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Title: Who should be #1?
Post by: BigPoppa on December 16, 2009, 03:31:47 pm
Just trying to drum up some conversation while the snow sits on the ground.

Who should be the #1 team in pre-season poll?

Who should be #1 in each region?

New England 
New York 
South Region
Midwest Region
Mid-East Region
Mid-Atlantic Region
Central Region
West Region
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: LTBB1971 on December 17, 2009, 05:52:05 pm
For the South region I think it should be Shenandoah University.  They have JR 1B/P Van Sickler, JR CF Brashers, SR 3B Van Dusseldorp and SR SS Henry returning to form a great nucleus...and they can hit the lights out the ball. 

Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on December 17, 2009, 06:09:43 pm
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring - Roger Hornsby
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: BigPoppa on January 19, 2010, 10:09:09 am
Big Poppa's Preseason Poll:

01 Wooster
02 St. Thomas
03 Salisbury
04 UW-Stevens Point
05 Eastern Connecticut
06 Heidelberg
07 Pomona-Pitzer
08 Chapman
09 Kean
10 Trinity (Conn.)
11 Adrian
12 Texas-Tyler
13 Southern Maine
14 Carthage
15 Wheaton (Mass.)
16 Millsaps
17 Keystone
18 Shenandoah
19 Cortland State
20 Marietta
21 Illinois Wesleyan
22 St. Olaf
23 Cal Lutheran
24 St. Scholastica
25 Beloit

Thoughts? How did I do? Before everyone jumps on me about Beloit, consider the fact that they return their ENTIRE team from last year's Regional qualifier. Texas-Tyler may be a bit high as well, but they usually find their way to the top by the end. I also get a funny feeling everytime I think of Stevens Point in 2010.

Carthage (my alma mater) is #5 in the Collegiate Baseball poll, but I do not see them as that strong yet. They have young, un-proven pitching that needs to step up before I bump them up (Two all-americans from last year are not back in 2010... one transferred and one had surgery. All the weight falls on Jr. Mario Perez).

Chapman lost a ton of talent from last season's squad to graduation, the MLB Draft and transfers out of the program. Their Freshmen DH, Ben Owens, transferred to Fullerton JC. How quickly the Panthers can reload could determine their success in 2010.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: OshDude on January 19, 2010, 11:06:28 am
Mine wouldn't be too different. My top five?
UST
Wooster
Salisbury
ECSU
UWSP

All conjecture, but we disagree on:
Shenandoah (top 10)
Rose-Hulman (I like ... a lot)
RPI (see above)
Tyler (not top 25 to me)
Millsaps (see above)
Pomona (much lower than you)

My radar has Whitewater, Wash & Jeff and St. Joe's (ME). I like the Beloit nod, btw.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: BigPoppa on January 19, 2010, 11:24:19 am
I do like Whitewater as well. I had a few just left off... Whitewater, RPI, Linfield and St. Joe's. FYI: I only have Pomona that high as I am a bit unsure of Chapman and Pomona could dominate the Cal schools without Chapman as a solid threat.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: cubs on January 19, 2010, 11:39:17 am
Carthage (my alma mater) is #5 in the Collegiate Baseball poll, but I do not see them as that strong yet. They have young, un-proven pitching that needs to step up before I bump them up (Two all-americans from last year are not back in 2010... one transferred and one had surgery. All the weight falls on Jr. Mario Perez).
So where did Jaehne-Llanas transfer this time?  I believe this will be the third school for him in four years.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 19, 2010, 04:32:10 pm
Big Poppa's Preseason Poll:

01 Wooster
...
25 Beloit

Thoughts? How did I do? Before everyone jumps on me about Beloit, consider the fact that they return their ENTIRE team from last year's Regional qualifier. \


Maybe you have Beloit too low.  I started paying attention to them a few years back and they have shown progress every year.  This is once again the year starts with few strong teams in the Midwest and Central region they should have a decent showing.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 19, 2010, 04:35:29 pm
I do like Whitewater as well. I had a few just left off... Whitewater, RPI, Linfield and St. Joe's. FYI: I only have Pomona that high as I am a bit unsure of Chapman and Pomona could dominate the Cal schools without Chapman as a solid threat.

They key to Chapman's success will be the ever decreasing B Pool.   They peaked last year for to keep their consecutive championship round appearance streak current and could do the same.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: Yanksfan on January 19, 2010, 05:14:30 pm
Why don't any of you give Farmingdale any credit? They made it to the world series last year picking up wins during the season over Southern Maine and Cortland. In  the regional they beat a good RPI team twice and sent Cortland packing while blowing Clackson out. Yeah their first game of the world series wasn't pretty but they played Chapman tough. They have now gone to the regional two years in a row and only seem to be getting better. They don't deserve to be in the top 25?
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 19, 2010, 10:34:29 pm
Why don't any of you give Farmingdale any credit? They made it to the world series last year picking up wins during the season over Southern Maine and Cortland. In  the regional they beat a good RPI team twice and sent Cortland packing while blowing Clackson out. Yeah their first game of the world series wasn't pretty but they played Chapman tough. They have now gone to the regional two years in a row and only seem to be getting better. They don't deserve to be in the top 25?

I expect Farmingdale to crack the top 25.  I think that with their SS and Heeman, they will not be the team they were in the regional.  Heeman did not pitch in the championship round and the results were predictable.  Osik has a good program going (should easily hit 100 wins in his career this season) and I know he could give the Cortlands and RPI's a run for their money.   Personally I don't see it this year but will be pleasently surprised if I am wrong.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: BigPoppa on January 20, 2010, 07:50:59 am
Agree 100% with you, Jim. I'd love to see Farmingdale rise up and challenge in the New York region, which has been dominated by only a few programs in the past 30 years. I am not sure if 2010 is the season for them though. I'd be happy if I were wrong.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: d3baseballnut on January 20, 2010, 03:46:15 pm
Hopkins should be #1!!!

 ;D

 Seriously though, they are really going to be able to swing it. Pitching is the question mark.


(What else is new?)
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: BigPoppa on January 20, 2010, 04:33:02 pm
Hopkins should be #1!!!

 ;D

 Seriously though, they are really going to be able to swing it. Pitching is the question mark.


(What else is new?)

They ALWAYS swing it well. That should be no surprise to anyone. How they pitch and catch will determine their fate this season (couldn't we say that about every team though).
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: ECSUalum on January 20, 2010, 04:55:56 pm
Should Salisbury be ranked this high?  Seniors last year were their ace pitcher, (Eric Willey), and two pretty good offensive players in Jordan Crystal and Cody Collins.  I assume they have graduated. Dont know if they reloaded with transfers.

Also, they don't seem to play the toughest schedule and while they have made a 15 NCAA Regional appearances, they have only translated that to 2 CWS appearances.  Just my observations
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: LTBB1971 on January 20, 2010, 05:26:03 pm
I highly disagree...

Salisbury played us (NCWC) last year so I saw them personnally and as well in the NCAA South Regionals.

They still have 1B Mike Celenza (.469, 12, 57), OF Andrew Miller (.406, 9, 46), OF Bill Morton (.371, 4, 40) and 3B Chad Wolfe (.329, 2, 19) coming back plus loaded in pitching with RHP Chad Wolfe (6-1, 1.44), RHP Kyle Judson (9-0, 3.16), LHP Dustin Herbert (7-2, 3.50) and LHP Kyle Starr (2-1, 4.66).

As far as quality wins, they beat

VA Wesleyan
NC Wesleyan (twice)
Cortland
York (three times)
Wesley (twice)
CNU
John Hopkins
Montclair State
Washington & Lee

They were pretty solid...

 
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: ECSUalum on January 20, 2010, 08:06:02 pm
OK, maybe so, however I would like to see them make more appearances in Grand Chute WI. They seem to have problems every year making it out of the South Regionals.  IMO if they had more historical success in the Regionals, then I could rationalize them ranked in the top 10 preseason polls


NCAA Division III Baseball Championship
All-Time Won-Lost Records • Regionals & Finals (1976-2007)


Team (Years Participated)                                            Yrs. Won     Lost      Pct.     1st     2nd    3rd    4th
Salisbury University (Md.)                                              13    24       26      .480       0        0        0        1
(1977-78-80-81-83-2000-01-02-03-04-05-06-07)

NCAA Division III Baseball Championship
All-Time Won-Lost Records • Finals Only (1976-2007)

Team (Years Participated)                                              Yrs.   Won     Lost     Pct.    1st     2nd     3rd
Salisbury University (Md.)                                                2        2          4      .333     0         0         0
(2001, 2004)
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: AlleyCat on January 25, 2010, 08:35:34 am
Pre-Season Poll

1. St Thomas (41-13) Defending Champs
2. Wooster (43-11)
3. Salisbury (38-8)
4. ECONN (39-8)
5. Chapman (32-17)
6. Keystone (40-6)
7. Shenandoah (38-10)
8. Pomona Pitzer (37-7)
9. Kean (39-11)
10. Carthage (38-9)
11. Whitewater (30-19)
12. Rensselaer (RPI) (37-13)
13. Trinity (33-7)
14. Heidelberg (37-9)
15. SUNY Cortland (31-14)
16. Southern Maine (36-9)
17. Marietta (32-17)
18. George Fox (36-11)
19. Adrian (33-11)
20. Stevens Point (31-16)
21. Oneonta State (27-12)
22. Wheaton (MA) (30-12)
23. Beloit (28-9)
24. Pacific Luthern (31-9)
25. TCNJ (27-18-1)

Just some food for thought.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: ECSUalum on January 25, 2010, 02:07:42 pm
BIGPOPPA,

I direct this primarily at you, as you seem to have excellent insight on the D3 polling process through the year!

Has anyone ever looked, (historically), at how many teams in the D3 pre-season polls actually end up in the final D3 poll, (post CWS).  Is there generally good correlation?  I would guess maybe 60-70% of teams showing in preseason end up in final season poll.

Also would be interesting to ask same question re D-I and D-II and compare.  Would think D-I would be +80 % correlation due to more press on transfers and freshmen coming in, (ie scholarships).

More food for thought.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 26, 2010, 01:36:23 am
D3baseball.com Top 25

1     St. Thomas (17)     41-13     603
2    Wooster (6)    43-11    599
3    Kean    39-11    527
4    Eastern Connecticut    39-8    511
5    Trinity (Conn.)    37-7    467
6    Salisbury (1)    38-8    441
7    Chapman (1)    32-17    401
8    Carthage    38-9    389
9    Shenandoah    38-10    361
10    Heidelberg    37-9    350
11    Keystone    40-6    289
12    Pomona-Pitzer    37-7    267
13    RPI    37-13    262
14    Marietta    32-11    252
15    Adrian    33-11    244
16    Southern Maine    36-9    237
17    Cortland State    31-14    215
18    UW-Stevens Point    31-16    196
19    George Fox    36-11    137
20    Texas-Tyler    39-12    126
21    Rose-Hulman    32-14    122
22    St. Scholastica    36-7    116
23    Farmingdale State    30-17    105
24    Linfield    28-12    103
25    St. Olaf    32-14    89

Top 25 Press Release 2010 Pre-season Poll (http://www.d3baseball.com/notables/2010/01/26/7061/st-thomas-wooster-top-poll.html)
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: golden_dome on January 26, 2010, 10:50:01 am
Jim,
Is there a way to fix the "view the entire" link on the Top 25 poll so you can see the other teams who received votes?
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 26, 2010, 12:21:47 pm
Jim,
Is there a way to fix the "view the entire" link on the Top 25 poll so you can see the other teams who received votes?


There is always a way.  Until then:

Also receiving votes: Wheaton (Mass.) 86, St. Joseph's (Maine) 69,  Johns Hopkins 63, UW-Whitewater 57, Millsaps 54, Penn State-Behrend 44,
Cal Lutheran 42, Beloit 37, Otterbein 34, Curry 29, Catholic 23, Illinois Wesleyan 21, Wheaton (Ill.) 20, Pacific Lutheran 16, UW-Oshkosh 13,
Ithaca 13, Washington and Jefferson 12, Mount St. Joseph 11, Texas Lutheran
11, Birmingham-Southern 10, Bethel 9, Wartburg 9, Rhodes 6, Western New
 England 6, Christopher Newport 5, Concordia (Ill.) 3, Trinity (Texas) 3, Franklin 3, Emory 2, Augustana 1, Ohio Wesleyan 1, Webster 1,
Lynchburg 1, Mississippi College 1
 
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 26, 2010, 03:22:03 pm
Jim,
Is there a way to fix the "view the entire" link on the Top 25 poll so you can see the other teams who received votes?

We are displaying the other schools who received votes now.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: PMPlayer325 on January 27, 2010, 07:55:09 pm
Salisbury is a good team and they always will be. They do play an easy schedule at first but once the CAC play starts, then the season gets tough for them. They lost several key players but they kept most of their talent.

As teams in the CAC, I could see York PA doing and possibly Wesley College.

York PA should be able to repeat and go to the NCAA regionals. They outlasted Salisbury in regionals again last year. I know they are still young, did they have any of their top performers leave? If not, watch for them to make some noise.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: John McGraw on January 27, 2010, 11:43:13 pm
Salisbury is a good team and they always will be. They do play an easy schedule at first but once the CAC play starts, then the season gets tough for them. They lost several key players but they kept most of their talent.

As teams in the CAC, I could see York PA doing and possibly Wesley College.

York PA should be able to repeat and go to the NCAA regionals. They outlasted Salisbury in regionals again last year. I know they are still young, did they have any of their top performers leave? If not, watch for them to make some noise.

Catcher Rob Andrews transferred to a school up north.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: ECSUalum on January 29, 2010, 01:30:41 pm
Below find the statistics for the teams in the Collegiate Baseball Preseason Polls, (2005-2009), and where they ended up in the final poll for that year. ( ie first number- preseason, Second number final).

Comments:
1) Number of teams picked in preseason polls making final poll is generally 50% or less!
    2005 13 of 30
    2006 16 of 30
    2007 14 of 30
    2008 14 of 30
    2009 15 of 30

2) in 2007 and 2009 the preseason poll #1 pick never made the final poll and over the 5 yrs was never really close except for 2005

3) Historically strong teams, (past 10-15 yrs) in preseason poll picks generally end up in final poll, historically unknown teams which are picked in the pre poll generally do not make the final polls

2005                                        2006

Rowan 1-6                               Wootr  1-12
StTom  3-24                              CortSt  2-9
Chapm 4-4                               Chapm 4-3
ECtSU  6-29                             Rowan 5-21                    
Linfld    8-22                             WStPt   6-5
                                               Mrtta    8-1
Aurora 10-26                            TxLut    11-5
WWhit 11-1                              Otter    15-11
GFoxU  15-30                            KeanU  20t-20
Manch  16-23                            Ithaca  20t-17
Ithaca  17-19                            Whton  24t-2
LaVern 19-17                            Manch   24t-27
CortSt  24-2                              ECtSU   25-6
MWash 25-21                           GFoxU    26-23
                                               Aurora  30t-10
                                               Salbry   30t-18


2007                                        2008                                          2009

Chapm 2-5                            Wootr  1-20                                  Chapm  2-4
WSPt   4-3                             CortSt  2-5                                   Adrian   3-25
ECtSU  6-8                             KeanU 3-8                                    KeanU  4-5
Mrtta   7-7                             Chapm 4-4                                    USoM   5-13
Whton 9-11                           ECtSU  6-27                                  TrinCt   6-7
CortSt 11-4                           Carth   8-23                                  Woost   8-2
Wootr 13-10                         JHopk   10-2                                  WWhtr  9-15
StTom 14-17                         WOshk 11-25                                ECtSU   10-8    
KeanU 15-1                           TxTyl    18-15                                Salbry   11-11
Milsp   16-30t                         USoM  19-11                                Heidrgh 12-14
TxLut  18-15                          TrinCt  21-1                                  TxTy       13-23
Carth  19-6                            Ithaca 23-26                                Renslr    22-17
Ithaca 20-21                         Salbry  26-9                                  StTom     25-1
Salbry 21-25                          KnStC  30-24                                Ithaca    29-28
                                                                                               NewJer   30-24
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: BigPoppa on January 29, 2010, 02:06:58 pm
Great work. What is unreal to me is how consistent Chapman has been. Five straight years finishing in the top four in the final poll!
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: ECSUalum on January 29, 2010, 02:18:24 pm
Thanks Poppa,

I guess re Chapman, there are just a lot of great kids playing in SoCal and the big D-I/D-II teams can't absorb them all. I presume Chapman also is a desirable school to go to, certainly nice weather  8-)

One other comment on above post, of course should be that coaches, sports writers SIDs have difficulty with preseason pick due to:

1) Lack of D-III scholarships make for less press on freshman/transfers coming into D-3 programs
2) Nobody can predict injuries to stud pitchers/hitters
3) No one seems to do a rigorous review of top Seniors graduating.

One thing you can pretty much count on is that the top teams, (historically), always seem to reload and put a team on the field that will be ranked in the final polls
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: BigPoppa on January 29, 2010, 02:47:51 pm
Chapman is a fantastic academic school with a great film school (what can you say... it IS Los Angeles). They also happen to be centrally located to 8-9 powerhouse junior college programs within 15-20 miles of the campus. A great place to recruit.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: ECSUalum on January 29, 2010, 03:12:05 pm
Below find the statistics for the teams in the Collegiate Baseball Preseason Polls, (2005-2009), and where they ended up in the final poll for that year. ( ie first number- preseason, Second number final).

Comments:
1) Number of teams picked in preseason polls making final poll is generally 50% or less!
    2005 13 of 30
    2006 16 of 30
    2007 14 of 30
    2008 14 of 30
    2009 15 of 30

2) in 2007 and 2009 the preseason poll #1 pick never made the final poll and over the 5 yrs was never really close except for 2005

3) Historically strong teams, (past 10-15 yrs) in preseason poll picks generally end up in final poll, historically unknown teams which are picked in the pre poll generally do not make the final polls

2005                                        2006

Rowan 1-6                               Wootr  1-12
StTom  3-24                              CortSt  2-9
Chapm 4-4                               Chapm 4-3
ECtSU  6-29                             Rowan 5-21                    
Linfld    8-22                             WStPt   6-5
                                               Mrtta    8-1
Aurora 10-26                            TxLut    11-5
WWhit 11-1                              Otter    15-11
GFoxU  15-30                            KeanU  20t-20
Manch  16-23                            Ithaca  20t-17
Ithaca  17-19                            Whton  24t-2
LaVern 19-17                            Manch   24t-27
CortSt  24-2                              ECtSU   25-6
MWash 25-21                           GFoxU    26-23
                                               Aurora  30t-10
                                               Salbry   30t-18


2007                                        2008                                          2009

Chapm 2-5                            Wootr  1-20                                  Chapm  2-4
WSPt   4-3                             CortSt  2-5                                   Adrian   3-25
ECtSU  6-8                             KeanU 3-8                                    KeanU  4-5
Mrtta   7-7                             Chapm 4-4                                    USoM   5-13
Whton 9-11                           ECtSU  6-27                                  TrinCt   6-7
CortSt 11-4                           Carth   8-23                                  Woost   8-2
Wootr 13-10                         JHopk   10-2                                  WWhtr  9-15
StTom 14-17                         WOshk 11-25                                ECtSU   10-8    
KeanU 15-1                           TxTyl    18-15                                Salbry   11-11
Milsp   16-30t                         USoM  19-11                                Heidrgh 12-14
TxLut  18-15                          TrinCt  21-1                                  TxTy       13-23
Carth  19-6                            Ithaca 23-26                                Renslr    22-17
Ithaca 20-21                         Salbry  26-9                                  StTom     25-1
Salbry 21-25                          KnStC  30-24                                Ithaca    29-28
                                                                                               NewJer   30-24


Sorry Marietta fans, I overlooked you in 2006, preseason 8, final NUMERO UNO!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: utilitycat17 on January 29, 2010, 03:54:22 pm
Chapman is a fantastic academic school with a great film school (what can you say... it IS Los Angeles). They also happen to be centrally located to 8-9 powerhouse junior college programs within 15-20 miles of the campus. A great place to recruit.

Chapman doesn't really take as much advantage of their local junior college programs like they used to.  And, BigPoppa, I know you know, but it is not Los Angeles.  But I understand what you're getting at.  There is, however, a team just down the road that apparently plays in LA.

This will be an interesting year for them though.  They have 14 freshmen on their current roster and 7 sophomores.  There are only 6 seniors.  Should be some new faces out there this year.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: BigPoppa on January 29, 2010, 04:06:13 pm
Chapman's run in the West could easily end this year. They have had a huge turnover in players... agreed. Chapman is not really in LA, but Orange County, yet the LA culture is very strong there.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: CrashDavisD3 on January 29, 2010, 04:29:43 pm
Wow..Great research...

Did you notice that the final #1 since 2005 was in the preseason top 10 once ?

2005 11 to 1
2006  8  to 1
2007 15 to 1
2008 21 to 1
2009 25 to 1

2010 ??
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: ECSUalum on January 29, 2010, 05:24:32 pm
Crash,

Great pick up on these stats.  Additionally, someone could look at the deltas (pre/final) for all preseason poll teams to get gauge on accuracy of preseason poll.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: Jim Dixon on January 31, 2010, 01:31:39 am
Crash,

Great pick up on these stats.  Additionally, someone could look at the deltas (pre/final) for all preseason poll teams to get gauge on accuracy of preseason poll.

I will have a blog sometime soon about polls. 

The best guess for the weather tomorrow is what it was today.   If your a good program this year, chances are that you will be a good program this year.  The CB preseason poll operates on that theory.

I need to look at the teams in just one of each the preseason polls to see how they fared.

Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: ECSUalum on January 31, 2010, 04:27:43 pm
I wonder how the D3 Baseball.com top 25 preseason vs postseason poll stats compare va above CB for accuracy?

Maybe I will do these next ;)
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: BigPoppa on January 31, 2010, 05:43:07 pm
I wonder how the D3 Baseball.com top 25 preseason vs postseason poll stats compare va above CB for accuracy?

Maybe I will do these next ;)

I was thinking the same thing, but I am way too lazy to do that research. I'd love to see what you produce.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: ECSUalum on February 01, 2010, 07:56:32 pm
Here are D3Baseball.com Top 25 stats comparing preseason vs postseason for 2008 and 2009 which are archived on this site:  Note I actually compared the top 30, the last five coming from top 5 teams receiving votes at bottom of list.

Both years 15 out of 30 in pre ended up on post, about the same as Collegiate Baseball, (top 30), polls

2008                           2009

Cort   1-6                   Chap 2-4
Chap  2-4                  TrinCt 3-6
Kean  3-9                   UWW 4-20
Wstr  4-20                 JHopk  5-27
JHop  8-2                   Adrian 6-24
Carth 9-17                 Kean   7-5
UWOk 11-27              Heidl  8-14
StTom 13-11              Salis   9-10
NJersy 14-29             Wstr   11-2
Weatn 15-12             TxTyl  12-17
TexTy  16-23              ECSU 13-8
Augus  18-24             St Schl 15-22
Ill Wes 19-15             Etta    17-19
TrinCt   23-1              StTom 18-1
KneSt 25-16              Carth   24-3








 







Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: BigPoppa on February 01, 2010, 09:16:36 pm
Just goes to show that teams in the top 25 are usually there for a good reason. Finishing in  the top 25 in a season is a solid finish, regardless of your expectations.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: BigPoppa on May 24, 2010, 11:23:23 am
I was reviewing my pre-season Top 25 and hit on five of the eight regional representatives in the top 25 and had 20 of the 25 in the post-season. I missed on Linfield, UMASS-Boston and Johns Hopkins. (Next year, I hope to get all eight in the Top 25).

Preseason Top 25
1 Wooster- Lost in regional
2 St. Thomas- Lost in regional
3 Salisbury- lost in regional
4 UW-Stevens Point- Won Midwest regional
5 Eastern Connecticut- Lost in regional
6 Heidelberg- won Mid-East regional (corrected... thanks, Gramps!)
7 Pomona-Pitzer- Lost in regional
8 Chapman- Lost in regional
9 Kean- lost in regional
10 Trinity (Conn.)- Lost in regional
11 Adrian- Lost in regional
12 Texas-Tyler- Lost in regional
13 Southern Maine- missed NCAA post-season
14 Carthage- Lost in regional
15 Wheaton (Mass.)- Lost in regional
16 Millsaps- missed NCAA post-season
17 Keystone- Lost in regional
18 Shenandoah- Won South regional
19 Cortland State- Won New York regional
20 Marietta- lost in regional
21 Illinois Wesleyan- Won Central regional
22 St. Olaf- missed NCAA post-season
23 Cal Lutheran- missed NCAA post-season
24 St. Scholastica- Lost in regional
25 Beloit- missed NCAA post-season
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: ECSUalum on May 24, 2010, 01:12:02 pm
BP,

Nice follow-up on you pre season predictions!!
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: OshDude on May 24, 2010, 03:12:23 pm
Trinity didn't make regionals. Neither of us had the steamroller, JHU? Interesting.
Dusted off mine as well. Big airballs on RPI, Trinity and St. Olaf, and a brick on Southern Maine. Hindsight being what it is, combined with my respect for the program, it's hard to believe I didn't have Linfield on there.

1. St. Thomas
2. Wooster
3. Salisbury
4. Eastern Connecticut
5. UW-Stevens Point
6. Kean
7. Shenandoah
8. Heidelberg
9. Trinity (Conn.)
10. Rose-Hulman
11. RPI
12. Adrian
13. Cortland
14. Chapman
15. St. Scholastica
16. Wheaton (Mass.)
17. Carthage
18. Marietta
19. Southern Maine
20. Pomona-Pitzer
21. Illinois Wesleyan
22. St. Joseph’s (Maine)
23. UW-Whitewater
24. Washington & Jefferson
25. St. Olaf

D3baseball.com preseason Top 25 (http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2010/week-0)
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: BigPoppa on May 24, 2010, 03:18:15 pm
I still have no idea how I overlooked JHU and Linfield either... oh, well. I can learn from it and be better next year.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 24, 2010, 07:56:35 pm
Here is my first try at a Top 25.  I have stricken those teams that did not make the playoffs.

1    St. Thomas
2    Chapman
3    Wooster
4    Kean
5    Eastern Connecticut
6   Trinity (Conn.) Not only didn't win the NESCAC, but failed to earn a bid.
7      Carthage
8      Heidelberg
9      Keystone
10      Pomona-Pitzer
11      RPI  Lost to Skidmore
12      Marietta
13      Adrian
14      Salisbury
15      Southern Maine  Failed to earn a Pool C bid
16      UW-Stevens Point
17      Mississippi College
18      Rose-Hulman
19      St. Scholastica
20      Shenandoah
21      Linfield
22      St. Olaf  Failed to earn a Pool C bid
23      Texas Lutheran  Won the ASC-West
24      Wheaton (Mass.)
25      UW-Whitewater

No JHU, UMB, IWU,

I got 5 of the 8 Regional winners and only missed 4 playoff teams.
Title: Re: Who should be #1?
Post by: Jim Dixon on May 24, 2010, 08:24:19 pm
My preseason list:

I have 5 Championship teams in my top 25 (Cortland, Heidelberg, Linfield, UW-Stevens Point, and Shenandoah).  I also have three runners up.

I also have 7 teams that did not make the playoffs.

Wooster - lost in regional
Salisbury - lost in regional final
Kean - lost in regional final
Trinity (Conn.) - no playoffs
St. Thomas - lost in regional
RPI - no playoffs
Eastern Conn. -  lost in regional   
Linfield - Won West
Adrian - lost in regional
Cortlan - Won New York
Keystone - lost in regional
UWSP - Win Midwest
PS Behrend   - lost in regional
Heidelberg - Won Mideast
Marietta - lost in regional final
Otterbein - no playoffs
Rose-Hulman - lost in regional   
Beloit - no playoffs
Wheaton (Mass.) - lost in regional   
Carthage - lost in regional
Shenadoah - Won South
Wheaton (Ill.) - no playoffs   
Bethel - no playoffs
St. Joe (Maine)    - lost in regional
BSC - no playoffs