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Title: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 04, 2009, 08:57:08 pm
It was drivin' me crazy that the CCIW did not have a page of its own.

Jim, how could you?! :o ;D
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 04, 2009, 09:58:59 pm
I have a vague recollection of there once being a CCIW room, but that it was subsumed into what is now the larger regional room, back before other conference rooms started mushrooming around here.

Then again, that might just be an acid Old Milwaukee flashback.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 05, 2009, 12:22:59 am
I have a vague recollection of there once being a CCIW room, but that it was subsumed into what is now the larger regional room, back before other conference rooms started mushrooming around here.

Then again, that might just be an acid Old Milwaukee flashback.

Oh, c'mon - at least have a Sam Adams flashback! ;D

But how could our 'Hiker' let the CCIW room die?! ::)

[Now if NPU won the conference, but had to play the tourney at Wheaton, I bet THAT would keep the board going! :D]
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 05, 2009, 05:46:10 pm
I have a vague recollection of there once being a CCIW room, but that it was subsumed into what is now the larger regional room, back before other conference rooms started mushrooming around here.

Then again, that might just be an acid Old Milwaukee flashback.

Oh, c'mon - at least have a Sam Adams flashback! ;D

Sam Adams doesn't have psychedelic properties. Old Milwaukee does. That's why I've only had it once.

[Now if NPU won the conference, but had to play the tourney at Wheaton, I bet THAT would keep the board going! :D]

Been there, done that. Don't want to see it ever happen again, thankyouverymuch.

North Park opened its season this afternoon with a 2-1 victory over Concordia WI, by the way, at sweltering-hot Hedstrand Field. The Vikings will host Webster tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 06, 2009, 09:46:17 am
Let's see if this gets the board going:

9/5 shocker of the day

North Central IL 3, Carleton-MN 2 (2 OT)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 06, 2009, 05:02:52 pm
NPU beat Webster today, 3-1. Vikings sophomore Kristoffer Grahn now has five assists after only two games, pretty remarkable considering that, according to Coach Born, he's playing on a bad leg and is only at about 70%.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on September 06, 2009, 05:52:45 pm
That is a very good win for North Central, but when you combine this lose and the 3-0 lose to Wartburg, it looks like CarElton is offically struggling this year.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on September 07, 2009, 12:46:03 am
Carleton is indeed struggling a bit, but it is good for the Cards to win a match like this one - especially in OT.  Let's see what they can do with that as the season gets underway.

Hey, I did have a CCIW space, but as Greg said, it took awhile for some us to catch some momentum around here! :P
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: DIIIdad on September 08, 2009, 11:52:50 am
I was at the Wheaton v. Taylor game on Saturday night.  Having never been to a Wheaton men's regular season game, I was very impressed with the raucous atmosphere. 

As for the game itself, Taylor was simply outclassed in this game.  Wheaton dominated in every part of the game, coming away with a 4-0 victory.   I saw Wheaton scrimmage Judson in the preseason where Wheaton couldn't finish.  Against Taylor, they did not have this problem.  Very impressive.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 08, 2009, 09:04:48 pm
NP defeated Concordia-River Forest 4-0.  Grahn scored a hat trick.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on September 09, 2009, 09:10:29 am
Good to hear from you Gotberg.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 09, 2009, 11:07:24 am
NP defeated Concordia-River Forest 4-0.  Grahn scored a hat trick.

Grahn now has eleven points (three goals, five assists) after only three matches. That's not a bad start to the season.

NPU is off to the West Coast this weekend to play NWC entries Willamette and Puget Sound.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 11, 2009, 07:09:26 pm
NPU defeated Willamette, 1-0 - Goal by Kriticos assist by Grahn.

Calvin defeated Wheaton, 2-1.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on September 11, 2009, 09:10:54 pm
Wheaton looked good, but Calvin is playing very well right now. Wheaton is going to be a very hard team to beat in conference! They are very physical and strong. #9 is 6'1" 205 and is really hard to handle.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 11, 2009, 09:11:18 pm
That's twelve points in four matches now for Kristoffer Grahn. He may be the most prolific Swede that John Born has ever brought into the NPU program, even more prolific than Freddie Airosto or P.J. Eriksson -- and he's only a sophomore.

The Vikings have a really nice 1-2 Svenska punch up front in Grahn and Tajinder (yes, he's really Swedish) Singh.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on September 12, 2009, 01:19:40 am
Greg, it's time for some Norwegian talent, wouldn't you say?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 12, 2009, 08:49:40 am
Greg, it's time for some Norwegian talent, wouldn't you say?

North Park had a handful of Norwegian players back in the early 90s - but I don't remember seeing any more since then.

This Norwegian player almost played in a couple of games with North Park soccer players that played in an indoor league during the offseason.  Would have been fun to see him play, but he decided he shouldn't risk getting hurt:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Bohinen
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on September 12, 2009, 11:03:07 am
North Park moves to 4-0 on the season with a 1-0 victory over Willamette in Tacoma, WA.  The Vikings take on Puget Sound on Sunday before returning to Chicago.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on September 12, 2009, 11:51:21 am
UPS is tough and  will be a great "post-season" test for North Park.  Caroline Love is playing well! ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 12, 2009, 05:24:45 pm
Greg, it's time for some Norwegian talent, wouldn't you say?

The Norwegian athletes at NPU are on the football team, Jim:

http://www.northpark.edu/Athletics/Mens-Sports/Football/Roster/Nygaard.aspx

http://www.northpark.edu/Athletics/Mens-Sports/Football/Roster/Lundgren.aspx
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 13, 2009, 07:08:15 pm
That's twelve points in four matches now for Kristoffer Grahn. He may be the most prolific Swede that John Born has ever brought into the NPU program, even more prolific than Freddie Airosto or P.J. Eriksson -- and he's only a sophomore.

The Vikings have a really nice 1-2 Svenska punch up front in Grahn and Tajinder (yes, he's really Swedish) Singh.

Greg - Grahn easily had the best resume coming over from Sweden.  Grahn played in the first division in Sweden, which probably equates to the USL here in the States.  There are very few d3 stars that have played in the USL.

The difference between the USL and Division 1 in Sweden, is that most Division 1 players in Sweden are Amateurs, while all USL players here are pro.   USL is one level below MLS - in case you're not aware.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 13, 2009, 07:40:21 pm
NPU defeats UPS, 3-2.  Grahn with 2 goals and Colago with 1.  All scoring was in the first half.

Ryan McNaughton has not played for NPU this year - anyone know if he is injured?

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 14, 2009, 04:29:59 pm
NPU defeats UPS, 3-2.  Grahn with 2 goals and Colago with 1.  All scoring was in the first half.

Ryan McNaughton has not played for NPU this year - anyone know if he is injured?

Yes, McNaughton's been sidelined thus far with an injury. I suspect that he'll make his season debut sometime within the next week or so. He'll be a big addition at midfield once's he's back at full strength.

Grahn's currently averaging 3.20 points per game (five goals and six assists in five contests). His nearest competitor, Keith Thurman of Elmhurst (who won the CCIW's inaugural Player of the Week award last week), is averaging 1.80 ppg (four goals and an assist in five games). That's quite a disparity.

Greg - Grahn easily had the best resume coming over from Sweden.  Grahn played in the first division in Sweden, which probably equates to the USL here in the States.  There are very few d3 stars that have played in the USL.

The difference between the USL and Division 1 in Sweden, is that most Division 1 players in Sweden are Amateurs, while all USL players here are pro.   USL is one level below MLS - in case you're not aware.

Thanks for the 411, Gotberg. I've been told that NPU freshman Efy Restrepo, the Covenant missionary kid who broke his foot in preseason and is likely going to get a medical redshirt for this year, played on a very high level as well over in Spain. Do you know anything about his soccer background, and whether or not his prior level of competition was comparable to Grahn's?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 14, 2009, 09:29:09 pm
NPU defeats UPS, 3-2.  Grahn with 2 goals and Colago with 1.  All scoring was in the first half.

Ryan McNaughton has not played for NPU this year - anyone know if he is injured?

Yes, McNaughton's been sidelined thus far with an injury. I suspect that he'll make his season debut sometime within the next week or so. He'll be a big addition at midfield once's he's back at full strength.

Grahn's currently averaging 3.20 points per game (five goals and six assists in five contests). His nearest competitor, Keith Thurman of Elmhurst (who won the CCIW's inaugural Player of the Week award last week), is averaging 1.80 ppg (four goals and an assist in five games). That's quite a disparity.

Greg - Grahn easily had the best resume coming over from Sweden.  Grahn played in the first division in Sweden, which probably equates to the USL here in the States.  There are very few d3 stars that have played in the USL.

The difference between the USL and Division 1 in Sweden, is that most Division 1 players in Sweden are Amateurs, while all USL players here are pro.   USL is one level below MLS - in case you're not aware.

Thanks for the 411, Gotberg. I've been told that NPU freshman Efy Restrepo, the Covenant missionary kid who broke his foot in preseason and is likely going to get a medical redshirt for this year, played on a very high level as well over in Spain. Do you know anything about his soccer background, and whether or not his prior level of competition was comparable to Grahn's?

I am not familiar with Efy.  If I hear of anything, I will let you know.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 15, 2009, 02:45:38 pm
Grahn was named the CCIW's Offensive Player of the Week. That award in turn deserves a nice, big, resounding "Duh!" ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: dennis_prikkel on September 15, 2009, 03:26:36 pm
Grahn was named the CCIW's Offensive Player of the Week. That award in turn deserves a nice, big, resounding "Duh!" ;)

is the "Duh" in swedish or norwegian?  ;D
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on September 15, 2009, 03:36:26 pm
In today's NSCAA poll, North Park jumped from 3rd in the Central region to 1st, and from 23rd in the nation to #8!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 15, 2009, 05:02:08 pm
In today's NSCAA poll, North Park jumped from 3rd in the Central region to 1st, and from 23rd in the nation to #8!

That's great recognition for the Vikings' hot start, but NPU must not let itself become complacent. Edgewood looks like a decent team, and after that game tomorrow the Vikings will have to host a Hope team on Saturday night that's always good.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on September 16, 2009, 12:24:31 pm
Grahn was named the CCIW's Offensive Player of the Week. That award in turn deserves a nice, big, resounding "Duh!" ;)

is the "Duh" in swedish or norwegian?  ;D
I believe "Uff Duh!" is Swedish, but I might be mistaken.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on September 16, 2009, 01:03:34 pm
Yeah TJF, but is that the "good" poll? ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 16, 2009, 10:14:19 pm
Edgewood 3, North Park 2 in the 2nd overtime.

I watched the second half and the first overtime.  NP dominated the during the time I watched, but they didn't finish their opportunities and the Edgewood GK made 2 amazing saves.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: DIIIdad on September 16, 2009, 11:09:37 pm
Wheaton beat Dominican 1-0 tonight.  Wheaton scored off a restart in the last 8 minutes.  Dominican played low pressure in the first half, and took it to Wheaton in the second half, but couldn't get it done.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on September 16, 2009, 11:19:40 pm
It sure looks like the door is open for Calvin to step into the driver's seat in the central region.  They have 2 very tough games this weekend though against Wittenburg and Otterbein (who just tied OWU). Hopefully they can continue their strong play.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 17, 2009, 08:40:26 am
Tough loss for Hope yesterday to Elmhurst, 3-2.  Hope held a 2-1 lead, until the Jays scored on a corner with 23 seconds left, and then scored the winning goal in OT.  Last game Hope will play on the Buys, natural grass field.  Next home game will be in the new Van Andel soccer stadium - with field turf.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 17, 2009, 12:02:21 pm
Edgewood 3, North Park 2 in the 2nd overtime.

I watched the second half and the first overtime.  NP dominated the during the time I watched, but they didn't finish their opportunities and the Edgewood GK made 2 amazing saves.

This is why I said the other day that NPU fans shouldn't get too excited about the Vikings being ranked eighth in the nation. The Edgewood game had all the makings of a "trap game", and, sure enough, it bit the Park on the butt. Now the Vikings have to regroup and get it done against Hope at Hedstrand Field on Saturday night.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on September 18, 2009, 11:28:23 pm
Wheaton over Loras 3-2. It sounds like Loras dominated everywhere but on the scoreboard. Wheaton has a knack for the goal though, especially at home.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on September 19, 2009, 12:38:39 am
Loras really dominated this match.  But Wheaton was perfect with every opportunity - something that rarely happens for any team.  The shots look like this: Loras 27 shots, 9 on goal, Wheaton 9 shots, 3 on goal.  When you bat 1.000, you will be tough to beat.  Miguel Bonilla was all over the field and had 7 shots himself, scoring 1 of the DuHawk goals.  Josephs and Filipiak were also in the mix with 7 shots between them.

Loras is a good side that I think will come together well as the season progresses.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: DIIIdad on September 21, 2009, 02:03:09 pm
I missed the first half of this game but was back in the stands for the second half.  The score was 1-0 at the start of the second half. 

It seemed Loras was controlling play with attack after attack.  Wheaton was awarded a questionable corner about 5 minutes into the second half and scored of the scramble that ensued.  Loras appeared to have scored a few minutes later, only to have it called back on an offside.  Wheaton scored their final goal in the 58th minute off a lucky lob shot over the Loras keeper.  It was a nice shot, but the keeper didn't even move, thinking it was going way over the net.  Somehow, it knuckled down and under the crossbar for the third goal. 

Loras kept attacking wide with serve after serve into the area, and finally scored in the 60th minute.  They scored again in the 86th minute, but ran out of time to get the equalizer.  Wheaton played a man down for about the last 17 minutes due to a second yellow to a Wheaton player, but they were able to withstand the pressure.

As I said, I did not see the first half, but I still think Loras will be going back to the final four again this year.

 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on September 25, 2009, 10:16:59 am
In North Park's 1-0 loss to Hope in Chicago, several visiting players shushed the crowd by placing their index finger over their mouths.  No big deal.  What I did not appreciate was the gesture from #9, the player who scored the game's lone goal.  He turned to the North Park student section, grabbed his crotch, and moved his hand up and down.  WTF?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Soccerfan18 on September 25, 2009, 10:32:47 am
Maybe he thought he was Michael Jackson

but seriously - there really is no need for that
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on September 26, 2009, 10:55:12 pm
This isn't normal behavior for a Hope team.  Maybe something is different this year?  Or maybe the North Park was "in their face?"  Of course, a team is supposed to be used to that.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on September 27, 2009, 10:28:25 pm
Comments directed toward #9 did not contain any profanity, and foul language is not part of the repertoire of NP fans.  NP students did poke fun at the green* shoes of Hope's "right winger", and he did not react.

*Think Seattle Seahawk 2009 road uniforms.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on September 27, 2009, 10:49:12 pm
Good point.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: oldtrafford on September 28, 2009, 11:11:29 am
North Park downed by Carthage?  They need to righten that ship if they're going to challenge for conference.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 28, 2009, 05:03:33 pm
North Park downed by Carthage?  They need to righten that ship if they're going to challenge for conference.

Absolutely true. NPU was outmuscled all night. Give Carthage credit; the Redmen are young but very physical, and their defense is very stingy. They're much better than their record indicates.

Meanwhile, NPU is really groping for answers right now.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: oldtrafford on September 30, 2009, 12:37:16 am
anyone heading to the NPU homecoming game on friday?? should be a great match against dominican
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on October 01, 2009, 12:41:53 am
Should be a great match.  Dominican has to be the favorite, but it's at NP and the crowd should be loud.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 01, 2009, 01:41:59 pm
Should be a great match.  Dominican has to be the favorite, but it's at NP and the crowd should be loud.

It's not a conference contest, but it's as close to a must-win for NPU as a non-conference match can get. The student turnout for the Vikings this year has been fantastic, but it'd be great if NPU could get some alumni support as well on Friday night, seeing as it's Homecoming weekend at the Park.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on October 03, 2009, 01:19:14 am
North Park plays Dominican to a 1-1 draw.  Nicely called.  Any color on the match?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Central Region fan on October 07, 2009, 12:43:18 pm
I don't think the score resembled the game. Dominican had plenty of opportunities but couldn't capitalize. I hope North Park will do good in the second half of the season. Sure, they played easy games to boost their confidence up but I'm sure they will end up in the conference final.
I don't know much about this Kris Grhan from Sweden. I saw him against Cartage and Dominican this year and he was very skilled but to compare him to Freddie and PJ is unfair. I've played with Freddie and seen PJ play numerous times and I have to say Kris has more to prove before you can say his a better North Park player then Freedie and PJ. If you look to PJ's accomplishment, 3 time Conference champ and so on.
Any predictions for the Wesleyan game tonight? I would say 2-1 NPU.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on October 08, 2009, 12:11:43 pm
Good day to be an Augie men's soccer fan.

The Viking men pulled a nice upset last night, and in doing so, looked every bit like Wheaton's equal.  They played great defense and their coach had a game plan that worked.  The Vikes had a nice goal and it was their only real good opportunity - they executed well.  Wheaton had plenty of chances, but good stops on all of them.  The Thunder was given the midfield on a number of occasions, but could never really convert into strong opportunities.  I though they needed to take the ball outside a lot more often - way too many runs up into the middle, and with Augie emphasizing a defense approach at that point, trying to go 2 v 8 doesn't make a lot of sense.

Wheaton needs to regroup because if they can't play better than a 3-6 squad, they'll never see the post-season.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 08, 2009, 01:50:50 pm
I missed my second straight home North Park game due to illness. Would anyone who went care to give his impressions? Sounds like an exciting game, as NPU edged Illinois Wesleyan, 3-2, on a late penalty kick by T.J. Singh.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on October 08, 2009, 07:31:50 pm
I didn't think you ever got sick, Greg.  I'll bet if it was a hoops event, you'd have been there, sniffles and all! ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 09, 2009, 10:41:18 am
Augustana 1, Wheaton 0  What happened?  Stats indicate Wheaton dominated the game big-time.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 09, 2009, 01:29:27 pm
I didn't think you ever got sick, Greg.  I'll bet if it was a hoops event, you'd have been there, sniffles and all! ;)

The big difference is that basketball is an indoor sport. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on October 09, 2009, 02:38:10 pm
FW - as I said above, Wheaton just couldn't get much done against Augie's defense.  They were fast to the ball, and I would have to say that Wheaton's passing wasn't too crisp.  They did have a nmber of shots, but I don;t recall many being on goal.  Perhaps one or two better chances.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 09, 2009, 05:18:56 pm
Oooops!  I don't know how I missed your earlier post! 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The_Swede on October 10, 2009, 12:53:56 pm
The Wheaton men's soccer team got a scare against Carthage, but bounced back from an early 2-0 deficit for a 3-2 victory on Saturday. Drew Golz scored off a long free kick that was one touched to him and Matt Swartz scored his 8th goal of the season on a PK to tie the score in the first half. Tyler Risma scored the game-winner on a header off a corner kick.
http://athletics.wheaton.edu/news/2009/10/9/MSOC_carthage.aspx?path=msoccer
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 10, 2009, 11:57:06 pm
Augie beat NPU, 2-0, in Rock Island today. The season is rapidly getting away from the eastern Vikings, while the western Vikings appear to be on a serious roll.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on October 11, 2009, 06:17:03 pm
Augie certainly isn't acting like a sub .500 team, that's for sure.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 15, 2009, 09:09:48 am
NPU v Elmhurst tied 0-0.

North Park started a freshman in goal.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on October 15, 2009, 09:14:20 am
It looks like it paid off.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mugsy on October 27, 2009, 03:32:34 pm
Very infrequent poster to the soccer boards and I'm not sure the best place to post this.  Since I'm not a soccer player, I'm not sure if this is a truly amazing shot vs. completely inept goalkeeper?  Probably both?

95 yard goal in SMU vs. Tulsa match:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=16244517&ch=&src=news (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=16244517&ch=&src=news)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 27, 2009, 04:15:52 pm
Very infrequent poster to the soccer boards and I'm not sure the best place to post this.  Since I'm not a soccer player, I'm not sure if this is a truly amazing shot vs. completely inept goalkeeper?  Probably both?

95 yard goal in SMU vs. Tulsa match:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=16244517&ch=&src=news (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=16244517&ch=&src=news)

I'd say neither is more likely than both.  First, it almost certainly was not a shot - he had a teammate racing forward (briefly visible in the first showing); he badly over-led him.  The goalie was simply the victim of an incredibly fluky bounce (though he probably should have backed up a bit once the ball was in the air).

[The first goal I ever scored was similarly fluky (but didn't make ABC News :'() - I was attempting a pass to a teammate streaking forward, and accidentally put it in the upper left corner of the goal.  Idiot that I am, I even blurted out that it was intended as a pass! :o ;D]
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mugsy on October 27, 2009, 06:21:27 pm
Very infrequent poster to the soccer boards and I'm not sure the best place to post this.  Since I'm not a soccer player, I'm not sure if this is a truly amazing shot vs. completely inept goalkeeper?  Probably both?

95 yard goal in SMU vs. Tulsa match:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=16244517&ch=&src=news (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=16244517&ch=&src=news)

I'd say neither is more likely than both.  First, it almost certainly was not a shot - he had a teammate racing forward (briefly visible in the first showing); he badly over-led him.  The goalie was simply the victim of an incredibly fluky bounce (though he probably should have backed up a bit once the ball was in the air).

[The first goal I ever scored was similarly fluky (but didn't make ABC News :'() - I was attempting a pass to a teammate streaking forward, and accidentally put it in the upper left corner of the goal.  Idiot that I am, I even blurted out that it was intended as a pass! :o ;D]

Well... right.  It surely was not intended as a shot, but it goes in the books as such.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 27, 2009, 06:47:51 pm
Very infrequent poster to the soccer boards and I'm not sure the best place to post this.  Since I'm not a soccer player, I'm not sure if this is a truly amazing shot vs. completely inept goalkeeper?  Probably both?

95 yard goal in SMU vs. Tulsa match:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=16244517&ch=&src=news (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=16244517&ch=&src=news)

I'd say neither is more likely than both.  First, it almost certainly was not a shot - he had a teammate racing forward (briefly visible in the first showing); he badly over-led him.  The goalie was simply the victim of an incredibly fluky bounce (though he probably should have backed up a bit once the ball was in the air).

[The first goal I ever scored was similarly fluky (but didn't make ABC News :'() - I was attempting a pass to a teammate streaking forward, and accidentally put it in the upper left corner of the goal.  Idiot that I am, I even blurted out that it was intended as a pass! :o ;D]

Well... right.  It surely was not intended as a shot, but it goes in the books as such.

Right ... as does mine (if we had books!) ;D

Bottom line - he and I both became heroes on really bad passes! :o ::)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mugsy on October 27, 2009, 11:26:53 pm
Very infrequent poster to the soccer boards and I'm not sure the best place to post this.  Since I'm not a soccer player, I'm not sure if this is a truly amazing shot vs. completely inept goalkeeper?  Probably both?

95 yard goal in SMU vs. Tulsa match:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=16244517&ch=&src=news (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=16244517&ch=&src=news)

I'd say neither is more likely than both.  First, it almost certainly was not a shot - he had a teammate racing forward (briefly visible in the first showing); he badly over-led him.  The goalie was simply the victim of an incredibly fluky bounce (though he probably should have backed up a bit once the ball was in the air).

[The first goal I ever scored was similarly fluky (but didn't make ABC News :'() - I was attempting a pass to a teammate streaking forward, and accidentally put it in the upper left corner of the goal.  Idiot that I am, I even blurted out that it was intended as a pass! :o ;D]

Well... right.  It surely was not intended as a shot, but it goes in the books as such.

Right ... as does mine (if we had books!) ;D

Bottom line - he and I both became heroes on really bad passes! :o ::)

Better than not being a hero at all...
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on October 31, 2009, 12:17:45 am
Presuming NP wins @ NCC, the 11/1 games will be interesting.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 31, 2009, 12:37:41 pm
Presuming NP wins @ NCC, the 11/1 games will be interesting.

Don't assume anything this season where NPU is considered, Mark. The Vikings have been very up-and-down the entire campaign.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: petemcb on November 07, 2009, 11:10:21 am
So, will anybody on the board be at tonight's championship at Elmhurst?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: petemcb on November 07, 2009, 11:10:57 am
Better question:  is anybody ON the board?   ::)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2009, 11:15:11 pm
The CCIW site has the women's title result (Augie 1, IWU 0 :(), but still nothing for the men. 

Anyone know the outcome?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Thunder Dutch on November 08, 2009, 12:42:33 am
Wheaton wins in PKs, after finishing regular time 2-2.

Ryan Seager blocks 3 pks in the shootout


http://athletics.wheaton.edu/news/2009/11/7/MSOC_elmhurstCCIW.aspx?path=msoccer
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on April 14, 2010, 01:38:45 pm
I have been told that a Swedish friend of Grahn who is more talented than Grahn will play for the Vikings next fall.

Also, look for one or two former Viking defensive specialists to return to the squad while pursuing graduate degrees.  Not sure what the NCAA rule is on this.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 14, 2010, 04:15:17 pm
I have been told that a Swedish friend of Grahn who is more talented than Grahn will play for the Vikings next fall.

Also, look for one or two former Viking defensive specialists to return to the squad while pursuing graduate degrees.  Not sure what the NCAA rule is on this.

It's within both NCAA and CCIW rules for a graduate student to compete in athletics. I can think of three CCIW examples of grad student-athletes from within the past few years, all in men's basketball: Ed Whitaker of NPU and Kent Raymond and Ben Panner, both of Wheaton.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on April 15, 2010, 12:07:34 pm
In specific, how much time can elapse between your first competitive season and the completion of your fourth year of competition in the same sport?

At the DI level, a case can be made for six years, but no more.  Someone has a RS year and then subsequently takes a year off because she got pregnant.  I wouldn't think DIII rules would give someone more than six years but am not sure.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 15, 2010, 03:50:15 pm
There is no eligibility clock in D3. You are allowed ten semesters / fifteen quarters of full-time enrollment in which to use your four seasons of eligibility, and those semesters or quarters do not have to be consecutive. For instance, you can be a full-time student for four years and play your sport in three of those years, take three years off of school, and then come back as a 24-year-old and play as a senior.

That's why Austin College was able to use a 61-year-old kicker (http://www.kxii.com/sports/headlines/70126607.html) in a football game last season.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on April 16, 2010, 08:52:51 am
I have been told that a Swedish friend of Grahn who is more talented than Grahn will play for the Vikings next fall.

Also, look for one or two former Viking defensive specialists to return to the squad while pursuing graduate degrees.  Not sure what the NCAA rule is on this.

Mark - have you been told his position?

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 05, 2010, 04:18:59 pm
The CCIW coaches have picked Elmhurst to repeat this fall. (http://www.cciw.org/fall_soccer_m/2010preseasonmspoll.php)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on August 13, 2010, 09:59:32 pm
I wonder who gave North Park its first place vote.

Is Elmhurst for real?  In other words, how many top starters return this year to defend their first-ever crown?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 14, 2010, 03:22:29 pm
I wonder who gave North Park its first place vote.

Is Elmhurst for real?  In other words, how many top starters return this year to defend their first-ever crown?

Elmhurst returns ten starters this year.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 30, 2010, 09:52:54 am
It looks like the NPU roster is in the process of being updated:

http://northpark.edu/Athletics/Mens-Sports/Soccer/Roster

Greg - are you broadcasting home games this year?  I think you previously mentioned that possibility.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 30, 2010, 08:38:45 pm
NPU is going to have live webcasts this year for soccer as well as basketball. But I don't know who will be broadcasting for the booters; I haven't been asked to do so. I presume that John Born is looking for someone who can say "Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooal!" in one breath like the guy from Telemundo. ;)

NPU has 37 players listed on the roster this season. For the first time, the Vikings will field a junior varsity team reserve side. Nine of the 37 are Swedes, which is great -- there always seems to be a direct correlation between the number of Swedes on the NPU roster and the success of the team. I hope that it transfers over to the North Park golf team, of which eight of this year's sixteen players will be Swedes. They're talking about having their own intrasquad Ryder Cup. And word has it that NPU's Swedish golfers all dress as crazily as Jesper Parnevik.

I doubt that North Park has had this many Swedes on campus since Woodrow Wilson was in the White House. Why settle for Swedish-Americans to play the sports in which the sons of Svea excel when you can get the real thing, eh, Gotberg? ;) Now if we could only add hockey, biathlon, and bandy as varsity sports ...
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on September 20, 2010, 11:29:27 am
Greg scoooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrre ssss.  The Swedes fared very well in the golf tournament, which NP won and broke a school record.  I'd like to know if Coach Brenegan is actually recruiting overseas or are these guys coming over based on word of mouth? 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 20, 2010, 02:54:19 pm
I'll have to ask him the next time that I see him. I'm pretty sure that North Park isn't paying Paul Brenegan to go over to Sweden to recruit golfers. John Born has been to Sweden for recruiting purposes, but I'm not sure that he does it every year. Gotberg will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that the preponderance of Swedes that the NPU soccer program has had over the years has more to do with Born's having built up recruiting contacts over there and his using those contacts to help draw good players. NPU has good word-of-mouth over in Sweden, because the city of Chicago is such a great draw for international students who want to study business (NPU's international business major has been the preferred choice of study over the years among Vikings soccer players who hail from the homeland). The fact that Tre Kronor is across the street from the campus probably doesn't hurt, either, as Chicago Blackhawks defenseman Niklas Hjalmarsson has attested. (http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=resources/lifestyle_community/food/restaurants&id=7661605)

I'm very impressed with the NPU soccer team's new crop of Swedes. Sehten Hills, who is actually a Liberian by way of Sweden, has been starting at striker, but the two newcomers that have really wowed me are midfielder Filip Lindmark and defender Hannes Granlund, the latter of whom was the CCIW's Defensive Player of the Week last week. Lindmark's from Skovde and Granlund's from Trollhattan, which I mention because Mark Erickson and Gotberg may actually know where those two towns are located in Sweden. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on September 21, 2010, 09:13:37 pm
We've got a NPU grad coming up to cover the Wheaton/North Park.  We'll be putting is work on the front page that evening - even if North Park wins ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on September 22, 2010, 11:50:44 pm
Anyone see the NP game tonight?  Seems like a solid matchup and a good win for the Vikings.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on September 22, 2010, 11:55:39 pm
From the box score I see that Grahn put the game away on a free kick in the 85th minute.  Looks like Sehten Hills continues his target practice (5 shots on goal!).  Must have been an exciting match. 
But what's up with that red card in the 89th minute??
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 23, 2010, 08:15:47 am
Anyone see the NP game tonight?  Seems like a solid matchup and a good win for the Vikings.

I watched a bit of the video stream.  It seemed like NP dominated play for the first 66 minutes, then it was pretty much even for the final 24.  I believe Hills hit the crossbar twice, but kind of hard to tell by the stream.

The new players this year from Sweden are really fantastic and assuming they stay for the remainder of their eligibility, NP looks to be in fanastic shape for the next several years.

I was away from the computer when the red card occured, so can't speak to what happened.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 23, 2010, 12:27:48 pm
NPU did indeed dominate the match for the first two-thirds of it, as Gotberg said. A lot of that has to do with Aurora's style, which is defense-oriented and predicated upon counterattacking, but most of it was simply North Park's superior ball-handling and passing ability, which was really spotlighted in this game. Special notice should be given to freshman defender Hannes Granlund's uncanny ability to make accurate airborne cross-field passes that started several NPU rushes. The reason why play evened out in the last third had a lot to do with NPU getting frustrated -- the Vikings had chance after chance after chance, and just couldn't finish -- and pressing too hard, and Aurora patiently waiting until those good counterattacking opportunities arose.

The winning goal, which came with five minutes left on a Kris Grahn free kick from 23 yards out, was a thing of beauty. Aurora's wall didn't completely block out the net, so he rocketed the ball just past the left arm of the Spartan on the far right side of the wall, and buried it in the extreme right side of the net.

The red card was just an inexcusably dumb play on NPU sophomore midfielder Chad Latka's part. With the clock ticking down under ten seconds left in the match and NPU having buried the Spartans deep in the far corner of the AU end of the field, Latka had a throw-in that he flung straight into the chest of the Spartan who was defending the throw-in, bouncing it off of him like a basketball player attempting to save a ball going out of bounds by throwing it at an opponent's legs. It was not only unsportsmanlike, it was completely unnecessary. With five seconds left in the match, how in the world is Aurora going to intercept the throw-in, get it from the corner at their end all the way down to the other end of the field, and score a goal, anyway?

His name isn't in the box score, but junior midfielder Ryan McNaughton made his first appearance of the year for the Vikings, coming off the bench to spell freshman Oskar Joelsson for a second-half stint. That was great to see; McNaughton, who has been fighting a quad injury, is a big piece to the puzzle for NPU.

Aurora's a good team. This was a strong win for the Vikings, who now get a respite until their big Homecoming match a week from tomorrow night against preseason CCIW favorite Elmhurst.

Pietist, you're much too young a North Park alumnus to be calling it "NP" like the oldsters who refuse to acknowledge the "U" part of the school's name. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on September 24, 2010, 05:48:02 am
Pietist, you're much too young a North Park alumnus to be calling it "NP" like the oldsters who refuse to acknowledge the "U" part of the school's name. ;)

No, just slightly too young.  NP went from a "C" to a "U" the year before I arrived, I believe.  And I saw plenty of basketball games before my college days!  In fact, old enough to remember a certain guy standing up from the old bleachers on the baseline starting the "Hail North Park" cheer.   ;) N-P-C!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on September 24, 2010, 09:28:38 am
Talk about old...that certain guy!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 24, 2010, 01:27:18 pm
Whatever happened to that certain guy, anyway? They must've had him committed or something.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on September 24, 2010, 05:44:08 pm
Well, I'm not sure WHAT happened to him, because is a great supporter (now) of both his alma mater's successful soccer program, and this fine soccer message board.

Rock on buddy!!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 24, 2010, 06:18:19 pm
Thanks, Jim. But if you had told me back in the day that at some future date I'd be described as a "great supporter" of my alma mater's soccer team (or of anybody else's alma mater's soccer team, for that matter), I would've told you that you needed to be committed. ;) And I say that as someone who had a lot of friends on those early Hakes-era NPC soccer teams.

Not that I'm complaining. Naturally, I've found the sport more interesting because NPU is good at it, but becoming a regular at Vikings matches over the past dozen or so years has also helped me to at least know what everybody is talking about whenever I'm around my soccer-fan friends.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on September 28, 2010, 09:15:46 pm
I knew I should've gone to that Calvin-Hope game!  Dang it!

Ok, so for one who has to follow CCIW action from the other side of the Lake, I have a few questions:

1. What's up with Carthage?  I see they knocked off Elmhurst and have a couple other decent wins under their belt.  Are they a serious CCIW contender?
2. Can Wheaton bounce back to get a tourney bid (assuming they don't get a Pool A bid) after such a skid as this?  Their strength of schedule rivals any, but 7 winless games in a row....

And finally...will someone please beat Dominican?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 28, 2010, 10:49:49 pm
Hard to get a read on Carthage. Hard to get a read on Elmhurst, too, for that matter. Carthage does have some nice wins, and most of the Red Men's four losses have been to respectable programs, but the loss to lowly St. Norbert is a real head-scratcher. Carthage also lost to Chicago, 2-0, and Chicago lost to Elmhurst today, so ...

I'm not as familiar with the ins and outs of Pool C in soccer as I am in basketball, so I can't answer that question about Wheaton. All I can say is that I'm very impressed with the schedule that the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance is playing. Sure, they've gone seven matches in a row without a win, but they've included contests against the #1, #2, #3, #4, and #7 teams in the Central Region and the top two teams in the Great Lakes Region. Wheaton's 1-4-2 in those contests, but I gotta figure that the Orange and Blue will be better prepared for CCIW play than anybody else. Besides, this is not the sport in which I think it pays to underestimate Wheaton.

And finally...will someone please beat Dominican?

The Stars do look pretty close to unbeatable at this point, don't they?

Congrats to NPU keeper Tim Ahlberg upon being named CCIW Defensive Player of the Week, BTW.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on September 28, 2010, 11:43:38 pm
To really be considered for anything post-season, the Thunder will have to win out.  That won't be easy because they have to play the conference schedule.  They also have to play a very under-rated UW-Oshkosh team.

Probably not a great year for the toughest schedule in the country as they are a very young team.

Elmhurst and North Park will be around at the end and at this point, they should be the top two contenders for the title.

But as Greg said, weirder things have happened than Wheaton scraping by all season and then winning the CCIW Tourney in OT...
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 01, 2010, 07:13:46 am
It doesn't get any easier for Wheaton this next week either...playing UW Oshkosh (8-0-1) and then Elmhurst for their 1st CCIW game.  Should be interesting.  If Wheaton can't bounce back and win some games, they'll have to rely on winning the CCIW tourney (which is always a possibility) in order to make a post-season run.  If they do manage to bounce back, that'll put Elmhurst with 2 (hopefully 3!) conference losses to start, putting them on a must-win track in order to make the conference tourney.
It's the CCIW--anything can happen.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 01, 2010, 09:00:51 pm
Anyone have news on the NP-EC game?  The live webcast won't work on my Mac!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 01, 2010, 10:44:37 pm
Anyone have news on the NP-EC game?  The live webcast won't work on my Mac!

NP 2
Elmhurst 0

Goals scored by Kriticos and Hills
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 01, 2010, 10:54:19 pm
Thanks, Gotberg.
Looking forward to hearing more about the game.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on October 02, 2010, 02:09:59 am
I watched most of the second half.  NP led 1-0 when I arrived.  Both teams had opportunities in the second half...Elmhurst hit the crossbar and NP missed a golden opportunity on the side.  Elmhurst's defense was not even 10 yards close to the scorer who was close enough to juke the goalie. Complete defensive breakdown...or a great offensive scheme.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 02, 2010, 08:26:59 am
I see Wheaton lost 1-0 to Oshkosh last night.  53 fouls and 7 YCs!  The Thunder must be getting pretty frustrated at this point.  Likely Elmhurst isn't so happy about coming out 0-2 in the CCIW either.
Should be a great match on Wed: 2 teams fighting to regain their dignity.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 03, 2010, 08:17:02 am
NPU won 2-0 on Friday night, but it was an evenly-matched game in terms of opportunities. Shots on goal and corner kicks were pretty even, and both teams had some very good opportunities. The difference in the game, I thought, was NPU's sophomore keeper Tim Ahlberg, who really had a terrific match for the Vikings, and NPU freshman midfielder Filip Lindmark's physical presence.

James Kriticos headed in a Lindmark corner kick early in the first half, and although both teams had their chances it was starting to appear as though that was going to be the only goal either team got. The second goal, late in the game, came on a combination of great NPU hustle, poor Elmhurst defense, and, perhaps, a case of the EC coach outthinking himself. As the second half stretched past its halfway point he took out six of his starters in an attempt to rest them for a final push. It was while the six Bluejays reserves were in the game that, in the 81st minute, Lindmark kicked the ball into Elmhurst's near corner. Gotberg, who was sitting next to me, said, "Smart move. Run out some clock." But Kris Grahn wasn't content to simply tie up the ball in the corner as a stall tactic. He outran two Bluejays, retrieved the ball in the corner, flipped it back to Lindmark, who then centered it to a wide-open Sehten Hills, who was standing in front of the Elmhurst goal all by himself. I thought for a split second that he'd muff it up, he was so wide open, but he slipped the ball past Elmhurst keeper Sebastian Domczewski's left to ice the game.

Elmhurst picked up two yellow cards in the match that were a result of Bluejays grabbing Lindmark and pulling him down to the turf. They were seriously afraid of his playmaking abilities. He's quite a remarkable find for the NPU soccer program.

Combined with Augustana's surprising win over Carthage on Saturday, this win appears to put NPU in the driver's seat in the CCIW. However, there's an awful lot of soccer that remains to be played. The Vikings can't afford a letup in Bloomington on Wednesday.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 06, 2010, 04:15:12 pm
Congrats to NPU freshman Hannes Granlund upon being named the CCIW's Defensive Player of the Week for the second time this season. I didn't realize until I read the press release that he played the entire match against Elmhurst while suffering from the stomach flu. Wow.

NPU has moved up to #4 in the Central Region in this week's NSCAA rankings. Elmhurst drops to #10.

Incidentally, the only CCIW team to receive votes in the latest d3soccer.com poll is ... Elmhurst? I don't get that at all. The poll covers games played thru Sunday, and NPU defeated Elmhurst 2-0 two days earlier to take over first place in the league. And if you're arguing that Elmhurst has the better overall resume, you're talking about a 6-5 team (the Bluejays) getting votes while the 6-2 team (the Vikings) isn't.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 06, 2010, 10:30:44 pm
Looks like Wheaton decided they didn't want another winless month and took it to Elmhurst tonight 3-0.  Rough start for Elmhurst in conference play, I would imagine that'll guarantee they won't get votes the next time around in the d3soccer.com poll.

Does this end Elmhurst's hopes to even make the tournament?  It'll sure be tough from here on out I would imagine.

North Park left Bloomington with a draw (1-1).  Hopefully they'll be able to find the net a few more times this weekend when Wheaton heads to Holmgren field. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 06, 2010, 11:29:51 pm
Congrats, Wheaton.  Elmhurst...whoa.
Looks like NP continues to have trouble putting away the CCIW teams they "should" beat.  At least, that's been an issue in the past. 
The rankings are screwed up.  Perhaps better that the Park stays off the national list.  That tends to be short lived and a recipe for a quick loss.  But its a shame that the CCIW isn't represented in the national rankings--usually we can at least count on Wheaton to bear that buden.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: DIIIdad on October 07, 2010, 12:18:09 pm
But its a shame that the CCIW isn't represented in the national rankings--usually we can at least count on Wheaton to bear that buden.


The women of the CCIW are representing well with 3 teams in the top 10 - IWU at 4, Augie at 6 and Wheaton at 10.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 07, 2010, 02:32:02 pm
North Park left Bloomington with a draw (1-1).  Hopefully they'll be able to find the net a few more times this weekend when Wheaton heads to Holmgren field. 

The house will be rocking, I can guarantee that. NPU students have even launched a Facebook page promoting Saturday night's WC @ NPU match. I expect to see a lot of blue and gold body paint and hear a whole lotta noise on Saturday.

Looks like NP continues to have trouble putting away the CCIW teams they "should" beat.

It looks as though it must've been a very frustrating evening for the Park. NPU had a penalty kick that didn't beat the keeper and a crossbar shot in the first half, but the Vikings didn't even score until the last ten minutes of regulation. However, the Vikings got off a bunch of shots at the Titans net in the two overtimes, while IWU didn't even get off one shot -- but NPU just couldn't bring it home.

Perhaps better that the Park stays off the national list.  That tends to be short lived and a recipe for a quick loss.

That's fine with me, too. Better to be the hunter than the hunted.

But its a shame that the CCIW isn't represented in the national rankings--usually we can at least count on Wheaton to bear that buden.

It's just not a soccer league -- at least not yet. Throughout most of CCIW history soccer was a sport that was basically ignored by all but one member school. The league didn't even sponsor soccer as an official sport until 1988, which really tells you something when you consider that the league was founded in 1946. Heck, when the CCIW started playing soccer in '88 it was only a six-team circuit; Carthage didn't even field a men's soccer team until 1995, and Elmhurst didn't add one until 2004. Wheaton was a national soccer powerhouse in spite of its CCIW membership, not because of it, which is a weird thing to consider if you follow this league and know how good it tends to be on a national basis in multiple sports. Wheaton could basically sleepwalk its way through the league for years; the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance lost only one CCIW match in the first fifteen years that the league offered the sport. NPU's ascendancy in the middle of the last decade ended that, and Carthage and Elmhurst -- ironically, the two latecomers to soccer -- have each won a CCIW title since then as well.

But there just isn't the tradition here that there is in other leagues, aside from Wheaton, and I think we have more of a situation in which Wheaton has fallen back to the pack a bit as a program rather than NPU, Carthage, Elmhurst, or anybody else rising up to join the orange and blue at a higher level. However, Jim might disagree with me about that, and he's the CCIW guru when it comes to this sport.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on October 08, 2010, 09:56:43 am
I know Wheaton recruited a teammate of mine who was a year behind me.  He was all-state his senior year (1982), and I believe Wheaton won a national championship at some point during his undergraduate years.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 08, 2010, 11:25:07 am
Wheaton won the national championship in 1984.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on October 08, 2010, 11:39:01 am
They also won a national title in 1997 and were national finalists in 2006.

This year they are exceptionally young, having started nine freshmen at one time or another.  Playing the toughest schedule in the country (according to the NCAA) hasn't helped in the win loss column, but these kids are becoming battle tested and could still go on a run.

North Park is the team to beat this year.  Interesting matchup at North Park on Saturday will tell us a lot.  Regardless, the future looks bright.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 08, 2010, 07:32:16 pm
They also won a national title in 1997 and were national finalists in 2006.

I know. I was just responding to Mark's comment, since he wasn't sure which year his former teammate helped win the Big Doorstop for Wheaton.

This year they are exceptionally young, having started nine freshmen at one time or another.  Playing the toughest schedule in the country (according to the NCAA) hasn't helped in the win loss column, but these kids are becoming battle tested and could still go on a run.

That, plus Wheaton's reputation, is why every NPU fan is wary about tomorrow evening's matchup.

North Park is the team to beat this year.  Interesting matchup at North Park on Saturday will tell us a lot.  Regardless, the future looks bright.

... for both programs, I'd say, given what NPU's freshmen and sophomores have contributed to the success of the Vikings this season.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 09, 2010, 10:14:59 pm
Anyone have NP v WC results/wrap-up?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: radchii on October 09, 2010, 11:27:35 pm
The CCIW.org website has Wheaton 3 and North Park 1.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 10, 2010, 06:59:32 am
Looks like it was an exciting match.  I hope some of you have some commentary.  I see that Wheaton's Golz not only had 2 goals but 2 yellows, getting tossed at the end of the game right after his 2nd goal.  What's up with that?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 10, 2010, 06:26:56 pm
Looks like it was an exciting match.  I hope some of you have some commentary.  I see that Wheaton's Golz not only had 2 goals but 2 yellows, getting tossed at the end of the game right after his 2nd goal.  What's up with that?

I logged off my computer right after Wheaton's 3rd goal, but based on your description I would assume the Wheaton player took his shirt off in celebration of the goal.  That's an immediate yellow card.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: oldtrafford on October 11, 2010, 09:41:22 am
Second Yellow was for the celebration....Elmhurst drops a non-conference game to Lake Forest? that's not going to sit well with mr. coach.  time to start worrying about the remainder of the season?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on October 11, 2010, 04:58:43 pm
Don't look now, but Wheaton looks ready to sweep the conference and get the AQ. Carthage could be a road block, but I predict the young Wheaton squad will come of age after the grueling schedule they played and make to the National tournament with the AQ.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 12, 2010, 08:33:36 am
Don't look now, but Wheaton looks ready to sweep the conference and get the AQ. Carthage could be a road block, but I predict the young Wheaton squad will come of age after the grueling schedule they played and make to the National tournament with the AQ.

Don't count out the conference tourney.  Anything can happen.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 12, 2010, 01:13:17 pm
Anyone have NP v WC results/wrap-up?

NPU made three mistakes in the game. Each one was a bad one, and each one led to a Wheaton goal. The first came early in the first half, when NPU keeper Tim Ahlberg gave up a rebound by failing to catch a shot that hit him in the chest. Wheaton banged home the rebound for a goal. The second came later on in the half when an NPU defenseman whom I won't name let a Wheaton attacker slip past him and a Wheaton midfielder hit the forward with a perfect pass. The forward, however, who had a clear breakaway, lost control of the ball and the attack momentarily appeared to be a missed opportunity for the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance. However, the NPU defenseman tackled him anyway, and since he was in the crease it led to a Wheaton penalty shot. Wheaton banged that one home, too.

The third mistake was one of the most ghastly errors I've ever seen in a soccer match. Own goals I can understand, as they're usually inadvertent. But on this occasion, with the last few minutes of the game ticking down and NPU pressing to tie the game, the Vikings really blew it in a major way. NPU got a free kick in its own end, and everybody cleared out towards the other end except for one NPU defenseman (who, again, shall remain nameless -- but it was a different one than the one whose mistake led to the second goal) and one Wheaton forward who was there for forechecking purpises. Inexplicably, rather than boot it down the field, the defenseman passed the ball over to Ahlberg, who then, equally inexplicably, kicked the ball twenty yards downfield straight to the Wheaton forward, who then had a ridiculously easy lope to the goal for the third Wheaton score.

Wheaton, by contrast, made no defensive mistakes at all. NPU's goal was purely earned on an amazing play by freshman Filip Lindmark -- he weaved through three Wheaton defenders with a breathtaking combination of speed and razzle-dazzle footwork, then placed a shot perfectly into the near side of the net where the Wheaton keeper could not make a play on it. The only mistakes Wheaton made were the aforementioned second yellow card and a couple of offsides on potential second-half breakaways when NPU was pressing to try to tie the game, offsides that really weren't necessary in order for Wheaton to get the odd-man rush. Ultimately, Wheaton didn't need either missed opportunity; NPU did all the work in handing the Wheaties the opportunities necessary for the visitors to win the match.

Wheaton looked every bit the team that has been hardened physically and mentally by the nation's toughest schedule. NPU played Wheaton evenly but made those mistakes that cost it the game.

It was a very disheartening loss in front of such a large and raucous crowd, and one can only hope that the Vikings will get a chance to see Wheaton again in the conference tournament and atone for it.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 12, 2010, 01:23:43 pm
Getting to the conference tourney may be easier said than done for NPU, though. The Vikings are a M*A*S*H unit right now. Lindmark sat out last night's match against Berry; I'm not sure about his current health status. Kris Grahn and Sehten Hills both had to leave last night's match against Berry because of leg injuries, and both sat out the second half. Hills could barely walk; it took him about ten minutes to cross from one side of the Holmgren Athletic Complex to the other. Mike Herbst and Hannes Granlund also came up gimpy. John Born basically decided to concede the match early on in the second half, with NPU trailing 1-0, by taking out his starters one-by-one in an attempt to keep any more of them from getting hurt.

NPU has to travel to Augie on Saturday, and Augie has been a thorn in NPU's side on the soccer pitch far too often in the past. I just hope that the Park can get healthy for this one, because a loss could really make things dicey in terms of qualifying for the CCIW tourney.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on October 14, 2010, 08:46:43 am
Even though North Park didn't get it done this time, I hope you all enjoyed the front page story.  A good take on the rivalry, well written by a NPU grad/player.

There is more to this story!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 14, 2010, 02:05:07 pm
It's an excellent recap, Jim. Everybody ought to go to the d3soccer.com front page and read it. My only quibble is that Derrick didn't mention that Connelly's foul on Musgraves that led to the Wheaton score on the penalty kick was unnecessary, given that Musgraves had already lost the ball.

I was surprised to learn that Wheaton's players take the NPU soccer program this seriously. Surprised, and grateful, because as I've said so often on this website it's not really a rivalry unless both sides take part in it, and it seems to me that Wheaton is now actually beginning to share some of the intensity that will make it at long last a genuine rivalry. As every Parker knows, Wheaton has a long tradition of not taking NPU seriously with regard to anything, which is part of the reason why Parkers loathe Wheaton so passionately. (That was true even when North Park was a basketball powerhouse and Wheaton was a mediocrity in that sport; my lingering memory of Wheaton students at the NPC @ WC games during the 1980s is that they'd basically sit there and talk to their friends and not pay any attention to the game, while the North Park students screamed their heads off and carried on.) But when Wheaton soccer greats like Stephen Rigby and Justin Risma give NPU props by saying that their intensity was dialed up when they faced the Vikings, you know that at long last the Park is finally getting under some orange-and-blue skin.

John Born's description of NPU being the little brother in this rivalry is apt. It's just nice to know that big brother is now forced to pay attention to his upstart sibling.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 17, 2010, 08:14:21 am
According to the Augie website, it looks like North Park took out the frustrations of two straight losses (one of which was to Wheaton!) on the other Vikings. 5-0

http://www.augustana.edu/x22497.xml  (http://www.augustana.edu/x22497.xml)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 17, 2010, 05:37:47 pm
Big, big win on the road for a banged-up NPU team that needed to stop its slide. Lindmark, Hills, and Grahn not only played, the former two each scored a pair of goals and the latter had three assists. Good to see freshman Effy Restrepo, who is reviving North Park's missionary-kid tradition (the Vikings used to have a lot of MKs on the soccer team back in the day) notch the first goal of his career as well.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 17, 2010, 11:01:56 pm
Big, big win on the road for a banged-up NPU team that needed to stop its slide. Lindmark, Hills, and Grahn not only played, the former two each scored a pair of goals and the latter had three assists. Good to see freshman Effy Restrepo, who is reviving North Park's missionary-kid tradition (the Vikings used to have a lot of MKs on the soccer team back in the day) notch the first goal of his career as well.

Considering that Augie was 2-0 going in, and the game was in RI, that IS an impressive bounce-back!  Congratulations!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 18, 2010, 09:39:43 am
Great win for NP this weekend.  Good to put away a team like that.

I missed the cover story on d3soccer.com
How do I find it now?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 18, 2010, 01:29:06 pm
Great win for NP this weekend.  Good to put away a team like that.

I missed the cover story on d3soccer.com
How do I find it now?

As with all scrolled-out front-page stories, it's moved over to the Notables section (http://www.d3soccer.com/notables/), Rev. I-Didn't-Go-To-A-University. ;) :D

Tomorrow NPU is going to travel north of the border to take on #12 UW-Whitewater (10-0-2) before returning to Holmgren Athletic Complex on Saturday for the 7:30 pm culmination of a tripleheader that'll feature a football game against Augustana, a women's soccer game against Millikin, and a men's soccer game against Millikin.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 19, 2010, 08:19:34 am
Nice article.  Glad to see that NP is finally a big game for Wheaton.  We tried so hard to make it a viable rivalry when I was a Viking (yes, Greg, in the early "U" days) but for the most part, our seething hatred for the Crusunders was met with confused looks: "N-P-who?"  It didn't help, of course, that Wheaton was far superior in every sport.  However, what the Vikings lacked in wins in the late 90s they made up for in fan support.  I seem to remember fan buses to Wheaton ensuring that NP fans outnumbered Wheaton's on their home turf.  I doubt that's possible anymore.
That 2004 NP win at Wheaton was a wake-up call to a long-dominant Wheaton program--and one of the most exciting games I've ever attended.  At long last, we have a rivalry.

And Greg, for the record, I was at enough games "in the olden days" to refrain from using the U.  In fact, I have an official NPC Alumni sticker on the back of my car (I bought the car from a friend!)  But I prefer the 2-letter moniker.  And let this be a word of warning to you: don't ever criticize a minister's brevity--you may not like what you get in return!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on October 19, 2010, 11:57:55 am
I'm a newcomer to CCIW soccer, though I've long followed other sports.  Can someone provide a brief synopsis of how the D3 playoffs work.  In particular, how are teams selected for the various districts.  It appears that the CCIW champion wll go to the Central district.  The same may be said for the MIAA champion. Dominican appears to be a lock.  What other conferences or states constitute this district?  Are there any early thoughts on who else might be selected?  And is there any shot of the CCIW getting two teams in (I doubt it...)?

Finally, can anyone knock off Dominican?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on October 19, 2010, 12:35:22 pm
augie77, welcome!

The summary is this: most conferences have tourneys for the AQ (the automatic berth in the post-season), while a few do not.  MIAA awards their AQ to the regular season winner - at least they did that last year.  The Regions come into play with regard to the Pool C consideration, although there is also a national component to this.

The NCAA Regional Rankings will be out on Wednesday.  This will give us our first look at who is in consideration for a Pool C berth (at-large).  By the third week of this poll, it will be safe to assume that no one who is not on this list will have a shot at a Pool C berth.

The CCIW has little chance (in my opinion) of getting two programs in the post-season.  Wheaton is playing well now and certainly has a strong SOS (strength of schedule), but I see no one else stepping up.  Elmhurst is having a down year, for instance.  But we'll see what we see tomorrow from the NCAA.  If we see two CCIW programs in the top 8 or so, that would be a good sign.

The NCAA release will be on the front page of our site, as well as available on the NCAA site.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on October 19, 2010, 12:37:43 pm
Oh, and yes, someone can knock off Dominican.  Concordia-Wisconsin played them to a draw.  But they are a good team that usually has no trouble scoring.

I think that you have a great bunch in Dominican, Whitewater, Oshkosh, and Wash U, if you are considering some of the logical post-season possibilities.  Don't count out Wheaton or Chicago for an upset team either.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 19, 2010, 05:00:59 pm
Congrats to NPU senior midfielder James Kriticos upon being named CCIW Defensive Player of the Week. He's the third Viking to win that award thus far this year.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 19, 2010, 10:07:40 pm
NPU 2
UW-W 1

Grahn with both NP goals.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 19, 2010, 11:47:30 pm
Excellent! A big road win for NPU! UWW came into the match undefeated and ranked eighth in the country!

(UWW is also currently #1 in the North Region; North Park came in to tonight's match ranked #4 in the Central Region.)

Grahn's game-winner came two minutes and change into overtime. The two goals that the Vikings scored tonight are as many as anyone has scored against the Warhawks all season long.

Looks like the Vikings have shrugged off that bad week they had and have righted the ship.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 20, 2010, 12:11:18 am
Congrats to NP on a huge win!

Greg, now you've got me in a puzzler.  Did IWU precipitate the 'hell week' for NP, or just benefit from it? ;)  I saw the Titan women play during my homecoming weekend - they have (IMO) a legitimate (albeit, outside) chance of going all-the-way.  But the men played during the time I had an already paid-for $35 reunion dinner, so I have no idea whether or not they are for real! :D

History tells me they are probably not, but the women never used to be good at soccer OR basketball. :P
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 20, 2010, 09:19:42 am
UWW came into the match undefeated and ranked eighth in the country!

Ahem!  Greg, UWW was actually bumped up to 6th this week (I relish any opportunity to correct the statistical wizard).  Big win for the Vikings--let's hope that carries into conference play this week to ensure their place in the CCIW tourney.  The road to the postseason goes through Wheaton (it always does!).
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 20, 2010, 04:21:01 pm
Greg, now you've got me in a puzzler.  Did IWU precipitate the 'hell week' for NP, or just benefit from it? ;)

Precipitated it, I'd say. I talked to a couple of people close to the NPU program after the match at IWU, and they told me that there was a lot of frustrated Vikings players and coaches afterwards. They definitely felt as though the Titans were a team that they should've beaten, and expected to beat, and that they were just stymied by crossbar-hitting misses, a hot Titans keeper, etc.

I doubt that the frustration bled into or in any way affected the Wheaton match -- I cannot imagine an NPU soccer player thinking about anything besides Wheaton when it comes time to face the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance -- but that tie against the Titans was definitely the first in a series of letdowns for the Park.

UWW came into the match undefeated and ranked eighth in the country!

Ahem!  Greg, UWW was actually bumped up to 6th this week (I relish any opportunity to correct the statistical wizard)

Not according to this. (http://www.d3soccer.com/top25/2010/week-7/mens)

Big win for the Vikings--let's hope that carries into conference play this week to ensure their place in the CCIW tourney.

Yep ... can't afford a letdown against Millikin on Saturday evening at the corner of Foster and Albany.

The road to the postseason goes through Wheaton (it always does!).

It does look more and more like the CCIW tourney is going to be held at Joe Bean Stadium.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on October 21, 2010, 02:15:35 am
...as it should be, Greg.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 21, 2010, 02:04:11 pm
Revenge is always sweeter when it takes place in the other guy's house, Jim. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 22, 2010, 03:49:10 pm
So in the NCAA rankings that just came out, the CCIW put 2 teams in the top 7 in the Central Region, IWU at #3 and North Park at #4.  Does that mean we have a better shot at putting two teams in the tournament?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 24, 2010, 10:22:45 am
There was a big shift in the standings yesterday, as Augustana dealt Illinois Wesleyan its first conference loss, 2-1. Coupled with NPU's second straight 5-0 romp, this time over Millikin, the standings are now thus:

team  CCIW  overall
Wheaton  5-0-0  8-6-3
North Park  3-1-1  9-4-1
Illinois Wesleyan  3-1-1  6-6-2
Augustana  3-2-0  7-9-1
Carthage  2-2-0  9-6-1
Elmhurst  1-4-0  8-8-0
North Central  0-3-1  5-7-3
Millikin  0-4-1  5-9-1

Wheaton and IWU still have yet to play each other, and the tiebreaker between NPU and IWU would be overall record, so the Vikings look like they're in good shape to claim a first-round home match in the CCIW tourney.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 26, 2010, 01:34:50 pm
Congrats to NPU's Sehten Hills and Ryan McNaughton, as the Vikings swept the CCIW's Player of the Week awards -- Hills is the OPOTW and McNaughton, who was recently moved back to the back line, is the DPOTW. That makes five Vikings who've won POTW awards thus far this season ... and, interestingly, All-CCIW first-teamer Kris Grahn isn't one of them, even though he trails only Hills among the league's leading scorers.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 28, 2010, 12:01:27 am
Wheaton and Augie take wins tonight, cementing their place in the conference tourney.  NP and Carthage end in a draw, meaning they will battle over those last 2 spots with IWU.
With NP and Wheaton both playing winless teams this weekend, it looks as though Carthage and IWU hold their fate in their own hands.  Whoever wins that game keeps their season alive.

Anyone have any commentary on the games tonight?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 28, 2010, 05:20:02 pm
I had a meeting at church, so I didn't see last night's match. I have to think that NPU is pretty disappointed with the tie, especially since it was at home, since it meant that the Vikings haven't clinched a playoff berth yet and may have squandered an opportunity to host a first-round match.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 30, 2010, 10:14:01 pm
NPU beat North Central in Naperville today, as expected, by a score of 3-0. Coupled with Elmhurst's somewhat surprising 1-0 win over Augustana, it means that NPU will host a first-round game after all. NPU will host the winner of tomorrow afternoon's Illinois Wesleyan @ Carthage match, while Wheaton will host Augie. Those semifinal matches will be played on Wednesday, with the championship match at the highest-remaining seed on Saturday.

In essence, Sunday's Illinois Wesleyan @ Carthage tussle is a play-in. Winner survives, loser's season is over.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: pad3fan on October 30, 2010, 11:29:40 pm
Greg, have you accounted for a tie in tomorrow's match? If IW and Carthage tie, they both will have 11 points while Augy will have 12. Will PK's decide a winner then? Further, that winner will still have only 11 points and finish 4th wouldn't they?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 31, 2010, 02:52:49 pm
Yeah, that's a good point. In case of a tie today, I think that NPU hosts Augie. So who would win the fourth and final slot, then, in the event of a draw, since Carthage and IWU come into the match with identical 3-2-1 records?

Here's the CCIW soccer tiebreaking procedure:

Quote
1. Head-to-head competition
2. Goal differential in conference up to 3 points per game.
For example Team A defeats Team B 2-0, Team A shall be awarded 2 tie breaking points. Team C defeats Team D 5-1; Team C is awarded 3 tie-breaking points the maximum allowed.
3. Fewest goals allowed in conference.

Carthage's goal differential in CCIW play is +3 (11-8). Illinois Wesleyan's is -1 (8-9). Since a draw would, naturally, not result in a change in goal differential for either team, Carthage would win the tiebreaker and gain the fourth seed and the right to face Wheaton at Joe Bean Stadium on Wednesday evening.

Thus, IWU needs to win today to keep its season going. Carthage needs a win or a tie to stay alive.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 31, 2010, 08:01:01 pm
Carthage wins 1-0. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on October 31, 2010, 08:50:06 pm
Carthage wins 1-0. 

[sigh]

Ah, well, the Titans have NEVER been particularly good in men's soccer.  The women weren't either until the 2000s, so maybe there is hope.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2010, 02:50:25 pm
Wednesday night's semifinals:

#3 Carthage @ #2 North Park, 7 pm

#4 Augustana @ #1 Wheaton, 7 pm
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 02, 2010, 07:12:14 pm
Congrats to NPU freshman midfielder Mike Herbst upon being named CCIW Offensive Player of the Week. That make seven POTW awards this year for the Vikings, distributed to six different players. No other team won more than three POTWs, and no other team had more than two players named. It really doesn't seem to mean much, as league champion Wheaton only got two POTWs all season; Illinois Wesleyan's the team that won three POTWs, and the Titans didn't even make the CCIW tourney field.

Still, it's a nice recognition -- especially since five of the six players who've won the award for the Vikes this season are non-seniors. When you look at how young both NPU and Wheaton are, you have to think that the rivalry is going to be ratcheted up a few degrees over the next several seasons, since there's a very good chance that they'll be the two teams that are vying for CCIW hegemony.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: FreeScrimp on November 03, 2010, 08:50:51 pm
North Park 1, Carthage 0. Goal by Kriticos about 1/2 way through the first half. It seems to have lit a fire under Carthage; after playing timid and uninspired for the first half of the period, they are now putting the pressure on Park, who can't seem to regain their possession/control style that gave them success for the first 30 minutes.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on November 03, 2010, 09:01:53 pm
And via the North Park announcers 0-0 Wheaton and Augie at the half
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on November 03, 2010, 09:26:25 pm
1-0 Wheaton with about 35 left in the second half
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: FreeScrimp on November 03, 2010, 09:35:20 pm
Grahn adds to Park's lead 10 minutes into the 2nd half. 2-0 North Park over the Redmen. Park's looks reenergized after halftime.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on November 03, 2010, 09:55:49 pm
Final 2-1 Wheaton
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on November 04, 2010, 11:28:20 am
Both of NP's goals were beautiful to see develop.  Carthage had its moments.  The Redmen hit the crossbar once, had two shots fisted over the goal, and the NP goalie laid out to stop a low shot.  Overall, I believe NP dominated between the 20 yard lines and simply hustled more often to get to the ball.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 04, 2010, 02:25:41 pm
As Mark said, the two NPU goals last night were things of beauty. The Vikings were clearly the quicker and more skilled team, and it showed. The problem was that they were also fairly sloppy on the defensive end, particularly in the second half. Carthage got way too many shots off in the latter stanza, and Tim Ahlberg had to work harder than he should've in order to preserve the shutout. While I hate to be the glass-half-full guy, I mention it because Wheaton is not the kind of team that will let you off the hook if you make a mistake in the back half. They proved that in spades in the first NPU/WC matchup, in which all three of their goals came off of blunders by the Park. The Vikings will have to clean it up considerably, especially since they won't have those same quickness and skill advantages against a very talented Wheaton side.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on November 06, 2010, 09:09:40 pm
I appreciate that Wheaton is broadcasting the game over the radio.  However, I do think it is strange they chose to broadcast a choir concert on video and the soccer game on radio only.   ???
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on November 06, 2010, 10:27:32 pm
Agreed, Gotberg!
Listening to the game as I prepare for All Saints Sunday.  1-0 NP @ half.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on November 06, 2010, 11:10:02 pm
NP up 2-1 until Drew Golz equalizes with :45

Overtime, folks!  Good thing we get an extra hour tonight!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2010, 11:14:47 pm
NPU wins in overtime!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on November 06, 2010, 11:16:02 pm
NP wins in first minute of OT off a corner.  AQ goes to NP.  

Let's hope Wheaton gets the nod for a pool C bid.

Congrats, Vikings!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2010, 11:18:19 pm
Grahn knocked in his second goal of the game, and his tenth of the season, six and a half minutes into OT.

Great game. Wish I could've been there, but I'm glad that WETN carried it online.

Wheaton dominated the shooting stats, but NPU did a better job of capitalizing on its opportunities.

Great gut-check win, since it must've been devastating to have the win slip away in the last minute of regulation. To snap back from that and win it in OT really says a lot about the fortitude of the Vikings.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2010, 11:20:15 pm
I hear a lot of screaming in the background. Sounds like NPU's student body was well-represented at Joe Bean Stadium tonight.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: coat on November 06, 2010, 11:27:08 pm
So, I know I'm jumping the gun a little, but does NP have a decent shot of hosting a game in the tourney?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on November 06, 2010, 11:33:50 pm
The Coat!

Sager will tell you for sure but I'm guessing that it all depends who else gets AQ bids in the region.  If its the usual suspects, I'd say NP is gonna travel.  If there are some upsets...who knows?

Normally I wouldn't wish it upon the Vikings to play Calvin but seeing as that might be my only shot of seeing a game I wouldn't mind if Calvin hosted.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: FreeScrimp on November 06, 2010, 11:37:19 pm
Indeed. Looked like a typical North Park/Wheaton final game, as far as fan representation. ($5 to the Wheaton Boosters who were simulcasting the game was worth it). North Park taking the entire right side of the stands, Wheaton taking the left. From the sounds of the game, I'm happy that I didn't hear an overhead announcement directed towards the stands (albeit the end of the game where NP students rightly rushed the field in celebration). I always get nervous that the in-stands banter gets worse and worse each year, but it seemed respectful. (Maybe a person who was actually at the game can comment more directly).

From what I saw today, as a North Parker, I'm nervous about the 2011 and 2012 Wheaton team. Their back line was solid and they will only get better. They had a strong schedule this year and have experience of big games in their back pockets. Their season is likely over at this point, but we'll see what Pool C results show.

Here's hoping NP can get out of the first round of the tourney this year.

My brother posts on this message board?!?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 06, 2010, 11:59:33 pm
WOW!!  Wheaton hosts three conference championships today (American football and both genders of the real football ;)) and goes 0-3!!  Who'd a thunk it?! :D
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 07, 2010, 12:00:22 am
Normally I wouldn't wish it upon the Vikings to play Calvin but seeing as that might be my only shot of seeing a game I wouldn't mind if Calvin hosted.

I don't want NPU to play Calvin. My nephew is a freshman at Calvin. That would make it hard enough for me to deal with ... but my brother is an NPU grad, too, and it could make life in his house very tough. ;)

Indeed. Looked like a typical North Park/Wheaton final game, as far as fan representation. ($5 to the Wheaton Boosters who were simulcasting the game was worth it). North Park taking the entire right side of the stands, Wheaton taking the left. From the sounds of the game, I'm happy that I didn't hear an overhead announcement directed towards the stands (albeit the end of the game where NP students rightly rushed the field in celebration). I always get nervous that the in-stands banter gets worse and worse each year, but it seemed respectful. (Maybe a person who was actually at the game can comment more directly).

I wasn't too thrilled with the "We love Jesus, yes, we do / We love Jesus, how about you?" cheer that the NPU student section used in the earlier match between the two schools at the corner of Foster and Albany. Then again, I've got a serious legacy regarding questionable student cheers that puts me in the "people who live in glass houses" category, so that's all I'll say about that. :D

From what I saw today, as a North Parker, I'm nervous about the 2011 and 2012 Wheaton team. Their back line was solid and they will only get better. They had a strong schedule this year and have experience of big games in their back pockets.

Wheaton's gonna be scary. Great thing is, NPU's gonna be scary for the next few seasons, too. Should really ratchet up the rivalry a few notches, which is what I think we all want here, Jim Matson included. Even the WETN guys were saying that, and, aside from their sincere respect for Kris Grahn they weren't exactly generous with their compliments of the Vikings.

Their season is likely over at this point, but we'll see what Pool C results show.

I honestly don't see Wheaton getting in, which is a shame -- both for them and for the CCIW. However, Chris Shirk, who knows the ins and outs of the situation better than I, is more sanguine of Wheaton's chances. (http://www.d3soccer.com/landing/Pool_C_preview)

Since Wash U is the top-ranked team in the Central Region, my best guess is that NPU is headed to St. Louis. However, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Park ends up in River Forest, with Central #2 Dominican hosting. I'd rather have that ... River Forest is practically walking distance from NPU.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 07, 2010, 12:00:58 am
WOW!!  Wheaton hosts three conference championships today (American football and both genders of the real football ;)) and goes 0-3!!  Who'd a thunk it?! :D

World's smallest violin, etc. ;D
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2010, 12:29:47 am
WOW!!  Wheaton hosts three conference championships today (American football and both genders of the real football ;)) and goes 0-3!!  Who'd a thunk it?! :D

World's smallest violin, etc. ;D

Your lack of sympathy is disgus ... exactly what I would have expected! ;D

I confess, I can't summon a whole bunch of sympathy myself. ;)  Though I think it would be a travesty if ANY of the Thunder teams failed to make their national tournieys.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 07, 2010, 12:38:19 am
WOW!!  Wheaton hosts three conference championships today (American football and both genders of the real football ;)) and goes 0-3!!  Who'd a thunk it?! :D

World's smallest violin, etc. ;D

Your lack of sympathy is disgus ... exactly what I would have expected! ;D

In all honesty, it's Wheaton's legacy of soccer greatness that really makes this win sweet, even more so than the rivalry per se. For as much crap as I and the rest of the people who bleed royal-blue-and-gold deal out towards Wheaton, the fact of the matter is that Wheaton is very good in most sports, which makes beating the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance a mark of excellent performance. But when you beat WC in soccer, you've really done something special ... especially when it's the biggest game of the year and it's on their pitch. And Wheaton's team this year is certainly worthy of that legacy, as can be seen in the fact that the Wheaties ran the table in the conference season and won the CCIW title.

In other words, our respect for Wheaton soccer is what truly makes NPU's win tonight special.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 07, 2010, 12:56:22 am
WOW!!  Wheaton hosts three conference championships today (American football and both genders of the real football ;)) and goes 0-3!!  Who'd a thunk it?! :D

World's smallest violin, etc. ;D

Your lack of sympathy is disgus ... exactly what I would have expected! ;D

In all honesty, it's Wheaton's legacy of soccer greatness that really makes this win sweet, even more so than the rivalry per se. For as much crap as I and the rest of the people who bleed royal-blue-and-gold deal out towards Wheaton, the fact of the matter is that Wheaton is very good in most sports, which makes beating the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance a mark of excellent performance. But when you beat WC in soccer, you've really done something special ... especially when it's the biggest game of the year and it's on their pitch. And Wheaton's team this year is certainly worthy of that legacy, as can be seen in the fact that the Wheaties ran the table in the conference season and won the CCIW title.

In other words, our respect for Wheaton soccer is what truly makes NPU's win tonight special.

EXACTLY why I am so happy about the Titan women's win.

And someday the Titan men will join the party. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 07, 2010, 01:02:53 am
Note that I said that Wheaton's soccer excellence is what makes it special, Chuck ... not that it's the happiest element of the win. Or even the second-happiest thing. ;)

And someday the Titan men will join the party. ;)

Is the Kool-Ade always lime-flavored, Chuck, or is it sometimes pistachio- or spinach- or broccoli-flavored? ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: pad3fan on November 07, 2010, 08:08:01 am
Indeed. Looked like a typical North Park/Wheaton final game, as far as fan representation. ($5 to the Wheaton Boosters who were simulcasting the game was worth it). North Park taking the entire right side of the stands, Wheaton taking the left. From the sounds of the game, I'm happy that I didn't hear an overhead announcement directed towards the stands (albeit the end of the game where NP students rightly rushed the field in celebration). I always get nervous that the in-stands banter gets worse and worse each year, but it seemed respectful. (Maybe a person who was actually at the game can comment more directly).



Took in my first North Park/Wheaton match live Saturday night. It was, a great game! On the field it was a well fought battle by both teams. To FreeScrimp's comment, SOME of the banter, from SOME of the NP student section was not respectful. After the second goal, a group ran the length of the stands to the Wheaton student section and taunted the section with their celebrations. Additional comments (language) were shouted at the students. It came off as looking rather "class less"  and nothing like I see here from the North Park supporters .
















Title: Re: CCIW - the veil of the temple was rent
Post by: dennis_prikkel on November 07, 2010, 10:55:34 am
Yes i made it to the wheaton pitch last night - along with several hundred other north park fans.  A number of us less-vociferous types took up the section to the immediate left of the entrance, while the NP students were police herded into the far left section.

Slimmo and I arrived in time to see most of the 2nd half and the overtime of the women's championship.  There were no police present for that match !!!  The titan ladies played inspired defensive football and was happy when they won it on penalty kicks.  Wheaton kept shuffling in fresh bodies, but played a very uninspired game.  Good for IWU.

In the men's match it was quickly evident that the officials were going to have to take control - and thankfully they did, as bodies were flying and lying all over the pitch.  Krahn's first goal was a long one.  (and the homers on the WETN radio broadcast should give it a rest - wow were they bad - the sun doesnt rise or set on wheaton guys).

The wind picked up after the first game and it was real cold for the 2nd game.

Seems to me a more sensible CCIW commissioner would have forced the games to be played in the afternoon, rather than bowing to pressure to keep all three contests in Crusaderland.


And what in the hell were police doing at the game.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on November 07, 2010, 11:38:10 am

Additional comments (language) were shouted at the students. .


If you're wondering about the language, it was probably Swedish.  Seems like have of North Park's student population is from Sweden these days....

 :P














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Title: Re: CCIW - the veil of the temple was rent
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 07, 2010, 03:54:18 pm
And what in the hell were police doing at the game.

As the infamous "Wheaton Police Department SWAT team" basketball game of three years ago demonstrated, the good folks in the Wheaton College administration seem convinced that North Park is a school whose students take the whole concept of Vikinghood (i.e., sail into town and rape, plunder, and pillage the locals) a bit too literally. I find the whole thing to be hugely amusing, both because of the epic overkill of Wheaton's reaction and because NPU resident students are perennially nothing more than a bunch of totally harmless kids in desperate search of a sports team identified with their school that doesn't cause them to cringe in humiliation.

I'd much rather deal with a noisy but non-threatening handful of skinny frisbee-playing slackers in blue and yellow face paint than with the football players who constitute Wheaton's main student section behind the east basket at King Arena. Unlike the Carlson Crazies, those Wheaton guys look like they could handle themselves in a melee.

North Park students have been traveling to the Wheaton campus for sporting events for generations, and I've yet to hear of any serious incidents arising from their presence -- unless you consider North Park students eating in the Wheaton dining hall without using utensils, or North Park men's basketball players dressing up in drag and trying to sneak into the Wheaton women's dorm to be "serious incidents."

Note to Wheaton administrators: When North Park students show up on your campus for a sporting event, the NPU on their shirts does not stand for "Nasty Pillagers of the Unwary."


Additional comments (language) were shouted at the students. .


If you're wondering about the language, it was probably Swedish.  Seems like have of North Park's student population is from Sweden these days....

 :P

As I said a month ago, I'm counting on the increased population of Swedes on the NPU campus to provide the men's golf team with a shot in the arm as well.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: pad3fan on November 07, 2010, 04:41:23 pm

Additional comments (language) were shouted at the students. .


If you're wondering about the language, it was probably Swedish.  Seems like have of North Park's student population is from Sweden these days....

 :P

I know no Swedish and I fully understood the language and what was said ;)













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Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thunder38 on November 08, 2010, 02:29:47 pm
The bubble burst on the Thunder....too many losses left them on the outside...good luck to North Park against Hope
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 08, 2010, 04:39:43 pm
North Park will play Hope this weekend (date and time TBA) up in Oshkosh. The host Titans of UWO will play Carroll in the other match.

Here's the bracket. (http://static.psbin.com/5/y/l8g2de8wneomzn/msoc-bracket-2010-tag.pdf)

The bubble burst on the Thunder....too many losses left them on the outside...good luck to North Park against Hope

Thanks, thunder38illini. With North Park as the league's only representative in the tournament, it doubles my desire to see the Vikings do well. Nobody from the CCIW has ever made any headway in the tournament besides Wheaton; NPU is 0-2, Carthage and Elmhurst are both 0-1, and the other four schools have never even made it into the tournament. A deep run by the Vikings might get the league a bit more respect in D3 soccer circles.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on November 08, 2010, 05:54:59 pm
It was a great match on Saturday evening.  North Park was a more skilled team, but ddin't play that advantage very well.  But the rivalry and the students made the match memorable.  And really, the better team won.

I did think that the second North Park goal was really a breakdown on the Wheaton side than anything else - several opportunities to clear, yet the Wheaton backs couldn't get it out of the area.  NP did their job to press and be there when the opportunity presented itself.

Wheaton's first and second goals were neat.  When Wheaton scored their first, they had already come close a few times - they were doing well breaking NP's attempts to hold their line and force an off-sides situation.  But what made the equalizer special (as I was sitting in a North Park section with relatives) was that the Yellowbeards had just started off the typical "Hail North Park" chant when Wheaton broke the line and scored ;)  Wheaton's second goal was more the timing than anything else.  It was a great corner, and it was well placed in the corner, beating the Viking keeper easily.  But to score for the tie in the final minute is just a gerat feeling for any fan.

But the Viking goal to win it was a thing of beauty.  Off another weak clearing attempt from the Wheaton back line, a Viking player took the ball away from the goal and then passed it off to #11, who was moving back towards the box. He took a fairly quick shot from the corner of the box that I thought the Wheaton keeper would easily stop.  But the shot was ideal - he pushed it outside-in with some neat Swedish spin and in a 1' window, he was spot on.  One of the nicer goals I've seen at Wheaton in a number of years.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thunder38 on November 08, 2010, 06:54:27 pm


But the Viking goal to win it was a thing of beauty.  Off another weak clearing attempt from the Wheaton back line, a Viking player took the ball away from the goal and then passed it off to #11, who was moving back towards the box. He took a fairly quick shot from the corner of the box that I thought the Wheaton keeper would easily stop.  But the shot was ideal - he pushed it outside-in with some neat Swedish spin and in a 1' window, he was spot on.  One of the nicer goals I've seen at Wheaton in a number of years.



The goal was extremely well executed by the Vikings and well placed.  Unfortunately for the Thunder both Seager(keeper) and Weaver(back) could have saved or cleared easily but both looked at the other expecting action and the ball just trickled between them...definitely a heartbreaking way for a season to end but a fitting one for the Thunder as they just had those temporary lapses all season long.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 08, 2010, 07:07:54 pm
But the Viking goal to win it was a thing of beauty.  Off another weak clearing attempt from the Wheaton back line, a Viking player took the ball away from the goal and then passed it off to #11, who was moving back towards the box. He took a fairly quick shot from the corner of the box that I thought the Wheaton keeper would easily stop.  But the shot was ideal - he pushed it outside-in with some neat Swedish spin and in a 1' window, he was spot on.  One of the nicer goals I've seen at Wheaton in a number of years.

The goal was extremely well executed by the Vikings and well placed.  Unfortunately for the Thunder both Seager(keeper) and Weaver(back) could have saved or cleared easily but both looked at the other expecting action and the ball just trickled between them...definitely a heartbreaking way for a season to end but a fitting one for the Thunder as they just had those temporary lapses all season long.

Turnabout is fair play, I'd say, since in the first match between the two teams back on October 9 it was NPU's mental errors that spelled the difference in Wheaton's win.

What are your thoughts on the respective futures of the two teams and their chances for dominating the league, Jim? After this season, NPU loses its center midfielder (James Kriticos) and the right and left backs (Greg Domanico and Kyle Connelly). Wheaton loses two forwards, starter Stephen Mesko and reserve Cameron Risma. NPU started three freshmen on Saturday night, Wheaton started four.

Getting back to this season ... is the conference tournament taken into consideration when the coaches pick the All-CCIW team, or is it regular-season conference games only? I have to think that Kris Grahn has a very solid shot at Most Outstanding Player if the tournament is part of the equation. He scored the game-winner in the semi against Carthage, and two goals -- including the golden goal in OT -- in the title game at Wheaton. Heck, even the Wheaton head coach has referred to Grahn as the league's best player. If the tournament's not taken into consideration, though, I have to think that Wheaton's Drew Golz will win the MOP award, as I think that any support for an NPU player might be split among several of them (Grahn, Filip Lindmark, Sehten Hills, etc.), with NPU's Tim Ahlberg and Wheaton's Ryan Seager basically canceling each other out in terms of any keepers being considered for the award.

In the past, the coaches have almost always simply handed the MOP to whichever Wheaton player shined the most. I'd love to see a Viking win it this year; the only North Park player who's ever been selected as MOP was Austin Person back in '05.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on November 09, 2010, 08:04:32 am
Hope beat Calvin for the MIAA AQ, which puts both those teams in, probably had a hand n costing Wheaton a shot at the tourney field (that and the month of September).

North Park plays Hope up in Osh Kosh in the first round (UW-O takes on Carroll) Friday, ncaa.com still says TBA for the time. 

I'm hoping/assuming it'll be shown somewhere, is that a reasonable assumption?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 09, 2010, 06:23:14 pm
Hope vs. NPU will be Friday at 7:30 pm Central, 6:30 pm local time.

I don't think that it'll be shown anywhere, unless Benj Ecker has an iPhone and makes a conference call with it. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 09, 2010, 09:59:39 pm
Congrats to the six Vikings who made the All-CCIW first team (senior James Kriticos, juniors Kris Grahn and Sehten Hills, sophomore Tim Ahlberg, and freshmen Hannes Granlund and Filip Lindmark). Congrats as well to Grahn for winning the league's Most Outstanding Player, and to John Born for winning the Joe Bean Award as the CCIW's Coach of the Year. A pretty good haul of prizes!

Wheaton had four first-teamers, which means that NPU and Wheaton had ten of the thirteen slots on the All-CCIW first team.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on November 10, 2010, 01:57:37 am
That's a great showing for North Park!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on November 11, 2010, 07:56:32 am
Hope vs. NPU will be Friday at 7:30 pm Central, 6:30 pm local time.

I don't think that it'll be shown anywhere, unless Benj Ecker has an iPhone and makes a conference call with it. ;)

Alas, Benj Ecker neither has an iPhone nor will be at the match.  If only the game were being played on the OTHER side of the lake...
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on November 11, 2010, 09:58:17 am
It was a great match on Saturday evening.  North Park was a more skilled team, but ddin't play that advantage very well.  But the rivalry and the students made the match memorable.  And really, the better team won.

I was surprised to hear this, coming from Jim.  The numbers (SOG, etc) seem to tell a different story.  And, of course, the WETN guys tell a very different story when broadcasting...
Good to know that NP is the real deal.  Perhaps this is the year for a deep run in the tourney by the Vikings.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 11, 2010, 03:36:16 pm
It was a great match on Saturday evening.  North Park was a more skilled team, but ddin't play that advantage very well.  But the rivalry and the students made the match memorable.  And really, the better team won.

I was surprised to hear this, coming from Jim.  The numbers (SOG, etc) seem to tell a different story.  And, of course, the WETN guys tell a very different story when broadcasting...

WETN's had some great student broadcasters in the past (Paul Carr, Bryan Holmgren), but the two guys who are on the call now (and were on the call last year) are total homers. At least they don't scream or make up ridiculous Bermanesque nicknames ("Joel Kolmodin Dragon!" "Martin 'the Chicago' Trimiew!"), but you need a crowbar to pry a compliment of an opposing player or play out of them. I think that they referred to NPU's Kris Grahn once as "dangerous," and that was about it. Based upon their call, you never would've had the impression that NPU was capable of scoring on Wheaton, let alone have the lead for most of the match.

Hope vs. NPU will be Friday at 7:30 pm Central, 6:30 pm local time.

I don't think that it'll be shown anywhere, unless Benj Ecker has an iPhone and makes a conference call with it. ;)

Alas, Benj Ecker neither has an iPhone nor will be at the match.  If only the game were being played on the OTHER side of the lake...

I posted that with the assumption that the ferry was still running. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KnightFalcon on November 11, 2010, 07:52:55 pm
Wheaton will be fine for the next few years.  They had a huge freshman class and many of them played large minutes during the season.  I think Clark and Musgraves are the real deal and will be big contributors for the next 3 seasons.  Not sure what Giuliano has coming in next year, but if they bring in another strong class, they will be back on the national stage starting next year.  Too much youth hurt them early in the season, but by the time they got to the conference games, the team started to gel and it showed in their record.  I think they would beat Calvin right now so it is ironic (tragic?) that in all likelihood, Calvin took their spot in the tournament.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: pad3fan on November 11, 2010, 10:13:27 pm
Greg, I don't really get your "beef" with the Wheaton broadcast. In fairness to any program that broadcasts, Wheaton is one of, if not the best in this area for college soccer. It's not like it is a "network" like FOX, CBS, ESPN, etc. that broadcasts that other sport that thinks it's the real "football!" It would be more like listening to the local broadcast of any pro sports team. WETN is paid for and supported by Wheaton College, it's fans, alumni, etc. To expect that it wouldn't be geared to that group, I don't think would be normal or realistic. I'm sure that North Park could have provided a broadcast of their own, if they would want one slanted toward their team. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 11, 2010, 10:46:15 pm
North Park does provide a broadcast of its home soccer matches, pad3fan. I have never watched any of them -- I'm almost always in the stands when NPU is playing at home -- but if the PBP and analysis in an NPU soccer webcast was as compromised as Wheaton's was last weekend, I'd say something.

Yes, it's Wheaton's broadcast. Yes, it's expected that the broadcasters will focus upon Wheaton's players, Wheaton's team, Wheaton's relative worthiness in the league, Wheaton's ongoing season, etc. That's pretty obvious. But being "geared to that group" and being "slanted toward their team" doesn't mean "ignore the other team completely to the point where it's invisible."

I am the broadcaster for NPU's men's basketball webcasts. I make it pretty plain on the air that: a) North Park University is producing the webcast; b) the target audience is primarily Vikings fans; and c) I myself am a Vikings fan, to the point that I get excited and put some emotion into my call when North Park makes a great play (as do the Wheaton broadcasters for their team). But here's the difference: I acknowledge the opponent and point out what the opposing players have done (or are doing) right. If they make a great play, I point it out. I give them credit by name. That doesn't compromise me or the fact that I'm doing the webcast on behalf of NPU. I'm simply doing my job as a reporter (which is what a broadcaster is) by being honest and factual about the game at hand. To me, at least, that's the right way to broadcast a game. Otherwise, it's as though you're watching a game where only one team is playing ... and that's absurd on its face.

And this is not me being anti-Wheatie, either. As I said in my previous post, WETN's had some terrific guys behind the mic in the past. I even cited two of them by name, one of whom is now an ESPN employee.

Oh, and I vehemently disagree with the idea that, "Well, it's not a TV network, so it's not a 'real' broadcast ... therefore, it's OK to do a half-assed job." If you're going to do something, do it right, do it professionally, and do it in such a way that you'll be proud to put your name on it.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: pad3fan on November 11, 2010, 11:54:21 pm
North Park does provide a broadcast of its home soccer matches, pad3fan. I have never watched any of them -- I'm almost always in the stands when NPU is playing at home -- but if the PBP and analysis in an NPU soccer webcast was as compromised as Wheaton's was last weekend, I'd say something.

Greg, I realize that NPU does home games. If they wanted a more home flavor at the away games, they could do like Wheaton does and send a crew to the away games as well.

Yes, it's Wheaton's broadcast. Yes, it's expected that the broadcasters will focus upon Wheaton's players, Wheaton's team, Wheaton's relative worthiness in the league, Wheaton's ongoing season, etc. That's pretty obvious. But being "geared to that group" and being "slanted toward their team" doesn't mean "ignore the other team completely to the point where it's invisible."

I am the broadcaster for NPU's men's basketball webcasts. I make it pretty plain on the air that: a) North Park University is producing the webcast; b) the target audience is primarily Vikings fans; and c) I myself am a Vikings fan, to the point that I get excited and put some emotion into my call when North Park makes a great play (as do the Wheaton broadcasters for their team). But here's the difference: I acknowledge the opponent and point out what the opposing players have done (or are doing) right. If they make a great play, I point it out. I give them credit by name. That doesn't compromise me or the fact that I'm doing the webcast on behalf of NPU. I'm simply doing my job as a reporter (which is what a broadcaster is) by being honest and factual about the game at hand. To me, at least, that's the right way to broadcast a game. Otherwise, it's as though you're watching a game where only one team is playing ... and that's absurd on its face.
Greg, I was present at the game we are discussing. In addition, I listened to the broadcast. I can understand as a NPU fan you may feel as though the broadcast ignored your team but I can recall times that the announcers spoke of NPU, their fans, Grahn's laser shot for the first goal, that the JR. Hills is a handful come to mind at the moment. Basketball isn't my sport, so I can't say that I have ever listened to one of your broadcasts. From reading your posts on here, I would  expect them to be done well. I guess what I don't get is you feeling the need to "lash out" at the Wheaton crew.To me as a reader here it comes across pretty harsh. 


And this is not me being anti-Wheatie, either. As I said in my previous post, WETN's had some terrific guys behind the mic in the past. I even cited two of them by name, one of whom is now an ESPN employee.

Oh, and I vehemently disagree with the idea that, "Well, it's not a TV network, so it's not a 'real' broadcast ... therefore, it's OK to do a half-assed job." If you're going to do something, do it right, do it professionally, and do it in such a way that you'll be proud to put your name on it.Please re-read what I wrote. I am not sure what you are vehemently disagreeing with.I said nothing of a broadcast not being done well in "comparing the network to the local broadcast." The difference would be like listening to the local broadcast of the Sox or Cubs and listening to the same game being broadcast by ESPN. I would expect the ESPN one to be a more balanced one than the "homeboys." I don't think I said one was real and one wasn't but if that is how it sounded it wasn't my point. I'm sorry if it was confusing that way.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on November 12, 2010, 12:18:58 am
One of the first good old CCIW-type throw downs on the soccer board!  Now it feels a little like the old CCIW FB board...
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 12, 2010, 03:02:25 pm
One of the first good old CCIW-type throw downs on the soccer board!  Now it feels a little like the old CCIW FB board...

Not quite.  On this board Greg gets to talk about NPU wins! :o

(Sorry, Greg - couldn't help myself. :-[)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 12, 2010, 03:54:24 pm
North Park does provide a broadcast of its home soccer matches, pad3fan. I have never watched any of them -- I'm almost always in the stands when NPU is playing at home -- but if the PBP and analysis in an NPU soccer webcast was as compromised as Wheaton's was last weekend, I'd say something.

Greg, I realize that NPU does home games. If they wanted a more home flavor at the away games, they could do like Wheaton does and send a crew to the away games as well.

No, they couldn't. The funds aren't there for it. Not every school has the money to broadcast road games as well as home games. Only two sports at NPU have webcasts, men's basketball and men's soccer, and both of them only do home games. I'm simply thankful that North Park is putting home men's soccer matches on the web now, even though I don't have the chance to see them.

Yes, it's Wheaton's broadcast. Yes, it's expected that the broadcasters will focus upon Wheaton's players, Wheaton's team, Wheaton's relative worthiness in the league, Wheaton's ongoing season, etc. That's pretty obvious. But being "geared to that group" and being "slanted toward their team" doesn't mean "ignore the other team completely to the point where it's invisible."

I am the broadcaster for NPU's men's basketball webcasts. I make it pretty plain on the air that: a) North Park University is producing the webcast; b) the target audience is primarily Vikings fans; and c) I myself am a Vikings fan, to the point that I get excited and put some emotion into my call when North Park makes a great play (as do the Wheaton broadcasters for their team). But here's the difference: I acknowledge the opponent and point out what the opposing players have done (or are doing) right. If they make a great play, I point it out. I give them credit by name. That doesn't compromise me or the fact that I'm doing the webcast on behalf of NPU. I'm simply doing my job as a reporter (which is what a broadcaster is) by being honest and factual about the game at hand. To me, at least, that's the right way to broadcast a game. Otherwise, it's as though you're watching a game where only one team is playing ... and that's absurd on its face.
Greg, I was present at the game we are discussing. In addition, I listened to the broadcast. I can understand as a NPU fan you may feel as though the broadcast ignored your team but I can recall times that the announcers spoke of NPU, their fans, Grahn's laser shot for the first goal, that the JR. Hills is a handful come to mind at the moment. Basketball isn't my sport, so I can't say that I have ever listened to one of your broadcasts. From reading your posts on here, I would  expect them to be done well. I guess what I don't get is you feeling the need to "lash out" at the Wheaton crew.To me as a reader here it comes across pretty harsh. 

I have no recollection of the broadcasters saying anything about the Vikings as a team. They did mention the fans in passing at one point, saying that a Wheaton player did not want to have to throw in around the NPU fans -- but if you didn't hear the cheering in the background, you'd never know that the Vikings enjoyed such a huge following at Joe Bean Stadium that night. Their commentary about Sehten Hills was not complimentary about him other than in a backhanded fashion; i.e., Dan Pavlak had him completely marked and had turned him into a non-factor. I do remember them calling Grahn's first goal a "laser shot," and (as I said earlier) they did call him "dangerous" at one point. But that's pretty slim pickings if that's all that you can point out in the entire two-hour broadcast that was complimentary of Wheaton's opponent.

As for what you felt was my harsh tone, I'm probably more sensitive to the poor job that the WETN guys did last Saturday because the Vikings were the neglected opponent in question. But I'm not the only one who noticed it; two other posters here pointed it out as well. As I said, I didn't post those thoughts in order to rattle the cage of Wheaton fans; I did it because it was disappointing to have to listen to commentary that seemed not to notice that Wheaton's opponent even existed.

And this is not me being anti-Wheatie, either. As I said in my previous post, WETN's had some terrific guys behind the mic in the past. I even cited two of them by name, one of whom is now an ESPN employee.

Oh, and I vehemently disagree with the idea that, "Well, it's not a TV network, so it's not a 'real' broadcast ... therefore, it's OK to do a half-assed job." If you're going to do something, do it right, do it professionally, and do it in such a way that you'll be proud to put your name on it.Please re-read what I wrote. I am not sure what you are vehemently disagreeing with.I said nothing of a broadcast not being done well in "comparing the network to the local broadcast." The difference would be like listening to the local broadcast of the Sox or Cubs and listening to the same game being broadcast by ESPN. I would expect the ESPN one to be a more balanced one than the "homeboys." I don't think I said one was real and one wasn't but if that is how it sounded it wasn't my point. I'm sorry if it was confusing that way.

I'm not sure where you live and thus what you had in mind in your earlier post when talking about a local pro team. For all I knew, it could've been some hick town whose Single A minor-league baseball team has an egregiously slanted broadcaster. The team-oriented broadcasters you cite (Cubs, White Sox) are certainly slanted towards the team they cover, but they are all professional enough to discuss opponents at length when the vicissitudes of the game require it, and they never shirk from complimenting opponents who are accomplished players or who make a great play. It's not about balance per se; it's about honest reporting.

One of the first good old CCIW-type throw downs on the soccer board!  Now it feels a little like the old CCIW FB board...

Not quite.  On this board Greg gets to talk about NPU wins! :o

(Sorry, Greg - couldn't help myself. :-[)

You're still here, Chuck? IWU's men's soccer season has been over for two weeks now. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 12, 2010, 05:27:13 pm
Yeah, Greg, I'm still here.  And am now a Viking fan (despite your low blow :P).
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on November 12, 2010, 07:15:23 pm
But here's the difference: I acknowledge the opponent and point out what the opposing players have done (or are doing) right. If they make a great play, I point it out. I give them credit by name.
Greg,

You're forgetting another key difference -- you actually know something about the opponents North Park plays, far beyond the names on their rosters.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on November 12, 2010, 10:13:31 pm
North Park goes up 1-0 vs Hope on a goal by Grahn in the 65th minute.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on November 12, 2010, 10:42:37 pm
North Park holds on for a 1-0 victory!  Congratulations to the team as they move on to face UW Oshkosh tomorrow!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 12, 2010, 10:46:43 pm
Way to represent the CCIW, NPU!  Keep it going!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 12, 2010, 10:56:31 pm
You had the feeling that NPU was knocking on the door throughout the first half and early in the second, but the Vikings forwards just couldn't get their timing down on the through passes and they kept getting called offsides. Finally, Kris Grahn and Sehten Hills were able to get the two-man game going and did a beautiful give-and-go that resulted in Grahn's goal. After that, North Park went into a shell; Hope had some nice chances, but Tim Ahlberg had one fantastic lay-out save, and on Hope's best chance of all -- a midfield free kick by keeper Logan Neil -- the ball apparently crossed the goal line but was called offsides (hard to tell, because the UWO camera crew didn't track that particular play).

Congratulations to the Vikings, who not only achieved the school's first-ever NCAA tournament win tonight but the CCIW's first-ever tournament win by a team other than Wheaton. North Park will face host UW-Oshkosh tomorrow night at 6:30.

Great to see so many North Park students braving the long drive and the cold to be at tonight's match, too.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on November 13, 2010, 09:39:34 pm
Awesome!  Mpls got 6" of wet, sloppy snow today.  Chicago got cold and showers.  What were/are the conditions in Osh Kosh?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2010, 10:25:23 pm
Congrats to NPU on a very successful season. The Vikings just ran into the wrong team tonight in terms of having to play from behind; UW-Oshkosh has only given up five goals all season, and tonight we saw that there's a reason for that.

Still, any season that includes both the program's first-ever NCAA tourney win and an electrifying win over that orange-colored school over in DuPage County -- on the orange-colored school's home pitch, no less --- to win the CCIW tourney and the NCAA berth has to be considered a big step forward. For as young as the Vikings were this season, I look forward to their continued success in 2011. John Born has North Park soccer moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on November 13, 2010, 11:36:02 pm
I thought we'd see a tighter match than 2-0.  I think North Park's season-long bout of inconsistency reappeared, perhaps?  I saw both teams this season, and I thought both had some strengths - maybe Oshkosh a bot stronger, but not overly so. 

It has been a good season for the Vikes.  They keep building on their tradition, and that certainly can help with recruiting.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: pad3fan on November 15, 2010, 08:48:49 am
Greg, in respect to you and the other NPU fans here, I wanted to wait until after the weekend games to respond to your last post about the NPU /Wheaton broadcast. It was my desire to allow you guys to enjoy the success of your team and hopefully enjoy the NCAA's. Congratulations on your run this year.

That being said, with the season over for both teams now....

 I have no recollection of the broadcasters saying anything about the Vikings as a team. They did mention the fans in passing at one point, saying that a Wheaton player did not want to have to throw in around the NPU fans -- but if you didn't hear the cheering in the background, you'd never know that the Vikings enjoyed such a huge following at Joe Bean Stadium that night. Their commentary about Sehten Hills was not complimentary about him other than in a backhanded fashion; i.e., Dan Pavlak had him completely marked and had turned him into a non-factor. I do remember them calling Grahn's first goal a "laser shot," and (as I said earlier) they did call him "dangerous" at one point. But that's pretty slim pickings if that's all that you can point out in the entire two-hour broadcast that was complimentary of Wheaton's opponent.

Greg, I respect that you have no recollection of the Viking fans but in listening during the "heat of the battle" it may have slipped past you. There were at least three mentions during the contest. And your comment about if you didn't hear the Viking fans cheering, you wouldn't have known there was such a large following is not true. The beginning of the broadcast started out with the large number of NPU fans and that NPU even had more students present than Wheaton.

As for the Hills comment, Hills didn't have a good game that evening. I happen to think he is a very nice player, can score some goals and can be dangerous, but he wasn't a factor in that game. I suggest that it was an accurate statement and to give Pavlak credit for that non-factor would seem appropriate given the season Hills had.

Please know that while I mentioned a few examples on my last post, they were not the only ones. I could continue, as could you, to go back and forth on a line by line account, yet I don't know what purpose it would serve either of us or the programs. You wanted to hear more about your team, that I get. Yet your statements are just not true when you say that the broadcast didn't even let a listener know there was another team present. I feel it is important for those readers out there that were not part of the events and the broadcast that evening, to understand your account of the broadcast and to be given a balance to that view.

Looking at this thread, it seems to me that you suggest that the Wheaton crew was just not being honest in the broadcast. If it wasn't your intent to rattle the cage of the Wheaton fans,suggesting that the crew wasn't being honest and it wasn't honest "reporting", does rattle my cage!

As Wheaton does provide alot of broadcasts, has them open for anyone to listen to and watch for free  in almost every case, it would be my hope that all the soccer fans out there could appreciate and be thankful for the access to these services rather than feel the need to "rip them."
 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 15, 2010, 02:12:57 pm
I thought we'd see a tighter match than 2-0.  I think North Park's season-long bout of inconsistency reappeared, perhaps?

I don't really think it was inconsistency. Greg Domanico made a tackle in the box -- it's questionable whether or not the UWO player had a good enough angle or enough of a step on Domanico to get off a decent shot, but that's 20-20 hindsight -- and the Vikings paid for it by getting scored upon on a penalty kick. And the goal off the corner kick a couple of minutes later was just a great play by UWO. Those were just two tough-situation set pieces, not really a case of NPU being up-and-down in the game itself (although the Vikings have played better over the course of 90 minutes than they did on Saturday night; albeit UWO had something to do with that).

I simply give UWO credit. The Titans are a very good team, and they played better than did the Vikings. I never had the sense that the Vikings were shooting themselves in the foot the way that they did in the first Wheaton match, though.

Greg, in respect to you and the other NPU fans here, I wanted to wait until after the weekend games to respond to your last post about the NPU /Wheaton broadcast. It was my desire to allow you guys to enjoy the success of your team and hopefully enjoy the NCAA's. Congratulations on your run this year.

That being said, with the season over for both teams now....

 I have no recollection of the broadcasters saying anything about the Vikings as a team. They did mention the fans in passing at one point, saying that a Wheaton player did not want to have to throw in around the NPU fans -- but if you didn't hear the cheering in the background, you'd never know that the Vikings enjoyed such a huge following at Joe Bean Stadium that night. Their commentary about Sehten Hills was not complimentary about him other than in a backhanded fashion; i.e., Dan Pavlak had him completely marked and had turned him into a non-factor. I do remember them calling Grahn's first goal a "laser shot," and (as I said earlier) they did call him "dangerous" at one point. But that's pretty slim pickings if that's all that you can point out in the entire two-hour broadcast that was complimentary of Wheaton's opponent.

Greg, I respect that you have no recollection of the Viking fans but in listening during the "heat of the battle" it may have slipped past you. There were at least three mentions during the contest. And your comment about if you didn't hear the Viking fans cheering, you wouldn't have known there was such a large following is not true. The beginning of the broadcast started out with the large number of NPU fans and that NPU even had more students present than Wheaton.

As for the Hills comment, Hills didn't have a good game that evening. I happen to think he is a very nice player, can score some goals and can be dangerous, but he wasn't a factor in that game. I suggest that it was an accurate statement and to give Pavlak credit for that non-factor would seem appropriate given the season Hills had.

Please know that while I mentioned a few examples on my last post, they were not the only ones. I could continue, as could you, to go back and forth on a line by line account, yet I don't know what purpose it would serve either of us or the programs. You wanted to hear more about your team, that I get. Yet your statements are just not true when you say that the broadcast didn't even let a listener know there was another team present. I feel it is important for those readers out there that were not part of the events and the broadcast that evening, to understand your account of the broadcast and to be given a balance to that view.

Looking at this thread, it seems to me that you suggest that the Wheaton crew was just not being honest in the broadcast. If it wasn't your intent to rattle the cage of the Wheaton fans,suggesting that the crew wasn't being honest and it wasn't honest "reporting", does rattle my cage!

As Wheaton does provide alot of broadcasts, has them open for anyone to listen to and watch for free  in almost every case, it would be my hope that all the soccer fans out there could appreciate and be thankful for the access to these services rather than feel the need to "rip them."
 

I did not hear the opening minutes of the broadcast, so if the Wheaton broadcasters mentioned the size of the NPU crowd, then kudos to them. That and the throw-in comment makes two mentions, not three. And I did not say that they were inaccurate when they cited Pavlak's excellent marking of Hills; I said that they did not give any context at all to the statement by giving Hills credit for being a great player, which is true.

Look, I do appreciate the fact that Wheaton broadcasts its games for free on the Internet, just as I appreciate it whenever any school does so. It's a great service for fans, not just the fans of that particular team ... and as someone who is involved with D3 sports webcasting himself, I think it's great when people who do not follow my team click on the link and watch the games I call. But just because a service is free does not make it immune to criticism. The fact of the matter is that the Wheaton guys just did not do a good job in the CCIW tourney championship game, and they did neglect mentioning the NPU team to the degree that it adversely impacted their coverage. Sorry that you take such umbrage at that, but it's nevertheless true.

The UWO broadcasters did a much better job than did the Wheaton guys, incidentally, in terms of describing the play of both teams and being even-handed with their compliments and criticisms this past weekend. Where they were lacking, though, was their pre-game prep. They obviously didn't check with anyone from NPU before either the match vs. Hope or the match vs. UWO, because they continually referred to Filip Lindmark as "Peter Gauss." Now, if you look at the online roster for North Park you'd figure that the player wearing #21 is Pyotr Gwozdz and that Lindmark is #20, so it's easy to understand how they made that mistake when they saw #21 on the field. But that's why, if you're going to be working behind a microphone, you ask a coach or a trainer before a game how to pronounce the names of players; the UWO guys were obviously winging it with the pronunciation of #21's presumed name (you can't tell me that you'd know how to pronounce Pyotr Gwozdz's name without having to ask first ;)), and they didn't pronounce Sehten Hills' first name correctly, either.

It's important for P.A. announcers and for broadcasters to check with the staff of an opposing team to make sure that: a) the roster as printed is correct; and b) any possibly dicey pronunciation problems with regard to player names are cleared up.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on November 18, 2010, 10:41:52 am
Lots of commentary on the commentators here.  I can't say that I have much experience listening or watching games online but did so for the NP-Wheaton match and I appreciate the fact that Wheaton provides this service.  Though I'm certainly no neutral party, I agree with Greg's assessment.  Case in point: as a listener (I couldn't get the video the whole time) I couldn't even tell when NP scored.  The WETN guys didn't announce it for quite some time after the fact; they simply got quieter and markedly less excited (which was my best indication that something good had happened for the Vikings).  I understand that it was a Wheaton broadcast.  Be biased--that's fine.  But at the very least report the game and acknowledge the opposition. 

On another note, anyone get in on the D3sports.com Pick'em Contest?  I entered my picks before everything got going but apparently they didn't go though because my bracket is blank and I'm not scoring any points.  As best I can tell, I should have 38 points and be tied for 8th.  Anyone else have this problem?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: DRC on November 19, 2010, 05:11:54 pm
Hey Sager - For one so adamant about completing your advance research and getting the facts & names correct during your broadcasts, I recommend that you set a good example and correct the error in your message posted on 11/15 at 2:12 PM.  Unfortunately, you misidentified the NPU player who was whistled for the foul in the box.  If you must ID the player by name (which is really unnecessary), take your own advice and get the facts straight.  And please don't blame your mistake on what you might have heard during the UWO broadcast; you shouldn't try to be a sideline reporter from > 100 miles away.   
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 22, 2010, 06:11:32 pm
I don't agree that it's unnecessary to identify the player in question. And I don't see anything wrong with trying to analyze a game seen via video, as long as you make it clear that that's what you're doing. And the UWO announcers did identify Greg as the NPU player who committed the foul in question. (The player's number was obscured during the play.)

Nevertheless, since Greg was not the one who committed the foul and I incorrectly attributed it to him, I apologize to him.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 23, 2011, 10:36:49 am
Great news for the NPU soccer team, announced on the air of the North Park basketball broadcast last night during my halftime interview with John Born. Kris Grahn, reigning CCIW Player of the Year, has elected to return to NPU to finish out his career. He is graduating early in May, but he has decided to return in the fall to start the MBA program at NPU, so he'll play his senior season as a grad student. Great to hear if you're a Vikings fan!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on January 26, 2011, 09:14:36 am
Great news for the NPU soccer team, announced on the air of the North Park basketball broadcast last night during my halftime interview with John Born. Kris Grahn, reigning CCIW Player of the Year, has elected to return to NPU to finish out his career. He is graduating early in May, but he has decided to return in the fall to start the MBA program at NPU, so he'll play his senior season as a grad student. Great to hear if you're a Vikings fan!

Thanks for the update.  I hope the other new Swedish players return as well.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on January 26, 2011, 09:53:55 am
Is there reason to think they won't?

As the father of a Wheaton player, the most fun we had all year was the two North Park games.  I just wish the second game had turned out differently. :'(
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on January 26, 2011, 10:52:00 am
Is there reason to think they won't?

As the father of a Wheaton player, the most fun we had all year was the two North Park games.  I just wish the second game had turned out differently. :'(

Living abroad isn't for everyone - or perhaps they just wanted a 1 year experience. 

Just possibilities.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 26, 2011, 05:37:39 pm
Is there reason to think they won't?

As the father of a Wheaton player, the most fun we had all year was the two North Park games.  I just wish the second game had turned out differently. :'(

Living abroad isn't for everyone - or perhaps they just wanted a 1 year experience. 

Just possibilities.


John Born also said in the interview that in the locker room after the loss to UW-Oshkosh in the second round of the D3 tourney, one of the key Swedes for NPU, freshman forward Filip Lindmark said, "We can't be satisfied. Next year we'll go farther." That leads me to believe that he, at least, is coming back. I haven't heard anything about any other member of the team who still has eligibility not coming back.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: matblake on June 23, 2011, 01:31:33 pm
Wheaton coach back for Uganda:
http://athletics.wheaton.edu/news/2011/6/23/MSOC_0623111806.aspx
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on August 03, 2011, 04:09:57 pm
The Wheaton men's soccer team is leaving today for a 13 day trip to Kenya where they will play top Kenyan teams, build soccer fields as a service project, and lead soccer camps for many of Nairobi's poorest youth.  More information will be contained on a blog to be found on Wheaton's athletic website at www.wheaton.edu
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 14, 2011, 01:18:55 pm
The CCIW preseason poll is out, and there's a dead heat for first place. (http://www.cciw.org/news/2011/8/3/MS_0803115708.aspx) Both 2010 tournament champion North Park and 2010 regular-season champion Wheaton received 45 points and four first-place votes in the poll.

Circle Saturday, October 8 on your calendar. That's the date that the next iteration of the rivalry will take place, as NPU and Wheaton will mix it up at Joe Bean Stadium that evening.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on August 15, 2011, 10:30:28 am
There were rumors last year about some of the Swedish-born North Park players possibly transferring out.  For the sake of competitiveness, I hope this isn't the case.  Can you provide an update?

Wheaton's men's team will be scrimmaging at Northwestern this Friday evening at 7:00.  It will be an interesting test for this young Wheaton team that graduated just one regular starter from last season.  The Thunder are winding down their trip to Kenya, and will land at O'Hare on Wednesday, with official training to start on Thursday.  Then on to Evanston for the scrimmage.

The Wheaton trip to Kenya is reported in a blog on the Wheaton athletic website.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 15, 2011, 11:12:30 am
There were rumors last year about some of the Swedish-born North Park players possibly transferring out.  For the sake of competitiveness, I hope this isn't the case.  Can you provide an update?

It wasn't really a rumor, per se. It was just Gotberg's acknowledgment of the fact that not every Swede finds schooling in America to be to his or her liking. As far as I know, all of the Swedes from last year's NPU side were planning to return for the 2011 season. I'll give an update on the Vikings roster when I know more.

North Park opens up with the annual varsity vs. alumni contest a week from Saturday, always a spirited affair. And I like the NPU schedule this year; three teams that were highly-ranked in last season's final d3soccer.com poll, #3 UW-Oshkosh, #10 UW-Whitewater, and #13 Dominican, will be visiting Hedstrand Field this fall. The Vikings will also be traveling to North Carolina, where they will take on North Carolina Wesleyan (which spent almost all of last year in the Others Receiving Votes category in the d3soccer.com poll) and Methodist.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on August 15, 2011, 11:34:58 am
Likewise Wheaton, as usual, has a make-or-break schedule.  Sadly, last year was a "break".

In addition to the Northwestern scrimmage, they play the following teams from last year's final d3soccer.com poll:

3-UW-Oshkosh
5-Ohio Wesleyan
6-Calvin
13-Dominican

ORV-North Park and Hope

Of these, only Dominican and North Park are at home.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 15, 2011, 02:11:53 pm
There were rumors last year about some of the Swedish-born North Park players possibly transferring out.  For the sake of competitiveness, I hope this isn't the case.  Can you provide an update?

It wasn't really a rumor, per se. It was just Gotberg's acknowledgment of the fact that not every Swede finds schooling in America to be to his or her liking. As far as I know, all of the Swedes from last year's NPU side were planning to return for the 2011 season. I'll give an update on the Vikings roster when I know more.

North Park opens up with the annual varsity vs. alumni contest a week from Saturday, always a spirited affair. And I like the NPU schedule this year; three teams that were highly-ranked in last season's final d3soccer.com poll, #3 UW-Oshkosh, #10 UW-Whitewater, and #13 Dominican, will be visiting Hedstrand Field this fall. The Vikings will also be traveling to North Carolina, where they will take on North Carolina Wesleyan (which spent almost all of last year in the Others Receiving Votes category in the d3soccer.com poll) and Methodist.

Greg,

I look forward to hearing about incoming players and glad to hear key eligible players seem to be returning. 

Sorry augie77 if my question last year about the Swedes returning caused confusion.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: IdahoSoccer on August 22, 2011, 11:22:31 am
Likewise Wheaton, as usual, has a make-or-break schedule.  Sadly, last year was a "break".

In addition to the Northwestern scrimmage, they play the following teams from last year's final d3soccer.com poll:

3-UW-Oshkosh
5-Ohio Wesleyan
6-Calvin
13-Dominican

ORV-North Park and Hope

Of these, only Dominican and North Park are at home.

Wheaton also plays Loras ranked #15, at wheaton
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 25, 2011, 11:45:19 am
I caught an NPU scrimmage last night. (By the way, it was awfully impressive to see about 150 students in attendance, considering that yesterday was the first day of North Park's New Student Orientation and most of the non-freshmen aren't even required to be on campus until this weekend.) The Vikings roster is at about forty or so players again, and there's a lot of size; this team's less likely to be physically manhandled than was the case with last year's edition. It's also less likely to use English as its language on the field, as there's either fourteen or seventeen Swedes on the roster this year (depending upon whom you ask, as the official roster isn't posted yet). There's also a Norwegian, who looks really good, and a few players from other countries as well (Spain, England, etc.).

It's going to be a very, very good NPU side. I'm really looking forward to this season.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on August 25, 2011, 12:46:00 pm
How did the Vikings do--and who was the opponent? 

Wheaton scrimmaged at Norhwestern last week-end, losing 4-0.  The encuraging thing is that despite Wheaton missing three starting defenders due to nagging injuries it was scoreless until nearly halftime, and Wheaton had chances to score.  Northwestern poured it on against a busload of Thunder reserves in the second half (Northwestern only dressed 25 or so).  The pre-season roster of 38 has since been cut to 29.  Updated roster is on the web site.

I believe Wheaton is taking North park seriously these days, as well they should.  I expect some tremendous rivalry games between the two teams in the years to come.

Northwestern has a tremendous soccer venue; the three year old stadium is right on Lake Michigan, with the lake immediately behind the field and player benches (fan's perspective).
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 25, 2011, 01:33:30 pm
How did the Vikings do--and who was the opponent?

They beat Oakton, 5-2, which doesn't mean much. Oakton's the Chicagoland area's premier soccer juco, but, nevertheless, it's still just a juco. The Vikings scored five goals in pretty rapid succession in the first half, gave up a surprise goal late in the half that demonstrated that the regular-season mental focus still isn't quite there yet, and then John Born cleared his bench for what was a scoreless second half until Oakton added another goal very late.

The Vikings didn't dress a couple of starters due to injury, one of them being All-CCIW first-team midfielder Filip Lindmark, so last night was a showcase for a lot of new faces. And that was what was so impressive: The skill level of the newcomers who were playing with the first team is extremely high. Once these guys all get used to playing with each other, the Vikings should be a real force.

Saturday night's the annual match with the alumni, and I'm really looking forward to that.

I believe Wheaton is taking North park seriously these days, as well they should.  I expect some tremendous rivalry games between the two teams in the years to come.

It's already been a good rivalry for several years now, although I think it's going to get even better. I know for a fact that the Wheaton players get very keyed up to play NPU.  It's gratifying to finally see Wheaton start reciprocating the zealous antipathy that North Park has always demonstrated towards Wheaton, even if it is only in one sport. Wheaton's perennially blithe indifference towards North Park has only made Parkers even angrier when the subject of Wheaton comes up. Nice to see that there's now some rivalry juice on the opposite side of the fence as well.

Every NPU soccer fan has circled Saturday, October 8 on his or her calendar.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 26, 2011, 08:46:56 am
How did the Vikings do--and who was the opponent?

They beat Oakton, 5-2, which doesn't mean much. Oakton's the Chicagoland area's premier soccer juco, but, nevertheless, it's still just a juco. The Vikings scored five goals in pretty rapid succession in the first half, gave up a surprise goal late in the half that demonstrated that the regular-season mental focus still isn't quite there yet, and then John Born cleared his bench for what was a scoreless second half until Oakton added another goal very late.

The Vikings didn't dress a couple of starters due to injury, one of them being All-CCIW first-team midfielder Filip Lindmark, so last night was a showcase for a lot of new faces. And that was what was so impressive: The skill level of the newcomers who were playing with the first team is extremely high. Once these guys all get used to playing with each other, the Vikings should be a real force.

Saturday night's the annual match with the alumni, and I'm really looking forward to that.

I believe Wheaton is taking North park seriously these days, as well they should.  I expect some tremendous rivalry games between the two teams in the years to come.

It's already been a good rivalry for several years now, although I think it's going to get even better. I know for a fact that the Wheaton players get very keyed up to play NPU.  It's gratifying to finally see Wheaton start reciprocating the zealous antipathy that North Park has always demonstrated towards Wheaton, even if it is only in one sport. Wheaton's perennially blithe indifference towards North Park has only made Parkers even angrier when the subject of Wheaton comes up. Nice to see that there's now some rivalry juice on the opposite side of the fence as well.

Every NPU soccer fan has circled Saturday, October 8 on his or her calendar.

Thanks for the update.  I hope the NPU website is updated soon with the roster and perhaps a small profile of the players and a season preview.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 27, 2011, 08:09:04 am
North Park's 2011 roster has been posted:  http://northpark.edu/Athletics/Mens-Sports/Soccer/Roster

It appears that very few regular players from last year's team have returned.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 27, 2011, 06:37:15 pm
Hannes Granlund, Sehten Hills, and Mike Herbst elected not to return, and James Kriticos, Kyle Connelly, and Greg Domanico all graduated (Domanico's now on the NPU coaching staff as a graduate assistant), which leaves Tim Ahlberg, Ryan McNaughton, Kris Grahn, Oskar Joelsson, and Filip Lindmark as returning starters. That's still almost half of last year's starting lineup that's back this season. Plus, former starter Sebastian Pilat is back after missing a year to injury and taking a medical redshirt, and several heavily-used reserves from last year's side -- Effy Restrepo, Tomislav Medved, Kyle Krutsinger, and Erik Kinhammar, all of whom played in at least eight matches last season -- are back as well. And there are several newcomers who look good enough to step into the starting lineup right away.

I understand your concern over losing Granlund, Hills, and Herbst prematurely, but think you'll be very pleasantly surprised by how much talent the Vikings have this year.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 27, 2011, 09:26:34 pm
Hannes Granlund, Sehten Hills, and Mike Herbst elected not to return, and James Kriticos, Kyle Connelly, and Greg Domanico all graduated (Domanico's now on the NPU coaching staff as a graduate assistant), which leaves Tim Ahlberg, Ryan McNaughton, Kris Grahn, Oskar Joelsson, and Filip Lindmark as returning starters. That's still almost half of last year's starting lineup that's back this season. Plus, former starter Sebastian Pilat is back after missing a year to injury and taking a medical redshirt, and several heavily-used reserves from last year's side -- Effy Restrepo, Tomislav Medved, Kyle Krutsinger, and Erik Kinhammar, all of whom played in at least eight matches last season -- are back as well. And there are several newcomers who look good enough to step into the starting lineup right away.

I understand your concern over losing Granlund, Hills, and Herbst prematurely, but think you'll be very pleasantly surprised by how much talent the Vikings have this year.

Some concern, but mostly observation.  Granlund was really an outstanding defender and distributor from the back.  He will be missed no doubt.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 30, 2011, 08:40:07 am
Sehten Hills is back in school and on the team:

http://northpark.edu/Athletics/Mens-Sports/Soccer/Roster

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 30, 2011, 12:34:52 pm
Sehten Hills is back in school and on the team:

http://northpark.edu/Athletics/Mens-Sports/Soccer/Roster

Yeah, he was at the alumni scrimmage wearing an NPU soccer polo, and I discovered that he was sharing an apartment with a couple of current members of the team, so I figured that he was either going to be a part of the coaching staff or would be using his final year of eligibility on the playing field.

Anyway, it's good to have him back.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 30, 2011, 01:18:45 pm
NPU also has a couple of good Freshman from Holland, MI  - Beal and Carter.  I wish they had elected to stay in the area and play for Hope (both of their mothers are Hope grads).  I coached Jake Carter in rec league starting when he was 6 or 7.  Here's a great article about the two from the Holland Sentinel:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x1852627744/Holland-soccers-Jake-Carter-Hadyn-Beal-to-stay-teammates-in-college
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 30, 2011, 02:56:48 pm
When I saw on the Vikings roster last week that both Jacob Carter and Hadyn Beal were from Holland, I was curious as to why neither went to Hope. Carter saw some time in the last two scrimmages off the bench; I can't remember if Beal did or not.

Nice article, FDF, but Lee Lamberts of the Holland Sentinel really needs to acquaint himself with the fact that it's North Park University, not North Park College. The school changed its name a full decade and a half ago. NPU has played Hope fairly often in various sports over the last fifteen years -- including the first round of last season's D3 soccer tourney -- so there's no excuse for him to mess this up. Heck, the photo that accompanies his story even shows Hadyn Beal wearing a North Park University t-shirt.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on August 30, 2011, 03:15:35 pm
When I saw on the Vikings roster last week that both Jacob Carter and Hadyn Beal were from Holland, I was curious as to why neither went to Hope. Carter saw some time in the last two scrimmages off the bench; I can't remember if Beal did or not.

Nice article, FDF, but Lee Lamberts of the Holland Sentinel really needs to acquaint himself with the fact that it's North Park University, not North Park College. The school changed its name a full decade and a half ago. NPU has played Hope fairly often in various sports over the last fifteen years -- including the first round of last season's D3 soccer tourney -- so there's no excuse for him to mess this up. Heck, the photo that accompanies his story even shows Hadyn Beal wearing a North Park University t-shirt.

Unfortunately, that error is minuscule compared to the typical errors that occur on a daily basis in our local rag.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 30, 2011, 03:28:44 pm
The national preseason poll is out. (http://www.d3soccer.com/top25/index) Wheaton is #24, North Park is #28. Other teams from the region that received votes include #7 Dominican, #14 Calvin, #17 Wash U, and #35 Chicago.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 01, 2011, 08:57:21 pm
NPU opened its season this evening with a 1-0 victory at Aurora. Freshman forward Jonas Pettersson scored in the seventeenth minute off of an assist from Kris Grahn. The Spartans only managed one shot on goal for the game.

NPU is next in action on Sunday night, when #7 Dominican comes to town for the Vikings' home opener.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 02, 2011, 08:47:22 am
NPU opened its season this evening with a 1-0 victory at Aurora. Freshman forward Jonas Pettersson scored in the seventeenth minute off of an assist from Kris Grahn. The Spartans only managed one shot on goal for the game.

NPU is next in action on Sunday night, when #7 Dominican comes to town for the Vikings' home opener.

Pettersen didn't play after the 20th minute.  Was he injured?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 02, 2011, 11:34:03 am
NPU opened its season this evening with a 1-0 victory at Aurora. Freshman forward Jonas Pettersson scored in the seventeenth minute off of an assist from Kris Grahn. The Spartans only managed one shot on goal for the game.

NPU is next in action on Sunday night, when #7 Dominican comes to town for the Vikings' home opener.

Pettersen didn't play after the 20th minute.  Was he injured?

I'm not sure. I was busy umping a softball game, so I wasn't in Aurora last night. John Born shuttled a lot of people in and out of the lineup last night, so I'm not jumping to any conclusions.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: IdahoSoccer on September 03, 2011, 02:07:57 pm
Loras 2 Wheaton 1 - Wheaton was moved into the top 25 and Loras moved out since the final poll from last year. Lets see tonight if that was a good move by D3Soccer? DuHawks handled North Central last night while Wheaton squeaked by Covenant, I think Loras is too tough
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on September 05, 2011, 09:51:05 am
I'm surprised no one has commented on the North Park win over Dominican. Did north park look really good, or is Dominican over rated or both?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on September 05, 2011, 02:27:08 pm
I missed the first Viking goal; Sager told me it was a beautiful play.  BU had a couple shots miss wide in the first half and the Vikings clearly dominated the second half.  On the second goal, the keeper blocked a rocket, gave up a rebound, and a Swede buried the ball from very close.  I didn't see anything on the field that would warrant a top ten ranking.  Plus, All-American Grahn sat nearly all of the second half, and All-Conference Lindmark did not play at all.

 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on September 05, 2011, 09:40:50 pm
Well, you know how those preseason polls go... a lot of last year in the mix!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: coffeeshoptheologian on September 05, 2011, 11:46:28 pm
Loras 2 Wheaton 1 - Wheaton was moved into the top 25 and Loras moved out since the final poll from last year. Lets see tonight if that was a good move by D3Soccer? DuHawks handled North Central last night while Wheaton squeaked by Covenant, I think Loras is too tough

Score was other way around, Wheaton 2 - Loras 1. I didn't see the game, but here's the Wheaton article: http://athletics.wheaton.edu/news/2011/9/3/MSOC_loras.aspx?path=msoccer.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 06, 2011, 11:37:38 am
It was an interesting match on Sunday. Dominican actually had a lot more good looks at the net than did North Park. The Stars got off 16 shots to NPU's 6, although NPU netminder Tim Ahlberg was only called upon to make one save all evening. The Stars headed a couple of balls over the crossbar, and shot a couple of ten-yarders wide that appeared to be very good goal chances. Dominican also had eight corner kicks, plus a number of short-range foul kicks and a few throw-ins deep in the NPU end that were tantamount to corner kicks, since a couple of the Stars have some prodigious throwing arms -- but it was all for naught, as the Park's improved size and strength this year keeps opponents from getting position in the box on set pieces.

NPU, however, made the most of its own chances on offense. The first goal was a thing of beauty, a behind-the-back touch pass in the 20th minute from freshman Johann Pettersson to a streaking sophomore Robin Hals that resulted in a breakaway and an authoritative shot into the back of the net. The second came off of a rebound in the 63rd minute, as Kris Grahn's point-blank shot rocketed off of the chest of the DU keeper and Pettersson was there to put it away.

As Mark indicated, the most impressive thing about the win was that NPU was shorthanded in the playmaker department. Of NPU's four returning All-CCIW first-teamers, only Ahlberg played the entire match. Filip Lindmark didn't even dress, and won't until he's fully healthy; Sehten Hills did dress, but spent the entire match on the bench; and Grahn played sparingly, as he nurses a minor injury as well. That's the most impressive thing about this NPU team: It's incredibly deep. I have to believe that there aren't a lot of sides out there that could be missing three All-Conference first-team players and still manage to beat a top ten team, 2-0.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 08, 2011, 11:46:31 am
NPU beat Concordia IL last night, 5-1, but it could've been 10-1 if that's what the Vikings had wanted. John Born subbed early and often, playing a whopping 28 players in all -- and he's still missing a few injured starters, to boot. Lots of picturesque goals last night, although the most impressive one -- a tight-angle shot from the left by freshman Sigurd Pryser after his fancy footwork had completely deked out the defender, a shot whose narrow angle was the same as Patrick Kane's Stanley-Cup-winning goal a year ago for the Blackhawks -- got called back due to a phantom foul (keeper interference).

Last night's fun and games against a totally overmatched opponent will be long forgotten on Saturday afternoon, however, as UW-Oshkosh -- the team that knocked NPU out of the NCAA tourney last fall and reached the Final Four -- comes to Hedstrand Field to take on the Vikings in their most serious test to date. The Titans (1-1) return seven starters from last season's 20-1-3 side that didn't lose a match until the national semifinals against eventual champion Messiah.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 10, 2011, 07:47:17 pm
North Park and U-W Oshkosh ended 1-1.  Probably a fair result.  Grahn did hit the post twice for NP.

Sebastian Pilat did not play as I believe I overheard he had an exam today.  Filip Lindmark was dressed and participated in pre-game drills, but did not play.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 11, 2011, 10:33:04 am
Yep, Pilat had a choice: Take the state exam for education yesterday, or take it on the first day of the NCAA tourney. Given NPU's expectations for this season, it was a no-brainer as to which day to take the exam.

UWO scored early, and NPU had to play from behind for most of the match. I was very impressed by UWO's passing ability, more so than last season when I saw them play the Vikings in the second round of the NCAAs. The Titans returned seven starters from that Final Four team, and you could see just how completely in sync with each other they are; almost every pass, especially in the first half before NPU started to physically wear them down a bit, was foot-to-foot. The Park has the better players, but at this point I'd say that UWO plays better as a team. The good thing about that for NPU is that the Vikes can continue to grow into their chemistry and mental synchronization.

Very defensive match; only five shots on goal all day (I think; the stats aren't up yet, but I remember taking a look at them up in the booth late in the second half).

I asked John Born afterwards if this tie was one of those kiss-your-sister ties; he said it was more of a kiss-your-attractive-second-cousin sort of tie. That seems like an apt description; while NPU expects to beat every opponent that it faces, tying one of the premier powers in D3 on a day when your lineup is short-handed seems like at least a satisfactory conclusion.

NPU's next match is Tuesday evening at home against Born's alma mater, Concordia WI (2-2).
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 13, 2011, 09:36:20 pm
tonight is the second night I am trying to watch some of the NPU home game on my computer, but the service is awful again.  I have to reload the game every 3 minutes because the video freezes.

For the school's sake, I hope the service is free.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 13, 2011, 10:01:29 pm
hard to say for sure, but I believe the final at NPU was NPU 4, Concordia 1.

Sehten Hills with 1 and Jonas Pettersson with hat trick with 2 scored in the final few minutes.  I believe that gives Pettersson 7 on the season.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on September 14, 2011, 12:21:58 pm
North Park looks to be the real deal this year!! Just how good are they?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 14, 2011, 01:10:18 pm
NPU played a pretty desultory first half last night. I'm sure that part of the reason was that John Born once again had to re-jigger the starting lineup -- NPU has had to change the starters for every match it's played this season -- but I think that some of it was simply complacency. The passing was not crisp at all, and CUW -- a solid side, albeit one without any depth at all -- generally outplayed the Vikings throughout most of the opening stanza. It was going to be a 1-0 halftime lead for the Falcons, but with 1.4 seconds left in the half Sehten Hills boomed an arcing side-kick that hooked into the net from forty yards out. It was one of the most impressive long-distance goals I've ever seen.

The second half was a different story. Because the Falcons have no depth -- they only subbed once the entire match -- John Born decided to run his alma mater's side into the ground, subbing at frequent intervals (North Park played 18 players last night) and employing a lot of sideline-to-sideline passing that forced CUW to do a lot of east-west running. They were gassed by the end, and the Vikes took advantage of it. After Pettersson's first goal broke the tie about ten minutes into the second half, NPU continued to put steady pressure on the Falcons rather than sit on the 2-1 lead. It paid off at the end of the match, when Robin Hals on the right wing made a perfect long diagonal pass to Pettersson, who outran the defense and floated a shot over the CUW keeper's shoulder from the left. Less than a minute later, the Vikings executed the exact same play: Long diagonal pass from Hals on the right wing to Pettersson, Pettersson outruns the defense, Pettersson floats one past the keeper from the left.

I was the P.A. announcer for the game, and after announcing the hat trick for Pettersson I was pleased to discover that the Swedish term for three goals scored in a single match is also "hat trick" (http://www.definitions.net/definition/hat%20trick). That saves me the worry of having to pronounce somethng exotic into the mic if this happens again. ;)

It was a nice way to celebrate NPU's being slotted tenth in the nation in this week's d3soccer.com poll.

North Park looks to be the real deal this year!! Just how good are they?

We'll find out once the Vikings are finally healthy and fielding their projected starting lineup. One thing we do know is that they are deep; even with several star players either out of the lineup or not playing at 100%, the Park is playing some highly proficient and athletically impressive soccer, even though the Vikings really haven't gelled as a unit yet.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 14, 2011, 07:29:33 pm
Wheaton moved up as well in the poll, from #24 to #18, but then unranked Chicago played Wheaton to a scoreless tie at Joe Bean Stadium last night. I wonder if that's going to hurt Wheaton in the next poll, especially since its next two matches, this coming weekend in Michigan, are against two traditionally solid sides (Calvin and Hope) that are having early-season struggles and are not currently receiving any votes?

NPU is off to North Carolina this weekend to take on Methodist and North Carolina Wesleyan in a tournament. Interestingly, two of North Park's sophomore starters from Sweden (Robin Hals and Jakob Aronsson) are transfers from North Carolina Wesleyan.

Most of the rest of the league appears to be holding its own early on, although Carthage (1-3) is off to a slow start and Millikin (0-5) continues to struggle.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on September 18, 2011, 06:46:28 am
NP plays to a 1-1 draw against Methodist.  Anyone get to watch the game online? 

More surprisingly, Wheaton falls 4-0 to Hope, dropping both games on their Michigan road trip.  The last time the Thunder got a drubbing like this was at the hands of Messiah in the national tournament in 08.  Ouch!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on September 18, 2011, 08:54:51 am
Here's the write up from the NPU v. Methodist game.  It's weird to read an article that puts North Park as the clear favorite, but I suppose as they are ranked #13 we'd better get used to it!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 18, 2011, 10:15:07 am
NP plays to a 1-1 draw against Methodist.  Anyone get to watch the game online? 

More surprisingly, Wheaton falls 4-0 to Hope, dropping both games on their Michigan road trip.  The last time the Thunder got a drubbing like this was at the hands of Messiah in the national tournament in 08.  Ouch!

There was no overtime in the NPU game.  I assume that was the case because of the 2 games in 2 days and the game was out of region, so the result will not factor into determining if a school qualifies for an NCAA tourney at-large bid.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 18, 2011, 05:17:21 pm
NPU tied North Carolina Wesleyan today, 3-3. Two ties against beatable sides ... not a good weekend for the Vikings at all.

The Vikings are off until next Saturday evening, when they open the CCIW portion of the slate with a home match against Illinois Wesleyan under the lights.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Dark Knight on September 18, 2011, 05:28:01 pm
Wheaton moved up as well in the poll, from #24 to #18, but then unranked Chicago played Wheaton to a scoreless tie at Joe Bean Stadium last night. I wonder if that's going to hurt Wheaton in the next poll, especially since its next two matches, this coming weekend in Michigan, are against two traditionally solid sides (Calvin and Hope) that are having early-season struggles and are not currently receiving any votes?

NPU is off to North Carolina this weekend to take on Methodist and North Carolina Wesleyan in a tournament. Interestingly, two of North Park's sophomore starters from Sweden (Robin Hals and Jakob Aronsson) are transfers from North Carolina Wesleyan.

Most of the rest of the league appears to be holding its own early on, although Carthage (1-3) is off to a slow start and Millikin (0-5) continues to struggle.

Is Wheaton supposed to be having a down year? I only saw a part of the first half of the Wheaton-Calvin game, but Wheaton didn't really look competitive. For one thing, their defense couldn't keep up with the speed of Calvin's forwards.  Calvin won the majority of the middie battles too. (From the box score, the second half was apparently much more competitive.)

Or, maybe Calvin and Hope are starting to get their acts together.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 18, 2011, 05:52:22 pm
Is Wheaton supposed to be having a down year?

No. In fact, Wheaton and NPU were picked to finish in a dead heat for first in the CCIW preseason poll, both in terms of points and first-place votes. Wheaton returned a roster that was made up in large part of freshmen and sophomores last season, and the thinking around here was that last season's Wheaton side was thus prepared to take a big leap forward, particularly since the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance is again playing a really tough schedule that should be honing the collective game of Mike Giuliano's squad to a fine edge. I'm as baffled as anybody as to why the Wheaties played so badly on the other side of the lake this weekend.

However, I'm not in a position to point at Wheaton's stumbles and laugh, in spite of the fact that every cell in my royal-blue-and-gold-bleeding body cries out for schadenfreude whenever Wheaton stumbles at anything. ;) As I said, NPU did not play well this weekend, either. Those two ties in the Tarheel State are nagging, even though, as Gotberg said, they won't figure into the NCAA tournament equation.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: dennis_prikkel on September 18, 2011, 07:32:18 pm
Is Wheaton supposed to be having a down year?

No. In fact, Wheaton and NPU were picked to finish in a dead heat for first in the CCIW preseason poll, both in terms of points and first-place votes. Wheaton returned a roster that was made up in large part of freshmen and sophomores last season, and the thinking around here was that last season's Wheaton side was thus prepared to take a big leap forward, particularly since the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance is again playing a really tough schedule that should be honing the collective game of Mike Giuliano's squad to a fine edge. I'm as baffled as anybody as to why the Wheaties played so badly on the other side of the lake this weekend.

However, I'm not in a position to point at Wheaton's stumbles and laugh, in spite of the fact that every cell in my royal-blue-and-gold-bleeding body cries out for schadenfreude whenever Wheaton stumbles at anything. ;) As I said, NPU did not play well this weekend, either. Those two ties in the Tarheel State are nagging, even though, as Gotberg said, they won't figure into the NCAA tournament equation.

is this the first time NPC/NPU has ever faced a team in any sport from North Carolina?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 18, 2011, 08:25:50 pm
That's a good question. I'm inclined to say "yes", because I don't remember a North Park team ever traveling to North Carolina before, and I also don't remember any team from that state ever traveling to Foster Avenue for competition.

I'd say that, if there ever was a contest between an NPU/NPC squad and an opponent from North Carolina, it must've taken place in a really obscure context, such as a volleyball tournament on a third party's campus.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: dennis_prikkel on September 18, 2011, 08:35:49 pm
That's a good question. I'm inclined to say "yes", because I don't remember a North Park team ever traveling to North Carolina before, and I also don't remember any team from that state ever traveling to Foster Avenue for competition.

I'd say that, if there ever was a contest between an NPU/NPC squad and an opponent from North Carolina, it must've taken place in a really obscure context, such as a volleyball tournament on a third party's campus.

or a spring training game in softball or baseball
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 18, 2011, 09:22:03 pm
That's probably even more likely.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on September 19, 2011, 10:34:36 am
Shaking cobwebs, I think the football team lost at home to NC Wesleyan in the post-Liljegren era.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 19, 2011, 01:15:44 pm
Shaking cobwebs, I think the football team lost at home to NC Wesleyan in the post-Liljegren era.

Nope. Perhaps you're thinking of Northwestern (MN), which beat NPU in Chicago in Liljegren's last season (2000) and in Minnesota in Cooper's first season (2001).
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on September 19, 2011, 01:17:12 pm
That's a good question. I'm inclined to say "yes", because I don't remember a North Park team ever traveling to North Carolina before, and I also don't remember any team from that state ever traveling to Foster Avenue for competition.

I'd say that, if there ever was a contest between an NPU/NPC squad and an opponent from North Carolina, it must've taken place in a really obscure context, such as a volleyball tournament on a third party's campus.

or a spring training game in softball or baseball

The baseball team played Lenoir-Rhyne College from Hickory NC, in 1985, losing 16-15.   (http://www.cadillac76.com/baseball/history/season/1985_results.html)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 19, 2011, 01:21:00 pm
That's a good question. I'm inclined to say "yes", because I don't remember a North Park team ever traveling to North Carolina before, and I also don't remember any team from that state ever traveling to Foster Avenue for competition.

I'd say that, if there ever was a contest between an NPU/NPC squad and an opponent from North Carolina, it must've taken place in a really obscure context, such as a volleyball tournament on a third party's campus.

or a spring training game in softball or baseball

The baseball team played Lenoir-Rhyne College from Hickory NC, in 1985, losing 16-15.   (http://www.cadillac76.com/baseball/history/season/1985_results.html)

Wow! The Vikings actually started the '85 baseball campaign by playing three schools based in North Carolina: Gardner-Webb University, Lenoir-Rhyne University, and St. Andrews Presbyterian College. Excellent detective work, Dr. B!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on September 19, 2011, 01:27:50 pm
That's a good question. I'm inclined to say "yes", because I don't remember a North Park team ever traveling to North Carolina before, and I also don't remember any team from that state ever traveling to Foster Avenue for competition.

I'd say that, if there ever was a contest between an NPU/NPC squad and an opponent from North Carolina, it must've taken place in a really obscure context, such as a volleyball tournament on a third party's campus.

or a spring training game in softball or baseball

The baseball team played Lenoir-Rhyne College from Hickory NC, in 1985, losing 16-15.   (http://www.cadillac76.com/baseball/history/season/1985_results.html)

Wow! The Vikings actually started the '85 baseball campaign by playing three schools based in North Carolina: Gardner-Webb University, Lenoir-Rhyne University, and St. Andrews Presbyterian College. Excellent detective work, Dr. B!
Sorry I don't have the locations of the games played -- I'd hazard a guess at Gardner-Webb (Boiling Springs NC) (http://gardner-webb.edu/), but I'd have to do some more research on  that point.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on September 19, 2011, 04:42:30 pm
Greg, I'm late on this, but kudos for using the word "desultory" on a soccer board. In fact, kudos for you even posting on this board - and posting well, I might add. Then to see Dennis? Mark? What's next? Nationally televised soccer matches in prime-time?!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 19, 2011, 05:13:08 pm
Greg, I'm late on this, but kudos for using the word "desultory" on a soccer board. In fact, kudos for you even posting on this board - and posting well, I might add. Then to see Dennis? Mark? What's next? Nationally televised soccer matches in prime-time?!

Oh, the horror! :D
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 19, 2011, 07:27:01 pm
Greg, I'm late on this, but kudos for using the word "desultory" on a soccer board. In fact, kudos for you even posting on this board - and posting well, I might add. Then to see Dennis? Mark? What's next? Nationally televised soccer matches in prime-time?!

Nationally televised D3 soccer matches in prime-time, no less! ;D
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: soc4life on September 22, 2011, 11:52:07 am
What is going on with Wheaton this year? I know they have played a bit of a rough schedule, but play a little defense boys.

I haven't kept up like in years past, but the usual Wheaton supporters are pretty quiet these days... I would love to hear what's going on over in the Thunder's camp?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 22, 2011, 11:56:22 am
I usually count upon Jim to give us a read on Wheaton, but he hasn't said anything about his alma mater's side yet. The only eyewitness comments I have read on d3boards.com about Wheaton came from Loras supporters after the Wheaton vs. Loras match, and they were loaded with overwhelming Duhawk bias and plenty of tomfoolery about the refs.

Have you been able to witness any Wheaton matches yet, Jim?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 22, 2011, 01:01:01 pm
Greg,

Any word on Lindmark's return?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 22, 2011, 01:18:14 pm
I heard secondhand from one of the veteran players that Lindmark will make his season debut on Saturday night at home against Illinois Wesleyan.

That was John Born's long-term plan: Make sure that Lindmark is healthy and ready to go when CCIW play begins.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 22, 2011, 01:35:36 pm
According to the NCAA website, North Park freshman forward Jonas Pettersson is currently ranked second in D3 in goals scored with ten, one behind the national leader (the magnificently-named Eros Olazabal of Manhattanville College). Pettersson, who was this past week's CCIW Offensive Player of the Week, is also third in the nation in total points, seventh in goals per game, and ninth in points per game. He's so far out in front of the competition in every CCIW scoring category that it's not even worth mentioning. NPU has an extremely solid cadre of freshmen this year, but Pettersson in particular among the frosh has really filled a hole. He's provided a much-needed scoring spark for the Vikings, what with Kris Grahn and Sehten Hills not playing at 100% and Filip Lindmark being out all season to date with an injury.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: DIIIdad on September 22, 2011, 02:07:20 pm
What is going on with Wheaton this year? I know they have played a bit of a rough schedule, but play a little defense boys.

I haven't kept up like in years past, but the usual Wheaton supporters are pretty quiet these days... I would love to hear what's going on over in the Thunder's camp?


I can hardly believe my eyes, but in the latest NSCAA regional ranking, Augustana is ahead of Wheaton.  I wonder if that has ever been said before.  I haven't seen either team play this year, but I've seen them both plenty in the last several years, and I didn't see this coming.  Personally, I won't believe it until Augie beats Wheaton, but hey - it's still fun to say.

By the way, Augie has finally added live video of both Men's and Women's soccer for home games from new Thorson-Lucken Field. http://www.augustana.edu/x12786.xml (http://www.augustana.edu/x12786.xml)

I'm not sure which of the above is more shocking.  :)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on September 22, 2011, 07:08:54 pm
Greg, I was at the Wheaton/Loras match and it was a physical contest; lots of pulling, tugging, and some aggressive tackling. I thought Wheaton responded well to a bigger, faster team. As to the recent performance by the Thunder, I can say nothing. I hope to see more in the next week. Maybe you and I can share notes when your boys come out to the 'burbs?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 22, 2011, 09:45:26 pm
Looking forward to it, Jim.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on September 23, 2011, 12:16:36 pm
What is going on with Wheaton this year? I know they have played a bit of a rough schedule, but play a little defense boys.

I haven't kept up like in years past, but the usual Wheaton supporters are pretty quiet these days... I would love to hear what's going on over in the Thunder's camp?

Whittling complex problems to simple terms: no offensive identity = no goals, opponents frequently scoring point blank in the box, regression in play from previous seasons.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: dennis_prikkel on September 23, 2011, 02:37:44 pm
Greg, I'm late on this, but kudos for using the word "desultory" on a soccer board. In fact, kudos for you even posting on this board - and posting well, I might add. Then to see Dennis? Mark? What's next? Nationally televised soccer matches in prime-time?!

Oh, the horror! :D

i said it 30 years ago when baseball went on strike - "Soccer is a Communist Plot"
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 23, 2011, 03:21:20 pm
Greg, I'm late on this, but kudos for using the word "desultory" on a soccer board. In fact, kudos for you even posting on this board - and posting well, I might add. Then to see Dennis? Mark? What's next? Nationally televised soccer matches in prime-time?!

Oh, the horror! :D

i said it 30 years ago when baseball went on strike - "Soccer is a Communist Plot"

Yet here you are posting on Pravda! :o ;D
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 23, 2011, 03:24:55 pm
Greg, I'm late on this, but kudos for using the word "desultory" on a soccer board. In fact, kudos for you even posting on this board - and posting well, I might add. Then to see Dennis? Mark? What's next? Nationally televised soccer matches in prime-time?!

Oh, the horror! :D

i said it 30 years ago when baseball went on strike - "Soccer is a Communist Plot"

Yet here you are posting on Pravda! :o ;D

Da! Is post without the logic, Comrade Prikkel!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 24, 2011, 02:21:22 am
The conference schedule finally begins today, with IWU @ NPU for a coed double-header.  While I am quite confident that the Titan women will be all alone in first place in the conference for a few days, I fear the Viking men will hold that status for a while.  We'll know for sure in about 19 hours. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thunder38 on September 25, 2011, 02:03:05 am
The hits keep on coming for the Thunder who just can't figure themselves out as they fell to a winless Westmont team out in Cali 3-0 tonight.  Starting to wonder if it's a case of not using the talent correctly, misevaluating the pieces they have or the recruiting has just started to drop off but something is amiss with the Wheaton program and they're quickly working their way to dare I say, back to back year missing the playoffs.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 25, 2011, 08:39:22 am
NPU 4, IWU 0.

I caught the first 10 or 15 minutes of the video broadcast last night.  Mr. Domanico did a fantastic job with the broadcast and I hope he keeps that role going forward.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 25, 2011, 10:49:48 am
Very enjoyable and convincing win for NPU last night over a technically solid but seriously overmatched IWU side. Don't be surprised if the Titans get in to the CCIW tourney in the third or fourth spot. They're not as bad as the Vikings made them look last night; the Vikings are simply that good. Great to see Filip Lindmark make his season debut last night, too. He came off the bench and looked rusty but healthy.

Jonas Pettersson scored again last night; however, his nemesis Eros Olazabal of Manhattanville scored four more goals yesterday in a 4-0 win over Albright, so Jonas is going to have to content himself with being the second-leading goal scorer in the nation for at least the near future. Robin Hals, Kris Grahn, and Sehten Hills also found the back of the net for the Park.

NPU has a big non-con match coming up on Tuesday evening on the Sout' Side as the Vikes take on Chicago (5-1-1).

The hits keep on coming for the Thunder who just can't figure themselves out as they fell to a winless Westmont team out in Cali 3-0 tonight.  Starting to wonder if it's a case of not using the talent correctly, misevaluating the pieces they have or the recruiting has just started to drop off but something is amiss with the Wheaton program and they're quickly working their way to dare I say, back to back year missing the playoffs.

Wheaton baffles me. The Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance are now 3-5-1, and, as bad as it looked to fall to winless Westmost last nght, at least you can say on Westmont's behalf that it's a scholarship NAIA school. The more vexing loss is the 3-1 whipping that Wheaton suffered the other night to Dominican at Joe Bean Stadium. I say "vexing" not because I've suddenly become sympathetic to Wheaton -- that would require someone dropping an anvil or a piano on my head, cartoon-style -- but because this does not bode well for the CCIW as a whole. The worse that our league performs in regional non-conference play -- especially when it's one of our league's top guns that is faltering, and Wheaton is certainly one of our top guns -- the worse it is for everybody in the league. What's more, I suspect that Wheaton will figure it out and turn on the afterburners once league play starts in earnest. And this will be another situation in which Wheaton only gets into the NCAA tourney if it claims the CCIW automatic bid by winning the conference tourney, since its chance for an at-large bid has now gone pretty much by the boards. That means that Wheaton is going to have to go through NPU in order to get into the NCAAs. I don't like the sound of that. The only thing that makes me more nervous than playing Wheaton is playing Wheaton when the Orange People are in a do-or-die situation.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on September 25, 2011, 01:21:55 pm
I made the journey to North Park last night.  I thought the first half IWU was fairly competitive except for a couple mistakes, but a couple mistakes can easily render an outcome in a soccer match, or in this case, a 2-0 deficit.

The Pettersson kid is as good as advertised.  For a 23-year old freshman, his maturity was evident, as is Kris Grahn (I believe he's 28 or 29 now, correct)?  Coach Born has a good thing going with the Sweden connection.  Before anyone jumps on this, I'm not suggesting anything wrong with this - Division III rules are what they are, and kudos to Born for leveraging them to benefit the assets he has to offer at North Park.  I find him to be a good coach and a good man - there should be more like him.

As a commentary on what I saw during the game, IWU has a solid side, but NPU is the real deal.  They are physical, fast, and perhaps best described as relentless.  Or as I texted an IWU fan during the game, "formidable."  When they would attack on counters there was plenty of speed, they switch the field well, and they have a number of offensive options.   

For IWU, they have a couple non-conference games before playing at North Central (currently regionally RV) and home against Millikin.  They need a good result in both before hosting Elmhurst October 15th.  If they can rebound from last night's match and get back on track - they really need results in the next two and then a good showing with Elmhurst to position themselves in the hunt for a post-season berth.  A year ago they opened play with a draw against eventual champion North Park - they have a bit more work to do now after last night's loss.

It's a great time of year.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 25, 2011, 01:44:22 pm
The conference schedule finally begins today, with IWU @ NPU for a coed double-header.  While I am quite confident that the Titan women will be all alone in first place in the conference for a few days, I fear the Viking men will hold that status for a while.  We'll know for sure in about 19 hours. ;)

Got 'em both right. :P

I propose a new scoring method - combine the women's and men's scores!  Result: IWU 5, NPU 4. ;D
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 25, 2011, 02:02:04 pm
I made the journey to North Park last night.  I thought the first half IWU was fairly competitive except for a couple mistakes, but a couple mistakes can easily render an outcome in a soccer match, or in this case, a 2-0 deficit.

The Pettersson kid is as good as advertised.  For a 23-year old freshman, his maturity was evident, as is Kris Grahn (I believe he's 28 or 29 now, correct)?  Coach Born has a good thing going with the Sweden connection.  Before anyone jumps on this, I'm not suggesting anything wrong with this - Division III rules are what they are, and kudos to Born for leveraging them to benefit the assets he has to offer at North Park.  I find him to be a good coach and a good man - there should be more like him.

As a commentary on what I saw during the game, IWU has a solid side, but NPU is the real deal.  They are physical, fast, and perhaps best described as relentless.  Or as I texted an IWU fan during the game, "formidable."  When they would attack on counters there was plenty of speed, they switch the field well, and they have a number of offensive options.   

For IWU, they have a couple non-conference games before playing at North Central (currently regionally RV) and home against Millikin.  They need a good result in both before hosting Elmhurst October 15th.  If they can rebound from last night's match and get back on track - they really need results in the next two and then a good showing with Elmhurst to position themselves in the hunt for a post-season berth.  A year ago they opened play with a draw against eventual champion North Park - they have a bit more work to do now after last night's loss.

It's a great time of year.

Are there age restrictions of some sort for each NCAA division?  I have seen references to this in other threads, but I am not familiar with them.

I know the Illinois football team has a soon to be 27 year old senior linebacker in Trulon Henry.

If someone can shed some light, that would be appreciated.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 25, 2011, 02:05:27 pm
The conference schedule finally begins today, with IWU @ NPU for a coed double-header.  While I am quite confident that the Titan women will be all alone in first place in the conference for a few days, I fear the Viking men will hold that status for a while.  We'll know for sure in about 19 hours. ;)

Got 'em both right. :P

I propose a new scoring method - combine the women's and men's scores!  Result: IWU 5, NPU 4. ;D

Yeah, right. As if. ::)

Tell you what. We'll give you half-credit for the women's score. Result: NPU 4, IWU 2 1/2  ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 25, 2011, 02:30:21 pm
I made the journey to North Park last night.  I thought the first half IWU was fairly competitive except for a couple mistakes, but a couple mistakes can easily render an outcome in a soccer match, or in this case, a 2-0 deficit.

The Pettersson kid is as good as advertised.  For a 23-year old freshman, his maturity was evident, as is Kris Grahn (I believe he's 28 or 29 now, correct)?  Coach Born has a good thing going with the Sweden connection.  Before anyone jumps on this, I'm not suggesting anything wrong with this - Division III rules are what they are, and kudos to Born for leveraging them to benefit the assets he has to offer at North Park.  I find him to be a good coach and a good man - there should be more like him.

As a commentary on what I saw during the game, IWU has a solid side, but NPU is the real deal.  They are physical, fast, and perhaps best described as relentless.  Or as I texted an IWU fan during the game, "formidable."  When they would attack on counters there was plenty of speed, they switch the field well, and they have a number of offensive options.   

For IWU, they have a couple non-conference games before playing at North Central (currently regionally RV) and home against Millikin.  They need a good result in both before hosting Elmhurst October 15th.  If they can rebound from last night's match and get back on track - they really need results in the next two and then a good showing with Elmhurst to position themselves in the hunt for a post-season berth.  A year ago they opened play with a draw against eventual champion North Park - they have a bit more work to do now after last night's loss.

It's a great time of year.

Are there age restrictions of some sort for each NCAA division?  I have heard references to this in other threads, but I am not familiar with them.

I know the Illinois football team has a soon to be 27 year old senior linebacker in Trulon Henry.

If someone can shed some light, that would be appreciated.

There is only one age restriction in the NCAA, and you can see it at this link. (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/NCAA/Legislation+and+Governance/Eligibility+and+Recruiting/Faqs/eligibility_seasons.html) It applies only to D1, and it specifically affects only D1 student-athletes over the age of 21 who have previously competed in an organized amateur version of that sport. Since Fighting Illini linebacker Trulon Henry hadn't played organized football after he passed his 21st birthday until he began playing for the U of I, it doesn't apply to him.

Several of the Scandinavians that have played for North Park over the past two decades have first enrolled as freshmen well past the age of 18. I think that it's common for them to be 20 or 21 or so, if not older.  (I have a hard time believing that NPU's baby-faced Norwegian assassin Siggy Pryser (http://www.northpark.edu/Athletics/Mens-Sports/Soccer/Roster/Lagstrom) can be that old, though.) That's a big advantage in terms of physical maturity and experience over the typical CCIW freshman, that's for sure. But it's hardly the only advantage that the Swedes bring to the table; they come from a soccer-mad country where kids learn how to kick a ball properly as soon as they can walk, and that's a huge leg up (no pun intended) that they have over their American soccer peers as well.

None of that would matter at all, though, if they weren't academically able to cut the mustard at NPU, and in fact the Swedes by and large turn out to be excellent students. They also pay full freight to attend North Park, just like everybody else (the Swedish government does give out no-interest loans to students attending foreign universities, but they're loans that have to be paid back), as opposed to the little or nothing that they'd have to pay if they attended a school back home. It's not as though they're riding some sort of gravy train at North Park. Everything that they do at North Park is on the up-and-up, not that voiceofseason implied otherwise. The long and short of it is that NPU has some great recruiting connections in Sweden (and now in Norway as well), connections that perpetuate themselves as Swedish NPU soccer alumni return back to the homeland and spread the word, and the school is ideally set up for Swedish student-athletes: Small classes, big world-class city, congenial atmosphere in which the many Swedish-American students on campus take great delight in getting to know their foreign "cousins", and a soccer program that offers excellence and proven success at a solid level of competition.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on September 25, 2011, 02:51:26 pm
Please let me be clear - I wasn't calling for any indictment of NPU or their Swedes.  I simply meant as a descriptor, the physical maturity of some of these kids is evident.  I would never suggest any wrongdoing - Coach Born actually explained some of the programs [Center for Scandinavian Studies] at NPU to me a couple years ago that are attractive to the Scandinavian student-athletes; he wouldn't be a good recruiter if he didn't take advantage of those assets.

Putting all that aside, the Vikings are simply a talented, DEEP squad.  I saw Chicago rally to score two late goals to beat IWU recently - that upcoming match could be a good one!

Putting the age thing in perspective, Faulkner University [NAIA] has a 61-year old kicker on their football roster this year....    ;D

http://blog.al.com/montgomery/2011/08/61-year-old_joins_faulkner_foo.html (http://blog.al.com/montgomery/2011/08/61-year-old_joins_faulkner_foo.html)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 25, 2011, 03:32:50 pm
Please let me be clear - I wasn't calling for any indictment of NPU or their Swedes.  I simply meant as a descriptor, the physical maturity of some of these kids is evident.  I would never suggest any wrongdoing - Coach Born actually explained some of the programs [Center for Scandinavian Studies] at NPU to me a couple years ago that are attractive to the Scandinavian student-athletes; he wouldn't be a good recruiter if he didn't take advantage of those assets.

Not to worry. I think that you made it clear in your first post that you weren't accusing Coach Born of anything.

Putting all that aside, the Vikings are simply a talented, DEEP squad.  I saw Chicago rally to score two late goals to beat IWU recently - that upcoming match could be a good one!

Chicago also forced a nil-nil tie with Wheaton a week and a half ago at Joe Bean Stadium, although some of the luster has come off of that accomplishment due to Wheaton's inexplicable descent into chaos. I'm looking forward to catching that North Side vs. South Side showdown at Stagg Field on Tuesday evening.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on September 25, 2011, 03:48:41 pm
Please let me be clear - I wasn't calling for any indictment of NPU or their Swedes.  I simply meant as a descriptor, the physical maturity of some of these kids is evident.  I would never suggest any wrongdoing - Coach Born actually explained some of the programs [Center for Scandinavian Studies] at NPU to me a couple years ago that are attractive to the Scandinavian student-athletes; he wouldn't be a good recruiter if he didn't take advantage of those assets.

Putting all that aside, the Vikings are simply a talented, DEEP squad.  I saw Chicago rally to score two late goals to beat IWU recently - that upcoming match could be a good one!

Putting the age thing in perspective, Faulkner University [NAIA] has a 61-year old kicker on their football roster this year....    ;D

http://blog.al.com/montgomery/2011/08/61-year-old_joins_faulkner_foo.html (http://blog.al.com/montgomery/2011/08/61-year-old_joins_faulkner_foo.html)
But you will admit that if you took out Swedish men from the picture, NPU is mediocre at best. Some of these Swedes are stronger players than most D1 players. Stronger, not necessarily better soccer players.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on September 25, 2011, 05:43:36 pm
Keeker, let us try and keep your comments relevant. Arguing that NPU would be mediocre without their Swedes is a useless argument.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 25, 2011, 08:02:18 pm
But you will admit that if you took out Swedish men from the picture, NPU is mediocre at best.

That's a silly and pointless statement.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 26, 2011, 12:36:50 pm
The conference schedule finally begins today, with IWU @ NPU for a coed double-header.  While I am quite confident that the Titan women will be all alone in first place in the conference for a few days, I fear the Viking men will hold that status for a while.  We'll know for sure in about 19 hours. ;)

Got 'em both right. :P

I propose a new scoring method - combine the women's and men's scores!  Result: IWU 5, NPU 4. ;D

Yeah, right. As if. ::)

Tell you what. We'll give you half-credit for the women's score. Result: NPU 4, IWU 2 1/2  ;)

Mrs. Y says: "Rot in hell, chauvinist pig!" ;D
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 26, 2011, 12:52:16 pm
The conference schedule finally begins today, with IWU @ NPU for a coed double-header.  While I am quite confident that the Titan women will be all alone in first place in the conference for a few days, I fear the Viking men will hold that status for a while.  We'll know for sure in about 19 hours. ;)

Got 'em both right. :P

I propose a new scoring method - combine the women's and men's scores!  Result: IWU 5, NPU 4. ;D

Yeah, right. As if. ::)

Tell you what. We'll give you half-credit for the women's score. Result: NPU 4, IWU 2 1/2  ;)

Mrs. Y says: "Rot in hell, chauvinist pig!" ;D

LOL!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on September 26, 2011, 01:30:28 pm
Greg, I'm late on this, but kudos for using the word "desultory" on a soccer board. In fact, kudos for you even posting on this board - and posting well, I might add. Then to see Dennis? Mark? What's next? Nationally televised soccer matches in prime-time?!

Oh, the horror! :D

i said it 30 years ago when baseball went on strike - "Soccer is a Communist Plot"

If no one else on this board appreciates this, i'm sure that Dennis will:  Why do 40 m

illion kids in the United States play soccer?  Because then don't have to watch it.  (rim shot, please)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 26, 2011, 01:33:08 pm
Dark Knight has been tracking how the eight MIAA sides are performing in the Massey Ratings over in the MIAA room, so out of curiosity I thought I'd do the same for the CCIW's eight sides. This does not have all of this weekend's results (including IWU @ NPU) entered into the database:

North Park #15
Wheaton #86
Carthage #102
Augustana #111
Elmhurst #119
North Central #129
Illinois Wesleyan #142
Millikin #329

This is out of 399 schools listed.

Among the past and future opponents of CCIW sides are:

Dominican #2 (lost to NPU, 2-0; beat Wheaton, 3-1)
Ohio Wesleyan #4 (beat Wheaton, 3-1)
St. Olaf #9 (beat Elmhurst, 3-0)
Calvin #13 (beat Wheaton, 2-1)
UW-Oshkosh #17 (tied NPU, 1-1; tied Carthage, 0-0; will play Wheaton)
Chicago #19 (tied Wheaton, 0-0; beat IWU, 3-2; beat Elmhurst, 1-0; will play NPU and Carthage)
Washington MO #20 (will play IWU)
Redlands #25 (beat Carthage, 4-0)
Loras #26 (beat North Central, 4-0; lost to Wheaton, 2-1)
DePauw #42 (beat Millikin, 2-1)
St. Scholastica #44 (beat Augustana, 2-1)
Hope #47 (beat Wheaton, 4-0)
Dubuque #69 (lost to Augustana, 1-0; will play Elmhurst)
Pomona-Pitzer #90 (beat Carthage, 3-1)
Capital #98 (lost to Wheaton, 4-2)
UW-Whitewater #100 (beat IWU, 2-1; will play NPU)

I'm not sure that the database is extensive enough yet for Massey to get a really good read on D3 soccer. Just thought I'd add this for the sake of conversation.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on September 26, 2011, 11:49:11 pm
Given the absolute pathetic state of the economy that Obama inherited, coupled by the fact that the Obama administration has been unable to reverse the ship, Swedes sense opportunity.  (I witnessed a horrible exchange rate when I visited Scotland during Wimbledon.)  The Swedish state grants college age students $ for college, interest free, but under the obligation that they repay the debt before age 65.  I don't have more details, but if the tuition program and current exchange rate is so advantageous to a Swede, why not come to America?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 27, 2011, 02:30:16 pm
Please restrict political opinionating to this site's politics boards, Mark.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on September 27, 2011, 02:39:24 pm
Seemed like a pretty valid point...
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on September 27, 2011, 02:49:47 pm
I'm assuming, "Given the absolute pathetic state of the economy that Obama inherited, coupled by the fact that the Obama administration has been unable to reverse the ship," was what Greg was referring to, not the validity of the comment. This is a soccer forum, not a political forum.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 27, 2011, 02:50:50 pm
I'm assuming, "Given the absolute pathetic state of the economy that Obama inherited, coupled by the fact that the Obama administration has been unable to reverse the ship," was what Greg was referring to, not the validity of the comment. This is a soccer forum, not a political forum.

Exactly.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 27, 2011, 02:53:56 pm
NPU moves up from eleventh to eighth in this week's d3soccer.com poll. (http://www.d3soccer.com/top25/index) Chicago, which is at the tail end of the Others Receiving Votes category of the poll, hosts the Vikings tonight down at 55th and Cottage Grove.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on September 27, 2011, 02:55:14 pm
Glad to see 50% of your posts are related to how politics are involved in a soccer forum Sock Heir. :)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on September 27, 2011, 02:57:45 pm
Haha! I seldom practice what I preach.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on September 27, 2011, 03:01:42 pm
NPU moves up from eleventh to eighth in this week's d3soccer.com poll. (http://www.d3soccer.com/top25/index) Chicago, which is at the tail end of the Others Receiving Votes category of the poll, hosts the Vikings tonight down at 55th and Cottage Grove.

I'm thinking Park has a rough match ahead of them, as usually is. However, they win 2-1 away.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on September 27, 2011, 05:19:45 pm
I didn't provide an opinion.  I gave a factual message.  And that message was not slanted in favor of 43 or 44.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on September 27, 2011, 05:29:04 pm
How do you give someone Karma? haha
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on September 27, 2011, 06:07:06 pm

That's a silly and pointless statement.
Just making an observation that NPU has 8 or 9 Swedes starting every game, which is fine. And the fact that their ave. age is mid 20's, which is fine. Just an observation, that's all.  Anyway, I will be at the game tonight to see my favorite player Kyle K. go up against a 28yr old. Will be a good game. I predict 3 -1 NPU.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 27, 2011, 06:53:51 pm
NPU moves up from eleventh to eighth in this week's d3soccer.com poll. (http://www.d3soccer.com/top25/index) Chicago, which is at the tail end of the Others Receiving Votes category of the poll, hosts the Vikings tonight down at 55th and Cottage Grove.

I'm thinking Park has a rough match ahead of them, as usually is. However, they win 2-1 away.

Hope you're right. This one has me nervous.

I didn't provide an opinion.  I gave a factual message.  And that message was not slanted in favor of 43 or 44.

I didn't say it was slanted. But there was definitely opinion within it in both your choice of adjectives and your premise, and it wasn't necessary in order for you to make your overall point about Swedish students.


That's a silly and pointless statement.
Just making an observation that NPU has 8 or 9 Swedes starting every game, which is fine.

Seven, to be accurate. Plus one Norwegian, one Ohioan, and two players from Illinois.

And the fact that their ave. age is mid 20's, which is fine. Just an observation, that's all.  Anyway, I will be at the game tonight to see my favorite player Kyle K. go up against a 28yr old.

Heh, nothing like lining up your excuses early. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 27, 2011, 08:08:29 pm
I didn't provide an opinion.  I gave a factual message.  And that message was not slanted in favor of 43 or 44.

Mark, you could have just said that the exchange rate favors the Swedish Krona against the Dollar without the political commentary.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on September 27, 2011, 08:35:55 pm
NPU 1 - 1 U of C a bit before half.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on September 28, 2011, 08:58:46 am
NPU 1 - 1 U of C a bit before half.
What a great game. I tell ya, div3 soccer is getting better every year. Great goal by NPU early and nice free kick by uc. Didn't expect a tie, though.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on September 28, 2011, 10:15:42 am
Looking at the standings is a bit surreal. Augie and NCC both sit at 7-2. The West Vikings are playing quite the defense to win close games and North Central's Paul Box is an absolute horse watching in person. Elmhurst and Wheaton have hit the skids dramatically. Carthage has played much better of late. North Park is clearly the best team in the league and one of the best in the region with their foreign imports, so big props to them. However, it's hard to crow about 23-25 year olds beating 19-20 year olds... (cough, cough)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on September 28, 2011, 10:50:58 am
I'm confused. There's only one set of rules that all of D-III is operating by, correct? If so, all of the "cough, cough's" ad nauseam seem petty and extraneous.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on September 28, 2011, 11:29:35 am
Who is this 28 year old?  I'd wager that Grahn, a graduate student, is the oldest on the team.  I doubt he's even 25.  And to claim the average age is 23 seems like an uneducated post. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: deepthroat on September 28, 2011, 11:42:34 am
lots of sour grapes/jealousy in this thread. NPU soccer going to be this good for a while, govern yourselves accordingly.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 28, 2011, 12:17:03 pm
Sock Heir, it's that old green-eyed monster called envy that's rearing its ugly head here. NPU has a good thing going with the Swedish connection, so some of the fans of opposing sides feel that they have to try to make themselves feel better by denigrating NPU's Swedes. You and I both know that blue_jays, keeker, and their ilk would take a Grahn or a Pettersson or a Hals or an Aaronsson on their roster in a heartbeat if they could -- and you'd never hear a peep out of them about the ages of those players if they were wearing the kits of the schools favored by those posters.

This whole conversation is just ridiculous. It started out with a goofy statement by keeker that "if you took out Swedish men from the picture, NPU is mediocre at best." (Sure. And if you took out Virginians from the picture, Christopher Newport is mediocre at best. And if you took out Ohioans from the picture, Mount Union's football team is mediocre at best. And so on.) There's nothing illegal, unethical, or immoral going on here at all on the part of North Park. North Carolina Wesleyan has eight Europeans, four Africans, and a South American on the men's soccer roster. Methodist has four Europeans and an African. Trinity (TX) has four players from Latin America, plus an Englishman and an Australian, and Amherst has five players from overseas. It's pretty commonplace for college soccer programs on all levels to utilize foreign players, because -- guess what? -- soccer is the world's most popular sport, and it's generally played more avidly and universally by people in other countries than it is here. And North Park, which is located in a world-class city, presents an especially attractive location for a college education if you're a foreign student looking to come to the United States for it. Even without the men's soccer program NPU has always had a large contingent of foreign students, particularly from the Scandinavian countries and Korea.

Who is this 28 year old?  I'd wager that Grahn, a graduate student, is the oldest on the team.  I doubt he's even 25.  And to claim the average age is 23 seems like an uneducated post.

Exactly. Have keeker and blue_jays been standing outside the gates checking passports when the NPU bus rolls up? ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 28, 2011, 12:29:49 pm
Back to soccer. It was a very exciting, albeit very wet, contest last night at Stagg Field between NPU and Chicago. The Vikings scored early on a perfect cross from Hals to Grahn, but the latter part of the first half was marked by very ragged play by the Park that featured one of their periodic foulfests. The Maroons took advantage of one of the fouls, with Stanton Colville slicing a perfectly-executed free kick from thirty yards out into the upper right-hand corner of the net that Tim Ahlberg was helpless to defend.

NPU dominated play in the second half, but give credit to Chicago: The Maroons played tough defense, making no errors whatsoever in their half of the field and limiting NPU's good looks at the net to only two or three. The Vikings were sloppier at their own end, but they kept possession for so long that the Maroons were even more limited in their own chances for a goal.

It was an unsatisfying tie if you're a Vikings fan, but in the overall picture I doubt that it'll hurt North Park. It'll certainly give some juice to the Maroons' morale going into UAA play.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on September 28, 2011, 01:04:58 pm
Just a bit of age joking, no sour grapes here. You North Parkers need to stop taking the bait because it will continue for years to come as long as NPU keeps getting foreign players. And duh, yes I would want them on my team. Scientific studies show that fans want the best players to be on the teams that they root for.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on September 28, 2011, 01:24:05 pm
Just a bit of age joking, no sour grapes here. You North Parkers need to stop taking the bait because it will continue for years to come as long as NPU keeps getting foreign players. And duh, yes I would want them on my team. Scientific studies show that fans want the best players to be on the teams that they root for.

So now we know not to take anything you say seriously, we can move on ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 28, 2011, 01:43:10 pm
Just a bit of age joking, no sour grapes here. You North Parkers need to stop taking the bait because it will continue for years to come as long as NPU keeps getting foreign players. And duh, yes I would want them on my team. Scientific studies show that fans want the best players to be on the teams that they root for.

North Park has had Swedes in its soccer program dating back to when soccer first became a varsity sport at the Park in the early Eighties. (Morgan Emanuelsson, a native of Sweden, was on the first NPC varsity side; one of his teammates was Tim McNaughton, father of current Vikings midfielder Ryan McNaughton.) And Swedes been among NPU's most dominant players going all the way back to Magnus Ramstrom, a three-time All-CCIW first-teamer in '91, '92, and '93. NPU has produced some of the CCIW's best soccer players over the past two decades, and several of them have been sons of Mother Svea: Fredrik Airosto, Sven Eggefalk, Jonatan Eriksson, P.J. Eriksson, Kris Grahn, Hannes Granlund, Sehten Hills, Filip Lindmark, Markus Nilsson, Andreas Olofsson, Magnus Ramstrom, Greger Svensson, and Henrik Wihlborg have each made the All-CCIW team over the past two decades for NPU, and all of them are Swedes (or, in the case of Hills, Liberians who lived in Sweden ;)). And until a few days ago I had never heard or read a single complaint about any of their ages.

In other words, if this griping by opposing fans is something that "will continue for years to come as long as NPU keeps getting foreign players," then why has it never reared its ugly head before over the past twenty years, seasons that have featured so much Swedish talent wearing North Park's kit?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 28, 2011, 01:49:50 pm
This seems like the perfect time for me to congratulate NPU's Robin Hals and Jakob Aronsson upon being named the CCIW's Offensive and Defensive Players of the Week, respectively. (http://www.cciw.org/news/2011/9/27/MS_0927113708.aspx) In the interests of board harmony and goodwill, I will refrain from mentioning which country Hals and Aronsson call home. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on September 28, 2011, 02:45:22 pm
The expansion of coverage for DIII Soccer online is the answer to your question Gregory.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 28, 2011, 02:59:26 pm
The expansion of coverage for DIII Soccer online is the answer to your question Gregory.

If so, then it's not a very good answer. The people making the complaints are not d3soccer.com or d3boards.com users who root for schools in Virginia or Minnesota or Massachusetts; they're fans of other local sides. F'rinstance, blue_jays is a fan of Elmhurst, and keeker is a fan of Chicago. Even voiceofseason, who took great pains not to badmouth NPU's Swedish connection, is a fan of a local opposing side: Illinois Wesleyan. None of these people needed expanded online coverage of D3 soccer to know that North Park has lots of Swedes on its roster.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on September 28, 2011, 04:11:54 pm
The expansion of coverage for DIII Soccer online is the answer to your question Gregory.
You're a smart fella, garbage. As D3 soccer gets more and more quality players (DA or top non da club players) interest in d3 will only go up. we'll start revisiting d1 v d3 soccer, but not yet.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on September 28, 2011, 09:23:45 pm
Greg, I am complaining about the Swedes. They ought to be Norwegians.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on September 29, 2011, 03:43:12 pm
Who is this 28 year old?  I'd wager that Grahn, a graduate student, is the oldest on the team.  I doubt he's even 25.  And to claim the average age is 23 seems like an uneducated post.

Ok, I sort of started this whole topic, but it was more in the vein of "John Born has a good thing going," not sour grapes, jealousy, etc.  I saw them play IWU, and they were impressive.

And you would be wrong about Grahn.  He's at least 28, and I think 29.  He was 25 or 26 his freshman year when he played against Illinois-Springfield (where I first saw him).  Again, not really important - what IS important is that he's a really good player.  On a really good team.

Glad NPU is behind IWU on their schedule....

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 29, 2011, 04:23:27 pm
Greg, I am complaining about the Swedes. They ought to be Norwegians.

Jim, meet freshman Siggy Pryser (http://www.northpark.edu/Athletics/Mens-Sports/Soccer/Roster/Lagstrom), NPU's starting left midfielder.
Title: Augsburg
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on September 29, 2011, 04:31:42 pm
Augsburg has two Norwegian imports that are fairing well in the MIAC:

Both are starters.

http://athletics.augsburg.edu/roster.aspx?rp_id=13439&path=msoc

http://athletics.augsburg.edu/roster.aspx?rp_id=13452&path=msoc
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 29, 2011, 04:54:23 pm
NPU has another Norwegian freshman, reserve defender Markus Fodstad. Unfortunately, the link to his picture doesn't work. That's life as a reserve, I guess. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on September 29, 2011, 06:00:31 pm
Are Auggies Norwegian players named Ole and Sven?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on September 29, 2011, 09:21:41 pm
I do not know if this is true, but I was told Norway packages the loans, etc. better than Sweden.  if this is true, I wish IWU would tap this market!!   ;D ;D
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 29, 2011, 10:52:39 pm
Are Auggies Norwegian players named Ole and Sven?

Mathias and Harald. Pretty typical names for Norwegian guys.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 30, 2011, 08:58:58 am
In 1993, NPU had a Swedish Sven and a Norwegian Svenn.  That year's team had 2 Swedes and 2 Norwegians and they got along just fine, contrary to rumors at the time :)

That same year NPU had it's best ever Scandinavian, albeit an unofficial player, play a game for their offseason indoor league team: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lars_Bohinen.  Lars was in town visiting his girlfriend who was an exchange student at North Park and he trained with some of the NPU players in preparation for Norway's upcoming international games.  Great guy.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: redmen33 on October 05, 2011, 11:23:45 am
Great Win by Carthage last night against Univ of Chicago! The score was 1-1 and Carthage went up 2-1 with 31seconds left in the game. With a couple starters out for Carthage due to injury last night, Carthage will be dangerous once they are 100%!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on October 05, 2011, 10:47:04 pm
North Park resurrected from a couple of ties by dismantling UWW 2-0. Despite having some major injuries (Grahn and both center backs), NP looked as if they didn't even break a sweat. A great prelude to the always-anticipated Wheaton match (at Wheaton); prediction: NPU 2, Wheaton nil.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on October 06, 2011, 01:25:23 pm
What is up with North Park and their Levi's record 5-0-5, can't finish or unlucky?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on October 06, 2011, 01:37:26 pm
What is up with North Park and their Levi's record 5-0-5, can't finish or unlucky?

A little bit of both (I know likely answer). Both ties to the NC schools were due to NP's inconsistent play; should have won both easily. The tie to UWO was due to a sluggish start that led to an  early UWO goal (granted, a nice, well executed goal). The UofC tie was probably a fair result. UofC played very well, but perhaps Park could have capitalized on some very good chances. And Elmhurst's refusal to play soccer and commitment to play dirty and ugly was fully responsible for their latest tie (40 fouls, and 5 yellows total). During that game NP lost their center backs and Grahn. NP outshout Elmhurst 20-8.

NPU is now 6-0-5 after the UWW win.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 06, 2011, 02:02:21 pm
NPU actually played without five starters last night. That's what made the decisive 2-0 win over a very hot UW-Whitewater side so impressive. Four of the starters were knocked out of action (one of them literally knocked out, being concussed by a well-aimed Bluejay elbow) by the Elmhurst goon squad in last Saturday's mug-a-thon, the fifth sat out because of yellow-card accumulation. (Not that I blame Jonas Pettersson for his fifth yellow card, received against Elmhurst; if the opposing goalkeeper is on the ground and fifteen feet out of the net, and he grabs you by the ankle to prevent you from kicking what would be the easiest goal you've ever scored, as far as I'm concerned you have every right to get in the ref's grill and yell at him when he refuses to award you a penalty kick.) And a sixth starter pulled up lame in the first half of last night's match.

NPU had superb offensive set-ups in the first half that showed me that: a) these guys can play together, even though half of them are starters and half are reserves; and b) they can compensate for missing some of the creativity of a guy like Kris Grahn by being methodical and working as a unit. Sophomore F/MF Effy Restrepo responded to the battlefield promotion with the best match of his collegiate career to date, notching a goal and an assist, and his fellow soph F/MFs Robin Hals and Filip Lindmark picked up the slack as well. The reserves who are filling in for the two injured center backs, junior Erik Kinhammar and sophomore Elvin Ahmeti, were tremendous. They're a big key to how this season will play out for the Park, especially with Jakob Aronsson now out for the year and the concussed Carl Danberg out indefinitely.

I don't like the fact that the Vikings have to go into Joe Bean Stadium on Saturday nght as a M*A*S*H unit while the Wheaties are fielding a healthy side, but you play the cards you're dealt. After last night, I feel pretty good about NPU's chances against Wheaton, even with all of those injuries. It's really amazing how much quality depth the Park has this year.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: FreeScrimp on October 08, 2011, 11:02:23 pm
North Park 3 Wheaton 2.

North Park vs. Wheaton- a game many look forward to all year and tonight didn't disappoint. Play was appropriately physical with a handful of yellow cards evenly distributed. Both teams looked sharp. While I would say that Wheaton played a better build offense, North Park's talent was unmatched. It's amazing to watch North Park's caliber of players get better each and every year. Tonight was my first opportunity to see Jonas Pettersson, and there is a reason he is the top goal scorer in the CCIW. To all the disbelievers out there, he curved the best goal I have seen in a long time to the top left corner from 20 yards out to put NP ahead 2-1 going into halftime. North Park has a history of getting big for big games, and I hope they can carry this momentum through the rest of the season. The CCIW is proving to be a difficult league this year with Elmhurst tying NP earlier this season, Wheaton playing strong ball despite their lackluster record, and Carthage coming up with a win against U Chicago- a feat that NP couldn't accomplish and added another notch to their "kissing your sister" column.

Stats leaned Wheaton's way as far as shots and corner kicks, although Park capitalized on their opportunities. A few inches right and they'd be in overtime, but a post is a post. I love this rivalry and look forward to many more games in the future. First and foremost, It will be a joy to watch these two in the CCIW finals come November.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on October 09, 2011, 01:02:40 am
North Park 3 Wheaton 2.

North Park vs. Wheaton- a game many look forward to all year and tonight didn't disappoint. Play was appropriately physical with a handful of yellow cards evenly distributed. Both teams looked sharp. While I would say that Wheaton played a better build offense, North Park's talent was unmatched. It's amazing to watch North Park's caliber of players get better each and every year. Tonight was my first opportunity to see Jonas Pettersson, and there is a reason he is the top goal scorer in the CCIW. To all the disbelievers out there, he curved the best goal I have seen in a long time to the top left corner from 20 yards out to put NP ahead 2-1 going into halftime. North Park has a history of getting big for big games, and I hope they can carry this momentum through the rest of the season. The CCIW is proving to be a difficult league this year with Elmhurst tying NP earlier this season, Wheaton playing strong ball despite their lackluster record, and Carthage coming up with a win against U Chicago- a feat that NP couldn't accomplish and added another notch to their "kissing your sister" column.

Stats leaned Wheaton's way as far as shots and corner kicks, although Park capitalized on their opportunities. A few inches right and they'd be in overtime, but a post is a post. I love this rivalry and look forward to many more games in the future. First and foremost, It will be a joy to watch these two in the CCIW finals come November.

I'm not so sure I agree with your assessment of the game. I feel like, given the circumstances (NP's starting keeper, out, and both center backs out, along with many with ailing injuries), handled Wheaton. There was a blaring talent gap, in favor of Park. NP played sloppy ball and allowed Wheaton to get back into the game. Perhaps, to give Wheaton credit, they did take advantage of NP's reserve backs. And I do believe that NP will run away with the CCIW. The Elmhurst match was by no means a reflection of Elmhurst's "talent." It was a reflection of their ability to recognize their inferiority and their ability to combat the talent gap with dirty play.
But to agree, Jonas is the real deal and the pre-eminent CCIW POY.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 09, 2011, 06:35:08 am
What happened to Ahlberg?  Why was NP playing a reserve keeper?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on October 09, 2011, 09:27:49 am
What happened to Ahlberg?  Why was NP playing a reserve keeper?

I believe Tim was at his sister's wedding.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 09, 2011, 03:59:20 pm
What happened to Ahlberg?  Why was NP playing a reserve keeper?

I believe Tim was at his sister's wedding.

... and I don't think that Ahlberg would've misplayed that first goal by Wheaton, but I'm not getting down on reserve keeper Alex Adielsson for that. He kept his cool and played well after coughing up that early long-distance goal. The second Wheaton goal was really just a case of the hosts crowding the box and the inability of the Park's defense to clear the ball past the perimeter. It was a point-blank shot, and there was nothing that Adielsson could've done about it.

I can see both sides to this debate. Yeah, I agree that Wheaton did a better job of patiently moving the ball up the field, and I think that Wheaton played better positional ball. NPU, for whatever reason, seems to have a problem with midfield gaps at times. But even with the two starting center backs and the starting keeper out, three other starters clearly hampered by injuries (Kris Grahn, Filip Lindmark, and Isaac Blixt), and yet another starter relegated to only seventeen minutes of playing time off the bench due to a bad hammy (Siggy Pryser), NPU still had a clear talent advantage over Wheaton. Erik Kinhammar and Elvin Ahmeti were generally pretty effective as the center backs -- and Kinhammar's two header goals gave NPU an element of set-piece scoring that the Vikings really haven't had much this year. Ryan McNaughton and David Dawood stepped up and played terrifically at midfield, and Effy Restrepo made the save of the game while holding the near post during a Wheaton corner kick with four minutes left. Kris Grahn, who was obviously gimpy and playing with only a fraction of his usual speed and creative skill, showed that he has the heart of a lion. And, of course, Jonas Pettersson's twisting guided missile from twenty yards out in the first half was a highlight-reel goal if there ever was one.

I give Wheaton lots of credit for doggedness. You could sense that the Wheaton players feel that their backs are to the wall in terms of their season by the way that they took it up a notch and really outplayed North Park during the final twenty minutes of the match. As I said, they stuffed the box, and their offensive pressure was relentless. Of course, this led to several breakout counters by the Vikings, but I think that NPU's banged-up front line just didn't have enough juice to take advantage. Those final twenty minutes were nerve-wracking. As much as I loved the match, it couldn't end fast enough for my taste.

I also give Wheaton credit for deciding to do what UW-Whitewater did, which was to trust in the skill of its players by playing an honest and open match against the Vikings rather than retreating into a no-pressure defensive shell and gooning it up in a deliberate attempt to draw a nil-nil tie the way that Elmhurst did. Wheaton clearly has lots of speed and skill, and the Wheaties have legitimate reason to think that they can match up with anybody in a fairly-played contest. Of course, the flip side of that is that Wheaton really doesn't have much size, so Mike Giuliano couldn't tell his players to go thug against NPU even if he'd wanted to. Didn't stop Wheaton defender Dan Pavlak from hanging all over Jonas Pettersson like a cheap suit, of course, but I can't say that Wheaton played particularly dirty last night.

I would be remiss if I didn't mention the atmosphere last night at Joe Bean Stadium. It was electric. There were about 1,700 people there last night, favoring the hosts by about a 2-1 margin. The fact that it was Wheaton's Homecoming soccer match probably helped the numbers, but that was a very impressive sea of royal blue and gold at the east end of the stadium. Foster's Finest absolutely rocked. If there's a better student section in all of D3 soccer, I'd like to see it. Foster's Finest definitely gets the Ripped From the Headlines Award for best topical cheer as well, with their "Occupy Wheaton!" chant. John Born and his players realize that they have something special with Foster's Finest (and all of the rest of the great fan support that NPU gets for soccer), and they really appreciate it. In turn, North Park fans are being treated to some tremendous soccer this year. I think that Wheaton senses that it's currently on the losing end of this rivalry not only on the pitch but in the stands as well.

Friday night's NPU Homecoming match against Augie promises to be another epic occasion.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 09, 2011, 04:16:33 pm
Otherwise, it was a pretty interesting, tie-happy day in the CCIW. Augie dispensed with hapless Millikin with what I must assume is relative ease, 2-0, in Rock Island. But North Central and Illinois Wesleyan played to a 2-2 tie in Naperville, and Elmhurst and Carthage had a draw by the same score in Kenosha. All the ties thus far are making the league race hard to sort out at the moment. The big matches this upcoming week seem to be:

* Elmhurst (4-4-4, 0-0-2) @ North Central (9-2-1, 1-0-1) on Wednesday
* Carthage (7-4-2, 1-0-1) @ Wheaton (6-6-1, 0-1) on Wednesday
* Augustana (10-3, 1-1) @ North Park (7-0-5, 2-0-1) on Friday
* Elmhurst @ Illinois Wesleyan (5-5-1, 0-1-1) on Saturday
* North Central @ Wheaton on Saturday
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on October 09, 2011, 04:19:35 pm
Great atmosphere and a super fun game. Just wondering though, do NPU players communicate in swedish or in english on the field?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on October 09, 2011, 04:30:17 pm
Great atmosphere and a super fun game. Just wondering though, do NPU players communicate in swedish or in english on the field?

Swedish when speaking to the Swedes, and obviously English when speaking to the Americans; so mostly Swedish.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 09, 2011, 04:51:21 pm
... and fortunately, for Siggy Pryser's and Markus Fodstad's sake, Swedish and Norwegian are mutually intelligible to a large degree -- even though Swedes and Norwegians don't always like to admit that they can understand each other. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on October 09, 2011, 04:55:26 pm
... and fortunately, for Siggy Pryser's and Markus Fodstad's sake, Swedish and Norwegian are mutually intelligible -- even though Swedes and Norwegians don't always like to admit that they can understand each other perfectly well. ;)
Probably not hard to learn "man on, time, turn" in any language. Ok, I'm looking forward to Npu and loras match.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on October 09, 2011, 05:00:38 pm
... and fortunately, for Siggy Pryser's and Markus Fodstad's sake, Swedish and Norwegian are mutually intelligible -- even though Swedes and Norwegians don't always like to admit that they can understand each other perfectly well. ;)
Probably not hard to learn "man on, time, turn" in any language. Ok, I'm looking forward to Npu and loras match.

Ha likely point, but the Swedes have a tough time articulating intelligently, quick enough, to the English speakers. I've heard some "Swenglish" a few times out there that left me scratching my head. And I am absolutely looking forward to a potential NP-Loras match. Hopefully both sides are healthy.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 09, 2011, 05:10:28 pm
... and fortunately, for Siggy Pryser's and Markus Fodstad's sake, Swedish and Norwegian are mutually intelligible -- even though Swedes and Norwegians don't always like to admit that they can understand each other perfectly well. ;)
Probably not hard to learn "man on, time, turn" in any language. Ok, I'm looking forward to Npu and loras match.

Ha likely point, but the Swedes have a tough time articulating intelligently, quick enough, to the English speakers. I've heard some "Swenglish" a few times out there that left me scratching my head.

It can be bad news if you can't communicate properly with your teammates on the back line such as Sock Heir. Very bad news!

The one advantage NPU has in the fact that several players speak Swedish on the field is that I don't think that any CCIW refs have learned Swedish swear words yet. ;)

As for keeker's bit about the Vikings and Duhawks, NPU and Loras aren't scheduled to play this season. The only way that they'll face each other is if they meet in the tournament. NPU's final non-conference match is on Tuesday against Moody Bible -- and, before anyone says anything about that, it should be noted that MBI is a last-minute fill-in for a local D3 school that shall remain nameless whose coach backed out of a contract with North Park. I fully expect NPU coach John Born to empty his bench very early against Moody.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on October 09, 2011, 06:18:40 pm
What happened to Ahlberg?  Why was NP playing a reserve keeper?

I believe Tim was at his sister's wedding.

... and I don't think that Ahlberg would've misplayed that first goal by Wheaton, but I'm not getting down on reserve keeper Alex Adielsson for that. He kept his cool and played well after coughing up that early long-distance goal. The second Wheaton goal was really just a case of the hosts crowding the box and the inability of the Park's defense to clear the ball past the perimeter. It was a point-blank shot, and there was nothing that Adielsson could've done about it.

I can see both sides to this debate. Yeah, I agree that Wheaton did a better job of patiently moving the ball up the field, and I think that Wheaton played better positional ball. NPU, for whatever reason, seems to have a problem with midfield gaps at times. But even with the two starting center backs and the starting keeper out, three other starters clearly hampered by injuries (Kris Grahn, Filip Lindmark, and Isaac Blixt), and yet another starter relegated to only seventeen minutes of playing time off the bench due to a bad hammy (Siggy Pryser), NPU still had a clear talent advantage over Wheaton. Erik Kinhammar and Elvin Ahmeti were generally pretty effective as the center backs -- and Kinhammar's two header goals gave NPU an element of set-piece scoring that the Vikings really haven't had much this year. Ryan McNaughton and David Dawood stepped up and played terrifically at midfield, and Effy Restrepo made the save of the game while holding the near post during a Wheaton corner kick with four minutes left. Kris Grahn, who was obviously gimpy and playing with only a fraction of his usual speed and creative skill, showed that he has the heart of a lion. And, of course, Jonas Pettersson's twisting guided missile from twenty yards out in the first half was a highlight-reel goal if there ever was one.

I give Wheaton lots of credit for doggedness. You could sense that the Wheaton players feel that their backs are to the wall in terms of their season by the way that they took it up a notch and really outplayed North Park during the final twenty minutes of the match. As I said, they stuffed the box, and their offensive pressure was relentless. Of course, this led to several breakout counters by the Vikings, but I think that NPU's banged-up front line just didn't have enough juice to take advantage. Those final twenty minutes were nerve-wracking. As much as I loved the match, it couldn't end fast enough for my taste.

I also give Wheaton credit for deciding to do what UW-Whitewater did, which was to trust in the skill of its players by playing an honest and open match against the Vikings rather than retreating into a no-pressure defensive shell and gooning it up in a deliberate attempt to draw a nil-nil tie the way that Elmhurst did. Wheaton clearly has lots of speed and skill, and the Wheaties have legitimate reason to think that they can match up with anybody in a fairly-played contest. Of course, the flip side of that is that Wheaton really doesn't have much size, so Mike Giuliano couldn't tell his players to go thug against NPU even if he'd wanted to. Didn't stop Wheaton defender Dan Pavlak from hanging all over Jonas Pettersson like a cheap suit, of course, but I can't say that Wheaton played particularly dirty last night.

I would be remiss if I didn't mention the atmosphere last night at Joe Bean Stadium. It was electric. There were about 1,700 people there last night, favoring the hosts by about a 2-1 margin. The fact that it was Wheaton's Homecoming soccer match probably helped the numbers, but that was a very impressive sea of royal blue and gold at the east end of the stadium. Foster's Finest absolutely rocked. If there's a better student section in all of D3 soccer, I'd like to see it. Foster's Finest definitely gets the Ripped From the Headlines Award for best topical cheer as well, with their "Occupy Wheaton!" chant. John Born and his players realize that they have something special with Foster's Finest (and all of the rest of the great fan support that NPU gets for soccer), and they really appreciate it. In turn, North Park fans are being treated to some tremendous soccer this year. I think that Wheaton senses that it's currently on the losing end of this rivalry not only on the pitch but in the stands as well.

Friday night's NPU Homecoming match against Augie promises to be another epic occasion.

Alright, gotta pierce some of this hot air before it floats off and gets entered into the Macy's Holiday Parade.
You may call Elmhurst goons, I'd say it's more they're going on coaches orders since they take on his on-field personality. Conversely, I will call North Park whiny crossed with some Charmin. Their European soccer-influenced flopping by the prima donnas (Petterson and Lindmark) was again on display on Saturday. Petterson is a great player, a born goal scorer, and basically insufferable. He spent a total of about 5 minutes of 3 different occasions hamming it up on the ground only to pop up as fresh as a daisy. And his big mouth earned him yet another yellow, this time for taunting after his goal, which was classy. There was a reason NPU's bench was yelling on the field for him to shut up.
Give credit to Wheaton's guts, but they played far too direct when they were down. Their final goal came because they went back out to left wing and then sent it in to Drew Golz, who is built like a Man and plays like it. Pavlak used every trick in the book while marking as usual. He's a player you hate on the opposing side but love when he's on your team. In general, Wheaton isn't what they used to be. Eric Brown and Rob Mouw aren't walking through that door.
And before I get plenty of hater-ade essays back via Sagar and others, just because everyone is lovin' on North Park on this board doesn't make you right. It makes you partisan like the rest of us. Just cuz you love your Vikings doesn't mean anyone else is gonna like them (and we don't).
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: IdahoSoccer on October 09, 2011, 06:35:52 pm
First off - take it easy on writing books on here, thank god i dont post in this forum

Second - kind of embarrassing that the number 1 team (or one of the top teams) in the region in which this conference sits got whacked today by the DuHawks of the north. Loras crushed Dominican 5-0 if you've been under a rock today.

And North Park 6-0-1000 ties. Swedes no good at scoring? DuHawks can show them
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 09, 2011, 06:50:38 pm
You may call Elmhurst goons, I'd say it's more they're going on coaches orders since they take on his on-field personality.

You could very well be correct about that. In fact, I heard secondhand from a couple of NPU players that Di Tomasso was applauding when Vikings went down, and that he was verbally encouraging them to continue hitting people. Doesn't make it right if the blame lies at the feet of the coach and not his players. It's cheap, it's dangerous, and he should be called on the carpet for it by the league office, if not his own school's administration.

Conversely, I will call North Park whiny crossed with some Charmin. Their European soccer-influenced flopping by the prima donnas (Petterson and Lindmark) was again on display on Saturday.

I don't deny that there's some acting involved on the part of the European NPU players. We all know how that goes in terms of how the game's played internationally; it's one of the things of which Americans love to make fun when they talk about soccer. However, Lindmark in particular was not flopping. He has played through a serious groin pull that kept him out of the first seven matches of the season and that forced him to take himself out of the match for good last night with thirteen minutes left.

Petterson is a great player, a born goal scorer, and basically insufferable. He spent a total of about 5 minutes of 3 different occasions hamming it up on the ground only to pop up as fresh as a daisy. And his big mouth earned him yet another yellow, this time for taunting after his goal, which was classy. There was a reason NPU's bench was yelling on the field for him to shut up.

There's no question that Pettersson's gonna have to learn how to rein it in. He's already had to sit out one match due to accumulated yellows. He's a freshman; he'll learn.

Give credit to Wheaton's guts, but they played far too direct when they were down. Their final goal came because they went back out to left wing and then sent it in to Drew Golz, who is built like a Man and plays like it.

True, but NPU wasn't giving up any room on the wings during those final stages. That's where a guy like Fredrik Greiff comes in real handy for the Vikings.

Golz is a terrific player, and I won't be sorry to see him graduate. He's particularly been a thorn in NPU's side.

Pavlak used every trick in the book while marking as usual. He's a player you hate on the opposing side but love when he's on your team.

Agreed.

In general, Wheaton isn't what they used to be. Eric Brown and Rob Mouw aren't walking through that door.

I'd agree with that, too, although Wheaton remains a very solid and very dangerous side. The interesting thing is that last year we all received a healthy dose of hype about how the talent among the underclassmen at Wheaton was absolutely massive. I'm just not seeing it. Sure, they're good, but not worthy of as much ballyhoo as they were given. Perhaps it's the sort of thing where they won't really make their mark until they're seniors.

And before I get plenty of hater-ade essays back via Sagar and others, just because everyone is lovin' on North Park on this board doesn't make you right. It makes you partisan like the rest of us.

No hater-ade here. Just make sure that you spell my name right next time.

Just cuz you love your Vikings doesn't mean anyone else is gonna like them (and we don't).

Excellent. Nobody expects you to.

It wouldn't be any fun to be on top if being there didn't bother the people below you.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 09, 2011, 07:21:46 pm
First off - take it easy on writing books on here, thank god i dont post in this forum

There's a thing on the right-hand side of your computer screen -- that's the side with which you probably write and brush your teeth, if that helps -- that's called a scroll bar. Learn how to use it. It'll help when you see something with a lot of words and your eyes glaze over.

Second - kind of embarrassing that the number 1 team (or one of the top teams) in the region in which this conference sits got whacked today by the DuHawks of the north. Loras crushed Dominican 5-0 if you've been under a rock today.

rel·e·vant [rel-uh-vuhnt] adj bearing upon or connected with the matter in hand; pertinent: a relevant remark.

Loras -- IIAC
Dominican -- NAthC
North Park and Wheaton -- CCIW
this board -- CCIW

See where you went wrong there?

And North Park 6-0-1000 ties. Swedes no good at scoring? DuHawks can show them

Please note the earlier post about NPU not playing Loras. This can easily be confirmed by checking a Loras pocket schedule, if you have one, or by checking the men's soccer page on the Loras website. If those options all prove too difficult for you, you can always ask someone connected to the Loras soccer program for help. It's good to ask questions, Idaho! That's how we learn!

Also, NPU does not have six wins. It has seven. If you keep going on your fingers, that's one more finger than you've already used. Got it? Good job, m'boy!

Finally, as for Swedes having an inherent inability to score, you might want to make note of the latest NCAA statistics for goals scored in D3:

rank  player, school  Cl  Games  Goals
1  Eros Olazabal, Manhattanville  Jr.  10  20
2  Mitch Grotti, Rutgers-Camden  So.  12  13
  Alex Oeswein, Thomas More  So.    9  13
  Andrew Pinella, Centenary (NJ)  Sr.  10  13
5  Alexander Rouse, Medaille  Sr.  12  12
6  Blaise Bourgeois, Purchase St.  So.    8  11
  Anthony Ferrer, Wm. Paterson  Sr.  11  11
  Nick Haggerty, Southern Vt.  Sr.  10  11
  Jonas Pettersson, North Park  Fr.  10  11
  Rob Santaniello, Ramapo  Jr.  10  11
  Karl Tooren, MacMurray  Sr.    8  11
  Clint Vatterrodt, Rose-Hulman  Sr.  11  11

Last night's goal means that Pettersson now has twelve goals in eleven games.

Thanks for playing, Idaho. Come back real soon!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: deepthroat on October 09, 2011, 08:31:07 pm
In reference to the esteem poster from elmhurst, I wonder if people would hate the Park if they were losing instead of winning?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: IdahoSoccer on October 09, 2011, 09:45:58 pm

Gregory - You seem like a smart guy, pulling definitions out and looking up stats (I'm impressed  ;D). So let me break this down for you and follow along real close....

This board = CCIW
CCIW (North Park and Wheaton)  = Central Region

And for the connector......
Dominican - Central Region

Did the lightbulb go on? If that is too much, I'm sorry, I can dumb it now.

Dominican is ranked by NSCAA as the top team in the central region AND the highest ranked central region team on the top 25 of D3Soccer's latest poll. If the relevance hasn't crept into your brain yet it is still okay, just act like you get it and write a really long response to this.

And you really incriminated yourself by pulling up one goal scorer's stats. Lets look at my post again (which you dissected already) . I used the word "Swedes". The "s" at the end makes it plural. I will not go to the dictionary to explain this because it seems like you have one close. That is awesome one Swede (Notice without the "s") has some goals. Now back to my comment which you misinterpreted,
Loras - through 14 games has 50 goals
NPU ("Swedes" not "Swede" young greg) - has 27 goals through 12 games.
50>27

Is any of this making sense?

I hope you have some better analogies than your scroll bar one. You have to feel a little bit dumb right now, it is okay though, don't get mad. Put your helmet on before you start typing next time,

Thanks for playing, young greg. Come back real soon!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 09, 2011, 09:46:33 pm
In reference to the esteem poster from elmhurst, I wonder if people would hate the Park if they were losing instead of winning?

They wouldn't care about the Park at all, other than to occasionally poke fun at the Vikings (as is the case with football). The surest sign that your program is moving forward is if opposing fans start trying to pick it apart and/or complain about it. The "hey, your Swedes are too old to be playing against college boys" thread from last week was a good example of that.

In the past, everyone who cared about CCIW soccer but who didn't bleed orange directed their ire at Wheaton. Now it's directed at NPU. I love that. It's another sign of the changing of the guard. Of course, the downside is that everyone will dance a merry jig at your expense when you lose. That goes with the territory, too.

I think it's just a case of Parkers feeling disoriented by the cries of the haters, because -- let's face it -- being a doormat in most sports for so long has kept us from understanding what those cries of the haters really implies.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 09, 2011, 11:11:38 pm

Thanks for playing, young greg. Come back real soon!
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Ha!  Sager, I bet you haven't been called that in awhile.  Must be your boyish good looks.
I, too, would love to see a NP-Loras matchup--since that would mean NP is in the national tourney.  Here's hoping that by then the Vikings will have everyone healthy.  By the way, what ranking system decides who hosts tournament games?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on October 09, 2011, 11:18:41 pm
In reference to the esteem poster from elmhurst, I wonder if people would hate the Park if they were losing instead of winning?

They wouldn't care about the Park at all, other than to occasionally poke fun at the Vikings (as is the case with football). The surest sign that your program is moving forward is if opposing fans start trying to pick it apart and/or complain about it. The "hey, your Swedes are too old to be playing against college boys" thread from last week was a good example of that.

In the past, everyone who cared about CCIW soccer but who didn't bleed orange directed their ire at Wheaton. Now it's directed at NPU. I love that. It's another sign of the changing of the guard. Of course, the downside is that everyone will dance a merry jig at your expense when you lose. That goes with the territory, too.

I think it's just a case of Parkers feeling disoriented by the cries of the haters, because -- let's face it -- being a doormat in most sports for so long has kept us from understanding what those cries of the haters really implies.
Sager, you're taking this way too seriously. Nobody is jealous  nor hates np soccer. Don't get so defensive. Other than the fact that Jonas is a bonafide immature turd, i love np and enjoying their rise in soccer. honest.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 09, 2011, 11:29:53 pm

Gregory - You seem like a smart guy, pulling definitions out and looking up stats (I'm impressed  ;D).

Given the ongoing kindergarten class that Loras fans have been conducting in the IIAC room ever since the frenzied finger-pointing that followed Wheaton's victory over the Duhawks, I'm impressed that you can recognize such things. ;)

So let me break this down for you and follow along real close....

This board = CCIW
CCIW (North Park and Wheaton)  = Central Region

And for the connector......
Dominican - Central Region

You want to talk about the Central Region? Fine, start a Central Region room. I'll even post in it. But this is the CCIW room. The idea that we CCIW fans are somehow "under a rock today" if we weren't raptly paying attention to a game that involved two teams that aren't in this league is just eight different kinds of silly -- particularly since NPU beat Dominican several weeks ago.

You're screaming, "Look at my team! Look at my team!", but since you're not playing someone in this league, why should we? Take it up with the NAthC fans. I don't see Ohio Northern or Babson or Manhattanville fans in here begging for attention in such an unseemly fashion. Dominican's fortunes will only affect NPU somewhere far down the road if the Vikings aren't taking care of business.

Did the lightbulb go on? If that is too much, I'm sorry, I can dumb it now.

Dominican is ranked by NSCAA as the top team in the central region AND the highest ranked central region team on the top 25 of D3Soccer's latest poll. If the relevance hasn't crept into your brain yet it is still okay, just act like you get it and write a really long response to this.

I certainly wouldn't write a long response, since you've already indicated that they put you to sleep. Since I'm two posts deep into Dumb It Down Mode for you now ;), I'll keep it short and sweet:

1) This is the CCIW room.
2) Dominican and Loras are not in the CCIW.
3) You have other venues, or potential venues, available to open up a discussion about Dominican vs. Loras.
4) NPU has already beaten Dominican. QED

And you really incriminated yourself by pulling up one goal scorer's stats. Lets look at my post again (which you dissected already) . I used the word "Swedes". The "s" at the end makes it plural. I will not go to the dictionary to explain this because it seems like you have one close. That is awesome one Swede (Notice without the "s") has some goals.

Boy, for someone for whom long posts are the equivalent of a glass of warm milk, this really turned into a Russian novel on your part. ;D

Now back to my comment which you misinterpreted,
Loras - through 14 games has 50 goals
NPU ("Swedes" not "Swede" young greg) - has 27 goals through 12 games.
50>27

Is any of this making sense?

Big freakin' deal. So the Duhawks have run up the score against the likes of Nebraska Wesleyan (3-9), St. Norbert (1-6-1), Buena Vista (4-7, with no wins over any D3 sides that have more than a single win to their credit), and Coe (4-6-1, no wins over any winning sides). You must be oh, so proud.

But, since you object to my only having cited one NPU Swede, here's another:

Kris Grahn: Reigning CCIW Player of the Year, 2010 d3soccer.com All-American, three-time All-CCIW first-teamer, scored 33 career goals to date, led CCIW in goals per game in 2009.

The rest of the Swedes who play forward or midfield for NPU, such as sophomores Filip Lindmark (an All-CCIW first-teamer as a freshman last season) and Robin Hals and freshman Isaac Blixt, haven't been around long enough to accumulate a lot of gaudy stats -- although the two assists Hals tallied against Wheaton last night puts him fifth in the league in points.

If you want to continue taking potshots at NPU's Swedes, sight unseen, making yourself look like an ignoramus in the process ::), that's just fine with me.

I hope you have some better analogies than your scroll bar one. You have to feel a little bit dumb right now,

You're right, I do ... in the "wrestle with pigs, come up dirty" sense of the word. ;) But what really gets me is that I believed you when you said that you didn't like long posts ... and then you proceeded to provide one of your very own. Shame on me for that! ;D

it is okay though, don't get mad. Put your helmet on before you start typing next time,

Huh? Now you're quoting David Bowie lyrics at me? Man, that's one non sequitur I did not see coming. ???

Thanks for playing, young greg. Come back real soon!

I'm here every day, Spudboy. Tomorrow I'll bring you some cookies to go with that glass of warm milk! ;D
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 10, 2011, 12:04:44 am
Sager, you're taking this way too seriously. Nobody is jealous  nor hates np soccer.

Seems like you have a bone to pick with blue_jays, then, not with me -- because he pretty clearly expressed the opposite opinion to what you're saying here.

And I encountered an awful lot of people who were wearing Wheaton apparel last night who were exhibiting antipathy towards NPU. Not all of them, of course, but enough of them. Again, that's OK with me. It is a rivalry, after all.

("Haters" doesn't literally refer to hatred, by the way. It's a current slang term that roughly means "a person who is envious of someone else's success.")

Don't get so defensive.

I'm not. IdahoSoccer is clearly trolling, but you and guys like blue_jays clearly know soccer and follow the local schools. The more that guys like you post, the livelier and better this room gets. And with that comes give-and-take, and I'm perfectly fine with that. I relish it, in fact, as anyone who follows the CCIW basketball room will attest.

Other than the fact that Jonas is a bonafide immature turd, i love np and enjoying their rise in soccer. honest.

Color me skeptical about your sincerity (about loving NPU and enjoying the Vikes' rise in soccer, not about calling Pettersson a turd ;)), but I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. ;D

Ha!  Sager, I bet you haven't been called that in awhile.  Must be your boyish good looks.

His calling me young and your calling me good-looking is obviously all a part of a conspiracy to throw me off my game. ;)

I, too, would love to see a NP-Loras matchup--since that would mean NP is in the national tourney.  Here's hoping that by then the Vikings will have everyone healthy.  By the way, what ranking system decides who hosts tournament games?

The selection committee selects at-large schools (Pool B and Pool C) via five primary criteria. This is from last season's D3 men's soccer championship handbook (page 9):

Quote
The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA
championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
- Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
- Opponents’ Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
[See Appendix A for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.]
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
Note:
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the rankings/
selection process only.
- Once a team is ranked in the sport’s official rankings, it is always considered
ranked.
• Conference postseason contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth
years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional and reclassifying members
shall remain ineligible for rankings and selections.

If that doesn't suffice to separate potential at-large selections, then the committee goes to secondary (non-regional) criteria.

The regional rankings referred to in the handbook are put out by the committee on three late-season Wednesdays. This year, presumably (the 2011 handbook isn't out yet, or at least it isn't available on the NCAA website), those three rankings will be released by the committee on October 19, October 26, and November 2.

Once all of the schools have been selected and seeded based upon the five primary criteria (Pool A schools are the ones that've won the automatic berths of their respective leagues), the host schools are determined thus:

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Pairings and Site Selection
Once automatic qualifiers are identified and the Pools B and C teams are selected, the following guidelines should be followed:
• Teams will be grouped in clusters according to natural geographic proximity. Teams will then be paired according to geographic proximity. A team may be moved to numerically balance the bracket if geographic proximity is maintained. Teams should be paired and eligible sites should be selected according to geographic proximity (within 500 miles).
• Teams may be seeded on a regional basis using the regional selection criteria. However, geographic proximity takes precedence over seeding.
• Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as long as geographic proximity is maintained.
• The highest-seeded team that meets all selection criteria (and after a review of the submitted host materials) will be selected as the host institution, provided geographic proximity is maintained. Flights will be kept to a minimum. The highest-seeded team at four-team sites will have the opportunity to select which game time it prefers.
The higher-seeded team will be listed at the top of the competition bracket.

Hope that makes sense!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on October 10, 2011, 09:31:56 am
That long diatribe was very entertaining and educational, but I'm a little tired now, so I think I'll take a nap.  :-\
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: IdahoSoccer on October 10, 2011, 10:56:29 am

Big freakin' deal. So the Duhawks have run up the score against the likes of Nebraska Wesleyan (3-9), St. Norbert (1-6-1), Buena Vista (4-7, with no wins over any D3 sides that have more than a single win to their credit), and Coe (4-6-1, no wins over any winning sides). You must be oh, so proud.

Young greg - Not to quote you here or anything - but this is the CCIW forum.

Loras -IIAC

Why are you talking about Loras young greg?

But since you opened that door, lets explore it. DuHawks - in the past 5 years -  5 Straight Sweet 16s, 2 Elite 8s, 2 Final Fours. I believe Messiah (Not CCIW I know greg calm down), Calvin (Not CCIW I know greg calm down) are the only two other teams to be in the last 5 straight sweet 16s. Not for sure though. And looking to keep the streak a live this year.

North Park (CCIW) - I don't even know your national appearances (probably a couple one and done appearances?) but I'm sure they are not close to the ones above. 

So young greg, look at my team and then back to yours  :P   Strap your helmet in

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on October 10, 2011, 11:26:43 am
This is another example of why teams in the north region have a difficult time attempting to root for Loras when they make the NCAA tournament.

Jumping into a thread that has nothing to do with them so they can talk about their team and bash any other team that is brought up... Doesn't make much sense.

I had a chance to meet some NPU fans when they traveled to Gustavus in 2006 for their NCAA game versus Wartburg.  They seemed like a decent group of people.  They actually had a section of fans that were cheering throughout the game which made for an enjoyable environment.  It was much more enjoyable then listening to Wartburg parents complain throughout the match. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on October 10, 2011, 12:14:41 pm
gg33, Are you saying some Loras fans are overbearing, immature, and act like they've never been there before?  ;D
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on October 10, 2011, 12:18:27 pm
Correct.

Only some though.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on October 10, 2011, 12:38:38 pm
Ugh, now I have to defend Sager by default. How painful  ;). However, he doth own superior prose and reasoning to Mister Idaho.
After having seen both Loras and North Park this season, I'm a bit divided. Loras is stacked with seniors and Malcolm Calbert is studly. North Park has its equivalency in talent but is young and untested with so many new starters. On a neutral field, it’s a real toss-up. The factors it would come down to are defense and health. Both teams can score and have great offensive players. When/if Grahn is healthy, he is probably the X-factor. I found Robin Hals impressive as well.
Dominican confuses me. They aren’t as good as last year, but they are still elite and rock solid across the board. However, they’ve also put up a few stinkers, most notably to Loras. They are definite #3 behind both teams mentioned above.
Since Elmhurst hasn’t had soccer very long, I don’t have a real dog in this race. My dislike for North Park is mostly directed at select players. I prefer stoicism out of my players rather than a proclivity to whiny tantrums. I’ve got big respect for John Born and his ability to build his program to where it is now. I have equal respect for Dan Rothert who is simultaneously running two nationally-ranked programs.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: IdahoSoccer on October 10, 2011, 12:44:16 pm
Luckily this isnt a popularity contest guys. Dont take this stuff to heart, everybody is getting a little worked up. If the teams in the North don't want to root for Loras in the NCAA tourny oh well (Young greg is going to kill me for mentioning the North in the CCIW forum, your fault GG), maybe the teams of the North should focus on making the tourny more and not rooting for other teams  ;D.

 
gg33, Are you saying some Loras fans are overbearing, immature, and act like they've never been there before?  ;D

If being overbearing, immature, "never been there before" is being in the last four straight sweet 16s, 2 of the last four final fours. I dont want to be anything else guys, guilty as charged.

"Closed mouths dont get fed"
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on October 10, 2011, 02:23:39 pm
North Park 3 Wheaton 2.

Stats leaned Wheaton's way as far as shots and corner kicks, although Park capitalized on their opportunities. A few inches right and they'd be in overtime, but a post is a post. I love this rivalry and look forward to many more games in the future. First and foremost, It will be a joy to watch these two in the CCIW finals come November.

So what is it with the Thunders? Never seen them go this long without making noise in ncaas. Is it giuliano? He seems to recruit well but doesn't seem to know what to do with'em. Hussey and Clark were loved by richardson whereas cavers was basically pushed out. Musgrave was sought after player out west as well.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Christan Shirk on October 10, 2011, 08:35:59 pm
the 2011 handbook isn't out yet, or at least it isn't available on the NCAA website

Actually it has been out for at least a couple weeks.  It has a slightly new name, now called a Pre-Championship Manual and it serves for both men and women.  And as seems to be the norm with the NCAA, they are always changing where they locate such stuff on their family of websites making it an adventure to find if in fact it has already been made available.  *sigh*

Anyway, here's the page that has the link to the manual:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/ncaa/sports+and+championship/soccer/mens/division+iii/index+-+diii+mens+soccer

And here's the direct link to the manual:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/3100a180486425439425ffb1fe52de76/MAN_PreChamps_DIII_Soccer_11.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=3100a180486425439425ffb1fe52de76

One new twist this year that I will draw your attention to: 
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APPENDIX C
Section C•1 MEN’S STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE MULTIPLIER

Beginning with the 2011 season, the calculation of strength of schedule for Division III men’s soccer will include a statistical component giving more value to away games (i.e., games played on the road). A multiplier of 1.25 will be factored into the opponents’ average winning percentage (OWP) and opponents’ opponents’ average winning percentage (OOWP) for away games and a multiplier of 0.85 be factored into the OWP and OOWP for home games.
Interesting.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on October 10, 2011, 11:00:24 pm
Correct.

Only some though.
I feel so alone sometimes! :-(

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Wormburner on October 11, 2011, 08:54:28 am
Oh com'on KICKIN, I'm always "sending the love" your way.  Circumstances, and the occasional burst of discretion, just keep me from posting 99% of what I know...
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 11, 2011, 05:36:33 pm
Ugh, now I have to defend Sager by default. How painful  ;).

We all have our crosses to bear. ;)

However, he doth own superior prose and reasoning to Mister Idaho.

For the record, two smacks of a troll is my limit -- they'll own the thread if you keep responding to them -- so I'm through bantering with Spudboy. But, as far as NPU and Loras is concerned, it is interesting that you've seen both sides, blue_jays, and thus have a basis for comparing them. Good to file that away for future use in case this matchup comes to fruition in the tourney and we need a preview from an eyewitness who has enough soccer acumen to speak intelligently about that matchup.

the 2011 handbook isn't out yet, or at least it isn't available on the NCAA website

Actually it has been out for at least a couple weeks.  It has a slightly new name, now called a Pre-Championship Manual and it serves for both men and women.  And as seems to be the norm with the NCAA, they are always changing where they locate such stuff on their family of websites making it an adventure to find if in fact it has already been made available.  *sigh*

Anyway, here's the page that has the link to the manual:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/ncaa/sports+and+championship/soccer/mens/division+iii/index+-+diii+mens+soccer

And here's the direct link to the manual:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/3100a180486425439425ffb1fe52de76/MAN_PreChamps_DIII_Soccer_11.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=3100a180486425439425ffb1fe52de76

One new twist this year that I will draw your attention to: 
Quote
APPENDIX C
Section C•1 MEN’S STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE MULTIPLIER

Beginning with the 2011 season, the calculation of strength of schedule for Division III men’s soccer will include a statistical component giving more value to away games (i.e., games played on the road). A multiplier of 1.25 will be factored into the opponents’ average winning percentage (OWP) and opponents’ opponents’ average winning percentage (OOWP) for away games and a multiplier of 0.85 be factored into the OWP and OOWP for home games.
Interesting.

First of all, thanks, Christan, both for finding the new handbook Pre-Championship Manual on that labyrinthine mess of an NCAA website and for linking to it. Second, thanks for drawing our attention to the new SOS wrinkle. It's actually the same -- or at least very, very close -- to the SOS multiplier that D3 added for the men's basketball tournament last season, which makes me wonder if this is something that's coming down from a higher authority than the championship committees of the various D3 sports. I'll have to ask one of our oracles who can interpret NCAA Bureaucratese (Pat Coleman and Ralph Turner) if, indeed, the SOS multipliers are coming from a higher source or if it's just a case of the various D3 sports committees playing copycat.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 11, 2011, 06:44:37 pm
Congrats to NPU junior Erik Kinhammar, who today became the Park's fifth different player to win CCIW Player of the Week. He and Elvin Ahmeti have done a terrific job of filling in as the center backs since Jakob Aronsson and Carl Danberg were injured in the Elmhurst match.

So what is it with the Thunders? Never seen them go this long without making noise in ncaas. Is it giuliano? He seems to recruit well but doesn't seem to know what to do with'em. Hussey and Clark were loved by richardson whereas cavers was basically pushed out. Musgrave was sought after player out west as well.

In defense of Giuliano, he has had size 18EEE shoes to fill. Joe Bean set stratospheric standards that any coach would have a difficult time meeting: Wheaton made appearances in 29 of the first 33 D3 tourneys during his tenure, and won two of them, and set the NCAA record for consecutive matches without a loss in the late '90s. And he accomplished this in spite of the fact that for the first twenty years he was at Wheaton he had to run the program without the CCIW's auspices, and even after the CCIW began sponsoring the sport it took another dozen years before any of the other programs became competent enough to give Wheaton a good annual challenge. The only other CCIW coach who has developed a better legacy is North Central men's cross-country coach Al Carius. With a predecessor like that, it's almost inevitable that a coach will fall short by comparison, so in a way your criticism of Giuliano really isn't fair.

But, yeah, it's been awhile since Wheaton's made any noise in the tournament. In Giuliano's first year (2007) Wheaton was eliminated in the second round, and in the following two years it was eliminated in the first round. Last year, of course, Wheaton failed to make the tourney for the first time since 1992, and if the Orange and Blue are unable to win the CCIW tourney next month it'll mean their first back-to-back seasons left sitting at home during the D3 tournament since 1979 and 1980. This is the first time that Wheaton has gone three years without a tourney win since the D3 soccer tourney began in 1974, and Giuliano's program is in danger of 2011 becoming the fourth year of that string.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on October 11, 2011, 07:01:28 pm
Congrats to NPU junior Erik Kinhammar, who today became the Park's fifth different player to win CCIW Player of the Week. He and Elvin Ahmeti have done a terrific job of filling in as the center backs since Jakob Aronsson and Carl Danberg were injured in the Elmhurst match.

So what is it with the Thunders? Never seen them go this long without making noise in ncaas. Is it giuliano? He seems to recruit well but doesn't seem to know what to do with'em. Hussey and Clark were loved by richardson whereas cavers was basically pushed out. Musgrave was sought after player out west as well.

In defense of Giuliano, he has had size 18EEE shoes to fill. Joe Bean set stratospheric standards that any coach would have a difficult time meeting: Wheaton made appearances in 29 of the first 33 D3 tourneys during his tenure, and won two of them, and set the NCAA record for consecutive matches without a loss in the late '90s. And he accomplished this in spite of the fact that for the first twenty years he was at Wheaton he had to run the program without the CCIW's auspices, and even after the CCIW began sponsoring the sport it took another dozen years before any of the other programs became competent enough to give Wheaton a good annual challenge. The only other CCIW coach who has developed a better legacy is North Central men's cross-country coach Al Carius. With a predecessor like that, it's almost inevitable that a coach will fall short by comparison, so in a way your criticism of Giuliano really isn't fair.

But, yeah, it's been awhile since Wheaton's made any noise in the tournament. In Giuliano's first year (2007) Wheaton was eliminated in the second round, and in the following two years it was eliminated in the first round. Last year, of course, Wheaton failed to make the tourney for the first time since 1992, and if the Orange and Blue are unable to win the CCIW tourney next month it'll mean their first back-to-back seasons left sitting at home during the D3 tournament since 1979 and 1980. This is the first time that Wheaton has gone three years without a tourney win since the D3 soccer tourney began in 1974, and Giuliano's program is in danger of 2011 becoming the fourth year of that string.

I, personally, believe that Wheaton does not have the same level of talent of 3 or 4 years ago. Hence, they are not performing because they are simply not as talented as a North Park or any of their 5 other loses.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on October 11, 2011, 10:02:58 pm
The Wheaton success story has shifted over to the women's side for the time being.

The men had a national championship in the 1980s and were a potent team during that decade. And after two or three years of rest, they awakened and were a top 5 team from 95 through 99, playing in two national championships, winning one and losing the other.

Picking up where the boys left off, the women got into the quarters in 2000, and won the crown in 2004, 2006, and 2007. They played again for the title in 2008 and lost (an interesting fact; those nasty evangelicals ;) have won every women's championship since 2004! Messiah, Wheaton, and Hardin-Simmons are on quite a roll).

But if one examines the success of these Wheaton teams, it always come down to one or maybe two special players that make that small difference; that one subtle advantage over the field of opponents, which is always tough (Loras, Messiah, Dominican, Trinity, Messiah, Williams, Wash U., etc.). I think what we are seeing in Wheaton play now is the absence of that one player who can win the match when needed, or that one leader who can rally the troops to greatness.

I've seen many teams over the years that have a ton of talent, and yet never make it to the Final Four, much less win a championship. Even with special talent, there are plenty of other variables that can get in the way. Talk to the York (Pa.) men's team or the Johns Hopkins women's team; two programs that have been dominant over the last seven years in men's and women's play; truly been at the top in terms of talent. Yet no rings!

Wheaton was blessed with a small handful of great individuals over the years. I believe that now as North Park is building a tradition and supporting that tradition with strong recruiting, they will continuously improve. It has been more than a few years now that the Park has been better than good. Thus, I'll bet they will "surprisingly" end up with that one player who will indeed get them to the top. And it won't be an accident.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on October 12, 2011, 12:05:48 am
Yes i agree that Giuliano has big shoes to fill. But he does get cream of the crop players. I see him all the time at DA games trying to recruit and he does get some of em. But then I see so many other d3 coaches hanging around at da games as well. Maybe you're right Jim. He needs that one or two players to take the team to the elite level. His recruiting class this year was so so and i heard he lost couple recruits to u chicago and carleton. Yep, npu is building something there and it's going to be interesting next few seasons.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 12, 2011, 10:51:26 am
Yes i agree that Giuliano has big shoes to fill. But he does get cream of the crop players. I see him all the time at DA games trying to recruit and he does get some of em. But then I see so many other d3 coaches hanging around at da games as well. Maybe you're right Jim. He needs that one or two players to take the team to the elite level. His recruiting class this year was so so and i heard he lost couple recruits to u chicago and carleton. Yep, npu is building something there and it's going to be interesting next few seasons.

What are DA games?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on October 12, 2011, 12:46:26 pm
What are DA games?

DA = developmental academy. You know, the be all and end all of youth soccer run by ussf which will win us world cup trophy in about... oh.. 100 more years.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on October 12, 2011, 12:57:23 pm
What are DA games?

DA = developmental academy. You know, the be all and end all of youth soccer run by ussf which will win us world cup trophy in about... oh.. 100 more years.
If that's not bulletin board for the US national team, I don't know what is. :o
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Wormburner on October 12, 2011, 04:15:40 pm
Interesting thought, what will come first, US World Cup Win or Chicago Cubs World Series Win???
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on October 12, 2011, 05:05:04 pm
I watched "Catching Hell" the other night.  It is a recent documentary about Steve Bartman and the Game Six debacle.  Some fantastic footage comes from a fan who chronicled the infamous game with a video recorder.  The security guard who escorted a disguised Bartman away from Wrigley was interviewed. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 12, 2011, 05:54:34 pm
Interesting thought, what will come first, US World Cup Win or Chicago Cubs World Series Win???

My vote is the Cubs world series if for no other reason than they get to try every year. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 12, 2011, 07:43:20 pm
The NCAA has vacated the two ties NPU had against Methodist and North Carolina Wesleyan last month on account of the fact that in neither match were overtimes played, because Methodist wanted to keep its two-day tournament on a prearranged timetable. Thus, NPU's record is now 8-0-3.

Those ties more than likely weren't going to matter, anyway, since they were not in-region. Nevertheless, it's good to get rid of them (although it's going to hurt Jonas Pettersson in the national goals and scoring lists). This doesn't erase the fact that the Vikings didn't play well that weekend in the Tarheel State, but it makes the record look a little tidier.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 13, 2011, 01:54:46 pm
Greg, are there any negative ramifications for North Park having played two fewer games (or for having two fewer games recorded)?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 13, 2011, 05:11:22 pm
Greg, are there any negative ramifications for North Park having played two fewer games (or for having two fewer games recorded)?

I can't think of any.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on October 14, 2011, 07:33:21 pm
Off to watch npu men crush augustana boys. Not as windy as I expected and no rain in sight. Should be fun.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on October 14, 2011, 10:46:50 pm
That move by the NCAA has really helped North Park's overall record. 8-0-3 seems more reflective of the strength of the team. As Greg said, the matches were out of the region, but still....

No issue at all with two fewer matches. The NESCAC plays even fewer matches in their conference schedule.

Maybe this is the year for the Vikings? Maybe this is the year for an upgraded Vikings website??
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: dennis_prikkel on October 14, 2011, 11:01:28 pm
north park beats the vi-queens from rock island 3-1 tonight
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on October 15, 2011, 07:50:25 am
north park beats the vi-queens from rock island 3-1 tonight
It looks like the game got chippy in the second half (75th minute): one yellow card on Augie, then two red cards, one for each team.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 15, 2011, 07:01:18 pm
north park beats the vi-queens from rock island 3-1 tonight
It looks like the game got chippy in the second half (75th minute): one yellow card on Augie, then two red cards, one for each team.

It was an ugly incident, that's for sure. It got pretty chippy in the stands, too. I was the P.A. announcer, and I was flabbergasted when an Augie mom went up to the window of the press box and flipped us off after Augie scored its goal. Maybe she thought that I didn't put enough emphasis into my identification of the Augie goal scorer. Or maybe she was IdahoSoccer's mom. :D

At any rate, it's good that NPU will get a week off ... and next Saturday's match against winless and undermanned Millikin (only seventeen guys left on the roster after the Big Blue's head coach purged seven players from the team) doesn't appear to be one that'll require maximum effort. The Vikings are still pretty banged-up, so this hiatus will provide a much-needed healing respite.

Maybe this is the year for the Vikings? Maybe this is the year for an upgraded Vikings website??

NPU soccer needs its own webmaster who'll do for the team's Internet presence what Dr. B has done for the North Park baseball team. And, no, I won't be that guy. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on October 15, 2011, 10:04:01 pm
north park beats the vi-queens from rock island 3-1 tonight
It looks like the game got chippy in the second half (75th minute): one yellow card on Augie, then two red cards, one for each team.

It was an ugly incident, that's for sure. It got pretty chippy in the stands, too. I was the P.A. announcer, and I was flabbergasted when an Augie mom went up to the window of the press box and flipped us off after Augie scored its goal. Maybe she thought that I didn't put enough emphasis into my identification of the Augie goal scorer. Or maybe she was IdahoSoccer's mom. :D

At any rate, it's good that NPU will get a week off ... and next Saturday's match against winless and undermanned Millikin (only seventeen guys left on the roster after the Big Blue's head coach purged seven players from the team) doesn't appear to be one that'll require maximum effort. The Vikings are still pretty banged-up, so this hiatus will provide a much-needed healing respite.

Maybe this is the year for the Vikings? Maybe this is the year for an upgraded Vikings website??

NPU soccer needs its own webmaster who'll do for the team's Internet presence what Dr. B has done for the North Park baseball team. And, no, I won't be that guy. ;)
It takes a lot of time to put together and maintain a site.  :P
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on October 16, 2011, 09:48:12 am
Illinois Wesleyan downed Elmhurst 1-0 in what started to be a pretty chippy game.  41 fouls and 7 yellow cards - the referee was in danger of losing complete control in the first half.  For reasons I can't explain, it seemed both sides settled down and played soccer the final 30 minutes of the match, with IWU getting a goal in the 78th minute by Kyle Gorgol.  With four goals in two matches this week, I would assume he would receive POW consideration.

IWU has Augie at home next Saturday (after traveling to nationally ranked Wash U. Wednesday), then wraps up at Wheaton and home against Carthage.  Clearly, only one team is out of contention for the tournament - this is always an interesting week in the schedule.

Something else interesting - if you look at the CCIW Composite Schedule (on the CCIW site) only Wheaton is listed as being scheduled for the CCIW Tournament game November 2nd.  Programming glitch, or just an annual assumption by conference staff?   :)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on October 16, 2011, 11:44:55 pm
Thanks for comment re: the Augie fan, Greg.  I attended the game with a former NPC soccer player who now uses a scooter due to MS.  He can no longer walk with a cane.  Since the northern half of the bleachers were filled with NP fans, we sat on the other half, which was dominated by parents of Augie players, I presume.  (Yes, much older than undergrads.)  Within ten seconds of our seating, an Augie fan yells, "How old are you?  How old are you?"  I thought he directed his burst at #21.  I checked the program to confirm that the player who had just made the play that did not favor Augie was #21, Lindmark.  I think Lindmark is a rail thin true sophomore.  NP could have won this game 5-1 or greater.  The Chi-town Vikes missed two open net shots (one a header at numbers high) in the first half.  Another Augie fan kept yelling angrily "stop the clock" throughout the game when NP had a free kick.  Her rules do not comport to mine.   
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 17, 2011, 03:31:16 pm
Thanks for comment re: the Augie fan, Greg.  I attended the game with a former NPC soccer player who now uses a scooter due to MS.  He can no longer walk with a cane.  Since the northern half of the bleachers were filled with NP fans, we sat on the other half, which was dominated by parents of Augie players, I presume.  (Yes, much older than undergrads.)  Within ten seconds of our seating, an Augie fan yells, "How old are you?  How old are you?"  I thought he directed his burst at #21.  I checked the program to confirm that the player who had just made the play that did not favor Augie was #21, Lindmark.  I think Lindmark is a rail thin true sophomore.  NP could have won this game 5-1 or greater.  The Chi-town Vikes missed two open net shots (one a header at numbers high) in the first half.  Another Augie fan kept yelling angrily "stop the clock" throughout the game when NP had a free kick.  Her rules do not comport to mine.

Regarding parents - Although they aren't perfect, NPU parents seem to be a quiet bunch.

When I am able to attend an NPU game, I tend to sit near the players’ parents.  There usually aren’t too many in attendance since NPU draws from across the US and a certain Scandinavian country.

I remember a handful of years ago when Adam Sinovic was on the team.  His father drove from Kansas and attended about every game and usually stood near the press box and quietly watched.  In one game the ref called a dubious foul against Adam and Adam started arguing with the Ref.  Adam’s father yelled “Quiet Adam” and Adam about broke his neck as he quickly turned to see his father in the stands and immediate got back into his position.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 17, 2011, 10:33:59 pm
Something else interesting - if you look at the CCIW Composite Schedule (on the CCIW site) only Wheaton is listed as being scheduled for the CCIW Tournament game November 2nd.  Programming glitch, or just an annual assumption by conference staff?   :)

Ha! I thought the same thing when I saw that back in September. ;D

Thanks for comment re: the Augie fan, Greg.  I attended the game with a former NPC soccer player who now uses a scooter due to MS.  He can no longer walk with a cane.  Since the northern half of the bleachers were filled with NP fans, we sat on the other half, which was dominated by parents of Augie players, I presume.  (Yes, much older than undergrads.)  Within ten seconds of our seating, an Augie fan yells, "How old are you?  How old are you?"  I thought he directed his burst at #21.  I checked the program to confirm that the player who had just made the play that did not favor Augie was #21, Lindmark.  I think Lindmark is a rail thin true sophomore.  NP could have won this game 5-1 or greater.  The Chi-town Vikes missed two open net shots (one a header at numbers high) in the first half.  Another Augie fan kept yelling angrily "stop the clock" throughout the game when NP had a free kick.  Her rules do not comport to mine.

Regarding parents - Although they aren't perfect, NPU parents seem to be a quiet bunch.

Definitely true, and, what's more, I'd say that it's true of NPU sports parents in general ... although the football moms and dads can get a little animated at times.

There usually aren’t too many in attendance since NPU draws from across the US and a certain Scandinavian country.

Filip Lindmark's dad and little sister flew in for the match on Friday night. It was the first time that either one had visited America, much less set foot on the NPU campus. That made me feel even worse when I saw Lindmark take himself out of action for good yet again early in a match. You know that he's hurting when he can't play in a contest that his family flew over four thousand miles to see.

I remember a handful of years ago when Adam Sinovic was on the team.  His father drove from Kansas and attended about every game and usually stood near the press box and quietly watched.  In one game the ref called a dubious foul against Adam and Adam started arguing with the Ref.  Adam’s father yelled “Quiet Adam” and Adam about broke his neck as he quickly turned to see his father in the stands and immediate got back into his position.

That's a great story. I've known a couple of other North Park dads who've driven or flown long distances to catch every one of their sons' soccer matches. The father of current NPU keeper Tim Ahlberg, who lives in a suburb of Toledo, not only never misses a match, he never misses a chance to have dinner at Charcoal Delights as part of the trip. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: dennis_prikkel on October 17, 2011, 10:46:36 pm
of course Jon Ahlberg is also a North Park alum - in our day charcoal delights was known as The Hot Dog Pit, or just the Pit.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 17, 2011, 10:57:46 pm

I remember a handful of years ago when Adam Sinovic was on the team.  His father drove from Kansas and attended about every game and usually stood near the press box and quietly watched.  In one game the ref called a dubious foul against Adam and Adam started arguing with the Ref.  Adam’s father yelled “Quiet Adam” and Adam about broke his neck as he quickly turned to see his father in the stands and immediate got back into his position.

That's a great story. I've known a couple of other North Park dads who've driven or flown long distances to catch every one of their sons' soccer matches. The father of current NPU keeper Tim Ahlberg, who lives in a suburb of Toledo, not only never misses a match, he never misses a chance to have dinner at Charcoal Delights as part of the trip. ;)

When Adam's father was in Chicago, his mother was usually watching their son Seth's home/away games for Creighton.  Thankfully for them, he now plays for their local MLS team so travel is less often I assume, but potentially much further if they still make away trips.

http://www.sportingkc.com/players/seth-sinovic
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 17, 2011, 11:03:03 pm
of course Jon Ahlberg is also a North Park alum - in our day charcoal delights was known as The Hot Dog Pit, or just the Pit.

Non-Parkers can't be expected to know the old name ... although I'm always surprised when I refer to "the Pit" in the presence of a current NPU student or a recent alumnus/alumna, and he or she is already aware of the fact that it's the long-obsolete name of Charcoal Delights. Somebody is keeping that name alive on campus.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: dennis_prikkel on October 18, 2011, 11:25:07 am
of course Jon Ahlberg is also a North Park alum - in our day charcoal delights was known as The Hot Dog Pit, or just the Pit.

Non-Parkers can't be expected to know the old name ... although I'm always surprised when I refer to "the Pit" in the presence of a current NPU student or a recent alumnus/alumna, and he or she is already aware of the fact that it's the long-obsolete name of Charcoal Delights. Somebody is keeping that name alive on campus.

could be the large photo on the wall near the front cash register is a good reminder as well

There are those of us ancients that also remember Red's Drive In was right next to the Old Pit (where the driveway entrance to CD is now).
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on October 18, 2011, 12:37:15 pm
Something else interesting - if you look at the CCIW Composite Schedule (on the CCIW site) only Wheaton is listed as being scheduled for the CCIW Tournament game November 2nd.  Programming glitch, or just an annual assumption by conference staff?   :)

If you look at the websites of Augustana, Carthage, Illinois Wesleyan, North Park and Wheaton, you will find on their soccer schedules that they have CCIW Tournament posted. They are merely putting out the information so that people can plan their futures schedules accordingly if their team qualifies.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 18, 2011, 02:22:52 pm
That's true, but it's not really germane to the point that voiceofseason was making. He was referring to the odd singling-out of Wheaton on the CCIW composite schedule found on the men's soccer page on www.cciw.org. Although the location of the CCIW tourney is listed as TBA on the composite schedule, Wheaton is listed in the slot where the home side appears. (http://www.cciw.org/calendar.aspx?path=msoc&season=2011&) There aren't any other schools listed except for Wheaton; the visiting side's slot says "CCIW Tournament". I agree with voiceofseason that it's probably just a funny programming glitch, but the fact that traditional CCIW soccer leviathan Wheaton is the one school of the eight that is listed there is what makes it funny.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on October 18, 2011, 10:18:24 pm
That's true, but it's not really germane to the point that voiceofseason was making. He was referring to the odd singling-out of Wheaton on the CCIW composite schedule found on the men's soccer page on www.cciw.org. Although the location of the CCIW tourney is listed as TBA on the composite schedule, Wheaton is listed in the slot where the home side appears. (http://www.cciw.org/calendar.aspx?path=msoc&season=2011&) There aren't any other schools listed except for Wheaton; the visiting side's slot says "CCIW Tournament". I agree with voiceofseason that it's probably just a funny programming glitch, but the fact that traditional CCIW soccer leviathan Wheaton is the one school of the eight that is listed there is what makes it funny.
What Greg said.   ;D

Travelng tomorrow to St. Louis to see what Wash U has to offer as the region's top team vs IWU.  It'll be interesting to assess their athleticism after seeing North Park earlier in the year.  IWU is without a couple starters (concussion, yellow card accumulation) in addition to being down to one GK as the season progresses.  As if a trip to Wash U wasn't enough of a challenge.....
Title: Re: Central Region (NAthCon update)
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 20, 2011, 06:53:30 am
NAthCon update:

Dominican, CUW, MSOE and Aurora have clinched conference tournament spots:

Remaining schedules for 4 contenders for 2 spots:

Benedictine:  vs. MSOE, vs. Rockford
Edgewood:    vs. Rockford, @ Maranatha
Marian:         @ Maranatha, vs. Lakeland
Lakeland:      vs. WLC, @ Marian

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Whocares1 on October 20, 2011, 07:59:15 pm
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It was an ugly incident, that's for sure. It got pretty chippy in the stands, too. I was the P.A. announcer, and I was flabbergasted when an Augie mom went up to the window of the press box and flipped us off after Augie scored its goal. Maybe she thought that I didn't put enough emphasis into my identification of the Augie goal scorer. Or maybe she was IdahoSoccer's mom. :D

Maybe she was just a little bit excited that Augie scored its first goal against NPU in two years and was celebrating the fact with the count.  I guess she did a double flip last night against Wheaton!

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Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 20, 2011, 11:12:46 pm
Travelng tomorrow to St. Louis to see what Wash U has to offer as the region's top team vs IWU.  It'll be interesting to assess their athleticism after seeing North Park earlier in the year.  IWU is without a couple starters (concussion, yellow card accumulation) in addition to being down to one GK as the season progresses.  As if a trip to Wash U wasn't enough of a challenge.....

Interested to hear what you thought of Wash U, who (on paper, at least) seemed to handle IWU with ease.  How does the CCIW (esp NPU) compare to Wash U?   Quite interested to see what comes of the Wash U v Loras match in a few weeks, especially now that Loras has shown to be vulnerable with a conference loss to Luther.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on October 20, 2011, 11:30:57 pm
  Quite interested to see what comes of the Wash U v Loras match in a few weeks, especially now that Loras has shown to be vulnerable with a conference loss to Luther.
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Wash U v Loras match isn't a few weeks away, it is 3 days (sunday).
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on October 21, 2011, 03:09:10 pm
Travelng tomorrow to St. Louis to see what Wash U has to offer as the region's top team vs IWU.  It'll be interesting to assess their athleticism after seeing North Park earlier in the year.  IWU is without a couple starters (concussion, yellow card accumulation) in addition to being down to one GK as the season progresses.  As if a trip to Wash U wasn't enough of a challenge.....

Interested to hear what you thought of Wash U, who (on paper, at least) seemed to handle IWU with ease.  How does the CCIW (esp NPU) compare to Wash U?   Quite interested to see what comes of the Wash U v Loras match in a few weeks, especially now that Loras has shown to be vulnerable with a conference loss to Luther.

I was impressed with Wash U - they are deep.  IWU was without a couple starters and actually would have tied the game 1-1 if not for a great save by the Wash U goalie, who proceeded to kick off a transition that ended up being an incredible goal at the other end (bullet cross to a header).  The game went from being potentially tied to being a 2-0 match in a matter of 30 seconds, and ended 3-0 (another quick strike from about the 18 that IWU's GK wasn't apparently prepared for).  Wash U's GK had another great save as well - while Wash U had the better end of things, IWU competed and easily could have gotten out of there with a tie if they got a break or two.  Clearly, the best team won though.

I would be hard pressed to bet on a NP-Wash U game.  My inclination is that I was more impressed with the physical abilities of the North Park team, but I also thought Wash U was incredibly organized and the GK was simply stellar Wednesday night.  If I had to pick a winner, I'd go with NP simply because I think they could strike so quickly.  I know it would be a dogfight, and a game I'd enjoy watching....

 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 21, 2011, 07:03:24 pm
In the NCAA's first weekly ranking, released two days ago, (http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer-men/d3/regional_rankings) NPU was second in the Central Region behind Washington (MO) (13-1). (This is in spite of the fact that NPU has the common-opponent criterion advantage over Wash U; the Vikings beat Dominican, and the Stars handed the Bears their only loss of the season back in September,) Thus, the Vikings are rooting for Loras to win that big match on Sunday in Iowa between the Duhawks and the Bears. A Loras win would presumably put NPU in the driver's seat in terms of next week's second NCAA ranking.

Wash U does have a tough row to hoe in terms of its remaining schedule. After traveling to Loras (#1 North Region, 13-2-2) on Sunday, the Bears will host Rochester (#4 East Region, 8-3-1) a week from tonight and Case Western Reserve (#6 Great Lakes Region, 11-3) a week from Sunday. The Bears then conclude the regular season on the road in Hyde Park against a 6-6-2 Chicago side that has really stumbled badly over the past month but which has demonstrated that it's capable of playing at a much higher level than its record indicates.

North Park (9-0-3) travels to Decatur tomorrow to face hapless Millikin (0-14) and then moves on to Kenosha on Wednesday night to face a tough test in Carthage (9-5-2) before winding up the regular season at home against North Central (9-3-2) a week from tomorrow. But here's where NPU's road gets tougher and Wash U's gets easier; the UAA doesn't have a conference tournament, and the CCIW does. Even if NPU gets to host it, that's two more tough matches before Selection Day.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 26, 2011, 10:57:49 pm
Alas, NPU's undefeated status ended tonight with a 1-0 loss to Carthage. I knew that this would be a tough match, particularly since it was played up at Art Keller Field in Kenosha. Now the Vikings have to close out strong at home against North Central and root for Illinois Wesleyan to beat the Red Men down in Bloomington on Saturday in order for NPU to host the CCIW tourney.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on October 26, 2011, 11:41:00 pm
Why didn't Pederson and Lindstrom play? I went to the game and was looking forward to seeing them. I thought North Park's attack was pretty anemic tonight. Carthage played very strong in the back though and didn't give them a chance to get untracked.
Is it that North Park really missed those two? What do they do differently with them in the line-up?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 27, 2011, 12:03:55 am
Why didn't Pederson and Lindstrom play? I went to the game and was looking forward to seeing them. I thought North Park's attack was pretty anemic tonight. Carthage played very strong in the back though and didn't give them a chance to get untracked.
Is it that North Park really missed those two? What do they do differently with them in the line-up?

Pettersson (not Pederson) was out due to a red card that he took on Saturday at Millikin, presumably after arguing a yellow (the time given for both cards is the same, so it's pretty easy to deduce what happened). There's absolutely no excuse for that on his part. He really hurt the team by putting himself in the situation where he had to sit out tonight's match. I don't know what the circumstances were, but it doesn't matter. Regardless of what the Big Blue were doing to him, he had to stay above it and keep his cool -- he's too important to NPU's fortunes to miss an important match like tonight's for a non-injury-related reason, especially with Lindmark out and Grahn playing on a bad knee that is seriously hampering his game.

Lindmark (not Lindstrom) has been in and out of the lineup all season long with a nagging groin injury. He didn't play against Millikin, either.

With two of them out and the third hobbled, NPU loses a considerable amount of its offensive punch. Please note that I'm not making excuses for NPU; you have to play with the guys you have on the field, regardless of the circumstances, and I'm sure that Carthage won this one fair and square.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on October 27, 2011, 10:26:11 am
Alas, NPU's undefeated status ended tonight with a 1-0 loss to Carthage. I knew that this would be a tough match, particularly since it was played up at Art Keller Field in Kenosha. Now the Vikings have to close out strong at home against North Central and root for Illinois Wesleyan to beat the Red Men down in Bloomington on Saturday in order for NPU to host the CCIW tourney.

Clearly, IWU will be motivated and needs a victory Saturday to make the conference tournament.  It was a nice battle last night, and Wheaton put in a goal through traffic on a short clearance in the the last 10 minutes.  IWU had a couple chances themselves, but just didn't get it done.

This is the third year in a row that IWU has gone down to the last game needing a result against Carthage.  Hopefully playing at home can get them over the hump....

I believe an IWU tie and an Augie win would also put the Titans through, but you certainly can't count on that.  IWU needs a win at home.

It's interesting how a season can actually be broken down to a couple plays - had IWU put one of their chances in and clear that ball that Wheaton ultimately scored on, the Thunder's season would be over.  Situations like these make the game that much more enjoyable watching....

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 27, 2011, 02:53:07 pm
It's interesting how a season can actually be broken down to a couple plays - had IWU put one of their chances in and clear that ball that Wheaton ultimately scored on, the Thunder's season would be over.  Situations like these make the game that much more enjoyable watching....

Yep, it's definitely a strange new world for Wheaton, having to win twice in the last week and then get some help from somebody else just to get into the CCIW tourney. There's never been a CCIW tourney that didn't include Wheaton. Heck, there's never been a CCIW tourney championship match that didn't involve Wheaton.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on October 27, 2011, 03:52:38 pm
Why would Pettersson, playing for an undefeated team, engage in a play against a winless team, that results in him getting booted from an important game against a good team?

Can anyone describe what he did to deserve the red card?  Was it a questionable call or is Pettersson an uncontrollable hothead?  (I believe he got kicked out of another game.)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 27, 2011, 04:06:50 pm
Why would Pettersson, playing for an undefeated team, engage in a play against a winless team, that results in him getting booted from an important game against a good team?

I wish I knew, Mark. I wish I knew.

Can anyone describe what he did to deserve the red card?  Was it a questionable call or is Pettersson an uncontrollable hothead?  (I believe he got kicked out of another game.)

I wasn't there -- with an announced attendance of 30, sounds like hardly anybody was at that match down in Decatur -- and I haven't heard anything about it from anyone connected to the NPU program. As I said before, I drew the logical inference that Pettersson was red-carded for complaining about the yellow card he'd just been given, as the times listed for the two cards are identical in the box score. As for your last question, I don't see it as being an either/or situation. Regardless of how questionable a call it was, there are no circumstances whatsoever that warrant having a red card follow upon the heels of getting a yellow card. You shut up, you swallow your ego and your anger, you walk away from the referee, and that's that. I don't care if your opponent pulled your shorts down around your ankles and the referee didn't see it happen. You take your yellow card, you clam up, and you keep playing.

He didn't get kicked out of another game. He did miss the contest against UW-Whitewater due to the fact that he had accumulated five yellow cards. In NCAA soccer, once you're given your fifth yellow card of the season, you then have to sit out the next game.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on October 27, 2011, 04:18:30 pm
Why would Pettersson, playing for an undefeated team, engage in a play against a winless team, that results in him getting booted from an important game against a good team?

I wish I knew, Mark. I wish I knew.

Can anyone describe what he did to deserve the red card?  Was it a questionable call or is Pettersson an uncontrollable hothead?  (I believe he got kicked out of another game.)

I wasn't there -- with an announced attendance of 30, sounds like hardly anybody was at that match down in Decatur -- and I haven't heard anything about it from anyone connected to the NPU program. As I said before, I drew the logical inference that Pettersson was red-carded for complaining about the yellow card he'd just been given, as the times listed for the two cards are identical in the box score. As for your last question, I don't see it as being an either/or situation. Regardless of how questionable a call it was, there are no circumstances whatsoever that warrant having a red card follow upon the heels of getting a yellow card. You shut up, you swallow your ego and your anger, you walk away from the referee, and that's that. I don't care if your opponent pulled your shorts down around your ankles and the referee didn't see it happen. You take your yellow card, you clam up, and you keep playing.

He didn't get kicked out of another game. He did miss the contest against UW-Whitewater due to the fact that he had accumulated five yellow cards. In NCAA soccer, once you're given your fifth yellow card of the season, you then have to sit out the next game.

After a questionable called handball on NPU, Jonas made a remark in the realm of, "I guess you should leave your arm at home next time." I am not sure what else was said. It sounded like the ref overreacted and Jonas couldn't keep his mouth shut.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 27, 2011, 04:22:48 pm
Thanks, Sock Heir.

That's actually a pretty clever one-liner for a guy who speaks English as a second language. ;) Nevertheless, it was a stupid thing to say to a man who has the ability to make you miss the most important game of the year sitting right in his pocket.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on October 27, 2011, 04:29:00 pm
I thought so, too. I half-laughed when I heard the story.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on October 27, 2011, 04:34:07 pm


With two of them out and the third hobbled, NPU loses a considerable amount of its offensive punch. Please note that I'm not making excuses for NPU; you have to play with the guys you have on the field, regardless of the circumstances, and I'm sure that Carthage won this one fair and square.
Carthage were missing 4 starters as well. Make that 3. The replacement goalie this season is actually better than the coach's favorite. Milan Tijanic made some incredible saves and the one he made just before the final whistle saved the game for the redmen.Also missing was urosevic probably their top player. Carthage deserved the win.

Jonas really has become a headcase. He needs a good kick in the butt. How many times have I seen his teammates telling him to shut up. Probably more than a few players who can't stand wannabe prima donna. At some point you have to ask, is he helping or hurting.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on October 27, 2011, 04:38:08 pm


With two of them out and the third hobbled, NPU loses a considerable amount of its offensive punch. Please note that I'm not making excuses for NPU; you have to play with the guys you have on the field, regardless of the circumstances, and I'm sure that Carthage won this one fair and square.
Carthage were missing 4 starters as well. Make that 3. The replacement goalie this season is actually better than the coach's favorite. Milan Tijanic made some incredible saves and the one he made just before the final whistle saved the game for the redmen.Also missing was urosevic probably their top player. Carthage deserved the win.

Jonas really has become a headcase. He needs a good kick in the butt. How many times have I seen his teammates telling him to shut up. Probably more than a few players who can't stand wannabe prima donna. At some point you have to ask, is he helping or hurting.

That's a no brainer, he's helping. And with the team that NP fielded, they should have won 3-0, regardless of what Carthage team was out there. It was a matter of NP not playing well and nothing else.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on October 27, 2011, 04:55:02 pm

It was a matter of NP not playing well and nothing else.

Now THAT is a stupid thing to say. Teams don't play poorly all by their lonesome. The opponent has say in it too. It's not like Carthage just stood there while North Park missed wide open shots or something. Coulda, woulda, shoulda... this is soccer! A game where you can out shoot an opponent 30-1 and still lose 1-0. Oh and by the way, North Park got out shot.

Jonas is absolutely helping, as they wouldn't have been undefeated as long as they were without his goal scoring ability. Luckily for him, cards reset to zero in the postseason.

The CCIW race is so jumbled right now, no one can control who they might face due to the fact that teams can go from hosting to out of it in one game at this point. But if I'm North Park, I want to face Wheaton more than Elmhurst or Carthage. The Thunder defense can be quite porous in close.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on October 27, 2011, 04:59:56 pm

It was a matter of NP not playing well and nothing else.

Now THAT is a stupid thing to say. Teams don't play poorly all by their lonesome. The opponent has say in it too. It's not like Carthage just stood there while North Park missed wide open shots or something. Coulda, woulda, shoulda... this is soccer! A game where you can out shoot an opponent 30-1 and still lose 1-0. Oh and by the way, North Park got out shot.

Jonas is absolutely helping, as they wouldn't have been undefeated as long as they were without his goal scoring ability. Luckily for him, cards reset to zero in the postseason.

The CCIW race is so jumbled right now, no one can control who they might face due to the fact that teams can go from hosting to out of it in one game at this point. But if I'm North Park, I want to face Wheaton more than Elmhurst or Carthage. The Thunder defense can be quite porous in close.

Not to overreact, but IWU is still in the hunt too.  I'm pretty sure a win against Carthage puts them in.  There is actually a scenario (IWU win, North Central win, Augie win) where there would be a four-way tie for the title.  Doubt that's ever happened before.  I don't see NP losing again, but the other games are clear possibilities.  I suppose it depends what Augie shows up and what they decide to play for (Senior Day, etc.)

Despite being a Titan observer and fan, I hope Urosevic plays on Saturday for the Carthage.  He's one of the players in the CCIW I enjoy watching - incredibly strong.  Not sure why he missed the NP game.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on October 27, 2011, 05:05:37 pm

It was a matter of NP not playing well and nothing else.

Now THAT is a stupid thing to say. Teams don't play poorly all by their lonesome. The opponent has say in it too. It's not like Carthage just stood there while North Park missed wide open shots or something. Coulda, woulda, shoulda... this is soccer! A game where you can out shoot an opponent 30-1 and still lose 1-0. Oh and by the way, North Park got out shot.

Jonas is absolutely helping, as they wouldn't have been undefeated as long as they were without his goal scoring ability. Luckily for him, cards reset to zero in the postseason.

The CCIW race is so jumbled right now, no one can control who they might face due to the fact that teams can go from hosting to out of it in one game at this point. But if I'm North Park, I want to face Wheaton more than Elmhurst or Carthage. The Thunder defense can be quite porous in close.

Actually, teams do play poorly on their own. And there were no "Coulda, woulda, shouldas." My point was, NP lost because they did not play well (and no, Carthage did not do anything out of the ordinary. Their goal was garbage and they played within their capacity, that's about it). Which is how inferior teams actually win against superior teams.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 27, 2011, 05:23:06 pm
Jonas really has become a headcase. He needs a good kick in the butt. How many times have I seen his teammates telling him to shut up. Probably more than a few players who can't stand wannabe prima donna. At some point you have to ask, is he helping or hurting.

Well, let's see ... Jonas Pettersson is ranked ninth in the nation in goals per game, eleventh in the nation in points per game, and in terms of counting stats he's 20th in the nation in goals scored and 33rd in points scored, in spite of the fact that NPU's reduced schedule and the two games he's missed due to cards means that he's seen a lot less time than most (if not all) of the other top scorers around the country.

I vote "helping". ;)

Teams don't play poorly all by their lonesome. The opponent has say in it too. It's not like Carthage just stood there while North Park missed wide open shots or something. Coulda, woulda, shoulda... this is soccer! A game where you can out shoot an opponent 30-1 and still lose 1-0. Oh and by the way, North Park got out shot.

NPU had more shots on frame than did Carthage.

Actually, teams do play poorly on their own. And there were no "Coulda, woulda, shouldas." My point was, NP lost because they did not play well (and no, Carthage did not do anything out of the ordinary. Their goal was garbage and they played within their capacity, that's about it). Which is how inferior teams actually win against superior teams.

Looking at the arc of the season for both NPU and Carthage, and how well or how poorly they've fared against common opponents, I have to think that the advantage was squarely in North Park's corner last night, in spite of the fact that the game was played at Carthage and the Vikings were missing some key personnel. With the important caveat that I didn't see the game, I tend to believe the explanation that NPU didn't play welll and that that had a lot to do with why the Vikings lost. Having said that, however, Carthage is certainly a good team, and I don't want to take anything away from the Red Men's win; I wouldn't have been worried about the outcome going into the game if I didn't already know that the Red Men were capable of pulling off the upset.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Whocares1 on October 27, 2011, 11:37:54 pm
Correct me if I am wrong.  North Park is in the CCIW tourney, win, lose or draw because of wins over Wheaton and IWU.  If IWU, Wheaton and Elmhurst all win on Saturday, Carthage is out, due to a loss to Wheaton and a loss, if it happens, to IWU on Saturday and Elmhurst with the better record.  Weird!  It makes for a great Saturday!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on October 27, 2011, 11:39:57 pm

It was a matter of NP not playing well and nothing else.

Now THAT is a stupid thing to say. Teams don't play poorly all by their lonesome. The opponent has say in it too. It's not like Carthage just stood there while North Park missed wide open shots or something. Coulda, woulda, shoulda... this is soccer! A game where you can out shoot an opponent 30-1 and still lose 1-0. Oh and by the way, North Park got out shot.

Jonas is absolutely helping, as they wouldn't have been undefeated as long as they were without his goal scoring ability. Luckily for him, cards reset to zero in the postseason.

The CCIW race is so jumbled right now, no one can control who they might face due to the fact that teams can go from hosting to out of it in one game at this point. But if I'm North Park, I want to face Wheaton more than Elmhurst or Carthage. The Thunder defense can be quite porous in close.

Actually, teams do play poorly on their own. And there were no "Coulda, woulda, shouldas." My point was, NP lost because they did not play well (and no, Carthage did not do anything out of the ordinary. Their goal was garbage and they played within their capacity, that's about it). Which is how inferior teams actually win against superior teams.

Well I'll be happy to hear your explanation the next time North Park loses. Since evidently they are always "the superior team". I'm sure it will be because Ahlberg didn't sleep enough the night before, or Jonas ate a bad egg-salad sandwich, or the referee forgot his seeing-eye dog, or the sun was too bright for the Swedes who are used to 6 months of darkness, which will all correspond to make the team not play to their potential.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Whocares1 on October 27, 2011, 11:44:23 pm
Actually, if NP loses, Carthage loses and Wheaton wins, you have four teams at 4-2-1, pluse whatever Elmhurst does.  Interesting!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on October 27, 2011, 11:50:12 pm

It was a matter of NP not playing well and nothing else.

Now THAT is a stupid thing to say. Teams don't play poorly all by their lonesome. The opponent has say in it too. It's not like Carthage just stood there while North Park missed wide open shots or something. Coulda, woulda, shoulda... this is soccer! A game where you can out shoot an opponent 30-1 and still lose 1-0. Oh and by the way, North Park got out shot.

Jonas is absolutely helping, as they wouldn't have been undefeated as long as they were without his goal scoring ability. Luckily for him, cards reset to zero in the postseason.

The CCIW race is so jumbled right now, no one can control who they might face due to the fact that teams can go from hosting to out of it in one game at this point. But if I'm North Park, I want to face Wheaton more than Elmhurst or Carthage. The Thunder defense can be quite porous in close.

Actually, teams do play poorly on their own. And there were no "Coulda, woulda, shouldas." My point was, NP lost because they did not play well (and no, Carthage did not do anything out of the ordinary. Their goal was garbage and they played within their capacity, that's about it). Which is how inferior teams actually win against superior teams.

Well I'll be happy to hear your explanation the next time North Park loses. Since evidently they are always "the superior team". I'm sure it will be because Ahlberg didn't sleep enough the night before, or Jonas ate a bad egg-salad sandwich, or the referee forgot his seeing-eye dog, or the sun was too bright for the Swedes who are used to 6 months of darkness, which will all correspond to make the team not play to their potential.

Learn how to quote. I never said that NP was "always the superior team." And while you're at it, learn how to read. I never made any outlandish excuses. I simply stated that North Park did not play well, hence the reason why they lost. Surely even you can understand that when a team, with more talent (dare I say "superior") loses to a team that has far less talent, it is USUALLY, not always, attributed to the team with more talent not playing well.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: soc4life on October 28, 2011, 09:53:35 am
Quick question... Why does the "superior" team always just not play well when they lose? How about the other team just playing that well and deserving to win. How about the gameplan they put together, or their execution on that night. I am sure Carthage was the "superior" team the night they beat NP. Who knows...maybe if NP played to their potential Carthage would have raised their game even more and still won.

Give credit where credit is deserved and leave it at that. Carthage won and NP lost. NP will just need to raise the bar in the tourney as will every other team, to and see if they can win it.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on October 28, 2011, 10:01:04 am
Actually, if NP loses, Carthage loses and Wheaton wins, you have four teams at 4-2-1, pluse whatever Elmhurst does.  Interesting!

Under that scenario, Elmhurst is champs with a win, and stays home with a loss.  The final three spots would all come down to goal differential I imagine.

My thought is that Wheaton will win for sure, and I don't see North Central beating North Park (especially at NP).  Carthage @ IWU and Elmhurst @ Augie would appear to be the games with the likelihood of deciding the final two.  If Elmhurst wins they're in.  A loss and an IWU win or tie and they're out, if I read the tiebreaker correctly (IWU holds head to head over Elmhurst).  As was pointed out, it makes for a great Saturday!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on October 28, 2011, 10:13:40 am
Quick question... Why does the "superior" team always just not play well when they lose? How about the other team just playing that well and deserving to win. How about the gameplan they put together, or their execution on that night. I am sure Carthage was the "superior" team the night they beat NP. Who knows...maybe if NP played to their potential Carthage would have raised their game even more and still won.

Give credit where credit is deserved and leave it at that. Carthage won and NP lost. NP will just need to raise the bar in the tourney as will every other team, to and see if they can win it.

I'm perfectly fine giving credit, where credit is due. For instance, when NP tied UofC. Both sides played well and the tie was a warranted result that night. I'll even go as far to say that Elmhurst executed an excellent game plan against NP (even though it pains me to say). BUT, Carthage was not one of those cases.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on October 28, 2011, 12:19:28 pm
The Carthage defenders were clearly superior to what North Park put on the field that night. Gran was non-existant up front and was only slightly better when they moved him to mid-field. I didn't realize he was fighting an injury, but he never did assert himself. Maybe North Park is a superior team talent wise, but, on that night Carthage was the best team.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: IdahoSoccer on October 30, 2011, 12:18:01 am
Looking forward to seeing Greg's response to the NPU scoreline tonight
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on October 30, 2011, 10:52:19 am
Years ago, Greg started the CCIW basketball chat with a comment about parity in the league, and overall competitiveness within the region and nationally.

I think that CCIW soccer is in that position at this point in time. North Park clearly has the best chance to beat anyone in the country, but they are real hot and cold side this season. The rest of the conference can beat each other up, but can't (and won't have the chance to) make any waves in the post-season.

Yet, I think this is a turning point for the CCIW. The women's programs have made a name for the conference over the past five seasons, and even now, Illinois Wesleyan and Wheaton are both national top 20 teams. This needs to happen on the men's side. Carthage? North Central? Or perhaps North Park has to get some consistency and get into the quarterfinals this year!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on October 30, 2011, 11:25:44 am
Yesterday was just a crazy turn of events in a 15 minute period.  Illinois Wesleyan scores a goal to go ahead of Carthage 2-0.  A quick check of Elmhurst Live Stats and they trail Augie 2-0.  IWU is heading to the CCIW tournament.

Carthage scores, then scores again.  Overtime.

Elmhurst scores, then scores again.  Overtime.

An unfortunate ball off an IWU defenders arm and it's a PK near the end of the 1st overtime - IWU out, Carthage co-champs.

Elmhurst loses in overtime, but since IWU didn't at least tie, they still make the tourney.

And then North Park falls to North Central, and Carthage is outright champs.  Had IWU held on, it would have been a 4-way tie.

A weird day of soccer.  Jim writes about parity.  Yesterday is proof of how true that really is......
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: soc4life on October 30, 2011, 08:23:24 pm
Where are all the NP bloggers??? I am very intrigued to here what is going on behind the scenes since they have dropped their last 2 games. I know Carthage and North Central are having good years, but I would have expected more from a team that is on the verge of making deep run in the tourney.

Some insight would be helpful for those of us who have been keeping up all year. Thx
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on October 31, 2011, 12:03:39 pm
Where are all the NP bloggers??? I am very intrigued to here what is going on behind the scenes since they have dropped their last 2 games. I know Carthage and North Central are having good years, but I would have expected more from a team that is on the verge of making deep run in the tourney.

Some insight would be helpful for those of us who have been keeping up all year. Thx

As it already seems obvious, NP is having an end of year meltdown. They seemingly have played their way out of an at-large bid and will now have to win the conference tourney. They have Wheaton, at home, on Wednesday, but will be with out the services of Petterson, and McNaughton, and possibly Grahn. Hopefully NP can return to form and resurrect, a possibly lost, great season.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on October 31, 2011, 12:05:42 pm
Where are all the NP bloggers??? I am very intrigued to here what is going on behind the scenes since they have dropped their last 2 games. I know Carthage and North Central are having good years, but I would have expected more from a team that is on the verge of making deep run in the tourney.

Some insight would be helpful for those of us who have been keeping up all year. Thx

As it already seems obvious, NP is having an end of year meltdown. They seemingly have played their way out of an at-large bid and will now have to win the conference tourney. They have Wheaton, at home, on Wednesday, but will be with out the services of Petterson, and McNaughton, and possibly Grahn. Hopefully NP can return to form and resurrect, a possibly lost, great season.

Also, Lindmark will be playing, so hopefully he will insert some much needed desire into the team.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on October 31, 2011, 12:20:46 pm
I have not left this msg board.  On Friday I drove and chaperoned my kid to the Opeth concert at The Vic.  I have nothing to report regarding the Viking soccer team.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2011, 06:57:09 pm
The wheels have really come off for NPU. That's the long and short of it. Injuries, a couple of stupid suspensions, and a combination of pressing too hard and a lot of plain ol' bad luck.

NPU will be a seriously depleted side tomorrow night. But if you can't get up for the conference tourney, and you can't get up for Wheaton, then you ought to just hand in your uniform, anyway. Nobody from Wheaton's gonna feel sorry for NPU, nor should they.

We'll see what the Vikings are made out of tomorrow night.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on November 02, 2011, 10:00:45 pm
Nothing feels quite as good as beating Wheaton twice in a season.  NP 2 Wheaton 1
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on November 02, 2011, 10:09:19 pm
Carthage defeated Elmhurst 4-3 in extra time.  From a selfish standpoint, I am glad since Carthage will have a better webcast than North Park.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on November 02, 2011, 10:45:25 pm
Carthage defeated Elmhurst 4-3 in extra time.  From a selfish standpoint, I am glad since Carthage will have a better webcast than North Park.

...and the fact that NP has the chance to prove that their last loss in Kenosha was a fluke.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: dc930 on November 03, 2011, 12:29:00 am
Great atmosphere at NP tonight. Announced attendance of over 650 and that sounds about right.

NP controlled the second half, with an effective passing game. Wheaton played 7 or 8 behind the ball, hoping to spring a counter-attack. Park had particular success on the wings, with their speed, passing, and technical ability giving Wheaton defenders fits.

On the other hand, North Park was pretty shaky in defending set pieces. They allowed 2 or 3 free headers in the box and could have been down a goal or two if not for some luck and stellar goaltending by Ahlberg. They need to improve.

The winning goal with 10 minutes remaining was a bit of a defensive breakdown, with Grahn able to control the ball at the top of the 18, cut back and dribble through 3 defenders and slot home from a tight angle. The ball pin-balled between a few Wheaton legs before Grahn eventually found himself 1 on 1 with the keeper.

Too bad the championship game won't be in Chicago, I'd love to see Park fight for the title!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on November 03, 2011, 01:41:52 am
Dude, it's only an hour to kenosha.  It'll be worth it. Show ur support. besides, gas is only 3.19 per gallon up there.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 03, 2011, 03:02:37 pm
Defensive breakdown or ball-handling masterpiece by Grahn, DC? Pavlak, Hussey, Jasperse, and Martin aren't too shabby a back line (although I'm less impressed by Wheaton keeper Seager). Grahn went right through those guys like a knife through butter. A lot of NPU fans who were there later confessed that they yelled, "Shoot! Shoot!", when Grahn got the ball from Lindmark at the top of the box. Shows what we know. Even with a torn meniscus, Grahn's simply capable of doing things that you just don't see too often on this level.

I think that the numbers reflect the fact that Wheaton on balance played a better game among the outfielders than did NPU. Wheaton had more shots, and more shots on goal, and while that doesn't always paint an accurate picture, the fact is that the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance really did have any number of excellent chances -- particularly on corners, as DC pointed out. Fortunately for the royal blue and gold, Tim Ahlberg played like a man possessed and practically stood on his head to keep Wheaton from putting the go-ahead goal in the net. But as the match wore on it was clear that NPU was increasing the pressure and Wheaton was falling back on its heels. That surprised me, given the attrition problems that the Vikings have had as of late; John Born only used two reserves, while Mike Giuliano used five, and NPU has several players who are dealing with leg injuries. But because of the late-game pressure the goal itself didn't surprise me. I was only surprised by how Grahn managed to pull it off.

Foster's Finest was chanting, "Captain Kris! Captain Kris!", and I was sure glad to hear that. Grahn combines D1-level abillity with the heart of a warrior. He will be sorely missed once he sheds the North Park kit for the last time.

(On the other hand, Wheaton's Drew Golz can't graduate soon enough for my liking. That guy has always scared me.)

Sure, Wheaton is only a shadow of what it used to be. But a big part of the fun of beating Wheaton isn't simply the rivalry involved (although there is that, and Foster's Finest has done a better job of sharpening the rivalry to a knife's edge of any North Park student section I've ever seen in my thirty-plus years as a Vikings fan). Celebrating a win over Wheaton means at least implicitly acknowledging their tremendous tradition and the still-surviving skill and moxie with which Wheaton plays. I think that even the NPU players would admit that they get up for Wheaton like they do for nobody else -- I'm almost certain that Wheaton players feel the same way about NPU -- and the Vikings needed every edge that they could get last night.

Edge or no edge, though, I'm just grateful that Pettersson and McNaughton should be back in the lineup on Saturday night in Kenosha.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on November 03, 2011, 03:12:04 pm
Greg, why did Petterson have to sit out three games?  Or was he injured.  I know at least the Carthage game was because of the red card from Millikin, but why the most recent two?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on November 03, 2011, 03:35:01 pm
Greg, why did Petterson have to sit out three games?  Or was he injured.  I know at least the Carthage game was because of the red card from Millikin, but why the most recent two?

Surpassed the allotted amount of yellow cards a player can receive.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on November 03, 2011, 06:20:13 pm
No surprise that the CCIW's most disappointing teams (Elmhurst and Wheaton) are done for the season. Both suffered from lack of consistency game to game, and they both went out in poor fashion with late goals allowed. Rooting for Carthage now by default, I guess.
Say what you will about CCIW parity, but not too impressed by the conference this year. North Central and Augie fattened up on their non-conference sked. Millikin's record speaks for itself.
Big question for Wheaton now is who scores next year? Drew Golz was a monster and they ran that offense around him. Rest of the team lacks finishing touch (other than his brother Jordan, who is a great athlete).
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on November 03, 2011, 06:51:43 pm
No surprise that the CCIW's most disappointing teams (Elmhurst and Wheaton) are done for the season. Both suffered from lack of consistency game to game, and they both went out in poor fashion with late goals allowed. Rooting for Carthage now by default, I guess.
Say what you will about CCIW parity, but not too impressed by the conference this year. North Central and Augie fattened up on their non-conference sked. Millikin's record speaks for itself.
Big question for Wheaton now is who scores next year? Drew Golz was a monster and they ran that offense around him. Rest of the team lacks finishing touch (other than his brother Jordan, who is a great athlete).

Wheaton and Elmhurst were brought as far as their talent would allow, no disappointment nor shame in that.
And this is pretty normal parity as far as the CCIW is concerned. The 4 teams that were in the semis are perennial staples and the rest of the field, well, just add ambiance to the conference. Fruitless effort to expect anything more from NC and Auggie...and when, occasionally, they do pop their heads in and say "hello," it's nothing more than a nice little story.

Very true about Golz; has the most solid build I've ever seen, personally, on the soccer field.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: petemcb on November 03, 2011, 11:04:42 pm
Carthage defeated Elmhurst 4-3 in extra time.  From a selfish standpoint, I am glad since Carthage will have a better webcast than North Park.

+k.  :)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on November 05, 2011, 10:21:58 pm
Carthage 3 North Park 2 in OT.  I haven't seen enough NP games to really comment on a lot, but boy they had some sloppy passing. 

My big question is if this means NP is out of the tourney...?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on November 05, 2011, 10:35:55 pm
Carthage 3 North Park 2 in OT.  I haven't seen enough NP games to really comment on a lot, but boy they had some sloppy passing. 

My big question is if this means NP is out of the tourney...?
Was OT in the tournament sudden death?  I thought they'd play an extra period.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on November 05, 2011, 10:49:30 pm
Hmm, that's twice this year North Park has lost to Carthage despite being the "superior team". Go Red Men, you guys deserved it.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on November 05, 2011, 11:11:17 pm
Hmm, that's twice this year North Park has lost to Carthage despite being the "superior team". Go Red Men, you guys deserved it.

It's interesting how the fans of the teams that don't play in the final always have something moronic to say. Perhaps it comes with the territory of following teams that never end up making the final. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact of having no soccer sense. I've always thought that Elmhurst fans/players have never had the right to mouth off, given their past of no success. Oh well.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: deepthroat on November 05, 2011, 11:12:52 pm
Hmm, that's twice this year North Park has lost to Carthage despite being the "superior team". Go Red Men, you guys deserved it.

you mad bro?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on November 05, 2011, 11:15:27 pm
Carthage 3 North Park 2 in OT.  I haven't seen enough NP games to really comment on a lot, but boy they had some sloppy passing. 

My big question is if this means NP is out of the tourney...?

I agree, very sloppy play. Not at all indicative ("serving as a sign or indication of something" blue_jay thought I'd do the thinking for you) of their play all season. NP seemed to hit some sort of wall the past week and a half. It's very unfortunate. They had an obvious talent increase from last year's team that took the championship. I doubt they will make the NCAA tourney now, but who knows, there has been some interesting chains of events on other ends that may allow Park to get in. Fingers crossed, I guess.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 05, 2011, 11:38:06 pm
I was down in Decatur today broadcasting the NPU football game, so I only got back here in Chicago in time to see the last fourteen minutes of regulation and then the (all-too-brief) overtime. I therefore didn't see enough of the game to really comment upon it, other than that NPU really looked like it was back on its heels most of the time. Carthage seemed to be doing a much better job of possessing the ball and forcing the issue.

Just really, really disappointed right now. I give credit to Carthage, but as an NPU fan it feels as though a very talented Vikings team has self-destructed over the past week and a half.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on November 05, 2011, 11:43:30 pm
I was down in Decatur today broadcasting the NPU football game, so I only got back here in Chicago in time to see the last fourteen minutes of regulation and then the (all-too-brief) overtime. I therefore didn't see enough of the game to really comment upon it, other than that NPU really looked like it was back on its heels most of the time. Carthage seemed to be doing a much better job of possessing the ball and forcing the issue.

Just really, really disappointed right now. I give credit to Carthage, but as an NPU fan it feels as though a very talented Vikings team has self-destructed over the past week and a half.

There were some major mishaps on NP's part, as I am sure, Sager, you will hear, so I wont broadcast what happened. All in all, very disappointing. I know how it feels, so I feel horrible for the whole NP team.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on November 05, 2011, 11:49:32 pm
Hmm, that's twice this year North Park has lost to Carthage despite being the "superior team". Go Red Men, you guys deserved it.

you mad bro?

Not me, feeling good actually. I just find it amusing that certain North Park fans who ooze pretension all year get to see their team lose 3 of 4 down the stretch. And I'd like to give credit to Carthage, who stepped up to the plate and won important games.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on November 05, 2011, 11:53:50 pm
Hmm, that's twice this year North Park has lost to Carthage despite being the "superior team". Go Red Men, you guys deserved it.

you mad bro?

Not me, feeling good actually. I just find it amusing that certain North Park fans who ooze pretension all year get to see their team lose 3 of 4 down the stretch. And I'd like to give credit to Carthage, who stepped up to the plate and won important games.

Not as amusing as Elmhurst continually rotting in the burbs this time every year.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on November 05, 2011, 11:55:23 pm
Hmm, that's twice this year North Park has lost to Carthage despite being the "superior team". Go Red Men, you guys deserved it.

It's interesting how the fans of the teams that don't play in the final always have something moronic to say. Perhaps it comes with the territory of following teams that never end up making the final. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact of having no soccer sense. I've always thought that Elmhurst fans/players have never had the right to mouth off, given their past of no success. Oh well.

See, this is why people don't like you. I started by objecting to your poo-pooing of Carthage when they first won in the regular season, and you've done nothing since to disprove your arrogance. But by all means direct your ire at me, it's all hot air coming out anyhow. Whatever makes you feel better.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on November 06, 2011, 12:00:50 am
Hmm, that's twice this year North Park has lost to Carthage despite being the "superior team". Go Red Men, you guys deserved it.

It's interesting how the fans of the teams that don't play in the final always have something moronic to say. Perhaps it comes with the territory of following teams that never end up making the final. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact of having no soccer sense. I've always thought that Elmhurst fans/players have never had the right to mouth off, given their past of no success. Oh well.

See, this is why people don't like you. I started by objecting to your poo-pooing of Carthage when they first won in the regular season, and you've done nothing since to disprove your arrogance. But by all means direct your ire at me, it's all hot air coming out anyhow. Whatever makes you feel better.

Now this is turning into of an argument of who likes who? haha You seem to have relation to Elmhurst, sounds like the pot calling the kettle black, eh? Doesn't really matter, I guess. I feel better knowing that my team is better than yours.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on November 06, 2011, 12:07:59 am
Well I'm glad your mental health is intact. I was worried. Anywho, I've had enough bantering with the likes of you for the season. Happy Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on November 06, 2011, 12:10:54 am
Well I'm glad your mental health is intact. I was worried. Anywho, I've had enough bantering with the likes of you for the season. Happy Thanksgiving.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, too. I was worried we could never agree upon anything.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on November 06, 2011, 01:11:29 am
North Park has a shot at a Pool C berth.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on November 06, 2011, 01:16:18 am
North Park has a shot at a Pool C berth.

That's great to hear, Jim. I was skeptical because of their poor performances as of late, and I didn't what to get my hopes up. With Calvin being knocked out and similar situations, what would you gage Park's chances of receiving the nod?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: petemcb on November 06, 2011, 08:35:49 am
Yellow card and a warning to both blue_jays and sock heir.  Now play on.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on November 06, 2011, 09:04:07 am
I don't know if the Park's chances are high, but as the third ranked team in the Central, and now the #1/#2 ranked Pool C team in the Central, it seems likely that they would be a strong candidate for the committee.

But the Pool C selection is compared on a national basis, and with Vassar winning the Liberty League, you have added St. Lawrence to Pool C; Vassar was never going to be a strong consideration, so there is one spot. Ohio Wesleyan falling to DePauw isn't that bad as DePauw would have been considered. Centre taking down Trinity is a negative as Centre is like Vassar in regards to Pool C consideration.

But you have to ask yourself, how many better Pool C teams are out there? Rank it by the NCAA regionals, and I think you will see a possible and probably chance of North Park seeing the post-season.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on November 07, 2011, 01:22:11 pm
North Park is in.

Luther will host and will face North Park, while St. Olaf plays Carroll. Luther was a Pool C as is North Park. St. Olaf won the MIAC and Carroll took the Midwest Conference.

It is the Norwegians versus the Swedes in an epic battle to establish once and for all that age old question...oh, wait...that was already solved in the winter olympics  ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on November 07, 2011, 02:56:43 pm
Good to see 2 CCIW teams make the tourney again.  Though it hurts me to say it, it's a pity that Wheaton or Elmhurst couldn't bring that number up to 3.
NPU will face a tough Luther team that split 2 matches with Loras this year--at Luther's place to boot. The Vikings have a tough row to hoe.  Perhaps someone can explain to me how Luther got the honor of hosting when St Olaf was an AQ and has beaten Luther this season. 
Carthage draws Calvin.  Having watched the Calvin vs Hope matchup at Hope earlier this fall, I wasn't terribly impressed with either side.  The infamous physicality of the past was seemingly gone and the match was a snoozer until the last 10 minutes of the game.  For my money (having never seen Carthage play this year), Carthage can win this one.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on November 07, 2011, 03:06:55 pm
The St. Olaf/Carroll/Luther/NPU bracket is pretty wide open.  No team is very dominant.  If NPU regains a bit of there mid/early season form they can make it out of this group. 

Luther is a very defensive team and will hope to win a low scoring affair.  St. Olaf has some nice results this season but also some ugly results.  The Oles will give up goals, it is just a matter of being able to counter attack and score on their chances.  I know nothing of Carroll, but, the MWC rarely makes any noise in the NCAA tournament so I expect them to be the weakest team of the group. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: FR_Sam on November 07, 2011, 04:56:22 pm
St. Olaf must not have put in to host.  You do have to complete an application and submit it by a deadline.  That is the only logical explanation for Luther hosting over STO.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on November 07, 2011, 09:21:26 pm
I agree with FRSam.

This might call for a trip to little Norway!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on November 09, 2011, 02:08:49 pm
anyone know of any tournament pick-em sites?  i'm surprised i haven't seen any mention of anyone collecting bracket picks by tomorrow.  anyone care to take that on?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on November 09, 2011, 05:00:31 pm
OT:  In the preview of the Colbie Calliat concert at NCC, the writer encouraged people to go because the performer is trendy.  The author advised people to reconsider their attendance if they were "a North Central rival/hater from North Park University."  Huh?

BTW - tix were $75-100 for this artist I've never even heard of.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 09, 2011, 05:28:15 pm
North Park is in.

Luther will host and will face North Park, while St. Olaf plays Carroll. Luther was a Pool C as is North Park. St. Olaf won the MIAC and Carroll took the Midwest Conference.

It is the Norwegians versus the Swedes in an epic battle to establish once and for all that age old question...oh, wait...that was already solved in the winter olympics  ;)

Jim, Luther may have the Norwegian nickname and heritage, but take a look at the rosters of the two respective sides. NPU has two Norwegians, Siggy Pryser and Markus Fodstad. Luther has only one, Robert Vangen. Therefore, NPU out-Norsks Luther, 2 to 1.

The rest of Luther's foreign contingent consists of a Ugandan (Dickson Kwatampora) and a Ghanian (Muluken Taye).

It's not Sweden versus Norway; it's Scandinavia versus Africa. ;)

OT:  In the review of the Colbie Calliat concert at NCC, the writer encouraged people to go because the performer is trendy.  The author advised people to reconsider their attendance if they were "a North Central rival/hater from North Park University."  Huh?

BTW - tix were $75-100 for this artist I've never even heard of.

Pretty girl. But I'm sure that, it being Naperville and all, they'd much rather have Pat Benatar. ;)

Who knows why the Tribune's A&E writer put in that bit about NPU. It's bizarre. North Central isn't a school that anyone at NPU considers to be a rival, except in the general they're-in-our-conference sort of sense of the word "rival". And I'm pretty sure that NCC folks feel the same way about NPU. My guess is that the writer just pulled another random CCIW school out of the air and used it to put some (not-very-good) topical humor into what was otherwise a humdrum college concert announcement.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 10, 2011, 12:19:31 am
Um, Greg, I doubt it was random.  2 days after the concert NCC faces a do-or-die showdown against NPU in football! ;D

Well, OK, it was totally stupid, but it (probably) wasn't random. :P
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 10, 2011, 12:07:42 pm
I seriously doubt that the copywriter in the Tribune's Arts & Entertainment section went to the trouble of looking up North Central's next football opponent on the NCC athletics webpage just for some fodder for a dumb one-off joke. I'm convinced that the NPU reference is totally random.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: soc4life on November 12, 2011, 09:27:12 pm
North Park down 2-0 at the half in Iowa.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: petemcb on November 12, 2011, 09:38:27 pm
And North Park's roller coaster ride continues this season...... ::)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: petemcb on November 12, 2011, 09:46:42 pm
3-0.  Who woulda guessed?  NPU's talent seems to be fine  -  their heads/emotions, not so much.  What a disappointment!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: petemcb on November 12, 2011, 09:55:33 pm
I only started watching this game at halftime and, with no half-time show/commentary by the announcers, had no idea how the first half had gone for NPU  -  other than the 2 - 0 halftime score.  With 28 minutes to go in the game, the announcer just called NPU's first shot of the game!  What has happened to the offensive juggernaut that amazed me in the first half of the season?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: petemcb on November 12, 2011, 10:07:55 pm
4-0.  I can't figure out if my computer is buffering or has NPU's offense gone that stagnant?  ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on November 12, 2011, 11:28:12 pm
That really is a shocker. But there were a few of those around the country today. Odd day in soccer.

The CCIW didn't show up well in this year's post-season.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: The Sock Heir on November 13, 2011, 02:02:18 am
Shocker all around. Only I can attribute this to a 3 week trend of declining team chemistry. So disappointed. Credit to Luther all around. Congrats to NP for a great regular season.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on November 13, 2011, 07:46:51 am
Luther - St. Olaf should be a great game. St. Olaf won an early season match 1-0, but,
Luther is one of the more under rated teams this year. They keep showing game after game that they have a great defense, now if their offense starts clicking, watch out.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on November 13, 2011, 09:25:43 am
Where was Petterson for this one?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on November 13, 2011, 04:19:20 pm
Was there a team chemistry issue on the North Park squad?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Christan Shirk on December 17, 2011, 03:24:36 pm
I noticed that Tim Griffin from Ill. Wesleyan was named 3rd Team All-Central Region despite not having made either the 1st or 2nd team All-CCIW.  Nine total forwards were honored on the 1st and 2nd All-CCIW teams, Griffin not among them, but regionally only Golz (Wheaton) was higher being on the All-Central 1st team, and Sterner (Elmhurst) was even being on the All-Central 3rd team with Griffin.  Seems rather odd.  More so, seeing he only tallied 3 goals and 1 assist.  Any insight?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: matblake on March 06, 2012, 01:00:57 pm
Drew Golz gets postgraduate scholarship.  Congrats!

http://athletics.wheaton.edu/news/2012/3/5/MSOC_Postgrad.aspx?path=msoccer
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCF on March 07, 2012, 08:05:09 am
Drew Golz gets postgraduate scholarship.  Congrats!

http://athletics.wheaton.edu/news/2012/3/5/MSOC_Postgrad.aspx?path=msoccer

That is a nice scholarship.Congrats to him on his achievement!!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: matblake on May 02, 2012, 12:32:00 pm
Wheaton posts their new recruits (http://athletics.wheaton.edu/news/2012/5/1/MSOC_0501123014.aspx?path=msoccer).
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on May 04, 2012, 12:48:57 am
Looks like another top notch recruiting yr for wheaton, as good as the class of 2014. But they didn't do jack squat with such talent. What's their problem? How many yrs has it been since wheaton made any noise in the ncaas? You need a soccer guy, imho.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on May 08, 2012, 03:23:14 pm
Calvin has announced a new men's soccer coach (someone familiar to the CCIW):

http://www.calvin.edu/sports/news/comments/ryan-souders-named-calvin-mens-soccer-coach/

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on June 28, 2012, 09:24:54 am
North Park's schedule is now online:  http://athletics.northpark.edu/schedule.aspx?path=msoc&tab=soccer

Tough schedule - which is good.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on July 08, 2012, 10:25:30 pm
I heard that Wheaton has a great recruit class coming in! Does anyone have more specifics.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on July 09, 2012, 08:08:51 am
I heard that Wheaton has a great recruit class coming in! Does anyone have more specifics.

http://athletics.wheaton.edu/news/2012/5/1/MSOC_0501123014.aspx
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on July 17, 2012, 05:26:04 pm
Yikes, that is a pretty amazing recruiting class! I know Marshall Hollingsworth and he is tremendous!! What a group!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on July 17, 2012, 07:33:54 pm
Yikes, that is a pretty amazing recruiting class! I know Marshall Hollingsworth and he is tremendous!! What a group!

Heck that what i thought about the class of 2014. Boy did they turn out to be a dud.We'll see how this one does.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on July 19, 2012, 01:14:00 pm
Stephen Fernandez is the defender from Luther who went to Wheaton. He was an all-stater from Wheaton Academy in high school.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 02, 2012, 01:26:05 pm
The CCIW preseason poll is out: (http://www.cciw.org/news/2012/8/1/MS_0801120604.aspx)

T1.  Carthage  43  (3)
T1.  North Park  43  (3)
  3.  Wheaton  40  (2)
  4.  Illinois Wesleyan  30
  5.  Elmhurst  26
  6.  Augustana  18
  7.  North Central  17
  8.  Millikin    7
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCF on August 02, 2012, 02:37:46 pm
The CCIW preseason poll is out: (http://www.cciw.org/news/2012/8/1/MS_0801120604.aspx)

T1.  Carthage  43  (3)
T1.  North Park  43  (3)
  3.  Wheaton  40  (2)
  4.  Illinois Wesleyan  30
  5.  Elmhurst  26
  6.  Augustana  18
  7.  North Central  17
  8.  Millikin    7
  When does North Park play Carthage? Wheaton?    Those should be games worrth watching!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 02, 2012, 02:58:36 pm
Wheaton @ NPU, Sept. 29, 7 pm
Wheaton @ Carthage, Oct. 3, 7:30 pm
Carthage @ NPU, Oct. 20, 7:30 pm
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCF on August 02, 2012, 09:47:56 pm
Wheaton @ NPU, Sept. 29, 7 pm
Wheaton @ Carthage, Oct. 3, 7:30 pm
Carthage @ NPU, Oct. 20, 7:30 pm
Thanks! Just checked the nc website and see that the cardinals are near the bottom.:(
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 20, 2012, 08:34:18 pm
http://athletics.northpark.edu/roster.aspx?path=msoc&tab=soccer

North Park's roster has been updated.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 20, 2012, 11:48:36 pm
While I'm disappointed that Sigurd Pryser didn't return, it's good to see that his predecessor at winger, Mike Herbst, has returned to the Park after spending last year back home in Sweden.

With five All-CCIW players back, NPU looks primed for another successful season.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 21, 2012, 10:40:33 am
While I'm disappointed that Sigurd Pryser didn't return, it's good to see that his predecessor at winger, Mike Herbst, has returned to the Park after spending last year back home in Sweden.

With five All-CCIW players back, NPU looks primed for another successful season.

It will be interesting to see if there are any standouts from this year's new Swedish contingent.  I know one of the Chicago-area newbies had a tryout earlier this year with West Ham United of the EPL.

Glad to see Jonas return - had doubts he would.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 21, 2012, 12:29:06 pm
While I'm disappointed that Sigurd Pryser didn't return, it's good to see that his predecessor at winger, Mike Herbst, has returned to the Park after spending last year back home in Sweden.

With five All-CCIW players back, NPU looks primed for another successful season.

It will be interesting to see if there are any standouts from this year's new Swedish contingent.  I know one of the Chicago-area newbies had a tryout earlier this year with West Ham United of the EPL.

I don't know which of the new Swedes is the Kris Grahn recruit that John Born told me about, but I know that Kris is really high on him.

Glad to see Jonas return - had doubts he would.

I was surprised to see him return, too. But as long as Jonas has left last season's diva attitude behind him, I'm certainly glad to see him back, because he's a scary-good striker. I would imagine that John Born has told him that he's on a short leash, behavior-wise.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 24, 2012, 10:31:14 am
While I'm disappointed that Sigurd Pryser didn't return, it's good to see that his predecessor at winger, Mike Herbst, has returned to the Park after spending last year back home in Sweden.

With five All-CCIW players back, NPU looks primed for another successful season.

It will be interesting to see if there are any standouts from this year's new Swedish contingent.  I know one of the Chicago-area newbies had a tryout earlier this year with West Ham United of the EPL.

I don't know which of the new Swedes is the Kris Grahn recruit that John Born told me about, but I know that Kris is really high on him.

Glad to see Jonas return - had doubts he would.

I was surprised to see him return, too. But as long as Jonas has left last season's diva attitude behind him, I'm certainly glad to see him back, because he's a scary-good striker. I would imagine that John Born has told him that he's on a short leash, behavior-wise.

Its pretty common for really good forwards to be known as a diva.  Purely from a fans perspective, I am fine with that if he keeps scoring.  I will be interested to see if John changes formation and adds a second pure striker up top.  Seems like there is a lot of attacking talent this year.

Looking forward to the season starting in just a little more than a week's time.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 28, 2012, 11:28:16 am
NP season preview - but quite frankly - not a whole lot said:  http://athletics.northpark.edu/news/2012/8/27/MSOC_0827125106.aspx?path=msoc
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 28, 2012, 01:15:45 pm
On Saturday afternoon I watched NPU's annual scrimmage with the alumni. It was not a pretty sight, as the team is still pretty ragged and not on the same page with regard to passing and positioning. It'll come, though ... I'm sure of it. The other problem was that this was no longer the alumni aggregation of previous years, in which any old Viking that John Born could scrape up would take the field against the varsity. Most of the NPU alumni who played on Saturday had been Vikings themselves within the last four years -- the exceptions included veterans like Adam Sinovic, who is certainly never a detriment to any side he suits up for -- and the alumni team included Kris Grahn, Ryan McNaughton, and Erik Kinhammar from last year's starting lineup. In other words, the alumni certainly pushed the varsity.

The varsity finally got it going in the second half, as Mike Herbst broke down a defender on a breakaway and scored an unassisted goal from the left wing, and then Robin Hals and Freddie Greiff worked a great two-man game up the right sideline, Greiff scoring on the Hals assist, as the varsity won, 2-0.

NPU opens the season on Friday afternoon at Concordia (IL).
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on August 31, 2012, 11:05:20 pm
Looks like NPU took care of business at Concordia tonight: 3-1
http://www.sidearmstats.com/cuchicago/msoc/xlive.htm

Glad Lindmark is back running up the assists.  Anyone know why Ahlberg wasn't in goal? 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 31, 2012, 11:24:50 pm
Looks like NPU took care of business at Concordia tonight: 3-1
http://www.sidearmstats.com/cuchicago/msoc/xlive.htm

Glad Lindmark is back running up the assists.  Anyone know why Ahlberg wasn't in goal?

It looks like the GKs split halves.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 01, 2012, 02:06:37 pm
Ahlberg's had some tendonitis issues in one of his knees, and with a not-particularly-good opponent on the menu John Born decided to split the keeper duties between Ahlberg and Alex Adielsson.

As expected, almost the entire game was spent in Concordia's end. The talent disparity between NPU and Concordia was about as lopsided as it's ever been. NPU still really isn't in sync yet, but there were still a plethora of close-in chances that the Vikings had, although they only converted on three of them. NPU used 25 players in the game, so Coach Born subbed freely and often.

The Vikings are going to have to step it up a notch or two when they visit Dominican tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 02, 2012, 05:19:01 pm
NPU lost to Dominican 1-0, with 20 seconds left in the 2nd OT.  Game was pretty evenly played.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on September 02, 2012, 06:33:59 pm
Was it that even?  It sure looked like the Vikings had a lot of chances... 16 shots, 6 on goal.  Were they legit chances or no?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 03, 2012, 05:44:59 pm
Was it that even?  It sure looked like the Vikings had a lot of chances... 16 shots, 6 on goal.  Were they legit chances or no?

In terms of real chances, I would say they were pretty even.  Dominican had claims to a penalty kick for handball (I can't believe it wasn't called) and NPU hit the post off a header from a corner.

Fair result, not that there is such a thing, would have been 0-0.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 05, 2012, 09:42:49 am
Was it that even?  It sure looked like the Vikings had a lot of chances... 16 shots, 6 on goal.  Were they legit chances or no?

In terms of real chances, I would say they were pretty even.  Dominican had claims to a penalty kick for handball (I can't believe it wasn't called) and NPU hit the post off a header from a corner.

Fair result, not that there is such a thing, would have been 0-0.

I should also mention that I was really impressed by what I saw out of North Park.  It will take some time to develop chemistry in the final 3rd, but I think they will be better than last year's team.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on September 06, 2012, 04:47:52 pm
Should be an exciting weekend coming up for CCIW play.  Tough matchups for Wheaton and NP tomorrow with PLU and Gustavus.  The Gusties seem to score at will (especially that All American sophomore of theirs!)--it'll be a good test for the Vikings.

For some reason, it looks like all of the Scandinavian-loving schools are on the CCIW schedule in the coming week: GA, St Olaf, Lawrence, PLU.  Maybe that shouldn't be surprising for a conference with two teams named the Vikings. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on September 06, 2012, 05:25:34 pm
`Though lacking the credibility of the d3soccer.com poll, it is noteworthy that the latest www.nscaa.com poll ranks Wheaton women at #4 and Augustana at #19.  Wheaton men are #7.

Wheaton's men brought in a great recruiting class, plus a couple of very solid transfers.  The freshman class includes two of Illinois' top three high school seniors from last year.  The team is in Spokane, Washington this weekend to play Pacific Lutheran and Whitworth. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 06, 2012, 10:37:02 pm
Was it that even?  It sure looked like the Vikings had a lot of chances... 16 shots, 6 on goal.  Were they legit chances or no?

In terms of real chances, I would say they were pretty even.  Dominican had claims to a penalty kick for handball (I can't believe it wasn't called) and NPU hit the post off a header from a corner.

Fair result, not that there is such a thing, would have been 0-0.

NPU dominated play. The Vikings were the more talented team. But I'd agree with the statement that the Vikings didn't have a ton of real scoring chances, even though the ball was kept in DU's half of the field for most of the game. The Vikes had more good chances than the Stars had, but it wasn't as though they were peppering the DU keeper with shots on goal the whole afternoon. DU's back line is just really, really solid, and, as Gotberg said, the NPU forwards are still in the process of gelling as a unit.

It was a disappointing loss in the sense that NPU is good enough for the Vikings to have an expectation of winning whenever they take the field in the regular season, and also in the sense that losing off of a long throw-in with only 24 seconds left on the clock in double overtime is a crushing feeling. But those are good disappointments, if there is such a thing. It's the disappointment of reasonably heightened expectations.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 07, 2012, 11:50:14 am
Are the NPU games going to be broadcast on the internet this year?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 07, 2012, 04:28:30 pm
Yes, as far as I know. Just home games, as has been the case the past few seasons.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 07, 2012, 05:51:34 pm
Yes, as far as I know. Just home games, as has been the case the past few seasons.

Thanks.   The video link was not active on the np athletic site when I posted earlier, but now is available.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on September 07, 2012, 09:15:01 pm
I can't get the video.  Anyone else experiencing "technical difficulties"?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on September 07, 2012, 09:48:48 pm
Yeah, I've gotten 1 or 2 seconds to play and that's about it.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on September 07, 2012, 10:07:56 pm
Game update, anyone?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on September 07, 2012, 10:19:47 pm
0-0 with 15 to play.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on September 07, 2012, 11:31:14 pm
I see from GA's website that they beat NP 1-0 in 2 OT.  That faulty video feed sure was frustrating.  It worked just enough to make me keep trying.  Looking forward to hearing about the game.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 08, 2012, 08:46:49 am
I see from GA's website that they beat NP 1-0 in 2 OT.  That faulty video feed sure was frustrating.  It worked just enough to make me keep trying.  Looking forward to hearing about the game.

Game statistics show that NPU had 23 shots to GA's 4.  I think that shots and shots on goal statistics in soccer can be very misleading, but that is a large disparity.  According to the NP story, it was an own-goal that did NP in....
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: gustiefan04 on September 08, 2012, 10:23:36 am
Was at the GAC @ NPU game last night. While I don't think NPU really had 24 shot ( what is considered a shot is quite subjective), they definitely had the better of the run of play and had probably 8 to 10 very dangerous scoring chances. North Park was big and fast and Swedish...very Swedish! 9 of the starting 11. Quite the hostile environment for visiting teams as well. Solid fanbase at NPU.

I wouldn't consider the goal an own goal either. Lilly struck it well and it took a nasty deflection off The center back and carried into the goal. overall a surprising but very good result for Gustavus.

GAC has a very young team, mostly freshman and sophomores on the field last night. NPU players all looked like they were in the 20's and far more developed physically.

I also thought the officiating was below average tonight. He made several calls or no calls in both directions that didn't make sense.

Definitely a tough break for NPU. Soccer is a cruel game sometimes. But GAC was opportunistic and did a nice job considering the 6+ hour drive to Chicago.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 10, 2012, 07:41:48 pm
NPU has certainly had an agonizing start to the season. Following a perfunctory 3-1 win over weak Concordia (IL), the Vikings lost two double-overtime contests to quality sides that everyone connected to NPU soccer felt should have been wins: A loss at Dominican with 24 seconds left in the second OT after the Vikes had clearly controlled play, and then a loss to Gustavus on an own-goal that bounced off of NPU's most experienced defender when there wasn't a Gustie within fifteen feet of him. All because the Vikings were suffering a catastrophic drought on offense. I had described the team to someone this weekend as being like unpainted furniture: Looks great, no finish.

That's why yesterday's 2-0 win over a fairly decent Carroll team brought about such a huge exhale of relief. The Vikings are continuing to have their way in the midfield and spend most of the game possessing the ball, but they're finally finding the back of the net. Tomorrow afternoon's contest at Concordia (WI) is another opportunity for the Vikings to continue refining their synchronization in the front third.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on September 10, 2012, 09:09:07 pm
NPU has certainly had an agonizing start to the season. Following a perfunctory 3-1 win over weak Concordia (IL), the Vikings lost two double-overtime contests to quality sides that everyone connected to NPU soccer felt should have been wins: A loss at Dominican with 24 seconds left in the second OT after the Vikes had clearly controlled play, and then a loss to Gustavus on an own-goal that bounced off of NPU's most experienced defender when there wasn't a Gustie within fifteen feet of him. All because the Vikings were suffering a catastrophic drought on offense. I had described the team to someone this weekend as being like unpainted furniture: Looks great, no finish.

That's why yesterday's 2-0 win over a fairly decent Carroll team brought about such a huge exhale of relief. The Vikings are continuing to have their way in the midfield and spend most of the game possessing the ball, but they're finally finding the back of the net. Tomorrow afternoon's contest at Concordia (WI) is another opportunity for the Vikings to continue refining their synchronization in the front third.

Decent Carroll lost to lowly elmhurst 2-0 (that coach still screams every 5 seconds like he used to when coaching little kids at downers grove. calm down dude), and lost to Dubuque 5-0. I think npu needs september to get its starters to gel together and will show how good they can be in oct and nov. Jonas is still an a** though.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 10, 2012, 10:17:00 pm
NPU has certainly had an agonizing start to the season. Following a perfunctory 3-1 win over weak Concordia (IL), the Vikings lost two double-overtime contests to quality sides that everyone connected to NPU soccer felt should have been wins: A loss at Dominican with 24 seconds left in the second OT after the Vikes had clearly controlled play, and then a loss to Gustavus on an own-goal that bounced off of NPU's most experienced defender when there wasn't a Gustie within fifteen feet of him. All because the Vikings were suffering a catastrophic drought on offense. I had described the team to someone this weekend as being like unpainted furniture: Looks great, no finish.

That's why yesterday's 2-0 win over a fairly decent Carroll team brought about such a huge exhale of relief. The Vikings are continuing to have their way in the midfield and spend most of the game possessing the ball, but they're finally finding the back of the net. Tomorrow afternoon's contest at Concordia (WI) is another opportunity for the Vikings to continue refining their synchronization in the front third.

Decent Carroll lost to lowly elmhurst 2-0 (that coach still screams every 5 seconds like he used to when coaching little kids at downers grove. calm down dude), and lost to Dubuque 5-0. I think npu needs september to get its starters to gel together and will show how good they can be in oct and nov. Jonas is still an a** though.

Well, that's what I get for not checking Carroll's results to date and for simply assuming that having made the D3 tourney the past two seasons and four out of the last five was an imprimatur of the Pioneers' competence. My apologies.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on September 15, 2012, 12:04:52 pm
Wheaton downs Calvin and Carthage knocks off Hope.  Wow.  Big night for CCIW.
Anyone see either game?  I simply saw scores and haven't looked at stats yet.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on September 15, 2012, 07:01:40 pm
Wheaton is FAST!!!! They are very quick and very organized. The way they played last night it would take a VERY good team to beat them. Calvin is a good side and has some weapons of their own, but they couldn't content with the team quickness and speed of Wheaton.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 15, 2012, 09:32:05 pm
Not to pooh-pooh Wheaton's win or anything, but it came right on the heels (by 48 hours) of this grand debacle suffered by Calvin at the hands of Olivet. (http://www.d3soccer.com/notables/2012/09/Olivet_comeback) Makes you wonder if the Knights (2-3) were suffering from some sort of an emotional hangover after what must've been an absolute catastrophe of a defeat.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on September 29, 2012, 10:22:05 am
ahem...
Sorry to break the vow of silence here.  Any predictions for the always exciting NP-Wheaton matchup tonight?  Not sure that home field advantage means anything for NP--they seem to get up for games @ Joe Bean.  I wish I could predict an offensive outpouring for the Vikings--nothing would make me happier--but I'm not holding my breath on that.  They don't seem to be able to put more than one in the net per half, especially against a good side like Wheaton. 

In fine NP fashion, I'm wagering the contest will be decided in overtime.  But this time the Swedes take home the win 3-2. 
On another note, what's up with Olivet?  I know this is the wrong board for that but has anyone seen them play?  Are they for real?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on September 29, 2012, 09:48:34 pm
I'm guessing 1-0 NP.

I was wondering the same thing about Olivet, seems bizarre.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on September 29, 2012, 11:19:29 pm
Wow was I off.  3-3 in 2OT
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Saldner F.F. on September 30, 2012, 12:28:21 am
North Park - Wheaton was a game that I will never forget! It was an emotional roller coaster with all the ingredients you can expect to see in a game like this. Jonas scores with 30 seconds left and the Fosters Finest in the stands goes crazy - definitely one of the better moments I have experienced at North Park. It was great to see NP score three goals and come back to tie the game twice. The 2-2 game against, University of Chicago was a moral victory (playing with 10 men for a long time), but tonight NP really showed great fighting spirit and that they will never give up. Wheaton played also played well, even though their first goal was a little controversial.

The North Park student section (Foster's Finest) was amazing tonight, don't think you will find such committed soccer supporters elsewhere in d3 soccer. I hope that NP and Wheaton will play again in the playoffs!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on September 30, 2012, 06:10:38 am
Good grief, that's a big flag!
Can someone tell me about the rules for shootouts?  None of NP's 2OT games have gone to PKs following a draw.  Would this only happen in tournament play?  Is this rule consistent across all of D3?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 30, 2012, 03:07:35 pm
Yes, in regular-season play any tie after the second overtime results in a draw.

Last night really upped the ante on the NPU/Wheaton rivalry. The attendance was listed at 2,902, which is pretty near capacity for Hedstrand Field. (A lot of D3 soccer programs would love to get 2,902 fans for the entire season.) Wheaton had a very sizeable following present as well, with students, parents, and alumni represented. As for Foster's Finest ... they were berserk last night. I wish that they would turn up in such numbers and with such volume and creativity for every game, rather than saving it all up for when the archrivals come to town. They provided a big boost for the Vikings last night, never flagging even when NPU went down in the second half, 2-0.

It was a pretty even match. The shot totals were very close. NPU was more physical, but Wheaton dished out its fair share of blocks, grabs, and elbows as well. I thought that NPU looked slightly better in the midfield, but Wheaton made more out of its rushes, dominating in the corners and forcing the Vikings into several hard-pressed errors that led to corner kicks and close-in free kicks from the angle. Wheaton scored all three of its goals off of such set plays. NPU got all of its goals out of open play, and in large part it was due to John Born rolling the dice with his team trailing by thinning out his back line in order to put more bodies up top.

When Pettersson scored with thirty seconds left in regulation to tie the game, it got as loud as I've ever heard it at the Holmgren Athletic Complex. The official scorer and I were shouting at each other in the press box over the noise of the crowd so that we could establish who got the assist, and we weren't sitting more than eight feet away from each other. It was absolute bedlam in the stadium.

I wasn't sure about whether or not this NPU team had any heart, considering the erratic start to the season suffered by the Vikings and their tendency to lose their grip in key moments. But I'm not doubting it after last night. To come back on a team with Wheaton's ability the way that the Vikes did shows me that NPU has plenty of heart. I'm hoping that last night was a turning point in terms of their focus and their intensity.

Wheaton gets credit for going into the most hostile stadium in which the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance will ever have to play and coming out with a draw. NPU gets credit for coming back from a 2-0 deficit in the final 13 minutes of regulation (and a 3-2 deficit in the final minute) to earn the draw. Both sides played a high-powered, physical, and skillful game with just a small mistake here or there that opened up things for the opposition. It was quite a memorable evening, with a European-style vibe in the stands that really highlighted what an intense rivalry NPU vs. WC has become over the past decade.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCF on October 01, 2012, 08:20:00 am
North Central men dropped a 2-1 decision to IWU to go to 7-3. The women also lost to IWU (4-1) to drop their conference opener and go 3-6 on the season.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 02, 2012, 03:30:48 pm
Yes, in regular-season play any tie after the second overtime results in a draw.

Last night really upped the ante on the NPU/Wheaton rivalry. The attendance was listed at 2,902, which is pretty near capacity for Hedstrand Field. (A lot of D3 soccer programs would love to get 2,902 fans for the entire season.) Wheaton had a very sizeable following present as well, with students, parents, and alumni represented. As for Foster's Finest ... they were berserk last night. I wish that they would turn up in such numbers and with such volume and creativity for every game, rather than saving it all up for when the archrivals come to town. They provided a big boost for the Vikings last night, never flagging even when NPU went down in the second half, 2-0.

It was a pretty even match. The shot totals were very close. NPU was more physical, but Wheaton dished out its fair share of blocks, grabs, and elbows as well. I thought that NPU looked slightly better in the midfield, but Wheaton made more out of its rushes, dominating in the corners and forcing the Vikings into several hard-pressed errors that led to corner kicks and close-in free kicks from the angle. Wheaton scored all three of its goals off of such set plays. NPU got all of its goals out of open play, and in large part it was due to John Born rolling the dice with his team trailing by thinning out his back line in order to put more bodies up top.

When Pettersson scored with thirty seconds left in regulation to tie the game, it got as loud as I've ever heard it at the Holmgren Athletic Complex. The official scorer and I were shouting at each other in the press box over the noise of the crowd so that we could establish who got the assist, and we weren't sitting more than eight feet away from each other. It was absolute bedlam in the stadium.

I wasn't sure about whether or not this NPU team had any heart, considering the erratic start to the season suffered by the Vikings and their tendency to lose their grip in key moments. But I'm not doubting it after last night. To come back on a team with Wheaton's ability the way that the Vikes did shows me that NPU has plenty of heart. I'm hoping that last night was a turning point in terms of their focus and their intensity.

Wheaton gets credit for going into the most hostile stadium in which the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance will ever have to play and coming out with a draw. NPU gets credit for coming back from a 2-0 deficit in the final 13 minutes of regulation (and a 3-2 deficit in the final minute) to earn the draw. Both sides played a high-powered, physical, and skillful game with just a small mistake here or there that opened up things for the opposition. It was quite a memorable evening, with a European-style vibe in the stands that really highlighted what an intense rivalry NPU vs. WC has become over the past decade.

I wish I had been able to see the game, but I had another commitment earlier that evening and I wasn't able to drive in on time.  I listened to part of the game on the radio (thanks Wheaton!), but turned it off after NPU was down 2-0.  I couldn't believe it the next morning when I saw the final score was 3-3.

Are IWU and Carthage for real?  Or are they just playing easier competition...?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 03, 2012, 02:48:43 pm
North Park defeated Dubuque last night, scoring 4 goals in the final 20 minutes.  That is 2 consecutive games with several goals scored towards the end of the game.

I hope they can figure out what they are doing differently at the end of games, and keep that approach throughout an entire 90 minutes.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCF on October 04, 2012, 10:43:30 am
North Central picked up their first win over Elmhurst since 2004, by a score of 3-0.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Saldner F.F. on October 06, 2012, 02:05:09 pm
I can't get the Augustana - North Park stream to work? Anyone else having the same problem or ideas how to fix it?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 06, 2012, 07:27:27 pm
NPU ties Augie in Rock Island. That's a very bad draw for the Park, one of those draws that feels like a loss. NPU is gonna have to really step it up now.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 06, 2012, 11:19:58 pm
Of course they tied.  Neutrality is a Swedish virtue.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 10, 2012, 08:56:49 pm
$8 to watch the NP v UW-O game!  That's absurd!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 10, 2012, 11:41:42 pm
$8 to watch the NP v UW-O game!  That's absurd!

NPU won, so I would've ended up happy if I had bit the bullet and paid the money to watch, but I had a meeting at church tonight.

Jakob Aronsson got both NPU goals, presumably off of corners. Nice to see someone stepping up in the James Kriticos role for the Vikings. And it's especially nice to see Aronsson playing entire games now, as he's been plagued by a badly-sprained ankle for weeks now. Aronsson's a great defender, and he's missed when he's not on the pitch for NPU.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCF on October 11, 2012, 07:59:25 am
North Central lost in double OT to Wheaton last night by a 4-3 score. They are now 1-2 in CCIW play.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCF on October 14, 2012, 08:10:11 am
North Central dropped a 2-1 decision to Carthage yesterday at B-W stadium last night
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on October 17, 2012, 04:22:09 pm
Not a real lively board this year.  Illinois Wesleyan's game with Beloit is cancelled tonight - Beloit lost a game to weather last weekend so they had to reschedule that game (conference game) for tonight.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCF on October 18, 2012, 09:07:10 am
North Central's men defeated Carthage 2-1, to improve their season record to 9-6, 2-3 in CCIW play.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 18, 2012, 02:27:39 pm
North Central's men defeated Carthage Millikin 2-1, to improve their season record to 9-6, 2-3 in CCIW play.

FTFY.

Elmhurst @ NPU, which was postponed last night because of the thunderstorm, will be played tonight at 7:30 pm. AFAIK, it should be webcasted as usual.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCF on October 18, 2012, 02:33:56 pm
North Central's men defeated Carthage Millikin 2-1, to improve their season record to 9-6, 2-3 in CCIW play.

FTFY.

Elmhurst @ NPU, which was postponed last night because of the thunderstorm, will be played tonight at 7:30 pm. AFAIK, it should be webcasted as usual.

Ooops! Was looking at the Carthage website to check on a some former students of mine who play at Carthage, my bad.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 18, 2012, 02:38:47 pm
Current NCAA Central Region rankings:

1   Dominican   11-1-1   11-1-1
2   Wheaton (Ill.)   10-3-2   10-3-2
3   Illinois Wesleyan   11-2-0   11-2-0
4   Calvin   10-3-0   10-3-0
5   North Park     7-2-4     7-2-4
6   Olivet   11-1-1   13-1-1
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 19, 2012, 09:37:28 am
Caught the second half of last night's NP v. Elm game.  NP sure moves the ball well and their finishing last night was outstanding.

The team doesn't have any obvious position holes and with so many new players (or previous players in new positions), perhaps they are starting to gel as a unit.  I still think they'll struggle where games focus on physicality and not technical skills.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 19, 2012, 06:50:13 pm
Elmhurst's game is all about physicality, as we know. The Bluejays threw NPU off its game early with the rough stuff, but, to their credit, the Vikings eventually put retaliation out of their minds and simply got down to playing soccer. I think that last night was a lesson well learned for them; when they focus upon the task at hand and stop worrying about the pushing, shoving, and grabbing, they're a pretty good soccer team.

I agree that NPU is starting to gel as a unit. I only hope that it's not too late; the desultory and fragmented play of the Vikings early in the season dented their record enough so that they're playing catch-up in the region, and the draw with distinctly inferior Augie is really hurting NPU in the CCIW race as well.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on October 21, 2012, 08:37:32 pm
Any report from the NP-Carthage game?  Looks like there were 9 yellow cards, including a duet for Damberg that left NP a man down.  And 3 of those yellows came at the same time (38:55) according to the box score.  What in the world was going on?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: dennis_prikkel on October 21, 2012, 09:49:28 pm
Any report from the NP-Carthage game?  Looks like there were 9 yellow cards, including a duet for Damberg that left NP a man down.  And 3 of those yellows came at the same time (38:55) according to the box score.  What in the world was going on?

there were fouls galore - npu had a two goal lead the carthage cut to one and nearly got the tying goal, but a very late shot in the crossbar.

excellent, exciting call of the game on the north park video - though the student did say "North Park University" about 50 times in the final two minutes.  he was a little excited.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 21, 2012, 10:33:33 pm
Any report from the NP-Carthage game?  Looks like there were 9 yellow cards, including a duet for Damberg that left NP a man down.  And 3 of those yellows came at the same time (38:55) according to the box score.  What in the world was going on?

there were fouls galore - npu had a two goal lead the carthage cut to one and nearly got the tying goal, but a very late shot in the crossbar.

excellent, exciting call of the game on the north park video - though the student did say "North Park University" about 50 times in the final two minutes.  he was a little excited.

He's not a student. NPU soccer webcaster Marcos Craft is an NPU alumnus and former Vikings soccer player.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 21, 2012, 11:02:45 pm
NPU just doesn't seem to be able to do things the easy way. After spotting an early goal to a Carthage side that clearly was playing with a sense of desperation, the Vikings finally were able to counter with a Robin Hals goal late in the first half after he'd intercepted an unsuccessful Red Men attempt at a clear from deep in their end.

The second half started auspiciously, when Filip Lindmark headed in a corner kick from Mike Herbst in the first minute. The problem was the ref, who was completely out of control. He was one of those officials you sometimes see in various sports who is both drunk with power and thin-skinned to the point of neurosis. He'd pull out a yellow card on you last night if you even looked at him funny; over half of the yellows in the game were for verbal infractions. It was ridiculous, but if you're a player you have to adjust to that and keep your mouth shut. A ref like that can easily influence a contest to the point where he determines who wins or who loses by his mood, and that could've happened last night after Carl Damberg got sent off with 36 minutes remaining and NPU only up by a goal.

Fortunately, Fredrik Greiff -- who has played some absolutely amazing soccer this past week while his parents are in town visiting from Sweden, leading John Born to remark after last night's match that he wishes Greiff's parents would stay in Chicago for a few extra weeks -- had a free-kick opportunity from straight on, 25 yards out, that he humpbacked over the Carthage wall and into the upper right corner of the goal, just below the crossbar. It was one of the prettiest goals I've seen in a long time. That shortie gave NPU some insurance, and the Vikings were plainly going to need it. Carthage just kept throwing everything it could at the Park's end of the field. The Red Men average a ridiculous four goals a game, well above everybody else in the league, and they've had 16 different players put it in the net at one time or another. Watching NPU play down a man for 36 minutes against a team like Carthage, even with a two-goal lead, felt like an eternity. But, just like the similar situation in the University of Chicago match, the Vikings proved up to the challenge. Carthage did pare the lead down to a goal with a late score in the 84th minute, but Tim Ahlberg showed why he's an All-CCIW goalkeeper by making some very impressive saves in the panicky final minutes, even though at one point there was a shot that deflected off the football crossbar and caromed back into play that was not called by the ref as having gone out of bounds and resulting in a goal kick.

NPU dodged another bullet, and kept its CCIW title hopes alive. But the Vikings have got to stop digging holes and then trying to find a way to climb out of them. They get too easily distracted by opponent goonery (Elmhurst) or irritable referees (Carthage). They need to focus on the task at hand right from the start of a match.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCF on October 22, 2012, 08:04:26 am
NC men picked up two victories this week-end. They beat Augie 2-0 and then on Senior Day, they dropped CUC 4-1.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 22, 2012, 09:34:04 am
Any report from the NP-Carthage game?  Looks like there were 9 yellow cards, including a duet for Damberg that left NP a man down.  And 3 of those yellows came at the same time (38:55) according to the box score.  What in the world was going on?

there were fouls galore - npu had a two goal lead the carthage cut to one and nearly got the tying goal, but a very late shot in the crossbar.

excellent, exciting call of the game on the north park video - though the student did say "North Park University" about 50 times in the final two minutes.  he was a little excited.

He's not a student. NPU soccer webcaster Marcos Craft is an NPU alumnus and former Vikings soccer player.

I always wondered who did the play by play.   If I were to criticize his style, it would also be the repeated "North Park University" phrase, rarely saying score/time, "Ladies and Gentleman" and finally, everything is a Golazo.

Generally, I think he does a pretty good job and I appreciate his dedication and the fact that he seems to really enjoy himself which is important.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 22, 2012, 07:54:09 pm
I don't disagree with you, but I'd cut Marcos a lot of slack. Speaking as someone who webcasts NPU football games all by his lonesome, and who has done a few NPU basketball games solo as well, I have a healthy respect for the amount of talking that Marcos has to do in the course of a soccer match.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCF on October 24, 2012, 08:59:48 am
Congrats to North Central's Ricardo Serrano on being named the CCIW offensive player of the week.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 24, 2012, 04:47:33 pm
Central Region rankings, as of today:

1   Dominican   13-2-1   13-2-1
2   Wheaton   12-3-2   12-3-2
3   Illinois Wesleyan   11-3-0   11-3-0
4   North Park     9-2-4     9-2-4
5   Calvin   12-3-0   12-3-0
T6   Chicago     7-3-4     7-3-4
T6   Olivet   12-2-1   14-2-1
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 24, 2012, 10:10:03 pm
Those rankings will sure change... NP beats IWU down in Bloomington 4-2!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 24, 2012, 10:13:10 pm
NPU 4-2 over Wesleyan in BloNo. Two goals for Markus Fodstad. Big win for the Vikes!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 25, 2012, 09:52:36 am
NPU 4-2 over Wesleyan in BloNo. Two goals for Markus Fodstad. Big win for the Vikes!

Great and important result for North Park.  I only saw Greif's goal - he sure is deadly from just outside the box.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on October 25, 2012, 11:09:34 am
The first two goals were VERY quality goals for North Park.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 27, 2012, 09:00:09 pm
Final from Naperville:

NPU 3
NCC 2
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 27, 2012, 09:00:54 pm
Jonas Petterson's hat trick was just enough for NP to hang on to the win in Naperville.  NP 3 - 2 over NC.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 27, 2012, 09:04:24 pm
Interesting match. Nobody scored in the first half ... but then Jonas Petterson scored three goals in less than seven minutes, which has got to be one of the quickest hat tricks in CCIW history, if not the quickest. However, North Central, which was playing for its life (a CCIW tourney berth was riding on the game for the Cards, since Carthage beat Illinois Wesleyan earlier in the day), scored two goals in the space of 19 seconds with less than 15 minutes left, and the Park was forced to hang on for the win.

Pettersson finishes the CCIW season with eight goals and 18 points, making him the league's scoring champ.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 27, 2012, 09:14:47 pm
Unfortunately, Wheaton (to no one's surprise) knocked off Millikin earlier in the day, 3-0, to claim the CCIW championship with a 6-0-1 mark to NPU's 5-0-2. As irritating as that is on several levels, what really bothers me more than anything is that NPU's superfluous draw came at the hands of a pretty pedestrian Augustana side. Augie will finish the season either 7-8-3 or 6-9-3, depending upon how the Doggies finish today against Elmhurst. (The 'jays lead, 1-0, in the first half.) You just can't wind up in a draw against a side like that, or it'll come back to haunt you. It certainly did for NPU.

The good news is that the Park gets to host a first-round CCIW tourney match on Wednesday night. Since Carthage beat Illinois Wesleyan today, and those two teams finished in a third-place tie at 4-3 apiece, the Vikings will get to host their old friends from Kenosha on Wednesday. This is the price that NPU will have to pay for that draw with Augie, a much worse price than not getting the regular-season trophy, IMHO; Carthage is a better side than Illinois Wesleyan, which was exposed at season's end for its relatively weak early schedule (the Titans were 11-2 and ranked as high as third in the region, but they lost their last three matches, all of which came against the three CCIW favorites).

At least NPU has tended to play very well in Joe Bean Stadium in recent years. And the NPU faithful will turn out in droves if the anticipated NPU @ Wheaton tourney final comes to pass next Saturday. Also, Wheaton and NPU will probably be ranked #2 and #3 in the region on Wednesday (behind Dominican), which means that a win on Wednesday would set up either Wheaton or NPU nicely for a Pool C berth, depending upon which one would lose next Saturday.

First things first, though. NPU's gonna have to beat Carthage for the second time in eleven days at Hedstrand Field, not an easy task by any means.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 31, 2012, 10:23:17 pm
NP 3-2 over Carthage.  Wheaton dominates IWU 5-0. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on November 01, 2012, 10:44:21 am
What is the derivation of Doggies in reference to Augustana?

In the next paragraph, there is a sentence that has six commas, one semi-colon, and parentheses, which rivals passages created by my former supervisor who retired in September 2012.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2012, 04:56:51 pm
What is the derivation of Doggies in reference to Augustana?

They've been called the Augie Doggies by non-Augustana people since time immemorial. Like a lot of nicknames, the rhyme makes it a natural. And a lot of people grew up watching this Hanna-Barbera cartoon, which used to run in shorts alongside Peter Potamus, Quick Draw McGraw, Huckleberry Hound, Yogi Bear, Top Cat, Snagglepuss, Magilla Gorilla, etc.:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Y8m29ZLX5ag/STOP_g4IFHI/AAAAAAAAB2I/fbJvehSiBcc/s400/AUGIE+DOGGIE+TITLE+CARD.jpg)

In the next paragraph, there is a sentence that has six commas, one semi-colon, and parentheses, which rivals passages created by my former supervisor who retired in September 2012.

Glad to help fill that hole in your life, Mark. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 01, 2012, 05:28:05 pm
NPU's win over Carthage last night certainly wasn't an easy one, as the Vikings followed their frequent m.o. of starting slow and letting the other side score first. And, as has been the case throughout the year and in the match played between NPU and CC two weeks ago, Carthage scored that initial goal on sheer speed, catching the Vikings back on their heels as they got an attacker (Jordan Innis) into the goalmouth on a long kick before any Vikings could get back there to challenge him. When Tim Ahlberg bobbled and dropped the ball, Innis was right there to put the ball in the net.

NPU was less in control of midfield last night than is usually the case, but the Vikings were better than usual around the net. The first Vikings goal was a sweet heel tip-in by Jakob Aronsson right in front of CC keeper Milan Tijanic, off of a Mike Herbst corner kick. The second was a header that Jonas Pettersson rebounded into the net after a save by Tijanic that he'd directed upwards led to the ball hitting the crossbar and bouncing outwards in front of the goalmouth. After Carthage came back with a 40-yard free-kick goal by Mike Heika, effectively screened by the Red Men so that Ahlberg was unable to pick up the flight of the ball, NPU got a goal that was called back by a foul. Then the Vikings finished off the Red Men with a game-winner in the 85th minute that came on another strong goalmouth play: Fredrik Greiff and Herbst teaming up to put one in the upper right corner of the net after Tijanic was unable to negotiate what was either a shot or a pass by Greiff across the goalmouth that Herbst got to instead of Tijanic.

NPU had to work for it, unlike Wheaton. The Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance was fortunate enough to face an Illinois Wesleyan side that was in way over its head in this tourney. But that's the perq that comes from winning the league; the difference between the third-place side and the fourth-place side can be pretty vast, as was demonstrated by the contrast between last night's matches at Hedstrand Field and Joe Bean Stadium.

As Wheaton commentator Rusty Lindsey put it on d3soccer.com's tournament update page: "The table is set for a raucous scene at Joe Bean Stadium on Saturday night when two fierce rivals will battle for the CCIW crown. Top-seed Wheaton disposed of No. 4 Illinois Wesleyan 5-0 behind a hat trick from Chad Musgraves. Second-seeded North Park on the other hand got a late goal and downed No. 3 Carthage 3-2 in the other semi-final.  The Vikings and Thunder will exchange pleasantries with a 7:00 pm kick-off on Saturday night.  North Park and Wheaton have combined to win 9 of the 10 CCIW Tournament Championships since the tournament’s inception in 2001."

"Raucous scene" pretty well describes it. As has been the case every time that NPU and Wheaton have faced off for the CCIW tourney title, the scene at Joe Bean Stadium on Saturday night should be nothing short of apocalyptic.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on November 02, 2012, 10:16:09 am
Is there an online video webcast for this game?  Also, when is the game and at what time?  This should be a dandy.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on November 02, 2012, 10:56:47 am
The game will take place at 7:00 p.m. Saturday.

The Wheaton webcast can be linked from the Wheaton website.  Live stats are also available.

http://www2.wheaton.edu/learnres/mediares/WETN/WETN_livewindow/WETN-TV.html


This should be a good game!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on November 02, 2012, 04:11:10 pm
The game will take place at 7:00 p.m. Saturday.

The Wheaton webcast can be linked from the Wheaton website.  Live stats are also available.

http://www2.wheaton.edu/learnres/mediares/WETN/WETN_livewindow/WETN-TV.html


This should be a good game!
Anyone know how much the ticket is? I know its $5 for regular season game but haven't been to wheaton for playoff games recently. If it's less than $7.00 I might go. Only couple hrs drive and i wanna see noah duke it out with jonas.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on November 02, 2012, 04:20:23 pm
It was $6 at NP on Wednesday, my guess is it'd be the same Saturday.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on November 02, 2012, 04:32:29 pm
It is $6.oo
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 03, 2012, 08:15:17 pm
The game will take place at 7:00 p.m. Saturday.

The Wheaton webcast can be linked from the Wheaton website.  Live stats are also available.

http://www2.wheaton.edu/learnres/mediares/WETN/WETN_livewindow/WETN-TV.html


This should be a good game!
I am getting a 404 error when I try to access the match

Anyone know how much the ticket is? I know its $5 for regular season game but haven't been to wheaton for playoff games recently. If it's less than $7.00 I might go. Only couple hrs drive and i wanna see noah duke it out with jonas.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 03, 2012, 10:47:09 pm
Wow! Wheaton's keeper must have time traveled ahead and came back to stop those first 2 goals in the shootout.  He looked like he knew exactly where they were going from the get go.  Hopefully they don't throw Wheaton into the Loras pool to early, I want to see these two meet in the Sweet 16.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on November 03, 2012, 11:14:26 pm
Couldn't be more pleased to see Wheaton send North Park's annoying fans home empty handed. The CCIW is always more entertaining when the Thunder are playing well and not struggling like the previous few years.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Saldner F.F. on November 04, 2012, 12:42:46 am
Are you talking about the only soccer fans in d3soccer, even more so in the CCIW? Wheaton had a good numbers of people coming out today which made the game more fun to watch. I wish more schools took after the great supporter tradition from NPU, and less people complaining about them bringing some heat and excitement to the games.

 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on November 05, 2012, 11:19:02 am
North Park's "annoying fans"?  If any team is bringing fans to D3 soccer games they should be getting praise...  North Park fans are lively which adds to the excitement of the match from a fan and player perspective.  I think NPU gets an at-large bid into the tournament based on their regular season results.  Hopefully their fans travel well.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on November 05, 2012, 01:07:05 pm
North Park v Washington U.  At Loras I believe.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Saldner F.F. on November 05, 2012, 09:09:58 pm
I believe, and hope that NP will have a pretty good group of fans driving out to Dubeque for the game vs Washington. What do you think about North Park and  Wheatons chances to do well in the tournament? Personally I believe that North Park has had a great run the last part of the season and has a great chance of at least winning the first round. Loras in the second round will probably be a more difficult game to win but I do believe that on a good day, the Vikings can beat any team.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Saldner F.F. on November 05, 2012, 09:27:59 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_PWxQhCxr8&feature=colike Mike and Jakob from NP seems to be ready at least !
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: OhioSocYea on November 06, 2012, 02:18:51 pm
Ohio Wesleyan fan here, looking forward to some excitement this weekend @ Wheaton. Unfortunately, however, i will not be able to attend in-person, so am wondering about video for the matches...

Does Wheaton usually stream games? How is the quality? Anyone know if they are planning to do it for all the NCAA tourney games at the site, or just the matches Wheaton is participating in? Nothing on the Wheaton site so far, that i can find...

Any help is appreciated!

 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on November 06, 2012, 03:51:56 pm
Your best bet for now is to keep checking the Wheaton web site.  Yes, the Wheaton games will definitely be live streamed from the campus tv station, WETN.  I'm not sure about the other games, but the web site will hopefully answer that question in the next day or so.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: OhioSocYea on November 06, 2012, 04:43:26 pm
Great, thanks Augie! Much appreciated.  :)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on November 06, 2012, 04:53:01 pm
Yeah, forgot to thank you augie for answering ticket price question. Wow, what a game that was. That freshman golz is something else. Runs in the family. Was disappointed that i didnt get to see hollingswaorth. North park fans are hilarious and probably one of the best.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2012, 05:17:07 pm
Couldn't be more pleased to see Wheaton send North Park's annoying fans home empty handed.

And I couldn't be more pleased that Dave DiTomasso's crew of Elmhurst leg-breakers are at home right now putting away their brass knuckles after a 1-6 CCIW campaign -- a 1-6 campaign that included a 2-0 loss to Millikin, for crying out loud.

Wow! Wheaton's keeper must have time traveled ahead and came back to stop those first 2 goals in the shootout.  He looked like he knew exactly where they were going from the get go.

Ryan Seager did a fantastic job in the shootout, and I tip my hat to him. But I'm on record as hating shootouts. Soccer is the only sport in the world in which the outcome can be settled in a format different than that of the game itself. Does basketball eschew overtime by having the two teams play a game of H-O-R-S-E to settle the outcome? Does baseball say "no" to extra innings, and instead have the two teams do a Home Run Derby to determine the winner?

And, yeah, I'd be saying the same thing if NPU had beaten Wheaton in the shootout. I just wouldn't be saying it as loudly. ;) :D

I believe, and hope that NP will have a pretty good group of fans driving out to Dubeque for the game vs Washington. What do you think about North Park and  Wheatons chances to do well in the tournament? Personally I believe that North Park has had a great run the last part of the season and has a great chance of at least winning the first round. Loras in the second round will probably be a more difficult game to win but I do believe that on a good day, the Vikings can beat any team.

Optimism must be tempered. NPU's been a very strong regular-season outfit in recent years, but the postseason has been another matter. The Vikings are only 1-4 in the tournament over the past decade. They have to focus exclusively on Wash U, because beating the Bears will be more than enough of a task to hold their attention. As for Loras ... well, let's just say that NPU has yet to face a foe in Loras's category this season.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on November 06, 2012, 10:02:37 pm
Meh, I stand by my statement. I don't like North Park's student fans, whom I find quite boorish. I also find their players to be whiners, so I have no problem rooting against them. NPU guys liked Sager can vehemently disagree all they want, but that's my opinion and they can have theirs. And as I've stated before, I'm no fan of DiTomasso and his antics.
As an aside, I don't see Loras losing until the Elite 8 or later. Wheaton will have their hands full with Ohio Wesleyan, even with the home field.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 06, 2012, 10:25:09 pm
Meh, I stand by my statement. I don't like North Park's student fans, whom I find quite boorish. I also find their players to be whiners, so I have no problem rooting against them. NPU guys liked Sager can vehemently disagree all they want, but that's my opinion and they can have theirs.

I don't have any problem at all with your opinion being different from mine. What I said to you last season:

Just cuz you love your Vikings doesn't mean anyone else is gonna like them (and we don't).

Excellent. Nobody expects you to.

It wouldn't be any fun to be on top if being there didn't bother the people below you.

... still stands. In the immortal words of Sly and the Family Stone, "different strokes for different folks."
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on November 06, 2012, 10:38:06 pm
Meh, I stand by my statement. I don't like North Park's student fans, whom I find quite boorish. I also find their players to be whiners, so I have no problem rooting against them. NPU guys liked Sager can vehemently disagree all they want, but that's my opinion and they can have theirs.

I don't have any problem at all with your opinion being different from mine. What I said to you last season:

Just cuz you love your Vikings doesn't mean anyone else is gonna like them (and we don't).

Excellent. Nobody expects you to.

It wouldn't be any fun to be on top if being there didn't bother the people below you.

... still stands. In the immortal words of Sly and the Family Stone, "different strokes for different folks."

In terms of the above, North Park's success on the pitch doesn't bother me. I'd feel the same whether they are good or terrible. Historically, I've preferred watching Wheaton teams anyhow. Those Rob Mouw-Eric Brown squads were incredible. We won't see a team that good again in the CCIW.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on November 07, 2012, 02:35:53 pm
Your best bet for now is to keep checking the Wheaton web site.  Yes, the Wheaton games will definitely be live streamed from the campus tv station, WETN.  I'm not sure about the other games, but the web site will hopefully answer that question in the next day or so.

The d3soccer website shows live stats and video for the Ohio-Wesleyan game this Friday.  You will find this under scores for November 9.  Just click on the links.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: OhioSocYea on November 07, 2012, 03:17:47 pm
Your best bet for now is to keep checking the Wheaton web site.  Yes, the Wheaton games will definitely be live streamed from the campus tv station, WETN.  I'm not sure about the other games, but the web site will hopefully answer that question in the next day or so.

The d3soccer website shows live stats and video for the Ohio-Wesleyan game this Friday.  You will find this under scores for November 9.  Just click on the links.

Yep, just noticed this as well, thanks! Wheaton website has also been updated with links for video for the Ohio Wesleyan and Centre match. Well done Wheaton! :)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Thunder1 on November 07, 2012, 04:24:02 pm
Couldn't be more pleased to see Wheaton send North Park's annoying fans home empty handed.

And I couldn't be more pleased that Dave DiTomasso's crew of Elmhurst leg-breakers are at home right now putting away their brass knuckles after a 1-6 CCIW campaign -- a 1-6 campaign that included a 2-0 loss to Millikin, for crying out loud.

Wow! Wheaton's keeper must have time traveled ahead and came back to stop those first 2 goals in the shootout.  He looked like he knew exactly where they were going from the get go.

Ryan Seager did a fantastic job in the shootout, and I tip my hat to him. But I'm on record as hating shootouts. Soccer is the only sport in the world in which the outcome can be settled in a format different than that of the game itself. Does basketball eschew overtime by having the two teams play a game of H-O-R-S-E to settle the outcome? Does baseball say "no" to extra innings, and instead have the two teams do a Home Run Derby to determine the winner?

And, yeah, I'd be saying the same thing if NPU had beaten Wheaton in the shootout. I just wouldn't be saying it as loudly. ;) :D

I believe, and hope that NP will have a pretty good group of fans driving out to Dubeque for the game vs Washington. What do you think about North Park and  Wheatons chances to do well in the tournament? Personally I believe that North Park has had a great run the last part of the season and has a great chance of at least winning the first round. Loras in the second round will probably be a more difficult game to win but I do believe that on a good day, the Vikings can beat any team.

Optimism must be tempered. NPU's been a very strong regular-season outfit in recent years, but the postseason has been another matter. The Vikings are only 1-4 in the tournament over the past decade. They have to focus exclusively on Wash U, because beating the Bears will be more than enough of a task to hold their attention. As for Loras ... well, let's just say that NPU has yet to face a foe in Loras's category this season.

Hello fellas. Just wanted to chime in on the Loras/NP discussion. Actually NP has played a foe in Loras's category. Twice as a mater of fact. Wheaton played Loras early in the year and the 2-0 score was not reflective of the game. It was a track meet with even shots and possession. The score was 0-0 with 8 minutes left to play. Could have gone either way. After Loras scored Wheaton was forced to press for the tie. Second goal was on a missed offsides call with a minute or so left in the game. For those of you that don't know, Wheaton starts 6 freshmen and sophomores and has a completely new back line this year. It took a while for them to work out some kinks early in the season.

If NP gets through the first game I think the can give Loras some trouble. Their conditioning is a little suspect in my opinion but if they can hang in there, Jonas can strike in a heartbeat. Very dangerous player.

As for NP fans, they can be a little obnoxious but all in good fun in my opinion. I was glad they got into the tournament and certainly believe they deserve to be there. The CCIW Championship game at Wheaton was one of the best college soccer atmospheres I've seen at any level.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 07, 2012, 04:58:15 pm
Couldn't be more pleased to see Wheaton send North Park's annoying fans home empty handed.

And I couldn't be more pleased that Dave DiTomasso's crew of Elmhurst leg-breakers are at home right now putting away their brass knuckles after a 1-6 CCIW campaign -- a 1-6 campaign that included a 2-0 loss to Millikin, for crying out loud.

Wow! Wheaton's keeper must have time traveled ahead and came back to stop those first 2 goals in the shootout.  He looked like he knew exactly where they were going from the get go.

Ryan Seager did a fantastic job in the shootout, and I tip my hat to him. But I'm on record as hating shootouts. Soccer is the only sport in the world in which the outcome can be settled in a format different than that of the game itself. Does basketball eschew overtime by having the two teams play a game of H-O-R-S-E to settle the outcome? Does baseball say "no" to extra innings, and instead have the two teams do a Home Run Derby to determine the winner?

And, yeah, I'd be saying the same thing if NPU had beaten Wheaton in the shootout. I just wouldn't be saying it as loudly. ;) :D

I believe, and hope that NP will have a pretty good group of fans driving out to Dubeque for the game vs Washington. What do you think about North Park and  Wheatons chances to do well in the tournament? Personally I believe that North Park has had a great run the last part of the season and has a great chance of at least winning the first round. Loras in the second round will probably be a more difficult game to win but I do believe that on a good day, the Vikings can beat any team.

Optimism must be tempered. NPU's been a very strong regular-season outfit in recent years, but the postseason has been another matter. The Vikings are only 1-4 in the tournament over the past decade. They have to focus exclusively on Wash U, because beating the Bears will be more than enough of a task to hold their attention. As for Loras ... well, let's just say that NPU has yet to face a foe in Loras's category this season.

Umm what about Ice Hockey, Field Hockey, Water Polo, Team Handball, Cricket, Rugby,and of course Gaelic Football.  These sports also determine a winner through shootouts.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on November 07, 2012, 05:27:40 pm
KICKIN pulling out all stops when Gaelic Football is involved.  Hopefully the NPU players are able to play better than they dance when they are down in Dubuque!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 07, 2012, 07:12:50 pm
Hello fellas. Just wanted to chime in on the Loras/NP discussion. Actually NP has played a foe in Loras's category. Twice as a mater of fact. Wheaton played Loras early in the year and the 2-0 score was not reflective of the game. It was a track meet with even shots and possession. The score was 0-0 with 8 minutes left to play. Could have gone either way. After Loras scored Wheaton was forced to press for the tie. Second goal was on a missed offsides call with a minute or so left in the game.

That's good to know. Thanks for that game breakdown. After checking the box score, it's true -- Wheaton actually outshot Loras, although Loras had more shots on frame, and the two goals by the Duhawks did come very, very late in the contest. I still think that NPU would be a decided underdog in a potential NPU @ Loras matchup, but I do feel better about NPU's chances now. First things first, though -- Wash U is on the docket, and the Bears will not be a pushover.

Umm what about Ice Hockey, Field Hockey, Water Polo, Team Handball, Cricket, Rugby,and of course Gaelic Football.  These sports also determine a winner through shootouts.

My bad for using the word "world". I'd completely forgotten about the NHL's abomination in adopting the shootout. Rugby uses golden-point overtimes, though, not shootouts. As for the other sports ... couldn't care less.

Doesn't make soccer's use of the shootout any more legitimate. It just means that soccer has some company in maintaining a stupid tiebreaking mode. Thanks for the correction, though. Nice catch.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Thunder1 on November 07, 2012, 11:06:43 pm
Hello fellas. Just wanted to chime in on the Loras/NP discussion. Actually NP has played a foe in Loras's category. Twice as a mater of fact. Wheaton played Loras early in the year and the 2-0 score was not reflective of the game. It was a track meet with even shots and possession. The score was 0-0 with 8 minutes left to play. Could have gone either way. After Loras scored Wheaton was forced to press for the tie. Second goal was on a missed offsides call with a minute or so left in the game.

That's good to know. Thanks for that game breakdown. After checking the box score, it's true -- Wheaton actually outshot Loras, although Loras had more shots on frame, and the two goals by the Duhawks did come very, very late in the contest. I still think that NPU would be a decided underdog in a potential NPU @ Loras matchup, but I do feel better about NPU's chances now. First things first, though -- Wash U is on the docket, and the Bears will not be a pushover.



Just for reference on Wash U, Wheaton played them earlier in the year at Wash U. Wash U was never really in the game. Wheaton was up 3-0 early in the second half and subbed liberally in the second half. Shots were 16-7 Wheaton with lots of possession and Wash U only had 2 shots on goal. In Wash U's defense I had heard that a couple of their players were out but with their lack of speed they never really threatened. I like NP's chances against them.




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Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 07, 2012, 11:31:48 pm
Just for reference on Wash U, Wheaton played them earlier in the year at Wash U. Wash U was never really in the game. Wheaton was up 3-0 early in the second half and subbed liberally in the second half. Shots were 16-7 Wheaton with lots of possession and Wash U only had 2 shots on goal. In Wash U's defense I had heard that a couple of their players were out but with their lack of speed they never really threatened. I like NP's chances against them.

NPU and Wash U have one other opponent in common: Chicago, which tied both squads (2-2 vs. NPU in late September, and 0-0 vs. Wash U last Saturday).

It doesn't appear that Wash U had any key players who were missing for that Wheaton match other than Jeremy Kirkwood, who tied for the team lead in scoring this season.

The Bears have been in the postseason the past two years, same as NPU, so they will be battle-tested in terms of November soccer. I know that John Born and the rest of the NPU braintrust will not take the Bears lightly.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 08, 2012, 10:24:37 am
Just for reference on Wash U, Wheaton played them earlier in the year at Wash U. Wash U was never really in the game. Wheaton was up 3-0 early in the second half and subbed liberally in the second half. Shots were 16-7 Wheaton with lots of possession and Wash U only had 2 shots on goal. In Wash U's defense I had heard that a couple of their players were out but with their lack of speed they never really threatened. I like NP's chances against them.

NPU and Wash U have one other opponent in common: Chicago, which tied both squads (2-2 vs. NPU in late September, and 0-0 vs. Wash U last Saturday).

It doesn't appear that Wash U had any key players who were missing for that Wheaton match other than Jeremy Kirkwood, who tied for the team lead in scoring this season.

The Bears have been in the postseason the past two years, same as NPU, so they will be battle-tested in terms of November soccer. I know that John Born and the rest of the NPU braintrust will not take the Bears lightly.

Wash U & Wheaton both played Loras this year, Loras tied Wash U 0-0 but out shot the Bears 23-7 and 7-2 SOG and lead in corners 9-2.  Against Wheaton Loras walked away with a 2-0 victory, but the stats and the match were much, much closer, Wheaton had the edge in shots 13-12 and Loras led in SOG and corners 6-4 and 3-2 respectively and the play was what has come to expected between the two the last 8 years.  Wash U no doubt can play, but they aren't quite Wheaton caliber.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on November 09, 2012, 03:16:40 pm
Good luck to Wheaton tonight and North Park tomorrow!!!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 10, 2012, 02:02:06 pm
FINAL:

NPU 4
Wash U 1

Now comes the hard part: Loras tomorrow.

Wheaton beat Transylvania last night, 3-0, and will host Centre today.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on November 10, 2012, 03:56:47 pm
Loras has only four players from Iowa on its roster; 17 hail from Illinois (mostly DuPage county).  North Park has 17 players from Sweden.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 10, 2012, 07:20:35 pm
Loras has only four players from Iowa on its roster; 17 hail from Illinois (mostly DuPage county).  North Park has 17 players from Sweden.

Loras has always been a hotbed for some of the top Illinois players.  Not sure about the Sweden NPU connection
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Saldner F.F. on November 11, 2012, 02:55:37 pm
Two questions: How can you "Zidane" a player and still be able to finish the soccer game on the pitch? Second: Can the Loras camera man please follow the ball for the second half?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Saldner F.F. on November 11, 2012, 03:58:46 pm
So the answer is that you are allowed to in the NCAA d3 soccer? I hate losing but the Vikes were supposed to play 11 on 10, almost all game! Who brought gave that ref the permission to do this game?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on November 11, 2012, 04:02:14 pm
A hard-fought (and physical) match for the Vikings.  A tough loss to swallow in what looked like a fairly even contest.  I'm surprised nobody got seriously injured (or ejected, for that matter).  Congrats to NP on a good season. 

Good luck to Wheaton in the coming rounds.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 11, 2012, 04:02:19 pm
So the answer is that you are allowed to in the NCAA d3 soccer? I hate losing but the Vikes were supposed to play 11 on 10, almost all game! Who brought gave that ref the permission to do this game?
I guess you didn't see the 1st foul, just the 2nd?  I thought the center did a good job at keeping the game from getting out of hand.  The NCAA picks the ref, but you won't have to worry about them anymore this year.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Saldner F.F. on November 11, 2012, 04:25:17 pm
So you are arguing that he saw the "bull moose" hit and decided that a yellow card was enough? If he didn't see it that's another story, what's strange is the yellow card. No matter what the first tackle looked like we all saw in the world cup 2006 how to treat actions like that.

North Park has done a great job trying to steal a win from a high ranked team at their turf. This was NP's first loss all season in 90 min and its even more impressive looking at their very competitive schedule. Hopefully they will get some more attention next year and not be viewed as one of the "most surprising wins" when they win their first round next year.. .
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on November 11, 2012, 09:44:40 pm
Loras has only four players from Iowa on its roster; 17 hail from Illinois (mostly DuPage county).  North Park has 17 players from Sweden.
So academy rejects beat scandinavian imports... hmm, somebody tell born to start looking for players in his neighborhood. I hope loras get to play against wheaton. we'll then get to see the rejects vs the legits and see if academy is all its cracked up to be. Somehow i doubt it.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on November 11, 2012, 10:44:51 pm
I sure don't understand that last post. Any translators around?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 11, 2012, 11:06:18 pm
Loras has only four players from Iowa on its roster; 17 hail from Illinois (mostly DuPage county).  North Park has 17 players from Sweden.
So academy rejects beat scandinavian imports... hmm, somebody tell born to start looking for players in his neighborhood. I hope loras get to play against wheaton. we'll then get to see the rejects vs the legits and see if academy is all its cracked up to be. Somehow i doubt it.
Umm, I don't know if your meds have worn off but the rejects comment is nothing short of ignorant (proving your knowledge or lack there of DIII soccer) and if you did even the slightest bit of research you would have noticed that Loras already blanked Wheaton 2-0 this season.  Nothing screams moron louder than when a person uses their own foot as a bullhorn!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: OskeeHawk on November 11, 2012, 11:13:06 pm
Kickin, i Believe he's talking about the ussf academy kids that Wheaton has versus some non academy kids that Loras has.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on November 11, 2012, 11:36:12 pm
Those are some pretty broad brush strokes, fellas. 

As for the lack of red card for the Loras foul, most refs are going to err on the side of warnings in post-season play.  They don't want to be the deciding factor by putting a team down one man, especially early in the game as that was. Regular season that may have drawn the red--maybe even later in the game.  Frustrating?  Absolutely.  But as was already said, the ref seemed to keep the game from getting out of control and hand out cautions pretty freely in a very physical match played by two talented teams. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: OskeeHawk on November 12, 2012, 12:00:27 am
If loras/Wheaton do meet up it doesn't solve that debate on academy versus non academy anyway. That's a discussion for a youth soccer forum.
I am interested though in the connection of NP and Sweden, be interesting to see if that pipeline stays open and they can continue to improve in years to come.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Thunder1 on November 12, 2012, 12:30:44 am
Hello again fellas. Hate to say it, but I called the NP victory over Wash U earlier this week as well as the tight NP vs Loras game. Kicken, not sure if you were at the Wheaton vs Loras game earlier in the year. True, it was a 2-0 game but it was a great game with end to end action, even shots and possession. Could have gone either way. It was a 0-0 game with 8 minutes to play, the second goal on a missed offsides call with about a minute left in the game with Wheaton pressing for the tie. Wheaton was working out kinks early in the year (start 6 freshmen and sophomores with a completely new back line) and had one of toughest schedules in the country with a ton of travel and only seven regular season home games this year. It should be another great weekend of soccer. If Wheaton is fortunate enough to get by Dominican and Lora's gets by UWP, the Loras vs Wheaton rematch could be a barn burner. First things first with Dominican though....another very good team.

As for the academy debate, Wheaton does have 4 players from the Chicago Fire Academy. I'm not sure about the other teams.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 12, 2012, 01:22:12 pm
Hello again fellas. Hate to say it, but I called the NP victory over Wash U earlier this week as well as the tight NP vs Loras game. Kicken, not sure if you were at the Wheaton vs Loras game earlier in the year. True, it was a 2-0 game but it was a great game with end to end action, even shots and possession. Could have gone either way. It was a 0-0 game with 8 minutes to play, the second goal on a missed offsides call with about a minute left in the game with Wheaton pressing for the tie. Wheaton was working out kinks early in the year (start 6 freshmen and sophomores with a completely new back line) and had one of toughest schedules in the country with a ton of travel and only seven regular season home games this year. It should be another great weekend of soccer. If Wheaton is fortunate enough to get by Dominican and Lora's gets by UWP, the Loras vs Wheaton rematch could be a barn burner. First things first with Dominican though....another very good team.

As for the academy debate, Wheaton does have 4 players from the Chicago Fire Academy. I'm not sure about the other teams.
I did go to the Loras v Wheaton match and you are 100% correct, it was as even a match as 2 teams could play.  The goals just happened to go Loras's way, I would expect more of the same if the 2 do meet again.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 12, 2012, 09:25:21 pm
A disappointing end to the season for NPU, but thanks to John Born, his assistants, and all the players on another great run in 2012. I'm already looking forward to next year!

Loras has only four players from Iowa on its roster; 17 hail from Illinois (mostly DuPage county).  North Park has 17 players from Sweden.
So academy rejects beat scandinavian imports... hmm, somebody tell born to start looking for players in his neighborhood.

What's with the hate, keeker? I had no idea that you were in the same let's-dump-on-NPU boat at blue_jays.

NPU had 14 local players on the roster this season, including regulars Elvin Ahmeti (Wheaton North), Joe Ferguson (DeKalb), and David Dawood (Niles West). John Born does plenty of "looking for players in his neighborhood" -- I see prospects all the time in the stands at NPU home games. Regardless, though, what the heck difference should it make where he gets his players from? Why the parochial attitude? The irony is that men's soccer seems to be the one sport in which Wheaton recruits locally; in every other sport, Wheaton's rosters read like the Rand-McNally atlas. But nobody sees the need to harp on Wheaton for "not looking for players in their own neighborhood." Nor should they.

If loras/Wheaton do meet up it doesn't solve that debate on academy versus non academy anyway. That's a discussion for a youth soccer forum.
I am interested though in the connection of NP and Sweden, be interesting to see if that pipeline stays open and they can continue to improve in years to come.

The Swedish pipeline to NPU has been in existence for quite a few years now. NPU has had All-CCIW players who hailed from Sweden going all the way back to the early '90s (Magnus Ramstrom, Sven Eggefalk, Marcus Nilsson, etc.). The difference is that it's been much more productive in terms of numbers over the past couple of seasons. In the past, NPU's soccer team used to annually have anywhere from two to five Swedes. Last year and this year it's had between 15 and 20 (with a couple of Norwegians thrown in for color ;)). John Born has very actively recruited Swedes -- who obviously have very high skill levels, and who tend to be a year or two older than their American counterparts -- and I don't see that changing anytime soon, especially with Kris Grahn on the coaching staff. Why would you kill the goose that's laid the blue-and-golden egg?

Why do Swedish soccer players come to NPU? Several reasons. NPU has a very good international business major that draws a lot of foreign students, Swedes among them. The school is located in a world-class city of almost three million people, which is a huge draw for international students as well. This is particularly true of Swedes, who come from a country whose population is the same as that of metro Chicagoland and which has only a fraction of the amazing diversity that Chicago offers (and even that can only be found in Sweden's major cities). Lastly, North Park is a school that was founded by Swedish immigrants in the late nineteenth century, and it still makes a big deal out of its ethnic heritage (the nickname "Vikings" and the school's royal-blue-and-gold colors attest to that). There are only about a half-dozen colleges and universities in the U.S. where a student can major in Swedish, and NPU is one of them. In fact, Chicago's best Swedish restaurant, Tre Kronor (recommended by none other than Blackhawks defenseman Niklas Hjalmarsson), is right across the street from campus. NPU's Swedes feel very much at home at North Park, or at least as much at home as it's possible for a Swede to feel in America.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 12, 2012, 10:59:05 pm
A disappointing end to the season for NPU, but thanks to John Born, his assistants, and all the players on another great run in 2012. I'm already looking forward to next year!

Loras has only four players from Iowa on its roster; 17 hail from Illinois (mostly DuPage county).  North Park has 17 players from Sweden.
So academy rejects beat scandinavian imports... hmm, somebody tell born to start looking for players in his neighborhood.

What's with the hate, keeker? I had no idea that you were in the same let's-dump-on-NPU boat at blue_jays.

NPU had 14 local players on the roster this season, including regulars Elvin Ahmeti (Wheaton North), Joe Ferguson (DeKalb), and David Dawood (Niles West). John Born does plenty of "looking for players in his neighborhood" -- I see prospects all the time in the stands at NPU home games. Regardless, though, what the heck difference should it make where he gets his players from? Why the parochial attitude? The irony is that men's soccer seems to be the one sport in which Wheaton recruits locally; in every other sport, Wheaton's rosters read like the Rand-McNally atlas. But nobody sees the need to harp on Wheaton for "not looking for players in their own neighborhood." Nor should they.

If loras/Wheaton do meet up it doesn't solve that debate on academy versus non academy anyway. That's a discussion for a youth soccer forum.
I am interested though in the connection of NP and Sweden, be interesting to see if that pipeline stays open and they can continue to improve in years to come.

The Swedish pipeline to NPU has been in existence for quite a few years now. NPU has had All-CCIW players who hailed from Sweden going all the way back to the early '90s (Magnus Ramstrom, Sven Eggefalk, Marcus Nilsson, etc.). The difference is that it's been much more productive in terms of numbers over the past couple of seasons. In the past, NPU's soccer team used to annually have anywhere from two to five Swedes. Last year and this year it's had between 15 and 20 (with a couple of Norwegians thrown in for color ;)). John Born has very actively recruited Swedes -- who obviously have very high skill levels, and who tend to be a year or two older than their American counterparts -- and I don't see that changing anytime soon, especially with Kris Grahn on the coaching staff. Why would you kill the goose that's laid the blue-and-golden egg?

Why do Swedish soccer players come to NPU? Several reasons. NPU has a very good international business major that draws a lot of foreign students, Swedes among them. The school is located in a world-class city of almost three million people, which is a huge draw for international students as well. This is particularly true of Swedes, who come from a country whose population is the same as that of metro Chicagoland and which has only a fraction of the amazing diversity that Chicago offers (and even that can only be found in Sweden's major cities). Lastly, North Park is a school that was founded by Swedish immigrants in the late nineteenth century, and it still makes a big deal out of its ethnic heritage (the nickname "Vikings" and the school's royal-blue-and-gold colors attest to that). There are only about a half-dozen colleges and universities in the U.S. where a student can major in Swedish, and NPU is one of them. In fact, Chicago's best Swedish restaurant, Tre Kronor (recommended by none other than Blackhawks defenseman Niklas Hjalmarsson), is right across the street from campus. NPU's Swedes feel very much at home at North Park, or at least as much at home as it's possible for a Swede to feel in America.

I may have to send that line to Garrison Keillor! 8-)  Colorful Norwegians?! :o
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Thunder1 on November 12, 2012, 11:54:40 pm
Gentlemen. Interesting discussion on foreign vs American players. I have no problem with foreign players coming to the states to play but you have to admit having 17 players (9 out of 11 starters) from Sweden is quite unusual. I don't think there is another NCAA team in the country in any division with this many foreign players much less from the same country. I think the concern people have is that these players act like professional players and tend to be "a year or two older" as you stated. Just pointing out the perception. This sentiment was demonstrated at the NP v Wheaton game at Wheaton. As they announced the starting lineup for NP, the Wheaton crowd cheered wildly when they got to the kid from CO after 8 straight players announced from Sweden. It was a funny moment in a great rivalry game. The Swedish connection just adds to the drama. (By the way, I am Swedish and am familiar with the Covenant church, so I get the NP/Swedish connection)

As for the Wheaton roster, it is still quite diverse with players from TN, MI, CA, NY, IN, NC and France. They have to cast their recruiting net a little wider because of the academic (30 ACT average) and religious requirements of the college.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on November 12, 2012, 11:56:17 pm
Keeker:  I thought I counted 17 kids from Illinois on the North Park roster.  Born clearly recruits locally.

And why no critical comment about Loras' lack of Iowa kids?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: keeker on November 13, 2012, 12:02:44 am
What's with the hate, keeker? I had no idea that you were in the same let's-dump-on-NPU boat at blue_jays.
No hate what so ever greg. I love north park. A long time ago my best friends wife worked there in the admissions office.  I like the local boy dawood. Probably one of your best dribblers but physically too weak. If he were strong like filip, even though they are both willowy, dawood could contribute a lot more. I think north park has one of the best supporters in all of d3 soccer and it's always fun to watch games at holmgren stadium. I gotta get me a north park id so I can get in free though. In many ways, it's a great experience and "privilege" for players who get to play NPU with its mainly foreign born line up. I'd rather play against teams like NPU than your typical d3 schools where everyone is basically from same high school. D3 soccer needs more teamd like Npu.  Btw, Dennis Persson is the best left back in cciw, better than anthony of wheaton. Look forward to watching him next three years, that is if he doesn't flunk out of his econ classes.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2012, 12:07:36 am
What's with the hate, keeker? I had no idea that you were in the same let's-dump-on-NPU boat at blue_jays.
No hate what so ever greg. I love north park. A long time ago my best friends wife worked there in the admissions office.  I like the local boy dawood. Probably one of your best dribblers but physically too weak. If he were strong like filip, even though they are both willowy, dawood could contribute a lot more. I think north park has one of the best supporters in all of d3 soccer and it's always fun to watch games at holmgren stadium. I gotta get me a north park id so I can get in free though. In many ways, it's a great experience and "privilege" for players who get to play NPU with its mainly foreign born line up. I'd rather play against teams like NPU than your typical d3 schools where everyone is basically from same high school. D3 soccer needs more teamd like Npu.  Btw, Dennis Persson is the best left back in cciw, better than anthony of wheaton. Look forward to watching him next three years, that is if he doesn't flunk out of his econ classes.

Sure glad he addressed Greg in the first line, or with his quoting mishap I'd be dragged into another fight I have no dog in! ;D
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on November 13, 2012, 12:18:13 am
Greg knows I like the Norwegian comments. Shoulda gone to St. Olaf....
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 13, 2012, 09:22:27 am

And why no critical comment about Loras' lack of Iowa kids?

I don't know, probably because 4 of the starters/major players are from Iowa and 3 of those being from Dubuque.  The reason for all the Illinois players is the simple fact that nearly half of the enrollment consistently hails from Illinois and more specifically the Chicagoland area.  Loras is an historically strong Catholic school with a long lineage of Irish and Italian Catholics to be more specific.  The "Other" IIAC Dubuque school (UD) was originally a College of mostly German Presbyterian decent and since Dubuque was pretty much a 50/50 split of Irish & German Catholics and German Presbyterians it made sense that if Loras wanted more students they were going to have to look outside of the city to do so.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Puerco Espin on November 13, 2012, 09:56:20 am
KICKIN - Isn't Rothert's coaching style also a factor? A lot of Iowa kids tend to be all around good athletes (Rummelhart, Koenig, Burgmeier), whereas Illinois has produced some pretty good technical kids (Cavers, Fluegel, etc). Obviously not the case with everyone, but just more of an observation.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 13, 2012, 10:25:09 am
KICKIN - Isn't Rothert's coaching style also a factor? A lot of Iowa kids tend to be all around good athletes (Rummelhart, Koenig, Burgmeier), whereas Illinois has produced some pretty good technical kids (Cavers, Fluegel, etc). Obviously not the case with everyone, but just more of an observation.

That may have a little to do with it, but I think more than anything is the fact that the quality of players in Iowa just isn't that of those in Illinois. I am not knocking Iowa, I am a product of Iowa soccer (take that one how you want :) ). Actually Coach Pucci and I had a conversation about this topic (Iowa athletes vs Illinois technical) after the St Scholastica match on saturday.  You need both, just need to find the right positions for them to meld together and I think Rothert does an excellent job of conducting that orchestra.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Madhatter5 on November 13, 2012, 01:42:51 pm
Gentlemen. Interesting discussion on foreign vs American players. I have no problem with foreign players coming to the states to play but you have to admit having 17 players (9 out of 11 starters) from Sweden is quite unusual. I don't think there is another NCAA team in the country in any division with this many foreign players much less from the same country. I think the concern people have is that these players act like professional players and tend to be "a year or two older" as you stated. Just pointing out the perception. This sentiment was demonstrated at the NP v Wheaton game at Wheaton. As they announced the starting lineup for NP, the Wheaton crowd cheered wildly when they got to the kid from CO after 8 straight players announced from Sweden. It was a funny moment in a great rivalry game. The Swedish connection just adds to the drama. (By the way, I am Swedish and am familiar with the Covenant church, so I get the NP/Swedish connection)

As for the Wheaton roster, it is still quite diverse with players from TN, MI, CA, NY, IN, NC and France. They have to cast their recruiting net a little wider because of the academic (30 ACT average) and religious requirements of the college.

North Carolina Wesleyan is a school that recruits greatly out of the US. 18 out of the 31 players are currently from out of the country, and one that doesn't appear to be from anywhere  :o. Loras played them in 2007 in the Sweet 16 and, if I recall correctly, majority of the starters were from overseas. They recruit players to come play for a year or two and have them scouted to get moved up to D1/D2 schools, so I heard. I also heard that Coach Rothert received some scouting video's from other teams and didn't show his team much of the videos due to the skill of NCW and didn't want to scare/discourage the team before the game.  ;D
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 13, 2012, 04:09:59 pm
Gentlemen. Interesting discussion on foreign vs American players. I have no problem with foreign players coming to the states to play but you have to admit having 17 players (9 out of 11 starters) from Sweden is quite unusual. I don't think there is another NCAA team in the country in any division with this many foreign players much less from the same country. I think the concern people have is that these players act like professional players and tend to be "a year or two older" as you stated. Just pointing out the perception. This sentiment was demonstrated at the NP v Wheaton game at Wheaton. As they announced the starting lineup for NP, the Wheaton crowd cheered wildly when they got to the kid from CO after 8 straight players announced from Sweden. It was a funny moment in a great rivalry game. The Swedish connection just adds to the drama. (By the way, I am Swedish and am familiar with the Covenant church, so I get the NP/Swedish connection)

As for the Wheaton roster, it is still quite diverse with players from TN, MI, CA, NY, IN, NC and France. They have to cast their recruiting net a little wider because of the academic (30 ACT average) and religious requirements of the college.

North Carolina Wesleyan is a school that recruits greatly out of the US. 18 out of the 31 players are currently from out of the country, and one that doesn't appear to be from anywhere  :o. Loras played them in 2007 in the Sweet 16 and, if I recall correctly, majority of the starters were from overseas. They recruit players to come play for a year or two and have them scouted to get moved up to D1/D2 schools, so I heard. I also heard that Coach Rothert received some scouting video's from other teams and didn't show his team much of the videos due to the skill of NCW and didn't want to scare/discourage the team before the game.  ;D

I drove down to NCW for those matches. NCW had a few players in the mid 20's and were 10 of the 11 were from foreign countries.  That team was very skilled, but they lacked cohesiveness and a team mentality.

I actually have no problem with a school that plays all foreign players or no foreign players.  These kids are here to go to school and play soccer, who cares where they come from.  Apparently these teams with a majority of foreign players isn't much of an issue since I cannot recall any of them every winning a title or even making themselves a reoccurring presence in the tourney.  Because this is DIII and not DI does being a foreign born player constitute cheating, maybe they might actually be attending for the education and not strictly the sport.  If they were here for the sport first and school second they would go somewhere that would pick up the check on tuition.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2012, 08:30:25 pm
Gentlemen. Interesting discussion on foreign vs American players. I have no problem with foreign players coming to the states to play but you have to admit having 17 players (9 out of 11 starters) from Sweden is quite unusual. I don't think there is another NCAA team in the country in any division with this many foreign players much less from the same country. I think the concern people have is that these players act like professional players and tend to be "a year or two older" as you stated. Just pointing out the perception.

What does "act like professional players" mean? Are they doing ads for Adidas and Gatorade or signing autographs at $10 a pop out at the Rosemont Convention Center? ;)

This sentiment was demonstrated at the NP v Wheaton game at Wheaton. As they announced the starting lineup for NP, the Wheaton crowd cheered wildly when they got to the kid from CO after 8 straight players announced from Sweden. It was a funny moment in a great rivalry game. The Swedish connection just adds to the drama. (By the way, I am Swedish and am familiar with the Covenant church, so I get the NP/Swedish connection)

"The Wheaton crowd cheered wildly" ... five words that have probably never appeared in the same sentence before. ;)

That whole dump-on-the-Swedes, let's-wave-the-American-flag thing is, in my opinion, a wonderful aspect of the rivalry. Same thing with the "Beat North Park" t-shirts that the Wheaties were wearing a week ago Saturday. As Jim will attest, it's so flippin' hard to get Wheaton folks to care about anything sports-related (including their own teams) that forging a rivalry with Wheaton -- a true, you-don't-like-us-and-we-don't-like-you rivalry -- is extremely difficult. NPU has tried to foster one (no pun intended) for years, given that almost every Parker has seen Wheaton as the school's natural rival for generations, and yet this has been met with total indifference from the Wheaton side of things.

Now Wheaton's coming back with some taunts and some energy of its own. Wheaton cares about this rivalry now. And I love it! When I asked John Born about the "Beat North Park" t-shirts, he grinned from ear to ear and said, "That's what respect looks like."

It took NPU until 2001, after going 0-20 against Wheaton in their first twenty matchups once the Park had made soccer a varsity sport in the early '80s, before the Vikings finally beat the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance. Heck, it took North Park until its seventh match against Wheaton just to score on them. So, yeah, carping about all of the Swedes on our roster? Music to our ears.

As for the Wheaton roster, it is still quite diverse with players from TN, MI, CA, NY, IN, NC and France. They have to cast their recruiting net a little wider because of the academic (30 ACT average) and religious requirements of the college.

It's still the most Illinois-centric roster on the Wheaton campus. In fact, it's more Illinois-centric than NPU's roster; you have 16 players from the Land of Lincoln, we have 15. That's probably the first time that that's ever happened in any sport as far as the two schools are concerned since Wheaton rejoined the CCIW in 1968-69.

Greg knows I like the Norwegian comments. Shoulda gone to St. Olaf....

Norwegians are used to living in the middle of nowhere as far as the main centers of civilization are concerned. Why compound the problem by moving to the U.S. to go to school for four years, only to spend it in a town that's an hour's drive from the nearest city? ;)

North Carolina Wesleyan is a school that recruits greatly out of the US. 18 out of the 31 players are currently from out of the country, and one that doesn't appear to be from anywhere  :o.

Two of NPU's Swedes, Jakob Aronsson and Robin Hals, transferred to the Park from North Carolina Wesleyan.

I actually have no problem with a school that plays all foreign players or no foreign players.  These kids are here to go to school and play soccer, who cares where they come from.

This.

I understand why Wheaton wants to make a big deal out of NPU's Swede-heavy lineup, but I can't honestly see what difference it makes.

Apparently these teams with a majority of foreign players isn't much of an issue since I cannot recall any of them every winning a title or even making themselves a reoccurring presence in the tourney.

Correlation does not equal causation. And since NPU's been in the last three tourneys, I'd say that the Vikings have qualified as a "reoccurring" [sic] presence in November.

Because this is DIII and not DI does being a foreign born player constitute cheating, maybe they might actually be attending for the education and not strictly the sport.  If they were here for the sport first and school second they would go somewhere that would pick up the check on tuition.

Precisely. What I don't think people realize is that higher education in Sweden is free. By contrast, if you're a Swede who wants to go overseas to attend college, you'll have to pay most of the bill for tuition and room & board out of your own pocket. The amount of aid that the Swedish government will give you to attend a foreign college or university is very limited, and the U.S. government won't give you anything at all. You can't blame the Swedish government for that, because it's a smart policy; it prevents a brain drain by providing a compelling economic incentive to the country's young people to stay home to get their education. But, as a result, unless you're going to America to attend school on a scholarship (soccer or otherwise), you're going to really need a compelling reason to do so. In other words, it's hardly the case that good Swedish soccer players are falling off the trees and NPU's just raking them up. It takes some persuasion. Fortunately, NPU has a lot of things to offer that young Swedes really like, a good soccer program being one of them.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 13, 2012, 09:37:26 pm
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Correlation does not equal causation. And since NPU's been in the last three tourneys, I'd say that the Vikings have qualified as a "reoccurring" [sic] presence in November.



Better check your dictionary before throwing an [sic] on it.  Making the tourney 3 years in a row and bowing out in the first and second rounds is hardly a presence.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: OskeeHawk on November 13, 2012, 10:12:42 pm
Being a Loras fan/alum this is hard to stand up for wheaton but I find it funny the line of hard getting Wheaton fans to care. That might be one of the coolest settings for a d3 soccer match. And I argue that they don't really care about north park that much because they have only been pseudo relevant for 7 years.
Respect is gained on the field not a t-shirt, if Born really did say that, that's just dumb.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on November 13, 2012, 10:30:58 pm
Oh, I don't know. Maybe the statement sounds dumb, but it is really a keen observation. Wheaton does indeed respect North Park soccer and has for quite some time.

But as Greg implied, some of this North Park/Wheaton thing is subtle, and has developed over time - and is probably meaningless and odd to those outside the discuss.

I think this kind of thing happens for many programs: one team in the conference dominates the other. Then, over time, the weaker team gets better and begins to give the historically stronger team some pain. After the original response of denial, a few losses by the strong team to the weaker team, and what do you know? Denial turns to respect, and a rivalry is created.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 13, 2012, 10:49:07 pm
Oh, I don't know. Maybe the statement sounds dumb, but it is really a keen observation. Wheaton does indeed respect North Park soccer and has for quite some time.

But as Greg implied, some of this North Park/Wheaton thing is subtle, and has developed over time - and is probably meaningless and odd to those outside the discuss.

I think this kind of thing happens for many programs: one team in the conference dominates the other. Then, over time, the weaker team gets better and begins to give the historically stronger team some pain. After the original response of denial, a few losses by the strong team to the weaker team, and what do you know? Denial turns to respect, and a rivalry is created.

Good post!  I recall arguing with CardinalAlum on the football board that the Big 4/Little 4 was still reality right up to about half way thru NCC's 3rd consecutive (of now 7, or is it 8?) football titles!  NCC had been a near-doormat team for so many years, it took a LONG time for the change to register. :P

iwu70 and I are of an era where Millikin was IWU's absolute top rival (that is the era of Millikin's Jesse Price, arguably the best bball player in CCIW history, whereas IWU was THE overall dominant bball team).  Now Millikin has been irrelevant for so long, I'm not sure current students consider them a rival at all (except in football, where IWU usually wins, but the games are almost always closer than they should be 'on paper').
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: OskeeHawk on November 13, 2012, 10:51:24 pm
Yeah I guess I just find it more funny of a statement than anything.
Totally agree that it takes time for rivalries to get going but I think those being chased always have a little bit of an edge.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2012, 10:53:21 pm
Correlation does not equal causation. And since NPU's been in the last three tourneys, I'd say that the Vikings have qualified as a "reoccurring" [sic] presence in November.



Better check your dictionary before throwing an [sic] on it.  Making the tourney 3 years in a row and bowing out in the first and second rounds is hardly a presence.

I don't think you realize what sic means. It means that the word in front of it has been quoted verbatim, usually indicating a spelling, lexical, or grammatical error. In this case, I used it because "reoccurring" is not a word. The word you're looking for is recurring. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/recurring?s=t&ld=1118)

And three straight appearances is a presence. It may not be a strong presence, but a presence it is.

Being a Loras fan/alum this is hard to stand up for wheaton but I find it funny the line of hard getting Wheaton fans to care. That might be one of the coolest settings for a d3 soccer match.

What does one thing have to do with the other? Yes, Joe Bean Stadium is a fantastic soccer stadium. No doubt about that at all. But having a great facility doesn't ipso facto mean that you're going to have a great fanbase.

Wheaton fans do turn out for soccer, I'll give them that. It's usually one of the top schools in D3 in terms of attendance, as far as soccer is concerned. But it's a sit-on-their-hands crowd. That's generally true of Wheaton fans in all sports.

And I argue that they don't really care about north park that much because they have only been pseudo relevant for 7 years.
Respect is gained on the field not a t-shirt, if Born really did say that, that's just dumb.

Wow, OskeeHawk. Way to completely miss the gist of the conversation. The point here is that Wheaton really does care about NPU now. Nor has NPU "only been psuedo relevant for 7 years." NPU first wrested the CCIW title away from Wheaton nine years ago, breaking a string of nine consecutive seasons in which Wheaton either shared the CCIW title or won it outright.

But you needn't take my word for it. Jim Matson's not only the d3soccer.com site administrator, he's also a Wheaton soccer alumnus. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: OskeeHawk on November 13, 2012, 11:06:46 pm
You'll have to forgive my math on the 7 versus 9 years, those private college math skills catching up to me again ;)

Let's pose this question, what are everyone's feelings on schools 'caring' about what other schools are doing? Is this the schools fan base, coaches or both?
Personally I would like to think that the coaches worry about their programs and running it their way and going out on the field and seeing what happens. Versus caring about what other programs are doing and getting wrapped up in all of that.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2012, 11:21:26 pm
I honestly don't think that John Born spends any time at all worrying about what Wheaton is doing. Why should he? It's completely out of his control. And I'm willing to bet that Michael Giuliano feels the same way about North Park. A good coach tends to his own business, because that's what you can control. It's not as though Born and Giuliano are going head-to-head for recruits. At least, I don't think that they are.

I know that John Born loves the rivalry, though, because it's a great motivational source for his players and a great draw for the NPU fanbase. I honestly don't know how Michael Giuliano feels about it, nor how Joe Bean felt about it before him. On the one hand, I could picture Joe Bean being annoyed at having an interloper at the top of a league that was once his private playground. But NPU's success has been a fact since before Giuliano took over the Wheaton program six years ago, so I'm sure that he views the NPU/WC rivalry differently than his predecessor did. I suspect that he might enjoy it, because: a) it provides the same motivational factor for his players that it does for their NPU counterparts; and b) it ratchets up the excitement among his team's fanbase (as was evidenced a week ago Saturday), same as it does for their NPU counterparts.

A strong archrivalry can be a pretty productive thing for the two schools involved. Look at how Calvin and Hope have made hay out of their rivalry over the years, as have Williams and Amherst, Wabash and DePauw, etc. It's a great rallying point for the schools involved.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: OskeeHawk on November 13, 2012, 11:32:11 pm
Couldn't agree more with the motivational factor for sure.
Rivalries are definitely a good thing to build excitement and with the more rivalries I think the credibility of the conference goes up as well.
I think all the good/great coaches in any sport could give a rip what other programs do. They may steal an idea or two here and there but tweak everything for their specific program. Coaches that struggle are ones that try to emulate others to a t and have no idea how to make it work for their program. I believe this leads to programs spinning their wheels and having no identity of their own all.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on November 13, 2012, 11:34:42 pm
I question Greg's take on the extent to which the Swedish government funds college education.  I may be wrong, but I thought NPU AD Surridge told me last year at a soccer game that the gov't doles out the entitlement program to college students with the expectation that he/she pays the balance over one's lifetime, thereby not saddling the student with crushing debt.  Since the kronor goes further these days with the American economy in decline, an American education in Chicago is attractive for several reasons, as Greg noted.  That said, how about North Park save money by eliminating the football team and sponsoring hockey so as to not only get more tuition dollars per athlete (guaranteed by the Swedish gov't), but also field a top-notch team?  Hjalmarsson, Lidstrom, Erikson, et. al. can kick in some seed money.  Throw in a Finn (like Niemi) for color.  There are very few postsecondary hockey teams in Illinois...Lake Forest and ?.  Grab some Minnesotans as well.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 13, 2012, 11:40:45 pm
I question Greg's take on the extent to which the Swedish government funds college education.  I may be wrong, but I thought NPU AD Surridge told me last year at a soccer game that the gov't doles out the entitlement program to college students with the expectation that he/she pays the balance over one's lifetime

Yes, that's true, Mark. It's called "paying taxes". ;)

Since the kronor goes further these days with the American economy in decline, an American education in Chicago is attractive for several reasons, as Greg noted.  That said, how about North Park save money by eliminating the football team and sponsoring hockey so as to not only get more tuition dollars per athlete (guaranteed by the Swedish gov't), but also field a top-notch team?  Hjalmarsson, Lidstrom, Erikson, et. al. can kick in some seed money.  Throw in a Finn (like Niemi) for color.  There are very few postsecondary hockey teams in Illinois...Lake Forest and ?.  Grab some Minnesotans as well.

We've been over this before, Mark. NPU cannot and will not eliminate football. The CCIW requires its members to sponsor football, men's basketball, and baseball.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Thunder1 on November 14, 2012, 01:00:27 am
"The Wheaton crowd cheered wildly" ... five words that have probably never appeared in the same sentence before. ;)

Touché on that one Sager. Most Wheaties are to busy studying or sipping latte's to care about a sporting event although they do tend to show up for "title" games. It has been that way for many years. Not sure why...
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 14, 2012, 09:20:06 am

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I don't think you realize what sic means. It means that the word in front of it has been quoted verbatim, usually indicating a spelling, lexical, or grammatical error. In this case, I used it because "reoccurring" is not a word. The word you're looking for is recurring. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/recurring?s=t&ld=1118)

And three straight appearances is a presence. It may not be a strong presence, but a presence it is.


I am well aware of what [sic] means.  You are correct that "recurring" is the proper word, but "reoccurring" is actually a word that has found it's way into the english language.  The word may not be accepted by Oxford, but it is found and described in precisely the same manor as "recurring"
Main Entry:   reoccur  [uh-kur]  Show IPA
Part of Speech:   verb
Definition:   return
Synonyms:   come back, go back, hark back, inverse, invert, lapse, recrudesce, recur, regress, relapse, resume, retrograde, retrogress, revert

when you go the extra mile to throw an [sic] at someone in a post you come across as extremely arrogant.  If I were writing a novel or even a sports article (which most these days are atrocious in their attempts at spelling and grammar) I might be a bit more attentive to the details, but when I use an acceptable word (apparently not by you) and you decide that you want to become my personal english professor it is more than a bit annoying.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Ibar on November 14, 2012, 02:02:53 pm
I am late to the party, but I have a few thoughts on the whole Wheaton/NPU rivalry...

First of all, There have always been teams in the CCIW that have come up and challenged Wheaton. Augustana, Carthage and North Park have been the main ones that challenged in the past but usually it was just for a season or two and then the next one would come up. Born and North Park have bucked that trend and are a legitimate threat every year at this point. The rest of the CCIW will produce a team or two every few years, but it is pretty much just Wheaton and North Park now which is an upgrade from just Wheaton.

As far as the Swede stuff goes, I could care less where their players come from. Nothing will change with that, and frankly, it is not like they are getting some crazy advantage from it. As someone stated before, they have yet to make any noise in the NCAA tourney. They are extremely relevant in the CCIW, but not nationally yet. If they keep making the tourney and have a nice run, then they will be there.

After NPU broke through against Wheaton around 04/05 (I was there for that unfortunately) most people around Wheaton figured it was a fluke. Those NPU teams were tough and defended for the majority of the games in their half but had some good strikers that were opportunistic. The NPU teams now are more well rounded and better for sure. North Park has clearly proved that it has staying power.

It has become a rivalry and I sense the current Wheaton teams do see it that way. It took us Wheatonites a while to come around and admit it but NPU is a true perennial challenger in the conference. It has been nice to see Wheaton bounce back after the last few disappointing seasons and will be interesting to see how things play out over the next few years with the strong young team Wheaton has.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on November 14, 2012, 02:28:37 pm
As the parent of a Wheaton player I can assure you Wheaton takes North Park seriously, and enjoys the rivalry.  I consider it good for both teams and for D3 soccer in general.

Agreed, it doesn't matter where the players grew up, though the current demographics do lend themselves to more flag-waving fun.

Wheaton has been on a roll lately.  13 game unbeaten streak; has outscored its opponents 18-1 over the last 527 minutes, going back seven games.  I hope this translates to continued success over the week-end....  Wheaton suffered early losses to both Dominican and Loras.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on November 16, 2012, 07:08:00 pm
Hollingsworth scores to put Wheaton up 1-0 over Dominican!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: d3fan1 on November 16, 2012, 07:51:41 pm
Wheaton advances 1-0 in a very exciting and well played game.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on November 25, 2012, 11:17:16 am
Nothing posted in over a week?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on November 26, 2012, 04:39:37 pm
Congrats to Wheaton on a great season. Young team with plenty of potential for the future. Big question mark in goal now, though.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on December 08, 2012, 06:55:57 pm
it's a little quiet in here (i know, i know, you're all over in the cciw basketball room right now, but...)

here is a multiple choice question and, yea, it's designed to rile up a few people.  please don't take it personally ...   ;D

the wheaton college soccer program has become ...
1) the north park of the chicago suburbs
2) the messiah of the midwest
3) both 1) and 2)
4) neither 1) or 2)

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on December 10, 2012, 08:57:23 am
#4, I think they are a better team than NP, but are not near dominate enough in the midwest to be considered #2. Loras is more than likely the one team in the midwest that would bear that title and respectfully wouldn't want it (who wants to be known as the anything of anything in your own Division?). Over the past 8 years Loras is 5-2-1 against the Thunder. I will say that Wheaton is the one match every year that worries me more than any other on the DuHawks schedule.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: gustiefan04 on December 10, 2012, 10:00:56 am
I think one could argue that Messiah is the "new" Wheaton. Wheaton has been in more NCAA tournaments than just about every school. While undeniably dominate, Messiah's success has come just in the last 10-12 years. Wheaton has been kicking butt and taking names for many decades.

Unfortunately I don't think any team is quite on Messiah's level at this time. I would echo Kickin in that Loras is probably the closest to that in the Midwest.

I don't get the North Park comparison. NP has a lot of talent, and they really have risen to be a contender in the CCIW. But they aren't anywhere near Wheaton with regard to conference championships, tournament appearances and success. Not trying to knock NP, I like their program, but they don't have the same longevity as Wheaton, yet.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on December 10, 2012, 01:33:50 pm
I agree with KICKIN95.  I do think Loras was a slightly better team than Wheaton this year.  The two teams played twice and both games could have gone either way (the regular season game was scoreless until about 6 minutes to play and was as equal as can be statistically.  The quarterfinal match was won by Loras 1-0, but Wheaton just missed a shot off a header to tie in the closing seconds that was just barely over the crossbar.  I'm  not saying Wheaton necessarily deserved to win either or both, but the teams are close in ability.

Wheaton has 10 starters back next year (all except the keeper), and I understand the bulk of Loras' scoring is back as well, so this should remain a good rivalry.

North Park is a respected opponent, but not nearly as good as Loras.  I do think North Park tends to be a Wheaton wannabee.  Nobody beats their fan section though.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 10, 2012, 07:49:10 pm
I don't get the North Park comparison. NP has a lot of talent, and they really have risen to be a contender in the CCIW. But they aren't anywhere near Wheaton with regard to conference championships, tournament appearances and success. Not trying to knock NP, I like their program, but they don't have the same longevity as Wheaton, yet.

Well, if longevity is your yardstick, nobody in the CCIW is ever going to be dominant other than Wheaton. Why? Because Wheaton not only excelled at soccer long before everybody else in the CCIW, it cared about soccer long before everybody else in the CCIW. Soccer is such a latecomer by CCIW standards that it wasn't even sanctioned as a sponsored sport by the league until 1988, over four decades after the league began -- and yet Wheaton's been playing the sport since 1935, and it's been going to NCAA tournaments since the mid-'70s. Heck, most CCIW schools didn't even start their soccer programs until after Wheaton had begun making the NCAA tourney on a regular basis; NPU, for example, didn't turn its' club team into a varsity program until 1982. Two CCIW schools started their soccer programs after the sport had already become sponsored by the league, Carthage in 1995 and Elmhurst in 2004. It's safe to say that the sport was an afterthought in most CCIW athletic departments right up into the last decade. So, yeah, Wheaton's been a strong program for a lot of years -- but to compare it historically to other CCIW teams makes no sense, because nobody else in the league really cared at all about the sport until relatively recently.

As for one program being better than another, I think that the more recent past is a better way to measure success than all-time achievements. Otherwise, you'd get into a situation in which people would be touting NPU for having won an unprecedented (by D3 standards) five national championships in men's basketball, when in present terms NPU is not very good at all in men's basketball, nor has it been good for quite awhile.

I do think North Park tends to be a Wheaton wannabee.

NPU doesn't want to be Wheaton in anything, aside from the size of the school's bank account. We have our own identity, our own mission, and our own way of doing things, thankyouverymuch. Wheaton is not the be-all and end-all of Christian colleges, you know, nor is it the template that every other Christian college administration seeks to imitate.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on December 11, 2012, 09:43:04 am

NPU doesn't want to be Wheaton in anything, aside from the size of the school's bank account. We have our own identity, our own mission, and our own way of doing things, thankyouverymuch. Wheaton is not the be-all and end-all of Christian colleges, you know, nor is it the template that every other Christian college administration seeks to imitate.
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That's a fair statement.  My reference is to the soccer team specifically, and the athletics program in general.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on December 11, 2012, 11:55:10 am
once again, mr. sager waxes eloquent, and i agree, 100 percent, with him.  my question wasn't meant to be about longevity -- it is about current-day, and maybe a few years before, when the current seniors were lowly freshmen.

wheaton's men have not come close to maintaining his historical achievements (as greg admitted, don't talk about npu's championship basketball teams either).  indeed, north park is on par with wheaton in terms of results, and its fan base is unquestionably better. 

i also agree with others who believe that loras currently deserves the title of 'the messiah of the midwest.'  it used to be that other schools would look at wheaton and be athletic wannabes in soccer.  i'm sure that loras would take its recent results over wheaton any day.

maybe this is opening up a whole can of worms (well, hey, my name is 'cciwrabblerouser') but why didn't wheaton go in-house in terms of hiring an alum when joe bean retired?  the most successful schools in division III have alums leading their best programs (wheaton did it by replacing bill harris with mike schauer, an alum, in basketball, and that program hasn't missed a beat) so why did the powers-that-be go with an 'outsider' who had nothing to do with all that tradition?  (messiah is a perfect example  of that, when they hired an experienced alum to succeed the 'legendary' dave brandt.  mccarty's teams haven't dropped at all in four years).

i'm just trying to get a handle on what has happened at wheaton over the past 5-10 years.  did the increased success of football put thunder soccer on a back-burner?  was it something else?  it's just curious to see a program drop back from national eminence, because once it does it's really, really difficult to regain that storied status.  just ask greg sager about that -- he saw it at his alma mommy in hoops.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on December 11, 2012, 01:14:42 pm
It's curious that you seem to be writing an obituary for a team that just missed the Final Four and who has nearly all its key players coming back next year.  Granted, the wheels seemed to come off for a couple of years, but the ship has been righted.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on December 11, 2012, 03:35:31 pm
augie77.  what you say, i cannot argue with.  the thunder  program is not dead so i'm mean to imply that.  but it hasn't been the same program that it was when it won its first and only national title back in 1984 and since joe bean retired and the team had that magical run (how else can that post-season run be described?) that fall? 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on December 11, 2012, 03:55:42 pm
augie77.  what you say, i cannot argue with.  the thunder  program is not dead so i'm mean to imply that.  but it hasn't been the same program that it was when it won its first and only national title back in 1984 and since joe bean retired and the team had that magical run (how else can that post-season run be described?) that fall?

Wheaton also won it all in 1997.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on December 11, 2012, 03:56:20 pm
once again, mr. sager waxes eloquent, and i agree, 100 percent, with him.  my question wasn't meant to be about longevity -- it is about current-day, and maybe a few years before, when the current seniors were lowly freshmen.

wheaton's men have not come close to maintaining his historical achievements (as greg admitted, don't talk about npu's championship basketball teams either).  indeed, north park is on par with wheaton in terms of results, and its fan base is unquestionably better. 

i also agree with others who believe that loras currently deserves the title of 'the messiah of the midwest.'  it used to be that other schools would look at wheaton and be athletic wannabes in soccer.  i'm sure that loras would take its recent results over wheaton any day.

maybe this is opening up a whole can of worms (well, hey, my name is 'cciwrabblerouser') but why didn't wheaton go in-house in terms of hiring an alum when joe bean retired?  the most successful schools in division III have alums leading their best programs (wheaton did it by replacing bill harris with mike schauer, an alum, in basketball, and that program hasn't missed a beat) so why did the powers-that-be go with an 'outsider' who had nothing to do with all that tradition?  (messiah is a perfect example  of that, when they hired an experienced alum to succeed the 'legendary' dave brandt.  mccarty's teams haven't dropped at all in four years).

i'm just trying to get a handle on what has happened at wheaton over the past 5-10 years.  did the increased success of football put thunder soccer on a back-burner?  was it something else?  it's just curious to see a program drop back from national eminence, because once it does it's really, really difficult to regain that storied status.  just ask greg sager about that -- he saw it at his alma mommy in hoops.

First of all, it's really hard to win in soccer. There's a lot of luck involved in games that routinely end in a 2-1 or 1-0 score. Also, D3 soccer is much better than it used to be across the nation, so better competition means more parity.
It's semi well-known that Wheaton did try to hire from within, but it didn't work out. So they went with Giuliano, who won a bunch of national titles at Westmont. Plus he's a great recruiter.
Last but not least, you seem to forget the 1997 Wheaton team that won a national title and was one of the great collections of talent you'll ever see at this level. Eric Brown and Rob Mouw would run right over these Loras and Messiah teams of recent vintage. And if you didn't see them, you missed out.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on December 12, 2012, 09:24:56 am
I think one could argue that Messiah is the "new" Wheaton. Wheaton has been in more NCAA tournaments than just about every school. While undeniably dominate, Messiah's success has come just in the last 10-12 years. Wheaton has been kicking butt and taking names for many decades.
One thing you might not realize about "Messiah success coming just in the last 10-12 years" is that they didn't join the NCAA until 13 years ago.  Before that they were in the NCCAA and had 2 titles under their belt in that league as well.  Their very first year in DIII they won the title and have not gone 2 consecutive years without winning it since!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: FalconFan on December 12, 2012, 10:41:40 am
Actually, Messiah joined the NCAA in 1981, and made final four appearances in '86 and '88.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on December 12, 2012, 02:17:04 pm
augie - you must have had a friend or relative play on wheaton's 1997 team.  this thread isn't about 'what team was better' anyway - your conjecture is silly and off-topic.

what is being said is that wheaton has indeed taken a step back - nothing more and nothing less.  the only other thing that is being discussed is wheaton's current position in division iii soccer NOW compared to others.  the concensus is that north park and wheaton are comparable (probably something that every thunder fan would call blamphemous), that loras is a step ahead of wheaton in the midwest, and the given, that messiah is the best right now.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on December 12, 2012, 03:40:23 pm
Rouser--The only reason for bringing up 1997 was to make a factual correction regarding Wheaton having won its "one and only" championship in 1994.  Agreed, that has no bearing on today.

I don't have a strong beef with the other contentions other than that Wheaton appears to be set up for continued improvement--more so than North Park in the immediate future.  Arguably North Park could claim the upper hand over the past three years (certainly they did better in 2010 and 2011), but in my view they need to sustain that level for a few more years to be called Wheaton's equal in soccer.  I'll be quite surprised if Wheaton's young team doesn't have the upper hand for the next three years based on current personnel.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on December 12, 2012, 04:38:40 pm
augie - you must have had a friend or relative play on wheaton's 1997 team.  this thread isn't about 'what team was better' anyway - your conjecture is silly and off-topic.

what is being said is that wheaton has indeed taken a step back - nothing more and nothing less.  the only other thing that is being discussed is wheaton's current position in division iii soccer NOW compared to others.  the concensus is that north park and wheaton are comparable (probably something that every thunder fan would call blamphemous), that loras is a step ahead of wheaton in the midwest, and the given, that messiah is the best right now.

Off topic? It was actually relevant since you forgot to include Wheaton's best team ever when discussing their history. They had an unbeaten streak around 66-straight games or so. And no relatives of mine were on that team, or any Wheaton team for that matter.
Not really sure what point you're trying to make anyway. We all agree that Wheaton is not a perennial dominator like in the past. It's just the nature of a changing sport that looks way different than it did 20-30 years ago. North Park is firmly on equal footing with them now, and will continue to be so as long as they have Coach Born and a good Swedish connection.
Loras is a soccer factory with lots of good in-roads to the players that fit their style of play, including some great Latino players. They are best in the region and will stay that way.
Messiah will also continue to dominate for similar reasons. They have a niche (Christian athlete) that they utilize very well, plus they're competing against Wheaton for recruits. One big difference is Messiah does not have football, so they devote their resources into making their soccer teams the best in the nation.
So to conclude, Wheaton < Loras < Messiah. Something we already knew for a number of years now.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: OhioSocYea on December 13, 2012, 03:01:23 am
Does Ohio Wesleyan count as a Midwest school, for purposes of D3 soccer? If so, they probably deserve to be mentioned in the tier right below Messiah.

If they don't count as a Midwest school, my apologies...
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on December 13, 2012, 08:21:04 am
Does Ohio Wesleyan count as a Midwest school, for purposes of D3 soccer? If so, they probably deserve to be mentioned in the tier right below Messiah.

I wouldn't count Ohio Wesleyan as a Midwest school, mostly due to the fact they are not an in-region opponent in any sport. Obviously, since Jay Martin broke Joe Bean's wins record, they are a top tier program that can't be denied.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on December 13, 2012, 11:24:11 am
Does Ohio Wesleyan count as a Midwest school, for purposes of D3 soccer? If so, they probably deserve to be mentioned in the tier right below Messiah.

If they don't count as a Midwest school, my apologies...

guess it all depends  on your definition of 'midwest' is.  if you go by the ncaa's regional designations then technically owu isn't 'midwest.'  however, based on u.s. geography, i would conclude that the midwest and great lakes designations would make both regions midwest.  i am inclined to call ohio wesleyan a midwest school -- certainly people in ohio would say that they live in the midwest part of the u.s.

you're right - owu's soccer history is rich in tradition.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on December 13, 2012, 11:34:31 am
blue_jays wrote:  "Messiah will also continue to dominate for similar reasons. They have a niche (Christian athlete) that they utilize very well, plus they're competing against Wheaton for recruits. One big difference is Messiah does not have football, so they devote their resources into making their soccer teams the best in the nation."

agree with some of it, disagree with most of it...  here's why:

agree:  messiah doesn't have football.  BUT it also doesn't have 80-120 football players who are paying tuition and could be considered to be helping fund a football program - as is the case of wheaton and all other football-playing schools.

disagree:  if you want to throw football into the mix, then you need to throw field hockey and lacrosse (men's and women') into the mix as well.  messiah has all three, and wheaton has none of them.  wheaton has women's water polo and women's golf, which messiah does not.  so to throw football as a program into your argument that wheaton (and other football schools) doesn't have the resources for soccer that wheaton does, that doesn't fly.

disagree:  you are assuming that messiah's soccer budgets outweigh wheaton's. i would like to see the evidence of that.  i'm talking about institutional funding.  what i believe IS different is that messiah's summer camp structure is unique -- it is very entrepreneurial and generates a lot of additional income, a percentage (about a quarter of the profits, i'been told) of it going to help fund the soccer programs.  whoever set up that particular camp arrangement was a genius - probably the head coach before dave brandt, who also was the AD (who, you could conclude, knew how to feather his own pocket as well with the arrangement).
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Jim Matson on December 13, 2012, 06:51:53 pm
Since Loras was brought into this, I would have to agree with those who have implied that the Duhawks are the new force in this area (they are technically in the North Region). That match with Messiah was Loras' to win had they converted on their opportunities. One of the best matches I have seen in the Final Four in a long time.

As a Wheaton grad, I love the North Park rivalry, but as a soccer guy, I also love the growing Loras rivalry.

If history is the topic, then it's Ohio Wesleyan, Wheaton, Trinity, Messiah...and a handful of others. But that history isn't much to rest on when the NCAA is picking Pool C berths!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 13, 2012, 11:11:56 pm
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NPU doesn't want to be Wheaton in anything, aside from the size of the school's bank account. We have our own identity, our own mission, and our own way of doing things, thankyouverymuch. Wheaton is not the be-all and end-all of Christian colleges, you know, nor is it the template that every other Christian college administration seeks to imitate.

That's a fair statement.  My reference is to the soccer team specifically, and the athletics program in general.

I would question both of those propositions. The NPU men's soccer program doesn't appear to me to be following a Wheaton model at all. NPU does not play the same style of game as Wheaton (the contrasting styles are part of what makes watching an NPU vs. WC contest so interesting), and the recruiting strategies of the two archrivals are, of course, radically different as well.

John Born would be the first to say how much he admires and respects Joe Bean. But admiring and respecting someone is one thing; imitating him is another. John's very much followed his own path to success with NPU soccer, and if he does have a model upon which he's built the program (I'm not sure if he does or not), it doesn't appear to be Wheaton.

As far as athletics in general is concerned, I don't see NPU as a Wheaton wannabe in that category, either. I suppose you could argue in a generic sense that NPU does want to have the across-the-board success that Wheaton has enjoyed in athletics as a whole ... but, remember, Steve, it's your alma mater and not your son's that has traditionally been the overall best in CCIW sports. If the league handed out All-Sports Trophies, Augustana would have enough of them to practically span the Mississippi River. So you could argue that NPU is an Augustana wannabe ... as is Wheaton, and Elmhurst, and Carthage, and everybody else.

(Including Augustana at the moment. ;))

I don't have a strong beef with the other contentions other than that Wheaton appears to be set up for continued improvement--more so than North Park in the immediate future.  Arguably North Park could claim the upper hand over the past three years (certainly they did better in 2010 and 2011), but in my view they need to sustain that level for a few more years to be called Wheaton's equal in soccer.  I'll be quite surprised if Wheaton's young team doesn't have the upper hand for the next three years based on current personnel.

I think that that's premature. Wheaton probably does have the most strength in terms of returnees, but one thing about NPU is that many of the players John Born has recruited have showed up at Foster & Kedzie ready to play at a high level as far as the CCIW is concerned, the Swedish players in particular. I would not hand the 2013 trophy to Wheaton just yet.

As for who is equal to whom, that's basically a matter of opinion. How far back do you go? The whole process of determining who's the best in recent history is prone to selection bias. For example, NPU's the only CCIW program that's made the D3 tourney in each of the past three seasons, and the only CCIW program that's played in the league tourney championship game in each of the past three seasons as well. But my citing those numbers is an example of my selection bias.

Over the past decade NPU has gone 7-6-3 against Wheaton. I'm pretty comfortable with saying that North Park is on equal footing with Wheaton now.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 20, 2012, 07:30:33 pm
Congrats to NPU for winning the NSCAA Team Academic Award for the seventh time in nine years. (http://athletics.northpark.edu/news/2012/12/20/MSOC_1220120216.aspx?path=msoc) NPU is one of only 187 colleges and universities in the country, and the only school in the CCIW, to have both the men's soccer team and the women's soccer team win the award this time around. (The Illinois Wesleyan and North Central men, and the Carthage and Millikin women, won the award as well.)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on January 08, 2013, 10:59:00 am
I know one Wheaton player is at least entertaining the idea of future graduate school at North Park (international business).   :-\
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 08, 2013, 06:26:01 pm
What a shame. His family's probably going to have to go into hiding in order to avoid public disgrace. ;) ;D
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on January 09, 2013, 02:46:52 pm
Mr. Sager, right you are.  You speak with considerable insight and wisdom  ;D
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 26, 2013, 08:34:51 pm
Congrats to newly-minted NPU grad Tim Ahlberg upon being named CCIW Man of the Year. (http://www.cciw.org/news/2013/6/25/MS_0625132632.aspx) It's a well-deserved honor. If you read his bio on the link to the CCIW new release, you'll see what an impressive young man he really is.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on June 29, 2013, 10:01:34 am
Good for Tim. He was always a top-notch goalie and he sounds just as impressive off the pitch.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 09, 2013, 07:48:54 pm
any word on new players coming in for North Park?  Also, any key, eligible players from last year's team not returning?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 09, 2013, 09:47:09 pm
I haven't seen John Born all summer, so I have nothing to report on NPU yet.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 24, 2013, 12:11:51 pm
North Park roster is up:  http://athletics.northpark.edu/roster.aspx?path=msoc&tab=soccer
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on August 25, 2013, 07:35:57 pm
Twelve freshmen, no Swedes.  Change in philosophy?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 25, 2013, 08:41:39 pm
Twelve freshmen, no Swedes.  Change in philosophy?

Not sure the answer, but there is a junior from Sweden that is new to the team this year.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on August 31, 2013, 03:02:09 pm
Looks like a pretty solid opening win for NP last night at Carroll U.  2-0,goals by Aronsson and Pettersson, a clean sheet with 3 saves from the transfer goalie Woodley.  Not a bad way to start.

It'll be interesting to see what North Central can do against them tomorrow.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 01, 2013, 06:05:49 pm
Looks like a pretty solid opening win for NP last night at Carroll U.  2-0,goals by Aronsson and Pettersson, a clean sheet with 3 saves from the transfer goalie Woodley.  Not a bad way to start.

It'll be interesting to see what North Central can do against them tomorrow.

 ??? NPU doesn't play again until Friday night at MSOE. And the Vikings won't face North Central until the end of October.

Wes Woodley's a D1 transfer who played at St. Francis (NY). He's very verbal on the field, which I like. The problem is that he's going to have a hard time making himself heard to his teammates during NPU home games, thanks to Foster's Finest. ;)

Twelve freshmen, no Swedes.  Change in philosophy?

No, just the ebb and flow of recruiting. There was a huge influx of Swedes over the past two years, making the team much more Svenskocentric than it had ever been. Prior to that, a typical NPU men's soccer team tended to have anywhere from two or three Swedes to a half-dozen or so.

There is one freshman from Sweden on the roster this year. You probably overlooked him because his name and appearance aren't very stereotypically Swedish. (http://athletics.northpark.edu/roster.aspx?rp_id=1184&path=msoc)

The dominance of the Swedes in the starting lineup tends to overshadow the fact that NPU's roster is actually something of a United Nations grab-bag. There are several Poles on the team, a Jordanian, a Norwegian, a Scotsman, an Englishman, a Colombian, an Ecuadorian, an Albanian, and a few other assorted Hispanic guys who may or may not be first-generation immigrants. And, of course, there's still a bunch of WASPy American guys to leaven out the mixture. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on September 01, 2013, 06:39:46 pm
Looks like a pretty solid opening win for NP last night at Carroll U.  2-0,goals by Aronsson and Pettersson, a clean sheet with 3 saves from the transfer goalie Woodley.  Not a bad way to start.

It'll be interesting to see what North Central can do against them tomorrow.

 ??? NPU doesn't play again until Friday night at MSOE. And the Vikings won't face North Central until the end of October.

North Central played Carroll today (they lost 1-0).
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 01, 2013, 06:42:21 pm
Ah, I see. I thought that you were talking about the Vikings. Carry on. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCF on September 07, 2013, 10:28:10 pm
Hope pulls off the upset and tops #4 Wheaton 2-1.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Ambush004 on September 09, 2013, 01:42:06 pm
NP gets manhandled by Loras? 3-0? There supposed to be a top team in the CCIW? I'd compare them to a Milikin or lesser.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on September 09, 2013, 09:00:02 pm
NP gets manhandled by Loras? 3-0? There supposed to be a top team in the CCIW? I'd compare them to a Milikin or lesser.
Loras finished last season ranked 2nd in the nation, so it's not like North Park got surprised by an unknown.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 09, 2013, 09:09:50 pm
NP gets manhandled by Loras? 3-0? There supposed to be a top team in the CCIW? I'd compare them to a Milikin or lesser.
Loras finished last season ranked 2nd in the nation, so it's not like North Park got surprised by an unknown.

I wasn't going to bother to reply to the ignorant troll, but since you did ... What a slur to NP!  Millikin is currently 0-4 (the only CCIW team with a losing record).  To put that into context, IWU (predicted for 6th) has played the same four teams that Millikin has played; IWU is 2-1-1.  The troll knows nothing about soccer, and has just insulted Loras.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Puerco Espin on September 09, 2013, 09:44:03 pm
NPU clearly just wasn't ready. Their lack of pressure allowed Loras to do whatever they wished. I haven't witnessed too much CCIW soccer, so maybe the low pressure is effective there, but they couldn't manage much when they had men in their face all night.

Also, it was NPU's third game of the year, so maybe they just need more time to come together. It's tough playing the #25 team as your third match of the year.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Ambush004 on September 10, 2013, 09:42:17 am
After the NPU and Loras match last year I expected alot more, I won't assume talented until proven in all formats of the game.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on September 17, 2013, 01:59:34 pm
A rough stretch for North Park.  They started out hot 2-0, and now they have gone 0-3-1 in their last 4 games.  And it doesn't get any easier with Dominican tonight.  Hopefully they can right the ship with a win tonight against an always good Dominican team. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 17, 2013, 02:49:55 pm
A rough stretch for North Park.  They started out hot 2-0, and now they have gone 0-3-1 in their last 4 games.  And it doesn't get any easier with Dominican tonight.  Hopefully they can right the ship with a win tonight against an always good Dominican team.

That match will be two teams trying to right their respective ships.  The DU Stars just dropped out of the d3soccer Top 25 after losing 2 straight home matches.  Last week #11, this week ORV #36 - quite a drop.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on September 17, 2013, 10:35:12 pm
A rough stretch for North Park.  They started out hot 2-0, and now they have gone 0-3-1 in their last 4 games.  And it doesn't get any easier with Dominican tonight.  Hopefully they can right the ship with a win tonight against an always good Dominican team.
Vikings come away with a 3-0 victory.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on September 18, 2013, 12:34:25 pm
I only watched the first half, but it sure seemed like North Park dominated the game.  They controlled the ball well, and I don't remember seeing any real chances for Dominican.  Was the second half similar?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 22, 2013, 08:37:20 am
I only watched the first half, but it sure seemed like North Park dominated the game.  They controlled the ball well, and I don't remember seeing any real chances for Dominican.  Was the second half similar?

NP dominated the 2nd half too.

Difficult to watch the game though because the camera kept going out of focus.  I watched a little of the Dubuque game as well and had the same problem.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on September 23, 2013, 04:18:32 pm
I only watched the first half, but it sure seemed like North Park dominated the game.  They controlled the ball well, and I don't remember seeing any real chances for Dominican.  Was the second half similar?

NP dominated the 2nd half too.

Difficult to watch the game though because the camera kept going out of focus.  I watched a little of the Dubuque game as well and had the same problem.

Yeah, that was brutal.  I hoped it was something they would work out at halftime of that Dominican game, but apparently not.  Hopefully they'll get it in order for the upcoming matches. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Medicated Pete on September 23, 2013, 10:53:42 pm
Difficult to watch the game though because the camera kept going out of focus.  I watched a little of the Dubuque game as well and had the same problem.
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Yeah, that was brutal.  I hoped it was something they would work out at halftime of that Dominican game, but apparently not.  Hopefully they'll get it in order for the upcoming matches.
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I think the camera is focusing on the Glass they are shooting through...and just can't focus right...Open the Window!!  :P
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Puerco Espin on September 25, 2013, 12:41:48 am
After seeing the Thunder tonight, I gotta imagine they will find themselves in position for another CCIW title. Quick midfielders help to transition through the pitch.

When compared to what I saw from North Park, Wheaton should have no problem taking care of business.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 02, 2013, 08:51:50 am
After seeing the Thunder tonight, I gotta imagine they will find themselves in position for another CCIW title. Quick midfielders help to transition through the pitch.

When compared to what I saw from North Park, Wheaton should have no problem taking care of business.

It will be fun to watch.  Its great to have legitimate rivalries and I know each team respects each other and looks forward to the game.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 02, 2013, 08:06:06 pm
Good win for NP last night against UWW.  3-0.  Glad Petterson found the back of the net a couple times. 

Looking forward to watching the Wheaton -Carthage game now.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 07, 2013, 06:28:14 pm
NP took another one on Friday 2-0 over Augie. 

The CCIW looks interesting right now.  Millikin is certainly a surprise, knocking off North Central, and hanging on for a tie against Carthage.  It makes me a little nervous for NP to take the trip down to Decatur at the end of the week!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on October 07, 2013, 11:14:57 pm
NPU has allowed only 8 goals in 11 games, and zero goals in their 7 wins and 1 tie.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 13, 2013, 12:20:57 pm
North Park had to work for the win yesterday at Millikin.  2-1 in OT.  Both teams looked flat in the first half.  The second half NP dominated until they scored their first goal to go up 1-0.  It looked like they let off the gas for a bit and Millikin came back to tie.  After that it was a lot of back and forth.  North Park definitely looked like the more determined team in OT though and scored the game winner just a few minutes in.  Definitely a nerve-wracking game.

Wheaton got caught for a tie at Elmhurst yesterday.  Is the CCIW a better overall conference this year?  Or are teams (like always) just bringing their A games against NP and Wheaton?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 18, 2013, 06:29:40 pm
Elmhurst grabbed a tie against NP also on Wednesday 1-1.  That would've been a great chance for NP to take control of the conference race.  I thought Park outplayed Elmhurt for the vast majority of the game.  Bad defense and being in the right place in the right time led to the Blue Jays' goal.  Park had 2-3 hit off the crossbar, including a wide-open diving header.  But Park just couldn't find the back of the net a second time.   
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: coffeeshoptheologian on October 19, 2013, 10:21:29 pm
Wheaton soccer grad here... Was anyone at IWU v Wheaton tonight? Seemed quite chippy and emotional. Looked like IWU got into Wheaton's heads a bit and a few WC guys lost it. WC come out with a 2-1 win, 3rd in 4 days. Anyone who was there wanna chime in?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 21, 2013, 01:35:10 pm
Yeah, that sure looked interesting.  Very uncharacteristic of a team who, going in to that game, only had 6 yellows on the season.  I'd be curious to know what was said that warranted that reaction from the Wheaton player. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Thunder1 on October 21, 2013, 06:57:26 pm
IWU basically went "Dennis Rodman" on Thunder.  Lots of cheap fouls behind the play, trash talking and diving.  IWU 21 fouls, WC 13.  Center ref let game get out of control.  Brutal slide tackle from behind in the 78th minute was last straw.  Broke the foot of one of WC's top players.  Might be out for the rest of the season.  WC guy went after the offender and got the red.  Played the last 12 mins down a man.  I used to have a lot of respect for IWU and coach Lakin.  They have had some great teams the last several years and can play "soccer" and always have played hard, but never cheap.  They went way over the line on Saturday.  Sad to see.......... WC boys were tired (3rd game in 4 days in a mid term finals week) and probably could have handled it a little better but at some point you have to say enough is enough.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 22, 2013, 01:36:20 pm
It sure looked chippy all game.  Sad to hear that player broke his foot, what a terrible thing to happen at this point in the season. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: augie77 on October 25, 2013, 06:19:28 pm
NSCAA-TV will be webcasting the November 1 (7:00 pm CDT) North Park at Wheaton game.  NSCAA-TV is a first rate outfit that will provide ESPN type graphics, instant replay, professional announcers and other features rarely found in D-3 sports broadcasts.  Look to the Wheaton website for further information as it is posted.

This will also be the final regular season home game for 13 Wheaton seniors, though formal senior night activities occurred last week-end versus Illinois Wesleyan.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 27, 2013, 12:18:25 pm
North Park grabbed the win at home against North Central last night 2-1.  With IWU knocking off Carthage, it moves NP into 2nd in conference and gives them a chance, with a win Friday at Wheaton, to share the regular season conference title with the Thunder. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on October 29, 2013, 05:02:37 pm
IWU basically went "Dennis Rodman" on Thunder.  Lots of cheap fouls behind the play, trash talking and diving.  IWU 21 fouls, WC 13.  Center ref let game get out of control.  Brutal slide tackle from behind in the 78th minute was last straw.  Broke the foot of one of WC's top players.  Might be out for the rest of the season.  WC guy went after the offender and got the red.  Played the last 12 mins down a man.  I used to have a lot of respect for IWU and coach Lakin.  They have had some great teams the last several years and can play "soccer" and always have played hard, but never cheap.  They went way over the line on Saturday.  Sad to see.......... WC boys were tired (3rd game in 4 days in a mid term finals week) and probably could have handled it a little better but at some point you have to say enough is enough.

It will do no good to get into a back and forth here, but your comments are without merit and moreso, without fact.  To my view, Wheaton was constantly late and dirty, which is atypical and disappointing of such a storied program.  To each is own - you have your opinion, and I have mine.

But where facts don't lie, the Wheaton player received the red card for shoving the ref.  You can't pin that one on IWU.

The most factual thing you said is that Wheaton was tired.  I believe one of the games (Benedictine) had to get shoe-horned into the schedule - I'm sure Coach G didn't want to do that to the kids.  Soccer is too intense of a game to play 3 games in 4 nights.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Thunder1 on October 30, 2013, 01:15:36 pm
IWU basically went "Dennis Rodman" on Thunder.  Lots of cheap fouls behind the play, trash talking and diving.  IWU 21 fouls, WC 13.  Center ref let game get out of control.  Brutal slide tackle from behind in the 78th minute was last straw.  Broke the foot of one of WC's top players.  Might be out for the rest of the season.  WC guy went after the offender and got the red.  Played the last 12 mins down a man.  I used to have a lot of respect for IWU and coach Lakin.  They have had some great teams the last several years and can play "soccer" and always have played hard, but never cheap.  They went way over the line on Saturday.  Sad to see.......... WC boys were tired (3rd game in 4 days in a mid term finals week) and probably could have handled it a little better but at some point you have to say enough is enough.

It will do no good to get into a back and forth here, but your comments are without merit and moreso, without fact.  To my view, Wheaton was constantly late and dirty, which is atypical and disappointing of such a storied program.  To each is own - you have your opinion, and I have mine.

But where facts don't lie, the Wheaton player received the red card for shoving the ref.  You can't pin that one on IWU.

The most factual thing you said is that Wheaton was tired.  I believe one of the games (Benedictine) had to get shoe-horned into the schedule - I'm sure Coach G didn't want to do that to the kids.  Soccer is too intense of a game to play 3 games in 4 nights.


Fair enough voiceofseason.  I can appreciate that someone might have a different opinion as to what transpired during the game.  Please keep in mind that my response was to someone who was NOT at the game looking for some context to the game statistics and why WC reacted, as you stated correctly, in an "atypical" manner.  Additionally, I was not condoning WC's behavior.  As I stated, I felt WC could have handled the situation better.  My point was that I felt it was in response to IWU.  I can understand your response to my statements of opinion, but to suggest that my comments were without merit and fact is disingenuous.

Facts from previous statement

Fouls.  IWU 21  WC  13 
Slide tackle from behind broke the foot of one of WC's top players in 78th minute.  Out the rest of the season.
WC got a red after that foul
Played last 12 mins a man down
3rd game in 4 days for WC

Just the foul totals alone would suggest who was instigating that type of play
Slide tackle from behind ends the season of one of WC's top players.  Enough said.
Was not trying to "pin" the red card on IWU.  He deserved the card.  And yes, he did push the referee (who was trying to restrain him from going after the offending player)

Additional facts to consider

Prior to that game, WC had a total of 5 yc's in the previous 15 games
In that same time period IWU had 21 yc's

Why would a team who has had only 5 yc's in 15 games get 6 cards in one game?  It was a fair question to ask.

The facts are pretty clear, but I guess the answer to that question is a matter of opinion.............

No hard feelings voiceofseason.  I appreciate your comments.  Just calling it as I see it.  Good luck against NC.  If the boys meet again, hopefully BOTH sides will be better behaved.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on November 02, 2013, 11:57:09 am
Great win by the Thunder over NPU in a match they dominated for long stretches. Golz getting his 15th goal late off yet another header. Smells like an All-American season for him.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on November 02, 2013, 01:04:54 pm
Great win by the Thunder over NPU in a match they dominated for long stretches. Golz getting his 15th goal late off yet another header. Smells like an All-American season for him.

Watched a bit of the game on the internet yesterday.  Looked like Wheaton pretty much dominated the first half and was pretty even in the second.

North Park seems to struggle when playing against quick, athletic teams.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on November 03, 2013, 09:48:34 am
IWU basically went "Dennis Rodman" on Thunder.  Lots of cheap fouls behind the play, trash talking and diving.  IWU 21 fouls, WC 13.  Center ref let game get out of control.  Brutal slide tackle from behind in the 78th minute was last straw.  Broke the foot of one of WC's top players.  Might be out for the rest of the season.  WC guy went after the offender and got the red.  Played the last 12 mins down a man.  I used to have a lot of respect for IWU and coach Lakin.  They have had some great teams the last several years and can play "soccer" and always have played hard, but never cheap.  They went way over the line on Saturday.  Sad to see.......... WC boys were tired (3rd game in 4 days in a mid term finals week) and probably could have handled it a little better but at some point you have to say enough is enough.

It will do no good to get into a back and forth here, but your comments are without merit and moreso, without fact.  To my view, Wheaton was constantly late and dirty, which is atypical and disappointing of such a storied program.  To each is own - you have your opinion, and I have mine.

But where facts don't lie, the Wheaton player received the red card for shoving the ref.  You can't pin that one on IWU.

The most factual thing you said is that Wheaton was tired.  I believe one of the games (Benedictine) had to get shoe-horned into the schedule - I'm sure Coach G didn't want to do that to the kids.  Soccer is too intense of a game to play 3 games in 4 nights.


Fair enough voiceofseason.  I can appreciate that someone might have a different opinion as to what transpired during the game.  Please keep in mind that my response was to someone who was NOT at the game looking for some context to the game statistics and why WC reacted, as you stated correctly, in an "atypical" manner.  Additionally, I was not condoning WC's behavior.  As I stated, I felt WC could have handled the situation better.  My point was that I felt it was in response to IWU.  I can understand your response to my statements of opinion, but to suggest that my comments were without merit and fact is disingenuous.

Facts from previous statement

Fouls.  IWU 21  WC  13 
Slide tackle from behind broke the foot of one of WC's top players in 78th minute.  Out the rest of the season.
WC got a red after that foul
Played last 12 mins a man down
3rd game in 4 days for WC

Just the foul totals alone would suggest who was instigating that type of play
Slide tackle from behind ends the season of one of WC's top players.  Enough said.
Was not trying to "pin" the red card on IWU.  He deserved the card.  And yes, he did push the referee (who was trying to restrain him from going after the offending player)

Additional facts to consider

Prior to that game, WC had a total of 5 yc's in the previous 15 games
In that same time period IWU had 21 yc's

Why would a team who has had only 5 yc's in 15 games get 6 cards in one game?  It was a fair question to ask.

The facts are pretty clear, but I guess the answer to that question is a matter of opinion.............

No hard feelings voiceofseason.  I appreciate your comments.  Just calling it as I see it.  Good luck against NC.  If the boys meet again, hopefully BOTH sides will be better behaved.

I am here to tell you both sides were equally aggressive.  There is archived film of the game if you care to watch it.

Wheaton had five YC's in that game alone. 

My initial response was predicated by your remarks about not respecting Coach Lakin, and by inferring he had formulated a game plan to draw Wheaton into a match of thuggery.  That couldn't be further from the truth.  I have other thoughts,  but I'm just going to leave it here.

Good luck to the Thunder in the tournament.  Based on ability, I said at the start of the season I thought they would win the national title this year.  Some of that was from seeing them play, some of that was assumption about the incoming players.  We shall see.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 05, 2013, 09:29:27 pm
The Wheaton v NP match is a hackfest! I have been watching since the start of the 2nd half and there has been 5 yellows and 2 that should have red cards.  Crazy stuff!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on November 05, 2013, 09:44:49 pm
And already someone sent off for Wheaton, yeah? 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 05, 2013, 10:06:47 pm
I just realized that after Wheaton scored to equalize things they were playing down 1.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on November 05, 2013, 10:08:20 pm
I just realized that after Wheaton scored to equalize things they were playing down 1.
Going into overtime; by my count, there have been seven yellow cards and two reds (one for each team).  All but one card issued in the second half.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on November 05, 2013, 10:15:58 pm
I just realized that after Wheaton scored to equalize things they were playing down 1.

Wheaton scored when it was 10 v 10.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 05, 2013, 10:23:04 pm
I didn't even to think to count NP's players.  When these teams lose players?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on November 05, 2013, 10:28:01 pm
I didn't even to think to count NP's players.  When these teams lose players?

55th for Wheaton 74 for NP.

I didn't see the Wheaton red.  2nd yellow for NP.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 05, 2013, 10:31:19 pm
Wheaton's must have been the slide tackle and NP was the take down just outside the box.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 05, 2013, 10:32:29 pm
Surprised by no commentary tonight?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on November 05, 2013, 10:33:06 pm
I didn't even to think to count NP's players.  When these teams lose players?

55th for Wheaton 74 for NP.

I didn't see the Wheaton red.  2nd yellow for NP.
According to Live Stats, the Wheaton player had a yellow card at ~55m and then another foul about 15 second later and was issued a red card.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on November 05, 2013, 10:40:31 pm
All tied up after two OT's.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on November 05, 2013, 10:40:54 pm
All tied up after two OT's.

Penalty kicks - so much pressure.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on November 05, 2013, 10:46:18 pm
Not sure the live stats will update the Pks, any chance you gentlemen could keep me up to speed?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on November 05, 2013, 10:46:58 pm
I switched to the video feed and it looks like Wheaton won on PKs.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: casualfan on November 05, 2013, 10:48:06 pm
Wheaton wins 5-3 on Penalties. The Wheaton keeper made one save on NP's third shot and Wheaton made all 5 shooting first.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on November 05, 2013, 10:50:35 pm
I don't think NP has ever won on Pks.

What do we think?  Is that the season for NP?  Or will they sneak in with a pool C in a weak Midwest region?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: thePietist on November 05, 2013, 10:52:22 pm
The Golz bros. spoil again in 11th hour theatrics...  I believe that makes 3 NP v WC games in a row that a Golz (different one each time) has scored with less than 5 minutes remaining.   >:(

I have to believe a pool C bid is likely considering their losses against strong teams.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: mr_b on November 05, 2013, 10:57:15 pm
I don't think NP has ever won on Pks.

What do we think?  Is that the season for NP?  Or will they sneak in with a pool C in a weak Midwest region?
How many Pool C bids are there for the Midwest?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: casualfan on November 05, 2013, 10:57:39 pm
If I had to guess, an 11-5-3 record is probably not good enough. Two questionable losses to Alma and Olivet and a draw with Concordia Wisconsin on top of a 3-0 loss to Loras puts them on the bubble. We'll see though..
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: gustiefan04 on November 05, 2013, 11:10:30 pm
There is no set number of Pool C bids per region.

I think NPU is definitely on the bubble. Likely they needed a strong showing in the CCIW playoffs to be awarded a Pool C. But you never know...
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Thunder1 on November 06, 2013, 12:04:52 am
There is no set number of Pool C bids per region.

I think NPU is definitely on the bubble. Likely they needed a strong showing in the CCIW playoffs to be awarded a Pool C. But you never know...

The game tonight vs Wheaton officially went down as a tie (PK's were because of conference tournament).  So, North Park has a one goal loss and a tie against the #1 team in the region in their last two games.  Yes, they did have a couple bad losses but they were early in the season.  It would be a shame for them not to make the tournament.  They won their first round NCAA Tournament game handily last year (4-1 vs Wash U) and gave Loras all that they could handle in a 0-1 game in the second round with essentially the same team.  They may be on the bubble but I think they should get in.  We will see....... Jonas Peterson is probably the most dangerous player I've seen in the last couple years.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: gustiefan04 on November 06, 2013, 01:10:57 am
Don't get me wrong, NPU has a nice program/team.

Overall Record: 11-5-3
Most Recent NCAA Rank: 2
SOS: .592

NPU at a Glance, actually looks to be in good shape... strong SOS, etc.

But when you look a little closer, I'm actually a bit surprised they are ranked as high as they are currently by the NCAA.They were the CCIW #4 seed. They tied and lost to the #2 (Elmhurst) & #3 (Carthage) CCIW teams, respectively. Yet NPU is ranked higher than both by the NCAA.

Just goes to show how important SOS is in the ranking/selection process for the NCAA.

It actually looks like NPU is missing a signature win...I guess you could consider the 3-0 result against Dominican a strong one, but DU is kind of having a down year, by their typical standards and aren't even ranked by the NCAA.

As long as a good majority of the AQ "Favorites" actually win their AQ's, NPU may actually be in better shape than I initially thought....

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 06, 2013, 09:23:10 am
There is no set number of Pool C bids per region.

I think NPU is definitely on the bubble. Likely they needed a strong showing in the CCIW playoffs to be awarded a Pool C. But you never know...

The game tonight vs Wheaton officially went down as a tie (PK's were because of conference tournament).  So, North Park has a one goal loss and a tie against the #1 team in the region in their last two games.  Yes, they did have a couple bad losses but they were early in the season.  It would be a shame for them not to make the tournament.  They won their first round NCAA Tournament game handily last year (4-1 vs Wash U) and gave Loras all that they could handle in a 0-1 game in the second round with essentially the same team.  They may be on the bubble but I think they should get in.  We will see....... Jonas Peterson is probably the most dangerous player I've seen in the last couple years.
The problem is the Central Region is quite weak this year and that doesn't bode well for NP on the outside looking in.  I disagree with the statement that NP gave Loras "All they could handle" last year in the tourney.  I was at the match and Loras handled them throughout until Loras scored with 12 minutes remaining and NP had to go all out to try and get an equalizer.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on November 06, 2013, 01:59:53 pm
The other win that looked like it could be really helpful was 3-0 over UWW, but they haven't been as good a team as they initially looked... 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: wheels81 on November 16, 2013, 04:32:20 pm
Too bad some disgruntled North Park fans decided to egg Wheaton's sports center.  It was a very expensive and time consuming job to remove.  Now we got to check for embryonic chickens on future North Park visitors.  Maybe it's a Scandinavian soccer tradition that their Swedish players brought from over. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: cciwrabblerouser on November 16, 2013, 04:47:39 pm
Too bad some disgruntled North Park fans decided to egg Wheaton's sports center.  It was a very expensive and time consuming job to remove.  Now we got to check for embryonic chickens on future North Park visitors.  Maybe it's a Scandinavian soccer tradition that their Swedish players brought from over.

huh?  details?  what happened?  related to soccer?  inquiring minds (as well as prof. sager) want to know ...
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Ryan Harmanis on November 16, 2013, 07:11:56 pm
Wheaton and Kenyon still scoreless early in the second half.  Wheaton just had one come back off the crossbar.  Wheaton has had more possession but pretty even with chances, as Kenyon missed a breakaway and a sitter from 12 yards out.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Ryan Harmanis on November 16, 2013, 07:57:48 pm
Rain delay sees Wheaton come out on fire only to go down 1-0 to Kenyon.  Looked like an overhit cross that snuck in the upper-90 back post, although I'm sure the player would claim it was intentional.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Ryan Harmanis on November 16, 2013, 07:58:42 pm
And 60 seconds later it's 2-0. Wheaton is on the ropes with less than 15 minutes remaining.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Ryan Harmanis on November 16, 2013, 08:02:08 pm
And now it's 2-1 as Wheaton takes a quick free kick to halve the deficit.  This game has gone crazy.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on May 05, 2014, 11:38:18 am
Carroll University will be a great addition to the CCIW for soccer.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: casualfan on May 05, 2014, 12:44:47 pm
Great for the CCIW for expanding. But to be honest, Carroll will be lucky to even make the CCIW Conference Tournament. I see the Pioneers sitting alongside the likes of Millikin and Augustana outside of the conference tournament year after year. But maybe the CCIW moves it to 6 teams with the addition?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: MidwestAficionado on May 05, 2014, 07:52:42 pm
Great for the CCIW for expanding. But to be honest, Carroll will be lucky to even make the CCIW Conference Tournament. I see the Pioneers sitting alongside the likes of Millikin and Augustana outside of the conference tournament year after year. But maybe the CCIW moves it to 6 teams with the addition?

They would be sitting on the outside with North Central and Illinois Wesleyan as well... You do pose a great question though, with 9 soccer teams does the CCIW move to more teams in the conference tournament? My guess is no at this point but maybe something to lobby for.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on May 22, 2014, 11:10:25 pm
Ryan Lakin has left Illinois Wesleyan to take the head job at Aurora University.  Releases are on both school's athletic websites.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: MidwestAficionado on May 23, 2014, 01:46:04 pm
Ryan Lakin has left Illinois Wesleyan to take the head job at Aurora University.  Releases are on both school's athletic websites.

What does this instability do to IWU looking at 2014 and the near future? Kind of tough looking for a new head coach in late May when you're on the outside looking in at the CCIW...
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Titan Q on June 23, 2014, 12:46:55 pm
Chad Jones of Millikin probably gonna have a look and then Chris Bergman from Lake Forest might apply (he was a finalist for Case). Matt Edwards from Knox might be another?

Your e-mail address is "medwards@knox.edu."  You are Matt Edwards, right?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: voiceofseason on July 15, 2014, 02:18:30 pm
For those that maybe haven't heard, Illinois Wesleyan hired a new coach recently.

http://www.iwusports.com/news/2014/7/7/MSOC_0707141820.aspx (http://www.iwusports.com/news/2014/7/7/MSOC_0707141820.aspx)

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 25, 2014, 10:37:49 pm
I'm not sure why no one has posted this yet, but this upcoming season will be Mike Giuliano's swan song at Wheaton (http://www.cciw.org/news/2014/5/12/MS_0512143103.aspx).
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on July 27, 2014, 09:19:30 am
I'm not sure why no one has posted this yet, but this upcoming season will be Mike Giuliano's swan song at Wheaton (http://www.cciw.org/news/2014/5/12/MS_0512143103.aspx).

Sounds like they have a great dream to pursue - also nice to have a planned transition that gives Wheaton plenty of time to find a replacement.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KnightFalcon on July 29, 2014, 08:54:16 pm
I'm not sure why no one has posted this yet, but this upcoming season will be Mike Giuliano's swan song at Wheaton (http://www.cciw.org/news/2014/5/12/MS_0512143103.aspx).

Actually there was a discussion about it back on May 13 in the "2013 Coaching Changes" (yes, misleading title) discussion. Some posters offered their thoughts on replacement candidates too.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 04, 2014, 12:20:24 am
Wheaton certainly has the talent to make a deep run this year.  But I wonder how Coach Giuliano's announced departure this will impact Wheaton's 2015 recruiting class.  Who will be doing the recruiting for that class which is taking place right now?  How can recruits commit if they don't know who the coach will be?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on August 13, 2014, 11:24:07 am
The Rutgers University-Newark men's home soccer match against Stevens Institute will be one of only three NCAA Division III contests televised as part of National Soccer Coaches Association of America (NSCAA) Small College Game of the Week series

The other NCAA D-III matches on the weekly series involve perennial NCAA contenders from the Midwest.  Wheaton takes on Calvin on September 5 while Ohio Northern travels to Ohio Wesleyan for the "Battle of the Ohio's" on September 17.


http://www.nscaatv.com/schedule




Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 14, 2014, 10:22:51 pm
These should all be great games.  Awesome to see D3 soccer continuing to get "air-time".
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 15, 2014, 08:45:32 pm
I'm not sure why no one has posted this yet, but this upcoming season will be Mike Giuliano's swan song at Wheaton (http://www.cciw.org/news/2014/5/12/MS_0512143103.aspx).

Actually there was a discussion about it back on May 13 in the "2013 Coaching Changes" (yes, misleading title) discussion. Some posters offered their thoughts on replacement candidates too.

Thanks for the heads-up. But news of the decision should've been posted here in the CCIW room.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on August 22, 2014, 10:05:31 pm
A CCIW institution got the NCAA to investigate - fairly recently - the legitimacy of NPU's Swedish soccer players.  The NCAA deemed North Park in full compliance.  I do not know the filer.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 23, 2014, 01:47:43 pm
I do. ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: MidwestAficionado on August 23, 2014, 03:18:17 pm
That's some Bruce Pearl BS if you ask me. Coaches should worry about their own program and leave it at that.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 23, 2014, 11:57:45 pm
I agree, but, then again, I'm not exactly an unbiased observer in this instance.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: MidwestAficionado on August 24, 2014, 12:34:50 pm
Anyone attend the Wheaton exhibition yesterday evening? Match report?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 24, 2014, 08:42:31 pm
NPU roster up:  http://athletics.northpark.edu/roster.aspx?path=msoc&tab=soccer

Jonas Pettersson appears not to have returned for his senior season. ???
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: KnightFalcon on August 26, 2014, 09:36:18 pm
Anyone attend the Wheaton exhibition yesterday evening? Match report?
yes I was there. Wheaton looked pretty good - moved the ball, good possession ... Looked more composed than they did at times last year. They won 3-2 but held most of the possession. Benedictine wasn't very strong but it was still a good first showing for Wheaton which took leads of 1-0 and 3-1. Benedictine tied it just before the half against the run of play and then added a PK with just a minute or so left in the game.

Hollingsworth played in the middle with Borge and was very active ... Will be interesting to see how effective he will be if he does not play up top. I believe Wheaton wants to move Noah Anthony up there from the back line. Nice goal by the freshman Lenderink too.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 30, 2014, 10:22:36 am
NPU defeated Benedictine 3-0.  It looks like NPU has a chance to a very strong year - good collection of newcomers.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on August 30, 2014, 01:57:27 pm
That's some Bruce Pearl BS if you ask me. Coaches should worry about their own program and leave it at that.
I disagree. People have been grumbling about the semi pro Swedes that NPU has gotten for a number of years now, beyond just Wheaton. Wasn't Kris Grahn like 28 in his senior season? Glad the NCAA looked into it, and if it's cleared and above board, so much the better. It won't stop the grumbling, but maybe it will curtail it a bit.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 30, 2014, 04:06:10 pm
That's some Bruce Pearl BS if you ask me. Coaches should worry about their own program and leave it at that.
I disagree. People have been grumbling about the semi pro Swedes that NPU has gotten for a number of years now, beyond just Wheaton. Wasn't Kris Grahn like 28 in his senior season? Glad the NCAA looked into it, and if it's cleared and above board, so much the better. It won't stop the grumbling, but maybe it will curtail it a bit.

I am biased, but seems only like sour grapes.  The assumption would have been that North Park intended to break rules and throw it in front of everyone's face - it wasn't like they were trying to hide anything (age, location, club teams, etc)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on August 30, 2014, 04:26:57 pm
Unlike football, basketball (both genders), and baseball, IWU usually sucks at soccer.  Anyone know what the prospects look like for this season?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 01, 2014, 05:31:20 pm
That's some Bruce Pearl BS if you ask me. Coaches should worry about their own program and leave it at that.
I disagree. People have been grumbling about the semi pro Swedes that NPU has gotten for a number of years now, beyond just Wheaton.

Then those people are ignorant, because none of NPU's Swedes have been "semipro" players. They've all been amateurs, as has been confirmed by the NCAA.

Wasn't Kris Grahn like 28 in his senior season?

No, but even if he had been it wouldn't have made any difference. There's no age limit in D3 athletics.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 01, 2014, 06:01:52 pm
NPU beat St. Mary's (MN) today, 4-1. It wasn't much of a contest, as the Cardinals aren't very good -- aside from a brief hiccup of a couple of minutes around the 80:00 mark when SMU scored its goal and got four of its six SOG, the Cardinals hardly even threatened Wes Woodley at all -- but it was interesting to see all the freshmen that John Born is playing. Three started, four others saw heavy minutes, and a couple of others saw some late tick once the match was in the bag. It looks like the NPU coaching staff's come up with a pretty serious crop of plebes. There seems to be a higher cumulative level of ball skills and creativity among these freshmen than I've seen in the past few classes. Two of the frosh, Nathaniel Paisley and Stany Lokamba, scored goals today that were jaw-dropping individual plays.

It remains to be seen how well they're able to mesh their individual skills with the team, as well as how well they cope with the rigors of CCIW play. And the Vikings' season is still going to come down to how far the veteran core of Greiff, Damberg, Fodstad, Zabielski, Lashlee, Tahmi-Masoleh, Ostberg, and Woodley can take them.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 01, 2014, 06:07:12 pm
That's some Bruce Pearl BS if you ask me. Coaches should worry about their own program and leave it at that.
I disagree. People have been grumbling about the semi pro Swedes that NPU has gotten for a number of years now, beyond just Wheaton.

Then those people are ignorant, because none of NPU's Swedes have been "semipro" players. They've all been amateurs, as has been confirmed by the NCAA.

Wasn't Kris Grahn like 28 in his senior season?

No, but even if he had been it wouldn't have made any difference. There's no age limit in D3 athletics.

Sweden has a very structured club system:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_football_league_system

I think only the top 2 levels pay their players.  I think most of NPU's Swedes are usually from Divisions 4 - 6 or something like that - with a player occasionally from a higher division (not to be confused with level), like Jonas Petterson and Kris Grahn.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: matblake on September 20, 2014, 09:10:46 am
Wheaton beats Bethel 2-0.  Here's a highlight of one of the goals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYNwKRwBzHw&index=1&list=UUc7gBoPNxd3EmNnzGNtKOYw
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: SuperSub15 on September 20, 2014, 09:58:35 am
Carthage with a huge 3-0 win over Wartburg.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Purplegatorade on September 24, 2014, 02:29:14 pm
Unlike football, basketball (both genders), and baseball, IWU usually sucks at soccer.  Anyone know what the prospects look like for this season?

Are you saying that IWU women are not good at soccer?  From what I can gather they have been consistently ranked in the region and in the nation.  Not to mention making NCAA tournament appearances.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on October 04, 2014, 09:51:54 pm
Anyone know if NPU stud Grahn stuck around the USA or has he left after earning a graduate degree?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 05, 2014, 08:48:22 am
Anyone know if NPU stud Grahn stuck around the USA or has he left after earning a graduate degree?

He is the associate head coach of the NPU soccer team:  http://athletics.northpark.edu/coaches.aspx?rc=244&path=msoc
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCC26 on October 07, 2014, 03:59:14 pm
Don't take the cardinals lighly NPU.  This is a very young and hungry team.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 07, 2014, 05:04:38 pm
NPU doesn't take anybody lightly. John Born didn't get the program to where it is by overlooking opponents.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: MidwestAficionado on October 08, 2014, 02:57:46 pm
Don't take the cardinals lighly NPU.  This is a very young and hungry team.

NCC know how to win but their style and tactics are so elementary. I saw them play a game where they were up a man for 70+ minutes but couldn't break the team down until the 80th minute because they couldn't complete 5 passes in a row. If NPU can defend a long ball or set piece and take care of their opportunities, I would expect a 2-0 or even 3-0 victory.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCC26 on October 08, 2014, 03:51:38 pm
That's due to the youth of this team.  I'm sure coach Klosterman will have them ready.  I don't expect NCC to win, but it sure is nice to talk about them as NCC soccer hasn't been relevant in the CCIW for a looooooooong time.  Don't know if I'll be at game or not (son has birthday and we'll be coming home from a youth game in rockford late)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: SuperSub15 on October 08, 2014, 05:11:42 pm
Not to mention Carthage dominated most of the game. Bad decision by their keeper cost them the game winner. By no means am I saying NCC is a bad team. I agree with Midwest, NPU will need to take care of their opportunities. Something Carthage could not do and it cost them.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: MidwestAficionado on October 08, 2014, 11:31:05 pm
That's due to the youth of this team.  I'm sure coach Klosterman will have them ready.

I'm sure he'll have them ready, they always have good fight - just not much soccer.

Plus, NCC's most usual starting lineup has 3 seniors and 4 juniors... so a bit inaccurate of a statement to claim their youth is the reason.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: casualfan on October 09, 2014, 11:10:47 am
UWW takes down North Park??? Any insight from anyone at the game? Stats look very even with UWW with the edge in shots and NPU with the edge in corners. Big win for the Warhawks and the WIAC.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: dontshootthegoose on October 09, 2014, 02:27:13 pm
Heard from an inside source that it could have been more than 1-0. North park's goalie came up huge and stopped 3 separate breakaways. North parks only chance was from a laser 30 yards out that hit the cross bar. It sounded like UWW simply out played them.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCC26 on October 09, 2014, 04:36:04 pm
That's due to the youth of this team.  I'm sure coach Klosterman will have them ready.

I'm sure he'll have them ready, they always have good fight - just not much soccer.

Plus, NCC's most usual starting lineup has 3 seniors and 4 juniors... so a bit inaccurate of a statement to claim their youth is the reason.

Not an inaccurate statement at all, only 4 returning starters from last year.  One senior who has never played college soccer, until now.  A junior who missed out last year.  He rotates several freshmen in throughout the game. If they can maintain possession, I give them a punchers chance.

As far as game goes.. we'll see. :)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: MidwestAficionado on October 09, 2014, 05:54:42 pm
That's due to the youth of this team.  I'm sure coach Klosterman will have them ready.

I'm sure he'll have them ready, they always have good fight - just not much soccer.

Plus, NCC's most usual starting lineup has 3 seniors and 4 juniors... so a bit inaccurate of a statement to claim their youth is the reason.

Not an inaccurate statement at all, only 4 returning starters from last year.  One senior who has never played college soccer, until now.  A junior who missed out last year.  He rotates several freshmen in throughout the game. If they can maintain possession, I give them a punchers chance.

As far as game goes.. we'll see. :)

Inexperience and youth, while they often go hand in hand, are two very different things. Still an inaccurate statement. I doubt they'll have a chance given NPU should be pretty pissed off with the loss to UWW
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 09, 2014, 09:18:32 pm
Sometimes you've just gotta give credit to the other side. I talked with one of the NPU starters tonight, and he told me that over the last twenty minutes of the match the Vikings played only three back and just hammered the Warhawks in the front third with a lot of very good chances -- but UWW held.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on October 09, 2014, 09:34:39 pm
I think Wheaton will win the CCIW again this year.  Even after their head coach has announced his pending departure, they remain well coached and their talent in the conference is undeniable.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 13, 2014, 09:41:17 am
I think Wheaton will win the CCIW again this year.  Even after their head coach has announced his pending departure, they remain well coached and their talent in the conference is undeniable.

I would also call Wheaton the favorites to win the CCIW.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on October 15, 2014, 09:06:44 pm
#5 Wheaton down 1-0 to unranked Carthage. 6 mins remaining in first half.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 15, 2014, 10:38:11 pm
Congratulations to John Born upon picking up his 200th win as a head coach tonight, as NPU defeated Illinois Wesleyan, 3-0, in Bloomington.

Incidentally, great camera work by the IWU camera person. That was about the best webcast view I've ever had of a soccer match.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 15, 2014, 10:38:43 pm
Carthage beat Wheaton, 2-1, in Kenosha.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on October 15, 2014, 11:42:53 pm
When did CC last defeat WC?!?  Wow.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 16, 2014, 12:49:19 am
2007, I think.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCC26 on October 16, 2014, 04:01:15 pm
Our conference is tough.  5 teams in the top 10 of the central region.  Didn't see Wheaton losing to Carthage though.  Kudos to Carthage!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 16, 2014, 06:13:26 pm
Our conference is tough.  5 teams in the top 10 of the central region.  Didn't see Wheaton losing to Carthage though.  Kudos to Carthage!

Some of us can remember when CCIW soccer consisted of Wheaton and a bunch of schools that were just sponsoring soccer teams for the heck of it. In fact, the league didn't even get up to the full eight teams until a decade ago, when the last holdout school (Elmhurst) finally added soccer. Then it was (mostly) Wheaton and North Park and a bunch of schools that were just sponsoring soccer teams for the heck of it. Then Carthage and Elmhurst got competitive. Now we've reached the point where nobody's a gimme anymore; all eight programs have reached the level of general respectability and competitiveness.

This is what a lot of us have been waiting for for a long time.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: MidwestAficionado on October 17, 2014, 02:39:36 am
Our conference is tough.  5 teams in the top 10 of the central region.  Didn't see Wheaton losing to Carthage though.  Kudos to Carthage!

Some of us can remember when CCIW soccer consisted of Wheaton and a bunch of schools that were just sponsoring soccer teams for the heck of it. In fact, the league didn't even get up to the full eight teams until a decade ago, when the last holdout school (Elmhurst) finally added soccer. Then it was (mostly) Wheaton and North Park and a bunch of schools that were just sponsoring soccer teams for the heck of it. Then Carthage and Elmhurst got competitive. Now we've reached the point where nobody's a gimme anymore; all eight programs have reached the level of general respectability and competitiveness.

This is what a lot of us have been waiting for for a long time.

Competitiveness certainly, respectability no. Some of these programs are stuck in kickball/hockey mode. Given the facilities and profiles of the school, quality of play should be much higher across all programs. But alas most of the energy is put into "whatever it takes to win"
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: SuperSub15 on October 17, 2014, 06:28:58 am
Midwest can you give examples on your opinion? Wheaton is a possession based team who move the ball well. They have one of the fastest players I have ever seen on dribble in Hollingsworth. North Park is high energy, possession based with guys who can shoot well. From the games I have seen Carthage plays a similar way. They out possessed Wheaton first half of Wednesday's game. This was the same for wins against Wartburg and St.Thomas. Just wanted to get your opinion on specific examples.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Durantula on October 17, 2014, 10:41:36 am
I have watched Wartburg all year, and Carthage has the best possession out of any team that they have played in my opinion. Better than Gustavus, St Thomas, Luther, St Olaf.


I cannot believe that Carthage had to forfeit their first two games for such a stupid reason. They would be in a good spot for an at-large bid with those two wins but are practically out of the at large race after the forfeits.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on October 17, 2014, 11:01:55 am


Way late to the punch bowl here... what do the Wheaton supporters out there think of Montclair St?   I don't think there was a live video feed, as all I can remember was watching the live stats update like a basketball score.


Aside from the end result, which teams have looked the best vs Wheaton this year?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: MidwestAficionado on October 17, 2014, 04:04:09 pm
Midwest can you give examples on your opinion? Wheaton is a possession based team who move the ball well. They have one of the fastest players I have ever seen on dribble in Hollingsworth. North Park is high energy, possession based with guys who can shoot well. From the games I have seen Carthage plays a similar way. They out possessed Wheaton first half of Wednesday's game. This was the same for wins against Wartburg and St.Thomas. Just wanted to get your opinion on specific examples.

Have seen mostly all of the CCIW teams this year except for Millikin and Carthage. In years past, despite having quality players, Carthage was very direct and athletic, almost bypassing the midfield. Their offsides numbers this year are far decreased as a testament to that. From what I've seen from the others - NCC, Elmhurst, Augie, IWU - its not much build up and mostly long ball, try to run behind, high press type soccer. Meaning possessions end after about 3-4 passes because of a lack of rhythm or ability.

Maybe I picked the wrong games to attend, but that is what I've seen. I have an appreciation for teams who try to string 8-10 passes together and move the ball as a team. I also understand the long ball is effective against teams that high press. But there needs to be a balance, not just "hey lets hit it long for 90 minutes and we should get 1 or 2." We are a better soccer nation than that and should demand a higher level of quality.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 17, 2014, 05:01:41 pm
Our conference is tough.  5 teams in the top 10 of the central region.  Didn't see Wheaton losing to Carthage though.  Kudos to Carthage!

Some of us can remember when CCIW soccer consisted of Wheaton and a bunch of schools that were just sponsoring soccer teams for the heck of it. In fact, the league didn't even get up to the full eight teams until a decade ago, when the last holdout school (Elmhurst) finally added soccer. Then it was (mostly) Wheaton and North Park and a bunch of schools that were just sponsoring soccer teams for the heck of it. Then Carthage and Elmhurst got competitive. Now we've reached the point where nobody's a gimme anymore; all eight programs have reached the level of general respectability and competitiveness.

This is what a lot of us have been waiting for for a long time.

Competitiveness certainly, respectability no. Some of these programs are stuck in kickball/hockey mode. Given the facilities and profiles of the school, quality of play should be much higher across all programs. But alas most of the energy is put into "whatever it takes to win"

You and I apparently don't agree upon what constitutes respectability. Is the CCIW up to par yet in soccer with how it performs in the other major sports? I'd say no (although the league has looked abnormally poor in football this season). Is the CCIW up to the level in soccer in which each of the league's teams should, and do, win most of their matches? Yes. This year seven of the eight CCIW sides had winning non-conference records, while the eighth, Illinois Wesleyan, finished .500. That's never happened before.

Yeah, it's a minimal respectability when compared to the CCIW's performance in other sports, but it's respectability, nonetheless.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: MidwestAficionado on October 17, 2014, 10:39:45 pm

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You and I apparently don't agree upon what constitutes respectability. Is the CCIW up to par yet in soccer with how it performs in the other major sports? I'd say no (although the league has looked abnormally poor in football this season). Is the CCIW up to the level in soccer in which each of the league's teams should, and do, win most of their matches? Yes. This year seven of the eight CCIW sides had winning non-conference records, while the eighth, Illinois Wesleyan, finished .500. That's never happened before.

Yeah, it's a minimal respectability when compared to the CCIW's performance in other sports, but it's respectability, nonetheless.
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Craig's brother... You're defining respectability as the ability of the CCIW's teams to have winning records. To me that's competitiveness/success/smart scheduling.

I'm defining respectability not as an acknowledgement of their ability to win games, but how they play the games.

We have different definitions. I stand by what I said. I'm not here to say they shouldn't be respected for their ability to win games, they are very competitive/result-oriented units. But their approach to the game and tactics employed do not get my respect.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 18, 2014, 09:15:05 am
You're defining respectability as the ability of the CCIW's teams to have winning records. To me that's competitiveness/success/smart scheduling.

I'm defining respectability not as an acknowledgement of their ability to win games, but how they play the games.

I'm well aware of what constitutes our differing definitions of respectability. After all, I'm the one who pointed it out in the first place.

We have different definitions. I stand by what I said. I'm not here to say they shouldn't be respected for their ability to win games, they are very competitive/result-oriented units. But their approach to the game and tactics employed do not get my respect.

Sure, but you're one person. In the larger view, I'm certain that yours is a minority opinion.

I'm not denigrating that minority opinion, mind you. There's certainly room in sports fandom for those who put the highest premium upon aesthetics. But for most of us, sports are bottom-line propositions. Winning and losing are what matters. And for those of us who follow multiple sports rather than just one, our barometer for how our league does in one sport tends to reflect how it does in others as well.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: MidwestAficionado on October 18, 2014, 10:04:55 pm
You're defining respectability as the ability of the CCIW's teams to have winning records. To me that's competitiveness/success/smart scheduling.

I'm defining respectability not as an acknowledgement of their ability to win games, but how they play the games.

I'm well aware of what constitutes our differing definitions of respectability. After all, I'm the one who pointed it out in the first place.

We have different definitions. I stand by what I said. I'm not here to say they shouldn't be respected for their ability to win games, they are very competitive/result-oriented units. But their approach to the game and tactics employed do not get my respect.

Sure, but you're one person. In the larger view, I'm certain that yours is a minority opinion.

I'm not denigrating that minority opinion, mind you. There's certainly room in sports fandom for those who put the highest premium upon aesthetics. But for most of us, sports are bottom-line propositions. Winning and losing are what matters. And for those of us who follow multiple sports rather than just one, our barometer for how our league does in one sport tends to reflect how it does in others as well.

Either way the CCIW's respectability took a hit today with NPU losing to Dominican
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 18, 2014, 10:24:53 pm
No question about that. Most years, a close loss to Dominican wouldn't be that terrible a result. But this DU team is, by everyone's estimation, down from years previous.

NPU has been very inconsistent lately, and it's coming close to costing the Vikings their entire safety margin as far as Pool C is concerned. Those who are more attuned to the way soccer's selection committee thinks may differ, but to me it appears that NPU may now be dangerously on the edge of a must-win-out scenario.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: FR_Sam on October 19, 2014, 09:55:57 pm
Mr. Sager and Aficionado,

I think you guys need to look into Dominican's record against the CCIW over the years.  They have a winning record against NPU, Wheaton, Elmhurst, Wesleyan, NCC, etc.  This year, Dominican was up on Wheaton 1-0 (but did lose 2-1 on a goal late, I believe around the 80' or 81').  They obviously beat NPU and tied Elmhurst and lost a tight match with NCC.  I don't think a loss to Dominican is ever a terrible loss nor does a loss to Dominican mean a hit to the CCIW credibility.  Dominican has talent and a coaching staff that knows how to game plan and players that can then execute.  That is always a recipe for teams that will be in matches and be in position to get wins.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 19, 2014, 10:18:07 pm
Mr. Sager and Aficionado,

I think you guys need to look into Dominican's record against the CCIW over the years.

I don't need to do any such thing. I have plenty of respect for DU's soccer program. That's why I said this:

Most years, a close loss to Dominican wouldn't be that terrible a result.

This year, Dominican was up on Wheaton 1-0 (but did lose 2-1 on a goal late, I believe around the 80' or 81').  They obviously beat NPU and tied Elmhurst and lost a tight match with NCC.  I don't think a loss to Dominican is ever a terrible loss nor does a loss to Dominican mean a hit to the CCIW credibility.  Dominican has talent and a coaching staff that knows how to game plan and players that can then execute.  That is always a recipe for teams that will be in matches and be in position to get wins.

The consensus among people who have seen the Stars is that they're having a down year. The evidence seems to bear this out:

2014: 10-4-2
2013: 12-5-2
2012: 18-3-0
2011: 19-3-0
2010: 19-1-2

Among the blemishes are a tie with 6-5-2 Wash U (currently inhabiting last place in the UAA) and a loss to Benedictine (8-6-1). While the Stars are hardly in the dumpster, they do appear to have fallen off from their recent standards. NPU should've won yesterday, and the fact that the Vikings didn't in a game in which they had twice as many shots as the Stars bodes ill for them.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: MidwestAficionado on October 19, 2014, 10:42:24 pm
Mr. Sager and Aficionado,

I think you guys need to look into Dominican's record against the CCIW over the years.  They have a winning record against NPU, Wheaton, Elmhurst, Wesleyan, NCC, etc.  This year, Dominican was up on Wheaton 1-0 (but did lose 2-1 on a goal late, I believe around the 80' or 81').  They obviously beat NPU and tied Elmhurst and lost a tight match with NCC.  I don't think a loss to Dominican is ever a terrible loss nor does a loss to Dominican mean a hit to the CCIW credibility.  Dominican has talent and a coaching staff that knows how to game plan and players that can then execute.  That is always a recipe for teams that will be in matches and be in position to get wins.

You mean the Wheaton match where DU was outshot 21-4? I was at the game, had DU not scored a weak goal against the run of play, it would have been a 3+ loss easily.

Dominican has certainly fallen off some. They were dismantled 4-0 in the NCAA first round by Wartburg last year and have lost to Benedictine two years in a row. Far cry from their annual 11-0 run through conference of yesteryears. Not to mention they are looking at a likely 3rd place finish in the NAC unless they can knockoff undefeated MSOE.

Not saying they're bad, simply saying they're not what they once were. If you can't admit that then you're simply a homer. And losing to them is not a good result for an NPU team trying to position for an at large...
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: FR_Sam on October 19, 2014, 10:56:07 pm
I don't understand how taking a Dominican goal off the board makes a 2-1 match, 3-0...did the goal they scored end up being put in their own goal?  Wheaton only managed to put 5 shots on goal in that match.  Dominican will give up shots but does not give up quality chances, that will keep matches low scoring and allow them a chance to be in every match.

You may need to give the rest of the NACC top teams more credit rather than discrediting Dominican. MSOE has been a quality opponent for the last couple of years.  Benedictine has gotten much more organized and has landed much more talent the last couple of recruiting cycles.

You still can't deny that Dominican is 2-2-1 against North Park, Wheaton, Elmhurst, North Central and IWU.  The top three teams in the conference and NCC who in all likelihood will finish in or near the top four in the conference this season. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: MidwestAficionado on October 19, 2014, 11:13:07 pm
I don't understand how taking a Dominican goal off the board makes a 2-1 match, 3-0...did the goal they scored end up being put in their own goal?  Wheaton only managed to put 5 shots on goal in that match.  Dominican will give up shots but does not give up quality chances, that will keep matches low scoring and allow them a chance to be in every match.

You may need to give the rest of the NACC top teams more credit rather than discrediting Dominican. MSOE has been a quality opponent for the last couple of years.  Benedictine has gotten much more organized and has landed much more talent the last couple of recruiting cycles.

You still can't deny that Dominican is 2-2-1 against North Park, Wheaton, Elmhurst, North Central and IWU.  The top three teams in the conference and NCC who in all likelihood will finish in or near the top four in the conference this season.

80% of the game was played in Dominicans defensive half. Wheaton blasted at least 5 shots from 12 yards out over the goal instead of placing them for sure goals. And DU's goal was off a free kick from
Midfield that Wheatons GK should have saved but made a mess of. That goal set Wheaton sideways for a stretch and they stumbled to a 2-1 win. Otherwise, the floodgates were going to open based on the run of play and some composed finishing.

I'm not denying anything else. All I'm saying is they're not what they once were. I'm not saying their conference opponents are poor or deserve more credit. I'm simply saying that's not a good loss for an NPU team trying to secure an at large when DU is a team (and the rest of their conference) that will only make it via an AQ whereas years past they were dominant.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: FR_Sam on October 22, 2014, 10:00:18 am
It doesn't seem the NSCAA Central Region coaches saw it as such a bad loss for NPU, keeping the Vikings at 3 while jumping Dominican to #9.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: FR_Sam on October 22, 2014, 04:30:16 pm
And judging by the NCAA Regional rankings today, the committee didn't see it as a bad loss either.  NPU in a good position for Pool C assuming that Calvin and Wheaton win respective AQs, that leaves NPU as the first at-large from the Central Region.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on October 23, 2014, 04:08:47 pm
While not overlooking Saturday's game in Rock Island, North Park hosts Elmhurst and Wheaton to end the season.  Elmhurst is currently in third place while Wheaton is second and North Park is undefeated in conference play.  That is a tough three game stretch!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: NCC26 on October 24, 2014, 11:11:50 am
At least they get them at home.  Who is hosting the CCIW conference championship?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 24, 2014, 12:32:38 pm
Unless I missed some change in the rules, the host is the regular season champion, but I believe the semi-final games are played at home for both the #1 and #2 seed. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 24, 2014, 02:16:54 pm
Yep. The semifinals will be #3 @ #2 and #4 @ #1, and will be played on either Tuesday, November 4 or Wednesday, November 5 (depending upon stadium availability and other scheduling concerns), and the championship will be played on Saturday, November 8 at the highest remaining seed.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on November 02, 2014, 11:14:23 am
Wheaton beat North Park last night 1-0 on a header that hit the post and trickled across the line.  Just a couple of minutes earlier, NP had a breakaway where the striker had 30 yards with no one between him and the goalie.  The striker, a freshman, was probably totally surprised and baffled by the offering.  His grounder barely missed.  Wheaton had two grounders that also just barely missed.  In the last two minutes, Wheaton's goalie made two fantastic saves with his outstretched left hand while diving to the ground.  NP should have had a PK in the second half, but the ref did not call the obvious hand ball in the box.  Oh well.  NP cannot win if you do not score.  Wheaton did score and thus deserved the victory.  Congratulations.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 02, 2014, 11:29:37 am
NPU played last night's match without leading scorer Pedram Tahmi-Masoleh (scratched due to illness), who is leading the CCIW both in league play and overall in goals and goals per game -- the latter stat by a huge margin. His absence loomed large last night, although NPU managed to beat Elmhurst last week without him (and with three other starters missing as well). But, as Mark said, NPU definitely needed another offensive presence last night.

Wheaton's been able to use its size advantage over NPU to good effect on set plays over the past two or three years, and that was true again last night, as the Wheaties scored the match's lone goal off of a corner kick.

NPU put forth a valiant effort in staying with a quicker and more experienced Wheaton side last night, as the Vikings actually outshot the visitors and had the best continuous-play scoring opportunity of the night on a breakaway at 75:34, as Mark mentioned. Mark understated the opportunity, however, as Vikings freshman striker Kebba Sanyang got Wheaton keeper Matt Paprocki to commit early and thus earned himself a wide-open net from ten yards out ... which he then missed completely, sending the shot left of the post by a foot or so. I hope that this coming week's events don't leave the talented young Sanyang with the pain of having to spend the next nine months reliving that empty-net miss in his dreams.

Great atmosphere last night, as the announced attendance of 2,088 was almost certainly short by a few hundred. Anyone who wanted to see what a D3 soccer rivalry is all about should've been at North Park's Hedstrand Field last night.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 02, 2014, 11:32:04 am
Wednesday night's CCIW tourney semifinals:

#3 Elmhurst @ #2 North Park
#4 Millikin @ #1 Wheaton

Congrats to Millikin, as this will be the first time that the Big Blue have made the CCIW tourney since the inaugural edition back in 2002. Still, I don't expect the Big Blue to give Wheaton much of a contest at Joe Bean Stadium. I think that the more interesting match will be at Hedstrand Field, as NPU and Elmhurst went end-to-end for 90 minutes last Wednesday (and how weird is it to see an Elmhurst side playing that way?) in a very closely-fought 1-0 match.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on November 06, 2014, 07:10:12 pm
North Park wins one game in its last four and thus has most likely played its last game of the year.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on November 07, 2014, 12:38:42 pm
North Park wins one game in its last four and thus has most likely played its last game of the year.

I am hoping Elmhurst wins tomorrow night only so we ensure 2 CCIW teams in the Tourney - not sure if Elmhurst moves on otherwise.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on November 09, 2014, 06:58:40 pm
North Park wins one game in its last four and thus has most likely played its last game of the year.

I am hoping Elmhurst wins tomorrow night only so we ensure 2 CCIW teams in the Tourney - not sure if Elmhurst moves on otherwise.

Congrats to Wheaton - hope they do well in the Tourney.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on November 10, 2014, 04:57:00 pm
Looks like both Wheaton and North Park made the NCAA Tourney this year.  I thought Mark was dead on with the expectation that NP had missed out with its rough end to the season, but I guess they did enough to get in... 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 10, 2014, 11:19:49 pm
Color me surprised as well. I thanked some of the Vikings seniors for their four years of contributions following the penalty-kicks decision last Wednesday at Hedstrand Field. I was sure that NPU's season was over, and the post-match vibe in the stadium told me that this sentiment was shared by everyone else.

I don't pretend to have nearly the same understanding of how the selection process works for soccer that I do for basketball. All I know is that NPU gets to go dancing and will play at least one more match, and for that I am very grateful and excited!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on November 11, 2014, 09:29:06 am
Color me surprised as well. I thanked some of the Vikings seniors for their four years of contributions following the penalty-kicks decision last Wednesday at Hedstrand Field. I was sure that NPU's season was over, and the post-match vibe in the stadium told me that this sentiment was shared by everyone else.

I don't pretend to have nearly the same understanding of how the selection process works for soccer that I do for basketball. All I know is that NPU gets to go dancing and will play at least one more match, and for that I am very grateful and excited!

I also thought NPU was done, but I haven't been following the national scene this year.  They do carry a strong schedule so that speaks volumes usually at selection time.

Hopefully Pedram returns to the lineup - not sure why he has been out but it seems like the team started having trouble after he was out of the lineup.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 11, 2014, 07:15:45 pm
Pedram's been out with an illness. His return date, if any, is indefinite, although I certainly hope that he'll be in the #8 kit on Saturday against Thomas More at Kenyon. His absence has been extremely costly; he was, after all, the CCIW's scoring champion (both goals and points) in league play, in spite of the fact that he missed the last two matches of the regular season.

NPU has also been without two other starters, sophomore Rick Anderson and freshman Jason Gonzalez, during that same span of Elmhurst/Wheaton/Elmhurst, both due to leg injuries. I'm not certain if and when they'll be back.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on November 11, 2014, 09:08:24 pm
Pedram's been out with an illness. His return date, if any, is indefinite, although I certainly hope that he'll be in the #8 kit on Saturday against Thomas More at Kenyon. His absence has been extremely costly; he was, after all, the CCIW's scoring champion (both goals and points) in league play, in spite of the fact that he missed the last two matches of the regular season.

NPU has also been without two other starters, sophomore Rick Anderson and freshman Jason Gonzalez, during that same span of Elmhurst/Wheaton/Elmhurst, both due to leg injuries. I'm not certain if and when they'll be back.

I wondered why I hadn't seen Rick or Jason's names in the box scores as of late.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on November 24, 2014, 03:02:17 pm
Congrats to Wheaton for their final 4 birth - good luck down the stretch!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on December 06, 2014, 10:21:55 pm
No Wheaton score posted yet?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 06, 2014, 11:06:17 pm
Tufts wins the national championship match, 4-2, over Wheaton.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Mugsy on December 07, 2014, 06:04:25 pm
Tufts wins the national championship match, 4-2, over Wheaton.

To which I'm sure brings you some relief.   ;)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 07, 2014, 08:34:48 pm
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Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on September 01, 2015, 09:55:52 pm
North Park won it's opening game tonight against Benedictine 1-0.  They got a real late winner from Pedram Tahmi-Masoleh... real, real late, in the 89th minute. 

Not exactly the scoreline I would've expected, but glad to see NP starts off with a win. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 02, 2015, 09:26:22 am
North Park won it's opening game tonight against Benedictine 1-0.  They got a real late winner from Pedram Tahmi-Masoleh... real, real late, in the 89th minute. 

Not exactly the scoreline I would've expected, but glad to see NP starts off with a win.

A win is a win.  I think there was a missed penalty by NPU earlier in the game too.

There are very few returning starters from last year, so I think it will take a while for the team to gel.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 03, 2015, 06:22:23 pm
That was a live stats mistake that was later corrected by the scorer. There were no penalty kicks in yesterday's match. NPU got a free kick in the early going against the Bennies that was simply miskeyed by the live stats operator.

Yeah, NPU looked very ragged last night. Some of that has to do with the relative youth of the team, and some of it has to do with the fact that John Born used 18 different players. Depth is going to be a strong point with this year's Vikings (he also has some banged-up players who didn't even appear in last night's match who will undoubtedly play a role this year), and last night was a perfect time to illustrate that, given the hot, humid conditions and the fact that BU is not a high-powered side. But it almost came back to bite the Vikings last night; although BU hardly got any decent chances, neither did NPU. Fortunately, the Park has Pedram Tahmi-Masoleh. As Kris Grahn presciently said about Pedram in the NPU season preview, "He's a difference-maker, and he's one of those guys who can score in the 90th minute and change the game." PT-M was marked very well by a BU defender throughout almost the entire game, but a beautifully-placed drop-in from freshman Gianfranco DeCarne put the ball right on PT-M's leg in a one-on-one situation, and he beat the defender and floated the winning shot over the head of diving BU keeper Steve Mack.

Overall, though, as I said, the Vikings looked ragged against an opponent that they usually dominate. I hope that they sharpen things up on Friday night in the home opener against Edgewood.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 03, 2015, 08:20:16 pm
That was a live stats mistake that was later corrected by the scorer. There were no penalty kicks in yesterday's match. NPU got a free kick in the early going against the Bennies that was simply miskeyed by the live stats operator.

Yeah, NPU looked very ragged last night. Some of that has to do with the relative youth of the team, and some of it has to do with the fact that John Born used 18 different players. Depth is going to be a strong point with this year's Vikings (he also has some banged-up players who didn't even appear in last night's match who will undoubtedly play a role this year), and last night was a perfect time to illustrate that, given the hot, humid conditions and the fact that BU is not a high-powered side. But it almost came back to bite the Vikings last night; although BU hardly got any decent chances, neither did NPU. Fortunately, the Park has Pedram Tahmi-Masoleh. As Kris Grahn presciently said about Pedram in the NPU season preview, "He's a difference-maker, and he's one of those guys who can score in the 90th minute and change the game." PT-M was marked very well by a BU defender throughout almost the entire game, but a beautifully-placed drop-in from freshman Gianfranco DeCarne put the ball right on PT-M's leg in a one-on-one situation, and he beat the defender and floated the winning shot over the head of diving BU keeper Steve Mack.

Overall, though, as I said, the Vikings looked ragged against an opponent that they usually dominate. I hope that they sharpen things up on Friday night in the home opener against Edgewood.

Greg, who were the injured NPU players?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on September 04, 2015, 11:02:10 pm
I hope that they sharpen things up on Friday night in the home opener against Edgewood.

It looks like they did just that.  North Park gets a 4-0 win over Edgewood.  From the little I watched online, and from the stats, it looked like North Park thoroughly dominated this game. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: SuperSub15 on September 16, 2015, 06:54:31 pm
Not much going on here this year. How do the CCIW Teams look compared to years past?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 20, 2015, 05:04:41 pm
Well, thus far it looks like North Park and Wheaton will be dominant again. Pedram Tahmi-Masoleh of NPU is leading the nation in goals scored, and Wheaton still has superstar Marshall Hollingsworth from last season's national runner-up side. But the question is: Who else will rise up and make the CCIW playoffs? Thus far, I can't really get a read on it. Nobody else in the league has really stood out thus far in non-conference play.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on October 17, 2015, 11:37:09 am
IWU tends to be in the top four, but NPU recently tallied six goals against the Greenies.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: SuperSub15 on October 17, 2015, 12:35:52 pm
IWU has only been top 4 maybe 3 out of the last 10 seasons.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: SuperSub15 on October 31, 2015, 11:18:25 pm
Correction Wheaton 1 vs North Central 4. Elmhurst 2 vs Carthage 3
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on September 28, 2016, 01:40:12 pm
When was the last time the CCIW had 4 teams in the top 10 in the region (NSCAA poll), and none of them were Wheaton? 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 28, 2016, 04:32:14 pm
It's never happened before.

For the record, here's how the CCIW fared in that latest NSCAA regional poll:

  3. Carthage
  4. NPU
  9. Millikin
10. Elmhurst

Keep in mind that the poll came out yesterday, and does not reflect last night's 6-2 evisceration of Carthage by #1 Chicago (which is a legitimate Final Four side).

NPU hosts Millikin tonight, by the way.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on September 29, 2016, 12:07:24 pm
It's unreal.  As a NP fan, it makes me hopeful for this Saturday's NP v Wheaton matchup, but also a bit nervous. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 29, 2016, 02:22:23 pm
You're supposed to be nervous when NPU plays Wheaton. That's the whole point. If you're not, it means that one or the other side is down to the point where the match probably isn't going to be close ... and we both know that Wheaton's most likely never going to fall into that category, so the issue at hand is for NPU to maintain a high level as well. In other words, your nervousness or lack thereof is a reflection of NPU's competence.

Incidentally, NPU (6-2-1, 2-0) absolutely annihilated Millikin (6-2, 0-1) last night, 4-0. It won't be that impressive a result when the final verdict is in, as Millikin is a paper tiger that fattened its non-conference record on SLIAC and NACC cupcakes prior to starting CCIW play (as MU is wont to do in numerous sports). I will be surprised if the Big Blue make it to the CCIW tourney. But it was good to see the Vikings take control of a match and never let up. Sophomore forward Carel Kawele, the reigning CCIW Offensive Player of the Week, is starting to emerge as a top-flight scorer. He had two more goals last night, the first of which was as pretty a goal as you'll ever see -- a left-footed bender from 25 yards out and off to the right of the net (he's right-footed) that cleared the far post by a good two or three yards before it hooked back into the net. It was also good to see Kebba Sanyang back on the pitch for NPU after missing several weeks due to injury. The Vikings are now as close to healthy as they've been all season.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 29, 2016, 02:51:30 pm
Elmhurst's 1-1 draw with visiting Augustana at Langhorst was a bit of a head-scratcher. Augie (3-5-1, 0-0-1) had done nothing this season to lead anyone to believe that the Doggies could hang with a good side. Their wins over Lakeland (2-8) and Robert Morris-Springfield (1-7) were practically worthless (d3soccer.com erroneously has Augie beating much-more-competent Robert Morris-Chicago rather than RMUS), and their win over Lake Forest (5-5) was really the only impressive glimmer on their sked to date. On the other hand, Elmhurst (5-2-3, 0-0-1) is an always-dangerous side that specializes in physical, defensive-oriented play and always seems to rack up draw after draw against good sides, interspersed with low-scoring one-goal wins.

Last night, perhaps, Elmhurst's style backfired to the point where the 'jays couldn't obtain an advantage on a lesser outfit that would allow them to then play their preferred style. Augie scored at 35:01, and the Bluejays apparently spent the rest of the match fruitlessly peppering shots to no avail, until finally heading one in in the 89th minute. They did it short-handed, too, as one of the 'jays was sent off with a straight red in the 63rd minute. Augie returned the favor by having a player sent off with a straight red in the final minute of regulation (the card's color not mattering, since the player had already received a yellow earlier in the match). EC then outshot Augie 5-0 in the extra sessions, but couldn't produce the golden goal. EC outshot Augie, 24-14, although shots on frame were even at eight apiece, and the hosts had 11 corners to only one for the Rock Islanders.

As one would expect from Elmhurst and Augustana, the play sounds like it was pretty rough: Augie got six yellows and a red, while Elmhurst received three yellows and a red.

Perhaps the rainy weather was an equalizer, but it seemed like a surprising result; I expected much more out of Elmhurst, and much less out of Augie.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: gustiefan04 on September 29, 2016, 04:25:07 pm
Augustana is definitely not there yet, but they are an improving side. They've got 3-4 pretty talented freshman getting valuable minutes this year - Michael Peters is a work horse & Matt Allen is extremely technical on the ball, making them formidable in the final third. Salah Aghlaf is strong in the middle for a FY as well. From what I've seen, the Auggies have some big holes in the backline that need to be filled in the 2017 recruiting class.

If they can fill the void in the back, I suspect they will emerge as a CCIW tournament contender in the next year or two. The North Park's and Wheaton's wont be able to take them so lightly.

If Elmhurst's players share the same level of arrogance as their coach, then its no surprise they were caught off guard by and improving Auggie side. Elmhurst has been for years, a middle of the pack team that THINKS they are one of the best in the country with no real results to back it up...
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 02, 2016, 09:22:37 am
North Park came away with an authoritative 2-1 victory last night over Wheaton at Hedstrand Field in a typically loud and well-attended match that the Vikings dominated. Wheaton had a flurry of corner attempts for a brief stretch in the second half, but couldn't put the ball in the net until the 87th minute, as NPU won every statistical category as well as the score.

This gives NPU the leg up on the league lead this season, as the Vikings are now 3-0. Carthage and Illinois Wesleyan are still unblemished at 1-0, while Augie has yet to lose at 0-0-1. NPU is at Illinois Wesleyan on Wednesday, while Wheaton is at Carthage on the same night.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 05, 2016, 10:47:44 pm
Tonight brought a little bit of clarity to the CCIW race, as North Park won at Wesleyan, 2-1, and Carthage knocked off Wheaton, 4-2, up in Kenosha.

That puts NPU at 4-0 in league play and Carthage at 2-0. Augie at 0-0-1 is the only other remaining unbeaten. Wheaton's sitting at 0-2, but the good news for the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance is that they have NPU and Carthage out of the way now, so they could go on a roll against the lesser sides and get back into tourney contention.

The big surprise today was Carroll beating UW-Platteville by an impressive 4-1 score.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on October 06, 2016, 12:31:05 am
It will come down to Carthage vs. NPU for the auto bid. Wheaton dug itself too deep a hole and just don't have the horses on either side of the ball to get out of it.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: markerickson on October 11, 2016, 09:06:56 pm
Wheaton did not fare well against nonconference opponents this year.  I'll chalk up their season as an anomaly.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 11, 2016, 11:10:42 pm
Any good reason Calvin is ranked in the Top 25 Nationally, but behind NP in the regional poll?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Falconer on October 12, 2016, 09:26:35 am
North Park came away with an authoritative 2-1 victory last night over Wheaton at Hedstrand Field in a typically loud and well-attended match that the Vikings dominated. Wheaton had a flurry of corner attempts for a brief stretch in the second half, but couldn't put the ball in the net until the 87th minute, as NPU won every statistical category as well as the score.

This gives NPU the leg up on the league lead this season, as the Vikings are now 3-0. Carthage and Illinois Wesleyan are still unblemished at 1-0, while Augie has yet to lose at 0-0-1. NPU is at Illinois Wesleyan on Wednesday, while Wheaton is at Carthage on the same night.

I see that Wheaton's goal was scored by Danny Brandt (who played his first two years at Messiah).  I see he started that game and scored nearly at the end of the game, so he obviously got significant playing time.  However, it's the only game he's played in for some time.  Does anyone know the story?  I assume he's had a nagging injury of some sort.  Did he look good in against NPU, apart from the score?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: SuperSub15 on October 13, 2016, 09:42:58 am
Greg,

Did you get a chance to watch last nights game NPU vs Carthage.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Dark Knight on October 14, 2016, 03:06:02 pm
Any good reason Calvin is ranked in the Top 25 Nationally, but behind NP in the regional poll?

These rankings are generated by totally different procedures, with different aims. The regional ranking approximates the method used to rank teams for the NCAA tournament, and it uses an RPI-like formula that any statistician will tell you is a poor method of ranking teams if you are actually trying to find the best ones. The NCAA then makes it worse by throwing in the regional monkey wrench.

The NSCAA and d3soccer.com rankings are polls, so knowledgeable people vote to rank teams. In my opinion these polls do a much better job than the NCAA's system, though not quite as good as a computerized ranking system like Massey.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 14, 2016, 05:35:33 pm
Any good reason Calvin is ranked in the Top 25 Nationally, but behind NP in the regional poll?

These rankings are generated by totally different procedures, with different aims. The regional ranking approximates the method used to rank teams for the NCAA tournament, and it uses an RPI-like formula that any statistician will tell you is a poor method of ranking teams if you are actually trying to find the best ones. The NCAA then makes it worse by throwing in the regional monkey wrench.

The NSCAA and d3soccer.com rankings are polls, so knowledgeable people vote to rank teams. In my opinion these polls do a much better job than the NCAA's system, though not quite as good as a computerized ranking system like Massey.


He was comparing the NSCAA Regional Poll with the NSCAA National Poll.  He wasn't talking about the NCAA Regional Rankings (in which their SOS calculation is one of several criteria) which haven't even started yet for this season.  So, no, the oddity and apparent contradiction of the NSCAA ranking North Park ahead of Calvin in their regional poll and the NSCAA ranking Calvin ahead of North Park in their national poll has nothing to do with different procedures and different aims.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 16, 2016, 04:06:58 pm
Greg,

Did you get a chance to watch last nights game NPU vs Carthage.

Thoughts?

Yeah, I was the broadcaster.

Carthage's go-for-broke style certainly makes for exciting soccer, and it's an approach will definitely come back to bite the Red Men in the butt sooner or later. But their air attack is tremendous, not just in terms of how well they place long balls right on the attacker but in how well they can loft 10-to-15-yard passes on the dead run with terrific precision over the heads of defenders.

The Red Men apparently count upon slowing down counters with a lot of physicality and tackling, which explains why NPU had a big advantage in corners and free kicks. The Vikings had all kinds of chances in set pieces, but they simply weren't able to connect with their air specialists Mattias Warp and Gustav Leander.

You can't let up your guard against the Red Men for the blink of an eye, because they're on you that quick in the forward end. But a mentally disciplined side that can convert set pieces that come out of counters can beat the Red Men. I'm hoping that NPU will get that chance in the CCIW tourney final; the problem, of course, is that Carthage will have earned the right to host it.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: SuperSub15 on October 23, 2016, 09:46:50 am
Going to be an interesting week and a half heading into the CCIW Tournament!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: matblake on April 24, 2017, 01:17:31 pm
Here's a follow up from the Daily Herald regarding the death of Ethan Roser at Wheaton
http://www.dailyherald.com/news/20170423/family-wheaton-college-community-lean-on-faith-after-studentx2019s-death
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on August 24, 2017, 01:06:57 pm
Wow, it was sad to have to head to the second page of Men's Soccer to get here, and to see a warning above that this topic has not been posted in for over 120 days. 

The 2017 CCIW Poll is out. http://www.cciw.org/news/2017/8/9/carthage-picked-to-defend-cciw-mens-soccer-title-in-2017.aspx (http://www.cciw.org/news/2017/8/9/carthage-picked-to-defend-cciw-mens-soccer-title-in-2017.aspx) 

1. Carthage 61 (6)
2. Wheaton 57 (2)
3. North Park 51 (1)
4. Elmhurst 38
5. Illinois Wesleyan 34
6. North Central 28
7. Millikin 22
8. Carroll 18
9. Augustana 14
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on August 31, 2017, 09:08:13 am
North Park's season preview and roster is posted:

http://athletics.northpark.edu/news/2017/8/30/2017-mens-soccer-team-preview.aspx

Of course, the roster doesn't help much without bios / foreigners, but it does look like they lost their top scorer for last year 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on September 02, 2017, 08:02:19 am
North Park's season preview and roster is posted:

http://athletics.northpark.edu/news/2017/8/30/2017-mens-soccer-team-preview.aspx

Of course, the roster doesn't help much without bios / foreigners, but it does look like they lost their top scorer for last year

I had a chance to watch the NPU game last against Benedictine.  I don't know how much value to place on preseason rankings, but if Benedictine is a true #14 then wow, NPU has a chance to be fantastic this year.  I wasn't just the 3-0 score line, but the total domination of possession, etc.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 30, 2017, 10:49:49 pm
North Park dominated Wheaton tonight out in the western suburbs, 2-0. The Vikings had the run of play throughout, outshooting WC 13-5, while putting eight shots on frame to Wheaton's two. NPU (8-1, 3-0) has now won seven in a row, while Wheaton (4-6, 0-1) seems to be off this year. The two rivals seem to have traded places from a couple of years ago when Wheaton had the upper hand.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 30, 2017, 10:58:06 pm
North Central shocked Carthage tonight with a golden goal in the 103rd minute to win at Keller Field up in Kenosha, 1-0, in spite of the fact that the Red Men outshot the Cardinals by a whopping 24-7 margin and put seven shots on goal to NCC's four. It was the first CCIW match of the season for both sides. Carthage now slides to a surprisingly ordinary 5-5-1 on the season.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: 4samuy on September 30, 2017, 11:11:59 pm
Yes Greg.  Been watching NPU from afar and watched the game tonight and came away pretty impressed.  Other than the hiccup against Whitworth early on, the two region wins against Dominican and Benedictine were solid and I would think they may move up to #3 in the region behind Chicago and Calvin after the WashU loss at Emory.  They seem, at this point to be the class of the CCIW.  It will be fun to watch that mid October non conference clash with Chicago sandwiched within the CCIW slate.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 30, 2017, 11:16:22 pm
Yeah, I've definitely got that match down in Hyde Park circled on my calendar.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: LM3 on October 03, 2017, 02:58:11 pm
I have seen North Park once live (v BenU) and once on Vid (v Dominican) and am pretty impressed. Whitworth was no slouch, but being their 3rd game in 4 days -- that was a surprise...it happens.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 03, 2017, 04:21:48 pm
The Vikings actually weren't at full strength when you saw them. Three of their projected starters (Jason Gonzalez, Erland Kemkers, and Marrion Alvaro) were out for NPU's first couple of games. Gonzalez came back for the third game (Dominican), Kemkers came back for the fourth game (Roosevelt), and Alvaro came back for the fifth game (St. Mary's MN), although Gonzalez has been the only one who's moved back into the starting lineup; the other two are still coming off of the bench.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 04, 2017, 11:58:36 pm
NPU removes one of the other two sides undefeated in CCIW play by crushing Illinois Wesleyan, 4-0, while Carthage takes down Wheaton, 2-1, in Wheaton.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 11, 2017, 11:43:27 am
NPU removes one of the other two sides undefeated in CCIW play by crushing Illinois Wesleyan, 4-0, while Carthage takes down Wheaton, 2-1, in Wheaton.

NPU plays up in Kenosha tonight, a location that has troubled them over the years.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 12, 2017, 02:33:01 pm
Well, they got a result in Kenosha.  The first half NP looked like they were struggling to find a rhythm.  The second half Park dominated play, but just couldn't find that 3rd goal to take the game.  Unfortunately I wasn't able to watch the overtime periods, so I can't comment on those. 

I certainly would've liked a win up in Kenosha, but a draw still keeps them in the driver's seat as they head in to the last 2 conference games against North Central and Elmhurst. 

The next three non-conference games are a big deal, at home against Whitewater and away against Chicago and Case Western.  None of those will be easy games.  I'd be thrilled to see us go 1-1-1 in those three games, but even that may be a tall order (even if that's what Massey predicts).
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Ommadawn on October 13, 2017, 12:31:02 am
Well, they got a result in Kenosha.  The first half NP looked like they were struggling to find a rhythm.  The second half Park dominated play, but just couldn't find that 3rd goal to take the game.  Unfortunately I wasn't able to watch the overtime periods, so I can't comment on those.

I saw only the overtime periods. I was multitasking at the time, so I cannot comment authoritatively, but there wasn't a whole lot of possession during the overtime periods. North Park seemed more dangerous, but Carthage missed a golden opportunity wide during the first period and North Park cleared a point-blank shot from Carthage off the line in the last minute or so of the second period. It appeared that there was an altercation after the game that, fortunately, was de-escalated pretty quickly.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 15, 2017, 02:36:25 pm
No stats or video for today's soccer game against Whitewater - what's up with that?
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 16, 2017, 11:16:25 am
Well, they got a result in Kenosha.  The first half NP looked like they were struggling to find a rhythm.  The second half Park dominated play, but just couldn't find that 3rd goal to take the game.  Unfortunately I wasn't able to watch the overtime periods, so I can't comment on those.

I saw only the overtime periods. I was multitasking at the time, so I cannot comment authoritatively, but there wasn't a whole lot of possession during the overtime periods. North Park seemed more dangerous, but Carthage missed a golden opportunity wide during the first period and North Park cleared a point-blank shot from Carthage off the line in the last minute or so of the second period. It appeared that there was an altercation after the game that, fortunately, was de-escalated pretty quickly.

NPU played frustrated in the two overtimes, and Carthage definitely had the best opportunity for a golden goal with the play that Ommadawn mentioned. The frustration boiled over after the final horn, although from what I was told the physical aspect of the altercation started when one of the Carthage players took a swing at Ricky Pimentel.

Carthage did exactly what had to be done to prevent a defeat at the hands of a considerably more talented NPU team: a) the Red Men roughed up play, causing a lot of whistles and interrupting NPU's flow; and b) they made their set pieces count, as their two goals came off of a PK and a direct free kick in which they beautifully screened Mathias Stulen, who didn't see the ball until it was too late. Carthage's biggest strength is that their defenders have good precision when it comes to placing long balls on targeted forwards, and the Red Men certainly remain dangerous.

Thing is, though, Carthage may have peaked in that contest. The Red Men have since lost to a nondescript Millikin side on Saturday, and they are not a sure thing to make the CCIW tourney, since they're currently sitting in sixth place with a 1-2-1 record. I think that their season will come down to their two matches this week, at home against up-and-down Elmhurst (which, at 2-3 in conference, is also in must-win territory) on Wednesday, and away at surprising third-place Illinois Wesleyan on Saturday.

The next three non-conference games are a big deal, at home against Whitewater and away against Chicago and Case Western.  None of those will be easy games.  I'd be thrilled to see us go 1-1-1 in those three games, but even that may be a tall order (even if that's what Massey predicts).

UW-Whitewater (8-4-4) is down a bit, as the Warhawks have been hit by the injury bug. But I doubt that even a healthy UWW side would've been able to handle the Vikings yesterday, as NPU's passing was pinpoint and the Vikings did a great job of presenting UWW's 6'6 keeper with multiple attack vectors to consider. When they're on their game, the ball skills and speed of North Park's forwards just make it very hard for an opposing defense to handle every angle. And I say this in spite of the fact that I think that NPU's back line is actually the team's strength. Their biggest obstacle to overcome against lesser sides is losing composure when the opponent slows it down and mucks up play, as Carthage did.

NPU and UWW now have a traveling trophy, which UWW coach Tony Guinn was nice enough to donate to make the rivalry official. UWW has several trophy rivalries, and since the Vikings and the Warhawks play each other every season, they've decided to add this one. As far as I know, this is the first time that NPU has had a trophy rivalry in any sport. It's nice that North Park gets to keep it for a year to show off as a novelty on campus.

Chicago is going to be another story, of course, as the Maroons are most certainly not a lesser side. On the contrary, the South Siders have the speed and skill to match the Vikings, which they proved last season by thoroughly turning the Park into a hot mess at the defensive end. Chicago will be far and away the best side that the Vikings face in the regular season this year. We'll see if they're up to it. This contest down in Hyde Park will go a long way towards sorting out the pecking order in the NCAA's Central Region rankings.

No stats or video for today's soccer game against Whitewater - what's up with that?

NPU does not have a sports information director as of Friday. We're scrambling just to get the essentials of game management covered. Please be patient with us as we work through this.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 16, 2017, 01:01:17 pm
I wasn't aware that we don't have a SID.

Sunday I was looking forward to Da Bears on the big screen and the vikings on the little one...so was a little disappointed.

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 18, 2017, 10:20:34 pm
Wow, North Park with the win on the road at Chicago.  From what I saw, it looked like NP had control of this game most of the way.  They had many more dangerous opportunities than I saw from Chicago.  This could have easily been 3-0 or 4-0.  I was really impressed with the way NP's defence (I live in Canada, so this is the way "defense" autocorrects up here)  handled a highly touted Chicago offence. 

Greg, you'd know much better than I, is this the biggest win in NP Men's Soccer history?  Certainly those streak-breaking wins against Wheaton were, huge, but is the best win against a high ranked team?   
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on October 18, 2017, 10:33:12 pm
Wow, North Park with the win on the road at Chicago.  From what I saw, it looked like NP had control of this game most of the way.  They had many more dangerous opportunities than I saw from Chicago.  This could have easily been 3-0 or 4-0.  I was really impressed with the way NP's defence (I live in Canada, so this is the way "defense" autocorrects up here)  handled a highly touted Chicago offence. 

Greg, you'd know much better than I, is this the biggest win in NP Men's Soccer history?  Certainly those streak-breaking wins against Wheaton were, huge, but is the best win against a high ranked team?   
That's a stretch, that was a super even game with NPU controlling most of 1st half and UChicago taking back some momentum in the second half. NPU had one other legit chance at goal, all the rest were clear misses. Lopez almost scored two headers and the one that was saved right on the line woulda tied it late and sent to overtime. As someone who was there, it was extremely close in terms of skill.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 19, 2017, 01:42:06 am
Greg, you'd know much better than I, is this the biggest win in NP Men's Soccer history?  Certainly those streak-breaking wins against Wheaton were, huge, but is the best win against a high ranked team?   

No, those breakthrough wins a decade and a half ago against Wheaton were bigger, because: a) they put NPU on the map, soccerwise; b) they represented the Park's first-ever victories against Wheaton after two decades of humiliating losses; c) they broke Wheaton's hegemony in CCIW soccer, which had been in place since the league first added the sport in the mid-'80s; d) league matches are always more important; e) they got Wheaton's attention and ignited a rivalry that NPU had always dreamed about having, even though it is only in one sport; and f) it's Wheaton, and every win regardless of the sport is bigger when it's against Wheaton if you're NPU.

But this was certainly the biggest win NPU's recorded in a long, long time. It also represents the first time in twenty years that the Vikings have vanquished Chicago, against whom they were only 2-8-3 all-time coming into tonight's match. Most importantly, this will flip the next NCAA Central Region rankings. Chicago was #1 and North Park was #2 in the most recent ranking. (Calvin is still undefeated, but the SOS of the Knights lags well behind that of both NPU and Chicago; in fact, the Knights are currently #4, behind the two Windy City sides and Wash U.)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Falconer on October 19, 2017, 07:24:26 am
Greg, you'd know much better than I, is this the biggest win in NP Men's Soccer history?  Certainly those streak-breaking wins against Wheaton were, huge, but is the best win against a high ranked team?   

No, those breakthrough wins a decade and a half ago against Wheaton were bigger, because: a) they put NPU on the map, soccerwise; b) they represented the Park's first-ever victories against Wheaton after two decades of humiliating losses; c) they broke Wheaton's hegemony in CCIW soccer, which had been in place since the league first added the sport in the mid-'80s; d) league matches are always more important; e) they got Wheaton's attention and ignited a rivalry that NPU had always dreamed about having, even though it is only in one sport; and f) it's Wheaton, and every win regardless of the sport is bigger when it's against Wheaton if you're NPU.

But this was certainly the biggest win NPU's recorded in a long, long time. It also represents the first time in twenty years that the Vikings have vanquished Chicago, against whom they were only 2-8-3 all-time coming into tonight's match. Most importantly, this will flip the next NCAA Central Region rankings. Chicago was #1 and North Park was #2 in the most recent ranking. (Calvin is still undefeated, but the SOS of the Knights lags well behind that of both NPU and Chicago; in fact, the Knights are currently #4, behind the two Windy City sides and Wash U.)

Incidentally, the rise of NPU soccer has taken place under a president (David Parkyn) who worked for a long time at two other soccer powers, first Messiah and then Etown. He used to live a block from Messiah's campus in downtown Grantham, if I may call it that--Grantham isn't on most state maps. I have no idea whether those dots actually connect as I sketched it, but someone here might be able to comment on it from a position of knowledge.

There are some other Messiah connections nationally where the dots definitely do connect. For example, the coaches at F&M and Eastern are former Messiah players. Those programs have flourished in recent years substantially because the coaches implemented things they learned in Grantham. Perhaps NPU, indirectly, should also be in that bucket?  ::)
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 19, 2017, 09:05:26 am
Greg, you'd know much better than I, is this the biggest win in NP Men's Soccer history?  Certainly those streak-breaking wins against Wheaton were, huge, but is the best win against a high ranked team?   

No, those breakthrough wins a decade and a half ago against Wheaton were bigger, because: a) they put NPU on the map, soccerwise; b) they represented the Park's first-ever victories against Wheaton after two decades of humiliating losses; c) they broke Wheaton's hegemony in CCIW soccer, which had been in place since the league first added the sport in the mid-'80s; d) league matches are always more important; e) they got Wheaton's attention and ignited a rivalry that NPU had always dreamed about having, even though it is only in one sport; and f) it's Wheaton, and every win regardless of the sport is bigger when it's against Wheaton if you're NPU.

But this was certainly the biggest win NPU's recorded in a long, long time. It also represents the first time in twenty years that the Vikings have vanquished Chicago, against whom they were only 2-8-3 all-time coming into tonight's match. Most importantly, this will flip the next NCAA Central Region rankings. Chicago was #1 and North Park was #2 in the most recent ranking. (Calvin is still undefeated, but the SOS of the Knights lags well behind that of both NPU and Chicago; in fact, the Knights are currently #4, behind the two Windy City sides and Wash U.)

Incidentally, the rise of NPU soccer has taken place under a president (David Parkyn) who worked for a long time at two other soccer powers, first Messiah and then Etown. He used to live a block from Messiah's campus in downtown Grantham, if I may call it that--Grantham isn't on most state maps. I have no idea whether those dots actually connect as I sketched it, but someone here might be able to comment on it from a position of knowledge.

There are some other Messiah connections nationally where the dots definitely do connect. For example, the coaches at F&M and Eastern are former Messiah players. Those programs have flourished in recent years substantially because the coaches implemented things they learned in Grantham. Perhaps NPU, indirectly, should also be in that bucket?  ::)

Greg can probably give you better details, but I think the credit should really be given to the coach, John Born.  The program only had an upward trajectory after he arrived.

He's done a great job of recruiting quality American talent, as well as sustaining a pipeline of high level players from Sweden and Norway.   John likes to play a technical game (less physical / run and kick) style and I think that is enticing.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 19, 2017, 12:00:20 pm
Like Gotberg said, Greg would be able to comment better, but I too would give basically all the credit in this rise of NP Men's Soccer to Coach Born (who a few years just before David Parkyn).  My take is that it is purely coincidental that Parkyn's previous schools were soccer powers. 
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 19, 2017, 12:17:41 pm
Greg, you'd know much better than I, is this the biggest win in NP Men's Soccer history?  Certainly those streak-breaking wins against Wheaton were, huge, but is the best win against a high ranked team?   

No, those breakthrough wins a decade and a half ago against Wheaton were bigger, because: a) they put NPU on the map, soccerwise; b) they represented the Park's first-ever victories against Wheaton after two decades of humiliating losses; c) they broke Wheaton's hegemony in CCIW soccer, which had been in place since the league first added the sport in the mid-'80s; d) league matches are always more important; e) they got Wheaton's attention and ignited a rivalry that NPU had always dreamed about having, even though it is only in one sport; and f) it's Wheaton, and every win regardless of the sport is bigger when it's against Wheaton if you're NPU.

But this was certainly the biggest win NPU's recorded in a long, long time. It also represents the first time in twenty years that the Vikings have vanquished Chicago, against whom they were only 2-8-3 all-time coming into tonight's match. Most importantly, this will flip the next NCAA Central Region rankings. Chicago was #1 and North Park was #2 in the most recent ranking. (Calvin is still undefeated, but the SOS of the Knights lags well behind that of both NPU and Chicago; in fact, the Knights are currently #4, behind the two Windy City sides and Wash U.)

Incidentally, the rise of NPU soccer has taken place under a president (David Parkyn) who worked for a long time at two other soccer powers, first Messiah and then Etown.

That's not accurate. David Parkyn assumed the presidency of North Park in the fall of 2006. By that point, NPU had already broken through and won two straight conference titles and conference tourneys and made the program's NCAA tourney debut. The Vikings were on a two-match winning streak against Wheaton, which had won 16 of the first 17 CCIW titles and had amassed a 92-2-2 CCIW record along the way before North Park's breakthrough, when David Parkyn unpacked his boxes in the president's office.

He used to live a block from Messiah's campus in downtown Grantham, if I may call it that--Grantham isn't on most state maps. I have no idea whether those dots actually connect as I sketched it, but someone here might be able to comment on it from a position of knowledge.

There are some other Messiah connections nationally where the dots definitely do connect. For example, the coaches at F&M and Eastern are former Messiah players. Those programs have flourished in recent years substantially because the coaches implemented things they learned in Grantham. Perhaps NPU, indirectly, should also be in that bucket?  ::)

No. David Parkyn was an enthusiastic supporter of North Park athletics as president, and that certainly included the soccer team. (He's the only college/university president I've ever seen who wore a genuine soccer scarf with his school's colors and emblem on it at matches. ;)) But I'm sure that he didn't share any soccer expertise with head coach John Born, nor would John have done anything but listen politely with no intention of taking him seriously if he had.

The only real athletics connection that NPU has had with Messiah was a negative one. The late Jerry Chaplin became Messiah's athletic director after having held the same position at North Park. I won't get into the specifics of his decision-making as North Park's AD, but, while Messiah had tremendous success (particularly on the soccer pitch) under Chaplin's tenure in the AD's office, the opposite was true at North Park. The school's signature program, men's basketball (five D3 national titles, still the standard in this division in that sport), totally collapsed into doormat status on his watch, as did the other perennially strong program on campus (baseball), and morale in the North Park athletics department was at an all-time low. He didn't have any second-hand touch with the North Park soccer program, either, which was middle-of-the-pack in the CCIW during his time on the North Side of Chicago.

He seemed like a nice guy, but his time at North Park is not remembered fondly.

Greg can probably give you better details, but I think the credit should really be given to the coach, John Born.  The program only had an upward trajectory after he arrived.

He's done a great job of recruiting quality American talent, as well as sustaining a pipeline of high level players from Sweden and Norway.

This is 100% correct. One man, and one man alone, deserves the credit for making North Park soccer what it is, and that man is John Born.

Don't get me wrong; it's not a one-man show, and other people involved with the program are important to NPU's ongoing success. F'rinstance, associate head coach Kris Grahn has played a key role in the program since he joined the staff five years ago, but NPU's success on the pitch predates him -- and a lot of NPU's success came when he was a star player under Born (Grahn was a two-time NSCAA All-American and the CCIW's Player of the Year in 2010). Given the perennial prominence of Scandinavian players on NPU's roster, it's certainly helpful to have a Scandinavian coach on staff as well (Grahn is a Swede). But he coaches everybody, not just the Scandinavians, and that's really a big part of John Born's success; he's found a way to make the Americans and the Scandinavians meld successfully both on and off the pitch, which is nearly not as easy as it sounds. By all reports, this is perhaps the most internally cohesive squad he's ever had, and I'm sure that that translates in some measure on the pitch.

  John likes to play a technical game (less physical / run and kick) style and I think that is enticing.

I don't know about the "less physical" part, although the success of the Vikings has never been predicated upon mucking up matches. But, given enough big boys, NPU has certainly more than held its own in the giving and taking of bruises, too. This is actually one of his more physical Vikings outfits.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 19, 2017, 12:19:18 pm
Like Gotberg said, Greg would be able to comment better, but I too would give basically all the credit in this rise of NP Men's Soccer to Coach Born (who a few years just before David Parkyn).  My take is that it is purely coincidental that Parkyn's previous schools were soccer powers.

Yep. And I think that David Parkyn would be the first to tell you that it was a delightful coincidence, from his point of view, that NPU played a successful and polished brand of soccer during his presidency.

John Born took over as NPU's head coach in 1999, seven years before David Parkyn's arrival as president. The season before, 1998, North Park had finished last in the CCIW (0-6-0) and had an overall record of 1-14-1. In John's first season the Vikings went 6-8-2, 1-5-0, and since then they've had seventeen straight winning seasons, with the last fifteen including double-digit wins. They're extending those streaks to 18 and 16, respectively, this fall.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Falconer on October 19, 2017, 09:18:57 pm
Thanks very much to Gotberg and Gregory for those fascinating comments about NPU soccer and athletics more generally. I knew Dr Parkyn liked soccer, and that was the basis for my ill-supported conjecture. I certainly hadn't meant to imply that the coach didn't deserve the lion's share of the credit. I simply wondered whether support from the top was helpful in advancing the program.

I didn't know Jerry Chaplin very well at all. He left Messiah at some point before his death. The only time I would run into him would be at a soccer game--and then only occasionally. I never saw him around town. I hadn't known about his NPU connection.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 20, 2017, 09:04:28 am
Greg, you'd know much better than I, is this the biggest win in NP Men's Soccer history?  Certainly those streak-breaking wins against Wheaton were, huge, but is the best win against a high ranked team?   

No, those breakthrough wins a decade and a half ago against Wheaton were bigger, because: a) they put NPU on the map, soccerwise; b) they represented the Park's first-ever victories against Wheaton after two decades of humiliating losses; c) they broke Wheaton's hegemony in CCIW soccer, which had been in place since the league first added the sport in the mid-'80s; d) league matches are always more important; e) they got Wheaton's attention and ignited a rivalry that NPU had always dreamed about having, even though it is only in one sport; and f) it's Wheaton, and every win regardless of the sport is bigger when it's against Wheaton if you're NPU.

But this was certainly the biggest win NPU's recorded in a long, long time. It also represents the first time in twenty years that the Vikings have vanquished Chicago, against whom they were only 2-8-3 all-time coming into tonight's match. Most importantly, this will flip the next NCAA Central Region rankings. Chicago was #1 and North Park was #2 in the most recent ranking. (Calvin is still undefeated, but the SOS of the Knights lags well behind that of both NPU and Chicago; in fact, the Knights are currently #4, behind the two Windy City sides and Wash U.)

Incidentally, the rise of NPU soccer has taken place under a president (David Parkyn) who worked for a long time at two other soccer powers, first Messiah and then Etown.

That's not accurate. David Parkyn assumed the presidency of North Park in the fall of 2006. By that point, NPU had already broken through and won two straight conference titles and conference tourneys and made the program's NCAA tourney debut. The Vikings were on a two-match winning streak against Wheaton, which had won 16 of the first 17 CCIW titles and had amassed a 92-2-2 CCIW record along the way before North Park's breakthrough, when David Parkyn unpacked his boxes in the president's office.

He used to live a block from Messiah's campus in downtown Grantham, if I may call it that--Grantham isn't on most state maps. I have no idea whether those dots actually connect as I sketched it, but someone here might be able to comment on it from a position of knowledge.

There are some other Messiah connections nationally where the dots definitely do connect. For example, the coaches at F&M and Eastern are former Messiah players. Those programs have flourished in recent years substantially because the coaches implemented things they learned in Grantham. Perhaps NPU, indirectly, should also be in that bucket?  ::)

No. David Parkyn was an enthusiastic supporter of North Park athletics as president, and that certainly included the soccer team. (He's the only college/university president I've ever seen who wore a genuine soccer scarf with his school's colors and emblem on it at matches. ;)) But I'm sure that he didn't share any soccer expertise with head coach John Born, nor would John have done anything but listen politely with no intention of taking him seriously if he had.

The only real athletics connection that NPU has had with Messiah was a negative one. The late Jerry Chaplin became Messiah's athletic director after having held the same position at North Park. I won't get into the specifics of his decision-making as North Park's AD, but, while Messiah had tremendous success (particularly on the soccer pitch) under Chaplin's tenure in the AD's office, the opposite was true at North Park. The school's signature program, men's basketball (five D3 national titles, still the standard in this division in that sport), totally collapsed into doormat status on his watch, as did the other perennially strong program on campus (baseball), and morale in the North Park athletics department was at an all-time low. He didn't have any second-hand touch with the North Park soccer program, either, which was middle-of-the-pack in the CCIW during his time on the North Side of Chicago.

He seemed like a nice guy, but his time at North Park is not remembered fondly.

Greg can probably give you better details, but I think the credit should really be given to the coach, John Born.  The program only had an upward trajectory after he arrived.

He's done a great job of recruiting quality American talent, as well as sustaining a pipeline of high level players from Sweden and Norway.

This is 100% correct. One man, and one man alone, deserves the credit for making North Park soccer what it is, and that man is John Born.

Don't get me wrong; it's not a one-man show, and other people involved with the program are important to NPU's ongoing success. F'rinstance, associate head coach Kris Grahn has played a key role in the program since he joined the staff five years ago, but NPU's success on the pitch predates him -- and a lot of NPU's success came when he was a star player under Born (Grahn was a two-time NSCAA All-American and the CCIW's Player of the Year in 2010). Given the perennial prominence of Scandinavian players on NPU's roster, it's certainly helpful to have a Scandinavian coach on staff as well (Grahn is a Swede). But he coaches everybody, not just the Scandinavians, and that's really a big part of John Born's success; he's found a way to make the Americans and the Scandinavians meld successfully both on and off the pitch, which is nearly not as easy as it sounds. By all reports, this is perhaps the most internally cohesive squad he's ever had, and I'm sure that that translates in some measure on the pitch.

  John likes to play a technical game (less physical / run and kick) style and I think that is enticing.

I don't know about the "less physical" part, although the success of the Vikings has never been predicated upon mucking up matches. But, given enough big boys, NPU has certainly more than held its own in the giving and taking of bruises, too. This is actually one of his more physical Vikings outfits.

My mention of less physical means they don't have to be physical to make up for inferior soccer abilities.  I.e, some soccer teams will tackle hard, push to intimidate because they don't have matching soccer skills.  Back in my time at North Park, this was probably us :)

Some fairly recent Carthage, Augie and Elmhurst teams are examples where physicality made up for soccer quality.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 20, 2017, 01:08:53 pm
My mention of less physical means they don't have to be physical to make up for inferior soccer abilities.  I.e, some soccer teams will tackle hard, push to intimidate because they don't have matching soccer skills.  Back in my time at North Park, this was probably us :)

Yeah, that's what I figured you meant, which is why I made reference to good John Born teams not needing to muck up matches. I just wanted to state for the sake of clarity that there have been good Vikings sides like this present one that can, and will, dish it out as well as take it.

Some fairly recent Carthage, Augie and Elmhurst teams are examples where physicality made up for soccer quality.

Those would be my three CCIW examples as well, and by that I mean three CCIW programs that have been successful at overcoming skill or speed shortcomings by being physical. That category no longer includes Augie at the moment, though, since the Doggies are currently abysmal, and on occasion Carthage has been so highly skilled and/or fast that the Red Men really didn't have to resort to smashmouth soccer much.

Elmhurst is another story. The Bluejays have practically fetishized bullying tactics over the years, in tandem with an overly defensive-oriented style of play. That doesn't seem to be working well this season, though, as the 'jays are currently 7-6-2 overall and are probably on the outside looking in as far as the CCIW tourney picture is concerned. Not only are they 2-4 in the league, but three of their four losses were pretty lopsided:

North Central 3, EC 0
Wheaton 4, EC 0
Carthage 5, EC 0

Only their 2-1 double-OT loss at Illinois Wesleyan looked winnable.

Still, playing Elmhurst always makes me nervous, no matter what the record of the 'jays happens to be. DiTomasso's sides always have a tendency to get up for North Park, and I've seen too many Vikings helped off the pitch (or carted off) in the past to take EC lightly.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 20, 2017, 02:15:25 pm
Thanks very much to Gotberg and Gregory for those fascinating comments about NPU soccer and athletics more generally. I knew Dr Parkyn liked soccer, and that was the basis for my ill-supported conjecture. I certainly hadn't meant to imply that the coach didn't deserve the lion's share of the credit. I simply wondered whether support from the top was helpful in advancing the program.

Having a soccer-loving university president certainly didn't hurt, but I don't think it helped, either. I've never seen the men's soccer program get any particular perquisites from either NPU in general or from the president's office specifically, and that's been true before, during, and after David Parkyn's presidency. And the NPU athletics department is pretty scrupulous about fairly apportioning its (very limited) resources to the various varsity programs.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 22, 2017, 04:20:25 pm
In spite of having the run of play for the most part and a decided statistical edge, NPU required an own goal by Case Western Reserve this afternoon in the 85th minute to escape Cleveland with a 3-2 win. It propels the Park to 13-1-1 on the season.

While they're riding home on the bus, they can contemplate the ambiguous feelings they must be having for archrival Wheaton right now. The Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance did the Vikings a solid yesterday by taking down North Central in Wheaton, 2-0, to leave NPU the last unbeaten team standing. The Vikings can now clinch the CCIW title and home-pitch advantage with a win at home over North Central on Wednesday.

The other big match yesterday took place in Bloomington, where Carthage snapped back from that bad loss to Millikin by taking down erstwhile third-place Illinois Wesleyan, 2-1. Here's the standings and remaining CCIW matches for the five sides still in competition for the CCIW tourney:

*North Park  5-0-1  13-1-1  vs. NCC, @ EC
North Central  5-1    8-6-1  @ NPU, vs. IWU
Wheaton  4-2    8-7  vs. IWU, @ MU
Illinois Wesleyan  3-2    8-5-1  @ WC, vs. AC, @ NCC
Carthage  3-2-1  10-6-2  @ CU, vs. AC
Elmhurst  3-4    8-6-2  vs. NPU

*clinched tournament berth
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: tjcummingsfan on October 24, 2017, 01:39:24 pm
There was a little bit of a shake-up last night as Wheaton lost at home to IWU 4-1.  Here's how the standings look going in to tomorrow's games. 

*North Park  5-0-1  13-1-1  vs. NCC, @ EC
North Central  5-1    8-6-1  @ NPU, vs. IWU
Illinois Wesleyan  4-2    8-5-1  vs. AC, @ NCC
Wheaton  4-3    8-7  @ MU
Carthage  3-2-1  10-6-2  @ CU, vs. AC
Elmhurst  3-4    8-6-2  vs. NPU

*clinched tournament berth

We've seen some crazy results this year, so I'd rather not speculate beyond what's here.  Depending on tie-breakers (that I haven't taken the time to look up) there are 6 teams vying for conference spots going in to the last week. This should be a really entertaining week of CCIW soccer. 

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 24, 2017, 02:38:43 pm
That is definitely a crazy result, especially as it seemed that Wheaton had found itself and was building late-season momentum by winning four matches in a row. It also sounded like the match itself was fairly even in terms of run of play (WC actually took more shots and had a lot more corners, and shots on frame were even), but IWU had better opportunities, better finishing, or better goalkeeping -- or some combination of the three. It's a particularly damaging loss for the Sonic Atmospheric Disturbance. As we head into the final two days of CCIW regular-season play, Wheaton, which has participated in all 15 CCIW tourneys held to date, is by no means a sure thing to make it 16-for-16. Wheaton fans will certainly be in the uncomfortable position of rooting for NPU tomorrow night, as well as rooting for their own troops down in Decatur.

Elmhurst loses tiebreakers to both Wheaton and Illinois Wesleyan, both of whom beat the 'jays head-to-head, so Illinois Wesleyan's win last night eliminated Elmhurst from tournament consideration. Even though Carthage is in fifth, the Red Men are actually in pretty good shape, since they have the two weakest sides in the league remaining on their schedule. The three untied teams have an interesting situation between them, as Wheaton has defeated North Central and Illinois Wesleyan has defeated Wheaton; that IWU @ NCC match on Saturday could loom very large.

North Park would clinch the CCIW title with a win tomorrow night. There's a chance that we'll have multiple cameras on hand for our broadcast coverage for that match, so that's pretty exciting, as I suspect that we'll have a lot of viewers. A North Central win wouldn't guarantee an NCC title, and in fact it would still be a tough slog for the Cards to pull off the championship, since Illinois Wesleyan will also be playing for something and the Titans thus promise to be a tough customer on Saturday.

In the bigger picture, I think that NPU appears at the moment to be in good shape for a Pool C berth if one is needed, provided that the Vikings don't fold like an accordion over the next two weeks. I don't really see a way for any of the other four sides contending for a CCIW tourney spot to get into the D3 tourney via the Pool C route.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 26, 2017, 01:15:07 am
North Park clinched the CCIW championship and home pitch in the conference tourney by downing second-place North Central tonight, 3-0. The Vikings, who now find themselves in first place in the Central Region rankings, trading places with Chicago atop the region after having beaten the Maroons last Wednesday, advance to 14-1-1 on the season.

NPU's archrival and fellow traditional CCIW power Wheaton went in the opposite direction, as WC suffered a shocking draw at the hands of lowly Millikin tonight, 2-2. That eliminates Wheaton (4-3-1 in CCIW) from contention for a spot in the four-team CCIW tourney, as fourth-place Carthage (4-2-1) owns the tiebreaker with one league match remaining for the Red Men. After making the first 15 CCIW tourneys, Wheaton's streak is snapped, and WC will instead clean out the lockers after the final regular-season match on Saturday. The last time Wheaton's season ended without at least one extra match tacked on to the end of the schedule was 1992.

Illinois Wesleyan and Carthage both won, so the tourney field is set. All that remains to be seen is where the Titans, Cardinals, and Red Men will wind up in the seeding, as IWU and NCC, both now 5-2 in CCIW play, square off for second place and a first-round home match on Saturday in Naperville, while Carthage finishes up with a home contest against last-place Augustana.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gotberg on October 26, 2017, 09:03:25 am
North Park clinched the CCIW championship and home pitch in the conference tourney by downing second-place North Central tonight, 3-0. The Vikings, who now find themselves in first place in the Central Region rankings, trading places with Chicago atop the region after having beaten the Maroons last Wednesday, advance to 14-1-1 on the season.

NPU's archrival and fellow traditional CCIW power Wheaton went in the opposite direction, as WC suffered a shocking draw at the hands of lowly Millikin tonight, 2-2. That eliminates Wheaton (4-3-1 in CCIW) from contention for a spot in the four-team CCIW tourney, as fourth-place Carthage (4-2-1) owns the tiebreaker with one league match remaining for the Red Men. After making the first 15 CCIW tourneys, Wheaton's streak is snapped, and WC will instead clean out the lockers after the final regular-season match on Saturday. The last time Wheaton's season ended without at least one extra match tacked on to the end of the schedule was 1992.

Illinois Wesleyan and Carthage both won, so the tourney field is set. All that remains to be seen is where the Titans, Cardinals, and Red Men will wind up in the seeding, as IWU and NCC, both now 5-2 in CCIW play, square off for second place and a first-round home match on Saturday in Naperville, while Carthage finishes up with a home contest against last-place Augustana.

Greg, I enjoyed the new broadcast service - seeing the score/time and the multiple camera angles (replays too?).  Not sure if others experienced the same, but the broadcast stopped for me about 40 minutes into the game.  Mentioning it, just so you have some feedback.

I said after the Benedictine game, that this could be a fabulous NP team, and they proved it all season long.  Congrats to them. 

Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 26, 2017, 11:06:46 am
North Park clinched the CCIW championship and home pitch in the conference tourney by downing second-place North Central tonight, 3-0. The Vikings, who now find themselves in first place in the Central Region rankings, trading places with Chicago atop the region after having beaten the Maroons last Wednesday, advance to 14-1-1 on the season.

NPU's archrival and fellow traditional CCIW power Wheaton went in the opposite direction, as WC suffered a shocking draw at the hands of lowly Millikin tonight, 2-2. That eliminates Wheaton (4-3-1 in CCIW) from contention for a spot in the four-team CCIW tourney, as fourth-place Carthage (4-2-1) owns the tiebreaker with one league match remaining for the Red Men. After making the first 15 CCIW tourneys, Wheaton's streak is snapped, and WC will instead clean out the lockers after the final regular-season match on Saturday. The last time Wheaton's season ended without at least one extra match tacked on to the end of the schedule was 1992.

Illinois Wesleyan and Carthage both won, so the tourney field is set. All that remains to be seen is where the Titans, Cardinals, and Red Men will wind up in the seeding, as IWU and NCC, both now 5-2 in CCIW play, square off for second place and a first-round home match on Saturday in Naperville, while Carthage finishes up with a home contest against last-place Augustana.

Greg, I enjoyed the new broadcast service - seeing the score/time and the multiple camera angles (replays too?).  Not sure if others experienced the same, but the broadcast stopped for me about 40 minutes into the game.  Mentioning it, just so you have some feedback.

I hadn't heard that there were any problems, but I'll pass that along. My monitor wasn't working during the men's contest (it worked during the women's), but I'm used to not having access to a live monitor (or replays), so it didn't bother me.

I said after the Benedictine game, that this could be a fabulous NP team, and they proved it all season long.  Congrats to them.

NPU seems very hungry. I do not think that this team is content to rest upon its laurels.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: LM3 on October 26, 2017, 01:43:38 pm
North Park clinched the CCIW championship and home pitch in the conference tourney by downing second-place North Central tonight, 3-0. The Vikings, who now find themselves in first place in the Central Region rankings, trading places with Chicago atop the region after having beaten the Maroons last Wednesday, advance to 14-1-1 on the season.

NPU's archrival and fellow traditional CCIW power Wheaton went in the opposite direction, as WC suffered a shocking draw at the hands of lowly Millikin tonight, 2-2. That eliminates Wheaton (4-3-1 in CCIW) from contention for a spot in the four-team CCIW tourney, as fourth-place Carthage (4-2-1) owns the tiebreaker with one league match remaining for the Red Men. After making the first 15 CCIW tourneys, Wheaton's streak is snapped, and WC will instead clean out the lockers after the final regular-season match on Saturday. The last time Wheaton's season ended without at least one extra match tacked on to the end of the schedule was 1992.

Illinois Wesleyan and Carthage both won, so the tourney field is set. All that remains to be seen is where the Titans, Cardinals, and Red Men will wind up in the seeding, as IWU and NCC, both now 5-2 in CCIW play, square off for second place and a first-round home match on Saturday in Naperville, while Carthage finishes up with a home contest against last-place Augustana.

Greg, I enjoyed the new broadcast service - seeing the score/time and the multiple camera angles (replays too?).  Not sure if others experienced the same, but the broadcast stopped for me about 40 minutes into the game.  Mentioning it, just so you have some feedback.

I hadn't heard that there were any problems, but I'll pass that along. My monitor wasn't working during the men's contest (it worked during the women's), but I'm used to not having access to a live monitor (or replays), so it didn't bother me.

I said after the Benedictine game, that this could be a fabulous NP team, and they proved it all season long.  Congrats to them.

NPU seems very hungry. I do not think that this team is content to rest upon its laurels.

I was on hand for that NPU/Benedictine match and have seen them a few more times on vid...I am rooting for them, and do believe they have a good chance to make some noise. Very good team!
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: blue_jays on October 26, 2017, 02:47:05 pm
North Park clinched the CCIW championship and home pitch in the conference tourney by downing second-place North Central tonight, 3-0. The Vikings, who now find themselves in first place in the Central Region rankings, trading places with Chicago atop the region after having beaten the Maroons last Wednesday, advance to 14-1-1 on the season.

NPU's archrival and fellow traditional CCIW power Wheaton went in the opposite direction, as WC suffered a shocking draw at the hands of lowly Millikin tonight, 2-2. That eliminates Wheaton (4-3-1 in CCIW) from contention for a spot in the four-team CCIW tourney, as fourth-place Carthage (4-2-1) owns the tiebreaker with one league match remaining for the Red Men. After making the first 15 CCIW tourneys, Wheaton's streak is snapped, and WC will instead clean out the lockers after the final regular-season match on Saturday. The last time Wheaton's season ended without at least one extra match tacked on to the end of the schedule was 1992.

Illinois Wesleyan and Carthage both won, so the tourney field is set. All that remains to be seen is where the Titans, Cardinals, and Red Men will wind up in the seeding, as IWU and NCC, both now 5-2 in CCIW play, square off for second place and a first-round home match on Saturday in Naperville, while Carthage finishes up with a home contest against last-place Augustana.

I wouldn't call any of Wheaton's results shocking. They just aren't the Wheaton of the past, and I'm not sure when they'll get back to that level again. The Wheaton standard of talent just isn't there. I thought they were a .500 team going into this year and that's what it seems to be. I've got several thoughts on the recent downfall, but I don't like being a guy who talks trash on teams in a public forum when they're still out there trying their best to win like everyone else.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 28, 2017, 07:06:10 pm
Illinois Wesleyan took down North Central in Naperville, 2-1, on a Doug Ballard goal 49 seconds deep into overtime, and clinches the second seed and the right to host a semifinal with a 6-2 record. North Central, which fell to 5-3, will get the #4 seed and return to the North Side of Chicago on Wednesday to face North Park, unless Carthage loses to Augustana tonight in Kenosha -- a possibility that seems pretty unlikely. The easy guess is that it'll be Carthage @ Illinois Wesleyan and North Central @ North Park on Wednesday night.
Title: Re: CCIW
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 28, 2017, 11:07:01 pm