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Title: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: AlleyCat on May 29, 2008, 10:12:17 am
Does anyone have thoughts about D3 ball players that might get drafted next week?

Yacko - Chapman
Kiely - Trinity
Zongol - RPI
Zaccardo - Cortland
Kitchens - Chapman
Wolf - Ithaca
David  - McMurry
Booher - Texas- Tyler
Acevado - Carthage
Moreland - Christopher Newport
Kulik - Rowan


I know I've forgotten some, but please add to the list.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: tiger_fan2000 on May 29, 2008, 11:37:04 am
Bronson-Trinity Tx
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BigPoppa on May 29, 2008, 11:48:48 am
Both Kurt Yacko and Wayde Kitchens of Chapman are juniors. They may get selected in the draft, but if they do not leave early is Chapman the preseason #1 for 2009?
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on May 29, 2008, 12:10:41 pm
Big Poppa,
If Evan Bronson isn't drafted, Trinity, Tx returns nearly their entire starting lineup, (I think they lose only their catcher and maybe the 2B) 5 of whom were freshman and one, an All American, a sophomore.
Bronson is being heavily scouted with more than a few cross checkers heading to San Antonio.  He is just as effective as Yacko and/or Kitchens but in a very different way.  Like Yacko last summer, Bronson proved his ability in the Texas Collegiate league where he was an All star.
One run separated Chapman and that very young Trinity team earlier this month.  I fully agree Chapman will get the ranking early on based on national reputation but with those young Trinity guys all playing in tough summer leagues, they have the ability to be very much better next Spring than the one just completed.
With all of that said, a kid like Zimmerman being drafted from a DIII is the exception, not the rule.  His talent was also the true exception.
When MLB looks at a very top DIII junior, unless the player is truly a clear standout, the player is likely a round 10-20 pick.  That means he will get an offer in the $10,000 to $20,000 range and MLB likely won't be willing to offer the college scholarship plan. MLB knows the kids at DIII's are there for an education and signing them will be tough.  Most won't feel they can risk a pick in the first 20 rounds for someone who will return to school with the money involved and they aren't going to offer more money and/or the MLB scholarship plan in these situations.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: dukes on May 29, 2008, 12:15:11 pm
Both Kurt Yacko and Wayde Kitchens of Chapman are juniors. They may get selected in the draft, but if they do not leave early is Chapman the preseason #1 for 2009?

If they are juniors they will have a little more to bargain with if they do get selected. Ture that teams are hesitant at drafting a kid who wants to be in school. Thats the good thing about the D1 and Junior college kids...most of them dont care about school. :)

Kummet (RHP) from St. Scholastica I know was getting a lot of looks this year also, and has a good chance, but he is just a junior this past year as well. 
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on May 29, 2008, 12:26:19 pm
Both Kurt Yacko and Wayde Kitchens of Chapman are juniors. They may get selected in the draft, but if they do not leave early is Chapman the preseason #1 for 2009?

If they are juniors they will have a little more to bargain with if they do get selected.   

Absolutely right.  As a senior sign, they have no bargaining leverage.
But MLB knows that also and they will make the judgement as to whether Yacko and Kitchens and players of that type project into the first 10 rounds.
When you remember Devin Drag went in round 38 and has already been released by the Nationals, you recognize that results in DIII does not  equate with projection by an MLB scout.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: D3 Baseball Fan on May 29, 2008, 12:30:42 pm
I attended the New England regional championship game and would like to toss in my two cents for Trinity (CT) uber-utility man Chandler Barnard.  After watching this kid's bulldog mentality on the mound and then seeing him get three hits and 3 RBI at the plate (and oh yeah, he stole home too) there has got to be a place for some organization to take a chance on him with either a low-round pick or as a free agent.  

Long term Barnard probably projects better as a hitter than a pitcher, but regardless he is a talented baseball player with a skill set that scouts should have an interest in.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: AceInTheHole on May 29, 2008, 01:20:33 pm
I was at the CWS and i was not impressed by some of the names i've heard this year. After seeing Yacko i thought he was effective but not overpowering. I was no more impressed with his slider than righty stoper from Kean Brandon Aich's slider. Yet Yacko showed he was a great athlete and competitor and i think he will get drafted after senior year. I was dissapointed with kitchens and i am surprised he had the #s he had with his underdeveloped stuff. It seemed to me that Kitchens had poor control of a high 80s fastball and not much else. Has Yacko been coming in all season to save Kitchens from letting up runs and keeping his ERA down? I don't see Kitchens going to the next level.

Tim Kiely's poise and control impressed me most. I expected a little more in terms of velocity but his control of 2 plus pitches impressed me. I don't know about his experiences over the summer but he should be a sure 15 - 20 round draft pick after sr. year.

Hopkins startes Zacarria and tournament most oustanding player Angeloni impressed me with thier stuff despite having rather poor numbers. Zaccaria had great size and arm action to go along with his 14Ks - very impressive. Angeloni was very confident on the mound and had a great slider sinker combo. He showed some real good pop at times and proved to be a great competitor.

Only Hopkins and WW bats impressed me with next level talent. Emr from hopkins has great size and easy power. I was expecting a better performance from Fester who was returning from a knee injury this post season but i already know from his jr year and play in the Texas Collegiate League that he is one of the best DIII hitters in the country. Pietroforte from Hopkins showed a great and clutch arm in the postseason and has great tools.

Johnson and Zalnis were impressive bats for Whitewater. Johnson especially proved himself to be a next level talent as he was extemely coonfident at the plate.

Finally, i was most dissapointed with the lack of professional baseball scouts present to witness the top DIII teams compete...
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: dukes on May 29, 2008, 01:44:20 pm
Yeah, I was not at the WS but would have loved to see some of the kids throw. In some ways, why should a lot of scouts be there? For the guys they are interested in, they have probably already gotten the numbers and tool assessment they need. As great as it is, I dont think scouts really care about how clutch someone was at the D3 WS. It is an added bonus, but if they dont have the tools, it wont make it. I think the summer leagues are a good indication of talent and ability to play at the next level, especially for position players and hitters of D3. A pitcher may get drafted based on his velocity and bullpen session, but a hitter must prove he can compete with top pitching, and numbers in D3 dont always prove that. I mean honestly, if any kid hit 450 or 500 at a major d1, he would be a top 10 rounder, but in D3, it is common.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: OshDude on May 29, 2008, 02:15:53 pm
Does anyone have thoughts about D3 ball players that might get drafted next week?

Yacko - Chapman
Kiely - Trinity
Zongol - RPI
Zaccardo - Cortland
Kitchens - Chapman
Wolf - Ithaca
David  - McMurry
Booher - Texas- Tyler
Acevado - Carthage
Moreland - Christopher Newport
Kulik - Rowan

I know I've forgotten some, but please add to the list.
Robinson - St. Thomas
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BoomerIL on May 29, 2008, 02:22:47 pm
Ricky Angel  -  Illinois Wesleyan
Matt Aronson  -  Illinois Wesleyan
Ken Carroll  -  RPI
Frank Pfister  -  Emory
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: AceInTheHole on May 29, 2008, 02:41:42 pm
Fester - Johns Hopkins
Pietroforte - Johns Hopkins
Emr - Johns Hopkins
Zacarria - Johns Hopkins
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on May 29, 2008, 03:06:00 pm
For whatever it is worth, for all of New England and the mid Atlantic states, Baseball America only lists Kiely of Trinity and  Fester of JHU in their draft prospects coverage.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: chakote on May 30, 2008, 12:25:39 pm
I was at the CWS and i was not impressed by some of the names i've heard this year. After seeing Yacko i thought he was effective but not overpowering. I was no more impressed with his slider than righty stoper from Kean Brandon Aich's slider. Yet Yacko showed he was a great athlete and competitor and i think he will get drafted after senior year. I was dissapointed with kitchens and i am surprised he had the #s he had with his underdeveloped stuff. It seemed to me that Kitchens had poor control of a high 80s fastball and not much else. Has Yacko been coming in all season to save Kitchens from letting up runs and keeping his ERA down? I don't see Kitchens going to the next level.

Tim Kiely's poise and control impressed me most. I expected a little more in terms of velocity but his control of 2 plus pitches impressed me. I don't know about his experiences over the summer but he should be a sure 15 - 20 round draft pick after sr. year.

Hopkins startes Zacarria and tournament most oustanding player Angeloni impressed me with thier stuff despite having rather poor numbers. Zaccaria had great size and arm action to go along with his 14Ks - very impressive. Angeloni was very confident on the mound and had a great slider sinker combo. He showed some real good pop at times and proved to be a great competitor.

Only Hopkins and WW bats impressed me with next level talent. Emr from hopkins has great size and easy power. I was expecting a better performance from Fester who was returning from a knee injury this post season but i already know from his jr year and play in the Texas Collegiate League that he is one of the best DIII hitters in the country. Pietroforte from Hopkins showed a great and clutch arm in the postseason and has great tools.

Johnson and Zalnis were impressive bats for Whitewater. Johnson especially proved himself to be a next level talent as he was extemely coonfident at the plate.

Finally, i was most dissapointed with the lack of professional baseball scouts present to witness the top DIII teams compete...

Ace you are obviously a JHU alum or parent and your comments about these players are not justly deserved. i.e. Kitchens and Yacko, you haven't done your research and you are basing your comments on one game in the WS. if you did do your research you would have seen the number of complete games and hits per nine innings on the NCAA web site that is posted weekly, so before you can comment on any player besides the ones that you are a homer for do your homework!!
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 30, 2008, 05:02:08 pm
How about J D Rotzoll (Concordia-Chicago):

My justification comes from the following link:

http://www.northernathleticsconf.com/releases/2008_05/20080527c.html
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: John McGraw on May 30, 2008, 05:33:34 pm
I was at the CWS and i was not impressed by some of the names i've heard this year. After seeing Yacko i thought he was effective but not overpowering. I was no more impressed with his slider than righty stoper from Kean Brandon Aich's slider. Yet Yacko showed he was a great athlete and competitor and i think he will get drafted after senior year. I was dissapointed with kitchens and i am surprised he had the #s he had with his underdeveloped stuff. It seemed to me that Kitchens had poor control of a high 80s fastball and not much else. Has Yacko been coming in all season to save Kitchens from letting up runs and keeping his ERA down? I don't see Kitchens going to the next level.

Tim Kiely's poise and control impressed me most. I expected a little more in terms of velocity but his control of 2 plus pitches impressed me. I don't know about his experiences over the summer but he should be a sure 15 - 20 round draft pick after sr. year.

Hopkins startes Zacarria and tournament most oustanding player Angeloni impressed me with thier stuff despite having rather poor numbers. Zaccaria had great size and arm action to go along with his 14Ks - very impressive. Angeloni was very confident on the mound and had a great slider sinker combo. He showed some real good pop at times and proved to be a great competitor.

Only Hopkins and WW bats impressed me with next level talent. Emr from hopkins has great size and easy power. I was expecting a better performance from Fester who was returning from a knee injury this post season but i already know from his jr year and play in the Texas Collegiate League that he is one of the best DIII hitters in the country. Pietroforte from Hopkins showed a great and clutch arm in the postseason and has great tools.

Johnson and Zalnis were impressive bats for Whitewater. Johnson especially proved himself to be a next level talent as he was extemely coonfident at the plate.

Finally, i was most dissapointed with the lack of professional baseball scouts present to witness the top DIII teams compete...

Ace you are obviously a JHU alum or parent and your comments about these players are not justly deserved. i.e. Kitchens and Yacko, you haven't done your research and you are basing your comments on one game in the WS. if you did do your research you would have seen the number of complete games and hits per nine innings on the NCAA web site that is posted weekly, so before you can comment on any player besides the ones that you are a homer for do your homework!!

Check Ace In the Hole's registration e-mail (on his bio) and you can see that the name in his e-mail address is slightly similar to that of someone on the JHU roster. Not pointing anyone out in particular, just laying things out.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Falcon2720 on May 30, 2008, 07:03:02 pm
Chris Pecora, NCWC

He was drafted last year in the 33rd round by Seattle.  I am pretty sure he will get drafted again.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: A.G. on May 30, 2008, 08:06:47 pm
Matt Smith, NCWC, "possibly".  I only say possibly due to his slight frame.  Someone SHOULD take a late round flyer on him...b/c he can rake and fly.

Ronnie LaBrie, Lynchburg College, but as an outfielder.  Do not be surprised if he gets a day two nod, b/c he has the bat, the speed, and the arm.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on June 02, 2008, 01:17:59 pm
Baseball Amercia has Kurt Yacko listed as the 100th best prospect in California.
That would likely mean he could be selected any time from round 10 or after, which would make signing a tough decision, I would think.
Unless he says he would not sign, it is a pretty good chance he is going to hear his name called.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: gatekeper43 on June 02, 2008, 01:26:12 pm
Baseball Amercia has Kurt Yacko listed as the 100th best prospect in California.
That would likely mean he could be selected any time from round 10 or after, which would make signing a tough decision, I would think.
Unless he says he would not sign, it is a pretty good chance he is going to hear his name called.

infield dad what does that mean exactly when you say that anytime from round 10 or after?? is that lacking any good numbers monetarily or paying for his last year of school?? I know that he was saying that there were numerous teams scouting him, double digit nimbers. it would be a shame if he had to go for any number below the 100,000's range
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: dukes on June 02, 2008, 01:56:55 pm
If he is a late first day guy, rounds 10-20 it will make it a tough decision, but then chances are that team will be willing to play for his last year of schooling. I doubt he will be in the 100,000 range in those rounds. I think it would be nice to be in the 30-50k range with the last year of school paid for. He is able to bargain using his senior season as leverage, but the team that drafts him probably should and will know if he will be willing to sign for their amount and conditions, because they wont want to waste a first day pick if he will go back to school.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BoomerIL on June 02, 2008, 02:49:27 pm
In 2006, Joe Benson from Joliet Catholic High School outside of Chicago, signed as the #2 pick for the Minnesota Twins.  The #1 pick was Chris Parmalee.  Joe signed for around 560,000.  Joe is playing in Low A with the Beloit Snappers of the Midwest League.

A few years prior to that, Bo Flowers, another local player from Walter Lutheran signed as the 143rd or 144th pick with the Detroit Tigers.  He signed for approximately 130,000.  Bo was their for severla years tehn traded to the Cubs for approximate a year.  Quit the Cubs with college eligiblity still left and is a defensive back for the University of Illinois.

If Kurt Yacko goes in the 10th round or beyond, he should be happy to see 30-50K.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: bbnag101 on June 02, 2008, 02:55:14 pm
I was at the CWS and i was not impressed by some of the names i've heard this year. After seeing Yacko i thought he was effective but not overpowering. I was no more impressed with his slider than righty stoper from Kean Brandon Aich's slider. Yet Yacko showed he was a great athlete and competitor and i think he will get drafted after senior year. I was dissapointed with kitchens and i am surprised he had the #s he had with his underdeveloped stuff. It seemed to me that Kitchens had poor control of a high 80s fastball and not much else. Has Yacko been coming in all season to save Kitchens from letting up runs and keeping his ERA down? I don't see Kitchens going to the next level.

Tim Kiely's poise and control impressed me most. I expected a little more in terms of velocity but his control of 2 plus pitches impressed me. I don't know about his experiences over the summer but he should be a sure 15 - 20 round draft pick after sr. year.

Hopkins startes Zacarria and tournament most oustanding player Angeloni impressed me with thier stuff despite having rather poor numbers. Zaccaria had great size and arm action to go along with his 14Ks - very impressive. Angeloni was very confident on the mound and had a great slider sinker combo. He showed some real good pop at times and proved to be a great competitor.

Only Hopkins and WW bats impressed me with next level talent. Emr from hopkins has great size and easy power. I was expecting a better performance from Fester who was returning from a knee injury this post season but i already know from his jr year and play in the Texas Collegiate League that he is one of the best DIII hitters in the country. Pietroforte from Hopkins showed a great and clutch arm in the postseason and has great tools.

Johnson and Zalnis were impressive bats for Whitewater. Johnson especially proved himself to be a next level talent as he was extemely coonfident at the plate.

Finally, i was most dissapointed with the lack of professional baseball scouts present to witness the top DIII teams compete...

ACE - Hopkins does have some GREAT players and I'm sure that you are proud to be associated with them - but please research others before posting - READ BELOW

Quoted from “The Association of Division III Independents”

For the second year in a row, Kurt Yacko, a junior from Costa Mesa, CA, was named the player of the year after he hit .344 with 10 home runs and 47 runs batted in. Yacko also led all of Division III in earned-run average (0.57) and saves (15). He was 6-0 and had 71 strikeouts in 61 innings. Just yesterday, Yacko was named to the American Baseball Coaches Association/Rawlings All-America first team.

Wayde Kitchens, a junior right-hander from Oceanside, CA, was named the pitcher of the year after posting a 9-0 record with a 1.10 ERA and three shutouts. He also was named to the ABCA All-American first team. Despite missing most of the first six weeks of the season with a shoulder injury, Kitchens finished with a fury as he recorded 70 strikeouts in 73 1/3 innings and ranked in the top five in earned-run average. Kitchens finest moment came earlier in the season when he fanned a school-record 17 in a game against Dallas.

In regards to the scouts - It would of been nice if more were there.  But they have followed  a lot of these players all season long and have already "seen" what they wanted to see.  They were off watching DI and DII games since their season starts later than DIII.

Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on June 02, 2008, 04:16:43 pm
Baseball Amercia has Kurt Yacko listed as the 100th best prospect in California.
That would likely mean he could be selected any time from round 10 or after, which would make signing a tough decision, I would think.
Unless he says he would not sign, it is a pretty good chance he is going to hear his name called.

infield dad what does that mean exactly when you say that anytime from round 10 or after?? is that lacking any good numbers monetarily or paying for his last year of school?? I know that he was saying that there were numerous teams scouting him, double digit nimbers. it would be a shame if he had to go for any number below the 100,000's range

gatekeeper, it is very unlikely that there will be any offer in the $100,000's range if he is drafted after the 10th round.  MLB has issued more notices to teams this year about "slot" and staying within slot money
If he were to be picked between the 10th and 15th round, the numbers quoted of $30,000 to $50,000, for a junior,  would be pretty accurate based on prior years bonus reports on BA, and pitchers I know who have been drafted in the last two years in those rounds. 
The one variable is a team like the Yankees which is more than willing to overpay if they feel the player has big upside and they had the player slotted higher than they were selected. At least physically, Yacko doesn't have the size that allows for a lot more projectability of the type the Yankees  pay for in later rounds.
If you have been through the draft, you know nothing is exact, except for those in the first few rounds, and sometimes not even for them.
Today, there are players being told rounds 7-15 and they won't be picked.
There are scouts calling telling kids the round that team will pick them....and they won't.
You just hope for the best for players like Yacko and the other DIII guys.  Hope they get picked, by a good organization where they can compete and get opportunities, and that the money vs getting the degree is  in the proper perspective.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: dukes on June 02, 2008, 05:01:25 pm
Baseball Amercia has Kurt Yacko listed as the 100th best prospect in California.
That would likely mean he could be selected any time from round 10 or after, which would make signing a tough decision, I would think.
Unless he says he would not sign, it is a pretty good chance he is going to hear his name called.

infield dad what does that mean exactly when you say that anytime from round 10 or after?? is that lacking any good numbers monetarily or paying for his last year of school?? I know that he was saying that there were numerous teams scouting him, double digit nimbers. it would be a shame if he had to go for any number below the 100,000's range

gatekeeper, it is very unlikely that there will be any offer in the $100,000's range if he is drafted after the 10th round.  MLB has issued more notices to teams this year about "slot" and staying within slot money
If he were to be picked between the 10th and 15th round, the numbers quoted of $30,000 to $50,000, for a junior,  would be pretty accurate based on prior years bonus reports on BA, and pitchers I know who have been drafted in the last two years in those rounds. 
The one variable is a team like the Yankees which is more than willing to overpay if they feel the player has big upside and they had the player slotted higher than they were selected. At least physically, Yacko doesn't have the size that allows for a lot more projectability of the type the Yankees  pay for in later rounds.
If you have been through the draft, you know nothing is exact, except for those in the first few rounds, and sometimes not even for them.
Today, there are players being told rounds 7-15 and they won't be picked.
There are scouts calling telling kids the round that team will pick them....and they won't.
You just hope for the best for players like Yacko and the other DIII guys.  Hope they get picked, by a good organization where they can compete and get opportunities, and that the money vs getting the degree is  in the proper perspective.

I would agree with the fact that the draft changes a lot from what the scouts tell a player/coach, and would add it is probably even more so for a junior from a D3 who has college eligibility left. So he may be a 10-15 round guy, but if he starts falling a team may not think he will sign for less, if he were slotted in the 20-25 rounds so they may not use a pick with the fear that it would be wasted if he went back to school. I wish more teams would draft and follow so a kid like Yacko could be drafted at say round 15....then if he didnt like the offer would have the option of playing the senior season at college and then possibly sign with the team. They seem to do it a lot more often for junior college players.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on June 02, 2008, 05:23:50 pm
dukes, MLB did away with the draft and follow beginning with the 2007 draft.  If you are drafted, you either sign by August 15 or go to school.  This is now true for the JC players also.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: dukes on June 02, 2008, 05:29:43 pm
dukes, MLB did away with the draft and follow beginning with the 2007 draft.  If you are drafted, you either sign by August 15 or go to school.  This is now true for the JC players also.

Thank you, I did not know that. I used to see it a lot, and then no more and I guess I havent been following the draft as much in the last year. I kind of liked the draft and follow, but I think it was geared mostly to draft the high school kids, send him to a JC to see how he does, and then decide. But anyway, Thanks for the info!!
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BigPoppa on June 02, 2008, 06:15:56 pm
dukes, MLB did away with the draft and follow beginning with the 2007 draft.  If you are drafted, you either sign by August 15 or go to school.  This is now true for the JC players also.

Thank you, I did not know that. I used to see it a lot, and then no more and I guess I havent been following the draft as much in the last year. I kind of liked the draft and follow, but I think it was geared mostly to draft the high school kids, send him to a JC to see how he does, and then decide. But anyway, Thanks for the info!!

Draft and follow was specifically for kids who enrolled in a JC. Once they enrolled in a four-year institution and started classes, their rights were no longer held by the drafting team. It only applied to students at two-year institutions.

The loss of the draft and follow has hurt the JC programs a bit as those drafted players that were previously steered towards a JC are now enrolling in four-year institutions (not all, but many). So still choose the JC route for one or two more years of strength and polishing where as the four-year players must wait at least three years to re-enter the draft.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 02, 2008, 06:40:18 pm
As to the IWU draft candidates (Angel and Aronson), I stress that I have no insider info.  Since Angel is graduating, and was first-team all-CCIW all four years and last year was conference POY and first team AA, it would not surprise me if he was a late-round selection, and would almost certainly get some free agent invites (unless he has made it clear he plans to 'get on with his life'; I have no knowledge on that).  Ricky's stats tailed off a bit this year (could you really expect his slugging % to lead a good conference by a ridiculous 300+ points AGAIN!), but Big Poppa will probably still have nightmares for at least three seasons after he graduates! ;D

I would seriously doubt that Aronson, a junior, will be drafted, for two reasons.  After a freakish year last year, he tailed off a bit and was not even IWU's best pitcher this year (though still pretty darn good!).  And after what happened when Cory Lapinski left early in 2005 (conference POY [not 'pitcher', but 'player']; he is now already out of baseball), I doubt any Titan will leave early in the foreseeable future! ;)
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BoomerIL on June 02, 2008, 07:30:19 pm
Mr. Ypsi.....

True when you speak about going to a school like IWU.  You really don't expect to leave before your four years are up, or to get drafted.  I did notice as you did that Angel did start out slow this season.  I also heard that Aronson's performance wasn't as good as last year because of maybe some arm soreness.  Did you hear any of this?
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 02, 2008, 08:14:56 pm
From the preseason Baseball Anmerica ISSUE

TOP PROSPECTS, 2008 DRAFT
1. Blake Booher, rhp, Texas-Tyler
2. Garrett Nix, rhp, Wisconsin-Stevens Point
3. Drew Mandelblatt, of, Pomona Pitzer (Calif.)
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 03, 2008, 12:02:24 am
Boomer,

I didn't hear any such stories (but as I said, I'm not an insider).  My take is that his sophomre year was just magic (a 0.40 era at the end of the regular season! ::) :o); his junior year was very good, but no one could expect that sort of stuff to be replicated. ;)
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: gatekeper43 on June 03, 2008, 11:42:16 am
Baseball Amercia has Kurt Yacko listed as the 100th best prospect in California.
That would likely mean he could be selected any time from round 10 or after, which would make signing a tough decision, I would think.
Unless he says he would not sign, it is a pretty good chance he is going to hear his name called.

infield dad what does that mean exactly when you say that anytime from round 10 or after?? is that lacking any good numbers monetarily or paying for his last year of school?? I know that he was saying that there were numerous teams scouting him, double digit nimbers. it would be a shame if he had to go for any number below the 100,000's range

gatekeeper, it is very unlikely that there will be any offer in the $100,000's range if he is drafted after the 10th round.  MLB has issued more notices to teams this year about "slot" and staying within slot money
If he were to be picked between the 10th and 15th round, the numbers quoted of $30,000 to $50,000, for a junior,  would be pretty accurate based on prior years bonus reports on BA, and pitchers I know who have been drafted in the last two years in those rounds. 
The one variable is a team like the Yankees which is more than willing to overpay if they feel the player has big upside and they had the player slotted higher than they were selected. At least physically, Yacko doesn't have the size that allows for a lot more projectability of the type the Yankees  pay for in later rounds.
If you have been through the draft, you know nothing is exact, except for those in the first few rounds, and sometimes not even for them.
Today, there are players being told rounds 7-15 and they won't be picked.
There are scouts calling telling kids the round that team will pick them....and they won't.
You just hope for the best for players like Yacko and the other DIII guys.  Hope they get picked, by a good organization where they can compete and get opportunities, and that the money vs getting the degree is  in the proper perspective.

infield dad, thanks for the heads up!! it really helps to hear it from someone that has been there. another question for you though? I have heard it from several sources regarding the draft and if the kids don't sign when they are offered a contract that it takes them out of the system and off the radar of the scouts that followed them all year, is this accurate? Also what if the scouts have not been contacting you. What are the chances of a kid being drafted? Then the all important issue of a sr. loosing his bargining power if they do not get drafted as a jr.?
 I know as a parent that it is more important for me to make sure that my kid gets his education, that baseball is an opportunity that may only last one season, but what a dream for a kid that has his sights set on playing in the big show!! I know that as a kid they can't see past tomorrow and how invincble and idealistic they are but as a parent looking at the big picture and years of the grinding it out at the grindstone how one outweighs the other. But the dream is also a very strong aphrodisiac and money the other motive that we all strive for. We all wish the best for our kids and we work so hard so they have it a little easier than we did, but it also kind of scares me to wonder if they don't take the carrot when offered is that going to put a wrench in the spokes for the future of there career. Plus the instruction at the next level, so they sign for the better coaching they will get playing at the next level?
I know that I am just rambling on here so I will cut it short but I appreciate any and all the insight that comes from the mentors that have came before us. once again infield dad thanks you for your informative comments on these issues. :)
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on June 03, 2008, 12:49:40 pm
gatekeeper,
While failing to sign after being drafted as a junior might mean you will not be redrafted by the same club, it certainly does not mean a player will not be selected as a senior by another club.  If that player returns for his senior year and puts up very good numbers, either similar to or better than those which got him drafted as a junior, he is pretty likely to be drafted. I know two pitchers who failed to sign last summer after being drafted who did very well this Spring and are getting far more interest now than last summer both in terms of teams and projected rounds for the draft. In fact, a club can draft a player in two consecutive drafts but needs to get an agreement from the player if they cannot sign him following the first draft. So, it isn't correct that you won't get drafted if you fail to sign as a junior.
What is true is that he will have little to no leverage as a senior sign when it comes to money.
In my personal view, though, for other than the top 2-3 rounds, no player should be looking at this for the money, and the dream should not get too much in the way of reality.  Money is only made when you are a top draft pick, get to MLB or complete 6 years of Milb, can still play and can negotiate a decent free agent contract with a AAA team.
Players in Milb make from $1,300 to $2,200 per month, during the season from April to August.  That is the extent of their income from baseball during the 6 years they are under contract to the first team that drafts and signs them.
Players in Milb compete because they absolutely love the game, have a passion to compete and get better, and because they force the team to promote them before the team concludes they can be replaced and releases them. Players in Milb play every single day knowing they can be released and be done tomorrow. They see it happen everyday, to very good players.
Bottom line:  about 90% or so of the 1,500 players picked in the next two days are not going to get enough money for it to be meaningful in their choices of what to do in terms of college vs signing.  If you are junior and don't sign, you can get drafted the following year, but you do need to continue to show you can play and demonstrate the skills that got you drafted in the first place.
For those college juniors who do get the choice to sign following the draft or return and finish their eligibility, they need to know that Milb is a business.  If you are picked anywhere from round 15 and after, you need to "earn" playing time and prove you can play, and you won't get many chances to do so in many organizations.  If you fail to do so, your organization will have 2-3 players competing for your spot and will have no qualms releasing you.
Our son was a 25th round pick in 2004.  Of the second day picks in his organization, only he and the 19th round pick are still in Milb. Most of those picked on day 2 in 2004 were released by the end of  2005.
In my view, especially for DIII players in top programs who are drafted as juniors after the 10th round, it would be a very, very tough choice to accept the type of money that might be available and give up graduating on time and having that last year of college competition.
Milb is such a singular experience as contrasted with the team experience of college baseball. It can be very gratifying to prove you can play, and succeed,  with the best.  For our son, he got into a number of MLB Spring Training games, got AB's against Randy Johnson in Spring Training, and caused a bit of a stir when he was the only DIII player who competed in the MWL All Star Game in June of 2005. He competed quite well.
 But, in retrospect, he loved his senior year in college when he completed his degree in 4 years,  where they won the SCAC tournament, played in the championship game of the West Regional, and he had the opportunity to compete with the Newport Gulls of the NECBL, one of the very top summer wood bat league teams anywhere, including the Cape and Northwoods leagues.
In a sense, he got the best of both, but I would not suggest his experience or our values would be right for everyone.
There are monetary amounts in bonus money that make the decision worthwhile, but those amounts will be available to very, very few DIII players, in my view.  When you consider how little money is available in Milb for most players and also realize it is truly a business where you can be finished tomorrow, it is easier, in retrospect,  to see the value of completing your education and having those types of team experiences that Milb cannot/does not provide.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: gatekeper43 on June 03, 2008, 04:10:54 pm


WOW thanks infieldad!!! sometimes we forget that is what it is all about instead of $$$$'s. I guess that it is slammed into our heads from the ESPNer's and the Fox Sports shows. I do know that my main focus is getting my son his diploma and that anything after that is icing on the cake. Not that he shouldn't have lofty goals and reach for the sky, because like the old axiom says the sky's the limit and nothing is out of reach as long as you strive for the moon!! my kid is playing in the NECBL this summer and will no doubt get some great instruction plus have the time of his life. Who knows hopefully it leads to something bigger and better for his career. thanks for everything infieldad ....
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on June 03, 2008, 06:07:48 pm
More from BA draft projections:
LHP Shane Wolf from Ithaca;
Michael Zannardo a catcher from Cortland St;
Adam Frost a shortstop from St Norbert.
While BA isn't complete yet, there just are not very many DIII's in their draft analysis. 
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 03, 2008, 06:37:17 pm
Mike Zaccardo did not have a all-american season but has been steady as the Red Dragons backstop.  I agree that he has a shot of being drafted. After all with out a catcher you have a lot of pass balls.


More from BA draft projections:
LHP Shane Wolf from Ithaca;
Michael Zannardo a catcher from Cortland St;
Adam Frost a shortstop from St Norbert.
While BA isn't complete yet, there just are not very many DIII's in their draft analysis. 
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on June 03, 2008, 06:59:59 pm
gatekeeper,
I think I found your son in the NECBL.  He is a very, very good pitcher and should have a summer where he is challenged, but where he should also get very good visibility to scouts.
The other thing he will get is tired. 
The NECBL operates just like Milb.
 Play a 7pm game and then have a bus ride if you are the visitor, sometimes long busrides of up to 5-6 hours, get in around 3am and back at it the next day. Do that for 42 games in about 50 or so days and you get plenty fatigued.
Hope you can get to New England and watch some games.  If you can, Newport's Cardines field is a must.  Oldest park in the US, (a flagpole in CF) big crowds of about 2,500 per night, and terrific ownership.  You can sit in right field(I mean almost in right field) on the patio of  a local  pub and watch the games.  Of course I never did that???? ::)
North Adams, Keene, Vermont and Sanford are also wonderful environments for a night of college baseball.
Hope he has a great summer, if he doesn't get drafted in the next two days.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: gatekeper43 on June 03, 2008, 09:55:02 pm
gatekeeper,
I think I found your son in the NECBL.  He is a very, very good pitcher and should have a summer where he is challenged, but where he should also get very good visibility to scouts.
The other thing he will get is tired. 
The NECBL operates just like Milb.
 Play a 7pm game and then have a bus ride if you are the visitor, sometimes long busrides of up to 5-6 hours, get in around 3am and back at it the next day. Do that for 42 games in about 50 or so days and you get plenty fatigued.
Hope you can get to New England and watch some games.  If you can, Newport's Cardines field is a must.  Oldest park in the US, (a flagpole in CF) big crowds of about 2,500 per night, and terrific ownership.  You can sit in right field(I mean almost in right field) on the patio of  a local  pub and watch the games.  Of course I never did that???? ::)
North Adams, Keene, Vermont and Sanford are also wonderful environments for a night of college baseball.
Hope he has a great summer, if he doesn't get drafted in the next two days.

I guess that it would be wishful thinking to be able to make it to any games this summer, although I do remember when he was on a traveling team he played a tournament in Oneata NY at Oneata College, that was the year that Dave Winfield and Kirby Pukett along with Mazerowski (sp) were inducted to the hall of fame. He played at the minor league park there and I can't recall the name of the field but it was where Babe Ruth played.
 It was a beautiful field and what a great place for baseball. We stayed right behind the old timers field in Cooperstown. I am hopeful that he gets a chance to get more indepth instruction from a different set of coaches, my wife mentioned to me that once he gets there and gets settled in all should be fine.
 I do appreciate the insight from a fresh perspective. I want to thank you for your help and that if we were able to get some advice like this when he was in high school I think that he might be a little farther a long in his devolpment maybe.
GK :)
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Rick Vaughn on June 04, 2008, 10:32:38 am
If you can, Newport's Cardines field is a must.  Oldest park in the US, (a flagpole in CF) big crowds of about 2,500 per night, and terrific ownership.  You can sit in right field(I mean almost in right field) on the patio of  a local  pub and watch the games.  Of course I never did that???? ::)

Don't forget that both dugouts are the first base side.  Right on the water as well.  Very quirky park, but fun.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: scuba16 on June 04, 2008, 12:01:32 pm
gatekeeper,
I think I found your son in the NECBL.  He is a very, very good pitcher and should have a summer where he is challenged, but where he should also get very good visibility to scouts.
The other thing he will get is tired. 
The NECBL operates just like Milb.
 Play a 7pm game and then have a bus ride if you are the visitor, sometimes long busrides of up to 5-6 hours, get in around 3am and back at it the next day. Do that for 42 games in about 50 or so days and you get plenty fatigued.
Hope you can get to New England and watch some games.  If you can, Newport's Cardines field is a must.  Oldest park in the US, (a flagpole in CF) big crowds of about 2,500 per night, and terrific ownership.  You can sit in right field(I mean almost in right field) on the patio of  a local  pub and watch the games.  Of course I never did that???? ::)
North Adams, Keene, Vermont and Sanford are also wonderful environments for a night of college baseball.
Hope he has a great summer, if he doesn't get drafted in the next two days.

I guess that it would be wishful thinking to be able to make it to any games this summer, although I do remember when he was on a traveling team he played a tournament in Oneata NY at Oneata College, that was the year that Dave Winfield and Kirby Pukett along with Mazerowski (sp) were inducted to the hall of fame. He played at the minor league park there and I can't recall the name of the field but it was where Babe Ruth played.
 It was a beautiful field and what a great place for baseball. We stayed right behind the old timers field in Cooperstown. I am hopeful that he gets a chance to get more indepth instruction from a different set of coaches, my wife mentioned to me that once he gets there and gets settled in all should be fine.
 I do appreciate the insight from a fresh perspective. I want to thank you for your help and that if we were able to get some advice like this when he was in high school I think that he might be a little farther a long in his devolpment maybe.
GK :)

Damaschke field, Oneonta NY is the field you are thinking of!
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: gatekeper43 on June 04, 2008, 12:40:41 pm
gatekeeper,
I think I found your son in the NECBL.  He is a very, very good pitcher and should have a summer where he is challenged, but where he should also get very good visibility to scouts.
The other thing he will get is tired. 
The NECBL operates just like Milb.
 Play a 7pm game and then have a bus ride if you are the visitor, sometimes long busrides of up to 5-6 hours, get in around 3am and back at it the next day. Do that for 42 games in about 50 or so days and you get plenty fatigued.
Hope you can get to New England and watch some games.  If you can, Newport's Cardines field is a must.  Oldest park in the US, (a flagpole in CF) big crowds of about 2,500 per night, and terrific ownership.  You can sit in right field(I mean almost in right field) on the patio of  a local  pub and watch the games.  Of course I never did that???? ::)
North Adams, Keene, Vermont and Sanford are also wonderful environments for a night of college baseball.
Hope he has a great summer, if he doesn't get drafted in the next two days.

I guess that it would be wishful thinking to be able to make it to any games this summer, although I do remember when he was on a traveling team he played a tournament in Oneata NY at Oneata College, that was the year that Dave Winfield and Kirby Pukett along with Mazerowski (sp) were inducted to the hall of fame. He played at the minor league park there and I can't recall the name of the field but it was where Babe Ruth played.
 It was a beautiful field and what a great place for baseball. We stayed right behind the old timers field in Cooperstown. I am hopeful that he gets a chance to get more indepth instruction from a different set of coaches, my wife mentioned to me that once he gets there and gets settled in all should be fine.
 I do appreciate the insight from a fresh perspective. I want to thank you for your help and that if we were able to get some advice like this when he was in high school I think that he might be a little farther a long in his devolpment maybe.
GK :)

Damaschke field, Oneonta NY is the field you are thinking of!

I knew that I didn't spell it right, but still what a great facility. Just the ambiance and the deep baseball tradition of the whole area. It seems that every kid should be able to experience that at least once before they become adults, I know that will always be apart of my sons memories and that he will be able to pass that on to his kids.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: LargeTuna21 on June 04, 2008, 02:48:17 pm
While there may be many good prospects this year in D3 baseball, I think Bronson (Trinity, TX) might be the first one taken. Clearly I am biased having played with him, but he has a number of things going for him.

For one, his stats from his last 2 years (Soph and Junior) are very impressive. This year he was 9-3 with a 2.28 ERA, not to mention having 102 K's in only 82 IP. What's more impressive is that he had 102 k's to only 19 BBs. He has impeccable control with 3 pitches.

Another thing that he has going for him is that he is a LHP who has hit 90 MPH on the gun and frequenty sits at 85-88 in games. As a LHP those are impressive readings from a kid that has proved he can mix pitches and hit his spots.

I wish all the D3 kids the best. In the last 5 years I have seen many D3 kids get drafted and it is always nice when they can get into the minors and represent and prove that we weren't all a bunch of medicore athletes at the D3 level.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: dukes on June 04, 2008, 03:27:11 pm
While there may be many good prospects this year in D3 baseball, I think Bronson (Trinity, TX) might be the first one taken. Clearly I am biased having played with him, but he has a number of things going for him.

For one, his stats from his last 2 years (Soph and Junior) are very impressive. This year he was 9-3 with a 2.28 ERA, not to mention having 102 K's in only 82 IP. What's more impressive is that he had 102 k's to only 19 BBs. He has impeccable control with 3 pitches.

Another thing that he has going for him is that he is a LHP who has hit 90 MPH on the gun and frequenty sits at 85-88 in games. As a LHP those are impressive readings from a kid that has proved he can mix pitches and hit his spots.

I wish all the D3 kids the best. In the last 5 years I have seen many D3 kids get drafted and it is always nice when they can get into the minors and represent and prove that we weren't all a bunch of medicore athletes at the D3 level.

Tuna, I wish your boy the best, but a few things that you think are really important really are trivial. He will not get drafted because he struck out 102 and only walked 19 or because he can throw three pitches for strikes. He will get drafted because he is a lefty, with some velocity (although...there is a LARGE difference between hitting 90 on a gun, and consistently being there.) The velocity range of 85-88 will make a big difference, but also will his physical statue. Listed at 6'3 wont hurt. Regarding his three pitches, their is a difference between 3 pitches with control and 3 plus pitches. Also, has he played against any high level competition and how has he faired? He very well may be the highest selection and no doubt is a good pitcher, but stats dont tell the whole story, especially at d3. And from his stats, I dont even know if he was the best pitcher on that team.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: bbnag101 on June 04, 2008, 03:39:59 pm
GOOD LUCK TO ALL D3 PLAYERS IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS!!!!!! Some players will be very excited and then there will be some with broken hearts.  All of these kids (young men) will have GREAT STATS, but only a select few will be able to continue.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on June 04, 2008, 04:08:25 pm
dukes,
All of your comments on the stats from the DIII are quite accurate, in my view.
But LargeTuna is also right in classifying the kid as a propect.
Evan Bronson is a very legitimate pro prospect.
Last summer he was placed in the Texas Collegiate League, which is right at the top in terms of quality.  Evan was extremely successful and was selected to pitch in their All Star game.
This Spring, he has had many scouts travel the I35 corridor to San Antonio to watch him.  He has also had more than a few cross-checkers watch him.
Whether he would be drafted as a junior is a very hard question? 
Our son has seen Evan a number of times and says he could compete very effectively in Milb with his current velocity, command  and ability to pitch.
With 2-3 mph in velocity, our son feels he has a chance to do extremely well in professional baseball at very high levels.
Whether it is this year or next, Bronson surely is a professional prospect.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: ecfaninri on June 04, 2008, 04:35:44 pm
If you can, Newport's Cardines field is a must.  Oldest park in the US, (a flagpole in CF) big crowds of about 2,500 per night, and terrific ownership.  You can sit in right field(I mean almost in right field) on the patio of  a local  pub and watch the games.  Of course I never did that???? ::)

Don't forget that both dugouts are the first base side.  Right on the water as well.  Very quirky park, but fun.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: ecfaninri on June 04, 2008, 08:25:16 pm
Cardines Field is a great venue. Neighborhood field, right on top of the field. Dugouts on the same side. Yes - the Mudville Pub located in the right field corner. The Gulls do it right. They draw well because of the captive audience in Newport. It beats driving to the Cape, McCoy Stadium, or even Fenway.  Interested in seeing the NECBL this summer and seeing how some of the D-3 players shape up in this league.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: LCasid on June 04, 2008, 09:04:02 pm
Ronnie LaBrie from Lynchburg has a chance. Coach Abell has received calls from teams interested in him and he had a pre-draft workout thing that went well...
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BIGTRAIN82 on June 05, 2008, 12:21:49 am
This kid can really hit. A big fella, 6'4" tall who has speed, plays catcher and first base.
His numbers are great.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: mr_b on June 05, 2008, 09:28:19 am
Here is the MLB Draft tracker site:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2008/drafttracker.jsp (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2008/drafttracker.jsp)

It's searchable by name, school, home state/country, and position.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: killerdude on June 05, 2008, 03:15:09 pm
Def agree that there are so many potential players out there this year....but some players go unnoticed that should get some recognition and could potentially have a shot at playing ball at the next level

--Matt Smith(NCWC)---small frame, but can run and hit for power
--Kenny Moreland(CNU)---tremendous ability to get hitters out; walk to strikeout ratio is very good
--Kyle Robertson(NCWC)---6'4" RHP; very intelligent pitcher with command of all his pitches; small frame with room to expand with the right workout diligence

What does everyone think?...Who else is unnoticed?
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: A.G. on June 05, 2008, 03:47:17 pm
I will again, mention LaBrie.  The key with him is what position he projects defensively.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 05, 2008, 07:48:01 pm
More D-III players will sign free agent contracts than get drafted.  With the draft limited to 50 rounds, there is lots of room for free agent signings.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: mr_b on June 05, 2008, 08:01:38 pm
If you look at the Draft Tracker, you see relatively few DIII players listed as potential picks -- most are high school and DI prospects.  Of course, that's just one group's opinion of who is likely to get drafted.  I agree with Jim that a number of DIII players will sign as free agents after the draft.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: bbnag101 on June 05, 2008, 08:33:51 pm
More D-III players will sign free agent contracts than get drafted.  With the draft limited to 50 rounds, there is lots of room for free agent signings.

How does being a free agent work?  Do they get any of the same benefits as if you are drafted  ie.. signing bonus, if Jr., possible help with college tuition, same monthly salary? 
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 05, 2008, 09:14:56 pm
No players drafted on the first day :)

Free agents can negotiate their own contract.  If fact you have greater freedom since you can negotiate with all teams, not just one.  Of course if a team thought you were on their top 50 players they can get, you would have been drafted.

No player has to sign a contract.  If the deal is not acceptable, you dont sign.  It really is the same for any of us.  All jobs I have had I applied knowing the pay was acceptable or was able to negotiate a higher rate.
Title: MLB Draft
Post by: BigPoppa on June 06, 2008, 11:50:34 am
Kurt Yacko to the Colorado rockies in the 8th round. Congrats, Kurt. You are a great kid with a bright future.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2008, 11:54:02 am
Kulik and Yacko go in the eighth round, 12 picks apart.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Knightstalker on June 06, 2008, 11:55:32 am
First D3 player taken is from the NJAC. 
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Just Bill on June 06, 2008, 12:01:19 pm
Yacko was the #1 overall pick among players whose last name starts with a Y.  Congrats!
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BigPoppa on June 06, 2008, 12:03:56 pm
Yacko was the #1 overall pick among players whose last name starts with a Y.  Congrats!

HA!!!!!!!! Surprising as most of us had him as the #3 Name-starts-with-a-Y prospect.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 06, 2008, 12:14:23 pm
Can't believe Sergei Yakutsk has fallen this far.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Just Bill on June 06, 2008, 12:17:29 pm
I, X and U are still looking for their first selection.  My money is on I to break the drought first. (Hey! That's grammatically correct in this case.)
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 06, 2008, 12:39:09 pm
I, X and U are still looking for their first selection.  My money is on I to break the drought first. (Hey! That's grammatically correct in this case.)

You mean alphabetically?  draft complete through 13 with only 2 D-III players.

Any transfers to a D-I scholol get drafted?  Those are harder to spot.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BaseballFan on June 06, 2008, 01:27:07 pm
Frank Pfister of Emory drafted in the 17th round
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: gordonmann on June 06, 2008, 02:12:32 pm
Adam Frost (St. Norbert) is taken with the 473rd pick (21st Round) by Detroit.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on June 06, 2008, 02:28:52 pm
Chuck Huggins, a lefty who transfered after his sophomore year from Trinity, Tx, to DI UCSB was just picked in round 23 by the Blue Jays.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Lefty on June 06, 2008, 03:05:35 pm
Nelson Gomez  (Junior @ Keystone College) was taken in the 24th round (738th overall) by the Arizona Diamondbacks.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 06, 2008, 03:19:52 pm
245. Ryan Kulik, Rowan by St Louis (round 8)
257. Kurt Yacko, Chapman by Colorado (8)

The others drafted through round 27:

506. Frank Pfister, Emory by Cincinnati (17)
643. Adan Frost, St, Norbert by Detroit (21)
738. Nelson Gomez, Keystone by Arizona (24)
782. Shane Wolf, Ithaca by Houston (26)
829. Tm Kiely, Trinity (Conn) by Arizona (27)

and the transfer:
699. Chick Huggins, UCSB by Toronto (23) - played at Trinty (Texas)
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: indian4life on June 06, 2008, 04:45:23 pm
245. Ryan Kulik, Rowan by St Louis (round 8)
257. Kurt Yacko, Chapman by Colorado (8)

The others drafted through round 27:

506. Frank Pfister, Emory by Cincinnati (17)
643. Adan Frost, St, Norbert by Detroit (21)
738. Nelson Gomez, Keystone by Arizona (24)
782. Shane Wolf, Ithaca by Houston (26)
829. Tm Kiely, Trinity (Conn) by Arizona (27)

and the transfer:
699. Chick Huggins, UCSB by Toronto (23) - played at Trinty (Texas)

1058 Vass, Chapman by Mil
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: OshDude on June 06, 2008, 04:50:23 pm
245. Ryan Kulik, Rowan by St Louis (round 8)
257. Kurt Yacko, Chapman by Colorado (8)

The others drafted through round 27:

506. Frank Pfister, Emory by Cincinnati (17)
643. Adan Frost, St, Norbert by Detroit (21)
738. Nelson Gomez, Keystone by Arizona (24)
782. Shane Wolf, Ithaca by Houston (26)
829. Tm Kiely, Trinity (Conn) by Arizona (27)

and the transfer:
699. Chick Huggins, UCSB by Toronto (23) - played at Trinty (Texas)

1058 Vass, Chapman by Mil
1019. Bryan Gardner, Ithaca by Cincinnati
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: gatekeper43 on June 06, 2008, 04:54:42 pm
Chuck Huggins, a lefty who transfered after his sophomore year from Trinity, Tx, to DI UCSB was just picked in round 23 by the Blue Jays.

hey infieldad; question for you??? i have been reading some of the scouting reports on these kids and if you read them there are a lot of them that are saying big kid, rough, needs polishing, will be a good solid player with instruction, I don't get it??? from what i have seen the past 3 years in DIII that there are a bunch of kids that would put these kids to shame and none of them are given the time of day??? I don't get it what is it about MLB and DIII it is like they are treating our kids like they have the west nile virus or something, why won't they give them the time of day???
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Browneagle64 on June 06, 2008, 05:04:38 pm
Congratulations to SCIAC co-champ Kurt Yacko from Chapman U. and Mr. Vass who will be headin to the Colorado Rockies and Brewer's system sometime soon.
Although, I will never root for the Rockies in my Life, I am glad to see that Mr. Yacko will be joining Cal Lu's Jason Hirsh (former D3/ So. Cal Baseball players) in playing with the Big Boys in the Bigs. Hope to see these guys on the field sometime in the future against my Dodgers. 

From M.L.B.com

  http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/media/player/mp_tpl_3_1.jsp?w_id=702696&w=/2008/open/draft/broll/br_yacko_kurt_400.wmv&mid=200805302800131&pid=gen_video&vid=11071&cid=mlb&v=2           

Gotta Love the funky music that goes along with Yacko's highlight film.
 
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on June 06, 2008, 05:05:10 pm
Evan Bronson from Trinity University(TX.) to the  Brewers in the 36th round.
Looks like LargeTuna and some others provided reliable stuff.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: OshDude on June 06, 2008, 05:05:23 pm
The Brewers and Reds like the D-III guys this year. The Crew join the Reds in taking their second D-III guy, Evan Bronson from Trinity (TX) at 1088.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 06, 2008, 05:05:55 pm
Add Evan Bronson from Trinity (Texas) as drafted.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 06, 2008, 05:08:06 pm
I, X and U are still looking for their first selection.  My money is on I to break the drought first. (Hey! That's grammatically correct in this case.)

Brian Irving went 507. , X is still open but a host of folks now in the Y column

Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: OshDude on June 06, 2008, 05:11:54 pm
Yankees are the first to quit drafting, in the 36th round.

Wait, the NYY did not select in Rd. 36. How do they keep drafting in Rd. 37?
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on June 06, 2008, 05:16:19 pm
Chuck Huggins, a lefty who transfered after his sophomore year from Trinity, Tx, to DI UCSB was just picked in round 23 by the Blue Jays.

hey infieldad; question for you??? i have been reading some of the scouting reports on these kids and if you read them there are a lot of them that are saying big kid, rough, needs polishing, will be a good solid player with instruction, I don't get it??? from what i have seen the past 3 years in DIII that there are a bunch of kids that would put these kids to shame and none of them are given the time of day??? I don't get it what is it about MLB and DIII it is like they are treating our kids like they have the west nile virus or something, why won't they give them the time of day???

gatekeeper,
I am not sure I have any truly reliable answers for you other than to reiterate that historically, it is very tough for DIII players to attact attention and then translate that attention into being drafted.
In some discussions I had with a scout, he mentioned how tough it is to watch a DIII game and attempt to project what he is seeing on the field into professional baseball, unless it is something measurable like velocity where they can use the gun.
That is one reason why placing DIII kids in summer wood bat leagues is making a huge difference when they get scouted.  For ours, he got to play Team USA each summer he was in the NECBL and showed he could play, compete, succeed and Team USA has tons of scouts following them.
I would bet last Summer's success for Kurt Yacko in the Northwoods league made a major difference for him because it proved he could get out the guys who compete at the top DI levels, and do it consistently.
Mostly, though, I think it is a proven pattern for ML scouts and organizations.  It is a huge jump from DIII to Milb and they are very skeptical of DIII players improving that much in a short time from roughly ages 22-24.  There is a pretty short period for college players to prove themselves compared to high schoolers. Proving yourself in a top wood bat league, of the type where your son is this summer, is a huge help, much more than 40-50 games at the DIII level, often times..
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: OshDude on June 06, 2008, 05:22:51 pm
1132. Thomas DiBenedetto, Trinity (Conn.), Boston
1141. Ronnie LaBrie, Lynchburg, Washington
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: OshDude on June 06, 2008, 05:28:52 pm
Jesse Orosco is draft eligible?! The D-Backs just took him the 38th. Wish the Cubs would have taken him ... there's always room for a Jesse Orosco on my favorite team.

Speaking of which, does anyone know if the Cubs' pick at 1091 is related to Cubs broadcaster Bob Brenly? Both being catchers makes sense. Just wondering which rounds the "favors" start being selected.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Knightstalker on June 06, 2008, 05:41:35 pm
Jesse Orosco is draft eligible?! The D-Backs just took him the 38th. Wish the Cubs would have taken him ... there's always room for a Jesse Orosco on my favorite team.

Speaking of which, does anyone know if the Cubs' pick at 1091 is related to Cubs broadcaster Bob Brenly? Both being catchers makes sense. Just wondering which rounds the "favors" start being selected.

Ask Mike Piazza.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: OshDude on June 06, 2008, 05:45:31 pm
1209. Nate Nelson (6'6", 290 ... WOW) Worcester State, Toronto
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on June 06, 2008, 05:46:34 pm
Jesse Orosco is draft eligible?! The D-Backs just took him the 38th. Wish the Cubs would have taken him ... there's always room for a Jesse Orosco on my favorite team.

Speaking of which, does anyone know if the Cubs' pick at 1091 is related to Cubs broadcaster Bob Brenly? Both being catchers makes sense. Just wondering which rounds the "favors" start being selected.

It is indeed Brenly's son.  He is a pretty darn  good catcher for UNLV.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: OshDude on June 06, 2008, 05:46:58 pm

Ask Mike Piazza.
I would like that. A lot.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 06, 2008, 05:49:03 pm
1209. Nate Nelson (6'6", 290 ... WOW) Worcester State, Toronto

Nelson is a big guy and the power that goes with the size.  In the NE regional he hit a lot of bombs
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: OshDude on June 06, 2008, 05:49:13 pm
Jesse Orosco is draft eligible?! The D-Backs just took him the 38th. Wish the Cubs would have taken him ... there's always room for a Jesse Orosco on my favorite team.

Speaking of which, does anyone know if the Cubs' pick at 1091 is related to Cubs broadcaster Bob Brenly? Both being catchers makes sense. Just wondering which rounds the "favors" start being selected.

It is indeed Brenly's son.  He is a pretty darn  good catcher for UNLV.
Thanks for the info. Hope he's as good as his pop. Glad to read it's not a Guillen pick.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 06, 2008, 05:54:17 pm
Jesse Orosco is draft eligible?! The D-Backs just took him the 38th. Wish the Cubs would have taken him ... there's always room for a Jesse Orosco on my favorite team.

Speaking of which, does anyone know if the Cubs' pick at 1091 is related to Cubs broadcaster Bob Brenly? Both being catchers makes sense. Just wondering which rounds the "favors" start being selected.

It is indeed Brenly's son.  He is a pretty darn  good catcher for UNLV.
Thanks for the info. Hope he's as good as his pop. Glad to read it's not a Guillen pick.

Brenly is Jesse Orosco's half-step neighbor-in-law.

I noticed they skipped selection number 1240 in the draft tracker.

Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 06, 2008, 05:57:25 pm
Yankees are the first to quit drafting, in the 36th round.

Wait, the NYY did not select in Rd. 36. How do they keep drafting in Rd. 37?

Looks like another glitch.  no number 1100 where you would expect the Yankee selection to be.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: mr_b on June 06, 2008, 06:05:34 pm
Ronnie LaBrie from Lynchburg has a chance. Coach Abell has received calls from teams interested in him and he had a pre-draft workout thing that went well...
Good call, LCasid.  LaBrie was selected by the Nationals.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: mr_b on June 06, 2008, 06:07:11 pm
I see that Mike Eifel (Dominican University of River Forest, IL) was selected by the Giants at pick #627.  That's one that didn't make the previous list.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: OshDude on June 06, 2008, 06:07:56 pm
Have a feeling we have two more names to go: Dan Remenowsky and Mike Zaccardo. And maybe Derek David.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: mr_b on June 06, 2008, 06:09:14 pm
I'm surprised David hasn't been selected yet.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BaseballFan on June 06, 2008, 06:41:30 pm
Dan Kauffman 1392 from Juniata
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: OshDude on June 06, 2008, 06:44:33 pm
Speedy 6'3" OF Dean Laganosky from Haverford goes in the 45th to Cleveland.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: ecfaninri on June 06, 2008, 06:55:23 pm
Nate Nelson - Worcester State - looks like J.P. Ricciardi likes the local talent for the Blue Jays. They might like his power. Congrats to Kiely and DiBenedetto from Trinity.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BaseballFan on June 06, 2008, 06:58:43 pm
Bret Holland Texas Tyler 1435
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: OshDude on June 06, 2008, 07:04:03 pm
We're at 19, the same as last season. Still some nice players left to tip the 2008 draft past '07.

Zach Foster, 6'4" RHP from Pitt-Bradford, to Pittsburgh in the 49th.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 06, 2008, 07:19:44 pm
A complete list of 19 players drafted in the 2008 MLB draft

 245. Ryan Kulik, Rowan by St Louis (round 8 )
 257. Kurt Yacko, Chapman by Colorado (8 )
 506. Frank Pfister, Emory by Cincinnati (17)
 627. Mike Eifel, Dominican by San Francisco (21)
 643. Adam Frost, St. Norbert by Detroit (21)
 738. Nelson Gomez, Keystone by Arizona (24)
 782. Shane Wolf, Ithaca by Houston (26)
 829. T.m Kiely, Trinity (Conn) by Arizona (27)
1019. Bryan Gardner, Ithaca by Cincinnati (34)
1058. Mike Vass, Chapman by Milwaukee (35)
1088. Evan Bronson, Trinity (Texas) by Milwaukee (36)
1132. Thomas DeBenedetto, Trinity (Conn.) by Boston (37)
1136. Thomas Phelps, Whittier by Baltimore (38)
1141. Ronnie Labrie, Lynchburg by Washington (38)
1209. Nate Nelson, Worcester State by Toronto (40)
1368. Dean Laganosky, Haverford by Cleveland (45)
1392. Dan Kauffman, Juniata by Arizona (46)
1435. Brett Holland, Texas-Tyler by Oakland (48)
1452. Zachary Foster, Pitt-Bradford by Pittsburgh (49)

and a transfer for a D-III school:
699. Chick Huggins, UCSB by Toronto (23) - played at Trinity (Texas)
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on June 06, 2008, 07:25:52 pm
This is surely a nice day for every one of these players.  Some were likely told they would go higher, and didn't.  Some were told nothing and ended up drafted.  But, all in all, when you can be drafted by a MLB team from DIII baseball, it is a terrific accomplishment. 
Ralph's comments a few weeks back about the tenacity and mental toughness of these kids will now become apparent, along with that desire and hunger to prove they belong. Coming from a DIII background to Milb is  very special. But every DIII player our son met in Milb had something very special about them.
Good luck to every one of them who signs and moves to the next level where you hopefully will soon be able to follow them on the Milb site.
For those who hoped to be picked and it didn't happen, just remember that no one can figure this out.  I have a friend who's son is a top player on a team in the Super Regionals.  They got a call last night talking about him being picked somewhere around round 15.  Round 50 just ended, and he didn't get picked...at all.  And now he needs to mentally rebound, get on the field, and play at the very top of his game with Omaha as his.
As happy as I am for the kids who were picked, I am equally sad for those young men who hoped to be...and weren't. 
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: bbnag101 on June 06, 2008, 07:45:51 pm
No players drafted on the first day :)

Free agents can negotiate their own contract.  If fact you have greater freedom since you can negotiate with all teams, not just one.  Of course if a team thought you were on their top 50 players they can get, you would have been drafted.

No player has to sign a contract.  If the deal is not acceptable, you dont sign.  It really is the same for any of us.  All jobs I have had I applied knowing the pay was acceptable or was able to negotiate a higher rate.

CONGRATS to all players that were drafted!!!! -  Now we will see how many get picked up as Free Agents
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on June 06, 2008, 07:50:25 pm
With Evan Bronson being drafted this year, Trinity(Tx.) has now had 3 picked since 2004.  If you include Chuck Huggins who started at Trinity, and Steve Edsall(drafted in 2004) who also started there before  transferring to DII Rollins College in Fla, that is an indication of where Coach Scannell and his staff have the program headed.
It is also a terrific indication that Coach Scannell has a keen eye for talent when he is recruiting and a wonderful ability to develop that talent when the kids get into his program. Scouts along the I35 corridor now make Trinity a regular stop.  This year's freshman class, if they continue to develop and improve, could make for more and longer stops for more scouts.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Krakatoa on June 06, 2008, 08:07:06 pm
ifd, you know what I'm hoping for three or four years from now  ;)

Does anyone know why Wayde Kitchens (JR Chapman) wasn't taken?  I'm just curious.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: infielddad on June 06, 2008, 08:26:10 pm

Does anyone know why Wayde Kitchens (JR Chapman) wasn't taken?  I'm just curious.

Krak, that is one of those draft mysteries, just like the top shortstop from the DI powerhouse who is playing in a Super Regional this week and was not picked.
 MLB.com used to  provide more information about more players from the MLB scouting bureau reports when they posted the draft tracker  a few weeks before the draft.
Those gave more insight into the players other than those at the very top of the draft board. It is too bad they don't anymore.
I would imagine these two days provide those undrafted players with a lot of motivation.  I know it did in our house. 
Let's hope another year of college ball, a good summer in a wood bat league, and a lot of hard work in the weight room will make the results different for those players next June.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: killerdude on June 06, 2008, 08:31:43 pm
Congrats to all the players drafted...Some players i believe that will be signed as free agents are:

--Chris Pecora(NCWC)
--Kenny Moreland(CNU)
--Kyle Robertson(NCWC)
--Matt Smith(NCWC)

These are just a few from the South region...Who else is a possible free agent pick??
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: killerdude on June 06, 2008, 08:34:07 pm
These are a few players mentioned by the MLB board...So good luck to Chris, Kenny, Kyle, and Matt...Should be a sure bet for these players to get signed!
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: hokieone on June 06, 2008, 09:22:58 pm
Kenny Moreland, CNU, signed shortly after the draft ended by the Baltimore Orioles. He leaves for Florida Sunday. Talk about a low(-not drafted-)to a high(-quick call from the O's-)to a quick change-heading for Florida Sunday. Wow!

 Good luck to a great guy and a fierce competitor!
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: mr_b on June 06, 2008, 09:35:08 pm
A complete list of 19 players drafted in the 2008 MLB draft

How does this figure for drafted D3 players compare with previous years?
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 06, 2008, 10:00:04 pm
A complete list of 19 players drafted in the 2008 MLB draft

How does this figure for drafted D3 players compare with previous years?

Spot on.

Last year 19 were drafted.  between 1998 and 2007, 193 were drafted. or 19/year.

On an Oakland broadcast, they said they had 800 names they were looking to draft.  Assuming teams took a lot of these, I expect a name or two was left on the board at the end of the draft and those are whom they offer free agent contracts.  I would think that speed would be an issue to get the player signed.
Title: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 06, 2008, 10:01:15 pm
Moreland will be the first of many signing free agent contracts this weekend.

NEWPORT NEWS, VA – Christopher Newport’s Kenny Moreland signed a professional contract with the Baltimore Orioles organization Saturday, following the conclusion of the 2008 Major League Draft.

Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 06, 2008, 10:03:07 pm
I started a new thread for free agent signings so folks can post the signings as they ocurr and continue to talk about the draft. 

I will continue to blog about the draft as I get time to look at different breakdowns on d3baseball.com.
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 06, 2008, 10:06:30 pm
Some players did not wait for the draft to sign a professional contract.

From releases posted on d3baseball.com


CRESTWOOD, Ill. – American Southwest Conference Baseball East Division Player of the Year Clay Baker (Henderson, Texas) has signed a contract to play professional baseball with the 2007 Frontier League Champion Windy City Thunderbolts.

NORTON, MA- Recent Wheaton College graduate Chris McDonough (Weymouth, MA/Weymouth) agreed to terms with the Brockton Rox of the Canadian-American Association of Professional Baseball, as the lefthanded pitcher is the fifth Lyon since 2006 and sixth Wheaton player overall to sign a professional contract.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: OshDude on June 07, 2008, 12:29:51 am
My favorite feature every year. The list of draftees with ties to former and current MLBers.

Wonder how much it costs to sign Boras's son. Probably get a bit of a discount in the 35th round. But seriously, is there any chance lil Boras signs out of HS in the 35th round? That's a hilarious pick.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080606&content_id=2852856&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080606&content_id=2852856&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp)
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 07, 2008, 12:43:47 am
My favorite feature every year. The list of draftees with ties to former and current MLBers.

Wonder how much it costs to sign Boras's son. Probably get a bit of a discount in the 35th round. But seriously, is there any chance lil Boras signs out of HS in the 35th round? That's a hilarious pick.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080606&content_id=2852856&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080606&content_id=2852856&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp)

Depends.  While I wouldn't want to deal with his presumed agent, what's his GPA and SAT? :o ;D
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: YagsUMB on June 07, 2008, 09:11:37 am
St Louis drafting Boras' son = Brownie points. They're not dumb in St Louis. I don't think they drafted any Boras clients this year but in the future, they will always have that little tie to Boras that no other team does. Something tells me they still won't be getting any deals!
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BigPoppa on June 07, 2008, 11:11:14 am
My favorite feature every year. The list of draftees with ties to former and current MLBers.

Wonder how much it costs to sign Boras's son. Probably get a bit of a discount in the 35th round. But seriously, is there any chance lil Boras signs out of HS in the 35th round? That's a hilarious pick.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080606&content_id=2852856&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080606&content_id=2852856&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp)

The draft of Boras' son was a favor. We played them(Junipero Serra HS, San Juan Capistrano, CA) this season and he was a bench guy for most of the season. I expect him to sign as there is no local college that wants him to play there next year.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BaseballFan on June 07, 2008, 11:36:07 am
My favorite feature every year. The list of draftees with ties to former and current MLBers.

Wonder how much it costs to sign Boras's son. Probably get a bit of a discount in the 35th round. But seriously, is there any chance lil Boras signs out of HS in the 35th round? That's a hilarious pick.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080606&content_id=2852856&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080606&content_id=2852856&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp)

The draft of Boras' son was a favor. We played them(Junipero Serra HS, San Juan Capistrano, CA) this season and he was a bench guy for most of the season. I expect him to sign as there is no local college that wants him to play there next year.

I think thats pretty funny that a kid that didnt really play gets drafted in the 35th round...Just kind of shows how much other things factor in. Being able to sign a kid, drafting former player kids, drafting kids to do a favor for some, and depends on each scout trying to sell their kid to the team
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: frank uible on June 07, 2008, 11:40:30 am
It also shows how much at least one MLB team values a 35th round pick.
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: Krakatoa on June 07, 2008, 12:26:11 pm
From the Trinity U grapevine:

"Brian Oates received a call from the Seattle Mariners and was offered a contract.  He is leaving for Peoria, Arizona next week to join their rookie league team."

Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: janesvilleflash on June 07, 2008, 12:45:39 pm
Sounds like he's committed to USC.
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 07, 2008, 06:35:35 pm
Kean's Bryan Burke is heading down to Texas where Monday he will sign
a contract with the Texarkana Gunslingers of the Continental baseball
League.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: A.G. on June 07, 2008, 07:00:40 pm
Ronnie LaBrie from Lynchburg has a chance. Coach Abell has received calls from teams interested in him and he had a pre-draft workout thing that went well...
Good call, LCasid.  LaBrie was selected by the Nationals.

THAT pick was called long before LCasid chimed in....
Ronnie LaBrie, Lynchburg College, but as an outfielder.  Do not be surprised if he gets a day two nod, b/c he has the bat, the speed, and the arm.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: ecfaninri on June 07, 2008, 09:47:54 pm
My favorite feature every year. The list of draftees with ties to former and current MLBers.

Wonder how much it costs to sign Boras's son. Probably get a bit of a discount in the 35th round. But seriously, is there any chance lil Boras signs out of HS in the 35th round? That's a hilarious pick.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080606&content_id=2852856&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080606&content_id=2852856&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp)

The draft of Boras' son was a favor. We played them(Junipero Serra HS, San Juan Capistrano, CA) this season and he was a bench guy for most of the season. I expect him to sign as there is no local college that wants him to play there next year.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: ecfaninri on June 07, 2008, 09:50:23 pm
Big Poppa, What kind of stats did Boras' kid have? Did he go to any showcases?
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BigPoppa on June 08, 2008, 10:21:27 pm
Big Poppa, What kind of stats did Boras' kid have? Did he go to any showcases?

He hit a "blistering" .315 with 3 2Bs and a whopping 6 RBIs in a back-up role for his high school. Clearly taken as a favor to Scott Boras.

The sad thing is that some deserving kid did not get drafted as a result of Scott Boras' kid getting picked.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: frank uible on June 09, 2008, 03:38:50 am
Undoubtedly that deserving kid has gotten or will get at least one opportunity to sign as a free agent - but he won't be able to truthfully tell his grandkids that he was drafted - for whatever that may be worth to him.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: janesvilleflash on June 09, 2008, 07:14:58 am
Here's a link for an "ask the scout" column I found interesting.

http://www.baseballresource.com/scout/
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Falcon2720 on June 09, 2008, 11:35:05 am
I believe Boras son is walking on at USC.

He did not sign with them. Just a favor to his daddy.

http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/112007aaf.html
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BigPoppa on June 09, 2008, 12:16:34 pm
I believe Boras son is walking on at USC.

He did not sign with them. Just a favor to his daddy.

http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/112007aaf.html

Talent-wise, he will never see the field there. I am thinking that having Boras' son around might be good financially for the baseball program. You will not believe the high school facilities that Boras funded for JSerra High School while his son was there.

Here is the link: http://www.jserra.org/sites/athletics (http://www.jserra.org/sites/athletics)
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 09, 2008, 06:53:18 pm
Tim Matthews, who played one for Texas-Tyler, was drafted out of Baylor by Colorado in the 27th round at 827.
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 09, 2008, 06:54:04 pm
 Michael Santoro a SR catcher from York College signed as a free agent
with the Atlantic City Surf of the CanAm League.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 10, 2008, 06:39:01 pm
A complete list of 19 players drafted in the 2008 MLB draft

How does this figure for drafted D3 players compare with previous years?

Spot on.

Last year 19 were drafted.  between 1998 and 2007, 193 were drafted. or 19/year.


Make that 20 players drafted.  I missed Ryan Flannery.


1421    Ryan Flannery, FDU-Florham   RHP   New York AL (47)
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: janesvilleflash on June 10, 2008, 07:07:33 pm
We can't be having mistakes like that. ;D

By the way Jim, thanks for all your work this season, and off season. It's made this year the most enjoyable by having so much information that wasn't available before.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BigPoppa on June 11, 2008, 03:37:09 pm
Is anyone else going through baseball withdrawl like I am right now?
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: mr_b on June 11, 2008, 05:57:05 pm
Is anyone else going through baseball withdrawl like I am right now?
I've been reduced to watching professional baseball.  It's come to this.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BaseballFan on June 11, 2008, 07:16:48 pm
Is anyone else going through baseball withdrawl like I am right now?

Not if you have been watching the D1 super regionals and now have the college world series starting this weekend.

Especially with 6 of the top 8 teams in it and a pretty good Stanford team and Fresno St making an improbable run. There will be some good games with plenty of talent on the field just watch Florida St. Buster Posey, Georgias SS Beckam, or the 1st rounders from Miami.

To relate it to D3 i just wonder sometimes what some D3 players could do at this level, obviously there are some that could play with the bigger boys.
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: RSSmith on June 12, 2008, 07:31:24 am
Jonas Fester, Johns Hopkins University infielder, signed with the Forth Worth Cats of the American Association.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: old ends on June 12, 2008, 09:14:25 am
Haverford player picked in draft

Click here: http://www.haverford.edu/athletics/story.php?id=9471&u=3 (http://www.haverford.edu/athletics/story.php?id=9471&u=3)

enjoy
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: BigPoppa on June 12, 2008, 11:32:04 am
Is anyone else going through baseball withdrawl like I am right now?

Not if you have been watching the D1 super regionals and now have the college world series starting this weekend.

Especially with 6 of the top 8 teams in it and a pretty good Stanford team and Fresno St making an improbable run. There will be some good games with plenty of talent on the field just watch Florida St. Buster Posey, Georgias SS Beckam, or the 1st rounders from Miami.

To relate it to D3 i just wonder sometimes what some D3 players could do at this level, obviously there are some that could play with the bigger boys.

I have been watching the D1 games. I have a few former players of mine on various teams. Cal-State Fullerton, Fresno State and Florida State. It will be nice to watch two of my former players battle it out in Omaha.
Title: Re: Possible D3 Draft Picks this year
Post by: gatekeper43 on June 12, 2008, 11:36:54 pm
Is anyone else going through baseball withdrawl like I am right now?

there are some good games in the NECBL on there web site, you can get the video and audio feed at SID@nsnavs.com they haven't played the greatest ball yet but they are coming together as a team and getting to know each other which is a good sign. they are getting some good turn outs fan wise. and i am sure there are other wood bat leagues that are going, but to answer your question

       YES INEXPLICABLY AFFIRMATIVE! WITHOUT A DOUBT AND ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE NOT AS ADDICTIVE AS D3 BASEBALL.

Ralph and Jim and Bigpoppa along with infieldad and Pat Coleman and I am sorry if I missed any names here you guys are the best because you all have been an intregal part of my day during work and it actually made my day at work go by much faster and gave me something to look forward to ;D

all the insight and outsight and bad advice along with good advice and some people that new exactly what they were talking about including those of us that didn't!!!!

But I want to take this time to thank all the hard work and endless and countless hours that were spent behind the scenes looking up stats and reporting the facts and nothing but the facts, and some not so much? but we all gave it Hell and I just want to say thanks and i can't wait until winter season start and we get our kids back on the sandlot:>). talk to you all soon and great job all of you you made my year.
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: KYGrizzly on June 16, 2008, 11:15:58 am
Andy Clark, pitcher from Franklin College will sign with the Florence Freedom of the Frontier League today. He will also be the starting pitcher in tonights game against the Washington Wild Things.
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 16, 2008, 11:39:46 pm
Andy Clark, pitcher from Franklin College will sign with the Florence Freedom of the Frontier League today. He will also be the starting pitcher in tonights game against the Washington Wild Things.

Clark got the win tonight.
http://www.frontierleague.com
(It's scrolling through all the finals as I post.)
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: KYGrizzly on June 17, 2008, 07:53:24 am
Andy Clark, pitcher from Franklin College will sign with the Florence Freedom of the Frontier League today. He will also be the starting pitcher in tonights game against the Washington Wild Things.

Clark got the win tonight.
http://www.frontierleague.com
(It's scrolling through all the finals as I post.)
He pitched 7 1/3 innings giving up 1 run on 3 hits, 2 BB's and 1 KO before tiring in the 8th.

Here is the link for the game recap:

http://www.florencefreedom.com/2008scores/flo6160.html
 
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: hokieone on June 17, 2008, 11:16:00 am
Kenny Moreland has been sent to the Bluefield Orioles, season opens tonight.
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: indian4life on June 17, 2008, 07:37:18 pm
Derek David with the River City Rascals in Missouri

http://www.rivercityrascals.com/roster.php
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 18, 2008, 06:20:46 pm
Cortland's Mike Zaccardo to Sign With Philadelphia Phillies 
Organization; Catcher Will Join Williamsport (Pa.) Crosscutters of New 
York-Penn League
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 25, 2008, 02:29:05 pm
Matt Vieira, LHP, Cal State East Bay, signed with the Florida Marlins, he is being
sent to the short season Class A New York-Penn League.

Archie Gilbert, CF, Cal State East Bay, 2005. Archie signed with the Red Sox in
2005, signed with the White Sox in 2007, and the Athletics in 2008. 
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: John McGraw on June 25, 2008, 04:37:49 pm
Derek David with the River City Rascals in Missouri

http://www.rivercityrascals.com/roster.php

Not so much. David played one game, went 0-for-3 and was released.
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: mr_b on June 25, 2008, 07:41:32 pm
Derek David with the River City Rascals in Missouri

http://www.rivercityrascals.com/roster.php

Not so much. David played one game, went 0-for-3 and was released.
Talk about a tough crowd.
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 25, 2008, 11:01:40 pm
Derek David with the River City Rascals in Missouri

http://www.rivercityrascals.com/roster.php

Not so much. David played one game, went 0-for-3 and was released.
Talk about a tough crowd.

That's what I was thinking.

I wonder how many MLB HoFers started their careers at 0-3 (or worse) - I'm guessing close to 50%.  There's gotta be more to this story than that! ???
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: KYGrizzly on July 02, 2008, 09:25:35 am
Here is a little update from the Frontier League for Andy Clark from Franklin College.

He is now 3 - 0 after four starts, has an 2.67ERA, 27 innings pitched, 7BB's, 21 KO's and opponent batting average of .206.

Link for recap of last game pitched:

http://www.florencefreedom.com/2008scores/flo7010.html
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: KYGrizzly on July 02, 2008, 02:18:35 pm
Just seen where Dan Remenowsky of Otterbein signed with Windy City of the Frontier League yesterday.

I noticed that he is the starting pithcer in their game today that is going on right now.

Link: http://www.frontierleague.com/
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 04, 2008, 08:22:06 pm
Here's an update on NC Wesleyan's Chris Pecora:

http://annex.ncwc.edu/athletics/baseball/2007-08/news/peco_gateway.htm
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on July 25, 2008, 09:21:26 pm
Ryan Buckland Wesley College Signed with Nashua Pride

  http://athletics.wesley.edu/index.cfm?fuseaction=news.viewHDetail&newsid=729

  http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080725/SPORTS07/616427254
Title: MLB Tryouts
Post by: Old Man on July 31, 2008, 12:00:43 am
my son is a pretty decent player.  where can i find a list of MLB tryouts by regions?  can anyone help me on this?

OM
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: szlongball on July 31, 2008, 03:13:41 am
Try going to MLB.com. Might be able to get something from Baseball America or Perfect Game, but I'm not sure about either one of those. Also check the individual sites for each MLB team. Good Luck to your son.
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: kscer on August 02, 2008, 02:13:51 pm
I see Greg Ford Keene State OF/pitcher signed with the Nashua Pride
Title: Re: MLB Tryouts
Post by: rjburke on August 03, 2008, 07:13:39 pm
my son is a pretty decent player.  where can i find a list of MLB tryouts by regions?  can anyone help me on this?

OM
http://

Try the following link:
www.probaseballworkouts.citymax.com/page/page/4577001.htm
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 06, 2008, 06:17:47 am
Updated stats for Andy Clark (Franklin) and Chris Pecora (NC Wesleyan)

Clark's stats:
http://www.frontierleague.com/teamstats/florence.php

   (Scroll down a bit.)

Pecora's:
http://www.frontierleague.com/teamstats/gateway.php
Title: Re: 2008 Free Agent Signings
Post by: KYGrizzly on September 06, 2008, 11:00:07 am
Andy had a decent year with the Freedom.They had to move him to the bullpen the last three weeks of the season due to arm fatique.

He ended up finishing in the top ten lowest ERA in the league for innings qualified.

Hopefully will get a shot to sign with an affiliated team during the off season or next year.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 17, 2009, 07:21:44 pm
What are fans hearing about the 2009 draft?
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on May 23, 2009, 12:34:23 pm
Chez Angeloni And Todd Emr of Johns Hopkins both have good chances. Dave Fioretti of JHU was also scouted several times throughout the year.

Another centennial conference player was drafted last year and returned for another season, it will be interesting to see what happens with him. I think his name is Laganowski.

I have heard there is a knuckle baller that scouts like in the CC as well, but i don't know his name... let me know

that should be it from the CC

GOOD LUCK TO ALL.


~ DSK Droppin' Bombs
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: bulldozer on May 23, 2009, 07:10:37 pm
Chez Angeloni And Todd Emr of Johns Hopkins both have good chances. Dave Fioretti of JHU was also scouted several times throughout the year.

Another centennial conference player was drafted last year and returned for another season, it will be interesting to see what happens with him. I think his name is Laganowski.

I have heard there is a knuckle baller that scouts like in the CC as well, but i don't know his name... let me know

that should be it from the CC

GOOD LUCK TO ALL.


~ DSK Droppin' Bombs

What does DSK stand for?
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on May 24, 2009, 01:10:27 am
... Thats personal.

Wayde Kitchens' injury should affect his draft outlook. I would have expected him to be one of the D3 17 or 18 drafted this year and the next Chapman player to follow RHP and UTL Kurt Yacko.

regarding the lefty from Cortland, Matt Tone, does anyone close to the action have an update on his draft stock. I know he has the stuff and the buzz with scouts in the past.

Another question... This is a player i have not seen in person. Does Jeremiah Bayer have the stuff, namely the velocity, to get drafted b/c his numbers and accolades are ridiculous. (NOTE: It is extremely difficult to have such a minuscule ERA, i am a bit curious about the number of unearned runs he allowed this year - i think it is unusually high, especially for trinity who typically play elite Defense except for they're uncharacteristic performance in the 09 CWS. Does anyone else share this opinion? He gave up only 9 ER in 30 R total)

looking for more draft updates... there are typically 16-19 D3 draftees and then a number of players who sign after the draft if i remember recent history correctly.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on May 24, 2009, 01:27:09 am
Gilblair should have scouts buzzing. I know he did great things in the NECBL which is usually all scouts need to see in order to disregard that D3 stereotype with D3 hitters. They're thinking, if he can outplay some of the best with wood bats then he can play anywhere.

I don't know where his velocity is but as a crafty lefty he could definitely give a team innings at the next level.

I wonder if his past injuries will scare teams off...

Some of those beloved die hard EConn fans could give us some insight... thanks.

Good luck to all these player BTW.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: dgilblair on May 24, 2009, 10:19:26 am
Gilblair should have scouts buzzing. I know he did great things in the NECBL which is usually all scouts need to see in order to disregard that D3 stereotype with D3 hitters. They're thinking, if he can outplay some of the best with wood bats then he can play anywhere.

I don't know where his velocity is but as a crafty lefty he could definitely give a team innings at the next level.

I wonder if his past injuries will scare teams off...

Some of those beloved die hard EConn fans could give us some insight... thanks.

Good luck to all these player BTW.

The buzz is more like a hum compared to the fall of 07  You are correct about the success he had in the NECBL in 07 when he was the POY playing for the Holyoke Giants so I would have to say the injuries did play a part in the hum of interest this year. Funny thing  Stephen Strasburg played in the NECBL that year and was selected as the top pro prospect.  By no means am I comparing the two but thought I'd throw that in as a side note.

He is nursing a badly bruised calf he injured catching a foul ball during the regionals when he and two of his teammates got tangled up and one of them either stepped or kneed him.  That said the injuries from 08 were both from his high school days playing basketball that flared up again.  We had a great surgeon DR. Joyce and he is as good as new with those.

As for his velocity I can only go by what others have said because I have never actually never seen him on a gun, others have said upper 80's.  He has picked up a mile or two an hour every year since his freshman year and I would think when he only has to work on pitching full time that may still improve more. I was never one to worry about velocity. When he was little all we worked on was location and tring to find a hitters weakness never about how hard you threw it but about where you threw it.

He will play somewhere this summer no doubt, draft or no draft. 
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on May 24, 2009, 12:17:54 pm
Very true about Strasburg. I have many friends who claim to have a double off of a 96 mph Strasburg heater from that summer.

I hope he gets a shot to play affiliated ball, in my 4 D3 years i think he is the best pure hitter i have seen, although i did not face him. I think him and Emr are on their own level.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 24, 2009, 05:20:34 pm
Strasburg is TWICE the pitcher he was then....I've seen him throw two games this year (both at TCU, once during the year against TCU and once in the tournament against New Mexico), and he's THE REAL DEAL......untouchable.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on May 24, 2009, 07:53:48 pm
There is no doubt he has improved since then to become the top prospect of the century. Maybe we will see him working along side Jordan Zimmerman in a year for the Nats. Wouldn't that be awesome! I say Zim is the #1 and Strasburg the #2...  ;D

can't give Jordan enough credit, he is the real deal too! Hope to see some of this years D3 guys in the bigs in the near future!
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Pitcher34 on May 25, 2009, 04:37:20 am
I know there are a few Capital Athletic Conference players that have been scouted this year with Salisbury, York (PA), and University of Mary Washington.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: ecfaninri on May 25, 2009, 07:39:45 am
Gilblair was the National Player of the Year Twice for nothing.. I know DGilblair won't say it, but I will, Shawn can help some franchise in many ways. Left hander with good stuff and location, great stick for OBP and power, and a very good glove at first base. In the the regionals he made three plays that most first basemen only dream about. I was standing on the right field foul line fence when he came up with that foul ball they left him hobbled for the rest of the regionals. We all were amazed he came up with that ball 125 feet behind first. If I am a GM or scout, he is a natural look along with his knowledge of the game.

BUt then again... I have had the pleasure of seeing him play for three years, some scouts haven't. I am sure that playing in 2 CWS, 4 regionals, the NECBL, and being selected a host of times to all-tourney teams, MVP's, All-New England Player of the year and National Player of the YEar has to count for something.

Good Luck Shawn - I can't wait to see or hear about you at the next level.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: metsfan on May 25, 2009, 07:46:47 am
Saw this on baseballamerica dot com:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=817 (http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=817)

Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: John McGraw on May 25, 2009, 11:27:19 am
Gilblair was the National Player of the Year Twice for nothing.. I know DGilblair won't say it, but I will, Shawn can help some franchise in many ways. Left hander with good stuff and location, great stick for OBP and power, and a very good glove at first base. In the the regionals he made three plays that most first basemen only dream about. I was standing on the right field foul line fence when he came up with that foul ball they left him hobbled for the rest of the regionals. We all were amazed he came up with that ball 125 feet behind first. If I am a GM or scout, he is a natural look along with his knowledge of the game.

BUt then again... I have had the pleasure of seeing him play for three years, some scouts haven't. I am sure that playing in 2 CWS, 4 regionals, the NECBL, and being selected a host of times to all-tourney teams, MVP's, All-New England Player of the year and National Player of the YEar has to count for something.

Good Luck Shawn - I can't wait to see or hear about you at the next level.

I imagine the mindset in the team that would want Shawn is what do they want more - the lefty pitcher of the fielder/hitter? He's obviously good at both though you don't see dual-threat players in the minor leagues. Shane Wolf, a D3baseball.com All-America utility player last year was drafted by the Astros and he's now a lefty pitcher in their farm system, already in the High-A California League. Another upstate New York guy, Chris Salamida had the same talents and he's in the same farm system but now in Double-A.

Having seen Shawn at several regionals in Auburn, I think he'll get a shot somewhere. Some team will take a chance on him, either in the draft or as an NDFA.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: dgilblair on May 25, 2009, 11:29:13 am
Gilblair was the National Player of the Year Twice for nothing.. I know DGilblair won't say it, but I will, Shawn can help some franchise in many ways. Left hander with good stuff and location, great stick for OBP and power, and a very good glove at first base. In the the regionals he made three plays that most first basemen only dream about. I was standing on the right field foul line fence when he came up with that foul ball they left him hobbled for the rest of the regionals. We all were amazed he came up with that ball 125 feet behind first. If I am a GM or scout, he is a natural look along with his knowledge of the game.

BUt then again... I have had the pleasure of seeing him play for three years, some scouts haven't. I am sure that playing in 2 CWS, 4 regionals, the NECBL, and being selected a host of times to all-tourney teams, MVP's, All-New England Player of the year and National Player of the YEar has to count for something.

Good Luck Shawn - I can't wait to see or hear about you at the next level.

All of the above is why he did get some looks, but I'm sure when scouts look at him they don't see a Major League prospect.  5-11, 200 pounds, soon to be 22 years old, throws in the upper 80's.  Lots of guys have a  better body and stats than Shawn.  Plus the fact being that nearly all those awards were for the combination of pitching and hitting at the D3 level.  If you separate the two he doesn't get nearly the recognition as when combined.  Now I'm not taking anything away from his accomplisments in any way as he has earned everything but I think this is how a lot of MLB guys would view it.  Now stats and stature never truly tell the whole story of a player and there is certainly more to Shawn than either of those when it comes to playing the game. Being a lefty may help him get a chance at getting signed and if not he will take a different road to try and get there.  You never know if you don't try so try he will. Personally just being mention a a possible pick or signee is an honor.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: slick on May 25, 2009, 01:26:00 pm
Brian Rembisz, Ct kid who was juat a pure ball player, 5'8" 165, played a UVM, pitched, played inf, played in every game. Best pitcher, best hitter etc. but went undrafted. Signed with a independent team in Michigan, played one year, picked by Angels last year late. Currently in Dbl A (Arkansas) with 0.00 era (20+) innings pitching middle relief. Tim Keily (Trinity) just threw a complete game 4 hit shutout and leads the team in innings and I believe wins. Tim isn't a large kid but knows how to play. From everything I have heard about Shawn, he is that type of player that can help fill a minor league roster and get a chance. I bet he goes, maybe later rounds, but I'd bet on him going.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: mideastfan2 on May 25, 2009, 01:37:06 pm
scouts from certain organizations also like "winners" from programs that know how to win.  Shawn is from one of the top couple programs in the country....he'll catch on somewhere, whether it's through the draft or signing afterwards.

Like the poster above said, there are multiple paths to success.

Mike Demark from Marieta went undrafted in 2006 after winning the World Series as a Senior.  He payed independent ball for a season, then was picked up by the Padres.  Last year he was the Padres minor league Pitcher of Year, as he had an outstanding year out of the bullpen in AA.

It's all about getting that chance.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: ECSUalum on May 25, 2009, 04:07:28 pm
From SCOUT66 post last year Septemberish:

Interesting to re-read

U SOUTHERN MAINE: I HAVE HEARD ON THE WIRE 3 TRANSFERS, AND IM TRYING TO FIND NAMES AND LOCATINS. PLAYERS-L/R D'ALFONSO PLAYED WELL IN THE NECBL SAW HIS LAST COUPLE OF GAMES BARRELS THE BALL WELL, HAS SIZE,RAW POWER POTENTIAL. BURLESON SLIGHT UNDERSIZE FOR A SS GOOD ARM, GAP POWER, POSSIBLE 2B IN FUTURE GOOD TOOLS. INF MACKEY-AVG BAT/ARM GOOD FIELDER,SLOW LEGS. PITCHERS DO NOT REALLY JUMP OUT.  KEENE STATE IS TRYING TO GET FRANKLIN PIERCE TRANSFERS. PLAYERS- INF-CHEVALIER HAS 2 TOOLS GLOVE, AND EFFORT BUT THATS ABOUT IT. OF DOYON, RUNS WELL,AVG ARM, LONG SWING DROP AND DRIVE. INF DARAK GOOD BAT SEEMS LIKE A STREAKY HITTER,GOOD GLOVE BIG FRAME. EASTERN CONNECTICUT I READ RECEIVED TWO PLAYERS FROM A JUNIOR COLLEGE I WANT TO SAY FROM NJ, A OF FROM MARIST NY, CONNECTICUT RHP, A DIV II SCHOOL IN NJ. PLAYERS-INF CASTILLO, MATURE, LONG SWING,LONG ARM,RUNS WELL, AGE IS QUESTIONABLE. LHP GILBLAIR-LOCATION OF PITCHES WELL MOST PART, MORE VELO IS +, NEEDS 4TH PITCH AND LOCATE, UNDERSIZED. RHP WOJICK- UNDERSIZED, USES LEGS, GOOD VELOCITY GOOD MOVEMENT. OF PARKE-DECEIVING FOR SIZE,HAS TOOLS, GOOD SPEED, ARM,OBP,INF DEWING-BIG FRAME,GOOD BAT,AVG,GLOVE,SPEED NEEDS TO IMPROVE,POTENTIAL
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on May 31, 2009, 09:07:46 pm
Found this in the Baseball America state by state pre draft prospect lists in the Lower New England region...

He'll be a late-rounds roster filler, as will be Trinity senior righty Jeremiah Bayer, a strike-thrower with an 86-88 mph sinker and a passable slider.

C Sean Killeen was also listed as a Lower NE prospect but just his name...
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on May 31, 2009, 11:20:54 pm
When it comes to the draft and DIII players, I personally do not feel BA has much credibility or reliability.  They don't make their revenue off DIII baseball and I would question how they develop what they publish.
Having had a son go through this, publications like BA and others are of interest to everyone other than players and their parents. 
For 99% of the DIII players who get a chance, the issue is the mindset of the player, the amount of preparation they put in between the end of the season and the first day of short season, the organization drafting them and the opportunity the player receives to prove they can play.
For the DIII position players, they are going to be seeing everyday pitching starting about June 20 with much better velocity and command than they have seen all year.  For pitchers, they will be facing the best hitters they have all year. They have to quickly prove they can play and produce in very difficult competitive circumstances.
If you are a 15th round or below senior sign, which includes most DIII draftees, you have to be ready to play, be focused and be ready when your opportunity occurs.  That opportunity won't be given.  It will be earned by doing every little thing you can to get noticed, be early, stay late, and do everything to get ready to succeed.  Most won't get more than a few chances and some won't even get a few..
Milb is an amazing experience with  upsides and downsides.  What I really love about the DIII kids who get a chance, and succeed, is knowing they earned every inning, every AB and every pitch.  Even when they have success, they still have to earn every inning and AB.
Title: What D3 players will be drafted in 2009?
Post by: Hammer Ball on June 01, 2009, 08:57:01 am
I would be interested in seeing predictions on the D3 players people think will get drafted next week.  Please post here.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Pitcher34 on June 01, 2009, 10:24:07 am
What does it say in the state to state PA area? Any DIII prospects?
Title: Re: What D3 players will be drafted in 2009?
Post by: d3baseballnut on June 01, 2009, 10:25:57 am
Chez Angeloni from JHU    ;) :-*
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 01, 2009, 01:41:16 pm
1. Renny Parthemore, rhp, Cedar Cliff HS, Camp Hill, Pa. (National Rank: 150)
 is the top PA prospect, note your state is defined by your school

2. Nate Reed, lhp, Pittsburgh
3. Darin Gorski, lhp, Kutztown
4. Chris Sedon, 2b, Pittsburgh
5. Steve Grife, rhp, Mercyhurst
6. T.J. Chism, lhp, LaSalle
7. Tarran Senay, of, South Park HS
8. Scott Kelley, rhp, Penn State
9. Gus Benusa, of, Riverview High, Oakmont
10. Jamie Walczak, rhp, Mercyhurst
11. Matt Cotellese, of, West Chester
12. Grant Kernaghan, rhp, Bloomsburg
13. Matt Adams, 1b/c, Slippery Rock
14. Derek Law, rhp, Seton LaSalle Catholic HS, Pittsburgh
15. Sean Barksdale, of, Temple
16. Addison Dunn, rhp, Warren Area HS
17. Nick Berger, of, Central Catholic HS, Pittsburgh
18. Seth Streich, rhp, Johnsonburg Area HS

That is all for PA, recognize anyone?
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: AlleyCat on June 01, 2009, 01:57:44 pm
Does anyone know hat is says about New York prospects, any Div III?
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 01, 2009, 02:01:55 pm
InfieldDad great post! it is very true that every D3 player earns every inch he is given!

But BA cannot be faulted, they hype the players with the tools. Many D3 players can compete at the highest level but simply aren't as tooly (cite Sean Gilblair). Not since Zimmerman who was touted by BA, in their top 100 prospects, and slated as a first 2 or 3 round pick have we had someone with the tools to warrant major attention.

We might see one arm per conference that throws 90s (this is a stretch btw) and that will likely be an inconsistent 90 with a lot of 88moh fastballs, whereas almost every D1 program will have a 90mph arm, and most will have several who maintain there velocity well.

Many D 1 programs have a scout follow their team all year.  BA follows scouts and any fault with BA can be attributed to a lack of interest from MLB scouts.  (cite: only 16-19 D3 players drafted per year and most are sr signees in the late rounds and nothing to write home about as far as tools go)

The best way to get noticed by BA, which is only really useful for creating a buzz about a player going into the draft, is to perform in one of the 8 or 9 collegiate wood bat leagues and garner a top 10 prospect spot. That will make scouts come and watch and BA will follow.

BA is really behind the ball, as scouts talk amongst themselves and often withhold their opinions close to the draft.

A good D3 Prospect will likely only have a limited number of scouts interested. And those scouts will want to keep him relatively quiet. BA makes calls to scouts all day long and depending on their relationship with the scouts in question they might have next to nothing on a legitimate prospect.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 01, 2009, 02:05:05 pm
NATIONAL TOP 200 PROSPECTS

1. Steve Matz, lhp, Ward Melville HS, East Setauket (National Rank: 115)
2. James Jones, lhp/of, Long Island (National Rank: 128)
3. Kyle Hansen, rhp, St. Dominic HS, Oyster Bay (National Rank: 176)

OTHER PROSPECTS OF NOTE

4. Robert Whitenack, rhp, SUNY Old Westbury
5. Kyle Morrison, rhp, Wagner
6. Kevin Mahoney, 3b, Canisius
7. Marcus Stroman, rhp/ss, Patchogue-Medford HS
8. Matt Tone, lhp, Cortland State
9. Bruce Kern, rhp, St. John's
10. Tim Morris, 1b, St. John's
11. Chris Edmondson, of, LeMoyne
12. Jeremy Baltz, of, Vestal HS
13. Brian Kemp, of, St. John's
14. Kevin Nieto, of, Manhattan
15. Nathan Ford, 3b, Cornell
16. Murphy Smith, rhp, Binghamton
17. Matt Nandin, 2b, LeMoyne
18. Zach Anderson, rhp, Buffalo
19. Jeff Dennis, lhp, Binghamton
20. John Mincone, lhp, Suffolk-Brentwood CC
21. Mike Avery, of, Cortland State
22. Brian Witkowski, of, Stony Brook
23. Kevin Mailloux, 2b, Canisius
24. Sean Hagan, lhp, Mamaroneck HS


notice #8 and #21..

Here is the write up on Tone:

Stocky Cortland State lefty Matt Tone earns physical comparisons to Mike Stanton. He posted dominant stats in 2008 and solid numbers this year, going 8-0, 3.07 with 84 strikeouts in 64 innings. Some scouts have seen Tone reach 93 mph, but most report seeing an 87-90 mph fastball. He also leans heavily on an 83-86 mph pitch that some scouts call a cutter and others label a slider. His changeup is below-average, and he projects as a reliever in pro ball.

this bodes well as a lefty who has shown 93 and sits 87-90 with good numbers could make a case to go on day 1  but will need to have the right mid to high level scouts in his corner.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: EasternCtFan on June 01, 2009, 02:25:38 pm
DSKSlugger.... Do you mind putting up the NE prospects now? Thanks
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 01, 2009, 02:46:58 pm
Connecticut, Rhode Island

NATIONAL TOP 200 PROSPECTS

1. Eric Smith, rhp, Rhode Island (National Rank: 88)

OTHER PROSPECTS OF NOTE

2. Dan Mahoney, rhp, Connecticut
3. Matt Carasiti, rhp, Berlin (Conn.) HS
4. Brandon Josselyn, rhp, Yale
5. Chris Gloor, lhp, Quinnipiac
6. Rob Gariano, rhp, Fairfield
7. Nick Greenwood, lhp Rhode Island
8. Tim Boyce, rhp, Rhode Island
9. Evan Marzilli, of, Bishop Hendricken HS, Warwick, R.I.
10. Dominic Leone, rhp, Norwich Free Academy
11. Devin Burke, rhp, Darien
12. John Folino, rhp, Connecticut
13. Dan Rhault, ss, Rhode Island
14. Matt Nuzzo, ss/2b, Brown
15. Tim Brechbuehler, rhp, Avon Old Farms
16. Chris Constantino, 3b, Bishop Hendricken HS, Warwick, R.I.
17. George Dummar, rhp, Branford
18. Jeff Hanson, 1b, Sacred Heart
19. Sean Killeen, c, Trinity (Conn.)
20. Jeremiah Bayer, rhp, Trinity (Conn.)
21. Luke Demko, rhp, Rhode Island
22. John Tangerlini, rhp, Lincoln (R.I.) HS
23. Steve Daniels, of, Brown
24. Will Weidig, rhp, Brown
25. James Wood, of, Trinity
26. David Erickson, rhp, Connecticut
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 01, 2009, 02:49:48 pm
Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont

NATIONAL TOP 200 PROSPECTS

None

OTHER PROSPECTS OF NOTE

1. Myckie Lugbauer, c, Maine
2. Nick Santomauro, of, Dartmouth
3. Matt Watson, c, Deering HS, Portland, Maine
4. Billy Cather, of, Maine
5. Dylan Clark, lhp, Trinity HS, Manchester, N.H.
6. Derrick Sylvestor, rhp, Franklin (N.H.) HS
7. Dan Feehan, rhp, Nashua (N.H.) South HS
8. Justin Albert, lhp, Vermont
9. Kevin Rivers, of, Franklin Pierce (N.H.)
10. Steven Cadoret, lhp, Franklin Pierce (N.H.)
11. Regan Flaherty, 1b, Deering HS, Portland, Maine
12. Joe Miller, rhp, Maine
13. Joe Serafin, lhp, Vermont

here is Mass...

NATIONAL TOP 200 PROSPECTS

1. Tony Sanchez, c, Boston College (National Rank: 32)
2. Mike Belfiore, lhp, Boston College (National Rank: 89)

OTHER PROSPECTS OF NOTE

3. Kyle McKenzie, rhp, Thayer Academy, Braintree
4. Michael Yastrzemski, of, St. John's Prep, Danvers
5. Ryan Quigley, lhp, Northeastern
6. J.B. McDonald, rhp, Boston College
7. Neifi Zapata, c, Boston English HS
8. Barry Butera, of, Boston College
9. Shawn Carlson, rhp, Andover HS
10. Mitchell Clegg, lhp, Massachusetts
11. Robbie Anston, of, Boston College
12. Jonathan Leroux, c, Auburn HS
13. Mike Baillargeon, 2b, Assumption College
14. Jeffrey Bercume, of, Merrimack College
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: d3baseballnut on June 01, 2009, 04:40:32 pm
I'm sorry, but I do not believe Dean Lagonasky from Haverford deserved to get drafted last year, or to be on the d3baseball.com poll.

He hit a combined 99-294 (.337) over his junior and senior years. Are you kidding me? If the centennial conference is that good, where an OF can get drafted after hitting .337, it should get 5 teams in the tournament next year.

How in the world can a kid hit (.337) with a metal bat against Washington, Swarthmore, and Dickinson, and

a.) be productive at the next level, and

b.) get chosen over so many other players with incredible numbers that play in better leagues?

You can't tell me you would logically take him over Todd Emr (.465 over last 2 years) or Brian Youchak

.....this is soooo confusing....
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 01, 2009, 11:10:54 pm
I'm sorry, but I do not believe Dean Lagonasky from Haverford deserved to get drafted last year, or to be on the d3baseball.com poll.

He hit a combined 99-294 (.337) over his junior and senior years. Are you kidding me? If the centennial conference is that good, where an OF can get drafted after hitting .337, it should get 5 teams in the tournament next year.

How in the world can a kid hit (.337) with a metal bat against Washington, Swarthmore, and Dickinson, and

a.) be productive at the next level, and

b.) get chosen over so many other players with incredible numbers that play in better leagues?

You can't tell me you would logically take him over Todd Emr (.465 over last 2 years) or Brian Youchak

.....this is soooo confusing....

I can help clarify...

Dean Lagonowski undoubtedly deserves a spot on this poll as he was drafted as a junior and returned for his sr season.

While he has no bargaining power b/c he will not get any slot money and he will be a sr. signee it is reasonable to assume that whatever factors led to his drafting as a Jr are still in play.

He has good speed and lots of upside in my opinion. he impressed scouts after his soph yr in summer ball and i also think he has some connection to a front office whether it be friend/family etc. No matter the case, despite of his numbers the draft is about upside and tools...

Emr is arguably the best d3 hitter in the nation throughout his career. He can flat out square balls up but he lacks the power that teams will want out of a lefty his size. If he can play 2b like some teams are asking then his raw hitting ability and plus plus glove will become great assets. If he cannot fit in at 2b he will be stuck at 1b where he does not stand a chance as he is not a long ball threat. Good luck to Emr who could be a late rd signee or a free agent signee!

Youchack is extremely tooly, i know that he is returning to JHU to use up his eligability. He needs to impress some scouts this summer and he could be a legitimate draft choice. He has a strong arm and plus speed to go along with decent power for a player his size. Youchak would show very well at a draft workout or open tryout, but those Hopkins players tend to have a different agenda as they ussuallly spend there summers in labs!
That is why no one on this poll will be the first drafted.

two years ago Jordan Zimmerman was taken by the nats in the seccond round at pick #67. this happened b/c the previous summer Zimmermann led all pitchers in the Northwoods League with a 1.01 earned run average and finished second with 92 strikeouts In 80.0 innings of work. Zimmermann was named the Northwoods League Player of the Night three times during the 2006 season. In those three appearances, Zimmermann pitched 26.1 innings and allowed only one earned run on eight hits while striking out 34 batters. Zimmermann was named to both regular season and post season Northwoods League All-Star teams.
During those dominant starts he flashed a 93-95 mph heater that topped out at 97! earning him a spot on the northwoods top prospect list and landed him in BA's top 100 prospects. Those accomplishments alone led to him getting drafted at 67, which turned out to be kind of late due to minor non-throwing injuries early sr year. His status as 2007 cws mvp was the last bit of buzz that told teams to ignore the minor injuries.

Last year Kulik and Yacko were drafted earliest at 245 and 257 respectively. Both players performed well in front of numerous mid level scouts in the Cape (kulik) and Northwoods (Yacko). Kulik had great strike out numbers as well as great pitchability and good velocity for a lefty on top of his all important summer success. Yacko had great arm strength for a rhp sitting at 89-92 and touching 93 almost every time out. He also displayed a great swing and miss slider that rates as a plus pitch. Both of these players displayed great tools on big stages in the summer.

I cannot speak fr every player on that poll. But i am going to put in my 2 cents.

We do not to my knowledge have a very tooly player who tore up summer leagues and was named to a top prospect list therfore the first day should be all quiet on the the D3 front.

Bayer, Gilblair, and Wiley...

No doubt that they all deserve a sot to play. It is likely that one or more of these three will have to go undrafted and sign as a free agent. Being named POY is an unbelieveable honor that will last Bayer's lifetime but iyt will not get him drafted, it will only put another plus on his report that he has accolades, is a winner (2008), a great competitor, and very very consistent. Bayer uses an 86-88 mph sinker which will impress some for its movement but standing alone will not turn anyheads. His numbers are his best friend b/c the low era suggests he will be able to follow in Kiley's footsteps (scouts will know about Kiley and expect the same from Bayer and it helps that Tim is performing very well). Bayer should be a late rd sr. signee expecting $1,000 but only he knows if he has been aproached by the scout willing to take the chance on him.

Gilblair is an interesting case and he is my pick for a free agent signee. Mostly due to his injuries. Scouts will definitly shy away from a d3 player with injuries uness he is absolutely electic. He has enormous pitchability with good control of at least 3 pitches and similar to bayer mid to high 80s velocity. His greatest atribute is his summer success 2 years ago in the necbl. Get this! he was name top pitcher of the year in 07, while Steven Strasburg recieved top prospect and top reliever. Thats right he out performed Strasburg who out impressed scouts with his raw fastball - but he showed he can compete at the highest level and succedd! Awesome! Scouts definitly took note and he would certainly be a late round sr. signee if not for the injuries. Given a workout postdraft or pre draft, teams will recognize the way he carries himself on the field, smooth hands at the plate, and solid pitchability, remeber 07 and he will get his chance.

Wiley is an interesting case. He lacks the numbers of Bayer yet is almost identical. He is a mid to high 80s sinkerballer. Unfortunately, with out great numbers or major summer success (i could be wrong i don't know about his summer) he simply lacks the arm strength to get to the next level. He will need to have scouts already interested, maybe close to his program, and he will need to be given an opportunity - but no doubts that he will be able to get outs at the next level.

Kelleen is a sound catcher and a great bat at the D3 level. I do not know about his summers so i will hold off on judging his draft. Keep in mind that D3 catchers are more valuable for their defense as no scout respects success at the plate against d3 pitching. It is too easy to succeed with major flaws in one's swing at the d3 level so offensive nubers can almost be ignored outside of great power.

I believe the first player will be taken in the 12-16th rounds and i think it will be Matt Tone or Chez Angeloni. This is b/c d3 players taken first are drafted for their raw tools.

Neither pitcher performed as well in their sr. season as they did as jrs when both made it to Wisconsin and Angeloni was named MOP. But both have displayed some of the top tools as d3 pitchers.

Tone has to take the top spot as he is the hard throwing lefty. I believe he will work as a good reliever at the next level, same for Angeloni. Tone has shown an 87-90mph heater that scouts have reported can touch 93. He sits around 83-86 however with what scouts say is a bit of a cutter. He has good feel for off speed but not enough to be considered a definite starter at the next level.

Angeloni has good tools as well, his fastball is 89-92 mph and scouts have seen it top out at 94. he too pitches at 84-86 with sinker that has sharpe and late movement down and in. Angeloni also shows a plus slider at times but scouts say it is inconsistent and needs to become repeatable if he can be a dominant force out of the pen. Both pitchers rely too heavily on the mid 80's movement to be considered legitimate starter prospects at the next level. Angeloni has very mediocre career #s especially at the D3 level but he his the arm strength and movement should nullify them especially since scouts will see him as a reliever.

Both pitchers have been scouted multiple times by area scouts and should be worked out before the draft which bodes well for the mid rounds that i predict will be when the first players are taken.

I cannot speak on any other players either on the poll or off except for Wade Kitchens who i could say a ton about but will save that for another post. Hope he is doing well recovering from his injury. Sorry Wade, great career, and good luck!

Please add your own scouting reports from other players... namely the ones on the poll who i couldn't. Also, anyone have a good handle on Northwestern D3 prospects and maybe some of them Wisconsin guys that i can't give any info on...

Sorry to be long winded. Hope this helps.

Thanks, good luck to all!
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: JGrover on June 02, 2009, 12:31:44 am
DSK, I'm jumping on the bandwagon... And going to ask you to post the Missouri list. Thanks a bunch.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Pitcher34 on June 02, 2009, 09:20:50 am
Wiley, Celenza, Smith, Judson, Miller, Boyle, Poff, Cox, Warner from the CAC have all been looked at by MLB scouts in the past but none have the skills in my opinion to excel at the next level.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: d3baseballnut on June 02, 2009, 10:34:10 am
Draft Lagonasky if you want.....its not my pick that I'm spending on him........
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 02, 2009, 10:48:36 am
Draft Lagonasky if you want.....its not my pick that I'm spending on him........

A chat with Lagonasky (from the Haverford website):

Post-graduate plans:
After graduation, I plan on taking a year off to travel and possibly pursue professional baseball if the opportunity presents itself again next year. Then, it's off to medical school for the rest of my young adult life. As depressing as it may be to come to the realization that I'll be in school practically until my thirties, I believe that medicine will be a personally fulfilling career choice and a rewarding challenge that I look forward to facing.


Title: Re: What D3 players will be drafted in 2009?
Post by: Hammer Ball on June 02, 2009, 01:28:37 pm
Why would BA omit him from the top players from DE, MD, WV & DC?
Title: Re: What D3 players will be drafted in 2009?
Post by: RSSmith on June 02, 2009, 01:52:40 pm
This discussion is going on in great detail on the "D3draft picks and free-agent signings" board.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Hammer Ball on June 02, 2009, 02:19:04 pm
After approx. the 25th round one specific + tool can get a player drafted if the team is willing to try and develop the player around that tool.  Speed is usually high on the list. Scouts often say you can make a player a little faster but you can't make him fast.  In the old draft and follow days a + speed player would be drafted late and watched(placed) in a summer league and, if needed, a JC to see if he took to hitting coaching at a more advanced level.  If he did he would be offered.  Laganosky has ++ speed,  a + arm and great makeup (medical school etc.)  Alot to build on.  I know nothing of his personal contacts in MLB but I am aware Haverford is well represented in MLB front offices and the Agent ranks.

The fact is results at the D3 level don't mean much (or anything) in the drafting, although they may get a player looked at, once.  That is why playing in the right summer league is crucial for a D3 player to get serious consideration.

However, it seems the numbers scouts are more likely to look at are height, weight, home to first (and second), shoe size, hand size, and arm length (wingspan).  (Assuming the player has shown he can play.) Projectability is the key, even for a 21 or 22 year-old. (Although not as much as for a 16 year-old Dominican.)  Talk to a scout about a player he is scouting and the first thing you might hear is "he has good size" or "I like his frame, there is room to grow".  It has been reported that some clubs require additional explanation from the scout if a sub 6' RHP is reported on.  Short-sighted (no pun intended) maybe, but look at the draft lists each year and count how many sub 6" players are taken - not that many.  There seems to be a formula.  When they do stray from that formula it is usually for LHP's or speed guys.

D3 players are underscouted not because they are not worthy of consideration but more likely because MLB clubs have limited scouting resources.  Their people can see alot more "prospects" (aka "suspects") at a D1 game then at a D3 game.  Thus, they will have more players to report on and will have "covered" more potential draftees. 

Just my opinions.
Title: Re: What D3 players will be drafted in 2009?
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 02, 2009, 02:26:33 pm
DRAFT POSSIBLES CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY
Matt Irsfield RHP Senior (90+ fastball)
Wayde Kitchens RHP Senior(90+ fastball)
Tristin Phillips 3B Senior(.400 hitter)
John Semel OF/RHP Sophmore(Draft Eligible)(.400 hitter/90+ fastball/outstanding speed/power)
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 02, 2009, 03:22:14 pm
HammerBall, great insights!

It is true that D3 is at a disadvantage b/c they tend to only have a few guys on the field who garner some notes in a scouts notebook.

But the other big factor is scheduling.

D3 baseball is done while D1 baseball is still going close to the draft, therefore scouts are forced to work with a small window. On top of that, teams best pitchers are usually saved for their weekend doubleheader or conference game, this causes scheduling conflicts if the player (in this case a pitcher) is not already high on organization follow lists. If for instance, you have a good d3 prospect pitcher who is on every mlb follow list, and throughout the year he has weekend start after weekend start, he might get overlooked and will at least be placed on the back burner b/c all the regions D1 best pitchers are going to work on those days as well ( and if you are D1 pitching prospect who has turned heads then e/a team will make a note not too only follow, but to at least check the player out once or call a friendly scout for some quick notes. That being said, if a D3 pitcher has something to look at, like good 90s velocity, and a scout gets out to see him thanks to his coaches, scouts will have no reservations about coming out to D3 games for the rest of the year. They go where the talent is and if there is something worthwhile they will miss those D1 games for a solid D3 prospect. Its about getting noticed, making a good impression, and showing them something to make them want to come back.
Title: Re: What D3 players will be drafted in 2009?
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 02, 2009, 03:56:26 pm
Why would BA omit him from the top players from DE, MD, WV & DC?

Can't say. Most likely it can be explained by what i said in my earlier post about BA. Solid D3 prospects are kept quiet by MLB scouts b/c they know that their guy can stay under the radar at the D3 level. The mid-atlantic is solid but nothing special, i am surprised that no blue jays mad the list.

BA has many prospects on the state by state reports that go undrafted and more still that aren't on there that get drafted and do well. Last years mid atlantic featured Rob Pietroforte and Jonas Fester of Johns Hopkins, but unfortunately neither got drafted.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: OshDude on June 02, 2009, 07:47:46 pm
Was catching up on my newspaper reading and Charlie Walters of the Pioneer Press reported (http://www.twincities.com/ci_12463908?source=most_viewed) that there were 14 MLB scouts on hand for the two championship games.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: EasternCtFan on June 03, 2009, 12:01:08 am
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/drafttracker.jsp
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: OshDude on June 03, 2009, 02:16:39 am
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/drafttracker.jsp
I counted 18 D3 guys in the mlb.com database:
11 P
4 OF
1 C
1 1B
1 SS
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 03, 2009, 02:57:59 am
Wow! great work. Can you say which of those players has a video available?
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: OshDude on June 03, 2009, 05:34:30 am
Wow! great work. Can you say which of those players has a video available?
Bronson was the only one I saw with video (33 seconds).
Here's my list (another freebie, fellas), with links to stats. Add any I missed.
Avery (http://www.cortlandreddragons.com/custompages/baseball/2009stats/teamcume.htm), Cortland
Birdwell (http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/Baseball/Statistics/2009/HTML/teamcume.htm), Whitworth
Blanco (http://www.cortlandreddragons.com/custompages/baseball/2009stats/teamcume.htm), Cortland
Bronson (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Baseball/statistics/teamcume.htm), Trinity (TX)
Dott (http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/baseball/2009/teamcume.htm), Whitewater
Giovenco (http://npuvikings.homestead.com/Baseball09/teamcume.htm), North Park
Grant (http://www.lynchburg.edu/documents/Athletics/baseball/2009_Stats/teamcume.htm#TEAM.MLB), Lynchburg
Helms (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2008-2009/baseball/teamcume.htm), UT-Tyler
Holland (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2008-2009/baseball/teamcume.htm), UT-Tyler
Johnson (http://www.ascsports.org/sports/baseball/2009/ctx.htm#team.mlb), Concordia (TX)
Laganosky (http://www.haverford.edu/athletics/baseball/09stats/teamcume.htm), Haverford
Nolan (http://www.keanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/stats/teamcume.htm), Kean
O'Hara (http://www.rowanathletics.com/sports/2009/2/28/bbcume09.aspx?path=baseball), Rowan
Shelton (http://home.lagrange.edu/athletics/stats/Baseball/teamcume.htm), LaGrange
Tone (http://www.cortlandreddragons.com/custompages/baseball/2009stats/teamcume.htm), Cortland
Toth (http://www.tcnjathletics.com/custompages/2009%20Baseball%20Stats/teamcume.htm), TCNJ
Whiteman (http://www.muskingum.edu/home/athletics/baseball/stats.html), Muskingum
Whitenack (http://www.oldwestburypanthers.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/stats/teamcume.htm), Old Westbury
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: KSCfan on June 03, 2009, 08:50:59 am
Guys- ill admit i dont know much about the whole drafting process with baseball, however i seem to notice that most guys that do get picked up from d3 or sign seem to be pitchers.  I am from New England and maybe thats not the case somewhere else but in recent years players like Serfass and Dipeitro and LaVorgna from Eastern, Fairchild from USM, Kiley from Trinity, and Furbush from St Joes are NE guys that got drafted.  All of these are pitchers, and it seems to me that scouts are more likely to sign or draft pitchers than they are position players.  Cooney the catcher from Eastern, and the catcher from Babson were really the only position players i remember.  Im sure i missed some guys but still  I have seen more d3 position players go independant ball than the minors.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Hammer Ball on June 03, 2009, 10:02:49 am
D3 coaches/conferences might help their student-athletes realistically (keyword) interested in playing  professionally by having a conference scout day in the fall.  Selections might be difficult (i.e. political) but using the all-conference teams' returning players as a starting point, factoring in statistical leaders (top 10 in major catagories), not allowing incoming freshman to participate, etc...  may initiate the process.  If the conference rules allow of course.  The scouts would likely be very appreciative of the opportunity to make a single trip to see the better players in a conference.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: biggio34 on June 03, 2009, 10:18:51 am
Do not be surprised to see Adian Kummet's name get called on draft day from St. Scholastica. He's down in KC working out at Kaufmann for the Royals, and the Reds wanted him in Cinci to do the same. The Twins were also hot on the trail.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 03, 2009, 12:01:29 pm
Wow! great work. Can you say which of those players has a video available?
Bronson was the only one I saw with video (33 seconds).
Here's my list (another freebie, fellas), with links to stats. Add any I missed.
Avery (http://www.cortlandreddragons.com/custompages/baseball/2009stats/teamcume.htm), Cortland
Birdwell (http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/Baseball/Statistics/2009/HTML/teamcume.htm), Whitworth
Blanco (http://www.cortlandreddragons.com/custompages/baseball/2009stats/teamcume.htm), Cortland
Bronson (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Baseball/statistics/teamcume.htm), Trinity (TX)
Dott (http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/baseball/2009/teamcume.htm), Whitewater
Giovenco (http://npuvikings.homestead.com/Baseball09/teamcume.htm), North Park
Grant (http://www.lynchburg.edu/documents/Athletics/baseball/2009_Stats/teamcume.htm#TEAM.MLB), Lynchburg
Helms (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2008-2009/baseball/teamcume.htm), UT-Tyler
Holland (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2008-2009/baseball/teamcume.htm), UT-Tyler
Johnson (http://www.ascsports.org/sports/baseball/2009/ctx.htm#team.mlb), Concordia (TX)
Laganosky (http://www.haverford.edu/athletics/baseball/09stats/teamcume.htm), Haverford
Nolan (http://www.keanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/stats/teamcume.htm), Kean
O'Hara (http://www.rowanathletics.com/sports/2009/2/28/bbcume09.aspx?path=baseball), Rowan
Shelton (http://home.lagrange.edu/athletics/stats/Baseball/teamcume.htm), LaGrange
Tone (http://www.cortlandreddragons.com/custompages/baseball/2009stats/teamcume.htm), Cortland
Toth (http://www.tcnjathletics.com/custompages/2009%20Baseball%20Stats/teamcume.htm), TCNJ
Whiteman (http://www.muskingum.edu/home/athletics/baseball/stats.html), Muskingum
Whitenack (http://www.oldwestburypanthers.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/stats/teamcume.htm), Old Westbury

My understanding is these are the players for whom the MLB scouting bureau has filed a report so that the player has been assigned a number to be included in the draft.
 This summary does not include players scouted by individual teams where the report and draft number has been assigned at the request of the team.  In general, there is considerable duplication, but teams do indeed scout players that are missed by MLB's scouting bureau.
There are also players scouted who do not have a report filed and number assigned for the draft.  Players can only be drafted if their name has been provided to MLB and a draft number assigned by MLB.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 04, 2009, 02:22:43 pm
Yes the MLB scouting bureau does miss a lot of players. And Baseball America's draft map and state by state prospects lists include several players that no organizations are considering in the draft.

I think the sox took an arm in the 4th round last year that wasn't on a single list and they paid him 1 mil.

I would not be surprised if we don't start seeing D3 guys go till about rd 25, even with my earlier post with Tone and Angeloni - they could potentially start us off in the mid 20s.

The fact is that D3 players are low profile sr. signees. Does anyone out there know any players that might have a large profile (summer success and or heavily scouted juniors)?
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 04, 2009, 03:08:36 pm
"Yes the MLB scouting bureau does miss a lot of players. And Baseball America's draft map and state by state prospects lists include several players that no organizations are considering in the draft.

I think the sox took an arm in the 4th round last year that wasn't on a single list and they paid him 1 mil. "

DSK,  Wouldn't that player have been on some draft list for the scouting bureau or  team?
 In order to be drafted, the players name must be submitted to MLB in advance of the draft and the player must be assigned a draft number, even if he isn't drafted.
 Baseball America would not be submitting names to MLB.  I am confused when you say that 4th rounder was not on a single list.  He had to be on some list and had his name submitted in advance.  He could not have been drafted based on Baseball America listing him. Also, since the complete draft list isn't available anywhere, to my knowledge, I am uncertain why you would say the player was not on a single draft list when only someone in MLB would likely have access to the entire list...unless that is you! ;)
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 04, 2009, 04:07:29 pm

I would not be surprised if we don't start seeing D3 guys go till about rd 25, even with my earlier post with Tone and Angeloni - they could potentially start us off in the mid 20s.


I would not be surprised to see D-III players shut out in the first day but expect someone taken well before the 25th round.  I think only the first 7-10 rounds are done on the first day.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 04, 2009, 06:14:46 pm
"Yes the MLB scouting bureau does miss a lot of players. And Baseball America's draft map and state by state prospects lists include several players that no organizations are considering in the draft.

I think the sox took an arm in the 4th round last year that wasn't on a single list and they paid him 1 mil. "

DSK,  Wouldn't that player have been on some draft list for the scouting bureau or  team?
 In order to be drafted, the players name must be submitted to MLB in advance of the draft and the player must be assigned a draft number, even if he isn't drafted.
 Baseball America would not be submitting names to MLB.  I am confused when you say that 4th rounder was not on a single list.  He had to be on some list and had his name submitted in advance.  He could not have been drafted based on Baseball America listing him. Also, since the complete draft list isn't available anywhere, to my knowledge, I am uncertain why you would say the player was not on a single draft list when only someone in MLB would likely have access to the entire list...unless that is you! ;)


I was simply regurgitating a conversation i had with a sox scout today. I asked about the lack of some prospects that i know of in the MLB.com draft database and baseball america's lists. He responded with the anecdote of thier 4th rd draft pick who he said, "was on nobodies list and we signed im for 1 mil." He was giving me the impression that there are many holes in those databases not only for d3 prospects but also top round talent. What i mean by nobodies list is that no scouts put that players name in for the draft. Whether bird dog, area scout, or higher, no teams decided that this specific pitcher was going to be one of the names they would bring up in meetings as someone they should take at any point. That being said it makes sense that the sox had a report on this guy and they simply must have provided his name for the mlb. But again, he was on no one lses list - to be vague once again  :D

Jim,
sure, and of course that would be consistent with historical drafts and d3 players aside from the outliers like Zimmerman. Am i right to say that we usually see a name we recognize in about the 16th or 17th rd.

I believe these are your own updates from last year...

506. Frank Pfister, Emory by Cincinnati (17)
643. Adan Frost, St, Norbert by Detroit (21)
738. Nelson Gomez, Keystone by Arizona (24)
782. Shane Wolf, Ithaca by Houston (26)
699. Chick Huggins, UCSB by Toronto (23) - played at Trinty (Texas)
829. Tm Kiely, Trinity (Conn) by Arizona (27)

Notice Kiley taken later than expected in my book b/c he was simply dominant with that unbelievable statistic of only 1 walk (i think) leading to the world series and a 90mph fb to boot.

The polls have spoken and people think Bayer will be the first out of the box, but i equate Bayer and Kiley as having equally impressive and dominant seasons statistically yet i give Kiley the edge due to his MLB FB. So i caution anyone putting their money on the fact that Bayer would go higher than Kiley went last year b/c i think scouts told us how much they way dominant D3 #s in the decision process by letting Kiley hang around till the 27th.

Note again, Kiley did have Tjs his soph yr so he may have been higher on peoples boards sans an injury - he also through several times at Fenway for Boston leading up to the draft according to an article put out by his highschool. I just don't see Bayer that high stuff wise nor do i see him impressing too many in pre draft workouts. He is at his best getting batters out and pitching intelligently, not throwing in front scouts on guns. I think his #s and dominance will get him a shot, a late round shot.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 04, 2009, 07:14:31 pm
DSK,
One thing about scouts is they can be great story tellers and great at keeping the draft seem like a complete mystery, when they want to do that.
When our son was a DIII college junior/senior, I met and got to be in regular contact with a very well known and prominent scout on the West Coast.
When I asked Doug about the chances for a DIII kid to fall under the MLB radar for the draft, he laughed.
Doug's specific words were to the effect that scouts for MLB teams get paid to find the talent and if they don't, they get fired!!  Even though our son was in Texas, Doug assured me that even if the MLB bureau missed him, if he can play and was projectible, MLB team scouts would find him. 
It turned out Doug was correct.  For mid-week games, there were as many as 10-12 scouts/cross-checkers and almost always 1 or 2 present for an inning or two on weekends.
While there could be exceptions, the idea that every scout in an area, but one, missed a talent that went as high as the 4th round and got $1,000,000 means, in Doug's words, a lot of guys didn't do their job and should get fired. It could also be a scout telling that story, again. ;D
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 04, 2009, 08:40:11 pm
Well said. But i would be cautious in claiming that D3 players who can play and are projectable don't fly beneath the radar. Sounds like your son was very successful and fortunate, and no doubt he benefited from having a great baseball dad ;) But the simple fact is that i have seen plenty of players fly under the radar, and some of them were just scratching the surface of their potential. There have been too many D3 heartbreaks in my opinion, and i have watched many great players miss their opportunity largely b/c they are D3.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 04, 2009, 08:56:13 pm
DSK,
Dad didn't do anything except get in the way. ;D
Our son had a college coach that got him in the NECBL where he showed the level at which he could play.
The coach also started calling scouts the first Fall of his freshman year and arranging for all types of exposure.
Finally, he coached our son daily to be better and never accept that he could not get better.  To the credit of our son, he believed his coach, believed in himself and worked harder than I could ever imagine...and got better every day.
With all that said, after his junior year, he played in Newport and finished 2nd in hitting in the NECBL.  The scouts who saw him before and after noticed huge changes in his hand speed, confidence and aggressiveness and that gave some of them the assurance he still had considerable upside, which he proved after he got drafted.
I have no  doubt that some players get missed.  The system isn't perfect by any means.
I also know there are many players, very good players to the eyes of all of us, who do get scouted and don't get drafted.  Heck, I know for our son about 1/2 the scouts focused on why he couldn't succeed and the other half focused on why he could.
If players only have scouts seeing them who focus on what they can't do, which can be very easy at the DIII level, they surely won' get drafted. You need just one to see the upside and have the respect and credibility in his organization to sell the players he scouts to a group who trust the talent judgements and make the draft decisions.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 04, 2009, 09:01:17 pm
Amen
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: OshDude on June 04, 2009, 09:28:50 pm
The fact is that D3 players are low profile sr. signees. Does anyone out there know any players that might have a large profile (summer success and or heavily scouted juniors)?
I think Dott has a good chance of being that guy. Junior LHPs with his size and his potential stuff are usually gold. Plus, he's had plenty of success in the Northwoods League. If his offspeed stuff projects in scouts' minds, I wouldn't be surprised if Dott is the first D3 player selected.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 05, 2009, 05:36:24 am
Long day, heading to virginia for an 18U tourny...

Thats interesting, i would say more likely he is like bronson, drafted as a jr late - returns for sr. year and will get drafted again. we will see tho  ;)

What do people think about Zeb Engle? Great stuff, great kid, deserves a chance...

Who are the best D3 hitters going into the draft?
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: regent1 on June 05, 2009, 09:03:01 pm
Best hitters?  Drew Hedman, Pomona Pitzer, d3 player of the year, ABCA co player of the year
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 06, 2009, 03:00:24 am
You hit the ball out of the park with that one!
 How did i miss him?

Well of course i am looking for some other hitters who also had big years and summer success last year. I've been scanning the summer baseball blogs and trying to do some research but i wanted to open up this board to more discussion of hitters despite the fact that 60% of those drafted will be pitchers.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: baseballer88 on June 08, 2009, 06:47:23 pm
Can someone post the Baseball America state report for Illinois???
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: BaseballFan on June 08, 2009, 07:55:52 pm
The fact is that D3 players are low profile sr. signees. Does anyone out there know any players that might have a large profile (summer success and or heavily scouted juniors)?
I think Dott has a good chance of being that guy. Junior LHPs with his size and his potential stuff are usually gold. Plus, he's had plenty of success in the Northwoods League. If his offspeed stuff projects in scouts' minds, I wouldn't be surprised if Dott is the first D3 player selected.

Adian Kummet is another guy to look out for that was consistently 91 at the Royals workout last week and can top 94. Has a couple teams really looking hard at him. Also, had success in the Northwoods league.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: OshDude on June 08, 2009, 10:15:12 pm
Wow! great work. Can you say which of those players has a video available?
Bronson was the only one I saw with video (33 seconds).
Here's my list (another freebie, fellas), with links to stats. Add any I missed. The list is fluid – 70 players were added (Bartlinski was one) since I originally looked at DraftTracker.
Avery (http://www.cortlandreddragons.com/custompages/baseball/2009stats/teamcume.htm), Cortland
Bartlinski (http://www.keanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/stats/teamcume.htm), Kean
Birdwell (http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/Baseball/Statistics/2009/HTML/teamcume.htm), Whitworth
Blanco (http://www.cortlandreddragons.com/custompages/baseball/2009stats/teamcume.htm), Cortland
Bronson (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Baseball/statistics/teamcume.htm), Trinity (TX)
Dott (http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/baseball/2009/teamcume.htm), Whitewater
Giovenco (http://npuvikings.homestead.com/Baseball09/teamcume.htm), North Park
Grant (http://www.lynchburg.edu/documents/Athletics/baseball/2009_Stats/teamcume.htm#TEAM.MLB), Lynchburg
Helms (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2008-2009/baseball/teamcume.htm), UT-Tyler
Holland (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2008-2009/baseball/teamcume.htm), UT-Tyler
Johnson (http://www.ascsports.org/sports/baseball/2009/ctx.htm#team.mlb), Concordia (TX)
Laganosky (http://www.haverford.edu/athletics/baseball/09stats/teamcume.htm), Haverford
Nolan (http://www.keanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/stats/teamcume.htm), Kean
O'Hara (http://www.rowanathletics.com/sports/2009/2/28/bbcume09.aspx?path=baseball), Rowan
Shelton (http://home.lagrange.edu/athletics/stats/Baseball/teamcume.htm), LaGrange
Tone (http://www.cortlandreddragons.com/custompages/baseball/2009stats/teamcume.htm), Cortland
Toth (http://www.tcnjathletics.com/custompages/2009%20Baseball%20Stats/teamcume.htm), TCNJ
Whiteman (http://www.muskingum.edu/home/athletics/baseball/stats.html), Muskingum
Whitenack (http://www.oldwestburypanthers.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/stats/teamcume.htm), Old Westbury
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Dawgsdad on June 09, 2009, 10:58:16 am
Infielddad,

Good information. Our son completed a bureau package this year and I am being told that to get one means a lot. if I look at last years activity and compare to this year, I see basically one change and this is the bureau's request to complete a package.  The Nationals were hot on him last year and seem still interested this year as we are told that the area scout as well as cross-checkers have seen him in several games both at 3rd and as a pitcher.  The Rangers are also interested in him and I was told by one Ranger scout that if he gets the opportunity to draft him, he will... What all this means - I have no idea until it happens.

As for today, only rounds 1-3 will occur today. Rounds 4 through 25 will occur tomorrow. I will be dumbfounded it we see a D-III player taken in the first 3 rounds mainly because of the amount of focus that teams put on the D-I and High School players.

I also am somewhat amazed that some notable players from UT Tyler has signed (I'm sure that his isn't unusal and other players have done similar), Independent league contacts ahead of the draft. Do these players know something we don't? Why would you sign to play for a nonaffiliated team before the draft?
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: NWdad on June 09, 2009, 12:00:48 pm
Wow! great work. Can you say which of those players has a video available?
Bronson was the only one I saw with video (33 seconds).
Here's my list (another freebie, fellas), with links to stats. Add any I missed.
Avery (http://www.cortlandreddragons.com/custompages/baseball/2009stats/teamcume.htm), Cortland
Birdwell (http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/Baseball/Statistics/2009/HTML/teamcume.htm), Whitworth
Blanco (http://www.cortlandreddragons.com/custompages/baseball/2009stats/teamcume.htm), Cortland
Bronson (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Baseball/statistics/teamcume.htm), Trinity (TX)
Dott (http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/baseball/2009/teamcume.htm), Whitewater
Giovenco (http://npuvikings.homestead.com/Baseball09/teamcume.htm), North Park
Grant (http://www.lynchburg.edu/documents/Athletics/baseball/2009_Stats/teamcume.htm#TEAM.MLB), Lynchburg
Helms (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2008-2009/baseball/teamcume.htm), UT-Tyler
Holland (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2008-2009/baseball/teamcume.htm), UT-Tyler
Johnson (http://www.ascsports.org/sports/baseball/2009/ctx.htm#team.mlb), Concordia (TX)
Laganosky (http://www.haverford.edu/athletics/baseball/09stats/teamcume.htm), Haverford
Nolan (http://www.keanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/stats/teamcume.htm), Kean
O'Hara (http://www.rowanathletics.com/sports/2009/2/28/bbcume09.aspx?path=baseball), Rowan
Shelton (http://home.lagrange.edu/athletics/stats/Baseball/teamcume.htm), LaGrange
Tone (http://www.cortlandreddragons.com/custompages/baseball/2009stats/teamcume.htm), Cortland
Toth (http://www.tcnjathletics.com/custompages/2009%20Baseball%20Stats/teamcume.htm), TCNJ
Whiteman (http://www.muskingum.edu/home/athletics/baseball/stats.html), Muskingum
Whitenack (http://www.oldwestburypanthers.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/stats/teamcume.htm), Old Westbury

I  find it suspect that there are no west coast players on the list outside of Whitworth. Does someone have a reality check?
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: John McGraw on June 09, 2009, 12:17:04 pm
Infielddad,
I also am somewhat amazed that some notable players from UT Tyler has signed (I'm sure that his isn't unusal and other players have done similar), Independent league contacts ahead of the draft. Do these players know something we don't? Why would you sign to play for a nonaffiliated team before the draft?

I would imagine because the players in question figured they weren't going to be drafted. I'm sure that there's an out clause in their contracts but generally players that sign quickly with Frontier/Amer. Assoc./Can-Am/etc. teams believe that they're not going to be chosen so they want to get a leg up on their professional career. Chances are better of signing before the draft too since afterwards you'll have a glut of players looking for jobs that've been snapped up by players signing right out of school. Even then, just because they signed doesn't mean anything's a guarantee. Few years ago, Dale Curry out of Alvernia signed with a Frontier team and was cut maybe a week or two later. Same thing to Derek David, though I think David lasted just a few days.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 09, 2009, 01:32:03 pm
Wow! great work. Can you say which of those players has a video available?
Bronson was the only one I saw with video (33 seconds).
Here's my list (another freebie, fellas), with links to stats. Add any I missed.
Avery (http://www.cortlandreddragons.com/custompages/baseball/2009stats/teamcume.htm), Cortland
Birdwell (http://www.whitworth.edu/Athletics/Teams/Baseball/Statistics/2009/HTML/teamcume.htm), Whitworth
Blanco (http://www.cortlandreddragons.com/custompages/baseball/2009stats/teamcume.htm), Cortland
Bronson (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Baseball/statistics/teamcume.htm), Trinity (TX)
Dott (http://www.uwwsports.com/sports/baseball/2009/teamcume.htm), Whitewater
Giovenco (http://npuvikings.homestead.com/Baseball09/teamcume.htm), North Park
Grant (http://www.lynchburg.edu/documents/Athletics/baseball/2009_Stats/teamcume.htm#TEAM.MLB), Lynchburg
Helms (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2008-2009/baseball/teamcume.htm), UT-Tyler
Holland (http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/statistics/2008-2009/baseball/teamcume.htm), UT-Tyler
Johnson (http://www.ascsports.org/sports/baseball/2009/ctx.htm#team.mlb), Concordia (TX)
Laganosky (http://www.haverford.edu/athletics/baseball/09stats/teamcume.htm), Haverford
Nolan (http://www.keanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/stats/teamcume.htm), Kean
O'Hara (http://www.rowanathletics.com/sports/2009/2/28/bbcume09.aspx?path=baseball), Rowan
Shelton (http://home.lagrange.edu/athletics/stats/Baseball/teamcume.htm), LaGrange
Tone (http://www.cortlandreddragons.com/custompages/baseball/2009stats/teamcume.htm), Cortland
Toth (http://www.tcnjathletics.com/custompages/2009%20Baseball%20Stats/teamcume.htm), TCNJ
Whiteman (http://www.muskingum.edu/home/athletics/baseball/stats.html), Muskingum
Whitenack (http://www.oldwestburypanthers.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/stats/teamcume.htm), Old Westbury

I  find it suspect that there are no west coast players on the list outside of Whitworth. Does someone have a reality check?

NWDad,
The list that MLB puts on its draft tracker comes from the MLB scouting bureau.  It is not provded by MLB itself and certainly does not include each and every player who has had his name submitted and a number issued so he can be selected in the next 3 days.
There will be players on the draft tracker list who will not be selected and there will be players not on the list who will be selected.
However, despite all that players get told, only a few at the top really have any assurance. Once the draft starts, the players players not selected by the 10th round won't know where/when or if they will be selected. 
This is a time of considerable anxiety for the players who hope to hear their name called.  It is unfortunate it is now 3 days because of the publicity for the players selected today.
For everyone selected after about round 10, this is just an example of their future in Milb, if they do get their name called.  They will  hear over and over again that you focus and pay attention only to those things you can control, which is how you play, how you prepare and how you get yourself mentally ready.
Good luck to all those hoping to get a call by June 11.  It can be the beginning of a very challenging and fun and rewarding experience, no matter how long it lasts.
 From a DIII parent who got to see his son play in an All Star game filled with first round picks, it is a great feeling knowing that every DIII player earned his chance to get drafted and earned every day on the field after that, and wouldn't change a thing if they had that choice.
DIII players are very special and nothing changes about that by decisions made in the next 3 days.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: usmfan78 on June 09, 2009, 05:15:07 pm
yeah they definitly dont have all potential d iii picks. no love for the northeast's Anthony D'alfonso or shawn gilbair
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: KYGrizzly on June 10, 2009, 09:00:07 am
Infielddad,
I also am somewhat amazed that some notable players from UT Tyler has signed (I'm sure that his isn't unusal and other players have done similar), Independent league contacts ahead of the draft. Do these players know something we don't? Why would you sign to play for a nonaffiliated team before the draft?

I would imagine because the players in question figured they weren't going to be drafted. I'm sure that there's an out clause in their contracts but generally players that sign quickly with Frontier/Amer. Assoc./Can-Am/etc. teams believe that they're not going to be chosen so they want to get a leg up on their professional career. Chances are better of signing before the draft too since afterwards you'll have a glut of players looking for jobs that've been snapped up by players signing right out of school. Even then, just because they signed doesn't mean anything's a guarantee. Few years ago, Dale Curry out of Alvernia signed with a Frontier team and was cut maybe a week or two later. Same thing to Derek David, though I think David lasted just a few days.
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In my sons case last year when his name wasn't called out in the dratft he went and tried out for a team in the Frontier league. They like what they saw and told him to come back up the following week to pitch again when they had some others trying out. They told him that day they wanted to sign him but would have to make some roster adjustments and to show back up when they got back from a road trip. He signed with them on June 26 at 4:30 and was the starting pitcher for the game at 7:05 and got his first win in professional ball. He ended up @ 10 - 2 and is playing with the same team this year trying to get noticed and maybe get picked up with an affiliated team.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jcon8958 on June 10, 2009, 01:06:38 pm
First D-3 player goes off the board Robert whitenack for SUNY Old Westbury
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jcon8958 on June 10, 2009, 02:21:36 pm
Matthew Tone from SUNY CORTLAND goes off the board to the twins in the 14th round
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 10, 2009, 02:42:27 pm
Ryan Caven, who played at Chapman and transferred to US Santa Barbara was selected no 477 in the 16th round by the San Francisco Giants.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 10, 2009, 03:38:12 pm
A slow draft for D-III players.  Two taken in the first 20 rounds.  A little disappointing but 10 more rounds today and 20 tomorrow should net some more players.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: mr_b on June 10, 2009, 03:42:39 pm
Jack Walker, 3rd baseman from Concordia River Forest (IL), was selected by Washington in the 20th round.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 10, 2009, 04:18:49 pm
Michael Johnson, rhp, Concordia-Austin drafted by NY Mets in 24th round (N0. 734 overall)
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: mr_b on June 10, 2009, 04:26:27 pm
Mike Giovenco, RHP from North Park, was selected by Minnesota.  Congratulations, Mike!
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: mr_b on June 10, 2009, 04:28:39 pm
John Semel, Chapman, was also selected in the 26th round.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 10, 2009, 04:32:07 pm
Mike Giovenco, RHP from North Park, was selected by Minnesota.  Congratulations, Mike!

He's only a sophomore - I take it he must have taken a year off at some point?
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: mr_b on June 10, 2009, 04:34:52 pm
Mike Giovenco, RHP from North Park, was selected by Minnesota.  Congratulations, Mike!

He's only a sophomore - I take it he must have taken a year off at some point?
He was a redshirt freshman for a year at UIC.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 10, 2009, 04:37:05 pm
Mike Giovenco, RHP from North Park, was selected by Minnesota.  Congratulations, Mike!

He's only a sophomore - I take it he must have taken a year off at some point?

There was a draft eligible freshman in this years draft.

Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Bronko7 on June 10, 2009, 04:47:15 pm
Dan Kazrowsi  SS Hamline Univ.  Rd. 26 #786
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 10, 2009, 05:04:43 pm
Ryan Caven, who played at Chapman and transferred to US Santa Barbara was selected no 477 in the 16th round by the San Francisco Giants.

Jim,
Ryan Cavan actually was recruited to and started at Trinity, Tx.  He made1st team All SCAC before transferring to Chapman and then to UCSB.
Ryan comes from a very small high school in Northern CA and is the 3rd player from that school picked so far in the draft, others going in the 2nd and 10th round.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 10, 2009, 05:22:53 pm
Jeremiah bayer redsox 30th rd pic
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 10, 2009, 05:23:55 pm
Historymajor just reported that Evan Bronson from Trinity, Tx has been drafted again.  This time in the 28th round by Washington.
Congratulations!!!  Evan is outstanding and knows how to pitch.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 10, 2009, 09:01:28 pm
Robert Cummings was taken in the 28th round by the White Sox.  He last played for UC-Santa Barbara, but played for IWU as a freshman.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: BigPoppa on June 10, 2009, 10:44:19 pm
Mike Giovenco, RHP from North Park, was selected by Minnesota.  Congratulations, Mike!

He's only a sophomore - I take it he must have taken a year off at some point?

As a Carthage fan, I hope he signs and quits picking on our hitters :)
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: mr_b on June 11, 2009, 01:26:08 am
Mike Giovenco, RHP from North Park, was selected by Minnesota.  Congratulations, Mike!

He's only a sophomore - I take it he must have taken a year off at some point?

As a Carthage fan, I hope he signs and quits picking on our hitters :)
Actually I don't think he has worked more than an inning against Carthage.  We've played mid-week games and he pitches on the weekends.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: wordsmith on June 11, 2009, 08:34:51 am
With the 736 pick of the draft the Brewers take Peter Fatse, UCONN, brother of Western New England's Andrew Fatse.

With the 833 pick of the draft the Mariners take Regan Flaherty - Deering HS, number 2 son of University of Southern Maine Head Coach - Ed Flaherty. Ed's older son was a Comp-Sandwich pick of the Cubs last year and is currently in their minor league system afte having had a successful career at Vanderbilt. (Where his teammates were Pedro Alvarez (Pirates), and Red Sox killer David Price (Rays).)


Word  8)
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: OshDude on June 11, 2009, 10:12:25 am
Saw MLB added a short vid of Giovenco.
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?topic_id=4961152&content_id=4828057

Here's a nugget I saw on MLB.com in the Cubs' day-two roundup (Whitenack's notes are the longest).
In the 34-year history of the Draft, 25 Division III players have been selected in the first three rounds.

And here's Semel's bio nuggets on the Mets' day-two recap. Notice anything? Ah, D3 baseball ...
Semel hit .415 with 12 home runs and 51 RBIs while also saving nine games as the Cougars' closer.

EDIT: Video of Tone
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?topic_id=4961152&content_id=4847327

Video of Whitenack
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?topic_id=4961152&content_id=4863565
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 11, 2009, 10:39:19 am

Here's a nugget I saw on MLB.com in the Cubs' day-two roundup (Whitenack's notes are the longest).
In the 34-year history of the Draft, 25 Division III players have been selected in the first three rounds.


But you read it first on D3baseball.com. 
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: BaseballFan on June 11, 2009, 11:56:27 am
Adian Kummet Pitcher for St. Scholastica drafted 31st round by the Reds
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: BaseballFan on June 11, 2009, 12:26:51 pm
Adian Kummet Pitcher for St. Scholastica drafted 31st round by the Reds

Aaron Dott of Whitewater goes 20 picks later to Tampa Bay
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 11, 2009, 12:36:26 pm
Round 36: Southern Maine OF Chris Burleson is taken by Cincinnati (No. 1079 overall)less than 5 seconds ago from web
   

and only of personal interest, our guest last summer, Jake Dunning, Indiana was selected by SF at No. 987
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 11, 2009, 12:40:39 pm
Oh and David Iden too:

The Los Angeles Dodgers select Cal Lutheran's Davis Iden, 2B in round 35, 1057 overall.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 11, 2009, 01:01:48 pm
In round 40, RHP, David Sarisky, Oglethorpe.

14 players selected through 40 rounds.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 11, 2009, 01:28:46 pm
RHP Chris Handke, Cornell (Iowa) selected in the 41st round


Summary of those selected on the last day:
  929. Adrian, Kummet, St. Scholastica, rhp, Cincinnati (31)
  949. Aaron Dott, UW-Whitewater, lhp, Tampa Bay (31)
1057. David Iden, Cal Lutheran, 2b, Los Angeles NL (35)
1079. Chris Burleson, Southern Maine, of, Cincinnati (36)
1211. David Sarisky, Oglethorpe, rhp, Houston (39)
1237. Chris Handke, Cornell, rhp, Los Angeles (41)
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: RSSmith on June 11, 2009, 02:25:21 pm
McDaniel's Harold Baines taken by the White Sox in Round 45 (1363rd player drafted).
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: RSSmith on June 11, 2009, 02:36:03 pm
UTT's Brett Holland goes to the Padres in Round 49 (1464th overall).
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: hbp on June 11, 2009, 02:40:02 pm
Someone take Drew Hedman.  I thought he would go in the first 25 rounds...
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: RSSmith on June 11, 2009, 02:51:33 pm
Someone take Drew Hedman.  I thought he would go in the first 25 rounds...

Red Sox just took him with the 1518 pick.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 11, 2009, 02:57:33 pm
Someone take Drew Hedman.  I thought he would go in the first 25 rounds...

For anyone who thinks MLB scouts can translate DIII competition to Milb for position players, this pick at #1518 surely should provide answers.  It remains very, very difficult for position players to get drafted because how they perform cannot be measured on a gun. How they perform at a DIII level just does not translate or project to playing Milb, for those who get paid to make those decisions.
Congratulations to all the DIII players/pitchers selected.  Let's hope there are more who get free agent looks and sign very soon.   
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: RSSmith on June 11, 2009, 04:49:54 pm
Boston drafted both Bayer and Hedman (d3baseball's pitcher and player of the year), so it seems that at least the Red Sox scouts agree with the d3 baseball gurus.  I hope both those guys have tremendous success because (1.) I'm a Red Sox fan, and (2.) it will justify how d3baseball sees its own.  Good luck to Jeremiah and Drew.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: wartburgalum on June 11, 2009, 05:01:55 pm
Someone take Drew Hedman.  I thought he would go in the first 25 rounds...

For anyone who thinks MLB scouts can translate DIII competition to Milb for position players, this pick at #1518 surely should provide answers.  It remains very, very difficult for position players to get drafted because how they perform cannot be measured on a gun. How they perform at a DIII level just does not translate or project to playing Milb, for those who get paid to make those decisions.
Congratulations to all the DIII players/pitchers selected.  Let's hope there are more who get free agent looks and sign very soon.   

I think that an even better gauge of how well scouts do with evaluating talent would be to look at the selection of the Angels in round 41 of Chris Handke of Cornell.  Career ERA of 10.12 with a whopping 21 IP and 11 Ks and 25 walks.  I congratulate the kid and all but I would have to think that there are probably, oh I don't know, at least a thousand more deserving players to at least be given the opportunity of saying they have been drafted.  Can someone please explain to me how something like this can happen. 
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2009, 05:04:56 pm
Someone take Drew Hedman.  I thought he would go in the first 25 rounds...

For anyone who thinks MLB scouts can translate DIII competition to Milb for position players, this pick at #1518 surely should provide answers.  It remains very, very difficult for position players to get drafted because how they perform cannot be measured on a gun. How they perform at a DIII level just does not translate or project to playing Milb, for those who get paid to make those decisions.
Congratulations to all the DIII players/pitchers selected.  Let's hope there are more who get free agent looks and sign very soon.   

I think that an even better gauge of how well scouts do with evaluating talent would be to look at the selection of the Angels in round 41 of Chris Handke of Cornell.  Career ERA of 10.12 with a whopping 21 IP and 11 Ks and 25 walks.  I congratulate the kid and all but I would have to think that there are probably, oh I don't know, at least a thousand more deserving players to at least be given the opportunity of saying they have been drafted.  Can someone please explain to me how something like this can happen. 

My guess would be it was a favor to someone.  A couple of years ago the White Sox spent a low draft pick on Ozzie Guillen's son - the kid didn't even play varsity at North Park!
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: old scot on June 11, 2009, 05:31:25 pm
With those stats, definitely a favor to someone. The only player I can recall who succeeded in that scenario is Mike Piazza. Lasorda ( Dodgers) drafted him in the 62nd round in1988 because he and his father were friends.
Mike parlayed his shot into a MLB debut in 1992 and Rookie of the Year in 1993 and what I would assume to be Hall of Fame career.
Scouts can measure speed, arm strength, etc......... but not heart and desire. It makes you wonder how many players fall through the cracks. Maybe players don't measure up on the clock or the radar gun but, possess the drive, desire, and knowledge to succeed in this game.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 11, 2009, 05:32:31 pm
Someone take Drew Hedman.  I thought he would go in the first 25 rounds...

For anyone who thinks MLB scouts can translate DIII competition to Milb for position players, this pick at #1518 surely should provide answers.  It remains very, very difficult for position players to get drafted because how they perform cannot be measured on a gun. How they perform at a DIII level just does not translate or project to playing Milb, for those who get paid to make those decisions.
Congratulations to all the DIII players/pitchers selected.  Let's hope there are more who get free agent looks and sign very soon.   

I think that an even better gauge of how well scouts do with evaluating talent would be to look at the selection of the Angels in round 41 of Chris Handke of Cornell.  Career ERA of 10.12 with a whopping 21 IP and 11 Ks and 25 walks.  I congratulate the kid and all but I would have to think that there are probably, oh I don't know, at least a thousand more deserving players to at least be given the opportunity of saying they have been drafted.  Can someone please explain to me how something like this can happen. 

My guess would be it was a favor to someone.  A couple of years ago the White Sox spent a low draft pick on Ozzie Guillen's son - the kid didn't even play varsity at North Park!
Or another Wartburg-hater trying to raise the ire of Wartburg alums across the nation.   :D
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 11, 2009, 05:55:12 pm
Someone take Drew Hedman.  I thought he would go in the first 25 rounds...

For anyone who thinks MLB scouts can translate DIII competition to Milb for position players, this pick at #1518 surely should provide answers.  It remains very, very difficult for position players to get drafted because how they perform cannot be measured on a gun. How they perform at a DIII level just does not translate or project to playing Milb, for those who get paid to make those decisions.
Congratulations to all the DIII players/pitchers selected.  Let's hope there are more who get free agent looks and sign very soon.   

I think that an even better gauge of how well scouts do with evaluating talent would be to look at the selection of the Angels in round 41 of Chris Handke of Cornell.  Career ERA of 10.12 with a whopping 21 IP and 11 Ks and 25 walks.  I congratulate the kid and all but I would have to think that there are probably, oh I don't know, at least a thousand more deserving players to at least be given the opportunity of saying they have been drafted.  Can someone please explain to me how something like this can happen. 

Interesting views and this could well be a favor pick..or something else.
Two examples come immediately to mind:  in 2002, our son played at Mill City in the NECBL.  That team had some fine players and competed well. I believe they had 6-7 drafted.  One who was not drafted was their best pitcher.  He was really good, was an NECBL All Star after having finished a terrific season as the Friday starter at URI.
To my knowledge, there are two players from that team still playing and both are at AAA, with very occasional visits to MLB.  One was the top pick in the 2008 Rule V draft.
If you went back to the stats for that 2002 team, you would find each of those  players had the least impressive stats for that Summer.  However, one was a 6'6" catcher with a cannon for an arm and one was a 6'9" pitcher who had no velocity.  Both are now pitchers and both have done well.
Hard to figure sometimes.  ???
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2009, 06:13:10 pm
Yeah, if he's not Scott Boras's nephew ( :D), another possibility is that he throws in the upper 90s, but is not yet a pitcher.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: slick on June 11, 2009, 06:17:03 pm
Boston drafted both Bayer and Hedman (d3baseball's pitcher and player of the year), so it seems that at least the Red Sox scouts agree with the d3 baseball gurus.  I hope both those guys have tremendous success because (1.) I'm a Red Sox fan, and (2.) it will justify how d3baseball sees its own.  Good luck to Jeremiah and Drew.

I got to know one of the minority owners of the Red Sox when both of our sons played for Trinity. He was talking about a current MiL'er drafted by Boston when he went to Trinity, so this is a fact. The BoSox and some other teams take some kids not only for their BB talent, or to fill rosters, but see them as a possible "organization" prospect that can move into management and have that invaluable playing experience on their resume. If you look around front offices, the NESCAC for one is well represented, and Pomona- Pitzer is a highly regarded school.
This particular Trinity player is currently at AAA and was the Red Sox minor league offensive player of the year in '07.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 11, 2009, 06:22:52 pm
slick,
I assume you are talking about Jeff Natale who was/is a terrific player. He not only played well at DIII, he did extremely well in the NECBL.  That was a year two of the top hitters in the NECBL came from DIII teams and both ended up getting drafted and doing very well in Milb.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: RSSmith on June 11, 2009, 06:26:39 pm
Yeah, if he's not Scott Boras's nephew ( :D), another possibility is that he throws in the upper 90s, but is not yet a pitcher.

Wasn't it last year that Boras's kid got drafted by the Cardinals when he didn't even star on his high school team?  A lot of legacy action in the late rounds.  Harold Baines was a decent enough outfielder at McDaniel, but there's no way the kid gets drafted if his name is "Smith".  I'm not sure that's a real favor to the kids, but that's a subject for another thread.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: slick on June 11, 2009, 06:33:33 pm
Infield Dad;  Yes, I'm referring to Jeff. First class young man, a born leader.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 11, 2009, 06:38:37 pm
Infield Dad;  Yes, I'm referring to Jeff. First class young man, a born leader.

You would know.  I have only seen him play against my son in the NECBL and a couple of times in Milb but I can verify he is a very good hitter and it does not matter much who is pitching.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: mr_b on June 11, 2009, 06:59:28 pm
A couple of years ago the White Sox spent a low draft pick on Ozzie Guillen's son - the kid didn't even play varsity at North Park!

Oney Guillen played in 40 of 41 games for North Park in 2006.  Click here (http://www.cadillac76.com/baseball/history/careerAZ/guillen_oney.html) to see his career stats.

His brother, Ozzie, Jr., appeared in 10 games for the Vikings in 2005.  Click here (http://www.cadillac76.com/baseball/history/careerAZ/guillen_ozzie.html) to view his career stats.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2009, 07:06:02 pm
A couple of years ago the White Sox spent a low draft pick on Ozzie Guillen's son - the kid didn't even play varsity at North Park!

Oney Guillen played in 40 of 41 games for North Park in 2006.  Click here (http://www.cadillac76.com/baseball/history/careerAZ/guillen_oney.html) to see his career stats.

His brother, Ozzie, Jr., appeared in 10 games for the Vikings in 2005.  Click here (http://www.cadillac76.com/baseball/history/careerAZ/guillen_ozzie.html) to view his career stats.

Yes, Oney's stats are certainly draft-worthy!  I was referring to 2007, the year he was drafted - he wasn't even on the roster. ;)

[And I'm not seeking to mock the young man - I'm sure I couldn't hit even .227! ;D  It's just the way the late-round draft game is often played.]
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2009, 07:52:52 pm
Yeah, if he's not Scott Boras's nephew ( :D), another possibility is that he throws in the upper 90s, but is not yet a pitcher.

Wasn't it last year that Boras's kid got drafted by the Cardinals when he didn't even star on his high school team?  A lot of legacy action in the late rounds.  Harold Baines was a decent enough outfielder at McDaniel, but there's no way the kid gets drafted if his name is "Smith".  I'm not sure that's a real favor to the kids, but that's a subject for another thread.

Just in case 'another thread' doesn't materialize, I'll make one comment. :D

If a kid is borderline (or has some other attributes; with Harold Baines, a hope that genes will eventually manifest themselves?), I'd think getting drafted would be an 'honor' and appreciated.  If I were Scott Boras's son, or Oney Guillen, I think I'd be insulted at the 'pity pick'.  But I guess it's always a crap shoot on how 'kids' will respond.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: pomonaalum on June 11, 2009, 09:03:47 pm
Other Pomona kids drafted in the past have included Jase Turner - 27th round in '05 and Jose Cortez - 44th round in '02.  Hedman had better numbers than both, but obviously lots of variables.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2009, 10:12:51 pm
Just saw a post on the IIAC board that the Cornell kid (Handke) that started the discussion is 6'11"! :o

Anyone else remember how little potential Randy Johnson seemed to have before age 26 or so? ;)

Sounds like someone taking a flyer on a 'project'.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: mr_b on June 11, 2009, 10:30:10 pm
Just saw a post on the IIAC board that the Cornell kid (Handke) that started the discussion is 6'11"! :o

Anyone else remember how little potential Randy Johnson seemed to have before age 26 or so? ;)

Sounds like someone taking a flyer on a 'project'.
All they have in common is height.  Based on previous postings, it looks like Handke's career stats would not merit a look from any scout (10.00 career ERA in limited mound time). Johnson, on the other hand, was a fairly seasoned pitcher when he was drafted -- 67 games, 243 innings, 16-12 record, 206 Ks, 4.66 ERA, at the DI level.  There is no comparison.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on June 11, 2009, 10:43:57 pm
Just saw a post on the IIAC board that the Cornell kid (Handke) that started the discussion is 6'11"! :o

Anyone else remember how little potential Randy Johnson seemed to have before age 26 or so? ;)

Sounds like someone taking a flyer on a 'project'.
All they have in common is height.  Based on previous postings, it looks like Handke's career stats would not merit a look from any scout (10.00 career ERA in limited mound time). Johnson, on the other hand, was a fairly seasoned pitcher when he was drafted -- 67 games, 243 innings, 16-12 record, 206 Ks, 4.66 ERA, at the DI level.  There is no comparison.

Agreed.  But late round picks are a whole different ballgame.

And as the (basketball) cliche goes: you can't teach height. ;D
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: carthage88fan on June 11, 2009, 11:27:23 pm
A couple of years ago the White Sox spent a low draft pick on Ozzie Guillen's son - the kid didn't even play varsity at North Park!

Oney Guillen played in 40 of 41 games for North Park in 2006.  Click here (http://www.cadillac76.com/baseball/history/careerAZ/guillen_oney.html) to see his career stats.

His brother, Ozzie, Jr., appeared in 10 games for the Vikings in 2005.  Click here (http://www.cadillac76.com/baseball/history/careerAZ/guillen_ozzie.html) to view his career stats.

Yes, Oney's stats are certainly draft-worthy!  I was referring to 2007, the year he was drafted - he wasn't even on the roster. ;)

[And I'm not seeking to mock the young man - I'm sure I couldn't hit even .227! ;D  It's just the way the late-round draft game is often played.]

i saw oney play a couple of times that year, couldn't hit a lick,
but, boy, could he run


you can't teach speed



i seem to recollect that his old man was a slap-hitting base stealer, too
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: RSSmith on June 12, 2009, 06:50:23 am
Just saw a post on the IIAC board that the Cornell kid (Handke) that started the discussion is 6'11"! :o

Anyone else remember how little potential Randy Johnson seemed to have before age 26 or so? ;)

Sounds like someone taking a flyer on a 'project'.

Also, he went to Cornell as a catcher.  I think you're right--very big, athletic kid worth a late round pick.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: RSSmith on June 12, 2009, 07:35:31 am
More on Chris Handke.

http://www.qctimes.com/sports/baseball/article_b2cfea24-56e2-11de-844c-001cc4c03286.html
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: RSSmith on June 12, 2009, 07:36:39 am
Just saw a post on the IIAC board that the Cornell kid (Handke) that started the discussion is 6'11"! :o

Anyone else remember how little potential Randy Johnson seemed to have before age 26 or so? ;)

Sounds like someone taking a flyer on a 'project'.

Also, he went to Cornell as a catcher.  I think you're right--very big, athletic kid worth a late round pick.

My bad.  He went to Cornell as a basketball player and the "C" beside his name obviously meant "center" and not "catcher".
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: wartburgalum on June 12, 2009, 09:59:57 am
Someone take Drew Hedman.  I thought he would go in the first 25 rounds...

For anyone who thinks MLB scouts can translate DIII competition to Milb for position players, this pick at #1518 surely should provide answers.  It remains very, very difficult for position players to get drafted because how they perform cannot be measured on a gun. How they perform at a DIII level just does not translate or project to playing Milb, for those who get paid to make those decisions.
Congratulations to all the DIII players/pitchers selected.  Let's hope there are more who get free agent looks and sign very soon.   

I think that an even better gauge of how well scouts do with evaluating talent would be to look at the selection of the Angels in round 41 of Chris Handke of Cornell.  Career ERA of 10.12 with a whopping 21 IP and 11 Ks and 25 walks.  I congratulate the kid and all but I would have to think that there are probably, oh I don't know, at least a thousand more deserving players to at least be given the opportunity of saying they have been drafted.  Can someone please explain to me how something like this can happen. 

My guess would be it was a favor to someone.  A couple of years ago the White Sox spent a low draft pick on Ozzie Guillen's son - the kid didn't even play varsity at North Park!
Or another Wartburg-hater trying to raise the ire of Wartburg alums across the nation.   :D

Love it.  Thanks for laugh.  At least it makes sense now.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: wartburgalum on June 12, 2009, 10:07:46 am
I am not trying to come across as bitter or anything like that.  I just cant stand how much BS plays into the draft game.  I suppose this is why I would never hack it as a scout.  Call me crazy but I think the notion of "because you have a big frame which could lead to some potential I am going to take a chance" does not make much sense.  I would rather use that late pick on a kid who has had to work hard and is a winner, especially when the talent level is there.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 12, 2009, 12:20:51 pm
I am not trying to come across as bitter or anything like that.  I just cant stand how much BS plays into the draft game.  I suppose this is why I would never hack it as a scout.  Call me crazy but I think the notion of "because you have a big frame which could lead to some potential I am going to take a chance" does not make much sense.  I would rather use that late pick on a kid who has had to work hard and is a winner, especially when the talent level is there.

One thing  you quickly learn if your son plays Milb is that it is all business.  For the Teams and those that head their minor league system, they really don't care much about the past.  What they care about is what can you produce in the future or what  they project you might produce in the future.
A big frame and potential is part of what MLB scouting and drafting is all about.
A player can be a very hard worker, and a winner, and have produced big numbers at the DIII level, but if he does not project at the next level, it is very hard for him to get drafted.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: chakote on June 12, 2009, 02:56:27 pm
I am not trying to come across as bitter or anything like that.  I just cant stand how much BS plays into the draft game.  I suppose this is why I would never hack it as a scout.  Call me crazy but I think the notion of "because you have a big frame which could lead to some potential I am going to take a chance" does not make much sense.  I would rather use that late pick on a kid who has had to work hard and is a winner, especially when the talent level is there.

One thing  you quickly learn if your son plays Milb is that it is all business.  For the Teams and those that head their minor league system, they really don't care much about the past.  What they care about is what can you produce in the future or what  they project you might produce in the future.
A big frame and potential is part of what MLB scouting and drafting is all about.
A player can be a very hard worker, and a winner, and have produced big numbers at the DIII level, but if he does not project at the next level, it is very hard for him to get drafted.

well said infieldad
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: BigPoppa on June 15, 2009, 09:58:37 am
Chakote- Any word on Kitchens yet? I assume he will sign with somebody soon, even if he not fully ready to go yet. Too good of a talent to not play somewhere.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: chakote on June 15, 2009, 12:43:22 pm
Chakote- Any word on Kitchens yet? I assume he will sign with somebody soon, even if he not fully ready to go yet. Too good of a talent to not play somewhere.

no not yet we are still waiting and playing the waiting game, Dr. Yokem is saying strain and PT should fix it. so it is very disheartining playing the waiting game. Any suggestions????
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 15, 2009, 05:56:48 pm
Call every scout and their boss. Constantly remind teams of
Ur self. Ask to b onthe short list for post draft pitchers. And good luck
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: DSKSlugger on June 16, 2009, 08:28:05 pm
Chez Angeloni RHP Johns Hopkins was signed by the Boston Red Sox. He will be headed to Florida to play in the Golf coast League.

Jeremiah Bayer is currently with the red sox. Former enemies, Bayer beat Angeloni's bluejays in the national championship in 08, Angeloni ruined Trinity's perfect season and the bluejays nearly took that series - they will likely be teammates at some point.

Good luck to both.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: RSSmith on June 17, 2009, 10:05:13 am
On the General New England Discussion board, EasternCtFan posted the following:
According to... http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ros&cid=558&stn=true&sid=t558
The lowell spinners will have jerimiah bayer, sean killeen, and thomas di benedetto all playing for them this summer along with player of the year drew hedman from pomona-pitzer college (ca).

Congrats to Killeen and Di Benedetto, and bravo to the Red Sox for signing so many d3 guys!
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 23, 2009, 07:59:15 pm
Jordan Crystal signed a professional baseball contract with Texarkana Gunslingers on June 3rd.

Has made 2 starts and has a 2.69 ERA in 9.2 innings of work. 14 K's, 4 hits, 3 earned runs, 4 BB.

Texarkanaprobaseball.com.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: rjburke on June 24, 2009, 11:23:36 pm
Also playing with Jordan is Justin Arminger (Salisbury) and Bryan Burke (Kean).
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: oldcat on June 25, 2009, 04:09:49 am
according to my sources, Semel has signed and is now in Tennessee.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 25, 2009, 10:55:41 am
John Semel(Chapman) - Kingsport Mets in Tennessee

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=573153
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 26, 2009, 12:18:14 pm
The Jackson, MS Clarion-Ledger had a good story today about tryout camps and the long odds of actually getting signed when going this route.  The story talks about Hunter Owen of Millsaps quite a bit.  The reality in Hunter's case is that he is 23 and he has an MBA from an outstanding school--if you were a scout would you sign a guy like that to make it as a longshot or a guy who doesn't have many options outside of baseball?

I was thinking about Oglethorpe sophomore pitcher Daniel Sarisky when reading this article.  He was drafted in the 40th round by Houston and he signed a contract.  Would his status have improved by pitching another year of D3 ball?  I don't think so--he would have been another year older, another year closer to a college degree, and he would have lost a year of minor league development.  It seems like a guy in D3 who really wants to take his best shot at major league baseball has to be willing to leave school early and come back for that degree if things don't work out in pro baseball.

Link to story:  http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20090626/SPORTS02/906260333/1287/SPORTS/Odds+remain+long+at+this+field+of+dreams&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: rjburke on June 26, 2009, 05:01:51 pm
Probably true, but I think character and brains are underrated assets by MLB scouts and front offices. Whether a different type of player would reduce attendance is unknown and never to be known because the selection mind set seems unlikely to change. Though I do think we will see more baseball players with legal and social troubles akin to those of football and basketball players.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: dgilblair on June 26, 2009, 07:57:22 pm
I agree that some scouts may not see the whole picture when looking at players but I'm not to sure they care to much about the other stuff like character as much as people think.  They may talk a good game but if you are a talent they will overlook alot, I think anyway.  Many as fans will overlook cheating by the pros, whether it is spitballs or corked bats and even steriods if they like you. Case and point cheater Manny has single handedly given New Mexico a stimulus package and he is a bonafide cheater no doubt and they love him.  Now Bonds has been dis-liked all his career by many so it was easy for fans and MLB  to make a goat out of him.  Manny is just being Manny which is what I think is killing baseball, well maybe thats a little strong, lets just say I think manny being manny is whats wrong with baseball these days.  I know others do some of the same but he is a..........cheating, quiting, no good guy and people still love him.  I guess it is a bigger reflection of the baseball society more than anything.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: oldcat on July 21, 2009, 06:52:04 pm
Due to a right pec tear Kitchens is still unsigned and unable to throw a baseball.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Purple Heys on July 22, 2009, 12:54:25 am
Due to a right pec tear Kitchens is still unsigned and unable to throw a baseball.

Seems a rather straightforward diagnosis for something that I heard was otherwise baffling folks as to what was wrong...I hope this is encouraging news.

Does this mean his prognosis for full recovery is high.  Are the chances better than say...a labrum injury or rotator cuff or ligament damage?

How long will recovery take?

Would be nice to see Wayde come all the way back and get a shot at joining former VHS teammate T. K-hill in the bigs...  :)

That'd make it two OVLL kids in the Show.   8)
(Even if he was a Blue Jay)  ;)
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: oldcat on July 27, 2009, 04:20:22 am
Kitchens has been going to physical therapy for the past 6 weeks and will get a timeline on throwing next week. It's not a full tear, the tendon looks good but since it is pure muscular Yocum said that surgery is not advised.

Other injuries like this have taken up 18 months to recover.

Yes, he was a bluejay, but at least he wasn't a Giant.

Kitchens and Cahill are good friends so it would be a unbelievable if they became teammates.
Title: Re: BB: D3 draft picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Purple Heys on July 29, 2009, 04:03:22 pm
This sounds like good news then...good luck to Wayde on his rehab.
Title: Potential D3 Draftees in 2010
Post by: Hammer Ball on May 08, 2010, 10:40:50 pm
If appropriate, how about listing D3 players who might be drafted this year.  While I am more interested in players that might be drafted, i.e. because they were followed pretty closely and/or have had more than passing contact with scouts, rather than players that, in one posters opinion, should be drafted, as long as an explanation/qualifier is given, either would be entertaining.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Hammer Ball on May 13, 2010, 09:58:08 pm
From BA  -

David Filak, rhp, Oneonta State (N.Y.)

Filak has a fresh, explosive arm; he did not pitch in high school and walked on at Oneonta State as a catcher. He was quickly converted to the mound, where he led all Division III pitchers in strikeouts per nine innings (14.86) and fewest hits allowed per nine innings (5.07) as a sophomore last year. Scouts were buzzing about Filak after he ran his fastball up to 95 mph and flashed a plus-plus 83 mph spike curveball in his 2010 debut in Vero Beach, but he exited his third start of the season after just two innings because of elbow stiffness, which caused him to miss his next outing. He did not show quite as much velocity after returning to action, but he still posted a dominant season, going 8-0, 1.82 with 96 strikeouts and 16 walks through 59 innings. Filak's fastball settled in at 90-93 mph, and he still regularly flashed a plus curveball with 12-to-6 break in the 77-80 range. Filak did not learn to throw a changeup until last fall, and the pitch is a work in progress. Filak has a physical, athletic 6-foot-5, 220-pound frame, and he could still add velocity as he learns to make better use of his lower half in his delivery.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Hammer Ball on May 17, 2010, 01:51:23 pm
From BA (2009) - pick no. 792 by Minnesota  did not sign

Righthander Mike Giovenco attracted scouts to North Park, an NCAA Division III school with an enrollment of 3,000, when he touched 95 mph early in the year. The 6-foot-6, 235-pounder's velocity steadily declined to the high 80s by the end of the season, but his arm strength and size are attractive. Giovenco, who redshirted at Illinois-Chicago in 2007, needs to come up with a more consistent breaking ball. He throws both a slider and a curveball, as well as a changeup. There's some concern that his delivery puts stress on his shoulder.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Mikewink64 on May 18, 2010, 11:16:09 pm
I got to Watch Mike Giovenco Pitch Earlier This Year In Chicago, When He Went Head to Head Against Tj Wink of UW Superior Wisconsin.. Mike Is a Bigger Guy With Good fastball,There Were Scout's in the Stand's from The Brewer's & the Padre's.. He pitched ok. But Was OUT done By Tj Wink & UW Superior. Wink IS a 6'4" // 180 lbs LHP.. Who Throw's High 80's low 90's fastball , but his best pitch is His Nasty Curveball .. So Sometimes You Just never know, Who should be Drafted & Who Does Get Drafted.. YellowJacket Pride.. 
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: carthage88fan on May 18, 2010, 11:46:56 pm
From BA (2009) - pick no. 792 by Minnesota  did not sign

Righthander Mike Giovenco attracted scouts to North Park, an NCAA Division III school with an enrollment of 3,000, when he touched 95 mph early in the year. The 6-foot-6, 235-pounder's velocity steadily declined to the high 80s by the end of the season, but his arm strength and size are attractive. Giovenco, who redshirted at Illinois-Chicago in 2007, needs to come up with a more consistent breaking ball. He throws both a slider and a curveball, as well as a changeup. There's some concern that his delivery puts stress on his shoulder.


sat behind a couple of scouts (directly behind home plate) when carthage pounded him for 10 runs. was not impressed with giovenco's "body language" at all.

just my take.
Title: D3 players in MLB draft 2010
Post by: knj329 on May 30, 2010, 02:53:30 pm
Where do you see James Wood Trinity (CT) OF .....New England Intercollegiate player of the year  2010...NECBL 2009 player of the year...hit .441/ 13 HR/ 42 RBI / .881 slg % / .504 op %   going in the draft next week if at all?
Title: Re: D3 players in MLB draft 2010
Post by: BigPoppa on May 30, 2010, 08:07:23 pm
Where do you see James Wood Trinity (CT) OF .....New England Intercollegiate player of the year  2010...NECBL 2009 player of the year...hit .441/ 13 HR/ 42 RBI / .881 slg % / .504 op %   going in the draft next week if at all?

On average, only 10-20 D3 players get drafted at all. I am not sure where he will fall. Every year, there are D3 guys no one has ever heard of drafted and the top D3 players sit home waiting for the phone to ring.
Title: Re: D3 players in MLB draft 2010
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 30, 2010, 10:01:30 pm
Where do you see James Wood Trinity (CT) OF .....New England Intercollegiate player of the year  2010...NECBL 2009 player of the year...hit .441/ 13 HR/ 42 RBI / .881 slg % / .504 op %   going in the draft next week if at all?

On average, only 10-20 D3 players get drafted at all. I am not sure where he will fall. Every year, there are D3 guys no one has ever heard of drafted and the top D3 players sit home waiting for the phone to ring.


Of those drafted are most position players or pitchers. I know the 2008 & 2009 National Players Of the Year. One went in the last round and one went undrafted.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on May 31, 2010, 02:14:17 pm
The majority of those drafted from DIII are pitchers.
As Ralph posted, an average of about 20 are selected each year.
Having followed the numbers back to 2002, I would judge the number of pitchers each year to be around 12(plus/minus) as contrasted with position players being around 8(plus/minus).
When we look at the list of players in MLB/Milb that OshDude  has posted, the pitcher vs position player balance becomes far more clear.  Many more pitchers than position players in Milb/Mlb.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: rob on June 06, 2010, 07:54:43 pm
With the draft starting tomorrow, any more thoughts on specific D3 players that could get the call??
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Hot Rod Runnin on June 07, 2010, 11:50:40 am
I think in the New York Region there is 4 or 5 potential draft picks.
Filak of course and then 4 players from Cortland--Andersen Gardner, Travis Ratliff, Stephen Nickel, Kyle Dimino.

I'd say of those 5 there is only one shoe in and thats Filak...probably a top 6 round guy.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 07, 2010, 12:13:59 pm
I just did a very quick and cursory overview on MLB Draft Tracker and the 1,500 or so players listed through the MLB Scouting Bureau.
Hopefully I  missed some in the scan because it cannot be done by DIII as a division. I could only find Filak and Kelson Brown of Linfield listed.
Just located a few more:
Van Horn from Wooster;
Bartilinski from Kean;
Gregory from Kean;
Versnick from UW Whitewater.
Hopefully others can find players I missed.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Just Bill on June 07, 2010, 12:40:53 pm
I just found these additional ones in the MLB Draft Tracker...

Logan Chitwood, Texas-Tyler
Michael Giovenco, North Park
Jeremy Hazen, Anderson (Ind.)
Christopher Jarrett, Anderson (Ind.)
Victor Lara, Keystone
Aiden Lucas, Denison
Nicholas Nolan, Kean
Zach Rafferty, Anna Maria
Robert Shelton, La Grange
William Watt, Pacific Lutheran
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 07, 2010, 07:34:29 pm
The names of D-III players in MLB Draft Tracker

Joe Bartilinski, Kean
Kelson Brown, Linfield
Logan Chitwood, Texas-Tyler
Dave Filak, Oneonta State
Michael Giovenco, North Park
Ken Gregory, Kean
Jeremy Hazen, Anderson (Ind.)
Christopher Jarrett, Anderson (Ind.)
Victor Lara, Keystone
Aiden Lucas, Denison
Nicholas Nolan, Kean
Zach Rafferty, Anna Maria
Robert Shelton, La Grange
Greg Van Horn, Wooster
Ben Versnik, UW Whitewater
Trey Watt, Pacific Lutheran
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 08, 2010, 01:41:07 pm

Oneonta State's Dave Filak is the first D-III player taken in the 4th round (134 overall) by the Atlanta Braves. 
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 08, 2010, 04:52:20 pm

Derek Eitel, a RHP from Rose-Hulman in the 17th round to the Diamondbacks.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: CCIWFAN6 on June 08, 2010, 04:56:49 pm
Mike Giovenco, RHP from North Park, 14th round selection of the Kansas City Royals.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 08, 2010, 05:17:45 pm
Logan Chitwood, a RHP from UT-Tyler to Oakland in the 19th round.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: RSSmith on June 08, 2010, 05:20:06 pm
Andrew Pevsner, Johns Hopkins, left-handed pitcher, in the 16th round to the Dodgers.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Just Bill on June 08, 2010, 06:03:59 pm
Andrew Pevsner, Johns Hopkins, left-handed pitcher, in the 16th round to the Dodgers.
Late by 28 minutes. That hurts.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: fouriscosmic on June 08, 2010, 06:50:39 pm
Yazy Arbello of Keystone goes to the Diamondbacks in the 26th round.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Just Bill on June 08, 2010, 07:44:36 pm
Andrew Pevsner, Johns Hopkins, left-handed pitcher, in the 16th round to the Dodgers.
Late by 28 minutes. That hurts.

Infieldad, that's cheating.  :D
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: RSSmith on June 08, 2010, 08:20:38 pm
Andrew Pevsner, Johns Hopkins, left-handed pitcher, in the 16th round to the Dodgers.
Late by 28 minutes. That hurts.

But I'm a Hopkins homer.  I was so excited I didn't even read the prior posts.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 09, 2010, 12:33:20 pm
Sure hope DIII players get a lot more "love" from MLB in the next 18 rounds!!!
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 09, 2010, 01:39:55 pm
Sure hope DIII players get a lot more "love" from MLB in the next 18 rounds!!!

MLB draft does not give much love for DIII. Many that thought would be drafted will not and may sign as undrafted free agents or find a independent league to play for. Check where the recent DIII players of the year got drafted or not....
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 09, 2010, 01:52:51 pm
Kelson Brown, a pitcher from Linfield, to Pittsburg in round 34.
Crash, I appreciate the difficulty for DIII players, especially position players, getting respect from MLB in the draft.
The process is even more difficult if they get drafted.
For a position player, they need to get a chance and reps/AB's to adjust from the velocity they see at DIII to the velocity they will see in short season ball. Even if they get drafted, some clubs won't let me have the reps.
Position players cannot go from putting up huge numbers against 82-85 mph velocity to doing the same against 88-95mph.
Scouts need to have some confidence and proof that a DIII player can compete and succeed against 90mph.  Hopefully the proliferation of Summer leagues and DIII players succeeding with help.
For this draft, it looks like DIII will have some problems getting to 20 players being selected. I hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Just Bill on June 09, 2010, 02:03:39 pm
Ben Versnik RHP from UW-Whitewater just got drafted by Seattle. Pick no 1152 in Round #38.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: droppinbombs47 on June 09, 2010, 02:21:57 pm
Nick Robinson, shortstop from North Central College in Illinois drafted by the Red Sox in the 39th Round
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: mr_b on June 09, 2010, 02:30:29 pm
Steve Dennison of Wheaton (IL) was another draft choice.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Hammer Ball on June 09, 2010, 04:12:45 pm
I count 3 players from Keystone selected - Arbello, Lara and Groff.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: lordcharles on June 09, 2010, 04:19:46 pm
I count 3 players from Keystone selected - Arbello, Lara and Groff.

They mention Sean Murphy P also on the Keystone College website.  I didnt see him listed on the roster though.

http://www.gokcgiants.com/news/2010/6/9/BB_0609102509.aspx
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Hammer Ball on June 09, 2010, 04:51:50 pm
you r correct 4 for Keystone !
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: bcbleep on June 09, 2010, 05:49:02 pm
Wow, pretty impressive, 4 players from one division 3 team, that has to be a record!  Congrats to all of the division 3 players selected, well done!  I love seeing this.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 09, 2010, 05:55:17 pm
I count 3 players from Keystone selected - Arbello, Lara and Groff.

They mention Sean Murphy P also on the Keystone College website.  I didnt see him listed on the roster though.

http://www.gokcgiants.com/news/2010/6/9/BB_0609102509.aspx

I too checked the Keystone roster for a different reason but realized quickly that the roster is for the 2010-11 school year so any obe who played for four years would have been removed.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 09, 2010, 05:59:40 pm
The 19 players drafted in 2010 is typical.  I think the normal range is 14-24 players with a dozen plus half the average.

The problem with D-III players is that they are drafted in the later rounds so any stigma that sets in is not due to a D-III tag but the late round draft tag.

Three of the four Keystone players were drafted by Arizona.  Maybe there was more exposure to the the team by Diamondback scouts. 
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: bcbleep on June 09, 2010, 06:20:41 pm
OK, thanks for the clarification.  I didn't realize 3 of the 4 were taken by the Dbacks,  still an awesome feat though.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 09, 2010, 07:00:03 pm
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For a position player, they need to get a chance and reps/AB's to adjust from the velocity they see at DIII to the velocity they will see in short season ball. Even if they get drafted, some clubs won't let me have the reps.
Position players cannot go from putting up huge numbers against 82-85 mph velocity to doing the same against 88-95mph. Scouts need to have some confidence and proof that a DIII player can compete and succeed against 90mph. 

Your exactly right on the draft and DIII position players. The transition from hitting DIII pitching and add wood bats to that and it is easy to see how challenging going from DIII ball to Rookie ball is....and why so many fail.  That's why is better for most DIII players to play their 4 years in college and enjoy the experience. Majority of DIII players that sign are out of professional baseball in 2 years or less. Professional baseball is a cut throat experience for most that find out your teammates is after your job and dont care about you for the most part in professional baseball in the minors.

Players that are serious about playing professional baseball need to play in DI or top JC programs suceed there and sign when drafted. Too many guys pass up signing for more money or experience and get left never getting a chance from high school or DI.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 09, 2010, 07:45:33 pm
Crash,
Very interesting thoughts.
In terms of Milb, I do indeed know the experience can vary by organization in terms of the "cut throat" aspects. Some organizations do pit player vs. player.  It doesn't matter if you are DIII or DI or JC.
To be honest, in those organizations that emphasize college players, it may not be quite that way. The experience our son had was not one where the players were "cut throat." In fact, to a large extent, the players were competitive, but quite friendly and supportive. Being a DIII kid having success in Milb was not taken lightly and did not go un-noticed. It was talked about with a fair degree of respect by teammates, opponents and the media. Certainly there were exceptions, but on a roster of 25, they were few in number.
The "cut throat" aspect truly is the business element coming from those that operate and run the team's MILB program.
For DIII players, unless they are the rare higher round pick, I completely agree they benefit by playing all 4 years of college.  For those who are drafted and sign after about the 20th round, as you say, some can be out of baseball the following Winter or Spring.
I know how much our son would have missed if he did not complete his senior year. Even a good Milb career, cut short by injury, but spanning 4 years would not have been worth what that senior year competing at the DIII level included.
Milb is a tough business.  Frankly, I think DIII players have a very good mindset to deal with the "business" aspect because they don't expect anything to be given and they know they have to earn everything they get. Their work ethic also will stand out and that earns them something in some organizations.
Position players that are serious about playing professionally and being drafted can co-exist with DIII baseball, provided they play and play well in top Summer leagues and get better every year of their college career. Scouts need to see them not just put up better numbers. They need to see more strength, more quickness, more range, better bat and hand speed and strength through the hitting zone and at least one MLB tool such as arm strength/velocity and scouts need to see  sequential improvement each year.
Clearly, with the baseball specific strength programs, training tables and the like, the route to Milb can be enhanced at the DI level.
Every year we see 18-20 "underdogs" come from DIII and I will continue to cheer for them knowing they really "earned" what came about over the past 3 days.
What lies ahead, especially for the DIII position player, is a level of competition and mental challenge for which DIII baseball does not leave them fully prepared.
They need to work harder than every other drafted player and be a quick learner who shows ability when that chance and opportunity occurs.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: OshDude on June 09, 2010, 10:17:52 pm
Wow, pretty impressive, 4 players from one division 3 team, that has to be a record!  Congrats to all of the division 3 players selected, well done!  I love seeing this.
Oshkosh had five in 1999.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 10, 2010, 09:52:54 am
The 19 players drafted in 2010 is typical.  I think the normal range is 14-24 players with a dozen plus half the average.
 

Here are three I missed  - bringing the total to 22 D-III players drafted.

P Steve Dennison (Wheaton-IL), 1037th pick, Marlins
OF Chris Jarrett (Anderson), 1261st pick, Dbacks
OF Cody Young (Anderson), 1408th picks, Orioles
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 10, 2010, 10:31:05 am
The 19 players drafted in 2010 is typical.  I think the normal range is 14-24 players with a dozen plus half the average.
 

Here are three I missed  - bringing the total to 22 D-III players drafted.

P Steve Dennison (Wheaton-IL), 1037th pick, Marlins
OF Chris Jarrett (Anderson), 1261st pick, Dbacks
OF Cody Young (Anderson), 1408th picks, Orioles

For those drafted that are Seniors I hope you sign and you get to enjoy playing baseball as long as possible. For those not seniors please seriously consider returning to play college baseball and getting that degree unless you feel confident that the professional experience will be better than your remaining college experience. For the very few drafted on day 1 it is a more difficult decision to weigh what is best for each person.

Remember professional baseball is a business and is no way that same experience of playing in college.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: TexasBB on June 10, 2010, 01:07:54 pm
Does anyone know who in DIII actually made it to the show over the last 5 years?  If DIII has an average of say 20 drafted each year how does that tranlate to % making it to the show?  How many out of that 100 draft picks?

I think that statistic should be highlighted to the juniors that are drafted in the lower rounds and thinking of bypassing their senior year. If they were drafted as a junior they still have a chance to be drafted again as a senior or sign a free agent contract. I think unless you are a top 10 round pick you should stay in school and get your degree.

From my experience a college player that is drafted is on a short leash do to his age. If he does not make it to the show withhin 5 years he will be cut.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Just Bill on June 10, 2010, 01:28:28 pm
If you're a junior, I say, go take your shot, but make sure to come back and get your degree later.  Even if you don't last 24 hours with your Rookie League team it's an experience and an opportunity that 99% of us will never have.  Go for it.

Your college will still be there when baseball is done, whether it's next semester or in 15 years when your Hall of Fame career ends.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 10, 2010, 01:44:12 pm
Does anyone know who in DIII actually made it to the show over the last 5 years?  If DIII has an average of say 20 drafted each year how does that tranlate to % making it to the show?  How many out of that 100 draft picks?


From my experience a college player that is drafted is on a short leash do to his age. If he does not make it to the show withhin 5 years he will be cut.

I think the only one drafted in the last 5 years currently in MLB is Jordan Zimmerman.
There are a few like Jeff Natale of Trinity, CT who are scuffling against the MLB breakthrough.  He has had success at every level through AAA, but has reached a roadblock, as so many do.
On the other hand, it is not the case that players either get to MLB or get released.  If you look at the AAA rosters, you can find them filled with free agents who have been in Milb for 6 full championship seasons required to fulfill the MILB contract, and then sign as a FA for the following years.
Off the top of my head, I know of at least 3 guys drafted with our son in 2004 who are now FA's, got signed and are playing in AAA.  Reportedly, these guys can make $50,000 to 70,000 per year and some even more.
Whether to sign or not as a drafted junior is a very individual decision.  Considerations have to include your draft position, bonus amount, access to the MLB college scholarship plan out of your bonus, how far you are from graduation, the organization which has picked the player, and the type of experience the player is having in college ball i.e., what is he giving up/risking?.
When our son was drafted in 2004, another DIII shortstop was drafted 2 rounds before him, by our son's "dream team." 
The organizational differences worked very much to our son's favor.
 The player drafted just before him got something like 30 AB's during short season and was released the following Spring.
Our son got over 200 AB's in his organization in short season, earned a spot in 2005 and ended up with over 500 AB's and some in the organization labeling him a "prospect."  Ultimately, an injury followed by multiple shoulder surgeries brought his playing time to an end.
 But he is a very good example that the organization and how they create or limit playing time and opportunities in Milb is a critical factor for those thinking about giving up that senior year to sign an Milb contract.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: CCIWFAN6 on June 10, 2010, 02:49:26 pm
Personally, I think it is unrealistic for a 21 year old to pass up signing as a Junior draft pick coming out of a DIII school.  For 99.9% of players, that is a lifelong dream to play professional baseball. As a player at a DIII school, it is an extreme longshot to get that opportunity.  Whether that opportunity lasts 15 minutes or 15 years, for me, it is an easy decision. Looking back in 20 years, I don't think any player would regret signing. I think many would regret not signing.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 10, 2010, 03:09:26 pm
If the draftee is going to "play," I might agree with you.
To give up a senior year and end up getting something like 50 or less AB's during a 74 game schedule and the chance of being released and your baseball career over the following Spring is a risk to build into the equation.
Crash is right. Milb is business, all business. It is not at all like college baseball.
I also agree there is the "dream" aspect to being drafted and signing. If a team is investing $1,000 to $5,000 in a junior DIII draftee, he needs to know they have players slotted ahead of him at his position.  This isn't like college where the best players play. The dream cannot cloud reality.
Managers don't make out the line up card. They are directly from the top people in the Milb organization.
In my view, Filak is in one position. Anyone picked after round 20 has totally different considerations.  Milb looks at each player as a business commodity. My sense is each player needs to look at this as a business decision and not get captured by the "dream."
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: RSSmith on June 10, 2010, 05:26:54 pm
I've known Andrew Pevsner since he was a freshman at Hopkins, but I never heard this story:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/varsitytimesinsider/2010/06/baseball-local-boy-is-drafted-by-dodgers.html
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: OshDude on June 10, 2010, 06:25:56 pm
Here's another draft story. This one's about Anderson's Cody Young, who went from a cancer diagnosis to unrecruited to a knee injury to D3baseball.com All-American to drafted.

It's from a Gannett paper, so it will probably be available for free viewing for a handful of days. But I recommend it. It seems like a spec script waiting for the ultimate Hollywood ending. Good luck and congrats, Cody.

http://www.thestarpress.com/article/20100610/SPORTS/6100356 (http://www.thestarpress.com/article/20100610/SPORTS/6100356)
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Pitcher34 on June 11, 2010, 02:16:23 pm
Chris Heisey is up in the majors also
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 11, 2010, 02:44:21 pm
If the draftee is going to "play," I might agree with you.
To give up a senior year and end up getting something like 50 or less AB's during a 74 game schedule and the chance of being released and your baseball career over the following Spring is a risk to build into the equation.
Crash is right. Milb is business, all business. It is not at all like college baseball.
I also agree there is the "dream" aspect to being drafted and signing. If a team is investing $1,000 to $5,000 in a junior DIII draftee, he needs to know they have players slotted ahead of him at his position.  This isn't like college where the best players play. The dream cannot cloud reality.
Managers don't make out the line up card. They are directly from the top people in the Milb organization.
In my view, Filak is in one position. Anyone picked after round 20 has totally different considerations.  Milb looks at each player as a business commodity. My sense is each player needs to look at this as a business decision and not get captured by the "dream."

Your exactly right. Filak is not the same as the after 20 round guys with college left. Being caught up in the moment of the dream can become a real nightmare of playing rookie ball and having a terrible time and experience. Better to come back and play those final college years and have a great time and have a great year with the possible experience of playing in a regional and maybe a college world series.

 Each player has to make their own mind up what is right for them and understand they should have no regrets or 2nd thoughts on that decision

Here is an example of player that came back and play another year after being drafted..

North Park University baseball pitcher Mike Giovenco was drafted by the Kansas City Royals in the 14th round of the 2010 Major League Baseball draft Tuesday.
Giovenco, a native of River Grove, IL and a graduate of Fenwick High School was the 419th overall pick. He was selected in the 26th round of the 2009 MLB draft, but decided to return to school for his junior season
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Heat23 on June 12, 2010, 08:30:09 am
When I interned with the Short season Auburn Doubledays of the Blue Jays 2 years ago I got the chance to have an interesting conversation on field one day with Dennis Holmberg the manager. This was as the time when Jim Dougher was pitching for them. Dennis told me only 5% of the people playing baseball actually ever get to play affiliated professional baseball. Out of that 5% only .75% will ever step foot on a field in the show.

As someone had said earlier, the organization you play for is the biggest advantage or disadvantage. He said anyone drafted after round 5 is considered to be in the "pool" of players as he had called it. From that pool he said many of times it is luck of the draw. Certain organizations don't treat their players good at all, others are phenominal. Teams will draft kids and leave them on a team for a few years in their home town in hopes of selling a few more tickets when they are playing. This is a business after all and they treat it like that.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: BsbllFnatic on June 15, 2010, 02:09:02 am
So with a guy like Steve Matre, a senior pitcher who was drafted in the 39th rd. out of Mount Saint Joe's after not playing for a whole year due to Tommy John surgery, would it be better for him to sign or go back for another season?  He redshirted this past season but from what I hear he is playing summer ball, and he has one more season of eligibility.  If this guy got drafted in the 39th round after not even playing for over a year, you know he must be pretty special.  Took a look at his stats and they are very impressive.  Instincts would tell me that if he went back for another season he would just get drafted higher in next years draft, because he got drafted in the 39th round after not even playing since in the college season in 2009. 
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 15, 2010, 09:52:53 am
So with a guy like Steve Matre, a senior pitcher who was drafted in the 39th rd. out of Mount Saint Joe's after not playing for a whole year due to Tommy John surgery, would it be better for him to sign or go back for another season? 

I expect that he is playing summer ball says something but then again there is a kid here playing summer ball in my town that will eventually sign this summer.

39th round is just a shot and not a lot of money.  Matre might want to stay in school to improve his draft status and get those 2 saves for a career record.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 15, 2010, 12:41:23 pm
Matre has at least 2 clear and distinct, and somewhat unique issues.
The first is the injury and not pitching this year.
Clearly, the team picking him feels he has upside and probably has a sense of where he is in the recovery.  One might expect the team to require this pitcher to sign a release of all liability for this  injury.  It also seems likely the team, if it signed him, will give him a bit of a longer look. On the other hand, if they were  to start him in short season in 2011 and he was not able to perform, he would be facing a release. Our son played with a kid who had a similar situation. Was a low 90's lefty who had TJ his junior year in college.
Was picked in the 9th round, and they started him in 2004 in Short Season. He did not get his velocity back.
Kept him until the next Spring and when he still struggled, he was released.
The other obvious issue for Matre is age. He is now 22. If he does not sign and returns to college, he would be 23 by the time of the 2011 draft.
That does not mean he would not get picked but he would not get a long look, either. Immediate success would likely need to be shown.
It is possible the drafting team may view him as a higher than 39th rounder and offer more money than we might expect. If he were offered 39th round money, i.e., something from $100 to $1,000, that would make my answer for me.
If he were offered more based on where they project if he recovers fully, that could change the thought process a lot.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 15, 2010, 01:10:19 pm
A 39th round there is no money. The decision is will he have a better and more enjoyable experience playing another year of college or not....For a Senior the decision is easy. Keep playing as long as you can by playing pro ball.

Everyone really puts too much on this DREAM to play professional baseball. It depends on each invidual situation.

If you really are that good to play you will get a chance..If not stay in school get your degree and enjoy college baseball.

Gerrit Cole UCLA RHP turned down 1st round draft money to go play at UCLA.

This week he gets to play and pitch in the CWS. If he stays healthy and and has nother outstanding year he will be a high draft choice next year with 3 years of college ball. He gets the best of both worlds College and Pro..

I have seen too many players passing up their years in college baseball only to be released in 1 year playing pro ball. Many regret their decisions and wished they would have stayed.

For some it is the right decision to sign and play pro ball but for many it is not...

Rookie ball is a real grind. Long bus trips, little money, away from friends and family, lousy food, hotels and fields.  You really must love the game and have a drive to play everyday to make it work....
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 15, 2010, 01:47:19 pm
A 39th round there is no money.

Crash,
That is not always accurate. It depends on the team, how they value the player and why he dropped in the draft.
If the player is valued as a 39th rounder, he will get a bonus of that type, little to nothing.
If, due to injury, signing ability or some other issues, the player's value is higher than the 39th round and the team wants to take a run at signing him, they will pay far more.
Brett Wallace is one illustration but there are 100's of others. He was a potential 1st rounder our of HS who was committed to ASU. Drafted in the 42nd round by Toronto, he was offered well over $1,000,000 and turned it down.
I am not saying that is true for this draft pick and I am not saying it is not.
I agree with you that players need to "really love the game" to persevere and succeed in Milb.  However, I believe most DIII players really do love the game since they are playing by choice.
The life in Milb certainly was not at all a stress for our son, other than the "frustration" of playing behind guys drafted higher than he was and draft placing being, for awhile, the sole criterion for who has their name written in to the line up.
Once he got a chance and proved he belonged, the living conditions, meal money, bus rides, travel, long days, etc were  distractions, but  welcome ones, since he knew his name would be in the line up at 7pm for each game.
There is a great satisfaction from a baseball competitive perspective, especially for DIII players, in knowing you can play, compete and succeed against those who MLB views as the "best."
I fully agree with you that the challenges and rewards of Milb are  different than those that come from DIII competition.
While they are different, having success in Milb can be no less rewarding than playing a senior year.
If a DIII player has accomplished most everything they can in college, are getting an adequate bonus that include the MLB scholarship plan, and are drafted by an organization where they will get a legitimate shot, signing is a viable option.
If the player has more to prove/gain in college, is getting a 39th round bonus offer, is not with the right organization for getting his chance, etc, then signing with MLB needs to be done with the realism their career could indeed be over with only a very few innings pitched or AB's and them feeling they never got a chance.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 15, 2010, 04:05:46 pm
A 39th round there is no money.

Crash,
That is not always accurate. It depends on the team, how they value the player and why he dropped in the draft.
If the player is valued as a 39th rounder, he will get a bonus of that type, little to nothing.
If, due to injury, signing ability or some other issues, the player's value is higher than the 39th round and the team wants to take a run at signing him, they will pay far more.
Brett Wallace is one illustration but there are 100's of others. He was a potential 1st rounder our of HS who was committed to ASU. Drafted in the 42nd round by Toronto, he was offered well over $1,000,000 and turned it down.
I am not saying that is true for this draft pick and I am not saying it is not.
I agree with you that players need to "really love the game" to persevere and succeed in Milb.  However, I believe most DIII players really do love the game since they are playing by choice.
The life in Milb certainly was not at all a stress for our son, other than the "frustration" of playing behind guys drafted higher than he was and draft placing being, for awhile, the sole criterion for who has their name written in to the line up.
Once he got a chance and proved he belonged, the living conditions, meal money, bus rides, travel, long days, etc were  distractions, but  welcome ones, since he knew his name would be in the line up at 7pm for each game.
There is a great satisfaction from a baseball competitive perspective, especially for DIII players, in knowing you can play, compete and succeed against those who MLB views as the "best."
I fully agree with you that the challenges and rewards of Milb are  different than those that come from DIII competition.
While they are different, having success in Milb can be no less rewarding than playing a senior year.
If a DIII player has accomplished most everything they can in college, are getting an adequate bonus that include the MLB scholarship plan, and are drafted by an organization where they will get a legitimate shot, signing is a viable option.
If the player has more to prove/gain in college, is getting a 39th round bonus offer, is not with the right organization for getting his chance, etc, then signing with MLB needs to be done with the realism their career could indeed be over with only a very few innings pitched or AB's and them feeling they never got a chance.

Thanks for your feedback and personal insight..As you said each player is a unique situation and their are always exceptions. It just has to be a real well thought out decision before you give up your remaining years of college baseball.

It is really only impacts very very few players in DIII that have to make this decision before their senior year.

Most players are thrilled just to be drafted and jump at the opportunity to sign and play professional baseball. To all play baseball as long as you can....Some day it will end...too soon for most...
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 15, 2010, 04:54:55 pm
Crash,
I could not agree with you more. Very good thoughts and summary!
To me, the important aspect is for every player to play as long as their skills permit and to try and go out on their terms.
For most, in fact almost everyone in Milb, they don't go out on their terms. The end can be sudden. The end can be a complete shock for them and every teammate who watches it happen.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Gramps on May 31, 2011, 11:33:40 am
OshDude, I'd like to submit someone who has been under the radar for the last 4 years.
He is JASON LASH, the starting SS for Heidelberg since his Freshman season.
Here are his stats and Honors earned.

Year          Avg  Gm  Ab   R   H   2B  3B Hr  Tb  Rbi Bb  So 
2007-08  F .425  50  174  46  74  11   2   2   95   47  14   8
2008-09  S .341  46  182  56  62  11   5   6  101  47  30   9
2009-10  J .405  50  195  51  79  25   3   6  128  55  26   9
2010-11  S .369  49  179  46  66  20  0    3   95  38  24  10
Totals        .385  195 730 199 281 67 10 17 419 187 70  36
ATHLETIC HONORS
ABCA All-American 2nd Team-2010  3rd Team-2011
ABCA/Rawlings Gold Glove Team 2011
ABCA Miid-East Region 1st Team 2008-10-11  3rd Team 2009
ABCA Miid-East Region All Tournament 2008-2010
Ohio Athletic Conference (OAC) 1st Team 2008-2009-2010-2011
Ohio Athletic Conference (OAC) All Tournament 2008-09-10
ACADEMIC HONORS
ESPN the Magazine All District 4 1st Team 2010-11 2d Team-09
Ohio Athletic Conference (OAC) 1st Team 2009-2010-2011
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on May 31, 2011, 04:38:38 pm
OshDude,
I would add Kyle Felix of Trinity, Tx. to your list.
 He has proven his ability with wood by being an All Star in the NECBL. His power numbers and average this year with BBCOR also are awfully impressive.
I don't know if he can throw well enough to be drafted as a catcher.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: OshDude on May 31, 2011, 07:18:58 pm
Have Felix or Lash been in contact with scouts this season? I could see Felix going on Day 2. Anyone have other names and maybe their level of scout contact? Some guys are surprises, but it's nice to have some expectations.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 31, 2011, 07:37:04 pm
Living 400 miles from Bloomington (and having no inside knowlege contacts), I have no idea of his interest or scout contacts - but what about Jason Pankau, who has dominated the CCIW for two years, and dominated the CWS last year?
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on May 31, 2011, 07:41:32 pm
Felix has been in contact with scouts over the last 2 seasons.
He is not listed on Draft Tracker, however.
BTW, to help your list, Kean has 3 players posted on Draft Tracker.
In addition to Russo, Ken Gregory and Nick Nolan are listed so their names have been submitted to MLB.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: OshDude on May 31, 2011, 07:46:54 pm
Felix has been in contact with scouts over the last 2 seasons.
He is not listed on Draft Tracker, however.
BTW, to help your list, Kean has 3 players posted on Draft Tracker.
In addition to Russo, Ken Gregory and Nick Nolan are listed so their names have been submitted to MLB.
Thanks. I still have not seen the Draft Tracker. That would be much easier.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on May 31, 2011, 07:50:58 pm
Here is the link I found which I hope will help you and others:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2011/drafttracker.jsp

I am not sure how up to date it might be.  There is a local DI kid who is getting a lot of late season interest, even though he pitched less than 15 innings this year. Over the past 3-4 weeks, he got to 94mph on some guns and has scouts telling him "1st 10 rounds."
He isn't listed.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: OshDude on May 31, 2011, 10:45:42 pm
The draft begins next week. Who are this year's prospects? I'll get it started with the players listed on the MLB draft tracker and those I've heard with draft buzz. Thanks, infielddad.
Mike Russo, Kean
Ken Gregory, Kean
Nick Nolan, Kean
Ben Hughes, St. Olaf
Bryan Henry, Keystone
Blaine O'Brien, Keystone
Esteban Meletiche, Keystone
Cody Koback, UW-Stevens Point
Scott Williams, UW-Stevens Point
Phil Schreiber, UW Oshkosh
Greg Van Horn, Wooster
Greg Van Sickler, Shenandoah
David Colvin, Pomona-Pitzer
Jerry Coleman, Clarkson
Tucker Healy, Ithaca
Steve Dennison, Wheaton (Ill.)
Curtis Arsi, Rowan
Jules Roussel, Millsaps
Josh Stidham, Wooster
Zach Rafferty, Anna Maria
Travis Otto, Illinois Wesleyan (who is a golfer for IWU as far as I can tell)
Cory Vogt, Keene State
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: BigPoppa on June 01, 2011, 08:18:33 am
Living 400 miles from Bloomington (and having no inside knowlege contacts), I have no idea of his interest or scout contacts - but what about Jason Pankau, who has dominated the CCIW for two years, and dominated the CWS last year?

Someone will roll the dice on Pankau. If he is not drafted, I'd expect him to sign as a free-agent soon afterwards.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: cubs on June 01, 2011, 10:57:22 pm
I have a pretty reliable source that has reported that Koback could go anywhere between the 5th-10th rounds.  While I am not disputing it, does anyone know the last time a D3 Position Player weent int he Top 10 Rounds?
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 01, 2011, 11:47:05 pm
cubs,
You may be and probably are getting completely accurate information on what has been said.
Unfortunately, come draft day, what is said now often does not reflect draft day choices.
Even as late as the evening before the draft, our son was getting calls saying 7th to 15th round. The team which drafted him brought in a cross checker about 10 days before the draft and round 10 was the discussion.
Well, on draft day each of those come and go for our son and many, many others who have been told similar round information by scouts.
Ours started getting calls in the 14th round and was picked in round 25.
One of the great mysteries and frustrations of the draft sometimes.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Gramps on June 02, 2011, 01:18:13 am
I'd also like to submit TIM SAUNDERS, MARIETTA.  Here are his stats:

Saunders, Marietta  .389, 46R, 70H, 7 2b, 6  3b, 3HR 49RBI, 23-20 SB .940 FLD
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 02, 2011, 08:47:04 am
Expect pitchers to go first. Very few position players get drafted and those that do will not go high. MLB scouts do not have lot of respect of the numbers that d3 hitters put up. It is because of the quality of pitching hitters face at the d3 level.  If you don't believe look where the POY guys ended up in the draft over the last several years
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: BigPoppa on June 02, 2011, 09:46:59 am
I have a pretty reliable source that has reported that Koback could go anywhere between the 5th-10th rounds.  While I am not disputing it, does anyone know the last time a D3 Position Player weent int he Top 10 Rounds?

Not sure on the last, but Oshkosh's Jarrod Washburn was a second rounder in '95... and then he stuck it up our tails for 9 innings that same night in Salem.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: CCIWFAN6 on June 02, 2011, 09:54:12 am
Living 400 miles from Bloomington (and having no inside knowlege contacts), I have no idea of his interest or scout contacts - but what about Jason Pankau, who has dominated the CCIW for two years, and dominated the CWS last year?

Someone will roll the dice on Pankau. If he is not drafted, I'd expect him to sign as a free-agent soon afterwards.

After talking with the coaching staff, it sounds like Jason had a couple of inquiries during the middle of the season that slowed down at the end. I would not say there is no chance, but it did not seem overly optimistic that he would be drafted.  Having seen him throw a lot over the 4 years, I would love for him to get a shot.  Fastball velocity is a little below average for a righthanded pitcher, but he gets a lot of run on the pitch with his 3/4 release point and can throw a good breaking ball and change for strikes.
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Post by: CCIWFAN6 on June 02, 2011, 09:59:53 am
The draft begins next week. Who are this year's prospects? I'll get it started with the players listed on the MLB draft tracker and those I've heard with draft buzz. Thanks, infielddad.
Travis Otto, Illinois Wesleyan (who is a golfer for IWU as far as I can tell)

Travis never played baseball at IWU, instead electing to golf.  He is the son of Dave Otto who played MLB baseball for a while and has filled in on Cubs broadcasts for a number of years.
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Post by: CCIWFAN6 on June 02, 2011, 10:03:35 am
I have a pretty reliable source that has reported that Koback could go anywhere between the 5th-10th rounds.  While I am not disputing it, does anyone know the last time a D3 Position Player weent int he Top 10 Rounds?

Zach Lutz from Alvernia went to the Mets in the 5th round in 2007. He is currently in Triple A for the Mets, but has battled injuries much of his career, while putting up very good numbers when healthy.
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Post by: cubs on June 02, 2011, 11:09:19 am
I have a pretty reliable source that has reported that Koback could go anywhere between the 5th-10th rounds.  While I am not disputing it, does anyone know the last time a D3 Position Player weent int he Top 10 Rounds?
Not sure on the last, but Oshkosh's Jarrod Washburn was a second rounder in '95... and then he stuck it up our tails for 9 innings that same night in Salem.
I was talking about Position Players, not pitchers.....  If pitchers were in the mix, former WIAC Pitchers Jordan Zimmerman (Stevens Point) and Jack Taschner (Oshkosh) each went in the 2nd Round in 2007 and 1999 respectively.  Zimmerman was the 67th overall pick, while Taschner was the 75th.
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Post by: cubs on June 02, 2011, 11:12:01 am
I have a pretty reliable source that has reported that Koback could go anywhere between the 5th-10th rounds.  While I am not disputing it, does anyone know the last time a D3 Position Player weent int he Top 10 Rounds?
Zach Lutz from Alvernia went to the Mets in the 5th round in 2007. He is currently in Triple A for the Mets, but has battled injuries much of his career, while putting up very good numbers when healthy.
Nice Find!!!!  +K

The highest I was able to find was Oshkosh SS Tim Jorgensen who went in the 8th Round in 1995.
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Post by: cubs on June 02, 2011, 11:15:41 am
Oops!!!!

I was able to find a couple more D3 guys that went in the early rounds:

1987-Oshkosh OF Terry Jorgensen-2nd Round (29th Overall)
1981-Oshkosh SS Jeff Carl-2nd Round (29th Overall)
1976-Oshkosh OF Darien Boyland-2nd Round (45th Overall)
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Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 02, 2011, 11:22:22 am
Oops!!!!

I was able to find a couple more D3 guys that went in the early rounds:

1987-Oshkosh OF Terry Jorgensen-2nd Round (29th Overall)
1981-Oshkosh SS Jeff Carl-2nd Round (29th Overall)
1976-Oshkosh OF Darien Boyland-2nd Round (45th Overall)
My point exactly. In recent years position players do not go very high. Look at the numbers the POY guys in recent years put up and were drafted either in the very late rounds or not at all. So when guys talk about position players going into the draft, recent history does not support their viewpoints on early round drafts for position players.
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Post by: CCIWFAN6 on June 02, 2011, 11:36:58 am
Oops!!!!

I was able to find a couple more D3 guys that went in the early rounds:

1987-Oshkosh OF Terry Jorgensen-2nd Round (29th Overall)
1981-Oshkosh SS Jeff Carl-2nd Round (29th Overall)
1976-Oshkosh OF Darien Boyland-2nd Round (45th Overall)
My point exactly. In recent years position players do not go very high. Look at the numbers the POY guys in recent years put up and were drafted either in the very late rounds or not at all. So when guys talk about position players going into the draft, recent history does not support their viewpoints on early round drafts for position players.

Most of this comes from a scouting/projection standpoint.  With a pitcher, Zimmerman for example, you can see the velocity on the radar gun, the sharpness of a breaking ball, and the arm action on a change up and project how those will play at the next level. 

It is much more difficult to project how successfull hitters will be against better velocity, recognizing better breaking pitches, and having the ability to hit with a wood bat.  Many of the division 1 players that are drafted highly play in extremely competitve wood bat summer leagues.  Most division 3 players do not get this opportunity.
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Post by: cubs on June 02, 2011, 11:46:39 am
Expect pitchers to go first. Very few position players get drafted and those that do will not go high. MLB scouts do not have lot of respect of the numbers that d3 hitters put up. It is because of the quality of pitching hitters face at the d3 level.  If you don't believe look where the POY guys ended up in the draft over the last several years
I can tell you right now, regardless of whether a guy hits ..300, .400, or .500 it has no bearing on where he gets drafted.  What he puts up for RAW nuimbers has more impact.  It's why guys that have been National Player of the Year haven't been drafted, while guys that didn't make an All American Team have gone in the Top 25 Rounds.
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Post by: cubs on June 02, 2011, 12:00:52 pm
Oops!!!!

I was able to find a couple more D3 guys that went in the early rounds:

1987-Oshkosh OF Terry Jorgensen-2nd Round (29th Overall)
1981-Oshkosh SS Jeff Carl-2nd Round (29th Overall)
1976-Oshkosh OF Darien Boyland-2nd Round (45th Overall)
My point exactly. In recent years position players do not go very high. Look at the numbers the POY guys in recent years put up and were drafted either in the very late rounds or not at all. So when guys talk about position players going into the draft, recent history does not support their viewpoints on early round drafts for position players.

Most of this comes from a scouting/projection standpoint.  With a pitcher, Zimmerman for example, you can see the velocity on the radar gun, the sharpness of a breaking ball, and the arm action on a change up and project how those will play at the next level. 

It is much more difficult to project how successfull hitters will be against better velocity, recognizing better breaking pitches, and having the ability to hit with a wood bat.  Many of the division 1 players that are drafted highly play in extremely competitve wood bat summer leagues.  Most division 3 players do not get this opportunity.
I think this is one situation where the new bats are going to help guys make the adjustment from the metal bat to the wood bat a little easier.
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Post by: infielddad on June 02, 2011, 06:40:17 pm
Oops!!!!

I was able to find a couple more D3 guys that went in the early rounds:

1987-Oshkosh OF Terry Jorgensen-2nd Round (29th Overall)
1981-Oshkosh SS Jeff Carl-2nd Round (29th Overall)
1976-Oshkosh OF Darien Boyland-2nd Round (45th Overall)
My point exactly. In recent years position players do not go very high. Look at the numbers the POY guys in recent years put up and were drafted either in the very late rounds or not at all. So when guys talk about position players going into the draft, recent history does not support their viewpoints on early round drafts for position players.

Most of this comes from a scouting/projection standpoint.  With a pitcher, Zimmerman for example, you can see the velocity on the radar gun, the sharpness of a breaking ball, and the arm action on a change up and project how those will play at the next level. 

It is much more difficult to project how successfull hitters will be against better velocity, recognizing better breaking pitches, and having the ability to hit with a wood bat.  Many of the division 1 players that are drafted highly play in extremely competitve wood bat summer leagues.  Most division 3 players do not get this opportunity.

These are some reasons I think Kyle Felix will be drafted.  After his sophomore year, he played for Mill City in the NECBL and made the All Star game.  Late into the season, he had good power and average numbers, close to .300. He tailed right at the end but still hit something like .280 for 40 or so games. He was hurt last Summer which is unfortunate because he could not play in a Wood bat league.
Felix is big, strong and a very good hitter, with some power.  Scouts know he can hit with wood against good DI pitching based on his NECBL showing.  I just am not sure where he might be seen as a catcher at the next level.
He does appear to have more upside offensively.
 If he can grade out as a catcher, I think OshDude would have it right that he goes during day 2, rounds 2-30.
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Post by: Heat23 on June 02, 2011, 07:59:29 pm
I have a pretty reliable source that has reported that Koback could go anywhere between the 5th-10th rounds.  While I am not disputing it, does anyone know the last time a D3 Position Player weent int he Top 10 Rounds?

Not sure on the last, but Oshkosh's Jarrod Washburn was a second rounder in '95... and then he stuck it up our tails for 9 innings that same night in Salem.

Mike Eisenberg of Marietta went in the 8th round back in 06
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Post by: hbp on June 04, 2011, 09:34:47 am
Kyle Wooden - Guilford (past national BA leader was 3rd this season and again made 2nd team All-America)
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Post by: infielddad on June 07, 2011, 03:26:39 pm
Going through Draft Tracker pretty quickly but I cannot identify any DIII players picked into the 9th round.
Hopefully, I missed some/someone/anyone???
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Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 07, 2011, 03:37:18 pm
Going through Draft Tracker pretty quickly but I cannot identify any DIII players picked into the 9th round.
Hopefully, I missed some/someone/anyone???
No big surprise. DIII players just don't have the track record that they will succeed in professional baseball. Few are drafted and even fewer get past double AA. Most last a few years in the low minors and are released. There is a reason why they played DIII baseball and not DI. Size, speed and skills and what scouts project them to be. There are always exceptions but not many.

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Post by: infielddad on June 07, 2011, 03:38:13 pm
Cody Koback, Wisconsin Stevens Point outfielder to Boston in the 10th.
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Post by: AlleyCat on June 07, 2011, 03:40:05 pm
Benjamin Hughes - St Olaf 10th round Colorado Rockies pick 318 first Div III pick of the year followed by Kobock from Stevens Point 10th round pick 322 - Boston
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Post by: cubs on June 07, 2011, 05:07:10 pm
Expect pitchers to go first. Very few position players get drafted and those that do will not go high. MLB scouts do not have lot of respect of the numbers that d3 hitters put up. It is because of the quality of pitching hitters face at the d3 level.  If you don't believe look where the POY guys ended up in the draft over the last several years
So is going in the Top 10 rounds considered high?  ::)  Like I said earlier, just because he wasn't a consensus 1st Team All American team doesn't mean he doesn't have the raw numbers to get drafted, and in the Top 10 Rounds nonetheless.
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Post by: infielddad on June 07, 2011, 05:22:52 pm
Expect pitchers to go first. Very few position players get drafted and those that do will not go high. MLB scouts do not have lot of respect of the numbers that d3 hitters put up. It is because of the quality of pitching hitters face at the d3 level.  If you don't believe look where the POY guys ended up in the draft over the last several years
So is going in the Top 10 rounds considered high?  ::)  Like I said earlier, just because he wasn't a consensus 1st Team All American team doesn't mean he doesn't have the raw numbers to get drafted, and in the Top 10 Rounds nonetheless.

What it means to me is  scouts view him as a darn good player, with the best in the Country; he has  tools that rate well, he is, or should, be willing to sign, and most importantly projects to have a lot more upside.
Also, Boston and Toronto have been the two organizations probably drafting the most DIII players over the past number of years.  Those they have picked, have done pretty darn well.
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Post by: cubs on June 07, 2011, 05:30:31 pm
Expect pitchers to go first. Very few position players get drafted and those that do will not go high. MLB scouts do not have lot of respect of the numbers that d3 hitters put up. It is because of the quality of pitching hitters face at the d3 level.  If you don't believe look where the POY guys ended up in the draft over the last several years
So is going in the Top 10 rounds considered high?  ::)  Like I said earlier, just because he wasn't a consensus 1st Team All American team doesn't mean he doesn't have the raw numbers to get drafted, and in the Top 10 Rounds nonetheless.
What it means to me is  scout view him as a darn good player, with the best in the Country, with tools that rate well, he is, or should be willing to sign sign, and most importantly projects to have a lot more upside.
Also, Boston and Toronto have been the two organizations probably drafting the most DIII players over the past number of years.  Those they have picked, have done pretty darn well.
That was the point that I was trying to make....  I didn't care if he was a D1 or D3 kid, his raw numbers put him in the Top 10 Rounds.  Recently he was timed at 4.0 from the right hand batters box to first.  MLB average is about 4.3.
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Post by: Jim Dixon on June 07, 2011, 05:31:38 pm
Greg Ross, Frostburg State, was selected by Atlanta in the 18th round (566 overall).
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Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 07, 2011, 06:28:59 pm
Expect pitchers to go first. Very few position players get drafted and those that do will not go high. MLB scouts do not have lot of respect of the numbers that d3 hitters put up. It is because of the quality of pitching hitters face at the d3 level.  If you don't believe look where the POY guys ended up in the draft over the last several years
So is going in the Top 10 rounds considered high?  ::)  Like I said earlier, just because he wasn't a consensus 1st Team All American team doesn't mean he doesn't have the raw numbers to get drafted, and in the Top 10 Rounds nonetheless.
What it means to me is  scout view him as a darn good player, with the best in the Country, with tools that rate well, he is, or should be willing to sign sign, and most importantly projects to have a lot more upside.
Also, Boston and Toronto have been the two organizations probably drafting the most DIII players over the past number of years.  Those they have picked, have done pretty darn well.
That was the point that I was trying to make....  I didn't care if he was a D1 or D3 kid, his raw numbers put him in the Top 10 Rounds.  Recently he was timed at 4.0 from the right hand batters box to first.  MLB average is about 4.3.
+1 Excellent points. If a D3 kid has raw numbers and has the size, speed, strength and drive in the view of the scouts D3 players can and do make it but the numbers of D3 players that get drafted is such a small percentage than those that come out of D1, high school, and JC programs
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Post by: Jim Dixon on June 07, 2011, 07:05:26 pm
Tampa Bay selects Occidental rhp Brooks Belter in the 25th round (780th overall).
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Post by: Jim Dixon on June 07, 2011, 07:13:02 pm
David Colvin, Pomona-Pitzer was taken by Seattle in the 27th round (813 overall).
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Post by: Jim Dixon on June 07, 2011, 07:48:37 pm
Ian Durham, a righthanded pitcher from Cal Lutheran was selected in the 28th round (871 overall) by the Philadelphia Phillies.
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Post by: Jim Dixon on June 07, 2011, 07:56:36 pm
As we close on the final round, we have 5 pitchers, and one position player.

The first two came from the Midwest region, the last three, all right handed pitchers from the SCIAC

The score:

by position is 5 RHP, 1 OF

by region: 3 West, 2 Midwest, 1 Mid-Atlantic

No multiple school selections, no teams took more than 1 D-III player.  It is indeed possible that I missed someone.  I did see a Menlo Oaks player but the Oaks are no longer a D-III school this year. Nobody who transferred to another school stood out.
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Post by: OshDude on June 07, 2011, 09:08:23 pm
As we close on the final round, we have 5 pitchers, and one position player.

The first two came from the Midwest region, the last three, all right handed pitchers from the SCIAC

The score:

by position is 5 RHP, 1 OF

by region: 3 West, 2 Midwest, 1 Mid-Atlantic

No multiple school selections, no teams took more than 1 D-III player.  It is indeed possible that I missed someone.  I did see a Menlo Oaks player but the Oaks are no longer a D-III school this year. Nobody who transferred to another school stood out.
I'm going to track Chris Mazza from Menlo on the player master list. He'd been at Menlo since 2009.
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Post by: El Hombre on June 07, 2011, 09:11:44 pm
As we close on the final round, we have 5 pitchers, and one position player.

The first two came from the Midwest region, the last three, all right handed pitchers from the SCIAC

The score:

by position is 5 RHP, 1 OF

by region: 3 West, 2 Midwest, 1 Mid-Atlantic

No multiple school selections, no teams took more than 1 D-III player.  It is indeed possible that I missed someone.  I did see a Menlo Oaks player but the Oaks are no longer a D-III school this year. Nobody who transferred to another school stood out.
I'm going to track Chris Mazza from Menlo on the player master list. He'd been at Menlo since 2009.

What about the pitchers from Marietta, Gasser and Blaski?  Any draft probability?  Or the other SCIAC pitcher from Redlands, Johnson?
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Post by: mideastfan2 on June 07, 2011, 10:51:39 pm
What about the pitchers from Marietta, Gasser and Blaski?  Any draft probability?  Or the other SCIAC pitcher from Redlands, Johnson?

the Marietta guys don't have a chance this year.  They are both Juniors though, so it may depend on how they do this summer in a wooden bat league, after posting such a great college season....Blaski is playing up in Green Bay (same team as Marietta closer Kyle Linquist, and 1st team All-American Rauh from Chapman; not a bad staff) :)  not sure where Gasser will be playing.
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Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 08, 2011, 12:51:43 pm
What about the pitchers from Marietta, Gasser and Blaski?  Any draft probability?  Or the other SCIAC pitcher from Redlands, Johnson?

the Marietta guys don't have a chance this year.  They are both Juniors though, so it may depend on how they do this summer in a wooden bat league, after posting such a great college season....Blaski is playing up in Green Bay (same team as Marietta closer Kyle Linquist, and 1st team All-American Rauh from Chapman; not a bad staff) :)  not sure where Gasser will be playing.
Collegiate Summer Wood bat leagues are great place for D3 guys to show the scouts what they can do. A good showing in these leagues gets players drafted.

Yacko, Cavan and Semel from Chapman all played for Green Bay and got drafted. (Cavan transferred to UCSB and then got drafted)
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Post by: infielddad on June 08, 2011, 01:03:33 pm
Round 36 is just starting.
It does not appear there were any DIII players picked between rounds 30 and 35.
I am sure hoping this trend changes soon.
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Post by: El Hombre on June 08, 2011, 01:08:31 pm
What about the pitchers from Marietta, Gasser and Blaski?  Any draft probability?  Or the other SCIAC pitcher from Redlands, Johnson?

the Marietta guys don't have a chance this year.  They are both Juniors though, so it may depend on how they do this summer in a wooden bat league, after posting such a great college season....Blaski is playing up in Green Bay (same team as Marietta closer Kyle Linquist, and 1st team All-American Rauh from Chapman; not a bad staff) :)  not sure where Gasser will be playing.

Do the Marietta guys not have a chance because they are juniors?  They are draft-eligible, correct?  Or do you feel they need to  play in a wooden bat league first to be noticed?  I would think that the "top pitcher" in D3 has received enough recognition and honors to warrant a draft selection.  
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Post by: infielddad on June 08, 2011, 01:22:08 pm
What about the pitchers from Marietta, Gasser and Blaski?  Any draft probability?  Or the other SCIAC pitcher from Redlands, Johnson?

the Marietta guys don't have a chance this year.  They are both Juniors though, so it may depend on how they do this summer in a wooden bat league, after posting such a great college season....Blaski is playing up in Green Bay (same team as Marietta closer Kyle Linquist, and 1st team All-American Rauh from Chapman; not a bad staff) :)  not sure where Gasser will be playing.

Do the Marietta guys not have a chance because they are juniors?  They are draft-eligible, correct?  Or do you feel they need to  play in a wooden bat league first to be noticed?  I would think that the "top pitcher" in D3 has received enough recognition and honors to warrant a draft selection.  

I think it is far less important for a DIII pitcher to be seen in a wood bat league than a position player.  For pitchers, the measure of the draft is far more objective. It is largely velocity seen on the gun and projection. How much more velocity and command? What are the upsides. Scouts don't consider DIII stats for most any player and being the top DIII pitcher is a wonderful recognition but one which scouts don't consider.
What they consider are the "tools"..with what is on the gun right at the top.
Position players need to be seen in Summer Wood bat leagues because the game at the Milb level is much faster than DIII. Showing the speed, quickness and arm strength and defensively being able to show those abilities against DI type Summer competition can help.
Mostly, however, Summer leagues(good ones) help scouts see the offensive ability of a DIII player against 90mph and better pitching/command, which is what is seen everyday nearly in Milb.
Position players who don't play in top Summer wood bat leagues are hindered in scouting for the draft, unless they have tools that like speed and arm strength that a scout just cannot miss, which is pretty rare in DIII baseball.
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Post by: infielddad on June 08, 2011, 01:24:46 pm
Andrew Leachman of BSC was pick #1138 in round 37 by the Twins.
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Post by: Jim Dixon on June 08, 2011, 01:26:14 pm
three more on the third day:

1084. C  Brian Henry, Keystone, Arizona (36 round)
1130. RHP Bradley Watson, Wartburg, St. Loius (37)
1138.  LF Andrew Leachman, Birmingham-Southern, Minnesota (37)
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Post by: Jim Dixon on June 08, 2011, 01:43:44 pm
1192. RHP Corey Vogt, Keene State, Boston (39)
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Post by: C.M.Stag on June 08, 2011, 01:57:00 pm
1143 RHP Alex Sunderland, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, SEA (38)

that makes 4 SCIAC pitchers taken this year
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Post by: mr_b on June 08, 2011, 03:10:12 pm
1115  Nicholas Skala, C, Concordia University Chicago, Boston (37)
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Post by: Jim Dixon on June 08, 2011, 03:32:42 pm
By my count, this gives us 12 picks through 47 rounds.
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Post by: Jim Dixon on June 08, 2011, 03:35:25 pm
1448 RHP Blaine O'Brien, Keystone, Cleveland (48)
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Post by: Jim Dixon on June 08, 2011, 04:10:53 pm
D-III players drafted in 2011

 318. RHP Benjamin Hughes, St Olaf, Colorado (10)
 322.  CF Cody Koback, UW-Stevens Point, Boston (10)
 566. RPH Greg Ross, Frostburg State, Atlanta (18).
 780. RHP Brooks Belter, Occidental, Tampa (25)
 813. RHP David Colvin, Pomona-Pitzer, Seattle (27)
 871. RHP Ian Durham, Cal Lutheran, Philadelphia (28)
1084.  C  Brian Henry, Keystone, Arizona (36 round)
1115.  C  Nick Skala, Concordia (Ill.), Boston (37)
1130. RHP Bradley Watson, Wartburg, St. Loius (37)
1138.  LF Drew Leachman, Birmingham-Southern, Minnesota (37)
1143. RHP Alex Sunderland, Claremont-Mudd-Scripps, Seattle (38)
1192. RHP Corey Vogt, Keene State, Boston (39)
1448. RHP Blaine O'Brien, Keystone, Cleveland (48)
1523. RHP Ken Wiser, Linfield, Texas (50)
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Post by: forheavendial4999 on June 08, 2011, 06:17:18 pm
What about the pitchers from Marietta, Gasser and Blaski?  Any draft probability?  Or the other SCIAC pitcher from Redlands, Johnson?

the Marietta guys don't have a chance this year.  They are both Juniors though, so it may depend on how they do this summer in a wooden bat league, after posting such a great college season....Blaski is playing up in Green Bay (same team as Marietta closer Kyle Linquist, and 1st team All-American Rauh from Chapman; not a bad staff) :)  not sure where Gasser will be playing.

Is Rauh going to be available?

Let's just hope none of these guys get tempted by a D-I school :)
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Post by: BigPoppa on June 09, 2011, 08:52:12 am
When I was a college assistan/head coach, I avoided sending my players to the Northwoods LEague because so many of the coaches (at that time) used that summer league as a recruiting tool to pull the top NAIA, D3 and D2 players into their own programs.
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Post by: infielddad on June 09, 2011, 10:19:42 am
The recent NCAA transfer rule change is important now.  As Big Poppa describes, when our son played, he had many offers and options to transfer as a result of playing in the NECBL.  In fact, one ACC program had him admitted and a place to live offered.
He chose to stay at his D3.
Now, he and any D3 to D1 transfer would face the one year sit out rule.
Combine sitting out for one year and the loss of credits toward academic progress and the transfer is not nearly as fun or attractive to the student athlete. Also, a little known NCAA rule precludes the DI from providing any athletic scholarship for one year in a D3 to D1 transfer.
The one year sit rule creates an impediment to the DI coaches who used to do this.
With that said, a talent like Rauh probably could still get offers if he pitched well. The question is how much risk would a player be willing to take, since nearly all the risk is assumed by them during that transfer year.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 09, 2011, 11:41:43 am
The recent NCAA transfer rule change is important now.  As Big Poppa describes, when our son played, he had many offers and options to transfer as a result of playing in the NECBL.  In fact, one ACC program had him admitted and a place to live offered.

He chose to stay at his D3.

Now, he and any D3 to D1 transfer would face the one year sit out rule.
Combine sitting out for one year and the loss of credits toward academic progress and the transfer is not nearly as fun or attractive to the student athlete. Also, a little known NCAA rule precludes the DI from providing any athletic scholarship for one year in a D3 to D1 transfer.
The one year sit rule creates an impediment to the DI coaches who used to do this.
With that said, a talent like Rauh probably could still get offers if he pitched well. The question is how much risk would a player be willing to take, since nearly all the risk is assumed by them during that transfer year.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=2B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=571551
A few years back Ryan Cavan(Trinity-TX, Chapman, UCSB) sat out a year when he transferred from Chapman to UCSB. It worked out for him. He is now in his 3rd year with the Giants organization.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 09, 2011, 11:56:17 am
You are right, exactly right.
Things have worked out very well for Ryan in baseball. He is a terrific player.
 Ryan is a good friend, a terrific player and one I hope is playing 2B for the Giants or some MLB team in the next couple of years.
I have known Ryan since high school and was absolutely astounded he could not get any DI interest coming out of high school. He followed our son to Trinity and may well have stayed...if they had surfing.
 Ryan would have been drafted whether he stayed at Trinity or Chapman.
Ryan's situation applied a very different rule.
Because Ryan transferred twice, he was required to sit out the 2nd time. I have not asked Ryan how transferring twice affected his academic progress/loss of units.
 Had Ryan stayed at Trinity or Chapman, he likely would have been drafted as a junior.  Because he transferred to UCSB, he sat out one year.  Necessarily he paid another year of college tuition, but at in State rates. Our son would have been an out of State in the ACC and the tuition was substantial, very substantial. .
While it worked out for Ryan, I don't know that it made a difference for him in baseball other than he is one year older, which does not help him in MLB.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: OshDude on June 11, 2011, 02:39:04 pm
Keystone catcher Brian Henry is the first 2011 D3 draft pick to sign, according to Baseball America.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: OshDude on May 08, 2013, 07:23:02 pm
The draft is about a month away. Add any other confirmed prospects.

Jackson Baker, Rhodes
Max Beatty, Pacific Lutheran
Conor Bierfeldt, Western Connecticut St.
Tyler Brunnemann, Hardin-Simmons
PJ Cerreto, Ramapo
Justin D'Amato, St. John Fisher
Joel Effertz, UW-La Crosse
Zack Graczyk, Cortland St.
Kevin Herget, Kean
Eric Jensen, Wheaton (Mass.)
Ryan Lucero, Trinity (Texas)
Steve Maher, St. Thomas
Wes Meadows, Otterbein
Joseph Odom, Huntingdon
Alex Palioca, Wheaton (Mass.)
Collin Radack, Hendrix
Patrick Robinson, Keystone
Rob Rogers, Keystone
Sean Ryan, Wheaton (Mass.)
Leon Stimpson, Alvernia
Wes Walker, Ferrum
Tim Wilson, Linfield
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: 108 Stitches on May 08, 2013, 09:34:14 pm
Kyle Bogese, Trinity Tx

Will definitely be taken, may be the hardest thrower in DIII, clocked up to 97, but has backed off a bit and learned how to throw strikes.  ;)
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Patriotfan87 on May 10, 2013, 04:27:32 am
UTT has four guys (possibly 5) that are throwing 90+ but I don't know if they are on anyone's radar. Three seniors, two juniors.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Boysofsummer21 on May 10, 2013, 09:48:46 pm
CHristopher Newport has 3 guy on the radar

Chrismon
Taylor
Fleishman
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Heat23 on May 10, 2013, 10:50:52 pm
Chris Sweeney- King's College has been invited by the Tampa Rays for a workout.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: forheavendial4999 on May 11, 2013, 12:01:24 am
I have no idea if he's actually being scouted or not, but I think Alex Toth should be. Outstanding arm, sterling defense, has been great at handling a very young Marietta staff, hitting .430 and has not swung and missed with two strikes yet this year.

Only gap power, but for catcher that seems less critical. Maxwell only has 1 HR in his pro career so far.

I would think a team could sign him, and even if he doesn't work out could be a great instructional guy for a hotshot 18-19 year old. The amount he has improved in 3 years is almost beyond imagination. At the start of his soph year he was a converted middle infielder that literally could not get a hit. And now he's a likely All-American.

I don't know why a team wouldn't want to see what he can do in the pros.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: playball on May 11, 2013, 09:00:59 am
A lot of good/great players in D3 go undrafted.  A big reason for this is age.  Most players at a D3 play all four years and are 22/23 when they are drafted and are already somewhat behind in development.   I'm not saying it can't be done, but the odds are already against them as age is a big factor.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: rob on May 11, 2013, 01:41:14 pm
A lot of good/great players in D3 go undrafted.  A big reason for this is age.  Most players at a D3 play all four years and are 22/23 when they are drafted and are already somewhat behind in development.   I'm not saying it can't be done, but the odds are already against them as age is a big factor.
As compared to D1 or D2?  Getting drafted after your junior year makes you only 1 year younger.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: BBFan62 on May 12, 2013, 11:23:21 pm
A lot of good/great players in D3 go undrafted.  A big reason for this is age.  Most players at a D3 play all four years and are 22/23 when they are drafted and are already somewhat behind in development.   I'm not saying it can't be done, but the odds are already against them as age is a big factor.
As compared to D1 or D2?  Getting drafted after your junior year makes you only 1 year younger.
A big reason for D3 is level of play, not age. D1 seniors are (unles they were red shirted) are the same age as a DIII senior.

AJ Nathan IWU catcher is on the radar of a couple of teams.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: OLDC on May 13, 2013, 07:31:32 am
Wes Perkins Catcher Millsaps on radar of a few teams.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: BBFan62 on May 29, 2013, 03:13:08 pm
UTT has four guys (possibly 5) that are throwing 90+ but I don't know if they are on anyone's radar. Three seniors, two juniors.

92 is the new 88. MLB scouts look at projection and the radar gun, not stats. Numerous teams have guys how "can throw 90+", but how consistently, that's the key. Rochester (NY) had 2 this year.
I was walking past Dave Filak (Oneonta) back in 2010 when my son was a freshman and turned around when I heard the ball pop into the catchers mitt. I had no idea who he was, but did read up on him after seeing his name mentioned on the D3 boards a few times. He threw 94, got drafted that year in the 4th round. He was released this year.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 29, 2013, 08:01:19 pm
A lot of good/great players in D3 go undrafted.  A big reason for this is age.  Most players at a D3 play all four years and are 22/23 when they are drafted and are already somewhat behind in development.   I'm not saying it can't be done, but the odds are already against them as age is a big factor.

Most players in D-III are the same age as in D-I, D-II, NAIA.  There are a fair number of D-III players with FA signings so why spend a pick when you can get the afterwards.  Junior standing is the first year you can be drafted out of a four year program so if you show promise through three years, you jr year is when you can draft. 

In another time you also had a lot more negotiation power as a junior but I think that players are slotted into salaries depending on their draft position.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Patriotfan87 on June 02, 2013, 02:10:38 am
UTT has four guys (possibly 5) that are throwing 90+ but I don't know if they are on anyone's radar. Three seniors, two juniors.

92 is the new 88. MLB scouts look at projection and the radar gun, not stats. Numerous teams have guys how "can throw 90+", but how consistently, that's the key. Rochester (NY) had 2 this year.
I was walking past Dave Filak (Oneonta) back in 2010 when my son was a freshman and turned around when I heard the ball pop into the catchers mitt. I had no idea who he was, but did read up on him after seeing his name mentioned on the D3 boards a few times. He threw 94, got drafted that year in the 4th round. He was released this year.
All of them but one are big kids with a lot of upside (6-2 or taller). The hardest throwing one of the bunch is 6-4 185# Jr. and lives 92-94, but he seems to be fragile. He didnt pitch at all in the regional and only pitched sparingly over the last half of the season. I think a good strength and conditioning program could take care of that though.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 07, 2013, 03:53:29 pm
Into round 6 of the 2013 MLB draft without a D-III player to have been called.  Last year the first pick went in the 2nd round.

http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2012/06/2012_D-III_drafted_players
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 07, 2013, 07:31:57 pm
I was not able to identify any players selected through the end of day 2 and 10 rounds.
Hopefully, there will be lots of activity tomorrow!
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: forheavendial4999 on June 07, 2013, 07:45:15 pm
Any idea what the latest we've ever gone? Can't say I'm really surprised...didn't seem like the division was that great as a whole this year.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: motorman on June 07, 2013, 09:01:40 pm
I have no idea if he's actually being scouted or not, but I think Alex Toth should be. Outstanding arm, sterling defense, has been great at handling a very young Marietta staff, hitting .430 and has not swung and missed with two strikes yet this year.

Only gap power, but for catcher that seems less critical. Maxwell only has 1 HR in his pro career so far.

I would think a team could sign him, and even if he doesn't work out could be a great instructional guy for a hotshot 18-19 year old. The amount he has improved in 3 years is almost beyond imagination. At the start of his soph year he was a converted middle infielder that literally could not get a hit. And now he's a likely All-American.

I don't know why a team wouldn't want to see what he can do in the pros."


All you have to do is look at the Marietta roster to see why he won't get drafted. There aren't any 5'9" 190lb catchers in the big leagues.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 08, 2013, 01:31:51 pm
Any idea what the latest we've ever gone? Can't say I'm really surprised...didn't seem like the division was that great as a whole this year.

The first player is typically selected in the opening 10 rounds but the second in the 10-20th round.  With no top prospect, it is indeed not surprising to be still looking for the first D-III player.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: NWBaseballFan10 on June 08, 2013, 01:33:25 pm
Congrats to Tim LoCastro of Ithaca for being the first D3 player selected in the 2013 MLB Draft
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 08, 2013, 01:36:17 pm
Congrats to Tim LoCastro of Ithaca for being the first D3 player selected in the 2013 MLB Draft

Ithaca shortstop Tim Locastro was selected by Toronto in the 13th round, #385 overall
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 08, 2013, 01:42:48 pm
Players selected in the 2013 MLB draft

13.  385   Tim Locastro, Ithaca               SS       Toronto
13.  403   Joseph Odom, Huntingdon     C      Atlanta
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: NWBaseballFan10 on June 08, 2013, 05:03:45 pm
2 more D3 players to add to the list of players drafted:

26th Round (ATL) - Dakota Dill (Sul Ross St.) - RHP
28th Round (MIA) Joel Effertz (UW-LaCrosse) - RHP
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: rolln2 on June 08, 2013, 05:19:18 pm
26th round (Hou) William Austin Chrismon (Christopher Newport Univ.) RHP.  May be some confusion as he is listed as being at East Carolina Univ on the draft board.  He pitched for CNU in 2013 after transferring from ECU after the 2012 season.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: d3baseball411 on June 08, 2013, 05:37:45 pm
I have no idea if he's actually being scouted or not, but I think Alex Toth should be. Outstanding arm, sterling defense, has been great at handling a very young Marietta staff, hitting .430 and has not swung and missed with two strikes yet this year.

Only gap power, but for catcher that seems less critical. Maxwell only has 1 HR in his pro career so far.

I would think a team could sign him, and even if he doesn't work out could be a great instructional guy for a hotshot 18-19 year old. The amount he has improved in 3 years is almost beyond imagination. At the start of his soph year he was a converted middle infielder that literally could not get a hit. And now he's a likely All-American.

I don't know why a team wouldn't want to see what he can do in the pros."


All you have to do is look at the Marietta roster to see why he won't get drafted. There aren't any 5'9" 190lb catchers in the big leagues.

at least not anyone good.  http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=121358#gameType='R'&sectionType=career&statType=1&season=2013&level='ALL'
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: motorman on June 08, 2013, 06:23:56 pm
Sorry, thought he was taller than that. However, the link does prove my point since he is no longer in the big leagues.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 08, 2013, 07:08:58 pm
Players selected in the 2013 MLB draft

13.  385   Tim Locastro, Ithaca                                SS       Toronto
13.  403   Joseph Odom, Huntingdon                       C         Atlanta
26. 767    William Chrismon, Christopher Newport  RHP      Houston
26. 793    Dakota Dill, Sul Ross State                      RHP      Atlanta
28. 832    Joel Effertz UW-La Crosse                       RHP      Miami
29. 879    Conor Bierfeldt, Western Conn. State     OF        Baltimore
30. 916    Ryan Ullmann, Concordia (TX)                  RHP      Washington
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 08, 2013, 07:34:42 pm
13 players selected in the 2013 MLB draft

13.  385   Tim Locastro, Ithaca                                SS       Toronto
13.  403   Joseph Odom, Huntingdon                       C         Atlanta
26. 767    William Chrismon, Christopher Newport  RHP      Houston
26. 793    Dakota Dill, Sul Ross State                      RHP      Atlanta
28. 832    Joel Effertz UW-La Crosse                       RHP      Miami
29. 879    Conor Bierfeldt, Western Conn. State     OF        Baltimore
30. 916    Ryan Ullmann, Concordia (TX)                  RHP      Washington
32. 958    Max Beatty, Pac Lutheran                        RHP      San Diego
32. 964    Rob Rogers, Keystone                              RHP      Los Angeles Dodgers
36. 1082  Jesse Weiss,  Kenyon                              1B         Milwaukee 
37. 1101 Garrett Smith, Cal Lutheran                      2B         Chicago Cubs
39. 1175  Kevin Herget, Kean                                  RHP       St. Louis
40. 1187    Tyler Brunnemann, Hardin Simmons         RHP        Houston    

Any one missed?
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 08, 2013, 07:45:20 pm
14 players selected in the 2013 MLB draft

13.  385   Tim Locastro, Ithaca                                SS       Toronto
13.  403   Joseph Odom, Huntingdon                       C         Atlanta
26. 767    William Chrismon, Christopher Newport  RHP      Houston
26. 793    Dakota Dill, Sul Ross State                      RHP      Atlanta
28. 832    Joel Effertz UW-La Crosse                       RHP      Miami
29. 879    Conor Bierfeldt, Western Conn. State     OF        Baltimore
30. 916    Ryan Ullmann, Concordia (TX)                  RHP      Washington
32. 958    Max Beatty, Pac Lutheran                        RHP      San Diego
32. 964    Rob Rogers, Keystone                              RHP      Los Angeles Dodgers
36. 1082  Jesse Weiss,  Kenyon                              1B         Milwaukee
37. 1101 Garrett Smith, Cal Lutheran                      2B         Chicago Cubs
39. 1175  Kevin Herget, Kean                                  RHP       St. Louis
40. 1187  Tyler Brunnemann, Hardin Simmons         RHP        Houston
40. 1215  PJ Cerreto, Ramapo                                 RHP       Cincinnati   

Any one missed?
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: ILVBB on June 08, 2013, 08:00:10 pm
You may want to add Tyger Pederson, he played at Redlands his freshman year before transferring to U of the Pacific. 994th pick by the Dodgers.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 08, 2013, 08:47:25 pm
14 players + 1 who played at the D-III level selected in the 2013 MLB draft

13.  385   Tim Locastro, Ithaca                                SS       Toronto
13.  403   Joseph Odom, Huntingdon                       C         Atlanta
26. 767    William Chrismon, Christopher Newport  RHP      Houston
26. 793    Dakota Dill, Sul Ross State                      RHP      Atlanta
28. 832    Joel Effertz UW-La Crosse                       RHP      Miami
29. 879    Conor Bierfeldt, Western Conn. State     OF        Baltimore
30. 916    Ryan Ullmann, Concordia (TX)                  RHP      Washington
32. 958    Max Beatty, Pac Lutheran                        RHP      San Diego
32. 964    Rob Rogers, Keystone                              RHP      Los Angeles Dodgers
33.  994 Tyger Pererson, Univ of Pacific (Redlands) 2B         Los Angeles Dodgers
36. 1082  Jesse Weiss,  Kenyon                              1B         Milwaukee
37. 1101 Garrett Smith, Cal Lutheran                      2B         Cleveland
39. 1175  Kevin Herget, Kean                                  RHP       St. Louis
40. 1187  Tyler Brunnemann, Hardin Simmons         RHP        Houston
40. 1215  PJ Cerreto, Ramapo                                 RHP       Cincinnati   

Any one missed?
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 08, 2013, 10:03:16 pm
Tyler Brunneman's Mother posted on another site.  Her post created an immediate sense of happiness for some of the things which happen on days like this for D3 players:

"Tyler Brunnemann (my son) was drafted by the Houston Astros today in the 40th round. He had a benign brain tumor at age 11, was not given a scholarship for college( he played D3), but continued to fight, work hard and get better!! I'm so proud of all he's accomplished!!"
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: NWBaseballFan10 on June 08, 2013, 10:23:25 pm
Tyler Brunneman's Mother posted on another site.  Her post created an immediate sense of happiness for some of the things which happen on days like this for D3 players:

"Tyler Brunnemann (my son) was drafted by the Houston Astros today in the 40th round. He had a benign brain tumor at age 11, was not given a scholarship for college( he played D3), but continued to fight, work hard and get better!! I'm so proud of all he's accomplished!!"

Great stuff! Good for Tyler and congrats to all those who were drafted today. Also want to give a special congrats to Max Beatty of PLU. It's been great to see him make a full recovery after being diagnosed last year with testicular cancer. All that hard work getting back has paid off! Congrats Max
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: NWBaseballFan10 on June 08, 2013, 10:27:59 pm
http://espn.go.com/mlb/draft/2013/story/_/id/9356727/arizona-diamondbacks-draft-paralyzed-player-34th-round

Another cool story worth reading
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: forheavendial4999 on June 08, 2013, 10:41:27 pm
I have no idea if he's actually being scouted or not, but I think Alex Toth should be. Outstanding arm, sterling defense, has been great at handling a very young Marietta staff, hitting .430 and has not swung and missed with two strikes yet this year.

Only gap power, but for catcher that seems less critical. Maxwell only has 1 HR in his pro career so far.

I would think a team could sign him, and even if he doesn't work out could be a great instructional guy for a hotshot 18-19 year old. The amount he has improved in 3 years is almost beyond imagination. At the start of his soph year he was a converted middle infielder that literally could not get a hit. And now he's a likely All-American.

I don't know why a team wouldn't want to see what he can do in the pros."


All you have to do is look at the Marietta roster to see why he won't get drafted. There aren't any 5'9" 190lb catchers in the big leagues.

Still could help an organization, IMO. At the worst would be a great tutor for younger prospect.

But other than a few guys (like Odom and Locastro this year), this thing is always a crapshoot anyway. Interesting that none of the Trinity or Tyler pitchers that supposedly throw low 90s or better got drafted.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Bombers798891 on June 09, 2013, 10:02:27 am
Is it common for D-3 guys to go as juniors like Locastro did? I guess that's what shocked me. But man, he was good. Big loss for IC
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: infielddad on June 09, 2013, 12:49:25 pm
Is it common for D-3 guys to go as juniors like Locastro did? I guess that's what shocked me. But man, he was good. Big loss for IC

Over a number of years, it is less common for a D3 position player to be picked as a junior.  Not only is this a nice compliment for Locastro, the fact he was only the 2nd position player picked by Toronto by round 13 seems like a big plus for him signing.
With that said, I would not say it is a loss for IC, yet.  Toronto still needs to offer him enough to give up that final year of college and college baseball.  Money, signing bonus and perhaps the MLB scholarship plan might still be in play as to whether he signs or not.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: 108 Stitches on June 09, 2013, 12:50:06 pm
Bombers,

Most D3 players go in their Sr season but a handful go after their Jr season. Maxwell last year was I believe a 4th round pick.

Since they shortened up the draft this year we will likely see a number of undrafted signee's come out of the D3 pool of players.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Jim Dixon on June 09, 2013, 07:36:58 pm
Bombers,

Most D3 players go in their Sr season but a handful go after their Jr season. Maxwell last year was I believe a 4th round pick.

Since they shortened up the draft this year we will likely see a number of undrafted signee's come out of the D3 pool of players.

Some corrections, etc.

Bruce Maxwell was a second round selection in 2012.

The draft went to 40 rounds last year.

You cannot draft a freshman or sophomore from a 4 year college unless they are 21.

It use to be that you could get a higher signing bonus if you had the option of returning to school (drafted as a junior) but MLB has controlled the bonus' the last two years so the advantage of being drafted as a junior is reduced - sounds like they are cornering the market and being anti-competitive.

If you are going to be drafted as a junior from a D-III school, you will not improve your draft position if you stay at the school so signing is the best course of action.

Anyone drafted as a junior should be given a promise of tuition paid at the school they were at  but that is not always a part of the contract.
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 21, 2013, 06:25:38 pm
14 players + 1 who played at the D-III level selected in the 2013 MLB draft

13.  385   Tim Locastro, Ithaca                                SS       Toronto
13.  403   Joseph Odom, Huntingdon                       C         Atlanta
26. 767    William Chrismon, Christopher Newport  RHP      Houston
26. 793    Dakota Dill, Sul Ross State                      RHP      Atlanta
28. 832    Joel Effertz UW-La Crosse                       RHP      Miami
29. 879    Conor Bierfeldt, Western Conn. State     OF        Baltimore
30. 916    Ryan Ullmann, Concordia (TX)                  RHP      Washington
32. 958    Max Beatty, Pac Lutheran                        RHP      San Diego
32. 964    Rob Rogers, Keystone                              RHP      Los Angeles Dodgers
33.  994 Tyger Pererson, Univ of Pacific (Redlands) 2B         Los Angeles Dodgers
36. 1082  Jesse Weiss,  Kenyon                              1B         Milwaukee
37. 1101 Garrett Smith, Cal Lutheran                      2B         Cleveland
39. 1175  Kevin Herget, Kean                                  RHP       St. Louis
40. 1187  Tyler Brunnemann, Hardin Simmons         RHP        Houston
40. 1215  PJ Cerreto, Ramapo                                 RHP       Cincinnati   

Any one missed?

Heard Herget got a win in relief in his first appearance, pitching for the State College Spikes 6/19: (Spikes beat Williamsport 8-3).

His line was as follows:

IP    H   R  ER  BB  SO  ERA

3.1  3   0    0    1    2    0.00   

Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: WLCALUM83 on August 31, 2013, 12:29:33 pm
Tim LoCastro (Ithaca) is with the Bluefield Blue Jays, who are headed for the Appalachian League playoffs:

http://www.milb.com/index.jsp?sid=l120

(then click on Appallachian League Playoff Preview link:)
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: D3SportsFan on May 30, 2017, 09:55:27 am
Any discussions or postings of some of the top DIII draft prospects?
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: Purple Heys on June 13, 2017, 07:03:02 pm
Tanner Nishioka, 2B, Pomona-Pitzer went in the 9th round to the Red Sox
Title: Re: BB: D3 MLB Draft projections, picks and free-agent signings
Post by: D3SportsFan on June 05, 2018, 03:21:05 pm
Congrats to Hugh Smith on picking selected in the 6th round (165) overall to Detroit! Awesome to see D3 players selected so high!