2007, and Frye and Joe Brown have done extremely well in Independent ball.  If Chuck Huggins had not transfered to DI UCSB where he is now the #2 starter, he would have been drafted also(actually was last year.)
You guys should be proud of winning the Regional in 2002 and getting to Appleton.  I actually thought Cortez, Turner and Pitzer were darn good and their #1 that you guys  beat also pitched in Milb and did pretty darn well.
Our differences seem to be  whether you guys recognize that the better the teams you beat, the better that makes your team.

Infielddad you lost me on that last post....im not real sure what your specific point was other "than whether you guys recognize that the better the teams you beat, the better that makes your team."  I couldnt find where your convo started w/ blackcat about this topic, nut if this was directed towards the CTX team try looking at their schedule year in and year out, its filled with D-2 and NAIA opponents and occasionaly a D-1 matchup....so im pretty sure there is no confusion on how good competition only makes you bettter....now in the D3 world you dont get any brownie points for playing higher competition so it doesnt help you rrankings, but I dont know who would argue with you there...

in response to all the draft picks from TU...congratulations.  noone said Trinity werent any good.  They are a tough apponent year in and year out, esp when jason was playing....they always seem to have 3 great starters and plenty of quality arms in the pen as well.


As far as CTX living in the past....well maybe b/c blackcat00, Bman3, and myself dont play anymore and we still a little proud that we are the only D3 team in texas to make it to the D3 world series, not something you can say about those tigers.  This is a D3 website and we are showing our support for our alma matter....and im pretty sure our individual career college stats allow us to live in the past when we want to.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 13, 2008, 10:48:21 am
How many former World Series participants are on this board?

I went with Carthage in 1993, 1994 and 1995
We have a few Chapman alums on here as well.

Anybody get an accurate count of the total number of guys? I am just curious.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 13, 2008, 12:11:06 pm
Linfield's head coach and former cat alum played with the Yankee 95 World champ team.

Wes parker from The C.M.S stags with the 55' world series champ Dodgers.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 13, 2008, 12:48:09 pm
How many former World Series participants are on this board?

I went with Carthage in 1993, 1994 and 1995
We have a few Chapman alums on here as well.

Anybody get an accurate count of the total number of guys? I am just curious.

and one from NCW's championship team if you follow the USA South discussion thread
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 13, 2008, 12:48:31 pm
2002 World Series member
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on March 13, 2008, 01:03:21 pm
All CTX has to do to come away with the result they want is pitch, play defense, get some timely hitting from their 3-4-5 holes, and play the game one pitch at a time.  Go Nados!

Well...yeah...but that's all anyone has to do to get the result they want, more or less. All that says is that CTX just has to play better baseball than HPU to win...which is pretty much a given.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: infielddad on March 13, 2008, 01:41:41 pm
Theres nothing wrong with being HOmers, I am a member on Orangebloods and its fun to support and give great insight on baseball or football for UT. You do have to mix it up with your homernus(if thats a word) to make this message board interesting. You have to know your role. Me Hambone and a few others on here played in the Div III World Series in Appleton a few years back so I guess like infield dad stated "we like to live in the past" because not many teams or people on this website have actually "been their" So I guess in a way it does kinda give us a feel of "living in the past" and we can support our team and support them or give them the biggest homernus insight available.

blackcat, nothing wrong with being a homer... to a point.
As I posted before, CTX played well in 2002 and deserved to win and get to Appleton.
Where things went sideways is when the "Homer" then ended up running down Trinity.   
Trinity has been to the regionals in 2002,2004 and again in 2006 and each of those teams had more than 35 wins. In 2004, they made the finals again but they lost to the eventual National Champion because they pitched their #1 about 20 innings in 3 days and Coach Scannell would not do that with Frost. BTW, Hyde was darn good(pitchers picked in the first few rounds of the draft usually are).
Trinity had players drafted in 2004 and again in 2007, and Frye and Joe Brown have done extremely well in Independent ball.  If Chuck Huggins had not transfered to DI UCSB where he is now the #2 starter, he would have been drafted also(actually was last year.)
You guys should be proud of winning the Regional in 2002 and getting to Appleton.  I actually thought Cortez, Turner and Pitzer were darn good and their #1 that you guys  beat also pitched in Milb and did pretty darn well.
Our differences seem to be  whether you guys recognize that the better the teams you beat, the better that makes your team.

Infielddad you lost me on that last post....im not real sure what your specific point was other "than whether you guys recognize that the better the teams you beat, the better that makes your team."  I couldnt find where your convo started w/ blackcat about this topic, nut if this was directed towards the CTX team try looking at their schedule year in and year out, its filled with D-2 and NAIA opponents and occasionaly a D-1 matchup....so im pretty sure there is no confusion on how good competition only makes you bettter....now in the D3 world you dont get any brownie points for playing higher competition so it doesnt help you rrankings, but I dont know who would argue with you there...

in response to all the draft picks from TU...congratulations.  noone said Trinity werent any good.  They are a tough apponent year in and year out, esp when jason was playing....they always seem to have 3 great starters and plenty of quality arms in the pen as well.


As far as CTX living in the past....well maybe b/c blackcat00, Bman3, and myself dont play anymore and we still a little proud that we are the only D3 team in texas to make it to the D3 world series, not something you can say about those tigers.  This is a D3 website and we are showing our support for our alma matter....and im pretty sure our individual career college stats allow us to live in the past when we want to.

HAMBONE:
No arguments whatsoever on my end with the pride you and your teammates have and deserve about the 2002 CWS appearance, your baseball program and the accomplishments.
I think the Trinity/CTX aspects on the thread  have outlived their usefulness.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 13, 2008, 02:15:25 pm
Oh.... Ooops. I thought you meant the MLB world Series B.P.   
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: HAMBONE on March 13, 2008, 02:50:55 pm
what i mean guy is if CTX plays the game at their level, while HPU kicks it around they will be fine....if they decide to play crappy b/c HPU is kicking it around and not throwing strikes then HPU will have the upper hand b/c they are the better team when playing sloppy baseball......its kind of like UMHB hitting right now...my theory is you throw a mediocre 80-85 mph fastball (right or left hander), a 75 mph curveball and an attempt at a changeup and they will bat .500 like they are....you throw a few guys out on the hill that can pitch with some velocity and comand and i bet they arent as good as they are on paper....making them a better team when you play mediocre sloppy baseball.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on March 13, 2008, 02:53:52 pm
Linfield's head coach and former cat alum played with the Yankee 95 World champ team.


If he's on this board, I think he wins the prize. LOL.

FWIW, I'm a big Yankee fan who loved rooting for a guy like Scott Brosius. Pulling for all the mercs with about 10 zeros in their paycheck almost takes the fun out of it, especially since NYY is still not going to be that good because you can't buy great pitching.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: NCWC on March 13, 2008, 11:47:58 pm
How many former World Series participants are on this board?

I went with Carthage in 1993, 1994 and 1995
We have a few Chapman alums on here as well.

Anybody get an accurate count of the total number of guys? I am just curious.

I was on a two and out team in 06.....CatfishNCWC on the USAS thread was on the team that won it in 99
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: utilitycat17 on March 14, 2008, 12:05:57 am
How many former World Series participants are on this board?

I went with Carthage in 1993, 1994 and 1995
We have a few Chapman alums on here as well.

Anybody get an accurate count of the total number of guys? I am just curious.

I went in 2000, 2001, and 2003.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 14, 2008, 08:38:59 am
How many former World Series participants are on this board?

I went with Carthage in 1993, 1994 and 1995
We have a few Chapman alums on here as well.

Anybody get an accurate count of the total number of guys? I am just curious.

1999 Marietta team
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: HAMBONE on March 14, 2008, 12:47:23 pm
How many former World Series participants are on this board?

I went with Carthage in 1993, 1994 and 1995
We have a few Chapman alums on here as well.

Anybody get an accurate count of the total number of guys? I am just curious.


I was on a two and out team in 06.....CatfishNCWC on the USAS thread was on the team that won it in 99


I was on a 2 and out team as well.  CTX 2002, ECSU was the champ that year.  2 and Q made me want to puke...terrible feeling.  to top it off, there was  a3 day rain delay to begin the tournament, and win it did start it was in the 30's for the night games....but the weather was the same for all 8 teams....
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on March 14, 2008, 01:45:02 pm
How many former World Series participants are on this board?

I went with Carthage in 1993, 1994 and 1995
We have a few Chapman alums on here as well.

Anybody get an accurate count of the total number of guys? I am just curious.


I was on a two and out team in 06.....CatfishNCWC on the USAS thread was on the team that won it in 99


I was on a 2 and out team as well.  CTX 2002, ECSU was the champ that year.  2 and Q made me want to puke...terrible feeling.  to top it off, there was  a3 day rain delay to begin the tournament, and win it did start it was in the 30's for the night games....but the weather was the same for all 8 teams....


You should go to Heidelberg or Ohio Northern in March.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 14, 2008, 02:35:23 pm
92 here in Austin today, great March baseball weather.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 14, 2008, 02:46:49 pm
92 here in Austin today, great March baseball weather.

4 here and great snowshoe baseball conditions.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: HAMBONE on March 14, 2008, 07:52:44 pm
haha  dang 4 degrees sure would make your arm feel good and loose...i dont know how you guys do it...i commend you for it. if i lived north, id probably just wish i was born a girl or wish i was good at hockey.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jim Dixon on March 15, 2008, 01:56:52 am
haha  dang 4 degrees sure would make your arm feel good and loose...i dont know how you guys do it...i commend you for it. if i lived north, id probably just wish i was born a girl or wish i was good at hockey.

The truth is I live to far north.  My school on the other-hand, my school get s to celebrate a national championship every year - okay two years ago we did not get one but lost by the slimest of margins - and our hockey tam is just not good enough - alas.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: HAMBONE on March 15, 2008, 04:50:18 am
haha  dang 4 degrees sure would make your arm feel good and loose...i dont know how you guys do it...i commend you for it. if i lived north, id probably just wish i was born a girl or wish i was good at hockey.

The truth is I live to far north.  My school on the other-hand, my school get s to celebrate a national championship every year - okay two years ago we did not get one but lost by the slimest of margins - and our hockey tam is just not good enough - alas.


What school or team do you follow?  what years did you play?

my school on the other hand apparently sent the undefeated football team that we dont have to play the Howard Payne Univ. baseball team.  32-19...unbelievable
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: scuba16 on March 16, 2008, 11:26:21 pm
How many former World Series participants are on this board?

I went with Carthage in 1993, 1994 and 1995
We have a few Chapman alums on here as well.

Anybody get an accurate count of the total number of guys? I am just curious.

1995 Cortland State, 2 and out but had no pitching left! We lost the 1st game of the NY regional and won 5 in a row to get to Salem. Great team, great trip, great memories like watching Jared Washburn gas and light up the radar guns!
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 17, 2008, 11:19:10 am
Scuba- we lost to Washburn (UW-Oshkosh) in the first round and beat your Red Dragons in the second round of that '95 series. All I remember about the Cortland team is the bat girls :)
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: scuba16 on March 17, 2008, 12:37:08 pm
Big Poppa,
We lost to Marietta 11-10 and then to William Patterson 16-10. We scored 20 runs in 2 games and lost both games. Who would have thought.
You guys lost to Oshkosh and beat Eastern Conneticut State in the 2nd round. I also remember EConn's bat girls!
Actually, we watched your game and couldn't believe Washburn was throwing that hard for being so small. He was 92-94 on all of the scouts guns.
Lieder and Jorgenson combined to hit something like 75 hrs that year!
Lorgensen had 40+!
There was some seroius talent that year in Salem.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Spence on March 17, 2008, 06:54:18 pm
Big Poppa,
We lost to Marietta 11-10 and then to William Patterson 16-10. We scored 20 runs in 2 games and lost both games. Who would have thought.

At old Salem Stadium, anyone would have thought. Coaches can hit fungoes out of the park there.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 17, 2008, 08:36:02 pm
Big Poppa,
We lost to Marietta 11-10 and then to William Patterson 16-10. We scored 20 runs in 2 games and lost both games. Who would have thought.
You guys lost to Oshkosh and beat Eastern Conneticut State in the 2nd round. I also remember EConn's bat girls!
Actually, we watched your game and couldn't believe Washburn was throwing that hard for being so small. He was 92-94 on all of the scouts guns.
Lieder and Jorgenson combined to hit something like 75 hrs that year!
Lorgensen had 40+!
There was some seroius talent that year in Salem.

Jorgensen hit 42 HRs that season and Leider hit close to 30. It was unreal. Mix in four-time all american Jeff Zappa and  Jarrod Washburn and I am still amazed that they did not come home with the title.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: scuba16 on March 17, 2008, 10:10:38 pm
If I remember correctly, Laverne saved their #1 for later in the tournament and Oshkosh threw Washburn game 1. I guess the only way anyone was going to beat Oshkosh that year was doing something taboo, like not throwing your #1 in game 1. When it works you look like a genius but if you lose you look like a retard!

Old Salem stadium was tiny with concrete block walls. I played CF and the ball would rocket off the walls. The wind blew out all week and runs were scored at will.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: canpickit on March 18, 2008, 01:58:50 am
If you guys were asking people who read/post on this board what and how many World Series' they have been to I thought I'd throw my list out there, one that could be tough to duplicate.  I was on the 2003' National Champion team as well in the 2005, 2006 and 2007 World Series'.  If not for a 2-1 loss in the 04' Regionals to one of the best D3 pitchers of all-time (Hyde from George Fox), I'd love to think I could have been a part of a World Series team every year I played in college (medical redshirt in 06' but was the 4th coach).  I definitely was blessed to be a part of a successful and consistent program that found a way to win year in and year out.  Getting to Appleton 4 times never got old; everyone involved with the tournament were tremendous and gracious hosts.  Its amazing the caliber of people (from the Oshkosk & Lawrence people to the Timber Rattlers ground crew to the host families to the Paper Valley hotel people) who donate their time so selflessly to make the tournament run at such a high level.  Being away from small-school baseball has been tough, but I, as do many others who post on this board, have enough memories to last a lifetime.

P.S.  I have to admit I took some satisfaction out of my alma mater beating the 07 National Champs last night 19-2, maybe extracting a tad revenge for our loss last year in Appleton.  By the way, that Kean team last year was legit, you're not going to find many pitchers better than Augustine and Zeffiro.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: OshDude on March 18, 2008, 05:22:52 am
... Getting to Appleton 4 times never got old; everyone involved with the tournament were tremendous and gracious hosts.  Its amazing the caliber of people (from the Oshkosk & Lawrence people to the Timber Rattlers ground crew to the host families to the Paper Valley hotel people) who donate their time so selflessly to make the tournament run at such a high level ...

Amen. But to be fair, it's about 95 percent Lawrence/host families/T-Rats/Paper Valley and 5 percent Oshkosh, which basically hosts in name only when compared to the others. Oshkosh supplies most of the athletic trainers, its SID and a handful of vendors. While that's something, Lawrence players are the extra guys on the tarp, the dudes supplying the umpires with balls, selling tickets and doing a lot of the other grunt work. The next time you see an Oshkosh player or coach doing that stuff will be the first time.

And I know that stuff is grunt work because I've sold WS tickets in that booth and I've been on that tarp crew (at 3 a.m. the one year I did it). That's because the Lawrence people were beat and the fact that I'm lucky (or unlucky, in this case) enough to hold strong dual LU/UWO ties.

The T-Rats folks are awesome. Thanks for mentioning them. The grounds crew, PR people, the ticket manager and administrative leaders do so much at the WS. It's the relationship with the T-Rats – along with the amazing host families and facilities, from the lodging to the practice areas, to the consistent attendance figures, to a fairly interesting town and area to explore, to the stadium – that make me think that the WS will stay in Grand Chute for a long time, weather permitting  :). At least I hope so. Any knucklehead school(s) can host, but our peripheral offerings would be hard to match.

It's always nice to hear/read people talk/write about their WS experiences. I talked to people from Wheaton who asked if there was a direct petition they could sign and send to the NCAA to make sure the WS stayed in Grand Chute. They even planned to revisit the WS in the future, even if their team wasn't in it. Same thing from the 100s of people I've ever talked to at the WS, including your Chapman fans, although they fully expected to watch their team play in their "May home away from home," as they rightfully put it.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: cubs on March 18, 2008, 09:42:24 am
... Getting to Appleton 4 times never got old; everyone involved with the tournament were tremendous and gracious hosts.  Its amazing the caliber of people (from the Oshkosk & Lawrence people to the Timber Rattlers ground crew to the host families to the Paper Valley hotel people) who donate their time so selflessly to make the tournament run at such a high level ...
Amen. But to be fair, it's about 95 percent Lawrence/host families/T-Rats/Paper Valley and 5 percent Oshkosh, which basically hosts in name only when compared to the others. Oshkosh supplies most of the athletic trainers, its SID and a handful of vendors. While that's something, Lawrence players are the extra guys on the tarp, the dudes supplying the umpires with balls, selling tickets and doing a lot of the other grunt work. The next time you see an Oshkosh player or coach doing that stuff will be the first time.

And I know that stuff is grunt work because I've sold WS tickets in that booth and I've been on that tarp crew (at 3 a.m. the one year I did it). That's because the Lawrence people were beat and the fact that I'm lucky (or unlucky, in this case) enough to hold strong dual LU/UWO ties.
I'm going to call you out on that one!!!!

I was a player for UWO back in the day, and I did the aforementioned things.....  Guess you must have had your eyes closed that year, since you didn't see it though. ::)
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on March 18, 2008, 12:26:07 pm
Here are the top 10 teams in the West region by second-order winning percentage, using the BaseRuns formula to get each team's expected runs scored and allowed. It is not adjusted for opponent or anything, so keep that in mind. Caltech and La Sierra are not included, as I could not find any season stats for either of them. Not all the stats used were completely up to date (especially in the SCAC)....why are there only stats for 2 of Sewanee's supposed 13 games? After each team and their current second-order winning percentage is their rank from the first time I did this list prior to this past weekend's games (most of them, anyway).

1. Texas-Tyler, ASC -- .884 (1)
2. Linfield, NWC -- .870 (5)
3. Pomona-Pitzer, SCIAC -- .829 (NR)
4. Ozarks, ASC -- .809 (3)
5. Trinity (TX), SCAC -- .787 (4)
6. Rhodes, SCAC -- .780 (7)
7. DePauw, SCAC -- .775 (6)
8. Chapman, IND -- .765 (NR)
9. Mary Hardin-Baylor, ASC -- .736 (8 )
10. Redlands, SCIAC -- .735 (NR)

Dropped out: Puget Sound, NWC (3 to 12); Millsaps, SCAC (9 to 11); George Fox, NWC (10 to 14)
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 18, 2008, 02:07:51 pm
Here are the top 10 teams in the West region by second-order winning percentage, using the BaseRuns formula to get each team's expected runs scored and allowed. It is not adjusted for opponent or anything, so keep that in mind. Caltech and La Sierra are not included, as I could not find any season stats for either of them. Not all the stats used were completely up to date (especially in the SCAC)....why are there only stats for 2 of Sewanee's supposed 13 games? After each team and their current second-order winning percentage is their rank from the first time I did this list prior to this past weekend's games (most of them, anyway).

6. Rhodes, SCAC -- .780 (7)
7. DePauw, SCAC -- .775 (6)

Dropped out:  Millsaps, SCAC (9 to 11)

I believe the only SCAC teams that are actually in the West Region are Trinity, Southwestern and Austin College. The other teams are all part of the South region.

JSG
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: OshDude on March 18, 2008, 05:00:41 pm
I'm going to call you out on that one!!!!

I was a player for UWO back in the day, and I did the aforementioned things.....  Guess you must have had your eyes closed that year, since you didn't see it though. ::)

What year was that? Do you know of anyone who did it before or after you? Were you told to do it or did you volunteer? I'm shocked with this news. Every LU guy I ever talked to said they never had any help from UWO players.

I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 18, 2008, 06:59:29 pm
Here are the top 10 teams in the West region by second-order winning percentage, using the BaseRuns formula to get each team's expected runs scored and allowed. It is not adjusted for opponent or anything, so keep that in mind. Caltech and La Sierra are not included, as I could not find any season stats for either of them. Not all the stats used were completely up to date (especially in the SCAC)....why are there only stats for 2 of Sewanee's supposed 13 games? After each team and their current second-order winning percentage is their rank from the first time I did this list prior to this past weekend's games (most of them, anyway).

6. Rhodes, SCAC -- .780 (7)
7. DePauw, SCAC -- .775 (6)

Dropped out:  Millsaps, SCAC (9 to 11)
I believe the only SCAC teams that are actually in the West Region are Trinity, Southwestern and Austin College. The other teams are all part of the South region.

JSG
And Hendrix (http://www.d3baseball.com/school/HDRX).   :)
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: cubs on March 18, 2008, 07:28:15 pm
I'm going to call you out on that one!!!!

I was a player for UWO back in the day, and I did the aforementioned things.....  Guess you must have had your eyes closed that year, since you didn't see it though. ::)

What year was that? Do you know of anyone who did it before or after you? Were you told to do it or did you volunteer? I'm shocked with this news. Every LU guy I ever talked to said they never had any help from UWO players.

I stand corrected.
It was in the 2000 season.....

The only reason I remember the year was because it was quite an eventful one...
-We only got 6 games in on our Spring Trip and and had a bench clearing brawl (bullpens also emptied) against Hendrix College after a runner tried to take out a "young" Vince Mancuso on a play at the plate. 
-We gave up five runs in the bottom of the 9th to lose to UWSP in the WIAC Tournament and finish in 4th, with Whitewater, Point, and La Crosse being crowned "tri-champs."  At that time they still had a point system in place to award the automatic bid.
-Whitewater got the automatic bid that season, and we just so happened to sweep them during the regular season.

Anyway, 2000 was the first year the Series was at Fox Cities Stadium, so there it wouldn't have been possible to work them before, unless of course you wanted to travel to Salem. ;D  Before that however, I (along with other redshirts) also worked during the Midwest Regional that was played at Fox Cities Stadium in 1997 that UWO participated in.

As far as afterwards goes, I couldn't tell you..... and as far as being there, we didn't volunteer.  We were expected to be there!!!
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on March 19, 2008, 01:39:12 am
Oops. That's what I get for assuming. At least I didn't try to stick the entire UMAC in the West.  :P

Next time it will just be West teams, promise. :P
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on March 19, 2008, 02:11:58 am
Okay, revised list without the out-of-region SCAC. Now my top 10 in the West are as follows:

1. Texas-Tyler, ASC - .884
2. Linfield, NWC - .870
3. Pomona-Pitzer, SCIAC - .829
4. Ozarks, ASC - .809
5. Trinity (TX), SCAC - .787
6. Chapman, IND - .765
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor, ASC - .736
8. Redlands, SCIAC - .735
9. Puget Sound, NWC - .704
10. Dallas, IND - .681
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: oldcat on March 19, 2008, 02:56:03 am
CUAfan does the BaseRuns formula include pitching stats or is it strictly based on hitting stats?
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on March 19, 2008, 03:13:20 am
BaseRuns uses hitting stats. The method I used was to calculate team BaseRuns scored and allowed, then input those results into the Pythagorean formula to get an expected winning percentage based off what a team's run differential "should" have been.

Hope that answers your question...it's 2 AM here and I need to get some sleep.   :-\
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: oldcat on March 20, 2008, 12:37:13 am
Yes it makes sense now. thanks. But another question i have is, would you really put Chapman at 6 on your list?
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on March 20, 2008, 12:43:02 pm
Well, I put Chapman at 6 because that's where they came out in the math. They could very well be better than that (and probably are, if recent history is any indication). Thing is, everything I post by way of a ranking list, be it teams or players, is purely what the numbers end up being. I don't try to evaluate whether or not Team A has more talent than Team B, or whether or not Player A has a better pro shot than Player B; I only try to find out who has been better to date, by the numbers. If it helps, you can think of me of the "stats" side of the whole "stats v. scouts" thing. :P
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 20, 2008, 02:19:44 pm
Well, I put Chapman at 6 because that's where they came out in the math. They could very well be better than that (and probably are, if recent history is any indication). Thing is, everything I post by way of a ranking list, be it teams or players, is purely what the numbers end up being. I don't try to evaluate whether or not Team A has more talent than Team B, or whether or not Player A has a better pro shot than Player B; I only try to find out who has been better to date, by the numbers. If it helps, you can think of me of the "stats" side of the whole "stats v. scouts" thing. :P

Basically, he's the West Region's version of Boyd's World. ;-)

And you can consider me to be the perfect combination of stats and scouts. (I'm joking of course)

In all honesty though, an average division III player can start really hot and end up with great numbers because the season is so short. I thought Andrew Teaster of Ozarks was a perfect example of that last year. Typically, the best players will find their way to the top of the stat sheets, but it can go the other way as well. I could probably name quite a few guys I would've rather had up in a clutch situation last year that had significantly lower numbers than Teaster.

There are things that scouts can see (and project for that matter) that a stat sheet might not necessarily convey. At the same time, you can have a a sweet swing, and be a the most phenomenal athlete ever, smooth, fluid, etc. and not ever be able to play this game. Statistics, particularly over a couple of years, can definitely show someone alot, but not everything.

Essentially someone good at manipulating stats can make them tell whatever story they want.

By all accounts I would liken the BaseRuns formula a lot to mid-majors vs. big conference schools (since we're starting the tourney today). It seems to me that solid team can beat up on inferior competition and have be ranked very high in the BaseRuns formula (take a peak at who 5 of Puget Sound's wins are over), while a team that is playing tough competition, winning games by very small margins, but finding a way to win nonetheless might be ranked lower than an actual poll.

That's my two cents, and I'm not sure how well I articulated it, but it doesn't change the fact that CUAfan and all his numbers (Just email Boyd's World and ask for a job man) provide an intresting prospective and another dimension of the game to discuss.

JSG

Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: infielddad on March 20, 2008, 02:45:42 pm
JSG,
I completely agree with your comments on stats being "misleading" and imprecise at the DIII level.
Scouts could care less about stats at the DIII level.  A few years back, my son's roommate, a very, very good pitcher, struck out 19 against a  solid DIII program at the time.
There were 10 scouts as well as 2 cross checkers at the game.  Not  one talked to him afterward.
The other very misleading part about stat comparison, especially in the West region, is the territory is so large  that there isn't comparative consistency in the competition from game to game.  It isn't like they are playing each other over a 20 game period.
Stats can be fun but baseball is a sport where someone can play it very well, and not necessarily have stats that jump out.
 Best illustration would be a very good number 2 hitter behind a great leadoff guy.  If he does his job, he has many situations where he is hitting behind runners, especially in close games.  In the score book, he gets an 0-1.
In the coaches mind, he is playing baseball the way it is supposed to be played and executing at a very high level.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 22, 2008, 01:04:16 pm
Some Guy,

What is the release date of your new rankings?  Just curious when you will have a chance to repost them.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 22, 2008, 01:49:29 pm
Some Guy,

What is the release date of your new rankings?  Just curious when you will have a chance to repost them.

It's tough to say. I would really like to get a list out by tomorrow evening, but I have a lot of work stuff that takes precedence right now. There have been some very impactful games the last week or so and I suspect that my rankings will have changed quite a bit, but we may be looking at next weekend before you get anything more than ten teams in a list and their record.

Sorry to disappoint, though it is very encouraging to know that some people are looking forward to them.

JSG
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on March 24, 2008, 02:42:59 pm
Until JSG can get his rankings posted, here is my new top 10 in the West by second order winning percentage.

1. Texas-Tyler, ASC - .863 (1)
2. Linfield, NWC - .851 (2)
3. Pomonoa-Pitzer, SCIAC - .810 (3)
4. Ozarks, ASC - .792 (4)
5. Chapman, IND - .782 (6)
6. Trinity (TX), SCAC - .747 (5)
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor, ASC - .708 (7)
8. Redlands, SCIAC - .695 (8 )
9. La Verne, SCIAC - .671 (NR)
10. Cal State East Bay, IND - .666 (NR)

Dropped out: Puget Sound (9), Dallas (10)
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2008, 06:12:41 pm
Until JSG can get his rankings posted, here is my new top 10 in the West by second order winning percentage.

1. Texas-Tyler, ASC - .863 (1)
2. Linfield, NWC - .851 (2)
3. Pomonoa-Pitzer, SCIAC - .810 (3)
4. Ozarks, ASC - .792 (4)
5. Chapman, IND - .782 (6)
6. Trinity (TX), SCAC - .747 (5)
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor, ASC - .708 (7)
8. Redlands, SCIAC - .695 (8 )
9. La Verne, SCIAC - .671 (NR)
10. Cal State East Bay, IND - .666 (NR)  In-region record is 9-4.
 
Dropped out: Puget Sound (9), Dallas (10)
That is the one that the Evaulation committee uses.  Games versus San Jose State or Patten University or even Bethany WV are not primary criteria for the NCAA.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on March 25, 2008, 01:51:10 am
Maybe it's just because I'm tired, but I don't get the purpose of that last post, Ralph. Are you trying to say that I have them too low, too high, or that my methodology is somehow flawed? ??? I mean, I know I have games included that are out-of-region (or even out of division), but I don't have the time to go game-by-game from the box scores to get only in-region stats.

That's an honest question, btw.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: OshDude on March 25, 2008, 02:54:06 am
Maybe it's just because I'm tired, but I don't get the purpose of that last post, Ralph. Are you trying to say that I have them too low, too high, or that my methodology is somehow flawed? ??? I mean, I know I have games included that are out-of-region (or even out of division), but I don't have the time to go game-by-game from the box scores to get only in-region stats.

That's an honest question, btw.
When listing records and not stats, I think Ralph's saying it's better to state in-region records because those are the only numbers that mean anything in terms of the postseason.

The in-region record is easy to calculate, especially for West and South teams, if you use the links on the D3baseball homepage. Click on a region on the left. Then choose a team, which takes you to the team's schedule (if the team is a Presto scoreboard provider).

From there the in-region games are clearly noted. Some of the other teams' in-region records are not so easily found. If you find a team that is not directly linked to a schedule complete with in-region games with a bullet point next to the game, find that team's schedule, click on the FAQ section on the left of the D3baseball site, and then on the NCAA tournament link. There you can see which games should be counted for in-region records.

I hate to tread on Ralph's toes and I hope there are no repercussions for doing so, but I'm pretty sure that's what he meant.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 25, 2008, 12:19:16 pm
Advice for all aspects of life: "When in doubt, ask Ralph."
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 25, 2008, 03:52:38 pm
The West region is looking strong right now with many teams in the rankings... #1 Chapman, #4 Texas-Tyler, #18 Mary Hardin-Baylor, #19 Univ of the Ozarks, #23 Pomona-Pitzer and #24 Redlands.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Blackcat00 on March 25, 2008, 07:53:18 pm
With Trinity 8 losses and a mojority of them to the ASC, I just dont see them a top 10 team in the Region. There are more respectible teams out their, but then again that is my opinion.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2008, 11:58:24 pm
Maybe it's just because I'm tired, but I don't get the purpose of that last post, Ralph. Are you trying to say that I have them too low, too high, or that my methodology is somehow flawed? ??? I mean, I know I have games included that are out-of-region (or even out of division), but I don't have the time to go game-by-game from the box scores to get only in-region stats.

That's an honest question, btw.
Thanks and sorry to get back to you this late. :)

I always want us fans thinking about In-region criteria, because the month of May will be consumed by Pool B and Pool C jockeying and then tournament seedings.

I don't think that we have the infrastructure to do a great job (like football and basketball) on Pool C.  Maybe in 2009 or 2010 when we can get timely score reporting...

As for CSU-East Bay, I only had time to go thru one school.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on March 26, 2008, 10:12:49 am
I don't think that we have the infrastructure to do a great job (like football and basketball) on Pool C.  Maybe in 2009 or 2010 when we can get timely score reporting...

No kidding, especially since neither Caltech or the SCIAC can get Caltech's season stats up on either website for some reason.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 26, 2008, 11:52:27 am
I don't think that we have the infrastructure to do a great job (like football and basketball) on Pool C.  Maybe in 2009 or 2010 when we can get timely score reporting...

No kidding, especially since neither Caltech or the SCIAC can get Caltech's season stats up on either website for some reason.

Cal Tech has stats??
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on March 26, 2008, 12:09:49 pm
Well, I presume they do, since they play games...they just might not be very good.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 27, 2008, 04:50:05 pm
Well, I presume they do, since they play games...they just might not be very good.

That was my point.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Browneagle64 on March 28, 2008, 02:21:20 am
Oh No. You guys definately don't want to see the stats on the beaves baseball team. I used to work on the stats crew during winter/ spring sports at Oxy and kinda of didn't like keeping stats on the Oxy/ beaves baseball games due to an large influx of errors, E.R.A, Hits, SB, so forth and so on. It's better if we just keep those in a desk somewher and allow these kids to try to play their hearts out.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: The U For Life on March 31, 2008, 02:08:57 pm
Just Some Guy,

Have played Chapman, George Fox, UT Tyler, and MH Baylor this year.  George Fox was the best team we have played.  Chapman being the second, followed by UT Tyler and MH Baylor.  I can promise you MH Baylor will not win the ASC championship. 
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on April 02, 2008, 04:29:58 pm
Here is my new West Region Top 10 for your perusal.

1. Texas-Tyler, ASC - .835
2. Linfield, NWC - .832
3. Pomona-Pitzer, SCIAC - .810
4. Chapman, IND - .799
5. Ozarks, ASC - .766
6. Trinity (TX), SCAC - .747
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor, ASC - .722
8. Redlands, SCIAC - .695
9. McMurry, ASC - .677
10. Dallas, IND - .677
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on April 02, 2008, 04:44:31 pm
And here are the results of a lot of Excel work. Here I have the top 10 hitters in the West Region by VORP and BsR/PA. Hope everyone finds it interesting. Maybe I'll have region-wide pitching numbers by next week.

VORP
M. Olsen, Puget Sound - 26.73, 98 PA
D. Hedman, Pomona-Pitzer - 24.25, 109
D. Ward, Hendrix - 23.22, 136
Cappalletti, Whittier - 22.21, 106
S. Goss, Occidental - 22.20, 87
D. David, McMurry - 21.82, 141
T. Williams, Concordia-Texas - 21.69, 151
T. Fogerty, Dallas - 20.55, 97
K. Fox, Texas-Tyler - 20.43, 138
S. Marcus, La Verne - 19.86, 116

BsR/PA
M. Olsen, Puget Sound - .378, 98 PA
D. Hedman, Pomona-Pitzer - .358, 109
Cappalletti, Whittier - .348, 106
S. Goss, Occidental - .342, 87
D. Ward, Hendrix - .328, 136
Carmona, Whittier - .325, 67
D. David, McMurry - .325, 141
T. Williams, Concordia-Texas - .319, 151
T. Fogerty, Dallas - .313, 97
E. Jones, Trinity (TX) - .310, 134
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: baseballfan24 on April 02, 2008, 08:42:24 pm
JSG,

I am still looking foward to your analysis on the west rankings. 
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 02, 2008, 10:51:25 pm
JSG,

I am still looking foward to your analysis on the west rankings. 

Time is no man's friend.
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: doctor K on April 04, 2008, 12:08:52 pm
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haha  dang 4 degrees sure would make your arm feel good and loose...i dont know how you guys do it...i commend you for it. if i lived north, id probably just wish i was born a girl or wish i was good at hockey.

The truth is I live to far north.  My school on the other-hand, my school get s to celebrate a national championship every year - okay two years ago we did not get one but lost by the slimest of margins - and our hockey tam is just not good enough - alas.

Jim D. you say it is four degrees there, well it is 75 and clear here but I did have to wear a thicker shirt this morning because of the wind chill factor I think it brought it down to 68 with the wind chill. and speaking of weather last year's western regionals were played At Chapman's Hart park and were played there because of weather in Texas, I am sure you remember the circumstances. This year the western regional are scheduled to be played in Abilene Texas and there are rumbling's around that this tournament is by invitation only. So there is a possibility that certain teams would not be invited, can a team be not invited and have a winning record? Can a team be invited with a less than a winning record than a team that has the better overall record? How is all this determined as far as selection into the tournament? This has perplexed us and the look of bewilderment that came upon our faces when this scenario was laid out in front of us at a game a couple of weeks ago. I thought that why not go straight to the source of information and get the correct answer from someone who would know rather than try to guess at something like this which would be a rumor that could get out of control real fast. so any info that i could get re: this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Jim

Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2008, 01:02:06 pm
Tournament FAQ.

http://www.d3baseball.com/faq/category/NCAA+Tournament

You can get to the tournament by winning the Automatic Qualifier (AQ) bid from your conference (Pool A), win one of the bids set aside for independents or conferences that do not have the AQ (Pool B) or get one of the remaining leftover bids (Pool C).

Austin College made the tournament last year, because they got hot at the SCAC tournament and won the AQ from the SCAC.

 :)
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: doctor K on April 04, 2008, 01:37:56 pm
Thanks Ralph; I thought of going to FAQ's but I figured one of you two would know! The best way to get from point A to point B is go in a sraight line, and if you need to get an answer quick is to go to the source. Thanks
Title: Re: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2008, 01:56:24 pm
Thanks Ralph; I thought of going to FAQ's but I figured one of you two would know! The best way to get from point A to point B is go in a straight line, and if you need to get an answer quick is to go to the source. Thanks
Yeah, it is a two-edged sword.

I can help another fan with a small amount of information, or I can give the fan the tools to use the all of the resources that Pat has given us on these websites. :-\
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 05, 2008, 12:06:06 am
As posted on the national topics forum:

Man, I'm brutal lately. I'm going to start doing everything in word from now on and pasting it when I'm finished. I just accidentally clicked off of this page and erased a list of about 20 names in the West region worth of a mention (including all of the statistical evidence as rationale).

Anyway, I won't get back to all of it tonight, but here's some names and I'll try and come through with some stats later and edit the post - we'll call it a work in progress:

(Note: This first group of hitters/pitchers/utility should cover all of the teams and all of the players that are truly all-american candidates. The next group of 'other notables' features some players that could end the year on the first list, and are currently putting up very solid numbers. They'll tend to be from contending teams and teams I'm more familiar with -- you'll see an abundance of ASC players -- granted part of that is that it's like two full conferences it's so big.)

Hitters:
Drew Hedman (Pomona Pitzer) - my pick for nat'l POTY if it was today
Mike Vass (Chapman)
Michael Olsen (Puget Sound)
Anthony Cappelletti (Whitter)
Evan Jones (Trinity)
Matt Hendryx (Pacific)
Scott Marcus (La Verne)
LaMonte Toney (CalStEB)
Tom Fogerty (UDallas)
Cory Briggs (Ozarks)
Kendall Fox (UT Tyler)
Derek David (McMurry)
Adam Froeschl (UMHB)
Joesph Villegas (UMHB)
Clay Baker (UT Tyler)
Tom Williams (Concordia)

Pitchers:/
Wayde Kitchens (Chapman) - IF he logs enough innings to warrant it at the end of the year. He definitely deserves a mention though.
Evan Bronson (Trinity)
Brian Clark (Linfield)
David Colvin (Pomona Pitzer)
Blake Booher (UT Tyler)
Brett Holland (UT Tyler)
Kyle Barton (Hardin Simmons)
Cody Curry (McMurry)
Mark Cox (UT Dallas)
Curt Dixon (Ozarks)

Utility:
Kurt Yacko (Chapman)
Bruce Cameron (Ozarks)

----------------------------------------

Other Notables:
Hitters:
Ryan Fobert (George Fox)
Zach Gantenbein (Pacific)
Brian Schumaker (Redlands)
Matt Goldstein (Redlands)
Javier Arrieta (Sul Ross)
Stephen Yurchick (McMurry)
Taylor Zambreski (Howard Payne)
Paige Hodges (Mississippi College)
Wayne Pimpton (Hardin Simmons)
David Roux (La College)
Marcus Volz (UMHB)
Andrew White (UMHB)
Brent Vorhees (McMurry)
Robby Finnell (Ozarks)
John Glenn (Ozarks)
Jared Smith (UT Dallas)
Chris Biguenet (UT Dallas)
Kyle Harvey (Texas Lutheran)
Nick Cmerek (Concordia)

Pitchers:
Reese McCulley (Linfield)
Garrett Dorn (Linfield)
Nolan Nicholson (Redlands)
Grant Wheatley (La Verne)
Brian Oates (Trinity)
Josh Alcorn (Hardin Simmons)
RB Garza (UMHB)
Jonathan Russell (Mississippi College)
Todd Koch (Ozarks)
Beau Zeigler (UT Tyler)
Robert Conley (Texas Lutheran)

Again, hopefully I can get some accompanying stats soon, but it's been a busy season at work lately, and I still would like to get a solid update to JSG's West Region rankings.

JSG
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2008, 03:53:57 pm
Playoff conjecture -- April 6, 2008.  (West Region team links (http://www.d3baseball.com/region/West).)

We still have four more weeks of action, but let me give my take on the West Region.

ASC -- A real toss-up.  Eight strong teams enter the ASC tourney with no one team clinching a specific slot to date.  University of Ozarks may be beyond the 500 miles busing radius to Abilene by mappoint.msn.com and so could be sent to a regional somewhere other than Abilene.  I think that the only team with a chance at a Pool C bid coming to Abilene will be University of Texas-Tyler.  That means that someone else would be earning the Pool A bid.  Key match-ups:  Texas-Tyler hosts ASC-East LaCollege this week and goes to Mississippi College the next weekend for 3-game series to determine the seedings for the crossover round of the ASC Tourney.  UMHB and McMurry are leaders in the ASC-West.  UMHB has the season series 2-1 and a 1-game lead on McMurry in the ASC-West standings.

Independents -- Chapman 22-2 overall/16-2 West Region needs to defeat Cal State East Bay today to sweep that 3-game series.  Only West Region losses are to McMurry and to Redlands. Has 3-game series versus P-P on April 19th and and 3-game series versus University of Dallas on May 2-3.  Probably is a Pool B lock.

I have not run the Pool B numbers yet, but CSU-East Bay is 17-8 overall and 11-5 West Region.  They took 2 of 3 from NWC leading Linfield last weekend and 2 of 3 from George Fox two weeks ago.  CSU-EB has today's game with Chapman and a return match on April 26th plus a valuable (in-region) 3-game series vs. WashStL in May.

University of Dallas is 18-10 overall /9-9 West Region and has series with Emory (non-in-region) and Chapman which they need to sweep to climb back into Pool B contention.

Northwest Conference -- Linfield and George Fox are leading this conference.  The conference handles the  geographic isolation with eight four-game series in conference play.  Four games on a weekend build a good bullpen, and Linfield and GFU has added key in-region games to their 40 game schedule.  Linfield lost 2 of 3 to CSU-East Bay.  GFU took 2 of 3 from McMurry but lost 2-3 to CSU-EB in non-conference play. (GFU even has a win over D-I Portland.)  There is no post-season tourney so the winner of the Linfield/George Fox four-game series wins the Pool A bid.

SCAC -- Trinity leads the SCAC-West and has put together a resume versus other in-region opponents.  TU is 24-8 overall/15-7 in-region/ 10-2 in SCAC-West.  They play Millsaps next weekend in a 4-game series.  Millsaps probably goes to the east or north if they win the SCAC Tourney.

SCIAC -- Pomona-Pitzer is 10-2, LaVerne is 9-3 and Redlands is 8-4.  The championship may be determined in the final weekend (May 2-3) when PP and ULV play a three game series.  Redlands took 2 of 3 from ULV and lost 2 of 3  vs. PP.  ULV winning 2 of 3 may throw this conference into the "deep" tie breakers.  (There is no conference tournament.)
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 06, 2008, 09:33:26 pm
Ralph-  Hope you don't mind but I will add a little to the talk about the conference leaders once I get  few minutes to sit down and look at things a little closer.  Stand by.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 06, 2008, 10:48:16 pm
Wow!  I had a nice long message written about the SCIAC and when I hit "post" it told me I was no longer logged in and it erased the entire thing.  I am not going to write it again but I will summarize it.

The SCIAC is a very average conference these days.  No team has been able to win on the national level since the Cal Lutheran teams of the 90's and the La Verne team of 1995.  No matter who wins this conference they will have to most likely go through Chapman and we all know how thats been going the past 8 years.

Pomona is having a pretty good year but they never have to play on the road, which is a pretty nice thing.  They have beat up on some pretty bad teams and also got some big time help from Occidentals bullpen when Oxy allowed 6 runs in the top of the 9th and Pomona went on to win 9-5.  Pomona also won a couple of 1 run games with Redlands which sounds like it was a great series.  The SCIAC is theirs for the taking but they still have 3 with La Verne.  The series with Chapman should give a better idea of where they stack up on a national level.

La Verne in my opinion will win the SCIAC.  After an up-and-down start to the season they seem to be playing much better.  I really don't have much else to say than that except the game they still need to finish with Cal Lutheran could be the biggest game remaining.

Redlands has been so-so lately.  Playing most of your schedule at home is nice, especially when 4 of your 14 road games are at Cal Tech and La Sierra.  Although their stats are pretty gawdy, I don't see them being a factor in the end.

Chapman has pretty much destroyed the SCIAC the past 8 years.  If I am correct, the last time a SCIAC team went to Appleton was 1999.  I don't see it changing any time soon.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 06, 2008, 10:59:23 pm
One more thing to add about some players in the SCIAC having pretty good years.

Anthony Cappelletti from Whittier is hitting .456 with 7 bombs and a .844 slg %

Alex WeberShapiro from Claremont M-S is having apretty solid year hitting .427 with 10 doubles and 4 HR's

Paul Hartman from Cal Lutheran is hitting .360 with 9 doubles and 10 HR's for a pretty nice .730 slg %

I am sure there are a ton of guys out there having great years and these are just a few.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2008, 11:03:59 pm
Jack, we fans are glad to have another contributor out of the SCIAC.

+1 karma to you (applauding your efforts and contributions!) Thanks!  :)

Remember that the West Regional has been awarded to McMurry in Abilene TX.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 07, 2008, 02:16:37 am
Thanks for the welcome Ralph.  I had read on here that the regional was in Abeline.  If you ask me, Chapmans coaches were very smart to schedule a trip to Texas right before the regional.  It can help them get used to the flight and playing on the road, something they rarely have to do.  I am sure they might have figured they can't get the regional every year, especially now that they are pre-determined.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 07, 2008, 02:29:21 am
Thanks for the welcome Ralph.  I had read on here that the regional was in Abeline.  If you ask me, Chapmans coaches were very smart to schedule a trip to Texas right before the regional.  It can help them get used to the flight and playing on the road, something they rarely have to do.  I am sure they might have figured they can't get the regional every year, especially now that they are pre-determined.
McMurry head coach Lee Driggers has scheduled aggressively in the past few years.  He has played the best teams (in-region) that he can, and has even brought in Marietta for Spring Break.

McMurry went to Chapman this year (losing 2 of 3) and I think that Chapman comes to Abilene next year.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 07, 2008, 11:40:32 pm
It is always a plus to schedule aggressively as long as you win your conference.

I will now take a look at the Northwest Conference.

The NWC seems pretty simple to me.  It is a two team race between Linfield and George Fox.  There is no other team within 5 games in the standings and that team (Pacific) is barely over .500.  George Fox and Linfield have been the cream-of-the-crop the past 5-10 years in the NWC and both are playing this year with new coaches and neither has skipped a beat. 

Will the 2nd place team get an at-large bid to the regional in Abeline?  I would venture to say no for George Fox and maybe for Linfield and only because they have not played many out-of-conference games this year.  George Fox made the trek to Abeline once this year and did take 2 of 3 from McMurry.  George Fox also went to Cal State East Bay and lost 2 of 3.  Their only other non-conference games were a loss to an NAIA (Concordia) and a win against a D-I (Portland).  Neither of those games mean a thing. 3-3 overall out of conference.
Linfield took a different route with their non-conference scheduling.  Linfield beat NWC members Whitman and Puget Sound, lost to NAIA Concordia and lost 2 of 3 AT Cal State East Bay.  If Linfield keeps playing like they have been, I see them taking the NWC and moving on to Abeline.

ps-  For "Just Some Guy" I am not trying to steal the spotlight from you, just putting in my $.02 worth.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 08, 2008, 08:08:08 am

ps-  For "Just Some Guy" I am not trying to steal the spotlight from you, just putting in my $.02 worth.
As board moderator, I had real concerns about a specific board that was "named after one guy".  He had excellent insights into the West Region, and was willing to post good content.  He knows the ASC and the SCAC-West very well!  So, I left the title as it was.

This board is becoming the forum for West Region talk about quality teams and progress in the season towards the playoffs.  You haven't stolen his thunder, but rather have added valuable thoughts about the SCIAC.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 08, 2008, 08:15:43 am
It is always a plus to schedule aggressively as long as you win your conference. ...
The balance in the ASC has always made it hard to build a great in-region record, just because you get "beaten-up" inside the ASC.  I think that Coach Driggers has been able to try to build an in-region non-conference record over .600 over 10-12 games against quality opponents.

It is hard to make everyone across the country aware that the ASC-East and the ASC-West are like two distinct conferences, just like the ODAC/USA South or the SCIAC/NWC.  As for competitive balance, the Top 4-5 on the West and the Top 4 on the East are good programs.  To get to the NCAA's you have go thru both conferences.  (We are about 2 schools and then 5-6 years away on each side away from being able to split into two conferences.  :( )
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 08, 2008, 08:47:40 am
This board is becoming the forum for West Region talk about quality teams and progress in the season towards the playoffs.  You haven't stolen his thunder, but rather have added valuable thoughts about the SCIAC.  Thanks.

I agreed 100%, particularly because I haven't had time to post a set of rankings the last couple of weeks. I'm just glad that I seemed to have incited/sparked some solid discussions about the quality teams in the West.

JSG
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: baseballfan24 on April 08, 2008, 12:59:47 pm
It is always a plus to schedule aggressively as long as you win your conference. ...
The balance in the ASC has always made it hard to build a great in-region record, just because you get "beaten-up" inside the ASC.  I think that Coach Driggers has been able to try to build an in-region non-conference record over .600 over 10-12 games against quality opponents.

It is hard to make everyone across the country aware that the ASC-East and the ASC-West are like two distinct conferences, just like the ODAC/USA South or the SCIAC/NWC.  As for competitive balance, the Top 4-5 on the West and the Top 4 on the East are good programs.  To get to the NCAA's you have go thru both conferences.  (We are about 2 schools and then 5-6 years away on each side away from being able to split into two conferences.  :( )

Ralph,

I agree with your assessment entirely.  It is not easy getting out of the ASC conference tournament.  It puts a strain on pitching, and makes the regionals that much more difficult because the playoffs are two weeks in the ASC.  It is a tiresome run just to get to the regionals.  Which is the advantage of those independent schools that have no conference tournaments.  They get to rest and relax if they have earned their way in to the tournament.

After all of that, I really have to think there is not going to be an at large bid coming from the ASC this year unless someone beats Tyler.  Maybe, the Ozarks, but I don't know that they played a very tough or an in region schedule.  That being said it is very difficult for them to play an in region schedule because of their location.  They simply should not be in the west region.

Any thoughts on who will win the ASC tourney?

I have to say Tyler is the definite favorite, but the Ozarks has been solid on the bump this year.  I think UMHB is a quality team, but just like everyone else in the West they can't seem to sweep anyone which makes me think they don't have enough pitching.  McMurry by far has the best offense.  I think the teams to watch (although they have been very inconsistent all year) are Hardin-Simmons (their pitching is tough in the pen) and TLU (their offense keeps getting better).  If those teams get hot down the stretch it could be interesting going into that last weekend, and into the playoffs if they both or just one gets there.  Those are my thoughts.

Any input on some other conferences and how they are playing out?
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 08, 2008, 01:33:11 pm
Thaks Ralph.  I enjoy reading what MOST people on here have to say because it seems like they have a pretty good idea of what they are talking about.

Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on April 08, 2008, 04:41:24 pm
La Verne in my opinion will win the SCIAC.  After an up-and-down start to the season they seem to be playing much better.  I really don't have much else to say than that except the game they still need to finish with Cal Lutheran could be the biggest game remaining.

Like you, regardless of who comes out, I believe the SCIAC representative will be one of the weakest teams in the West Regional. Unlike the poster, from Oxy you seem a lot less biased against the Hens, but still think that La Verne will take the SCIAC.

Provided nothing is wrong with David Colvin (why didn't he pitch against CMS?), I THINK that Pomona will repeat as SCIAC champs. Part of that rational lends to the notion that they're at home in that final double-header of the season against La Verne that I suspect will have huge playoff implications.

Part of that is that if there's runners on in front of Hedman, and you don't intentionally walk him, those runners are crossing home plate.

All that said, La Verne might have the better staff, especially with the way Wheatley and Wilfong have thrown out of the pen. Sweet has been pitching very solid and could match Colvin, and Scott Marcus certainly is no slouch himself in the middle of the Leopard lineup.
One weakness is that they haven't played very good defensive this year - Mehl and Boucher both fielding under .900  ...

I like Pomona, I like their tenacity and instincts tell me they find a way to come out of the West (if Colvin's healthy and continues to start weekend games).

JSG
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 08, 2008, 06:02:48 pm
JSG-

I didn't realize that the Colvin kid from P-P didn't throw this past weekend agains Claremont M-S.  Looking at his numbers he has been pretty good this year.  I wonder if he got hurt or is just tired?  He has had a great year as a freshman and that would be a big blow to lose him.  I guess we will see after this weekend if he is out for an extended period of time or not.  P-P's pitching got knocked around by Claremont M-S all weekend and I would venture to say that La Verne is a better hitting team than  Claremont M-S.
On the offensice side of things, Hedman is a stud and there is no other way to put it.  If he has runners on in front of him you better pray he doesn't hit one over the short-porch in right.  Other than their hitting, P-P doesn't do a whole lot on the bases-  only 10-14 stolen bases and 7 attempts were by one guy.  Only 9 sacrifices all season.  I guess they just let the guys go up and hit, which has worked pretty well so far.

La Verne has some pretty gawdy numbers this year too and I know they are very aggressive, un-like P-P. Scott Marcus is having a monster year for La Verne with 11 bombs and slugging almost .900.  Their starting pitching is a little suspect and seems inconsistent but their bullpen has been pretty lights out.

I really think La Verne will sweep this series or take 2 of 3.  I think I mentioned earlier that P-P needed 6 in the ninth against Oxy to pull out a win.  As far as schedules go, I think La Verne has the "easier" road with Oxy and Claremont M-S ahead (not counting the Chapman series).  P-P has Whittier, who is a very tough team to sweep and Cal Lutheran who has one arm that is pretty good that can beat a lot of teams.  I didn't incude Chapman since they are not SCIAC.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: doctor K on April 09, 2008, 04:24:41 pm
Jack, we fans are glad to have another contributor out of the SCIAC.

+1 karma to you (applauding your efforts and contributions!) Thanks!  :)

Remember that the West Regional has been awarded to McMurry in Abilene TX.

Ralph, last years western regionals were moved to Hart Park because of weather, if there were an issue regarding weather again ( and I am not trying to jinx McMurry )  ;D but where would the next likely place be for the games?

     DK
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2008, 04:56:24 pm
Doctor K,  good question...

Are you familiar with Driggers Field?

I think that that field can handle the weather that may roll thru that time of the year.

I don't know if HSU put in a bid as a backup field.

I think that Abilene D-III sports are outstanding for that reason.  Both HSU and McMurry are quality programs with quality people running them.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: doctor K on April 09, 2008, 05:14:18 pm
Doctor K,  good question...

Are you familiar with Driggers Field?

I think that that field can handle the weather that may roll thru that time of the year.

I don't know if HSU put in a bid as a backup field.

I think that Abilene D-III sports are outstanding for that reason.  Both HSU and McMurry are quality programs with quality people running them.

My sister lives in Arlington and would like to come watch the games, we are playing in Dallas the first weekend of May and she is overjoyed to be able to see her nephew play. With the regionals being played somewhere close and the caliber of ball that is being played this time of year is outstanding. Not that I am insinuating the caliber of ball througout the year is not good it is just that the ambiance of the playoff's if you inow what I mean. Thanks

DK
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 09, 2008, 06:48:28 pm
Doctor K,  good question...

Are you familiar with Driggers Field?

I think that that field can handle the weather that may roll thru that time of the year.

I don't know if HSU put in a bid as a backup field.

I think that Abilene D-III sports are outstanding for that reason.  Both HSU and McMurry are quality programs with quality people running them.

My sister lives in Arlington and would like to come watch the games.  We are playing in Dallas the first weekend of May, and she is overjoyed to be able to see her nephew play. With the regionals being played somewhere close and the caliber of ball that is being played this time of year is outstanding. Not that I am insinuating the caliber of ball throughout the year is not good, it is just that the ambiance of the playoffs if you know what I mean. Thanks

DK
The UDallas campus is less than 30 minutes away from her!  :)
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on April 09, 2008, 08:04:29 pm
Here's my new West top 10. Where it says offense, pitching, and defense rankings, that means how they place by BaseRuns per PA, defense-neutral BaseRun Average, and defensive efficiency within the West Region.

No. Team, Conf - W% (Offense/Pitching/Defense)
1. Texas-Tyler, ASC - .872 (1st/2nd/3rd)
2. Linfield, NWC - .829 (27th/1st/1st)
3. Chapman, IND - .811 (7th/3rd/2nd)
4. Ozarks, ASC - .783 (4th/4th/11th)
5. Trinity (TX), SCAC - .742 (7th/6th/21st)
6. Pomona-Pitzer, SCIAC - .735 (8th/11th/6th)
7. Mary Hardin-Baylor, ASC - .729 (2nd/21st/10th)
8. Redlands, SCIAC - .681 (11th/7th/16th)
9. McMurry, ASC - .678 (3rd/22nd/23rd)
10. George Fox, NWC - .668 (12th/15th/15th)
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on April 10, 2008, 01:06:20 pm
And here are my new player top 10's for the West Region. By way of explanation, BsR/PA means how many BaseRuns a player produces per plate appearance; DBsRA is how many BaseRuns a pitcher allows per 9 IP, given an average defense; and VORP is how many BaseRuns a player/pitcher produced over what a "replacement level" player would have done in the same playing time. Batter PA's are pro-rated by percentage of a team's plate appearances to account for differing schedule lengths, but I do not have any such adjustment at this time for pitchers, which are split (to the best of my ability) into starters and relievers.

BsR/PA
M. Olsen, Puget Sound - .389, 117 PA
Carmona, Whittier - .350, 84
D. David, McMurry - .347, 156
K. Fox, Texas-Tyler - .346, 157
D. Hedman, Pomona-Pitzer - .342, 123
Cappalletti, Whittier - .338, 122
M. Vass, Chapman - .337, 112
T. Fogerty, Dallas - .328, 115
E. Jones, Trinity (TX) - .321, 153
D. Ward, Hendrix - .319, 160

VORP
M. Olsen, Puget Sound – 32.58, 117 PA
K. Fox, Texas-Tyler – 28.23, 157
D. David, McMurry – 28.03, 156
E. Jones, Trinity (TX) – 26.36, 153
D. Hedman, Pomona-Pitzer – 26.16, 123
T. Fogerty, Dallas – 25.69, 115
D. Ward, Hendrix – 25.57, 160
M. Vass, Chapman – 25.39, 112
T. Williams, Concordia-Texas – 24.67, 166
Cappalletti, Whittier – 24.20, 122

Starter DBsRA
W. Kitchens, Chapman – 2.59, 24.2 IP
B. Holland, Texas-Tyler – 2.92, 68.2
E. Bronson, Trinity (TX) – 2.96, 52.2
T. Watt, Pacific Lutheran – 3.26, 39.0
M. Ryder, Menlo – 3.28, 70.0
C. Curry, McMurry – 3.29, 50.1
B. Booher, Texas-Tyler – 3.40, 53.2
G. Dorn, Linfield – 3.45, 54.1
T. Koch, Ozarks – 3.47, 50.0
R. Poffenroth, Trinity (TX) – 3.53, 42.1

Starter VORP
B. Holland, Texas-Tyler – 33.46, 68.2
M. Ryder, Menlo – 31.33, 70.0
E. Bronson, Trinity (TX) – 25.45, 52.2
N. Nicholson, Redlands – 23.32, 73.0
B. Booher, Texas-Tyler – 23.32, 53.2
G. Dorn, Linfield – 23.28, 54.1
C. Curry, McMurry – 22.44, 50.1
W. Willis, Southwestern (TX) – 22.36, 58.2
M. Cox, Texas-Dallas – 21.84, 62.2
M. McCarthy, Redlands – 21.60, 67.1

Reliever DBsRA
K. Yacko, Chapman – 2.29, 33.0 IP
B. Ziegler, Texas-Tyler – 2.52, 26.2
R. Vaughn, Linfield – 2.57, 11.2
T. Fransen, Pacific (OR) – 2.60, 22.1
J. Scheuring, Ozarks – 2.71, 14.2
G. Wheatley, La Verne – 2.76, 20.0
B. Morgan, Louisiana College – 3.06, 16.1
K. Evans, Texas-Tyler – 3.07, 9.1
M. Luzar, Chapman – 3.17, 17.1
J. Denson, Mississippi College – 3.29, 13.0

Reliever VORP
K. Yacko, Chapman – 18.38, 33.0 IP
B. Ziegler, Texas-Tyler – 14.19, 26.2
K. Barton, Hardin-Simmons – 13.55, 31.1
D. Keine, Hendrix – 13.45, 42.1
R. Gustafson, Puget Sound – 13.44, 30.1
Z. Bukowski, Trinity (TX) – 11.71, 26.2
T. Fransen, Pacific (OR) – 11.68, 22.1
M. Lessig, Redlands – 11.43, 32.2
G. Wheatley, La Verne – 10.09, 20.0
P. Schmitt, Cal Lutheran – 9.62, 28.1
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: sagehenalum47 on April 11, 2008, 03:39:32 am
some of you were wondering the status of colvin on Pomona-Pitzer...according to some of my r sagehen sources, Colvin dislocated his left (his pitching arm) shoulder diving for a ball in batting practice, and needs offseason surgery. However, this kid is an incredible athlete and actually played a little bit of high school quarterback, in which he threw RIGHTY. not wanting to give up on his season he has worked the past two weeks to see if he can come back as a righthanded pitcher, and from what i've heard, he is every bit as nasty as a righty...possibly throwing in the mid 80s! he is going to get a start against whittier, so we'll see how he does. in any case this is one mentally tough kid and one mentally tough team. i'm expecting big things
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on April 11, 2008, 12:47:00 pm
If he successfully pulls that off, does that make him eligible for comeback player of the year? I hope it does...that would be one of the most impressive athletic feats I've ever heard. Probably 9 of 10 kids that have that injury end up writing off the rest of their season; Colvin's trying to come back and help his team somehow.

+1 karma to Colvin! :P
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 11, 2008, 12:49:17 pm
That has got to be one of the coolest things I have ever heard.  I am sure he will be on a very short leash since they are in a "pennant race" but still very cool.  Too bad he got hurt while having such a great year.  Just another example of a pitcher thinking he is an athlete ;)
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: sagehenalum47 on April 11, 2008, 09:59:06 pm
just an update on colvin. i made the drive down to claremont to see him throw righty, and i am IMPRESSED. this kid is an absolute bulldog. it took him a few innings to settle in (he left a few pitches out over the plate) but he only gave up 1 run in his last 5 innings of work. overall, 8 IP, 4 runs, 3 earned. he was throwing mid 80s as advertised and his offspeed looked good. Pomona-Pitzer 10-5 over whittier.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 11, 2008, 10:24:24 pm
Sagehenalum47-  The Pomona-Pitzer home page says that Colvin throws right/bats right.  Are you sure he was a LHP before he got hurt?
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: sagehenalum47 on April 12, 2008, 12:03:48 am
the PP roster has always had a number of mistakes in it, including a few guys class yr and positions they play, so maybe they made a mistake? all i know is what ive heard from some old friends on the team...
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: SoCalBaseball998 on April 13, 2008, 05:30:34 pm
some of you were wondering the status of colvin on Pomona-Pitzer...according to some of my r sagehen sources, Colvin dislocated his left (his pitching arm) shoulder diving for a ball in batting practice, and needs offseason surgery. However, this kid is an incredible athlete and actually played a little bit of high school quarterback, in which he threw RIGHTY. not wanting to give up on his season he has worked the past two weeks to see if he can come back as a righthanded pitcher, and from what i've heard, he is every bit as nasty as a righty...possibly throwing in the mid 80s! he is going to get a start against whittier, so we'll see how he does. in any case this is one mentally tough kid and one mentally tough team. i'm expecting big things


I heard about this story, and I had to make the trip out from the San Fernando Valley to check this kid out. Believe it or not he had some amazing stuff coming from the other side. Off speed was solid and fastball had zip with movement. He is a well built kid so the velocity was not very surprising. However, the breakers were still extremely devestating to hitters. Kid has a lot of heart for going through with this. I will definitely be trying the keep up on the story for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 13, 2008, 08:07:09 pm
Here is a question that some of you might be able to answer.

If La Verne wins the SCIAC and George Fox wins the NWC, do either Pomona or Linfield make the tournament?  Both have very good records but I am not sure if the voters would put 2 teams from each conference in the tournament.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 13, 2008, 08:21:10 pm
Jack, we anxiously await:

1)  the 2008 Baseball Handbook.
2)  the first regional rankings.

Those two things will give us the idea of how competitive the West Region has been.  When the information on Pool C bids is made public and we can see the Regional Rankings, then we can get an idea of how P-P and Linfield may stack up.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: sagehenalum47 on April 13, 2008, 10:29:46 pm
i would say PP's pool C chance is going to come down to how they do against Chapman this weekend. if they are able to take 2/3, they have a great shot.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: doctor K on April 16, 2008, 12:29:06 pm
i would say PP's pool C chance is going to come down to how they do against Chapman this weekend. if they are able to take 2/3, they have a great shot.

2 out of 3 from Chapman??? I don't believe that anybody has taken a series from Chapman this year!!! This will be a great weekend for PP if that happens but I dont really believe that Chapman's pitching staff will let that happen especially with the offense, and defense  that Chapman has this year . Yacko is on a terror, Kitchens is throwing great and Voss and some kid named Kyle Redding????, just to name a few Chapman is undoubtbly stacked from top to bottom and the injury to Kitchens has brought in a few new names to the hill Sigmond and Clear that are throwing phenominal., LaVerne was able to hold this potent offense to a few hard earned runs but they were able to get timely hits and runs from the veterns that know how to win. It will be a great baseball weekend no matter the outcome. But we must not forget that Chapman's 18 game winning streak that broke a school record from the 99 season of 17 straight wins is on the line and it will be hard pressed to scratch out a win from them but the games must be played right? That is the great thing about BB anything can happen on any given day. Got to love it!!! ;D
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Browneagle64 on April 16, 2008, 03:30:34 pm
Indeed Saturday's game between the hens and the SCIAC co-champs will be great to hear about. Both teams are on fire and collecting wins with their offense and pitching. However, as mentioned by Doc. K, here's where a tough team like Chapman preveils and shows the d3 world why they are considered the best team in D3baseball.
So. Cal D3baseball couldn't get any better than this. Chapman takes this series away from their Co-champ counterparts by an easy sweep.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: sagehenalum47 on April 16, 2008, 10:52:03 pm
doctor K, you are so amazed with chapman's 18 game winning streak. you realize the sagehens had a 19 game winning streak of their own earlier this season?
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Browneagle64 on April 17, 2008, 01:10:01 am
Welcome to the Boards Hen Alum 47:

While you maybe excited about the Hens current hot 19 or so gaming winning streak, you need to understand that the SCIAC co-champs 19 gaming winning streak comes against opponents that were highly ranked (ehhmm.... 2007 worldseries champ (D3) Kean Univeristy, McMurray, soon to beat Dallas and Pomona.) This team is just loaded with talent as previous poster have mentioned and will do their best to beat the hens. In the end, the panthers walk away with strong wins.

 
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: sagehenalum47 on April 17, 2008, 01:59:26 am
browneagle, I think you are working on a streak of your own. Last I checked, you predicted the Hens lose every spring break game (and instead they've went UNDEFEATED) along with numerous others which came out wrong. Also, I'd check some of the sagehens quality wins: Ithaca, Eastern Conn (both ranked in the top 10 at the time and both against their aces) 2 againt redlands, and against division II cal state san bernardino. This weekend will be a great test to see the sagehens against the best d3 has to offer. but give them a little credit: this team has put together a solid resume and obviously the other d3 voters agree as they are ranked 11th in the latest poll.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: DIIIBASEBALLFAN on April 17, 2008, 03:44:52 am
Wow 2 teams with 26 wins. 2 teams with long winning streaks this season.  Both ranked teams.

These games will be a real challenge to both teams Chapman vs Pomona. A preview of teams that could meet again at the Regionals.

Could have playoff game like intensity at these games. Glad I will get a chance to watch all 3 games this weekend.  Almost like a SOCAL championship series.

An exciting baseball weekend.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Browneagle64 on April 17, 2008, 09:21:11 am
You're absolutely right Hen47 about my own predictions and streak on pomona's games throughout this season. Don't get me wrong, i have given them credit for their wins, but i still feel that the SCIAC co-champs are far better.  In the end, all i have to say is let's just wait and see how the hens do against the best team in the Nation and the best team out in the west.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: doctor K on April 17, 2008, 09:52:10 am
doctor K, you are so amazed with chapman's 18 game winning streak. you realize the sagehens had a 19 game winning streak of their own earlier this season?

I didn't realize the Sagehens had an amazing winning streak going earlier this season - thank you for bringing it to my attention.  Do you know of any other D3 teams that are on a roll with this many wins?  It would be interesting to know. 

This is going to be a very exciting weekend indeed.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on April 17, 2008, 12:58:58 pm
Here is my new Top 10 from last weekend's games with offense/pitching/defense rankings after the expected winning percentage.

1. Texas-Tyler, ASC - .892 (1/1/3)
2. Linfield, NWC - .839 (24/2/1)
3. Chapman, IND - .805 (12/3/2)
4. Ozarks, ASC - .761 (3/7/11)
5. Pomona-Pitzer, SCIAC - .750 (6/10/7)
6. La Verne, SCIAC - .719 (14/4/6)
7. Redlands, SCIAC - .718 (7/5/15)
8. George Fox, NWC - .716 (13/11/10)
9. Trinity (TX), SCAC - .701 (10/6/26)
10. McMurry, ASC - .699 (4/21/18)
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Browneagle64 on April 17, 2008, 02:42:03 pm
Thanks for the insight and assessment CUAfan on these top 10 west team. Here's to a great weekend of d3baseball around the west and the rest of the nation.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: DIIIBASEBALLFAN on April 17, 2008, 06:00:54 pm
Any of these tops teams could win it in the regional. Pitching and defense will be the key. Who ever has the deepest pitching will go the farthest. Offense wins games and pictching/defense wins championships. It takes alot of arms to get through the regional.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CUAfan on April 18, 2008, 11:26:31 am
Here are the new regional player top 5's.

BsR/PA
T. Fogerty, Dallas - .360, 135 PA
M. Olsen, Puget Sound - .351, 134
D. David, McMurry - .344, 175
T. Williams, Concordia-Texas - .335, 182
A. WeberShapiro, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps - .335, 127

VORP
T. Fogerty, Dallas - 33.70, 135 PA
M. Olsen, Puget Sound - 31.12, 134
D. David, McMurry - 30.84, 175
T. Williams, Concordia-Texas - 30.33, 182
D. Hedman, Pomona-Pitzer - 26.94, 140

Starter DBsRA
W. Kitchens, Chapman - 2.58, 33.2 IP
E. Bronson, Trinity (TX) - 2.98, 59.2
B. Booher, Texas-Tyler - 3.08, 71.2
B. Holland, Texas-Tyler - 3.24, 67.1
C. Curry, McMurry - 3.28, 57.1

Starter VORP
M. Ryder, Menlo - 36.40, 84.0 IP
B. Booher, Texas-Tyler - 33.54, 71.2
B. Holland, Texas-Tyler - 30.31, 67.1
E. Bronson, Trinity (TX) - 28.58, 59.2
G. Dorn, Linfield - 27.24, 62.1

Reliever DBsRA
K. Yacko, Chapman - 2.27, 38.0
B. Ziegler, Texas-Tyler - 2.46, 33.0
R. Vaughn, Linfield - 2.48, 12.2
T. Fransen, Pacific (OR) - 2.70, 22.2
J. Brunswick, Pomona-Pitzer - 2.78, 12.1

Reliever VORP
K. Yacko, Chapman - 21.20, 38.0
B. Ziegler, Texas-Tyler - 17.73, 33.0
D. Keine, Hendrix - 15.54, 44.2
Bueno, Whittier - 15.00, 35.2
K. Barton, Hardin-Simmons - 14.70, 36.0
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: SoCalBaseball998 on April 19, 2008, 09:03:34 pm
Came out to the game of Chapman vs Pomona Pitzer today. Saw both. Chapman is stacked bottom to top in their line up. Ball was flying off the barrel, but the wind seemed to be knocking everything down. Yacko was impressive, but in the head-to-head battle Hedman seemed to have gotten the upper hand putting a great swing on a ball and lifting it to the wall. once again, knocked down by the wind. Talked to a cubs scout between games and they seemed very interested in hedman's abilities. kid would have had five bombs today if it wasn't for the wind. first game was rather sloppy overall.

second game was a solid performance on both sides. Tom church of pomona pitzer was dominant on the mound and seemed to be throwing stuff that chapman had never seen before. i think he was throwing a knuckle from my perspective. chapman was definitely hitting the ball hard as expected, but church just had some untouchable stuff at other times.

good series overall. west seems wide open for anyone to go to appleton.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: baseballroxmysox on April 20, 2008, 03:20:32 pm
some of you were wondering the status of colvin on Pomona-Pitzer...according to some of my r sagehen sources, Colvin dislocated his left (his pitching arm) shoulder diving for a ball in batting practice, and needs offseason surgery. However, this kid is an incredible athlete and actually played a little bit of high school quarterback, in which he threw RIGHTY. not wanting to give up on his season he has worked the past two weeks to see if he can come back as a righthanded pitcher, and from what i've heard, he is every bit as nasty as a righty...possibly throwing in the mid 80s! he is going to get a start against whittier, so we'll see how he does. in any case this is one mentally tough kid and one mentally tough team. i'm expecting big things


I heard about this story, and I had to make the trip out from the San Fernando Valley to check this kid out. Believe it or not he had some amazing stuff coming from the other side. Off speed was solid and fastball had zip with movement. He is a well built kid so the velocity was not very surprising. However, the breakers were still extremely devestating to hitters. Kid has a lot of heart for going through with this. I will definitely be trying the keep up on the story for the remainder of the season.


I'm sorry to inform you that Colvin has been a RT handed pitcher his whole career. Please double check for yourself on MaxPreps.com -   Max Preps is an awesome website that has California High School baseball stats on it.  You can look up anyone who played high school Varsity baseball (in Calif) and find out their past stats. 

Here is Colvin's info from his Jr yr.
David Colvin #18 

Position: RHP     Class: Junior 

It would have been an amazing story though  :-[   It certainly created a lot of hype.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2008, 07:25:28 pm
JSG has been quiet about the West Region for a couple of weeks now.

To summarize:

Trinity won the SCAC Pool A bid.  There were no SCAC teams in the Regional Rankings last week, so Rhodes are Millsaps earning a Pool C bid is remote.  If they did, they would likely be sent someplace else to balance the bracket at 6 or 8 teams.

Linfield was stuck on a magic number of "1" until George Fox dropped their magic number to "1".  Linfield earned the NWC Pool A bid for its Monday win over GFU.  Where GFU is ranked in this week's West Regional Rankings remains to be seen.

The ASC begins its tourney on Friday.  McMurry  (ASC-West #1) hosts CTX (ASC-West #2), UT Tyler (ASC-East #1) and Mississippi College (ASC-East #2).

The SCAC is a big mess.  Here (Post # 677) (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4276.677) is the link to  pomonaalum's excellent summary of the permutations involved in determining the SCIAC Pool A Bid.

Chapman is almost assured a Pool B bid.  I think that CSU-East Bay (Post # 138) (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4162.138)  is also in contention, if they sweep three games in the St Louis area this weekend.
Title: Re: Just_Some_Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: SCIACfan5 on November 17, 2008, 02:21:39 pm
Just_Some_Guy,

Got any plans to post up 2009 pre-season rankings for the West Region?
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on January 14, 2009, 02:55:29 am
JSG-  You still out there?  It's getting to be that time of year again and I would love to hear what you think of the '09 season.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Dawgsdad on January 23, 2009, 04:49:59 pm
JSG-  You still out there?  It's getting to be that time of year again and I would love to hear what you think of the '09 season.

JSG,

There must be something magical about your analyses of the west? Being new to this board and to this conference, I'm surprised that not much buzz is happening just two weeks before the season opens... What's it going to be like? Anybody?

Being new to the conference limits my ability to start something, so I'd like to hear from the regulars and those that have some background within the western side of the ASC...

Don't know much about Austin College, but I know a little about Trinity and the match in about three weeks between Trinity and TLU is likely to be a good one. Thoughts?

What about Cal State Hayward (sorry Eastbay) [my wife went there went it was CSUH] - I hear these guys always have good squads...?
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on January 23, 2009, 06:25:09 pm
CSU East Bay is a good team but this will be ther last year we talk about them since they are moving up to D-II.  I fully expect to see them in a regional this year.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: SCIACfan5 on January 23, 2009, 08:25:00 pm
If Just Some Guy isn't around, will someone be willing to do their own ranking of the West Region? I'd like to see how teams are measuring up in the West.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on January 23, 2009, 09:47:29 pm
If Just Some Guy isn't around, will someone be willing to do their own ranking of the West Region? I'd like to see how teams are measuring up in the West.

If you go by the d3.com rankings the West would look like this...


1. Chapman
2. Texas-Tyler
3. Linfield
4. Pacific Lutheran
5. Trinity (TX)
6. Redlands
7. La Verne
8. George Fox

I honestly don't agree with these 100% but I also am not 100% familiar with everyone thats coming back/lost.  That being said, here is my top 8.

1. Chapman- How can you not put them at #1?
2. Trinity- They have  very good pitching back and were 2 runs away from Appleton in '08.
3. Texas-Tyler- This is tough because they have great regular season records but fade badly at the end.
4. Pacific Lutheran- Good players, questionable coach
5. Pomona-Pitzer-  They have a ton of talent back.  Have to find a way not to fade like last year.
6. Linfield- Broscious has it working well in Oregon
7. Cal Lutheran-  Saw their roster.  A lot of new guys and some good returners.
8. La Verne- Been very consistent in the SCIAC the past few years.

Redlands lost a lot of talent from last year, including one of their top pitchers.  I really don't see this team doing a whole lot in '09.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: SCIACfan5 on January 24, 2009, 04:02:12 pm
Thanks Jack. I'm not very familiar with many teams outside SCIAC. Should be an interesting year. Can't wait until the season starts.

Would you put Cal State East Bay somewhere on that list?
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on January 24, 2009, 05:18:16 pm
Now that you mention Csu eAST Bay, I would put them in the 6-7 range and knock Cal Lutheran out of there.  I put Cal Lutheran in there just based on the number of new guys on their roster.  I really know nothing about any of them, just taking a shot in the dark.

East Bay is in their last year of D-III and I have no idea how that will affect them, if at all.  They had a pretty solid team in '08 but they lost their best arm in Viera and their top hitter Lamont Toney.  I am sure CSU East Bay will be solid again.

Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BILLY CHAPEL on January 25, 2009, 02:30:08 pm
Well this my first post and i am going to start with a bang!! I'd like everyone to take note that I am calling the boys Of Cal Lu to not only crack the top 15 very soon but also win the SCIAC!! No one can compete with there staff. very excited to see others response to that
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on January 26, 2009, 08:10:06 am
Well this my first post and i am going to start with a bang!! I'd like everyone to take note that I am calling the boys Of Cal Lu to not only crack the top 15 very soon but also win the SCIAC!! No one can compete with there staff. very excited to see others response to that

The SCIAC has been very weak lately and winning the SCIAC does not really maen as much as it used to. The league's talent level has stayed consistent while the rest of the west has improved.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ullcme41 on January 26, 2009, 05:41:35 pm
In the years past i agree not much has changed, but this year is different, the 2009 class has been solid through the years for the sciac and now is in the finally hoorah for there college baseball career. It will be competitive no doubt, but the not only arms on cal lu, but the POWER arms will eat d3 hitters up. They have 5 pitchers that can scrape 90 and two that can hit 93! what other team in d3 can say that?? they have three pitchers in there pen that would be starters on any other team in america!
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Dawgsdad on January 26, 2009, 06:26:59 pm
I beg to differ with you Ullcme41, there are a lot of d3 players that will camp on this "power" pitching if that's all they have! Also there is a big difference in scraping 90 or 93 and being able to consitently throw at that speed. I know their are some Texas brethern down here that can match your arms! More importantly they'll not be scraping at anything, but effectively using their "power" arms to bring the heat when needed without of losing control...
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: infielddad on January 26, 2009, 07:36:15 pm
It amazes me how many 90 plus mph pitchers are reported in the pre-season by fans. 
Sounds to me like CLU should be playing in Omaha in June if their pitching is that good.
I guess we will find out pretty soon but I, for one, will need to be convinced they have 3 guys in the bullpen who are better than the starters at Chapman, UT Tyler, Trinity and the like.
But it is fun to imagine if you are a CLU fan.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on January 26, 2009, 08:12:34 pm
It amazes me how many 90 plus mph pitchers are reported in the pre-season by fans. 
Sounds to me like CLU should be playing in Omaha in June if their pitching is that good.
I guess we will find out pretty soon but I, for one, will need to be convinced they have 3 guys in the bullpen who are better than the starters at Chapman, UT Tyler, Trinity and the like.
But it is fun to imagine if you are a CLU fan.

I agree.  There is no way they have more than 1 guy that even sniffs 90.  CLU had some good guys in the past but they can not seem to still get those 1-2 guys that dominate like they used to. 
Just like Dawgsdad said, throwing 90-93 means NOTHING if you don't have anything to compliment the fastball.  I have seen a lot of guys that throw 90-91 that were knocked all over the place and guys that throw 87-88 that have a nasty slider of change that eats guys up.
Ullcme41-  Concentrate on your own season and be careful what you say on here, some of these guys are very informed on D-III baseball and will be very quick to call you out.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on January 26, 2009, 09:32:23 pm
They have 5 pitchers that can scrape 90 and two that can hit 93! what other team in d3 can say that??

I would say about 3 or 4 just in the state of Texas alone.

Throwing hard does not equal success, and you should know that.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Dawgsdad on January 26, 2009, 09:56:03 pm
They have 5 pitchers that can scrape 90 and two that can hit 93! what other team in d3 can say that??

I would say about 3 or 4 just in the state of Texas alone.

Throwing hard does not equal success, and you should know that.

Thanks for the back up Jack!
You are also very correct - I know NAIA team that would light you up if all you had were high eighty to low ninety stuff. I can assure most, that of what I've been watching over the summer (summer leagues) and the fall, there are a lot of smart savey pitchers down here in the great state of Texas!!  And you get a few of the older guys to help out the newbees (if they listen) then you'll have a good strong assortment of arm to get you down the road and into the post season....  Brawn along won't cut it (at least not down here) - brawn and brains and some good coaching - look out!!
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Blackcat00 on January 26, 2009, 11:10:28 pm
Concordia has some guys in the 90's this year that transfered in. ST Edwards coach brought up they could have one of the best staffs inthe nation.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on January 26, 2009, 11:19:30 pm
Holy crap!!!  With everyone in the country having pitching staffs that are all throwing 95, this should be a great year...yes, I am being very sarcastic.

This might be a question that could start a new topic but does anyone think the new D-I transfer rules will put more quality players in D-III?  I don't really know if guys will want to sit out a year to play at another D-I or go straight to a smaller school and play right away.  Must be where all of these rocket arms are coming from :P
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ullcme41 on January 27, 2009, 02:48:34 am
To answer your question Mr. Parkman on the D1 and D3 transfering, i definitly think that players should be able to transfer in college baseball, not only up divisions but also down. The reason being is very few if any players in D1 get full scholarships, while D3 gets no athletic scholarships at all, and with the coaches coming and going as the please, this makes players not want to stick around. Not mention how you can have a 17 year old make a decision on where they want to live for the next 3 to 4 years. It takes more than a fun recruiting trip to figure  that tough decision out.

Now to the point of the "power arms" this one really ruffled yalls feathers a bit. I consider in the D3 level if you can hit 90+ you can throw it by guys. The average velo of most teams 78-83 not much more than that. The reason i bring those certain players up is because, excluding one, they all have other pitches they can go to. Yes three out of the pen would start for almost any other team including those texas boys. I agree 90 DOESNT mean good i truly believe you in that case, but 90 does give you room for error which the low 80s does not.

I sure do like the feedback though this is going to be a fun chatroom when reading about everyones outlooks from so many different parts of the country
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ullcme41 on January 27, 2009, 02:49:56 am
Oh and two of the players were fallbacks from D1, one from Fullerton and one from U of San Fran
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on January 27, 2009, 07:57:07 am


Now to the point of the "power arms" this one really ruffled yalls feathers a bit. I consider in the D3 level if you can hit 90+ you can throw it by guys. The average velo of most teams 78-83 not much more than that.

Are you kidding me??? Where are you watching college baseball? 78-83 is a BP fastball and will get hammered by even the worst college hitters. Maybe you are used to seeing the lack of velocity so when some reaches 85-87 you immediately think it must be "scraping" 90 or even 93.

I am really looking forward to watching you backpedal on your statements in the next few weeks when your "untouchables" all get touched.

If I am wrong, I will be the first to admit it.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: infielddad on January 27, 2009, 12:09:45 pm
I'm standing with Big Poppa on this one.
Ullcme, here are some references of a team I watch a lot.
Davis: 88-91; Bleich: 88-91, Inman: 90-92, Storen:90-92; Yount:85-87, Sandbrink:85-88.
That was the pitching staff for Stanford last Spring that got them to the semi-final game in Omaha.  Are we to think CLU has 8 guys that would put the Stanford pitchers in their bullpen? ???
I checked the stats for USF and Fullerton and those two pitchers still have to prove they can pitch at the collegiate level, from what I read.
I am not sure of your DIII background but it sure isn't what I have seen.
For a case in point, in 2003, Trinity had a big 6'5" righty transfer from a JC.
He threw 91-94 straight overhand....and straight.  He absolutely could not get anyone out in the Fall.  The hitters were getting hurt running to the back rack.
Well, they changed his arm angle, his velocity dropped to 88-91 with  hop on the fastball and he developed a nice little slider.  From there, he was one of the best pitchers in the West region and had terrific success in Independent league ball when he graduated.
To further illustrate this point:  According to the  Trinity coaches, Yacko was 88-91 with a great slider in the West Regional in last May.  Bronson was 85-88.  Are you suggesting CLU has 8 guys better than those two, and with more velocity?
Having watched a lot of minor league ball at the low and High A levels, I can tell you that very few Milb teams have 8 guys with the velocity you assert for the CLU staff.
I like your enthusiasm but your comments are lacking in reliability.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Dawgsdad on January 27, 2009, 01:54:04 pm
I have to also agree with Infielddad, and Big Poppa as well.  You certainly don't need or see overpowering stuff at any level. It comes down to location and keeping hitters off balance. I've seen guys look silly at a fastball thrown at 88 and turn right around and crush a 91 heater for extras... As a pitcher if you get too predictable, your doomed no matter how fast you throw.

I also believe that those that just go out there and throw hard all the time don't last long, and will always have arm trouble.  Sure it's nice to know you got the gas in the tank, but the smart ones know how and when to use it to their benefit.

My kid, and some of our Texas boys played in the NYCBL this past summer and were not given a chance. Upper eighties, and lower to mid nineties got them to the championship game against Glen Falls which had more D1 players than anything else and quite honestly, we destroyed them. You know your in a good league of good pitching when you have pitchers that have appeared in more  than half of their teams games and ERA's of just around 1 and can't make any of the conference teams - that's tough competition and no one was as dominate has what CLU fan is highlighting!
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ullcme41 on January 27, 2009, 01:55:23 pm
NO you can trust me big Poopa i know what is and is not good velocity, That velocity is what most D3 pitchers throw sorry to burst your bubble. In saying that I do believe those boys can still compete with the lack of velocity. I don't need to guess velocity, even though im usually right on, because i have had a radar gun in my hand while seeing them play. Not a jugs either a good ole Stalker.

I wont "backpedal" from there velocities because it is what it is, I will not put predictions on there stats, but I will stick by that that kind of pitching they have will make them the favorites in the SCIAC.

As for you infielddad, I said 5 not 8 who are hitting 90+, and i said they would start for any other team in the country, not meaning the group of three go together and take a team over, I meant as individuals, Im not talking about D1 pitchers because this is a D3 chatroom, thought you would put together my bad.
The USF kid Tigert was injured for half the year but has been a top 100 prospect all growing up.

As for that 6'5" kid that turned out 88-91 and a good slider, he would not have been in the independent leagues some pro team would have given him a shot, so maybe ur velo numbers are a little off? Or he looks ridiculous doing it and cant project one litlle bit

And I most definitly am not saying that they are better than Yacko, even though Tigert could get there this year, Because ive seen him first hand and the kid spots up 90 and has a solid two plane slider that makes batters fish, so im please dont assume things  ;D

I sure like this chat though haha
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ullcme41 on January 27, 2009, 01:58:24 pm
what are the name of the kids that were hitting the mid 90s in the NYPL im assuming the New york penn league? Hate to burst you bubble thats not to good of a league, sorry sir
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: infielddad on January 27, 2009, 02:16:41 pm
Oh brother!!!
I can tell you why that 6'5" pitcher did not get drafted and it was not that I overstated or understated his velocity.  It was because he was not projected to improve beyond that level and even though he could get batters out at the DIII level, they did not project the same in Milb.
Ullcme, I have been around a bit.  My son is a former DIII kid...pretty good player. I have watched him play against Team USA, in the MWL All-Star game involving probably 30 guys picked in the first 10 rounds of the 2004 draft.  He has had AB's against Randy Johnson, Homer Bailey(101mph on the gun), Houston Street, amongst others.  I have a pretty good idea of the competition at DIII and how it looks in the bigger world of baseball.
I have a pretty good idea about DIII velocity.
I also know Greg Moore at USF is respected as one of the very top pitching coaches in the Country.  He has had amazing success taking talented but raw pitchers and getting them drafted, and drafted at a very high level.
I like to see kids succeed.  Hopefully Tigert will.  He has not done it yet and it would be quite unusual that he would leave USF and a pitching coach who builds his reputation for getting the most out of pitchers and getting them to the next level.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: theoneandonly on January 27, 2009, 02:24:28 pm
Oh brother!!!
I can tell you why that 6'5" pitcher did not get drafted and it was not that I overstated or understated his velocity.  It was because he was not projected to improve beyond that level and even though he could get batters out at the DIII level, they did not project the same in Milb.
Ullcme, I have been around a bit.  My son is a former DIII kid...pretty good player. I have watched him play against Team USA, in the MWL All-Star game involving probably 30 guys picked in the first 10 rounds of the 2004 draft.  He has had AB's against Randy Johnson, Homer Bailey(101mph on the gun), Houston Street, amongst others.  I have a pretty good idea of the competition at DIII and how it looks in the bigger world of baseball.
I have a pretty good idea about DIII velocity.
I also know Greg Moore at USF is respected as one of the very top pitching coaches in the Country.  He has had amazing success taking talented but raw pitchers and getting them drafted, and drafted at a very high level.
I like to see kids succeed.  Hopefully Tigert will.  He has not done it yet and it would be quite unusual that he would leave USF and a pitching coach who builds his reputation for getting the most out of pitchers and getting them to the next level.

 well put
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ullcme41 on January 27, 2009, 02:32:42 pm
Well put indeed!! I like when people information that give arguments!! Good Stuff, I agree with the rep of The USF pitching coach though i have never worked first hand with him. I believe Tigert left for personal reasons, not because of a following out with the coach. It would definitly be tough to leave that type of coach.

Aas for the velos you have scene my goodness thows are some names!! what team did your son get picked up by thats pretty cool stuff!! I can understand now whay the 6'5" boy didnt get a shot that makes sense, even though its wierd how scouts dont give those guys a plane ticket to compete for a summer. Why not see if they can get the higher level players out? Just have always wondered

Good stuff infileddad
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: infielddad on January 27, 2009, 02:43:34 pm
He was drafted and played himself into a prospect in the Blue Jays organization before an injury and surgery brought his career to an end.
Scouting is a very funny business.  There are those who project what you can do.  And a lot who project what you cannot.
I'll have to check Menlo and CSU East Bay and find out if CLU plays in Northern CA this Spring.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Blackcat00 on January 27, 2009, 03:25:38 pm
Man that many staffs with high 90's. Hell maybe some the games will be on ESPN now!
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2009, 03:39:01 pm
He was drafted and played himself into a prospect in the Blue Jays organization before an injury and surgery brought his career to an end.
Scouting is a very funny business.  There are those who project what you can do.  And a lot who project what you cannot.
I'll have to check Menlo and CSU East Bay and find out if CLU plays in Northern CA this Spring.
IFdad, sorry that CSU-East Bay is moving to D-II, if for no other reason in that it cuts your exposure to D-III in half!

Menlo is committing to D-III this year.

One other note, La Sierra is now 3rd-year provisional.  Games against this Seventh Day Adventist college count as in-region.  LaSierra strictly observes the Sabbath, and does not play on Saturday.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Bob Maxwell on January 27, 2009, 04:09:03 pm
Ullcme41...

You made some goo dpoints about transfering... and then some ridiculous ones about velocity.  I am a late comer to this so I won't beat up on you about it  becasue the others have said much of what I would have said.  I just want to say that I've seen a lof  ot 90 fast balls land over the fence in D-III  because people think that you can just throw it by hitters.  There are a lot of D-III players who could play at the D-I level but don't becasue of what you said about transfers.  Its good baseball to watch...

I like this representation of what a 90 mph fastball does for a pitcher:
Quote
90 DOESNT mean good i truly believe you in that case, but 90 does give you room for error which the low 80s does not.

Very accurate statement...  I've said it for years.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ullcme41 on January 27, 2009, 05:05:08 pm
Mr Maxwell,

With you agreeing about my comment about the 90mph fastball, where are the ridiculous ones on velo? Im not saying they will dominate im saying with those kind of arms it is tough to compete with that kind of depth from game to game. Most teams battle the starters and try to get to the pen, correct??? It is when you get to the pen you tend to pounce on the weaker pitcher. But with the depth that CLU has its going to be tough when they bring in solid pitcher after pitcher game after game. Thats where im going with the 90 comments, not that 90 dominates all!!

You can bash on me a bit its no sweat, these chats would not be fun if everyone keeps on agreeing with eachother and stroke the ego of Chapman haha ;)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 09, 2009, 12:59:01 am
If Just Some Guy isn't around, will someone be willing to do their own ranking of the West Region? I'd like to see how teams are measuring up in the West.

I think my disappearance, or at least my inability to get some rankings out have really aided (and elevated) this discussion board into one of the best in Division III baseball.

My status in terms of free time hasn't really changed since the end of last season, but I will try to stay informed. If I feel I have a good grasp on the landscape of the west region, and find some free time, I will try and put together some rankings.

In doing so, I hope that rather than take my rankings as the definitive word, you all will continue to have these elaborate discussions about this phenomenal region and tremendous young men.

Here's to a great 2009 season!

JSG

Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: nvnorthpaw on February 09, 2009, 01:20:14 am
Infielddad:  checked the schedules and CalLu plays AT CSU-EB this spring break...maybe you should go watch and observe the 5 guys that WILL touch 90..three of those consistently sitting at 90.  Last year one of them (Casillas i believe) no-hit Menlo.  He is the third or fourth guy btw...  There also IS a reason that Tigert was listed as the #1 draft-prospect in all of DIII baseball by Baseball America this spring...I understand it is difficult to believe CLU has this many quality arms which is why you should check them out yourself.  Slimak welcomed a very large number (9 i think) JC players along with a D-II and two D-I transfers.  Go check out the stats as you will see the top two arms (Gelber 2-0 .9 ERA, Tigert 1-0 1.5 ERA  .158 oavg) along with the big bats have performed quite well up to this point.  I am going to go out on a limb and predict CLU takes not only the SCIAC but the entire region.  I've seen Chapman, Trinity, and Tyler all play this spring all ready and only Tyler impressed me. 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: oldcat on February 09, 2009, 01:45:06 am
Chapman has 3 guys that consistently hit 90 all fall, january, and so far this spring. All of which have touched 93 a couple times. I will go out on a limb and say that Cal Lu does not win the west region, even though many think that the ego of Chapman is always being stroked, they will win it this year. I will agree that Chapman got off on the wrong foot losing the series against Whittier, but I think that they will learn from that travesty of a series and go on and dominate. They swept a much better team than most SCIACS this past weekend and looked amazing. I will end this by saying best of luck to Cal Lu and the rest of the SCIAC because Chapman is on a mission this year and no one will stop them.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2009, 02:39:19 am
Having seen Chapman on Saturday at McMurry, the main hole that Chapman needs to fill is the one left by Kurt Yacko.

I think that they will be okay.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dp643 on February 09, 2009, 07:52:37 am
Can we get off this notion that just because you throw 90 MPH that it automatically means you will get people out in D-3?? I have seen plenty of guys that throw 90 get crushed at this level. Not saying these guys will, but just because you can throw that hard means very very little. Let their actions speak louder than this message board.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2009, 09:49:36 am
Can we get off this notion that just because you throw 90 MPH that it automatically means you will get people out in D-3?? I have seen plenty of guys that throw 90 get crushed at this level. Not saying these guys will, but just because you can throw that hard means very very little. Let their actions speak louder than this message board.
Right on dp643
Chapman's Jordan Sigman was hitting mid-80's at best on Saturday.

Inside- outside-change up-inside-inside-low and away...

A pitcher not a thrower.

One of the Chapman relievers hit 92-93, but couldn't hit the strike zone.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: HAMBONE on February 11, 2009, 02:14:10 pm
Can we get off this notion that just because you throw 90 MPH that it automatically means you will get people out in D-3?? I have seen plenty of guys that throw 90 get crushed at this level. Not saying these guys will, but just because you can throw that hard means very very little. Let their actions speak louder than this message board.

I agree with this...baseball is a game of angles and percentages...the only stats that really matter are the ones you will find on the back of any baseball card...when all these phenoms that throw 90+ have some stats (indicating that they actually play) then we can talk about why the data is skewed in one way or the other...any good hitter @ any level of play knows that all 90+ means is that the ball will go further; and if these cats cant throw it in the zone they will weed themselves out in time.

On to more important topics ... I saw where CTX beat UT Tyler in Tyler's season opener ending that beloved 18 game winning streak ... I guess all good things eventually come to an end.  Box score indicated that it was a pretty good pitching matchup, with exception to the top of the first.  Did anyone get to see either of these guys throw this weekend?  Whats the scouting report on Holland? Does he touch 90? I looked the UT Tyler website over and couldnt find any stats that showed how hard their guys throw...

Good luck to eveyone's teams...appears this will be an exciting season with talent across the board in the West Region.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: HAMBONE on February 11, 2009, 02:17:46 pm
I need some Karma...someone please throw me a bone!  I am starting off the season in an 0-2 count.  Even Ted Williams and Pete Rose were only a notch above the mendoza line in these situations.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2009, 02:32:48 pm
I need some Karma...someone please throw me a bone!  I am starting off the season in an 0-2 count.  Even Ted Williams and Pete Rose were only a notch above the mendoza line in these situations.
Okay Hambone!  Give us some game reports from Nelson and Dell Diamond this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dp643 on February 11, 2009, 03:13:34 pm
 Greg Maddux got all the roided up MLB players out topping out at 88.

Ill give my synopsis of Tyler and UMHB after I make that series next weekend up in Tyler (if I can)..
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 11, 2009, 08:28:28 pm
I need some Karma...someone please throw me a bone!  I am starting off the season in an 0-2 count.  Even Ted Williams and Pete Rose were only a notch above the mendoza line in these situations.
Okay Hambone!  Give us some game reports from Nelson and Dell Diamond this weekend.
I honestly don't think there will be much of a contest at Nelson field on Saturday when CTX plays HTU. It should be a five inning game max in my opinion as HT has started 0-10 for the season and looking at their schedule they'll be 0-20 by the time they start conference play. Coach Moore is have a rebuilding year for sure, most of the talent on that team graduated or left last year. It's going to be a long year for him indeed. He's also the acting AD and has little to no help at all...

Now, the game on Tuesday (2/17) at Dell Diamond is a whole different deal - This should be a great game TXW was nationally ranked at 17 within the NAIA and have fared well of late against DIII opponents... If we weren't playing on that day as well, I'd drive the hour to see that contact myself.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Blackcat00 on February 13, 2009, 05:38:37 pm
I would go to Nelson just to talk baseball with Coach Moore. That guy is a class act and always enjoyed talking ball with him when we played him. THey seem to be down this year coming off a great year at HT last season.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Dawgsdad on February 13, 2009, 09:50:46 pm
I would go to Nelson just to talk baseball with Coach Moore. That guy is a class act and always enjoyed talking ball with him when we played him. THey seem to be down this year coming off a great year at HT last season.
I hear ya there Blackcat00. Spent the last three years there with my boy. He's definitely a class act and have forgotten more baseball than many could ever know.
They are having a down year for sure and there seems to be issues brewing within the RRAC that may have an impact on that program. Just not a good year all around.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 22, 2009, 04:35:31 pm
Ahem. The first set of JSG's "Unnofficial" West Region Rankings are coming soon.

I will say that as of right now the West is a muddled mess, and that I suspect these rankings will likely change dramatically throughout the course of the year.

Some good teams were left out that could definitely turn up later this year: Pac Lutheran, UT Dallas, Ozarks, and UMHB to name a few. The SCIAC is the conference featuring the most teams on the list with 4. I'll start putting it out later this evening as I add in commentary,  but probably won't finish until tomorrow.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 22, 2009, 08:07:38 pm
10.) La Verne: 3-5
I realize they’re 3-5 out of the gate, and that’s the only reason they’re #10 and not in the middle of the list. Sure they got swept by what appears to be a really solid Cal Lu team, but they were all very close games (2 were extra innings). They also have two great in-region wins against Chapman, and Pacific Lutheran. If they don’t get too caught up in the sweep, I envision them moving up this list soon.

Look for Hattabaugh, Pinado and Moretti to lead the team offensively, and thought I saw somewhere Jolly may have quit. That would be unfortunate, because with Jolly and Sweet leading the charge and Wheatley on the back end their pitching staff has the experience to succeed.

9.) Concordia: 5-4
The Tornadoes were a fringe team last year, finishing tied for first in the ASC and then defeating UT Tyler in the playoffs. Oh, and they've already shown they can do it again this year too. The addition of Johnson from San Jac appears to be a great one, and Williams can still rake a baseball.

I still think they're going to struggle offensively against better pitching though. To win the ASC, they need the top of the lineup to get on base in front of Williams, and for Coburn to to come through as a #2. I think Whitley is definitely a servicable number 3, and they have more depth to play with on the bump than they did last year.

8.) George Fox: 3-3
It's tough to put the NWC teams in the mix just yet, because we don't have a good representation of what they're capable of yet (though you argue that about any team this early I guess). GFU will have less depth on the mound this year, but do return Bratney and Dalgleish (is that pronounced Dog Leash?) who had successful campaigns last year.

Davis who was great out of the pen last year will be called upon to start. Offensively they'll turn to Wyckoff and Bailey who paced the team (along with Fobert) last year, and have to excited about having a healthy Bo Thunnell back in the line-up.

7.) Redlands: 4-2
Hard to really tell where they're at as well this year. They split a pair with Pacific Lutheran and then swept a Oxy team that won't be a factor. They may be the 4th best team in the SCIAC, which dare I say is stronger this year.

One thing is clear though, they will ride Nolan Nicholson's arm as far as it can take him, and provided he doesn't break down they're tough to beat with him on the bump. They've been a potent offensive team the last couple of years and don't look for that to change with Rizzo, Goldstein, Vane and Stutovoss all back. They also welcome SO TR Manny Cardeiro who has started hot.

6.) McMurry: 5-3
In retrospect, maybe I should have switched them and Concordia considering they were swept by a Chapman team that dropped 2 of 3 to Whittier and both games to La Verne. But, McMurry did sweep an Ozarks team that did not lose a whole lot from their 2nd place ASC East finish last year. This McMurry team lost some very key players including Yurchick at the top, and two mashers in the middle (David and Vorhees).

Dakota Smith and Kyle Martin (I've always thought he was a good LHP) have stepped up nicely in the rotation (Is Johnston hurt?). This team will look for Weston Franco to lead them offensively. And how about SO Jake Mullin off to a torrid start? Cody Curry has to start pitching like he's capable of, or Gaona has to become a starter and bullpen depth gets a bit thin. I'm still unconvinced they're the class of the West this year.

5.)Chapman: 6-4
Look, I get it. They're ranked higher than two of the teams that beat them in a series this year. I am also well aware of what they lost, and no, I don't think they have anybody capable of filling the gap left by Yacko. That said, how many years in a row have they won the West Region title? Okay, so let's give them the benefit of the doubt for another week or two. Kitchens is still a great #1, and Sigman seems to be a solid enough #2.

We'll see how the rest of the staff continues to stack up and develop, but in the meantime watch as this offense continues to hit lots of extra base hits and keep the pressure with the running game. Semel, who's on fire right now won't hit this well all year, but Prechtl probably won't be below .250 much longer either.

4.)Pomona Pitzer: 4-2
What do we know about this team aside from the fact that their SID is pretty slow at updating their stats on the webpage? They just missed the playoffs last year, and might've snuck in over La Verne had Colvin not been injured down the stretch. They return the entire top of their order, including 6 guys that hit over .330 last year. Drew Hedman might be the best hitter in DIII baseball.

Don't forget that they have 3 returning pitchers who all threw more than 60+ IP last year. If Colvin and Church perform like they did last year, and Mandleblatt steps up and throws like he's capable of (they way he did in his '07 campaign), they have a great rotation. Brunswick is a capable 4th starter, long reliever, or closer (4 saves last year), and may potentially be used in all three roles.

3.)Linfield: 3-1
The Wildcats lost nearly their entire offense and one of the best pitchers in the country in Brian Clark. They could reel a little bit this year after winning the central region and finishing 5th in the nation last year. [Just shows you how talented the West region is.] But if they do what they did last year and pitch (2.76 ERA) and play great D (.972) they'll be near the top again.

They do return Stew Davis who hit .363 last year, but they'll definitely miss guys like Mills, Chung, Bachofner and especially Van Cleave. Despite losing Clark, they do return 3 SPs (Larson, McCulley, and Dorn) who all had great years last year, as well as closer Vaughn. If someone can step up and fill that 4th starter spot (remember the 4 game format they play in the NWC), they have a great chance to repeat atop the conference.

2.) UT Tyler : 8-1
They lost a few big sticks (Baker & Damewood), and 1 rotation guy (Cambpell), but they return plenty, and I agree with someone (maybe dp643?) who said they have more depth out of the pen this year, than in the past. Getting to their starters early used to be the key, but Vilade went out and got some transfers (Rozell, Alvarado, R. Campbell) who could potentially fill those gaps.

If Harding, Daleiden and Hood are able to stay hot, and Fox (who's still getting on base at a .450 clip despite slumping) and Towns come on strong they're still the class of the ASC (particularly the East). It is notable though, that CUA seems to have their number.

1.) Cal Lutheran: 8-0
Hey, don't fault me for buying into some this Kingsmen hype early on, especially after they swept what I think is a solid La Verne team (albeit all close games). There's been a lot of chatter about their arms, and we'll get to them in a minute, but the real story is the start of Nick Pinneri. A couple of guys do this year year, and eventually come back to reality, but here's on stat I really like 9 BB, 7 HBP, 1K. Couple that with a .682 average, 1.273 slugging 7-7 stealing bases and that's impressive anyway you slice it.

I won't pretend I know which of these pitchers are transfers (maybe Gelber, Tirgert, and Roe?). The bottom line is this whole team sports the flat bill and the crooked tilt. Tough to beat a team that fashionable. Kidding aside, the Kingsmen will cross their fingers and hope Pinneri stays hot (.279 hitter last year), and that Iden and Hartmann are joined by a few other sticks looking to step up to score runs for this newly acquired pitching staff.

There it is folks. As always, please chime in and offer your opinions. This was a very hard week to do (I should've waited at least another weekend), because there aren't many stats out there yet, and the NWC is about a week behind the rest of the West.

Hopefully I can keep this up the entire year, and not leave you all out to dry like I did last year (but alas, no promises).



JSG
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: indian4life on February 23, 2009, 12:53:58 am

(Is Johnston hurt?).

That's probably all for tonight guys. I'll try to get the other half up tomorrow evening. Sorry to leave you hanging.

JSG

Johnston is no longer with the Indians....due to issues that have been kept within the team and the team only as far as I know and I have very good inside sources.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: mcmguy19 on February 23, 2009, 01:04:09 am

(Is Johnston hurt?).

That's probably all for tonight guys. I'll try to get the other half up tomorrow evening. Sorry to leave you hanging.

JSG

Johnston is no longer with the Indians....due to issues that have been kept within the team and the team only as far as I know and I have very good inside sources.

I know this as well as me and Indian4life are good friends and we have an inside track with McM.  Johnston terminated himself from the baseball team.... You got any good rankings yet JSG?  I would like to see where UTT stands with there RPI as well as the ASC west
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: bbnag101 on February 25, 2009, 12:04:42 am
Just Some Guys;  THANKS for taking the time and doing your 10 top for the West.  Your insight is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 16, 2009, 01:12:22 pm
Big Poppa's Top 25 (Week 4):

An intersting week to say the least... a lot of teams faring the same that were tightly bunched to start with.

01 Trinity (Conn.) 4-0
02 Millsaps 19-2
03 Salisbury 14-2
04 Texas-Tyler 17-4
05 UW-Whitewater 1-2
06 Wooster 9-2
07 Kean 10-3
08 St. Scholastica 11-2
09 Heidelberg 10-2
10 Johns Hopkins 3-3
11 Southern Maine 2-1
12 Eastern Connecticut 4-0
13 Chapman 16-5
14 Cal Lutheran 15-3
15 Linfield 13-3

16 Adrian 4-3
17 Christopher Newport 10-2
18 Thiel 11-3
19 Pomona-Pitzer 16-2
20 Augustana 11-3
21 Carthage 3-0
22 Wheaton (Mass.) 9-1
23 Marietta 5-2
24 UW-Oshkosh 0-0
25 UW-Stevens Point 3-1

*Just missing my Top 25 (no particular order): Shenandoah (15-3), George Fox (12-3), Penn State-Behrend (7-1), Oneota (11-1), Redlands (12-4), Beloit (6-2), Illinois Wesleyan (4-3), Pacific Lutheran (10-5)

** Please feel free to let me know if you feel there is someone I am missing. While I spend hours a day perusing scores and websites, in addition to attending games if I can, it is nearly impossible to keep an eye on all of the D3 teams. There were some teams with great records that I left out as they have not played any competition that really proves their quality yet. Let me know if there is someone I should watch for next week.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 17, 2009, 01:50:49 am
I finally added the ASC and SCAC schools to the mix.  Pretty interesting as it looks like all of the Texas schools are beating up on each other.


TEAM                                    WINNING %
1.   George Fox                      1.000
2.   Pomona-Pitzer                  .917           
3.   Cal Lutheran                     .867
4.   UT Tyler                             .833
5.   Linfield                              .786
      Redlands                          .786
7.   Claremont                        .667
8.   UT Dallas                          .647
9.   Chapman                         .643
10. UMHB                               .625
 
That is the top 10 as of 3/16/09

I realize there is still a lot of baseball to be played but the SCAC West needs to have a team win their conference tourney to get in.
 

 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 17, 2009, 10:38:12 pm
Big Poppa,

I haven't had the ability to delve into the other regions (or the West) as much as I would've liked thus far this year, but at first glance I think your depiction of the West is pretty indicative of what my ratings would entail. I think Tyler is starting to show some vulnerability so it will be interesting to see if they sink back to towards the rest of the pack. The SCIAC and the NWC both have 3 teams we have to keep a close eye on, and it's definitely making for an interesting West Region this year.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 19, 2009, 02:30:11 pm
I will never claim to be as indepth as JSG, but since he has been busy I will try to give a possible regional ranking.  Again this is speculation based on records, and I do not claim it to be official or absolutely correct.

8. Texas Lutheran 14-9 (3-3) - this team has been better than last year, but is probably on the outside looking in right now.  They will need get hot down the stretch, or win their conference because there is probably no at large bid here.  They went 2-1 with Cal St. East Bay and Austin College, beat both Southwestern and Trinity, and swept Miss. College.  They went 2-1 vs. Concordia.  However they were swept by UT-Dallas, and went 1-2 with McMurry.  They have many games ahead of them still.

7. Redlands 13-4 (6-0) - the SCIAC is shaping up as very interesting this year.  This team split with Pacific Lutheran, and still has Cal Lutheran and Pamona to go in conference.  They also have 2 games with Chapman to play.  Potential at large here depending on how the SCIAC shakes down.

6. Linfield 13-3 (10-2) - this team is in a good 3 way race with Pac. Lutheran and George Fox.  Linfield went 3-2 with Pac. Lutheran and still has George Fox to go.

5. George Fox 13-3 (10-0) - much the same as Linfield.  These teams may be interchangeable right now.  They still have Pac. Lutheran and Linfield to play.

4. Chapman 15-6 - this is likely a very debatable positioning.  Chapman swept McMurry on the road, but went 1-2 vs. Whittier and lost 2 to a struggling LaVerne.  They have played pretty well of late, it seems, splitting with Cal Lutheran and Kean.  However, Kean is not in region.  We all know about Chapman, and they will likely be there in the end unless they do not play well down the stetch.  They have 4 with East Bay, 2 with the Redlands, and 3 with Pamona.  Those games could make or break the season for Chapman (in my opinion).

3. Cal Lutheran 16-3 (5-1) - this team has made a big improvement from last year.  Again, it seems that a possible at large is coming from the SCIAC this year, and it could be this team depending on how everything shakes out.  They still have series to play with Pamona and Redlands, and they split with Chapman this year.

2. Pamona Pitzer 16-2 (6-0) - Pamona beat Pac Lutheran earlier this year and sitll have their series with Redlands and Cal Lutheran.  SCIAC is a very interesting conference this year.

1. UT-Tyler 19-4 (3-0) - Tyler is putting up impressive numbers yet again.  They beat Trinity twice, but lost to a struggling Concordia and also went 1-2 to a 10-10 McMurry.  They still have UT-Dalls and Miss. College to play this year.  I don't think anyone in the ASC East will challenge Tyler.  The question will come to if Tyler does not win the whole thing, will they get an at-large over someone from the SCIAC.  At this point in the season I would say yes, but there are many important games to be played still.

Again, I would like to reiterate that I am not claiming to be 100% correct, and these are merely my opinions at this point in the season.  I thought I would give this a shot since JSG has been busy.   

Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 19, 2009, 06:24:43 pm
Again, I would like to reiterate that I am not claiming to be 100% correct, and these are merely my opinions at this point in the season.  I thought I would give this a shot since JSG has been busy.   

+1 Karma

I think you did a tremendous job, and I enjoyed reading your picks and the rationale.

Like I mentioned before, my schedule has been a blessing in disguise because instead of staying the background and reading my ramblings, some intelligent baseball savvy people have stepped forward and provided some solid (and different) insights.

I started drafting some rankings last weekend, and never got around to finishing so maybe I'll have a good starting point to put a batch together this weekend.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2009, 06:52:59 pm
+1 baseballfan24!
 
Please remember that the in-region record ( and not the conference record) is what is viewed by the committee.   ;)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 19, 2009, 06:57:20 pm
I will never claim to be as indepth as JSG, but since he has been busy I will try to give a possible regional ranking.  Again this is speculation based on records, and I do not claim it to be official or absolutely correct.

8. Texas Lutheran 14-9 (3-3) - this team has been better than last year, but is probably on the outside looking in right now.  They will need get hot down the stretch, or win their conference because there is probably no at large bid here.  They went 2-1 with Cal St. East Bay and Austin College, beat both Southwestern and Trinity, and swept Miss. College.  They went 2-1 vs. Concordia.  However they were swept by UT-Dallas, and went 1-2 with McMurry.  They have many games ahead of them still.

7. Redlands 13-4 (6-0) - the SCIAC is shaping up as very interesting this year.  This team split with Pacific Lutheran, and still has Cal Lutheran and Pamona to go in conference.  They also have 2 games with Chapman to play.  Potential at large here depending on how the SCIAC shakes down.

6. Linfield 13-3 (10-2) - this team is in a good 3 way race with Pac. Lutheran and George Fox.  Linfield went 3-2 with Pac. Lutheran and still has George Fox to go.

5. George Fox 13-3 (10-0) - much the same as Linfield.  These teams may be interchangeable right now.  They still have Pac. Lutheran and Linfield to play.

4. Chapman 15-6 - this is likely a very debatable positioning.  Chapman swept McMurry on the road, but went 1-2 vs. Whittier and lost 2 to a struggling LaVerne.  They have played pretty well of late, it seems, splitting with Cal Lutheran and Kean.  However, Kean is not in region.  We all know about Chapman, and they will likely be there in the end unless they do not play well down the stetch.  They have 4 with East Bay, 2 with the Redlands, and 3 with Pamona.  Those games could make or break the season for Chapman (in my opinion).

3. Cal Lutheran 16-3 (5-1) - this team has made a big improvement from last year.  Again, it seems that a possible at large is coming from the SCIAC this year, and it could be this team depending on how everything shakes out.  They still have series to play with Pamona and Redlands, and they split with Chapman this year.

2. Pamona Pitzer 16-2 (6-0) - Pamona beat Pac Lutheran earlier this year and sitll have their series with Redlands and Cal Lutheran.  SCIAC is a very interesting conference this year.

1. UT-Tyler 19-4 (3-0) - Tyler is putting up impressive numbers yet again.  They beat Trinity twice, but lost to a struggling Concordia and also went 1-2 to a 10-10 McMurry.  They still have UT-Dalls and Miss. College to play this year.  I don't think anyone in the ASC East will challenge Tyler.  The question will come to if Tyler does not win the whole thing, will they get an at-large over someone from the SCIAC.  At this point in the season I would say yes, but there are many important games to be played still.

Again, I would like to reiterate that I am not claiming to be 100% correct, and these are merely my opinions at this point in the season.  I thought I would give this a shot since JSG has been busy.   



I love the fact that many others are taking the time to look at the region as a whole too.  I will argue against some of your picks, but only based on In-Region winning percentage.  I would put George Fox at number 1 since they have not lost a game.  Do I think they are the best in the West, no I do not.  I will give you my top 6...

6.  Redlands-  They have done a good job so far but i honestly do not think their pitching will hold up.  They throw Nicholson too much and have a freshman as their number 2.

5.  UT Tyler-  They win a lot, but I don't think they are as dominant as they were in the past.  It seems their pitching depth is a question mark.

4.  Linfield-  Split with PLU in conference games and have beat the crap out of the others in the NWC.  I think they finish runner-up to George Fox in the NWC.

3.  Cal Lutheran-  They have had a big turn around from last year.  Cal Lu has had excelent starting pitching so far this season and have been hitting well too.  Can they beat Redlands, a team that has owned them lately?  Can they get by Pomona, a team they swept last year?

2.  Pomona-Pitzer-  They have played a very weak schedule so far but I have two words for you...Drew Hedman.

1.  George Fox-  For rankings sake, I put them at number 1 since they have yet to lose an in-region game.  I see them winning the NWC, but not getting a number 1 seed in the regional.

I realize many people will think I am crazy for not putting Chapman on here but honestly, I don't think they deserve it YET.  Chapman is 2-5 against the SCIAC so far this year.  They will improve their in-region record soon but as of now I don't think they deserve it.  I can asure you they will get into the Regional when it is all said and done.  I don't see them getting out of it and for the firstt ime in a while, The West will have someone other than Chapman in Appleton.  I think Chapman has pitching problems.  Kitchens has been good, Sigman is good one day and terrible the next, Matamoros has started 5 games and appeared in 6, but has only thrown 28 innings.  I don't think they have the depth.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 19, 2009, 07:40:14 pm
+1 baseballfan24!
 
Please remember that the in-region record ( and not the conference record) is what is viewed by the committee.   ;)

Ralph, I did know that.  I put the teams' conference records especially for Linfield and George Fox because the majority of their in-region games have been conference games.  Once I got going I just figured to go ahead and put everyone's record.

Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 23, 2009, 12:12:49 am
I almost have the up-to-date West region Top 8 by winning percentage, but I am waiting on a Chapman/Oxy result.  I would assume Chapman won, but you never know.
One thing I have noticed is how fast a NWC team can go up in the ranking.  IMO the NWC is good 1-3 but is terrible after that.  Winning all 4 games in one weekend is helping these teams a lot.  George Fox finally lost an in-region game but they are still on top.  I will post the standings when that score is available.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: oldcat on March 23, 2009, 05:14:33 am
chapman beat oxy 24-8. kitchens went 5 innings  and got the win. phillips hit 2 home runs.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 23, 2009, 01:20:41 pm
Thanks OldCat!

Here are the West regions top 8 by winning %.  There should be some more movement int he next few weeks now that all of the tournaments are over.  Like it was said somewhere else, UT Tyler looks to be the only ASC/SCAC team with a shot at a pool C at this point in time.

1.  George Fox         .923%
2.  Pomona-Pitzer    .917%
3.  Cal Lutheran       .867%
4.  Linfield                .833%
5.  UT Tyler               .818%
6.  Redlands             .750%
7.  Pacific Lutheran   .706%
8.  Chapman             .667%

George Fox squares off with Pacific Lutheran in the NWC this weekend.  Neither team can afford to lose more than 2 games.
Pomona-Pitzer and Redlands play in the SCIAC this Friday-Saturday.  I don't see Redlands having the pitching to win.  After looking over stats, it seems to me that Redlands struggles when anyone besides Nicholson is on the mound.  This weekend is HUGE for Redlands.  They can't afford a bad weekend with Cal Lu and Chapman still on their schedule.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 23, 2009, 01:29:10 pm
BigPoppa's Week 5 Poll: (This is getting harder every week as teams are starting to pile up wins. Thanksfully, the conference seasons are approaching and we can hopefully get a little separation).

01 Trinity (Conn.): 8-2 A bit of a stumble this week, but with everyone stmbling a bit behind them, they still hold on to the top spot.

02 Millsaps: 22-3 A nice victory over Illinois Wesleyan and taking 2 of 3 from Hendrix ove the weekend keeps them in contention.

03 Salisbury: 17-3 Only blemish this week was a loss to a 10-3 Richard Stockton.

04 Texas-Tyler: 21-5 Wins versus East Texas Baptist, UT-Dallas and took 2 of 3 from Ozarks. Tyler is looking better every week.

05 UW-Whitewater: 5-3 A great week for Whitewater down south. Beat Otterbein twice and Wooster once while splitting with Carthage.

06 Wooster: 15-3 Only blemish on their week (6-1) was a loss to Whitewater in Florida. Won 12 of their last 13 games.

07 Kean: 13-4 A 3-1 week was highlighted by a win at Chapman.

08 St. Scholastica: 11-2 Did not play this week.

09 Southern Maine: 7-1 A perfect 5-0 week including a win over Johns Hopkins

10 Eastern Connecticut: 10-0 Quickly climbing the rankings. A quality win over Johns Hopkins highlighted their week.

11 Chapman: 16-6 Suffered a loss to Kean and pounded Occidental. After Wayde Kitchens, pitching seems to be an issue.

12 Linfield: 17-3 Swept four from Puget Sound last week. They continue to pile up wins.

13 Pomona-Pitzer 19-3 One of the hottest teams in the nation. Took two from  Keene State and split with Middlebury.


14 Heidelberg: 11-4 Took one on the chin last week with a 1-3 mark. If they wish to be considered a contender, they need to win the big games.

15 Thiel: 11-3 Swept a three game series from Waynesberg over the weekend, but tripped a bit against Hiram. Need to win all those games if they are to be a top program.

16 Wheaton (Mass.): 12-1 Beat a surprisingly tough Rhode Island and took a pair from Springfield. Expect them to start climbing the chart very quickly if their recent play continues.

17 Augustana: 12-3 A 1-0 week in the chilly Midwest included a win versus Aurora.

18 Johns Hopkins: 7-7 The Bluejays suffered rough 4-4 week. Seeing them at .500 this far into the season is a surprise to me.

19 UW-Stevens Point: 8-2 The Pointers appear to be loaded to contend for another WIAC title.

20 Marietta: 8-3 Took a pair from highly touted Heidelberg as well as a split with LaRoche

21 UW-Oshkosh: 1-0 Just getting out of the gates right now, but the Titans look to be loaded again. We’ll have a better feel for them next week as they play a few more games.

22 Cal Lutheran: 17-5 Won two games that they should have, but lost two games to a middle-of-the-road Rutgers-Newark who they needed to beat if they wanted to be considered more than a pretender.

23 York (Pa.): 16-2 Sixteen straight wins finds York in my poll this week.

24 Beloit: 10-2 The Buccaneers are off to good start. 4 wins against a terrible Milwaukee School of Engineering helps, they are beating the teams they are supposed to beat.

25 Cortland State: 11-5 Cortland may have things back on track, but do not expect them to stay here for long if they continue to lose to inferior teams like Farmingdale State.

Dropped out:
Carthage: 6-4 (tough schedule this week knocked them out of the Top 25)

Adrian: 6-7 (another bad week has pushed them from a former top ten team to out of the polls)

Christopher Newport: 13-4-1 (you cannot lose to mediocre teams and expect to stay in the poll)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 23, 2009, 01:39:21 pm
BigPoppa's Week 5 Poll: (This is getting harder every week as teams are starting to pile up wins. Thanksfully, the conference seasons are approaching and we can hopefully get a little separation).

01 Trinity (Conn.): 8-2 A bit of a stumble this week, but with everyone stmbling a bit behind them, they still hold on to the top spot.

02 Millsaps: 22-3 A nice victory over Illinois Wesleyan and taking 2 of 3 from Hendrix ove the weekend keeps them in contention.

03 Salisbury: 17-3 Only blemish this week was a loss to a 10-3 Richard Stockton.

04 Texas-Tyler: 21-5 Wins versus East Texas Baptist, UT-Dallas and took 2 of 3 from Ozarks. Tyler is looking better every week.

05 UW-Whitewater: 5-3 A great week for Whitewater down south. Beat Otterbein twice and Wooster once while splitting with Carthage.

06 Wooster: 15-3 Only blemish on their week (6-1) was a loss to Whitewater in Florida. Won 12 of their last 13 games.

07 Kean: 13-4 A 3-1 week was highlighted by a win at Chapman.

08 St. Scholastica: 11-2 Did not play this week.

09 Southern Maine: 7-1 A perfect 5-0 week including a win over Johns Hopkins

10 Eastern Connecticut: 10-0 Quickly climbing the rankings. A quality win over Johns Hopkins highlighted their week.

11 Chapman: 16-6 Suffered a loss to Kean and pounded Occidental. After Wayde Kitchens, pitching seems to be an issue.

12 Linfield: 17-3 Swept four from Puget Sound last week. They continue to pile up wins.

13 Pomona-Pitzer 19-3 One of the hottest teams in the nation. Took two from  Keene State and split with Middlebury.


14 Heidelberg: 11-4 Took one on the chin last week with a 1-3 mark. If they wish to be considered a contender, they need to win the big games.

15 Thiel: 11-3 Swept a three game series from Waynesberg over the weekend, but tripped a bit against Hiram. Need to win all those games if they are to be a top program.

16 Wheaton (Mass.): 12-1 Beat a surprisingly tough Rhode Island and took a pair from Springfield. Expect them to start climbing the chart very quickly if their recent play continues.

17 Augustana: 12-3 A 1-0 week in the chilly Midwest included a win versus Aurora.

18 Johns Hopkins: 7-7 The Bluejays suffered rough 4-4 week. Seeing them at .500 this far into the season is a surprise to me.

19 UW-Stevens Point: 8-2 The Pointers appear to be loaded to contend for another WIAC title.

20 Marietta: 8-3 Took a pair from highly touted Heidelberg as well as a split with LaRoche

21 UW-Oshkosh: 1-0 Just getting out of the gates right now, but the Titans look to be loaded again. We’ll have a better feel for them next week as they play a few more games.

22 Cal Lutheran: 17-5 Won two games that they should have, but lost two games to a middle-of-the-road Rutgers-Newark who they needed to beat if they wanted to be considered more than a pretender.

23 York (Pa.): 16-2 Sixteen straight wins finds York in my poll this week.

24 Beloit: 10-2 The Buccaneers are off to good start. 4 wins against a terrible Milwaukee School of Engineering helps, they are beating the teams they are supposed to beat.

25 Cortland State: 11-5 Cortland may have things back on track, but do not expect them to stay here for long if they continue to lose to inferior teams like Farmingdale State.

Dropped out:
Carthage: 6-4 (tough schedule this week knocked them out of the Top 25)

Adrian: 6-7 (another bad week has pushed them from a former top ten team to out of the polls)

Christopher Newport: 13-4-1 (you cannot lose to mediocre teams and expect to stay in the poll)

Its funny how different the in-region records are so different than the perception of the ranking.  I do not disagree with you at all, but a team like Chapman has can't afford to lose games.  The Pomona and Redlands series' will be huge for the Panthers.  Nice work on the rankings.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 23, 2009, 01:53:08 pm
Jack- I agree with you completely. I look at my poll on a national level without taking regional records into consideration right now. Your might actually be a better reflection of the NCAA's model for the bids.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 23, 2009, 02:17:30 pm
Jack- I agree with you completely. I look at my poll on a national level without taking regional records into consideration right now. Your might actually be a better reflection of the NCAA's model for the bids.

I do look at it more on a regional basis but only because I don't know a whole lot about the non-west region teams.  I think things will shape up out West in the next few weeks.  The 2 teams I am not 100% sold on are Redlands and Cal Lutheran.  Both of them lost to Rutgers-Newark who, like you said, are a middle-of-the-road team.  Maybe it could be a bad weekend for both, maybe not.
Pomona-Pitzer is on fire, but I checked their schedule and they really haven't played anyone worth much, except for Pacific Lutheran.
La Verne is on a roll right now too.  They always seem to come on strong, although I think it is way too late this year, they could change the SCIAC a little by winning games against Pomona.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: RSSmith on March 23, 2009, 04:23:15 pm
Jack- I agree with you completely. I look at my poll on a national level without taking regional records into consideration right now. Your might actually be a better reflection of the NCAA's model for the bids.

I do look at it more on a regional basis but only because I don't know a whole lot about the non-west region teams.  I think things will shape up out West in the next few weeks.  The 2 teams I am not 100% sold on are Redlands and Cal Lutheran.  Both of them lost to Rutgers-Newark who, like you said, are a middle-of-the-road team.  Maybe it could be a bad weekend for both, maybe not.
Pomona-Pitzer is on fire, but I checked their schedule and they really haven't played anyone worth much, except for Pacific Lutheran.
La Verne is on a roll right now too.  They always seem to come on strong, although I think it is way too late this year, they could change the SCIAC a little by winning games against Pomona.

I wouldn't be too quick to stick Newark in the middle of the road.  I saw them split a DH with Hopkins to open the season, and those boys can hit the ball and play solid defense.  If their pitching heats up, Newark can make some noise in the NJAC where the perennial powers seem to be struggling a bit.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: oldcat on March 23, 2009, 06:58:22 pm
I would like to know the reasoning of putting Kean 7th in the nation while they lost to Chapman, La Verne, and Redlands in one week. They did beat Chapman, but it easily could have gone the other way. Aich did a wonderful job pitching that game while Sigman was not good, only going 2.1 innings.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 24, 2009, 08:29:20 am
I would like to know the reasoning of putting Kean 7th in the nation while they lost to Chapman, La Verne, and Redlands in one week. They did beat Chapman, but it easily could have gone the other way. Aich did a wonderful job pitching that game while Sigman was not good, only going 2.1 innings.

I put Kean 7th because I feel they are great program who has been winning games. They are 13-4 right now with 3 of those losses coming against solid teams with a two-month head start outside on them. The D3Baseball.com poll places them 9th so I guess most of the voters are pretty close to my own line of thinking.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 24, 2009, 02:25:13 pm
This was posted on another board but I thought Iwould put it on here in case others don't see it.

http://www.muhlenberg.edu/sports/abcapoll32409.pdf

I am sure this will lead to a lot of discussion.  WOW!
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: TexasBB on March 24, 2009, 04:50:05 pm
Chapman not even ranked in the top 25!? That was the first thing I noticed.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: DIIIBASEBALLFAN on March 24, 2009, 05:51:11 pm
ABCA POLL WEST REGION TEAMS IN POLL
Rank School Record Points Preseason Rank
3. Texas-Tyler 21-5 217 13
11. Pomona-Pitzer (Calif.) 19-3 160 rv
18. Cal Lutheran 17-5 104 rv
21. George Fox (Ore.) 15-4 70 nr
29. Linfield (Ore.) 17-3 27 17

Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: TexasBB on March 24, 2009, 11:11:19 pm
UTT beat Austin College tonight 12-5 to improve to 22-5 on the season.  The game took place despite alot of rain earlier in the afternoon in Tyler. Fortunetly the infield was covered and the outfield drains well so they could play.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 29, 2009, 12:42:29 pm
Some West Region Guys Doing Some Big Things (Offensive Edition):

*Here are some guys that are tops in the nation in respective categories through 3/22*

Batting Average
5.) Drew Hedman .561 (Pomona)
20.) Joseph Villegas .522 (UMHB)
29.) Javier Arrieta .500 (Sul Ross)
39.) Andrew Blomberg .494 (CMS)
48.) Jordan Post .485 (Pac Lu)

Runs Per Game
6.) Kyle Kuenzi 1.84 (George Fox)
12.) Eric Evenson 1.74 (Linfield)
30.) Matt Wyckoff 1.58 (George Fox)

Doubles Per Game
12.) Mark Rockey 0.73 (Pugent Sound)

Triples Per Game
9.) Matt Goldstein 0.40 (Redlands)
20.) Jordan Hammontree 0.32 (Howard Payne)

Home Runs Per Game
1.) Drew Hedman 0.64 (Pomona)
3.) Javier Arrieta 0.50 (Sul Ross)
9.) Jared Smith 0.44 (UTD)
14.) Zach Atkins 0.42 (Dallas)
17.) Ed Huerta 0.41 (LeTourneau
       Regan Dixon 0.41 (Hardin Simmons)
       Paul Hartmann (Cal Lutheran)
22.) Pat Bailey 0.39(George Fox)
26.) Tom Williams 0.37 (Concordia)

Runs Batted in Per Game
5.) Drew Hedman 2.0 (Pomona)
11.) Jeremy Macklin 1.91 (Texas Lutheran)
14.) Zach Atikins 1.89 (Dallas)
23.) Max Rose 1.68 (CMS)
       Jared Smith 1.68 (UTD)

Slugging Percentage
1.) Drew Hedman 1.232 (Pomona) <-- That's just dumb
6.) Javier Arrieta 1.010 (Sul Ross)
7.) Zach Atkins 1.000 (Dallas)
14.) Mark Rockey 0.946 (Pugent Sound)
27.) Paul Hartmann 0.859 (Cal Lutheran)

On Base Percentage
10.) Drew Hedman .622 (Pomona)
24.) Jordan Post .596 (Pac Lutheran)

Base on Balls Per Game
11.) Randy Lorber 1.36 (UTD)
30.) Ray Martinez 1.09 (Schreiner)

Toughest to Strike Out
19.) James Kang 1K in 90 ABs (Pomona)

JSG

 

Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 29, 2009, 12:50:27 pm
Some West Region Guys Doing Some Big Things (Pitching Edition):

*Here are some guys that are tops in the nation in respective categories through 3/22*

ERA
37.) Chad Jones 1.71 (George Fox)
43.) Blake Booher 1.82 (UT Tyler)

Wins *West had played more games, but..*
Tied for First:
Wayde Kitchens 6 (Chapman)
Nolan Nicholson 6 (Redlands)
Wes Willis 6 (Southwestern)

Saves:
2.) Sam Van Hoozer 6 (UMHB)
4.) Derek Johnson 5 (Redlands)
     Grant Wheatley 5 (La Verne)

Strikeouts Per Nine:
5.) Michael Johnson 14.0 (Concordia)
12.) Matt Coburn 13.0 (Concordia)
14.) Greg Uzee 12.55 (Louisiana College)
17.) Kyle Barton 12.25 (Hardin Simmons)

Hits Allowed Per Nine:
14.) Tommy Rozell 5.39 (UT Tyler)
28.) Evan Hilberg 5.93 (Linfield)

JSG
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 30, 2009, 12:01:13 pm
BigPoppa's Week #6 Top 25:

1. Trinity (CT): 12-2 (an unreal run in the last year and a half... 57-3!!)
2. Millsaps: 24-3 (ennergizer bunnies... just keep on going)
3. E Connecticut: 14-1 (Starting to make me a believer in them)
4. TX-Tyler: 24-5 (the cream of the crop in Texas)
5. Wooster: 15-3 (Appear to have the arms to play into June)
6. Salisbury: 21-4 (still unsure about this team, but they have my vote for now)
7. Whitewater: 6-3 (Brutal schedule... need to score more runs if they wish to play in late May)
8. Wheaton (MA): 17-1 (HUGE climb this week... could be the nation's BEST team)
9. Kean: 17-5
10. Chapman: 19-6 (starting to gel)
11. Linfield: 20-3 (Piling up in-region wins)
12. Pomona-Pitzer: 22-3 (Scorching hot right now... Hedman has 15 HRs)

13. Southern Maine: 12-2
14. St. Scholastica: 11-2 (almost warm enough to get outside for a game)
15. Heidelberg: 12-2
16. Cal Lutheran: 20-5 (Will be quite a battle with Pomona-Pitzer in the SCIAC)
17. Buena Vista: 16-2 (Who??? All they do is win games. One run loss to Eastern Connecticut this week)
18. St. Thomas: 12-5 (Tough schedule... )
19. St. Olaf: 11-5 (Tough Schedule...)
20. Marietta: 10-3
21. Cortland State: 14-6 (still think they are overated)
22. Rochester: 15-3 (impressive win this week vs. Cortland)
23. Shenandoah: 22-4 (22 wins!!! regardless of the level of opponent, that is still impressive)
24. Beloit: 10-2 (I know... who have they beaten... better question is who has beaten them?)
25. Augustana (cannot lose to North Central and expect to remain here for long)

Dropped out: Thiel (14-5), Johns Hopkins (8-8), UW-Stevens Point (9-3... horrible loss to St. Norbert), UW-Oshkosh (5-5... brutal schedule should prepare them for WIAC play), York (16-5... 0-3 weeks cannot happen to a team struggling to make a name for itself)
 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 31, 2009, 12:39:56 am
Updated West Region standings as of 3/30/09.  A little bit of movement this weekend...

1.  Pomona-Pitzer    .933%
2.  Cal Lutheran       .889%
3.  Linfield                .857%
4.  George Fox         .824%
5.  UT Tyler               .808%
6.  Chapman             .722%
7.  Pacific Lutheran   .696%
8.  Redlands              .632%


Chapman continues to climb but there was mention the other day that Kitchens left his start early due to injury.  No idea what happened but that could be a bad break for Chapman.
Linfield and Pomona are on fire!  Both teams still have big games left.  Pomona has Cal Lutheran and Linfield still has George Fox.
Cal Lutheran keeps putting up wins but still has two very big weekends left with Redlands and Pomona.  If they slip up this weekend with Redlands it could mean trouble.
UT Tyler is ranked very high but I still think they have things to prove.  They are racking up wins, but a loss here and there could hurt them.
PLU must keep winning every game. 
Redlands has a make or break weekend ahead with Cal Lutheran.  Losing this series spells doom for Redlands.

The West has some very good teams this year.  I think the regional breaks down with 2 from the SCIAC, 2 from the NWC, Chapman and UT Tyler.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: chakote on March 31, 2009, 01:09:26 pm
Updated West Region standings as of 3/30/09.  A little bit of movement this weekend...

1.  Pomona-Pitzer    .933%
2.  Cal Lutheran       .889%
3.  Linfield                .857%
4.  George Fox         .824%
5.  UT Tyler               .808%
6.  Chapman             .722%
7.  Pacific Lutheran   .696%
8.  Redlands              .632%


Chapman continues to climb but there was mention the other day that Kitchens left his start early due to injury.  No idea what happened but that could be a bad break for Chapman.
Linfield and Pomona are on fire!  Both teams still have big games left.  Pomona has Cal Lutheran and Linfield still has George Fox.
Cal Lutheran keeps putting up wins but still has two very big weekends left with Redlands and Pomona.  If they slip up this weekend with Redlands it could mean trouble.
UT Tyler is ranked very high but I still think they have things to prove.  They are racking up wins, but a loss here and there could hurt them.
PLU must keep winning every game. 
Redlands has a make or break weekend ahead with Cal Lutheran.  Losing this series spells doom for Redlands.

The West has some very good teams this year.  I think the regional breaks down with 2 from the SCIAC, 2 from the NWC, Chapman and UT Tyler.


Hey Jack, Kitchens left his start early last weekend due to a hangnail on his glove hand, all will be okay for this weekend and definitly for PP on the following weekend
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 31, 2009, 01:17:38 pm
Thanks for the Kitchens update. I was thinking it was not too big of a deal with the lack of talk about it on here.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: tloc14 on March 31, 2009, 01:19:45 pm
Things will get really interesting if UT Tyler does not win the ASC conference tournament.  James Vilade has never won a conference tournament in his time at UDallas or UT Tyler.  Since the tourney winner gets an automatic bid, someone who is deserving would get left out....might be UT Tyler again this season.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: IkeepScore on March 31, 2009, 06:31:18 pm
I know this isn't the major leagues but for goodness sakes it is competitive baseball, everyone is playing for a spot in the playoffs...

How on earth does a hang nail on the glove hand sideline the guy? I mean come one those who have seen kitchens, he is a big guy he can handle it! What happened to a little spit, some dirt, and tape, then get back in there?

The glove hand is protected...with a glove right? ... I am skeptical

SCIAC - Things are getting hot, Redlands Puppies play CLU Men with Jeweled hats and the PP Sage chickens play the CMS antlered horses
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: chakote on April 01, 2009, 05:09:06 pm
Updated West Region standings as of 3/30/09.  A little bit of movement this weekend...

1.  Pomona-Pitzer    .933%
2.  Cal Lutheran       .889%
3.  Linfield                .857%
4.  George Fox         .824%
5.  UT Tyler               .808%
6.  Chapman             .722%
7.  Pacific Lutheran   .696%
8.  Redlands              .632%


Chapman continues to climb but there was mention the other day that Kitchens left his start early due to injury.  No idea what happened but that could be a bad break for Chapman.
Linfield and Pomona are on fire!  Both teams still have big games left.  Pomona has Cal Lutheran and Linfield still has George Fox.
Cal Lutheran keeps putting up wins but still has two very big weekends left with Redlands and Pomona.  If they slip up this weekend with Redlands it could mean trouble.
UT Tyler is ranked very high but I still think they have things to prove.  They are racking up wins, but a loss here and there could hurt them.
PLU must keep winning every game. 
Redlands has a make or break weekend ahead with Cal Lutheran.  Losing this series spells doom for Redlands.

The West has some very good teams this year.  I think the regional breaks down with 2 from the SCIAC, 2 from the NWC, Chapman and UT Tyler.


Hey Jack, Kitchens left his start early last weekend due to a hangnail on his glove hand, all will be okay for this weekend and definitly for PP on the following weekend

This was a joke for those of you who didn't know ;D I was trying to make light of this and as far as I know he is fine and will make his next start. I don't know anything like the rest of you :-X ???

Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: TexasBB on April 02, 2009, 12:34:25 pm

From C.M. Stagg post
"From what I saw, the trainer looked like he was checking out Kitchen's shoulder. His velocity was way down, and he did not look like the same guy as I have seen in the past. That's the best I can do, I will be interested to see if he makes his next start"

Blake Booher from UTT has also had issues this season. His stats look great as well as his 6-0 record however he is not the horse he was last season and has been pulled in the first inning twice this year. He also now appears to be on a much more strict pitch count and recently has only gone around 6-7 innings. No word on an injury but you have got to wonder.

What all of this shows is how vulnerable any DIII team is if a top line pitcher goes down or is not as effective as they have been in the past. DIII teams just do not have the depth at pitcher to replace a top line starter. (Actually not even D-I schools can afford to loose their ace.) 

To win the region this year the best team during the regular season may not make it. The team that peaks at the right time and avoids injury will be the region champion.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on April 02, 2009, 12:52:21 pm

From C.M. Stagg post
"From what I saw, the trainer looked like he was checking out Kitchen's shoulder. His velocity was way down, and he did not look like the same guy as I have seen in the past. That's the best I can do, I will be interested to see if he makes his next start"




I had expressed some concern with amount of work Kitchens was getting after only 2-3 weeks into the season. I hope he was not overused as he is a guy who could have a very bright baseball career ahead of him. I would hate to see it sidelined by an overuse injury. Not sure what his status is, but let's hope he is back on the hill this weekend.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: IkeepScore on April 02, 2009, 02:32:28 pm
I now understand the sarcasim chakote!!!

I was really perplexed because i know Kitchens is a tough SOB!!!

In other news.... Friday is almost here which means good matchups
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: chakote on April 03, 2009, 12:34:44 am
I now understand the sarcasim chakote!!!

I was really perplexed because i know Kitchens is a tough SOB!!!

In other news.... Friday is almost here which means good matchups

Yeah just trying to keep it on the lighter side, like you said in one of your earlier posts everyone of those kids is trying to get to the playoffs and they leave everything on the field, just to get that chance for the walnut and bronze trophy in Appleton at Fox cities stadium in Wisconsin
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dgilblair on April 03, 2009, 04:33:52 pm
Updated West Region standings as of 3/30/09.  A little bit of movement this weekend...

1.  Pomona-Pitzer    .933%
2.  Cal Lutheran       .889%
3.  Linfield                .857%
4.  George Fox         .824%
5.  UT Tyler               .808%
6.  Chapman             .722%
7.  Pacific Lutheran   .696%
8.  Redlands              .632%


Chapman continues to climb but there was mention the other day that Kitchens left his start early due to injury.  No idea what happened but that could be a bad break for Chapman.
Linfield and Pomona are on fire!  Both teams still have big games left.  Pomona has Cal Lutheran and Linfield still has George Fox.
Cal Lutheran keeps putting up wins but still has two very big weekends left with Redlands and Pomona.  If they slip up this weekend with Redlands it could mean trouble.
UT Tyler is ranked very high but I still think they have things to prove.  They are racking up wins, but a loss here and there could hurt them.
PLU must keep winning every game. 
Redlands has a make or break weekend ahead with Cal Lutheran.  Losing this series spells doom for Redlands.

The West has some very good teams this year.  I think the regional breaks down with 2 from the SCIAC, 2 from the NWC, Chapman and UT Tyler.


Hey Jack, Kitchens left his start early last weekend due to a hangnail on his glove hand, all will be okay for this weekend and definitly for PP on the following weekend

A hangnail on his glove hand?  Are you kidding? A hangnail on his glove hand.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: utilitycat17 on April 03, 2009, 04:57:12 pm

A hangnail on his glove hand?  Are you kidding? A hangnail on his glove hand.

Is this a joke, or did you neglect to read any of the thread?
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dgilblair on April 03, 2009, 05:50:15 pm
Yeah, I thought chakote was funny and once again I am not.........
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: tloc14 on April 04, 2009, 03:44:04 am
Who all votes for the rankings?  I am a little confused on this.  Is it a coaches vote?  Certainly, no coach in the nation knows all there is to know about teams out of their region...so it must be some sort of regional group.

Anyhow, the reason I ask is the high rankings for UT Tyler.  They seem to be getting ALOT of love from the ranking committees, but they have not really proven much of anything this season.  They have had a handful of quality games and have a losing record in those:  0-1 vs CTX, 1-2 vs McM, 0-1 vs Marietta.  I know they beat Southwestern and took 2 of three vs UTD, but still.  I guess they are getting by on something...maybe press clippings.  I dont know.

Dont get me wrong, I think they have a solid team...I just dont see how they can be ranked so high nationally since they really have no history and have not proven anything on the field. :-\

Anyhow, that i just my opinion.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on April 04, 2009, 08:14:45 am
The reason they have no history is they just moved to D3 two years ago. They have been one of the nation' s best teams since.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dp643 on April 04, 2009, 10:26:38 am
Go look at the stats and look at Michael Johnson from CTX, and you will know why they probably lost that game. The only thing that stands out to me about Tyler is the losing 2 of 3 to McMurry, but they have a history of just playing bad in Abilene. They are more than likely going to win first in the east, host both rounds of the conference tourney, and that bodes extremely well for them .

I dont know where they should be ranked, but they are a very well balanced team, maybe the most balanced in the ASC.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2009, 11:44:10 am
Who all votes for the rankings?  I am a little confused on this.  Is it a coaches vote?  Certainly, no coach in the nation knows all there is to know about teams out of their region...so it must be some sort of regional group.

...
Part of the phenomena that we see in polls is what I call "float up".  A team starts at a certain slot and then "floats up" in the rankings when a team above them has a bad week or drops a slot.

We saw it in Buena Vista in the basketball polls  last season.  They floated to #5 in week 6.

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/09/week6.htm

They were tightly clustered with UW-Platteville and UW-Whitewater only to drop to #10 after the first loss to Wartburg.  They "floated up" to #7 in weeks 9 & 10, only to drop again to #20 in the final poll after they lost in the IIAC semi-finals (again) to Wartburg.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: tloc14 on April 05, 2009, 02:24:54 am
I know UT Tyler's history as a program quite well.  And I understand the "float up" effect, but it just seems odd to me that they are already considered one of the best programs in the nation, considering last season was the first season they could actually participate in post season play.

They have no track record (obviously because they are a new program), but what confuses me more is that they have performed quite poorly against opponents who would be considered playoff teams...namely the teams from the ASC west.  Maybe its an Abeline curse   ;).   Anyhow, I guess they will have time to prove themselves this season because they will be hosting each round of the conference tourney...unless they lay an egg between now and then.

Heres to an exciting couple of weeks   ;D
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 06, 2009, 02:11:54 am
Here are the West Region standings as of 4/6/09.  Things are getting pretty interesting with some teams starting to play very well, while others are starting to slip.

1.  Pomona Pitzer            .944%
2.  Cal Lutheran              .857%
3.  Linfield           .840%
4.  UT Tyler           .828%
5.  George Fox           .806%
6.  Pacific Lutheran           .696%
7.  La Verne           .667%
7.  Chapman           .667%
7.  TLU                           .667%
7.  MISS Col           .667%

I put La Verne ahead of Chapman since ULV took 2 of 2 from Chapman earlier in the year.  La Verne has 12 in-region games left and they could really screw things up if they go on a tear.  There are 9 of those games that could be wins for them, setting up a showdown with Pomona Pitzer. We saw how that book ended last year.

Pomona has a 3 game set with Cal Lutheran and a 3 game set with Chapman left, as well as 3 with La Verne.  Can they keep this up and not have a repeat of last year?


Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: baseballfan24 on April 13, 2009, 12:27:23 pm
I will take my second crack at this.  I was sure to include the in-region of these teams.

8. Pacific Lutheran 21-8 (19-8) - This team split with George Fox and went 3-2 vs Linfield this year.  They split with Redlands and lost to La Verne and Pamona.  This team could still win their conference if they sweep out.  Linfield and George Fox still have to play each other.  It seems very possible that Pac Lu does sweep since the rest of the NWC does not seem to be of the same caliber as the top 3.  I don't think they get in without winning conference because their out of conference, in-region schedule is thin (2-3), and one of those wins was Linfield.

7. Hardin-Simmons 23-13 (22-9) - This team did not seem to play well early, but has started to pile up some wins.  They lost twice early in the season to a 15-20 Southwestern.  They lost twice to Tyler and lost their series with UMHB.  They have won every other conference series and beat UT-Dallas early in the season.  They still have Texas Lutheran to play.  It appears that the winner of that series will win the ASC West.  If HSU could sweep TLU and sweep their first round playoff and get to the championship they could conceivably get an at-large bid.  It would put their record around 30-11. 

6. Texas Lutheran 26-11 (24-10) - This team has gotten hot down the stretch.  I said in the previous post that they would have to win the conference tournament to get in, and that may still be true.  However, with Chapman struggling a little that could open another spot in the regional for an at-large.  For either TLU or Hardin-Simmons to get that spot, one of these teams would probably have to sweep the other, and get to the championship game.  If that was TLU their record in-region would be somwhere around 32-12.  If they sweep HSU and then sweep their first round match up, and then get to the championship of their conference.  That is a lot of "if's" though.  These two teams probably still have to win the conference tourney, but there is that possibility still.

5. Linfield 25-7 (23-7) - They still have the four game series with George Fox left.  They swept Cal St. East Bay, and went 2-3 vs. Pac Lutheran.  Their only other non-conference, in-region game came against Puget Sound who is in their conference.  It seems unfortunate for the NWC that they play four game series.  It does not leave many openings to get out and play other conferences.  It is hard to compare except that they did sweep East Bay who was able to take a game from TLU and George Fox.

4. George Fox 24-7 (21-4) - They still have Linfield to go, and are currently first in their conference.  They won 2 of 3 from East Bay, and split with Pac Lutheran. Just like Linfield they do not have many out of conference games.

3. Cal Lutheran 24-7 (20-4) - I place them ahead of George Fox because they have played, in my opinion, a tougher schedule, and will finish the season with a higher schedule difficulty.  They still have Pamona to play.  They split with Chapman, and swept East Bay.  They beat Hendrix, swept LaVerne, took two of three from Redlands.  I feel that their only bad loss came the other day from Menlo.  If this team does not win their conference they are looking at a great opportunity for an at-large bid.

2. Texas-Tyler 31-6 (28-5) - They play in the East Division which is weaker, but this team just wins.  They will play Mississippi College in Tyler for the East Division title.  They lost two of three to McMurry, and lost to an under achieving Concordia early in the season. They did beat Trinity twice.  This team seems to have an at-large locked up should they not win their conference tourney.  But, I am not the committee.

1. Pamona-Pitzer 28-3 (20-1) - These two may be interchangeable.  Pamona is piling up wins.  They are good, and obviously my pick for number 1 in the west region.  If this team does not win they also seem to have an at-large locked up.  I have nothing more to say other than Pamona just keeps winning.  They have three big series coming up with Chapman, Cal Lutheran, and La Verne.  These should be 9 tough games.  We may learn just how good this team is from these games.

That is it.  Feel free to correct any mistakes I may have made, and feel free to disagree.  These are only my opinions.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 13, 2009, 12:37:39 pm
Good job on the list, baseballfan24.

Just to remind everyone...

There is no specific designation of Pool C bids by region.  A region may be shut out of Pool C at-large bids.

When the first regional rankings come out on April 23, then we can look at Chapman's chances in Pool B.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on April 13, 2009, 01:05:23 pm

When the first regional rankings come out on April 23, then we can look at Chapman's chances in Pool B.

I have no idea of what to expect this time. So many teams are having great seasons right now.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: OshDude on April 14, 2009, 10:07:00 am
Good job on the list, baseballfan24.

Just to remind everyone...

There is no specific designation of Pool C bids by region.  A region may be shut out of Pool C at-large bids.

When the first regional rankings come out on April 23, then we can look at Chapman's chances in Pool B.
Chapman may not even be ranked on 4/23, but so far I see them as a Pool B team. The B's are not very strong this year. As I see it, it's Salisbury, St. Scholastica, Ithaca (probably) and a scramble for the last three.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: TexasBB on April 16, 2009, 10:36:13 am
Good job on the list, baseballfan24.

Just to remind everyone...

There is no specific designation of Pool C bids by region.  A region may be shut out of Pool C at-large bids.

When the first regional rankings come out on April 23, then we can look at Chapman's chances in Pool B.


Chapman may not even be ranked on 4/23, but so far I see them as a Pool B team. The B's are not very strong this year. As I see it, it's Salisbury, St. Scholastica, Ithaca (probably) and a scramble for the last three.


Which leads to the potential of keeping more deserving Pool C candidates out of the national tournament.  The best teams should be represented IMHO. It would be truely unfortunate if a Chapman gets a Pool B bid and 1 or 2 other West Region teams that are ranked higher are left out.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on April 16, 2009, 10:40:16 am
Good job on the list, baseballfan24.

Just to remind everyone...

There is no specific designation of Pool C bids by region.  A region may be shut out of Pool C at-large bids.

When the first regional rankings come out on April 23, then we can look at Chapman's chances in Pool B.


Chapman may not even be ranked on 4/23, but so far I see them as a Pool B team. The B's are not very strong this year. As I see it, it's Salisbury, St. Scholastica, Ithaca (probably) and a scramble for the last three.


Which leads to the potential of keeping more deserving Pool C candidates out of the national tournament.  The best teams should be represented IMHO. It would be truely unfortunate if a Chapman gets a Pool B bid and 1 or 2 other West Region teams that are ranked higher are left out.

I agree, but that is the way the rules are set up. Pool B teams do not have any other way to earn a automatic bid through a conference.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2009, 11:31:12 am
Pool B functions like a big conference for all of the independents.

The number of Pool B bids is determined by the access ratio.  The access ratio is the number of schools in Pool A conferences, the conferences that get automatic bids, divided the number of those conferences.

(The 2009 Handbook has revised its text, taking out the calculations for Pool B but it is right at 6 bids).

Chapman will not be taking a bid away from a Pool A school.

Also, there is no restriction by region on the number of bids that a region's teams can receive.  Linfield went to the playoff at Augustana last season.  (George Fox came to Abilene.)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on April 16, 2009, 12:43:18 pm
Pool B functions like a big conference for all of the independents.

The number of Pool B bids is determined by the access ratio.  The access ratio is the number of schools in Pool A conferences, the conferences that get automatic bids, divided the number of those conferences.

(The 2009 Handbook has revised its text, taking out the calculations for Pool B but it is right at 6 bids).

Chapman will not be taking a bid away from a Pool A school.

Also, there is no restriction by region on the number of bids that a region's teams can receive.  Linfield went to the playoff at Augustana last season.  (George Fox came to Abilene.)

Correct, Ralph. I think the West could be looking at a few extra bids with some teams being shipped to other regions.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: royhobbs on April 16, 2009, 01:35:49 pm
Could be a wild wrap up for teams in the West. Anyone know if Kitchens will  pitch versus Pomona? Cal Lu/ Pomona series should be interesting, we'll find out how good Cal Lu's pitching really is at the Homer Dome! Both teams are very good. NWC and ASC should also have a lot of shaking out. Should be possible for some team to sneak into a playoff spot  if they finish strong.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 20, 2009, 12:06:32 am
West Region standings as of 4/19/09

1.  Pomona-Pitzer (23-1)    .958%
2.  Cal Lutheran  (23-4)     .852%
3.  George Fox  (26-5)       .839%
4.  UT Tyler  (29-6)            .829%
5.  Pacific Lutheran (25-8) .758%
     Linfield (25-8)               .758%
7.  Miss. Col. (16-7)           .696%
8.  Hardin Simm. (23-11)   .676%

Chapman is 14-11 (.560%) as a Pool B team.

Big series coming up in the SCIAC and NWC.  Pomona Pitzer and Cal Lutheran have a 3 game series next weekend and George Fox and Linfield have a 4 game set in the NWC. 
It seems that the only hope for Linfield is to sweep George Fox.  3 of 4 will do them no good.  Unless PLU really slips up, I think they are in the Regional.
Cal Lutheran can't afford many more losses.
UT Tyler needs to win the ASC Tourney to keep Cal Lutheran's hopes alive for a pool C.
 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 20, 2009, 09:12:05 am
West Region standings as of 4/19/09

1.  Pomona-Pitzer (23-1)    .958%
2.  Cal Lutheran  (23-4)     .852%
3.  George Fox  (26-5)       .839%
4.  UT Tyler  (29-6)            .829%
5.  Pacific Lutheran (25-8) .758%
     Linfield (25-8)               .758%
7.  Miss. Col. (16-7)           .696%
8.  Hardin Simm. (23-11)   .676%

Chapman is 14-11 (.560%) as a Pool B team.

Big series coming up in the SCIAC and NWC.  Pomona Pitzer and Cal Lutheran have a 3 game series next weekend and George Fox and Linfield have a 4 game set in the NWC. 
It seems that the only hope for Linfield is to sweep George Fox.  3 of 4 will do them no good.  Unless PLU really slips up, I think they are in the Regional.
Cal Lutheran can't afford many more losses.
UT Tyler needs to win the ASC Tourney to keep Cal Lutheran's hopes alive for a pool C.
 
Jack,

I'm curious why TLU doesn't show up in this discussion? They took two of three from HSU this weekend, and have swept MC earlier in the year.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on April 20, 2009, 09:16:30 am
I am guessing that TLU's in-region record is below the other 8 teams. JP has them ranked in order of in-region winning percentage.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 20, 2009, 09:25:49 am
I am guessing that TLU's in-region record is below the other 8 teams. JP has them ranked in order of in-region winning percentage.

Thanks Big Poppa. I'll have to double check this but I think TLU in-region is 26-11 or .707 (got this using Jack's numbers from an earlier post going into this past weekend). I'll recheck my numbers in a while... need to get my day moving :)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on April 20, 2009, 10:24:55 am
BigPoppa's Top 25: April 20th

01 Pomona-Pitzer... all they do is win
02 Millsaps... quickly becoming one of the nation's elite
03 Southern Maine... 8-0 this week. WOW!
04 St. Scholastica... might be the biggest sleeper in the nation, even at 24-2
05 Salisbury... 33-5 means they get it done day after day
06 Texas-Tyler... can they survive the ASC post-season or will they stumble again?
07 Trinity (Conn.)... poised to make another run?
08 Heidelberg... great team that is overlooked in its region
09 Kean... settling in after a tough west coast trip early in the year.
10 Eastern Connecticut... playing like the team everyone thought they were.
11 Wheaton (Mass.)... a tough week for them, but still good enough to hang around the top 10
12 Carthage... CCIW#1A...should have the CCIW #1 seed locked up this week.
13 George Fox... somehow, GF will not win it's own conference and will be a bubble team when the bids come out.
14 Ithaca... Bombers are back on track and pounding teams.
15 Wooster... playing well agains after a mis-step last week.
16 St. Thomas... MIAC #1 team
17 Cal Lutheran... Really needs Texas-Tyler to win the Pool A in the ASC... bubble team for Pool C
18 Shenandoah... not really sure about this team yet, but 31 wins speaks for itself.
19 Illinois Wesleyan... CCIW #1B... great team that is just hitting its stride
20 Keystone... Will be the next 30 win team
21 Curry... 7-1 last week! Impressive to say the least... deep staff to do that.
22 Pacific Lutheran... Controls the NWC
23 Mount St. Mary...19-4 right now... make or break week for them
24 Buena Vista... 23-6...showing cracks in their armor.
25 UW-Whitewater...18-9, but still winning games in the tough WIAC.

Dropped out:
UW-Oshkosh (no idea what to think of this team... most up and down team I have ever seen),
St. Olaf (Can they grab a second MIAC bid... I am not sure yet)
Marietta (Do you want to be a big dog or not?)
Thomas More ( It was fun while it lasted, huh?)
Linfield (Cannot lose a pair to lowly Willamette)
 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2009, 11:01:09 am
I am guessing that TLU's in-region record is below the other 8 teams. JP has them ranked in order of in-region winning percentage.

Thanks Big Poppa. I'll have to double check this but I think TLU in-region is 26-11 or .707 (got this using Jack's numbers from an earlier post going into this past weekend). I'll recheck my numbers in a while... need to get my day moving :)
Dawgsdad is right.  TLU is 26-11.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 20, 2009, 01:54:09 pm
West Region standings as of 4/19/09

1.  Pomona-Pitzer (23-1)    .958%
2.  Cal Lutheran  (23-4)     .852%
3.  George Fox  (26-5)       .839%
4.  UT Tyler  (29-6)            .829%
5.  Pacific Lutheran (25-8) .758%
     Linfield (25-8)               .758%
7.  Miss. Col. (16-7)           .696%
8.  Hardin Simm. (23-11)   .676%

Chapman is 14-11 (.560%) as a Pool B team.

Big series coming up in the SCIAC and NWC.  Pomona Pitzer and Cal Lutheran have a 3 game series next weekend and George Fox and Linfield have a 4 game set in the NWC. 
It seems that the only hope for Linfield is to sweep George Fox.  3 of 4 will do them no good.  Unless PLU really slips up, I think they are in the Regional.
Cal Lutheran can't afford many more losses.
UT Tyler needs to win the ASC Tourney to keep Cal Lutheran's hopes alive for a pool C.
 
Jack,

I'm curious why TLU doesn't show up in this discussion? They took two of three from HSU this weekend, and have swept MC earlier in the year.

You are correct, mistake on my part.  I left them off for no reason.  The standings should go like this.

1. Pomona-Pitzer
2. Cal Lutheran
3. George Fox
4. UT Tyler
5. Pacific Lutheran
    Linfield
7. TLU
8. Miss. College

Darn, second mistake of my life ;D
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Dawgsdad on April 20, 2009, 05:37:46 pm
West Region standings as of 4/19/09

1.  Pomona-Pitzer (23-1)    .958%
2.  Cal Lutheran  (23-4)     .852%
3.  George Fox  (26-5)       .839%
4.  UT Tyler  (29-6)            .829%
5.  Pacific Lutheran (25-8) .758%
     Linfield (25-8)               .758%
7.  Miss. Col. (16-7)           .696%
8.  Hardin Simm. (23-11)   .676%

Chapman is 14-11 (.560%) as a Pool B team.

Big series coming up in the SCIAC and NWC.  Pomona Pitzer and Cal Lutheran have a 3 game series next weekend and George Fox and Linfield have a 4 game set in the NWC. 
It seems that the only hope for Linfield is to sweep George Fox.  3 of 4 will do them no good.  Unless PLU really slips up, I think they are in the Regional.
Cal Lutheran can't afford many more losses.
UT Tyler needs to win the ASC Tourney to keep Cal Lutheran's hopes alive for a pool C.
 
Jack,

I'm curious why TLU doesn't show up in this discussion? They took two of three from HSU this weekend, and have swept MC earlier in the year.

You are correct, mistake on my part.  I left them off for no reason.  The standings should go like this.

1. Pomona-Pitzer
2. Cal Lutheran
3. George Fox
4. UT Tyler
5. Pacific Lutheran
    Linfield
7. TLU
8. Miss. College

Darn, second mistake of my life ;D

No need to accept blame Jack, I certainly didn't intend to find you at fault for anything - just wasn't sure why TLU wasn't mentioned... Thanks for the notation.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: nvnorthpaw on April 24, 2009, 01:42:26 am
Can someone please explain to me why Redlands is ranked ahead of CLU in the freshly-releases regional rankings!?  CLU has a better record, has played tougher competition(especially considering Hendrix is now making a threat to beat out Millsaps for the SCAC), beat Redlans in the regular season, and Redlands currently is sitting in 3rd place in the SCIAC while CLU is in 2nd!  I'm quite confused by this...
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2009, 01:10:37 pm
Can someone please explain to me why Redlands is ranked ahead of CLU in the freshly-releases regional rankings!?  CLU has a better record, has played tougher competition(especially considering Hendrix is now making a threat to beat out Millsaps for the SCAC), beat Redlans in the regular season, and Redlands currently is sitting in 3rd place in the SCIAC while CLU is in 2nd!  I'm quite confused by this...
Several of us are.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on April 24, 2009, 01:18:44 pm
If I were Cal Lu, I'd be hoping that Hendrix has a great run the rest of the way to boost Cal Lu's SOS.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: ILVBB on February 14, 2010, 07:24:19 pm
Just some guy:

I look forward to your wisdom; the west is almost 2-weeks into the season, I would like to hear what people are thinking!

Time to "crank up" the regional "gossip" machine.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 14, 2010, 07:51:14 pm
With about 90% of the games left to play its way too early to predict who will be there at the end but for now these teams are in the my top 10 in the West. I let someone else try to figure how where 1 to 10 they should rank. Alot of baseball still left to play and someone not listed now will be there in May. The West Region in the recent past only gets 6 spots for the regional playoffs so it seems like always a good team stays home.

With 4 Pool A Bids. Teams will be fighting for those last 2 spots.

NWC
Pacific Lutheran(7-0)
Linfield(4-0)

SCIAC
Cal Lutheran(5-2)
Redlands(4-1)

SCAC
Trinity(6-1)
Hendrix(3-0)
Millsaps(3-0)

ASC
Texas Lutheran(4-1)
Texas Tyler(3-2)

Independent
Chapman(3-1)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2010, 11:15:05 am
With about 90% of the games left to play its way too early to predict who will be there at the end but for now these teams are in the my top 10 in the West. I let someone else try to figure how where 1 to 10 they should rank. Alot of baseball still left to play and someone not listed now will be there in May. The West Region in the recent past only gets 6 spots for the regional playoffs so it seems like always a good team stays home.

With 4 Pool A Bids. Teams will be fighting for those last 2 spots.

NWC
Pacific Lutheran(7-0)
Linfield(4-0)

SCIAC
Cal Lutheran(5-2)
Redlands(4-1)

SCAC
Trinity(6-1)
Hendrix(3-0)
Millsaps(3-0)

ASC
Texas Lutheran(4-1)
Texas Tyler(3-2)

Independent
Chapman(3-1)
Just a reminder...

The West Region is not automatically guaranteed any Pool C bids.  When CSU-East Bay was D-III, we sometimes got 2 Pool B Bids.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 15, 2010, 11:24:00 am
Yep your are right the last 2 spots could be:

1 B 1 C bid or 2 C or 2 B...... And also a West Region team could get shipped to another region like Linfield did 2 years ago.

Of course this could change IF the West gets a 7 or 8 team regional but that has not happen in the last few years if ever.

Either way good teams will be left at home like Pac Lu was last year and ASC always seems to leave a very good teams at home too.

BUT for POOL A win you conference or conference tourney outright you go.

If your Pool B win your in region games and you go. So ultimately it is up to each team to win the games they need to get there
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 15, 2010, 02:59:26 pm
With about 90% of the games left to play its way too early to predict who will be there at the end but for now these teams are in the my top 10 in the West. I let someone else try to figure how where 1 to 10 they should rank. Alot of baseball still left to play and someone not listed now will be there in May. The West Region in the recent past only gets 6 spots for the regional playoffs so it seems like always a good team stays home.

With 4 Pool A Bids. Teams will be fighting for those last 2 spots.

NWC
Pacific Lutheran(7-0)
Linfield(4-0)

SCIAC
Cal Lutheran(5-2)
Redlands(4-1)

SCAC
Trinity(6-1)
Hendrix(3-0)
Millsaps(3-0)

ASC
Texas Lutheran(4-1)
Texas Tyler(3-2)

Independent
Chapman(3-1)

I think this is a good initial look. It'll be interesting to see how Pomona shapes up without Hedman in the center of that line-up. I think George Fox might be down a bit this year. It'll also be interesting to see how Concordia does in the ASC this year with new coach Tommy Boggs as the helm. Not sure if they'll have enough arms to make a run, but hard to tell after just one series. Also should keep an eye on Mississippi College (though they probably wouldn't be shipped out West).

JSG
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: ILVBB on February 15, 2010, 03:44:50 pm
JSG:

Before we really get into the "heat of battle," thank you for your really good work. You put alot of research and thought into your work; which this reader really apreciates.

Now lets have fun!
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 21, 2010, 11:30:22 am
Possible Top Teams in the West Region. No real ranking at this time. I will leave that up to someone else. Big series this week Chapman/Pomona 3 games

TEAMS W-L CONF
Trinity(8-2) SCAC
Pac Lu(7-0) NWC
Texas LU(7-1) ASC
Chapman(6-1) IND
Millsaps(6-1) SCAC My mistake with crazy SCAC....Millsaps in South Region
Pomona(6-2) SCIAC
Redlands(6-2) SCIAC
Cal Lu(6-3) SCIAC
East Texax Baptist(5-0) ASC
Miss Col(5-1) ASC   
Linfield(5-2) NWC
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on February 21, 2010, 09:17:16 pm
Possible Top Teams in the West Region. No real ranking at this time. I will leave that up to someone else. Big series this week Chapman/Pomona 3 games

TEAMS W-L CONF
Trinity(8-2) SCAC
Pac Lu(7-0) NWC
Texas LU(7-1) ASC
Chapman(6-1) IND
Millsaps(6-1) SCAC
Pomona(6-2) SCIAC
Redlands(6-2) SCIAC
Cal Lu(6-3) SCIAC
East Texax Baptist(5-0) ASC
Miss Col(5-1) ASC   
Linfield(5-2) NWC

I thought Millsaps and Miss Col are in the South region, not West.  I could be wrong though...
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2010, 09:23:05 pm
Possible Top Teams in the West Region. No real ranking at this time. I will leave that up to someone else. Big series this week Chapman/Pomona 3 games

TEAMS W-L CONF
Trinity(8-2) SCAC
Pac Lu(7-0) NWC
Texas LU(7-1) ASC
Chapman(6-1) IND
Millsaps(6-1) SCAC
Pomona(6-2) SCIAC
Redlands(6-2) SCIAC
Cal Lu(6-3) SCIAC
East Texax Baptist(5-0) ASC
Miss Col(5-1) ASC   
Linfield(5-2) NWC

I thought Millsaps and Miss Col are in the South region, not West.  I could be wrong though...
Mississippi College is West.
Millsaps is South.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 22, 2010, 08:25:12 am
My mistake on Millsaps. Yes I am wrong again. They are in the South Region...

Some schools in the West Region are not even West of the Mississippi.

NCAA never took geography class. I know there are enough teams in the REAL WEST..
INMO I would have named Region by numbers like Region I etc. since they are not really reflective in some cases of their true location but thats me and it will never change but thanks for the correction since I am wrong many times as usual.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 22, 2010, 02:01:30 pm
JSG's West Division Rankings 2-22-2010

*The way I determine "key players" is pretty ambiguous. Sometimes it's who the best players actually are in my estimation. Other times it's who's started out well and has good #'s. I feel like casting a wide net enables me to recognize more players, and makes it more interesting as it fluctuates some throughout the course of the year.

1. Chapman (6-1) IND – I don’t always agree with utilitycat, but he’s right about the fact that Chapman should be #1 until they’re not. Losing to a good NAIA team doesn’t constitute falling from the top spot. It wasn’t always pretty last year, but they were the team left standing when the dust settled. Tereschuk and his staff always do a good job re-loading, and this year hasn’t proved any different yet. They’re hitting .392 and the staff has a 2.19 ERA.

Key Players:
Sr. 1B Matt Luzar - .472 avg, 14 RBI
Sr. C Joe Lehman - .462 avg, 7 2Bs, 12 RBI
Jr. DH Adam Kordich - .458 avg, .618 OBP

Jr. SP Jordan Sigman – 2-0, 0.00 ERA, .128 avg against
Fr. SP Travis McGee - . 1-0, 0.82 ERA

Key Wins:
McMurry has a lot of new faces so it remains to be seen where they’ll end up, but in the past they’ve always been near the top of the ASC West. Until the standings indicate otherwise these are three solid wins.

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2. Pac Lutheran (7-0) NWC – There were a lot of unhappy people when the Lutes were left home last year, but thus far this year they seem on a mission to get back to the West Regional. They lost a few good hitters, Jordan Post included, but they return their entire weekend rotation, and a good one at that. Sophomore Brock Gates is off to a torrid start and should help upper classmen leaders Shively, Takayoshi, and Arantani continue to produce runs in the middle of the lineup.

Key Players:
So 1B Brock Gates - .500 avg, 4 HRs, 13 RBI, 11 runs
Sr. RF Josh Takayoshi - ..393 avg, 4-4 SBs

Jr SP Scott Wall – 2-0, .129 ERA, .208 avg against
Sr SP Trey Watt – 2-0, 2.77 ERA

Key Wins: Convincing wins over two of the better teams in the SCIAC, Cal Lutheran & La Verne.

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3. Texas Lutheran (7-1) ASC – Was looking forward to their match-up with Trinity prior to the weather cancellation. We didn’t know much about this team until they swept the two-game series with Tyler this weekend, and now we know that a.) they’re scrappy as hell, b.) they’re pretty good on the bump, b1.) you have to really bring it to beat Orosey c.) they can find a way to win tough games on the road. Typically those things equate to winning baseball.

Key Players:
Sr. RF Ryan Nokelby - .405 avg, 11 RBI, 0 K
Sr. SS Chris Green - . .367 avg, 13 RBI

So. SP Brad Orosey – 3-0, 1.71 ERA, 23 Ks, 1 no-no
Sr. RP Tom Hembree – 1-1, 1.42 ERA

Key Wins:
Two game series sweep @ UT Tyler

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Where I felt pretty good about those first 3, it starts to get a little muddy from here on out....

4. Pomona (6-2) SCIAC – Four of their top 5 hitters are gone from last years SCIAC championship team, including the irreplaceable Drew Hedman. Two of their weekend guys are gone as well, but they do return Sr. James Kang to lead the offense and Jr. starting pitcher David Colvin, who had he not went down at the end of last year Pomona might’ve dethroned Chapman. The truth is we don’t know much about this team at all. Fortunately for us we’ll find out when they take on Chapman this weekend.

Key Players:
Sr. SS James Kang - .621 avg, 8 2Bs, 3 HR, 11 RBI
Jr. 1B Nick Frederick - .586 avg, 3 3Bs, 14 RBI

Jr. SP David Colvin – 2-0, 1.00 ERA, 26Ks, .141 avg against

Key Games: None to date really. Dropped 2 to Westmont. Fellow SCIAC member Cal Lu defeated Westmont, but did face less formidable pitching.

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5. Miss Col (5-1) ASC – I think this is my favorite to come out of the ASC East. Similar to Tyler they lost a lot of arms, save last year’s #2 Tyler Seamen who’s off to a great start this year, but unlike Tyler they return a few more key contributors at the plate. Last year they found a way to tie Tyler atop the East standings with a 5.99 ERA so if another starter or two emerge (they acquired a handful of JUCO guys) and Cowart continues to shine on the back-end they could sneak an at large bid, provided they don’t win the tournament. Bare in mind they’ve also played a tougher schedule to date than many of the teams on this list.

Key Players:
Sr. LF Bo Bell - .318, 2 HR, 6 RBI

SR. SP Tyler Seamen – 2-0, 3.18 ERA
Jr. RP Daniel Cowart – 0.00 ERA, 2 SV, .162 avg against

Key Games: Nice win over Millsaps

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6. Linfield (5-3) NWC – They were on the outside looking in last year, and while they bring back a good portion of an offense that hit .327 last year, they lost a lot of arms. Including 2 of their top 3 guys, and the 3rd hasn’t thrown yet this year. This could signify trouble for the Cats, who are currently sporting a 5.79 team ERA. If McCulley comes back strong I think they’ll finish second in the NWC, but I predict Pac Lu will run away the conference making it virtually impossible for another team to snag an at large bid unless they take 3 of 4 from Chapman late in the season.

Key Players:
Sr. SS/P Kelson Brown - .529 avg, 13 runs, 3 HR, 12 RBI
Sr. DH/1b Rhett Finton - .379 avg, 4 2Bs

So SP Casey Cameron – 1-0, 4.00 ERA, .156 avg against

Key Games: Defeated Cal Lu and La Verne from the SCIAC

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7. Cal Lu (6-3) SCIAC – The SCIAC picture should begin to take shape with Pomona playing Chapman this weekend and the Kingsmen taking on the Redlands. I think like the Kingsmen better than Pomona, but I can’t justify ranking them ahead of Linfield yet, having lost to them with one of their top 2 pitchers from last year on the bump against a committee from Linfield. So far Selden’s transition to a starter has been very solid, and if Tigert can re-discover what made him successful last year they’re definitely my pick to take the SCIAC. As an aside, I love the team speed here.

Key Players:
Sr. Jordan Ott - .538 avg, 4 HR, 19 RBI
Sr. Chris Hertz - .476 avg, 11:1 BB/K ratio, 8-8 SBs

SP Robbie Selden – 2-0, 2.04 ERA,
SP Greg Gelber – 2-1, 3.77 ERA, .226 avg against

Key Games: Defeated George Fox, Lost to Pac Lu and Linfield

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8. Trinity(8-2) SCAC – I realize they’re 8-2. I realize they’re blasting the baseball, and it looks like they've had some guys emerge as legitimate rotation guys, but I’m not sold yet. For one, I don’t think they’ve played anyone yet, and I think all the young guys seeing a lot of time are prone to make a lot mistakes, particularly early on. I’ll say right now I think this team finds a way to get to Oregon, but until I see the staff challenged by a stronger schedule, and the .949 F% climb a bit they’ll remain outside the top five.

Key Players:
Sr. 1B Evan Jones - .548 avg, 3 HR, 15 RBI
So Nick Pappas - .500 avg, 7 extra base hits, .620 OBP
Jr. C Kyle Felix - .479 avg, 17 runs, 18 RBI, 0 Ks

Jr. SP Michael Panozzo – 3-0, 2.57 ERA, .247 avg against

Key Games: Klimesh shutting out UMHB was notable.

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9. Redlands(6-2) SCIAC
Another SCIAC team we’ll have a lot better feel for after this week. They’ve played 2 conference series against teams they should beat and won 4 of 6. Both games they lost were on the road. They’re definitely going to miss Nolan Nicholson at the front of that rotation. They’ll also miss their top 2 hitters, and top 3 base running threats from last year. I think they'’e an above average team that might struggle to stay in these rankings as the year progresses. The X factors might be sophomores (2B) Chase Tucker and (SP) Kyle Hart.

Key Players:
So. 2B Chase Tucker - .533, .650 OBP
Sr. C Jefre Johnson - .394, 7 extra base hits

Jr. SP Derrick Johnson – 2-0, 3.00 ERA, 21Ks, .232 avg against
So. RP Brock Jacobo – 0.90 ERA, 2 SV

Key Games: None yet

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10. Who Knows
My first instinct was UT Tyler because I think they could be there in the end, but it’s not the end, they have a losing record and they dropped both games to UMHB.

So then UMHB makes logical sense right? With Lynn starting off cold and little semblance of a bullpen I just think they’re going to have trouble winning series against the better teams in conference play.

UTD defeated UMHB and took 2 of 3 from Hardin Simmons. Their resume isn’t bad, but until Reeder settles in as the 3rd starter, and someone other than Spinn emerges out of their pen I can’t justify ranking them either.

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Hope you enjoy!

JSG

Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on February 22, 2010, 11:12:59 pm
thanks for that....going to be interesting to follow throughout the year
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: swbaseball3 on February 23, 2010, 01:10:35 pm
To JSG...very nice overview of the region.  It is hard to disagree.  One point to make, Texas Lutheran is very interesting this year.  They are a team after my heart.  They play exception defense.  They have a strong pitching staff (sans a legit 3rd starter) and they PUT THE BALL IN PLAY, a lot!  With the exception of their one loss in 40 degress and raining, they've made less than a handful of errors in 7 games.

BTW, UT Tyler has a stable of pitchers, several with plus velocity.  TLU's 26 hits in two games should confirm my comment.

SwBaseball3
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dp643 on February 24, 2010, 08:14:02 am
I dont think racking up 26 hits against UT Tyler in 2 games really means much at this point. Their pitching has been very shaky to start this season, and Plus velocity means very little in getting people out in my opinion. UMHB as a team right now is hitting .292 which is nowhere near where I or anyone expected them to be since they are returning pretty much the whole lineup from last years team that hit .322.

Where am I going with that? UMHB is hitting the ball very poorly in comparison to where they should be at and they still managed 25 hits against UT Tyler in one less inning. I dont think Tyler is very impressive on the mound from what they have shown thus far. They better get it figured out or in my opinion Mississippi College could run away with the east.

TLU's advantage on the west is the fact that they have arguably the best pitcher, and arguably the best 1-2 punch in their rotation. Is Staggs the number 3? I dont know who Sans is??
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 24, 2010, 12:26:33 pm
TLU's advantage on the west is the fact that they have arguably the best pitcher, and arguably the best 1-2 punch in their rotation. Is Staggs the number 3? I dont know who Sans is??

Agreed. Unless something changes I think most west teams will find themselves trying to win both Saturday games to take the series.

Sans = without, in the absence of, in absentia

I think as of today, Staggs is the #3.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: swbaseball3 on February 24, 2010, 10:53:25 pm
TLU's advantage on the west is the fact that they have arguably the best pitcher, and arguably the best 1-2 punch in their rotation. Is Staggs the number 3? I dont know who Sans is??

Agreed. Unless something changes I think most west teams will find themselves trying to win both Saturday games to take the series.

Sans = without, in the absence of, in absentia

I think as of today, Staggs is the #3.

JSG

Staggs is #3.  He can be good and then you wonder where he goes.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Voorhees on February 26, 2010, 11:21:01 am
Loved the breakdown Guy, always in depth. I wish I could see this weekend's matchup between Pomona and Chapman, that should be good. I've never seen Pomona, but I do know alittle about Chapman. I really haven't figured out how Sigman does it, he must have some late movement or something. He never seemed like he did anything special, but you look up at the end of the game, and very few balls will have been squared up. We'll see if he can keep up his dominant start to 2010.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dp643 on February 26, 2010, 11:40:27 am
Brent,

Whats the story with McMurry this year?
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Voorhees on February 26, 2010, 05:12:13 pm
Well, I'm working about 5 and a half hours away, so I haven't seen them play. I do not know about half of the roster it seems like; i do not recognize 6 of the starters in the game against lubbock christian. But I can tell you, in my years of McMurry ('05-'09), only 2006 did we open out of the gate well. I would not give up on them yet, they do have many talented players still left over from my playing days.

However, conference is quickly approaching. I like Jake Mullin to take over that offense pretty quick. It's just a matter of time. Dakato Smith can be outstanding; I like him to return to his 2008 form where he just grabbed the ball and threw it and let his natural movement do the rest. Davis has stepped up, but it'll take more than just him.

I do not know the make up of the team, but I do know the make up of the coach. They will be competitive in conference, I wouldn't write them off yet.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Voorhees on February 27, 2010, 12:05:42 am
Chapman takes game one 8-4. I haven't found any details about the game anywhere.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on March 01, 2010, 10:26:15 am
you can take Trinity out of the rankings after dropping 2 games to Hendrix.  Trinity lost the first game 13-12 after leading 12-2 going into the 7th.  They were one out away from a run rule, only to be outscored 11-0 over the final 3 innings.  They dropped the next game 7-4.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 01, 2010, 10:41:54 am
Cal Lutheran would also drop out after getting swept by the Redlands, and TLU would move down significantly after dropping 2 of 3 to University of Dallas. The problem is finding teams to replace them both. Maybe UT Dallas, maybe Mary Hardin Baylor. I don't really envision any teams from the NWC save Pac Lu and Linfield making an impact, and I'm not ready to rank Claremont-MS either.

Maybe the next set of rankings will be more from the perspective of who might make up the West Regional.


JSG
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dp643 on March 01, 2010, 10:59:05 am
As of right now it looks as if Miss. College is the class of the ASC this year. The rest of the teams have been very inconsistent, and I dont think at this point I could see any at large coming from the ASC this season. I know its early, but I just dont think any of the teams have enough pitching to put up 30+ wins.

I am glad to see that it looks like Sul Ross and Howard Payne might make some noise in the ASC West this year. They look to be improving, but is it just the weak opening competition at this point?

Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 01, 2010, 02:33:31 pm
I am glad to see that it looks like Sul Ross and Howard Payne might make some noise in the ASC West this year. They look to be improving, but is it just the weak opening competition at this point?


At this point I like the West for a 4 team regional, but it's definitely very early to speculate.

I think both Sul Ross and HPU will be in the bottom half of the ASC west this year (though I'm interested to see how the new HPU arms Hood and Morris will fare against better competition). I think you might see a bit more parody in the West from top to bottom this year, but I at this point both teams are likely beneficiaries of a relatively soft schedule.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dp643 on March 01, 2010, 03:23:40 pm
I dont expect HPU or SRSU to make the top 4 but it is noteworthy that SRSU already has 24 HR's on the year, and HPU may have two good arms in their rotation. Lets not forget they are 5-1 against a team that just took 2 of 3 from TLU as well. Its going to be an interesting year.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: utilitycat17 on March 01, 2010, 05:41:42 pm
At this point I like the West for a 4 team regional, but it's definitely very early to speculate.

I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that there are no more 4 team regionals.  I think the smallest regional is 6 teams.  The regionals are either 8 or 6 team regionals.  Depending on who wins the SCAC, the West may have 4 pool A teams right off the bat.  SCAC, ASC, SCIAC, NWC winners.  Plus, the potential pool B in Chapman.  You only would need one more team to fill a 6 team regional, or two depending on the SCAC winner. 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: OshDude on March 01, 2010, 08:21:51 pm
At this point I like the West for a 4 team regional, but it's definitely very early to speculate.

I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that there are no more 4 team regionals.  I think the smallest regional is 6 teams.  The regionals are either 8 or 6 team regionals.  Depending on who wins the SCAC, the West may have 4 pool A teams right off the bat.  SCAC, ASC, SCIAC, NWC winners.  Plus, the potential pool B in Chapman.  You only would need one more team to fill a 6 team regional, or two depending on the SCAC winner. 
Alas, the numbers dictate that there will be one seven-team regional this year.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: utilitycat17 on March 01, 2010, 09:06:54 pm
Chapman - Pomona game 1
Pomona 4
Chapman 4
Top 8

Not much offense so far.  A lot of walks in the game.  Pomona's been the recipient of a couple tough calls by the umpires.  A possible homerun called foul, their coach was ejected (for what?  I don't know).  They also had tough call go Chapman's way at 2nd with 2 outs bases loaded.  Runner called out, looked safe.  Would have resulted in one more run and the inning continues.  Should be a good finish.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dbat on March 01, 2010, 10:41:24 pm
I think like always the ASC is going to beat up on each other like they always do.  Which hurts the west in national rankings because there are a ton of good teams that are in the ASC that deserve more credit.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 01, 2010, 11:17:46 pm
I think like always the ASC is going to beat up on each other like they always do.  Which hurts the west in national rankings because there are a ton of good teams that are in the ASC that deserve more credit.

We hear this argument every year. Hell, I've made this argument in previous seasons , but the fact remains that until a team comes out of the ASC, beats Chapman in the West Regional and makes a decent tournament run in Appleton it's a mute point.

I don't think the ASC is as strong this year as it's been in years past. When is the last time Concordia has been relevant? Both Abilene schools seem to be down this year. TLU doesn't have near the pitching depth it's had in previous years. Tyler is down, and UT Dallas doesn't have nearly the sticks it had in the mid 2000s.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dahlby on March 02, 2010, 12:46:31 am
Pomona coach ejected for excessive arguing of umpire's call of foul ball. Coach thought it should be a homer. Umpire was on the line when he made the call. Coach was in the dugout.

Pomona won game 1, 12-5
Chapman won 2nd game 2-1
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dp643 on March 02, 2010, 08:16:57 am
I definitely think the ASC is down this year. Pitching seems to be very thin very every squad this year, and pitching is what will be needed to win the regional. 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 02, 2010, 09:05:31 am
ASC
Mississippi College 8-1
Texas Lutheran 8-3

Independent
Chapman 10-2

NWC
Pacific Lutheran 9-1
Linfield 8-4

SCAC
Trinity 8-4

SCIAC
Redlands 9-2
Pomona   7-4
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dbat on March 02, 2010, 10:19:03 pm
I'm not trying to say that the Independent Chapman shouldn't be ranked above any ASC team, but it is just tough that there are legit teams in the ASC and if the conference were split into two conferences there would be a couple more teams from the ASC conference in the rankings.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2010, 10:42:11 pm
I'm not trying to say that the Independent Chapman shouldn't be ranked above any ASC team, but it is just tough that there are legit teams in the ASC and if the conference were split into two conferences there would be a couple more teams from the ASC conference in the rankings.
Respectfully, I don't think that we would always have an extra team in the regional rankings, but I do think that our second and third and maybe fourth best teams in the 15 of the full conference would not be picking up damaging losses in the post-season tourneys, which are basically "play-in" events for the two divisions.

That hurts us in Pool C bids, and it dilutes our geographic prominence with respect to hosting first and second round bracket games/regionals.

I agree with your thoughts.  Said another way, I think that we are a very balanced conference with 6-8 good teams each year.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 04, 2010, 01:27:09 pm
I agree with Ralph here.  It seems that in that conference even the top teams get into the playoffs with anywhere from 8-10 losses.  By the time they battle their way through the two rounds they may have accumulated 12 losses which could drop them below other schools who simply did not have to play as many games in their playoff round.

It seems tough and possibly unfair, but I think the conference is the one that determines their playoff style.  Correct me if I am wrong.  Also, what is the playoff style for other conferences?  I know the SCAC does a tournament.  I also know that the NWC does not play one, which is disappointing considering how even Pac Lu, George Fox, and Linfield are year in and year out.  Those could be exciting tourneys.  What does the SCIAC do?
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 04, 2010, 01:48:45 pm
SCIAC has NO tourney. Best record wins the bid.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 04, 2010, 03:33:26 pm
End of the year tourney vs  No Tourney...Correct me if I am wrong

ASC -- Tourney YES

Independents -- Tourney NO

NWC -- Tourney - NO

SCAC -- Tourney - YES

SCIAC -- Tourney -- NO

The problem with Conference Tourney is the team with the most in region/in conference wins does not always wins and gets that AQ. Maybe Conference Tourneys should give the Conference Winner during regular season byes until
the Championship game in the conference tourney which could be 2 out of 3 games in the Championship plus home field for all games. Something got to count for winning the conference in regular season.

The question always will be does the region get the regular seaon best teams or teams that got hot at the end.....So many ways to get to the dance but all teams have to do what is required to get there.

Pool A - Conference Winners or Conference Tourney Winners for AQ Conferences

Pool B - Indepedents or Conference Winners or Conference Tourney for Non AQ Conferences ??
 
Pool C- Teams that did not qualify via Pool A or Pool B but have great in region record

Also who a team plays during the regular season and the OWP/OOWP/SOS of these teams can be a huge factor if you stay home or get a chance at the playoffs...

Like most things in the NCAA nothing is simple...
 
 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dp643 on March 05, 2010, 08:19:57 am
Good weekend series coming up between UT Dallas and UMHB.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 07, 2010, 11:46:15 pm
March 7, 2010 Overall Records(Not In Region)

SCIAC
Redlands 12-2
Pomona 10-4

ASC
Mississippi 11-1
Texas Lutheran 11-4

SCAC
Trinity 12-3

NWC
Pacific Lutheran 11-2
Linfield 10-5

Independents
Chapman 11-3
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dahlby on March 08, 2010, 11:38:43 am
After this weekend Chapman is 11-3. This is according to their web site.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on March 08, 2010, 07:07:20 pm
March 7, 2010 Overall Records

SCIAC
Redlands 12-2
Pomona 10-4

ASC
Mississippi 11-1
Texas Lutheran 11-4

SCAC
Trinity 12-3

NWC
Pacific Lutheran 11-2
Linfield 10-5

Independents
Chapman 11-3

Is that just in-Region records?
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dahlby on March 08, 2010, 08:35:33 pm
Chapman is 9-1 in region.
1 win and 1 loss against Cal State San Marcos and 1 loss to Pt Loma. Both NAIA teams.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 08, 2010, 08:46:31 pm
Chapman 10-1 in Region

In Region Wins  
Whittier(3)
Claremont(1)
McMurry(3)
Pomona(2)
Williamette(1)

In Region Losses
Pomona(1)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dahlby on March 08, 2010, 09:11:08 pm
And my Dad taught math for 40 years.....Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: dbat on March 09, 2010, 10:57:55 pm
I think that Tourney style is the best way to decide the number one.  We hear this all the time in D1 football.  Thats  what college sports are all about.  It brings a ton a suspense and great games!  I wouldn't want the winner decided any other way.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 12, 2010, 12:42:31 pm
MARCH 12, 2009 Best in the West
These are overall records. Someone will have to do the in Region numbers.

ASC
Mississippi College 13-1
Texas Lutheran 12-4
Texas-Dallas 10-5

NWC
Pacific Lutheran 11-2
Linfield 10-5

SCAC
Trinity 14-4

SCIAC
Redlands 12-2
Pomona 11-4

INDEPENDENTS
Chapman 11-4
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: infielddad on March 15, 2010, 11:51:56 am
With PLU getting swept by Menlo, and Trinity splitting with Millsaps, it is difficult to figure out who really are the best teams.
 Menlo has been pretty average to this weekend.
PLU had been pretty dominant, especially with the SCIAC match ups earlier. Hard to judge if they are that team or the one this weekend.
Trinity can hit with anyone. It appears they will need the hitting to continue and maybe get even better.
 Trinity has not been a very good road team and the pitching has not met expectations for sure.  For the last 1/2 of the SCAC season, they only have one series on the road, at Austin College.
They have Hendrix and Millsaps at home for 3 game series and Southwestern for a 2 game so things could well change in the SCAC seedings if they continue to play as well at home as they have been.  If, and it looks like a big IF, they get stronger pitching, they will be tough come April because they have 9 very tough outs in the line up and two who are more than tough in Jones and Felix. 
Right now, Chapman and Redlands seem to me to be  teams playing consistently and at a high level with good pitching. But again, it is hard to tell on comparative opponents when Chapman beats Rutgers Newark 7-2 while Redlands beats them 31-0 and 22-1.
Just based on the  performances of other top West Region teams like PLU and TU, it would seem like Chapman and Redlands would have to be the top two seeds in the West at this point.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 15, 2010, 12:20:55 pm
Getting swept by Menlo could very well come back to haunt Pacific Lutheran at selection time. They may need to win the bid outright to keep it out of the committee's hands this year.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 15, 2010, 05:09:54 pm
West Region Teams OVERALL/CONFERENCE Records March 15, 2010

ASC
Mississippi College 16-1(3-0)
Texas Lutheran 14-5(2-1)
Texas-Dallas 12-6(2-1)
Texas-Tyler 12-7(3-0)

NWC
Linfield 13-5(5-1)
Pacific Lutheran 11-5(2-1)

SCAC
Trinity 15-5(7-3)

SCIAC
Redlands 15-2(10-2)
Pomona 13-5(11-1)

INDEPENDENTS
Chapman 12-4
Menlo 9-8

 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: nvnorthpaw on March 15, 2010, 05:43:52 pm
Don't leave out Millsaps (12-5) and BSC (13-1) from the SCAC.  Trinity is pretty impressive with the bats, but lag defensively and on the bump.  Also, I believe this is Birmingham Southern's first year eligible for post season play...
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2010, 06:13:38 pm
Don't leave out Millsaps (12-5) and BSC (13-1) from the SCAC.  Trinity is pretty impressive with the bats, but lag defensively and on the bump.  Also, I believe this is Birmingham Southern's first year eligible for post season play...
Most accurately, Millsaps and BSC are in the South Region.

I think that BSC is in its third year of provisional play and should be eligible for the NCAA post season in 2011-12.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 15, 2010, 09:26:07 pm
Thanks for the information on West Region. Here are all teams in the WEST REGION
http://www.d3baseball.com/region/West

Still not sure why teams in Mississippi, Louisana and Arkansas are in West Region though. Here is breakdown of # of teams per region. Central, Midwest and South all have less teams than West Region.

Central Region 37  
Mid-Atlantic Region: 60
Mideast Region: 49
Midwest Region: 38
New England Region: 64
New York Region: 40
South Region: 38
West Region: 40
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2010, 10:28:03 pm
Thanks for the information on West Region. Here are all teams in the WEST REGION
http://www.d3baseball.com/region/West

Still not sure why teams in Mississippi, Louisana and Arkansas are in West Region though. Here is breakdown of # of teams per region. Central, Midwest and South all have less teams than West Region.

Central Region 37 
Mid-Atlantic Region: 60
Mideast Region: 49
Mideast Region: 49
Midwest Region: 38
New England Region: 64
New York Region: 40
South Region: 38
West Region: 40
A few years ago, the ASC moved to pull all of its members into the West Region (UOzarks in Arkansas, Louisiana College and Mississippi College).
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: OshDude on March 16, 2010, 09:44:23 am
Here is breakdown of # of teams per region. Central, Midwest and South all have less teams than West Region.

Central Region 37  
Mid-Atlantic Region: 60 58
Mideast Region: 49 47
Midwest Region: 38
New England Region: 64
New York Region: 40 39
South Region: 38 37
West Region: 40 39
Above is the number of tourney-eligible teams, according to the 2010 Handbook.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 16, 2010, 01:39:53 pm
Really wish there was an auto-save feature on here... accidentally clicked back and erased a pretty thorough analysis. :/
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 16, 2010, 01:46:46 pm
Really wish there was an auto-save feature on here... accidentally clicked back and erased a pretty thorough analysis. :/

I usually type the bigger stuff on a word document and cut and paste it into the message board. I have been burned a few times as well.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on March 16, 2010, 03:58:53 pm
Really wish there was an auto-save feature on here... accidentally clicked back and erased a pretty thorough analysis. :/

I usually type the bigger stuff on a word document and cut and paste it into the message board. I have been burned a few times as well.

Yeah - I knew better. Sometimes even vets plays like rooks eh?
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 21, 2010, 10:30:56 pm
Top Teams in the West Overall Records March 21, 2010
Mississippi College 19-3
Redlands 18-3
Trinity 18-5
Chapman 17-4
Pomona 17-5
Texas-Lutheran 17-6
Linfield 16-5
Texas-Tyler 16-7
Pacific-Lutheran 14-5
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 22, 2010, 08:34:48 am
Top Teams in the West Overall Records March 21, 2010
Mississippi College 19-3
Redlands 18-3
Trinity 18-5
Chapman 17-4
Pomona 17-5
Texas-Lutheran 17-6
Linfield 16-5
Texas-Tyler 16-7
Pacific-Lutheran 14-5

Redlands really hurt themselves this weekend by dropping a pair to Menlo.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 22, 2010, 08:50:32 am
Redlands losses:

Feb. 12  2:30 PM  at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps * •  L, 13-8     
Feb. 20  11:00 AM  at La Verne * •  L, 5-4     
Feb. 22  2:00 PM  British Columbia  L, 20-3  (Exhibition)     
Mar. 19  9:30 AM  Menlo •  L, 9-6 10inn. 

http://www.d3baseball.com/school/RED   
   
Redlands should win their next 6 with games with Cal Tech, Whittier before SCIAC showdown on April 9/10 with Pomona. Record should be 24-3 by then. Would not count them out so soon.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 22, 2010, 08:58:42 am
I am not counting Redlands out, but two losses to Menlo could hurt them should they stumble in the SCIAC.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 22, 2010, 09:37:01 am
Redlands has 1 extra innings loss to Menlo not 2 and only plays them once this year otherwise I agree.

They do have 3 in region losses that do hurt Pool C chances and need to win the SCIAC to make sure they make it to the playoffs. But they have 8 games left with Whittier and Cal Tech and should win those.

Pomona series could be for the SCIAC conference title otherwise the Chapman series could be key for a Pool C bid.

Redlands schedule this year

http://www.d3baseball.com/school/RED

Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on March 22, 2010, 11:29:51 am
Top Teams in the West Overall Records March 21, 2010
Mississippi College 19-3
Redlands 18-3
Trinity 18-5
Chapman 17-4
Pomona 17-5
Texas-Lutheran 17-6
Linfield 16-5
Texas-Tyler 16-7
Pacific-Lutheran 14-5

Odd that Mississippi College is in the West and Millsaps is in the South....
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 22, 2010, 11:48:27 am
It's called NCAA. They have there own version of Geography...and also multiple criteria of what counts as IN REGION games and multiple criteria for Regions. Simplicity is not how NCAA rules are made. Too many lawyers are involved most likely...

Regional Alignments
1 Each Division III men’s baseball team is assigned to one of eight geographic
“evaluation” regions. The primary criteria used for ranking and selection is based
on how a team performs against other Division III “in-region” teams. 2 In addition,
results versus Division III opponents within 200 miles or less of a team’s campus,
but outside its assigned geographic region, will be considered “in-region” and part
of the primary selection/ranking criteria.3 All conference competition is considered
in region.4 And finally, the championships committee has expanded the definition
of an in-region contest to include “all competition within an institutions membership
geographical region (Bylaw 4.13.1.1).” The country is divided into four membership
regions. For most institutions, the change in definition should result in an expanded
list of potential in-region opponents than in the past.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 22, 2010, 02:03:24 pm
Top Teams in the West Overall Records March 21, 2010
Mississippi College 19-3
Redlands 18-3
Trinity 18-5
Chapman 17-4
Pomona 17-5
Texas-Lutheran 17-6
Linfield 16-5
Texas-Tyler 16-7
Pacific-Lutheran 14-5

Odd that Mississippi College is in the West and Millsaps is in the South....

Not really, Clinton MS is about 12 miles west of Jackson MS.   ;)   :)

Actually, the ASC tried to simplify matters by asking that all members of the conference be considered in one Region, instead of the Multi-Region stuff that other conferences (SCAC, UAA, NEAC) have to put up with.  The disadvantage to Mississippi College and the ASC is that we don't get the opportunity to have 2 conference members on the Pool C board at the same time, to the advantage of the rest of D-III.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 22, 2010, 04:01:50 pm
It always seems like the ASC gets short changed in the playoff picture. A lot of very good teams just beat up on each other during the regular season and then continue that in the playoffs.

With number of teams in the ASC they should get 2 bids but because of they way there are structured with their 2 divisions and their playoff system it seems to never happen. The SCIAC and NWC have have no playoff system.

In my opinion the NCAA tends to complicate things with some of the rules.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 23, 2010, 09:33:48 pm
Let's open up the discussion since most teams in the west have surpassed the midway point.  Parenthesis around in-region record.  Brackets around opponents overall record.

1. Chapman 17-4 (13-1)
    2-1 vs. Pomona [17-5]
    3-0 vs. McMurry [9-13]
    1-0 vs. CMS [12-10]   
 Still to play
    1 vs. CMS
    1 vs. La Verne [13-8]
    1 vs. Cal Lutheran [14-9]
    4 vs. Linfield [16-5]
    3 vs. Redlands [18-3]

2. Mississippi College 19-3 (14-1) - if Piedmont and Birmingham Southern are within the 200 mile radius to count as in-region other wise (11-1)
    1-0 vs. Millsaps [16-6] - within radius
    1-0 vs. Birmingham Souther [16-3]
    1-1 vs. UT-Dallas [13-7]
 Still to play
    1 vs. Millsaps - 2 assuming they make up the rainout
    3 vs. UT-Tyler [16-7]

3. Pomona-Pitzer 17-5 (15-3)
    1-2 vs. Chapman
    3-0 vs. La Verne [13-8]
    2-1 vs. CMS [12-10]
 Still to play
    4 vs. Cal Lutheran [14-9]
    4 vs. Redlands [18-3]
    1 vs. La Verne
    1 vs. CMS

4. Linfield 16-5 (14-2)
    1-0 vs. La Verne [13-8]
    1-0 vs. Cal Lutheran [14-9]
    0-1 vs. Pac Lutheran [14-5]
 Still to play
    4 vs. Chapman [17-4]
    3 vs. George Fox [12-9]
    3 vs. Pac Lutheran

5. Redlands 18-3 (13-3)
    2-1 vs. CMS [12-10]
    2-1 vs. La Verne [13-8]
    3-0 vs. Cal Lutheran [14-9]
    0-1 vs. Menlo [10-11]
    1-0 vs. Puget Sound [9-10]
 Still to play
    4 vs. Pomona [17-5]
    1 vs. Cal Lutheran
    3 vs. Chapman [17-4]

6. Trinity 19-5 (15-4)
    2-1 vs. Schreiner [3-16]
    1-0 vs. Tx Lutheran [17-6]
    3-0 vs. Austin [11-11]
    3-0 vs. Southwestern [10-17]
    1-1 vs. Millsaps [16-6] - assuming this counts as in-region
    1-0 vs. Hardin-Simmons [10-10]
    0-2 vs. Hendrix [9-12]
 Still to play
    1 vs. Tx Lutheran
    3 vs. Millsaps
    2 vs. Austin

7. Texas Lutheran 17-6 (14-6)
    2-1 vs. Austin [11-11]
    2-0 vs. Southwestern [10-17]
    2-0 vs. UT-Tyler [16-7]
    1-2 vs. U of Dallas [5-16]
    0-1 vs. Trinity [19-5]
    2-1 vs. McMurry [9-13]
    2-1 vs. Howard Payne [11-10]
 Still to play
    1 vs. Trinity
    1 vs. Southwestern
    3 vs. UMHB [11-11]
    3 vs. Hardin-Simmons [10-10]
    3 vs. Sul Ross [12-8]

8. UT-Tyler 16-7 (14-6)
    0-2 vs. UMHB [11-11]
    0-2 vs. Tx Lutheran [17-6]
    1-0 vs. UT-Dallas [13-7]
    2-1 vs. Hardin-Simmons [10-10]
    2-1 vs. Sul Ross [12-8]
    2-0 vs. Hendrix [9-12]
 Still to play
    3 vs. UT-Dallas
    3 vs. Miss. College [19-3]
    2 vs. Austin [11-11]

9. Pacific Lutheran 14-5 (10-5)
    2-1 vs. George Fox [12-9]
    1-0 vs. Linfield [16-5]
    0-3 vs. Menlo [10-11]
    0-1 vs. Puget Sound [9-10]
    1-0 vs. La Verne [13-8]
    1-0 vs. Cal Lutheran [14-9]
 Still to play
    3 vs. Linfield

10. La Verne 13-8 (12-7)
    0-1 vs Linfield [16-5]
    0-1 vs. Pac Lutheran [14-5]
    1-2 vs. Redlands [18-3]
    1-0 vs. George Fox [12-9]
    0-3 vs. Pomona [17-5]
    1-0 vs. CMS [12-10]
 Still to play
    4 vs. CMS
    4 vs. Cal Lutheran [14-9]
    1 vs. Pomona
    1 vs. Redlands

11. Cal Lutheran
12. UT-Dallas

It is tight as usual in the west region.  It appears as though those teams 7 and down have some games that they can look back at as games they maybe should have won, or they picked a bad time for a bad weekend.  There is much yet to be determined.  We should have a pretty clear lock on the NWC after Linfield plays George Fox.  It should come down to the winner of the Pac Lu series unless George Fox gets hot.  The SCIAC looks as though Redlands will have to beat Pomona.  A split will not due, or one of them will have to slip up along the way, which is very possible.  Too bad those two conferences do not play tournaments because they seem as though they would be very competitive amongst the top 3 to four teams.  Trinity could very well be up for a bid if they were to miss the championship.  Looks as though the ASC will have to be won depending on how well Miss College finishes, or if Tx. Lutheran or UT-Tyler could finish very hot down the stretch.  Otherwise, they had better win it all.

Feel free to correct any mistakes made.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 23, 2010, 09:49:34 pm
Let's open up the discussion since most teams in the west have surpassed the midway point.  Parenthesis around in-region record.  Brackets around opponents overall record.

1. Chapman 17-4 (13-1)
    2-1 vs. Pomona [17-5]
    3-0 vs. McMurry [9-13]
    1-0 vs. CMS [12-10]   
 Still to play
    1 vs. CMS
    1 vs. La Verne [13-8]
    1 vs. Cal Lutheran [14-9]
    4 vs. Linfield [16-5]
    3 vs. Redlands [18-3]

2. Mississippi College 19-3 (14-1) - if Piedmont and Birmingham Southern are within the 200 mile radius to count as in-region other wise (11-1)
    1-0 vs. Millsaps [16-6] - within radius
    1-0 vs. Birmingham Souther [16-3]
    1-1 vs. UT-Dallas [13-7]
 Still to play
    1 vs. Millsaps - 2 assuming they make up the rainout
    3 vs. UT-Tyler [16-7]

3. Pomona-Pitzer 17-5 (15-3)
    1-2 vs. Chapman
    3-0 vs. La Verne [13-8]
    2-1 vs. CMS [12-10]
 Still to play
    4 vs. Cal Lutheran [14-9]
    4 vs. Redlands [18-3]
    1 vs. La Verne
    1 vs. CMS

4. Linfield 16-5 (14-2)
    1-0 vs. La Verne [13-8]
    1-0 vs. Cal Lutheran [14-9]
    0-1 vs. Pac Lutheran [14-5]
 Still to play
    4 vs. Chapman [17-4]
    3 vs. George Fox [12-9]
    3 vs. Pac Lutheran

5. Redlands 18-3 (13-3)
    2-1 vs. CMS [12-10]
    2-1 vs. La Verne [13-8]
    3-0 vs. Cal Lutheran [14-9]
    0-1 vs. Menlo [10-11]
    1-0 vs. Puget Sound [9-10]
 Still to play
    4 vs. Pomona [17-5]
    1 vs. Cal Lutheran
    3 vs. Chapman [17-4]

6. Trinity 19-5 (15-4)
    2-1 vs. Schreiner [3-16]
    1-0 vs. Tx Lutheran [17-6]
    3-0 vs. Austin [11-11]
    3-0 vs. Southwestern [10-17]
    1-1 vs. Millsaps [16-6] - assuming this counts as in-region
    1-0 vs. Hardin-Simmons [10-10]
    0-2 vs. Hendrix [9-12]
 Still to play
    1 vs. Tx Lutheran
    3 vs. Millsaps
    2 vs. Austin

7. Texas Lutheran 17-6 (14-6)
    2-1 vs. Austin [11-11]
    2-0 vs. Southwestern [10-17]
    2-0 vs. UT-Tyler [16-7]
    1-2 vs. U of Dallas [5-16]
    0-1 vs. Trinity [19-5]
    2-1 vs. McMurry [9-13]
    2-1 vs. Howard Payne [11-10]
 Still to play
    1 vs. Trinity
    1 vs. Southwestern
    3 vs. UMHB [11-11]
    3 vs. Hardin-Simmons [10-10]
    3 vs. Sul Ross [12-8]

8. UT-Tyler 16-7 (14-6)
    0-2 vs. UMHB [11-11]
    0-2 vs. Tx Lutheran [17-6]
    1-0 vs. UT-Dallas [13-7]
    2-1 vs. Hardin-Simmons [10-10]
    2-1 vs. Sul Ross [12-8]
    2-0 vs. Hendrix [9-12]
 Still to play
    3 vs. UT-Dallas
    3 vs. Miss. College [19-3]
    2 vs. Austin [11-11]

9. Pacific Lutheran 14-5 (10-5)
    2-1 vs. George Fox [12-9]
    1-0 vs. Linfield [16-5]
    0-3 vs. Menlo [10-11]
    0-1 vs. Puget Sound [9-10]
    1-0 vs. La Verne [13-8]
    1-0 vs. Cal Lutheran [14-9]
 Still to play
    3 vs. Linfield

10. La Verne 13-8 (12-7)
    0-1 vs Linfield [16-5]
    0-1 vs. Pac Lutheran [14-5]
    1-2 vs. Redlands [18-3]
    1-0 vs. George Fox [12-9]
    0-3 vs. Pomona [17-5]
    1-0 vs. CMS [12-10]
 Still to play
    4 vs. CMS
    4 vs. Cal Lutheran [14-9]
    1 vs. Pomona
    1 vs. Redlands

11. Cal Lutheran
12. UT-Dallas

It is tight as usual in the west region.  It appears as though those teams 7 and down have some games that they can look back at as games they maybe should have won, or they picked a bad time for a bad weekend.  There is much yet to be determined.  We should have a pretty clear lock on the NWC after Linfield plays George Fox.  It should come down to the winner of the Pac Lu series unless George Fox gets hot.  The SCIAC looks as though Redlands will have to beat Pomona.  A split will not due, or one of them will have to slip up along the way, which is very possible.  Too bad those two conferences do not play tournaments because they seem as though they would be very competitive amongst the top 3 to four teams.  Trinity could very well be up for a bid if they were to miss the championship.  Looks as though the ASC will have to be won depending on how well Miss College finishes, or if Tx. Lutheran or UT-Tyler could finish very hot down the stretch.  Otherwise, they had better win it all.

Feel free to correct any mistakes made.

Thanks for all the work this took to put together....
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: golden_dome on March 23, 2010, 10:22:35 pm
2. Mississippi College 19-3 (14-1) - if Piedmont and Birmingham Southern are within the 200 mile radius to count as in-region other wise (11-1)
    1-0 vs. Millsaps [16-6] - within radius
    1-0 vs. Birmingham Souther [16-3]
    1-1 vs. UT-Dallas [13-7]
 Still to play
    1 vs. Millsaps - 2 assuming they make up the rainout
    3 vs. UT-Tyler [16-7]

I think MC is 18-2 in region, all should count except for the two NAIA Belhaven games. All of MC's nonconference DIII opponents should be in their geographic region.
VA, NC, SC, FL, GA, AL, MS, LA, AR, TN, KY, IN, MI, OH and WV
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 24, 2010, 02:19:54 pm
Yes, Miss. College correction is correct.

If all of those teams are within the 200 mile radius then they are 18-2.  They are off to a fantastic start.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on March 24, 2010, 05:55:02 pm
Trinity also has 3 to play against Hendrix.  All Conference games count as in-region games for the SCAC.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2010, 06:06:24 pm
Yes, Miss. College correction is correct.

If all of those teams are within the 200 mile radius then they are 18-2.  They are off to a fantastic start.
Chris Brooks is correct. Birmingham Southern counts because of Adminstrative Region #3.

Millsaps because of AR#3 and "200 mile radius".
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 27, 2010, 07:05:38 pm
West Region teams received votes in recent poll

RANKING TEAM RECORD VOTES

4 Chapman 17-4  (531)    
8 Pomona-Pitzer 17-5  (356)
13 Mississippi College 19-3  (336)
25 Trinity (Texas) 18-5   (79)
26 Pacific Lutheran 14-5 (75)
29 Linfield 16-6 (43)
30 Redlands 19-3 (37)
41 Texas Lutheran 17-6  (5)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 30, 2010, 09:35:18 am
D3 Baseball Poll March 30, 2010 West Region Teams with Votes

NCBWA/D3baseball.com Top 25
Week 5, 2010

http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2010/week-5
Rk School (first)                 Last  Rec.     Pts
3  Chapman                        4     17-4     549
7  Pomona-Pitzer                  8     20-5     443
10 Mississippi College            13    21-3     375
23 Redlands                       -     21-3     88
24 Trinity (Texas)                25    21-7     71
25 Pacific Lutheran               -     16-6     42

Also receiving votes:  Texas-Tyler 20,  Linfield 13,  Texas Lutheran 2,

American Baseball Coaches Association/Collegiate Baseball NCAA Division III Baseball Poll March 30, 2010

      Rank School Record Points Last Rank
      2.  Chapman (Calif.) 17-4 218 -
      4.  Mississippi College 21-3 190 -
      9.  Redlands (Calif.) 21-3 159 -
      12. Pomona-Pitzer (Calif.) 20-5 145 -
      17. Linfield (Ore.) 17-7 108 -
      19. Pacific Lutheran (Wash.) 16-6 101 -
      24. Trinity (Texas) 21-7 65 -
      30.  Texas-Tyler 19-7 36 -
Also receiving votes Texas Lutheran
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 02, 2010, 08:58:48 am
Friday April 2, 2010
Top Teams in the West


Mississippi College 22-4
Texas-Tyler 22-7
Redlands 21-3
Trinity-Texas 21-7
Chapman 20-4
Pomona-Pitzer 20-5
Texas-Lutheran 20-8
Linfield 17-7
Cal Lutheran 17-9
Pacific Lutheran 16-6
George Fox 15-9

Mississippi College still has 3 game series with Texas-Tyler

Redlands has a 3 game series with Pomona-Pitzer and Chapman

Linfield has 3 game series with George Fox, Pacific Lutheran and 4 games with Chapman

Chapman plays 4 games with Linfield and 3 games with Redlands and 1 with Cal Lu

Cal Lutheran has 4 games with Pomona, 1 with Redlands, 1 with Chapman
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 03, 2010, 07:55:43 pm
Top teams in West Region Teams Overal Records April 3, 2010

ASC
Mississippi College 24-4
Texas-Tyler 23-7
Texas Lutheran 21-8

SCIAC
Redlands 24-3
Pomona-Pitzer 23-5

NWC
Pacific Lutheran 19-6
Linfield 18-7
George Fox 18-9

SCAC
Trinity Texas 23-7

Independent
Chapman 20-4
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 05, 2010, 10:36:12 am
West Region teams in
BigPoppa's Week #6 Poll (4/5/10)


2 Chapman 20-4
5 Pomona-Pitzer 23-5
8 Mississippi College 24-4
15 Redlands 24-3
24 Pacific Lutheran 19-6
25 Trinity (Texas) 23-7
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 06, 2010, 05:11:38 am
NCBWA/D3baseball.com Top 25 Week 6, 2010
West Region teams listed
http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2010/week-6
Rk School (first)                 Last  Rec.     Pts
2  Chapman                        3     20-4     590
5  Pomona-Pitzer                  7     23-5     504
11 Mississippi College            10    24-4     347
17 Redlands                       23    24-3     191
25 Trinity (Texas)                24    23-7      72

Also receiving votes:  Pacific Lutheran 58, Texas-Tyler 37, Linfield 5,

ABCA POLL WEST REGION TEAMS APRIL 6, 2010
Rank School Record Points Last Rank

http://www.muhlenberg.edu/pdf/main/athletics/abcapoll4610.pdf
2. Chapman (Calif.) 20-4 232 2
5. Mississippi College 24-4 196 4
7. Redlands (Calif.) 24-3 185 9
8. Pomona-Pitzer (Calif.) 23-5 184 12
17. Pacific Lutheran (Wash.) 19-6 101 19
20. Linfield (Ore.) 18-7 82 17
21. Trinity (Texas) 23-7 69 24
24. Texas-Tyler 23-7 54 30

Also receiving votes George Fox (Ore.),Texas Lutheran
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: baseballfan24 on April 08, 2010, 07:40:54 pm
NCBWA/D3baseball.com Top 25 Week 6, 2010
West Region teams listed
http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2010/week-6
Rk School (first)                 Last  Rec.     Pts
2  Chapman                        3     20-4     590
5  Pomona-Pitzer                  7     23-5     504
11 Mississippi College            10    24-4     347
17 Redlands                       23    24-3     191
25 Trinity (Texas)                24    23-7      72

Also receiving votes:  Pacific Lutheran 58, Texas-Tyler 37, Linfield 5,

ABCA POLL WEST REGION TEAMS APRIL 6, 2010
Rank School Record Points Last Rank

http://www.muhlenberg.edu/pdf/main/athletics/abcapoll4610.pdf
2. Chapman (Calif.) 20-4 232 2
5. Mississippi College 24-4 196 4
7. Redlands (Calif.) 24-3 185 9
8. Pomona-Pitzer (Calif.) 23-5 184 12
20. Linfield (Ore.) 18-7 82 17
21. Trinity (Texas) 23-7 69 24
24. Texas-Tyler 23-7 54 30

Also receiving votes George Fox (Ore.),Texas Lutheran


you missed Pac Lutheran in at 17
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: baseballfan24 on April 08, 2010, 07:52:40 pm
When I look at those records and all those teams, it disappoints so much that there is not likely going to be an 8 team west regional.  I am going on recent history.  It seems as though 3 or 4 very good teams will be left at home once again.

SCIAC - Pomona Pitzer and Redlands - playing each other this weekend
ASC - UT-Tyler, Mississippi College, and Texas Lutheran all have strong records
NWC - Pac. Lutheran, Linfield, and George Fox (getting hot)
SCAC - Trinity is the only one in this region but they have Brimingham So., Millsaps, and Rhodes to compete with - so their road is difficult
IND - Chapman of course is strong again

That makes 10 teams in the west region that are all playing well, and traditionally only 6 will make the west region. That leaves four pretty good teams without a shot.  Anyone think there is a chance of an 8 team regional since one of each in the ASC and NWC will likely play themselves out of it?  What about getting shipped to another region?
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 08, 2010, 09:41:41 pm
When I look at those records and all those teams, it disappoints so much that there is not likely going to be an 8 team west regional.  I am going on recent history.  It seems as though 3 or 4 very good teams will be left at home once again.

SCIAC - Pomona Pitzer and Redlands - playing each other this weekend
ASC - UT-Tyler, Mississippi College, and Texas Lutheran all have strong records
NWC - Pac. Lutheran, Linfield, and George Fox (getting hot)
SCAC - Trinity is the only one in this region but they have Brimingham So., Millsaps, and Rhodes to compete with - so their road is difficult
IND - Chapman of course is strong again

That makes 10 teams in the west region that are all playing well, and traditionally only 6 will make the west region. That leaves four pretty good teams without a shot.  Anyone think there is a chance of an 8 team regional since one of each in the ASC and NWC will likely play themselves out of it?  What about getting shipped to another region?

SCIAC -- No post-season tourney, but PP and Redlands still have 4 games to play.  Likelihood of Pool C bid.
ASC -- TLU is in second place in the ASC-West and still must play Division leader  HSU.  HSU may have the pitching to match TLU.  ASC Tourney will hang 2 more in-region losses on the runners-up, to hurt the Pool C chances.
SCAC -- TU looks strong, but Birmingham-Southern is not eligible for SCAC post-season or the NCAA's.  Games vs BSC do get counted towards in-region records.
NWC -- No Post Season Tourney!  May get a Pool C bid.
Chapman -- 'nuff said.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 11, 2010, 01:48:06 am
Redlands(26-4)
Mississippi College(26-6)
Texas Tyler(26-8)
Trinity Texas(25-7)
Pomona-Pitzer(24-7)
Texas Lutheran(24-9)
Chapman University   (22-5)
Pacific-Lutheran(22-6)
Linfield College(21-8)
George Fox(19-10)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 13, 2010, 10:57:58 am
SCAC - Trinity is the only one in this region but they have Brimingham So., Millsaps, and Rhodes to compete with - so their road is difficult

[...]

SCAC -- TU looks strong, but Birmingham-Southern is not eligible for SCAC post-season or the NCAA's.  Games vs BSC do get counted towards in-region records.


Since Trinity is in the SCAC-W and BSC/Rhodes are in the SCAC-E, the only time they'd play Rhodes would be at the conference championships; B-SC is similarly not on the regular season schedule.   Millsaps comes to town this weekend for three; if Trinity loses more than one, it could harm their chances of a pool C bid should they not win the AQ in the tourney.   A Wednesday game vs. Texas Lutheran is also a must-win. 

B-SC is worth keeping your eyes on next year when they're eligible ... they've built a strong program so far. 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 13, 2010, 11:16:39 am
 WEST REGION TEAMS from TOP 25 Poll
2 Chapman (1) 22-5 573
10 Pomona-Pitzer 24-7 365
11 Redlands 26-4 339
16 Mississippi College 26-6 232
19 Trinity (Texas) 26-7 145
20 Pacific Lutheran 23-6 126
23 Texas-Tyler 26-8 79

Others receiving votes: Texas Lutheran 10,Linfield 5
 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 20, 2010, 12:41:11 am
West Region Teams April 19, 2010
# School  Rec. Pts
http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2010/week-8
4 Chapman 24-7 489
12 Pomona-Pitzer 26-8 324
13 Mississippi College 28-7 280
15 Redlands 27-6 247
19 Trinity (Texas) 28-7 173
20 Pacific Lutheran 27-7 154
25 Texas-Tyler 28-10 48
29 Linfield 24-10 17
30 Texas Lutheran 26-10 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 27, 2010, 10:43:53 am
West Region teams in this weeks poll
Through games of April 25, 2010

 # School (No. 1 votes) Rec. Pts
6 Chapman 25-8 489
9 Pomona-Pitzer 28-8 394
10 Mississippi College 32-7 377
14 Trinity (Texas) 32-7 297
16 Pacific Lutheran 30-7 209
20 Texas-Tyler 30-10 110
24 Redlands 27-8 75

Others receiving votes: Linfield 47, Texas Lutheran 30

It will be interesting how this compares to NCAA region rankings released later this week.
 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: OshDude on April 28, 2010, 09:38:21 am
West Region teams in this weeks poll
Through games of April 25, 2010

 # School (No. 1 votes) Rec. Pts
6 Chapman 25-8 489
9 Pomona-Pitzer 28-8 394
10 Mississippi College 32-7 377
14 Trinity (Texas) 32-7 297
16 Pacific Lutheran 30-7 209
20 Texas-Tyler 30-10 110
24 Redlands 27-8 75

Others receiving votes: Linfield 47, Texas Lutheran 30

It will be interesting how this compares to NCAA region rankings released later this week.
Linfield will be much higher in the RR.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: baseballfan24 on May 03, 2010, 09:07:25 pm
The West Region Rankings are going to be shaken up after this past weekend.

In:
1. Chapman - good record good schedule
2. Pomona Pitzer - winner of SCIAC
3. Linfield - winner of NWC
4. Trinity - winner of SCAC
5. winner of ASC tournament
6. Pool C

Here is the interesting stuff:

Pac Lutheran 23-10 (in region)
1-3 vs. Linfield, 2-0 vs Cal Lutheran and LaVerne,  2-1 vs. George Fox - may have played themselves out with the Linfield sweep.

The Redlands 23-9 (in region)
2-2 vs. Pomona, 3-1 vs. Cal Lutheran, 3-1 vs. LaVerne - their weekend likely depends on how they do vs. Champan.  If they win the series, I think they get the bid.  That is a big if.  Even if they only win 1 they might still get in.

Mississippi College 30-4 (in region)
If this team does not win, I think they are still in, but regardless of victory will likely play in a different regional.  This still leaves two spots open if this happens.

Texas Lutheran 28-11 (in region)
2-0 vs. UT-Tyler, 0-2 vs. Trinity, 2-0 vs. UT-Dallas - not sure how this team gets an at-large with 2 more losses.  They may have to win it all and the ASC has only received one at-large ever.

UT-Tyler 28-9 (in region)
if they get to the championship game, maybe.  But losses to TLU and UMHB and Miss. Coll. may hurt in the long run.

Much depends on the results of the ASC this weekend and the Redlands vs. Chapman series.  My guess is one of the west coast teams gets in before a Texas team.  Who knows, maybe this year the west regional gets another spot.  If Miss. Coll. wins it and two bids are open then it would probably be the two west coast teams. 

I don't know what will happen, but history tells us the west coast teams will get the bids.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on May 03, 2010, 09:58:34 pm
Pool C bids are handed out nationally, not regionally. Just because the west gets and 8-team regional (or 7 team regional) does not mean the extra teams come from the west. The 15 teams the NCAA sees as most desreving nationally get the bids... they could leave the west out all together or give the west seven bids... who knows?
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 15, 2011, 02:19:06 am
My Rankings in the West this week 2/14/2010

1) Pomona 8-0
2) Linfield 4-0
3) George Fox 4-0
4) Texas-Tyler 3-0
5) Trinity 4-1
6) Louisana College 6-1
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: cat_fan_08 on February 16, 2011, 11:44:33 pm
Great to see Linfield and George Fox pitching it well.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 27, 2011, 10:48:59 am
Most Wins in the West

SCIAC Pomona 12-2  
ASC Texas-Tyler 11-0
SCAC Trinity-Texas 11-1  
NWC George Fox 9-0  
ASC Louisana College 9-4
IND UDallas 7-2
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 14, 2011, 02:17:27 pm
1 Texas-Tyler 18-0
2 Trinity (Texas) 18-3
3 Chapman 12-4
4 Linfield 10-4
5 Redlands 12-4
6 UDallas 14-5
7 CalLu 12-6
8 George Fox 11-4
9 Pomona-Pitzer 14-6
10 Hardin-Simmons 13-5

 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 15, 2011, 12:07:17 am
1 Texas-Tyler 18-0
2 Trinity (Texas) 18-3
3 Chapman 12-4 13-4
4 Linfield 10-4
5 Redlands 12-4
6 UDallas 14-5
7 CalLu 12-6
8 George Fox 11-4
9 Pomona-Pitzer 14-6
10 Hardin-Simmons 13-5

 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 15, 2011, 03:21:57 pm
1 Texas-Tyler 18-0
2 Trinity (Texas) 18-3
3 Chapman 12-4 13-4
4 Linfield 10-4
5 Redlands 12-4
6 UDallas 14-5
7 CalLu 12-6
8 George Fox 11-4
9 Pomona-Pitzer 14-6
10 Hardin-Simmons 13-5

 

I find it hard to believe that Chapman would be #3 in the West.  They are 7-4 in West region games and those teams are under .500 combined.  McMurry and Whittier do not help the cause, and Pomona doesn't seem to be what I thought they would be.  Obviously their opponents get a lot tougher coming up but at this point, I don't see them up there.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: D O.C. on March 16, 2011, 02:00:45 am
Just wondering without researching....where are the West Regionals this year.?
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: playball on March 16, 2011, 03:43:51 am
Just wondering without researching....where are the West Regionals this year.?

McMurray I think.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 16, 2011, 10:52:36 am
Would that be McMurry (TX) or MacMurray (IA) ?
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 16, 2011, 11:11:46 am
Would that be McMurry (TX) or MacMurray (IA) ?

McMurry (TX)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 16, 2011, 02:08:12 pm
1 Texas-Tyler 18-0
2 Trinity (Texas) 18-3
3 Chapman 12-4 13-4
4 Linfield 10-4
5 Redlands 12-4
6 UDallas 14-5
7 CalLu 12-6
8 George Fox 11-4
9 Pomona-Pitzer 14-6
10 Hardin-Simmons 13-5

 

I find it hard to believe that Chapman would be #3 in the West.  They are 7-4 in West region games and those teams are under .500 combined.  McMurry and Whittier do not help the cause, and Pomona doesn't seem to be what I thought they would be.  Obviously their opponents get a lot tougher coming up but at this point, I don't see them up there.
You indeed are correct. IF Chapman does not win its Regional Games it could be sitting home at playoff time
BUT
Remember in 2009 Chapman had a horrible record against the SCIAC teams but got to the regional, won the regional finished in 3rd place in DIII championship series one win away from the National Championship game. Chapman is competing with POOL B teams not any POOL A teams for a spot. So if they win enough to get in as a POOL B bid team is all that counts. Right now UDallas and Chapman are competing for the top spot in Pool B with UDallas on top. There will be at least 3 Pool B bids so Chapman just has to finish in TOP 3 in POOL B.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 20, 2011, 11:51:30 pm
Here is what I think is the current standings in the West.  I am not 100% positive on this due to simple human error and I also saw on the d3 site it had Dallas Christian listed as in-region games for Trinity.  Either way, this might give a little preview but there are a lot of games still to be played.
UT-Tyler 1.00%
Linfield .923%
Redlands .769%
Trinity .762%
Hardin-Simmons .722%
Cal Lutheran .705%
Pomona-Pitzer .700%
George Fox .667%
Concordia .650%
Univ. of Dallas .645%
Chapman .645%
Texas Lutheran .631%
La Verne .600%
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 21, 2011, 12:10:06 am
Here is what I think is the current standings in the West.  I am not 100% positive on this due to simple human error and I also saw on the d3 site it had Dallas Christian listed as in-region games for Trinity.  Either way, this might give a little preview but there are a lot of games still to be played.
UT-Tyler 1.00%
Linfield .923%
Trinity .792%
Redlands .769%
Hardin-Simmons .722%
Cal Lutheran .705%
Pomona-Pitzer .700%
George Fox .667%
Concordia .650%
Univ. of Dallas .645%
Chapman .645%
Texas Lutheran .631%
La Verne .600%
I have notified Jim Dixon about Trinity's in-region games.  Dallas Christian x3, De Sales x 2 and Cardinal Stritch x1 are not in-region.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 21, 2011, 12:19:48 am
Here is what I think is the current standings in the West.  I am not 100% positive on this due to simple human error and I also saw on the d3 site it had Dallas Christian listed as in-region games for Trinity.  Either way, this might give a little preview but there are a lot of games still to be played.
UT-Tyler 1.00%
Linfield .923%
Trinity .792%
Redlands .769%
Hardin-Simmons .722%
Cal Lutheran .705%
Pomona-Pitzer .700%
George Fox .667%
Concordia .650%
Univ. of Dallas .645%
Chapman .645%
Texas Lutheran .631%
La Verne .600%
I have notified Jim Dixon about Trinity's in-region games.  Dallas Christian x3, De Sales x 2 and Cardinal Stritch x1 are not in-region.

That would change Trinity and Redlands as they would swap the 3/4 slot.  That change is now reflected above.

Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 21, 2011, 01:29:31 pm
1-UT-Tyler 1.00%
2-Linfield .923%
3-Trinity .792%
4-Redlands .769%
5-Hardin-Simmons .722%
6-Cal Lutheran .705%
7-Pomona-Pitzer .700%
8-George Fox .667%
9-Concordia .650%
10-Univ. of Dallas .645%
11-Chapman .645%
12-Texas Lutheran .631%
13-La Verne .600%

Still lots of baseball left but here is pure speculation based upon above information. But this will indeed change

UT Tyler(ASC Pool A)
Linfield(NWC Pool A)
Trinity(SCAC Pool A)
Redlands(SCIAC Pool A)
Hardin-Simmons(ASC Pool C) or Chapman(IND Pool B) or UDallas(IND Pool B)
Cal Lutheran(SCIAC Pool C) or George Fox(NWC Pool C) or Pomona Pitzer(Pool C)

Hmmm lets check back in 2 weeks and see how this may change. As always it will go down to the last few days to decide this.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: baseballfan24 on March 21, 2011, 09:41:40 pm
1. UT-Tyler 21-0, 19-0 (in region)
2. Linfield 14-4, 12-1 (in region)
3. Trinity 21-5, 16-5 (in region)
4. Hardin-Simmons 17-5, 13-5 (in region)
5. Redlands 15-6, 10-3 (in region)
6. Pomona-Pitzer 17-6, 14-6 (in region)
7. George Fox 14-5, 9-4 (in region)
8. Cal Lutheran 15-7, 11-5 (in region)
9. Texas Lutheran 15-9, 13-6 (in region)
10. Concordia Texas 13-9, 13-7 (in region)
11. Chapman 16-5, 9-5 (in region)
12. University of Dallas 16-6, 9-5 (in region)
13. La Verne 13-10, 12-8 (in region)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 21, 2011, 11:00:51 pm
1. UT-Tyler 21-0, 19-0 (in region)
2. Linfield 14-4, 12-1 (in region)
3. Trinity 21-5, 16-5 (in region)
4. Hardin-Simmons 17-5, 13-5 (in region)
5. Redlands 15-6, 10-3 (in region)
6. Pomona-Pitzer 17-6, 14-6 (in region)
7. George Fox 14-5, 9-4 (in region)
8. Cal Lutheran 15-7, 11-5 (in region)
9. Texas Lutheran 15-9, 13-6 (in region)
10. Concordia Texas 13-9, 13-7 (in region)
11. Chapman 16-5, 9-5 (in region)
12. University of Dallas 16-6, 9-5 (in region)
13. La Verne 13-10, 12-8 (in region)

I went by the d3baseball.com list of each teams in-region games.  You have a few different numbers than I do but either of us could be right or wrong.  I have Tyler at 21-0 in region.  George Fox changed since last night and you have the right record.  I have Cal Lutheran at 12-5 in-region.  I think those are the only changes but like I said, there is a darn good chance I am wrong on some of this stuff.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on March 22, 2011, 11:21:27 am
1. UT-Tyler 21-0, 19-0 (in region)
2. Linfield 14-4, 12-1 (in region)
3. Trinity 21-5, 16-5 (in region)
4. Hardin-Simmons 17-5, 13-5 (in region)
5. Redlands 15-6, 10-3 (in region)
6. Pomona-Pitzer 17-6, 14-6 (in region)
7. George Fox 14-5, 9-4 (in region)
8. Cal Lutheran 15-7, 11-5 (in region)
9. Texas Lutheran 15-9, 13-6 (in region)
10. Concordia Texas 13-9, 13-7 (in region)
11. Chapman 16-5, 9-5 (in region)
12. University of Dallas 16-6, 9-5 (in region)
13. La Verne 13-10, 12-8 (in region)

I went by the d3baseball.com list of each teams in-region games.  You have a few different numbers than I do but either of us could be right or wrong.  I have Tyler at 21-0 in region.  George Fox changed since last night and you have the right record.  I have Cal Lutheran at 12-5 in-region.  I think those are the only changes but like I said, there is a darn good chance I am wrong on some of this stuff.
Trinity is 16-4 in Region.  The Birmingham Southern games dont count as in-region since it wasn't a conference game.  They beat Dallas Christian x2 and DeSales x2, went 1-1 v Birmingham Southern. 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 22, 2011, 12:18:20 pm
1. UT-Tyler 21-0, 19-0 (in region)
2. Linfield 14-4, 12-1 (in region)
3. Trinity 21-5, 16-5 (in region)
4. Hardin-Simmons 17-5, 13-5 (in region)
5. Redlands 15-6, 10-3 (in region)
6. Pomona-Pitzer 17-6, 14-6 (in region)
7. George Fox 14-5, 9-4 (in region)
8. Cal Lutheran 15-7, 11-5 (in region)
9. Texas Lutheran 15-9, 13-6 (in region)
10. Concordia Texas 13-9, 13-7 (in region)
11. Chapman 16-5, 9-5 (in region)
12. University of Dallas 16-6, 9-5 (in region)
13. La Verne 13-10, 12-8 (in region)

I went by the d3baseball.com list of each teams in-region games.  You have a few different numbers than I do but either of us could be right or wrong.  I have Tyler at 21-0 in region.  George Fox changed since last night and you have the right record.  I have Cal Lutheran at 12-5 in-region.  I think those are the only changes but like I said, there is a darn good chance I am wrong on some of this stuff.
Trinity is 16-4 in Region.  The Birmingham Southern games dont count as in-region since it wasn't a conference game.  They beat Dallas Christian x2 and DeSales x2, went 1-1 v Birmingham Southern. 

If that is the case, Trinity would be 15-4 according to the way the in-region games are labeled.  I pretty much give up because I obviously don't have he correct information or I am making mistakes.  I am only going by what the schedules on this site say.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: El Hombre on March 22, 2011, 07:55:51 pm
1. UT-Tyler 21-0, 19-0 (in region)
2. Linfield 14-4, 12-1 (in region)
3. Trinity 21-5, 16-5 (in region)
4. Hardin-Simmons 17-5, 13-5 (in region)
5. Redlands 15-6, 10-3 (in region)
6. Pomona-Pitzer 17-6, 14-6 (in region)
7. George Fox 14-5, 9-4 (in region)
8. Cal Lutheran 15-7, 11-5 (in region)
9. Texas Lutheran 15-9, 13-6 (in region)
10. Concordia Texas 13-9, 13-7 (in region)
11. Chapman 16-5, 9-5 (in region)
12. University of Dallas 16-6, 9-5 (in region)
13. La Verne 13-10, 12-8 (in region)

I went by the d3baseball.com list of each teams in-region games.  You have a few different numbers than I do but either of us could be right or wrong.  I have Tyler at 21-0 in region.  George Fox changed since last night and you have the right record.  I have Cal Lutheran at 12-5 in-region.  I think those are the only changes but like I said, there is a darn good chance I am wrong on some of this stuff.
Trinity is 16-4 in Region.  The Birmingham Southern games dont count as in-region since it wasn't a conference game.  They beat Dallas Christian x2 and DeSales x2, went 1-1 v Birmingham Southern. 

If that is the case, Trinity would be 15-4 according to the way the in-region games are labeled.  I pretty much give up because I obviously don't have he correct information or I am making mistakes.  I am only going by what the schedules on this site say.

Jack -
I think the following information may be helpful in clarifying what is defined as an "in region" game:  On the home page, go to the "Contact" tab.  Select the "FAQ" option, followed by the "NCAA Tournament" link.  Refer to question #4.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 22, 2011, 09:19:56 pm
I have read that 100 times but I took all of my information directly from the team schedules on this site.  No biggie at all.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on March 23, 2011, 08:43:15 am
you can go ahead and remove Trinity from any discussion of a pool C birth now with the loss the Hardin-Simmons last night.  I think TU is 3-4 in their last 7, with 5 in-region losses.  Assuming they dont win the SCAC they will have at least 7 in-region losses, which is going to be tough to get a pool C bid with. 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: historymajor on March 23, 2011, 08:49:32 am
West Regionals in Abilene, TX at McMurry Univ, Walt Driggers Field
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 23, 2011, 01:40:49 pm
you can go ahead and remove Trinity from any discussion of a pool C birth now with the loss the Hardin-Simmons last night.  I think TU is 3-4 in their last 7, with 5 in-region losses.  Assuming they dont win the SCAC they will have at least 7 in-region losses, which is going to be tough to get a pool C bid with.  
Chapman(16-5) with 5 in-region losses(3 of them by 1 run) also may have a tough time this year with the Pool B bid. They have several very tough in region games left: 4 games with Linfield, 3 games with UDallas, 3 with Redlands, 3 with Wheaton(yes it is in region), single games with Cal Lutheran and Claremont.

Errors have figured huge in their losses this year.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on March 23, 2011, 01:42:52 pm
But those will all help Chapman's SoS in the end which could play a big role in Pool B this season.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 23, 2011, 01:48:16 pm
But those will all help Chapman's SoS in the end which could play a big role in Pool B this season.
Chapman's strength is again its pitching that keeps them in all games. Team ERA 2.30 oppBA .192 oppOBA .274. When they play good D there are very difficult to beat.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 23, 2011, 11:32:33 pm
Top Records in the West
Texas-Tyler 22-0 1.000
Hardin Simmons 18-5 .783
Trinity-Texas 21-6 .778
Linfield 14-4 .778
Chapman 16-5 .762
UDallas 17-6 .739
Pomona Pitzer 17-6 .739
George Fox 14-5 .737
Redlands 15-6 .714
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 24, 2011, 04:16:25 pm
Top Records in the West
Texas-Tyler 22-0 1.000
Hardin Simmons 18-5 .783
Trinity-Texas 21-6 .778
Linfield 14-4 .778
Chapman 16-5 .762
UDallas 17-6 .739
Pomona Pitzer 17-6 .739
George Fox 14-5 .737
Redlands 15-6 .714

I expect to see Tyler, Linfield and Chapman in the West Regional for sure.  After that, I think the SCIAC has a long way to go before it is decided but Cal Lutheran can do a lot with a series win over La Verne and Pomona-Redlands will be a battle.  That conference should take shape in the next few weeks.  George Fox needs to win as much as they can from this point forward, same with Trinity. If Trinity does not win the SCAC tourney, they better hope it is a team from the South region so there is an extra spot in the West.  No matter what happens, this has been a very competitive season to this point.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: forheavendial4999 on March 24, 2011, 04:39:23 pm
Top Records in the West
Texas-Tyler 22-0 1.000
Hardin Simmons 18-5 .783
Trinity-Texas 21-6 .778
Linfield 14-4 .778
Chapman 16-5 .762
UDallas 17-6 .739
Pomona Pitzer 17-6 .739
George Fox 14-5 .737
Redlands 15-6 .714

I expect to see Tyler, Linfield and Chapman in the West Regional for sure.  After that, I think the SCIAC has a long way to go before it is decided but Cal Lutheran can do a lot with a series win over La Verne and Pomona-Redlands will be a battle.  That conference should take shape in the next few weeks.  George Fox needs to win as much as they can from this point forward, same with Trinity. If Trinity does not win the SCAC tourney, they better hope it is a team from the South region so there is an extra spot in the West.  No matter what happens, this has been a very competitive season to this point.

Why is Chapman a lock and Trinity not?
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2011, 05:34:45 pm
Top Records in the West
Texas-Tyler 22-0 1.000
Hardin Simmons 18-5 .783
Trinity-Texas 21-6 .778
Linfield 14-4 .778
Chapman 16-5 .762
UDallas 17-6 .739
Pomona Pitzer 17-6 .739
George Fox 14-5 .737
Redlands 15-6 .714

I expect to see Tyler, Linfield and Chapman in the West Regional for sure.  After that, I think the SCIAC has a long way to go before it is decided but Cal Lutheran can do a lot with a series win over La Verne and Pomona-Redlands will be a battle.  That conference should take shape in the next few weeks.  George Fox needs to win as much as they can from this point forward, same with Trinity. If Trinity does not win the SCAC tourney, they better hope it is a team from the South region so there is an extra spot in the West.  No matter what happens, this has been a very competitive season to this point.

Why is Chapman a lock and Trinity not?
Chapman is going for a bid in Pool B.  Trinity is falling in the ranks of teams that might earn an at-large bid from Pool C.  Therefore Trinity probably must win the SCAC tourney.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: forheavendial4999 on March 24, 2011, 06:16:06 pm
Top Records in the West
Texas-Tyler 22-0 1.000
Hardin Simmons 18-5 .783
Trinity-Texas 21-6 .778
Linfield 14-4 .778
Chapman 16-5 .762
UDallas 17-6 .739
Pomona Pitzer 17-6 .739
George Fox 14-5 .737
Redlands 15-6 .714

I expect to see Tyler, Linfield and Chapman in the West Regional for sure.  After that, I think the SCIAC has a long way to go before it is decided but Cal Lutheran can do a lot with a series win over La Verne and Pomona-Redlands will be a battle.  That conference should take shape in the next few weeks.  George Fox needs to win as much as they can from this point forward, same with Trinity. If Trinity does not win the SCAC tourney, they better hope it is a team from the South region so there is an extra spot in the West.  No matter what happens, this has been a very competitive season to this point.

Why is Chapman a lock and Trinity not?
Chapman is going for a bid in Pool B.  Trinity is falling in the ranks of teams that might earn an at-large bid from Pool C.  Therefore Trinity probably must win the SCAC tourney.

Doesn't Chapman have a mediocre region record?
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 24, 2011, 06:27:54 pm
Top Records in the West
Texas-Tyler 22-0 1.000
Hardin Simmons 18-5 .783
Trinity-Texas 21-6 .778
Linfield 14-4 .778
Chapman 16-5 .762
UDallas 17-6 .739
Pomona Pitzer 17-6 .739
George Fox 14-5 .737
Redlands 15-6 .714

I expect to see Tyler, Linfield and Chapman in the West Regional for sure.  After that, I think the SCIAC has a long way to go before it is decided but Cal Lutheran can do a lot with a series win over La Verne and Pomona-Redlands will be a battle.  That conference should take shape in the next few weeks.  George Fox needs to win as much as they can from this point forward, same with Trinity. If Trinity does not win the SCAC tourney, they better hope it is a team from the South region so there is an extra spot in the West.  No matter what happens, this has been a very competitive season to this point.

Why is Chapman a lock and Trinity not?
Chapman is going for a bid in Pool B.  Trinity is falling in the ranks of teams that might earn an at-large bid from Pool C.  Therefore Trinity probably must win the SCAC tourney.

Doesn't Chapman have a mediocre region record?
Chapman has an in-region record of 9-5, but they also have:

3 wins against Wooster who is likely to be in the Mideast Regional Rankings at the end of the season;

2 wins head-to-head against fellow Pool B member Ithaca

1 win over Kean, who may be in the Mid-Atlantic Region Rankings at the end of the season.

Those are favorable factors, as secondary criteria.

They have 15 in-region games left in the season.  If they can go 13-2 to finish at 21-7 in-region, I think that they can get in.  20-8 or 19-9 is a bit more "iffy".

Chapman (http://www.d3baseball.com/teams/Chapman/2011/index)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 24, 2011, 06:54:32 pm
Top Records in the West
Texas-Tyler 22-0 1.000
Hardin Simmons 18-5 .783
Trinity-Texas 21-6 .778
Linfield 14-4 .778
Chapman 16-5 .762
UDallas 17-6 .739
Pomona Pitzer 17-6 .739
George Fox 14-5 .737
Redlands 15-6 .714

I expect to see Tyler, Linfield and Chapman in the West Regional for sure.  After that, I think the SCIAC has a long way to go before it is decided but Cal Lutheran can do a lot with a series win over La Verne and Pomona-Redlands will be a battle.  That conference should take shape in the next few weeks.  George Fox needs to win as much as they can from this point forward, same with Trinity. If Trinity does not win the SCAC tourney, they better hope it is a team from the South region so there is an extra spot in the West.  No matter what happens, this has been a very competitive season to this point.

Why is Chapman a lock and Trinity not?
Chapman is going for a bid in Pool B.  Trinity is falling in the ranks of teams that might earn an at-large bid from Pool C.  Therefore Trinity probably must win the SCAC tourney.

Doesn't Chapman have a mediocre region record?
Chapman has an in-region record of 9-5, but they also have:

3 wins against Wooster Wabash who is likely to be in the Mideast Regional Rankings at the end of the season;

2 wins head-to-head against fellow Pool B member Ithaca

1 win over Kean, who may be in the Mid-Atlantic Region Rankings at the end of the season.

Those are favorable factors, as secondary criteria.

They have 15 in-region games left in the season.  If they can go 13-2 to finish at 21-7 in-region, I think that they can get in.  20-8 or 19-9 is a bit more "iffy".

Chapman (http://www.d3baseball.com/teams/Chapman/2011/index)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: D O.C. on March 24, 2011, 06:59:40 pm
Crash....did you get this I sent you?

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Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: utilitycat17 on March 25, 2011, 12:49:59 am
Top Records in the West
Texas-Tyler 22-0 1.000
Hardin Simmons 18-5 .783
Trinity-Texas 21-6 .778
Linfield 14-4 .778
Chapman 16-5 .762
UDallas 17-6 .739
Pomona Pitzer 17-6 .739
George Fox 14-5 .737
Redlands 15-6 .714

I expect to see Tyler, Linfield and Chapman in the West Regional for sure.  After that, I think the SCIAC has a long way to go before it is decided but Cal Lutheran can do a lot with a series win over La Verne and Pomona-Redlands will be a battle.  That conference should take shape in the next few weeks.  George Fox needs to win as much as they can from this point forward, same with Trinity. If Trinity does not win the SCAC tourney, they better hope it is a team from the South region so there is an extra spot in the West.  No matter what happens, this has been a very competitive season to this point.

Why is Chapman a lock and Trinity not?
Chapman is going for a bid in Pool B.  Trinity is falling in the ranks of teams that might earn an at-large bid from Pool C.  Therefore Trinity probably must win the SCAC tourney.

Doesn't Chapman have a mediocre region record?


Has anybody noticed who Chapman's competition is for pool B.  It is awful.  It doesn't matter whether they have a mediocre in region record or not.  They are a good team competing against poor competition.  I'm not talking about the teams they are playing against.  I'm talking about the teams they will be compared against for the playoffs.  It's practically a lock that they will get a bid because there aren't any other good teams left in pool B.  If they just continue to do what they are doing they will be fine.  This is one of the reasons why Chapman Baseball doesn't really want to be in the SCIAC.  They have such an easy road to the playoffs they don't have to be overly concerned about the regular season.  They know they will be in the playoffs.  They just have to make sure they are playing well when it matters most.  It's actually a good place to be if you are Chapman.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: forheavendial4999 on March 25, 2011, 07:03:23 am
Top Records in the West
Texas-Tyler 22-0 1.000
Hardin Simmons 18-5 .783
Trinity-Texas 21-6 .778
Linfield 14-4 .778
Chapman 16-5 .762
UDallas 17-6 .739
Pomona Pitzer 17-6 .739
George Fox 14-5 .737
Redlands 15-6 .714

I expect to see Tyler, Linfield and Chapman in the West Regional for sure.  After that, I think the SCIAC has a long way to go before it is decided but Cal Lutheran can do a lot with a series win over La Verne and Pomona-Redlands will be a battle.  That conference should take shape in the next few weeks.  George Fox needs to win as much as they can from this point forward, same with Trinity. If Trinity does not win the SCAC tourney, they better hope it is a team from the South region so there is an extra spot in the West.  No matter what happens, this has been a very competitive season to this point.

Why is Chapman a lock and Trinity not?
Chapman is going for a bid in Pool B.  Trinity is falling in the ranks of teams that might earn an at-large bid from Pool C.  Therefore Trinity probably must win the SCAC tourney.

Doesn't Chapman have a mediocre region record?
(snip)
They have 15 in-region games left in the season.  If they can go 13-2 to finish at 21-7 in-region, I think that they can get in.  20-8 or 19-9 is a bit more "iffy".

Chapman (http://www.d3baseball.com/teams/Chapman/2011/index)

That doesn't sound like a lock to me. Not sure if you're agreeing with me or not.

And Wooster is nowhere near being regionally ranked right now.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 25, 2011, 11:21:17 am
Top Records in the West
Texas-Tyler 22-0 1.000
Hardin Simmons 18-5 .783
Trinity-Texas 21-6 .778
Linfield 14-4 .778
Chapman 16-5 .762
UDallas 17-6 .739
Pomona Pitzer 17-6 .739
George Fox 14-5 .737
Redlands 15-6 .714

I expect to see Tyler, Linfield and Chapman in the West Regional for sure.  After that, I think the SCIAC has a long way to go before it is decided but Cal Lutheran can do a lot with a series win over La Verne and Pomona-Redlands will be a battle.  That conference should take shape in the next few weeks.  George Fox needs to win as much as they can from this point forward, same with Trinity. If Trinity does not win the SCAC tourney, they better hope it is a team from the South region so there is an extra spot in the West.  No matter what happens, this has been a very competitive season to this point.

Why is Chapman a lock and Trinity not?
Chapman is going for a bid in Pool B.  Trinity is falling in the ranks of teams that might earn an at-large bid from Pool C.  Therefore Trinity probably must win the SCAC tourney.

Doesn't Chapman have a mediocre region record?
(snip)
They have 15 in-region games left in the season.  If they can go 13-2 to finish at 21-7 in-region, I think that they can get in.  20-8 or 19-9 is a bit more "iffy".

Chapman (http://www.d3baseball.com/teams/Chapman/2011/index)

That doesn't sound like a lock to me. Not sure if you're agreeing with me or not.

And Wooster is nowhere near being regionally ranked right now.
Chapman played Wabash not Wooster this year.

I would never say LOCK...since there are only 3 Pool B bids. Yes Pool B bid is a lot easier than winning the SCIAC or ASC or NWC or getting a Pool C bid. In 2009 Chapman almost missed a Pool B bid because of all the in region losses they had that year. If they continue to play well yes they are a lock.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: JohnnyU on March 26, 2011, 07:54:23 pm
This is somewhat accurate. I know Texas-Tyler has a loss now. Feel free to correct other mistakes. The record on the right is in region win%.

Texas-Tyler   ASC   22   0   1.000   19   0   1.000
Linfield   NWC   14   4   0.778   12   1   0.923
Redlands   SCIAC   19   6   0.760   14   3   0.824
Hardin-Simmons   ASC   25   5   0.833   17   5   0.773
Trinity (Texas)   SCAC   21   6   0.778   15   5   0.750
Pomona-Pitzer   SCIAC   17   6   0.739   16   6   0.727
Cal Lutheran   SCIAC   16   7   0.696   13   5   0.722
George Fox   NWC   14   5   0.737   9   4   0.692
Concordia (Texas)   ASC   13   9   0.591   13   7   0.650
Chapman   IND   16   5   0.762   9   5   0.643
La Verne   SCIAC   13   10   0.565   12   8   0.600
Texas Lutheran   ASC   14   11   0.560   12   8   0.600
University of Dallas   IND   17   6   0.739   7   5   0.583
Texas-Dallas   ASC   14   9   0.609   11   8   0.579
Pacific   NWC   12   7   0.632   8   7   0.533
Louisiana College   ASC   15   8   0.652   5   5   0.500
Southwestern   SCAC   16   12   0.571   12   12   0.500
Sul Ross State   ASC   11   10   0.524   9   9   0.500
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   SCIAC   12   11   0.522   9   9   0.500
Mississippi College   ASC   11   11   0.500   10   10   0.500
Puget Sound   NWC   7   8   0.467   7   7   0.500
Whitworth   NWC   9   12   0.429   7   7   0.500
Hendrix   SCAC   11   11   0.500   8   10   0.444
LeTourneau   ASC   10   10   0.500   8   10   0.444
Pacific Lutheran   NWC   8   9   0.471   5   7   0.417
Whittier   SCIAC   12   11   0.522   7   10   0.412
Mary Hardin-Baylor   ASC   10   12   0.455   7   11   0.389
Occidental   SCIAC   8   15   0.348   7   11   0.389
Willamette   NWC   8   9   0.471   5   8   0.385
East Texas Baptist   ASC   8   14   0.364   5   12   0.294
Howard Payne   ASC   8   13   0.386   4   11   0.267
McMurry   ASC   6   14   0.300   4   12   0.250
Schreiner   ASC   4   17   0.190   4   12   0.250
Austin   SCAC   5   16   0.238   4   14   0.222
University of the Ozarks   ASC   4   19   0.174   3   12   0.200
Whitman   NWC   3   17   0.150   3   13   0.188
Lewis and Clark   NWC   3   17   0.150   3   13   0.188
Caltech   SCIAC   0   15   0.000   0   13   0.000
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 27, 2011, 08:03:40 pm
ASC Texas Tyler 22-1(9-1 in last 10. 1st in conference)
SCAC Trinity 21-8  (4-6 in last 10. 2nd in conference)
ASC Hardin Simmons 20-6 (8-2 in last 10. 1st in conference)
SCIAC Pomona 20-6 (7-3 in last 10. 4th in conference)
IND Chapman 19-5(9-1 in last 10. 1st in Independents)
SCIAC Redlands 18-6 (8-2 in last 10. 1st in conference)
IND UDallas 18-7 (6-4 in last 10, 2nd in Independents)
ASC Louisiana College 18-8 (7-3 in last 10. 2nd in conference)
NWC George Fox 17-5(7-3 in last 10. 3rd in conference)
NWC Linfied College 16-5 (8-2 in last 10 2nd in conference)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: forheavendial4999 on March 27, 2011, 08:20:38 pm
Top Records in the West
Texas-Tyler 22-0 1.000
Hardin Simmons 18-5 .783
Trinity-Texas 21-6 .778
Linfield 14-4 .778
Chapman 16-5 .762
UDallas 17-6 .739
Pomona Pitzer 17-6 .739
George Fox 14-5 .737
Redlands 15-6 .714

I expect to see Tyler, Linfield and Chapman in the West Regional for sure.  After that, I think the SCIAC has a long way to go before it is decided but Cal Lutheran can do a lot with a series win over La Verne and Pomona-Redlands will be a battle.  That conference should take shape in the next few weeks.  George Fox needs to win as much as they can from this point forward, same with Trinity. If Trinity does not win the SCAC tourney, they better hope it is a team from the South region so there is an extra spot in the West.  No matter what happens, this has been a very competitive season to this point.

Why is Chapman a lock and Trinity not?
Chapman is going for a bid in Pool B.  Trinity is falling in the ranks of teams that might earn an at-large bid from Pool C.  Therefore Trinity probably must win the SCAC tourney.

Doesn't Chapman have a mediocre region record?
(snip)
They have 15 in-region games left in the season.  If they can go 13-2 to finish at 21-7 in-region, I think that they can get in.  20-8 or 19-9 is a bit more "iffy".

Chapman (http://www.d3baseball.com/teams/Chapman/2011/index)

That doesn't sound like a lock to me. Not sure if you're agreeing with me or not.

And Wooster is nowhere near being regionally ranked right now.
Chapman played Wabash not Wooster this year.

I would never say LOCK...since there are only 3 Pool B bids. Yes Pool B bid is a lot easier than winning the SCIAC or ASC or NWC or getting a Pool C bid. In 2009 Chapman almost missed a Pool B bid because of all the in region losses they had that year. If they continue to play well yes they are a lock.

Oh now I see it was corrected above. No matter, neither one of them will be ranked.

Chapman definitely has chances to impression with how their schedule finishes. But so far...not really so much.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 27, 2011, 08:46:19 pm
3/27/2011

1) Texas Tyler(22-3)
2) Chapman(19-5)
3) Redlands(18-6)
4) Linfield(16-5)
5) George Fox(17-5)
6) Trinity Texas(21-8)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on March 27, 2011, 09:56:27 pm
Regional Ranking- * I took these numbers straight from the d3baseball site, forgive me if I make a mistake.  These are IN-REGION games only

1) UT-Tyler                   .909%
2) Linfield                     .875%
3) Redlands                  .813%
4) Pomona                   .769%
5) George Fox              .750%
6) Hardin-Simmons      .727%
7) Chapman                .706%
8) Trinity                     .682%
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on March 28, 2011, 08:56:20 am
Trinity is playing BAD baseball right now.  Only chance for them to get in now is to win the tourney and get the A bid. 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: TexasBB on March 28, 2011, 12:40:14 pm
UTT is 23-2. - 920%

They were 22-0 going into series with UTD and lost 2 out of 3.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: OshDude on March 28, 2011, 03:10:02 pm
UTT is 23-2. - 920%

They were 22-0 going into series with UTD and lost 2 out of 3.

Texas BB
Jack did in-region only. UTT is 20-2 in-region.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: TexasBB on March 28, 2011, 04:31:12 pm
Got it

Texas BB ;)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 29, 2011, 08:30:06 am
WEST REGION TEAMS

11 teams in the West get votes this week. 3 in the top 10. Some big future game match ups coming in April. Chapman/Linfield,  Linfield/George Fox, Chapman/UDallas, Chapman/Redlands  Pomona/Redlands, Texas-Tyler/Louisiana College

D3baseball.com/NCBWA Top 25, Week 5
Through game of Sunday, March 27

#    School (1st votes)    Rec    Pts    Prev.
6    Texas-Tyler (2)    23-2    516    3
7    Linfield    16-5    446    9
8    Chapman    19-5    411    11
11    Pomona-Pitzer    20-6    313    14
14    George Fox    17-5    210    19
22    Trinity (Texas)    21-8    141    10
26   Hardin-Simmons 78,
31   Redlands 27
37  Louisiana College 14,
42  University of Dallas 8,
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 31, 2011, 05:22:00 am
FROM D3baseball.com/NCBWA Top 25,
#      School
6       Texas-Tyler(23-2)    
7       Linfield(16-5)    
8       Chapman(19-5)    
11     Pomona-Pitzer(20-6 )   
14     George Fox(17-5)    
22     Trinity-Texas(21-8)
26     Hardin-Simmons(20-6),
31     Redlands(18-6)
37     Louisiana College(18-9)
42     University of Dallas(18-8)
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 10, 2011, 11:20:25 pm
MOST WINS as of 4/10/2011
Texas-Tyler 29-3
Trinity-Texas 29-8
Hardin-Simmons 25-8
Pomona-Pitzer 23-9
Chapman 22-5
Redlands 22-8
UDallas 22-11
Linfield 21-6
 
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 11, 2011, 01:26:59 am
MOST WINS as of 4/10/2011
Texas-Tyler 29-3
Trinity-Texas 29-8
Hardin-Simmons 25-8
Pomona-Pitzer 23-9
Chapman 22-5
Redlands 22-8
UDallas 22-11
Linfield 21-6
 

Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: TexasBB on April 12, 2011, 12:06:49 pm
Hardin Simmons has made a steady climb and has now cracked the top 25 in the latest poll. They are the class of the ASC west with a 12-3 record.

Texas BB
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 17, 2011, 11:53:00 am
Top teams in the West

ASC Texas-Tyler 31-4
SCIAC Redlands 24-8
NWC Linfield 22-7
SCAC Trinity-TX 29-10
IND Chapman 23-6
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 18, 2011, 10:15:44 am
IN-REGION records as of 4/18/11

1. UT-Tyler               28-4    .875%
2. Linfield                 22-4    .846%
3. Redlands             20-5    .800%
4. Pomona-Pitzer    24-10   .705%
5. Trinity                  24-11   .686%
6. George Fox          17-8     .680%
7. LaVerne               21-11   .656%
8. Chapman             15-8     .652%

It is interesting to see how this is stacking up, especially with Pomona-Pitzer resting in 4th place in the SCIAC.  It's hard to imagine them getting in while being a 4th place team but who knows.  There are still some games to be played so this will obviously change but Trinity can not afford 2 more losses and Chapman can not afford any more losses (big 3-game set with Redlands coming up).  
I am not as well versed in this area but what do some of the more knowlegable guys on here think will happen?  How will flights affect the West regional?  Thoughts?  
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: hsusid on April 18, 2011, 12:57:38 pm
REVISED
1. UT-Tyler               28-4    .875%
2. Linfield                 22-4    .846%
3. Redlands              20-5    .800%
4. Hardin-Simmons   22-9    .710%
5. Pomona-Pitzer      24-10   .705%
6. Trinity                  24-11   .686%
7. George Fox           17-8     .680%
8. LaVerne                21-11   .656%
9. Chapman              15-8     .652%
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 18, 2011, 01:04:08 pm
REVISED
1. UT-Tyler               28-4    .875%
2. Linfield                 22-4    .846%
3. Redlands              20-5    .800%
4. Hardin-Simmons   22-9    .710%
5. Pomona-Pitzer      24-10   .705%
6. Trinity                  24-11   .686%
7. George Fox           17-8     .680%
8. LaVerne                21-11   .656%
9. Chapman              15-8     .652%

Oops!  What can I say, it's Monday morning ;D
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 18, 2011, 03:35:19 pm
REVISED
1. UT-Tyler               28-4    .875%
2. Linfield                 22-4    .846%
3. Redlands              20-5    .800%
4. Hardin-Simmons   22-9    .710%
5. Pomona-Pitzer      24-10   .705%
6. Trinity                  24-11   .686%
7. George Fox           17-8     .680%
8. LaVerne                21-11   .656%
9. Chapman              15-8     .652%

Oops!  What can I say, it's Monday morning ;D
Not looking good for Chapman making the Regionals. 6 in region games left. 3 with UDallas and 3 with Redlands



Pool B teams with In Region win% over .600.

Team    Win%         
St. John Fisher   0.789   
Piedmont   0.688   
Emory   0.676   
Case Western Reserve   0.667   
Maryville (Tenn.)   0.667     
Washington U.   0.657   
Chapman   0.652   
University of Dallas   0.636   
Staten Island   0.632   
Chicago   0.615   
Brandeis   0.600   
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: BigPoppa on April 18, 2011, 03:47:07 pm
Chapman's best bet is going to be Pool C. I do not see them making a run at a Pool B bid anymore.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on April 18, 2011, 05:19:55 pm
My Regional Picks. Of course a lot can change in next 4 weeks.

NWC - Linfield
SCIAC - Redlands
ASC - Texas Tyler
SCAC - Trinity-Texas
Pool C - Hardin Simmons
Pool B/C - ??????????
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: El Hombre on April 18, 2011, 09:52:56 pm
Chapman's best bet is going to be Pool C. I do not see them making a run at a Pool B bid anymore.

Once the SOS is factored in, I think the "rankings" will change substantially.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: OshDude on April 19, 2011, 03:52:35 am
REVISED
1. UT-Tyler               28-4    .875%
2. Linfield                 22-4    .846%
3. Redlands              20-5    .800%
4. Hardin-Simmons   22-9    .710%
5. Pomona-Pitzer      24-10   .705%
6. Trinity                  24-11   .686%
7. George Fox           17-8     .680%
8. LaVerne                21-11   .656%
9. Chapman              15-8     .652%

Oops!  What can I say, it's Monday morning ;D
Not looking good for Chapman making the Regionals. 6 in region games left. 3 with UDallas and 3 with Redlands



Pool B teams with In Region win% over .600.

Team    Win%         
St. John Fisher   0.789   
Piedmont   0.688   
Emory   0.676   
Case Western Reserve   0.667   
Maryville (Tenn.)   0.667     
Washington U.   0.657   
Chapman   0.652   
University of Dallas   0.636   
Staten Island   0.632   
Chicago   0.615   
Brandeis   0.600   
Ithaca .692 (9-4 in-region).

I'm with Hombre. Chapman is still in the mix.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on April 19, 2011, 10:37:51 am
I believe Trinity is 23-10 in Region.  I dont think the games against Birmingham-Southern count as region games.  They are part of the conference, but the games weren't conference games.  I might have that rule wrong, but that is how I understand it.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: OshDude on April 19, 2011, 11:06:27 am
I believe Trinity is 23-10 in Region.  I dont think the games against Birmingham-Southern count as region games.  They are part of the conference, but the games weren't conference games.  I might have that rule wrong, but that is how I understand it.
Thank you.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: Jack Parkman on April 19, 2011, 11:11:05 am
I believe Trinity is 23-10 in Region.  I dont think the games against Birmingham-Southern count as region games.  They are part of the conference, but the games weren't conference games.  I might have that rule wrong, but that is how I understand it.

You are probably right, I just went by the little black dots on the schedules.
Title: Re: BB: Just Some Guy's West Region Rankings
Post by: OshDude on April 19, 2011, 11:33:44 am
I believe Trinity is 23-10 in Region.  I dont think the games against Birmingham-Southern count as region games.  They are part of the conference, but the games weren't conference games.  I might have that rule wrong, but that is how I understand it.

You are probably right, I just went by the little black dots on the schedules.
That was my fault. Thanks again, Tigerfan. It's been fixed.

Please let me know of any other in-region mistakes.