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Title: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: DIIIBASEBALLFAN on March 09, 2009, 03:04:44 pm
ASC
Texas-Tyler     2.57     
Concordia Texas     5.05    
Mary Hardin-Baylor     5.06    
Texas Lutheran     5.67    
McMurry     6.33    
Louisiana College     6.47    
LeTourneau     6.50      
Mississippi College     7.20    
Ozarks     7.42    
Texas-Dallas     7.55     
East Texas Baptist     7.59     
Howard Payne     7.95    
Hardin-Simmons     8.13     
Schreiner     8.87     
Sul Ross State     9.34     
Title: Re: West Region ERA's
Post by: BigPoppa on March 09, 2009, 03:19:17 pm
ASC 2009
Pitching                     g    era    ip    er 
Texas-Tyler     16    2.57    133.0    38 
Concordia Texas     18    5.05    146.0    82 
Mary Hardin-Baylor     17    5.06    137.0    77 
Texas Lutheran     18    5.67    147.2    93 
McMurry                     14    6.33    118.0    83 
Louisiana College     16    6.47    128.0    92 
LeTourneau     13    6.50    108.0    78 
Mississippi College     15    7.20    115.0    92 
Ozarks                     17    7.42    137.0    113 
Texas-Dallas     17    7.55    143.0    120 
East Texas Baptist     17    7.59    138.2    117 
Howard Payne     17    7.95    128.0    113 
Hardin-Simmons     17    8.13    135.0    122 
Schreiner     17    8.87    136.0    134 
Sul Ross State     19    9.34    158.0    164 

WOW! Tyler is only half the ERA of the rest of the Texas region. Bodes well for their chances this season.
Title: Re: West Region ERA's
Post by: DIIIBASEBALLFAN on March 10, 2009, 01:23:22 am
SCIAC
Pomona 2.51
Redlands 3.64
Cal Lutheran 3.39
Claremont 4.95
Title: Re: West Region ERA's
Post by: DIIIBASEBALLFAN on March 10, 2009, 08:06:45 am
NWC
Puget Sound..  5.19   
Willamette..   5.22   
George Fox..   5.27 
Linfield.....  6.25   
Pacific Lutheran. 7.14 
Pacific (Ore.)..  8.42   
Lewis & Clark...  8.60   
Whitworth.......  9.32   
Whitman......... 11.89

IND
Cal State-East Bay 4.44
Chapman 5.01
Menlo 6.16
UDallas 6.49
Title: Re: West Region ERA's
Post by: Dawgsdad on March 10, 2009, 09:47:15 am
I suspect that UT Tyler's ERA will rise after giving up 16 last night... once the stats refresh. Still impressive nonetheless.
Title: Re: West Region ERA's
Post by: DIIIBASEBALLFAN on March 10, 2009, 12:40:40 pm
Texas-Tyler(14-4)
ERA 3.54
Title: Re: West Region ERA's
Post by: TexasBB on March 20, 2009, 05:06:42 pm
UT Tyler 19-4       ERA 3.50, Opposing BA .249, Fielding % .966
Title: Re: West Region ERA's
Post by: nvnorthpaw on April 11, 2009, 02:17:52 pm
Beautiful day here in Conway for game 2 of the series with Austin College.  Just an interesting note that should not surprise anyone...these are the current SCAC-West standings with corresponding team ERA, FLD %, AVG, and HR hit.  This just goes out to prove pitching and defense DO win championships..

Team              ERA      FLD %     AVG     HR

Millsaps          4.77     .966        .314     40
Trinity             5.70     .957        .320     33
Southwestern 6.44    .943        .298     16
Hendrix           7.30    .958        .285      24
Austin             7.52    .948        .290      18

This is a post I had written earlier today about the same topic within the SCAC board.  Interesting how things turn out isn't it...
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: cawcdad on December 12, 2009, 10:47:24 am
Didn't know where to post this, so I'll put it here. Jim Bowen who coached CSU Stanislaus to two D-III national titles (1976 and 1977) died Thursday at age 66.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on December 24, 2009, 02:54:28 pm
Another great coach but at the DII Level also passed away in November this
year.

Scolinos coached Cal Poly Pomona to three national championships (1976, 1980 and 1983) and retired in 1991 as the winningest coach in Division II history.

http://www.goccaa.org/news/2009/11/10/BSB_1110090920.aspx
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 17, 2010, 10:29:26 pm
SoCal's predicted very heavy rainstorms for the next 8 days will wipe out on field practices and intrasquad games this week.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: BigPoppa on March 19, 2010, 04:01:42 pm
Is Menlo better than advertised? They beat a 15-2 Redlands team and sweep three from a strong Pacific Lutheran team. So hard to get a read on them. They are (by my count, which may or may not be accurate) 7-7 in West Region games (10-8 overall), but they seem to beat some very good teams in the process only to lose to some below average teams.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 14, 2010, 06:14:23 pm
Schools that left/leaving DIII in West

Cal State East Bay played in 2010 DII after being in DIII

In 2011 Menlo and La Sierra moving to NAIA after being in DIII BUT.....

Rumors has it the entire GSAC conference in CA in NAIA will be moving to
DII in the future...where does this leave Menlo and La Sierra.......with nobody in
NAIA in CA if that happens. IF GSAC conference goes all DII this pretty much kills the NAIA on the West Coast.


With Cal State East  Bay and now Menlo that has removed DIII teams that Chapman has played 3 game series against.  Could make it harder to replace 6 lost games to schedule in future plus the games lost in 2010 to SCIAC teams due to SCIAC playing each other 4 times now.

Chapman already plays PT. Loma, and Cal State Marcos NAIA the last few years. Chapman will need to pick up more in region DIII games...Maybe ASC or NWC or SCIAC conference teams play more games with Chapman in the future.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 15, 2010, 12:00:47 pm
ALL REGION TEAMS

WEST REGION TEAM
http://tlubulldogs.com/custompages/tlu_baseball_ics/2010/2010AllRegionTeams.xls
Player of the Year: Kelson Brown-Linfield
Pitcher of the Year: Brian Rauh-Chapman U            
Willamette Mitch Rowan DH
Hardin-Simmons Regan Dixon   C
Chapman   Matt Luzar  1B
Puget Sound Mark Rockey 1B
Sul Ross State Brennyn Smith   2B
CMS Steve Dannaway   3B
Linfield College Kelson Brown   SS
McMurry Jake Mullin   OF
Redlands   Nate Carlson OF
Linfield College Zach Boskovich OF
Pomona Pitzer James Kang UT
Pomona Pitzer David Colvin P
Chapman Brian Rauh P
Texas Lutheran Brad Orosey P
Mississippi Tyler Seaman P

 
WEST REGION GOLD GLOVE TEAM
http://tlubulldogs.com/custompages/tlu_baseball_ics/2010/2010GoldGlove.xls
Chapman   Matt Luzar 1B
Menlo Chris Daily 2B
Texas Lutheran Andrew Femath 2B
La Verne   Jon-Michael Hattabugh 3B
Pacific Brandon Kon   SS
Mississippi College Chase Herrin CF
Redlands   Nate Carlson OF
Chapman   Ryan Hall   OF
Redlands   Jefre Johnson C
Pacific Lutheran Trey Watt P
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: infielddad on June 15, 2010, 01:52:12 pm
How in the heck does Evan Jones of Trinity, TX, not make 1st team All West Region with these numbers?

Evan Jones..........  .480  40-40   148  53  71  14   2  13  67  128  .865  37   6  17   1  .579   6   0   4-6
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on June 15, 2010, 02:21:25 pm
How in the heck does Evan Jones of Trinity, TX, not make 1st team All West Region with these numbers?

Evan Jones..........  .480  40-40   148  53  71  14   2  13  67  128  .865  37   6  17   1  .579   6   0   4-6

Very good observation and question. Taking nothing away from the great seasons for the players listed had.

Every year it always seems that choices with named ALL teams..All Tournament, All Conference, All Region, All American, Gold Gloves etc..It always happens that someone with superior numbers is left off or omitted for what ever reasons.  :(

Since most of teams are chosen by those with very limited chances to see the players actually play, the numbers should be the primary and deciding factor in choosing these teams. The person with the better numbers should get the nod over someone with lesser numbers every time.

It will be very easy to assign points to each category used and to objectively award this based upon performance and not the subjective views of the few which seems their votes override the actual performance numbers. Other personal views should not be considered.

For the most part these end of year honors are nice but it is usually the parents, fans, relatives that care much more than the player.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on July 28, 2010, 11:39:19 am
2011 West Regional

Where will it be

1) Linfield College in McMinnville, Oregon
2) Chapman University in Orange, California
3) McMurry University in Abilene, Texas
4) Concordia-Texas in Austin, Texas
5) Some other place 
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on August 30, 2010, 03:01:18 pm
With school starting now, how does 2011 look for teams in the West ?  ???

Where could the regional be held ?

Who will be the top teams in the West ?

Can Chapman return to Appleton after missing in 2010 ?

Chapman will need to replace 5 seniors, 4 of them starters, all position players.
(OF, 1B, 3B, C). Chapman has 4 of its top 9 hitters returning including 3 players that made the All-Independent team.

Chapman returns 8 of 10 pitchers including all starters including National Collegiate Baseball Writers Association freshman pitcher Brian Rauh its NCAA Division III Pitcher of the Year. If everyone stays healthy they will be very very deep in pitching. The staff were in the top 10 with one the lowest team ERA's in the nation.

Like always Chapman will have top recruits coming in and experienced returning players ready to step right in to fill those open spots.

It will be interesting to see how they bounce back after not going to Appleton for the 1st time in 5 years.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: GridironChris on September 22, 2010, 10:56:04 pm
With school starting now, how does 2011 look for teams in the West ?  ???

Where could the regional be held ?

Who will be the top teams in the West ?

Can Chapman return to Appleton after missing in 2010 ?

Chapman will need to replace 5 seniors, 4 of them starters, all position players.
(OF, 1B, 3B, C)

Chapman returns it's entire pitching staff including 1st team All-American Raul and should be deep pitching wise.

Like always Chapman will have top recruits coming in and experienced returning players ready to step right in to fill those open spots. It will be interesting to see how they bounce back after not going to Appleton for the 1st time in 5 years.

Mississippi College will be loaded again. The lineup, particularly the first 6-7, will be about as good as anyone. They brought in 3-4 huge transfer bats to go with 5-6 solid returners. The pitching staff lost Tyler Seaman, but returns everyone else. And the new crop of pitchers on paper is better than last year group.

You never know how leadership and chemistry will develop, but they have an awful lot to work with. The coaching staff has been in place for four years now, and the program keeps building . Last year's season helped them bring in a group of transfers that look great on paper They are a top 10 preseason team IMO.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: El Hombre on September 24, 2010, 12:46:57 pm
Gridiron Chris -
Nice update on Mississippi College!  It appears they will be very strong again this year.  They has such a great year last year.   It was just a shame that the NCAA would need to force a team like MC to travel all the way to Oregon to play in a regional that was stacked with 6 of the best teams in the entire country.  I think all these teams were nationally ranked.  MC probably would have won any other regional last year has they been allowed to play in a region close to home or at least their same time zone!  The NCAA needs to balance this out. They do it for basketball - why not baseball?
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: GridironChris on September 24, 2010, 10:17:32 pm
Gridiron Chris -
Nice update on Mississippi College!  It appears they will be very strong again this year.  They has such a great year last year.   It was just a shame that the NCAA would need to force a team like MC to travel all the way to Oregon to play in a regional that was stacked with 6 of the best teams in the entire country.  I think all these teams were nationally ranked.  MC probably would have won any other regional last year has they been allowed to play in a region close to home or at least their same time zone!  The NCAA needs to balance this out. They do it for basketball - why not baseball?

I was fortunate to see that regional, and it was loaded top to bottom. It's a shame they can't spread the tournament out more, you could make an argument that every team would have had a shot to win some of the other obvious weaker regionals. In MC's case, it was an impressive performance getting to the championship game, but particularly considering they were playing without their #2 and #3 starting pitchers. Linfield was a great team though, and a great host despite terrible playing conditions. They deserved to win it.

MC will make another run this year. I'm anxious to see some of the new players that everyone's talking about.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on September 25, 2010, 07:41:45 pm
I was also present at that regional...Horrible weather with great teams in the tournament. Any of the teams could have won another regional if they were not all stacked into 1 Regional.

NCAA had the opportunity to move at least 2 of teams to another regional and chose not to. They also could have moved the regional to a better weather area but also chose not to...

Linfield was a great team in 2010 and has a great facility also...BUT weather outside their control due put a damper on the event.

MC should have a great year in 2011 and other teams also will be ready to rebound along with Linfield being a new power in the West...

MC should be placed in the South Regional not the WEST....one of the 2 Texas or more Eastern teams should also be placed into another Regional....

The West Region continues to lose teams with Menlo, Cal State East Bay and La Sierra that have all left.

Doe this mean more teams from other regions could be included in the West Region.

Personally I believe the best teams in the nation should be spread across the 8 regions.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2010, 02:58:44 pm
I was also present at that regional...Horrible weather with great teams in the tournament. Any of the teams could have won another regional if they were not all stacked into 1 Regional.

NCAA had the opportunity to move at least 2 of teams to another regional and chose not to. They also could have moved the regional to a better weather area but also chose not to...

Linfield was a great team in 2010 and has a great facility also...BUT weather outside their control due put a damper on the event.

MC should have a great year in 2011 and other teams also will be ready to rebound along with Linfield being a new power in the West...

MC should be placed in the South Regional not the WEST....one of the 2 Texas or more Eastern teams should also be placed into another Regional....

The West Region continues to lose teams with Menlo, Cal State East Bay and La Sierra that have all left.

Doe this mean more teams from other regions could be included in the West Region.

Personally I believe the best teams in the nation should be spread across the 8 regions.
The NCAA is not likely to reassign another conference into the West Region.

Look at the neighboring regions.  The Midwest is solidly build around the Minnesota/Iowa area.  

There are no more teams to move!

The playoffs are set such that you have to have a bunch of 8-team brackets and a few left over brackets of 6 or 7.  The West is likely to be a 6-team Regional for the near future.  You have to fly the teams somewhere.  There are only 3 Pool A bids and almost always a Pool B.  You have to fly Pool C bids into there.

As a matter of fact, the closest geographical regional had Finalist Illinois Wesleyan in it.  Perhaps Miss College would not have won that regional.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on September 26, 2010, 07:31:56 pm
With the West Region shrinking to 38 teams and SCAC increasing by 1 team in the West Region IMO I believe future West Regionals will look like this

6 teams

ASC - Pool A
NWC - Pool A
SCAC - Pool A
SCIAC - Pool A

That will leave 2 spots to be filled by teams from Pool B(Chapman) or Pool C(ASC, NWC, SCAC,SCIAC)

I think this will benefit the ASC since they will have close to 40% of the teams in the West and they should get at least 2 teams in IMO. This would leave a dogfight for that last spot between Pool B(Chapman) and the remaining Pool C(NWC, SCIAC and SCAC)..Chapman task to get into the playoffs gets more difficult with the shrinking Pool B and the shrinking total  teams in the West and the only remaining Pool B and Independent in the West.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2010, 07:38:04 pm
With the West Region shrinking to 38 teams and SCAC increasing by 1 team in the West Region IMO I believe future West Regionals will look like this

6 teams

ASC - Pool A
NWC - Pool A
SCAC - Pool A
SCIAC - Pool A

That will leave 2 spots to be filled by teams from Pool B(Chapman) or Pool C(ASC, NWC, SCAC,SCIAC)

I think this will benefit the ASC since they will have close to 40% of the teams in the West and they should get at least 2 teams in IMO. This would leave a dogfight for that last spot between Pool B(Chapman) and the remaining Pool C(NWC, SCIAC and SCAC)..Chapman task to get into the playoffs gets more difficult with the shrinking Pool B and the shrinking total  teams in the West and the only remaining Pool B and Independent in the West.
Pool C bids are awarded nationally on rankings generated regionally.

The West is not guaranteed 2 Pool C bids. I think that the quality of play in the West naturally favor the West.

If a SCAC-East team wins the SCAC, then they might sent to a closer regional. Centre to the Mideast?  Oglethorpe to the South Region?

 :)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on September 26, 2010, 08:15:19 pm
As you said Pool B and Pool C will be filled nationally..

ASC, NWC, SCIAC all will be the Pool A's(3)

So the remaining spots must be filled by Pool A, B, C...

If there is 4th Pool A in the West it will come from the SCAC as it has in past years. If not the West will get 2 Pool C bids and maybe 3 if no Pool B

Do you feel that the West would not be filled with West teams from Pool B/C..

Have they ever in recent years ever fill the West with teams from another region.

Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2010, 08:50:23 pm
As you said Pool B and Pool C will be filled nationally..

ASC, NWC, SCIAC all will be the Pool A's(3)

So the remaining spots must be filled by Pool A, B, C...

If there is 4th Pool A in the West it will come from the SCAC as it has in past years. If not the West will get 2 Pool C bids and maybe 3 if no Pool B

Do you feel that the West would not be filled with West teams from Pool B/C..

Have they ever in recent years ever fill the West with teams from another region.
I don't remember a non-West Region team being sent to a West Regional bracket.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on September 26, 2010, 10:35:03 pm
As you said Pool B and Pool C will be filled nationally..

ASC, NWC, SCIAC all will be the Pool A's(3)

So the remaining spots must be filled by Pool A, B, C...

If there is 4th Pool A in the West it will come from the SCAC as it has in past years. If not the West will get 2 Pool C bids and maybe 3 if no Pool B

Do you feel that the West would not be filled with West teams from Pool B/C..

Have they ever in recent years ever fill the West with teams from another region.
I don't remember a non-West Region team being sent to a West Regional bracket.
Thanks Ralph I knew you would know..

Thank makes it simple then
4 teams SCAC, SCIAC, ASC, NWC

Pool B/Pool C fill the last 2 as always from(SCAC, SCIAC, ASC, NWC, IND)...  5 teams competing for 2 spots I bet.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2010, 10:39:49 pm
As you said Pool B and Pool C will be filled nationally..

ASC, NWC, SCIAC all will be the Pool A's(3)

So the remaining spots must be filled by Pool A, B, C...

If there is 4th Pool A in the West it will come from the SCAC as it has in past years. If not the West will get 2 Pool C bids and maybe 3 if no Pool B

Do you feel that the West would not be filled with West teams from Pool B/C..

Have they ever in recent years ever fill the West with teams from another region.
I don't remember a non-West Region team being sent to a West Regional bracket.
Thanks Ralph I knew you would know..

Thank makes it simple then
4 teams SCAC, SCIAC, ASC, NWC

Pool B/Pool C fill the last 2 as always from(SCAC, SCIAC, ASC, NWC, IND)...  5 teams competing for 2 spots I bet.
Linfield got sent to the Central in 2008, and there was a 6-team bracket in Abilene from West Region teams.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on December 28, 2010, 06:22:56 pm
PRESEASON POLL West Region Teams
Rank    TEAM RECORD POINTS
12. Linfield, OR    37-13    227
14. Chapman, CA    31-11    222
15. Mississippi College    39-11    219
17. Pomona-Pitzer, CA    31-11    214
19. Trinity, TX    32-9    209
20. Texas-Tyler    36-12    206
27. Pacific Lutheran, WA    30-10    188
Other Top Teams:
Cal. Lutheran (27-13), Redlands, CA (29-11)
Source: Collegiate Baseball newspaper

It looks like teams with 30 and less wins have a difficult time making the West Region 6 team playoffs unless they win their conference. Pac-Lu, Cal Lu, Redlands missed the playoffs in 2010 and all did not win their conference.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2010, 06:36:15 pm
PRESEASON POLL West Region Teams
Rank    TEAM RECORD POINTS
12. Linfield, OR    37-13    227
14. Chapman, CA    31-11    222
15. Mississippi College    39-11    219
17. Pomona-Pitzer, CA    31-11    214
19. Trinity, TX    32-9    209
20. Texas-Tyler    36-12    206
27. Pacific Lutheran, WA    30-10    188
Other Top Teams:
Cal. Lutheran (27-13), Redlands, CA (29-11)
Source: Collegiate Baseball newspaper

It looks like teams with 30 and less wins have a difficult time making the West Region 6 team playoffs unless they win their conference. Pac-Lu, Cal Lu, Redlands missed the playoffs in 2010 and all did not win their conference.
Please remember that neither the SCIAC nor the NWC has a post-season tourney.

Either one could have hit 30 wins with a post-season tourney run.  PP was only 29-9 in the regular season.

I think that the critical factor for the playoffs and for Top 25's is going better than .750 in the Region.

There is too much balance in the ASC-West for teams to go .750.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on December 28, 2010, 07:01:22 pm
PRESEASON POLL West Region Teams
Rank    TEAM RECORD POINTS
12. Linfield, OR    37-13    227
14. Chapman, CA    31-11    222
15. Mississippi College    39-11    219
17. Pomona-Pitzer, CA    31-11    214
19. Trinity, TX    32-9    209
20. Texas-Tyler    36-12    206
27. Pacific Lutheran, WA    30-10    188
Other Top Teams:
Cal. Lutheran (27-13), Redlands, CA (29-11)
Source: Collegiate Baseball newspaper

It looks like teams with 30 and less wins have a difficult time making the West Region 6 team playoffs unless they win their conference. Pac-Lu, Cal Lu, Redlands missed the playoffs in 2010 and all did not win their conference.
Please remember that neither the SCIAC nor the NWC has a post-season tourney.

Either one could have hit 30 wins with a post-season tourney run.  PP was only 29-9 in the regular season.

I think that the critical factor for the playoffs and for Top 25's is going better than .750 in the Region.

There is too much balance in the ASC-West for teams to go .750.
30 wins is no magic number really. You are right with conference tourneys.

SCIAC, ASC, SCAC, NWC conference winners make up 4 of the 6 teams in the West Regional in recent years. As always that only leaves 2 spots for non conference winners. In the past years 1 of the spots has been taken by Pool B Chapman and the last spot to a West Region Pool C. Even winning 75% of your total games may not get you a bid. So as always IN REGION winning percentage is so important along with the teams SOS, OWP, OOWP. By 2012 it is possible no Pool B teams will be in the West Region if Chapman joins the SCIAC. Teams with 30 wins or more can and have missed the playoffs in recent years...

Texas Lutheran with 32 wins and Pacific Lutheran with 30 wins both stayed home in 2010 playoffs

As we know llinois Wesleyan with a 20-20 record made the playoffs and won the National Championship in 2010
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2010, 07:34:40 pm
PRESEASON POLL West Region Teams
Rank    TEAM RECORD POINTS
12. Linfield, OR    37-13    227
14. Chapman, CA    31-11    222
15. Mississippi College    39-11    219
17. Pomona-Pitzer, CA    31-11    214
19. Trinity, TX    32-9    209
20. Texas-Tyler    36-12    206
27. Pacific Lutheran, WA    30-10    188
Other Top Teams:
Cal. Lutheran (27-13), Redlands, CA (29-11)
Source: Collegiate Baseball newspaper

It looks like teams with 30 and less wins have a difficult time making the West Region 6 team playoffs unless they win their conference. Pac-Lu, Cal Lu, Redlands missed the playoffs in 2010 and all did not win their conference.
Please remember that neither the SCIAC nor the NWC has a post-season tourney.

Either one could have hit 30 wins with a post-season tourney run.  PP was only 29-9 in the regular season.

I think that the critical factor for the playoffs and for Top 25's is going better than .750 in the Region.

There is too much balance in the ASC-West for teams to go .750.
30 wins is no magic number really. You are right with conference tourneys.

SCIAC, ASC, SCAC, NWC conference winners make up 4 of the 6 teams in the West Regional in recent years. As always that only leaves 2 spots for non conference winners. In the past years 1 of the spots has been taken by Pool B Chapman and the last spot to a West Region Pool C. Even winning 75% of your total games may not get you a bid. So as always IN REGION winning percentage is so important along with the teams SOS, OWP, OOWP. By 2012 it is possible no Pool B teams will be in the West Region if Chapman joins the SCIAC. Teams with 30 wins or more can and have missed the playoffs in recent years...

Texas Lutheran with 32 wins and Pacific Lutheran with 30 wins both stayed home in 2010 playoffs

For new readers to the  boards, just because the bracket in the West Region will have 6 seeds next season (betting dollars to donuts), it does not guarantee that all 6 seeds will come from the West Region.  The Selection Committee will seed the brackets after all of the Pool A, B and C bids have been awarded.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: hatbaseball on January 07, 2011, 05:04:36 pm
McMurry website is reporting that the 2011 West Regional baseball tournament will be held at Driggers field in Abilene.  Now it would sure be nice if the host team could have a good season and qualify for the tournament.

http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2011/1/7/BSB_0107114103.aspx
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 07, 2011, 07:14:02 pm
McMurry website is reporting that the 2011 West Regional baseball tournament will be held at Driggers field in Abilene.  Now it would sure be nice if the host team could have a good season and qualify for the tournament.

http://www.mcmurrysports.com/news/2011/1/7/BSB_0107114103.aspx
Some nice pictures of nice facility...
http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/gallery/Driggers_Field/
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: BBFan62 on January 07, 2011, 08:21:33 pm
Crash-
As the father of a pitcher I say bring it on! 400 feet to center - new bats - yessir!
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2011, 10:25:50 pm
Crash-
As the father of a pitcher I say bring it on! 400 feet to center - new bats - yessir!
Good quality Bermuda turf on the infield.

A really nice facility.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 08, 2011, 12:58:44 am
Crash-
As the father of a pitcher I say bring it on! 400 feet to center - new bats - yessir!
Good quality Bermuda turf on the infield.

A really nice facility.
Can be a hitters ball park if wind is blowing. But pitchers will be key in 2011 and with the new bats I dont see anyone hitting out in CF at this field.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 08, 2011, 10:46:25 am
Crash-
As the father of a pitcher I say bring it on! 400 feet to center - new bats - yessir!
Good quality Bermuda turf on the infield.

A really nice facility.
(http://athletics.mcm.edu/images/baseball/2008/1/15/driggers_field.jpg)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2011, 11:10:22 am
Crash-
As the father of a pitcher I say bring it on! 400 feet to center - new bats - yessir!
Good quality Bermuda turf on the infield.

A really nice facility.
Can be a hitters ball park if wind is blowing. But pitchers will be key in 2011 and with the new bats I dont see anyone hitting out in CF at this field.
With the new bats, and deep power alleys, it becomes a good doubles and triples park.

I think that "foot-speed" just became the new offensive premium in college baseball.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: dp643 on January 10, 2011, 09:45:35 am
Just glad the regional will be played on grass in hopefully warmer climate.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2011, 10:47:58 am
Just glad the regional will be played on grass in hopefully warmer climate.
Better be careful there...

Just much warmer do you want Abilene to be in mid-late May?

 :D   ;)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 20, 2011, 05:05:13 pm
D3 Baseball Pre Season Poll West Region Teams
SOURCE: http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2011/week-0

8 Linfield 37-13 416( Returns 4 position starters 5 pitchers)
11 Chapman 31-11 358 (17 players return 5 position starters 9 pitchers from 2010 roster)
15 Mississippi College 39-11 242(Returns 4 position starters 3 key pitchers)
18 Pomona-Pitzer 31-11 200(Returns 7 position starters 4 key pitchers)
22 Texas-Tyler 36-12 140(Returns 6 position starters 2 key pitchers)

Also receiving votes:
Pacific Lutheran
Texas Lutheran

Chapman has on its 2011 schedule #3 Kean, #8 Linfield and #18 Pomona
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2011, 06:41:22 pm
D3 Baseball Pre Season Poll West Region Teams
SOURCE: http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2011/week-0

8 Linfield 37-13 416( Returns 4 position starters 5 pitchers)
11 Chapman 31-11 358 (17 players return 5 position starters 9 pitchers from 2010 roster)
15 Mississippi College 39-11 242(Returns 4 position starters 3 key pitchers)
18 Pomona-Pitzer 31-11 200(Returns 7 position starters 4 key pitchers)
22 Texas-Tyler 36-12 140(Returns 6 position starters 2 key pitchers)

Also receiving votes:
Pacific Lutheran
Texas Lutheran
Mary Hardin Baylor
Chapman has on its 2011 schedule #3 Kean, #8 Linfield and #18 Pomona
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: PP 4 MTaF on January 20, 2011, 07:21:05 pm
Great to see the West Regional going to McMurry.  Beautiful facility, chances of good weather definitely much better than up in Oregon (although I'm pretty sure regional was scheduled for McMurry a few years ago but weather changed the site).  Regardless, great facility and sure to host a battle of the top teams in the west. 
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on January 28, 2011, 10:17:32 am
D3 Baseball Pre Season Poll West Region Teams
SOURCE: http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2011/week-0

8 Linfield 37-13 416( Returns 4 position starters 5 pitchers)
11 Chapman 31-11 358 (17 players return 5 position starters 9 pitchers from 2010 roster)
15 Mississippi College 39-11 242(Returns 4 position starters 3 key pitchers)
18 Pomona-Pitzer 31-11 200(Returns 7 position starters 4 key pitchers)
22 Texas-Tyler 36-12 140(Returns 6 position starters 2 key pitchers)

Also receiving votes:
Pacific Lutheran
Texas Lutheran

Chapman has on its 2011 schedule #3 Kean, #8 Linfield and #18 Pomona

Hurt that you left out #20 Trinity (8 position starters and all key pitchers back)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 28, 2011, 01:43:11 pm
D3 Baseball Pre Season Poll West Region Teams
SOURCE: http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2011/week-0

8 Linfield 37-13 416( Returns 4 position starters 5 pitchers)
11 Chapman 31-11 358 (17 players return 5 position starters 9 pitchers from 2010 roster)
15 Mississippi College 39-11 242(Returns 4 position starters 3 key pitchers)
18 Pomona-Pitzer 31-11 200(Returns 7 position starters 4 key pitchers)
20 Trinity 32-9 (8 position starters and all key pitchers back)
22 Texas-Tyler 36-12 140(Returns 6 position starters 2 key pitchers)

Also receiving votes:
Pacific Lutheran
Texas Lutheran

Chapman has on its 2011 schedule #3 Kean, #8 Linfield and #18 Pomona

Hurt that you left out #20 Trinity (8 position starters and all key pitchers back)
Sorry for the omission. I am over 50 so I will blame age. Trinity could be favored in the West with this many returning players
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on January 28, 2011, 02:36:53 pm
D3 Baseball Pre Season Poll West Region Teams
SOURCE: http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2011/week-0

8 Linfield 37-13 416( Returns 4 position starters 5 pitchers)
11 Chapman 31-11 358 (17 players return 5 position starters 9 pitchers from 2010 roster)
15 Mississippi College 39-11 242(Returns 4 position starters 3 key pitchers)
18 Pomona-Pitzer 31-11 200(Returns 7 position starters 4 key pitchers)
20 Trinity 32-9 (8 position starters and all key pitchers back)
22 Texas-Tyler 36-12 140(Returns 6 position starters 2 key pitchers)

Also receiving votes:
Pacific Lutheran
Texas Lutheran

Chapman has on its 2011 schedule #3 Kean, #8 Linfield and #18 Pomona

Hurt that you left out #20 Trinity (8 position starters and all key pitchers back)
Sorry for the omission. I am over 50 so I will blame age. Trinity could be favored in the West with this many returning players
Just giving you a hard time....TU has never gone to a regional in back to back years.  They dont seem to play well with expectations.  Maybe that changes this year, maybe not.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2011, 10:11:23 pm
D3 Baseball Pre Season Poll West Region Teams
SOURCE: http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2011/week-0

8 Linfield 37-13 416( Returns 4 position starters 5 pitchers)
11 Chapman 31-11 358 (17 players return 5 position starters 9 pitchers from 2010 roster)
15 Mississippi College 39-11 242(Returns 4 position starters 3 key pitchers)
18 Pomona-Pitzer 31-11 200(Returns 7 position starters 4 key pitchers)
20 Trinity 32-9 (8 position starters and all key pitchers back)
22 Texas-Tyler 36-12 140(Returns 6 position starters 2 key pitchers)

Also receiving votes:
Pacific Lutheran
Texas Lutheran

Chapman has on its 2011 schedule #3 Kean, #8 Linfield and #18 Pomona

Hurt that you left out #20 Trinity (8 position starters and all key pitchers back)
Sorry for the omission. I am over 50 so I will blame age. Trinity could be favored in the West with this many returning players
Just giving you a hard time....TU has never gone to a regional in back to back years.  They dont seem to play well with expectations.  Maybe that changes this year, maybe not.
Actually, the Trinity haters have aligned with conspiracy theorists to take the Tigers out of contention by the most nefarious method available. ;)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: BigPoppa on February 04, 2011, 08:44:33 pm
Chapman's Brian Rauh has a no-no through five vs Whittier in Chapman's opener.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: cat_fan_08 on February 04, 2011, 09:30:39 pm
D3 Baseball Pre Season Poll West Region Teams
SOURCE: http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2011/week-0

8 Linfield 37-13 416( Returns 4 position starters 5 pitchers)
11 Chapman 31-11 358 (17 players return 5 position starters 9 pitchers from 2010 roster)
15 Mississippi College 39-11 242(Returns 4 position starters 3 key pitchers)
18 Pomona-Pitzer 31-11 200(Returns 7 position starters 4 key pitchers)
20 Trinity 32-9 (8 position starters and all key pitchers back)
22 Texas-Tyler 36-12 140(Returns 6 position starters 2 key pitchers)

Also receiving votes:
Pacific Lutheran
Texas Lutheran

Chapman has on its 2011 schedule #3 Kean, #8 Linfield and #18 Pomona

Hurt that you left out #20 Trinity (8 position starters and all key pitchers back)
Sorry for the omission. I am over 50 so I will blame age. Trinity could be favored in the West with this many returning players
Just giving you a hard time....TU has never gone to a regional in back to back years.  They dont seem to play well with expectations.  Maybe that changes this year, maybe not.
Actually, the Trinity haters have aligned with conspiracy theorists to take the Tigers out of contention by the most nefarious method available. ;)

I don't buy it that "Teams" don't play well with expectations. With the turn over of new players always coming through teams are never the same and will always have a different mindset.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: BigPoppa on February 04, 2011, 09:52:08 pm
Chapman's Brian Rauh has a no-no through five vs Whittier in Chapman's opener.

Chapman downs Whittier 7-1. Rauh goes 7 innings and exit with 2 BBs and no hits.
http://www.wcpoets.com/sports/bsb/2010-11/releases/20110204qdg5l8 (http://www.wcpoets.com/sports/bsb/2010-11/releases/20110204qdg5l8)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2011, 10:17:56 pm
Baseball?  It looks more like Minnesota than Texas out my window!

Ever seen a Texan try to drive on snow and ice?

Or even worse, some wild man in a big pickup truck with dual rear tires and 4-wheel drive without the fancy snow tires that you use up north.  He is driving 15 MPH faster than the surrounding traffic!
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: BigPoppa on February 04, 2011, 10:21:30 pm
Baseball?  It looks more like Minnesota than Texas out my window!

Ever seen a Texan try to drive on snow and ice?

Or even worse, some wild man in a big pickup truck with dual rear tires and 4-wheel drive without the fancy snow tires that you use up north.  He is driving 15 MPH faster than the surrounding traffic!
Ralph, we just call that Tuesday morning up here. Snow tires?! Those are for people who don't understand how to oversteer out of a power slide.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: BBFan62 on February 04, 2011, 10:30:48 pm
Chapman's Brian Rauh has a no-no through five vs Whittier in Chapman's opener.

Chapman downs Whittier 7-1. Rauh goes 7 innings and exit with 2 BBs and no hits.
http://www.wcpoets.com/sports/bsb/2010-11/releases/20110204qdg5l8 (http://www.wcpoets.com/sports/bsb/2010-11/releases/20110204qdg5l8)

That's great! I'd love to see this kid pitch, but my son plays in the New York region. Hopefully Chapman gets to Appleton, because I'd make the drive to see him, even if my sons team didn't make it. I live near Chicago, so it's only about 3 hours. Great start, Brian!
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 05, 2011, 06:13:08 am
Baseball?  It looks more like Minnesota than Texas out my window!

Ever seen a Texan try to drive on snow and ice?

Or even worse, some wild man in a big pickup truck with dual rear tires and 4-wheel drive without the fancy snow tires that you use up north.  He is driving 15 MPH faster than the surrounding traffic!
Ralph, we just call that Tuesday morning up here. Snow tires?! Those are for people who don't understand how to oversteer out of a power slide.
Baseball in Texas right now... :o ???
(http://www.hoosierdiamond.com/images/baseball-in-snow2.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2313/2213712485_91f7cc55e7.jpg)

Weather forecast for Chapman/Whittier game
Mostly sunny. Warmer. Highs 70 to 75. Light winds.
 (http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/Sunglasses-Smiley.jpg)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Gray Fox on February 05, 2011, 10:00:32 am
Crash,
+k for the humor rather than -k for my jealousy and nostalgia.  :)

Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2011, 10:30:42 am
Crash,
+k for the humor rather than -k for my jealousy and nostalgia.  :)
Yeah, as much as I would like to smite you for jealousy sake, I gotta go +1!

6 blankety-blank inches of snow!!!!

ARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: dahlby on February 05, 2011, 01:04:43 pm
Great day to play two at Hart Park in Orange.......gotta go to the games now.

Hope the weather clears in Texas by the 18th!
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: BigPoppa on February 05, 2011, 07:59:14 pm
WOW! Did Whittier really take a pair form Chapman today? 6-4 and 2-1...
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 05, 2011, 10:34:51 pm
WOW! Did Whittier really take a pair form Chapman today? 6-4 and 2-1...

UGLEEEEEEEEE.. Cant say much more than that. Only hope the team figures out what is wrong. Lost 2 out 3 from Whittier in 2009 and still made to Appleton and next to the last day of the DIII. Keep playing like this and Chapman will be welcome into the SCIAC
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 13, 2011, 09:25:02 am
2011 BEST RECORDS IN THE WEST  ;D
Pomona 7-0  
Louisiana College 6-1
Texas-Tyler 3-0
George Fox 3-0
Linfield 3-0
Trinity TX 3-1

WORST RECORDS IN THE WEST  :'(
Cal Tech 0-5
Mary Hardin-Baylor 0-4
Hendrix 0-3
Pacific 0-3
Whitman 0-3
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: JohnnyU on February 13, 2011, 11:30:31 am
All records for the West....

School   Conf.         Win%
Pomona-Pitzer   SCIAC   7   0   1.000
George Fox   NWC   3   0   1.000
Texas-Tyler   ASC   3   0   1.000
Linfield   NWC   3   0   1.000
Hardin-Simmons   ASC   2   0   1.000
McMurry   ASC   1   0   1.000
Howard Payne   ASC   1   0   1.000
Louisiana College   ASC   6   1   0.857
Texas Lutheran   ASC   3   1   0.750
Redlands   SCIAC   3   2   0.600
Trinity (Texas)   SCAC   2   1   0.667
Texas-Dallas   ASC   2   1   0.667
Sul Ross State   ASC   2   1   0.667
University of the Ozarks   ASC   2   1   0.667
Concordia (Texas)   ASC   3   2   0.600
Whittier   SCIAC   3   2   0.600
Occidental   SCIAC   3   3   0.500
Whitworth   NWC   2   2   0.500
LeTourneau   ASC   2   2   0.500
University of Dallas   IND   1   1   0.500
Mississippi College   ASC   1   1   0.500
Southwestern   SCAC   1   2   0.333
Lewis and Clark   NWC   1   2   0.333
Chapman   IND   1   2   0.333
Pacific Lutheran   NWC   1   2   0.333
La Verne   SCIAC   1   4   0.200
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   SCIAC   1   4   0.200
Cal Lutheran   SCIAC   1   4   0.200
Austin   SCAC   0   1   0.000
Schreiner   ASC   0   2   0.000
Pacific   NWC   0   3   0.000
Hendrix   SCAC   0   3   0.000
Whitman   NWC   0   3   0.000
Mary Hardin-Baylor   ASC   0   4   0.000
Caltech   SCIAC   0   5   0.000
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2011, 01:06:03 pm
Glad to see that the ASC beat Pac Lu twice in Arizona.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 13, 2011, 02:04:48 pm
Nice work Johnny U...This is great to see the week by week breakdown of the best  in the west...as each team progresses to playoff bids....

Pomona will have 25% of its season completed BEFORE some even get game one in on the East Coast...Not sure front ending a schedule is a great thing to do ?

Trinity TX was done a few weeks before playoff time last year and it is hard to stay sharp by not playing games at the end of the season. 

It is also hard for teams in the ASC who play two weekends of conference tourney games at the end of the season to have much left in the gas tank at the regionals.

Linfields playoff bid came down to the last weekend series to clinch their bid. Chapman, Pomona, and Trinity was all really decided before the last weekend before playoff bids were announced
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Tarheel0550 on February 19, 2011, 08:34:32 pm
Glad to see that the ASC beat Pac Lu twice in Arizona.
Ralph ,what happened to PLU in Arizona? PLU is going into season with good returners and got competely waxed a few times out their.Prob. cant wait to get into conference play where Linfield is about their biggest competition.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2011, 08:53:53 pm
Glad to see that the ASC beat Pac Lu twice in Arizona.
Ralph ,what happened to PLU in Arizona? PLU is going into season with good returners and got competely waxed a few times out their.Prob. cant wait to get into conference play where Linfield is about their biggest competition.
I hope that it foretells a stronger ASC.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 20, 2011, 10:39:32 am
MOST WINS IN THE WEST 2/20/2011

Pomona(10-1)
Trinity, TX(8-1)
George Fox(7-0)
Louisiana College(7-2)
Texas Tyler(6-0)
Hardins-Simmons(5-1)
Linfield(5-2)



Pomona(10-1) faces Chapman(4-4) on Friday night 2/25 next.

Expect another Rauh(2-0 2.14) vs Colvin matchup. Last time both gave up alot of runs and had no decisions.
 
 
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: JohnnyU on February 21, 2011, 07:08:12 pm
School   Conf   W   L   Win%                  In-Region Win%
George Fox   NWC   7   0   1.000   0   0      4   0   1.000
Texas-Tyler   ASC   6   0   1.000   0   0      6   0   1.000
Pomona-Pitzer   SCIAC   10   1   0.909   5   1   0.833   10   1   0.909
Trinity (Texas)   SCAC   8   1   0.889   2   0   1.000   8   1   0.889
Hardin-Simmons   ASC   5   1   0.833   0   0      3   1   0.750
Louisiana College   ASC   7   2   0.778   0   0      0   0   
Willamette   NWC   3   1   0.750   0   0      0   0   
Linfield   NWC   5   2   0.714   0   0      4   0   1.000
University of Dallas   IND   5   2   0.714   0   0      4   2   0.667
Texas-Dallas   ASC   4   2   0.667   0   0      2   2   0.500
Redlands   SCIAC   5   3   0.625   4   2   0.667   4   2   0.667
East Texas Baptist   ASC   3   2   0.600   0   0      1   2   0.333
LeTourneau   ASC   4   3   0.571   0   0      2   2   0.500
Chapman   IND   4   4   0.500   0   0      4   4   0.500
Whittier   SCIAC   4   4   0.500   1   2   0.333   3   3   0.500
Texas Lutheran   ASC   4   4   0.500   0   0      3   2   0.600
Occidental   SCIAC   4   4   0.500   0   1   0.000   3   2   0.600
Whitworth   NWC   4   4   0.500   0   0      4   4   0.500
Pacific   NWC   3   3   0.500   0   0      0   3   0.000
Howard Payne   ASC   2   2   0.500   0   0      0   1   0.000
Pacific Lutheran   NWC   4   5   0.444   0   0      1   4   0.200
CMS   SCIAC   3   4   0.429   3   2   0.600   3   2   0.600
Southwestern   SCAC   3   4   0.429   1   2   0.333   3   4   0.429
Cal Lutheran   SCIAC   3   4   0.429   1   0   1.000   2   3   0.400
Concordia (Texas)   ASC   3   4   0.429   0   0      3   4   0.429
Hendrix   SCAC   3   4   0.429   3   2   0.600   3   3   0.500
La Verne   SCIAC   4   6   0.400   1   2   0.333   4   4   0.500
Mississippi College   ASC   2   3   0.400   0   0      1   2   0.333
Puget Sound   NWC   2   3   0.400   0   0      2   3   0.400
 Ozarks   ASC   3   6   0.333   0   0      1   1   0.500
Sul Ross State   ASC   2   5   0.286   0   0      1   5   0.167
Lewis and Clark   NWC   1   4   0.200   0   0      1   3   0.250
McMurry   ASC   1   4   0.200   0   0      0   4   0.000
Mary Hardin-Baylor   ASC   1   5   0.167   0   0      1   4   0.200
Schreiner   ASC   0   6   0.000   0   0      0   6   0.000
Caltech   SCIAC   0   7   0.000   0   5   0.000   0   5   0.000
Whitman   NWC   0   8   0.000   0   0      0   4   0.000
Austin   SCAC   0   6   0.000   0   5   0.000   0   5   0.000
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: ILVBB on February 21, 2011, 08:21:32 pm
Minor correction. Trinity is 8-0 in region; their loss was to Birmingham-Southern (South Region).
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2011, 08:29:58 pm
Minor correction. Trinity is 8-0 in region; their loss was to Birmingham-Southern (South Region).
I believe that BSC is in-region for Trinity as a "conference" game.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: BigPoppa on February 21, 2011, 09:59:01 pm
Does anyone else really wish that Birmingham-Southern was eligible for NCAA post-season this year? I had them as my #1 team in the nation in the pre-season poll and they are not disappointing anyone right now. They are off to a great start.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on February 22, 2011, 12:08:17 pm
Minor correction. Trinity is 8-0 in region; their loss was to Birmingham-Southern (South Region).
I believe that BSC is in-region for Trinity as a "conference" game.
i dont know if they count or not.  They are in the conference, but it was not a conference game.  I wonder if that matters or not.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: JohnnyU on February 22, 2011, 05:54:03 pm
It does. Then it is a non-region game.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on February 22, 2011, 09:17:24 pm
It does. Then it is a non-region game.
It does matter or it does count?
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: JohnnyU on February 28, 2011, 06:51:57 pm
Thru 2/27.

Team   Conf         Win%         Rwin%
Texas-Tyler   ASC   11   0   1.000   9   0   1.000
Trinity (Texas)   SCAC   11   1   0.917   11   0   1.000
George Fox   NWC   9   1   0.900   4   0   1.000
Linfield   NWC   6   3   0.667   4   0   1.000
Pomona-Pitzer   SCIAC   12   2   0.857   12   2   0.857
Redlands   SCIAC   7   3   0.700   6   2   0.750
Texas Lutheran   ASC   7   4   0.636   6   2   0.750
University of Dallas   IND   7   2   0.778   4   2   0.667
Louisiana College   ASC   9   4   0.692   2   1   0.667
Chapman   IND   7   4   0.636   7   4   0.636
La Verne   SCIAC   7   6   0.538   7   4   0.636
Hardin-Simmons   ASC   7   3   0.700   5   3   0.625
Concordia (Texas)   ASC   6   4   0.600   6   4   0.600
Texas-Dallas   ASC   7   3   0.700   4   3   0.571
Pacific   NWC   7   3   0.700   3   3   0.500
Willamette   NWC   5   3   0.625   2   2   0.500
Whitworth   NWC   4   4   0.500   4   4   0.500
Occidental   SCIAC   5   6   0.455   4   4   0.500
LeTourneau   ASC   6   5   0.545   3   4   0.429
Southwestern   SCAC   4   6   0.400   4   6   0.400
Puget Sound   NWC   2   3   0.400   2   3   0.400
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   SCIAC   4   8   0.333   4   6   0.400
Cal Lutheran   SCIAC   4   6   0.400   3   5   0.375
Mary Hardin-Baylor   ASC   3   6   0.333   3   5   0.375
Sul Ross State   ASC   5   6   0.455   3   6   0.333
Mississippi College   ASC   3   5   0.375   2   4   0.333
Whittier   SCIAC   4   7   0.364   3   6   0.333
Hendrix   SCAC   3   7   0.300   3   6   0.333
Pacific Lutheran   NWC   4   5   0.444   1   4   0.200
University of the Ozarks   ASC   3   10   0.231   1   4   0.200
East Texas Baptist   ASC   3   6   0.333   1   5   0.167
McMurry   ASC   2   7   0.222   1   6   0.143
Austin   SCAC   2   8   0.200   1   6   0.143
Lewis and Clark   NWC   1   7   0.125   1   6   0.143
Caltech   SCIAC   1   8   0.111   1   6   0.143
Whitman   NWC   1   10   0.091   1   6   0.143
Howard Payne   ASC   3   5   0.389   0   4   0.000
Schreiner   ASC   0   6   0.000   0   6   0.000
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: BigPoppa on February 28, 2011, 09:32:56 pm
Great work!

... and just like that Chapman is back in the mix.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 28, 2011, 10:13:41 pm
Great work!

... and just like that Chapman is back in the mix.
6 consecutive wins and outscoring opponents 52-12 during these wins helps a littlle if the wish to make the playoffs for the 9th consecutive year and 13 of the last 14 years. Hopefully the adjustments have been made and they continue to play well.
With a smaller Pool B pool, Chapman can not afford any extended losing streak in region or overall.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 01, 2011, 08:42:12 pm
These West Region top 25 teams have in recent years have in the past showed up at the Regional Playoffs. Never seems to be any new teams that show up year after year.  ???

March 1, 2011
D3baseball.com/NCBWA Top 25 Week 1

Through games of Sunday, Feb. 27:
#    School (1st votes)    Rec    Pts    Prev.
1    Heidelberg (18)    0-0    6-7    1
2    Kean (3)                    4-0    577    3
3    UW-Stevens Point (3)    0-0    558    2
4    Shenandoah           7-0    518   7
5    UW-Whitewater   0-0    460   5
6    Johns Hopkins   0-0    433   6
7    Pomona-Pitzer   12-2    419   18
8    Marietta              3-0    415   12
9    Linfield             6-3    402   8
10    St. Thomas   0-0    350   10
11    Texas-Tyler   11-0    342   22
12    Trinity (Texas)   11-1    333   20
13    Illinois Wesleyan (1)    0-0    327    9
14    Mass-Boston   0-0    258   13
15    Tufts      0-0    229   14
16    Cortland State   1-3    216   4
17    Chapman   7-4    207   11
18    St. Scholastica   0-0    206   16
19    Wooster   0-0    190   17
20    Wheaton (Mass.)   0-0    180   19
21    Keystone   0-0    147   21
22    Mary Washington   9-1    103   -
23    Salisbury   3-2    69   23
24    George Fox   9-1    56
25    Christopher Newport   9-1    66   -

Dropped Out: No. 15 Mississippi College, No. 24 Eastern Connecticut, No. 25 Plattsburgh State.

Also receiving votes: Rowan 53, Plattsburgh State 48, Eastern Connecticut 40, Mississippi College 31, Wesley 26, Millsaps 26, UW-Oshkosh 24, North Central (Ill.) 23, St. Joseph's (Maine) 20, St. John Fisher 18, Endicott 18, Penn State-Behrend 16, North Park 15, Carthage 13, Webster 10, Ripon 10, Rose-Hulman 8, Texas Lutheran 7, Augustana 7, Western New England 6, Buena Vista 6, Piedmont 5, Redlands 5, Moravian 4, Huntingdon 3, Hampden-Sydney 2, Thomas More 2, Texas-Dallas 2.

The D3baseball.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly. Full members of NCAA Division III are eligible.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on March 02, 2011, 09:40:55 am
that is a lot of West teams represented....
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 02, 2011, 10:55:47 am
that is a lot of West teams represented....

And the West only gets 6 teams  ??? in the playoffs each year...I believe the West should ship 2 teams to other regions and have a least 8 teams in the playoffs each year. In a perfect world in a 6 team West Regional it would be

SCIAC #1 and #2
NWC #1 and #2
ASC#1
POOL B or Pool C

SCAC#2 and ASC#2 could easily be shipped to another region and both would do well.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Tarheel0550 on March 02, 2011, 11:10:23 am
I wouldnt get so excited about all the west teams represented yet.Baseball in the east hasnt really even started yet especially in the northeast where some of the better D3 teams play.Thats not a knock against any of the west teams.Im just saying the season has not even really gotten started in the east ,so let things get going before celebrating.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on March 02, 2011, 01:02:17 pm
I wouldnt get so excited about all the west teams represented yet.Baseball in the east hasnt really even started yet especially in the northeast where some of the better D3 teams play.Thats not a knock against any of the west teams.Im just saying the season has not even really gotten started in the east ,so let things get going before celebrating.
not celebrating by any means, but there were 7 teams from the west in the final national poll last year.....out of 30 teams.  Almost 25% of the teams in the final poll come from a region when only 6 teams usually get in....doesn't seem right.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Tarheel0550 on March 02, 2011, 02:10:17 pm
I guess I just dont understand why the west teams want to pay so early they only have to play 40 games not a major league schedule.Some of your teams out there will have up to a 2 or 3 week layoff before regionals.Baseball is a warm weather sport and some of your teams have been playing in sub freezing temps ie;pac-lu this past weekend.There is no way this is any fun for the players ,fans or umps for that matter and you cant tell me you play your best baseball when its that cold.Players want to play not practice and there is only so much you can do with practice after season starts,if you cant hit or field a ball by now you wont in the middle of the season.Like I said im not knocking any of the west teams I just think there should be a hard starting date for baseball like there is other sports.Some of the west teams played there first game on the date of the first legal practice date?So how is this possible when coaches can only have so many practices with players until then.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 02, 2011, 02:40:36 pm
I guess I just dont understand why the west teams want to pay so early they only have to play 40 games not a major league schedule.Some of your teams out there will have up to a 2 or 3 week layoff before regionals.Baseball is a warm weather sport and some of your teams have been playing in sub freezing temps ie;pac-lu this past weekend.There is no way this is any fun for the players ,fans or umps for that matter and you cant tell me you play your best baseball when its that cold.Players want to play not practice and there is only so much you can do with practice after season starts,if you cant hit or field a ball by now you wont in the middle of the season.Like I said im not knocking any of the west teams I just think there should be a hard starting date for baseball like there is other sports.Some of the west teams played there first game on the date of the first legal practice date?So how is this possible when coaches can only have so many practices with players until then.
I am ok with a hard start date of March 1st for all teams. But it may mean 4 games per week to get to 40 games. Academically this can be tough. I know at D1 they try to cram all the their games in short period of time with a Hard start date for everyone. This requires 5 games per week and does indeed hurt academically.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: BigPoppa on March 02, 2011, 02:45:18 pm
Strategically, they can get through most of their season with only three starters. In the process, they can develop a 4 and 5  starter to use in the post-season. Cold weather schools can lose a few games while figuring the 4 and 5 guys out which can keep them out of the post-season. Teams in the SOuth and West almost always have one of their top three arms going which is a huge plus. Conversely, you are always facing someone else's top three.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Tarheel0550 on March 02, 2011, 02:51:58 pm
Crash,I understand what you are saying about academics,and education is the most important thing for the student-athlete,but here in the n-east most of the teams are use to playing 4 games or more in a seven day period already.I dont think it would be such a big deal for all teams to do that,and I'm pretty sure the players would rather do it that way.And to Big Poppa thats why we like to hit in the n-east :)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on March 02, 2011, 04:08:17 pm
Crash,I understand what you are saying about academics,and education is the most important thing for the student-athlete,but here in the n-east most of the teams are use to playing 4 games or more in a seven day period already.I dont think it would be such a big deal for all teams to do that,and I'm pretty sure the players would rather do it that way.And to Big Poppa thats why we like to hit in the n-east :)
our conference sets the conf tourney the week before finals start.  They always start the last weekend of april/first of may.  We have to be done by then.  I never understood playing meaningless games after the conf tournament is over....you play to win the conf/regional.  Why play if that isn't a possibility.....
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Tarheel0550 on March 02, 2011, 04:42:10 pm
most conferences out here dont schedule games after conference tourney either but if there is a week between conference and regionals why not play a game or two to keep in game shape if you can?Still no answer from anyone on why play in sub freezing weather?Not alot of fun, these guys are not playing a sport where you can do alot once in the field to stay warm,so I dont think its conducive to good baseball.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 02, 2011, 07:50:54 pm
I see many teams in snow countries play many double headers to get their 40 games. Alternative is 1 on Friday, 2 on Saturday, 1 on Sunday. 4 times a week gets the 40 games into a 10 week window. I would love to see the playoff go to a round robin format with
16 4 team Regionals Round Robin. 8 Site best of 3 Super Regionals. National Championship in 8 team 2 bracket round robin format

Winner of each bracket plays a single game National Championship game

Would eliminate the 2 and BBQ format.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on March 02, 2011, 08:51:05 pm
most conferences out here dont schedule games after conference tourney either but if there is a week between conference and regionals why not play a game or two to keep in game shape if you can?Still no answer from anyone on why play in sub freezing weather?Not alot of fun, these guys are not playing a sport where you can do alot once in the field to stay warm,so I dont think its conducive to good baseball.
Say trinity gets an auto bid. Who are they going to play??? ASC has their tourney going on? There just isn't anyone to play. When it comes to weather, our coldest game so far has been in the 60s. Perfect weather.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: El Hombre on March 02, 2011, 10:36:24 pm
I wouldnt get so excited about all the west teams represented yet.Baseball in the east hasnt really even started yet especially in the northeast where some of the better D3 teams play.Thats not a knock against any of the west teams.Im just saying the season has not even really gotten started in the east ,so let things get going before celebrating.
not celebrating by any means, but there were 7 teams from the west in the final national poll last year.....out of 30 teams.  Almost 25% of the teams in the final poll come from a region when only 6 teams usually get in....doesn't seem right.

TigerFan -
I agree with you.  In fact, the 6 teams in last year's West Region were all ranked in the top 15 in the final national pool.  Yet other regions had no teams in the final rankings.  The NCAA should find a way to place the best teams into various regions, similar to the NCAA basketball tourney with "number 1 seeds" going to different regions.  I think the NCAA uses location and travel time as the reason not to, but then what sense is it for Trinity, Texas-Tyler, and Mississippi College to travel to Oregon via multiple bus trips and plane changes.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2011, 11:22:49 pm
I wouldnt get so excited about all the west teams represented yet.Baseball in the east hasnt really even started yet especially in the northeast where some of the better D3 teams play.Thats not a knock against any of the west teams.Im just saying the season has not even really gotten started in the east ,so let things get going before celebrating.
not celebrating by any means, but there were 7 teams from the west in the final national poll last year.....out of 30 teams.  Almost 25% of the teams in the final poll come from a region when only 6 teams usually get in....doesn't seem right.

TigerFan -
I agree with you.  In fact, the 6 teams in last year's West Region were all ranked in the top 15 in the final national pool.  Yet other regions had no teams in the final rankings.  The NCAA should find a way to place the best teams into various regions, similar to the NCAA basketball tourney with "number 1 seeds" going to different regions.  I think the NCAA uses location and travel time as the reason not to, but then what sense is it for Trinity, Texas-Tyler, and Mississippi College to travel to Oregon via multiple bus trips and plane changes.
Travel costs.  The only region that needs plane flights is the West.

D-3 owes vurtually all of its monies, including the expansion from 3 Pool C baseball bids to the current 15 or so, to the D1 March Madness contract.

The baseball and men's basketball teams are roughly comparable in their distribution of teams.  The same conferences have AQ's with the exception of the UAA, the CUNYAC, and the Empire 8, which do not have the AQ in baseball.  You can look at the challenges for bracketing a men's basketball playoff and baseball and they are about the same.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: ILVBB on March 03, 2011, 12:25:33 am
Crash:

You are a baseball fan (so am I). The only problem is that the NCAA does not have baseball fans. After last season's nightmare in terms of planning and execution by the NCAA at the west regional, I can only assume that they would rather shrink the tournament rather than expand it.

But it is always nice to dream! ;D
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 03, 2011, 01:46:11 am
I wouldnt get so excited about all the west teams represented yet.Baseball in the east hasnt really even started yet especially in the northeast where some of the better D3 teams play.Thats not a knock against any of the west teams.Im just saying the season has not even really gotten started in the east ,so let things get going before celebrating.
not celebrating by any means, but there were 7 teams from the west in the final national poll last year.....out of 30 teams.  Almost 25% of the teams in the final poll come from a region when only 6 teams usually get in....doesn't seem right.

TigerFan -
I agree with you.  In fact, the 6 teams in last year's West Region were all ranked in the top 15 in the final national pool.  Yet other regions had no teams in the final rankings.  The NCAA should find a way to place the best teams into various regions, similar to the NCAA basketball tourney with "number 1 seeds" going to different regions.  I think the NCAA uses location and travel time as the reason not to, but then what sense is it for Trinity, Texas-Tyler, and Mississippi College to travel to Oregon via multiple bus trips and plane changes.
One year they did place a West team in another Regional. That year 2 teams were in Appleton WI winning Regionals

Linfield AND Chapman
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: El Hombre on March 03, 2011, 10:12:14 am
I wouldnt get so excited about all the west teams represented yet.Baseball in the east hasnt really even started yet especially in the northeast where some of the better D3 teams play.Thats not a knock against any of the west teams.Im just saying the season has not even really gotten started in the east ,so let things get going before celebrating.
not celebrating by any means, but there were 7 teams from the west in the final national poll last year.....out of 30 teams.  Almost 25% of the teams in the final poll come from a region when only 6 teams usually get in....doesn't seem right.

TigerFan -
I agree with you.  In fact, the 6 teams in last year's West Region were all ranked in the top 15 in the final national pool.  Yet other regions had no teams in the final rankings.  The NCAA should find a way to place the best teams into various regions, similar to the NCAA basketball tourney with "number 1 seeds" going to different regions.  I think the NCAA uses location and travel time as the reason not to, but then what sense is it for Trinity, Texas-Tyler, and Mississippi College to travel to Oregon via multiple bus trips and plane changes.
Travel costs.  The only region that needs plane flights is the West.

D-3 owes vurtually all of its monies, including the expansion from 3 Pool C baseball bids to the current 15 or so, to the D1 March Madness contract.

The baseball and men's basketball teams are roughly comparable in their distribution of teams.  The same conferences have AQ's with the exception of the UAA, the CUNYAC, and the Empire 8, which do not have the AQ in baseball.  You can look at the challenges for bracketing a men's basketball playoff and baseball and they are about the same.

Are the UAA, CUNYAC, and E8 the only conferences without AQ's?  What about the NECC and UMAC?  Weren't they part of the Pool B teams in the past? 
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: macdade77 on March 03, 2011, 10:19:04 am
Good analysis.... Wooster had 18 days off between the NCAC tourney and the Mid-East Regional. Averaged 13 runs a game in the conference tourney and scored 8 runs in two games at Marietta. It certainly behooves teams to close the gap between the end of the regular season and NCAA tourney play. 4-5 days or a week seems optimum......... pitchers get rested and hitters stay sharp!!
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 03, 2011, 11:25:00 am
I wouldnt get so excited about all the west teams represented yet.Baseball in the east hasnt really even started yet especially in the northeast where some of the better D3 teams play.Thats not a knock against any of the west teams.Im just saying the season has not even really gotten started in the east ,so let things get going before celebrating.
not celebrating by any means, but there were 7 teams from the west in the final national poll last year.....out of 30 teams.  Almost 25% of the teams in the final poll come from a region when only 6 teams usually get in....doesn't seem right.

TigerFan -
I agree with you.  In fact, the 6 teams in last year's West Region were all ranked in the top 15 in the final national pool.  Yet other regions had no teams in the final rankings.  The NCAA should find a way to place the best teams into various regions, similar to the NCAA basketball tourney with "number 1 seeds" going to different regions.  I think the NCAA uses location and travel time as the reason not to, but then what sense is it for Trinity, Texas-Tyler, and Mississippi College to travel to Oregon via multiple bus trips and plane changes.
Travel costs.  The only region that needs plane flights is the West.

D-3 owes vurtually all of its monies, including the expansion from 3 Pool C baseball bids to the current 15 or so, to the D1 March Madness contract.

The baseball and men's basketball teams are roughly comparable in their distribution of teams.  The same conferences have AQ's with the exception of the UAA, the CUNYAC, and the Empire 8, which do not have the AQ in baseball.  You can look at the challenges for bracketing a men's basketball playoff and baseball and they are about the same.

Are the UAA, CUNYAC, and E8 the only conferences without AQ's?  What about the NECC and UMAC?  Weren't they part of the Pool B teams in the past?  
My first guess at Pool B will be 25 27 schools, as 2 3 Pool B bids as, Johnny U suggests.

(I don't think that the access ratio will be 9 of above.)

Central Region:  (3)
Univ. of Chicago(IND)
Nebraska Wesleyan(IND)
Washington U St Louis (UAA)

Mid-Atlantic:  (1)
Lancaster Bible  (IND)

Mideast:  (2)
Case Western Reserve (UAA)
Finlandia(IND)

Midwest:  (0 1)  
North Central U MN (IND)
UMAC goes to Pool A.

New England:  (8  2)
Brandeis (UAA)
U Maine-Presque Isle(IND)

NECC to Pool A
Becker (NECC)
Daniel Webster (NECC)
Elms (NECC)
Lesley New for 2011 (NECC)
Mitchell (NECC)  
Newbury (NECC)
Southern Vermont (NECC)


New York:  (10)
Baruch (CUNYAC)
City College of New York  (CUNYAC)
Ithaca (E8)
John Jay (CUNYAC)
Lehman  (CUNYAC)
Rochester Institute of Technology (E8)
St John Fisher (E8)
College of Staten Island (CUNYAC)
Stevens Tech (E8)
Utica (E8)
St Joseph's (IND)* (Provisional Yr #3)

South:  (6)
Emory (UAA)
Huntingdon (GSAC)
LaGrange (GSAC)
Maryville (GSAC)
Piedmont (GSAC)
Rust(IND)

West:  (4 2)
Chapman(IND)
Univ of Dallas(IND)
Menlo (IND)  Moved to NAIA in 2011
La Sierra(IND) Moved to NAIA in 2011

Man, I love it when a really talented and inquisitive fan can double-check me and find changes, e.g., the new full members for 2011, that I missed.  It means that we are building a corps of strong knowledgeable D3fans who enjoy baseball!  Thanks Johnny U,  +1!


Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Tarheel0550 on March 03, 2011, 12:15:16 pm
most conferences out here dont schedule games after conference tourney either but if there is a week between conference and regionals why not play a game or two to keep in game shape if you can?Still no answer from anyone on why play in sub freezing weather?Not alot of fun, these guys are not playing a sport where you can do alot once in the field to stay warm,so I dont think its conducive to good baseball.
Say trinity gets an auto bid. Who are they going to play??? ASC has their tourney going on? There just isn't anyone to play. When it comes to weather, our coldest game so far has been in the 60s. Perfect weather.
Your weather might have been in the 60s but I know in the N-west it was in the 20s and 30s not baseball weather.College baseball in general does not provide any revenue to the schools and in fact can be a drain on the school if they dont have revenue producing sports like basketball and football.I dont believe there are as many d3 schools out west with the close proximity to other D3 schools as there are in the east also.There are almost no NAIA schools around the east anymore as I think there are more out west ,meaning from say mid west to west.D3 baseball in the east is a much better product than D2 baseball in the east and many schools would compete well at the D1 level.Coach T Sinicki from Binghamton University has said he wouldnt want to play Cortland State in a best of 5 series,after that the pitching depth of the D1 schools would probably make the diff.in a best of 7 series.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on March 03, 2011, 12:20:41 pm
most conferences out here dont schedule games after conference tourney either but if there is a week between conference and regionals why not play a game or two to keep in game shape if you can?Still no answer from anyone on why play in sub freezing weather?Not alot of fun, these guys are not playing a sport where you can do alot once in the field to stay warm,so I dont think its conducive to good baseball.
Say trinity gets an auto bid. Who are they going to play??? ASC has their tourney going on? There just isn't anyone to play. When it comes to weather, our coldest game so far has been in the 60s. Perfect weather.
Your weather might have been in the 60s but I know in the N-west it was in the 20s and 30s not baseball weather.College baseball in general does not provide any revenue to the schools and in fact can be a drain on the school if they dont have revenue producing sports like basketball and football.I dont believe there are as many d3 schools out west with the close proximity to other D3 schools as there are in the east also.There are almost no NAIA schools around the east anymore as I think there are more out west ,meaning from say mid west to west.D3 baseball in the east is a much better product than D2 baseball in the east and many schools would compete well at the D1 level.Coach T Sinicki from Binghamton University has said he wouldnt want to play Cortland State in a best of 5 series,after that the pitching depth of the D1 schools would probably make the diff.in a best of 7 series.
but what does that have to do with anything when it comes to baseball in texas.  you asked about freezing temps and i said we haven't had them here.  we have to finish our season before finals, leaving a 3 week break.  we would love to schedule a school or two to play if we are going to a regional, but who would that be?
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Tarheel0550 on March 03, 2011, 12:37:25 pm
most conferences out here dont schedule games after conference tourney either but if there is a week between conference and regionals why not play a game or two to keep in game shape if you can?Still no answer from anyone on why play in sub freezing weather?Not alot of fun, these guys are not playing a sport where you can do alot once in the field to stay warm,so I dont think its conducive to good baseball.
Say trinity gets an auto bid. Who are they going to play??? ASC has their tourney going on? There just isn't anyone to play. When it comes to weather, our coldest game so far has been in the 60s. Perfect weather.
Your weather might have been in the 60s but I know in the N-west it was in the 20s and 30s not baseball weather.College baseball in general does not provide any revenue to the schools and in fact can be a drain on the school if they dont have revenue producing sports like basketball and football.I dont believe there are as many d3 schools out west with the close proximity to other D3 schools as there are in the east also.There are almost no NAIA schools around the east anymore as I think there are more out west ,meaning from say mid west to west.D3 baseball in the east is a much better product than D2 baseball in the east and many schools would compete well at the D1 level.Coach T Sinicki from Binghamton University has said he wouldnt want to play Cortland State in a best of 5 series,after that the pitching depth of the D1 schools would probably make the diff.in a best of 7 series.
but what does that have to do with anything when it comes to baseball in texas.  you asked about freezing temps and i said we haven't had them here.  we have to finish our season before finals, leaving a 3 week break.  we would love to schedule a school or two to play if we are going to a regional, but who would that be?
I forgot Texas is the only state in the west with baseball,my bad. As far as finishing finals that early it sounds like that is something most of the schools out west and N-West do ,Why?I was also never given an answer on how its possible to be game ready on the first LEGAL day and week of  NCAA practice.I know teams that started playing and was wondering how?Are there different rules for the teams on the left coast?
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 03, 2011, 01:29:16 pm
most conferences out here dont schedule games after conference tourney either but if there is a week between conference and regionals why not play a game or two to keep in game shape if you can?Still no answer from anyone on why play in sub freezing weather?Not alot of fun, these guys are not playing a sport where you can do alot once in the field to stay warm,so I dont think its conducive to good baseball.
Say trinity gets an auto bid. Who are they going to play??? ASC has their tourney going on? There just isn't anyone to play. When it comes to weather, our coldest game so far has been in the 60s. Perfect weather.
Your weather might have been in the 60s but I know in the N-west it was in the 20s and 30s not baseball weather.College baseball in general does not provide any revenue to the schools and in fact can be a drain on the school if they dont have revenue producing sports like basketball and football.I dont believe there are as many d3 schools out west with the close proximity to other D3 schools as there are in the east also.There are almost no NAIA schools around the east anymore as I think there are more out west ,meaning from say mid west to west.D3 baseball in the east is a much better product than D2 baseball in the east and many schools would compete well at the D1 level.Coach T Sinicki from Binghamton University has said he wouldnt want to play Cortland State in a best of 5 series,after that the pitching depth of the D1 schools would probably make the diff.in a best of 7 series.
but what does that have to do with anything when it comes to baseball in texas.  you asked about freezing temps and i said we haven't had them here.  we have to finish our season before finals, leaving a 3 week break.  we would love to schedule a school or two to play if we are going to a regional, but who would that be?
I forgot Texas is the only state in the west with baseball,my bad. As far as finishing finals that early it sounds like that is something most of the schools out west and N-West do ,Why?I was also never given an answer on how its possible to be game ready on the first LEGAL day and week of  NCAA practice.I know teams that started playing and was wondering how?Are there different rules for the teams on the left coast?
One school in the WEST got used to taking finals either at the Hotel Lobby, Dugouts, baseball stands since they were still playing baseball when finals took place. Some had to wait until June to take finals  for a few instructors who will hold out.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 03, 2011, 01:40:44 pm
17.2.2 Preseason Practice. A member institution shall not commence practice sessions in baseball before
the following dates:
(b) Nontraditional Segment. For an institution that conducts its nontraditional segment in the fall, September
7
or the institution’s first day of classes for the fall term, whichever is earlier. For an institution that conducts
its nontraditional segment in the spring, February 1
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: infielddad on March 03, 2011, 01:55:08 pm
Tarheel0550,
You are referring to the DI uniform start date for practice and trying to apply it to D3. It does not apply.  
There is no NCAA uniform start date for D3 baseball, which is why games start at different times regionally  and practices start at different points regionally.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Tarheel0550 on March 03, 2011, 03:14:06 pm
Crash thanks for info I knew there was a date for starting times I just couldnt find it ,and I knew it had something to do with the starting times of classes.This is what I was referring to Infield Dad,not the DI rule which was changed because it gave a distinct advantage to Southern and West coast teams over teams from colder climates.As for taking exams in odd places well?I know some of the New England schools and some SUNYAC schools were done with finals before conference tourney was played.If you lost you went back to dorm packed up and went home.I feel that this is an issue and some type of uniform date should be inacted.Like some of you have said it can be tough to have a 2 or 3 week layoff before regionals,this would only benefit your programs I would think,so why are some of the responders to my question so aghast that I would mention a change?
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: tigerfan_2001 on March 03, 2011, 04:42:28 pm
sorry if my response was poorly worded.  i would love for Trinity to be able to play baseball the weekend before regionals, so the players stayed sharp.  The problem is that our conference forces teams to play their conference tourney before finals, which happen the first of may.  if our conference would let us go later, then it wouldn't be a problem.  with us having to finish early, it makes no sense for us to delay our starting time.  Why cram games in when you have to finish by a certain date?

the SCAC will never move the conf tourney into or past finals because it is an academic conference, they dont want to appear placing athletics over academics.  it sucks, but something TU must deal with when it comes to a regional......
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 03, 2011, 05:25:21 pm
Crash thanks for info I knew there was a date for starting times I just couldnt find it ,and I knew it had something to do with the starting times of classes.This is what I was referring to Infield Dad,not the DI rule which was changed because it gave a distinct advantage to Southern and West coast teams over teams from colder climates.As for taking exams in odd places well?I know some of the New England schools and some SUNYAC schools were done with finals before conference tourney was played.If you lost you went back to dorm packed up and went home.I feel that this is an issue and some type of uniform date should be inacted.Like some of you have said it can be tough to have a 2 or 3 week layoff before regionals,this would only benefit your programs I would think,so why are some of the responders to my question so aghast that I would mention a change?

Uniform dates would be some sanity to the crazy schedules in DIII Baseball.
 
February1 as practice date start,
March 1st as game date start
May 15th ALL Games completed
May 22nd Regional Playoff Games Completed
May 31st Championship Games Completed
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 06, 2011, 11:27:24 pm
Top Teams in the West
SCAC Trinity Texas 15-2
ASC Texas-Tyler 14-0
SCIAC Pomona 13-4
NWC George Fox 11-2
IND UDallas 11-3
IND Chapman 10-4
SCIAC Redlands 10-4



Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: playball on May 04, 2011, 04:12:13 am
Top Teams in the West
SCAC Trinity Texas 15-2
ASC Texas-Tyler 14-0
SCIAC Pomona 13-4
NWC George Fox 11-2
IND UDallas 11-3
IND Chapman 10-4
SCIAC Redlands 10-4

Interesting.  Where did you get these stats?




Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2011, 07:42:17 am
Top Teams in the West
SCAC Trinity Texas 15-2
ASC Texas-Tyler 14-0
SCIAC Pomona 13-4
NWC George Fox 11-2
IND UDallas 11-3
IND Chapman 10-4
SCIAC Redlands 10-4

Interesting.  Where did you get these stats?

These stats are in-region stats from March 6, 2011.   :)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 04, 2011, 08:05:53 am
http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2011/week10
D3baseball.com/NCBWA Top 25, Week 10
Through games of Sunday, May 1

#    School
3     Linfield(29-8) NWC
11   Texas-Tyler(33-6) ASC
14   Chapman(27-10) IND
17   Redlands(28-9) SCIAC   
19   Trinity-Texas(33-11) SCAC
27   Hardin-Simmons(30-12)  ASC

By May 9th we should know who are the top teams in the West and who most likely will be in the West Regional.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2011, 08:58:07 pm
In the rubber match between Chapman and Redlands...

Top of the 10th, 2 outs, Sumbrook doubles to center and then Newman brings him home with a double to left.  Chapman 6, Redlands 5.

Tachibana on the mound for the Panthers in the bottom of the 10th.
Cavender pops to 2b.
Nate Carlson called out swinging.
Saunders pops to 2b


Chapman 6, Redlands 5 (10).  Chapman wins to series 2 games to 1 and outscores Redlands by 2 runs over 28 innings of play.

 
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2011, 09:01:13 pm
My West Region Rankings thru today's action are:

1. Linfield
2. Chapman
3. Redlands
4. Trinity
5. ASC Champion (probably Concordia-Austin)
6. UT-Tyler
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: D O.C. on May 08, 2011, 02:19:20 am
Then I think LINFIELD should host the regionals.   ;D
Come to think of it, women's softball too.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Gig Harbor Cat on May 21, 2011, 10:47:58 am
Go Cats.

Dogpile,  Phone it in  GHC
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on May 21, 2011, 06:09:16 pm
Yep there was a dogpile....Chapman
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on January 25, 2013, 04:02:42 pm
West regional preview out:

http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2013/01/West_preview

It is nice to read some baseball. Most of the west conferences are well covered in this article. The SCAC coverage is a bit skimpy. I do not know if it is because rosters are not updated or if info is hard to find for that conference.

Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 25, 2013, 05:34:02 pm
West regional preview out:

http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2013/01/West_preview

It is nice to read some baseball. Most of the west conferences are well covered in this article. The SCAC coverage is a bit skimpy. I do not know if it is because rosters are not updated or if info is hard to find for that conference.


Chapman returns 9 players from 2012. Only 2 pitchers return from 2012 and 4 starters return on the field.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on January 26, 2013, 11:24:38 am
Trinity returns most of the team and should be even better than last year’s that was one game from Appleton.
The significant losses were  P Klimesh, who’s innings should be replaced by Lucero (who was lost to injury mid-season and had numbers similar to Klimesh) They lost a couple of bull pen pitchers, but have replacements for them already groomed in addition to the freshmen class.

They lost two significant position players, but there are seasoned replacements already developed and ready to take those spots. In addition they return two impact position players from injury, who will be fighting for field time.  The others should have improved over the summer and from maturation.

The program brought in a huge freshmen recruiting class of around 25 players getting ready for the departure of this year’s senior class. I have been told that two freshmen pitchers could be impact players this year and a couple of position players who should get some field time. They have established a JV team to keep the rest of the freshmen developing for next year.

They are literally two deep in every position so there will be heavy competition for playing time, which should make for very competitive team dynamics. I would think that anything less than a trip to Appleton for this team would be a disappointment.

All this means nothing when they take the field so we will see shortly where they are at!

I have not heard anything about the other programs. I would expect Thomas to get Southwestern headed in the right direction very quickly and it will be interesting to see if Dallas can step it up from a solid year last year.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 26, 2013, 12:58:00 pm
I expect in 2013 the SCIAC and the NWC to get 2 bids each to the West Regional with the remaining 2 going to ASC Pool A and SCAC Pool A.

Any guess or news on WHERE the West Regional will be held?

How about Concordia-Texas? Click on picture for larger view
(http://www.concordia.edu/sitefiles/w3/Univservices/Buildings%20old%20campus/Baseball%20field.JPG)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: ILVBB on January 26, 2013, 01:09:04 pm
Crash; that is the old downtown campus field that they "abandoned" several years ago. The good news is the new facility is much nicer.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 26, 2013, 01:42:56 pm
Crash; that is the old downtown campus field that they "abandoned" several years ago. The good news is the new facility is much nicer.
Covered stands, lights, field turf, covered batting cages, nice scoreboard, large dugouts....Looks like one of the nicest facilities in the West Region
Click on link below
Concordia-Texas Field (http://athletics.concordia.edu/photo_gallery.aspx?gallery=71)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on January 26, 2013, 01:50:18 pm
Here is the new field link>

http://athletics.concordia.edu/photo_gallery.aspx?gallery=71

Agree with Crash, there is probably not a better field in the West region, I hope they put in for a bid. There are plenty of hotels and Austin is an easy (and cheap) city to get to and from, plus we would not have pages and pages of comments about the weather in the Northwest.....

Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Whatagame on January 26, 2013, 03:54:21 pm
That is one great looking facility, but you gotta admit, despite the manly weather, you'll be hard-pressed to find a D3 stadium in a more spectacular natural setting than this one....Whitworth in Spokane.  Just like Crash's picture, click on photo to get bigger view.

(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q614/kwada1/Whitworth2_zpsba8a1ba9.jpg)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2013, 05:25:04 pm
I expect in 2013 the SCIAC and the NWC to get 2 bids each to the West Regional with the remaining 2 going to ASC Pool A and SCAC Pool A.

Any guess or news on WHERE the West Regional will be held?

How about Concordia-Texas? Click on picture for larger view
(http://www.concordia.edu/sitefiles/w3/Univservices/Buildings%20old%20campus/Baseball%20field.JPG)
That should be a good location for the West Regional.  Lots of things to do in  Austin.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 26, 2013, 06:12:45 pm
That is one great looking facility, but you gotta admit, despite the manly weather, you'll be hard-pressed to find a D3 stadium in a more spectacular natural setting than this one....Whitworth in Spokane.  Just like Crash's picture, click on photo to get bigger view.

(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q614/kwada1/Whitworth2_zpsba8a1ba9.jpg)
While Whitworth is a beautiful setting around the field. Lack of lights, seating, weather, grass field etc...will not make this place to be considered for hosting a regional. Upgrading the facility like Linfields field would give it a better chance but the weather is just so iffy in the NW to be considered in my opinion.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Jack Parkman on January 26, 2013, 08:22:47 pm
I don't see Whitworth ever hosting a regional due to the cost of flying teams there.  It is insanely expensive to fly into Spokane and the West is a region that will always have 3 or more flights.  On the flip-side, Whitworth is doing a major upgrade to their field and it looks like it is long overdue.

http://www.whitworthpirates.com/sports/bsb/2012-13/releases/Baseball_Renovations

Kudos to the staff and administration at Whitworth for getting these upgrades (that are much needed) done.  This should help them stay out of the gym for practice at the start of the season.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 05, 2013, 11:26:01 am
Great to see that Concordia Tx will do the regional this year. Surprised there have been no comments so far, but as much as I enjoyed the wine country last year in Oregon, (we got REALLY lucky on the weather as it rained for a couple of days following the Regional) and the hotel situation was abysmal.

Austin is a great town, with lots of restaurants, hotels, easy access, reasonable flights, and a fantastic field. Hopefully I will be able to enjoy it in May. I am sure the Concordia folks will put on a great event.

http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2013/01/west-regional

Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 05, 2013, 01:46:49 pm
Great to see that Concordia Tx will do the regional this year. Surprised there have been no comments so far, but as much as I enjoyed the wine country last year in Oregon, (we got REALLY lucky on the weather as it rained for a couple of days following the Regional) and the hotel situation was abysmal.

Austin is a great town, with lots of restaurants, hotels, easy access, reasonable flights, and a fantastic field. Hopefully I will be able to enjoy it in May. I am sure the Concordia folks will put on a great event.

http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2013/01/west-regional

CTX Outstanding choice. Great town, easy to get to and lots of hotels and less rain and cold than Oregon Back in 2010 Several teams had to stay in the Salem OR area a good 40+ minute bus ride one way plus games were played in freezing rain with lots of wind and rain with temps in the low 40's high 30's. Even if it rains in Austin it will at least be warmer
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 06, 2013, 12:27:33 am
Yay a regional I can get to in about 20 minutes :)  Congrats CTX!!

Going to have to check the weekend to see what else might be in Austin at that time.  There are constantly major events in town (mostly revolving around the live music scene) and festivals, all of which drive up the hotel rates here.

Maybe I can rent out a room or two  ;D
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Jack Parkman on February 06, 2013, 11:08:17 am
I think Austin is a great spot for the Regional.  The only negative is playing on turf which is going to be very hot, but it sure beats dodging weather in other places.  I looked up the campus and see that its a little bit int he middle of nowhere but the facility looks pretty nice, especially the covered seating.  Austin should be a fun place for all to go.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 06, 2013, 11:26:26 am
Average temps in Austin this time of year - lows in the mid 60's, highs in the mid 80's, certainly can get into the 90s.

In a typical year May is also the wettest of the year (4+" in an average month), the bulk of which comes from storms that blow up along the last cold fronts to make it through until the fall.  At the same time, we've been in a drought situation for the last 3-4 years which is likely to continue into 2013. 
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: BigPoppa on February 06, 2013, 11:53:41 am
You guys are killing me with the baseball talk... as I look of my classroom window right now, I see nothing but snow coming down sideways today:( We are at least 6 weeks away from even seeing the grass...
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 06, 2013, 12:01:21 pm

Maybe I can rent out a room or two  ;D

If a good cook included....I'm in. (I will bring the cold beer) One alternative is that I can do a mean BBQ if you have a grill!

The new campus is a bit away from downtown, but it is an easy drive on major highways from central hotels about 20mins. There are hotels to the north that are only 5-10 minutes away.

Turf can get hot, but it beats freezing rain.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 06, 2013, 12:06:26 pm
BigPoppa,

I saw some posts of parents/players playing in freezing sleet in some other areas of the country from last weekend and I was thinking how lucky we are in the West. I was at the Chapman/TU games over the weekend and had to put on a hoodie sweatshirt for the evening game.....brrr.

However.....those cold weather teams get it together in time for the regionals and CWS and seem to a pretty darn good job.



Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 06, 2013, 12:28:47 pm
You guys are killing me with the baseball talk... as I look of my classroom window right now, I see nothing but snow coming down sideways today:( We are at least 6 weeks away from even seeing the grass...
In 2010 I saw rain come down sideways in near freezing temperatures while watching team play baseball in the regionals  in late May in the WEST.

Occidental could be 6-0 by the time they play Chapman on February 15th. By March 1st Chapman will have played 11 games.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: BamColt on February 06, 2013, 09:29:20 pm
Concordia's new baseball facility is located in North Austin near the Lake. An absolutely beautiful stadium and campus.
The picture above is the old field downtown that was an incredible stadium as well. Texas would practice there when they were playing on grass to prepare for road games. Good to see Concordia finally hosting a regional, Mike Gardner put in a ton of work to get the old stadium built from basically a city park. Now Tommy Boggs has taken over and has done a very good job so far.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 07, 2013, 02:59:43 am
Concordia's new baseball facility is located in North Austin near the Lake. An absolutely beautiful stadium and campus.
The picture above is the old field downtown that was an incredible stadium as well. Texas would practice there when they were playing on grass to prepare for road games. Good to see Concordia finally hosting a regional, Mike Gardner put in a ton of work to get the old stadium built from basically a city park. Now Tommy Boggs has taken over and has done a very good job so far.

Link to aerial view (http://goo.gl/maps/KN4pu)

Link to CTX site (http://athletics.concordia.edu/news/2013/2/4/BB_0204132240.aspx)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 10, 2013, 11:45:33 pm
Things are starting to fire up out West. It’s early so the first weekend does not mean too much however…..

In the SCIAC, Occidental, Pomona-Pitzer, LaVern and CLU all are off to solids starts. Oxy & P-P both are undefeated. CLU had a solid weekend going 1-1-1 vs #4 (not for long) Whitworth.

I agree with Crash that two teams from the SCIAC will likely be in the West Regional after this weekend.

George Fox probably had the most impressive start going 4-0 with solid wins over CTX, Dallas, LaVern and Redlands. Linfield, PLU, Whitman all showing that the NWC is going to be a dog fight. #4 Whitworth at 1-2-1 has some work to do to get back to last year’s form.

The biggest shock out West has to be CTX starting out 0-6. They are going to host the Regional, but if something doesn't change fast they will not be between the lines and the team may be manning the snack shack. Again it’s early, but the coaches should understandably be concerned.

TLU has also started strong and is showing that it is to be reckoned with in the West this year. Trinity was off and the other SCAC teams have not done anything impressive.

Was very nice to see some baseball firing up again.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 11, 2013, 06:09:14 am
Things are starting to fire up out West. It’s early so the first weekend does not mean too much however…..

In the SCIAC, Occidental, Pomona-Pitzer, LaVern and CLU all are off to solids starts. Oxy & P-P both are undefeated. CLU had a solid weekend going 1-1-1 vs #4 (not for long) Whitworth.

I agree with Crash that two teams from the SCIAC will likely be in the West Regional after this weekend.

George Fox probably had the most impressive start going 4-0 with solid wins over CTX, Dallas, LaVern and Redlands. Linfield, PLU, Whitman all showing that the NWC is going to be a dog fight. #4 Whitworth at 1-2-1 has some work to do to get back to last year’s form.

The biggest shock out West has to be CTX starting out 0-6. They are going to host the Regional, but if something doesn't change fast they will not be between the lines and the team may be manning the snack shack. Again it’s early, but the coaches should understandably be concerned.

TLU has also started strong and is showing that it is to be reckoned with in the West this year. Trinity was off and the other SCAC teams have not done anything impressive.

Was very nice to see some baseball firing up again.
Occidental 6-0  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
CTX 0-6  ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: dp643 on February 11, 2013, 08:32:42 am
The ASC better not be complaining come at large discussion time after the egg they laid against the rest of the west this past weekend. CTX and UT Dallas are now a combined 0-10. Ouch!
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 11, 2013, 12:30:14 pm
Two of CTX's losses were to Lubbock Christian, a school in the NAIA preseason top 20 ... but 0-6 with 12 errors and a team ERA near 6 is not what anyone expected. 
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Whatagame on February 11, 2013, 01:30:02 pm
Yep, solid start for the NWC in Arizona, going 13-3 (3 squads going 3-1, and Fox sweeping)  Beatty for PLU off to a great start on what hopefully will be one of the "feel good" stories of the season, tossing 8 shutout w/12 K's against CTX.  LaVerne looks tough, and was the talk of the weekend after shutting out Linfield, but G. Fox stole the show.

I thought I remembered Whitworth having a slow start last season in CA, and I checked, and they did, including a big blowout loss to Pomona-Pitzer.  Eastern WA has been a foggy, snowy icebox since the New Year, so I'm guessing Whitworth has had limited field time.  No reason to believe they won't be right there at the end of conference play.

I'm really interested to see how the Oxy/Chapman series goes next weekend.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 13, 2013, 06:41:10 am
Best Records in the West 2-13-2013

ASC
Howard Paynes 6-0

NWC
George Fox 4-0
Pugent Sound 3-0


SCAC
Trinity-TX 3-1

SCIAC
Occidental 6-0
Pomona-Pitzer 4-0

What Happen?  ??? ??? ??? ???
Both teams played in West Regional in 2011
Concordia-Texas (0-6)
Chapman(1-4)

Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 13, 2013, 08:58:14 am
Best Records in the West 2-13-2013

ASC
Howard Paynes 6-0

NWC
George Fox 4-0
Pugent Sound 3-0


SCAC
Trinity-TX 3-1

SCIAC
Occidental 6-0
Pomona-Pitzer 4-0

What Happen?  ??? ??? ??? ???
Both teams played in West Regional in 2011
Concordia-Texas (0-6)
Chapman(1-4)

It's still very early in the season. I predict Chapman will take 2 of 3 from Oxy this weekend and that Concordia will finish the ASC at least 3 games ahead of Howard Payne.

6 ASC teams play in the Rudy's Country Store & BBQ Tornado Classic and UT Tyler & Hardin Simmons face each other this weekend. We'll have a little more insight into how the ASC hierarchy might look after this weekend. Also, I believe TLU is also 6-0 in the ASC.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 13, 2013, 09:29:01 am
Best Records in the West 2-13-2013

ASC
Texas Lutheran 6-0
Howard Payne 6-0

NWC
George Fox 4-0
Pugent Sound 3-0


SCAC
Trinity-TX 3-1

SCIAC
Occidental 6-0
Pomona-Pitzer 4-0

What Happen?  ??? ??? ??? ???
Both teams played in West Regional in 2011
Concordia-Texas (0-6)
Chapman(1-4)

It's still very early in the season. I predict Chapman will take 2 of 3 from Oxy this weekend and that Concordia will finish the ASC at least 3 games ahead of Howard Payne.

6 ASC teams play in the Rudy's Country Store & BBQ Tornado Classic and UT Tyler & Hardin Simmons face each other this weekend. We'll have a little more insight into how the ASC hierarchy might look after this weekend. Also, I believe TLU is also 6-0 in the ASC.

JSG
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 15, 2013, 11:28:01 pm
CTX got off the schneid by dealing TLU its first loss Thursday, 8-7, and defeated Sul Ross (1-6) today, 4-1 
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 16, 2013, 04:55:31 am
Chapman got its first ever win in the SCIAC conference game with a 3-2 win over Occidental College on Friday. Great defense, great pitching and timely hitting help Chapman get the win. Chapman plays a double header on Saturday at home vs Occidental.

http://www.d3baseball.com/seasons/2013/contrib/20130215lebc0e

http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2012-13/boxscores/20130215_87oj.xml
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 17, 2013, 12:18:09 am
Top Teams in the West

SCIAC Pomona 7-0
SCAC Trinity TX 5-1
ASC  Texas Lutheran 7-2
NWC George Fox 5-2

Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 17, 2013, 09:41:38 pm
I would say that Pomona and TLU are off to solid starts. Too early to really tell on the rest since many have played so few games. I did a quick look and George Fox is 5-3 now. Linfield is 3-1, with PLU and Whitman at 4-2. Oxy is now 7-2 after dropping 2 of 3 to Chapman, so even though they have a good record I think they have played some cup cakes.

Trinity beat up a NAIA team on Sat, that frankly was not very good so there is not much to draw from this other than they crushed a team they should have. In reality they are only 3-1 vs D3 teams. Frankly their schedule looks pretty weak so they better win a ton of games IMO since their SOS will likely be low.

Concordia looks like they have things going in the right direction.

I have not looked at the match ups for next week yet.

Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 18, 2013, 12:09:49 pm
TOP TEAMS IN WEST 2-18-2013

ASC - Texas Lutheran 7-2 Ozarks 5-2 Texas Tyler 4-2
NWC - George Fox 5-3  Pacific Lutheran 4-2   Whitman 4-2   
SCAC - Trinity TX 5-1
SCIAC - Pomona 7-0  Occidental 7-2   La Verne 5-2
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Westside on February 18, 2013, 07:30:03 pm
Not to be a nitpicker or anything... but, depending on your definition of "top teams", Linfield has the highest win % in the NWC!  :-* And I believe they are the team to beat in that league this year.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Richard Hamstocks on February 18, 2013, 07:55:43 pm
Not to be a nitpicker or anything... but, depending on your definition of "top teams", Linfield has the highest win % in the NWC!  :-* And I believe they are the team to beat in that league this year.
actually, regardless of his definition of "top team", Linfield has the highest winning percentage in the NWC!
Looks like he might be going total wins, as its at least fairly clear that oxy isn't a team to beat in the sciac.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 18, 2013, 08:09:58 pm
In fairness to Crash his list changes as games get filled in at the cream comes to the top. I mentioned Linfield in my post that got rolled over. I suspect that Oxy is not long for this list, but hey they can enjoy the spotlight for now.

Of course you are free to make up your own top teams in the West list, and we can throw rocks at it.  ;D

Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Whatagame on February 18, 2013, 08:59:23 pm
I'll take an early swing at the top teams in SCIAC/NWC at least:

SCIAC:   Pomona-Pitzer, their pitching stats are really strong thus far.
             La Verne - some quality early wins.  Some good team speed.
             CLU - Slugged it out with G. Fox, taking 2 out of 3


NWC:     Pac LU, Tough pitching.
             Linfield
             Whitworth - Off to slowish start, still shaking off Spokane snow, should hit stride soon
             G. Fox - Lots of offense, pitching giving up lots of runs

I've never seen them play, but Trinity U. on paper seems to have one of the strongest combinations in the West of strong pitching and a powerful offense (high averages + lots of extra base hits/power)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Colorado on February 18, 2013, 09:48:18 pm
You could be right on Linfield. Maybe them and Pac Lu as a 1 and 1A for now. Pac Lu has beaten the teams it should but I was surprised that GF lost to the 2 SCIAC teams (Cal Lu and especially Whittier). Whitworth lost to a strong Pomona squad but also had a loss and tie to a not so strong Claremont team.

Made me re-think where teams might fit now in the SCIAC constellation which I would list as follows: (1) Pomona Pitzer  (2) La Verne and (3) Cal Lu in the top tier;  with  (4) Chapman (5) Whittier (6) Redlands or Oxy in the 2d tier.   If Chapman's pitching didn't have those question marks, I'd move them up. Even with some of the errors they've made so far, they are dramatically better defensively than the last 2 years. Its obvious they recruited with defense in mind (catcher, 3B and SS). Despite the bad start, the line up looks stronger in the middle than last year. Clean up hitter Battaglia is the real deal. Add Gandy, Saatzer and Dillon to the mix and if Surnie can get untracked..then maybe....

Last year's pop-gun offense couldn't string enough hits to score anything and the errors always came at a bad time. I don't know where this fits but Linfield fans might recall a series last April when Rauh, McGee and Osaki threw 3 consecutive complete games at Linfield, struck out a combined 36 and gave up a total of 3 runs (2 ER) and all Chapman got was a 4-game split. That was the whole season in a nutshell.

Of this year's staff, the freshman SP Riddle bears watching. Eddie (Edwards the PC) looks for things in a wind up to tweak so as to get rid of inefficiencies (glove, shoulder, leg, hips and driving forward). In HS, Rauh didn't throw that hard and had a big rainbow curve but when i saw him later at Chapman in 2010, he looked like a different pitcher (mechanics-wise). Not just Rauh (who got it right away) but apparently most of the all time greats at Chapman seem to add about 5-7 mph to their FB from when they start as they grow into their bodies, weight lift and follow Eddie's gospel.  Edwards is one of the real keys to Chapman's success over the last decade. Riddle so far has shown good command and location with a ball that moves a little. I'd like to see where he is next year when McGee and Osaki come back from their med redshirt years because he looks like a ROY this year. The Junior RP Watson did well last weekend as the closer. There's another freshmen SP Smith who looked nervous in his first 2 games but last game, they took the pressure off of him by putting him in long relief and he did well before tiring.  Everybody else? The jury I'm afraid is still out...

Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 18, 2013, 11:20:43 pm
Welcome Colorado, great to get some more insight and comments on the West board.

I like the Chapman team, they are just young. Not sure if they will develop quick enough to be a real contender this year, but they will continue to get better. I saw the TU/Chapman games and they put on a nice show during BP and then got mowed down by the front line TU pitching, but hitting is timing and if they get the timing down as the season progresses then they will be dangerous offensively. They did hit in the final game, but that was against a bunch of freshmen pitchers after Fink went down, but they hit, so it is there.  Their pitching will just get better based on experience, and defensively they were solid and make some great plays.

I would expect the Northwest teams to start slower than the Southern teams so a few games with some inconsistencies are to be expected.

As far as ASC and SCAC teams. Centenary is solid but ineligible for post season play, and there is no one else in the SCAC that looks very strong, (other than Trinity). TLU looks good and I am sure Concordia or one of the other ASC teams will get it together and be a contender.  Too early to know who yet.

Trinity is the real deal, they can hit have some speed and are deep pitching.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 18, 2013, 11:28:20 pm
Chapman's key to 2013 may be hitting/scoring runs in the SCIAC. They must score runs with the young pitching staff to win games. Currently a team BA of .233, OBA of .316 and slg % .271 will not win alot of games in the SCIAC.
http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2012-13/teams/chapman

Last year the top 2 teams La Verne and Pomona-Pitzer were the top 2 hitting teams in the SCIAC.
http://www.thesciac.org/sports/bsb/2011-12/stats/lgsumm.htm
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 19, 2013, 08:26:03 pm
Trinity beat MHB 12-6 in extra innings. (10) MHB was up most of the game and Trinity came back to tie it in the top of the 9th. The wheels came off for MHB in the top of the 10th, giving up two unearned runs and then the flood gates opened.

Lucero gave up 3 runs and did not have his best stuff. Bentz pitched 3.2 innings and I think will get the win.

Box
TU - 12-12-3
MHB- 6-11-5

I just picked up part of the game on the video feed and liked how MHB looked. I think their new coach is doing good things there. TU offense carried them, but their sloppy play continues. They will have to be tighter defensively later in the season to compete with the top teams IMO. Good come from behind win for them however. 



Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: dp643 on February 19, 2013, 08:32:02 pm
5 errors and 9 walks for UMHB. Clean that up and they showed they can hang with the big boys. I am glad to see they hit Lucero, Barron, and Bentz. I have come to expect to see Trinity's best pitchers every time UMHB faces them in a midweek game. Arguably could be the toughest 3some they will face in any one game.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 20, 2013, 12:48:51 pm
I agree with you DP, I thought MHB looked very competitive and had TU down 6-3 through 7. Overall however it was a sloppy game, I took a look at the box this morning and there were 5 ER's on each side, 5 errors by MHB and 3 by TU. TU left 14 runners on base, and MHB gave the game away at the end after playing a pretty good one through 7. Although it may be hard for them to swallow they should take away from this that they can compete with anyone if they play clean baseball.

I am sure Barron was in just to try to settle things down after a tough outing for Lurcero, which looked like a mid week bull pen for him. Bentz needed to get some mound time as he has not been used much so far as the coaches have been looking at some of the freshmen early in the season. He settled the game down for TU from a pitching standpoint and only gave up one run. Since TU's conference schedule looks so weak they may save some of the front line pitching for some of the more competitive mid week games.

TU has a lot of pop in their line up and if you make mistakes they will make you pay, you just can not extend innings against them, which MHB found out.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 20, 2013, 03:45:24 pm
I agree with you DP, I thought MHB looked very competitive and had TU down 6-3 through 7. Overall however it was a sloppy game, I took a look at the box this morning and there were 5 ER's on each side, 5 errors by MHB and 3 by TU. TU left 14 runners on base, and MHB gave the game away at the end after playing a pretty good one through 7. Although it may be hard for them to swallow they should take away from this that they can compete with anyone if they play clean baseball.

I am sure Barron was in just to try to settle things down after a tough outing for Lurcero, which looked like a mid week bull pen for him. Bentz needed to get some mound time as he has not been used much so far as the coaches have been looking at some of the freshmen early in the season. He settled the game down for TU from a pitching standpoint and only gave up one run. Since TU's conference schedule looks so weak they may save some of the front line pitching for some of the more competitive mid week games.

TU has a lot of pop in their line up and if you make mistakes they will make you pay, you just can not extend innings against them, which MHB found out.
Lot of Errors will not get a team to Appleton...Look at a team like St. Thomas..Great Pitching and Great Defense last year. This combination gets team many trips to Appleton. If you can't pitch or you can play defense you will not win the big games. Last year Chapman lead  the SCIAC in Team ERA but was only better than Cal Tech in Team Defense.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: dp643 on February 20, 2013, 04:07:46 pm
I agree Crash. I think errors with this team will clean up quicker than the walks. Im concerned with the walks. 5 games and 37 walks won't yield too many wins. I dont expect this UMHB in Appleton, but I am encouraged by their ability to knock around a few outstanding pitchers. They doubled the number of hits Barron and Lucero had given up in the previous 2 games.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Just_Some_Guy on February 21, 2013, 08:59:19 am
Since TU's conference schedule looks so weak they may save some of the front line pitching for some of the more competitive mid week games.

I'd say this has been a pretty solid theme for the last 8+ years.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 21, 2013, 01:12:40 pm
I think the loss of BSC, Millsaps, Hendrix certainly hurts their SOS from years past. I would say that this years schedule looks less competitive than in years past. This becomes even more evident when looking at the conference tournament, not playing the top teams from the eastern conference really weakens their schedule. Centenary is a very competitive team, but is not eligible to move on to Regional play, but the rest of the conference looks weak compared to years past.

I think they should go to the Arizona tournament given their situation, but of course no one at TU cares what I think.  ;)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 21, 2013, 01:41:21 pm
I think the loss of BSC, Millsaps, Hendrix certainly hurts their SOS from years past. I would say that this years schedule looks less competitive than in years past. This becomes even more evident when looking at the conference tournament, not playing the top teams from the eastern conference really weakens their schedule. Centenary is a very competitive team, but is not eligible to move on to Regional play, but the rest of the conference looks weak compared to years past.

I think they should go to the Arizona tournament given their situation, but of course no one at TU cares what I think.  ;)
SOS has really not much impact if you win your conference Pool A bid. Yes it does impact seeding for the Regional playoffs but I remember a #6 seed win the West Regional a few years back.  Win your Conference Pool A bid which Trinity has done many times over the past few years.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2013, 09:45:17 pm
I really don't see much difference in #1 and #6 in this regional.  Does having last bat in 1 or 2 games make a difference?  If so, how much?
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 21, 2013, 11:15:38 pm
Excellent point Ralph.

My point on SOS is not necessarily seeding, but preparing a team to be able to have the mental fortitude and experience to win close games, like you will see in the Regionals.  Tough schedules make tough teams, tough teams can come through loosing brackets or come back after getting down, they know how to play comfortably in a tight games. If you have a bunch of blow out wins then you don't develop this Character. I think Character means a lot come Regionals. JMO. 
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 22, 2013, 12:33:53 am
I really don't see much difference in #1 and #6 in this regional.  Does having last bat in 1 or 2 games make a difference?  If so, how much?

Having the last at bat made a difference in the regional playoff game.

http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2007-08/stats/mcm-cu4.htm
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Richard Hamstocks on February 22, 2013, 08:48:24 am
I really don't see much difference in #1 and #6 in this regional.  Does having last bat in 1 or 2 games make a difference?  If so, how much?
The answer seems to be not much, likely none, and it might actually be a disadvantage. http://w4.stern.nyu.edu/emplibrary/Lastlicks.pdf
This study looked at division I playoff games for both baseball and softball, which allowed them to remove other homefield advantages of non-travel and fan presence.  They found no effect in baseball of batting last and the effect in softball was that batting last was actually a disadvantage.
The idea that you can strategize offensively in the last inning knowing how many runs you need seems to be negated by the fact that the visitor can strategize defensively knowing how many runs they can allow.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Richard Hamstocks on February 22, 2013, 09:39:33 am
I really don't see much difference in #1 and #6 in this regional.  Does having last bat in 1 or 2 games make a difference?  If so, how much?

Having the last at bat made a difference in the regional playoff game.

http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2007-08/stats/mcm-cu4.htm
Could you be more specific? Chapman didn't seem to use the knowledge that only 1 run would be sufficient in that the hit a 2 run bomb after the first guy reached with 2 outs.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 24, 2013, 08:22:54 pm
TOP TEAMS IN THE WEST 2-24-2013

SCIAC - Pomona-Pitzer(8-2) Cal Lutheran(5-3-1)
SCAC - Centenary(8-2) Trinity(8-2)
ASC - LeTourneau(6-1) Texas-Tyler(7-3)
NWC Linfield(7-1) Pacific Lutheran(7-3)

Corrected
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Whatagame on February 24, 2013, 08:29:32 pm
TOP TEAMS IN THE WEST 2-24-2013

SCIAC - Pomona-Pitzer(8-2) Cal Lutheran(5-3-1)
SCAC - Centenary(8-2) Trinity(8-2)
ASC - LeTourneau(6-1) Texas-Tyler(7-3)
NWC Linfield(7-3) Pacific Lutheran(7-3)

Linfield is 7 - 1, and given their victory this weekend against Beatty/PLU, they look to be the top team in the West at this early point.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 24, 2013, 08:51:02 pm
TOP TEAMS IN THE WEST 2-24-2013

SCIAC - Pomona-Pitzer(8-2) Cal Lutheran(5-3-1)
SCAC - Centenary(8-2) Trinity(8-2)
ASC - LeTourneau(6-1) Texas-Tyler(7-3)
NWC Linfield(7-1) Pacific Lutheran(7-3)

Corrected
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Patriotfan87 on February 25, 2013, 05:15:13 am
5 errors and 9 walks for UMHB. Clean that up and they showed they can hang with the big boys. I am glad to see they hit Lucero, Barron, and Bentz. I have come to expect to see Trinity's best pitchers every time UMHB faces them in a midweek game. Arguably could be the toughest 3some they will face in any one game.
UT Tyler's pitching quieted their bats a little this weekend. If the Patriots can figure out how to hit, with the starting rotation they have, they will be a force to be reckoned with.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: wildcat11 on February 25, 2013, 12:26:07 pm
Linfield is 7 - 1, and given their victory this weekend against Beatty/PLU, they look to be the top team in the West at this early point.

Very strong start of the season and have a monster series this weekend with Pacific.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: LongBallGone on February 25, 2013, 01:39:02 pm
My thoughts on the top teams in the West (not based solely on their record):

SCAC-
*Trinity (8-2) - Strong lineup with power and quality arms at the front end of their rotation (my top team despite loss to Austin)
*Centenary (8-2) - Probably the only team in the conference capable of stealing a series from Trinity

ASC
*UT Tyler (7-3) - Strong pitching thus far, excited to see how they fare next weekend against Whitworth
*Letourneau (6-1) -
*Concordia (7-7) - Started off rocky, but won 7 of their last 8. Good hitting team but depth on the mound doesn't appear to be the same as in years past.

SCIAC (deepest conference IMO)
*Pomona-Pitzer (8-2) - Hot start as they swept a pair of NWC teams before losing big series against Cal Lu.
*Cal Lutheran (5-3-1) - Has fared well against a tough schedule thus far, not getting easier as they visit Chapman this weekend

NWC (not far behind the SCIAC for toughest conference)
*Linfield (7-1) - 7 straight wins, .338 team avg., team ERA of 1.01. Pretty impressive I'd say. Them and Trinity appear to be fighting for #1 so far
*Pacific Lutheran (7-3) - Strong front end rotation, but offensive production is the real question
*George Fox (7-4) - Bats have had a lot of spark in the early going, but pitching and defense has been lackluster
*Whitworth (4-3-1) - Struggled the first weekend in California, but anxious to see them vs. UT Tyler this weekend. Pitching depth is a concern.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 25, 2013, 02:59:29 pm
Wow longball. For two posts you seem to have the West pretty much figured out. Nice job....maybe because I happen to agree with you  ;)

Linfield looks like they are back and Whitworth and the other NWC upstarts better be prepared to do battle. Very nice start for them, they are back and look to be a force.

Centenary will surely be looking to avenge the series loss at Trinity last year when they were still considered a D1. They could very well take a series from Trinity IMO.

I think Trinity is kicking the ball around too much to get through a Regional to the next level. It is early but this must be fixed. I also think that since they have such an easy path to the Regional they should be working deeper through their rotation to find some quality arms and/or develop them for later in the season. Just my 2 cents. 

The 2 (IMO) teams that come out of the SCIAC will be battle tested and tough in a Regional.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 25, 2013, 06:31:06 pm
My thoughts on the top teams in the West (not based solely on their record):

SCAC-
*Trinity (8-2) - Strong lineup with power and quality arms at the front end of their rotation (my top team despite loss to Austin)
*Centenary (8-2) - Probably the only team in the conference capable of stealing a series from Trinity

ASC
*UT Tyler (7-3) - Strong pitching thus far, excited to see how they fare next weekend against Whitworth
*Letourneau (6-1) -
*Concordia (7-7) - Started off rocky, but won 7 of their last 8. Good hitting team but depth on the mound doesn't appear to be the same as in years past.

SCIAC (deepest conference IMO)
*Pomona-Pitzer (8-2) - Hot start as they swept a pair of NWC teams before losing big series against Cal Lu.
*Cal Lutheran (5-3-1) - Has fared well against a tough schedule thus far, not getting easier as they visit Chapman this weekend

NWC (not far behind the SCIAC for toughest conference)
*Linfield (7-1) - 7 straight wins, .338 team avg., team ERA of 1.01. Pretty impressive I'd say. Them and Trinity appear to be fighting for #1 so far
*Pacific Lutheran (7-3) - Strong front end rotation, but offensive production is the real question
*George Fox (7-4) - Bats have had a lot of spark in the early going, but pitching and defense has been lackluster
*Whitworth (4-3-1) - Struggled the first weekend in California, but anxious to see them vs. UT Tyler this weekend. Pitching depth is a concern.

Great post. I agree with your assessment so far.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 25, 2013, 06:34:32 pm
Chapman has a another key series this weekend with Cal Lu this weekend. Is Chapman clawing its way back from a bad early start and bad 2012 or is too young and too inexperience to have a shot at the SCIAC this year.

Chapman needs to win 2 out of 3 from Cal Lu to be taken serious.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Patriotfan87 on March 03, 2013, 03:41:45 pm
My thoughts on the top teams in the West (not based solely on their record):

SCAC-
*Trinity (8-2) - Strong lineup with power and quality arms at the front end of their rotation (my top team despite loss to Austin)
*Centenary (8-2) - Probably the only team in the conference capable of stealing a series from Trinity

ASC
*UT Tyler (7-3) - Strong pitching thus far, excited to see how they fare next weekend against Whitworth
*Letourneau (6-1) -
*Concordia (7-7) - Started off rocky, but won 7 of their last 8. Good hitting team but depth on the mound doesn't appear to be the same as in years past.

SCIAC (deepest conference IMO)
*Pomona-Pitzer (8-2) - Hot start as they swept a pair of NWC teams before losing big series against Cal Lu.
*Cal Lutheran (5-3-1) - Has fared well against a tough schedule thus far, not getting easier as they visit Chapman this weekend

NWC (not far behind the SCIAC for toughest conference)
*Linfield (7-1) - 7 straight wins, .338 team avg., team ERA of 1.01. Pretty impressive I'd say. Them and Trinity appear to be fighting for #1 so far
*Pacific Lutheran (7-3) - Strong front end rotation, but offensive production is the real question
*George Fox (7-4) - Bats have had a lot of spark in the early going, but pitching and defense has been lackluster
*Whitworth (4-3-1) - Struggled the first weekend in California, but anxious to see them vs. UT Tyler this weekend. Pitching depth is a concern.

UT Tyler went 4-0 over the weekend, beating Austin College 16-2 and 11-5, and beating Whitworth 5-4 and 12-2
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2013, 04:09:46 pm
Welcome to the boards, Patriotfan87.  Glad to have you on board.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Patriotfan87 on March 03, 2013, 11:27:33 pm
Welcome to the boards, Patriotfan87.  Glad to have you on board.

Thanks
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 04, 2013, 08:13:56 am
CTX lost three to UT-Dallas this weekend, 8-3, 6-5, 10-5.   With the wins UTD improves to 7-8 and CTX drops to 7-10; until the Tornadoes dramatically turn it around it looks like they can be left off any "best teams in the west" discussion.   
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 04, 2013, 09:31:18 am
Not a West topic, but since I have a soft spot for those SAA teams ... check out the pitcher from Berry who took out a Hendrix OF on a play at the plate:

http://d3baseball.com/notables/2013/03/berry-pitcher-levels-hendrix-runner

Can you say "suspension" ??
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2013, 09:53:14 am
Not a West topic, but since I have a soft spot for those SAA teams ... check out the pitcher from Berry who took out a Hendrix OF on a play at the plate:

http://d3baseball.com/notables/2013/03/berry-pitcher-levels-hendrix-runner

Can you say "suspension" ??
I noticed that the runner from 3B did not touch home plate at any time in the video clip.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Piobark on March 04, 2013, 11:53:58 am
Runner can be awarded home without a touch given a call of Obstruction which was the obvious call here.

What really surprises me is that the pitcher wasn't ejected from the game. While I'm not a college level ump, I certainly would have tossed him at the high school level.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on March 04, 2013, 03:25:15 pm
Runner can be awarded home without a touch given a call of Obstruction which was the obvious call here.

What really surprises me is that the pitcher wasn't ejected from the game. While I'm not a college level ump, I certainly would have tossed him at the high school level.
How about a 2 week suspension for the pitcher and 1 game suspension for the head coach. This would be an example to others that want to get stupid and let their emotions attempt to injury a player.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Piobark on March 04, 2013, 03:43:25 pm
Three games -

http://sports.yahoo.com/sportsminute

Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Whatagame on November 04, 2013, 07:37:12 pm
Looks like the big Arizona February "tournament" field is set for 2014, and it looks decidedly smaller this year. 
LaVerne, Whittier and Redlands from SCIAC and Linfield, PLU, G. Fox and Whitman from the NWC. 

That's it, no Texas teams.  Last year featured CTX, UTD and Hardin Simmons - and this event has always recently featured teams from Texas. Of course I believe the state of Texas went a combined 0'fer last year event, so.....
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on November 05, 2013, 09:25:54 am
Whatagame,
Do you have a link to this tournament? I would like to take a look. I am wondering if it is the Same one Oberlin Usually goes to. Oberlin is one of the few schools in this area that goes to Arizona instead of traveling to Florida or Myrtle Beach.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Whatagame on November 05, 2013, 05:32:06 pm
Bishops, no website for this "tournament."  I do know there are other D3 tournaments in Phoenix and Tuscon which occur a little later in the season in March, I believe those are the one's that some midwest and eastern teams come out for.   
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on November 06, 2013, 03:05:43 pm
Thanks, I know that Oberlin in the NCAC goes to Arizona for their Spring trip.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on December 11, 2013, 03:42:38 pm
Well the West Regional was announced (way early this year....before anyone is around here #%?/!)

It will be back at Linfield bring your rain gear....

Two years ago I really enjoyed the wineries, the hotels not so much. We got lucky with weather, and it rained for 7 days after. Someone in the West is going to have to beat Linfield on their home turf.

Cheers.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: wildcat11 on December 12, 2013, 07:12:05 pm
Well the West Regional was announced (way early this year....before anyone is around here #%?/!)

It will be back at Linfield bring your rain gear....

Two years ago I really enjoyed the wineries, the hotels not so much. We got lucky with weather, and it rained for 7 days after. Someone in the West is going to have to beat Linfield on their home turf.

Cheers.

Looking forward to the regional back at Linfield and looking forward to the gripes as well.  Go 'Cats!
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: ILVBB on December 12, 2013, 10:57:27 pm
Wildcat, so you don't have to wait too long...

Linfield; nice people, nice school, nice field, well run operation ... too far from the hotels and the weather stinks!
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on December 13, 2013, 02:05:38 pm
Wildcat, so you don't have to wait too long...

Linfield; nice people, nice school, nice field, well run operation ... too far from the hotels and the weather stinks!

Plus beautiful area in general and GREAT wine!!!
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Whatagame on December 13, 2013, 06:01:58 pm
Although unlikely, the last time Linfield hosted, they ended up raking and striping the field instead of playing on it.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: NWBaseballFan10 on December 14, 2013, 08:47:58 pm
It will be interesting to see come May if Linfield hosting helps a 2nd NWC team earn a spot in the Regional...Last year the NCAA decided to give Texas Lutheran the 6th seed over George Fox who (In my probably biased opinion) should have received the last spot. Perhaps, this year the NCAA will return the favor and give 2 NWC teams a shot at winning the west.

Time will tell...
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on December 15, 2013, 10:45:50 am
I am thinking that the likely team likely to be ranked number 1 at the start of the season will not be stripping their field come May, but that is why the games are played.

Like most years the 6 spots in the West Regional better plan on separating themselves on the field as there will be some very good teams fighting for those slots. I would however think that one NW team might have a slight advantage if it is close.

We are about 7 weeks from the season start and looking forward to hearing about how some of the programs look.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Whatagame on December 15, 2013, 06:40:30 pm
If I recall, I believe G. Fox also had a legitimate argument over Pomona Pitzer for a 2013 at large?  No doubt, Linfield is the class of NWC, they lose Wilson to graduation, but virtually everyone else returns and they are so deep.

There's some really interesting early games this coming season that should give us an early read on some teams:

Chapman at TLU and Trinity.  If injured starting Ps from 2012 are back and in form, it could be a very different Chapman team from 2013

Whitworth out of the blocks with 3 against Pomona-Pitzer and a single game with Oxy.  Was the 2012 CWS Whitworth the anomaly, or the 8th Place NWC team of 2013?

Emory University coming to SCIAC early Feb to play PP, CLU (2 games) and Oxy.  I just think this is interesting, for some reason, and potentially a good early test for all.

PLU, who some thought were a strong pre-season pick to earn a regional berth last year based on their great weekend rotation, stumbled scoring runs.  They are a team to watch, potentially more than G. Fox.  Let's see how PLU starts in early Feb in Arizona Classic.  I believe they get Linfield for a game in that tourny.

Oxy, kind of a surprise in 2013, plays a very light schedule prior to SCIAC league play (single games vs. Whitworth, Emory and La Sierra), could that hurt them out of the blocks in league play?

What else?

 
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on December 15, 2013, 09:52:59 pm
TLU should be back even stronger this year and may surprise some folks.

CLU looses a lot so I think they will not have the type of season they had.

P-P will be back strong.

Chapman will come back strong with returning pitching and a more seasoned team.  Look out for them.

I think UTT lost a lot but not sure on their recruits.

Whitworth I think will rebound and be a force in the NW.

I don't know GF.

Does Concordia rebound?

Trinity will be back with a better offensive team than last year, pitching will be strong and deep but not sure about a dominate number one/two starters. They have a much tougher schedule and will be battle tested come Regionals.

My prediction is Trinity vs Linfield with Linfield having the edge due to home field advantage, but repeating is difficult.

Come on Feb!!!
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2013, 03:20:21 pm
It will be interesting to see come May if Linfield hosting helps a 2nd NWC team earn a spot in the Regional...Last year the NCAA decided to give Texas Lutheran the 6th seed over George Fox who (In my probably biased opinion) should have received the last spot. Perhaps, this year the NCAA will return the favor and give 2 NWC teams a shot at winning the west.

Time will tell...
Well, we are looking at 4 flights at the minimum. "Geographic proximity" may favor the NWC this year.

My unofficial bias is that the West is so strong and so balanced that the difference between the 6th and 7th team is a "hair's breadth".  I beileve that we can justify 2 Pool C bids out of this region every season.

Look at the 2013 Regional Finals.  Every game was a nail-biter.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Whatagame on December 18, 2013, 08:13:12 pm
My prediction is that with the exception of Linfield, who will/should have a completely outstanding regular season, the remainder of the NWC will be more compressed in terms of win/loss records.  The historically lower-tier NWC teams (L&C, Whitman, UPS, Willamette) should all continue to improve and win more conference games than before. (for example, Whitman taking 2/3 from Fox last season, Willamette beating Linfield last year, UPS being a thorn in many team's sides...)  Thus, the majority of the top NWC team's losses will be "in-conference", but these losses will be offset by a high non-conference win % and the NWC team's typically very high SOS, thus finally resulting in a second regional berth for the NWC.

Who that team will be, we shall see......

There, I'll put my crystal ball back on the shelf next to my Santa snow globe.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on December 18, 2013, 11:58:32 pm
Chapman has had 2 consecutive non winning seasons(2012,2013) after being 1 game away from a National Championship in 2011. Do they bounce back with a new coach and long time pitching coach returning with a team that only lost 1 senior only. Do they miss the regional playoffs again in 2014?

Will the SCIAC only land 1 team in the Regional playoffs?

I was lucky to be able to attend 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011 games in Appleton on the Chapman bandwagon. Looks like the old days are gone

Merry Christmas to all !

 ;D
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on January 16, 2014, 11:19:17 am
West Region Teams in top 25. Who is going to move up, who is not ranked who will be, and who is going to move down?

School (1st votes)   Rec   Pts   Prev.
1   Linfield (22)   42-8   620   1
2   Southern Maine (1)   46-10   592   2
3   Kean (1)   39-13   557   5
4   UW-Stevens Point (1)   41-11   525   4
5   Ithaca   41-8   500   3
6   Trinity (Texas)   40-9   479   9
7   Manchester   39-7-1   428   7
8   Webster   37-12   415   6
9   St. Thomas   34-7   401   13
10   Cortland State   38-11   341   10
11   Cal Lutheran   35-9-1   310   17
12   Millsaps   38-14   296   8
13   Salisbury   33-9   288   11
14   Texas-Tyler   37-12   273   18
15   UW-Whitewater   35-9   271   15
16   Concordia (Ill.)   39-7   260   16
17   Keystone   37-10   221   12
18   Marietta   32-14   207   14
19   Wheaton (Mass.)   32-12   168   22
20   Johns Hopkins   37-10   145   23
21   Augustana   34-11   109   20
22   Rowan   32-14   104   rv
23   Misericordia   39-11   85   24
24   Bridgewater (Va.)   34-13   84   rv
25   Washington and Jefferson   33-13   65   rv
Others receiving votes: Adrian 63, Endicott 47, Christopher Newport 41, Shenandoah 33, Illinois Wesleyan 29, Mount Union 28, Wartburg 26, Wooster 21, Birmingham Southern 19, Western New England 9, Huntingdon 9, St. Scholastica 8, DeSales 7, Covenant 5, UW-Oshkosh 4, Alvernia 4, Eastern Conn. State 3, Washington (Mo.) 3, George Fox 3, Case Western Reserve 3, Pomona-Pitzer 3, Saint Joseph's (Me.) 2, Rhodes 2, La Roche 2, Concordia (Texas) 2, Moravian 2, St. John Fisher 1, Penn St.-Behrend 1.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: NWBaseballFan10 on January 16, 2014, 05:39:11 pm
George Fox should be another team to keep tabs on as the season plays out. Last year they stayed home while the NCAA gave Texas Lutheran the final ticket to the West Regional. They return the bulk of their starters and have a strong incoming class featuring a few junior college transfers and a solid freshman pitcher from the Seattle area.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: wildcat11 on January 16, 2014, 06:12:34 pm
Wildcat, so you don't have to wait too long...
 ... too far from the hotels and the weather stinks!

Oh...now it's on!

(http://gifs.gifbin.com/112009/1257848001_black-dynamite-opens_door.gif)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: ILVBB on January 16, 2014, 07:02:43 pm
Quote
Linfield; nice people, nice school, nice field, well run operation

Wildcat - you forgot the rest of the quote! ;D

I try and deal in "reality."
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2014, 08:47:56 pm
George Fox has to be on the West Region radars!
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on January 16, 2014, 11:02:58 pm
I also think that Whitworth could come back with a solid group of returners. Could be a bit of a dog fight in the NWest.

I think Chapman will be a contender. I think CLU will drop  as the season processes, and not sure about UTSA.

I already have my room booked in McMinnville and looking forward to the Alien  :o  festival again..... Like I said there are some great winery's in the area and hoping for some decent weather, and if not, well we have something to complain about here.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 17, 2014, 06:01:07 pm
Whitworth's trip to Appleton was no fluke.  If Pffeffer is back to 2012 form, they can contend. 
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2014, 11:32:48 pm
Whitworth's trip to Appleton was no fluke.  If Pffeffer is back to 2012 form, they can contend.
My thought is that no team winning the West Region is a fluke.

It is a small 6-team region that has the most balance of any region. Most of the 8-team regional brackets have 2-3 weaker teams in the bracket so the first round games can go easy.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on January 18, 2014, 10:02:27 am
Dr. Acula posted this in another thread but it illustrates how difficult scheduling for West teams can be. (Centenary, UofDallas, and a prob a few others are missing as this is a football chart)

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NCAA_Division_3_football_map.gif

Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on January 18, 2014, 10:19:24 am
I absolutely love Trinity's schedule this year, they probably have the toughest schedule in the West that I have seen at least.  If they are going to beat Linfield at home in the Regionals they will have to do it by getting experience playing tough teams on the road and they are doing jsut that. The come out of the gate Vs TT and Chapman, then go to Millsaps.

Fri Feb. 7          Texas-Tyler         
Sat Feb. 8    Chapman             
Sun Feb. 9    Chapman         
Fri Feb. 14    at Millsaps         
Sat Feb. 15    at Millsaps             
Sun Feb. 16    at Millsaps

They go to Hendrix, for a three game weekend mid season, then away to Hardin-Simmons and CTX for a two week stretch on the road, and then end the season at MHB and Centenary again on the road. Their conference schedule gives them more Centenary games.

Give the logistics in the West you could not come up with a tougher schedule. There will be no complaining about a pady-cake schedule this year for the Tigers. 

Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Whatagame on January 21, 2014, 08:07:01 pm
D3.com Pre-Season All American list is out, I think its fun to throw out some names from the West Region that might be on the end-of-season All American teams, who aren't on the pre-season list.  (I'm focusing on NWC/SCIAC as those are the two conferences I'm most familiar with) A few I think might have huge years:

Trevor Lubking (LHP) PLU:  Led NWC in strikeouts last year with 106, very, very tough.
Nick Fisher (OF) Linfield:  Lots of tools, Brosius thinks he's a potential draft pick.
Gerhard Muelheims (IF) Whitworth:  Batted over .400 last year.
Cam Young (2B) Whitman:  Potential to hit well into the .400's, with power and speed on the bases.
Travis McGee (RHP) Chapman:  If he's back to pre-injury form.....
Simon Rosenbaum (UTIL) Pomona-Pitzer:  Huge numbers last year
Jonathon Brooks (1B) Oxy: Batted .417 last year, look for more power this season.

I could think of more, but who is on your "watch list?"
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on January 28, 2014, 01:59:01 pm
West Preview is out.

http://d3baseball.com/notables/2014/01/2014-previews/2014-west-regional-preview


My opinion on the teams (with somewhat limited information)

1. Linfield clear number one until proven otherwise. Most of the team is returning.

2. Trinity: Solid number two, got a big offensive boost when Hirshberg decided to go to graduate school and play one more year. Lost their number one pitcher but have a solid group returning, their number 1 & 2 are solid, season will depend on who steps up for their 3 & 4 starters and late inning bull pen.  Probably the strongest offensive lineup next to Linfield in the West and possibly the country.

3. George Fox: Returns a solid group and should be very competitive and has something to prove.

4. UTT: They are getting votes in the ASC coaches poll so they must know something about the team. I believe they will have to get some solid support from some freshmen to stay at the top.

5. CLU: Solid pitching, but lost most of their offense. Not sure they can hang as a top team, but we will see. Pitching will keep them in most games.

6. TLU : Returns a solid group and will look to show that 2013 Regional was not a fluke. Should be a solid team.

7. Pomona: Should be very good with a strong group of return pitchers and fielders.

8. Chapman: I think they will ride  the returning pitchers who are coming off of injuries plus the Fr/Soph from last year. Will be a very dangerous team IMO if they jell.

Others/not sure:

Concordia: I think they are too young with many new faces.

Centenary: Lost too much and will have to rely on young talent, will be solid, but TBD as a top team.

Whitworth: Can they return to previous glory? The whole team is essentially there.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on January 30, 2014, 10:41:58 am
For those who have not seen this. Interviews with the SCAC head coaches, gives some insight into what is really going on in these programs. Sometimes we on these boards jump to conclusions without really knowing, I listened to a couple of them (even with the annoying echo's) and found it interesting. I think all of the coaches had refreshing views on their programs in particular Centenary  Coach Diaz on how many freshmen are in the mix and Trinity from Coach Scannell on how far he thinks they are from being a top 5 program, as well as Southwestern Coach Thomas on trying to rebuild the program. Good stuff if you can get through the poor audio.

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/bsb/2013-14/releases/media_days_14
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: NWBaseballFan10 on January 30, 2014, 12:48:56 pm
Coach Scannell's comments were definitely interesting. He knows far better than I do where his team stands at the present moment, but I have a hard time believing they won't be a top 15+ team when the season opens. He has been a tremendous recruiter (As he said they've been able to tap into some great talent outside of Texas as well) and developer of talent so I'm sure they will have answers to some of those question marks as the season opens. They will be tested early in those first couple weeks with dates against UTT, Chapman, and Millsaps however.

Perhaps, my favorite part of his interview was how he suggested that practices have been a little tougher lately with some colder weather and rain. Makes us here in the NW feel a little better ourselves  ;D
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on January 31, 2014, 09:20:04 am
Coach Scannell's comments were definitely interesting. He knows far better than I do where his team stands at the present moment, but I have a hard time believing they won't be a top 15+ team when the season opens. He has been a tremendous recruiter (As he said they've been able to tap into some great talent outside of Texas as well) and developer of talent so I'm sure they will have answers to some of those question marks as the season opens. They will be tested early in those first couple weeks with dates against UTT, Chapman, and Millsaps however.

Perhaps, my favorite part of his interview was how he suggested that practices have been a little tougher lately with some colder weather and rain. Makes us here in the NW feel a little better ourselves  ;D

+1 makes us in the rust belt feel a little better too. Not sure when the young men in this area will get outside.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: TexasBB on February 03, 2014, 12:50:17 pm
Looks like UTT is trying to beaf up its pre-season schedule without making a trip to Arizona.

This weekend they start play by heading south and playing a single game Friday night against #6 Trintiy then going to Austin to play a double header Saturday against Texas Lutheran. The following weekend they host a tournament and play a single game Friday night against Texas Lutheran then a double header Saturday against Centenary. 

After that the rest of the schedule is all against ASC opponents.

TexasBB
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 03, 2014, 10:27:48 pm
Nothing like coming out of the gate against some solid opponents, without having to travel via airplane.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 04, 2014, 11:23:33 pm
Chapman has 9 seniors in 2014 on the roster including 3 pitchers and 2 starting position players that were with Chapman in 2011 when they were one win away from a National Championship. Now sure what to expect in 2014 after 2 down years for Chapman. If the pitchers are all healthy and pitch like pre 2012 Chapman, things could interesting in the West.

http://www.chapmanathletics.com/sports/bsb/2013-14/releases/201402031iym1n
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 05, 2014, 03:43:57 pm
Trinity's roster is now up.

http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/bsb/2013-14/roster

13- Sr
 4  - Jr
18 - SO
10  - FR

Pretty young team to be ranked #5. We will be interesting weekend.

Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on February 05, 2014, 04:07:49 pm
Trinity's roster is now up.

http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/bsb/2013-14/roster

13- Sr
 4  - Jr
18 - SO
10  - FR

Pretty young team to be ranked #5. We will be interesting weekend.
13 seniors seems to be quite  a good number. How many would you say are on the field contributors? That might be why the jr class is small. Has the JR class always been that small or have players left?

With 45 players do they field a JV team? If so how many games do they play?

One last comment, I like how they post community service for the players on the roster.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 06, 2014, 08:38:37 am
Not to take anything away from this year, (or any year) but last year's Sr graduating class was one of the best in school's history 4 straight years of regional's, great leadership, special group.

We won't know who the starters are until we see a few games but I believe there are 4 Sr starting position players, one Sr full time starting pitcher, a pretty deep bull pen with a number of Sr's. This team will likely be a better hitting team than last years.

Small Jr class was a small recruiting class, 5-6?.  Was boxed in by two very large Sr classes above it.

The challenge for this team will be for the Sr's who are not full time starters to step up and be leaders, without being on the field as well as who develops into 3 & 4 starter and emerges from the bull pen.  They play a very tough schedule so they have the opportunity to develop against good competition.

Scannel said this in his interview on SCAC that this team is not like last year's where it was championship quality out of the gate, this one has the "potential" but will have to develop into one as the season progresses.  The interviews are pretty enlightening I like the format, even with poor audio.

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/bsb/2013-14/releases/media_days_14

They have a JV team, not sure on the # games but in the 12-15 range.

Season opens for them this weekend, UTTyler and Chapman.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 07, 2014, 06:17:30 pm
Just saw a tweet:

TLU - 9 , Chapman - 1 Weather was pretty miserable.
WP: Aaron Aleman

That is a bit shocking will have to go check out the Box later.

UTT and Trinity was cancelled, no mention of new date. I'm guessing travel issues with UTT due to Ice but don't really know. 
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 07, 2014, 06:30:15 pm
Weather: Cloudy drizzle, ice....

Chapman 5 errors, 4 unearned runs....

Don't know about the weather/travel effects, but not a good first showing. Will learn a bit more this weekend, should be two good games vs TU.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2014, 11:23:09 am
Just saw a tweet:

TLU - 9 , Chapman - 1 Weather was pretty miserable.
WP: Aaron Aleman

That is a bit shocking will have to go check out the Box later.

UTT and Trinity was cancelled, no mention of new date. I'm guessing travel issues with UTT due to Ice but don't really know.
Yes, we had sleet and snow flurries in Tyler yesterday.  First snow of the season...
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 08, 2014, 10:20:27 pm
Saw the Chapman/TU game today. Osaki did a good job of keeping TU off balance, not overpowering but he will work into shape. Really liked the freshman Hahn, even though his results were not good and gave up the lead this kid has good velo and will develop, he could be special. Typical early season game some good some bad. Chapman will develop over the season, not like the old dominating Chapman teams but they will be competitive, all of the pieces are there. Both teams left too many men on base, and in particular TU in scoring position, but it is early in the season.

TU's line up will develop and will be tough to pitch through 1-8, in a month IMO, could be a very explosive team offensively.  Freshmen Flores came in and looked really good, one piece of the pitching puzzle for them. Bogese a little wild, but has draftable stuff, so he can get in trouble and pitch his way out of it.

Most impressed with TLU as far as the results, sounds like a solid club, I think the surprise in the West so far.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Westside on February 08, 2014, 10:33:36 pm
My surprise of the West Region has to be Whitman. Last season, Whitman won the most games in a season since 1975... They had an overall mark of 16-22, finishing their conference season with an 8-16 record – their second highest win total in the NWC since entering Division III.

They are 3-1 right now, and they put up 18 runs on Whittier and 15 runs on La Verne.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: D O.C. on February 09, 2014, 12:37:46 am
I'll go see Trinity / CU Sunday.

Chapman can build all they want but they will be spanked if they can get back to the McMinnville regionals.

Good bye LaVerne, Pacific Lutheran, Redlands.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: bzzboyz on February 09, 2014, 02:10:43 am
For what it's worth, TLU swept both games from UT Tyler on Sat. Should make for an interesting few weeks of rankings. They've got Concordia next week and UT Tyler again next weekend. TLU is senior heavy and experience is always a plus.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Colorado on February 09, 2014, 10:26:38 am
Hanks is tentatively set to start for Chapman today. He started and won against San Marcos the other day. Smith and McGee are in the bullpen  My brief impression of Trinity is that they are a good hitting team (especially that right-left-right combo that packs the middle of the order).   For the time being, McGee and Osaki are on pitch count restrictions. The latter threw 80 pitches yesterday and came out. His arm strength is not there yet but he said afterwards that he appreciated the moment when he took the mound. It was his first regular season game since April 22, 2012 when he hurt his elbow and had TJ surgery.   My early prognostication is that the SCIAC seems to be weaker than last year or at least everybody is struggling with their pitching due to graduation losses, bad weather or early season woes. Chapman seems to fit right into that mix with a few holes (Dillon's bat is greatly needed) and question marks that need to resolve itself soon. The Oregon schools especially the defending champs look good so far in beating up on the SCIAC teams in Arizona
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 09, 2014, 02:12:35 pm
Hanks is tentatively set to start for Chapman today. He started and won against San Marcos the other day. Smith and McGee are in the bullpen  My brief impression of Trinity is that they are a good hitting team (especially that right-left-right combo that packs the middle of the order).   For the time being, McGee and Osaki are on pitch count restrictions. The latter threw 80 pitches yesterday and came out. His arm strength is not there yet but he said afterwards that he appreciated the moment when he took the mound. It was his first regular season game since April 22, 2012 when he hurt his elbow and had TJ surgery.  My early prognostication is that the SCIAC seems to be weaker than last year or at least everybody is struggling with their pitching due to graduation losses, bad weather or early season woes. Chapman seems to fit right into that mix with a few holes (Dillon's bat is greatly needed) and question marks that need to resolve itself soon. The Oregon schools especially the defending champs look good so far in beating up on the SCIAC teams in Arizona
As of 2/9/2014 SCIAC is 5-20. Not exactly a showing of a strong conference so far.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2014, 02:44:01 pm
The SCAC looks good so far. 

Congrats to Coach Driggers for the win over Centenary.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2014, 03:11:24 pm
Nice Cal Lutheran win over a good opponent, Emory.

No "early season' bias here altho' Atlanta has had some brutal winter weather.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on February 10, 2014, 03:58:53 pm
Ralph,

As mentioned under the SCIAC thread; I was surprised Emory scored 41 runs in their 4 SoCal games.
Only Cal Lu's Petersen/Hebda shut them down for 2 runs.  They other three games they scored 11,11,17.

On the other hand CLU offense started out better than expected scoring 13 and 8 against Emory (who only gave up 2 each to Occi and PP).
If Cal Lu keeps hitting that way, and they can avoid 5 error games like Game 2 against Emory, then they will be competitive in SCIAC. 


Overall, a disappointing weekend by SCIAC against the other Conferences.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2014, 05:50:01 pm
Ralph,

As mentioned under the SCIAC thread; I was surprised Emory scored 41 runs in their 4 SoCal games.
Only Cal Lu's Petersen/Hebda shut them down for 2 runs.  They other three games they scored 11,11,17.

On the other hand CLU offense started out better than expected scoring 13 and 8 against Emory (who only gave up 2 each to Occi and PP).
If Cal Lu keeps hitting that way, and they can avoid 5 error games like Game 2 against Emory, then they will be competitive in SCIAC. 


Overall, a disappointing weekend by SCIAC against the other Conferences.
Welcome to the Boards, SoCalSoxFan.  Glad to have you on the message boards and keep contributing.  +1!
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on February 10, 2014, 06:37:04 pm
Thanks Ralph,

Last year I started reading about half way through the season.  This year I decided to participate.


Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: BigPoppa on February 10, 2014, 09:19:23 pm
Thanks Ralph,

Last year I started reading about half way through the season.  This year I decided to participate.

Welcome aboard:) Do you have an affiliation?
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Jack Parkman on February 12, 2014, 12:21:21 am
I think the first week or 2 of the season has been interesting.  Some really solid outings for some teams and others have been an absolute dumpster fire.

SCIAC
Not many positive things to say here.  Although Chapman dropped all 3 in Texas they were very competitive in all 3 games.  Their bats were shut down a little but their pitching seemed pretty good.  I think Chapman will be back in the top 2-3 in the SCIAC this year if they can play this way.  CLU's split was interesting.  One great game and one dud.  I think their pitching will be solid and their bats seemed to pick up right where they left off last year.  Almost a whole new team offensively.  CMS split with Willamette who I have no clue if they are very good.  Oxy got shut out by an awful team and got spanked by Emory.  It took 8 Whitworth errors for Oxy to squeak by in a 1-run game.  I really think Oxy is in trouble.  Pomona looked awful against Whitworth and Emory.  Did they lose that much and is their pitching that bad to give up 11 runs a game?  La Verne played some real tight games in AZ and they look like they could be pretty tough.  Whittier and Redlands have been just plain terrible.  I'm sure Cal Tech will be the same as well.

NWC
Linfield showed pretty well in AZ and I really thing they can repeat this year.  PLU and George Fox played pretty well in AZ too.  I would say the big surprise in the NWC is Whitman.  No clue what their coaching situation is but I think the current guy is new within the past few years.  They absolutely crushed the ball in AZ and only lost to GF in a close game.  Something might be brewing at Whitman.  Whitworth looked like they were going to have a very solid first weekend but their loss to Oxy is bad.  For a team that is trying to get back to their 2012 ways, a loss to a team like Oxy is bad.  I am sure they will be fine but they can't make 8 errors and expect to win.

Texas
Trinity's pitching sounds like it was really solid this weekend.  Turning a triple-play to end the game against Tyler is awesome.  Great start to their season.  TX Lutheran played really well and they could be a force this year.  UT-Tyler laid an egg so we will see what happens this year.

Obviously only 1 weekend but it could show a lot.  SCIAC gets right into conference action this weekend while the NWC stays out of conference.  Big weekend with Trinity and Millsaps.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2014, 01:14:53 am
If UTT is down, and TLU (and Schreiner) are gone, and Miss College cannot compete in the post-season tourney, then the conference may be very balanced and (and down) from previous seasons.

My darkhorse? Coach Driggers at ETBU.  He had a competitive weekend versus Centenary. I will watch the pitching depth at the #2 and #3 starter for ETBU.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 12, 2014, 09:20:03 am
Well done Jack. +1

Make no mistake Chapman will be good, they just need to polish up the defense a little, their mid lineup bats were silent, but they will come around and so will their pitching. I don't know about CLU but my guess it will be a Chapman vs CLU final for the SCIAC.

TLU looks solid, and if they keep it up will have a shot getting back to the Regionals, the talk of two NW teams in McMinnville will likely come down to how TLU plays the rest of the season. UTT looks weak IMO, Trinity came out really flat and did not pitch all that well against them, I think in nearly every inning they put the lead off runner on.  Granted it was only one game but when I look at two teams I go through the weaker teams line up and think about which player would break through on the others starting line up and IMO maybe 1 or 2 of the UTT starters MIGHT make the starting line up on Trinity's team. Those Astro's 70's style jersey's look horrible. Trash um I say. Ugh  Their pitching was decent, which kept them in the game. I know it's early but they are not a top 20 team at the moment.

Trinity's bottom half of the order was horrible all weekend, but when they come around the line up will be very tough to pitch through 3-4 times. Their season will be determined how well their bullpen develops as well as who emerges as a 3 - 4. Pitching Coach Smith is one of the best in the business (D1 included) and he will likely find a few diamonds and develop them.

TU at Millsaps should be an interesting series, good barometer for both teams. 

BTW it was not a triple play to end the game, scorekeeper messed up. It was a double however, which is just as good when you are looking for two outs and the tying run is at second.  ;)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Whatagame on February 12, 2014, 01:07:30 pm
Quote from: Jack Parkman link=topic=6314.msg1579199#msg1579199 date=1392182481

[i
I would say the big surprise in the NWC is Whitman.  No clue what their coaching situation is but I think the current guy is new within the past few years.  [/i]

Jack:

This is Whitman head coach Kinney's 2nd season at the helm.  He's a 2005 grad of the school, and probably was one of the school's best baseball players in program history.  He was an assistant under Holowaty, and took over as interim coach last season, and was rewarded with the official HC position soon after the end of last season.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Jack Parkman on February 12, 2014, 04:48:04 pm
Quote from: Jack Parkman link=topic=6314.msg1579199#msg1579199 date=1392182481

[i
I would say the big surprise in the NWC is Whitman.  No clue what their coaching situation is but I think the current guy is new within the past few years.  [/i]

Jack:

This is Whitman head coach Kinney's 2nd season at the helm.  He's a 2005 grad of the school, and probably was one of the school's best baseball players in program history.  He was an assistant under Holowaty, and took over as interim coach last season, and was rewarded with the official HC position soon after the end of last season.

Thanks.  I guess I was too lazy to look it up.  Sounds like they found the right guy.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 12, 2014, 07:21:58 pm
I think the first week or 2 of the season has been interesting.  Some really solid outings for some teams and others have been an absolute dumpster fire.

SCIAC
Not many positive things to say here.  Although Chapman dropped all 3 in Texas they were very competitive in all 3 games.  Their bats were shut down a little but their pitching seemed pretty good.  I think Chapman will be back in the top 2-3 in the SCIAC this year if they can play this way.  CLU's split was interesting.  One great game and one dud.  I think their pitching will be solid and their bats seemed to pick up right where they left off last year.  Almost a whole new team offensively.  CMS split with Willamette who I have no clue if they are very good.  Oxy got shut out by an awful team and got spanked by Emory.  It took 8 Whitworth errors for Oxy to squeak by in a 1-run game.  I really think Oxy is in trouble.  Pomona looked awful against Whitworth and Emory.  Did they lose that much and is their pitching that bad to give up 11 runs a game?  La Verne played some real tight games in AZ and they look like they could be pretty tough.  Whittier and Redlands have been just plain terrible.  I'm sure Cal Tech will be the same as well.

NWC
Linfield showed pretty well in AZ and I really thing they can repeat this year.  PLU and George Fox played pretty well in AZ too.  I would say the big surprise in the NWC is Whitman.  No clue what their coaching situation is but I think the current guy is new within the past few years.  They absolutely crushed the ball in AZ and only lost to GF in a close game.  Something might be brewing at Whitman.  Whitworth looked like they were going to have a very solid first weekend but their loss to Oxy is bad.  For a team that is trying to get back to their 2012 ways, a loss to a team like Oxy is bad.  I am sure they will be fine but they can't make 8 errors and expect to win.

Texas
Trinity's pitching sounds like it was really solid this weekend.  Turning a triple-play to end the game against Tyler is awesome.  Great start to their season.  TX Lutheran played really well and they could be a force this year.  UT-Tyler laid an egg so we will see what happens this year.

Obviously only 1 weekend but it could show a lot.  SCIAC gets right into conference action this weekend while the NWC stays out of conference.  Big weekend with Trinity and Millsaps.
Chapman needs to sweep Occidental to show that they will be a contender for the SCIAC. The following week will be a tough series with La Verne. So far, hitting(.245 BA) Pitching(4.09 ERA) and Fielding Percentage(.947) so far is worse than 2012 & 2013 BUT it is very early in the season and the next 3 games are very important for a team that has not done well for the past 2 years. Jury is out until it is shown on the field.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Whatagame on February 12, 2014, 07:33:01 pm
Crash, I think La Verne could potentially be a very stout test for Chapman.  Their win over George Fox last weekend was impressive, particularly given that they held Fox's offense down in that game.  Additionally, La Verne was beating Linfield last weekend, but lost in the 9th inning in a close one.  Last season, La Verne seemed to be a lighter power, singles-hitting team, they look like they might have a bit more extra base pop this year.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Westside on February 12, 2014, 07:51:06 pm
Additionally, La Verne was beating Linfield last weekend, but lost in the 9th inning in a close one.

Not to take anything away from La Verne, but Linfield was leading that game 7-1 before Haddeland left the game.

I agree though, I think La Verne and Cal Lu will be the teams to beat in the SCIAC. I watched Pomona and Claremont online, and neither of them looked as good as La Verne or Cal Lu. Chapman is definitely a wild card. We will see what happens when they start to gel.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Colorado on February 13, 2014, 06:45:26 am
Against Oxy this weekend, Chapman's rotation will be Osaki, Riddle and Hanks/McGee. The 2  5th year seniors  are coming along. Both are feeling very good. In a perfect world, both could be back to pre-injury form within a month.. Despite the 5-error game, the Defense is pretty good. The offense? After San Marcos, I thought they had a lot of good  hitters. After the Texas weekend, I thought they didn't have enough. They are probably somewhere in between.Greg Dillon remains out but the headaches are fading away. Once back, the middle of the line up could be Saatzer Dillon Cook and Battaglia. That could be the Panther's strongest lineup in 3 years. The dads on probably 5-6 teams are probably all thinking the same thing about their own teams but if the SCIAC is that weak this year, then why not us?
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: TexasBB on February 16, 2014, 11:09:55 pm
UTT bounced back this weekend beating TX Lutheran and splitting with Centenary at home.  The lost all 3 on the road last week to Trinity and TX Lutheran but were competitive in each game. They have a young team and should get better as the season progresses. The ASC starts this coming weekend.

Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 17, 2014, 07:58:12 am
Top Teams in the West         108 Stitches Ranking

George Fox   0-0   6-1   Won 4      3
Linfield      0-0   5-1   Lost 1      1
Whitman           0-0   6-3   Won 1
PLU                   0-0   4-2   Won 2
Willamette   0-0   4-2   Won 2
Whitworth   0-0   2-2   Lost 2
Chapman           2-1   3-4   Won 2
Pomona-Pitzer   2-1   3-4   Won 1
Cal Lutheran   0-0   1-1   Lost 1      
Texas-Tyler   0-0   2-4   Won 1
Trinity (Texas)   0-0   5-1   Won 1      2
Texas Lutheran   0-0   5-2   Won 1   4
   
The rest I cannot rank because their schedule so far was too weak or they have not played enough games. Northwest conference looks to be very competitive, which bodes well for an at large bid given regional is in McMinnville. Whitman is the surprise in the Northwest, lets see how they do against top competition, but give them credit for a good start. The SCIAC looks like it will be weaker this year with CLU and Chapman my pick for the top two teams there.  TLU is the surprise in the SCAC and will have to continue to play well to get an at large bid, (I believe they are not eligible for the SCAC this year, if not win their conference) Trinity continues their tradition of fielding a strong team, their pitching will have to develop during the year, but they will be an offensive force. I agree with TexasBB UTT is young but will develop. The rest we will see.

PS: Sorry for the formatting, word does not come across.

Note to administrators: Your link on the teams goes to 2013 schedules, if you put in "2014" in the link you get current schedules.

Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 17, 2014, 08:59:16 am
Top Teams in the West         108 Stitches Ranking

George Fox   0-0   6-1   Won 4      3
Linfield      0-0   5-1   Lost 1      1
Whitman           0-0   6-3   Won 1
PLU                   0-0   4-2   Won 2
Willamette   0-0   4-2   Won 2
Whitworth   0-0   2-2   Lost 2
Chapman           2-1   3-4   Won 2
Pomona-Pitzer   2-1   3-4   Won 1
Cal Lutheran   0-0   1-1   Lost 1      
Texas-Tyler   0-0   2-4   Won 1
Trinity (Texas)   0-0   5-1   Won 1      2
Texas Lutheran   0-0   5-2   Won 1   4
   
The rest I cannot rank because their schedule so far was too weak or they have not played enough games. Northwest conference looks to be very competitive, which bodes well for an at large bid given regional is in McMinnville. Whitman is the surprise in the Northwest, lets see how they do against top competition, but give them credit for a good start. The SCIAC looks like it will be weaker this year with CLU and Chapman my pick for the top two teams there.  TLU is the surprise in the SCAC and will have to continue to play well to get an at large bid, (I believe they are not eligible for the SCAC this year, if not win their conference) Trinity continues their tradition of fielding a strong team, their pitching will have to develop during the year, but they will be an offensive force. I agree with TexasBB UTT is young but will develop. The rest we will see.

PS: Sorry for the formatting, word does not come across.

Note to administrators: Your link on the teams goes to 2013 schedules, if you put in "2014" in the link you get current schedules.



Nice list. Only changes I have it is hard imo to have teams with losing overall records be in the Top teams in the West right now. It is what they do on the field now. Maybe these teams at a later date show up and become on of the TOP team. Chapman has 6 very tough games over the next 2 weeks and could become a Top Team if they do well.

At this point I see NWC with 2 bids, 1 for SCIAC, 2 for SCAC and 1 for ASC. Of course this could/will change as the season goes.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 17, 2014, 09:38:04 am
I agree Crash but it is so early I was projecting a bit. Teams with winning records should be listed, but in reality if they are playing cup cake schedules it is difficult to figure out if they are good or not. In two weeks this list will be more accurate, but gives us something to discuss. Number 5/6 seeds at the Regional will be interesting... I guess they always are.  ;D
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 17, 2014, 06:32:47 pm
Pretty sure Texas Lutheran's eligible.    They've already won one SCAC championship this season (football). 
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Jack Parkman on February 17, 2014, 06:37:05 pm
My humble opinion is that the TX and NW schools will dominate the SCIAC for a while.  It seems like the quality of play in the SCIAC has dropped recently and I don't really have an answer as to why.  Chapman has really dropped off but they are still capable of beating anyone at any time.  I have always been a little tough on Trinity and UT-Tyler since they have never been to the WS but that might be changing real soon.  I think the West as a whole hasbecome much more competitive.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 17, 2014, 06:43:32 pm
Pretty sure Texas Lutheran's eligible.    They've already won one SCAC championship this season (football).

Women's Basketball has also locked down the top seed for the conference tourney in SA at the end of the month.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 17, 2014, 07:18:00 pm
That is good Ron, will make the conference much stronger and the conf tournament much more interesting.

Jack the seeding and World Series participation has been discussed here ad nauseam, last year it was Linfield, previous years it was Chapman. Based on performance last year you could argue that Trinity was the second best team in the country but none of that matters. We're in 2014 so lets see what happens this year. Linfield is beatable and you have to get through the Regional to get there so go beat the team in front of you and not worry about it.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Jack Parkman on February 17, 2014, 07:27:45 pm
That is good Ron, will make the conference much stronger and the conf tournament much more interesting.

Jack the seeding and World Series participation has been discussed here ad nauseam, last year it was Linfield, previous years it was Chapman. Based on performance last year you could argue that Trinity was the second best team in the country but none of that matters. We're in 2014 so lets see what happens this year. Linfield is beatable and you have to get through the Regional to get there so go beat the team in front of you and not worry about it.

You are not going to get any argument from me on that.  Trinity was really good last year and I think they have as good a chance as anyone this year.  Maybe they will are tired of hearing me talk about them never making the Series and do it this year???  SOme pretty good tests early in the season and I think they have passed those tests.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: dp643 on February 19, 2014, 09:15:28 am
UMHB opened their season with a road victory at TLU 9-4. Looks like UMHB may be pretty good at the plate this year, even though they started 6 Freshman and Sophomores yesterday. The key is going to see how consistent and deep they are on the mound. I didnt like seeing 4 errors yesterday, but was very happy to only see 2 walks by the pitching. That was a problem last year for the CRU. 5 stolen bases yesterday compared to only 43 all of last year, but I dont know if that is a reflection of a weak defensive catcher for TLU or more team speed for the CRU. Time will tell, but excellent win versus a good team that is traditionally tough to beat at home.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: BamColt on February 19, 2014, 12:21:00 pm
I saw Concordia has Cameron Cox on their roster, this kid actually threw at Texas last year and has a live arm.
Is he considered a starter for Boggs or coming out of the pen.

Shows he was drafted a few years ago out of HS.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 20, 2014, 06:17:39 pm
I saw Concordia has Cameron Cox on their roster, this kid actually threw at Texas last year and has a live arm.
Is he considered a starter for Boggs or coming out of the pen.

Shows he was drafted a few years ago out of HS.

He's a starter.  1-0 in 2 starts with a 1.35 ERA.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 20, 2014, 06:30:32 pm
That is good Ron, will make the conference much stronger and the conf tournament much more interesting.

Jack the seeding and World Series participation has been discussed here ad nauseam, last year it was Linfield, previous years it was Chapman. Based on performance last year you could argue that Trinity was the second best team in the country but none of that matters. We're in 2014 so lets see what happens this year. Linfield is beatable and you have to get through the Regional to get there so go beat the team in front of you and not worry about it.

You are not going to get any argument from me on that.  Trinity was really good last year and I think they have as good a chance as anyone this year.  Maybe they will are tired of hearing me talk about them never making the Series and do it this year???  SOme pretty good tests early in the season and I think they have passed those tests.

Pitching is going to be a key this year because, at least so far, they don't seem to have the stud starters they've had in the recent past.  No Klimesh, no Lucero, etc.   Zach Speer has picked up where he left off last season (which is good), they've got some decent looking short relief but again very early in the season so we'll need to see how things develop. 

Yeah, I know, in what year isn't pitching a key?   8-)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 21, 2014, 09:47:34 am
Yes, TU season will go where their pitching takes them, they have all of the other pieces. Actually they have the pitching pieces, it is a matter of if  they develop during the year to championship levels. They are also playing a scheduled this year that will make them a hardened team come regionals.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 25, 2014, 09:50:37 pm
And then there were three....but not for long.

Top teams in the West.

Linfield
Trinity
CLU

George Fox knocking on the door, soon to be ranked.
Texas Tyler dropping. (and will likely continue)
TLU will rise up, top 25? TBD

Who else?

Chapman (I think will end up a top 25 team)
MHB?
Concordia?
Whitman? Has to be one of the surprises of the season.









1   Linfield (21)   7-2   618   1
2   Southern Maine (2)   0-0   585   2
3   Trinity (Texas) (2)   8-1   544   6
4   UW-Stevens Point   0-0   537   4
5   Kean   2-1   493   3
6   Ithaca   0-0   473   5
7   Manchester   0-0   422   7
8   Webster   0-0   416   8
9   St. Thomas   0-0   388   9
10   Cortland State   3-1   379   10
11   Salisbury   3-1   374   13
12   Cal Lutheran   4-1   348   11
13   UW-Whitewater   0-0   306   15
14   Concordia-Chicago   0-0   260   16
15   Marietta   0-0   257   18
16   Wheaton (Mass.)   0-0   238   19
17   Rowan   3-0   199   22
18   Johns Hopkins   0-0   164   20
19   Bridgewater (Va.)   5-1   148   24
20   Millsaps   6-5   109   12
21   Misericordia   0-0   100   23
22   Augustana   1-1   94   21
23   Washington and Jefferson   0-0   92   25
24   Birmingham-Southern   5-1   70   rv
25   Adrian   0-0   69   rv
Dropped out: No. 14 Texas-Tyler, No. 17 Keystone.

Others receiving votes: George Fox 68, Texas-Tyler 52, Keystone 45, Shenandoah 27, Rhodes 27, Mount Union 26, Case Western Reserve 23, Illinois Wesleyan 22, Western New Eng. 18, Endicott 13, St. Scholastica 12, Concordia (TX) 11, Alvernia 10, Mary Hardin-Baylor 10, Texas Lutheran 10, Piedmont 10, Wooster 9, UW-Oshkosh 8, Huntingdon 8, Covenant 5, Hampden-Sydney 4, Emory 4, Wartburg 4, LeTourneau 4, Moravian 2, La Roche 2, DeSales 2, Saint Joseph's (Me.) 2, St. John Fisher 2, Salem St. 1, Lynchburg 1.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 25, 2014, 10:37:52 pm
Chapman will be in the top 25 soon. Top pitching with great defense and enough hitting equals wins...
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 26, 2014, 12:50:27 pm
Top Teams in West 2/26/2014

SCIAC
Cal Lutheran
Chapman
Whittier

NWC
George Fox
Linfield
Whitman

ASC
Le Tourneau
Mary-Hardin-Baylor
Concordia-Texas

SCAC
Trinity-Texas
Texas Lutheran
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: 108 Stitches on February 26, 2014, 02:07:27 pm
I had not seen this until someone emailed it to me dated Feb 25. Here is how Massey Rates teams. Obviously a snap shot in time, also I did not realize the GF was 9-1.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cbase2014&sub=11620

For West teams they would rate them in the following order:

1. Trinity
2. G. Fox
3. M Hardin-Baylor
4.  Linfield
5. CLU
6. TLU
7. Whitman
8. Le Trourneau* not sure they are West
9. Chapman
10. Concordia
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: dp643 on February 26, 2014, 03:16:28 pm
I am excited to see what UMHB can do this weekend vs Tyler. I am not sold on the pitching depth (yet), but I think they can develop and be just fine. This team is playing good defense and hitting very consistent right now. Hitting .333 through 4 games, with their best hitter from last year (Zach Whiddon) struggling out the gate (.067). Its only a matter of time before he turns it around. I know it is still early, and sweeping Howard Payne doesn't provide much intel for the team, but I hope they can keep developing. This is a team with 6 freshman/sophmores as major contributors in the lineup.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Whatagame on February 26, 2014, 03:35:17 pm
I had not seen this until someone emailed it to me dated Feb 25. Here is how Massey Rates teams. Obviously a snap shot in time, also I did not realize the GF was 9-1.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cbase2014&sub=11620

For West teams they would rate them in the following order:

1. Trinity
2. G. Fox
3. M Hardin-Baylor
4.  Linfield
5. CLU
6. TLU
7. Whitman
8. Le Trourneau* not sure they are West
9. Chapman
10. Concordia

Mainly just looking at the NWC teams in the Massey's ratings, they have some errors in the W/L records.  My assumption is that they only intend to consider D3 games for W/L, in which case they have Whitman at 7-2 correct (they are 8-3 overall with a split vs. NAIA Corban).  However, G. Fox is 7-1 versus D3 (10-1 overall) and Linfield is 4-0 versus D3.(7-2 overall)  Massey's has Chapman correct at 5-4 record (Chapman is 6-4 overall, with one W versus NAIA CSSM)
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on February 26, 2014, 11:53:54 pm
I had not seen this until someone emailed it to me dated Feb 25. Here is how Massey Rates teams. Obviously a snap shot in time, also I did not realize the GF was 9-1.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cbase2014&sub=11620

For West teams they would rate them in the following order:

1. Trinity
2. G. Fox
3. M Hardin-Baylor
4.  Linfield
5. CLU
6. TLU
7. Whitman
8. Le Trourneau* not sure they are West
9. Chapman
10. Concordia

Nice ratings system. 1st time I have seen this

West Region Teams
http://www.d3baseball.com/teams/region/west
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: SoCalSoxFan on February 27, 2014, 11:01:41 am
I had not seen this until someone emailed it to me dated Feb 25. Here is how Massey Rates teams. Obviously a snap shot in time, also I did not realize the GF was 9-1.

http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cbase2014&sub=11620

For West teams they would rate them in the following order:

1. Trinity
2. G. Fox
3. M Hardin-Baylor
4.  Linfield
5. CLU
6. TLU
7. Whitman
8. Le Trourneau* not sure they are West
9. Chapman
10. Concordia

Nice ratings system. 1st time I have seen this

West Region Teams
http://www.d3baseball.com/teams/region/west

I agree with Crash!   Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on February 27, 2014, 12:08:44 pm
Massey, early in the season is very volatile. Teams move up and down with out playing a game. It will stabilize as the year goes on and more teams get on the field.

I am not saying this is not accurate but it can look a lot different in a few weeks.
Title: Re: BB: General West Region Discussion
Post by: dp643 on March 01, 2014, 08:57:59 am
UMHB beats UT Tyler 8-3. Ian Ekery goes the distance for the Cru on the mound with 11 k's. UMHB busted a tight game open with a 6 run 7th inning, helped by 2 UT Tyler errors. Looking at Tyler's season stats, I dont think I have ever seen them field this poorly (.938). Double header today will be big for Tyler to get things turned around.