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Title: Lacrosse
Post by: drisclaw on July 03, 2011, 09:27:41 pm
Any chance of a lacrosse section being formed. The game is expanding like crazy in Div III and will likely be from coast to coast in a few years.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 03, 2011, 09:40:43 pm
We had lacrosse boards that didn't do very well, but I must admit I would consider doing it again if there were interest. What conference do you follow?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: drisclaw on July 04, 2011, 11:51:48 am
NESCAC because I played there in the old days.

Commonwealth Conference because I am friends with their head coach and his staff.

Little East conference because Salem State, like Endicott, is right next door. I also used to coach with their head coach on the high school level.

I have some former players at some of the schools in the Great Northeast Conference, so I follow them pretty closely.

I believe I could reach out to other coaches from conferences in the northeast to get some information as to what is going on in their conferences.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 06, 2011, 01:24:31 pm
Might get some MIAA followers too, as the league will begin varsity Lacrosse (Men and Women) for the 2012-2013 season (7 teams in each). 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: DIIIdad on September 06, 2011, 05:43:30 pm
CCIW schools Augustana and Elmhurst will join Carthage with lacrosse teams as well. 

Interesting with the MIAA forming their own conference, as three of those teams currently play in the Midwest Lacrosse Conference.  What would have been a 14 team conference next season (2012-2013), is already going to be down to 11 with the MIAA schools going out on their own.  This will probably be the norm as more and more schools add lacrosse to the list of varsity sports and the traditional conferences begin to sponsor it.  The Northern Athletic Conference will have four with Aurora, Benedictine, Concordia Wisconsin and MSOE. 

There are surely more to come in the next few years.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: d3hendrixpop50 on September 07, 2011, 11:23:29 pm
Lacrosse is becoming very popular even in Texas. Not just a Eastern thing anymore.....
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 24, 2011, 05:40:44 am
News on a Midwest area women's lacrosse-related development here:

http://cuwfalcons.com/article.asp?articleID=1661
Title: CSAC LACROSSE
Post by: Swisscheese on February 26, 2012, 08:39:34 am
Looks like the Cabrini Mens LX team starting out as advertised, congratulations on beating Haverford, seems like other schools in the conference are becoming stronger and GMC is on its way up. Looking forward to a more competitive conference. Tough to defeat those NY and Maryland schools on the road in the post season. 

Goaltending looked good as well for the Cavs.
 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 07, 2012, 03:26:27 pm
CCIW schools Augustana and Elmhurst will join Carthage with lacrosse teams as well. 

Interesting with the MIAA forming their own conference, as three of those teams currently play in the Midwest Lacrosse Conference.  What would have been a 14 team conference next season (2012-2013), is already going to be down to 11 with the MIAA schools going out on their own.  This will probably be the norm as more and more schools add lacrosse to the list of varsity sports and the traditional conferences begin to sponsor it.  The Northern Athletic Conference will have four with Aurora, Benedictine, Concordia Wisconsin and MSOE. 

There are surely more to come in the next few years.

With the game being played at  more high schools, I would think that there will be more in the near future.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: rob on March 08, 2012, 05:47:42 pm
Little East Conference
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 08, 2012, 07:05:35 pm
Little East Conference
men's and women's teams?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: rob on March 09, 2012, 02:16:13 pm
Little East Conference
men's and women's teams?
Whatever
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 09, 2012, 04:15:47 pm
what?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: rob on March 10, 2012, 01:01:15 am
what?
The question was what other sports to add boards for.  The answer was LaCrosse.  Yes why not Men's and Women's teams?  I'm not sure what you are asking. Whatever.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: rob on March 10, 2012, 01:02:49 am
Oh, and I follow the LEC Men's somewhat.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 10, 2012, 08:03:27 am
The thread about what new sports to add Boards for is locked. But I'd rather see a board flor wrestling than Lacrosse. Whatever
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 10, 2012, 08:06:38 am
In the midwesst, many schools that do have lacrosse have added it as a club team only.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 12, 2012, 09:07:47 am
IMHO, I think for men, the biggest obstacle to Lacrosse taking off is Title IX. A school that already offers wrestling, may not add lacrosse if it means they have to add another women's sport.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 15, 2012, 11:26:09 am
The North Central women take their 1-1 record out to California for Spring break. Good Luck girls!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 17, 2012, 09:30:22 am
The North Central women drop the first game on tgheir spring break trip 14-13 to  PP.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 18, 2012, 09:43:33 pm
North Central women dropped their 2nd straight spring break game, 12-14, to Whittier College.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 19, 2012, 08:03:35 am


North Central's next game is tomorrow when they play Occidental out in LA.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 21, 2012, 07:56:29 am
North Central women lost  to Occidental today by a score of 12-14.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 21, 2012, 02:08:47 pm
Correction on the score. The team lost 12-20 to end their spring break tour. The next game for the Cardinals will be at home against Oberlin. Game time is 5.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 21, 2012, 09:27:10 pm
Leading the Cardinals in points (24), goals (24) and assists (24) is Sr., Amy Frazzini.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 24, 2012, 03:21:49 pm
Men's Midwest Lacrosse Conference Final:

ARV Adrian 12, Wittenberg 11  2 OT's  (winning goal came with some 44 seconds left to play)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 24, 2012, 08:13:55 pm
Men's Midwest Lacrosse Conference Final:

ARV Adrian 12, Wittenberg 11  2 OT's  (winning goal came with some 44 seconds left to play)
  Sounds like an exciting game!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 30, 2012, 08:28:52 am
The North Central women dropped a 10-11 decision to Oberlin College yesterday. The team record now stands a 1-5.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 02, 2012, 08:05:52 am
The North Central women beat the University of Puget Sound last night in Naperville 18-1 for their second victory of the season.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 02, 2012, 08:06:34 am
The Cardinals were paced by Danielle Fialla's five goals.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 02, 2012, 08:07:28 am
Next up for the Cardinals is an April 3rd game in Wisconsin vs. Concordia.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 03, 2012, 11:30:30 am
Congrats to North Central's Shannon Prince, who was named MWLC defensive player of the week.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 04, 2012, 08:10:41 am
The North Central women defeated Concordia 13-6 to open MWLC play yesterday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 04, 2012, 08:11:17 am
The Cardinals improved their record to 3-5, 1-0 in conference play.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 07, 2012, 09:12:06 pm
North Central dropped a 13-9 decision to Pacific on Thursday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 07, 2012, 09:14:56 pm
The team retuns to action on 4/11.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: rob on April 09, 2012, 01:09:50 am
In Men's LaCrosse:
Eastern Ct with a BIG win against Keen State on Saturday.
Go Eastern!!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 11, 2012, 10:18:41 pm
The North Central women dropped their first conference game today, 7-14, to  Carthage.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 11, 2012, 10:20:55 pm
The North Central women dropped their first conference game today, 7-14, to  Carthage.
The loss dropped the Cards to 3-7, 1-1 in MWLC action.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 11, 2012, 10:23:23 pm
 North Central hosts Trine on Saturday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 14, 2012, 10:38:56 pm
The North Central women beat Trine today 14-7.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 14, 2012, 10:40:50 pm
 The Cards were paced by Danielle Fiala's 4 goals.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 14, 2012, 10:43:27 pm
Next up for North Central is College of Mt. St. Joseph tomorrow in Naperville.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 15, 2012, 08:09:18 pm
The North Central women beat College of Mt. Saint Joseph today 17-6, to move into third place in the MLWC.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 15, 2012, 08:10:57 pm
The team was paced by Danielle Fiala's 6 goals.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 15, 2012, 08:13:31 pm
The  Cardinal women will play Fontbonne, Sat., April 21.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 16, 2012, 03:36:20 pm
Congrats to North Central's Danielle Fiala, on being named MWLC offensive player of the week.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 22, 2012, 02:18:41 pm
North Centra women beat Fontbonne,19-3, yesterday. next up is Augie at home on April 25.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 01, 2012, 08:57:55 am
The North Central women dropped their final regular season contest, 18-10 to Adrian. Next up is the MLWC Tournament, which will be held this week-end.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Gray Fox on May 06, 2012, 02:53:06 pm
Is this a lacrosse board or a North Central lacrosse board?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 06, 2012, 04:36:17 pm
Is this a lacrosse board or a North Central lacrosse board?
  It's been here for awhile-so post away!!  North Central only has a women's team, but with lacrosse being added to so many high schools here, I wonder if they will add it for men someday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Gray Fox on May 08, 2012, 08:10:30 am
Brackets

  http://www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/lacrosse-women/d3
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 08, 2012, 09:10:45 am
Brackets

  http://www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/lacrosse-women/d3

Thanks for the link. Who's your favorite?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Gray Fox on May 08, 2012, 01:47:44 pm
I cheer for the SCIAC teams.  They are fairly new at this.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: dahlby on May 08, 2012, 03:47:44 pm
Gray Fox:
I cheer for them as well. I only started following LAX last year and have found ithe men's game to be a fast paced, physical contest.

The Chapman Women's LAX moves from Club Sport, Division 1 to NCAA D3 next year as part of its SCIAC affiliation.
Last year the women won the Club Sport Division 2 national title. This year they have qualified for the Division 1 national tourney in Colorado Springs next week. It should be interesting to watch the level of competition at the D3 level vs the club sport level, as I haven't watched much D3 level except for what ESPN has televised.

The ever strong Chapman men's team remains a club sport. They are currently ranked #5 (and have qualified for the national tourney) in Division 1 against several very strong national club programs, BYU, Utah, Michigan...to list a few.

I believe that Whittier College was the first SCIAC school to start LAX...several years ago. My neighbor's kid was one of those that help start the craze on Orange County.

Good Luck to both SCIAC teams, although one will be eliminated after the first game, as they play each other in the first round. (sound familiar?)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Gray Fox on May 08, 2012, 08:05:01 pm
Good Luck to both SCIAC teams, although one will be eliminated after the first game, as they play each other in the first round. (sound familiar?)
I assume the winner will fly to Salisbury for next week's games.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: dahlby on May 08, 2012, 10:06:54 pm


The Women's LAX Championships bracket shown at ncaa.com does confirm your assumption.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 09, 2012, 06:39:44 am
Intend to follow at least one of the 2 Adrian/Denison playoff matches today.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 09, 2012, 08:17:08 am


The Women's LAX Championships bracket shown at ncaa.com does confirm your assumption.

As does Sunday's story on D3sports.com:
http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2012/05/womens-lacrosse-tournament-field
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: dahlby on May 09, 2012, 10:05:20 am
PC,
Thanks, I missed it....sure is easier to navigate than the NCAA sight.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 09, 2012, 04:05:58 pm
Men's Opening Round Final:

#8 Denison 12, ARV Adrian 11  2 OT  (Bulldogs led for a good share of this game).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: dahlby on May 10, 2012, 10:07:48 am
Redland's over Oxy 15-14 in first round Women's NCAA D3  LAX action on Wednesday.
Redland's will travel back east to take on Catholic University this weekend.
Good luck to the Lady Bulldogs.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 10, 2012, 11:36:21 am
Redland's over Oxy 15-14 in first round Women's NCAA D3  LAX action on Wednesday.
Redland's will travel back east to take on Catholic University this weekend.
Good luck to the Lady Bulldogs.

Close game, however, I have Redlands in my final eight.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 17, 2012, 11:16:40 am
Well, with Gettysburg losing in the quarters, I'm down to two from my final eight and they are playing each other in the semi's. At least I'll have one in the finals.  :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dr. Acula on June 13, 2012, 12:06:45 pm
I'm very excited that Mount Union is adding lacrosse.  They hired the HC from SUNY Plattsburgh to be the men's HC.  Obviously I don't know anything about him really, but I like that 1) he's from NY, 2) he had a pretty good record as a HC.  I saw a blurb about a couple of upstate NY kids coming next year.  I'll be interested to see what his recruiting strategy is.  I'd have to think the roster will be very NY heavy.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on June 13, 2012, 12:27:41 pm
I'm very excited that Mount Union is adding lacrosse.  They hired the HC from SUNY Plattsburgh to be the men's HC.  Obviously I don't know anything about him really, but I like that 1) he's from NY, 2) he had a pretty good record as a HC.  I saw a blurb about a couple of upstate NY kids coming next year.  I'll be interested to see what his recruiting strategy is.  I'd have to think the roster will be very NY heavy.
  At least to start, however, lacrosse is becoming big in the illinois. More high schools have been adding the sport. I would think you'll see more Midwest kids wanting to play in college over the next few years.Even my son's former h.s. wants to add it soon and I never thought I'd see the day, but it's coming.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dr. Acula on June 13, 2012, 03:06:13 pm
Lacrosse is picking up steam in NE Ohio (where Mount is).  The larger Cleveland private schools and suburban schools have had programs a while.  Perhaps as those programs outside of Cleveland in the Akron/Canton area develop at the HS level they can recruit locally as well.  For now he'd basically be stuck recruiting Cleveland and suburban Columbus (the undisputed king of HS lacrosse in Ohio).  The top HS in Columbus are sending 6+ kids to college lacrosse yearly so there's numbers down there. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on June 14, 2012, 07:42:11 am
Sounds like lacrosse is taking hold of the midwest.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on June 14, 2012, 11:55:21 am
Lacrosse is picking up steam in NE Ohio (where Mount is).  The larger Cleveland private schools and suburban schools have had programs a while.  Perhaps as those programs outside of Cleveland in the Akron/Canton area develop at the HS level they can recruit locally as well.  For now he'd basically be stuck recruiting Cleveland and suburban Columbus (the undisputed king of HS lacrosse in Ohio).  The top HS in Columbus are sending 6+ kids to college lacrosse yearly so there's numbers down there.

You are right, My sons go to this high school and many kids go out east to play after high school. It originally really hurt our Baseball program because with all the success and opportunities the kids have now after high school. Many kids stop playing baseball in middle school and play lacrosse. When a sport wins state championships every year it is hard for the other sports to compete for that talent. Many other schools in Suburban Columbus have added Lacrosse and quite a few kids go on to play at OWU.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on June 14, 2012, 12:02:10 pm
Lacrosse is picking up steam in NE Ohio (where Mount is).  The larger Cleveland private schools and suburban schools have had programs a while.  Perhaps as those programs outside of Cleveland in the Akron/Canton area develop at the HS level they can recruit locally as well.  For now he'd basically be stuck recruiting Cleveland and suburban Columbus (the undisputed king of HS lacrosse in Ohio).  The top HS in Columbus are sending 6+ kids to college lacrosse yearly so there's numbers down there.

You are right, My sons go to this high school and many kids go out east to play after high school. It originally really hurt our Baseball program because with all the success and opportunities the kids have now after high school. Many kids stop playing baseball in middle school and play lacrosse. When a sport wins state championships every year it is hard for the other sports to compete for that talent. Many other schools in Suburban Columbus have added Lacrosse and quite a few kids go on to play at OWU.
Anytime you add a new sport, the existing sports take a hit for awhile. Evetually, things will even out, but lacrosse is hot right now.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on June 14, 2012, 12:14:51 pm
Lacrosse is picking up steam in NE Ohio (where Mount is).  The larger Cleveland private schools and suburban schools have had programs a while.  Perhaps as those programs outside of Cleveland in the Akron/Canton area develop at the HS level they can recruit locally as well.  For now he'd basically be stuck recruiting Cleveland and suburban Columbus (the undisputed king of HS lacrosse in Ohio).  The top HS in Columbus are sending 6+ kids to college lacrosse yearly so there's numbers down there.

You are right, My sons go to this high school and many kids go out east to play after high school. It originally really hurt our Baseball program because with all the success and opportunities the kids have now after high school. Many kids stop playing baseball in middle school and play lacrosse. When a sport wins state championships every year it is hard for the other sports to compete for that talent. Many other schools in Suburban Columbus have added Lacrosse and quite a few kids go on to play at OWU.
Anytime you add a new sport, the existing sports take a hit for awhile. Evetually, things will even out, but lacrosse is hot right now.
We added Lacrosse in 1972 as a club and 74 as a Varsity sport. The team started having great success in the 90's and Baseball is just recovering.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on June 14, 2012, 02:59:04 pm
Lacrosse is picking up steam in NE Ohio (where Mount is).  The larger Cleveland private schools and suburban schools have had programs a while.  Perhaps as those programs outside of Cleveland in the Akron/Canton area develop at the HS level they can recruit locally as well.  For now he'd basically be stuck recruiting Cleveland and suburban Columbus (the undisputed king of HS lacrosse in Ohio).  The top HS in Columbus are sending 6+ kids to college lacrosse yearly so there's numbers down there.

You are right, My sons go to this high school and many kids go out east to play after high school. It originally really hurt our Baseball program because with all the success and opportunities the kids have now after high school. Many kids stop playing baseball in middle school and play lacrosse. When a sport wins state championships every year it is hard for the other sports to compete for that talent. Many other schools in Suburban Columbus have added Lacrosse and quite a few kids go on to play at OWU.
Anytime you add a new sport, the existing sports take a hit for awhile. Evetually, things will even out, but lacrosse is hot right now.
We added Lacrosse in 1972 as a club and 74 as a Varsity sport. The team started having great success in the 90's and Baseball is just recovering.
You are way ahead of Illinois. A state tournament won't be sponsored by the IHSA until a minimum of 65 boys and 40 girls teams are established.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 14, 2012, 09:51:00 pm
The Comanches, Apaches and Kiowas, the "horsemen tribes" of the Texas plains, did not play lacrosse.

The Caddoes in east Texas were peaceful farmers. The Hueco and Tonkawa in central Texas were afraid of the Comanches, and the Karankawas on the Gulf Coast were too busy inventing smelly mosquito repellents.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on June 14, 2012, 10:20:37 pm
The Comanches, Apaches and Kiowas, the "horsemen tribes" of the Texas plains, did not play lacrosse.

The Caddoes in east Texas were peaceful farmers. The Hueco and Tonkawa in central Texas were afraid of the Comanches, and the Karankawas on the Gulf Coast were too busy inventing smelly mosquito repellents.
??????????
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 15, 2012, 10:19:35 am
The Comanches, Apaches and Kiowas, the "horsemen tribes" of the Texas plains, did not play lacrosse.

The Caddoes in east Texas were peaceful farmers. The Hueco and Tonkawa in central Texas were afraid of the Comanches, and the Karankawas on the Gulf Coast were too busy inventing smelly mosquito repellents.
??????????

Why lacrosse is not indigenous to Texas?   ;)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on June 15, 2012, 10:39:03 am
The Comanches, Apaches and Kiowas, the "horsemen tribes" of the Texas plains, did not play lacrosse.

The Caddoes in east Texas were peaceful farmers. The Hueco and Tonkawa in central Texas were afraid of the Comanches, and the Karankawas on the Gulf Coast were too busy inventing smelly mosquito repellents.
??????????

Why lacrosse is not indigenous to Texas?   ;)
That's what I thought, but didn't want to assume :). Besides- football is KING in Texas-at least that's what my brother-in-law always told me:)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on July 20, 2012, 01:17:42 pm
Any schools adding Lacrosse for the 12-13 school year?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: dahlby on July 20, 2012, 03:04:40 pm
Chapman University Ladies go from club to D3 status.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on July 20, 2012, 03:20:15 pm
sounds good. i expect schools to start adding it to their club offerings as more and more high schools offer the sport as well.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: dahlby on July 20, 2012, 03:40:13 pm
Title 9 will have a big impact as schools convert to D3 from club. Chapman has a very strong club men's team, but they are staying club at this time. We usually have around 40-50 players. Last year (2011) the women won the nat'l club division 2 title, and this year they went to the club D1 finals. The men have finished in the top 4 at the finals of club D1 for the past 5 or so years.

It is an exciting sport that I am starting to learn. Very fast paced.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on July 20, 2012, 04:50:32 pm
Title 9 will have a big impact as schools convert to D3 from club. Chapman has a very strong club men's team, but they are staying club at this time. We usually have around 40-50 players. Last year (2011) the women won the nat'l club division 2 title, and this year they went to the club D1 finals. The men have finished in the top 4 at the finals of club D1 for the past 5 or so years.

It is an exciting sport that I am starting to learn. Very fast paced.
It is! The high school I coach at wants to add it in the next year or so. I would think that colleges with wrestling could offer lacrosse to women. Do you know the break down of men's vs women's teams in D30
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: TitanPride on September 19, 2012, 03:37:22 pm
Illinois Wesleyan announced today that they will be adding men's lacrosse in the Spring of 2014.  A women's team will start competition the following year.  The CCIW looks to add lacrosse as an official conference sport soon.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on September 19, 2012, 06:16:38 pm
Illinois Wesleyan announced today that they will be adding men's lacrosse in the Spring of 2014.  A women's team will start competition the following year.  The CCIW looks to add lacrosse as an official conference sport soon.
  That's interesting as North Central has a women's team. I wonder if they drop a men's sport to add lacrosse or if they add men's lacrosse plus one other women's sport.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on September 20, 2012, 01:31:43 am
I have very mixed feelings about lacrosse.

My older son fell in love with the game and attended a camp.  He found a sympathetic teacher (with a lacrosse background) and founded the high school lacrosse club team his junior year.  They were awful - David and his childhood chum Chris (who also went to the camp) were the only ones with ANY lacrosse experience.  They not only lost every game; they were never even competitive in any game.  In David's senior year, they were marginally better: they won three games.  In the first tournament game, they faced a team they had beaten, 8-2, with David scoring 5 and assisting on all three others.  Knowing David was the threat, in the first thirty seconds a goon took out his knee with his stick.  Game over.  David is one tough kid, and stayed in, but every time he tried to shoot, his knee buckled: he had both assists, but they lost 4-2.

Has lacrosse ever found a solution to goons?  The kid got a two-minute penalty; but even if he was thrown out of the game, an unscrupulous coach merely needs to send a totally superfluous player in to do the 'goonery'.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on September 20, 2012, 12:31:26 pm
Any schools adding Lacrosse for the 12-13 school year?

The MIAA has 7 schools adding  both Varsity Men's and Women's Lacrosse for the 2013 season("upgrading" from club):

Adrian
Albion
Alma
Calvin
Hope
Olivet
Trine
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on September 20, 2012, 12:45:11 pm
Lacrosse is big in the high schools now and my son's school will be adding it soon. We've even begun to teach it at the junior high as part of our physical education program.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 03, 2012, 09:25:07 pm
Any schools adding Lacrosse for the 12-13 school year?
Loras College Women are adding lacrosse in 2013.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2012, 01:11:26 am
Any schools adding Lacrosse for the 12-13 school year?
Loras College Women are adding lacrosse in 2013.

Richard Stockton also.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on November 04, 2012, 08:06:10 am
Still not the big explosion I'm waiting to see. With budgets tight, the big growth of the sport could take awhile.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 18, 2012, 06:52:20 am
Benedictine-IL men:

Schedule:

http://athletics.ben.edu/schedule.asp?schedule=102
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on December 20, 2012, 05:57:27 am
Benedictine-IL men:

Schedule:

http://athletics.ben.edu/schedule.asp?schedule=102
  the link didn't work, I tried it from two different places.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 20, 2012, 09:32:29 am
Benedictine's (and fellow in-conference newcomer Calvin's) schedule are included in the Midwest Lacrosse Conference 2013 Composite schedule.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on December 20, 2012, 01:48:50 pm
Benedictine's (and fellow in-conference newcomer Calvin's) schedule are included in the Midwest Lacrosse Conference 2013 Composite schedule.

Thanks for the info
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 04, 2013, 06:36:31 pm
A couple pre-season conference projections:

Midwest Women's Lacrosse Conference:
http://augustana.edu/x55623.xml

Midwest Lacrosse Conference:
http://augustana.edu/x55622.xml
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on February 04, 2013, 10:13:54 pm
A couple pre-season conference projections:

Midwest Women's Lacrosse Conference:
http://augustana.edu/x55623.xml

Midwest Lacrosse Conference:
http://augustana.edu/x55622.xml
these links are just bringing me to the augie home page,not the athletics website.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 04, 2013, 11:32:24 pm
Isn't a headline showing where Augie is projected showing up for you on either link?  (The entire poll should be at the bottom of each page)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 04, 2013, 11:41:08 pm
Correction:

Midwest Lacrosse Conference:
http://www.augustana.edu/x55622.xml

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on February 05, 2013, 07:53:15 am
Here is the womens link
http://www.midwestwomenslacrosseconference.com/news/2013/2/4/WLAX_0204133824.aspx
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: A Lover of the Game on February 05, 2013, 12:43:41 pm
CCIW schools Augustana and Elmhurst will join Carthage with lacrosse teams as well. 

Interesting with the MIAA forming their own conference, as three of those teams currently play in the Midwest Lacrosse Conference.  What would have been a 14 team conference next season (2012-2013), is already going to be down to 11 with the MIAA schools going out on their own.  This will probably be the norm as more and more schools add lacrosse to the list of varsity sports and the traditional conferences begin to sponsor it.  The Northern Athletic Conference will have four with Aurora, Benedictine, Concordia Wisconsin and MSOE. 

There are surely more to come in the next few years.

I am not sure if anyone mentioned this, but IWU will be adding lacrosse to their sports line up in 2014. My daughter is pretty excited, as she is a lacrosse player. Someone mentioned that lacrosse is picking up like wild fire, it certainly is and it's a fun sport to watch.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on February 05, 2013, 02:36:35 pm
CCIW schools Augustana and Elmhurst will join Carthage with lacrosse teams as well. 

Interesting with the MIAA forming their own conference, as three of those teams currently play in the Midwest Lacrosse Conference.  What would have been a 14 team conference next season (2012-2013), is already going to be down to 11 with the MIAA schools going out on their own.  This will probably be the norm as more and more schools add lacrosse to the list of varsity sports and the traditional conferences begin to sponsor it.  The Northern Athletic Conference will have four with Aurora, Benedictine, Concordia Wisconsin and MSOE. 

There are surely more to come in the next few years.

I am not sure if anyone mentioned this, but IWU will be adding lacrosse to their sports line up in 2014. My daughter is pretty excited, as she is a lacrosse player. Someone mentioned that lacrosse is picking up like wild fire, it certainly is and it's a fun sport to watch.
Are they adding both men's and women's teams? North Central currently has only a women's team.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 10, 2013, 03:09:57 pm
Carthage men open up 2-0, easily taking Calvin and then beating Albion in a close one.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on February 11, 2013, 08:10:12 am
The Carthage men have a very long season.  North Central's women open in early March and end before May.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: A Lover of the Game on February 12, 2013, 03:50:10 pm
CCIW schools Augustana and Elmhurst will join Carthage with lacrosse teams as well. 

Interesting with the MIAA forming their own conference, as three of those teams currently play in the Midwest Lacrosse Conference.  What would have been a 14 team conference next season (2012-2013), is already going to be down to 11 with the MIAA schools going out on their own.  This will probably be the norm as more and more schools add lacrosse to the list of varsity sports and the traditional conferences begin to sponsor it.  The Northern Athletic Conference will have four with Aurora, Benedictine, Concordia Wisconsin and MSOE. 

There are surely more to come in the next few years.

I am not sure if anyone mentioned this, but IWU will be adding lacrosse to their sports line up in 2014. My daughter is pretty excited, as she is a lacrosse player. Someone mentioned that lacrosse is picking up like wild fire, it certainly is and it's a fun sport to watch.
Are they adding both men's and women's teams? North Central currently has only a women's team.

Men's fall 2013 and women's fall 2014
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on February 12, 2013, 04:22:33 pm
CCIW schools Augustana and Elmhurst will join Carthage with lacrosse teams as well. 

Interesting with the MIAA forming their own conference, as three of those teams currently play in the Midwest Lacrosse Conference.  What would have been a 14 team conference next season (2012-2013), is already going to be down to 11 with the MIAA schools going out on their own.  This will probably be the norm as more and more schools add lacrosse to the list of varsity sports and the traditional conferences begin to sponsor it.  The Northern Athletic Conference will have four with Aurora, Benedictine, Concordia Wisconsin and MSOE. 

There are surely more to come in the next few years.

I am not sure if anyone mentioned this, but IWU will be adding lacrosse to their sports line up in 2014. My daughter is pretty excited, as she is a lacrosse player. Someone mentioned that lacrosse is picking up like wild fire, it certainly is and it's a fun sport to watch.
Are they adding both men's and women's teams? North Central currently has only a women's team.

Men's fall 2013 and women's fall 2014
Fall? will it be a club team? Most schools have lacrosse in the spring.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: A Lover of the Game on February 14, 2013, 02:07:11 pm
Sorry about that.  I said fall meaning the school term that the sport will begin.  It is my understanding that it will be a collegiate sport.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on February 14, 2013, 03:32:09 pm
Sorry about that.  I said fall meaning the school term that the sport will begin.  It is my understanding that it will be a collegiate sport.
It won't be too long before more CCIW schools have teams and they can have their own conference. With wrestling being taken out of the Olympics, we could see more schools drop the sport and add lacrosse.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 16, 2013, 07:05:45 pm
please lacrosse. I follow the ncac and denison.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on February 17, 2013, 08:25:59 am
please lacrosse. I follow the ncac and denison.
How many ncac schools offer lacrosse?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 17, 2013, 01:14:19 pm
well let's see trying to remember off the top of my head. Denison, Ohio Wesleyan, Wooster, Oberlin, Kenyon(that takes care of the ohio 5)also wittenberg, and depauw. I don't believe allegheney,hiram, or wabash field varsity lacrosse. There are also oac schools picking the sport up now. Otterbein and Mt. Union currently have teams and Capital is adding lacrosse next year. That a&m school here in columbus that plays d1 I don't like to talk about.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on February 18, 2013, 07:34:13 am
well let's see trying to remember off the top of my head. Denison, Ohio Wesleyan, Wooster, Oberlin, Kenyon(that takes care of the ohio 5)also wittenberg, and depauw. I don't believe allegheney,hiram, or wabash field varsity lacrosse. There are also oac schools picking the sport up now. Otterbein and Mt. Union currently have teams and Capital is adding lacrosse next year. That a&m school here in columbus that plays d1 I don't like to talk about.
Looks like your spring will be filled with games to watch.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: ohiofan1954 on February 19, 2013, 11:11:18 am
denison vs ohio weleyan is the big one around here. One note extra on that game from last year I would like to add if I may? First time I have ever attended a d3 game in any sport where the fans of the opposing schools had to enter through different gates.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on February 19, 2013, 02:42:49 pm
denison vs ohio weleyan is the big one around here. One note extra on that game from last year I would like to add if I may? First time I have ever attended a d3 game in any sport where the fans of the opposing schools had to enter through different gates.
we had to to that at Carthage for football.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 26, 2013, 09:12:22 am
Congrats to North Central's Daniella Fiala and Gina Fisher on their selections as MWLC Offensive and Defensive Players of the Week!! North Central stands 2-2 with a game tonight in Naperville against Beloit at 7 pm. Bring blankets and hot chocolate-should be pretty cold out there tonigt  :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: baselinejam on March 28, 2013, 03:00:05 pm
You guys need to steal some posters from Laxpower .com ??? They get a huge D-III flow. There are 241 women's D-3 teams & 208  men's teams :o
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 29, 2013, 06:31:47 am
You guys need to steal some posters from Laxpower .com ??? They get a huge D-III flow. There are 241 women's D-3 teams & 208  men's teams :o
But not a lot of posters-yet. Give it a few more years. The biggest bo:rds here are football and basketball.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 30, 2013, 01:53:45 pm
Good to hear that 1st year Men;s Lacrosse squad Benedictine (IL) has 3 wins under its' belt (in 8 overall matches).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 30, 2013, 04:12:06 pm
Denison men win another one going away today (over DePauw)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 01, 2013, 08:53:37 am
The North Central women take their 2-0 conf record on the road tomorrow when they play Aurora. Game time is 4.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 03, 2013, 07:54:27 am
The Cards remain undefeated in conference play after a 15-5 victory over Aurora.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 06, 2013, 07:16:50 am
Are there any NESCAC women's lacrosse fans out there?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 06, 2013, 12:29:50 pm
Vandy, do you follow just one specific NESCAC school, or the entire conference in general?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 06, 2013, 06:31:04 pm
Vandy, do you follow just one specific NESCAC school, or the entire conference in general?

I was just a casual observer who knew very little about the game until 7 years ago when I was asked to keep the time clock for Middlebury home games.  The coach is my sister-in-law and I did clock duties for 2-3 seasons.  I now keep track of Trinity as well since they are coached by a former Middlebury player who also is the daughter of two high school classmates.  They had a wonderful season last year and seem to be just as strong again this time around.  I have a general knowledge of who is good in the NESCAC from year to year.  Trinity, Middlebury and Colby are all unbeaten and I believe Bowdoin is also highly ranked as well.  Amherst too, I think, but Middlebury had a surprisingly easy time with them today.  Tufts can't be overlooked tomorrow.  Williams is usually very good.  They seem to be having an off year but should never be taken lightly.   I try to see as many home games as I can.  I'm still learning some of the rules.  I really enjoy the women's game.  Not so much the way the men play it. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 06, 2013, 09:37:23 pm
Vandy, do you follow just one specific NESCAC school, or the entire conference in general?

I was just a casual observer who knew very little about the game until 7 years ago when I was asked to keep the time clock for Middlebury home games.  The coach is my sister-in-law and I did clock duties for 2-3 seasons.  I now keep track of Trinity as well since they are coached by a former Middlebury player who also is the daughter of two high school classmates.  They had a wonderful season last year and seem to be just as strong again this time around.  I have a general knowledge of who is good in the NESCAC from year to year.  Trinity, Middlebury and Colby are all unbeaten and I believe Bowdoin is also highly ranked as well.  Amherst too, I think, but Middlebury had a surprisingly easy time with them today.  Tufts can't be overlooked tomorrow.  Williams is usually very good.  They seem to be having an off year but should never be taken lightly.   I try to see as many home games as I can.  I'm still learning some of the rules.  I really enjoy the women's game.  Not so much the way the men play it. 

I just started following the sport myself, when several local Midwest Region D3 squads (Concordia-WI, for one) joined the Midwest Lacrosse and Midwest Women's Lacrosse Conference(s), respectively. I've been checking the progress of first-year lacrosse squad Benedictine (IL). This is only the second year those conferences have been in existence. Denison (OH) men are the closest nationally ranked team to my region at this point in time. (Just today, I caught Denison's women's win over Sewanee).

Sounds like your NESCAC squads have at lot more experience than those I've neem following.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 07, 2013, 02:27:25 am
Vandy, do you follow just one specific NESCAC school, or the entire conference in general?

I was just a casual observer who knew very little about the game until 7 years ago when I was asked to keep the time clock for Middlebury home games.  The coach is my sister-in-law and I did clock duties for 2-3 seasons.  I now keep track of Trinity as well since they are coached by a former Middlebury player who also is the daughter of two high school classmates.  They had a wonderful season last year and seem to be just as strong again this time around.  I have a general knowledge of who is good in the NESCAC from year to year.  Trinity, Middlebury and Colby are all unbeaten and I believe Bowdoin is also highly ranked as well.  Amherst too, I think, but Middlebury had a surprisingly easy time with them today.  Tufts can't be overlooked tomorrow.  Williams is usually very good.  They seem to be having an off year but should never be taken lightly.   I try to see as many home games as I can.  I'm still learning some of the rules.  I really enjoy the women's game.  Not so much the way the men play it. 

I just started following the sport myself, when several local Midwest Region D3 squads (Concordia-WI, for one) joined the Midwest Lacrosse and Midwest Women's Lacrosse Conference(s), respectively. I've been checking the progress of first-year lacrosse squad Benedictine (IL). This is only the second year those conferences have been in existence. Denison (OH) men are the closest nationally ranked team to my region at this point in time. (Just today, I caught Denison's women's win over Sewanee).

Sounds like your NESCAC squads have at lot more experience than those I've neem following.

Denison's women beat Adrian in last year's D3 tourney.  Based on comparative scores they probably would have beaten the team Middlebury faced in the next round (they were in the same bracket) and gone on to the Elite Eight.  Unfortunately they faced Gettysburg who were the defending national champions and always one of the best teams.  Since Adrian only lost to Denison by one goal it seems likely they would advanced against Middlebury's opponent as well.  Middlebury beat Gettyburg in the next round and have beaten them 14-11 in an out-of-conference regular season game this year.  The Northeast does seem to be the D3 lacrosse hotbed.  From 1991-2006 only one team other than Middlebury and Trenton College of New Jersey won the national championship.  That monopoly is changing.  5 different schools have won the 6 titles since.  Neither Midd nor TCNJ have been among them nor has either been the loser of the championship game although both school's continue to have strong programs. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 07, 2013, 08:24:44 am
After being down 10-6 in the 2nd half, the Cardinal women won in triple overtime, 15-14 against Otterbein.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 07, 2013, 08:52:32 am
After being down 10-6 in the 2nd half, the Cardinal women won in triple overtime, 15-14 against Otterbein.

I googled CCIW and learned the conference.  Apologies for not knowing for sure who the Cardinal women are but expect they could be North Central.  My first love is college basketball.  North Central totally took Middlebury out of it's game in the field of Eight and almost succeeded in  doing the same to Amherst in the next round.  We badly wanted that rematch with Amherst who beat us 104-101 in 3OT regular season.  Amherst plays for all the marbles this afternoon against Mary Hardin Baylor.  Strange how the game progresses but if a certain Amherst player hadn't drawn his fourth foul late in the game forcing a replacement move it is my opinion that NCC would have won and be playing in Atlanta today.  Good team.  Very deep offensively.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 07, 2013, 02:52:34 pm
After being down 10-6 in the 2nd half, the Cardinal women won in triple overtime, 15-14 against Otterbein.

I googled CCIW and learned the conference.  Apologies for not knowing for sure who the Cardinal women are but expect they could be North Central.  My first love is college basketball.  North Central totally took Middlebury out of it's game in the field of Eight and almost succeeded in  doing the same to Amherst in the next round.  We badly wanted that rematch with Amherst who beat us 104-101 in 3OT regular season.  Amherst plays for all the marbles this afternoon against Mary Hardin Baylor.  Strange how the game progresses but if a certain Amherst player hadn't drawn his fourth foul late in the game forcing a replacement move it is my opinion that NCC would have won and be playing in Atlanta today.  Good team.  Very deep offensively.
That's interesting that you say that about NC as a friend of mine who was at the game said North Central just wasn't very sharp that night. I thought they had a great run. As for the women's lacrosse team, they play in the MWLC. It will probably be a few more years until the CCIW adds the sport.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 07, 2013, 06:41:45 pm
After being down 10-6 in the 2nd half, the Cardinal women won in triple overtime, 15-14 against Otterbein.

I googled CCIW and learned the conference.  Apologies for not knowing for sure who the Cardinal women are but expect they could be North Central.  My first love is college basketball.  North Central totally took Middlebury out of it's game in the field of Eight and almost succeeded in  doing the same to Amherst in the next round.  We badly wanted that rematch with Amherst who beat us 104-101 in 3OT regular season.  Amherst plays for all the marbles this afternoon against Mary Hardin Baylor.  Strange how the game progresses but if a certain Amherst player hadn't drawn his fourth foul late in the game forcing a replacement move it is my opinion that NCC would have won and be playing in Atlanta today.  Good team.  Very deep offensively.
That's interesting that you say that about NC as a friend of mine who was at the game said North Central just wasn't very sharp that night. I thought they had a great run. As for the women's lacrosse team, they play in the MWLC. It will probably be a few more years until the CCIW adds the sport.

Your friend is correct.  NC wasn't very sharp on offense that night but they so completely shut down the highly touted Lord Jeff scoring machine that they still seemed to have the upper hand.  Amherst averaged 84 points per game this season.  NC held them to 52.  Neither Middlebury nor Amherst could stop Gamble.  Amherst was playing a freshman Ben Pollack, who only averaged about 13 minutes per game, against him late in the second half.  The score was close but Amherst seemed incapable of putting a good run together.  Pollack picked up his 4th foul and was replaced by Peter Kaasila who ordinarily gets the bulk of the playing time at C/F.  When it was all over he and Pollack had each played 20 minutes.  I assume that Pollack had been put in originally because Kaasila had been ineffective but the minute Kaasila came back in for the last 5 minutes or so the Amherst team started playing better than they had the entire game  previously.  I considered it the turning point in a game that I honestly believed Amherst was about to lose.  Other than Williamson for Amherst and Gamble for NC it was a flat out ugly game all around.  Which really means both teams for all their scoring woes played great D.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 08, 2013, 04:10:37 am
well let's see trying to remember off the top of my head. Denison, Ohio Wesleyan, Wooster, Oberlin, Kenyon(that takes care of the ohio 5)also wittenberg, and depauw. I don't believe allegheney,hiram, or wabash field varsity lacrosse. There are also oac schools picking the sport up now. Otterbein and Mt. Union currently have teams and Capital is adding lacrosse next year. That a&m school here in columbus that plays d1 I don't like to talk about.

davepi2,

I follow Middlebury in the NESCAC and am more familiar with the women's team since my sister-in-law is the coach.  Our men's team is currently ranked right behind Denison.  Our attempted upset of #4 Tufts this afternoon fell just short.  I see that your men's team plays some schools like Cabrini and Washington & Lee.  Your women's team is unranked despite it's undefeated record and modest success in last year's tourney.  They don't seem to have the same strength of schedule.  I see they play Adrian who also made last year's tournament.  They should be able to attract games with schools like Gettysburg and Salisbury which would involve travel plans similar to some of the out-of-area teams the men play.  Do you know if there is any interest in building up their schedule like that or are you strictly a fan of the men's team? 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 08, 2013, 07:53:44 am
After being down 10-6 in the 2nd half, the Cardinal women won in triple overtime, 15-14 against Otterbein.

I googled CCIW and learned the conference.  Apologies for not knowing for sure who the Cardinal women are but expect they could be North Central.  My first love is college basketball.  North Central totally took Middlebury out of it's game in the field of Eight and almost succeeded in  doing the same to Amherst in the next round.  We badly wanted that rematch with Amherst who beat us 104-101 in 3OT regular season.  Amherst plays for all the marbles this afternoon against Mary Hardin Baylor.  Strange how the game progresses but if a certain Amherst player hadn't drawn his fourth foul late in the game forcing a replacement move it is my opinion that NCC would have won and be playing in Atlanta today.  Good team.  Very deep offensively.
That's interesting that you say that about NC as a friend of mine who was at the game said North Central just wasn't very sharp that night. I thought they had a great run. As for the women's lacrosse team, they play in the MWLC. It will probably be a few more years until the CCIW adds the sport.

Your friend is correct.  NC wasn't very sharp on offense that night but they so completely shut down the highly touted Lord Jeff scoring machine that they still seemed to have the upper hand.  Amherst averaged 84 points per game this season.  NC held them to 52.  Neither Middlebury nor Amherst could stop Gamble.  Amherst was playing a freshman Ben Pollack, who only averaged about 13 minutes per game, against him late in the second half.  The score was close but Amherst seemed incapable of putting a good run together.  Pollack picked up his 4th foul and was replaced by Peter Kaasila who ordinarily gets the bulk of the playing time at C/F.  When it was all over he and Pollack had each played 20 minutes.  I assume that Pollack had been put in originally because Kaasila had been ineffective but the minute Kaasila came back in for the last 5 minutes or so the Amherst team started playing better than they had the entire game  previously.  I considered it the turning point in a game that I honestly believed Amherst was about to lose.  Other than Williamson for Amherst and Gamble for NC it was a flat out ugly game all around.  Which really means both teams for all their scoring woes played great D.
And defense wins championships!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 10, 2013, 08:32:55 am
North Central's women recorded the first shut-out in school history with a 15-0 victory over Benedictine.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 12, 2013, 05:06:46 am
North Central's women recorded the first shut-out in school history with a 15-0 victory over Benedictine.

Congratulations to the North Central women' lax.  It looks like they are having a very successful season.  If I read it correctly they have 3 more games they ought to win rather easily and 3 more that will test their mettle.  The Augustana game coming up looks to be a good indicator of how far the program has evolved.  Adrian is having another fine season and is bound for post season play.  They only beat Augustana by a 16-11 margin earlier in the season.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 12, 2013, 08:32:10 am
North Central's women recorded the first shut-out in school history with a 15-0 victory over Benedictine.

Congratulations to the North Central women' lax.  It looks like they are having a very successful season.  If I read it correctly they have 3 more games they ought to win rather easily and 3 more that will test their mettle.  The Augustana game coming up looks to be a good indicator of how far the program has evolved.  Adrian is having another fine season and is bound for post season play.  They only beat Augustana by a 16-11 margin earlier in the season.  Good luck!

You're right-they are having a very successful season(so far). They came from behind yesterday to beat Concordia (Minn) and play Augie, in Rock Island on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 13, 2013, 06:39:40 pm
Ouch!  Congratulations to #1 Trinity beating Middlebury 10-9 this afternoon.  Midd came back from a 9-5 deficit at @ 18:00 in the second half to tie it up but lost on a goal scored with @ 2 minutes remaining.  That's four consecutive losses to Trinity, two of them by 11-10 scores.   :-\  Here's hoping for a rematch in post-season play.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 14, 2013, 02:41:05 pm
North Central downed DePauw 17-13 today. Next up is Augustana on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 15, 2013, 08:41:02 pm
North Central downed DePauw 17-13 today. Next up is Augustana on Tuesday.

A good win against DePauw and a new team record for wins in a season I see.  Good luck tomorrow.  Middlebury plays at Union coming off a tough loss in what has quickly become a rivalry game.  Then it's Colby on Saturday who, like the Panthers, have only lost to Trinity thus far.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 15, 2013, 09:13:26 pm
North Central downed DePauw 17-13 today. Next up is Augustana on Tuesday.

A good win against DePauw and a new team record for wins in a season I see.  Good luck tomorrow.  Middlebury plays at Union coming off a tough loss in what has quickly become a rivalry game.  Then it's Colby on Saturday who, like the Panthers, have only lost to Trinity thus far.
I remember this team four years ago, when my son was a freshman. They were not good at all. The team  is only in it's fifth season and has steadily improved each year.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 17, 2013, 03:49:52 am
North Central downed DePauw 17-13 today. Next up is Augustana on Tuesday.

Tough loss for North Central.  This is what the program has achieved.  Up until the last ten seconds of the game you played even with a team that lost very respectably 11-16 to Adrian, a team that will return to the ncaa tournament this season.  Adrian is 12-2 and lost 9-13 to Christopher-Newport, currently ranked 14th nationally in D3.   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 17, 2013, 08:02:03 am
North Central downed DePauw 17-13 today. Next up is Augustana on Tuesday.

Tough loss for North Central.  This is what the program has achieved.  Up until the last ten seconds of the game you played even with a team that lost very respectably 11-16 to Adrian, a team that will return to the ncaa tournament this season.  Adrian is 12-2 and lost 9-13 to Christopher-Newport, currently ranked 14th nationally in D3.
They had several opportunities to get the go ahead goal, but couldn't quite get it done. Tough day for the lady cards as the softball team dropped a dh to carthage yesterday as well.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 17, 2013, 04:40:51 pm
4/17/13 Regional Rankings are out:

Men:
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-men/d3/regional_rankings

Women:
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/lacrosse-women/d3/regional_rankings
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 18, 2013, 05:56:31 am
North Central downed DePauw 17-13 today. Next up is Augustana on Tuesday.

Tough loss for North Central.  This is what the program has achieved.  Up until the last ten seconds of the game you played even with a team that lost very respectably 11-16 to Adrian, a team that will return to the ncaa tournament this season.  Adrian is 12-2 and lost 9-13 to Christopher-Newport, currently ranked 14th nationally in D3.
They had several opportunities to get the go ahead goal, but couldn't quite get it done. Tough day for the lady cards as the softball team dropped a dh to carthage yesterday as well.

North Central's game with Carthage next Tuesday should be a good one and another indicator of what they could do against some of the better teams in D3.  Carthage opened it's season with a tough schedule including Redlands and Wooster, ranked 1st and 3rd in the Western region.  They lost by a very respectable 5 goal margin to each of them.  They have won 9 of their last 10 losing only to Augustana 10-9.  Wooster, btw, only lost 9-6 to Denison, #4 in the Western Region, and 7-5 to Fredonia St. ranked 2nd in the New York Region. 
Colorado College is an interesting team.  They are only 5-8 but they travel all over the country playing the best each region has to offer.  They have lost close games to Denison and Adrian and 18-9 to Redlands.  Tomorrow they are in Maine to play 6th ranked Colby  (I hope they wear them out because Middlebury has to play Colby on Saturday) and then they take on 8th ranked Bowdoin.  Middlebury went out there to play them a few seasons back.  Brutal schedule.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 18, 2013, 07:54:09 am
North Central downed DePauw 17-13 today. Next up is Augustana on Tuesday.

Tough loss for North Central.  This is what the program has achieved.  Up until the last ten seconds of the game you played even with a team that lost very respectably 11-16 to Adrian, a team that will return to the ncaa tournament this season.  Adrian is 12-2 and lost 9-13 to Christopher-Newport, currently ranked 14th nationally in D3.
They had several opportunities to get the go ahead goal, but couldn't quite get it done. Tough day for the lady cards as the softball team dropped a dh to carthage yesterday as well.

North Central's game with Carthage next Tuesday should be a good one and another indicator of what they could do against some of the better teams in D3.  Carthage opened it's season with a tough schedule including Redlands and Wooster, ranked 1st and 3rd in the Western region.  They lost by a very respectable 5 goal margin to each of them.  They have won 9 of their last 10 losing only to Augustana 10-9.  Wooster, btw, only lost 9-6 to Denison, #4 in the Western Region, and 7-5 to Fredonia St. ranked 2nd in the New York Region. 
Colorado College is an interesting team.  They are only 5-8 but they travel all over the country playing the best each region has to offer.  They have lost close games to Denison and Adrian and 18-9 to Redlands.  Tomorrow they are in Maine to play 6th ranked Colby  (I hope they wear them out because Middlebury has to play Colby on Saturday) and then they take on 8th ranked Bowdoin.  Middlebury went out there to play them a few seasons back.  Brutal schedule.
It was odd to look at the rankings and see no Midwest division, The sport is taking hold here in Illinois, however as even my kids high school has added it this year. I would bet in the next five years the Midwest will explode in terms of colleges that offer the sport.  Yes, the North Central, Carthage game should be a good one.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 19, 2013, 06:00:10 am

It was odd to look at the rankings and see no Midwest division, The sport is taking hold here in Illinois, however as even my kids high school has added it this year. I would bet in the next five years the Midwest will explode in terms of colleges that offer the sport.  Yes, the North Central, Carthage game should be a good one.
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NCF....It works the same as basketball.  Conference strength means everything and you are still in the process of putting your conferences together when it comes to lacrosse.  Check out last year's tournament bracket.  www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/lacrosse-women/d3/2011   First round games are as ''local" as possible.  With so few conferences in the Midwest and West,  Denison and Adrian must play each other and Redlands and Occidental must do likewise.  Two one goal margins of victory.  Meanwhile  Middlebury wins 19-1.  Amherst wins 19-1 and Trinity wins 16-1.  Middlebury and Trinity advanced to the Final Four and Trinity won it all so these were very good teams, but none of them played a very good first round opponent.  They were teams that won the championship in much weaker leagues to gain an automatic berth.  When the Midwest puts together a few more competitive conferences then the best teams in the region will not have to beat each other up in the opening round.  If the same is happening in the West even better.  The bracket will have to expand and instead of the best teams in the region having to face each other in the first round they can have the same opportunity to advance as the eastern teams do that play a much lower regional seed.   
From what little I've seen Augustana, Carthage and North Central can be the nucleus of a very good conference but they won't get there just playing each other.  They should try to put Denison or Adrian on their schedule as often as possible and go east for Spring Break to play some teams they probably won't beat for a while but will learn from.  That's how it's done.  Look at last year's bracket.  Those late round teams are not facing each other for the first time.  Middlebury goes South to play either Gettysburg or Salisbury in the regular season every year.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 19, 2013, 11:57:34 am

It was odd to look at the rankings and see no Midwest division, The sport is taking hold here in Illinois, however as even my kids high school has added it this year. I would bet in the next five years the Midwest will explode in terms of colleges that offer the sport.  Yes, the North Central, Carthage game should be a good one.

NCF....It works the same as basketball.  Conference strength means everything and you are still in the process of putting your conferences together when it comes to lacrosse.  Check out last year's tournament bracket.  www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/lacrosse-women/d3/2011   First round games are as ''local" as possible.  With so few conferences in the Midwest and West,  Denison and Adrian must play each other and Redlands and Occidental must do likewise.  Two one goal margins of victory.  Meanwhile  Middlebury wins 19-1.  Amherst wins 19-1 and Trinity wins 16-1.  Middlebury and Trinity advanced to the Final Four and Trinity won it all so these were very good teams, but none of them played a very good first round opponent.  They were teams that won the championship in much weaker leagues to gain an automatic berth.  When the Midwest puts together a few more competitive conferences then the best teams in the region will not have to beat each other up in the opening round.  If the same is happening in the West even better.  The bracket will have to expand and instead of the best teams in the region having to face each other in the first round they can have the same opportunity to advance as the eastern teams do that play a much lower regional seed.   
From what little I've seen Augustana, Carthage and North Central can be the nucleus of a very good conference but they won't get there just playing each other.  They should try to put Denison or Adrian on their schedule as often as possible and go east for Spring Break to play some teams they probably won't beat for a while but will learn from.  That's how it's done.  Look at last year's bracket.  Those late round teams are not facing each other for the first time.  Middlebury goes South to play either Gettysburg or Salisbury in the regular season every year.
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The CCIW won't have a conference for awhile, but North Central does take a spring break trip. This year they went out west to play University of Puget Sound (L 10-18), Pacific U (L 5-13) and Linfield (17-3).  I'm sure as the program gets stronger, they will venture out east to see how they match up against some of the stronger teams in the nation.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 20, 2013, 12:47:43 am

The CCIW won't have a conference for awhile, but North Central does take a spring break trip. This year they went out west to play University of Puget Sound (L 10-18), Pacific U (L 5-13) and Linfield (17-3).  I'm sure as the program gets stronger, they will venture out east to see how they match up against some of the stronger teams in the nation.

Do you know the CCIW's plans concerning lacrosse?  North Central, Carthage and Augustana are members, as you point out, but they are also presently members of the Midwest Women's Lacrosse Conference as well.  There are 6 other schools that are not associated with the CCIW.  There is one other team I noticed last evening that is playing on the club level and will join next season.  I don't recall offhand who it is.  Augustana, Carthage and North Central are by far the best teams at present, which is what I was referring to as the nucleus of a new conference.  The MWLC also has a conference tournament scheduled to begin after the regular season is over.  As competitive as comparative scores show the three top teams to be with the likes of Redlands, Adrian, Denison and Occidental, to name teams that have competed in the NCAA tourney the last two years, the winner of such a conference tournament ought to be playing for an NCAA berth certainly by as soon as next season.   Redlands played in the NCAA's in what seems to be the second year of it's own conference's post-season tournament.  Anyway, it would be difficult to imagine that Augustana, Carthage and North Central are in the NWLC without the CCIW's blessing.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on April 20, 2013, 01:44:53 am
Schools are free to participate wherever they wish if the CCIW does not sponsor a sport.  Once the CCIW sponsors a sport, I believe members are required to be participants (I can't imagine why any of them would wish otherwise anyway).  There are a limited number of sports that CCIW members are required to participate in; I can't imagine Lacrosse joining that list within a generation, if ever.

I like LAX, but such 'forever' sports as swimming and wrestling have never been in that category.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 20, 2013, 04:57:43 am
Schools are free to participate wherever they wish if the CCIW does not sponsor a sport.  Once the CCIW sponsors a sport, I believe members are required to be participants (I can't imagine why any of them would wish otherwise anyway).  There are a limited number of sports that CCIW members are required to participate in; I can't imagine Lacrosse joining that list within a generation, if ever.

I like LAX, but such 'forever' sports as swimming and wrestling have never been in that category.

I expect the CCIW will leave lacrosse alone.  I see that although North Central doesn't have a men's team yet both Augustana and Carthage do.  They play in a league basically made up of the same schools the women's league includes.  Once the champions of those post season tournaments have an automatic bid to the NCAA's, which will certainly be by next season if not this one, the CCIW won't want to interfere.

It's good to hear you like LAX, Mr.Ypsi.  I'll pass the word along to Amh63.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 20, 2013, 08:37:09 am
Schools are free to participate wherever they wish if the CCIW does not sponsor a sport.  Once the CCIW sponsors a sport, I believe members are required to be participants (I can't imagine why any of them would wish otherwise anyway).  There are a limited number of sports that CCIW members are required to participate in; I can't imagine Lacrosse joining that list within a generation, if ever.

I like LAX, but such 'forever' sports as swimming and wrestling have never been in that category.

I expect the CCIW will leave lacrosse alone.  I see that although North Central doesn't have a men's team yet both Augustana and Carthage do.  They play in a league basically made up of the same schools the women's league includes.  Once the champions of those post season tournaments have an automatic bid to the NCAA's, which will certainly be by next season if not this one, the CCIW won't want to interfere.

It's good to hear you like LAX, Mr.Ypsi.  I'll pass the word along to Amh63.
  A few years ago I might have agreed with you, but with the surge in youth lacrosse participants I could see schools with small numbers in swimming (North Central has six men and fourteen women) could easily drop the sport and add lacrosse. IWU is adding the sport for men and women next season (if I remember a previous post correctly). It might take awhile, but it is coming.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on April 21, 2013, 06:37:34 pm
Midwest Women's Lacrosse Conference update:

Augustana, North Central, Carthage and Concordia-WI have clinched spots in the conference playoffs.

Augie is the top seed, CUW is fourth.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 22, 2013, 08:25:00 am
The Cards are back in action tomorrow against Carthage, after having their game with Dubuque postponed due to the weather.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 25, 2013, 07:50:15 am
Congrats to the five North Central MWLC All-Conference players:
1st team: Danielle Fiala
                Rachael Houp
                Gina Fischer-Defensive player of the year

2nd team: Jacqui Morgan
                 Claire Norfleet
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 26, 2013, 07:30:46 am
It looks like a serious rivalry developing between North Central, Augustana and Carthage.  One goal margins of victory each time two of them face off against each other.  Great win for North Central over Carthage yesterday earning them the right to have to do it all over again in the MWLC semi-finals with an NCAA tourney berth for the team that wins it all.  Congratulations to the Lady Cardinals. 

Middlebury wrapped up it's regular season with a surprisingly easy win over Williams.  Their only loss was to #1 and defending national champion Trinity.  The 2007 season was the first time Trinity had a winning record in NESCAC play, btw.  Five years later they won the D3 national championship.  That's how quickly programs can improve.  They have beaten MIDD the last four times they've played.  13-9, 11-10 and twice 10-9.  I don't mind close games but it's time to win one.



Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 26, 2013, 08:24:16 am
It looks like a serious rivalry developing between North Central, Augustana and Carthage.  One goal margins of victory each time two of them face off against each other.  Great win for North Central over Carthage yesterday earning them the right to have to do it all over again in the MWLC semi-finals with an NCAA tourney berth for the team that wins it all.  Congratulations to the Lady Cardinals. 

Middlebury wrapped up it's regular season with a surprisingly easy win over Williams.  Their only loss was to #1 and defending national champion Trinity.  The 2007 season was the first time Trinity had a winning record in NESCAC play, btw.  Five years later they won the D3 national championship.  That's how quickly programs can improve.  They have beaten MIDD the last four times they've played.  13-9, 11-10 and twice 10-9.  I don't mind close games but it's time to win one.
Especially with North Central's OT  (10-9) victory over Carthage yesterday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: dahlby on April 28, 2013, 11:41:47 am
Redlands will host Chapman for the SCIAC Women's LAX  D-III  auto-bid next Saturday. Redlands won the
2 clashes during the regular conference season.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 28, 2013, 02:55:45 pm
The Cards  play Fontbonne today in the regular  season finale. MWLC tournament action begins Friday in Naperville when North Central hosts Carthage.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 29, 2013, 08:43:52 am
The Cardinals beat Fontbonne 16-0 to finish the 2013 season undefeated at home!.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on May 01, 2013, 04:31:15 pm
May be nothing but Lawrence is planning on renovating their football stadium. The drawings have line for lacrosse on the field.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 02, 2013, 10:43:26 am
May be nothing but Lawrence is planning on renovating their football stadium. The drawings have line for lacrosse on the field.
If they are putting lines for lacrosse, they most likely will add the sport for at least one gender in the near future.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 04, 2013, 08:17:00 am
Congrats to the Cards on advancing to the championship game of the MWLC after defeating Carthage 7-6.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 04, 2013, 10:20:54 pm
Mixed results for Middlebury today.  The women beat Colby 11-10 to advance into tomorrow's NESCAC final against Trinity.  The men were upset by Wesleyan 9-8 and hopefully will get an at-large bid to the NCAA's.  A last second game tying goal was nullified when it was determined that the clock had expired just before the shot was released.  Btw, two of Middlebury's goals were scored by senior Stew Kerr out of Lake Forrest, IL.  He was second on the team in goals scored this season with 28 and along with 6 assists placed fourth on the team with 34 total points.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 05, 2013, 10:05:04 am
Unfortunately, the North Central women lost in the conference championship game, 10-9 to Augie.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 05, 2013, 11:14:55 pm
Middlebury came back from an early 5-0 deficit only to lose to Trinity 8-7 in OT for the NESCAC automatic tournament berth.  The Panthers gain an at-large berth and will host Castleton State on Wednesday. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 06, 2013, 03:26:48 pm
Championship information:
http://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/lacrosse-women_d3_2012.pdf
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 08, 2013, 08:51:59 pm
Opening round men's final:  Aurora 13, Ohio Wesleyan 9
              (Spartans gave themselves breathing room by getting several goals in the 3rd quarter and playing solid D)


Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 09, 2013, 08:11:37 am
Augie's wonen get the Midwest Region double done by coming back from 5 goals down to stun Redlands on the road, 11-10.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 09, 2013, 12:27:57 pm
Augie's wonen get the Midwest Region double done by coming back from 5 goals down to stun Redlands on the road, 11-10.
Augie will now face undefeated Trinity (17-0) on Saturday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 10, 2013, 03:02:28 am
Augie's wonen get the Midwest Region double done by coming back from 5 goals down to stun Redlands on the road, 11-10.
Augie will now face undefeated Trinity (17-0) on Saturday.

Special congratulations to Augustana and Adrian, winners out of the "West" region.  The MIAA  as yet offers Adrian no serious competition at all.  After a tough non-league schedule they won their last eight games by an average score of @ 18-4.  Being able to return to form and beat Kenyon who won a highly competitive 4 team tournament certainly shows their mettle.  And Augustana having to go halfway across the country for their "regional" match up and win it coming from 5 goals back in the final twelve minutes is equally impressive.  Having to then travel 3000 miles for their next game, against the #1 ranked team in the country, will certainly test their sense of humor. 

Augustana's game with Trinity will show how far the Midwestern schools who clearly want to compete at the highest possible level have advanced in the short period of time they have played.  And if they should pull off the upset, (I doubt anyone in the Augie locker room traveled all that way just to lose and say "Thanks for inviting us.") I can think of at least half a dozen schools who would be grateful enough to pay their plane fair home.  (Middlebury included)  ;)  Go Augies!!!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: WLCALUM83 on May 12, 2013, 06:11:58 am
Midwest Lacrosse region-related finals (men and women):

Men:  Cortland State 14, Aurora 8

Women:  Trinity-CT 19, Augustana-IL 2

(IMHO, Both opening round wins raised the bar a bit, however for both conferences)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 12, 2013, 08:16:50 am
Congrats to Augie on a great season.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 13, 2013, 12:27:58 am
Midwest Lacrosse region-related finals (men and women):

Men:  Cortland State 14, Aurora 8

Women:  Trinity-CT 19, Augustana-IL 2

(IMHO, Both opening round wins raised the bar a bit, however for both conferences)

I'm not sure how much any win raises the bar for conferences that presently exist for teams that are simply ahead of their parent conference's recognition of a sport, but the opening round wins certainly raise the bar for the schools' programs.  Aurora losing 14-8 to the #1 men's team is an impressive accomplishment especially at tournament time.  Augustana also lost to the #1 team in the country after traveling @4500 in about a week.  Jet lag, anyone?  ;)   And the Ohio Wesleyan team Aurora beat in the opening round had been ranked at some point during the regular season as well, I believe.  The conference for which  Augustana's performance raises the bar will be the CCIW when it officially recognizes lacrosse.  Augustana, North Central and Carthage will give the that league immediate respectability.  Carthage's goalie btw, Ali Gorman, was ranked 8th in save percentage at .538%.  Only slightly more than ten percent of D3 goalies saved over 50% of shots on goal.  She's a junior.  She'll be back next year. 

And speaking of goalies, women's lacrosse fans who witnessed this weekend's games in Middlebury were able to watch All-American Allie Arnal of #14 Rensselaer put on a show.  RPI stunned #5 Gettysburg who was clearly looking ahead to avenging their lone loss of the season to Middlebury the next day.  A 6-4 halftime lead became a 9-8 defeat and it was all Middlebury could do this afternoon not to become the second upset victim.  I'm glad she's graduating in a few weeks. ;D

Congratulations on a successful season to a large handful of Midwest lacrosse programs who clearly intend to get better.  I just wish that teams in several of the automatic-tournament-bid-winning conferences in the East would do the same. 




Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 13, 2013, 12:55:41 pm
Midwest Lacrosse region-related finals (men and women):

Men:  Cortland State 14, Aurora 8

Women:  Trinity-CT 19, Augustana-IL 2

(IMHO, Both opening round wins raised the bar a bit, however for both conferences)

I'm not sure how much any win raises the bar for conferences that presently exist for teams that are simply ahead of their parent conference's recognition of a sport, but the opening round wins certainly raise the bar for the schools' programs.  Aurora losing 14-8 to the #1 men's team is an impressive accomplishment especially at tournament time.  Augustana also lost to the #1 team in the country after traveling @4500 in about a week.  Jet lag, anyone?  ;)   And the Ohio Wesleyan team Aurora beat in the opening round had been ranked at some point during the regular season as well, I believe.  The conference for which  Augustana's performance raises the bar will be the CCIW when it officially recognizes lacrosse.  Augustana, North Central and Carthage will give the that league immediate respectability.  Carthage's goalie btw, Ali Gorman, was ranked 8th in save percentage at .538%.  Only slightly more than ten percent of D3 goalies saved over 50% of shots on goal.  She's a junior.  She'll be back next year. 

And speaking of goalies, women's lacrosse fans who witnessed this weekend's games in Middlebury were able to watch All-American Allie Arnal of #14 Rensselaer put on a show.  RPI stunned #5 Gettysburg who was clearly looking ahead to avenging their lone loss of the season to Middlebury the next day.  A 6-4 halftime lead became a 9-8 defeat and it was all Middlebury could do this afternoon not to become the second upset victim.  I'm glad she's graduating in a few weeks. ;D

Congratulations on a successful season to a large handful of Midwest lacrosse programs who clearly intend to get better.  I just wish that teams in several of the automatic-tournament-bid-winning conferences in the East would do the same.
They will get better as more high school players decide to stay with the sport in college. I'd say in about five years, you will see a big change in the Midwest, CCIW included.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 16, 2013, 08:08:55 am
The Final Four:
http://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/lacrosse-women_d3_2012.pdf
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 18, 2013, 03:46:44 am
The Final Four:
http://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/lacrosse-women_d3_2012.pdf

I'll be watching the Middlebury-Salisbury game on my computer.  Salisbury is an excellent team.  Middlebury's goalie has been inconsistent.  If she plays as well as she's capable the Panthers have an excellent chance to advance to the championship game. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 18, 2013, 08:47:26 am
Vandy74....will check in a bit on the Panther game against the MD team.   Been watching baseball as Amherst is in the regionals.  LJs beat the no 23 and the no.2 teams but lost last night to the the no 7 team....national rankings.   Hope to catch all the game before the baseball start today at 1pm.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 18, 2013, 12:47:29 pm
Vandy74....will check in a bit on the Panther game against the MD team.   Been watching baseball as Amherst is in the regionals.  LJs beat the no 23 and the no.2 teams but lost last night to the the no 7 team....national rankings.   Hope to catch all the game before the baseball start today at 1pm.
The Final Four:
http://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/lacrosse-women_d3_2012.pdf

I'll be watching the Middlebury-Salisbury game on my computer.  Salisbury is an excellent team.  Middlebury's goalie has been inconsistent.  If she plays as well as she's capable the Panthers have an excellent chance to advance to the championship game.

It was everything one could expect from #2 vs #3 except for the final score if you were rooting for the underdog.  Salisbury over MIddlebury 8-7.  Great play in goal for Salisbury.  12 saves.  Now it's wishing good luck to Trinity against Cortland later this afternoon coached by Kate (Perine) Livesay who starred on two Panther championship teams in her playing days.

Thanks for dropping in Amh63.  Best of luck to the Lord Jeffs on the diamond this afternoon.  Baseball is seldom a post-season sport for Middlebury as you know.  :(
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 18, 2013, 10:53:39 pm
The battle of the unbeatens.  #1 Trinity vs #2 Salisbury tomorrow at noon (EDT)  It ought to be a great game!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 19, 2013, 02:38:31 pm
The battle of the unbeatens.  #1 Trinity vs #2 Salisbury tomorrow at noon (EDT)  It ought to be a great game!
congrats to salisbury on their undefeated championship season!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 19, 2013, 08:39:29 pm
The battle of the unbeatens.  #1 Trinity vs #2 Salisbury tomorrow at noon (EDT)  It ought to be a great game!
congrats to salisbury on their undefeated championship season!

Agreed.  An outstanding performance by a team clearly driven to avenge their loss to Trinity in last year's championship game.  Congratulations to Salisbury on their second national title.  Another stellar effort from goalie Ashton Wheatley, (9 saves) the championship's Most Outstanding Player.  She'll be back for another season.  :'(   Just kidding, of course.  It was a treat watching Wheatley and RPI's Allie Arnal play these last two weekends even if I was basically rooting against them.   ;)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 20, 2013, 08:17:32 am
Now on to the men's championship:
http://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/lacrosse-men_d3_2012.pdf
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 27, 2013, 04:00:42 am
Now on to the men's championship:
http://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/lacrosse-men_d3_2012.pdf

An exciting back and forth game with Stevenson beating RIT 16-14.  Rochester led 13-10 going into the fourth quarter but a 5-0 Stevenson run was the answer.  The first time playing in the championship game for both teams.  Congratulations to Stevenson. 

It's time to expand the brackets from the 32 team format, at least for the men.  Very soon for the women as well, but that's a post for another day.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 27, 2013, 08:35:25 am
Now on to the men's championship:
http://www.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/lacrosse-men_d3_2012.pdf

An exciting back and forth game with Stevenson beating RIT 16-14.  Rochester led 13-10 going into the fourth quarter but a 5-0 Stevenson run was the answer.  The first time playing in the championship game for both teams.  Congratulations to Stevenson. 

It's time to expand the brackets from the 32 team format, at least for the men.  Very soon for the women as well, but that's a post for another day.
The numbers are large enough to support the expansion, especially since it looks like (from the numbers I found) that lacrosse is the fastest growing div 3 sport right now. I doubt, however, the NCAA will move quickly on tournament expansion.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: kate on May 27, 2013, 10:14:39 am
Huge congratulations to Stevenson!!!   Very proud of one of our newer MAC members!!!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 27, 2013, 10:58:41 am
Huge congratulations to Stevenson!!!   Very proud of one of our newer MAC members!!!
Yes, congrats, but I hope to see a Midwest team win it all one day :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 27, 2013, 01:17:43 pm
Duke vs Syracuse on ESPN now. 2-0 Orange
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 27, 2013, 09:53:28 pm
Duke comes back after being down 6-1 to win the mens championship!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 27, 2013, 11:51:44 pm
Duke vs Syracuse on ESPN now. 2-0 Orange

Syracuse.  Alma Mater of 1957 All-American and Lacrosse Hall of Fame member Jim Brown. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 28, 2013, 09:54:08 am
Duke vs Syracuse on ESPN now. 2-0 Orange

Syracuse.  Alma Mater of 1957 All-American and Lacrosse Hall of Fame member Jim Brown.
I stpped watching afterthe score was 4-0, and began grilling. Syracuse seemed to be in control, glad Duke came back strong!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on June 01, 2013, 12:15:05 am
Huge congratulations to Stevenson!!!   Very proud of one of our newer MAC members!!!
Yes, congrats, but I hope to see a Midwest team win it all one day :)

Denison has advanced to the Final Four twice.  I'm at the age when you remember something you used to know more often than you learn something new. ::)  What I really understand about lacrosse I've learned over the last 9-10 years from watching the team my sister-in-law coaches at Middlebury, but I did briefly follow the Midd men's team via some news clippings a friend would send me when I wasn't living in the area.  The Midd men's team won the D3 championship in 2000, 2001 and 2002.  Denison played them in regular season games in 1998, 1999 and 2000.  The team that won the title in 2000 beat Denison 17-9.  A Midd team that would lose in the NCAA quarterfinals in 1998 beat Denison 10-9 and in 1999 Midd won the match-up 11-9.  Both of those teams went to the Final Four that season.  Middlebury lost in the championship game.

Besides pointing out what I used to know :-[, that Denison has played serious men's lacrosse for quite a while (Denison's present lacrosse coach of 19 seasons only ranks 2nd in wins in that sport at the school), what these teams did this season without earning an NCAA tourney bid is evidence that the field must look to expand.  Both teams were ranked during the season.  Denison at least as high as 14th at one point and Middlebury 8th.  Denison was upset by Ohio Wesleyan in the NCAC tourney.  Middlebury was upset by #14 Wesleyan in the NESCAC tourney.  Neither team, both with rich lacrosse heritages, was given an at-large bid.  It would be understandable if every slot was occupied by a competitive team but there were 4-5 games that resulted in ridiculously lopsided scores.  Conference champions who will never get past the first round.  Also, the field was not even 32 teams.  3 teams were given 1st round byes.  And I am just speaking as a Middlebury fan replying to a poster from the Midwest.  You can be sure that there were many other teams who could have gone far into the tourney left out as well.  It's time to expand the tournament field. 

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on June 01, 2013, 08:37:18 pm
Huge congratulations to Stevenson!!!   Very proud of one of our newer MAC members!!!
Yes, congrats, but I hope to see a Midwest team win it all one day :)

Denison has advanced to the Final Four twice.  I'm at the age when you remember something you used to know more often than you learn something new. ::)  What I really understand about lacrosse I've learned over the last 9-10 years from watching the team my sister-in-law coaches at Middlebury, but I did briefly follow the Midd men's team via some news clippings a friend would send me when I wasn't living in the area.  The Midd men's team won the D3 championship in 2000, 2001 and 2002.  Denison played them in regular season games in 1998, 1999 and 2000.  The team that won the title in 2000 beat Denison 17-9.  A Midd team that would lose in the NCAA quarterfinals in 1998 beat Denison 10-9 and in 1999 Midd won the match-up 11-9.  Both of those teams went to the Final Four that season.  Middlebury lost in the championship game.

Besides pointing out what I used to know :-[, that Denison has played serious men's lacrosse for quite a while (Denison's present lacrosse coach of 19 seasons only ranks 2nd in wins in that sport at the school), what these teams did this season without earning an NCAA tourney bid is evidence that the field must look to expand.  Both teams were ranked during the season.  Denison at least as high as 14th at one point and Middlebury 8th.  Denison was upset by Ohio Wesleyan in the NCAC tourney.  Middlebury was upset by #14 Wesleyan in the NESCAC tourney.  Neither team, both with rich lacrosse heritages, was given an at-large bid.  It would be understandable if every slot was occupied by a competitive team but there were 4-5 games that resulted in ridiculously lopsided scores.  Conference champions who will never get past the first round.  Also, the field was not even 32 teams.  3 teams were given 1st round byes.  And I am just speaking as a Middlebury fan replying to a poster from the Midwest.  You can be sure that there were many other teams who could have gone far into the tourney left out as well.  It's time to expand the tournament field.
I completely agree with you on this and say the same thing about football. It is a shame weak teams from weak conferences get an automatic bid,while good teams from tough conferences stay home.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: wally_wabash on June 25, 2013, 04:39:27 pm
Huge congratulations to Stevenson!!!   Very proud of one of our newer MAC members!!!
Yes, congrats, but I hope to see a Midwest team win it all one day :)

Denison has advanced to the Final Four twice.  I'm at the age when you remember something you used to know more often than you learn something new. ::)  What I really understand about lacrosse I've learned over the last 9-10 years from watching the team my sister-in-law coaches at Middlebury, but I did briefly follow the Midd men's team via some news clippings a friend would send me when I wasn't living in the area.  The Midd men's team won the D3 championship in 2000, 2001 and 2002.  Denison played them in regular season games in 1998, 1999 and 2000.  The team that won the title in 2000 beat Denison 17-9.  A Midd team that would lose in the NCAA quarterfinals in 1998 beat Denison 10-9 and in 1999 Midd won the match-up 11-9.  Both of those teams went to the Final Four that season.  Middlebury lost in the championship game.

Besides pointing out what I used to know :-[, that Denison has played serious men's lacrosse for quite a while (Denison's present lacrosse coach of 19 seasons only ranks 2nd in wins in that sport at the school), what these teams did this season without earning an NCAA tourney bid is evidence that the field must look to expand.  Both teams were ranked during the season.  Denison at least as high as 14th at one point and Middlebury 8th.  Denison was upset by Ohio Wesleyan in the NCAC tourney.  Middlebury was upset by #14 Wesleyan in the NESCAC tourney.  Neither team, both with rich lacrosse heritages, was given an at-large bid.  It would be understandable if every slot was occupied by a competitive team but there were 4-5 games that resulted in ridiculously lopsided scores.  Conference champions who will never get past the first round.  Also, the field was not even 32 teams.  3 teams were given 1st round byes.  And I am just speaking as a Middlebury fan replying to a poster from the Midwest.  You can be sure that there were many other teams who could have gone far into the tourney left out as well.  It's time to expand the tournament field.
I completely agree with you on this and say the same thing about football. It is a shame weak teams from weak conferences get an automatic bid,while good teams from tough conferences stay home.

I respectfully disagree with both of you regarding access to the championship tournament.  Always always always remember that the NCAA tournament fields in the team sports are not ever advertised as the best 32 or 29 or 61 or whatever the number of teams involved happens to be.  It's a tournament of champions, rounded out with whatever number of at-large invitations needed to get to whatever number the NCAA decides gets to be involved in that given tournament.  We can bemoan some of the one-sided affairs that happen in the first round of every one of these tournaments, but this is WAY better than having the entire field be determined by the subjectivity whims of a committee.  Everybody who starts a season knows how they can qualify for the championship tournament and everybody has equal access. 

I think the folly here is how conferences award their golden ticket...when the national tournament field is small and there aren't a ton of at-large bids available to act as a safety net, giving your league's bid away to a conference tournament champion puts your league's best team at risk of not getting to play the postseason.  Seems that would have been the case with Denison and Middlebury this year.  This isn't a problem in football because they don't have league tournaments.  It's much less of a problem in basketball because there are a ton of at-large bids.  But lacrosse...there's just not enough slots available to lose your league tournament and feel safe. 

And with that, Wabash has hired their first varsity lacrosse coach and the Little Giants will take the field next spring!  It's going to be a huge challenge for Wabash to get competitive in the NCAC, but one that I think the college and the college community is fully behind.  I like bringing aboard a veteran coach like Terry Corcoran to get the program off and running.  Varsity lacrosse has been a long time coming at Wabash and I'm ecstatic that the time has finally come for the Little Giants to participate in this sport at this level. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on June 25, 2013, 05:33:19 pm
Huge congratulations to Stevenson!!!   Very proud of one of our newer MAC members!!!
Yes, congrats, but I hope to see a Midwest team win it all one day :)

Denison has advanced to the Final Four twice.  I'm at the age when you remember something you used to know more often than you learn something new. ::)  What I really understand about lacrosse I've learned over the last 9-10 years from watching the team my sister-in-law coaches at Middlebury, but I did briefly follow the Midd men's team via some news clippings a friend would send me when I wasn't living in the area.  The Midd men's team won the D3 championship in 2000, 2001 and 2002.  Denison played them in regular season games in 1998, 1999 and 2000.  The team that won the title in 2000 beat Denison 17-9.  A Midd team that would lose in the NCAA quarterfinals in 1998 beat Denison 10-9 and in 1999 Midd won the match-up 11-9.  Both of those teams went to the Final Four that season.  Middlebury lost in the championship game.

Besides pointing out what I used to know :-[, that Denison has played serious men's lacrosse for quite a while (Denison's present lacrosse coach of 19 seasons only ranks 2nd in wins in that sport at the school), what these teams did this season without earning an NCAA tourney bid is evidence that the field must look to expand.  Both teams were ranked during the season.  Denison at least as high as 14th at one point and Middlebury 8th.  Denison was upset by Ohio Wesleyan in the NCAC tourney.  Middlebury was upset by #14 Wesleyan in the NESCAC tourney.  Neither team, both with rich lacrosse heritages, was given an at-large bid.  It would be understandable if every slot was occupied by a competitive team but there were 4-5 games that resulted in ridiculously lopsided scores.  Conference champions who will never get past the first round.  Also, the field was not even 32 teams.  3 teams were given 1st round byes.  And I am just speaking as a Middlebury fan replying to a poster from the Midwest.  You can be sure that there were many other teams who could have gone far into the tourney left out as well.  It's time to expand the tournament field.
I completely agree with you on this and say the same thing about football. It is a shame weak teams from weak conferences get an automatic bid,while good teams from tough conferences stay home.

I respectfully disagree with both of you regarding access to the championship tournament.  Always always always remember that the NCAA tournament fields in the team sports are not ever advertised as the best 32 or 29 or 61 or whatever the number of teams involved happens to be.  It's a tournament of champions, rounded out with whatever number of at-large invitations needed to get to whatever number the NCAA decides gets to be involved in that given tournament.  We can bemoan some of the one-sided affairs that happen in the first round of every one of these tournaments, but this is WAY better than having the entire field be determined by the subjectivity whims of a committee.  Everybody who starts a season knows how they can qualify for the championship tournament and everybody has equal access. 

I think the folly here is how conferences award their golden ticket...when the national tournament field is small and there aren't a ton of at-large bids available to act as a safety net, giving your league's bid away to a conference tournament champion puts your league's best team at risk of not getting to play the postseason.  Seems that would have been the case with Denison and Middlebury this year.  This isn't a problem in football because they don't have league tournaments.  It's much less of a problem in basketball because there are a ton of at-large bids.  But lacrosse...there's just not enough slots available to lose your league tournament and feel safe. 

And with that, Wabash has hired their first varsity lacrosse coach and the Little Giants will take the field next spring!  It's going to be a huge challenge for Wabash to get competitive in the NCAC, but one that I think the college and the college community is fully behind.  I like bringing aboard a veteran coach like Terry Corcoran to get the program off and running.  Varsity lacrosse has been a long time coming at Wabash and I'm ecstatic that the time has finally come for the Little Giants to participate in this sport at this level.
That's one of the best features of these boards! They allow people to express opinions in a respectful manner(well at least most of the time ;D) However, when the NCAA calls the winner of their tournament the National Champion, the teams involved should be the best 32, 64, etc., not just the winner of the conference tournament. (As you have pointed out, the winner of the conference tournament may not be the best team in the conference.) Anyway...Good Luck to Wabash next season.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: pumkinattack on June 30, 2013, 10:25:17 pm
Corcoran is a stud. He's going to perform incredibly well for Wabash.  I honestly think they'll be at least in the 2nd round of the tournament in five years (if not sooner). 

Indiana lacrosse if growing rapidly.  Culver is a great private school there sending kids to Hopkins (Brandon Benn is 1st team attack at Hopkins) and Hobart (Hobart has multiple kids from Culver including Colton Armitage, who was Indiana HS AA and Bud Graham who was Inside Lacrosse top 40 or so ranked out of all HS players) along with Corrigan's kid

I work with a guy who went to DePauw many years ago and his daughter is there now and he was torn in that he was happy to hear that Wabash had a great HC coming in but still hates the school. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on July 01, 2013, 12:34:27 am
Corcoran is a stud. He's going to perform incredibly well for Wabash.  I honestly think they'll be at least in the 2nd round of the tournament in five years (if not sooner). 

Indiana lacrosse if growing rapidly.  Culver is a great private school there sending kids to Hopkins (Brandon Benn is 1st team attack at Hobart) and Hobart (Hobart has multiple kids from Culver including Colton Armitage, who was Indiana HS AA and Bud Graham who was Inside Lacrosse top 40 or so ranked out of all HS players) along with Corrigan's kid

I work with a guy who went to DePauw many years ago and his daughter is there now and he was torn in that he was happy to hear that Wabash had a great HC coming in but still hates the school.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on July 02, 2013, 03:46:11 am
Huge congratulations to Stevenson!!!   Very proud of one of our newer MAC members!!!
Yes, congrats, but I hope to see a Midwest team win it all one day :)

Denison has advanced to the Final Four twice.  I'm at the age when you remember something you used to know more often than you learn something new. ::)  What I really understand about lacrosse I've learned over the last 9-10 years from watching the team my sister-in-law coaches at Middlebury, but I did briefly follow the Midd men's team via some news clippings a friend would send me when I wasn't living in the area.  The Midd men's team won the D3 championship in 2000, 2001 and 2002.  Denison played them in regular season games in 1998, 1999 and 2000.  The team that won the title in 2000 beat Denison 17-9.  A Midd team that would lose in the NCAA quarterfinals in 1998 beat Denison 10-9 and in 1999 Midd won the match-up 11-9.  Both of those teams went to the Final Four that season.  Middlebury lost in the championship game.

Besides pointing out what I used to know :-[, that Denison has played serious men's lacrosse for quite a while (Denison's present lacrosse coach of 19 seasons only ranks 2nd in wins in that sport at the school), what these teams did this season without earning an NCAA tourney bid is evidence that the field must look to expand.  Both teams were ranked during the season.  Denison at least as high as 14th at one point and Middlebury 8th.  Denison was upset by Ohio Wesleyan in the NCAC tourney.  Middlebury was upset by #14 Wesleyan in the NESCAC tourney.  Neither team, both with rich lacrosse heritages, was given an at-large bid.  It would be understandable if every slot was occupied by a competitive team but there were 4-5 games that resulted in ridiculously lopsided scores.  Conference champions who will never get past the first round.  Also, the field was not even 32 teams.  3 teams were given 1st round byes.  And I am just speaking as a Middlebury fan replying to a poster from the Midwest.  You can be sure that there were many other teams who could have gone far into the tourney left out as well.  It's time to expand the tournament field.
I completely agree with you on this and say the same thing about football. It is a shame weak teams from weak conferences get an automatic bid,while good teams from tough conferences stay home.

I respectfully disagree with both of you regarding access to the championship tournament.  Always always always remember that the NCAA tournament fields in the team sports are not ever advertised as the best 32 or 29 or 61 or whatever the number of teams involved happens to be.  It's a tournament of champions, rounded out with whatever number of at-large invitations needed to get to whatever number the NCAA decides gets to be involved in that given tournament.  We can bemoan some of the one-sided affairs that happen in the first round of every one of these tournaments, but this is WAY better than having the entire field be determined by the subjectivity whims of a committee.  Everybody who starts a season knows how they can qualify for the championship tournament and everybody has equal access. 

I think the folly here is how conferences award their golden ticket...when the national tournament field is small and there aren't a ton of at-large bids available to act as a safety net, giving your league's bid away to a conference tournament champion puts your league's best team at risk of not getting to play the postseason.  Seems that would have been the case with Denison and Middlebury this year.  This isn't a problem in football because they don't have league tournaments.  It's much less of a problem in basketball because there are a ton of at-large bids.  But lacrosse...there's just not enough slots available to lose your league tournament and feel safe. 

And with that, Wabash has hired their first varsity lacrosse coach and the Little Giants will take the field next spring!  It's going to be a huge challenge for Wabash to get competitive in the NCAC, but one that I think the college and the college community is fully behind.  I like bringing aboard a veteran coach like Terry Corcoran to get the program off and running.  Varsity lacrosse has been a long time coming at Wabash and I'm ecstatic that the time has finally come for the Little Giants to participate in this sport at this level.

I don't mean to suggest that any conference champion shouldn't be allowed to compete in the NCAA tournament, but I share NCF's frustration that champions from conferences that never improve their level of play are guaranteed a bid when so many very good teams are left out.  I also agree with him that if the winner of the tournament is to be declared the National Champion it should be won against a field of competitors that includes the vast majority of teams capable of doing so.  There ought to be enough at large bids to guarantee such a field.  That is my main concern.  And I like conference tournaments but in the deeper conferences there is always at least one other team just as good as the winner and the format of NCAA tournaments has grown to include as many such teams as possible.   My original post was really the result of discovering that Denison and Middlebury were excluded as part of a decision to make a 32 team field include only 29.  If 32 teams (including Middlebury) had been named to the tournament  I probably wouldn't have thought any more about it, but now I realize  there must be other very good lacrosse teams that don't receive at-large bids each year.  I don't know how many that would be but please note that the 29 teams selected this year did not include at least 5, and I believe 6, that were ranked in the Top 20.  I know 5 Top 20 women's teams were omitted from their tournament.  Imagine that happening in basketball or the football bowl games.  I know basketball has spoiled us and lacrosse is far from being able to supply a field of 64.  It would, however, make more sense to use first round byes as a way to increase the number of worthy competitors rather than decrease it.  A full slate of 32 plus a play-in game in each bracket would increase the field to 40.  I'm sure there are that many teams worthy of the opportunity and the increased exposure that these added games would provide is good business for a rapidly growing collegiate sport.

And yes, it looks like Wabash is taking up lacrosse with serious intent.  Corcoran's credentials are first-rate.  He would be a legitimate candidate for any D3 coaching job in the country.  He would not have taken on the task of building a new program affiliated with the NCAC if he didn't have the school administrators' guarantee that they want/expect him to be successful.  Best of luck to the Little Giants!

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on July 02, 2013, 07:39:04 pm
Huge congratulations to Stevenson!!!   Very proud of one of our newer MAC members!!!
Yes, congrats, but I hope to see a Midwest team win it all one day :)

Denison has advanced to the Final Four twice.  I'm at the age when you remember something you used to know more often than you learn something new. ::)  What I really understand about lacrosse I've learned over the last 9-10 years from watching the team my sister-in-law coaches at Middlebury, but I did briefly follow the Midd men's team via some news clippings a friend would send me when I wasn't living in the area.  The Midd men's team won the D3 championship in 2000, 2001 and 2002.  Denison played them in regular season games in 1998, 1999 and 2000.  The team that won the title in 2000 beat Denison 17-9.  A Midd team that would lose in the NCAA quarterfinals in 1998 beat Denison 10-9 and in 1999 Midd won the match-up 11-9.  Both of those teams went to the Final Four that season.  Middlebury lost in the championship game.

Besides pointing out what I used to know :-[, that Denison has played serious men's lacrosse for quite a while (Denison's present lacrosse coach of 19 seasons only ranks 2nd in wins in that sport at the school), what these teams did this season without earning an NCAA tourney bid is evidence that the field must look to expand.  Both teams were ranked during the season.  Denison at least as high as 14th at one point and Middlebury 8th.  Denison was upset by Ohio Wesleyan in the NCAC tourney.  Middlebury was upset by #14 Wesleyan in the NESCAC tourney.  Neither team, both with rich lacrosse heritages, was given an at-large bid.  It would be understandable if every slot was occupied by a competitive team but there were 4-5 games that resulted in ridiculously lopsided scores.  Conference champions who will never get past the first round.  Also, the field was not even 32 teams.  3 teams were given 1st round byes.  And I am just speaking as a Middlebury fan replying to a poster from the Midwest.  You can be sure that there were many other teams who could have gone far into the tourney left out as well.  It's time to expand the tournament field.
I completely agree with you on this and say the same thing about football. It is a shame weak teams from weak conferences get an automatic bid,while good teams from tough conferences stay home.

I respectfully disagree with both of you regarding access to the championship tournament.  Always always always remember that the NCAA tournament fields in the team sports are not ever advertised as the best 32 or 29 or 61 or whatever the number of teams involved happens to be.  It's a tournament of champions, rounded out with whatever number of at-large invitations needed to get to whatever number the NCAA decides gets to be involved in that given tournament.  We can bemoan some of the one-sided affairs that happen in the first round of every one of these tournaments, but this is WAY better than having the entire field be determined by the subjectivity whims of a committee.  Everybody who starts a season knows how they can qualify for the championship tournament and everybody has equal access. 

I think the folly here is how conferences award their golden ticket...when the national tournament field is small and there aren't a ton of at-large bids available to act as a safety net, giving your league's bid away to a conference tournament champion puts your league's best team at risk of not getting to play the postseason.  Seems that would have been the case with Denison and Middlebury this year.  This isn't a problem in football because they don't have league tournaments.  It's much less of a problem in basketball because there are a ton of at-large bids.  But lacrosse...there's just not enough slots available to lose your league tournament and feel safe. 

And with that, Wabash has hired their first varsity lacrosse coach and the Little Giants will take the field next spring!  It's going to be a huge challenge for Wabash to get competitive in the NCAC, but one that I think the college and the college community is fully behind.  I like bringing aboard a veteran coach like Terry Corcoran to get the program off and running.  Varsity lacrosse has been a long time coming at Wabash and I'm ecstatic that the time has finally come for the Little Giants to participate in this sport at this level.

I don't mean to suggest that any conference champion shouldn't be allowed to compete in the NCAA tournament, but I share NCF's frustration that champions from conferences that never improve their level of play are guaranteed a bid when so many very good teams are left out.  I also agree with him that if the winner of the tournament is to be declared the National Champion it should be won against a field of competitors that includes the vast majority of teams capable of doing so.  There ought to be enough at large bids to guarantee such a field.  That is my main concern.  And I like conference tournaments but in the deeper conferences there is always at least one other team just as good as the winner and the format of NCAA tournaments has grown to include as many such teams as possible.   My original post was really the result of discovering that Denison and Middlebury were excluded as part of a decision to make a 32 team field include only 29.  If 32 teams (including Middlebury) had been named to the tournament  I probably wouldn't have thought any more about it, but now I realize  there must be other very good lacrosse teams that don't receive at-large bids each year.  I don't know how many that would be but please note that the 29 teams selected this year did not include at least 5, and I believe 6, that were ranked in the Top 20.  I know 5 Top 20 women's teams were omitted from their tournament.  Imagine that happening in basketball or the football bowl games.  I know basketball has spoiled us and lacrosse is far from being able to supply a field of 64.  It would, however, make more sense to use first round byes as a way to increase the number of worthy competitors rather than decrease it.  A full slate of 32 plus a play-in game in each bracket would increase the field to 40.  I'm sure there are that many teams worthy of the opportunity and the increased exposure that these added games would provide is good business for a rapidly growing collegiate sport.

And yes, it looks like Wabash is taking up lacrosse with serious intent.  Corcoran's credentials are first-rate.  He would be a legitimate candidate for any D3 coaching job in the country.  He would not have taken on the task of building a new program affiliated with the NCAC if he didn't have the school administrators' guarantee that they want/expect him to be successful.  Best of luck to the Little Giants!
Couldn't agree with you more-and I think in the next five years or so, there just could be enough teams to justify expanding the tournament. :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: cave2bens on August 06, 2013, 11:00:57 pm

Besides pointing out what I used to know :-[, that Denison has played serious men's lacrosse for quite a while 

And yes, it looks like Wabash is taking up lacrosse with serious intent.  Corcoran's credentials are first-rate.  He would be a legitimate candidate for any D3 coaching job in the country.  He would not have taken on the task of building a new program affiliated with the NCAC if he didn't have the school administrators' guarantee that they want/expect him to be successful.  Best of luck to the Little Giants!


It does this old geezer good to see lacrosse regaining popularity in the Great Lakes area.  Defiance is another program re-starting this year after about a thirty-seven year break.  Back in the dark ages (late 60's-early 70s), they had pretty strong sides and along with OWU and Denison often gave Ohio State and Bowling Green fits.

Wittenberg is another up and comer after gaining some strong players from the Columbus area. Next year should be pretty interesting for the NCAC.   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on August 07, 2013, 03:49:07 pm

Besides pointing out what I used to know :-[, that Denison has played serious men's lacrosse for quite a while 

And yes, it looks like Wabash is taking up lacrosse with serious intent.  Corcoran's credentials are first-rate.  He would be a legitimate candidate for any D3 coaching job in the country.  He would not have taken on the task of building a new program affiliated with the NCAC if he didn't have the school administrators' guarantee that they want/expect him to be successful.  Best of luck to the Little Giants!


It does this old geezer good to see lacrosse regaining popularity in the Great Lakes area.  Defiance is another program re-starting this year after about a thirty-seven year break.  Back in the dark ages (late 60's-early 70s), they had pretty strong sides and along with OWU and Denison often gave Ohio State and Bowling Green fits.

Wittenberg is another up and comer after gaining some strong players from the Columbus area. Next year should be pretty interesting for the NCAC.
The first time I can recall seeing lacrosse being played in Illinois was about 10 years ago. Here is an article that talks about the growth of the sport here:
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110317/sports/703179699/
Lacrosse is also listed as an emerging sport by the IHSA (Illinois High School Association).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on August 09, 2013, 12:26:32 am

Besides pointing out what I used to know :-[, that Denison has played serious men's lacrosse for quite a while 

And yes, it looks like Wabash is taking up lacrosse with serious intent.  Corcoran's credentials are first-rate.  He would be a legitimate candidate for any D3 coaching job in the country.  He would not have taken on the task of building a new program affiliated with the NCAC if he didn't have the school administrators' guarantee that they want/expect him to be successful.  Best of luck to the Little Giants!




It does this old geezer good to see lacrosse regaining popularity in the Great Lakes area.  Defiance is another program re-starting this year after about a thirty-seven year break.  Back in the dark ages (late 60's-early 70s), they had pretty strong sides and along with OWU and Denison often gave Ohio State and Bowling Green fits.

Wittenberg is another up and comer after gaining some strong players from the Columbus area. Next year should be pretty interesting for the NCAC.

I don't follow the men's game as closely as I do the women's but I know that Denison along with Ohio Wesleyan are no strangers to the post season tournament.  I've already mentioned Denison's competition with Middlebury during a time when both programs were at their best.  A friend of mine who grew up in Ohio and is a '63 Denison grad told me he considered playing lacrosse after realizing he lacked the size to continue with football so their program is as old as the eastern schools.  Why did Defiance (and others?) stop playing the sport?  I don't know if I've mentioned this before (old geezers forget things, you know) but Lake Forrest, IL's Stew Kerr was 2nd in goals scored and 4th in points overall for Middlebury last season.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on August 09, 2013, 04:10:12 pm
An older article on the possibility of the CCIW sponsoring lacrosse:

http://www.laxmagazine.com/college_men/DIII/2012-13/news/092012_illinois_wesleyan_adding_mens_womens_lacrosse

Here is another link to current information:

http://insidelacrosse.com/headlines/2013/D3?page=1
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on October 02, 2013, 01:01:08 pm
Carroll is adding men's and women's lacrosse for 2014-15 season.

http://gopios.com/news/2013/10/2/mlax_1002130603.aspx
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on October 03, 2013, 10:26:44 am
Here is a list of schools adding lacrosse:

http://www.uslacrosse.org/topnav/newsandmedia/mediainformation/newvarsityprograms.aspx
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on October 07, 2013, 02:24:29 pm
I am surprised to find myself here on this board!  Remember the days when JHU lacrosse players would play football to condition themselves for lacrosse .
Anyway,  here's my take on the " explosion" of lacrosse programs over the country...not just the Midwest.  In my area, in the MD suburbs of Washington, DC there is an exponential growth of public school teams, club teams, etc.....even when there are historic lacrosse areas/teams in nearby Balitmore and in private schools.  The soccer moms are followed by the lacrosse moms and dads now.  The kids in the wealthier "suburbs" that send their kids to private and public colleges around the country look for lacrosse programs as they still do for soccer programs.  In this competative world of college enrollment...as college bound students decrease...schools want to be able to compete...for students; especially for students that need less aid.  Lacrosse is not a cheap sport to play well.  This growth of interest is happening all over.
I may be stating the obvious on this board and to posters that have stated my points earlier. 
As I was surprised to see NCF on the Nescac football board, I also wanted to return the act. :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on October 07, 2013, 03:19:18 pm
I am surprised to find myself here on this board!  Remember the days when JHU lacrosse players would play football to condition themselves for lacrosse .
Anyway,  here's my take on the " explosion" of lacrosse programs over the country...not just the Midwest.  In my area, in the MD suburbs of Washington, DC there is an exponential growth of public school teams, club teams, etc.....even when there are historic lacrosse areas/teams in nearby Balitmore and in private schools.  The soccer moms are followed by the lacrosse moms and dads now.  The kids in the wealthier "suburbs" that send their kids to private and public colleges around the country look for lacrosse programs as they still do for soccer programs.  In this competative world of college enrollment...as college bound students decrease...schools want to be able to compete...for students; especially for students that need less aid.  Lacrosse is not a cheap sport to play well.  This growth of interest is happening all over.
I may be stating the obvious on this board and to posters that have stated my points earlier. 
As I was surprised to see NCF on the Nescac football board, I also wanted to return the act. :)
Remember, I am on the NESCAC boards to follow the sons of  family friends who we met while the boys grew up wrestling in the same youth program. They all then went to the same high school. The funny part (well at least to me) was that all three of them turned out to be Cardinals in college with the same color scheme)-imagine that.
As far as the lacrosse "explosion", just look at the tv commercial for chase bank. Just a few years ago, that probably wouldn't fly.
In the Illinois there were few high schools (mostly affluent) that offered lacrosse. Now, even my son's old high school offers the sport-and I never thought I'd see the day :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on October 11, 2013, 02:25:21 pm
Back again with a tidbit that,IMO , illustrates the growing popularity of lacrosse.
The WSJ has its real estate section, "mansions" on Friday.  A Greenwich CT house was featured and the selling tease item for the house was that it had a lacrosse turf field.....it also had an indoor BB court.  The area is also known to use private lacrosse coaches for the kids....outside of school programs and clubs.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on October 15, 2013, 08:16:08 am
Back again with a tidbit that,IMO , illustrates the growing popularity of lacrosse.
The WSJ has its real estate section, "mansions" on Friday.  A Greenwich CT house was featured and the selling tease item for the house was that it had a lacrosse turf field.....it also had an indoor BB court.  The area is also known to use private lacrosse coaches for the kids....outside of school programs and clubs.

I'd love that indoor basketball court ;D
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on October 27, 2013, 08:54:52 pm
The CCIW has announced that both men's and women's lacrosse will be added beginning with the 2014-15 school years. That came about much quicker than I thought.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 01, 2014, 07:36:04 pm
Is it really that time of year already?  Keep the snow shovels handy. ;D  The NESCAC season opened today.  Middlebury's #3 ranked women's team traveled to Tufts and after taking a 10-2 halftime lead withstood a rally to hold on for a 12-8 victory.   The Panther men, ranked 18th in the preseason evaluation, played #5 ranked Tufts at home suffering the program's worst defeat since taking a 23-3 drubbing at the hands of Harvard way back in 1961.  Today it was 24-6, Tufts.  Ouch!!! 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 02, 2014, 08:36:02 am
Is it really that time of year already?  Keep the snow shovels handy. ;D  The NESCAC season opened today.  Middlebury's #3 ranked women's team traveled to Tufts and after taking a 10-2 halftime lead withstood a rally to hold on for a 12-8 victory.   The Panther men, ranked 18th in the preseason evaluation, played #5 ranked Tufts at home suffering the program's worst defeat since taking a 23-3 drubbing at the hands of Harvard way back in 1961.  Today it was 24-6, Tufts.  Ouch!!!
  Starting games on March 1st? North Central doesn't  play their first game until March 22nd!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 03, 2014, 12:04:29 am
Is it really that time of year already?  Keep the snow shovels handy. ;D  The NESCAC season opened today.  Middlebury's #3 ranked women's team traveled to Tufts and after taking a 10-2 halftime lead withstood a rally to hold on for a 12-8 victory.   The Panther men, ranked 18th in the preseason evaluation, played #5 ranked Tufts at home suffering the program's worst defeat since taking a 23-3 drubbing at the hands of Harvard way back in 1961.  Today it was 24-6, Tufts.  Ouch!!!
  Starting games on March 1st? North Central doesn't  play their first game until March 22nd!

I'm not sure what the story is.  On the school site's athletics link Middlebury archives their seasons back to 1999-2000 when the NESCAC became a playing conference.  Since then they have never played this early and have only played as early as March 7 twice.  The usual starting date is around the 15th but several times they have played their first game a week later than that.  The weather isn't expected to warm up much any time soon and they play again next Saturday at Conn. College.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 03, 2014, 03:31:26 pm
Looks like the Cardinals head out west again for spring break!! They travel to California right after their opening game to take on Whittier-3/24, Occidental-3/25 and Pomona Pitzer-3/27.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Gray Fox on March 03, 2014, 07:36:34 pm
Looks like the Cardinals head out west again for spring break!! They travel to California right after their opening game to take on Whittier-3/24, Occidental-3/25 and Pomona Pitzer-3/27.
Occidental has undefeated so far, including a win over UCLA.

  http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/wlax/2013-14/schedule
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 04, 2014, 01:15:18 am
Looks like the Cardinals head out west again for spring break!! They travel to California right after their opening game to take on Whittier-3/24, Occidental-3/25 and Pomona Pitzer-3/27.
Occidental has undefeated so far, including a win over UCLA.

  http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/wlax/2013-14/schedule

Beating UCLA in any sports certainly looks good on the resumé, but the Bruins only play on the club level.  On their schedule they call it a scrimmage and don't give the score. 20-4, was it.  Occidental's 5 wins certainly look impressive especially including victories over Redlands and Pomona-Pitzer.  I also notice they have a sophomore transfer from NESCAC school Wesleyan on the roster.  Their non-conference schedule coming up is interesting.  Franklin & Marshall also plays Middlebury this season.  North Central, you probably realize is the school NCF is affiliated with, her son being a recent graduate.  Colorado College has made some serious noise in the NCAAs within the last decade although they haven't maintained the program at that high level the last 4-5 years.  Good luck to Occidental this season.  They seem to mean business.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 04, 2014, 07:41:10 am
Looks like the Cardinals head out west again for spring break!! They travel to California right after their opening game to take on Whittier-3/24, Occidental-3/25 and Pomona Pitzer-3/27.
Occidental has undefeated so far, including a win over UCLA.

  http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/wlax/2013-14/schedule

Beating UCLA in any sports certainly looks good on the resumé, but the Bruins only play on the club level.  On their schedule they call it a scrimmage and don't give the score. 20-4, was it.  Occidental's 5 wins certainly look impressive especially including victories over Redlands and Pomona-Pitzer.  I also notice they have a sophomore transfer from NESCAC school Wesleyan on the roster.  Their non-conference schedule coming up is interesting.  Franklin & Marshall also plays Middlebury this season.  North Central, you probably realize is the school NCF is affiliated with, her son being a recent graduate.  Colorado College has made some serious noise in the NCAAs within the last decade although they haven't maintained the program at that high level the last 4-5 years.  Good luck to Occidental this season.  They seem to mean business.

Not to mention the fact that Occidental had their first game on January 25th. By the time they play NC, they will have had two months of competition under their belts!! :o
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 09, 2014, 04:09:37 am
More of the same at Middlebury today.  The women won at Conn. Coll. 12-4 while the men lost to the same school at home 6-3.  That's a second conference loss for the men who were ranked 18th preseason.  Probably not anymore though.  They did beat Plattsburgh an a midweek contest.  I still don't know why lacrosse has begun the season so early.  The usual starting date is still at least a week away.  You could have played hockey on an outdoor pond here today. ::)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 09, 2014, 09:50:45 pm
Looks like the Cardinals head out west again for spring break!! They travel to California right after their opening game to take on Whittier-3/24, Occidental-3/25 and Pomona Pitzer-3/27.
Occidental has undefeated so far, including a win over UCLA.

  http://www.oxyathletics.com/sports/wlax/2013-14/schedule

An interesting inter-sectional match between Occidental and St. Joseph's (ME) on Tuesday.  St. Joe lost to Whittier today 7-6, a team that Occidental handled rather easily earlier this season.  Gray Fox, I hope it is your intention to continue posting on the CSIAC even if it's primarily about the team you root for.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Gray Fox on March 14, 2014, 10:28:54 am

An interesting inter-sectional match between Occidental and St. Joseph's (ME) on Tuesday.  St. Joe lost to Whittier today 7-6, a team that Occidental handled rather easily earlier this season.  Gray Fox, I hope it is your intention to continue posting on the CSIAC even if it's primarily about the team you root for.
I will try from time to time.  Not really a sport I know anything about.  Some posters probably feel I am clueless on other sports as well.  I suspect that having lacrosse is good for overall recruiting.  I know in Dallas the good private high schools all have lacrosse.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 15, 2014, 02:24:16 am

An interesting inter-sectional match between Occidental and St. Joseph's (ME) on Tuesday.  St. Joe lost to Whittier today 7-6, a team that Occidental handled rather easily earlier this season.  Gray Fox, I hope it is your intention to continue posting on the CSIAC even if it's primarily about the team you root for.
I will try from time to time.  Not really a sport I know anything about.  Some posters probably feel I am clueless on other sports as well.  I suspect that having lacrosse is good for overall recruiting.  I know in Dallas the good private high schools all have lacrosse.

Anything you care to post here will be welcome.  Not very many posters on this board.  It's good to hear that the game is drawing some interest in Texas even if only at the private school level.  I was required to learn something about the game since my sister-in-law is the longtime women's coach here at Middlebury.  I assume you have some rooting interest in Occidental since you mentioned their early season success.  They recently went 1-1 against St. Joseph's (ME) and Franklin & Marshall I see.  A solid win over the Maine school and a 19-5 loss to F&M, one of the better D3 programs.  The game with North Central on the 25th should be a good one.   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 15, 2014, 02:56:03 pm

An interesting inter-sectional match between Occidental and St. Joseph's (ME) on Tuesday.  St. Joe lost to Whittier today 7-6, a team that Occidental handled rather easily earlier this season.  Gray Fox, I hope it is your intention to continue posting on the CSIAC even if it's primarily about the team you root for.
I will try from time to time.  Not really a sport I know anything about.  Some posters probably feel I am clueless on other sports as well.  I suspect that having lacrosse is good for overall recruiting.  I know in Dallas the good private high schools all have lacrosse.

That's for sure-just the three of us and a few wayward strays from time to time. :o ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D Don't worry, as the sport grows, so will the participants on the board.

Anything you care to post here will be welcome.  Not very many posters on this board.  It's good to hear that the game is drawing some interest in Texas even if only at the private school level.  I was required to learn something about the game since my sister-in-law is the longtime women's coach here at Middlebury.  I assume you have some rooting interest in Occidental since you mentioned their early season success.  They recently went 1-1 against St. Joseph's (ME) and Franklin & Marshall I see.  A solid win over the Maine school and a 19-5 loss to F&M, one of the better D3 programs.  The game with North Central on the 25th should be a good one.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on March 15, 2014, 06:07:24 pm

An interesting inter-sectional match between Occidental and St. Joseph's (ME) on Tuesday.  St. Joe lost to Whittier today 7-6, a team that Occidental handled rather easily earlier this season.  Gray Fox, I hope it is your intention to continue posting on the CSIAC even if it's primarily about the team you root for.
I will try from time to time.  Not really a sport I know anything about.  Some posters probably feel I am clueless on other sports as well.  I suspect that having lacrosse is good for overall recruiting.  I know in Dallas the good private high schools all have lacrosse.

Anything you care to post here will be welcome.  Not very many posters on this board.  It's good to hear that the game is drawing some interest in Texas even if only at the private school level.  I was required to learn something about the game since my sister-in-law is the longtime women's coach here at Middlebury.  I assume you have some rooting interest in Occidental since you mentioned their early season success.  They recently went 1-1 against St. Joseph's (ME) and Franklin & Marshall I see.  A solid win over the Maine school and a 19-5 loss to F&M, one of the better D3 programs.  The game with North Central on the 25th should be a good one.
That's for sure-just the three of us and a few wayward strays from time to time. :o ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D Don't worry, as the sport grows, so will the participants on the board.
Perhaps if the thread moved to the board with all the other orphan sports. I've always thought it was a little awkward that the lacrosse thread was up here on it's own :-\
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Gray Fox on March 15, 2014, 06:41:38 pm
Perhaps if the thread moved to the board with all the other orphan sports. I've always thought it was a little awkward that the lacrosse thread was up here on it's own :-\
Maybe Pat is thinking of it since it is under "sports we should add boards for". :) ;) :D ;D 8-) :P :-*
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 16, 2014, 11:07:42 pm
Perhaps if the thread moved to the board with all the other orphan sports. I've always thought it was a little awkward that the lacrosse thread was up here on it's own :-\
Maybe Pat is thinking of it since it is under "sports we should add boards for". :) ;) :D ;D 8-) :P :-*

That might be a solution for now.  Although lacrosse is the fastest growing collegiate sport it is only established in the northeast and mid-Atlantic regions.  In time a more nationwide fan base will develop.  Two other problems with the single board format is that that lacrosse has some significantly different rules for men and women.  It is really two different games in some ways and few are huge fans of both.  Also the established sports have conference based boards.  Here I'm NESCAC, NCF is MWLC/CCIW and Gray Fox is CSIAC.  There is no basis for the kind of friendly trash talk between us that keeps the other conference based boards active and entertaining until the post season.  The MWLC begins it's season next weekend.  Augustana, Carthage and North Central return as the top three teams.  They won and lost to each other by single goals when they played.  Next season they will leave the MWLC to form a very competitive nucleus for the CCIW as it becomes a playing conference in the sport.  The NCAC had a similarly close race between four teams to represent the league in post season play.  It would seem that some very good rivalries are being established.  Maybe it will generate some posting here by the fans when play begins.

 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 17, 2014, 11:03:45 am
Perhaps if the thread moved to the board with all the other orphan sports. I've always thought it was a little awkward that the lacrosse thread was up here on it's own :-\
Maybe Pat is thinking of it since it is under "sports we should add boards for". :) ;) :D ;D 8-) :P :-*

That might be a solution for now.  Although lacrosse is the fastest growing collegiate sport it is only established in the northeast and mid-Atlantic regions.  In time a more nationwide fan base will develop.  Two other problems with the single board format is that that lacrosse has some significantly different rules for men and women.  It is really two different games in some ways and few are huge fans of both.  Also the established sports have conference based boards.  Here I'm NESCAC, NCF is MWLC/CCIW and Gray Fox is CSIAC.  There is no basis for the kind of friendly trash talk between us that keeps the other conference based boards active and entertaining until the post season.  The MWLC begins it's season next weekend.  Augustana, Carthage and North Central return as the top three teams.  They won and lost to each other by single goals when they played.  Next season they will leave the MWLC to form a very competitive nucleus for the CCIW as it becomes a playing conference in the sport.  The NCAC had a similarly close race between four teams to represent the league in post season play.  It would seem that some very good rivalries are being established.  Maybe it will generate some posting here by the fans when play begins.

 
Not to mention, that if you don't like football or basketball, for example, you may not ever take a look at the boards in the first place.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: madzillagd on March 18, 2014, 01:23:23 pm
Well apparently I'm now following lacrosse.  Found out through a Facebook picture post that my niece is playing lacrosse for Linfield which was a surprise.  I knew she was my niece, I knew she is a frosh at Linfield, the playing lacrosse part was the surprise.  ;)  She did not play at all in high school but her younger brother (now a sr in hs) has been playing the last 3 years so maybe they figured they found somebody who at least knows how the game is played so she got recruited to join the team.  They haven't won a game in the last 2 years so there's only one way to go.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 19, 2014, 10:44:23 am
It has arrived!!! :) 8-)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 21, 2014, 01:53:44 pm
Well apparently I'm now following lacrosse.  Found out through a Facebook picture post that my niece is playing lacrosse for Linfield which was a surprise.  I knew she was my niece, I knew she is a frosh at Linfield, the playing lacrosse part was the surprise.  ;)  She did not play at all in high school but her younger brother (now a sr in hs) has been playing the last 3 years so maybe they figured they found somebody who at least knows how the game is played so she got recruited to join the team.  They haven't won a game in the last 2 years so there's only one way to go.

Welcome to the club Madzillagd. ;D  Lacrosse is a great game.  My sister-in-law is the longtime women's coach at Middlebury so I sort of had to develop an interest to keep peace in the family.  I worked the time clock at her home games for a few years.  A niece I helped to raise for 8 years played in high school and is headed to Amherst in the fall but I don't think she is good enough to play at that level.  The men's game is more physical than the women's game.  I prefer watching the women play.  Much more athleticism and finesse is required.  With the exception of swimmers I expect the women LAX are the best conditioned athletes on campus.  Middlebury hosts Bowdoin in about an hour.  Gotta go! ;D
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 24, 2014, 08:10:14 am
Well, the Cardinals, opened their season with a 16-8 victory over Beloit. Now it's a spring trip break out to the west coast.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 24, 2014, 08:06:42 pm
Vandy 74....I enjoy women lacrosse over the men's version.  The men's version is getting rough again, IMO.  It was rough in my days when most of the players were also football players and mainly preppies that learned the game in schools like Deerfield, Andover, Etc.   Been following the women's version since the late 90's...when a work related friend....a Johns Hopkins grad...where the sport is really serious :) would go watch games at Hopkins.  Went to a number of Amherst women's games in the post season...in Baltimore, in New Jersey and at the shore near Ocean City...within a couple of hours driving time.  Of course, there was always the hurdle to get by Middlebury  for a Title. :)

With the growth of the sport around the country, there is talent galore to spread around...and the rise of the skill level in D3 is amazing.  For Amherst, many great players come from the Baltimore region and slowly from the region around Washington.  I know you are aware of all I have mentioned.  Amherst's men's team has 50 players!  Good grief!  I have a old style lacrosse stick in my office...wood and cat gut... also have a bamboo fly fishing rod hanging around....both gathering dust since I have no skill in either sports.....a collector vice a player.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 26, 2014, 12:38:10 pm
The North Central women have now dropped two out west. Whittier won 10-12 on Monday, while Occidental scored a 14-9 victory yesterday. The Cardinals play Pomona-Pitzer on Thursday before traveling to Linfield for a game on Saturday before returning home.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 27, 2014, 01:45:05 pm
The North Central women have now dropped two out west. Whittier won 10-12 on Monday, while Occidental scored a 14-9 victory yesterday. The Cardinals play Pomona-Pitzer on Thursday before traveling to Linfield for a game on Saturday before returning home.

The Cardinals would have handled Whittier (rather easily I expect) if it hadn't been just their 2nd game of the season and 1st of a long trip West.  Occidental and Pomona-Pitzer are another matter.  P-P beat Carthage yesterday 18-7 (I think).  The best of the new kids on the block in the Midwest playing against the best of the more established West Coast programs.  Augustana beat Redlands in the NCAA last season remember.  Good competition to be expected here.

Amh63...good to see you here again.  Several things to respond to but need to do a bit of research first.  I'm up to my neck in fantasy baseball draft day prep at the moment but will get on it asap.  Middlebury women at Amherst on Saturday is see.  Both 3-0 in the NESCAC with similar victories over Bowdoin and both undefeated although the Panthers have to play at Franklin & Marshall tonight.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on March 27, 2014, 06:36:19 pm
Vandy and amh63.

So this is where you guys disappear to. Vandy, I remember this winter you mentioned the lacrosse boards and now I understand your involvement with the Midd coach being a family member. I kind of follow the Middlebury women as they usually give the results of their games here on my local tv channel 5. I knew they had a long history of doing well in the NCAA's, now I know why. 33 years as the head coach for Missy Foote....WOW. And win #400 just the other day..double WOW. You and your brother must be proud. 8-)

amh63...I saw your post on the SUNYAC hoops board and that is what led me over here. Also saw your karma was +287. That was the same number as mine so I had to give you +k so you could say you're one up on me. :D I gave you one as well Vandy so you needn't feel left out. ;D

I grew up in Carthage New York. One of my good friends when I was 14 through 21 years old was a guy my age named Larry Powell. This was back in the 1960's and lacrosse was not a sport that was played at the local high school. I went away to college and settled in Plattsburgh in the 70's and lacrosse still wasn't a sport played by any of the local schools in this area. (still isn't). My buddy Larry Powell stayed in Carthage, got married and started to raise a family. Fast forward to the mid 90's and here's the result of the family Larry started back in the 70's.

http://cuse.com/news/2006/10/27/powells.aspx#.UzR9ImeYZjo

From what I gather he produced 3 of the greatest Lacrosse players that have ever played the game.
The three in the picture from left to right are Casey, Ryan and Mikey. Casey looks just like his father.
The brothers all went on to have great careers in the MLL and win numerous awards in the pros.
 
I know there is a 4th brother named Mason who was born in 1994 and was supposed to play lacrosse at Cortland State last year but I don't believe he did. Not sure where he ended up. He was also a goalie on his high school hockey team that won a state championship, so maybe he went that route instead.

I suppose I'll have to lurk here now that I know Vandy  and amh63 are hanging out here. I won't have much to contribute but I'll at least learn a few things I'm sure. Hope I didn't bore you with my little story of the Powells.       
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 27, 2014, 10:21:08 pm
I've never known you to be boring magicman.  Thanks for the Syracuse Lacrosse history lesson.  I'm sure that neither the Powell nor the Gait brothers will mind me giving mention of another Syracuse Lax All-American by the name of Jim Brown.  1956_43 goals in 10 games_to rank # 2 that year.  Here are a few YouTube clips that should keep everyone concerned happy.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujltXvkQK_g
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHcnPAhXWY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYemQAiEY74

Back to women's action Middlebury defeated #4 Franklin & Marshall 14-5 tonight to go 7-0 on the season.  Next stop is Amherst on Saturday.  Are you ready amh63?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 27, 2014, 10:40:41 pm
I've never known you to be boring magicman.  Thanks for the Syracuse Lacrosse history lesson.  I'm sure that neither the Powell nor the Gait brothers will mind me giving mention of another Syracuse Lax All-American by the name of Jim Brown.  1956_43 goals in 10 games_to rank # 2 that year.  Here are a few YouTube clips that should keep everyone concerned happy.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujltXvkQK_g
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHcnPAhXWY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYemQAiEY74

Back to women's action Middlebury defeated #4 Franklin & Marshall 14-5 tonight to go 7-0 on the season.  Next stop is Amherst on Saturday.  Are you ready amh63?
  Congrats on your 200th post!!! And for bringing new blood to the lax board. :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on March 28, 2014, 02:03:12 am
Vandy,

Living a scant 65 miles from Syracuse and following the Orangemen through football season after football season growing up, I was well aware of Jim Brown's All American lacrosse career as well as his storied football legacy. I just figured one Syracuse story was enough for the time being. ;D But glad you posted what you did...it brings back some good memories.

If my memory serves me correctly, I think there was talk that Jim Brown could have been an All American in a 3rd sport, Track and Field, if he had decided to do so. 8-) 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: madzillagd on March 28, 2014, 10:33:39 am
Well the Linfield women picked up their first win in two years beating Aurora yesterday. Fun to see the niece out there and sure glad I was watching online instead of freezing on the sidelines. Nice way to start the trip in Illinois so they can enjoy themselves the next couple of days as they likely go back to getting pummeled.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 28, 2014, 10:47:25 am
Vandy....am I ready?   Had to do some homework...to support my mouth.  With all the battles between our schools in '01, '02, '03 for the National titles...not really to be truthful.  I attended those games in Baltimore, Glassboro, NJ, and Gettysburg.  Middlebury won 2 out of three.
Looked over the rosters....seems the Panthers' star is the only one from MD in both rosters...see a high number of players from NJ these days.  Interesting...good state for both basketball and lacrosse players.
The game on Sat. Is on webcast at Amherst....will you be coming down with the team?  If so, wave and I will look for it.  The men's game is up in VT.    Should be a good game.  The Amherst star seems to be the tall player with the name starting with Z...she was a star on the field hockey squad...has quite a motor :)

The story wrt to Jim Brown...one at least among many....is that he was a better stick player than a football player and that he liked lacrosse better.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 28, 2014, 12:48:08 pm
Well the Linfield women picked up their first win in two years beating Aurora yesterday. Fun to see the niece out there and sure glad I was watching online instead of freezing on the sidelines. Nice way to start the trip in Illinois so they can enjoy themselves the next couple of days as they likely go back to getting pummeled.

Congratulations to Linfield on snapping the losing streak.  They have a good shot this afternoon against Benedictine as well, IMO.  Agreed on the wisdom of watching online rather than in person. ::) ;D
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 28, 2014, 02:05:53 pm
Vandy....am I ready?   Had to do some homework...to support my mouth.  With all the battles between our schools in '01, '02, '03 for the National titles...not really to be truthful.  I attended those games in Baltimore, Glassboro, NJ, and Gettysburg.  Middlebury won 2 out of three.
Looked over the rosters....seems the Panthers' star is the only one from MD in both rosters...see a high number of players from NJ these days.  Interesting...good state for both basketball and lacrosse players.
The game on Sat. Is on webcast at Amherst....will you be coming down with the team?  If so, wave and I will look for it.  The men's game is up in VT.    Should be a good game.  The Amherst star seems to be the tall player with the name starting with Z...she was a star on the field hockey squad...has quite a motor :)

The story wrt to Jim Brown...one at least among many....is that he was a better stick player than a football player and that he liked lacrosse better.

amh63.....I will be joining you watching Saturday's game online.  Actually I'm not sure the team is coming home to VT before the game, it being possibly the last leg of their Spring Break trip.  Midd over Amherst in 1999 and 2001.  Amherst beats Middlebury in 2003.  Let's do it again this year.  Like I said before I have several things to tell you via PM rather than post and in a day or so will have time to do that properly.  That said, you might be interested in knowing that one of the better developing women's lax programs in the Midwest is Concordia (Wis) which has been built from scratch over the last three years by HC Emily Mason who captained both the women's lax and ice hockey teams at Connecticut College and whose mom is long time (29 years) women's lax HC at Williams, Christine Mason.

And yes, someone told me long ago that lacrosse was Jim Brown's favorite sport.  I wasn't telling magicman anything he didn't already know.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 28, 2014, 03:04:52 pm
Ouch! The Cardinals go 0-fer on their west coast trip, dropping a 13-8 decision to Pomona-Pitzer yesterday. Hopefully, they can salvage their spring break trip with a victory over Linfield tomorrow. :P
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 28, 2014, 05:16:30 pm
Vandy....thanks for jogging my memory on the 1999 title lost to the panthers at JHU.  Remember that I had gone there several times.  The 2001 loss to your Panthers in the Title game was in OT by 1 goal!  Somewhere in that period of title battles, I remember a fine Amherst player that was from a HS next to Middlebury.  Another was a transfer from Goucher College...the college that Dave of Hoopsville is from...and broadcasted out of for a time.   Will come back with the VT player....remember that her father may have worked at Middlebury...maybe you may know the family.

Back...the VT player was from Cornwall...from a HS...called Middlebury Union.  The player was Alison Aldrich, Amherst '04.  Liz Martin was the Baltimore transfer and also graduated in '04.
I remember, because she would fly down the field...outrunning the defenders, with her ponytail trailing...a 5'10" player.  Her classmate Liz was a very skilled player around the net and a great scorer.
The days before the goggles and pads.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: madzillagd on March 28, 2014, 06:24:25 pm
Woohoo! Fun one with Linfield pulling out the victory with a goal with 10 secs left.  Benedictine led by a couple for most of the 1st half and about 10 mins into the 2nd half.  Linfield finally tied it up 10-10 at the 18:54 mark but Benedictine grabbed the lead again less than a minute later.  Linfield grabbed their first lead of the game at the 15:00 mark and held that lead up until 1:06 to go when Benedictine tied it up 14-14. 

For the final scoring play Benedictine actually had the ball in front of the Linfield goal but an offensive penalty was called with 22 seconds left.  Linfield had a open field in front of them, cleared it - couple of nice passes and clean catches got them down the field in a hurry, Shelby Duarte got the game winner with 10 seconds left; her 7th goal of the game. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 29, 2014, 10:09:39 am
Need to clarify some info prior to the match between the two undefeated teams today.
The all-American on the Amherst lacrosse team is Philie...2nd team last season.  The fine player, also  a senior, is Zsitvay.   It seems to be raining today in Amherst....hey, it is a turf field.  Wonder if the women's game will be played on the newer football turf field used by the men for this big match up.
What field is used up in Panther  land?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 29, 2014, 12:09:37 pm
Need to clarify some info prior to the match between the two undefeated teams today.
The all-American on the Amherst lacrosse team is Philie...2nd team last season.  The fine player, also  a senior, is Zsitvay.   It seems to be raining today in Amherst....hey, it is a turf field.  Wonder if the women's game will be played on the newer football turf field used by the men for this big match up.
What field is used up in Panther  land?

I'm just about to go over to the Amherst site.  The Midd men play on the football field.  The women have their own field.  It's some kind of springy turf.  It must be great playing on.  It puts a spring in your step that makes you (and me ;)) feel like we're 20 years old again.  On to the game
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 29, 2014, 12:12:26 pm
Btw, amh63....Katie  and Chrissy Ritter are the daughters of MC football HC Bob Ritter.  A junior and a sophomore.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 29, 2014, 12:23:52 pm
I'm only getting live stats but that might be all I can take.  Amherst up 5-0 midway through the 1st half.  Ouch. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 29, 2014, 12:52:44 pm
Amherst 7 Midd 5 at the half.  Amherst is winning the battle of draw controls.  The Panthers have been a stronger team in the second half all season long.  Hope that will be the case today.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 29, 2014, 01:52:22 pm
Amherst 11 Middlebury 10.  What a barn-burner.  Congratulations to the winners who we will likely see at least one more time if not two before this whole thing is resolved.  The snow might even be gone by then. ::) ::) :P
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 29, 2014, 02:30:23 pm
Vandy....see that the video feed was out....wonder if it was because the game was moved to the football field where there is the springy turf and cover for the electronics.  Yep, the live stats said the contest was at Pratt field.....somebody forgot to adjust the feed is my guess.  Attendance shows 374 people...how do they count them?
The Panthers has one great scorer with a last name starting with S...will not butcher the spelling.  5 shots...5 goals!  Wow!   Middlebury won the 2nd half.  Was it because the star got two yellow cards?

Interesting afternoon...went to check on the softball game against Wesleyan...delayed video feed until after the women lacrosse game against Colby down in Middletown.  Decided to watch , to get my eyes adjusted to watching women lacrosse again.  Both teams appear to have skill levels not up to Middlebury  and Amherst.  Lots of TOs and choppy play due to way too many stoppage due to fouls and errors....like too many players on the field.

Several interesting notes.....the Cardinals wins are against opponents not in Nescac.  Losses to date are against conference teams.  First year HC is named Belichick...daughter of Patriots' HFC..who is also a WES grad and former player.  She has an assist coach that did all the talking to the team at halftime.

Middlebury player has the same last name as the HFC at Bowdoin.  Any relationship to the football Caputi's?

Just checked the official box...Sciarretta...think I got it right...had 4 goals, not  5 and she had one yellow card.  The attendance was 372...not 374....who really knows :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 29, 2014, 06:30:24 pm
Vandy....see that the video feed was out....wonder if it was because the game was moved to the football field where there is the springy turf and cover for the electronics.  Yep, the live stats said the contest was a Pratt field.....somebody forgot to adjust the feed is my guess.  Attendance shows 374 people...how do they count them?
The Panthers has one great scorer with a last name starting with S...will not butcher the spelling.  5 shots...5 goals!  Wow!   Middlebury won the 2nd half.  Was it because the star got two yellow cards?

Interesting afternoon...went to check in the softball game against Wesleyan...delayed video feed until after the women lacrosse game against Colby down in Middletown.  Decided to watch , to get my eyes adjusted to watching women lacrosse again.  Both teams appear to have skill levels not up to Middlebury  and Amherst.  Lots of TOs and choppy play due to way too many stoppage due to fouls and errors....like too many players on the field.

Several interesting notes.....the Cardinals wins are against opponents not in Nescac.  Losses to date are against conference teams.  First year HC is named Belichick...daughter of Patriots' HFC..who is also a WES grad and former player.  She has an assist coach that did all the talking to the team at halftime.

Middlebury player has the same last name as the HFC at Bowdoin.  Any relationship to the football Caputi's?

Just checked the official box...Sciarretta...think I got it right...had 4 goals, not  5 and she had one yellow card.  The attendance was 372...not 374....who really knows :)

Amh63.....several comments to make as well as some info per your previous queries but it will have to wait as my evening just got complicated.  I didn't see Katie Ritter's name in the box score.  If she didn't play I wonder why not. A difference maker.  A good friend whose daughter plays at Wellesley attended their game with Wesleyan and said Coach Belichick was in attendance. Very cool.

More later....
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 31, 2014, 07:51:03 am
The Cardinals ended the non-conference portion of their season with a 15-5 victory over Linfield. They open conference play tomorrow at Aurora.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 02, 2014, 08:23:16 pm
Amherst had a good day today with wins over Wesleyan in both men and women games.
The women's game at home in the lower lacrosse field started off with 4 quick goals by the LJs...much like the the game with the Panthers.  Amherst held off the Cardinals 8 to 4 and remain unbeaten.
The men's match in Middletown started off badly with Amherst 4-0 with only a minute to go in the half?  Amherst scores a goal to make it 4-1.  Amherst starts off the 2 half strong with 5 straight goals to take a 6-4 lead.  The game ends with Amherst leading 14-10...with 30 secs to go  when the video went off.  Better ending than the game against Middlebury which ended 8-7 in the Panther's favor.
The Amherst little 3 game this season ended better than last season.  Both teams will meet Williams this weekend, I believe.  Williams is playing their home games in North Adams at The Mass. College of Liberal Arts....since the Ephs' fields are being rebuilt....a 20 million dollar renovation!

Noticed that in the Women's game, the players goggles and shoes varied greatly.  Personal choices?
Understand wrt to the eye protection thing...but the shoes?   The pics from the
Middlebury  game...available on the Amherst website shows the different style of eye wear and footwear.  Noticed the Panther fans travel with their dogs...in the stands...nice :).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 03, 2014, 02:11:51 am
Vandy....see that the video feed was out....wonder if it was because the game was moved to the football field where there is the springy turf and cover for the electronics.  Yep, the live stats said the contest was at Pratt field.....somebody forgot to adjust the feed is my guess.  Attendance shows 374 people...how do they count them?
The Panthers has one great scorer with a last name starting with S...will not butcher the spelling.  5 shots...5 goals!  Wow!   Middlebury won the 2nd half.  Was it because the star got two yellow cards?

Interesting afternoon...went to check on the softball game against Wesleyan...delayed video feed until after the women lacrosse game against Colby down in Middletown.  Decided to watch , to get my eyes adjusted to watching women lacrosse again.  Both teams appear to have skill levels not up to Middlebury  and Amherst.  Lots of TOs and choppy play due to way too many stoppage due to fouls and errors....like too many players on the field.

Several interesting notes.....the Cardinals wins are against opponents not in Nescac.  Losses to date are against conference teams.  First year HC is named Belichick...daughter of Patriots' HFC..who is also a WES grad and former player.  She has an assist coach that did all the talking to the team at halftime.

Middlebury player has the same last name as the HFC at Bowdoin.  Any relationship to the football Caputi's?

Just checked the official box...Sciarretta...think I got it right...had 4 goals, not  5 and she had one yellow card.  The attendance was 372...not 374....who really knows :)

Amh63.....A few answers to your questions.  Allison Aldrich does have a father who coached at Middlebury.  I know him although I didn't meet him until a year or two after his daughter played at Amherst.  He retired from coaching in 2010 and his women's cross-country teams won 5 DIII National Championships.  I watched today's game against Hamilton with him.  Allison (DiNardo) is now the head coach at Deerfield Academy.  I haven't had a chance to ask anyone in the know yet but since the Bowdoin Football site says that Coach Caputi has a daughter named Marguerite I would venture to guess that the Maggie Caputi on the Middlebury roster is his daughter.  Add Katie and Chrissy Ritter along with Katie Mandigo (father is MC women's Ice Hockey HC) that makes 4 coaches' daughters on the roster.  A recipe for success I would think.

Congratulations to Amherst moving up to #3 in the women's rankings following their win over the Panthers.  Grrrrr. ;)  In Middlebury's 11-8 victory over Hamilton this afternoon Alli Sciaretta only tallied an assist.  The scoring came from Laurel Pascal (4 goals on 6 shots and an assist), Bridget Instrum and Mary O'Connell, each with 3 goals and an assist and Chrissy Ritter scoring the remaining tally.  Sciaretta, Instrum and Pascal are sophomores.  O'Connell is a freshman.

Btw, someone at the game this afternoon said he was able to watch a vid-stream of the Amherst-Midd game.  He said it came on about 10 minutes into the contest.  I guess by that time I'd given up trying to find it.  Just as well.  I'm no more capable of sitting still watching a computer feed of our teams play each other in lacrosse than I am watching them play basketball.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 03, 2014, 11:28:02 am
Vandy...thanks for the info and response to my inquires.   I figured out that Caputi's connection since her hometown is in Maine...though she went to HS in NHamp. 
Do not follow the rankings...since they are a stress factor for me ....an unnecessary one.  Lacrosse games can change so quickly, IMO....due to a TO or a foul....like in BB.
Speaking of basketball ...your Cuz...wants me to get you to increase your post on the BB board.

Correction...Amherst's men will meet Williams late in the season...not soon.

Allison's married name ..Di Nardo ...sounds familiar...has a Nescac connection somewhere.  football player?...Amherst classmate?  Another thing to keep me busy.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 06, 2014, 02:18:26 am
Middlebury made it exciting again this afternoon, down 5-2 at the half against Bates but winning the second stanza 5-1.  Colby hung with Amherst well into the second half but the Jeffs look like the team to beat in the NESCAC.  Trinity, upset by Bates earlier in the season is still possibly the best of the bunch.  Tough conference.

I know there isn't a lot of chatter on this board but are there any Augustana fans out there?  The undefeated women's team beat a very good Denison team this afternoon.  In only the program's 4th season they are ranked in the top 25% of all teams playing at the D3 level nationally.  Last year representing the MWLC in the NCAA tournament they flew to CA for a Wednesday game, beating Redlands, and then flew to Hartford CN to play Trinity on Saturday.  Trinity went on to lose to Salisbury in the championship game.  Along with North Central and Carthage (who in three games lost to Augustana by single goal margins) they will form a solid nucleus for the CCIW when the conference recognizes lacrosse in 2014-15. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 06, 2014, 09:44:04 am
Amherst's win over Colby was their first in a decade....according to thr Amherst writeup.   Watched a bit of the game online....noticed the mounds of snow around.  Home team white uniforms provide a little advantage? :)
Amherst's men's team is also winning again....new assistant coaches added.  Saw that Pratt field has added fences around it to protect the people watching from the high velocity shots....interesting.
While watching some Div 1 games, there was a mention of some changes in the rules.  Anyone to elaborate?
Vandy....see you are continuing to be a night owl...or is that day owl...based on the time?
All in all...it is going to be an interesting season in the Nescac...along with the Spring weather.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 07, 2014, 02:12:31 am
Amherst's win over Colby was their first in a decade....according to thr Amherst writeup.   Watched a bit of the game online....noticed the mounds of snow around.  Home team white uniforms provide a little advantage? :)
Amherst's men's team is also winning again....new assistant coaches added.  Saw that Pratt field has added fences around it to protect the people watching from the high velocity shots....interesting.
While watching some Div 1 games, there was a mention of some changes in the rules.  Anyone to elaborate?
Vandy....see you are continuing to be a night owl...or is that day owl...based on the time?
All in all...it is going to be an interesting season in the Nescac...along with the Spring weather.


Amh63....I thought I posted this hours ago.  Must have been distracted.  Here's a link to an explanation of the new rules.  I believe they only apply to the men.

www.hgrlacrosse.com/new-college-lacrosse-rules

The Amherst women's losing streak against Colby was 10 games, not 10 years.  Amherst had last won in 2006 but lost three times to the Mules in the conference post season tourney as well as the regular season game.  Colby women's lax is a strong program as NESCAC fans like ourselves are well aware.  They compiled a 99-31 record over that 7 year span beating several very good Amherst teams in the process.

Considering the wisdom of maintaining my recent sleep schedule I don't think an owl is the appropriate comparative reference.  But whooooo knows? ;)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 07, 2014, 10:53:55 am
Thanks Vandy for the correction and info.  Interesting item on the Stringing rule change.  Others seem more like rules to make the game like ice hockey...to me.  In the Nescac, it seems the men's game is getting to be more high scoring affairs...with the women's game not far behind.
Will be interested to hear your HLC family member opinion on the skill level of today's players compared to say 10-15 years ago...recruiting wise.    Pointed out that the Skirt uniform is gone...to my wife who remembers them.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: madzillagd on April 09, 2014, 10:30:47 am
Well it was fun while it lasted. Niece is meeting with a surgeon to look at her thumb which she injured a couple weeks ago so the lacrosse season is over a few games early. Ironically, her brother also broke his hand playing this week and he's meeting with a surgeon as well. I may have to suggest they find a different sport.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 09, 2014, 03:17:17 pm
Well it was fun while it lasted. Niece is meeting with a surgeon to look at her thumb which she injured a couple weeks ago so the lacrosse season is over a few games early. Ironically, her brother also broke his hand playing this week and he's meeting with a surgeon as well. I may have to suggest they find a different sport.

That's a shame.  I hope it doesn't dampen her enthusiasm for the game.  Too bad about your nephew as well but since the men's game is legitimately a contact sport his injury is less surprising.  You never said but did your niece play in h.s. or simply know how to play from her brother's experience.  I knew ABSOLUTELY nothing about the sport 10 years ago.  Now it is second only to basketball on my list of favorite sports to watch.  Good luck to both young people in their future athletic endeavors.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: madzillagd on April 09, 2014, 06:19:55 pm
Vandy - She did not play in hs.  They put out an open call for players and she always enjoyed watching her brother so she decided to join.   Nephew hasn't decided on where he is going to school yet.  He's leaning toward a couple CA schools (including my alma mater CLU) but neither have programs.  However, a few NWC schools are still in the running and wouldn't be surprised if he decided to play if he stays up north. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 11, 2014, 02:09:18 am
Middlebury lost to Cortland State 12-10 this afternoon in a battle that was everything #5 vs #2 should be.  Middlebury was without their captain and star defensive player Hannah Deoul who suffered an injury in practice during the week.  Her replacement Allie Hooley was doing a fine job until she also went down in the 2nd half.  Her injury looked serious.  I don't know what Deoul's injury status is.  No excuses though.  Cortland is one of the best teams I've seen in quite a while.  Great team speed.  Tenacious defense and aggressive all over the field and some great play in goal.  Hopefully a post season rematch can be arranged.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 11, 2014, 02:36:37 am
I finally remembered to watch a lacrosse game on the computer that didn't involve Middlebury.  Unfortunately it was the same night as the UConn-Notre Dame women's basketball championship game so I only saw the first half of North Central-Carthage.  That too was everything to be expected with NC coming out on top 17-16.  I thought the Cardinals had taken control with an 11-6 halftime lead but Carthage came back strong.  I wish I had seen it.  Two very potent and balanced offensive attacks.  Neither team as strong defensively it seems as last year's squads.  It looks like once again it will come down to a real battle between these two along with Augustana and an improved Concordia-(Wis) to claim the MWLC NCAA bid.  Next season the CCIW begins sponsoring lacrosse with three very strong programs as a nucleus.  It's very impressive the level of play these teams have developed in such a short time.  It shouldn't be long before they will be able to compete with anybody.  Possibly by the time this year's freshmen are seniors.     
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 12, 2014, 03:22:15 pm
Senior day game played on Pratt field...Amherst versus Tufts.  after a tough first half that Amherst finally took a lead 8-6 at the half...Amherst wins its 11th game...15-9.  It is Amherst best start since 2000, when they won 10 straight.

Meanwhile the men's' team is getting bombed in Melford..20-9 when I changed sports online. Tufts seem to be the team to beat this year.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 12, 2014, 07:57:54 pm
Tough loss to Trinity for the Panthers this afternoon.  Middlebury went down by the same 10-9 score they loss to the Bantams one day shy of a year ago.  In fact, Middlebury has lost 8 straight to Trinity winning last in the 2009 season. (Shades of Amherst-Colby)  6 of those losses have been by a single goal.  I watched the game today with the father of the Trinity HC who is a high school classmate and lifelong friend, as is the mother.  She is also a Midd alum and they admit to having mixed feelings watching these contests regardless of who wins.  Amh63, I've mentioned before that Trinity's coach played on Middlebury's 2001 and 2002 national champions.  It was the Panther squad her senior year that lost the title game to Amherst 11-9.  That loss ended a 51 consecutive game winning streak.  Nobody in the family feels badly when the Lady Jeffs lose. ;D ;)

The Middlebury men defeated their Trinity counterparts 15-4 improving their NESCAC record to 5-3 after an 0-3 start.  Amh63 I believe that Tufts has been the team to beat in the conference for several years.  They trounced the Panthers in the season opener 24-6.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 12, 2014, 09:20:29 pm
For any fans of D3 women's lax out there or even the curious (who for some strange reason happen to read this board) here is a list of some of the best games coming up.  All times listed are local.  The school site where the video feed link can be found is listed first.

North Central:  April 15, vs. Concordia (Wis.) 7:00 p.m.
                      April 22, vs. Augustana  7:00 p.m.

Wittenberg:  April 18, vs. Denison  7:00 p.m.
                  April 27, vs. Carthage  1:00 p.m.

Pomona-Pitzer  April 19, vs. Redlands  7:00 p.m.

Cortland State  April 20, vs Salisbury 12 noon  This one is #1 vs #2 folks.

Trinity  April 23, vs Amherst  7:00 p.m.


Each of these games are between teams that could earn post season NCAA berths.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 18, 2014, 12:08:26 pm
Amherst wins on the road against Springfield and remains unbeaten...8-2.   Men's team meets Williams today....maybe take that game on-line and throw it up on my flat screen TV..if I remember the process :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 19, 2014, 05:46:53 pm
Amherst beats Williams in both Men and women contest.  Last night on Pratt field on senior day, the men won handily over the Ephs.
This afternoon up in Willy Town, the Women remain unbeaten with a 13-6  win over Williams.  Williams came out strong and took a three goal lead early.  Amherst a tied it at 5 all as the first half ended.  Williams scored first in the 2nd half but the Lady Jeff's scored the next 8 goals. 
OK Vandy...Amherst soften the Ephs for the Panthers.  Your team needs to bounce back from the Colby game and beat Williams.  Will it help Middlebury in the conference tourny...seeding?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 19, 2014, 11:22:47 pm
Amherst beats Williams in both Men and women contest.  Last night on Pratt field on senior day, the men won handily over the Ephs.
This afternoon up in Willy Town, the Women remain unbeaten with a 13-6  win over Williams.  Williams came out strong and took a three goal lead early.  Amherst a tied it at 5 all as the first half ended.  Williams scored first in the 2nd half but the Lady Jeff's scored the next 8 goals. 
OK Vandy...Amherst soften the Ephs for the Panthers.  Your team needs to bounce back from the Colby game and beat Williams.  Will it help Middlebury in the conference tourny...seeding?

Congrats to the Jeffs, Lords and Ladies.  Nothing more satisfying for you, I know, than a beat down of the Ephs.  The Middlebury women's season that began so successfully has certainly lost it's momentum.  With losses to Amherst, Trinity and Colby I don't really know if a win over Williams alone is enough to secure a top 4 seed for the NESCAC tourney.  The Panthers are having the same problems that the men's basketball team faced all season.  Injuries and illness.  Today a key offensive player was out with pneumonia.  She was just coming down with it when she missed the Trinity game.  I don't know if she can be expected to play against Williams.  Another player was playing today with strep throat.  Again, her status for a game four days away is unknown to me.  Also Middlebury used their 2nd string goalie because the starter has back problems.  This is a team that when healthy easily handled #4, at the time, Franklin & Marshall 14-5 on the road just 3 weeks ago.  It's hard to know what to expect from here. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 24, 2014, 09:09:06 am
Amherst loses its first game at Trinity 7-4 last night.  They become the 2nd seed in the conference tournament that start this weekend.  They will meet Bowdoin, the 7th seed.  Hoping that Amherst will start another long winning street :)....into the post season.
Congrats to Middlebury in its win...over Williams.  It was an impact win....where the Panthers are seeded is the question.http://www.d3boards.com/Smileys/classic/smiley.gif
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 25, 2014, 07:01:58 am
Amherst loses its first game at Trinity 7-4 last night.  They become the 2nd seed in the conference tournament that start this weekend.  They will meet Bowdoin, the 7th seed.  Hoping that Amherst will start another long winning street :)....into the post season.
Congrats to Middlebury in its win...over Williams.  It was an impact win....where the Panthers are seeded is the question.http://www.d3boards.com/Smileys/classic/smiley.gif

Amh63.....let the games begin. ;D ;)  Middlebury seems to be back and healthy and Williams paid the price on Wednesday.  A rematch with Colby, who beat a Middlebury team forced to use their 2nd string goalie, is the quarter-finals opponent.  1st stringer Alyssa Palomba had a career game against the Ephs with 8 saves against 12 shots on goal.  Chrissy Ritter played somewhat sparingly but hopefully will be fully recovered from her bout with pneumonia come Saturday. 

Trinity gets a rematch with the Bates team that upset them early in the season.  Bates is not a team to take lightly.  Three of their NESCAC losses (Middlebury, Williams and Bowdoin) were by a single goal.  No team scored more than 7 in any of those games.  They play serious defense.  Their Associate Coach is Heidi (Howard) Allen, wife of the HC.  Heidi was a 3 time All-American at Middlebury in both field hockey and lacrosse.  She played on 3 national champions in the two sports combined and was the National Player of the year in Lacrosse in 1999. 

Until proven otherwise, Cortland is the team to beat at the big party.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on April 26, 2014, 04:57:22 am
I finally remembered to watch a lacrosse game on the computer that didn't involve Middlebury.  Unfortunately it was the same night as the UConn-Notre Dame women's basketball championship game so I only saw the first half of North Central-Carthage.  That too was everything to be expected with NC coming out on top 17-16.  I thought the Cardinals had taken control with an 11-6 halftime lead but Carthage came back strong.  I wish I had seen it.  Two very potent and balanced offensive attacks.  Neither team as strong defensively it seems as last year's squads.  It looks like once again it will come down to a real battle between these two along with Augustana and an improved Concordia-(Wis) to claim the MWLC NCAA bid.  Next season the CCIW begins sponsoring lacrosse with three very strong programs as a nucleus.  It's very impressive the level of play these teams have developed in such a short time.  It shouldn't be long before they will be able to compete with anybody.  Possibly by the time this year's freshmen are seniors.   


Hey Vandy,
Not sure if you spotted this but Carroll University located in Waukesha, Wisconsin and currently a member of the Midwest Conference, has decide to join the CCIW conference as a full member for the 2016-17 season. It is anticipated that they will become an associate member in Women's Lacrosse in 2015-16, one year before they become a full member of the CCIW. They currently do not have a Men's or Women's Lacrosse team but will be adding both for the 2014-15 season. Here is a link to the full press release that was posted on the MWC Basketball board. It's the 3rd post on the page. The 2nd post on the page also has a link to the breaking news.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4558.13380

Plus K as usual for the fine job you do here. And a plus K to my friend from the DC area, amh63 as well. I got you over the 400 mark and amh63 over the 300 mark in the past few days. ;D 8-)
   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 26, 2014, 05:24:34 pm
Magicman...you are a generous man :)....who seems to stay up very, very late!

Amherst won today against Bowdoin at home in both the men's and women's a games.
The lady Jeff's beat the lady bears 11-5; while The Lord Jeff's won over the Polar Bears 13-6.  In the men's game, Bowdoin scored the first and last goal...early and late.  It was 6-2 at the half.  In the women's game, I believe Amherst lead all the way...got online after the game had started.

Maybe I will have my daughter take my grand daughter to watch Cortland State play sometime...being the No.1 team :)....Amherst seems to have moved up to No. 2 While having lost to no.5 Trinity.
Daughter lives in the Village of Groton..." Just down the street"  from Cortland...15 minutes away with no traffic. Son-in law wants his daughter to take an interest in a Team Sport.

Vandy...thanks for the background info wrt to Colby associate coach.  Will relate a story about the friendship between the Head Football Coach at Bowdoin and HBC Hixon...in another post.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 26, 2014, 07:30:04 pm
 


Hey Vandy,
Not sure if you spotted this but Carroll University located in Waukesha, Wisconsin and currently a member of the Midwest Conference, has decide to join the CCIW conference as a full member for the 2016-17 season. It is anticipated that they will become an associate member in Women's Lacrosse in 2015-16, one year before they become a full member of the CCIW. They currently do not have a Men's or Women's Lacrosse team but will be adding both for the 2014-15 season. Here is a link to the full press release that was posted on the MWC Basketball board. It's the 3rd post on the page. The 2nd post on the page also has a link to the breaking news.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4558.13380

Plus K as usual for the fine job you do here. And a plus K to my friend from the DC area, amh63 as well. I got you over the 400 mark and amh63 over the 300 mark in the past few days. ;D 8-)
   

Magicman,

NCF had already alerted me to Carroll's decision to return to the CCIW but thanks for the link supplying further info.  Women's lacrosse is going to be very strong in the CCIW next season with three schools having developed highly competitive programs in a short period of time.  My enthusiasm has been dampened a bit by Middlebury's loss to Colby this afternoon.  The Panthers led 6-0 early in the 1st half but from that point on seemed like a different team going on to lose 11-10.  The White Mules had defeated Middlebury a week ago but that Panther squad was playing without two key players.  No such excuses today however.  Colby is having a somewhat down year, by their standards, record-wise and is clearly better than the wins and losses tally would indicate.  They were certainly the better team today. :(

With Plattsburgh not fielding a women's lacrosse team I assume you are supporting SUNYAC power Cortland as the season winds down.  The #1 Lady Red Dragons are the best team I've seen play (vs Midd and Salisbury) this season. 

Thanks for the +K.  Your always knowledgeable posts have earned a few from me as well since I became eligible to give as well as receive. ;)



 

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on April 27, 2014, 04:50:42 am
Vandy,

Yes I will be rooting for the Cortland Women to continue to stretch that unbeaten streak right into a National Championship. I don't understand why Plattsburgh doesn't field a Women's team. They are the only SUNYAC school to not have a women's lacrosse team.

The Plattsburgh Men's Lacrosse team won a pair of games this past week to end the regular season with a 12-5 record and the 3rd seed in the SUNYAC playoffs. The top 4 teams made the playoffs and we travel to Potsdam on Wednesday to take on the Bears. The Cortland men mimicked the Cortland women and finished the regular season as the top seed. They will host the 4th seed, Oneonta, on Wednesday.

Plattsburgh's 12-5 record was a decent season for the Cardinals but was somewhat of a heartbreaker as the 5 losses were by a total of 6 goals. Cards lost to Cortland 11-10, Potsdam 8-7, Connecticut College 8-7, and RPI 11-10. Only Middlebury beat the Cards by more than a single goal as we lost to your Panthers by a 9-7 score. Several of those losses came in the final minute also. I'm hopeful we can turn the tables on Potsdam on Wednesday but fear that Cortland down there might be too tough, although that earlier 11-10 loss was in Cortland. The Potsdam loss was on the road as well but at least we know we can hang with both teams.

Thanks for the plus k.     
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 27, 2014, 11:28:07 am
Magicman...your post answered a question I had....whether your Cardinals had any lacrosse teams.

Vandy...hope your Panther team makes a run into the post season.  Too much talent not to.

The Bowdoin's men's team has a Caputi playing defense...he is also the QB on the football team.  Seems the family has some athletes :). 
Many years ago, when I was actually working and on a business trip to Pittsfield..GE plant there...I had some free time and went up to Willy Town to watch a basketball game.  Do not remember who the Ephs were playing, but did notice Coach Hixon watching the game from the entrance level walkway.  It was a long time ago for him to do his own scouting :). During halftime, I believe, a young lady came up to him and handed him a bag of popcorn...his presence was noticed and acknowledged.
It was only recently, in a conversation I had with Coach Hixon, I spoke to him about the popcorn...was it from Coach Sheely?   Coach Hixon smiled and said it was from his friend Caputi....who was an assistant coach at Williams at the time.  It seems that when they were both young, coaching at Amherst, they became friends.  Think that Caputi may have had a room at Hixon's house for awhile.
It seems that in the conference, there are many friendships/connections among the coaches...going now into another generation.
 As you may be aware, I am enjoying some generational encounters.  The grand daughter of a classmate is on the WBB team at Amherst.  Oh yes...Tom Killian, the senior BB player has a brother on the lacrosse team...a freshman starter.  Hope you get the picture.  A DC classmate has two daughters that played Lacrosse at Amherst...about the time when my sons were there.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on April 30, 2014, 06:48:47 pm
Plattsburgh State Men's Lacrosse team gained a measure of revenge over Potsdam State as they defeated the Bears in a semi-final game today 11-6 in the rain at Potsdam. Potsdam was the #2 seed and Plattsburgh was the #3 seed.

Top seed Cortland State, ranked #8 nationally, defeated the #4 seed Oneonta State by a 15-3 romp.  Cortland will host Plattsburgh for the SUNYAC Championship this Saturday, May 3rd with a time TBA. Cortland won the regular season meeting against Plattsburgh by an 11-10 score. Hoping the Cardinals can avenge that loss as well.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 01, 2014, 10:26:10 am
Magicman ....it is surprising that your Cardinals do not have a women team.  Considering the growing popularity of the sport and NY state being a source of fine players and teams.  Surely, Plattsburgh is a nicer school and town....to attract the talent. :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 02, 2014, 02:37:35 am
Magicman ....it is surprising that your Cardinals do not have a women team.  Considering the growing popularity of the sport and NY state being a source of fine players and teams.  Surely, Plattsburgh is a nicer school and town....to attract the talent. :)

amh63.

Right now there are 7 Men's athletic teams at Plattsburgh State and there are 8 Women's athletic teams. I think in order to add Women's Lacrosse the administration would have to add another men's sport. Since they dropped Men's tennis and golf a number of years ago, due to budget concerns, I don't see them adding any new teams in the near future, unfortunately. This is the problem that state schools have, especially in NY, where in recent years the amount of state aid to local high school districts has been cut back and tax increases have been necessary to maintain the programs at those levels. Even with the tax increases, many high schools have had to cut some sports programs and music programs in order to get their budgets passed by the local residents in each school district. Funding to all the colleges in the State University system has taken a hit as well. New York State was not in great financial shape a few years ago and it has affected all of the educational institutions regardless of the level.   

So I don't think it's a recruiting problem, it's a financial problem that is keeping the college from fielding a Women's Lacrosse team. What I don't understand is why Plattsburgh is the only school in the 10 member SUNYAC conference that seems to be getting the short end of the stick. If all the other SUNYAC schools are fielding a team in Women's Lacrosse, I find it hard to understand why the state and the college can't come up with a plan to introduce that sport here in Plattsburgh for the women.         
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 03, 2014, 05:24:35 pm
Cortland State Men defeat the Plattsburgh State Men by the identical score of their regular season meeting, 11-10, to win the SUNYAC Championship. Another tough 1 goal road loss for the Cardinals.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 03, 2014, 06:14:14 pm
It was a good day for Amherst lacrosse in Melford and Hartford .  The men's' team beat the 2nd see Cardinals...for the second time this season...12-8.  Will meet Tufts for the title on Sunday.
The women's' team beat Williams again 9-4, I believe.  The Lady Jeff's hope to beat the Bantams for the title.. Tough task..on Sunday to pay back Trinity for their only loss this season.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 03, 2014, 07:54:08 pm
It was a good day for Amherst lacrosse in Melford and Hartford .  The men's' team beat the 2nd see Cardinals...for the second time this season...12-8.  Will meet Tufts for the title on Sunday.
The women's' team beat Williams again 9-4, I believe.  The Lady Jeff's hope to beat the Bantams for the title.. Tough task..on Sunday to pay back Trinity for their only loss this season.

I watched the 2nd half.  I was surprised how close it was since I really don't think Williams is as good as this season's record would indicate.  The Lady Jeffs finally found their rhythm toward the end and put the game away decisively.  Agreed, beating Trinity is no small chore.  I will remain neutral on tomorrow's contest.  Two generations of family ties with one school.  Friends since childhood ties with the coach of the other.  Am I correct amh63 that Amherst has never won the NESCAC tournament in women's lax?  I think that's what the announcer of today's game said.  If so perhaps I'll root to see that happen.  Both teams are heading to the Big Dance I suspect. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 04, 2014, 07:22:27 am
Congratulations to NCAA tournament bound Denison and Augustana.  Denison came back from a 12-7 deficit with 22 minutes remaining to beat top seeded Wittenberg 16-12 and win the NCAC championship.  Augustana, who along with highly competitive programs at North Central and Carthage leave the MWLC next season and give the CCIW immediate credibility, showed why they are among the 6 teams also receiving votes in the regular season ending Top 20 coach's poll by handling Carthage 17-11.  Wittenberg was also on that 6 team list.  Denison came out of the 3rd seed to pull the upset.  It will be Denison's 16th NCAA appearance.  Augustana, in only their 3rd season of intercollegiate competition qualifies for the NCAA for the second time. :o  These two teams met in the regular season with Augustana eking out a 15-14 victory.  There is some very good women's lacrosse being played in the Midwest and it's only going to get better.  The sport is growing rapidly.  Hopefully a growth in fan interest will join the ride. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 04, 2014, 10:03:49 am
Vandy....according to the writeup...it is the LJs first title contest since 2005....guess that is a long time for the announcer :).  Amherst.s head coach who has been at Amherst for 20 years was only voted Coach of the year for the first time!   Considering that Amherst won a national title and battled the Panthers in title games, etc., nothing surprises me in conference voting.  On the men's team a senior player who has been a star for Amherst, was not even voted on any conference team...he got some satisfaction by scoring three goals against the Cardinals yesterday.
Also it is interesting that the Trinity "mat/field" needs to be replaced,IMO.....saw a number of players slipping during the game.
Oh yes, there is a tennis title battle between Amherst and Middlebury...men's tennis.  The Panthers upset the Jeff's during the regular season :).

Sidelight to the women's game....Trinity has a tri-captain player from Longmeadow, Ma....an attack player that scored 2 goals yesterday.  Her sister is a FY player on the Amherst team at the same position.  Wonder which team their parents will be rooting for.  Same question arose in football...where there have been star players playing for opposite teams.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 04, 2014, 03:58:48 pm
Amherst's men made a better try against Tufts this time but lost at Tufts 20-13.  It was only a one goal difference at the half.  The earlier lost to the Jumbos was 25-12 and it was not even close  at any time.  Here' s hoping both meet in the national title game :)

The women's team loses by three again to Trinity in a higher scoring game in Hartford...10-7.   Amherst had it's chances but could not beat Trinity's fine goalie....three times in the 2nd half in a one one  shot attempt, Amherst was stopped.  Too many fast break attempts were stopped by TOs and bad decisions, IMO.  It was not to be today.  go Jeff's.

Amherst was competing for 4 conference titles this Sunday.  The women's tennis team wins one over Williams...the national title holder.  The win was the 2nd one over the Ephs this Spring.
The men's' tennis team should win over the Panthers soon, for the other title...3-0 lead after doubles and leading in all 6 single matches....sorry about my confidence Vandy :).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 04, 2014, 11:19:53 pm
A bit of a surprise tonight.  It was a given that NESCAC teams Trinity and Amherst would receive bids and I expected a Colby team that came on strong toward the end of the season to be included as well.  Watching the selection program I wasn't happy to see Williams make the list because they were the 4th conference  team which I assumed would be the limit.  Middlebury, however, is in as well.  Talent-wise there is no question that they are capable of going to the Final Four but you still have to put up the W's and a string of untimely injuries and illnesses the second half of the season resulted in a Panther squad that seemed to lose it's focus.  Their omission from this year's tournament would have been disappointing for the coaches, players and fans but by no means hard to understand.  With the rapid growth of the sport there are only so many bids to go around.  Middlebury hosts Endicott on Saturday, a team they had best not take lightly since they have a common regular season opponent in Bates College who lost by a single goal to each of them. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 04, 2014, 11:42:30 pm
Congratulations to Denison whose men's and women's teams (like Cortland) both received NCAA tournament berths.  Lacrosse is a relatively new sport in the midwest but Denison, especially the men's team, has been playing as long if not longer than any school in the northeast.  Denison has played in the Final Four.  This season they might do it again as they enter the tournament with a 17-0 record and a #4 national ranking.  It will be their 25th NCAA appearance.  The women are going for the 16th time having defeated top-seeded Wittenberg 16-12 to win the NCAC tournament and sport a 13-4 record of their own.  Best of luck to both.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 06, 2014, 08:56:59 pm
Links to the men's and women's brackets.

www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/lacrosse-men/d3

www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/lacrosse-women/d3
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 07, 2014, 08:48:09 pm
Amherst beats Colorado College on Pratt Field 13-10.  It was 8-4, Colorado.  Amherst changes it's goalie and ties it at the end of the 3rd quarter...and wins in the 4th, scoring 5 goals.
Amherst meets Union in the 2nd round.
Tufts also advances also by crushing Emmanual,  24-2.  Good day for the conference teams.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 10, 2014, 03:34:08 pm
Two part post.
Tufts wins at home against Endicott...10-9!  Amherst loses to Union NY 17-11.  It was close at the half with Union leading 7-6.  In the 4th period, Amherst closes the lead to 2 goals...13-11....before Union scores the last 4 goals.  Amherst finish its season.

Om the women's side...all five conference teams wins big...except for Williams that had a single digit win.  Amherst wins at home against Bridgewater St....20-4.  Amherst shuts down Bridgewaters big scorers to 2 goals in each half.  It was Amherst 13-2 at the half, I believe.

Vandy can report on the other games....saw that The Panthers crushed their opponent at home. :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 11, 2014, 02:19:02 am


On the women's side...all five conference teams wins big...except for Williams that had a single digit win.  Amherst wins at home against Bridgewater St....20-4.  Amherst shuts down Bridgewaters big scorers to 2 goals in each half.  It was Amherst 13-2 at the half, I believe.

Vandy can report on the other games....saw that The Panthers crushed their opponent at home. :)

No problem for the NESCAC in the 1st round.  No surprises.  Now it gets a bit tougher.  I expect Trinity and Amherst to advance once more.  Williams against Colby will test the mettle of both and Middlebury will need to stay very focused against Salisbury.  Both teams have Final Four talent.  One will not make the Elite Eight. 

Augustana beat Adrian rather handily as I expected they would.  Last year a victory over Redlands won them a chance to play defending champion Trinity.  I watched Augie play a few times this season and it was clear they learned from that experience.  It will be back to school for them again as they face this year's defending champ Salisbury.

If Middlebury beats Gettysburg, the best game in the next round with Colby-Williams a close 2nd, they will most likely gain a rematch with their nemesis of recent years Trinity.  The Colby-Williams winner will face #1 Cortland while Amherst with a win will probably face 13 time national champion TCNJ. 

A couple of toss-ups but no bold predictions here.  Most of the talent is still to be found in a small group of programs.  That said, the growth of the sport and the increasing talent level in the Midwest is impressive and fun to watch.  By the time Augustana's freshmen are seniors the team will be dangerous come tournament time.  The same can be said of several other rapidly improving programs.  I hope the fan base for this exciting sport will begin to grow rapidly as well.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 12, 2014, 03:44:06 pm
A sort of follow up to Vandy's thoughts...but less "thoughtful" ....on my part. :)

Found out that Amherst will host one of the regionals on the woman's side.  Seems that Washington& Lee, York and TCNJ will travel up north and Play on Pratt field this weekend.
On the other side, Middlebury and Trinity will head South to Gettysbury, PA...the Title site...in a regional.  The panthers to meet the host. 
Meanwhile this weekend, Williams and Colby will head west to Cortland State.  Williams and Colby will have a rematch...I expect a battle since the first game went to 2OTs...a Colby lost.

On the Trinity website, there is a feature of the Bantams head lacrosse coach being featured on a local station...Vandy you maybe intereste.

I would normally be tempted to go up to Gettysburg and catch the Middlebury game...about a hour drive...50 miles.  However, I am committed to be in the Annapolis, MD area this weekend.  Need to head to a Starbucks to watch the Amherst game on a tablet.  Wife needs a private driver :).
Think I got it right.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 13, 2014, 04:14:23 am
A sort of follow up to Vandy's thoughts...but less "thoughtful" ....on my part. :)

Found out that Amherst will host one of the regionals on the woman's side.  Seems that Washington& Lee, York and TCNJ will travel up north and Play on Pratt field this weekend.
On the other side, Middlebury and Trinity will head South to Gettysbury, PA...the Title site...in a regional.  The panthers to meet the host. 
Meanwhile this weekend, Williams and Colby will head west to Cortland State.  Williams and Colby will have a rematch...I expect a battle since the first game went to 2OTs...a Colby lost.

On the Trinity website, there is a feature of the Bantams head lacrosse coach being featured on a local station...Vandy you maybe interested.

I would normally be tempted to go up to Gettysburg and catch the Middlebury game...about a hour drive...50 miles.  However, I am committed to be in the Annapolis, MD area this weekend.  Need to head to a Starbucks to watch the Amherst game on a tablet.  Wife needs a private driver :).
Think I got it right.

Amh63,

Thanks for bringing the interview link to my attention.  Have you listened to it yourself?  Coach Livesay is 8 months pregnant. :o   Looks like a bouncing baby Bantam is on the way. ;D  I will be seeing the expectant grandparents very shortly.

Amherst should have no trouble with York, certainly not on their home turf.  Then  the fun begins.  As uneven as the level of competition in early round games can be, once the Elite Eight is established every game pits opponents who have championship game reaching ability.  It's too bad you will be unable to go to Gettysburg to watch the Panthers.  They will need all the fan support they can get and I know you to be a loyal rooter for NESCAC teams that aren't playing against your Lord Jeffs. (Well, perhaps not the Ephs. ;D ;D)  Middlebury has a history of scheduling Gettysburg as a regular season opponent and has gone 6-1 against them since 2004 losing in 2008 by a 19-17 OT score.  They have beaten the Bullets each of the last two seasons.  This time around it should be remembered that a second meeting in last season's regional finals at Middlebury was thwarted by #5 Gettysburg being upset by #14 RPI.  They have been waiting a year for this game.  RPI, btw, had All-American goalie, Allie Arnal.  Middlebury fans were very relieved when the final buzzer sounded the next day with the score 10-8 in their favor.

Well, there are still several games against quality opposition to be played but an Amherst-Middlebury championship match-up is a possibility at present.  Should we both be fortunate for that to occur I believe a gentlemanly wager of some sort would be in order.  We both could have some driving to do.  I expect I can convince Middhoops to chauffeur.  But regardless, best of luck to Amherst unless and/or until Middlebury stands in the way. ;)   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jknezek on May 13, 2014, 09:31:38 am
The W&L team is good but I'm not sure they are that good. They had a very favorable matchup in the first round and TCNJ will be a better test. I think Amherst has to be a prohibitive favorite to come out of this grouping.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 14, 2014, 01:57:18 am
The W&L team is good but I'm not sure they are that good. They had a very favorable matchup in the first round and TCNJ will be a better test. I think Amherst has to be a prohibitive favorite to come out of this grouping.

The W&L-Amherst game is an interesting match-up.  I agree that Amherst should be considered the favorite but the Generals' loss to #2 Salisbury by only two goals shows that the Lady Jeffs should not take them lightly.   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 14, 2014, 10:58:04 am
Vandy...I'm sure Amherst will be aware when the time comes.  Let Bucket know about the matchup if it occurs :)
Yes, I will be up for a wager of sorts if the Title game has our teams meeting :).
Something of interest to you...another Amherst connection to a Middlebury football star player.  Was going to post it on the football board in the Fall, but it is Reunion time and someone I know mention the connection.  The Famous Football kicker from Middlebury who helped the NFL Seahawks win the Superball?...anyway, his father is a member of the Class of '64 at Amherst and is returning for his 50th at Amherst.  He remarked that he still suffers from the fact that his son's Panther team lost to Amherst in the '05 football game :).  No sympathy here!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 16, 2014, 02:55:24 pm
Tufts men's team wins over Cortland State...big tine and enters the semi- final round.  Will meet RIT.
I actually visited RIT's campus when I had some free time in the Rochester area.  Have a niece that went there...only child of my older brother that left the South to go to college.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 16, 2014, 06:10:32 pm
Tufts men's team wins over Cortland State...big tine and enters the semi- final round.  Will meet RIT.
I actually visited RIT's campus when I had some free time in the Rochester area.  Have a niece that went there...only child of my older brother that left the South to go to college.

Tufts has been the Beast of the NESCAC in recent years, winning the DIII crown in 2010 and losing the title game in '11.  The only other NESCAC team to advance that far is Middlebury who played for the DIII championship every year except '04 from 1999-2005 going 3-3 in the process.  Good luck to Tufts against #1 RIT this Sunday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 17, 2014, 03:29:13 pm
Congratulations to Gettysburg as the Bullets came back from a 7-3 deficit early in the 2nd half to win 9-7.  Tough way to end the season for the Panthers.  A very evenly played game for the most part despite the way the scoring unfolded.  An 8-2 advantage for the host team in free position opportunities but only one tally to show for it.  A superb 2nd half performance from Gettysburg goalie Shannon Keeler who made 8 saves on 9 shots on goal.  As said in a previous post, two very good teams only one of which could win. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 17, 2014, 06:06:35 pm
Saw the score at halftime and expected a Panther win.  Looked at the stats and was again a little puzzled.  Guess our wager is just a wish :'(
The rest of the conference reps remaining are Colby, Trinity and Amherst. Trinity was up 11-1 at the half against a very overmatched opponent...final score. 17-5 ...a Trinity win.  The Colby and Williams match was 3-2 at the half with Colby ahead...can not call the Colby women, the Mules...is there another name for them?.   In any case, Colby got a payback win over Williams...8-6?  The Stats was a little "strange" for me.  Colby had trouble in Clears, and was greatly out shot by the Ephs...in both periods.  Still, Williams got most of their points off of penalties..it seems to me.
Finally, Amherst wins over York of PA...12-3.  It was 7-1 after the the first period.
Three Nescac schools in the final 8 teams!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 17, 2014, 08:55:24 pm
Saw the score at halftime and expected a Pather win.  Looked at the stats and was again a little puzzled.  Guess our wager is just a wish :'(
The rest of the conference reps remaining are Colby, Trinity and Amherst. Trinity was up 11-1 at the half against an very overmatched opponent...final score. 17-5 ...a Trinity win.  The Colby and Williams match was 3-2 at the half with Colby ahead...can not call the Colby women, the Mules...is there another name for them?.   In any case, Colby got a payback win over Williams...8-6?  The Stats was a little "strange" for me.  Colby had trouble in Clears, and was greatly out shot by the Ephs...in both periods.  Still, Williams got most of their points off of penalties..it seem to me.
Finally, Amherst wins over York of PA...12-3.  It was 7-1 after the the first period.
Three Nescac schools in the final 8 teams!

Congratulations to the NESCAC winners.  I expected Colby to beat the Ephs.  I consider them the better team.  No surprises with Trinity and Amherst.  As for the Midd-Gettysburg game there was nothing lopsided about the second half except for the Bullet's goalie.  Eight saves on nine shots on goal.  I'm pretty sure that's against the rules. ::)  And did I happen to mention she's a freshman? :'(  Good point on what to call the Colby women.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 18, 2014, 09:51:09 am
Thought about going up to Gettysburg today to watch the game...wrong time and wrong schools.
Vandy....your post about the Gettysburg goalie peaked my interest.  It seems that both the goalies are FYs!  To make matters worst, so to speak, is that the new assistant coach was a former goalie for Hamilton and had been an assistant for two years at Conn Collegie.  I'm sure she had her "hand" in recruiting the goalies for Gettysburg...being active in lacrosse in the New Haven area and one of the goalies is from CT., etc.
While on the Gettysburg website....nice one,...saw that the lacrosse seniors had a special graduation ceremony since this weekend was their graduation time.  My interest?   It seems that if Amherst reaches the final four, it is the same weekend as graduation....next weekend.   Key players for Amherst are seniors, as usual.
Hard decision for them if the team reaches the Title game.
Seems that Colby won their game with two starters out.  expect a low scoring game between Colby and Gettysburg since both teams have fine goalies.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 18, 2014, 05:52:58 pm
Apologies for an error..in my previous post.  Guess it is not surprising :).  Anyway, Colby does/did not meet Gettyburgh.  They met no 1 Cortland State and fell hard.   Trinity sort of dominated Gettysburg and goes to the Final 4.  Fourth ranked TCNJ fell to the fifth ranked Lady Jeffs on Pratt Field.  It was 3-3 at the half.  TCNJ took leads of 4-3 and 5-4, only to have Amherst come back.  Amherst went up 6-5 with about 7 minutes to go and used a tough defense and a steady offense to go up by two goals....then slowed the game down and finally won 8-5.  Go Jeff's!
Conference has two teams in the Final 4 :)

On the men side, Tufts won surprisingly easy over RIT.....11-5, I believe.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 18, 2014, 11:01:10 pm
Apologies for an error..in my previous post.  Guess it is not surprising :).  Anyway, Colby does/did not meet Gettyburgh.  They met no 1 Cortland State and fell hard.   Trinity sort of dominated Gettysburg and goes to the Final 4.  Fourth ranked TCNJ fell to the fifth ranked Lady Jeffs on Pratt Field.  It was 3-3 at the half.  TCNJ took leads of 4-3 and 5-4, only to have Amherst come back.  Amherst went up 6-5 with about 7 minutes to go and used a tough defense and a steady offense to go up by two goals....then slowed the game down and finally won 8-5.  Go Jeff's!
Conference as two teams in the Final 4 :)

On the men side, Tufts won surprisingly easy over RIT.....11-5, I believe.

Amh63.....You are not alone in being confused as to how the winners match up in the following rounds.  Very confusing bracket design. ???  Cortland, Salisbury, Trinity and Amherst in the women's Final Four.  No surprises.  I wasn't certain Amherst would prevail simply because like Williams they were never tested out of conference during the season and had been considerabe favorites in the tournament before meeting TCNJ.  But unlike the Ephs who really did not finished the season well the Lady Jeffs had won by respectable margins against their strongest opposition.  I remain of the opinion that Cortland is the best team I've seen play this season but Trinity really impressed me today and of course an all NESCAC championship game would be interesting.  It'll be tough for a Middlebury fan to watch.  The Panthers lost 11-10 to Amherst, 10-9 to Trinity and 12-10 to Cortland, but lose they did and that's why their seniors have nothing to keep them from attending their commencement ceremonies. ;)   Good luck next Saturday to the Lady Jeffs and  the Bantams......And to the Tufts men as well.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 19, 2014, 01:34:45 am

On the men side, Tufts won surprisingly easy over RIT.....11-5, I believe.

Holy Crap. :o :o :o  That must have been the halftime score amh63.  Tufts won 21-11.  They started Middlebury's season off with a 24-6 whuppin' and I never really got very interested in the Panther men's team although they did right the ship eventually and even upset Amherst as I recall.  I might have to watch that game on Sunday. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 19, 2014, 08:20:53 am
The Cortland Women really do seem to be a juggernaut. Other than the 12-10 win over Middlebury, a 15-12 win over St John Fisher and a 12-8 win over Salisbury the Red Dragons have defeated their other 19 opponents by an average of 11.6 goals per game. Their 3 tournament games so far have been won by margins of 15, 16 and 9 goals. After coming so close in the past couple of years maybe this is their year. I expect the other 3 Final Four teams will be no pushovers however and anything can happen. Hope the Red Dragon Ladies can bring home the hardware for the SUNYAC.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 19, 2014, 09:26:29 am
The Cortland Red Dragons...I'm getting good at mascots...are considered as the "Jock" school by the locals.  Sorry but that expression does not appear correct to women sports, IMO. :)
Anyway,   The contests were held at a local Community ColleGe facility about two miles from my daughter's home.  Surprising in that the Cortland football field is available and is the one used by the NFL  Jets for training camp.
I believe that Cortland  should be made to play fair :) against Nescac schools.  Suggest that SUNY take some funding and ship it up to Plattsburgh.  That is for you Magicman.  Heck, I think if Cortland sends half it's women's team up North, both schools would have competitive teams in lacrosse.
Yes, the Final Four has the no. 1, no.2, no.3 and the no. 5 ranked Amherst teams.
Going up next weekend to Gettysburg.   Wish I could remember the Salisbury's mascot...been on their campus...SeaGulls?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 19, 2014, 09:39:56 am
Vandy....the 11-5 score was the goals scored in the second half by Trinity against the No.1 RIT team!
Title game will be in Baltimore in the NFL Ravens' stadium.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 20, 2014, 03:37:12 am
amh63...your memory is working just fine....Salisbury's nickname is the Sea Gulls. And Cortland has long been known as the "jock school" not just by the locals but by all the other State Universities. This is due in part because so many of their graduates go into Physical Education teaching positions. Potsdam State produces music teachers, Cortland State produces gym teachers (and coaches). With so many "jocks" choosing Cortland because their livelihood will end up being in the world of athletics, it's easy to see why they always have good or great teams in everything. Especially the spring sports. The Men's and Women's Lacrosse teams are usually conference champs and the Baseball team is in the College World Series this week for the 12th time. The Women's softball team usually makes it into the NCAA tournament as well. Men's and Women's track teams are among the best in the conference also.   

The Cortland State Women's Lacrosse team is not only loaded, they appear to be loaded with outstanding Freshmen and Sophomores. I think you're right, they could split that team right down the middle and give half to Plattsburgh and there would still be enough talent to make 2 good teams. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 23, 2014, 02:19:37 pm
Read an interesting lacrosse article today in the Wash. Post...at the barber..  The U. of MD Terps have both their teams in the Final 4 ...playing in venues in their backyard, so to speak.  This is their last year in the ACC, one of the top if not the strongest lacrosse conferences.  Next year , the Terps play in the Big Ten, a conference that starts their first lacrosse season...a novice lacrosse conference.  NOtre Dame is now in the ACC, except for football.  Yes the sports world in Div1 is in flux....following the money.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 24, 2014, 05:11:04 pm
Some great women's lacrosse being played this afternoon.  Trinity edging #1 Cortland 8-7 in the earlier contest while Amherst trails #2 Salisbury 3-2 at the half.  I fear Amherst has lost key defensive player Kerry Fusco to a serious knee injury but it has not yet been decided that she can't return in the second half.  Very possibly a torn acl which would be a shame since the junior would in all likelihood miss her senior season.  Hoping that I'm wrong on what the injury is.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 24, 2014, 06:07:26 pm
Salisbury an 8-4 winner over the LJs.  It will be Trinity against Salisbury in the championship game for the 3rd straight year tomorrow with each having won it once against the other.  Trinity will also be looking to avenge a loss to the Sea Gulls in a Florida Spring Break tournament earlier this season.  Good luck to the Bantams!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 25, 2014, 01:19:14 pm
Vandy....thanks for covering the games yesterday.
Got to the games as the Trinity match was coming to a close.   Good crowd on hand for both games.
In the Amherst game, the deeper and better team won.  I told some of the Sea Gull crowd that point as I left with a minute to go.  Amherst seem to lose some of its energy when Fusco went down.  She was on crutches on the sidelines.
Salisbury would substitute throughout the game...a little like the way the men's game has become...different lines as seen in ice hockey.  Amherst did not have the experienced depth to do likewise.
For me, the good news was seeing several Senior players attend Graduation this morning on a bright NE day.
The  sad thing for all teams was the poor condition of the playing field.  Players on both sides and in both games seem to be falling and slipping.  Spoke to fans of the four teams...all agree that the carpet was terrible, especially for a Final Four event.
Other than the high cost...10 bucks for an adult with no senior discount and the unavailablility of drinks to purchase, I had a good time.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 25, 2014, 03:36:33 pm
Congratulations to the Tufts men's team winning the D3 national championship 12-9 over Salisbury.  I only saw some of the 1st half which ended in a 5-5 tie score.  On the women's side the Lady Sea Gulls are controlling things at the half leading 5-0 over a clearly tired Trinity team.  Salisbury plays some of the best defense I've ever seen and it will take a great effort on the Bantams part to come back in the 2nd half.  Not to take anything away from the superb over-all game being played by Salisbury but their 5th goal via a free position when shooting space was determined by the official on a foul several feet outside the 12 meter arc was ludicrous.  But there is no doubt that Salisbury has significantly out-played Trinity so far this afternoon.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 25, 2014, 04:30:17 pm
Congratulations to Salisbury, D3 national champs for the second straight season.  9-6 the final score.  Trinity was game, finally getting some offense going but the Sea Gulls were too good to come back from a 5 goal deficit against.  Congratulations to Trinity on another fine season.  Still the class of the NESCAC.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 27, 2014, 05:36:00 pm
Vandy....just read on the conference website that the Middlebury lacrosse coach...Missy Foote is planning to retire next year!  Good for her!  Now what are you going to do with your extra time?(http://)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 28, 2014, 12:35:04 am
Vandy....just read on the conference website that the Middlebury lacrosse coach...Missy Foote is planning to retire next year!  Good for her!  Now what are you going to do with your extra time?(http://)

I'm a bit surprised Amh63.  Missy has been considering it off and on for a year or two from what other family members have been telling me but I thought she would continue for two more seasons rather than one.  I've become hooked on the game since she drafted me to run the time clock for her 8-9 years ago.  I'll continue going to the games after she retires.  I just won't have to worry about my brother's home life if the Panthers lose.  :o ;D ;)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 28, 2014, 09:39:46 pm
Vandy....this maybe a bit early and not a topic to bring up...but what the heck.  Do you think that Midhoops' former babysitter...of his daughter...would be interested in the Panther position?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 29, 2014, 04:24:08 pm
Vandy...got my answer...conference website has a story today that Coach Kate Livesay of Trinity has resigned her position and will return to her hometown to be an assistant lacrosse coach.  Guess she will take Coach Foote Lacrosse job after next year.   A year to recruit her first class so to speak.

Play your cards correct...you may keep your job :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 29, 2014, 05:16:16 pm
Vandy...got my answer...conference website has a story today that Coach Kate Livesay of Trinity has resigned her position and will return to her hometown to be an assistant lacrosse coach.  Guess she will take Coach Foote Lacrosse job after next year.   A year to recruit her first class so to speak.

Play your cards correct...you may keep your job :)

amh63,

I heard this last night from another MC HC.  We both agreed it was unofficial at the time and for another reason I felt I should wait before sharing it with anyone.  I'm going to be rather busy for the next few hours but sometime tonight or tomorrow I'll fill you in.  It will be a PM not a chat board message.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 30, 2014, 01:22:13 am
That is some hire that Middlebury just made Vandy. Did Missy handpick her successor? As amh63 says you have to play your cards right to keep your job.  At least you have a year to prove to Ms. Livsay how valuable you are. ;D   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 30, 2014, 02:19:36 am
That is some hire that Middlebury just made Vandy. Did Missy handpick her successor? As amh63 says you have to play your cards right to keep your job.  At least you have a year to prove to Ms. Livsay how valuable you are. ;D

Actually magicman I lost the time clock job a few years back when the economy tanked.  MC realized that they had students willing to work for free instead of the $30/game they were paying me.  I blame my agent mostly. I should have realized it was the wrong time to demand $50 per game and a company car.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: LIOG14 on May 30, 2014, 01:01:55 pm
Livesay Leaving Trinity - from the Hartford Courant

Kate Livesay has resigned as Trinity women's lacrosse coach. Livesay, who guided the Bantams to the NCAA Division III title in 2012, steps down to move her family back to her hometown of Middlebury, Vt. She is expected to join the coaching staff at her alma mater, Middlebury College. "I feel so fortunate to have started my coaching career at such a wonderful institution," Livesay said. "Trinity has been home to me for 10 years and I have valued every moment." Trinity was 127-26 (.830) and qualified for seven NCAA tournaments under Livesay. The Bantams were 84-10 from 2010-2014
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 30, 2014, 04:17:28 pm
Livesay Leaving Trinity - from the Hartford Courant

Kate Livesay has resigned as Trinity women's lacrosse coach. Livesay, who guided the Bantams to the NCAA Division III title in 2012, steps down to move her family back to her hometown of Middlebury, Vt. She is expected to join the coaching staff at her alma mater, Middlebury College. "I feel so fortunate to have started my coaching career at such a wonderful institution," Livesay said. "Trinity has been home to me for 10 years and I have valued every moment." Trinity was 127-26 (.830) and qualified for seven NCAA tournaments under Livesay. The Bantams were 84-10 from 2010-2014

I hope you plan on joining us on the board here next Spring.  Exciting sport.  Too few posters.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: LIOG14 on June 24, 2014, 11:51:35 am
Congrats to Kate Livesay who gave birth to a beautiful little girl! Welcome to the NESCAC Annie!!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on July 05, 2014, 11:08:34 pm
Congrats to Kate Livesay who gave birth to a beautiful little girl! Welcome to the NESCAC Annie!!

Congrats indeed!! :) :)   Every now and then it's a good idea to check out the board off-season.  I have been meaning to see the proud new grandpa on an unrelated matter.  Thanks for the timely update.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on July 13, 2014, 10:39:23 am
Ohio Wesleyan Lacrosse gets a boost from Donor:

http://www.battlingbishops.com/news/2014/7/11/MLX_07112014.aspx

This should give a big boost to an already good program. Selby fields turf has been redone recently as well.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on July 14, 2014, 03:03:41 pm
Was watching ESPN the other day and decided to turn to College lacrosse.  Shows on schoolboy games and players from the Baltimore area and the West.  The show on the players from the Western state...mainly California...was most interesting.  It included an all star game....highlights...between the West and the Long Island All-stars.  Long Island is a source of many Nescac players.
The primary narrator for the Western players is a graduate of Tufts.  He is instructing a number of HS players it seems.  In his opinion, the players from the West are good athletes, but are not as good with the techniques/skill level of East coast players.  The sport has really picked up in the West.
It will be interesting to see how many West Coast players are on Nescac squads in the future...in particular at Tufts.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 15, 2014, 04:16:51 pm
You are assuming west coast schools won't pick them up instead. Denver hasn't become a power in D1 because of happen stance.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: SpartanMom_2016 on September 15, 2014, 10:51:18 am
I see lots of talk here about women's lacrosse.  Does anyone follow D3 men's lacrosse?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on September 15, 2014, 05:48:48 pm
Not really. Being a baseball parent, lacrosse is the wrong season. But I do have some news frpm OWU mens Lax.http://www.battlingbishops.com/mobile/index.aspx?story=2518
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on September 28, 2014, 10:11:37 pm
I see lots of talk here about women's lacrosse.  Does anyone follow D3 men's lacrosse?

I used to follow the men's game more than I do now.  I confess to enjoying the women's game more but Middlebury traditionally fields strong squads in each.  I plan to refocus more on the men next season when a major on-campus construction project is finished and finding a parking place within half a mile of the field is possible again. ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on September 28, 2014, 10:26:00 pm
Not really. Being a baseball parent, lacrosse is the wrong season. But I do have some news frpm OWU mens Lax.http://www.battlingbishops.com/mobile/index.aspx?story=2518

Great news for a storied lacrosse program. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on September 30, 2014, 11:26:28 pm
Not really. Being a baseball parent, lacrosse is the wrong season. But I do have some news frpm OWU mens Lax.http://www.battlingbishops.com/mobile/index.aspx?story=2518

Great news for a storied lacrosse program.
Womens athletics will benefit as well. That is a plus.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Joe Wally on February 06, 2015, 09:05:26 am
Wabash lacrosse begins its inaugural varsity season this spring.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on March 21, 2015, 10:30:59 pm
Just found this portion of the message board. Anyone on here talking D3 women's lacrosse? I'm a fan of George Fox out in Oregon, and the NWC only sponsors women's lacrosse. This is only the second season for GFU, but they are currently 8-1 on the year.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: madzillagd on March 23, 2015, 04:57:58 pm
The answer to your question is no, no one is talking about women's lacrosse.   :(    But, we can start up a lopsided rivalry because my niece plays for Linfield and they haven't won a game yet this year.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: BlueZoneBruin on March 26, 2015, 11:35:51 am
The answer to your question is no, no one is talking about women's lacrosse.   :(    But, we can start up a lopsided rivalry because my niece plays for Linfield and they haven't won a game yet this year.

Maybe that rivalry would balance out the return of our football program.  :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 26, 2015, 11:20:56 pm
After a season opening 12-11 loss at the hands of Tufts the Middlebury women have run off a six game win streak.  It's the farewell season for MC's HOF coach Missy Foote.  The Spring Break trip finally allowed them to play in temperatures that don't freeze water and after an easy 19-4 victory over Roanoke the Panthers mettle was tested yesterday against #9 Washington & Lee.  Middlebury led 8-3 at the half and controlled 9 of 12 draws.  After extending their lead to 9-3 at 26:45 in the second half W&L made it 9-4 at 24:09 and by 20:16 it was a 9-7 score.  Coach Foote called a timeout and changed goalkeepers but just under 4 minutes later the Generals scored again cutting the margin to one.  Middlebury then reverted to first half form and at 13:04 scored the first of 5 unanswered goals for a hard fought victory.  They return home to host 5-2 Amherst on Saturday.

There isn't much chatter on this board but with the rapid growth of the game particularly in the Midwest hopefully that will soon change.



Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 27, 2015, 08:11:29 am
So, I'll throw my two cents in about North Central and the CCIW.  Currently, the men have six teams participating, Carthage, IWU, Elmhurst, Augie, Carroll and Dubuque. Carthage leads the pack at 9-0. The women have seven teams, North Central, Augie, Carthage, IWU, Elmhurst, Carroll and Dubuque, with Augie at 5-1 and North Central at 4-1. The sport has exploded in Illinois high schools over the past five years so I expect the CCIW to reap the benefit a few years down the road.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 27, 2015, 02:03:01 pm
As ordered....Vandy74, here I am. :)
See that you are aware of the Amherst vs. Middlebury game on Sat. At 2:30PM, I believe.  The question I have for you, my friend....are you going to get paid for your services this year or volunteering to impress the " new coach in waiting" ?  Just kidding around here.
Me thinks I maybe catching some of the men's game on Pratt Field starting at 1PM.   The men's team is presently undefeated and slowly rising in the rankings.  Meanwhile the Amherst's women team...ranked pre- season at no.1, is inconsistent....losing to Bowdoin and someone else.  It will be a battle, I believe.  Go Jeffs!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 28, 2015, 03:47:59 am
As ordered....Vandy74, here I am. :)
See that you are aware of the Amherst vs. Middlebury game on Sat. At 2:30PM, I believe.  The question I have for you, my friend....are you going to get paid for your services this year or volunteering to impress the " new coach in waiting" ?  Just kidding around here.
Me thinks I maybe catching some of the men's game on Pratt Field starting at 1PM.   The men's team is presently undefeated and slowly rising in the rankings.  Meanwhile the Amherst's women team...ranked pre- season at no.1, is inconsistent....losing to Bowdoin and someone else.  It will be a battle, I believe.  Go Jeffs!

That it will be, amh63.  #5 vs #13.  As you know I'll be watching the women's game.  I don't work the time clock anymore and enjoy it much more this way. :D 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 28, 2015, 11:07:34 am
Vandy74......Dress WARM, my friend.   Amherst got a fresh coat of snow today! :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 28, 2015, 08:37:29 pm
Vandy74......Dress WARM, my friend.   Amherst got a fresh coat of snow today! :)

We were spared the snow but not the temperature.  An eight foot high snow bank still lines the outer edge on the teams' side of Peter Kohn Field.  But it was a good day for Middlebury Lax both men and women, winners 17-11 and 9-5 respectively over the Lord Jeffs.  Posters on the basketball board are well aware of my strong family connection to Amherst and I lack the pure joy that other Panther fans are feeling today. The women played in cold and windy conditions I expect even Native Americans found unacceptable. :P  That said, it was late into the 2nd half before Middlebury finally took control skillfully burning most of the last 3-4 minutes off the clock as Amherst pulled their GK trying for one last rally.  The Panther men look stronger than they have in several seasons, but there are no easy games in the NESCAC and many still to be played.  With the Middlebury contests now in the record books I'll be rooting as hard as anyone for the LJs to finish strong.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on March 29, 2015, 06:03:32 am
Vandy,
Nice wins for Middlebury today. Hope that Coach Foote can go out in a blaze of glory. Good luck to her and the Middlebury women.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 29, 2015, 02:41:03 pm
Vandy,
Nice wins for Middlebury today. Hope that Coach Foote can go out in a blaze of glory. Good luck to her and the Middlebury women.

Magicman........good to hear from you and thanks.  A little arm weather for a "Spring" sport would help but so far it's just the fans who seem to be bothered by it. :P  An overdue congrats to the Cardinal women's hockey team on their 2nd consecutive DIII national championship.  Your men's LAX are having a pretty decent season themselves I see. 8-)  Is Cortland still the team to beat in the SUNYAC this year?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: middhoops on March 29, 2015, 05:30:53 pm
Yesterday morning, I woke up with every intention of supporting Vandy74 and attending a big game for Missy Foote and Middlebury.  It was 11 degrees.  Honest.
Watching the live stream video was almost as cold.  Kudos to Vandy for enduring the event.
Too bad we don't get spring for another month; lacrosse has always been huge at Midd.  I distinctly remember when the present men's coach was their all-american goalie.  His coach is now the AD.
If you ever wonder about Middlebury's commitment to lacrosse, they hired a national championship coach a year before their
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: middhoops on March 29, 2015, 05:31:31 pm
.......present coach was due to retire.  That's just not messing around.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on March 30, 2015, 03:49:42 am
Vandy,
Nice wins for Middlebury today. Hope that Coach Foote can go out in a blaze of glory. Good luck to her and the Middlebury women.

Magicman........good to hear from you and thanks.  A little arm weather for a "Spring" sport would help but so far it's just the fans who seem to be bothered by it. :P  An overdue congrats to the Cardinal women's hockey team on their 2nd consecutive DIII national championship.  Your men's LAX are having a pretty decent season themselves I see. 8-)  Is Cortland still the team to beat in the SUNYAC this year?

Cortland is almost always the team to beat in Men's LAX, Women's LAX and Baseball. They usually win the conference crown in softball as well (but came in 2nd last year to Oneonta)  I don't think this year will be any different. Both the Lacrosse teams are nationally ranked (men 16th, women 6th), baseball team is ranked #2 in the D3 poll. Only the softball team is unranked with a 6-6 record, but they will probably win the SUNYAC conference, having done so in 5 of the last 8 years.

Our Men's Lacrosse team is having a decent season...beat Brockport down there over the weekend, but Cortland will probably prove to be a huge obstacle once again. We came close last year losing to them twice by identical 11-10 scores at their place. We get them at home this year...maybe we can get lucky.

See the CAC won the National Championship in Men's Hockey with Trinity preventing Stevens Point from winning national titles on back to back weekends with a 5-2 win. I watched that game online and it was much closer than the final score indicates. Really a 3-2 game plus the 2 empty net goals in the last minute by the Bantams. Glad a team from the East won it. Trinity eliminated my Cards. It didn't help when the game, which was supposed to be in Plattsburgh got switched to Trinity's rink when the Cardinal women were declared the host of their Final Four. I knew we were doomed when that happened. Still, I think the Bantams would probably have won even if the game was played in Plattsburgh. They were the better team. 

Spring just can't be found here in the North Country. Plattsburgh's baseball team had to travel down to Poughkeepsie to play their 3 "home" games against Oswego State. Played one on Sunday night (we lost 5-2) and tomorrow we play them in a double header at the home field of Bard College. I know the scientists are correct when they speak of global warming and the fact is that this has been one of the warmest years on record...but you'll be hard pressed to find many in the North Country that believe that after the past two winters we've had. :P       
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on March 30, 2015, 02:00:23 pm
Having started the season with great wins over Williams and Amherst (ranked #1 at the time), Bowdoin's had a couple tough weeks.  We lost to Midd on 3/21, and it's almost not fair: in D3 you typically have "very good" but not "amazing" athletes, particularly in NESCAC with its rigorous admissions standards.  So coaching can make a huge difference.  And Midd has 2 National Champion coaches, which is an unfair advantage.  (Think of Bill Belichick and and Don Shula being co-head-coaches of a D3 team).

We gave Trinity a run for their money on 3/28, pulling within 1 until a late 4 goal rally put the game away for the Bantams.  Trinity's coaches are both Bowdoin alums, and young (the assistant was class of 2014), but very, very good.  And the players are spectacular, including a junior on the Teewaraton watch list.

In my mind Trinity and Midd should be #1 and #2 in the country.  (Particularly with the way F&M, Salisbury and Cortland have stumbled this year).  Having watched them back-to-back, I'd give the edge to Trinity.  Add in Hamilton and Colby, and there is some GREAT women's lacrosse being played in NESCAC.  It's almost an unfair DISadvantage for the NESCAC teams, since every game has got to have a loser, and the league is so incredibly tough this year.  Hopefully, SOS counts when it comes time for the NCAA tournament, as Trinity, Midd, Bowdoin, Colby, Hamilton (and maybe Amherst) are all deserving of a trip to the Big Dance in Philly.

The weakness in the game continues to be the inconsistency of the refs.  Last Saturday we had a 3 woman team, 2 of whom were superb, and one was clueless.  Lots of conferences to sort out calls, and a couple of "mystery" calls which I think were just compensation by the good refs for the horrendous calls of their partner.  It's a shame to see the girls work so hard, and get rewarded with capricious calls and non-calls.

I expect Saturday, April 18th will be the D3 Regular Season Game of The Year, when Midd travels to the Coop to face the Bantams.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 31, 2015, 12:45:36 am
Having started the season with great wins over Williams and Amherst (ranked #1 at the time), Bowdoin's had a couple tough weeks.  We lost to Midd on 3/21, and it's almost not fair: in D3 you typically have "very good" but not "amazing" athletes, particularly in NESCAC with its rigorous admissions standards.  So coaching can make a huge difference.  And Midd has 2 National Champion coaches, which is an unfair advantage.  (Think of Bill Belichick and and Don Shula being co-head-coaches of a D3 team).

We gave Trinity a run for their money on 3/28, pulling within 1 until a late 4 goal rally put the game away for the Bantams.  Trinity's coaches are both Bowdoin alums, and young (the assistant was class of 2014), but very, very good.  And the players are spectacular, including a junior on the Teewaraton watch list.

In my mind Trinity and Midd should be #1 and #2 in the country.  (Particularly with the way F&M, Salisbury and Cortland have stumbled this year).  Having watched them back-to-back, I'd give the edge to Trinity.  Add in Hamilton and Colby, and there is some GREAT women's lacrosse being played in NESCAC.  It's almost an unfair DISadvantage for the NESCAC teams, since every game has got to have a loser, and the league is so incredibly tough this year.  Hopefully, SOS counts when it comes time for the NCAA tournament, as Trinity, Midd, Bowdoin, Colby, Hamilton (and maybe Amherst) are all deserving of a trip to the Big Dance in Philly.

The weakness in the game continues to be the inconsistency of the refs.  Last Saturday we had a 3 woman team, 2 of whom were superb, and one was clueless.  Lots of conferences to sort out calls, and a couple of "mystery" calls which I think were just compensation by the good refs for the horrendous calls of their partner.  It's a shame to see the girls work so hard, and get rewarded with capricious calls and non-calls.

I expect Saturday, April 18th will be the D3 Regular Season Game of The Year, when Midd travels to the Coop to face the Bantams.


Kate Perine Livesay is a Middlebury native and starred on what were probably Missy Foote's best teams ever.  I would assume Livesay had her eye on her old coach's job all along but the reasons for playing asst. coach for one season are personal.  Three key performers on this season's squad are daughters of MC's football and women's ice hockey coaches, Katie and Chrissy Ritter and Katie Mandigo.  Allison Aldrich was a key factor in Amherst's 2003 (I think) national championship and her father is the retired coach of MC's women's cross country team that won 5 national titles under his tenure.  We grow our own talent here and even share it from time to time. ;)  As for stacking the deck coaching-wise I remember (just barely) watching a NY Giants football team that had offensive and defensive coordinators named Tom Landry and Vince Lombardi. :o :o 8-)

Who is #1 will be determined on the field and 4 CAC teams usually make the tournament field.  Typically 8 have the talent to deserve it.  Three conference schools, Middlebury, Amherst and Trinity have won 7 national titles, 4 including Hamilton although they won just prior to joining the NESCAC.  Williams and Bowdoin have lost the championship game.  Colby has been as good, if not better than any of them consistently over most of the last decade but haven't managed to clear that last hurdle.  They have owned Middlebury the past 4-5 seasons.  I considered them the best team in the conference last season.

That said, Salisbury, Gettysburg, Franklin & Marshall, TCNJ, Cortland State and a few others I'm blanking on are equally as good year after year.  I thought Cortland was the team that would win it all.  These schools simply play in conferences with fewer legit contenders than the CAC. 

What is exciting though is the rapid growth of the sport elsewhere, particularly in the Midwest.  More conferences are playing it each season and there are some serious programs out there.  I've watching Augustana, in particular, the last two years.  The CCIW is playing it's first sponsored season and the Augies, along with North Central and Carthage give the new league instant credibility.  They have beaten Redlands, the NCAA tournament representative out of the SCIAC , in each of the last two opening rounds.  Two seasons back they won the road game on a Wednesday and then traveled to play host Trinity on Saturday.  Talk about baptism under fire.  Last year they lost to eventual champion Salisbury in the second round.  It was their only loss after 19 victories.  Most of these new programs are only 3-5 years old.  This season both Augustana and Mount Union have beaten Denison, one of the better teams each season in the more established NCAC, by scores comparable to Denison's loss at the hands of Connecticut College.  Redlands opened the season losing to Bates 16-11, to put the talent level of some of the better West/Midwest teams in a NESCAC perspective.  And Independent Colorado College appears to be back after a decade of mediocrity.  Prior to that they made some serious noise in the NCAA tournament even reaching the Final Four.  One more CAC related note, Wis-Concordia has been impressive as well and the young program is coached by Emily Mason, former player at Conn. Coll. and daughter of longtime Williams HC Christine Mason.

There is a lot of exciting women's lacrosse (and men's lax as well) being played out there as interest in the game grows all over the country.  It would be fun if we could have more chatter on this board.

 

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 31, 2015, 10:05:58 am
Vandy74.....good history lesson :).  remember the teams with Allison Aldrich.  Remember chatting with her mother in Baltimore at the Johns Hopkins field.  Those teams had some fine Baltimore bred players...one a transfer from Goucher who became an All- American.  Allison is the AD? at nearby  Deerfield I believe.
I did notice the Caputi player on the MC team defensive side.  She does play a tough game...body checked several Amherst players.
Oh yes....Allison caught my eye...saw a tall graceful player outrunning her defenders down the field to get into scoring position.  No eye googles days
Seems the local Lacrosse players from MD stay around home these days or go to Div1. It is sport that is growing fast around the D.C. Area too....both men and women.
Watched a number of D1 men games this weekend....Duke, UNC, VA, JHU,ND, etc match ups.  Seems that one is beginning to see" upsets" all the time over the long standing power schools.  The talent pool is growing and spreading.  Another thing that indicate the growth of the sport...in both women and men.....the number of young skilled players.  It is reflected in the number of FY starters on the teams these days.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on March 31, 2015, 05:33:11 pm
That's why I visit this page....to get history lessons from Vandy. 8-) I'll try to keep this board updated from time to time on the SUNYAC races for men and women. Just so Vandy gets a little more chatter here. :D
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: middhoops on March 31, 2015, 05:53:41 pm
Hey Vandy, any thought toward starting your own D3 Lacrosse Newsletter?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 31, 2015, 06:48:53 pm
That's why I visit this page....to get history lessons from Vandy. 8-) I'll try to keep this board updated from time to time on the SUNYAC races for men and women. Just so Vandy gets a little more chatter here. :D


Your input on any board is always astute and appreciated magicman.  It's a shame Plattsburgh doesn't play the women's game yet.  Keep campaigning for that. ;)  And as this Middlebury fan knows from experience, if you don't fear Cortland, you were born yesterday. ::)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 31, 2015, 07:13:47 pm
Hey Vandy, any thought toward starting your own D3 Lacrosse Newsletter?

I'd be in way over my head Cuz.  I returned to the area 8-9 years ago.  Missy welcomed me home and drafted me to work the time clock for her home games.  I knew nothing about lacrosse.  I told her that.  She said, "You'll figure it out."  End of discussion.  To some extent I did.  But I also became a big fan of the women's game.  It's different from the way the men play and I enjoy watching that as well but don't follow it as closely. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: middhoops on April 01, 2015, 07:46:18 am
See the 4th entry on this page, then tell us you don't know anything.
That synopsis was more than a little impressive, as I think my friend amh63 noted.  You are a living encyclopedia of this stuff.  Still, the modesty is charming.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 01, 2015, 11:33:11 am

Watched a number of D1 men games this weekend....Duke, UNC, VA, JHU,ND, etc match ups.  Seems that one is beginning to see" upsets" all the time over the long standing power schools.  The talent pool is growing and spreading.  Another thing that indicate the growth of the sport...in both women and men.....the number of young skilled players.  It is reflected in the number of FY starters on the teams these days.

Great points.  Part of what is driving the sport (at least on the women's side) is the simultaneous emergence of 2 factors: The number of colleges and universities which are adding WLAX teams for Title IX purposes, and the emergence of strong club teams that market themselves as a way to get your middle school or high school daughter a college scholarship.

I'm not knocking them, as a lot of talented athletes are making the switch from soccer, field hockey, etc.  and that's great for the sport.  Some of the club teams over-promise and under-deliver, but that's true in any sport.  Our daughter was lucky enough to be on one of the better ones, and she not only got wonderful coaching but also excellent help navigating the college recruiting / admissions process.

And the "FY starters" comment has an interesting dynamic behind it, at least in DIII.  Many of these girls had multiple DI offers, but elected to go DIII.  Partly because they perceived they would get a better education if they weren't an indentured servant of the Athletic Department; in some cases because they wanted to play 2 (or 3!) NCAA sports; and in many cases because they wanted a chance to compete for a starting role as a FY, rather than riding the bench (or not even suiting up) for half of their college careers.  (They all know girls from their club teams who got recruited by Dartmouth or Maryland, never played, and burned out of the sport).

There are some TERRIFIC athletes on the better DIII teams, including some who were recruited / matriculated at a DI program, then transferred to DIII.  (I believe one of the Midd stars may fall into this category).  It really makes the game a joy to watch.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 01, 2015, 08:27:18 pm
Amherst's men's and women's teams rebounded today with wins over Wesleyan.  Women won handily at Middletown....the men's team won by 1....14-13 over the Cardinals on Pratt field...after falling behind by 2 in the first period.

Polarcat....about a decade ago...times fly and my memory is also flying away...there was a Harvard transfer that played Three sports at Amherst.  Was a terrific athlete...started in all the sports, including lacrosse.  One reason was that she wanted the choice to play those sports....not given the choice at Harvard as I understand.  Great student too.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 02, 2015, 06:31:09 am
 The 7th ranked Middlebury men let a 6-2 halftime lead shrink to 6-5 after three quarters before taking charge with 5 unanswered goals to beat Hamilton 11-8 Wednesday afternoon upping their record to 8-2 and 5-1 in the conference.  Playing without the services of team leading scorer Jack Rautiola eight different Panthers put the ball in the net with Henry Riehl scoring thrice.   Next up is Colby (6-3) (2-3) home on Saturday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 02, 2015, 09:45:24 am
One thing for sure in lacrosse....snow and cold does not stop matches. :).  Lots of postponed/cancelled games in other Spring sports.
Amherst will match- up with Williams this weekend.  To me, Williams' men are flying under the radar.
Not too related here....but Middlebury's baseball team arrives for a double header this weekend with the field in " unknown " condition!   Guess it is go on the grass field....in New England....strange weather conditions this season.

Oh yes....saw a "strange" play near the end of the women's battle between Bates and Bowdoin at Bates.  Game tied at 7-7 with about 5 plus minutes to go.  Bates gets the ball...what does one call the lacrosse ball but a ball...after the P'Bears think they scored but did not.  The goalie tries to pass the ball but cannot and seems to be killing time and goes towards the sideline and then loses the ball to Bowdoin.  With the Goalie out of position, Bowdoin scores which ends up to be the final game winner.
Announcer mentions that there was a yellow card on Bates...player down situation?  Whatever, the situation seemed strange to me and I wonder if the Bates' goalie had instructions to kill some time.
Polarcat....did you catch the game?  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on April 02, 2015, 05:44:57 pm
Plattsburgh State men defeated St Lawrence by an 11-7 final score yesterday. The Cardinals had never beaten the Saints until last season and now have done so for the 2nd straight year. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 02, 2015, 06:21:07 pm
Oh yes....saw a "strange" play near the end of the women's battle between Bates and Bowdoin at Bates.  Game tied at 7-7 with about 5 plus minutes to go.  Bates gets the ball...what does one call the lacrosse ball but a ball...after the P'Bears think they scored but did not.  The goalie tries to pass the ball but cannot and seems to be killing time and goes towards the sideline and then loses the ball to Bowdoin.  With the Goalie out of position, Bowdoin scores which ends up to be the final game winner.
Announcer mentions that there was a yellow card on Bates...player down situation?  Whatever, the situation seemed strange to me and I wonder if the Bates' goalie had instructions to kill some time.
Polarcat....did you catch the game?  Any thoughts?

Sorry for the delayed response - a little thing called "work" interfered!

Yep, my wife and I watched the game from beginning to end.  Bates certainly played well - way better than their record might suggest.  The goalie (Hannah Jeffreys) was particularly impressive. 

I have no clue how that Bowdoin goal got called back - another in a long list of inscrutable calls we've been seeing in the CAC this year.  Normally, there are only three "fouls" a shooter can make: charging, "dangerous propelling", (which means rifling a shot right at the goalie or a defender), or "dangerous follow through" (hitting a defender with her stick on the follow through).  As far as we could tell on the broadcast, the Bowdoin attacker (Mettler Grownie, an elfin little powerhouse two sport athlete) did none of those - and dangerous propelling and dangerous follow through are both mandatory cards.  Since Mettler wasn't carded, we have no idea what the refs thought they saw.  But justice was served when Mettler took advantage of the goalie's mistake a minute later and scored the game winner.

Bates got THREE yellow cards during the game, and I can't remember the last time that happened.  Their first year who had been taking the draws (and quite well) drew a second yellow, so she was suspended for the rest of the game.

Each yellow card is a releasable 2 minute penalty, so when Bowdoin scored Bates went back to full strength (though the first year with 2 yellows could not reenter the game).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 03, 2015, 07:36:54 pm
Oh yes....saw a "strange" play near the end of the women's battle between Bates and Bowdoin at Bates.  Game tied at 7-7 with about 5 plus minutes to go.  Bates gets the ball...what does one call the lacrosse ball but a ball...after the P'Bears think they scored but did not.  The goalie tries to pass the ball but cannot and seems to be killing time and goes towards the sideline and then loses the ball to Bowdoin.  With the Goalie out of position, Bowdoin scores which ends up to be the final game winner.
Announcer mentions that there was a yellow card on Bates...player down situation?  Whatever, the situation seemed strange to me and I wonder if the Bates' goalie had instructions to kill some time.
Polarcat....did you catch the game?  Any thoughts?

Sorry for the delayed response - a little thing called "work" interfered!

Yep, my wife and I watched the game from beginning to end.  Bates certainly played well - way better than their record might suggest.  The goalie (Hannah Jeffreys) was particularly impressive. 

I have no clue how that Bowdoin goal got called back - another in a long list of inscrutable calls we've been seeing in the CAC this year.  Normally, there are only three "fouls" a shooter can make: charging, "dangerous propelling", (which means rifling a shot right at the goalie or a defender), or "dangerous follow through" (hitting a defender with her stick on the follow through).  As far as we could tell on the broadcast, the Bowdoin attacker (Mettler Grownie, an elfin little powerhouse two sport athlete) did none of those - and dangerous propelling and dangerous follow through are both mandatory cards.  Since Mettler wasn't carded, we have no idea what the refs thought they saw.  But justice was served when Mettler took advantage of the goalie's mistake a minute later and scored the game winner.

Bates got THREE yellow cards during the game, and I can't remember the last time that happened.  Their first year who had been taking the draws (and quite well) drew a second yellow, so she was suspended for the rest of the game.

Each yellow card is a releasable 2 minute penalty, so when Bowdoin scored Bates went back to full strength (though the first year with 2 yellows could not reenter the game).

Check page 26 of the rule book.  Goals can be disallowed for several reasons that have nothing to do with fouls or carded infractions.  Without having witnessed the event I can only speculate but the most obvious reason would seem that either the Bowdoin player or a teammate inadvertently stepped inside the goal circle.  All they would have needed to do is have any portion of their foot inside the area.  The goal would have also been disallowed if the attacking team was offside.  It's Rule 4, section 9, I believe.  Some possible reasons for the goal not to count have been eliminated by PolarCat's eyewitness account.  There are a few others listed as well.  An attacker inside the goal circle or an offside violation would seem to be the most likely ruling however.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 03, 2015, 09:24:17 pm
Saw that Amherst's women's team won over Williams tonight at home.  It was tied 7-7 at the half but a 2nd half surge of 10 goals by the LJs gave Amherst the win...3-3 in the conference.  Next up is Conn College. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 04, 2015, 07:24:38 am

Check page 26 of the rule book.  Goals can be disallowed for several reasons that have nothing to do with fouls or carded infractions.  Without having witnessed the event I can only speculate but the most obvious reason would seem that either the Bowdoin player or a teammate inadvertently stepped inside the goal circle.  All they would have needed to do is have any portion of their foot inside the area.  The goal would have also been disallowed if the attacking team was offside.  It's Rule 4, section 9, I believe.  Some possible reasons for the goal not to count have been eliminated by PolarCat's eyewitness account.  There are a few others listed as well.  An attacker inside the goal circle or an offside violation would seem to be the most likely ruling however.

So the humble guy at the scorer's table who professes to know nothing about the game starts citing chapter and verse of the rule book?  YIKES!

There was no attacking player in the goal circle (the play would have been called a "break away" in hockey).  While it's possible that Bowdoin was offside, I find it highly unlikely.  They are a very disciplined team, and usually the way an offensive offside is called is when a defender runs a clear into the offensive zone, and a midfielder fails to come back over the restraining line during the clear.  That didn't happen here.

I do wish the videos stayed posted online longer, so that there was some lingering "evidence" to be analyzed.  A teaching moment, as it were.  As it is, it's just my speculation based on my memory (which at my age is going to Hell in an Easter basket).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 04, 2015, 07:29:32 am
Big game day for the NESCAC women today.  Middlebury travels to their nemesis Colby for an 11:00 start, while Hamilton tries to knock off top ranked Trinity in the Coop at noon.  Both games should have National ranking impact.

Conn travels to Bates in what is probably a must win game for either team if they hope to make the tournament.  While Wes travels to Tufts in a game that should be an easy win for the Jumbos.  Bowdoin gets a bit of a respite, taking on non-league Endicott at 3:00.

Happy Easter everyone!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 04, 2015, 05:17:48 pm
Your roving reporter of sorts...
Amherst wins over Williams in Willytown on the men's side.  Amherst led in every period.
On the women's side...Middlebury's beats Colby 7-5 in the featured conference game..as PolarCat cited.  Bowdoin won its out of conference match and the other scores, I forgot while posting :'(
Leave the details to others.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 04, 2015, 06:04:46 pm
Your roving reporter of sorts...
Amherst wins over Williams in Willytown on the men's side.  Amherst led in every period.
On the women's side...Middlebury's beats Colby 7-5 in the featured conference game..as PolarCat cited.  Bowdoin won its out of conference match and the other scores, I forgot while posting :'(
Leave the details to others.

Just got home from a long day of drafting my fantasy baseball team.   I didn't do a very good job.  But that's OT for this board.  Both Middlebury teams won today I see.  I would have loved to attend the men's home game especially after needing to clear two inches of snow off my car this morning.  The women beat a Colby team that has had their number lately. 

PolarCat......I found a PDF download of the rule book a few years back.  I was able to find the site again for an updated version.  When in doubt Google it.  Was play stopped to award the GK ball possession or did she have it after a goal had seemingly been scored but never recognized as such, i.e. the ball went into the net but as far as the refs were concerned she made a save?  Since Bowdoin scored soon afterward it doesn't matter I guess.  You're right.  The officiating too often is  harder to understand than some of the rules themselves.  The disallowing of a goal because the shooter is fouled in the act and then awarded what can be a difficult free position shot bothers me the most.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 04, 2015, 07:40:29 pm
PolarCat......I found a PDF download of the rule book a few years back.  I was able to find the site again for an updated version.  When in doubt Google it.  Was play stopped to award the GK ball possession or did she have it after a goal had seemingly been scored but never recognized as such, i.e. the ball went into the net but as far as the refs were concerned she made a save?  Since Bowdoin scored soon afterward it doesn't matter I guess.  You're right.  The officiating too often is  harder to understand than some of the rules themselves.  The disallowing of a goal because the shooter is fouled in the act and then awarded what can be a difficult free position shot bothers me the most.

We've probably bored and chased off everyone else on this board, but since it's a slow afternoon, I'll respond anyway.

Yes, I have the PDF of the NCAA rules (which differs slightly from the USLacrosse rules).  In the play in question, the ball went into the net, then the refs awarded the ball to Bates.  According to Bowdoin parents in attendance (we were only watching the online broadcast, with an announcer who was pretty clueless), the call was the offender crossed into the crease after shooting.  It sure didn't look that way on TV, nor did it look that way to the parents, but it's an admittedly partisan crowd.

For what it's worth, the team that reffed the Bowdoin / Endicott game today did a MUCH better job.  Pure professionalism from beginning to end.  Hope we can entice them back if we host a playoff game.  (Somewhat unbelievably, today was Senior Day and Bowdoin's last home game of the regular season.  The snowbanks lining Whittier Field are still 4 feet high, and the temperature was still miserable - isn't lacrosse supposed to be a "Spring" sport?  That damn Punxatawney Phil.  I am going to start a gorilla marketing campaign, telling the world that groundhog tastes like chicken.  Maybe I can enlist the help of the cows from the Chick-Fil-A campaign?)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 05, 2015, 10:56:20 am
PolarCat......interesting weather remarks for a person whose family attends schools in Maine and went to schools in NE....one that made Winter Carnival into a legendary event! :)
With regards to your suggestion of an ad campaign.....how about a "flash mob" using the Internet?  Seems that I read somewhere that there was an Amherst person may have come up with the flash mob concept......then again, that maybe another false rumor.

Vandy74.....hope your Cuz is staying out of trouble....and your niece is enjoying her time at Amherst.
Speaking of baseball......Amherst played its two first games against Middlebury in Auburn, Ma.....wherever that is?  Panthers seem to have a poor pitching staff, based on the results :).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on April 06, 2015, 03:09:21 am
Plattsburgh State Men defeated Geneseo State 16-6 on Saturday to improve to 9-3 overall and 2-0 in the SUNYAC. They get a double dose of Red Dragons back to back as they travel to Oneonta State on Wednesday and then host Cortland State on Saturday. Hopefully they won't be looking past the Oneonta Red Dragons in anticipation of the Saturday matchup against the perennial conference champion Cortland Red Dragons.

15th ranked Cortland defeated 10th ranked Ithaca College 11-10 in double overtime on Wednesday April 1st. It was the 3rd straight year that Cortland has defeated Ithaca in overtime. This Saturday's game against Plattsburgh could determine the #1 seed for the SUNYAC playoffs.

Also on Saturday afternoon the Cortland Women ranked #5, defeated 17th ranked Geneseo State 17-7. It was the first loss of the season for the Knights who are now 6-1. The Red Dragons upped their record to 9-1. Three games in the next 7 days for Cortland, all at home, with the biggest game coming next Sunday as they host the 11th ranked Tufts Jumbos. Cortland plays Oneonta on Tuesday and Oswego on Saturday prior to the Tufts matchup. They finish the regular season with 3 conference games, all on the road.   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 06, 2015, 01:08:32 pm
Magicman,

Thanks for breaking up the monotony / monopoly of NESCAC posts here.  Also for striking a blow for gender equality! 

We'll be watching the rest of the Cortland Women's schedule with great interest.  Good for the Jumbo's for making that long bus trip.  They are making the most of their travel budget, playing Hamilton on Saturday and Cortland on Sunday.  It's a mini homecoming for their HC who was co-head coach at Cortland before taking the Tufts position.

Pretty punishing road trip, though, playing two top 10 teams in a 27 hour span.  I expect they will be pretty beat by the time they return home and start preparing for Amherst and Bowdoin.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 06, 2015, 01:17:06 pm
Magicman.....how is it that your Cardinals get good lacrosse players?  Aware that it is a Native American game...any Native American players?...being serious here....Amherst is always looking out for such students with that background...truly.  On that subject, many years ago I was informed that Maine has a large Native American presence....even reservations.  Discussed it recently with a friend who has several pieces of property in Maine, including a family farm...and goes up each summer to keep them in shape.  Where am I going?...who really knows, but I'm thinking if the tribes in Maine play the sport, or are only the tribes of the NY region the originators.  I know, I should look it up online!
Title: Programming Note
Post by: PolarCat on April 06, 2015, 01:59:47 pm
If you're looking for something to watch on Tuesday (yes, Tuesday) evening, the Bowdoin Women's Polar Bears are hosting the Colby White Mules at 7:00 PM, in a battle of top 10 teams.  (The IWCLA Coaches Poll hasn't been released yet today, but I suspect Colby will drop from last week's number 2 spot after their loss to Middlebury, while Bowdoin may move up a spot or two from #7).

The video can be found here: http://nsnsports.net/colleges/bowdoin-college/
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 07, 2015, 03:41:26 pm
Magicman.....how is it that your Cardinals get good lacrosse players?  Aware that it is a Native American game...any Native American players?...being serious here....Amherst is always looking out for such students with that background...truly.  On that subject, many years ago I was informed that Maine has a large Native American presence....even reservations.  Discussed it recently with a friend who has several pieces of property in Maine, including a family farm...and goes up each summer to keep them in shape.  Where am I going?...who really knows, but I'm thinking if the tribes in Maine play the sport, or are only the tribes of the NY region the originators.  I know, I should look it up online!

amh63......not sure if magicman's encyclopedic knowledge of basketball extends to lax and I make no such claims myself but somewhere along the line I learned that the game was initially played by the Algonquin tribes of the St. Lawrence Valley (remember the game being played in a scene from the most recent "Last of the Mohicans" movie) followed by the other Eastern Woodlands tribes, those along the western Great Lakes region and some Plains Indians in what is now Canada.  Since early settlers must have learned it from the Native Americans in their areas it's odd that to any great extent the upper Midwest is only now showing interest.  The exception being in Ohio where schools like Denison and Ohio Wesleyan have men's programs as old if not older than those of some NESCAC schools.  I believe I have mentioned previously a retired Middlebury College English prof friend, Denison '61, who considered playing lacrosse when he realized his high school football ability didn't extend to the college game.  Denison is located in Granville, O., not Dennison, O. btw, which was originally settled by people from Mass. and Conn. who were attracted to the New England-like landscape they had come from.  It is to be assumed they brought a familiarity of the game with them as well.
Title: Re: Programming Note
Post by: Vandy74 on April 07, 2015, 03:43:17 pm
If you're looking for something to watch on Tuesday (yes, Tuesday) evening, the Bowdoin Women's Polar Bears are hosting the Colby White Mules at 7:00 PM, in a battle of top 10 teams.  (The IWCLA Coaches Poll hasn't been released yet today, but I suspect Colby will drop from last week's number 2 spot after their loss to Middlebury, while Bowdoin may move up a spot or two from #7).

The video can be found here: http://nsnsports.net/colleges/bowdoin-college/

Thanks for the heads up PolarCat.  I might just do that.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 07, 2015, 08:49:55 pm
HUGE win for Bowdoin.  One of the best games I've watched in a long time.  I leave it to PolarCat to give the details.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 07, 2015, 10:04:05 pm
Thanks, but I am still hooked up to the defibrillator.  :o

Crazy game.  The Mules jumped out to an early lead, while the Polar Bears had some uncharacteristic lapses on defense, and a couple of early shots that were really just passes to the GK.  My wife and I were fearing the Bears would just fold under the pressure, and the onslaught of a VERY physical Mules team. 

(On a side note: we had this same referee crew two Saturdays ago, and one of them is just absolutely blind and clueless.  The crew completely let the game get out of hand.  I counted THREE checks to the head - one of them to my daughter who told me after the game she was afraid her cornea was scratched - none of which drew a card, which is theoretically mandatory.  If we see the girls all wearing helmets in a couple years, it will be because of crews like this).

Much to their credit, the Lady Bears refused to give up.  A couple of girls had break-out games, and once they were up by two goals, they did a fantastic job of killing the clock, despite Colby double- and triple-teaming all over the field.  Up by 1 with under 3 minutes to go, Bowdoin turned the ball over and we were sure we were headed to OT.  But the defense rose up and shut down Colby's big guns as the clock ran out.

It doesn't get much more exciting than that.  (I do wish that the announcers they hire could take the time to at least read the rule book.  The guy working tonight's game had a pleasing voice - unlike one other school's announcer who is like fingernails on a chalkboard - but clearly didn't have a clue what shooting space, charging, dangerous shooting or 3 second violations were all about).

PS: There were THREE goals called back because the stick checks revealed illegal pockets.  That's got to be some kind of record.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 08, 2015, 01:25:19 am
Thanks, but I am still hooked up to the defibrillator.  :o

Crazy game.  The Mules jumped out to an early lead, while the Polar Bears had some uncharacteristic lapses on defense, and a couple of early shots that were really just passes to the GK.  My wife and I were fearing the Bears would just fold under the pressure, and the onslaught of a VERY physical Mules team. 

(On a side note: we had this same referee crew two Saturdays ago, and one of them is just absolutely blind and clueless.  The crew completely let the game get out of hand.  I counted THREE checks to the head - one of them to my daughter who told me after the game she was afraid her cornea was scratched - none of which drew a card, which is theoretically mandatory.  If we see the girls all wearing helmets in a couple years, it will be because of crews like this).

Much to their credit, the Lady Bears refused to give up.  A couple of girls had break-out games, and once they were up by two goals, they did a fantastic job of killing the clock, despite Colby double- and triple-teaming all over the field.  Up by 1 with under 3 minutes to go, Bowdoin turned the ball over and we were sure we were headed to OT.  But the defense rose up and shut down Colby's big guns as the clock ran out.

It doesn't get much more exciting than that.  (I do wish that the announcers they hire could take the time to at least read the rule book.  The guy working tonight's game had a pleasing voice - unlike one other school's announcer who is like fingernails on a chalkboard - but clearly didn't have a clue what shooting space, charging, dangerous shooting or 3 second violations were all about).

PS: There were THREE goals called back because the stick checks revealed illegal pockets.  That's got to be some kind of record.

In all likelihood Bowdoin's season ender against Tufts will have home field CAC tournament implications.  Very impressive 7-1 finishing run after trailing 4-1 early on.  Solid defensive effort in the closing minutes but truly throughout the entire 2nd half as well.  I don't think I've seen 3 goals nullified by illegal pocket infractions in an entire season, let alone one game.  Odd doesn't begin to describe it.  Your daughter must be very excited and best of luck to her as long as the opposition isn't Middlebury. ;)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 08, 2015, 10:18:40 am
Nice posts guys on the Maine battle.  Did see the early score and watched a bit of the game.  Upset wrt to the Amherst loss to Conn College 11-10; it was 6-5 at the half, Conn.  Did watch the Amherst's game on Gooding field.  Amherst fell behind 2-0 in the rain, but ended the first period 3-2.  It was 6-3 and then 9-4, Amherst going into the last period.....only to see the Camels surge back to 12-10 with a few minutes to go.  Amherst wins 13-10.  Seems expected wins are getting harder and harder as the season heads into tourney time.
Admit that I did not stay with the Bowdoin battle with the Mules...I'm weak!.....went to the WBB title game chit-chat.  Big UConn fan...women's side.  Men's side is too much an example of what is wrong with Big Time Div1 basketball.  Not a fan of  women lacrosse going to headgear.  Rough play turned me off on men's ice hockey.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 10, 2015, 11:14:59 am
Big weekend coming up in the NESCAC.

On the women's side, Tufts travels to Hamilton and Colby travels to Amherst Saturday.  Both games have tournament and national ranking implications.  Wondering how the Continentals will be after their scare at Williams Wednesday?  Also on Saturday, Colby travels to Amherst in what is likely a "must win" game for both teams, while Bates travels to Midd and Wesleyan travels to Williams.  Can Wes secure a win over the Ephs team that folded spectacularly Wednesday?

On Sunday, Bowdoin travels to Conn, while Tufts travels to Cortland straight from the Hamilton game.  Trinity has a rare bye weekend.

On the men's side, Midd travels to an energized Bates team, Amherst travels to struggling Colby, and Tufts hosts Hamilton on Saturday.  It will be interesting to see how the Jumbos rebound from their surprise defeat at Bates.  They travel to 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 11, 2015, 03:03:09 pm
Two great NESCAC games this afternoon.  Hamilton prevailed over Tufts, and Amherst had an amazing buzzer beater quick stick goal over Colby in OT.  (No other surprises, as Williams and Midd both won easily.)  Bowdoin plays Conn tomorrow, and Trinity has a bye.

This could be a tough road trip for Tufts.  It was a very physical game in Clinton, and then jump right from the frying pan into the fire tomorrow when they take on Cortland.  It will be interesting to see how their second year coach can handle the emotions, and the long bus ride home.

We saw some typical NESCAC non-calls in both the Hamilton and Amherst games - checks to the head, vicious cross checks in the back, but only one card that I saw.  The announcer in the Amherst game even said that some DI programs are pushing for body armor and helmets, so they can be even MORE aggressive.  Anybody got some VC funds and want to start a company manufacturing girls' helmets?  I think they're going to be required sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 11, 2015, 03:29:54 pm
Easy win for Middlebury over Bates this afternoon.  18-6.  A large crowd turned out as many former players are in town for Coach Missy Foote's retirement dinner this evening.  An alumni game is scheduled for tomorrow.  The Panther men fared less well losing 14-9 in Lewiston.  Amherst over Colby?  An interesting season for the Lady Js.  The top 4 seeds in the NESCAC tournament are really up for grabs.  I hope to chime in with more later but right now I need to find that coat and tie. ::)   Should be a fun evening. ;)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on April 13, 2015, 05:56:14 am
The 5th ranked Cortland women defeated #10 Tufts by a 14-8 score on Sunday afternoon. The Red Dragons built leads of 5-1 and 8-2 but 2 late first half goals by the Jumbos made it 8-4 at the half. Cortland led 9-6 and 10-7 with 8 minutes left to play, but scored 3 unanswered goals over the next several minutes to take a commanding 13-7 advantage. Both teams added 1 more goal  ti make the 14-8 final. 

Cortland improves to 12-1 on the season while the Jumbos fall to 9-4.   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on April 13, 2015, 06:08:01 am
The Cortland men's team popped Plattsburgh's State bubble once again as they defeated the host Cardinals on Saturday afternoon by a 15-9 score. The Red Dragons left no doubt as to who the better team was that day as they jumped out to a 6-0 lead after the 1st period and increased it to 12-3 at the half. Cortland would lead by 10 goals at 15-5 in the 4th quarter before the Cardinals scored 4 time in the final 4 minutes to close the gap but never really threaten. Once again it looks like the SUNYAC championship will be decided on Cortland's home field. Cortland ranked #13 improved to 8-4 and 3-0 in the SUNYAC. Plattsburgh is now 9-5 overall and 2-2 in the YAC.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on April 13, 2015, 06:16:06 am
Magicman.....how is it that your Cardinals get good lacrosse players?  Aware that it is a Native American game...any Native American players?...being serious here....Amherst is always looking out for such students with that background...truly.  On that subject, many years ago I was informed that Maine has a large Native American presence....even reservations.  Discussed it recently with a friend who has several pieces of property in Maine, including a family farm...and goes up each summer to keep them in shape.  Where am I going?...who really knows, but I'm thinking if the tribes in Maine play the sport, or are only the tribes of the NY region the originators.  I know, I should look it up online!

amh63,

Most of the Cardinal lax players come from Long Island, the Capital Distict of NY (Albany area) or Central New York. There are several Native American communities close by (3 within a 60 mile radius) but I don't recall any of those players attending Plattsburgh. Do recall several of them attending DI schools but couldn't tell you where or when. Just remember reading about a few students that went on to play at some of the bigger schools over the years. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 13, 2015, 10:53:52 am
Magicman.....thanks for your response!  Crazy weather has Spring sports in the conference scrambling for rematches and places to play...except for the "stick game".  The Lady Jeffs are indeed having an up and down season...due much to their opponents....hope they are learning to play better team ball. Young team.  Saw them in the Final Four last season at Gettysburg, Pa.live.

Interesting that the game is trending to rough play on the women's side.  Yes, it was always.a rough game on the men's side.  In my day, a number of the players played both lacrosse and football...even played UMass down the road.  It was the days that the Div1 JHU players also played football to keep in shape.  On the men's side, it has become faster and more skilled, imo, with hockey like line changes.

With the recent posts on goal eliminations due to illegal stick web...it finally hit me why I now see the women players DROP their sticks after a score.  Seems the men's game do not do this...not on the Div1 level.  How did this routine come about on the women's side?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 13, 2015, 11:44:11 am
Probably the most famous Native American men's players in the recent past are Miles and Lyle Thompson, members of the Onandaga Nation who played at Albany.  They were co-winners of the Tewaaraton last year.  On the women's side, first year Selena Lasota is a member of the Katzie Nation, and is leading #5 ranked Northwestern in goals, assists and caused turnovers.  She may well rewrite the record book for that storied program by the time she graduates.

amh63, I got some additional information on that crazy, three-goals-called-back Colby-Bowdoin game.  The two goals which were disallowed for Colby were indeed for illegal pockets.  The Bowdoin goal was not.  Lindsey Picard (who takes the draws for the Polar Bears), actually broke her shaft scoring the goal.  She dropped her stick afterward as required by the rules.  But between the emotion of scoring and the concern for replacing her stick before the draw, she picked it back up before the refs could check her pocket.  So the disallowed Bowdoin goal was for an (understandable) mistake, not because of a problem with the pocket.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 13, 2015, 01:49:01 pm
Breaking NESCAC WLAX news:  Amanda Belichick (Bill's daughter and the recipient of that notorious kiss after the Super Bowl) has stepped down as Wesleyan coach. 

When ESPN did a story on Amanda, Wes AD Mike Whalen said The Hoodie told him, "If she doesn't do the job, you run her out of town like anybody else."  (2:05 in this video: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9981970 ).  Looks like that was prophetic.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 13, 2015, 06:15:22 pm
PolarCat....thanks for the clarification and the coach resignation at Wesleyan. Sad it did not work out.
It seems that there is growing pressure on coaches all around the CAC....even the recent "retirement" of the long time coach at Bates.
Amherst has a FY coach..and staff...in softball.  Third coach in the last 3-5 years, I believe.  The other FY coach is in men's tennis..different secenario there.  The former coach who built a power program at Amherst left to coach at the Naval Academy after his Amherst team won the National title last sear.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 15, 2015, 10:00:23 am
Couple of key WLAX games this afternoon and evening.  At 5:00 Hamilton (ranked #4 in NESCAC, #7 Nationally) hosts Middlebury (#2 in NESCAC, #2 Nationally).   Link to the streaming video can be bound here: http://nsnsports.net/colleges/hamilton/

At 7:00, TCNJ (ranked #8 nationally, and fresh from their 10-3 road upset of Salisbury) hosts #1 Trinity.  (Somewhat unbelievably, there appears to be NO streaming video of this key match up.  (Maybe Chris Christie should step away from the pizza, get off the campaign trail and take time away from his man crush on Jerry Jones to address that?)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 15, 2015, 11:17:18 am
Nah...Gov. Christie is up in New Hampshire trying to gleem the votes he is losing in his own state not addressing such D3 issues :)
Remember going to Salisbury, Md. to see a game.  TCNJ seems to also be a school that is always in the chase for a lacrosse title....the preferred choice of the Jersey girls for D3 lacrosse?  Remember going to another  Jersey school...near the Delaware state line for a post season game....area of grape growing and a history of early Swedish immigrants.  Mind going blank on the college name.

Vandy....where are you?  Let me know if you need a tie...got a lot of Purple ones..seems to be a color for power pundits.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 15, 2015, 03:13:47 pm
amh63.........I'm still here.  Computer issues lately. >:(  Thanks for the offer of the purple tie.  That would go over huge here I'm sure. ;)  Big game for the Panthers at Hamilton this afternoon as PolarCat has already mentioned.  It's hard to believe that TCNJ doesn't have video capability.  THE most successful women's LAX program.  13-5 in the championship game from '85-'06.   They haven't won it all since but are still always in the hunt.  The HC at Vandy is Cathy Swezey who my sister-in-law remembers well.  Until this season Vandy's top asst. coach had been Susan Pley Ellis.  Both were All-Americans at then-called Trenton State.  Grads of class of '96 who defeated the Panthers for the national title.  Middlebury is 3-0 against them since.  Coaches Swezey and Ellis took Vandy to the DI Final Four 5-6 seasons back.  The first "Western" women's lax team to advance that far.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 15, 2015, 07:02:17 pm
Huge win for the Panther women 12-10 over Hamilton.  Off to Trivia at the local pub so no time to elaborate.  This one was a real nail biter.  Considering these teams could well meet again not only in the NESCAC tournament but even later on in the NCAAs one wonders if winning this one was the best thing to do in the long run.  Best season in the always highly competitive CAC I've seen in a long time. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 15, 2015, 07:33:39 pm
I watched it too, and Vandy is right.  Hamilton twice rallied from a 4 goal deficit to tie the game, only to have Midd pull ahead.  Superb play by both GK's; I believe Hamilton's had a career high 11 saves, and Midd's had 11 or 12.  They have a different brand of refs in Clinton: as in last week's defeat of Tufts, there were cross checks and checks to the head galore, and VERY few calls of shooting space.  I saw one of the Panthers drive to the goal and get quadruple-teamed, with no whistle and no SS call.  I am very, very glad we won't be travelling to Upstate for the NESCAC tournament.

Up two goals, Midd did play keep-away for the last 4 minutes or so.  I'd love to see the NCAA try a shot clock; I think it would improve the game.

The big surprise of the night is that TCNJ is SLAUGHTERING #1 ranked Trinity, up 5-1 with 8 minutes to go in the first half.

UPDATE:  Amazing rally by Trinity, rattling off 6 straight goals while holding the Lions scoreless, to take a 7-5 lead into halftime.  Wow.  I can't believe Snookie and her friends can't provide video, since this is clearly an amazing game.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 15, 2015, 08:59:37 pm
Trinity was nothing short of amazing tonight.  From a 1-5 start they rallyed to win 15-8.  Martha Griffin was on fire - 5 goals and 2 assists.  Regardless of the sentimental feelings for Missy, Trinity's first year coach Katy Dissinger has to be a solid favorite for COTY.  She had huge shoes to fill following Kate Livesay's departure, but tonight proved she's the real deal.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 15, 2015, 11:22:04 pm
Trinity was nothing short of amazing tonight.  From a 1-5 start they rallyed to win 15-8.  Martha Griffin was on fire - 5 goals and 2 assists.  Regardless of the sentimental feelings for Missy, Trinity's first year coach Katy Dissinger has to be a solid favorite for COTY.  She had huge shoes to fill following Kate Livesay's departure, but tonight proved she's the real deal.

That's why they're #1 PolarCat.  I expect them to want to send a little message to their ex-HC when they host the Panthers on Saturday.  After that Middlebury finishes at home against always dangerous Williams.  The Panthers could well have needed to win that game just to have a home field in the quarterfinals.  Today's victory was huge.  And you're right, great GK play on both sides. 

Personally I'm not a fan of the shot clock idea.  Playing keep away for 2-3 minutes is not easy.  It's rather difficult, especially with the more shallow cross nets allowed in the women's game.  I've talked to many men familiar with the game who when playing catch with a daughter or girl friend and using the women's sticks were embarrassed by their inability to do it.  Midd turned it over once in the closing 2 minutes as I recall and was lucky enough to get it back.  I don't like the clock in basketball either.  But I'm a dying breed and I know it. :( :( ;)  What I would like to see is a continuation rule in scoring while being fouled.  The Panthers lost what at the time was a very important goal in the 2nd half.  I don't understand the reasoning behind the rule.  It's supposed to be to protect the players but doesn't a defender know she is beaten and doesn't the fact that a goal will be nullified for a free position shot that's a 30-40% chance at best make committing the foul the smart thing to do?  Where's the protective factor at work there?  IMHO :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 16, 2015, 12:23:52 pm
Caught a bit of the Amherst win over near by Mt. Holyoke...15-5 or something like that.  Anyway, in the closing minute or so, the Amherst players were playing keep away.  The other teams goal was empty and Amherst did not want to score  a needless goal.
Bored with the evening news channels and went to watch a big time Div 1 women's lacrosse battle.  No. 1 Maryland, playing its first in the Big Ten....undefeated at 14-0....was playing the #12 ranked Johns Hopkins Un. team at Homewood field.  Got an education while looking over the "changes " on the stadium. 
Seems that the Terps' use more of a man to man defense and let their goalie prevail.  The defensive players are recruited for their speed and athletic skills vice their stick skills....to be developed  later.  Seems to work for the defending national champs.  The women announcer was educating the man announcer over the differences between the men and women game and the recent changes.  One had to do with the number of players on the offensive side...even in a player down situation.  There was a discussion of when a ref pulls out a yellow card/flag but puts it back when a player scores.  Did not really understand the points enough to even correctly post them here!  Not many yellow flags even when players were knocked down.  Even saw a penalty call on an offensive player after knocking down a defensive player that had her feet set...like in basketball!
Announcers..both former players....did point out that the women players do not have the skill set to attack the goal like the men.  Even saw a long fast break pass that led to a quick goal by Maryland.
The Terp Goalie was wearing a helmet much like the men players..thought of PolarCat's comment.  Many of the Maryland players are homegrown.  JHU's has a tall young player of great skill from Newton Mass!...parents watching...great overall skill set....possible future star.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 16, 2015, 02:08:42 pm
amh63,

A friend's daughter plays for the Terp's.  She was also on the same club team as my daughter, though 2 years older.  An absolute STUD on the prep school and club circuit, she mostly rides the pine for Maryland.  Their recruiting, talent and depth is amazing.  Not sure she wouldn't have been happier in D3, playing every minute.

There is a difference between a yellow flag and a yellow card.  A yellow flag means a foul has occurred, but play will continue while the offense has possession.  We love yellow flags; nothing is more frustrating than when an attacker is wide open to shoot, but the ref blows the whistle and stops play.  In contrast, a yellow card is given for a major foul, the offending player is out of the game for 2 minutes or until the other team scores.  (It's a "releasable" foul).  Two yellow cards in one game and the player is ejected.

Just like in basketball, an attacker can be called for "charging" - bowling into a defender whose feet are set.  It's a call that some refs make more than others.  Some of the NY refs are VERY lenient in calling it, to the point where some of the Upstate players adopt some Marshawn Lynch moves.

I heard a rumor that Northwestern and some other D1 programs are arguing for helmets and body armor, to allow the girls to be even more aggressive.  I hope that never happens; it would turn this fast, elegant game into a slugfest.  One of the problems D1 programs have is with athletes' body image: the girls spend inordinate amounts of time in the weight room, and some of the girls wind up looking like fireplugs.  Not a problem if you are a guy, but not an attractive look for a co-ed.

Worse, coaches check their players' body fat content / BMI, and tales of anorexia abound.  Which is yet another reason I'm thrilled my PolarKitten is playing D3.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 18, 2015, 03:39:31 pm
Amherst teams played Tufts this afternoon.  Good news and bad news.  Good news is Amherst men's team had a big statement win over Tufts...12-6  at home..  Bad news is the women's team lost to Tufts in OT, 11-10...two closely matched teams.  Game was in Medford.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: middhoops on April 18, 2015, 04:33:28 pm
Well, Vandy; 'twould seem Trinity sent the message you referenced.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 18, 2015, 05:40:38 pm
Well, Vandy; 'twould seem Trinity sent the message you referenced.

'Twould seem indeed. :(  Not a big surprise though.  Trinity wasn't about to lose at home on Senior day against their ex-HC visiting for the first time.  Home field for the semis and finals in the CAC tournament most likely on the line as well.  But no denying the Bantams look like the cream of the conference once again.  Only a 11-10 season opening loss to Colby blemishes the Trinity record.  Except for a 7-6 road win over Washington College only one opponent has lost by as few as 5 goals.  Very strong out of conference schedule.  Remarkable.   

Am I correct that the Bowdoin-Tufts game on Wednesday night is for a top 4 seed and home field in the quarterfinals? I don't see a video option.  Is that possible?  :( 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 18, 2015, 11:10:55 pm
While I'm not surprised the Bant's won, I was very surprised by the score.  An old fashioned beat-down.  Trin is nothing short of a juggernaut.  My hat will really be off to F&M or Cortland if they can catch Trinity on a bad day and prevail for the NCAA Championship.

Vandy, right now the NESCAC Tournament seeds look like this:

1. Trinity, 8-1.  They play Amherst on Wednesday, and should solidify their position unless amh63 gives the Jeff-ette's an incredible pre-game pep talk.

2. Middlebury 7-2.  The same record as my Polar Bears, but they beat us head-to-head, so my understanding is they get the better seed.  They host Williams on Wednesday.  Can the Ephs rally to make a statement?  I'm not counting on it.

3. Bowdoin, 7-2.  We travel to a talented Tufts team Wednesday, who will be hoping to upset us and squeak into hosting the first round.  I think we're up to the challenge, but hey, this is NESCAC so anything can happen.

4. Hamilton, 7-3.  The Continentals have concluded NESCAC play, and face Ithaca Wednesday.  Even if Tufts tops Bowdoin and Hamilton finishes with the same record as Bowdoin, we beat the Continentals head-to-head (in OT).

5. Tufts, 6-3.  This is where it gets interesting.  If the Jumbo's beat the Polar Bears on Wednesday, Bowdoin, Hamilton and Tufts will finish with identical 7-3 records.  The Cont's beat the Jumbo's and the Jumbo's will have beaten the Polar Bears. Who gets the #3, #4 and #5 seeds in that scenario?  Damned if I know; I'll just keep my glass half full and believe that Bowdoin will prevail in Medford.

6. Colby 5-4.  If the Mules beat  Bates Wednesday, they'll finish at 6 - 4, which still won't be enough to get them home field for the first round.  They will be a VERY formidable opponent, and I am hoping that the plucky Bates team will make a statement and beat them (in OT?)

7. Amherst, 4-5.  They face Trinity Wednesday.  Barring a major miracle (or a communicable disease laying waste to Trinity), the Jeff-ette's will finish a disappointing 4-6.

8. Williams 3-6.  Baring a miracle, they don't stand a chance against Midd Wednesday.  And even if the Ephs and Jeff-ette's somehow both prevail, Amherst has the head-to-head win and gets the #7 seed.  The best they can hope for is a bus ride from Willytown to the Coop.

Bottom line: Tufts - Bowdoin may be the key match-up of the coming week.  Although "Video" is not showing on the Tufts, Bowdoin or NESCAC websites, I'd be amazed if they don't provide it.  I watched the very-professionally-produced broadcast of the OT today, and can't imagine the Jumbo's wouldn't televise what will arguably be the biggest regular season game of their year.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 19, 2015, 01:09:14 am
PolarCat,

It is my understanding that Bowdoin must win on Wednesday night.  I think records against higher seeds come into play as a second tie-breaker system but I am not 100% sure of that.  If I am correct, however, Tufts has a win over Middlebury.  Other than #1 Trinity, the Panthers have beaten everyone else in the potential 7-3 pool.   One more thing to consider is the seeding if Tufts does beat Bowdoin and the Ephs, playing with nothing to lose catch a Panther team down from the effects of their loss today.  That would make MC a 7-3 team as well and with the loss to Tufts would become the #3 seed rather than #2.  I drink a toast here to Panther and Polar Bear victories this mid-week. 8-)

As for the decisive Trinity victory this afternoon, I repeat I am impressed but not overwhelmed.  While the Panthers are obviously driven to send their coach out on top Trinity is just as focused to win it all.   No present Bantam, barring a possible but unlikely red shirt, has failed to play in the championship game.  After an 8-7 victory over Salisbury in 2012 they were the ones who were trounced in the final the following two seasons.  Don't be misled by last year's 9-6 score.  It was 5-0 at the half and 9-2 at @17:00.  Three of Trinity's last four goals were free position shots.  In the semi-final game they handed #1 Cortland it's only defeat winning 8-7.  Down 5-4 at the half, the Bantams scored 4 unanswered to lead 8-5 at 9:07.  Cortland made it a one score margin with about a minute and a half left.  Salisbury had a much easier time against Amherst.  The LJ defense kept it close and Amherst trailed only 3-2 at the half but the the 2nd 30 minutes were all Sea Gulls.  I was present at both Trinity's and Cortland's victories over the Panthers during the regular season and considered Cortland the better team.  Trinity was tired and came out flat.  By the time they found themselves it was too late.  They were certainly a team very capable of beating the Sea Gulls.  In all of this talk about the NESCAC let's not overlook the fact that Cortland has been beaten only once this year.  An early season 13-11 road loss to Salisbury is something you can be sure is on their minds as well. ;)  At least a dozen half teams not mentioned here belong in the post season conversation as well.  There is a lot of lacrosse left to be played and nothing is etched in stone.
 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 19, 2015, 09:08:00 am
Vandy,

I will defer to your expertise, as I can't follow all the seeding rules myself.  (I think somewhere in the tie-breaker process they include "number of read-headed players named Phoebe" and "number of coaches born in a month without an R in it").

I will join you in bellying up to the bar Wednesday and drinking to the Panther and Polar Bear victories.  And I may even do a rickety keg stand if the Bobcats and their superb GK can rally and knock off the Mules.  Should be a pretty fun tailgate in Medford ... unless we're drowning our sorrows.

I certainly didn't mean to slight the rest of Division 3, and F&M is another team I think could go all the way. My earlier post was specifically about the NESCAC Tournament, and the NCAA Tournament will pose another set of challenges, but I don't want to look too far ahead.

It would be great if we could get some posters on here from other conferences (and dare I say it, some more MEN'S lacrosse posts, too).  But until we do, you, middhoops, amh63 and I will have to keep this forum going.   :D
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 19, 2015, 11:17:56 am
Several odds and ends on other matters.
I have been mentioning to my daughter to take my granddaughter to a lacrosse game....kid likes to run and is becoming fast and athletic, etc.....though only 7.  Probably will be a swimmer.  Anyway, they live in the village of Groton...closer to Cortland than Ithaca.  They have been to Cortland to watch sports....NY Jets training camp....and have gone to nearby contests when Amherst teams show up....did I mention my daughter is an alumnae? :)
There is a fine lacrosse player on the men's team...a soph from the Delbarton School in N.J....with the name Killian.  Yes, he is the younger brother of the fine MBB player Killian'14....though about 4 inch shorter but just as athletic and competitive.
Yes, there is something about playing on one's home field on a special day.  Watched the second half of the JHU homecoming game in Baltimore yesterday.  Hopkins destroyed Michigan in a Big Ten game....the Blue Jays in the Big Ten?  The Jay's coach did not start its Captain Goalie who is a senior even...but he basically shut out the Big Blue team when he finally came in.  The 2nd half was like the Varsity playing against the J.V.s. Yes, special games at home can be misleading.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 19, 2015, 11:19:06 am
Vandy,

I will defer to your expertise, as I can't follow all the seeding rules myself.  (I think somewhere in the tie-breaker process they include "number of read-headed players named Phoebe" and "number of coaches born in a month without an R in it").

I will join you in bellying up to the bar Wednesday and drinking to the Panther and Polar Bear victories.  And I may even do a rickety keg stand if the Bobcats and their superb GK can rally and knock off the Mules.  Should be a pretty fun tailgate in Medford ... unless we're drowning our sorrows.

I certainly didn't mean to slight the rest of Division 3, and F&M is another team I think could go all the way. My earlier post was specifically about the NESCAC Tournament, and the NCAA Tournament will pose another set of challenges, but I don't want to look too far ahead.

It would be great if we could get some posters on here from other conferences (and dare I say it, some more MEN'S lacrosse posts, too).  But until we do, you, middhoops, amh63 and I will have to keep this forum going.   :D

Keep your eyes on the women's  CCIW. The top three (Augustana, Carthage and North Central) will battle it out for position in the tournament semi's. As of today, Augie is undefeated in conference and ends the regular season with a game on Wednesday against Carthage (also undefeated in conference play) and Saturday against North Central. North Central just lost a 13-15 decision to Carthage.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 21, 2015, 01:00:08 pm
I've done a little research and here is how I THINK the NESCAC Tournament seeds are determined.

If Trinity, Middlebury and Bowdoin all win Wednesday, they will be the 1, 2 and 3 seeds, with Hamilton hosting the 4th game.  But if Tufts beats Bowdoin Wednesday, Bowdoin, Hamilton and Tufts would each finish with 7-3 conference records.  Per the NESCAC Championship Manual (http://static.psbin.com/5/2/v1520b1bt8iht0/W_Lax_Manual_2015.pdf ), in the event of a 3-way tie, the first tie-breaker is head-to-head victories.  Bowdoin beat Hamilton, Hamilton beat Tufts, and Tufts would have beaten Bowdoin, so there’s no clear winner there.

The second tie-breaker is number of conference wins, but we’d all have 7 and still be tied.

The third tie-breaker is record against the top 4 teams, including all teams tied for the 4th spot: i.e. the record vs. Trinity, Midd, Bowdoin, Hamilton and Tufts.  The respective records would be:
•   Tufts: 2-2 (losses to Trinity and Hamilton).
•   Bowdoin: 1-3 (losses to Trinity, Midd and Tufts)
•   Hamilton:  1-3 (losses to Trinity, Midd and us)

As I read the rules, Tufts would get the 3 seed.  Bowdoin and Hamilton would then go back through the tie-breaker process, and Bowdoin would get #4 seed based on our head-to-head victory, and Hamilton would be taking the long bus ride to Brunswick for a rematch of the OT regular season thriller.  But this is my first time through the process, and my head hurts trying to sort it all out. 

There is also an outside chance that FOUR teams could wind up at 7-3, in the (unlikely) event Williams upsets Middlebury.  (After all, it IS the NESCAC, and these things can happen). 

For what it's worth, the NESCAC Calendar now says Quarterfinals will be hosted by Trinity (vs. Williams), Middlebury (vs. TBA) and Bowdoin (v. TBA) with the final match TBA v. TBA at TBA: http://www.nescac.com/sports/wlax/2014-15/schedule
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 21, 2015, 01:52:10 pm
PolarCat...nice work....but I now got a headache!  Plus K anyway
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 21, 2015, 11:43:57 pm
PolarCat...nice work....but I now got a headache!  Plus K anyway

amh63.....I am in complete agreement.........pass the Advil. :P ;)   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 22, 2015, 07:11:31 am
#7 Hamilton closed their regular season yesterday with a loss to unranked Ithaca. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 22, 2015, 10:39:46 am
Tufts has FINALLY posted a link to video for tonight's key WLAX match up with Bowdoin: http://www.packnetwork.com/tufts/
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: MUC57 on April 22, 2015, 03:35:42 pm

Can someone not from NESCAC chime in?
Thanks gang for keeping a board going about LaCrosse (or is it lacrosse?). I'm an old Mount Union alum and therefore; follow the football team closely. Last year I started following lacrosse-both men's and women's and really got into it! Although I am still trying to learn the rules, it's a great sport. I have also read a little on the history, you know, Indian tribes playing a game with a ball and some sticks.
Last year the women's team won the OAC championship, in just their 2nd season, went on to the NCAA tournament where they won the first game then lost to Cortland State. At present, they are ranked 18 by Lacrosse Magazine with a record of 14-0.
I guess the point is it's more fun watching a good team. That certainly fuels the interest.
I also know they are probably not ready for "prime time" yet. Too many good teams in the East. Ah well, still a great sport.
Good luck to all the NESCAC teams and all who play-women and men!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: middhoops on April 22, 2015, 08:35:37 pm
All right!
NCF isn't alone any more.
Welcome MUC57.  Please post often.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 23, 2015, 08:47:54 am
All right!
NCF isn't alone any more.
Welcome MUC57.  Please post often.

I was alone?? ??? ??? :o :o ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 23, 2015, 10:18:15 am
Exciting final night of regular season play in the NESCAC last evening.  After a year of great play, but winding up on the wrong end of many close scores, Bates ended its season with a 9-8 upset of Colby.  Wesleyan with its interim head coach ended its NESCAC victory drought with a 15-7 beat down of Conn College.

Up in Amherst, #1 Trinity held off a great effort by the Lady Jeffs to prevail 12-7.  Martha Griffin turned in another stellar performance, with 5 goals, 2 assists and 2 CTO's.  She's really a force to be reckoned with.

Williams faced #3 Middlebury in a great, back-and-forth game, that saw the Ephs battle back from an early 3-1 deficit to go up 7-5, with the Panthers in turn battling back to finally prevail 13-11. 

We were at the cold, rainy, windy Bowdoin-Tufts game.  The Tufts coaches did a superb job of coaching the Jumbos up and motivating them.  With a fast paced attack and some creative offensive schemes, Tufts jumped out to a 5-2 lead midway through the first half.  To their great credit, the Polar Bears didn't panic, and a couple of great adjustments saw them battle back taking a 6-6 tie into halftime.  In the second half, Bowdoin put its paw on the pedal and never let up, leg by superb play by their defense and a great outing between the pipes by FY GK Kayli Weiss.  Ultimately, the game was decided by conditioning: midway through the second the Jumbo's were totally gassed, and the Polar Bears' run and gun offense had them on their heels.  A great game to watch, despite the miserable conditions.

The NESCAC quarter finals are this Saturday:

#1 Trinity hosts #8 Williams
#2 Middlebury hosts #7 Amherst
#3 Bowdoin hosts #6 Colby
#4 Hamilton hosts #5 Tufts (a VERY long bus ride for the Jumbo's)

It's going to be a REALLY fun Saturday!


Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 23, 2015, 10:21:48 am
And in non-NESCAC news: Carol Cantele's #6 Gettysburg Bullets surprised Mike Faith's #2 F&M Diplomats 14-11.  It looks like the Bullets will be the top seed in the Centennial Conference tournament.  Who'd a thunk it?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 23, 2015, 11:19:20 pm

Can someone not from NESCAC chime in?
Thanks gang for keeping a board going about LaCrosse (or is it lacrosse?). I'm an old Mount Union alum and therefore; follow the football team closely. Last year I started following lacrosse-both men's and women's and really got into it! Although I am still trying to learn the rules, it's a great sport. I have also read a little on the history, you know, Indian tribes playing a game with a ball and some sticks.
Last year the women's team won the OAC championship, in just their 2nd season, went on to the NCAA tournament where they won the first game then lost to Cortland State. At present, they are ranked 18 by Lacrosse Magazine with a record of 14-0.
I guess the point is it's more fun watching a good team. That certainly fuels the interest.
I also know they are probably not ready for "prime time" yet. Too many good teams in the East. Ah well, still a great sport.
Good luck to all the NESCAC teams and all who play-women and men!

MUC57.....Welcome aboard.  I'm glad to see a Mt. Union poster.  What the Raiders have done in 3 short seasons is quite amazing.  Now if a few Augustana fans would chime in........  Part of me would tend to agree that your women's team is not (quite) ready for prime time as you say but they do have an intriguing win over Fredonia in the SUNYAC to their credit.  Only one other team has beaten Fredonia and that is #4 (last I checked) Cortland.  It's not just that lone score either.  Fredonia beat Wooster 13-11.  Wittenberg just handed Wooster their first conference defeat 18-12.  Wittenberg is undefeated in NCAC play.  Mt. Union beat Wittenberg 12-9 so there is a second meaningful game to compare.   And Augustana, btw, defeated Wittenberg 17-11.  Mt. Union is #21 in the coaches' poll that I am familiar with.  Augustana is #24.  Both seem very capable of making some noise come NCAA tournament time.  Hopefully the competition in the OAC will improve as interest in the sport grows.  Augustana is tested in conference play by Carthage and North Central, two other very good developing women's programs.   And it's "lacrosse" fyi. ;)

As for the NESCAC I see that the tournament seedings turned out as they should have.  Not to say that any upset in the conference quarterfinals would be a huge surprise except possibly Williams upending Trinity.  I confess I forgot all about Middlebury's game with Williams yesterday.  It rained all day here and chilly as well.  Just once I'd like to see the Panthers play in Spring-like weather.  The last two seasons have been brutal.  The forecast for this Saturday isn't promising. :( :P

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 24, 2015, 10:27:21 am
Watched a bit of a lot of CAC lacrosse on Wednesday.  Seems the underdogs both in men's and women's teams did not go out easily.  Amherst's men's team had a battle in the Coop and finally prevailed by a goal.  Though they are the top seed for the upcoming tourney...it seems that all the lower seeds gave them a battle....yes, the Panthers were the only team to beat them in the conference and it was at home!  Lots of sport matches against Middlebury's teams this weekend.
Speaking about weather conditions.....it snowed this morning...again...near Ithaca!  I posted elsewhere that Amherst's baseball team has not played a single game to date on it's home field.  This weekend's games are being played at UMass.  One of the advantages of being surrounded by a number of schools. :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 25, 2015, 01:42:37 pm
 North Central  will add men's will add lacrosse for the 2016-17 season. They will also add Women's Triathlon (an emerging NCAA sport).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 25, 2015, 04:42:59 pm
What an amazing day in the NESCAC WLAX quarter finals.  All 4 games decided by one goal. 

#8 seed Williams led #1 seed Trinity 7-5 at halftime, and was up 10-6 with 22 minutes left in the second half.  Then the Bantams fired off 5 straight goals while holding the Ephs scoreless to win 11-10.

Meanwhile, #7 seed Amherst and #2 seed Middlebury swapped the lead back and forth 5 times.  With 19:10 to go, the Lady Jeffs were up 8-5 and appeared ready to end the Panthers' season.  But Midd fought back scoring 4 unanswered goals to preserve their #2 seed.

Things wee only slightly less crazy in Brunswick.  In the first half, #6 seed Colby held a one-goal lead over #3 seed Bowdoin five separate times, only to have the Polar Bears fight back and take an 8-6 lead into halftime.  Colby scored 5 times in the second half, and put extreme pressure on Bowdoin, with the Polar Bears turning the ball over 7 times.  But in the end, Colby killed their chances with penalties: When the two teams met during the regular season, the Mules had 2 goals called back for illegal pockets, and they had one called back today.  The Mules played 2 men down at one point, as their players drew back-to-back yellow cards.  They were also penalized for offsides, and for having 13 players on the field (which is pretty inexcusable at this point in the season).

Maybe the grittiest performance of the day came from the #5 seed Tufts Jumbo's.  Despite losing to #4 seed Hamilton during the regular season, despite their hard-fought defeat by Bowdoin on a cold, rain night this past Wednesday, and despite the grindingly long bus trip to Clinton, the Jumbos scored first and never relinquished the lead.

Next Saturday in Hartford, #1 Trinity faces Tufts and  #2 Middlebury faces #5 Bowdoin, in what should be an incredible afternoon of lacrosse.


Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 25, 2015, 06:56:15 pm
What an amazing day in the NESCAC WLAX quarter finals.  All 4 games decided by one goal. 

#8 seed Williams led #1 seed Trinity 7-5 at halftime, and was up 10-6 with 22 minutes left in the second half.  Then the Bantams fired off 5 straight goals while holding the Ephs scoreless to win 11-10.

Meanwhile, #7 seed Amherst and #2 seed Middlebury swapped the lead back and forth 5 times.  With 19:10 to go, the Lady Jeffs were up 8-5 and appeared ready to end the Panthers' season.  But Midd fought back scoring 4 unanswered goals to preserve their #2 seed.

Things wee only slightly less crazy in Brunswick.  In the first half, #6 seed Colby held a one-goal lead over #3 seed Bowdoin five separate times, only to have the Polar Bears fight back and take an 8-6 lead into halftime.  Colby scored 5 times in the second half, and put extreme pressure on Bowdoin, with the Polar Bears turning the ball over 7 times.  But in the end, Colby killed their chances with penalties: When the two teams met during the regular season, the Mules had 2 goals called back for illegal pockets, and they had one called back today.  The Mules played 2 men down at one point, as their players drew back-to-back yellow cards.  They were also penalized for offsides, and for having 13 players on the field (which is pretty inexcusable at this point in the season).

Maybe the grittiest performance of the day came from the #5 seed Tufts Jumbo's.  Despite losing to #4 seed Hamilton during the regular season, despite their hard-fought defeat by Bowdoin on a cold, rain night this past Wednesday, and despite the grindingly long bus trip to Clinton, the Jumbos scored first and never relinquished the lead.

Next Saturday in Hartford, #1 Trinity faces Tufts and  #2 Middlebury faces #5 Bowdoin, in what should be an incredible afternoon of lacrosse.

Great coverage of the quarterfinal action PolarCat.  Do we pay you enough? ;)  The mood was a bit glum in the group I was watching with when the Panthers trailed 8-5 and we knew the score in Hartford had Williams up by 4.  But even though Middlebury rallied home field advantage was not to be had next weekend as the Bantams also proved to be the better team in the end. 

Freshman midfielder Hollis Perticone was the offensive force behind today's Panther victory.  When she scored an unassisted goal to give Middlebury a 5-4 lead at 3:08 in the 1st half the home team had held the advantage for only a minute and forty seconds.  Her second goal tied the game 8-8 with 10:43 remaining at which point the LJs had led for all but seven minutes of play action.  At 7:56 her third tally, again unassisted, gave the Panthers the 9-8 lead that would become the final score.  Perticone also added an assist to her game totals and senior co-captain Katie Ritter scored two goals along and an assist as well.

The Middlebury men also survived a scare, largely of their own making with a few unforced turnovers, to hold on and defeat Williams this afternoon 14-13.  A Steve Kiesel goal with 4:16 remaining cut the Panther lead to 14-11 and just over 2 minutes later Kiesel scored again to make it a one tally deficit at 1:56.  His 7 goals led all scorers.  Sean Carroll scored 4 to lead the Panthers.  Middlebury FY John Jackson had a career game as he won 27 of 30 face-offs and had 20 ground balls. 

The Panthers will try to avenge a season opening loss to Tufts next Saturday while top seeded Amherst takes on red-hot Bates who is arguably playing the best lacrosse of any team in the conference lately.  The Bobcats too will be seeking payback for a season opening loss.  Since April 1 they have outscored 6 NESCAC opponents 93-54.  Lacrosse fans will get their money's worth in Amherst next weekend.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 27, 2015, 09:39:46 am
Trinity's Martha Griffin is one of 25 nominees for the Tewaaraton Award.  Amazing accomplishment for a D3 athlete, and so very well deserved.

http://laxmagazine.com/college_women/DIII/2014-15/news/042415_wd3_notes_small_college_makes_tewaaraton_impact
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 29, 2015, 08:24:08 pm
WHERE DID EVERYONE DISAPPEAR TO?????  Conference Playoffs are around the corner, the Laxpower D3 board is hopping with discussion and speculation, and this place is as deserted as Camden Yards.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: MUC57 on April 30, 2015, 09:48:25 am
Hi guys (or girls, as the case may be)

Thanks for welcoming me to your board! Although I won't be posting that much, I'll chime in from time to time.
Last night, the Mount Union women beat Otterbein in the OAC 1st round 11 to 4. Saturday they will play Baldwin-Wallace for the conference championship and the automatic bid to the playoffs. They are ranked 18 in the country and no. 1 in their region.
You'll have to excuse me for being so excited, but it's nice to see someone other than the football team doing so well
Although they are doing very well in just their 3rd season, I do keep everything in perspective. They're not quite ready for the likes of Salisbury, Cortland St. and the NESCAC teams, among others, but it's still a great sport.
Here's a question-I hope I ask it so it makes sense. Mount Union has most of it's players from out of state. I know that many of the local high schools play lacrosse. What's up? I guess there are several possible answers. Your thoughts!
Thanks again for the welcome. I know I can learn from all of you.
Now, about Wisconsin-Whitewater............
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 30, 2015, 02:22:14 pm
Congratulations to the Purple Raiders!  And good luck on Saturday!  Your success speaks volumes about the coach, who has done a great job, despite never having served as a college assistant, and only having one season as a HS head coach.  She's obviously a very talented young lady.

Regarding getting more "locals" on the team: Even in D3, recruiting is extremely important.  One factor is that there may not be many club teams in Ohio that take talented HS players to the important national recruiting tournaments: President's Cup, Capital Cup, Lax Inception, Northeast Challenge, Northern RISE, etc.  (When my daughter was going through the recruiting process, I don't recall seeing any Ohio teams at those venues).  If your coach is attending those tournaments, she may not be getting a chance to scout Ohio girls in top level competition.

Most competitive teams hold summer camps.  It's a great way to spot and romance local talent without a lot of travel costs.  Surprisingly, MUC has camps for football, MBB, Wrestling, Swimming, Volleyball, Soccer, Baseball, Softball and Cheerleading (?), but none for WLAX.  If your AD is serious about growing the program, he or she should consider starting one.

I poked around the MUC website a little, and I liked the "Lacrosse 101" section (which is certainly more politically correct than "Lacrosse for Dummies").  But I note your school is still referring to players as "First Home", "Point", "Cover Point", etc.  Those are OLD terms, which I haven't seen used in 7 or 8 years in the Northeast.  Sort of the lacrosse equivalent of "I Formation" or "Wishbone Offense".  It may be that the SID just copied the "Lacrosse 101" section from an old book.  But if MUC is actually using those offensive and defensive schemes, it could be a challenge playing against teams from other regions that have moved on to more dynamic approaches.

If you are enjoying the game, you may want to check out the Laxpower website.  There's a good D3 section, information on the tournament process, and more statistics and rankings than you can shake a stick (er, crosse) at.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: MUC57 on April 30, 2015, 03:18:51 pm

PolarCat

Thanks for the comments and your help. Being new to this great sport, I need all the help I can ge
In a bit of a rush now, but will get back to you later.
By the way, where are you from ? or who is your team?
Take care.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 30, 2015, 04:29:42 pm
Boston area.  My daughter plays lacrosse for the Bowdoin Polar Bears, my son plays football for the Bates Bobcats, and my user name is what you get when the two mascots have a litter.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 30, 2015, 05:49:20 pm
Hi guys (or girls, as the case may be)

Thanks for welcoming me to your board! Although I won't be posting that much, I'll chime in from time to time.
Last night, the Mount Union women beat Otterbein in the OAC 1st round 11 to 4. Saturday they will play Baldwin-Wallace for the conference championship and the automatic bid to the playoffs. They are ranked 18 in the country and no. 1 in their region.
You'll have to excuse me for being so excited, but it's nice to see someone other than the football team doing so well
Although they are doing very well in just their 3rd season, I do keep everything in perspective. They're not quite ready for the likes of Salisbury, Cortland St. and the NESCAC teams, among others, but it's still a great sport.
Here's a question-I hope I ask it so it makes sense. Mount Union has most of it's players from out of state. I know that many of the local high schools play lacrosse. What's up? I guess there are several possible answers. Your thoughts!
Thanks again for the welcome. I know I can learn from all of you.
Now, about Wisconsin-Whitewater............

MUC57,

Glad you got back to us.  Your comment on the rosters got me doing a bit of research since I had been discussing the same topic with someone last night  and see I was rather misinformed.  Mt. Union and the newly emerging programs that seem to take the sport seriously recruit much more heavily from outside their immediate areas than I had thought.  As for the number of players from Ohio on your roster, 10 if I'm correct, that's quite high.  I had assumed being new to the game Mt. Union would face significant competition recruiting the in-state athlete with the NCAC which is probably the most established women's lacrosse conference outside the northeastern region.  Men's lacrosse even more so.  I've mentioned on the board a few times a friend I have who graduated from Denison in '61 who considered playing there.  While Wittenberg includes 11 Ohioans on their relatively small roster they seem to be the exception to the rule.  I also checked out Wooster, Denison, Oberlin and Kenyon and none have more than 3.  Of more interest, however, is where the other players come from.  Of the small sampling I studied it runs close to 50/50 in terms of recruits from the NE/Mid-Atlantic Coastal area and the rest of the country where lacrosse is only now gaining popularity.   It will be interesting to see over the next decade how much this trend changes as the growth of lacrosse at the youth level expands the local talent pool.  As for Wis-Whitewater have you considered quintupling your enrollment while, as I believe they phrase it, continuing to compete in the spirit of D3? :D
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 30, 2015, 06:40:27 pm
Vandy, will we see you in Hartford Saturday?  (I'm hoping to be there Sunday, too.   ;D ;D ;D)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 30, 2015, 07:49:48 pm
PolarCat.....see you are on top of the news!   Me, going to watch the NFL draft...don't you know football is America's sport these days?....not the First American sport of lacrosse....just kidding here.
Actually doing the Spring chores of planting, weeding, buying plants, etc.  Need to contract these things out but cannot figure out the new government regs :'(.
Anyway, lacrosse is a perplexing game these days in the conference and I'm avoiding stress...one reason I'm playing in the dirt/sand. 
Congrats to all the conference picks for awards....Amherst does get the men's POY and head coach shares the conference Coach of the Year with the Bates' coach.  Leave the women side particulars to you and others.
May 1 is arriving and the new class of students must make their decisions.  Hope all the CAC schools get their Lax picks.  Heard on the Soccer board that Colby had a 50 percent increase in applicants and got the go ahead by the new administration to build up their sports' program!
Been busy doing a little fund raising and recruiting...as required...another Spring chore.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 30, 2015, 09:20:20 pm
Vandy, will we see you in Hartford Saturday?  (I'm hoping to be there Sunday, too.   ;D ;D ;D)

PolarCat,

I'll be watching via the computer stream this weekend.  I can't honestly wish you luck on Saturday but all the best should Bowdoin move on to Sunday's contest.   ;D :( ;D :( ;)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: MUC57 on May 01, 2015, 03:19:22 pm

PolarCat, Vandy74 et.al.

Really good chatting with all of you. As I said before, being new to this sport, I need all the help I can get! I'm pretty much flying blind but hopefully I'll learn something.
By the way, you may have noticed I have only talked about the Mount Union women's team. The men ended the season at 5-9. I enjoy watching them, certainly more physical but just not as good.
Also, I forgot to mention that the women are 17-0, the only undefeated team in the country. Of course, the competition probably has a lot to do with that. Their record would be considerably different if they played some of the East coast teams-wouldn't it?
I'll be at Mount Union Stadium tomorrow at 1:00 PM to watch them play Baldwin-Wallace and hoping for a win.
Please excuse the ramblings of an old alum who has really taken a fancy to this "new" sport of lacrosse.
Good luck to all teams, although I guess someone has to lose.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 01, 2015, 05:52:45 pm
Keep us posted MUC57!  We NESCAC guys havent taken over the board on purpose; we'd love getting reports from other conferences, especially as we head toward the big dance in Philly the end of this month.

Speaking of other conferences: I just checked on Dennison, as a girl my daughter used to play club soccer with is a first year with them this year.  Looks like the NCAC is having an interesting tournament: last week #3 seed Dennison upset #2 seed Wooster, while #4 seed Oberlin upset #1 seed Wittenburg.  Dennison plays Oberlin tomorrow for the Championship, and the AQ to the NCAA's.

By the way, the two NCAC finalists are both teams that Mount Union beat - handily - this season.  And Mount Union also beat Fredonia, the team that just WALLOPED Geneseo in the SUNYAC Tournament, almost certainly ruining Geneseo's chances of getting a bid to the NCAA's.  The only other team Fredonia lost to this year was powerhouse Cortland, and the two of them face off tomorrow in the SUNYAC Championship game.

So MUC57, don't be so humble about the Purple Raiders!  You have a legitimate contender on your hands, and should start making your reservations for Philly!

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 02, 2015, 02:36:11 am
Keep us posted MUC57!  We NESCAC guys havent taken over the board on purpose; we'd love getting reports from other conferences, especially as we head toward the big dance in Philly the end of this month.

Speaking of other conferences: I just checked on Dennison, as a girl my daughter used to play club soccer with is a first year with them this year.  Looks like the NCAC is having an interesting tournament: last week #3 seed Dennison upset #2 seed Wooster, while #4 seed Oberlin upset #1 seed Wittenburg.  Dennison plays Oberlin tomorrow for the Championship, and the AQ to the NCAA's.

By the way, the two NCAC finalists are both teams that Mount Union beat - handily - this season.  And Mount Union also beat Fredonia, the team that just WALLOPED Geneseo in the SUNYAC Tournament, almost certainly ruining Geneseo's chances of getting a bid to the NCAA's.  The only other team Fredonia lost to this year was powerhouse Cortland, and the two of them face off tomorrow in the SUNYAC Championship game.

So MUC57, don't be so humble about the Purple Raiders!  You have a legitimate contender on your hands, and should start making your reservations for Philly!

The NCAC is an established lacrosse conference.  The game is played very seriously at the men's level.  Denison and Ohio Wesleyan in particular.  The women's programs have represented the best regionally.  The SCIAC in Southern California does likewise.  How quickly Augustana and Mt. Union have become teams that give them trouble with should serve as a wake up call.  It's time to get better instead of just being happy to get a 1st round game at the Big Party.  Nothing shabby about either team's schedule.  Each handled some of the stiffest competition the region had to offer.  And Mt. Union's victory over Fredonia is very impressive.  It's that next step up and makes an upset in the NCAA quite plausible.  It isn't just that Mt. Union beat #17 Fredonia by 2.  #2 Cortland only beat them by 4.  Btw MUC57, I use the LWICA coaches poll.  They rank you at #21 but to be a team outside the northeast/mid-Atlantic lax belt  and receiving such recognition is impressive, period.  Only Augustana was there as well most of this season.  Augie has what Mt Union doesn't.  They have two very legitimate conference opponents in North Central and Carthage.  Both programs are for real.  I mention this because there was another game on the Raiders' schedule and Augustana's as well that was assumed to be another strength of schedule booster.  Adrian.  Adrian progressed just ahead of the three CCIW teams I mentioned while they competed in the MWLC.  Two seasons ago the MIAA sponsored the sport and Adrian was forced to schedule accordingly.  The problem is there were no serious in-conference adversaries.  Adrian owned it last season as they continued to excel.  This year, however, they failed to win a single game.  In out of conference play Augustana, Wittenberg, Mt. Union and Denison beat them by a combined score of 82-9.  I have no information as to why one of the best new programs in the Midwest region collapsed so quickly but recruits are lured by the level of competition promised and Adrian could not offer that.   Two years back Augie beat Redlands in the 1st round of the NCAA.  During the season Carthage, NCC and Augustana played one another 5 times.  All games were won by a single goal.  Hopefully next season some OAC teams will test the Raiders more.   

Lots of lacrosse to follow in the NESCAC tomorrow.  Middlebury-Bowdoin.  #3 vs #5.  It doesn't get much better than that.  On the men's side of things I expect Amherst would love a rematch with Middlebury in the championship game on Sunday.  That is the only blemish on the LJs record.  First they need to beat Bates.  The Panthers will have to avenge a season opening loss at the hands of Tufts to make it happen.  Two very tough tasks.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 02, 2015, 09:30:44 am
I'm hoping for a rematch with the Panthers on Sunday too! :). First things first...two matches today.  May even watch both if the stress level is normal??....Lax players are so unpredictable.  In any case it should be a good weather day for the teams to play on Pratt field.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 02, 2015, 04:47:08 pm
Congratulations to Bowdoin.  Clearly the team who came ready to play this afternoon.  I can't say enough about their GK.  I leave it to PolarCat to provide the details.  Tough day all around for Middlebury LAX as Tufts has matters well in hand in LJ land. :( :( :(
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 02, 2015, 06:48:41 pm
Cortland State men once again prove to be a tough opponent for the Plattsburgh State Cardinals as they win the SUNYAC conference for the umpteenth time in a hard fought 14-12 final.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 02, 2015, 07:34:06 pm
Cortland State men once again prove to be a tough opponent for the Plattsburgh State Cardinals as they win the SUNYAC conference for the umpteenth time in a hard fought 14-12 final.

magicman,

Take away the 0-2 start to the season and 0-2 against Cortland and that's a pretty successful run.  Now if you could just get a Cardinal women's program up and running.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 02, 2015, 09:16:34 pm
Vandy, thank you for your kind words.  BOTH NESCAC semis were exciting, with a tough, feisty Tufts team almost knocking off the #1 team in the nation.  They took Trinity to the second OT period, and were leading with 35 seconds left, only to have the Bants rattle off two goals in 35 seconds to secure the victory.  But I think the fact Trinity barely scraped by in the quarters and the semis indicates they're vulnerable,

Bowdoin's 14-8 victory over a top 5 team, led by a Hall of Fame coach in her last ever NESCAC Conference game, was incredibly exciting.  After 32 straight defeats to the Panthers spanning 29 seasons, the Polar Bears made quite a statement today.  The Polar Bears' strength is they have no real superstar, but half a dozen really talented girls on offense, 4 shut down defenders, middies that play D as well as most teams' defenders, and as Vandy noted, a GK who was on fire today.  I think they have a legitimate shot at knocking off Trinity tomorrow.

Vandy, I have to say your Panthers have some of the most gracious parents in the NCAA.  They were wonderful after the game , wishing us luck tomorrow (though I'm sure they were also all looking forward to a rematch with us in the Regional).

Needless to say, we had quite a tailgate.   :) ;D ;) :D :) ;D ;) :D
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 03, 2015, 10:03:43 am
Three comments. 
First...it was good to hear from you Magicman!  Thought the late Spring weather got you down. :)
Second......Middlebury's parents are nice people with respect to sports...found that out in watching MBB with them.  It's their other fans that can be testy at times. :)
Third....watched some of the games at the Coop.  Surprised that Tufts came back to take the game into the first OT.  The Bantams' shot to tie the game in the first OT was a gimme....considering it was by the POY on a free shot. Actually was rooting for Tufts.
Last comment...I know, I stated 3.   Anyway, I thought it was a bit much for Tufts to " run up " the score in their game on Pratt Field.  Held a big lead throughout the game.  Amherst in their closer game with Bates, after a timeout with less than a minute to go, just ran the clock down....even in an empty goal situation for Bates.
Hope Amherst repeat their win over the Jumbos today.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: P'bearfan on May 03, 2015, 02:27:25 pm
Congrats to Bowdoin's women's lax team on a great season.  They put up a good fight today but fell short to a very strong Trinity team.  Still a wonderful season.  Good luck in the NCAA tournament!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 03, 2015, 06:23:31 pm
Bowdoin put up a great fight against an excellent Bantam team.  I wouldn't be surprised if the bus ride home is silent except for snoring.  It was an intense 48 hours, and it was HOT down on that turf today!  The Polar Bear defense bent but never really broke.  Unfortunately, Trinity ground us down with time of possession. 

Hard to believe this was just Bowdoin's second appearance in the final.  The girls have much to be proud of.  There's a lot of returning talent on the team, so I think we'll be back..

Hats of to the Bantam players and coaches for an incredible season.  Maybe our paths will cross again in the NCAA's, and maybe third time will be the charm.

UPDATE: What's that old saying, "Be careful what you wish for"?  Trinity and Bowdoin are in the SAME bracket, along with TCNJ.  I don't expect any of them will have difficulty this weekend, but the Regionals will be a Battle Royale.  I guess the silver lining is that two really good teams will have their seasons end in 2 weeks, and the girls on those teams will be able to don caps and gowns and pick up their diplomas with their classmates, instead of in a small private ceremony in Philadelphia.

Three of the brackets look tough  In the fourth, it's almost as if the NCAA is easing the path for Augustana and Mount Union.  Though if either one of those teams can make it past Cortland, we'll know they're the real deal.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 04, 2015, 08:06:32 am
Bowdoin put up a great fight against an excellent Bantam team.  I wouldn't be surprised if the bus ride home is silent except for snoring.  It was an intense 48 hours, and it was HOT down on that turf today!  The Polar Bear defense bent but never really broke.  Unfortunately, Trinity ground us down with time of possession. 

Hard to believe this was just Bowdoin's second appearance in the final.  The girls have much to be proud of.  There's a lot of returning talent on the team, so I think we'll be back..

Hats of to the Bantam players and coaches for an incredible season.  Maybe our paths will cross again in the NCAA's, and maybe third time will be the charm.

UPDATE: What's that old saying, "Be careful what you wish for"?  Trinity and Bowdoin are in the SAME bracket, along with TCNJ.  I don't expect any of them will have difficulty this weekend, but the Regionals will be a Battle Royale.  I guess the silver lining is that two really good teams will have their seasons end in 2 weeks, and the girls on those teams will be able to don caps and gowns and pick up their diplomas with their classmates, instead of in a small private ceremony in Philadelphia.

Three of the brackets look tough  In the fourth, it's almost as if the NCAA is easing the path for Augustana and Mount Union.  Though if either one of those teams can make it past Cortland, we'll know they're the real deal.

The problem with being the best in a weak conference is that come NCAA tournament time teams like Augustana and Mt. Union, clearly a cut above the rest the Western regions have to offer, haven't been tested in a month.  Augie should handle Wis.-Concordia but they won't beat Cortland.  As for Mt. Union who should have little trouble with Albion, Catholic will be a good indicator of how ready they are to compete at the next level.  Catholic is a perfect match up for them.  Beating defending champion Salisbury in OT to open the season, Catholic later lost 19-12 at home to Cortland.  They also lost at home to Williams by a single goal.  An inspired Mt. Union team could very well beat them but they could also lose by a solid margin.  I see it as one of the most intriguing match ups in the early rounds of the tourney.  Should the Raiders prevail, I don't see them advancing past Cortland.  Cortland actually has quite an easy path to the Final Four.  Trinity's first serious challenge, most likely Bowdoin, will be in the Elite Eight.

Bowdoin will be tested by TCNJ but I expect they will break away in the second half.  The NJ team has an impressive road victory over Salisbury but their other strength of conference games with Messiah, Gettysburg and Trinity are their three losses.  They haven't been challenged in their last six games at all and 5 have been at home.  Bowdoin should get that rematch with Trinity. 

Hamilton faces Salisbury in the opening round.  Salisbury has looked very beatable AND very good.  Which Salisbury team will show up to play?  The winner most likely plays Middlebury.  That game's winner should face Gettysburg.  One of those four teams will face Cortland in the semifinal round.

Tufts faces some stiff competition as well.  Messiah, Franklin & Marshall, and Washington & Lee should be the teams they would face if they progress.  Not all that unlike the typical NESCAC schedule.  It won't be easy but Tufts could pull it off.

My prediction for the championship game is Trinity against Cortland.  Two hungry teams.  Trinity has lost the last two to Salisbury.  Cortland is tired of almost getting there but not quite succeeding.  My heart says Middlebury-Bowdoin, but my head says Trinity-Cortland.  Best bet to pull off a big upset, Mt. Union, but I see that more likely happening a year or two down the road. 

Rapidly improving programs like Mt. Union and Augustana are trying to join a very select circle.  In the 30 D3 women's lax championship games played only 9 different schools have won.  Only 13 have participated.  You have to go back to 2003 when Amherst beat Middlebury 11-9 to find the first season both entrants are not in this year's bracket.  The only season that neither participant is included in this year's tournament was 1995 when Ursinus defeated St. Lawrence.  By the time this season's FY players are seniors I expect someone new will join the club.

Well that's my unsolicited two-cents worth.  Best of luck to all the NESCAC teams except when they are up against the Panthers.  It should be great fun regardless of who wins.



Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: MUC57 on May 04, 2015, 10:26:36 am
Vandy74

Great analysis of the playoff bracket. Hope Mount Union can pull off the upset down the road. But as you said, maybe later. They only lose 1 senior this year, a defender, so could be tough next year.

Meant to ask you where you are from, where your kids go to school, who you're for or whatever?
Just like to know. You and PolarCat have been helping me out a lot. Now, having said all that, I have a question. Remember I'm new to all this. The Mount women beat Baldwin-Wallace 20-5 last Saturday. I know soccer and hockey are low scoring games so is 20 a lot of points? Does anyone know of an average number of points scored in a victory? Then again, that might not be meaningful anyway. Just thought I'd ask.

Good luck to all your teams in the playoffs, unless of course, they play Mount Union. Oh, what the hell, good luck anyway!

Take care, or as my Hawaiian friends would say, malama pono. Same thing.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 04, 2015, 04:52:49 pm
Love your analysis, Vandy and I think you are spot on.

I think Midd will beat Gettysburg in the Elite Eight.  Carol Cantele is a great coach, but I think the advantage of having two head coaches with National Championships on their resume's will be a huge advantage when it comes time to watch film of unfamiliar teams.  But I'm not sure you have the horses to get past Cortland.

I think our rematch with Trinity will be closer - 1 or 2 goals - but TCNJ will tire us out on Saturday, while Trinity cruises past Pomona-Pitzer, resting their starters in the second half.  Then Trinity will grind us down Sunday with time of possession.  (I am guessing Trin possessed the ball for 45 minutes Sunday compared to 15 minutes for Bowdoin).  Our run and gun offense is exciting when it works, but makes life a bear for the defense when it doesn't, particularly when you are dealing with the likes of Ms. Griffin et. al.

I've been wrong before and my heart says what yours does.  But if our girls don't go to Philly, their consolation prize will be to walk across the campus in caps and gowns with their peers, instead of getting their diplomas in a suburban Philly hotel.  Not a terrible alternative.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 04, 2015, 05:06:57 pm
I have a question. Remember I'm new to all this. The Mount women beat Baldwin-Wallace 20-5 last Saturday. I know soccer and hockey are low scoring games so is 20 a lot of points? Does anyone know of an average number of points scored in a victory? Then again, that might not be meaningful anyway. Just thought I'd ask.

20-5 is meaningful, but not necessarily in a good way.  Unlike soccer, there is no "goal differential" criteria in WLAX, and Mount Union secured the AQ with the win, so why run up the score and embarrass the opponent?  I think many programs would have played their second string and freshmen, to give them some big game experience, and been content with a 12-8 victory or the like. 

(Full disclosure: we did have some lop-sided victories of our own this year - 19-5, 15-6, 15-3, 18-4 and 17-5 - but all of those were in games where the bench played the second half and the coaches did what they could to keep the scores from getting out of hand).

You have a young coach in a young program, so if the coach or the players got caught up in the moment, that's understandable.  But even when my daughter was playing in prep school, the coach would take out his starters and make edicts like "No shooting unless there have been 5 passes" or "You can only shoot with your weak hand" to try to keep games from becoming blow-outs.

That team you embarrass this year may come back with a vengeance next year, and as they say, revenge is a dish that's best served cold.  No disrespect meant to your program, just answering your question. 

EDIT: I just looked at your results for the season.  It looks like your young coach likes blowing folks out.  In 2014 you had wins of 23-2, 22-3, 21-0, 28-1, 18-3, 22-0 and 20-5.  This year, in addition to embarrassing your opponent in the OAC Championship, you had other wins 18-2, 23-6, 22-4, 21-7, 25-1 and 20-5.  I'm not sure what statement your coach is trying to make, but I just stopped being a fan of your program.

If you make it past Catholic, maybe Cortland will blow you out 30-5 and let you see what it feels like.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 04, 2015, 06:26:00 pm
Vandy74

Great analysis of the playoff bracket. Hope Mount Union can pull off the upset down the road. But as you said, maybe later. They only lose 1 senior this year, a defender, so could be tough next year.

Meant to ask you where you are from, where your kids go to school, who you're for or whatever?
Just like to know. You and PolarCat have been helping me out a lot. Now, having said all that, I have a question. Remember I'm new to all this. The Mount women beat Baldwin-Wallace 20-5 last Saturday. I know soccer and hockey are low scoring games so is 20 a lot of points? Does anyone know of an average number of points scored in a victory? Then again, that might not be meaningful anyway. Just thought I'd ask.

Good luck to all your teams in the playoffs, unless of course, they play Mount Union. Oh, what the hell, good luck anyway!

Take care, or as my Hawaiian friends would say, malama pono. Same thing.

MUC57,

I have no children but I did spend almost a decade in Croton-on-Hudson, NY raising a late brother's two kids.  The nephew graduated from Lafayette last spring and the niece is a freshman at Amherst.  She played lacrosse in high school.  My father was an Amherst grad as was a brother.  Another brother went to Middlebury.  A third brother went to Amherst to play football.  When a knee injury ended his playing career he transferred to Middlebury for his senior year.  I am a 9th generation native Vermonter and grew up in Middlebury.  When they aren't facing the Panthers I root for the Lord Jeffs. :o 8-)  My moniker speaks for itself in terms of age and Alma Mater.  The Middlebury women's lax HC is my sister-in-law.  Thus the interest in the game. 

20, as a rule of thumb, is as high as a lacrosse score should go.  Missy has an "understood" rule against scoring 20 on an overmatched opponent.  Granted in such games players who see limited game participation are involved and deserve to have fun while trying to improve in every way but for the most part the rule is followed.  The Panthers led 16-3 at the half over Roanoke this season and went on to win 19-4.  There are many factors involved not the least of which being how evenly matched the competing teams are to each other.   Trinity is 17-1.  Seven other conference foes are ranked and they play a solid out of conference schedule as well.  They average 13 goals per game.  That's as good an answer to your question as you will find. 

Good luck to the Raiders. ;)

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 04, 2015, 08:03:09 pm
I have a question. Remember I'm new to all this. The Mount women beat Baldwin-Wallace 20-5 last Saturday. I know soccer and hockey are low scoring games so is 20 a lot of points? Does anyone know of an average number of points scored in a victory? Then again, that might not be meaningful anyway. Just thought I'd ask.

20-5 is meaningful, but not necessarily in a good way.  Unlike soccer, there is no "goal differential" criteria in WLAX, and Mount Union secured the AQ with the win, so why run up the score and embarrass the opponent?  I think many programs would have played their second string and freshmen, to give them some big game experience, and been content with a 12-8 victory or the like. 

(Full disclosure: we did have some lop-sided victories of our own this year - 19-5, 15-6, 15-3, 18-4 and 17-5 - but all of those were in games where the bench played the second half and the coaches did what they could to keep the scores from getting out of hand).

You have a young coach in a young program, so if the coach or the players got caught up in the moment, that's understandable.  But even when my daughter was playing in prep school, the coach would take out his starters and make edicts like "No shooting unless there have been 5 passes" or "You can only shoot with your weak hand" to try to keep games from becoming blow-outs.

That team you embarrass this year may come back with a vengeance next year, and as they say, revenge is a dish that's best served cold.  No disrespect meant to your program, just answering your question. 

EDIT: I just looked at your results for the season.  It looks like your young coach likes blowing folks out.  In 2014 you had wins of 23-2, 22-3, 21-0, 28-1, 18-3, 22-0 and 20-5.  This year, in addition to embarrassing your opponent in the OAC Championship, you had other wins 18-2, 23-6, 22-4, 21-7, 25-1 and 20-5.  I'm not sure what statement your coach is trying to make, but I just stopped being a fan of your program.

If you make it past Catholic, maybe Cortland will blow you out 30-5 and let you see what it feels like.

PolarCat,

As much as, like you, I cringe seeing a 28-1 score we are spoiled in the NESCAC.  It's easy to be "nice" when you don't have to prove yourself.  Right now teams like Mt. Union are caught between a rock and a hard place.  They are trying to improve to the point they can compete regularly with teams like Bowdoin, Cortland et al. while being required to play in a conference that offers them virtually no competition.   Every team in the NESCAC is capable of defeating Castleton or Keene St. in the 1st round of the NCAA.  Nobody in Mt. Union's conference can do that except Mt. Union.  Well, maybe a few others could beat Keene St. ::) ::) :P  You don't maintain a competitive edge by only playing hard for just one half.  You get sloppy and stale.   Before arthritic shoulders destroyed my golf game I used to play to a 5 or 6 handicap.  I never got any pleasure competing against those whose goal was to break 100.  I expect Mt. Union's players would prefer a regular challenge to what they mostly now face until NCAA tournament time.  Please give the regional competition time to catch up with them.  If five years from now they are still playing the bully I will join you in that harsh judgement.  Right now they don't have much choice in the matter.

Polish off TCNJ and then get those annoying Bantams out of the way, will you please? ;)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 05, 2015, 10:49:19 am
Vandy74....see that you have a Spotted cat in the family :). Always suspected that the Foote family were "Cool Cats" as well as "Lords of the Manor"....so to speak ;D. 
Just learned that your lovely state has less than 700,000 citizens.  If you get the chance...congrat the men's tennis coach for me.  See the Panthers are building a tennis powerhous....must be the new field house!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: MUC57 on May 05, 2015, 01:34:08 pm
PolarCat
Thanks for your comments (I think). Not sure how to respond or if I should try. Being new to this sport, I never realized they were running up the score. The Mount Union football team is constantly accused of running up the score even though they will kick field goals after a first and ten on the 10 yard line after getting a big lead. Don't know what would be comparable in lacrosse, except as you say, put in the backups. I just met you, so to speak. Are we still friends?

Vandy74
Thanks for your comments too. Thanks also for coming to my rescue. I guess I really am new to this game. Comments on the football boards can lead to some really rough exchanges. Maybe here too! I think I'll just watch and see how the "big" schools, who are the obvious experts, deal with different situations. In the meantime, I'll stick by my alma mater in all sports.
Good luck to all!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 05, 2015, 03:21:31 pm
MUC57, I'm fine with you and me staying "friends".  It's not your behavior I question.

Unlike football, lacrosse points are scored one at a time.  So it takes 28 separate scoring plays to reach 28 points, vs. 4.  Unlike football, a team can retain possession for as long as they like; there's no need to march 10 yards every 4 downs, then score or turn the ball over.  And unlike basketball, there's no shot clock (though some folks think there should be), so a team can possess the ball and burn the clock without actually going to net.

Viewed in that context, I personally feel that running up a 28-1 score is inexcusable.  Not only are you deliberately embarrassing the opposing team, but keeping your starters in for the whole game is a huge disservice to the girls on your bench.  They showed up for the preseason speed training and weight training, they worked hard at practice all year, and they've made the long bus rides (and soon, plane trips) to games, when they could have been studying for exams or hanging out with their boyfriends (or girlfriends).  Let 'em play!

It's also unfair to those girls' parents, who travel to the games or tune in online, only to watch Betty and Sally ride the pine when the outcome has clearly been decided.  I bet if you hung out on the sidelines with the parents, you'd hear a lot of griping.

Mount Union was up 12-1 over Baldwin Wallace at halftime, yet your coach kept her starters in for the second half.  7 of Mount Union's second half goals were scored by starters; the 8th by a girls who may as well have been a starter, since she scored the first of her 5 goals just a minute and a half into the first period.  That really rubs me the wrong way.  Why not give the other girls a chance to play in a championship game, when the outcome has already been decided? 

With all due respect to Vandy (whose opinion I value), I don't think a coach accomplishes anything positive for the program by playing that way, regardless of how weak the conference may be. As a parent, I'd never let my daughter play for a coach who displayed that mindset.   D3 sports should be teaching young men and women different life lessons, like treating opponents with respect and celebrating ALL your players when the conditions permit.

Others may disagree, and I will now step down off my soap box.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 05, 2015, 05:00:17 pm
PolarCat...like your "big " soapbox. :).  Plus K
Still recovering over Vandy's golf handicap.  Guess he spends time on the Middlebury golf course...not as good as Williams' course...though few college courses are, if any.  Did hear that Yale has a superb one.  Saw an WSJ article about a positive future medical procedure to help people with "joint" problems/limitations....including arthritic ones?  SometHing about replacing the meniscus...the joint cushion...using 3-D printing and growing artificial ones or cloning replacements with the patient's cells.
Once again...too much time in 80 degree weather.  Good luck to all the Lax teams in the the Big Dance....conference teams...both men and women.  Oh yes....Midd's men's golf team will represent the conference in the post season.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 05, 2015, 05:20:12 pm
The men's conference teams in the Lax post season....Amherst, Tufts, Middlebury and Bates...have been put in the same bracket.  This means that Amherst may play Middlebury in the second round and Tufts could play Bates in the 2nd round.  For the Quarter finals...the 3 rd round...could end up with an All CAC match up.  Busy Wednesday online viewing.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 05, 2015, 07:02:32 pm
MUC57, I'm fine with you and me staying "friends".  It's not your behavior I question.

Unlike football, lacrosse points are scored one at a time.  So it takes 28 separate scoring plays to reach 28 points, vs. 4.  Unlike football, a team can retain possession for as long as they like; there's no need to march 10 yards every 4 downs, then score or turn the ball over.  And unlike basketball, there's no shot clock (though some folks think there should be), so a team can possess the ball and burn the clock without actually going to net.

Viewed in that context, I personally feel that running up a 28-1 score is inexcusable.  Not only are you deliberately embarrassing the opposing team, but keeping your starters in for the whole game is a huge disservice to the girls on your bench.  They showed up for the preseason speed training and weight training, they worked hard at practice all year, and they've made the long bus rides (and soon, plane trips) to games, when they could have been studying for exams or hanging out with their boyfriends (or girlfriends).  Let 'em play!

It's also unfair to those girls' parents, who travel to the games or tune in online, only to watch Betty and Sally ride the pine when the outcome has clearly been decided.  I bet if you hung out on the sidelines with the parents, you'd hear a lot of griping.

Mount Union was up 12-1 over Baldwin Wallace at halftime, yet your coach kept her starters in for the second half.  7 of Mount Union's second half goals were scored by starters; the 8th by a girls who may as well have been a starter, since she scored the first of her 5 goals just a minute and a half into the first period.  That really rubs me the wrong way.  Why not give the other girls a chance to play in a championship game, when the outcome has already been decided? 

With all due respect to Vandy (whose opinion I value), I don't think a coach accomplishes anything positive for the program by playing that way, regardless of how weak the conference may be. As a parent, I'd never let my daughter play for a coach who displayed that mindset.   D3 sports should be teaching young men and women different life lessons, like treating opponents with respect and celebrating ALL your players when the conditions permit.

Others may disagree, and I will now step down off my soap box.

No offense meant here, but this collegiate athletics we're talking about here,  not Little League or youth sports. Everyone doesn't get equal playing time and a coach has to do whatever he/she thinks is the way to prepare his or her players for the conference tournament (and beyond) by having them play a full game. Winning by a lopsided score does NOT automatically mean a coach is disrespecting another team. Some conferences may only have one or two really talented teams. Them's the breaks. Everyone came to conditioning, pre-season and several of the top players work-out all year round. And by the way, those players also make time to study, have girlfriends, play a second sport and hold a part-time job. Those that play the majority of minutes have earned it. That's why you see so many kids quit, they don't have what it takes to stick it out and EARN their playing time. And yes, I know someone who actually accomplished all of the above and was (still is) one of the most humble athletes you'd ever meet. Don't assume anything, unless you know the circumstances and the situations.  Time for me to get off my soapbox now. :P :P And good luck to all the teams represented by posters here. The interest in lacrosse is growing every year. Looking forward to a very competitive tourney.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 05, 2015, 11:39:05 pm
amh63, thanks for your critique of the relative difficulty of the Amherst vs.  Williams courses.  If I ever decide to take up the game seriously I will keep that in mind.  But I'm afraid the only hole I ever mastered was the 19th.  Nowadays my biggest challenge is the one with the windmill.  Though sometimes the one where you putt downhill down the orange dinosaur's back also gives me a problem.

Damn, I am showing my age.  What were we talking about, again?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 06, 2015, 02:26:27 am
Vandy74....see that you have a Spotted cat in the family :). Always suspected that the Foote family were "Cool Cats" as well as "Lords of the Manor"....so to speak ;D. 
Just learned that your lovely state has less than 700,000 citizens.  If you get the chance...congrat the men's tennis coach for me.  See the Panthers are building a tennis powerhous....must be the new field house!

amh63,

You have quite a way with words.  It must be that Amherst education kicking in. ;)  Thanks for the heads up on the MC tennis.  I know HC Bob Hanson.  He's a huge Panther MBB fan.  As is his charming wife.  He had nothing left to prove when he took the job at Middlebury 4-5 years ago after a very successful run at UC-Santa Cruz.  Now be honest, are you happier about the trouncing Amherst gave us or what we recently did to Williams? :D   The new field house is primarily an indoor track facility, btw.  The subject of the Williams golf course came up in conversation at Missy's recent retirement dinner.  I was fortunate enough to play a course in Williamstown years ago and it was a treat to do so.  Assuming it's the same one I admit Williams' course is better than Middlebury's.  Lately, however, I have to agree with PolarCat.  The 19th hole can't happen soon enough and I don't like windmill hazards at all.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 06, 2015, 09:37:57 am
Going back on topic for a moment.

Since there seems to be some difference in philosophy between us New Englanders and some Mid-Westerners, I thought it would be interesting to see how one of the premier Mid-Western programs with a legendary coach handles these kinds of situations.

Northwestern beat Rutgers 18-6 earlier this year.  Not a blow-out per se (I'm not sure there even is such a thing when you're playing at the B1G level), but certainly a lop-sided victory.  Kelly Amonte Hiller gave TWENTY FOUR of her subs playing time in that game.  I'm not sure how many players were on the travel squad that day, but I am guessing 24 represents pretty much the entire bench.

They followed a similar philosophy against a ranked opponent, playing 17 subs in their 16-6 victory over #20 Ohio State.

I know coaches can and do have different philosophies.  But Kelly's record speaks for itself, and players (and parents) would die to be recruited by her. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: MUC57 on May 06, 2015, 09:43:20 am

First, thanks to Vandy74 and NCF for offering a different perspective on our discussion of Mount Union "running up the score". As I've said before, I'm new to the world of lacrosse. Excuse me for being a tad naïve.

PolarCat

I agree with many of your comments; however, I do take exception with "maybe Cortland can beat them 30-5 so they know how it feels". Last year in the playoffs, Cortland beat them 20-5. Interestingly enough, the same score by which Mount beat Baldwin-Wallace last Sat. You didn't seem to like that, but I guess it's OK if you're Cortland or it's the playoffs. The point is, Mount Union knows very well what it's like to get whipped, if that's the right word. How did you think they should feel? I'm pretty sure they weren't on top of the world but they also didn't crawl into a hole.
They seem to have done very well this year after that.
I have learned a lot on this board from different posters, all of which will help me follow my newfound interest in the great game of lacrosse. So this guy from a small Midwestern school, in only it's third year of play, will defer to those of you from the "elite schools of lacrosse" on comments. Maybe someday Mount Union................
In parting I leave you with another Hawaiian word-"pomaika'i". Means good luck.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 06, 2015, 09:49:34 am
MUC, I did not follow the tournament last year, but if the Cortland coach had kept his starters in, I would have been every bit as upset about that score.  However, if the Cortland bench played the second half and you still got blown out that bad, that's a different kettle of fish.

Given Mount Union's pattern of running up the score on opponents in 2014, maybe the Cortland coach was sending them a message?

If I can find some time today, I'll do that research and report back.

EDIT: God, I love Google.  Cortland played TWENTY SEVEN players in that game.  Here's the link to the game summary: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_lacrosse_champs_records/2014/d3/html/cortmu.htm

We can monopolize this board and beat this topic to death, but I bet the rest of the posters would rather we go back to talking about golf.  Fore?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 06, 2015, 04:47:42 pm




EDIT: God, I love Google.  Cortland played TWENTY SEVEN players in that game.  Here's the link to the game summary: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_lacrosse_champs_records/2014/d3/html/cortmu.htm

We can monopolize this board and beat this topic to death, but I bet the rest of the posters would rather we go back to talking about golf.  Fore?

NO PLEASE  Not golf.  As much as I enjoy playing the game it is the most boring thing in the world to read about. ::) ::)

But seriously.  This topic has been beaten to death.  Since we now, at long last, have a few new posters keenly interested in a game they are just learning to fully appreciate however, there is a lot more to be said on the matter.  I would like to do that but unfortunately I have a somewhat busy late afternoon and a social evening planned.  I will try to do some of it as soon as possible but it involves so many complexities it might take some time.  PolarCat, 27 Cortland players saw game action but only 19 were really involved short of perhaps the final minute.  Look at the personal stats.  Seven non-starters obviously played throughout the second half but since your daughter plays while not starting, and plays well from what I witnessed in 3 or 4 games, you know that several Cortland players also see quality time without being on the field at the beginning of the game.  It only makes sense that good teams can go 4 or 5 extra players deep without doing an over matched opponent any favors. Cortland eased up with a 14-2 halftime lead by starting the second string GK after the intermission.  That's the key to the point you want to make.  The starters were clearly in the game for at least 15 minutes longer.   That's based on who scored for them.  Mt. Union didn't score for another 6 minutes so who knows when the best defenders were replaced.  The four players who have no stats to show (I don't include the backup GK) and the four others who only caused a single turnover or collected one ground ball, that sort of thing, couldn't have been on the field for more than a minute or so.  Yes, Cortland knew the game was won by halftime.  The change of GK is the proof but they kept everyone else in much longer.  But they were in a tournament where the opposition was going to become progressively stronger.  You don't keep your skills honed by sitting.

I've gone on longer here than I meant to and hope I've made clear that both sides of the issue have valid arguments.  But to repeat one very important one, Bowdoin (NESCAC) and Mt. Union live in different worlds.  Asking them to play the same way is unfair.  No team in the upcoming tournament doesn't know that Bowdoin can beat them.  No team east of the Appalachians considers Mt. Union to be more than a scrimmage game.  They think they are better than that.  It will be good for the game of lacrosse when they (or Augie or anyone else in the western region) proves it.  This year they have been seeded in a way that gives them a 2nd round game they have a chance to win.  If they had played nice and won every game 16-4 against the weak schedule that was not their fault they would be playing Wis-Concordia and then be playing Trinity.  That's just the way it works.

I have one rather funny anecdotal post to make but held off because alone it would have continued to stir up this can of worms.  I'll get to it eventually. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Gray Fox on May 06, 2015, 06:25:12 pm
The men's conference teams in the Lax post season....Amherst, Tufts, Middlebury and Bates...have been put in the same bracket.  This means that Amherst may play Middlebury in the second round and Tufts could play Bates in the 2nd round.  For the Quarter finals...the 3 rd round...could end up with an All CAC match up.  Busy Wednesday online viewing.
Money talks at playoff time for the NCAA.  Minimize travel.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 06, 2015, 06:28:48 pm
Vandy,

To be accurate, my PolarKitten is a starter.  And I will never, ever be smart enough to understand how the selection committee seeds brackets, so can't opine on how their bracket placement might have been different if they'd been a little less enthusiastic in beating down opponents.  But I agree with the sentiment of your post.

Since golf is verboten, thank God Deflate Gate is back in the news.  That should keep us occupied while we wait for the MLAX news to trickle in.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 06, 2015, 07:06:11 pm
Vandy,

To be accurate, my PolarKitten is a starter.  And I will never, ever be smart enough to understand how the selection committee seeds brackets, so can't opine on how their bracket placement might have been different if they'd been a little less enthusiastic in beating down opponents.  But I agree with the sentiment of your post.

Since golf is verboten, thank God Deflate Gate is back in the news.  That should keep us occupied while we wait for the MLAX news to trickle in.

My apologies to PolarKitten.  As I said, she certainly plays like a starter.  As for the seeding of the western reps in past brackets, I've followed it for three seasons now.  Unfortunately they don't archive them anywhere that I have been able to find but Mt. Union is being given a chance this year that would have been denied them in the last few.  They may succeed.  They may fall flat on their faces.  That's why they play the games. 8-) 8-)   Do you mind if I play through? :D
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 06, 2015, 08:32:47 pm
Some comments....
First...the 4 conference teams...in the same bracket....is like a repeat of the conference tourney.  All are highly ranked nationally...prefer new opponents....therefore a possible final 4 of CAC teams :).
Wrt to money..I agree on that point....however, all the CAC teams are hosting and their opponents have to travel....travel money differential is "peanuts".
Vandy...my congrats are for winning the Nescac title by beating the Ephs :).  The golf course in Willytown is the Taconic course...owned by Williams.  I walked the course with a friend who likes to play iconic great courses...Congressional in Md, Pebble Beach, the public course in LaJolla, Ca.....you get the pix.  Anyway, I was impressed with the caddy carts that followed you around...no golf carts. It was almost two decades ago....the technology application amused me.  It was on a business trip to Pittsfield, Ma.
Oh yes,  the men's games today.  Tufts crushed its opponent, Emmanual..21-6...led the entire game.  Amherst beat Castelton, 20-4 and Middlebury finally found its mojo in the 2nd half and won handily over Montclair St.   Bates is in a battle with Keene St...a team they beat earlier.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 06, 2015, 09:45:00 pm
My son (PolarCub?) was at the Bates-Keene game, and reports it got really ugly in the second half, with a Keene player being ejected for some extreme naughtiness.  I will spare you the details till we see the story confirmed online, as he was not exactly an impartial source.  (The game summary shows a 3 minute penalty for slashing, which seems pretty significant, but I have a hard enough time following the rules of the women's game).  In the end, the Bobcats prevailed 16-11.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 07, 2015, 08:24:34 am
Bates may not always field the most competitive teams, but they might have the best (or as my son would say "illest") helmets in the NCAA, and their sports photography is All-American, maybe even All-World.  Photos from last night's game are here: http://athletics.bates.edu/sports/mlax/2014-15/photos/0005/index

One image in particular I like, not because it's a great action shot, but because of the subject matter.  The fourth photo in the series shows Bates President Clayton Spencer (she's the lone red shirt in the see of white-clad students) doing her selly in the stands.  She sits a couple seats down from Mrs. PolarCat and I at most Bates home FB games, and she can argue ref's calls with the best of them.  We're blessed to have a college president that not only "gets" the place of sports in D3, but also is a fan of the games.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 07, 2015, 10:06:15 am
Tough night for CCIW men's entries Augie and Carthage. Augie lost in the final minute to Albion and Carthage was beaten by OWU. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 07, 2015, 01:56:06 pm
PolarCat....watched a portion of the Bobcat battle with Keene State under the lights!  Nice atmosphere and Huge crowd....seen from the photos.  Crowd aided by the fact that it was Bates first Lax post season venture against an opponent who was in it last season and the fact that Bates chose to set the ticket prices at the lowest level allowed by the NCAA guidelines.
Anyway, saw the last part of the game when the incident your son mentioned occurred.It was a rough game to begin with and the refs let a lot of banging go, IMO.  In the last few minutes with the game won, after a late goal by Bates, there was a "scrum" ....announcer Rugby term...for a loose ball on the right side of Keene's goal.  A Keene defender slashed down on the head of a Bates player.....that drew the penalty and ejection.  Believe it was about a minute to go in the game.  Keene player was frustrated...believe it was the Defensive Player of the Year in the LEC who was the culprit.   Part of it could be due to the emotion of the moment and the fact that the last goal was unnecessary.  Do not know if the goal was by a Bates' sub.
In the last few minutes when the game put away, the announcers was talking about how Bates would approach the upcoming game against the defending Nat. champs...Tufts.!  Tufts has lost only to Bates and Amherst to date.  Amherst will meet Middlebury on Pratt Field on Sat.  Hope the LJs will be ready this time.  Time to even the score! :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 07, 2015, 07:36:03 pm
amh63,

Thanks for corroborating my son's report.  Tells me he was watching indeed the game, instead of making out with a coed.

To be honest, I'm sure the attendance was also helped by the following:
Now .... How soon can we start agitating to get NESCAC to allow our football teams to engage in post-season play?  If MIT can do it, why can't we?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 07, 2015, 07:49:22 pm
And please pardon my totally un-PC use of the phrase "coed".  In today's world, I should have said "having an animated discourse on world affairs with a fellow student of the opposite sex, same sex, or trans-sexual gender." 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 07, 2015, 08:58:52 pm
Some comments....
First...the 4 conference teams...in the same bracket....is like a repeat of the conference tourney.  All are highly ranked nationally...prefer new opponents....therefore a possible final 4 of CAC teams :).
Wrt to money..I agree on that point....however, all the CAC teams are hosting and their opponents have to travel....travel money differential is "peanuts".
Vandy...my congrats are for winning the Nescac title by beating the Ephs :).  The golf course in Willytown is the Taconic course...owned by Williams.  I walked the course with a friend who likes to play iconic great courses...Congressional in Md, Pebble Beach, the public course in LaJolla, Ca.....you get the pix.  Anyway, I was impressed with the caddy carts that followed you around...no golf carts. It was almost two decades ago....the technology application amused me.  It was on a business trip to Pittsfield, Ma.
Oh yes,  the men's games today.  Tufts crushed its opponent, Emmanual..21-6...led the entire game.  Amherst beat Castelton, 20-4 and Middlebury finally found its mojo in the 2nd half and won handily over Montclair St.   Bates is in a battle with Keene St...a team they beat earlier.

Taconic!  That's what I couldn't remember.  Beautiful golf course.  I played it in high school when Mt. Anthony hosted a big tournament there.  Bennington is as close to the VT/MA border on the north side as Williamstown is to the south.  Not sure if that was the course they used on a regular basis but Mt. A. was the team to beat in VT high school golf back then.  I also played it 5-6 years later with friends. 

The NESCAC is getting a lot of respect from the selection committee this year.  I think it was two seasons back that Middlebury finished ranked @ 13 or 14 and was left out.  They had been upset in the quarterfinals of the CAC tourney and the only  conference rep was Tufts. 

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 08, 2015, 02:15:13 pm
Nice to see the #10 ranked Cortland Men advance with a 9-8 win over Springfield College in the first round of the NCAA tournament on Wednesday afternoon. Cortland will now host Endicott, a 12-6 winner over Colorado College. The game will be at 5:00 PM on Saturday at Cortland. Cortland improves their record to 15-4 overall.

Cortland was down 8-7 after the 3rd quarter but scored early in the 4th quarter to tie the score and got the game winner with 8:57 to play. The Red Dragons held the Pride scoreless for the entire 4th quarter.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 09, 2015, 03:05:19 pm
All CAC 2nd round Men's Lax completed...host teams holding serve...tennis term, I know..but am a former tennis player.  In any case, Tufts beats a game Bates team ...13-8, while Amherst beats Middlebury 16-10...leading throughout the match.  Do want to point out that one Panther offensive player...Cleary?...wears black footing...shoes and socks, while the rest of the starters all have white footwear.  A little like another Middlebury MBB player I follow...the trend setter "DK".
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 09, 2015, 04:51:18 pm
All CAC 2nd round Men's Lax completed...host teams holding serve...tennis term, I know..but am a former tennis player.  In any case, Tufts beats a game Bates team ...13-8, while Amherst beats Middlebury 16-10...leading throughout the match.  Do want to point out that one Panther offensive player...Cleary?...wears black footing...shoes and socks, while the rest of the starters all have white footwear.  A little like another Middlebury MBB player I follow...the trend setter "DK".

Payback was the order of the day as Amherst and Tufts both turned the table on teams they had fallen to earlier in the season.  The black footing didn't seem to help.  The LJs were Clear(l)y the better team this afternoon. (sorry, long day)  In much closer action Tufts led only 8-7 after three quarters before putting the game away with a 5-1 advantage in the fourth.   Midd vs Amherst.  Tufts vs Bates.  Winners face off in the next round.  I thought the CAC tournament had already been played.  I often don't know what day it is ??? but I still have a pretty good handle on the week.  8-)   My rooting loyalties have already been stated.  Good luck to Amherst on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 10, 2015, 05:45:07 am
The Middlebury-MIT game begins at 11:30 due to the weather expected.  Just a heads up to the few who might check the board prior to game time.  Not anticipated to be much of a contest but if there is a way to make it so MIT student athletes are fully capable of figuring it out.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 10, 2015, 07:57:31 am
Stranger things have happened.  Who ever thought MIT would field a super-competitive football team?

Good luck to the Panthers.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 10, 2015, 10:14:56 am
10th ranked Cortland State defeats the 9th ranked Endicott Gulls 13-6 in an NCAA 2nd round game. The Red Dragons were down 1-0 as the Gulls scored 55 seconds into the game and it stayed that way for nearly 7 minutes.  The Red Dragons tied the game at 1 but Endicott took the lead once more with a goal at the 7:02 mark of the 1st period. Cortland then scored 2 goals in 49 seconds in the last 2 minutes of the period to grab a lead they would never lose. The 2nd period was all Cortland as they scored 4 unanswered goals and never looked back.

Cortland advances to the national quarterfinals for the 14th straight time and will face the top ranked team in the country, RIT on Wednesday, May 13th, at Tiger Stadium in Rochester at a time to be determined.

Cortland was led by Senior Matt Rakoczy and junior Zach Hopps as they each recorded three goals and two assists.

amh63....you were asking about Native American players earlier in April. Zach Hopps for Cortland is a member of the Mohawk Nation and lives near Massena NY in the Akwesasne Mohawk Community. With his 2 assists in this game he became just the 9th player in Cortland history to eclipse 100 assists for his career and will have 1 more year to extend his total.


The #2 ranked Cortland women's Lax team will take on Castleton State today in a game that will tip off in just about an hour from now at 11: 00 AM in Cortland.     
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 10, 2015, 01:17:59 pm
The #2 ranked Cortland women defeat Castleton State by a 21-4 final. Cortland will now play the winner of the Augustana (Ill.)-Concordia (Wis) that is being played at 2 PM today.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: P'bearfan on May 10, 2015, 02:48:44 pm
Congrats to the Lady Polar Bears who defeated Bridgewater State today 22-9.   11 different players scored for Bowdoin with Lindsay Picard and Emma Beecher leading the way with 5 and 4 goals respectively.

Great job and good luck in the next round.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 10, 2015, 03:37:11 pm
Congratulations to all the NESCAC teams today but especially to Hamilton for knocking off two-time defending champion Salisbury on the Seagulls home turf 9-8 in 2-OT.  They advance to next weekend's round in Gettysburg to face Middlebury, winners over a feisty MIT squad 19-9 this afternoon as Missy Foote coached her final home game. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 11, 2015, 12:13:56 am
Some incredible sweet sixteen matchups next Saturday:
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 11, 2015, 04:14:11 am
Some incredible sweet sixteen matchups next Saturday:
  • Cortland vs. Augustana, Mt. Union vs. Catholic and Pomona Pitzer vs. Trinity: Fans of underdogs everywhere will be waiting to see if the new kids on the block are ready to challenge the old guard?
  • Bowdoin vs. TCNJ should be a tough match up, and the winner will almost certainly face Trinity the next day.
  • Gettysburg vs. York.  The Spartans know how to play defense, and made it easy today, jumping out to a 6-0 lead over Union, then holding on to cruise to the win.  Can they deflect the Bullets?
  • Middlebury vs. Hamilton.  Missy Foote's Panthers are a team on a mission, but Patty Kloidt has a young team on the ascendency.  Who wants it more?
  • Freedonia v. Washington & Lee.  Both teams need to make a statement.  Each is capable of the W.
  • F&M vs. Tufts.  Mike Faith has a big, talented squad.  But the Jumbo's have faced off against some of the best teams in the country, week in and week out.  They won't be intimidated, and Courtney Farrell has shown she can get the most out of her players.  My pick for the game of the day.

I am in agreement with most of what you say here PolarCat.  Only Mt. Union, among the "new kids" is in a position to make a statement, however.  In Augustana's case it is a bit unfair.  They are a young program that has steadily improved and rather than be matched up against the #2 team in the country they have earned the right to show how credible a performance they are capable of giving a York or a Fredonia.  They wouldn't win those games but they wouldn't embarrass themselves either.  Pomona-Pitzer is no new kid.  They are the beneficiaries of being in the SCIAC which has no other conference allowed into the tournament closer to them than @ 1500 miles.  Two seasons back Augustana was sent out to lose to Redlands.  They didn't.  Other than that year the conference has been given it's own 1st round game between it's two best members.  They therefore automatically have a representative in the 2nd round.  They will give Trinity no problems.  Wesleyan beat them.  Use that as your yardstick.

I agree that Middlebury-Hamilton is an intriguing match up.  While I don't think Salisbury is as good as they have been in recent years they certainly weren't expected to lose to the Continentals, especially at home.  In the talent deep NESCAC Hamilton flies under the radar but it should be remembered they won the national championship while representing the Liberty Conference in 2008 and in 2010 lost the championship game by a single goal, to Salisbury btw.  This is the first time they have played at that level since joining the 'CAC but the program is no stranger to the competition. 

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 11, 2015, 09:55:46 am
Vandy....still keeping those unique hours.  Concerned a bit.
Where can I find out where those games are being held?  May drop in on the Hamilton vs Middlebury game in Gettysburg.  Need to check the time and my calendar.  See if the wife wants to drive up...depends on her schedule...and the weather....only about 50 miles North.  We did go up when Amherst was playing...like last season in the Final 4 against the SeaGulls.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 11, 2015, 11:56:48 am
Why not drive up for the weekend  The NCAA bracket (http://www.ncaa.com/interactive-bracket/lacrosse-women/d3) indicates that Gettysburg is playing York at 11:30, while Midd and Hamilton follow at 2:30.  All games will be held at Gettysburg's Clark Field.

And pack an overnight bag, because the Elite Eight battle between the winners at 2:30 Sunday will be a doozie. And there are worse ways to spend a Sunday morning than driving through the battlefield - I get chills every time I do.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 11, 2015, 03:19:30 pm
PolarCat.....thanks for the link.  No overnight...Sunday, has my wife and her church friends' picnic.  Gettysburg is a nice drive.  Town is great...had thoughts of retiring there...tax benefits in Pa.  Been there many times...am aware of the Civil War sights, etc. and Prez Ike's farm.  Interesting connection with Eisenhower and Amherst.  The former General of the War in Europe came to Amherst with his aide who was the official recorder of his war efforts.  That aide was my history professor on WW 2.  The War Memorial at Amherst  overlooking the playing fields was one impact of the visit.  The other was his grandson David,  an Amherst grad ...married Julie Nixon, a Smithie...who wrote about his grandfather.  I digress...but am a fan of the Civil War and several of its' generals as are many of the Bowdoin alums.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 11, 2015, 05:42:48 pm
I know nothing about D3 lacrosse.  Does Mount Union have any chance to beat Catholic or no?  I am aware that there is a large gap between the top programs and the rest and I know Mount isn't one of those top programs.  But I don't know if Catholic is usually one of them.  The problem is that playing largely other young programs we get no sense of where the Mount program is.  The only team from the east that they played was Fredonia.  Most of the rest were closer to home.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 11, 2015, 10:24:21 pm
I know nothing about D3 lacrosse.  Does Mount Union have any chance to beat Catholic or no?  I am aware that there is a large gap between the top programs and the rest and I know Mount isn't one of those top programs.  But I don't know if Catholic is usually one of them.  The problem is that playing largely other young programs we get no sense of where the Mount program is.  The only team from the east that they played was Fredonia.  Most of the rest were closer to home.

Mount Union is capable of beating Catholic.  I would be surprised if the Raiders didn't at least test them well into the second half.  Mt. Union beat Fredonia early in the season by a score of 9-7.  Fredonia is ranked #17.  They were beaten by #2 Cortland in the final round of the SUNYAC tournament 15-6.  Their only other loss was also to Cortland in the regular season and only by a 4 goal margin.  Fredonia twice defeated SUNYAC rival Geneseo who is ranked #18.  On paper, at least, Mt Union is capable of beating teams ranked at the bottom end of the Top 20.  Considering they have been the first team listed among those "also receiving votes" Mt Union most likely ranks #21 in the coaches' poll I refer to.  Catholic is ranked 10th or 11th but they did lose to Williams.  Williams has 8 losses but all were to ranked teams and all but one to a team in the NCAA tournament.  I believe the Ephs are still ranked #20.  Mt. Union vs Catholic is a very intriguing match up. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 12, 2015, 01:15:59 pm
Without much fanfare, the IWLCA All Region honors were announced yesterday.  Congratulations to all the girls who were honored, and all the teammates that helped them shine:

http://www.iwlca.org/information/SA_Awards/2015/2015_Division_I-_II-_III_All_Region
 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 12, 2015, 05:15:55 pm
I just learned Trinity's graduation is this weekend - Baccalaureate on Saturday, graduation on Sunday.  And on top of that, the Trinity Football coaches are hosting a HS recruiting event on Saturday.  What were they thinking?

For a campus in a horrible neighborhood with very limited parking, I'm not sure where they will put the buses, cars and tailgates from three visiting lacrosse teams.  Despite Trinity's #1 ranking, I can't help but wonder if the NCAA couldn't have found a better venue.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dr. Acula on May 12, 2015, 05:18:24 pm
Thanks for the response, Vandy.  +k

Hopefully the Raiders can play well and continue to build the program up.  I noticed from a scan of the roster that they are not nearly as Ohio/western PA centric as most Mount teams.  That's good.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 13, 2015, 06:24:27 pm
Congratulations to the Tufts men's team who advanced to the Final Four this afternoon with their 17-10 victory over the Lord Jeffs of Amherst.   Amherst had won the regular season in the NESCAC.  Nobody was playing better than Bates when it ended and Middlebury had a fine season as well.  But in the end nothing has changed.  Tufts remains the class of the 'CAC and good luck to them the rest of the way.

Just a personal aside.  Last Saturday evening I was shopping for a few groceries and found myself standing behind a Middlebury player in the check out line.  I gently brought up the disappointment of that afternoon and he replied that although it would hurt for a while the Panthers had exceeded the team's expectations going into the season. 

Again, best of luck and Go Jumbos!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 13, 2015, 07:51:03 pm
Cortland men fall to #1 RIT 18-7 in the NCAA Quarterfinals. 1st half was a tightly contested affair as the teams took turns gaining the lead on 4 different occasions with RIT ending up with a 6-5 halftime edge. The Tigers extended their lead to 9-5 in the 3rd before Cortland scored twice to make it 9-7. That would be the Red Dragons last hurrah however as RIT got one more in the 3rd and scored 8 unanswered goals in the 4th quarter to win going away. Cortland ends up with a 16-5 final record and tied for 5th place nationally. RIT will now face Tufts in the National Semifinals on Sunday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 14, 2015, 10:41:56 am
Though I am not as comfy as Vandy insupporting the Jumbos advancement to the Final 4...too soon. I will admit that Tufts was the better team this season.  Amherst did overcome their weakness but the stats showed the Tufts' better team effort.  Amherst graduates 12 seniors...my congrats to them and all the other CAC seniors in the Lax programs!
What the heck....Go Jumbos!!
Any visit to the Gettysburg " battlegrounds" on Sat. Will be stag....wife has other plans...even some for me...But.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 15, 2015, 10:23:10 am
An interesting piece of info....to me...found on the CAC board.  Seems that both the men's and women's seniors Lax players on the Tufts teams had an early graduation event.  Both teams play on when the main graduation event is held.  Guess each CAC school makes their own arrangements.  Last year, several Amherst senior tennis players flew from California...location of the NCAA...the night before graduation at Amherst.  Last season several players on the baseball team at Auburn, NY were driven back to Amherst to take exams.
In my days...the dark ages...but fun era :)...if you did not have a shirt and tie on under the black gown, your sheepskin diploma...in Latin...was pulled and you would get a blank one.  Have to apologize to the Prez before getting a real one.  I believe the diploma is still a "sheepskin" and in Latin.  My kids' diplomas were when the 21th century rolled around...long after Harvard went to English.  Small things matter to parents....my father was disappointed when my older brother did not receive his diploma from the Prez....separate ceremony held at his House.  One reason my late father never donated any money to Harvard.   Yes, I am digressing.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 15, 2015, 04:36:26 pm
Fun stuff to digress about.  Couple of tidbits to add on a slow news Friday:

8 seniors at a certain NESCAC school will walk across the stage on graduation day, but will not get diplomas.  Not because they flunked a course, or made politically incorrect cucumber jokes to Dean Wormer's wife, but because said school did not have enough classes / professors to allow these 8 to take one of the courses required for their major.  Proving that there is a dark underbelly to the highly touted "small class size."  Presumably, after spending a quarter million on their education, these 8 will have to attend summer school to "graduate."  The parents must be livid.

Graduation Day may be the best of times and the worst of times for the Trinity WLAX seniors.  They graduate this Sunday between 11:00 and 1:30, then trade their caps and gowns for their cleats and goggles, facing the winner of the Bowdoin - TCNJ game at 3:30.  The Polar Bears are hoping to ruin the Bantams' day, even though the Polar Bear seniors would miss their own graduation the following weekend.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 15, 2015, 05:43:06 pm
PolarCat.....like the buried " Animal House " reference in your post :). plus K.  Some of your school alums would scare me to death as I got a ride back from Mt. Holyoke over the Notch.  The drivers were too much like the characters in that film.  Can even remember the real roadhouse and remember a real party with the big Band....believe it was held at the Amherst AD house.
I would have the President of the school in court if one of my kids had to go to Summer School After a Graduation event!   Williams and Amherst both walk a thin line wrt to course credits in Geology. To honor in a major, one must "write/ produce" a worthy thesis.  In geology, to get a thesis topic, one must attend a geology field course held in Montana....held through Princeton/ UPenn.  Kids from around the country take the course.  All get grades for the course....except those campers from Williams and Amherst.  I was not happy about paying for that course for my older son....complained to the Prez and got a scholarship for my son...money from the Prez's special funds. Memories again.

Planning a trip to see Middlebury play on Sat.  A salute to Missy Foote.  Hard to meet her as the teams are on the opposite side of the field from the fans.  Possible showers in the afternoon forecasted.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 15, 2015, 07:07:55 pm
Glad you convinced the Mrs. that watching WLAX was a better way to spend your Saturday than whatever chores she had lined up.  +K back at you for having your priorities right (and making the sale).

Good luck to the Panthers - hoping they beat Hamilton, then Gettysburg, then Cortland, so we can play them again in Philly.  I will buy you and Vandy your choice of hoagie and soft pretzel if that happens.  And throw in some Shoo Fly Pie if Bowdoin prevails.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 16, 2015, 03:31:36 am
I haven't had much opportunity to do more than check in here lately.  It's good to see some regular chatter on this board.  Best of luck to all NESCAC teams except Hamilton tomorrow.....err....this afternoon.  I've always had a tendency to keep these hours amh63.  I just didn't need as much sleep as I seem to now. :P  I am on my way to bed when I finish this however.   I wish I were joining you in Gettysburg.  Give my best to Missy in the event you do succeed in getting a minute or to of her attention.  I also wish the games weren't all starting at the same time.  I would really like to see how Mt. Union plays against Catholic.  And as for your offer should Bowdoin prevail PolarCat, my taste buds favor apple pandowdy. ;)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 16, 2015, 07:25:11 pm
Got to see a few minutes of a feature on the Middlebury Women's Lacrosse team last night on the local Plattsburgh TV station. Missy Foote was interviewed as well as several of the players on the team. They seemed to be confident going into today's match against Hamilton. Think it was filmed a couple of days ago.

The Middlebury-Hamilton just ended a few minutes ago and the Panthers defeated Hamilton by an 18-10 final score. Hamilton scored first but then the Panthers rolled to an 8-1 lead. Hamilton came back to make it 9-5 at the break. Middlebury then opened up a 15-7 lead with about 15 minutes left to play and coasted to the win. They will play York (Pa.), who beat host Gettysburg 8-7, tomorrow at 2:30 PM.

#2 Cortland State had an easy time against Augustana (Ill.) as they beat the Vikings 21-2. The Red Dragons scored 4 goals in the first 4 minutes of the game and the rout was on. Cortland led 15-0 at the half and 19-0 before Augustana finally got on the board. Cortland will take on Catholic tomorrow at 1:00 PM. Catholic was a 21- 8  winner over Mount Union. 

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 16, 2015, 09:18:32 pm
Survived my trip to Gettysburg.  Magicman...thanks for filling the board here of the game...in the 2nd half.  Recalled the 9-5 first half score.  I left the game when it started pouring...delaying the game for the second time.  It was 9-4 when there was lighting in the area...automatic 30 minute delay....with around 8 minutes to go.  Got to talk to a number of the Continentals parents as well as Midd parents.
During the break, did get to chat with Vandy's brother....husband of Missy Foote.  Also a father of a Panther player who lives just a skip away from Amherst in Granby, Ma.
Did chat with the Middlebury football coach a bit about the new QB transfer.  He tells me that the kid is a VT resident!  Forgot that Coach Ritter has two players on the team.  Did sit with his wife and the wife's parents...Philly resident.  Tried to behave myself.  Bumped into a Hamilton football coach...guess he was the Hamilton rep for NCAA purposes.  Coach Ritter seemed to me he wished he was the NCAA rep......seems the Midd AD...Quinn?...took that role.  At Amherst, such a role is usually given to a football coach person.
Even talked to a Polar Bear fan who was present....closest CAC game he could attend.  Sitting in the stands, he was trying to check on the Bowdoin game.  Told him it was 3-3 and then 4-4 before we the fans had to leave the game due to lightning in the area.
Parking was difficult.  Seems that there was a men's Lax going on at the same time and Gettysburg was holding Graduation!  Talk about confusion.  There was even a sidewalk sale event in downtown Gettysburg that tied up traffic.
All in all, it was an experience....met nice fans and football coaches and got wet in a downpour.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 16, 2015, 09:29:55 pm
Well, that was a painful end to an exciting season.  After jumping out to a quick 3-0 lead in the first 7 minutes of play, the Bowdoin Polar Bears repeated the same mistakes they'd made at Trinity's Sheppard Field just 2 weeks previously, turning the ball over with sloppy passes and unforced errors, and letting their opponent dictate the time of possession and the pace of the game.  The game was tied at halftime, and Bowdoin scored first in the second period, but after that TCNJ held the Polar Bears scoreless, while wearing down the D with time of possession.

It was all over when TCNJ went up 8-5 with 12 minutes remaining, and began running out the clock.  The game wasn't as lop-sided as the final score would suggest, since Bowdoin switched out GK's and let the GK come out and double the ball.  TCNJ's final goal was scored on an empty net.  But hats off to TCNJ for playing an excellent game on both ends of the field.

It was a bitter-sweet loss for the Bowdoin Seniors, who will now get to graduate with their Class next Saturday.  And the final Bowdoin tailgate was epic.  Our girls may not have finished #1 in the nation, but I doubt there is any team that enjoys such gourmet feasts after every game.  (It was fun watching the HS kids who were there for the Football Skills Clinic, and the Trinity '15 families walk by our tailgate area with their eyes popping out at our Bear Bacchanalia).

2015 was a really fun ride.  We'll be back.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 16, 2015, 10:13:41 pm
Since no one else here has mentioned it...  The most heart-breaking loss of the season belongs to Gettysburg.  The Bullets were down 8-7 to York with 6 seconds to go, when a Gettysburg first year found the back of the net to tie the game.

The only problem was, in the ensuing celebration multiple Bullets dropped their sticks, and the refs could not do a stick check on the girl who actually scored, so they waved the goal off.

Poor Carol Cantele.  She brought her team this far, including a defeat of arch-rival F&M and looked to be going to OT, only to lose because of player exuberance.  That's gonna leave a mark.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 16, 2015, 11:00:22 pm
Survived my trip to Gettysburg.  Magicman...thanks for filling the board here of the game...in the 2nd half.  Recalled the 9-5 first half score.  I left the game when it started pouring...delaying the game for the second time.  It was 9-4 when there was lighting in the area...automatic 30 minute delay....with around 8 minutes to go.  Got to talk to a number of the Continentals parents as well as Midd parents.
During the break, did get to chat with Vandy's brother....husband of Missy Foote.  Also a father of a Panther player who lives just a skip away from Amherst in Granby, Ma.
Did chat with the Middlebury football coach a bit about the new QB transfer.  He tells me that the kid is a VT resident!  Forgot that Coach Ritter has two players on the team.  Did sit with his wife and the wife's parents...Philly resident.  Tried to behave myself.  Bumped into a Hamilton football coach...guess he was the Hamilton rep for NCAA purposes.  Coach Ritter seemed to me he wished he was the NCAA rep......seems the Midd AD...Quinn?...took that role.  At Amherst, such a role is usually given to a football coach person.
Even talked to a Polar Bear fan who was present....closest CAC game he could attend.  Sitting in the stands, he was trying to check on the Bowdoin game.  Told him it was 3-3 and then 4-4 before we the fans had to leave the game due to lightning in the area.
Parking was difficult.  Seems that there was a men's Lax going on at the same time and Gettysburg was holding Graduation!  Talk about confusion.  There was even a sidewalk sale event in downtown Gettysburg that tied up traffic.
All in all, it was an experience....met nice fans and football coaches and got wet in a downpour.

Sounds like you had a great time amh63.  I'm a bit jealous.  I'm glad you met my brother Dick.  The lightning delay worked in Midd's favor I thought.  They seemed to play much stronger defense in the second half.  That early 8-1 lead was largely because they had controlled the draws and Hamilton rarely had the ball.  The Continentals scored at will whenever they did possess it.  3 goals in 2 and a half minutes.  Very little D played on either side before the lightning began and I wondered if it was one of those no lead is big enough kind of games.  I lost the video feed for the final five minutes and had to settle for live stats.

Magicman, I had missed the York upset over Gettysburg.  Very strange.  Placing the Panthers in this regional should have given Missy one last shot at two teams she has regularly scheduled over the years for the Spring Break trip because her mom lives in the area and it gives her a chance to visit.  Both Salisbury along with Gettysburg were beaten before those match ups could take place.

Disappointed but not totally surprised by how easily Catholic dispatched Mt. Union.  But the on-paper data doesn't lie.  The Raiders were capable of playing them much closer.  Come tournament time experience counts for a lot and Catholic's program had it.  Mt Union will be here again and they will be better prepared.  It didn't help that they were basically unchallenged in their last ten games.  Almost every 1st round game has a clear cut heavy favorite and they were that.  But since conference play dominates the last month of the season Mt. Union needs for at least a few in-conference foes to take the game as seriously as they do.  If that doesn't happen they need to play a strong out of conference schedule and fit one of those games into the last week or two.  The Raiders are already too good to just utilize the local NCAC teams exclusively for that purpose.  Scheduling Fredonia was good.  Three or four more games against that caliber opponent are necessary.

Very sorry to see Bowdoin's fine season end today but when two such talented teams match up one has to lose.  TCNJ's GK Kelly Schlupp was outstanding.  I leave it to PolarCat to give the report on this one. 

PolarCat, I see that you posted while I was composing this.  I often ignore the "Warning".  Glad I didn't this time.  That is a lousy way to lose the opportunity to decide it in OT.  The rule being what it is I don't see how else the officials could have handled it but it does seem inadequate.   The play on the field, not technicalities, should determine an outcome.  Very sad.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 17, 2015, 09:37:15 am
Vandy74.....a sort of last word post.  The Midd player Bridget Instrum is a Div 1 transfer.  Her father, wearing a field hockey Panther shirt is an ice hockey fan.  While chatting about Canadian hockey players in the CAC, I found out he is an avid golfer.  May want to chat with him.  He knew all about Taconic and the first class golf course that runs by Mt. Holyoke College.  He also knows about the Amherst Alum who is building links type golf courses on his own dime as a sort of " hobby".  Built three great courses out west....Brandon Dunes, etc.  Mr. Instrum has played those and told me there are new ones being built in Nova Scotia!  The Amherst Alum was never a good college golfer but loves the game.  Funding comes from his recycled paper Card Co. In Illinois.
Yes, still digressing.  Could mention that the late Callaway ....of golf club fame...son was an art major at Amherst and is famous on his own via Callaway Corvette engines, etc. I'm told that those limited engines exceed 150-200K apiece if you can get one.  Next time you visit your niece at Amherst, maybe you should bring your clubs.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 17, 2015, 06:20:40 pm
Cortland Girls defeat Catholic in a hard fought game by a final score of 13-12 Sunday afternoon. Cortland dominated the first half and led by a 9-2 score but the Cardinal ladies rallied in the 2nd half. After the teams traded 2 goals each and Catholic was still down by 7 goals at 11-4, the Cardinals ripped off 3 goals in 52 seconds to make it a game. They scored again with 14 minutes left to make it 11-8 but the Red Dragons answered 83 seconds later to make it 12-8. Catholic scored a pair of goals with about 5 minutes left to make it 12 -10 but Cortland won the ensuing draw control and scored with 3:58 left which ended up being the game winner. Catholic scored with 1:24 left and again with just 54 seconds to pull within 1 goal. The Cardinals had one last chance to tie it up when Cortland, attempting to run out the clock turned the ball over with 10 seconds to play. Catholic failed to get a shot off, however when a pass across the crease went awry and Cortland held on to make it to the Final Four for the 5th consecutive year.


Middlebury is joining the Red Dragons in the Final Four as Missy Foote's final season continues. In a game that wasn't as close as the final score indicates the Panthers defeated York(Pa.) 10-8.

The teams traded goals in the early going and the Spartans were up 3-2 with 14:25 left in the half. Middlebury got serious at that point and scored 5 unanswered goals with 3 of them coming in a 2 minute burst. After a 4 minute span with no goals, the Panthers tacked on 2 more and kept York off the scoreboard for the rest of the period, to take a 7-3 lead into the break.

The lead grew to 9-4 after 10 minutes of the 2nd half and the Spartans fought to get back into the game with a pair of goals over the next 10 minutes to make it 9-6 with just under 10 minutes to play. Defense took over and the next 6 minutes were scoreless until Bridget Instrum scored her 4th goal of the game with 3:22 to play to make it 10-6. With a 4 goal lead the Panthers gave up a couple of late goals to make the final of 10-8. Middlebury advances to the Final Four for the 15th time.

Trinity(Conn.) gives the NESCAC another Final Four participant as they will take on Franklin & Marshall in the other semifinal.

Look like amh63 had a big day at Gettysburg. Sorry to hear that T-storms spoiled part of the day. You did get to meet an awful lot of people though. You are quite the social gadabout.

Not happy that Middlebury has to play Cortland in the National Semifinals. Torn loyalties. May have to root for the Panthers even though I'm a SUNYAC guy. Would love to see the Cortland Red Dragons win a National Championship since they have been so close in the past 4 years but would also love to see Vandy's sister-in-law, Missy Foote, go out with a bang by winning the National Championship. I think Cortland has the better chance to go all the way but anything can happen at this point with all 4 teams left capable of winning the Big Doorstop.     
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 17, 2015, 07:17:50 pm
Magicman...the Big doorstop! :). Like it +K
Watched a little Div 1 men's Lax...Johns Hopkins was playing no.2 Syracuse in Annapolis Md.  When I left for a picnic, JHU was up 3 goals with around 5 minutes to go.  the Orangeman player Straats is a member of an Indian tribe.  Seems no lead is safe among powerhouse teams.  It was hot and humid and announcers pointed out that defense starts to break down late in games.
For some reason, I attract people....seeing a strange person wearing NO purple with an Amherst Basketball hat.  Will admit I do have an out of place person image...but do dress fashionable/correct with socks on, pants zipped, etc.
Tufts did pull an upset over RIT....undefeated RIT.  Still upset about Cortland State beating Amherst in the NY regional baseball game.....down 5-0 in the sixth, Cortland scores 7 runs to win 7-5.  Cortland had the deeper team.  Amherst pitcher ran out of gas.
Go Red Dragons.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 17, 2015, 08:44:01 pm
I watched that baseball game amh63 and I thought of you at various times during the contest. First, how happy you would be that the LJ's beat the top team in the country as the 5-0 lead late in the game seemed insurmountable. Later how disappointed you would be that the LJ's let a nice lead disappear and lost it in the last few frames. Got to hand it to Cortland as they came back from deficits in their first 3 games to win them all.  Rooting for the Red Dragons to win the D3 World Series.

I must confess that "The Big Doorstop" is a phrase I first heard used by Gregory Sager over on the D3hoops boards and have borrowed it on occasion. Greg is "The Man" when it comes to inventing novel expressions on the D3 boards. I wish I could remember his Titanic references as they were classic Sager.

Tufts didn't just beat #1 RIT they appeared to handle them pretty easily after a close first half. The Jumbos seem to have the Tiger's number having beaten them 4 of the last 5 times in the NCAA tournament. Need Tufts to win the Championship so the title resides in the Northeast. Lynchburg will be a tough opponent. Should be a good game. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 18, 2015, 07:24:36 am
This so cool.  Chatter on the Lax board.  Last season nobody was here except NCF and myself.  NCF  was simply curious to learn what this sport that so many athletes coached over the years were turning to.  As before, too busy will other matters to really post anything worth reading.  Will try to rectify that later.  Love the inciteful posts of magicman and amh63.  Would like to see something from our two Mt. Union reps.  That 21-8 final score against Catholic is very misleading.  The  "just glad to be here" programs score 1 or 2 against that caliber opponent.  All 8 were scored against Catholic's starting GK.  The Raiders were very much in the game well into the 1st half.  It was tied 4-4 at one point.  Mt. Union will be a true player very soon.  Only one senior.  NESCAC et al. we have been given fair warning.   More to say later.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 18, 2015, 10:10:43 am
Update on the Gettysburg-York game.  PolarKitten is friends with the Bullet player who scored the goal that was called back.  (They played club lacrosse together). Contrary to initial reports, there was only ONE additional stick thrown on the ground - a teammate who threw hers in the air in exultation so she could hug the girl who scored.

It does seem like the refs could have resolved this without calling the goal back - at worst, they could have checked both sticks.  Heart breaking.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 18, 2015, 04:37:02 pm
Update on the Gettysburg-York game.  PolarKitten is friends with the Bullet player who scored the goal that was called back.  (They played club lacrosse together). Contrary to initial reports, there was only ONE additional stick thrown on the ground - a teammate who threw hers in the air in exultation so she could hug the girl who scored.

It does seem like the refs could have resolved this without calling the goal back - at worst, they could have checked both sticks.  Heart breaking.

PolarCat.....    Thanks for the clarification of what really happened.  I mentioned the incident to a friend who has two daughters that play or have played at the collegiate level and he suggested the same.  Just check all the sticks.  He also has experience as a ref in several sports although not in lacrosse.  That said, the refs don't make the rules.  They enforce them and if a situation is covered in some way they have to use the rule book to make their judgement.  It's a fairly safe assumption that almost all refs are former players and don't enjoy having to make this kind of decision.  I have checked through the rule book to see what is specifically stated.  While the exact incident is not mentioned, three different rules taken together seem to allow the officials no way out of nullifying the goal.  First, "throwing the crosse for any reason" is a "minor foul".  Second, any foul committed in the act of scoring be it before, during or after the goal will be enforced.  Third, the result of such enforcement of a violation by the offensive team will result in the nullification of the goal.  There really is no gray area here.  What can be complained about is the "throwing the crosse for any reason" rule.  This like so many other rules in the women's game (that really set my friend's teeth on edge) are for "player safety" because since they are female they need special protection.  (Remember the way women's basketball used to be played?)  I think mention has been made on this board previously that at the DI level, at least, it has been lobbied to require the wearing of helmets specifically to allow more aggressive play.  But back to the point, the three rules I mention are in the book and would seem to allow the refs no discretion in making the call.  Once rules are in place, common sense goes right out the window, sad to say.  The only upside here is that from what I've read about the game York outplayed Gettysburg in every way possible and only those in the stands wearing the host team's colors would disagree.  That, however, does not change the fact that on the field of play Gettysburg managed the game tying goal just as time was expiring.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: MUC57 on May 19, 2015, 01:24:14 pm
Vandy74

Thanks for the kind words about the Mount Union team. I really respect your knowledge of the sport. You see things that even I wouldn't see although I have watched them play all season. You called it right when you talked about it being almost a "scrimmage" for the east coast teams. Damn, those teams are really good. Catholic sure did show Mount what it's about. But as you said, Mount only loses 1 player to graduation so, should be back next year. Thanks again. I will follow your posts with great interest.

I began posting here to learn a little more about lacrosse. It seems I got into a pi$$ing contest with PolarCat, who seems to be obsessed with how many points Mount scores. He has stated he has no respect for Mount and would like to see them lose 30-5 to Cortland. How about 21-8 to Catholic? I guess that makes him happy. Now we know what it feels like! I'm sure the entire Mount Union team will pout, sulk and recite numerous mea culpas over the way they have treated other teams.

So, I will keep an eye out for your posts. Maybe I'll pick up some pointers and learn more about this great game. Best to all your teams.

Once again, about Wisconsin-Whitewater..................?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 19, 2015, 05:44:02 pm
I thought we'd beaten that topic to death, but maybe not.  Sorry you feel the need to take that tone, but clearly it's your prerogative.

Just so my words aren't further twisted:  I consider BLOWOUTS to be unsportsmanlike.  20-2 is a blowout.  21-8 is not.  From what I've heard, your team hung with Catholic for much of the game, for which I congratulate them.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 20, 2015, 11:32:53 am
Want to congratulate all the men and women LAX players that made the All-Academic lists.  Listing just came out.  Special "shout outs" to those that made both the all-academic list as well as the all conference list.  However, all student athletes in the conference deserve a pat on the back...in particular those graduates this year.  Me, I barely got through some courses if I tried any other activities.  I found it easier going full time at MIT graduate school than at Amherst.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 20, 2015, 05:41:51 pm
PolarCat......see former HFC Caputti is going to Middlebury as OC.  Since his daughter is a Jr. On the Lax team there, ....is there a possibility that his other daughter will transfer to Middlebury and join her sister?  I know that this is a possible unfair question for you to inquire into...But...how about a probability of a family move guess.  The son at Bowdoin is graduating. 
Forgot where the youngest child is going in the Fall? 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 21, 2015, 09:57:12 am
Anything's possible, but...  The middle daughter is a 2 sport athlete for the Polar Bears (WBB and WLAX).  She grew up in Brunswick, has a ton of friends there, and I'd be surprised to see her transfer.  The youngest daughter is going to be a Colby Mule next year, also playing WLAX.

So my guess is they'll have 4 different family members at 3 different 'CAC's next year.  (Which in the end is probably more convenient than having one at Michigan, one at UCLA, one at Florida and one at Tennessee).  But in the end, that's just a guess.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 22, 2015, 07:30:11 am
If you haven't seen it, here's the YouTube video of the disallowed Gettysburg goal.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLU7nNJFpp4  My thoughts:

Gettysburg's #15 (Katie Landry) does an amazing job rolling the crease, then keeping her cool, collecting her own rebound and scoring what could have been the tying goal.  Great play for a first year, and I'm sure we'll be hearing a lot from / about her in the future.  Unfortunately, she throws her stick about 5 meters away from where she scored.

3 other sticks are on the ground: a defender's stick right where the goal was scored from (which may have been checked in the act of shooting), and 2 Bullet sticks.  Neither one of those was near where the shot was made ... but then again, neither was Katie Landry's.

Just watching the body language, the ref with the pony tail (the one who disallowed the goal) was acting like she had something to prove.  We have no idea what transpired prior to this play (maybe she'd cautioned the Bullet players or bench earlier and had gotten an earful), but she certainly isn't acting very cool and impartial in the clip.

To my way of thinking, it appears Katie was fouled by 2 separate York defenders as she was shooting, BUT she also could have been called for dangerous propelling.

So I think this particular play could have had several different outcomes.  In the end, Gettysburg should not have allowed York to control the game and put them in this position.  PolarKitten will be seeing Katie this weekend (a mini reunion of some buddies from their club team) so I may have more insights later.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 23, 2015, 01:03:19 am
PolarCat,

I'll be interested to hear what your daughter has to say after her reunion with the players including Katie Landry.  After watching this almost a dozen times looking for reasons for there to have been a problem other than what I speculated concerning the three rules mentioned previously I still believe I was right.  Any player other than the scorer dropping her stick after a goal must be a rules violation.  The Gettysburg site has an article about the game and states that the officials were unable to determine which stick to check.  That's rather unlikely since there were only four on the ground.  A fifth stick was also dropped later for a brief period.   One was obviously that of the York player who could easily have been called for a shooting space violation OR ruled having been fouled by Landry in the act of scoring.  Both rulings seem plausible.  Neither appear obvious.  But she was CLOCKED!  I can't believe there was no call either way and both would have nullified the goal.  The shooting space violation would have awarded Landry a free position shot.  Ironic that a rare instance of the refs just "letting them play" should result in a stick violation afterward.  Landry threw her stick about five yards ahead of her after she scored.  None of the other sticks were close enough to cause confusion.  Since at least one of the three (or was it four) officials must have kept her/his eye on Landry for the mere split second after her goal to see her toss her stick the idea that none of them could ID which was hers is ludicrous.  The rule has to be that only the scorer can drop it.  The story on the Laxpower Magazine site states that the goal nullification was brought about because of "multiple sticks" being dropped.  Period.  Nothing is said about confused officials.  It's a ridiculous sounding rule but it must be one. ::)   It would seem that players should know the rule but when you think about it only a last second goal to tie or win a game would result in such a euphoric momentary mental lapse.  It doesn't happen that often.  These are 20 year old student athletes.  As students, they're still learning. ;)

As for the ref with something to prove I believe you are being a bit harsh.  She was the one who immediately knew a stick violation had occurred and while she was trying to alert everyone to that fact the players were picking up their sticks.  #2 Abby Baigelman picked up hers. (If the problem was confusion as to which stick to check that should have helped solve it.)  In fact, #3 Maggie Connolly had dropped her stick after the others, hugged Landry and gone back and picked it up.  As she did she was confronted by the ref who had still not been able to get everyone's attention.  What she said was for the players to freeze as they do whenever the officials stop the clock and every time the whistle blows during the final two minutes of a half.  At that point, btw, the only stick on the ground that the camera showed was Landry's and she was standing right by it.  Again, THE stick in question never seems to have been the issue. 

Just to clarify one comment, I never saw the fourth official on the field during play and when the game resumed for the final six seconds she was standing on the sideline as an observer.  She along with the head official, not the one who made the call, was involved in the conversations with the coaches.  I assume she is the NCAA rep that one of the critiquing members of the peanut gallery hoped was present.

Lousy rule, lousy way for a game to end.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 23, 2015, 01:25:57 am
Magicman,

The week sort of got away from me here.  I know that ordinarily you would be rooting for Cortland tomorrow but I seem to recall your gracious admittance of wanting to see Coach Missy Foote go out on top in her final season.  Cortland has been banging on the door for a long time.  If you root for Middlebury I will appreciate it.  If you find yourself cheering on the Red Dragons, understood my friend.  Should the SUNYAC representative prevail tomorrow I admit I will probably root for them on Sunday regardless of who they're up against.  ;)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 23, 2015, 01:45:29 am
It seems nobody has posted on the tennis board in quite a while.  Amh63 uses this one for other less followed sports so I guess I will too.  Congratulations to HC Bob Hanson and Middlebury on making it to the national championship finals on Wednesday albeit to lose to Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 5-0.  In the individual competition still going on Middlebury's doubles team of Peter Heidrich and Palmer Campbell advanced to tomorrow's semifinal match against the same duo from C-M-S, Warren Wood and Joe Dorn, who defeated them in the team event.  Time for a little payback.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 23, 2015, 03:10:42 pm
Congratulations to Cortland State, winners of today's NCAA semifinal game over Middlebury by the score of 19-12.  Middlebury put on a clinic for the first twelve minutes virtually maintaining control of the ball the entire time.  Draw control, the most important stat in the game.  You can have all the firepower in the world but you can't score without the ball.  From that point on, except for a brief Panther run in the second half it was all Red Dragons doing what Middlebury had done to start the game and more.  Congrats again to the winners and best of luck tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 23, 2015, 06:04:41 pm
Hats off to Trinity.  They faced a really physical F&M team (so physical I was waiting for the red cards to start appearing), but played their own game.  Coach Dissinger's strategy for Martha Griffin was nothing swhort of brilliant.  and unlike their opponents tomorrow, they displayed tons of class by passing the ball around at the end, instead of shooting on an open net,  Well done.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 24, 2015, 01:01:35 pm
I got your PM Vandy and I must confess I was so busy in my store yesterday that I never even got a chance to look at the game between Cortland and Middlebury. :( In fact it completely slipped my mind until I got the email telling me I had a PM from you, and when I read it I wondered how in the world after following the lacrosse teams all season I could forget about these games. :-[ Sorry to see Missy's final season come to an end. I was surprised to read that the Panthers opened with a 4-0 lead but failed to hold onto it. Have to give the Red Dragons credit for fighting back and going ahead by halftime. Now of course I will be able to devote my full attention to the ladies from Cortland and hope that they do indeed bring home the Walnut and Bronze.

Not only did I miss the lacrosse games but the Cortland Men's Baseball team has gone 2-0 in the College World Series and are the only undefeated team in their pool. I completely missed those 2 games as well. I have just had too many things going on the past week.

The men now have 2 chances to advance to the title series and are supposed to play today at 5:15 against the winner of the Frostburg State/Ramapo elimination game. Should Cortland lose that game later today they will play the same team tomorrow for the pool title and the right to face the other pool winner (probably Wisconsin-La Crosse) in the Championship Series.

So I could be doing some switching back and forth today as the Women's Lax Final starts at 4:30 and the baseball game goes off at 5:15. A double Red Dragon win will probably be too much to ask for but I can wish it. ;D   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 24, 2015, 06:15:47 pm
Cortland leads Trinity 8-2 at the half. Cortland scored 2 goals inside of the first 3 minutes before the Bantams scored with 8 minutes gone by. It stayed that way until Cortland scored again with 13 minutes left in the half. The Red Dragons tacked on 2 more goals over the next 4 minutes and then got another one with 6 minutes to go t make it 6-1. Trinity got their 2nd goal with 4:36 left but the half ended with Cortland putting 2 more markers on the scoreboard. The 7th goal came with only 16 seconds left in the half and to add insult to injury the Red Dragons scored again 12 seconds later with only 4 ticks left to play. Both last second goals were scored by Cortland's Marilyn Farrell. That had to be a huge lift for the Cortland team going into the break.  Trinity needs to score a few quick goals early on to get back into this game in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 24, 2015, 06:57:08 pm
Looks like the 2nd half of the Championship game was just more of the first half as Cortland outscored the Trinity Bantams 9-4 in the 2nd to win this game going away by a 17-6 final score. Congratulations to the Red Dragons who finally get the Big Doorstop after knocking on the door for a number of years.   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 24, 2015, 07:03:12 pm
Congratulations to Cortland.  They whipped Trinity on fundamentals: dominating the draw controls, incredible rides, and maybe the best GK play I've seen yet in D3.  And Oberle was truly spectacular.  Trinity just didn't have their usual mojo today, but even if they'd played up to their normal standards, I don't think it would have mattered.

Happy to see Cortland win their first National Championship (though it might have been classier to congratulate the Bantams before donning those ball caps and T shirts  ::)).  A fitting end to a great season, and an incredible tournament.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 24, 2015, 07:12:34 pm
Was waiting for Magicman to post the BIG win for Cortland State's over Trinity! :). Guess he is too much of a gentleman to do so on this board.  Since I am presently in the "backyard" of Cortland visiting my daughter's family....I will do the honors....Cortland 17-6 over Trinity.  A trouncing of the no.2 team over the no. 1 team.  Trinity never seemed to me to be in the game.
The Nescac did prevail in other title games.  The Jumbos won the men's title...back to back Lax champs.  Tufts also won the softball title....amazing undefeated season...1-0 win.  Only 4 total hits in the match...3 hits by Tufts and 1 hit by their opponent.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 24, 2015, 08:04:36 pm
amh63.....I have had the opportunity to watch a basketball with magicman as my Panthers beat his Plattsburg Cardinals.  Middhoops and I also had a few pregame beers with with him when he made to trip to Middlebury with some buddies the previous season.   He is a true gentleman as you say.    Big Congrats to Cortland State today.  I was visiting a friend recovering from some health problems and was unable to watch but the decisiveness of the victory is impressive.  After beating Middlebury 19-12 and Trinity 17-6 one has to look at the narrow 13-12 margin of the Red Dragons' Regional Final win over Catholic and perhaps give additional kudos to Mount Union for the solid first half they played against those Cardinals before the game's outcome became obvious.   Congratulations to a very fine Cortland team and to the SUNYAC as well.  Party Hearty.  You've earned it.

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps' doubles team of Warren Wood and Joe Dorn proved to be too much for Middlebury's Peter Heidrich and Palmer Campbell in yesterday's semifinals individual match officially ending the Panthers' fine season.  It was the third time this season the two pairs had competed against each other.   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 24, 2015, 10:01:03 pm
Was waiting for Magicman to post the BIG win for Cortland State's over Trinity! :). Guess he is too much of a gentleman to do so on this board.  Since I am presently in the "backyard" of Cortland visiting my daughter's family....I will do the honors....Cortland 17-6 over Trinity.  A trouncing of the no.2 team over the no. 1 team.  Trinity never seemed to me to be in the game.
The Nescac did prevail in other title games.  The Jumbos won the men's title...back to back Lax champs.  Tufts also won the softball title....amazing undefeated season...1-0 win.  Only 4 total hits in the match...3 hits by Tufts and 1 hit by their opponent.

amh63,

Thank you for calling me a gentleman (and thanks to Vandy as well) but I did say a little bit about the Cortland/Trinity game on the previous page. Here are the posts....The first half post:

Cortland leads Trinity 8-2 at the half. Cortland scored 2 goals inside of the first 3 minutes before the Bantams scored with 8 minutes gone by. It stayed that way until Cortland scored again with 13 minutes left in the half. The Red Dragons tacked on 2 more goals over the next 4 minutes and then got another one with 6 minutes to go t make it 6-1. Trinity got their 2nd goal with 4:36 left but the half ended with Cortland putting 2 more markers on the scoreboard. The 7th goal came with only 16 seconds left in the half and to add insult to injury the Red Dragons scored again 12 seconds later with only 4 ticks left to play. Both last second goals were scored by Cortland's Marilyn Farrell. That had to be a huge lift for the Cortland team going into the break.  Trinity needs to score a few quick goals early on to get back into this game in the 2nd half.

And the 2nd half post:

Looks like the 2nd half of the Championship game was just more of the first half as Cortland outscored the Trinity Bantams 9-4 in the 2nd to win this game going away by a 17-6 final score. Congratulations to the Red Dragons who finally get the Big Doorstop after knocking on the door for a number of years.   


Glad to see the Tufts men take home the Walnut and Bronze in Men's Lax. And the Tufts women get the title in softball. Two National Championships in 1 week. Jumboland must be trumpeting quite loudly.

Cortland also with a chance for a 2nd National Title as the Men's Baseball team is 1 win away from playing for the D3 World Series Title. The winner of Pool A will play the winner of Pool B in a best 2 of 3 series for the Championship. Cortland in undefeated in Pool A and will have two chances to win it against either Frostburg State or Ramapo. Wisconsin La Crosse is in the drivers seat for Pool B and also has two chances to win that pool. Hoping the Red Dragons, who have been ranked #1 by D3baseball.com since April 13th can get a matching Big Doorstop. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 25, 2015, 03:50:55 pm
The Nescac did prevail in other title games.  The Jumbos won the men's title...back to back Lax champs.  Tufts also won the softball title....amazing undefeated season...1-0 win.  Only 4 total hits in the match...3 hits by Tufts and 1 hit by their opponent.

amh63,

I'm going to have to issue a slight reprimand here. :o I took you at your word that Tufts had won the Women's Softball Title and proceeded to tell several other people that Tufts won the title. I just discovered that not only have they not won the title but they have to beat Texas Tyler in a best of 3 series that started today at 1 PM.

The good news is the Jumbos won the game that started at 1:00 PM by a score of 2-0. They will play a 2nd game today that just started at 3:45 PM. If they win that one, then they would be champs. If they lose that game, there will be a winner take all game tomorrow starting at 11:00 AM.

Tufts' record is now 50-0 for the year and their NCAA D3 record undefeated streak has reached 52 games.

The only thing I can think of, amh63, is that you were gazing into your crystal ball when you made that quoted comment above, that Tufts had won the National Championship. You foresaw it happening and forgot that it was "going to happen" and not "did happen".  ;) 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 25, 2015, 04:06:22 pm
Just got back from visiting the Cornell Un. "Plantations" .....herb gardens, etc. and the Dairy Bar....yes there is a Vet School...or Big Animal School in the Ivies...therefore a place to buy ice cream.  Not as good as the UConn ice cream Dairy Bar.
Yes, you caught me Magicman with my "pants down".   Realize my error when I went to the Tufts' web page after a visit to the softball board.  Oh well, if Tufts win the second game, they will be a three-peat title.  Nescac1 pointed out their ace pitcher who is almost unhittable.  Wonder if they will rest their star for the third game or go with their star?
Thanks for being nice to me... :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 25, 2015, 07:01:42 pm
amh63,

I didn't catch you with your pants down...as I mentioned earlier you were just exercising your prescient abilities. The Tufts Jumbos have indeed won the National Championship in softball just as you stated, almost a full day before it happened, as they defeated Texas Tyler in the 2nd game of the best of 3 series by a final score of 7-4. It was the culmination of a perfect season as the Jumbos ended up with a 51-0 record. They have now extended their  record unbeaten streak to 53 straight games and today's title was their 3rd straight National Championship.

Texas Tyler didn't go away quietly as they lost a closely contested first game today by a final score of 2-0. They had a 1-0 lead in the 2nd game and increased it to 2-0 in the bottom of the 5th. Tufts would not be denied however as they finally broke through with a big 6th inning and scored 6 runs to take a lead they would not surrender.

The Jumbos' ironwoman Allyson Fournier pitched 2 complete games today to notch her 34th and 35th wins of the season without a defeat. 35-0...imagine some years down the road you can tell the story of how you were 35-0 as a pitcher in college one year. Her ERA going into the final game, today, was an incredibly miniscule 0.10. She had only given up 3 earned runs in 203.2 innings. Texas Tyler scored 3 earned runs off her in the final game, so she ended up surrendering 6 earned runs in 210.2 innings. That's probably the most impressive pitching statistic I have ever heard for man or woman. 8-)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 25, 2015, 08:42:41 pm
The Tufts softball team has an interesting side-line story.  The catcher for the team is the younger sister...FY?....of the star pitcher.   Or someone with the same last name.    That's how it goes some times.  Amherst had two talented pairs of brothers play together on the soccer team and there is the younger Killian on the Lax team...the older Killian being one of the starters on the MBB team.
Notice how I posted a Lax related point here :).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 25, 2015, 09:04:04 pm
Good job amh63 Good job.  ;D ;)

Not sure if the Fournier ladies are related though, as one comes from Connecticut and one comes from Massachusetts.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 25, 2015, 10:13:30 pm
Good job amh63 Good job.  ;D ;)

Not sure if the Fournier ladies are related though, as one comes from Connecticut and one comes from Massachusetts.

Cousins maybe?  Although 6-7 years back the MC tennis program had an HC and an asst coach with the same last name who weren't related. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 27, 2015, 05:34:30 pm
As I mentioned earlier on this board the Cortland State Red Dragons had a chance to match the 2 National Championships that the Tufts Jumbos won this past weekend.

The Cortland Men just polished off Wisconsin-La Crosse in the D3 College World Series by winning 2 straight games in the best of 3 series. Cortland, as they have continued to do all year and in numerous instances in the postseason, came from behind and scored 5 runs in the top of the 9th inning to win the game by a 6-2 score. Yesterday they took the first game in the series by an 11-3 score. Cortland completed play in the NCAA Regionals,  and in the DIII World Series with an undefeated record going 9-0 in the NCAA Tournament. They ended up with a final record of 45-4.

Good job by the spring athletic teams of Cortland as the Men's Lax and Women's Softball teams also made the NCAA tournament.   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 28, 2015, 03:41:33 am
Keeping one of those DIII Wisconsin schools from winning a national championship is always a good thing. ;D  With the school year ending and the athletic schedules doing so as well it's time for some miscellaneous stuff before signing off on the boards for the most part.  Interesting to note that Wis.-La Crosse doesn't field a lacrosse team.  :o  Now here's the real question of the day.  Cortland is a NY state school.  NY Governor Andrew Cuomo's long time girl friend TV cooking celeb Sandra Lee is an alumna of Wisconsin-La Crosse.  Who was the Guv rooting for in this one?  On a serious note, Ms Lee underwent a double mastectomy very recently and I wish her a speedy recovery.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 28, 2015, 07:53:45 am
OK posters here....Summer is finally around...with a BANG.  Before calling it quits....think about popping over to the other boards sometime.  Football is always in need of posters with great depth of knowledge vice Bravado. :)
Watching too much "tube" Vandy....yes, there is no tube with today's flat screens.
It is interesting to read comments on other boards wrt to the changing of conferences.  Talk of the " mission" and the right number of schools, etc.  Guess the "CAC" can be considered a stable one.

Last comment.....congrats to the Red Dragons!  Still, the locals consider it to be a "jock" school.  Yes, an old term not PC correct in today's world of college sports.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 28, 2015, 08:41:12 am
Keeping one of those DIII Wisconsin schools from winning a national championship is always a good thing. ;D  With the school year ending and the athletic schedules doing so as well it's time for some miscellaneous stuff before signing off on the boards for the most part.  Interesting to note that Wis.-La Crosse doesn't field a lacrosse team.  :o  Now here's the real question of the day.  Cortland is a NY state school.  NY Governor Andrew Cuomo's long time girl friend TV cooking celeb Sandra Lee is an alumna of Wisconsin-La Crosse.  Who was the Guv rooting for in this one?  On a serious note, Ms Lee underwent a double mastectomy very recently and I wish her a speedy recovery.

No WIAC schools sponsor lacrosse----yet. :o :o :o
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on June 11, 2015, 12:30:31 pm
Guess I will make the last post here :)....until school opens up again.
Seems Midd and Amherst has reloaded their assistant Lax coaches..women side.  Midd hired the assist coach at Amherst...a goalkeeper defensive background....while Amherst hired an offensive background assistant..last job was at Div 1 Rutgers and a former player at Notre Dame.  Both new assistants will handle recruiting coordinator duties.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: SJSUPhil on August 05, 2015, 06:22:26 am
Guess I will make the last post here :)....until school opens up again.
Seems Midd and Amherst has reloaded their assistant Lax coaches..women side.  Midd hired the assist coach at Amherst...a goalkeeper defensive background....while Amherst hired an offensive background assistant..last job was at Div 1 Rutgers and a former player at Notre Dame.  Both new assistants will handle recruiting coordinator duties.

Congratulations to Amherst on hiring that Assistant Coach (and former player) with a Division 1 background.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on November 20, 2015, 05:45:11 pm
PolarCat posted this today on the NESCAC football board but it also belongs here as well.  Colby MLAX HC Jack Sandler died unexpectedly yesterday.  He was also a Bates alum.  Our thoughts and prayers go out to his family, friends and both the Colby and Bates athletic communities.

www.colby.edu/news/2015/11/20/colby-lacrosse-coach-jack-sandler-dies

www.colby.edu/news/2015/11.20/letter-to-the-community-on-the-death-of-jack-sandler
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on January 14, 2016, 11:06:37 am
With preseason training right around the corner, and the first NESCAC games just 7 weeks away (other conferences may start earlier), it's time to bring this board out of hibernation.  Any news out there in the land of D3 Women's Lax?  Coaching changes, stud recruits, surprise transfers and/or new programs / facilities?

How about predictions for the coming season?  Who will be atop NESCAC, Centennial and SUNYAC?  Will this be the year Mount Union and Pomona-Pitzer finally break through in the tournament?  Will a new coach / new program arrive with a splash?  Will we see a repeat of Cortland - Trinity in the NCAA Final, and if so, will Martha Griffin cap off her career with another title?

I'll start with 2015 NESCAC Runner-Up / NCAA Sweet Sixteen participant Bowdoin.  The Polar Bears graduated a very talented group of seniors, including All-Americans Taylor Wilson and Nat Moore, though their other All American (Lindsey Picard '16) returns to anchor the midfield.  The Polar Bear defense was perhaps hardest hit, with the starting GK and 3 starting defenders (including Moore) all graduating.  The fourth starting defender is a returning 2018, and she is joined by two talented 2017's, but it remains to be seen who will step up and fill the fourth defender slot. 

At GK, pre-season should be a battle between a 2018 who impressed in the games she played last year, vs. a talented FY.  Bowdoin opens its season at Amherst on March 5, followed by Williams on March 12th and Hamilton on March 15th (on a Spring Break trip to Florida), so we should know early in the season whether the Polar Bears will be NESCAC / NCAA contenders again this year.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on January 21, 2016, 06:21:06 pm
With preseason training right around the corner, and the first NESCAC games just 7 weeks away (other conferences may start earlier), it's time to bring this board out of hibernation.  Any news out there in the land of D3 Women's Lax?  Coaching changes, stud recruits, surprise transfers and/or new programs / facilities?

How about predictions for the coming season?  Who will be atop NESCAC, Centennial and SUNYAC?  Will this be the year Mount Union and Pomona-Pitzer finally break through in the tournament?  Will a new coach / new program arrive with a splash?  Will we see a repeat of Cortland - Trinity in the NCAA Final, and if so, will Martha Griffin cap off her career with another title?

I'll start with 2015 NESCAC Runner-Up / NCAA Sweet Sixteen participant Bowdoin.  The Polar Bears graduated a very talented group of seniors, including All-Americans Taylor Wilson and Nat Moore, though their other All American (Lindsey Picard '16) returns to anchor the midfield.  The Polar Bear defense was perhaps hardest hit, with the starting GK and 3 starting defenders (including Moore) all graduating.  The fourth starting defender is a returning 2018, and she is joined by two talented 2017's, but it remains to be seen who will step up and fill the fourth defender slot. 

At GK, pre-season should be a battle between a 2018 who impressed in the games she played last year, vs. a talented FY.  Bowdoin opens its season at Amherst on March 5, followed by Williams on March 12th and Hamilton on March 15th (on a Spring Break trip to Florida), so we should know early in the season whether the Polar Bears will be NESCAC / NCAA contenders again this year.

I applaud your enthusiasm PolarCat but I think I'll let Old Man Winter run it's course for another month at least. :D  I'm rather looking forward to my first season as a "civilian" to tell you the truth.  I have no doubt that the Middlebury Panthers will remain among the NESCAC elite under the guidance of new HC Kate Livesay but with the rapid growth of the sport and addition of new conferences our days of sending 4 and even 5 teams to the post season party are dwindling.  And then there is the level of competition within the 'CAC itself to deal with.  Colby began last season with a win over #2 Trinity and was 9-1 before losing 5 of their last 6 games.  Of the 6 losses 5 were by a single goal and the other was by only 2.  I expect Middlebury, Bowdoin and Colby to remain highly competitive along with as many as 5 or 6 other teams as well.   No fewer than 8 conference teams were ranked in the Top 20 of women's lax at the end of last season.  Being competitive means nothing unless you win in this league. 

Without having done any research I expect Mount Union to continue to improve because when that school decides to compete in a sport that's exactly what it does.  Look at what their football team accomplishes EVERY year. ::)  Augustana is another young and rapidly improving program with some good in-conference competitors in Carthage and North Central.  That is very important if taking that next step up is the goal.  The lack of it can result in a huge regression in just a single season.  Look at Adrian.  If you're not tested on a regular basis the final month of the season you can't expect to compete with the likes of a Trinity, Gettysburg or TCNJ. 

That said I still have some DIII basketball to enjoy and a fantasy baseball draft to prep for although last season here in New England lacrosse did seemed to qualify as a winter sport. ::) :P  Here's looking forward to another exciting season in both men's and women's formats and hopefully a few new posters as well.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on January 22, 2016, 01:47:08 pm
Actually have some news here...in spite of Vandy's "bus man holiday" talk.
Amherst has hired a new assist coach....see Amherst website.  She is a recent grad from UMass-Amherst where she played.  Amherst seems to be preparing for this coming season which will be extremely tough...want to make sure to keep up with the top tier teams.
Remember last season opening games where fields were surrounded with high piles of snow and fans huddle on the sidelines....their cars parked in rare spaces, etc.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on February 03, 2016, 12:13:11 pm
Lacrosse Magazine has released its Pre-Season Top 20 list.  On the women's side:

1.   Cortland
2.   Trinity
3.   F&M
4.   Middlebury
5.   Gettysburg
6.   TCNJ
7.   Salisbury
8.   York
9.   Catholic
10.   Bowdoin

11.   Tufts
12.   Amherst
13.   Fredonia
14.   Washington & Lee
15.   Hamilton
16.   Colby
17.   Messiah
18.   Mount Union
19.   St. John Fisher
20.   Bates

It's interesting that only 3 NESCAC teams are in the top 10.  Of course, at this point in the season everyone's undefeated, so the poll doesn't mean much.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on February 18, 2016, 09:42:30 am
Sunday is Scrimmage Day in Brunswick.  Bowdoin, Colby, St. Anselm's, University of New England, Plymouth State, and Merrimack.  Format is each team plays 3, 40-minute games; in the last 2 minutes of each game, the clock will stop on the whistle.  The first scrimmage (Bowdoin v. Colby) should be a good one.  In 2015, the Polar Bears squeaked by the Mules by one goal in both the regular season and the NESCAC tournament.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on February 23, 2016, 05:55:51 pm
Sunday is Scrimmage Day in Brunswick.  Bowdoin, Colby, St. Anselm's, University of New England, Plymouth State, and Merrimack.  Format is each team plays 3, 40-minute games; in the last 2 minutes of each game, the clock will stop on the whistle.  The first scrimmage (Bowdoin v. Colby) should be a good one.  In 2015, the Polar Bears squeaked by the Mules by one goal in both the regular season and the NESCAC tournament.

Wow, it sure is quiet in here.......

It was a gorgeous sunny Sunday in Brunswick.  Some take-aways from the scrimmages:

Some of the new rules changes will take some getting used to, particularly the one that allows a fouled player to resume play without waiting for the ref's whistle.  (Someone help me out with the name for tahat?)

Bowdoin won all three of their scrimmages and looks surprisingly strong.  I thought the loss of so many talented 2015's would hurt, but Liz Grote seems to have recruited well, and the Polar Bears don't seem to have missed a beat.

Colby was either playing things VERY close to the vest, or the Mules will have a serious rebuilding year ahead.  The Mules were sputtering on both ends of the field, though they did seem to settle down as the day wore on.

D2 Merrimack was solid, and they seem to be loving their new coach Paula Habel, which is a great change for that program.

The revelation of the day was Plymouth State, 13-4 in 2015, who played great lacrosse, had some very pretty , disciplined offensive schemes, and hung with Bowdoin for most of their scrimmage.  Maybe it's because they were able to start their season earlier (February 15th was the first day of NESCAC practices, and 6 days later the Mules and the Polar Bears were scrimmaging), but I think the Panthers may surprise some folks this year.  Even if they don't win the Little East, the committee may reward them with an At Large bid. 

I did not get a chance to watch the UNE or St. Anselm's games, so maybe one of their fans could chime in?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 01, 2016, 04:58:21 pm
At the request of PolarCat, some lacrosse info....since the season starts this weekend.
On the Amherst website, there are previews of both the men and women teams.
Preseason rankings on the men side has Tufts No.1 and Amherst no.4.
On the women side, the pre season has about all the conference teams ranked in the top 20 it seems.
Amherst women team are going after the title this year with confidence.  Unfortunately, the first game is at home against a higher ranked Polar Bear team.
It should be a battle, me thinks.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on March 01, 2016, 10:19:47 pm
It must be an important game for the Jeffettes, because your Athletic Department is engaging in a little gamesmanship already.  On what promises to be a pretty cold day, we've been told that our tailgate area will be over by Orr Rink, a half mile walk from Gooding Field.  Such hospitality.

Two can play that game.  I think I will run out to Bed, Bath & Beyond, buy a bunch of blankets for the mothers and grandmothers in our group, then spray paint "Smallpox blanket, courtesy of J Amherst" on them.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 02, 2016, 08:05:56 am
PolarCat......play nice!  FYI....the tailgate area is where visiting teams tailgate during the football season since the new facilities were built.  Other places for alums are at the old practice football field below Gooding field.  The ladies should be playing on the new football field.   Do not know if the streets near the field are clear of ice or snow.  See pix of women's game...last season on the website...lacrosse page...notice the piles of snow below the stands....on Pratt field.
The men's BB is hosting a regional NCAA site this coming weekend...starting on Fri.  Surprised you got space to tailgate near the hockey rink.   
Could ask the AD to help out...former OC for the football team...but he is still mad at me for not offering to fund an announcer stand for Gooding field..250K range.  Just too cheap, I guess.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: ephoops on March 04, 2016, 12:45:32 am
A belated report from the WLAX scrimmage last Saturday in Williamstown.

Midd, Babson, Oneonta and the Ephs scrimmaged on Farley - Lamb field.  Each team played the other three teams.  the format was two 25 minutes halves.

Midd v. Ephs started the day.  The game was surprisingly close given that Midd returns most of its Final Four team from last year.  In the end, Midd beat the Ephs by 3 or 4 goals.  Midd went on to destroy both Babson and Oneonta by 10+ goals in each game.  Midd just got better as the day went on.  They look loaded.  Apparently Midd has a strong freshmen class to complement all that returning talent.

The Ephs struggled against Babson.  Babson scored a late goal to win by 1.

Unfortunately I had some errands to run and could not stay to watch the Ephs take on Oneonta.  My understanding is that they faired well in this final game.



Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 06, 2016, 02:20:49 pm
Five NESCAC games played yesterday and no chatter here.  Amh63 and I were more focused on basketball and he still has something to be excited about but it's time to follow lacrosse.  On the women's side only one real surprise, the margin of victory of Amherst over Bowdoin.  Very tough opponent to open against, for both teams.  Both will be in the mix throughout the season.  Trinity opened last season with a loss and didn't taste defeat again until the NCAA championship game.  Colby edged Hamilton in another game a ranked team had to lose.  The Panthers opened new HC Kate Livesay's Middlebury tenure with a victory over Connecticut College.  Let's hope the warm March weather continues.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on March 06, 2016, 04:31:41 pm
Amherst is a team to be reckoned with this year.  The Lady Jeffs dominated every phase of Saturday's game, particularly the draws and rides, and their GK Christy Forrest was flat out amazing.  Despite a strong showing on scrimmage day, the Polar Bears struggled on D, with only one starter from last year's squad returning. Amherst pounced on the miscues, with Cronin, Passarelli and Wyeth all having multi-goal games. 

Bowdoin hosts 2-1 University of New England Tuesday, then travels to Willytown Saturday to face the 0-1 Ephs. A week from now, either Bowdoin or Williams will be 0-2 in NESCAC, and that's going to be a very deep hole for either team to dig itself out of.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 24, 2016, 04:59:04 am
I watched Wednesday's match-up between Bowdoin and Endicott to size up Middlebury's 'CAC opposition this weekend.  The Polar Bears prevailed 14-5.  Middlebury's 3-0 conference record is against three opponents yet to win a conference game while Bowdoin's 0-3 mark has come at the hands of Amherst and Hamilton, ranked #10 and #12 in DIII, and Williams, an always solid program that has twice gone as far as the national championship game.  None were played on Bowdoin's home turf.  I expect to see a highly competitive game in Middlebury this Saturday and assume that traveling player parent PolarCat will also be in attendance.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on March 24, 2016, 12:48:53 pm
Since you and I may be the only D3 lacrosse fans on the board this year, I consider it my solemn duty to be there!

Bowdoin got off to a rough start, losing 3 starting defenders and the starting GK from last year's squad.  The defense seems to be finally coming together, and the offense is finally clicking.  (Maybe more impressive than the score, we outshot Endicott 36-10 yesterday, and Endicott only got off 2 shots in the entire first half, when the Polar Bear starters were in). 

Are we as good as Midd?  Maybe not.  The Panthers have a ridiculous number of weapons, including 2018 Claire Russel, a club teammate of PolarKitten's and former D1 player who transferred from Columbia this year.  Add Russell into the mix with Ritter, Eppler, Pascal, Instrum, Sciarretta and O'Connell, and Coach Livesay has one formidable offense.  With Maggie Caputi having an amazing year on D and Furber and Klinker between the pipes, the Panthers may go all the way this year.

It should be a fun game.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: P'bearfan on March 28, 2016, 08:39:10 am
Agree that the Bowdoin women's lax team is off to a rough start.  They graduated their starting goalie and much of their starting defense.  Could be a rebuilding year for them.

On the men's side, the Polar Bears are off to a strong 5-1 start including an impressive 9-8 victory over Midd in OT this past Saturday.  Here's hoping they can keep the momentum going.

GoUBears!!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 28, 2016, 05:39:45 pm
Agree that the Bowdoin women's lax team is off to a rough start.  They graduated their starting goalie and much of their starting defense.  Could be a rebuilding year for them.

On the men's side, the Polar Bears are off to a strong 5-1 start including an impressive 9-8 victory over Midd in OT this past Saturday.  Here's hoping they can keep the momentum going.

GoUBears!!

A bit late with this.  Too much NCAA basketball and fantasy baseball draft preparation going on. :P

I saw the recap of the Bowdoin men's win over the Panthers.  I'd been hopeful Middlebury had the team that would win those types of games this season but the NESCAC is a tough league for the men as well.  The question remains, can anyone take down Tufts?  Maybe Amherst.  With the way the conference schedules league games it's impossible to see both men's and women's teams play and I've always been more interested in the women's league due to a family connection.

I did see the Middlebury women's victory over Bowdoin however.  I met PolarCat who was much better about how the game progressed than I would have been had the situation been reversed.  This was certainly a much different Bowdoin team than the one that beat Middlebury 14-8 in last season's 'CAC semifinals.  But a rebuilding team gets better as the season extends itself.    Three Bowdoin losses have come at the hands of the conference's best while Middlebury is 4-0 against teams that have just one conference win among them, albeit Tufts' impressive upset of Trinity on Saturday.  When he mentioned his daughter was playing through an injury I was impressed having seen her run the ball 3/4 the length of the field outracing several Middlebury defenders just a short time before.  Bowdoin will be back sooner rather than later and she'll be one of those responsible for it.

One thing must be mentioned about the game.  Middlebury's Mary O'Connell scored eight goals on eight shots in the 1st half and added four assists.  A clinic performance. ::)  In other NESCAC  action #10 Amherst beat #12 Hamilton 10-6.  Where are you amh63?  I shouldn't have to do your work for you. ;)  As already noted, #13 Tufts upset #9 Trinity 10-9 in a game they led 8-7 at the half.  Only four more goals were scored in the second stanza with Trinity earning the first two to take a 9-7 lead at 8:53.  Gabby Vinci tied the score again for Tufts on an assist from Caroline Ross at 1:26 and Ross added her second goal of the game unassisted with just 13 seconds remaining to win it for the Jumbos.  In other games involving NESCAC teams  #9 Bates handled Williams 14-5 and Wesleyan beat up on Kean by a score of 14-2.

This isn't meant to be just a NESCAC board.  There's a lot of great lacrosse being played out there.  It's too bad more of it's fans don't post here.  On the women's side Mount Union has a program that defeated a ranked team last year playing in just it's third varsity season.  Augustana represents a rapidly improving CCIW.  Denison has taken on a killer schedule and has beaten a ranked team in the process.  They'll be ready for anything come NCAA tournament time.  First they have to win the NCAC tournament, never easy to do.  The SCIAC represents the best of west coast lacrosse.  Then there are the Salisburys, Gettysburgs, Franklin & Marshalls and TCNJs of the women's lacrosse world.  The last I knew SUNY Cortland is still the undefeated defending champion.  Anyone who is more of a men's lacrosse fan is welcome too..........Just is all probably falling on deaf ears. :(   But I hope not.





Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: JEFFFAN on March 28, 2016, 08:55:52 pm

Interesting loss by Tufts the other day to Stevenson, a program with great historical success but one that is not having a very good year.  For Tufts no loss is a good loss but this one is just surprising because of where Stevenson is this year.   Tufts is giving up a ton of goals this year, more than in the past.

Jeff fans should take a hard look at Quinn Moroney, arguably the best attackmen in Amherst history.   The kid is a complete assist machine who also tosses in a few goals here and there.  This is a very senior laden team offensively so one could guess that Thompson sees this as a year to make a serious run.   Having said that, their defensive performance of late has been sloppy and they have serious FOGO problems that will likely keep them from making that long run.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 29, 2016, 12:41:57 am

Interesting loss by Tufts the other day to Stevenson, a program with great historical success but one that is not having a very good year.  For Tufts no loss is a good loss but this one is just surprising because of where Stevenson is this year.   Tufts is giving up a ton of goals this year, more than in the past.

Jeff fans should take a hard look at Quinn Moroney, arguably the best attackmen in Amherst history.   The kid is a complete assist machine who also tosses in a few goals here and there.  This is a very senior laden team offensively so one could guess that Thompson sees this as a year to make a serious run.   Having said that, their defensive performance of late has been sloppy and they have serious FOGO problems that will likely keep them from making that long run.

A new poster, and men's lacrosse to boot.  Welcome JEFFFAN. 

I needed to check a few details since I don't follow the men that closely and the Stevenson-Tufts women's game was won by Tufts that day by the same score.  The Stevenson women are a very atypical 2-6 but the men are still 5-4.  Those four losses are to the #1 and #2 teams and to two others listed as also receiving Top 20 consideration.  I expect Stevenson is like 4-3 Middlebury, a very good team that hasn't quite done the job often enough against other very good teams.  Next up for the Panthers is a trip to the Syracuse Carrier Dome to face #2 RIT.  Then we host Amherst.  4-3 could become 4-5 rather quickly.  I do appreciate the talents of Quinn Moroney btw.  He tossed in three against us in last season's NCAA second round game at Amherst.  Payback was the order of the day as I recall.  I hoped that he'd graduated by now. :(

I do wish him and his teammates well against Tufts however.  The Jumbos two goal margin of victory over us earlier this season was the smallest I can remember in quite some time. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: P'bearfan on March 29, 2016, 08:46:19 am
Congrats to Bowdoin's Peter Mumford for being named NESCAC player of the week and to the entire men's lacrosse team who vaulted into the national poll at #14! This is the first time since 2014 the men's team has been nationally ranked.

GoUBears!!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 29, 2016, 12:37:25 pm
OK, reporting for duty! :). Have been following the men's action more than the women.  Even caught some Div1 games....Hopkins vs UVA for one. 
Agreed that Amherst's defense appears a little off wrt to last season...but heh, the offenses of the opponents are getting better with fine talent entering the game.  Did notice that the younger Killian is scoring more lately. Was a student abroad the first semester...maybe needed to get in shape.  Not sure what position he plays...more on the defensive side.  Yes, his older brother is the fine MBB Killian.
With regard to the women games...did check on the status of the Caputi girls.  The younger one from Tabor is not on the roster this season!  She was on the WBB team and may have needed time to get herself ready for Stickball.  Maybe PolarCat can provide some input here?
The older daughter of the former Bowdoin Football HC appears on the Middlebury roster.  Do not recall her position. 
Still getting use to adjusting to the differences between men and women play..again :'(.
Checking rosters, etc., see the Middlebury men's team was edged by Bowdoin 9-8.
The latest Women's rankings has Middlebury at no. 2, followed by Colby, Amherst and Tufts?  All in the top 10.
I was really mixed up wrt the  Caputi sisters.  Though both the same size, had the older one at Bowdoin...before my correction.  Wasn't there a third sister?...heading to college.  Thought she ended up at Middlebury...not playing Lacrosse though.
Planning to watch Middlebury vs Dickerson at Carlilse.  Interesting location in Pa.  Home to the Army War College and a former school for Indian Boys!..one that became a great football player.  Also a former training site for the Washington NFL team...the Redskins :).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 29, 2016, 03:56:48 pm
OK, reporting for duty! :). Have been following the men's action more than the women.  Even caught some Div1 games....Hopkins vs UVA for one. 
Agreed that Amherst's defense appears a little off wrt to last season...but heh, the offenses of the opponents are getting better with fine talent entering the game.  Did notice that the younger Killian is scoring more lately. Was a student abroad the first semester...maybe needed to get in shape.  Not sure what position he plays...more on the defensive side.  Yes, his older brother is the fine MBB Killian.
With regard to the women games...did check on the status of the Caputi girls.  The younger one from Tabor is not on the roster this season!  She was on the WBB team and may have needed time to get herself ready for Stickball.  Maybe PolarCat can provide some input here?
The older daughter of the former Bowdoin Football HC appears on the Middlebury roster.  Do not recall her position. 
Still getting use to adjusting to the differences between men and women play..again :'(.
Checking rosters, etc., see the Middlebury men's team was edged by Bowdoin 9-8.
The latest Women's rankings has Middlebury at no. 2, followed by Colby, Amherst and Tufts?  All in the top 10.
I was really mixed up wrt the  Caputi sisters.  Though both the same size, had the older one at Bowdoin...before my correction.  Wasn't there a third sister?...heading to college.  Thought she ended up at Middlebury...not playing Lacrosse though.
Planning to watch Middlebury vs Dickerson at Carlilse.  Interesting location in Pa.  Home to the Army War College and a former school for Indian Boys!..one that became a great football player.  Also a former training site for the Washington NFL team...the Redskins :).

There you are amh63.  I knew you'd show up sooner or later. ;)  Middlebury senior Maggie Caputi plays defense, btw.  Her dad pointed out Polarcat to me last Saturday when I was trying to track him down.  You and I haven't managed to put a face with the other's name yet but Middhoops and I take all the blame there for not following through on travel plans at least once.  I'll be watching the Middlebury Dickinson game too in about ten minutes.  I see they lost to Amherst earlier down in Florida. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 30, 2016, 12:19:01 am
Middlebury had all it could handle in their 12-7 victory over Dickinson on Tuesday.  Take away the opening 3 1/2 minutes of the 1st half and the first 9+ minutes of the 2nd and Dickinson outscored the Panthers the rest of the way.  The host team was playing it's best game of the season by far according to the student commentator and GK Tara Cuddihy put on an All-American caliber performance with 15 saves, some of them absolutely remarkable, against 25 shots on goal.  Her aggressive style of play also made her the equivalent of an extra defender as well.  I'm not sure I've seen a better game played at GK in my experience of watching women's lax. 

After taking a quick 2-0 lead at 26:37 Middlebury was continually stymied by Cuddihy and the Panthers lead by only a 5-3 score at the half.  Middlebury again seemed to take control of the game in the second stanza scoring four times in the opening nine and a half minutes but then Cuddihy again returned to her 1st half form.  Middelbury's two GKs made just one save as the stingy defense limited Dickinson to only eight shots on goal the entire game.  The hosts committed 24 turnovers to only 13 for the Panthers.  Unfortunately Middlebury lost the services of key defender senior Maggie Caputi who was injured and helped off the field putting no weight on her right foot in the process.  Hopefully that was just a precaution but obviously she would be a big loss to the Panthers if the injury is serious.

As I was telling PolarCat Saturday afternoon I didn't believe Middlebury had really been tested yet.  Now they have.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: P'bearfan on March 30, 2016, 08:37:52 am
Bowdoin's men's lax team continued its winning ways by defeating Babson 12-6 powered by a 6-0 run at the start of the second half.  This victory extends the Polar Bear win streak to 6 and the overall record now stands at 6-1.  Bowdoin will host Trinity this Saturday.

GoUBears!!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on March 30, 2016, 09:39:06 am
The Augustana women are currently the top dog in the CCIW. They take their 7-1 record on the road tomorrow to play undefeated Wooster.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 30, 2016, 10:34:19 am
The presently No.4 ranked Amherst Men's team won over a game Springfield team 15-7 last night.  Springfield actually led 2-0 before Amherst got their act together.  Is that a proper phrase to use here?
Anyway, it was 4-4 in the first period.  Amherst shut down the Pride? In the next period.  The stats seemed even but Amherst was more efficient with their shots and clears.  The 7pm start of the game prevented me from watching the game.  Sports watching at home is being prioritized :), especially around meals and Spring cleaning, etc., etc,.
Did see the injury to Maggie Caputi.  She was down awhile while action continued...since Dickerson was on the attack.
Matt Killian, a Jr., did score a goal and is listed as a SSDM player.  Need an inscription expert here.
Does that mean Short Stick Defensive Midfield?
Need to make a correction on the women lacrosse latest top 10 rankings.  Trinity vice Tufts is the fourth team in the top 10.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: polbear73 on March 30, 2016, 04:22:33 pm
Perhaps Bowdoin's 6-1 start, including wins over Stevens and Middlebury is a bit surprising as this was a 3-12 team last year.  The fact that the top four scorers for Bowdoin are sophomores and that a couple freshmen have been solid contributors already is a positive sign for the future of the program. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 31, 2016, 12:25:43 am
It was Middlebury over Stevenson by an 18-6 count this afternoon.  14-4 at the half.  Ordinarily this would have been a much more contested match up.  2-7 Stevenson is traditionally a true SOS type of non-conference opponent and while today's game showed they are not at that standard this season they have played a killer schedule.  Salisbury, Gettysburg, Franklin & Marshall and Washington College to open the schedule.  Four ranked teams and three of them the winners of 6 of the last 9 DIII championships.  That's more brutal than any four game stretch of the NESCAC schedule, as strong as the conference is.

During a team time-out I spotted Maggie Caputi using crutches.  She will obviously miss some time.  Another Panther went down with injury although it seemed to be possibly only a mild sprang, but no details.  Sophomore midfielder Evie Keating, I believe, but when it comes to remembering things this steel trap mind of mine isn't what it used to be. :P :P  It's proving to be a costly Spring Break road trip. 

Amherst is next, a road game.  Hamilton at home followed by Bates on the road.  Trinity and Colby, both of whom have owned Middlebury over the last decade.  Williams, always credible.   The meat of the conference schedule is yet to be played.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 31, 2016, 01:40:56 pm
Vandy74.....need to get a perspective of yesterday's Men's Middlebury's win over Rochester IT.  Saw it was played in the Carrier Dome in Syracuse.  Was it an Tourny event?  About 2-3 hour trip for RIT.  More for the Panthers, I guess. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 01, 2016, 08:48:26 am
Augustana downed Wooster 18-8 last night. They take on Columbus tomorrow, before opening the conference portion of the season April 9th at Illinois Wesleyan.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: P'bearfan on April 01, 2016, 10:12:22 am
Quote
Perhaps Bowdoin's 6-1 start, including wins over Stevens and Middlebury is a bit surprising as this was a 3-12 team last year.  The fact that the top four scorers for Bowdoin are sophomores and that a couple freshmen have been solid contributors already is a positive sign for the future of the program.

Yes the future is bright for the Polar Bears!!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 01, 2016, 11:41:50 am
Vandy74.....need to get a perspective of yesterday's Men's Middlebury's win over Rochester IT.  Saw it was played in the Carrier Dome in Syracuse.  Was it an Tourny event?  About 2-3 hour trip for RIT.  More for the Panthers, I guess.

Ouch.  Another close loss.  In the last 6 seconds no less.  I missed this one, amh63.  I play trivia at a local pub on Wednesday nights.  My only social life these days.  I'm prepping for my fantasy baseball draft on Saturday, speaking of trivial data, so I'd forgotten to check on how this one had turned out.  I fear Middlebury is like Stevenson this season.  A very good team that consistently comes up just a bit short against their toughest foes.  4-4.  All four losses to highly ranked squads.  Three by a single goal and the other by only 2.  Shades of last season's Colby women's team that lost five times by a single tally and once by two.  All six defeats at the hands of Top 20 teams.  Some years the breaks just never fall your way.   Like their basketball team, winning the NESCAC tournament is now Middlebury's only hope for post season play.  Like the hoopsters, it's doable.  The Panthers have dug themselves into a deep hole AND we haven't played Amherst yet.  I'll miss seeing that one too.  Baseball draft. ::) :P :( :(

I'd noticed that the game was to be played in the Carrier Dome.  RIT played SUNY Cortland there as well about 3 weeks ago.  They must have a friendly relationship with the Orange.  It's an attractive lure to get other teams to agree to play them I expect.  In Middlebury's case it takes an hour fifteen off the travel time.  I have close cousins who grew up in Rochester.  It was an eight hour drive back in those days.  Now it can be done in just over five. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 01, 2016, 04:38:13 pm
Really sorry to hear that Maggie Caputi is injured.  She had an absolutely phenomenal start to the season.  Hopefully, she will be back for the playoffs.

amh63, there are actually 3 Caputi girls.  Maggie (the oldest) is a senior at Midd.  Middle daughter Lydia is a sophomore at Bowdoin, where she has hung up the lacrosse cleats to focus on WBB.  Baby sister Claire is a FY defender at Colby.  Meanwhile big brother Mac (former Bowdoin QB) is a 2LT in the USMC, and father Dave is the OC for Middlebury football.  Mom, dad, Mac and Lydia were all up at Midd last weekend for Claire's game.

Bowdoin's WLAX team keeps having a crazy season, blowing out a pretty decent St. Joe's of Maine team Wednesday night 21-4, despite Liz Grote sitting her starters beginning at just 2:30 into the game.  It's almost bipolar.  Bowdoin is 4-0 against non-NESCAC opponents, with a cumulative score of 70-22 (not a typo).  But they are 0-4 in NESCAC play, with a cumulative score of 29-53.  Hopefully the dominant Bowdoin personality surfaces tomorrow, when they travel to the Coop to take on Trinity (6-2 overall, 3-1 in NESCAC).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 01, 2016, 08:12:41 pm
PolarCat....thanks for the info on Claire! Thought she went to a Nescac school...but didn't find her on the roster at Midd, Bowdoin and Bates.  Did not check Colby.
Good, filed the info on the Caputi's away.  The father has been around the conference...was an assist at Amherst where he befriended MBB HC Dave Hixon.  Was at a game in Willytown and saw Coach Hixon scouting Williams....during halftime, someone brought Hixon a bag of popcorn.  Asked Hixon about it years later.  Told me that Caputi sent him the popcorn...via a student.  Plus K

Seems I have to do it on Sat....PolarCat
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 01, 2016, 08:18:42 pm
Vandy74....have. You been pinged lately?  Seems I have someone pinging me periodically.  Just curious who the person is that doesn't have the " manhood" to admit his action.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 01, 2016, 10:36:34 pm
Vandy74....have. You been pringed lately?  Seems I have someone pinging me periodically.  Just curious who the person is that doesn't have the " manhood" to admit his action.

It's our little buddy from before.  Think "Michigan."  I don't know what his problem is and I don't care.  He's been dinging me on an almost daily basis for at least three weeks.   I thought I noticed a few times he hit you as well.  Nescac1 doesn't post much anymore so I'm unaware of what his -K score is.  I haven't noticed if AmherstStudent05 has been under attack either.  I think there is about a 14 page gap between my last posts on the basketball board.  Between those posts "Chuckie" hit me twelve times.  A true man among men. ::)  I've stopped taking the high road on the matter and have been dinging him back each time I get hit. ;D  What do we owe him?  About 200 apiece I think.  At least.  The dude is certifiable.  He even posts on our basketball board while he's doing it. 

On a more pleasant note, may the best teams win tomorrow when Middlebury faces off against Amherst in lacrosse.  I'll be at my fantasy baseball draft so it's one I'll have to miss.  Too bad too.  I expect it's the MC women's toughest test to-date.  Playing on their home turf perhaps the men can finally come out on the winning end but I won't hold my breath.  They seem to be snakebit this season.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 02, 2016, 03:20:34 pm
Middlebury beats Amherst 8-7 in OT.  4-3 Amherst at the half.  Watched the game when Amherst was ahead 5-3 when the Panthers cut Amherst's lead to 5-4.  Light drizzle.  Had to do yard work...preparing the garden, etc.  Came back and saw the score.  stats tell the story, IMO. Midd took more shots- 27-14, had more " penalty shots".  Oh well, Amherst beat Midd yesterday in softball with a 9 th inning homer, 5-3.

Back to lacrosse....Panthers beating Amherst in wet weather in VT...10-5 in the 3rd period....men's lacrosse game.  Waiting for an Amherst comeback!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 03, 2016, 02:50:42 am
Middlebury beats Amherst 8-7 in OT.  4-3 Amherst at the half.  Watched the game when Amherst was ahead 5-3 when the Panthers cut Amherst's lead to 5-4.  Light drizzle.  Had to do yard work...preparing the garden, etc.  Came back and saw the score.  stats tell the story, IMO. Midd took more shots- 27-14, had more " penalty shots".  Oh well, Amherst beat Midd yesterday in softball with a 9 th inning homer, 5-3.

Back to lacrosse....Panthers beating Amherst in wet weather in VT...10-5 in the 3rd period....men's lacrosse game.  Waiting for an Amherst comeback!

What a day to be tied up with a fantasy baseball draft. >:(  I'm only reading box scores but Middlebury had a two win day over Amherst.  It was a much needed win for the men who have come out on  the short end of things against the elite opponents for the most part this season.  I knew the women were in for a tough test.  A failed free position by the Panthers with :06 remaining sending the game into OT.  Middlebury controlled the opening draw in the extra period and scored.   I expect the two teams will meet again in the Nescac tourney.  By the final 8-7 score I assumed it was a defensive battle but it seems that on the Amherst side of things it was great play in goal by Christy Forrest.  15 saves on 23 SOG doesn't result in the loss very often.  A fine performance by Middelbury GK Kate Mandigo as well. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 04, 2016, 11:05:51 am
Ithaca's men's lacrosse team has been very surprising. They're 9-1, and they just took #16 Stevens to the cleaners. They've got #11 Nazareth and #2 RIT on the schedule yet, so we'll see if it can last. But glad to see they're playing well
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 04, 2016, 01:56:42 pm
Bomber798891....you are being modest wrt to Ithaca College.  Saw your team beat Cortland St. Too!
Might have to check out a game, if available, when I visit my daughter and her family in late Spring.  She lives between Cortland and Ithaca.  In any case, suspect both your team and Mine maybe in the post season hunt. :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 04, 2016, 02:43:39 pm
Bomber798891....you are being modest wrt to Ithaca College.  Saw your team beat Cortland St. Too!
Might have to check out a game, if available, when I visit my daughter and her family in late Spring.  She lives between Cortland and Ithaca.  In any case, suspect both your team and Mine maybe in the post season hunt. :)
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It seems like Cortland is down quite a bit, but that was a big win for the program. I don't really follow lacrosse, so I figured I'd play it more modest than boastful, but it's nice to see.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: polbear73 on April 06, 2016, 09:02:44 am
There are 5 interesting "local" midweek men's NESCAC games tonight topped by Bowdoin at Bates and Amherst at Wesleyan in terms of conference and ranking implications. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 06, 2016, 10:54:06 am
polbear73.....thanks for the reminder! Plus K. 
Been recovering from watching the UConn WBB team win their 4 th straight title.  The college basketball season is finished. 
I prefer women lacrosse over men for various reasons.  The men's game has really changed from my college years.  One of my classmates...played guard on the football team, wrestled unlimited class and played lacrosse.  Was undefeated in wrestling his freshman year, but had to give it up due to studies...was a math and physics major like me.  His oldest daughter was a classmate of my daughter in school.  Anyway, remember watching a lacrosse game at UMass and an Amherst player crash into the goalie while attempting to score.  Game is much faster and skilled with quickness needed.  The days of the Johns Hopkins Lacrosse players playing football to keep in shape have passed.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 06, 2016, 08:27:15 pm
Amherst women wins over Wesleyan at home 10-5 in cold but clear conditions.  Saw that the Middlebury game was postponed due to weather.
Meanwhile at Wesleyan, Amherst is battling hard against the Cardinals.  Down almost the entire first half, the mem's team rallied to tie the game at the half, 8-8.  The Cardinals jump to a two goal lead quickly...like in the first half...soon after the start of the of the third quarter. 
Amherst seems to get behind before catching up....not a good process in night games and non Spring weather conditions.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 07, 2016, 10:42:14 am
The men's game was too stressful for me!  Left it to do other things.
Seems Amherst tied the game in the last 10 seconds at 17-17.  Won in OT.  In a way, glad I left watching the game. 
Will return to Feinstein's latest book on Basketball....easier on the eyes and heart...full of trivial info.
Just a thought for posters here....future technology may bring affordable virtual on line to your home.  Rather watch games live....and chat with fans about.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: polbear73 on April 07, 2016, 02:46:25 pm
It's interesting to watch a very young Bowdoin squad as they seem to play to the level of their competition as they followed closer than expected victories over Babson and Trinity (who has given some very good teams fits, to be fair) with probably their best game of the season last night, beating #6 Bates in Lewiston, 14-10.  There is still a lot of lacrosse to be played against some very good teams, but these young Polar Bears have to be one of the biggest surprises of the season so far. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 07, 2016, 03:18:33 pm
Where else but D3 could you see such dramatic changes in fortune in one school's men's and women's team over the course of one short year?  In 2015, the Bowdoin MLAX struggled, while the WLAX had their best campaign in years, losing in the third round of the NCAA's.  This year, it's the men who are the Top Dogs, er, Bears, and the women who are struggling.  Both teams played in driving snowstorms last night, and both faced in-state rivals Bates. 

The men played on state-of-the-art rubber pellet turf at Garcelon field, where their cleats gave them traction till the end of regulation.  The women played on short-turf Howard Ryan Field.  By halftime, they could just as easily been playing on the ice in Watson Arena, the footing was so bad.  (If this was the Olympics, the East German judge would have been giving style points for the double axels and triple lutzes, particularly when the spinning/sliding player did not lose the ball from her crosse in the process of going to the ground).

A VERY good Bates team walloped the Polar Bears, leading 17-6 when the refs called the game due to the atrocious playing conditions.  It was Bates first victory over Bowdoin since 2006, and their first 10-game-winning season since 1992 (!).  The Bobcats have a talented, motivated, balanced team, with an insanely-talented GK, fronted by a tenacious D.  They have a chance at winning the NESCAC this year; I'd put their play Wednesday on a par with Trinity and Middlebury, and with Maggie Caputie's season-ending injury, they are arguably a better team than the Panthers heading into the playoffs.

Despite losing GK Hannah Jeffrey to graduation, the Bobcats will have a chance to build on this momentum next year, as 7 of their top 10 points scorers return.  Bates is starting to reap the benefits of having a fan for a President, and a great AD in Kevin McHugh.  (Here's hoping some of the mojo rubs off on football).

(Perhaps the saddest story of the night was the Bates parent who walked up to me out of the billowing snow in Brunswick, and asked me which field the men's teams were playing on.  I cringed telling him they were playing 45 minutes away in Lewiston).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 07, 2016, 06:08:21 pm
PolarCat....I actually watched some of the game last night.  Thought the game should have been stopped at halftime.....while watching the grounds crew trying to make the field playable!  How could they see the ball and the team in the white uniforms? 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 08, 2016, 08:25:52 am
One of the Bowdoin MLAX players just updated his FB profile with this great photo from Wednesday night.  It tells you all you need to know about the conditions, and the Polar Bears' determination. (Click on the photo to expand.  Although it looks like an Ansel Adams, it actually is a color photo):

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12974501_10204455457425955_45822418922952491_n.jpg?oh=302769d2264ba623abea65acc2a42751&oe=5771EE69)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: polbear73 on April 08, 2016, 09:05:59 am
One of the Bowdoin MLAX players just updated his FB profile with this great photo from Wednesday night.  It tells you all you need to know about the conditions, and the Polar Bears' determination. (Click on the photo to expand.  Although it looks like an Ansel Adams, it actually is a color photo):

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12974501_10204455457425955_45822418922952491_n.jpg?oh=302769d2264ba623abea65acc2a42751&oe=5771EE69)
Wow, what a great shot, especially when expanded.  Thanks, PC.  Plus k
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 08, 2016, 04:02:21 pm
If the Polarbear players wore their white uniforms, hey would been even harder to defend! ;D
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 08, 2016, 07:23:26 pm
If the Polarbear players wore their white uniforms, hey would been even harder to defend! ;D
The Lady Polar Bears wore white in Brunswick, and toward the end of the game they were definitely "stealth".  Maybe not so much from the standpoint of defending them, but the Bowdoin clears were definitely a challenge: it's hard hard to have accurate depth perception when passing to a white-uniformed teammate, skating down a white field, against a backdrop of pure white.

At least the women play with yellow balls, so there was a little bit of contrast.  I can't imagine what it must have been like trying to keep track of the white ball (in white pockets) in the men's game.  Every time players ran down field, clots of snow flew off their cleats, and with a white ball it would have been tough to tell the snow balls from the lacrosse balls.

I noticed the Hamilton at Midd WLAX game was "postponed" due to the weather, and has not yet been rescheduled.  I hope they made that decision before the Lady Continentals embarked on their 3 1/2 hour bus trip to Vermont.  It would really have sucked to have driven all the way to Middlebury and have to content oneself with cow tipping.  (Though as cow-tipping goes, it's admittedly world class in Middlebury).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 09, 2016, 01:07:25 pm
Time to take Ithaca very, very, seriously. They are flat out rolling. They took #16 Stevens to the cleaners 17-7, and now they're making quick work of #11 Nazareth, up 11-3 at the half. The Ithaca-RIT matchup is going to be one to watch from a national perspective*.

*The Bombers do have Fisher and Houghton before RIT, but Fisher lost 22-4 to Nazareth, and Houghton 22-2 to Fisher. Ithaca losing to either of those teams would be a massive, massive shocker.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 09, 2016, 01:59:51 pm
19-5 Ithaca. Wow is all there is to say
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 09, 2016, 03:20:30 pm
Bomber79. is a believer! :). Guess he is now a follower too.

Amherst lacrosse  teams had a winning day.  Women's team won in Maine against a tough game Colby team. men's team had a battle against the Miules on Gooding Field.....Pratt field hosting a track invitatation meet.  Coby took a lead in the first half.  Amherst starts rolling in the third quarter...taking a 11-6 lead in the fourth.  Colby makes a late run in the game but loses 12-9.  Conn up midweek. 

My typing/ spelling is terrible.   Blame it on my ipad :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 09, 2016, 07:43:17 pm
It was a two win day for Middlebury Lax over Bates.  The women had a surprisingly easy time of it winning 12-5.  The game wasn't really that close as the Panthers expanded their 6-2 halftime lead to 12-2 at 18:15.  It was over ten minutes later when Sydney Cowles scored the second of her team leading three goals.  Bates GK Hannah Jeffrey came into the game with a save percentage of 60 making her 9 saves on 21 SOG sub par albeit not bad for most others.  24 turnovers, 16 of them uncaused compared to just 14 turnovers for Middlebury was another telling statistic.  Bates is much better then they showed today.  A rematch in the NESCAC tournament is likely.

I watched the 2nd half of the men's game.  Middlebury led 9-3 at the half and held off the Bobcats comeback attempt to win it 15-12.  It was the second quality win in a row for the Panthers who have lost 4 times by a combined total of 5 goals against the #'s 2, 3. 5 and 7 ranked teams in DIII to-date.  The loss to Bowdoin was an OT decision and they took St Lawrence into 2OT.   Staying with the men's game, congratulations to Ithaca on an impressive victory.  That should push them up a few notches in the rankings.  Agreed, barring an unlikely letdown that match up against RIT carries national interest.

I never got around to posting about the postponement of the Midd-Hamilton women's game on Wednesday.  It was a game time decision PolarCat.  Actually I was there at 5 p.m. when they were trying to clean off the field as the snow came down steadily.  They had optimistically hoped to play half an hour late.  The precipitation had been forecast as had the clearing and warming trend that followed soon after.  I won't even mention the fact that if NESCAC STUDENT ATHLETES were allowed to miss an occasional class in order to participate in an athletic contest a game played at 2 or 3 p.m. would have gone off without a hitch.  Well, I guess I did mention it , didn't I? ;)  The field has lights.  They were on at the time.  At 7 p.m., only 90 minutes later than the acceptable revised starting time, the field should have been playable, the precipitation had ended and it was getting warmer by the minute.  We had temps in the mid-50s on Thursday, as forecast. 8-)  Why didn't the powers that be understand that? ::)  Now the game has been rescheduled for next Sunday and Middlebury has to play 3 games in 4 days because of it.  I'm blinded by the brilliance of it all. 8-) 8-)

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: polbear73 on April 11, 2016, 03:00:07 pm
This week's Mens USILA/Nike Top 20 has 5 NESCAC teams:  Tufts (3), Amherst (6), Bowdoin (8), Middlebury (10), and Bates (13) with Wesleyan also receiving votes.  With 3 to 4 conference games left to play plus the playoffs, there is still a lot of lacrosse left to be played but, as always, it sets up to be a war to see which teams will represent the conference in the NCAAs.  Another strong year for NESCAC. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 11, 2016, 04:25:07 pm
polbear73, seems Bowdoin is doing fine in several other Spring sports lately.  With you and PolarCat posting here, I have been following lacrosse more.  Have been noticing that Bowdoin has been rising in nationally in both men and women tennis...while checking scores.  Tennis has been sport previously been dominated by Williams, with Amherst chasing in the Nescac. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 11, 2016, 07:59:24 pm
polbear73, seems Bowdoin is doing fine in several other Spring sports lately.  With you and PolarCat posting here, I have been following lacrosse more.  Have been noticing that Bowdoin has been rising in nationally in both men and women tennis...while checking scores.  Tennis has been sport previously been dominated by Williams, with Amherst chasing in the Nescac.

amh63 my friend,

I can't let this one pass unchallenged.  Middlebury has 7 NESCAC  tennis championships to her credit, the last one being the 2015 season when they went on to advance all the way to the national championship match before losing.  They are currently ranked #3 nationally in DIII.  HC Bob Hansen, now in his 5th season, came from UCSC with nothing left to prove having had his teams participate in the national championship finals 13 out of 24 years and winning 7 times.  During his tenure he coached 117 All-Americans.  With all due respect to Amherst, Williams and Bowdoin please do not shortchange the Panthers. ;)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: polbear73 on April 13, 2016, 07:42:51 am
The Bowdoin men perhaps showed its youth and inexperience last night by blowing a 6 goal lead to lose to a good Keene State team by 1 at home.  Turnovers for the Polar Bears were the culprit and hopefully this is a teachable moment for Coach Archbell. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 13, 2016, 09:31:40 am
Caught only bits and pieces of Amherst games yesterday.  Doing my taxes :'(.  However, several games had later staring times...delayed broadcasts??
In the women's game, the game at Gooding's field against Conn College had about 9 minutes to go in the 2nd half.  The score was 7-4, Amherst ahead and a timeout was called.  Thought it was an Amherst timeout.  In any case, in the next 4-5 minutes, Amherst went up 11-4.  Do NOT believe Conn scored another goal until the last 10 seconds of the came.
The Amherst team has experience, but it is necessary to remind players that one must play hard all the time and just showing up against lower ranked teams will end up with a lost....especially in lacrosse.
The coaches are there to take the steps required....timeouts, change of players and flow of the game, IMO.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 14, 2016, 12:00:39 pm
Ithaca cruises again, 16-5 over Fisher. The Cardinals aren't good, but it's nice to see the Bombers remain focused, because they've got to have the RIT game circled right now
Title: Re: Lacrosset
Post by: AndOne on April 17, 2016, 11:47:50 pm
The North Central Cardinals of the CCIW have been mowing down their competition lately. Their record currently stands at 11-2, with both losses being by a single point. For the season they have outscored their opponents 236-76 (+160). The Cards have, to date, been led in goals by Gina Fisher (49), Claire Norfleet (43), and Madison Maas (41). Fisher is NCC's career leader in goals, assists, and just about every other statistical category. In Saturday's 22-2 win, even defensive wizard Rebecca James  slammed in a goal after being given a chance on the offensive end.

Tough competition comes to town on Wed when the Cards will host the 12-1 Augustana Vikings. Augie has outscored their opponents 208-65 (+143). The Vikngs, last season's conference champs, were picked to repeat while the Cardinals were picked for third.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 18, 2016, 01:23:51 pm
Just reporting that the no.3 ranked Tufts men's team thrashed the no.7 ranked Amherst team in Medford/ Somerville....large crowd on hand.  Amherst' s defense could not stop the high powered Jumbos.
Meanwhile, the Amherst's women lacrosse team squeaked by the Tufts team...8-7 at Amherst.  Yes, there should be a battle in the conference tourney.
Not sure of the men's score...12-7, I believe.....Amherst trailed throughout.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 18, 2016, 05:17:34 pm
My NESCAC Tournament predictions on the Women's side:

Round 1:

#1 Trinity (9-1) hosts #8 Tufts (3-7)
#2 Midd (9-1) hosts #7 Bowdoin (3-7)
#3 Bates (8-2) hosts #6 Hamilton (5-5)
#4 Amherst (7-3) hosts #5 Colby (6-4)

That's admittedly a biased pool, as I'm hoping that Bowdoin beats Tufts in their final regular season game.  With the Polar Bears' injuries, that may be too much to hope for.  If Tufts prevails, the Jumbos will be the 7 seed, and the Ephs #8, with Bowdoin, Conn and Wes missing the dance.

Round 2 will be Trinity v. Amherst, and Midd v. Bates in the Coop.  The final will be Trinity v. Midd, in a game that will come down to goalkeeping and ref's calls.

That's my story, and I am sticking to it!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 19, 2016, 08:29:40 am
Showdown Tuesday! #11 Ithaca, arguably the hottest team in the country, taking on #2 RIT. Let's go Bombers!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 19, 2016, 02:19:30 pm
PolarCat....Seems about right....and you should! :)

Bomber798891....see Ithaca has a game today with Hamliton.  Should be a "gage" type game of sorts between the conferences.  Women's lacrosse of course. :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 19, 2016, 03:51:55 pm
Amh63:

Saw that, hope Ithaca does well. My general rule on Ithaca sports is that I follow football a lot, M&W basketball casually, and everyone else if it looks like they're national contenders at a team level or, failing that, conference tournament time (because hey, postseason appearances are great regardless)

Women's lax had some rough early losses which kind of killed option 1, but I'll tune in when the conference tournament rolls around. Would love to be vocally supportive of all teams, just don't have the time to do so unless we've got a postseason/national thing on the line. (I did cover WLax for the school paper as a senior, though. Funny story about that I can tell you if you want the details—pm me.)

Of course, football's the exception, as you can probably guess from my handle, but I've been going to their games for 28 of my 33 years on this planet, so they've kind of earned it.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 19, 2016, 06:06:18 pm
Bombers win 18-16!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 19, 2016, 08:52:07 pm
Bombers win 18-16!

I watched the 1st half, as much as the constantly freezing up video stream allowed, before heading off to watch the Middlebury women take on Union.  7-7 in the 2nd quarter alone.  Neither team scored 7 in the entire 2nd half.  Great win for Ithaca.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 19, 2016, 09:14:57 pm
The winds had picked up and the temp had dropped some from the beautiful weather enjoyed on Saturday and Sunday.  The Panthers looked like a tired team playing a third game in four days but after a very shaky 1st half settled down to handle Union to the tune of 15-7. 

I've PM'ed friends concerning the Trinity and Hamilton games and won't go into much detail here except to say the Bantams were the better team on Saturday winning 13-9.  It was Trinity's 10th consecutive decision over Middlebury going back seven seasons.  Their final tally was an open net goal with less than a minute remaining.  The potent Panther offense was shut down in the second half that began with score tied at 7 apiece.  They managed only 5 shots on goal in the final 30 minutes after firing off 16 in the first half. 

The Hamilton game started off with the two teams trading goals over the first 15+ minutes before Middlebury finally took charge.  Seven unanswered goals, four by Bridget Instrum extended the 4-3 Middlebury lead to 11-3 at the half.  Three more Panther tallies  ten minutes into the second stanza completed the Middlebury scoring.  A Hamilton goal at 8:30 made the final score 14-3.

The Panthers host Colby, another team that has dominated the series 9-4 over the last 7 seasons, on Saturday and finish up the season slate at Williams the following Wednesday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 19, 2016, 09:34:11 pm
My NESCAC Tournament predictions on the Women's side:

Round 1:

#1 Trinity (9-1) hosts #8 Tufts (3-7)
#2 Midd (9-1) hosts #7 Bowdoin (3-7)
#3 Bates (8-2) hosts #6 Hamilton (5-5)
#4 Amherst (7-3) hosts #5 Colby (6-4)

That's admittedly a biased pool, as I'm hoping that Bowdoin beats Tufts in their final regular season game.  With the Polar Bears' injuries, that may be too much to hope for.  If Tufts prevails, the Jumbos will be the 7 seed, and the Ephs #8, with Bowdoin, Conn and Wes missing the dance.

Round 2 will be Trinity v. Amherst, and Midd v. Bates in the Coop.  The final will be Trinity v. Midd, in a game that will come down to goalkeeping and ref's calls.

That's my story, and I am sticking to it!

Tufts beat Bates today Polarcat so feel free to change your story.  The Jumbos now seem a lock for the 6th seed and if Middlebury beats Colby on Saturday the Mules' match up against the Bobcats will determine which gains #4 and which settles for #5.  Then they'll have to play each other again.   Middlebury's difficulties with Colby in recent years and Trinity's final regular season game being against Amherst set up a scenario that could see four teams tied at 8-2.  I have no idea what set of tiebreakers would determine the seeding.  What I do know is that nobody wants to play Tufts in the quarterfinal round.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 20, 2016, 09:32:09 am
Vandy74......have been wondering where you been :)!  See you have been busy....like the Panthers' women team.  Do believe as the school year ends, the multi games short schedule impacts the play of players/ teams.  Amherst seniors have the pressure of wrapping up thesis work, etc.  In any case, it appears that the upcoming conference tournaments...men and women....will be most interesting and competitative.

Seems our mutual irrational irritant is still around.  Been trying to keep up. :)...both ends.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 20, 2016, 11:45:24 am
Tufts beat Bates today Polarcat so feel free to change your story.  The Jumbos now seem a lock for the 6th seed and if Middlebury beats Colby on Saturday the Mules' match up against the Bobcats will determine which gains #4 and which settles for #5.  Then they'll have to play each other again.   Middlebury's difficulties with Colby in recent years and Trinity's final regular season game being against Amherst set up a scenario that could see four teams tied at 8-2.  I have no idea what set of tiebreakers would determine the seeding.  What I do know is that nobody wants to play Tufts in the quarterfinal round.

Well don't that suck eggs?  For the Bobcats and the Polar Bears. 

It would have been wonderful for the Bates Women's program to finally host a playoff game on Garcelon Field.  The odds of that happening are dwindling.  And the Bears only avenue into the playoffs (as #8 seed) is to beat the Jumbos on Wednesday.  Stranger things have happened, but barring an act of God - the entire Tufts team comes down with shingles this week? - I fear it's too big a challenge for the banged-up Bears.

What a conference, hunh?  Amazing parity on both the Men's and the Women's sides.  NESCAC is on the verge of becoming the Lake Woebegone of NCAA lacrosse, where all the teams are exceptional.  (I expect a renewed barrage of -K's from you-know-who for that, but it's true).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 20, 2016, 01:48:11 pm
And while our little buddy cranks up his -K machine, I might as well make another comment.  It's unfortunate this board has turned into a NESCAC lovefest, with (Bombers and AndOne aside) so little participation from other regions.  I even miss (sort of) the Mount Union supporter, who was gloating on here last year till the NCAA tournament rolled around.

So I did a quick check of MUC's season.  They are only 10-3 this year, with losses to Dickinson, Freedonia and St. John Fisher.  Only SJF is nationally ranked, at #20 this week.  But the MUC coach is still practicing her own brand of "sportsmanship", blowing out Muskingum 22-1 and Wilmington by an inexcusable (in my mind, at least) 29-1.

Yeah, I like the way they do things in the 'CAC.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 20, 2016, 02:18:40 pm
PolarCat...."suck eggs"?  Haven't heard that in a long, long time :).  Do wonder where posters here grew up. ;D.  City boy myself.

Bomber798891....your comment wrt to football, handle and age really aroused my curiosity.  Thought the numbers may relate to family members graduation years, or jersey numbers or some combo of things.  In any case, I will just leave it...and put it in my mystery box.  Have to schedule a visit to the Ithaca campus next month when I visit the area.  The present Amherst Prez had a house near the campus...the other hill from Cornell..when she was the Provost of Cornell.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 20, 2016, 02:55:10 pm
And while our little buddy cranks up his -K machine, I might as well make another comment.  It's unfortunate this board has turned into a NESCAC lovefest, with (Bombers and AndOne aside) so little participation from other regions. 

Well, I've posted in here all of three times, and will assuredly drop out as soon as the Bombers' fade from nationally elite status.

But this issue you're describing is really prevalent in a lot of places on these boards. You need a critical mass of people to respond to things, otherwise, you're just talking to yourself. When I came across this board, I was a bit hesitant to post, because it seemed like it was all NESCAC stuff. But it seems like there's at least enough national interest that I can chat about the Bombers.

But the MUC coach is still practicing her own brand of "sportsmanship", blowing out Muskingum 22-1 and Wilmington by an inexcusable (in my mind, at least) 29-1. 

So, I wanted to offer an opinion on this, because while I despise running up the score, I also think there are times where we honestly have to ask what teams can do.

In a glance at the box score, in the the Wilmington game, Mount scored on their first 19 shots on goal and on 29 of 34 overall. So pretty much, if you want the scoring to stop, you have to stop shooting. Which you can do, I remember Princeton men's lax having a rule if they had 19 goals and a 10-goal lead they wouldn't shoot. But okay, so you empty the bench, tell the players not to shoot, get possession on offense and just pass the ball around for the entire 2nd half...is anyone (on either team) benefitting from that? Are they developing as players?

I remember the first time Ithaca played Utica in football. It was 66-0, and 35-0 in the first quarter, Ithaca played four different running backs and all three quarterbacks, the last of whom played all but one series of the 4th quarter and didn't throw a pass. Allegedly, Utica's coach got upset at Ithaca for running up the score, and the response from someone was something along the lines of "If you can't stop a fullback dive up the middle, I don't think that's our fault"

There comes a point, in any blowout, where you need to apply the brakes, hard if need be. But I think there has to also be a minimum amount of resistance from the other team throughout the game. No one gains anything if everyone is just standing around waiting for the clock to run out. I've covered games where that's essentially what's happened, and sometimes, the body language from the losing team is worse then. You might as well end the game at that point.

This isn't really meant as taking a side on Mount one way or the other, because I know nothing about it. It's more just an opinion on blowouts in general, and I think there's sometimes more to it than pointing to the winning team and saying "Not cool"
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 20, 2016, 02:58:42 pm

Bomber798891....your comment wrt to football, handle and age really aroused my curiosity.  Thought the numbers may relate to family members graduation years, or jersey numbers or some combo of things.  In any case, I will just leave it...and put it in my mystery box. 

No real mystery. Those are the three years Ithaca won football national titles. I wasn't alive for '79, but started going to games in 1988, when I was five. Bomber football will always be my main sports passion, and I would trade any title any of my other favorite teams have won since then for another Ithaca football title, hands down (That included the N.Y. Rangers' Stanley Cup in 1994). 
Title: Re: Lacrosset
Post by: Vandy74 on April 20, 2016, 07:02:00 pm
The North Central Cardinals of the CCIW have been mowing down their competition lately. Their record currently stands at 11-2, with both losses being by a single point. For the season they have outscored their opponents 236-76 (+160). The Cards have, to date, been led in goals by Gina Fisher (49), Claire Norfleet (43), and Madison Maas (41). Fisher is NCC's career leader in goals, assists, and just about every other statistical category. In Saturday's 22-2 win, even defensive wizard Rebecca James  slammed in a goal after being given a chance on the offensive end.

Tough competition comes to town on Wed when the Cards will host the 12-1 Augustana Vikings. Augie has outscored their opponents 208-65 (+143). The Vikngs, last season's conference champs, were picked to repeat while the Cardinals were picked for third.


This should be interesting.  I wish I didn't have early evening commitments.  I hope to catch the 2nd half.  This rivalry goes back to the MWLC where these programs developed before the CCIW sponsored the sport.  Augie has taken huge strides but NCC has continued to improve as well.  Augustana is the favorite but I think North Central has the talent to beat them.  But they can only do it once so they probably shouldn't play to win tonight.   But that's not their plan.  Gina Fisher and Claire Norfleet are as talented a pair as you'll find on any team.  It's been fun watching them the last three years.   Go Cardinals!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 20, 2016, 10:20:19 pm
This one played out like I expected it would.  Augustana led 7-2 at the half, which I didn't see.  I tuned in just in time to watch NCC close the gap to a 7-5 margin and shortly after Gina Fisher passed up on a free position shot, circled around once keeping the ball and then rushed the net firing it home. 7-6.  Heads up play by a smart player.  But unfortunately it served as a wake-up call to Augie who changed goalies and began too dominate in every phase of the game.  13-7 was the final score.  The CCIW tournament winner will be Augustana or the team that beats them.  North Central proved tonight they can play with them.  Carthage is another CCIW program that takes the game very seriously.

AndOne, keep us posted.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 21, 2016, 04:34:28 am
Tufts beat Bates today Polarcat so feel free to change your story.  The Jumbos now seem a lock for the 6th seed and if Middlebury beats Colby on Saturday the Mules' match up against the Bobcats will determine which gains #4 and which settles for #5.  Then they'll have to play each other again.   Middlebury's difficulties with Colby in recent years and Trinity's final regular season game being against Amherst set up a scenario that could see four teams tied at 8-2.  I have no idea what set of tiebreakers would determine the seeding.  What I do know is that nobody wants to play Tufts in the quarterfinal round.

Well don't that suck eggs?  For the Bobcats and the Polar Bears. 

It would have been wonderful for the Bates Women's program to finally host a playoff game on Garcelon Field.  The odds of that happening are dwindling.  And the Bears only avenue into the playoffs (as #8 seed) is to beat the Jumbos on Wednesday.  Stranger things have happened, but barring an act of God - the entire Tufts team comes down with shingles this week? - I fear it's too big a challenge for the banged-up Bears.

What a conference, hunh?  Amazing parity on both the Men's and the Women's sides.  NESCAC is on the verge of becoming the Lake Woebegone of NCAA lacrosse, where all the teams are exceptional.  (I expect a renewed barrage of -K's from you-know-who for that, but it's true).

Bates controls her own destiny PolarCat.  Beat Conn. Coll.  If they can't do that then this conversation is pointless.  That will make them 6-3 with a game they play host to Colby remaining.  Colby can be either 7-2 or 6-3 depending on how they fare against Middlebury.  Either way a Bates win leaves both teams with the same record and the Bobcats as the winner of the game against each other.  Amherst could lose to Trinity.  Middlebury could lose to Colby.  They each travel to Williams for their remaining contest.  Amherst-Williams is Amherst-Williams in any sport.  The Ephs are a program that has twice played in the national championship game.  They haven't been a top Nescac team recently but they are always capable of ruining anyone's season who takes them lightly.

Have you seen this or did you know about it?  The article is nine months old.  I overheard some talking about this at one of the Middlebury games over the weekend.

www.ncaa.com/news/lacrosse-women-/article/2015-07-16/womens-lacrosse-will-have-90-second-possession-clock-2017

It will be hard not to run up the score when the rule says you have to shoot.  You're not going to tell your players to get in the habit of taking errant shots.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 21, 2016, 04:50:23 am
Vandy74......have been wondering where you been :)!  See you have been busy....like the Panthers' women team.  Do believe as the school year ends, the multi games short schedule impacts the play of players/ teams.  Amherst seniors have the pressure of wrapping up thesis work, etc.  In any case, it appears that the upcoming conference tournaments...men and women....will be most interesting and competitative.

Seems our mutual irrational irritant is still around.  Been trying to keep up. :)...both ends.

Yes, our little buddy Junior Numbnutz has no quit in him.  To quote the Bard...err........Dan Patrick....."You can't stop him you can only hope to contain him." ??? ::) :P

Far more important are the upcoming conference tournaments. 8-)

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jknezek on April 21, 2016, 09:08:10 am
I follow the ODAC fairly closely as a W&L grad, but there is way more talk about DIII lax in another spot. It happens, even as good as these boards are in other sports.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 21, 2016, 01:12:49 pm
Have you seen this or did you know about it?  The article is nine months old.  I overheard some talking about this at one of the Middlebury games over the weekend.

www.ncaa.com/news/lacrosse-women-/article/2015-07-16/womens-lacrosse-will-have-90-second-possession-clock-2017

It will be hard not to run up the score when the rule says you have to shoot.  You're not going to tell your players to get in the habit of taking errant shots.

Yes, I knew about the shot clock, and I think it's great.  But this may be a great example of The Rule of Unintended Consequences.

The shot clock is coming into play to curtail stall ball.  Like in last year's DI championship, where Maryland was up 9-7, and then just passed the ball and ran out the clock for 7 or 8 minutes.  That makes for sucky lacrosse for the players and the fans.

You're correct in saying the shot clock will make you shoot.  But that doesn't necessarily mean a smart coach (like Missy) will make her players score.  If  you have an attacker on the end line, you could deliberately shoot high or wide, retain possession, and restart the shot clock.  Or if you were blowing out the opponent, and your own moral compass said embarassing an opponent does no one - nor the sport - any good, you could institute rules like PolarKitten's prep school coach: Only shoot left handed.  Only shoot underhand.  Work on your quick stick.  Give the defenders (and in one memorable game, the GK) a chance to play attack.

Maybe a coach will claim the shot clock "made" them run up a 29-1 score, but I won't believe them for a moment.  And in today's game, they don't even have that lame excuse.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on April 21, 2016, 01:19:03 pm

It will be hard not to run up the score when the rule says you have to shoot. 

Again, I want to reiterate I am not taking sides, and have not seen the game highlights.

But IMO, this is probably not true. Football teams do this all the time, and the rules are essentially dictating the same thing. A lacrosse team has to shoot and a football team has to run offensive plays*

*Technically, neither of them do. Lax teams could just accept the penalty and give up the ball, and football teams could choose to punt. But in the interest of not being pedantic, let's say these things won't happen.


Not running up the score does not mean not scoring, period, IMO. As I said before, at some point, the other team has to do something to help themselves. It's more about the actions you take to prevent the score from going needlessly higher.

In general, I think almost all teams are really good at employing those strategies. The issue is that they wait too long to do them. What seems to happen in most cases where this is an issue (in all sports with almost all teams) is:

1. The starters get left in doing their thing until the coach is satisfied that the lead is disaster-proof.
2. Then, the backups come in, but because coaches want to get them some real work—pragmatically, to help prepare them for if they need to come in if there's an injury, and also just because backups deserve a chance to play and score, too—they do their thing and extend the lead even further.
3. Then, the brakes get applied, and everyone just chills.

Generally, I think the issue is that coaches play it too safe in step one. They overestimate what a truly safe lead is, and thus the game's *already* a blowout when the backups come in. So even if you're just letting some backup attack person score her first goal of the season because she's worked hard all year in practice, and deserves it, or it's your backup QB's first chance to throw it all season it looks like you're just running it up because it's already 18-0, or 42-0 or whatever. If that goal gets scored when it's 7-0, or the pass thrown when it's 21-0 things look totally different.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: pg04 on April 21, 2016, 05:26:06 pm
I follow the ODAC fairly closely as a W&L grad, but there is way more talk about DIII lax in another spot. It happens, even as good as these boards are in other sports.

It's a similar scenario for hockey. I tried to get going on the hockey boards here but most post on another site.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 23, 2016, 02:31:14 pm
Wow.  What a day for NESCAC WLAX.  TWO separate 2 OT games.  There's no better way to spend a rainy Spring Saturday than watching Trinity battle back against Hamilton and Amherst squeak by Williams on the big screen.  (Thank you, Chromecast).

A big battle for the final tournament slot on Wednesday night.  Bowdoin (who destroyed Wheaton today, 16-3 in a game that wasn't that close) faces Tufts, who had their hands full today with Wes (who hung with the Jumbo's and were only down by 1 with under a minute to play).  If Bowdoin wins, they will squeak past Williams for the #8 seed.  (Unless the Ephs somehow beat Midd on Wednesday night).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 23, 2016, 03:30:50 pm
Was watching a bunch of games today.....lacrosse, softball, and baseball.  It was a big Amherst vs Williams weekend!
Yes, the women's lacrosse game in Willytown was a strange game, IMO, and one that proved Vandy74 to be a sort of prophet.  Amherst had a three goal lead in the second half when Williams ties the game at 8-8! With less than three minutes to go. The lady Ephs goes ahead 9-8 with 21 seconds to go and Amherst calls time out...I switched to the men's game.  When Amherst goes up by five, I turn back to see that Amherst has forced the game into OT.  Amherst scores in the sudden death situation to win 10-9.
The men's game ends up 11-8 as Amherst runs out the clock on Seniors day....Amherst said thank you to 12 seniors!

Meanwhile Amherst wins the first game of a double header softball game against Williams at Amherst.
At Midd, the Amherst baseball team comes back from a 7-1 deficit in the 2nd to win 8-7 in a seven inning game.  It was a big weekend for the Panthers' HC who is retiring after this season...32 years at the job.....250 in attendance at the dinner on Friday, including the Amherst's HC, a former player at Midd.
Windy but a cool sunny day in Vermont and Western Ma. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 23, 2016, 09:22:19 pm
The North Central women lost to Illinois Wesleyan today by the score of 7-10. That's the second conference loss for the Cardinals after losing to conference favorite, Augustana on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 24, 2016, 12:26:40 am
Wow.  What a day for NESCAC WLAX.  TWO separate 2 OT games.  There's no better way to spend a rainy Spring Saturday than watching Trinity battle back against Hamilton and Amherst squeak by Williams on the big screen.  (Thank you, Chromecast).

A big battle for the final tournament slot on Wednesday night.  Bowdoin (who destroyed Wheaton today, 16-3 in a game that wasn't that close) faces Tufts, who had their hands full today with Wes (who hung with the Jumbo's and were only down by 1 with under a minute to play).  If Bowdoin wins, they will squeak past Williams for the #8 seed.  (Unless the Ephs somehow beat Midd on Wednesday night).

We'll do what we can for you PolarCat and good luck against Tufts.  Williams will either be already beaten or out for blood, anybody's, on Wednesday.  And it's at their place.  Middlebury will be rooting for Amherst to beat Trinity of course.  I was surprised how easily the Panthers handled Colby today winning 12-2.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 24, 2016, 12:58:53 am
Was watching a bunch of games today.....lacrosse, softball, and baseball.  It was a big Amherst vs Williams weekend!
Yes, the women's lacrosse game in Willytown was a strange game, IMO, and one that proved Vandy74 to be a sort of prophet.  Amherst had a three goal lead in the second half when Williams ties the game at 8-8! With less than tree minutes to go. The lady Ephs goes ahead 9-8 with 21 seconds to go and Amherst calls time out...I switched to the men's game.  When Amherst goes up by five, I turn back to see that Amherst has forced the game into OT.  Amherst scores in the sudden death situation to win 10-9.
The men's game ends up 11-8 as Amherst runs out the clock on Seniors day....Amherst said thank you to 12 seniors!

Meanwhile Amherst wins the first game of a double header softball game against Williams at Amherst.
At Midd, the Amherst baseball team comes back from a 7-1 deficit in the 2nd to win 8-7 in a seven inning game.  It was a big weekend for the Panthers' HC who is retiring after this season...32 years at the job.....250 in attendance at the dinner on Friday, including the Amherst's HC, a former player at Midd.
Windy but a cool sunny day in Vermont and Western Ma.


Williams scored four unanswered goals to take a 8-7 lead over Amherst with 21 seconds remaining.  Amherst tied the score 17 seconds later.  Then they went on to win in OT.  So next Wednesday the Ehs will be playing for their NESCAC tournament lives AND probably will be in a very bad mood.  The Panthers were surprisingly easy winners today beating Colby 12-2. 

I was at the Middlebury-Amherst doubleheader the afternoon amh63.  I missed the first few innings of game 1 because of the women's lax.  Amherst had a big 5-run 6th inning coming from 6 runs down to win 8-7.  The second game looked to be the same scenario when the Purple and White scored two in the 6th to tie it up at 5 apiece.  The Panthers regained the lead with a run in their half of the inning and held on for the victory.  Amherst had won on Friday 5-0.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: polbear73 on April 24, 2016, 08:24:42 am
If form holds for the men on Tuesday and considering tie-breakers, the NESCAC tournament seeding projects as follows: 1. Tufts, 2. Middlebury, 3. Amherst, 4. Bowdoin, 5. Bates, 6. Wesleyan, 7. Williams, and 8. Conn College.  First round games:  Conn College at Tufts, Williams at Middlebury, Wesleyan at Amherst, and Bates at Bowdoin. 

Of course, an upset on Tuesday could change this and anything is possible in NESCAC, but it's interesting to note Middlebury's rebound from their tough early season losses, and Bowdoin's turnaround from last year.  The playoffs will be fun!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 24, 2016, 07:46:47 pm
If form holds for the men on Tuesday and considering tie-breakers, the NESCAC tournament seeding projects as follows: 1. Tufts, 2. Middlebury, 3. Amherst, 4. Bowdoin, 5. Bates, 6. Wesleyan, 7. Williams, and 8. Conn College.  First round games:  Conn College at Tufts, Williams at Middlebury, Wesleyan at Amherst, and Bates at Bowdoin. 

Of course, an upset on Tuesday could change this and anything is possible in NESCAC, but it's interesting to note Middlebury's rebound from their tough early season losses, and Bowdoin's turnaround from last year.  The playoffs will be fun!

I haven't checked anyone elses schedule but the Middlebury-Williams regular season finale is on Wednesday, not Tuesday.  That said, the anticipated Panther win along with Tufts' besting of Bowdoin does make the tournament seeding play out as you say.  That will also mean the Ephs get another shot at the Panthers in the quarterfinal round.  Beating any NESCAC team in back to back games is no picnic.

Note to Bombers798891....I notice Ithaca suffered no letdown against Alfred following the impressive win over RIT.  22-11, 'nuff said.  While not a formidable opponent, Alfred was the most credible foe remaining on the Bombers schedule.  Ithaca has been playing like a Top 5 team, not merely a Top 20 mention.  It might be a while before they fade from national interest allowing you to part company with us.  (Only until next season begins, I trust.)  Your opinions are always well reasoned and welcome and your part in focusing the board's attention on the men's side of things is most appreciated.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: AndOne on April 25, 2016, 01:04:06 am
The North Central women lost to Illinois Wesleyan today by the score of 7-10. That's the second conference loss for the Cardinals after losing to conference favorite, Augustana on Wednesday.

Things in the CCIW are shaking out pretty much as expected. Augie was picked to win and occupies the top position. Carthage, the preseason #2 pick sits in that spot. NCC, picked 3rd, and IWU, the 4th pick, are tied for 3rd with IWU having the head to head tie breaker.
Wonder how Augie will do against the elite teams, most of which are in the eastern portion of the country, with some in the far west.
I would guess college lacrosse is in its relative infancy in the Midwest compared to the eastern teams.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 28, 2016, 03:06:33 pm
Been AWOL  wrt to posting on results.  Oh well, the big battles on Wednesday have happened and the Nescac website  has the " lineups" for the upcoming tournaments. Do not know how they line up with earlier posted expectations. 
I watched a bit of the Amherst vs Trinity women's game in Hartford.  Amherst fell into a deep hole and came back to make the matchup a little more respectful.  On the other hand, the men's game with Trinity at Pratt field was a blowout of sorts...a 22-11 win for Amherst.  Both teams showed offense, but Trinity showed no defense for long periods during the game.  It is surprising to me that the Trinity men's lax team has NOT risen up to the level of their women's team.  Is it a matter of coaches?? ....or Talent?
A sort of naive question on my part, I realize in the lax world.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 28, 2016, 03:31:00 pm
AndOne.....only relatively of late, IMO.  It is true that the Indian game of Lax was born in the East, was nurtured in the multitude of private prep schools in NE and in Md and on Long Island.  However, it has grown by leaps and bound through out the country in public schools in the last several decades. Its rise in the D.C. Area suburbs is reflected in the growth of business that specialize in lax gear, etc.  Holding national championships in NFL facilities in recent years reflect the growth of the game and the fan base.  It will not be too long before there maybe a shift of the power base elsewhere...as the talent base expands.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: AndOne on April 29, 2016, 04:01:39 pm
In its 4/19/16 meeting, the Illinois High School Association Board Of Directors voted to begin sponsoring state championships in boys and girls lacrosse beginning in spring 2018. In October 2009, the Board mandated a threshold of 65 boys teams, and 40 girls teams in order to begin state championship series preparation. As of Fall 2015, there were 42 girls teams, but the number of boys teams fell somewhere short of the required minimum of 65. Programs were evaluated every January since 2009 but the numbers for both boys and girls never reached the thresholds. However, there was an explosion of participation in the sport recently, and in its Jan 2016 review/evaluation, it was found there are now 83 boys teams and 59 girls teams entered in what is referred to as the State Series. The 2 year lag was established to allow schools time to fully integrate, budget, and build their programs, and to allow IHSA officials time to facilitate the tournament details, hire more officials, and select a state finals host site.
As the sport grows on the HS level, it seems there will be more numbers to feed into the college level where we will continue to see additional schools add lacrosse to their officially sponsored athletic teams lineup.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 30, 2016, 03:54:47 am
Hoping for the warm weather to continue tomorrow in Middlebury as both men's and women's teams host quarterfinal action.  The men face a Bates team they defeated 15-12 in regular season play.  The women won the prize of facing Tufts.  Tufts is hard to figure.  How does a team that loses to Connecticut College be the only conference loss for Trinity.  Middlebury beat them 17-9 in conference play but since then, other than losing to ConnColl, the Jumbos have beaten Trinity and Bates while losing to both Hamilton and Amherst by only one goal.  The women play at noon and the men at 1:00.  Anyone not interested in lacrosse can watch the Panther baseball team play a doubleheader with Trinity starting at noon.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 30, 2016, 05:02:16 pm
Great game at Gooding field as Williams upset Amherst 11-10!   It was 6-4, Amherst at the half.
Williams dominated the face offs and built a 3 goal lead, 10-7 in the forth quarter will less than 7 minutes to go.  Amherst ties the game with under 3-4 minutes to go, only to lose the lead.  Amherst has the ball with 18.4 seconds but cannot score.  Amherst had the ball with a man-up with a minute and half and could not score!
Great defense by Williams...as Williams was very physical with Amherst's top scorers.  IMO, Williams wanted the win more.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on April 30, 2016, 08:09:24 pm
With today's OT victory (10-9) over Carthage, North Central secured the #3 spot in the CCIW tournament. They travel to Illinois Wesleyan, on Wedneday,  for a rematch with the Titans in the semi's. Game time  is 7 pm. Regular season champion Augustana will host Carthage. The winner's will face off on Saturday, May 7th.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 01, 2016, 03:37:02 am
Both Middlebury teams won their quarterfinal games on Saturday.  The women's team got off to a slow start as Tufts lead 2-0 nine minutes in. Middlebury tied it up 2 apiece at 14:58 but it wasn't until a goal by Hollis Perticone with an assist from Mary O'Connell making the score 5-4 that the Panthers took a lead they wouldn't relinquish again.  Middlebury led 14-7 with 9:08 left to play before 3 Tufts goals made the final score 14-10.

I was able to watch the second half of the Panther men's battle with Bates.  When I arrived Middlebury led 6-3 but except for some short spurts of action the Bobcats looked like the better team in the second half.  Middlebury scored when they had to.  The goal that made it 6-3 at the half was scored at 00:10.  The tally that tied the score at 8 apiece to end the 3rd quarter happened at the 00:03 mark.  With Bates leading 10-9 late in the final quarter Kyle Soroka scored unassisted goals at 1:10 to tie and the game winner at 00:14.

The Middlebury women take on Amherst next Saturday.  The Purple and White will be looking to avenge an OT loss earlier this season.

The men play Bowdoin.  Women's game at 2:30.  Men's at 3:00  The NESCAC  scheduling gods must be very angry at Middlebury fans.   Trust me, the feeling is mutual. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: AndOne on May 01, 2016, 12:21:50 pm
With today's OT victory (10-9) over Carthage, North Central secured the #3 spot in the CCIW tournament. They travel to Illinois Wesleyan, on Wedneday,  for a rematch with the Titans in the semi's. Game time  is 7 pm. Regular season champion Augustana will host Carthage. The winner's will face off on Saturday, May 7th.

With North Central's win yesterday they finish 13-4 which establishes a new school season record for wins.
NCC was the first D3 school in Illinois to sponsor women's lacrosse as a varsity sport when they began the program in 2007.
Men's lacrosse will become NCC's 25th varsity sport when they enter into varsity competition in spring 2017.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 01, 2016, 05:48:34 pm
I had a fun day yesterday, watching FOUR different NESCAC contests due to the magic of the internet (and the borderline competence of Northeast Sports Network); Amherst-Williams and Bowdoin-Wes MLAX games, and Bates-Colby and Tufts-Middlebury WLAX.

In my mind, the secret to the Eph men's victory was dominating the draw in the second half.  You can't score if you don't have the ball, and the Lord Jeffs came up empty, time and again.  When the LJ's did have possession, they often squandered it by taking really low percentage shots, either long distance or literally from the end lines.  Their GK Thomas Gilligan played well (17 saves), but the Amherst attack just didn't get it done.  It was Amherst's first loss to the Ephs since 2009, and it had to sting.

The Cardinals and the Polar Bears had a nail-biter in Brunswick, marked by great play from both sides.  Bowdoin's Peter Mumford was spectacular between the pipes, stopping numerous point blank rockets, completely stymieing Wes in the 4th quarter, despite the Cardinals taking 9 shots in the period.  As in the Amherst-Williams game, draw controls played a huge role, with Bowdoin's Sam Carlin snagging 17 of 22, leading to a 52-37 shot advantage for the hosts.

Up in Middlebury, the crisp passing and insane stick skills that helped the Lady Jumbos dismantle Bowdoin in the regular season finale seem to have missed the bus to Vermont.  The Jumbos jumped out to a quick lead, and played well (with Brigid Bowser scoring maybe the most beautiful unassisted, coast-to-coast goal of the season in the waning moments), but the Panthers ground the Jumbos down with a balanced attack and a stalwart D.  Midd's GK Katy Mandigo had the best game I've seen her play, with 8 saves and some aggressive play out of the net.

Meanwhile at Mayflower Hill, the Bobcats had a relatively easy time in their rematch with the Mules.  Unlike their meeting last week at Lewiston, the Bates players seemed to control their emotions, while the Mules (maybe egged on by their rowdy fans?) lost their composure, racking up 4 yellow cards on the afternoon.  Hannah Jeffrey was once again magical in goal.  With their lackluster performance, I think the Mules may be lucky to get an at-large bid to the big dance.

My predictions for next weekend:

And the Emmy for best announcing goes to Amherst.  Unlike many of the rubes who work these games, he actually knew something about lacrosse, and his accent (Kiwi?) was a pleasure to listen to.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: polbear73 on May 02, 2016, 08:11:38 am
Great post and summary, PolarCat.  Thanks. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 02, 2016, 02:07:55 pm
I second polbear73's comment.  Nice post PolarCat on Lacrosse....as I have been somewhat distracted a bit on Lax watching.  I agreed on the " draw" dominance of Williams....which I refer to as face off.  Lax is a preppie and suburban sport and I am a city boy wrt sports...though I did dabble a bit with tennis.
Amherst has used a number of players to get some control of draws with no clear cut winner.  How does a player develope the skill other than pure strength and wrist control of sorts? 
It is a much different sort on the women's side.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 02, 2016, 05:36:13 pm
Bombers ranked #1!

Now onto the conference tournament, hopefully avoiding the fate of the 2009 squad, which was ranked third and 14-1 prior to an upset loss in the conference tournament and missed the NCAAs entirely.

Also, congrats to the Ithaca women, who secured the top spot in the the E8 tourney and have a good chance to win it
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 04, 2016, 12:35:32 pm
Ithaca takes on St. John Fisher in the E8 semifinals today. So, I'm just going to say it now, so people don't think it's sour grapes if Ithaca loses in the tournament: I really, really, hate conference tournaments.

Look, I get that the D-III model is about access to the postseason, and that when you introduce a conference tournament, you increase that access for teams. But I think it's stupid that we take the results of, in the E8's case, 36 conference games and let three games potentially overturn them.*

*It's even dumber in basketball, where the teams play each other twice, and the three games can overturn the results of 72 games

Just to be clear, Ithaca's made the NCAAs by winning conference tournaments after not winning the regular season title. In fact, the best men's basketball team in school history did it. Did I enjoy the ride? Absolutely, just like the Fisher, Stevens, or Naz fans should enjoy it if they win this one. We support our teams with the system we have, not the system we want. But that doesn't make the system less ridiculous, now or then.

I've generally come around on the autobid model D-III has embraced. (I still think some sort of hybrid "earned autobid" would be better, but that's another story). But I think you should only get one bite at that apple. If you haven't proven yourself throughout the course of 8, or 16, or however many games, well, that's on you.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 04, 2016, 03:05:39 pm
Bomber798891....see you are all in now that Ithaca is so highly ranked. :).  Tournaments are always a double edged sword wrt a possible road to a Nat. Title.  Amherst is out of its conf tourney after being upset in the quarterfinal by its arch rival Williams....7th seed beating the 2nd seed.  I'm hoping the Nescac's high ranking will allow Amherst to get an at large NCAA bid.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 04, 2016, 03:47:39 pm
Bomber798891....see you are all in now that Ithaca is so highly ranked. :).  Tournaments are always a double edged sword wrt a possible road to a Nat. Title.  Amherst is out of its conf tourney after being upset in the quarterfinal by its arch rival Williams....7th seed beating the 2nd seed.  I'm hoping the Nescac's high ranking will allow Amherst to get an at large NCAA bid.

That happened to Ithaca one year. Ranked 3rd in the country heading into the conference tournament, with an 11-8 road win over Cortland (who would eventually win the Nat. Title). Missed the NCAA's completely despite a 14-2 record thanks to a one-goal loss in the E8 title game. I just remember wondering why there was a regular season at all.

Thankfully, I'd hope their top ranking this year makes such a hiccup not an issue were it to happen again, but I wanted to get my thoughts in before any possible upset
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 04, 2016, 04:55:56 pm
Slow start for Ithaca, which led 2-0 after the 1st, but the Bombers now dominating, up 9-2, and leading in shots 28-10
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 05, 2016, 10:34:02 am
Nice feature on the Bates WLAX team.  (Bates may not always field the most competitive teams, but their SIO is world class. The write-ups for most home games are accompanies by photos of Sports Illustrated quality, and the periodic "Bates Bobcast" is really well done):

https://www.facebook.com/BatesCollegeAthletics/videos/586487398177541/

And at the risk of confirming I am a dirty old man....  When she takes off the GK helmet, Hannah Jeffrey is really cute!  (That comment  is probably a micro-aggression to some college constituency, but I am too old to care).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: NCF on May 05, 2016, 02:00:06 pm
The North Central women lost their semi-final match with IWU yesterday by a score of 9-6. IWU moves on to the championship game of the CCIW tournament against Augustana on Saturday at 1 pm.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 07, 2016, 09:30:57 pm
Cortland State once again trying for a stranglehold on the spring sports championships. Men's Lacrosse team won the SUNYAC title today beating Brockport 7-6.

The Women's Lacrosse team won their 37th straight game over the past two years defeating Brockport today 16-11 to win the SUNYAC championship again. The Red Dragons are the top ranked team in the nation and will be looking to defend their National Championship they won last year.

The Red Dragon softball team remains undefeated in the YAC tournament and will face Buffalo State on Sunday for the championship. The Bengals will have to defeat Cortland twice to claim the title. Good luck with that.

And that brings us to the defending National Champion baseball team who is undefeated in the SUNYAC championship after today's games. The Red Dragon's will face Oswego on Sunday for the title. THe Lakers will have to win 2 games to dethrone the Red Dragons. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 07, 2016, 10:21:30 pm
Magicman.....how does one stop a RED Dragon? >:(
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 08, 2016, 02:38:43 am
Both Middlebury teams advanced to the NESCAC final game on Saturday.  The men as usual made it more exciting than it needed to be but this is a good team and it will be interesting to see what they can bring to Tufts this afternoon.  The Panthers were up 5-1 in the 2nd Q.  Bowdoin closed the gap to one making it 9-8 at 6:56 of the 4th and at 4:22 the Polar Bears earned the game's final tally giving Middlebury a 10-9 lead they were able to preserve by controlling most of the remaining minutes.  Bowdoin had prevailed 9-8 OT in regular season action.

The Middlebury women put on a clinic in the 1st half against an Amherst team they had needed OT themselves to defeat just over a month ago.  The Panthers led 9-0 at the half.  Amherst took only 9 shots on goal the entire game.  The Middlebury defense limited the Purple and White to just three shots in the opening half while the team committed only three turnovers.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 08, 2016, 08:27:02 am
Yelp....Amherst has been anemic on offense lately with no go to player in my opinion.  Defensively they seemed lost during the periods I watched. 
Actually, the Panthers clawed a number of teams yesterday including the Amherst women's tennis team :'(. 
Meanwhile the rains have delayed my gardening chores and I'm posting on football recruits and watching too much " stickball " games  ;D.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 09, 2016, 03:03:22 am
Magicman.....how does one stop a RED Dragon? >:(


amh63,

Need to find St. George and then I'm not even sure if he could do the job.  ;D

On Sunday the Red Dragon Ladies won the SUNYAC Championship in softball without suffering a defeat in the playoffs.

Also on Sunday the Red Dragon Men won the SUNYAC Championship in baseball and were undefeated in tournament play as well. Cortland will undoubtedly retain their #1 ranking in the country and will host the upcoming NCAA NY Regional.   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 09, 2016, 03:41:09 am
Magicman.....how does one stop a RED Dragon? >:(

magicman,

What in 'ell are you doing still up at this hour. :o  Yeah, me too. :D  Middlebury had a rather successful weekend as well although success on the baseball diamond isn't included on the resumé.  Both lacrosse squads made it to the NCAA bracket, the women snapping a 10 game losing streak to Trinity in the process. The men's tennis team also won the NESCAC title while the women had to settle for 2nd place to Williams.  I expect as the #5 ranked team they will join the #2 Ephs playing at the next level of post season competition.  I also believe amh63 is happy enough, for the moment, as well.  Both Amherst lacrosse teams are invited to the party.  Each will be more than willing to slay a Red Dragon if necessary.  On the women's side the Purple & White could face Middlebury a third time if both advance to the round of 8.   Amherst baseball is still alive as well making the championship series.  The past two days have even felt like spring. 8-)


amh63,

Need to find St. George and then I'm not even sure if he could do the job.  ;D

On Sunday the Red Dragon Ladies won the SUNYAC Championship in softball without suffering a defeat in the playoffs.

Also on Sunday the Red Dragon Men won the SUNYAC Championship in baseball and were undefeated in tournament play as well. Cortland will undoubtedly retain their #1 ranking in the country and will host the upcoming NCAA NY Regional.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jknezek on May 09, 2016, 08:56:20 am
Pretty pleased with the W&L men this season. That was a rough start, some big injuries, but the team pulled together. Hard to believe it's been 7 years since our last ODAC championship. Pleased to get this one on the books and a winnable first round match up at home with Sewanee. After that, what a lopsided South bracket half!

As for the women, ODAC dominance continues, but I'm not sure they are anywhere near being a player on the national scene. Tough OOC should have them prepared but, like the men, their OOC record doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Still, a winnable first round game and then maybe a rematch against a team that held W&L to a season low 1 goal. On the upside we held F&M to their season low (tie) of 5 goals.

Either way, proud of both conference championships and wishing my Generals the best.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 09, 2016, 11:44:59 am
Checked the NCAA lacrosse brackets late last night......though not as late as Magicman and Vandy74 :).  Come to think on the topic...they are just VERY early morning people!
Back to the topic.   Yes, the Nescac picks for the post season on both the men and women brackets were both expected AND unexpected.  The number of picks from the conference were lower than suggested from announcers of games yesterday....yes, I watched them.  First, Congrats to the Panther ladies for their title win.  On the Trinity field no less.  First time in lax history that a two seed beat a one seed in a title game!   Guess that is a reason to win the regular season.  Amherst's only women's  national title was in a year it did not win the conference title.
Need to point out that both Amherst's tennis teams will be in the hunt in the post season though both have been lower ranked this season....in part to the the rise of the Panthers and the Polerbears.
oops...women's tennis team to host, but the men's team missed out.  Expect some individual players to be invited.
The brackets are most interesting to me.....maybe a trip up to nearby Gettysburg in the near future to see a lax game live. :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 11, 2016, 05:07:11 pm
Ithaca sort of sleepwalked through the E8 title game, the scored tied 10-10 in the 4th before pulling away. But the Bombers are showing no signs of letdown in their NCAA opener. Ithaca's reeled off 14 straight goals and leads Morrisville State 17-2 at the half

Is anyone else pumped for a potential Ithaca-Cortland 3rd round game?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 11, 2016, 05:30:02 pm
Ithaca adds two more early in the 2nd half and has now taken their foot off the gas. A 19-2 lead with 13:00 to go in the 3rd is now 19-5 at the end of the period. Good to see the Bombers focused, but also playing with some sportsmanship. I tend to give teams a little more leeway in the postseason for this stuff...you've got to play your game and be sharp for the next one....but hate to see anything get too out of hand
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 12, 2016, 10:28:34 am
Watched the Amherst vs RPI game at RPI at the RPI East field.   Wanted to see the game at the newer football field. :)
Anyway, it was 2-3, RPI, first quarter; 8-6, Amherst at the half; 13-8, Amherst after the 3rd period and 16-11 Amherst at the end of the game.  Amherst over came a 5-2 situation in man-down penalties. 
In the last few minutes, Amherst was trying to run the clock down..avoiding another score.  RPI then tried to put 2 players on the Amherst player with the ball...even pulling its goal keeper.  An Amherst player put the ball in the open net, stood still and shrugged his shoulder as to say, Why Not!...as time ran out.

Now the Amherst team has to face RIT in the next round.  Meanwhile, Tufts ran over its opponent Emmanual  at Tufts.  The Midd vs Springfield game in VT was nip and tuck until the end.  The Pride won in Three OTs over a flat Panther team, imo.

It seems that there were many lopsided scores in the first round.  The announcers for RPI mentioned that the game at RPI was expected to be close; between two evenly ranked teams.

Have a niece that graduated from RIT.  Hope it will be close as RIT has only lost one game so far this season.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jknezek on May 12, 2016, 10:48:19 am
W&L eased past Sewanee with a strong 4th quarter. Sewanee statistically had the better game, but W&L looked the better team. Bigger, stronger, faster. Lot of Sewanee shots were wing and prayer from outside as they had trouble penetrating the W&L defense. W&L, however, will need to play better to get past York. A hot goalie helps, and W&L's was outstanding again, but despite being physically more imposing than Sewanee the Generals looked tired in their 3rd game in 5 days. With only a short turn around before York, W&L will need to find an extra gear somewhere.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 12, 2016, 04:04:42 pm


It seemed that there were many lopsided scores in the first round. 

So, I wanted to ask about this, because I don't know much about D-III lacrosse nationally, but watching the Ithaca game, I was kind of stunned that, even against a team as great as this Bomber team is, an NCAA playoff team could get outscored 13-0 in one quarter.

I was looking at some top 20 polls, and I saw that Ohio Wesleyan (10/17), Bowdoin (13/16), Williams (16/ARV) Bates (14/18) and  Stevens (19/ARV) teams did not qualify for the NCAA Tournament, while obviously some unranked teams did. Rankings aren't gospel truths, of course, but this happens in D-III sports. Because of the reliance on autobids, sometimes really good teams from deep conferences get left home if they lose in the conference tournament while the best team in weaker conferences gets in, despite probably not being as good.

I don't know if this is the case with regard to lacrosse, and as I said, if it is, D-III views it as a feature, not a bug (Which...okay, I don't agree, but it is what it is). And this isn't a rip on Morrisville St., but it's the first thing that popped into my mind
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 12, 2016, 04:29:25 pm
Have to give credit to the Amherst men's team...the student part of the student-athlete.  The NEILA...New England.. Lax Assoc...announced its All-academic awards today.  89 seniors were honored among Div1,2 and 3 schools....65 were D3 players that met the grade point minimum and were prominent players on their teams.  Amherst led all schools in all divisions with 8 seniors!  Nescac rival Middlebury had 6 seniots. Div 1 schools, Brown and Harvard each had 6 seniors honored.

Jknezek, mentioned that some of the teams playing in the first round seemed a bit fatigue late in the game....due to the number of games played over a short period of days.  The announcer at the RPI game brought that point up as Amherst started to pull away in the second half.  He mentioned a recent RPI game against a tough opponent...while Amherst had about "two weeks" off after being upset by Williams in its Tourny.  It was the end of April!   Need to point out that the start of finals at Amherst was on Tuesday...with the game on Wednesday.   Seniors have much to do before graduation in a few weeks ...at Amherst.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jknezek on May 12, 2016, 04:51:12 pm


It seemed that there were many lopsided scores in the first round. 

So, I wanted to ask about this, because I don't know much about D-III lacrosse nationally, but watching the Ithaca game, I was kind of stunned that, even against a team as great as this Bomber team is, an NCAA playoff team could get outscored 13-0 in one quarter.

I was looking at some top 20 polls, and I saw that Ohio Wesleyan (10/17), Bowdoin (13/16), Williams (16/ARV) Bates (14/18) and  Stevens (19/ARV) teams did not qualify for the NCAA Tournament, while obviously some unranked teams did. Rankings aren't gospel truths, of course, but this happens in D-III sports. Because of the reliance on autobids, sometimes really good teams from deep conferences get left home if they lose in the conference tournament while the best team in weaker conferences gets in, despite probably not being as good.

I don't know if this is the case with regard to lacrosse, and as I said, if it is, D-III views it as a feature, not a bug (Which...okay, I don't agree, but it is what it is). And this isn't a rip on Morrisville St., but it's the first thing that popped into my mind

Bombers it works the same way as it does in football, AQ, Pool B and Pool C. So you end up with the same disparities you are familiar with in other sports. All of DIII works the same way, and given the same kind of travel restraints, you get what you get. I will say that while football has a few conferences with 2 or maybe 3 playoff worthy teams, there are lax conferences that run almost the whole conference deep versus some of the AQ leagues.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 12, 2016, 05:07:17 pm
Bomber798891...it is what it is presently and what happens when there are strong conferences and weak conferences.  I was somewhat surprised that the Nescac got only three teams into the post season....Bowdoin, Wesleyan and Williams missing out.  Case in point was that Tufts, top ranked Nescac team, blew out its opponent....the winner of its conference.  It was over by the first quarter....final score was 25-5, I believe.  RIT, beat out RPI for its conference title.  Meanwhile, Middlebury lost in 3OTs to Springfield at home 11-10.  Middlebury beat Williams in the semi- final game to reach the conference finals.  It is noted that Amherst was upset by its arch rival in the quarter finals.  Emmanuel has played Tufts for the past three years in the first round in Medford...and lost.  Things may change in the future as the lax talent pool grows around the country.  Meanwhile, schools like Ithaca, Cortland State, RIT capture the NY talent! :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 13, 2016, 03:03:45 am


Now the Amherst team has to face RIT in the next round.  Meanwhile, Tufts ran over its opponent Emmanual  at Tufts.  The Midd vs Springfield game in VT was nip and tuck until the end.  The Pride won in Three OTs over a flat Panther team, imo.



Have a niece that graduated from RIT.  Hope it will be close as RIT has only lost one game so far this season.


Flat describes the Panthers perfectly amh63.  I was there.  Very disappointing.  I watched it with a Middlebury friend whose grandson plays for St. Lawrence.  Prepped at Choate, I believe.  He was disappointed the possible Middlebury-St. Lawrence rematch wouldn't be played here but since the Panthers didn't win it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 13, 2016, 03:58:03 am


It seemed that there were many lopsided scores in the first round. 

So, I wanted to ask about this, because I don't know much about D-III lacrosse nationally, but watching the Ithaca game, I was kind of stunned that, even against a team as great as this Bomber team is, an NCAA playoff team could get outscored 13-0 in one quarter.

I was looking at some top 20 polls, and I saw that Ohio Wesleyan (10/17), Bowdoin (13/16), Williams (16/ARV) Bates (14/18) and  Stevens (19/ARV) teams did not qualify for the NCAA Tournament, while obviously some unranked teams did. Rankings aren't gospel truths, of course, but this happens in D-III sports. Because of the reliance on autobids, sometimes really good teams from deep conferences get left home if they lose in the conference tournament while the best team in weaker conferences gets in, despite probably not being as good.

I don't know if this is the case with regard to lacrosse, and as I said, if it is, D-III views it as a feature, not a bug (Which...okay, I don't agree, but it is what it is). And this isn't a rip on Morrisville St., but it's the first thing that popped into my mind

the 2013 Panthers went 13-3, 8-2 in the NESCAC tying Conn. Coll. for 1st place.  They were highly ranked nationally.  Both losses were by a single goal.  As the #1 seed in the CAC tournament they handled Amherst 19-9 in the quarterfinal game.  I was there.  In the semifinal, however, #4 Wesleyan upset them 9-8.  It was a down year for Tufts who had finished only third in regular season play but they upset Conn. Coll. in their semifinal action and went on to beat Wesleyan for the AQ in the finals.  Middlebury did not get an at-large bid.  Last season Middlebury was 7-3 in conference play, 13-6 overall.  Losses included a 17-11 beating by Tufts and a 21-11 drubbing at the hands of RIT.  In the conference semifinals Tufts manhandled them 23-9.  But Middlebury still made the NCAA tournament.  Go figure.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 13, 2016, 09:13:30 am
Hey!  What happened to gender equality on this board?  Let's talk about WLAX, too.

If you think the men's bracket has some lopsided results, wait till the women start playing on Saturday.  All 4 NESCAC teams (Midd, Trinity, Bates and Amherst) have first round byes, as do Cortland, TCNJ, Salisbury, F&M, York and Catholic.  Some of the AQ's also got first round byes, including Pomona-Pitzer, Chapman, Denison, Calvin (???), Colorado College, Rhodes (???), Augustana and Concordia.  Expect some blow outs when some of these AQ's take on the "big dogs" in the third round.

Meanwhile, last year's "Team That Wanted to Be Recognized" Mount Union takes on a very solid Washington & Lee team in the first round, with the winner facing F&M.  Washington & Lee is 13-5 but all their losses came from ranked teams, like Salisbury, F&M and Gettysburg, and two of their losses were by single goals.  I think the Generals will easily handle the 15-3 Purple Raiders on Saturday, then get fed into the meat grinder against the Dips on Sunday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jknezek on May 13, 2016, 10:23:38 am
Meanwhile, last year's "Team That Wanted to Be Recognized" Mount Union takes on a very solid Washington & Lee team in the first round, with the winner facing F&M.  Washington & Lee is 13-5 but all their losses came from ranked teams, like Salisbury, F&M and Gettysburg, and two of their losses were by single goals.  I think the Generals will easily handle the 15-3 Purple Raiders on Saturday, then get fed into the meat grinder against the Dips on Sunday.

I don't know about UMU but W&L is a few pieces shy of being able to beat the big dogs. They are very good, are on their seventh straight trip to the tournament, and beat their first opponent the last two years before succumbing. Not sure this is W&L's best team, they struggled for goals against the top tier teams, but I also think they will get past a relatively untested UMU. SJF seems to be the only tournament team UMU faced, and SJF didn't have much trouble with the Raiders.

W&L gave Mary Washington and St. Mary's all they could handle. If they had pulled out one of those two wins they might be sitting on the bye. But Salisbury, Gettysburg and F&M showed W&L there is still work to be done if you want to compete at the very top level.

I'd like to see W&L earn the rematch with the Dips. See if they can hold them to just a few goals again.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 13, 2016, 12:37:44 pm
In spite of PolarCat's call for equality....hey, the CAC schools like Amherst are playing on Sunday in the 2nd round....women teams, I have a men lax question for posters here. The question is the amount of  crossover players between Football and Lax.  In my dark age time at Amherst, there were a number of football players that played Lax.  Yes the sport has changed and stick skills much improved as well as the quickness, speed of players, etc....far from the days at Johns Hopkins where football players used that sport to get into shape for Lacrosse, :)
Anyway, in recent games that I watched, announcers mentioned particular players at Middlebury, Tufts, RPI and maybe Williams that also played football.  I took notice in the Middlebury game when the draw/ face off specialist of Middlebury was mentioned as a football player.  I thought of strong forearms and strength of wrists.   In the Williams upset of Amherst...7th seed over the 2nd seed, Williams dominated Amherst in the draws.  I do not believe that the present Amherst team has a football player on its roster.  The HC seems to go after pure Lax players.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jknezek on May 13, 2016, 12:57:50 pm
W&L had one guy last year that played both football and lacrosse. I think it's not too terribly uncommon to have one or two at W&L. But there are none on the roster right now. It was a lot more in the late 90s when I was there. Probably 3-5 at a time. But I don't remember there being that many in quite a while.

Kids specialize so much these days and it starts so early, I think it is harder and harder to compete at even the larger h.s. levels in more than one team sport let alone DIII. Track and football? Sure. But wrestling and football or football and lax, let alone football and basketball? Really, really hard.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 13, 2016, 04:16:50 pm


Bombers it works the same way as it does in football, AQ, Pool B and Pool C. So you end up with the same disparities you are familiar with in other sports. All of DIII works the same way, and given the same kind of travel restraints, you get what you get. I will say that while football has a few conferences with 2 or maybe 3 playoff worthy teams, there are lax conferences that run almost the whole conference deep versus some of the AQ leagues.

Yeah, I figured the pool system was the same, and this last part was more what I was wondering. How much of a problem* is it? Seems like a big one, if Ithaca's first-round game is any indication

*As defined by those of us who don't like seeing playoff games that are 24-7, 21-4, and the like. Obviously, D-III doesn't consider it a problem since they approved the system they use.

I've come around that AQ's are going to exist, and that they should, to some degree. But I do think they could be modified in a way to mitigate these issues to an extent
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: polbear73 on May 13, 2016, 04:21:26 pm
W&L had one guy last year that played both football and lacrosse. I think it's not too terribly uncommon to have one or two at W&L. But there are none on the roster right now. It was a lot more in the late 90s when I was there. Probably 3-5 at a time. But I don't remember there being that many in quite a while.

Kids specialize so much these days and it starts so early, I think it is harder and harder to compete at even the larger h.s. levels in more than one team sport let alone DIII. Track and football? Sure. But wrestling and football or football and lax, let alone football and basketball? Really, really hard.
I couldn't agree more about your comments regarding today's specialization.  In the Bowdoin-Middlebury semi final game, I was struck by the fact that the announcer mentioned 5-7 Middlebury players who were also football players while I was aware of zero for Bowdoin. 

While the skill level is 1000% better today (stick handing) than in the dark ages when I was in college when football players dominated lacrosse, I find it sad that we don't have more two sport athletes. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 14, 2016, 02:52:45 am
W&L had one guy last year that played both football and lacrosse. I think it's not too terribly uncommon to have one or two at W&L. But there are none on the roster right now. It was a lot more in the late 90s when I was there. Probably 3-5 at a time. But I don't remember there being that many in quite a while.

Kids specialize so much these days and it starts so early, I think it is harder and harder to compete at even the larger h.s. levels in more than one team sport let alone DIII. Track and football? Sure. But wrestling and football or football and lax, let alone football and basketball? Really, really hard.
I couldn't agree more about your comments regarding today's specialization.  In the Bowdoin-Middlebury semi final game, I was struck by the fact that the announcer mentioned 5-7 Middlebury players who were also football players while I was aware of zero for Bowdoin. 

While the skill level is 1000% better today (stick handing) than in the dark ages when I was in college when football players dominated lacrosse, I find it sad that we don't have more two sport athletes.

There is a football-lacrosse  coaching link at Middlebury.  Football HC Bob Ritter has been an asst coach for the lacrosse team for over 15 years. 

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 14, 2016, 10:22:55 am
Yeah, I figured the pool system was the same, and this last part was more what I was wondering. How much of a problem* is it? Seems like a big one, if Ithaca's first-round game is any indication

*As defined by those of us who don't like seeing playoff games that are 24-7, 21-4, and the like. Obviously, D-III doesn't consider it a problem since they approved the system they use.

I've come around that AQ's are going to exist, and that they should, to some degree. But I do think they could be modified in a way to mitigate these issues to an extent

Unfortunately, I don't think there is an easy solution.  You need AQ's (particularly in WLAX), if you are going to grow the sport.  WLAX has  been a huge beneficiary of Title IX, as a school can justify revenue-producing Men's Football and Basketball programs by offsetting them with relatively inexpensive WLAX programs.  And as the concussion frenzy grows, I think you'll see more and more young athletes, parents, and colleges moving away from football to MLAX.   So the sport keeps growing, and the NCAA will need to keep adding more and more slots for AQ's.  And some of the AQ's from some of the new conferences just aren't very good.  (We saw a first round game last year where either of the AQ's could have been trounced by a good prep school team.  It was ugly lacrosse).

The logical opposite of today's system would be to have all the strong teams in one half of the bracket, and all the weak teams in the other.  That would give you good close games through the first 3 or 4 rounds, but blow-outs in the semi's and championship.  I'd say that system would be much less desirable than what we have now.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 14, 2016, 02:59:04 pm
Mount Union 11, Washington & Lee 10. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 14, 2016, 03:25:07 pm
Well, the Nescac teams did well today.  Tufts wins handily over the Red Dragons of Cortland State in Medford.  I stopped watching when Tufts went 10...yes 10 goals up in the 2nd half.  Amherst had a nip and tuck game with RIT in Rochester and had a 9-7 lead at the half.  It was still a two goal lead in the third period  although Amherst had a three goal lead for most of the period.  The spread went up to 4 goals in the 4th period and the score was 17-14, Amherst at the end.  Sun came out near the end and it was shining on Amherst as RIT lost only its second game of the season!
Boy, I need to proof read my posts.
Tufts will face Ithaca at home next....the present number 1 ranked team.  Good match.  Amherst will face its third straight NY team in St Lawrence at Canton, NY...the 4th ranked team.  Oh Well...at this time of the year, all the opponents are tough.  Lots of Ma., Ct. Players on the St. Lawrence and even a Bowdoin alum assist. coach ;)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 14, 2016, 06:23:14 pm
Mount Union 11, Washington & Lee 10.

That's a quality win.  Hats off to the Purple Raiders.  If they do well against F&M tomorrow, they're the real deal.

Most of the other games today were close, with only one blow-out:

Cabrini defeated Meredith 12-11 and faces Salisbury tomorrow
Ithaca blew out Regis 24-2 and faces Trinity Sunday
Keene State nipped Castleton 10-9 and faces defending National Champion Cortland tomorrow.
Springfield had a surprisingly tough time with Bridgewater State, but won 8-7.  They face Bates tomorrow.
St. Joe's (LI) topped Lasell 8-6 and face TCNJ
FDU Florham defeated SUNY Poly 11-7, and take on Midd Sunday
William Smith beat Roger Williams 13-7 and face Gettysburg tomorrow

I'd be surprised if any of those games tomorrow are close, but I've been wrong before.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 15, 2016, 03:18:15 pm
Amherst wins at home over York(Pa) 12-7.  It was only 4-3 at the half, Amherst.  Turned to another Nescac game as I was disappointed at Amherst's sluggish play.  Saw the Panthers and Bantams well ahead....and the Bates vs Springfield in a low tied game. 
Amherst goes on a 7 goal run in the second half and it is 11-3 with11 minutes and change remaining.  Amherst gets careless again against a team that loss four games against the likes of Salisbury, Gettysburg, F&M by only a goal.  York scores 4 straight goals and Amherst holds on for the win. 
See that Middlebury wins by the same score over FDU- Florham.  Trinity holds off Ithaca...11-8, I believe and Springfield prevails 3-2 over Bates in Maine.
Overall, good day for the CAC teams.  Here is hoping for three women's lax teams in the Final Four!
Amherst takes on the winner of the Gettysburg-Williams-Smith match. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 16, 2016, 10:57:52 am
Congrats to the Ithaca women, first for the dominant opening round game, and then for the great effort in the 2nd. A season to be proud of.

The IC men survive and advance, and get to play a Tufts team that just obliterated Cortland. Ithaca's going to have its hands full
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on May 16, 2016, 02:24:57 pm

The logical opposite of today's system would be to have all the strong teams in one half of the bracket, and all the weak teams in the other.  That would give you good close games through the first 3 or 4 rounds, but blow-outs in the semi's and championship.  I'd say that system would be much less desirable than what we have now.

The NHL essentially had this set up when they first expanded in the late 60s. The Original six teams were all in one conference, the expansion teams in the other. That's how the St. Louis Blues wound up going to three straight Stanley Cups their first three years in the league and going 0-12 when they got there. Agreed, it's not the best option

I think there should be some sort of hybrid AQ model, like say your conference earns the AQ by having at least one team in the final regional rankings, for example. That way, we still preserve the presence of the AQ, and don't tilt the field too much toward power conferences—all it takes is one team to earn you the AQ, even if that team doesn't win your tournament—but we also allow for a bit more competitive NCAA Tournament.

Ultimately, it's hard because I'm not an athletic administrator. I'm a fan. So even though I understand why we have AQs and the benefits they serve, it's just disappointing to see games dominated in this fashion. These games aren't fun to watch, and I don't know if they're fun to play in. I'm sure on one hand, just the feeling of going to the NCAAs, playing on that stage is great. On the other, I'm sure losing 25-2, 19-1 isn't all that enjoyable.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jknezek on May 17, 2016, 04:16:05 pm
I was on vacation, but W&L lacrosse, both men and women, took it on the chin. The men just couldn't keep up with York. The women fell behind early. An awful start. And while they chipped away at UMU for the rest of the game, it was just a hair too deep of a hole. Congrats to UMU's women. That was a good win for them and they got off to a hot start.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 18, 2016, 03:07:42 am
Just a few words acknowledging what a group of Mount Union freshmen started in 2013.  It was the inaugural season for the women's program.  They opened with a one goal loss to a mediocre Oberlin team.  Their remaining games were against unchallenging competition but they won them all and only once by less than ten.  The following season they took on a real schedule.  They went 16-3.  They lost the opener 17-16 against Marymount (VA) and to Cortland State 20-5 in the NCAA tournament.  Conference foe Baldwin Wallace beat them 11-10 but the Raiders repaid the favor 18-9 in their conference final.  They were 4-0 against the veteran NCAC.  In the opening round of the NCAA, 2 year old Mount Union beat Keuka 16-5.  They ran the table in their third regular season.   A 5-0 record against NCAC competition included a 17-11 victory over Denison.  They beat #18 ranked Fredonia 9-7.  Albion was their opening NCAA opposition and went down 18-0.  Catholic ended the Raiders' season beating them 21-8.  This season the senior led team stepped up to the next level.  They beat a ranked opponent in the NCAA tournament.  #17 Washington & Lee looked very much like many probably expected Mount Union to look trailing 8-2 at the half.  The Raiders dominated.  The Generals played well in the second half, probably as well as they could.  For a while it looked like they might just come back from the seven goals they were down after an early Raider tally.  Mount Union was up to the task however and walked off the field with a meaningful 11-10 post season victory, the Generals final score coming at :08.

But about that 14-3 loss to Franklin & Marshall.  It was 5-3 at the half.  The Diplomats led 3-0 at 22:12.  At 7:13 the Raiders tied the score at 3 apiece.  Franklin & Marshall's fifth goal came with 22 seconds remaining.  The #4 ranked team in DIII won the second half 9-0.  Whatever.  Hats off to the nine Mount Union seniors who stayed with the program from their FY.   One is from Pennsylvania, another from Kansas and the remaining seven are from Ohio.  What a great ride. 8-)   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 18, 2016, 07:02:08 am
Good luck to Tufts and Amherst this afternoon with a Final Four match up at stake.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 18, 2016, 10:08:08 am
Vandy74.....thanks for the comment wrt the men's side.  Both teams have higher ranked opponents to overcome...so what's new.
On the women's side.....see that Middlebury will be hosting the regionals this Sat.  Live doubleheader to watch for you.  It is going to be a " strange " weekend for the seniors on both  Amherst teams.  Graduation  is this weekend for Amherst.  Wonder what the seniors are going to do.  On the Gettysburg website....the lax seniors had a separate event prior to their 16 May graduation date.  Remember that Tufts also had an early event for their players several seasons ago.  I do not remember an Amherst team playing on Graduation day.  Recall Tennis players flying in from the West Coast just in time for graduation.  Recall talking to parents of baseball players on the subject.  The parents said that they would leave it up to their sons....but prefer to see them graduate with their class.  The situation of having the match up in the Green Mountain state is that it is too far to go.  This assumes that Amherst wins on Sat.  Graduation is on Sunday.
If the men win today....they will also have conflicts this weekend.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: MUC57 on May 18, 2016, 10:12:56 am

Vandy74

Thanks for the kind words about the Mount Union women's lacrosse team. We all know they are not quite in the same class as the East coast teams. I have said this numerous times. However, they have performed very well in a short time. I hope they can keep it going.

If we look at the history of the football team, we see the following:
     1st game  1893
     1st OAC championship  1985
     1st playoff appearance 1985
     1st national championship 1993
We know what they have done since. So, I guess there is still hope for the lacrosse team. Damn, I sure wish I could be around to see that. At my age, they better hurry!

Thanks again and good luck to your teams and all the remaining teams.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 19, 2016, 01:00:45 pm
amh63, your boys are going to be home for graduation after that strong second-half comeback from St. Lawrence.  And I think there's a pretty good chance the women will be joining them Sunday, as I think 17-2 Gettysburg (with their two losses coming at the hands of F&M and TCNJ) may prove the better team.

That's the bitter pill for spring sports.  If you keep winning in the tournament, your seniors don't get to graduate with their class.  And if you lose - particularly the day before graduation - I don't imagine they have much fun during Commencement.  A shame that the joy in celebrating 4 years of academic success and personal accomplishment can be tempered by the outcome of one game. 

Good luck to the Lady Jeffs, wherever they may find themselves come Sunday!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 19, 2016, 06:39:52 pm
PolarCat....thanks for your comments.  Yes, the Amherst men's team had a sort of melt -down of sorts. The St. Lawrence team played a more physical game in the second half...one player actually scored a goal after running over the Amherst defender!  I mentioned to my wife that even if Amherst had won, the team would not beat Tufts. The Tufts team took it to Ithaca and the announcers in Canton made it known to the crowd in the 4 th period.
Speaking of Tufts....the Tufts' baseball senior players had a separate graduation ceromony.

Spoke to my daughter wrt the Ithaca lost...she works in Ithaca and sometimes attends Cortland and Cornell sports events.  It struck us that Amherst Graduation weekend is " early" this year.  We remember Amherst graduations to fall on Memorial Day weekend. Oh well, it is what it is.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jumpshot on May 20, 2016, 10:50:08 am
There are wide variances in the recruiting/admissions/athletic/disciplinary policies among Division III schools and conferences, as each enterprise strives serve their own best interests, including in men and women's lacrosse.

For example, the Centennial Conference permits two-weeks of out-of-season formal team practices for all sports. One college in that conference also has an incoming first-year class of 17 male lacrosse players. That same school allowed a player who was cited for public drunkenness and destruction of private property to continue playing in the current NCAA tournament the same day it was reported in the local media, as well as in subsequent games.

The competition to attract and retain a declining applicant pool for small liberal arts institutions continues to escalate with more strategic shifts (as mentioned, eg. substitution of lacrosse, soccer, etc. for football) in the near future, as well as marginal expedient accommodations.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jknezek on May 20, 2016, 11:03:27 am

The competition to attract and retain a declining applicant pool for small liberal arts institutions continues to escalate with more strategic shifts (as mentioned, eg. substitution of lacrosse, soccer, etc. for football) in the near future, as well as marginal expedient accommodations.

I don't see this happening at all. Schools are adding football because a decent football team brings 60-120 tuition paying men to a DIII campus. With declining men's enrollment, football could be a key driver in retaining gender ratios. With the improvement in turf fields, you can use the same facility for football, soccer, fh, lacrosse... The start up expense falls a lot if you aren't purpose building a facility.

Coaches and equipment and travel costs are expensive, but given the number of bodies you are talking about football can actually be a decent bang for the buck. Fewer coaches per player than most sports, even if more coaches overall, so long as you don't go coach crazy. Many DIII schools have 3 full time coaches and a couple assistants. For 80 bodies, that is cheap coach to player ratio compared to say basketball. The last DIII team to quit football was over 10 years ago (Swarthmore maybe?). Since then many schools have added and we continue to see stories of schools investigating.

We are also seeing the beginning of a slow rebirth in wrestling. The most common application of Title IX (I'm not opposed to Title IX, I just don't like what happened in reality to men's sports as opposed to what was intended to help women's sports) hurt men's sports for decades, but now that attracting men to campus is harder than attracting women, we are going to see more men's sports programs come back or flat out get added. That helps lacrosse, wrestling, and football. The top level DIIIs, with plenty of applicants and under 30% acceptance rates, have the money to pay for as many sports as they want mostly. The middle and lower level DIII schools, scrapping for applicants with 75%+ acceptance rates, need every option they can get for luring males to campus.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jumpshot on May 20, 2016, 12:06:38 pm
jknezek, I was referring to concussion issue regarding football, not financial attributes. See extensive earlier discussion on football portion of this website.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jknezek on May 20, 2016, 12:11:01 pm
jknezek, I was referring to concussion issue regarding football, not financial attributes. See extensive earlier discussion on football portion of this website.

If you are referring to the discussion on the NESCAC boards, the NESCAC schools aren't particularly representative of the struggles facing DIII colleges and admittance rates. Regardless of the concussion issue, I think you'll keep seeing football being added at the broad DIII level. Bodies are needed on campus for many schools, especially the full tuition paying kind. The NESCAC, and the other top DIII educational schools, don't really participate in that reality.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jumpshot on May 21, 2016, 04:34:42 pm
Gettysburg College crushes the plague 12-4 today in the NCAA women's lacrosse tournament. Hard to beat Gettysburg in two activities:
lacrosse (lots of private school kids since comprehensive fee exceeds that of Princeton due to low endowment), and daily partying (think dominating social culture with limited academic enrichment).

Let's see how Panther Pride does tomorrow ....
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 21, 2016, 07:09:36 pm
Gettysburg College crushes the plague 12-4 today in the NCAA women's lacrosse tournament. Hard to beat Gettysburg in two activities:
lacrosse (lots of private school kids since comprehensive fee exceeds that of Princeton due to low endowment), and daily partying (think dominating social culture with limited academic enrichment).

Let's see how Panther Pride does tomorrow ....

I attended both games.  Amherst looked lost out there today.  Gettysburg led 2-0 only two and a half minutes into the game.  Amherst seemed to settle down and tallied to make the score 2-1 at 22:28.  Seven minutes later the Bullets scored for the third time and from that point on the Purple and White were either outplayed or busy beating themselves.  It just wasn't their day. 

St. John Fisher scored first in the opening game and their third goal at 17:04 made it 4-3 Middlebury.  The Panthers then scored seven unanswered to take an 11-3 lead into the half.  While the outcome was never seriously in doubt the second half was mostly in favor of the visitors.  New GK Molly Maguire, who had been inserted following Middlebury's final goal of the first half at 1:26 continued to play well stopping 5 of 6 shots. 

Middlebury and Gettysburg know each other well having faced off nine times since 2004.  The Panthers have never played host however.  Tomorrow will be a first.  Middlebury owns a 7-2 advantage in the series, 5-1 in regular season play and 2-1 in NCAA tournament action.  That post season loss occurred the last time they played in the 2014 round of 16 when the Bullets shot down the Panthers 9-7.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 22, 2016, 01:42:03 pm
Vandy74.....watched parts of both games at Middlebury and a bit of the Trinity win too.
My wife made a comment when she watched a little of the game...had it on the big screen.  She stated that Amherst looked like they did not know what to do.  Amherst did look lost on defense and very cautious on offense.  Made too many TOs and lost most of the draws.  Late in the second half, felt the HC should have put in the younger players as the starters just went thru the motions, imo.  Gettysburg was just bigger, stronger and played the game better.
Watched the Amherst's graduation today online......the seniors looked happy walking across the stage and looking out in the audience at family.

Good luck to the Panthers today!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jumpshot on May 22, 2016, 03:05:01 pm
Panther Pride rules as Middlebury women lacrosse team outguns the Gettysburg Bullets 13-9. Midd kept attacking with second half lead, had several excellent two-sport student-athletes competing (one outstanding in goal), and maybe benefited from having played back-to-back games in the same weekend five times this season versus the Bullets only twice.

Way to go Midd women lax ....!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 22, 2016, 07:40:17 pm
The Nescac did well today.  I leave the particulars of the Midd win to Vandy74...I'm sure he was there :).
It seems that the CAC will have both the Panthers and the Bantams in the Final 4...women's Lax.  The 2016 final 4 will be the same as in 2015 with unbeaten Cortland and F&M the other two.
On the men's side, Tufts beat St. Lawrence badly in Medford before a huge crowd.  It was 23-12 , I believe.  The winners over Amherst made a run in the 3rd but it was too little and way too late.  St. Lawrence scored 3 goals in each quarter, while Tufts scored 5 in the first and 4 in the fourth and the rest in between.  Tufts is defending their title...going for their 3rd straight Nat. Title!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jumpshot on May 22, 2016, 09:01:54 pm
Salisbury University dominates Gettysburg 14-6 in men's lacrosse to go to the championship game next weekend against a high-scoring Tufts team. Salisbury has a 46-19 advantage on ground balls and wins 19 0f 22 face-offs, a particular weakness all season for Gettysburg.

Gettysburg also defaults to individual selfish play with players fussing with each other on both offense and defense (which had been playing well recently).

The Tufts-Salisbury match-up could be a memorable one with whichever team having the last shot winning ....

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 23, 2016, 03:50:46 am
The Nescac did well today.  I leave the particulars of the Midd win to Vandy74...I'm sure he was there :).
It seems that the CAC will have both the Panthers and the Bantams in the Final 4...women's Lax.  The 2016 final 4 will be the same as in 2015 with unbeaten Cortland and F&M the other two.
On the men's side, Tufts beat St. Lawrence badly in Medford before a huge crowd.  It was 23-12 , I believe.  The winners over Amherst made a run in the 3rd but it was too little and way too late.  St. Lawrence scored 3 goals in each quarter, while Tufts scored 5 in the first and 4 in the fourth and the rest in between.  Tufts is defending there title...going for there 3rd straight Nat. Title!

I admit I was somewhat concerned halfway through the first half when Middlebury trailed 4-2.  The Panthers often use the opening fifteen minutes finding their game before taking charge.  The six-goal run that followed shouldn't have surprised.  The 8-5 halftime lead quickly became 10-5 early in the second stanza.  With the Panthers up 11-6 Gettysburg produced a three goal run of their own on a free position goal and two scored while they played short-handed during a penalty.  But three was as close as they would manage with Middlebury controlling the ball for most of the final 5:15 following their final tally.

As jumpshot noted Middlebury has several two-sport players and they were the stars today.  Bridget Instrum (Field Hockey) led all scorers with 4 goals and an assist while Megan Griffin (Swimming) also tallied five points with 3 goals and 2 assists.  Katie Mandigo (Ice Hockey) put in another solid performance as GK with 8 saves on 17 shots.  Ironically, she is an offensive weapon on the rink, not a goalie.  Freshman midfielder Sara DiCenso, who has logged time in every game this season, also plays soccer.

Trinity faces Franklin & Marshall while the Panthers are up against Cortland State.  It's time we heard from magicman.  Actually it's time his true rooting interest Plattsburg gave him a women's lacrosse team to follow. ;)

A Middlebury vs Trinity championship game would be intriguing if both teams prevail on Saturday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 23, 2016, 10:15:47 am
Nice post guys.  Vandy74...I tried to look for you at the Midd game.  Saw an older person helping out when the Panthers huddled during time outs.  Saw someone talking with a coach...did your sister in law watch the game and her former recruits, the seniors?  I'm sure you avoided paying ;D

Guess, I am going into a sort of CAC withdrawal for awhile...as schools "close" for the Summer.  Maybe try to watch a little lax this weekend.  UMass vs. UMD in Div1 is one game that caught my attention.  Will be up in Ithaca over the weekend.  It was actually warmer up North than here in the DC area this weekend.  Greetings to your Cuz! :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 24, 2016, 02:30:46 am
Nice post guys.  Vandy74...I tried to look for you at the Midd game.  Saw an older person helping out when the Panthers huddled during time outs.  Saw someone talking with a coach...did your sister in law watch the game and her former recruits, the seniors?  I'm sure you avoided paying ;D

Guess, I am going into a sort of CAC withdrawal for awhile...as schools "close" for the Summer.  Maybe try to watch a little lax this weekend.  UMass vs. UMD in Div1 is one game that caught my attention.  Will be up in Ithaca over the weekend.  It was actually warmer up North than here in the DC area this weekend.  Greetings to your Cuz! :)

Missy's been loving every minute of it amh63, and yes, she was there.  She's enjoying retirement and I enjoy having my civilian status restored, even if it means I have to cough up the price of admission. :D  The Cuz was there as well and I'll give him your regards Wednesday night when we play Trivia at the local pub.

On a sports note I see that five's the charm for the Middlebury women's tennis team.  They won today's quarterfinal match against Amherst.  It's their first win over the Purple and White in NCAA tournament competition after four defeats.  They will face Emory (the other school I was accepted at) in tomorrow's semifinal action.  The Middlebury men's team also advanced to the semifinal round besting Washington (Mo.) and will match up against Chicago.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 25, 2016, 02:00:13 pm
A closing note for Amherst Lax this year.   On Amherst social media section wrt to Commencement 2016, there was an Instagram photo of the women Lacrosse seniors.....standing at the War Memorial in their capes on, holding their class canes in the air and smoking their cigars!  Seems a new tradition is being set :).  Pic had over 200 likes.  Brave new world for the ladies....wife laughed and shook her head.  Players/grads smoking cigars....I associate with football. 8-)


Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jknezek on May 25, 2016, 02:31:28 pm
A closing note for Amherst Lax this year.   On Amherst social media section wrt to Commencement 2016, there was an Instagram photo of the women Lacrosse seniors.....standing at the War Memorial in their capes on, holding their class canes in the air and smoking their cigars!  Seems a new tradition is being set :).  Pic had over 200 likes.  Brave new world for the ladies....wife laughed and shook her head.  Players/grads smoking cigars....I associate with football. 8-)

I think that's awesome. Cigars as an occasional celebration is something I can be behind, and as a father of a young daughter  without ties to Amherst, I would love to show her this pic. Even sans context, it sounds like something she would benefit from.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 25, 2016, 08:09:04 pm
jknezek....the Instagram pic IS still on the Amherst website....Reunion has started today so you need a bit of care.  Go to the Commencement site and look there for "social media" link.  My daughter in Groton NY will not show my grand daughter the pic....but I will :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 26, 2016, 12:58:09 am
jknezek....the Instagram pic IS still on the Amherst website....Reunion has started today so you need a bit of care.  Go to the Commencement site and look there for "social media" link.  My daughter in Groton NY will not show my grand daughter the pic....but I will :)

Very cool pic. 8-)  For those with disapproving mothers, here's the link:    https://www.instagram.com/p/BFu0lJiImZN
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 26, 2016, 12:28:02 pm
Well the Pioneer Valley was once home to a lot of tobacco farms, so the photo is fitting.  But are you sure that those are Cohibas, and not the Bob Marley / Cheech & Chong version?  Probably a lot more fun, and I bet there were lots of good munchies available.

Kidding aside, I'm glad they got to graduate with their classmates, and are all smiles.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 26, 2016, 03:42:23 pm
Well the Pioneer Valley was once home to a lot of tobacco farms, so the photo is fitting.  But are you sure that those are Cohibas, and not the Bob Marley / Cheech & Chong version?  Probably a lot more fun, and I bet there were lots of good munchies available.

Kidding aside, I'm glad they got to graduate with their classmates, and are all smiles.

I know you're basically a football and lax rooter, depending on the school PolarCat, but congrats to the Bowdoin men's tennis team on it's first national championship.  5-0 winners over the Panthers yesterday.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 27, 2016, 06:26:58 am
PolarKitten and I watched the webcast together yesterday,  A quality win by a great group of guys, a couple of whom are still playing in the individual (not team) singles and doubles tournament.  There will be a massive party of the Men's Tennis and Women's LAX squads this summer in Chatham or Nantucket to celebrate.

Are you headed to Philly this weekend to watch the Panthers?  Bring me back a cheese steak and a piece of Shoo Fly pie if you are!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 27, 2016, 10:29:18 pm
PolarKitten and I watched the webcast together yesterday,  A quality win by a great group of guys, a couple of whom are still playing in the individual (not team) singles and doubles tournament.  There will be a massive party of the Men's Tennis and Women's LAX squads this summer in Chatham or Nantucket to celebrate.

Are you headed to Philly this weekend to watch the Panthers?  Bring me back a cheese steak and a piece of Shoo Fly pie if you are!

No travel plans to Philly PolarCat.  I plan to let Middhoops feed me tomorrow night.  Hopefully with more lacrosse to enjoy on Sunday.    MC men's tennis still has a team alive in the doubles competition.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 27, 2016, 11:58:58 pm
Should be a good game tomorrow when the Middlebury Ladies face off against the defending champion Cortland Red Dragons in the National Semifinals of the NCAA Lacrosse tournament. I think the Cortland Ladies will defend their title but if anyone can stop them from doing so it could be the Panthers. Still I'm betting Vandy, that the drinks will be on him when he makes his visit to Memorial Hall this coming basketball season. Wish these two were meeting in the championship game instead of the semifinals. Don't think that the Red Dragons will win this one by a 14 or 16 goal margin like their previous 3 NCAA games. I see a final score of something like a 15-9 Cortland win.

Hoping that the Cortland Ladies can gain a measure of revenge against the NESCAC for the whipping the Tufts Men put on the Cortland Men in the 2nd round of the NCAA Lacrosse tournament. I expect the Jumbos will make it 3 National Titles in a row when they take on Salisbury on Sunday for all the marbles. The Jumbos marched through New York beating Cortland, Ithaca and St Lawrence, all by double digit margins. Can you say juggernaut? Rooting for the Jumbos to keep the title in the Northeastern part of the country.

Cortland Men trying to repeat as the National Champions in baseball. They won their first game today in the DIII World Series as the D3 National Pitcher of the Year, Cortland's Seth Lamando, threw a shutout against Emory University and defeated the Eagles by a 1-0 score in a pitcher's duel. Lamando had 10 strikouts and scattered 6 hits. He improved his season's record to 10-0 and lowered his ERA to a miniscule 0.72  Cortland's  Paul Dondero homered to account for the only run in the game.
         
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 28, 2016, 07:38:53 am
Magicman, Vandy74.......it is amazing to me that you guys can stay up so late!   It must be in the genes.....up in Groton, next to Cortland, and it is not the North region air.
Thanks for the latest info.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 28, 2016, 02:43:18 pm
A great win for Middlebury over #1 and previously undefeated Cortland.  16-11.  The Panthers have a short history of jumping out to early leads against the Red Dragons only to see them come back and win.  Today was different fortunately.  And none other than Hoopsville's Dave McHugh covering the vid-steam action.  I'll be looking forward to drinking on magicman's nickel in Plattsburgh next winter. :D

Standout performance by Panther GK Katie Mandigo who has done nothing but steadily improve since she hung up her ice hockey skates and joined the team at mid-season. 

Possibly a more in depth post later but for now I'm just enjoying the continuation of HC Kate Livesay's inaugural season at the helm and hoping for a Trinity victory in the later game.  Go Bantams, today anyway. ;)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: middhoops on May 28, 2016, 04:00:30 pm
Magicman, your spell isn't broken on me yet.  I officially spot you a mulligan because women's lax isn't in the sphere of your genius for picking games.
Great win for a Midd team that is peaking at the perfect time, with one rather large contest to go.
Congrats to coach Livesay (and her parents) on a huge win over a tremendous Cortland St. team today.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 28, 2016, 05:03:21 pm
A great win for Middlebury over #1 and previously undefeated Cortland.  16-11.  The Panthers have a short history of jumping out to early leads against the Red Dragons only to see them come back and win.  Today was different fortunately.  And none other than Hoopsville's Dave McHugh covering the vid-steam action.  I'll be looking forward to drinking on magicman's nickel in Plattsburgh next winter. :D

Standout performance by Panther GK Katie Mandigo who has done nothing but steadily improve since she hung up her ice hockey skates and joined the team at mid-season. 

Possibly a more in depth post later but for now I'm just enjoying the continuation of HC Kate Livesay's inaugural season at the helm and hoping for a Trinity victory in the later game.  Go Bantams, today anyway. ;)

That means of course that you will be making the trip over to the Burgh this winter. The drinks are only on me if you bring that long unseen cousin of yours, who wrote the post below, with you.  ;D

Glad that if Cortland had to lose it was to another of my favorite teams. Can the first year Panther's coach pull off the amazing and win it all in her first year on the job?  Here's hoping. Good luck to the Panthers in the championship game.

Magicman, your spell isn't broken on me yet.  I officially spot you a mulligan because women's lax isn't in the sphere of your genius for picking games.
Great win for a Midd team that is peaking at the perfect time, with one rather large contest to go.
Congrats to coach Livesay (and her parents) on a huge win over a tremendous Cortland St. team today.

I was close with my final score of 15-9 but had the wrong team on top. The 16-11 final wasn't as close as it looks as the Panthers had 7 goal leads on several occasions in the 2nd half.

As you stated Lacrosse isn't in my wheelhouse. I defer to resident genius Vandy on that front. I'd say the Panther victory was something of an upset, as the Cortland women were defending champs, holders of a 40 game winning streak and nobody came close to beating them all year long as they usually won by double digits, but Middlebury made it look so easy, you can't say they got lucky.   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 29, 2016, 07:49:13 pm
Congratulations to the Middlebury women on their championship winning performance today.  5-0 at the half.  9-5 the final score.  So happy for HC Kate Livesay, her players and especially the seniors who have been so much fun to watch play these past four years.   Once the nerves settle a bit I'll watch the replay on the ncaa site.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 29, 2016, 10:02:02 pm
Glad to see the Panthers followed up their big win over Cortland with a National Championship. Congratulations to them. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 30, 2016, 07:14:16 am
Me too! :)  Congrats to the lady Panthers Title win. Thought I saw Chrissy Ritter's parents in the stands...online. 
The Tufts lost to Salisbury was a " strange " game to me....long scoring runs by both teams.  Looked like a blow out for the Seagulls, only to have the Jumbos come right back.
All In all, it was a nice showcase for the Nescac. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 30, 2016, 11:15:13 pm
Me too! :)  Congrats to the lady Panthers Title win. Thought I saw Chrissy Ritter's parents in the stands...online. 
The Tufts lost to Salisbury was a " strange " game to me....long scoring runs by both teams.  Looked like a blow out for the Seagulls, only to have the Jumbos come right back.
All In all, it was a nice showcase for the Nescac.

Sue Ritter is hard to miss amh63.  A very animated and proud parent when her kids are playing.  I was amused that the camera focused on her at least three, maybe four times, during the course of the game. :D  I didn't spot her husband but I did see their son who just finished his FY at MC.  The ex-HC was there to root on her seniors as was my brother although neither appeared in camera shots of the crowd that I noticed.  Many other players' parents I recognized as well.

Cortland State's impressive run was cut just short by Trinity, the one in Texas, who beat them out for a berth in the baseball DIII championship round.  Here's hoping magicman's SUNYAC loyalty will be rewarded with a strong Plattsburgh basketball team when that season arrives. ;) He is, after all, partial to Cardinals over Red Dragons. 8-)

While some of us will continue to post randomly on various boards here's wishing all a pleasant summer.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 01, 2016, 11:59:07 am
And none other than Hoopsville's Dave McHugh covering the vid-steam action.

It was me! Second year in a row calling the games for the women's championship weekend. Fun to call solid games. Believe it or not, I've been involved, covered, called lacrosse games for as long as I have basketball - we just don't have a website for me to be as involved... yet.  ;D
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: middhoops on June 01, 2016, 09:59:43 pm
Dave, you did the best job of announcing a lacrosse game I've heard/seen yet.  Thanks for making the game so clear to all viewers.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on June 02, 2016, 11:48:34 am
Wow middhoops! Thank you. Unexpected, but appreciated. I will admit that women's lax is a real challenge, especially when doing it solo, but I have finally felt somewhat comfortable. I just hope I can call more games in my future (like more than two D1 games I did this year for the Big East Network as a color guy).

But thank you again... I really do appreciate the kind words.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: AndOne on June 04, 2016, 02:31:10 pm
Congrats to North Central's Gina Fisher who was selected to play in the Division III Seniors All-Star game.
This season, Gina helped lead the Cardinals to the most wins in school history. She finished as NCC's all time leader in goals (216), assists (107), ground balls (375), draw controls (260), and caused turnovers (205).

http://northcentralcardinals.com/news/2016/5/31/womens-lacrosse-fisher-honored-by-iwlca.aspx?path=wlax

* The link contains the IWLAC press release containing the names of all players selected for the D1, D2, and D3 All-Star games.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on July 23, 2016, 10:15:06 pm
It's not D3, but bear with me - there's a reason I am posting this.

There is a strange and awful train wreck playing out at Dartmouth, as Coach Amy Patton was forced to resign after 26 years at the helm of a very successful program.  The official details haven't been revealed by either the school or Coach Patton.  However, based on articles in the local paper (the Valley News), Lax Magazine's reprinting of a letter signed by current and past Dartmouth players, plus comments made by current parents and others associated with the program, it sounds like....

A 2nd year player who was not getting playing time complained to the Administration that she was being "bullied" by the coach and other players.  In particular, she did not like the way her teammates spoke to her when she did not know the plays at practice.  There have been allegations she bad mouthed the coaches and captains in social settings, which led to more distancing of the player from her teammates, which the aggrieved young lady characterized as further bullying.

A witch hunt ensued, and a highly respected coach (one of four coaches selected to coach in the new women's professional league) was forced to resign, with the modern equivalent of a scarlet letter painted on her resume, thanks to a kid who didn't like her coaching style.

How does this pertain to D3 WLAX?  Well I can think of a girl on my daughter's team who could fit this same pattern, and I bet that at least half of the D3 programs have at least one athlete who isn't getting playing time and feels she has a grievance against her coach.  We may be reaching a point where, in addition to coaching, mentoring AC's, fighting with Admissions, balancing a budget, and caring for the mental, physical and emotional health of their players, a coach who wants to keep coaching must know add "snowflake-coddling" to her job description.

(PS: If you have not yet seen the IWLX - new professional league - you owe it to yourself to watch the upcoming tournament on ESPN3 on July 30 and 31st.  The players are "the best of the best", and they have made some exciting rules changes, like a shot clock that WORKS. While USLacrosse dillies and dallies, the IWLX have made a few single tweaks which make the game so much more interesting to watch.)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on August 18, 2016, 09:43:07 pm
Tufts has posted that they have hired an alum for the men's lacrosse team.  The new hire was the HC at Taft prep school where he he made the program an upper level one.  The native Conn native was a three sport student athlete at Tufts...football, lacrosse and basketball.
Seems the former HC left in July to take the job at Brown in R I.  Thought Brown was in the Title run last year....so how did that job become vacant?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: nescac1 on August 31, 2016, 11:50:07 am
PolarCat, I was skeptical that Harry Sheehy (who was pretty damn tough on his players, himself, back in his coaching days, but was well-liked and well-respected) would fire someone based on something so flimsy, and it does seem that there is another side to this story that you have ignored in your post:

http://thedartmouth.com/2016/07/28/community-reacts-to-pattons-resignation/

Now, I have no idea if this firing was justified, or not.  But I do think PolarCat you are making this far more black and white than the history here seems to be.  Because personnel matters are confidential, we are not going to hear the full story.  But the idea that this was all about only one aggrieved student seemed incredible on its face, and indeed, it does appear that at least some other student-athletes have had serious issues with this coach.  Now, plenty have plenty of good things to say about her, too, but that alone is not dispositive, either.  Lots of Indiana players had great experiences with Bobby Knight -- doesn't excuse him choking a player, or his other ridiculous acts on the court. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Canvas Hightops on September 27, 2016, 03:03:51 pm
Hmmm.  Getting the lay of the land here.
Sounds like a parent making a (somewhat impassioned) point and a legal mind seeking clarity.
But, Dartmouth, here?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on September 27, 2016, 05:42:07 pm
Hmmm.  Getting the lay of the land here.
Sounds like a parent making a (somewhat impassioned) point and a legal mind seeking clarity.
But, Dartmouth, here?


Dartmouth alum, daughter plays for Bowdoin.  I know he can speak for himself but we're both living on the football board for the most part lately.  I hope you'll be back here to join us when the lax season begins.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on November 15, 2016, 09:58:59 pm
Thanks Vandy.  FB season is over, so I am back on the WLAX board.

nescac1, a current mother on the Dartmouth team relayed a lot of the "back story" to me.  There is a lot more to it than will ever see the public eye.  But it's safe to say Harry didn't exactly cover himself with glory by the way this was handled.   There is a LOT more information on the other WLAX board (PM me if you don't know where that is), and most of it gibes with what the player's mother relayed to me.

And Canvas Hightops, the location of the story was Dartmouth, but when you dive into the nuances, it could have happened at any WLAX program, D1, D2 or D3.  It is a sad, cautionary tale of one additional challenge HC's have to contend with, and representative of our current snowflake culture, where colleges cancel classes because their students are too devastated to function following their candidate's defeat in the election.

If you find it off topic, so be it.  But it's not like my mentioning it distracted the Board from more pressing matters.   ;D
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on January 29, 2017, 04:45:24 pm
+/- 75 days without a post.  17 days till the teams start practicing officially.  Can we bring this board out of hibernation?

There's some interesting discussion on the "other" WLAX board, but this place is deader than the proverbial doorknob.....
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on February 14, 2017, 10:10:23 am
PolarCat....just some comments to stir your "active" mind.
Was on the UConn website to check out info on the big WBB game on Monday.  Noticed that LAX practice was underway!  Contrast that with D3 and Nescac Lax. :)
Another bit of info for you.  Saw a football recruit for '21 class at Amherst listed.  Younger brother of a Big Green Football captain.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on February 19, 2017, 02:02:53 am
I'm still in basketball junkie mode and seem to have lost the enthusiasm to post much on any board lately but news out of Williamstown, MA bears notice.  Christine Mason, who has been HC of WLAX at Williams for 32 years has announced she will be retiring at the end of the upcoming season.  She has twice led her teams to the national championship game.  Her next win will be #300.  She was the field hockey HC for 19 seasons as well.  Including one year coaching field hockey at BU, her combined record stands at 505-230-15.  Although amh63, PolarCat and I cannot honestly wish her a final season with fewer than 3 losses, I'm sure the two of them join me in congratulating coach Mason on an impressive career. 

Her daughter Emily Schoessow, captain of both the ice hockey and lacrosse teams during her student days at Connecticut College, has spent the last 6 years building the WLAX program at Wis.-Concordia into the power of the MWLC.  They are the preseason pick to win the conference title again having gone undefeated in league play the past two seasons and earning berths in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on February 19, 2017, 10:20:33 am
Mason is a class act.  It will be interesting to see who Williams tips to replace her.  Williams struggled last year (2-8 in conference, 5-11 overall), and I expect her girls will work hard to send her off with a memorable final season. 

Williams opens with Trinity, then RPI, then Bowdoin.  I suspect she will get her 300th win at home vs. RPI.  (If she opens the season with a win, this will be a crazy year in NESCAC).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on February 24, 2017, 02:17:44 pm
Some comments/news.
Natalie Moore, a Bowdoin grad in. 2015 and a fine Lax player has been hired as an assistant coach for the Amherst Women lax team.  A former teammate of PolarCat's Polarbears?  :)
The men's tennis team is heading south to Orlando Florida very very soon.  There is a huge new tennis complex there and teams from around the country are arriving,  Maybe only a matter of time that D3 lax teams will find their way to Orlando.
Am thinking wrt PolarCat's question on a new HC at Williams.  Another time and another post.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 02, 2017, 09:42:08 am
OK. PolarCat and Vandy...felt compelled to adjust my "eyes" to some Lax play.
Went to the Bates game in Maine...online of course...and all I saw was a field, heavily covered in dense fog!  Went to the game at Babson...Bates men's game...and saw players move around with no announcers.VERY dull!
Later, while awaiting some D1 MBB games....hey, how about the Commodores Vandy!...I watched the exciting game between Georgetown vs Johns Hopkins Un in Baltimore...women's game. 
Remember the number of times I watched the Lady Jeffs in the Final 4 battle on that field.  Even had a old friend, a JHU grad, sitting with me in the stands.  Remember a tall fleet Amherst player run the field from VT named Allison.  She is now the women's lacrosse HC at Deerfield with the last name of DiNardo.  Remember she grew up and played near Middlebury.  Always wondered why she came to Amherst to win a national title.  Played at one of those close by Middlebury feeder schools....think her patents were connected to Middlebury.  Thought she maybe a good candidate for the Williams job but her married name changed that...her husband maybe an Amherst grad on the Amherst athletic staff.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 02, 2017, 10:44:25 am
OK, back again!
Some more info on Allison of Deerfield.  In 2003, Amherst won the National Title over Middlebury.  In the prior year, Amherst lost in 2OT to....you guess it, Middlebury.  Allison was a junior in 2003.  Her family name is Aldrich.  She went to Middlebury Union and is from Cornwall VT.  Vandy...you must know the family! :)
PolarCat, it seems that the Amherst vs Bowdoin game scheduled for Sat. Has been moved to Sunday.  Seems the reason is weather conditions in Maine...high winds and bitter cold temps.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 04, 2017, 12:06:58 am
OK, back again!
Some more info on Allison of Deerfield.  In 2003, Amherst won the National Title over Middlebury.  In the prior year, Amherst lost in 2OT to....you guess it, Middlebury.  Allison was a junior in 2003.  Her family name is Aldrich.  She went to Middlebury Union and is from Cornwall VT.  Vandy...you must know the family! :)
PolarCat, it seems that the Amherst vs Bowdoin game scheduled for Sat. Has been moved to Sunday.  Seems the reason is weather conditions in Maine...high winds and bitter cold temps.

amh63,

Allison's dad was a very successful HC of the MC women's cross country team winning 6 national championships between 2000 and 2010.  He retired a few seasons back but continues to support Middlebury lax.  He and I have watched many games together over years.

Regrettably, I'll have to miss this season's MC-Amherst women's match up.  My fantasy baseball draft is that day. :P
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on March 04, 2017, 09:57:53 am
amh63, you are correct: Nat Moore was a FANTASTIC player an even better person, and a teammate of PolarKitten.  It will be fun to see her back in Brunswick, particularly if her old team beats her new team.   ;D

Four of the NESCAC WLAX games have been moved to Sunday due to bitter cold today.  Although the "bitter cold" part is open to interpretation.  Game time temps today were projected to be 13 F with a wind chill of -3.  Heck, in Maine or Vermont, we consider those spring conditions.  We must be coddling the players from the Deep South, like Amherst.  Need to toughen up those Lady Jeffs, amh!

Sadly, I will miss the game, since I had a previously booked flight I can't change.  Hopefully the plane will have WiFi and I can watch the action (from the notoriously bad Bowdoin camera angle, and with the often-worse, clueless announcers) from 30,000 feet.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 05, 2017, 01:00:30 am
amh63, you are correct: Nat Moore was a FANTASTIC player an even better person, and a teammate of PolarKitten.  It will be fun to see her back in Brunswick, particularly if her old team beats her new team.   ;D

Four of the NESCAC WLAX games have been moved to Sunday due to bitter cold today.  Although the "bitter cold" part is open to interpretation.  Game time temps today were projected to be 13 F with a wind chill of -3.  Heck, in Maine or Vermont, we consider those spring conditions.  We must be coddling the players from the Deep South, like Amherst.  Need to toughen up those Lady Jeffs, amh!

Sadly, I will miss the game, since I had a previously booked flight I can't change.  Hopefully the plane will have WiFi and I can watch the action (from the notoriously bad Bowdoin camera angle, and with the often-worse, clueless announcers) from 30,000 feet.

Middlebury hosts Connecticut College in one of those games.  Naturally it's scheduled to start at 2:00, the same time as another athletic contest amh63 and I will be paying much closer attention to, the NESCAC women's ice hockey finals.  It's been a parity season with top seeded Middlebury earning only an 11-4-1 conference record.  Only two of the nine NESCAC teams have losing records in conference play. # 5 seed Amherst has played it's way into the AQ winning title game.   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on March 06, 2017, 10:35:47 am
Two amazing OT upsets yesterday as Bowdoin defeated 8th ranked Amherst, and Wes defeated 13th ranked Bates.  The Bowdoin result didn't surprise me, though Junior GK had an incredible performance in net.  But I never saw Wes coming.  Could this signal the renaissance of the Cards program?

In a rare double header (Colby played their "home" opener at Bowdoin, due to conditions in Waterville) 16th ranked Hamilton nipped the 18th ranked Mules in a close fought game.  A great afternoon of WLAX in Brunswick.

It's shaping up to be a great year in the Conference.  Midd and Trinity have yet to be tested, each cruising to easy wins yesterday.  I suspect the Polar Bears will only get stronger as the season progresses.  Two impact players who are rehabbing missed the Amherst game, and the FY's who played showed some understandable nerves and made some mistakes in the pressure of their first collegiate outings.



Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 06, 2017, 10:51:42 am
In the two Bowdoin vs Amherst Lax matches, the home teams " held serve".  Congrats to the lady Polarbears as their defense made it hard for the lady LJs. 
You are correct PolarCat, the camera coverage of the game in Maine has much to desire.  How about a side camera coverage?  Leave the announcer alone since he must be watching the action at the end zone and calling it from that perspective.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on March 06, 2017, 04:52:27 pm
Yeah, that end zone mounted camera leaves a lot to be desired.  Not only is it tough to see the action at the far end of the field, but you also miss out on all the crowd noise.

On the plus side, the camera person did a pretty good job of following the action.  I've seen too many CAC games where the player with the ball disappeared out of the frame, penalties were missed, etc.

The guy announcing the Bowdoin games does an okay jobs, though like most NSN announcers he clearly doesn't understand the rules of the Women's game.  The LJ announcer is the best in the CAC and I wish NSN could clone him for the other schools.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 07, 2017, 11:39:27 am
Need to clarify an earlier posted remark...wrt the Bowdoin NSN  announcer.  Meant to say "Left" vice " Leave".  One cannot comment/ describe on plays that one cannot see :).
With respect to the NSN paid announcer on the Amherst men's game, he is a local one who did the UMass-Amherst hockey games.  He would do the Amherst hockey games pro bono.  In a crude sense,men's lax play can be like men's hockey with all its body checks, etc.  In the dark ages of my Amherst years, Amherst would go to UMass down the road and play a mean form of Lax.  The Team made up of mainly football players would crash into the net goalie at times.  Of course, the "ball" would sometimes go into the Cow fields next door. :). Very primitive in those days. 
Of course, women lax is a more refined game with no body armour/helmets/gloves.  Skill/speed in both games are the key elements,imho.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 09, 2017, 10:39:32 am
The Nescac Lax teams are going full speed now...winning over out of conference teams.  Both Amherst teams won handily over their opponents...Keene and Western New England.  Seems the Bowdoin vs Amherst matches to start the season were outliers.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 13, 2017, 02:00:50 pm
The Bates team put a whipping on the Amherst men's Lax team the other day at Bates.  Saw the mounds of snow in the background.  Must be the weather impact on the Southerners from Mass. :).
In any case glad that this generation of Lax players are not like from the football team ... as in my days.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 29, 2017, 09:30:48 pm
After watching two games at Amherst on a cold evening to game under the lights at Franklin & Marshall in Pa.  Defending Nat. champs, Middlebury women's team was playing from behind to a very solid Diplomat team...on a 7 game winning streak.  Midd ties the game with less than 4 min. In the game at 8-8.  With over 2 and half min to go, Midd goes for the last shot win less than 10 sec.  Game goes into OT.  F&M wins in OT.
Midd' s going for the last shot came out of a timeout.  It was surprising in that the Panthers scored 2 goals under a minute to tie the score 8-8. 

Amherst's women's team won 11-0 over Babson.  Amherst's men's team had its way over a good Springfield team...19-14, I believe.  It was 18-5 for the longest time, Amherst.  According to the announcers...it was cold and windy conditions in Amherst.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 29, 2017, 11:13:57 pm
After watching two games at Amherst on a cold evening to game under the lights at Franklin & Marshall in Pa.  Defending Nat. champs, Middlebury women's team was playing from behind to a very solid Diplomat team...on a 7 game winning streak.  Midd ties the game with less than 4 min. In the game at 8-8.  With over 2 and half min to go, Midd goes for the last shot win less than 10 sec.  Game goes into OT.  F&M wins in OT.
Midd' s going for the last shot came out of a timeout.  It was surprising in that the Panthers scored 2 goals under a minute to tie the score 8-8. 




Unforced turnovers were costly for Middlebury in a game played to an almost statistical draw.  The Panthers trailed 4-0 before finally scoring.  They tied the game at 5-5 and 8-8 but never led.  They never possessed the ball in OT.  It has been a tough week for the Panthers who suffered overtime defeats at the hands of Bowdoin and Franklin & Marshall while managing an impressive victory over TCNJ.  Middlebury returns from their Spring Break road trip to host Amherst on Saturday.   The LJs have also experienced an OT loss in Brunswick this season.  I'm counting on amh63 to watch this one for me as I'll be attending my fantasy baseball league draft. :( :(   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 04, 2017, 10:30:42 am
Have no fear amh63, the program will rebound with the new mascot.  Every athletic young woman in America dreams of being called a "Mammoth".  About the only more feminine mascot I can think of would be the "Feral Pigs".
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 05, 2017, 12:22:01 pm
PolarCat...True :). My comment elsewhere was based on the point that female Mammoth...how can you tell?...also have tusks. 
Now the Polarbears is Nothing a cuddly Mascot or an Eph.  Come to think about that...Williams does not have a great women lax team.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 06, 2017, 03:41:52 pm
Tough battle to overcome.  On the recruiting trail, we used to hear "Play for Williams?  Are you Eph-ing kidding me?"

It will be interesting to see what type of coach Williams hires for next year.  There are some Eph parents agitating for a young gal with D1 experience, instead of someone with NESCAC roots.  Not sure I agree with that.  The Ephs have struggled the last few years, but Chris Mason is a class act, and teaches great life lessons. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on April 12, 2017, 12:40:52 am
Hey Vandy amd amh63,

As both of you have stated on several occasions...why doesn't Plattsburgh have a Women's Lacrosse team?

I can now say they don't, but they will.

Big announcement coming out of Plattsburgh State earlier today. The Cardinals will be adding Women's Lacrosse as a Varsity sport in 2018-19. The first game will be played in the spring of 2019.

We have a new AD this year and maybe that had something to do with it. He came from St. Lawrence University and they have a strong Lacrosse program. I think his sons also played in high school. It's possible the former AD was also pushing for it, but there may have been a problem with finances or the administration. At any rate the ladies will finally get to join the SUNYAC and now the league will have the full 10 teams since Plattsburgh was the only member of the SUNYAC conference that didn't field a team.

One of the local schools, Plattsburgh High School started a boys lacrosse program this year as well and hopefully the rest of the area will get on board. Many of the NY high schools to the west and south of our region have boys and girls high school teams, but no one here in the Champlain Valley has fielded a team until this year. The Plattsburgh High team is actually comprised of students from several other high schools in the area to have an appropriate number of players to field a team. Glad to see the Cardinals finally get on board.

Here's a link to the press conference announcement:   http://gocardinalsports.com/news/2017/4/11/general-plattsburgh-state-to-add-womens-lacrosse-as-18th-varsity-sport.aspx?path=wlax     
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 12, 2017, 02:23:50 am
Hey Vandy amd amh63,

As both of you have stated on several occasions...why doesn't Plattsburgh have a Women's Lacrosse team?

I can now say they don't, but they will.

Big announcement coming out of Plattsburgh State earlier today. The Cardinals will be adding Women's Lacrosse as a Varsity sport in 2018-19. The first game will be played in the spring of 2019.

We have a new AD this year and maybe that had something to do with it. He came from St. Lawrence University and they have a strong Lacrosse program. I think his sons also played in high school. It's possible the former AD was also pushing for it, but there may have been a problem with finances or the administration. At any rate the ladies will finally get to join the SUNYAC and now the league will have the full 10 teams since Plattsburgh was the only member of the SUNYAC conference that didn't field a team.

One of the local schools, Plattsburgh High School started a boys lacrosse program this year as well and hopefully the rest of the area will get on board. Many of the NY high schools to the west and south of our region have boys and girls high school teams, but no one here in the Champlain Valley has fielded a team until this year. The Plattsburgh High team is actually comprised of students from several other high schools in the area to have an appropriate number of players to field a team. Glad to see the Cardinals finally get on board.

Here's a link to the press conference announcement:   http://gocardinalsports.com/news/2017/4/11/general-plattsburgh-state-to-add-womens-lacrosse-as-18th-varsity-sport.aspx?path=wlax   

That's great news magicman.  The SUNYAC offers some good programs in 2015 National Champion Cortland, along with Fredonia and Brockport who have populated the Top 20 in recent years.  There is plenty of high school talent to recruit from on the eastern side of the Champlain Valley while the local NY schools begin to take up the sport and develop their own.  Do you know if the plan is to play at the club level next year in preparation for the 2019 varsity season?  Welcome aboard.       
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on April 12, 2017, 03:58:02 pm
Hey Vandy amd amh63,

As both of you have stated on several occasions...why doesn't Plattsburgh have a Women's Lacrosse team?

I can now say they don't, but they will.

Big announcement coming out of Plattsburgh State earlier today. The Cardinals will be adding Women's Lacrosse as a Varsity sport in 2018-19. The first game will be played in the spring of 2019.

We have a new AD this year and maybe that had something to do with it. He came from St. Lawrence University and they have a strong Lacrosse program. I think his sons also played in high school. It's possible the former AD was also pushing for it, but there may have been a problem with finances or the administration. At any rate the ladies will finally get to join the SUNYAC and now the league will have the full 10 teams since Plattsburgh was the only member of the SUNYAC conference that didn't field a team.

One of the local schools, Plattsburgh High School started a boys lacrosse program this year as well and hopefully the rest of the area will get on board. Many of the NY high schools to the west and south of our region have boys and girls high school teams, but no one here in the Champlain Valley has fielded a team until this year. The Plattsburgh High team is actually comprised of students from several other high schools in the area to have an appropriate number of players to field a team. Glad to see the Cardinals finally get on board.

Here's a link to the press conference announcement:   http://gocardinalsports.com/news/2017/4/11/general-plattsburgh-state-to-add-womens-lacrosse-as-18th-varsity-sport.aspx?path=wlax   

That's great news magicman.  The SUNYAC offers some good programs in 2015 National Champion Cortland, along with Fredonia and Brockport who have populated the Top 20 in recent years.  There is plenty of high school talent to recruit from on the eastern side of the Champlain Valley while the local NY schools begin to take up the sport and develop their own.  Do you know if the plan is to play at the club level next year in preparation for the 2019 varsity season?  Welcome aboard.     

I don't know if they will play at a club level  next year or not Vandy. I'll know more later on. They plan to hire the coach in June I believe.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: middhoops on April 15, 2017, 07:06:19 pm
Trinity hosts Middlebury women's lax and loses a heartbreaker in double OT, 10-9.
Feels a lot like last year when the Bantams beat Midd in Vermont in the regular season.
As a partisan, I hope it doesn't play out the same way.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 16, 2017, 10:16:39 am
Midhoops....covering for your cuz?  Is he still in "fantasy baseball".
In any case, the women Lax Panthers took down the bantams. 
The Amherst men's took down no. 2 Tufts in a battle of big mascots :).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 22, 2017, 03:54:48 pm
Kinda quiet here as the Lax season comes to a close. 
The Wooly Bullies of Amherst won over the Ephs today at home and away.  The WLax team won on Pratt while the MLax team won in Willytown. 
Both teams have the momentum going into the playoffs.  It appears that the Nescac Titles are somewhat open this year, imho.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 22, 2017, 09:40:38 pm
Kinda quiet here as the Lax season comes to a close. 
The Wooly Bullies of Amherst won over the Ephs today at home and away.  The WLax team won on Pratt while the MLax team won in Willytown. 
Both teams have the momentum going into the playoffs.  It appears that the Nescac Titles are somewhat open this year, imho.

amh63, I couldn't agree more.  I've been lax in posting here this season.  (I won't lie, pun intended. ;D)  I have been following the action, however.  I don't believe it will be between Trinity and Middlebury this time around.  My money is on Colby and Hamilton.  Both programs have been flying under the radar.  Both should feel they have something to prove.  Hamilton, who beat the Bantams today in Hartford, has won the DIII national championship, albeit while representing the Liberty League in 2008.  They followed that by playing in the Final Four in 2009 and losing the championship game in 2010.  They have not matched that level of success since joining the NESCAC.  Colby has been near the top of the conference since the NESCAC became a playing conference.  From 2006-2013 they averaged a 13-4 record.  Two seasons back, an off year by their standards, they had six losses, all but one to a team ranked in the Top 20.  Five were by a single goal and the other was by two.  In spite of this, they have never advanced as far as the NCAA Final Four.  The team I watched beat my Panthers today could change that.  I should add that Wesleyan and Bowdoin are fully capable of winning their quarterfinal round games. 

It's a down year for Middlebury men's lacrosse, allowing me to put my full support behind the Wooley Bullies.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: middhoops on April 23, 2017, 10:14:33 am
A very bold statement Vandy. 
I defer to you in all things womens lacrosse.
Knocking off Trinity and Midd when it matters would certainly indicate a changing of the guard.  The playoffs will be more interesting than they've been in a while.
Hamilton and Colby you say?  Let the playoffs begin!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 24, 2017, 05:58:03 pm
Some interesting football/ sport info in today's WSJ..on the front page no less.
Has to do with the BUZZ over a Vermont HS Mascot.  Seems the town of Southern Burlington VT....an upscale town of 18,000 people and home of Ben and Jerry HQ is fighting over the local HS Mascot...called the Rebels.  The Board of Supervisors wants the Mascot changed in today's PC atmosphere.  Yes, in the 60's the school had a Southern type flag etc., but no longer in recent decades. 
Of course in the battle of mascots, the story of the Amherst College Mascot came up...caught my attention :).  In any case....the story closed with a 17 year old student was quoted that the Board must have more important things to do.......give that student a spot in Amherst's class of 2022!
Oh, lots of interesting history of Vermont.  Did you know that VT did not enter the US until 1794?
In general the people were Rebels in many ways and Gen. George Washington did not desire to argue with Vermonters.  Agree they are "strange" people living in the Green Mountains :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: middhoops on April 25, 2017, 03:50:47 pm
A guy who resides in D.C. says strange people live in Vermont?  Ok......

The story from S. Burlington got pretty strange.  A student at the school sent a series of death threats via social media and shut the schools down for a few days before being caught.
Ok, that kid may be strange.
You got me there.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 26, 2017, 05:10:44 pm
OK...Middhoops....maybe " strange " is to broad a label.  Maybe "unique" would be a better term. Cannot complain about the brew or the ice cream vendors from VT.  Now politicians like B. sanders and H. Dean are another matter :).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 29, 2017, 03:39:07 pm
The Hungry Panthers took it to the Wooly Bullies , lean and mean today on the Lax fields.  Middlebury beat the higher seed Amherst men at Pratt, while the lady lax team lost to the Middlebury up in the Green Mountains....both quarter final games.  The men's team May advance into the post season, but not the ladies this season.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 29, 2017, 04:21:21 pm
The Hungry Panthers took it to the Wooly Bullies , lean and mean today on the Lax fields.  Middlebury beat the higher seed Amherst men at Pratt, while the lady lax team lost to the Middlebury up in the Green Mountains....both quarter final games.  The men's team May advance into the post season, but not the ladies this season.

amh63.......I'm as shocked by the Panther men's victory as I am at how easily the Amherst women could have pulled off a similar upset.  This team bore no resemblance to the 13-3 easy out Middlebury faced on April 1.  Despite all home teams winning today there was real parity in the conference this season.   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Gray Fox on May 03, 2017, 05:44:33 pm
From SCIAC

  http://www.thesciac.org/sports/wlax/2016-17/files/WLAX_PST_2017
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 06, 2017, 01:29:07 am
From SCIAC

  http://www.thesciac.org/sports/wlax/2016-17/files/WLAX_PST_2017

I noticed C-M-S on three NESCAC schedules early this season.  2-1 against Amherst and Williams with #18 Tufts defeating them 16-8.  It's good to see at least one SCIAC program aspire to something better than a possible regional round victory and then be an easy out.  Mount Union's success in their first four seasons ought to have shown the perennial western powers that playing competitively at the next level was very doable.  Denison noticed when that new Ohio team become equally as good as the best of the NCAC before the program's inaugural class had graduated.  Cortland St., Brockport and Fredonia out of the SUNYAC, and Rensselaer, Springfield and Stevenson make up the out of conference schedule.  They were 4-2 against that slate and they also beat Mount Union 15-7.  Colorado College, a western program that once played in the Final Four, has an excellent team.  Against #6 Colby they lost 21-14.  They lost 23-14 to #20 Bowdoin.  They went 3-1 against other eastern opposition.  They beat probable CCIW tournament rep Augustana and demolished Concordia-Wis. who is the strongest candidate to play from the MWLC.  C-M-S beat Colorado College 15-11. 

There is nothing more predictable than which teams will make the Top 20 each season.  The infusion of new blood is long overdue.  It's good to see that some programs are intent on making it happen.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 06, 2017, 05:21:11 pm
It was a number of years in the making but Plattsburgh State has finally beaten Cortland in Men's Lacrosse. The Cardinals lost a game to the Red Dragons a week ago 12-9 after leading for most of the first half. Today they never trailed as they were up 2-1 after the first period and 4-3 at the half. They scored 2 goals in the 3rd period while holding Cortland scoreless and won the final period by a 4-3 margin to win going away by a 10-6 final score. It was the first SUNYAC Conference Championship in Men's Lax for Plattsburgh. Would be nice if the Cardinals could carry their good fortune into the NCAA's and win a tournament game but I'm happy with the Conference Title if that's all we get this year.

Sitting with AD Mike Howard last Sunday at the Men's and Women's basketball banquet I lamented to him how we had the lead against Cortland the day before but couldn't close the deal. He said, "well maybe the fact that we could hang with them will prove to be in our favor, if we get to play them next Saturday for the championship." It was an insightful statement as we won the game that mattered. 8-) As I stated at the beginning...it was a long time coming. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 06, 2017, 05:37:54 pm
From SCIAC

  http://www.thesciac.org/sports/wlax/2016-17/files/WLAX_PST_2017
  They beat probable CCIW tournament rep Augustana and demolished Concordia-Wis. who is the strongest candidate to play from the MWLC.  C-M-S beat Colorado College 15-11. 



OK, so make a liar outta me.  Congratulations to Hamline for winning the MWLC championship game over Concordia-Wis. today 10-9, avenging a 15-8 loss during the regular season.  This is only the second season Hamline has played women's lacrosse at the varsity level.  Also congrats to IWU, winners today over Augustana for the CCIW crown.  It's the third varsity season for the Titans' program.

While the Middlebury women fell to Colby in today's NESCAC semifinal round game the #6 seed Panther men upset top ranked and previously undefeated Bates by a 14-13 score to advance to the championship game.  Tough day for favorites.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 06, 2017, 05:47:03 pm
It was a number of years in the making but Plattsburgh State has finally beaten Cortland in Men's Lacrosse. The Cardinals lost a game to the Red Dragons a week ago 12-9 after leading for most of the first half. Today they never trailed as they were up 2-1 after the first period and 4-3 at the half. They scored 2 goals in the 3rd period while holding Cortland scoreless and won the final period by a 4-3 margin to win going away by a 10-6 final score. It was the first SUNYAC Conference Championship in Men's Lax for Plattsburgh. Would be nice if the Cardinals could carry their good fortune into the NCAA's and win a tournament game but I'm happy with the Conference Title if that's all we get this year.

Sitting with AD Mike Howard last Sunday at the Men's and Women's basketball banquet I lamented to him how we had the lead against Cortland the day before but couldn't close the deal. He said, "well maybe the fact that we could hang with them will prove to be in our favor, if we get to play them next Saturday for the championship." It was an insightful statement as we won the game that mattered. 8-) As I stated at the beginning...it was a long time coming.

magicman.....congratulations on the the Cardinals' first Men's Lax SUNYAC Championship.  I have some lacrosse left to watch tomorrow hoping to see the Middlebury men's run continue.  This team was ranked preseason but never seemed to find their groove until just recently.  Wesleyan only beat them by a pair in the regular season game so who knows? 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 07, 2017, 09:44:24 am
Magicman...will add my congrats to that of Vandy for the TITLE.  Those Red Dragons of Cortland can be a firery bunch.
Vandy....watched the Colby take down of your Panthers.  Even saw a bit of the Bates' lost.  Lax is a team sport but individual players can make a big impact...like in basketball.  The Panther player dominated the faceoffs...giving Midd more chances,imo.
Never thought that Middlebury would dominate tennis :).  Now that is a sport that individual matchups make a difference.
All in all....will await this coming Fall and Winter when Amherst can show its skills :).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Gray Fox on May 07, 2017, 01:18:26 pm
From SCIAC

  http://www.thesciac.org/sports/wlax/2016-17/files/WLAX_PST_2017

I noticed C-M-S on three NESCAC schedules early this season.  2-1 against Amherst and Williams with #18 Tufts defeating them 16-8.  It's good to see at least one SCIAC program aspire to something better than a possible regional round victory and then be an easy out.  Mount Union's success in their first four seasons ought to have shown the perennial western powers that playing competitively at the next level was very doable.  Denison noticed when that new Ohio team become equally as good as the best of the NCAC before the program's inaugural class had graduated.  Cortland St., Brockport and Fredonia out of the SUNYAC, and Rensselaer, Springfield and Stevenson make up the out of conference schedule.  They were 4-2 against that slate and they also beat Mount Union 15-7.  Colorado College, a western program that once played in the Final Four, has an excellent team.  Against #6 Colby they lost 21-14.  They lost 23-14 to #20 Bowdoin.  They went 3-1 against other eastern opposition.  They beat probable CCIW tournament rep Augustana and demolished Concordia-Wis. who is the strongest candidate to play from the MWLC.  C-M-S beat Colorado College 15-11. 

There is nothing more predictable than which teams will make the Top 20 each season.  The infusion of new blood is long overdue.  It's good to see that some programs are intent on making it happen.
Lacrosse has not been a traditional sport in Southern California.
I'm sure it is spreading at the high school level.  In the meantime it is a good recruiting tool.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: magicman on May 30, 2017, 05:33:40 am
The Salisbury men complete back to back National Championships by downing RIT 15-7. Impressive win for the Sea Gulls who trailed 1-0 before kicking their offense into high gear. Up 6-4 at the half, they used a dominant 3rd quarter where they outscored the Tigers 6-2 to double their opponents score and coast to the victory.
 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on June 27, 2017, 12:13:41 am
Congratulations to ex Middlebury assistant coach Alice Lee on being selected to replace Williams' retiring HC Christine Mason.  Lee will be replaced at Middlebury by Katie Ritter, MC '15 and two-time All-American selection.

ephsports.williams.edu/sports/wlax/2016-17/releases/20170523h46hxb

athletics.middlebury.edu/sports/wlax/2016-17/releases/20170616grfo23
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on June 27, 2017, 03:07:56 pm
Vandy74. ..thanks for the latested in the musical chairs of HC's in the Nescac.
Just want to add the new HC at Williams was an assistant at Amherst prior to going to Middlebury.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: ephoops on August 15, 2017, 03:29:38 pm
Inspired hire by Williams in tapping Alice Lee as the new HC of WLAX.

The Midd women loved working with Alice.  Great coach -- better person.

In three years she will have Williams back in the top half of the NESCAC.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on February 24, 2018, 02:00:16 pm
Anybody home?

NESCAC WLAX competition starts next week.  Bates has already notched a victory over Colorado College, a mere 8 days after their season started.  I was hoping that, with the demise of LaxPower, there might be some life on this board.  But it's like a morgue in here.

It should be an interesting season, as I expect the rules changes will play an outsized impact. 

Anyone?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on February 28, 2018, 03:53:28 pm
PolarCat....so this is where you wandered too ;).  I have noticed that Amherst has several games scheduled this weekend...Colby may be one though I forgot men or women.  Amherst WBB is still playing.  Mention that sport because one starting guard...Ms Fox was selected 1st team all conference.  Ms Fox, a Soph, is also a lacrosse player.  If she is as good in Lax as she is in WBB, watch out. 
Did check the men’s Lax roster....Amherst must have a zillion FY players.  Both assistants, one new, were star Lax players for Amherst...class of ‘16.  Does your son play Lax?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 04, 2018, 03:30:09 am
I'm first and foremost a basketball junkie.  I forgot the lacrosse season has begun.  Checking scores I see that PolarCat, amh63 and I are happy with the results on the women's side.  Amherst edged Colby 13-12, getting a win against one of the conference's perennial contenders.  The Middlebury men defeated Bates 11-10, also an important win and good start after a rare disappointing season.  Middlebury and Amherst meet at two tomorrow afternoon to decide who the NESCAC women's ice hockey champion should be. The Panthers are playing host. The women's lacrosse team was rude enough to schedule a game at Springfield that will start an hour earlier.  I'm not sure if I'll stay home and watch as much as I can of each on the computer, or settle for only watching the first half of the lax.   :-\  Road games on consecutive days, a tough way to start a season.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on March 04, 2018, 12:14:16 pm
Good, early season match up next Saturday between the Polar Bear and the Mammothettes.  Hard to judge much from yesterday's beat down of Conn College.  Despite playing the entire bench, the Polar Bears racked up 20-plus points for the first time since 2000.  Is Bowdoin that good?  Or is Connected struggling to adjust to their new coach?  Next week should provide some clarity.

The Tufts Hamilton game was also lopsided.  I expect we will see more of these with the new shot clock rule.  A coach can't print good sportsmanship by just passing the ball around, as that will result in a turnover this year.  I've criticized teams like Augustan for running up the score in years past.  But the new rules pretty much mandate that behavior in 2018.

Can you guys recruit someone else to this board?  We need a 4th for bridge.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 04, 2018, 04:12:46 pm
Bridge!  I used to major in brIdge and minor in physics, or was it poker....was it in college or grad school..first gradschool.  gosh, I cannot remember. :). Need to know what system you play and the stakes.  Do remember, my frat had long, long poker games with faculty joining in.  Also remember a student going to Harvard on weekends and returning home with mucho winnings.  Yes, a little off topic.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 04, 2018, 06:54:31 pm
It was a good win at Springfield for Middlebury today.  I assume the weather played a factor in the first half, although with no commentator, I can't be certain.  The score was 1-1 at the intermission.  Springfield had seemed to be in control and quickly went ahead 2-1 at 28:47 of the second half and pushed it to 3-1 at 22:47.  The score remained that way for the next ten minutes and then the Panther offense ignited.  Scoring their second goal with about twelve minutes remaining, Middlebury tallied five more unanswered over the next eight minutes.  A final Panther tally made the final score 7-3.  The visitors outshot their hosts by a 30-9 margin, 23-6 on goal.     

The Middlebury women's ice hockey team defeated Amherst 2-0, winning the NESCAC title and the AQ in the NCAA tournament.  The first period was mostly played on the visitors' end of the ice, but neither team scored.  A Middlebury goal in each of the remaining periods provided the winning margin.  This afternoon's action will likely be the final game played at Kenyon this season since the Panthers are ranked third in the region, behind Plattsburgh and Norwich.   

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Bombers798891 on March 05, 2018, 01:06:10 pm
#11 ranked IC women's lacrosse sends a major message by going on the road and taking out #14 Brockport 21-8. Great, great early season win
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: cmackowiakSGSN on March 07, 2018, 10:39:02 pm
While Salisbury men's lacrosse's offense has been a question mark this season, the Sea Gulls returned two veterans in middies Corey Gwin and Garrett Reynolds. Both players have sparked the offense at times when it's been stagnant. Here's an article I wrote for The Flyer and also Delmarvanow.com about Corey Gwin and his progression over his career.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/03/07/eastern-shore-grit-spurs-gwin-to-success/
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 08, 2018, 10:39:13 pm
While Salisbury men's lacrosse's offense has been a question mark this season, the Sea Gulls returned two veterans in middies Corey Gwin and Garrett Reynolds. Both players have sparked the offense at times when it's been stagnant. Here's an article I wrote for The Flyer and also Delmarvanow.com about Corey Gwin and his progression over his career.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/03/07/eastern-shore-grit-spurs-gwin-to-success/


cmackowiakSGSN

An interesting article, and welcome to the board.  Gwin and Reynolds seem to be more than holding their own in the young season.  I'm more a fan of the women's game as are the few regular posters here, although amh63 keeps us up to date on both the Lord and Lady Jeffs and magicman occasionally posts on the Plattsburgh State Cardinals.  Middlebury is coming off a disappointing season, although they were playing some fine lacrosse toward the end, upsetting then undefeated Bates in the NESCAC semifinals and losing 9-8 to Wesleyan in the championship game.  I see the Panthers have a spring break road trip in two weeks to face Ohio Wesleyan's good buddy Denison.   Anyway, it's good to have someone here who's more focused on the men's game.  We hope you'll stick around.

My sister-in-law retired from the Middlebury coaching ranks, a few years back, without ever finding an answer to the Lady Gulls.  The six losses include two by a pair of goals and three others by only one, including two 8-7 defeats in the 2007 championship game and the 2013 semifinals.  She had much better luck against Gettysburg going 7-2.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2018, 12:15:25 pm
While Salisbury men's lacrosse's offense has been a question mark this season, the Sea Gulls returned two veterans in middies Corey Gwin and Garrett Reynolds. Both players have sparked the offense at times when it's been stagnant. Here's an article I wrote for The Flyer and also Delmarvanow.com about Corey Gwin and his progression over his career.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/03/07/eastern-shore-grit-spurs-gwin-to-success/


cmackowiakSGSN

An interesting article, and welcome to the board.  Gwin and Reynolds seem to be more than holding their own in the young season.  I'm more a fan of the women's game as are the few regular posters here, although amh63 keeps us up to date on both the Lord and Lady Jeffs and magicman occasionally posts on the Plattsburgh State Cardinals.  Middlebury is coming off a disappointing season, although they were playing some fine lacrosse toward the end, upsetting then undefeated Bates in the NESCAC semifinals and losing 9-8 to Wesleyan in the championship game.  I see the Panthers have a spring break road trip in two weeks to face Ohio Wesleyan's good buddy Denison.   Anyway, it's good to have someone here who's more focused on the men's game.  We hope you'll stick around.

My sister-in-law retired from the Middlebury coaching ranks, a few years back, without ever finding an answer to the Lady Gulls.  The six losses include two by a pair of goals and three others by only one, including two 8-7 defeats in the 2007 championship game and the 2013 semifinals.  She had much better luck against Gettysburg going 7-2.

Well now we can put two-and-two together (for those wondering why I have popped up, I follow/cover lacrosse, too). I believe I called her last game of her career? I have been on the call for a few DIII women's lacrosse championship weekends in my career.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 09, 2018, 05:33:20 pm
While Salisbury men's lacrosse's offense has been a question mark this season, the Sea Gulls returned two veterans in middies Corey Gwin and Garrett Reynolds. Both players have sparked the offense at times when it's been stagnant. Here's an article I wrote for The Flyer and also Delmarvanow.com about Corey Gwin and his progression over his career.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/03/07/eastern-shore-grit-spurs-gwin-to-success/


cmackowiakSGSN

An interesting article, and welcome to the board.  Gwin and Reynolds seem to be more than holding their own in the young season.  I'm more a fan of the women's game as are the few regular posters here, although amh63 keeps us up to date on both the Lord and Lady Jeffs and magicman occasionally posts on the Plattsburgh State Cardinals.  Middlebury is coming off a disappointing season, although they were playing some fine lacrosse toward the end, upsetting then undefeated Bates in the NESCAC semifinals and losing 9-8 to Wesleyan in the championship game.  I see the Panthers have a spring break road trip in two weeks to face Ohio Wesleyan's good buddy Denison.   Anyway, it's good to have someone here who's more focused on the men's game.  We hope you'll stick around.

My sister-in-law retired from the Middlebury coaching ranks, a few years back, without ever finding an answer to the Lady Gulls.  The six losses include two by a pair of goals and three others by only one, including two 8-7 defeats in the 2007 championship game and the 2013 semifinals.  She had much better luck against Gettysburg going 7-2.

Well now we can put two-and-two together (for those wondering why I have popped up, I follow/cover lacrosse, too). I believe I called her last game of her career? I have been on the call for a few DIII women's lacrosse championship weekends in my career.

That you did Dave.  It was a 19-8 spanking at the hands of the Cortland State juggernaut.  It was a semifinal match up in which the Panthers held a 4-0 lead ten minutes into the game. :(    You also called Middlebury's championship winning game the following season, the first with Kate Livesay at the helm.  I wish you'd handle the championship weekend commentary every year.  I've heard no one do it better.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2018, 10:45:37 pm
Thank you, Vandy. I have tried to make it happen each year. Last year things got weird... I think they forgot or whatever... and anyway, I was asked to do color (eh)... but then another opportunity came up at the exact same time for the exact same day... guh.

I am working to be back on the call if I can this year. Thank you for the kind words about it.

I do remember that game, now. Yeah. That wasn't much of one, was it? That lead was insane. I remember thinking Midd was in terrific shape and then Cortland got off the bus.

The next year was incredible by Midd. The fact all four teams and the same semis returned... but the outcomes were completely different was unreal.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 13, 2018, 02:57:50 am
Both Middlebury squads walked away with victories against St. Lawrence this afternoon.  The women had the easier time of it after finally putting it together late in the first half.   Leading 5-1 at intermission, the Panthers played a crisp second half winning 15-3 and improving their record to 4-0.  They play host to conference rival 3-0 Wesleyan on Saturday.  I watched most of the game with Panther HC Kate Livesay's parents, who are high school classmates of mine, and was told that Amherst should be very good this season.  The 3-0 Lady Jeffs already own wins over always contending Colby, in Waterville, and what I expect is a resurgent Bowdoin team that beat up on UNE and Connecticut College by a combined score of 45-12.

The men survived an amazing comeback attempt, winning a game in which they had led 12-4 at 4:53 in the third period, by the score of 12-11.  St. Lawrence changed goalkeepers when Middlebury stretched the lead to eight, and scored seven unanswered.  They out-shot the Panthers 15-1 in the fourth quarter.  Whew! :P     
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on March 16, 2018, 10:43:04 am
Gotta love the NESCAC.  Hamilton beat defending National Champions Colby, but got their butts whipped by Tufts, William Smith, SUNY Geneseo and Bowdoin.  Colby lost close games to Amherst and Hamilton, then embarrassed William Smith.  Meanwhile Bowdoin was thrashed by Amherst (the game wasn't as close as the score might suggest) but cruised past Conn, UNE, RIT and Hamilton.  And Trinity lost a 3OT game to York last night.

Midd, Amherst, Tufts and Wes are all still undefeated, but that will change come Saturday.  Another wild NESCAC season ahead!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 18, 2018, 04:20:02 pm
Amherst’s men’s team was playing at Stevenson Un. in the Baltimore area.  Beat Rochester and lost to top ranked RIT...their first lost.  Seems the men’s LJs are a good team with a starting FY goalie.
The Lady Jeff’s are playing well too. Now that the WBB team won its third National Title and 66 straight game, I can spend my idle time focusing on lacrosse....maybe....March Madness is underway and I am in the middle of getting my eyes fixed so I can see without glasses and drive at night.  People have accused me of being “ blind” while watching sports :).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on March 25, 2018, 09:44:39 am
Back again, one eye done another eye in a couple of weeks.  Did follow some lacrosse games in the Northeast...cold weather.  Amherst teams seem to be rolling.  Did not see Hannah Fox, the Soph point guard... WBB all-American...get into a lacrosse game yet.  If she improves on the field like she did on the hardwood floor, Amherst may finish very high in the conference this season.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: ephoops on March 28, 2018, 05:10:54 pm
Tough game for the Midd women down at TCNJ.

Definitely some questionable calls by the refs, especially all the 3-second calls that resulted in free position shots for TCNJ.  The game turned half way through the second half when, with the score 5-4, TCNJ scored two goals within 90 seconds on free position shots after Midd was whistled for 3-seconds defensive violations.  The refs probably called 6 or 7 defensive 3-second violations on Midd -- I believe Midd was called once for such a violation in their first six games!  Definitely some home cooking to benefit TCNJ.  Two of the refs for last night's game also were the refs in last year's controversial NCAA tournament Elite 8 game at TCNJ where the referees called an overtly lopsided game in favor of TCNJ when they beat Midd to advance to the Final Four.

I give Kate Livesay credit though -- while most NESCAC teams are content to travel to Florida and blow out two inferior opponents, KP takes her women on the road into the "Lions Den" to play TCNJ.  A game like last night will serve this team well later in the season during the 'CAC and NCAA tournaments (Hopefully Midd will not be forced to travel to TCNJ to play another Elite 8 game this year.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: phil on March 30, 2018, 07:11:47 pm
Definitely some questionable calls by the refs, especially all the 3-second calls that resulted in free position shots for TCNJ.  The game turned half way through the second half when, with the score 5-4, TCNJ scored two goals within 90 seconds on free position shots after Midd was whistled for 3-seconds defensive violations.  The refs probably called 6 or 7 defensive 3-second violations on Midd -- I believe Midd was called once for such a violation in their first six games!  Definitely some home cooking to benefit TCNJ.  Two of the refs for last night's game also were the refs in last year's controversial NCAA tournament Elite 8 game at TCNJ where the referees called an overtly lopsided game in favor of TCNJ when they beat Midd to advance to the Final Four.

Only 1 official did both the 2017 NCAA game and the game a few days ago – Janice McGrath – and she has over a decade experience in officiating Division 1 games including 2018 games like #11 Northwestern vs #20 Duke; #12 Virginia Tech vs #13 North Carolina; #7 Syracuse vs Notre Dame; #17 Colorado vs #11 Northwestern; #13 North Carolina vs #20 Duke; etc., etc...

The other two officials also have extensive D1 experience. I highly doubt they fail to grasp the concept of the 3-second defensive violation – nor do I think that when they get the odd D3 game they get together and decide to give preferential treatment to TCNJ.

...and whether you realize it or not, the same referees have done other Middlebury games outside NJ over the years. I have it on good authority that these particular officials aren't housed on the TCNJ campus only to be trotted out for games played by the home side.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 31, 2018, 12:04:16 pm
I've seen McGrath and a number of officials who do D1 games... at D3 games. Officiating being the cause or blame for a game... is lame and childish, in my opinion. Easy scapegoat for fans.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 31, 2018, 06:53:49 pm
I've seen McGrath and a number of officials who do D1 games... at D3 games. Officiating being the cause or blame for a game... is lame and childish, in my opinion. Easy scapegoat for fans.

TCNJ and Middlebury have played each other numerous times and have a healthy, longstanding rivalry.  The Panthers, in fact, hold a 3-1 edge in title games.  In each case, the officials did nothing other than their job.  Last season it was Middlebury winning in regular season play.  This year, the Lions prevailed.  TCNJ won on Tuesday by a 10-6 margin.  'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on March 31, 2018, 07:24:22 pm
The Lady Panthers outlasted Amherst this afternoon, winning by a score of 11-9.  It would be surprising if the two don't meet again at some point in the postseason.  It's good to see The Purple and The White back among the serious Nescac contenders.   Amherst FY Claire Dunbar scored 5 times and assisted twice in the hard fought losing effort.  If she doesn't have some All-America recognition in her future, I don't know who does. 

On the men's side it was Amherst totally dominating the fourth quarter for an 18-11 win over the visiting Panthers, upping their record to 8-1 on the season and remaining undefeated in conference play.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: cmackowiakSGSN on April 02, 2018, 08:19:40 am
Led by hungry senior Sea Gulls, Salisbury University WLAX is on an undefeated run that included a historic moment for their leader
https://t.co/5d10AuaaAo
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 03, 2018, 04:59:38 pm
Led by hungry senior Sea Gulls, Salisbury University WLAX is on an undefeated run that included a historic moment for their leader
https://t.co/5d10AuaaAo

Congratulations to Jim Nestor on winning his 300th game as HC of the Sea Gulls.  Since 2004 his teams have faced Middlebury seven times, losing only the first meeting by a score of 7-5.  In the Panthers' 16-2 2007 season, both losses were by a single goal at the hands of the Gulls.  Only the semifinal game in 2012 was won by more than 2 tallies.  The following year they ended Middlebury's season with a 8-7 semifinal victory.  Perhaps the rivalry can be renewed some time late in May, with a different outcome, of course. ;)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: cmackowiakSGSN on April 03, 2018, 06:29:33 pm
#11 Salisbury MLAX is perfect at home but still looking for their first road win of the whole season. I recap their past two-game home stand and look ahead to their matchups at #17 CNU & vs. #5 Cabrini this week.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/04/03/su-mlax-excelling-in-home-confines-of-sea-gull-stadium/
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: jknezek on April 04, 2018, 01:43:25 pm
I wonder with Lax Power giving up on anyone new joining their forums if we can capture that community on these boards? I don't post much about lax because while I always enjoyed watching, I never played the game, but it would be nice to see some chatter on these boards from a pretty fervent DIII fanbase.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 04, 2018, 09:47:11 pm
I wonder with Lax Power giving up on anyone new joining their forums if we can capture that community on these boards? I don't post much about lax because while I always enjoyed watching, I never played the game, but it would be nice to see some chatter on these boards from a pretty fervent DIII fanbase.

I'd love to see a reason to start lax boards here officially... AND start d3lax.com (don't bother trying to register, folks, I've already claimed it among others)...

But need manpower to make it work...
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 05, 2018, 04:18:16 pm
Back again...watched a few minutes of lax after eye surgery on line.
Amherst men lost to no.4 Cardinals in Middletown 12 to 11.  Tough lost in an away game in a back and forth contest.  Williams up next.
Meanwhile at home, the women lax team beat the Cardinals in a game that was played in very windy conditions that impacted both teams...passing and turnovers.  Both teams are nationally ranked now with Amherst the higher ranked team presently.
Hannah Fox, the pg for the WBB team got into the game and picked up an assist and a point.  Getting adjusted to ‘outdoor’ conditions :).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 08, 2018, 09:57:32 am
Watched the men’s and women’s lax games online.  Men’s game was on the lower field since the football field was being used by a track and field event.  Men’s game was interesting in that the game was tied 2-2 early in the first period.  As expected the game was dominated by the LJs.
The women’s game was up in Willytown and the ladies from Amherst won as expected.  Two interesting things to mention.  Leading EPH scorer had a goal removed due to an illegal stick.  The other was a mention by the announcers that some one at Amherst or the Nescac told them Not to mention the former...unofficial mascot.  The present one is the official mascot.  Seems the present administration is still sensitive about the uproar the mascot change made...by the old folks like me :).
Oh yes, my grammar is bad in my previous post here.  I did not have eye surgery on line :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 10, 2018, 01:26:20 am
Things are really heating up on the women's side of the Nescac as we head into the final three league games of the season.  I missed the Colby Middlebury upset on Saturday.  Late fantasy baseball draft.  I looks like it was a good one to miss.  Nerve wracking.  Always playing catch up.  That pretty much makes the Panthers' matchup at home against Trinity a must win game if Middlebury hopes to host the conference championship weekend.  Tufts is still unbeaten in conference play and they host the Panthers' the following Saturday.  Tufts has beaten Trinity so the Middlebury game is equally as important to the Bantams.  Amherst, losers only to Middlebury, takes on Tufts with Trinity on the schedule two weeks later.   Anything can happen and it probably will.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 14, 2018, 03:38:53 pm
Heard your request on the football board.  Yes, now I can drive on dark roads in the night...like the Taconic pkway ;D
Just saw the ending of the Amherst vs Tufts game at Tufts.  Amherst won the game in a slugfest of sorts with Amherst doing most of the damage ;).  Tufts is no longer undefeated!   
Now with respect to the ladies at home...Amherst won a close one 12-11 over Tufts.  Did not see that one.  Out shopping for new sunglasses and other chores.  It has been Summer weather and the lady of the house wants the yard freshen up, etc., etc.   Hannah Fox, the PG of the WBB team is settling in on the lax rotation.  Had two goals and three assist in the win over Tufts.  The Amherst Women Lax Team seems to have a lot of young players contributing Big! 
Nescac Tourny should be very competitive...assuming Amherst has clinched a spot now.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 14, 2018, 08:08:23 pm
amh 63.....That's good to hear on the eye surgery.  I haven't driven the Parkway in five or six years now.  A scenic drive and wise to stay within the speed limit unless you feel the state of NY needs some of your money, is how I remember it. ;D
 
But on to lacrosse...the Nescac women lived up to their billing.  Amherst did indeed hand Tufts it's first defeat, as did the Amherst men.  Either they started the game early because of the weather or I had it confused with the MLAX start but I missed the MC-Trinity game.  The Panthers defeated the Bantams 14-8 on the strength of a 10-2 second half margin.  I did see the final ten minutes of Bowdoin's similar win over Wesleyan.  The Polar Bears have been playing some very good lacrosse lately.  I watched the final seven minutes of that one as they outscored the Cardinals 10-4 in the second half, winning 13-11, and staying in the hunt to play host in the quarterfinals.    Should Middlebury take down the Jumbos on Saturday, a win they'll need to host the championship weekend, the Polar Bears will control their own destiny the following Wednesday, assuming they take care of business against Williams four days earlier.  They will.  Since 5-3 Trinity ends their regular season against Amherst, Bowdoin's #4 seed ticket is punched regardless, if I've considered all the angles, which is nothing to bank on these days. ::)  Should Middlebury fall to Tufts then Amherst is in the driver's seat to host the championship round. 

On the men's side Middlebury remains undefeated in the month of April defeating Trinity 13-12.  While they jockey for position among the lower four tournament seeds, it was Amherst, as you reported, who won THE game of the day.  I did catch most of the nail-biting second half.  A 15-4 margin in the first half became a slim 16-14 lead with about four minutes remaining, but the LJs found their offense again going on to win it 20-16 and creating a three horse race to the finish along with also once beaten Wesleyan.  I wonder if Nescac lacrosse fans realize how spoiled they are, men's and women's.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 18, 2018, 01:35:16 pm
While Salisbury men's lacrosse's offense has been a question mark this season, the Sea Gulls returned two veterans in middies Corey Gwin and Garrett Reynolds. Both players have sparked the offense at times when it's been stagnant. Here's an article I wrote for The Flyer and also Delmarvanow.com about Corey Gwin and his progression over his career.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/03/07/eastern-shore-grit-spurs-gwin-to-success/

cmackowiakSGSN

An interesting article, and welcome to the board.  Gwin and Reynolds seem to be more than holding their own in the young season.  I'm more a fan of the women's game as are the few regular posters here, although amh63 keeps us up to date on both the Lord and Lady Jeffs and magicman occasionally posts on the Plattsburgh State Cardinals.  Middlebury is coming off a disappointing season, although they were playing some fine lacrosse toward the end, upsetting then undefeated Bates in the NESCAC semifinals and losing 9-8 to Wesleyan in the championship game.  I see the Panthers have a spring break road trip in two weeks to face Ohio Wesleyan's good buddy Denison.   Anyway, it's good to have someone here who's more focused on the men's game.  We hope you'll stick around.

My sister-in-law retired from the Middlebury coaching ranks, a few years back, without ever finding an answer to the Lady Gulls.  The six losses include two by a pair of goals and three others by only one, including two 8-7 defeats in the 2007 championship game and the 2013 semifinals.  She had much better luck against Gettysburg going 7-2.

Well now we can put two-and-two together (for those wondering why I have popped up, I follow/cover lacrosse, too). I believe I called her last game of her career? I have been on the call for a few DIII women's lacrosse championship weekends in my career.

That you did Dave.  It was a 19-8 spanking at the hands of the Cortland State juggernaut.  It was a semifinal match up in which the Panthers held a 4-0 lead ten minutes into the game. :(    You also called Middlebury's championship winning game the following season, the first with Kate Livesay at the helm.  I wish you'd handle the championship weekend commentary every year.  I've heard no one do it better.

Vandy... I've got good news for you ... your wish has been heard.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 18, 2018, 03:17:10 pm
Vandy74...you were kind in NOT pointing out the correct one goal difference in the Amherst win over Tufts...women lax.
In the recovery room after my second eye operation, was chatting with the nurse.  One of her two sons attends Salisbury Un.  Near Ocean City, Md....Hence the “beach bird” mascot. Topic quickly turned to Lax when I mentioned that I went to an Amherst vs. Sea Gull WLax game there.  Nurse was well aware of the Sea Gulls Fine lax programs.  A small world story!...in my mind :)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on April 18, 2018, 06:37:14 pm
While Salisbury men's lacrosse's offense has been a question mark this season, the Sea Gulls returned two veterans in middies Corey Gwin and Garrett Reynolds. Both players have sparked the offense at times when it's been stagnant. Here's an article I wrote for The Flyer and also Delmarvanow.com about Corey Gwin and his progression over his career.

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/03/07/eastern-shore-grit-spurs-gwin-to-success/

cmackowiakSGSN

An interesting article, and welcome to the board.  Gwin and Reynolds seem to be more than holding their own in the young season.  I'm more a fan of the women's game as are the few regular posters here, although amh63 keeps us up to date on both the Lord and Lady Jeffs and magicman occasionally posts on the Plattsburgh State Cardinals.  Middlebury is coming off a disappointing season, although they were playing some fine lacrosse toward the end, upsetting then undefeated Bates in the NESCAC semifinals and losing 9-8 to Wesleyan in the championship game.  I see the Panthers have a spring break road trip in two weeks to face Ohio Wesleyan's good buddy Denison.   Anyway, it's good to have someone here who's more focused on the men's game.  We hope you'll stick around.

My sister-in-law retired from the Middlebury coaching ranks, a few years back, without ever finding an answer to the Lady Gulls.  The six losses include two by a pair of goals and three others by only one, including two 8-7 defeats in the 2007 championship game and the 2013 semifinals.  She had much better luck against Gettysburg going 7-2.

Well now we can put two-and-two together (for those wondering why I have popped up, I follow/cover lacrosse, too). I believe I called her last game of her career? I have been on the call for a few DIII women's lacrosse championship weekends in my career.

That you did Dave.  It was a 19-8 spanking at the hands of the Cortland State juggernaut.  It was a semifinal match up in which the Panthers held a 4-0 lead ten minutes into the game. :(    You also called Middlebury's championship winning game the following season, the first with Kate Livesay at the helm.  I wish you'd handle the championship weekend commentary every year.  I've heard no one do it better.

Vandy... I've got good news for you ... your wish has been heard.

Dave,

People don't listen to me very often but it's good when they choose the right time to do it.  That is very good news.  Here's hoping that a 'CAC team is among the elite group you'll be covering.

Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: cmackowiakSGSN on April 18, 2018, 09:49:32 pm
Salisbury University men's lacrosse senior defenseman selected with the 58th overall pick in the seventh round of the 2018 MLL Draft

https://thesuflyer.com/2018/04/18/mlax-salisburys-tucker-selected-in-2018-mll-draft/
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 18, 2018, 10:42:30 pm

Vandy... I've got good news for you ... your wish has been heard.

Dave,

People don't listen to me very often but it's good when they choose the right time to do it.  That is very good news.  Here's hoping that a 'CAC team is among the elite group you'll be covering.

I was actually given a choice (that's never happened before)... I loved both choices and it would have been a blast at either, but I wanted to return to WLAX. It also fits far better into what has, THANKFULLY(!), become a rather busy schedule in May and beyond (you don't know how much I needed it to be busy).

I look forward to being on the call. I am hoping my color commentator is who I think it is - we go WAY back. If not, we will still do our very best to the viewers while enjoying the beauty of the Roanoke Valley once again.

I suspect a NESCAC school will be there (I can't go 'CAC; I played college soccer in the actual CAC LOL), but I do agree... we can only hope.

In the meantime, I will focus on honing my call the rest of the season (been calling McDaniel WLAX once again this year).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on April 23, 2018, 12:05:37 pm
Amherst’s Lax teams keep on rolling along.  Watched the second half of Mddlebury’s big win over Tufts in Medford. Looks like Amherst and Midd are going to meet again in the Nescac Tourny...WLax...as Vandy predicted.  Seems The Panthers wait for the second half to blow their opponents away.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on April 29, 2018, 08:01:05 am
Big wins for Bowdoin and Trinity in the first round of the NESCAC WLAX tournament yesterday, with the Angry Chickens knocking off the Jumbos in Medford.  Middlebury and Amherst also prevailed, setting up a great weekend of lax, craft-beer-sipping and cow-tipping in Vermont next week.  Hopefully all four teams will get NCAA bids.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: ephoops on April 30, 2018, 10:56:40 am
Big wins for Bowdoin and Trinity in the first round of the NESCAC WLAX tournament yesterday, with the Angry Chickens knocking off the Jumbos in Medford.  Middlebury and Amherst also prevailed, setting up a great weekend of lax, craft-beer-sipping and cow-tipping in Vermont next week.  Hopefully all four teams will get NCAA bids.

Agree on all points.  I expect three great games at Midd this weekend. 

My expectation is that Amherst rolls Bowdoin.  The Midd v Trinity game should be a barnburner.  I expect a lot of back and forth action with Midd prevailing in the end.

An Amherst v Midd final could be a epic battle for the NESCAC championship.

I expect all four teams to get a bid.  The winner of the NESCACs will be in a position to be one of four hosts for the second weekend of the tournament.  (I assume that the Committee is looking at TCNJ, Gettysburg, Salisbury and the NESCAC champ as the four hosts for the 2nd weekend.)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 30, 2018, 11:58:21 am
At least the women's committee tends to spread the wealth and good teams around... men love to put together horrific tournaments, but I digress.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: cmackowiakSGSN on May 07, 2018, 08:49:39 am
Salisbury University men's & women's lacrosse are both headed to the 2018 NCAA DIII Tournament after winning their respective conference titles. I give info on their placements in the brackets below:
https://thesuflyer.com/2018/05/06/su-mlax-discovers-path-to-third-straight-national-title/
https://thesuflyer.com/2018/05/06/su-wlaxs-path-to-fourth-program-title/
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 07, 2018, 11:41:55 am
Followed the lax games...both MLax and WLax..overthe weekend a bit.  My qualifier is due to tech problems with my new toy...big IPad Pro.  Had some software issues vice hardware. May require another trip to the Apple store for a new toy...under warranty soon.  Cannot get the video feels.
Anyway, as other followers on this board are aware, the Nescac got six...yes six teams into the women’s ncaa Tourny.  Most all will host games in the 2nd round.  There are three men’s teams going into the post season.  Amherst will have both men and women teams hosting games. 
Congrats to Polarcat’s WLax team great play in the CAC title game. 
A slight regret is the Title final 4 in WLax in Salem, Va. is on the wrong weekend for me.  Seems I will be up at Amherst for my last formal reunion...with all my kids and their families.
For non Nescac posters, the Nescac teams in the postseason can be found on Nescac.org and on the Amherst.edu web sites.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 15, 2018, 07:42:16 am
Kind of quiet on this board!  Guess it is due in part to graduation plans, etc.  Still, there are 4 Nescac teams playing this Sat.wrt WLax.  Have not decided to attend the Amherst game in Gettysburg or watch the Amherst vs Wesleyan match on-line. 
There is a problem for a number of teams that comes up this time of year.  Seniors travel time.  Will they attend graduation or play if their team wins.  I discussed this situation with some fathers many years ago.  Their sons were key players in baseball.  Both players went to graduation.
Some schools have early graduation for seniors who play on teams, like Tufts in the past and Gettysburg presently.  Some schools have graduation later and some early.  Midd has a later graduation date and is hosting a sectional.  Amherst has several seniors that are key players.  Seniors must attend some events on Fri.  Graduation is on Sunday morning.  Still, there is no time to join their teammates if Amherst wins on Sat. 
Would be interesting to hear from conflicted parent PolarCat on this matter.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Gray Fox on May 15, 2018, 06:00:16 pm
Back again, one eye done another eye in a couple of weeks.  Did follow some lacrosse games in the Northeast...cold weather.  Amherst teams seem to be rolling.  Did not see Hannah Fox, the Soph point guard... WBB all-American...get into a lacrosse game yet.  If she improves on the field like she did on the hardwood floor, Amherst may finish very high in the conference this season.

+k for the cataract surgery.  Halo effect.  I recently had mine done.  What a revelation. 
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 15, 2018, 06:07:17 pm
Followed the lax games...both MLax and WLax..overthe weekend a bit.  My qualifier is due to tech problems with my new toy...big IPad Pro.  Had some software issues vice hardware. May require another trip to the Apple store for a new toy...under warranty soon.  Cannot get the video feels.
Anyway, as other followers on this board are aware, the Nescac got six...yes six teams into the women’s ncaa Tourny.  Most all will host games in the 2nd round.  There are three men’s teams going into the post season.  Amherst will have both men and women teams hosting games. 
Congrats to Polarcat’s WLax team great play in the CAC title game. 
A slight regret is the Title final 4 in WLax in Salem, Va. is on the wrong weekend for me.  Seems I will be up at Amherst for my last formal reunion...with all my kids and their families.
For non Nescac posters, the Nescac teams in the postseason can be found on Nescac.org and on the Amherst.edu web sites.

amh63,

Do some conference schools still require attendance at graduation ceremonies over post season play?  This sounds very much like the administrative attitude twenty years ago when permission to play in NCAA tournaments had finally been granted by the powers that be.  Not sure if the rule is still enforced but I could be wrong.  I have a problem similar to your own, btw  I'll be missing this coming weekend's action as I plan on attending my niece's graduation from Amherst on Sunday.

It has been too quiet on this board lately and I'm as guilty as anyone for it.   It's always made me a bit uncomfortable that this seems to be only a NESCAC forum.  Each season some posters with rooting interests elsewhere show up early in the season but seldom stay.  It would have been good for cmackowiackSGSN to have kept posting about Salisbury lacrosse especially since the Seagulls are a force in both the man's and women's game.  As deep as the NESCAC is in quality teams, particularly on the women's side, it's been Salisbury, Gettysburg and Franklin & Marshall earning the top prize most often over the past decade.  Hamilton's 2008 victory and perhaps even their 2010 runner-up status was achieved while they still represented the Liberty League. 

Posters rooting for "west" region programs would be more than welcome.  The sport is growing and improving rapidly there.  What Mount Union's inaugural class accomplished in their four seasons makes the biblical David look like a slacker by comparison, as I so noted in a post two seasons back.  Denison, no doubt stunned to learn that neither they nor any of their NCAC brethren were the best team in Ohio responded by taking on Gettysburg and Dickinson this season as well as the top teams in the CCIW, SCIAC, OAC and always strong independent Colorado College.  They face Salisbury on Saturday.  Illinois Wesleyan owned the CCIW this season where Augustana, albeit rebuilding this year, was impressive a few seasons back when they traveled west to defeat SCIAC champion Redlands on a Wednesday and faced then defending champ Trinity in Hartford, CT three days later.  IWU is still alive and faces Middlebury on Saturday  This season's SCIAC champion Claremont-Mudd-Scripps opened their schedule against DI UC-Davis.  Colorado College, with a Final Four appearance on it's resume avenged a regular season loss to C-M-S on Sunday and faces Franklin & Marshall in the next round.  Wesleyan is still alive as this season's Cinderella and Bowdoin, after a slow start in conference competition, has looked like a team on a mission since early April and takes on TCNJ this Saturday.

There's a lot of great women's lacrosse still left to be played.





     
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 16, 2018, 09:14:06 am
Vandy74...good to hear from you.  Wow, your niece is graduating!  How time flies...thought in my mind she was a junior.  If her classmate and good friend from Naples Florida? is also crossing the stage on Sunday, I have a favor to ask of you.  In case that friend’s grandfather..Bob Landon’62..is introduced, please say hi to him for me :).  He was a frat brother and a roommate.  We sometimes double dated.  Very successful Harvard educated estate lawyer, I recall.  Going over the Holyoke notch/gap in his two seat convertible car with dates was a challenge...like “stuffing a telephone booth” ;D
There maybe a chance that you could meet the author of “Foxtrot”...one of your favorite authors. Amherst is preparing the Quad for outdoor graduation today.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: amh63 on May 16, 2018, 11:50:16 am
Back again.  Got ok to attend Amherst vs Wesleyan game in Gettysburg on Sat.  Rain is predicted...ugh. Was at a game in Gettysburg in 2015 where I met a bunch of Vandy’s relationships :) during a rain delayed event.  Left early as the game delay dragged on.  Tornadoes touched down where My sons presently live near Patterson NY last night.  My oldest son was caught in traffic for several hours near the Newburgh Bridge in NY.  Hope no posters here suffered damages, etc.
Checked on Polarcats’ graduation schedule.  His twins graduations are on different days!.  Bates and Bowdoin must have met his conditions ;D.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: MUC57 on May 16, 2018, 02:51:11 pm

Vandy74

Saw your earlier comment about this being mostly a NESCAC board.
Those teams are always among the top in the country. Those of us in "the west" know what region of the country dominates every year. Our respective schools don't have the academic reputation yours do. And we haven't acquired the lacrosse tradition you have. We're still working on it.
And, if you recall, I posted on here a few years back. I wanted to learn more about this great sport, which I hadn't even heard of growing up. You were very nice and helpful to me. Then here is "PolarCat". He enjoyed attacking the Mount Union program and me. He even mentioned me in a diragatory manner just a few weeks back. Kind of takes the fun out of posting. Don't know what his problem is, but, as you probably noticed, I quit posting on this board.
Mount Union women had a good year. 17-0 up to the NCAA tournament. But then, the dreaded matchup with an "east team". Mary Washington showed them why they were ranked no. 5 in the nation. Wow. Damn, they're good.
But, I digress. That's why I don't post here anymore.
Enjoy your summer. Best to all your teams, in any sport. ☠🇺🇸
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 16, 2018, 03:54:11 pm
Back again.  Got ok to attend Amherst vs Wesleyan game in Gettysburg on Sat.  Rain is predicted...ugh. Was at a game in Gettysburg in 2015 where I met a bunch of Vandy’s relationships :) during a rain delayed event.  Left early as the game delay dragged on.  Tornadoes touched down where My sons presently live near Patterson NY last night.  My oldest son was caught in traffic for several hours near the Newburgh Bridge in NY.  Hope no posters here suffered damages, etc.
Checked on Polarcats’ graduation schedule.  His twins graduations are on different days!.  Bates and Bowdoin must have met his conditions ;D.

I called the men's Gettysburg game when both events were delayed... first by a fake-out and second by an actual event.

Don't believe I will make the games this weekend. I thought about being there on Saturday (after my son's lax came about 45 minutes away), but not sure with the weather it is worth the hassle. I can't be there Sunday as I will be at Navy as the PA announcer for the D1 men's lacrosse quarterfinals.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 17, 2018, 12:07:25 am
Vandy74...good to hear from you.  Wow, your niece is graduating!  How time flies...thought in my mind she was a junior.  If her classmate and good friend from Naples Florida? is also crossing the stage on Sunday, I have a favor to ask of you.  In case that friend’s grandfather..Bob Landon’62..is introduced, please say hi to him for me :).  He was a frat brother and a roommate.  We sometimes double dated.  Very successful Harvard educated estate lawyer, I recall.  Going over the Holyoke notch/gap in his two seat convertible car with dates was a challenge...like “stuffing a telephone booth” ;D
There maybe a chance that you could meet the author of “Foxtrot”...one of your favorite authors. Amherst is preparing the Quad for outdoor graduation today.

amh63,

Yes it's hard to believe my niece is about to graduate college.  It seems like yesterday she was graduating high school.  I hope it doesn't rain and send the ceremony indoors.  Panther basketball fans seldom feel comfortable in LeFrak.  I'll certainly give Bob Landon your regards if I find him.  The two of you and your dates shooting the gap in his two seat convertible?  Where there's a will...... ;D 8-)  I believe Bill Amends' son is a class behind but I'll certainly check to make sure.

That's a tough bracket Amherst is in.  Good luck taking down the Cardinals.  I'm glad you'll be in Gettysburg to root on the LJs.  Brother Dick remembers meeting you there.   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 17, 2018, 07:28:13 pm




Don't believe I will make the games this weekend. I thought about being there on Saturday (after my son's lax came about 45 minutes away), but not sure with the weather it is worth the hassle. I can't be there Sunday as I will be at Navy as the PA announcer for the D1 men's lacrosse quarterfinals.


Just so long as your reservations are set for Salem the following weekend Dave.  Where does your son play?
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: MUC57 on May 18, 2018, 09:57:25 am

amh63

Have been chatting with Vandy74, one of the good guys. Says you are also a good guy and knowledgable in women's lacrosse. I plan on getting on this board in the future. Look forward to exchanging thoughts with you. Mount Union isn't up to your level yet, but we're working on it. Have a good summer. Chat with you later.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 18, 2018, 02:22:03 pm




Don't believe I will make the games this weekend. I thought about being there on Saturday (after my son's lax came about 45 minutes away), but not sure with the weather it is worth the hassle. I can't be there Sunday as I will be at Navy as the PA announcer for the D1 men's lacrosse quarterfinals.


Just so long as your reservations are set for Salem the following weekend Dave.  Where does your son play?

My reservations are set - got them taken care of weeks ago. :)

My son plays in a U8 (kind of) rec league of sorts. Sadly, they like to make things as much "travel" as they can even at his age, so he barely plays peers in his area. The "tournament" is scheduled for Carroll Community College in Westminster, Md. (south of the town) - about 50 minutes from Gettysburg. However, with the weather this week - i would be SHOCKED if they are playing. Wife told me they are looking into other field options (turf), but I am not holding my breathe. I would love to mention McDaniel, Stevenson, and others to them ... but I am also beyond frustrated with this group. We have plans (along with other friends) to move to a different program next year.

That said... my son scored 4 of his teams 6 goals in the game last week. He also blocked one of his teammate's shots (while tied 6-6) while trying to make clear to his teammate he was open for a pass. Shot went right off his helmet as he ended up standing right in front of the goal on the crease line. SMH I still haven't looked to see if I have a picture of it. LOL
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: PolarCat on May 22, 2018, 07:00:49 pm

Then here is "PolarCat". He enjoyed attacking the Mount Union program and me. He even mentioned me in a diragatory (sic) manner just a few weeks back. Kind of takes the fun out of posting. Don't know what his problem is, but, as you probably noticed, I quit posting on this board.

Gosh, I hope you filed a Hurt Feelings Report over that one.  Since the post in question was on another board, I thought I should set the record straight.  You had made a really derogatory comment about the NESCAC on the NESCAC Football board, and I called you out on it.  Remember what you said?


Good to see you speaking up on the comments from the NESCAC crowd. They sure talk a great story for someone that won't play outside their conference. Mount Union has had some tough games with East Region teams. Standout QB's, good discipline and good coaching. NESCAC fans live in a world of make believe. Play some games against the LL and the E8. Then we can all see how great you are.

I'm fairly certain I'll hear from some NESCAC people, but so be it! On the other hand, maybe I won't. Their arms may be sore from patting themselves on their back.

By the way, I don't think anyone has really missed the fact that you and your hurt feelings have stopped posting here.  I suspect Vandy74 had other folks in mind.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 23, 2018, 01:09:19 pm
This group may know this, but I love this little nugget:

Wesleyan will take on Salisbury at Foxborough, where Bill Belichick will probably be on hand. Belichick graduated from Wesleyan where he was captain of the lacrosse team. He loves the sport and has been a pretty big supporter of Johns Hopkins. Nothing against Salisbury, but Wesleyan may have a little extra support at what should be considered a home game. :)

(For the record, my father is alum of Wesleyan as well.)
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: ephoops on May 23, 2018, 01:26:57 pm
This group may know this, but I love this little nugget:

Wesleyan will take on Salisbury at Foxborough, where Bill Belichick will probably be on hand. Belichick graduated from Wesleyan where he was captain of the lacrosse team. He loves the sport and has been a pretty big supporter of Johns Hopkins. Nothing against Salisbury, but Wesleyan may have a little extra support at what should be considered a home game. :)

(For the record, my father is alum of Wesleyan as well.)

Good luck to Wes vs Salisbury.

Wesleyan's take down of RIT in the semi-finals was an epic game. 

Harry Stanton has to be the best player in the history of Wes men's lacrosse (Belichick included!!).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: MUC57 on May 27, 2018, 09:01:33 am

Have really enjoyed following the women's tournament, even though Mount Union got knocked out by a superior Mary Washington team. Down to Middlebury and Gettysburg. I'll watch it this afternoon. What a great sport this is. As it grows in popularity, maybe some newer teams can challenge the Eastern teams. But, for now, NESCAC teams and certain other teams are dominate. Still fun to watch.
Since I don't have a favorite in today's championship game, I'll wish good luck to both schools! They certainly deserve to be there. Go Panthers and Go Bullets!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 27, 2018, 03:11:37 pm
Congratulations to the Wesleyan Cardinals, 8-6 winners over defending national champion Salisbury.  I didn't see coach Belichick in the stands but I'm sure he's a happy camper right about now.

It seems the weather isn't cooperating on the women's side of things.  Go NESCAC!  Go Panthers!  May the best team win.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 27, 2018, 03:36:36 pm
Weather is not cooperating... we are now delayed until 8pm ET and HOPING we can get it in. It is, as you can imagine, really screwing with plans.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: MUC57 on May 27, 2018, 06:16:26 pm

Women' championship game time now at Monday 10:00 AM.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 27, 2018, 08:25:59 pm
Pictures and film of Ellicott City, MD are heartrending.   
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: MUC57 on May 28, 2018, 11:02:56 am

Halftime

Gettysburg 6
Middlebury 5

Great game between two standout teams.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Vandy74 on May 28, 2018, 01:09:44 pm
It wasn't the result I'd hoped for, but it was a great game.  Final score: 11-9, but it really wasn't that close for much of the second half.  Gettysburg's defense stymied the Panther offense throughout game and there was no stopping Liza Barr who owned five of the eleven Bullet tallies.  There should be a rule against the Bullets' GK Bailey Pilder.  Are we absolutely certain she's not a senior? 

I believe today's win pushes winning HC Carol Cantele past Missy Foote on the wlax career victories list.  Second place in DIII and third place overall?  Regardless, congratulations to the longtime Bullet mentor who obviously has a few more winning seasons in mind.

Winning their second consecutive championship the Bullets become the fourth team in the history of DIII wlax to have done so.  The others?  The rest of this season's final four.

Thanks to Dave McHugh and Monika Moore for their excellent commentary.  Their knowledge of the game and a sense of when to explain as well as simply report the action on the field makes it so much easier to appreciate and understand.  And thanks for sticking around an extra day. ;)



Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: MUC57 on May 28, 2018, 02:46:38 pm
Vandy74

Enjoyed reading your post on the game. I'm still learning this game so every bit of info helps. I also, of course, know nothing about coaches records, what teams have back- to-back championships, etc.
I know you were rooting for Middlebury but they played a hell of a game. Even my limited knowledge of the game allows me to see that. Only. 1 goal difference in each half.
It was fun to watch two quality teams battle it out. And the semi-finals had 4 teams ranked 1, 2, 3, and 4! Doesn't get any better than that.
Everyone have a safe summer and remember what today is!
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Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 29, 2018, 02:24:29 pm
It wasn't the result I'd hoped for, but it was a great game.  Final score: 11-9, but it really wasn't that close for much of the second half.  Gettysburg's defense stymied the Panther offense throughout game and there was no stopping Liza Barr who owned five of the eleven Bullet tallies.  There should be a rule against the Bullets' GK Bailey Pilder.  Are we absolutely certain she's not a senior?

Barr had a career high five goals ... in the championship game ... as a senior ... her final game. Talk about a hell of a way to go out (didn't have the career note in front of me, sadly).

Sorry, Pilder is around for another year. Rules are rules and none have come out to limit her. LOL

I believe today's win pushes winning HC Carol Cantele past Missy Foote on the wlax career victories list.  Second place in DIII and third place overall?  Regardless, congratulations to the longtime Bullet mentor who obviously has a few more winning seasons in mind.

It does push her to third all-time behind Pfulger (514), who Midd beat to get to the title game, and Navy's Cindy Timchal (509). 423 win's ain't bad.. but nearly 100 behind the two leaders is insane.

Winning their second consecutive championship the Bullets become the fourth team in the history of DIII wlax to have done so.  The others?  The rest of this season's final four.

The fire power and history at the final four this weekend was insane. Didn't feel we had time to get into it all, though we could have if we were on air for the entirety of the delays on Sunday. ROFL)

Thanks to Dave McHugh and Monika Moore for their excellent commentary.  Their knowledge of the game and a sense of when to explain as well as simply report the action on the field makes it so much easier to appreciate and understand.  And thanks for sticking around an extra day. ;)

Kind words to be sure. Thank you. Monika knows her stuff and I love leaving aspects of the coverage in her hands. We have worked together for a number of years, though certainly less frequently in the last five years, and she always has done her homework and is prepared for nearly anything. Glad our balance worked. You never know sometimes. I think I have a better sense than Monika that people are still learning the game or tuning in with no knowledge (not a knock on Monika, it is always on my mind), so I try and find the right time to get things in. That said, the games were so well played that it also allowed us to focus on the games than the nuisances most of the time.

Glad you enjoyed. And while it wasn't ideal, we were both happy to stick around another day - just wish the traffic on I-81 heading north could have been more cooperative. (It was brutal to say the least.) I didn't really want to handoff that final game with those two teams (no matter who was in the game it was going to be epic). I am just glad I could make arrangements that allowed me to stay easily (and those who hire us being so accommodating and helpful to make it work out).
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 29, 2018, 02:46:00 pm
Pictures and film of Ellicott City, MD are heartrending.

It is horrible. Twice in two years ... and this time even worse. There is a lot going on in that location that has caused this flooding (some of it natural, most of it now human error)... but this area has also gotten a lot of bad flooding in the last two weeks in general. Frederick experienced 6+ inches of rain in two hours last week ... did unreal damage.
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: MUC57 on May 29, 2018, 02:47:40 pm
Dave McHugh

My two cents worth. I really enjoyed watching AND listening. Although I have been following Mount Union for 5 years, I'm still learning many of the facets of this great sport. Your broadcast was certainly helpful to me in better understanding some of the nuances of the game. Listening to you could probably bring more fans to lacrosse. Between you and my NCAA rule book, I'll be able to understand more of what's happening.
Keep up the good work. Maybe some day, you'll get to do a Purple Raider game. Thanks!
Title: Re: Lacrosse
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on