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Title: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: Gramps on February 09, 2011, 06:44:14 pm
D3 Baseball just published their assessment of the Mid-East Region Teams. Agree or Disagree?? Any comments??
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: DelawareCityMan on February 10, 2011, 09:08:51 am
Personally I believe that there will be more teams in the mix for league championships, so who ends up going to Marietta for the Regional may not even be showing on the Poll List they have out.  The "berg" and "etta" are probably the two it will come down to for the Region as Wooster may have a lot of rebuilding to do with so few position players coming back.  Someone is pumping sunshine up OWU's skirt too as their season could be done after their southern spring trip, playing the "berg" once and "etta" twice....But they do host COW the first weekend of NCAC play, and that's after COW plays at Wabash the day before....League Championships are WIDE OPEN this season....
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: macdade77 on February 10, 2011, 03:05:12 pm
DC Man,
I posted previously that Woo winning the NCAC is not a foregone conclusion in 2011. They return 3 quality starters and a couple of good relievers. The Scots should do fairly well on their Spring trip but might end up dropping a few more than usual because of the league scheduling you alluded to. They'll have to save starters for the 4 league games to be played on their way home from Florida. The change to the dead bats certainly won't hurt Woo as they were going to have to play more small ball anyway given their graduation losses. OWU might return as good a nucleus in the filed and on the dish as any team in the conference your attempts to sandbag notwithstanding. My son played with several OWU players this summer. Did your son play on that team as well???
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: DelawareCityMan on February 11, 2011, 09:46:15 am
Macdade, my son graduated a long time ago and not from Ohio Wesleyan.  OWU is just the local university I follow and baseball is a sport I love watching, reading about, and talking about.  I agree with you about the NCAC schedule format for this season and I've not seen the new bats in action that you referred to, so I can't say that they will make any difference.  I do find that it is interesting that COW is able to play a meaningful NCAC DH in Florida, while everyone else in the league, with the exception of their opponent Alleghaney, has to play all their league contests in the great weather of the mid-West....  Somehow that just doesn't seem right....your thoughts?
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: macdade77 on February 11, 2011, 11:26:50 pm
DC Man,
I'm not sure whether it's right or nor but Woo has been playing a NCAC doubleheader on their Spring trip for the last several years. We used to play Allegheny in FLA  but for the past two years Kenyon has been our opponent. This means we don't have to squeeze as many games in when we come home. Also, for whatever reason, we seem to be ahead of these other teams early on in the season.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: Gramps on February 16, 2011, 08:42:11 am
Congrats to THE BERG's Gar Keen on being selected #8 in the Preseason selection of the top 25 Players in D3 Ohio schools.

http://buckeyestatebaseball.com/2011/02/....een-heidelberg/



GO BERG!!!!
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: mideastfan2 on March 07, 2011, 08:06:43 am
Some big in-region games coming up for the Mideast, as many of the top teams are down in FL for their spring trips.  Marietta & Adrian already split a doubleheader.

Marietta vs Ohio Wesleyan today.

Heidelberg, OWU, and others will also be pairing up to get some big games in before heading back to the cold weather  :)

Wooster doesn't get down to FL in time to get a piece of the top Mideast teams, but Petorini does a great job of taking care of that in his scheduling once the Scots are back in Ohio.

Should be a great season for in-region matchups between the top teams....could make for some great coaching when the Regionals come around (as teams will know quite a bit about each other already)!!
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: countyroad on March 07, 2011, 09:38:42 am
How has the new bat rules impacted the games so far?  I have not looked at any box scores as I follow Wooster and they've yet to play, as you mentioned. 
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: HOF on March 07, 2011, 05:55:07 pm
Looks like the MidEast Region will be tough again.  Being an MIAA fan, I was very surprised to see Adrian split with Marietta.  Does D3Baseball.com really think Adrian's off to a disappointing start?  Looks to me they had a good spring trip against some quality teams.  Also see Marietta's staff looks tough, Heidelberg is pounding the ball.  Can't wait til the season gets in full swing!
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: Gramps on March 08, 2011, 07:38:54 am
THE BERG offense exploded again Mon. at Terry Park in Ft. Myers, FL with a 16 run, 13 hit win over Olivet (1 Run - 6 Hits)
Highlights: Gar Keen - 3 for 3, 5 RBIs, 3 Runs scored.
* Don't tell Willie B-recun that the new bats will curtail the long ball. He had his 2nd HR in 2 days. (2-5, 4 RBIs, 1 run)
* Elvin Williams showed his versatility with a 3-4, 1 RBI, 3 runs scored at the plate and than switched to the arm on the mound in the 8th with a no hit, no run, 2 SO effort.
* Rick Lizcano 2-3, 2 RBI, 4 runs scored

GO BERG!!!
Title: Does Case have a legitimate shot to make the regional as a Pool B team this year
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 25, 2011, 09:09:10 am
They have 30 wins, a regional winning percentage of .700, and a SOS ranking of 76 (which is 3rd most difficult in the region to Marietta and Heidelberg). 

Have they done enough?
Title: Re: Does Case have a legitimate shot to make the regional as a Pool B team this year
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 25, 2011, 09:32:18 am
They have 30 wins, a regional winning percentage of .700, and a SOS ranking of 76 (which is 3rd most difficult in the region to Marietta and Heidelberg). 

Have they done enough?

Maybe? Probably depends on what Chapman does in its last two weekend series.
Title: Re: Does Case have a legitimate shot to make the regional as a Pool B team this year
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 26, 2011, 04:05:58 pm
They are not in the top 25 but they received some votes.
http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2011/week9
Title: Re: Does Case have a legitimate shot to make the regional as a Pool B team this year
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 28, 2011, 01:12:34 pm
Of course losing to John Carrol yesterday didn't help their cause one bit.  I may be a stretch to see them in the tournament.
Title: Re: Does Case have a legitimate shot to make the regional as a Pool B team this year
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 29, 2011, 02:26:03 am
#3 in the regional rankings. Seems like they may have a good chance.

I think in end Adrian will be above them though. Maybe Transy or Manchester as well.

The whole regional ranking sheet looks like a rough draft.
Title: Re: Does Case have a legitimate shot to make the regional as a Pool B team this year
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 29, 2011, 08:17:00 am
I agree about the rough draft part.  I think Adrian will end up as either the two or the three.  Heidelberg/Marietta are near locks for the regional tournament, You have the Presidents conf,  Heartlan Conf, and North Coast Tournament winners to deal with and the regional starts filling up quickly.

1. OAC champ (berg or MC)
2. Adrian (MIAA champ)
3. Loser of Berg/MC
4.  NCAC champ
5.  HCAC Champ
6.  PAC Champ
7.  Case (?)
8.  ??? (if it is a seven or eight team tourney)

It will be interesting to see how this develops over the next two weeks.  Big weekend this weekend plus the conference tournaments.   Other than the OAC, I would be suprised to see any of the others get two teams in.  THe heartland conference maybe.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 06, 2012, 01:22:25 pm
We have a good discussion on the West Region board about kids who turn down a partial baseball scholarship down south to stay at home and play in the D-III leagues, up north, in states like Ohio, NJ, Minnesota, NJ, etc.

What are the impressions of the fans in this region about the players who have stayed home to play D-III rather than pay out-of-state tuition and go with a partial scholarship in D-II and D-1?


The posts begin about #211.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7677.211

Please comment on this thread or the West Region thread. Thanks.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: motorman on April 07, 2012, 11:13:32 am
We have a good discussion on the West Region board about kids who turn down a partial baseball scholarship down south to stay at home and play in the D-III leagues, up north, in states like Ohio, NJ, Minnesota, NJ, etc.

What are the impressions of the fans in this region about the players who have stayed home to play D-III rather than pay out-of-state tuition and go with a partial scholarship in D-II and D-1?


The posts begin about #211.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7677.211

Please comment on this thread or the West Region thread. Thanks.

I will have to check out the thread Ralph, but I am not aware of that happening around here. As for my son the choice was between walking on at Mid American Conference schools with no scholarship money or being wanted at a D-3 school. He ended up getting hurt in December just before practice started his freshman year so any D-1 school would have probably just written him off. Therefore I am pleased with how things turned out. He is in the starting rotation as a sophomore of a very good D-3 program so if he does the job he has a chance of getting noticed. I was rather surprised he got no contact from D-1 schools considering he was All State his senior year, but given his personality, I think everything worked out for the best.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 12, 2012, 08:34:27 am
Recet RPI rankings of the top 11 Mid east region teams....

Top 11 RPI of the Mideast region teams: 

Win%   OWP   OOWP   SOS   RPI   Rank   School   Reg   W   L  Conf.
0.824   0.551   0.539   0.547   0.616   1   Marietta   ME   14   3  OAC
0.750   0.581   0.467   0.543   0.595   2   Anderson   ME   12   4  HCAC
0.815   0.505   0.528   0.513   0.588   3   DePauw   ME   22   5  NCAC
0.737   0.501   0.547   0.517   0.572   4   Adrian   ME   14   5 MIAA
0.682   0.545   0.485   0.525   0.564   5   Mount Union   ME   15   7  OAC
0.800   0.459   0.525   0.481   0.560   6   Washington and Jefferson   ME   12   3 PrAC
0.727   0.491   0.510   0.497   0.555   7   Kenyon   ME   8   3 NCAC
0.615   0.542   0.506   0.530   0.551   8   Baldwin-Wallace   ME   8   5  OAC
0.714   0.472   0.529   0.491   0.547   9   Rose-Hulman   ME   10   4 HCAC
0.652   0.503   0.517   0.508   0.544   10   Westminster (Pa.)   ME   15   8 PrAC
0.650   0.502   0.507   0.504   0.540   11   Case Western Reserve   ME   19   10 (Indepenendent, Pool B Eligible)


Without accounting for teams being shipped into or out of the Mideast regional....

Pool A (Automatic Qualifiers - my prediction fo conference champions in parentheses)
OAC (Marietta)
NCAC (DePauw)
PrAC (Washington and Jefferson)
MIAA (Adiran)
HCAC (Anderson)

Pool C (at Large) Candidates (based on the RPI info above)
OAC - Mount Union, Baldwin Wallace (never count out Heidelberg!)
NCAC - Kenyon
PrAC - Westmintser
HCAC - Rose Hulman
Independent - Case Western Reserve

Pool B- (Independent Teams 3 total nationwide---I think)
Case Western Reserve.

The last two years, this regional has been 7 teams.  It coule be 6 or 8 this year.   

Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: forheavendial4999 on April 13, 2012, 11:15:20 am
I would expect 8. 

I think on another thread it says there are only two Pool Bs. Right now they look likely to be Washington STL and Ithaca.

I would add Franklin is a Pool C possibility. Beat RHIT away, play them again at home soon, then a lot of chances for wins before closing with home games vs. Spalding and Anderson 3x. Certainly an opportunity for them remains.

For comparison's sake here are the top teams in ISR.

1. Marietta
2. DePauw
3. W&J
4. Anderson
5. Franklin
6. Adrian
7. Baldwin-Wallace
These are in the top 60 nationally in ISR. 4-7 are all between 51-57.

8. Ohio Wesleyan
9. Mount Union
10. Case Western Reserve
11. Kenyon
12. Rose-Hulman
Those are 70-80 nationally in the ISRs.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 13, 2012, 01:48:47 pm
Factor in teams which could get "shipped out" or others which could be "shipped in"

Any team in Indiana would be a candidate to go to Memphis for a regional.  W&J could go to New Jersey.  BW could end up in NY.

8 would make for a great week (and mini-vacation for me).  6 would be an easier path to Appleton.  I'm good either way :)
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: mideastfan2 on April 13, 2012, 02:12:41 pm
the way the 8 team tournament is drawn up in the handbook, it would be much easier for the #1 seed to advance to appleton, than going trough a 6 team bracket....as long as they stay undefeated. the 3-0 team has a huge advantage.

a 6 team tournament brings the chance of playing a tougher team earlier in the bracket (when they still have pitching left).
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 16, 2012, 11:46:18 am
Quick Rundown of the Conferences in the Mideast Region....

OAC:
1.  Marietta
2T.  Baldwin Wallace, Mount Union, Muskingum, 2 games back.

HCAC.
1.  Anderson
2.  Rose Hulman (1 game back)
3T.  Franklin and Manchester (3 games back)

PrAC.
1T.  W&J, Westminster
3T.  St. Vincent & Thomas More (5 games back)

NCAC: 
East
1. Allegheny
2.  Kenyon
West.
1.  DePauw
2.  OWU, Wabash, Dennison. 

MIAA 
1.  Adrian
2.  Albion (5 games back)
3T.  Hope, Olivet, Trine (6 games back)
Reading on the MIAA website, this year's NCAA Pool A team is the touney champ.  In prior years it has been the regular season champ. 

There is a good race in the President's conference and the Heartland Conference.  The OAC is much improved this year than it was a year ago.  Adrian sill dominates the MIAA.  DePauw is making waves in the North Coast Conference this year.  This is when it gets interesting!
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 16, 2012, 12:38:15 pm
Yes it is interesting. I believe DePauw will get the NCAC pool A bid, If they slip in the tourney they should still have a good shot at Pool c. Wooster still has a chance but not much of one, it will be strange not to see them in the NCAC tourney. The second place out of the NCAC west is interesting could be any of 3 teams.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 16, 2012, 01:04:25 pm
With OWU currently tied, where do they stand in the "tie beaker" scenarios with Wabash and Dennison?
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 16, 2012, 01:22:00 pm
Head to head is the first tie breaker, I do not know what the second is. Right now Wabash holds the tiebreaker since they swept OWU earlier in the season. Not sure with Denison because currently they have split 1-1. They play a double header tonight so after that is over we will know more. A lot is riding on tonight's games. Denison still has to play Wabash, who is tough, and OWU plays Witt, who has struggled at times in the NCAC.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: OC_SID on April 16, 2012, 09:19:10 pm
Quick Rundown of the Conferences in the Mideast Region....

MIAA 
1.  Adrian
2.  Albion (5 games back)
3T.  Hope, Olivet, Trine (6 games back)
Reading on the MIAA website, this year's NCAA Pool A team is the touney champ.  In prior years it has been the regular season champ. 


Yes, the MIAA is having a four-team tournament for the first time this spring. The schedule for the tournament is #1 seed hosting #4 seed and #2 seed hosting #3 seed on the first day of the tournament. Second day of the tournament will have the #1 host, with the winners from previous day playing each other, followed by losers from previous day playing each other and the day ends with the one-loss losers playing each other. The third day is the championship and the "if" game. Manual says the tournament is Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 18, 2012, 09:22:16 am
Updated Boyd's ISR.  Updated Tues 4/17

   ISR Rank   Rating   D3 W   D3 L   W   L   SoS   Team   Conference   Pool
1   1   131.3   22   4   22   4   7   Marietta   OAC   A
2   2   127.3   27   5   27   5   49   DePauw   NCAC   A
3   21   119.6   19   4   19   4   178   Washington and Jefferson   PrAC   A
4   38   117.4   19   7   20   9   99   Anderson   HCAC   A
5   40   117.1   20   5   23   6   202   Baldwin Wallace   OAC   C
6   48   115.2   21   5   21   6   247   Adrian   MIAA   A
7   56   114.1   20   8   20   8   156   Mount Union   OAC   C
8   58   113.9   21   7   21   7   205   Franklin   HCAC   C
9   70   111.6   21   5   21   8   295   Kenyon   NCAC   C
10   72   111.4   19   8   19   8   189   Rose-Hulman   HCAC   C
11   76   110.9   16   12   17   12   80   Manchester   HCAC   C
12   77   110.8   16   13   16   13   33   Ohio Wesleyan   NCAC   C
13   79   110.7   21   12   21   12   133   Case Western Reserve   UAA   C
14   85   110.3   14   10   14   10   96   Wooster   NCAC   C
15   87   109.7   19   8   19   8   229   Westminster   PrAC   C

Also, RPI (Courtesy of Johnny U) for some of the mideast teams....

   Win Pct   SOS   RPI   Team   Conference   Pool
1   0.875   0.544   0.62675   Marietta   OAC   A
2   0.762   0.54   0.5955   Anderson   HCAC   A
3   0.8   0.511   0.58325   Washington and Jefferson   PrAc   A
4   0.828   0.496   0.579   DePauw   NCAC   A
5   0.75   0.51   0.57   Mount Union   OAC   C
6   0.783   0.49   0.56325   Adrian   MIAA   A
7   0.7   0.505   0.55375   Baldwin Wallace   OAC   C
8   0.706   0.494   0.547   Rose Hulman   HCAC   C
9   0.524   0.533   0.53075   Muskingum   OAC   C
10   0.583   0.513   0.5305   Thomas More   PrAC   C


For the sake of discussion, the highest ranked team was awarded the Pool A bid, the others pool C.  Case is probalby not going to get a Pool B bid, and thus were assigned Pool C. 

Based on these numbers:

OAC - 2 bids (Marieta + Either Mount Union or BW)
NCAC - 1 Bid (DePauw)
HCAC - 2 Bids (Anderson + Either RHIT or Franklin)
PrAC - 1 Bid (W&J)
MIAA - 1 Bid (Adrian)

And we see one team "shipped in" from the Mid Atlantic or South.  It is also possible that one mid east team is shipped out to another region (W&J to Mid Atlantic, BW to New York, or an HCAC team to the Central as an example)
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 18, 2012, 11:13:26 am
Updated Boyd's ISR.  Updated Tues 4/17

   ISR Rank   Rating   D3 W   D3 L   W   L   SoS   Team   Conference   Pool
1   1   131.3   22   4   22   4   7   Marietta   OAC   A
2   2   127.3   27   5   27   5   49   DePauw   NCAC   A
3   21   119.6   19   4   19   4   178   Washington and Jefferson   PrAC   A
4   38   117.4   19   7   20   9   99   Anderson   HCAC   A
5   40   117.1   20   5   23   6   202   Baldwin Wallace   OAC   C
6   48   115.2   21   5   21   6   247   Adrian   MIAA   A
7   56   114.1   20   8   20   8   156   Mount Union   OAC   C
8   58   113.9   21   7   21   7   205   Franklin   HCAC   C
9   70   111.6   21   5   21   8   295   Kenyon   NCAC   C
10   72   111.4   19   8   19   8   189   Rose-Hulman   HCAC   C
11   76   110.9   16   12   17   12   80   Manchester   HCAC   C
12   77   110.8   16   13   16   13   33   Ohio Wesleyan   NCAC   C
13   79   110.7   21   12   21   12   133   Case Western Reserve   UAA   C
14   85   110.3   14   10   14   10   96   Wooster   NCAC   C
15   87   109.7   19   8   19   8   229   Westminster   PrAC   C

Also, RPI (Courtesy of Johnny U) for some of the mideast teams....

   Win Pct   SOS   RPI   Team   Conference   Pool
1   0.875   0.544   0.62675   Marietta   OAC   A
2   0.762   0.54   0.5955   Anderson   HCAC   A
3   0.8   0.511   0.58325   Washington and Jefferson   PrAc   A
4   0.828   0.496   0.579   DePauw   NCAC   A
5   0.75   0.51   0.57   Mount Union   OAC   C
6   0.783   0.49   0.56325   Adrian   MIAA   A
7   0.7   0.505   0.55375   Baldwin Wallace   OAC   C
8   0.706   0.494   0.547   Rose Hulman   HCAC   C
9   0.524   0.533   0.53075   Muskingum   OAC   C
10   0.583   0.513   0.5305   Thomas More   PrAC   C


For the sake of discussion, the highest ranked team was awarded the Pool A bid, the others pool C.  Case is probalby not going to get a Pool B bid, and thus were assigned Pool C. 

Based on these numbers:

OAC - 2 bids (Marieta + Either Mount Union or BW)
NCAC - 1 Bid (DePauw)
HCAC - 2 Bids (Anderson + Either RHIT or Franklin)
PrAC - 1 Bid (W&J)
MIAA - 1 Bid (Adrian)

And we see one team "shipped in" from the Mid Atlantic or South.  It is also possible that one mid east team is shipped out to another region (W&J to Mid Atlantic, BW to New York, or an HCAC team to the Central as an example)
With the central regional in Millington this year. I believe Depauw would be a candidate to be shipped out as well. They shipped Wabash to the South last year which was also in Millington.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: motorman on April 18, 2012, 11:41:37 am
If the OAC or HCAC get 2 teams into the regional it will be a crime if they get sent to different regionals when they did not do that with Marietta and Heidelberg or Christopher Newport and Shenandoah from the south last year. All 4 teams were in the top 10 yet got stuck in the same regionals. I don't think an unrated school should be rewarded with avoiding their conference winner.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 18, 2012, 12:27:09 pm
If the OAC or HCAC get 2 teams into the regional it will be a crime if they get sent to different regionals when they did not do that with Marietta and Heidelberg or Christopher Newport and Shenandoah from the south last year. All 4 teams were in the top 10 yet got stuck in the same regionals. I don't think an unrated school should be rewarded with avoiding their conference winner.

I agree but the NCAA doesn't always care about parity of the regions or fairness. They care about how much it costs and what they can do to avoid paying airfare. They were better about it last year, we will see if they revert to form.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 18, 2012, 01:44:13 pm
Strangely Last year...

Wabash and Wooster from the NCAC were sent to different regionals.  Wabash to Memphis and Wooster to Marietta.  Momentary episode of stupidity.
Salisbury and Frostburg State from the CAC were sent to different regionals (though they are BOTH technically in different regions - so it is probably not a great example).  Frostburg came to Marietta and Salisbury came from somewhere else (MC played them BOTH). 

I would like to see a situation where if two teams like Marietta and 'Berg were ranked as highly as they were a year ago go to two seperate regionals.  That's not going to be the case this year, as Mount Union and BW-while having good seasons to date-are not top ten teams.

However, I think it will boil down to how many teams are in the mideast regional (6 vs. 8) and how many teams do other close proximity regionals have?  Will the central be 6 teams?  The south is almost assuredly 6 (no lights at the host stadium).  New York and Mid Atlantic?

DePauw could get sent to Millington (433 Miles) or Whitewater, WI (280 miles)
Mount Union could get sent to Newport News, Farmingdale, NY or Lakewood NJ and be within the 500 mile limit.
Anderson or Franklin could go to either Millington or Whitewater.
BW could go to Whitewater, the others are on the outside edge of Too far
Adrian could go to White water as well.

Marietta won't get shipped out because they are the host school.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 18, 2012, 02:59:07 pm
Strangely Last year...

Wabash and Wooster from the NCAC were sent to different regionals.  Wabash to Memphis and Wooster to Marietta.
Salisbury and Frostburg State from the CAC were sent to different regionals (though they are BOTH technically in different regions - so it is probably not a great example).  Frostburg came to Marietta and Salisbury came from somewhere else (MC played them BOTH). 

I would like to see a situation where if two teams like Marietta and 'Berg were ranked as highly as they were a year ago go to two seperate regionals.  That's not going to be the case this year, as Mount Union and BW-while having good seasons to date-are not top ten teams.

However, I think it will boil down to how many teams are in the mideast regional (6 vs. 8) and how many teams do other close proximity regionals have?  Will the central be 6 teams?  The south is almost assuredly 6 (no lights at the host stadium).  New York and Mid Atlantic?

DePauw could get sent to Millington (433 Miles) or Whitewater, WI (280 miles)
Mount Union could get sent to Newport News, Farmingdale, NY or Lakewood NJ and be within the 500 mile limit.
Anderson or Franklin could go to either Millington or Whitewater.
BW could go to Whitewater, the others are on the outside edge of Too far
Adrian could go to White water as well.

Marietta won't get shipped out because they are the host school.
Wooster did not make the regionals last year. In the short time I have been following the NCAC and D3 baseball I cannot remember the NCAC getting a Pool C bid. Historically there are too many weak teams in the conference. Trading Earlham for DePauw should go a good way in changing that.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 18, 2012, 03:16:00 pm
Right.  2010 and 2011 ran together on me.  Remember Marietta and Wooster playing the first losers bracket game on Day two in 2010....A big suprise to all who were following the tournament. 

Last year was

Marietta
'Berg
Adrian
Franklin
Frostburg State
Altoona
Case Western Reserve.

Duh.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 18, 2012, 04:23:18 pm
Do any mideast or NCAC historians remember the last time the NCAC got a Pool C bid?
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 18, 2012, 06:57:19 pm
2007 owu and Wooster. Wooster was the pool c
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: OshDude on April 18, 2012, 07:34:58 pm
If the OAC or HCAC get 2 teams into the regional it will be a crime if they get sent to different regionals when they did not do that with Marietta and Heidelberg or Christopher Newport and Shenandoah from the south last year. All 4 teams were in the top 10 yet got stuck in the same regionals. I don't think an unrated school should be rewarded with avoiding their conference winner.

I agree but the NCAA doesn't always care about parity of the regions or fairness. They care about how much it costs and what they can do to avoid paying airfare. They were better about it last year, we will see if they revert to form.
I asked the national selection chair about that. His answer will run in Around the Nation next week.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 19, 2012, 09:23:22 am
If the OAC or HCAC get 2 teams into the regional it will be a crime if they get sent to different regionals when they did not do that with Marietta and Heidelberg or Christopher Newport and Shenandoah from the south last year. All 4 teams were in the top 10 yet got stuck in the same regionals. I don't think an unrated school should be rewarded with avoiding their conference winner.

I agree but the NCAA doesn't always care about parity of the regions or fairness. They care about how much it costs and what they can do to avoid paying airfare. They were better about it last year, we will see if they revert to form.
I asked the national selection chair about that. His answer will run in Around the Nation next week.
I am looking forward to that article. I always enjoy the Around the Nation articles.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: OshDude on April 19, 2012, 02:29:08 pm
If the OAC or HCAC get 2 teams into the regional it will be a crime if they get sent to different regionals when they did not do that with Marietta and Heidelberg or Christopher Newport and Shenandoah from the south last year. All 4 teams were in the top 10 yet got stuck in the same regionals. I don't think an unrated school should be rewarded with avoiding their conference winner.

I agree but the NCAA doesn't always care about parity of the regions or fairness. They care about how much it costs and what they can do to avoid paying airfare. They were better about it last year, we will see if they revert to form.
I asked the national selection chair about that. His answer will run in Around the Nation next week.
I am looking forward to that article. I always enjoy the Around the Nation articles.
Thank you. Now that I think of it, we actually talked about everything you mention. Based on your quoted views of the process (those views are seemingly frequent and widely held, by the way), his response to those complaints if not complaints, then at least presuppositions may surprise you.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 19, 2012, 02:57:22 pm
Great, I hope to be enlightened in a good way. My anticipation for this article just bumped up a few notches.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 20, 2012, 11:01:22 am
From the "Pool C" Prediction thread in National Topics, with TONS of credit to poster JohnnyU for providing the data and comments from others for corrections to the data.....

Assuming the Top rated RPI teams WIN the Pool A bid and the top two RPI's amongst pool B teams are the Pool B teams, here is a list of the top 25 remaining RPI's for the Pool C candidates;

   Team   Region   Conf   RPI
1   Trinity   NE   NESCAC   .620
2   Johns Hopkins   MA   CC   .619
3   Ramapo   MA   NJAC   .618
4   Bowdoin   NE   NESCAC   .615
5   E. Conn St.   NE   LEC   .610
6   Concordia (Ill)   MW   NATH   .605
7   UW- La Crosse   MW   WIAC   .595
8   Trinity (TX)   W   SCAC   .593
9   Kean   MA   NJAC   .592
10   Shenandoah   S   USAC   .588
11   Neuman   MA   CSAC   .587
12   Whitworth   W   NWC   .582
13   DeSales   MA   MACF   .578
14   St. John's   MW   MIAC   .575
15   UW- Whitewater   MW   WIAC   .574
16   Mount Union   ME   OAC   .570
17   Chicago   c   IND   .569
18   Pac Lutheran   W   NWC   .564
19   IWU   C   CCIW   .559
20   Catholic   S   Land   .559
21   Rowan   MA   NJAC   .557
22   St. John Fisher   NY   E8   .556
23   Coe   C   IIAC   .554
24   Baldwin Wallace   ME   OAC   .554
25   Mass-Boston   NE   LEC   .552
26   North Central (Ill)   C   CCIW   .552
27   Southern Maine   NE   LEC   .550
28   Rose Hulman   ME   HCAC   .547
29   Rhodes   S   SCAC   .547
30   Texas-Dallas   W   ASC   .546


Mount Union is squarely on the bubble right now.  BW and RHIT have some work to do to improve the resume.  None can afford another loss in the regular season without hurting their chances at an at large bid. 

I would guess a team or two from the Mid Atlantic region would be headed this direction, particularly if it is an 8 team tournament.  It would not be out of the question to see someone head in from the Central or Midwest if it is an 8 team tournament as well. 

Candidates to come in would be within 500 miles according to past practices and could include:  Shenendoah, Johns Hopkins, Nueman (PA), Rowan (499 miles), DeSales (PA), Concordia, ILL.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on April 26, 2012, 08:45:21 pm
 first regional rankings are out.
 http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d3/regional_

Mideast

Marietta (OAC)
Wash and Jeff (PAC)
Depauw (NCAC)
Adrian (MIAA)
Mount Union (PAC)
Anderson (HCAC)
Rose-Hulman (HCAC)


Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: EttaFan1 on April 26, 2012, 09:33:24 pm
That looks pretty good to me.

I would say that the four teams who are locks to make the regional are Marietta, DePauw, Adrian and w&j. They are probably the four who can blowing in the conference tournament and still get a bid.

Looking nationwide at those 16 pool c bids, Mount Union has a very good chance to make it in but they HAVE TO finish the regular season strongly and likely finish no worse than second in the oac tourney. They have to avoid bad losses against Wilmington and muskingum. A split with Washington and Jefferson would be very beneficial as well. From a pool c perspective that is almost as big as the two oac series.

The two two heartland teams are interesting. I Don't know if there is enough room for two hcac teams in the field.

Still look for this to be an 8 team field.  The winner of the amcc (Altoona, Berhend, etc.) will be shipped in. Perhaps a shenendoah or a frostburg state, Montclair state, Rowan or even piedmont.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 07, 2012, 09:36:58 am
Here are the top 25 Estimated Pool C candidates (for which there are 16 spots).  This assumes the top teams in the conference are the Pool A representatives.  The Pool B representatives are Ithaca and Washington U. 

Rank     Team    Region win%  SOS   RPI   Region   Conf   Pool
1   Montclair State   .808   .583   .639   MA   NJAC   C
2   Rowan   .697   .571   .603   MA   NJAC   C
3   Eastern Connecticut   .679   .575   .601   NE   LEC   C
4   St. John Fisher   .750   .545   .596   NY   E8   C
5   Ramapo   .692   .564   .596   MA   NJAC   C
6   Chicago   .633   .582   .595   C   UAA   C
7   Southern Maine   .618   .587   .595   NE   LEC   C
8   Alvernia   .731   .549   .595   MA   MACC   C
9   Amherst   .769   .536   .594   NE   NESCAC   C
10   Neumann   .667   .570   .594   MA   CSAC   C
11   Shenandoah   .743   .542   .592   S   USAC   C
12   Bowdoin   .600   .580   .585   NE   NESCAC   C
13   Concordia (Ill.)   .737   .531   .583   MW   NATHC   C
14   Emory   .703   .538   .579   S   UAA   C
15   UW-Whitewater   .629   .559   .577   MW   WIAC   C
16   William Paterson   .667   .546   .576   MA   NJAC   C
17   Johns Hopkins   .625   .557   .574   MA   CC   C
18   Huntingdon   .667   .542   .573   S   GSAC   C
19   Millsaps   .639   .550   .572   S   SCAC   C
20   Bates   .593   .565   .572   NE   NESCAC   C
21   St. John's   .742   .515   .572   MW   MIAC   C
22   Washington College   .684   .533   .571   MA   CC   C
23   Trinity (Texas)   .795   .496   .571   W   SCAC   C
24   North Park   .727   .518   .570   C   CCIW   C
25   DePauw   .732   .515   .569   ME   NCAC   C

If I had to guess, DePauw will not make it after losing to Wooster in the NCAC tourney.

Mount Union will not make it in without winning the OAC tournament.  They would be 28th on this list.

Case Western is #42 on this list....They are likley out.

Heidelberg is the next highest team from the region at #51, they will not make it in without winning the OAC tournament. 

In fact, If I had to guess, I would say the next regional rankings this Thursday will look like this:

1.  Marietta (OAC)
2.  W&J (PrAC
3.  Adrian (MIAA)
4.  Franklin/Rose Hulman (HCAC)
5.  Rose Hulman/Franklin (HCAC)
6.  DePauw (NCAC)
7.  Wooster (NCAC Champs, Pool A)

Mount Union will likely drop out having lost three of their last four games.

Marietta, W&J and Adrian are probably locks for the regional regardless of what happens in the conference tournaments.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: motorman on May 07, 2012, 10:37:25 am
EttaFan,

I have to disagree with you on the regional rankings. Wooster and Heidelberg have identical records with virtually identical SOS numbers, but the closest thing Wooster has to a quality non conference win was over a depleted Marietta team due to suspensions in Florida. When they played them up here, it was no contest. I don't think just winning the NCAC tournament should get them in the regional rankings. Heidelberg has victories over top 25 ranked Adrian and Montclair State in addition to handily beating Wooster head to head.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 07, 2012, 11:04:58 am
motorman, I know where you are coming from, and I'm likely wrong.  The only reason I see wooster in the rankings is because they have already qualified for the regional with their victory.  Their wins against DePauw and Marietta will help them.  Montclair State is out of region, and won't help either 'Berg or Marietta (who won three games of 4 from Montclair State).  The win over Adrian is a quality win for 'Berg.  Here are their resume's

Berg,
W-L: 25-15
Region Win %: .618
SOS:  .530
RPI:  .552
WIns vs. Ranked teams in Region:  2-3 (Wins: Mount Union, Adrian, Losses: Marietta-2, Mount Union)

Wooster:
W-L: 27-16
Region win Pct: .618
SOS: .531
RPI: .553
Wins vs. Ranked teams in Region:  3-2 (Wins: Marietta, DePauw-2, Losses: Marietta, DePauw)

RPI top to bottom for the Mideast Region.

Marietta   .861   .546   .625   ME   OAC   A
Washington and Jefferson   .829   .525   .601   ME   PRAC   A
Adrian   .806   .495   .573   ME   MIAA   A
DePauw   .732   .515   .569   ME   NCAC   C
Mount Union   .676   .530   .567   ME   OAC   C
Case Western Reserve   .625   .535   .558   ME   UAA   C
Franklin   .759   .488   .556   ME   HCAC   A
Rose-Hulman   .690   .508   .554   ME   HCAC   C
Wooster   .618   .531   .553   ME   NCAC   A
Heidelberg   .618   .530   .552   ME   OAC   C

The difference in RPI from CWRU (#6) to 'Berg is .006. 
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2012, 10:30:36 pm
From the "Pool C" Prediction thread in National Topics, with TONS of credit to poster JohnnyU for providing the data and comments from others for corrections to the data.....

Assuming the Top rated RPI teams WIN the Pool A bid and the top two RPI's amongst pool B teams are the Pool B teams, here is a list of the top 25 remaining RPI's for the Pool C candidates;

   Team   Region   Conf   RPI
1   Trinity   NE   NESCAC   .620
2   Johns Hopkins   MA   CC   .619
3   Ramapo   MA   NJAC   .618
4   Bowdoin   NE   NESCAC   .615
5   E. Conn St.   NE   LEC   .610
6   Concordia (Ill)   MW   NATH   .605
7   UW- La Crosse   MW   WIAC   .595
8   Trinity (TX)   W   SCAC   .593
9   Kean   MA   NJAC   .592
10   Shenandoah   S   USAC   .588
11   Neuman   MA   CSAC   .587
12   Whitworth   W   NWC   .582
13   DeSales   MA   MACF   .578
14   St. John's   MW   MIAC   .575
15   UW- Whitewater   MW   WIAC   .574
16   Mount Union   ME   OAC   .570
17   Chicago   c   IND   .569
18   Pac Lutheran   W   NWC   .564
19   IWU   C   CCIW   .559
20   Catholic   S   Land   .559
21   Rowan   MA   NJAC   .557
22   St. John Fisher   NY   E8   .556
23   Coe   C   IIAC   .554
24   Baldwin Wallace   ME   OAC   .554
25   Mass-Boston   NE   LEC   .552
26   North Central (Ill)   C   CCIW   .552
27   Southern Maine   NE   LEC   .550
28   Rose Hulman   ME   HCAC   .547
29   Rhodes   S   SCAC   .547
30   Texas-Dallas   W   ASC   .546


Mount Union is squarely on the bubble right now.  BW and RHIT have some work to do to improve the resume.  None can afford another loss in the regular season without hurting their chances at an at large bid. 

I would guess a team or two from the Mid Atlantic region would be headed this direction, particularly if it is an 8 team tournament.  It would not be out of the question to see someone head in from the Central or Midwest if it is an 8 team tournament as well. 

Candidates to come in would be within 500 miles according to past practices and could include:  Shenendoah, Johns Hopkins, Neumann (PA), Rowan (499 miles), DeSales (PA), Concordia, ILL.
I want to caution readers that the other primary criteria not seen in this table are wins against regionally ranked opponents, wins against common in-region opponents and head-to-head.  There is no priority given to any of the 6 primary criteria.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: motorman on May 09, 2012, 08:56:02 am
Thanks for the regional RPI data EttaFan. I was curious how the region stacked up. Berg also has won 2 of 3 from Case, although I know they aren't ranked. The case I was trying to make was how similar they were in most of the criteria, I thought it should come down to the head to head game to determine who is higher in the regional rankings.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 09, 2012, 09:18:18 am
To me, the bottom line for Wooster is they will be in the regional as a pool A (and likely by default ranked somewhere for seeding purposes) where everyone else is vying for a spot.  Had DePauw won the NCAC, Wooster wouldn't even be in the discussion as a Pool C bid would be next to impossible with their resume. 
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 11, 2012, 02:45:27 pm
Right now, Wooster (NCAC) and Adrian (MIAA) have qualifid for the NCAA tournament.

DePauw (NCAC) sits and waits to see what their fate will be with the Pool C selection process.

Marietta is "looking good" having advanced to the championship game in tomorrows OAC Touranment.

Mount Union (#5 in Region) was eliminated.

Manchester sits in the "cat bird's seat" having won the first two games of the HCAC.  They are the #4 seed in that conference. 

Both Rose Hulman (#6 in region) and Franklin (#7 in the region) were eliminated. Anderson, previously ranked in the region, must win two today.

Top Seed Washington and Jefferson (#2 in the region) was upset in the opening round of the PrAC tournament.  Second seed, Westminster, is in the championship game having won the winners bracket. W&J must win twice to secure the pool a bid.


Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on May 12, 2012, 04:10:12 pm
Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: BB: General Mid-East Region talk
Post by: EttaFan1 on May 12, 2012, 04:31:10 pm
All tournaments are in the books.

Ncac:  Wooster.  Pool c candidates: DePauw
Oac:  Marietta. Pool c candidates: Mount Union
PrAC:  Westminster. Pool C candidates:  Washington and Jefferson.
MIAA:  Adrian. Pool C candidates: none.
Heartland: Manchester  Pool c candidates:  Franklin and Rose Hulman are in the latest regional rankings.

Of these teams I think the only pool c bid will go to W&J,  I predict they will end up as the 3 seed in the region

Here is my prediction for the Marietta regional

1.  Marietta
2. Adrian W&J
3. W&J Adrian
4.  Alvernia (Mid-Atlanic)/Shenendoah (south) St. John Fisher (New York)
5.  Wooster Westminster
6.  Manchester Wooster
7.  La Roche Manchester
8.  Westminster La Roche

Game 1, 9:30 AM: St. John Fisher vs. Westminster.  Don't know much abut St. John Fisher aside from a quick glance at their website.  They have a strong pitching staff (3.36 ERA, .340 team batting average).  It looks like they have two good starters (D'Amato 10-0, 1.83 ERA; Johnson 5-2, 2.67 ERA) and plenty of guys who can swing it (26 Home Runs as a team).  Westminster is also a team who is not well known.  They have a team ERA of 3.04 and is hitting .307 as a team.  They are led on the hill by Prejsnar (7-1, 1.48 ERA) and Mulligan (6-2, 3.08 ERA).

Game 2, 1:00 PM:  Marietta vs. La Roche--Split the meeting a little over a week ago. Marietta won game one 1-0 in extra innings, and La Roche won game 2 7-3.

Game 3, 4:30 PM:  Adrian vs. Wooster — Wooster got a little hot down the stretch, starting with the win of a coin flip.  Then they went on to upset DePauw in the first game of the NCAC and made it count, winning the pool A bid.  However, Wooster hasn't played an actual game in a while.  Adrian stomped its way through the MIAA, plus they have one of the regions top pitching staffs.

Game 4, 8:30 PM: W&J vs. Manchester—In one of the big stunners over the weekend, W&J lost in their first game in the PrAC tourney and were unabe to battle through the losers bracket.  Machester on the other hand, got hot.  They entered the HCAC tournament as the #4 seed and won it.  Could be a dangerous game for the Presidents.