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Title: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on March 12, 2005, 09:24:24 am
One thing I want to add, if I didn't make a point to examine who started for Potsdam I would have no idea whether the starters were in the game the rest of the way.  Made no difference.  They lost nothing.  That is a very good team.  Too bad Fisher didn't give them their best effort.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: xoverj on March 12, 2005, 10:06:11 am
When I saw potsdam play in January, I knew that they were good......but they weren't really a great team at that point.  The fact that all of those guys are playing together on the same page is scary.  I agree with BasketballMike, there is no doubt that the SUNYAC prepares a team for the postseason, every game in the SUNYAC brings a postseason environment.  Especially the long road trips and the constant upsets.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on March 12, 2005, 10:21:23 am
Kudos, kudos, kudos to Potsdam!! Exceptionally well done. Carry on.
Just recently dug ourselves from snowbanks upon reentering NY from FLA.
We know CStaters are pulling the Bears way, especially after RDragons had Pdam on the ropes in north country and then won at home. Guess that's a way of saying TSpan & Co. had a pretty fair season themselves. Will look even better should Coach Dobbs and Potsdamers extend this thing ....
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: wherestheenergy on March 12, 2005, 12:24:54 pm
where's bulb?......hmm...*tumble weed*...*cricket*
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigdaddy on March 12, 2005, 12:59:30 pm
So....I predicted Potsdam by 5....and I was wrong...they won by 24. Potsdam won the rebounding as advertised.  

Potsdam was all we said they were. To be honest...Fisher is a really great team...I felt like they needed to have seen a lot more game tape of Potsdam than they apparently had the oppourtunity to.  

As for the Amherst facility...I was very disappointed. It was not big enough. Didnt have enough parking. Didnt have walkways to parking(walk in the road) and Amherst did not even have a refreshment booth. Their vending was empty by half time of the Rochester game. Couldnt buy a water.  

This game should have been held at Rochester or Potsdam. Amherst facility is junk.  

I am on my way back on the road to see tonights game.  

Prediction...even rebounding....UR Center wont have a great night. Hauben will be held to 13 pts. Potsdam will win by 14.  

I was not impressed by the AMherst team last night. It was Schiel...who was awesome....and beyond that...they werent that good.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: portgrad2004 on March 12, 2005, 01:00:27 pm
UR2004,

Yeah, that was a great game even with the outcome.  All I remember about that game though was trying to walk back to my dorm during the storm in the wind tunnel that we call Brockport...Almost got blown over a couple times...

Can't lose with tonight's matchup, either a team from the SUNYAC, or a team from the Rochester Area...good luck to both.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigdaddy on March 12, 2005, 01:01:43 pm
I called for Potsdam in the pick'em
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: not josh reed on March 12, 2005, 08:50:49 pm
So any one here a score yet?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ur2004 on March 12, 2005, 09:02:20 pm
Rochester 67, Potsdam 51.

UR led by 2 then ended the game on a huge run...

would have been even more of a blowout if UR actually hit its free throws, but they shot something like 57% from the floor

Rebounding was even...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thealmascots on March 12, 2005, 11:39:56 pm
It's a rematch of the 1992 Championship game on Friday night - Rochester and Calvin.  It was Chris Fite against Steve Honderd in that one and Honderd and the Knights took home the hardware.  What's the predictions for this one?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: unbearable on March 13, 2005, 01:03:52 am
Ugh, just got home from Amherst.  First of all, congrats to U of R, I hope you win it all.  

I was really looking forward to a very intense physical game inside, to see how the two 6'7"'s Harris and Turner would match up against Hauben and Onyiriuka.  I thought their interior defense would be the key to the game.  Four seconds into the game, the ref called a ticky-tack foul on Turner, and another with minimal contact less than two minutes later.  Neither were obvious, nor were they charge/block decisions.  Turner then sat the next eighteen minutes of the half.  Anyone familiar with Rochester knows how they love to pound it inside and play physical, and immediately the game was altered.

Potsdam couldn't buy a bucket, shooting 31% in the first half.  It was the exact opposite of the Fisher game.  Still, despite the big guy on the bench, and playing a bad half offensively, they were down three at the break.  

Rochester shot 70% from the field in the second half.  Still , the Bears were within two with 3 and a half minutes to go. You have to hand it to U of R.  Every time the Bears needed that crucial stop, Rochester knocked down the jumpers.

Obviously, I'm biased, but I just hate to see referees take the game out of the hands of the players, especially knowing what type of game it would be.

To all the Bears, thanks for a great run.

Maybe I'm just extra mad because I had Potsdam, York, and Stevens Point in the final four in my bracket.  

I'd love to hear other impressions of those who were at the game.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on March 13, 2005, 07:31:59 am
Potsdam had a great run.  They beat themselves last night by not hitting the open jumpers.  UR played a 2/3 defense and said shoot over it but Potsdam couldn't buy a shot. Coach Doobs thanks for bringing back quality basketball to Potsdam/Maxcy.  UR good luck.

FYI the final four top 25 rackings 1,14,19,21
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: owen jones on March 13, 2005, 09:06:45 am
Rats! Too bad it ends just short of the final four, but Bearnation is right on the money - quality basketball is back at Potsdam. It was a great year.  

Here's a scary set of facts about the WIAC. Early in the season UW-Superior gets on the bus for a tournament in Rochester, where they defeat the hosts, U of R, 72-67. Superior is considered one of the weaker teams in the WIAC. Superior's WIAC Conference record is 5-11. They were overwhelmed by Stevens Point, 77-42 at home, 83-58 at Stevens Point, and 88-68 in the conference tournament. Good luck to U of R.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ur2004 on March 13, 2005, 09:39:28 am
owen, that's true, however UR was playing that game without Gabe Perez, their starting PG and last night's leading scorer (16 pts) = but it still does go to show that the WIAC is pretty competitive.  I'm rooting hard for York :-)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: boobyhasgameyo on March 13, 2005, 10:17:54 am
Plus you can't really compare scores of different games like that.  Any team can win on any day.  I see your point about the conference believe me I do, but if you follow that kind of logic then......

U of R earlier in the year lost to R.I.T. by about 8 points I believe, a team Fisher beat four times including a final score of 92-51 in the E8 championship game.  And Fisher in turn lost to Potsdam by 24.  That means Potsdam should have won the U of R game by about 73 points.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on March 13, 2005, 05:48:54 pm
Unbearable and Pdam crew:
Quite the season for you guys. It all starts with classy S. Dobbs. We heard nothing but good things when he came aboard. No doubt he gets the best from his charges, and they go to the wall for him!
And speaking of class .....a rousing hip hip hooray for Bears' top lieutenant Stan Cohen. A Cortland native by the way who goes back to the J. Welsh heyday. Stan's in his 31st year at Potsdam after piloting Canton Tech
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: owen jones on March 14, 2005, 07:17:45 am
OK, I'm picking Potsdam over U of R by 73. I'm sticking with my logic!!

Oh wait, the game's over? Whew! Someone could have made some money from me! I see your point and it's a good one.

I know the old "x beat y, and y beat z, thus, x must beat y" logic isn't very good logic.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on March 14, 2005, 08:47:03 am
Finally back to my PC after a great long weekend of college and highschool hoops.  I didn't stay on Saturday for the Potsdam/UR game, but the result officially proves that I know nothing about basketball.  I couldn't have been more wrong in my predictions for that bracket.

Congrats to Potsdam on a nice run.  Am I correctly assuming that UR played zone and forced Potsdam to hit jumpers?  I remember Friday night game thinking "wow, if they shoot like this for the next 3 games no one is going to beat them."  Did Clayton, Barton, and Lynne go cold?

I agree somewhat with whoever made the post that was critical of Amherst's facilities.  It is a decent small gym.  Bigger than Fisher's but nothing to call home about.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on March 14, 2005, 08:52:44 am
Back to the Fisher/Potsdam game.  Earlier in the year myself, "Bulb", and a few others kept saying that in order to beat Fisher you must get physical with them.  Bulb even went as far as to say O'Brien and Sydney were soft.  Well, he was right.  Both very good players, but wow did Potsdam manhandle them.  No one was smart enough to be that physical with them in the E8, and that's why they ran the table.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on March 14, 2005, 03:04:42 pm
To everyone playing SUNYAC ball this past year, thank you. Night in and night out you represented your schools with courage and dignity and provided your fans with intense, competitive basketball. The seniors will be particularly missed. To Joe Zera,  we'll remember you're leadership bringing along a very young team, first to respectability, and then to a team no one wanted to play by year's end. To Dave Ponza, we'll remember you as the personification of the "go to guy" on the floor and a gracious young man off. To Junior Clayton, we enjoyed seeing you score many of those 1K plus points. To Chris Turner, your career 900+ points and 500+ rebounds are only suggestive of what you meant to a team that won 2 regular season and 2 tournament championships.  

To the returning juniors, looking forward to seeing you next year. To the underclassmen, you have models to emulate and guide your development as both athletes and students.  

And to any scholastic players looking for collegiate opportunities, SUNYAC can provide you with outstanding academic experiences and the highest caliber D3 hoops played in the state.  

State School?  

Proud of it!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigdaddy on March 14, 2005, 03:47:34 pm
Potsdam had a great season and as I predicted early in the season made the Elite eight.  

Christian Turner had a great season and was a defensive nightmare for all who played him. Eldon Harris was a tremendous presence on the floor and vastly improved from his underclassment days. He had tons to be proud of. Jim Connely has a great year and showed tremendous leadership. Edane Barton is a monster when he is inspired and played great ball and was a an animal on the boards. Michael Brooks was intelligent and had great hands. Ryan Lynn was an amazing defender and distributor all year. Ernst Ducena is a great defender and impressive shooter. Evril Clayton is a pure scorer that no one wants to guard.  

Potsdam has a lot to be proud of and was truly dominant in many ways. Sherry Dobbs has brought great basketball back to Jerry Welsh gym and it will be interesting to see his recruited class for next season...lets hope he has found some more forwards.  

My belief is that Ernst, Edane, Ryan Lynn, Dave Bisessi, will all be back next year. Jerry Farrior I am assuming will be a starting forward/center next season.  

Anyway....congrats to a brilliant team from Potsdam.  

Potsdam was strong all season and answered big questions asked of them concerning the strength of the SUNYAC and how they would do against a tested opponent.  

In my opinion...Rochester has a great club...but Potsdam is just as good.  

This game in many ways...was decided by the officiating. Potsdam also missed some key shots. They put forth great effort however.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Texas Mike on March 15, 2005, 01:13:19 pm
Great job Potsdam from deep in the heart of Texas! The coach was great but he couldn't do it without all the hard work and heart displayed by the players. I couldn't make the games but listening online made them sound like a group of Division I-quality players in the game against an outstanding St. John Fisher squad. Great job guys.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: d-mac on March 15, 2005, 04:47:17 pm
And then there were FOUR... or really eight!
This weekend... the best of the best are crowded
But before then... we tell you who we think are the best... on "Hoopsville"!!!


Eight teams in the nation can see where the road finishes. But who is going to get past the final two exits?

Millikin took out Calvin in a hard fought battle... to earn their way to the Women's Final Four. So is this Illinois team ready to go? Coach Lori Kerans will let us know. Her #6 ranked Big Blue Ladies are the lowest ranked team remaining, but still battle tested and ready for their semi-final game with Southern Maine.

The #1 ranked Scranton Lady Royals sure had a tough road to drive as they took on last year's championship finalist, Bowdoin College in the Elite Eight. Scranton showed why they are the #1 team in the nation, knocking off the Polar Bears. So do the Lady Royals have anything left in the tank for Randolph-Macon in the semi-finals? Coach Mike Strong answer that question and if that #1 ranking adds any pressure.

On the men's side, Rochester is still marching... even though mid-way through the season, most thought they had no chance. But their star player returned... and they knocked off not only last year's Final Four finalist Amherst in the Sweet 16... but then took out a suddenly hot SUNY-Potsdam team in the Elite Eight. Now, Rochester has been here before, and Coach Mike Neer has the experience. But how does his team prepare for a tough Final Four match-up with Calvin.

Calvin - people warned us about. They are the only team left in this men's tournament that has played every game to get here. First Wheaton, then Aurora, finally Mississippi College fell to the side of the Knights. Then came MIAA conference foe - and champion Albion. Which Calvin disposed of 60-52... to take their drive to Salem... for the first time since they won the national title in 2000.
So, what will Coach Kevin Vande Streek use from that last title run to help his team get past Rochester and into the title game? We will ask him that and much more (including if he saw Albion's buzzer beater Friday night? Jared did!).

And then there is York College (PA)... 11-15 last year... flew under many radars most of the year... and now they are in the first Final Four in the school's history.
Coach Jeff Gamber has traveled to Salem before, but never with a team playing. Now, after 28 years... he in Salem as a participant. But, this trip is completely new to Coach Gamber and the Spartans, who until this year had never won a NCAA Tournament game. We will talk to the coach of York and see if he has yet to come down from the high of beating Kings on Saturday to lock up the trip to Salem.

So come join us online and LIVE from 8-10PM Eastern!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: xoverj on March 17, 2005, 09:23:27 am
Well, posting up is done for another year.  Thank you to those who posted regularly and kept the board full of entertaining discussions.  THanks to everyone who kept scores updated during games when some of us couldn't be at them.  All the SUNY's are out, so I am signing off until October.  Everyone have a good off-season.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigdaddy on March 22, 2005, 04:23:22 pm
Its a tough note that only one guy from Potsdam made the region team...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 22, 2005, 04:43:57 pm
Yeah -- I don't know if that's a factor of six SUNYAC SIDs not bothering to cast a ballot, or the balance of the Potsdam team. Probably a little of both.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on March 23, 2005, 08:29:40 am
Ah, now the All-Region team makeup is making a little more sense.  Not that any of the guys didn't deserve it, but 5 Empire 8 guys versus 2 SUNYAC players was a bit unbalanced.

This is pure speculation, but the Empire 8 Commissioner (Mitrano) is a young guy who might be more inclined to push the E8 SIDs to participate in online activities like D3hoops.com.  I don't know anything about the SUNYAC administration, but that might be the problem.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: The Bear on March 23, 2005, 06:23:11 pm
The SUNYAC commish is nice guy, long-time retired AD, located in Fredonia, at one of the outposts of the system.  He has a staff of one, a rotating intern who is the publicist.

BAMM - you've hit the nail on the head.  SUNYAC is loaded with good solid players, not just Potsdam, but 15-20 legit D-III stars.  If the SID's don't bother to vote, they won't get recognized.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Bigdaddy on March 25, 2005, 08:00:41 pm
A lot of great seniors that will be gone from Potsdam...does anyone know if Edane Barton will be back for another season?

And does anyone know what kind of recruits are coming into Potsdam in the fall?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on May 28, 2005, 01:12:24 am
Christian Tuner, SUNY Potsdam, has ben awarded a NCAA Post Graduate Scholarship. 28 male winter sports athletes, DI - DIII combined, have been honored with these $7500 scholarships. He is one of only 3 mens basketball players nationwide receiving the award. Selection criteria included outstanding contributions to their team, institution, and collegiate athletics in general.  

Turner, a Potsdam captain for the past two seasons, led the Bears to consecutive SUNYAC championships and to the Elite 8 in this year's tournament. He graduated summa cum laude this month with majors in biology and biochemistry and will attend medical school at SUNY Upstate this fall.

This is a well deserved tribute to an outstanding student-athlete and a reflection of the level of achievement that is possible within the SUNY system that every SUNYAC coach can point to.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 28, 2005, 11:58:09 am
Yep, and if you're interested as to who the other Division III recipients were, they were on the front page about four weeks ago:

http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?date=2005-05-03

Potsdam State didn't have a release out at the time so we didn't have much on Turner.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: JOHN HAMMOND on August 05, 2005, 06:44:21 pm
Has anyone seen any sunyac players play in any summer leagues this summer?

Well i have seen some Potsdam guys, Cortland,suny it and Plattsburgh.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Maxcy Maniac on August 10, 2005, 09:10:38 am
I saw some potsdam guys at the Potsdam Camp, they looked sharp training high schoolers.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Enrique Suarez on August 11, 2005, 07:21:36 am
either of the last two posters have any specifics to offer on which guys for what teams and furthermore how they'll impact their teams...if at all
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Spring of Poland on October 02, 2005, 10:00:10 pm
New Post-errrr in the house--Where's all the chatter? It's October. The leaves are changing colors and falling. There's a slight chill in the air. And the Bills, Jets, and Giants are all off to uninspired starts---But more important things to discuss. Who's going to win this conference this year, with Da Bears all graduating? Is it Brockport with Belucci and newly added Jon Rother and friends? Is it Cortland with everyone except O'Garrow back? Potsdam 3-peat? Plattsburgh with their JUCO-squad? Oswego w/ Nick the quick and Ahmad, but minus Ponza the southpaw? Geneseo minus Zera the All-american? Lets hear some posts.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on October 03, 2005, 06:47:29 pm
Brockport will definitely be one of the teams to beat. With Belluci, Harris , Williams, Rother, and another D1 transfer in Jerry Cheeves they will be tough. They also have 4 players coming off the bench that got big minutes like Amparo, podgorski, etc..  Im not sure who is really the team to beat but Bport will be near the top guaranteed!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on October 09, 2005, 12:38:39 pm
Took note of Rother settling at Bport. Figured that might be his resting place after KO'd at Cortland after team-leading stats from 03-04. Should be interesting early season (11/29) test sending CState to Bport. It'll be Port's lone home game of first semester.

Cortland debuting 11/18-19 in Franklin & Marshall tourney with Trinity (Ct) and Gwynedd-Mercy. Dragons open at home 11/22 vs. Elmira.

O'Garrow substantial loss. CStaters will need to fortify the point. Appear to have bolstered frontline through experienced 6-6 pickup who's been through some hoop wars (none of SUNYAC nature)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on October 10, 2005, 04:44:55 pm
Index i see that the port is in catholic's early season tourney, any idea who else is in it? I did notice that bport was on the road nonstop in the 1st semester.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on October 10, 2005, 05:06:09 pm
I just saw that eastern and drew are also in the catholic tourney. Drew looks absolutely terrible and they play catholic. Port draws eastern in the 1st game. I see that Bport is making a stop at York on the way down to DC to play against a VERY GOOD york squad. I believe they made it to the elite 8 or final 4 last year. Gotta hand it to whitmore year in and year out the y play the heavyweights, and always seem to have twice as many road games than home games.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2005, 09:05:51 pm
You saved yourself from me giving you a hard time about not looking at our schedule pages. :)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: formerbant10 on October 13, 2005, 03:06:12 pm
Anyone have any info on Cortland....I know they open up against Trinity (CT) down at F&M.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on October 14, 2005, 04:43:23 pm
In regards to the pre-season favorites in the conference, I think the YAC could be largely up for grabs with lots of talent having graduated. Brockport in my view is the preseason favorite having perhaps two of the best players in the conference, Ben Belluci and Jon Rother. Not sure if Rother will have one or two yrs of eligibility. I don't know if he played anywhere last season but if he did, I guess he'd just have one year. Williams gives the Golden Eagles another option up front and he's a tough kid and good rebounder. The loses of Andrews and Boswell will hurt, but I think the returning talent is at least enough to deem this team perhaps one of the tops in the conference.

Cortland and Oswego then follow after that. Both teams both back a majority of talent from last year. Also the Red Dragons and Lakers will miss key parts of last year's playoff teams. Justin O'Garrow for Cortland and Dave Ponza for Oswego. Cortland has talent faces returning in Dave Jutton, Brian Kirchoff and Frank Ranieri while Oswego counters with Nick Perioli, Ahmad Mims and Matt Burridge. Oswego had some postseason success last year it can build on having won an ECAC Upstate NY title.

After that I think its pretty up in the air. Plattsburgh's always tough with the players they bring in. Coach Curle needs a consistent effort night in and night out from Simmons and Gibbs-Smith and will have to bring in some more good JUCO transfers to replace Curtis Smith, Calvin Fraser and Johnnie Carter. Potsdam I would lump into the middle to lower tier just based on the fact they graduated five players who started and were the heart of the team. Coach Dobbs does a super job but I think this year may be one where Potsdam's getting things set for a run in the future. Lynn and Bisesi will form a decent backcourt combo. Oneonta had a good run late in the season last year and brings a substantial amount of talent back. Coach Medici in my view was the Coach of the Year in the conference last year so I think O-State will only get better. Possibly lump New Paltz in with this group because they graduated no one and bring the entire squad back (on paper at least).

And who knows what new faces will emerge and what surprises we'll have before the tip-off in about a month.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Spring of Poland on October 15, 2005, 12:14:51 am
Da Posterrrrr is back----Absolutely Coach Medici was the Coach of the year in the conference last year. Not only did he bring in fresh talent to a program that needed it, he was able to mold what was the worst team in the SUNYAC's in '03-'04 into a very respectable 8-8 conference record, and a tough quarterfinal loss at Cortland.

That being said, I don't think Oneonta has enough talent to be mentioned with the upper-tier teams--Brockport has to be the favorite; Rother, Belucci and 2 DI transfers will make this team the team to beat on paper. Can they co-exist with only one basketball though???

Don't count C-State out---4 starters back, 9 of their top 10 returning. That says a lot in a conference that turns over a lot year after year. Look what Potsdam did last year with their squad nearly in tact for a whole 'nother year.

Dark horses? NP isn't a bad choice...they didn't graduate anyone either..then again, is that a good thing or bad thing?---My pick might have to be Potsdam. Very tough to pick against Sherry Dobbs and P-Dam. he'll find a way to get things done.

Next question for the forum: What teams will change dramatically from last season? Either for the better, or worse?
Brockport going from 5th in the tourney, to Pre-season #1 is a good start. who else? good or bad?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on October 29, 2005, 02:48:40 pm
I believe SUNY-IT will make a big jump this season-I am not saying that they will contend for the sunyac title or finish 1,2, or 3 but they will be much improved.  They have a few juco transfers from CCC, Herkimer, and Mohawk Valley that were all region players that will instantly make them better.  And with Murphy you never know what can happen
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on October 30, 2005, 09:47:16 pm
That'll be a pretty big order for SUNYIT seeing that they lose Nick Grimmer and Rich Phillips.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on November 05, 2005, 12:58:44 pm
Bport looked good in a scrimmage at RIT today. Bport fell behind 5-0 but won the 1st half 37-20. They also won the second half 26-12. The big negative for bport was brandon williams only played about 10 minutes before rolling his ankle. He was done for the day after that. Also jon rother made the trip but didnt play because of a sprained ankle. Mandalano and cheeves looked very good in the 1st 20 min. Also belluci , rubertone and harris looked very good.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: retired12 on November 05, 2005, 01:13:17 pm
Any word on Potsdam's scrimmage last night?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: KING on November 07, 2005, 01:27:02 pm
Cortland looked solid in alumni game on sat. night.  only good things to say about new big man in the middle.  many returners will have the chance to shine now this year, and will need to if they want to contend with the fire power of bport and plats.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: KING on November 08, 2005, 12:52:07 pm
here is a little pre-season action in my mind...

1. Bport
2. Cortland
3. Plats
4. Oswego
5. New Plts
6. Buff st.
7. Oneonta
8. Fradonia
9. Pots
10. Geneseo
11. SUNYIT

... tell me what you think.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: retired12 on November 08, 2005, 04:45:39 pm
I would not sleep on Potsdam. Dobbs will have those guys ready come league play. Remember I said this when Jan. comes around.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on November 08, 2005, 07:01:54 pm
Retired 12 - I think you may have something.  9th is a little weak to be sure, but the SUNYAC is always tough.

Potsdam had enormous graduation losses, Harris, Clayton, Turner, Connolly & Brooks.  (Those five could probably make a nice contender by themselves). 

But the cupboard is not bear (pun intended).  Two time SUNYAC tourney MVP Edane Barton is back, and maybe the best athlete in the conference.  In 11 post season games over the last two years, Barton has averaged 15 pts, 8 rebounds, and three assists in about 25 minutes per game.  He will see a lot of time this year, and he has the skills and the experience to put up some big numbers.
 
Ernst Ducena led the conference in 3 pt shooting, and Dave Bisesi gives the Bears a scoring threat at the point, something they haven't had in about 6 years.

Dobbs and Co, know what they're doing, they have some nice recruits who are learning the differences between HS & College ball.  The speed at which they develop will be the key for Potsdam this year, as the depth beyond these three regulars is all new.

Potsdam opens against a talented Wilkes (Bo Ryan's alma mater) team in the North Country Tournament on 11/18 at Clarkson.  Wilkes features D-I transfer Chris Shovline who was one of the top players in PA HS ball in '03 & '04, and may be one of the best D-III guards anywhere.  That will be a good opening test for sure.

Scrimmages to date have been impressive, but the competition was not up to SUNYAC standards. 

T minus 9 and counting to season opener.

Can't wait.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawk Backer on November 08, 2005, 07:12:26 pm
Also watch out for Buff. State...

Losing the twins will be addition by subtraction, and new coach Fajri Ansari (former head coach of Buffalo HS power Turner Carroll -- Julius Page, Leonard Stokes, Loren Stokes, etc.) has plenty of returning talent.

Gregg Jones is one of the best pure scorers in the conference, and watch out for James Williams, a JUCO All-American from Brooklyn, to provide a low-post presence.

If I were anyone else in the SUNYAC, I would be very scared of Buff. State.  It has been a sleeping giant for a number of years, and Ansari has the assistants in place and the connections to get the recruiting job done.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 08, 2005, 11:39:48 pm
CStaters scrimmaged at home vs. Hobart this evening and ruled the closing 30 minutes on heels of ragged first 10'.  Hobart in second outside scrum; Corts their first. Red Dragons will surely be a force. A deep veteran squad despite losing O'Garrow at point and wing Brian Kirchoff.

Ranieri, Jutton, Headley, Skrelja, Jankiewicz, Q. Merritt capable hands. Will probably go with soph Derrick Fish (backup a year ago) at point till a current footballer clears his fall duties.

An addition of major proportions is senior Scott Taggart at 6-6, 250. A handful to say the least. Still a project is 6-8, 260 soph J. Sargent.

Dr. Bill Williams back on coaching staff -- the onetime CState head man (directing player TSpan) an aide along with Dave Muchnick, a Geneseo starter last season.

KINGer, at first look your preseason lineup has merit. Oneonta could elevate. Plenty of work ahead in Potsdam. At least eight freshmen aboard. But Coach D. and Cortland native Cohen know their stuff
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on November 09, 2005, 04:01:22 pm
KING(aka Kirchoff), why aren't you playing this year? I thought you were two years behind me and that would make you a college senior this year, wouldn't it? Why aren't you playing ball?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: retired12 on November 09, 2005, 10:37:11 pm
Any thoughts on preseason 1st Team?
Heres my picks...

Barton, Pdam
Jones, Buff St
Belluci, Bport
Peroli, Oswego
Simmons, Platts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on November 10, 2005, 12:20:42 am
Indication of the depth of SUNYAC, some pretty good folks that should also contend for first team honors

Heslin - Oneonta
Foluke-Henderson - New Paltz
Mims - Oswego
Sanzo - Fredonia (If healthy)
Rother - Brockport
Ranieri - Cortland

All of these folks are proven and capable of big years.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: sunyac fan on November 10, 2005, 02:31:10 am
Agree but how bout

1.Bport
2.Cort
3.Oneonta
4.Oswego
5.Pots
6.Platts
7.Buff st.
8.New paltz
9.Fredonia
10.Geneseo
11.SUNYIT

Always a tough league, and a bold prediction with Oneonta but showed promise at the end of last season under Medici and they have Heslin back along with 3 other starters.  Maybe out on a limb but....

Bport is the clear fav.  Cort always tough. Oswego has a very good pg with alot of experience.  But must say the SUNYAC's always leave me guessing so that's how I see it.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ILOVEBALL on November 10, 2005, 02:04:25 pm
I HAVE WATCHED LAST SEASON AND WAS IMPRESSED WITH ALOT OF TEAMS AND PLAYERS I THINK WITH THE LOSSES THAT A LOT OF TEAMS TOOK I THINK THE TOP FOUR MIGHT GO
BROCKPORT OR PLATTSBURGH 1 OR 2 EITHER WAY
CORTLAND
ONEONTA
BUFF STATE

AS FOR PLAYERS I WANT TO SEE IF BROCKPORT WILL HAVE ENOUGH BALL FOR EVERYONE I THINK THAT KRIS GIBBS SMITH IS THE BEST ATHLETE IN THE CONFERENCE BY FAR. HE CAN SCORE INSIDE AND OUT. I THINK HE WAS A LITTLE INCONSISTANT LAST YEAR BUT I THINK IT WAS HARD FOR HIM AND GILANI TO FIT IN ON A TEAM FULL OF PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO SCORE TWENTY A GAME SIMMONS AND GIBBS SMITH WILL BOTH MAKE FIRST TEAM AND IN MARCH REMEMBER I SAID THAT GIBBS SMITH WILL BE PLAYER OF THE YEAR. DONT FORGET HOW HE FINISHED OUT, SCORING A LOT OF POINTS IF HE COMES BACK LIKE HE FINISHED HE WILL BE PLAYER OF THE YEAR. I DONT KNOW ABOUT PLATTSBURGH'S RECRUITS BUT I THINK THAT THEY WILL BE VERY SOLID AS WELL AS BROCKPORT. BUFF STATE HAS A VERY GOOD TRANSFER PLAYER IT WILL BE A VERY GOOD SEASON WE SHALL SEE VERY SOON. BUT FIRST TEAM I HAVE

GIBBS SMITH
BELLUCI
SIMMONS
PERROLI
JONES

WE SHALL SEE IN AROUND A WEEK HOW THE SEASON STARTS
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: KING on November 10, 2005, 03:21:38 pm
Although they are still my pick to win the SUNYAC tourney, Bport MIGHT have to wait for star big man Jon Rother maybe until second half of the season.  This due to rumors that bc of some fuzzy NCAA rule and grimmy actions by the Cortland coaches and AD, he might have to sit.

In response to the Gibbs-Smith player of the year post... it WONT happen.  Not bc he doesn't have the talent or skill, but bc he is not mentally tough enough to do it night in and night out in the league.  My pick might be Barton of Pots. even though not my fav. player.  This is bc he will have the O run around his game and will not have to share the ball, in return putting up big numbers. 

Chad, get a hold of me personally and i'll tell you why.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ILOVEBALL on November 11, 2005, 11:36:54 am
YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION AND I HAVE MINE FAIR ENOUGH BUT GIBBS SMITH WILL ALSO BE IN THE SAME SITUATION BECAUSE THEY HAVE LOST 7 PLAYERS TWO WHICH SHOT THE BALL ALOT OF TIMES SO IM SURE THE COACH OVER THERE WILL BE HAVING THE BALL IN HIS HANDS ALOT MORE THIS SEASON BUT I AM NOT ONE TO TALK REMEMBER MY COMENTS IN MARCH BUT I HOPE IT IS A GOOD SEASON AND I CANT WIAT TO SEE GIBBS SMITH MATCH UP WITH BARTON AND WE WILL SEE WHO IS THE BETTER ATHLETE AND WHO CAN KEEP  THERE HEAD AND WHO GETS THE WIN.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on November 11, 2005, 10:58:28 pm
Brian,

Sad to see you go from the Red Dragons. It was enjoyable watching you play the last few years and I wish you the best of luck in the rest of your time at Cortland. You're a welcome edition to the board as we enter what's hoping to be an exciting season in the SUNYAC.

ILoveBBall,

If you're going to post about yourself, at least use your real name.  And if you're going to use an alias, make sure that your e-mail address doesn't give you away. 

I'll be talking about the SUNYAC and the rest of the East with Dave McHugh on Hoopsville this Tuesday night. Stay tuned to the main page for more information. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Spring of Poland on November 12, 2005, 12:21:13 am
Posterrrrrrrr is here----Less than a week to go before the season tips off, great posts so far in here, even better debates.

Cortland will undoubtedly miss Kirchoff's outside shooting, and underrated rebounding as well. However, if that big transfer is as good as all the Cortlandites say he is, he slides into that empty spot into the lineup, Ranieri and Headley slide down a position. Not that bad.

As for Brockport: Rother is unable to play 1st semester because Brockport gave him bad advice by letting him go to a CC last year for a semester. Nothing to do with anything from Cortland's end. It's not up to them. Rother has to have a year of "residence" at Brockport before playing. He doesn't. End of story. However with only 2 or 3 Conference games played in the 1st semester anyways, not that huge of a deal I wouldn't think. Belucci and Co. will have enough power to have a fine 1st semester.

What's with all the bashing of P-Dam in here? 9th in the Conference? C'mon...They still have Barton. They still have some decent backups from last year's squad, and they have a fine recruiting class from what my sources tell me. They'll be more than fine. Pencil them in for 9-10 wins in Conference play.

My picks:
Brockport
Cortland
Oswego
Potsdam
Oneonta
Plattsburgh (Without Simmons; he's no longer there)
Buffalo St. (So long as these transfers are the real deal)
New Paltz
Geneseo
Fredonia
SUNYIT

To me, it's a 3 team race. Port, C-State and the Lakers seem pretty far removed from everyone else. Fair to say?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: lakernation on November 14, 2005, 11:33:21 pm
Should be a great season, building off of last year.  Real tough to call a favorite in this race.  B-Port, Cort, O-Town, you know Potsdam will be there, an up and down Platty team makes for a very top heavy and competitive league this year.  I cant wait to get things started.

Now its time for a shameless plug.  You can catch the action of the Max Ziel Tourny this weeked on 88.9 FM WNYO, and webcast @ www.oswego.edu/~wnyo


Lets tip it up!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on November 15, 2005, 03:01:33 pm
Basketball instead of Lakers hockey on WNYO this weekend? Blasphemy! :)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: lakernation on November 16, 2005, 08:48:49 am
Hey, its the first weekend for basketball.  Gotta do it.  For the second straight year, hockey will take a back seat to basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2005, 01:32:35 am
Be sure to head over to the Multi-Regional Topics Board and select your team for the new Survivor Pool!  :D

You might actually win something!  ;D

Deadline is Friday before the first game's tipoff
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2005, 04:35:49 pm
Conference has nine teams out of the gate tonight, all tourney dates. Four at home:
 Buff St and first year coach Fajri Ansari host Marietta (Naz-Pitt Bradford other 1st round);  young Oswegos entertain NY York (Caz-Skidmore); unknown Plats vs. Hartwick (Lehman-WNEng); UTech vs. Alb Pharm (UC-Vt SJoe)

Five travel:
Corts at F&M fest in Lancaster and draws Ct's Trinity (F&M-Gwynedd Mercy), Freds at Rutgers-Newark vs. Emerson (RN-Centenary), NP at Hamilton vs. Messiah (Hams-Medaille), Oneonta at Muhlenberg vs. Lynchburg (Mules-StatenIsle), PBears in Clarkson vs. Wilkes (Clarks-PSmiths)

Bports (w/Bellucci, D1 import Cheves and wo/Rother) begin season and road show  Tuesday at StLawrence, while Genesees have tourney duty Sat/Sun at Emmanuel vs. WConn (Emman-MIT)

Interesting that no traveling SUNYAC team faces host in first round. Might that mean home side desires to steer clear of tougher 1st rounder (vs. SUNYAC) in order to make final?

Do know Corts relishing challenge at F&M where three other entries all potent. F&M perennial postseason team (23-7 last season) and coach nearing 700 Ws at the school. G-M 23-5 and 26-3 last two winters but lost 6-9 center to pros. Trintiy coming off 19-7 season and features preseason A-A center Tyler Rhoten (22.1 ppg, 7.9 rpg), onetime football scholarship candiate at Syracuse
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on November 18, 2005, 10:33:04 pm
Potsdam opens with gritty 68-55 win against a veteran Wilkes team with 10 of top 12 back from last year

Foul plagued contest with 48 fouls called and 4 fo's (two for each side).

Senior wing Ernst Ducena led the Bears with 21 pts on 7-11 from the floor including 3-4 from beyond the arc.  Ducena also put the clamps on Wilkes star soph Chris Shovlin, who was held to 11 pts, including 4 in the last three minutes when Potsdam sported a double digit lead.  Edane Barton added 12 first half points for the Bears, who return three regulars and sport 10 new players on the roster.

Potsdam played suffocating defense, forcing 22 turnovers, and also outrebounding the Colonels 34-35.

Potsdam's eight freshmen and 10 newcomers played a total of 89 minutes, and made solid contributions scoring, defending, and on the boards.  Potsdam went 11 deep in the opener against a tough opponent.

Potsdam faces Clarkson, 81-51 winner over USCAA opponent Paul Smiths in the 4 PM title tilt.

So far, so good. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2005, 11:25:59 pm
Cortland nipped 78-77 by Trinity (Ct) in what must have been a good 'un. Corts up 36-34 at half; overall was 28x51fg, 6x10 3s, 15x23 ft. Very few TOs either side. Trinity 31-28 reb edge; 30x58 fg, 12x14ft. New Dragon center S. Taggart 20 pts (8x13fg), 11 reb; R. Headley 15 pts; D. Jutton 14 pts, D. Maggiacomo (3x4 3s) 11 pts. off bench. F. Ranieri 8 pts. Trinity A-A pivot T. Rhoten (11x18fg) 25 pts, 4 rebs.
Corts tomorrow vs. G-M, 73-68 fall to host Franklin & Marshall

Buffalo State in record 138-83 drilling of Marietta, Oh. Twas 73-46 at half with BS 31x47fg then and finished 57x84. Whew! J. Williams 28 pts, 11 reb. in 19'. G. Jones 17 pts. in 19', J. Tirado 14, D. Mozelle 14, C. Guiden 7 stls, 6 assts. BS 35 TOvers, Marietta 40!! Goes against Naz in final

Oneonta stops Lynchburg 64-54 as victims 4x25fg in 1st half. OState up 24-18 at intermission. S. Coffey (5x9fg, 3x5 3s) 16 pts, E. Bratt (9x10ft) 13 pts. in spare role, B. Heslin 10 pts, 4 swipes and R. Morin 4 blks

Fredonia 64, Emerson 60

Utica Tech 98, Albany Pharmacy 48

Oswego 81, York, NY 69

New Paltz bows to Messiah 84-75. Tied 35-35 at the break and at 40 in 2nd half. J. Hauser 17 pts, J. Carter 15, M. Irwin 10 pts, 6 assts and B. Kaible 10 pts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gatoradio on November 19, 2005, 02:23:22 am
Potsdam looked decent in their opener this evening versus Wilkes (PA).  The pre-season rankings of Wilkes (#10 in D3) was more than a bit off - and what we saw on the court certainly wasn't indicative of that recognition.  Somehow they managed to keep the game within reach throughout despite being over-played by the Bears. 

Wilkes had a decent press.  Not much for creating turnovers, but good in slowing the pace down to keep a streaky team like Potsdam at bay.  Some great 3-point shooters to boot.  A few more passes to them and the game might have gone down to the wire.  Definite rebounding abilities as well.  They pulled down a lot of boards, even having the good fortune of rebounding many of their own foul shots, which lead to many second chance opportunities from errant field goal attempts.  Admittedly, the height advantange was on Wilkes side and played a significant role in helping that to happen.

Potsdam had its moments as well.  Good penetration in the Paint. All stemming from players who move around without the ball - a great deal more than last year - and indicative of a team-effort as opposed to placing the burden on the returners. Reliable distance shooters coming through in the clutch.  I'm still warming up to the Idea of Barton playing the 4 position, when he had been playing 3 up until this year, but the Bears need him to fill that slot unless the new recruit class matures in that role.  Scary moment for Edane - a close brush with a rolled ankle while trying to turn a stolen ball breakaway into what appeared to be a dunk, but fortunately had most of his weight was on the other foot and fell forward instead of on it.

Many new faces for the Bears this year.  Dobbs substitutes and rotates with such frequency, that everyone got a lot of quality court time, rotation that was especially helpful in the whistle-fest that played out this evening. 

*insert your own referee jab here*  ;o)  (j/k!)

I can't recall a time after the first ten minutes that Bisesi, Barton, & Ducena were all on the court playing together.  It's great to see new talent being rotated into prime time minutes early on, and against a purportedly "good" school, it sends a confident message to the players that Sherry has confidence in them, and is not content to just rely heavily on his returners to make things happen.

One new addition that looked promising from tonight that may be deserving of an "upgrade" was Freshman Gaurd Alvin Dike, who showed some instances of great ball handling, speed, and agility in the paint. It looks like he must have spent a good amount of time over the summer practicing on his hometown courts in Brooklyn to refine those improv skills.

Come home games, watch out... the crowd definitely contributes like a "6th man" .  The Maxcy Maniacs have grown, and the Energy Pep band is also due to be in full force once again.

If the Bears returners remain healthy, they'll run with the top schools in the SUNYAC.  Likely in the 2 or 3 spot - depending on how quickly the freshman squad step up and take to the Dobbs system. 

More to come following tomorrows match-up versus victorious host team Clarkson.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on November 19, 2005, 10:25:50 am
Congrats to the bears on an out of conf victory. I always root for the sunyac out of conf. I dont see anything telling me wilkes was #10 in d3 preseason rankings?? They were 15-12 last year and finished either 5th or 6th in there conference. I also dont see them receiving a single vote in the preseason top 25??
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on November 19, 2005, 11:19:16 am
Re: Wilkes/Potsdam

As noted elsewhere on the board, the #10 ranking was Smith & Street's, a once a year ranking done without even knowing who's on the team.

Wilkes was 15-10 last year in a tough league with Kings & Scranton.

They have 10 of their top 12 back, and started 1 freshman.  they are big, 6-8, 6-6, 6-5.

They have a potential D-III AA in soph Chris Shovlin who averaged 18.8 ppg last year after transferring from D-I Monmouth.  He was a two year first team all-state player in PA, and for a while was being courted by Rutgers of the Big East.  He was blanketed by Potsdam captain Ernst Ducena, held to 11 pts.  Ducena meanwhile tossed in 21 including 3x4 from long range.

Wilkes was picked as the preseason favorite in their league based on all their returning talent, and there is a lengthy snippet on them in Mark Simon's column this week.

That being said, they couldn't handle Potsdam's half court pressure, and Potsdam's athleticism won the battle of the boards by 9, despite a Bear height disadvantage of about 3" per position.

Potsdam has three returning regulars, five letterman total, but has reloaded with 8 freshmen, 1 JUCO, and one walkon who came to Potsdam to study, held his own in the off-season wars and has turned into a nice player.

Top Freshmen appear to be Alvin Dike, Msgr. Scanlon, NYC, & Brandon Siskavich 6-7 C/F, Peru, NY.   Both have nice games and will contribute right from the get go. 

Dobbs & Co. know what they're doing, work hard at it, and know that tough defense generates lots of good things in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 19, 2005, 12:41:52 pm
Plattsburgh 68, Hartwick 43

SUNYACs 7-2 on opening night

Cortland in heart-wrenching setback to Trinity. Four-point play (trey + ft) with 11 seconds left the difference. Ouch! Corts led entire second half till then, 47-36 at 17:22, 50-39 at 16:35, 71-64 at 4:55 ........
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 19, 2005, 07:28:31 pm
Potsdam over Clarkson 74-60 for crown. Extends 35-31 half lead quickly to 43-31. E. Barton 17 pts, 9 rebs, 6 assists to land mvp. E. Ducena (4x7fg) 13 pts, D. Bisesi 13 pts, 3 assts, both all tourney team. Bears 22x51fg, 23x37ft. Clarkson 49-32 reb margin but hit only 33%fg

Buffalo State recovers from 39-36 halftime hole to stop Naz 83-73 for title. MVP J. Williams (7x14fg) 22 pts, 4 assts in 34'. D. Mozelle all tourney with (8x11fg) 18 pt game. C. Hepburn (8x12ft) 16 pts in 14', J. Wingate 13 pts. BS bench nets 49 pts. to Naz 12. Naz' J. Canori all tourney with (10x17fg) 35 pts, 8 rebs in going the distance. BS 27x62fg, Naz 23x61fg (13x24 3s). Pitt Bradford over Marietta 131-119 in consi. Naz over PB 92-72 in Friday start

New Paltz takes consi 93-66 over Medaille at Hamilton. Hawks 12 up at 11:15 of first half and Medaille never under double figure deficit. NP 55-35 half; hit 36x66fg for game, 11x19 3s. K. Crichlow 18 pts, 4 assts, all tourney J. Hauser 16 pts, 7 rebs, M. Irwin 13 pts, 8 assts; B. Kaible 11 pts and provides early spark. Widest lead at 29 pts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 19, 2005, 11:03:19 pm
Geneseo wins first rounder over W. Conn. 65-48 in Emmanuel tourney. T. Kitson, last season's rookie of year, with 19 pts. (8x13fg), 11 reb; S. McDonnell 14 pts, 9 rebs; G. Spears 12 pts; S. Sciera 8 pts, 7 rebs, B. Bennett 6 assts. Leads 35-23 at half. Outboards WC 52-34. Plays MIT in Sunday final

Fredonia falls 76-51 in final of Rutgers-Newark tourney to host. Freds 17x54fg (9x30 3s). Trail 39-20 at half with mere 7x28fg shooting to RN 13x25. T. Anderson (5x7fg, 3x5 3s) with 16 pts; C. Donohue 8 pts; all tourney K. Gordon 7 rebs, 3 pts. Gordon 19 pts, 10 reb. in opener vs. Emerson

Oneonta beaten by Muhlenberg 72-62 in latter's tourney final

Utica Tech downed 90-77 by Utica College in UT tourney title go
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 19, 2005, 11:56:53 pm
Cortland takes third place in F&M Tourney by beating Gwynedd-Mercy, Pa. 85-67. Red Dragons shoot to 38-27 edge at break. F. Ranieri 23 pts (9x14fg, 2x2 3s), 11 rebs, 4 assts; D. Maggiacomo (5x10 3s) 17 pts, 3 assts in 18'; R. Headley (6x11fg) 15 pts, 6 rebs; S. Taggart (7x10 fg) 15 pts, 6 rebs in 17'. Corts 32x67fg, 10x23 3s, just 5 TOvers

Plattsburgh 83, W. New England 64 in Pburgh tourney final. Cards 34-33 half leaders

Oswego 77, Skidmore 55 in Oswego final. Lakers 41-28 up at half
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: unbearable on November 20, 2005, 07:28:34 pm
Hello jdex, Bear, and others.  Hope all is well with you.

An interesting start to the year.

SUNYAC 2-1 vs. E8, 2-0 vs. LL.

SUNYAC 16-7 overall.

Good win for Potsdam over Wilkes, who was picked to win the MAC Freedom league (Scranton, King's, etc.)  I think those who picked the Bears to finish ninth in the league might be a little surprised come March. Good early test next Tuesday when Plattsburgh visits Potsdam. Can Gibbs-Smith carry the Cards, who lost Carter, Arterberry, Jelani Simmons, and Smith from last year? We'll see.

Anyone who saw Potsdam destroy St. John Fisher by 24 in the Sweet 16 last year should not be surprised that Fisher lost to Baldwin Wallace from the OAC in their opener.  Their preseason #7 ranking was laughable, and the person who voted them #1 in the country in the preseason poll ought to have his/her head examined.  Talk about no sense of perspective.  No disrespect on last year's 28-0 start, which is a great accomplishment, but beating up on Hartwick, Elmira, Nazareth, et al.  doesn't exactly mean you can hang with tougher Divison III teams.

Most unbelievable stat of the weekend, Wilkes up 27-0 and then 45-1 to start consolation game vs. Paul Smith's. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on November 20, 2005, 08:41:30 pm
Most unbelievable stat of the weekend, Wilkes up 27-0 and then 45-1 to start consolation game vs. Paul Smith's. 

Daaaaaammmmnnnn.  What the heck is Paul Smith's anyway (besides a College of Forestry)? I know they're not D3, I wouldn't guess they're D2 if they got beat down like that.

Heyyyy, my first post of Year 2 on d3hoops.com....and it's on the SUNYAC board asking about Paul Smith.

So who's the team to beat this year? I hear Brockport is back to being strong, but Potsdam should have something to say about that. Oswego? Cortland?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 20, 2005, 10:52:37 pm
Hey, Caz, you might want to try some previous pages on SUNYAC board.

Paul Smith's a north country institution. Don't know its affiliation; not NCAA, we believe. Wilkes 95, PS 39 consi at Pdam

On Sunday:
Geneseo saw 28-27 halftime edge vanish in 68-60 slip to MIT in Emmanuel Tourney (Boston) final. Knights in 44-38 lead midway through final half, then slipped. S. McDonnell (8x15fg) 21 pts, T. Kitson 12 pts., both all tourney. S. Sciera 13 pts, 8 rebs. Gens 25x53fg but just 2x15 3s while MIT 7x18 there (23x50fg)

Buffalo St. in third game in three days lost at D1 UBuffalo 96-61; outboarded 49-29 and shoots 24x60fg to Bulls 34x69. UB 36-16 inside point edge. G. Jones (6x11fg) 16 pts; J. Williams 5 blks, 11 pts, 5 rebs

On Saturday, Cortland's F. Ranieri all tourney at F&M meet where Trinity, Ct. won title, 84-75, in OT

Oneonta's Saturday loss to host Muhlenberg had Dragons within 64-62 at 1:18; was 32-31 game at half. OStater
's Heslin (7x14fg) 17 pts; Murphy (6x9 fg) 12 pts, 9 rebs; Coffee (6x12fg) 15 pts 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gatoradio on November 21, 2005, 03:49:04 am
According to their website, Paul Smiths College is a member of the United States Collegiate Athletic Association (USCAA) which is comprised of small colleges throughout the United States with an enrollment less than 1500.  They are a member of the Northern Independence Conference (NIC) which is composed primarily of small institutions in New York and New England.

I was unable to locate a central web page for the NIC  conference, but according to Paul Smiths' season schedule, it would appear that some other schools in the conference are:  Clinton CC, Albany Pharmacy, Vermont Tech, New Hampshire Tech, Lyndon State, Green Mountain, Word of Life, and North Country CC.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on November 21, 2005, 07:15:54 pm
Paul Smiths is a former two year school that has moved to four year, but with a decent number of one year certificate and two year associates programs still extant.  They have about 800 students and are located 20 miles Northwest of Lake Placid.

They have been playing more four year schools lately, and usually are a W for the nearby D-III Schools, Clarkson, Potsdam, SUNYIT and Plattsburgh usually have them on the schedule or in a tournament.

Wilkes had a bone in their teeth after the loss to Potsdam, and they just pounded Paul Smiths, who gave away about 5 inches per man.

Potsdam-Clarkson game was a struggle for the first half, then Dobbs made a couple of half-time adjustments, and the Bears ripped off 8 unanswered pts to start the second half.  Built the lead to 21 before Dobbs cleared the bench with about 3:00 to play.  Clarkson left regulars in and came back to a final margin of 14.  Dobbs played 14 of 15 on his roster and the 9 new guys played a total of 82 minutes, so they are getting baptized into college ball right out of the gate,

Much taller Clarkson had a big rebounding edge, but shot poorly both inside and outside.

Plattsburgh has reloaded, couple of athletic transfers, Gibbs-Smith is the go to guy, but he seems to have a decent supporting cast.  Despite their huge losses from last season, they will be competitive, they have good size, and athleticism.  Will be tough at their place for sure, particularly for those teams that have to play Potsdam on Friday and the Cards on Saturday.

Cards travel to Jerry Welsh Gym on 11/29 for a big early season game that should help sort out the haves and have-nots in the SUNYAC. 

Happy Turkey Day everyone.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 22, 2005, 01:14:15 am
Oneonta takes 78-69 tumble in home opener vs. Utica College (3-0). Dragons down 34-31 in opening 20' despite B. Heslin 15 pts. OState quickly digs bigger hole. Heslin finishes with 20 pts. (7x11fg, 2x4 3s),  11 rebs. E. Bratt 12 pts., J. Murphy 12 pts, M. Reardon 11 pts, 6 assts. Ddragons 26x65fg, 6x21 3s. UC 24x50fg paced by J. Bryant 24 pts, 14 rebs. OState 1-2
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Post by: bports on November 22, 2005, 08:53:23 am
Bport opens there season on the road tonight at 1-1 St Lawrence. Its a nice little advantage for St Lawrence to have already played 2 games, and playing the port with out rother in the post. I would love to go to the game but Bport to Canton is a serious hike.  I expect big games out of belluci, cheeves,maldonado, and harris.
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Post by: jdex on November 22, 2005, 11:09:24 am
While Bports take to the road this evening vs. St. Lawrence, Cortland (1-1) has Elmira at home, New Paltz greets Mt. St. Mary's, and Fredonia treks to D'Youville
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Post by: bports on November 22, 2005, 07:10:21 pm
Just listened to the Bport pregame show and i have some bad news for Bport fans. Not only is rother not eligeable until 2nd semester but harris and williams are off the team. I have no idea if this is a one game suspension, a 1 semester suspension or if they are off the team for good. To sum this up Bport is without 3 starters, and is only dressing 10 players.
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Post by: jdex on November 22, 2005, 10:14:16 pm
Cortland (2-1) dispatches Elmira 84-52 at CState. Sees 37-27 halftime lead dwindle to 7 before pulling away. Dragons 50% from field, 56% 2nd half. F. Ranieri 16 pts, 9 rebs, 6 assts; D. Maggiacomo 14 pts (3x4 3s), R. Headley 11 pts, 7 rebs; S. Skrelja 11 pts, 7 rebs; D. Jutton 11 pts. (3x3 3s)

Brockport opens campaign with rallying 77-74 win at St. Lawrence. D. Maldonado 10 foot bucket at 3:05 snaps 66-66 tie and Bports never headed.  Larries within 74-72 when fts extend Bport edge. SL final bid off rim. Hosts up early 23-11; Eagles close to 35-31 at half. Bport first lead of final half at 61-60, and J. Cheves trey makes it 64-60. Cheves 6 3s in 25 pt. game (16 in 2nd half), 6 rebs. B. Bellucci 15 pts, 7 rebs. Maldonado 11 pts. Bkport 25x69 fg (9x18 3s); SL 33-31 reb edge but Saints with 32 TOvers (Bport 16)
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Post by: jdex on November 22, 2005, 11:56:30 pm
And,
New Paltz (2-1) def. Mt. St. Mary 63-57 in first round of Hudson Valley Shootout. At home, NP overcame 30-29 intermission deficit. M. Irwin trey put NP up with 12:52 left. Only 1 ahead at 3:52, Hawks finished well. J. Hauser 20 pts, 7 reb; B. Kaible 10 pts, 8 rebs. NP vs. Vassar 11/30 in final

Fredonia (2-1) takes D'Youville 61-55 in OT in Buffalo. C. Donahue 3-pter starts off extra frame. T. Alassari (15 pts, 9 rebs, 3 stls) hits 2ft with :12 left in second half. T. Anderson 19 pts, 6 assts, K. Gordon 8 rebs
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Post by: thebear on November 27, 2005, 06:50:35 pm
Preview of SUNYAC openers Tuesday night. Pairings match top teams and traditional rivals.  Conference co-favorite Oswego gets the bye on Tuesday.

Cortland  at Brockport   
Two of top three preseason picks in conference tipoff.  D-I transfer Cheves a scoring machine for the Eagles, but Dragons have 10 of top 12 back from their second place team, plus a top inside player in Scott Taggart who held his own against 1st team preseason AA Tyler Rhoten of Trinity in season opener, in a game decided in closing seconds.

Fredonia  at Buffalo State   
Fredonia has everyone back, but Buffalo State has a new coach, top talent returning, and a new force in the middle in 6'8 James Williams.

SUNYIT  at Geneseo   
Geneseo made a run at the end of the season, but lost conference POY in Zera.  Kitson was conference ROY and Steve McDonnell, top perimeter player return.  IT lost two best players, but has veteran coach Tom Murphy at the helm, and several top JUCO's

Oneonta  at New Paltz   
Coach Vince Medici turned program around in one year, and has core returning including excellent size on the front line.  NP lost top two scorers, but will be more team oriented and has a top player in John Hauser.  Will Oneonta playing Monday/Tuesday after a layoff hurt the Dragons?

Plattsburgh  at Potsdam

Unbeaten archrivals open their conference season.  Bears return two time tourney MVP Edane Barton, 3pt ace Ernst Ducena, and SUNYAC coach of the year Sherry Dobbs.  Development and maturation of Bears talented newcomers (10 including 8 freshmen) will be the key.
Plattsburgh returns Kris Gibbs-Smith, an amazing athletic talent, and adds two talented Xfers in Anthony Williams (Morgan State) and Travis Gorham (Post U/Ct).  Although Cards lost a myriad of all-conference talent, they may be a better team this year.

Great pairings, will learn a lot about the strength of the conference right from the get go.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 28, 2005, 03:24:50 pm
Bports,
Yes, indeed, what's up with Eagles? Current roster at Bport site lists just nine players. No Harris, No Williams in addition to expected no Rother this semester
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 28, 2005, 04:12:57 pm
Just realized Brockport played Sunday. Nine man cast lost at Hamilton, 102-88. Trailed 48-38 at half. Shot 29x57 with 10 3s. Hams went 39x78fg with 44-30 board advantage. B. Bellucci 34 pts (12x17fg, 8x10ft), J. Cheves 19 pts (7x13fg, 5 3s), K. Amparo 13 pts (4x10fg)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on November 28, 2005, 04:33:06 pm
As roster indicates, word on the street is that Harris and Williams are off the Brockport team, but no public details as to why.  Whitmore will still keep the Eagles competitive even with 9 on the roster.

Hamilton is a deep/talented team, they are much improved with Welchons running the show. 

Hamilton is always a tough place for a road game.

Looks like it was a scrappy battle with 4 players T'd up in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 28, 2005, 07:45:14 pm
A bit more digging had Bport/Hams game over early in second half. Conts scored a bunch early then, and led by 25 late. Bellucci with 36 pts, 29 in 2nd half. Bport with 31 TOvers.
Hectic pace for sure. Hamilton (at least website) had final score 102-90 stead of 102-88.

In addition to Tuesday's SUNYAC starters, Oneonta hosting Caz tonight, and Oswego at Caz on Wed.  when New Paltz faces Vassar in Hudson Valley Tourney final
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 29, 2005, 01:07:48 am
Oneonta rolls 82-59 over Cazenovia. Total control for Dragons, up 44-33 at midway mark and 70-44 with 9' left. J. Murphy 18 pts (5x7 fg, 8x10ft), 9 reb. for 2-2 OState. S. Coffey 12 pts (5x10fg, 2x6 3s), M. Reardon 10 pts, J. Winans 4 assts. go 30x73fg, 19x26ft
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 29, 2005, 10:26:12 pm
Cortland 73, Brockport 72 at Bport. All it was cracked up to be. D. Maggiacomo 3pter (F. Ranieri asst) at 0:13 wins it after hosts' D. Ruberton layup at 0:27 breaks 70-70 tie. Bport doesn't get final shot. Turnover at end.
Maggiacomo `3' to close out 1st half made it 41-41.
Bport scores game's 1st 8 pts -- widest lead of the game. CState up 23-19, Bport 35-30.

For CState, R. Headley (7x10fg) 18 pts in 28'; Ranieri (6x10fg) 15 pts, 4 assts), S. Taggart (6x8fg) 12 pts, 8 rebs; Maggiacomo (4x14fg) 10 pts in 27' off bench; S. Skrelja (4x9fg) 9 pts, 9 rebs.

Cortland 30x58fg (6x16 3s). Shoots 16x30 1st half. Bport 30x64fg (5x22 3s). Corts 7x12ft, Bport 7x8. Bport 37-29 reb margin,  with 15 TOvers to Cstate 15.

B. Bellucci (8x20fg) 20 pts, 10 rebs, 3 assts, 8 TOvers in 35'; J. Cheves (6x10fg, 3x10 3s) 15 pts in 34'. K. Amparo (6x10fg) 12 pts, 5 asts; J. Zenkel 6 assts
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Post by: bearseh on November 29, 2005, 10:34:35 pm
Potsdam 86 - Plattsburg 74 in Bears SUNYAC opener. Ernst Ducena: 6 - 11 from the field with four 3's. Dave Besesi scores big (18) from the point. Devon Taft came alive from the field pmping in 17. Tim Reinhardt played big off the bench with 9 providing just enough inside threat, along with Brenden Siskavich

Chris Gibbs-Smith knocked down 23 for the Cards although 9 of those were after the game was out of reach.

Defense? Not tonight - Bears shot 50% from the field, Cards 46%, although Ducena did a solid job on Gibbs-Smith holding him to 14 (came in averaging 28) for the first 35 minutes.

Once again, Plattsburg had control issues. Players barked at the Z's, coach T'd up once. Cards appeare to have enough talent to win if clear heads prevail. Otherwise, another year of disappointment.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 29, 2005, 10:58:20 pm
New Paltz 76, Oneonta 75
Buffalo St. 90, Fredonia 76
Utica Tech 75, Geneseo 72, OT
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 29, 2005, 11:14:30 pm
Buffalo State easily over guest Fredonia 90-76 with scintillating 35x59 (10x15 3) floor accuracy. G. Jones a terror with 31 pts. (10x13fg, 6x7 3s), 5 reb. in 28'. J. Williams 14 pts. (6x13fg), 3 assts, 2 blks in 24'; D. Mozelle 13 pts (6x7fg) in 18'. BS controls first half in 51-37 style, dropping 21x32fg (6x7 3s). Freds unshabby 13x26fg by half, finish 23x57. T. Anderson 17 pts, 6 rebs for victims; M. Kelly 16 pts (4x8fg, 7x8ft), D. Watkins (5x9fg) 15 pts, 7 rebs; T. Alassdari 12 pts. BS with 22 assists

Utica Tech goes OT to win 75-72 at Geneseo. Tech up 41-35 at half and never trails the rest of the way, though tied at least twice in 2nd half. Was 64-64 on Geneseo S. McDonnell trey 3:32 from end of reg. Adams hoop gives UT edge before G. Spears bucket at 2:13 makes it 66-66 through reg. Tied at 68 when Adams layup puts Tech ahead for good.
Five Techs in double figures: C. Bien-Aime 14 pts (4x6 3s), C. Brown 13 pts (10 reb), and reserves C. Plante 12 pts (3x5 3s), C. Reaves 10 pts (3 stls), J.P. Adams 10 pts. M. Abrawad 10 of UT's 14 assts and adds 7 rebs. A. Gilkes 10 rebs. UT 29x63fg, 9x14 3s.
McDonnell 26 pts. in defeat, shooting 9x24fg -- 8x21 3s! Has 5 assts. Spears (5x12fg) 12 pts, T. Kitson 8 rebs, B. Bennett 7 rebs, S. Sciera 10 rebs. Knights 28x74fg, 12x34 3s. Last Geneseo lead 32-30 with 4:19 left in half.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gatoradio on November 30, 2005, 12:42:02 am
Potsdam v. Plattsburg @ Welsh Gymnasium.  Bears home opener.  Arrived late due to prior obligations, and so I didn't get to see the first 8 minutes of the game.  Nothing impressive seemed to haved happened in that stretch according to my fellow fans - both teams seemingly playing unispired.  The Bears looked a little sluggish on the offensive end of things - not going all-out for rebounds, players not moving around away from the ball.  Plattsburgh likewise had difficulties getting settled into their offense, which was radically centered around Chris Gibbs-Smith - definitely a talented INDIVIDUAL, but not really  a team player.  After several time outs, he didn't even put a hand in when the team circled round for a quick chant to wrap up and regroup.  He did good in isolation, and taking it to the hole, driving into the lane, but didn't seem to mesh with the rest of the guys on the court, preferring to take the shot instead of dishing it off to an ungaurded player.  The Bears were able to effectively rotate defensive coverage amongst several players to keep out of foul trouble for the most part.  A couple of streaks for both teams to finish out the first half, Plattsburghs starting line having a distinct advantage in experience when Dobbs rotated in the second line leading to a 10-0 run for the Cards.
The Bears are demonstrating thus far to be a second half team.  There was additional spring in their step as they warmed into the second stanza.  Several players, notably freshman Brandon Siskavich is developing skills in posting up and working the interior of the offensive court, something which the Bears are still sporadic in their use of.  So far, it's been a disadvantage, especially since less fouls are drawn from jump shots and they haven't been able to exploit their excellent free throw percentage as much as they could be.
Midway through the second period the Bears were able to string together several consecutive scores, bringing the lead to around 10.  After this, the biggest factor in the game became foul shooting.  I'll have to leave the actual percentages to the statisticians on this one, but I'd figure that the Bears shoot about 80% from the charity stripe while the Cards faired not much better than 30%.  In a game with many whistles, it could have been a lot closer, but Plattsburgh couldn't buy a made foul shot to save their life, and some of the attempts were just plain ugly.  I hope that the Cards sincerely spend some time working on this aspect of the game in the upcoming weeks if they want to be able to compete in close games down the stretch.
The Bears main liabilities still lie in two areas, experience, and height.  Dobbs is working feverishly to bring the newer players along, and only time will demonstrate whether it will be in time to generate waves come the second hald of the season, and whatever games may lay beyond that for the Bears.  In terms of addressing the height shortage, rebounds are being tipped outward instead of upword, and this gives the Bears the edge back, as they are able to scrap away the loose ball with their quickness.
I still would like to see the Bears use this lack of size more to their advantage, making speed an integral part of their offense, moving without the ball, and passing through zone defenses instead of going around the horn to exploit 2 on 1 situations in the paint.  The complement needed to make that happen will be the maturing of at least 2 players to play the high/low post, and setting up plays to take advantage of the quick look in.  Who Dobbs chooses to do that will be up to him, but it's a facet that needs to become a part of the offense if the Bears want to stay with the top teams in the SUNYAC, as much as decent 3-point percentages have been on their side thus far.

The Bears go on to play Clarkson U on Thursday in a non-conference match at home.  The Golden Knights are a team that the Bears recently knocked off in a 4-team tournament a couple of weeks back.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gatoradio on November 30, 2005, 12:51:46 am
Potsdam v. Plattsburg @ Welsh Gymnasium.  Bears home opener.  Arrived late due to prior obligations, and so I didn't get to see the first 8 minutes of the game.  Nothing impressive seemed to haved happened in that stretch according to my fellow fans - both teams seemingly playing unispired.  The Bears looked a little sluggish on the offensive end of things - not going all-out for rebounds, players not moving around away from the ball.  Plattsburgh likewise had difficulties getting settled into their offense, which was radically centered around Chris Gibbs-Smith - definitely a talented INDIVIDUAL, but not really what I'd surmise to be a team player.  After one time out, he didn't even put a hand in when the team circled round for a quick chant to wrap up and regroup.  He's definitely the go-to player for the Cards and can get the job done, but he's likewise got a temper that can both help and harm the Cards.  He did good in isolation, and taking it to the hole, driving into the lane, but didn't seem to mesh with the rest of the guys on the court, preferring to take the shot instead of dishing it off to another player.  The Bears were able to effectively rotate defensive coverage amongst several players to keep out of foul trouble for the most part.  A couple of streaks for both teams to finish out the first half, Plattsburgh's starting line having a distinct advantage in experience when Dobbs rotated in the second line leading to a 10-0 run for the Cards.

The Bears are demonstrating thus far to be a second half team.  There was additional spring in their step as they warmed into the second stanza.  Several players, notably freshman Brandon Siskavich is developing skills in posting up and working the interior of the offensive court, something which the Bears are still sporadic in their use of.  So far, it's been a disadvantage, especially since they draw less fouls from jump shots and therefore haven't been able to exploit their excellent free throw percentage as much as they could be.

Midway through the second period the Bears were able to string together several consecutive scores, bringing the lead to around 10.  After this, the biggest factor in the game became foul shooting.  I'll have to leave the actual percentages to the statisticians on this one, but I'd figure that the Bears shot about 80% from the charity stripe tonight while the Cards faired not much better than 30%.  In a game with many whistles, it could have been a lot closer, but Plattsburgh couldn't buy a foul shot to save their life, and some of the attempts were just plain ugly.  I sincerely hope that the Cards look at the game footage and then spend some time working on this aspect of the game in the upcoming weeks if they want to be able to legitimately compete in close games down the stretch.

The Bears main liabilities still lie in two areas: experience and height.  Dobbs is working feverishly to bring the newer players along, working them to full extension at practices.  Only time will demonstrate whether their development will be in time to generate waves come the second half of the season, and whatever games may lie beyond that for the Bears this years.  In terms of addressing the height shortage, rebounds are being tipped outward instead of upward, and this gives the Bears their edge back, as they are able to scrap away the loose ball with their quickness.

I still would like to see the Bears utilize their lack of size more to their advantage, making speed an integral part of their offense, moving without the ball, and passing through zone defenses instead of going around the horn to exploit 2 on 1 situations in the paint.  The complement needed to make that happen will be the maturing of at least 2 players to play the high/low post, and setting up plays to take advantage of the quick look in.  Who Dobbs chooses to do that will be up to him, but it's a facet that needs to become a part of the offense if the Bears want to stay with the top teams in the SUNYAC, as much as decent 3-point percentages have been on their side thus far.

The Bears will go on to play cross-town "rival" Clarkson U on Thursday in a non-conference match at home.  The Golden Knights are a team that the Bears recently knocked off in a 4-team tournament a couple of weeks back.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ILOVEBALL on November 30, 2005, 01:35:21 am
tonight it was two good teams playing a great game potsdam vs plattsburgh potsdam came out on top and played the better game. it helps when the refs dont allow you to play defense on potsdam you couldnt tough the kids. and everyone always has something negative to say about chris gibbs and plattsburgh state chris shoots alot but hes suppose to everyone has a night like that and the season has just started there is much time for improvment potsdam played good and they one good job theres 22 games left
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Post by: jdex on November 30, 2005, 10:45:46 am
New Paltz' 76-75 home win over Oneonta an OT affair. Settled with 0:02 left on B. Kaible's rebound and bucket. OState 35-34 halftime leader and needed S. Coffey's trey at 0:20 to reach extra frame at 67-67. NP up 65-60 at 1:24. Sr. g K. Crichlowff 17 pts (12 by half), 11 reb. M. Irwin 13 pts, J. Hawser 15 pts 9 assts, J. Richard 10 rebs. Coffey's 21 pts (11 1st half)pace OState whose J. Murphy nets 14 (10 1st half), K. Reed 15,  fr R. Morin 12 and 9 rebs, and M. Reardon 11 pts

Oswego (2-0) at Caz tonight. Potsdam home date and rematch vs. Clarkson on Thurs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on November 30, 2005, 11:42:52 am
Bport puts up a game effort agaist cortland but falls 1 point short. Bport only had 8 players available for this game and still had a really good chance to win this game. It is pretty obvious that if the have to play with 8 players they will finish in the middle of the pack in sunyacs. When they get rother back and if or when they get harris and williams back they will be  the heavy favorites to win sunyacs. Bport has to play platts and oswego on the road coming up on back to back days and that could lead to a 0-3 start in sunyacs for the port. Teams better take there best shot at them early because they will be tough to beat later in the season. It was pretty obvious last night that bport was running on empty at the end of that game with only 8 players. They were up 5-6 pts on many occasions but just couldnt  extend the lead beyond that. After watching that game last night  i would say bport wins that game by at least 15 points with there full squad. Props to cortland for playing a good game and any W at bport is a good W.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: KING on November 30, 2005, 01:39:20 pm
I didn't see the game, but from what I've heard it was a good one at the port.  Bports, good call about the depleted 8 man roster of port last night, and I do agree that Rother esp. will make a huge difference.  However, I remember port teams of the past playing hard all game without getting tired, and if u look at the box score... Cortland only played 8 players as well.  Good win for my boys at Cstate regardless.  Bport still my favorite hands down to represent the SUNYAC in the tourney, IF they stay out of trouble and on the court.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 01, 2005, 01:48:50 am
Oswego goes to 3-0 in 95-66 Wednesday cruise at Cazenovia where A. Mims (7x10fg), M. Burridge (7x14fg) and N. Perioli (8x10fg) each nets 18 pts. Burridge with 7 rebs, Perioli 6 assts. K. Reuter 14 pts. Ten Lakers see at least 22' court time. Twas 46-30 at the break when Oswego connected 19x32 from the field and finished 36x62 including 8x16 3s.

New Paltz at home Wednesday slips to Vassar 79-74 in final of Mid-Hudson Tourney.  Hawks ahead 22-15 midway through first half. Vassar up 35-33 at half. With 12' left NP holds 50-49 edge on S. Lewis `3' and extends to 59-51 at 9' on B. Kaible trey. Vassar back in 72-69 control before NP J. Sugrue's only hoop, a `3' -- knots it at 72 at 0:42. Vassar quick to retake lead and hits closing ft's. J. Hauser 18 pts (2x4 3s, 10x12fts) pace NP. M. Irwin (4x6fg) 12 pts, 4 assts; K. Crichlow 11 pts; Kaible 9 pts (3x4 3s); Lewis 13 pts. Hawks 24x52fg; Vassar 42-33 reb margin
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: unbearable on December 01, 2005, 09:00:11 pm
Potsdam 79, Clarkson 61

Bears pull away in second half.  Sounded like the game was closer than final score would indicate.  I will be interested to see how Clarkson fares in the LL.  I think with their size they may surprise some people.

Bears now 4-0.


I knew I should have picked Potsdam in the d3hoops survivor pool.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on December 01, 2005, 10:17:04 pm
Unbearable

Since you & I are arguably two of the most loyal Potsdam fans in history, Even I wouldn't have done that this year. 

Lose 6 Seniors, including 4 All Conference players, + 2 yr starting point guard opted to concentrate on Academics

Reload with 8 frosh, a 5-7 JUCO, and a top draft pick from the Intramural League.

Play two games in Hawaii against Top 10 D-II team with a 6-10 and a 7 footer, and against a top 10 NAIA D-II team with several athletic 6-8's.

Catch a draw where they have to play Brockport on the road, only.

That's why even loyal old me didn't pick the Bears in the pool.

Clarkson is tall,  playing a lot of people and there doesn't seem to be any continuity or rhythm.  They will get handled regularly by any team with athletic inside players with decent size.  Barton ate them alive in the first three minutes of the second half.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 02, 2005, 01:45:47 pm
Friday's tests pit:
Buff St. (3-1,1-0) at One (1-2, 0-1)
Freds (2-2, 0-1) at Corts (3-1, 0-1)
Gens (1-2, 0-1) at Oswe (3-0, 0-0)
Bports (1-2, 0-1) at Platts (2-1, 0-1)

Saturday goes:
Buff St. at IT (2-1, 1-0)l
NPaltz (3-2, 1-0) at Pots (4-0, 1-0)
Bport at Osweg
Freds at One
Gens at Platts
Corts at Alfred, nl
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 02, 2005, 10:12:22 pm
Cortland takes down visiting Fredonia 65-48.

Red Dragons 4-1. Fast start and comfortable lead gets a bit hairy later. Freds, trailing 37-26 at half, within 44-39 and keep Cortlands in sight thereafter. F. Ranier keeps afloat home side, which struggles from the field in second half.  Late free throws allow Cortland to pull away. Dragons 15x32fg (4 3s) in first half and finish 22x49. Ranieri 15 pts. (6x10fg), 4 reb; D. Maggiacomo 14 pts (4x8 3s) off bench; R. Headley 13 pts (4x7fg), 6 reb; S. Taggart 6 reb, S. Skrelja 8 reb, 3 assts. Just 5 Cort TOvers. Spunky Freds led by T. Alassari 10 pts. (7x17fg), 8 rebs, 4 assts. Lone Fred in double figures. Fredonia loses big man K. Gordon early (8') to leg injury. Anderson 6 pts. (2x7fg), 3 reb. in 36'
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Post by: jdex on December 02, 2005, 10:44:54 pm
Oswego 67, Geneseo 60
Host Lakers out to 34-24 lead at half, forge 18 pt. lead in second period before Gens within 49-45. S. Sciera 19 pts. (7x8fg), T. Kitson 13 pts, 7 rebs; S. McDonnell 12 pts. in loss

Buffalo St. 88, Oneonta 72
James Williams 33 pts. (12x18 fg, 9x12ft, 9 rebs, 4 assts, 2 blks, 1 stl) paces Bengals.  Those numbers in 30' as 15 BSers take court. Buff St. 48-32 halftime command on 22x32fg shooting (finishes 33x62). D. Mozelle 14 pts. (6x7fg) only other Bengal in double figures. Has 5 rebs, 3 stls. Oneonta's J. Murphy 21 pts. (9x15fg). M. Reardon 4 assts. One 28x63fg (12x32 1st half)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 02, 2005, 11:35:03 pm
Brockport 85, Plattsburgh 79

Fredonia's Alassari 20 pts. stead of 10 in loss to Cortland. Kept 'em in the game with 3x8 3s and slashes
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ILOVEBALL on December 02, 2005, 11:42:14 pm
gibbs smith goes down in the first minute of the game with a rolled ankle coming down from a jumpshot tried to come back and play but was hurt and could not move after he came out it was a good back and forth game brockport came out on top
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on December 03, 2005, 09:12:21 am
Good win on the road for Bport last night. Bport races out to a 12 pt 1st half lead and lead by 5 at the half. Bport got the lead back to 7 before platts went up by 2. Bport lead almost the entire game and had 9 guys suited up gor this game. The port is still missing 3 starters so we will see how fresh they are tonight at oswego? Amparo belluci and cheeves all had 20 pts or more for the eagles. If bport could come away from oswego with a W tonight it would be huge. I was worried they may start 0-3 in sunyacs with there  first three games being against all top tier sunyac competition. Especially with 2 on the road and missing some stud players. So far for the port the best surprise is the frosh pg filling in for harris. The kid looks like he is a very smart heads up player, who looks to get every player involved. He is from webster, but i am drawing a blank on his name  josh wenzel??
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: KING on December 03, 2005, 10:24:31 am
solid win by cortland last night over fred.  don't let the 4-1 record fool you though, they are not THAT good.  i hope this team like many other span coached teams in the past get better as they go, esp. if they think they can contend in the tourney.  Two huge points of the game.... 1) Cortland needs a go to scorer.  not all game long, but when they go dry for mins on end and need a big bucket.  they can get away with it against a team like fred. but late in the year that wont fly against top conference comp.  2) fred. might not win a conference game!  with no size and very little skill, they are going to have to face a bad team on a bad night it looks like.  pt gaurd was the only stand out or even player worth watching on the roster.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 03, 2005, 11:55:34 am
A few numbers from Bport win at Pburgh .....

K. Amparo's 24 points (17 1st half), 4 assts, 4 stls led the Eagles, who had 45-40 advantage at half, trailed 51-49, then led forever after at 11:14 on J. Cheves' trey. Cheves and D. Maldonado points keyed 66-57 breakaway by 9:30. Burghers close to 69-67 at 6' prior to Bport death spurt. B. Bellucci 18 pts, 4 assts; Cheves 19 pts, 9 rebs; J. Zenkel 6 assts, I. Mack 7 assts. -- team 24 assts in 30(x52) hoops!! Hit 9x17 3s. Pburgh 39-29 reb. edge. Cards' M. Deitz 23 pts (9x13fg, 5x7 3s); T. Gorham 17 pts. (6x9fg), 10 rebs. Ankle-weary K. Gibbs-Smith 23' and 1x5fg, 7 rebs.  definitely a factor for better (Bport) or worse (Burgh).
Bports only played seven, so at least a pair fresh for Oswegos. Really question why young men of this age can't play (hoops) well into the night, let alone back to back. Don't buy the tired bit.

As for Cortland (obviously our rooting interest), it's true TSpan hasn't yet found the combination. Has many, many options (even without The King), and is tinkering. Should actually be 5-0 (barring that dreaded 4-pointer vs. good Trinity). Dragons last night in second half fell in love with 3-point onslaught after lighting it up earlier. Point slot still a ??, though several able candidates. Transfer E. Nalls steady and currently starts. D. Fish okay but doesn't offer much offensively. Don't know M. Schaller's status. Played fb and was supposed to bolster backcourt when eligible.
 
As per Fredonia, yes in what appears a pretty balanced SUNYAC the BDevils could be pressed for wins. Still, mighty pesky. Alassari all-star but has to carry too big a load. He's a delight to watch. Freds hurt last night when K. Gordon (6-5 soph) went down after running the floor for layup in first half. Also, 6-6 frosh David Mack gave 'em plenty of good minutes (20). 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on December 03, 2005, 12:46:09 pm
jdex - Why young men can't play into the night...

The SUNYAC is a conference where a premium is placed on tough, physical defense. JC transfers to the league consistently report that the most difficult transition is to accomodate to the speed of the game and the mental pressure of playing tough, every-possession defense at this level. For incoming frosh, particularly for those coming out of Class B or lower programs, the leap is enormous.

Last year's Potsdam team was classic SUNYAC. Their leading scorer averaged 11.0 - hardly impressive for an Elite 8 team. However, they only gave up 62.9 ppg by running in waves of fresh, focused defenders.

If you need a blow, you either get it on the offensive end or on the bench - and if you take it on the defensive end, you'll soon be on the bench in any case.

No question these young men have the physical stamina for lots of minutes. Staying mentally focused on every defensive possession is draining and takes time and experience to handle.



Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 03, 2005, 03:10:26 pm
Well stated, Bearseh. We could buy into that, mental toughness and all.  Teams in the same boat playing back to back for the most part. Of course, the exception is the bye team in the odd-numbered SUNYAC. And then there's the depth factor, and degree of difficulty from first night to second. No doubt, Bport numbers (and its annual early road show sked) could be costly at the moment. And we said in the same boat?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bj5485 on December 03, 2005, 05:47:10 pm
Potsdam overcomes ten point first half deficit to beat New Paltz 84-60. Bears go to 5-0.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 03, 2005, 07:54:55 pm
SUNYIT 95, Buffalo St. 90
Oneonta 67, Fredonia 54, ot
Plattsburgh 71, Geneseo 54
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on December 03, 2005, 07:55:48 pm
If you have info on Brockport @ Oswego, please post.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on December 03, 2005, 08:14:26 pm
That's scheduled as an 8:00 game.  Nice road trip, Brockport to Plattsburgh, then back to Oswego (through a blizzard) then on to Brockport (through more blizzards)!!!

SUNYIT upsetting Buff State is a shocker.  Looks like the Murph is showing his longevity stripes already.  Game didn't look like a whole lot of defense was played, but they sure lit up the scoreboard!!

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 03, 2005, 08:19:22 pm
SUNYIT stays among SUNYAC unbeatens by gunning down guest Buffalo State 95-90. A 48-48 halftime tilt on Tech 12-2 finish. Utica took final lead with 4:12 to play in the game. A 91-90 game at 0:47 before FTs wrapped up verdict. C. Reaves quite the Tech Superman, 31 pts (11x20fg, 3x6 3s, 6x11ft), 9 assts, 5 stls in 36' of work. C. Bien-Aime 17 pts. (3x8 3s), JP Adams 13 pts (5x11fg), C. Plante 10 pts. Tech 32x70fg, 10x27 3s, 21x27ft. edge. Career game for BState's G. Jones: 33 pts (12x24fg, 7x14 3s!), 5 rebs in 35'. J. Williams adds 19 pts. (9x20fg), 8 reb, 7 BLKS, 2 assts; D. Mozelle 11 pts (5x9fg), 6 rebs; J. Tirado 10 pts (6x10ft). BS 34x79fg, 11x26 3s

Oneonta never trailed in home OT conquering of Fredonia, whose M. Kelly trey at 0:08 of reg. extended matters at 51-51. Then all Dragons. OState in 27-24 lead at intermission. Teams never separated by double figures till OT. OState up 47-38 at 4:44 and seven ahead at 1:55. J. Murphy 16 pts (7x15fg, 6 rebs, 4 blks, 2 stls, 2 assts in 33' in win. S. Coffey 13 pts.; M. Reardon 11 pts. (4x6fg, 2x3 3s), 7 rebs. OState 26x57fg. For Freds, Alassari 14 pts. (5x14fg), 4 stls; Kelly 14 pts. (5x9fg, 2x6 3s) 3 assts, 3 stls. Freds 21 TVers, 18x57fg

In Potsdam's 84-60 north country victory vs. New Paltz, Bears in 45-35 lead at half after trailing by 10 midway into period before 11-1 run. Hold 27 point lead twice. Shoot 36x68fg (20x38 1st half). E. Barton 18 pts (10 1st half), 12 rebs; D. Bisesi 16 pts, 4 assts; B. Siskavich 14 pts (10 1st half). NP's J. Hauser 16 pts, 8 rebs; shoot 23x60fg, 24 TOvers
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on December 03, 2005, 08:29:47 pm
Potsdam NP game - Dobbs did a great coaching job.  

After a NP run put the hawks up 22-12 with 12:00 left in the first half, Dobbs called a TO, put in his entire second team, 1 JUCO, 1 career backup, 1 Jr drafted from the intramural league and two freshmen.  They went on a 12-1 run in the next three minutes to turn the tide.  Potsdam went on to a 10 point half time lead, and extended throughout the second half.  Dobbs emptied the bench with 2:33 left.

Potsdam got half their points from new players, over half the minutes.  Barton had a monster game 18 pts 12 rebs on 8x12 FG in 22 minutes.  Point guard Dave Bisesi had 16 points & 4 assists in 25 minutes.

6'7 frosh Brandon Siskavich had a breakout game as he showed some excellent ball skills, and a sweet mid range jump shot to tally 14 pts on 7x10 and 7 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals in 20 minutes of court time.

Potsdam had 12 players play at least 8 minutes, and won the battle of the boards 42-37, forced 24 turnovers and held the Hawks to 38% FG 26% 3 FG.

Potsdam makes their first trip out of Potsdam next weekend, facing
two Empire 8 clubs, at Alfred U. on Friday, then on to Ithaca Saturday afternoon in a 4PM tilt.  

 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 03, 2005, 10:16:34 pm
Cortland exerts mental toughness, actually sharpshooting skills, to down Alfred, 86-76, on the road. Goes to 5-1 with fifth straight, shooting 33x54 (9x20 3s). Pivot S. Taggart 24 pts. (11x12fg), 6 rebs. Four others score double figures: D. Maggiacomo 13 (3x7 3s); S. Skrelja 12, 7 rebs; D. Jutton 12 (4x8 3s); F. Ranieri 10, 4 rebs, 3 assts; D. Fish 5 assts, E. Nalls 5 assts. Dragons lead 46-42 in close first half, extend to 13 seven minutes into 2nd period, hike to 15 and withstand Alfred rush to 7 at 2:52. Maggiacomo `3' repellant. R. Hallett 24 pts. (4 3s) for 2-3 Saxons, who had won two in a row
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 03, 2005, 10:24:46 pm
Oswego storms past Brockport, 92-77
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on December 03, 2005, 10:44:11 pm
That score puts the Lakers as the team to beat in the SUNYAC this year.  Perioli, Mims, Burridge, all potential A/C players,

Funny - SUNYAC seems to be more high scoring this year than in the past?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 03, 2005, 11:52:28 pm
Oswego shakes free of Brockport  in second half. Leads 50-49 following first. What a balanced display by starters. All score double figures and take all but eight shots during 37x76fg effort. A. Mims 18 (7x15fg), 10 rebs; M. Burridge 17 (8x15fg), 6 rebs; T. Franze 17 (7x12fg), 8 rebs, 5 assts; N. Perioli 16 (7x15fg), 6 stls in second straight 40' test; K. Reuter 14 (5x11), 3 stls. Only 4 TOvers to Bport's 16. Outboarded 42-34. Eagles' B. Bellucci 25 pts. (8x17fg, 3x4 3s), 10 rebs, 3 assts in 27'; K. Amparo 20 pts (10x15fg), 6 rebs, 3 assts in 28'; D. Rubertone 15 pts (7x13fg), 8 rebs in 35'; D. Maldonado 12 pts (4x8 3s), 5 rebs. J. Cheves held in check (3 pts, 1x8fg, 1x6 3s) in 35'.

For Oswego in Friday's win vs. Geneseo, N. Perioli and M. Burridge 16 pts. each, Reuter 13, Franze 10
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on December 04, 2005, 11:42:39 am
Im not really happy about the port being 1-2 in the conf, but it was very easy to see it coming. They probably started with the toughest 3 game stretch of any sunyac team? Home against cortland , at plattsburgh and at oswego. It sure would have been nice to start with geneseo, fredonia, and lets say NP.  Bport will be on the road some more with games at #5 york, and at #24 catholic for a tourney. These games along with playingall but one game first semester on the road is what whitmore does every year to get his team ready for the sunyac tourney. Its to bad a few players made a bad decision and it will most likely cost them the 1st semester. With that said and the addition of rother this team will be loaded  and will have something to prove in the 2nd semester. Having 9 guys suit up is not to favorable for whitmores system. Especially when 2 of those 9 would not see the court other wise. Whitmore likes to use about 10-12 players all about 18-28 min a game. Even when he had mills, medburry, etc they only played about 25 min a game. This frosh pg from webster is filling in nice for harris but bports defensive pressure all starts up top with a lightning quick harris and that is what this team is missing. Oh well it is what it is .
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2005, 01:52:54 pm
A big shout to the new SID at Plattsburgh, Patrick Stewart!

Patrick did an outstanding job at McMurry in the ASC for 2 1/2 years, covering 19 sports and providing background to the local media, and on the McMurry website.  In addition to the background material for 10 football games, nearly 50 basketball (men's and women's) games and about 15 baseball games that were broadcast on radio each year, he occcasionally had to provide background material to an occasional locally-televised football or basketball game as well.

Plattsburgh is getting a good one.  We hate to lose him, but send him our best wishes!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on December 05, 2005, 07:55:59 am
haterinthehouse
Junior Varsity



 Re: SUNYAC
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I believe SUNY-IT will make a big jump this season-I am not saying that they will contend for the sunyac title or finish 1,2, or 3 but they will be much improved.  They have a few juco transfers from CCC, Herkimer, and Mohawk Valley that were all region players that will instantly make them better.  And with Murphy you never know what can happen 

ummmmm....It seems like I remember saying that SUNY IT would be much improved this season (refer to my statment above), but so many of you chose to laugh at me.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ILOVEBALL on December 05, 2005, 03:43:29 pm
plattsburgh beats geneseo badly without gibbs smith good team effort the young kids are really stepping up antwan miller is playing well as well as dietz jared dumont was 5 for 7 from the three point line plattsburgh will be just fine as the season rolls on they will be a top four team in the sunyac going into the playoffs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on December 05, 2005, 04:42:05 pm
haterinthehouse it is a little early to start boasting about your prediction. sunyit may very well be better this tear but who have they played? They lost to utica and then they beat albany school of pharmacy. They also beat a geneseo team that was picked to finish 10th out of 12 teams in sunyac, and a buff st team that was picked to finish in the middle of the pack.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on December 05, 2005, 05:31:50 pm
May our favorite dieties smite us if the posts here get as personally demeaning as those in the Empire 8 - particularly when all we reasonably know, after a couple of league matchups, is that the league, as always, has several weak (possibly horrrible) teams, several rock solid clubs,  a couple of maybes, and at at least one-who-the-hell knows.

Re: SUNY IT, I'm reminded of Richard Farina's "Been down so long, it looks like up to me".
But it is refreshing that one can finally write a positive IT post without a prior need for therapy.

On the other hand, anyone with a "haterinhtehouse" tag may need the occasional hand grenade dropped down his/her shorts/bloomers. But welcome aboard - it's likely to be a wild ride.




Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on December 05, 2005, 07:14:55 pm
It's still early to tell how the conference is going to shake out. Most teams are wrapping up their first semester schedules and the bulk of the conference play isn't going to happen until January.

As per SUNYIT, considering how bad that team was last year WITH Nick Grimmer and Rich Phillips, a 3-1 start overall and a 2-0 conference record is something to be happy about. I think time will tell how good this team really is when they get into the meat of their conference schedule starting January 10 at New Paltz. I'll actually get to see SUNYIT tomorrow night when they play at Hamilton. It will be Coach Tom Murphy's return to Hamilton for the first time since he was asked to retire at the end of the 2003-2004 season.

Elsewhere, Buffalo State's another surprise. Sure the Bengals were picked to finish in the middle of the conference, but they've been putting some serious points on the board. If anything, they're improved over last year's team that barely eeked into the playoffs in Dick Bihr's final year. Fans out at BSC have a lot to be excited about this winter.

Cortland, Potsdam and Oswego are all off to great starts as well. Cortland has won five straight heading into their game tomorrow night with Ithaca at Ben Light. Potsdam I thought would be down slightly this year after graduating so much talent. But, Ernst Ducena has really emerged for the Bears and helped them stay undefeated. Oswego will contend atop the SUNYAC again even without Ponza. Lakers made a statement on Saturday night putting 92 on Brockport after leading by one at the half. Line of the night on Saturday from Brockport coach Nelson Whitmore on WBSU at halftime.

Interviewer: Coach, what did you guys do right in the first half?

Whitmore: (Slight sarcastic tone) Well, we gave up 50 points.

Oneonta and Plattsburgh both have struggled in the early part of the season. I'm a little disappointed Jelani Simmons didn't return to Plattsburgh after seeing him put on an offensive showcase against Potsdam in the SUNYAC Semis last February. The transfers need time to get used to each other and I see the Cardinals finishing in the lower part of the middle half, probably 6th or 7th. Oneonta's 2-3 but after this weekend playing in the Hartwick tournament could be back over .500. OT loss to New Paltz doesn't help the Dragons but last year they started slow and finished the season with a flurry.

Cheap plug...Hamilton vs. SUNYIT tomorrow night on D3hoopsNet. 7:45pm EST for the pre-game, 8:00pm for game time. SUNYIT enters fresh off their five point upset of Buff State in Utica against local rival and undefeated Hamilton. Coach Murphy's return to the Scott Field House. Doesn't get better than that.

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Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on December 05, 2005, 08:18:23 pm
I'm a little disappointed Jelani Simmons didn't return to Plattsburgh after seeing him put on an offensive showcase against Potsdam in the SUNYAC Semis last February.  

John - a little revisionist history re; Last years SUNYAC semis.  Who put on the offensive showcase?

Eldon Harris 25 pts 11 rebounds 2 blocks 2 steals

Jelani Simmons 18 pts 5 rebounds 8 blocks

The Cardinals will be just fine.  Travis Gorham is a steady solid presence in the post, he rebounds, sets picks, plays defense, and scores when the opportunity is there.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 05, 2005, 08:41:08 pm
And, Mac, it was one year ago, almost to the day, when Tech (and ass't coach Murphy) tripped Hamilton 75-72. One guy of whom Continentals will surely keep tabs is Bien-Aime -- 24 pts, 4x5 3s in that contest
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 06, 2005, 11:18:43 am
Six tipping tonight against outsiders ......

2-2 Naz at 5-0 Oswego
5-1 Corts at 0-4 IC
3-1 Utica Tech at 5-0 Hamilton
2-1 SJF at 2-4 Fredonia
2-3 Geneseo at 2-3 Alfreds
3-3 NPaltz at 1-2 Old Westbury

Two on Wed. nl stage .....

2-3 Bports at 4-3 RobtsWes
2-3 Plattsburghers at 2-4 Clarkson
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 06, 2005, 09:55:41 pm
Cortland barely, 57-55 at Ithaca. Tight first half. Maggiacomo threes boost Red Dragons to 28-23 halftime lead. Corts answer every IC approach thereafter, but never able to pull away. Lead 46-39 on Ranieri hoop at 8:26 (IC within 47-45) and up 51-45 on another Ranieri bucket at 2:30 (IC within 51-48 at 0:40). Jutton ft makes it 53-48. IC at 53-50 at :23 and then 54-52 before Maggiacomo two ft's and Jutton ft. IC buzzer trey from halfcourt
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 06, 2005, 10:17:40 pm
Oswego 68, Nazareth 66
Hamilton 88, SUNYIT 75
Old Westbury 72, New Paltz 62
St. John Fisher 76, Fredonia 67
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 06, 2005, 10:45:34 pm
Alfred 78, Geneseo 73

Gens in 23-23 knot when Alfred took 37-29 halftime lead. FTs difference: Saxons 25x30, Gen 11x21. G. Spears 16 pts (6x12fg), 9 rebs; J. Papincak 12 pts (5x10fg). Alfred's D. Stein 10 pts, 4 stls, 4 rebs; R. McCarter 14 pts (10x10ft), T. Dersham 14 pts.

SUNYIT trails host Hamilton 44-31 at the break. Conts 18x39fg at half and finish 33x69 (10x25 3s). Tech 30x80fg (13x37 half). Goes 10x27 3s. IT 46-45 reb edge. C. Reaves 24 pts (10x24fg, 3x7 3s) in 39' for Uticans. C. Bien-Aime 14 pts (4x8 3s) in 23'; A. Gilkes 11 pts., 15 rebs; C. Plante 10 pts. Tech just 5x16ft to Hams 12x14. In win, T. Welchons 22 pts. (8x20fg, 4x9 3s); N. Jones 18 pts, 11 rebs; T. Ngobeni 13 pts (6x7fg)

Fredonia beaten (21x56fg, 12x28 3s). T. Anderson 20 pts (5x12fg), C. Donahue 16 pts (5x11fg). Fisher leads 44-28 at half and is led by S. O'Brien 23 pts (8x14fg, 5x10 3s)

New Paltz  tumbles, shoots 22x42fg and in 28-24 hole at break. J. Richards 14 pts. (5x5fg), 10 rebs; K. Crichlow 13 pts, M. Irwin 10 pts. Hawks with 28 TOvers

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 06, 2005, 11:18:56 pm
Cortland wins sixth straight in unimpressive style. Had hands full with winless IC, something the Red Dragons have previously experienced, especially at Ben Light. Corts were swept by IC last season.
FT salvation tonight for Corts -- 19x27 at stripe to hosts' 5x7. Neither side gets much going offensively (Corts 4x13 3s to IC's 4x15). Cortland 17x41fg, IC 23x62. Cortland 37-31 reb advantage but with 15 TOvers and mere 8 assts. IC 16 assts (J. Whetstone 5) and 12 steals. Still, four CStates in double figures: F. Ranieri 11 (5x11fg), D. Maggiacomo 11 (2x6 3s), R. Headley 10 (6x7ft), D. Jutton 10. S. Skrelja 12 rebs. IC's J. Bellis 14 pts, B. Andruskiewicz 12

Oswego 6-0. Trails Naz second half till A. Mims layup+ft at 4:21 for 61-60 lead. Naz hoop for 62-61 edge. N. Perioli 3pter boosts OState by 64-62. Mims ft's at 0:29 makes it 68-66. Naz misses twice on final possession. M. Burrdige 21 pts for victors, Perioli 14, E. Robertson 12, Mims 11. Naz/ J. Canori 15, T. Smith 12
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 07, 2005, 10:25:29 pm
Plattsburgh on road roughs up Clarkson 72-51. Down 15-12, Cards on 16-3 run enroute to 36-24 bulge at half. Start second frame 12-0 for 48-24 doubling up of Knights. Burghers 23x45fg (12x21 1st half), 5x13 3s, 12 stls. A. Williams 22 pts (6x10fg, 2x3 3s), 5 assts; B. Hatch 12 pts (5x8fg); A. Miller 10 pts, 9 rebs. Clarkson 9x28fg opening half, finish 18x56. B. Dudek 10 pts, EJ Harrison 10 pts, J. Chiero 10 rebs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 07, 2005, 10:33:59 pm
Brockport whips Roberts Wesleyan 95-82 in Rochester. B. Bellucci (13x19fg) 30 pts, 10 rebs, 7 assts, 3 stls in 35'. Eagles hold 39-35 halftime lead, go 34x73fg for the game. D. Rubertone 18 pts (6x14fg), 11 rebs, 4 stls; J. Zenkel 17 pts (6x7fg, 3 stls, 5 rebs; J. Cheves 10 pts. For RW A. Evans 28 pts.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ILOVEBALL on December 08, 2005, 12:35:22 am
plattsburgh smacks clarkson by 19 gibb smith misses another game with that ankle sprain anthony williams steps up and antwon miller is playing very well
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on December 08, 2005, 10:16:57 am
Nice win for the Cards on the road.  Cards developing depth and other scoring options.  Dietz will be a player in this league.  What's the prognosis on the G-S ankle?

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 09, 2005, 12:11:32 am
Fredonia ends four game losing ways with 58-58 triumph at Pitt-Bradford. In charge at half 29-26. T. Anderson 13 pts. (5x10fg, 1x2 3s); T. Alassari 10 pts, 11 rebs, 6 assts in 36'; D. Watkins 10 pts; K. Reichlmayr 8 rebs. Freds 22x45fg (8x22 3s) and 37-24 board gap. Game matched coaching brothers, Kevin with Freds, Andy PB, which had been averaging 87ppg. Devils limited top gun R. Race (28ppg) to 14
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ILOVEBALL on December 09, 2005, 01:44:08 am
GIBBS SMITH ANKLE IS JUST A SPRAIN HE MIGHT BE BACK THIS SATURDAY AGAINST  GREEN MOUNTAIN BUT NOTHING SERIOUS BUT POSSIBLY SATURDAY BUT THEIR CHRISTMAS TOURNAMENT FOR SURE
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 09, 2005, 05:24:55 pm
Conference fives in non-conf action Friday:
Buff St. tourney vs. Hilbert (D'Youville vs. Medaille)
SJF at Geneseo
Oswego at RIT tourney vs. Wilkes (RIT vs. NY York)
Potsdam at Alfred


And on Saturday:
Buff St. tourney finals
Oswego at RIT tourney finals
Penn St. Behred at Fredonia
John Jay at New Paltz
Oneonta tourney at Hartwick (Fitchburg vs. LI St. Joe's). Sunday windup at 'Wick
Green Mtn at Plattsburgh
Potsdam at Ithaca
SUNYIT at Utica Coll




Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 09, 2005, 05:35:54 pm
Anyone aware of Utica Techies' sleds arriving from Paul Smith's yet? About 24 hrs. and counting! Or ......did Techies' sleighs even attempt to reach no. country for Thursday's contest/mismatch?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on December 09, 2005, 09:27:15 pm
Sled arrived.  Result not terribly impressive, but a W is a W.

You will recall Paul Smiths trailed Wilkes 45-1 in the first half of the consy at the North Country Invitational at Clarkson.  Credit the Plattsburgh Press-Republican for the following.


PAUL SMITHS -- Paul Smith's College made a late run at SUNYIT Tuesday before the Wildcats, the early surprise of SUNYAC basketball, pulled away to an 84-66 victory in men's basketball.

The Bobcats (5-9) drew to within 7 with 6½ minutes to play, but SUNYIT nailed two baskets and forced Paul Smith's to turn the ball over.

"I was pleased with our effort; we had a shot at it," Paul Smith's Coach Mark Cartmill said.

"We played very well; I was pleased that we were in the game until the last 2 or 3 minutes."

SUNYIT (4-2) already has knocked off Geneseo and Buffalo State in SUNYAC play.

Junior guard Chris Reaves scored 26 points to lead the Wildcats with J.P. Adams tossing in 19.

Jimmy Noel had 6 rebounds and Thompson, 6 assists, for the Bobcats, who will close out the semester at home with SUNY Canton at 1 p.m. Saturday.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 09, 2005, 10:23:34 pm
Buffalo State easily over Hilbert 82-66 in BS tourney. Plays Medaille (57-48 over D'Youville) in Sat final. Eleven Bengals saw at least 11' court time in rout. G. Jones 21 pts (7x13fg), 5 reb, 3 assts, 3 stls in 28'; J. Tirado 10 pts in 22'. BS 39-26 at intermission; pops at 27x61fg rate, 25x33ft. Hilbert 29 TVers

Oswego ppd. at RIT tourney. Seems Wilkes thwarted by weather. Lakers face NY York at 3 p.m. Saturday, then RIT Sun at 3
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 09, 2005, 11:21:48 pm
Potsdam drops its first when homestanding Alfred seizes 72-66 verdict. Alfs lead 34-30 at half and finish 24x29ft and outboard Bears 37-29. E. Barton 17 pts (6x15fg), 6 assts, 5 stls in 38'; D. Taft 12 pts (4x5fg), D. Bisesi 10 pts (3x11fg, 0x5 3s). Four Saxons in double figures led by T. Dersham 16

Geneseo beaten 75-61 at home by Fisher. Gens up 38-37 at half when both sides shoot 16x27 from field. Hosts cool to 7x18 in final period. Fisher finishes 28x49fg and scores first 10 points of second half. G. Spears 18 pts (14 1st half), S. McDonnell 15 pts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cantbestopped on December 09, 2005, 11:49:09 pm
A little prediction Buff State wins their tourney by 35 tomorrow, medaille sucks and hilbert was sadly the 2nd best team in that tourney, dyouville just stinks and thats why medaille is playing buff state for the tourney ship, but it wont be close
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on December 10, 2005, 05:29:13 pm
I get home from doing some Xmas shopping, turn on the Ithaca/Potsdam game and hear "...makes the 2nd foul shot and the lead is now 81-47." I immediately think Potsdam is destroying Ithaca. Then, the color guy says, "Very impressive performance by the Bombers today." I almost dropped my laptop. What in god's name happened? Did Barton and the rest of the starters get benched or something. Wow, that's crazy.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: unbearable on December 10, 2005, 05:40:39 pm
Wow.  Tough road trip for the Bears.  Love to hear some analysis from anyone who was there.

I figured a young team might struggle in their first trip outside of town, but I wasn't expecting this.

Perhaps Wilkes and Plattsburgh are overrated?

Congrats to Ithaca and Alfred.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ILOVEBALL on December 10, 2005, 06:06:43 pm
how is it that you say plattsburgh could be overrated because potsdam gets smacked. is it because plattsburgh lost to them early in the season potsdam played good and plattsburgh didnt. and you guys talk about barton like he is amazing or something he is a descent player nothin spectacular when they are not hitting threes they wont win that many conference games we will see where the teams stand about 16 games into the season potsdam is overrated thats the problem!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on December 10, 2005, 06:14:03 pm
Wow, I hate to call people on grammar or spelling on these boards but, ILOVEBALL, easy with the run-on sentences. If I were reading your post aloud, I would have run out of breath about four times.

Unbearable, the box score is not up yet but the release says Ithaca hit a school record 15 treys. I'm sure that had something to do with the margin of victory but the radio guys were making it sound like Potsdam couldn't throw it in the ocean from the dock. Like you said, young teams will have those games on the road and Ithaca is a tough team at home...not so much when they're on the road, though.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 10, 2005, 06:57:28 pm
Ithaca 90, Potsdam 52 (B. Joe 23 pts with 7 3s; IC school record 15 treys). In today's game, light-it-up from outside and you have a chance. Bellis is known 3pt sharpshooter -- and it's Joe who's a bit out of the ordinary on this day.

New Paltz 75, John Jay 60

SUNYIT tumbles 80-72 to Utica College whose Pioneers 27x53fg (11x16 3s). UC 38-29 at the break. For Tech C. Laboard 16 pts (10x14ft), 5 reb; C. Bien-Amie 14 pts (5x8fg, 3x5 3s) 4 assts; A. Gilkes 12 pts, 15 reb; C. Reaves 11 pts (4x11fg). UC's D. Herring 21 pts. leads double figure quartet. Winners with 24 assts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on December 10, 2005, 06:58:40 pm
The good news for Potsdam and its fans is they don't play again until January, by which point today's beating should be out of their heads completely.  I'll bet they put a hurting on Worcester State in that first game back.

Ithaca shot about 55% from three-point land today.  Not a whole heck of a lot Potsdam coulda done when the Bombers were that hot.

Sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you....pun may or may not be intended.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on December 10, 2005, 07:09:53 pm
Wasn't at the game, but obvious props to the Bombers for a decisive win.

Looking at the box, several keys:

Threes IC 15x27, Potsdam 6x20.  

Obviously IC was getting open looks, and on their home court, they shot (pun intended) Lights Out.

Rebounding, IC 41 Potsdam 26.  Potsdam is starting a freshman at Center, and he will be tested.  Barton played 38 minutes against Alfred in a game that ended 18 hours before.  

Turnovers IC 10, Potsdam 16.  

Minutes by starters Potsdam 98, IC 128,

With the game out of hand early, Dobbs must have decided to see what his newcomers were made of.  For 10 of these players, it was the first road trip of their career other than a van across town for the first two games of the season.

Also, IC most certainly wanted to win one for the Gipper (Mullins), and remembered last season's painful loss at Potsdam, where IC blew an 18 point second half lead to lose in OT.

Seeing what #1 Duke did to #2 Texas, basketball is a funny game, you can beat a team by 30 or 40, and in the return game, it may go down to the wire.  

Again, lots of respect for IC in reversing their season opening donut.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: unbearable on December 10, 2005, 08:35:08 pm
ILOVEBALL,

Let me explain what I meant. It is still early in the season, and people in every region are trying to figure out which teams are the strongest.  When a team is 5-0 and drops two on the road to teams that were 3-3 and 1-6, respectively, it makes any unbiased observer question how tough the previous competition was.  With so few games played to this point, there are always a few teams which are probably better than their record would indicate, especially if they've played tough out-of-region or DII teams, and a few undefeateds who might not be as strong as you might think.

Potsdam beat Wilkes, who, from what I can gather, was the preseason pick in the MAC Freedom League.  They also beat Clarkson twice, New Paltz, and Plattsburgh.

Clearly, anyone can beat anyone on a given night.  However, I think as the season progresses, we will all have the opportunity to see who the strongest teams are, and to evaluate the entire body of work, as it were.

I also really get a kick out of how you repeatedly dismiss the reigning SUNYAC tournament MVP as "average" or "nothing special".  Could it be that your frustration at never beating the Bears in your career is getting the best of you?

Hope your ankle gets better soon.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 11, 2005, 01:49:53 am
Plattsburgh 82, Green Mountain 39. Cards 5-2. A. Williams 11 pts paces balanced rout

Oneonta 61, Hartwick 55 in opening round of 'Wick tourney. S. Coffey 24 pts (5x12fg, 4x8 3s), M. Reardon 10 pts including trey at halftime buzzer for 28-25 lead. OState pulls away 45-37 but 'Wick pulls close before 53-44 pullaway at 2' mark. Dragons 20x46fg, 6x15 3s and challenge NY St. Joe's in Sunday final. Joe's over Fitchburg 84-69.

Fredonia loses 72-58 to PS Behrend, whose 6-7 soph center Kevin Buczynski goes for 41 pts. (14x21fg, 13x14ft), 10 rebs. PS-B 33-26 edge at half, then up 41-28. T. Anderson 15 pts (6x12fg), 4 assts, 2 stls; M. Kelly 13 pts (3x4 3s). Freds 18x42fg, outboarded 31-20. PS-B 5-1, Freds 3-6

Buffalo St. 97, Medaille 74 in BS tourney final. Bengals just 40-39 halftime control in sixth win in eight starts. Shoot 40x75fg led by mvp J. Williams 30 pts. (13x22fg), 8 rebs in 28'. All tourney G. Jones 17 pts, all tourney D. Mozelle 17 rebs, 12 pts. (6x10fg); J. Tirado 16 pts (7x11fg), 8 reb, 4 assts. Medaille's J. McNeil 30 pts. (12x26 fg). Medaille 12x36 3s
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ILOVEBALL on December 11, 2005, 10:36:06 am
could be that i am waiting to beat them, but barton is good but he is always talked about like he is so amazing. he s alright  but i dont see it like the way he is talked about but we will see how everything pans out in the end of the season. he just never worked out against plattsburgh so i have to see it first so we play them again maybe then i will ge to see something that impresses me
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on December 11, 2005, 04:20:46 pm
Losing to Ithaca at Ben Light should surpise no one.  This team has a well earned rep for playing tough at home. Losing by 38? That's a surprise.

I saw it and here's my take. Prior to the 2 road losses this weekend, Potsdam was 5-0 and had played well against Wilkes (at Clarkson), and at home v. Plattsburg. Two wins v. Clarkson and win v. New Paltz don't mean much. Playing at Clarkson (Wilkes & Clarkson) is the next best thing to a home game for Potsdam and both the Knights and New Paltz are currently weak squads.

Even at 5-0, Potsdam weaknesses were suggested in their stats over those games:

1. Mediocre team defense, particularly compared to previous years
2. Mediocre team rebounding (had less than a +1 advantage)
3. Horrible team FT %

You all know what it takes to win on the road: team defense, rebounding, and you must get to the line and convert. That didn't happen at Alfred or Ithaca.

Ithaca took advantage of 1. and 2. above to the tune of 15 3's. Some were defended but many were off wide open looks. Bombers also totally uncovered the fundemental problems with the Bears: No experience on the front line, lack of a true point, and no vocal floor leadership at eiher end.

Ithaca's big forward had a great day: sets a pick down low, steps out beyond the arc, nobody goes with him, hits an open three, freshman defender goes to the bench.  The sub (not a frosh but a 1st yr player) doesn't box out, goes to the bench. Next sub is a frosh and neither defends or boxes out but there's no else to go to. When they tried giving help, Brian Joe filled it up. Bombers beat Bears down court for good looks or to defend; no easy baskets for Potsdam. You needed to see this unfold to fully appreciate S. Dobbs frustration.

Offensively, No one is fully in charge on the floor. Bisesi is certainly fun to watch and will be a force in SUNYAC before he's done. Now, I believe he's a much better 2 than 1 - but there is, currently, no one else.

The boards speak for themselves: Bears played small most of the day: Ithaca +15.

Potsdam continues to play 9 - 10 people 10+ minutes. May not be able to continue to this and win. They don't have the horsepower and really need to give their 1st year big men game minutes to develop. It won't be pretty until they learn to play - and play hard - at this level.

Finally, this group looked emotionally wasted on Saturday. One or two people on this team need to step up and take names offensively and defensively or it will be a long, long season for the Bears.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 11, 2005, 09:01:10 pm
Oswego, last of SUNYAC unbeatens, goes down to RIT, 79-63,  in final of latter's tourney. Tight until late. Tech 35-29 at the half. Lakers lead 49-48 on 3pt N. Perioli at 11' before RIT 14-3 push. Oswego 25x69fg. M. Burridge 16 pts, 5 reb; A. Mims 14 pts, 8 reb; Perioli 9 pts (4x13fg), 6 assts in 40'. Oswego 7-1. RIT 4-1 and led by T. Bacon 21 pts, 15 reb; B. Zeinfeld 17 pts, F. Snyder 10 pts. Hosts Cortland Tues.

Oneonta tops LI St. Joe's 60-54 for Hartwick tourney crown. Overcomes 28-23 half deficit. R. Morin ft puts OState up 52-51 at 3', follows with hoop and S. Coffey clinches with four ft. Coffey event mvp with second straight 24 pt game. Adds 9 rebs. J. Murphy, Morin 8 pts each. Dragons 5-4, Joe's 3-3
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: unbearable on December 12, 2005, 05:39:34 pm
Bearseh,

Thanks for your insights.  Much appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 14, 2005, 12:08:44 am
Cortland grabs seventh straight in solid 66-52 fashion at RIT. Dragons coming at teams from many, many directions. Shoot 7x18 3s and have four scoring double digits: D. Maggiacomo 15 pts (3x8 3s), D. Jutton 14 pts (4x7 3s), F. Ranieri 12 pts. (6x9fg), 4 assts; S. Skrelja 10 pts., 15 REB. Skrelja and Maggiacomo come off bench, Skrelja 29' court time second only to Jutton's 32'.
Cortland ahead 32-28 at half and open second period with 23-3 run! Leads by 22 with 10' left. Corts 22x54fg. RIT shoots 21x60 (3x17 3s) in seeing three game win streak terminated. T. Bacon 19 pts, 11 reb for Tigers. Cortland 7-1
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on December 15, 2005, 03:42:48 pm
ILOVEBALL - amazing: scratching your head in disbelief at what you saw. That, in a word, describes my experience watching Edane Barton play basketball. Over the past 2 years I have seen him consistently outrebound people 5" taller and 50 lbs heavier; strip the best point guards in the league and convert huge dunks at the other end; hit NBA range 3's while getting dumped on his backside and then convert the and 1. I've also seen him commit dozens of unforced turnovers in every imaginable situation, launch passes to what appear to be imaginary team mates, or totally disappear for long stretches of minutes. The one constant has been never knowing what to expect.  His play can not reasonably be described without using superlatives. I'm not sure that his play can be reasonably described at all; no one else in the league can match either his "Oh, Wow" or "Doh!" factors - and in all respects, he meets my definition of head scratching amazing.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 21, 2005, 10:54:10 am
Potsdam road woes lingering ....but what a way to go! In Hawaii, Bears drop preset tourney pair to D2 Hawaii Hilo 91-63, and to Daytona's Embry-Riddle 77-72 Now 5-4 with four straight road setbacks

In today's slip to ER, Potsdam trails 53-33 before rallying within two with 2' left. ER trey at 1' jacks margin to five. Damners back to three, ER ft's finish it.  Shoot 28x68fg (8x21 3s) to ER's 27x51fg (6x14 3s). ER 12-1. E. Barton 17 pts (6x12fg(2x4 3s), 11 rebs, 5 assts, 6 of Bears' 19 tOvers; D. Bisesi 15 pts (6x9fg, 3x4 3s); B. Siskavich 12 pts (5x8 3s); E. Ducena 11 pts. Barton 4 fouls in 27', Bisesi 4 in 29', Ducena 4 in 30'

In Monday loss Pdam 23x59fg to Hilo's 30x51(11x15 3s). Barton 12 pts, 9 reb, 4 assts; Bisesi 9 pts. Hilo 6-3

 


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 29, 2005, 04:23:58 pm
As we prepare to board the Florida Express .......

Thursday openers at Montclair tourney have 5-2 Plattsburgh, winners of three straight, in rugged test vs. 7-1 Keene of NH, and Montclair vs. Bridgewater MA in fray of 3-4 marks. Keene had six game win streak till dropping 100-97 outing vs. respected 7-2 Tufts Jumbos. Tourney concludes Friday
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 29, 2005, 09:11:34 pm
Plattsburgh slips 101-100 in overtime to Keene St. (NH) in Montclair tourney start
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: unbearable on December 29, 2005, 11:26:42 pm
Jdex,

Have a wonderful time in Florida.  We all appreciate your efforts to keep us informed.  Best wishes for a happy and healthy new year.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 30, 2005, 12:09:23 am
Unbearable,
Appreciate it ...................rarely get near a computer in FLA., but do keep close tabs on SUNYACs. Looks like top notch horse race in Jan/Feb. Cortland all we thought they'd be -- tough. Very deep. It'll be interesting to see how TSpan handles the point. Elbert Nalls draws starting assignment and does well in all facets. Gets pulled early and rarely sees duty thereafter. Generally his successors even better -- Maggiacomo and Skrelja in particular.

Plattsburgh in quite the game this evening and faces host Montclair (68-67 loss to Bridgewater MA) on Friday afternoon.
Keene NH escaped Cardinals' charge from 68-42 deficit at 11:35 to 86-86 tie on A. Williams' '3' at 0:17. After Keene hoop, A. Miller layup at 0:01 created reg. knot at 88.
Keene hit FTs six-seconds into ot and led by eight at 3:08. Back came Platts within 99-97 on A. Williams' trey at 0:55. Miller layup at 0:32 made it 101-99 and his ft moments later posted final score. Miller missed jumper at 0:02
Pburgh 34x68fg (9x27 3s), 23x30ft. Had 47-36 board edge. Lost Williams, T. Gorham, K. Gibbs-Smith on fouls (Keene 25x36ft and 32x70fg). Miller 21 pts (6x9fg, 8x9ft), 5 assts, 5 stls in 24'; Williams 20 pts (6x13fg); Gibbs-Smith 15 pts (6x8fg) and 6 TVers in 24'; R. Rider 13 pts (4x7fg, 2x3 3s) in 19'; T. Gorham 11 pts (4x4fg), 10 rebs; B. Hatch 10 rebs
Keene 8-1. Had 44-30 halftime bulge
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on January 04, 2006, 12:04:05 am
Florida? Where in Florida?  I live down here in West Palm Beach.

Haven't been on these boards in a while.  Wishing good Luck to the Golden Eagles in D.C.  as they head for the Catholic tournament!

I'd love to see my Alma Mater Play the beloved administrator of this site's Alma Mater! 

First, there is Eastern who I know nothing about.  Anyone have any info on the Eastern Eagles?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on January 04, 2006, 01:02:06 pm
Bport on the road tonight  at #10 york pa after having almost a month off. Bport then travels to catolic(receiving votes top 25) for a weekend tourney . GOOD LUCK BPORT
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on January 04, 2006, 01:02:41 pm
catholic
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on January 05, 2006, 08:43:16 am
Bport puts up a good fight on the road at #10 york pa. Bport down 10 at the half opens 2nd half on a 17-9 run to get within 2 pts halfway throughh 2nd half. York opens the lead back to 7pts and pulls away late for a 91-77 win. York has won 22 straight on there home court. Belluci goes for 24 and rother nets 19 in his first game for the port. cheeves and amparo also hit for double figures. The question still remains when are williams and harris going to be allowed back on the team? With rother back this is a good team, if williams and harris come back this team will be VERY GOOD.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on January 05, 2006, 01:16:18 pm
If Williams and Harris still aren't with the team now that we've moved into 2006, I'd seriously doubt they'll be coming back at all. The second semester (in terms of actual classes) starts for most schools over the next few weeks. Anyone who sat out in the first semester....i.e. John Rother and Mychal Wilkes, is now eligible because that semester is over. Right around the time of the Hamilton game is when the Brockport roster changed and Williams and Harris were taken off, and maybe some others, I can't remember. Seems to me, the Port's roster is always very large.

I think Brockport can contend for the league title with the nucleus of Rother, Cheeves and Belluci. But, their style of play and lack of players to choose from could hurt them down the stretch. After the Catholic tournament, there's the resumption of conference play, plus the Chase Tournament. If anything, Brockport will be battle tested and these games against tough competition will ready them for conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 06, 2006, 04:01:53 pm
Jdex reporting in .......from Clearwater at the moment .....

Seems all getting back into full swing this weekend ......know Cortland over Hartwick 79-62 on Wednesday, and at RPI tonight to begin five game road swing that includes Oneonta on Tuesday and north country (Pdam, Platts) following weekend, then at Oswego. Quite the haul!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 06, 2006, 10:34:37 pm
Cortland grabs ninth straight with 72-55 halting of host RPI. Shoots 48% (27x56fg, 8x19 3s) led by R. Headley 17 pts, D.. Jutton 16 pts (4x7 3s), D. Maggiacomo 12 pts (4x8 3s), F. RAnieri 11 pts, S. Skrelja 8 pts, 5 assts, 6 rebs, 3 stls. Up 38-27 at half. Dragons 9-1.
Maggiacomo 19 pts  (5x9 3s) on Wed. vs. 'Wick.
Corts continue coming at you from varying directions.

Oswego loses 91-83 at 2-6 St. Lawrence. Trails 42-35 at half, by 70-55 before rallying to 85-78. M. Burridge 28 pts, 7 rebs; N. Perioli 18 pts, A. Mims 13 pts

Oneonta tumbles 68-51 to NJ's R. Stockton in Union Tourney

Await Buff St. at M. Washington from Albright Tourney. Host all over Grove City.

Think we said Corts at Oswego middle of this month. Actually, Lakers at Cortland about that time. Dragons upcoming at Oneonta, Plats, Pdam and UTech before hosting Platts and Oswegos

Night from chilly Clearwater
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 07, 2006, 10:44:12 pm
Potsdam back in win column with home 75-73 stopping of Worcester St. E. Barton layup at 0:45 snaps 71-71 tie; B. Siskavich steal and 2ft clincher though Worcester misses 25 footer at :02 after theft. E. Ducena 15 pts, Barton 14, 6 rebs, 4 stls, 7 aswsts, Siskavich 14 pts in 18'; D. Bisesi 11 pts. Pdam 36-33 at half

Brockport bows to 8-2 Eastern 111-98. Winners cash 63 pts in second half to overcome 53-48 Bport intermission lead. B. Bellucci 31 pts in route going Eagles' effort

Oswego over Clarkson 79-73 in Potsdam. Lakers by 41-32 at half but trail by 5 with 9' left. M. Burridge 17 pts. first half and finishes with 26 (12x17fg), 8 rebs. A Mims 14 pts, 12 rebs, N. Perioli 13 pts

Buffalo St. tripped 81-76 by Albright in latter's tourney final. Albright 45-39 at half and extend to 69-55 before BS back to 78-76 on G. Jones trey on heels of his 4-pointer. Jones 25 pts, J. Tirado 20. Both all-stars. J. Williams held to 8 pts. after 33 in Friday's 88-86 beating of Mary Washington

Oneonta over St. Joe's, Me. 83-53. J. Wysocki leads Dragons with 14 pts, J. Murphy 13, M. Reardon 13. OState 39-25 halftime leaders and shoot 29x63fg

New Paltz loses 76-58 to Manhattanville. Down 36-28 at half and never closer. J. Hauser 17 pts, K. Crichlow 9

Fredonia in OT past Thiel 81-73 as T. Alassari nets 30 pts (14x20ft), C. Donahue 21 pts (5x11 3s). Leads 41-30 at half and was 66 all in reg.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: docksider on January 07, 2006, 11:25:58 pm
Jdex, thanks for the news.  I'm always amazed that I can get the scoop from you here faster than I can get results from the SUNYAC website.  Great write ups. 

Hope FL is good to you and that your internet connections are better than expected.   We're all better for your reports.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 08, 2006, 10:22:15 pm
Brockport gets to 4-5 when Drew yields 81-70 in consi of Catholic tourney on Sunday. Drew, 6-7, forges 37-34 halftime lead. Eagles 24x52fg (11x27 3s) and paced by all-tourney J. Cheves 26 pts (8x17fg, 5x13 3s), 9 rebs. Jon Rother 14 pts (5x9fg, 2x4 3s), 6 reb. Bport 43-32 reb edge. B. Bellucci checked to 6 pts (3x12fg) after 30 in Sat. loss to Eastern, Pa. when Cheves had 11, Rother 16. In nation's capital, host 9-3 Catholic wins title with 89-67 beating of Eastern. On to big Chase for Eagles

Also Sat, UTech in 67-60 slip to 7-1 Vassar, whose Brewers up 29-28 at break. Utica ahead 53-52 at 6:30, then in 63-53 arrears at 1:43. Shoots 26x61fg (4x22 3s). C. Reaves 10 pts, 6 assts; C. Laboard 10 pts, 6 rebs, 6 assts; A. Gilkes 10 pts (5x9fg), 7 reb
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bimbo coles on January 10, 2006, 08:19:21 am
Ahhhhhh 2nd semmester basketball.. Who can stay stong, and who will fall off???

For how I think the SUNYAC will pan out...

1. I have to go with Cortland, with 4 players in double figures and a solid core Maggiacomo, and Ranieri esp. I would have to say down the strech that they will stand atop the SUNYAC standings.. However I don't know if they will be able to keep it up in the post season, last year fallin to OSU in Utica..

2. Oswego, yes although a minor slip at St.LU (which may hurt them down the strech) I think the Lakers will take the #2 spot in the SUNYAC.. Solid front court with Mims, Burrige, however besides Perioli in the backcourt maybe a bit lacking.. Will 40' a game take a toll on Perioli down the strech, we will see.. Hopefully they will find that 4th and 5th spark with the 4 Ruter playing limited minutes, injury?

3. Buff State, that's right BUFF STATE... Besides getting smacked by proven D1 Buffalo the bengals have been in all of their other 3 losses.. With J Williams and Gregg Jones being a solid 1-2 punch on the offensive end almost producing 40 points per game.. Playing 11 players over 10 minutes a game to me is incredible, which shows they are not affraid to use their bench.. Can they keep it together on the court??

4. Potsdam
5. Brockport, who I think will pick it up in the 2nd half
6. SUNYIT, who I think will fall off alittle 2nd half..
7. Plattsburgh
8. New Paltz
9.Oneonta
10. Fredonia
11. Geneseo
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Post by: jdex on January 10, 2006, 12:42:52 pm
Tuesday appears to have the haves vs. have nots on top (always a dangerous situation, especially since all 'haves' are on the road): Cortland at Oneonta, UTech at New Paltz, Oswego at Fredonia

In Wednesday's Chase action, 5 seed Bport is home to 4 RIT, and 8 Geneseo meets 1 Fisher at Naz

SUNYAC lineup:
Cortland 2-0, 9-1
Oswego 2-0, 8-2
Potsdam 2-0, 6-4
SUNYIT 2-0, 4-4
Buffalo St. 2-1, 8-4
Oneonta 1-2, 6-5
Brockport 1-2, 4-5
Plattsburgh 1-2, 5-4
New Paltz 1-1, 4-6
Fredonia 0-3, 5-6
Geneseo 0-3, 2-6

Anyone see any major roster moves? Know Bport activates erstwhile CState all-star Jon Rother. Others? Plus ....minus?
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Post by: bports on January 10, 2006, 04:49:03 pm
Still no word on harris and williams but Bport activates mychal wilkes a guard from newark. I believe he has been inserted into the starting lineup and has had double figures 2 out of 3 games.
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Post by: jdex on January 10, 2006, 05:45:15 pm
'Sheek,' your second semester prognostication has merit. Bottom four for sure. Buff State looks to be in the upper mix. Seems to have defined top players and plenty of depth. Inside play looks rugged from several directions. Bengals in past have tendency to be quite undisciplined. Time will tell. How profound, huh?
Believe Cortland has staying power. Although plenty of points from perimeter as in the past, Dragons tougher inside because of Taggart. Can score if necessary, but content to fill a role -- screening, rebounding, defense. TSpan uses him according to matchups.
Schaller has returned to team after playing football, and has seen very limited action. Was expected to contend for starting point slot. Others have filled the bill in various capacities.
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Post by: thebear on January 10, 2006, 08:31:28 pm
Looking at the Massey Ratings

SUNYAC

Cortland (46)
Buff St. (98)
Potsdam (145)
Oswego (149)
SUNYIT (155)
Brockport (181)
Oneonta (207)
Plattsburgh (223)
Geneseo (259)
New Paltz (265)
Fredonia (283)

Think Cortland is the clear #1 with their veteran club.  Oswego lost a lot of toughness with the departure of Ponza, Oliver, and Constance, who were all scrappers.

Will be a scramble for 2-4 with Buff St, Potsdam, Oswego, IT, B'port all in the mix.  Suspect the bottom three won't change much barring injury.

Last year, the 1-4 seeds all won their openers.  Anything can happen in Utica, as its a road game for everyone.

P.S.  Potsdam's two losses in Hawaii were to a very talented Hawaii Hilo, team now 10-3 and a 2004-05 D-II top ten team, and Embry-Riddle (16-1), which narrowly held off (77-72)a late Potsdam charge and is the #1 team in NAIA D-II.  Potsdam is young, but if they can hang in there through the SUNYAC and win a first round home game, their newcomers will all have a year's experience under their belts by the time Utica rolls around.

Potsdam mid-year add is Jehrod Hall, Jr. from No. Country Community College, athletic 6-4 swing man, who coupled with Barton will give the Bears athletic mismatches at the #3 & #4 spots.  Potsdam is very young, currently starting a freshman, two sophs and two seniors. 
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Post by: bimbo coles on January 10, 2006, 10:51:14 pm
Lakers get by Fredonia in a closer than expected game.. 71-64.. A. Mims 20 on 9x15 and 5 boards, n. Perioli 12 on 3x11 0-5 from arc.. and 10 assists no TO in 39', Burrige after averaging 26 in last 2, goes for only 6 on 3x5..
Fredonia- Anderson 19 pts on 7x13.. Alassari 8 pts on only 2x7 from the floor.. OSU goes 6-6 down the strech from the line to put the game away.. Lakers 9-3, 3-0.. Blue Devils 5-7, 0-4..
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Post by: jdex on January 10, 2006, 11:36:19 pm
Cortland gets 10th straight with 74-62 stopping of host Oneonta where F. Ranieri goes for 19 pts, 9 reb, 4 assts; S. Taggart 17 pts, 12 reb (10 offensive; D. Maggicomo 11 pts (3x6 3s). Corts never real comfy; up 29-22 at half. Dragons 28x62fg to OState 22x51

SUNYIT conquers entertaining New Paltz 90-80. Tech 34-30 at intermission, sees daylight then withstands NP charge within three at :43. C. Reaves 24 pts (12 each half), 8 assts; C. Plante 19 pts, C. Laboard 13 pts, E. Belone 10 pts. J. Hauser 19 pts, 10 reb for NP. B. Kaible 11 pts, J. Sugroe 10 pts, K. Crichlow 10 pts

Plattsburgh takes guest St. Lawrence 69-64 behind A. Williams 22 pts (8x13fg), 7 reb. His two free flips late widen 67-64 margin. Cards end four game losing skid. T. Gorham 9 pts, 15 rebs; K. Gibbs-SMith 14 pts. Platts in 41-25 halftime command

Oswego locked in 37-all game at the break. Perioli and Downing clutch charity tosses near the wire. Downing 11 pts. Both sides 25x50fg. Lakers 15x16 free throwing. Oswego down the stretch had 61-49 lead
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Post by: jdex on January 11, 2006, 09:39:45 pm
Geneseo bows 70-55 to Fisher in Chase opener. Trails 31-30 at half and Fisher on 10-0 spurt midway through second half pulls away. T. Kitson 12 pts (6x7fg) leads Knights

Brockport up 69-63 on RIT with 6:30 left
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Post by: jdex on January 11, 2006, 09:44:57 pm
Bport 76-74 at 2:30
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Post by: jdex on January 11, 2006, 09:58:40 pm
Bport-RIT in OT
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Post by: jdex on January 11, 2006, 10:14:23 pm
Brockport in OT tips RIT 99-87 at Bport. B. Bellucci 22 pts, 11 rebs; D. Rubertone 20 pts; J. Rother 19 pts, 5 rebs; J. Zenkel 14 pts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on January 13, 2006, 05:40:39 pm
Sheek - thanks for your views.
Bear - thanks for the Massey ratings, generally find them more useful than others.

I haven't seen everyone yet but this year looks easier to call then several previous.

The bottom four: Fredonia, Geneseo, New Paltz, and Oneonta in no particular order. One of them will make the SUNYAC tourney so why not Oneonta.

Plattsburg, Potsdam, SUNY IT, are likely 5 - 7. Plattsburg is the most dangerous on a given night. Playing there is usually diificult but, much like last season,  you never know what you'll get from the Cards night to night. Potsdam is young, rebounds poorly, and defensively challenged. I like thebear's optimism - first round home game - but don't currently share that view. Have't seen IT yet but stats suggest a 4 or 5 finish.

Top four: (1) Cortland. Have seen them twice and like this team. Hard working, well coached, veterans. Nothing special about any one guy - but they all share they ball, work the boards, hustle on defense, and and shoot FTs. You can win on the road with those skills.
(2) Oswego. Have seen them twice. Like to watch Perioli - a tough, decisive leader. Mims is quick and a leaper. Both are great entertainment but not enough help available. (3) Buffalo State. Can score with anyone but too often fail to D-up. (4) Brockport. This is Bellucci's last hurrah, Rother will keep his nose clean.

I know it's only January, but don't see anyone getting out of the first round of the NCAA's. Prove me wrong boys, please.



Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 13, 2006, 06:35:07 pm
Bearseh,
Like your thinking. Right on. Real interesting weekend for Cortland, at Pburgh tonight and at Pdam tomorrow. This always a difficult trip. Can't remember many times a CState sweep. Maybe 2000-01 when Dragons won 18 in a row; and maybe once before. Current win streak at 10. No real stickout wins, though seven have come on the road (including escape of depleted Bports). One of best games was only loss, season opener to current 9-3 Trinity (on 4 pt. play in closing seconds).
Having Potsdam travel to Oswego tonight may help Cortland. Seems like past matchups have always had Pdam at home the prior night.

Also tonight NPaltz at BuffSt, Oneonta at SUNYIT. Currently underway is Bport clash with Fisher goliaths. Could be quite the feather for Eagles, who should certainly be paying more attention than vs. RIT. Bports saw early 27 pt. lead vanish before recovering in OT.

Geneseo today crushed RIT 86-56 in Chase tourney at UR. Knights ahead 52-23 at half and hit 35x60fg. G. Spears 20 pts(9x13fg), 6 rebs, 5 assts; J. Kling 13 pts(6x7fg), S. Sciera 11 pts, J. Papincak 11 pts, S. Morton 6 assts. Face Naz/Keuka winner on Sat
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 13, 2006, 11:14:26 pm
Cortland 70, Plattsburgh 58
Oswego 63, Potsdam 51
Buffalo St. 63, New Paltz 62
SUNYIT 69, Oneonta 66
St. John Fisher 94, Brockport 78
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 14, 2006, 12:04:54 am
Cortland's  F. Ranieri nets 24 pts (1,014 career), 12 rebs, 4 assts; R. Headley 11 pts, 4 assts; D. Maggiacomo 11 pts; S.
Taggart 6 rebs. Dragons' 11th in a row. Best start (11-1) since 1963-64 Dave Bleau era

Oswego carries early big stick -- 42-22 at half. Lakers 19x54fg to Pdam's 21x60. Road woes continue for Bears, just 1x9 3s. E. Barton 24 pts(8x15fg), 17 rebs, 5 stls in 38' for Pdam. Oswego's M. Burridge 18 pts, 15 rebs; spare K. Reuter 11 pts. Lakers get it done without usual big night from N. Perioli (1x4fg) 2 pts, 2 assts in 37'. E. Roberson off bench for 9 pts in 19'. Mims also in check

Buffalo State holds on behind G. Jones 20 pts(6x16fg), 3x8 3s; D. Mozelle 14 pts (6x8fg), 15 rebs; D. Griggs 14 pts(7x12fg), 11 rebs. BS ahead 36-31 at intermission, hike lead to 12. NP in late bolt and misses at buzzer. B. Kaible 17 pts(6x10fg, 5x9 3s) for Hawks; J. Hauser 11 pts, 7 rebs, 5 assts; M. Irwin 10 pts.  BS 24x55fg, 23 TVers and 43-31 reb edge. NP 25x58fg (9x25 3s).
BS without 21ppg J. Williams. No longer on roster

Brockport stays with Fisher most of the way. Down 47-43 at half and within 76-72 at 7:18. SJF with 31-44 reb. advantage and shoots steady 37x73fg. Bport 25x58(4x18 3s). J. Cheves 19 pts(6x16fg), 5 reb; B. Bellucci 18 pts(8x13fg), 8 reb in 37'; J. Rother 18 pts(6x10fg), 3 blks in just 24' (3pf).
Bport faces RobtsWesleyan in Saturday Chase consi

Geneseo up against Keuka in another Chase consi on Saturday
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Post by: bearseh on January 14, 2006, 01:16:37 am
Back from Oswego. Laker Hall is a great venue and restaurants are outdtanding! The game, on the other hand...

Oswego looks great in the first half. Solid defense, superb transition game. Potsdam looks as inexperienced as they are, never get back on D, and can't handle Burridge inside. 2nd half - Potsdam's Barton puts on all-league performance (see jdex stats above), shuts down Burridge, and the rest of the Lakers, except Reuter disappear. Broderick smashes clipboard to pieces nearly blinding a fan in the third row. Best sit high if behind the Laker bench.

Lakers margin of victory is at the line - no surprise when playing there, eh. Lakers with 18 more opportunities than Potsdam. Note - only 7 more PFs blown on the Bears, but as we know, its not how many the Z's whistle - but when - that controls a game.

Worth the trip to see Burridge (1st half) and Barton (2nd half) and post-game pasta. Disappointments: Both point guards. More experienced Perioli smart enough to not force much when A-game isn't there. Beisesi could learn a lot from him.

Hold Your Nose Stat of the Night: Potsdam with a total of 3 assists.

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Post by: jdex on January 14, 2006, 06:44:31 pm
Cortland 69, Potsdam 60
Fredonia 70, New Paltz 67
Plattsburgh 75, Ithaca 68
Robts Wesleyan 91, Brockport 85
Geneseo 85, Keuka 71
Tonight: SUNYIC at Oswego
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Post by: jdex on January 14, 2006, 07:24:14 pm
Cortland grabs 12th straight with 69-60 win at Potsdam. Dragons hit half of 26 shots in first half for 32-25 lead. Bears 9x26fg in opening period and wind up 23x53 and 9x19 3s. Corts (23x50fg, 6x14 3s) have five in double figures: F. Ranieri 13 (5x7fg), 3 assts; S. Taggard 13 (6x8fg), 8 rebs; D. Maggiacomo 13 (3x4 3s and 3x3 1st half); S. Skrelja 11 pts (4x7fg); D. Jutton 10 pts; E. Nalls 4 assts in 19'. E. Barton paces host Bears with 16 pts(6x15fg), 13 reb, 6 TVers. D. Bisesi 13 pts(3x5 3s); E. Ducena 12pts (4x8 3s)

Fredonia up 27-24 at half. M. Kelly 12 pts(4x8 3s); K. Gordon 11 pts(5x8fg); T. Alassari 11 pts, 5 assts. NP gets 15 pts(3x5 3s), 6 assts, 2 stls from M. Irwin; B. Kaible 13 pts, J. Hauser 11 pts, K. Critchlow 5 rebs

Plattsburgh at home sees 25-12 lead gone by half (36-36). IC up by four at 5' before Platts reversal keyed by Gibbs-Smith and T. Gorham. Pburgh 23x46fg but 25x35ft (IC 9x13ft). Gorham 18 pts (5x9fg), 13 rebs; A. Williams 18 pts (7x10fg), 8 TVers in 40'; Gibbs-Smith 18 pts(5x8fg) in 27' bench role. Cards end five game IC win streak.

Brockport finishes fourth in Chase tourney. RW in 51-44 halftime lead but trails Eagles 78-77 before fast finish. RW 46-35 board edge. B. Bellucci 19 pts(7x10fg), 7 reb, 3 assts; J. Cheves 19 pts(5x9 3s); J. Rothers 12 pts(4x11fg), 4 blks; M. Wilkes 10 pts(2x4 3s); J. Zenkel 4 assts. RW 11-8

Geneseo finishes fifth in Chase. G. Spears 23 pts(11x17fg), 7 rebs; T. Kitson 16 pts(6x8fg); N. Kelly 14 pts(4x8 3s), 5 assts of team's 25; S. McDonnell 12 pts(4x7fg). Ahead 43-35 at half and hit 8x17 3s for game
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on January 14, 2006, 09:38:04 pm
Cortland should get some top 25 consideration.  Their only loss is by one point to a respectable Trinity (Conn) squad, who beat #8 Amherst today.
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Post by: bearseh on January 14, 2006, 11:42:00 pm
bamm - I admire your optimisim re: top 25 consideration for Cortland. Much has been written about their 1 "quality loss". What's missing are quality wins, and they won't get them in the SUNYAC this year. Top to bottom the league, sadly,  will not generate the strength of schedule needed for a top 25 rating.

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Post by: bamm on January 14, 2006, 11:46:10 pm
bearseh -- I pretty much posted the same opinion in the Top 25 board regarding the strength (or lack of) in the SUNYAC.  Regardless, a consecutive win streak (12 and counting) compared to only one loss on the season at some point becomes hard to ignore.  The situation may end up like Fisher last year:  piling up wins against average teams (maybe a couple decent teams, but no big wins) will move you into the top 25, but not without a fair amount of skeptics.
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Post by: thebear on January 15, 2006, 08:20:20 am
I was at the game, and Cortland is a good team. 

But they don't have the one player that makes them special.  I agree they may get top 25 votes because of a gaudy record, but I still think the SUNYAC is an any given team can beat any other league.

Props to Cortland for going 2-0 on the dreaded North Country swing however.  Not done very often.

By the way, Edane Barton averaged 20 points and !!15!! rebounds in the weekend losses to arguably the top two teams in the SUNYAC!

For those who care, the temperature drop in Potsdam over the last 24 hour is 47 degrees.  0 in the North Woods this morning.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 15, 2006, 12:49:53 pm
Another blow for SUNYAC strength? SUNYIT over Oswego 88-81 AT Oswego.
Oswegos 42-41 lead at half in what appears to be very even test. C. Laboard 23 pts, 8 rebs and C. Reeves 22 pts, 12 reb, 6 assts for Techsters. A. Mims 21 pts in loss as all five Lakers in double figures. M. Burridge 10 pts.

Sure do agree degree of mediocrity hurting Cortland. Dragons make cover page this week as 'flavor of the week'?????? Corts and Potsdam tied at 45 last night before 13-2 Dragon run featuring big man S. Taggart. F. Ranieri may be closest to go-to guy, but this team has many, many dangerous hands.

Also, of Cortland's first 13 games, 10 have been on the road. Corts go to Utica on Tuesday before launch of finishing kick mostly at their Corey Gym. That's where Platts and Oswegos visit next weekend.
And as we said, opening loss to Trinity, Ct. in tourney game may have been Dragons' finest moment to date (which is certainly saying something about SUNYAC this winter). Cortland led most of the way and we believe the entire second half until closing seconds -- and dastardly trey+ft. Trinity 10-3 after ambushing highly ranked and at-home Amherst last night
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Post by: bearseh on January 15, 2006, 08:24:21 pm
What's happening to Oswego in the 2nd half? Horrible 2nd half at home v. Potsdam. I didn't see the IT game but numbers suggest another let down. 

Hey bear, is Doc Smith still in shorts? Or is it really cold?
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Post by: Maxcy Maniac on January 15, 2006, 08:42:34 pm
Doc Smith....still in shorts.
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Post by: thebear on January 16, 2006, 07:03:48 am
bearseh

IMHO, Perioli is having to play nearly 40 per game.  No quality backup to run the point.  These three game weeks are going to take a toll.

SUNYIT is athletic, but you can't underestimate what Murphy brings to the bench.  He know what to do when the game is on the line, and as long as he has enough talent to compete, he'll win more than his share.

5 below with wind chill in the -20 range.  Just another normal Janaury Day in Potsdam.  I suspect Doc Smith will still be in Shorts.

Props to the memory of Dr. ML King today.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 17, 2006, 10:11:15 pm
Cortland 76, SUNYIT 70
Oswego 93, Buffalo St. 75
Brockport 83, New Paltz 66
Oneonta at Plattsburgh, ppd. to Wed
Potsdam 75, St. Lawrence 68
Geneseo 79, Elmira 40
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Maxcy Maniac on January 17, 2006, 10:38:57 pm
Dispite not playing the first half Edane Barton led the Bears over St. Lawernce with 27 points in 16min.  Who can match up with Edane?  ???
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Post by: thebear on January 17, 2006, 10:43:52 pm
Just back from the Potsdam game at St. Lawrence.

Far more interesting than the final score indicated.

Potsdam coach Dobbs benched 3 starters and 6 reserves for the first half for reasons related to team rules.

Diminshed Bear forces (only six players saw action) were scrappy and kept it close in the first half, half ended with SLU up 34-25.  Freshman Damon Brown had 10 first half points to lead the Bears.  SLU had balanced scoring, but missed a golden opportunity with a 6x17 performance at the charity stripe.

In the second half, Potsdam's Edane Barton set a school record for points in a half with 27, added 6 rebounds and three steals, going 10x13 from the floor (In 16 minutes!!!).  SLU tried guarding Barton with everyone, but Barton kept driving to the hoop through traffic for layup after layup.  Brown added 12 points and 8 rebounds in his most extended action of the season.

Soph Tyler Shaver led Saints with 18 points, while Freshman Bela Vonnak had 16 points and 11 rebounds in 16 minutes.

Like Potsdam, SLU is very young with four freshman and two sophs in their 9 player regular rotation.  The Potsdam team that showed up in the last 10 minutes of the second half can compete with anyone.


Potsdam has the long trek to Fredonia and Buffalo this weekend.  
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Post by: jdex on January 17, 2006, 11:02:00 pm
Cortland takes undisputed first place lead with dispatch of former co-leading SUNYIT in Utica. F. Ranieri produces another solid show with 21 pts(10x13fg). D. Jutton 17 pts(5x10 3s), 3 stls; D. Maggiacomo 11 pts, 5 assts; S. Taggard 10 pts, 7 rebs; S. Skrelja 9 pts; R. Headley 8 pts. Dragons win 13th strraight (10-1 on the road)

Brockport's B. Bellucci 33 pts(11x13fg, 10x12ft), 6 rebs, 5 assts, 2 stls. Eagles 39-26 over NP at half. D. Rubertone 12 pts(5x10fg), 14 rebs, 3 assts, 2 stls; K. Amparo 8 tps, 11 rebs in 23'; J. Rother 7 pts, 8 rebs, 3 assts, 5 TVers in 24'. Bport 30x66fg and 49-31 board lead. NP 28x67fg and led by J. Hauser 20 pts(9x19fg), K. Crichlow 13 pts, B. Kaible 12 pts, J. Richards 10 pts, M. Irwin 8 assts, 3 stls, 6 TVers

Oswego in 49-37 control at half and finishes 37x58fg(7x10 3s). T. Franze 20 pts(9x14fg), 7 assts in 26'; N. Perioli 20 pts(8x11fg, 2x3 3s) in 37'; A. Mims 15 pts(7x9fg), 8 rebs; T. Downing 14 pts(5x6fg, 3x3 3s); M. Burridge 2 pts, 3 rebs in 14' (4pf). BS 29x56fg and led by D. Mozelle 17 pts(8x14fg), 9 rebs; G. Jones 15 pts(5x10fg); D. Griggs 15 pts(7x11fg), 6 rebs; J. Rirado 11 pts(7x8ft), 4 assts

Potsdam shoots down SL 34-25 halftime lead. As Maniac says, no Barton in first half and 3' for B. Siskavich then. It's latter's free throws that tie and former's layup that put Bears over the top in second half. Barton 27pts(10x13fg, 7x9fg), 6 rebs, 3 stls and 4pf -- all in second half, we gather. D. Brown 12 pts, 8 rebs (10, 7 1st half). Pdam 26x61fg(4x7 3s), 19x32ft. SL 18x35ft and 23x57fg -- (DA BEAR SPEAKETH ABOVE)

Geneseo 43-14 cushion at the break. Knights shoot 31x59fg overall. N. Kelly 12 pts, S. McDonnell 12 pts, G. Spears 11 pts, 5 rebs; J. Papincak 11 pts, 5 rebs; B. Bennett 5 of Gens 22 assists. Elmira 25 turnovers

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 17, 2006, 11:39:21 pm
Quite the scare for Cortland in Utica. Host out to 24-12 lead. Cortland up 27-26 but trails 38-35 at half. Twas 64-64 at 4:39 and Dragons by 67-66 at 3:19. E. Belone '3' brings Tech within 71-70 at 1:10. Jutton trey at 0:14 lifts Cortland, whose M. Schaller two free flips at 0:04 the climax. First Schaller points of the season. Saw action for a minute.
Cortland 33x63fg and 4x10ft where UT was 2x4. Uticans 29x60fg and paced by C. Reaves 16 pts(7x16fg). A. Gilkes 12 pts(6x7fg), Belone 12 pts, C. Plante 11
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Post by: bearseh on January 18, 2006, 08:06:37 pm
Great nght for the concessionaires at St.  Lawrence. Z crew blows 50, count 'em, 50 personals. Teams combine for 30 turnovers, actually not bad for these two young teams, for a grand total of 80 play stoppages - not including time outs. Two per minute of play...smooth.

Need to maximize hot dog, popcorn, and No-Doze sales, be sure to reserve the Syracuse Whistle Wailers for your game. With 50 personals and 67 FT attempts, you'll have more than enough time to solicit visiting alums. Build that new field house today.
Call today! 1-800-315-BLOW.
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Post by: thebear on January 18, 2006, 10:00:37 pm
You had to be there to believe it.   

While the new SLU layout is very nice, (no wall of death for players to  contend with as in past years), the entrance for the fans is through the back door. 

Only concessions in sight were a couple of vending machines. 

Nevertheless props to the Carlisle family (NBA Rick's folks) for funding a very nice upgrade, far superior to the Amherst facility that passed for a sectional venue last year.

In the first half, while Potsdam was playing with reduced forces, Potsdam's two post players set some sort of record with eight fouls in 35 minutes of PT. 

First half FT shooting was serious futility as well.  Potsdam's 6x13 would be enough for wailing and gnashing of coaches' teeth, but SLU topped that with a 6x17 effort on their home court.

At least the game was cozy, weather outside was an sleet/ice storm with 45 mph winds.  Cute.

Barton was impressive in the second half, broke a 33 year old school record for pts in a half set in '73 first by now D-I (Siena, Marquette, Lamar, Wagner) coach Mike Deane, and later duplicated in '85 by D3 POY Brendan Mitchell.  Pretty heady company.

Bears are developing, SLU had just beaten Union, and last week Oswego at SLU - both top 10 clubs in the east region.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 18, 2006, 11:21:55 pm
Plattsburgh over invading Oneonta 65-61. K. Gibbs-Smith 21 pts(6x9fg, 8x9ft), 4 rebs, 3 assts; T. Gorham 6 rebs; A. Miller 6 rebs. Cards 29-25 half leader. OState's J. Murphy 18 ptsw, S. Coffey 15, E. Johnson 13
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 20, 2006, 10:04:09 pm
Cortland 62, Plattsburgh 41
Brockport 88, Buffalo St. 85
Potsdam 66, Fredonia 54
Geneseo 74, Oneonta 59
Oswego 74, New Paltz 60
SUNYIT 102, Cazenovia 79, Thur
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 20, 2006, 10:40:38 pm
Cortland's 14th straight not a thing of beauty. Just 22x64fg but in  rebound frenzy with so many misfires (Platts 14x53). S. Taggard 19 rebs for Corts, with 9 pts in 26'. F. Ranieri 12 rebs, 11 pts. Dragons 51-31 board rule. Platts 14-6 lead 8' into Pete's Place contest. Hosts finally grab 20-19 lead at 4:12 and hold 31-21 edge at half. Still a five point game with 11' left before Corts pull away. D. Maggiacomo 17 pts(6x12fg, 4x9 3s) in usual bench role. K. Gibbs-Smith 13 pts(4x14fg), 9 reb in 39'

Potsdam falls behind Freds 30-25 at half and winds up winning on 20x27ft showing (Freds 7x10ft and only four back with 3:45 left). Potsdam 20x48fg, Devils 20x52. E. Barton in 37' had 16 pts(3x6fg, 10x13ft), 7 rebs, 4 assts, 5 stls. B. Siskavich 15 pts(4x9fg), 7 rebs in 30', S. Mitchell 10 pts(4x8fg), 4 assts. D. Bisesi off bench for 14' duty and 4 pts. M. Kelly 12 pts(4x9fg), 3 stls for Fredonia, K. Gordon 6 rebs. T. Alassari in reserve stint for 18' and 8 pts

Oswego nets first 12 pts and cruises to 36-21 halftime lead enroute to Saturday appointment at Cortland. N. Perioli 12 pts in 1st half and closes with 23 and 5 assts. M. Burridge 15 pts, A. Mims 14 pts, 7 blks, 9 rebs; K. Reuter 10 pts. NP's M. Irwin 16 pts(7x10fg), K. Crichlow 10 pts, 6 assts; J. Hauser 6 rebs, 5 assts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 20, 2006, 11:17:03 pm
Brockport takes first lead with 10:29 to go and seizes it for good at 7:16. Up 84-77 at 1:51 but Buff St within 85-83 at :57 at 87-85 at :19. B. Bellucci answers first challenge for last of 34 pts(12x18fg, 4x5 3s). Adds 7 rebs, 4 assts in 35'. BS misses trey at :04. J. Rother 16 pts(7x13fg), 3 blks; K. Amparo 15 pts(6x8fg); J. Cheves 12 pts)4x10fg, 4x9 3s). BS ahead 46-38 at intermission. Bengals 37x69fg at Tuttle. D. Griggs 20 pts(10x13fg), 9 rebs; G. Jones 19 pts(7x18fg, 1x7 3s); C. Hepburn 16 pts(7x10fg), 6 rebs in 20'; C. Guiden 9 pts, 5 assts, 4 stls; D. Mozelle 10 pts(5x14fg), 5 assts

Geneseo and OState 28-28 at half before Gens 16-4 run opens second period. Knights 27x55fg and led by soph T. Kitson 21pts(8x13fg); S. McDonnell 11 pts (9x10ft); J. Kling 10 pts(4x4fg), 3 assts; S. Morton 10 pts(5x7fg), 5 rebs; G. Spears 8pts(4x7fg). E. Bratt heads Oneonta with 19 pts(6x9fg, 3x6 3s). S. Coffey 14 pts(5x10fg, 4x8 3s); J. Murphy 11 pts; M. Reardon 7 assts. Dragons 21x51fg (8x22 3s)

SUNYIT comes from behind to beat Caz, which holds 49-45 lead at break. Utica 61-33 board domination the difference. C. Laboard 33 pts(14x26fg, 4x7 3s), 10 rebs; C. Plante 20 pts; A. Gilkes 18 pts; P. Whalen 12 pts; C. Reaves 0 pts, 7 assts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on January 21, 2006, 05:42:33 pm
Cortland-Oswego Men's Hoops

http://www.bcmonsters.com
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on January 21, 2006, 08:17:01 pm
Props to Potsdam for their successful road trip. Check out E. Barton's stat line v. Buff State. Still amazing.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 21, 2006, 08:49:43 pm
To underscore Johnny Mac's halftime intro .....it wasn't pretty .......Oswego by 5 over Cortland at the half ......

Already .....

Potsdam back from 39-38 halftime deficit to trip Buffalo State 82-79. E. Barton 21 pts(5x10fg, 11x14ft), 6 assts in 33'. E. Ducenza 18 pts(5x5fg, 4x4 3s), 5 assts; S. Mitchell 16 pts(5x5fg, 4x4 3s); D. Brown 11 pts(3x5fg). Bears 23x46fg(13x21 1st half) and 9x12 3s, 23x29ft. BS 29x62fg, 18x26ft and led by D. Mozelle 24 pts(10x21fg), 7 reb; G. Jones 18 pts; D. Griggs 17 pts(7x10fg), 7 rebs, 5 assts; C. Hepburn 11 pts. Third straight L for Bengals

Geneseo wins fifth straight with 73-49 thump of New Paltz. Leads 30-28 at half. S. McDonnell 18 pts(6x12fg); T. Kitson 16 pts(6x13fg), 8 rebs; S. Sciera 9 pts(4x8fg); B. Bennett 3 assts. NP's pivot J. Richards 15 pts, 11 rebs; K. Crichlow 16 pts(6x9fg); J. Hauser 6 assts, 3 stls
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on January 21, 2006, 09:08:40 pm
bearseh

Not just Barton - look at Mitchell and Ducena, they missed one FT between the two of them.  Both 5x5 FG 4x4 3FG, combined 6x7 FG.

Ducena had a perfect shooting line. and added 5 assists.

These two scored 34 points on 10 FGA.  That's outrageous!

Barton leads Potsdam in scoring, rebounding, Asts, & Stls.  Among the top 50 nationally in rebounds and steals.

Credit to Buff St.  Many teams would have packed it in after losing their top player at mid-season, but the Bengals have the talent and athleticism to be a force down the stretch.

SUNYAC is always interesting this time of year.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on January 21, 2006, 09:39:07 pm
Indeed - great support.

How often do you see one player grab more than half of a team's rebounds. That's wack.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 21, 2006, 10:53:23 pm
Quite the day!! ...Down go Dukies, down go Pittses, down go Gators, down goes Frazier (actually E8's Fisher at hands of Naz) ....and down go the Dragons of CState ..

Oswego 59, host Cortland 56 to square up conference leadership
Brockport 98, SUNYIT 95
Fredonia 61, Plattsburgh 51

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 21, 2006, 11:14:30 pm
Cortland 14 game win skein ends at hands of visiting Oswegos. Shaky Dragons' shooting continues second straight night.  Corts 22x58fg(4x19 3s) vs. Lakers, who go 22x49(2x12). M. Burridge 18 pts(9x11fg), 8 rebs.  pace winners. A. Mims 14 pts(5x11fg), 9 rebs; N. Perioli 5 assts (2x8fg) in 38'. For Corts F. Ranieri 15 pts; R. Headley 11 pts, 10 rebs; D. Maggiacomo 9 pts (3x14fg, 3x11 3s); S. Skrelja 10 rebs. First time Maggiacomo hasn't hit double figures this season. Off the bench at all times.
Lakers in 26-21 lead at half when Cortland 8x27fg. Lead throughout second half and 56-44 at 3:55. Don't score again till 56-50 at 1:45. Up 59-50 at 1:29. Maggiacomo nails pair of 3s, the second at :44 to complete scoring. His final trey attempt off back rim at buzzer
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 21, 2006, 11:28:45 pm
Brockport in shootout at home, survives with 28x37fting to Utica's 16x22. B. Bellucci 5x6 down the stretch prove vital and give him 27 pts(7x15fg, 3x3 3s) to go with 10 rebs, 6 assts, 6 TVrs. D. Rubertone 20 pts(7x9fg), 7 rebs; K. Amparo 19 pts(7x10fg), 4 assts; J. Rother 13 pts(5x9fg), 4pf in 26'; J. Cheves 9 pts(4x10fg).
Bport up by 11 in first half and settles for 47-42 lead at break. Nip and tuck final 20'; Tech taking 86-85 edge at 4:09 on Gilkes points. Bellucci answers with '3' at 3:45.
Bport 32x61fg(6x18 3s); Utica 34x84fg(11x31 3s). Guests' C. Laboard 28 pts(9x20fg, 3x8 3s); C. Reaves 24 pts(8x17fg), 8 rebs, 3 assts, 3 stls, 5pf; C. Bien-Aime 15 pts, 5pf in 16'; A. GIlkes 13 pts(6x13fg), 10 rebs, 4pf in 13'. Two foul out, three others with four. Bport 4-2 in league, Utica 5-2

Fredonia sees 30-14 bulge at half disappear quickly. Plattsburgh forges 34-33 lead before Freds regain balance, seize lead and hold on. T. Alassari 22 pts, C. Donahue 11 pts, T. Anderson 11 pts. Platts' J. Dumont scores 15, T. Gorham 13
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on January 22, 2006, 02:54:50 am
Dragons shooting hasn't been shakey - it has been hideous. Deciding factors on Friday: 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances and Plattsburg's inability to play any aspect of the game to any degree of competence. I rue driving an hour and spending $8 admission to view this stinker with my wife. The best part of the game was sharing an orange and Peppermint Patty at the half.

Was commmited to see Potsdam at Buff State Saturday but did follow the Oswego v Cortland web cast. Both leave heads shaking with grotesque first half. Oswego in control througout 2nd half. Up by 9 with 1:29 remaining. Cort closes with a mini-run to make it appear interesting. Actually, it was...for 1:29.

Should, at least for a while, give rest to the delusion that Dragons should be in top 25. No slam at the team intended - only at the delusional.  Dragons do D-up and make teams play ugly; most opponenets, however, can play ugly with or without D...and Dragons offense odius.

Conference tightens up and a good week ahead. We'll see if Geneseo has developed into a dangerous team - or just beating up light-weights. Games of the Week: Tuesday - Oswego v. SUNY IT; Friday - Cortland v. Geneseo; Saturday - Buff State v. Cortland.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bimbo coles on January 24, 2006, 03:48:05 pm
Big game tonight in Utica, visiting OSU Lakers vs IT Wildcats.. Oswego looks to avenge their Jan 14th 88-81 loss to Reaves and Co. With a win over Cortland last Saturday, can the Lakers keep momentum and their SUNYAC lead.. IT looks to keep pace with Conference leaders C-Land and Lakers.. Also looks to keep the pressure on  Brockport and Potsdam.. Can Laboard stay hot, and will Burridge be a presence in the post.. Better guard play definitely determing the out come of this game.. IT: Bein-Aime, Reaves, Plante.. OSU:  Perioli, Franze, Downing.

Buff State needs win tonight to stay in the mix of things, good test for Geneseo to prove themselves in the conference..

Brockport trying to take care of Fredonia at their home gym.. Looking to put some space between themselves and the bottom half of the pack..

NP at O-State… Both looking for win #2…

Plattsburg vs visiting Potsdam, big game for Potsdam to keep pace with top 4..

 :-*
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on January 24, 2006, 06:27:34 pm
Cortland-IC webcast

http://www.bcmonsters.com
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 24, 2006, 10:32:46 pm
Cortland again not very impressive but stops guest Ithaca 62-49 at Pete's Palace. F. Ranieri 18 pts, 9 rebs, 4 assts. R. Headley 12 pts. J. Bellis paces IC, Burton scoreless. Corts 32-25 at half. Just 21x55fg and 4x17 3. IC 18x51fg

Brockport humbled at Fredonia 64-56. Freds up 17-2 in first 10', then 35-7 and 39-27 at half. Brocks within 55-54 at 3:45. T. Anderson, K. Gordon, D. Watkins, C. Donohue finish strong. T. Alassari 15 pts, T. Anderson 14 pts, 6 rebs, 6 assts. J. Cheves 16 pts for Eagles, D. Rubertone 15, Bellucci held to 13

Geneseo at home all over Buffalo State 88-64. G. Spears 17 pts(7x9fg), 7 rebs; N. Kelley 12 pts(4x5 3s), T. Kitson 6 rebs. S. Morton 16 pts. Leads 47-34 at half

Plattsburgh at home nips Potsdam 71-69
Oneonta at home whips New Paltz 72-47
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 24, 2006, 10:50:55 pm
Oswego spoils home sweep with 93-89 OT conquering of SUNYIT

Plattsburgh wins behind A. Williams 23 pts(15 1st half), 7 assts. K. Gibbs-Smith 18 pts, A. Miller 13, T. Gorham 13 rebs. Up 36-35 at half. Pdam's D. Brown 24 pts(9x13fg, 6x6 3s), E. Ducena 15 pts(6x7fg, 3x3 3s); E. Barton 11 pts, 6 assts in 25'; S. Mitchell 6 assts. Pdam 17 TVrs to Platts 9
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: BBM on January 25, 2006, 09:34:56 pm
Plattsburgh-Potsdam last night. A truly exceptional game. Both teams played with a tremendous amount of intensity. I was so sorry to see the game decided the way it was: Chris Gibbs-Smith made one of his usual spin moves, shot the ball over a man 6 inches shorter than he, misses shot, whistle blows, foul on the Potsdam guy.  Offensive foul, probably, but please, don't make the call that you did!!! The game should have been decided by overtime, not 2 free throws with 2.2 seconds left. The capacity crowd deserved a little longer night of hoops. Reaction after game: POtsdam fans: "Can you believe that?"  Plattsburgh fans: "we got away with one."
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ILOVEBALL on January 25, 2006, 10:27:46 pm
to BBM.

GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE. POTSDAM HAD A FRESHMAN WHO AVERAGES 4 POINTS A GAME GOES OFF FOR 24. BARTON DOESENT DO ****  ANTHONY WILLIAMS GOES FOR 23 POINTS 7 ASSISTS AND 1 TURNOVER. PLATTSBURGH SHOOTS THE BALL TERRIBLE AND STILL WINS BY TWO. POTSDAM GOES 10 FOR 13 FROM THE THREE POINT LINE AND STILL LOST. POTSDAM GOT BEAT. GIBBS SMITH GOES TO THE HOLE AND SHOOTS OVER TWO OR THREE PEOPLE AND GETS FOULED. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR POTSDAM WHERE WAS YOUR HERO BARTON AT?  EXACTLY NO WHERE GIBBS SMITH GUARDED BARTON  AND HE DIDNT DO MUCH WHY DOESENT BARTON GUARD GIBBS SMITH. GIBB SMITH WENT 4 FOR 5 FROM THE FLOOR AND 4 FOR 5 FROM THE LINE IN THE SECOND HALF WHILE BEING DOUBLE TEAMED EVERY TIME HE TOUCHED THE BALL. IF PLATTSBURGH'S SHOOTERS WOULD HAVE BEEN HOT POTSDAM WOULD HAVE LOST BY 15. SO STOP MAKING EXECUSES. YOU POTSDAM FANS ALWAYS TALK ABOUT BARTON WHY DIDNT HE STEP UP AND SHUT DOWN GIBBS SMITH IN THE SECOND HALF AND DOWN THE STRETCH WHERE HE WORKED POTSDAM OUT. BUT KEEP MAKING EXCUSES ITS THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO. NO ONE ON THAT TEAM WAS ABLE TO HOLD GIBBS SMITH ONE ON ONE AND IF IT WASNT FOR THE DOUBLE TEAMS EVERYTIME HE TOUCHED THE BALL HE WOULD HAVE GAVE DUCENA 30 OR BETTER AND WILLIAMS TORCHED POTSDAMS GUARDS FOR 23 AND 7 AND ANTWON MILLER ALSO PLAYED A SOLID GAME OFF THE BENCH. TAKE AWAY #15 s BIRTHDAY NIGHT AND YOU GUYS ARNET EVEN IN THE GAME.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Maxcy Maniac on January 25, 2006, 11:03:31 pm
Toot your own horn some more...G-S. How many times have you beaten Potsdam in your career? Just keep your mouth shut till you beat Potsdam in the SUNYAC tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ILOVEBALL on January 25, 2006, 11:33:49 pm
OH WOW SO WHAT I JUST BEAT THEM LAST NIGHT THOUGH. AND I AM NOT TOUTIN MY OWN HORN I AM STATING THE FACTS. POINT BLANK IS POTSDAM LOST LAST NIGHT MY ARGUMENT IS OVER AND HERE YOU COME OUT OF NO WHERE BUT SAY WHAT YOU LIKE WE WON LAST NIGHT SO TALK TO YOU LATER  ;) ;D AND TO BBM IF THE SPIN MOVE IS SO USUAL WHY DOESENT PEOPLE LEARN TO STOP IT AND WHY IS HE DOUBLE TEAMED EVERY TIME HE TOUCHES THE BALL. YOU PEOPLE THAT RIGHT ON THIS THING ARE SO FUNNY PROBABLY NEVER PLAYED A SPORT IN YOUR LIFE BUT SO QUICK TO HOP ON THE CLOSET SCHOOL TO YOUR HOUSE. GOOD NIGHT AND HAVE A GREAT NIGHT IN POTSDAM
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ILOVEBALL on January 25, 2006, 11:42:21 pm
AND TO BE HONEST I WOULDNT EVEN WRITE ON THIS PAGE BUT  EVERYTIME SOMEONE WRITES ABOUT PLATTSBURGH THEY ALWAYS SAY SOMETHING NEGATIVE SO I AM GOING TO DEFEND PLATTSBURGH STATE EVERYTIME THERE IS A NEGATIVE COMMENT. IF IT WASNT FOR THAT I WOULDNT EVEN WRITE ON HERE. EVERYTIME PLATTSBURGH NAME IS MENTIONED OR MOST OF THE TIME I SHOULD SAY IT IS SOMETHING NEGATIVE STARTING FROM LAST YEAR
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Maxcy Maniac on January 26, 2006, 12:23:23 am
G-S, YOUR CAPS LOCK IS ON...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 26, 2006, 12:29:50 am
Please don't shout. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on January 26, 2006, 12:55:37 am
Don't you have anything better to do than to come on here and talk smack? I can't imagine your coach would be terribly happy about you posting on a message board about your immense greatness during the season. Is it that boring in Plattsburgh that you have to sit in the dorm room and peck away at the key board with your caps lock on? Most guys would let their play on the basketball court do their talking. So people say bad things about Plattsburgh. It's a message board. A last second win against a Potsdam team that's around the middle of the pack in the conference, nothing to seriously write home about.

And the last person you need to rag on is Edane Barton. By my estimation, he's still the best player in the conference. And...he's been a part of two SUNYAC Championship teams, been to the NCAA tournament twice, and twice, he was the Most Valuable Player of the SUNYAC tournament. Not to mention, he's got the common sense not to come on here and talk trash about others.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: BBM on January 26, 2006, 08:29:24 am
To ILOveBasketball  - Thanks for bashing me regarding my comments about the game and the other things about going back to Potsdam....... I AM a Plattsburgh State grad and I'm telling it the way that I saw it. You did have a very good game, your team shot much better than usual (except for Dumont), and I beg to differ with you on your comment about not being a ballplayer. If you don't know squat about someone, I wouldn't be running my mouth, thank you very much. Please don't make me want to rip up my PSUC Diploma....
P.S. What's the big thing about who is better, you or Edane? Who was better, Bird or Magic? Chamberlain or Russell? To me, let's just sit back and enjoy watching the better players. Is is that important to be the best?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: assassin on January 26, 2006, 10:21:38 am
If their is one thing I have learned from reading the posts on this site over the last few days, it's that Gibbs-Smith won't be winning any 3rd grade spelling bees anytime soon.  Let's review his many spelling errors and give him his corrections for future use, shall we:

1.  EXECUSES-Excuses
2.  ARNET-aren't
3.  WHY DOESENT PEOPLE-Why don't people
4.  Right-Write (wrong usage)
5.  Closet school-Closest school

Just play ball dude!  Your only embarassing yourself on this site and creating the wrong kind of attention for yourself and your team. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on January 26, 2006, 12:59:24 pm
Hey, Gibbs-Smith, name one thing important you've ever won in your life, at any level? I bet you didn't even win YMCA tournaments in Rochester. I'm a fan/alum of an E8 team, but I'm from Rochester and I know for a fact that you've won nothing of any importance EVER . Sure, you get some individual accolades(All-Greater Rochester, SUNYAC, etc), but you're not a winner and you never have been, so shut your mouth.

I'd take Barton's big-game abilities(I'm talking about the SUNYAC tourney, not a middle-of-the-season conference matchup) and the fact he's a winner over your stats any day of the week. Like McGraw said, let your play on the court talk. People like you are the ones who would take Peyton Manning over Tom Brady. I sincerely look forward to your team's premature exit in the SUNYAC tournament. Get some class.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ILOVEBALL on January 26, 2006, 02:16:49 pm
This is my last post the only reason i come on here and write is because everytime plattsburgh is mentioned it is never positive so i speak my mind no disrespect  to anyone and if anyone took offense i am sorry but i get tired of seeing plattsburgh talked about all the time well see how the season pans out and im done !!!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ILOVEBALL on January 26, 2006, 02:22:52 pm
ONCE AGAIN SORRY IF I HAVE MADE ANYONE FEEL DISRESPECTED I JUST GET WORKED UP SOMETIMES BUT TO ASSASSIN MY CUMULATIVE GPA FOR MY FOR YEARS IS A 3.1 AND MY CAPS WERE ON ON PURPOSE BUT I WAS OUT OF LINE AND I APOLOGIZE AND I WILL LEAVE THE DISCUSSION FOR  THE REST OF THE SEASON TO YOU GUYS.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bimbo coles on January 26, 2006, 03:23:00 pm
Once again Gibbs, it would be: My GPA for my *four* (4) years not "for"... What do they teach you up there in the North Country.. Good luck after college...  :-*
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on January 26, 2006, 03:44:29 pm
Once again Gibbs, it would be: My GPA for my *four* (4) years not "for"... What do they teach you up there in the North Country.. Good luck after college... :-*

Should the name of this board be changed to "SUNYAC Grammar School"?  Sheesh.  Take it easy.

And if so, Gibbs should probably point out that a "?" should have followed "North Country".
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: BBM on January 26, 2006, 05:55:38 pm
It's too bad that we've gotten away from bb talk and have gotten all worked up on grammar. Yes, the grammar has been bad, but that's not what we're here for. I hope that Gibbs-Smith has a great career, but I hope that he keeps the game in perspective. Bashing Edane is not the answer. I have met Edane on 1 occassion and I spoke with him for 8 or 9 minutes until he excused himself as he was going to be late for a speaking engagement. I found out that he was speaking to a large group of inter-city (NYC) youths about the positives of staying in school and getting an education. I have heard other stories like that relating to Edane. No, Edane may not be a superstar every night on the court, he won't make the NBA, but with his kindness and his outlook on life he will be remembered and looked upon as a hero to many young people. I guess you would say that he is a true ambassador for SUNYAC and all of college basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 27, 2006, 10:17:58 pm
Cortland 69, Geneseo 57
Brockport 97, New Paltz 79

Potsdam 82, Oneonta 63 as Bears escape 36-32 halftime hole. Pdam  goes 27x41ft to OState 6x9. Ironically, E. Barton exits on fouls after 18'. Goes scoreless in 9' opening half but has seven second period points (7x8ft) and has 7 rebs for game. D. Brown 18 pts(6x9fg, 3x4 3s); B. Siskavich 15 pts(6x9fg); A. Dike off bench for 13 pts, 6 reb in 24'; S. Mitchell 13 pts. OState's S. Coffey 19 pts(6x10fg, 5x6 3s). Oneonta 24x48fg, 9x20 3s. Pdam with 43-24 reb gap; shoots 24x55fg
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 27, 2006, 10:37:34 pm
Oswego 58, Fredonia 54
Plattsburgh 69, SUNYIT 67

Cortland halts Geneseo whose Knights hold 28-26 homecourt halftime lead. Late 10-0 run clinches for Red Dragons. F. Ranieri 17 pts(6x14fg), 10 rebs, 4 assits; R. Headley 15 pts(5x9fg), 6 rebs; S. Skrelja 5 stls, 3 assts. CState minus starting pg E. Nalls for second straight game. Gens' G. Spears 15 pts, 5 rebs; S. McDonnell 19 pts in 27'. Corts 10 TVers to hosts' 19. Cortland 24x56fg, Gen 19x49fg

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 27, 2006, 10:53:19 pm
Oswego also trails at half, 23-21, and quickly down 27-21 before 7-0 run reversal for league leaders. N. Perioli 16 pts, M. Burridge 10 pts, 8 rebs. Freds T. Alassari 19 pts, D. Watkins 12

Bport behind 34-33 prior to taking 49-44 halftime lead. J. Rother goes for 30 pts(11x15fg) in 31', the same court time posted by B. Bellucci in 23 pts(8x16fg), 8 assts, 10 reb performance. K. Amparo has 15 pts(6x11fg); J. Cheves 14 pts(5x7fg); D. Rubertone 10 pts. Eagles shoot 36x60fg, 8x13 3s. NP's J. Hauser 24 pts(10x18fg); J. Sugrue 10 pts; M. Irwin 10 pts, 7 assts. NP 32x63fg and 2x2ft to Eagles 17x22ft and 21 assts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 27, 2006, 11:01:27 pm
Plattsburgh's A. Williams 24 pts (5 3s), 7 rebs; K. Gibbs-Smith 11 pts, 5 rebs. Cards hit first 13x24fg for 45-33 bulge at half. C. Laboard 18 pts, 9 rebs for UT; E. Belone 13 pts; A. gilkes 9 rebs. Tech 47-36 lead off boards, 20-6 offensive
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on January 27, 2006, 11:19:27 pm
Not sure why Nalls hasn't been in the line-up for C-State. He hasn't played to my knowledge since getting elbowed in the nose by Nick Perrioli last Saturday night. Fish, Schaller, Maggiacomo and Skrelja combined to play well running the point against Ithaca on Tuesday. As long as the point guard by committee works, I think Cortland will continue to use it.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 28, 2006, 10:24:22 pm
Cortland 75, Buffalo St. 73
Brockport 77, Oneonta 76
SUNYIT 94, Geneseo 92
New Paltz 68, Fredonia 64
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 28, 2006, 10:45:20 pm
Cortland wins on F. Ranieri jump bank shot at :03. His steal secures it. Dragons pull even with idle Oswego atop conference at 9-1. Buff St. holds lead for majority; at 18-6 prior to CState run into 22-22 knot on J. Miolan `3'. At 36-36 going into final frame. Each side with five point advantages. Corts finally grab lead 72-71 on S. Taggart FTs at 1:50. R. Headley FT at :48 makes it 73-71 and BS's C. Hepburn gets equalizing FG at :04. Enter Ranieri for last of his 11 pts(4x10fg) in 36'. D. Maggiacomo off bench for 24 pts(8x13fg, 5x10 3s) in 29'. Taggart 18 pts(7x10fg), 10 rebs in 28'; Headley 12 pts(4x9fg), 4 assts; S. Skrelja 12 rebs, 4 stls in 29'. Corts 19x25fts to BS 15x23ft. Hepburn with 17 pts(6x12fg); L. McNair 13 pts in 23'; G. Jones 11 pts(5x15fg, 0x6 3s); D. Griggs 10 rebs; D. Mozelle 9 rebs, 7 pts; C. Guiden 11 pts, 4 assts, 3 stls. Cortland 25x66fg, 6x17 3s, 19 TVrs to Bengals' 26x58fg, 17 TVrs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 28, 2006, 11:30:12 pm
Brockport battles back a good deal at OState where Dragons hold 38-36 lead at half and by nine early in second period. Match tied at 4:09 and at 73 at 1:27 when B. Bellucci sinks FT pair. J. Cheves, who led earlier second half comeback, made FTs at 0:05 for 77-73 margin. S. Coffey trey at end. Bellucci 24 pts(8x14fg, 3x4 3s) in 31'; J. Cheves 21 pts(6x17fg, 4x9 3s), 5 rebs; Jon Rother 17 pts; M. Wilkes 5 assts, 3 stls. Eagles 21x29ft to OState's 12x25. Coffey 23 pts (7x9 3s), 5 rebs; J. Murphy 14 pts; M. Reardon 14 pts, 9 assts. OState 10x15 beyond arc

SUNYIT wins in OT and makes 14x28 3s. Geneseo ahead 40-39 at half and led by S. McDonnell 20 pts

NP ends 10 game skid as J. Hauser has 26 pts(6x10 3s), J. Sugrue 15 pts(5x6 3s). Fredonia ahead 39-32 at half. T. alassari 17 pts, D. Watkins 13, T. Anderson 13 and 12 rebs. NP's M. Irwin trey at 5' puts Hawks up for good. Has 8 pts, 4 assts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 31, 2006, 01:01:34 pm
The best shot at No. 1 tourney seed, in other words regular season title holder?
Obviously Cortland and Oswego have a leg up. Both 9-1 and two game lead. And down the stretch they come ........with CState seemingly a schedule edge. Dragons' February slate includes two games with cellar dwelling NP and singles with playoff challenged Geneseo and Fredonia (latter pair on final weekend), and key dates with SUNYIT and Bport (both at home).

Oswego's closing six league dates include road date tonight at rushing Pburgh, home tests with BS, NP and OneSt, and a seemingly deciding final week at Pdam and Bport. Lakers have pretty much relied on starting five, especially Mims, Perioli and Burridge. Thrown in for good measure next week is home game vs. solid Utica College

Cortland uncharacteristically in a bit of a downswing late in the season. Shooting percentages off of late. Of course, rugged defensive play remains, and F. Ranieri is the steady one. S. Taggart came up big last Saturday as did bomber D. Maggiacomo. Also came a huge lift off the bench from heretofore unknown frosh guard J. Miolan (15').

Bport is 6-3 and up against it, though certainly capable. Toughest schedule overall. And Eagles run for home starts tonight at dangerous Buff St., whose postseason hopes are surprisingly iffy. Bport also has Pdam, Pburgh, Geneseo, Oswegos at home, and go to Utica and Cortland.  Real longshot with that slate.

Potsdam at 5-3 starts a 'must' win closing kick tonight in north country against 6-4 Utica Tech. In another week Bears are in Utica. Away games at Bport, Geneseo are slated next weekend. Final four dates are with BS, Fredonia and Oswego at home, and windup at Oneonta.

Also tonight, Fredonia is at Geneseo, and Oneonta has outsider at Ithaca.

In a race for the final three playoff spots at the moment: Pburgh 4-5, Gens 3-5, BS 3-6, Freds 3-7, Oneontas 2-8, NP 2-9

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on January 31, 2006, 05:27:20 pm
Right on the money, jdex.

Cortland with the decided edge in scheduling.

Important games in the north country. Plattsburgh is always a tough venue and it's time for the Cards to put up or, as has been characteristic of last couple of years, crash and burn down the stretch. Oswego has tough road wins v. IT and Cortland and they need this one.

Bears season is on the line this week. IT tonight and away in Rochester this weekend.  I know the bear was hoping Potsdam would hang in close enough in the first half of the season and then ...a light at the end of the tunnel. They have done the first, but you know what the light is. 

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bsc1fan on January 31, 2006, 06:42:18 pm
The best shot at No. 1 tourney seed, in other words regular season title holder?
.....
  ....Eagles run for home starts tonight at dangerous Buff St., whose postseason hopes are surprisingly iffy.


  Yes indeed, ...what's up with this 2nd half Bengal Swoon?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 31, 2006, 10:16:21 pm
Oswego 61, Plattsburgh 38
Brockport 102, Buffalo St. 93
Geneseo 75, Fredonia 54
SUNYIT 83, Potsdam 71
Ithaca 69, Oneonta 64

Buff St. minus ace big man Williams for second semester ....was leading scorer (20 ppg) and rebounder .........
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 31, 2006, 10:32:44 pm
Yeah, yeah ....oops ........that Oswego cruise at Pburgh is a women's final!! Dang! ...Anyone know the men's?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 31, 2006, 10:36:09 pm
Joy in the Burgh ...... Plattsburgh MEN 85-77 over Oswego!!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 31, 2006, 11:26:58 pm
Plattsburgh's K. Gibbs-Smith career best 35 pts and 11 rebs. Goes 11x26fg and 27 pts in opening half when Cards take 47-41 lead over Oswego. Lakers' six game win streak history. M. Dietz 14 pts for Burghers, B. Hatch 14, A. Williams 11. Oswego's A. Mims, M. Burridge, frosh K. Reuter 16 each, T. Franze 11, E. Roberson 10. Cards 31x61fg, Lakers 34x69 up north

Brockport wears down Buffs, who lead by 15 midway into first half, by 52-51 at half and by 11 with 10:43 to go. Bport's J. Rother launches return with dunk at 10', Bellucci follows with '3' and K. Amparo gets aboard charge. Game 85-85 at 4:43 prior to Amparo go ahead hoop. Presto ....Eagles forge 11 point lead at 1:07. Bport 34x60fg, 10x15 3s, 24x37ft; BS 34x68fg, 7x26 3s, 18x28ft. Rother 19 pts(9x14fg) in 34'; Amparo 19 pts (7x8fg); J. Cheves 17 pts(5x7 3s), 5 assts, 0 TVrs. Ex-Bporter C. Hepburn 21 pts(5x9 3s) for BS; G. Jones 16 pts(5x20fg, 1x12 3s), 4 assts, 3 stls in 38'; J. Tirado 13 pts(5x6 3); D. Griggs 11 pts, 10 rebs; L. McNair 10 pts

SUNYIT busts out to 38-31 lead at half and finishes 34x41ft to host Bears' 7x11. C. Reaves 23 pts(13x14ft), 7 reb; C. Plante 14 pts(3x5s); P. Whalen 13 pts(9x9ft); A. Gilkes 11 pts. Pdam 10x20 3s. E. Barton 17 pts(6x14fg, 2x2 3s), 10 reb, 3 assts, 4pf in 29'; D. Brown 15 pts(3x5s). Utica 42-35 reb margin

Geneseo's S. McDonnell nine 3s set Knights' record. Finishes with 28 pts (9x12fg -- all 3s) in 23'. Breaks mark of all-time SUNYAC best Scott Fitch in early 90s (Fitch coached McDonnell at Fairport). Gens and Freds 25-25 till home team breaks to 44-28 halftime lead. McDonnell 6x7 first half. Gens 28x51fg. T. Anderson paces Freds with 20 pts(7x10fg, 4x4 3s); C. Donahue 10 pts; A. Smith 9 pts, 9 rebs

Oneonta always has Ithaca in sight -- never more than 9 back. IC 36-33 at half. OState has brief 49-48 edge at 9:20. S. Coffey 18 pts(5x12 3s) in 27'; M. Reardon 12 pts; J. Murphy 10 pts, 5pf in 21'. J. Bellis 23 pts; Andruskiewicz 22 pts, 16 reb for IC

Jdex on the move, folks. Probably no computer access for February, just the sun of FLA. Will scramble to stay abreast .......Go TSpan & CState!!

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on January 31, 2006, 11:54:22 pm
Props to the Cards. Career game for Gibbs-Smith torching the Lakers for 35 and 11 rebs.

It's 11:30 pm and it would be nice to see a box score...somewhere...anywhere.

Bears beaten at home. Next year will schedule all home games in Vermont, New Jersey, and the US Virgin islands  to avoid CNY z-crews. For the past several years, the best place to play Potsdam has been at home. Famous for getting "homed" at home.

Amazing stats of the game: (1) Potsdam converts 5 more FG and 5 more 3's and still losses by 12.  (2) 11 more PFs blown against Potsdam yields 30 additional FTs for IT.

Cortland will sleep well tonight...no one else in SUNYAC playing D.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: docksider on February 01, 2006, 01:06:52 am
Say it aint so, jdex.  It's been great to have your posts from the sunbelt. I'll  second your closing thoughts for span and the c-state crew.

dock
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: BBM on February 01, 2006, 09:40:54 am
Yes, SUNYIT did get to the f.t. line 30 more times than Potsdam. They were aggresive and they did take the ball to the hole hard. What got me was that Coach Murphy was up "chatting" with the refs ALL game. I know because I sat right behind him. Coach Dobbs had a seat, I don't know how much he left it as I wasn't seated behind him, but once when he got up to question a call he was given a "T". I thought that at least one of the other officials was going to step in and say something as the official who blew the 2 calls was screened out and did not get a good look at the play. Then again, why should I think that the officials would do something right???
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 02, 2006, 08:40:23 pm
Big weekend for the home teams:

Friday

Brockport outscores Potsdam; neither play D
Oswego over anyone (Buff State) at home; can't beat their z's
Fredonia past Oneonta; Ah, what a year it coulda' been...
Geneseo, pushing for 4th, gets by G-Smith. Oh, right, Plattsburg.
Cortland slows down IT and gets win (if they get a friendly crew). Else, the Wildcats pull off the upset and the squeeze on 1-4 in the conference begins

Saturday...More of the same for the home boys.

Plattsburg and Potsdam in must win games at Brockport and Geneseo. Doesn't happen.

Visiting friends in Rochester this weekend and checking out Brockport both Friday and Saturday. He predicts Brockport runs the table, Cortland and Oswego lose twice, all three finish 13-3. Hmmm, if Eagles can average 180 per game...

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on February 03, 2006, 01:08:50 pm
Absolutely no way bport runs the table. They have a tough schedule down the stretch and they are way to thin. There starting 5 is as good as most anyone but they just dont have any depth. Im not sure if cheves can even play tonight or not, there was a scuffle at the end of the buff st game and he got tossed out. Its to bad they dont have there whole team because the really could have done some serious damage with williams, harris and mandalano. To make these kids sit the whole year for a small infraction makes me sick, someone over there needs to wake up. Kids make mistakes and this punishment did not fit the crime.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thumbsup on February 03, 2006, 02:02:33 pm
new to the sunyac board.  Only one take here.  I was at the P-dam, Utica game.  Poorly officiated both ways.  Awful "T".  That being said, every night it seems I watch a poorly officiated game.  Some nights they let em play, some nights your in the one and one 8 minutes in.  I have never felt referees cost people games, but they need some new blood.  these guys are plain awful and don't work out there.  They even look bad at times.  Nothing against Utica-tech, they should have won the game, led wire to wire.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 03, 2006, 11:03:32 pm
Just got back from Brockport/Potsdam.
What a mess. As expected, neither played D. Only surprise was that the z-crew at this fiasco reminded me once again that incompetence is relative.

Props to Plattsburg. 40 min for G-Smith. Looking forward to Saturday afternoon at B'port.

What happened in Oswego?

C'state..steady as she goes.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on February 04, 2006, 12:02:57 pm
bearseh you are correct those zebras were pretty bad last night. I am a bport fan and will admit potsdam got the raw deal on some calls down the stretch. Not having cheves also hurt the port, i believe he will be back tonight. I look at this game as a must win for bport because there schedule down the stretch is tough at cort, at suny it, oswego, and geneseo. They were kind of in the same position last year a nd blew there chance to host a game in the tourney by losing there last couple of games. If they win tonight to go to9-3 they could afford to go 2-2 down the stretch and 11-5 will definitely get you a home game especially having the tie breaker against pots and platts. Lose tonight though and all bets are off and even going 1-3 down the stretch wouldnt surprise me. Sunyacs are so competitive this year, if the season were to end today cortland would draw buff st first round. BRUTAL!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 05, 2006, 01:53:22 am
Friday and Saturday SUNYAC basketball…what a prelude to Superbowl Sunday. On Friday, the 4 games pitting the 8 top teams against each other were decided by a total of 23 points Saturday, 9 total points was the difference in 2 games with 4 of the top 8.

Friday, it took a 30 point effort from Brockport's Ben Belluci to eclipse Potsdam's Ernst Ducena's 23 point night (8-15, 5-9 from 3, and 2-2 FTs). The Eagles needed an incredible 28-32 shooting from the line (87.5%)  to get the win, 93-86, in a game where they were outshot from the floor (30-29) and from 3 (12-7).

Saturday, Brockport 86 – Plattsburg 84. Both big guns,  Belluci 26, Gibbs-Smith, firing bullets. Belluci leading both teams with 8 assits. Gibbs-Smith battling for 8 boards. Belluci  giving Brockport 35 minutes, only exceeded by Cards Gibbs-Smith 39. The final difference? Eagles with one more 3 (12-11) than the Cards and one more FT (16-15).

Intended to follow-up Friday in Brockport with the Cards on Saturday – but saw enough offense Friday. Expected more of the same on Saturday and, apparently, there was.

Traveled to Geneseo, instead, to see the Knights for the first time this season in what turned out to be yet another in a string of tension-packed, OT thrillers with Potsdam. Last year Potsdam clinched the regular season championship with an OT win at home against the Knights, and 2 years ago Edane Barton first emerged as a Bears force when he hit the winner in OT at Geneseo.

Ernst Ducena sent this Saturday's game into OT, 65-65, with a twisting, high-arching, 15' fade-away jumper that hit nothing but the bottom of the net as the horn sounded ending regulation. Ducena led the Bears with 25 on a torrid (7-11, 5-7, 6-6) for a combined 15-26, 10-16 from 3, 8-8 FT weekend.

The real fun had begun. Freshman Brandon Siskavitch had been ineffective at the 5, but Tim Reinhardt gave the Bears 18 solid minutes, 7 rebs, and 4 pts before fouling out late in regulation and leaving Sherry Dobbs with a dilemma. Who to play in the post down the stretch with the game on the line? Dobbs creatively assigned that task to the  6'3" Barton. Barton took serious care of business in the Bears 78-71 OT win. Everything going to the hole, Barton stuffed, stole, deflected, or rebounded. It was, well, an amazing defensive performance with a game-high 13 boards and solid 20 pt effort. 

Jehrod Hall played a crucial supporting with 23 minutes, 10 pts, and 7 rebounds keeping the Bears (6-5) in 5th, a half game ahead of the Cards (6-6) in the loss column and only 1 game behind 4th place SUNYIT (7- 4).

Brockport climbs into a 2nd place tie with Oswego (both 9-3). Cortland (11-1) cruising at the moment – but others are  coming. Sounds like a typical SUNYAC stretch run.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 06, 2006, 04:11:34 pm
Here's a stab at the final standings.

2 obvious issues: 1) Clearly I have too much time on my hands and 2) only the bear can resolve how tiebreakers impact the final standings if this delusion works out.

Cortland (15-1): Wins out against Brockport, NP, Geneseo, Fredonia. Tough game for Brockport. At Cortland on Saturday after Friday at SUNYIT.

Oswego (12-4): Wins over NP, Oneonta, @Potsdam (Will win from the line). Lose @ Brockport.

Brockport  (12-4): Win @ SUNYIT. Lose @ Cortland.. Beat Geneseo and Oswego @ home.

SUNYIT (10-6): Beat Potsdam @ home after tough road trips for both. Lose to Brockport. Beat Fredonia and Buff State on the road.

Plattsburg: (10-6): Win out v. Fredonia, Buff State, NP, Oneonta.

Potsdam (9-7): Wins v. Bengals, Fredonia, Oneonta. Lose to IT and Oswego. 

Buff State: (Either 6-10 or 8-6) I have no clue what's up with the Bengals. I haven't seen them this year and am guessing they'll handle Geneseo even though the Knights destroyed them last time out. Potsdam, Plattsburg, IT? These are all a toss up but Bengals are 1-3 in their last 4 games decided by 3 pts or less. Somebody brighter than me needds to pick these.

Geneseo (6-10)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 07, 2006, 04:41:59 pm
bearseh & anyone else who cares. 

Pretty much agree with your picks, a few key games will decide much barring upsets. 

Cortland just about a lock for one seed, will see Geneseo in the first round.  Buff State most likely doomed to a seven seed, and a road game at Brockport or Oswego,  everyone else too close to call, but key games as I see them:


Tonight

Potsdam at SUNYIT.  The winner in great shape for a 4 seed, the loser is probably road fodder.

2/10

Brockport at SUNYIT.  Must win for both teams, a Brockport win gives them a shot at the two seed, SUNYIT win keeps alive their hopes for a home game.

2/11
Brockport at Cortland

Tough road weekend for the Eagles, who have the class player in the league in Ben Bellucci.  Don't think the Eagle's D is enough to stop Cortland at Home
A double dip on this trip and the Eagles are no longer flying high & would have to win out for a home game.

2/14

Oswego at Potsdam

Are the Bears freshmen game tested & ready to play like sophomores?  This game is regionally televised on Time Warner Cable of Central NY.  CNY reputations will be at stake, can someone please assign some competent refs?  bearseh - any suggestions?  Jim Burr/Din Cahill/Rich Paparo like the old days?

2/18
Oswego at Brockport, winner is the 2 seed, probably faces Buff State, loser is the 3 seed unless 'port lost two earlier contests then with Plattsburgh, SUNYIT, Potsdam in the 4-5-6 mix.

Lurking in the weeds

Plattsburgh W6 L6, Home this weekend vs. Fredonia and Buff State, away the last weekend vs. bottom dwellers Oneonta/New Paltz, easiest schedule of the contenders, Cards could back into a 4 seed if Potsdam or SUNYIT falters in any way.

Tie breakers beyond head to head are record against each seed.  Oswego's win over Cortland gives them trump card in any tie breakers unless someone else beats the Red Dragons in the next two weeks.

Tie breakers in the Brockport, SUNYIT, Potsdam, Plattsburgh mix get messy.  real probability all of these teams could wind up 9-7 or 10-6.

Conference sort of muted this year.  Cortland has a gaudy record, but no sense they're in any shape to roar through the first three rounds.  Dragons should be a lock for an at-large in the expanded field, and will probably host 1st round if SUNYAC champs. 

If SUNYAC tourney is an upset like two years ago, suspect champ will be fodder for a top seed, e.g. NYU, Fisher, or Hamilton, although we saw what happened at Amherst last year, Fisher wouldn't like that matchup.

Helps get through the dog days of winter in the North Country.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 07, 2006, 09:50:35 pm
Me again

bearseh a bit off tonight

Potsdam 85 SUNYIT 52 (@ SUNYIT) not a misprint

Edane Barton with 28, 19 in 2nd Half. Damon Brown had 14.  IT's C. Reaves held to 4 points after 23 last week.

Potsdam led by 16 at the half and extended.

45 point turnaround from a week ago, where they lost 83-71 at Potsdam to the Wildcats.

Question for the rest of SUNYAC, (& East Region) will the Potsdam team that showed up tonight be there for the next 4 games and SUNYAC's.  similar pattern to two years ago when the Bears went on a late season run into the second round of the NCAA's at Wooster.  Stay tuned.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 08, 2006, 12:21:31 am
Just back fro Utica. A bit off? Blew this pick by 30+.

IT came out in a zone and Bears picked it apart inside and outside. It went man and dane Barton went wild. Potsdam up 16 at the half and only a 4 point swing in the final 20 sec. kept lead under 20. Bears scored first 5 to start second half and game over. Murphy understandably frustrated with IT's total collapse. Conceded with 8:30 to go when he pulled everyone.

Dave Besesi was spilnted and carried off the floor after bad spill on drive with 5:30 remaining. Tarnsported to hospital post-game.

Biggest news, excluding IT collapse, was Bears hustle and team defense. Bears have won 2 out of 3 road games within 5 days. Tim Rhinehardt played well in the post and Jehrod Hall was solid both ways in significant minutes.  Ernst Ducena a rock as usual and Damon Brown played a bit stickier defense. Mitchell ran the offense nicely.

Bench was into the game and that helps.

IT should be a great venue...intimate, well lit. Nice team and still only a few students show.

Oswego defends SUNYAC with a solid win over Utica.

Looks like it's just the two of us bear...so I'll forget posting and see you Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: BBM on February 08, 2006, 07:49:30 pm
Potsdam can certainly play with anyone in the conference. By the sounds of last night's game at SUNYIT, it looks like the team that played last year (senior led and senior deep). Before games last year, the team would huddle together and get pumped up and play some unbelievable defense. For the games that I have seen this year, the team shows up. Maybe the freshmen are realizing what it takes to win day in and day out. If so, watch out as the Bears will be coming at you 12-13 deep....
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FranElia on February 09, 2006, 11:38:21 am
To Bearseh and The Bear,

Even though you're the only two posting most of the time right now (at least until JDex returns), please don't stop. Many of us who don't post normally still enjoy reading about what's happening in the league. In my case (as the SID at Cortland), I only see the other teams when they play at our place, or in Utica, so I find it interesting to read about the "beyond the box score" details about other games from people at those games.

Thanks, and keep up the good work.

Fran Elia
Cortland

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 09, 2006, 08:51:28 pm
This is Buff States weekend to travel to the north country and the stakes for the Bengals couldn't be bigger. If the Bengals lose both legs of a tough trek then the door is open for Geneseo to bump them out of the tournament. If the Bengals come up big with 2 wins they have a shot at he 4 seed. Huge scheduling advantage for Plattsburg. Bengals must get by Potsdam on Friday and then face a 4 pm start in Plattsburg on Saturday.

Brockport comes east for a big road series as well. The Eagles should handle SUNYIT Friday. Potsdam left them in pieces Tuesday night and the Wildcats need David Copperfield to put them back together.

Best game of the weekend should be Brockport at Cortland. Two solid teams with very different styles. If Cortland fans don't pack the house for this one, then drop the phys. ed. major because these kids don't know athletics. I haven't seen a full house in the Dragons den in years and this team deserves support.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 09, 2006, 11:21:55 pm
Fran Elia

Thanks for the moral support.  We'll do the best we can, although you know between the two of us there will be a certain amount of grousing about incompetent members of the CNY striped shirt profession.

Bearseh

Took my weekly look at the insides of a chicken, and IMHO the SUNYAC regular season race shakes out as follows:

Cortland - mortal lock for #1 barring collapse. 

2 - winner of Brockport Oswego game.  Right down to the wire.

3. Loser of Brockport Oswego game, both own a tiebreaker over Potsdam.

4. Potsdam if they win out.  Big obstacle there is Oswego, a Potsdam nemesis of the last few years at J. Welsh on Tuesday, before a regional TV audience.

5.  Plattsburgh is most likely here, favorable schedule for the Cards.  While they won a close one at Memorial Hall, they got walloped at Jerry Welsh in December.

6 SUNYIT, barring a complete collapse.  Need one win to solidfy - with Fredonia on the menu - probably doable.

7. Buff State.  Bengals have seven losses and Potsdam, Plattsburgh, SUNYIT on the schedule.  7-9 is probably most likely scenario.

8. Geneseo - 4-8 - but two home games against cellar dwellers this weekend will probably secure the last spot.

9-11 Fredonia, Oneonta, New Paltz, too many games on the road & against better teams.  Fredonia still not mathematically eliminated, but a lineup of 500 mile bus trip, @Plattsburgh, @ Potsdam, 400 mile bus trip, with snow predicted will most likely take care of that.  People don't realize how far it is from Fredonia to Plattsburgh!!!

Final homestand vs. SUNYIT & Cortland spells 0-4 finish unless Span takes pity on the Devils and gives his reserves serious PT.  With an lock at-large bid and hosting in the mix, he won't jeopardize his current #1 East ranking with any sort of gesture like that.

ergo: Tuesday the 20th looks like:

Geneseo at Cortland
Buff State at Brockport (predicted score 120-110, NBA has nothing on these clubs when it comes to going up and down the hardwood)
SUNYIT @ Oswego
Plattsburgh at Potsdam

all reasonable mid-week road trips for the visitors.

Time will tell.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 10, 2006, 11:53:23 am
Hey all, been on the board awhile just to lazy to post....

bearseh...i know its no excuse as this team should have a lot of support but to understand it a little better think of the culture of cortland......jock school so you have a lot of athletes....say track hockey and other sports are away......100-150 sports oriented kids not even on campus ,.,......and its a party school so now your games are at 8 on fri/sat..........not saying its right just explaining.......

as far as the team.....i love the depth and versitility........but with that there is no go to player......brockport down 1 or 2 with 10 seconds to go you know ben has the ball....same with oswwego and mims.....yes we have rainieri and he hit a big 3 last year to win a game as well as the buff state win this year...but hes a "big man" and your go to player is usually a guard.........just something to think about......
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: docksider on February 10, 2006, 10:59:39 pm
Brockport 62 at SUNYIT 82 
Buffalo State 81 at Potsdam 97 
Fredonia 52 at Plattsburgh 76 
Oneonta 69 at Geneseo 78 
New Paltz 52 at Oswego 76

Those are the results.  Any eyewitness accounts?   

The margins, more than the outcomes, would seem the news of the night.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: docksider on February 10, 2006, 11:13:02 pm
IT has 5 players with double figures and wins both halves.  Statistically, turnovers and rebounding explain the margin of victory.  Combined, they give IT 23 more shots.

And from the Bears' website....
"The Bears led in every offensive category in the game, shooting an impressive 51.6% from the field to the Bengals 45.9%. Every Potsdam player that played scored in the game as the Bears were led by the game high scorer Edane Barton (Spring Valley/Colgate University) who dropped 20 of his 26 points in the first half. Scott Mitchell (Brushton/North Country CC) added 17 points and went 4 for 5 from behind the arc. Jehrod Hall (Syracuse/North Country CC) had 11 points and 7 rebounds in the win.

The Bengals had 4 players in double digits with Dion Mozelle (Rego Park/Xaverian) leading the way with 20 points and Jobany Tirado (Syracuse/Corcoran) added 17 points and 11 rebounds in the loss."

Just fillin' in until thebear and beaseh get home or jdex finds an internet hookup.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 11, 2006, 10:19:12 pm
Big win for c-state.........very good crowd for those who were calling for it.........
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Maxcy Maniac on February 13, 2006, 12:11:07 pm
Time Warner Sports is televising Tuesday’s game between the Oswego Lakers and Potsdam Bears live from Jerry Welsh Gymnasium.  You would never know by checking the Potsdam website  ???, but trust me its on TV, it is regional though only nothern NY will get it.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 13, 2006, 08:03:14 pm
I think it will be live in Syracuse too. I saw an ad for it the other day on Time Warner Sports during another college game. I remember last year TWS did a Potsdam-SLU men's game from Welsh Gym. Plus, Potsdam vs. Geneseo ice hockey was on just a few short weeks ago.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 14, 2006, 05:03:25 pm
No more predictions from this poster, at least not until I get some of those chickens thebear has been using.

Looking for BuffState to finally step up last Friday and they play the worst first half of ball imaginable. Talk about thinking long, thinking wrong. They started 3 big guards v. Potsdam in attempt to take advantage of the Bear's 5'7'' guard Scott Mitchell. The first two times they posted Mitchell up, he stole the ball and ignited fast breaks. Adding insult to injury, he canned two open threes in the first 5 minutes with a big guard playing off him to protect against the dribble. By the time Buff went to its usual lineup the Bears were up 10 and rolling. All that kept this thing from looking worse were 20 Bears second half turnovers.

Then, they wacked my "Plattsburg wins out" call by beating the Cards at home on Saturday. I dont even want to discusss Brockport at SUNYIT. Tuesday night the Wildcats were in shambles, Murphy grousing about everything. He even complained that too much time was allowed to remove an injured player from the floor (splinted and transported to the ER).  But, he to, must use chickens in his coaching magic to conjure a win 3 days later.

Good to hear C'State drew a decent crowd Saturday . Every Dragons game is a clinic in disciplined, half court, team ball played by a veteran squad.  Reminds me of Brockport 03-04. Experienced team , rolled through the regular season.  They did, however, lose to Potsdam by 8 in the championship game. Bears shot 51% from the field, 53% from the arc, 73% from the line, and were +4 on the boards. That's the kind of effort it's going to take for anyone to handle the C'Spanners in this year's tourney.

Any takers?






Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 14, 2006, 09:48:06 pm
Potsdam putting the proverbial smackdown on Oswego live on Time Warner Sports. Potsdam leads by 18 late.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 14, 2006, 11:04:41 pm
Just back from the Potsdam - Oswego game.  Bears asserted themselves at home against SUNYAC's #2 team, winning 82-68 in a game that was not as close as the final margin.

Potsdam All-American candidate Edane Barton exploded for 20 second half points en route to a career high 29 point outburst, his fifth straight 20 point effort.  In addition Barton added 12 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 steals and blocked a shot.  He shot only 12x21, but examination of game film (televised regionally on Time-Warner Central NY) will most likely show that most of the misses were obvious fouls not called because the refs wanted to get the game over with.

Barton has had 3 double doubles in Potsdam's 5 game win streak, and is making a strong case for SUNYAC POY honors to go with his pair of Tournament MVP trophies.

Potsdam freshman center Brandon Siskavich had a breakout game, scoring 18 points on 9x11 shooting against Oswego's Mat Burridge, who is a virtual lock for an All-SUNYAC selection.  Oh yes - Siskavich only played 19 minutes due to first half foul trouble.  Siskavich is a fine shooter in the lane and low post, and is developing into a real asset for Potsdam.

Oswego got 15 from Ahmad Mims, but he was completely overshadowed by Barton.  Burridge had 14, and slasher wing Todd Franze added 12.

Potsdam outrebounded Oswego 42-30.  Neither team shot the three well, Potsdam 5x14, Oswego 4x21.  With about 4 minutes left, Oswego was 0-15 from the arc, then hit four of six in late action to trim a 24 point Potsdam lead with about 9 minutes left to the final margin of 14.

Props to Potsdam guard Ernst Ducena.  He completely shackled Oswego PG Nick Perioli, holding him to 5 points, 2 assists in 38 minutes of action.  Ducena's length really hampered Perioli's game, and he got few open looks from outside, going 2x8 overall and 0-5 beyond the arc, it also affected his ability to run the Oswego offense. Ducena struggled with his 3 pt shot, but still added 7 key points.

Potsdam also got a solid relief effort from backup post Tim Reinhardt who added 6 points and a steal, as well as a solid defensive effort on Burridge.

Potsdam will clinch at least a four seed with a win Friday night at conference cellar dweller Oneonta.  Oswego and Brockport meet Saturday night in the conference regular season finale.  The winner will be the two seed.  If Oswego loses, they are the three seed, and Potsdam the four based on a three way tie-breaker.  If Brockport loses, Potsdam moves to a three seed and the Eagles and SUNYIT (if they win over Fredonia and Buff St.) will have to apply tie-breakers to figure out the 4-5 scenario.  (I should have that figured out by tomorrow).

Bears' season is shaping up like '03-04 where a late stretch run led to an upset SUNYAC title, followed by a first-round NCAA tourney victory on the road.  Bears are taking their season one game at a time, which is the right way to do it.

Will post Brockport/SUNYIT tiebreaker scenario tomorrow.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: retired12 on February 14, 2006, 11:14:46 pm
Watch out Cortland. Potsdam is really starting to mature at the right time. They are going to be a tough out for anyone in the conference tourney.........Also any thoughts on POY? Could there be a possible Barton & Belluci split?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on February 15, 2006, 07:54:22 am
Last night I went to Cortland/ New Paltz game.  I live in the Hudson Valley(Potsdam Alum).  I wanted to see if Cortland was really that good 21-2.  Cortland was up 16 at half because New Paltz went cold from the field last 4:00 minutes.  Cortland also shot over 50% for the first half.  Should have been closer.  Second half was different, New Paltz out scored Cortland to win half only losing by 12.  If New Paltz had a big man to stop Taggart and a premier game it would've been an exciting finish.  New Paltz hit very few 3"s. New Paltz had the game down to 6 at one point but could not get closer.  Bonus: Skrelja fouled out with 11:30 left because of a T.  He got mad at the foul call and ran at the ref.  Foul 4 and 5.  Bear thanks for the run down on Potsdam/Oswego game.  Looks like the SUNYAC tournament will be interesting.  Their was a post about how Cortland doesn't have a go to person.  I have to agree.  They are a solid team will no superstars.

The team that beats Cortland  will have to have a solid post player and not allow offensive rebounds.  I believe that they will not win the SUNYAC tournament for the above reason.  My prediction a Potsdam/Brockport final in Utica with Potsdam once again going to the tournament because Edane Barton will be the next Potsdam All-American.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 15, 2006, 11:39:19 am
Clearly only 2 candidates for POY: B'ports Ben Bellucci and Potsdam's Edane Barton.

Here's a current league stat comparison:

                                            Barton                            Bellucci

Scoring                                    2nd                                 1st
Rebounding                             1st                                  13th
Off Reb                                    2nd                                  6th
Def Reb                                    1st                             Not in top 15
FG %                                       .512                                  .512
FT %                                        .71                                     .81
3 %                                    Not in top 15 (40%)              3rd (51.6%)
Assists                                     3.1 / gm                             4.0 / gm
Steals                                  3rd                     Not in top 15

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 15, 2006, 12:20:35 pm
Gotta' learn how to type...



                                            Barton                         Bellucci

Minutes Played                      28/gm                        32/gm
Assist/TO Ratio                        11                               10


Plenty of  ammo to make a case for either of these outstanding players.

The bottom line...there are 8 or 9 SUNYAC teams that are worth a drive to see when matched against each other; but Barton is the only indvidual player in the league who will get me to drive to Potsdam and back on a Tuesday night (5 hours drive time) to see the game live when it's  televised locally. You really need to see Barton to believe him.  In any given game he's likely to play any or every position on the floor from the point to the post - at 6'3" and maybe 185 lbs. No one can match up with him 1 on 1. He has explosive quickness, huge ups, and amazing strength for his size. And, as I've said before, even his turnovers are headscratchingly special. Top this off with a huge GPA, a consistenlt positive sportsman's attitiude on and off the court and you've got the student athlete of the year, most versitle player of the year, POY.


Serious props to several other team MVPs:

Lakers Nick Perioli. Individual stats have not been eye-catching except 37 min / game. Huge. Lakers can't play without him n the floor.

Cortland's Frank Raineri. Every set runs through him and he defines the character of the Dragons.




Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 15, 2006, 01:52:26 pm
On the POY debate........I don't see any Dragon away games.....from what I saw Cortland had a home and home with Brockport but only played Potsdam once(unless I missed something).........So i only saw Ben once and never saw Barton....except for the 30 seconds I watched last night flipping through channels...so here are the two's numbers against Cortland

Ben @ Cortland 4-13... 13 points...3 asst....4 boards....5 fouls....4 turnovers
       @ Brockport 8-20...20points...3 asst....10 boards....1 foul.....8 turnovers

Barton @ Potsdam 6-15 ....16 points...2 asst....13 boards....2 fouls....6 turnovers..

Ben went for 30 against potsdam while Barton had 10 and was in foul trouble......


Like my boy says.....its easy to score 30 against NP...so numbers arent the best indicator.....i can remember the brockport game in which i went home thinking ben had 6-10 points....it was a very quiet 13..as far as who scares me more it is barton first aginst cortland (earlier post noted team needs to keep dragons off offensive boards) then mims....and maybe even rother before Ben because of his history.....should be a good SUNYAC tourney.......

and for bearseh......a busfull of rowdy cortland students may or may not be traveling to Utica....create a better environment for our boys
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 15, 2006, 02:31:40 pm
cstate19:

Fill up the bus. The Utica Aud needs noise. Last year the Aud "crowd" for the chanpionship was one of the smallest that Potsdam played in front of all year, and you've got to be able to handle playing in front of a large crowd to win in the NCAAs.

I like the on campus atmosphere in the Empire 8 tourney - hot, noisy, venues. Sure, somebody gets a home court advantage. So it goes. Would love to see SUNYAC rotate the tourney among the schools. Just some great facilities - Buff State, Oswego, Cortland, Oneonta, Potsdam, SUNYIT...and more. Would rather be crammed in than choose from a couple thousand empty seats.

Two years ago in the tourney Penn State-Behrend packed 900 people into 800 seats and the atmosphere was electric. Last year the Potsdam crowd raised the roof in the second round game v. Salem State.

The Aud will never provide the level of excitement that the conference tourney deserves.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Maxcy Maniac on February 15, 2006, 03:52:11 pm
Pictures from Potsdam's games vs. Buff state, Fredonia (senior night), and Oswego
www2.potsdam.edu/schild96
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 15, 2006, 05:01:13 pm
bearseh:

i completely agree.......my friends and i have debated this for the last couple of games this season........the only good point if opposition was traveling isssues (say a lower seed wins on friday they have to travel to the higher seed on saturday).....i debated that point by having the entire tournament at the top seeds place.......why not??? they have earned it....
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 15, 2006, 05:17:58 pm
I think a former SUNYAC head coach with two national titles, Five trips to the final four, and nine elite 8's (Who could that be. . . hint - Potsdam's Gym is named for him) has been telling Damore (SUNYAC Commish) that since the first time the games were in the aud. 

Apparently the problem is the SUNYAC staff is too small to cover two venues on tournament weekend, and gender equity rules insist that the women's regular season champ must have the same hosting opportunity as the men's so unless the same school wins both regular season titles, the women's tournament would have to be at a different site.  Having a "neutral" facility and a combined championship meets the gender equity rules.  Those rules are specific and on every athletic administrator's mind.

I remember when Potsdam, Albany, and Buff State had SUNYAC playoff wars in the 80's  Sites were rotated East to West in alternating years. 

in '84-85, Potsdam finished second in the country to North Park (lost by a pt.) but LOST the SUNYAC semi to Buff State at Albany.  Potsdam, (27-3) at the time, then had to go on the road in the NCAA regionals, where they beat Buffalo State.  In those days, the gyms were packed over an hour before tipoff, 3,000 + screaming fans, miles of toilet papers and thousand's of computer punch confetti.  THAT was playoff atmosphere.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 15, 2006, 05:36:08 pm
POY Update

Actually Barton is shooting 48% from three in SUNYAC games, just doesn't have enough made 3FG's to meet the standard.

In a scary thought, he is the FOURTH option of the starters for shooting the trey.

Freshman Damon Brown (23x42 .548)
PG Scott Mitchell (25x49 .510)
Senior Wing Ernst Ducena (39x85 .459 - lifetime 45% 3 pt shooter)

Bears are shooting .455 from the arc in conference games.  Ranked #3 nationally in 3pt FG%.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 15, 2006, 05:44:37 pm
I dont by the small staff stuff.........what happens in every other SUNYAC sport (i believe)??????  baseball....soccer...track.....list goes on and on.........get it changed....this isnt the ACC or Big East.....whats the difference between 1 through 4 seeds.......you get 1 home game each!!! in a conference where the top 4 teams all have a shot, why not give the teams that work the hardest during the regular season alittle advantage.....get it changed....
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 15, 2006, 06:45:23 pm
Agreed.

A great team wins at home and on the road.  If the 1 seed hosts, some advantage, but if the contending teams are good enough, it just adds some spice.  Important thing is to make sure that the visitors get a reasonable amount of seating.

Of course, Potsdam has a corner on that market, they won their '80-81 national title in overtime on the home court of their opponent.  Don't think that's been done since.


Peace
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 15, 2006, 08:59:53 pm
An offensive year in SUNYAC. Here's how they stack up in league play: PF/PA

Points For:

Brockport
Buff State
Potsdam
Oswego
SUNYIT
Geneseo
Cortland
Plattsburg
New Paltz
Oneonta
Fredonia

All top 8 make the tournement.

Points Against:

Cortland
Fredonia
Plattsburg
Oswego
Oneonta
Potsdam
Geneseo
SUNYIT
New Paltz
Brockport
Buff State

2 of top 8 don't make tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Nick bigmorton on February 15, 2006, 09:15:34 pm
Player of the year or not, I got a pair of Red Dragons I watched the other night that are running away with it.  In other words... It's a Two Dragon race.   Frank Ranieri and Simon Skrelja are the senior leaders and co-captains of a team that hasn't really been challenged aside from a fluke loss to Oswego.  These guys do it all.  Skrelja with the fly-overs, and Ranieri with the bi-ceps.  Wins and losses people.  These guys are winners.  I even saw them helping old women across the street after the Brockport win.  Admirable human beings that belong at the top of the voting for SUNYAC POY.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 15, 2006, 11:25:21 pm
Agreed Ranieri and Skrelja are a big part of Cortland's success, but similar to last year, when Potsdam wins both regular season and tournament titles, POY didn't go to the Bears.

Potsdam has 4 All-SUNYAC selection, but Zera of Geneseo wins POY.  admittedly leading scorer, but his team was middle of the pack.

Unselfish teams often win the league title, but SUNYAC tends to reward scorers. 

IMHO, Taggart is the reason Cortland is 15-1 this year.  So far, no one in the conference has an answer for him.  He's the only major add to last year's team, and plugs the one hole in C-State's armor, a legitimate force in the paint.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on February 15, 2006, 11:54:45 pm
 I have to agree about Taggart for Cortland.  Very physical player similar to Hauben for Uof R.  Last year in elite 8 game Potsdam couldn't stop Hauben.  If any team wants to win SUNYAC title they have to stop Targgart in the paint.  Cortland isn't a perimeter team.  Thay don't score a lot of points but will shut you down with tough D.  That being said I still believe they can be beat because they don't have a go to guy late in a close game on a neutral court. 

 Back in the day there wasn't anything like a good Potsdam vs Albany vs Buff State game at Maxcy.  A keg or 2 before the game and 3000+ fans going crazy.  When was the last time a SUNYAC team sold out their home court.  I look at the attendence on line and most school can't get more then 500 fans to watch their games.  Maybe this is why the game is played in Utica because the alumni can go to the games because of location.  Students would rather play PS2 then go watch some great D3hoops.   I will be driving 2 hours each way to watch Potsdam friday.  The new gym at Oneonta holds 4000 I believe they will have maybe 300 and most of them will be Potsdam loyal fans.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 16, 2006, 12:13:32 am
Nick -

Ask the Dragons if they've been "really challenged" this year.
Two wins over a Brockport team that doesn't play defense by a total of 3 points.
2 point win over Buff State - who, by the way, typically plays less D than Brockport.
Which of those were "fluke" wins?
Plus 6 over a fair SUNYIT team - a real blowout by these standards.
Meeting both Oswego and Potsdam only once...is a big scheduling plus.

What I've enjoyed most about C'State this year is that they have been challenged and have met those challenges with disciplined, team ball. No POY here but, possibly, the SUNYAC team of the year. We'll see in about 10 days.

Re: Simon - I know he's a C'State favorite son, but, really...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 16, 2006, 12:35:36 am
Who goes to the Aud?

Player's parents, relatives, friends, neighbors, girl friend or boyfriend; a handful of students from each participating school willing to burn class and who have a place to crash in Utica - or don't mind the 5 - 6 hour round trip to Brockport, Potsdam, Plattsburg; a handful of each participating school's local fans (typically retired so time off isn't an issue); half a dozen of the CNY (Syracuse) basketball cognescenti for face time; a few Utica locals. That's it. Alumni? More like alumnus.

The Aud will be empty and colorless once again for what should be the flag ship event of the basketball season.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on February 16, 2006, 06:25:11 am
Beareh You either go to Potsdam or went to Potsdam.  When was the last time Maxcy/Jerry Welsh had a huge crowd for a regular season SUNYAC game?  How many people went to see the Cortland game this year?  I live 6 hours from Potsdam, I watch more Potsdam games then the students that attend school there.  There was once a time when the Potsdam/Cortland would've had a crowd of over 3000 for a regular season game not 500.  Cortland is a jock school and only had a crowd of 900 for a huge game vs Brockport.  Most student who now attend school in the SUNY sysytem do not attend their home schools game look at the numbers.  I believe if any school were to host the conference tournment there would not be a sell out game.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bimbo coles on February 16, 2006, 06:56:43 am
no Mims for POY?? just a consideration..
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 16, 2006, 07:58:47 am
If you were at Potsdam the other night, you would probably say no.

He may not be the best player on his own team, Burridge is a solid force in the middle, with skilled post moves.  In addition, Mims plays with Perioli, without Nick, I'm not sure Mims would be as good as he is.

Barton really dominated Mims, Mims nearly fouled out, and was switched to guard another player, he just couldn't guard Barton in the paint.

Barton 29 pts 12 rebounds (6 O 6 D) 5 assists, 1 block, 4 steals 32 minutes

Mims 15 pts, 4 rebounds (3 O 1 D), 3 blocks, 2 steals 30 minutes.

Oswego is a good team with 3 likely all-SUNYAC players.  That being said, they may actually be underachieving this year.  As a team they are shooting poorly from the arc, which allows teams to pack it in on them.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 16, 2006, 10:09:45 am
the bear fans go crazy with posts while i am away from my computer.....

my thoughts....

1)simon is an extremely valuable player to cortland....tonesetter....energy off the bench...extreme matchup problem at the 1....senior leader....etc.....POY???? not top 10.....how many MVP votes does teddy bruschi get a year????

2) taggart is the reason cortland is 15-1.......any big man with size and who can walk straigh goes higher then the SUNYAC....thats why he is such a problem.......the best part about him is he gets most of his points by way of offensive rebounds......

3) cortland is not a perimeter team????? who said that???? have you seen them play?? the ball is always on the perimeter waiting to get into jutton (not his best year but a very clutch player look for a big postseason play or two from him) or maggicamo's hands..... not a perimeter team.....wow

4) the fan attendanc (particularly the student body) is pathetic.......i think i gave some reasons in an earlier post.......the idea of having the entire tournament of the final four at the #1 seeds place is not to sell out or get a better environment so much as it is to reward them for being the #1 seed......as it stands now there is no advantage of being a #1 any more then a #4......#1 doenst have to travel, and plays on their court......
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 16, 2006, 11:48:20 am
Cstate19 - no disrespect here.

I think what bearseh means is that Cortland has a couple of shooters, but relies on Ranieri, Skrelja, and Taggart, not to meantion Headley (unsung hero) for a pretty good hunk of their scoring.  Skrelja and Taggart might make a three if they get lucky, Ranieri can shoot it, but he's only made 3x10 in the conference this season, not someone you would focus on.

Maggiacomo is a great spark off the bench, and can shoot the rock. 

If you look at Potsdam, their PG, Wings, and PF are all three point shooters you have to respect - Damon Brown (23x42 .548)  , Scott Mitchell (25x49 .510), Ernst Ducena (39x85 .459), Edane Barton (11x23 .478).  In addition, the center, Brandon Siskavich has very good range for a 6'7" post. 

The point is that with Cortland you have two guys, three at most that can shoot the three.  With Potsdam, everyone except the post is a legitimate 3 point threat, if you challenge them on the perimeter it opens up the inside, and Brown and Barton are very quick athletic players who love to take it to the rack.

Brown & Mitchell are new to the lineup since Cortland played Potsdam, and they change the Bears' game from what the Dragons saw earlier.

Potsdam shooting 3 pt @ .455 for 15 SUNYAC games, while holding opponents to .296 beyond the arc.  When you talk perimeter team, that's what Bearseh means.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 16, 2006, 11:49:43 am
Bearnation:

At the tender age of 61, not currently enrolled! An Oswego alumnus, class of '66.
Got hooked on SUNYAC basketball watching Ron Davis at Oswego when I was a kid and Bears basketball in the 80's for obvious reasons.

You're correct. SUNYAC students do not typically support their athletic teams with strong attendance. Lots of reasons I am sure we agree on, including too little time and so many choices. Additionally, I do believe the institutions and conference do an abysmal job promoting and marketing their sports within both their academic and larger communities and that is a significant, contributing factor to low attendance. Be glad to discuss this at length off-line - but staging the tourney at the Aud is an example.

I agree that a campus based tournamnet will not sell out - without promotion over time. But dollars to donuts, go to the 1 seed campus, or Jamesville-DeWitt high school, and it will immediately and significantly out draw the Aud. More importantly, traditions are built over time. The tradition that's been built at the Aud? It's more fun to IM, watch ESPN, or get a root canal.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: KING on February 16, 2006, 11:58:23 am
Not really sure who started the converstation about the #1 seed hosting all of the game that would have usually been played in the aud.  but i love the idea!  Cortland has the best floor/gym in the conference behind only o-state.  The lack of #'s in the seats i don't believe would be an issue in the playoffs as they can be in the reg. season here at cortland.  i used to play at randolph-macon and even as the #1 team in the country, we would have games with more empty seats than full.  Come playoff time and NCAA tourney.... we had students and adults camping outside of the area waiting for tickets.  The same could hold true here at cortland, and worst case... it would be better than playing in the 60* aud where its too cold to even work up a sweat.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 16, 2006, 11:59:59 am
Did I ever suggest Cortland was or was not a perimeter team?  

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Nick bigmorton on February 16, 2006, 12:31:23 pm
Belucci is the POY

He leads the conference in scoring by like 6 ppg.

He shoots a high percentage from everywhere.

Most importantly he has done a lot of damage from the PG position from Brockport, the most important position on the floor.

He manages to score and do all the little things while running a solid SUNYAC squad

**Before we count Ranieri's Bi-ceps out of the hunt it should be said that he is playing without the little toe on his left food (zoo visit gone wrong).  A man that can persevere like that deserves POY consideration.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Nick bigmorton on February 16, 2006, 12:36:18 pm
One more factor....When Barton and Belucci went head-to head:

Belucci                     Barton
30 pts                      10pts

Brockport win.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 16, 2006, 02:40:12 pm
That game was at Brockport, where, as documented on this board (By a brockport fan), the zebras were not having their best night.  A bunch of Bellucci's points came from the line late in the game, as Potsdam had to foul to try to get closer.

Barton played only 16 minutes before fouling out courtesy of said incompetent zebras.  My guess is that had he been able to play his normal complement of 27-30 minutes, the game would have been much closer.
With the unbalanced schedule, Ben won't get to experience the reverse treatment in the North Country.

Since that Potsdam - Brockport Game, since the coaches are voting now, these are the games that will be remembered Played since that day.

          Barton                Bellucci
Record  5-0                    2-2
Pts          24.6               18.3
Rebs       10.6                 4.5
Ast          3.0                   3.5
Blk           0.4                    --
Stl           2.2                     .7
2 FG %   56%                   50%
3 FG       7                        10
3 FG %   50%                   45%
FT %      64%                    80%

Since the Brockport game, Barton has been called for 5 fouls in five games.

Bellucci had five against Cortland, where they forced him to play defense.



 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Nick bigmorton on February 16, 2006, 03:48:59 pm
I dont really know what the last 5 games really matter.  All i was saying is that, head-to-head Ben was 20 points better.  Referees are often incompetent and the good players adjust.  Im not sure the award is for the SUNYAC Player of  5-random games in the middle of the season.  The award is for an entire year.   Barton is like 4th in scoring in the SUNYAC.  Although scoring doesn't tell everything it is often the most important criterion when deciding individual basketball awards.  Ben has scored and made his teammates for an entire season.  That is a player of the year.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 16, 2006, 04:46:31 pm
There is a stat system called Tendex, that uses all aspects of a game to eveluate a player's performance.  As of Tuesday night, the tendex shows Barton with 523 points in 675 minutes.  Bellucci has 518 points in 796 minutes.

Barton leads Bellucci by a bunch in rebounding, Asts to Turnovers, Blocked Shots and Steals, which offsets Bellucci's edge in scoring.

Then, this system, calculates pts/minute played, which gives Barton a big advantage, and also factors in the pace at which the team plays.  Since 'port plays no defense and a run & gun style, they get a lot more scoring opportunities.  Also, since Barton is the top defensive rebounder in the conference you can bet he doesn't get the cheapie fast break release points that Bellucci seems to always be around for.  Coaches understand that.

It should be a very close call.  P.S. the "down the stretch" games are what everyone remembers.  That's why five (not so) random games are important.  Murphy and Broderick are going to freshly remember the game Barton played against them, as are Ansari, Moore, and Minton.

What they aren't going to remember too kindly is Bellucci staying in the game after the outcome was decided to fatten up his scoring stats.  That's not what a POY is.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 16, 2006, 05:53:57 pm
Whew!

Mess with thebear and get torched with the facts.

By the ways, thanks for the Taggart reminder. Sometimes I'll forget the mantra: Defensive, Rebounding, Convert at the Line.

Taggart delivers the second object in a "big" way.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Nick bigmorton on February 16, 2006, 07:01:40 pm
I dont really know what this valtrax stat is, but it sounds too complicated.  If you look at efficiency ratings in the NBA you will rarely find that the top guy in the ratings is actually the leagues most valuable player.  So personally, I don't really take those too seriously.  I think you make good points and barton would be a good candidate, but I think the entire year Belucci has had as far as doing everything for Brockport statistically, and being there when they need a PG makes him edge out Skrelja and Ranieri...Oh yeah, and Barton. 

One stat  I do know.  Cortland 21-2 SUNYAC REG. Season champs. 

Ready to do some steamrolling in the tourney
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on February 16, 2006, 08:25:12 pm
To answer the question of why the SUNYAC plays its conference tournament at the AUD in Utica, find the contract between the SUNYAC and the city of Utica.  You will then find the answer.$$$$$$"S

The SUNYAC gets no love, top team(Cortland) is 21-2 and only 15 votes on the top 25.  Maybe the league should come up with a promotion.  Just visited Potsdam web site anyone with a Potsdam id or a proof of residence for Potsdam gets into the game free Tuesday night.  If Jerry Welsh/Maxcy isn't full they should give back all of the trophies. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 16, 2006, 09:39:06 pm
bearnation - not quite so fast.

The problem is the school is on a "mini break' this weekend, with no school Monday and Tueday.

Many Potsdam students won't get back to campus until the game is over, as Mom will expect to feed them before they leave for Potsdam.

Hence the promotion, to try to drum up community interest etc.  Since we will be a few students short on Tuesday night.

Bearseh - Facts are great, unfortunately some people don't like the facts, when opinion serves their purposes better.  Speaking of facts, I thought Valtrax  was a drug they advertise on cable to be used to treat a certain viral social disease.

The tendex system I was describing is similar to the one used for college bb by CBS Sports line,

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/playerrankings/regularseason/OVERALL

the 1-2-3 in that ranking as far as player effectiveness are JJ Reddick, Shelden Williams, and Adam Morrison.  That tells me there's a pretty good correlation between productive players and successful teams.

If you look at Barton's stats and Shelden Williams' stats they're eerily similar
although Barton gets his points and rebounds in less time than Williams.

As a certain DA (& wife of a former Bear coache) bearseh, bearnation and I know would say, I rest my case.

"Just the Facts, Ma'am, Just the Facts" __ Sgt. Joe Friday


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Maxcy Maniac on February 16, 2006, 09:47:31 pm
and the Crowd goes wild for theBear!!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Nick bigmorton on February 16, 2006, 11:06:21 pm
Eeeeeeeasy pandas,

Lets not compare apples and oranges.  Edane Barton does not go through the rigors of an ACC schedule every year.  While Cortland is a juggernaut, they are certainly not North Carolina or Maryland.  I like your Tendex thing, and I used the word Valtrax knowingly to emphasize what little I knew about your system.  You bears fans are like a couple of grizzlies tumbling through a dumpster.  Anyway, I am valuing the stats as well as opinion.  I think every coach that has a vote will weigh their personal opinion for POY.  I just think the year Bellucci is having can't be argued against.  Head-to-head 30 pts to 10 pts for Barton.  And if you want to bring in garbage points, Barton scored several "meaningless" buckets when the game was decided against Cortland. 
Lets not mention that he got dunked on by Si "fly-high puddin'-pie, in your eye, make you wanna cry" Skrelja.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on February 16, 2006, 11:34:01 pm
Bear,  I have faith that the good students of SUNY Potsdam will leave that last meatball on the platter, start their engine to drive north to support their team.
The good folks of the north country truely know the hand that feeds them and will be there to support the Bears digging through the dumpster for a meal of there SUNYAC opponent.  Then it is off to Utica because like it or not this is the chosen path.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 17, 2006, 07:16:26 am
On a more serious note, tonight has a slate of four SUNYAC games.

Matchups and their tournament implications

Potsdam (10-5) at Oneonta (2-12)

Potsdam win and they clinch at least a 4 seed and a home game.  Oneonta
is playing for pride.  Coming off Tuesday's emotional win at Oswego. Dobbs will keep his players focused on the business at hand - one game at a time.
Oneonta coming off a 37 point loss at Oswego last Saturday will be playing hard to regain some respect.

Geneseo (6-9) at Cortland (13-1)
Probable preview of SUNYAC 1-8 first round game.  Cortland playing to maintain their #1 regional seed with central location and exclellent facility probable hosting site for the first three NCAA rounds.  A win for Geneseo would cement the 8 seed. At least the coaches won't have to spend a lot of time scouting and watching film for Tuesday's game.

SUNYIT (8-6) at Fredonia (4-10)
SUNYIT still alive for a four seed.  Has to keep winning to retain the 5 seed as Plattsburgh has a much easier schedule for the weekend.  Fredonia's deliberate style may frustrate the "run & gun" Wildcats.  Fredonia's much more competitive at home with upset wins vs. Brockport and Plattsburgh.

Plattsburgh (7-7) at New Paltz (2-13)
Plattsburgh pretty much a lock for a 6 seed, but looking at a 5 if they win out and IT loses one this weekend.  New Paltz playing for pride on senior night.

Based on the outcome of these four, will update tomorrow's games in the AM.

Pretty ugly weather forecast here, Potsdam to Oneonta, Plattsburgh to New paltz, IT to Fredonia, Geneseo to Cortland all may be rough trips today. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Bilk on February 17, 2006, 10:21:10 am
Is there a forum that discusses SUNYAC sports not found on D3sports.com?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: BBM on February 17, 2006, 12:38:13 pm
Nick: I'm a bit confused about a statement of yours'. You stated that Barton got some cheap baskets at the end of the Cortland game when the game was already decided. I was at that game and if my memory serves me right, I remember it being a tied game with 5 minutes to go. Yes, Cortland won by 9, but they had to scratch and dig for that win. They do have a very good team. As far assaying that Bellucci had 30 and BArton 10 when they played head-to-head, that comparison can't be made as they did not guard one another. They both deserve POY, but maybe the next 2-4 games will give one of them the edge. Remember: Barton was Playoff MVP for the past 2 years, I guess that cream truly rises to the top.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Maxcy Maniac on February 17, 2006, 02:08:22 pm
Just got word that 81 south is closed, what happens if the Potsdam/Oneonta game is not played? ???
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 17, 2006, 02:52:31 pm
I understand, from the college's web site, that the game for tonight has been ppd due to weather.  (No safe way to travel through 200 + miles of mountain roads that lay between here and Oneonta.)

The web site also tells me the game has been rescheduled for Sunday, women play at 1PM, men at 3PM.

Because of the log jam at the 2,3,4,5,6 seeds, the men's game has playoff implications over just about every scenario imaginable.  The women's game has playoff implications as the Oneonta women need the win to secure a home playoff game.

Typical SUNYAC down to the wire finish, ppd 1 day.



Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 17, 2006, 06:45:09 pm
Cortland and Geneseo are playing tonight at 8pm

http://www.bcmonsters.com
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 17, 2006, 07:07:22 pm
a flurry of posts.........gotta love postseason time
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 17, 2006, 08:41:24 pm
Geneseo 39 Cortland 29  HALF

Awful first half effort by the Red Dragons.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 17, 2006, 09:17:45 pm
wow........so happy right now i chose not to go to tonights game.....yuck......reason why im not upset cstate isnt getting votes
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 17, 2006, 09:29:02 pm
Geneseo has size, and plenty of it.  They are the one team that has the horses to keep a big body on Taggart.  Spears, Howe, & Sciera are all big fellas, who are custom built for a deliberate half court game.

If McDonnell is shooting well, and Kitson is the conference ROY we saw last year, this can be a dangerous team.  Kling is a talented first year from a storied HS program, and by this time in the year, is really a veteran.  Morton is another freshman with talent.  Geneseo desn't match up well with an athletic team with race-horse talent, but they can field a nice team.

Hopefully Cortland will still get to host a first round NCAA game with three losses, but the committee has done sillier things in the past.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 17, 2006, 10:03:44 pm
Geneseo 76 Cortland 70

SUNYIT 87 Fredonia 68 - IT comes back from a 9pt. halftime deficit to outscore Devils 51-23 (ouch!) in the second half.  T.Anderson (Fredonia) 31pt effort wasted in the loss.

Plattsburgh NP game delayed to 9:30 due to a highway closure en route. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on February 17, 2006, 10:19:53 pm
Just got back from Oneonta.  Left early to visit Baseball Hall of Fame with my son.  If you haven't been since the remodel, go it is great. Very disappointed about game being cancelled,  bottom line the school made correct call. Safety first.

Just did quick look at Cortland/Geneseo  Box score:  I wasn't there just going by numbers.  Taggart 10 points in 23 minutes, Skrelia 4/28, Ranieri 14/36 and finally Maggiacome 20/23.  When I made the post about Cortland not being a perimeter team, What I was saying was that their offensive is not designed to use perimeter shooting as the first option.  They look to score in the paint first.  This didn't happen tonight and they lost.  Yes, Maggiacome can shoot and yes he did shoot and because they had to shoot from behind the arc they lost.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on February 17, 2006, 10:27:54 pm
Geneseo is legit. They played Fisher very tough in the Chase for the first 25 minutes before going ice cold. That'd be an interesting matchup if those two had to meet again in the 1st round of SUNYAC's. What does this loss do for Cortland's at-large chances if they don't win the conference tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Finished For Now on February 17, 2006, 10:42:42 pm
Plattsburgh - New Paltz score anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 18, 2006, 12:27:26 am
Plattsburgh 113 New Paltz 58
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 18, 2006, 01:56:33 am
bottom line......its a good wake up call......gotta see them again next weekend......im actually happy.....you can bet that CState will be fired up next time around......plus my loud mouth will be there....
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on February 18, 2006, 06:37:36 am
I tip my hat to Plattsburgh.  I'm not sure why game was delayed until 9:30PM (most likely great amounts of snow in the Adirondacks) against New Paltz.  As a team they shot 67.2%, 13 players scored, 4 had double digits another had 9.  Team was lead by Gribbs-Smith with 22.  Geat job.  Whatever they did to get ready for this game should become their standard because it worked.

We are down to the final days of the regular season and the outcome of who is playing where is still in question.  Except for the first seed, the rest are up for grabs.  This is what makes the SUNYAC a premier league.  Balance and excitement.  They may not get their due respect from the outside but they play very exciting basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 18, 2006, 07:50:08 am
Plattsburgh game was delayed because the Northway was closed north of Glens Falls due to a bad accident.  At one time yesterday, all four major North South routes out of Northern NY were closed due to accidents/downed trees and power lines.  We had sustained 40-50 mile winds, and gusts up to hurricane force.  Very little snow, but the central Adirondacks got pounded.

Props to Curle & Co, often untoward delays can mess with visitor's psyche.

Just visited the local clutch of chickens and as far as I can tell this is the scoop on today's SUNYAC lineup.

Afternoon game

SUNYIT (9-6) at Buffalo State (7-8)

SUNYIT still has a chance at the four seed, but needs help.  Must win for the Wildcats.  If the Bengals lose, they drop to the 8 seed and have to play at Cortland.  I'm sure they would rather win, stay as a 7 seed, and not draw Cortland in the first round.  Teams pretty evenly matched, very athletic, not much defense will be played, but should be fun to watch.  Last game for Buff State's Greg Jones, Jobany Tirado, and Lester McNair.  Senior night cames can have unexpected outcomes.

Early Evening game:

Plattsburgh (8-7) @ Oneonta (2-12)

Tip moved to 6:00 due to Plattsburgh's late start last night.
Plattsburgh must win to stay at 7 losses.  If IT loses to Buff State, and Plattsburgh wins this, Cards own the tiebreaker and will have the 5 seed.

Oneonta playing for pride, coming off pounding at Oswego.  Cards have too much size and athleticism for undersized Dragons, who have been decimated by injuries to post players.

Late Game

Oswego(11-4) at Brockport (10-5)

The main event.  Probably the single most significant game played in the conference this year.  (Cortland's lead was too big when Oswego beat them)

Oswego win gives them the 2 seed and Brockport drops.  How far, 3,4,5 depends on the outcome of the SUNYIT and Potsdam games. 

Yes an Eagle loss and Potsdam/SUNYIT wins, and the Eagles are on the road. (IT Holds tiebreaker with win over Oswego).  Eagles in a must-win for a home game.

Brockport win ties them with Oswego, (and Potsdam if they win at Oneonta).  While Oswego wins head to head tie-breaker with Brockport because of Oswego win over Cortland, Brockport wins a three-way tie breaker due to higher win % among the three teams.

Senior night for Brockport star Ben Bellucci, playing against HS teammate Ahmad Mims, also 'port seniors Kenny Amparo and Jerry Cheves.

Call this one the battle of the snowbelt.  Drive from Oswego to Brockport in winter one of the scariest in the world.

Tomorrow 3PM

Potsdam (10-5) at Oneonta.(2-12 + Saturday's game)

Options will become very clear once Saturday's games are played.  Potsdam still has a shot at a 3 seed. 



Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 18, 2006, 11:29:01 am
Mims played a heck of a game against former C-NS teammate Ranieri at Cortland in their only regular season meeting this year. Mims is a solid athlete with a great wingspan and jumping ability. Hard to believe Mims, Belluci and Ranieri all come from that same program. I wonder how good they were when all three of those guys were seniors?

As for thoughts on the Geneseo-Cortland game last night. Geneseo came in with their game plan and they executed it to perfection. Much like the game plan of Oswego, it focused on a very deliberate offense and tough defense. Though in Cortland's defense, it's hard to keep it close when your opponent's shooting 72% in the first half. Geneseo found that out the hard way on Tuesday against 'Port when BRK shot 77% in the 2nd half in a blow out win. Cortland defense wasn't as good as usual. They let Geneseo get a lot of open looks created by dribble penetration. Their big guys played well too but weren't overwhelming. Taggert spent most of the game in foul trouble. He picked up a ticky tack foul for his fourth midway through the 2nd and sat just about the rest of the night.

Cortland offense looked sluggish. 44% in the first half from the floor but not on very good shot selection. The Knights played good perimeter defense and didn't allow Jutton and Maggiacomo very good looks. Headley also had a very pedestrian night with only four points. When Headley's scoring and grabbing offensive boards, the team is doing well. Lots of credit for Geneseo goes to Joe Kling. He does look like Shaggy from Scooby Doo, but he plays a solid game. He forced a lot of the action at Cortland with dribble penetration and just out working the Dragons. Kitson pretty much disappeared and had a quiet night. Morton played a solid game but needs to stop whining to the refs. Every call against him was contested.

If anything for Cortland it was a wake up call. They can't just show up and mow teams over. That's a given but its always nice to have the point reinforced. I think it hurts their Pool C chances if they don't win the SUNYAC. On paper, its a loss to a sub .500 team at home late in the season. If anything, I'm sure the Dragons would like another shot at Geneseo on Tuesday, but they may very well see Buffalo State. On a side note, the officiating last night was just downright brutal. I don't like to rag on the refs a lot, but some of the calls and non-calls last night were absolutely ridiculous. At one point, Jutton loses the ball and it bounces off his face out of bounds and the sideline official says Cortland ball. He quickly changed it once he realized what he did. One can hope that only the best officials in the conference are at the Aud next weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 18, 2006, 12:32:21 pm
thats what ive been asking for the last two years???? mims rainieri and ben couldnt get their team to glens falls?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 18, 2006, 09:30:12 pm
Scores in so far

Now 10-6 SUNYIT defeats Buff State (now 7-9) 91-83 dropping Bengals to an 8 seed, and an all-expenses paid trip to Pete's Palace on Tuesday.  As predicted lots of scoring, little defense played.

SUNYIT axiously awaiting result of Oswego @ Brockport, as 'port loss and Potsdam win on Sunday could move Wildcats to a 4 seed, and send the Eagles to Utica as the visitors.

In an upset of epic proportions, 2-12 Oneonta beats Plattsburgh, knocking the Cards to a 6 seed. Plattsburgh has a Jekyll & Hyde Weekend, winning by 53 last night vs a 2-13 team, then losing tonite 74-63 to the now 3-12 Dragons!!

Sean Coffey on Senior Day lights up for 25 including 6x11 beyond the arc, and Jaysen Murphy & Josh Wysocki each add 14.

Plattsburgh ace Kris Gibbs-Smith has 16 in the loss on 5x13 shooting with 5 turnovers.

11-4 Oswego leads 10-5 Brockport 60-43 @ Tuttle North with 7:14 to go in the second half.  Oswego win locks the two seed, Brockport is a 3 or 5
depending on Potsdam game tomorrow.

SUNYIT owns tie breaker over Brockport in the event of a two-way tie, as they split, both lost twice to Cortland, but SUNYIT has a win over Oswego vs. two losses for Eagles.

If Potsdam wins, they are the three, SUNYIT is the four, and Brockport is the five.

If Potsdam doesn't win (shudder) - don't want to think about it.  Won't be thinkin negative tonite.




Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 18, 2006, 09:50:08 pm
Final Score

Oswego St (12-4) defeats host Brockport St. (10-6) 73-53.  Ahmad Mims has a huge game with 27pts 12rebs, to lay claim to POY consideration.
Brockport star Ben Bellucci, on senior night held to 15 pts, three rebounds.

Oswego clinches the two seed and will host Geneseo on Tuesday.

Brockport currently tied with SUNYIT at 10-6.  SUNYIT owns two team tie-breaker over Brockport.

Potsdam 10-5 plays at Oneonta 3-12 tomorrow at three.  Potsdam win gives them the three seed.  Oneonta clearly dangerous after today's thrashing of Plattsburgh

Three seed will host Plattsburgh

Four five will be remainder of Potsdam, Brockport, SUNYIT cluster.

Typical SUNYAC - regular season supposed to be over tonite, and need to wait until SUNDAY for a decision.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: owen on February 19, 2006, 07:51:22 am
Going to see Potsdam at Oneonta with my two sons this afternoon. It's about 3 1/2 hours from us (we're near NYC) but haven't seen Potsdam play since I graduated in 1982... so it's about time.

Big thank you to all who post regularly and keep those of us mired in downstate office-life clued in as to what is going on at our old schools. The local papers here often don't carry division 3 scores, much less stories.

PS - re attendance at games - As I remember, even in 80-81, 81-82, when Potsdam was a D-III power, Maxcy was basically empty for games the first semester. You'd go and have maybe 100 people and a couple thousand empty spaces. Actually, it was kind of relaxing! It didn't get crowded and crazy until February, and even then it was mainly kids on campus that went. VERY few locals.  That's just the North Country. It's always going to be Clarkson hockey that gets the love no matter how badly they perform.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 19, 2006, 08:42:46 am
Owen - safe travels.

You bring back fond memories of times past, used to take my two (now grown) the three hours through the mountains from Glens Falls to Potsdam (in the winter) for games.  They always got a kick out of "Uncle Jerry".

GO BEARS  - Potsdam has a home game if they win, so I'm sure Dobbs' will have them up for the game.

Be interested in your thoughts after the game.

(I'm stuck here, a 5 hour ride through the mountains with lake effect warnings in the Tug Hill, has wifey nervious).

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: manofgor24 on February 19, 2006, 05:19:16 pm
I believe when belucci, raneiri, and mims were seniors, they lost to Watertown in the sectionals.  Good team, but Gorman and co. were too much.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 19, 2006, 05:41:18 pm
SUNYAC and Potsdam websites have a final

Oneonta 71 Potsdam 69.

 :( >:(

Will wait for the SUNY commish to post seeds, as there's a messy (unbalanced schedule) three way tie at 3-4-5.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 19, 2006, 06:58:00 pm
Class AA (or whatever it was then) is always the hardest to get to Glens Falls, because teams have lots of talent. And when you get to the regional level after Section III, you may run into even better teams from the Albany area. Teams need to get the right seeding in the tournament and everything has to fall your favor. Many teams don't even get to Glens Falls. The biggest example I can think of is from my junior year. Elton Brand was the New York State Player of the Year his senior year at Peekskill. His team was upset I believe in the regional playoffs. He was at the Civic Center, but just to receive his award. I think Ranieri, Mims and Belluci (for two years anyways) have had stellar college careers. Hopefully one of the three will be finishing off their college ball in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 19, 2006, 06:59:25 pm
Potsdam website showing that Potsdam playing at SUNYIT on Tuesday in a first round game.

Oneonta game was very even throughout.  Teams were tied at the half 31-31.  Potsdam led 63-61 with two minutes left.  Oneonta's Sean Coffey took a three.  Referee called a foul on Potsdam co-capt Ernst Ducena.  Ducena, who's very steady, was called for a technical.  Coffey makes 5x5 from the FT line, giving Oneonta a 66-63 lead.  Remainder of the game was a FT shooting contest.  Potsdam ace Edane Barton had 13 points 14 rebounds despite only playing 26 minutes due to foul trouble.  Coffey had game high 16 points with 10x11 FT shooting.  Potsdam's three freshman regulars combined for 3x20 FG's.

One call makes the difference between a three seed and a home game, and a 5 seed and a road game.  Who says ref's can't make a difference.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 19, 2006, 07:04:52 pm
From the SUNYAC website....

Men’s Tournament
Quarterfinals – Tuesday, Feb. 21 (On Campuses)
#8 Buffalo State (7-9) at #1 Cortland (14-2) at 8 p.m.
#7 Geneseo (7-9) at #2 Oswego (12-4) at 8 p.m.
#6 Plattsburgh (8-8) at #3 Brockport (10-6) at 7 p.m.
#5 Potsdam (10-6) at #4 SUNYIT (10-6) at 7 p.m.

Semifinals – Friday, Feb. 24 (Utica Memorial Auditorium)
Winner of #6/#3 vs. Winner of #7/#2 – 1:00 p.m.
Winner of #5/#4 vs. Winner of #8/#1 – 3:00 p.m.

Finals – Saturday, Feb. 25 (Utica Memorial Auditorium)
Semifinal Winners – 1:00 p.m.
(winner receives automatic NCAA bid)

No mention of the tiebreaker that was used to determine the seedings in the Brockport-Potsdam-SUNYIT three way mess.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 19, 2006, 07:05:16 pm
Regarding C-NS & Glens Falls.  I lived there for 25 years, have many friends involved with the tournament.

Problem is three D-III studs may not be enough when going up against Albany area, LI and Hudson Valley teams.  Mt. Vernon often has 2 or 3 D-I prospects, usually including a high D-I recruit. LI schools often have at least 1 ACC recruit.  Downstate schools often have players that can't get into college (or JUCO at best) but are great players.

Advantage is there are great games played, particularly at the A and AA levels.

While living there, I got to see Sam Perkins, Chris Mullin, Christian Laettner Dorsey Levens all play in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 19, 2006, 07:11:23 pm
As I understand it the tiebreaker was win % among the three teams.

Brockport beat Potsdam at Brockport in their only meeting
Potsdam and SUNYIT split - each winning at the other's place.
Brockport and SUNYIT split

so

Brockport 2-1
SUNYIT 2-2
Potsdam 1-3.

Not a great system when a road loss that you don't get to avenge at home drops you from a 3 to a 5 seed.

Alternative is to play double round robin, which with number of sub-par teams this year would probably still result in ties, but limits non-conference play.  When SUNYAC played 20 game schedule, even good teams would have 5 or 6 conference losses, which crippled chances for at large bids.

Just win Baby!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on February 19, 2006, 07:33:50 pm
Back in the 90's I worked in Peeksill and I believe when Peekskill won the class B state title in 1996 Elton Brand was on that team. I may be wrong because as one gets older the memory gets bad.  I believe he was either a junior or senior when they won.  Peekskill has one of the better programs in the Hudson Valley.  Much like Lourdes in girls hoops. 
While on the subject of high school hoops.  I have relatives in Chateaugay which is why I chose to go to Potsdam plus fell in love with Maxcy Hall.   Any true jock would fall in love with Maxcy Hall.  Looking to see where they are playing their sectional games, Section X is playing just about all their sectional games at SUNY Potsdam.  Down here in the Hudson Valley Section IX plays the semis and finals of all classes at SUNY New Platz. Most games are next weekend which would cause a conflict.  Maybe this is why games are played at AUD in Utica?  Do other sections play tournament games at SUNY schools?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 19, 2006, 07:38:29 pm
Hmm, that's a pretty good list of players.  I missed Elton Brand by a year. He was a senior in 96-97. The 1995-96 team won the Federation title. Peekskill beat St. Dom's in a classic. The same St. Dom's team (still now coached by Rob Pavinelli) went back to Fed's in 96-97 and broke my heart, beating Westhill in the Class B Fed Title game. Westhill went back to the Falls in 97-98, but lost to a scrappy Westhampton Beach team in the NYPHSAA title game.

Just two or three years later, Brand (I can't remember how long Brand was at Duke),  was in the NBA. The only name player I can remember seeing was from Long Island Lutheran during the Federation Championships in 96-97. A 6'6" senior on his way to St. John's. He wasn't running into the crowd or sponsoring rap albums. The listing in the program (which I still have) is Ronald Artest, Grade 12.

Reading the program, I come across a familiar name, but not one I knew at the time. Christ the King is usually one of the best women's teams in the state. And on the 1996-97 CTK team, 11th grader Sue Bird. Jeez, that makes me the same age as her.

Indiana had their come one, come all state tournament, and other places jam pack areans for basketball. But I'll take the Final Four at the Glens Falls Civic Center any day. It's a little small, and slightly chilly because it serves as a hockey rink, but there's no other atmosphere like it.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on February 19, 2006, 07:56:00 pm
You think you might be adding Paul Harris to that list of pros you were proud to see at Glens Falls?  I watched his Niagara Falls team take apart Nottingham in last year's A semi-final.  He really was a man among boys out there.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 19, 2006, 08:01:51 pm
I had that exact discussion one day with the former supt of schools in Glens Falls, who as it happens is a member, along with his father, (a lengendary coach) of the Indiana basketball Hall of Fame.  He says as great as Glens Falls is, it isn't anything like the Indiana state championships.

He was playing for his dad at the time Milan Ind won the game immortalized in Hoosiers. 

Still, Glens Falls is a great venue.  & This year they have the new indoor waterpark at the Great Escape, so the wife & kiddies can go an not have to go to the games.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on February 19, 2006, 08:34:51 pm
Doing some on line research to jog my memory.
Peekskill won class C title in 95 Poughkeepsie won Class B both schools are now Class A schools and play some great games
Peekskill moved to class B in 1996 and won both state and federation titles.If my math is correct Brand won state titles his soph and junior years and lost his senior year.
Brand went to Duke 2 years and was drafted #1 by Chicago in 1999.
I remember when Chris Mullen was a senior and he single handed beat the McCrary brothers for Mount Vernon they both went on to play at Louisville.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 20, 2006, 11:44:38 am
only had 1 trip to glens falls.....went to watch the Beacon Bulldogs led by seniors Macklin and ortquist(sound familiar anyone?) who shoulda beat amityville in the finals....talent i saw was  aj price from amityville, tyler relph who was Mr. Basketball and was at WVU (anyone know what happened?) and the best of em all....greg paulus who was a soph.....

as a cuse fan im excited about everything I hear about Harris

as a cortland guy.........i wish ortquist coulda got his act together.......woulda really helped this cortland team.....also...how many years did headley play with hilton armstrong
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 20, 2006, 01:22:31 pm
Hmm, that's a pretty good list of players.  I missed Elton Brand by a year. He was a senior in 96-97. The 1995-96 team won the Federation title. Peekskill beat St. Dom's in a classic. The same St. Dom's team (still now coached by Rob Pavinelli) went back to Fed's in 96-97 and broke my heart, beating Westhill in the Class B Fed Title game. Westhill went back to the Falls in 97-98, but lost to a scrappy Westhampton Beach team in the NYPHSAA title game.

Just two or three years later, Brand (I can't remember how long Brand was at Duke),  was in the NBA. The only name player I can remember seeing was from Long Island Lutheran during the Federation Championships in 96-97. A 6'6" senior on his way to St. John's. He wasn't running into the crowd or sponsoring rap albums. The listing in the program (which I still have) is Ronald Artest, Grade 12.

Reading the program, I come across a familiar name, but not one I knew at the time. Christ the King is usually one of the best women's teams in the state. And on the 1996-97 CTK team, 11th grader Sue Bird. Jeez, that makes me the same age as her.

Indiana had their come one, come all state tournament, and other places jam pack areans for basketball. But I'll take the Final Four at the Glens Falls Civic Center any day. It's a little small, and slightly chilly because it serves as a hockey rink, but there's no other atmosphere like it.
I covered the Final Four at the GFCC for the boys tournament and the Final Four for the girls tournament at HVCC, and I vote for the Civic Center hands down for a state basketball tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Maxcy Maniac on February 20, 2006, 04:59:17 pm
the SUNYAC playoffs are starting tomorrow, predictions? Game previews?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 20, 2006, 05:09:21 pm
Lets refocus on the SUNYAC thread.

First round games tomorrow

Buffalo State (13-12, 7-9) at Cortland (14-2, 22-3)
Cortland beat visiting Buffalo State 75-73 in their only meeting this year.

Tough first round game for the #1 seed.  Buff State very athletic, and if they get a lead could give the Dragons problems.

Geneseo (12-13, 7-9) at Oswego (19-6, 12-4)
Oswego won only previous meeting 67-60 at Oswego
Geneseo coming off big win vs. Cortland, Oswego vs. Brockport
Geneseo has a size advantage, and Oswego's strength has been Mims & Burridge inside, and Franze slashing to the basket.  Lakers struggling from the arc.

Plattsburgh (15-10, 8-8) at Brockport (14-11, 10-6)
Brockport swept season series 85-79 (Gibbs-Smith hurt in this game) at 'burgh, then 86-84 squeaker at 'port.

Brockport a three seed by tiebreaker.  Coming off a brutal loss at home to Oswego.  Gibbs-Smith will be in front of his homeboys, and may really be up for this game.  Cards can beat anyone when they bring their A game, but also capable of walkabouts at times.  'burgh defense may be too intense for the Eagles.  Should be some great basketball with Bellucci, Cheves, Amparo, Rother, Gibbs-Smith, Williams, Gorham, A. Miller.

Potsdam (15-10, 10-6) at SUNYIT (14-10, 10-6)
Potsdam beat SUNYIT on 2/7 85-52 in thorough dismantling of Wildcats.  Props to IT mentor Tom Murphy, as he regrouped and has won four straight and a home game.  

SUNYIT beat Potsdam on 1/31 83-71 as the 'cats went to the line 41 times at Jerry Welsh Gym.

Bears smarting from upset loss at Oneonta on Sunday, 'cats want to keep their great turnaround year going.  Should be a dandy.

Four great matchups.

Four ugly road trips (mid-week in winter)
Buff State to Cortland
Plattsburgh to Brockport
Geneseo to Oswego (send out a search party if they don't get there)
Potsdam to Utica.
Every trip through an active lake effect snow belt (or 2).






Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: owen on February 20, 2006, 05:45:44 pm
Well, Potsdam v Oneonta was disappointing for my boys first callege b'ball game, not very well played and not very well refereed either. Yes, it was very close throughout, Oneonta's biggest lead was 6 points I think, but the game didn't have much to recommend it :(. I'll leave the commentary to the guys that really know what they're talking about. I'm just a casual fan.

At least the trip was fun. I see where some of the comments about the refs on this board are coming from now. The 2 shot technical plus 3 shot foul leading to 5 consecutive made free throws for Oneonta with about 2 minutes left in the game were killer. Ouch!

Having last seen Potsdam play 24 years ago it was interesting to see how the teams compared. This Potsdam team seemed VERY inexperienced (so many freshmen) and a little sloppy/out of control at times. I guess watching Eddie Jachim, Leroy Witherspoon and Derek Rowland spoiled me. (probably butchered the spelling of the names - sorry!)  Still, there is definitely some raw talent at Potsdam that could make this a very good team next year. Good luck in the SUNYACs.


Took my two boys to the Hall of Fame this morning (baseball, not the soccer one in Oneonta). First time they've been there.  They loved that!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bed on February 21, 2006, 07:14:40 am
Watch out for SUNY-IT.  They have the best coach in the conference.  One of the best coaches in D3.  His team won't be favored, but don't underestimate the Wildcats if they play Brockport, Cortland, etc.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 21, 2006, 08:05:39 am
Murphy is an excellent coach, no doubt, but the SUNYAC has a number of top notch coaches, who certainly are his equal.  T-Span, Kevin Broderick, Nelson Whitmore, Sherry Dobbs are all first rate X's & O's guys and solid recruiters.   Fajri Ansari at Buff State has a huge rep from the HS level and a number of his HS guys went on to High D-I and the NBA.

Tonight's game should be a dandy.  Potsdam last visit to IT resulted in a 33 point Potsdam victory.  Be interesting to see what changes Murphy makes in his strategy for this game. 

SUNYAC is wide open this year, no dominant team.  (Yes Cortland was 14-2 but most of their games were close, and their two league losses at home).

Anyone can beat anyone in a given game.  Will come down to defense, rebounding, making FT's, and taking care of the ball.  The team that does that best should emerge as the champion.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 21, 2006, 11:54:52 am
cortland, potsdam, brockport and oswego all 1st round winners....
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 21, 2006, 12:03:14 pm
My thoughts for All-Conference and Player of the Year

First Team

Edane Barton - Potsdam
Ahmad Mims - Oswego
Ben Bellucci - Brockport
Scott Taggart - Cortland
Chris Reaves - SUNYIT

Second Team
Kris Gibbs-Smith - Plattsburgh
Mat Burridge - Oswego
Simon Skrelja - Cortland
Frank Ranieri - Cortland
Deon Mozelle - Buffalo St.

Honorable mention
Kenny Amparo - Brockport
Jaysen Murphy - Oneonta
Travis Gorham - Plattsburgh
Antoine Gilkes - SUNYIT
Chris Laboard - SUNYIT

Newcomer of the year - Chris Reaves, SUNYIT
Freshman of the year - Joe Kling, Geneseo

Player of the Year - Edane Barton.  Took a team with no returning starters,   8 freshmen & 11 first year players to a third place tie.  Despite being a marked man all year, came up with an incredible, versatile season, scoring, rebounding, assists, steals, hustle.

As the above teams indicate, most of the other POY candidates (Mims, Bellucci) had other strong players in the lineup.

Barton led his team in scoring 16 times, in rebounding 19 times, and had 12 double doubles.  His season compares to the season Brendan Mitchell had when he was named D-III POY at Potsdam.

Any other thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Nick bigmorton on February 21, 2006, 12:53:21 pm
Edane Barton has 3 of the top 6 three point shooters (as far as percentage) in the SUNYAC.  I understand your affiliation to Potsdam, Bear, but lets be a little unbiased here.  A team that can spread the floor will open the lanes for a guy like Barton.  Im not saying he isn't talented, but he isnt playing with guys with wooden legs.  Ranieri needs to be first team, taggart second.  Taggart had a great season, but Raineri is the focal point of the offense and the team leader.  Along with Si "fly high....you get the point" Skrelja. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 21, 2006, 01:23:11 pm
Taggart is one of the few legit post players in the SUNYAC.  When he's in the game, he's almost unstoppable.  That's why I suggested him for first team.

I used the same logic as last year, when Potsdam C Eldon Harris made first team, despite relatively modest stats.  When Taggart is in the game, you have to change your game plan to handle him.  Gilkes from IT is the same way.

Yes, Potsdam shoots the three well, but if you look those three people make a combined 4.5 3ptrs a game.  Many of which are created by Barton driving to the lane and dishing, or defenses double teaming Barton leaving open looks for the shooters.  He averages nearly three assists a game, and a large number are from him driving then kicking to the shooter at the arc.

Believe me, Barton doesn't get any free looks because of extended defenses. 

If threes really matter, Bellucci has Cheves to extend the defenses, he leads the conference in 3 FG's per game.  He also has Amparo, and Rother to complement him. 

Mims has Perioli and Burridge. 

Corts have Taggart, Ranieri, Skrelja, Maggiacomo, point being these other clubs have lots of weapons, game in and game out.

Potsdam has a lot of role players, and one special player that is the catalyst that makes it all work in what is supposed to be a rebuilding year.

As I said the post was a device to get a conversation started that was on topic.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 21, 2006, 03:26:45 pm
Barton is POY........

i think taggart is first and si and frank are second team...good call bear....mr bigmorton has had one to many beast lites......

Nick...any creative chants for tonight??.....or should i just continue to rag the other players appearnces and mannerisms?????
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 21, 2006, 04:55:12 pm
Best be careful - Buff State's coach is an imam.  No kidding!

At least they have decent uni's this year.  last year's were REALLY ugly so you coulda started there.

Jones will have a bunch of his Syracuse home boys, as will McNair (Ithaca)
They will be lookin to make a statement.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 21, 2006, 05:28:09 pm
Cortland - Buff State

7:45pm EST Pre-Game

http://www.bcmonsters.com
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 21, 2006, 07:42:19 pm
Halftime at SUNYIT

SUNYIT 38 Potsdam 37.  SUNYIT leads by 10, 33-23 before Potsdam on an 8-0 run to end the half.

Potsdam 5'7" PG Scott Mitchell leads all scorers with 12 on 4 treys

Chris Reaves leads IT with 11.

Radio reports Potsdam star Edane Barton playing, but "under the weather"

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: retired12 on February 21, 2006, 07:46:41 pm
I'm having trouble with Potsdam's webcast from their website. Can anyone help out?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 21, 2006, 08:31:27 pm
At SUNYIT

End of Regulation

Potsdam 83 SUNYIT 83

Potsdam rallies from 8 pt deficit with 7 minutes left to tie.  IT misses chance to win with :02.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 21, 2006, 08:46:04 pm
HALF

Cortland 48 Buffalo State 34

Ranieri 16pts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 21, 2006, 08:53:04 pm
In overtime

SUNYIT 97 Potsdam 96.

There will be a new SUNYAC champion.

Reaves had 30.  Edane Barton 32.

Potsdam was 7 down in OT, and came up just short.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 21, 2006, 09:25:37 pm
didnt make it to the game....had to fill a spot in the Y league.....looks like im missing a great effort
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bed on February 21, 2006, 10:03:32 pm
MURPHY does it again.  Big time coaching down the stretch.   Players came through.  SUNY-IT moves to the 2nd Round.
 
Congrats to Coach Murph!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 21, 2006, 10:09:04 pm
FINALS

Cortland 99 Buff State 84
Oswego 66 Geneseo 62
Plattsburgh 88 Brockport 86
SUNYIT 97 Potsdam 96 OT

Semi-finals on Friday

1:00pm Plattsburgh vs. Oswego (Main Event later on Friday for Oswego vs. Plattsburgh hockey at The Romney)
3:00pm Cortland vs. SUNYIT
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: docksider on February 22, 2006, 01:32:07 am
RE: all sunyac predictions by thebear.

I'd have to switch Ranieri and Taggart (or bump another of your first teamers to leave room for both R and T).  Scott's contributions have been huge, but Frank gets more minutes and is always in when the game is close.  Scott plays less and may or may not be in at the end, depending on situation.   And when he's in, he comes through big time.  There's no stat for leadership, but if there were, Frank, Simon, and Scott would all be at the top, and Frank just might be off the chart.

That said, none of these three would care as much about being all sunyac as they would about winning sunyac and more.  Basketball is a team sport, and Cortland's success is, if nothing else, a reflection of the fact that they get that. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 22, 2006, 01:24:01 pm
i went 2-4 not bad considering the oher two games were decided by 3 compined points......sounded like a good day of basketball......friday's predictions...cortland and oswego move on
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Nick bigmorton on February 22, 2006, 02:11:06 pm
This is the last I want to talk about Barton.  He may get POY and he is obviously a worthing candidate.  I just don't think you need to talk about how bad the refs were when a good player has an off-game....or that he was sneezing in the pre-game huddle.  Good players overcome all factors to prove how good they are.  When a guy is getting into foul trouble he needs to adjust.  The Cortland-Geneseo game- the refs were atrocious, and I was there first hand to see it...I am the last guy thats gonna pin a game on the refs.  I have no problem with Edane Barton winning POY I just don't need to be convinced that he should be a lottery pick this June.  Cstate 19 is crazy...he should know that Taggart isn't a focus on offense and hasn't been a team leader all year long.  This is a team that was 2nd in the SUNYAC last year.  Taggart didn't save a 2-14 team.  He is a great addition to an already great team, and he would fit nicely on 2nd-team All-SUNYAC
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: KING on February 23, 2006, 11:16:53 am
Nick i have to agree with you about Taggart, he is a GOOD player on a very good team, nothing more or less.  the leadership on that team comes from Frank and Simon, it has been that way for years.  Eventhough i like the kid, Taggart is not an all SUNYAC player!  how do you put someone in the top 15 in the conference when down at the end of games he doesn't make the top 7 on his own roster.  Cstate19 have you seen them play?  90% of what Taggart does is on his own, nothing drawn up by Span.  All rebs. and put backs off the O glass, far from a focus on offense.  Also, Simon playing as a 6 man should not hurt his chances of a first team bid this year.  Span likes the energy and production he brings as a lift off of the bench when the starters get flat.  he is the best player on the best team in the conference and should be rewarded for it.  if the award was for MVP he would have it, but unlucky for Simon its not, its POY.  Good luck to my C-state boys this weekend though, i was up in the air about them all year waiting to fall off, but now i really think they will take it home.  Cortland 62 Oswego 59 in the title game
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 23, 2006, 11:49:19 am
yes kirch ive seen them play many times, the most recent you and Dan drunk as hell yelling at the refs (who deserved it).....by the way I think Dynasty is taking the All-School chip.....you dont have the firepower...enjoy your Y chip while playing with them......


the fact that Taggart gets all his points off rebounds makes him that much better.......those 6-10 points a game are ones the team would not have without him...the fact that the offense runs through simon and frank means they always get oppurtunities........yes for the last time i agree that si and frank are the unquestioned leaders of the team...like i said before how many MVP votes does teddy bruschi get??? leaders dont get individual awards and they dont care thats why they are leaders.....if the offense ran through taggart he would average 20 and 10......not a knock on SI and Frank.........just praise for Big Scott......
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 23, 2006, 05:34:41 pm
I think both of you guys are on point. 

The issue is that a "team effort" usually doesn't get rewarded with a lot of first team berths, but does get a bunch of 2nd team & HM's. 

Look at last year, Harris (Potsdam) was 1st team, despite fairly modest stats.  Why - because he played great post defense, and rebounded at both ends, and forced you to deal with him (& Turner).  The scorers (Barton, Connelly, Clayton) all made 2nd team or HM.  I think Cortland will get 1 1st teamer, 2 on the second, and one or two HM.  5 out of 15 represents the season they had.

Look at last year's All-SUNYAC team

Zera - leading scorer - lost in quarters
Bellucci - 2nd leading scorer - lost in quarters
O'Garrow - glue that made Cortland a contender
Perioli - glue that made Oswego a contender
Harris - post that everyone had to game plan for.

Taggart gives Cortland the presence to contend with the wide-body 6'8's you will see if you have to play Wooster, or some of the New England teams in the NCAA's.  Against midget SUNYAC teams, he sits a lot because he isn't quick enough to guard a Jaysen Murphy type player.  But in tournament play, he becomes a load, Simon can play the point instead of the post, and you have a great, deep lineup, with Ranieri, Headley, & Jutton/Maggiacomo.

Potsdam beat Fisher last year with in your face defense, Fisher couldn't run their offense, and Fisher's 6'4" scorers were mismatched when they did get inside.  They don't have a counter for Taggart.

I'm rooting for Corts.  They are a class act.  Sleeper could be Plattsburgh. if they show up with their A game, they can take anyone.  Lots of talent in Williams, Gorham, Gibbs-Smith & Miller.

Corts will have to play their usual great defense.  PG by committee may be a disadvantage against Reaves in the semi's.  If he's hot, like he was Tuesday, you can play great defense and he will still find a way to score. 

Should be a great SUNYAC tournament.  A Cortland win, and they should be a lock to host a first round game, and possibly, due to Fisher's tiny gym, the regionals as well. 

NCAA's - don't be surprised if a NJ or Ohio team gets moved into the region for balance.  Utica is the last ranked team, but unless they upset Fisher, they may not get an at large bid, particularly with a recent loss to Oswego.  Wooster has Wittenberg (#6 in poll)  in their conference, and Witt is < 500 mile bus trip to Rochester or Cortland, so that may be in the cards.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: retired12 on February 23, 2006, 09:07:32 pm
Check out Potsdam's webiste, it shows that Barton was First Team Selection. This probably means that Belluci was awarded POY.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 23, 2006, 11:27:49 pm
i just got word ben is poy cortland had 3 honors players.........i will try to get more
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 24, 2006, 12:10:35 am
and btw.......gibbs-smith is a punk..........he is so lucky i will not be making the trip to utica this weekend........the redicule on his chin hair among other things would be enough to take him out of his game...........i guarentee i could rile him up enough to get a T..........message to G-S......your a good player....shut your mouth and hoop......dont worry about all that street sh*t.....your not making the NBA....get off the d3hoops message board for fans!!!!!!!!.........if you have that much free time get in the gym or the weight room.........i know your gonna read this...........your a solid player......work hard, ball out and be respected......
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 24, 2006, 11:40:06 am
From the SUNYAC Web Site

2005-06 SUNYAC Men’s Basketball All-Conference Teams

 

First Team
Name                          School                Pos.     Yr.       Ht.       Hometown/Previous School

Ben Bellucci               Brockport           G         Sr.       6’4       Cicero/Cicero-North Syracuse

Frank Ranieri              Cortland             F          Sr.       6’4       Cicero/Cicero North Syracuse

Ahmad Mims               Oswego              F          Sr.       6’4       Syracuse/Cicero-North Syracuse                     

Kris Gibbs-Smith        Plattsburgh         F          Sr.       6’6       Rochester/John Marshall

Edane Barton               Potsdam              G/F      Sr.       6-3       Spring Valley/Colgate University
                                                               

Second Team
Name                          School                Pos.     Yr.       Ht.       Hometown/Previous School

Gregg Jones                 Buffalo State      F          Sr.       6’3       Syracuse/Nottingham

Simon Skrelja              Cortland             G/F      Sr.       6’3       Hastings-on-Hudson/Hastings

Nick Perioli                Oswego              G         Jr.        5’10     Liverpool/Liverpool

Mat Burridge               Oswego              C         Jr.        6’7       Oswego/Hannibal

Chris Reaves               SUNYIT             G         Jr.        5'9       Syracuse/Herkimer CC

 

Honorable Mention
Name                          School                Pos.     Yr.       Ht.       Hometown/Previous School

Jerry Cheves               Brockport           F          Sr.       6’3       Brockport, NY/Brockport

Dion Mozelle              Buffalo State      F          So.       6’5       Rego Park/Xaverian

Scott Taggart               Cortland             C         Sr.       6’6       Sidney Center/Franklin

Jaysen Murphy            Oneonta              F          Jr.        6’3       East Elmhurst/Robert Wagner

Sean Coffey                 Oneonta              G         Sr.       6’2       New Paltz/New Paltz

 


2005-06 Player of the Year: Ben Bellucci, Brockport                                             

2005-06 Rookie of the Year: Scott Morton, Geneseo           

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 24, 2006, 11:56:42 am
thanks bear...taggart gets HM......ouch.....guess i was off on thinking 1st team....
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 24, 2006, 01:04:16 pm
The two picks I don't get are Murphy and Coffey as HM.

Oneonta did squat this year until the last weekend.  Sure they had some injuries, but they also had 12 conference losses. 

Can't tell me that Maggiacomo didn't deserve HM over Coffey.  He was the dagger in the heart of most of Cort's opponents with his well-stroked threes coming off the bench.

I also thought Gilkes and Gorham were better choices for HM than Murphy as inside players.

Interesting all 5 first teamers are /slash/ G-F's who can go inside or outside.  No pure guards or posts in the group.  Wonder if this is a trend.

Good luck to Corts this afternoon, sure they'll come to play.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 24, 2006, 03:49:23 pm
according to D3hoops.com, Plattsburgh beats Oswego 69-65 to advance to the finals against the winner between Cortland and SUNYIT
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 24, 2006, 03:50:15 pm
FINAL

Plattsburgh 69 Cortland 65
-Plattsburgh leads for a combined four or five minutes of the game. Anthony Williams hits a late three pointer for the go-ahead basket. Williams finished with 26pts.

HALF

SUNYIT 50 Cortland 38
*Wildcats shoot 9x18 from 3pt range
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 24, 2006, 03:54:21 pm
That halftime score between Cortland and SUNYIT is surprising.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 24, 2006, 04:01:43 pm
Cortland down 4 54-50 after being down 12 at the half...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 24, 2006, 04:05:47 pm
17-4 run by Cortland, they've taken their second lead. 55-54 Cortland. IT is falling apart
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 24, 2006, 04:07:16 pm
17-4 run by Cortland, they've taken their second lead. 55-54 Cortland. IT is falling apart

Technical foul on Cortland's Frank Ranieri... they said he said something to the officials.

Technical on BOTH teams. A guy from IT called for a Tech foul too.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 24, 2006, 04:10:32 pm
Cortland up 58-57, 12 minutes to go.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 24, 2006, 04:27:38 pm
what's the score in the cortland sunyit game
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 24, 2006, 04:30:28 pm
71-69 SUNYIT....305 left

http://www.bcmonsters.com
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: dewcrew88 on February 24, 2006, 04:38:22 pm
SUNYIT might get it done, which could screw up Utica because C-State would get one of the precious C bids.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: fisheralum03 on February 24, 2006, 04:46:19 pm
any update on the game??
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 24, 2006, 04:46:42 pm
FINAL

SUNYIT 81 Cortland 74
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty31 on February 24, 2006, 07:43:40 pm
hey whats up everybody...I know everybody is going to be surprised with what happend this weekend but for someone who played for years at Oswego and for people who have followed SUNYAC know that every other year or so there are those weird teams that make it.  For example New Paltz in the championship recently, even when we made it five years ago was a surprise.  Even though it hurts to watch my lakers lose when they were ahead the whole game i was a little shocked.  Sunyac much like big east every game tough.  I have one more thing to discuss I know ive read a lot of stuff on here about gibbs-smith and how people are getting on him about his game, but its simple he wins and he makes his team and teamates better. Personally i never had a problem with him we were always cool to each other and he guarded me everytime we played, he respected me and i respected him so you can knock him all you want but he took his team to the championship game.................
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: reggieball22 on February 24, 2006, 07:57:24 pm
Yeah the SUNYAC and the Big East have so much in common. Its like you could interchange any of the 2 teams. Come on man.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 08:03:46 pm
Fisher and RIT tied at 61 with 23.7 seconds remaining in Pittsford. Is this Black Friday?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on February 24, 2006, 08:22:57 pm
Fisher wins 67-65 in OT. Hell of a game.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 24, 2006, 09:21:07 pm
In last year's championship game the Lakers came out of the locker room looking scared, fell behind early, and never mounted a threat. This year's team came out confident, trailed for a total of 37 seconds early in the first half and was up 35-30 at the break. Mims in double digits, Burridge controlling the post, Perioli running a smooth point and a couple of buckets, and Franze with help had Gibbs-Smith under wraps. Only a huge 17 from red hot Anthony Williams kept the Cards close.

Looked like the Lakers were ready to close this one out early when they opened the 2nd half with a little 5-0 run to take a 40-30 lead at 17:46, but the Cards didn't crack and played the Lakers even for the next 10 minutes trailing 59-48 at 5:53. Still thought it might be time to warm up the bus. Brian Hatch and Travis Gorham were playing big inside but Gibbs-Smith was getting hammered and held every time he touched the ball although not getting to the line. Oswego was still up 63-53 at 4:44.

Cards score 5 straight and close to 63-58 at 2:58. On the next two possessions, Oswego scores a deuce before cards hit another big 3. Lakers time out up 65-61 at 2:02

A huge 4 point swing after the time out. Oswego inbounds and works the ball to Burridge. He backed his man into the middle of the lane no more than 5ft out and everyone in the arena, including everyone on the floor, expected a drop step or jump hook from point blank range. But he inexplicably chose to kick the ball to Mims on the left wing. Not a great pass and Mims was simply watching Burridge post up – ball rolls out of bounds to the Cards. On the other end, Gibbs-Smith made a great cut down the left side of the lane with a huge catch and finish on what looked to be a too high lob to bring the Cards within 2, 65-63, with 1:29 remaining.

Oswego worked the ball deliberately in the front court against tough man defense. Franze drove the lane and was tied up in double team at 1:07. Oswego ball on the baseline. Lakers got nothing out of the inbound and Perioli was forced to take a wild 3. Never found the rim – Plattsburg ball on the clock violation at :54.

Perhaps the Lakers were looking to double G-S or Gorham, or perhaps they expected the Cards to run some clock, but Anthony Williams, impossibly alone on the right wing extended drained another 3 to put the Cards up 66-65 with :39 on the clock.

Once again, the Lakers went to Franze, with worse results than the previous possession. Franze was whistled for a charge on the base line. Plattsburg ball at :21. Lakers quickly foul Antwane Williams, hits 1 of 2 FTs. Cards up 67-65.

Lakers go inside to Burridge – fouled - to the line for 2 with 2 on the clock. Can't convert, Gorham grabs the board and is fouled. Converts both to seal the upset while the Cards bench and fans explode.

They say a close game is a coach's game. For the Cards T-Curle, who has had his share of grief and aggravation over the last 2 years, I'll say no more.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: lefty31 on February 25, 2006, 12:21:34 am
I agree with everything you said except for Oswego came out scared last year.  Usually when u beat a team by 20 when they are 19-0 and ranked in the nation they have revenge on there mind.  Also you have to understand there were only two players who had made it that far before Oliver and Ponza, and other have not been that deep in SUNAYCS before.  Potsdam played a good game defensivly and offensively and deserved to win.  Here is the problem, when Oswego needed a bucket last year everybody knew who they were going to, when geneseo needed a bucket you knew zera was getting the ball, when potsdam needed a bucket you knew they were going inside,  this year the lakers  are lacking that go to player.  Sometimes that is the problem with a well balanced team such as Oswego.  Talk about history, Oswego upsets Plattsburgh in 01-02 to go to finals, then Plattsburgh upsets Oswego in first round of Sunyacs, and now the Plattsburgh once again upsets Oswego.....
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: goiter on February 25, 2006, 02:56:25 am
lets face it...murph is a winner
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on February 25, 2006, 07:00:12 am
I would like to congratulate SUNYIT and Plattsburgh on hard fought victories

On the one hand a gentleman coach forced out of his previous school, shows that with age and experience comes success.   

On the other hand, an outspoken team leader who as his team on the verge of the long sought after championship. 

Who will win?

As I predicted Cortland is out.  They will make the NCAA with a quick visit.  They have a good team. They have no key leader as all the previous post show.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 25, 2006, 11:43:29 am
your on the right track bear......just a lil off.....cortland has plenty of leaders......they have no go to guy....i have said it over and over.......down 3 with a lil bit to go simon takes it to the rack but cant finish......no go to guy......everyones been saying it all year and everyone is right.....lets hope they get in and play just a lil bit better.........my game ball???? SUNYIT's coach.....a 2-3 matchup zone is a perfect way to stop the dragons good job IT......cortland...lets get in and get it done...all the faith in the world
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on February 25, 2006, 03:23:31 pm
At SUNYAC web Plattsburgh 94-73.  Looks like SUNYIT didn't show or they played zone and Plattsburgh shot the lights out.  Anyone have stats?

Gibbs-Smith has the chance to put his foot where his mouth is.  Does he have what it takes?

To all the Gibbs-Smith haters.  When it counted he brought his team to the big dance.  This is what a team leader a go to player does.   If he remains focused he can take his team deep into the tournament.  The success of Plattsburgh is all based on his performance.

Good Luck and represent well!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on February 25, 2006, 03:37:28 pm
If there are no more upsets the following 8 schools should make the ECAC upstate tournament.  In no order

Rochester, Utica,St. Lawerence, Union, Oswego , Potsdam ,SUNYIT ,Brockport
 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 25, 2006, 04:30:36 pm
Re SUNYAC final,

SUNYAC web site says Brian Hatch, Plattsburgh's 5 led their scorers with 21.  He's usually a defense, rebounder blue collar kinda guy, so they must have ignored him and paid.  Plattsburgh is big, 6-7, 6-6, 6-5, 6-2, 6-1, so their overall size must have given IT fits.  IT is athletic, but small.  If they get behind they can self destruct. 

As for the 2-3 zone, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.  If your opponents shoot well, and get a lead, then you're in trouble.

As for ECAC's,

Several people I talked  to don't believe that Rochester would accept an ECAC bid.

SLU didn't take an ECAC bid last year.

Keuka will be sniffing around for a bid.  They have a decent record, albeit in a terrible league.

NYU will take one, but it will be in the Metro region.

I would think RIT/Ithaca would be in the mix with SLU, they all have virtually identical in region and overall records.

Seeds would likely be

1 Utica
2 Oswego (with a recent win over Utica, could be #1)
3 Union
4-5-6-7 Potsdam/Brockport/Keuka/SUNYIT - in some order
8 one from RIT/Ithaca/SLU

Probably have the four SUNYAC teams matched up against the four non-SUNYAC teams in the first round.

Props to Plattsburgh for a solid performance in the SUNYAC's. 
Team really came back strong from a shocking loss to Oneonta in the regular season finale to pull together and win in a number of different ways.

Just shows how balanced the SUNYAC is, #4 & #6 seeds in the final.
with the champion having regular season losses to the #9 & #10 teams in the league.

Would be surprised if Fisher or Hamilton is paired against the SUNYAC teams in early rounds. 

Similar to '03-04, Plattsburgh may well get shipped to New England because they're an upset winner, may get sent to Norwich which is actually very close to Plattsburgh.  (Potsdam got sent to Penn St-Erie, then Wooster) Cortland may have blown their chance for a home game, with two late season losses although they might get to host Hamilton.

Suspect some NJ/PA/Western Ohio team may get shipped to Fisher as the East region will likely only get the three conference championship bids + Cortland. 

Should be an interesting Sunday/Monday.  Waiting to see how the powers that be on the regional and national committees concoct the brackets.












Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on February 25, 2006, 04:44:39 pm
Bear -- correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Ithaca is ineligible for the ECAC's because they don't have better than a .500 record overall.  SLU is 13-12.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 25, 2006, 05:25:49 pm
Thought it was .500 or better. I'll check Monday with someone who knows.

Surprised - SLU beats Hamilton, then Union beats SLU, then Hamilton crushes Union!!!

Was the board aware that when Potsdam beat SLU earlier this year, Dobbs benched most of his regulars for the first half and went with 6 players (including 3 who rarely play).  Then crushed SLU (on their court) in the 2nd half.  Just wonder how strong the LL is this year?

I think if someone gets in Fisher or Hamilton's face with really tough D and a physical game, they will melt.  Plattsburgh has several guys that will do just that.  Neither team has anyone to deal with Gibbs-Smith's athleticism if he brings his A game.  The guy is a physical wonder, 6-5 with guard skills and can go inside or outside.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on February 25, 2006, 06:36:55 pm
If it come down to Ithaca/RIT/SLU, I hope the Bombers get the nod seeing how they're 3-0 against the other two opponents. The rational thing isn't always what happens, though.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on February 25, 2006, 06:55:18 pm
congrats plattsburgh....bad weekend for cstate basketball.....both should have a chance to rebound in NCAA's.....for the record i dont hate gibbs-smith...just recoginize talent and wish hed just shut up and play......would make him that much better......sorta like i wish devendorf would shutup for the Orange......
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 25, 2006, 10:20:59 pm
Lefty -

Not to beat a dead horse, but when Oswego came out of the locker room last year  to begin their shoot around, my wife commented that they looked tight, and several other regulars came over and made similar comments.

Several days after the game I had a conversation with one of the Lakers who confirmed that they were tight and simply could not relax prior to and during the game.

Believe what you like, but it was obvious to the regulars and confirmed by an absolutlely credible source.

All that being said, it's only marginally relavent if one chooses to make the argument that Oswego is developing a big game - big finish problem. While they certainly handled the last 4:30 of Friday's game about as badly as possible, I expect a strong Laker showing in the ECAC.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thumbsup on February 26, 2006, 12:18:26 am
I have to disagree with the Bear.  Having seen Hamilton I believe that 6-6 Nick Jones is just as athletic if not more than Gibbs-Smith.  He takes better shots too.  The sunyac is the deepest conference in the state, but Hamilton could have won that conference as well.  don't know much about fisher outside of Potsdam blowing them out last year, but I can't see Plattsburgh playing with Hamilton if that scenerio ever comes about.  We'll see I guess, but Hamilton is as athletic as any Sunyac team and they can shoot the ball pretty darn good.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on February 26, 2006, 12:23:32 am
When does the ECAC tournament begin because SUNY Potsdam will hosts Class C and D games for both boys and girls state tournament from 3/8-3/11.  It will make it hard for Potsdam to host ECAC games.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on February 26, 2006, 12:27:18 am
If I remember correctly, the ECAC first round games actually take place during the week.  The state HS games should be on the weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on February 26, 2006, 12:37:45 am
Ok, I think the statute of limitations has run on talking about last year's Potsdam vs Fisher game. There is absolutely nothing relevant about that game last year in terms of what is currently going on. Congrats to Potsdam on that win last year, but it's over. That win indicates nothing about this year's Fisher team or any SUNYAC/E8 comparison.

Potsdam matched up perfectly with Fisher. Fisher's big guys could be knocked around last year; that's not the case this year. SJF laid an egg at the wrong time and they've learned from that. I'd love to see a Fisher/Cortland or Fisher/Plattsburgh St game in the NCAA's, especially if it's at Manning Napier Gym.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 26, 2006, 12:39:41 am
As I understand the college's usage policy, if the college has a game, that always takes precedence over outside use of the facility.  Since ECAC games are typically played at night, they could move the HS games to afternoon.

I believe same sort of situation happened last year, and some HS games were moved to Clarkson.  I believe this has always been the case, because Potsdam never missed an opportunity to host regionals/Elite 8 games in the heyday in the '80's.  

I know J.Welsh is a premier facility to watch b'ball but the Sectional b'ball folks know that if Potsdam has a game they have to go to Plan B.  Indian River in the Watertown area also has a large gym available.

SLU has revamped their gym, and it is a nice facility, seats about 1200-1500 with a press gallery etc.  Court is now centered

That being said, Potsdam likely in the middle of the bracket.  

I think Utica/Oswego/Union all pretty much locks to host.  Potsdam might get a first rounder vs. SLU if they get a bid.  Think pairings could well be SUNYIT@Union, Brockport@Utica, Keuka/RIT/Ithaca@Oswego, SLU@Potsdam

We shall see on Monday
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 26, 2006, 12:48:22 am
Be careful what you wish for.  One thing to remember, Gibbs-Smith is a Rochester boy, and would relish the opportunity to impress the hometown folks.

He's a man on a mission this year.  He is letting his actions on the court speak for him, and is speaking very loudly of late.  He would love to do so in the upscale environs of Pittsford.

P.S.  Thumbs up. 

If you remember, Nick Jones played at Clarkson for a year.  I've seen him play, He's a nice player, but you have to see G-S to believe him.  He is a gifted athlete for this level, great hops, strength, and very quick and fast for a man his size.  He can pick up a loose ball in the lane and dunk it from a standstill.  He is a matchup problem for anyone at this level.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 26, 2006, 11:29:17 am
Thoughts on the SUNYAC Final Four...

It was certainly an interesting weekend of basketball at the Aud. Number six seeded Plattsburgh wins their first outright SUNYAC championship in 30 years defeating fourth seeded SUNYIT. The game was just about as close as the final score indicates. Against Cortland, SUNYIT shot the lights out and their heckling defense really negated Taggert in the post. Also, they had a loud and rowdy crowd too. On Saturday, their shooting went cold. SUNYIT couldn't buy a bucket from three until the second half. They were getting open looks, but nothing fell. And down low, no one could stop Brian Hatch. Hatch had an OK game against Oswego in the semifinals but nothing to write home about. Against SUNYIT, he looked like a world-beater. SUNYIT didn't have anyone really tall enough to guard him and he was strong on the glass.

Plattsburgh's shooting was extremely good for the second straight day. I think for the weekend, they were over 50% combined between Oswego and SUNYIT wins. I was really impressed with Anthony Williams. He was the difference in the Oswego game. Plattsburgh was trailing by 10 or so late, and Williams banged in back to back three's to cut the lead to four. Little bit later with Plattsburgh trailing by two, he hits the go-ahead three from just about the bench with a defender in his face. He also has great court vision on the break and leads the team on the floor. Excellent replacement for now assistant coach Curtis Smith. Gibbs-Smith proved his detractors wrong with two solid performances. He took over the second half of the SUNYIT game, blowing an 11-point lead wide open.

Great crowds this weekend too for the men's side. SUNYIT playing in two of the three games didn't hurt. They may have had a better turnout yesterday if the weather hadn't been rotten. Good number of Plattsburgh fans at the Saturday final considering the four-hr drive to Utica. Not to mention their hockey team playing in the SUNY semifinals at Romney.

And the even better news is, the SUNYAC has a great chance to get two teams into the NCAA tournament. If this was last year, I'd be holding my breath for Cortland. But, with a high regional ranking and 20+ wins, the Red Dragons look to be a solid bet for a Pool C bid. If anything, their loss at SUNYIT in the Final Four takes them out of hosting a regional hub. Right now, with four New York teams, it will be interesting to see where everyone goes.

Oh yeah, Curtis Smith, best dressed coach or assistant coach all weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thumbsup on February 26, 2006, 12:47:42 pm
Bear,

Seen Gibbs-Smith about 5-6 times.  Nice player, not a great shooter, more of a slasher, lots of bad shots from time to time.  I'll take Jones because he is longer, but he wouldn't guard Gibbs-Smith, he would probably get Peck.  Doesn't matter though, P-burgh isn't deep enough to play at the regional level.  Still believe that there are four maybe five other teams I would have liked to see come out of the Yac, and I know you will like this, Potsdam would have been on of them.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on February 26, 2006, 02:54:42 pm
SUNYAC All Tournament Team

MVP Kris Gibbs-Smith Plattsburgh

Chris Laboard SUNYIT
Chris Reaves SUNYIT
Travis Gorham Plattsburgh
Anthony Williams Plattsburgh
Rod Headley Cortland?

Would've thought one of the Cortland senior leaders would've made the tournament team.  Maybe the kid from Peekskill is laying claim to the leadership role.  I hope the Cortland seniors step to the plate or their visit will be real quick. Why no one from Oswego?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: KING on February 26, 2006, 05:36:59 pm
From what I have heard the SUNYIT sqaud was practicing all week long in the aud, which is against the rules of the tourney, conference and or the ncaa, not really sure which of those it was.  the AD at cortland has made a claim/protest about this and is trying to overturn the choice from the time the game hit 0:00 . obviously Pburg would still go to the NCAA but this would put C-state as runner-up in the tourney which looks better to the committee giving up those few at large spots.  No idea if this action will materialize into anything or just be blown off by sunyac officals though.  good luck on selection sunday C-state
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: KING on February 26, 2006, 05:43:36 pm
one more thing.... whoever it was comparing the sunyac to the big east... i've never heard something so crazy in my life!  the only reason they compare what so ever is that the lower level teams have the ability to knock off a top team within conference play.  however, the big east has many teams in the top 10 or even top 5 in the country at any given time.  if you take ANY team in the sunyac right now and put them against ANY top 5 team in D3 basketball they would loose by 15-20 for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: KING on February 27, 2006, 12:59:54 am
congrats to C-state on the bid and Pburg to winning the tourney!  represent well in the NCAA's, they can't get to be a lot of fun when you get deep!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 27, 2006, 07:43:41 am
ECAC's

Manual says 500 or better. overall or divisional

Committee is chaired by Mike Lindberg at Ithaca

Committee includes reps from Fisher (NCAA team), Keuka (likely #1 seed) Rochester (likely team), Fredonia (SUNY rep) & Union (likely team LL rep)

Quick pass would suggest:

Keuka
Oswego
Union
Rochester
Potsdam
Brockport
Ithaca
SUNYIT

Criteria:


Quote
1. Divisional winning percentage, head–to-head results, results against common opponents;
2. Strength-of-schedule to be determined in part by results against teams selected into the
NCAA or already in the tournament; and
3. Regular season conference standings.
Note: The committee must review all criteria above in the order listed. A team may have an
excellent winning percentage; however the strength of schedule and results against teams in the
tournament also must be examined.

Others in the mix:
Alfred (divisional > .500)
RIT
SLU
Buffalo St
Hobart
Vassar (overall >.500)

Will know later today
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on February 27, 2006, 08:58:24 am
Here's what the Bracket looks like to me:

1 -  Amherst
2 -  Fisher
3 - WPI
4 - Cortland
5 - Tufts
6 - Gordon
7 - Norwich
8 - Hamilton
9 - Plattsburgh
10 - Elms
11 - Utica
12 - Endicott
13 - Mass-Boston
14 - Bridgewater St

Cortland should handle Mass-Boston.  But Plattsburgh is going to have a tough time with Hamilton.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on February 27, 2006, 12:56:48 pm
ECAC's are out. Here are the 1st round matchups:

Wednesday

#8 RIT @ #1 Oswego
#7 Ithaca  @ #2 Union
#6 Brockport @ #3 SUNYIT
#5 Keuka @ #4 Potsdam

Semi-finals will be held Friday night
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on February 27, 2006, 03:16:20 pm
Congrats to Keuka for their ECAC bid.

If anyone connected to the Keuka team happens to see this post, please tell J. Files that Mr. & Mrs. T are bringing the team a post-game batch of cookies; one cookie for each time he's called this year.

Looking forward to seeing you in Potsdam.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on March 01, 2006, 04:08:25 pm
Happy to see SUNY-IT in the ECAC's.  This writer predict back in Sept. that they would be much improved.  Where are my doubters now
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on March 01, 2006, 09:53:05 pm
Happy to see SUNY-IT in the ECAC's. This writer predict back in Sept. that they would be much improved. Where are my doubters now

Right on cue, SUNYIT gets summarily dispatched in the first round of the ECAC's by Brockport, 91-88. Other ECAC scores:

Potsdam 81 Keuka 69

Oswego 84 RIT 81

Ithaca 86 Union 83

Looks like Potsdam/Oswego and Ithaca/Brockport in the semis.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bed on March 01, 2006, 11:46:57 pm
Hey but SUNY-IT had a hell of a year.

I know they lost to Brockport, but they problems with Brockport all season.  I think they lost both regular season games to them, as well as tonight.

But overall, a huge success story considering they lost Nick Grimmer to graduation this season and were able to do as well as they did in the regular season and then have an outstanding performance in the SUNYAC tourney before losing in the finals.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on March 02, 2006, 10:31:19 pm
ouch GS.......good year plattsburg
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on March 03, 2006, 03:20:24 pm
On the way north ..........(just off the course in Myrtle Beach):
Congrats to Pburghers .......and to CState and TSpan. Don't believe this is anywhere near the best Red Dragons outfit. BUT, all they did was win. Hope they can go a ways in nationals. Playing at home a fine reward.
Fact that Pburgh took Hamilton to OT before bowing last evening is testament to Cardinals' strong finish.
What's this thing all about re SUNYIT's edge (practicing at Aud) in SUNYAC tourney? Edge enough playing at home before boisterous crowd, yes? Still, tis a pretty fair IT squad coaching by Maestro Murph.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on March 03, 2006, 05:24:35 pm
Re; SUNYIT practicing in the Aud.  ?Who's going to do anything about it?.  Grimmer (SUNYIT AD) is the league president, he's Murph's former player, what's he going to say...duh?...  Commish reports to the president (Grimmer), so he's not going to do anything. . .  Murph plays by his own rules. . . 35 years in the business & he thinks he's entitled. 

That said, he proved he could win by reloading with refugees from the JUCO ranks, just like he used to win with top shelf D-III recruits.

Solution to the Aud problem:  Move the games back to the campuses.  1st Round Tuesday at top 4 seeds.  Semis's Friday night at two highest remaining seeds.  Finals on Sunday afternoon at the highest surviving seed in time for NCAA Selection committee.  Same deal for the women.   Utica Aud is a horrible venue.  Also make the SUNYAC race even more rewarding.

Every SUNYAC school has a decent gym, some are palaces by D-III standards (Oneonta, Buff St., Corts, 'port, Potsdam, Geneseo), even P'burgh, which plays in their small gym, has the field house available for bigger crowds.

P'burgh loss - tough for the Cardinal.  They had the ball in the hands of their go to guy at the end of the game, he just didn't make the FT's.  Hamilton has talent,  Amherst game will be a revelation as to relative differences between NE and East. 

Agree with poster who suggested Hamilton should schedule non-leaguers with the top NESCAC schools.
 
LL just doesn't give them the competition to be tournament tough.  They should also be scheduling the likes of Rochester, Fisher, Cortland, Oswego, Potsdam, either alternating year home & home or in tournaments.

All are within 3 hours of Hamilton, easy road trips, but will give them tough, well coached, physical opponents to prep them for the post-season. 

Much better than the opening of season tournament with New Paltz (5-20 vs. Medaille 4-21) as the LL already has more cupcakes than a bakery truck.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on March 03, 2006, 09:26:23 pm
Cortland over UMass-Boston 51-38 with about 8 minutes left at CState. Dragons up 50-33 not long ago .......
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on March 03, 2006, 09:53:55 pm
Cortland 68, UMass-Boston 54

Cortland vs. Tufts on Saturday
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jbl2006 on March 03, 2006, 10:39:08 pm
Oswego 76- Postdam-60
Ithaca 77-Brockport-75

Oswego vs Ithaca at 2:00 pm.

Oswego wins by 8 points or more.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on March 03, 2006, 10:44:46 pm
thank you the bear.........who cares who was practicing in the AUD..its a bad venue regardless......as for cortland..........gotta hit some FT's to beat Tufts.......from what i saw??? sunyac has no athletes....UMass Boston was a bad team but athletic..gave cortland problems........but the better team won out........i would like to see the get Rodney some more touches.........good crowd tonight bear........shoulda been there
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on March 04, 2006, 10:49:59 am
Cstate & jdex - congrats to Dragons for getting through to round 2.

If I had gone anywhere last night, it would have been to Oswego, but wifey prevailed and I stayed here and spared my self driving 7 hours in high winds and patches of whiteouts.

Tufts coach is Bob Sheldon Jr.  North Country native and former SLU player, son of SLU's retired AD.  Veteran of upstate NY basketball wars before becoming the head man at Tufts.

I disagree about SUNYAC not being athletic.  There are pockets of athleticism, SUNYIT has several great athletes, Buff State has several, Plattsburgh has at least four very athletic players.  Others that come to mind are Mims, Barton, Amparo, Kitson; Potsdam has at least three very athletic NYC frosh;  but the physical nature of SUNYAC play, inconsistency by zebras (travels and ticky-tack rebounding fouls) and excellent coaching in the league tend to mitigate the ability of athletes to dominate games during the regular season.   

Cortland, I would say has at least 6 excellent basketball players, but they could struggle against a team with a lot of quickness and great ups.  Span is a terrific coach, and played himself against great athletes when the SUNYAC was a player on the national D-III scene, so he knows how to work around his team's limitations. 

Bears finished their season last night.  Per their pattern in recent years struggled at Laker Hall with their shooting, got open looks and couldn't knock them down.  Also struggled from the FT line, which was 10 points of the final margin.  Perioli has come out of a slump in the last two games, and Lakers are a much better team when he's scoring. 

Lakers are probably kicking themselves over their SUNYAC loss to Plattsburgh, as they probably had a clear shot to an NCAA bid if they hadn't melted down.


Bears will have big holes to fill with departure of Barton - nearly 1200 pts, over 700 rebounds, 200 assists in just three years, and Ducena, who is the all time school leader in 3 pt FG% at ~44%.  Two freshman started and a third was the 6th man, Dobb's needs to recruit some size and depth at a couple of spots to stay in the SUNYAC first division.

Signing off until next November.  Good Luck to Corts, Hamilton, Utica, and Fisher in the NCAA's

The BEAR

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on March 04, 2006, 11:12:11 am
As an Ithaca fan, would someone go tell the Oswego players that tonight is a huge game and their tourney hopes hinge on it. I figure that's the best way to make them play terrible.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on March 04, 2006, 11:59:22 am
Your right there are pockets of athleticism but not much.  Case in point, tonight Frank goes up for a layup misses it, gets his own board goes up again and has it blocked.  In a SUNYAC game thats an easy putback for him.  Span did a good job coaching tonight, especially when we looked lost against the press early.  Like I said tonight will be tough, gotta hit their FT's.  A win is a win though.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearseh on March 04, 2006, 05:28:17 pm
Yo bear...

My wifey prevailed and we did go to Oswego for the SoWhatWhoCares semis rather than Cort for the tournament. Yours made a wise decision. Mine didn't. Next time we coin toss for a basketball decision we're using my coin.

Major snooze in the barren north. Think a 2 pointer is entertaining? Ithaca and B'Port proved otherwise. Poorly played throughout. Only redeeming value was Ithaca's Bellis scoring from just inside the foul line with seconds on the clock for the win. He's a class act and played well all night. Two Bomber frosh, Burton and Bostic, also played solid minutes.

Brockport notable - with about 11 min to go, the Eagles, for the perhaps the first time this year, played aggressive man-to-man for 34 consecutive seconds. Yet, just before the shot clock expired, Sean Burton threw up a line drive jumper from the line and scored. He didn't call the bank, but was still counted ;) With those results, perhaps it's understandable why the Eagles just didn't bother playing D this season.

The most entertaining aspect of Potsdam/Oswego was the lead article in the campus newpaper, The Oswegonian, re: Board of Regents member Candace deBussey. Seems she has her undies in a bundle about a sex toy workshop The Womens Center is sponsoring on campus. Candace has once again forgotton that the campus is, for the most part, populated by adults who, from time to time, exercise free speech, and that the student association $$$ for the lecture actually is wholly contributed by the students. Had she seen the game, she might be more inclined to prohibit ball (of the basket variety) on campus.

As you know, Potsdam didn't show up - and coupled with the Lakers uncanny ability to win completely meaningless games...had a blowout by the half. 2nd half was played even, i.e. both played mediocre. Oswego's Roberson (6-3) was awarded the Trash Talker Least Able to Back It Up Award for jawing at Potsdam's Mitchell (5-7) after he actually scored over him. The mouth was one and done during that scoring spree when Broderick put him back on the pines after "I am the Greatest" hoisted a brick from 3 on the Lakers next possession. The Lakers Downing (23) did his best to wrest the Most Visible Underwear Award from Plattsburg's G-S, but I still give it to the North Country favorite based on the Cards NCAA appearance - while Downing only flashes in the minors. Props to Mat Burridge - plays extremely hard every night.

Given the importance of Saturday's final, Oswego by 20.

Always a pleasure viewing your posts. Very scary when opinions are fact-based. Clearly, mine aren't!

Hoping for the best from the Dragons tonight!

Anyone needing a ride to the Final Four in Salem, drop an email.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: KING on March 04, 2006, 06:12:57 pm
Cstate19.. what do you know about bad venues or athletes ???  You have never played a min. of competitive basketball in your life!  The sunyac has players that can play with some of the top players in the country at this level.  I was at the Cortland game as well last night and totally disagree about getting the ball to headly more.  He is at his best when he makes something out of nothing, O glass rebs. and put backs, steals and starting the transition game.  Over his carrier at Cortland, when he has high pt total games, Cortland losses!  That is bc the real money players were not on, in return costing them the game.  Cortland did come out flat and nervous though, hopefully this will not continue tonight, if it does it might end the season.  FTs will be very important along with turnovers, just like any sport when the postseason comes.... Whoever has less turnovers needs to play very bad to not win.  One thing they might be able to do against Tuffs is get out and run with the bigs, no substitute for easy buckets and free points for running the floor.  Another key point to look for in the game is the outside shooting of Cortland.  They have yet to have ANY player hit the 3 ball with any kind of consistency when the game is tight.  Even last night it was brick central until it was a double-digit lead and the pressure was off of the snipers.  Jdex I agree... maybe not one of the best Cstate teams of all time, but they do know how to win! Hope it continues tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on March 04, 2006, 07:17:22 pm
Cortland down 14-3 in the early going.  Ouch.

You can actually watch the game here:

http://www.jumbocast.net/index.php
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on March 04, 2006, 07:34:12 pm
Tufts - 20
Cortland - 18

4:30 left
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on March 05, 2006, 10:00:18 am
your right about not hitting any 3's ..........we prolly need you out there Kirch........maybe you meant career???? carrier is the dome i will be at rooting on the cuse today........LET'S GO ORANGE!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on March 05, 2006, 10:49:54 am
Maybe the word "Championship" next to "ECAC" really scared Oswego into choking last night. Congrats on a great career to the Oswego seniors and kudos to the Bombers for surprising everyone and taking home the ECAC championship.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: KING on March 05, 2006, 11:41:29 am
cortland played a great game last night and just came up short.  best game i've ever seen them play in recent years.  Simon played like an all-american, and taggart played one of his best ever as well.  came up just short but to a very solid Tuffs team who had to earn everything they got last night.  best team in my eyes won the game, but great year Cortland!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on March 07, 2006, 08:51:32 am
I have to give a call out to an old rival.  I know that SUNY Albany is now Division I but once upon a time they were Potsdam's greatest rival.  Doc Sauers vs Jerry Welsh.  There was never an empty seat when these two schools played.  Albany is one win away from a trip to the big dance and I wish them Great Luck.  The one big question that remains after all these years,  Would the win streak have been 60 games if the Albany/Potsdam game hadn't been cancelled because of the measles at Albany?  This is the first time I will be cheering for the Danes because I always love when David is giving a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: owen on March 11, 2006, 09:07:03 pm
Oh yeah. I remember those Albany v Potsdam games of the '70s and '80s. Those were like wars. It'll be sort of cool to see a SUNY school in the Div I NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: assassin on March 13, 2006, 03:45:01 pm
Now that all of the SUNYAC teams have officially concluded their seasons, let's start looking ahead towards next season prognistications.  Who are the early season favorites to win the YAC, and who are the early favorites for some of the individual honors.  As far as teams are concerned, I think that you have to look at these teams, in no particular order, as the early favorites with what they have coming back:


           OSWEGO:  Basically everyone is back except for Mims.

           GENESEO:  Everyone returns with no seniors on the roster this season.
                             That includes ROY Morton, and hopefully a healthy McDonnell.

           BROCKPORT:  I know Belluci and Cheves are gone, but they do have       
                                 Rother and a nice cast of Vanilla Ice's and Eminem's to go
                                 along with them.  Also, they may have a few guys coming
                                 off of suspensions (Harris and Williams).

           SUNYIT:  Good cast of athletic, explosive returning guards coming back
                          and you know Murphy will bring in some more talent.

Potsdam has to be right there as well with Brown and a nice group of returning young guys.  Plattsburgh too, with Williams, Dietz, Gorham, and co.

As far as Preseason Picks for AC go, here goes:

1st team:  Perioli-Oswego
                 Reaves-SUNYIT
                 Morton-Geneseo
                 Burridge-Oswego
                 Hedley-Cortland

2nd team:  Brown-Potsdam
                  Williams-Plattsburgh
                  Rother-Bport
                  Mozelle-B State
                  Gorham-Plattsburgh

HM:  Bien Amine-IT
        McDonnell-Geneseo
        Spears-Geneseo
        Laboard-IT
        Maggiacomo-Cortland
        Alassari-Fredonia
        Murphy-Oneonta
       
 

 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: retired12 on March 14, 2006, 07:48:19 pm
Barton and Belluci are first team all region.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cstate4 on March 15, 2006, 02:18:59 am
Yes well i have been reading the things you people have been putting up here these past few years and i have been disgusted with wat i have been reading recently. You guys totally forgot that Cortland will possibly be returning 13 players some you prolly no nothing about because they were playing behind great players such as Frank, Simon, Rodney and Scott. So yea there is a lot of talent returning for C-state in which they will prolly shock you guys again because we are being counted out again. We enjoy being the underdogs. So U worry about Sunyit who might not even get all those players back like Reeves yea Lambard will return cuz he's young and talented. Cortland will be a very veteran orientated team next year so continue to count us out we enjoy it.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cstate4 on March 15, 2006, 02:30:05 am
One more thing really y isnt cortland among the teams considered for next year maybe you guys should check the roster and look and find out also about some of the players returning. Please answer this though.
Why isnt Cortland considered one of the teams favored next year? >:(
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on March 15, 2006, 01:34:03 pm
Registration e-mail shows that Cstate4 is current Red Dragon hoopster Quentin Merrit, or someone that's using the e-mail address Merritt71@cortland.edu. Just figured I'd throw that out there.

In my view, Cortland is on the radar screen for next year, but the Dragons lose a lot of senior leadership. Next year, the Jutton and Headley class will be the senior class. Among those upperclassmen, someone's going to have to step into the leadership role that Ranieri and Skrelja had this past season. I think the bigger loss on the floor is Taggert. While Frank and Simon had leadership, Taggert had size and was a difference maker down low. Not all the teams in the SUNYAC have a big guy on the block. Two years ago, Potsdam had Eldon Harris and Christian Turner, each around 6'6-6'7. This year, Plattsburgh had Gibbs-Smith, Gorham and Hatch all 6'6 and above. And Cortland had Taggert. Without Taggert, Cortland is back to where they were before they had him. Cortland will contend, but they'll be in the middle of the pack. If I had to take a favorite right now, I'd say SUNYIT. Look what Coach Murphy did in just one year. Worst team in the league to SUNYAC championship game. Outside of SUNYIT, the entire league will be wide open.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: retired12 on March 15, 2006, 10:47:23 pm
Does anyone know when the All-American team are announced?....Also do Belluci and/or Barton have a chance?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: assassin on March 16, 2006, 03:00:27 pm
It looks like we have another "Gibbs-Smith" poster on our hands in CState4.  You know, one of those insecure players  who, instead of letting his play do his talking, has to come on here and try to make a case for himself and his team.  At least GS actually had the opportunity to let his play speak for him...your ass was on the bench this season.  Which leads me to my next point.  If what Cortland State has coming back was so good then Span would have found a way to get you some minutes.  I have no problem in saying that Hedley, Jutton, and Maggiacomo are talented, but as for you and the rest...respect is earned not given.  Let your play do the talking next year.  I like to hear some other opinions as to who they project to be the upper tier of the YAC next year.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: docksider on March 18, 2006, 02:19:13 am
DV, you need to look a little closer.  No doubt that C-state has big shoes to fill in losing Scott, Simon, and Frank, but they have a lot of talent returning.  There's a bunch of guys, QM included, who played big roles this season and last.  The line-up at C-state seems very strategic or role oreinted.  See earlier references to point guard by committee in this forum.  And when Simon came off the bench, was it to replace Taggart or the starting point guard of the week?

The other thing to keep in mind is player determination. Frank and Simon were often starters on one of the worst teams in C-state history and they were the keys to one of the best.  Many of the recruits who came after them were better than they were as freshmen; the question remains whether they will become as good as Frank and Simon did as juniors and seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bimbo coles on July 07, 2006, 11:34:47 am
Bad news out of Oswego, Nick Perioli PG for the Lakers is awaiting ACL and MCL surgery from and injury sustained in June.. My best wishes for a speedy return.. The Lakers with out him, are in trouble..
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on July 24, 2006, 11:52:46 am
Cortland awaiting word from NCAA regarding petition to have Scott Taggart eligible for another season. Incoming recruits include pair of big men (6-6ish) from Syracuse area
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thumbsup on September 04, 2006, 09:27:26 pm
Who is the leading candidate for the SunyIT job?  I have heard some interesting names but things have been tight lipped down in Utica.  Rumor has it Bill Mitchell from Potsdam St. (remember him??)  wants to get back into coaching.  Would be a wonderful choice for the Wildcats. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thumbsup on September 04, 2006, 09:32:26 pm
Predictions for 06-07

The only thing that is sure is that Cortland is got to be a tip pick getting 6th year seniors extra seasons.  Any other predictions
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on September 05, 2006, 10:51:38 am
Sixth year senior? Don't think so. Eligibility question goes back to J.C. days when he encountered some medical problems. Played one season w/Cortland. BUT it says here Taggart wasn't granted another season w/Red Dragons.

What's the story at SUNY Tech? Murph gone? Retiring?

New Paltz has new facility for Coach Doug P.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on September 21, 2006, 11:32:16 am
Thanks to Liberty board we learn Murphy exits Utica Tech for D1 Northeastern in Boston where onetime Hamilton pupil Bill Coen is head coach. Murphy will assist and return to cny for NE's opening game in mid-November vs. Syracuse.
And UT's new skipper is ....................
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on October 15, 2006, 04:20:22 pm
UT's new coach is an old one -- Kevin Grimmer retakes reins

Hoops are back ......must be mid-October

Openers Nov. 17 ......Buff St. vs. Clark in BS tourney, Geneseo vs. Lake Erie, Plattsburgh vs. Conn Coll in Rutg-Newk tourney, Oberlin at Bport in Bport tourney, Oswego vs. Caz in Osw tourney, Freds at Naz tourney, Pdam tourney, Oneonta at W&L tourney, SUNYIT at Utica tourney

And on Nov. 18 .......Cortland at CCNY, Bport vs. Pitt-Bradford, NPaltz vs. Brooklyn Coll,  and tourney wrapups ....

Among other interesting early tests:  Pdam at NYU and Bport at SJF on Nov. 21; BS at Rochester tourney Nov. 25-26
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: retired12 on October 15, 2006, 10:14:20 pm
Any word if the Mitchell to SUNYIT rumor was creditable?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on October 16, 2006, 09:08:29 am
i dont think mitchell would leave potsdam, his wife is the DA up there. anyone heard how practices have went? any new comings and goings?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: retired12 on October 16, 2006, 08:31:09 pm
I am aware of his wife's lofty North Country status, but a rumor was out that he was interested.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on October 17, 2006, 11:51:50 am
well i understand your concern for your former coach but i think he's got a cushy job at potsdam. how's med school going?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 02, 2006, 10:49:31 pm
Cortland gives good account in scrimmage vs. Hobart, whose Statesmen make the trip on snowy night. Weather delays start, but not the Red Dragons. Hosts win opening half by about 10. Second half even on last-second Hobart hoop.

Cortsl certainly with different look, as in smaller. But it's a good shooting, quick and deep outfit. Headley, Jutton, Maggiacomo, Fish, Jankiewicz lead the way. Returning soph C. Niehoff up front with Q. Merritt. Couple of 6-5 frosh from Syracuse area will play including 240-lb P. Oliver once his football season concludes.

Next up: Scrimmage with Nazareth Nov. 12
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: go_cards on November 03, 2006, 10:36:04 am
Does anyone think the Cards will go back to back ?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 03, 2006, 11:36:00 am
From early reports it appears Pburghers definite favorite. Supposedly 11 returnees!

How bout Oswego Perioli's status from serious early summer knee trouble?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: go_cards on November 03, 2006, 04:31:52 pm
Wow without Nick Oswego could be in trouble. Who will be the back up?

Can Plattsburgh go far without GS?
Gorham and williams will have to step up big time.


My top 4 teams

1-Cortland
2-Plattsburgh
3-Buff State
4-Brockport

What do everyone think?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 03, 2006, 10:59:24 pm
1. Cortland is a stretch. Lost a bunch up front in Ranieri and Taggart, plus key swingman Skrelja -- super sixth man. Will be respectable, maybe more should youth arrive inside.

Sure have to look at Plattsburgh's veteran dotted array. Awful early to get a line on others, BUT don't sleep on New Paltz. Dougie P. is all smiles, and for more reasons than he took a bride on 9/9. Hawks bring back a slew -- J. Hauser (15.4 ppg, 6 rpg, 80 assists), bro M. Hauser, guard M. Irwin (10.2 ppg), J. Sugrue among brigade. But key figure will be 6-6 A. Foluke-Henderson, who missed last season after 16.3 ppg, 7 rpg previous winter. Hefty frosh crew featuring 6-6 pair, 6-5 pair. AND NP has 12/31 date in Hawaii (honeymooning?) vs. D2 Chaminade. Yes, that Chaminade, which hosts Maui Invite this month and meets UCLA in first round!!

Geneseo was senior-less last season with a team including McDonell, Spears, Bennett, Scieera, T. Kitson (SUNYAC top rookie two years back), Kelly, Muchnick.

Fredonia has seven holdovers led by Alassari (13 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 79 assists), Gordon, Moore

Always interesting at Buff St. Bengals certainly lead `name game' -- Ishmael Skylark ripe for `Boomer's list? He's junior guard from CA. Also have Kojo, Pee Wee, Californian DJ and Bubba. Vets include 6-6 sr. Dante Griggs (10.4 ppg, 5 rpg), 6-4 swingman C. Hepburn, 6-6 Dion Mozelle (12.7 ppg), and sr. guard Jay Wingate
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on November 04, 2006, 10:14:52 am
Sleeper team in the SUNYAC is Geneseo, lot of returners and play well diciplined ball.  my projections are:

Geneseo
Potsdamn
Plattsburgh
Buff state
Cortland
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on November 04, 2006, 03:51:15 pm
Geneseo also has a big guy from last year that started coming on toward the end of the year to take away minutes from Sciera. His last name is Howe and I thought he was the best freshmen towards the end of last year. Also, Muchnick isn't with them anymore, last I knew he is patrolling the sidelines with Tommy S at Cortland and did so last year.

One thing on NP, they always seem to bring in huge freshmen classes and then they disappear after first semester and sometimes before that. Maybe their new facility will keep them there.

Potsdam loses Barton and Ducena, everything else is back including some promising sophomores who were freshmen last year.

Plattburgh will be a better TEAM without Gibbs-Smith. Who knows what type of juco's they brought in, usually talented ones though. Without question the team to beat. Curle has done an exceptional job bringing a mix of freshmen, jucos, and transfers.

Oneonta brings Heslin back for a 5th year. Is Reed playing again? The loss of Coffey could hurt them because of his deadly shooting, just ask Potsdam.

Buff St., who knows with them. The players they have back are extremely talented. I'm sure their incoming players are very good because anyone who can spell their name can get in there. Their talent could explode in more ways then one at any moment.

Cortland loses a ton scoring and leadership from graduation. They should reload and be good again how Spanbauer adjusts to his new team.

Brockport gets a couple of players back from suspension, both who have potential to be all league this year. Some transfers at mid-semester have always changed the face of the Eagles every year, who will they bring in next?

Fredonia lost quite a bit from last year's squad. Depending on their recruiting class it could be another tough one in cold and snowy Buffalo.

SUNYIT has Grimmer back in controls, lets just say thats a huge downgrade from current Northeastern assistant Tom Murphy. We'll see how the players adjust and how Grimmer handles having a ton of talent.

Oswego's outlook basically depends on having Perioli. If they don't have him, they could be in trouble. He has controlled that team for 3 years and I think Broderick was counting on him to finally make a run to the NCAA. Losing Mims will hurt but they do have the best big man in the league in Matt Burridge.

Well thats it for now, let's get some reports back from scrimmages and exhibition games soon.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 04, 2006, 04:45:20 pm
Not exactly true that Cortland lost ton of scoring ........lost power in Ranieri and Taggart, and key swingman Skrelja, but much firepower returns.

Yes, Reed returning to Oneonta along with 6-7 Heslin. Both on injured reserve last winter. Oneonta also brings back league HM J. Murphy, 6-3 sr who averaged 11.8 ppg and 5.8 rpg, plus sr. M. Reardon, 6-7 soph R. Morin, E. Batt and others.

And, yes, don't think any foes will sleep on Geneseo. Plenty of vets

Utica Tech should frighten with C. Reaves (17.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 125 assists, 75 stls), C. LaBoard (14 ppg, 5 rpg), C. Plante (71x173 3s, 11 ppg) and A. Gilkes (10 ppg, 9 rpg).

Brockport has work to do. Lost Bellucci, Rother, Cheves, Amparo. Returns D. Maldonado (8.9 ppg) as 6-5 frontliner and D. Rubertone (8.8 ppg)

Potsdam probably has some recruits to replace some pretty fair losses. Among holdovers are 6-7 B. Siskavich (8.1 ppg) and backcourters S. Mitchell and D. Taft, plus 6-4 sr. J. Hall, 6-2 guard D. Brown (7.4 ppg), Reinhardt, Dike
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on November 04, 2006, 08:32:08 pm
you're right jdex, i thought jutton was gone too. i believe he is the trajan langdon of the sunyac, it seems like he has been there forever. though scoring might on the inside will be a factor, they did lose a ton of leadership with ranieri and skjeljia (sp?).
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: unbearable on November 04, 2006, 08:54:09 pm
Happy November, everyone!  Hope it has been a happy and healthy year for all of you. 

If The Bear has any insights on Potsdam's squad, they would be much appreciated.

See you when the games begin.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on November 04, 2006, 11:48:32 pm
SUNYIT doesn't have the key ingredient...Coach Murphy.

I think thats a big difference in the 'Cats.

Jdex, if you remember, I thought highly of New Paltz last year with everyone returning. And they promptly went out and pooped it up. Unfortunately I think the same may happen this year. Doug is a good coach but I don't think the talent back is going to be the difference - it wasn't last year.

Plattsburgh has a lot back but loses Gibbs-Smith. That hurts. He and Anthony Williams were the heart and soul of that team down the stretch. They'll still be tough but I'm not sure they win it all again. Hard to improve upon their stretch run but not having Gibbs-Smith hurts.

Cortland, well, they're back like they were before Taggert. No presence in the middle and lots of guards chucking up three's. No Ranieri either. Hell of a job by Frank and Simon Skrelja to take that program from the basement of the conference up to the regular season champ and a NCAA playoff appearance. They'll be troublesome to opponents but without inside play, they won't have the special ingredient. I'm not sold on the Big Q down low after he came on this board and talked junk after the end of the season. He's got big shoes to fill. But, I think Maggiacomo-Jutton-Headley could be one of the best threesomes in the league.

It'll be some interesting times in the SUNYAC this year. I'm a little sad I won't be up at the Pete anymore. Oh well, it'll be 70 here in Virginia on Thursday. I'll survive LOL.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: go_cards on November 05, 2006, 10:04:55 pm
Rumors say that Plattsburgh has a D-1 transfers that plays the same as Mr. GS. Where do Curle find these good players?   ;D

Does anyone have a list of juco and transfers he has in the past?


This is going to be a good year for basketball.

G0 Cards

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bimbo coles on November 06, 2006, 11:41:11 am
sunyac will be interesting i am looking forward to see how things play out.. some teams that have been out of the running for a while could come out on top..

front runners seem to be and i say seem to be..

potsdam
platts
geneseo
utica tech
cortland...

like said who knows with buff state
and can alassari lead fredonia? i question his leadrship at times.
will perioli play the year, after having acl surgery in june?? loss of mims will hurt as well.
will NP or o-state make some noise this year??
can brockport recover after monster losses, rother, belucci, cheeves?
who will step up this year?
it's almost time.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 07, 2006, 04:45:29 pm
You have to admire Buff St. for publicizing this one ......Bengals dropped 91-48 exhibition to D1 UB last Friday.

Certainly little to cheer about if you're Buff St fan. Shoot 15x52fg (5x24 1st half), 1x11 3s. Down 43-23 at half. D.J. Nubine-Mitchell, 6-4 jr guard from CA sees most minutes (25) and shoots 1x6fg, 2 pts, 3 stls. I. Skylark in 20' is 0x8fg, 2 pts; D. Mozelle 2 pts in 22', 6-6 sr. D. Griggs 0 pts, 4pf in 8', C. Hepburn 0 pts. (0x3fg)) in 9', 6-7 NYC frosh A. Samedi 10 pts (6x8ft) in 22', K. Wood 5x5fg, 4 reb. in 18'.  Bulls 35x65fg
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: BBM on November 09, 2006, 11:22:26 am
Potsdam plays a nonleague game last night against Algonquin College of CAnada. Algonquin was strong at guard, not much for big men. Brandon Siskavich and Tim Reinhart were both impressive on the boards and running the court for Potsdam. Scott Mitchell played another steady game at the point, making the perfect pass at all the right times. Team will be deaper this year as last year's group of freshman have gained confidence. New kid out of Syracuse looks like he'll be a contributor by midseason.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on November 09, 2006, 12:06:24 pm
Potsdam doesn't have any new kids from Syracuse. They do have a juco transfer by the name of Jeff Riker that went to school at OCC, but he is from Dryden. Another player for them is Anthony Williams, a solid combo guard from Long Island. I would imagine those are the two players you are talking about.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: BBM on November 11, 2006, 05:17:57 pm
Yes, Jeff Riker is the player that I was referring to. Anthony plays with lots of confidence but just didn't seem to be able to finish. I certainly shouldn't judge him much on his 8 or 9 minutes though.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 12, 2006, 05:23:58 pm
Cortland in home Sunday workout vs. Nazareth and gives positive showing. Better than against Hobart, and that wasn't bad. This team can shoot. Maggiacomo unconscious along with Jutton. CState by 10 at half and 15 through 40'. Jr. 6-8, 260 J. Sargent opens at center and does well. Jr. 6-5 swingman M. Jankiewicz quite visible in all facets. Another '3' threat. Certainly hold their own off boards. Frosh 6-6 M. Lewis a comer, and 6-6, 255 frosh P. Oliver sees first competitive action.
Cortland has numbers. Down the liners simply trample Naz counterparts. Frosh guard W. Coston quite the spark.
Naz expected to contend in E8. Frosh guard C. McAdam  an eyeful. Jr. bro R. McAdam injured and didn't play. Last season's scoring whiz J. Canori has tough day
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on November 15, 2006, 09:55:17 am
It looks like Cortland will be living and dying by the 3 this year. Quite unusual for a Spanbauer team. I guess you have to adjust to the players that he has. When he had Tom Williams, it was set Tom screens and let him go to work. Then it was onto Hi-Lo game with the bigs. And the past couple of years it has been spread them out penetrate and pitch. We'll see how the rest of the SUNYAC adjusts to this.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on November 15, 2006, 04:18:59 pm
just stopping by...........still active on the football boards
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 16, 2006, 12:12:26 am
Can anyone give a report on Brockport?  I am far removed from that and the Brockport Athletics site won't give you any info.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on November 16, 2006, 10:37:31 am
Brockport loses a ton of scoring from last year's team. They do get Brandon Williams and Shaun Harris back for a year's suspension because of questionable administrative decisions. They also get a couple of guys like Bobby Brooks and Dave Maldonoldo back from injuries. They jury is out on who else they brought in. I heard they have a couple of players that are older and should help with their old man strength. I do believe that both Williams and Harris can't play in the first couple of games, but I'm not sure. They do have Dan Rubertone and his toughness around the basket, along with Mychal Wilkes and his 3 point shooting. Any other reports from them? I know they usually scrimmage a host of Rochester area schools.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jbl2006 on November 16, 2006, 10:31:12 pm
Anybody know what happened with Rother?  I thought he had another year left?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on November 17, 2006, 12:19:37 am
Thanks Slicky for the info. +k
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on November 17, 2006, 11:31:05 am
Last I knew Rother was transferring to Salisbury. I haven't checked their roster but that was the news at the end of last year. I don't think Whitmore was going to welcome him and his attitude back.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on November 17, 2006, 11:35:12 am
I just checked and Rother is not on their roster either. Not sure of his whereabouts. Either way it would be 4 different schools for college. Cortland, MCC, Brockport, and ?????
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 17, 2006, 12:38:32 pm
30 minutes to tip time for SUNYAC .....

Veteran Geneseo faces Lake Erie at 1 in Rochester tourney opener (UR/Ithaca at 8)

Plattsburgh in 5:30 test vs. always rugged Conn College in Rutgers-Newark tourney (R-N/PS-Abington)

Much improved (we think) Oneonta at 6 vs. VA's Averett (20-8 last winter) in Wash&Lee tourney (W&L/Denison)

SUNYIT at 6 vs. Keuka in Utica Coll tourney (UC/PSmiths)

Potsdam hosts tonight vs. Green Mtn (Castleton/Clarkson)

Buff St. hosting tonight vs. Clark at 8 (Fisher/Pt Park)

Brockport tourney tonight has Eagles vs. Oberlin (PittBradford/St.Larry). Meets PB Saturday in preset pairings (?)

Fredonia vs. Keystone St. in Naz tourney tonight

Oswego (Perioli on roster) tourney host tonight at 8 vs. Caz (Purchase/Lehman)

As for Rother, was seen at Cortland/Naz scrimmage last weekend at CState. Attitude, eh? Corts wouldn't know anythng about that, he said cynically.
And, Cortland opener on Saturday vs. CCNY will be played at NYC's Lehman College at 1
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 17, 2006, 04:16:09 pm
Geneseo falls 85-76 to Lake Erie after leading 35-33 at half. T. Kitson 25 pts, 6 rebs; G. Spears 13 pts; S. Morton 7 assts; B. Bennett 10 assts; S. Sciera 8 pts, 8 rebs.  Knights on Saturday at 1 meet loser of tonight's tourney host Naz vs. Morrisville go

Fredonia in recent 64-50 exhibition win over Canada's Fleming College. T. Alassari 14 pts, 7 assts; K. Reichlmayr, Monticello frosh g B. Cooper 12 pts each
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on November 17, 2006, 05:04:38 pm
Actually, Geneseo will play the loser of the Ithaca-UR game.  It's Fredonia that's at the Naz tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 17, 2006, 05:44:57 pm
Caz, just realized error of my ways. Had it right at the top of sked in my prior post, too. Thanks for the catch. Indeed, Fredonia in Naz fest vs. Keystone St. before Naz/Morrisville.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2006, 02:01:26 am
Buffalo St.  beats Clark 88-74 at BS, overcoming 45-28 halftime hole by outscoring guests 60-29 over final 20'. K. Wood 21 pts(11x14ft), 8 assts, 3 stls, 7 reb in 32' BS showing. D. Griggs 11 pts(4x6fg), 10 rebs; C. Hepburn 9 pts, 9 rebs. Bengals 12x32fg in 1st half, then 19x31. Go 25x39ft. Play Point Park (97-69 over Fisher) in tourney final. PP with 53-26 lead at half. Fish 11x41fg in first half

Plattsburgh falls 55-52 to Conn College in Rutgers-Newark tourney. For Cards K. Hunt 21 pts, A. Mioller 13. Play PS-Abington in consi

Oswego in own tourney belts Caz 114-60. Frosh M. Jabbi 20 pts(9x13fg), 10 rebs. He's 6-5, 180 from Bronx. D. White, K. Reuter 16 pts each, E. Roberson 15 pts, 8 rebs; M. Burridge 13 pts, 10 rebs. Lakers 54% from field. No Perioli. Lehman over Purchase 70-58

Oneonta loses 71-55 to Averett of Va. in Wash & Lee tourney. OState outscored in 19-0 spell over 35-14 first half run. E. Brratt 19 pts, 6 rebs; W. Heslin 14 pts, 6 rebs. Dragons vs. Denison (82-71 slip to W&L) in consi

SUNYIT past Keuka 110-60 at Utica College tourney. Meets UC (104-37 over PSmith) in final

Fredonia rallies past Keystone 56-54 in Naz tourney opener. Keystone up 37-30 at break. T. Alassari 3pter and ft's pull Freds even at 54. K. Reichlmayr ft at :35 provides lead. Alassari 16 pts (3x7 3s), 8 rebs, 4 assts in 33'; frosh B. Cooper 12 pts; frosh K. Saunders 10 pts; K. Gordon 8 rebs. Up against Naz (91-69 over Morrisville)

Potsdam blitzes Green Mountain 82-57 and will meet Clarkson (65-46 over Castleton). B. Siskavich 22 pts, 7 rebs; J. Hall 9 rebs; T. Reinhardt 15 pts(6x13fg); S. Mitchell 13 pts. Bears 47-24 at half; shoot 32x67fg

Geneseo gets Ithaca in Rochester tourney consi. UR over IC 81-72

Brockport beats Oberlin 78-66 in Bport tourney
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2006, 10:26:24 am
At Bport, Eagles seize 34-31 halftime edge and break away from knot at 61at 6:44 with 11-3 run vs. Ohio's Oberlin. Soph 6-2 J. Clark from Liverpool with 14 pts (2 3s), 6 rebs; D. Rubertone 13 pts, 9 rebs; M. Wilkes 13 pts, 5 stls. Outboarded 42-32 but O's with 32 turnovers to host's 17. Bport 18x24ft, 13 stls. Meets Pitt-Bradford today in preset pairings. P-B fell 79-72 to St. Larries who overcame two point deficit at half with 61% shooting in final period. Sophs T. Wopperer (20 pts, 4x6 3s), B. Vonnak (17 pts, 6 rebs, 4 assts) pace win
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2006, 01:31:58 pm
In addition to tourney completions today ....

Cortland opens vs. CCNY at Lehman in NYC this afternoon, and New Paltz debuts tonight at home vs. Brooklyn College

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2006, 06:10:14 pm
Cortland over CCNY 58-56 in NYC

Geneseo takes Ithaca 78-67 in Naz consi match. Soph S. Morton all tourney with 18 pts(5x10fg, 4x5 3s), 5 blks, 4 rebs, 3 stls); S. Sciera 19 pts(7x10fg) in 17'; J. Kling 11 pts; G. Spears 10 pts; T. Kitson 11 rebs; B. Bennett 5 assts)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2006, 06:30:48 pm
Point Park 99, Buffalo St. 82 in BS tourney final

Utica College 99, SUNYIT 82 in UC tourney final where hosts' D. Herring (23 pts) MVP. Pioneers ahead 47-42 at break. For Tech, C. Reaves 32 pts (10x17fg, 8x11 3s), 5 assts in 37'; C. Laboard 14 pts; C. Plante 12 pts; A. gilkes 12 rebs. UC 44-30 board advantage. Tech 27x64fg

Potsdam outgunned 58-55 by Clarkson in Pdam tourney final. Clarkson 33-25 at half. Pdam 15x50fg, 20x21ft, outboarded 39-27. D. Brown 14 pts (4x15fg); J. Hall 10 rebs; S. Mitchell 12 pts (3x7 3s); B. Siskavich 11 pts (3x10fg). Clarkson's E.J. Harrison 19 pts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2006, 06:44:57 pm
Oswego wins its tourney in 76-54 style over Lehman. Shoots 26x53fg as E. Roberson nets 25 pts(10x16fg); K. Reuter 16(5x14fg); M. Burridge 11 (5x6fg); T. Franze 10 pts(3x4fg); M. Jabbi 7 pts and 8 rebs. Lakers lead 38-28 at intermission
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2006, 07:45:45 pm
Fredonia rally falls short in final of Naz tourney where Naz prevails 66-61 behind mvp J. Canori's 26 pts. Freds down 39-21 at half and 45-21 with 15:53 to play. Freds score 30 of next 38 points to get within 53-51 on all-tourney K. Reichelmayr hoop at 3:16. Tight thereafter. A. Smith all tourney with 15 pts, B. Cooper 11 pts. Fredonia 37-32 glass edge. T. Alassari 5 pts and 4pf in 25' stint

Cortland win features D. Maggiacomo's 32 pts(11x20fg, 5x13 3s), R. Headley 6 pts, 5 rebs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 19, 2006, 01:47:19 am
Brockport flogs Pitt-Bradford 105-80 as six Eagles score double digits led by benchman S. Johnson's 20 pts (4x4fg, 10x11ft) in 16', and starters D. Maldonado (16 pts, 9 rebs), J. Clarke (13 pts), M. Wilkes (12 pts, 5 assts), A. Poles 11 pts, 5 assts), D. Rubertone (10 pts). Bport sets 53-34 halftime pace. Ends 30x60fg, 36x50ft, 48 rebs

Plattsburgh downs Penn St.-Abington 73-68 in Rutgers-Newark tourney consi. Jr. R. Rider 17 pts, 13 rebs; All Classic K. Hunt 12 pts, 7 rebs, 3 stls, 2 blks; soph M. Dietz 12 pts; sr. J. Dumont 12 pts; Tanzania frosh froward Y. Mwamuntyange also recognized. Hosts over Conn College 64-63 in final

Oneonta beaten 77-62 by Denison in Wash & Lee tourney consi. Dragons 22x63fg led by W. Heslin 22 pts(8x13fg, 2x4 3s); E. Bratt 17 pts(7x13fg, 2x8 3s). Denison ahead 33-21 at half

New Paltz christens new athletic center with 94-63 romp past Brooklyn College. T. Cannon 20 pts(9x12fg); M. Hauser 13 pts, 7 rebs; A. Foluke-Henderson 12 pts, 6 rebs. Hawks in 51-31 control through 20'. Have 56-34 board margin

Cortland's R. Headley with game-winning 12-foot bank shot at :04 vs. CCNY. Dragons out to 13-2 lead but turnovers hurt. Soph C. Niehoff key 3-pter down the stretch
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on November 19, 2006, 10:59:36 am
Rother transferred to William Paterson and is listed on the roster.

Who knows why he chose Paterson, outside of the fact that they have a decent chance of competing for a national championship this year.

Good player but credibility is ruined after playing for four schools in five years. Though, I'm not sure if he actually stepped on the floor at MCC since he still has eligibility remaining.

Weird story.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on November 20, 2006, 03:57:08 pm
Thanks for the Rother infor John.

Did anyone else notice Potsdam's loss to Clarkson? I think that is a bad loss. Maybe Clarkson's newcomers made a difference. Another possibility is Potsdam's head got a little big and they couldn't make it through the doors of Maxcy Hall. They must remember that good teams at the D3 level aren't led by freshmen and sophomores, they are lead by upperclassmen.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: retired12 on November 20, 2006, 07:37:55 pm
Slickyquick, I was at the Potsdam-Clarkson game on sat and I think you hit the nail on the head. Potsdam's freshman and sophomores played lethargic the entire game and were lucky to even make the game that close. They got killed on the boards, made careless turnovers and were out-hustled in all aspects of the game. After watching this game I was embarressed to be associated with the school and felt bad for coach Dobbs. He coached his ass off and tried to fire the guys up, but I guess they just dont have it. Its going to be a long season in the north country if something doesnt change quickly.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on November 21, 2006, 09:54:12 am
Maybe a good wakeup call for the Bears will be tonight when they take on NYU. The Violets return All-American Jason Boone and a slew of others. It will be a homecoming for many of the Bears but they might just want to hop on the bus back to Potsdam if they are going to play like they did against Clarkson.

Where are all the other Bear followers, did they hop off the bandwagon after the nice little run of the past 3 years?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 21, 2006, 11:55:50 am
Potsdam at NYU certainly one interesting pairing tonight, another takes Brockport to SJF. Then there's Plattsburgh home to Norwich, Oswego greeting Morrisville, Cortlands at Elmirans, Techmen of Utica at Mt. St. Vincent
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 21, 2006, 10:16:27 pm
Cortland whips host Elmira 99-56, shooting 14x25 3s. Ahead 50-25 at midway point. D. Maggicomo 18 pts (7x12fg, 4x8 3s) in 28'; M. Jankiewicz 14 pts (4x6fg, 3x4 3s) 5 reb) in 14'; J. Miolan 12 pts (5x6fg, 2x2 3s) in 13'; R. Headley 12 pts. in 20'; M. Schaller 4 assts. Dragons 26x70fg; 12 players score. Elmira's M. Keating 15 pts (6x10fg

NYU 77, Potsdam 67
Plattsburgh 72, Norwich 55
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: retired12 on November 21, 2006, 10:16:39 pm
Potsdam falls to NYU 77-67.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 21, 2006, 10:36:34 pm
Brockport beats SJF 97-86 for only third SJF home loss in last 55 games. Bport leads 37-36 at half and finishes 14x30 3s (35x76fg). M. Wilkes 17 pts (6x10fg, 3x6 3s) in 25'; B. Williams 17 pts (7x18fg, 10 reb in 29'; D. Maldonado 15 pts(4x9 3s) off bench; J. Clarke 11 pts off bench; A. Poles 14 pts(3x8 3s). D. McSweeney 24 pts. for Fisher. SJF leads 45-44 at 16:12 before I. Mack layup for reversal. Bport 72-56 at 9'. SJF within 83-77 at 3:12. Clarke delivers big 3 for Eagles, whose free throwing keeps SJF at arm's length
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 21, 2006, 10:58:59 pm
Plattsburgh in 32-19 lead at half and finishes 47%fg with five in double figures: T. Gorham 15 pts (16reb); A. Miller 12 pts (11 assts); K. Hunt 13 pts, R. Rider 11, M. Dietz 10

Potsdam bows to 3-0 Violets who hold 33-24 lead. NYU ahead 70-55 with 3:30 left before Pdam 9-0 run tightens it at 2'. T. Reinhard 14 pts(6x15fg), 4 assts, 4 rebs before fouling out. B. Siskavich also dq'd with 5 pts. S. Mitchell 13 pts(4x6fg) and J. Riker 10 pts. off bench (4x6fg, 2x4 3s). Bears 26x54fg (8x17 3s)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 21, 2006, 11:01:00 pm
Oswego 76, Morrisville 59
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 22, 2006, 12:23:25 am
Oswego rolling 42-32 at half and winds up 26x62fg led by T. Franze 17 pts(7x11fg) in 31'; M. Burridge 16 pts(6x13fg), 13reb, 3stl in 32'; K. Reuter 15 pts(4x7fg, 3x6 3s), 3 stls; T. Downing 3 assts

SUNYIT roasts Mount St. Vincent 101-76 on road. A. Gilkes 18 pts(8x13fg), 9 rebs; C. Laboard 17 pts(5x12fg); C. Reaves 15 pts(6x12fg, 3x4 3s), 3 stls, 7 assts; E. Belone 14 pts(7x13fg). Tech 49-36 halftime margin. Hits 39x71fg with 46-34reb gap
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 26, 2006, 06:30:19 pm
Buffalo St. this afternoon tops Wash & Jeff 83-71 at Rochester. Bengals, 2-1, bolt to 51-42 intermission lead on 23x37fg. Wind up 29x57 from the field. D. Griggs 21 pts(7x11fg), B. Wood 13 pts(6x13fg), D. Mozelle 11 pts(3x6fg). W&J 0-5 and fell 76-44 to UR in Saturday matinee. Buffs vs. UR Monday night
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 28, 2006, 12:32:49 am
Buffalo St. drops 88-57 verdict at Rochester on Monday night to even Bengals record at 2-2. UR shoots 58%fg led by U. Ndubizu 21 pts(9x10fg). BS trails 39-24 at half and 73-49 with 6:08 left. Bubba Wood 16 pts in 19' in reserve role for Bengals. D. Griggs 10 pts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 28, 2006, 03:28:36 pm
Trio of conference games tonight and four other SUNYACs in action:

3-0 Oswego at 1-1 Geneseo, 1-1 Fredonia at 3-0 Brockport, 2-0 Cortland at 0-2 Oneonta

2-1 SUNYIT hosts Paul Smith, 1-0 New Paltz at Vassar (tourney 1st round nightcap after Bard vs. Mt. St. Mary; consi & final Wednesday), 1-2 Potsdam at Clarkson in rematch of Pdam tourney final won by Clarkson, 2-1 Plattsburgh at St. Lawrence
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 29, 2006, 01:56:41 am
Unbeaten Brockport overcomes 32-25 Fredonia halftime lead.  Several second half ties, first at 38 on M. Wilkes' 3pter at 14:30. Later at 57 at 4:21 when S. Harris ft and S. Johnston trey boost Eagles. A. Poles 14 pts, Wilkes 12 pts, assts, 5 stls; B. Williams 11 pts; Harris 4 assts. Bpots 22x55fg, Freds 22x53 and led by K. Reichlmayr 15 pts(7x10fg) in 25' and playing with foul trouble. K. Saunders 14 pts; T. Alassari 4 stls, 8 pts, 6 assts, 6 turnvrs; M. Moore 5 assts. Freds with 29 trnvrs

Geneseo over guest Oswego 82-70. Lakers ahead 42-39 at half and get 25 pt(10x14fg) game from T. Franze, who adds 6 rebs, 4 stls, 3 assts in 37'. Geneseo shoots 29x55 from floor, outboards Oswego 37-26 and lands deciding 23x32ft to Lakers' 8x16. S. Sciera off bench has 17 pts(6x10fg) in 20' for winners, whose T. Kitson has 16 pts(6x12fg), J. Kling 15 pts(5x9fg), 9 rebs, 6 stls in 36'. For Oswego, E. Robertson has 17 pts, 3 stls in 35' reserve role; M. Burridge 10 pts

Oneonta wins first with 74-67 stopping of Cortland. W. Heslin with 18 pts(6x13fg), 10 reb, 3 assts, 2 stls in 29' show for homestanding OState. E. Bratt 14 pts(5x10fg, 4x6 3s), R. Morin off bench for 13 pts(4x5fg) in 15'. OState 33-30 lead at half and always keep Corts at arm's length in second half. CState 23x59fg and 8x20 beyong arc led by D. Maggiacomo 21 pts(7x17fg, 4x7 3s). M. Jankiewicz 16 pts(7x11fg, 2x6 3s) in 20'; R. Headley 15 pts(4x15fg), 9 reb in 35'. OState 28x57fg and 6x11 3s)

Potsdam beaten 74-63 at Clarkson to spoil T. Reinhardt's 32 pt (15x23) night. He scores 16 of Bears' first 24 points on 7x10fg, and adds 7 rebs. B. Siskavich 12 pts. Pdam down 52-37 and closes within 6 to 3-0 Knights, who beat Bears by 3 in recent tourney final

SUNYIT clips Paul Smith 90-66 at home behind A. Gilkes 19 pts, 12 rebs. E. Belone 17 pts, LK Miller 10 pts, JP Adams 9 pts, 8 rebs in 11'. C. Reaves has eye cut to limit play to 21' and 6 pts

Plattsburgh falls 71-59 at 4-0 St. Lawrence which makes 13x25 3s. T. Gorham 22 pts, 12 rebs for Cards

New Paltz loses 77-72 at Vassar in opening round of Hudson Valley Shootout. NP yields 60-51 lead at 7:14 as hosts land three straight treys. Earlier NP overcomes 37-30 Vassar lead. J. Hauser 17 pts, T. Cannon 13 pts, frosh P. Oliver 13 pts for Hawks who meet Bard in Wednesday consi

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: UCgrad45 on November 29, 2006, 08:50:37 am
"C. Reaves has eye cut to limit play to 21' and 6 pts"

Did he return after? Hope he is ok, the guy can play.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: JQV on November 29, 2006, 08:58:09 am
Lots of game summaries here.  Can someone give me a breakdown of the SUNYAC this season?  What did the pre-season coaches poll say, who are the teams to watch, who are the players to watch, etc?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on November 29, 2006, 10:26:37 am
Jose, I don't believe there is a preseason poll anymore in the SUNYAC. They went away with it a couple of years ago. I believe Dick Bihr complained when his team didn't live up to expectations after they won the SUNYAC tourney the year before. It could be a down year for the SUNYAC because some many of the teams lost quality players.

On another note, Potsdam loses again to Clarkson. What is going on with the Bears? Expectations were high and they've looked awful with their only win coming against Vermont School for the Blind. Is Reinhardt playing above his head or has he gotten a lot better since last year?

Could Brockport be back to it's old ways with pressure defense all around and going deep into the bench? Causing 29 turnovers brings the Eagles back to the days of Ricky Hollis and Mark Perry.

Big win for Oneonta against Cortland. I would assume expectation at Cortland are high again because of what they return. They don't have experienced size which I'm sure hurt them against Heslin.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 29, 2006, 02:06:55 pm
Jose, check back on these pages for an early (preseason) look at SUNYAC. Looks very much to these eyes like wide open chase, but still very, very early. Bports and Geneseos trek to Plattsburgh and Potsday this weekend for interesting tests. And we're looking forward to see Cortland in first home outing Friday against Techsters of Utica
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: JQV on November 29, 2006, 02:14:30 pm
I'll definitely have my eye on Potsdam-'Port.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: BBM on November 29, 2006, 05:09:50 pm
Potsdam has certainly had it's hands full against Clarkson these past 2 weeks. However, this a very good Clarkson team. They are very well coached and run a very deliberate offense. For the 1st time in several years, they have an adequate bench. At 1 stretch last night they hit 7 consecutive 3's. Potsdam guards gave up 3-4 inches per man which partially contributed to the problem. Clarkson should make a run at the league title this year. Potsdam: I think you'll see them starting to rise....
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 29, 2006, 11:26:50 pm
New Paltz all over Bard 108-86 in Hudson Valley Shootout consi. J. Hauser 17 pts, 5 rebs, 2 assts; T. Cannon 16 pts, 5 rebs; A. Foluke-Henderson 14 pts, 7 rebs; 4 stls. Hawks up 57-48 midway. Go 43x75fg and 7x14 3s
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on November 30, 2006, 08:58:12 am
Jose, I don't believe there is a preseason poll anymore in the SUNYAC. They went away with it a couple of years ago. I believe Dick Bihr complained when his team didn't live up to expectations after they won the SUNYAC tourney the year before. It could be a down year for the SUNYAC because some many of the teams lost quality players.

On another note, Potsdam loses again to Clarkson. What is going on with the Bears? Expectations were high and they've looked awful with their only win coming against Vermont School for the Blind. Is Reinhardt playing above his head or has he gotten a lot better since last year?

Could Brockport be back to it's old ways with pressure defense all around and going deep into the bench? Causing 29 turnovers brings the Eagles back to the days of Ricky Hollis and Mark Perry.

Big win for Oneonta against Cortland. I would assume expectation at Cortland are high again because of what they return. They don't have experienced size which I'm sure hurt them against Heslin.

cortland lost arguably their 3 best players.........
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: UCgrad45 on November 30, 2006, 09:02:12 am
Jose, I don't believe there is a preseason poll anymore in the SUNYAC. They went away with it a couple of years ago. I believe Dick Bihr complained when his team didn't live up to expectations after they won the SUNYAC tourney the year before. It could be a down year for the SUNYAC because some many of the teams lost quality players.

On another note, Potsdam loses again to Clarkson. What is going on with the Bears? Expectations were high and they've looked awful with their only win coming against Vermont School for the Blind. Is Reinhardt playing above his head or has he gotten a lot better since last year?

Could Brockport be back to it's old ways with pressure defense all around and going deep into the bench? Causing 29 turnovers brings the Eagles back to the days of Ricky Hollis and Mark Perry.

Big win for Oneonta against Cortland. I would assume expectation at Cortland are high again because of what they return. They don't have experienced size which I'm sure hurt them against Heslin.

cortland lost arguably their 3 best players.........



Is Mike Lewis from Central Square playing at Cortland? I know they were going after him pretty hard. The kid can play.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: JQV on November 30, 2006, 09:02:39 am
Jose, I don't believe there is a preseason poll anymore in the SUNYAC. They went away with it a couple of years ago. I believe Dick Bihr complained when his team didn't live up to expectations after they won the SUNYAC tourney the year before. It could be a down year for the SUNYAC because some many of the teams lost quality players.

On another note, Potsdam loses again to Clarkson. What is going on with the Bears? Expectations were high and they've looked awful with their only win coming against Vermont School for the Blind. Is Reinhardt playing above his head or has he gotten a lot better since last year?

Could Brockport be back to it's old ways with pressure defense all around and going deep into the bench? Causing 29 turnovers brings the Eagles back to the days of Ricky Hollis and Mark Perry.

Big win for Oneonta against Cortland. I would assume expectation at Cortland are high again because of what they return. They don't have experienced size which I'm sure hurt them against Heslin.

There's our boy.  +k to you CState.  I was hoping I wouldn't have to wait until next fall to spar with you some more.  I have been asking for some SUNYAC insight and been told it is pretty wide open.

Here is what I know:

-'Port is having early success with their pressure;
-Potsdam is underachieving a bit;

-Tell me what you know about Cortland.  They must play IC pretty soon.
cortland lost arguably their 3 best players.........
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on November 30, 2006, 09:25:57 am
thanks jose +k to you to.........ill let you know my early season thoughts after the game friday......
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on November 30, 2006, 09:27:54 am
Jose, I don't believe there is a preseason poll anymore in the SUNYAC. They went away with it a couple of years ago. I believe Dick Bihr complained when his team didn't live up to expectations after they won the SUNYAC tourney the year before. It could be a down year for the SUNYAC because some many of the teams lost quality players.

On another note, Potsdam loses again to Clarkson. What is going on with the Bears? Expectations were high and they've looked awful with their only win coming against Vermont School for the Blind. Is Reinhardt playing above his head or has he gotten a lot better since last year?

Could Brockport be back to it's old ways with pressure defense all around and going deep into the bench? Causing 29 turnovers brings the Eagles back to the days of Ricky Hollis and Mark Perry.

Big win for Oneonta against Cortland. I would assume expectation at Cortland are high again because of what they return. They don't have experienced size which I'm sure hurt them against Heslin.

cortland lost arguably their 3 best players.........



Is Mike Lewis from Central Square playing at Cortland? I know they were going after him pretty hard. The kid can play.

http://www.cortland.edu/athletics/mbasketball/2006-07/mbbrost.pdf


thats whos playing
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on November 30, 2006, 10:04:04 am
I know that Cortland lost their 3 "best players" but they are Sportland. They should still be good every year. They have phys. ed. and can get players into school.  They have some very good shooters back along with Headley who is always a dangerous player. They also brought in a very good recruiting class led by Mike Lewis from Central Square who was recruiting by basically everyone in the SUNYAC.

Let's just put it this way, the SUNYAC should run through defending champion Plattsburgh. They lose Gibbs-Smith and gain more experience with their guards along with JUCO transfer Khylan Hunt.

Now onto Potsdam. Regardless of how much better Clarkson has gotten, which I'm sure is a lot, judging from the scores, Potsdam just shouldn't lose to them. As long as Dobbs as been around they have played tough hardnosed "D" which Clarkson wasn't able to handle. Are the Potsdam guards putting on that same pressure? I doubt it but Clarkson's guard play is average. They may be experienced but they are definitely average.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: UCgrad45 on December 01, 2006, 09:56:09 am
SUNY IT could be a decent team this year. Reaves is excellent and they can score. Their D is suspect and they seem kind of small. But they do have some talent.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 01, 2006, 11:06:46 am
Slickyquick, we're going to hazard good guess that less than half of Sportland's roster are PE majors. That's been case in recent years. We'll get  roll call of the current outfit

SUNYIT at Cortland tonight in what should be interesting match. This is veteran Utica unit. And it did quite well last season. Kayoed Cortlands in tourney. Would expect nothing less than a contender, though Murphy's  moved on and Grimmer again holds reins. Reaves' court time limited on Tuesday because of ailing eye. Don't know immediate status

Joining SUNYIT at Cortland tonight for SUNYAC play: Bport at Pburgh, Gens at Pdam, Freds at NPaltz, BS at OnState
And Saturday has Gens at Pburgh, Bports at Pdams, UTech at OsState, Freds at OnSt.  Non-leaguer Corts hosting Alfred

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on December 01, 2006, 02:20:52 pm
SUNY IT could be a decent team this year. Reaves is excellent and they can score. Their D is suspect and they seem kind of small. But they do have some talent.

sunit returns about everyone from a team that got to the conference championship game and they COULD be good? great statement
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on December 01, 2006, 03:23:33 pm
Jdex, what I was trying to say is that if you have phys. ed. and you can get players into school you should be good every year. Cortland and Brockport are in the same boat.  They should be good every single year in every single sport. Phys. Ed. attracts a lot of good athletes. Ask any of other SUNYAC school coaches and they would love to have something along the lines of Sports Management or Phys. Ed. I believe Fisher has a major called Sports and Society (at least they did a couple of years ago). It is a major draw for kids, they just want to be involved with sports.

Some schools also have special programs ("Special Talent") for kids with lesser scores to get into school. Places like Geneseo (I know they are good academically but they still have it), Cortland, Brockport, and I'm sure there are a couple of others. Keep in mind Buff St and SUNYIT can get anyone that breathes into school, so they are slightly at an advantage. Plattsburgh can get transfers in with lower GPAs then normal. Potsdam, I'm not sure about but they don't always seem to have the brightest bulbs of the bunch. Oneonta and Fredonia, I'm not too sure about but similar to Potsdam some of their guys might need a couple of hours to finish a one hour test.

It is amazing to see one SUNYAC school not being able to get a kid in while others have no problem with them. You would think that it would be on a level playing field on a year to year basis as far as the admissions process goes.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 01, 2006, 07:25:19 pm
Wow, some pretty broad characterizations. Am sure Potsdam, Oneonta and Fredonia folks in particular would take issue. We know Cortland for the first time had  excess of 10,000 applicants for 2006-07. Admission selection gets quite selective. We know coaches have to fight tooth and nail for "their" kids. Favoring "Talent" is available in most areas -- academic as well as athletic, though coaches certainly take more advantage. And it  really doesn't take a lot of numbers to succeed in basketball, as opposed to football. A couple of "players" will make it work. All  SUNYAC schools do mighty fine in staying competitive. We see a real horse race this winter.

Also, on Saturday slate add Buff St. at NPaltz

And, yes, we believe Mike Lewis will be a Cortland factor in not too distant future. Apparently just has to adapt to TSpan's schemes, especially defensively. Believe me, coach is very particular. Lewis and fellow 6-6 Paul Oliver are frosh pair who will figure.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: unbearable on December 01, 2006, 07:46:28 pm
Slickyquick,

I'm sure the two all-conference level players off Potsdam's Elite Eight squad who are in med school were given a few extra hours on their MCATs, too. 

Darn that silly NCAA for giving out those post-graduate fellowships to exemplary student-atheletes.  Same with the Chancellor's awards.

Please explain "not the brightest bulbs in the bunch" to all of us.  I'm eagerly awaiting your response.

Ever consider that the focus, drive and determination that make one a successful athlete might also be able to be transferred to academic pursuits as well?

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
 
-Abraham Lincoln

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 01, 2006, 10:27:42 pm
Utica Tech 93, Cortland 88 OT

Tech withstands big upset bid by home debuting Dragons who hold 49-33 first half lead. Tech gets rolling in second half and trails 63-57 at 11:45 on LaBoard hoop. His basket at 5:30 knots it at 73 but Corts regain edge. It's 81-78 at 1:48 as C. Reaves hits driving layup, and 81-80 on Reaves steal. A. Gilkes free throw on reb foul knots it at 81 in reg. Tech shows veteran savvy after going down 84-83 on D. Jutton trey. Reversal on E. Belone hoop. Reaves ft at 1:26 hike lead. Cortland shaky at the finish; misses some easy touches inside. Reaves goes with small bandage over right eye; comes alive in second half.  Gilkes sits much of second half with 4 pf
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 01, 2006, 10:54:13 pm
C. Laboard 28 pts(9x17fg), 10 rebs; C. Reaves 25 pts(10-21fg), 10 rebs, 4 assts, 3 stls in 45'; A. Gilkes 9 pts, 13 rebs in 24'; E. Belone 17 pts(6x17fg) in 41'; P. Whalen 11 pts, 9 rebs in 36'. Tech trails 49-33 at the half when Cortland shoots 18x36fg and 6x10 3 with big bench lifts from M. Lewis and J. Miolan. Corts finish 31x80fg(13x31 3s) to Tech's 32x75fg.
D. Jutton 20 pts(6x16fg, 4x9 3s), 6 rebs in 40' for CState; D. Maggiacomo 16 pts(5x16fg, 3x8 3s); M. Jankiewicz 13 pts, 6 rebs; J. Miolan 12 pts(5x10fg) in 19'. Tech 54-44 board edge

New Paltz 61, Fredonia 56
Geneseo 67, Potsdam 64
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 01, 2006, 11:33:25 pm
Brockport tips host Plattsburgh 74-72 on M. Wilkes' 2 free throws at 0.4. B. Williams 23 pts

Oneonta shakes 32-32 halftime knot with Buffalo St. and takes 11 pt. lead with 14' left. BS within 3 at 3' when W. Heslin, E. Bratt, K. Reed foul shooting the finishing touch. OState 21x27ft and 28x53fg. K. Reed 24 pts(9x14fg, 6x6ft), 8 reb, 4 stls, 3 assts; foul-troubled Heslin 21 pts (7x9fg, 7x8ft), 6 reb in 21'; E. Bratt 10 pts, 4 assts. OState 23 assts (R. Fitzgerald 5, M. Reardon 4). BS 29x70fg. B. Wood 14 pts(4x11fg, 3x5 3s), 4 assts, 3 stls; S. Lamar 12 pts(5x10fg) in 14'; D. Griggs 11 pts(5x8fg), 5 reb in 34'

New Paltz' A. Foluke-Henderson 13 pts, 13 rebs, 4 stls; T. Cannon 16 pts, 5 rebs; J. Hauser 9 pts; M. Irwin 9 pts. Hawks build on 29-28 halftime lead and hold 12 pt. edge before Fredonia within 58-56 at 2:35.

Geneseo's J. Kling 6 free throws in final 0:53 seals deal vs. Potsdam. Knights overcome 5 pt. deficit in second half and take largest lead at 65-62. Kling 10 pts(4x7fg, 8x8ft); S. Morton 17 pts(4x8fg)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: UCgrad45 on December 02, 2006, 12:34:45 am
Slickyquick,

I'm sure the two all-conference level players off Potsdam's Elite Eight squad who are in med school were given a few extra hours on their MCATs, too. 

Darn that silly NCAA for giving out those post-graduate fellowships to exemplary student-atheletes.  Same with the Chancellor's awards.

Please explain "not the brightest bulbs in the bunch" to all of us.  I'm eagerly awaiting your response.

Ever consider that the focus, drive and determination that make one a successful athlete might also be able to be transferred to academic pursuits as well?

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
 
-Abraham Lincoln




Was Turner one of those guys that is in med school? He was always a smart kid. We were teammates in HS but I am not sure what his degree is in.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: UCgrad45 on December 02, 2006, 12:35:16 am
I've got to give props to IT on an impressive win.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on December 02, 2006, 01:17:26 am
I have to give props to me predicted sleeper (not really sleeper, but always underated) Geneseo. 

I rate Geneseo & Bport as the 2 top Sunyac teams this year.  However, the sunyac with heavy dependency on athleticism is very unpredictable and a streaky.  So just because people have predicitions on who may be at the top, it is never certain and in the past is definatly not the case. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on December 02, 2006, 11:18:44 am
Brockport is starting to look like the villanova of last year. They start four guards and a forward and will be in your face for 40 minutes. They have 7 guards that can all play and that will even get better when shawn harris brother comes in next semester. Not sure of his name but he is another very good guard. This team is making it very tough for teams to get there offense started. They have 11 players getting pretty good minutes and are forcing teams to use timeouts just to catch there breath. The game at fisher is a good example of good guard play. Fishers guards are very young and were totally in over there heads, bport had a double digit lead for over half of that game. Just for the record bport is getting very hard to get into after they became a tier 2 sunyac school. You need about a 90 average along with a good sat score to be considered( i think an 1100?). As far as that special talent goes i believe the hoops team is allowed 1 per year. The football team is allowed 2.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on December 02, 2006, 11:32:25 am
I do know of Potsdam's two medical students Christian Turner and Jim Connelly and I don't doubt their extremely high GPAs. I totally respect the things that they did to the program athletically and academically but....

Potsdam has not exactly been known, especially in the past, as a fine academic institution. I don't want to name names but there are some players that have been there within the past 5 or 6 years that have struggled quite a bit academically. I know there are also other players like that at other schools but I'm just saying Potsdam because it was one of the first schools that came to mind. And yes, I do know that they are one of the 3 tier II schools in the SUNYs along with Brockport and New Paltz.

Maybe, a lot of myself mentioning Potsdam has to do with the 80's era when Jerry Welsh was there. They were a straight bandit program, regardless of what anyone in the North Country believes. They had unreal players during that time, but to say they had scholars would be a total lie.  I do believe there are still players from that era who still haven't graduated. I'm sure it was the same at Buff St when they were good and possibly Brockport during the recent NCAA stretch.  I am just stating the facts that I know.

The idea of these schools from the general public is what I'm really going from.  If you ask someone if they think Buff St or SUNYIT is a good school, most people would chuckle.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on December 02, 2006, 01:10:53 pm
I have to give props to me predicted sleeper (not really sleeper, but always underated) Geneseo. 

I rate Geneseo & Bport as the 2 top Sunyac teams this year.  However, the sunyac with heavy dependency on athleticism is very unpredictable and a streaky.  So just because people have predicitions on who may be at the top, it is never certain and in the past is definatly not the case. 

no sunyit?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 02, 2006, 06:07:34 pm
Cortland bounces back from tough Friday loss to clip Alfred 72-58 at home. Begins to take charge late in first half, leads 40-26 at half, pushes margin to near 20 and withstands Saxons' comeback bid. Corts make 13 more ft (20x28 to 7x16) as both squads 23x59fg. R. Headley 15 pts(5x11fg), 5 reb, 2 stls for 3-2 Red Dragons. C. Niehoff 14 pts(8x10ft), 8 reb in 14'; M. Lewis 7 pts, 9 rebs, 2 stls in 21' -- latter pair off bench; D. Maggiacomo 9 pts(3x5 3s). Ten Dragons score. D. Stein 13 pts in 27'; J. Patt 12 pts; R. Clemenson 11 pts; P. Smithgall 11 rebs for 2-3 Alfs, who were minus top guard R. McCarter
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 02, 2006, 06:19:26 pm
Potsdam 98, Brockport 95
Oneonta 56, Fredonia 51
Buffalo St. 76, New Paltz 71
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 02, 2006, 06:56:05 pm
Potsdam scores 62 in second half to erase 51-36 Bport halftime lead. Bears 21x33fg(5x8 3s) over final 20'. T. Reinhardt 24 pts(10x12fg), 7 rebs, 4 assts in 35'; D. Brownb 21 pts(6x9fg, 8x10ft), 4 stls, 8 assts; S. Mitchell 17 pts(6x11fg, 5x8 3s), 6 assts, 2 stls; B. Siskavich 14 pts(6x8fg); A. Williams 13 pts. Bears 24 assts, make 21x31ft, 35x59fg(7x16 3s). Bport's D. Maldonado 23 pts(7x14fg, 6x10 3s) but plays just 19'. Fouls out. B. Williams 18 pts, 11 rebs; M. Wilkes 19 pts(6x10fg, 5x8 3s). Eagles 29x63fg, 12x28 3s, 25x35ft

Plattsburgh 65, Geneseo 59
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 02, 2006, 07:16:54 pm
Oneonta goes to 3-0 in SUNYAC by pulling away from 25-24 halftime lead vs. guesting Fredonia; 14-2 run keyed by E. Bratt, K. Reed does the trick. Bratt 11 pts(4x6fg, 3x5 3s); Reed 10 pts, 7 rebs; R. Morin 10 pts(4x8fg) in 14'. Freds' K. Reichlmayr 21 pts(10x16fg), 8 rebs, 3 stls; K. Gordon 8 rebs (Fred 37-31 advantage); M. Moore 4 assts; A. Smith 13 pts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 03, 2006, 01:29:11 am
Oswego outguns visiting SUNYIT 85-57. Leaps to 44-23 halftime lead, putting IT behind eight ball for second straight night. But unlike huge winning rally at Cortland, Tech can't handle multiple Laker weapons. E. Robertson 22 pts(9x13fg, 4x5 3s); M. Burridge 18 pts(6x10fg), 12 rebs; T. Franze 15 pts(6x8fg), 7 assts, 3 stls; K. Reuter 11 pts; T. Downing 5 assts. Oswego 34x64fg, 40 rebs; IT 25x63fg, 33 rebs. A. Gilkes 25 pts(11x14fg), 7 rebs in loss. C. Reaves 10 pts(4x11fg) in 32' after going OT route on Friday; C. LaBoard 6 pts, 9 rebs

Buffalo St. leads NP 39-35 at half and breaks 61-61 tie with 6:30 left. Bengals 30x65fg, 48 rebs. DJ Nubine-Mitchell 16 pts(6x7fg, 2x3 3s) in 12'; N. Wilkins 13 pts(3x8 3s) in 11'; D. Griggs 12 pts(5x6fg), 8 rebs in 32'. All three come off bench. D. Mozelle 12 pts, 8 rebs; B. wood 7 assts, 7 pts, 4 stls, 5 rebs. Big game from NP's A. Foluke-Henderson with 30 pts(13x20fg), 13 rebs, 2 assts, 2 stls. J. Hauser 14 pts, T. Cannon 14 pts. NP 28x74fg

Plattsburgh rallies. Down 27-23 at half and 41-26 at 14:16. Pull even at 46 at 8:35 and forge lead on A. Williams' 3pter at 4:56. Williams 18 pts, 8 rebs; J. Dumont 11 pts, T. Gorham 11 pts. Pburgh 35-29 reb advantage with 15 offensive grabs. Gen's T. Kitson 13 pts(6x12fg); J. Howe 11 pts(6x8fg), 7 assts; 5 rebs; B. Bennett 9 assts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on December 03, 2006, 11:41:04 am
Wow bport blows a 15 pt second half lead to lose at potsdam. They almost swept the north country trip but potsdam comes out and shoots like 70% fg including around 75% behind the arc in the 2nd half. Hopefully bport learned a lesson from this, but all in all to go to the north and come out of it 1-1 is ok.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 04, 2006, 11:38:34 pm
Fredonia falls 66-57 in home opener vs. Pitt-Bradford. Tied at 41 PB goes on 11-0 string. Freds (1-5) in 32-29 arrears at half despite 12x25fg (finish 22x57). T. Alassari 15 pts(7x21fg), 5 rebs, 4 assts, 2 stls in 32'; K. Reichlmayr 14 pts(6x9fg), 6 rebs; A. Smith 12 pts(5x10fg); K. Saunders 10 pts. P-B fifth straight win
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 05, 2006, 12:09:56 pm
As we said, a horse race of pick 'em proportions ..... only one (conference) unbeaten, only two winless (including Cortland)

One SUNYAC tilt tonight: NPaltz at SUNYIT. Sorry, still prefer Utica Tech. At least that tells vicinity of the place!

Five others in pretty fair non-league hookups: StLarry at Pdam, Clarkson at Pburgh, IC at CState, OsState at Naz, Alfs at Gens

OnSt 3-0 (3-2), Bport 2-1 (5-1), Gen 2-1 (3-2), OsSt 1-1 (4-1), IT 1-1 (4-2), NP 1-1 (3-2), BS 1-1 (3-3), Pburgh 1-1 (3-3), Pdam 1-1 (2-4), CState 0-2 (3-2), Freds 0-3 (1-5)

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 05, 2006, 10:24:51 pm
Cortland takes step back with 67-61 home loss to Ithaca. Lethargic Red Dragons never get going (as in 23x63fg, 6x20 3s -- looked even worse). IC no ball of fire, but had enough -- 22x54fg, 4x18 3s. CState shortcomings inside very evident. Bombers' 6-5 fr Tom Brown (8 pts, 2 reb in 13'  provides spark along with 6-5 soph J. Bostic (12 pts, 7 reb, 3 blck), and 6-4 sr S. Stahn. S. Burton (12 pt),  B. Clemente and S. Leahy (10 pt) hit late ft's. IC up most of way, 33-32 at half and should have been more. Up as much as 11 late. CState back within handful, then stumble. Corts 9x19ft hurts since IC goes 19x26ft. IC 17 trnvrs (Burton 7, 5 assts) to Corts 9. B. Joe 11 pts, 6 rebs.  IC five in double figures -- 12, 12, 11, 11, 10. R. Headley 14 pts(5x13fg), 7 reb for CSt, D. Maggiacomo 14 pts(5x7fg, 4x6 3s); J. Miolan active off bench for 7 pts; C. Niehoff 10 pts(4x12fg), 6 reb

SUNYIT 87, New Paltz 85
Geneseo 67, Alfred 50
St. Lawrence 76, Potsdam 60
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 05, 2006, 10:58:10 pm
Oswego wins 81-73 at Nazareth. M. Burridge 26 pts(8x15fg, 9x12ft), 16 reb in 39'; T. Franze 20 pts(8x17fg), 9 rebs; E. Robertson 14 pts; T. Downing 8 pts, 4 assts. Lakers 45-34 at half. Shoot 29x55fg to Naz 28x81. T. Smith 20 pts in loss, J. Canori 18, C. McAdam 13 and 7 assts

Geneseo romps. Up 39-22 at half on 9-0 late run. Extend to 19 early second half and plays 18 cagers. Shoots 15x29fg first halfand finishes 25x51(6x13 3s). S. Morton 16 pts(6x9fg, 2x4 3s), 4 assts, 2 stls in 32'; S. McDonnell 14 pts(5x6fg, 3x4 3s) in 14'

Potsdam's A. Williams 18 pts(8x13fg) in 22'; D. Taft 12 pts(4x6fg) in 19'; S. Mitchell 4 assts. Trails 39-28 at half. Saints' B. Vonnak 18 pts, 14 rebs. SL 45-36 reb margin. Pdam 20x57fg

Plattsburgh 73, Clarkson 63
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 06, 2006, 01:21:25 am
Plattsburgh ends Clarkson unbeaten streak at five. Leads 42-32 at half. Makes 9x21 3s overall in 23x59fg effort. A. Williams 17 pts(4x13fg, 4x6 3s); K. Hunt 17 pts(8x10fg) in 26'; J. Dumont 12 pts; M. Dietz 11 pts; T. Gorham 7 pts, 14 rebs. E. Vigansky 17 pts(7x9fg) in defeat

SUNYIT's C. Reaves breaks 81-81 tie at 1:04 and scores five straight points to finish 29 pt. night (12x23fg), 12 rebs, 7 assts, 5 stls, 2 blks, 7 trnvrs. C. LaBoard 21 pts(8x14fg), 11 rebs; E. Belone 17 pts(6x13fg); A. Gilkes 8 rebs. IT up 40-36 at half and 71-61 at 7:36 on Reaves trey. NP rallies. A. Foluke-Henderson 26 pts, 6 rebs; P. Oliver 22 pts, 5 rebs; T. Cannon 15 pts, 7 rebs, 4 assts, 5 stls. Shoots 31x72fg, IT 33x78. NP 49-44 reb edge
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on December 06, 2006, 09:43:49 am
Potsdam loses to SLU by 16. I didn't watch the game but I noticed in the box score that leading scorer Tim Reinhardt didn't play at all. What is his status? Also, did any one else notice that 5'6" Scott Mitchell had 6 rebounds while 6'7" Brandon Siskavich had 2. Are you kidding me with that?

What a line Chris Reaves from SUNYIT posted. If he brought his "A" game every night he definitely be first time all league and possibly player of the year. He is basically a poor man's Allen Iverson.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on December 06, 2006, 06:17:52 pm
qs -

Check the SU (very tall front line) - Oklahoma State (bunch o' runts) box re: What's up with that.  Rebounding is as much or more about position, desire, and hustle than height. Coming out of Peru, it seems clear that Siskavitch learned to reach over competition. You know that won't typically cut it at this level - but Siskavitch is far from alone in that regard.

Mitchell, a certified lunatic on the court, backs down to no one, consistently works hard, and does know how to board from the guard spot.

Interesting SU - Potsdam similarity: neither has an aggressive floor leader taking names for individual's poor performances  - particularly on the defensive end. Neither going far in their respective divisions without one.

jdex - nice work with your posts. They are appreciated.

Props and prayers to the bear. Looking forward to seeing your posts when you're able. You are missed.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 06, 2006, 09:52:01 pm
Z,
What's up with `The Bear'? Always appreciated his insight, especially from north country
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: BBM on December 07, 2006, 11:24:17 am
Yes, what is up with the Bear? He is most interesting. I feel that Potsdam really misses Ernst Ducina more than anyone realizes as he was an outstanding defensive player who consistently guarded the leading scorer on the opposition. His 45% or so 3 pt. shot didn't hurt either. I do think that Damon Brown can become a player just like him as he has the tools, just needs the heart. As for the discussion about the academic requirements being a "little loose" at Potsdam, let's just say this: yes while the Final 8 team of 2 years ago does have 2 young men in Med School, the Conference had 2 All-SUNYAC All-Stars rejected from Potsdam due to grades. Put these 2 guys on the team and maybe we're looking at the Final 4. Then again, maybe they would have been on academic ineligibility so much that the team chemistry would have been destoyed.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 07, 2006, 12:29:11 pm
Cortland travels to Utica College tonight. Oneonta at Cazenovia.

CState coming off its worst showing. Doesn't get easier against E8 competition. Hosts RIT Dec. 15, draws Fisher in first round of York (Pa) tourney Dec. 29 and is home to RPI Jan. 6
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on December 07, 2006, 04:34:24 pm
Again, I know about the med school students and also the all-SUNYAC players that were rejected, I even know the names of those two student-athletes. What I am saying and what I will continue to say is that the reputation of Potsdam to the general public isn't super high. Their standards have increased a lot in the past of years.  A lot of adults think of Potsdam(the town) being full of bars.

I'm sure someone will give the average GPAs and SAT scores of each school in the conference to show me how great of a school Potsdam is.

I just want to see the GPAs and SAT scores of the guys that played for Jerry Welsh when they went to the NCAA finals 5 out of 7 years.  That might help me in my argument.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on December 07, 2006, 08:20:30 pm
Help - I'm looking for the SUNYAC board and all I'm getting is the History Channel.

Conspiracy theorists, Bushkateers, and fans and alumni of every team that Welsh's Bears used and abused have been barking about this, that, and the other for well over 20 years.

The myth grows greater, claims of a Welsh-led cabal grow wilder, and fact further receeds into the past of those who were there.

Publish individual's GPAs and SATs from 1985? I'll get Marty McFly, Biff, and Doc on the case yesterday.

Seems that Welsh is to SUNYAC as Murphy will to the Liberty League if they're still comparing Tobin Anderson to "The Legend" in 2032.

I morn for the bits and bytes trapped in this black hole of hyperbole.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 07, 2006, 10:38:22 pm
Cortland bows 72-58 at Utica College whose R. Bryant scores 32 (12x18fg, 3x4 3s) and adds 9 rebs, 5 assts, 4 stls with but 1 trnvr. UC in charge 39-33 at half on 16x31fg though 0x9 3s. C. Niehoff 14 pts(4x7fg) pace CState in 25' stint. D. Maggicomo 13 pts(5x11fg, 3x6 3s) in 26'; R. Headley 11 pts(5x11fg), 6 rebs; M. Schaller 3 assts in 20'; M. Jankiewicz 3 assts. UC's D. Herring 11 pts(5x10fg), 6 assts. Corts 17 trnvrs, outboarded 33-29. UC 29x59fg
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 07, 2006, 11:04:37 pm
 Cazenovia sinks Oneonta 75-72 at Caz. Home side builds 39-26 lead at break. Tied at 60 at 5:30 on K. Reed FTs before P. Marshall fg at 5:23 puts Caz up for keeps. Lead grows to 5, shrinks to 1 at 1:20. Caz extends at 1:07. W. Heslin 25 pts(20x22fg), 10 rebs in 27' for OState; E. Bratt 15 pts(5x12fg), 4 assts; J. Murphy 9 pts, 10 rebs; K. Reed 10 rebs. Dragons with 60 rebs (29 offensively) to Caz 36. S. Zavackis 16 pts(8x10fg) for Caz. Plays just 18' and fouls out. J. Winans 15 pts(6x13fg) in 40'; E. Sauer 14 pts. OSt 28x74fg, 3x18 3s. Caz 31x75fg, 7x28 3s.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 08, 2006, 06:56:04 pm
Friday NC slate has Potsdam and Oneonta attempting to get upright against visitors Alfred and Hartwick, respectively. Fredonia at this posting already in action vs. Houghton in opening round of tourney at RIT (vs. Hobart)

Saturday card takes New Paltz to John Jay and, in a good measuring stick,  Geneseo to Fisher. Also, SUNYIT at home to Utica in matinee rematch of earlier tourney test at UC (won by UC). And Potsdam is home to Ithaca at 4. Fredonia finishes up in RIT tourney
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 08, 2006, 10:07:05 pm
Fredonia in `free fall,' drops 70-63 issue to Houghton, which goes 19x30ft to Freds' 3x8 in opener of RIT tourney. Big ft discrepancy but not pf -- 19 Fredonia, 15 Houghton. Go figure. Fredonia by 28-23 at break, tied at 19:11, trails forever after at 12:15 by 42-41. Houghton by as many as 12. K. Saunders 18 pts(7x12fg, 4x6 3s) for victims, whose K. Reichlmayl 16 pts(7x11fg); A. Smith 14 pts(7x8fg), 5 rebs; B. Cooper 12 pts(5x13fg), 5 assts, 3 stls. Freds 27x50fg, 6x15 3s. Y. Auzulini 20 pts(7x7fg) in win. Fredonia 1-6 and meets RIT/Hobart loser at 1 Sat. Houghton 4-2
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 08, 2006, 10:29:24 pm
Potsdam sinks Alfred 68-62 from ft stripe, making 21x22 in second half. Bears trail 29-25 at half when they went 0x1ft, 11x34fg. Only 21x64fg overall, 5x16 3s, outboarded 44-41. B. Siskavich 19pts(6x15fg), 10 reb; A. Dike 16 pts(5x11fg), 12 rebs in 30' off bench; S. Mitchell 10 pts, 6 assts. Alfs 13x19ft. D. Stein 13 pts, 14 rebs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 08, 2006, 10:39:59 pm
Hartwick at Oneonta on Saturday night .....

Potsdam's T. Reinhardt back in lineup. Missed previous game for ??? Had 9 pts(2x11fg), 9 rebs in 31' vs. Alfs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: BBM on December 09, 2006, 10:15:19 am
Yes, Tim Reinhardt was definitely bothered by the mask coving his face due to his broken nose. It was easy to see that he couldn't judge distances at all. Still hustled as usual.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on December 09, 2006, 12:56:01 pm
Siskavich finally has a double figured rebound game. I think it might be the 1st of his career.  Nice to see Reinhardt back. Somewhat surprising that no one knew what was wrong with me while he was sitting out the SLU game. Big game for Potsdam today in attempts to finish the 1st semester on a high note.

Did anyone notice that Brockport has almost a month off after their games last weekend. They don't play until Dec. 30. Kind of unusual. Might give some transfers (?) more time to adjust. Any word on who they plan on bringing in. Just speculation here, they usually bring in one or two players. I think someone said Shawn Harris' brother is coming in. Any other ideas?

Is anyone surprised by Plattsburgh's slow start. They are extremely talented and I'm somewhat shocked how up and down they have been.

Fredonia is struggling again. At least now they have some talented freshmen, but as we all know you can't completely rely on freshmen in the SUNYAC
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 09, 2006, 01:49:08 pm
Plattsburgh slow start? Not really. Cards 4-3. Three losses to current 6-2 Conn. Coll by 3, 8-0 St. Lawrence by 12 (6 midway thru 2nd half) and 5-1 Bport by 2 (but at home)

Bports simply didn't add holiday festivities like SUNYIT heading to Vegas, NP to CA and Hawaii (vs. Chaminade), Oswego to VA, and of particular note BS to Orlando where Bengals on morning of 12/22 duel Lincoln, Ind. Yes, the Lincoln of 201 pt. (in)famy this month. The Lincs 5-1 and today vs. Ramapo. Later vs. John Jay, R. Stockton ...... BS on 12/20 in Orlando vs. Albion, MI.
At least Bport has already played at home this season

Fredonia opposing Hobart at this moment in RIT tourney consi. RIT by 19 over Barts on Fri.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 09, 2006, 03:52:35 pm
Hobart 58, Fredonia 54
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 09, 2006, 05:03:02 pm
SUNYIT gunned down by Utica College in 99-76 final after 48-35 thru half. UC 20x36fg in opening 20' and concludes 39x68fg with 55 rebs to IT;s 24 and 24x68fg. R. Bryant paces win with 26 pts(11x18fg), 20 rebs in 32'. J. Lighthall 25 pts(12x15fg), 7 rebs; B. Collier 13 pts; R. Whyte 11 pts(4x7fg) in 16'. IT's C. LaBoard 28 pts(8x19fg, 2x5 3s); E. Belone 19 pts(7x11fg), 3x6 3s); P. Whalen 12 pts; C. Reaves 10 pts(4x12fg, 1x6 3s), 5 assts, 5 stls. UC 6-1, IT 5-3

Fredonia whipped by 20x22 Bart free throwing (Freds 6x10ft). Bart by 22-17 at half, Fredonia up at 5:42 by down for good at 4:22. A. Smith 14 pts; K. Reichlmayr 13 pts(6x9fg), 5 stls, 7 rebs; K. Gordon 10 pts, 3 assts. Hobart 16x37fg. J. Grazioli leads Statesmen with 15 pts, 7 rebs, 3 assts, 2 stls in 27'. Bart 2-5, freds 1-7
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 09, 2006, 07:53:22 pm
Potsdam beaten 91-78 at home by Ithaca, whose Bombers shoot 36x62fg and 7x11 3s. IC opens up 46-35 halftime lead on 19x29fg and 4x5 3s. Potsdam's S. Mitchell 21 pts(8x13fg, 5x9 3s), 5 assts; T. Reinhardt 16 pts(7x13fg), 7 rebs; A. Williams 12 pts; D. Brown 6 assts; B. Siskavich 10 pts(4x13fg). Bears with 19 assts, but IC with 27! S. Burton 23 pts(8x14fg, 7x9 3s), 4 assts for IC. J. Bostic 19 pts(9x11fg), 7 rebs; T. Brown 8 rebs, 7 rebs; S. Stahn 15 pts, 5 assts; B. Joe 6 assts. Pdam 27x62fg, 11x19 3s. Bears 3-6, IC 4-3

New Paltz tops John Jay 76-68, rallying from 39-35 deficit at half. A. Foluke-Henderson 19 pts(7x11fg), 6 rebs; J. Hauser 17 pts, 10 rebs; M. Irwin 7 assts

Ooops. Opened another SUNYAC post head by mistake. Believe SUNYIT's loss there, along with Fredonia bit
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 10, 2006, 01:54:01 am
Geneseo in crushing 63-62 slip at Fisher where Knights scoreless over final six minutes. Lead by 7 at 6:15. SJF ties at 62 at 3:40 and wins on first of two D. McSweeny ft's at 0:04. Gen leads 39-34 at half after up by as many as 9. Never relinquish lead until end. Misses two FTs at 2:02. S. Morton 14 pts(6x12fg); J. Kling 12 pts(5x8fg), 5 stls; J. Howe 6 rebs. Goes 27x51fg to Fisher's 26x59. SJF 39-27 reb gap and Gen just 7x14ft. McSweeney 25 pts(11x13fg), 9 rebs; J. Beigel 12 pts(5x9fg), 8 rebs; I. Smalt 7 rebs off bench

Oneonta stays winless (0-4) outside SUNYAC (3-0) with 57-49 fall to Hartwick. Wick by 29-22 at intermission. OSt 20x55fg, 4x17 3s; Wick 21x53fg. J. Murphy 11 pts; E. Bratt 11 pts(4x14fg, 2x11 3s); W. Heslin 10 pts; M. Reardon 5 assts. Wick's C. Carson 18 pts(7x13fg), 6 rebs, 2 assts, 3 stls
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on December 10, 2006, 03:12:56 am
E8 is definately better then the SUNYAC this year.  Not trying to cause controversy, but the SUNYAC is a year away from being the best conf. in the region.  They'll get there but not yet.  Geneseo the best in my opinion loses to Fisher.  (doesnt mean they're worse then fisher since fisher was hosting) but all the teams in the SUYAC have been all over the place so far.  Bport still has a good record but they are playing above theire means right now.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on December 11, 2006, 04:22:56 pm
FisherDynasty,

I'll agree with you so far. The SUNYAC changes so much once it gets into league though. The one difference between the SUNYAC and the Empire 8 is that wins on roadtrips aren't automatic like they are in the Empire. In the SUNYAC anyone can lose to anyone, in part because of the long road trips and the tough environments.

When you think about it everyone in the Empire is at the most 3 hours away while the SUNYAC could be 5 to 6 hours especially for Potsdam, Plattsburgh, New Paltz, and Fredonia. When you go the North Country, you will be lucky to go 1-1. That trip just wears on players and coaches alike. It is also a problem when teams have to travel to places like Oneonta on Tuesday nights four hours and then try and play a game. That is usually a tough trip.

I don't know if I agree with you on Brockport. They actually could get better if their rumored transfers come in. So we'll just have to see on that one.
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Post by: UCgrad45 on December 12, 2006, 03:15:23 pm
FisherDynasty,

I'll agree with you so far. The SUNYAC changes so much once it gets into league though. The one difference between the SUNYAC and the Empire 8 is that wins on roadtrips aren't automatic like they are in the Empire. In the SUNYAC anyone can lose to anyone, in part because of the long road trips and the tough environments.

When you think about it everyone in the Empire is at the most 3 hours away while the SUNYAC could be 5 to 6 hours especially for Potsdam, Plattsburgh, New Paltz, and Fredonia. When you go the North Country, you will be lucky to go 1-1. That trip just wears on players and coaches alike. It is also a problem when teams have to travel to places like Oneonta on Tuesday nights four hours and then try and play a game. That is usually a tough trip.

I don't know if I agree with you on Brockport. They actually could get better if their rumored transfers come in. So we'll just have to see on that one.


That won't be the same when Stevens is added to the conference. I assume one other school in that area will be added as well to keep it at an even number.
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Post by: FisherDynasty on December 12, 2006, 03:18:38 pm
Who is Bport supposed to be getting? They always seem to pull in some good transfers.  If they get a 6'3, 6'4 slasher or a big man they could be very dangerous.
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Post by: slickyquick on December 12, 2006, 03:52:58 pm
I think someone on here said that Shawn Harris' brother is coming. There might be one or two more. I think we will have to wait and see what Whitmore has up his sleeve when the semester begins.
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Post by: slickyquick on December 13, 2006, 10:29:11 am
Like the other East Region boards, lets talk about best players from the '00 to the '07 season. Here's my list. I'm sure I will forget someone.

PG - Ricky Hollis - Brockport or Nick Perioli - Oswego
SG - Michael O'Steen - Oswego
SF - Tom Williams - Cortland
PF - Mike Medbury - Brockport
C - Brandon Mills - Brockport or Eldon Harris or Andre Peterson - both from Potsdam

The center position is very tough figure out so I put all 3 in there. I don't know if there is much argument on the other 4 but we'll just have to see what other people have to say.
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Post by: BBM on December 14, 2006, 03:11:14 pm
Good choices at center except for Andre Peterson. He played more of a #4 man. His injury problem kept him from being the best every night. As for the #3 man, I would have to give Edane Barton a share of that position. He was at the top of the conference in both scoring and in rebounding the past 2 years. For 6'2" that is quite an accomplishment. Any word on how his pro career is going in Europe?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on December 15, 2006, 10:54:00 am
The reason I put Peterson at the five is because he played more on the inside when he teamed up with Guida. I would say he was definitely a "5" in their system. He could've been a lot better if he was in better shape.

I'm not sure what is going with Edane Barton, as far as his professional career goes. I placed Tom Williams there because Barton was a good player on a couple of very good teams. He did have the tendency to disappear in some games. He had the potential to be one of the best players in the region but he was very up and down with his stats. Tom Williams was the best player in the SUNYAC for a couple of years and I believe led Cortland to back to back Sweet 16s.
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Post by: jdex on December 15, 2006, 01:35:19 pm
Friday evening has Cortland hosting RIT at 6 at The Pete. Buffalo State's holiday tourney first round pairings: D'Youville vs. Hilbert at 6, BS vs. Medaille at 8. Finals Saturday

CState foe RIT coming off nice win over pretty fair York, NY outfit (6-4)which holds `W' over d3.com nationally ranked Wm Paterson (8-1). As noted earlier here by Johnny Mac, ex-Cortland/Bport performer Jon Rother suiting up with WP, whose next foe is Seton Hall tonight at SH (exh for the Hall but reg season game for WP. The 6-7, 250 lb Rother has made five starts and averaging 15', 6 pt and 3 rebs; shooting 75%fg (21x28, 3x4 3s) but only 9x18ft. By the way, York's other slips to unbeatens NYU, Rutgers-Newark and regarded NC Wesleyan

SUNYACs stack up thusly ....
OnSt 3-0 (3-4), Bport 2-1 (5-1), IT 2-1 (5-3), Gen 2-1 (4-3), OsSt 1-1 (5-1), Pburgh 1-1 (4-3), BS 1-1 (3-3), Pdam 1-1 (3-6), NP 1-2 (4-3), CSt 0-2 (3-4), Fred 0-3 (1-7)
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Post by: jdex on December 15, 2006, 08:34:39 pm
Another tough Cortland loss, this one 63-62 administered at home by RIT and C. Roy who hit game-winning bucket at :05. Red Dragons just took 62-61 lead on C. Niehoff's deep 3pter from right wing. Roy (2x5fg, 4 pts, 4 rebs, 3 assts, 31') dribbled across lane and swished short jumper from right side. CSt got off uncontested bid from left corner at horn. Gangbusters Corts opening, led 30-18 about 7' from half that ended 34-30 CSt. Hosts widened gap to 10 in 2nd half before RIT took slight edge in final moments. Frantic finish ensued. D. Maggiacomo 15 pts (5x11fg, 3x5 3s, 6 rebs, 2 blks) for Corts; Niehoff 11 pts (5x11fg), 7 rebs in 25'; D. Jutton 10 pts (4x8fg). Shoot 25x61fg(8x20 3s) and 38-32 reb edge vs. bigger Tiggers. RIT 25x58 fg(4x19 3s). Wins via 9x12ft to CSt 4x8. Only 6pf vs. RIT until it gives late pair. B. Zeinfield 15pts (5x18fg, 3x13 3s), 4 stls; K. Gethers 13 pts(5x12fg), 7 rebs, 4 blks; T. Bacon 11 pts(5x9fg), 7 rebs. Corts 3-5, RIT 5-2
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Post by: jdex on December 15, 2006, 10:46:36 pm
Buffalo St. ground up Medaille 78-44 in BS tourney start. Goes 17x35fg first half for 40-19 bulge. Finishes 33x67fg as 13 score and 12 play 11' or more. D. Mozelle 12 pts(6x6fg) in 17'; I. Skylark 12 pts(5x9fg, 2x4 3s), 6 rebs in 11'; D. Griggs 11 pts(3x6fg), 13 rebs in 23'. BS meets Hilbert in Sat final at 8. Hilbert over D'Youville 69-54
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 17, 2006, 01:22:56 am
Buffalo St. polishes off Hilbert 85-75 in BS tourney final. Bengals 30x38ft. Hold 36-29 half margin and shoot 13x24fg over final period. Wind up 26x58fg. B. Wood 19 pts(5x12fg, 9x12ft), 7 assts, 4 stls; D. Griggs 15 pts(6x9fg), 5 reb, 5 pf in 29'; I. Skylark 15 pts(4x9fg), 6x8ft); J. Jones 7 rebs. Latter duo off bench. BS 25 trnvrs to Hilbert's 29 along with 15x21ft and 29pf (2 starters dq'd, three other players with 4). Hilbert  14x26fg 2nd half
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Post by: jdex on December 19, 2006, 05:42:02 pm
Buffalo St. back on court tonight in Orlando vs. 2-4 Albion, MI at 6 in tourney. Plays again Friday morn at 11 vs. 5-3 Lincoln, which has lost twice since scoring 201 pts.  Lincoln earlier vs. 5-2 No. Central, IL. BS 5-3

SUNYIT in action Thursday at 3:30 in Las Vegas vs. 4-2 St. Joe's, LI. Uticans on Friday at 5:45 vs. 5-3 UW Stout or 6-1 Buena-Vista, IA

Update: Wm Paterson beaten 83-56 at d1 Seton Hall, though only down 41-35 at half. No J. Rother in box

And, CSt skipper T. Spanbauer's nephew E. Spanbauer with 6 pts in Niagara Falls win over Syracuse-area Jamesville-DeWitt at SU Dome last Sunday. Part of four games showcasing some top scholastic talent including several SU-bound players. NF heralded guard Jonny Flynn (33 pts in duel with J-D soph star B. Triche) one of them. Spanbauer is 6-7 junior with interest in Cortland
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Post by: jdex on December 19, 2006, 06:21:56 pm
Oneonta in Hawaii!! Who knew? Red Dragons lost 60-57 to Nebraska's NAIA Dana College on Sunday. Trail 31-25 at half to 4-9 foe. W. Heslin only OStater in double figures with 20 pts(8x14fg) and 11 rebs. OSt 3-5

OSt. tonight at 11 (EST) plays Canada's Simon Fraser U.  SF on Monday defeated Dana 72-69. New Paltz next week in Hawaii
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Post by: jdex on December 19, 2006, 09:30:34 pm
Tough keeping days straight during holidays. So .........Buffalo St. actually opens in Orlando on Wednesday night
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 20, 2006, 11:29:16 am
Oneonta drops fifth in a row, but does it in Honolulu. You can't feel too bad for Red Dragons. Simon Fraser U. of Canada takes 82-62 verdict in Hoop & Surf Tourney consi. SF (13-7) is 23x36fg(5x8 3s) and 31x38ft. Holds 40-23 lead at half. OSt shoots 22x56fg(5x23 3s). E. Bratt 10 pts(4x7fg, 2x5 3s) in 21', most time of any Dragon. Thirteen OSters score and all 14 have at least one of team's 24 rebs
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Post by: jdex on December 20, 2006, 09:20:08 pm
Buffalo St. stays on a roll with 65-59 dispatch of Albion in Orlando tourney. BS's I. Skylark in starting cast and breaks tie of 59 with 3 pter at 0:35. B. Wood sinks 2 ft at 0:13 and Bengals add ft at 0:02. BS never trails and holds widest lead of 9 in first half. Leads 31-27 at half, shooting 9x23ft. Finishes 19x50fg(8x21 3s) and 19x30ft. Wood 17 pts(6x13fg, 2x4 3s), 3 assts, 2 stls in 35'; Skylark 9 pts(3x6fg) in 22'. Albion 11x17ft. Bengals 6-3 and face Lincoln Friday morn
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Post by: jdex on December 21, 2006, 09:40:55 pm
SUNYIT wins over St. Joe's, LI 75-74 on last-second E. Belone bucket in opener of Orlando tourney. A. Gilkes 18 pts, 9 rebs; C. LaBoard 14 pts, 13 rebs; Belone 14 pts, 7 rebs; C. Reaves 12 pts. Play Friday night at 8:45 vs. winner of tonight's UW Stout/Buena Vista test
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Post by: njlincolnlion on December 22, 2006, 02:24:20 pm
Lincoln beats Buffalo State 110-103 in OT at the Orlando Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 22, 2006, 04:45:52 pm
Buff St. trails nearly entire contest. Never by much, though 47-45 half deficit turns to double figures early in final period. B. Wood hoop at 0:17 left in reg knots at 96. D. Mozelle deuce has Bengals up in OT and N. Wilkins `3' makes it 101-98. Lincs tie at 3:20 Ja'Juan Robinson last of 29 pts (11x20fg) gives them lead for keeps at 2:44. Lincs 7x7ft in OT. Mozelle 29 pts(11x17fg), 7 rebs for BS; Wood 20 pts(5x17fg), 6 rebs, 5pf in 42'; WILKINS 18 pts(6x12 3s). BS 35x83fg(17x34 2nd half), 12x36 3s, 21x34ft. Besides Wood pf, Mozelle, Skylark (19'), Griggs (6 rebs, 27') and Guiden have 4 each. Lincs 32x72fg, 29x37ft and 48-44 reb edge. BS 6-4, Lincs 7-3
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 23, 2006, 01:24:43 am
SUNYIT beaten 79-62 by UW-Stout in Las Vegas tourney final. IT by 6 at intermission. Stout 7-3 and edged Buena Vista 57-56 in opener

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Post by: jdex on December 27, 2006, 06:05:35 pm
New Paltz tonight at Bethany, CA.  And Sunday tackles Chaminade in HI
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 28, 2006, 10:58:16 am
New Paltz hits 15x28fg in second half to wipe out 42-41 halftime deficit in 81-71 west coast victory at Bethany, CA expense. A. Foluke-Henderson huge game with 30 pts(15x18fg), 7 rebs, 4 assts, 7 stls in 35'. T. Cannon 16 pts(6x17fg), 13 rebs, 6 assts; J. Hauser 10 pts(4x11fg), 7 rebs. NP 33x68fg, 10x20ft, 5x15 3s. Beths 30x76fg, 6x19ft, 47-41 reb edge. On to Hawaii
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Post by: unbearable on December 28, 2006, 03:30:56 pm
Please forgive the length of the post.  I thought this was worth reading.

One Falcon's quest
Albany High coach Turner values books over basketball 
 
By DAVID FILKINS, Staff writer
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First published: Sunday, December 24, 2006
 
Albany n the first day of basketball tryouts this fall at Albany High School, first-year varsity coach Troy Turner stood before potential players in an empty cafeteria, holding a book in one hand and a basketball in the other.
He set the ball on a table, raised the book and said, "This is 10 times more valuable."

The players responded by giving Turner what he described as a "what-are-you-talking-about look." He continued his lecture anyway, discussing survival, success, how sports can go at any time and including his favorite saying, that education equals money.

Turner spent the rest of the evening wondering how his message had been received, if at all. He found out the next day, when a student who struggled academically approached Turner and said he wasn't going to try out.

"Why?" Turner asked.

"It was something you said," the student responded. "That our education is our money. I have to value that and focus on my schoolwork before I play basketball."

Turner sees the student almost every day. The speech inspired change.

"He's on his way," Turner said. "He caught the essence of what I was saying."

That is the kind of man Albany hired when it brought Turner on as varsity coach over the summer: a guy who as a teenager asked a coach not about shooting or passing but about getting kids to listen; who earned a degree in economics but abandoned his dreams of becoming a stockbroker to work with kids; who calls basketball the "carrot" for getting players to care about their education.

Though Albany has started the season just 2-5, his players are taking the carrot. There are eight seniors on the team. All are expected to attend college next fall. Mandatory study halls and required grade averages ensure the Albany basketball program's future is bright, whether in the classroom or on the court.

As Turner's friend and advisor Mark Bobb-Semple said: "The kids aren't just hearing the words. They're listening."

Turner, 43, was born in Albany in 1963 and lived in Arbor Hill until 1977, when his family moved to the Green Street Projects in the South End. This is where he began playing basketball, mostly in Washington Park and at the Albany Boys & Girls Club, under the watchful eyes of some of the city's finest players and coaches: guys like Fred Daniels, Herb Crossman, Robert Bowman, Nate Bland, Ticky Burden, Jim "Booie" Traynham and Joe Roberts.

But more than just basketball, Turner studied those who had tasted success, analyzing how and why they got to the top. Roberts was one of the most influential. He ran the Human Resource Basketball Program in Albany when Turner was a teenager. The program provided students with jobs during the summer and allowed one week off to attend Roberts' basketball clinic.

A photo was taken during the clinic, showing Turner, 13 or 14 at the time, zoning in on Roberts as he spoke. The other children in the photo weren't paying attention. Years later Turner asked Roberts what he remembered about him as a child.

"You used to listen," Roberts said.

Turner went on to become a star at Albany High, an unselfish guard who could shoot, defend and had sound fundamentals. He graduated in 1981 and played under Bill Kirsch and his assistant, John Griffin, at Siena before transferring to Potsdam and winning the Division III national championship in 1986.

After graduation Turner became a substitute teacher at Albany High and "caught the bug." He gave up on becoming a stockbroker and turned his focus toward helping children, first with the Albany Youth Program and most recently as the home school coordinator at Albany High. He also started an AAU team, Davies Athletic Club, in 1997. The program is funded by Davies Office Refurbishing owner Bill Davies, who trusts Turner so much he funds the program and gets out of Turner's way, no questions asked.

The AAU program provides more than just a basketball education, offering SAT prep, a study hall and life skills training.

"Education and AAU are like oil and water," Turner said. "But basketball is the carrot. We use that carrot to get kids into college."

More than 80 percent of the Davies AAU players have gone to college. All have been from the inner city. Turner seeks similar success at Albany High.

The gym was empty at 3:30 p.m. on a recent Wednesday. High school basketball teams nationwide were practicing at this time, shooting, passing and developing as teams and players. But not at Albany High.

Practice came later. First, the action occurred in room 125.

Three dozen young men, members of the freshman, JV and varsity basketball teams, were seated in the small room. Turner stood in the front, 72 eyes on him.

"What are life skills?" he asked.

More than half the boys raised their hands. Turner pointed to El-Shahiem Coles, a senior.

"Necessities for life," Coles said.

Players come to this study hall every Wednesday and Thursday to finish their work and listen to inspirational speakers. Turner has brought in Albany YMCA executive director Orville Abrahams, Albany Patroons assistant coach Derrick Rowland and former Albany High football player Jeremy Horn, now playing on scholarship at Syracuse. By the season's end, Turner hopes to bring in Albany County District Attorney David Soares, former NBA player Chris Mullin and a host of other success stories.

The players are buying into his system. Turner requires they have a 70 average to compete. That number will increase to 75 next year, then 80, capping at 85 the following year.

"At first we thought it was whack," sophomore William Chapple said. "We thought it was a joke. But now we see it's to make things easier in the future. Like (Turner) says, we're called student-athletes because we're students first and athletes second."

"Demanding we have a certain grade is smart," senior Luke LeReau added. "They're trying to get us into college. High school isn't the end. It's just the beginning."

Turner sees room for growth despite recent success. When Horn visited last week, players on the basketball team asked him how fast he could run, who his favorite player was, and if he wanted to play in the NFL, rather than asking about the adversity he has overcome, having lived on his own since age 15.

Turner intervened because the line of questioning wasn't satisfactory.

"Ask about his pain," Turner said. "A lot of people fold when they feel that pain. Think about when you're running. You feel the pain and ask what is the value of pain? Is it better for you? What can it do for you? Will you be better off in the end because of it?"

Later, Turner laughed about his frustration.

"It's a work in progress," he said. "You can't win unless you're in the race. Our guys are in the race."

Turner said what he and his staff have accomplished is a testament to the kids in the program. Their lives aren't always easy, living in a densely populated area where temptation lurks around every corner.

Albany booster club member Bernie Mulligan has worked with most of the kids at some point. As he said: "None of these guys live in Loudonville. They're good kids, but don't come from areas that often breed success."

Enith Perry, a senior, lives on Judson Street in the West Hill section of Albany. One side is made up of solid one- and two-family homes; the other side is littered with abandoned buildings, 10 in all. The street is a microcosm of life in the inner city. The good and the bad.

Perry is the good. He helps the woman up the street with her day-care service. He's an usher at the Star of Bethlehem Church on Clinton Avenue. He plays with the neighborhood kids in the summer and fixes their bicycles.

Perry could have been swallowed up by the street. Some of his friends were. They respect him for staying strong. "You're doing it, man. Keep it up," they tell him after he drops 20 points in a game or gets called a role model by his teachers.

The lanky forward with a grade average in the high 80s wants to play basketball and major in English or physical education. Probably at Brockport or Cortland. He could start college next month if he wanted to. He has enough credits to graduate but is taking extra classes because he enjoys learning and wants to walk across the stage with his classmates.

Perry is not the exception; he's just one example of a basketball player at Albany High striving for success. There are others.

Chapple is part of the Sponsored Scholar Program, which takes honor students on college visits and job shadows. LeReau has an 89 average and will likely study business at New Paltz. Senior forward Malcolm Bland has an average in the high 80s and scored better than 1,100 on his SAT. Corey Aviza, whose average is above 90, just got accepted at Cortland. And Isaiah Duke, a junior, gets college credit for taking advanced placement classes.

This kind of student can be found throughout the athletic program and the general student body. But as much as school officials would like the public perception of Albany High as a dangerous school to change, they understand where it comes from. Fights. Stabbings. Emergency school board meetings. All have occurred within the past year. The negative publicity has had such an effect that a public relations official was on hand during most of the interviews for this story, which is nearly unheard of in high school athletics.

What Turner, his players, new athletic director Kathleen Ryan, members of the student body and almost everyone else associated with Albany High says is that while a problem with violence does exist, it represents an extremely small portion of the 2,326-member student body, and that the actions of a few overshadow the good occurring in the classrooms.

"A lot of parents won't send their kids to Albany High," Chapple said. "But there is a great opportunity to learn here. They see the way kids dress on the street and say, 'OK, I see how it is,' but those same kids are honor students."

Ryan has made a difference during her short time on the job. Under a policy she instituted at the beginning of the year, students failing three classes cannot compete, though they must continue to practice and attend games.

"We want them under the supervision of a coach," Ryan said. "The coaches may have more influence than anyone in their lives. The coaches have leverage."

Of the nine fall teams for boys and girls, seven were named New York State Scholar Athlete teams. The success has carried over to the winter, led by Turner, who Ryan said, "runs the model program. He's taken what he does one step further and almost wiped academic problems off the board."

 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: BBM on December 28, 2006, 05:53:18 pm
Very nice article regarding Troy Turner. You did a nice job Unbearable. Do have to laugh at previous postings as one of the guys mentioned that Jerry Welsh brought in a group of hoodlums to win the 2 National Championships. Troy played the game really hard and really well while at Potsdam.  Since he played so hard, was he not a nice person? Looking at the rosters of the 2 championship teams, I see where many (actually almost all) of the guys are doing very well in life. Who are all these hoodlums????
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Post by: Pat Coleman on December 28, 2006, 09:37:47 pm
Rather than violate the newspaper's copyright, however, you should link to the story.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 29, 2006, 04:11:57 pm
Friday tournament action takes Oswego to Virginia for the Christopher Newport Captain's Shootout. Lakers at 5-1 open in an hour vs. 7-1 Greensboro. C. Newport at 5-4 plays 2-8 Fisk of Nashville --- interesting in that Fisk eight days ago beat CN by a point. On Saturday it's Oswego vs. CN, and Fisk vs. Greensboro in rematch of 12/20 when Fisk was 4 pt winner

Cortland at 3-5 plays 4-1 SJ Fisher in 8 p.m. nightcap of York, PA tourney. York at 5-3 vs. 6-2 Susquehanna, PA at 6. Winners, losers Saturday
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pride1fan on December 29, 2006, 04:27:03 pm
"Greensboro in rematch of 12/20 when Fisk was 4 pt winner"



Fisk was a 4 point loser.





Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on December 29, 2006, 07:58:34 pm
Greensboro Pridesman knows of what he speaks .....69-64 over Fisk a short time ago

Meanwhile, Oswego this evening shaded 85-82 by Gmen. T. Franze 26 pts for Lakers, M. Burridge 18 pts, 11 rebs; E. Robertson 16 pts. OSt 18 turnovers to winning Pride's 6
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Post by: jdex on December 29, 2006, 10:52:22 pm
Cortland scrappy effort turned back by SJ Fisher 82-76 in opening round of York, PA tourney. Fisher by 39-33 at break but CSt 53-47 with about 13' left. SJF 10-0 run regains balance. Cortland ties at 57 on C. Niehoff ft and eventually holds 68-65 edge on D. Maggiacomo 3pter. Another 10-0 Fisher tear. D. Mueller trey gets reversal at 3:14. Cortland within 78-76 on Maggiacomo `3'. Mueller nets 2 ft.
D. Jutton 27 pts(5x10fg, 4x8 3s), 13x13fts, 5 rebs; Maggiacomo 17 pts(5x10fg, 4x7 3s); Niehoff 16 pts(7x15fg, 6 rebs; P. Oliver 5 rebs, 4 pts. CSt 9x223 to SJF's 11x21. Mueller 19 pts(5x9fg, 5x8 3s); J. Beigel 16 pts((7x11fg), 5 rebs, 4 assts; D. McSweeney 16 pts(6x6fg, 4x4ft), 5 rebs.
Cortland vs. Susquehanna at 1 Sat. York 84-69 opener

Florida-bound Saturday. Posting hereafter for us a ?????. But sure will keep an eye on SUNYAC
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Post by: bports on December 31, 2006, 12:40:57 am
Brockport looks very good after a long layoff with a 112-63 win vs Dyouville. Brockport lead 100-50 with 9 minutes remaining. Brockport newcomers looked very good as sherod harris the brother of shawn is lightning quick and a good finisher. The frontcourt also got some help in 6'8" cantrel parrish from buffalo grover cleveland high hit for double digits. This kid is long and very athletic and will remind you of brandon mills. He is only listed as a frosh in program so he will make some frosh mistakes. This is just what williams needed in the paint to take some pressure off of him. Time will tell but this team looks pretty darn with all those guards. It looks like the rotation is 13 deep, hopefully everyone can stay happy?
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Post by: pg04 on December 31, 2006, 12:50:31 am
Nice win to end the year!  And if Parrish can be compared in anyway this early on to Mills, this means some good things to come

However the January schedule looks like a killer --- St. Lawrence, Hamilton and the Chase Tourney!!  Should be some good competition to measure the team against...
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Post by: sjfcards on January 01, 2007, 05:19:17 pm
Cortland scrappy effort turned back by SJ Fisher 82-76 in opening round of York, PA tourney. Fisher by 39-33 at break but CSt 53-47 with about 13' left. SJF 10-0 run regains balance. Cortland ties at 57 on C. Niehoff ft and eventually holds 68-65 edge on D. Maggiacomo 3pter. Another 10-0 Fisher tear. D. Mueller trey gets reversal at 3:14. Cortland within 78-76 on Maggiacomo `3'. Mueller nets 2 ft.
D. Jutton 27 pts(5x10fg, 4x8 3s), 13x13fts, 5 rebs; Maggiacomo 17 pts(5x10fg, 4x7 3s); Niehoff 16 pts(7x15fg, 6 rebs; P. Oliver 5 rebs, 4 pts. CSt 9x223 to SJF's 11x21. Mueller 19 pts(5x9fg, 5x8 3s); J. Beigel 16 pts((7x11fg), 5 rebs, 4 assts; D. McSweeney 16 pts(6x6fg, 4x4ft), 5 rebs.
Cortland vs. Susquehanna at 1 Sat. York 84-69 opener

Florida-bound Saturday. Posting hereafter for us a ?????. But sure will keep an eye on SUNYAC

Being a Fisher fan, I was pretty impressed with Cortland. It seems like they are having a rough year this far, but I thiink they could be very good in the future. I thought they found a way to lose rather than getting run out of the gym. I know they were good last year but who did they lose that made them drop off the way they have so far this season.
Was it all Raneiri? or were there other players that made up the nucleus of that team?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 02, 2007, 12:21:59 pm
Greetings from Clearwater

Yes, sjfcards, finishing huge concern for Corts. And, yes, Ranieri was key leader along with departed S. Taggart and S. Skrelja. Jutton 27 vs. Fisher was big surprise, particularly 13x13ft. He's basically outside performer because of size, but has been going to hoop a bit more. Hope this team doesn't get discouraged. They could still be SUNYAC factor.

Congrats on winning tourney. Really turned it on vs. York.

Here's hoping we can get back to posting. But Florida does call with sun et al!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: sjfcards on January 02, 2007, 02:34:28 pm
Greetings from Clearwater

Yes, sjfcards, finishing huge concern for Corts. And, yes, Ranieri was key leader along with departed S. Taggart and S. Skrelja. Jutton 27 vs. Fisher was big surprise, particularly 13x13ft. He's basically outside performer because of size, but has been going to hoop a bit more. Hope this team doesn't get discouraged. They could still be SUNYAC factor.

Congrats on winning tourney. Really turned it on vs. York.

Here's hoping we can get back to posting. But Florida does call with sun et al!

Agreed C-state could be a team that no one would want to play come SUNY tourny time...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 02, 2007, 05:43:58 pm
Plattsburgh returning to court at this moment in opener of Springfield tourney. Cards at 4-3 tangling with 8-2 Kean prior to host 3-7 Pride meeting 7-3 Colby. Wednesday consi at 3, final at 7:30

From earlier, New Paltz 101-86 victim of Chaminade in Hawaii; Oswego nipped 87-85 at Christopher Newport.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 02, 2007, 11:38:58 pm
Plattsburgh beaten 67-62 by good Kean outfit in Springfield tourney start. Pburgh ahead 29-26 at half; game even at 50 at 6:44 before Kean moves to fore. J. Dumont 14 pts; A.Williams 14 pts; K. Hunt 12 pts, 10 rebs; T. Gorham 10 rebs, 5 assts. Burgh vs. Colby in Wed. consi

In New Paltz slip to Chaminade, J. Hauser 26 pts(4x7 3s) to give him 1,021 career. A. Foluke-Henderson 22 pts, 5 rebs; M. Hauser 11 pts; M. Irwin 7 assts

In Bport rout of D'Youville, A. Poles 18 pts. Eagles 60-39 half and 100-50 with 9' left. Have 24 stls, 26 assts

In Oswego second straight narrow loss in southland, T. Franze 26 pts;  E.Robertson 21 pts(5x9 3s);M. Burridge 16 pts, 11 rebs; M. Jabbi 11 pts, 16 rebs

In Cortland fall to Susquehanna, D. Maggiacomo 18 pts -- all in first half of 77-60 loss. D. Jutton 12 pts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 03, 2007, 11:35:26 am
Certainly doesn't look like a big (or anywhere near) SUNYAC season, at least in comparison to other circuits. Still, once conference play underway next week in earnest it would appear to be a wide open chase. Off all play thus far we will say Brockport might have the upper hand. And a couple of new recruits for second semester underscores that premise. Oswego is right there as well, we believe. Couple of narrow slips over holidays, but even without their ace at the point, Lakers look to be a load. Others stepping up well. And don't dismiss Plattsburgh despite 4-4 mark. Every loss to quality foe -- and not by much. And good case could be made for Geneseo, a veteran crew. Oops, then there's SUNYIT. Talented bunch led by C. Reaves. Just may be No. 1 team. Has that kind of potential. We also take a liking to The Paltz. Current leader Oneonta a pretender for sure, me thinks. Should break from skid Thursday night  home vs. St. Joe's of Vt.

On Wednesday's dance card: Geneseo at Pitt-Bradford for a good test; Fredonia at home gets Houghton; and Pburgh in the Springfield tourney consi at 3 plays 7-4 Colby. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: sjfcards on January 03, 2007, 01:19:19 pm
I have seen a few SUNYAC teams play this year. Geneseo, Cortland, and Brockport...of the teams that I have seen I think Geneseo is the best team out there. Brockport was a close second...I can't imagine many teams in the SUNYAC being better than those two teams. If I was to place a bet, I would put my money on Geneseo to finish first in SUNY and Brockport second by a very small margin.

Obviously I have not seen Potsdam and they can always be a contender...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 03, 2007, 05:46:28 pm
Plattsburgh 86, Colby 70
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 03, 2007, 11:43:41 pm
Geneseo over Pitt-Bradford 77-57, building on 42-31 halftime edge. S. McDonnell 14 pts(4x7fg, 2x3 3s) in 27'; S. Morton 20 pts(8x15fg), 6 rebs in 33'; B. Bennett 14 pts(7x9fg); T. Kitson 10 pts, 11 rebs; G. Spears 10 pts, 6 assts. Knights 32x57fg; 15 play vs. 7-4 P-B

Fredonia losing streak at 8 in 83-76 fall to Houghton, which takes 44-25 bulge at half. Freds come within 5 vs. 5-5 winners. K. Reichlmayr 23 pts; T. Alassari 14 pts; B.Cooper 12 pts. Freds 25x50fg, 23x34ft. Houghton's L. Mortonson 35 pts(13x19fg, 6x8 3s) and 25 pts 1st half

Pburgh in 35-28 midway control and go on 25-7 run. Holds 69-44 lead with 9' to go. A. Williams 18 pts, 5 assts; all tourney T. Gorham 15 pts, 7 rebs, 5 assts; K. Hunt 13 pts, 7 rebs; J. Dumont 11 pts, 6 rebs. Cards 54% from field and 11x22 3s. Boost record to 5-4 vs. 7-5 Colby
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 04, 2007, 10:33:04 pm
Oneonta returns to winning ways with 67-60 home win over St. Joe's, Vt behind transfer newcomer B. Fisk 20 pts(6x11fg, 5x10 3s). B. Heslin 13 pts, K. Reed 11 pts, 10 rebs; M. Reardon 11 pts; J. Murphy 5 assts. OSt 24x72fg, 9x27 3s, 10x22ft. Up by 18 late in first half and by 16 in second half before Joe's within 4 at 1:34
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 05, 2007, 10:48:39 am
Time for a few SUNYACs to step up if conference wants some respect. Brockport leads the way with pair of difficult tasks (this ain't D'Youville), but at home -- tonight vs. 7-1 Hamilton, Sunday matinee with 9-0 St. Lawrence. Bports getting plenty of love as possible favorite in next week's Chase tourney. Oswego tonight at home vs. good Clarkson and tomorrow hosts SL.

Didn't mean to recently dismiss (or diminish) Potsdam's SUNYAC chances. Only 3-6 though somewhat misleading (losses to Clarkson twice, NYU, Gens, Bport, SL and hot shooting IC). But have to get things going. Could start tonight in Trinity fest. Still, tough one vs. 8-2 Westfield which hasn't played Pdam's type of schedule. That's 8 p.m. tip after 9-1 Trinity vs. 6-3 Framingham.

Also Saturday, Geneseo (looked at as middle of  road Chase pick, though we believe a more serious challenger) tunes up at Elmira (aka D'Youville?), and struggling Cortland draws more trouble at home vs. RPI
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on January 05, 2007, 04:32:09 pm
As Chucky used to say "I'm Back".  Spent the month of December in San Diego, which I highly recommend.

Daughter was ill in California, and since my wife is a prof, I got the duty.  On the mend now.  Thanks to all, especially ZOLA and crew for their thoughts and prayers.

JDEX - you are right on SUNYAC having to step it up tonite. 

One correction, Potsdam BEAT B'port, coming back from 18 down in the second half to win 98-95 ('port's only loss to date).  Their six losses have been to teams with a combined record of 42-11 (.794) including unbeatens SLU and NYU. 

Potsdam has a lot of freshman and sophomores in the regular rotation, and will be up and down as they develop.  Only 1 player, reserve G Devin Taft is in his third year in the program, 2 first year, 2 JUCO's, 7 sophs.

Real find has been 6-6 post Tim Reinhardt,  grew up in B'port's back yard (Hilton) attended Potsdam, didn't play at first, then walked on after C. Turner and E. Harris graduated, now their leading scorer and rebounder, with 15ppg and 6 rpg despite playing with a mask.

This could be one of those years that SUNYAC feeds on their young, everyone beats everyone else, cluster of teams between 11-5 and 6-10, all enough to dim overall records, and result in only 1 bid for the conference. 

Geneseo should be good, they have size, depth, two former conference ROY's, and like all Geneseo teams, smart kids who are coachable. 

Since I have official duties in the athletic dept these days, I will keep my comments to a minimum except to correct factual errors like this one.

 :)

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on January 05, 2007, 09:15:18 pm
Brockport puts on a clinic in the 2nd half and pounds a very good hamilton team 95-75. Bport leads at the half by3,and stretches the lead to 10 early in the 2nd only to see hamilton come back to take a 62-61 lead. Thats when Bport went on a monster of a run and turned this game into a rout at the 5 minute mark. Sherod Harris in only his second game looks like this is his 4th year with his teammates. If i had to guess i would say he had around 20-24 pts and 7 assts? The guards Brockport has are creating alot of problems with defenses. they were getting open look after open look. Bport missed a ton of chip shots and ft's in first half or else this may have got really ugly. This hamilton team was receiving votes in the top 25 and had already beat 1 top 25 team. Does anyone know if the whole sunyac tourney is going to be played on campuses this year? I thought i read that somewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 05, 2007, 10:30:17 pm
Brockport 94, Hamilton 75. Eagles 49-46 at half and 68-66 at 9:27 when a 21-0 run settled matters. A pair of key 3's by She. Harris figure. He finishes 18 pts(6x14fg, 4x9 3s), 9 assts. A. Poles 17pts(3x7 3s); D. Maldonado 14 pts(4x6 3s); M. Wilkes 11 pts,  stls. Bport 33x69 fg, 13x29 3s, 40 rebs, 15x25ft. Hams 29x68fg, 8x24 3s, 41 rebs, 9x11ft

Oswego nipped 64-62 at home by Clarkson whose Knights overcome 39-25 half deficit and 21 pt second half hole. Take lead at 2:44 on E. Pickering hoop and for good at 1:34 on B. Linton pts. T.Franze 15 pts for Lakers; D. White 12 pts; E.Robertson 11 pts. Clarkson 8-2, OsSt 5-4
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 05, 2007, 10:37:47 pm
Potsdam loses 76-71 to Westfield St. at Trinity Tourney. Plays Framingham Sat at 1:30 in consi. Trinity over latter 100-61
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 05, 2007, 11:52:23 pm
Potsdam down 34-26 midway. Winds up 26x60fg, 5x19 3s, 19 assts to Westfield 29x59fg. S. Mitchell 16 pts(5x9fg, 4x7 3s) in 29'; J. Hall 13 pts(3x5fg, 7x7ft) in 16'; T. Reinhardt 10 pts(4x7fg), 8 rebs, 6 assts; A. Dike 10 pts(5x6 fg)

Bport turns 25 Ham trnvrs into 36 pts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: sjfcards on January 06, 2007, 12:57:23 am
A very impressive win for Brockport tonight against a very good Hamilton team. Could it be that Brockport is positioning itself to be the favorite in the SUNYAC Conference?..From what I have seen I would have to think so...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 06, 2007, 04:37:32 pm
Geneseo needs 44-15 second half push to stop host Elmira 77-55. Slow starting Knights behnd 40-32 at break before getting it going vs. 1-9 Soaring Eagles. S. Morton 18 pts(6x12fg, 3x5 3s), 5 assts. Nets 14 in final 20'. S. McDonnell 16 pts(5x10fg, 2x5 3s); T. Kitson 12 pts, 7 rebs; B. Bennett 6 assts. Gens 28x60fg and 42-32reb gap. Elms 21x58fg. Knights 6-3
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 06, 2007, 08:25:09 pm
Cortland gets things rolling with 65-48 whipping of guest RPI. Red Dragons up 37-27 at half. Shoot 25x53fg, 10x25 3s led by D. Maggiacomo's 17 pts(6x15fg, 5x14 3s); D. Jutton 13 pts(5x10fg, 3x6 3s) 6 rebs; C. Niehoff 14 pts(5x13fg, 2x3 3s); frosh M. Lewis 10 pts(4x5fg), 5 reb in 23'; E. Nalls 3 assts. Engineers 20x51fg and see record dip to 6-4. Corts, 4-7, without R. Headley 2nd straight game

Potsdam handsome 85-66 winner over Framingham in Trinity tourney consi. Up early 20-8 and 40-22 enroute to 48-35 halftime edge. Foe within 50-44. Pdam widens margin to 77-62 at 6:40. All tourney T. Reinhardt 20 pts, 8 rebs. D. Brown 22 pts, 7 rebs, 5 assts; S.Mitchell 17pts, 5 rebs, 4 assts; J. Hall 10 rebs, 5 assts. Bears 28x63fg, 22x24ft and 54 reb as Fram goes 27x77fg and 8x38 3s. Trinity 77, Westfield 64 for title
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Post by: bports on January 07, 2007, 10:53:01 am
Congrats to Bport on another good win against hamilton. Today Bport has another tough game with 10-0 St Lawerence coming to town. A win here should lock up the #1 seed in the chase. Brockport was already loaded at guard and the rich got richer with the arrival of junior sherod harris . It took him all of one game to get into the starting lineup and he has looked awesome. Against a VERY good hamilton team he put up 18 pts 9asst and 4reb and 5 steals. Also the arrival of 6'8" cantrel parish is huge for Bport. He put up 8 pts and 9 reb against hamilton. This was huge for the eagles as brandon williams really needed some help in the paint and can now play more at the4. Stay focused and get the W today Bport, the 1 seed is yours to keep, a loss could send you to the 3 or possibly 4 seed. No one wants to be part of the 4 vs 5 in the 1st round.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 07, 2007, 12:34:08 pm
Oswego falls victim to unbeaten St. Lawrence 80-76 on 18x28 SL second half fg pops. Even at 33 through 20'. OsSt 29x63fg, Saints 30x58 in dealing Lakers fourth straight setback -- all within 4 pts. T. Franze 23 pts(10x15fg; K. Reuter 14 pts(5x6fg, 2x3 3s); E. Robertson 11 pts; M. Jabbi 10 pts; M. Burridge 10 rebs, 6 stls; T. Downing 6 assts

SUNYIT takes Cazenovia 88-81. Early 16 pt control stands at 45-35 at half but just 59-57 with 11:22 left. C. Reaves center stage with 31 pts(10x15fg, 5x8 3s including trio in pullaway mode), 6 assts; C. LaBoard 16 pts(7x18fg), 16 rebs, 6 assts; C. Plante 13 pts(4x6 3s); A.gilkes 12 pts(4x12fg). Cats 30x73fg, 10x21 3s.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on January 07, 2007, 04:37:49 pm
Bport blows out St. Lawrence by 30.  After picking up Sharod Williams and Cantrel, In my opinion and probably most others (we'll find out after the Chase) but Bport is the best team in the East region.  They do not have many weaknesses.  If they are hitting there jumpers they can beat anyone in the country.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 07, 2007, 04:51:07 pm
As in 102-72 in Bport where hosts never trailed. 52-34 at half. B. Williams 21 pts(7x13fg), 13 reb in 17'; Sherod Harris 21 pts(7x11fg, 3x6 3s), 4assts, 4stls in 28'; A. Poles 19 pts(6x10fg, 5x7 3s) in 22'; M.Wilkes 11 pts, 7 rebs. Eleven Eagles see at least 10'. Bport 34x79fg, 10x28 3s, 24x34ft, outboard Saints 55-37. SL 33 trnvrs to Bport's 25. SL 22x59fg
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on January 07, 2007, 05:26:34 pm
I am wondering if Brockport will now start receiving some votes in the top 25 poll... Hamilton was receiving 3 votes and the golden eagles beat them handily, then beating an Undefeated St. Lawrence team... May garner at least some attention. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 07, 2007, 08:52:07 pm
If not, someone's not paying attention
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on January 08, 2007, 12:45:39 am
to answer an earlier question............cortland lost raineri, skrelja, and taggart.......rainieri was 15 and 6...taggart was 11 and 8 and skrelja was 8 and 7....skrelja and raineri were also very good senior leaders
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 08, 2007, 10:08:52 pm
Fredonia over Hilbert 86-82 at home to snap skid of 8. Devils 29x49fg including 17x26 opening half  as Freds seized 48-35 lead. Up by as many as 21 early, then withstand 3pt Bert assault. K. Saunders (16 pts, 5 assts) and sub T. Alassari (14 pts, 3 stls) clutch free throwing in stretch play. K. Reichlmayr 21 pts(8x11fg), 15 reb; K. Gordon 12 pts(6x8fg). Devils 25x34ft and 41-28 reb advantage. Hilbert 15x30 treys (G. Ufland 9 and 31 pts). Freds 2-8, Hilbert 6-6
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 09, 2007, 10:22:17 am
Act II begins tonight. Key conference action. And with so much balance, that'll be the case most of the time

Buff St. invades Cortland. This pair could be vying for eighth and last playoff berth

Potsdam ready to make move? Visits sometimes potent SUNYIT with arguably best talent of all

Plattsburgh at Oswego in test of team looking to take step towards top

Then there's Oneonta's trip to Utica College .....and another dose of reality?!

Brockport as No. 1 seed begins Chase Tourney quest Wednesday vs. 8-Keuka. Geneseo at No. 4 plays 5 Roberts Wesleyan. Bport 33rd with a bullet in current d3 natl poll. Also tomorrow NPaltz at home to Old Westbury

One 3-0 (4-6), Bport 2-1 (8-1), Gen 2-1 (6-3), IT 2-1 (7-4), BS 1-1 (6-4), Pburgh 1-1 (5-4), Osw 1-1 (5-5), Pdam 1-1 (4-7), NP 1-1 (5-4), CSt 0-2 (4-7), Freds 0-3 (1-8)



Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 09, 2007, 10:32:41 pm
Oswego 75, Plattsburgh 73
Buffalo St. 68, Cortland 53
Potsdam 88, SUNYIT 76
Utica College 67, Oneonta 60
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 09, 2007, 10:50:16 pm
Buff St. breaks 51-51 tie at 5:36 paced by B. Wood's 17 pts(4x10fg, 8x11ft) 6 assts, 3 stls. Bengals make 15x27fg to take 35-25 lead at half. Corts square up and lead 47-43 at 8:11. BS winds up 24x49fg, Dragons mere 16x54fg, 6x21 3s but 15x16ft. D. Maggiacomo 16 pts(4x12fg, 4x8 3s), C.Niehoff 15 pts(5x14fg), 8 rebs, 4 stls; M. Lewis 7 rebs; D. Jutton 7 pts(3x13fg, 1x9 3s). CSt 34-33 reb edge

Oneonta has 29-27 lead at half, loses via UC 22x25 to 10x15ft difference. OSt 24x61fg, UC 20x45. M. Reardon 12 pts(5x8fg), 3 assts, 4 stls, 37' for Dragons; K. Reed 11 pts(4x7fg), 9 rebs; B.Fisk 11 pts(3x7fg); J. Murphy 10 pts, 6 rebs; W. Heslin 1 pt(0x8fg), 8 rebs. UC's J. Lighthall 18 pts, D. Herring 13 pts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 09, 2007, 11:23:41 pm
Oswego ahead 39-33 at half. Lakers 27x52fg, 16x24ft to Pburgh 28x56fg, 9x16ft, 8x21 3s. OSt 31-19 board margin. T. Franze 21 pts(7x13fg, 2x2 3s) 6 rebs, 5 assts, 2 stls; K. Reuter 17 pts(7x11fg, 3x5 3s); M. Burridge 16 pts(6x8fg), 10 rebs; T.Downing 10 pts, 5 assts. A. Williams 20 pts(8x18fg, 2x6 3s) for Cards; A.Miller off bench for 18 pts(7x12fg), 3 assts, 3 stls in 25';T. Gorham 16 pts(7x9fg) 6 reb, 5pf in 39'

Potsdam's T. Reinhardt 22 pts; B. Graney 15 pts, 8 rebs; J. Hall 10  pts, 5 rebs. Pdam 49-42 at intermission and hit 6x8 3s by then. Shoot well over 50% from field. For IT  C. LaBoard 24 pts, 8 rebs; E.Belone 20 pts; C.Reaves 14 pts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 10, 2007, 10:49:43 pm
Brockport 98, Keuka 58 in Chase
Geneseo 75, Robts Wesleyan 72 2ot in Chase
New Paltz 83, Old Westbury 80
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 10, 2007, 11:27:22 pm
Brockport's Sherod Harris 17 pts(5x6 3s), 5 assts in romp. Eagles land 14 3s. B. Williams 14 pts, 8 rebs; S. Johnston 13 pts;  M. Wilkes 11 pts. Meet Geneseo in Friday semi at RWes

Geneseo's B. Bennett 2ft at 0:04 tie at 59 in reg. Knights up 67-62 in 1st ot but RW ft's at 0:10 pull even at 68. In 2nd ot S. McDonnell hits 2 ft's at 1:19 to put Gens up 73-72 and give McDonnell 1,000th career pt. Bennett hoop at 0:30. RW misses desperation treys. S.Morton 15 pts, 7 assts; Bennett 14 pts;McDonnell 13 pts; G. Spears 11 pts, 12 rebs; T. Kitson 10 pts, 9 rebs

New Paltz forges 37-28 halftime lead but yield edge in second half till A. Foluke Henderson hoop at 8:02 for 58-56 lead. NP 22x26ft to OW 7x17. Hawks 27x59fg, 7x22 3s. J. Hauser 27 pts(8x16fg, 3x7 3s), 8 rebs, 4 assts; Foluke Henderson 23 pts(8x13fg), 7 rebs; T.Cannon12 pts; V.Alvarez 10 pts(4x6fg), M. Irwin 5 assts. OW 6-5

In Oswego narrow win over Pburgh from Tuesday, M. Burridge joins 1,000pt club. Lakers up 74-69 late before A. Miller hoops  tighten matters. Last ditch Pburgh bid bounces off rim

Cortland's R. Headley due back this weekend from broken nose suffered in York tourney. Has missed three games
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on January 10, 2007, 11:46:00 pm
Welcome back Bear. Let the games begin.

Planning on a Brockport - Geneseo final at the Chase on Saturday. While most predictions I've made have been more lethal than an appearance on the cover of Sports Illustrated, these should be fine if the Knights are for real.

If your stuck in the north country for the weekend, Oneonta @ Potsdam will entertain.

Tuesday the 16th, dinner at Canale's and a Brockport v. Oswego dessert, fine evening fare. I haven't seen B'prts latest imports but hope they're as good as advertised. May be the best chance for a tournament-enabled SUNYAC team?

Final 4 tickets went on sale Monday. If you haven't been, go. No matter the teams, great competition, decent venue, not all that far, warm if we're lucky...say no  more.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on January 11, 2007, 07:11:16 am
Pretty tough for Bport and geneseo to play sat considering they play friday.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on January 11, 2007, 10:40:55 am
My bad - misread the Geneseo website. Although, at my age, being a day late isn't all that bad.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on January 11, 2007, 10:53:31 am
my prediction on the bport-geneseo game. bport overwhelms geneseo's veteran guards with their pressure and wins by 20. i have never been impressed by these geneseo guards like i was when they had binger, greco, and lemoyne. but, as everyone knows weird things happen when sunyac teams play each other.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: sjfcards on January 11, 2007, 10:46:10 pm
my prediction on the bport-geneseo game. bport overwhelms geneseo's veteran guards with their pressure and wins by 20. i have never been impressed by these geneseo guards like i was when they had binger, greco, and lemoyne. but, as everyone knows weird things happen when sunyac teams play each other.

I don't know...I tend to think that Geneseo is a team on the rise this year. I do think Brockport will win, but I think it will be close until the last 5 minutes. Brockport appears to be the class of the SUNYAC so they should get it done.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 12, 2007, 12:32:16 pm
Would surprise us not to find Bport in Chase final vs. UR. Had them atop SUNYAC from 1st semester showing and has only grown (as in Sherod Harris). See chemistry as only potential hazard. Deep and talented.

Also tonight, NP at Pdam, IT at BS, OsSt at Freds, OnSt at Pburgh

And Saturday in addition to Chase, NP at Pburgh, Corts and Freds, OsSt at BS, OnSt at Pdam

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 12, 2007, 10:50:17 pm
Surprise it is! Geneseo 84, Brockport 73

New Paltz 73, Potsdam 61
Buffalo St. 99, SUNYIT 85
Oswego 64, Fredonia 62
Oneonta 58, Plattsburgh 56
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 12, 2007, 11:25:41 pm
Geneseo jumps out 28-10 and  has 41-33 margin at half. Knights hike to 14 and Bport never nearer than 9. Gens make 60% fg to Eagles 33% (6x15 3s 1st half, 2x16 after); 40pf on Bport leads to 37x59ft for Gens. T. Kitson 24 pts(9x11fg); S. Morton 16 pts, 5 rebs, 4 blks; G. Spears 11 pts; B.Bennett 10 pts, 9 rebs, 7 assts, 4 stls. Sherod Harris 22 pts for Bport, M. Wilkes 11 pts

Buff St. 36x72fg, 21x28ft. D. Mozelle 23 pts(10x17fg) 9 rebs; B. Wood 18 pts(6x14fg) 8 assts, 3 stls; J. Lawal 15 pts(6x9fg) 14 rebs; c. Guiden 5 assts. BS 53-39 reb gap. IT 34x80fg, 11x31 3s. C. Reaves 25 pts(10x24fg, 2x8 3s) 8 rebs, 6 assts; C. LaBoard 19 pts(8x16fg) 9 rebs, 7 assts, 3 stls; C. Plante 15 (5x11 3s). Bengals 52-46 at half

Oswego 30-22 at the break. T. Franze 18 pts(7x12fg), 5 stls, 3 assts; E. Robertson 16 pts, 8 rebs; D. White 11 pts(4x6fg), 6 rebs. Lakers 21x57fg. Freds own 49-42 board advantage and get 17 pts(7x12fg, 3x7 3s) from T. Alassari who has 6 rebs, 3 assts, 2 stls. Devils come from 10 back to 45-41 down at 7'. K. Reichlmayr 10 pts, 12 rebs, 3 stls
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 12, 2007, 11:47:32 pm
New Paltz puts Potsdam in 34-28 hole at half, finishes 24x64fg, 23x32ft. T. Cannon 21 pts(7x16fg) 7 rebs; A. Foluke Henderson 17 pts(7x12fg), 7 rebs, 4 stls; J. Hauser 13 pts(4x15fg), 9 rebs; M. Irwin 11 pts, 9 assts, 3 stls. Potsdam 25x61fg, 5x10ft, outboarded 45-39 and 25 trnvrs. D. Brown 18 pts(6x10fg, 4x5 3s), 3 assts in 21'; A. Williams 13 pts; J. Hall 10 pts; B.Siskavich 10 reb in 18'; T. Reinhardt 0 pts, 6 rebs in 28'
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 13, 2007, 09:33:35 am
Oneonta keeps top perch with big road win on E. Bratt trey at 0:20. Miserable Pburgh opening half (20%fg) finds Dragons with 28-17 lead. A. Williams has Burgh up 51-49 to put OSt in comeback mode. Bratt 13 pts, B. Fisk 9, R. Morin 9, M. Reardon 9 assts. Williams 15 pts in setback; R. Rider 14 pts, 5 rebs; K. Hunt 12 pts; T. Gorham 8 rebs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on January 13, 2007, 01:10:18 pm
I dont think the Geneseo win over Bport was that much of a Surprise, I predicted Geneseo to win the SUNYAC this year, they have Solid talented guards with a bunch of solid big men that play very structured basketball.  Yes I think Bport is more talented and was the favorite but I think that Geneseo's strong guard play was exactly what it was going to take to beat an uptempo pressurizing bport D.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 13, 2007, 05:03:54 pm
Fisher 85, Brockport 81
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 13, 2007, 07:40:05 pm
Vengeful Fisher ahead 44-39 at intermission but falls in 53-49 arrears prior to 3pt Fish flurry while bolting to 66-57 lead. Cards 31x57fg, 11x25 3s keyed by D. Mueller career best 30 pts(10x15fg, 6x10 3s), 4 stls. Bport 32x64fg, 6x17 3s, 23 assts. B. Williams 18 pts(7x13fg) in 22'; Sherod Harris 10 pts, 7 assts; M. Wilkes 5 assts; J. Johnson 10 pts, leading 5 rebs in 12'

Buffalo St. 81, Oswego 76. Bengals by 42-35 at half. Lakers regain lead in second half and rule till 3:15 D. Mozelle hoop. Mozelle 20 pts(9x19fg), 5 rebs; B. Wood 13 pts, 7 assts, 7 rebs; J. Lawal 10 pts(4x5fg). BS 29x65fg, OSt 30x67fg. T. Franze 17 pts(7x18fg), 10 of Lakers' 26trnvrs; M. Burridge 16 pts(8x13fg), 10 rebs; M. Jabbi 13 rebs, 8 pts in 19'; T. Downing 8 assts, 9 pts

Plattsburgh 86, New Paltz 66. Pburgh by 19 in opening period and 35-26 at half. tied with 13:29 left. Cards 33x59fg, 8x17 3s. A. Williams 25 pts(8x13fg, 3x5 3s), 4 assts, 3 stls in 27'; T. Gorham 12 pts(6x7fg), 7 rebs; K. Hunt 12 pts(5x9fg); A. Miller 11 pts, 5 assts. NP 22x67fg led by M. Irwin 15 pts(5x10fg, 4x7 3s); T. Cannon 12 pts; J. Hauser 12 pts; A.Foluke-Henderson 10 pts, 12 reb, 5pf in 21'

Potsdam 62, Oneonta 56. OSt looking to stay unbeaten in league takes 38-28 control at half as Pdam has 11x28fg then and finishes comeback at 22x47. T. Reinhardt 16 pts(7x12fg) in 32' following scoreless Friday; B. Sisavich 14 pts(6x12fg, 2x3 3s) in 23'; A. Dike 7 rebs. Dragons 27x52fg (14x26 1st half), 8x16 3s. W. Heslin 15 pts(6x10fg, 2x4 3s); E. Bratt 14 pts(5x8fg, 4x5 3s); B. Fisk 11 pts; K. Reed 8 pts,11rebs;  8 of OSt. 22 assts; M. Reardon 7 assts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on January 13, 2007, 09:58:52 pm
A few more details on Oneonta @ Potsdam.  Oneonta was atop the SUNYAC standings at 4-0.  They extended their lead to 17 (45-28) early in the second half, before Potsdam went on an 11 minute 20-0 run.  Been a long time since I've seen a college team of any kind held scoreless for 11 minutes.  For the last 16 minutes of the game, the Potsdam outscored the Dragons 34-11. 

This is the Bears second huge turnaround against a SUNYAC foe.  In December, they came from 18 down in the second half to defeat Brockport (sans Sherrod Harris and Cantrel).

Nice comeback for this young Potsdam team after a disappointing loss to New Paltz the night before.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 13, 2007, 11:03:31 pm
Cortland 74, Fredonia 66. D. Maggiacomo cuts loose for 42 pts on 14x18fg AND 10x12 3s. Adds 2 assts, 3 stls in 37'. Corts down 35-29 at half and 45-36 with 15:26 to go. Go on 27-8 tear featuring Maggiacomo 18 pts. Dragons 25x51fg, 10x19 3s. Soph C. Niehoff 19 pts(7x12fg), co-leading 4 rebs. D. Jutton 4 assts. Freds 27x56fg. K. Reichlmayr 20 pts(9x11fg); A. Smith 14 pts

Rochester 80, Geneseo 53 in Chase final. Over early. Jackets in 39-13 halftime domination. Gens 23x53fg to UR 28x41. Knights T. Kitson (8 pts, 6 reb) and S. Morton (8 pts) all tourney. M. Chmielowiec 19 pts(6x8fg, 3x5 3s) paces UR
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: assassin on January 14, 2007, 10:25:34 am
Was at Chase final last night and it looked like Geneseo ran out of gas.  No excuse as U of R played great and is a very good team--but I don't think 27 pts. better than Knights.  U of R really benefited from being able to rest starters the night before in the blowout over Fisher whereas Geneseo had a Double OT thriller and a gutsy win over Bport on its road to the final.  This Knights team is very good and has played the last 2 weeks without one of its top 2-3 players--Joe Kling.  They will challenge for the SUNYAC thiis year.  Now it's time for all teams to dig into the league schedule.  The great thing about this league is that anyone can be beat on any night--their are no gimme's.  Buff. State made a nice statement over the weekend that they are a force to be reckoned with and Oswego, Potsdam, Plattsburgh, SUNYIT, are all talented and will challenge Bport and Geneseo all season long.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: sjfcards on January 15, 2007, 04:18:32 pm
U of R is a very good team. I agree not 27 points better than Geneseo, much they are not 29 points better than Fisher. I will say I think that they could win SUNYAC or the Empire 8 this year. Rochester has good big man and at times very good guard play. I would say that Rochester played very well in the Chase, perhaps over even their heads.
Geneseo is a good team this year. I think that they will be in the top 2 or 3 of the SUNYAC, but I do think that Brockport is a better team, and that they will win the league this year.

In the 3 main NY leagues this year I will take Brockport to win the SUNYAC, Fisher to win the E8, and Hamilton to win the Liberty league.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 16, 2007, 11:31:58 am
Three contests on Tuesday card: Fredonia at Geneseo, Brockport at Oswego as chart topper, and co-pacesetting Oneonta at SUNYIT

D. Maggiacomo's 10 3s (on 12 bids) on Saturday a Cortland school record. What's SUNYAC record?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: unbearable on January 16, 2007, 08:44:33 pm
jdex,

Scouring the SUNYAC record book, good through the 2004-2005 season, the record appeared to be 8.  The record book only has stats from 1985 forward in some categories, but my recollection was that was the season the three-point shot was introduced at all levels.

http://www.sunyac.com/recordbooks/mensrecordbook04-05.pdf (http://www.sunyac.com/recordbooks/mensrecordbook04-05.pdf)

Then, during the 05-06 season, the record was upped to 9.

http://www.sunyac.com/mensbasketball/05-06stats/CONFHILO.HTM (http://www.sunyac.com/mensbasketball/05-06stats/CONFHILO.HTM)

Therefore, it would seem as if the 10 is a SUNYAC record as well.  That is just my completely unofficial opinion.

Hope Florida is treating you well.  A wicked ice storm has left tens of thousands of us in the Capital District without power.  Good to see I'm using my electricity in a completely productive way.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 16, 2007, 10:49:39 pm
Oswego 102, Brockport 89
Geneseo 67, Fredonia 51
Oneonta 74, SUNYIT 71
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 16, 2007, 10:59:26 pm
And the winnahhhhh is ........

SUNYAC board says Oswego .......Bport says Bport ........
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 16, 2007, 11:21:56 pm
Geneseo far from best but gets job done. Leads 27-22 at half despite 6x23fg. Concludes 21x54fg, 22x30ft. G. Spears 14 pts(6x11fg); S.Morton 12 pts, 11 rebs; J. Segarra 8 pts(2x5 3s); B. Bennett 5 assts, 4 stls. Fredonia 15x43fg, 2x18 3s. K. Reichlmayr 12 pts(4x5fg), 12 rebs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 16, 2007, 11:41:56 pm
Wishful thinking on Bport part. Oswego prevails at home. Strikes for 62 pts in second half (29ft) to overcome 48-40 Eagles edge at half. E. Robertson 20 pts, T. Downing 16, T. Franze 16, M. Burridge 15, K. Reuter 14. Shawn Harris 22 paces Bport. C. Parrish 14

Oneonta holds 34-31 break lead on B. Fisk trey. IT up 9 in second half before OSt seizes 9 pt lead at 3:40 and holds on. IT last ditch hoop falls short. Fisk 19 pts. For IT E. Belone 21 pts; C. Reaves 15 pts, 9 assts, 1 trnvr in 38'; C. LaBoard 13 pts, 9 rebs, 5 stls; A. Gilkes 13 pts, 10 rebs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on January 17, 2007, 12:22:32 am
Brockport defensive strategy: if it's  moving, foul it; if it's not moving, hit it until it moves and then foul it. I saw the Geneseo box: Brockport whistled for 40 fouls, Geneseo with 59 FT attempts Hardly believed it. Tonight, 'Port whistled for 37 hacks, slaps, grabs, sleeperholds, you name it - they did it, for 68 Laker FTs.

Oswego down 48-40 at the half but Brockport simply would not allow Oswego to lose. The Eagles continued to foul until even the hapless Lakers (38 of 62) made enough FTs to win.

Over the last 2 games Brockport opponents have had a combined 102 charity tosses. Didn't see the Geneseo game but the Eagles earned every one of the whistles tonight, frequently fouling 2 or 3 times in succession, forcing a whistle from a crew that was reluctant to stop this eyesore yet once again.

On the plus side...Kyke Reuter gave the Lakers a nice spark in the second half after a brief but wholly forgetable first half appearance. Tom Downing dropped several seriously deep 3's to lead the Lakers 2nd half rally and Todd Franz shredded 'Ports guards with penetration. Laker frosh Mahamoud Jabbi impressed with solid minutes behind Matt Burridge who was in foul trouble for most of the night.

For the Eagles, . Junior guard Sherod Harris and soph Shawn Harris are great to watch - both can go to the hoop - both can shoot. Seems like senior Dan Rubertone has been around for ever. Never spectacular but really works hard for everything he gets. Cantrel Parrish, another fine looking freshman.

Please, someone from Brockport help me with this...their 57 man rotation is interesting (OK, its only 12). I guess the thinking is that if you have 60 available fouls, use 'em. Is there a grand design I'm missing, a method to the madness? Are these guys undisciplined and clueless or do they believe they can foul their way to a championship?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on January 17, 2007, 08:50:47 am
Im with ya Zola, I dont understand it either, but thats how bport has played the last 5 years, just pressure the heck out of ya, give up lay-ups try to force turnovers and outscore you.  Like i said before, if the refs are calling the fouls, if they are hitting their 3's, they win by trading buckets and can beat a lot of teams. However, that strategy is inconsistent and has been in the past, which also means they can get beat by a lot of teams that handle the pressure.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 17, 2007, 09:57:25 am
Thanks, Unbearable, for `3' data. McDonnell not quite as prolific (reckless?) as his Geneseo days dwindle. But, then again, he doesn't have to be. More contributors now for Knights. Speaking thereof, McDonnell missing from last night's rather easy win over Fredonia

And, Florida fine. But today sinking to about 70 high after near 80s. Chill setting in, but you north country guys know all about that. Sorry!

Bport website finally owned up to loss.

Great post, Zola. Loved it!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on January 17, 2007, 10:21:44 am
Jdex Wakeup temp in the Potsdam 'burb's this morning was -16f.  Wind chill in the high -20's low -30's.  Enjoy basking in the Fla sunshine, you've earned it.

Zola - wonder how different what 'Port is doing vs. the so-called Grinnell system.
They try to launch 3's within 10 secs, and press full-court the whole game.

SUNYAC season proving to be one of those years where there will be a bunch of teams lumped very closely.  Surprised that 'port already has two losses. 

Buff St. could be a sleeper here, they are out of the gate quickly, have talent, and by quirk of schedule are spared from a trip to Potsdam (where they haven't won in several years) this year.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FranElia on January 19, 2007, 03:34:27 pm
To clarify on the Maggiacomo three-point record mentioned above...the SUNYAC record book that's being referenced is for SUNYAC tournament games only. There is no compiled list of records for the SUNYAC that includes regular season games, as far as I know. I don't know, therefore, if Maggiacomo's 10 three-pointers are a league record; I just know that it's a school record.

Fran Elia
Cortland SID
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: unbearable on January 19, 2007, 04:56:21 pm
Thanks Fran, you're right.

There were many career stats in that record book, so when I scrolled down through the .pdf file I missed the transition to tournament records.  Must have been frostbite on the brain from the ice storm.
 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 19, 2007, 06:21:31 pm
Can probably count on more interesting results tonight when Oswego is at Oneonta, SUNYIT at New Paltz, and Potsdam at Buffalo State. And Cortland is at Geneseo, Plattsburgh at Fredonia

Brockport back on court Saturday at Oneonta joining Pburgh at BS, Geneseo at NP, Oswego at Corts, Pdam at Freds. Sunday finds IT hosting Morrisville

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 19, 2007, 10:36:03 pm
Oneonta 68, Oswego 67
Potsdam 94, Buffalo St. 76

SUNYIT 94, New Paltz 83.  IT takes 50-47 lead at half. Cats 34x66fg, 12x27 3s. C. LaBoard 22 pts(8x15fg, 2x6 3s), 10 rebs, 7 assts, 4 stls in 40'; C. Plante 20 pts(6x9 3s) in 26'; C. Reaves 17 pts(6x13fg), 7 assts; A. Gilkes 16 pts(6x11fg); E. Belone 15 pts(6x12fg). For NP it's A. Foluke-Henderson 26 pts(11x15fg), 8 rebs, 4 assts, 3 stls; J. Hauser 31 pts(13x19fg), 8 rebs; M. Hauser 11 pts; M. Irwin 10 assts. Hawks 34x71fg, 24 assts

Geneseo 64, Cortland 61. Red Dragons 32-31 at half. Knights 20x40fg, 21x28ft. T. Kitson 19 pts(7x10fg); S.Morton 6 assts; J. Howe 12 rebs, 8 pts in 24' in reserve role. Corts 22x61fg, 8x34 3s. D.Maggiacomo 18 pts(6x19fg, 4x14 3s); C. Niehoff 18 pts(7x13fg, 2x4 3s), 10 rebs

Plattsburgh 73, Fredonia 64. Pburgh 27x48fg, 8x14 3s. A.Williams 29 pts(9x18fg, 5x9 3s), 5 rebs, 5 assts; K. Hunt 11 pts(5x6fg); T.Gorham 8 rebs. Cards 37-27 at half. Freds K. Reichlmayr 21 pts(9x11fg); J.Kane 16 pts(8x12fg) in 18' off bench; B. Cooper 5 rebs. Devils 28x53fg, 4x7 3s
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 19, 2007, 10:58:20 pm
Oneonta's K. Reed jumper wins at 0:07. Dragons fall behind 41-29 at half on Oswego 20-9 run. Oneonta has edge with 5:33 left. Five lead changes, three ties follow. Reed 16 pts(7x13fg, 12 rebs in 26'. Has 4 pf. B. Fisk 14 pts(6x13fg) in 24' off bench. Dragons with 48-32 reb margin, go 27x60fg, 6x16ft. Oswego 24x58fg, 13x25ft. T. Franze 19 pts(8x14fg), 4 assts, 2 stls; E. Robertson 14 pts, 4 assts (his last ditch trey misses); M. Burridge 10 pts(5x8fg); D. White 10 pts

Potsdam hits 32x54fg, 9x18 3s featuring T. Reinhardt 20 pts(7x12fg), 6 assts in 28'; A. Williams 20 pts(6x8fg, 2x4 3s), 5 rebs in 26'; D. Brown 12 pts, 5 assts. Bears 18x30fg in 1st half for 44-34 lead. BS 29x70fg, 1x13 3s, 17x23ft. J. Lawal 16 pts(8x11fg), leading 6 rebs; DJ Nubine Mitchell 12 pts(6x10fg); B.Wood 12 pts(8x8ft). Pdam 36 rebs, 25 assts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 19, 2007, 11:58:01 pm
So for New Paltz, A.F.H.and John Hauser combined to shoot 24 for 34 (70.6%), but their teammates were a combined 10 for 37 (27%) from the floor.  Jeez, nice depth chart you've got there, Hawks.

I'll be heading over to their new gym tomorrow night (thank goodness they got rid of that Elting dump) to see New Paltz take on a Geneseo squad that has to bus 5 hours downstate right after a tough squeaker win at home against Cortland tonight.  Methinks the Knights are really the best team in this league no matter what smoke and mirrors Oneonta keeps pulling out of its collective rear end to stay in first place.  I'll report back to the board with my thoughts on the game.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on January 20, 2007, 01:31:26 am
CBomb: Hard to tell who relies more on smoke n' mirrors. Oswego turns in another inept performance at the line, 13-25, in their 1 point loss at Oneonta, yet still manage to outscore the Dragons, 8-18, from the stripe. Decent floor game, 27-60, and blowout on the boards give Dragons another win. Looked at Lakers twice this week and saw too much Roberson and not enough Burridge.  Z's had Downing in their sights all night and he seemed bothered. Anyone with clues on Reuter? This kid can play but it's just not happening with any consistency

Meanwhile, heard the Knights needed home zebra help and an obviously horrendous binge of 3-point clangers from Jutton and Maggiacomo, 6-27 combined, to edge the Spanlanders at home. 

Some bias here. Have seen Geneseo a couple fo times and really hate to admit that a team that mediocre just might be the best in the league. The again, have now seen Oneonta twice and it is even more painful to admit that they could be the best. As you know from previous post, was hoping that current additions to B'port might make for something really interesting - but as long as they continue to play in the Bizaro Universe, will continue to keep looking.

Staying close to home tomorrow and heading to Cortland for first look at RDs. Huge game for the Lakers who can ill-afford another loss. If anyone heads to Oneonta, would appreciate their comments.



Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on January 20, 2007, 03:56:46 am
Or -

The youthful Bears have now recorded two straight wins against teams at the top of the standings.

One a night when the homestanding Bengals were looking to celebrate program win #1,000, the Bears kept countering every first half surge before going on a mini-run (15-8 over the last 4:40) to lead at halftime 44-34.  T. Reinhardt had 15 in the first half, and B. Graney, who is playing very well had two huge trey's and logged solid minutes in the post.

The Bears then came out of the locker room on fire and went on a 21-3 run (21 points in 4:40 translates to a 160+ point game pace) to lead by 28 on the road at 15:20 of the second half.  After that it was pretty much garbage time, but Dobbs, mindful of what his troops did to Oneonta last Saturday, kept his head and managed the lead nicely.  Since this year's Bears can shoot FT's, the outcome was never in doubt.  Final margin dropped below 20 only because Buff State made their only three of the night (1x13 at home) on their last possession, and Dobbs then just held the ball at the end of the game.  Bengals drop to 4-2 in the conference and Oneonta is now sitting on a 1.5 game lead over the rest of the tribe.  Reinhardt and frosh Anthony Williams Jr. each had 20 to lead four Bears in doubles.

So we have Potsdam with wins over Brockport, Oneonta, @Buff State, and @SUNYIT.  Losses are by 3 to the aforementioned Blue Knights, and an inexplicable second half walkabout against New Paltz that can only be chalked up to the gods of basketball not smiling that day.

The Bears now have balance, and are getting meaningful minutes from their bench, especially B. Graney and Jehrod Hall who has become a defensive terror and solid role player.  They play two freshman and four sophs in their top 9.

Potsdam must not look past Fredonia, who has been competitive in all but one game this season, and then hosts arch-rival Plattsburgh next Tuesday at J. Welsh in the team's only meeting of the season.

SUNYAC should go down to the wire.  Exactly four weeks left in the regular season.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 20, 2007, 07:10:23 pm
Brockport 60, Oneonta 58

Plattsburgh 90, Buffalo St. 84. Cards 45-36 at 20' mark and hike to 18 early in second half. BS rallies within 2 at 2:32. A. Miller bucket hikes lead 0:10 later and T. Gorham ft's finish job. Pburgh 30x62fg, 9x21 3s. Five starters score double figures. K. Hunt 20 pts(6x12fg), 12 rebs; A. Williams 18 pts(6x16fg, 3x7 3s), 5 assts; T.Gorham 16 pts(5x10fg), 16 rebs, 4 assts; J. Dumont 13 pts (4x6fg -- all 3s), 4 assts; R. Rider 10 pts(4x6fg) in 13'. Buffs 30x69fg, 21x31ft. D. Mozelle 14 pts(6x14fg), 11 rebs; J. Jones 14 pts(5x9fg) off bench; J. Lawal 13 pts(6x7fg), 7 rebs; C.Guiden 5 assts, 4 stls

Fredonia 63, Potsdam 53. Devils in first league win. Their 23-19 halftime lead evaporates but frosh J. Kane hoop at 14:27 regains upper hand at 28-27 and Freds lead thereafter. Go 20x46fg led by T. Alassari 18 pts(5x11fg, 2x5 3s), 7 rebs. K. Reichlmayr 10 pts, 9 rebs; Kane 14 pts(4x5fg) in 18'. Bears mere 18x51fg, 12x23ft. S. Mitchell 15 pts; J. Hall 12 pts. T. Reinhardt 7 pts, 5pf in 30'; B. Siskavich 5pf in 19', 3 pts; D. Brown 4pf (7 pts in 31') along with A. Williams (2 pts in 17')
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 20, 2007, 07:31:53 pm
Brockport comes from 37-19 submission with 20' to go to nip Oneonta. Bport paltry 6x30fg opening half and winds up 20x61, 15x29ft, 46rebs, 27 trnvrs. B. Williams 14 pts(4x12fg), 12 rebs in 27'; Sherod Harris 11 pts(4x15fg, 2x7 3s), 3 stls in leading 29'; A. Poles 10 pts. Dragons 23x62fg (15x32 1st half). W. Heslin 18 pts(6x12fg) in 21'; M. Grimes 11 pts(5x9fg) in 23'; K. Reed 10 pts(4x13fg), 11 rebs, 4 assts. OSt 26 trnvrs (M. Reardon 10 in 38')
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Maxcy Maniac on January 20, 2007, 10:10:10 pm
Potsdam at Fredonia.

Potsdam falls apart at the seams and continues to play down to lower tems and up to better teams.  They have proved they can play by almost putting up 100 points against Buff State on friday.

Fredonia hosted the bears in their old gym while there field house stood idle with just a few students playing basketball.  ???

Any history in their switching courts?  It seems very odd that a coach would change the room and floor surface from game to game   ???
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 20, 2007, 11:31:48 pm
Geneseo 71, New Paltz 54. Knights move into first place by shaking free from 33-33 halftime knot. Lead 64-44 with 6:10 left. Land 32x62fg. T. Kitson 24 pts(12x14fg); S. Morton 14 pts(6x11fg, 2x3 3s), 7 assts, 4 blks; S. Sciera 13 pts(5x11fg); B. Bennett 9 assts. NP needs comeback to tie at half. Hits 18x57fg overall. M.  Hauser 15 pts(5x14fg, 4x6 3s), 5 rebs; J. Hauser 12 pts; T. Cannon 10 pts(4x13fg); A. Foluke-Henderson 2 pts(1x5fg), 10 rebs

Oswego 56, Cortland 51. Normal Corts play. Lead considerable part of game including 30-22 at half and by 11 on J. Sargent trey. Still up by 8 about 10' from end and by 1 at 3:48. There, E. Roberson hoop give Lakers lead. He nets 18 pts(6x8fg, 4x5 3s) with 7 rebs, 3 assts. T. Franze 10 pts(4x9fg); spare D. White 10 pts(3x3fg), 7 rebs. OSt 21x47fg, 5x15 3s, 9x20ft. Corts 18x57fg, 3x18 3s, 12x14ft. C. Niehoff career best 20 pts(8x19fg), 9 rebs. Lone Dragon scoring in scoring figures
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 20, 2007, 11:45:38 pm
Thoughts from my field trip to the Geneseo-New Paltz game tonight:  This is the second time I've been excited to see that Foluke-Henderson kid in action in his career and the second time I've seen him put up a total nothing performance.  Offensively he did nothing.  John Hauser's an OK ballplayer, probably the only Hawk who did something useful, especially in the second half when they just got nuked.  What a terrible defensive team.  Kitson got all of his points on the same shot, wide open 10 footer from the wing, nobody ever got a hand in his face or anything.  NP gave up layup after layup all night.  Geneseo looks like a solid, well-drilled outfit.  They move the ball very effectively and consistently found the open man.  They don't appear to beat themselves with stupid mistakes; I think they can go far in this league.

New Paltz's new building is tremendous.  Too bad they don't deserve to play there.  Also, pathetic atmosphere tonight.  About 200 fans which was acceptable given that it's a Saturday night and I don't believe school is back in session; but no music played during breaks in the action, the PA announcer didn't say a single word in the second half and when he talked in the first half I couldn't understand a word.  You've got brand new speakers, fellas, I could see 'em hanging there.  Use 'em why dontcha??  I almost fell asleep in the second half when Geneseo went up by 20.  It's like a bright shiny graveyard.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: assassin on January 21, 2007, 04:36:29 pm
Interesting weekend in the SUNYAC.  A number of very dangerous teams in the conference, but not a lot of consistency.  It seems as though Geneseo and Oneonta are the only two that are really playing consistent, quality basketball night in and night out, yet Oneonta still has a losing record.  Zola, I woild have to disagree with your asessment of Geneseo being a very Mediocre team.  They are 11-4 and have been playing for the last month without 2 of their top 8-9 guys in Kling and McDonnell who are nursing injuries, and yet are still getting wins.  They will be very tough to beat when back at full strength.  I still think that anyone can win this conference with the exception of Fredonia.  It's going to come down to who's hot at tourny time.  The team I can't figure out is Potsdam...they have some talent yet are SO unpredicatable.  How do you beat Buff. State by 18 and lose to Fredonia by 10 the next night??   
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 21, 2007, 06:10:44 pm
SUNYIT 62, Morrisville 54. Cats evidently elsewhere, like looking at NFL playoff game. Tied at 28 at half and trailing 39-31. C. Reaves finally pushes IT to fore at 9:19. A. Gilkes 16 pts, 13 rebs; C. LaBoard 15 pts, 7 rebs; E. Belone 11 pt

Also have become Geneseo convert, particularly with two main cogs sidelined. Yes, it's anyone's guess come tourney time, but three teams won't be there. Fredonia and Cortland could be two, and the third? Or the three? Strap it up, ride's underway!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 23, 2007, 11:59:17 am
Tuesday's ticket:
Geneseo at Buff St., Bport at Corts, Pburgh at Pdam
Outsiders: Oswego hikes to E8 pacesetting Utica, Fredonia home to Morrisville

SUNYACs stack up thusly: Gen 5-1 (11-4), OnSt 6-2 (7-9), OsSt 5-3 (9-7), Bport 3-2 (10-4), Pburgh 4-3 (8-6), Pdam 4-3 (7-9), Buff St 4-3 (9-6), IT 3-4 (9-7), NP 2-5 (7-7), CSt 1-5 (5-10), Fred 1-7 (3-12)

Oswego skipper K. Broderick's take: Looking at (last) weekend, knowing we're going to play the No. 1 team Friday and the No. 10 team Saturday, I knew there would be no difference between the two games and there wasn't. I don't even look at the standings anymore. You know every game is going to be tough because every team has guys who can play
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on January 23, 2007, 07:32:11 pm
A win tonight at cortland would be huge for the port. They would be 4-2 in conference with 5 of the first 6 on the road, that would set them up really nice for the end of the year. A loss tonight would put the in the middle of the pack with lots of work to do. This team after losing 3 in a row found themselves down 21 pts at the 19 min mark at oneonta. They rebounded to win and that was huge but they should not have been in that position. They have not been playing good and the fouls are getting out of control  fisher shot 60ft's and oswego shot 62ft's. Im sure the refs are a little whistle happy but most of the blame goes to the coach and players. Whitmore needs to shorten his bench from about 13 players to 10, and be a little less agressive on the road. The players dont seem to have time to settle into the game and he yanks them. There is no way this team should be down 19 pts to any team at halftime in the sunyac conference. Especially when oneonta played on friday night and bport didnt. I realize that the pressure and run and gun is there style but 39@40 fouls in back to back games should get your attention to shake something up. I still believe they are one of the top 2 teams in sunyac if not the best but they need to start showing it.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on January 23, 2007, 08:34:01 pm
ROCfan:

I've seen everyone, most twice, excluding  Fredonia and Buff State. Ergo, my opinion is, of course, ihformed by anecdotally.

We can do  a game by game analysis and prove once again that you can usually find evidence to support any position you would like, e.g. Geneseo played poorly v. Potsdam and Cortland and still got two wins. Indeed, Potsdam and Cortland were flat, inept, asleep, absent, played with bags over their heads, pick your descriptor of poor...yet the Knights managed to win both by 3. Their current 3 game streak is against teams that are a combined 4-17 in the league and 15-29 overall. Strikes me as a so what.

We can look at Y-T-D stats and  find the Knights shoot well from the field (49%), nothing special from 3 (33%), mediocre from the line (66%), perform poorly on the offensive boards (145), OK on the defensive boards (376), and have a fair Assist/TO ratio (1.1). When you compare their stats to Potsdam, for example, a mediocre 4-3 league, 7-9 overall...47% shooting, 39% from 3, 74% FT, 182 & 387 off and def rebounds respectively, and a similar Assist/TO ratio...Knights numbers look more anemic.

Was not taking a slam at the Knights but rather at the current state of the league. The SUNYAC is, from year to year,  physical and competitive - but, of course, not always for the same reasons. This year the league is competitive more for a bevy of teamd playing inconsistent, mediocre, ball rather that for teams playing consistent, quality ball. Examples:

Oneonta, 6-2 (7-9). Say no more.

Oswego: Plays 1 decent half per game ( down by 8 v Port and down 7 v. Cort) and win both going away.

Potsdam: Puts up huge runs v. Port, Buff State. 25 turnovers v. Fredonia.

We can look for quality wins. Geneseo has a 1 point win over a decent SJF. Sadly, its hard to make a case that any league win is "quality".

I do like bports analysis of his favorites. Will be interesting to see what Whitmore does with this squad, particularly if they can develop a semblance of an inside game.

Well, to end this blah...Many entertaining games to play but few will be between teams playing solid ball worth driving through snow and, as yet, see no one of D3 tournament interest.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on January 23, 2007, 09:09:44 pm
Zola, Geneseo lost to SJF.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 23, 2007, 09:50:45 pm
Brockport 71, Cortland 63. Tied at 63 at 2' mark. Sound familiar. B. Williams 2 ft puts Eagles up. Sherod Harris the finisher

Fredonia 61, Morrisville 44
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 23, 2007, 10:14:34 pm
Utica 63, Oswego 62

Geneseo 75, Buffalo St. 66. Knights grab lead late in opening half and extend 34-31 halftime margin to double figures most of second half. BS within 7 late. Gens 28x57fg. No McDonnell or Kling. G. Spears 23 pts(8x12fg), 10 reb, 3 stls; S. Morton 17 pts (6x11fg), 4 assts, 3 stls; J. Howe 12 pts(6x11fg), 11 rebs; T. Kitson 12 pts, 10 rebs; N. Kelley 4 assts. BS 25x63fg. DJ Nubine-Mitchell 17 pts(6x10fg); J. Lawal 13 pts(6x8fg), 9 rebs; B. Wood 12 pts(5x11fg), 4 stls, 6 trnvs; I. Skylark 10 pts in 10'
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 23, 2007, 10:27:11 pm
Fredonia 19x27ft does in Mville. Devils 18x38fg to M's 16x56fg, 8x14ft. Freds by 26-18 at half. A. Smith 12 pts(4x6fg); T. Alassari 11 pts; B. Cooper 10 pts; K. Reichlmayr 7 rebs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: assassin on January 23, 2007, 11:31:58 pm
Zola, you make some valid points...but I again have to remind you that Geneseo has played almost half of their season without Kling and McDonnell.  I don't know the numbers, but that's taking somewhere around 20pts. out of your backcourt.  Will be interesting to see what happens, when those guys are back in the lineup.  Nice wins tonight for Bport, Geneseo, and Plattsburgh.  This weekend will be huge in helping to sort out the standings.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: BBM on January 23, 2007, 11:44:40 pm
Plattsburgh beats Potsdam by 1 in double OT. Plattsburgh jumps to a double digit lead and Potsdam fights back. Anthony Williams has a huge game for Plattsburgh with 31 points. Potsdam misses a layup with 2 seconds left in the contest. Great effort by both teams.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 23, 2007, 11:46:32 pm
Plattsburgh 89, Potsdam 88, 2ot. A. Williams 31 pts(8x22fg, 4x11 3s) 7 assts, 6stls, 6rebs, 11x14ft in 47'. Scores 21 pts 1st half for Cards, who go 25x31ft to Pdam's 4x7ft. Pburgh 44-38 at half, 72-72 reg. K. Hunt 15 pts(6x13fg), 9 rebs; A.Miller 13 pts, 8 reebs; T.Gorham 13 pts, 11rebs  in 46'. Cards 29x76fg, 42 rebs. Bears 38x74fg, 8x23 3s, 48 rebs. D. Brown 28 pts(11x19fg, 3x8 3s), 4 stls; J. Hall 15 pts(7x10fg), 6 assts, 10 rebs; T. Reinhardt 14 pts(7x10fg), 6 rebs; B. Graney 12 pts(5x9fg), 6 rebs

Oswego hard luck. ANOTHER tight one. Leads at 0:10 on E. Roberson ft's. Lose at 0:02 on soph D. Herring 15 foot jumper for UC. T. Franze 19 pts(9x11fg) for Lakers; K. Reuter 17 pts; Roberson 14 pts(4x6 3s). OSt 25x53fg, UC 26x56. UC 36-27 reb

Brockport comes from 10 back late in first half, builds 43-30 lead before capitulating to Cortland, but right the ship from 63 tie. Sheod Harris 17 pts(5x11fg, 3x6 3s); C. Parrish 12 pts(4x7fg) in 18'. Red Dragons 19x64fg, 9x32 3s. C. Niehoff 18 pts(7x17fg), 7 rebs; J. Miolen as starter 14 pts in 21'; M. Lewis 9 rebs; D. Maggiacomo 0x10fg, 0x7 3s
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on January 24, 2007, 01:09:13 am
SUNYAC Massey Ratings prior to games played on 1/23. Listed by Team, Rank, Strength of Schedule (based on 403 population)

Geneseo 63/111
Brockport 94/207
Plattsburg 159/201
Buff State 163/221
Oswego 183/261
Potsdam 238/234
New Paltz 247/296
SUNYIT 250/320
Oneonta 266/273
Cortland 290/226
Fredonia 342/288

Plattsburg (159) beats Potsdam (238) by 1 because Potsdam misses wide open layup within last 4 seconds of 2nd overtime. Well, league games, especially Bears - Cards, are always tough to predict, eh. Cards Williams and Bears Brown put on a show.

In non-league action, Utica (73) buried Oswego (183), as you would expect given their respective ratings, by 1 at home. FYI - Laker's starters Burridge, Downing, Roberson combine for 7-29 from the field. Still, Roberson a solid 4-6 from 3. Reuter (17) big off bench. Laker's 12/17 assists/TO ratio, 9 fewer boards. Bryant with fine 19 and 11 in 35 min for Pioneers.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on January 24, 2007, 10:00:01 am
Everyone is knocking Whitmore for playing a bunch of guys. Didn't he do that when they went to the Elite 8 and it was effective. He has always went deep with his rotation with the exception of last year because of injuries and suspensions. To knock Bport for fouling is crazy. The refs always seem to have it out for him and his squad. Just because they are quicker, stronger, and tougher then their opponents they get penalized. It is basically the same idea behind a big center setting a pick on a little guard, the guard falls down and it is automatically a foul even though the big man was there for 3 seconds.

It is pretty obvious that the SUNYAC is down this year. They lost a lot of good players like thebear said. It will get better because there are a lot of good players that are contributing who are freshmen and sophmores.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on January 24, 2007, 10:13:49 am
Just read the Plattsburgh-Potsdam box. Wow, it must have a been a great game. It must have come down to two things. The Cardinals went to the line 31 times and made 25 of them while the Bears went to the line 7 times and made 4. Only going to the line 7 times in a double overtime game, I don't know if I've ever seen or heard of that.

Another line is Potsdam's 28 turnovers. Not too many teams can win with 28 turnovers. What was funny about that stat was that they also had 31 assists to their 37 field goals. I don't know who does the stat keeping in the North Country but I highly doubt the Bears had that many assists. I'm sure thebear can confirm or deny that stat.

The Brockport Eagles hold Cortland's leading scorer Dave Maggiocomo scoreless. A big road win for the Eagles. Another solid effort from their second semester transfers Sherod Harris and Cantrel Parrish as they combine for 29 points.

The Knights of Geneseo get three double figure rebounders as Kitson, Spears, and Jeff Howe. Howe has a double double. I think he is their best big man but just doesn't perform consistently. It is interesting that Geneseo only really went 7 deep yesterday. Did they move Kitson to the three because it was only Howe and Sciera that got decent minutes off the bench. Does anyone know why Jay Wingate isn't playing for Buff St. Is he still not 100% from his knee injury.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: BBM on January 24, 2007, 02:41:38 pm
An answer to your question Slickquick is that Plattsbugh's press hurt Potsdam and on the Plattsburgh steals many 2 on1 and 1 on 1 opportunities existed. Unfortunately for Potsdam, a foul was called on 98% of Plattsburgh's layup attempts. I give credit to the Plattsburgh guards as they went in, hurling their bodies at the defense and getting the call. They did a great job of "reading the officiating." Yes, you're right, that is quite a discrepency in F.T. attempts, isn't it?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on January 24, 2007, 03:47:38 pm
Slick  like you i am a bport fan and live and die with the eagles. To compare this years bench players to the elite 8 teams subs is not comparing apples to apples. That team had 2 or 3 players on there bench that would have started on this years team. A couple that come to mind are charlie croff who played behind alex smith and bob s who played behind medberry. The only player that may have started off this years team is sherod harris, and he would have had to play the 2 with hollis at the pt. I understand what whitmores style is but after 40 pf's in back to back games i think i would back off just a little bit. He hardly ever uses a zone but he did against hamilton around the 9 min mark of the 2nd half and the game tied. The result was like a 20-2 run for bport and game over. I just think he can be very slow and stubborn to change anything when he notices it is not working. I like him as a coach i just wish he would shake things up every so often.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on January 24, 2007, 03:57:06 pm
slickyquick, I think playing aggressive favors bport, after a while the refs give up on calling the ticky tack fouls and the game turns in bports favor.  To say they dont hack tho is a reach, I played against almost all the bport guards this summer and yes they are very quick but they do hack like crazy and reach almost everytime.  You feel like you are gettin raped.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on January 24, 2007, 04:22:18 pm
One thing I do remember in the first year Brockport went to the NCAAs, they played Geneseo in the semis and the Knights went to the line like 58 times (might be a little lower but not much), which I still believe a SUNYAC tourney record. So it isn't like that this has just happened. I don't believe that Whitmore tells his team to foul but when you play tough hard nosed D you will foul. If they make the NCAAs, their pressure will cause other teams a lot of problems just like Brockport teams from years past.

Bports, as far as getting 40 personal fouls in back to back games, I don't think you can play any different. I think the players should adjust slightly how they play but if I were Whitmore, I wouldn't tell them back down. One thing I also remember about the Golden Eagles of years past, they would slowly play more in the halfcourt as the season went on. They would grind it out a little more because that is what Geneseo led by Greco, LeMoyne, and Binger and Cortland led by Binger and Williams would force them to.

Another thing about these Golden Eagles is that the refs aren't quite use to seeing them on a consistent basis. They were use to Hollis, Perry, Mateo, and Masters grabbing and clawing their way to get steals. So, it could actually get really scary next year when the team develops even more.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on January 24, 2007, 04:30:20 pm
Slicky quick - It was a great game except for the last three seconds, when the Bears missed a wide open "bunny" down by a point.  The crowd was ready to explode, & then - well you know the feeling.

Although I've been accused (back when I was keeping stats) of being the most liberal assist giver in history (I kept stats when Mike Deane averaged 10 a game for three years (805 all told in 80 games)), I would question 31 of 37 FG's being assisted.  Damon Brown scored a lot of his points on acrobatic drives into the lane, there were also more than a few breakaways in transition that should have been unassisted.  I'll look at the film when I get a chance.

What was amazing about the foul discrepancy is that neither team really had to foul.  Potsdam put in a 13-2 surge early in the second half that brought the game close and the second half & the OT's were relatively low scoring affairs after that.
Usually that kind of a foul discrepancy is related to one team fouling to put the other team on the line to get the ball back, but that really didn't happen.

Williams & Miller did a good job of initiating contact and getting the fouls called, while Potsdam had a lot of shots at the other end where FT's or "and one's" could have been called, but weren't.

Big win for the Cards, as with the teams only meeting once, gives them the head-to-head tie breaker over Potsdam.

 The top 9 teams in this conference are so close that any one of them can win the conference tournament.  It will come down to who's playing well, and people lost to injuries.

As for Wingate, he only played in "garbage time" against Potsdam.  My guess is that he's still not fully recovered.  A sad ending to a player with so much physical talent, he really had NFL-class speed (9.7 100m) in his heyday.

Bears have a big home matchup vs. Oswego on Saturday, Bear Pride night with women, hockey & men all scheduled for Maxcy on Saturday night.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on January 25, 2007, 08:23:13 pm
Some people are truly confused and marry in January. Will be thinking Oneonta @ Geneseo and Brockport while traveling to NJ for a wedding...my wife's  f!**/&%second  f!**/&% cousin. No justice.

A Fucillo weekend for the Dragons.  My best guess is they lose both, Brockport best shot at a win, and fall back in the pack with the ner-do-wells. Claims of smoke and mirrors justified.

Brockport really needs a Friday win to keep pressure on Geneseo Saturday. You are at home Eagles - time to get the job done.

Will be in Geneseo Tuesday night. Hope to see a full gym without going to SJF.

Enough about the Geneseo MIAs. If Perioli had not been injured we might not be having any of these conversations. The Lakers have had no point, Burridge has been lost without him, yet they are still scary and get one more crack at Geneseo, Port, and Oneonta.

say no more
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bimbo coles on January 26, 2007, 07:56:46 am
good last point zola. can't dwell on what you don't have and we all know that shoulda woulda coulda's don't win basketball games.. lakers sure need him this year more than any..
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on January 26, 2007, 11:42:38 am
Brockport has not played a full 40 minute game since there win vs st lawerence. I fully expect them to come out at home tonight and light up oneonta. Around the 10 min mark of the second half this game should be over. This team is just to good to not play a full game in the last month. You cant even count there chase tourney game against keuka. With that said 4-2 in conf with 5 of the first 6 being on the road is pretty darn good. Even though they are not playing good they have held down the ship. Look for a nice run of W's out of the eagles with all yhese home games coming up.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 26, 2007, 07:40:07 pm
Not much scouting needed for Friday's fare. Four games are rematches from just last Saturday: Oneonta at Bport, BS at Pburgh, Corts at Oswego, NP at Geneseo. Also, Freds visit IT.

Saturday docket also includes pairing from last week: Freds at Pburgh. Also slated NP at Bkport, Oneonta at Geneseo, Oswego at Pdam, BS at IT
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: cstate19 on January 26, 2007, 08:08:41 pm

A Fucillo weekend for the Dragons.  My best guess is they lose both, Brockport best shot at a win, and fall back in the pack with the ner-do-wells. Claims of smoke and mirrors justified.


Big time props to zola for use of one of cstate's fav commercials. +k to you


IT'S HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on January 26, 2007, 10:13:31 pm
Brockport took oneonta out behind the wood shed tonight. Brockport goes up 12 in the first half and ends up with an 8 point halftime lead. The second half is all Bport, i left with 1 min left and bport was up 100-69. Sherod harris had a monster game i would guess around 25 pts. Cantrel parish also had a big game with around 18pts 12 reb?. Brockport completes the sweep of oneonta which always is nice for tie break scenarios. Good job eagles NP is on deck for tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 26, 2007, 10:16:59 pm
Topsy turvy???

New Paltz 75, hosting Geneseo 71 .....go figure. No Geneseo travel weariness here. NP 35-32 at half despite Knights 14x26fg over 20'. NP 25x51fg, 8x16 3s, 17x32ft (Gen 6x11ft). J. Hauser 21 pts(7x10fg, 3x5 3s), 5 rebs; J. Sugure 13 pts(4x6fg, 3x4 3s); T. Cannon 12 pts, 5 stls; A. Foluke-Henderson 12 pts(5x10fg), 6 rebs, 5 stls; M. Irwin 10 pts, 8 assts, 3 of Hawks 16 stls. Outboarded 40-22. Gens S. Morton 28 pts(10x17fg, 5x10 3s), 7 rebs, 7 assts, 8 of team's 24 trnvrs to NP 14; J. Howe 18 pts(9x10fg), 11 rebs, 5 assts; G. Spears 10 pts(5x12fg), 9 rebs. Knights 30x56fg

Plattsburgh 78, Buffalo St. 66
SUNYIT 72, Fredonia 56
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 26, 2007, 10:22:59 pm
Now that is weird.  Last week I'd have said (and probably most of the other what felt like 12 people in attendance would have agreed) that New Paltz didn't belong on the same floor as Geneseo and now they beat them on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 26, 2007, 10:27:54 pm
Brockport 103, Oneonta 71
Oswego 82, Cortland 64
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 26, 2007, 11:26:05 pm
Oswego 42-29 at half. T.Franze 17 pts; E.Roberson 14 pts; K. Reuter 14 pts; T.Downing 11 pts; M. Burridge 10 pts. Corts C. Niehoff 17 pts, 6 rebs; D. Maggiacomo 11 pts, 5 rebs

IT's A. Gilkes 22 pts(9x12fg), 10 rebs; C. LaBoard 16 pts(6x11fg), 7 rebs, 4 assts, 2 stls; C. Reaves 11 pts, 6 stls, 4 assts; E. Belone 10 pts. Shoots 28x56fg to Freds 24x60. Devils T. Alassari 19 pts(5x13 3s), 4 stls; K. Reichlmayr 17 pts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 26, 2007, 11:39:15 pm
Brockport in charge, 46-37 at half and answers 61-51 Oneonta approach at 12:07 with 14-2 spurt to launch clinching  manuevers. Sherod Harris 29 pts, 7 stls; C. parrish 16 pts, 6 rebs; B. Williams 14 pts, 6 rebs; A. Poles 12 pts. in 14'
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: assassin on January 26, 2007, 11:58:13 pm
Geneseo loses tight one tonight against a hot shooting New Paltz team  74-71.  That being said, Zola and Coles, your points about woulda, coulda, shoulda are true but...tonight Geneseo plays without starting PG Bennett (foot??), SG-McDonnell (Knee), SG-Kling, and lost giant Sciera with an apparent arm injury.  That's 4 of your top 7 in minutes and points.  That's pretty tough to overcome no matter how talented you are.  35ppg and plenty of other intangibles out of lineup.  WIll be interesting to see how they bounce back against a solid Oneonta team coming off a blowout to BPort.  Who knows who will be in the lineup?  Bport looks to be getting back in sync as do Oswego and Plattsburgh.  Tomorrows games could really shake the top up.   
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 27, 2007, 09:24:25 am
Plattsburgh's T. Gorham 20 pts, 13 rebs; K. hunt 15 pts, 19 REBS; A. Miller 16 pts(7x9fg), 4 stls; A. Williams 11 pts, 6 assts. Cards shoot over 50% from field, BS 37%. Pburgh 47-34 reb. I. Skylark 16 pts for Bengals; B. Wood 14 pts, 6 assts; DJ Nubine-Mitchell 11 pts; D. Mozelle 10 rebs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 27, 2007, 07:30:45 pm
Broxkport 109, New Paltz 81. Second straight big game for Eagles. Off to 15-4 lead and extend to 55-41 at half. twas 73-62 at 11' prior to 23-4 Bport settlement. Hit 38x65fg, 9x14 3s, 24x29ft with 41reb, 22assts, 10 blks, 13 stls. NINETEEN Eagles play. B. Williams 17 pts(7x13fg), 10 rebs; Shawn Harris 14 pts; Sherod Harris 14 pts(5x7fg), 4 assts in 17'; S. Johnston 12 pts(4x5fg) in 13'. NP A. Foluke-Henderson 31 pts(11x18fg), 6 rebs; T. Cannon 14 pts; J. Hauser 12 pts

Oneonta 72, Geneseo 49. Ailing Gens! Oneonta 49-24 at half. Shoots 23x43fg, 11x22 3s in all. B. Fisk 31 pts(7x10 3s) in 22'; E. Bratt 14 pts(5x7fg). Knights 15x42fg, 2x12 3s. Within 11 in second half. S. Morton 11 pts; G. Spears 11 pts; J. Howe 10 pts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 27, 2007, 09:00:26 pm
Plattsburgh 69, Fredonia 55. Cards win 5th straight behind A. Williams 19 pts, 5 assts, 4 stls; J. Dumont 11 pts; T. Gorham 11 pts, 11 rebs. Freds K. Reichlmayr 16 pts(7x11fg); K. Saunders 11 pts(3x4 3s); K. Gordon 9 rebs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 27, 2007, 10:31:50 pm
Potsdam 83, Oswego 72: Bears land 19x33fg in opening half and 44-42 edge. Wind up 32x58fg, 10x17 3s, 43-34 board upsmanship. T.  Reinhardt 16 pts(7x9fg); B. Graney 15 pts(6x13fg), 5 reb, 4 stls in 26'; D. Brown 14 pts(5x5fg, 2x2 3s); J. Hall 8 assts; A. Williams 9 pts, 6 assts; B. Siskavich 11 pts, 11 rebs. Lakers 28x67fg (16x32 1st half). E. Roberson 25 pts(11x17fg, 3x7 3s), 7 rebs; M. Burridge 12 pts, 6 rebs; T. Downing 11 pts, 7 assts, 4 stls; K. Reuter 11 pts; T. Franze 5 pts(2x7fg), 4pf in 34'

SUNYIT 84, Buffalo St. 80
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 27, 2007, 11:29:47 pm
IT races to 49-31 halftime lead in 20x31fg (7x14 3s) display over 20'. Cats 33x63fg, 8x19 3s in all. E. Belone 22 pts(8x12fg); C. LaBoard 19 pts(7x12fg), 8 assts, 4 blks in 40'; C. Reaves 15 pts(6x14fg), 4 assts, 2 stls; A. Gilkes 10 pts, 5pf in 23'. BS 33x79fg. D. Mozelle 28 pts(11x19fg); I. Skylark 16 pts(7x12fg); J. Lawal 11 pts, 9 rebs; B. Wood 2 pts(1x9fg) in 23'
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: sports 101 on January 28, 2007, 07:06:53 pm
I think alot of people are counting suny it out of it again this year
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on January 28, 2007, 07:37:02 pm
I don't think you can count out SUNYIT at all. The only thing with them is their coaching. Can Grimmer keep control them like Murphy did or will the players control their own fate.

I still don't know if we can count out Plattsburgh either. They have SUNYAC experience unlike any other team in the tourney. Though they don't have Gibbs-Smith they still have everyone else back with the addition of Khylan Hunt who is a very good player in his own right.

I think the front runner has to be Brockport right now though. They are really starting to play well and have enough good players that other teams just can't focus on one guy.

As everyone knows in the SUNYAC, anything could happen and I'm sure it will...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on January 28, 2007, 08:03:15 pm
Brockport also finishes up with 5 of there last 8 at home. After there next 2 road games at geneseo and at fredonia the finish up with 5 of 6 at tuttle north where they are lighting teams up. What is the deal with sunyac tourney this year, i know first round is on campus but the schedule also says final 4 on campus?? How do they determine who hosts and i would think on such late notice some gyms would already be spoken for?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 28, 2007, 09:21:21 pm
Highest remaining seed hosts semis/final. Would assume each SUNYAC school aware of that and has facilities available 2/23-24

Also see by Pburgh website Gibbs-Smith just signed pro contract with Philippean Pro League
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on January 29, 2007, 01:01:40 am
One day in Jersey and the league goes wild.

Consideration to ROCfan. You know the season is not going as planned when you have team highlight film running on Monday night episodes of ER.

Wicked Eagles weekend. Deliver coup de grace to the Knights this Tuesday? Will be there rooting for the crutched and bandaged Knights to avoid a train wreck.

Plattsburg with 5 straight. Good eye jdex. Anyone else paying attention?

Bears recover from a crushing loss at home to the Cards on Tuesday with a sweet win at home over the Lakers. Lights out shooting.

Stick a regular season fork in IT. At Plattsburg Tuesday for their 5th loss (last time I  called a game correctly was 1986 – but take this to the bank).

If not for Port @ Geneseo would make the short (??) drive to New Paltz and catch their game with Cortland. Have enjoyed watching them both this year. Both more competitive than their records indicate. Interesting to watch Spanbauer rebuild although this year has not been his best effort. Can comment more if anyone interested…otherwise not. New Paltz Coach P is sharp, young guy doing a nice job. Which brings me to the topic for the Latest Rant of The Week.

Now that the SUNYAC has finally abandoned the Aud as the tourney venue, years after it was abandoned by SUNYAC fans, perhaps the league brain trust might reconsider another of it's more deluded decisions and once again include the top 10 schools (if not the top 11 – yes, that would mean everyone) in the tournament. We are half way through the season; maybe Buff State stumbles and New Paltz climbs one spot – but that’s the extent of suspense as to who is in and who is not. I expect the Buffs to finish 7-10 and that is the best NP can finish given their schedule, while 5-11 or 6-9 is more likely.

What I miss – what the league does not provide – is an opportunity for a clear, yet competitive underdog to excel in the tournament. Stuff happens, boys and girls, that makes for interesting basketball. When the decision was made several years ago to truncate the tournament it was not made with the support of the student reps to the "advisory" council. Where are the advocates of inclusion? Much can change late in the season. Where are the advocates for giving teams who have worked hard all year one last chance at the brass ring? It seem odd that a league that takes ever so much pride in the old saw that on any given night…blah, blah, blah…has a system of tie breakers in place to exclude teams from their tournament that tie for 8th place with identical won-loss records.

Now that the league has, at least for the short run, opted to bring tournament games out to people who actually care, perhaps they could also, once again, include more or  all of the teams that matter.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on January 29, 2007, 01:52:55 am
No parity? Whoa, not so fast my friend.

The number four and number six seeds played in the SUNYAC championship game last year.

SUYNYIT, the fourth seed, knocked off top seeded and two-loss Cortland in the semifinals. In the other semifinal, the sixth seed, Plattsburgh, beat the number two seed, Oswego.

Plattsburgh then crushed SUNYIT the next day to win the championship. They very well could have advanced into the second round of the NCAA tournament if not for some missed foul shots late against Hamilton.

The Cardinals were 8-8 after the regular season and started their upset parade by defeating Brockport State in the opening round.

That sounds like parity to me my friend.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on January 29, 2007, 02:33:35 pm
Dear John,

You conveniently, or purposefully,  missed the point of the post. The post was not in the least about parity - but about inclusion; or, in the case of 27% of the league's basketball teams, exclusion from tournament play.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 29, 2007, 02:36:58 pm
Zola,
 TSpan must be chugging an extra BLite these nights. Very, very confounding team. Hasn't shot the ball anywhere near as expected. Still, with defense has managed to be competitive nearly every time out. Still doesn't finish strong. A take-charge entity among the missing, though 6-4 soph C. Niehoff has blossomed. Frosh 6-6 Mike Lewis coming. Junior J. Miolen provides flash and dash. Maggiacomo from 42 to zip, which says it all about his standstill shooting-failure to create abilities. Jutton (school career leader in made 3) MIA most nights, along with Jankiewicz. Headley apparently bothered by broken nose. Could still be building next winter, especially in backcourt

This far into the season and Span's still looking for right combinations. Lot of hands, little consistency.

Nice upcoming Corts schedule. Put on the miles tomorrow to New Paltz. Next week make week night journey to Potsdam. NP's Dougie Pasquerella a TSpan protege. Expected him to do well this winter. We shall see.

Anyone remember early days of SUNYAC when all eight members gathered at single site (Cortland packed 'em in at old Moffett Center) for tourney. Four games each of three days. Great environment.

Think Johnny Mac can be excused, judging from hour of his post. Got your drift, Z.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on January 29, 2007, 02:56:05 pm
I admit I did miss the jist of the post.

I disagree that all the teams should be allowed in the post-season tournament. Eight's more than enough as it is in an eleven team league. You don't want to reward someone with a post-season berth by going 1-13 or whatever it is in the league.

The tournament's already spread out enough between three days of games, I can't see them adding a fourth, which in essence, would be play-in games.

When I first started covering the SUNYAC, I remember three days worth of games all coming at the decrepid Aud (men and women) and how draining it was for everyone, players, coaches, fans, SIDs, broadcasters. At least now, the tournament's more spread out with the days off in between the first round and semi-finals.

The final few spots give the teams in the lower tier something to play for. While they'd be playing for seeding in an eleven-team format, it's not the same as not making the playoffs. I think it would be watering down the tournament competition and lowering the league standards.

That's how all the SUNYAC tournaments are, not everyone makes it. In baseball, there's eight teams, and only four make the conference tournament - three days of endless baseball. In hockey, there's eight teams and six make it. There's two play-in games, then you have your final four. The two worst teams are left out.

Why reward mediocrity and poor play?

I don't want to come off like an @$$hole, but not everyone should be in the conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: unbearable on January 29, 2007, 05:15:42 pm
I'm sure this will put me in the minority, but I liked the 1980's 4-team tournament that rotated the championship between campus sites of East #1 (usually Potsdam or Albany) and West #1 (usually Buffalo State or Brockport).  It made for a great weekend, with thousands of fans.  I thought going to the Tuesday/ Friday/ Saturday, eight-team format cheapened it a bit.  I've been to the Aud in Utica almost every year, and I think it is pathetic.  High school games draw more than the SUNYAC championship does.  Players should have the ability to close their collegiate careers in front of many fans, not empty seats. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: sports 101 on January 29, 2007, 07:32:07 pm
Zola,

I sorry to say but i think your wrong about suny it and plattsburg outcome.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on January 29, 2007, 07:45:10 pm
SUNYIT Schedule for last year shows them losing SUNYAC finals to Pburgh 94-73.  Since the game was played in Utica, and this site has already documented that Murph practiced at the Aud all week before the tournament, sounds like the Cats got whupped at home or close to it.

Most large conferences have at least eight spots in the conference tournament.  Agree that campus sites make more sense unless there is a truly spectacular venue. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 29, 2007, 08:00:24 pm
Oh but for twin divisions again. But guess what we have now is better than the BIG East lineup that you have to take both shoes off to finish counting

Suppose locales of SUNYAC institutions prevents such a 6-5 setup now. Morrisville the 12th?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on January 29, 2007, 10:24:35 pm
Tis the plan for '07-08.  Play home & home within 6 team division, play 3 home 3 away vs. all teams in opposite division.
Still yields a 16 game schedule. Top 4 in each division qualify for playoffs.

Will try to get tenative lineup of Divisions. 

Obvious teams:

East:

NP
Oneonta
Plattsburgh
Potsdam

West
Fredonia
Buffalo
Geneseo
Brockport

TBD

Corts
Oswego
SUNYIT
Morrisville

If Corts & Oswego both to West, that Division would be loaded in most years, largest schools, most urban schools, both phys ed schools.

May have details tom'w



Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on January 29, 2007, 10:55:42 pm
Bear -- that's very interesting news.  As a Potsdam fan, you've got to be thrilled.  As an objective observer and being desirous of fair distribution of teams you've got to be appalled.

Potsdam or Plattsburgh would win a basketball division with NP, Oneonta, SUNYIT, and Morrisville every year.  And you could assume that one deserving member of Geneseo, Brockport, Buff State, Cortland, and Oswego would miss the tourney almost every season, while Morrisville or New Paltz might sneak in. 

Nothing against those schools, but like you alluded to -- because of their nature they'll never be SUNYAC basketball powerhouses. 

We'll have to wait for the official word, but if they truly split the league up geographically it will certainly irk some folks.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on January 30, 2007, 01:39:01 am
What other way is there to do it but geographically?  Since they'd probably use this format for all SUNYAC sports where there are at least 9-10 teams, balancing it out for men's basketball might create an overload in baseball or lacrosse or women's soccer or whatever.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on January 30, 2007, 09:18:01 am
Well, of course it's geographically.  The question is how strictly they follow it.  You could put Morrisville and SUNYIT in the "west", and place Cortland and Oswego in the "east", which is what the Bear was alluding to.

Any drive Morrisville and SUNYIT would have to make to Buff State or Fredonia still wouldn't be as long as the trips Potsdam/Plattsburgh and New Paltz have to make to see each other.

And because of the dominance of the urban/phys ed schools in virtually all SUNYAC athletics, the same argument that applies to basketball applies to baseball, soccer, lacrosse and the rest.

There's a reason you see Cortland and Brockport in every SUNYAC sport's postseason tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on January 30, 2007, 11:57:15 am
They use the geographic split for volleyball, where there's the same glut of teams as basketball.

East
Cortland, New Paltz, Oneonta, Plattsburgh, Potsdam, SUNYIT

West
Brockport, Geneseo, Fredonia, Oswego, Buffalo State

My guess would be Morrisville goes in the East and Cortland moves to the west. Though, as people have already pointed out, that's an absolutely terrible basketball division that Potsdam and Plattsburgh would easily dominate.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gobombers15 on January 30, 2007, 01:34:02 pm
They use the geographic split for volleyball, where there's the same glut of teams as basketball.

East
Cortland, New Paltz, Oneonta, Plattsburgh, Potsdam, SUNYIT

West
Brockport, Geneseo, Fredonia, Oswego, Buffalo State

My guess would be Morrisville goes in the East and Cortland moves to the west. Though, as people have already pointed out, that's an absolutely terrible basketball division that Potsdam and Plattsburgh would easily dominate.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I agree with you, John. However, think of the other sports, too. The West would be unreal for soccer with Brockport, Geneseo and Cortland all in the same division. If I remember correctly, that tourney only has four teams; if they took two from each division, it would probably be the case that the 3rd place team in the West would be better than 1st place team in the East. That's how it goes sometimes, I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 30, 2007, 01:44:35 pm
Tuesday tussles take high-falutin' Brockport to woozy Geneseo, SUNYIT to Plattsburgh, Buffalo St. to Fredonia, Cortland to New Paltz. Oneonta home vs. Ithaca.

Earlier indicated Corts next week in Pdam for second midweek trip in a row. Actually that's two weeks away. Corts entertain Pdam and Pburgh this weekend
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on January 30, 2007, 01:49:52 pm
One way to get over the difference in the strengths various schools have in different sports AND still divide the divisions on geographic areas so that teams travel is balanced... would be to get out of the box where an even number of teams from each division qualify for the tournament.

i.e. based on the soccer example just given...  Take the top team from each division and the next best records no matter what division the teams are from.  With this, based on the soccer example, one team from the east... and three from the west...

Best teams get in the tournament... if you have 6 teasm in, you could do the same thing with either the top one or two from each division and then take the next best teams until the tournament field is filled.

That would help with the different schools being stronger in different sports...

Also, Geneseo seems to be in the running every year for the Commisioners cup... they aren't a PE school but they seem to complete for the cup annually.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 30, 2007, 02:19:49 pm
Max,
Don't know about best-records-after-champs theory. Remember, you have unbalanced schedules. A team with a better record would be playing more games vs. bad teams from second rate division. That's if you play home and home in your division, and once against each of other division teams.

Also, am unsure of the phys ed mentality. Being a Cortland loyalist, see how it should and has influenced sports teams. But other SUNYAC members with other majors have certainly held their own. Coaches for sure have a lot to do with that. Their interest, desire, willingness to stay and build a program. Think if you check out successful programs through the years you'll find that type of leadership.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on January 30, 2007, 02:33:36 pm
Both you guys make good points.  If I'm allowed to continue to clarify -- some schools in the SUNYAC (New Paltz and Morrisville, for example) are simply not going to compete with some other schools (Cortland and Brockport) athletically, year in and year out, because of the academic and geographic nature of those institutions. 

I don't think there's going to be much disagreement with that.

The other schools that do well athletically have their own unique attributes that help them get kids with talent there (Geneseo's strong academics and unique programs within the SUNY system, for example).

Anyway, the point originally was pretty simple -- a sports division that contains New Paltz, Morrisville, and Oneonta (as well as SUNYIT) is going to be a lot weaker than one that contains Cortland, Brockport, Geneseo, and Oswego -- across the board, in all sports.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on January 30, 2007, 03:29:40 pm
This doesn't necessarily mean that all sports are going to be split into divisions. Because, not all the schools sponsor the exact same sports.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on January 30, 2007, 04:30:16 pm
Link to Morrisville D-III announcement is here

http://www.morrisville.edu/Athletics/NCAA.aspx

It appears from this that they won't be an official conference member for '07-08.

They participate in

Field Hockey
M & W Soccer
Volleyball
Ice Hockey
M&W Hoops
M&W Swimming & Diving
M&W Lax
W SB

and

Football

Also Oneonta M. Soccer is dropping down from D-I, and will likely be a D-III soccer power in future years.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on January 30, 2007, 04:57:33 pm
The SUNYAC is going to have a tough time figuring out the conference situation. Maybe Mr. Damore will retire before this all happens so he doesn't have to deal with potential fiasco.

As far as teams competing, I think some of it has to do with coaching, facilities, and location. I think that New Paltz can compete within the SUNYAC conference, their volleyball teams have because they recruit hard and get the right people. They now have a new facility. Plus, they are a little over an hour from NYC. If you think about, Potsdam and Plattsburgh's rosters are littered with players from NYC. You would think that NP could snatch some good players from that area. And don't tell me the lure of Canada is helping Potsdam and Plattsburgh recruit. It's really cold up there.

Now, don't get me wrong here, Brockport and Cortland have an advantage because they are phys. ed schools. That is a big draw because a lot of athletes want to be teachers and/or coaches. But why couldn't NP be like Geneseo. They stress academics and still excel on athletics. Geneseo would be a great place if it wasn't for a that terrible floor that use for basketball. I know New Paltz isn't that great of a town but what SUNY school has a great town to go with it.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 30, 2007, 10:39:45 pm
Brockport 82, Geneseo 70. Eagles out to 19-7 lead. Knights rally via 11-0 tear. Bport to 42-39 half in sharpshooting period by both. Gens within 53-49 before 12-0 Port run. Bport 29x52fg, 8x18 3s. Shawn Harris 14 pts(5x10fg); C. Parrish 13 pts(5x6fg), 5 pf in 27'; M. Wilkes 13 pts(3x5fg); B. Williams 11 pts(4x8fg), 6 reb; D. Maldonado 11 pts off bench(4x6fg); Sherod Harrris 9 pts, 5 assts, 3 stls in team leading 29'. Knights 22x42fg, 6x12 3s, 20x23ft. Returning J. Kling 17 pts(8x8ft); T.Kitson 13 pts; S. Morton 12 pts, 6 rebs, 6 assts. Gens 26 trnvrs

Oneonta 68, Ithaca 62. Dragons lead practically all the way. By 12 in first half but small numbers thereafter including 28-27 half. OSt 23x53fg, 6x15 3s. E. Bratt 15 pts(3x5fg, 2x4 3s), 7x8ft, 3 assts, 4 stls; W. heslin 13 pts(4x8fg); K. Reed 12 pts, 6 rebs; M. Reardon 12 pts(5x7fg), 3 stls; J. Murphy 9 rebs. IC 23x67fg. S. Burton 25pts(9x15fg); S. Leahy 10 pts(4x14fg)

Cortland 73, New Paltz 70 ot
Fredonia 78, Buffalo St. 75, ot
Plattsburgh 91, SUNYIT 76


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 30, 2007, 11:19:59 pm
Plattsburgh's seventh in a row featuring A. Williams 21 pts, 12 assts;T. Gorham 14 pts, 13 rebs; K. Hunt 13 pts, 10 rebs; A.Miller 16 pts; J. Dumont 5 assts. For IT twas C. Reaves 24 pts, 13 rebs; C. LaBoard 24 pts; A. Gilkes 8 rebs. Cards 52-38 reb

Cortland's D. Maggiacomo steals inbound throw and sinks jumper at 0:01 of reg -- 59 all. NP forges 63-59 lead prior to 9-0 CSt run and advantage at 0:35 of ot. C. Niehoff free throw. Hawks miss trey at end. Corts 35-30 at intermission. Shoot 25x76fg, 5x22 3s and get game on 18x23ft to NP 10x21ft. Just 8 Dragon trnvrs. Maggiacomo 15 pts off bench. D. Jutton 15 pts(5x12fg), 4 assts; M. Lewis huge with 13 pts, 15 REB in 33'; C. Niehoff 12 pts(4x17fg); R. Headley 10 pts.
NP outboarded 54-45. A. Foluke-Henderson 21 pts, 12 rebs, 4 assts; J. Hauser 19 pts, 9 reb; M. Irwin 4 assts. NP 28x60fg

Fredonia comes from 19 back. First lead on K. Reichlmayr hoop starting ot. Freds 13 down with 4:34 left in reg. 13-0 run gets 67 knot on T. Alassari ft at 0:15. J. Kane 22 pts(8x11fg) in 24' as reserve; Reichlmayr 20 pts, 7 rebs; Alassari 12 pts, 5 assts, 5 stls. Freds 23x52fg, 22x27ft. BS 38-25 lead at half. Bengals 28x62fg, 13x18ft. D. Mozelle 13 pts. BS left thirsting for program's 1000th win
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on January 31, 2007, 01:22:47 am
Just back from Geneseo. jdex, as usual, thanks lots of pertinent stats. However, the defining stat tonight was turnovers: 18 for Port - almost excusable for a team that relies on a lot of transition - again, almost; 28 for the Knights.

Exciting first half, beyond-belief-pathetic 2nd.  A dark and stormy night with unforced turnover, after unforced turnover....you get the point. Not many defensive gems in this mess. The Z's were no small part of the problem: called a rash of walks on everything that moved for a 4-5 minute span; then called more carries over the next 4-5 minutes than I've seen year-to-date; then called nothing at all for a while. Sherod Harris (he and his brother are worth the price of admission - well, anywhere except at 6-bucks-a-game Geneseo) spent more time in conference with the Z's than with Coach W. Especially liked the arm around the shoulder move pose.

Knights down 11 with 5:30 remaining and my ever-the-optimist sister commented that it was still a 4 possession game. She paused for a moment and continued, well, that presupposes that they (Geneseo) will actually take 4 shots before the game is over. By the 2:30 mark, they had managed to get one to the rim.

Terrific scoring balance from the Eagles.

Ah well, expected more from this game, but sometimes mediocrity does get rewarded.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on January 31, 2007, 01:16:59 pm
Two big wins for Brockport basketball last night...

I think that the realingment discussion is full of all kinds of pitfalls and great ideas.  I also think that it could be done on sport by sport basis, and unless a sport has 10 or more teams in it stay in one division, and do some type of balance scheduling.

If Morrisville drops out, that will really drop a wrench into the mix... as 11 is one of the toughest numbers to schedule.

On another thread:
The schools are all strong in different sports... so every school can have its day.  I think New paltz has improved over the years, but not sure it will match the tradition of success that Geneseo has shown.

And anohter one:
Oneonta will be a D-III soccer power for several years.  What prompted the change in classification.


AND it is cold everywhere in NY at this time of year... not just Potsdam and Plattsburgh!  brrrrr...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on January 31, 2007, 02:15:29 pm
While somewhat off topic, here's the memo from the Oneonta president regarding reclassification.

Somewhat tough to be the lone ranger I would think.

http://www.oneonta.edu/academics/athletics/MSOCCER/donovanmemo.pdf



Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 31, 2007, 05:48:19 pm
Oneonta came down to III slate last fall after having pretty fair run in I ranks for about 15 seasons. Red Dragons were still SUNYAC soccer in late 80s. Of course, neighbor Hartwick is I in city housing National Soccer Hall of Fame. Both schools were grandfathered to I when NCAA required members declare affiliation to one classification in all sports. A few were allowed to stay I, with other sports III, such as Hobart lacrosse, Hopkins lacrosse, Clarkson pucks, SL pucks and the like. OSt returning to III soccer should heighten SUNYAC boot play
As release from 11/05 pointed out, financial considerations (as in scholarships) certainly was driving factor

Hoops tonight: NP at Baruch
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on January 31, 2007, 11:31:13 pm
New Paltz holds on at Baruch for 65-64 win. Deja vu alll over again? Not quite. Unlike previous night when NP saw late lead slip away at home to Cortland, NP saw 65-60 edge at 1:04 dwindle but ..... Baruch misses at horn. Hawks 38-33 at half. Connect on 23x51fg. A. Foluke-Henderson 17 pts(8x12fg) to reach career 1,000. Adds 7 rebs; T. Cannon 16 pts(6x11fg), 12 rebs, 5 stls, 4 assts; J. Hauser 11 pts, 5 rebs.

Corts D. Jutton in Tuesday win surpassed 1,000 career pts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on February 01, 2007, 02:59:49 pm
Dandy weekend to be in Cortland. Every Potsdam game this season is a surprise - which of the multiple personality Bears shows up for this one? Cortland's Mike Lewis is one of the better SUNYAC frosh and worth a look. Bears Damon Brown can impress on the offensive end when bears remember to give him some minutes.

Ski Greek Peak Saturday morning. New snow and a toddy or two. Brilliant!

Plattsburg for the afternoon finale. Cards should be fresh - no Friday game - and motivated. Without another shot at Port, no need to look past anyone; Curles need to continue to win out for a shot at the top. Don't expect Dragons to make it easy.

Common sense puts the Dragon's on an 0-2 weekend - but they have put out good efforts all season, and when the Bears decide to lose, no one can stop them.

Eagles go 2-0; at Fredonia Friday; at home v. Oswego Saturday. Lakers desparate for a win, but without a point - what's the point? Geneseo should be smart enough for Saturday win. Weekend upset: Oneonta has too much fun with an open Friday and stumbles at NP.

Was in Geneseo's "new" basketball gym for first time Tuesday. Great looking floor, excellent lighting, scoreboards, sound.... Downside: Hosted bigger Super Bowl parties than this facility holds, but at $6 a ticket - seating size not an issue during the season.

 




Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on February 01, 2007, 03:25:15 pm
Did Geneseo renovate that old gym that was in the back of the facility? That floor, I think, would be much better for fans and players a like. Ask any opposing SUNYAC team and they hate going to the terrible floors at Fredonia and Geneseo's old one. I think with the smaller capacity it makes it more of a high school gym, but it gives the Knights a home court advantage, where the fans are closer.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 01, 2007, 07:39:23 pm
Have shifted to Bradenton area. Posting a ????? We shall see
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 02, 2007, 05:35:44 pm
Only two games to fry on Friday fish day. Bport and Pdam have road hooks baited for Freds and Corts, respectively.

Saturday tier I tilt has Oswego at 'Port. Oneonta big date at NP, while Gens and IT rumble in Utica (or is it NY Mills). Streaking Pburgh is at Corts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 02, 2007, 09:45:14 pm
Cortland 89, Potsdam 74.  D. Jutton 28 pts, D. Maggiacomo 20. Red Dragons land 14 threes. D. Brown paces Bears
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 02, 2007, 09:57:10 pm
Cortland on fire from a distance. Sinks 14x29 3s and 29x54fg overall with 17x18ft display. D. Jutton 28 pts, 5 rebs; D. Maggiacomo 21 pts; C. Niehoff 13 pts, 5 rebs; J. Miolen 9 pts; P. Oliver 8 pts, 4 rebs; M. Lewis 6 pts, 7 rebs. Potsdam 24x58fg, 7x22 3s, 19x29ft. D.Brown 20 pts, 7 rebs, 4 assts; B. Graney 12 pts;T. Reinhardt 10 pts;B. Siskavich 10 pts, 5 rebs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 02, 2007, 10:05:26 pm
Brockport routs host Fredonia 74-51. Making 16x26 shots, Eagles soar to 43-17 halftime bulge. Make 27x46fg, half of 16 treys. Sherod harris 14 pts(5x7 3s) 3 assts, 3 stls in 23'; C. Parrish 13 pts(5x6fg) 6 rebs in 20'; J. Johnson 12 pts(5x7 3s) in 13'; Shawn Harris 5 assts, 3 stls. Freds 19x54fg. K. Reichlmayr 10 pts(4x8fg) 8 rebs, 5 stls
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on February 02, 2007, 11:58:32 pm
Weather in Cortland was terrible. Potsdam was worse. Only 11 traveled; point guard Scott Mitchell wasn't one of them (illness) and sorely missed. As already noted, torrid shooting night for the Dragons. Great to see Cort's frosh Mike Lewis get big minutes and play solid along with Niehoff (soph). Careful Bears, opportunity to finish the season with 9 - 10 losses is available. No comments on any individual Bear. Lots of minutes from almost all in attendance; ergo, lots of blame to go around. (S. Dobbs might consider shortening bench to save several from further embarassment. A cheap shot? Perhaps. Accurate? Absolutely. This team is not 9 - 10 deep and pretendng it is...). Check the box for gruesome details. Cards remain hope of the north.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 03, 2007, 09:10:42 am
Z,
Sorry to hear Cortland climate a tad unsettled (not really since we're deep in the heart of Florida -- deep enough to miss tragic central FL scene). Hope you can reach slopes of the Peak for some downhill action (Pdam imitation?) and pint or two. Should you get a chance take in nearby Hollenbeck's Cider Mill. Outstanding cider, pies, fudge, etc. Bruce H. a jolly good chap

Thanks for pointing out Mitchell absence. Dragons will have handful in Pburghers. But should Corts light it up again, who knows. Don't know  what story is with Paul Oliver, rawboned 6-6, 250 lb frosh. Hasn't played of late till Friday. He and Lewis certainly give future hope. Oliver also a football TE
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on February 03, 2007, 11:26:51 am
After winning 5 straight sunyac games  Bport has put a little distance between them and the pack. I realize its only 1 game but they also hold the tie breaker with the 3 teams behind them. Brockport now has the luxury of finishing up with 5 of there last 6 games at HOME. The only roady is to sunyit. With that said i realize sunyac is always very unpredictable but this is setting up nice for the eagles. Today is an important game against oswego, the eagles are out to avenge an earlier loss to the lakers. The lakers have the luxury of not playing in the last week and the port was on the road at fredonia last night. Last time these 2 played i think the port was whistled for like 40 pf's. The lakers shot something like 60ft's? I dont expect that to happen this time and i expect bport to pull away in the 2nd half i will go with 91-76 Bport!!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on February 03, 2007, 02:27:06 pm
jdex: Good to hear primary poster is safe and well. Actually CNY weather wasn't unsettled at all. Snow settled into drifts. Automobiles, small dogs, and children settled into snow. Should reappear in 60 - 90 days. Thanks for the tip on Hollenbeck's.

bports: Sounds reasonable. Would appreciate feedback on today's game. Drama remaining in reg season is positional - particularly who gets 8th and final spot.

Game time.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 03, 2007, 06:20:40 pm
Plattsburgh 62, Cortland 55. Big performances from K. Hunt (23 pts on 9x11fg) and A. Williams (21 pts on 7x15fg, 3x8 3s, 4 assts, 2 stls) for Cards in 8th straight W. Corts most of first half till Hunt layup at 0:01 provided 25-24 edge. Game tied at 39 midway thru second half. Pburgh seizes lead and holds tight in limited single figures. Cards 23x49fg, 11x15ft. Corts WITH 46-26 BOARD MARGIN, but in reversal from previous night only 23x68fg AND 5x24 3s. J. Dumont 6 assts, T. Gorham 10 pts(4x7fg) and 8 rebs for Cards. CSt's J. Miolen 15 pts(6x12fg, 2x4 3) in 22' starting backcourt role. M. Lewis 11 pts(5x10fg), 12 rebs inc 7 offense as Corts have 23 `O' reb. D. Jutton 0x6 3s, D. Maggiacomo 2x8 3s

Oneonta 75, New Paltz 57

Would have to say Corts, NP and Freds looking more and more  like short straw guys. Can beat each other but not much else -- unless Corts light it up like vs. Pdam on Friday
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on February 03, 2007, 11:04:52 pm
I guess i will take my pat on the back, Bport 91 oswego 76 is the final. See my post from 11am this morning LOL. Does anyone want any inside info on the super bowl? I will post tomorrows score in the afternoon. Back to a serious note Bport leads big the entire way. Bport goes up 45-28 at the half, oswego cuts it to 8 and then Bport goes on another late run. Game starts an hour late after a two hour blizzard. Refs were no where to be seen and they finally showed up. This makes 7 straight sunyac wins for the port with 4 of the last 5 at home. This was a good win playing a good oswego team that didnt have to play last night. Next up is buff st tues night, good work eagles.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 03, 2007, 11:51:12 pm
Bport's C. Parrish 29 pts(7x10fg, 14x15ft), 8 rebs; B. Williams 16 pts(7x12fg), 11 rebs; M. Wilkes 13 pts(4x6fg); A. Poles 12 pts; Shawn Harris 7 assts; Sherod Harris 4 assts, 3 stls. Eagles 27x55fg, 7x16 3s, 40 reb, 30x35ft. Oswego 27x67fg, 19x28ft, 3x16 3s, 36 rebs. M. Burridge 23 pts(9x14fg), 8 rebs, 4pf in 24'; T. Franze 17 pts(7x14fg), 8 rebs, 4pf in 32'

SUNYIT 70, Geneseo 63. IT 17x31fg 1st half enroute to 44-28 lead. Cats 23x57fg, 10x25 3s, 14x20ft. Only 6pf. Gens 7x10ft. E. Belone 17 pts(6x11fg); A. Gilkes 14 pts, 10 rebs; C. Plante 13 pts(4x10 3s); C. LaBoard 14 pts, 6 rebs, 4 assts, 4 stls; C. Reaves 12 pts, 7 assts, 5 stls, 8 trnvs. Gen 26x55fg, 4x19 3s. T.Kitson 24 pts(11x17fg), 8 rebs in 27'; G. Spears 10 pts off bench(4x6fg); S. Morton 6 assts; S. McDonnell 4 assts, 0pts(0x4fg) in 18' bench duty

Oneonta 14-0 lead before NP connects. 39-18 at half. Dragons 25x57fg, 21x33ft. M. Reardon 17 pts(7x9fg); W. Heslin 9 rebs, 2 assts, 4 blks; E. Bratt 12 pts, 3 assts; K. Reed 11 pts(5x9fg); J. Murphy 10 pts(4x6fg). NP minus A. Foluke-Henderson. M. Hauser 12 pts(all 3s second half); J. Sugrue 12 pts(5x10fg); J. Hauser 10 pts; L. Bertrum 9 rebs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on February 04, 2007, 12:31:12 pm
Man i knew cantrel parish had a good game but 29 pts for a frosh. This kid is going to be very very good!!!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on February 04, 2007, 02:44:46 pm
bports: Will be going to the Turningstone this week. Please choose any 5 numbers from 00 - 36 and send them along. Will play $10 on each - 1 roulette spin.

After unsuccessfully trying to "will" a win for NP, you understand why I would preferto  play your numbers rather than my own.

Parish impressed when I say him at Oswego and continues to settle in. Will be making a Brockport and Geneseo visit this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 06, 2007, 09:47:24 pm
Cortland 59, Oneonta 55
Brockport 94, Buffalo St. 67
New Paltz 91, Morrisville 61
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on February 06, 2007, 09:57:00 pm
Brockport pretty much has there way with buff st. Eagles play a sloppy first 10 minutes then go on a run and lead at the half by either 14 or 15. Brockport comes out in the second half a little sloppy then extends lead to 25. I think it was 94-67 final, just like index said. Sherod harris had another huge game with 23 pts 6 assts. Bwilliams and c parish with 16 and 15 respectively. This was the 8th straight win in sunyac for the eagles and will still play 3 of last 4 at home. Next up is home against potsdam and dont think the eagles will forget blowing that 18 pt lead at potsdam. That was also without two of there current starters 2nd semester additions harris and parish.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 06, 2007, 10:17:51 pm
Cortland keeps playoff bid in motion by sinking Oneonta. Clutch free throwing in stretch by D. Jutton. CSt 30-24 at half. Shoots 19x44fg, 9x17 3s. C. Niehoff 15 pts, 8 rebs; Jutton 13 pts(4x8fg); D. Maggiacomo 13 pts(4x8fg, 4x6 3s). OSt 14x46fg, 7x24 3s, 20x23ft. W. Heslin 18 pts(11x13ft); B. Fish 13 pts(4x9fg, 3x8 3s); E. Bratt 11 pts(4x9fg, 3x7 3s

NP 42-29 half. A. Foluke-Henderson 19 pts(8x11fg), 8 rebs; M. Hauser 15 pts(5x7 3);M. Irwin 4 assts, 4 stls; L. Bertram 10 rebs. 32x53fg, 12x20 3s, 15x23ft. Mville 17x60fg. 4-16 record

Plattsburgh 86, Middlebury 69
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 06, 2007, 10:29:15 pm
SUNYIT 90, Potsdam 79
Fredonia at Thiel from Mon., ppd.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on February 07, 2007, 12:00:35 am
Once again Potsdam proves its the best 10 minute team in the league...Once again Potsdam proves its the worst 10 minute team in the league.

Best first half aspect for the Bears - the well done SUNY Potsdam promo pieces(T-W televised). The worst - well everything: 13 turnovers (Bears give the no-look pass  new meaning); no boards; shooting (what shooting? started 0-9 from 3); down 20 at the half - and, oh yea, this thing was televised.

Second half - Scott Mitchell goes nuts; several Bears remember to play defense...for a while; more than 1 guy boxes out on the glass, for a while; cut a 21 pt deficit to 4 over 10 minute span; then, crash and burn and lose by 11.

Anyone see Cortland's win?

Friday's slate is looking great. Billy games in Geneseo, Buff, and the Port.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 07, 2007, 09:56:29 am
IT's C. Reaves 27 pts(11x12fg, 3x4 3s, 8 reb, 4 asst, 4 st in 38'; C. LaBoard 15 pts(. 11x13ft), 8 reb, 5 assts, 2 stl in 40'; E. Belone 12 pts(5x10fg); C. Plante 11 pts(3x103s); A. Edwards 11 pts(4x5fg) in 18' spare duty; A. Gilkes 9 rebs, 8 pts. Unloads at 31x62fg clip(19x36 1st half), 8x24 3s. CHECK OUT ft: IT 20x25, Pdam 3x5. Bears D. Brown 21 pts(8x16fg), 3 assts; S. Mitchell 20 pts(7x14fg, 6x12 3s); B. Siskavich 10 pts(5x7fg); J. Hall 10 pts(5x6fg). Mitchell 18 pts 2nd half on 6x8 3s. Bears down 49-29 at half but shoot 20x38fg 2nd half, 33x66 overall, 10x31 3s

Plattsburgh's A. Williams 29 pts(11x24fg, 4x7 3s), 7 rebs, 8 assts as Cards win 9th straight heading into Friday's game at Geneseo, whose Knights tonight tangle with Oswego. T. Gorham 13 pts, 13 rebs, 5 blks; K. Hunt 12 pts. Pburgh 41-28 at half. Sinks 33x70fg, 9x20 3s. Middlebury (13-9) has 27x74fg effort

Buff St's 7th straight setback includes D. Mozelle 16 pts, 7 rebs; J.Lawal 14 pts, 6 rebs, 4 stls; B.Wood 10 pts. Bport 43-30 reb advantage
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on February 07, 2007, 01:51:59 pm
Just got done looking at the SUNYIT-Potsdam box. IT only went 6 deep, 2 minutes from someone doesn't count in my book. Potsdam doesn't play Reinhardt in the second half and Alvin Dike doesn't play. Did these guys get hurt because they were both getting good minutes at the beginning of the year and now they aren't getting much. Any word from the injury front?

Both Brockport and Plattsburgh seem to be pulling away from the pack. It should definitely be an interesting matchup if they play each other in the SUNYACs. We shall see. It looks like Whitmore is back to his old ways playing 47 different guys while most teams are shortening their bench at this point. The team this team plays together the scarier that could be come SUNYAC and NCAA time.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: BBM on February 07, 2007, 02:12:38 pm
Both Tim Reinhart and Alvin Dike are battling this tough flu virus that is pounding northern NY right now. SUNYIT was much quicker than Potsdam last night. Free throw line proved to be the big difference, again. Potsdam has to take the ball to the hole as that is what is being called this year. Any Potsdam players listening????
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: sports 101 on February 07, 2007, 03:28:53 pm
To keep it real IT went 7 deep watch the game at 7 tonight on time warner channel no excuses where the flu came about but any way i guess they were  camera shy and to say bport and plattsbugh are running away with it  save it cortland was  running away with it last year what happened.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 07, 2007, 10:58:54 pm
Oswego 67, Geneseo 60. Lakers out to 21-8 lead, 28-19 half. Knight close to 37-33 at 11:39. OSt 8-0 run follows to take command. K. Reuter off bench for 16 pts(4x6fg, 3x4 3s) in 26'; M. Burridge 14 pts(6x8fg), 6 rebs; T. Franze 12 pts(5x9fg), 2 assts, 2 stls. Hit 22x45fg, 4x15 3s, 19x34ft. Gens 23x50fg, 12x17ft, 2x9 3s. S. McDonnell 24 pts(8x14fg); T. Kitson 10 pts, 7 rebs; S. Morton 10 pts, 5 rebs, 4 assts, 5 stls; G. Spears 0 pts, 4 rebs in 25'. Knights lose 5th in a row
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on February 08, 2007, 10:05:33 am
Brockport and Plattsburgh are clearly the two best teams in the league. There is an outside chance that a team like SUNYIT make another run like they did last year but I except both the Golden Eagles and the Cardinals to meet for the league championship. Both teams are well coached and both have postseason experience. The only postseason experience Grimmer has coaching is watching the SUNYAC awards ceremony in Utica.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 08, 2007, 11:30:31 am
Sure has that look heading to stretch. If things ended today Bport in hosting role throughout. Eagles, minus solid semester pickups, won at the Burgh by 2 on 12/1 in only meeting. ITers sure have potential. Really like LaBoard.

See Cortland in vital outing Friday at Buffs. They're tied for eighth, with sliding BS sked edge -- Corts, NP, Freds all at home and closing at Oswego. Corts tough road literally -- at BS, Pdam, Port and finishing home vs. Freds. Dragons soph Niehoff, frosh Lewis have made big headway. Missing 6-8 jr Sargent and capt. Headley of late

And what the heck is up with Geneseo? Returning personnel ......and has lost 5 straight!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 08, 2007, 03:26:12 pm
Direct quote from 'port website

The Golden Eagles are 17-4 overall and 16-4 in region games and are currently ranked 2nd in the East Region behind St. Lawrence University. The Golden Eagles beat St. Lawrence in early January 102-72 in Tuttle North Gymnasium at Brockport.

Still don't understand how SLU can be ranked ahead of 'port, particularly when 'port beat SLU by 30?

'port has won 8 in a row, 5 of last 6 recent wins of the "dumptruck" variety.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on February 08, 2007, 03:44:01 pm
The bear i am with you on that one im not really sure how st lawrence is ahead of bport. I saw that game that bport steam rolled st lawrence and it got pretty ugly for the visitors. I would be ok with someone like the u of r ahead of the port because they play such a tough schedule but not st lawrence. Brockport has been on a roll ever since whitmore put parish in the starting lineup. Brockport is only 1 game ahead of platts but they  hold the tiebreak over them, with only 4 games left it will be pretty tough for them to pass bport in the standings. Brockport finishes up with 3 of there 4 at home so i dont expect a melt down.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: b4the3isme on February 09, 2007, 09:38:17 am
My first inclination was to support SLU with their better record but upon closer inspection I too agree.  SLU doesn't have a signature win.  Couple of OK wins over Middlebury and over Vassar the second time around.  I just think that Bport has yet to be forgiven for that miserable stretch of 3 losses to Gen State, SJF and Oswego.  I too agree that Bport is better than SLU but the SUNYAC seems down to me this year as a whole with a lot of teams hovering around .500. The only 2 teams that seem to be making a push are the port and platt so the weakness of the league may be figuring in too.  I will say that I truly think that Rochester and NYU are the best teams in the state with Utica and bport and SLU and Hamilton after them.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 09, 2007, 04:26:46 pm
Friday's games send Pburgh to Geneseo, Pdam to Bport, Corts to Buff St, IT to Oneonta, and NP to Oswego if the Paltz sled makes it

Saturday has Oneonta trying to make it to snowbound Oswego, Pdam at Geneseo, NP at BS, and IT at Fredonia

SUNYAC stacks up ........Bport 10-2(17-4), Pburgh 9-3(14-6), Oneonta 8-4(10-11), Oswego 7-5(11-10), IT 7-5(13-8), Geneseo 6-6(12-9), Pdam 5-6(8-12), BS 4-8(9-11), CSt 4-8(8-13), NP 3-8(10-10), Freds 2-10(5-15)

Anyone have any guess re league's best player? A real chore this season, yes? A. Williams of Pburgh, C. Reaves or C. LaBoard of IT, T. Franze of Oswego, D. Brown, others??????? A. F. H. of NP a first teamer it would seem.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 09, 2007, 10:13:06 pm
Buffalo St. 72, Cortland 69. Bengals quit losing ways. Overcome 33-30 half deficit. Corts 4 up at 5:14. D. Mozelle gives BS lead for good at 2:04. B. Wood 5x6ft down stretch. BS 25x47fg, 8x15 3s, 14x19ft. DJ Nubine-Mitchell 23 pts(8x12fg, 4x7 3s); B. Wood 22 pts(6x10fg, 4x5 3s) 4 assts, 7 trnvrs; C. Guiden 8 assts. CSt 23x58fg, 5x21 3s, 18x24ft. M. Lewis 13 pts(3x6fg) 7 reb; J. Miolen 13 pts(5x12fg) 4 assts; C. Niehoff 12 pts(3x10fg); P. Oliver 12 pts(5x7fg); D. Jutton 5 pts(2x8fg). Holds 34-29reb edge

Brockport 92, Potsdam 75. Eagles 56 pt second half dispatches Bears, who lead 41-36 at break. Pot 36x72fg, 9x15ft, 11x27 3s. Sherod Harris 23 pts(8x16fg), 5x9 3s); Shawn Harris 21 pts(9x13fg), 2x4 3s); C. Parrish 17 pts(6x9fg) in 23'; D. Maldonado 12 pts(4x5 3s). 20 trnvrs. Pdam 24x61fg, 18x23ft, 9x17 3s. d. Brown 16 pts(5x15fg, 2x5 3s); B. Graney 15 pts(6x13fg); A. Williams 11 pts(3x5fg); T. Reinhardt 11 pts(3x7fg)

SUNYIT 79, Oneonta 74
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 09, 2007, 10:34:20 pm
Geneseo 80, Plattsburgh74. Knights end 5 game skid and Pburgh's 9 game unbeaten tear. Shoot 15x28fg 1st half for 39-30 lead. Cards comeback takes 8 pt lead midway thru 2nd half before S. McDonnell, S. Sciera, J. Howe right Gens. Pull ahead about 6' from finish. Go 27x51fg, 2x5 3s, 24x35ft paced by Sciera 21 pts(7x7fg, 7x11ft) 8 rebs, 4pf in 20'; McDonnell 18 pts(5x8fg, 2x2 3s) 5 assts; T. Kitson 10 pts(5x9fg) 6 rebs, 4 stls; G. Spears 10 pts(5x10fg). Burgh 26x58fg, 9x32 3s, 13x18ft. A. Williams 18 pts(6x17fg, 1x11 3s) 7 assts, 7 trnvrs, 4pf in 35'; K. Hunt 17 pts(6x8fg) 7 rebs, 3 stls; T. Gorham 9 pts, 8 rebs, 5pf in 26'. No Siskavich

Oswego 92, New Paltz 87
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on February 09, 2007, 10:48:23 pm
Many to be considered for leagues best player but for my $$ it is Sherod Harris. Brockport wins its 9th straight sunyac game tonight and pretty much have locked up home court advantage throughout. They have a 2 game lead with 3 to go and own tie breakers over just about everyone.  Sherod harris goes for 23 pts tonight and brother shawn has 21 pts 7 reb and 7 assts. Good work GOLDEN EAGLES!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 09, 2007, 10:55:43 pm
IT shoots down 43-38 Oneonta edge at intermission. C. LaBoard 31 pts(10x16fg, 2x5 3s, 9x10ft) 13 rebs, 2 assts, 3 stls; C. Reaves 15 pts(7x18fg, 0x6 3s) 3 assts, 5 stls; A. Edwards 11 pts(3x3fg, 1x1 3, 4x4ft) 4 assts in 25' reserve role; E. Belone 10 pts(3x12fg) 8 rebs. Cats 28x64fg, 8x27 3s, 15x20ft, 42 rebs. Oneonta makes 16 of first 29fg, winds up 30x61, 9x21 3s, 5x13ft. E. Bratt 19 pts(7x12fg, 5x7 3s); J. Murphy 11 pts(4x6fg); W. Heslin 10 pts(4x10fg); M. Reardon 5 assts, 5 stls

Sherod Harris certainly in most outstanding mix. We hesitate cause he came aboard 2nd semester, which may not mean much considering so few games played 1st semester. Believe he missed three conf. games

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 09, 2007, 11:12:20 pm
Oswego's E. Roberson `3' at 4:12 snaps 75-all tie. M. Burridge 19 pts, 15 rebs; Roberson 17 pts; K. Reuter 17 pts; D. White 11 pts; T. Franze 15 pts. Lakers 7x12 3s. NP's J. Hauser 28 pts, T. Cannon 16, A. Foluke-Henderson 16, M. Irwin 11, M. Hauser 10
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on February 10, 2007, 12:12:14 am
Great to get out from under 8' of snow and visit balmy Brockport for sun, fun, and basketball. As one close to Bears ball commented at the half - "We've played lots of good halves." Not many back to back both implied and prophetic.

 

Most Outstanding Player: Sherod Harris. Wildly entertaining, looks like AI (hey, I'm 60+ and sitting in row 30), worth Geneseo prices to see. Kudos to the Port - $2 admission for seniors.

MVP (if SUNYAC had one): Cards AW. They can't leave home without him.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on February 10, 2007, 01:18:17 am
jdex
       Just wanted to thank you for all the scores and info you've posted over the past few years. I don't know how you do it but you are the best.
        Also wanted to mention that Siskavich is a potsdam player and that was why you didn't have any info on him for the geneseo-plattsburgh game.
       Sounds like the cardinals had a little letdown against geneseo.




 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2007, 01:40:12 am
SLU doesn't have a signature win. 

"Signature wins" isn't really one of the criteria for regional rankings. :)

St. Lawrence entered the day with an .850 regional winning percentage and a 10.800 Quality of Wins Index. Brockport entered the day with an .800 and a 10.300. That's not overly close in the QOWI department and I can see where that might have overridden a head-to-head result.

Of course, tonight's games throw all that out the window.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 10, 2007, 10:02:17 am
To wit: Hamilton 76, St. Lawrence 68 and Bport comeback. Fifty six pt outburst in 2nd half keyed by 20-6 gait from the gate. Eagles 8x13 3 over closing 20' when Sherod H. netted 15 of his 23.

Grats, Magicman! B. Siskavich up and running for Pdam. That's what we get for too many rays here on Anna Maria Island   

And just to catch a couple of others: Bport 36x72fg, 11x27 3s, 9x15ft, 26 assts, 13 trnvrs to Pdam's 20 ............And Corts D. Maggiacomo 12 pts(4x11fg, 2x7 3s). Red Dragons' playoff hopes probably dead in the water despite fine road effort. Been that kind of season for TSpan troops. Growth coming a tad late, but growth: frosh 6-6ers M. Lewis, P. Oliver, small forward soph C. Niehoff, quick jr guard J. Miolen
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: RadioGuy on February 10, 2007, 01:59:22 pm
What gives?  Brockport State was up in the rankings until "meaningless" losses during the JP Morgan Chase tournament.  Now, they are on a 9 game streak, and are blowing out the competition.  When do you start to see this team back in the ranks.  They will win SUNYACs, be in the NCAA...and then what?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: superman57 on February 10, 2007, 02:22:14 pm
sorry no loss is meaningless....
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 10, 2007, 07:00:09 pm
Oswego 88, Oneonta 59. E. Roberson 26 pts

Geneseo 85, Potsdam 59. Knights by double figures midway into first half and that margin lasts. Was 43-29 at half. Gens 31x48fg, 6x13 3s, 17x23ft, 29 reb. S. Morton 17 pts(2x5 3s) 9 assts, 5 stls; S. Sciera 14 pts(6x6fg); J. Kling 13 pts(5x6fg); T. Kitson 12 pts(6x9fg) 7 rebs; S. McDonnell 11 pts(3x4 3s); J. Howe 10 pts(4x4fg). Pdam 22x50fg, 6x18 3s, 18 rebs. J. Hall 11 pts(5x6fg) 3 assts, 3 stls; T. Reinhardt 10 pts(5x9fg) 3 assts, 2 stls; B. Graney 10 pts(3x6fg)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 10, 2007, 07:30:36 pm
Buffalo St. 96, New Paltz 83. BS solidifies hold on final playoff berth after winning 1,000th in Bengal history previous night. Takes 48-39 halftime bulge over foul plagued NP. BS 37x69fg. D. Mozelle 21 pts(8x11fg) 7 reb in 18'; C. guiden 12 pts(6x9fg); A. Samedi 12 pts, 7 reb in 18'; DJ Nubine-Mitchell 11 pts(5x9fg); B. wood 11 pts(3x11fg) 6 assts, 3 stls, 7 trnvrs. NP 27x65fg, 23x32ft. A. Foluke-Henderson 20 pts(7x12fg) 12 reb, 5pf in 27'; J. Hauser 18 pts(6x13fg) 5pf in 23'; T. Cannon 20 pts(7x15fg) 5 assts, 3 stls; M. Hauser 10 pts;L. Bertram 5pf in 12'
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 10, 2007, 09:33:28 pm
Plattsburgh 60, Morrisville 57
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 10, 2007, 10:30:09 pm
Fredonia 78, SUNYIT 74 ot. Upset special! Devils hold slim lead most of the way from midway 1st half. Eleven ties, last at 69 in ot. T. Alassari `3' puts Freds up for keeps at 3:04. A. Smith big hoop at 1:20 withstands 1pt IT approach, and B. Cooper 2ft seals deal. Freds 36-32 at half. Reg 64-64. Alassari 19 pts (7x15fg, 5x9 3s) 6 rebs, 5 assts, 2 stls, 2 trnvrs in 43'; Cooper 16 pts(5x12fg, 2x5 3s) 3 assts; K. Reichlmayr 15 pts(5x14fg) 14 rebs; Smith 13 pts(4x8fg); K. Saunders 11 pts, 4 assts. Freds 27x63fg, 11x25 3s, 13x15ft, 45 rebs. IT 25x61fg, 8x23 3s, 16x21ft, 31 rebs. C. Reaves 19 pts(6x15fg, 1x5 3s) 8 rebs, 5 stls; A. Gilkes 17 pts(7x13fg) 10 rebs; E. Belone 15 pts(5x11fg, 3x6 3s) 4 stls; C. LaBoard 13 pts(4x12fg) 7 assts, 2 stls

Oswego out to 39-24 halftime burying of Oneonta. Lakers 27x52fg, 26x36ft. Roberson 26 pts(6x9fg, 4x6 3s) 3 assts, 3 stls; K. Reuter 10 pts(4x8fg); T.Downing 10 pts; M. Burridge 10 rebs, 8 pts; T. Franze 6 pts, 3 assts, 3 stls in 22'. Dragons 21x46fg, 32pf. R.Morin 14 pts(6x8fg) in 19'; W. Heslin 9 pts. Three lead reb with 4 each

Plattsburgh scores first 10 points, then trails 11-10 and Morrisville makes game of it. Cards 36-31 at half. Just 58-57 at 0:30. Missed 2nd ft by Mville is all preventing tie at that juncture. Pburgh 23x55fg, 6x25 3s, 8x8ft, 42 reb, 21 trnvrs. K. Hunt 14 pts(5x8fg) 9 rebs in 27'; M. Dietz 13 pts(4x9fg, 3x6 3s) in 21'; T.Gorham 10 pts(4x6fg) 14 rebs, 3 stls. Fourteen Cards in action. Mville (6-16) 20x58fg. S.Dodrick 25 pts(8x11fg, 4x5 3s) 6 assts, 3 stls in 37'
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 11, 2007, 12:33:19 am
And just when you think it's over ......along comes Yogi, er Fran. Cortland guru reminds us Red Dragons aren't going quietly in quest for playoff slot. Still hope. Instead of chasing Buff St. for eighth seed, Potsdam now gets CSt attention. Corts currently ninth at 4-9, Pdam eighth at 5-8. They clash Tuesday in north country where guests looking to sweep season series. Next weekend finales have Corts at Bport and home to Freds; Bears at NP and at Oneonta.



 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Razor on February 11, 2007, 11:53:28 am
On the topic of player of the year in the SUNYAC, it's very wide open to this point.  I think that Sherod Harris and Chris Reaves are probably the favorites but their are several deserving candidates.  Here would be my all conference teams through this point in the season:

1st team:

G-Sherod Harris (Bport)-16ppg, 4apg, 2.5st. (Best player on the best team)
G-Anthony Williams (Plattsburgh)-19.8ppg (the glue to his team)
G-Chris Reaves (SUNYIT)-18ppg, 5rpg, 5apg, 2.8spg (he does it all for his team)
F-Scott Morton (Geneseo)-13.8, 5rpg, 4.7apg, 2bpg, 2.5spg (he's ranked in top 12 in 8 categories)
F-Todd Franze (Oswego)-17.7ppg, 3apg, 2spg (He's had a breakout year)

2nd Team:
G-Chris Laboard (SUNYIT)-17ppg, 8rpg, 3apg, 2spg
F-Travis Gorham (Platt)-12.8ppg, 10.5 rpg
F-Brandon Williams (Bport)-13.7ppg, 7.9rpg
C-Matt Burridge (Oswego)-13ppg, 8.7rpg
F-Will Heslin (Oneonta)-13.5ppg, 6rpg

3rd team:
F-A. Foluke (New Paltz)-18.6ppg, 7.8rpg (probably belongs higher if not for teams record)
G-Dave Maggiacomo (Cortland)-16.2 ppg
F-Tarik Kitson (Geneseo)-12.8ppg, 6rpg
G-Erik Roberson (Oswego)-15ppg
F-Cantrel Parish (Bport)-12ppg, 5rpg
G-Kerry Wood (Buff.)-13.5ppg
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on February 12, 2007, 12:07:32 am
Hmmm I am apt to agree that no loss is meaningless...  Not too fond of a current Brockport broadcaster's statement there...

Anyway, the Eastern region is not too high on the pollster's radar, and maybe if the eagles make a run into the playoffs, then it's possible they'll make it into the poll...

It's nice to see that they are doing so well this year, wish I could see them play!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: RadioGuy on February 13, 2007, 12:34:42 am
It's unfortunate that the Eastern Region isn't very liked.  I think the SUNYAC system in itself has a strong level of competiveness.  I understand that "no loss is meaningless" but the tournament wasn't a huge deal, and it doesn't count on the SUNYAC record.
  As far as Brockport, they are doing very well this year.  This is a team that does well often.  Last year was an off year, but that was due to a shallow bench.  Anyway, hopefully I can click on the polls soon and see them on the list somewhere...AP has them 2nd in East..Probably will change come Wednesday when the new lists come out.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 13, 2007, 08:59:10 am
Every game counts .....with meaning. And for SUNYACs this season that's especially true since league, for the most part, is fairly mediocre. Bport has stepped up, then down, and currently is playing very well, and at a good time. C. Parrish becoming integral figure. Now .......Eagles going to SUNYIT tonight. Will real IT please stand up!

Also Tuesday matchups that, off recent play, could go either way. Corts at Pdam has playoff implications (as in in/out), Oswego at Pburgh, NP at Oneonta, Freds at BS

Razor, can't find much fault. A few others deserve mention
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: RadioGuy on February 13, 2007, 10:15:24 pm
Well, BPort is now 1st in East...clinched 1st in SUNYACs...and this should give them the bid to the NCAA's.  We'll see how long until they get the recognition they deserve, right?  I don't mean to deny or down anybody here, but this is coming from somebody who follows all Brockport athletics...a sports program that is always underestimated and seems to continuously get looked over.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Razor on February 13, 2007, 10:24:45 pm
 Dude, are you friggin seriuos??
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 13, 2007, 10:33:07 pm
Cortland sinks Potsdam 67-65 to move into 8th place tie with Pdam (CSt sweeps series with Bears). Frosh M. Lewis 23 pts(9x10fg, 5x13ft), 9 reb in 32'. Scores 18 pts. in 2nd half following 28-28 tie at break. D. Jutton 19 pts(5x12fg, 4x10 3s, 5x5ft), 3 assts in 36'. Scores 12 after intermission. C. Niehoff 9 pts(3x6fg), J. Miolen 6 rebs. Corts 21x46fg, 6x19 3s, 19x33ft. Bears lost 5th straight, 7 in last 8 starts. Go 24x50fg, 6x18 3s, 11x14ft. B. Siskavich of hosts 17 pts(7x10fg, 2x4 3s); S. Mitchell 14 pts(5x7fg, 4x6 3s), 5 assts, 5 trnvrs, 3 stls; D. Brown 11 pts(3x9fg); J. Hall 10 rebs

Oneonta 79, New Paltz 69. W. Heslin 19 pts(7x15fg), 11 rebs, 4 stls; B. Fisk 16 pts(5x11fg, 3x6 3s); R.Fitzgerald 11 pts(5x9fg); E.Bratt 11 pts(4x9fg), 3 assts, 2 stls. OSt 19x34fg 1st half enroute to 50-28 lead; finish 29x66fg. NP 23x49fg, 7x16 3s). J. Hauser 24 pts(6x12fg, 4x7 3s; T. Cannon 15 pts(6x9fg), 6 stls, 8 trnvrs, 9 rebs; A. Foluke-Henderson 13 pts(6x12fg, 1x7ft), 7 rebs, 5 stls; M. Irwin 12 pts(4x8fg)

Buffalo St. 74, Fredonia 59. J. Lawal 19 pts(8x9fg), 5 rebs; C. Hepburn 12 pts(4x8fg), 8 rebs; C. Guiden 12 pts(5x12fg). BS 39-30 at half. Bengals 27x54fg. Freds 22x60fg. T. Alassari  6x12fg, 2x6 3s, 3 assts, 2 stls; A. Smith 13 pts(5x6fg, 2x4 3s); B. Cooper 6 rebs; K. Reichlmayr 9 pts, 4pf in 22'

Brockport 114, SUNYIT 108. Wouldn't expect anything else!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 13, 2007, 10:49:32 pm
Plattsburgh 78, Oswego 77
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 14, 2007, 12:09:16 am
Brockport gallops to 58-40 halftime lead on 22x35fg, 5x9 3s. Widens gap till IT within 109-106 on C. Reaves & E. Belone 3s. FTs clinch. Eagles 10th in a row. Sherod Harris 24 pts, C. Parrish 21, Shawn Harris 16, M. Wilkes 11, B. Williams 10. IT's Belone 34 pts (6 3s), Reaves 29 in 40'; C. LaBoard 19, A. Gilkes 15
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on February 14, 2007, 02:05:56 am
Went to the Plattsburgh/Oswego game and certainly got my money's worth. Cards won 78-77 on 3 pt play by Travis Gorham with about a minute to go. Lakers missed on their next possession and fouled with 35 secs to go. Cards missed both foul shots and Lakers came down, went inside to Mat Burridge who was fouled with 6 secs to go. He missed both attempts and the Cards squeaked out the win to give them a 2 game lead on 2nd place. Gorham, Anthony Williams and Khylan Hunt all came up big for the Cardinals. Burridge, Kyle Reuter and Erik Roberson led the Lakers.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on February 14, 2007, 02:25:44 am
I know there's a big weekend left in the league but after tonight's games this looks like the first round of playoff action.

          #8 Cortland @ #1 Brockport
       
          #7 Buffalo @ #2 Plattsburgh

          #6 Sunyit @ #3 Oswego

          #5 Geneseo @ #4 Oneonta

The 3 4 5 & 6 spots are all subject to change but I think this is the way they'll end up.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 14, 2007, 09:09:52 am
Pburgh's A. Williams 24 pts; T. Gorham 24 pts, 14 rebs, 7 assts; K. Hunt 19  pts, 8 rebs, 2 blks; D. Lynch 10 rebs, 2 blks. Oswego's E. Roberson 20  pts, K. Reuter 15, M. Burridge 13, D. White 12, T. Franze 6 assts
Cards with 39-35 lead. Lakers tie quickly on White pts prior to Hunt hoop leading to Pburgh edge till OSt ties at 72
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on February 15, 2007, 08:35:32 pm
Well, BPort is now 1st in East...clinched 1st in SUNYACs...and this should give them the bid to the NCAA's.  We'll see how long until they get the recognition they deserve, right?  I don't mean to deny or down anybody here, but this is coming from somebody who follows all Brockport athletics...a sports program that is always underestimated and seems to continuously get looked over.

Always underestimated?....I would assume you are too young to remember when this site has had both Brockport basketball and Football in the top 10..

It's just the way it is....it really shouldn't matter to you or anyone at Brockport where their ranking is.  All that matters at this point is that they win the SUNYAC and get in the tournament. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on February 15, 2007, 10:13:03 pm
Well, BPort is now 1st in East...clinched 1st in SUNYACs...and this should give them the bid to the NCAA's.  We'll see how long until they get the recognition they deserve, right?  I don't mean to deny or down anybody here, but this is coming from somebody who follows all Brockport athletics...a sports program that is always underestimated and seems to continuously get looked over.

Always underestimated?....I would assume you are too young to remember when this site has had both Brockport basketball and Football in the top 10..

It's just the way it is....it really shouldn't matter to you or anyone at Brockport where their ranking is.  All that matters at this point is that they win the SUNYAC and get in the tournament. 

Yeah, but why wasn't the victory over SUNYIT the lead story on SportsCenter?  See... no respect.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on February 15, 2007, 10:23:49 pm
Brockport might have been in the top 10 in both the football and basketball but it was warranted. It wasn't like Brockport was playing cupcakes. They won the Chase and played a handful of teams. They did lose to U of R in the Elite 8 game. In the NCAA tourney it is all about matchups. U of R - Brockport is always a battle of contrasting styles. Brockport wants to get up and down while the Yellowjackets want to grind it out. I believe at the end of that season that Golden Eagles were ranked around 14 by d3hoops. That team might have been one of the most talented and deepest team the East Region has seen in a long time.

People need to remember that Brockport is 4-1 against NESCAC schools in the NCAA tourney. They have beaten both Trinity and Amherst twice and then lost to the Williams team that lost at the buzzer vs. Wisc. Stevens Point. I don't think that I'm going out on a limb here but there aren't too many teams that are 4-1 versus the NESCAC in postseason play.

One thing that I wouldn't mind seeing is a couple of teams from the East Region, preferably U of R, Brockport, and Fisher take on a group of schools from the Midwest, like UW-Stevens Point, Wooster, and Hope, on a neutral floor with neutral refs. It would an interesting thing to do, maybe d3hoops can help set it up because the state schools usually have a tough time their budgets. I'm not saying that East region would dominate and win all the games but it would definitely test all teams involved with some good games and maybe a different perspective of the East and/or Midwest region.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 16, 2007, 05:09:24 pm
Heading into the last roundup with a pair of big Friday dates since Corts and Pdam share last playoff berth: Corts in Bport in what could be first round tourney appointment, and Pdam at the Paltz. In other jockeying pairings: Pburghers at IT, Gens at Freds

On Saturday Corts could already know fate or what they have to do in night home go with Freds, since Pdam has afternoon session at Oneonta. And Gens are at Bport, Buffs at Oswego, Pburgh at NP

Current stackup: Bport 12-2(19-4), Pburgh 10-4(16-7), One 9-6(11-13), Osw 9-6(13-11), Gens 8-6(14-9), IT 8-7(14-10), BS 7-8(12-11), CSt 5-9(9-14), Pdam 5-9(8-15), NP 3-11(10-13), Freds 3-11(6-16)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 16, 2007, 09:40:40 pm
Brockport 83, Cortland 63. Port by 45-31 at intermission and always in control. Sherod Harris 20 pts(4x9fg, 4x6 3s), 15 by half. Plays team-high 27'. C. Parrish 12 pts(3x4fg) in 19'. Outboard Corts 33-25 and do a number off offense glass. Port 26x55fg,; 21x26ft, 10x24 3s, 19 assts. Corts 23x46fg, 9x18ft, 8x17 3s, 19 trnrvs. D. Maggiacomo 15 pts(5x11fg, 4x7 3s) in 26'; frosh P. Oliver 10 pts(3x3fg) in 27'
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 16, 2007, 10:51:26 pm
New Paltz 75, Potsdam 66. Both Pdam and Corts lose to remain tied for 8th spot. NP with edge most of the way, 37-32 at the break. Bears hold only lead of second half with 9:05 left. Shortlived, but game knotted at 4:07. NP back to fore and T. Cannon provides points for late lift. NP 26x59fg, 6x15 3s, 17x31ft. A. Foluke-Henderson 24 pts(10x15fg), 7 rebs; J. Hauser 21 pts(7x14fg, 2x3 3s), 8 rebs, 4 assts, 4 stls; M. Hauser 11 pts; T. Cannon 10 pts, 4 stls. Pdam 25x50fg. T. Reinhardt 19 pts(9x10fg) in 28'; D. Brown 14 pts(5x11fg); J. Hall 12 pts(5x9fg), 9 rebs, 3 stls, 10 trnvrs (Pdam 23); B. Graney 10 pts, 9 rebs

SUNYIT 89, Plattsburgh 84. Cards close to 1 on A. Williams trey in closing moments. C. LaBoard completes big night (29 pts, 13 reb) with 2ft at 0:17 for IT. Williams '3' misfires and E. Belone finishes 18 pt. night with 2ft in win. C. Reaves 13 pts, A.Gilkes 15 pts, 12 rebs. Williams 21 pts. for Burgh

Geneseo 66, Fredonia 44. Over early. Gens 29-13 at half as Freds 5x21fg. Knights 23x43fg overall, 9x14 3s, 11x14ft. S. McDonnell 15 pts(4x8fg, 3x6 3s), 3 assts, 4 rebs in 28'; S. Morton 13 pts(4x6fg, 4x5 3s), 5 rebs, 5 stls; J. Howe 10 pts(5x7fg) in 18'. Devils 16x54fg. T. Alassari 12 pts(5x15fg), 5 rebs; K. Reichlmayr 11 pts(4x9fg), 8 rebs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 16, 2007, 10:56:50 pm
So is Brockport's radio guy going to come on here and talk smack again, and complain about Brockport not getting any respect? That was pretty hilarious.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2007, 01:42:26 am
Which year are we talking?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 17, 2007, 10:35:28 am
With the screen name pg04, I am guessing he is talking about 2004 when Brockport was the only D-III to get their Football, BAsketball and Baseball teams into the NCAA tournament.

It was a nice accomplishment....  I am sure some other teams have done that in other years, but it is still a very nice accomplishment.

And as long as Brockport doesn't lose in the first (or second) round of the SUNYAC tournament... being ranked #1 in the east most likely gets them into the tournament already.  BUT it is better to win the tournament and not have to worry about who may beat someone else and having to wait for a bid.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on February 17, 2007, 04:14:35 pm
Which year are we talking?

If this was for me, I wasn't actually speaking of it happening in the same year, but relatively close to one another...and I think my memory deceived me about it being top 10 for both, however between the years I was there both teams had made it to the elite 8 of the tournament of their respectivesports....and I am relatively sure that at least the football team made it into top 10 at sometime, though now that I think of it, the basketball team probably wasn't.  2003-2004 wasn't specifically the year I referred to, but that's a good year to bring up. 

Regardless, my comment was made to defend the pollstars, as well as saying that it shouldn't matter at all to anyone in Brockport...and just to keep the roll going.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on February 17, 2007, 04:15:26 pm
So is Brockport's radio guy going to come on here and talk smack again, and complain about Brockport not getting any respect? That was pretty hilarious.

I didn't ever do that did I? lol  :D
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on February 17, 2007, 06:01:47 pm
Oops, didn't mean pg04. I meant RadioGuy, whom pg04 quoted in an earlier post.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 17, 2007, 07:02:42 pm
pg04 & John,

No problem with either of yoru posts, I was just commenting to support pg04's comments about brockport being high in the polls years ago.  It was very impressive to do it in the same year and to have baseball do it too!

And I do agree it was a bit comical seeing the complaints about where a team is in the polls.  Although as a fellow Brockport supporter it was nice to see the passion for the team!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 17, 2007, 07:10:33 pm
Potsdam 61, Oneonta 59. Bears do their part to make tourney, but need Cortland loss to visiting Fredonia to clinch. Corts win and advance via tiebreaking criteria (sweep of Pdam)

Plattsburgh 71, New Paltz 66. NP by 12 early and 37-35 at half. Squared at 66 at 2:22 when Pburgh ft's grab lead. A. Miller ft's clinch. Cards 24x53fg, 4x19 3s, 19x23ft. A. Williams 30 pts(9x21fg on heels of 7x25fg in Fri. slip to IT) 1x6 3s, 11x11ft, 7reb, 5 assts; Miller 12 pts(5x8fg) 7 rebs, 4 stls; T. Gorham (2 pts, 6 rebs in 16') and K. Hunt (7 pts, 5 rebs in 29') both with 4pf. NP windup has A. Foluke-Henderson 18 pts(8x15fg), 3stls; J. Hauser 15 pts(5x12fg, 2x4 3s), 4 stls; T. Cannon 10 pts(5x10fg),5 rebs, 5 assts, 4 stls; M. Irwin 7 rebs, 7 assts.
On Friday at IT, Pburgh's Miller added 18 pts to Williams 21 (1x9 3s), J. Dumont 15 on 5x10 3s, T. Gorham 12 pts, 13 rebs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on February 17, 2007, 07:31:14 pm
pg04 & John,

No problem with either of yoru posts, I was just commenting to support pg04's comments about brockport being high in the polls years ago.  It was very impressive to do it in the same year and to have baseball do it too!

And I do agree it was a bit comical seeing the complaints about where a team is in the polls.  Although as a fellow Brockport supporter it was nice to see the passion for the team!

Agreed, and that baseball run may have been the most impressive run of all 3 sports for the port. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 17, 2007, 07:42:47 pm
Potsdam's J. Hall layup at 0:16 stops Oneonta. Pdam by 32-27 at half. Tied at 55 . with 2:21 left and at 59 at 0:24 when OSt's W. Heslin delivers ft pair. Pdam ends loss string on 20x48fg, 4x14 3s, 17x18ft. D. Brown 18 pts(6x15fg, 1x4 3s ...has 15 pt. 1st half on 6x10fg); B. Siskavich 12 pts(4x9fg, 2x5 3s), 9 rebs; B. Graney 11 pts; Hall 10 pts(4x6fg) 4pf in 32'; T. Reinhardt 0x0fg, 2x2ft, 5pf in 17'. OSt 21x60fg, 2x18 3s, 15x19ft. W.Heslin 16 pts(5x13fg); M. Reardon 8 rebs. Pdam sweeps home and home
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 17, 2007, 08:01:11 pm
And I was referring to John's post, thinking that there was at least one other year a Brockport broadcaster came on and ran smack. I know that their student workers have been represented on the boards. :)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on February 17, 2007, 08:25:49 pm
And I was referring to John's post, thinking that there was at least one other year a Brockport broadcaster came on and ran smack. I know that their student workers have been represented on the boards. :)

I would know nothing of the sorts!  ;) .... anyway some that have come on here have been informative, some secretive and talking smack, others not so secretive and talking smack.

In the end I think it just comes own to a strong desire to see the team do well.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 17, 2007, 08:58:24 pm
Talk about smackdowns! Fredonia 37, Cortland 35 at the half. C. Niehoff 13 pts, J. Miolen 10 for CSt. T. Alassari, K. Reichlmayr 11 each for Freds
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 17, 2007, 10:15:50 pm
Cortland 80, Fredonia 73. Spunky second half for Red Dragons, who earn return trip to Brockport on Tuesday. Land 14x28 3s and 23x47fg to offset strong Fredonia spoiler effort. D. Maggiacomo 18 pts(4x12fg, 4 3s); J. Miolen 16 pts (4 3s); C. Niehoff 15 pts; D. Jutton 14 pts (4x7 3s); M. Lewis 10 rebs. CSt 20x26ft. Freds 29x51fg, 7x19 3s, 8x11ft. K. Reichlmayr 17 pts, 8 rebs; T. Alassari 17 pts, A. Smith 14 pts, K. Gordon 11 pts, B. Cooper 14 pts

Brockport 79, Geneseo 63. Bport 38-33 intermission. Go 25x50fg, 9x19 3s, 20x27ft. D. Maldonado 15 pts(5x7fg, 3x5 3s) in 15'; Sherod Harris 14 pts(3x9fg), 5 assts; A. Poles 13 pts(4x7fg); C. Parrish 12 pts(5x8fg); B. Williams 11 rebs, 4 stls. Eagles bench outpts Gen spares 49-11. Knights 23x55fg, 14x20ft, 3x15 3s. S. Morton 22 pts(7x10fg, 1x3 3s); G. Spears 20 pts(9x14fg), 8 rebs; T. Kitson 4 assts, 0 pts; S. McDonnell 4 pts

Oswego 77, Buffalo St. 69. Lakers 42-33 at half. Lead nearly entire way but by slim counts. BS draws to 1 twice in closing moments. T. Downing answers both for Oswego, second time at 1:15 making it 72-69. Go 31x61fg, 6x15 3s, 9x19ft. M. Burridge 22 pts(11x16fg), 10 rebs; E. Roberson 18 pts(6x12fg, 2x4 3s) in 26'; Downing 12 pts(4x6fg, 2x2 3s) 9 assts, 1 trnvr; K. Reuter 10 pts; D.White 9 rebs, 9 pts; T. Franze 8 assts, 3 pts(1x7fg) in 37'. BS 31x76fg, 0x6 3s, 7x17ft, 53 rebs. D.Griggs 17 pts(8x16fg), 13 rebs, 3 assts in 23'; D.Mozelle 14 pts(6x12fg), 11 rebs; J. Lawal 10 pts(5x12fg), 6 rebs; 4pf in 16'; C.Guiden 5 assts. BS opens tourney at Pburgh. Oswego finishes third in conf.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 17, 2007, 10:35:57 pm
And looks like Genseo at Oswego, IT vs. Oneonta
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on February 18, 2007, 12:35:53 am

Congratulations to the Brockport Brigade. No one poses a serious SUNYAC tourney threat if you're disciplined enough to take care of business. Suprise me and win a couple in the NCAA's.

T. Curley my coach of the year. Cards flew under everyone's radar, all the way to second.

Lakers hang together for 3rd without a point. Ah, what might have been.

And as a long-time Bears fan...

Top 3 Reasons for Leaving New York and the Planet in February:

3. Digging out from under 12 feet of snow
2. President George W. Decider and and  Governor Elliot Steamroller
1. Total collapse of Bears basketball


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on February 18, 2007, 11:22:10 am
I don't think Curle (not Curley) will win Coach of the Year. I believe that Whitmore from Brockport will get it. You look at that team and it is basically a team new from last year. He has won twelve straight and looks to be steamrolling for a NCAA bid. Curle has done a good job but we must remember that they won SUNYACs last year and it doesn't seem to be a suprise on how well they've done (at least to me).

Disappointing year for the Potsdam Bears. Losing a lot of leadership hurt quite a bit. Still a very talented bunch. If somehow, they put some egos aside they could challenge for a top spot next year.

Does anyone know if Pieroli (sp?) from Oswego is going to come back for a final year next year? If he comes back and is a similar player to how he was before, they can also challenge for the conference title.

Matchups should be interesting here in the tourney. Brockport clearly has the advantage if they can take care of business against that other phys ed school. I wonder what the atmosphere will be like with the tourney back on campus. It has to be better than the Aud. The only time the Aud was lively was when the Charleston Chiefs with the Hanson brothers made their appearance in the movie Slapshot. The sad thing about that was the Aud hadn't changed from the time the movie took place until last year.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 18, 2007, 02:40:11 pm
Interesting to go back to page 33 area of this site and regurgitate early season outlooks. Slickyquick had some nice calls. Even made mention of Bport propensity to add second semester assistance. Did it ever! But don't believe anyone saw the power-to-be at the finish line. Whitmore lock in my mind. Plattsburgh always on my radar, and A. Williams lived up to solid billing.

 SUNYIT and Geneseo came in under (my) expectations. Geneseo can be excused because of injuries. Scarey IT (home tuesday to Oneonta) in line for semi game at Bport. Potsdam biggest. NP close second. Kudos to Oswego for getting it done minus all-star Perioli. Slew of close ones, and who knows how many tight setbacks he would have turned the other way. Others probably in their element -- Oneonta, BS, Corts (though any sort of consistent finishes would've made for winning season), Freds

As for Perioli. He certain has eligibility. Also is an all-conference baseballer. In that vein, Max, Oswego has already lost last season's top performer (jr of Anthony Coromato, .460 avg, 44bi, 7hr, .835slugpct) to Cortland. As if Corts need more help there. Bundle of stars back to team that's won 9 of last 10 SUNYACs and 14 of last 16!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 19, 2007, 07:32:18 am
jdex,

Yes, they did pick up Coromato... and have most of their pitching back.  There has been a lot of discussion on the baseball SUNYAC borad about the upcoming season.  It seems to be a concenous that Cortland & Brockport will compete for 1 & 2... with Plattsuburgh, Oneonta and perhaps New Paltz & Fredonia fighting for the last 2 spots.  Pburgh & Ostate are the two in question... as they both lost their top pitchers.

It will be interesting season and also to go back after the season and see what the predictionw were on here just like in the basketball pages.

I think Brockport has picked up a lot to fill the losses from last year... and have upgraded so it will be an interesting season, even with Coromato going from Oswego to Cortland...  by the way, that loss will be very tough for Oswego to over come.

4 mor edays to SUNYAC baseball hits the field.   And one until the basketball tournemant starts!  Great time of year... (if it gets warm that is... )  :D
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on February 19, 2007, 02:34:13 pm
Anyone with an attention span longer than a lightening bolt watching Potsdam this season recognize that their problems extend far beyond "egos". If it were "Egos",  then we could hope that off-season psychotherapy might help them "challenge for a top spot next year". Sadly, not the case.

Among their more pressing issues, Potsdam was 1) unable to defend anyone with even modest post talent, and 2) when they did sag to provide inside help they lacked the team speed to defend the kickout to the wings. Egos aside, they got consistently beat both inside and outside.

As for next year...the Bears look forward to replacing point guard Scot Mitchell with...? and it's a complete mystery where on-floor team leadership, sorely lacking this year,  will come from next.

While not at all sure which specific egos were referenced, more effective recruiting is required before Bears are again competitive.

Re: COY

Yes, it is a so what, who cares selection. But I'm not so busy....

Whitmore selection is easy way and appropriately meaningless, regardless of  the "Gee, its ever so hard to coach a team with talent" argument. Brockport was relatively loaded in a weak SUNYAC. Oswego and Geneseo wiped out with injuries. No one knows how Oneonta did as well in the league as they did. SUNYIT again had a part-time coach. Etc...

Whitmore did the job with two starting fives and a cast of thousands. Curley molded a winner with much less. From the standpoint of any oustanding teaching and motivational performance, Spahbauer deserves more recognition that either. Dragons had amble opportunity to kiss off the season, light up a Lucky, and wait until next year. They didn't. They played hard every game, and certainly, not to my surprise, clawed their way into the tournament in the last week of the season, bumping the Bears to...the school psycologists couch?

But enough is enough and evidence suggests interest is waning in a season with little drama, less excitement, and no one ready to make a mark in the NCAAs. Still, Geneseo @ Oswego Tuesday...





Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on February 19, 2007, 08:29:55 pm
Well zola, it is obvious you are getting what I said. Potsdam had a problem this year and the problem had to do with playing a lot of minutes as freshmen and then not feeling that it is necessary to work hard as sophomores. They have one of the most talented individuals in the SUNYAC yet they couldn't bring it together. In part because they wanted to get theirs and in part because they didn't have leadership. Toughness and basketball IQ are things that you need to get by at any level and if you watched the SUNYIT game on tv then you understand that they lacked toughness especially in the post.

So do the Bears need some help on the recruiting trail, yes they do. But with the talent they have returning they need to put their egos aside and share the basketball a little more, beat the crap out of each other during the spring to instill some toughness, and get some bigs who aren't afraid to get after it on the defensive end.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bimbo coles on February 20, 2007, 02:19:06 pm
going into the tournament i don't think anyone can match up with brockport the past month or 2.. Losing to 3 SUNYAC teams Potsdam who the don't have to worry about, Geneseo and Oswego (in which one will eliminate the other tonight..) I think it is safe to say these are the only 2 teams port has to worry about..

should be a battle in oswego tonight..
at home i have to give the edge to oswego, they are tough to beat on their own floor. and have made something out of their season when they could of easily thrown in the towel early on with the loss of pg.. on that topic they should have their leader back next year with a year left standing.. good news for lakers.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on February 20, 2007, 05:30:10 pm
SQ - my final, thank God, 2006-7 Bears commentary. Many posts ago, mentioned that Bears had no "take names" leadership particularly on the defensive end. Not from their seniors and certainly not from their underclassmen.

I apparently have missed  prior comments re: their soft post play and lack of quickness to get to perimeter people.

As regards talent: Brown is a scorer who doesn't defend. Graney is much improved but will continue to have size problems with 4's and quickness problems with 3s. Neither Reihnardt, if he comes back to complete elibibility, nor Siskavich is a power player in the post.  I can't identify a 5th solid starter among remaining. 6th and 7th man? Still in highschool.

Absolutely, they need to ..."share the basketball a little (more than a little) more, beat the crap out of each other during the spring..." and certainly hope that season ending swan dive into the abyss serves as serious slap up side the head of any inflated egos...regardless, this group won't get it done without tranfusion of talent and committment.

Anyway, off to Oswego...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 20, 2007, 09:46:17 pm
Brockport 74, Cortland 56. Rough first half by both. Neither shoots well. CSt by 20-18 with about 5' left. A. Poles `3' give Eagles edge for keeps. Go on to 31-24 halftime lead. Roar into second half and immediately forge big margin, by 21 at one stage. Corts, who missed first 12 treys before getting one with 12+ minutes left, back within 10 and ball at 5' mark. Turnovers starts CSt unraveling. Port 29x52fg, 5x12 3s, 11x17ft, 34-25reb, 14 trnvrs to Corts 11, 18-6 2nd chance pts.C. Parrish 22 pts(10x15fg), 5 rebs; Shawn Harris 13 pts(5x8fg); B. Williams 15 pts(6x10fg), 10 rebs, 3 assts; Sherod harris 5 pts(2x2fg), 3 assts.  Dragons 21x54fg, 9x11ft, 5x21 3s. D. Jutton 17 pts(7x15fg, 3x9 3s); P. Oliver 11 pts(5x6fg) in 13'; D. Maggiacomo 8 pts(2x8fg); C. Niehoff 6 pts(2x10fg), 6 rebs; M. Lewis 7 rebs. CSt bench 19-12 pt. margin
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 20, 2007, 10:08:29 pm
SUNYIT 90, Oneonta 73. OSt 11-4 early before IT takes 20-17 edge and ahead 34-32 at break. Oneonta seizes brief upper hand but Cats go on rampage. At one point up by 23. C. LaBoard 25 pts, 9 rebs, 6 assts, 6 stls; C. Reaves 25 pts. OSt's E. Bratt 23 pts

Plattsburgh 82, Buffalo St. 72
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on February 20, 2007, 10:26:43 pm
Plattsburgh 82  Buffalo State 72
Plattsburgh started slowly and finally caught Bengals 22-21 with about 5 min. to go in half.  Cards up 34-28 at the break. Cards stayed 8-9 points ahead and back to back 3's by A. Williams and A. Miller stretched the lead to 15 with about 8 mins. to go in the game. Plattsburgh got a little sloppy and let the Bengals claw their way back in as they closed it to 67-65 with about 3:30 to play. A technical foul was called on a Buff. State player for trash talking after he hit a 3 and Plattsburgh was able to open up a 7 point lead. Foul shots made the final margin of 10.
   Cardinals led by Anthony Miller with 25 pts(16 of them on free throws all in the 2nd half) Khylan Hunt had 17 Travis Gorham had 16 and Anthony Miller had 10. Mike Dietz had a fine all around game with 9 pts, some key rebounds and took several chargesat opportune times. Buffalo State was led by Carlton Guiden with 13 pts, Dante Griggs with 12 and Jay Wingate with 10.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 20, 2007, 10:47:47 pm
Oswego wins as well over Oneonta...all 4 home teams hold serve (same in the women's games.)  Brockport vs. SUNYIT, P'burgh vs. Oswego.

IT is probably the only one of the 3 with a legit chance at beating Brockport with the Wildcats' high octane offense.  'Port only beat 'em by 6 in a wild one about 2 weeks ago or so.  Doubtful Plattsburgh would get an at-large bid at 19-9 with a loss in the finals.  Brockport is a solid NCAA lock at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 20, 2007, 11:33:05 pm
Actually, Oswego stops Geneseo 61-51. Lakers by 32-30 thru 20'. Hit 22x51fg, 6x17 3s, 11x21ft. M. Burridge 18 pts(8x14fg), 5 reb; T. Downing 16 pts(5x10fg), 3 assts, 4 stls; K. Reuter 11 pts(4x8fg); T. Franze 7 pts, 4 assts; D. White 8 rebs; E.Roberson 8 rebs. Gens 22x56fg, 2x13 3s, 5x13ft. S. Sciera 12 pts(6x10fg), 6 rebs; S. Morton 9 pts(3x14fg, 0x7 3s), 7 rebs; B.Bennett 8 pts; J. Howe 8 pts; T. Kitson  8 rebs

Plattsburgh 33x46ft .........leads 34-28 at half. Cards 15x28fg 1st half, 23x50fg overall. Williams 4x15fg, 1x6 3s, 14x19ft, 4 assts; Hunt 5x10fg, 7x7ft, 9 rebs; Gorham 4x7fg, 6x10ft, 13 rebs; Miller 4x7fg, 5x6ft, 3 stls. Pburgh 42-28reb gap. Buffs 29x69fg and lose C. Guiden (13 pts, 22'), D. Griggs (12 pts), D. Mozelle (14') via 5pf. J. Wingate 10  pts

Port hosts final four. Friday vs. IT; Pburgh vs. Oswego. Saturday final
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 20, 2007, 11:56:14 pm
Jdex is right of course, it was Geneseo not Oneonta.  The Oswego women beat Oneonta; must have looked at the wrong headline on their website.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: rjcarter8 on February 21, 2007, 12:55:07 pm
Just thought I’d take a look to see how the Northeast and East region QOWI’s stack up aganist each other. It may have been overkill, but I grabbed the top 20 teams in each region, then compiled the combined list to the top 40 overall. It’s clear to see the Northeast Region has teams with much higher QOWI than the East Region.

Northeast Region  (Region rank, QOWI, Overall rank, Team, Conference, Region win pct., Region record, Overall record)
1.   11.625 (1) Amherst (NESCAC)   0.958 (23-1)   24-1
2.    10.950 (3) Trinity (Conn.) (NESCAC)   0.850 (17-3)   21-3
3.    10.810 (4) Worcester Polytech (NEWMAC)   0.905 (19-2)   21-2
4.    10.708 (5) Salem State (MASCAC)   0.920 (23-2)   23-2
5.    10.520 (8) Rhode Island College (LEC)   0.880 (22-3)   22-3
6.    10.217 (20) Keene State (LEC)   0.826 (19-4)   22-4
7.    10.125 (25) Brandeis (UAA)   0.750 (18-6)   18-6
8.    9.792 (42) Bates (NESCAC)   0.708 (17-7)   18-7
9.    9.708 (49) Husson (NAC)   0.875 (21-3)   21-5
10.    9.360 (61) Tufts (NESCAC)   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
11.    9.346 (63) Western New England (GNAC)   0.731 (19-7)   19-7
12.    9.292 (67) Babson (NEWMAC)   0.625 (15-9)   16-9
13.    9.250 (69) Bridgewater State (MASCAC)   0.708 (17-7)   17-7
14.    9.190 (72) Colby (NESCAC)   0.667 (14-7)   15-10
15.    8.870 (95) Gordon (CCC)   0.696 (16-7)   19-7
16.    8.800 (97) Elms (NAC)   0.680 (17-8)   18-8
17.    8.800 (98) Lasell (NAC)   0.600 (15-10)   16-10
18.    8.720 (103) Endicott (CCC)   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
19.   8.696 (108) Williams (NESCAC)   0.565 (13-10)   14-11
20.   8.600 (114) Middlebury (NESCAC)   0.600 (15-10)   15-10

East Region (Region rank, QOWI, Overall rank, Team, Conference, Region win pct., Region record, Overall record)
1.    10.400 (10) Brockport State (SUNYAC)   0.840 (21-4)   22-4
2.    10.292 (15) St. Lawrence (LL)   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
3.    10.217 (19) Rochester (UAA)   0.739 (17-6)   17-7
4.    10.208 (21) St. John Fisher (E8)   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
5.     9.870 (38) New York University (UAA)   0.783 (18-5)   19-5
6.     9.762 (46) Hamilton (LL)   0.714 (15-6)   18-6
7.     9.348 (62) Utica (E8)   0.739 (17-6)   18-6
8.     9.190 (71) Plattsburgh State (SUNYAC)   0.714 (15-6)   18-8
9.     8.727 (101) Vassar (LL)   0.636 (14-8)   15-9
10.   8.696 (107) Oswego State (SUNYAC)   0.609 (14-9)   15-11
11.   8.680 (111) Clarkson (LL)   0.560 (14-11)   14-11
12.   8.667 (113) Geneseo State (SUNYAC)   0.583 (14-10)   15-11
13.    8.522 (117) Rochester Tech (E8)   0.565 (13-10)   14-11
14.    8.429 (125) Ithaca (E8)  0.571 (12-9)   14-11
15.    8.391 (127) SUNYIT (SUNYAC)   0.609 (14-9)   16-10
16.    7.917 (160) RPI (LL)   0.500 (12-12)   13-12
17.    7.857 (169) Union (LL)   0.524 (11-10)   11-13
18.    7.773 (174) Alfred (E8)  0.455 (10-12)   10-14
19. 7.727 (178) Buffalo State (SUNYAC)   0.455 (10-12)   12-13
20. 7.708 (181) Hobart (LL)   0.417 (10-14)   11-14

Here are the combined regional rankings based on QOWI. In the event of a tie, and there are a few, I ranked the teams in order of their overall rank.

Combined Regions (Northeast and East)
1. (NE1)   11.625 (1) Amherst (NESCAC)   0.958 (23-1)   24-1
2. (NE2)   10.950 (3) Trinity (Conn.) (NESCAC)   0.850 (17-3)   21-3
3. (NE3)   10.810 (4) Worcester Polytech (NEWMAC)   0.905 (19-2)   21-2
4. (NE4)   10.708 (5) Salem State (MASCAC)   0.920 (23-2)   23-2
5. (NE5)   10.520 (8) Rhode Island College (LEC)   0.880 (22-3)   22-3
6. (E1)   10.400 (10) Brockport State (SUNYAC)   0.840 (21-4)   22-4
7. (E2)   10.292 (15) St. Lawrence (LL)   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
8. (E3)   10.217 (19) Rochester (UAA)   0.739 (17-6)   17-7
tie (NE6)   10.217 (20) Keene State (LEC)   0.826 (19-4)   22-4
10. (E4)    10.208 (21) St. John Fisher (E8)   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
11. (NE7)    10.125 (25) Brandeis (UAA)   0.750 (18-6)   18-6
12. (E5)     9.870 (38) New York University (UAA)   0.783 (18-5)   19-5
13. (NE8)    9.792 (42) Bates (NESCAC)   0.708 (17-7)   18-7
14. (E6)     9.762 (46) Hamilton (LL)   0.714 (15-6)   18-6
15. (NE9)    9.708 (49) Husson (NAC)   0.875 (21-3)   21-5
16. (NE10)    9.360 (61) Tufts (NESCAC)   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
17. (E7)      9.348 (62) Utica (E8)   0.739 (17-6)   18-6
18. (NE11)   9.346 (63) Western New England (GNAC)   0.731 (19-7)   19-7
19. (NE12)    9.292 (67) Babson (NEWMAC)   0.625 (15-9)   16-9
20. (NE13)    9.250 (69) Bridgewater State (MASCAC)   0.708 (17-7)   17-7
21. (E8)        9.190 (71) Plattsburgh State (SUNYAC)   0.714 (15-6)   18-8
tie (NE14)    9.190 (72) Colby (NESCAC)   0.667 (14-7)   15-10
23. (NE15)    8.870 (95) Gordon (CCC)   0.696 (16-7)   19-7
24. (NE16)    8.800 (97) Elms (NAC)   0.680 (17-8)   18-8
tie (NE17)    8.800 (98) Lasell (NAC)   0.600 (15-10)   16-10
26. (E9)        8.727 (101) Vassar (LL)   0.636 (14-8)   15-9
27. (NE18)    8.720 (103) Endicott (CCC)   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
28. (E10)      8.696 (107) Oswego State (SUNYAC)   0.609 (14-9)   15-11
tie (NE19)      8.696 (108) Williams (NESCAC)   0.565 (13-10)   14-11
30. (E11)      8.680 (111) Clarkson (LL)   0.560 (14-11)   14-11
31. (E12)       8.667 (113) Geneseo State (SUNYAC)   0.583 (14-10)   15-11
32. (NE20)   8.600 (114) Middlebury (NESCAC)   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
33. (E13)       8.522 (117) Rochester Tech (E8)   0.565 (13-10)   14-11
34. (E14)       8.429 (125) Ithaca (E8)  0.571 (12-9)   14-11
35. (E15)       8.391 (127) SUNYIT (SUNYAC)   0.609 (14-9)   16-10
36. (E16)       7.917 (160) RPI (LL)   0.500 (12-12)   13-12
37. (E17)       7.857 (169) Union (LL)   0.524 (11-10)   11-13
38. (E18)       7.773 (174) Alfred (E8)  0.455 (10-12)   10-14
39. (E19)      7.727 (178) Buffalo State (SUNYAC)   0.455 (10-12)   12-13
40. (E20)      7.708 (181) Hobart (LL)   0.417 (10-14)   11-14

I know some of these teams will get their conference bids, but there are plenty for Pool C too.

Anyone have any thoughts about Pool C bids after seeing this?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2007, 02:51:36 am
Well, first thought is it doesn't make much sense to take 20 teams from the 69-team Northeast and 20 from the 35-team East. To represent the two proportionally you need to take half as many from the East.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: rjcarter8 on February 22, 2007, 07:42:41 am
Sorry, I was under the impression the Northeast and East teams would be vying for the same bids, so I just sorted the teams by QOWI.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: b4the3isme on February 22, 2007, 03:08:24 pm
Well I thinks its pretty evident that the only way the SUNYAC is a 2 conference bid league is if a team other than Brockport wins.  That being said I think the conference might have a legit shot to get 3 or 4 teams into the ECAC. Platt and SUNYIT are locks I would think. Oswego & Geneseo may have shots also.  The liberty league will probably be ticked though as its 7th place team (Clarkson) beat Oswego and they'll be lucky to get 2 teams in. RPI & Union swept the series from Clarkson but records of 13-12 and 11-13 aren't too gaudy even though both teams might be better than Oswego & Geneseo?! Hamilton will be a lock if it doesn't win the LL tourny and get into the NCAA.  SLU looks like it has a shot at being a pool C team but would be a lock if it does not go to the NCAA's.  Vassar the 3rd place LL places in the Metro Tourney.  E8 teams Utica, RIT and Ithaca have to be considered, but again RIT has losses to Clarkson and SLU and Utica has a loss to Clarkson.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: rjcarter8 on February 22, 2007, 03:39:04 pm
Well I thinks its pretty evident that the only way the SUNYAC is a 2 conference bid league is if a team other than Brockport wins.  That being said I think the conference might have a legit shot to get 3 or 4 teams into the ECAC. Platt and SUNYIT are locks I would think. Oswego & Geneseo may have shots also.  The liberty league will probably be ticked though as its 7th place team (Clarkson) beat Oswego and they'll be lucky to get 2 teams in. RPI & Union swept the series from Clarkson but records of 13-12 and 11-13 aren't too gaudy even though both teams might be better than Oswego & Geneseo?! Hamilton will be a lock if it doesn't win the LL tourny and get into the NCAA.  SLU looks like it has a shot at being a pool C team but would be a lock if it does not go to the NCAA's.  Vassar the 3rd place LL places in the Metro Tourney.  E8 teams Utica, RIT and Ithaca have to be considered, but again RIT has losses to Clarkson and SLU and Utica has a loss to Clarkson.

Actually, Hamilton doesn't play in the ECACs, something to do with their NESCAC ties.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on February 23, 2007, 09:09:12 am
SLU the last couple of years has had a record good enough to play ECAC's but they've passed as it coincides with their spring break.

If they don't make NCAA's as a Pool C, I'd wonder if they would do ECAC's either.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: b4the3isme on February 23, 2007, 05:46:39 pm
Wow- idk that Hamilton turns down ECAC bids, but I guess it makes sense because I think U of R does for the same reason.  If SLU doesn't get a pool C bid or win the Tourney outright and they decline a ECAC bid, the SUNYAC should put 3 or 4 teams in the ECAC for sure.  Heck RPI, Union and may be even Clarkson could be considered although a sub .500 record by Union doesn't look to good and Clarkson's league record of 5-9 is pretty bad also.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 23, 2007, 08:15:01 pm
Plattsburgh moves into final with 89-73 dispatching of Oswego in opener of tourney semis at Bport. Cards with upper hand till OSt takes 62-61 lead at 10:37. Burgh in 9-0 run as part of 19-4 separation and command at 2:41. T. Gorham 30 pts, A. Williams 23, K. Hunt 21. Lakers E. Roberson 25, T. Downing 13, M. Burridge 10
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 23, 2007, 10:08:44 pm
Brockport moves into finals berth by outgunnng SUNYIT 104-89. Bench scoring: Eagles 47, IT 2. Bport starts fast, holds 51-51 lead at half. Makes 34x55fg, 23x34ft, 13x23 3s. Has 45-25 reb margin. A. Poles 24 pts(7x9fg, 6x8 3s; B. Williams 18 pts(7x12fg); Sherod Harris 16 pts(4x8fg, 2x6 3s), 9 assts; M. Wilkes 16 pts(5x9fg, 3x6 3s), 4 assts, 7 rebs; D. Maldonado 11 pts(4x5fg, 2x3 3s) in 14'. IT's C. Reaves 24 pts(11x20fg, 2x8 3s), 3 assts; C. LaBoard 24 pts(7x16fg), 4 stls, 6 assts in 40'; A. Gilkes 17 pts(8x13fg), 6 rebs; E. Belone 16 pts(5x14fg, 2x8 3s). Cats 34x73fg, 14x19ft, 7x27 3s. IT 9 trnvrs, Port 22
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 23, 2007, 11:12:19 pm
Wow- idk that Hamilton turns down ECAC bids, but I guess it makes sense because I think U of R does for the same reason.  If SLU doesn't get a pool C bid or win the Tourney outright and they decline a ECAC bid, the SUNYAC should put 3 or 4 teams in the ECAC for sure.  Heck RPI, Union and may be even Clarkson could be considered although a sub .500 record by Union doesn't look to good and Clarkson's league record of 5-9 is pretty bad also.

It's my understanding that a team must be .500 overall or better to be considered for ECACs, which throws out Union and Hobart.  Here's my guess at the field right now, also assuming that both Hamilton and St. Lawrence decline invites:

Plattsburgh, Oswego, SUNYIT and Geneseo from the SUNYAC; Utica, Ithaca and RIT from the E8; Vassar from the LL.  If P'burgh and/or Utica wind up in the NCAA Tournament the next group of candidates would be RPI, Clarkson and Hilbert of the AMCC...I actually just assume that Hilbert is an ECAC member b/c they're in the East region.  They might not be.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 24, 2007, 08:35:13 am
Plattsburgh - Brockport, should be a good game... last one was 74-72 on 12/1 in PLattsburgh.   I think Brockport wins again... but by a larger margin, as they are a team that has grown as the season went on.

Anyone be at the game? We may drive into attend...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 24, 2007, 09:22:15 am
Bob,
Great choice of words, as in grown. Five games into the season and along come 6-7 Cantrel Parrish and 16ppg Sherod Harris. We're just crunching a few numbers here. Heck, a few numbers? This Bport outfit plays in waves. And give 'em credit, they appear to an outsider to get along and mesh well.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 24, 2007, 04:40:21 pm
Plattsburgh through 20' with 32-24 lead. As much as 11 pt. difference. Pburgh and Bports each with 13 trnvrs. Burgh 14x32fg, Port 10x33. Cards with 2 3s, Port 1. A. Williams 10 pts for PB, B. Williams 10 for BP. Sherod Harris limited to 8' with 2pf
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on February 24, 2007, 05:46:50 pm
Plattsburgh wins SUNYAC Championship, and will gain the pool A bid... 80-75 Plattsburgh... Bubble buster anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 24, 2007, 07:23:23 pm
Ahhhh ,  just what NCAA desires!

Plattsburgh trails this for a short spell in second half, then flexes muscle.
A. Williams 28 pts(11x26fg), 5 assts, 9 rebs; T. Gorham 12 pts(5x11fg); M. Dietz 12 pts(4x7fg, 3x6 3s); K. Hunt 11 pts(5x9fg), 10 rebs; A. Miller 6 stls. Burghs 34x55fg, 23x34ft, 13x23 3s, 45-25 reb gap, 9 trnvrs to Port's 22. Cards bench 22, Eagles' 4 after Bport 47-2 bench margin vs. IT. Port 34x73fg, 14x19ft, 7x27 3s. Sherod Harris goes second half route, finishes 31 pts(10x16fg, 7x9 3s). B. Williams 19 pts(9x16fg), 17 rebs
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 26, 2007, 08:25:31 am
Disappointment... really thought Brockport was on a roll.  Guess Plattsburgh felt otherwise.

Congratulations to Plattsburgh on a well played game.

Hopefully Brockport will still get an at large bid and SUNYAC will have two teams in the tournament.

When do they come out?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2007, 08:29:52 am
Last night, Bob.  You have been spending too much time building a group of baseball fans!   ;) :) :D

Brockport did get a Pool C bid.  See front page.  Pairings in the brackets come out about 9 am EST.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on February 26, 2007, 09:10:00 am
Brockport will be playing Williams.  St. Lawrence will be hosting the first and second rounds.  I am slightly surprised given the thrashing Brockport gave them earlier in the year, but St. Lawrence did win their conference and that would probably be the difference...Unless there is some other hosting issue?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on February 26, 2007, 09:46:04 am
Brockport will be playing Williams.  St. Lawrence will be hosting the first and second rounds.  I am slightly surprised given the thrashing Brockport gave them earlier in the year, but St. Lawrence did win their conference and that would probably be the difference...Unless there is some other hosting issue?

No hosting issue.  It appears the loss in the SUNYAC final cost at least two home games.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on February 26, 2007, 10:13:19 am
That loss for bport was very costly, lost home court advantage through the second round and have been matched with Williams in the first round, ouch.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on February 26, 2007, 10:37:56 am
Thanks Ralph...  thought it was eitehr last night, or today as they have to get the travle plans in order... 

Yes, I've gained at least one good baseball fan, haven't I?   :o

Yes, that loss cost them home court... but that is why we play the games.  To see what will happen.  Will be fun to watch unfold.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on February 26, 2007, 12:54:35 pm
Very interesting subplots with the games at SLU. Brockport plays Williams which beat the Golden Eagles in the Sweet 16 the last time either team was in the NCAA tourney. I would expect a really high scoring game. Dave Paulsen, visits his old stomping ground in Larryland and could end up playing his old assistant, Chris Downs. And Brockport could potentially play a home and home with the Saints.

I am pretty sure that Whitmore is not happy about heading up to the North Country. Not a wonderful trip especially this time of year.

Plattsburgh gets a tough draw with Rochester, but that should be a battle. It will definitely be an interesting game to watch. It might your prototypical NCAA tourney game in the 50s. Whoever wins that game, I believe, will get to the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on February 27, 2007, 09:05:14 am
First Team: A. Williams(Plat), C. Reaves(IT), Sherod Harris(Bkp), B. Williams(Bkp), C. LaBoard(IT)

Second: S. Morton(Gen), T. Gorham(Plat), M. Burridge(Osw), A. Foluke-Henderson(NP), T. Franze(Osw)

HM: W. Heslin(One), D. Maggiacomo(Cort), T. Reinhardt(Pot), E. Roberson(Osw), J. Hauser(NP)

Top player: A. Williams
Top rook: C. Parrish(Bkp)
Coach: Curle(Plat)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on February 27, 2007, 09:44:23 am
Predictions for this wkend:
1st Round:

Fisher +11

UofR +7

St. Lawrence +4

Bport +2

Wooster  +7

Centre + 4

John Carrol +6

2nd round:

Fisher vsUofR  - Fisher +1

Bport Vs St. Lawrence - Bport +2

Wooster vs Centre - Wooster+5

lake Erie vs John Carrol - Lake Eirre +4
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on February 28, 2007, 11:55:06 pm
Oswego beat RIT and SUNYIT dropped Clarkson in the ECACs tonight....Lakers vs. Wildcats in one semi at Vassar on Friday; the other is Vassar (beat Hilbert) vs. Ithaca (beat RPI).
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on March 01, 2007, 12:32:26 am
Oswego 74, RIT 63. Lakers hold 38-26 lead at half; narrows to 45-44 prior to 16-6 runout. Sixth man K. Reuter 21 pts(6x15fg, 3x8 3s); M. Burridge 16 pts(7x10fg), 8 rebs; T. Downing 14 pts(4x13fg), 6 assts. OSt 24x63fg, 19x31ft to RIT 13x28. Victims 51-38 reb separation. Go 24x63fg. T. Bacon 25 pts(11x16fg), 14 rebs; S. Young 17 pts; C. Roy 6 assts

SUNYIT 96, Clarkson 84
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on March 01, 2007, 03:36:54 pm
Way to go SUNYAC's, hopefully sunyacs can keep flexing there muscles tomorrow night!!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on March 01, 2007, 08:45:24 pm
Would love nothing better than to see a Brockport-Plattsburgh rematch in the sweet 16.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 02, 2007, 12:52:14 am
Hello SUNYAC peoples, we're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by Friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. A fun little tourney resource of sorts. Would someone here be willing to do one for Brockport State and Plattsburgh State? Thanks much!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on March 02, 2007, 07:44:44 pm
Say what you want about my beloved SUNYAC, but tonite, Brockport recorded a neutral court win (74-66) over the NESCAC Champion Williams, and Plattsburgh came from 15 down in the seond half to squeak out a 61-60 win in Rochester over UAA power University of Rochester.

Be interested in Pat C's reaction to a "weak" conference posting not one but two wins over "power" conferences.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 02, 2007, 07:45:25 pm
Brockport wins 74-66 and Plattsburgh hits a shot at the buzzer to beat U OF R 61-60. Good night for the SUNYAC!! 

So much for your UR/WIlliams matchup in the sweet 16 eh Pat  ;).  I'm just kidding...I had to stick the jab in... Don't worry I've gotten plenty of my picks wrong as well lol. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on March 02, 2007, 07:55:37 pm
Profile

Brockport

24-5, 14-2 conference

Depth, Depth, Depth.  Their second five could start for most D-III teams.  They routinely have four or 5 in doubles, and at least 8 players on the roster are capable of doubles an any given night

Starters

Sherod Harris - 5-9, JUCO from Monroe CC.  If he was 6-1, he'd be playing high D-I.  Can dominate a game on defense, offense, and especially in transition

Mychal Wilkes - 5-11 So.  Deadly shooter, draws tough defensive assignment, hard nose, in your face.

Brandon Williams - 6-2 220 - the SUNYAC's version of Charles Barkley.  Can shoot from the outside, and uses his strength and athleticism to dominate in the paint.  Runs very well for his size.

Cantrel Parish - 6-7 Freshman - long and athletic.  Wonder how s mid-major missed this guy.  he can shoot, run, and especially rebound.

Aaron Poles - 5-10 Jr. G, unselfish, role player, does what it takes to win.

This team can beat you any way you want.  If it's a track meet, they can run with anyone.  In halfcourt, they have great athletes who are all strong, quick, and competitive.

Very deep bench.  As I said their second five could start at a lot of D-III Schools.

They beat SLU by 30 earlier this season.  Only an upset in the SUNYAC tournament kept them from hosting the Rochester area pod in the NCAA's.

Hopefully SLU will pay attention to business tonite vs. Elms instead of looking ahead to Brockport.  

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 02, 2007, 08:50:15 pm
Thanks thebear! :)

Incidentally, I am famous for not liking Rochester (I just thought one Rochester team was overrated and it got out of hand and exaggerated, but at this point it's way too funny to let go... :D ). Soo.... Go Brockport! ;D ;)

Must have been one heck of a game...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: magicman on March 02, 2007, 09:03:13 pm
Anthony Williams hits a 40' shot at the buzzer to give the Plattsburgh State Cardinals a 61-60 win over Univ. of Rochester. The Cards came back from a 15 pt. deficit with 10 min. to go. Down 53-38 they go on a 9-0 run to get within 6 at 53-47. UofR scores twice to go back up by 10 with 5min to play. But the Cards come  back again to get within 2 setting the stage for Williams heroics. UofR missed a couple of key FT's that could have made it a 2 possession game with less than 30 secs. remaining.  Williams showed why he was the SUNYAC POY with 28 pts. 3 3's and a perfect 7 for 7 from the line. Travis Gorham added 14 pts and 13 reboundsfor the Cards.
 UofR was led by Jon Onyiriuka with 15 pts, Uche Ndubizu with 11 and Rob Dominiak also had 11.

St John Fisher leads Wentworth 51-34 at the half. Looks like it might be the Cardinals playing the Cardinals tomorrow nite to get to the sweet 16. Too bad Plattsburgh has to play on their court.  
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: supernvstr on March 03, 2007, 12:25:12 pm
For all those Plattsburgh fans out there...

Plattsburgh vs. St. John Fisher can be heard LIVE tonight at 7pm...
Go to http://athletics.sjfc.edu/  then click on LISTEN LIVE
from there navigate to CLICK HERE TO CONTINUE and you should be all set.


If that does not work...
www.teamline.cc
type in St. John Fisher
then navigate to Men's Basketball

Thanks, and hope you can tune in!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on March 03, 2007, 01:30:10 pm
Superb win for the Eagles. Solid D, patient half court game, and transition when available. And Williams was no slouch. Game in on a 5 game streak including huge win over Amherst. Like every Paulsen coached team they defended for the full 35, great ball movement on offense - intensity on both ends of the court. Drained big 3s for a modest lead at the half. Difference was eagles depth and unselfish play. Brandon Williams was amazing in the post, consistently knocking down little jump hooks with either hand. Maldonado contributed a first half 5 point run to end a Willaims rally. Sherod Harris did what he does..."What are you doing?...Oh, great play." Parish again solid, particularly for a frosh. Ian Mack turned in solid minutes at the point and Jermaine Johnson blew people away with his ups.

Kudos to Whitmore. Nice adjustments at the half provide better perimiter defense. Also kudos to the merry band of  weak-whistled refs who shall remain nameless to protect the inept. Never before have I seen a ref refuse to use a visible 5 second closely guarded count. After much prompting from the bench and fans, whistles became audible and the 5 count was reinstated. Well, there are lots of rules and, for some, its clearly hard to remember them all.

St. Lawrence/Elms a snooze. Larries are not particularly quick, Elms even less so, and crash in the 1st round again.

Luck to Eagles and Cards tonight. They'll need it playing in 2 venues famous for homers.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 03, 2007, 08:07:06 pm
Either the Announcers are whining incessently for no reason, or the refs are trying to perform a miracle for the saints.   According to the announcers the home crowd isn't too sportsmanlike either...

42-35 Eagles about 13 mins left in 2nd half. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 03, 2007, 08:14:03 pm
Brockport pulling away a little bit, 52-38 with about 9 mins left. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 03, 2007, 08:19:21 pm
The wheels have fallen off really... 61-41 Brockport under 8 minutes left. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 03, 2007, 08:32:11 pm
Final:

Brockport   74
St. Lawrence 49

Brockport faces Fisher/ Cardinal winner
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: blindwatchmaker on March 03, 2007, 10:39:46 pm
So who do you think will host between SJF, Brockport, JCU and Wooster?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bjgiants6 on March 03, 2007, 10:42:53 pm
My guess, Wooster.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 04, 2007, 12:14:52 am
Wooster would also be my guess.  It should really be that way anyway but the way they set up the bracket I'm not too sure...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on March 04, 2007, 03:32:42 am
Fisher should host, #1 seed in the east. #1 seed in great lakes lost.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 04, 2007, 12:44:22 pm
Yes, but Lake Erie only got the bye because they couldn't host two rounds of basketball... Wooster is the #2 team in the nation, by all rights they should host in my Opinion. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on March 04, 2007, 01:32:42 pm
The games should be in Wooster. They have been ranked high all year long and there is no reason why they wouldn't host. They have a nice facility and a quality fanbase. I couldn't imagine the disappointment opposing teams would have if they walked into Fisher's gym.  I guess they just announced Fisher will host the game, which is better off for Brockport considering its 20 minutes down the road.

Congrats to the Golden Eagles, I think it might be a Whitmore rule, "If you make the NCAAs, you have to go the Sweet 16." Everyone of his teams that have made the tourney have gotten to the round of 16. I really hope they pound Fisher. Should be interesting with neutral court referees on that game. Will they call a lot of fouls because of Brockport's physical nature?

Regardless, good luck Golden Eagles, make a statement.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ksc218 on March 04, 2007, 01:39:07 pm
games are at fisher according http://athletics.sjfc.edu/index.asp?path=mbball (http://athletics.sjfc.edu/index.asp?path=mbball)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on March 04, 2007, 01:39:23 pm
D3hoops.com Top 25 has no bearing on who will host sectionals or who the NCAA has seeded higher.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 04, 2007, 01:42:18 pm
John,

We know this---, but we are stating that there is such a desparity in the poll between Wooster and the other 3 teams (Ie none of the other 3 teams are IN the poll) that it almost seems like Wooster HAS to be the best team (Even Massey has them 2)...unless all the D3hoops voters are unreliable. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on March 04, 2007, 01:46:54 pm
Another thing could be that Wooster just has so much respect from the people that vote for D3hoops because of their program that they are continually voted high. The people that vote usually don't regard the East Region very high so it is actually funny that the NCAA ruled Fisher as the host.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 04, 2007, 01:49:20 pm
Seeding wise, I guess it makes sense. 

Lake Erie was "The Number 1 seed" of the region, getting the bye.  Even had they won their game their Gym isn't big enough to host and hence I think Fisher was destined to host from the beginning.

As Fisher Dynasty said on another page... This automatically means Fisher is on the way to the final 4...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on March 04, 2007, 01:55:01 pm
As Fisher Dynasty said on another page... This automatically means Fisher is on the way to the final 4...

Not so fast my friend....a team called Wooster may have something to say about that point.  :) :D
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 04, 2007, 01:56:31 pm
To the hosting team does not always go the spoils, as I have seen first hand, and many teams have seen in recent history. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on March 04, 2007, 02:36:27 pm
Good Luck to the Brockport Team.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on March 04, 2007, 05:33:49 pm
The bottom line is fisher and bport both had very good seasons and i believe they are both 24-5? I cant complain that fisher got to host due to there record but there gym is another story. It might be a great place to play but to watch a game there is horrible. First off there is no parking, it is also a very small gym with a bad layout. You can sit in the stands and cant even see the sideline in front of you. Brockport has already gone into there house and come away with a W this year, and that was without parish and harris. Fisher got there revenge in the chase with a w over bport. Like the fisher coach said they have to play a game just like sat game to beat bport, i believe they shot about 65% from the field. Brockport has a huge advantage over fisher in the backcourt and overall has a more talented team. The game bport won at fisher bport lead almost the entire game and much of that was by double digits. The game fisher won was back and fourth and bport played pretty bad and still had a good chance to win.    Bport 79 fisher 70
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on March 04, 2007, 05:48:38 pm
Having seen both teams (SJF and BPORT) play against Plattsbugh within a two week period.

I agree with the SJF coach, SJF has to shoot over 50% to beat BPort unless BPort plays
terrible.   Bridgeport is quicker and in my opinion more athletic.   Sherrod Harris will score
at least 30 points.  SJF couldn't handle Anthony #11 on PBurgh and he didn't shoot 3 pts that
well on Saturday.  Harris single-handedly almost brought BPort back in the SUNYAC Championship
game.    I hope both teams play at full strength and get better officiating (more consistant and understandable calls)
than what was seen on Saturday's Round 2 game.    Bad for both teams and when the whistle was blown
it usually had everyone pausing to figure out what the call would be.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 04, 2007, 05:52:35 pm
If Brockport beats SJF, would the BPort people fill the gym Saturday, or would Fisher's absence make it easier to get tickets for Saturday?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on March 04, 2007, 06:08:47 pm
Going by my experience this week.   IF you are a support of the teams other than SJF and Fisher you better get there early on both days.   Unless they (NCAA and Fisher) follow through on reserving a group of tickets for ALL the schools, there is no-way that little gym holds enough to handle Brockport and Fisher fans who show up for the early game AND has room for the other schools. 

I hear all these stories about how SJF fills the gym during the season, and this is NCAA playoffs.  One would assume they could fill it now.   And Brockport had a very good crowd at there on-campus gym for the SUNYAC final game.
If half of that crowd shows up and only half of the SJF regulars show up, the SJF gym is full.   

The Rochester War Memorial may be free this coming weekend.  The High School State qualifier games have been moved out of there due to the big fight last night.    Nahhh, that would never happen, that would be too good of a solution.  A what, 10,000 seat arena with parking and concessions mid-way (almost  ;D) between two of the participating schools.   Near hotels.   
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 12:40:49 pm
Another thing could be that Wooster just has so much respect from the people that vote for D3hoops because of their program that they are continually voted high. The people that vote usually don't regard the East Region very high so it is actually funny that the NCAA ruled Fisher as the host.

The NCAA seedings never correlate with our rankings. The rankings are more accurate, though. :)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 05, 2007, 12:52:36 pm

I hear all these stories about how SJF fills the gym during the season, and this is NCAA playoffs.  One would assume they could fill it now.   
That seems to be all they are is 'stories'.  Judging from their attendance figures, Fisher is averaging less than 600 per game.  You'd think, seeing as 'this is the NCAA playoffs' you'd see better turnout???  Nope!  Listed attendance over both NCAA home games for Fisher over the weekend:  650 for both games?!  That's barely 50% capacity!  Compare that to Wooster's attendance over the weekend:  3,038 Friday night and 3,207 Saturday night and they averaged over 2,000 per game throughout the regular season. 

The bottom line is that the NCAA really dropped the ball on this one!  Rewarding a team to host a sectional that can't even sell out a puny little 1200 seat gym in the NCAA tournament?!  Now, we as fans of the other schools involved in this sectional are rewarded with the possibility of not even having the opportunity to watch a game live because the games are being played in such a puny little gym and there might not be enough tickets to go around?! ???  Fisher needs to do the smart thing and clear the gym between sessions on Friday night!  They wanted the host, now they need to take responsibility and do the right thing even if it involves a little more work on their part!!!


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on March 05, 2007, 12:57:41 pm
ScotsFan i wouldnt worry about the gym being sold out, im sure there will be hundreds not getting into either game on friday and saturday.  The majority of the reason why the reg seasons dont get sold out is because the other e8 schools dont bring any fans in.  Last weekend fishers students were on break and neither team fisher played brought anyone and the gym was still full.  If you are smart you will get there early for the games this wkend and when you do play fisher get there over an hour early.  As Wooster, JCU and bport will all bring fans, its going to be a shame to watch all the people get rejected at the door.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on March 05, 2007, 01:01:22 pm
There were more people at the U of R / Plattsburgh game than the other two.   Half the crowd left after the first game (U of R fans, students, pep band ...).       Clear the gym between games.    :D ::) :D   I don't see that occurring.
Especially if the weather is cold/snowy etc.   There is no place to herd the crowd out easily.    If other places are charging separately for both Friday games then wow, what a deal people got at SJF last Friday.  1 point buzzer beater game and a blow out by the home/host team.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 01:05:28 pm

I hear all these stories about how SJF fills the gym during the season, and this is NCAA playoffs.  One would assume they could fill it now.   
That seems to be all they are is 'stories'.  Judging from their attendance figures, Fisher is averaging less than 600 per game.  You'd think, seeing as 'this is the NCAA playoffs' you'd see better turnout???  Nope!  Listed attendance over both NCAA home games for Fisher over the weekend:  650 for both games?!  That's barely 50% capacity!  Compare that to Wooster's attendance over the weekend:  3,038 Friday night and 3,207 Saturday night and they averaged over 2,000 per game throughout the regular season. 

The bottom line is that the NCAA really dropped the ball on this one!  Rewarding a team to host a sectional that can't even sell out a puny little 1200 seat gym in the NCAA tournament?!  Now, we as fans of the other schools involved in this sectional are rewarded with the possibility of not even having the opportunity to watch a game live because the games are being played in such a puny little gym and there might not be enough tickets to go around?! ???  Fisher needs to do the smart thing and clear the gym between sessions on Friday night!  They wanted the host, now they need to take responsibility and do the right thing even if it involves a little more work on their part!!!

Fanbase is not one of the criteria. Never has been -- ask the Hope and Calvin fans who went to higher seeded Aurora last week.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on March 05, 2007, 01:11:11 pm
"...Last weekend fishers students were on break and neither team fisher played brought anyone and the gym was still full..."  

That gym was NOT full either day.    Plattsburgh had close to 70 people on Friday, less on Saturday.   There were more assistant coaches on Fisher than fans from Wentworth. ;D   The U of R pep band took up double the space (15-20 members using two or three seats to setup and hold coats).    Down on the court level on Saturday most of the seats on the lobby side were not filled to capacity.  The first row across that entire side is always empty from what I understand.     IF all the seats that are in the arena are not used the host shouldn't be counting them toward the arena capacity figures.    No way under the configuation I saw does that little place hold over 1000.

If Brockport can bring the student section they had at the SUNYAC championship game, THEN the place might come close to being full.  
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on March 05, 2007, 01:14:34 pm
The place is going to be sold out guaranteed, probably for both games seeing that Wooster brings fans, and i can guarantee Bport will bring more people then Pburg and wentworth. Also, more fisher students will be back from break. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on March 05, 2007, 01:19:01 pm
My only thinking in regards to Fisher hosting is that the NCAA doesn't look into seating capacity as much as it use to. In years past that was the case. In all my years involved in some capacity in D3, that is my only thinking. Could be in part because of the enormous tv contract the NCAA has with CBS, they don't worry about the revenue brought from D3 contests. Not that it was much to begin with anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 05, 2007, 01:20:33 pm
Fanbase is one of the criteria, although it is a low priority and may never actually come into play:

Quote from: Men's Championship Handbook, page 7, emphasis added
Site Selection
The Championships Committee has prioritized the following site-selection criteria for all championships:
1. Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations;
2. Geographical location (which may include such factors as rotation of sites, weather, accessibility and transportation costs);
3. Seeding; and
4. Attendance history and revenue potential, which shall be considered necessary to assure fiscal responsibility.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on March 05, 2007, 02:02:13 pm
""..i can guarantee Bport will bring more people then Pburg and wentworth.  "

You have a great grasp of the obvious  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 05, 2007, 03:11:10 pm
Hey guys, I just thought I'd pop in to let you know about a little project we did. A group of around 40 posters banded together and created a Unofficial Guide to the 2006-2007 NCAA Tourney, that contains a team-by-team breakdown of the teams in the tournament. This is especially cool given the fact that the official NCAA guide gives you very little insight into the teams, and nearly all of the previews in the Unofficial Guide were made by fans of the team.

The website is: http://wheatonhoops.googlepages.com/ncaatourney and on that website you can find browsable information, as well as a 19 page printable PDF document. This was updated as of this morning.

While I doubt that we'll ever get any posters to submit information for the 11 teams that did not submit previews, it does include previews from 48 of the 59 teams in the tournament, and all of the teams in the Sweet Sixteen. I hope you check it out and enjoy the content!

If there are any corrections or content additions you would like to me, please submit them to me by PM. Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on March 05, 2007, 04:08:13 pm
The St. John Fisher College Cardinals will host the NCAA Division III Championship Sectional semifinals and finals this Friday, March 9 and Saturday, March 10.  On Friday night the College of Wooster Fighting Scots (27-3) will take on the John Carroll Blue Streaks (21-9) at 6 p.m. and the Cardinals (24-5) will face off against the SUNY Brockport Golden Eagles (24-5) at 8 p.m.  The winner of each game will play Saturday night at 7 p.m..
 
Tickets are general admission at the following prices:
$7 for adults
$4 for senior citizens/students with ID/children
Children under 2 are free
 
Presale tickets will be available Tuesday, March 6 from 12 p.m. – 3 p.m. and Wednesday, March 7 from 12 p.m. – 3 p.m. in the Athletic Department main office in the Student Life Center.  Presale tickets are for Friday night only, and separate tickets must be purchased for the 6 p.m. and 8 p.m. games. Tickets for Saturday's games will go on sale Saturday night at 6 p.m.   Coach McCabe who handles facility concerns  585-385-8312  or  585-385-5223
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on March 05, 2007, 04:09:59 pm
It doesn't say if you can CALL to reserve pre-sale tickets.  I would assume because they gave specific times and said "at the athletic offices" that would mean you need to do that in-person.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 05, 2007, 07:10:23 pm
Fanbase is one of the criteria, although it is a low priority and may never actually come into play:

Quote from: Men's Championship Handbook, page 7, emphasis added
Site Selection
The Championships Committee has prioritized the following site-selection criteria for all championships:
1. Quality and availability of the facility and other necessary accommodations;
2. Geographical location (which may include such factors as rotation of sites, weather, accessibility and transportation costs);
3. Seeding; and
4. Attendance history and revenue potential, which shall be considered necessary to assure fiscal responsibility.
If you can name an instance in which this has come into play recently, let me know. :)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 05, 2007, 07:22:51 pm
What can I say; I'm a lawyer, I think like a lawyer. :D
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on March 06, 2007, 03:25:38 pm
Here are some interesting career moves that I can trace

Tim Welsh    Potsdam
       assistant under his Dad Jerry Welsh
       assistant and later Head at Iona  Div I
       Head coach at Providence  Div I

Mike Deane  Potsdam  1974     All American  many time SUNYAC 1st team
       assistant at Potsdam  1974
       assistant at Plattsburgh  1975-76  when they went to the final 4
       Head at Delhi Tech
       Head at Oswego State
       Head at Siena   Div I        1st NCAA bid for this school
       Head at Marquette  Div I  NCAA and NIT appearances
       Head at Lamar    Div I
       Head at Wagner   Div I

Dan Theiss   Plattsburgh  1981
       played for Norm Law at PSUC and Mike Deane at Delhi Tech
       assistant at Plattsburgh
       assistant at Univ of Vermont
       assistant at Siena  with M. Deane
       assistant at Marquette with  K. O'Neal and Mike Deane (appears in movie Hoop Dreams ;D)
       assistant at Lamar with M.Deane
       assistant at Rhode Island

Steve Holmes   Plattsburgh  1983
       assistant at ???
       Head at Geneseo   ( 2 SUNYAC Championships)
       Head at Salisbury State

Tom Clune    Plattsburgh  1982
       played on same team as Steve Holmes and Jeff Law
       assistant at Geneseo under Tom Pope
       Head at Post (CT)
       Head at Utica
       Head at Plattsburgh St   ( 2 SUNYAC championships) 

Jeff Law  Plattsburgh 1985     
       played for his dad, Norm Law  on same team with Clune and Holmes ( I think)
       assistant at Hawaii   under
       Head at Hawaii Hilo  Div II

Norm Law - Brockport 1960   Hall of Fame there
       Head at Plattsburgh   ( 2 SUNYAC championships, 1 NCAA final four; 3 ECAC visits)
       Assistant with Paul Evans at Pittsburgh  DIV I  big east  1986-1995 ?

Tom Pope   Brockport 1960  Hall of Fame there 
       assistant at ?
       Head at Geneseo State   ( 2 time coach of year)
       
Sherry Dobbs   Plattsburgh 1995  under Larry Cowan (Ithaca ) and assistant Jim Mullin (Ithaca)
       assistant at Ithaca under Jim Mullins
       Head at Potsdam State (2 SUNYAC Championships)     

Mauro Panaggio - Brockport 1952  Hall of Fame
       Head at Brockport     (4 SUNYAC Championships)    2 NCAA regional appearances    1 final 4
       Head coach Rochester Zeniths    I think they won that Pro league championship

Danny Panaggio  Brockport 1977 Hall of Fame
       assistant at Oklahoma  Div I
       head coach Quad Cities  in CBA   

Tom Spanbauer   Cortland 1983
       played against Tom Clune and Steve Holmes and Dan Theiss and Jeff Law
       assistant at Albany State
       Head at Alfred
       Head at Cortland   ( 4 time Coach of the year in SUNYAC) 
                                   1st appearance in NCAA for school; 1st finals in ECAC for school

Dan Muchnick   Geneseo 2005
       assistant at Cortland (now)

Bill Williams     Cortland  1969   all SUNYAC player
       current assistant at Cortland
       former HEAD at Cortland    1 SUNYAC Coach of the Year
       
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on March 06, 2007, 04:00:03 pm
Some Adds to your list:

Tim Welsh was an assistant at IONA and Fla. State to Pat Kennedy

Tim Welsh was an assistant at Syracuse to Jim Boeheim

Mike Deane was an assistant to Jud Heathcoate at Michigan State.  Izzo replaced Mike when he left for Siena.

Steve Holmes was an assistant at Potsdam for the '85-87 60 game streak.

Sherry Dobbs has stops at Potsdam (women's asst) and SLU (under Dave Paulsen)

Greg Snyder, Potsdam is now an assistant at Hamilton

Derrick Rowland, Potsdam is the top assistant to Michael Ray Richardson of the Albany Patroons of the CBA, and head coach of the Patroons in the USBL (they field teams in both leagues) and played under three coaching legends, Phil Jackson, Bill Musselman, and George Karl.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on March 06, 2007, 04:09:29 pm
I think you mean Curle, not Clune at Plattsburgh.

Rob Clune played at Albany during that era, and his brother Paul was the coach at Oneonta before Medici.

P.S.  One of the answers to why Plattsburgh took so long between NCAA wins is that they were 2-37 vs. Jerry Welsh coached teams from 1969-1991.  One of their two wins came in '75-76 when the Cards went to the Final Four.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on March 06, 2007, 05:14:58 pm
thanks thebear.    I just made a typo.
 I called Tom Curle , Clune the other day and got a crazy look from him.
He actually knew who I meant.

I was at that game and tormented Jerry all night long.   
Actually I tormented him for 5 years.    ;D
They always beat us ( in many different ways ) but we always gave them a fight.
The only way he could stop Larry Parker was to have him in foul trouble.   :(  seemed to always happen
at your place   hmmm....
My senior year he asked if I wanted to come work for him. 
I just asked for his autograph  and smiled.   
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: GPT on March 06, 2007, 05:48:31 pm
Rob Kornaker went to Alfred
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on March 06, 2007, 08:31:50 pm
Well, neither Alfred is a SUNYAC conference school. 
However,   The SJF  coach was assistant at Geneseo St at one time
AND  has two ex-Cortland players as assistants this year.


SUNYAC  - conference of coaches  :o
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on March 06, 2007, 08:34:53 pm
What do two things do athletic programs at Brockport, Plattsburgh, Oneonta and Potsdam have in common ?

They have all won at least one NCAA National championship (any sport) 
AND
they have all made it to at least one NCAA Men's basketball Final Four in Div III.   ;D   from 1970 through this year.

Go  Brockport !!!!   

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on March 06, 2007, 09:39:23 pm
I'm going to question the credibility of d3hoops and their pole. First off, the two SIDs for the East Region that vote in the poll don't even pay attention to basketball. One is big hockey guy and other doesn't even go to games. How can you use them, that is ridiculous. WIth the top 25 poll, 1/3 of the teams didn't make the NCAA tourney and another 1/3 already has been eliminated, those are some impressive numbers. Pat, do you have something against the East Region?

Brockport is 5-1 against NESCAC school during their NCAA runs, who else can say that. And I do believe that Amherst is, as Williams fans like to say, "0 for Salem." Also, after hosting the Elite 8 game back in 2002, Brockport finished the poll at 13th, are you kidding me. That team might have been one of the most talented team, that faced a tough matchup in Rochester.

I finally was able to get that off my chest because this has been going on for a while, respect Brockport and the East Region. Just wait to see what Brockport has in store for next year
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on March 06, 2007, 10:13:01 pm
Robert DeGrandpre   Brockport    Plattsburgh NY native (how did he sneak away  ;D )
     assistant at RIT
     assistant at Brockport
     Just named HEAD coach at Hilbert
(congrats Robert)

Speaking of Rob Clune

Rob Clune   - Albany State 1981
     assistant at Plattsburgh
     assistant at   .....
     Head at Bethaney
     just was named Head coach at Allegheny

Jerome Moss     Fredonia 1981    BS and Masters   all SUNYAC team one year also if I remember correctly
     assistant at Fredonia
     assistant at Elmira
     named  head Woman's BBall coach at Buffalo State
     

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 06, 2007, 10:36:55 pm
I'm going to question the credibility of d3hoops and their pole. First off, the two SIDs for the East Region that vote in the poll don't even pay attention to basketball. One is big hockey guy and other doesn't even go to games. How can you use them, that is ridiculous. WIth the top 25 poll, 1/3 of the teams didn't make the NCAA tourney and another 1/3 already has been eliminated, those are some impressive numbers. Pat, do you have something against the East Region?

Are there not upsets in college basketball? Did I miss something? Did we start playing basketball on paper?

By the way, there are not two East Region SIDs on the men's panel. There's only one. Yes, it's more of a hockey school but I value voters with multi-regional expertise and this person has worked in three Division III regions in the past several years.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on March 07, 2007, 11:40:31 am
It is a hockey school and he doesn't even go to the basketball games. I'm sure you can find someone who has knowledge of basketball and actually goes to the games. Someone like Eric McDowell from Union would be perfect. He loves basketball and does a lot of research. Though, Union is a D1 hockey program, he has seen his fare share of good basketball teams after being at Brockport for a couple of years.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 07, 2007, 12:26:30 pm
Liberty League already has a voter.

Please, don't tell me how to make up the voter panel. You don't seem to actually know who's on the panel in the first place.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 07, 2007, 07:50:18 pm
FYI...

I just opened up a new topic in the Multi-Region room concerning this sectional.
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5165.new#new

It might make it easier for the followers of all 4 teams to discuss the tournament there; one-stop shopping.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on March 09, 2007, 10:24:00 pm
Congrats to Brockport!! Good luck against Wooster.

Nice Job Pat on the call. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2007, 03:24:03 am
Thanks -- appreciate it coming from a former broadcaster.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on March 10, 2007, 10:28:13 am
Now, during the Whitmore Era at Brockport, he has made 3 Sweet 16s and 2 Elite Eights. That's a pretty impressive resume.  Is there any chance that they could get some national respect. I would love to make it to the game today but due to the long drive, I'm not going to be there supporting the East region and Brockport.

Hey Pat, any chance within the next couple of years of having a D3hoops Shootout with different regions playing each other similar to a game that is being played today. Take a couple of teams from each region and have them play each other on neutral floors.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 10, 2007, 12:37:03 pm
Well, we kind of overestimate the current budget of the site but it does sound like a great idea. :)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on March 10, 2007, 06:45:05 pm
Another SUNYAC Major College Coach we tend to forget.

Joe Jones, Columbia. The Long Island native was a four-year letterwinner at the State University of New York at Oswego. He graduated in 1987 with a degree in communications and earned his master’s degree in counseling in 1989.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: wooscotsfan on March 10, 2007, 09:36:46 pm
Final:  Wooster 94  Brockport State 87  OT

Tremendous game and a very fine performance by the Golden Eagles! :)  Brockport had a shot to win the game at the end of regulation so Wooster is fortunate to get the win tonight.

Wooster was led tonight by James Cooper who had an unbelievable performance with 34 points!   Tim Vandervaart had 17 points, Brandon Johnson had 13 points, Tom Port had 12 points (12 boards) and Devin Fulk chipped in 10 points.

Brockport State was led by Sherod Harris with 26 points and Brandon Williams with 21 points.  These two guys are incredible players! :)  Also for Brockport, Mychal Wilkes had 12 points, Aaron Poles contributed 10 points and Cantrel Parish chipped in 9 points.

With all their starters returning, Brockport will be a very tough team next year!

Congratulations to Brockport State on a terrific season!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: David Collinge on March 10, 2007, 10:47:17 pm
Brockport State was led by Sherod Harris with 26 points and Brandon Williams with 21 points. 

Wow, amen to that.  Brockport has an excellent, excellent basketball team.  I was very impressed with the whole team, but especially Harris and Williams.  It took everything Wooster had to give to somehow pull his one out.  I believe Brockport is the best team we faced this year, and I'm certain that they deserve to be ranked fairly high in the top 25 poll. 

I know it's a cliche, but it's true: it's really a shame that either team had to lose tonight.  Congratulations to the Golden Eagles on a great team and a great season.

And congratulations to the Brockport fans, too--you really had the house rocking tonight.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on March 11, 2007, 11:57:56 am
Good job on a great season Bport you made all of us fans proud!!!!  Everyone who watched that game last night realizes you were just as good as the team you played. Many teams would have packed it in after giving up an 11 pt lead and going down by 11. Returning your top 13 players and making this nice run who knows you might receive a couple votes in the honorable mention top 25. The polls are fun for the fans but its pretty obvious they mean nothing. Good job to all the coaches and players you were a pleasure to watch all season..
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 12:28:21 pm
No offense, bports, but if Brockport didn't do enough before the tournament to prove they were a Top 25 team it would be hard for us to take it on faith.

Interestingly, the Massey Ratings before this weekend's games have Brockport at No. 28. The computers didn't think much of Brockport's resume either.

http://www.mratings.com/rate.php?lg=cb&sub=III&mid=1

Will be interesting to see what this team is without Sherod Harris for the first semester next year -- he has just one semester of eligibility left. They will remain a challenge for the voters to deal with.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on March 11, 2007, 01:32:57 pm
Pat,

They were pretty good earlier in the year without Harris and Parrish. They were much better with them, but they usually only play about 8 games or less in the first semester. He will be missed but I'm sure Whitmore will have another stud transfer fill his role. And don't let the pollsters screw with their ranking like they did when they made the Elite 8 back in 2002. They should be a top 10 team in the country and next's preseason poll should have them right there also.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 02:23:04 pm
The pollsters are allowed to do what they want, including taking into account any wins the teams had over Top 25 opponents in their bracket on the way through the tournament.

Other brackets were stacked much more heavily by the NCAA and I'm sure voters will take that into account but if Brockport is not in the Top 15 I will be very disappointed.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 11, 2007, 03:30:03 pm
The polls are fun for the fans but its pretty obvious they mean nothing. Good job to all the coaches and players you were a pleasure to watch all season..
Sometimes it's better to fly under the radar.  As you said, the polls are basically for the fans.  The players are the ones who determine the outcomes on the court. 

I wasn't able to attend last nights epic contest, but I was glued to my radio and Brockport definitely had me worried.  If David Collinge says they're the best team Wooster has faced this season, then I would have to agree in that they seem to have been vastly underrated, as Wooster has faced a bevy of quality opponents including several Top 10 NAIA teams.  In other words, that's some pretty nice praise coming from Mr. Collinge.

Congrats to Brockport on a fine season.  From the looks of things, they should be loaded coming back next year and I'm sure getting to the Elite 8 this season had to be a very pleasant surprise.  I don't think you'll have to be worrying about flying under anyone's radar next season, however!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 11, 2007, 03:31:29 pm
Congrats to the Golden Eagles on a great run.

As Slickyquick pointed out before the game, Coach Whitmore has quietly done a great job with Brockport.  They beat the other two East region conferences' champs on their floor.  They took out Williams and have beaten NESCAC tournament teams more than once now, which is rare in the East/Northeast.  And they obviously played a great game last night.

The Golden Eagles will be ranked.   And they've erased those bad memories I had from being the sole person to vote  them No. 1 a few years ago.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on March 11, 2007, 03:54:03 pm
Pat i would like an honest take as to the harris situation last night with the technical foul. He got a T for smiling after the ref had called a personal foul on him. That kid plays with a smile on his face for 40 minutes and you would think the ref would realize that. The refs then made a total mess out of the next 15 minutes trying to sort out who shoots the ft's first. It ultimately cost Bport 1 point after they let #34 re shoot his ft,s and he made both the 2nd time. It seems fairly obvious you shoot the T first with no one in the lane and then you shoot the ft's with the players in the lane. I have never seen a T givin to a player for smiling, and i think a ref has to realize the situation. I would never say it cost bport the game and take away from a good win for wooster but the refs sure did make a mess out of it.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 03:57:20 pm
It only took 7:45 or so to sort out that foul shot fiasco, let's be fair. :)

I do not know what Harris might or might not have done and unless you are him or were on the floor, I don't know if you do either, since it was on the baseline in traffic.

I do know that when Whitmore asked, the official said "I warned him three times."

I think Brockport got a makeup call pretty soon thereafter just to be sure.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on March 11, 2007, 04:24:30 pm
Just wanted to quickly say how impressed I was with the Brockport team.  Harris is amazing.  He is unstoppable.  I sat there during the game and really couldn't think of a way to take him out of the game.  I can't believe that they haven't been in the top 25 this year because I firmly believe that Wooster has not played a better team this year.  We played Georgetown (NAIA) and they were extremely athletic but still I think Brockport was the best.  With pretty much all of their team returning next year, they should do extremely well.  Funny seeing how good they were, I think Wooster fans were very taken aback by their abilities.  Good luck next year!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: WooMix on March 11, 2007, 07:23:44 pm
Is Harris as good as Cooper?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 11, 2007, 09:09:42 pm
Pat i would like an honest take as to the harris situation last night with the technical foul. He got a T for smiling after the ref had called a personal foul on him. That kid plays with a smile on his face for 40 minutes and you would think the ref would realize that. The refs then made a total mess out of the next 15 minutes trying to sort out who shoots the ft's first. It ultimately cost Bport 1 point after they let #34 re shoot his ft,s and he made both the 2nd time. It seems fairly obvious you shoot the T first with no one in the lane and then you shoot the ft's with the players in the lane. I have never seen a T givin to a player for smiling, and i think a ref has to realize the situation. I would never say it cost bport the game and take away from a good win for wooster but the refs sure did make a mess out of it.

I don't know if this is any indication of what led to the technical but I found this over on the E8 board:

Last night, he was guarding a freshman and ate him right up. He especially will try to get into whoever he is guarding into the palyers head, and talks trash.

I don't know what the situation was as I was not at the game, but judging from the fact that the kid likes to talk trash and the fact that he was warned multiple times by the officials, I really don't think there is any reason to doubt the official's decision to 'T' him up.  He had obviously been getting under the officials' skin and finally did something to break the camel's back, so to speak.  It just also happened at about the most inopportune time for Brockport.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 11, 2007, 11:14:41 pm
Is Harris as good as Cooper?

Harris appeared to be faster but I would consider Cooprt the more consistent shooter based on what I saw this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on March 12, 2007, 10:47:05 am
Hey Pat, since you were at the games this wkend, what were your takes on Fisher on a rebuilding year? although, the starters sat most of the game due to foul trouble it may have been hard to judge.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: doubledribble on March 12, 2007, 02:51:42 pm
Pointing out the actions of these referees does not take away from Wooster's win.  They need to be accountable for their egos and incompetence in such an important game.  You simply CANNOT overlook the order of FT shooters in a techinal foul situation in an ELITE 8 GAME.  Not one of those three refs saw what was going on.  It was the referee at the scorers table who finally stepped in.  Their blunder allowed #34 to retake and convert the game winning basket. 

Like PC said, who knows what was actually said down there, but in my opinion, it better have been really really bad to call a techinal foul towards the end of an ELITE 8 GAME.  The players should decide the game and not some official who feelings were hurt because he was smiled at.

This was a crucial part of the game and was even mentioned by D3Hoops coverage.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2007, 02:59:24 pm
Like PC said, who knows what was actually said down there, but in my opinion, it better have been really really bad to call a techinal foul towards the end of an ELITE 8 GAME.  T

This was 13:21 to go in the second half, not "towards the end." I don't think that rises to the standards of officials being required to swallow their whistle.

As was mentioned earlier, either here or on the NCAC board, Harris and the same official had a long discussion on a previous out of bounds play. I'm sure Harris must have had some inkling he should be on his best behavior.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: doubledribble on March 12, 2007, 03:38:03 pm
13 minutes remaining is more towards the end than the beginning and 12 seconds is not a long conversation.  I did not say that the refs should have swallowed their whistles.  I did imply that, depending on what #5 actually said, lame techinals shouldn't be called in this situation.  It's the case in every sport at every level.  The players dshould decide the crucial games.

What do you think Coach K. would do if this happened to him against Kansas in 2 weeks????  Wooster made an impressive come back and is very deserving, but those errors cost BP a trip to Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on March 12, 2007, 03:46:50 pm
You would think that at any point in an NCAA game to receive a "T" you would need to do something extremely wrong. I wasn't there and didn't see it but from other people's observations it didn't seem like it was warranted. I did listen to Pat's broadcast, but couldn't gather the same info as I would've if I was there. I'm sure there were other points during the game where Brockport could have done something different to effect the game. It seemed like the momentum shifted at that point and Wooster took control of the game.

I always try to take the PC version on referees decision making in what to call and what not to call, but it is amazing how much what they do or don't call makes a difference in the game. A great example would be during the West Virginia-Louisville (clock issues and traveling non-call) game then also the Kentucky-Mississippi State (lane violation), which both changed the outcome of the game.

Both Tubby Smith and John Beilein took the high road on what happened. They both pointed out other chances they had during the game but bit their lip when it came to officiating.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bamm on March 12, 2007, 03:49:30 pm
It is apparent the referee had a discussion with Harris -- a warning.  If he was decent enough to give the player a warning and the player chose not to heed that warning, he can give him a technical at any point after that, regardless of game situation as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on March 12, 2007, 04:03:06 pm
Wooster won the game and they deserved to win because they made the plays in overtime. But that mistake the refs made was a joke and it cost bport one point and possibly two if the shooter would have took that 2nd shot. I wont say it cost bport the game because who knows how the game would have been different. You cant give the refs a free pass on this though, a game being played at that level should be officiated at a high level and that was a high school jv game type of mistake. With that being said i think bports big mistake was in that 6 min stretch was trying to pound the ball inside time after time and it just was not there. Lets be serious here all these referees stood and watched wooster take 3 ft's before anyone realized this? Im just an average basketball junkie and even i know you shoot the T before the personal foul.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on March 12, 2007, 06:02:56 pm
Just back from Rochester, and not surprised to see the officials are a large part of the conversation here.

First - Rochester is a fabulous venue for any tournament weekend any time of the year. I've been to Wooster and never wish to return. Let's call the Fisher facility "cozy", and in a D3 kind of way, an exciting, location for a regional finals.

Re: the officials. The officials consistently get a pass and have their designated apologists on this board and in other venues. The Pope is subject to more direct criticism than the beloved Zebras. I've been ripped here for actually mentioning officials by name. Now, thanks to the Bush administration, that is prohibited by the Patriot Act.

As to the circumstances of the error of the free throw administration, incorrect free throw administration is one of only several correctable errors by rule. Given that the rules recognize that free throw administration provides significant opportunity for error, it is reasonable to expect a crew to take the time necessary to guarantee the correct administration of free throws, particularly when both personal and technical free throws are concurrently awarded, prior to their administration. This crew did not.

While we won't find their names here, I'm sure their names appear on their game checks.

Looking forward to Salem. Brockport will be missed.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: JQV on March 12, 2007, 06:16:50 pm
Now, thanks to the Bush administration, that is prohibited by the Patriot Act.

Is that seriously part of the Patriot Act?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2007, 06:34:00 pm
Names are on the box score:

http://athletics.wooster.edu/mb/boxes/2006-07/brockport.php
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 12, 2007, 07:56:59 pm
Names are on the box score:

http://athletics.wooster.edu/mb/boxes/2006-07/brockport.php
Wouldn't that be a violation of the Patriot Act??? ::)

Im just an average basketball junkie and even i know you shoot the T before the personal foul.
This is not always the case.  There are instances where the technicals are called not in the line of play or something along those lines.  It happened to Wooster earlier this season actually.  They were playing Wabash in a close game and a Wabash player was trying to save a ball from going out of bounds and called a timeout of which Wabash had none left.  The result is a technical, but not one in which Wooster retained possession after the tecnical ft's were taken.  From what I gathered from the type of technical called on Harris, it was along those same lines in that it occurred after the pf was called and B'port was going to have possesion after the ft's were taken.   With Fulk shooting the technicals second, it would have meant that Wooster was going to get possession, so it is actually a good thing for B'port that the alternate official caught the error.   That error was that  the technical ft's had to be shot first and then Vandervaart would shoot his ft's like a normal personal foul with everyone lining the lane in case of a miss and B'port would then gain possession if Vandervaart made them both which was the case.

The bottom line is that there are rules in place that allow the officials to stop the game if there was an error that is a correctable mistake.  Apparantly this was one of those instances and it also allowed for the score to be reset to where the mistake was made.  Was it unfortunate that this mistake had to be made?  Absolutely.  But the bottom line is that the correct call was made and if the officials hadn't corrected things, Wooster would have still had the ball after Fulk's fts with the possibility of taking the lead so you can't really look at that one made up ft as the sole reason B'port lost!

In regards to calling the technical or not calling the technical, I don't think anyone is really to blame other than Harris himself.  It is pretty evident that the officials went out of their way to warn this young man to cool it and stop showing up the officials.  If he chooses not to heed those warnings and gets t'd up for it, then I see no one to blame but Harris for not keeping his cool and for not keeping his mouth shut.  He should know better than letting his emotions get the better of him at a critical point of the game. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2007, 08:07:41 pm
The lead had already gone from 12 points to four when the technical was called. The tide was already turning. This didn't help but it wasn't like it sparked it.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2007, 08:44:50 pm
Now, thanks to the Bush administration, that is prohibited by the Patriot Act.

Is that seriously part of the Patriot Act?

Actually, that level of privacy issue is covered by Kennedy-Kasselbaum, otherwise known as HIPAA! :)

The ACLU is seeking FOIA in the United States District Court Western District Of New York to reveal the names.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2007, 08:48:01 pm
I thought that the falling out-of-bounds timeout was not recognized this year.

Please help me.  The official recognized the technical even tho' there were none left.

Had Wooster had a time out, and he fell out of bounds/lost possession because of the rule change, would Wooster have lost the ball and been charged with the timeout?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2007, 12:05:31 am
I wish more schools in this league took D3hoops.com seriously. Seven schools have yet to cast a D3hoops.com All-Region ballot. Doesn't bode well for the conference's representation.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on March 13, 2007, 08:52:49 am
I thought that the falling out-of-bounds timeout was not recognized this year.

Please help me.  The official recognized the technical even tho' there were none left.

Had Wooster had a time out, and he fell out of bounds/lost possession because of the rule change, would Wooster have lost the ball and been charged with the timeout?

Not sure what you are saying here???
Wabash was falling out of bounds and called a time-out but had none left to call.  They were granted the time-out (sort of, players were off the floor due to deliberation)because by the time the refs realized they didn't have any left, the players were already off of the floor.  There was deliberation of what to do and Wabash was charged with a technical.  From what I remember, Wooster shot the free-throws but was not awarded possession after them.  The ball went back to Wabash.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 13, 2007, 09:07:12 am
I thought that the falling out-of-bounds timeout was not recognized this year.
Yeah, that was the screwy part of that whole scenario.  The technical was awarded to Wooster because Wabash called a timeout when they had none remaining.  I had forgotton about the rule change stating that you could no longer call a timeout when falling out of bounds to save possession.  In that case, Wooster should have been awarded the ball as well due to Wabash losing the ball out of bounds.  Oh well, it didn't cost Wooster the game or anything.  At least the officials got the technical right which iced the game for the Scots in that game.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on March 13, 2007, 10:22:34 am
I thought that the falling out-of-bounds timeout was not recognized this year.
Yeah, that was the screwy part of that whole scenario.  The technical was awarded to Wooster because Wabash called a timeout when they had none remaining.  I had forgotton about the rule change stating that you could no longer call a timeout when falling out of bounds to save possession.  In that case, Wooster should have been awarded the ball as well due to Wabash losing the ball out of bounds.  Oh well, it didn't cost Wooster the game or anything.  At least the officials got the technical right which iced the game for the Scots in that game.

From my undestanding, you can still fall out of bounds and call a time-out.  What you CAN'T do is jump out of bounds and call a time-out.  I thought both feet had to be on the floor and that it would still be recognized.  Pat or anyone else?  Is this the ruling?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: ScotsFan on March 13, 2007, 11:39:14 am
division3hoops,

You are correct.  You have to have control of the ball and both feet in bounds to call a timeout as you're falling out of bounds  (kind of like a sideline reception in the NFL).  I wasn't at the Wabash game in Crawfordsville, but from the radio broadcast, it sounded as if the Wabash player jumped to save the ball and called timeout in the air.  Like I said, I wasn't there, so maybe he did have control while callling timeout before falling out of bounds.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: division3hoops on March 13, 2007, 12:34:30 pm
ScotsFan -
I was at the game and never thought that the player didn't have control of the ball or both feet on the ground. I remember some people yelling about not being able to call time-out when falling out of bounds and I also remember sitting there disagreeing with them because I was pretty sure both of the players feet were on the ground and that he did have control.  I think a lot of people were confused about the new rule.
I agreed completely with the ruling the officals made.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on March 15, 2007, 04:05:41 pm
Isn't this is the SUNYAC board...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: zola on March 18, 2007, 09:17:29 pm
Sitting in Myrtle Beach after 3 great days of basketball in Salem. Both semis were well played nail-biters. Amherst held off a solid Wooster rally and VWC squeeked by WU StL when the Bears last shoot got off just after the horn. Great performances out of Tom Port (Wooster), Sean Wallis (Wash), Brandon Adair (VWC), and Olsen (Amherst) as per MVP.

Finals a total snooze. VWC played poorly. Too much pointless dribbling leading to unforced turnovers, mindless shot selection, and Adair dropped a bomb. 3-11 from the line included many front end of 1 and 1 misses. Amherst was too deep and balanced, protected the ball. Never in doubt.

Overall...

1. Brockport, SJF, can compete with any of this year's final 4.
2.  Wooster brought the whole town. Great support.
3. Amherst fans the loudest and crudest.
4. Salem knows how to throw a party (move this up to 1.)
5. Montano's - fabulous restaurant. Superb filet, scallops, shrimp, live acoustic music. Should not be missed.
6. Burgland Ford - Got us out of major car trouble with incredible service, care, and attention (they really are #1). Thanks again.
7. And as, we have grown to expect from our D3 zebras, they were, of course, inconsistent, often confused, villified by coaches, fans, next of kin...but they're our zebras. In fact, one of our little favorites from Utica worked a semi along with a western NY lad that we love in the greater Roch area. Just like home.

Appreciate all the time that several have contributed to the board throughout the season.

Looking forward to golf, riding the Triumph,  and next October 15th.

One last nod to the 04-05 Bears out there.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on March 21, 2007, 11:56:21 am
Williams Tabbed All-District by NABC Coaches ;D

KANSAS CITY, Mo.  - Plattsburgh State men's basketball player Anthony Williams collected another award for his trophy case on Tuesday when the National Association of Basketball Coaches selected him to the NABC Division III East All-District First Team. He finished third in the player of the year balloting behind Utica's Ray Bryant and Hamilton's Tsakani Ngobeni.

Williams, who helped the Cardinals to a 21-9 mark (school record for victories in a season), second consecutive State University of New York Athletic Conference championship and first NCAA Tournament win since 1976 in their second straight trip to the Big Dance, has also been named the SUNYAC Player of the Year, D3hoops.com All-East Region First Team and SUNYAC All-Tournament Team.

A 6-1 junior guard from Brooklyn (Paul Robeson High School), Williams averaged a conference-leading 21.6 points, 4.8 assists and 2.1 steals per game.  His performance during the SUNYAC tournament was even better, averaging 25.5 points, 7.5 rebounds and 3.5 assists in three games en route to the title.   
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on March 21, 2007, 01:04:41 pm
Williams is better then Bryant
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on March 25, 2007, 05:46:19 pm
Have to believe J. Rother's collegiate career finally over after many stops. Took part in NJAC/Skyline Senior Game. Had 7pts, 4rebs in 7' in 146-124 NJAC win. Rother's Wm Paterson squad had disappointing 15-10 campaign. Pioneers expected to make nat'l waves
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on April 12, 2007, 06:02:52 pm
April 5, 2007

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Anthony Williams' accolades continue as he was named to the National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) NCAA Division III third-team All-America team. Williams is the lone representative of the SUNYAC conference, and the first basketball player to receive this honor in Plattsburgh State history. Williams led the SUNYAC in points, assists and steals while helping the Cardinals secure its second consecutive SUNYAC championship. Williams has also been selected as the SUNYAC Player of the Year, D3hoops.com All-East Region First Team, NABC East All-District First Team and SUNYAC All-Tournament Team. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on May 22, 2007, 07:53:57 am
I see that Morrisville's 07-08 schedule is up on their site and that they play a full slate of SUNYAC games   -  what is their status  -  do their games count in the other teams' league records?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on May 30, 2007, 04:36:04 pm
As I understand it, Morrisville's games will count in the SUNYAC standings, as well as regional W-L. 

Since the SUNYAC is an automatic bid conference, Morrisville won't be eligible for the conference tournament until they are eligible for full NCAA membership.

In effect, they become spoilers until they are a full member.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 30, 2007, 04:51:14 pm
Morrisville does not count as a regional opponent until 2008-09.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: sixfour on July 05, 2007, 11:52:57 am
i hear some rumblings out of new paltz? anyone in "the know" about possible shake ups in that program???
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on July 10, 2007, 09:20:37 am
Well the job is posted on the NCAA website so I would assume that Dougie P resigned to take another position or was fired. I haven't heard anything regarding the situation though.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on July 11, 2007, 12:39:57 pm
He's returning to Homer HS.  Near his wife's hometown.

here's the link

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070710/SPORTS/707100339

College coaching is a tough gig when you have a growing family.

Once again, the board is prescient.


Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: sixfour on July 12, 2007, 06:27:47 pm


Once again, the board is prescient.




wish him nothing but the best of luck, everything ive heard about him, although never had the pleasure of meeting him, has been positive.

about being prescient....i have some people in my life who are/have been close to the program so I had to ask around here when i heard the Rumor.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on July 23, 2007, 03:39:59 pm
I have heard from 2 people that Bport has 2 big time players coming in next year to go along with there top 13 players returning. One of them is a transfer from a div 1 school and im not sure if the other is a transfer or frosh? I dont want to jinx this so i will not give the transfers name as i will believe it when i see it.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: WNYHoops on July 24, 2007, 11:47:40 am
I have heard the transfer might possibly be Calvin Betts, formerly of UB and Rush-Henrietta. Living in Buffalo you sometimes hear things ... but I would find that very hard to believe unless he had some major problems at UB. Why would a kid on full scholarship to a DI school leave to attend a DIII state school in his hometown?? But if Betts is going to B-Port, that has not only regional, but national implications. With the people they have returning along with Betts, who is a legit DI player, everyone else in the SUNYAC might be playing for 2nd place.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2007, 12:39:17 pm
WNYHoops -- it happens frequently.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: WNYHoops on July 24, 2007, 02:15:57 pm
Well Pat, if indeed Betts is transferring to Brockport and is eligible to play this year, they will be one of the top 10 teams in the country. Coming off an Elite 8 showing and returning most of their players ... PLUS adding Betts could put them over the top. He was getting minutes last year at UB and playing well. I felt he was the top player coming out of Rochester two years ago, and he should have 3 years of eligibility left. His size and athleticism would seem to be a good fit for their style. If his mind is right, I would think he should have his way with most SUNYAC 3-men. So mark it down right now, Brockport (with Betts on the roster) is the favorite for the top ranking in the East Region. I know the season has not even started and a lot can happen between now and Oct. 15th, but you should get out to see this team play next year. They should have high expectations at "the port."
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2007, 04:07:07 pm
I think the only question with Brockport would be what they do in the first semester with Sherod Harris out.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on July 24, 2007, 05:35:51 pm
wny  That is exactly what i heard i just didnt want to come out and say it. I never believe these things until i see it happen. I heard this a month or so ago and i also heard the guard coming in is on a level with  sherod harris. Time will tell but im not to worried about harris only playing 2nd semester, after all that is the semester that counts and his brother sean and wylkes will hold down the fort. Lets not forget about poles either that kid is very good.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on July 24, 2007, 05:41:48 pm
Sean harris was playing the whole post season last year with a very bad sprained ankle. It was so bad i dont think he even played in a few games in the sunyac tourney, or if he did it was only for a couple minutes. There is no doubt that sherod is there best player but the still have a very strong backcourt without him.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2007, 11:12:53 pm
Heh -- both semesters count, bports. If Brockport struggles badly in the first semester and drops a bunch of games it will affect where they play in the NCAA Tournament, if they qualify.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: WNYHoops on July 25, 2007, 09:07:11 am
Obviously missing Sharod the first semester will hurt Bport, but traditionally the games in the first semester will be non-league, with a tournament here or there (I think they actually host a tip-off). Probably around 10 games before Christmas that I don't think would be too grueling. Adding Betts plus their overall depth should not affect them too much with the Harris loss. He will be back for the bulk of their schedule and the tournament. Pat, I don't think making the NCAA's will be an issue with them (Unless they completely implode internally), but an early loss or two could effect their placement. Would they have felt better last year playing Wooster at Tuttle??

This team is loaded and clearly the favorite in the SUNYAC and the always-competitive Chase Tournament before that. I would be surprised if they are not one of the top seeds in the country come March.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on July 25, 2007, 09:44:31 am
Regardless of Brockport adding any transfers, they should be preseason top 10 and maybe top 5. They could be scary good. And by the way, Shawn Harris actually had a broken bone in his leg. The bone was a non-weight bearing bone but it hurt everytime he jumped, which is much of his game. He played the last month or so of the season with it. Scary to think what he and Brockport could've done with him 100%.

As far as Brockport's schedule next year, they will not have 3 of 5 starters for the first semester. Sherod Harris, Dave Maldanaldo, and Cantrell Parrish will be out. They'll only be out for 4 games unless Brockport picks up another game 1st semester.

All of us D3 fans lost out on another Fisher-Brockport game because Kornaker backed out on a game at Tuttle North for the second time in three years. I always enjoyed watching these two quality programs battle it out. It's too bad Kornaker doesn't want play a quality non-conference game. Inside sources say that defending National Champions Amherst could come to Brockport in late February to replace the Fisher game. It has yet to be confirmed but there is a possibility.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on July 25, 2007, 11:38:05 am
Why will the three players mentioned, Harris, Maldanado, and Parrish, be out the first semester?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 25, 2007, 12:07:03 pm
Harris has only one semester of eligibility left. Can't speak to the others.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on July 25, 2007, 04:49:12 pm
They will all be out because of various reasons, I'm not at liberty to say because I think some of the reasons are private matters. With a small game load during the first semester, those 3 players not being there will make a difference but not a huge one because of Brockport's depth. They will be playing in Lebanon Valley's tournament and then two league games.

As far as the transfers go, Calvin Betts will not being going to Brockport next season. Consider that rumor dead because there has been zero contact and Betts has not asked for his release from UB. Also, right now there will no other known transfers are headed to Brockport.

Though, as I made mention of last season, watch out for a transfer after semester break. This could be the East region's chance at making some noise nationally.  I have no names or any ideas of who he would bring in but don't be surprised if something happens.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on July 30, 2007, 05:51:11 pm
"...Sean harris was playing the whole post season last year with a very bad sprained ankle. It was so bad i dont think he even played in a few games in the sunyac tourney, or if he did it was only for a couple minutes. There is no doubt that sherod is there best player but the still have a very strong backcourt without him...."

He looked really healthy in the LOSS to Plattsburgh in the finals at Brockport and in the game against Bport's first round opponents in the NCAA's at STF.    I believe he made the All SUNYAC tourney team also.
Looking at the teams box scores for the SUNYAC tourney he played his normal 23 plus minutes for the whole tournament (or more)    31 points in 28 minutes vs P'burgh.

The Favorite and #1 ranked TEAM in the SUNYAC league is the two timed defending conference champions the Plattsburgh State Cardinals.   The automatic bid goes through the North Country based  on conference play and head to head results for the past two seasons.    Anthony Wiliams was/is the best guard in the conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on August 01, 2007, 04:49:43 pm
Lets see there cards there is sean harris and there is sherrod harris, you might want to go back to that box score and check your facts.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on August 02, 2007, 09:26:57 am
As Cards would say, Anthony Williams is the best guard in the SUNYAC. Well, I'm sure many that have seen him play agree that he is one of the best if not the best guard in the league. Here is my opinion.

Williams is a very solid player. He is one of those guys that just puts up numbers. I would imagine after playing against him other SUNYAC coaches look at the box and say, "Wow, I didn't think he had 24 points, 7 boards, and 6 assists." He does everything quietly and bam. It's similar to dying a slow death.

Sherod Harris is THE most exciting guard in the SUNYAC. He is an eye catcher. Everything he does surprises you. Unlike Williams opposing coaches probably say, "Didn't he have like 30 points?" Yet, he only had 18 but made big play after big play and totally changed the tempo of the game.

Now, I'm not saying that either is better, they their battle during the SUNYAC season should be interesting. As I said last year, Plattsburgh will very good. It will be a two horse race, lead by the two best guards in the SUNYAC.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on August 09, 2007, 03:12:03 pm
Any word on the opening at New Paltz? I would assume that some assistants from Williams and Fisher would apply for that. Has anyone heard anything?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on August 09, 2007, 10:35:33 pm
Any word on the opening at New Paltz? I would assume that some assistants from Williams and Fisher would apply for that. Has anyone heard anything?

Yeah, the article on the hiring was in my local paper this morning (I live 20 minutes from NP).  They went with an assistant from D2 Concordia College (NY) named Dagan Nelson.  He's been an assistant here and there for a long time as well as a HS coach.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on August 16, 2007, 05:18:31 pm
According to my sources, Brockport coach Nelson Whitmore will resign at Brockport and take the head position at Hamlin University in St. Paul, Minnesota. Hamlin has a rich history of basketball, it held the first intercollegiate game in 1895. It is considered "the birthplace of basketball." Associate head coach Gregg Dunne will take over the Golden Eagles on an interim basis for the upcoming year.

All I have to say is WOW, never expected this. Let the rumors fly...
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2007, 03:01:31 pm
That's been mentioned on the MIAC board as well. Interesting move, if true.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on August 18, 2007, 11:32:39 am
I heard the news on whitmore yesterday but didnt want to mention it until it was made official. I dont blame him one bit for leaving with some of the BS that goes on in that athletic department. Funny how a coach up there can call his own shots for the last two years and another coach cant get anything he wants? Dont be surprised if they lose there football coach next they have his team practicing in a cow pasture. The condition of  that football field in november- dec has already cost them  a home playoff game and has bee an absolute joke the last 3 years. I am a diehard Bport fan but i am really starting to wonder what is going on up there. It must be real fun to recruit a kid after looking at that football field after they have just returned from a cortland visit. I realize money doesnt grow on trees but someone up there better get there act together.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 18, 2007, 01:11:49 pm
According to my sources, Brockport coach Nelson Whitmore will resign at Brockport and take the head position at Hamlin University in St. Paul, Minnesota. Hamlin has a rich history of basketball, it held the first intercollegiate game in 1895. It is considered "the birthplace of basketball."

No, it's considered to be the birthplace of college basketball. The birthplace of basketball is Springfield, MA, which is where Dr. James Naismith invented the sport while a teacher at the YMCA School. That's why the Basketball Hall of Fame is located there.

And Whitmore's new school is spelled "Hamline". Incidentally, while it does indeed have a rich basketball history (including a 1978 trip to the D3 Final Four), Hamline has not added much to that rich history in recent years. The Pipers have definitely been an afterthought in the MIAC for at least the past decade, which has been dominated by St. Thomas, Gustavus Adolphus, and St. John's (with a brief flurry of competitiveness from Augsburg when Devean George of the Dallas Mavericks was an Auggie in the late '90s).

I'd be curious to find out why Whitmore has left a program that he has turned into a regional power and tourney presence within a weak region for an underperforming and poorly-supported program in a middling conference in a much stronger region. In other words, he's gone from being a big fish in a small pond to being a small fish in a big pond, competition-wise. Was it money? Dissatisfaction with Brockport's facilities, administration, or atmosphere? Or does he have some tie to Hamline or to the Twin Cities that made this a desirable choice? Because just looking at the facts on the surface -- which is all we have to go on at this point -- it appears to be a lateral move at best on Whitmore's part.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on August 18, 2007, 10:44:54 pm
Sorry for the mix up with Hamline. As for a couple of interesting scenarios that were confronted at Brockport with Whitmore.

1) Whitmore was offered the job at Hamline and then came to Brockport to see what they could do as far as job duties, salary, etc. Brockport didn't give him ANYTHING. There was no offer for a pay raise (which is due, more on that in a sec) or decrease in administrative duties.

2) His job at Brockport is 50% administrative and 50% coaching. It is surprising how well he has done when you can't focus all your time to coaching. He was also the assistant athletic director.

3) His Brockport teams have the 7th most wins in the country since 2000. Not in the SUNYAC, not New York State, but in the country. Those are impressive numbers and he was not given any type of raise besides cost of living raises throughout that time. During that time, Brockport went to 2 Sweet 16's and 2 Elite 8's.

4) His staff at Brockport is the lowest paid in the SUNYAC. That includes his salary and his only paid assistant Gregg Dunne. There are several staffs that have two paid assistants or one paid assistant that gets a decent amount of money. It is very hard to recruit when an assistant coach holds another job outside the college.

5) There were two other members of the athletic staff at Brockport that received significant raises after successful seasons. Nelson Whitmore and his basketball teams have been the most successful team on campus since he took over. I know you can argue with wrestling but it's different when you are competing with over 300 teams for NCAA bids compared to around 100 for wrestling.

6) At Hamline he will have a full time assistant, good facilities, and an administration that will be supportive. It is in a great city and the school is well known for their academics (law school especially).

7) Though Hamline hasn't been successful in recent years, Whitmore's philosophy is much different then anyone in that league. That will make him unique and bring a different style then what everyone else is use to. Kids love to play in his uptempo system.

Overall, I think it is a good opportunity for Coach Whitmore and his family. He feels like he is wanted in St. Paul and is obviously willing to move his family out there. To leave a potential National Championship contender about a week before classes start, he must of felt that he was severely snubbed by administration at Brockport. I wish him nothing but the best for him. I'm sure he will be successful.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 20, 2007, 01:38:27 am
Interesting response. You obviously have the inside dope on the situation in B'port. Thanks, Slickyquick. Check out the current conversation in the MIAC room, where a lot of Minnesota folks who have a good understanding of Hamline's current status are weighing in about Whitmore's move.

One point I'd like to make, though, is about his preference for an uptempo game being a contrast to the deliberate halfcourt style preferred in the MIAC. There are reasons why that style has always been a hallmark of MIAC play, and why coaches have had difficulty installing a successful uptempo game in that league (and in other midwestern D3 leagues where a similar halfcourt style of play is the norm). One is that a coach faces an uphill battle if he attempts to utilize a different style of play than what is common within his recruiting base, and I can tell you with a fair degree of certainty that jackrabbit ball is not the prevailing style in Minnesota high school basketball. Another is that, if the talent level of two teams is roughly equal, the game is invariably won by the team that executes better, and if the two teams are used to significantly different paces then the team that dictates the tempo will usually be the one better positioned to make fewer mistakes than the opposition. And it's easier for a slowdown, defense-first team to dictate tempo than it is for a speed-it-up, fullcourt team of equal or lesser talent (unless you're talking about a gimmick offense like Grinnell's), provided that the slowdown team has a couple of ballhandlers who can beat a press (or a smart and precise collection of pressbreak passers). Unless he can somehow find the players locally (since Hamline, like almost every team in that league, recruits very few out-of-state kids) who can fit into his system and bring more to the table in terms of skills and abilities than do the kids from Gustavus Adolphus, St. Thomas, and St. John's, those teams are just going to take the air out of the ball by walking it up the floor on each possession and then grind the Pipers down in the halfcourt with physicality and superior execution.

I just get the distinct impression that he's going to be forced to work with a very different breed of player at Hamline than he's had at Brockport State -- and that his opposition may be very different in nature as well.

Good luck to Coach Whitmore, of course, and I'll add that from my point of view it'd be nice to see Hamline rise up and make the MIAC a little more interesting than the usual two- or three-team horse race that it tends to be. But there's no guarantee that the success he enjoyed with his uptempo style at Brockport State will necessarily translate well to the Land of 10,000 Lakes.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on August 20, 2007, 01:39:16 pm
I haven't seen anything official on the Brockport pages... but it is on the Hamline site so it must be "official"

http://www.hamline.edu/hamline_info/athletics/index.html

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on August 20, 2007, 04:54:55 pm
In response to Gregory Sager's comments about jackrabbit ball. I wouldn't call Whitmore's style like that. He wants his teams to force tempo and force turnovers. I'm sure that the MIAC has good guards but Whitmore's teams have made plenty of good guards into tentative players.

Players do not like pressure all the time and that is what his teams will give you. His system is not a gimmick like Grinnell, he has been successful with it since he started coaching. Yes, his players there have to buy into the system and it will be difficult because he really conditions his teams but it is a fun system to play in and to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on August 20, 2007, 07:02:10 pm
I want to say good luck to coach Whitmore and thanks for all the great memories and great seasons. You and your teams made our Bport winters alot easier to handle with all of your success.  I think Grgg Dunne who has coached under whitmore for years is a GREAT replacement. Lets just hope its  a long term answer and that the athletic department doesnt fumble this also!!!! Speaking of fumble the first football game is two weeks away and where are the golden eagle socity renewal forms? Whitmore did Bport proud and when the chips were down as usual the athletic department up at tuttle did nothing. I guess if you are not in there  little click up there you get nothing and if you are you get two years of anything you want!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on August 21, 2007, 04:26:11 pm
Well, it's officially official that Nelson Whitmore has left Brockport and is headed to Hamline.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070821/SPORTS09/708210324/1007/SPORTS (http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070821/SPORTS09/708210324/1007/SPORTS)

I'm still in shock that he has been treated this bad by Brockport. I guess the clique that bports was talking about has some major influence while doing minimal amounts of work.

SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Drake Palmer on August 21, 2007, 07:36:36 pm
That's an interesting article SQ.  If you go back about 6 weeks on the MIAC board former Hamline coach, Barry Wohler, was quoted as saying he was leaving Hamline for a high school coaching position for more money - or "financial security" as he called it.  If I find the link I'll post it here.

It'll be interesting to see how Coach Whitmore does his first season at Hamline. I wish him well, but the cupboard's a little empty especially for the type of ball that Whitmore apparently prefers.

And I was just messing with you & not really trying to bust your chops the other day on the MIAC board.   ;)




 

   
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on August 21, 2007, 08:57:35 pm
I'm sure Whitmore will get things going quickly (no pun intended) up at Hamline. First season might be struggle considering what is left (from reading the MIAC board) but I'm sure he will get some players there.

Rumor has it, the president at Brockport was not happy with the article in the D & C today. I think anyone would be a little bitter about building HIS own program up and being let down by administration. The president should be ashamed of his actions or lack of regarding Whitmore.

Though Brockport is a very attractive job (w/PE and closeness to BLo and Roch), I think that Whitmore has let his frustrations be known to other coaches. His words carry quite a bit within the NYS coaches fraternity.  It will be interesting to see who those choose.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 22, 2007, 12:55:19 am
Quote
No, it's considered to be the birthplace of college basketball. The birthplace of basketball is Springfield, MA, which is where Dr. James Naismith invented the sport while a teacher at the YMCA School. That's why the Basketball Hall of Fame is located there.

Incidentally Hamline isn't the only Division III school making this claim.  From the Geneva College website (http://www.geneva.edu/page/fast_facts)...

"Geneva is the "Birthplace of College Basketball," having hosted the first collegiate game in 1892."

Maybe they can play a game this year with winner-take-moniker stakes. :)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: quickyslick on August 22, 2007, 05:40:00 am
Hey Slickyquick, Do you think the NCAA violations by Whitmore's program had anything to do with his departure?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on August 22, 2007, 09:15:39 am
As far as I know the only violation that occurred was when a couple of guys on the team clocked in for work study. Though the players didn't receive any money, the players got suspended for the year by the university from athletics. The NCAA believed that their suspensions were too harsh and granted all those kids another year of eligibility. Then those same players were suspended by the NCAA for the first couple of games of last year.

So no, I don't think that violation had anything to do with his departure. Maybe it let administration think that it was okay to let their best and most successful coach leave and get nothing in return.

If those are the violations that you are talking about then there is the explanation for that. Also, no need to try and copy my name.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: quickyslick on August 22, 2007, 08:40:24 pm
But were the violations the reason that the administration did not feel the need to Whitmore the money he wanted? The money is obviously there since other coaches have been rewarded for success so there must have been another reason for the admin not to at least counter the Hamline offer.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on August 22, 2007, 09:05:18 pm
They were deemed minor violations for the basketball program. If you consider what happened with the football team with using a player who wasn't even enrolled in the school. That made FOXSports' bottom line. Now, that's embarrassing. How can administration not check to see if someone has at least 12 credits or is at least enrolled?

Could that whole situation made a difference, maybe. Even before that happened Whitmore was worthy of a raise with his success and never received one. He has had success over time while other sports' (baseball and football) coaches were rewarded with raises and decreases in their other duties, while having less success over time. I think Whitmore has brought more positive light to Brockport than anything else on campus, academics included.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: quickyslick on August 23, 2007, 07:37:52 am
It is my understanding according to the newspaper article in the D&C that the football situation was caused by a computer glich in the academic record keeping program and not the coach's fault. The basketball situation was different because Whitmore was the supervisor for the athletes that were abusing the workstudy program hours and pay. The three players were working for Whitmore and according to one of the players, were clocking in during practice times.

It is clear that this was probably a determinging factor in the college's decision not to reward Whitmore for winning a few games. You have to do more than win games to get a substantial raise at the Division III level.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bimbo coles on August 23, 2007, 09:03:11 am
the whitmore situation seems stick, and one that doesn't make sense.. if money was the issue, (don't know how much whitmore made, or what coaches of top 10 teams make).. i can understand that.. like with any profession pay comes with production.. and brockport HAS produced over the past (172-86) over whitmores tenure with the only losing season he has had with the port was his first season 98-99 when they wen't 8-16... whitmore has gained brockport national notariaty taking the port to the national tourney 4 times in 9 seasons, some coaches don't ever get there.... 4 ecac bids.. so 8 out of 9 seasons whitmore has been at the helm brockport has advanced to post season play... so numbers wise whitmore has got the job done, and was well worthy of any kind of raise or money that a top notch division 3 program offers their coaches... i don't think one instance (players falsely claiming work study) would institute such treatment?? maybe i'm wrong but i feel like there is something missing from the equation.. not having really having a real strong knowledge of brockport, or their program besides playing against them a few times in my college days i don't feel i have the authority to probe at what whitmore has built at brockport.. does anyone know what the grad rate of the basketball program was..?? i know at some schools it is not the winning percentage but the character of athletes and the integrity they bring to the program.. i have never heard of such instances with the brockport program that's why i can't piece together the situation.. in my opinion i would say that d3 coaches have few bullets to accomplish:
- recruit quality kids to maintain the integrity of the school/program
- recruit quality athletes to maintain the athletic standards the school has set
- teach players dicipline, how to trust a system, and prepare them for the outside world (outside of basketball).
- win games
- graduate players
- repeat.

if whitmore did all of the above he is a successful coach in my eyes. hamline is lucky to have him.

good luck to the port and whitmore.

whats the SUNYAC looking like this year on paper?? since that's all we really have to go by.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on August 23, 2007, 09:20:45 am
QS, come on. A computer glitch, thats a terrible excuse. Usually you can tell if a student is enrolled or not without needing a computer. If they say that then they need to make more frequent calls to admissions and records. I'm not saying that it is the football coach's fault on that but he should at least by aware of things like that, as should as administration. Coaches should at least check on the academic progress of their athletes. Maybe at other institutions someone else checks student-athletes academic progress, but I believe at D3 most coaches do that themselves.

As far as Whitmore being in charge on the work study program, I'm not sure about that. Maybe he is, I can't confirm or deny that. But again, the guys suspended never received money, hence minor violations.

Bimbo, as far as the SUNYAC goes, 2-time defending champs Plattsburgh and Brockport should be the head of the class. Another two horse race as it was last year. Look for Fredonia, Buffalo State, and Potsdam to make improvements. Fredonia and Potsdam are both a year older and will look to make a push to host a SUNYAC tournament game. Buff St could be very good, just a matter of meshing all their pieces (isn't that always the case). I'm sure Oswego will be right up there. Has anyone heard if Perioli is making a comeback? If he does, that pushes Oswego right back to the top. Yes...he's that good.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bimbo coles on August 23, 2007, 09:47:48 am
slicky - i agree with the top 2... team i like is geneseo, i am a big fan of morton and this could be the year they have their coming out.. i could also be very wrong on that one as well, i pick them for my dark horse.. i was never a fan of buff state... always loads of tallent over the past 3-4 years, never make much noise though... i do like oswego this year as well with perioli back saw him play this summer and he looked better than ever, i don't like their size.. they are a grind it out kind of team, but it's hard to grind when you don't have the muscle or size... they will be guard loaded, not much else.. i would have to say top 5 teams in SUNYAC are brockport, potsdam, plattsburg, oswego, geneseo.. any word on morrisville.. i'm curious to see how they will fare in first year SUNYAC test.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on August 23, 2007, 10:55:11 am
You are right Bimbo, I always forget about Geneseo for some reason. They have a couple of really good juniors in Morton and Howe. Howe might be one of the better bigs in the conference if he has developed like I thought he would. I'm not as familiar with their other players but those two kids are very good.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: notquickorslick on August 23, 2007, 05:08:04 pm
Sorry slickyquick, but I did a little research and your facts are not exactly accurate.  Several years ago, the football coach at Brockport went from a 10-month contract to a 12-month contract and thus his salary was raised to reflect that.  He has also received several merit increases (I believe they are referred to as DSI's at Brockport), as has the baseball coach.  Other than the DSI's and the regular yearly percentage raise, the baseball coach has never had a raise for as long as he's been there (at least 10 years).  As far as the extra duties are concerned, the consensus is that Whitmore always had the least on his plate out of all the full-time coaches.

Since you are so well-informed of Whitmore's situation, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned that he went from 12-months to 10-months a few years ago without a decrease in salary, which in effect turns out to be a substantial raise when you consider his average monthly salary.  He also has received multiple DSI's, and the administration approved his request to pocket money from his summer camps, which is something that no other Brockport coach is permitted to do.

I know Coach Whitmore has been singing the blues lately about his so-called "mistreatment" at Brockport, but don't let him fool you.  His situation isn't nearly as bad as he would have everyone believe.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: quickyslick on August 23, 2007, 05:51:21 pm
Plattsburgh must be considered the team to beat in the SUNYAC. They beat B-Port at B-Port in the SUNYAC finals last year and have a majority of the key players back. Brockport (with or without Whitmore) is the only team that will give them a fight. The talent is still there in B-port but the team could be without at least one of its outside threats. They still have a host of perimeter shooters and Williams and Parrish inside. Whitmore built a solid and deep squad and Dunne says he is going to play the same style. Not many teams can run with Brockport for 40 minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on August 23, 2007, 07:21:30 pm
Now people are making up names to try and question me. Thats fine, I have no problem with that. I'm not close enough to the situation to know all the pay scale stuff but I did hear through the grapevine that the football received a $30,000 raise a couple of years ago when he was about to leave for Mansfield, he was also promised a turf field. Now, as that new guy says moving from a 10 month position to a 12 month position increases salary, I can agree with that, but by $30,000 that's completely irrational or was that a computer glitch too. The reasoning behind the raise was that football was a "money" sport. Its D3 and no sport is a money sport, football is more of a burden then anything.

It is all about keeping up with the Joneses now and if you aren't willing to pay then you will lose coaches. They paid up for the football coach and the football team has done nothing but be .500 since then. Yes, he did make the NCAAs for 4 straight years, but it's not the same when you are competing with about half as many teams.

As far as the camp situation goes, it is common knowledge that money from basketball camps throughout the country to the coaches after the state gets you on the taxes. It doesn't matter what level you are at D1, D2, or D3 camp money goes to the head coaches. That is just common practice, so it isn't an exemption. I'm sure that the wrestling coach gets his fair share of money from the camps that he runs.

On top of Whitmore having much success on the court, he has developed several coaches throughout the Section V area. All league players are a yearly thing with Whitmore. He has produced severeal All-Americans, Mark Wadams (twice), Mike Medbury (twice), Charlie Croff, and Ben Bellucci. He has also had a couple of professional players in Mike Medbury, Ben Bellucci , and Jerry Cheeves. Graduation rates aren't recorded in D3 like they are in D1 but I'm sure his is quite high. He has also raised a substantial amount of money for cancer research with his team the past two years. I did a little research on my own and noticed that his team was 2nd in the Champ/LifeSkills challenge among male teams at the school.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: who cares?? on August 23, 2007, 10:45:48 pm
hi
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: who cares?? on August 23, 2007, 11:05:30 pm
Congratulations to Nelson Whitmore for his success at SUNY Brockport and good luck at Hamline!  I am confident that he will make Hamline a national contender!
He knows how to win!

As a coach, in the SUNYAC conference, I am embarassed for our profession by the "drama" that is being posted about Nelson's departure.  Please remember that coaching is about working with young and  impressionable student-athletes.  I strongly believe that the "drama" that is being written about on this site is unprofessional and in the end will only hurt the student-athletes at Brockport and Hamline.  They have access to this site and we are not setting a good example of what it means to be "professional".   
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on August 24, 2007, 09:34:06 am
I agree who cares? about the students, but I'm just stating the facts that I know about the Whitmore situation at Brockport. I understand that players, coaches, and obviously fans of the conference get on here. The difference with this situation is that we aren't saying anything derogatory about student athletes. They are not the ones that are professional and don't deserve the criticism that that the media gives them. I just think coaches and administration are fair game.

On a closing note, I want to wish both Nelson Whitmore at Hamline and Greg Dunne at Brockport in this upcoming year.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bimbo coles on August 24, 2007, 10:15:54 am
i don't think there is any "drama" on the situation... when things like this happen on the news, in sports, or anywhere else, there is going to be talk and opinions... i don't think there was any bashing or derogitory comments towards players at brockport or the coaching staff.. slicky has some beefs with the brockport "higher ups".. and that is fine, to each his own.. but when there are boards like these these issues, (coaching changes, players transfering, and the general opinions of fans, coaches or players) are going to be brought about.. facts make the arguement, not the words.. i will follow suit as well in wishing hamline great sucess, as well as brockport.. however this IS a SUNYAC board and SUNYAC issues will be discussed, i would assume.. there have been some good points made on the issue, and i'm sure everyone will move on from it... not much going on basketball wise in these summer months..

on to the season -
who are the top ten players to watch for this year..
guys that can really make a difference on where their teams place in the SUNY..??
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on August 24, 2007, 10:41:38 am
Ten players to watch in my opinion (not in any order)
1) Anthony Williams - Plattsburgh - Reigning Player of the Year
2) Sherod Harris - Brockport - 1st Team All League
3) Brandon Williams - Brockport - 1st Team All League
4) Travis Gorham - Plattsburgh - 2nd Team All League
5) Antawn Miller - Plattsburgh - Explosive offensively and defensively
6) Khylan Hunt - Plattsburgh - Good all around player
7) Scott Morton - Geneseo - 2nd Team All League
8) Foulke-Henderson - New Paltz - 2nd Team All League
9) Nick Perioli - Oswego (if he comes back) - All League several times
10) Damon Brown - Potsdam - Has shown flashes of brillance, needs consistency

Yes...I put 4 Plattsburgh guys on there because they are all good enough to be on the list. Names that just miss this list include Dion Mozelle - Buff St, Mike Lewis - Cortland, Brad Cooper - Fredonia, Tim Reinhardt - Potsdam. Not sure what Morrisville has but I know they have had a ton of talent in the past.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bimbo coles on August 24, 2007, 11:07:16 am
slicky - good picks i like em... i DO like dion mozelle's game ALOT.. i saw him play a few times last year and he plays with much heart.. i also like kitson from geneseo, i believe he was a junior last year and even snaged POW early in the season... lastly downing from oswego, he really came on at the end of the year last year, he and perioli will be a tough backcourt..
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on September 04, 2007, 01:23:05 pm
With school starting, any word on who made it to campus (recruits, transfers) and who didn't come back?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on September 06, 2007, 03:06:05 pm
Williams ,Gorham, Hunt, Miller all return for the two-time defending SUNYAC champions. 



Congrats to Coach Whitmore.
I wish him well .
He wasn't happy at Bport, maybe a change in scenery will help.
Brockport hoops will survive without him. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on September 06, 2007, 03:17:32 pm
Plattsbugh schedule was released today

The begin at the Old Westbury Tip-Off tournament in November

Home vs St Lawrence
away  Morrisville

Dec
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away  Clarkson

Home OSWEGO

Dec 18-19
in California   vs chapman and Occidental colleges

January
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away at Union tournament

away FREDONIA
away BUFFALO

home SUNYIT
home CORTLAND

home GENESEO
home BROCKPORT

away POTSDAM

February
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away ONEONTA
away NEW PALTZ

away Middlebury of VT

home POTSDAM
home NEW PALTZ
home ONEONTA

away CORTLAND
away SUNYIT

25 games    9 home
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on September 19, 2007, 03:22:58 pm
I'm surprised that no one mentioned that SUNYIT is going to the NEAC next year, at least on this board. I think the move makes sense especially since Coach Murphy left last year. The only sport that it has been somewhat respectable is men's basketball.

The past couple of years that have had some fabulous players and have had unprecedented success. In the past they had some quality players such as Keith Glenn and Will Mensah to go along with some of the guys from the past 2 years.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: John McGraw on September 20, 2007, 05:09:57 pm
“With the exception of our SUNY name we share little else with our counterparts in the SUNYAC – from budget and resources, enrollment, sports sponsorship and facilities, we pale by comparison” said Grimmer. “The NEAC consists of institutions very similar to SUNYIT in those categories and, like the SUNYAC, awards automatic bids to the NCAA postseason for conference champions.”

“In the NEAC our student-athletes will be on a level playing field and our teams will have the opportunity to compete for those championships and postseason play.”

-Taken from an article on WKTV's web site regarding SUNYIT going to the NEAC.

Discuss.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Bob Maxwell on September 27, 2007, 01:18:05 pm
Looks like it is a better fit for SUNYIT from a competition stand point... but will be considerably more travel from a budget stand point.  If they can afford it, it is a good move for the student athletes...

I am guessing this is an across the board move for the school... and not just basketball.  Is that correct?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 28, 2007, 09:43:11 pm

I am guessing this is an across the board move for the school... and not just basketball.  Is that correct?
Yes, it is.

On the NEAC message board is the link to the press release (http://php.scripts.psu.edu/dept/iit/hbg/athletics/NEACmembers.pdf).

This really helps the NEAC.  The NEAC's "better" programs are being "cherry-picked" up the pecking order of conferences for numerous reasons.  The NEAC will need some help from new legislation in January 2008 that it has submitted to the NCAA for approval to keep its Pool A bids more easily.

I think that the travel is worth it if the student-athletes have a better chance at a conference championship.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on October 06, 2007, 07:08:58 pm
Coaching help arrived today at Cortland. Tom Spanbauer's new confidante? His bride, Brookley Abbate. Honeymoon plans put on hold to allow the happy couple to plot for upcoming season. We're on the verge, folks. Red Dragons return pretty fair frontcourt, but must shore up guard slots. Look for at least one frosh to break into starting lineup.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on October 06, 2007, 11:49:42 pm
WYN, I read early about your early prediction for Bport for the chase or favorite, im not quite so sure i agree with you, I think you of are will be Bport in the chase this year.  They are returning just about everyone and will be better coached at that point in the season, port wont be fully gelled with the return of harris similarly to last year at that time. 

I also heard Betts is not coming to bport it was just a rumor.  However, I have seen Cantrell Parrish play this summer and he looks like he is going to be much more of a force next year, making bport even more competitive come NCAA tourny time.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on November 01, 2007, 01:19:45 am
SAINT LOUIS - Seniors Anthony Williams and Travis Gorham have been selected Preseason All-Americans by The Sporting News, and their Plattsburgh State men's basketball teammates have been listed as a "possible breakthrough team" by the national publication for the 2007-08 season.

Williams, a 6-1 guard from Brooklyn, N.Y. (Robeson High School/Morgan State), is a second-team choice as the reigning State University of New York Athletic Conference and Eastern College Athletic Conference (Upstate) Player of the Year.  He was a consensus all-region choice by D3hoops.com, ECAC and National Association of Basketball Coaches during his junior season, when he led the SUNYAC with a 21.0 scoring average.  He also had 59 3-pointers, 122 assists and 45 steals.  For his efforts, he was named to the All-America teams by NABC (third team) and Division III Bulletin (honorable mention).

A 6-6 forward out of Bridgeport, Conn. (Bridgeport Central HS/Post University), Gorham is an honorable mention pick after averaging 13.2 points and a SUNYAC-leading 10.5 rebounds per game as a junior.  He also shot 55.0 percent from the field, dished 73 assists and blocked 41 shots.  Gorham was the 2007 SUNYAC Tournament MVP and earned all-conference second team honors.

The Cardinals, who are two-time defending SUNYAC champions and advanced to the second round of the NCAA Division III Tournament, are coming off a season in which they set a school-record for victories with a 21-9 record, including 11-5 in the conference for second place during the regular season. As a "possible breakthrough team", Plattsburgh is essentially ranked in the Preseason Top 30 by TSN.  The squad is scheduled to return 12 players, including four starters.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on November 02, 2007, 11:42:22 pm
PLATTSBURGH, N.Y. - The Plattsburgh State men's basketball team made its national ranking debut in the D3hoops.com Top 25 on Thursday, peaking at No. 16 in the preseason poll of 25 coaches, sports information directors and media members from across the country.  The Cardinals received 161 points. For D3hoops.com Top 25, click here .

In addition, Plattsburgh is rated 13th by Basketball Times (formerly Street and Smith's ) and reigning conference player of the year Anthony Williams has been named to the publication's Preseason All-America Team.

Plattsburgh is the two-time defending champions of the State University of the New York Athletic Conference, qualifying for back-to-back NCAA Division III tournament appearances the last two seasons for the first time in school history.  The Cardinals return four starters among 12 players off last season's squad that set a school record for victories (21-9) and won a NCAA tournament game for the first time in 30 years.

Plattsburgh, which is led by The Sporting News Preseason All-Americans Travis Gorham and Williams, is also ranked in the TSN Preseason Top 30.

"It's great recognition for the school and I'm proud that the national media is taking note of the program's accomplishments the past two seasons," said 2007 SUNYAC Coach of the Year Tom Curle, who is set to begin his fifth season on the Cardinals bench.  "But we have to continue to work hard.  It matters to us where we are at the end of the season."

Brockport State is the only other SUNYAC school noted in the D3hoops.com and Basketball Times rankings, listing at No. 7 (379 points) with one first-place vote and No. 3, respectively.  The Golden Eagles (26-6) won the 2007 conference regular-season title at 14-2, finishing three games ahead of runner-up Plattsburgh (11-5).
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on November 04, 2007, 11:02:09 am
Brockport played a pretty good team from outside Toronto last night and came away with a 99-90 win. Ryerson of toronto went 6'8", 6'10" and 6' 11" across ther front line and Bport started with 4 guards and Brandon Williams. Brockport lead by 1 at the half and pulled away around the 10 min mark. Ryerson cut it to6  a couple of times but bport wore them out. Ryerson reminded me of geneseo alot except much taller, a very disciplined team. It looks like jermaine johnson is in for a good year for the port. He got the start and does all the little things you need to win. He had to have about 12 pts 6 reb and 4 assts, kind of reminds me of a josh pace type of player. Williams had a great game along with poles, wilkes didnt play to well and got in foul trouble. shawn harris didnt really do much but newcomer 6' 6" eamon kayes had a very solid game off the bench. When harris and parish come back after the 5th game it will be interesting to see who comes out of the starting lineup. Not that it really matters everyone will get some run Dunne played about 12 guys even without those 2 last night
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on November 04, 2007, 01:49:51 pm
bsports - do you know if freshman Andy Foote played for B-port last night and if so, how did he look?  Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bports on November 04, 2007, 07:39:00 pm
jacketfan there are 5 frosh on bports roster and i dont believe any of the played. I do remember his name on the roster sheet, what was his deal in HS? scorer or role player?
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Jacketfan2011 on November 04, 2007, 08:38:32 pm
Well, I guess he did a little bit of everything.  Defense mostly but scored when needed, a decent ballhandler.  He was the Class C Co-Player of the Year
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on November 08, 2007, 01:27:50 am
00    Tim Havens           G    5-10   160   Fr.    Brooklyn/Frederick Douglass HS
4   Errol Daniyan    F    6-6     200 Fr.     Coram/Longwood HS
15    Chris Ruiz           G    6-4     180 Fr.    Bronx/St. Agnes HS 
41    Shawn Gutzman    G/F    6-3     195 Jr.    Brooklyn/Grady HS   
50    Josh Bruno           G    6-3     195 Fr.    Ottawa, Ontario/Redeemer Christian   
55    RJ Ponesse          F   6-9           260   Fr.   Wallkill/Wallkill
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: slickyquick on November 08, 2007, 09:01:52 am
Not sure how Gutzman has any eligibility left. I know he played when P-State had Ostrander. He probably took a couple of years off from school. Cards can you explain that to me.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on November 08, 2007, 09:48:49 am
If my memory serves me right, If he went directly to the military, the clock stops and starts again once he enrolls following military service.

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Cards7580 on November 08, 2007, 11:45:40 pm
"...Cards can you explain that to me..."

I will call and ask tomorrow, I recall the name also, but haven't been an active alum until mid-season last year.
Too busy recovering and looking for new work. 
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: EntourageFan85 on November 09, 2007, 01:32:53 pm
Hello this is my first time posting here. I was just wondering after reading the recent posts.  After Brockport and Plattsburgh how do people here see the rest of the conference shaping up.  And for the record if your looking for a voice of a fan of the O-State Red Dragons, I guess I'll be up for that role.  Looking forward to an interesting season.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: EntourageFan85 on November 15, 2007, 04:49:58 pm
These are the SUNYAC teams kicking off this weekend, the start of a season. We shall see how things turn out.
Friday Nov. 16th: Buffalo State  vs D'Youville Coles Classic  Hobart  at Oswego   
 Max Ziel Tournament  Canton  at SUNYIT Wildcat Tip-Off Tournament   New Paltz  and Oneonta at Rochester Invitational Morrisville  vs To Be Announced   
 Hamilton Tip-Off Classic  Potsdam  vs To Be Announced
 North Country Coaches vs. Cancer (at Clarkson)
 Saturday, November 17 
2:00 pm  Plattsburgh  at OId Westbury Tip-Off Tournament
3:00 pm  Geneseo  vs Rensselaer New York University Tournament
4:00 pm  City College of New York  at Cortland  6:00 pm  Fredonia  vs To Be Announced   Penn State-Behrend Tip-Off Tournament Brockport  vs Rowan   
 Lebanon Valley Tournament other games of tournments on the 16th.
 Sunday, November 18 
2:00 pm  St. Joseph's (Vermont)  at Oswego Max Ziel Tournament
3:00 pm  Brockport  vs To Be Announced   Lebanon Valley Tournament
TBA  Fredonia  vs To Be Announced    Penn State-Behrend Tip-Off Tournament
TBA  Geneseo  vs To Be Announced   New York University Tournament
TBA  Plattsburgh  vs To Be Announced  OId Westbury Tip-Off Tournament

On a side note I don't know all the tba but for Oneonta and New Paltz they go against Nazareth and Rochester, wins against either of those teams can send a message to look out for the SUNYAC. With Rochester being number 9 and Nazareth receiving votes.  Personally I want Oneonta to come out 2-0 but as long as its not 0-2 they have a decent start.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 15, 2007, 07:55:38 pm
 
Filling in a few liftoff blanks ......

Friday finds:
Buffalo St. hosting tourney and meeting D'Youville following UT-Dallas vs. Gwynedd Mercy. Finals Saturday. Buffs fell 113-48 to D1 UB (of UConn victim variety) in exhibition

Oswego preset Ziel fest going against Hobart. Barts meet St. Joe's of Vt. on Saturday; Latter vs. Oswegos Sunday. Lakers with 11 returning including N. Perioli

New Paltz and Oneonta at Rochester invite. Openers: NP vs. nat'lly ranked hosts, OSt gets Nazareth

Morrisville in Hamilton meet facing Pitt-Bradford while Hams draw Medgar Evers

Potsdam at Clarkson hosted North Country tourney and faces Ithaca. Clarkson matched against Albany Pharmacy

SUNYIT at home vs. Canton in Wildcat tourney. Utica College-Paul Smith's fills field


Saturday opening settos:
Plattsburgh tests Greensboro in Old Westbury gathering. OW vs. Brooklyn. Pburghers ranked 13th by NCAA/Bball Times, 16th by D3com

Brockport in Lebanon Valley tourney  vs. first round feature vs. Rowan. LV deals with York, NY. Led by new skipper G. Dunne, Port has No. 3 nat'l preseason slot, 7th D3com and plays first semester minus Sherod Harris.

Geneseo in NYU tourney against RPI for 3 p.m. opener. Homestanding Violets go against Framingham

Fredonia at PS-Behrend tourney. Freds-Baldwin Wallace, PS-B vs. Bridgewater. Freds T. Alassan playing pro ball in Germany

Our guys in Cortland debut Saturday afternoon at home vs. CCNY. Corts stay home Tuesday against Elmira before drawing host next Friday in another Rochester tourney. Dragons have their share of tested seniors (Fish, Jankiewicz, Schaller, Sargent) but underclass vets will figure more (6-4 C. Niehoff, 6-6 M. Lewis, 6-6 250 P. Oliver, guard J. Miolan). Interesting newcomers like frosh guard R. Evans from New Hartford and 6-8 260 C. Milke from Macedon.

We're Floridians now and will be interested from afar ..............

Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: with age comes? on November 16, 2007, 01:02:00 am
Tough test for Potsdam with Ithaca.  Ithaca has 2 all league guys back and looks to finally challenge St John Fisher & newcomer Stevens Tech in the Empire 8 plus one.   Good luck Potsdam!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 16, 2007, 11:05:31 pm

   Potsdam takes out Ithaca 93-82, fouling up Bombers with 24x37 to 9x15fting. IC leads most of first half till Bear flourish provides 41-39 halftime edge. Tight second period. IC 8 up at 8:47; tied at 5' and A. Dikes hoop puts Pdam ahead for good. Dikes 18 pts(8x15fg), 11 reb(8off), 4 assts in 31'. D. Brown 21 pts(7x10fg); T. Reinhart 14 pts(5x6fg), Williams 12 pts(5x12fg), Graney 11 pts. IC's S. Burton 26 pts, 7 assts; S. Leahy 23 pts, 7 rebs

   Buffalo St. wallops D'Youville 101-70. In 54-34 hammerlock at half. Fifteen Bengals score. A. White 14 pts(7x13fg), 5 stls in 20'; D. Mozelle 10 pts in 9'. BS 38x82fg, 8x20 3s, 62reb (A. Speed 12 off bench). Bengals with 23 assts

   Oswego licks Hobart 86-74 on 25x55fg, 30x49ft (Bart 6x10ft). Lakers 43-34 at break. K. Reuter 22 pts(6x12fg, 7x8ft); N. Perioli in return goes distance for 19 pts(5x14fg, 1x5 3s, 8x11ft), 10 reb, 4 assts, 4 stls. T. Downing 11x16ft and 15 pts, 5 assts, 3 stls in 35'; M. Jabbi 13 pts, D. White 11 rebs. Oswego 47-38 reb gap, 24 Tvers

    SUNYIT downs Canton 108-93. Holds 50-44 lead at half. Makes 39x87fg, 9x30 3s, 21x30ft with 63reb, 24 assts as Grimmer makes helm return. A. Edwards 15 pts(6x11fg), 9 assts in 38'; D. Golembrowski 24 pts(5x12 3s), 11 reb; D. Moore 23 pts(10x15fg), 10 reb; L-K Miller 14 pts(7x12fg); M. Haynesworth 21 pts(6x14fg) 6 assts, 5 stls

   Oneonta beaten by Nazareth 79-69. Naz by 37-30 at half. Dragons 28x62fg. Reserve R. Stokes 17 pts(7x8fg), 9 rebs in 18'; R. Fisk 11 pts(3x6 3s) in 31'. Naz 28x66fg, 19x24ft to OSt 8x16. C. McAdam 17 pts, 9 assts

    New Paltz falls to Rochester 73-43 and meets Oneonta in Saturday UR tourney consi. NP in 37-24 hole at half. Sees Jackets hit 49% of fg. Hawks soph L. Bertram 16 pts, transfer K. Nelson 15 rebs

     Morrisville tagged with 75-71 loss by Pitt-Bradford
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 16, 2007, 11:13:51 pm

   Oneonta gets Rochester on Saturday night in UR tourney -- preset pairings this year. New Paltz clashes with Nazareth. UR-Nazareth duel Tuesday
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 17, 2007, 10:00:20 am


    Just to finish that thought ......
     Provisional member Morrisville in respectable opening test. Trails P-B 41-37 at intermission and pulls even early in second half. Has 27x69fg connections, 4x22 3s. J. McCants 15 pts(6x7fg), 6 reb; D. Spencer 13 pts, 8 rebs. Mustangs a handful for touted Ithacans in preseason work. IC minus top insider Bostic -- he of IC's ongoing dreamy football season, in fall to Potsdam












Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 17, 2007, 06:04:10 pm

   Cortland debuts with 73-61 handling of CCNY, leading 44-24 at half. Guests within 11 before Dragon Schaller & Miolan treys widen margin

   Geneseo opens with workmanlike 69-56 halting of RPI in tourney play. Knights by 32-23 at half, shoot 27x58fg overall to RPI 19x54. Gens grab 47 boards. Only 5 up at 3:20, J. Kling and J. Howe deliver next six points. Howe 21 pts(10x14fg), 13 reb in 36'; T. Kitson 19 pts, 8 reb; S. Morton 16 pts, 8 assts, 2x4 3s; Kling 11 pts(5x9fg)

    New Paltz tumbles 88-71 to Nazareth. K. Nelson 27 pts, 8 reb in all-tourney play. Naz 42-22 midway through. Outscores Hawks 20-26 to 4x6 at ft line. L. Bertram 14 pts, M. Houser 12 pts, V. Alvarez 10 pts

    Buffalo State beaten 90-82 by Gwynedd-Mercey in BS tourney final. Champs 55-41 at half. Bengals 32x69fg (3x14 3s), 26 trnvrs. D. Mozelle 21 pts(8x17fg), 9 reb, 4pf in 25'. J. Gray 19 pts (7x15fg), 8 assts, 4 stls. G-M 22x42fg in first 20'. Winners with 17 stls

    SUNYIT bows  to Utica College 75-66 in tourney final. UC just 39-38 halftime leader as IT his 13x25fg by intermission. Finishes 22x54fg. M. Haynesworth 21 pts(6x13fg, 3x6 3s); A. Edwards 13 pts (6x9fg), 4 assts, 5 trnvrs. IT leads by six with 10' left.

    In North Country consi Ithaca slams Albany Pharmacy 100-50. S. Burton 22 pts, 6 assts. Potsdam-Clarkson final
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 17, 2007, 08:38:31 pm

   Cortland out fast, dominates till play gets bit shoddy. Unloads at 16x38fg first half clip and winds up 26x64(6x15 3s) plus 15x19ft. In search to replace hot-handed Maggiacomo, M. Lewis 13 pts(5x11fg), 8 reb, 4pf in 22'; C. Niehoff 12 pts(5x9fg, 2x3 3s), 7 reb in 33'; W. Coston 12 pts, 4 assts in 27'. Nine Dragons score. Frosh guard R. Evans impressive in 24'

   Potsdam thrashes crosstowner Clarkson 71-51 to win N.C. tourney. Tight till about 7:30 when Bears widen lead to double figures. Lead never less, 34-19 at half. Pdam 25x58fg, 9x18 3s led by B. Siskavich arcing 5x5 in 24 pt binge. Nabs 7 reb. Most all contribute. Had to with numbers like A. Dike 2 pt(1x4fg), T. Reinhardt 3 pt(1x6fg)

   Morrisville spills Medgar Evers 85-67 in Hamilton consi. Out to 50-34 halfway lead. Shoot at 32x59fg clip. D. Spencer 21 pts(6x12fg, 2x4 3s), 7 reb, 9 assts, 5 stls, 8 trnvrs in 26'; A. Olasokan 13 pts(5x6fg)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 17, 2007, 08:50:23 pm

  Brockport drops 97-93 opener to Rowan in Lebanon Valley tourney semi. Rowan with four regulars returning from 20-6 squad
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: thebear on November 17, 2007, 10:14:24 pm
Was at both games of the NC Tourney. 

IC was without Bostic, but Leahy/Brown both played well, so difference with Bostic may have been incremental.  Burton [no doubt a first rate D-III guard] played 40', and it was obvious last 6 or 7 that the pace and minutes were impacting his shots and T'overs (Burton had 10).  Potsdam has relays of tenacious athletic wings, and that's where the game was decided.  D. Brown, A. Dike, A Williams Jr., D. Taft & B. Graney mean the wings play hard the whole time they're in the game.  They rebounded and ran the floor well at both ends.

Siskavich was hampered with foul trouble vs. IC, but against Clarkson, showed his perimeter game, which at 6'8 is not all that common at the D-III level.  Pickering is a D-III center with an NFL tight end's body, but Siskavich more than held his own.  Clarkson had huge graduation losses and is still sorting through their PG and perimeter rotation.  They don't appear to have much help for Pickering in the post, but two frosh, Marquis and Lasalita appear to have talent and desire.

SUNYAC shaping up to be a beast of a league, 'port & Platty both have top 25 talent, Geneseo has size and veterans, Buff St always has athletes, Cortland always well-coached, Oswego has Perioli & supporting cast, good teams will be left out of the top 8.  Potsdam has 8 veterans, solid PG Xfer in Serge Clement, and 6'11 first year player Greg Lothridge, who has skills and could be a factor down the stretch.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: FisherDynasty on November 17, 2007, 10:42:48 pm
I think the East region as a whole is much better than in recent years.  Empire 8 although probably not having a team to threaten deep in the ncaa has 4-5 candidates to make the ncaa's this year, possibly getting 2 in if they dont beat each other up too much.  Sunyac at the top very very good, and liberty league is descent as well.  UofR considered east region should have an excellent year as well.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 17, 2007, 11:03:17 pm

   Plattsburgh overwhelms Greensboro 92-59 as A. Williams goes for 27 pts (9x15fg, 6x10 3s), 9 assts in 33'. Cards roll  to 46-29 lead at half. Make 34x61fg, 10x18 3s with just 8 trnvrs. A. Miller 20 pts(8x9fg), 4 stls in 30'; C. Ruiz 13 pts in reserve capacity; K. Hunt 10 pts(5x10fg), 8 rebs

  Brockport tumbles despite 25 pts(7x13fg) by M. Wilkes -- all in second half. Eagles trail Rowan 49-38 then, twice come back into contention. S. Harris 15 pts; J. Clarke 14 pts; B. Brooks 11 pts; B. Williams 5 rebs; A. Poles 5 rebs

   Fredonia gunned down 94-76 by D3com 20th Baldwin-Wallace. Soph B. Cooper 29 pts for Devils; R. Buckmon 23 pts; J. Kane 13

   Oneonta victim of 72-53 Rochester raid as latter's R. Dominak nets 24 pts (6x9 3s) in mvp role. OSt down 42-30 at half on UR 17x29fg accuracy. Dragons 11x22fg over same frame but wind up 18x49 to Jackets' 29x58fg. Oneonta 9x16 3s. All tourney R. Fisk 15 pts in loss, M. Grimes 14 pts(5x8fg)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2007, 05:42:19 pm

    Brockport takes consi honors with 85-78 win over host Lebanon Valley. Another big game from M. Wilkes (29 pts, 5 stls, 5 reb). Strikes for 19 pts in 1st half following Sat's all 25 in 2nd half. Makes 8x10fg, 5x7 3s in 39'. Ports 27x46fg(17x26 1st half), 8x14 3s, 18 stls. Eagles 51-33 half and extend to 22 before pair of LV approaches -- closest at 4. J. Clarke 13 pts(5x6fg), all in 1st half, 4 stls. E. Keys 9 pts, 6 reb

    Oswego 84-66 over St. Joe's (Vt) in Lakers tourney final. MVP N. Perioli 22 pts, 4 assts. K. Reuter 27 pts, 18 over 2nd half. T. Downing 5 stls, M. Jabbi 16 pts, 13 reb. SJ's R. Carmo 31 pts, 18 reb

     In motion ...... Fredonia vs. PS-Behrend, Plattsburgh vs. Old Westbury, Geneseo vs. NYU
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2007, 05:49:04 pm

  Actually Fredonia today matched with Bridgewater (Va) in PS-B consi
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 18, 2007, 08:16:50 pm
 
  Plattsburgh captures title 77-65 at host Old Westbury expense. A. Williams mvp with 27 pts(11x23fg). A. Miller 11 pts, 6 reb, 2 stls; T. Gorham 15 pts, 12 reb; K. Hunt 13 pts, 9 reb, 2 blks. Consi: Brooklyn College tops Greensboro 84-77

  Geneseo crowned with dramatic 60-57 victory over host NYU. MVP S. Morton hits 30' trey at buzzer. T. Kitson had knotted tilt :30 earlier. Morton 28 pts(11x19fg); all-tourney J. Howe 10 pts; Kitson 6 pts, 10 reb; J. Kling 9 pts, 9 rebs

   Fredonia falls 60-52 to Bridgewater (Va) in Penn St.-Behrend tourney consi. Devils in 25-20 arrears at half. Foul line difference: 6x7 Freds, 16x28 Bridgies who shoot just 19x49fg, Fred merely 20x59. B. Cooper 18 pts(7x15fg, 2x4 3s) in 39'; K. Gordon 11 reb; W. Davis 10 pts
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: Caz Bombers on November 18, 2007, 11:20:18 pm
Very nice win for Geneseo.  Pretty tough to beat NYU in any sport.
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 20, 2007, 09:21:51 pm

  Cortland at home bumps off Elmira 84-58 though not with some concern. D. Fish 3pter at horn provides 31-28 halftime lead. Six ties in opening half. Red Dragons pull away and seize 18 pt lead with 12:25 left. W. Coston 15 pts(6x11fg), soph M. Lewis 15 pts(6x12fg), 7 reb; fr R. Evans 11 pts(4x7fg, 3x6 3s); soph P. Oliver 7 reb. Corts 33x66fg and 21x31 2nd half. Elmira 21x44fg paced by D. Nelson 16 pts(5x8fg, 3x5 3s)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: jdex on November 20, 2007, 11:22:53 pm

  New Paltz first win a 53-43 decisioning of Old Westbury. Leads 23-14 at half. M. Hauser 22 pts(5x9fg, 5x6 3s); L. Bertram 17 pts(6x11fg), 9 rebs. Rest of Hawks 3x25fg. K. Nelson 0x9fg, 9 reb. OW 16x58fg

   Fredonia shaded 73-71 at home by D'Youville which overcomes 64-49 deficit with 10' left. Devils had dug from 37-29 halftime hole. K. Gordon 16 pts, 11 reb, 5 assts; K. Saunders 15 pts, 5 stls, 4 assts; B. Cooper 12 pts. Freds 26x45fg and 41-30 reb margin. D'Youville 11x16 3s, 23x47fg. C. Walker 23 pts(5x8 3s)
Title: Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
Post by: bearnation on November 22, 2007, 10:52:10 am
SUNYAC, with addition of Morrisville,is once again split between East And West 

West:  Brockport, Buffalo State, Fredonia, Geneseo,Morrisville,Oswego

East: Cortland,New Paltz, Oneonta, Plattsburgh, Potsdam, SUNYIT.

This is the same format when Binghamton, Albany and UB were part of the conference.

Any insight if it will stay this way afte