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Title: BB: Player of the Year Candidates
Post by: Jim Dixon on October 24, 2007, 04:56:53 pm
Any thoughts who might make a splash in 2008 and come out as player of the year. 

I have a poll on d3baseball.com but can only list 8 players.  Who did I leave off?  Who should have been left off?  I did not consider pitchers - leaving that for another day.

Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: OldHasBeen on October 24, 2007, 05:08:37 pm
Jonas Fester...SS....Hopkins, 1st teamer last season at short....national record for doubles in a season...look for big things as a senior
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: infielddad on October 24, 2007, 07:48:53 pm
Jim,
While I haven't seen him play, I am familiar with the level of his competition.
The stats that Daniel Vanaman of Rhodes has put up over two years suggests he is  someone who merits consideration if he continues to show improvement as a senior.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Tom Brady on October 25, 2007, 09:49:42 am
I think Yacko has a pretty good chance as well, and he will only be playing his junior season.  He was lights out on the mound this summer and had a very strong year at the plate last year.  Sounds like some pretty good players on that list.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Jim Dixon on October 25, 2007, 05:47:07 pm
The poll on d3baseball.com has those players that were mentioned on both the D3Baseball.com and ABCA All-American teams.  The number of seniors on the two lists were just about normal.

Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: rjburke on October 26, 2007, 03:49:14 pm
I know I'm prejudiced, but Burke at Kean should be watched.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: mr_b on October 26, 2007, 07:54:22 pm
I know I'm prejudiced, but Burke at Kean should be watched.
OK, we'll all keep an eye on you if you insist.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: dgilblair on October 30, 2007, 07:03:04 pm
Any thoughts who might make a splash in 2008 and come out as player of the year. 

I have a poll on d3baseball.com but can only list 8 players.  Who did I leave off?  Who should have been left off?  I did not consider pitchers - leaving that for another day.



Maybe you should have put a NONE OF THE ABOVE option in the poll?
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: blipp50 on November 10, 2007, 10:47:55 am
consideration:
joey cacchiola  sophomore ss/p  Ramapo college of new jersey was njac rookie of the year
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Spence on November 13, 2007, 08:25:56 am
The list of favorites has to start with Shawn Gilblair and Kurt Yacko. From there, you could go about anywhere.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Jim Dixon on November 13, 2007, 01:33:43 pm
The list of favorites has to start with Shawn Gilblair and Kurt Yacko. From there, you could go about anywhere.

Truth spoken.  These two play at a consistently high level.  in 2007, Yacko was the better player and 2006 Gilblair was.  2008 will be interesting. 

Considering Ithaca's Shane Wolf's play in the summer the utility position will be one to watch.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: infielddad on November 14, 2007, 11:21:26 am
formula50,
I have never seen this young man play, ever.
But, from Jim's post, it sounds like he had a very nice summer league season.
From everything I have seen about summer wood bat leagues, poor hitters get exposed and good hitters excel.
You don't get many easy chances in summer leagues.  Nearly every pitcher is good, most better than you will see in a week at DIII. 
Jim's indication this player had a good solid summer leads me to believe your comments aren't appropriate or accurate.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Jim Dixon on November 14, 2007, 12:57:34 pm
formula50,
I have never seen this young man play, ever.
But, from Jim's post, it sounds like he had a very nice summer league season.
From everything I have seen about summer wood bat leagues, poor hitters get exposed and good hitters excel.
You don't get many easy chances in summer leagues.  Nearly every pitcher is good, most better than you will see in a week at DIII. 
Jim's indication this player had a good solid summer leads me to believe your comments aren't appropriate or accurate.

Shane wolf had the best season of any D-III player and right up there with any other collegiate player.  See the article below.

His 2007 season was not spectacular but solid (first team all-Empire 8, third team NY region AA) but he might be getting out of the shadow of two way player Jeremy Peters


http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2007/08/07/Ithaca%27s+Wolf+leads+Elmira+to+championship
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: hitforthecycle on November 14, 2007, 02:42:02 pm
i have seen wolf play several times and all i'm saying is that despite what he did this summer offensively, he's not as good a hitter as he is a pitcher.  he can be easily exploited by teams that have good pitching and can throw to weaknesses.  wolf is a big kid and has virtually no power at the plate which should tell you something.  he can't turn on an 80 mph fastball which will probably explain why he hit a grand total of zero home runs for ithaca and one for elmira this summer.  he gets flares shots the other way and jam job hits for the most part.  here and there he'll sting one but for the most part he's no threat at the plate and far from the best two way player in the country.  i'm just calling a spade a spade that's all.  the kid has a good arm and any team in the country would take him as a two way player but stats do lie and this is a prime example.  Thererfore infielddad, Jim's comments are based on statistical evidence and although solid, my comments are a both very accurate and very appropriate thank you! 
 
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: infielddad on November 14, 2007, 08:01:57 pm
formula50,
So he hit a "soft" .367 in nearly 100 AB's in a summer wood bat league and then a "soft" .417 in the playoffs.
In the experience I had watching our son, wood eventually proves whether you are lucky or good.  Most summer league pitching is at a higher level that DIII throughout the course of a season.This player had more than enough AB's to support this is more than luck.
In reading the article Jim linked, it appears he didn't swing the bat for his first 2 years in college which could raise some additional things to consider in where he is from a skill perspective.
I don't have any problem with your comment he is a better pitcher than hitter.  I do have a problem with the position that he has not proven some things about his ability as a hitter with over 110 AB's in a solid wood bat league.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Spence on November 18, 2007, 01:00:57 pm
The list of favorites has to start with Shawn Gilblair and Kurt Yacko. From there, you could go about anywhere.

Truth spoken.  These two play at a consistently high level.  in 2007, Yacko was the better player and 2006 Gilblair was.  2008 will be interesting. 

Considering Ithaca's Shane Wolf's play in the summer the utility position will be one to watch.

The utility position has historically gotten more credit where player of the year was concerned as well.

I remember when Joe Thomas won it as a junior, then his senior year was actually a little less overwhelming in any one area if you were around for all of it, but the total body of work was such that he won it again.

And apparently Thomas has been hired as an assistant coach at Temple for the upcoming season. Just learned that via google. Good luck to him.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: BigPoppa on November 19, 2007, 02:50:10 pm


The utility position has historically gotten more credit where player of the year was concerned as well.

I remember when Joe Thomas won it as a junior, then his senior year was actually a little less overwhelming in any one area if you were around for all of it, but the total body of work was such that he won it again.

And apparently Thomas has been hired as an assistant coach at Temple for the upcoming season. Just learned that via google. Good luck to him.

I thought that in '96 Carthage's Mark Beyer should have been the POY. Beyer led the country with 25 HRs that season. Thomas got the POY but it was hard to argue it either way.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: dgilblair on November 20, 2007, 10:05:28 pm
The list of favorites has to start with Shawn Gilblair and Kurt Yacko. From there, you could go about anywhere.

Truth spoken.  These two play at a consistently high level.  in 2007, Yacko was the better player and 2006 Gilblair was.  2008 will be interesting. 

Considering Ithaca's Shane Wolf's play in the summer the utility position will be one to watch.

The utility position has historically gotten more credit where player of the year was concerned as well.

I remember when Joe Thomas won it as a junior, then his senior year was actually a little less overwhelming in any one area if you were around for all of it, but the total body of work was such that he won it again.

And apparently Thomas has been hired as an assistant coach at Temple for the upcoming season. Just learned that via google. Good luck to him.

Shawn really had a much better year in 2007 than 2006.  Some of the stats may not seem to say that but it's true.  He faced all the #1's in 07 as oppposed to 06 for the most part. And he was expected to do more in 07.  Look how his hitting improved from 06 to 07.  LEC foe better hope that doesn't continue...lol.  He had a great summer in the NECBL and we hope it just keeps going into 08.  ECSU at Fox Cities in May.  Maybe with a couple wins this time.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: hitforthecycle on November 21, 2007, 12:26:15 am
I don't think people realize how difficult it is to be a two-way player.  Many kids do it at programs out of necessity because a program may lack talent through recruiting efforts or depth and need a pitcher or two to do it but to be a two-way player at a great program such ECSU or Chapman for example is something special.  It takes an unselfish young man to do it.  For the kids who do it such as Gilblair, Yacko and Wolf especially at an elite level, I along with many I'm sure wonder how good these kids would be if they decided to stick to one or the other.  However, to be solid on both sides of the ball as opposed to better on one side or the other is more beneficial from a team standpoint but as an individual it can have an impact on the development of a player and his ability to be evaluated to play at the next level.  However, in my opinion if scouts are doing their job it shouldn't matter because projection is key and that's what minor league instructors are there for and that is to develop talent.  What I find so intriguing is the ability of these kids to recover and fight the natural effects of the physical breakdown of the body over a college season.  It's hard to say and I'm sure it's different for each kid for a variety of reasons but how much do the reps on either side of the ball take away from the other?  What's even more amazing to me is pitchers at the major league level who can flat out hit although not many, the one's who can amaze me such as Micah Owings.  I think he had two four-hit games this year for the D-Backs and five or six homers I believe.  I know he was a two-way player at Georgia Tech and then transfered to Tulane to do the same thing.  On top of that to be able to pitch at that level and be productive is special.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Bob Maxwell on November 21, 2007, 11:15:36 am
Formula, very well stated... I think doing both is much harder then you can imagine.   You have to do twice as much in the same amount of practice time... and something has to give.  For those who to it... and do it well, they are to be respected for it.

Well said...
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: hitforthecycle on November 21, 2007, 11:44:16 am
Thank you Bob and I forgot to mention that your son does a very good job of accomplishing this feat as well and best of luck with his continued success in '08.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: dgilblair on November 21, 2007, 05:53:35 pm
Formula, very well stated... I think doing both is much harder then you can imagine.   You have to do twice as much in the same amount of practice time... and something has to give.  For those who to it... and do it well, they are to be respected for it.

Well said...

I agree well stated.  Shawn last year tweaked both his thumbs just before regionals.  One on a check swing and one on a inside jam.  So the hitting aspect there did have an influence on his pitching.  Both thumbs were swollen, black and blue, so you know it has some impact.  But like Dixon said during regionals, many players have a nagging injury at some point during the season and he's pretty much right about that, except for those guys that never get hurt. 
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Spence on November 25, 2007, 12:29:26 am
The D'Backs should have put Owings in the field so he could bat when he didn't pitch. Their offense was just bad.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: NCWC on December 11, 2007, 08:00:03 am
Matt Smith-NCWC
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: rjburke on December 29, 2007, 11:49:20 pm
Are there any pre-season all-american lists in D3?
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: rjburke on February 12, 2008, 11:56:47 am
I know I'm prejudiced, but Burke at Kean should be watched.

I am prejudiced, of course, because I am his dad.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 12, 2008, 12:33:36 pm
I know I'm prejudiced, but Burke at Kean should be watched.

I am prejudiced, of course, because I am his dad.

I expect folks figured out your interest in Kean's Burke.  There are quite a few parents who post actively.  As a D3baseball preseason All-American, his credentials do indeed speak for himself.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: OldHasBeen on February 13, 2008, 09:11:27 am
From the Appalachian Mountains, to the the cozy confines of....North Jersey....why the transfer?  Coaching Change at FSU? Didn't enjoy the Mtns?  Wanted to play for the National Champs?....I hope he wasn't a year too late...
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 13, 2008, 12:36:03 pm
From the Appalachian Mountains, to the the cozy confines of....North Jersey....why the transfer?  Coaching Change at FSU? Didn't enjoy the Mtns?  Wanted to play for the National Champs?....I hope he wasn't a year too late...

I expect the whole situation at Frostburg State was an inducement to transfer.  I dont think that Burke was the only player who moved on. 

maybe he wants to be closer to hone.  You can go from Lindenhurst, NY (on Long Island)  to Union, NJ in 90 minutes (or so says mapquest)
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: OldHasBeen on February 13, 2008, 01:40:10 pm
I went back and reread what I wrote after Jim followed up....I hope I didn't sound pretentious, I was/am curious about the transfer...FSU was a regional team last year, and am just wondering why the exodus of players
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: rjburke on February 13, 2008, 02:58:54 pm
The sudden departure of Coach McKnight and the uncertainty that caused concerning the direction of the program motivated the transfer from an otherwise great situation. Several schools were in play, but with Coach Ioviero's interest and the great support of the athletic program by the Kean administration (and being so much closer to home didn't hurt), there really was no reason to go anywhere else. So far, it has worked out terrifically; accademically, athletically, and socially. Now, hopefully, we can repeat!
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 13, 2008, 04:40:53 pm
The sudden departure of Coach McKnight and the uncertainty that caused concerning the direction of the program motivated the transfer from an otherwise great situation. Several schools were in play, but with Coach Ioviero's interest and the great support of the athletic program by the Kean administration (and being so much closer to home didn't hurt), there really was no reason to go anywhere else. So far, it has worked out terrifically; accademically, athletically, and socially. Now, hopefully, we can repeat!

Now that is the hard part.  D-III baseball has the longest streak of any NCAA sport without having a repeat champion.  You have to go back to 1978-1979 when Glassboro State (now Rowan) did it.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Drew07 on February 13, 2008, 06:32:51 pm
Might be a little bias because I come from New York but look for Richie Gomez (Pre-Season All American) from City College of New York to make a run. He batted .470 last year with 50 RBI.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 13, 2008, 07:57:54 pm
Might be a little bias because I come from New York but look for Richie Gomez (Pre-Season All American) from City College of New York to make a run. He batted .470 last year with 50 RBI.

Recognizing players from schools who are not regular playoff teams should help other schools in recruiting good players.    Of course nobody is picked for this purpose but it is just a nice unintended side effect.

3B Jack Walker, Concordia (Ill) also falls in this category.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: scuba16 on February 14, 2008, 12:43:10 pm


The utility position has historically gotten more credit where player of the year was concerned as well.

I remember when Joe Thomas won it as a junior, then his senior year was actually a little less overwhelming in any one area if you were around for all of it, but the total body of work was such that he won it again.
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Joe Thomas was a stud. I played against him in the 95 world series when I played for Cortland he played for Marietta. They beat us 11-10 and he had 3 rbi's. He was a big bastard that could rake. Chad Farmer started that game for Marietta, he was a 1st team All American and we knocked him out in the 4th inning! Tough game to lose.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Spence on February 15, 2008, 12:31:08 pm


The utility position has historically gotten more credit where player of the year was concerned as well.

I remember when Joe Thomas won it as a junior, then his senior year was actually a little less overwhelming in any one area if you were around for all of it, but the total body of work was such that he won it again.

Joe Thomas was a stud. I played against him in the 95 world series when I played for Cortland he played for Marietta. They beat us 11-10 and he had 3 rbi's. He was a big bastard that could rake. Chad Farmer started that game for Marietta, he was a 1st team All American and we knocked him out in the 4th inning! Tough game to lose.
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No arguments here. I think that was his junior year and that was an odd trip to the Series for us. Had that game against Cortland and the game against Carthage that we lost 11-7 and had a game tying grand slam robbed by a shortstop (only possible in a bandbox like old Salem Stadium).

Joe's senior year his offense was a little slower to come and just wasn't as good as the year before (though still very good), but he had a better year as the #2 pitcher and the total body of work earned him the POY again.

Thomas was definitely a great player and I and surely the MC baseball fraternity wish him great success as a coach.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Jim Dixon on February 15, 2008, 12:43:44 pm
No arguments here. I think that was his junior year and that was an odd trip to the Series for us. Had that game against Cortland and the game against Carthage that we lost 11-7 and had a game tying grand slam robbed by a shortstop (only possible in a bandbox like old Salem Stadium).

Thomas was definitely a great player and I and surely the MC baseball fraternity wish him great success as a coach.

I have to agree about what is now Kiwanis field.  It was a great place to see a game if you like offense as there were numbers put up that will likely never be matched.   A bit of history is that the seats were old yankee stadium seats so if you want to set in seats folks saw Ruth, Gehrig play, Salem is one place to go. 

I missed this where did Thomas get a coaching position?
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: BigPoppa on February 15, 2008, 12:49:20 pm


The utility position has historically gotten more credit where player of the year was concerned as well.

I remember when Joe Thomas won it as a junior, then his senior year was actually a little less overwhelming in any one area if you were around for all of it, but the total body of work was such that he won it again.

Joe Thomas was a stud. I played against him in the 95 world series when I played for Cortland he played for Marietta. They beat us 11-10 and he had 3 rbi's. He was a big bastard that could rake. Chad Farmer started that game for Marietta, he was a 1st team All American and we knocked him out in the 4th inning! Tough game to lose.

No arguments here. I think that was his junior year and that was an odd trip to the Series for us. Had that game against Cortland and the game against Carthage that we lost 11-7 and had a game tying grand slam robbed by a shortstop (only possible in a bandbox like old Salem Stadium).

Joe's senior year his offense was a little slower to come and just wasn't as good as the year before (though still very good), but he had a better year as the #2 pitcher and the total body of work earned him the POY again.

Thomas was definitely a great player and I and surely the MC baseball fraternity wish him great success as a coach.
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I played against Thomas that day for Carthage. He was a scary hitter.
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Spence on February 15, 2008, 01:20:00 pm
No arguments here. I think that was his junior year and that was an odd trip to the Series for us. Had that game against Cortland and the game against Carthage that we lost 11-7 and had a game tying grand slam robbed by a shortstop (only possible in a bandbox like old Salem Stadium).

Thomas was definitely a great player and I and surely the MC baseball fraternity wish him great success as a coach.

I have to agree about what is now Kiwanis field.  It was a great place to see a game if you like offense as there were numbers put up that will likely never be matched.   A bit of history is that the seats were old yankee stadium seats so if you want to set in seats folks saw Ruth, Gehrig play, Salem is one place to go. 

I missed this where did Thomas get a coaching position?

Joe's dabbled in coaching for a while and did some Frontier League coaching the last year or two. Here's his bio from Temple.

http://owlsports.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/thomas_joe00.html
Title: Re: BB: 2009 Player of the year candidates
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 27, 2008, 03:10:38 pm
We can continue discussing the 2009 Player of the Year on this board.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 Player of the year candidates
Post by: baseballbaseball on December 27, 2008, 03:32:25 pm
Speaking for the USA South Bailey from CNU  has to be a favorite
Title: Re: BB: 2009 Player of the year candidates
Post by: BaseballFan on January 01, 2009, 12:31:16 pm
In my eyes, the only person that could put POY numbers from the midwest would be Sean Claugherty of St. Scholastica. Put up great stats last year as a Sophomore, only thing that hurts him would be playing in colder climate and a big stadium
Title: Re: 2008 Player of the year
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 01, 2009, 01:01:10 pm
Might be a little bias because I come from New York but look for Richie Gomez (Pre-Season All American) from City College of New York to make a run. He batted .470 last year with 50 RBI.

Recognizing players from schools who are not regular playoff teams should help other schools in recruiting good players.    Of course nobody is picked for this purpose but it is just a nice unintended side effect.

3B Jack Walker, Concordia (Ill) also falls in this category.

In line with noticing players on teams not regularly (or EVER, in this case ;)) in the playoffs, keep an eye on Brian Kolb of Wheaton IL.  Last season, as a sophomore SS, he batted .527 (breaking the Thunder's all-time record by nearly .100), was 25 of 25 on stolen bases, and (crucial for a SS) fielded .988, with only 2 errors all season.  Understandably, he was POY in the CCIW.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 Player of the year candidates
Post by: RedDevils36 on January 14, 2009, 11:40:31 pm
Anthony D'Alphonso at USM can flat out rake.  I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit around .450 with 20+ home runs and 70+ RBI's. 

He hit .393 last year with 12 2B, 3 3B, 15 HR's, 62 RBI in 50 games.

Over the summer, he got signed by the Sanford Mainers in the NECBL and earned his way to a starting role.  He ended up hitting .426 with 4 2B and 2 HR, with 20 RBI in 20 games started, in a very strong pitching league playing with mostly D1 athletes.

He has drawn some attention from several MLB clubs as well.  His numbers in the wood-bat NECBL and his numbers in the LEC demonstrate that he can hit the best pitching as well. 
Title: Re: BB: 2009 Player of the year candidates
Post by: D3Lunatic on January 17, 2009, 11:10:50 pm
I will be acussed of favoring Hopkins, But i cannot not bring to light Todd Emr in this discussion.

Many do not realize that Emr is using his eligeability and staying with the BlueJays.

He led the nation in hits last year. And as we all saw, he tore up the CWS.

BlueJays should fare well in 09 and i wonder if the Top 25 poll realized that Youchak AND ALL AMERICAN EMR, are returning. As well as Chez Angeloni to lead the pitching staff.

I have Hopkins higher than 7. Give them the #3 spot.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 Player of the year candidates
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 26, 2009, 02:01:42 pm
Since he is on the preseason All-American team and he has won the SCAC Offensive POTY award for the last 2 seasons, Hunter Owen would have to be considered a candidate for the 2009 Player of the Year. 

As with many potential winners, it seems like Hunter's chances of winning will be tied to Millsaps making it to the D3 World Series.  I believe they will have an offense that is similar to the 2006 that was one out away from the WS, the question mark is will they have the pitching to get that far.
Title: Re: BB: 2009 Player of the year candidates
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 26, 2009, 03:40:56 pm
I will be acussed of favoring Hopkins, But i cannot not bring to light Todd Emr in this discussion.

Many do not realize that Emr is using his eligeability and staying with the BlueJays.

You can be accused of worse things....and I think you are right about people unaware of Emr's status (although the info that Emr was returning for a fourth season was forwarded to the voters for the Top 25).

By virtue of Todd Emr being listed as a senior last season, his name was not considered for the preseason All-American team.  By the time I learned that he was still in school for his final season it was too late to add his name to the ballot.  I expect that Emr would have easily made the team. 

He will certainly be one to watch in 2009 as a potential player of the year.
Title: Re: BB: Player of the Year Candidates
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 18, 2009, 05:52:20 am
Who are your Player of the Year Candidates for 2010?
Title: Re: BB: Player of the Year Candidates
Post by: tycobbb on December 27, 2009, 08:50:27 am
My Player of the Year is Kevin curtis..he was The Skyline player Of The Year.............