D3boards.com

D3soccer.com => Men's soccer => Topic started by: LaPaz on September 11, 2011, 05:54:52 pm

Title: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 11, 2011, 05:54:52 pm
another year begining way to late for Nescac but I digresss.
I didnt get to any games this wknd but will catch a few next wknd including a HUGE Mid at Amh Sunday game.  From what i have read seems like the most exciting game was the Wes 3-2ot win over Bowdoin. I heard Wes field was unplayable so they had to play on a real short field on campus. Bowdoin looks like the strongest team on paper this year except for a glaring weakness in goal. I noticed Eddie Jones didnt play, is he injured?  Big loss in net for Bowdoin, but other than that they return almost everyone plus an addition b/c Hunter Clark was out all year last year. They will be tough. Good win for Wes.  Williams seemingly had an easy road win at lowly Bates. I hear they have a very good freshman class.  Trinty and new(old) memeber Hamilton played to a 1-1 draw, I'm willing to guess hamilton will not match last years 9-3-3 record having to play 10 Nescac games now.  Conn with a good road win over Colby 2-0, could be a surprise team even with the loss of Prophet.  Who will score for them aganist tougher competition? Finally Tufts gets a great opening draw with Midd and with new freshman Santos plus all the returning guys this new coach for Tufts will have them competing at their best in maybe 5-7 years. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 14, 2011, 11:16:56 am
Today the Nescac schedule takes shape.  Because of Hamilton's inclusion to the league you will start to see mid-week league games and tons of sat/sun back to backs. Basically in 50 days teams will play 14 games, on agvg of a little more than a game every 3 days if u include Nescac playoffs. Should be interesting. So Hamilton will travel to Williams and after a 2 1/2 hr ride will face off aganist one of the toughest Nescac Opponents.  I am predicting a 4-0 Williams win..Good bounce back wins for Bowdoin and Midd. A bit of a disappointing draw for Wes aganist an improved Springfield and a disappointing loss for Trinity aganist Woc.State. Why as a coach you would schedule a mid week night road game on turf aganist a physical hungrary team like Worc.STate is beyond me. I mean they should have gotten a result but you have to make your schedule work for you to
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 15, 2011, 12:52:34 pm
9/17 Predictions: Havent seen many teams yet but will give it a try and after the weekend will have seen more teams.
Williams v Trinity 2-0
Well my prediction almost ran true it was Williams 3-0 not 4-0, but I didn’t realize they would have to play on the turf yesterday and possibly Saturday.  That takes some getting used to. I believe the 3 weakest teams in NESCAC are prob Bates, Hamilton and Trinity and maybe Colby. Since Williams opens with the first 3 they should be 3-0 after the wknd. However, Trinity does have weapons including Mayernick, Buckley and a cpl promising frosh. Their D-line is always decent maybe a tad bit slow but decent but I have always said there real weak link is in goal and maybe in not having a target striker to play with Mayernick. 
Midd v Colby  1-0
Havent seen either team yet but this seems like a usual score that holds true.  Colby long trip, early game time and prob not much scoring punch.
Bowdoin v WNEC 2-1
I love this game on the schedule. WNEC coming off a complete trashing of Keene St.  As always they will be extremely fit and running and subbing and running.  It will be curious to see the end result because if Bowdoin takes WNEC lightly they will have a rude awakening. However, I think Bowdoin has more talent and athleticism and will outlast the golden bears.
Amherst v Bates 2-0
This matchup has been heavily favored to Amherst since 2005. Bates had there share of great games against them, one win I remember at Middlesex School maybe 6-7 years ago. Since then all Amherst and really no contest. Last year I was all over Bates for laying down against Amherst in a mid-week home game against them losing 5-0. I was at that game and couldn’t believe the lack of effort and purpose from Bates. They do seem to be a bit stronger this year and always solid defensively and I like their Midfielder Murphy, he can strike a good ball. Amherst coming off a disappointing OT win against Bridgewater St and are just more talented than Bates in every area.

Hamilton v Conn 0-1
Tough week for Hamilton. Lots of travel and not a great team. Keeper is weakness, there backs are ok middies ok and strikers are dreadful. They are going to have to get some secondary scoring from somewhere this season. I like CONN in this game and like them as an improved side this year. Well coached and the coach is starting to get his recruits in there and build a team that he desires. 
Tufts v Wes  2-2
Wild game of weekend. Tufts is much improved and can be dangerous offensively more than in past years. Wes is a solid team, lots of returning starters and Hazelett always seems to come up with big goals and of course MY #1 keeper in Nescac Purdy.  Always liked him since he was a frosh and took them to NCAA sweet 16.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on September 16, 2011, 05:45:33 pm
Prediction Game

Good that after this weekend well get to have seen every team play at least one NESCAC game.  I like adding Hamilton to the league, although its too bad it means we dont get to see every team in action each weekend.

Midd v Colby (1-0)

Still hard to get a real sense of the teams so early, but in a game between a team that traditionally struggles and one that usually is strong (especially in a game at Midd), i think Midd will come away.  The fact that they might be looking ahead to Amherst the following day will make this one close.

Amherst v Bates (3-0)
There doesnt seem to be too much to say one this one, Amherst usually handles Bates easily, even when they don't play well.

Trinity v Williams (1-1)
I'm not sure what to make of Williams yet.  I dont remember User form years past, but he seems to have come out of the gates firing.  There two wins so far have both been big but against weaker competition so I'm not confident they really represent how good Williams will be this year.  Trinity can be tough at home.  Ill say they play well enough to earn a draw.

Hamilton v Conn (2-1)
I think Hamilton will get its first NESCAC win in its first home conference game.  I like Conn's new coach, but where will the goals come from without Prophet?  In this game I think someone will put one in, but it wont be enough.

Tufts v Wesleyan (2-0)
I think Tufts can really surprise this year (maybe even host a NESCAC playoff game?)  Wesleyan isn't going to be bad either, as beating Bowdoin showed (is Jones hurt?) but I like Tufts, who like Conn seems to finally have a coach who'll make some noise in the league.

9/18
Trinity v Bates (2-0)
I have no idea, just not sure Bates has a road win in them, even against a team that probably is middle of the pack at best.

Amherst v Midd (2-1 in OT)
This is certainly the marquee game this weekend matching two of the top three NESCAC teams from recent years (not ready to put Bowdoin up there with these two and Williams yet).  I really like Amherst a lot this year, they didn't lose too much from and were really lucky to bring Tsatsimpe back for another year (one of the most underratedly talented players in the league).   They also have Jae Heo back who was a stud as freshman when Amherst won the league and went to the final four.  Him and Noon up top could be quite dynamic.  I noticed Mooney hasn't played at all, yet they are 2-0 (seems like they outplayed Bridgewater in the previous game but struggled to get one past their keeper).  Midd's tie at Tufts I dont believe, as I have let on, is as bad of a result as years past, and they handled Norwich easily.  Is Lyvers the boy who once played for Colby? I remember him being one of their better players.  Macnee, Redmond and Pitney are dangerous.  Should be a good one.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on September 18, 2011, 10:09:36 am
Certainly some interesting scores.  Colby (v Midd) and Conn (v Hamilton) both getting road wins surprised me a little.  From the first game I think it might reflect more that  Midd might be in for some trouble this year rather then Colby about to shake things up.  We'll have to see how they respond on the road today against Amherst.  Conn might be for real this year.  I know their two conference wins are against Hamilton and Colby, but if you want be a top team you've got to take care of lesser teams even away from home.  Conn still hasn't let up a goal.  The mid-week game vs Wesleyan will be a good barometer of where each really is at.

From what I read it seems Wesleyan and Tufts weren't playing the prettiest game, but a good win for Wesleyan nonetheless against a team I expected to make at least a little noise.  Not surprised Williams and Trinity drew, tough place to play.  Williams lost a lot from last year.  They never drop off too much, but could be in for some ups and downs this year.

Truthfully the score that surprised me most was Bates getting two goals on Amherst.  Don't think of Bates as particularly potent, although one did come on a PK.  Two of Amherst's four captain didn't play at all, not sure if they're hurt.

11 teams means more games, so right back at it today. I like that.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 19, 2011, 10:19:42 am
           What an incredible weekend of soccer, concluding with a performance by Amherst as dominant as some of those Williams’ Jamaican teams.  I was so impressed by Amherst weapons all day. They are by far the most athletic team in Nescac and also have the most depth in the league.  #19 Heo is the difference maker from last year to this year.  He is the complete player up front and is so composed in front of the net(4 goals).  The third goal in the Amherst trashing of Midd by Heo was a beauty.  The most athletic player by far is #15 Tebs, he looks like a man amongst boys out there.  I wasn’t as impressed with #24 Caslin or #27 Fikke but he has the long throw.  They are most dangerous up front with #9 Noon and #19 Heo with #4 Sucre behind them winning absolutely every ball in the air.  He takes the spot of Rothkopf for sure.  I liked the wing back #6 Aoyama as he is a skilled playe, not as impressed with other wing back #20 Lerner, but he is ok. #12 Kaplan played well but on set pieces he can be seen by everyone except the ref for holding and basically hugging players and not letting them get to where they need to go. I mean some good players barely saw any action #8 Gooden #11 Rooks #7 McNamara played a bit.  They have enough weapons to withstand 2-3 injuries throughout a season, and I didn’t even see Mooney.

  Midd wasn’t all that bad on the day and took it to them 2nd half a bit and had a couple real good scoring chances but couldn’t finish. Mcanee was injured? #5 Pitney had an extremely good game for Midd creating some opportunities for himself and others. I thought the transfer from Seton Hall #3 was skilled and served a good left footed ball.  The rest were just ok #4 Redmond did not have a good day and neither did #7 Brazier or the transfer from Colby #11 Lyvers. I thought the frosh #8 played ok. #2 Colluci is a decent wingback but Heo turned him in knots before his 3rd goal. You can see Midd is struggling to finish their chances so far this year. I wouldn’t write them off yet (never do) but they have to get on a roll and a visit to Bowdoin next weekend wont help that cause.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jim Matson on September 19, 2011, 04:48:37 pm
Heo is a special player and Amherst has a team this season. Maybe better than 2008?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: truenorth on September 19, 2011, 05:44:41 pm
The start of this NESCAC season seems typical--whacky and highly competitive.  There will be some great games this year, as well as some unexpected results.

Amherst sounds like they've started out on quite a roll, helped by the return of Heo.  That said, I'll predict right now that no team is likely to get through the NESCAC schedule 9-0-0.

I'm the parent of a Bowdoin senior, and it's bittersweet for me to realize I'm nearing the end of a 4 year collegiate soccer journey that's been a lot of fun.  I know that a number of coaches and players are not entirely happy with the schedule this year.  With the addition of Hamilton to the schedule (welcomed by everyone), the NESCAC college presidents naturally decided not to extend the season on the front end by a week. 

The result is that there are several weekends of tough back-to-back games with long travel in between.  Bowdoin, for example, hosts Middlebury on Saturday and then boards a bus for Williamstown to play Williams on Sunday.  Not ideal circumstances under which to play two of your biggest league rivals.

All the teams have some version of this at some point in the season.  It puts a lot of strain on tired and injured bodies.

In contrast, my older son played D1 for an Ivy team and, other than an opening season tournament, they typically played all of their games on Wednesdays and Saturdays, allowing the body at least some chance of rest and recovery between games.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: dacac on September 19, 2011, 08:44:27 pm
I know it's early, but how about some predictions for the the final nescac standings.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on September 19, 2011, 10:36:40 pm
I agree with TrueNorth that the NESCAC will probably have some refining to do as far as make the 11 team schedule work.  I believe the NESCAC is built on the ideal that academics come first, but is having games Sat/Sun really better for a student than Wed/Sat?  Also it's one thing for a Mass team to play back to back games away to Maine teams to reduce travel, but a lot of these weekend a team is home early on Saturday and then away on Sunday.  I think Amherst is better than Midd, but could Midd having to play home/away in back-to-back days contributed to their sluggish first half?  On the whole though I'm don't think it matters too much, each team seems to have some tough weekend (Bowdoin and Wesleyan are the victims this weekend).

Heo definitely makes Amherst far more prolific than the last two years (a little off subject, but his action shot on the NESCAC site is tremendous).  Noon has been a good up top for Amherst the last two years, always seemingly in the right spot, but Heo's skill and imagination are rare for DIII.  On top of all that, as LaPaz said Thebe in the midfield is huge.  I think he is remarkably underrated and brings a lot to the table.  I remember him being listed as a senior last year, so fortune seems to be shining bright on Amherst for him and Jae Heo to be together for this year.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on September 21, 2011, 07:21:46 pm
Dan 's Mayernick two goals were too much for ECSU this afternoon as the Trinity Bantams defeated the Warriors 2-1 in Hartford CT.
This is the third straight loss for Eastern against Trinity.  :-[  Eastern scored 23 min into the first half on a penalty kick by Matt Esposito after he was pull down in the box.

Trinity really needs to find some one who is capable to operate a video camera.  Most of the game the camera was pointed away from where the ball was being played!!!!  It was soo bad I gave up watching at half time and went to live stats.  :'(
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 22, 2011, 10:16:57 am
Wasn’t there but sounds like from the report Wesleyan controlled the game vs Conn and is now 3-0 in Nescac.  Maybe I overrated Conn a bit and it might take them a little longer to build a solid program. The loss of Prophet is going to be to much by the end of the year as they will not be able to score goals against the top 5 of the league.

9/24 Predictions:

Midd at Bowdoin  1-1

I like Midd to bounce back from that drubbing by Amherst and at least get a draw in this game.  Bowdoin is very tough at home, but I am still not convinced of their goalkeeping. Midd finds a way to get a goal and some kind of result in this one. Bowdoin’s season could swing either way with this game and Williams up on Sunday. 2 wins and they could roll all season. Midd needs a result more than any team in league right now.

Williams at Wes   1-1

I have seen Wes twice this year and am impressed.  They have the same team as last year but the players are one year older now and they understand what they need to do to win games. #6 Hazelett and #8 Paresi come to mind. Purdy has 3 shutouts already this year. Williams is missing Romero and his goals. The kid User has 3 goals but he is not a goal scorer and they lack that finishing touch that Amherst has with Heo.  They seem solid in the back but I am unconvinced of there 3 CM’s when they play a 4-3-3. They give the ball away to much for my liking. #13 Angus Kennedy is improved but the other 2 need to step it up a little. Williams has been lucky the last few years at Wes to win but they may have revenge on their minds since Wes knocked them out of the Nescac’s last year.

Trinity at Conn    2-0

I hate this game prediction. Trinity is the most unpredictable team in Nescac.  They have the talent to contend for the top 4, but sometimes they do not get motivated against certain teams.  Whether that is the players or coaching or lack of focus, I have no idea.  A 1-1 tie with Williams and if not for a late goal almost a victory shows that Trinity can hang with the big boys. Mayernick is now coming into his own and starting to rack up goals. Solid defensively and in midfield but they need better goaltending.  They would have won the game at Willliams if not for a horrible keeper mistake, coming to get a ball proceeding to drop it and then Williams player knocks it in. He is a good keeper just makes some dumb mistakes occasionally that costs his teams points. Conn I think I made a mistake on and just is not ready to contend. Conn’s field is the worst in Nescac and can be a home advantage but they don’t have the firepower to keep up.

Amherst at Hamilton 4-1

I went into Amherst in great detail in my last post so I will skip that this time.  I do not think there will be a let down game here. Hamilton just does not have the weapons that Amherst has. 

Tufts at Colby  1-0

Colby coming off a huge win against Midd.  Still think Tufts has more talent and will sneak a late goal to win this.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on September 22, 2011, 09:30:34 pm
I thought Conn might have be a serious threat to finish in the top four with both Bowdoin and Midd seemingly struggling (granted it is still really early) but losing at home to Wesleyan in their first real test might indicate otherwise, especially if the game is as LaPaz noted.  Are Amherst, Wesleyan, and Williams going to be the class of the league this year?  Bowdoin clearly has played one league game so its hard to get a real gauge, but I hope so. Even though Amherst/Williams is obviously the best rivalry I always get the impression that the mutual respect between the two keeps those games civil, whereas with Wesleyan, for whatever reason, that doesn't exist making Wesleyan/Amherst and Wesleyan/Williams games a little more heated.  When the teams are good...all the better. 

9/24
Bowdoin v Midd (2-1)
I think both teams are going to come into this game desperate for a win.  Midd's desperation, with its terrible start, is clear.  For Bowdoin I think having to see themselves at the bottom of the standings (even though its meaningless since they've only played one game) will add some fire.  Really hard to sit around for two weeks with the taste of a NESCAC loss swishing around in your month.  I don't think Midd is as good.

Wesleyan v Williams (1-0)
These teams are probably pretty even, I'm giving a slight advantage to Wesleyan because they are home, on their small field, and have a better goalie.

Amherst v Hamilton (3-0)
Does this game feature the largest talent gap in the league?  Doesn't mean Hamilton can't win, I just don't think they will.

Don't really have anything to say about the other two games.  They could really go in any direction. 

9/25
Bowdoin v Williams (2-1)
I think this is the most interesting game of the weekend by far. This is a massive weekend for both the Polar Bears and Ephs. First off, each will have a played a tough game the day before and both will have to travel (Bowdoin a bit further) for this game.  Not sure if that sort of nullifies some of Williams' benefits of having this on at home.  Eddie Jones has been back for two games now but hasn't started in each.  TrueNorth probably knows more about his status then anyone else.  I know I said earlier I like when Williams is part of the top tier (as they pretty much always are) but i think they could take a serious hit this weekend.  Nick Powell is off to a fantastic start, albeit against some non-NESCAC competition, games in which players have historically been able to rack of the stats. They also appear to have two freshman who have been getting on the score sheet, to go along with the always stout defense anchored by Bishop.  I like Bowdoin a lot and think they will be back up near the top of standings after coming away with their second big victory of the weekend.



Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: truenorth on September 22, 2011, 10:00:53 pm
It's always fun, and of course highly speculative to predict NESCAC game results.  With the crowded 11 team NESCAC schedule this year (crammed into a ridiculously short period from Sep. 10 to Oct. 26) and many back-to-back weekend games, I believe surprise results will abound.

Just because Amherst and Wesleyan have won their first several games does not mean they will remain hot all season.  Likewise, just because Middlebury has struggled early (but have outshot their opponents) and Bowdoin dropped an OT decision to Wes, doesn't necessarily mean they'll struggle all season.  Both Midd and Bowdoin have a lot of experienced talent back from last year's NCAA Elite Eight teams and will have an impact before its all said and done.

Lapaz commented that Trinity has the talent to threaten for the top four.  That may be true, but I suspect when the dust has settled, we may find that last year's clear top four (Amherst, Bowdoin, Middlebury, Williams in alphabetical order) will be tough to displace, even by a spirited Wes side that is off to a great start.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on September 25, 2011, 12:10:03 pm
A week with some serious dramatics. From the reports, Wesleyan slid one in with just under two minutes left in the second OT to knock off Williams and Bowdoin tied it up with just seconds left in regulation.  Was anyone at either game?  I love to hear how those goals happened.

Hamilton looked to play Amherst better yesterday than they have been playing other teams.  Maybe that will translate into their first conference win against Wesleyan today.

I'm really impressed with both Amherst and Wesleyan (if Trinity can beat a quality team they might become part of the discussion).  They seem to be on the verge of distancing themselves a little from the pack.  It might be a little tougher for Amherst though. I was looking ahead at some of the schedules, in a span of 8 days Amherst is away to Williams, Trinity, Colby and Bowdoin.  I can't recall any stretch in that difficult.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 26, 2011, 09:49:14 am
Was at the Williams v Bowdoin game and thought for the most part Williams played with more energy and skill.  As I have said earlier Bowdoin’s goalkeeping will ruin their season this year.  They were definitely an extremely tired bunch and do not have the depth of Williams and Amherst. Williams had chances to score more goals but did not and Bowdoin also had a few clear chances but could not finish.  I give Eddie Jones credit, as I learned from a parent he has a torn ACL and is playing on it b/c it’s his senior season. He didn’t do much in the game however. Bowdoin was just gassed by the middle of the 2nd half and Williams used that to their advantage as #7 Morrisroe was given a solid thru ball up the middle of the field and calmly finished it.  I did see Williams backline was banged up as their captain #5 Ratajchuk and #2 Weinrib, who has the long throw, were not playing.  However, the CM’s that I was so critical of earlier played extremely well.  The other captain #8 Pugliese played well and two frosh #11 and #21 were skilled in the midfield.
All my Saturday predictions came true 4-1, except for a late Wes goal made my predicted TIE a win for Wes.  Good start for Wesleyan as they are playing well right now.  They still have away games at Amh and Midd and WNEC but other than that the rest of their schedule is weak. I do worry about them because they do not have great depth either, however they do sub a lot. Amherst is still the team to beat with Williams and Bowdoin right behind them.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 29, 2011, 10:54:36 am
Sat Prediction for 10/1

Midd vs Wes    0-2       Wes undefeated runs ends here. I believe they won up at Midd 2 years ago but caught them on a back to back Sun game.  The teams are fairly even, but I will give Midd the edge because of the home field and desperation to win their first Nescac game.  Also, Wes finally playing away from that high school JV field.  You would think Nescac AD’s or coaches would complain about that field as being unplayable and dangerous for players. With Macnee back they are a better threat to score goals and Pitney is a solid player in CM. Cahill an experienced keeper and Midd’s backline while not as good as it has been, is good enough to keep Wes off the board.  I like Wes starting 11, there backs are a bit slow and Purdy seems to be regressing a little  back to last year where he made some great saves but also some questionable decisions on crosses.  Still he is  my favorite Nescac keeper.  I just don’t feel Wes can win up there. Just a hunch.

Trinity vs Colby   2-0    Don’t look now but Trinity has gone 5 straight w/o a loss and seem to be picking up steam.  Good thing because they finish off the year with the toughest schedule of any team.  If there backline stays steady and goalkeeping remains ok, they have enough talent to certainly win this game at home but also get some results against the top 4.  Maynerick a legit force up front now and #10 El-Hachem and #6 Buckley turning into pretty solid CM’s.  #8 Updike and #26 Reilly are good athletes.Honestly after seeing Trinity a couple times this year if Trinity plays hard and focused for 90 minutes they are a little more talented than Wes. There best players are all seniors and are athletic. Have not seen Colby yet but can imagine like I said before solid defensively and offensively challenged.  That being said, all the praise I have heaped on Trinity they are very capable of putting up a stinker and Colby winning this match.

Conn vs Bowdoin  0-3  I feel Bowdoin is going to really bounce back in this game. They are extremely hungry for a nescac win and Conn stands in the way.  They were gassed by the time they got to Williamstown and really didn’t play with any energy against Williams.  I suspect they will come out guns a blazing against Conn.  Conn doesn’t have the talent to keep up and I am betting the ball is in the air more than on the ground in this one.  Probably will be a really ugly game to watch.

Bates vs Hamilton  1-0  Bates gets first conf win. This will be Hamilton’s first of two trips to Maine in the next 2 weeks. Welcome to NESCAC. Murphy bends a free kick to win this game late.

Amh  vs Tufts     2-0   I thought about this as a possible trap game with Williams looming for Amherst next week but just couldn’t get myself to ride Tufts on this one. Tufts vastly improved but just not quite there yet and Amherst plays very well at home.  Heo continues his rampant scoring pace with 2 more in this one
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jim Matson on September 29, 2011, 07:58:09 pm
The Amherst prediction is a solid one. The highlight reel on the Amherst win over Middlebury was impressive.

Wesleyan will defeat Middlebury...I think. The NESCAC loves to produce those 0-0 draws especially when you least expect it.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on September 30, 2011, 12:24:50 pm
I don't know if its bad or not, but the scheduling for this season is really odd (beyond the tough home/away weekends some teams have).  After this weekend Wesleyan will have played seven league games while Amherst and Bowdoin will have played just four.  It's fortunate for Wesleyan to have gotten so many intra-conference games while they are playing as well as they are.  Of they're five renaming games I think there is a good chance they only come away with 2 wins.  I think their perfect record will end this weekend in Middlebury (not sure if they will lose or draw, but I dont think they are going to win in Vermont).  I do think that they'll beat Colby on Sunday.

Of all the teams, Bowdoin has the most important weekend.  They must beat Conn College.  They've had the most difficult schedule thus far having only played Williams, Wesleyan, and Midd.  The backside of their schedule this is relatively easy, with Amherst (home) and Trinity (away) as the only games that should be tough.  Bowdoin has to turn it around at some point though, and if doesn't happen this weekend, it might not happen at all.

The other three games are not as interesting I dont think.  Amherst should beat Tufts at home and Trinity should do the same with Colby at home (even though neither could do it last year).  Bates and Hamilton each have probably their best, and maybe only chance, to get put up a league win.  No idea who will grab the opportunity, or if either will.

Sunday, I think Midd and Wesleyan win, while Trinity and Tufts draw.

Outside of the NESCAC, I expect Williams to get a little revenge on Babson for knocking them out of the NCAA last year.  They should also be able to handle MIT easily.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on October 02, 2011, 05:52:26 pm
The biggest story of the weekend has to be Bowdoin.  The reality might just be that they have fallen off a good deal from last year's final four squad.  Sure, not having Jones hurts them, but I dont think that is the whole story there.  I know LaPaz is saying their goalie is lackluster, and their goals against might be a reflection of that.

Midd gets four points out of the weekend, pretty good. I think Midd is going to rattle off a couple wins down the stretch.  Seem unlucky to have not beaten Weslyan, but that is what playing the Cardinals is like.  They get more points from games they dont belong in than anyone else.  Important for Midd to come back today and beat Conn College.

Just as Trinity seemed to be rolling, they go ahead and drop one to Tufts.  To me Conn College and Tufts are in the same boat.  Relatively new coaches who seem to have their teams trending upward, just not quite there yet.  Conn's win over Bowdoin isn't as impressive as I would have thought at the start of the season, given their struggles.

Meanwhile Amherst continues to roll along.  Another goal for Heo and Noon each this weekend.  10 goals in 4 leagues games is good, but I'm sure their coach is making it clear to them that they've got a lot more work to do.

Finally, Hamilton jumps up to 8th with their first ever NESCAC win.  I have no idea how Bates got two goals against Amherst when they managed 1 against Williams, Trinity, and Hamilton combined.


Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 03, 2011, 12:56:55 pm
NE Soccer-good pionts on Wesleyan, Conn and Tufts.  Bates got 2 goals aganist Amherst that 2nd week I believe off of a penalty kick and another off a restart. Trinity with a disappointing loss to Tufts but I noticed they had some injuries on their backline and upfront. No Binnie, Reilly, etc. Still should have come away with a draw. Williams with a demoralizing loss to Babson that will no doubt hurt there Pool C chances with losses to Wes and Babson.  It makes the Amherst game this weekend a MUST win for Williams, and that is to much pressure for a young team this early in season.  The commitee looks at 2 things obviously the final 3 regional rankings(not the coaches polls) and how many wins you got aganist NCAA tournament teams. You figure Wes and Babson should be in with Bowdoin out. So now Williams' 4 wins aganist Bates, Hamilton, Bowdoin and MIT do not look so strong. You could make the same argument for Amherst and their schedule but they are 7-0-0  and do not need to worry about it, for now.  Still to early to get this going and all stirred up but you can see the pressure these teams can put on themselves early if u drop a couple games.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 03, 2011, 08:56:23 pm
In a 7PM game at Amherst, Amherst 4-Lesly 0.  The Lord Jeffs scored 2 in the first half...last 15 min. and 2 in the 2nd half early.  Jeffs had a number of freshmen in the latter portions of the second half...putting a great deal of pressure and shots on Lesly, but no goals.  Most of Amherst's starters in the first half were kept out of the 2nd half.....resting for the Williams game at Williams on Sunday.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 06, 2011, 02:43:15 pm
A couple great games this weekend and a couple ho-hum games. Here’s what I think:

Williams v Amherst   0-2
It is tough to go against Williams at home but I just feel like Amherst will win this game.  Williams is talented but young.  They have had some injuries to the backline and have had some issues scoring goals.  They just do not have a dominant scoring threat like Amherst does in Heo and Noon.  Both teams will be plenty rested but I wonder if the frosh Burbank-Crump can defend Heo all game w/o any mistakes. One mistake and he can burn you.  Williams will have there chances to score but can they finish them?  If anything Amherst is a bit weak at wingback and Williams does have plenty of team speed. I believe Williams cannot lose this game and still hope to get an at-large, at the very least they need a draw. Won’t happen this year.

Bowdoin v Colby     2-0
Colby has scored 2 league goals in 5 games and haven’t even played Williams, Amherst  and Bowdoin yet. Does anyone even remember the last time Colby beat Bowdoin? I would like to see Bowdoin break out and show New England that they are ready to go on a late season tear. To get an at-large now, they will have to win out, which wouldn’t be as difficult as it sounds as 5 of last 6 games are at home.

Wesleyan v Bates     1-1
My upset of the week-end. Bates always plays Wes and Midd tough even getting late season wins against these teams in years past when they have had no right to.  Wes could be way over confident in this one and the Bates’ keeper will have to come up with some BIG saves.  Bates going to have to get a result soon or they will be on outside looking in for Nescac tournament, also I would imagine these teams want to avoid 8th place so as to avoid Amherst in first round.

Hamilton v Midd     0-2
Midd hasn’t lost in 5 games and hasn’t given up a goal in 4 games. Their defense andgoaltending is playing solid and they do have goal scoring threats in Pitney and a healthy Macnee. Nice win for Hamilton at Bates last week, but they do not have the talent to win this game.

Tufts v Conn      1-1
Looking forward to this game.  These two improved sides are right in the middle of the pack in Nescac.  They have had some predicatable and not so predictable results. Tufts has a little more flair offensively and Conn has some more structure defensively than in years past. The frosh Santos for Tufts has been a great story this year and quite possibly Nescac rookie of  the year.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on October 06, 2011, 07:56:46 pm
I dont understand why the Amherst Williams game is on Sunday instead of Saturday.  Neither is playing on Saturday, Williams hasn't played since last weekend and Amherst since Monday, and both play the following Tuesday.  Can anyone come up with a possible explanation?

Anyways, this game is clearly the top matchup of the week, just because it is Amherst/Williams.  There isn't much impressive about Williams season thus far, as LaPaz alluded to they aren't headed toward as Pool C bid as things are now.  They've raked up some goals against bad teams, but haven't found results against the better teams (Bowdoin may finish strong, but were certainly were not playing well when they faced Williams).  Their top scorer got two against Bates, one against Hamilton and hasn't found the net since.  The defense is strong though, that combined with the fact, that a win against Amherst can make their season, makes them scary coming into this game.  However, I think the reality is that Amherst's defense is just as strong.  I dont agree with LaPaz that Amherst has week defensive backs, maybe just because the rest of the team is so strong and they dont have the same depth at that position (though barring injuries, you dont really expect to sub backs anyways).  With Heo and Noon (and maybe with the addition Mooney who saw his first action of the season on Monday) leading charge, Amherst's offense if far better than Williams'.  I think they will create more chances and control possession, but Williams strong defense will limit the amount of times they can capitalize.  In the end I think Amherst wins this one by a goal (1-0).

The second most interesting game is Tufts and Conn College.  As I mentioned in my last post, I view this teams similarly and the stats seem to back that up.  They both score a little under 1.3 goals/game and give up about .8.  Conn College started out strong, but haven't been able to play up with some of the better teams in the league.  A similar argument could be made for Tufts, although I was impressed with their ability to rebound against Trinity after being drubbed by Amherst.  With all of this in mind, I guess it makes sense the two teams are next to each other in the standings, at 5 & 6 respectively.  All in all, Conn is a little better, and Tufts doesn't really have much of a home field advantage as some of the other teams in the league do. (1-0).

The other three games conference games strike me as a little more lopsided.  If LaPaz is correct in predicting a Bates/Wesleyan draw I would be pretty shocked.  If Bates sits in I think it is possible, but I just don't see Bates getting any points in this game.  (2-0).

Midd and Bowdoin should also handle their games easily, and begin to position themselves for the tournament.  Not that there is any reason the games are linked but I think those two teams win on an aggregate score of 5-1.

Truthfully, aside from Amherst Williams, what really interests me this weekend is Bowdoin and Babson.  The NESCAC is dominating the top of the regional rankings this year like they normally do (I know the NSCAA regional rankings mean nothing, but still).  Babson beat Williams, can they effectively end any hope Bowdoin has at a pool C bid (is that hope isn't already dead).
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 07, 2011, 09:54:32 am
While I feel Amherst is the best team in Nescac I cannot agree with NEsoccer on some of his points. If anything Amherst has racked up some goals aganist "bad" teams. they are 7-0-0 and have beaten Colby-Sawyer, Bridgewater St, Gordon, Lesley, Bates and Hamilton. Tufts is ok. That is a relatively "Soft" schedule and I have no idea why the coach with such a great team has to schedule such "cupcake" non-league games. I didnt say Amherst has weak defensive backs. I like the two CB's as Kaplan is a good player. He holds and pushes a little to much for my liking but he is very solid.  I said if there is a weakness on Amherst it is their wingbacks. #6 Aoyama is a very skilled and fast player but last year I liked him more on the wing midfield, so I am not sure how good of a defender he is. While I like #20 Lerner's energy and leadership I feel he is a weakness at back and can be broken down by good teams. We will see. I'm not saying they are bad players but if there is any suspect issues on Amherst squad it could be there. As far as controlling possesion NEsoccer thinks Amherst will create more chances and "control" possession.  If you have been watching NESCAC for years like myself you would know that Williams always out possesses its opponenets and will create chances off that possesion. Amherst the past few years have had so much talent but sometimes they waste it by sitting back and countering and hitting long balls instead of playing a capable possession game.  You are right that Amherst will create more chances and win this game but I doubt they will out possess Williams, especially on Williams' wide field. I just don't believe Williams has the same talent as Amherst and they do not have  a goal scoring threat like Amherst, that is why they will lose the game.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 07, 2011, 11:38:29 am
NESoccer......One possible reason for the Amherst vs Williams game being played on Sunday is the damage to particular playing fields by the recent storms.  The women's fields may not be available....hence the scheduling of games to a turf field in North Adams.  The men's field maybe ok.  The women's game is on Sat.....probably on the men's field.  Hence the men's game is moved to Sunday.  Can't have such an important game played on field that was used only a few hours earlier.  Other than that who knows what the scheduling "bigs" reasons are.   Webcasts?  crowds?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on October 07, 2011, 11:41:16 am
LaPaz, concerning the outside backs I think we're roughly on the same page.  Your point is mostly the same thing as what I said.

Concerning possession, Williams always traditionally out possessed their opponents because they have almost always had superior talent.  Past tendency can only carry so much weight on Sunday's game. 

We clearly agree that talent wise Williams isn't superior this year, but we seemingly differ on the extent to which the tide has swung.  Amherst has in recent years certainly had talent, but in the last two years especially (and even when they won the NESCAC and made the national semis) the one thing that was lacking was a central midfielder who could control the pace of the game.  I think the duo of #15 Tsatsimpe can do that.  Last year Tsatsimpe played in the middle, but he was often dropped in behind Rothkopf, whose style Amherst coach deferred to.  Rothkopf didn't have the same technical abilities as Tsatsimpe, and so Amherst played a certain way.  Without him as the face of the team I think they have been freed a little bit.  Beyond that, Noon is very adept at holding the ball up top and keeping possession.  I know Williams would like to play a certain way, but has anyone stepped into the roles of Kelly and Romero from last year as a midfielder who can dictate tempo and a forward who can hold the ball, respectively?  Obviously these roles aren't sufficient to control possession, but I do think they're necessary. Across the board Williams isn't as strong has they're were last year, and certainly not as good as two years ago or when they were entrenched at the top of the league during the early 2000s.  The only way that I think Williams is able keep possession in the game at 50/50 is if Amherst scores some early goals and decides to just sit in during the second half (as they did against Midd, a 3-0 game you left off your list).  Since I can't make it to the game, Im going to try and tune into the webcast to see how it all pans out (aside, why does Williams charge for the webcast? Does it come in HD?).  If this year Williams still dominates possession, then I will agree that will be the case forever and on forward.

About Amherst's schedule. I agree that their non-conference schedule is a joke and I would like to see at least one good team on it.  The difference for me so far between Amherst and Williams as far as racking up goals against bad teams is concerned is that while they have both scored against inferior teams, Amherst also put up 3 on Midd and Tufts, the most respectable teams on their schedule thus far.  The real test will be, as I mentioned somewhere in an earlier post,  Amherst's stretch from the 9th-16th.  That is the hardest I've four games in a row ive seen in recent memory.  That week will reveal if Amherst is really as good as we both think they might be.

I saw the field damage had shifted some the girl's games, wasn't sure about how if impacted the men.  Your theory seems good.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on October 07, 2011, 11:42:36 am
Didn't mean to say the duo, I know #15 is Tsatsimpe.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on October 07, 2011, 02:13:27 pm
Hamilton will beat Midd.

Hamilton is having a rough time in the new conference, but word to the wise; they always start slow.

This team will knock off a few others before 2011 is all said and done.

mark my words, Hamilton is playing well below its level so far this year.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 07, 2011, 04:16:42 pm
I have seen Hamilton twice this year and they may be the worst team in NESCAC along with Bates. They have no scoring punch, no creativity in midfield, no goalkeeping and their defense is slow.   This is not the weak Liberty League where u can rattle off a couple wins in a row aganist Skidmore, Vassar and the like. They are in a much more competitive league in NESCAC and they have to deal with all the travel that goes along with it. 8 hour road trips to play teams in Maine 2 week-ends apart does not help their cause. Last year they went 9-3-3, this year I am prediciting 4-8-2.  A very mediocore team at best.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on October 07, 2011, 04:25:44 pm
Lapaz: Great point in terms of the travel they have to do. Undoubtedly this will take a toll on the team. The liberty league is by no means weak.

Ask the  Vassar and Skidmore Coaches who have been trying to make tournament play for over a decade without any luck. I will stipulate that this year the liberty league is not as strong as years past, but they still have 2 Top 20 teams, and are sure to make noise in the national dance.

The NESCAC is a good conference, but Hamilton will be making a mark sooner than later.

Hamilton will not make the big dance, but they will beat some good teams this year before bowing out.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 07, 2011, 10:05:25 pm
No question I might have overstated the "weak" point about Liberty League. Just top to btm Nescac is better. I have seen Hobart this year and they are very good. Could easily be Top 2 or 3 in Nescac. SLU havent seen yet but I know they are always good and being from New England I can say I remember DeMello on club teams and he could be one of the top 5 players in Nescac. Very savvy player. I guess I am just not enamored with Hamilton's style or lack their of. You are right they will get better fast because outside of Trinity and Conn they should be able to get kids in that Williams, Amherst , etc could not. So if the coach properly recruits I agree with you.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 07, 2011, 10:19:34 pm
Random question about Liberty League...why do they allow only 4 teams into play-offs..with the addition of RIT(good addition btw) and Bard you could give #1 team a bye and play 2v7 3v6 and 4v5. Would give some teams a chance to make up for a cpl dropped games early in the year and make the overall season a bit more interesting.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NHsocca1 on October 08, 2011, 12:08:51 am
The way I see it, there are four tiers of teams this year:

Tier 1: Wesleyan, Williams,
Tier 2: Amherst, Bowdoin, Middlebury
Tier 3: Trinity, Tufts, Conn, Colby
Tier 4: Hamilton, Bates

I see the first tier as the early favorites.  The second tier are two teams that are dangerous enough to make a late season push and potentially win the championship.  Tier 3 can certainly upset anyone on any given day but haven't shown the consistency to get into the next tier.  There is a clear tier 4. 

Wesleyan looks to have the clearest path to the #1 seed.  I think Williams will beat Amherst this weekend and will end up in the #2 spot.  Williams is Williams and they have beaten Amherst for around twenty straight years, it's dumb to expect anything different (especially on their home field).  User Kushiana is the best player in the NESCAC this year and they have had some major injuries of late.  I think they run the table for the rest of the season. 

Really, really like Trinity in Tier 3 but they have some pretty crazy results.  They tied the Ephs but lost to Westfield State.  Mayernick might be the second best player in the league and I think he ends up leading the league in goals. 

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on October 08, 2011, 01:19:16 am
I like your tiering idea, very similar to the now ubiquitous power rankings that accompany every pro sport.  I do see the slotting, as well as some of the points you made, a little differently though.

First, I think Amherst clearly belongs in tier one (and I'm not sure if you meant to include them there because you also refer to the two teams in the second tier, though list three).  While they might not end up in the top spot, to this point they have arguably been the best, and without a doubt belong the top tier no matter how you draw the lines.

Trinity also should be in tier two, alongside Bowdoin and Midd.  The rest of it I agree with.

A few other things, Williams has certainly had the upper hand for the majority of the last 20 years of the rivalry, but since Amherst changed coaches before the 2007 season, the tenor has changed a bit.  In the those four year Amherst is 2-1-1 against Williams, with a win and a tie in Williamstown.  Yes it is a small sample, but I think it is more representative of the rivalry as it stands now.  About Kushiana as the best player in the league, that seems like a huge stretch to me.  He is the leading scorer for an offense that hasn't been too dynamic and hasn't even started several of Williams recent games (though has been healthy enough to play I assume since he did come off the bench in each).  I would buy Mayernick as the best player in the league.

I assume the major injuries you're referring to center around Ratajzak, is there someone else too?  Also, why does coach Russo switch goalies so much?  I'd just stick with Morrell.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NHsocca1 on October 08, 2011, 09:49:12 am
Been watching Williams-Amherst for years...believe me, Williams wins this one with plenty of room to spare.  Amherst is a borderline first tier/second tier team.  This isn't 2010 and like Middlebury and Bowdoin they are going to need a year to reload.
 
I will buy what you are selling on Trinity if they find a way to get a win and a tie against Amherst, Bowdoin, Middlebury or Wesleyan.

By the way, who is this Liberty league guy that is touting Hamilton? When's the last time that The LL had a Final Four team? Didn't the NESCAC have one in each of the last four years? Talk about not playing anyone...take a look at St. lawrence's schedule.  They could go the whole year an not play one other NCAA tournament caliber team other than Hobart (and don't give me Rochester).
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 08, 2011, 11:59:55 pm
NHsocca1- No idea what you have been watching for years but certainly havent been paying attention this year. Amherst is clearly the most talented and dominant team(so far)..User is not even in the top 5 top Nescac Players. He dribbles to much and has scored his goals aganist weak competiton(including the team u ranted aganist for a paragraph, Hamilton) Maynerick is not #1 and how "Amherst is in tier 2 not tier 1 is utter nonsense.  The top player in the league by far up to now is #19 Heo as he could be a top 5 in the Ivies. Maynerick I have been touting all year but he is to inconsistent to be #1. He has great games and then disappears. Williams had dominated Amherst during the Gooding years and as NESoccer states the tides have equalled out a bit more.  Wesleyan has def the easiest road left, (lets hope to god they dont finish #1 and host on that field), but in my mind have been a little lucky at times this year and still do not think they have the depth of Amherst or even Williams. Russo switches goalies I think because they are prety even and we have no idea how these guys perform in practice all week.

Anyway  Sat results

-Bowdoin season is history, just a comoplete letdown after a great final 4 run. They lost Hicks, Denton-Scneider and Prior plus the long throw but we all figured they would still be an extremely tough out. Coach made a huge mistake not recruiting a solid keeper to replace Hicks. Maybe they make a run in the NESCAC's. who knows

- Midd 5 in a row 4 w/o a goal let up...Players are gaining confidence Im sure and they look to be making a late season surge with Williams looming late in season.

-Conn and Tufts a predicatble result with what I hear was an extremely tediuos affair with neither team creating anything significant. 

-One more time Amherst 2-0 over Williams on Sunday
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 09, 2011, 01:38:56 pm
The Amherst vs. Williams game at Williams went to 2OT and ended 2-2.  Williams was up 1-0 after the half and it was 2-2 going into the first OT.  A somewhat shame that it was a audio broadcast only and the charge was 10 dollars for an audio feed!  Williams can do better with the largest endownment in the conference and their athletic tradition.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on October 09, 2011, 06:10:25 pm
I agree that charging for an audio feed is really poor, I was very disappointed.

The game though played out in a fitting way.  Amherst created many more chances and overall seemed much more threatening.  A scrappy goal off a restart and a rocket from Pugilese aren't things you can count on every day.  This game affirms LaPaz's belief that Heo is the best player in the league.  He is dangerous from every part of the field.  He scored one and drew the penalty on the other, could have probably had more as he nailed the post as time expired.  Amherst to me was  the better team.


This regular season crown is boiling down to Amherst/Wesleyan.  If Amherst can get go 2-0-1 this week it will make the late season match up between Amherst and Wesleyan huge.  The game is in Amherst, so Wesleyan won't have the luxury of their unique field.  Amherst's offense vs Wesleyan's defense will be great to watch, two best units in the NESCAC.

I really expected Bowdoin would go on a little run to end the season, but losing at home to Colby kills that notion.  The came back and tied Babson today, who was good enough to beat Williams, so Bowdoin clearly isn't a team others can take lightly, but their conference results have been baffling.

Midd is on a bit of a roll right now, I wouldn't be shocked if they win out.  4-0-1 in their last five outscoring opponents 12-0.  The only team they couldn't score against was Wesleyan, but no one score on Wesleyan.

Lastly, I really dislike the uneven scheduling.  I know it really doesn't make a huge difference, but the NESCAC should be able to do a better job balancing when games are.  For Wesleyan to not play a conference game in two weeks, while Amherst has 4 in 8 days (all on the road) is ridiculous. 

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: jellybelly on October 10, 2011, 09:41:37 am
Definitely agree that charging to just listen to a game is lame.  When one considers the caliber of school Williams is, you would think they could at a minimum broadcast their games for free.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NHsocca1 on October 11, 2011, 08:32:27 am
What happened on that Hamilton-Midd prediction?  Liberty League isn't anywhere close to the NESCAC. 9-3-3 could turn into 3-9-3.

i told you all Williams wouldn't lose at home.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 11, 2011, 09:29:52 am
First of all Anherst did not dominate Williams in any way. If that Williams cretaed more chances than Amherst. #19 Heo had an awful day besides the weak goal scored he did nothing all day.  Amherst best plaeyer on the field that day was #9 Noon. He was all over the field winning balls, getting dangeroeus chances and creating for his teamates. Havent seen him play that well ever. I gues its which days you watch these players.  It can be very inconsistent. Anyway Wiliams should be disappointed with a draw, to have a 2-0 lead with 11 minutes left is inexusuable to let up.I believ they got alittle lazy on Defense at the end. Both teams clearly gassed by the end of the game.TuesdY SHOULD BE INTERESTING
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 11, 2011, 05:01:17 pm
Amherst shuts out Trinity 1-0 at Trinity.  Noon scores  in the 18th minute and Amherst plays it safe.  In the 2nd half of the game Amherst gets its first corner and makes several attempts to score.  In the last ten minutes they just play defense.  Trinity gets few good shots at the goal.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: sumfun on October 11, 2011, 08:01:21 pm
LePaz, Bowdoin recruited a great goalie that took his team to a state final four.  He hasn't been given much of a chance to play yet. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 12, 2011, 09:36:47 am
sumfun-If the keeper was anygood they would have been playing him by now. My sources tell me they had to "beg" Wise to even play soccer(he's a lax player). This tells me that in pre season Bowdoin players saw what they had as frosh keepers and desperetly wanted Wise to play.  Please if I have the worng information let me know.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 13, 2011, 10:42:34 am
sumfun- got ur message thanks.




Sat / Sun 10-15/10-16 Predictions.
So my predictions have been a bit off lately but maybe this week-end brings better results.

Bowdoin v Hamilton-   2-0   A must win for both teams to stay alive in the Nescac playoff hunt.  Bowdoin is beginning to become along with Trinity, Tufts and Conn totally unpredictable.  However, I have seen Hamilton a couple times and have stated in the past not particularly impressed. I hate to do it again but I will put my gut with Bowdoin on this one but if I was betting real money on Bowdoin all season I would be way in the hole. The travel is just too much for Hamilton this season. Is Call Nichols injured? Have not seen Bowdoin in a while and have not seen him in their line-up.  If so, that is a big loss in the middle of the park.

Conn v Bates-  1-1    My prediction for a Bates tie with Wes last week was a disaster.  However, I believe Conn will be looking ahead to Williams and might look past my mighty Bobcats. Big fan of #21 Murphy and #11 Hirshberg has shown he can score goals. I like Conn as they have some talented players in #7 Brown,( can be inconsistent, he drifts in and out some games), #6 Maghenzani, #8 O’Brien( very good athlete and work rate), #10 Hormel (see O’Brien) and decent goalkeeping for a keeper with not much size.  Their back 4 are athletic but slow and with the back 4 all seniors that will be interesting to monitor next year. No idea where the athletic #19 Garabedian has been. I thought he would be more of a helper this year.

Colby v Amherst  0-2   After a great and somewhat lucky comeback against Williams last weekend, Amherst looked completely drained against Trinity this week but still managed to come away with a victory.  An ugly affair with Trinity saw 11 combined team shots and I bet not even half were on goal. #19 Heo seems to be wearing down a bit or maybe just tired. Good thing is you have talent to pick him up with Noon playing some great soccer. That game against Williams was one of his best I have seen from him. Amherst just plugging away and will dismantle Colby even with tired legs.

Middlebury v Trinity  1-0  Two teams headed in opposite directions. I will go with the flow and pick the team that is winning right now. These two teams are not that far apart but without Reilly (is he injured?) Trinity’s Defense looks a bit shakier than it did before. As we know they still have weapons but not enough to get a result at Midd.  Pitney and Macnee are the difference.    Midd looking to win out beat Williams and possibly a couple of Nescac playoff games and they will be in despite early season struggles.  They have no decent wins on the season so that could hurt, but hey still haven’t let up a goal in 5 games. Very impressive.

Tufts v Williams  0-1   Williams needs this game and the next  4 to  be considered for an At-large. Tufts looked absolutely dismal against Conn last weekend.  Besides #18 Santos and maybe #12 Hoppenot and a couple others they had no one doing anything on the day. They were an unattractive team to watch on that day playing a little to defensively for my taste. Why Santos is on a wing midfield and not used as a striker is anyone’s guess. Yes he has the skill to beat players wide but my money would be to play him up top and let him go to work.  Williams as pointed out by another poster has had some injuries but to inconsistent to be relied upon. I do think they can squeak a goal in this homecoming game for Tufts with noise coming in every direction(football game, etc)

Sunday:
A lot depends on Saturday and injuries and tired legs but here goes.

Bowdoin v Amherst- 0-0
Colby v Hamilton- 0-0
Bates v Tufts- 0-0
Conn v Williams 0-2


Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 15, 2011, 05:07:32 pm
Amherst beats Colby 3-0 at Colby on a windy day.  The online coverage was off and on and I could not tell who was winning since the announcers didn't give any scores in the first half.....so I assume it was 0-0 at the half (was watching the football game on-line).  When I returned to the game late in the second half, still no scores given and I assumed Amherst was winning by the tone of the announcers.  The wind was quite noisy durning the broadcast.  It will be Bowdoin on Sunday...the last away game of four for Amherst.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 16, 2011, 03:15:29 pm
Amherst wins in Maine against Bowdoin 2-1.  It was 0-0 at the half with most of the attacking by Amherst.  In the first 5 minutes of the second half, Amherst goes ahead 1-0 on a goal by Noon.   Mid-way in the 2nd, Bowdoin ties it up off a corner.  Heo is injured later in the half and goes out of the game.  Carried off first and then favors his left ankle.  Amherst goes in front by 2-1 on a shot by Norton.  the last five minutes was as the Bowdoin announcers termed it...Chaotic".  Rough play in the second half as both sides get a yellow card.
Need to make a modification after seeing the box.  The goal attributed to Noon was by teammate Sucre, a header with an assist from Heo....off a corner.  My error was the error from the announcers who ID Noon as the player.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on October 16, 2011, 06:34:25 pm
Shaping up to be an incredible stretch run with several intriguing story lines.

A the top of the list is the top of the table. Amherst I think proved their toughness making it out of their gauntlet 3-0-1 to tie Wesleyan for first place. Great for all fans that they get to play each other for what is essentially the regular season crown. I think amherst is the better team, by a hair. They have so many weapons (amh63, did heo return after his injury?).  If anyone can keep them off the score sheet it's Purdy and that defense though. Aside, any player of the year thoughts? To me its Noon vs Purdy. I favor Noon just because I think a lot of purdy's gaudy numbers are helped by the defense that plays in front of him. I wonder though if Heo and Noon will split votes (or however they make the decision) amongst those who would lean toward selecting an Amherst forward.

Then you've got trinity, tufts and williams left to fight it out for 3rd and 4th (I don't include conn because I believe amherst will beat them in their only remaining game). A really impressive pair of results for tufts this weekend, they're 6-1-1 in their last 8 games. Important to get those home quarterfinal games.

Finally there is the last spot in the tournament (assuming conn and midd finish 6&7 in some order). Only bates is eliminated, and Hamilton has a game in hand. I think Colby will get it as they reach ten points with a game left still against bates ( I do hope bates gets a win, hate to see anyone go winless but at Colby and home against midd, I don't know if they'll get it in either). All this means that last years final four team might not even reach the conference tournament.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 18, 2011, 11:30:37 am
Lets hope Amherst wins so they will most likely host(unless a 1v8 unlikely upset) the semi's and final. There field is in such better condition than Wesleyan.  I agree I thought Tufts fought and battled thru two very important and tough games this past weekend.  Between Tufts, Williams and Trinity, I would say Williams and maybe Tufts have the easiest schedule left for 3rd. Tufts has road games at Hamilton(who will be fighting for their life for #8 seed) and at Bowdoin(same). Williams a home game vs Colby( Williams is 12-0-1 all time vs Colby in 13 meetings, outscoring them 41-3...OUCH) and are at Midd( def a tough game but a result is possible for sure). I like it ending like this 1.Amherst
                     2.Wes
                     3.Williams
                     4.Trinity
                     5.Tufts
                     6.Conn
                     7.Midd
                     8.Bowdoin
Maybe u want to finish 3rd or 4th...I wuldnt want to play Midd opening round or even Bowdoin. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on October 18, 2011, 11:07:21 pm
I'd like Amherst to host as well, and I think they will. Even if the game ties between them and Wesleyan (though I like Amherst 1-0) Amherst has the easier final opponent. I have no idea what will happen 3/4/5. I could see any of the 6 combos happening.

I think it will shake out like this
Amherst
Wesleyan
Tufts
Williams
Trinity (just drew those three from a hat)
Midd
Conn College
Colby
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 20, 2011, 09:51:30 am
With WNEC and Springfield losing home games yesterday and Roger Williams tying, this could possibly bring more teams into the picture like Brandeis and Williams if they can win out.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on October 23, 2011, 04:50:25 pm
Biggest game of the year was a bit of a dud, I wasn't too impressed with either team going forward. Most of the shots were slow and from distance. The best chance was early in the game when Noon forced Purdy to go low and to his right go make a save, but it really wasn't that threatening. Seemed like Amherst's offense missed their most imaginative player, Heo. For their sake, I hope he isn't out too much longer. From all the stories written about him this year, seems like he must have been feeling it badly to have missed this game.  I think both will win their next game, not sure what the tie breaker is.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 24, 2011, 11:32:41 am
First off I agree, I was at that Wes v Amh game and it was a tedious defense affair.  Good atmosphere though.  Interesting final week coming up.  With Williams’ two wins and Springfield 2 losses plus a Roger Williams loss a Brandeis win and a Tufts loss this week’s regional rankings in my opinion will look like this:

1.Amherst
2.Babson
3.Wesleyan
4.WNEC
5.Williams
6.Brandeis
7.Tufts
8.Trinity
9.ECONN
10.Middlebury
11.Roger Williams

Williams at Midd   0-0      An extremely important game for both teams.  Midd for seeding in Nescac’s and Williams also for seeding but a win could really push them into At-large contenders.  Both teams have been playing much better lately, although from what the recap said of the Midd v Bates game it sounds like a horrible goalkeeping error that Midd got that 1-0 win.  Williams’ goalkeeping has been getting stronger with Than Finan taking over for an injured Morrell. The defense in front of Finan has been exceptional as mostly impressive has been senior #4 Vestegard and frosh #3 Crump(former Bolts player and no idea why some Ivies would have passed on him, maybe not the fastest but certainly makes up for it for his defending). #5 Ratajczak has been ok but hasn’t been as aggressive as I have seen him in years past. #2 Weinrib has the nice long throw and is pretty technical for a guy 6’3 but seems to be always injured or for whatever reason doesn’t play every game.  The midfield has improved from the beginning of the year with the tenacious #13 Kennedy and skilled #23 Chistman (who the recap from yesterdays RPI game sounds like he scored 2 great goals) and the hard worker #8 Pugliese. Again Williams’ has no strikers and no pure goal scorers and it shows in their stats with spread out goal scoring from middies and some forwards.  Midd has been shutting down teams since the beginning of October. I have not seen them since their 3-0 loss at Amherst but can imagine with Cahill and solid defending they will be extremely tough to score on. Macnee is the best pure striker in this game by far and could cause problems for Williams’ backline.  My gut says scoreless draw though.

Tufts at Bowdoin   2-1    Just the biggest disappointment in a long time.  The sad part is Bowdoin will be losing a ton of good players Jones, Bishop, Nichols, Powell. 4 very good players all playing a huge roll in last years final four run.I still do not get this collapse and I am assuming no one does, would love an explanation from someone in the kno. Either way Bowdoin packed it in a long time ago and Tufts needs this game more than anything for a home seed and possible at-large aspirations. They had Hamilton on the ropes with about 10 minutes to play and just gave that game away. Really disappointing, as it sounds like they outplayed Hamilton for the most part of that game.  That game could quite cost them home field.

Bates at Colby     0-2   Can a team actually go 0-10 in Nescac play? This team can and will.  Colby is a decent side with average goalkeeping and defending.  Great midfielder in #10 Meisel who could be one of the top 5 players in Nescac. He runs the show on this team and when I say run I mean it. The kid doesn’t stop working and he has skill to boot.  They have to win to get in which makes for an exciting game with high stakes and a ton of pressure. Bates will be playing with no pressure and will play spoiler, that makes this game dangerous for Colby but I believe they will prevail. Colby tries to play an attractive style of soccer by keeping the ball on the ground and do have some skill to do it. They like to attack with their wingbacks which puts pressure on defenses but also opens them up a bit. They just have no striker to rely on to score critical goals. Come to think of it not many teams in Nescac do.

Conn at Amherst   0-1   Amherst wants the home seed and Conn looking to stay ahead of Midd for 6 seed and possibly pass Tufts for 5. Amherst is def a different team without Heo but lately he wasn’t producing as much.  They are less explosive offensively as that Wes game showed.  Can anyone update with an injury report or the type of injury he sustained?  Conn has been up and down all year but I believe they play much better on their home field than on the road. Advantage Amherst.

Trinity at Wes    0-0 Again the importance for home field and seeding, etc.  Trinity with that end of the year schedule has done much better than I thought they would and have a legit chance for #3 seed b/c of Williams having tough game.  Wes has more at stake though as home field for them means a huge advantage in Nescac’s.  However, both these teams are so stingy on defense I do not see many chances in this game.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 25, 2011, 08:49:21 pm
Was at the game on Sat.  Heo was on the sidelines in his covers and moved about ok, shouting encouragements to his teammates.  He limped off the field several games ago.  Saw Noon and several of his teammates on Sunday.  Their only remark about Heo was that he was injured.  Didn't expect any more or any less.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NESoccr on October 25, 2011, 11:07:28 pm
1st post this yr. follow cac as kind of a hobby.  in hartford area & see bunch of games in wes, trin, amh corridor.  liked the amh-wes game.  exactly what i expected.  wes & amh both very strong defensively. that's good soccer.

lapaz - your knowledge is impressive.  as to bowdoin, jones & nichols out for season with injuries, but collapse shows lack of depth & points to probs in recruiting over past few yrs.  can't blame everything on keeper.  he might not be one of the best, but no one has said he's let in soft goals.  on other hand, amh missing mooney for whole season who was second high scorer and all nescac, and they haven't skipped a beat.   

for tomorrow, i see wes winning home field for nescac semis & finals.  think amh will be upset by conn, who has beaten them 2 or 3 three times in last 4 years.  amh looked very tired at end of wes game compared to wes who played more players for longer time.  even if heo returns, he hasn't been effective last 3-4 games anyway.  noon, sucer, and defense have been the leaders.  wes beats trin 1-0 (what else); midd and wms tie; colby over bates; and bow finally gets win over tufts.  don't knowhow that shakes out for tourney, but leave that to someone else. 

will start next post with thoughts for all nescac this year.         
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NHsocca1 on October 25, 2011, 11:50:33 pm
Williams over Midd 3-0-----Williams hitting stride at perfect time for playoff run.
Wes and Trinity tie 1-1-----Both teams playing great.
Conn over Amherst 2-0-----Conn beats Amherst regularly. An easy pick, not even an upset.
Tufts over Bowdoin 1-0-----Defensive battle.
Colby and Bates tie 0-0-----Another defensive battle.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 26, 2011, 09:19:21 am
Williams never wins at MIDD..nhsoc must be a williams alum...I cant remember the last time they won at Midd even with the Jamaican connection and all those good teams.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on October 26, 2011, 06:19:09 pm
Bizarre final day. I didnt see the game, and the box score isn't yet available, but apparently Amherst missed a pk in the final seconds. I'm interested to see the stats of the game. I wonder if conn Coll (who as nhsocca said has handles Amherst) created equal chances or just finished the few they got. Also, curious if this game was back and forth or on team jumped out several goals early. In the end this lose, nor the one for Wesleyan is killer. Both are pool c locks. The biggest thing is now wesleyan has midd In the round rather than Colby. A bit of a scary proposition. I won't comment on home field advantage for the semis and finals, because anything can happen in the first week. I like trinity, what do they need to accomplish in this tourney to get in pool c if they don't win the whole thing. Same question for Williams. I think Williams will benefit from name recognition if only three teams are coming from the Nescac.

The best things from the day, the box score description of tufts' first goal against Bowdoin (for which there really isn't much left to be said) :

"1. 22:03 TUF Goal: Maxime Hoppenet. Assist: Gus Santos. cheeky move inside the box. delivered sharp cheddar to the upper 90"
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 26, 2011, 07:49:21 pm
The story of the Amherst lost to Conn. is posted on the Amherst website.  From the stats and boxscore, Amherst was ahead......but lost the game.  Game went back and forth with Amherst up and Conn. making it 1-1 and the same for 2-2.  Noon missed the penalty kick to tie the game in the end.  The NESCAC site gives the story why Amherst got the top seed and gives the match ups.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NESoccr on October 26, 2011, 11:47:31 pm
amh 3, went to look at amherst site story. sounds like amh dominated, but no win. story mentions  a few posts, offsides on goal, saved pk. conn keeper has 10 saves. kovacs has 1.  don't know what it is w/ conn & amh, but conn has some edge.  btw, looked at midd-wms story on midd site & looks like midd totally dominated.

 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NESoccr on October 27, 2011, 12:26:15 am
btw, noticed lots of guys from amh played v. conn, but not heo or tasimpe.  amh 63 or anyone else know why or whether they'll play sat?  missing one is tough, but missing both is a lot to make up.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 27, 2011, 10:40:15 am
From what part of that story do you read into the fact that Midd dominated?  I saw the game on video and Midd had numerous chances in first half and did dominate the half. 2nd half and OT were different story as Williams came on strong and had a cpl chances to win it in OT with some nice thru balls over the top of Midd's defenders and if not for some nice goalkeeping from Cahill would have won.  Williams 4 straight shutouts and Midd 1 goal allowed since September.  0-0 a pretty fair result.

Good luck to Wesleyan on Saturday, they better bring their "A" game or they will be quickly eliminated and we could see a nice Amherst v Midd Semi-final.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NESoccr on October 27, 2011, 11:23:34 am
Lap - just looked at shots on goal & corners. Didn't see game, so oobviously you know better. Agree midd very tough 1st round draw.   
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 27, 2011, 07:13:25 pm
Agreed...Also, Tufts v Williams,,not an easy game for Williams at all. The home field should help but I'm sniffing an upset. However,If it goes to PK's adv Williams as Finan has saved 2pk's already this year and saved Amh Pk that was a rebound goal.

Final 4: Amherst, Wes, Tufts, Conn
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 28, 2011, 11:30:18 am
Busy weekend on Amherst campus this weekend as both soccer teams host games and the conference cross country championships are being run, etc.  There is an interesting story on the website on soccer.  B. Saldana, a junior backup GK is featured.  Seems he was selected to play for his national team.  Selected as an candidate goalie, he won out and was in the net for two of his team's games.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: gustiefan04 on October 28, 2011, 11:34:24 am
link to the story?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 28, 2011, 11:40:20 am
Sorry about that....don't know how to link in here.  However, go to ...Amherst.edu to get to the school's website and then click on the ...athletic site and the story is featured on the front page of the site.  It is also on the soccer team site.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Sandy on October 28, 2011, 11:58:08 am
https://www.amherst.edu/athletics/teams/fall/soccer-m/articles/2011/1027_saldana (https://www.amherst.edu/athletics/teams/fall/soccer-m/articles/2011/1027_saldana)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 29, 2011, 05:38:50 pm
Amherst beats Colby 4-0 at home.  Webcast cancelled due to weather.  It was 2-0 at the half.  Amherst had more shots, corners, fouls, etc.  Noon scored 2 goals and had an assist.  The fwd line was missing Heo and T (can't spell his name) again and Mooney was missing again....as I was hopping he would show up in the post season.  Lerner had 2 assists and Sucre had a goal.  Weather conditions impacts on play unknown.......late start of game.  Awaiting the story.  Seems Wes. loss to Midd. and Trinity won over Conn.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on October 30, 2011, 11:16:28 am
Don't think any of the results are too surprising. For the last several years, regardless of where they're ranked, midd seems to be the most dangeros team in the tournament. They and trinity are both playing really well right now. Reading the stories, seems like each game ended in a fair result. The most impressive thing to me from the weekend is amherst's depth. Three key starters, Heo, tsatsimpe, and norton all didn't play (on top of mooney having not been able to play this year). Any one with knowledge? Beating Colby without those players is one thing, taking on midd is another (do you think there is anyone Amherst wanted to see less than the team that has knocked them out the last two years and seems to be a guarantee every year to make the title game). Is the trinity v Williams game a play in game for the NCAA? I think whichever team wins that game, assuming they don't win the title should make the tournament. I think the most interesting scenario as far as bids could possibly play out would be midd winning it all. Amherst and Wesleyan must be in, if midd takes the tournament does the Nescac get four teams, or will that take the possible bid away from williams/trinity winner? Love to hear thoughts.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jim Matson on October 30, 2011, 02:41:04 pm
I watched a couple of these matches, and the weather definitely had an impact on the results. Cutbacks were sloppy and it was tough for the players to keep their feet. I thought the pace of matches were slower than I would have expected, and the above has to the reason.

Amherst sets up the attack well. I was impressed with how they moved the ball, with or without their star. I anticipate they'll do well in the NCAA tourney.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 31, 2011, 10:40:01 am
6 Nescac teams have a legitmate argument to get into NCAA's. 6 will not get in but 4 or possibly 5 will, especially if Babson and WNEC win their leagues.

Locks:   Amh, Wes(However, this team is struggling and does not deserve any type of home field)
Very Close:  Williams, Trinity
Border:  Midd
Long Shot:  Tufts

First of all Wednesday's regional rankings will make things even more clear. Let us remember that one game does not make or break your season, so when you say Trinity/Williams winner is in, it doesnt reflect just that game.
Personally, I do not agree with WNEC's high ranking. They continue to beat on a weak league and are 0-2 aganist Nescac(losses to Bowdoin and Wes). I have a hard time finding a "good" win on that schedule. They should win their league but still need to get by Roger Williams and Gordon. There coach is on the regional rankings commitee and while I realize he is out of the room when his team is discussed it is hard for me to believe that there is no influence whatsoever.

Babson is a legit #2 or whatever they are. They have some "good" wins and will likely get a first round bye and host a one gamer on the saturday to get into 3rd round.

Trinity should be in with road wins at Midd, Wes and a road tie at Williams. Home wins aganist Conn and ECONN will help. Their losses to Westfield and Worcester state will hurt but shouldn't do them in because both those teams have winning records and could still win their league tournament.

Williams again has the best S.O.S and at 9-3-3 I believe will also be in. A loss to Tufts and they would have been done. They might still need a result aganist Trinity but not if WNEC and Babson win their tourney's.

Midd is playing the best out of any team right now and with a win at AMH on sat and they will have to get in even if they lose the final. That would be road wins at Amh and Wes and home ties with Williams and Wes. their out of league schedule is weak but Castleton could win their league and possibly Norwich. Remember commitee likes it when you beat NCAA bound teams.

Tufts a defenite long shot they will need Trinity and Midd to lose semi's and WNEC and Babson to win league plus alot of other stuff around country to probably happen. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NESCACInsider on October 31, 2011, 01:27:08 pm
A look into Middlebury's win over Wesleyan after talking to coach David Saward, who got his 300th career win.

http://nescacinsider.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/mens-soccer-a-monumental-moment-a-monumental-game-for-middlebury-and-coach-saward/
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 03, 2011, 10:25:53 am
Nov 2nd Regional Rankings have come out and are interesting to say the least.  Tufts are unfortunately done. A great season from a young team but losses to Hamilton and Williams at the end of the year looks to have done them in. Middlebury most likely will have to beat Amherst to get in.  A tie/PK loss might do the trick but highly unlikely.  Trinity has jumped 4 spots to the #6 seed and will need to either beat Williams or Tie.  To be on the safe side I would think it would be better to go all out and win that game for a definite at-large. I think Williams is in no matter what at #5 because they have the #1 S.O.S. A tie will not hurt them. However, a 1-3-3 record against ranked opponents is not good. Same for Midd as their record against ranked opponents is under .500.  Both those teams can obviously improve that with wins on Saturday.  Amherst and Babson have clinched home field for 1st and 2nd rounds and probably a bye into 2nd round. Wesleyan has played themselves out of home field but most likely will have an “easy” neutral site game for 1st round.  WNEC still befuddles me as a #4 seed with no quality wins. A loss in their tournament will drop their seeding, no doubt.

Trinity v Williams-   1-0       A tightly played match early in the morning.  Both teams are playing very well right now. Both teams are also dealing with some injuries.  With #26 Reilly out for the year Trinity has moved #6 Buckley in the back with #5 Packer and they have formed quite a defensive duo in front of the stellar and surprising play of the keeper Schonberg.  While I thought this move would hurt their midfield because Buckley was playing well there it hasn’t as Frosh #19 Sun has some skill and the ever dangerous #10 El-Hachim is solid.  #7 Mayernick playing well all year and scores the game winner in this game with about 20 minutes to go.  Williams has played very well all year for such an inexperienced side and have dealt with a ton of injuries as well.  Their defense and goaltending has been the 2nd best in the league the past 3-4 weeks and their midfield is playing extremely well.  I just do not see them scoring in this game and in fact haven’t scored more than 2 goals in a game since early September. It is tough to bet against Williams in this game because in the past Trinity has been so inconsistent but they have had Williams’ # the past few years.  If it does go to PK’s Williams has the advantage in net.

Amherst v Midd-     0-1      Not much detail needed here. Just a classic Midd/Amherst matchup. There will be some chances but not many and the team that can finish one chance will win/ If Heo and #15 Tebs are still out than advantage Midd and even if they are not out I still think Midd has a slight advantage.  They are playing the best in NESCAC right now and Amherst might have that feeling of if we lose we are still in.  Midd has to do win and must be thinking this is there year. They lose a ton of talent after the year.  Cahill, Redmond, Pitney Macnee, Calluci etc.  They might struggle next year a bit so these seniors will b e fighting for their careers here.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 05, 2011, 04:47:52 pm
Amherst wins over Midd. 2-1 in OT.  Amherst was down by 1 goal at the half and into the 2nd half.  Did see Heo enter the game in the second half..or late in the first half when Amherst was behind and need to step up its attack against the tough Midd. defense.
Trinity won over Williams, I believe.  Had to switch over to the big Football game on campus between two undefeated teams.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NEsoccer on November 06, 2011, 10:43:48 am
Championship day. Tsatsimpe and norton were back in the semi-final and Heo was available off the bench, which I imagine will be the case again today. With all those guys playing i think amherst is easily the most talented and deepest team in the league. Trinity however is probably playing better than anyone else right now having reeled off five straight wins (including @midd and @ wesleyan) since last losing to Amherst at home in a 1-0 game. I really think this is could be a special Amherst team. The hoops second ever conference title and a deep NCAA run would validate that. I see both happening.

I do think trinity should be into the tournament with a win or a loss. I can't imagine middlebury getting in, as they would be the fifth NESCAC team. (Im assuming if they get in williams a would have as well. I think Williams is the real bubble team). Have five from the conference gotten in before? With so few pool c bid, I can't imagine four going to one conference.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: newefan on November 06, 2011, 10:49:59 am
If Babson & Amherst both lose today then I think we might only see 3 NESCAC teams, Amherst, Wesleyan and Trinity.  Babson takes a spot over Williams.  If Babson wins then maybe Williams gets in. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 06, 2011, 02:08:12 pm
Amherst wins over Trinity 2-0 at home for the conference championship.  It was Amherst 1-0 at the half and Amherst played with a 2-0 lead well into the 2nd half.  It got rough near the end and passions ran high with a number of cards given.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NESoccr on November 07, 2011, 05:29:34 pm
tourney committee totally underrated nescac.  amherst shld've been seeded on schedule strength and record v. ranked teams and same record as trinity (and won league and tourney).  nescac performance in past 4 yrs. shld count for something (middlebury national champs, and then amherst, williams, and bowdoin to semis after knocking off other nescacs).  watch trinity, ct or wesleyan go to semis from weakest bracket.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NHsocca1 on November 07, 2011, 10:12:34 pm
Williams should be in.

Amherst got hosed. 

Who is on the decision making committee? I bet not the Amherst or Williams coaches...

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Off Pitch on November 07, 2011, 10:21:13 pm
Amherst is in the easiest region, hardly a hosing.

Williams is most definitely one of the top 61 teams in the country, but they are only the fourth best team in their conference. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NHsocca1 on November 07, 2011, 10:42:15 pm
Hahaha...ok.  Easiest region. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Off Pitch on November 07, 2011, 10:47:02 pm
Please see the analysis in the Playoff thread.  Using the average rankings of the top four teams in each region, the Messiah/Amherst region comes out as the weakest. 

By the way, if healthy, I like Amherst to upset Messiah.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 09, 2011, 11:10:58 am
The history for one tournament to the next means nothing. You might think there would be some link but there is not.
Amherst- Got a good first 4 teams and will make it out however their travels to Messiah should be an interesting challenge. they did not get "hosed" at all.
Trinity- Got lucky. If anything Wesleyan should be where Trinity is at Babson and Trinity should be heading to NJ, but looks like these conference tournaments played more of a factor than we once thought.
Wes-They didint end their season strong and did lose to Trinity at home but still I think this is a bit of a "miss". BTW there coach is the NESCAC region rep.
Williams- While def one of top 61 and had best strenght tof Schedule in country there 1-4-3 record aganist ranked teams doomed them. That unlucky loss to Amherst in last 10 minutes and the loss to Wes with 2 min remaining really hurt them. However, the loss to Trinity in Nescac semi's doomed their chances.
Midd- While playing the best of anyone late season and with the best and biggest senior class gone, this has to be a huge disappointment.  Their record aganist ranked teams also did them in plus 8 wins with 4 aganist bad opponents. They had no shot unless they beat Amherst in Nescac semis's, which from what I saw was a real dirty game.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 10, 2011, 03:39:17 pm
http://www.nescac.com/sports/msoc/2011-12/honors/allconference

2011 NESCAC Men's Soccer All-Conference
  First Team Institution Yr. Hometown
F Tyler Macnee Middlebury Sr. Williston, Vt.
F Dan Mayernick Trinity Sr. Gladwyne, Pa.
F Spencer Noon Amherst Jr. Farmington, Conn.
F Gus Santos Tufts Fr. Framingham, Mass.
M Rory O'Neill Wesleyan Jr. Silver Spring, Md.
M Robbie Redmond Middlebury Sr. Morristown, N.J.
M Thebe Tsatsimpe Amherst Sr. Johannesburg, South Africa
 
D Sean Bishop Bowdoin Sr. Danvers, Mass.
D Joe Buckley Trinity Sr. Shrewsbury, Mass.
D Chris Lerner Amherst Jr. Canton, Mass.
D Matt Ratajczak Williams Jr. Brooklyn, N.Y.
GK Adam Purdy Wesleyan Jr. Montclair, N.J.
         
  Second Team Institution Yr. Hometown
F Oscar Brown Connecticut College     
 Sr. Ridgefield, Conn.
F Jae Heo Amherst So. Changwon, South Korea
F John Murphy Bates Jr. Yarmouth, Maine
F Alejandro Sucre Amherst Sr. Caracas, Venezuela
M Anthony El-Hachem   
 Trinity Jr. Vernon, Conn.
M Andrew Meisel Colby Jr. Newtown, Conn.
M Otis Pitney Middlebury Sr. Washington, D.C.
D Ben Brewster Bowdoin So. Cape Elizabeth, Maine
D Jack Freeman Middlebury Jr. Ridgewood, N.J.
D Isaac Hancock Connecticut College Sr. Gettysburg, Pa.
D Phil Vestergaard Williams Sr. St. Petersburg, Fla.
GK Grant Schonberg Trinity Sr. Mendham, N.J.
         
  Player of the Year       
F Spencer Noon
 Amherst Jr. Farmington, Conn.
 
         
  Rookie of the Year       
F Gus Santos
 Tufts Fr. Framingham, Mass.
 
         
  Coach of the Year       
  Mike Pilger
 Trinity
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 10, 2011, 03:43:49 pm
No idea what some of these coaches are watching..

First team:  Lerner, Macnee and Ratajczak not deserving. Macnee and Ratajczak had off years and no idea how in the world Lerner even made it on this list. I figure him to be one of Amherst weak links back there. Redmond is an iffy choice. I would have gotten those out and put in Meisel, Pitney and Vestegaard.

2nd team looks ok. Isacc Hancock a strecth as is Seton Hall transfer for MIdd.

I love the first team selection of Santos as FROSH.  good to see and C.O.Y Pilger a nice pick as well. Noon well deserving of P.O.Y
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NESoccr on November 10, 2011, 07:05:41 pm
how could amherst coach (i forget his name) not be COY. they won regular season and tourney. pilger not more desrving than what Ken Murphy's done at my alma mater. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NHsocca1 on November 10, 2011, 07:36:23 pm
sAw all three games this past weekend.

macnee more than deserving,

lerner led team in assists and was Amherst best player in NESCAC final weekend.

I'd have made Wheeler COY for tying for reg season championship with same guys as last year. 

Other obersvations:

NO hamilton player on either team.  The only team not represented.

As many Conn College players as Williams players.  Sure that hasn't happened before. 

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NESoccr on November 10, 2011, 10:44:38 pm
lap - seems like you know NESCAC better than anyone.  you say lerner's a weak link in amherst defense. i watched them play twice this year, once at trinity and on webcast. he looked pretty good to me. i don't know other guys, but what other amherst defender would you have on all-conference? seems some amherst defense guy or keeper should be on one of teams.

and for you and socca, i still think amherst coach should've been COY. it's been a pretty long time since a team won both the regular season and tourney, hasn't it? i like wheeler and don't know much about the amherst coach, but the team had a great year. my camels spoiled a perfect season.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NHsocca1 on November 10, 2011, 10:57:16 pm
a lot of good coaches in the league.

lerner definitely all-league worthy.

look for all three nescacs to get out of weekend.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 10, 2011, 11:30:27 pm
In my opinion(I could be wRONG) Amherst coach deserved it  but im willing to bet he isnt the most liked coach in nescac and doubt he would garner the votes as a Pilger or Wheeler.  Murphy has done a good job at Conn but not sure how you can compare that with Trinity and say Murphy is more deserving after Pilger gets Trinity into NCAA's. 
-Macnee to me is a very good player.  However, I think he tends to disappear in "BIG" Nescac games. Doesnt remind me of a typical Midd striker as he lacks some toughness..
-Lerner a hard worker but Kaplan might deserve the pick more. You dont put your best defender(1st team) at wing back, your best players are up the middle of the spine of your team.  Tough for keepers this year, you could make a case for like 5 of them. So Kovacks not getting it isnt all that suprising.
-Will Trinity be over confident aganist this team from Maine?  They have done it before.
-Amherst will be good for the weekend
-Wes is more unpredictable as 1. really dont know the teams 2. prob night turf games, not used to that. 3. travel
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NHsocca1 on November 11, 2011, 05:30:55 am
Here are my score predictions:

Wesleyan 2, Misercorida 1
Trinity 4, St Joe's 0
Amherst 3, Husson 1

(as a sidenote, I really am not an amherst fan, but they have won me over this season to some degree.  haven't seen a team play as hard as them in a while. saw them come back in last mins at williams and then in both games last weekend. gotta give credit to them....have made NCAAs 5 or 6 times in a row now.  Wasnt the case when I was in league.)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 11, 2011, 09:53:28 am
Amherst v Husson    3-0 - Amherst just to big and powerful for Husson.  Husson has been playing well of late and I hear they have a great long throw, but just a talent difference here.

Trinity v St.Joe's      2-0 - Trinity has played extremely well defensively since #6 Buckley has moved into defense and the goalkeeping has been good. Mayernick always in the right place at right time. He works hard for his goals with his quick feet( He beat the Williams keeper and defender to ball by a split 2nd last weekend to win game for Trinity). He is a natural goal scorer but does disappear for stretches at a time. #10 played well in that game and will need to continue to do so for Trinity to keep moving along. Didnt see #11 Binnie in that Williams game but he is a help up top for Trinity if he plays. The midfield besides #10 is average at best. I think they will come out sluggish but find a way to beat this team.


Wes v Miser            0-0 PK Loss   Just a complete hunch. Have no idea about opponent, but Wesleyan hasnt played in 2 weeks and might be rusty.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 12, 2011, 07:31:17 pm
Amherst cruches Husson, 4-0.....with S. Noon getting two.  Meets ECSU on Sunday at 1 PM on Hitchcock field.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 13, 2011, 03:30:16 pm
Amherst moves on with a 4-2 win over ECSU today at home.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jim Matson on November 13, 2011, 04:16:38 pm
What was the deal with the fight? Was a red card given?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NHsocca1 on November 13, 2011, 05:03:23 pm
My brother was at game, said EConn took a bunch of cheap shots and really played ugly.  Apparently. Kaplan got knocked out of game on a dirty play off the ball when it was 4-1.  There was a scrum and pushing/shoving, etc.  Will be tough for Amherst to replace him if he's out for the year (which it sounded like).

Also said Alexi Lalas was there. Not sure why. 

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: eyeinthestands on November 13, 2011, 08:29:43 pm
Eastern played ugly? Wasn't there but the box has Amherst with 21 fouls! (Eastern 10)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 14, 2011, 09:27:38 am
Amherst is known for playing "ugly" sometimes and their coach isnt the best representative of fair play but Eastern was def chippy in this match.  Hey its tourney time and this is what happens plus you had a horrible ref who let things get way out of control far to early.

Didnt see the Wes game but congrats to them for a great season. I think they lose Paresi but not much else so they will be back pretty strong.

Trinity has to be extremely disappointed they had Babson with 2 minutes to go but Anderson scores an unmarked header off a corner to tie game. Trinity looked totally unprepared in penalties as they went 0-3(2 saves by a Babson field player who substituted for Crowley) and Babson went 3-3.  Coincidentally Crowley made a massive error to allow the Trinity goal with ten minutes left. I believe he is the weak link that will send Babson home next round.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 14, 2011, 10:22:33 am
http://www.flickr.com/photos/amherstcollege/6342352550/in/set-72157628121737070

The only guess as to why Alexi Lalas was at this game is maybe becuase Husson's assistant coach is his old Rutgers U coach Bob Reasso but Husson was eliminated the day before
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: eyeinthestands on November 14, 2011, 12:55:12 pm
"Amherst is known for playing "ugly" sometimes and their coach isn't the best representative of fair play but Eastern was def chippy in this match.  Hey its tourney time and this is what happens plus you had a horrible ref who let things get way out of control far to early."



AMEN to that!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on November 14, 2011, 02:34:39 pm
eyesinthestands, LaPaz,

You really had to be on site to see the aggressive play, because if you watched the Amherst streaming video, which was without commentators, you saw a poor quality feed that was freezing every 15 seconds or so, totally frustrating to watch, and I gave up at halftime and switched to  the Trinity/Babson video, which was relatively good and with play by play. ???

Anyway..... I 'll stop wining,   Congrats to Amherst and good luck in the sweet 16. With those 6'6'' Venezuelan twins, it is difficult to touch anything in the air, and should give AC a distinct advantage.  Plus Messiah is out, so that should make everyone play even harder for the walnut and bronze. 

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on November 14, 2011, 03:06:31 pm
I watched the Amherst video online.  It was a poor game all around in regards to quality of play.  It looked like a very physical kickball game.  I am guessing it could have been a very good game had the officiating not been so poor.  If the refs get control of the game early then the game wouldn't have fallen apart as it did.  The last 15-20 minutes was basically player after player going in on thuggish challenges.  No commentator was necessary as you could hear the coaches screaming the whole second half, it was comedy.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Flying Weasel on November 19, 2011, 05:10:47 pm
tourney committee totally underrated nescac.  amherst shld've been seeded on schedule strength and record v. ranked teams and same record as trinity (and won league and tourney).  nescac performance in past 4 yrs. shld count for something (middlebury national champs, and then amherst, williams, and bowdoin to semis after knocking off other nescacs).  watch trinity, ct or wesleyan go to semis from weakest bracket.
Williams should be in.

Amherst got hosed. 

Who is on the decision making committee? I bet not the Amherst or Williams coaches...
Well, lots of regular season talk and pre-tournament talk, and I'm waiting to hear what you guys have to say now.  Amherst got to host their sectional due to the Messiah loss and couldn't get the job done.  Trinity and Wesleyan didn't reach the Sweet 16, much less the semifinals.  For me, Amherst was the only one of the three in whom it was reasonable to have big although guarded expectations.  I think the fact that Williams, Middlebury, and Bowdoin were not as strong this year made it harder to gauge how good the conference's top teams really were.  In other words, did Amherst and Wesleyan do so well because they were so good this year or more because the other teams weren't so good this year.  Probably a bit of both.

For me personally, I think no more or less of the NESCAC after this tournament or this year.  It is what it is: a conference that most years has more quality teams than all or most all other conferences, but nationally those quality teams are not in a class of their own.  They are Top 10, Top 25, Top 40 type teams that have the potential for a deep tournament run but also can get beaten by numerous other top level teams from all the regions.  The run of four straight Final Fours with four different NESCAC schools is a testament to this, no doubt.  But on the flip side, from 1999 to 2006 when no NESCAC school made the Final Four it was still a very good conference and one of the nation's best.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 19, 2011, 06:27:36 pm
pretty fair assesment. After being at the game Amherst must feel "sick" they didnt win that game. They had numerous scoring chances and couldnt finish, but that is the game of soccer. Stevens was not that impressive at all as besides the 2 goals I cannot even remember another chance they had. With the talent Amherst has if they would play like Williams or SLU, I think they would be more successful. They would still have the advantage on any set pieces so why not keep the ball ont he floor a little more. They really only lose #15 Tebs and #12 Kaplan plus keeper. They will be strong for sure next year.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NESoccr on November 19, 2011, 11:29:45 pm
weasel, taking a shot at amherst after today's game is pretty weak if you know anything about the game. i took a ride up 91 to see the game.  as ususal paz sums it up.  the best team came out on bottom.  at the game, you could tell this was an upset.  amherst badly outplayed stevens.  stevens not very strong side, but amherst couldn't put ball in net from even a few feet away a couple of times.  stevens has a kid hit improbable rocket into upper 90 from 25 yards and another goal on ground through two defenders from 18.  decent shot, but keeper must have been blocked.  like paz, i don't think stevens had another shot in second half.  if you count long throws, amherst had about 20-25 set pieces.  hey, that's soccer.  woulda, coulda, shoulda, and out.  here's link to story i found on amherst site.  https://www.amherst.edu/athletics/teams/fall/soccer-m/articles/2011/1119_sit.       
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Flying Weasel on November 20, 2011, 01:31:22 am
NESoccr, I wasn't taking a shot at Amherst but at NESCAC fans.  After the rest of us have had to put up with some form of "the NESCAC is the best" being inserted in numerous threads over the course of the season, is it really that out of line to calmly point out that the NESCAC is out of the tournament? Is the banter only allowed to flow in one direction?  Com'n on, lighten up!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NHsocca1 on November 20, 2011, 08:18:20 am
nesoccr....youre totally correct. Newport, Messiah, SLU all dominate and lose and there are posts about how unfair soccer is.  a nescac team dominates and loses and the there are three paragraph posts about how bad the nescac is.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Flying Weasel on November 20, 2011, 09:48:56 am
You're too much NHsocca1.  You want to crow about how good the NESCAC is every chance you get, but can't take a little ribbing when things don't turn out so well for the NESCAC teams.  And apparently it's got you so worked up that you can't read or think straight.  My post was two paragraphs, not three ;-) and it wasn't about how bad the NESCAC is.  Moreover, I think you are simply imagining Newport, Messiah, and SLU fans posting about the unfairness of soccer, because I haven't seen that (not that they'd be anything wrong with that, just as I have no problem with you guys saying you thought Amherst was better than Stevens).  Nor were the CNU, Messiah, and SLU fans talking beforehand about how good they were and how well they would do in the tournament.  And you see, that's the difference.  I would never have posted what I did if not for some of the things you guys had said before hand.  It's called banter and ribbing.  And if you're going to give, you have to be ready to get.  Btw, I had Amherst picked to win but since I didn't get to watch much of the match I don't have an opinion on the outcome.  I'm out.  You can have the last word.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: d3fan1 on November 20, 2011, 02:11:39 pm
Flying Weasel, your word is the last word!!! You are are one of the ultimate experts on D3 soccer!!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jim Matson on November 20, 2011, 10:21:27 pm
Well, yeah, he is. But that doesn't make him right all the time!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: jellybelly on November 21, 2011, 01:27:53 am
Flying Weasel, I agree with your comments and appreciate the tone with which you said them.  "Fair and balanced reporting".   :)  I have to say that over the years I have seen the same type of comments made about the women's Nescac teams.

A few years ago the Final Four on the ladies side consisted of Messiah, William Smith, Wheaton, and Williams.  In the semi-finals Wheaton beat Williams 3-1, and Messiah beat William Smith 3-0.  The final was a blow-out with Messiah beating Wheaton 5-0.  Afterwards there were posts (on a different site) about how Wheaton had such a tough game in the semi against Williams that they were worn out when it came time for the final and thus lost.  No credit to Messiah for being the better team that tournament.  :-\

Come to think of it, the Amherst men were in that Final Four and it was also the year that Messiah won in a shootout with their backup goalie in the net.  That was amazing!


Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jim Matson on November 21, 2011, 08:11:44 am
Well, I was there and yes, the Williams team was tough on Wheaton. But Messiah was a great team that season too.

The score might have ended at 3-0, but interestingly, Wheaton pulled most of their starters to give the reserves some "Final" game time. Messiah kept their top players in and continued to pound the goal. So 5-0 it was. No doubt that experience left a bad taste in someone's mouth, eh?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 2xfaux on November 21, 2011, 09:31:58 am
I am not sure why that 2008 women's game is a topic here but I do remember there were some feelings hurt.  The fact is, and the box score shows this, that Messiah played everyone they had and the final two Messiah goals were scored by non-starters.  Wheaton showed this year versus Wash U. why you keep the pressure on them until the game is over.  A rematch of those squads would be interesting but I think W-S and Ithaca will have something to say about that.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Flying Weasel on November 21, 2011, 02:50:35 pm
Let the record show that it was not I that turned the NESCAC thread into a Messiah thread.  What do you guys want to do: chase our NESCAC friends off the board?  I sure hope not, because I gotta say that I've enjoyed lurking in this thread all season long as it was a great source of info on NESCAC happenings.  I wish all regions and conferences had such a presence on this message board, for the same reason. 

Sound like the Stevens and Montclair St. fans thought Amherst had a sub-standard field for the sectional (bumpy and beat up as well as small).  Is this the norm there throughout the season, or was it just a end of season problem?  Certainly disappointing if field conditions did not allow technical ability to shine and unfairly prejudiced teams wanting to keep the ball on the ground.  I had heard earlier that Amherst had two game-quality fields and maybe a third, but reports from the weekend aren't flattering.  Besides a Final Four trip to Williams waaaaay back in 1993 when the ground was half frozen while flurries fell, I don't have any knowledge of the NESCAC schools' facilities.

Anyway of the three NESCAC tournament team's, who is in best shape for next year (that is, who loses the least)?  And what of those that did not go dancing?  Will Williams and Middlebury be fighting for top spot in 2011?  And Bowdoin?  Can they get back in the mix?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 2xfaux on November 21, 2011, 03:08:04 pm
Sorry we didn't mean to hijack this NESCAC thread which is always interesting.  Blame it on Jim.  He may be the moderator but he is also a Wheaton wacko. ;)  We will take our conflicts back to the women's side where it belongs.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: jellybelly on November 21, 2011, 03:40:37 pm
Oops.. I take the blame for hijacking this thread.  Sorry!  I'm from Amherst, follow both men's and women's soccer, and love D3!  Got carried away there.  Won't happen again... :)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 21, 2011, 04:13:51 pm
Fields:
Amherst usually is a nice grass field, small but not bumpy like it has been. I agree it was in awful condition at end of year as it didnt start out like that. They have field turf alternative.

Williams has the best field. It got flooded earlier this season and still held up pretty good. Always well manicured and very wide, it is a home advantage because Williams will force you to defend their possesion game and can get a weaker team tired out.One problem is is that it is in my opinion to far from campus. They also have field turf alternative but that is not a good surface.

Bowdoin has the next best field. Grass and good dimensions and always well manicured. Situated perfectly on campus they draw pretty well. They have field turf alternative.

Midd has a great field turf. They replaced there grass field about 6 years ago ( I was not in favor of it) but the field used to alwasy flood because it was at bottom of a hill. Best turf field in NESCAC.

Trinity-grass-middle of campus-a tad narrow. Not bad Avg field.

Bates-"See Trinity"

Hamilton- Since they just joined league I havent been there yet. Will get out there next year maybe.

Tufts- Annoying field located right next to football field and is always filled with whistles from other contests and just obnoxious PA, etc. The field is grass and narow.

Wes and Conn- Worst 2 fields in NESCAC. Horrible bumpy field conditions, middle of campus locations. Fans are the worst at these 2 schools. Narrow fields. BIG HOME advantage for tehse teams.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 21, 2011, 04:42:19 pm
2012:
Amherst- Lose Kaplan, Tebs, keeper and thats it. Heo, Noon, Sucre's, all back plus if Mooney red shirts this team will be dangerous. if you check 2012 Boys commits on espn they have a keeper from Jersey coming in with a good resume.He plays for St.Benedicts one of the best hs teams in country, so we will see.

http://espn.go.com/high-school/boys-soccer/commitments/story/_/id/7149850/2012-high-school-boys-soccer-ncaa-division-iii-verbal-commitments

Wes- They lose Paresi but not much else. They return Hazelett and Purdy and O'Niel and their D is back. They will always be a tough out as they are well organized defensively.

Trinity- They lose alot and they will not replace them quickly. They cannot replace Mayernick's goals, Buckley's work ethic and the keeper who played so well down the stretch. 3 KEY players gone plus the injured lax player Reilly. They will need others to step up or this team will drop down to .500.

Williams- They lose nothing except maybe Vestegaard, who played very well this year. Pugliese was a disappointment in his 4 years as he was highly touted coming out of hs. He worked very hard and ran and ran but would give the ball away to much. That was not one of Russo's best classes and could quite have been his worst or maybe this years So. is his worst. They need a goal scorer badly and could use a little more creativity in midfield to match up with teams of old.

Midd- They lose the absolute most. Pitney, Cahill, Calucci, Redmond, Macnee, i know im missing others but that was a good class. Midd known for reloading but Saward not a big recruiter as he lets the players come to him. He cannot afford to do that anymore as to many Nescac schools like Tufts and Conn are now heavily recruiting.

Bowdoin- They were so injured all year it was such a disappointment. Ive gone on and on about there injuries and keeeper issues and lackluster play. They lose a ton. Bishop, Powell, Nichols and Eddie Jones. 4 KEY memebers of that final four run. 4-7-3 I still cannot believe that.

Conn- They lose there whole D line, plus Oscar Brown one of their skill guys.Lets see who they get for recruits as they might be able to replace D and get a skilled player to replace Brown. What they really need is a goal scorer like they had 2 years ago in Prophet. Im a big fan of #10 Hormel and I liked there keeper when I saw them play but he is kind of short.

Colby-They dont lose much and return Meisel, a very good palyer. They lose keeper who was avg at best and Hendrickson but they can replace these guys. They could be ok next year.

Bates-This team loses keeper Watts who was avg and a cpl role players from an 0-10 squad. They return Murphy and a cpl others who are ok. Purgavie desperately needs a solid recruiting class as his job might be on the line pretty soon if they turn another 0-10 or 2-8 season in. This was not a happy place to be this year up in Lewiston,Maine.

Hamilton- Was disappointed with this team coming from Liberty League. I want to see how the coach changes his recruiting to fit Nescac. I will cut them some slack this year as they were feeling out the league but they should be doing better than 2-5-3 in league play.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 21, 2011, 04:46:23 pm
Sorry forgot Tufts- This coach is impressing everyone with his recruiting and this is the team of the future in this league. They can get players in thru admissions easier than some, its still a well regarded school academically, they have the most kids(4,000 undergrads) right outside Boston. Lots of ++++ for recruits. All they needed was a coach that cared, and Shapiro does. Good young blood. Santos is an absolute STAR and I hear he has a top goalscorer from new england preps coming in. This team needs a couple more building blocks,, but they are close
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NESoccr on November 21, 2011, 04:59:10 pm
amherst field was beat up.  don't know what it was like before.  someone said it's because they played in the snow during the bad storm.  another person sitting next to same guy said snow storm game plus 3 weekends of sat-sun killed field when they  hosted nescac and ncaas.  don't know about turf alternative.  field didn't seem so bad that couldn't play possession soccer.  good teams can play skilled soccer on dirt, so let's give it a break. 

hey weasel, as you know, soccer can be a cruel game, and i moaned about about results in messiah-newman and cnu-randolph, but not slu-oneota as that looks from boxscore and article like very even game. so, not a nescac thing at all.

amherst loses keeper, center back, and south african center mid, all very good and apparently 3-4 year starters.  tough to lose talent up the middle, but i gather team has guys on the bench and versatile starters who will fill shoes without much problem. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jim Matson on November 21, 2011, 06:32:08 pm
Wacko or not, I do like the NESCAC board. Yes I do.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: bigguy on November 21, 2011, 06:56:37 pm
Everyone likes the NESCAC board because they are so much fun to mess with  :D
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on December 16, 2011, 04:11:43 pm
Very interesting the only NESCAC players to make all-american was 2nd team Vestegaard and Rory O'Neil(who for some reason was added late )..How does the NESCAC POY NOON not get all-american, 15 goals etc etc. This really proves that coaches are shunning amherst program and not giving their players votes.BTW the POY is voted on by players not coaches. While its immature to take this out on the players one can see how much Serpone is disliked by his peers. That much is obvious.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on December 16, 2011, 04:14:21 pm
2011 NSCAA/Continental Tires NCAA Men's Division III All-America Team
First Team       
Pos. Name Class School Hometown
GK Steve O'Meara Sr. Luther Darien, Ill
D Alex Laird Jr. St. Lawrence Monroe, N.Y.
D Mark Lavery Sr. Oglethrope Woodstock, Ga.
D Sean Moriarty Jr. Christopher Newport Yorktown, Va.
M Cody Costakis Sr. Washington (Mo.) Edgewood, Wash.
M Sam  DeMello* Jr. St. Lawrence Easthampton, Mass.
M Zack  Garcia** Sr. Trinity (Texas) Dallas, Texas
F Eric Anderson* Jr. Babson Scituate, Mass.
F Brian Lybert Sr. Christopher Newport Honolulu, Hawaii
F David  Rosenthal So. St. Olaf Burnsville, Minn.
F Travis Wall* Sr. Ohio Wesleyan Columbus, Ohio
         
Second Team       
GK Nathan Sprenkel Sr. DePauw Zionsville, Ind.
D Curtis Fornarotto Sr. Drew Ewing, N.J.
D Michael Olson Sr. Luther Downers Grove, Ill.
D Phil Vestergaard Sr. Williams St. Petersburg, Fla.
D Niro Wimalase Sr. Case Western Mason, Ohio
M Alex Oesewin Sr. Thomas More Louisville, Ky.
M Cory Dobkins Sr. Ohio Northern Dublin, Ohio
M Rory O'Neill Jr. Wesleyan Silver Spring, Md.
M James Garcia-Prats So. Luther Houston, Texas
M Kristoffer Grahn Sr. North Park Tibro, Sweden
F Vinny  Bell* Sr. Case Western Parma Heights, Ohio
F Matt Fechter Jr. Colorado College Westfield, N.J.
F Jamal  Howard Sr. Albertus Magnus West Haven, Conn.
F Sam Meyer Sr. DePauw Northfield, Ill.
         
Third Team       
GK Peter  Crowly Sr. Babson Lexington, Mass.
D Kevin  Brown Sr. Montclair State Wayne, N.J.
D Miles Colago Sr. Calvin Anoka, Minn.
D Taylor Ferry Sr. Dickinson Wyndmoor, Pa.
D Jake Urbaniak Sr. Texas-Tyler Foresthill, Teas
M Jonathan Balfour Sr. DeSales London, England
M Micah  Rose* Sr. Swarthmore Williston, Vt.
M Dylan Stone Sr. Ohio Wesleyan Easton, Conn.
M Max  Walker Sr. Babson Newton, Mass.
F Eric Fortier Jr. Oneonta Pleasant Valley, N.Y.
F Winston Mattheisen** Sr. Christopher Newport Williamsburg, Va.
F Pat McLean Sr. Washington (Mo.) Kingswood, Texas
F Corey Sindle So. Randolph Gloucester, Va.
F Clint Vatterrodt Sr. Rose Hulman Bloomington, Ill.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Christan Shirk on December 17, 2011, 11:21:19 am
2nd Team All-American defender Phil Vestergaard (Williams) was only 2nd Team All-NESCAC?!?!?!?

So who got this one wrong--the conference or the NSCAA?

I understand that most conferences base their honors on only conference play, but to be one of 30-some All-Americans out of approaching 10,000 D-III soccer players, how could your performance in conference play (typically representing at a minimum 1/3 of your regular season) be such that you do not make 1st-Team all-conference, but your full-season performance gets you All-American recognition?  That just defies reason.  Deep, strong teams often have All-Region caliber players that do not make 1st Team all-conference, especially in the stronger, deeper conferences.  There's reasons for that.  I get it.  But an All-American caliber player not on the all-conference 1st Team?!?  Now something's wrong.

In the specific case of Vestergaard, Williams had a 10-game NESCAC regular season schedule  and their full season was only 16 games.  So for 10 or 16 games he wasn't on of the best 4 defenders in his conference, but in the additional 6 games he did enough to prove himself one of the 7 best defenders in the nation.  Just does NOT make sense.

Any thoughts?  Is he that good (AA caliber)?  If so, why do you think he only got 2nd team All-NESCAC.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on December 17, 2011, 12:41:08 pm
I would just like to say that La Paz did a real nice job as a newcomer to the soccer boards this season!!!!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Christan Shirk on December 17, 2011, 04:15:37 pm
How does the NESCAC POY NOON not get all-american, 15 goals etc etc. This really proves that coaches are shunning amherst program and not giving their players votes.BTW the POY is voted on by players not coaches. While its immature to take this out on the players one can see how much Serpone is disliked by his peers. That much is obvious.

However, Amherst had two players make All-Region who weren't 1st Team All-NESCAC.  Jae Hoe and Alejandro Sucre made 2nd Team All-New England North despite only being 2nd Team All-NESCAC.  So that runs counter to your suggestion of anti-Serpone (anti-Amherst) voting in general (beyond the NESCAC coaches). 

Also, Spencer Noon did make 1st Team All-New England North.  At that point, I'm not sure how many of Serpone's peers have anything to do with the decisions of which All-Region 1st teamers are selected as All-Americans.  I must admit ignorance on how that works, but I had the impression that was decided by the national NSCAA D-III All-American committee (that is, all the regional chairs). 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on December 17, 2011, 08:58:58 pm
NSCAA D3 Committee has Jon Anderson on committee..he is one of serpones peers even if in different leagues.  Babson has 3 thats 3 All-Americans. His son is def one but the other two are avg players. Max Walker a decent player not AA and personally the goalie I thought was the weak link. Either way something is up.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NHsocca1 on December 17, 2011, 11:51:12 pm
just saw the AA's.  Don't think just amherst got shafted but the entire nescac.  how are there 3 babson players as AA, but 2 nescac reps?

Vesteguard from Williams? think he's a good player but surprised he is an AA.  Good to see O'neil get it, thought he had a good year

as far as voting, amherst had 5 guys on all-nescac teams including nescac POY (noon), and 4 guys all-region. if anything I thought they got plenty of votes and might have even be over-represented until the AA's. if there was an anti-amherst vote, it would have showed up in all-nescac, not AA. give the coaches more credit than that.

how about cahill and bishop? first team AA's last year and nothing this year.  seems like the process is messed up.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: D3SoccerEnthusiast on December 20, 2011, 06:53:30 pm
Hello All -

I have been perusing these boards all year, didn't see fit to attempt to post until now. The NSCAA All-American team, especially with regard to NESCAC players, seems off. 2 NESCAC players, none on the 1st team? Either there is something wrong about the NSCAA All-American process, or this league is under-represented.

Vesteguard is a good NESCAC defender, but he was not even voted the best defender on Williams for the All-Conference team. When you are a 2nd-team All-NESCAC defender, the system has to be flawed if you also make 2nd team All-American. Additionally, the Williams soccer team did not even make the NCAA tournament, this is extremely disappointing as there were other worthy defenders in the region (Trinity's Buckley, Williams' Ratajczak).

Rory O'Neill of Wesleyan was the only choice the coaches got right. He had a great year, Wesleyan had a good year. Scoring midfielder that played on both sides of the ball, especially in the air.

Amherst's Noon and Tsatsimpe seem left out. Amherst finishes as the top-ranked New England team, yet does not manage a single AA? Meanwhile, Babson registers 3 AA even though they finish below Amherst in the regional rankings.

Noon leads one of the toughest conferences in the nation in scoring and does not make any team? I cannot remember a year when the NESCAC POY did not make 1st Team All-American.

Would also like to see more representation from Trinity in the AA team. Buckley and Schoenburg were great for the league's best defense all year, yet they do not get any love? Seems wrong.

Either way, once again the NESCAC showed they are one of the toughest leagues in the nation. While the NSCAA did not seem to highlight this, many soccer fans across New England realize this.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on January 19, 2012, 09:33:53 am
Update:
Quietly Bates has "promoted" George Purgavie to a new role of supervising both mens and womens soccer programs. A younger English assistant gets the head coaching job for the men. After a season from hell and a 0-10 Nescac record, I do not think this move suprised anyone. I give Purgavie credit for having some good teams in the middle of this decade but it became clear at the end he had lost some interest and lost his team as well.  I do not understand not having a nationwide search for the job as there are some great D1 assistants and D3 Head coaches / assistants that would have jumped at this opportunity. Instead they just hand the reins over to the assistant. Wish the new coach good luck as I am sure he will find out like Purgavie did a long time ago that Bates might be the toughest school in Nescac to recruit for.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 19, 2012, 12:09:38 pm
Early Pre-Season Poll-Just a Quick one-1-2 Notes...Will do a more precise one after rosters are set Sept 1st

1. Amherst-Still best talent and the weakest out of conference schedule maybe in history. Lose a few key players but replacable
2. Williams-Lose very little. Good freshman class coming in, especially kid from Hotchkiss / Ghana. Still no true goal scorers
3. Tufts-Great freshman class coming in to join Santos. Lose very few players, first game at Midd should give good indication
4. Wesleyan-They lose some decent players and always find a way to replace them.Toughest out of conference schedule.
5. Middlebury- They lose an abundant amount of good players. One + is a favorable conference home schedule
6. Bowdoin- The true unknown. After last years debacle and losing 3-4 good players and still no goalkeeping.
7. Conn College-The coach turning things around. Still no true goal scoring threat and they lose whole defensive line.
8. Colby-Slepper team. Meisel can get them some wins but he needs help. Maybe some frosh or improved play from upperclass
9. Trinity-Besides Midd they lose an abundant of talent and goalscoring and leadership. This team will drop considerably.
10. Hamilton-Wasnt impressed last year.one + is  favorable nescac home schedule with less travel. Def Unknown here
11. Bates-Coahing change will invegorate players I would hope. Murphy a gret talent but he needs help.Brutal schedule to start
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on September 03, 2012, 10:44:50 am
Nice analysis, LaPaz. 

Good article on incoming Amherst frosh Forest Sisk, which talks generally about the adjustment from high school to college soccer:

http://www.boston.com/sports/schools/soccer/articles/2012/08/16/lincoln_sudbury_grad_sisk_determined_to_be_an_impact_player_on_the_pitch_at_amherst/

Amherst is absolutely loaded with goal scorers this year, and could really dominate the conference so long as they find a capable keeper (I imagine they brought in a big time recruit in this department).  I agree re: Williams, Ephs should have a stingy defense led by two very experienced keepers and all-American defender Ratajczak plus emerging defender Burbank-Crump, but they will need their leading scorer to have a LOT more than four goals this season to contend for an NCAA spot.  Hopefully the frosh you mention can help out, Kushaina can continue to improve (in the season preview Russo was saing he expected him to double his goal output, he has the ability if he gets more chances), Ebobisse who can really create offense will finally stay healthy (plagued by injuries throughout his time at Williams), and at least one from the Lima/Grady/Kastner group will emerge as a consistent scoring threat. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on September 07, 2012, 07:24:12 am
Congrats to Coach Russo on his (incredibly) 400th career win!  A living legend.  Early returns indicate that Rashid may be the goal scorer that Williams desperately needs, as he scored both Eph goals in his first collegiate game, and led the team, by a wide margin, in shots.  He has an interesting background and is prominently featured in this article:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=ghanasoccer
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 07, 2012, 12:39:53 pm
First Week Predictions - Always tough

Bowdoin vs Wes- 2-1- New year and fresh start for Bowdoin. Got Eddie Jones back on a injury waiver and that should help. Still will be interested to see goalkeeping issues and team cohesion after last years disaster. This is Wesleyan's year they did not lose much and have added some decent freshman to the mix. Tough game to open the season for both teams. I wouldn't be suprised if my prediction is turned around in favor of Wes but I give Bowdoin home field adv. Would be a good one to watch and wish I was going to this one.

Williams vs Bates-3-1- Williams def the real deal with frosh Rashid. He scores goals and works very hard. He is not the only piece to the puzzle as they are strong in net with 2 solid keepers and have solid depth in midfield. Christman leads by his play and strong work ethic. They have Ratachuck back to lead the inexperienced defense along side him. Rumor has it that inexperience led to Westfield State's first goal. With Rashid, teams will have to pay more attention to him which will give plenty of opportunity for others like Ebbobise and User. Bates comes in with a new coach and new approach. Same result. Murphy is the big danger on this team. Maybe some frosh and others will help but I dont think they get a result on this day.
 
Conn vs Colby- 0-0  I do not know much yet about these two teams yet. Big fan of Meisel for Colby and if there is an edge I favor Colby because of him. Conn lost its whole backline and had limited scoring to begin with. Lets hope some frosh and others can step up.

Midd vs Tufts- 1-2 This is the game I am watching closely. Tufts is young and hungry and with Santos and some very good frosh coming in they will be very tough to beat. Midd lost the most players of any Nescac team and I believe will only have an average year at best. They are excellent at home and Tufts has a long trip up to VT but this is my "upset" special.

Hamilton vs Trinity- 2-0 This score reflects the players Trinity has lost to graduation, not Hamilton's overall talent level.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on September 09, 2012, 08:26:49 am
Bowdoin loses at home to Wesleyan, 2-0.
Hamilton hosts Trinity to a 2-1 win, despite a Trinity own goal.
Williams beats Bates, 2-0.
Conn ties Colby, 0-0 2OT.
Middlebury loses at home to Tufts, 2-0.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 14, 2012, 07:20:40 pm
2nd Week Predictions:
Sorry been busy and gotta be fast

Wes vs Tufts-    1-1  Interesting matchup. Havent seen Tufts yet. Wes is playing like they want to make a run in NCAA's.

Wes vs Hamilton 1-0 Hamilton is much improved and if you take them lightly they will burn you. Abbot up front has speed and they have figured to attack with 4 and defend with 6 in Nescac to pick up some points.

Conn vs Hamilton 0-0 Read Hamilton above, however they play better at home and with long travel these games I could be wrong. Have yet to see Conn play but sith Colby;s midweek 3-0 loss to Husson that 0-0 first week tie with them is looking worse and worse. Who is scoring the goals for this Conn team.

Colby vs Midd  2-1  I believe Midd is way down this year. Colby will bounce back from a serious mid-week drubbing and I like how they play as they try to pass the ball on the carpet withMeisel running the show. Midd has a captain starting that played maybe 20 minutes in 3 years. Not a good sign.

Trinity vs Williams 0-1 Trinity has been Williams nemesis for the past 4-5 years and even knocked them out of the tournament last year, but Mayernick and Buckley and keeper are gone. Williams just to much talent to lose this game and trinity while they have some good attacking players in the El-Hachem brothers and wingers they other midfielders are weak and their backline is slow and inexperienced. Not sure if the keeper has been tested yest but he is a big boy at 6'3.

Bates vs Amherst 0-3 Amherst just to much talent and experience.

Bates vs Trinity 1-2  Battle of Nescac's 2 worst teams I believe. Trinity comes out on top with better attacking options and threats.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescacsoccer on September 15, 2012, 10:54:25 am
the first game, wesleyan hosting tufts, is the best and best interesting to me.  tufts seems to have been getting a little better each of the past three years.  beating wesleyan in middletown would show they are real this year.  wesleyan has two wins already, but I'm not sure either was really a quality opponent (I think bowdoin might be in line for another tough year 8 goals against southern maine notwithstanding) ill say tufts does it 1-0.

it is a big weekend for hamilton to show that they can hang with nescac teams. their first of two road games and arguably the  most difficult away fields has them at conn.  i think conn get by them 2-1.

sadly for hamilton, if my first prediction is right, theyll be playing a a weslayen team coming off a loss.  tough spot. wesleyan 2-0.

middlebury might be down, but colby is worse.  midd 2-0.

williams is a very interesting team to me this year.  what do they say about quarterbacks? if you think you have two quarterbacks, you probably have none.  I don't like the switching of the goalies.  have the better one win the spot and stick with him. User and Mohammed can be a dangerous duo leading the attack.  i like williams here.  1-0.

huge talent gap here, but the same was true last year and it was one of amherst's closest games of the season. amherst has a freshman goalie, but if he proves to be solid this is going to be another impressive year for amherst.  im not sure anyone will be able to come close to putting up the goal numbers amherst will, so many options.  only three important players lost from last year.  they're coming out firing i believe 4-1.

lastly, bates gets off what would be a 14 games NESCAC losing streak if they drop it to Amherst but taking down Trinity in a high scoring affair 4-3.




 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 15, 2012, 03:59:07 pm
Amherst beats Bates 2-0 at Bates on a bright, but windy day that may have impact the long kicks for both sides.  It was 0-0 at the half.  Both freshman goalies played well.  Amherst dominated the time of possession and shots on goal.  Bates' goalie turned away many of the shots.  Both sides had injuries with players leaving the field.  FY Amherst player taken off the field and went to get his wrist/arm looked t on a golf cart. Bates' player Lin helped off the field late in the game with an ankle injury.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on September 16, 2012, 02:03:17 pm
Colby-Midd was an outstanding, very entertaining evenly played D-III game, with both sides playing attractive soccer.  Midd wins in OT when Colby defender (who was not really under pressure) steps on ball and falls down in box, leaving it for a Midd attacker who fires off bar and then rebound headed into open net.  Tough way to lose.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 17, 2012, 11:10:18 am
Monday Nescac Bantering.....Bowdoin excellent out of conference win aganist Babson. Not sure if it will hurt Babson as much as it might help Bowdoin if they can ever get some Nescac wins. A win at Midd on Sat would be a good start. I feel like I have been saying the same names for Bowdoin for 5-6 years, Eddie Jones, Hunter Clark, Call Nichols (where is he btw?), Gale, Danessart, Brewster, etc. Just joking but with all this talent and 3 str8 shutouts and disciplined defense they should be a tough out. Congrats to Bates for getting its first point since 2010 in Nescac aganist a most def tired Trinity bunch after saturday's game vs Williams. Now we will be looking for Bates first win in Nescac since a 1-0 win over Midd in Oct of 2010. Looking at the schedule and the play of this years Bates team I am having a hard time finding that win for Bates.Schedule makers have not been nice to Trinity as they have 3 seperate trips up to Maine. I picked the Tufts at Wesleyan game to go see live on Saturday. Tufts won the game and are sitting at 3-0 but after seeing their goalkeeper live I am absolutely convinced they will not be making a NCAA run unless some other keeper is injured. Tufts might have the worst goalkeeping in Nescac as he was bobbling balls and making high school keeper mistakes. However, it is a shame because I like the rest of their team. Sam Williams and company on defense are above average and obv Santos and Hoppenot can score for them. They need an answer in goal and fast although 2 great road wins at Wes and Midd. Wesleyan deserved at least a point on Saturday as they had many chances to tie that game up. I think I will go to either Williams v Wes or Midd v Bowdoin on sat. Speaking of Williams, 4-0 is a great start and I know they play a 4-3-3 but they seem a little out of shape or sorts in midfield. Muralles a great player and Ebobisse a great passer of the ball and a great left foot but they are both out of shape and cannot play 90 minutes. They and Amherst have the most dangerous attacking 3 in Nescac. Frosh Rashid and Junior User are the real deals up front. ALso, to u Williams' people out there what is up with Burbank-Crump? starting left back last year, I liked him there thought he was a tad slow but a great player out of Brooks School. Now he is down to garbage time and looks about 15-20 pounds out of shape. Im sure Russo loved to see that in pre-season. Amherst has been well Amherst....thumping the ball from the back and attacking with the best trio in Nescac and scoring goals. I saw they out shot Bates 26-1, unreal. Our Colby fan informed us of the bad luck they had aganist Midd, but failed to inform us why his team did not show up on the road aganist a lesser side in HUsson and got dropped 3-0.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on September 17, 2012, 03:01:53 pm
LaPaz, no excuse for Colby's 0-3 v. Husson.  They wrongfully assumed an easy victory was in store, and did not put in the necessary effort.  Also did not help that they hit the woodwork 4 times.  Husson does have a flip thrower who can throw 50 yards and several 6'-3" types, which makes them dangerous on throw ins and corners (on which they scored one of each).
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescacsoccer on September 19, 2012, 02:06:43 pm
I was only able to tune into the second half of the Amherst/Bates game when it was already 1-0.  Bates may have had the ball on Amherst's side of the field for one minute total in the last 30 or so minutes ofthe game, and never held possession there (that also was aided by the fact that Amherst had a strong wind at their back).  I didn't think Amherst was overly impressive though.  They struggled to connect passes it seemed, and none of their shots were that threatening from what I saw.  The one goal was just because both Alejandro and Federico Sucre are tremendous in the air (it happened to be Federico who put that one in).  I think amherst still has attacking talent, but they need a cog in the midfield to put it all together if they want to live up to the lofty ranking they currently hold.

I'm interested, LaPaz, what happens with Tufts' goalie.  They seem to have their teams since I started following the NESCAC (about five years ago). Looking back at your preseason you have Amherst, Williams, Tufts as the top three.  I agree, but could see any possible order between them.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 21, 2012, 09:51:44 pm
Sat Predictions:

Williams v Wes 2-1  I give Williams the home field Adv. Key to the game will be if Williams can finish their chances.

Tufts v Colby  2-0 Im still waiting for goals aganist Tufts, not with Colby's anemic offense.

Midd v Bowdoin 0-0 Im thinking a predictable whack it long and chase game here.

Amherst v Hamilton 4-0 Rumor has it Hamilton is banged up with injuries.

Trinity v Conn 0-1 Conn gets hard fought road win but no doubt this will be a battle.

Sunday:

Williams v Conn 1-1 I bet Williams prepping for Wes all week and forgeting about Conn.

Midd v Amherst 1-0 My upset special. Amherst long saturday ride plays right into Midd's hands unless Amherst can score early and often on Hamilton the day before and rest everyone and Midd does have a battle with Bowdoin. Tough call

Trinity v Tufts  1-2 Tufts Santos squeeze's a late game winner
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 23, 2012, 04:42:42 pm
Amherst had a 2-0 record for the weekend.  They won at home against Hamilton 5-1. Amherst's shutout streak ends.
Today, in Vermont, it was a 2-0 win against Midd.  As the announcers stated, the physical Amherst team played hard against a physical Panther team but the skill level won out.  First score at around the 38th minute with the 2nd goal coming around the 81th min.  Several group pushing events to close out the game.  Amherst's depth won the game.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on September 23, 2012, 04:52:19 pm
LaPaz, don't feel discouraged. It's fun, and we all like that you put it out there.

So Williams went scoreless against Wesleyan. Notable were the Ephs' 24 fouls to Wes's 8. Guess the refs weren't homers?
(Williams is certainly outscoring their opponents in fouls: 22-4 vs. Trinity last weekend and 25-12 vs. Hamilton earlier that week. Does this reflect the personality of the team? Tactics?)

Tufts still undefeated but hit a skid of sorts this weekend with evens vs. Colby, 0-0, and Trinity, 1-1.

Midd hosted a winless weekend, blanked by Bowdoin and Amherst (no upset, despite the long bus ride for the Jeffs ;)).

Amherst still revving. Ugly game at Middlebury but got 'er done. Outscored opponents, 7-1, on the weekend. Scoring a lot from the air. Got a glimpse of the future with all healthy freshman on the field together in later stage of the match vs. Hamilton.

Surprised by Trinity's 3-0 result against Conn?

Anyone see any games to provide insight?


Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescacsoccer on September 23, 2012, 10:59:28 pm
the strongest impression i came away from this weekend is the league doesn't seem to be as deep as i expected.  amherst and williams might make this a two horse race.  middlebury is way down this year.  bates, hamilton, conn college (and probably colby) are going to seriously struggle getting points off anyone but each other. I am not convinced about bowdoin or trinity either. that leaves wesleyan and tufts.  i said in the last post that amherst williams and tufts could finish 1-2-3 in any order, but what an uninspiring pair of results tufts got this weekend.  i think it was reasonable to expect at least four points from tufts.  tufts and wesleyan fall just behind amherst and williams in my eyes.

having said all that, amherst and williams each seems to be in a really good place this year.  both have  a stingy defense and potent, diverse offense. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 25, 2012, 09:22:59 am
Tuesday bantering....The league is def not as deep and games are becoming defensive slugfests. Ugly soccer to be honest. Even the notorious attractive playing Williams is prob leading the league in fouls. YES FOULS. That tells me they are out of shape or just are not tackling. Good luck aganist Amherst if your going to foul 20-25 times in that game you are playing right into there hands with the set pieces. Teams are getting banged up and these back to back games are just brutal. Amherst schedules 4 of the weakest teams in New England as non-conf games to ease the players playing time and injury woes. That said Williams and Amherst have the best teams because they have the best depth. They can withstand 2-3 injuries and fill in. Wesleyan subs alot but there depth is weaker and a team like Hamilton had so many injuries this past weekend aganist Amherst the coach was playing frosh for the first time. Depth is a factor for sure. Conn suprising 2 3-0 defeats. i think they are better than that. I like there backline and Hawkey and Hormel  and Marganzani are good players. There issue along with Tufts is Goalkeeping. 2 worst keepers in legaue at Tufts and Conn from what I have seen and they will kill there teams. Really only good goalkeepers in the league are Purdy and both keepers at Williams. Trinity keeps suprising me with results as El-hachem is putting team on his back and they are getting some goals from there front players. Mayernick would score the key 90th minute or OT goal but these guys can score so maybe they can hang in there. Bates and Colby just the 2 worst teams in the league. Colby and Bates 4 Nescac games and 0 goals. Midd 4 Nescac games and 1 goal and maybe 8 shots on goal all weekend. Just bad bad stuff. Midd coach looks as dis-interested as Purgavie did at Bates in the end. He needs to start recruiting. Any Midd athletic team should nnot be 1-3 in Nescac.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bucket on September 26, 2012, 05:59:27 pm
I think we need to add a little context for Midd's early season struggles. Depth was going to be a factor for Midd this year, and the Panthers could ill afford to lose players to significant injury, but that is what has happened. Three starters are out with knee injuries. One (Redmon) is done for the year, another (Portman) has yet to play, and the third (Smith, a starter since his freshman year) is out indefinitely.


Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 27, 2012, 09:19:28 pm
Every team has to deal with injuries, point is why does Midd not have the depth to replace these players. I could see a Conn or Bates not being able to but not a good enough excuse. Also, Smith is a back and Porter and the other kid are not top quality players. They are good but does not account for there lack of goals.

Sat:

Bowdoin v Conn 1-0 Just a complete guess here. I actually think Conn is better than they are playing but have been awful on the road. Bowdoin is 5-1 with road wins over Babson and Midd and 3 cupcake wins. Will they actually come out and try to play aganist Conn instead of playing 4 deep in the back in front of a very average goalkeeper? Conn has been playing a 4-3-3 with Hawkey making dangerous runs up front but no one able to deliver him a decent ball. Conn has some fast backs and I do believe this will be closer than last weekends games for Conn but still a loss.

Hamilton v Bates 2-0 A must win for both teams as a loss will most likely eliminate them from the Nescac tournament. I have seen both play and like Hamilton better especially at home as long as they are injury free. Bates has no weapons upfront except Murphy on set pieces but he is playing kinda lazy this year it seems to me. Hamilton has better scoring weapons and there #18 wins everything in the air in midfield.

Colby v Trinity 0-0 Trip #2 for Trinity upto Maine and I am picturing one of those games with 9 total shots and no goals. Trinity the better team but can they sneak one in the back of the net. This is a must win for Colby I think, I will give them credit as rumor has it they should have beaten Tufts last weekend but couldnt finish some golden chances. Can they get there first Nescac goal in this game? Will Meisel be battling El-Hachem in midfield? Must win for Trinity if they want to stay in the top 4-5 slots as there end of year schedule is brutal.

Tufts v Amherst 1-3 Big big game for both teams. I like Amherst weapons up front to much and do not like Tufts keeper. Thats a bad match. Serious size advantage for Amherst. It is homecoming so there will be a big crowd and maybe Tufts can catch Amherst off-guard. They can certainly score aganist them as Santos and the quick Hoppenot can beat Amherst's slow defense as I heard one of the Sucre brothers is playing back there now due to injury. He is slow. Will frosh keeper get rattled down in Medford? Prob not

Wes v Midd 3-1 I like Wes in this game with a huge home field adv and crowd to boot. Better weapons upfront, more subbing and one of the most efficient and conservative and well coached defenses in the league. Kinda reminds me of the old Midd squads that once was.

Sunday:

Tufts v Bates 3-0  So an 8 hr bus ride to upstate NY and then a 5 hr bus ride to Boston. I would put my house on this victory for Tufts. Will Bates even show up? Literally.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescacsoccer on September 28, 2012, 02:39:30 pm
I agree that injuries aren't an excuse.  Amherst will be starting their fourth string center for the third game in a row this weekend.  Granted one of those games was a meaningless non-conference joke.  The expectation at midd should be that they can sustain a few injuries and stay afloat.

LaPaz, I have't seen Tufts' goalie, but he has only let in two all year and has the highest save percentage.  Why are you so down on him?

This is what I'm expecting this weekend...

Bowdoin will handle Conn relatively easily, though the tallies won't reflect the tenor of the game.  Bowdoin is going to out shoot Conn at a little better than 2:1 but the final will be 1-0.

Hamilton and Bates play each other in what is probably each team's only strong chance at a win this year.  I have no idea which of these teams is better.  Just because life is ironic, i see it at 1-1.

 
What to make of Trinity this year? They sit fourth in the standing but without any really impressive results.  Interestingly they were outshot in their win against Hamilton and got three goals on seven shots against Conn.  Not to harp on a point I've already made, but this seems like a really down year for the league.  I find myself thinking about who isn't as bad in most of the games.  I think trinity isn't as bad.  It's difficult to pick a team that has't score a conference goal. Colby ends that tomorrow, but doesn't get a win. 2-1.

Finish off Saturady with the two better games of the weekend.

I see a bit of a barn burner here.  Tufts really has a chance to do something this year if they can get three points out of this game.  I think Amherst is vulnerable down the middle of their defense.  They start a inexperienced sophopmore and now a converted midfielder in their center back spots.  Can Tufts attack through the middle? Caslin has stepped in nicely into the holding sport and bring a sense of calm to the field for them.  Satnos and Hoppenot need big games.  I think Amherst gets it though 3-2.

Even with the all that's been said about Middlebury, I dont think they will stay down.  They've lost against each of their quality opponents.  Wesleyan is certainly a quality oppenent and is very strong at home.  I like Midd 1-0 just because sometime things dont go as you expect.

Lastly, this game could be a big trap for Tufts.  Emotional let down from either a big win or crush defeat.  Either I think Bates has a chance to get points from them.  Unfortunately they're Bates.  In what will be the sloppiest game of the weekend, Tufts 2-0.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 28, 2012, 04:36:36 pm
I guess I am basing this Tufts keeper thing on only one game at Wesleyan. They beat Wesleyan 2-1 but wow did he look shaky. Bobbling balls, missing crosses, coming way out of his net, etc. Maybe i am being to unfair. I believe the defense in front of him is better than average and that also helps him. I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Maybe just a really bad game? If he shuts down the potent Amherst offfense, I will not mention it again. Maybe a Tufts fan on this site who sees him game in and game out can lend us some insight.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 29, 2012, 05:32:18 pm
Amherst beats Tufts 2-0 in Melford.  Same score at the half.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on September 29, 2012, 10:15:03 pm
LaPaz, Tufts' keeper anticipates well and gets his hands to ball but does tend to box away when he could/should catch and hold. Didn't see the first goal but heard the ball was served to the box from a throw-in, and it bounced in the box and was headed home. Maybe someone who saw it can say whether it was within the keeper's range (the six). Second goal was a well stroked pk that caught the keeper guessing the opposite way. Stupid foul in box, catching the Amherst attacker facing away from the goal. Tufts had a chance to score on a pk, but Santos looked casual on the approach and hit it off the left post. Amherst's keeper looks like the real deal.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 30, 2012, 11:45:57 am
Jump4Joy....the write-up by Tufts posted on the Amherst website just states that Amherst's leading scorer headed it in after a strong throw in into the box.  Seems to me that the goaltender was in the wrong place.
Since you post on the women's board.....would you be someone that has two kids playing for Amherst....one on the men's team and one on the women's team?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 01, 2012, 05:04:34 pm
amh63, I might ask the same question of you!  ;D
The men and women have been playing back-to-back, so if you see one game, you can see both fairly easily. Also, it's exciting to see two local teams who are nationally ranked and still undefeated.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 01, 2012, 05:22:16 pm
Jump4Joy.....Well, I know that there are recent family connections existing on the teams.   I do have three kids that finished at Amherst....but that was before the turn of the century....One girl and two boys.  I'm glad that they do not follow this board....being referred to them as kids!  All are married and living lives of consequences as Amherst likes to put it.
I am a fan of S. Noon and follow the women players from Md.....where I reside.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 01, 2012, 06:59:06 pm
Glad to hear good things about your graduates. Noon's numbers are impressive. He certainly finds all kinds of ways to give his team the chance to win. Word is, he didn't grow up playing club soccer; for me, that makes his success all the more impressive.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 02, 2012, 10:31:41 am
Probably true about Noon.  I heard about him as a basketball and soccer player.  Met his parents in a NCAA game in York, PA.  He had an injury during his FY...mouth area that slowed his entrance to the MBB team.  Injuries during his soccer play in his next two years prevented him to join the MBB team.  His father was a star MBB star for the U. of Hartford and his older brother played BB...so it is not surprising that he may not have been a club soccer player. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 02, 2012, 10:07:52 pm
Amherst beat Lesley in Cambridge tonight 6-0.  It was 5-0 at the half.  Both sides inserted plenty of subs....Amherst starters came out early since they have a key game this weekend with Williams.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 03, 2012, 01:35:38 pm
ridiculous out of conference scheduling for some of these Nescac schools. As a player for Amherst how is that of any use to play Lesley and Curry and outshoot them by 30-1 or whatever. It has become a joke. Wesleyan, Williams and Trinity have kept decent out of conference schedules. The Maine schools I can understand the travel issue but the rest should be ashamed.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 03, 2012, 03:51:19 pm
Last night games by all the "CAC" teams were large wins by soccer scores.  The Curry team went to the NCAA last season.  Curry has a good record coming into the game....and in their conference.  They have several good players on the team.  One Curry player holds the scoring record for the school and one of their FY players made Rookie of the Week las week. 
Amherst needs to give game experience to their younger players and new goal keepers.  Remember Amherst starts a freshman in the goal.  Last night, he played for a half and another young inexperience goalkeeper was in for the second half.
Last season's game between the two teams was scoreless for 35 minutes or more, 2-0 at the half and 4-0 at the finish.  As stated earlier, still Curry was a tournament team.
Lighten up LaPaz.  There are many reasons coaches schedule schools....one reason is NOT to have a seemingly mismatch coming into a new season.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 03, 2012, 10:06:22 pm
That is the biggest joke of an argument on this board. Curry's NCAA appearance may have been due to being in the weakest league in New England, to be honest I do not even remember them qualifying. Actually, I am wrong Lesley is in the weakest league. Either way I will not waste my time arguing this.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 05, 2012, 11:25:33 am
Sat Predictions:

Midd v Hamilton- 1-0 While I think Hamilton has improved this year and played teams tougher than last year, I do not see them garnering a point in this game. They play way better at home than on the road. That’s not to say I would lay any money on this one. They can still attack with some decent players and Midd's defense is the worst I have seen it in a long time. Knisley is big and ok as a CB but their wingbacks and other CB are average and can be beaten. A set piece wins this game sometime in the 2nd half for Midd. Either Knisley gets to a corner with his head or Alvand heads a free kick in.

Amherst v Williams- 1-1  This game is a matchup of 2 teams trying to impose 2 different styles on each other. Whichever team manages to do this more effectively wins the game. I see both teams being able to do this throughout the game and for that reason I see a draw in this one. Amherst a huge size advantage on set pieces but Williams has a speed advantage and that is why I do not see them fouling as much as they have. It will be interesting to see who Russo gives the nod to in goal for this game. I think Finan is more courageous and a tougher kid than Morrell.  Also, I question both teams inexperienced backlines on how they handle each other's very good attacking players. Expect a big crowd at this game as Amherst football is on the road.

Colby v Bowdoin- 0-2  Colby still looking for its first Nescac goal. Not in this game. Bowdoin wants revenge for last year and Brewster wins everything in the air. The only chance is if Bowdoin looking past this one and thinking Williams on Sunday.

Bates v Wesleyan- 0-2 Wesleyan to strong defensively for Bates to get any great chances on net. Wesleyan have better weapons going forward and they need 6pts this weekend to stay in the Nescac trophy hunt. Bates cannot play to defensive as they are running out of games to get points from to try to sneak into that 8th spot. It is not going to happen in this game.

Conn v Tufts- 0-0  Interesting game here. Conn looking to break Nescac record for 0-0 games in a year. Conn has injuries as I have not seen O'Brien in the lineup for a while and he is a factor for them. They have back to back's at home so they need to sub players more than usual I would think. It is tough to break them down especially on that sh*t field at home. Tufts has been my inconsistent team this year to predict. They have some great wins and then your expectations rise and they tie Colby and Trinity back to back.

Sun Predictions:

Bowdoin v Williams- 0-1 Williams gets out of here with a slim victory. After back to backs on the road with Amherst and Bowdoin, I will not be suprised to see the injury list grow for Williams.

Colby v Wesleyan- 0-1 No way Colby scores on this defense. Wesleyan will have a tougher game here than the day before but still come out victorious.

Conn v Midd - 2-0 Midd will have a long travel day after Sat game with Hamilton. They will not be able to break down Conn's defense at Conn and will have trouble I think defending them. I see Conn getting a goal or 2 and a much needed first victory in this one.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 08, 2012, 10:52:44 pm
Monday bantering....Williams and Amherst played to a scoreless draw but Amherst imposed their style of play on the game and could have won the game 3-0. The ball was in Williams' defensive end for long stretches at a time. Amherst had the ball in the air for most of the game and controlled about 90% of headers. There size advantage was to much for Williams to handle. #4 Sucre must of had about 30 flick on's and about half of them landed on #9 Noon's foot. Noon was the most dangerous player on the day as he had a couple great chances at goals but could not finish. Amherst had some dangerous corners but there most dangerous part of their game are their 2 long throwers #15 Fikke and #20 Lerner. They must of had about 15-20 long throws in the game from both sides of the field and Williams' defense was under constant pressure from the start. #4 Sucre and #2 Sucre both at 6'5 and defender #12 at 6'4 controlled the game off each long throw and Noon, #23 Mooney and #19 Heo seemed to be in the right spots when the ball dropped but to Williams' credit they weathered the storm as best they could. #5 Ratachuck really is their only tall guy in the back at 6'4 but their keeper Finan kept Williams in the game with a couple big saves. Really though Williams snuck out of town with a point as they might of had 3 or 4 decent chances as their speed was neutralized by a grasss field that hadnt been mowed in maybe a month. A smart tactic for playing a Williams team that loves to keep the ball on the ground and use their team speed to beat you. They really did nothing in attack and that is a shame as Amherst' frosh keeper looked a bit awkward at times coming out of his net and just his overall demeanor. My guess is he hasnt really been tested all year and one team you would think would do that is Williams. Of course, Amherst coaches were yelling and screaming all game and acting crazy, Serpone got a yellow card 2 minutes in as it seemed the ref had dealt with him before and was not going to take any sh*t this game. Another pretty dirty play was when Williams sent a player to defend the long thrower on the right up to the out of bounds line #15 Fikke threw it right into his chest. A pretty dirtbag thing to do and he got carded for it. I believe the college rulebook allows opposing players to stand right in front of throwers, so the Williams player had every right to be there. Anyway, Amherst should be disappointed with a tie in this one but it is quite possible these 2 teams will meet again......My saturday predictions all turned out correct, not the scores exactly but the results. Colby still has no league goals in 6 games. They had the same team coming back from a average side last year and to be honest you hope for improvement and it has gotten ugly. I was expecting some better results, I have heard they have been a bit unlucky but you are what your record says you are. Conn has 5 ties in 7 games and without there 2 3-0 losses back to back to Trinity and Williams they have let up 3 goals in 5 games.Wesleyan has 5 shutouts in a row and let up 2 league goa;s all year in the same game. Amherst has let up 1 league goal and that will not change tmrw as they play Trinity and will win and shut them out. STINGY STINGY defenses and it will only get worse with the weather turning.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 09, 2012, 10:48:32 pm
LaPaz,
Before and after the Williams/Amherst match, you mention Amherst's imposing their style of play...in the air...headers. I missed the first half. I saw a second half and overtime that featured more play on the ground than not AND, as you said, Williams on their back foot in their own end. If you are suggesting that Williams plays on the ground and works it out of the back, that may be true--against other opponents; they could not do either against Amherst and not because the ball was in the air while I was watching. In fact, perhaps Williams DID impose their style, but Amherst was better at it! ;)

Also, I have yet to see Amherst's freshman keeper look awkward. He has been completely in control and effective. I'm confused about your assessment on that point. With his record, he has to be in consideration for ROY (although I know that will go to the guy, as always, who puts in the most goals and not the guy who lets the fewest in).
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 10, 2012, 11:15:53 am
Amherst found its offense again and was more efficient with its opportunities.  Led by Noon, Amherst shutout Trinity 6-0 at home yesterday.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 10, 2012, 12:51:12 pm
Umm Amhersts' keeper has prob had 15 shots aganist him all year. A testament to how good they are in front of him but by no means does that make him a great keeper yet. All I thought was, when he did come off his LINE he looked awkward and clumsy a bit. I have been wrong before and my mind can be changed. Also, if you are suggesting Amherst actually tried to play on the ground that day u must have been watching the clouds on the video screen or got up to many times for sandwiches. The ball was in the 2 long throwers hands and on Sucre's head 75% of the game. Not saying thats the right or wrong way to play at all, in fact they play to their strengh which is their size and then running off the ball after it is flicked on. Im willing to bet half their goals have been scored on set pieces this year(corners, throws, free kicks) another 25% on flick on's off Sucre's head to Noon or Heo. They are good at what they do, no problem with that. I wasnt being overly critical.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 10, 2012, 05:38:15 pm
LaPaz,
Scarey! I looked at the box scores, and he's credited with 15 saves. Bingo (had you already peeked?). Still, keep watching him.
Also, I'm not saying that Amherst played on the ground most of the time, but they did so more than they had against Tufts the weekend before. Also, in addition to besting Williams in the air, the Jeffs were also more successful when playing on the ground than Williams was--a somewhat surprising idea, given the attention paid to Williams' contrasting style. Keep up the predictions and reports, LaPaz! It's interesting to watch games with ideas to test.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 11, 2012, 09:59:36 pm
Sat Predictions:
Williams v Tufts -  1-2  My upset special. I think Williams is due for a loss and this game might be the perfect setup. Let us not forget Williams ended Tufts season last year with 2 late goals in the Nescac quarters in the “snow bowl game”. Tufts also beat Williams 2-0 at home last year. While I usually do not base games on last year’s results, these 2 teams have changed very little. Tufts have some dangerous weapons upfront with Hoppenot and Blumenthal and Santos. Their midfield is solid and backline if Sam Williams is healthy is ok. Now if the keeper is a disaster then all bets are off and Williams could win handily but I got a feeling this game like most will be tight.

Bates v Conn  -  0-1 Bates season is about to end in a week and a half with a worse record than last year’s disaster. They are still looking for their first Nescac win in over 2 years. I do not understand why their best player Murphy is not playing in the middle of the park. So much for the coaching change and a 3-2 loss at Husson last night only adds to the misery. Conn is banged up a little but will sneak a goal or 2 somehow and Bates will find it extremely hard to score against this stingy defense. Wouldn’t put a lot of money on it but think this result holds true.

Trinity v Midd  - 1-2 Hard to win at Trinity but what is going thru their minds after a 6-0 drubbing at Amherst. Confidence must be low and I do not see Trinity’s coach being a hardass with his players. Midd has #4 smith and #11 Lively back looking at box scores and I heard Smith is playing up top. Midd has enough weapons to win this game and desperately needs to. I would think they still have a shot at the #5 or #6 seed if they can win out. This game will show us what Trinity is made of after that loss to Amherst. Do they wilt? Do they get pumped and play like it’s the last game of their lives? Will be a good one to watch.

Amherst v Colby-  5-0 Well I have picked 3 road teams to win games and this will be the perfect game to go with the home side. Colby has been stingy on defense but Amherst is on a mission and Colby just cannot match up athletically and physically with them. This one gets out of hand early.

Hamilton v Bowdoin- 2-0 Another upset here. Bowdoin has a LONG trip out to central NY and have Amherst on their minds. Bowdoin the better team but Hamilton is fighting for their season this weekend and I believe they can win this game. They play well at home and have the weapons up front to beat Bowdoin’s weak keeper and wingbacks. I love Brewster but Hamilton’s #18 can handle him on set pieces. If Eddie Jones is still out these 2 teams match up pretty evenly in my mind with everything put into consideration. If this game was at Bowdoin then a totally different story.

Sunday’s predictions:
Williams v Babson- 2-0 Williams has lost 2 in a row to basically the same Babson side and was eliminated by them 2 years ago in the NCAA’s. Babson has definite weapons in Anderson up top and Fischer and Stento wide. Fisher a very good 1v1 player, but I believe Babson’s backline is a bit inexperienced and keeper not as good as Crowley was. They have a ton of seniors so this is their year to make another run, but not in this game. They will win their conference anyway and do not need to rely on an at-large bid.

Amherst v Bowdoin- 2-0 This turns into a disastrous road trip for Bowdoin as they could match up with Amherst athletically but still do not have the size to defend every set piece Amherst will get.

Hamilton v Colby-  0-1 HUGE game for Nescac playoffs. For some reason I have this hunch Colby gets their first Nescac goal here and has a happy 9 hour journey back home.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 14, 2012, 12:26:56 pm
Amherst beats Colby at home 2-0, scoring one goal in each of the periods.  Scoring being done by younger players these days.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on October 14, 2012, 12:48:57 pm
Well for the second week in a row Eph football 'encouraged' me to watch Eph soccer and I was rewarded with a great game and I'm guessing one of the best goals of the year for the win.  I'm still not sure how Williams kept Gus Santos from scoring even after watching it, he's relentless with tremendous speed.  Tough one for Tufts to lose I'm sure, especially since they had the equalizer make it to the goalline before being saved. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 18, 2012, 05:02:04 pm
Five NESCACS in top 11 of NCAA regional rankings, 3 in top 5. If rankings hold, how many go to NCAAs from NESCAC? Other thoughts?
New England                           
1   Amherst      11-0-1   11-0-1           
2   Williams      9-0-2      9-0-2           
3   Brandeis      11-1-1   12-1-1           
4   ECSU              12-0-1   12-0-1           
5   Wesleyan (CT)   7-2-2      7-2-2           
6   Babson      11-3-1   11-3-1           
7   Tufts              6-2-3      6-2-3           
8   MIT              8-3-1      8-3-1           
9   Roger Williams   11-4-0   11-4-0           
10   Bowdoin      7-3-2      7-3-2           
11   UMass-Dart      10-3-0   10-3-0
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 18, 2012, 09:38:53 pm
Ahh with Tufts and Wesleyan losing yesterday...I would say Amherst and williams are definite locks and if they win out could host for a while. Bowdoin and Tufts need to win out until Nescac finals and could lose and get in. Wesleyan beats Amherst sat and wins a couple more they could get in. Everyone else is done unless they win it all! Highly unlikely
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 18, 2012, 09:57:33 pm
Sat Predictions:

Colby v Williams- 0-2   Colby still without a Nescac goal and have been eliminated. A disappointment in my mind as they could have finished 6th or 7th this year I thought. 11am start might catch Williams sleeping at first but they will wake up and get out of Waterville with a win. Colby will not find the net in this one and with nothing to play for it will be interesting to see if they come out and work hard and attack with nothing to lose or just give up and half ass it around the field. Last home game for seniors.

Midd v Bates- 3-0 Midd has struggled with Bates in the past, not this year. This Bates team is just plain awful, worse than last year even with the 2 Nescac ties. We will have to wait another year for a Bates league win I believe. Another 11am start and I do not see them getting up for this one. Important game for Midd for Nescac seeding.

Bowdoin v Trinity- 2-1 Trinity's 3rd trip to Maine. They have fallen from their decent start and I believe they are where they should be as I predicted in the begining of the year. Although , I thought they wouldnt even make the tournament. Big game for both teams for Nescac seeding and the hope to avoid Amherst and Williams in the first round. Bowdoin plays to well at home and are desperate to win after dropping a few lately.

Wesleyan v Amherst- 0-0 Wesleyan sits back in its 4-4-1-1 and clogs up the middle of the field. Amherst misses numerous chances to score and Purdy and the D have a big day. Wesleyan might get a chance or 2 on the counter but they really need to win this game to make a statement and keep a at-large alive. Big crowd here for sure and Amherst will not find this game easy.

Tufts v Hamilton- 2-0  Tufts needs to win 4 to 5 games in a row and get to Nescac finals to get an at-large I think after that awful loss to MIT. This game is a start and also they are playing for a home game in the first round which would be very helpful. Hamilton needs to win this game and get a Conn loss on Wednesday to get 8th place and have the honor of playing Amherst in the first round. Not happeneing as they fail to qualify for the Nescac tournament again.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescacsoccer on October 20, 2012, 08:19:38 am
Williams gets Colby in a spot I would not be envious of, playing with nothing to lose.  I just don't think they have the talent to do much with that freedom.  Williams 3-0.

Roughly the same story for this second game, just with a small talent gap.  Midd 2-0.

This is a really important game for each.  A home quarterfinal game is still possible for both Bowdoin and Trinity, especially in Bowdoin can knock off Tufts in the last week.  I think Bowdoin will win this game and keep the possibility of earning that game in their own hands. Bowdoin 1-0.

Wesleyan is going to park the bus in this one.  I expect Amherst almost all of the game to be played in front of Wesleyan's goal.  I actually think Amherst benefits from a team sitting in on them.  Even though they have talent to play I think the are more vulnerable to a team going at them.  You open yourself up to a big score, but the record over the last years seems to say Amherst will get a least one if you sit in and won't have to defend much.  Amherst 1-0

I think this will be a high scoring affair.  Both teams can score, and neither, particularly Hamilton, is stout defensively.  Hamilton has a lot to play for, win and they are in a good spot with Conn College finishing against Amherst.  I think they can do it. Hamilton 3-2.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 20, 2012, 08:43:02 pm
amh63, nice meeting you today on a beautiful afternoon in New England. Sorry you didn't see Amherst win, but you did see Noon with a big goal to put the Jeffs ahead--albeit temporarily. I didn't think Wesleyan packed it in as much as folks imagined they might. They were dangerous on the counterattack. I'd give the edge to Amherst on the day (shots stats says so, too), but the Jeffs had a hard time finding that final ball. Wesleyan played with a lot of heart. Will the #1 seed for NESCACs come to a coin toss?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 21, 2012, 10:00:24 am
Jump4joy.....Ditto!  Did have a chance to chat a bit with Noon's family at the half.  Met them almost 4 years ago in York Pa.  Did not see you last year when the women's team played JHU at Messiah.  May same hello at Homecoming in Nov.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on October 22, 2012, 08:37:17 am
Since Williams and Amherst have identical conference records and results, if both win Wednesday, hosting rights for the tourney would indeed come down to a coin toss.  Is that the first time in NESCAC tourney history that a coin toss would decide the top seed?  Of course, both still have to take care of business this week ...
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 22, 2012, 10:23:00 pm
Wed Pred:

Williams v Midd- 1-0 Midd plain and simple is just not as good this year. They always struggled with Bates but to lose so many home games this year is a disappointment. They lost a huge class from last year so this is not al suprising. Really a tie does them nothing so I cannot imagine they will sit back completely in this game. williams again outfouled RPI by 3 to 1 and if that happens in this one than Midd could get a goal or 2. This game is to important for Williams to lose but they might have heavy legs with their 3rd game in 5 days.

Conn v Amherst- 0-1 Conn has been Amherst's issue the past few years. To much on the line here but on that field and Conn's stingy Defense I guess anything is possible. A win for Conn could jump them to 6th possibly but not seeing that happeneing here.

Tufts v Bowdoin- 0-0 Game with biggest consequences. This game could be a replay on the 27th for the semi's. Both teams have faint chances still at an at-large if they win 3 or 4 in a row. For now the focus is on the home field for saturday. I am picturing a tight game with quality chances but no goals.

Trinity v Wes- 0-2 Trinity really fading fast. However, just when you count them out they pull an upset. Not here as Wes still has lots of work to do. They have their home seed but with such a senior laden team I think they want more. they want an at-large and again 3 to 4 wins might do it.

Bates v Colby- 3-4 Last game of the year and for some last game of careers. I am picturing goals and not alot of defense in this one. I think Colby the better team even if they havent gotten a goal yet.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 24, 2012, 04:54:58 pm
On a damp playing field, Amherst finish the regular season with a 3-0 win over Conn. College in CT.  Spencer Noon scored the first goal in each half.  It was 2-0 at the half.  Amherst kept constant pressure on the Camels and a 4th goal by Amherst was called back.....possible off-side in the scramble in front of the goal?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 24, 2012, 05:57:29 pm
Congrats to Amherst and Williams on their undefeated seasons in NESCAC and overall.
Unfortunately, for Amherst, Williams won the coin toss today, so if the Ephs win their quarterfinal match Saturday, they'll be hosting the semis and finals next weekend.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 26, 2012, 09:37:29 pm
Quarters:

Williams v Conn- 2-0 While Conn has improved and they are injury free I still do not think they can get out of Williamstown with a win. They could play 5-4-1 and clog the middle and hope for the best. They did beat Wesleyan at Wes, which is hard to do. Rumor has it they have a very good frosh class coming in next year.. Williams advances and continues its great run.

Amherst v Midd- 3-0 No idea where #4 Sucre has been but it doesnt matter, they are facing one of the worst Midd teams I have seen. #5 Portman is a good player and #9 Alvan can be dangerous but there backline and goalkeeping is awful. #16 Knisley is only decent player back there. I give them no chance in this game.

Wes v Trinity- 2-0 Tough to beat a team twice in 4 days. Tough but not impossible, Trinity's slide continues as winning at Wes will not happen. Wes is just a senior laden team and have more punch than Trinity up front and in back.

Tufts v Bowdoin- 0-1 This is the one re-match where I could see a different result. While I wouldnt lay any money on it, it is definitly possible for Bowdoin to come down here and win this game.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: JustAFan on October 27, 2012, 12:13:48 pm
Tufts will probably be without 3 starters today due to injury (Volpe, Santos and Miele).  The Jumbos will need their bench to step up again vs. Bowdoin.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 27, 2012, 02:23:36 pm
Amherst wins against Midd. at home on a wet field.  Amherst was ahead 4-0 with less than 6 minutes to go.  The game was physical in the first half and it was 1-0 at the half with Amherst putting the pressure on the Panthers.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on October 27, 2012, 05:44:32 pm
LaPaz, I believe Sucre sustained a serious ankle injury (broken?) against Trinity about three weeks ago.  Was in a boot/cast and on crutches when Colby played them.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 28, 2012, 11:54:57 am
OK. Asking this question on the men's and women's thread:
What happens when Williamstown is hit with 2-3 inches of rain this week? Those fields are notorious for flooding, being next to a river and on the flood plain. Amherst hosts?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: sumfun on October 28, 2012, 03:31:41 pm
Amherst fields are at the bottom of a hill and not sure that they drain that much better, but they do have the turf field that they play field hockey on lacrosse on as an option.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 28, 2012, 07:57:52 pm
Sumfun....nice to hear from you.  I responded a bit on the women's soccer board to Jump4 joy's question.  Her question applies to both the women and men's games....and the other games to be played.  Amherst, IMO, is in a good position to host based on its records.
Without trying to dismiss your thoughts, I did take a few fluid dynamic courses at MIT and the "drainage" situation of a field rest primarily on whether the water drains well and if there is a lower level that it can drain to.  First water does not drain well if there is clay underneath and there is no lower level to drain into.  At Amherst, the two soccer fields are indeed below higher grounds...but there is a lower level for the water to drain to.  I was at the football game in Middletown.  The grass area by the visitor stands were very wet even on a sunny day after the rains the day before.  The problem was poor drainage.  Wes. had built a fine new venue at one end of the field with a courtyard.  It had edged the lower courtyard level with a stone edge facing the playing field......without any drainage holes!  The higher playing field had wet spots due to poor drainage at one end of the field.
With regards to the turf field....it may not suffice for the two semifinal games each for both men's and women's contests.
Oh yes, with regards to the fields at Williams, they were not playable after Irene last year.  Hope the storm will not be bad at Williamstown and things work out for all.  NESCAC officials have the call to make.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 29, 2012, 11:27:40 am
For sure, it's NESCAC's call. Here's a repost from the women's thread:
Because they are scheduled to host the men's and the women's tourneys, if Williams uses turf, they'll probably have to split between their own and the field at MCLA. Will NESCAC split the site of either tourney, allowing Williams to have their home field for the men and the women, thus creating a special schedule, or will the league insist on one site for each individual tourney as is tradition? If both semis have to be played at the same site (one could argue that playing at two different fields could give an unfair advantage to one team--i.e. Williams men play at home against Tufts, but Wesleyan plays at MCLA against Amherst), then who has to move off campus--the men or the women?

In the event of flooding, it seems like the easiest and fairest thing to do is move the whole shebang to Amherst!  ;D
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 31, 2012, 07:09:01 pm
Here are the NCAA's final regional New England rankings. This is the one that counts for seeding and hosting sites for NCAAs. Looks like Williams barely eclipses Amherst for the #1 spot, seemingly due to in-region results against ranked teams. That's one way non-conference play can have an impact! These rankings are also key to determine at-large bids after conference champions receive the automatics. Do Tufts and Wesleyan have a shot?
1.   Williams      13-0-2      13-0-2            
2.   Amherst      13-0-2      13-0-2            
3.   Brandeis      14-2-1      15-2-1            
4.   Babson      13-3-2      13-3-2            
5.   ECSU              15-1-1      15-1-1            
6.   MIT              11-4-1      11-4-1            
7.   Tufts                9-3-3      9-3-3            
8.   Wesleyan (CT)     9-3-3      9-3-3            
9.   Roger Williams   15-4-0      15-4-0            
10.   Coast Guard   11-5-1      11-5-1            
11.   Bowdoin        8-5-2      8-5-2
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 31, 2012, 07:21:25 pm
Both Wes and Tufts need to win one more game aganist one of those 2 ranked teams and I could see the winner getting in. However, I see a Williams v Amherst final and depending on how many pool C bids are left with teams around the country who get upset...aka a womens MIDD team
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 03, 2012, 04:05:56 pm
Amherst beats Wes. 1-0 at Williams.....will meet Williams in the conf. final on Sunday.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on November 03, 2012, 04:29:08 pm
Congrats to Amherst on 1-0 victory over the Wesleyan Cardinals!!  Exciting evenly matched game except for one defensive lapse by the Cardinals allowing the only score.  Watching the game, it seemes that Wesleyan tried too many passes in or near the Lord Jeff box, which gave the stiffling LJ Defense a chance to clear, and, in many instances start breakaways.
Wesleyan probably should have taked more shots and made fewer passes, especially near the end of the game!! Wesleyan also had two great chances to score, but shots were either wide or over the crossbar.
Lord Jeffs vs Ephs should be an outstanding CAC soccer final 8-)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on November 03, 2012, 09:25:25 pm
You called it LaPaz: Amherst vs. Williams in the final. Boy, did Tufts give the Ephs a run for their money, often looking like the stronger team despite missing top gun Santos on the field. In fact, it felt a little like Williams lucked out on the day. Lots of combination play for both teams, providing entertaining soccer for the fans. The Wesleyan/Amherst match was more frenetic, as each team spent a lot of time trying to jam it up the middle against one another. Lots of high pressure led to lots of turnovers and lack of rhythmic or poetic play. Hopefully, the Jumbos did a nice job wearing down the Ephs through two OTs. However, Williams has the advantage of familiar beds and pillows. Go Jeffs!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 04, 2012, 02:03:03 pm
Amherst wins the conference championship 2-0 over Williams at "Willie" town.  Amherst scored the first goal by Heo in the first minute  and Moody followed with a goal around the 16 minute mark.  The first half ended at 2-0.  The second half it was the same with Williams changing lineups to get a spark going but both sides were attacking the goals....imo.....Amherst's shots being more dangerous.  Williams late shot was pushed aside by Bull and there was some rough play following as Williams tried to get on the board...in the last five minutes.  Amherst defends their title and gets the automatic bid to the post season!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescacsoccer on November 04, 2012, 05:20:44 pm
well well deserved title for Amherst.   Serpone gets a lot of crap and is not the most well liked coach by opposing teams, but three NESCAC titles in his first six years is special.  He had his team up for this game, Russo did not.  Hats off to him.  Also, any ideas why Rashid, User, and Ebobisse didn't start?  In light of Williams' slow start seems like a decision worth questioning.

The archives will show that Amherst and Williams played this season almost to a complete draw with the exception of the final, but in my eyes Amherst  was a better team this year and by far the class of the league.  I didn't watch all of the games (including the tie against Wesleyan), but there was not a single moment all year that I thought there was a chance they would lose.

I don't see a third NESCAC school getting in to the tournament (though my grasp of the national D3 scene is minimal).  Tufts will have its fingers crossed pretty tightly on Monday.  Obviously a lot depends on the draw, but I think Amherst and Williams can both make noise this year in the NCAA.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 04, 2012, 06:07:32 pm
In these last two weeks, Tufts has looked like a NCAA tournament team.  Perhaps they will be left out due to conference tournament upsets, but they are clearly NCAA Tournament worthy.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescacsoccer on November 04, 2012, 06:38:40 pm
I wasn't commenting on Tufts' worthiness, just the likelihood.  Three teams ranked ahead of them in the final NCAA regional rankings (Williams, Babson, and Brandeis) all will need a pool C bid.  They would be the seventh team from New England.  Doesn't seem out of the question, just borderline.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 04, 2012, 11:10:53 pm
Tufts 3-3-1 record aganist ranked teams is hard to ignore. They might have a shot. Wes is done. As far as Amherst and classy being in the same sentence.........ur on ur own with that one.....They were definitly the better team and they are senior laden and this has to be there year for a run at the title but as a neutral observer they are a classless team when it comes to sportsmanship and it all starts at the top with Serpone. Williams looked tired on the day and definitly were sleeping the first half. Not sure why Rashid and Ebobise and User did not start but they didnt make a difference when they were on the field anyway. Amherst plays hard and there high pressure was to much for Williams to handle. They have a very solid 11 and it just seemed they wanted it more than Williams. This should propel Amherst with a ton of confidence and anything short of San Antonio would be considered a failure for them. For Wiliams, they are not a final four team but should not hit the panic button just yet. 13-1-3 is nothing to feel bad about plus 4-1-3 aganist ranked teams and non conf wins over RPI, Babson and Westfield St all NCAA teams either thru AQ or Pool C. They should get a decent draw and Russo has been doing this for 35 years so I am sure if they have to face Amherst again they will come up with a different plan.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on November 05, 2012, 03:03:00 am
LaPaz: Would you like to justify with particulars your assertion that Amherst is classless?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 05, 2012, 08:04:35 am
Not really...any soccer fan who has been watching Nescac long enough since Serpone took over kno what I am talking about. I am not wasting energy on a Amherst poster who just joined the convo late because he is pissed about anything Amherst having a negative tone to it.

but what the hell a cpl: and I stood near there bench for this purpose.

Coaches throwing F bombs every minute....
Dirty slide tackles
Coaches yelling at refs on every call..EVERY CALL THAT WENT AGANIST THEM.
The previous game when #15 Fikke threw his long throw into a players chest to move him out of the way, when the rulebook states he has every right to be there.

I could go on and on.....I also praised Amherst for coming out ready to go....They have a very solid team that has a real chance at a national championship. They were more aggresive than Williams and wanted the game more. For that I give the credit to Serpone for being able to get his guys up for this big game while Williams was still sleeping for whatever reason.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: soccer121285 on November 05, 2012, 08:11:42 am
First time poster and Colby supporter. 

I felt compelled to post because I've been following DIII soccer for the past four years and I am disappointed by the way LaPaz has  ruined the discussion with consistently negative observations/feelings about almost every game and team.  The fact remains that these are DIII student-athletes that made the choice not to play DI sports, are not on scholarship and deserve our admiration and support, not constant scrutiny.  What is "classless" is to attack other people (players, coaches, teams) on internet message boards.

LaPaz, have you noticed that there was once a time that others make weekly picks along with you and it was a fun process? You have taken the fun out of it.  You seem to have a running discussion with yourself about how bad Bates is (not true), how the Middlebury coach seems "disinterested" (coming off best run in Middlebury soccer history 07-09), how Amherst plays poor soccer (have you watched them?!), and how the Tufts goalkeeper struggles (made some GREAT saves on Saturday).  Oh, and complaining about everyone's non conference schedule other than Williams even though on the NCAA website they are ranked  #7 in the NESCAC for Strength of Schedule behind (Amherst, Wesleyan, Conn College, Bates,Tufts and Colby).

It's disheartening because this thread should be a place where we celebrate NESCAC soccer, not constantly attack it. 

When this NESCAC thread was on D3kicks.com, LaPaz identified himself once as a Williams Alum and another time as a Williams parent (which is it, or both?).  Certainly not a neutral observer.   

As for Amherst. Let me congratulate them on a fine year.  They were clearly the best team in the league, and I thought they were the best team I've seen in my time following the league. I wish them the best and hope that they (along with Williams, Tufts and hopefully Wesleyan) represent the NESCAC well in the NCAA tournament.

Let me finish by saying that I hope that Andrew Meisel gets consideration for NESCAC Player of the Year.  He has had a terrific career and been a fine leader for the Mules.  Things didn't go their way this season but the future is bright in Waterville!

I hope others agree with the sentiment I shared above.  Thanks. 

 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 05, 2012, 08:21:18 am
I am neither a Williams supporter or parent.  I have plent of positives along with my negatives. I will continue to talk to myself if need be..I do not need to waste time talking to happy go lucky my world is great and nothing is wrong in life, like yourself. I write what I see and I saw Amherst 6times this year. If you have read all my posts , which u obviously havent I have praise Meisel numerous times and even the style of play COlby played this year without the results. Bates was awful and there coach got fired / promoted for it....Midd coach just went 6-7-1 for first under .500 record since he got there and looks disinterested. This isnt a fact based column, opinion is also noted. If you do not like it do not read it.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 05, 2012, 08:25:24 am
Sorry to all for "Ruining the discussion" but nice of you to join in late and attack. Welcome to the real world
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescacsoccer on November 05, 2012, 08:52:50 am
Addressing a couple of topics...

first, the Amherst/Serpone classy thread, which seems to have started from a comment of mine.  I didn't say Amherst was classy, I said "class of the league" which in my eyes is a comment on their quality not style.  You may disagree on that front too.  Having said that, I don't agree with all of your points.  1) if you stood near their bench for the purpose of seeking out instance in which they swore, seems you might have been pre-disposed to reach a certain verdict. swearing though, especially at a college level, is hardly a problem.  2) don't agree that Amherst is any more inclined than another team to go in on dirty/reckless challenges. 3) yelling at the ref for every call, I agree with you there.  that drives me crazy. 4) I dont blame Fikke, I actually see that as classless on the other end.  You know he is going to throw it long and hard, if you dont want to get hit, dont stand where he releases it.

second, I have never read LaPaz's comments as classes.  This is a message board, your are allowed to be critical. It is not being broadcast at Bates, Middlebury, Amherst where players can't avoid it.  Also, nothing has crossed a line.  Bates is bad, Midd had a weak year, and Amherst plays a direct style (though poor is in the eye of the beholder).

Lastly, Meisel as player of the year is preposterous.  He may a decent player, fine leader and so on but you can write that story for so many players.  Colby was really bad in conference this year, and this is a conference award. This award will deservedly go to Noon. An all conference selection, first or second team, would be a more fitting accolade.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on November 05, 2012, 10:07:05 am
LaPaz: For the record I'm not an Amherst parent, player, alum or fan or other Amherst poster - just wanted to know more about such a serious charge as classlessness.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on November 05, 2012, 11:42:28 am
Tufts 3-3-1 record aganist ranked teams is hard to ignore. They might have a shot. Wes is done. As far as Amherst and classy being in the same sentence.........ur on ur own with that one.....They were definitly the better team and they are senior laden and this has to be there year for a run at the title but as a neutral observer they are a classless team when it comes to sportsmanship and it all starts at the top with Serpone. Williams looked tired on the day and definitly were sleeping the first half. Not sure why Rashid and Ebobise and User did not start but they didnt make a difference when they were on the field anyway. Amherst plays hard and there high pressure was to much for Williams to handle. They have a very solid 11 and it just seemed they wanted it more than Williams. This should propel Amherst with a ton of confidence and anything short of San Antonio would be considered a failure for them. For Wiliams, they are not a final four team but should not hit the panic button just yet. 13-1-3 is nothing to feel bad about plus 4-1-3 aganist ranked teams and non conf wins over RPI, Babson and Westfield St all NCAA teams either thru AQ or Pool C. They should get a decent draw and Russo has been doing this for 35 years so I am sure if they have to face Amherst again they will come up with a different plan.
LaPaz
It is a shame that more of the NESCAC teams are not able qualify for the NCAA tournament as 2/3+ of CAC teams have outstanding records, vs strong SOS's and would beat up on a good proportion of the Auto Qualifiers.  Just too many excellent players/programs in this one Conference for its own good, so to speak.  But we all have to play by NCAA selection rules.  For example, I think Wesleyan has the team that could go deep in this tourney, Tufts as well. feel a bit sorry for these fantastic student athletes, (especially seniors) who will not have a chance to play in an NCAA National tournament!! 
And Oh, BTW Congrats to Amherst, (and amh63) for winning the CAC tourney!!
and PS, People can get pretty touchy on these boards and have thier feeling hurt easily ::), I know as my K points were decimated for criticizing the D-III basketball pre season polls, but +1K for your comments which are always made with a keen perception of the topic.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 05, 2012, 11:52:04 am
Good post ECSUalum!  Just playing the other great NESCAC opponents each week (apart from attending fine academic institutions) is one of the reasons our sons and daughters are so blessed, even if they are never fortunate enough to play in the NCAA tourney . . .
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on November 05, 2012, 12:15:33 pm
I would say that passion causes all of us from time to time to get  a bit too agressive while making our points.
I do think that Lapaz knows the game however and makes some worthy observations.
As for myself, having seen seen/played Amherst and Williams in the tourney and  I can say that along with Messiah and Wheaton , they are  among the most competitive teams in College Soccer year in year out.
They make the NESCAC a respected league, the league also has some other very good teams, and I see better things coming for Hamilton once they get accustomed to the level/style of play.

I could see either team making the final 4 this year.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on November 05, 2012, 12:29:36 pm
Go to the excellent report (November 4, 2012), on front D3Soccer page, At-large berth analysis and predictions by Christan Shirk
which provides analysis and statistics on the AQ's, the Pool B/C candidates as well as all NCAA, (3rd week) regional rankings.  Interesting seeing all the SOS's of the teams and their records vs regionally ranked teams.  Check out all the CACteams.

Actually, here it is:  http://www.d3soccer.com/columns/around-the-nation/2012/at-large-analysis-and-predictions
 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on November 05, 2012, 01:36:53 pm
Watched the NCAA D-III Mens Soccer Selection Show @1 pm, on NCAA.com.   Amherst, Williams, Tufts, Wesleyan are in!!!!!!!!!!  Congrats

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on November 05, 2012, 01:53:18 pm
The 2012 Bracket is now posted on NCAA.com and you can Watch a replay of NCAA.com D-III Mens Soccer Selection Show:  http://www.ncaa.com/video#!soccer-men/2012-11-05/diii-mens-soccer-2012-selection-show.

Host institutions are Williams College, Brandies U, and Swathmore College.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 05, 2012, 03:15:48 pm
Thnaks for the support..er karma pt....ECSU ALUM....Amherst a great draw....Tufts gets in with a decent regional record and suprisingly I think gets a good draw....Williams hosts and gets decent draw but SLU must be licking their chops at Williams' field dimensions and most shockingly Wesleyan #1 gets in and albeit has to go to Stevens but to play Haverford in 1st round...I believe Wheeler from Wesleyan is on the commitee and I kno he cannot be in the room when they are discussing his team but I am really suprised at that selection. Anyway good luck to all
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 05, 2012, 03:56:36 pm
ECSU.....thanks for the thought.. and the NCAA info on this board.  I see that your team has the pleasure to travel up to "Willie" town....after the first round.  Good luck!  Maybe our teams will meet sometime down the road.
LePaz....I wanted to point out earlier to you that Frank U. is a Williams grad. and presently lives in Williamstown.  He probably was watching the Amherst vs. Williams game last Sunday.  Calling him an Amherst supporter is a BIG insult.  Glad that Frank cleared that point with you.   
I actually may get to see the Amherst match this coming Sunday!  I will be up at Amherst for Homecoming events and other matters.  Must say hello to Noon's parents again.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on November 05, 2012, 04:53:02 pm
ECSU.....thanks for the thought.. and the NCAA info on this board.  I see that your team has the pleasure to travel up to "Willie" town....after the first round.  Good luck!  Maybe our teams will meet sometime down the road.
LePaz....I wanted to point out earlier to you that Frank U. is a Williams grad. and presently lives in Williamstown.  He probably was watching the Amherst vs. Williams game last Sunday.  Calling him an Amherst supporter is a BIG insult.  Glad that Frank cleared that point with you.   
I actually may get to see the Amherst match this coming Sunday!  I will be up at Amherst for Homecoming events and other matters.  Must say hello to Noon's parents again.
Was debating if I should make the 2.5 hr ride, (one way), from lower Fairfield County CT and watch in the cold Berkshires, or just watch on what is a very good stream out of Williams from the comfort of my office,....hmmmmm.... I think I may stay home.  Yeah the Lord Jeffs gave us a wooping last year 4-2.  Hopefully if we meet, we can do better.
Anyway we wish the LJs good luck and a smooth path to the D-III finals, I think they have the team to do it this year, (Hope the Noone, Heo, Bull, and the Sucre boys are all healthy), however, those guys from Messiah are going to be tough at the Blossom in San Antonio!!!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NescacPlayer on November 05, 2012, 11:22:08 pm
Played in the league recently, but not going to reveal my allegiances.  Thought a player's perspective would be refreshing.

Surprised to see four at-large bids for the league, although Tufts and Wes are clearly worthy of the selection. Don't sleep on the Cardinals in the tourney.

Amherst clearly the class of the league in 2012.  Direct approach gets it done for a second straight year, but will be interesting to see how they match up against more possession oriented teams (i.e. Messiah).  Freshman keeper looks like the real deal. 

Looks like Williams has the toughest potential matchup this weekend in St. Lawrence. I'm sure the Ephs would rather have Tufts' draw.  Santos is a huge loss for Tufts who, IMO, is easily the best attacking player in the league (followed by Heo). 

Hopefully these four schools represent the conference well and make a run at a national title.

P.S: Good to see someone finally call out LaPaz. Consistently fills this thread with nonsense and is more focused on trolling than providing any semblance of insight.  Additionally, we should buy him/her some earmuffs so he/she doesn't poison his virgin ears.  ;D

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Sandy on November 06, 2012, 08:24:10 am
LaPaz has actually been one of the top contributors to this thread as well as this board. He knows the game and the league well. Just because people may not like what he has to say doe not mean he is "trolling". He's made some pretty spot on observations about some the teams in both how they play and act as well. The way I see it there are no offensive words, only offended people. No need to resort to name calling either.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on November 06, 2012, 11:06:23 am
I hold no brief for Serpone, but didn't LaPaz effectively call, on this board, Serpone classless?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Sandy on November 06, 2012, 02:25:21 pm
Well, yeah, but that's because Serpone is classless. LaPaz and many others, myself included, have witnessed this. I should have made it clear that it was the manner of name calling, not the actual name calling itself, that I had issue with...So as to not derail the thread too much...

I will be at one of the NESCAC sites this weekend. It will be interesting to see another NESCAC team besides Amherst play for once.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2012, 03:23:30 pm
Alright, folks, we got it, you don't like Serpone. But let's keep the axe-grinding to a minimum and focus on the soccer itself, if that's right.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CacCaptain on November 06, 2012, 03:43:01 pm
I'm also a recent player in the league. I've seen every team play at least once this year.

Amherst was by far the best team.  But, having played them the past 4 years, I agree they (and Serpone) have 0 class whatsoever which is disappointing.  That said, I believe they will make a run in the tournament, but are certainly beatable as well. I'm shocked they've only allowed 2 goals.

Wesleyan should not have gotten in but could win a game or two as they are solid.

Congrats to Tufts on making the tourney for the first time in quite a while. They are my dark horse. I hear Santos may be back and they've played very well even without him.  Unlucky to have lost in PKs.

Williams is solid but, having seen them play this weekend, I fear they play too direct for a team not having the same talent up top as Amherst. Than could keep them in games (as he did against Tufts) but I don't see them going too deep.

Another great year for the NESCAC. I know we are all proud to be involved in this wonderful sports conference.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CacFan12 on November 06, 2012, 03:54:07 pm
First time poster, former player, and long-time follower of the boards. Can't say I agree with the "classless" Amherst comment. They get a bad rep for having the loudest bench and a coach that is of a different mold than the traditional "old school" successful nescac coaches Saward and Russo. Also don't think they would be getting nearly as much negative press on these boards if they weren't dominant--no one cares if they are losing. Serpone has to be doing something right, you can't argue with 6 straight NCAA appearances, 1 final four, and 3 nescac titles...

That being said, I wanted to get the nescac awards discussion going. Can Amherst sweep the awards? (noon - POY, freshman goalie - FOY, and serpone COY) or does shapiro from tufts get the nod for COY? he took a tufts team that was terrible 3 years ago to an ncaa bid. Can't imagine anyone but noon and the amherst goalie winning the other two.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 06, 2012, 04:34:02 pm
CacFan12, your NESCAC award selections are solid.  Noon perhaps wins again, but was not as dominant this year, but then again, he probably didn't need to be.  Rashid from Williams is in the ROY discussion.  Shapiro has made Tufts into a real challenger for league title and deserves COY award.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 06, 2012, 11:05:38 pm
Nescac Player I wouldnt waste my time on here to "troll" as u say. U smell of Lord Jeff allegiance so I could care less anyway...Amherst can and has beaten some very good possesion teams this year like say Williams and if u actually followed the league Colby. Colby I would be willing to bet out possessed every team they played. They did it to a damaging degree ...i.e. little 10 ft square balls out of the back instead of hoofing it like Amherst does. #10 Rico actually makes Amherst a more possessing team than people give them credit for. He has subbed well for the injured #4 Sucre. Like I said before if Amherst doesnt win 3 games and make it to San Antonio with that talent the season will be a failure for them. Like the failures of the Williams Jamaican teams of the early 2000's in the NCAA's , but you prob wouldnt remember all that history.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CacFan12 on November 07, 2012, 09:44:41 am
In response to the comparison of "possession oriented" teams to teams (like Amherst) who "hoof it," I think, with all due respect, we are overestimating the quality of NESCAC players. As a former player myself, I love the NESCAC and think it is the best and most competitive league in DIII. That being said, this is DIII soccer. True, Colby has pratt and meisel who can dink and dunk 10 ft square balls all day, but at the end of the day, the big, bruising athletes (Sucres, O'Neill, etc.) are going to win out because that is the nature of the league. The players (but for a select few since the Williams' Jamaicans graduated) do not have the quality to string together 15 passes, swing a ball in, and score. If they could do that successfully, I submit that they would. Especially when teams play as high pressure as they do, it is unrealistic to expect these players to be able to do that. This league is about winning games, and the formula to do that (in all of DIII) is defend, win the physical battle (i.e., first and second balls, set pieces), and find a way to score a goal. If you look at the last four NESCAC final four runs, this is the makeup of a good team. Middlebury 07 (national champs, HUGE defenders, 0 goals in semis or finals), Amherst 08 (something crazy like 10 straight shutouts), Williams 09 (conor smith, mike vella--big athletes), and Bowdoin 10 (call nichols, sean bishop, denton-schneider big, strong guys). This is how you win in DIII. You play to win games, ugly or not. I think Serpone understands that. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 07, 2012, 11:12:05 am
I am in agreement with you. 2010 Bowdoin went because of the long thrower and set pieces. Amherst always plays like that and Midd also. I was commendeing Colby for trying to play differently, which they did and failed at. They possessed incredibly well for the talent they had but failed because they did not have a go to striker to score goals. Aubin is not the answer. Williams in 2009 had 4 HUGE backs Smith, Vella, Vestegaard and Ratachuck but ehy also had creative front players and an all out 2 strikers in Pierre and Romero. The weakness of that team was their midfield. Bowdoin in 2010 was up a goal with 2 minutes left and couldnt hang on in the semis otherwise we would have seen that style aganist Messiah in the finals. That would have been interesting. Midd won in 2007 without scoring a goal in the semis and finals. It was ugly but effective but they got there because of an all out D and Ftorek as a dangerous striker. I agree with all your points Nescac is a physical league and Amherst right now is that team to beat.  I was just commending Colby for the way they tried to play. It failed as you can look at there record but during the flow of the game it was much more fun to watch than these "thugs" on some of these teams winning air balls flicking it to frwds and running to the corners. Even Wesleyan in there 4-4-1-1 is extremely defensive but they can be creative up top with Rodriguez but they have no finisher. This is just rambling but a fun rambling. Thanks for the response
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 07, 2012, 11:19:56 am
Maybe Serpone's sportmanship is rubbing off on the womens coach also...if u havent seen this , which u prob have then please watch..Any Amherst people want to defend this class act?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytOgjiq8Qxw&feature=related


Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on November 07, 2012, 02:43:14 pm
Maybe Serpone's sportmanship is rubbing off on the womens coach also...if u havent seen this , which u prob have then please watch..Any Amherst people want to defend this class act?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytOgjiq8Qxw&feature=related

Should have been a RED CARD!!!!!!!!!  For a young women who I would presume has a bit more intelligence than average, it was a stupid cynical play. 
Just a comment on above discussion re physical style of play, ECSU had to put up with being literally mugged in two games with UMass Dartmouth at the end of the regular season.  UMD who led the LEConference with a 1.53 yellows/game, ( I am sure they also had 4-5 red cards as I saw 2 myself),  Keene was next with a 1.21 avg and ECSU with 0.47/game average.  UMD has a very good technical team, but give up SOO many set pieces, (and ultimately the goals that result), due to what I define as dumb fouls, yellow/red cards.  I had posted on the LEC page how a couple of UMD player had it in for one of our top players/scorers Cory Tobler, who was taken out of the game(s) a couple of times based on nasty UMD tackles.  Fortunately Cory is a tough kid who generally keeps his cool, and a bit lucky or he would be out injured this year.
Part of the problem can be the referee not controlling a game, which I have seen with UMD.  So, UMD's VG technical passing game, most of the time offset by their poor physical play.
In watching Amherst play, I see physicality, but not with malice.  Amherst just has some very big, very good players.  Cannot comment on the bench trash mouth, but that should be controlled by the coach to some extent.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CAC Attack on November 07, 2012, 04:22:22 pm
Former player, reader for the past 5 years, decided to enter the action. I wanted to swing the conversation back towards all-nescac awards and teams. I have Heo as my POY after I realized Amherst has won the league every year he has been there (left for 2, not sure why, I think military related?), either Amherst GK or Rashid from Williams as ROY, and Shapiro COY -- turned around Tufts program in no time and they are my dark horse to win the league next year. You could pick Serpone as Cacfan suggested, but winning the league with the most talented group doesn't do much for me, we'll see how the NCAAs treat them.

As for teams, I haven't watched enough to attempt to construct them, but I think Ratajczak (best defender in the league hands down), Purdy, Noon, Heo, Santos, O'Neill, Meisel, and maybe Murphy would all be 1st team. I didn't see enough of the league this year to offer a 2nd group. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CacFan12 on November 07, 2012, 04:56:58 pm
CAC Attack, glad to see another recent player on here. Maybe we played each other?

Heo is a nice pick for POY but if there's a lord jeff who takes the award its Noon. Consistently the league's top forward. Speaking of Amherst, does anyone know the deal with this Mikey Hokesma (?), the kid plays rarely but all he does on the field is produce goals (league leader in assists.) Am I missing something here or does he deserve a look for second team all-nescac?

I would actually throw Hoppenot from tufts on the first team as well. Dangerous player and often overlooked next to santos
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 07, 2012, 06:09:48 pm
He probably gathered his goals and assists with the worst 4 non team schedule in Nescac history for Amherst..Maybe he got a couple in the 6-0 trashing of Colby Sawyer or those tough matches aganist Lesley and Curry.

COY-Shapiro
POY-Noon
ROY-Bull

But as you will see just like last year the coaches vote for All-Americans and the coaches do not like Amherst. Noon was POY lst year and not even a 3rd team All-American...So these things are useless to discuss.

1st team

GK-Finan
D-Brewster
D-Nowak
D-Norton
D-Ratachuck ( but he wasnt as good this year in my opinion and injured alot)
M-El-Hacheem
M-Meisel
M-Murphy
M-O'Neal
F-Noon
F-Heo
F/M-Sucre
F-
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on November 07, 2012, 06:22:31 pm
Guys, you are overlooking Aoyama from Amherst. He's the most skilled player on that team and can do anything he wants with the ball--including picking it out of others' pockets (just ask any of Williams' forwards ;D). We all know how it is for backs and not getting any love from the all-star committees... Thing is, the guy is the real deal. Exchange him for the guy you said hasn't played much this season. If he were playing closer to the opponents' goal, he'd be leading the league in assists at the very least. Check him out this weekend: deft, clever/imaginative, aware. Caslin also works magic in possession. Magic.

Oh, and I'll take credit for being the first to propose Bull as ROY.  ;)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: soccer121285 on November 07, 2012, 09:29:52 pm
LaPaz, thank you for welcoming me to the "real world" but I am quite aware of what my values are and what it looks like to cross a line. 

My real world is one in which I have run a successful business, had my share of success, was lucky enough to marry a beautiful women and have healthy, happy children of which I am very proud.  At no point is criticizing DIII soccer players and coaches in a public forum part of my "real world".

I'd guess that you are either a Williams coach, parent or player who doesn't deal all that well with losing. Sure, you try and mask your overall sentiment with slight Williams criticism (or purposely misspelling the names of the Williams players) but your overall agenda is to discredit Middlebury, Amherst, Bowdoin and whatever other NESCAC school is winning at the moment.  I think that most readers of this thread are smart enough to recognize that. 

Regardless, I will say a prayer for you and I hope that you come to terms with whatever inner anger/issues that you might have.   

I will continue to marvel at the quality of NESCAC soccer and I wish Wesleyan, Amherst, Williams and Tufts the very best in the NCAA tournament.  The opportunity to study and play soccer at any of the 11 schools in the NESCAC is something special, to be able to do it in postseason play surely will create lifelong memories.  Good luck to all!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 07, 2012, 09:34:21 pm
ok we agree to disagree. i will continue in my world and u continue in urs...but thanks for sharing ur life story
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on November 08, 2012, 03:40:35 am
Welcome to Snark Central.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on November 08, 2012, 11:58:50 am
Checking the list of first round NCAA mens soccer games for this weekend, it shows Live Stats and video for the Williams Thomas game but only Live Stats for the ECSU St Law. game,  Does anyone know if the ECSU game will be streamed??
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 08, 2012, 12:45:47 pm
Boy this Amherst chick throw in thing has gone national....seriosly what is this AD doing down there...I understand winning, but win with some class

http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2012/11/05/sometimes-in-womens-soccer-hitting-an-opponent-in-the-face-once-with-a-throw-in-just-isnt-enough-video/


Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CacFan12 on November 08, 2012, 01:48:30 pm
More All-NESCAC talk. the awards are up: http://nescac.com/sports/msoc/2012-13/honors/allconference

I'm not sure I could be more surprised and disappointed by the choices. In my opinion, these awards have lost what little credibility they had.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Sandy on November 08, 2012, 02:01:42 pm
Boy this Amherst chick throw in thing has gone national....seriosly what is this AD doing down there...I understand winning, but win with some class

http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2012/11/05/sometimes-in-womens-soccer-hitting-an-opponent-in-the-face-once-with-a-throw-in-just-isnt-enough-video/
In 2010 the men's goalie at the time proceeded to run up to St. Lawrence's fans after they (Amherst) had just won in the second round of the NCAA tourney and threw the ball at them from only a few yards away. I'm inclined to view these two incidents as related.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Deuce on November 08, 2012, 03:00:46 pm
Boy this Amherst chick throw in thing has gone national....seriosly what is this AD doing down there...I understand winning, but win with some class

http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2012/11/05/sometimes-in-womens-soccer-hitting-an-opponent-in-the-face-once-with-a-throw-in-just-isnt-enough-video/
In 2010 the men's goalie at the time proceeded to run up to St. Lawrence's fans after they (Amherst) had just won in the second round of the NCAA tourney and threw the ball at them from only a few yards away. I'm inclined to view these two incidents as related.

As a SLU player at the time, I couldn't believe my eyes when their GK drop kicked the ball into our student section from 10 feet away, as a group of 5-7 other players ran up the birm towards our fans and proceeded to taunt them and spit at them.

Never in my life have I seen a college team act like this. If the soccer gods really exist, Amherst will go out in a very, very cruel way this year. Hopefully at the hands of my Saints.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: keeker on November 08, 2012, 05:17:02 pm
well well deserved title for Amherst.   Serpone gets a lot of crap and is not the most well liked coach by opposing teams, but three NESCAC titles in his first six years is special.  He had his team up for this game, Russo did not.  Hats off to him.
Serpone  is a good, hard working, and dedicated kid. I would say he was instrumental in turning around northwestern's program when lenahan brought him in as his 1st assistant. He did everything from recruiting to butt-kissing local youth soccer teams to bring more awareness to the nu soccer program. He told me he was also busy reading moneyball by michael lewis because northwestern only gave out 4.4 scholarship and they needed to find players that were flying under the radar of more prestigious d1s. Glad to see him bring same success to duke and now, as a head coach, to Amherst. Still can't believe how he played goalie for drew when he's barely 5ft tall.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescacsoccer on November 08, 2012, 07:07:09 pm
The girl throwing the ball twice at her head, is that intentional? That is really poor if it is.  Sandy, viewing that as related to anything that happens with the men's team is foolish.  Tying is back to the AD, LaPaz, is equally silly. All the people disparaging Amherst share one thing in common: they lost to them.  It reads as bitter.  Deuce, I was not present for the incident you refer to, but read that as a pretty one-sided account.  Even if those actions were exactly as you describe, I can't imagine there is a piece of the story that is being left out, or that you are just unaware of.

Turning to the NESCAC awards...what a complete joke. Purdy? Purdy had a strong freshman season and since then as been just average.  Stats wise he is middle of the pack goalie and didn't strike me as being too special in anything I saw this year. If you want to go goalie, I would select Finan.  Do you think he was knocked because Morrell also gets time? Noon or Heo are the only two field player choices in my eyes, which is where I think the award should have gone..  Noon if your judging production, Heo if your looking at the person who most impacts each game.  That Heo isn't on the first team...c'mon. User from Williams also probably deserved at least second team recognition. Nizzi from Hamilton perhaps as well.  It seems there is a concerted effort to get someone from as many teams as possible represented on one of the teams.  Not sure I agree with that philosophy.

Also, are these awards not a bit hypocritical? I grant that comparing a goalie and field player is a difficult task, but if in POY you value a goalie over a field player how does Bull not win rookie of the year over Rashid? Bull didn't have to do much, but when called upon stepped up. Hard to overlook 12 shutouts (really 15, in three games he didn't get credit for a shutout because he was pulled).

Final piece to address in the All-Nescac nonsense.  This goes back to everyone disliking Serpone (which I also do, but not the degree other seems to).  I dont think he will ever win the award (conversely, it  the rest of the NESCAC coaches would be willing to kiss Russo's hands).  It seems to be accepted that getting to the top is easy, staying at the top is incredibly difficult.  Undefeated a year after winning the title, dominant both offensively and defensively, losing a top player/captain, and thoroughly out coaching your opponent in the conference title game (my understanding is that the voting happens after, or at least is based solely on the regular season, but it helps make my point).  Serpone seems like an obvious choice.  Yes this is Amherst heavy, but they were the decidedly the best team in the league this year, so that makes sense.  As far as Shapiro's involvement in this debate, I agree what he has done at Tufts is tremendous and they will be in contention for the next couple years.  But this award is just for 2012.  Several posters, myself and LaPaz included, noted at the start of the year that Tufts was a talented team.  I expected them to push Amherst and Williams all year.  At the end of the day I actually feel they underperformed this year in not finished above Wesleyan.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Sandy on November 08, 2012, 09:13:48 pm
I'm not saying they're directly related. I was thinking more in terms of the culture that exists there that allows these types of actions to foster. Losing does not make me resent a team either. Being an ass does. Serpone knows how to coach, as is obvious with his success. No one is saying he can't and no one hates him for winning. His actions and that of his players sometimes however......

The fans were heckling the keeper and other players, something they do quite frequently. That happens. What shouldn't happen is running up and chucking the ball from a few yards away at their heads after you've just won though. Simple as that. There are other accounts of this that will tell you more or less the same thing. I know you can't take our word for it but it certainly happened.



How is Williams's field? I'm asking about quality, dimensions, overall playability really. I assume they got some snowfall earlier this week. Will this affect the conditions all that much? Same goes for the other sites as well.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: TerrasIrradient on November 08, 2012, 10:05:27 pm
First time poster. Had to respond to this diatribe against Amherst and shed a little light...

"Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another, but let him work diligently and build one for himself...The desire to destroy what others build has it's roots in the soil of envy."

Lapaz while you do seem to have watched a lot of Nescac soccer, you are blinded when it comes to the jeffs. They've been one of top 5 teams in the region, if not the best one, for the past 5-6 years. No team plays beautiful soccer. As a previous poster mentioned, it's the nescac. It's tough, hard nosed soccer and winning 1st and 2nd balls. 80% of it is ugly 100% of the time. But that other 20% can sometimes be pretty special. This goes for every single team in the CAC...all capable of special moments, but not 90 minutes of great soccer. You seem to begrudge Amherst's "style" simply because they have size and are capable of scoring on a lot of set pieces. You describe them scoring goals on set pieces as "hoofing" it forward as if every team in the Nescac does not try to do the same thing on set pieces...score goals.

The jeffs, as well as many teams in the league, are indeed capable of doing some very special things in the final third with their creative attacking core. Sandy and deuce, for your viewing pleasure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bimkPkIu-Ck&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I'd like to congratulate Amherst, Williams, tufts and Wesleyan on great seasons. Filled out my bracket and have each of them going deep. Looking for a tufts/Williams rematch and a surprise to the rest of the country wih a deep run from a tough Wesleyan squad.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 08, 2012, 10:36:14 pm
I am officially done talking about these Jeffs....In fact I hope they lose now so all these Jeff fans go away. Can someone explain to me how Russo was "outcoached" in the final like a previous poster wrote. I think Amherst just has more takent thean Williams, nothing to do with coaching. I would take 35 years of winning and coaching experience over some irrational hothead anyday. The point of all this is that this coahces mentality or his disorder is affecting his players attitudes and it all starts at the top, and yes I blame the AD for leting this crap go on without discipline of any kind. He was reprimanded at the 2008 NCAA by the NCAA and Amherst swept that under the rug. He's a NUTJOB end of story
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: soccer121285 on November 08, 2012, 10:57:58 pm
LaPaz, once again you're the NUTJOB here. 

Please do all of us a favor and not only stop talking about the Jeffs but please stop talking about the other ten NESCAC teams as well.  No one respects you or your opinions.  One little dig at Williams and you show your true colors.  For what it's worth I thought Colby outplayed Williams for good stretches of the game this season.  We had the ball 60%-65% of the time.  Williams took their chances well and countered effectively but certainly not what they were cracked up to be. 

Glad to see Andrew Meisel recognized as first team All-NESCAC.  I still think he should have been considered for POY honors!

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: dacac on November 09, 2012, 02:05:31 am
In this year's Amherst v Conn Coll game at Conn, an Amherst bench player ran over to a bell located near the Conn's field and rang it after each Amherst goal.  Clearly Amherst was amped up for this game since Conn had their number of late, but thats just ridiculous. 
Classless coach --> Classless team
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Sandy on November 09, 2012, 07:26:00 am
I never said they weren't a good team and couldn't create goals...That's the first time I've seen those goals on video though and I see how easily those goals could have been avoided  :-\
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 09, 2012, 09:56:40 am
soccer121285 your an idiot...I have been on this site for 2 years and kno the league much better than you. I have praised Colby enough. Meisel had a bad game aganist Williams and the final score was 4-0 williams. Doubt Colby outplayed them by your accoiunts. ONCE AGAIN I HAVE NO ALLEGIANCE TO WILLIAMS, but as you can see like other posters we are sick of the way Amherst has no class. I have no problem with them wining. JUSAT WIN WITH CLASS. I will keep posting on all teams regardless. You have 3 posts and take over this board.. DONT THINK SO..see ya next year
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: TerrasIrradient on November 09, 2012, 11:15:27 am
Final post about all this nonsense before my mind moves on to the NCAA tournament and watching some great DIII soccer (unfortunately via webcast instead of in person  :'()

This year and last year are the first two years that Serpone has had teams comprised of entirely players that he recruited if my math is correct. Putting the talent together and creating a team that runs like well oiled machine is part of the coaching process too.

2011: 16-2-2 Nescac Champs...Beat Trinity 1-0 in regular season and 2-0 in Nescac Finals
2012: 15-0-2 (so far) Nescac Champs....shutout Williams twice including 2-0 win in Final @Williams

I would like be so bold as to describe that as outcoaching....but the results speak for themselves.

LaPaz, thanks for the irony in your last post. I enjoyed it.

Good luck to all in the tourney, including SLU Sandy...would love to watch another match between SLU and Amherst if they are both fortunate enough to advance that far. It would be very intense I'm sure.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 09, 2012, 11:23:40 am
your math is wrong..he's been there since 2007. been to one final four in 2008 in which he was reprimanded for bad behaviour. Goodings went to final four in 1997. They won with class and had some great teams as well..Thats one final four each..Being outcoached has nothing to do with records or any of that, it has to do with in game management and tactical changes. He definitly motivates his players. All I am saying is he and his team have no class after winning. Examples here have been mentioned at Conn, SLU and Williams.. the truth does not lie..players, i.e. kids in which they are take on the personality of their coach and in this case its getting ugly. My prediction is in the next 5 years there will be a huge incident at Amherst with all this nonsense and he will be right in the middle of it...You can see it coming
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2012, 12:12:48 pm
... guess you guys aren't going to take my advice about keeping the ax-grinding down? Seems like you have made your opinion clear.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on November 09, 2012, 12:27:06 pm
The combativeness on this MB is borderline hilarious.  Too much Jersey Shore for you folks...

http://inthecac.wordpress.com/stuff-nescac-kids-like/


Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Deuce on November 09, 2012, 01:11:15 pm
I'm going to reiterate my point in a civilized way. I am not trying to say that Serpone is not a good coach. That's not true. He's a tremendous coach, and has proved that with his track record since taking over.

As discussed, the manner in which they go about winning ( NOT TALKING ABOUT STYLE OF PLAY ), is unacceptable. The antics that go on with that program, starting from the bench through the players and back to the coach, are, BY ALL ACCOUNTS, despicable.

You've heard about the SLU incident from two separate players who were there at the time. Whether or not you want to believe it, it happened. The fans heckled, and the players took unacceptable actions towards spectators following the match.

Last year, we beat WNEU in OT at their field in front of a sizable crowd in the 2nd round. Did you see our players sprint straight towards their student section and throw the ball into them? Did you see me spit on their fans? No. We all followed the goal scorer to the corner and celebrated our victory as a team. The way you should. Now, let's put that to rest.

The point is that this was not an isolated incident, as noted by the several other posters on this thread. While in HS, I watched my cousin and his Bates side get knocked out of the NESCAC playoffs by Serpone's squad. I'm assuming most of you played college ball, and I'm also going to assume most of you did not win 4 straight NCAA titles, and have thus been knocked out at some point or another. It's the worst feeling you'll ever experience. Most of the time, players and coaches are gracious towards one another, recognizing the despair.

Not Serpone. I watched him run onto the field and flip off the entire Bates bench as he did so. Way to set an example, right?

I guess my true concern is for Amherst College. How can this go unpunished?

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: soccer121285 on November 09, 2012, 01:49:46 pm
Deuce, I went back and checked because Bates hasn't made the playoffs in a bit and Amherst hasn't played in the NESCAC playoffs since Serpone has been the coach.  Maybe you are getting the teams confused that your cousin played for? Or maybe you're just vindictive???
 
All I know is when the Amherst coach played Colby this year he stabbed seven people, stole eight thousand dollars from the concession stand and then after they won 1-0, spit on the referees and scorekeepers.  What silliness. 

LaPaz, as for me being an idiot...I'd much rather have my son or any of his teammates play at Colby than to play at a place that has fans like you. All of my interactions with Williams people have been favorable up until this point.   I started on this board because I liked reading about the soccer in the league.  Now I just read you berate people that share different opinions from yourself.

Whether or not you care to admit it, Colby has outplayed Williams two times in a row.  Last year we outshot them 8-7 AT WILLIAMS, after a lousy PK call early in the game.  Oh, and in that game there was an awful foul by one of the Williams plays that could have broken a leg that resulted in a red card.   





Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CAC Attack on November 09, 2012, 02:12:50 pm
Just felt compelled...

Raised huge amounts of money and spread awareness for those who suffer from pedriatic cancer:
https://www.amherst.edu/athletics/misc/2009_10/1216_commservice

Stresses that academics come first to all of his players:
https://www.amherst.edu/athletics/teams/fall/soccer-m/articles/2009/1211_nscaa

Pretty decent success on the field too:
http://nescac.com/sports/msoc/2012-13/championship/release

Just relax.

Good luck to all in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 09, 2012, 03:00:25 pm
soccer121285-I realize you are trying to instigate me and trying to get me kicked off this site....I HAVE NO ALLEGIANCE TO WILLIAMS, as far as your constant Colby v Williams arguments...check ur facts ...since 2000 Williams is 12-0-1 aganist Colby with a 43-1 goal differential. That was easily looked up on the Williams website..YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT HERE ....Colby is lucky to be playing past Oct 25th ever year...I have praised them for the way they tried to play this year albeiet unsuccessfully and there coach is a class act.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on November 09, 2012, 08:30:11 pm
Look, competition brngs out the best and the worst in all of us.
Deuce, I was at the WNEC game as well (we ran out of there with that one, great game great squad BTW).
I was also there 12 years ago. I have seen the sweetest kid (on the field and off) corvertly punch an opposing player, after seeing him rough up his freshman:)
This is the game we love, and passion goes both ways. Now, we all have our opinion of certain coaches, but lets agree that all us has beens can be annanommous( unless one has  a keen eye and memory), Coaches however, cannot be, and this is the internet where ones reputation can take a hit.
I say we say something nice, or nothing at all.
Or atleast say it in a way that shows some tact.

Amherst is a great squad, obviously coached quite well!!!
They must take the crown to truly join the ranks of the elite however.

Good luck to all  big squads and Cinderellas out there.

The slipper might yet fit in 2012...
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescacsoccer on November 10, 2012, 11:33:08 am
Like a Saint from above, delivering a bit of sanity
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on November 10, 2012, 04:12:47 pm
Congratulations to the St Lawrence Saints on their 2-1 2OT victory over the ECSU Warriors.  Complete domination and well deserved.
A painful game to watch!!!! from 15min in, we could not to keep ball posession and collapsed into a defense that could not hold the lead!!! ::)
Also congrats to Williams College Ephs, should be a great game tomorrow.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: soccitome on November 10, 2012, 09:22:30 pm
There's a saying "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts."  At the risk of confusing the posters who have slammed Amherst, I joined the Board yesterday only to inject some facts into the discussion.  This is my first and last post

Fact No. 1 -- Amherst was tied for 5th in yellow cards in the NESCAC this season; tied for 7th (with 4 other teams) in 2011; and tied for 6th in 2010.  In other words, over the past 3 years, Amherst has been in the lower half of the conference in yellow cards.

Fact No. 2 -- Until Justin Serpone, there has never been a NESCAC coach that was not named Coach-of-the-Year when his team both won the league regular season (outright last year) and the league tournament.

Fact No. 3 – In Serpone’s first year, he started at Amherst a "Friends of Jaclyn Foundation" program that is designed “to improve the quality of life for children with [malignant] pediatric brain tumors and their families by pairing them with college and high school athletic teams.”  His team "adopted" a 7 year-old boy who with a life-threatening brain tumor.  Now in remission, he remains an integral part of the team.  For some games, he sits in the bench and is part of team huddles.  At least four other Amherst teams have now adopted a Friends of Jaclyn child, and the entire athletics department holds an annual race walk – initially organized and staffed by Serpone and his players -- that has drawn more than 1,000 people and raised over $15,000 for the Foundation.  As Serpone says, "[the team's "adoptee"] gets the love and support of an entire team and my guys get the opportunity to grow as adults.”  No other NESCAC team participates in Friends of Jaclyn, although the program has spread to over 300 schools. 

Fact No. 4 -- Amherst soccer perennially has more NESCAC All-Academic Team members than any other team.  In 2011, 14 players were on the league All-Academic squad compared to 5 for Williams.  Remarkably, 10 of Amherst’s 14 were starters.

Fact No. 5 – Amherst soccer is the only NESCAC team to place 2 players (both starters) on the 2012 Capital One All-Academic First District Team (Division III).  There are only 12 players chosen in each of 8 districts.  Trinity, Tufts, and Wesleyan had a player on a District team.  In 2011, Amherst had 4 players (all starters) of the 12 named to the District team, more than any other Division III school in the country. 

Fact No. 6 -- Players in every sport (no matter the level) become heated in competition, and act in a way that he or she ultimately regrets.  None of the Amherst slammers has ever spoken with a player a day (or even an hour) after some stupid show of emotion. 

Fact No. 7 -- Deuce calls the Amherst program “despicable.”  What's way beyond despicable are fans who call a German keeper “Kraut” and a center back with a common Jewish surname “Jew."  And it's disgusting to taunt these players with statements like “how's it feel for a Kraut and a Jew to play so close to one another?”  (I was at the St. Lawrence game). 

Based on the facts, it Amherst is an exemplary program for others to replicate, not revile.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Sandy on November 10, 2012, 10:25:53 pm
I think the discussion has been exhausted soccitome. Party is over. I'm tired of talking about it. I'm sorry I fueled the fire even. Yes, Serpone has done some great things off the field, we get it. I have heard this from others and I believe it to be true. Regardless of his success on and off the field though, he sometimes just behaves poorly as a coach in ways that are unbecoming of someone in his position. That's it in a nutshell really...

So let's talk about soccer.

Was anyone at the Williams game today? I managed to catch the second half and it seemed Thomas was playing pretty well against them up until they tied it up and even a little afterwards. Their #19 was running through the Williams defense with ease at times it seemed. They could have gone up 2-1 even if it weren't for a poor phantom call by the referee. From what I saw Williams's midfield and forwards are their strength, and it showed as the game progressed. They took control of the game and should have had 1-2 more goals if it weren't for Thomas's keeper. Williams does have good size in the back, but it seems, at least their left back, can be exploited with speed, as a few of the faster Thomas players had their way with him at times.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: soccitome on November 10, 2012, 11:11:39 pm
It's not just Serpone, but the Amherst players were widely impugned.  "Dirty," despicable," "outrageous" were just some of the adjectives.  I'm pleased the facts finally exhausted the discussion, which is so often the case.     
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Sandy on November 10, 2012, 11:37:25 pm
I meant that it was exhausted before you gave us your list, as the discussion was going nowhere fast.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Centennial1 on November 11, 2012, 10:27:54 am
I have been a long time lurker here and have had no intentions of posting, but this topic motivated me to beat this pretty dead horse--so apologies to the thread--but I must opine. I coached at all levels of soccer, including a decade at D3, and never did I see behavior like that of the Amherst coach. I watched him with amazement over a couple of matches, and was saddened to see a coach modelling his berzerk antics to student athletes. I won't bother to detail what I saw, but it has colored my opinion of Amherst College.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on November 11, 2012, 05:00:47 pm
I'm pleased the facts finally exhausted the discussion, which is so often the case.   

Your 'fact' list didn't shut things down, just the realization that the Amherst contingent defending Serpone is a lost cause and people aren't going to bother anymore did.  Just the same as people stopped bothering with the Indiana-Bobby Knight apologists and the PSU-Paterno apologists.  The ends never justify the means.

Fact #1:  In your first post you stated: "This is my first and last post."

Fact #2: The quote above was taken from your 2nd post - a post that you specifically stated would never exist.

Fact #3: If you respond to this post it will be your 3rd post, and ironically will now become your last post.

Fact #4:  I'm starting to like making these little Fact lists. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jim Matson on November 11, 2012, 10:49:41 pm
Wow, enough on the subject! This conference is better than the direction this thread is going.... ;)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 12, 2012, 07:26:26 am
Amherst seems to have a knack for finding really, really good coaches who are so despised by their peers that they fail to receive COY awards accordingly.  (Hixon is another example).  But I agree, this conversation has grown pretty damn stale, especially when there are other things (like two NESCAC teams in the same Sweet 16 section!) worthy of discussion ...

So, back to soccer, next weekend Amherst will (I assume) host the most academically-inclined soccer sectional in college soccer history: Amherst v. Swarthmore, and Williams v. Brandeis.  Amherst will, of course, be a big favorite, but all four teams have impressive records.  Whatever happens, the winner of the sectional can at least claim to be king of nerds ... I put the odds of a NESCAC team advancing to the Final Four at about 80 percent.  And with Messiah on the other side of the bracket entirely, the sky's the limit. 

Williams seems to have a problem coming out of the gates ... they gave up goals in the first minute of play in two of their last three games (Amherst and St. Lawrence).  They seem to get stronger as the game goes along, numerous come-from-behind victories this season, I wonder why they consistently get off to such slow starts, though.  In all events, the Ephs certainly have a flair for the dramatic!  I just hope they can start strong vs. a Brandeis team which has posted extremely impressive results, and if they get past Brandeis, figure out a different strategy for an Amherst team that seems to be substantially larger, more experienced, and more talented overall. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: cacalum on November 13, 2012, 12:23:18 am
Former player here, long time reader of the boards. Hopefully nescac1's post gets us back to the soccer.

Couple thoughts on last weekend first. Disappointing from a Wesleyan standpoint, they're a talented team with a couple guys in O'Neil and Purdy who will be extremely difficult to replace. I thought they were going to make a little noise (defend well, have a couple difference makers and some tournament experience).  In the game I saw this year the first-year left back was extremely impressive. Tufts just isn't there yet.  They will be at some point. Santos not playing hurts a lot.  He's so talented but maddening to watch because of it.  Sometimes he can drift in and out, but when he's on it's scary.

Only got to watch a little bit of the Amherst game via webcast, and from what I saw it was far closer than the scoreline indicates. While certainly the most talented team in the league right now, they are not unbeatable by any means.  Did see the goal by the freshman, which was impressive, in addition to Noon's toe-poke.  If Dickinson scores that breakaway that game changes significantly and is anyone's to win.

Williams and SLU (did not see the game) played exactly what'd you expect Williams and SLU to play if you know both programs.  Two possession oriented teams and fortunately for NESCAC fans Williams wins out. Unfortunate Demello was injured, he's as good as advertised and then some.

For the weekend:

Amherst v. Swat - Should be a battle with Swat having lost to Amherst at home during Amherst's final 4 run. While I think Amherst is beatable, I don't think they lose this one at home. 2-0 Amherst at home.

Williams v. Brandeis - Williams is baffling to me.  Having guys as talented as Rashid, Murrales, Madding, Ebo and Ratajczak and then having a couple guys who are very subpar athletically leads to some uneven games.  They look awesome and then pedestrian in the same game. Their outside backs have serious trouble with speed, you can tell by how many guys get rotated through those spots. Haven't seen Brandeis play but looking at results I think I like Williams in this one 1-0.

Sunday: Amherst v. Williams - It's extremely difficult to beat the same team 3 times in a year.  Russo did some weird stuff in the NESCAC final (anyone know why User, Ebo and Rashid didn't start?), which I don't think he'll do here. This is truly anyone's game to win but if Williams comes out flat again they'll get run over. Serpone has been an exhausting topic on this board but his teams are up for big games (methods to his madness are debatable but they are ready usually). This is a tough pick, but I just don't think the Williams outside backs can contain the Amherst wingers while Amherst's outside backs can contain the Williams guys (Aoyoma is the best player in the League in my opinion). Amherst 1-0 in OT

Long post, sorry, I'll get the hang of this eventually.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 13, 2012, 08:11:05 am
Good post cacalum!  To answer your question, Russo has, on a few occasions this year, brought his star striker / play-making midfield guys off of the bench to start the second half of back-to-back games, particularly where (like in the NESCAC semis) the first half of those games ended in extra time.  I assume the thought process was, start with some fresher bodies and keep the scoring threats rested for later in the game.  Obviously that cost them a bit vs. Amherst, so I imagine he won't do that again even if Williams advances past Brandeis in an extra time game.  Critical for Williams to get off to a good start (if they can beat Brandeis, which is far from a sure thing) because the Amherst defense is so athletic and tough that if you fall behind early, it's almost impossible to compete. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on November 16, 2012, 09:47:57 am
Good to see someone spreading the love for Aoyama, cacalum!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CacFan12 on November 16, 2012, 01:17:27 pm
Wanted to weigh in with some predictions for the weekend. I, too, appreciate the love for Aoyama! In my opinion, Aoyama plays defense by necessity, and if he were playing on any other NESCAC team, he'd be a winger and maybe the best in the league. If anyone has seen him play (I admittedly have only seen him once or twice), he is an offensive minded player with elite defensive skills. Love watching him play.

Swat v. Amherst - Haven't seen swat play but know they play tough and could present a challenge for an Amherst team who thinks their ticket to San Antonio is all but guaranteed. I think this is a "trap" game--as much as that is possible in the sweet 16s (i think that says something about how dominant this amherst team has been). That being said, Serpone gets the team jacked up and ready to go, look for a big game from Mooney--swat struggles with speed from the wings and Mooney is a 5th year senior who steps up in big games (goal in the nescac finals, hat trick against SLU in 2011). He won't let his team go down. Amherst 2-1

Brandeis v. Williams - a real wild card game. i think williams is the product of a down year from the nescac and great (as always) coaching from COY russo. I do not think they are as talented as their record shows, and may show some immaturity at points (sophomore  grady seems like a ticking time bomb ready to get a red card). Don't know much about brandeis but they do play on turf and that could be interesting given amherst's field must be beat up at this point in the season. Wouldn't be surprised to see a OT game here. Rashid scores a late goal to tie it and I'll go a 2OT 1-1 finish with williams taking it in PKs.

Sunday:

Amherst - Williams: Can you ask for a better game? Rivalry game, 3rd time in a year, all bets are off. Too much talent on Amherst as they squeak by for their second trip to the final four in 5 years. 1-0. Noon puts the team on his back and makes a play to carry his team to San Antonio

cant wait to watch. good luck to all
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 17, 2012, 03:52:47 pm
Amherst wins 2-1 over Swat. and moves on to meet Williams on Sunday.  It was 1-0 t the half, Amherst in the lead.  It was 2-0 Amherst with about 20 plus minutes to go when Amherst was called for a "foul"?.....leading to a PK goal for Swat.  Amherst held off Swat. for the rest of the game.....taking shots and playing on the Swat. side of the field most of the time.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescacsoccer on November 17, 2012, 04:03:33 pm
It's the matchup that everyone expected.  Williams will certainly be more ready this time and I would be shocked if they dont come out firing given how the last meeting went.  However, I believe Amherst is clearly the better team.  Should be a great game that comes down to the wire.  I cant predict a result that is anything but a complete guess, just never know when rivals meet this late in the season.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescacsoccer on November 18, 2012, 02:50:49 pm
Exciting back and forth game that's still 0-0 with just over 20 minutes left in the second half.  Amherst has unbelievably hit the cross bar four times including two on back to back shots form just out the 18.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 18, 2012, 03:25:26 pm
Heading to OT in Amherst.  Williams has received good fortune as noted due to the various shots hitting the woodwork.  Finan made two incredible saves, both on fantastic, curling rocket shots by Noon and Wirz, to keep Williams alive.  Williams had one GOLDEN opportunity with Kushaina having a point blank a few feet from the goal look with a minute left, but he had a very tough angle and couldn't quite find the netting.  Then, with 30 seconds left, came the rocket shot from outside the box by Wirz, which Finan just barely knocked over the crossbar.  Amherst is very, very talented across the board.  Guys who have massive throw-ins essentially make any out of bounds ball a corner kick in the top quarter of the field.  Aoyama and Rico looked very good in the midfield, and Amherst's D is well organized, and of course Noon in particular is dangerous as a finisher.  Rashid looked great for Williams but often seemed to be doing it alone, just did not get enough help and Williams, other than the one late opportunity, rarely seriously threatened.  Amherst, on the other hand, had multiple golden opportunities, and Williams has to thank a bit of luck and certainly Finan's heroics, allowing them to stay in the game until OT. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 18, 2012, 03:51:23 pm
Going to PKs in Amherst.  Williams picked up its play in OT, and the two teams were roughly even, both with a few good chances (including yet another crossbar shot by Amherst, and a few very dangerous balls for Williams near the goal).  Sucks that a really, really hard fought game has to end this way.  Both teams look exhausted, left it all out there. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 18, 2012, 04:03:36 pm
Congrats to the Ephs, outshooting Amherst 4-3 in PKs!!  Incredible year for the Ephs, certainly no one had this team pegged for the Final Four, but I can't think of a more gutty / clutch Williams team, the number of OT victories this year is simply astounding.  Amherst was one of the most talented squads I've seen in NESCAC, but ultimately, luck was not on the Jeffs' side this game.  Man of the match for Williams was clearly Than Finan, the local hero made good with some absolutely acrobatic saves.  Good luck to the Ephs in San Antonio!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: jumpshot on November 18, 2012, 05:42:24 pm
Truly a win for the ages by Williams over Amherst today at Amherst. In three games this year, the highly favored Lord Jeffs out-shot the Ephs 67 to 27, yet came away with only a tie, one win, and today's loss.

Williams' excellent cohesive team effort, fine goal tending, and the tone set by Coach Russo over many years all were quite evident. Some of the best Division III soccer you'll ever see constructed by one of the great coaches in America and delivered by top-notch student athletes.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jim Matson on November 19, 2012, 12:13:45 am
And don't forget Matt in back! He was a key guy against Swat and Amherst.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on November 19, 2012, 07:24:01 pm
JumpShot,
Yes, Amherst showed their run-of-play dominance over Williams, as you mention, outshooting Williams 67-27 over the course of three games. I will add that the Jeffs also outscored the Ephs, 2-0. And, if I may correct you, recorded 1 (championship) victory and 2 ties against their rivals. Williams did advance to the final four on PKs (their demeanor heading into PKs told the story of their relief and giddy joy to have reached that stage) and will hopefully represent the NESCAC well.

While beaten on five shots that luckily were saved by woodwork, Finan was, indeed, clutch for his squad, which proved key, as Williams' anemic attack, supposedly led by their ROY, disappointed. (Sorry for the bitter tone, but I still contend that Bull deserved that accolade.)

As to your suggestion that Williams offered "some of the best Division III soccer you'll ever see": To be fair, you must admit that it was Amherst that displayed some of the best Div. III soccer you'll ever see constructed, and I'm sure that every Williams player--and the coaches--will agree they were outplayed by their opponent. Yes, Williams did a good job hanging in there and helping along their luck, and yes, Williams is a good team--one of the best Amherst played against this year (Swarthmore was also very good). But it's too bad the final four won't see the best the NESCAC has to offer this year.

Also, with Russo's record, who can argue that he has not set a tone over his many years at Williams? But let's agree that Serpone also was masterful in setting a tone with his players who played relentlessly attacking and suffocatingly defensive soccer. Nobody can argue against Serpone's mastery either. In six years, his program has won 3 NESCAC championships (two back-to-back), recording an 88-14-14 record for a .820 winning percentage. This year's team broke last year's record-setting season with a season-high of 17 wins (and 17 shut-outs, including 3 vs. Williams) on its way to an Elite 8 appearance and a #2 national ranking. Say it out loud with me: Wow!

Playing the same team three times in one season is always tricky. Williams did a good job making adjustments in their energy on defense and in their strategy (get it up route 1 quickly to get the ball away from Amherst's swarming attack, and send some balls through the final third to speedy attackers). Good luck to them going forward to Texas. With a number of talented FYs and sophs, they should be a good team again next year and then some.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 19, 2012, 10:30:19 pm
I wish the world was filled with more Justin Serpone's and Derek Shea's/ we would all be better for it
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 20, 2012, 09:58:51 am
Wow, Jump4Joy, bitter much?  Williams has had plenty of uber-talented teams who dominated shot opportunities in NCAA games (particularly during the Khari Stephenson / Alex Blake era), yet still lost.  It happens in soccer.  Amherst created more opportunities.  Williams had a few great ones that didn't come to fruition as well, but no doubt, Amherst (especially in the first half) created a lot more chances, and suffered from a lot of bad luck (although one of the five shots that hit the woodwork was first deflected by Than in one of his many tremendous saves).  Williams has been just an incredibly clutch team this year, mounting comeback win after comeback win, and keeping their composure in the pressure of OT and in PKs.  The Ephs earned their spot in the Final Four, and they will represent NESCAC with skill and class.  Amherst had a great year and was an extremely talented team.  They deserve credit for their tremendous season.  But so do the Ephs. 

As for Bull vs. Rashid, Rashid is clearly deserving.  Bull looks good, but it's hard to say how good considering how strong the Amherst defense was and how few clean chances ANY team seemed to get vs. them this year.  I think a lot of NESCAC goalies would have had similar stats playing with the same defense.  Rashid completed turned around what was a dormant Williams offense from last year.  He led the team in both goals and assists as a first year, and was a dynamic playmaker that every team had to account for.  With basically the same crew of attackers but without him last year, the Ephs created very, very little offense.  Take him away, they are an entirely different team, offensively. 

And sorry, but Serpone is no Russo.  First, there is the well-documented difference in, errr, demeanor (even watching the webcast of the last game, it was pretty annoying to watch Serpone waving his arms and going absolutely crazy complaining over every call / non-call, particularly on the several non-calls in which Amherst players obviously took dives, and particularly when two different Ephs were taken down in the box on borderline tackles, each time resulting in no-calls).  Serpone has had a very successful run over the past few years, no doubt.  Let's see if he can keep that run going once this year's great senior class and next year's great rising senior class are no longer with the team.  Russo has won a national title, sent a slew of players to the MLS and other professional leagues, and will now be coaching in his, I believe, sixth final four (would have almost certainly been more if the Eph powerhouses of the last 1980's were eligible for the NCAA tourney), and all while earning the uniform respect and admiration of his peers.  And he's replaced innumerable seemingly irreplaceable players, each time revitalizing the program with fresh blood.   
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: jumpshot on November 20, 2012, 10:24:51 am
Agree with nescac1 comments.

"Whether it's a soccer game or in life, sometimes things don't go your way." Justin Serpone, following last Sunday's game.

Certainly the case at Amherst.

Here is a detailed "fair and balanced" report ---everyone can draw their own conclusions:

http://williams.prestosports.com/sports/msoc/2012-13/releases/201211180051mm
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on November 20, 2012, 03:31:59 pm
Nescac1,
Well, yes! As a fan of soccer and a fan of Amherst, of course I'm feeling a bit bitter, though I'd say moreso disappointed. If you've been in the game long enough, you know what I feel because you have felt the same way at some point. After all, soccer is a game of passion and drama. But don't be so defensive: I'm not saying Williams is a bad team or Russo is a bad coach. (Didn't I claim the opposite, in fact?) Rather, I'm saying that Amherst is a good team and Serpone is a good coach. Russo has a wonderful record over his 34 years (a long time to amass such a record). Serpone, especially given his mere 6 years at Amherst, also has had wonderful "early years" record. Serpone's sideline demeanor is interesting, to be sure, but those 90-minute stints on the game-day sideline belies the grace of his daily positive impact upon his players. Summing up Serpone's coaching by looking only at his sideline fever is almost like judging a book by its cover. (Maybe Russo or one of his colleagues could mentor him a bit instead of turning their backs on him? As a long-time coach, I say that knowing it's really not a crazy idea.) Also, while I said some nice things about Williams, you must admit your post didn't say anything nice about Amherst, which seems either to be a mark of bitterness on your own part or simply an oversight.

JumpShot, thanks for posting that link. Much of what I mentioned is supported by the "fair and balanced" report there!

Again, good luck to Williams in Texas. It will be great for the league's cachet (including Amherst's) if they do very well. One thing's for certain: The Amherst/Williams rivalry will remain healthy well after this year's campaign becomes old news and well after any of us stop paying attention.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: jumpshot on November 20, 2012, 03:56:56 pm
Jump4Joy, you are welcome. As a final word on this matter, it is important to remember that in NESCAC (and much of Division III) "the game is for the players." Often out-of bounds comments are made by secondary participants ---alumni, parents, fans, administrators, even coaches, etc.--- that momentarily set aside this eternal truth.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 20, 2012, 04:28:29 pm
Well-said, jumpshot.  And Jump4Joy, just as you, seemingly bedgrudgingly (although your second post was far more gracious) said some good things about Williams mixed in with some less-than-flattering commentary, I did say plenty of good things about Amherst, both in my latest post, and my other commentary during and right after the game ... they are an immensely talented team, and I was very impressed with the play of virtually all the guys on the Amherst side, in particular Aoyama, Noon, Rico, Lerner, Heo, and a few others whose names I did not catch.  It's good for NESCAC as a whole when any team does well, and Williams and Amherst will both be very strong again next year.  Middlebury is one of the few teams to break the recent near-monopoly by Messiah, Williams will need to be at the very top of its game and will need more good fortune to have a similar break through in San Antonio, but I would not sleep on this very gutty Ephs team even if the other three Final Four teams are more highly-regarded. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on November 20, 2012, 06:12:40 pm
Nescac1,
My apologies. You have said nice things about Amherst. I misspoke: It was JumpShot whose omission I noticed.

Happy Thanksgiving to all. I'm sure next year's league season will be as fun and exciting as ever.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 21, 2012, 01:43:49 pm
Thanks Jump4JOy, appreciate. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: dacac on November 21, 2012, 08:41:54 pm
I'm just glad to see the better brand of soccer won.  Can't argue with Amherst's results, but there's a reason no one likes to watch Stoke City.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on November 25, 2012, 08:34:08 am
Sorry to grind away here. But, understandably, I couldn't let dacac's comment hang there until September...
This year, I've had a hard time hearing people dis Amherst's style. Yes, they are most often direct out of the back, but there's nothing Stoke about them in the attack half of the field. Perhaps Williams played dreamy soccer against other opponents during the season, but, Dacac, I'm not convinced you actually saw Williams play Amherst this season. In all three games (with the exception of about 7 mins in the first OT of NCAAs), Williams had NO style of play and looked rather like QPR, to extend your analogy ( ;)), including playing with 9 or 10 behind the ball and sending clearances out of the back to both relieve pressure and to feed the dangerous speedsters up top for counterattacks.
Again: Good luck to the Ephs in Texas. May they play beautiful and effective soccer. May they win it all. Go NESCAC!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: soccer121285 on November 25, 2012, 10:47:37 am
Thoughts on the NCAA tournament teams from the NESCAC:

Williams:
"Thumbs up" to Williams coach for changing style/tactics in the last game vs. Amherst.  They got everyone behind the ball, tried to counter quickly when they got it, and got some help from Lady Luck and got to another Final Four.  From the sounds of comments on this board this is not something that Williams likes to do but they knew they needed to do to advance and it worked out for them. That's good coaching.

Amherst:
Great season by Amherst. 56 Goals. 3 Goals Against. The best goal differential in NESCAC history (previous was +45 by the 2002 Williams team).  Undefeated season with back to back NESCAc championships something to be proud of. Many good players returning including 3 of their 4 backs and terrific freshman goalkeeper. 

Wesleyan:
Great team with a terrific senior class could have made made a tournament run (IMO) but PK's got in the way.  Is it just me or shouldn't OT be a bit longer before getting to PK's?  I watched some of the Wesleyan game and thought they were much better than Haverford. 

Tufts:
Another team that got unlucky in the NCAA's. Stats said they outplayed Vassar but game up a PK in OT.  Future is bright for the Jumbos!

As a side note, i expect improvement from all 3 Maine teams next season.  Bates, Colby and Bowdoin will all be better and helped by the experience of 2012. 

I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday season!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 25, 2012, 07:43:44 pm
Amhest puts good pressure on the ball and the only way Williams could deal woth it was to whack it out of the back and let there speedy forwrds run onto it. They didnt create much but tactical changes and a will to win put an end to some storied careers.

Amherst- 56 Gf 3 Ga is nice but there 4 non leagues were really weak, do not compare to 2002 Williams team or any team from williams from 2000-2004 because the Jamacian teams played a much tougher schedule but like these amherst seniors WON NOTHING. Amherst loses alot. Sure they return some key players but Heo and Aayoma will not be as effective without the other 5 starters taking some pressure off of them so YES they will be good and most likely 1st but will not dominate like this year.

Williams- Lose 4 key Seniors, one a keeper who can be replaced by another great keeper sitting on the bench. ratachuck will not be replaced right away. Ebo and Christman I believe are key leadership cogs and very clever players but can be replaced. Having said that these 4 seniors have provided so much leadership I look at Williams' rising seniors and I see besides the keeper and maybe Lima a very average if not below average class which can lead to bad leadership and / or lack of playing time for seniors which in turn leads to player bickering which in turn leads to losses. To be continued.

Wesleyan loses the absolute most and most definitly will fall to 6th, 7th or even 8th. They will need a recruiting class or 2 to rebuild.

Tufts will be int he top 3 easliy and a very strong side as they can replace easch and every senior they have.

Conn will improve as I hear they have a Ghanain fred coming in that can score goals, which is one thing they have been lacking for a f ew years.

Midd will improve greatly with a highly regarded recruiting class coming in inclusding a 6'5 kid from Brooks who the Ivies missed on IMO.

Colby and Bates will be at rock bottom as usual ....Colby was anemic offensively and unless they get a true goal scorer, which they never do, they will be near the btm. Bates loses Murphy and will not replace him. Hamilton loses a trio of good seniors. Bowdoin will be in the middle of the pack.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 28, 2012, 06:33:14 am
Nice article on Eph frosh Jonathan Westling.  Pretty ballsy move for Russo to start a frosh new to playing defense for the first time against Amherst, born out of either desperation or genius, either way, it seems to have worked out pretty well:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2012/11/27/sudbury-jonathan-westling-steps-forward-defense-for-williams-soccer/28pzK1ozRw02rEXwqxYiuI/story.html

Williams started two frosh outside backs vs. Amherst, and if they do the same in the Final Four, I imagine teams will look to exploit the inexperience there. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on November 28, 2012, 08:58:49 am
Ceteris paribus, talent generally trumps experience.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amhfan on November 28, 2012, 02:14:47 pm
The crossbar had more of an effect of shutting down the Amherst offense than the 9 guys Williams played behind the ball for 110 minutes...
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on November 28, 2012, 04:25:57 pm
And them damn crossbars kept moving around during play all to Williams' benefit!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on November 30, 2012, 12:17:59 pm
Hypothetically, of couse, if Williams and Amherst could have played 10 games, and we were betting men, who would have won the most games?  My vote to Amherst 7-3 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on November 30, 2012, 12:23:07 pm
Hypothetically, of couse, if Williams and Amherst could have played 10 games, and we were betting men, who would have won the most games?  My vote to Amherst 7-3

If the Final Four was on the line, then I'd vote Williams 10-0   :P
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on November 30, 2012, 12:55:24 pm
The smart money generally comes out well ahead by taking advantage of emotional (and what the smart money regards as foolish) money.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on November 30, 2012, 03:53:32 pm
The smart money generally comes out well ahead by taking advantage of emotional (and what the smart money regards as foolish) money.

... and all the good luck bad luck, goal post "blocked shots" etc etc evens out.  Anyway, Good Luck to Williams College for a 2012 D-III National Soccer Championship.

Nice Job by the NCAA on the Williams/ON broadcast.  ON up 3-1 with less than 6 min to go.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bantams1 on December 04, 2012, 11:13:14 am
The NCAA did a great with the finals, the stronger side of the brackett won out, glad to see the dominating team win. I believe the NESCAC will return to the final four next year with Brandeis making another statement. I watched Williams steal a game from them this year and they were clearly the better team but lost. Show me the facts.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on December 04, 2012, 11:33:35 am
Many knowledgeable persons claim that one is what the scoreboard says one is.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bantams1 on December 04, 2012, 01:29:33 pm
Ditka Frank, did you ever play in a soccer game, dominate for 85 minutes, then lose on a prayer? Did you watch Messiah last year? No sport replicates the game of soccer. Promise not to use my 85' Bears coach anymore. ;)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bantams1 on December 04, 2012, 02:53:18 pm
WOW - great news for the NESCAC, 2 first team NSCAA AA, 1 second and 1 third team selection. Congratulations to those Amherst, Williams, and Wesleyan Coaches.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on December 04, 2012, 04:04:02 pm
Like life, your correspondent makes no promises.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bantams1 on December 04, 2012, 05:10:49 pm
Frank, do you have a box of fortune cookies near the computer? Sorry. two 1st Team All Americans from Amherst (Noon & Aoyama), two 3rd Team (O'Neill, Wesleyan & Christman, Williams). Roger WILLIAMS, Kamali Webson made 2nd Team.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on December 04, 2012, 06:18:05 pm
Chocolate chip.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on December 14, 2012, 08:39:08 pm
Spencer Noon gets dissed by d3 AA...not sure why again I will say a HEAVY midwestern bias.....for the east Ocel was ok but he is no where near the type of danger Noon was.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Flying Weasel on December 14, 2012, 09:26:57 pm
...not sure why again I will say a HEAVY midwestern bias.....

FWIW . . .

FIRST TEAM DISTRIBUTION
RegionSelections(Pct.)
New England
2
(18%)
East
3
(27%)
Mid-Atlantic
2
(18%)
South Atlantic
1
(9%)
Great Lakes
1
(9%)
Central
0
(0%)
North
2
(18%)
West
0
(0%)

New England + East + Mid-Atlantic + South Atlantic = 8 (72%)

Great Lakes + Central + North + West = 3 (27%)


OVERALL DISTRIBUTION (all three teams)
RegionSelections(Pct.)
New England
5
(15%)
East
6
(18%)
Mid-Atlantic
6
(18%)
South Atlantic
1
(3%)
Great Lakes
4
(12%)
Central
1
(3%)
North
6
(18%)
West
4
(12%)

New England + East + Mid-Atlantic + South Atlantic = 18 (54%)

Great Lakes + Central + North + West = 15 (45%)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on December 14, 2012, 09:58:13 pm
ur slittle % studyy wuld be more useful if we saw how many teams were actually in these regions u have put together
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jim Matson on December 14, 2012, 10:42:27 pm
The regions are "put together" by the NCAA.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bantams1 on December 14, 2012, 10:54:03 pm
Spencer Noon made D3 Soccer AA last year after getting dissed by the Nescac, but two of his teammates should be on D3's AA Team this year. Amherst gave up 3 goals all year and D3 Soccer recognizes that. Many of the players at the D3 level could be playing DI/II - too many good players. Good job D3 Soccer with the selection of Than Finan at Williams - better than AP.

Big day for the NESCAC with the announcement of the 2012 NSCAA Men's College Division Scholar All-America Team

http://www.nscaa.com/awards/college/2012-men-s-scholar-all-america--college-division-?utm_medium=short_url

Four players - Noon,Amherst - 1st Team, Oneill, Wesleyan & Christman, Williams - 2nd Team, El-Hachim, Trinity - 3rd Team. I bet those 4 players don't think about getting dissed by anyone. Way To Go NESCAC!



Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on December 14, 2012, 11:11:23 pm
what is your point
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bantams1 on December 14, 2012, 11:28:43 pm
Read between the lines = D3 Soccer knows what the point is. Where you from - Williamstown?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on December 15, 2012, 09:10:14 am
my point was there were only 3 Nescac players chosen...one of them not the leading scorer Noon.  I am actually defensing Amherst. what does Williamstown have to do with anything...Aoyoma as defensive player of the year is a joke...he is a wingback.....if he was so good defensively he would be a center back. the reason Aoyoma is so good and why everyone likes watching him is because he gets forward as a wingback and causes havoc and goals. he is a converted wing midfielder. He also choked when called upon hitting 3rd in penalties aganist Williams and calmy stepped up and hit it WAY over and right of the net..Ur defensive player of the year should be just that a DEFENSIVE HARD NOSED CB. I dont think Aoyoma fits that bill, he is fun to watch though. Lerner is another wingback who was efficient at whacking the ball forward and his 15-20 long throws. Finan deserves it, no other Williams player really, maybe Rashid or even Ebobisse shouls have made 3rd team. They were key to their final four run. I am PRO NESCAC nothing to do with Williamstown...Ur point makes no sense anyway, which doesnt suprise me coming from ur previous 8 posts of dribble and making no sense.  The NSCAA all-americans actually make more sense and are more evenly divided...hate to say....Also, Coach of the year should be given to the Ohio Northern guy....for what he did to get that team to the Final is incredible.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on December 15, 2012, 10:34:26 am
LaPaz, you are correct of course, but d3soccer.com puts itself in a tough position by waiting until after NSCAA announces its team.  By waiting, they need to do something to distinguish themselves and end up putting players on the wrong teams (or excluding deserving players) just to do so.  d3soccer should announce their team first and then there would be a good debate once NSCAA makes its selections.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Owlsie on December 19, 2012, 06:07:49 pm
my point was there were only 3 Nescac players chosen...one of them not the leading scorer Noon.  I am actually defensing Amherst. what does Williamstown have to do with anything...Aoyoma as defensive player of the year is a joke...he is a wingback.....if he was so good defensively he would be a center back. the reason Aoyoma is so good and why everyone likes watching him is because he gets forward as a wingback and causes havoc and goals. he is a converted wing midfielder. He also choked when called upon hitting 3rd in penalties aganist Williams and calmy stepped up and hit it WAY over and right of the net..Ur defensive player of the year should be just that a DEFENSIVE HARD NOSED CB. I dont think Aoyoma fits that bill, he is fun to watch though. Lerner is another wingback who was efficient at whacking the ball forward and his 15-20 long throws. Finan deserves it, no other Williams player really, maybe Rashid or even Ebobisse shouls have made 3rd team. They were key to their final four run. I am PRO NESCAC nothing to do with Williamstown...Ur point makes no sense anyway, which doesnt suprise me coming from ur previous 8 posts of dribble and making no sense.  The NSCAA all-americans actually make more sense and are more evenly divided...hate to say....Also, Coach of the year should be given to the Ohio Northern guy....for what he did to get that team to the Final is incredible.

So - the only defensive players to make All-American should be center backs  - ignore the outside players?  Look, I don't see enough teams/players to be knowledgeable enough to really know who should definitely make the team, much less POY, DPOY or OPOY, but certainly selecting the best TEAM should include all positions.

I would have said that the NSCAA was a bit biased toward the north/northeast on AA, and D3 corrected that bias a bit.  Same comment by positions - it seemed that they took a few more center mids/CB over wing players.  Also, looking solely at the stats, I certainly thought there were some very questionable choices by NSCAA as compared to D3.

Lastly - NESCAC got the numbers they deserved, or maybe a bit better.  The "best" conference in the country shouldn't get more than maybe 10% or so of the players.  The D3 AAs have 33 - 11 each for 1st, 2nd, 3rd teams.

One point we can agree on - the ON coach did a great job.  Just hard to argue that the Messiah guy didn't also do a great job.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on December 22, 2012, 02:05:11 pm
This Amherst piece almost brought tears to my eyes....Fact is Williams(twice) and Bowdoin have been to the final four in San Antonio since 2009. None of these players for Amherst have gotten a taste. Good SID work in a slow month. Time to move on
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on January 08, 2013, 05:57:12 pm
Bowdoin's Fran O'Leary resigns to become Toronto FC Assistant coach



http://www.nescac.com/sports/msoc/2012-13/releases/20130108hslyeb


He brought a talented Bowdoin team to the 2010 Final Four and leaves a very good head coaching and secure job for a chance in MLS and a very unsecure job. Wish him the best. This opening should get a bunch of qualified canidates as it did when Ainscough left for Northeastern in 2005
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on January 22, 2013, 10:31:34 pm
Congrats to only D3 soccer player drafted in 2nd Supplemental draft...Sucre from Amherst

long shot but never kno...

http://www.mlssoccer.com/players/alejandro-sucre

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CacFan12 on January 23, 2013, 09:11:08 am
what a great day for nescac soccer! congrats to sucre, coach serpone, the amherst team, and the entire league. terrific accomplishment! rumor coming through the grape vine is that alexi lalas saw sucres play at Amherst during their junior year at an ncaa contest and was impressed. he has some old ties in the whitecaps organization. can anyone confirm or deny?

Also, not to bring this forum back to the coaching debate, but serpone deserves some credit for taking his team to an undefeated season without their MLS-bound striker (he was out with injury almost all season).
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on January 23, 2013, 02:55:38 pm
More complete story and specifics are in a story on the Amherst College website...Athletics Section. Personal comments, etc.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on March 11, 2013, 06:04:30 pm
Bowdoin names new Mens Soccer Coach from Univ. of Chicago and another Midd alum coaching in Nescac who I believed played with Shapiro of Tufts

http://athletics.bowdoin.edu/sports/msoc/2012-13/releases/20130310tfz12z

Lets see how he does, his record at U Chicago not overly impressive in 7 years but we will give him the benefit of the doubt
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on July 01, 2013, 10:55:09 am
Any predictions for 2013???
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: dacac on July 22, 2013, 08:19:54 pm
Former NESCAC soccer player and former teammate of mine, Winslow Murdoch, is working to create a cross-country documentary project about the challenges recent graduates face as they enter the job market.  The project is called "What Now? On the road with America's young, educated and unemployed" and you can check it out on Kickstarter here --> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/102668313/what-now-0

BroBible also had a nice little writeup on the project --> http://www.brobible.com/college/article/cool-documentary-what-now

Very talented kid and a very interesting/relevant project
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on August 01, 2013, 07:34:39 am
I have to think, after how they dominated NESCAC for most of last year, Amherst is still the favorite despite the offensive firepower they graduated.  Noon in particular is irreplaceable, and Lerner's throw-ins were a big weapon, but Aoyama is still the best player in NESCAC and they still have other all-NESCAC level guys in Heo, Fikke, Wirz and Rico.  Greg Singer should be a big presence up front as well after a year of expeirence.  Bull will be tested more often this year but looked up to the task, and has the pedigree.  Amherst won't totally dominate the way they did last season, though -- that was probably their national title window as that team definitely had the personnel to test Messiah. 

Williams after making the Final Four will also be back strong.  Losing Than Finan hurts -- he was spectacular -- but folks forget that he was neck-and-neck with Peter Morrell for much of the last three years so the Ephs should be fine at GK.  Williams was starting two frosh on the backline by the end of the year so they should benefit from added experience there as well, and they have five backs returning with extensive starting experience.  The Rashid-Kushaina duo is the second best 1-2 punch up front in NESCAC.  The Ephs do need to find a few more consistent creators / scorers to help those two out, especially with Ebobisse graduating.  Zach Grady if healthy and Matt Murralles are both certainly capable of filling that role, and perhaps a frosh will step up.  If a few of the young Eph midfielders step up Williams could challenge Amherst. 

Speaking of 1-2 punches Tufts will also contend led by the Hoppentot-Santos duo.  The Jumbos lose basically nothing to graduation and they along with Williams will pose the biggest threat to Amherst.  All three of those teams should be NCAA squads barring major injuries or anything else unexpected. 

Wesleyan could be in for the biggest drop-off, they graduate the only player who scored more than 3 goals from an anemic offense and Purdy won't be around to bail them out. 

Regarding Amherst, looks like they brought in another big and strong recruiting class in.  Six listed on this site alone (no other NESCAC squad has more than one), including, presumably, Aoyama's little brother.  Cassutt was POY in Minnesota:

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/college-soccer/college-soccer-details/men/amherst/clgid-1413/tab-commitments
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on August 01, 2013, 10:40:00 am
Thanks Nescac1 for jump starting the season.  Great info/analyses!  Still depressed about the lost to the Ephs and the graduation of Spencer Noon...had been following him since his freshman year. Met his great parents in a NCAA game in Pa. ...even at basketball games!
Always amaze me how you gleem sports data wrt the conference.
Expect a battle in the upcoming season for the title...I find it hard to predict in soccer due to not always knowing how the defensive side will develope.  Do agree with your picks on the offensive side.  Expect Heo will return to his FY breakout form and be a leader/captain.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on August 02, 2013, 03:29:04 pm
I also agree with the analysis. Amherst will be strong but not as strong as last year...but they are probably still the team to beat.  Williams will be good. Tufts should be strong with the 1-2 punch but they need more consistency. They also had a freshmen who performed very well at midfield and forward, especially when Santos missed the end of the season...looking forward to a great season.  The NESCAC is a very strong and proud conference.......
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 03, 2013, 02:13:43 pm
Since Nescac1 basically regurgitated some of my comments from the end of last season as predictions for 2013, I feel the need to also be a broken record. Some points:
1.   Aoyama is a solid solid player but if we are talking the most talented and outright most dangerous players in nescac it would have to be Santos at Tufts and Rashid at Williams. Those two can provide a much needed goal or “soccer magic” that a team needs to maybe win a big game. Rashid for example scoring very late against St. Lawrence last year in the NCAA’s to tie the game which Williams ended up winning.  So when you say “best” for me natural skill and 1v1 attacking comes to mind, maybe for others different qualities make them the “best”. To each his own.
2.   Your research at Top Drawer Soccer for incoming frosh is good but only coaches and SID’s send that info in, so I am assuming other colleges just didn’t bother.
Other than that your points are well taken.
-Amherst- they are defending champs so they are again the team to beat. They lose a ton, Noon, Sucre’s, Mooney, etc. They also had a very deep bench that was hardly used last year. This could lead to l earning curves but Heo when he is interested is top 5 for sure and they have a solid back 4 and GK. Almost fell off my chair when I saw Amherst schedule WNEC as a non-league game. They must have had no one else to play that weekend or other minnows are sick of losing 8-0 to them.
-Williams-You are right Finan can be replaced by Morrell and even Morrell is maybe a bit better but one of the key reasons Williams got to 2 Final Fours in 4 years is Finan and his remarkable ability to stop PK’s. That might be sorely missed late season. Ebobisse and Christman are replaceable but the loss of their leader Ratajczak could be problematic on defense. You are right they return a ton of defensive players so something to watch for. They have a decent out of league schedule, but getting a tad weaker each season.
-Tufts- You are also right they lose really nothing and have gained a year experience with all their players. Santos and Hoppenot are extremely dangerous and Nakamura is a solid MF. Definitly a NCAA team and an intriguing matchup against a very deep squad in Brandeis in early September should give a good indication and also MIT. Two good teams. Again, I think there weakness is GK behind a solid back 4. Also, rumor has it Santos and Shapiro did not see eye to eye by the end of the year and I remember him not starting a couple games. Shapiro should stay out of his way and let him work his magic.
-Conn- This is the up and comer in Nescac. Yes I know we have been saying this for a few years but this year they grabbed a Ghanaian striker and other good frosh to mix with very seasoned veterans and good players like O’Brien and Hormel. Home field advantage is solid and rumor has it they finally reseeded their field. YAY. Still they need to turn all those ties last year into wins or it won’t matter.
-Midd-One of the worst Midd teams in history in 2012 is gone and in comes the best recruiting class of Nescac, still can never rely on frosh and they did graduate like 11 players so this will be an ongoing saga.
-Bowdoin- They lose a ton of solid players and a solid coach. I have no word on frosh or really the new coach. Will be back later on this one.
-Wesleyan-Nescac 1 is right they will drop off the most. They lose the most and rumor has it there was and end of year hazing issue which will result in suspensions for players. That’s all I got but enough to say .500 would be a solid year. Still the toughest non-league schedule in Nescac and they have the fortune to somehow be the only team not to play any back to backs in regular season. This is small but can help.
Pick em….Trinity, Colby, Bates, Hamilton
Trinity should be competitive in every sport in Nescac as they can get most kids into the school, Colby and Bates lose their 2 best players in Meisel and Murphy and Hamilton is well Hamilton….long bus rides and 2 years without a Nescac tourney bid.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on August 04, 2013, 07:18:14 am
Thanks LaPaz, you are the expert on NESCAC soccer so I must have internalized some of your past commentary.  But my views on Amherst and Williams in particular are also based on my own observations from late in the season. 

Does Williams have any potential impact players to watch coming in?  Ratajczak is a big loss in the center of the defense but I think ultimately the Ephs will be fine on that end with plenty of guys to choose from.  Should be much stronger on the outside with much more experience and tons of size there (made some errors last year as they were young and shuffling different combinations around before Westling and Grunman emerged as a starting duo during the NCAA's, they should be improved as they settle into those roles).  And Lima is a strong, experienced physical presence who could be an all-league guy this year, Burbank-Crump struggled with injuries last year but did start as a frosh and could be a factor, and Conder also returns. 

I think the bigger question for Williams is who will replace Ebobisse's playmaking to help out Rashid and Usher, Williams was most potent when those three worked together.  One potential candidate, Michael Madding, is apparently out for the year.  Muralles had some good moments and probably needs to step up.  But they need a playmaing midfielder to emerge for sure. 

Interesting re: Conn College as a team to watch.  Conn has really struggled of late vs. peers in virtually every sport and could use a team to rally behind ... 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 10, 2013, 10:46:05 am
To answer your question, from what I have heard Williams has a decent class coming in. A good sized GK, couple midfields, one supposedly creative midfielder from Tenn area and 2 very solid CB's....one from Manhattan SC and another a 6'5 Cb from the Albany area who I believe Williams grabbed from R.P.I. As we kno Russo doesn't count on frosh and will not need the keep er until 2014 but does lose significant size in the back. This kid should compete with Ritter and Luke Peirce for playing time alongside Lima at CB. Burband Crump is a soild LB and Seitz and solid Russo type get forward wingback and Lima as you say a physical presence, however they are lacking size back there and with 40% of goals if not more in Nescac scored off set pieces this poses a big question mark. They do have plenty of depth on defense.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on August 12, 2013, 11:24:38 am
Thanks LaPaz, sounds like a reasonably good complement to last year's class, which had a bit more star power. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: letsGOswans! on August 12, 2013, 05:11:05 pm
Heo is not returning this year.
Amherst, Williams, and Tufts will be real strong this year. The beauty of this league is that any team can win against any team if it's their day. I also agree with LaPaz on Conn. If they can win and not tie, they should do real well.

Anyone want to post their predictions for top 4 as of now?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: dacac on August 13, 2013, 02:58:34 am
1. Williams
2. Tufts
3. Amherst
4. Bowdoin, Midd, or Conn (My heart says Conn so I will listen)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 13, 2013, 07:24:29 am
WOW....is this true that HEO is not returning to Amherst?....that is a huge loss if confirmed, that means they lose there front 4 to graduation.  That is a huge loss.......thanks for the info, you beat me to it....If confirmed, Amherst might have trouble finding goals early in the season, but they have plenty of depth and might have to rely on midfields like Rico to score more.

Other tidbits I have learned.

1.Midd cannot use frosh in their first game at Amherst, I think a school rule or some frosh orientation that is interfering.  Again, Midd has the best freshman class coming in and they lost 11 players from a horrible 2012 team. Will they start some JV guys?  that boxscore will be an interesting one.
2. Rashid for Williams has a hip flexor injury and could be out for the first 3-4 weeks of season. This is not very good news for Williams as they will struggle to find goals early on. Players like Muralles and so forth will have to step up. They have a decent schedule to start the year so they may get away with his loss for a bit.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on August 13, 2013, 05:13:41 pm
1. Tufts (surprise pick but the last 2 incoming classes 2011 & 2012 were very strong-don't know about 2013 incoming class)
2. Amherst (lost many players but probably still the team to beat anyway-don't know if their kick the ball long game will be as effective without noon and some big players gone)
3. Williams (hurt with Rashid out first 4 weeks-battled Tufts in 2 great games last year)
4. Conn (sleeper)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on August 13, 2013, 05:19:21 pm
LaPaz, I just read your earlier post about Shapiro and Santos at Tufts.  I heard that Santos was sick or had mono at the end of last year, and that is why they brought a freshman center mid up to forward.  Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on August 13, 2013, 06:41:15 pm
I'm curious about the hazing and possible suspensions comment with Wesleyan.  Are we talking suspensions for a couple of players or 10?  And for 1 game or a handful of games?  All that said, unless the suspensions really hurt, I believe Wesleyan is being downgraded too much and will surprise on the upside.  Wheeler IMHO possibly best coach in the league.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: letsGOswans! on August 13, 2013, 08:54:36 pm
@Flounders

I recall hearing that as well. I don't know why santos would have sat for any other reason...

and @ LaPaz, i heard about Heo from my friend's son who plays soccer at Amherst.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on August 14, 2013, 06:35:55 am
Pre-season rankings are not worth much as they typically correspond very closely to the end-of-season rankings, but for what it's worth, Williams is ranked third and Amherst fourth heading into the season:

http://www.nscaatv.com/rankings/2062/NCAADivisionIII/women/Central/PreseasonPoll

But if accurate that Heo is not returning, and if Rashid misses a slew of games, obviously both will have trouble living up to those lofty rankings. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on August 14, 2013, 12:17:48 pm
Heo will be missed, if it turns out that he left the team.  Saw him play what was his breakout game as a freshman...in the Wesleyan game in Middletown.  Heo left Amherst to serve his two year military obligation in Korea ...blogging about his experience on-line.  His return year was last season, I believe.   Hope all is well...loves Amherst.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on August 14, 2013, 12:37:06 pm
I'm curious about the hazing and possible suspensions comment with Wesleyan.  Are we talking suspensions for a couple of players or 10?  And for 1 game or a handful of games?  All that said, unless the suspensions really hurt, I believe Wesleyan is being downgraded too much and will surprise on the upside.  Wheeler IMHO possibly best coach in the league.

What happened?  I never heard about this...was it recent?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bury456 on August 14, 2013, 01:40:52 pm
Recent Midd Alum. I've been meaning to post for a while. An important point is that this message board is a running joke within NESCAC locker rooms.

1.  People have been underestimating Midd every year since before we won a National Championship.  Keep doing it. As far as last year being "one of the worst teams in history" does not take into account the fact that we were decimated by injuries from Day 1. Three of our best guys -  Portman, Ty Smith, and Redmond all missed MOST of the season.   Midd will be in top 4 this season without a doubt.  Willie Gervetz and Adam Bautista are two of the best ten players in the NESCAC. 

2.  I'm pretty sure the Tufts coach knows more than any random person writing on this message board about Santos.  Who the heck knows what goes on behind closed doors. He's turning the program around because he knows what he's doing.   Suggesting he "stay out of his way and let him work his magic" is insulting. He knows way more than you. 

3.  Aoyama is a much better player than anyone else in the NESCAC right now.

Let me recap...didn't say anything ground-breaking.  Midd gets no respect, FACT.  Tufts coach knows more about his best player than an anonymous poster on a message board, FACT.  Aoyama is the best player in the league, FACT.

Unlike others on this board, when I post I don't have a hidden agenda (LaPaz - you're not a Williams fan, huh?) and if I decide to keep posting it's going to be from a recent players perspective. 

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on August 14, 2013, 03:05:28 pm
Recent Midd Alum. I've been meaning to post for a while. An important point is that this message board is a running joke within NESCAC locker rooms.

1.  People have been underestimating Midd every year since before we won a National Championship.  Keep doing it. As far as last year being "one of the worst teams in history" does not take into account the fact that we were decimated by injuries from Day 1. Three of our best guys -  Portman, Ty Smith, and Redmond all missed MOST of the season.   Midd will be in top 4 this season without a doubt.  Willie Gervetz and Adam Bautista are two of the best ten players in the NESCAC. 

2.  I'm pretty sure the Tufts coach knows more than any random person writing on this message board about Santos.  Who the heck knows what goes on behind closed doors. He's turning the program around because he knows what he's doing.   Suggesting he "stay out of his way and let him work his magic" is insulting. He knows way more than you. 

3.  Aoyama is a much better player than anyone else in the NESCAC right now.

Let me recap...didn't say anything ground-breaking.  Midd gets no respect, FACT.  Tufts coach knows more about his best player than an anonymous poster on a message board, FACT.  Aoyama is the best player in the league, FACT.

Unlike others on this board, when I post I don't have a hidden agenda (LaPaz - you're not a Williams fan, huh?) and if I decide to keep posting it's going to be from a recent players perspective.


BURY, given your close perspective, what are your predictions for the coming season?  Who had the good freshman classes last year (2012)???
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 14, 2013, 03:15:50 pm
The Wesleyan hazing issue was swept under the rug but it happened and there will be suspensions. Not sure for who and how long I just kno its there and Wheeler lucky to keep his job as McEachean at Skidmore was forced out.

To this BURY fool....Midd in 2012 was the worst thing I have seen them produce. I am not behind closed doors but I know people all across nescac and things get leaked. I am not a closet Williams fan just because I "BURY" Midd.....Why should Midd get respect after last season...that championship was 6 long years ago..yes they did have some injuries last year but its a fact Saward NEVER recruited or cared to until he started losing and others started recruiting like Shapiro and Murphy. I am in no mood to start arguments before the season starts..
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on August 14, 2013, 03:16:01 pm
NSCAA/Continental Tire NCAA Division III Men - National - Preseason Ranking - August 13, 2013
Rank, School, Prev. W-L-T


1 Messiah                     1 23-0-2
2 Loras                         3 23-2-1
3 Williams                     4 16-2-4
4 Amherst                     5 17-0-3
5 Ohio Northern             2 25-3-0
6 Montclair State           6 19-3-1
6 Wheaton (Ill.)             7 18-4-3
8 Trinity (Texas)            8 19-1-4
9 York (Pa.)                 12 18-2-4
10 University Of Scran.  9 17-2-3
10 Dominican (Ill.)        11 18-3-1
12 Brandeis                  13 18-3-1
13 Stevens I T              10 18-3-1
14 Rutgers-Camden      17 17-2-3
15 Swarthmore             14 16-3-2
16 Susquehanna            15 18-3-1
17 Wisconsin-Platteville  15 15-4-2
18 Carnegie Mellon        18 14-5-1
19 North Park                21 13-3-5
20 St. Lawrence            RV 14-3-3
21 Ohio Wesleyan          RV 13-3-5
22 Whitworth                23 13-3-3
22 Carleton                   25 17-2-2
24 SUNY Oneonta          NR 14-5-2
25 DePauw                   24 14-2-5

2012 final record and ranking shown.

Also receiving votes: University of Rochester, Colorado College
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 14, 2013, 03:20:12 pm
Also, if this board is a running joke why are you reading it...Your recent player perspective is not very accurate..Even with those 3 players and Ty Smith did play some, Midd was soft last year ..they were not a typical "dirty" MIDD team, they had no heart and certainly no GK and there captain was a bench player for 3 years.  Like I said I think they have a great recruiting class coming in so lets see if it works out
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bury456 on August 14, 2013, 03:33:10 pm
Sure, why not...

I can't see anything other than an Amherst-Tufts final.  Big drop off after those two teams IMHO.  Ready to see a new champ after Amherst the last two years but not sure Tufts can do it. 

1.  Amherst - Not convinced Heo is really that big a loss.  Hasn't done much against us.  Tall, skinny kid up-top (dont know his name) is going to be very good (freshman last year). GK is a monster.
2.  Tufts - I think Hoppenot is better than Santos but both are good and will score a bunch of goals. 
3. Williams - Big CB is going to be a lot to replace.  Christman also a strong player-often overlooked. 
4.  Middlebury - Top 4 standing won't surprise anyone in locker room.  Could have best back four in league. 
5.  Bowdoin - Brewster most under-rated player.  Also has killer beard. 
6.  Conn - Someone said they are going to surprise if they can turn their ties into wins.  Uhhhh, yeah.  Expert commentary. 
7.  Colby- Good players and good kids.  One year they are going to make Top 4. 
8.  Wesleyan- All top players graduated.  Wouldn't surprise me if they were higher but I honestly don't know anyone on their team anymore. BTW ALLEGED hazing incident is none of anyone's business. Inappropriate to discuss on a message board.     
9.  Bates
10.  Hamilton
11. Trinity
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 14, 2013, 03:36:09 pm
I have officially RETIRED from this MESSAGE BOARD...GOOD LUCK TO ALL.....Enjoy 2013.....BURY456 can fill you in on all nescac mens soccer since he IS IN THE KNO
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bury456 on August 14, 2013, 03:42:04 pm
Woah, woah, woah.  Back. Up. Brother.

First off, back off Coach Sayward.  Have some class. The guys a legend.  Certainly doesn't need to defending him but you have it all wrong.  Once the Conn coach wins a NESCAC playoff game you can compare them. 

Secondly, what in the world are you talking about?  Want me to get those guys to tell you how many minutes they played last year?  If Amherst or Williams had 3 major injuries to top players they'd be in middle of pack as well.

Finally, it's no secret that you're "not behind closed doors".  We've been saying for years exactly who you are.  Want me to take a few guesses???? :)  Tread carefully.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on August 14, 2013, 04:02:08 pm
No need to get touchy.  Part of the make-up of these types of boards are opinions. I don't want anyone to retire because I , for one, enjoy the opinions, even if I don't agree.... So, let's all take a deep breath and move forward.....Bury, us say Tufts and Amherst in a final...We know Amherst, but who else does Tufts have besides the often mentioned Santos and Hoppenot?  Also, I thought I read earlier somewhere that Tufts played very well after Santos went out....Yes, I would never discount Middlebury but I would be surprised if they finish in the top 2.....

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on August 14, 2013, 04:06:33 pm
Regarding the Preseason Poll..I don't tak much stock in it..Sure Messiah and Loras will be good.  They always are. But alot of the schools mentioned play in very easy conferences...not as competitive or deep as the NESCAS........
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: letsGOswans! on August 14, 2013, 04:08:13 pm
Complete agree with Flounder. We respect everyones opinions here. Please don't leave LaPaz  :(

Out of curiosity Bury, you think you guys will have the best back 4? Can you explain your thinking behind that? You lost Freeman, who in my opinion was one of the best full backs in the league.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bury456 on August 14, 2013, 04:16:28 pm
Opinions are one thing.  Attacking people is another.  People mentioned are close to me and no one gets to just disparage people without being held accountable. 

Guy loves Williams and rips to shreds any program that is any threat.   Sick of it.


Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: cacalum on August 14, 2013, 04:56:11 pm
Well, this just got more lively. Good to have a couple more perspectives on this board. I haven't posted since last season but am also a recent player but will try and keep my homerism to a minimum. La Paz, love that you have an opinion and share it, hate that you resort to dramatics to try and get attention. Your soccer insights are valuable and I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting to hear them but I'm guessing I'm not alone in that I won't be begging you to come out of retirement solely so that you feel you have been satisfied with enough attention. I encourage you to take the high road here.

I think we can all agree the preseason rankings are there solely because people want to release them, not because they are based on any facts or insight other than finish of last year's tournament.

I can confirm that Heo is out this season for Amherst, which will certainly be a loss but don't think it is going to change much in the NESCAC standings (more on this later)

Although I disagree with the tact Bury456 went with expressing it, I agree the hazing incident shouldn't be discussed on this board as it leads to a whole lot of speculation about something that leads to very serious ramifications and no one on here knows the facts (I include myself among those who know nothing).

I only saw a few games in person last year and a bunch more via video or webcast so take everything with a grain of salt. I chose to use tiers instead of a top to bottom list as I haven't seen everyone play. Here are my thoughts on the first tier, I'll try and take a stab at the other tiers shortly:

Tier 1
Amherst - Still believe they are the team to beat without Heo more because of their GK, backs and center midfield. Sucres out means a little less rough and tumble on headballs and more soccer (hopefully), but the fact remains that they return Norton, Wirz, Aoyama, Caslin, Rico, Gooden, Fikke, and Bull. That's a pretty tough side to score against. Bury456, I'll take the Amherst back 4 as the best in the league. Attacking wise, I think there's plenty of talent, you just won't see one guy rack up points like a Noon. My guess is there will be a lot of interchange in the attacking positions and riding of the hot scorer.
Bottom Line:Favorite to win the league, a lot of attacking questions

Tufts - Put up or shut up time for these guys. Don't really lose a lot, Bauer is a leadership void which could be an issue with a young side but I don't think he did anything that is irreplaceable other than that (him and Lerner from Amherst very similar in that respect IMO). Santos and Hoppenot are probably the two best returning individual attacking players in the league at their respective positions (for those of you screaming that Rashid is better, I'd take Santos at the positions they play and would argue Hoppenot plays a different position). I think Nakamura is a very good player that will probably benefit greatly from a year of seasoning from a physical standpoint, thought in the couple games I saw his technical/tactical side was all there but physcially he got pushed around at times. GK position has to be better, you need your keeper to make a big save every once and a while to steal/save a game and the kid they had last year does not cut it. I'll harp on this because I'm a little old school and I think effort matters but Santos needs to grow up on the field. Whatever happens off of it happens, when he is on the field he should be giving max effort and when he does it shows but too often in the games I've seen he has a tough time here or there or doesn't get the ball and starts whining at his teammates and pouting. Pretty disappointing from a fan's perspective because he's so talented, probably even more disappointing if you're his teammate. I like Shapiro as a coach a lot, seems to do things the right way and his guys play hard for him.
Bottom Line:Lot of attacking talent, will definitely score goals, need to figure out goalkeeper and get over youth/growing pains

Williams - Morel starts in goal (hopefully if Russo can chill out with the GK headgames, which are insane to me, I don't know how a recruit goes to Williams as a GK after watching him pull goalies and make random decisions). I don't think there's much difference in Morel and Finan, I think Morel is better from what I've seen but I will preface that with saying I haven't seen a ton. Ratajczak is a huge loss, I frankly don't rate Burbank-Crump so I don't really know who fills the leadership void. Lima has all the physical tools to do so, I just wonder how he will do without Ratajczak, probably depends a bit on who they pair with him. In midfield, I like Madding and Muralles and think they can be very effective in there. Would like to see Muralles take a game by the horns a little more and be more dynamic and get a little further forward. La Paz said they had a good recruiting class so maybe there might be some help coming here as well. Up front you have User who is effective against most teams, but in my opinion doesn't have the technical ability to cause problems against the best teams. He's fast, we get it, he'll score some goals but he's not going to create much. Rashid on the other hand was my pick to have a dominant season, him being out hurts them a lot hopefully he's back for the Babson game as that looks like they're first real test.
Bottom Line:Plenty of talent here to win the league, will be a question if a few guys make the jump from being good to being class of the league
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on August 14, 2013, 05:41:28 pm
Lots of good insight from the new folks here!  I hope that everyone, La Paz included, keeps contributing. 

I have a LOT less soccer knowledge than any of you, but Aoyama also gets my vote for best player in the league.  I haven't seen much of the Tufts guys, so can't fairly judge them.  Rashid I put right behind Aoyama.  I think Greg Singer is the big guy from Amherst that was talked about below, and it does seem like he is a good candidate to get a lot of goals off of set plays, but Amherst does lose a lot in terms of guys who are proven finishers in other situations.  Amherst has plenty of creative midfielders still around, so the chances will be there. 

Cacalum, according to this, Madding, unfortunately, is out for the year: http://athletics.williams.edu/sports/msoc/2012-13/bios/madding_michael_4xv7.  With Madding and possibly Rashid out and Ebobisse graduated, the Ephs could really struggle with scoring early in the year.  Hopefully a younger player steps up early in the season, but the Ephs may have to ride their defense and play stingy early on. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on August 14, 2013, 06:28:52 pm
Wow.  Reminded yet again how glad I am my kid didn't go to a NESCAC.

Yes, LaPaz comes off as a little overconfident, but BURY certainly barged through the barroom door like a "recent alum" full of entitled bravado as well.  In defense of LaPaz I read his comment about Midd having it's worst season in a while as in the context of a historically very strong program and in the very same sentence he credited Midd with having the strongest recruiting class.  My gosh, he wasn't saying Midd is Colby or Bates! 

And I guess I see what a couple of you are saying about the hazing thing, but this reeks a little of the silent, privileged world of NESCAC-ites.  Do you think a hazing incident might make the news if it happened at Alabama, Kentucky, UCLA, or even Duke or Dartmouth?  Are D3 schools inherently more protected than D1s in terms of what happens there?  Maybe the Heo news shouldn't be reported.  Maybe none of the players should be critiqued.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: letsGOswans! on August 14, 2013, 08:02:00 pm
Cacalum, loved your post. Look forward to your "second tier" analysis.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 15, 2013, 12:14:54 pm
Ok im back....couldn't stay away, just had a really bad bad day yesterday and that MIDD alum hit my buttons....I also agree that more opinions not attacks are beneficial for this site.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 16, 2013, 09:22:22 am
Ok Midd 2012:  6-7-1   3-6-1 in conference...they graduate 12 players...a decent wingback Jack Freeman was a Seton Hall transfer and was solid, the other wingback they used I believe was William Gevertiz he would get burned by any decent player he had to defend and he was undersized. He has a year to go. The only other decent player they graduate is Portman who was injured. Thats 10 players they lose including 3 bad GK's. That's a lot of #'s that are lost. This is a positive. They bring in a frosh class including Greg Conrad from Brooks a huge hulking def cm or CB or anywhere in the backbone of the team, he should contribute right away. Tommy Dils a Williamstown native is a very solid sized skilled player who should also contribute right away. Adam Glazer a fast striker from the Maryland area who should get a couple goals and cause some havoc for defenses. Then a couple kids off that incredible 2012 Berkshire School team that were key starters on that team. They weren't the best players but can hold there own in the college game. I still haven't heard about any GK recruits which in my mind is a huge weakness for them heading into the season. As far as the best back 4 in the league, not even close. Will they play Ty Smith up front? There frosh from last year need to step up as Declan Robinson is not the answer. Never said Saward wasn't a good coach just that he was a bit lazy on the recruiting front in the past. I predict a under 10 win season and they may knock off a couple good teams but certainly have a way's to go. The frosh will have the learning curve and again the keeper situation is less than ideal.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bury456 on August 16, 2013, 01:44:40 pm
Short retirement.

In one breath you say more opinions and less bashing....then in your post you call all of the Midd GK's "bad".  They weren't bad they just weren't as good as the two best GK's this league has seen in Cahill and Bush.

I'm just saying that it's the same stuff every year.  if Williams isn't good, LaPAz disappears from the boards - if Williams is good, LaPaz goes and rips to shreds any other team that competes with them.  In 2010 he said Bowdoin played "kick and run", in 2011 and 2012 he ripped Amherst at every chance and he's already starting on Midd this year.  Watch what happens if Tufts beats Williams this year- he'll start chirping about something. 

I didn't say last year wasn't a disappointment. I said underestimating Middlebury was a mistake.  I'll take that 10 win wager.  One of us will have to admit they were wrong in a few months. 

I have no idea about recruits. 

Deklan Robinson is going to be a good player.  Started 8 games as a freshman.  Not many freshman in the entire league started that many games.  Give the kid a chance. 

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 16, 2013, 02:51:27 pm
I have never disappeared from this board since I joined...I am a NESCAC fan not a Williams fan...I happen to like the way Williams plays soccer compared to Amherst style. If you go back and read my posts which u certainly do not have to do I have said that Amherst has the talent to play a nice possession/playing forward on the ground game..i.e. Williams but instead played it safe last year and kick and ran...hey it worked they went 17-0-2. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 16, 2013, 02:54:11 pm
Also I am not "ripping" MIDD just giving my OPINION... I will be happy to give a fair and honest opinion about Williams.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: quicksilver on August 18, 2013, 07:53:43 pm
This incoming recruit for Amherst, Elliot Cassutt, might be worth keeping an eye on. He was the PoY in Minnesota and has won lots of other accolades:

http://elitesoccerreport.com/2013/02/20/minnesota-boys-poy-elliot-cassutt/

And also the HS PoY for Alaska, Jackson Lehnhart:

http://juneauempire.com/sports/2013-05-19/lehnhart-chosen-2013-alaska-boys-soccer-player-year#.UhFesGQ4VvU
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on August 18, 2013, 08:27:59 pm
Great articles.  All kidding aside, great reminder of the outstanding quality of kids these schools attract....and even all the way from Alaska.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on August 19, 2013, 09:43:53 am
Short retirement.

In one breath you say more opinions and less bashing....then in your post you call all of the Midd GK's "bad".  They weren't bad they just weren't as good as the two best GK's this league has seen in Cahill and Bush.

I'm just saying that it's the same stuff every year.  if Williams isn't good, LaPAz disappears from the boards - if Williams is good, LaPaz goes and rips to shreds any other team that competes with them.  In 2010 he said Bowdoin played "kick and run", in 2011 and 2012 he ripped Amherst at every chance and he's already starting on Midd this year.  Watch what happens if Tufts beats Williams this year- he'll start chirping about something. 


I think more freshman started than you think. I know Tufts had a defender and a midfield-forward who started, and at the end of the year had another freshman defender starting.  All were solid.  The midfield-forward tied for the lead in assists on the team and was the second leading freshman scorer in the NESCAC.  The defender was very solid.  Amherst had a very good goalie freshman and Williams had an excellent forward freshman, leading all freshman scorers.

I didn't say last year wasn't a disappointment. I said underestimating Middlebury was a mistake.  I'll take that 10 win wager.  One of us will have to admit they were wrong in a few months. 

I have no idea about recruits. 

Deklan Robinson is going to be a good player.  Started 8 games as a freshman.  Not many freshman in the entire league started that many games.  Give the kid a chance.

I think more freshman started than you think. I know Tufts had a defender and a midfield-forward who started, and at the end of the year had another freshman defender starting.  All were solid.  The midfield-forward tied for the lead in assists on the team and was the second leading freshman scorer in the NESCAC.  The defender was very solid.  Amherst had a very good goalie freshman and Williams had an excellent forward freshman, leading all freshman scorers. They should all be exciting to watch!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on August 19, 2013, 01:06:30 pm
Great articles.  All kidding aside, great reminder of the outstanding quality of kids these schools attract....and even all the way from Alaska.

They have soccer in Alaska????  ::)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: repete on August 20, 2013, 12:45:33 pm
Better than you'd think.

 Kelly Cobb of USWNT U-20s and Duke (22 starts as a freshman) is probably cream of crop right now.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 24, 2013, 04:58:03 pm
As nescac1 reported earlier and I just double checked Williams website Mike Madding is out for the year with an injury. This is a blow to the Ephs midfield for sure. He isn't a flashy player or as creative as Muralles but he is a very solid player and does things that do not show up on the box score. He is one of few Williams players who gives 110% when he plays, kind of like the graduated Pete Christman. He tackles hard and tracks his man from 18 to 18. He is a step slow and can be replaced but still something to worry about for Williams.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on August 31, 2013, 10:17:25 am
First Amherst's Fall sorting contest is the men's soccer game on Sept. 4....an evening away game at New England College...check the website for time.  Should be interesting in that the preliminary roster is not posted and the freshmen have had little time to be folded into the team practices.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 02, 2013, 09:55:42 pm
Amherst has posted it's preliminary roster.  It shows the names of six freshmen.....but not the brother of Julian.  Seems that the early recruitment list   is wrong or that he may have taken an "gap" year.  Heo is not listed.  First game is on Tues.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 03, 2013, 09:33:51 am
So excited about the start of the Fall season, that I could not read.  There are 7 not 6 FY players listed on the prel roster.  Also the first a game is on Wednesday, the 4th at New England College in the evening.  The real test should be on Sat., the 7th against Middlebury at home.
Things change by the hour. 
Seems the final roster is posted.  Julien's younger brother, Justin, is now listed.  There are 8 new players !  Size and weights are provided.  The California FY  player is listed at 6'6"!  Oh yes, there is a Sucre '13 brother listed as an assistant coach.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on September 05, 2013, 09:43:20 am
Amherst easily won its first game, as expected.  Looks like a few key guys may be injured, as Julian Aoyama and Milton Rico did not play.  The Jeffs did give up an early goal -- of course with a younger team, there is no way they will replicate last season's three goals allowed on the year. 

It looks like Amherst has brought in a stellar first-year class.  Serpone noted in the season preview that 7/10 pre-season goals were scored by frosh, and that trend continued in the first game: two goals and an assist from new starting striker Christopher Martin (replacement for Noon, it looks like ...), and then another goal and assist from two frosh coming in off the bench -- one of whom is a 6'6 MF!  In addition, Julian's little brother Justin started in his place, and Amherst's entire first-year class saw playing time in the game. 

It will be interesting to see how a young Amherst squad fares vs. stronger competition this weekend, especially if Aoyama and Rico are out.  But in all events, Serpone appears to have reloaded the roster. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 05, 2013, 10:36:57 am
Thanks for the post on the Amherst game Nescac1!  Watched the game online...got on late and then saw that Amherst was behind!  Made an excuse to myself that NEC had more practice time, etc.  Still, it is often the nature of soccer that I never quite understand...unexpected ball bounces and quick strikes.  Wonder whether the turf field was a factor...being that the practices to date by Amherst has been on grass.  Seems that Both teams were playing a long ball game.  Amherst's goalie Bull even was credited with a shot attempt!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bucket on September 06, 2013, 11:33:17 am
Wow. 11 freshmen on Middlebury's roster, and I understand a number of them will see significant minutes this year.

Now, there was a rumor floating around the boards that the freshmen would not be making the trip down to Amherst on Saturday due to orientation obligations. Have no idea if there is truth to this rumor, though if so, the Lord Jeffs will be seeing a much different team than the rest of the league. Even so, for a team so reliant on first-year players, who knows what we can expect early. Should be a wild ride. Can't wait for things to get started.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 06, 2013, 04:27:10 pm
If FY orientation events impact participation in this weekend contest at Amherst, it will prove significant...in that there are Field Hockey and Women Soccer contests scheduled against the Panthers!  My take is that the FY players will be available...consider it part of orientation.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on September 07, 2013, 03:44:47 pm
Williams beats Colby 1-0.  Williams' lone goal was from first-year Patrick Gordon, who I assume is related to former Eph Peter Gordon as they both hail from Woburn.  Rashid did not play as predicted, and the Williams offense was not terribly dynamic without him, creating a lot of corners but few really good scoring opportunities.  They will need him back ASAP.  Still, they gutted out the road win.  Strong play from the backs and goalie for the Ephs, and nice to see a young player make an impact. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on September 07, 2013, 04:56:44 pm
Oh, and by the way, if you can, listed to a Colby webcast.  The announcers are truly awesome.  Two British guys who both know soccer and are extremely entertaining.  Among the best student commentary you'll ever hear. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bucket on September 07, 2013, 06:09:16 pm
So, rumors were true—Midd frosh don't play today against Amherst.

Lord Jeffs slip past a severely undermanned Panther squad, 2-1 in OT.

I understand that several of the 11 FYs are expected to be big contributors this year so an eyebrow raising result today.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 07, 2013, 09:54:19 pm
Watched the game online and gathered that the Mid's bench was short today.  Played a tough game against Amherst that has played a number of their FY's.  Midd scored first on a penalty kick.  Stats show that Amherst led in all cats, including penalties.  Amherst's All-American Julian did play today with his younger brother Justin for awhile.  Julian missed  the first game due to an ankle injury.  Another star player Rico did not play, I believe.  Still, it was nick and tuck.  However, the FY's showed skill and speed but will need to play more team offense as they gather experience.  It was a bit warm as reported so I think the Panthers wished they had a bigger bench at times.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 10, 2013, 02:44:57 pm
Amherst got a lucky come from behind win against a depleted Midd squad.

Williams lucks out as their offense looks anemic against Colby but frosh Patrick Gordon(brother of Peter '09) gets the gamewinner and Williams holds off a Colby push at end of game.

Wesleyan apparently only suspended players for ONE game and still surprised everyone with an impressive 3-1 road win at Bowdoin.

Tufts hammers Bates 3-0. This "interm" ne coach for Bates has done nothing in the 2-3 years he has been there. This job should have been opened up to a national search. We ill continue to follow this.

Trinty squeaks by Hamilton 1-0. I honestly thought these 2 teams were relatively even on the day as this is the game I watched. Hamilton has a huge home game against Bates on Saturday and must win it to secure its first ever Nescac Playoff berth in my opinion.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on September 11, 2013, 11:50:19 am
LaPaz, interesting that Wes suspended players for a non-leaguer against Framingham State but not for their league opener. According to the student newspaper, Wes plans to stagger the suspensions (consequence of hazing) throughout the season so they'll have enough players available for games. I wonder if those staggers will include non-league games only? Also, with 42 (!) men on the roster, how could they not have enough players available? Not looking for dirty laundry, just curious about the thinking here.

On another point: What was "lucky" about Amherst's and Williams' wins?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on September 11, 2013, 05:21:17 pm
Anybody try the Williams feed this afternoon on NSN?  Just gave it a go on a couple different browsers and not getting anything. 


Update -Reached out to NSN via twitter and got the following response:  "experiencing internet fluctuations, working to get the feed back up."

Which I read as NSN was unaware that other people would be using the internet this afternoon.  But, better to get the bugs worked out early so they can set up an infrastructure to handle the bandwidth they need to provide a superior broadcast. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 11, 2013, 05:54:55 pm
Madz's...just tried the connection from the Nescac website.....got the link to the NSN broadcast on the Williams web...blank screen for a minute and then a notice that there is no connection.  Was on a IPad ...will try my Mac laptop since the IPAD does not support Flash.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 12, 2013, 11:03:04 am
Amherst won a 4-1 contest over Curry last night in Milton, Ma.  Only stats online...it seemed to me that Amherst started slowly again...but won a game in which it out shot Curry 3 to 1...30-11 shots, same ratio in corner kicks and about the best combos in  the same in fouls.  I read an aggressive offense.
Again Julien Aoyama and Milton Rico did not play.  Justin Aoyama played and was listed as a defender.  Actually, the box score had 4 players listed as "D" , 3 players as midfielders and only 2 as forwards.  Don't know enough about the game to make anything of the designation differences.  Actually seen Justin in the attacking area...so it maybe early season sifting of young talented players in non conference matches to find the best combos for given situations.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on September 12, 2013, 08:09:52 pm
amh63, it seems Justin is becoming a fixture in the back. I believe it's the only position he has played thus far. Another talented Aoyama.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on September 13, 2013, 10:31:17 pm
Talk about early recruiting news!  This article mentions players headed to Williams and Amherst ... for fall of 2014:

http://boyssoccer.lohudblogs.com/2013/09/01/season-preview-port-chesters-steven-hernandez-a-trend-setter/
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 14, 2013, 07:03:00 am
2014's who verbally commit at this point in the season for fall is not that early. I the coach gives them the signal that they can get them in and there is mutual interest then its fine.  What isn't condoned is teams talking and writing letters to 2015's which rumor has it is being done as we speak.

Anyway:

Interesting matchups today:

Amherst v Bowdoin - Haven't seen either one live yet but this will be Amherst first real test. However, I was surprised by Bowdoin letting up 3 goals at home to Wesleyan. On that note, I agree with the poster about Wesleyan picking and choosing which games suspended players can play or not, that to me is not right. I was shocked that the school newspaper picked up on that story in the first place.  I will say Amherst 1-0 in this one. Injuries playing a factor and not sure what Bowdoin's goalkeeping situation is.

Wes v Wheaton-  I am assuming this is a game Wes sits some players but who the hell knows. Wheaton off to a decent start and could be a tough game for Wesleyan but Wes has dominated this matchup in recent years. 2-1 Wesleyan. I will give Wesleyan credit they are scoring goals at an alarming rate.

Trinity v Williams- This has been Williams bugaboo for the past 4-5 years and they seem too be having trouble scoring goals without Rashid. Trinity getting some unexpected good play by Savonon ( brother at Brandeis) ended up at Trinity because Brandeis couldn't get him in. Of course Trinity has its doors wide open for anyone. I will say another 1-0 game which could go either way.

Midd v Conn- 2 other teams I haven't seen, and Midd plays its Frosh for first time. Conn's Hawkey playing very well and they have more depth than usual. 1-1.

Hamilton v Bates- Bottom feeder game, long road trip doesn't bode well for Bates. I will give it to Hamilton 2-1.

Tufts v Colby- Last year Colby managed a 0-0 tie at Tufts. Tufts a very very good team and Colby just has no scoring threat for  Nescac games. 2-0 Tufts
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bucket on September 14, 2013, 05:16:40 pm
Midd beats Conn, 1-0.

A Deklan Robinson (not the answer, huh?) header off a set piece—perfectly delivered by soph Court Lake—is the game's lone score.

Midd freshmen are as impressive as advertised. Glaser and Conrad started and played most of the game. Echeverria, Bean, and Davidson also played significant minutes. And then Dils and Ogle were on the field in the game's waning minutes as the Camels desperately tried to even things up.

Collins was solid in goal. Made good decisions and was very active.

With such a young team, leadership is in high demand—and it was delivered by Adam Batista. Very impressed with him. Reminded me of Harrison Watkins.

For Conn, they have a talent in freshman Ibrahim Mutala. He will be noticed during his four years.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 14, 2013, 07:58:41 pm
Amherst beats Bowdoin 3-0 at home.  It was 2-0 at the half...with both Rico and Julian Aoyama playing.  Amherst had almost all it's freshman in the game in the second half.  The third goal came about in a strange sequence....Amherst scores on a rebound and while Amherst starts the celebration, play continues as the ref voided the goal.  Somehow, Amherst counters and scores...due to a "mistake by Bowdoin'S goalie.  the announcers were confused on what happened.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on September 16, 2013, 09:16:38 am
Yeah, the timing of the third goal was a bit crazy. When the ref waived off the goal, Bowdoin quickly restarted with a goalkick, probably thinking they'd catch Amherst's D out of shape because they were celebrating. But in the rush to get forward, they were sloppy, and Amherst stole the ball back before it cleared the defensive third. Can't take anything away from the shot, though. It was sublime. Sadly AMH63, neither Rico nor Aoyama Sr. played.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 16, 2013, 12:29:05 pm
Jump4joy....you are correct!  Recognize my error when I checked the box score.  Posted my response to you earlier but on the the Football board.....to which Pat C. posted  a response...without calling me out as one would say.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on September 16, 2013, 12:47:29 pm
Correction to my earlier recount of third Amherst goal vs. Bow. While there was sloppiness getting it out of the defensive third, that messiness led to a throw-in. Throw went in to the keeper, whose pass back to the thrower got picked off by the Amherst goalscorer.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 18, 2013, 07:18:37 pm
Amherst-Conn game ends in a 2OT 0-0 tie.  Had an on-line event.  Game goes down to 15 seconds with Conn having the ball.  Conn throw in the Amherst corner......the webcast goes down/stops.   Oh well,  must go with the flow with this new stuff.  Spent a time yesterday trying to get my internet problems resolved.  Spent some time with a new wireless modem/router today that arrived overnight.  Maybe need to upgrade other hardware.  oh yes, both sides seem to play hard, rough....with a number of players getting cramps, etc.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on September 19, 2013, 06:19:27 am
Sorry you were having trouble with the feed. You missed some ugliness, so maybe not such a bad thing! 110 mins of trying the same thing over and over again from both teams. CC played with extreme desire.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 19, 2013, 11:13:47 am
Did notice one positive thing.  Julian was in the game for a time.  Still no M Rico though.
Sometimes the Amherst players maybe trying too hard...two bicycle kicks attempted.
With the Williams game coming up this weekend, for awhile, I thought the coach was resting some key players....seeing the score when I joined in late in the first period.  Guess Conn wanted to play up to their pre-season reviews.  This may prove to be a most interesting season.
Wonder if LePaz will show up for this weekend contest in Willie town :)
Me, will be in Clinton NY to catch a football game. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 19, 2013, 10:13:59 pm
Yes Lapaz plans on going to Amherst at Williams...My first chance at seeing the Jeffs. Williams despite its 4 goal outburst at Babson I think will have trouble scoring in this one. A coach would never rest key players in a league contest let alone a non-league. Rico is a big piece to Amherst puzzle as he keeps the game  moving along thru midfield. Both teams seem to have injury problems. I would assume Amherst will be really pumped up to beat Williams after they were eliminated last year by them..I'll go 1-1.

Midd at Bowdoin- Interesting game here. Bowdoin seems lost on defense and in goal and Midd is young and haven't played to many games yet. 1-0 Bowdoin.

Trinity at Colby- The surprise team by far in Nescac takes the long road up to Maine. Trinity has been known under Pilger to not get up for these type of games and Colby is a tough place to play with small field dimensions and a soft grass. Still Trinity has better weapons 2-0 Trinity.

Conn v Hamilton- Conn gets an impressive draw at Amherst but like I said before the season they need to turn these ties into wins or it is useless in conference. Hawkey is a workhorse with limited skill and Conn's midfield is better than Hamilton, factor in the long road trip and I say 3-0 Conn.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 21, 2013, 11:55:44 am
I'm sure Amherst vs Williams will garner the headlines, but the game of the day in the area may well be Tufts vs. Brandeis.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on September 21, 2013, 07:59:22 pm
Check out Messiah vs Montclair St being streamed out of Shoemaker Field Grantham PA in the pouring rain. Massiah 1 MS 0.
Messiah is a machine 8-), completely dominating MS in first 20 min!!!  Nice feed in HD.
NESCACers should watch as one or more will most likely face one or both teams in the NCAA tourney
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 21, 2013, 08:48:55 pm
Amherst beats Williams in Willietown 1-0 in 2ot.   Lots of ot games in the conference today.

ECSU...thanks for the heads up.  Saw Messiah beat the Amherst women team in a quarter final game a couple years ago in Pa.  Aware of the teams from Messiah.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on September 22, 2013, 08:18:16 am
Great win for Amherst over Williams yesterday. While Amherst had the edge more often, as the SH and SOG indicate (21-15, 11-3), Williams did own some moments in the game. A fair result yesterday (when we all know soccer is not always fair).
Tufts' 2-0 blanking of a highly-touted Brandeis team speaks well for NESCAC over UAA!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 23, 2013, 08:22:03 pm
Missed the games in Willie Town.  Was in Clinton NY watching Amherst in another type of football.
Thanks Jump4Joy for a "F air" post of the contest .   A point to you.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 24, 2013, 07:30:16 pm
Tufts follows up impressive win over Brandeis 3 days later with 0-0 tie against Plymouth State.  Have to wonder about the consistency for this very talented team.  Loss to Wesleyan, win over Brandeis, tie to PSU.  I wouldn't make too much of the Brandeis loss for Brandeis. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: cacalum on September 24, 2013, 08:22:00 pm
Interesting start to the season from a lot of perspectives. Seems to me that no team has really separated themselves from the pack decisively. Amherst and Tufts were widely expected to be the class of the league but seem to have hit roadblocks (Amherst 0-0 tie at home against Conn, Tufts loss to Wesleyan and tie to Plymouth State tonight) but have won some big games (Amherst 1-0 win @ Williams and Tufts win against Brandeis).

Wesleyan seems to be the biggest wildcard, as the suspensions seem to change games pretty drastically (which is what it seems like from the outside, I haven't seen Wesleyan play live yet).

I think Conn tying Amherst away is a sign of a team that might be figuring it out. I wouldn't count the camels out of making some noise in the NESCAC tournament.

Tufts can certainly play with anyone, which isn't a surprise, yet they have a couple bad results. I've seen them a bit live and they are certainly talented, looking forward to watching them play Amherst this weekend in person and seeing how they respond to a frustrating tie to Plymouth State. If they're ready to make the next step they will get a win or a result, if they aren't ready they might self-destruct. We'll see how far they've come against an Amherst team that has had a week to prepare.

Williams puzzles me again. Didn't make the drive to see the rivalry game, but Amherst does post all their goals (little tacky if you ask me, but whatever, good to be able to see things), and Fikke's goal was a great run and pass from the right midfielder (the freshman, think it's Chris Martin but not sure) but what's more alarming is that everyone on Williams is flat footed. Plenty of guys back behind the ball, none of them paying attention. Russo needs to get these guys dialed in, Williams teams don't make mistakes like that especially at that point in the game.

Anyway, those are some ramblings, I'll have more once I can get out and watch more games. Picks for the weekend:

Colby 0 @ Midd 2 - Colby can't win this game, don't think they're talented enough against a pretty impressive panther squad that looks like it's getting better every week.

Trinity 1 @ Bates 0 - Just going off of results here, haven't seen both teams play but Trinity seems to be playing better as of late.

Conn 2 @ Williams 2 - Conn can certainly play on the wings with the freshman from NYC having some good speed and Hawkey is a threat all game. Williams doesn't know who they are yet and have some injuries that are hurting them.

Tufts 0 @ Amherst 2 - Game of the weekend? I think Amherst gets a goal on a set piece (shocker) and then gets another one late when Tufts is pushing forward. Difference here is 1-15 Amherst is more talented and tougher. Tufts has the two most talented players in Hoppenot and Santos but it's towards the end of the depth chart where they will struggle. Also think the Plymouth State tie is a sign of poor leadership, good teams with good leaders win games like that. Just my opinion.

Weselyan 3 @ Hamilton 1 - Wesleyan just far more talented than Hamilton.

Sidenote: Anyone who tried to watch the Conn Amherst game via stream knows this, but that was the worst soccer game I've ever seen. Largest waste of 90+ minutes I've had in a long time. Had to get that off my chest.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 25, 2013, 12:17:30 pm
Cacalum...enjoyed your post.  Enjoy the contest this weekend...whichever team you prefer! :)
Did catch a portion of the Camel vs Jeff's game on line.  Agreed with your view...for many reasons.  Enjoy soccer more live and when I know players.  Followed Noon '13 for four years...got to know his parents from both soccer and basketball games.  Have not picked a favorite yet but am leaning towards Norton since he is from my area of the world.  One must remember that Amherst is playing a lot of young players to date and is missing Milton Rico and Julian A. play....two impact players..for many games.  Did I get my tenses right?  Oh well...can claim that English is my second language :)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on September 25, 2013, 12:26:42 pm
Williams puzzles me again. Didn't make the drive to see the rivalry game, but Amherst does post all their goals (little tacky if you ask me, but whatever, good to be able to see things), and Fikke's goal was a great run and pass from the right midfielder (the freshman, think it's Chris Martin but not sure) but what's more alarming is that everyone on Williams is flat footed. Plenty of guys back behind the ball, none of them paying attention. Russo needs to get these guys dialed in, Williams teams don't make mistakes like that especially at that point in the game.

I only caught the OTs this weekend so I didn't see much play overall, but the main thing I noticed different this year from last year is they really miss Rashid right now.  They had some opportunities but like you said they seem a little flat-footed.  He was a bit of a sparkplug last year that could make something out of nothing and I don't see that right now from the team.  I think if they can hold on and grind out some wins, they'll be a different team at the end of the year if they can get healthy.  They aren't exactly falling apart when you consider both loses came in the second OT but I don't think anything is going to come easy the way they are playing now.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bucket on September 25, 2013, 06:52:43 pm
In perhaps the most lopsided 1-0 match I have ever witnessed, Middlebury finally puts away a vastly overmatched Colby Sawyer squad in Middlebury.

Honestly, I bet CS was able to advance the ball within Middlebury's 18 twice during the entire 90 minutes of play. On the other end, under relentless pressure, the CS keeper played as if there were two of him.

The stat sheet bears this out. Midd out shoots CS 34-1. The CS keeper made 18 saves. 18. In a soccer match. He was all over the place. Other times he was in precisely the right place at the right time. Hats off to Colby Sawyer. 

Frosh Bean nets the winner w/ about 8 minutes left off a Deklan Robinson assist.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 25, 2013, 08:41:49 pm
Bucket....caught part of the game in the second half.....wanted to check out the NSN webcast.  I feel for you.....find college soccer hard to watch at times, especially online.  Still, better than pro soccer.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 29, 2013, 04:59:33 pm
After a win over Tufts on Sat afternoon, the LJs win at Bates today 3-1 on a warm sunny day.  Goal keeper Bull scored the first goal from midfield!  With about 25 minutes to go, Bates scores and cuts the lead to 2-1.  Amherst scores soon after.  Amherst dominated the play for most of the game.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 29, 2013, 08:56:40 pm
Was at Williams v Amherst a week ago and that 106 minutes of wasted time...ball flying around like a basketball, of course we will surmise that Amherst succeeded in playing "their " game. I will say the best chance of the game was the first OT until Morell made a great save on I think Caslin or Fikke not sure. Amherst is for real and will win the conference, not as good as last year but they are having injury problems. Williams def misses Rashid but what they miss most is LUCK...last year they would win those 2ot games not lose them. Defensively they seem exposed at times and offensively User looks lost and disinterested.

Was at Tufts v Trinity today- Nice first half goal on a set piece by Sam Williams, Tufts lucked out as big Sam walked in free on a defensive breakdown by Trinity. Santos didn't start(pretty sure his MONO is gone by now) and when he did play he injured his groin first minute off the bench. when he went back in he played up top. The 2nd goal was a nice play down the right flank by the speed of Tal Smith and the finish of #14 forgetting his name I think Conner Brown. Very nice finish. Tufts started in a 4-4-2 then went to a 4-2-3-1 and were much more successful. Trinity also had there chances on some set pieces and thru balls but couldn't finish. Tufts #3 Ewing cleared one off the line that had beaten the keeper. Also, This Greenwood( the keeper) kid is a HUGE improvement over that kid last year. With him in goal and the speed of that Smith kid and the steady Nakamura and of course Santos if he wakes up and Hoppenot they are a legit legit team. They are a bit susceptible in the back as there wingbacks are not great, one got benched after 10 minutes and I don't like #6 Schiable in the middle. He is a good wingback , they miss that Kramer kid a tall lanky defender from last year as he is injured. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on October 01, 2013, 06:52:32 pm
Goal by the Ephs with just under 5 minutes left to keep their season alive.  Game was audio only today because someone sent the video equipment to the wrong place it sounded like.  Williams got one 12 minutes in to take the early lead and were able to hold Midd scoreless the majority of the match despite Midd having a lot of chances.  Midd finally broke through with just about five minutes left, but Williams came right back and took the lead again a moment later.  Tough loss for Midd who could have jumped up to a tie for second with a win.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bucket on October 01, 2013, 08:07:00 pm
Midd-Williams was a great match, evenly played. Williams's first goal and Midd's equalizer came from the identical spot on nearly identical free kicks—about 21 yards out, both balls bent around the wall and inside the left post. The only difference was that the Eph's goal was low and Greg Conrad's equalizer was top corner.

Looked like we were headed to overtime after Conrad evened things up, but then Williams shocked the home crowd with a nice counter and laser shot--didn't see who scored it, maybe because I was cringing.

Both teams played well; Williams might have had a 52-48 possession, if that. So evenly played. Midd's best chance before the Conrad goal was a Glaser blast—inside the box, but very tough angle, almost parallel w/ the end line)—that was just knocked down. Subsequent volley then went wide.

Fun game. Looking forward to the rest of the season.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on October 01, 2013, 10:13:44 pm
I see that Rashid is back for Williams and already made his presence felt by assisting on the game-winning goal.  That is big news for the Ephs, as his offensive dynamism was sorely missed.  He and Muralles should form a potent duo up front going forward. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bucket on October 02, 2013, 10:44:30 am
I should have pointed out how fast to the ball the Ephs were. Their speed is quite impressive.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 04, 2013, 09:42:17 am
Nice to see the BB posters moving over here.  I admit I watch soccer games live only if they occur around the football games.  I enjoy it when I know the players and/ or their parents.  Do admit that's I prefer the "long ball" game more than the possession style....just as I like the fast break game in basketball over the "Princeton" possession approach.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 05, 2013, 09:10:25 am
Saturday Oct 5th 9am....little late but I feel like predicting. Lets see how I do.

Bowdoin at Trinity- Trinity has a real tough road ahead schedule wise. Last year they started out like this and collapsed. This year I feel might be a bit different. I underrated them in the beginning of the season as I didn't factor in some key frosh they have been key in helping them. Solid defensively, keeper a bit suspect but up front with Savonon and Carrisquillo and in midfield with Tobias they can be dangerous going forward. Also, coming off a tough week so they should get up for this game. Bowdoin has had a tough league schedule so far but the Thomas tie was shocking. They have been awful in goal since they went to the final four in 2010. They have weapons to win this game and if they go at the Trinity wingbacks they could win this however my prediction is :   1-1

Colby at Wesleyan- Colby coming off a 5-0 thrashing from Midd did beat Thomas 2-1. I feel they can stay in this game if there keeper has a decent game. He is on and off. Still have solid players in Pratt, Tollman etc and are decent defensively but have lacked any kind of scoring threat in years. Wesleyan playing there key players in league games with Sousa, Issiroff etc. I haven't seen them live yet so my guess is  :  Wesleyan 2-0

Skidmore at Williams- Liberty league vs Nescac. Skidmore has a couple key Jamacains and a Nigerian center half that could cause Williams some trouble if they come out sleeping. Williams a huge 2-1 win at Midd. Maybe the first win at Midd in 10 years for Williams. Rashid is back but not starting but Muralles playing out of his mind and Williams to solid defensively and in goal for Skidmore to score   :   Williams 2-0

Bates at Conn- Havent seen Bates but when you let a free kick goal in from halfield that tells me their keeper is either weak, small or makes horrible decisions. I do not believe they have anything up front that is dangerous for Conn to handle. Conn needs this win more than anyone today and will get it. Fast on the wings with O'Brien and frosh Weller and dangerous up front with Hawkey. Their keeper seems solid and defensively ok in the middle and suspect at wingback. I bet they come out in a 4-3-3 and go right at Bates. Bates does have a couple 0-0 draws so if they sit in maybe some trouble for Conn. Predicition :  Conn 2-1

Amherst at Hamilton- Hamilton playing very well at home. I still do not see a real scoring threat for Amherst like last year but they have managed to get goals from all around. Still they have already made long road trips to NH, Maine and now Western NY and next week again way up to Maine. At some point this might take a toll. Not today. Amherst 3-1

Midd at Tufts- Game of the day. Midd coming off a heartbreaker to Williams. They have better weapons with Glazer and Conrad who bent a great free kick ball past Williams' keeper. I still feel there backs are slow and they might have one of the worst keepers in Nescac in Collins. He is small and does not have good hands. Tufts to dangerous attacking and better in net. Midd still very dangerous on restarts as they are very big. If Tufts avoids those they can win this game.  0-0


Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 05, 2013, 09:33:38 am
It's a big NESCAC weekend for sure. LaPaz, I continue to enjoy reading your posts, especially the predictions. A couple of rebuttals:

In reference to the Williams/Amherst game, you write, "[W]e will surmise that Amherst succeeded in playing 'their' game." I become more confused by this implication. Every time Amherst plays "their" game against Williams, Williams doesn't win (they tied in NCAAs last year and advanced on PKs). In every game I've seen between these two NESCAC powerhouses, Williams looks eerily similar to Amherst in serving it long out of the back and then working to possess in the final third. So could it be that Williams has not succeeded in playing their game? ;)

Also, in defense of the Bates 'keeper last week: When there's a restart at the midstripe, most goalies cheat off the line a bit (top of 6-ish) in anticipation of a typical ball served into the mixer between the 6 and the 18. That's what this Bates 'keep did. Bull either decided to go for it (he does have the range) or got lucky. The ball dropped in just under the crossbar. So either opponents' keepers need to hold their line against Bull--even from extreme distance--which makes it easier for Amherst's targets to get to ball for a first or second ball on frame, or they continue to anticipate the service to make it difficult for targets to hit ball. Catch-22 against Amherst, apparently. Good for Bull, who should have been ROY last year (had to reiterate that point :) ). Nice to have a goalie who is a scoring/assist threat!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on October 06, 2013, 09:01:43 am
Good job by Hamilton for a good performance at home vs Amherst.
It was always just a matter of time before Hamilton found its feet in a difficult league, they have historically been a strong club.
The result means nothing however, unless they build on it with a few more solid performances.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 06, 2013, 11:46:40 am
Saint...in a great weekend for Amherst teams, the TIE against Hamilton seemed a somewhat  downer to me, an Amherst fan.  Especially, when Amherst was starting to get it's offense going.  Hamilton must have played a heck of a game against the third ranked team.  FYI, it seems that the box showed that Amherst's first Team All-American, Julian A. Was in the game.  He had been missing for all but one previous games this season.  My congrats to your Continentals!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on October 06, 2013, 07:01:30 pm
They are not my Continentals at all  my friend.
Just competed against them a few times, and they were a very solid program.

My favorite color is Red.

I think Amherst scored with seconds to go and salvaged the tie.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on October 07, 2013, 10:36:49 am
Not a lot of recent NESCAC commentary here (which I miss).

Some amateurish impressions thus far. 

Amherst is tough and will be a tough out for anyone but is not outstanding.  They lack the flair in attack of a Loras or Messiah.

The old nemesis Williams is gaining momentum and will be right there in the end.

Tufts COULD knock off either of the above in tournament play, but they also could lose to an inferior opponent.

Middlebury is close and may sneak in the NCAA tourney as the 4th NESCAC team but look for them next year to turn narrow losses into wins.

Trinity and Conn College are right on the edge.  A string of wins by either could land a NCAA spot, but I'm guessing their results will be too uneven for that to happen.  A surprise run in the NESCAC tourney may be their best hope.

Something not right at Wesleyan.  Big initial win away at Bowdoin.  Big home loss to Wheaton.  Barely, barely get by winless Colby at home.

Bowdoin playing better but just too much competition ahead of them.

Hamilton working hard to not be included in every sentence (like this one) with Colby and Bates.

Colby and Bates are very disappointing.  Hardly any offense at all.  Bates already replaced their long-time coach and you have to wonder if it is time for Colby coach (who really is a good guy and a Colby lifer) to graciously roll into emeritus status.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 10, 2013, 11:36:33 am
The league standings should come into more defined form after this weekend. A lot of teams have doubleheader league games.

Amherst-Colby,Wes and Trinity left. The title and hosting rights are in their hands. Wes is a home game and even a tie there could be fine. They usually handle Trinity and Colby, but who knows.

Wesleyan-Out of conference schedule has really killed any at-large chances unless they run the table which seems unlikely from such a young team. Games against Williams, Trinity, Conn, Amherst and Midd will most likely give them over 5 total losses and at-large even at 5 losses has been done maybe once or twice in the last 10 years.

Tufts- Still have Williams,Bowdoin,Conn left but a key non league win against Brandeis will surely put there at large into their own hands. That showdown at Williams next weekend could seal it.

Trinity-Non leagues done excellent. That 4-0 drubbing of Wheaton really took me back a little. Tough road ahead starting with at Midd, Wes, Conn, Amherst. They will finish with more than one loss. Biggest win right now is against Williams.

Williams-Non leagues done excellent. this weekend could make or break them. at Wes and at Bowdoin then Tufts at home. They win all those and they should be ok . Even a tie with Tufts would prob be fine.

Midd- Tough schedule so far, their non-leagues are horrible and they have had some bad luck. They will have to run the table and prob get to Final game of Nescac's or maybe even have to win it.

Conn- See Midd

Hamilton-Some great results at home, but the travel for them puts them at a total disadvantage this weekend and 2 losses out of league have done them in.

Bates- Totally unimpressed with the new coach. At least up until his final year Purgavie sometimes would produce decent if not tough teams to play against. This guy has had 2 years and 1 more recruiting class to figure it out.


Colby-0-5 in league but a better team than Bates and can be a tough out especially at home. I do not agree that it is time to force the coach out up there and they won't as he is to nice a guy and been there for years, plus I am sure he will be retiring in 3-4 years anyway.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NewEnglandSoccer on October 10, 2013, 03:57:37 pm
As someone who is close to the Colby coaching situation, I can safely say that Serdjenian has long overstayed his welcome. Somehow put in charge of a college soccer team, he has knowledge of the game equivalent to a poor high school coach. The assistant for the past three years (Oestergaard) was an excellent candidate, but left for UNE this year as he couldn't deal with Serdjenian's struggle to hold on to the head coaching spot.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 10, 2013, 09:17:26 pm
hmmmmmm.....someone's kid isn't getting enough playing time
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on October 11, 2013, 12:27:50 pm
hmmmmmm.....someone's kid isn't getting enough playing time

Perhaps, but unless there have been multiple injuries to multiple starters, the W/L performance to date is a head scratcher  given that most of the Colby team was coming back from last year.  You can't get rid of the entire roster, but you can get rid of.... Don't know if they should or shouldn't, but its a tough situation as at this point do you already start playing for next year and sit Sr's/Jr's and play more underclassmen? This weekend should really clarify the NESCAC playoff picture and likely possible NCAA bids.  The league is much more balanced this season, and although Amherst sits in the top slot they are not the juggernaut of the last two years, slots 2 through 8 likely still will see a lot of movement over the next two weeks.  Can any one or two teams make a run in the last 5 games...it is possible, but likely to come from the team which is the healthiest as all teams are suffering from injuries at this point...should be an exciting last  few weeks.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 11, 2013, 03:13:41 pm
Ummmm...they lost there best player Andrew Meisel in the central midfield. He made the engine run thru midfield. Very hard to replace that right away especially at Colby...
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on October 11, 2013, 07:39:43 pm
Pretty much every team lost players, but when you return 8 or 9 starters from the previous year, even without your best midfielder you should be doing better than what Colby has shown to date. One player does not make a team...even a good midfielder....now if they lost a 10 goal scoring forward, then I could understand the loss of a single player creating a big void, but still one which can be overcome with different tactics/formation.  Hopefully Colby rights the ship as they have some talented players on their roster.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: irvschmid on October 11, 2013, 07:43:46 pm
I agree with the posters regarding the overall record of Colby.   Lots of talented juniors are  on the Colby squad.   Their record does not make sense.

Trinity Middlebury could be interesting if Trinity has any magic left.   I would think Middlebury should win at home on turf.

Conn vs. Tufts at Tufts.   If Tufts gets healthy, they could do some damage in the championships.   Again, I pick Tufts at hime.   Conn College has not produced the support their fine target forward deserves. 

Williams Wesleyan could be interesting.  Wesleyan has some OK wins with one solid win against Tufts.   But Wesleyan has some confusing losses.   Williams is still searching for a winning lineup.   Williams is the better squad in this one.   

One fan's opinion. 


Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NewEnglandSoccer on October 11, 2013, 08:50:11 pm
LaPaz -- I do suppose that I came off as a little too abrasive and to the point. All I can say is that I do not, in fact, have a kid on this Colby team.

I suppose that the thing that really irks me about the Colby soccer program is the continual acceptance to finish at the bottom of the league every year. Much emphasis has been placed on the presence/absence of certain individual players on this thread, but when you broaden the scope of the picture (i.e. from the creation of the NESCAC to the present) you realize that Colby has never had a winning season. This simply cannot be a coincidence.
Bates had the same problem and made an attempt to fix it. It seems that Colby could care less about its Men's Soccer Program.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on October 12, 2013, 09:36:39 am
Trinity vs Middlebury---Middlebury plays very good defense and tries to score off their set pieces (big physical team), not that dangerous in the run of play---Trinity is much more dangerous scoring from the flow of the game---I give the edge to Trinity even on the road.

Conn vs Tufts---both teams have been hit with the injury bug this year with constant changing lineups---Tufts is very strong at home and big physically---will Conn attack and let their offense loose or bunker in and hope for the tie---I give the edge to Tufts but could end up a tie like the last two years.

Wesleyan vs Williams---Wesleyan has been a mystery this year up and down--Williams is finally getting healthy at forward--edge to the Ephs.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on October 13, 2013, 09:19:37 am
Conn dominates Tufts at home wins 2 to 1.  Surprise game?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 13, 2013, 09:25:55 am
Could be teams are underestimating Conn. Saw them play Amherst in a brutally hard-hitting, fast-paced, high pressure (also incredibly ugly) game. I wonder if yesterday's game featured the same energy that seems designed to prohibit the opponent from developing any kind of rhythm.

Side note: Amherst is on a 30-game streak without a loss. Impressive.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on October 13, 2013, 01:39:53 pm
Conn dominated 2nd half and OT vs Tufts...deserved the win...especially with 3 injured starters and lost another one yesterday. Will be interesting how Conn does vs Colby.  Amherst unbearen streak in regular season is very impressive.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on October 14, 2013, 09:30:10 pm
Didn't realize until looking at the standings that Wesleyan is still in the mix.  Seemed like they had lost every game for a couple of weeks but somehow are 4-2.  I assume with their out of conference losses they would need to win tournament or at least get to final to snag a NCAA bid.

Bowdoin is suddenly alive and Conn College had a big weekend.  Middlebury hanging in there nicely.  Trinity treading water and Tufts has to be considered mildly disappointing.

Don't know what to say about Colby.  They didn't do much better with Meisel last year. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on October 14, 2013, 09:52:12 pm
Basically 7 teams (Amherst not included since #1) fighting for playoff seedings #2 through #8.  They all play each other these last 2 1/2 weeks and all spots up for grabs as only 2 points separate #2 to #8. Middlebury has the easiest road left. Williams and Conn have all remaining nescac games at home. Wesleyan and Trinity have tough remaining away league games.  Bowdoin playing better could be a surprise. Playoff seedings and ncaa berths other than Amherst wont be decided until regular season is complete. League parity.... even Amherst has 2 ties and they could have lost to both Hamilton and Conn.  Who can get hot or stay hot and make a run?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: irvschmid on October 15, 2013, 10:44:00 pm
Could be teams are underestimating Conn. Saw them play Amherst in a brutally hard-hitting, fast-paced, high pressure (also incredibly ugly) game. I wonder if yesterday's game featured the same energy that seems designed to prohibit the opponent from developing any kind of rhythm.

Side note: Amherst is on a 30-game streak without a loss. Impressive.



Love the semantics from Jump 4 Joy.    Somehow the team that has no losses in 30 games failed to get to the final four last year. 

Impressive.   
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on October 15, 2013, 10:55:57 pm
Impressive is 9-0-2 and 30 game regular season win/tie streak.  Cant stand Amherst but it is impressive whether or not they made the final four or not. You have to give them credit.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on October 16, 2013, 05:50:59 pm

Rutgers Camden now extends unbeaten streak to 27 (22-0-5)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 17, 2013, 03:38:44 pm
Irv, make it 32!
Anyone know if any other teams, other than Rutgers Camden, in college soccer have that kind of streak going? Div 1, 2, 3? Men or women?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on October 17, 2013, 05:56:35 pm
Pretty amazing streak by Rutgers-Camden.  Any thoughts to this coming weekends games?
Tufts at Williams?
Middlebury at Bates?
Trinity at Conn?
Wesleyan at Amherst?
Colby at Hamilton?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 17, 2013, 08:01:45 pm
Colby had some great winning seasons from 1990-1993. I believe they even won the ECAC's before Nescacs could go to NCAA's. They had a great striker at the time(name I cant remember) and were 15-1-0 one of those years. Point taken though

Colby at Hamilton- Hamilton must win to keep any playoff hope alive and Colby just must have no confidence right now. Hamilton has shown well at home this year and an 8 hour bus trip to central NY doesn't help. 2-0 Hamilton.

Bowdoin at Conn- Conn is at 7-2-2 and if they win out could def be in the picture for at large consideration. Bowdoin an athletic team who will give them plenty to handle.  Big game for Nescac seeding.  I do not see many scoring chances in this game as both coaches will play it safe.  0-0

Wes at Amherst- Always a battle game. Wes was undone by Williams last week and even had a man advantage for 25minutes. They just can't score (many nescac teams problem) Wes to young to hang here and Amherst would love to clinch the title and little 3 at same time.  1-0 Amherst.

Tufts at Williams- Tufts is having some injury issues and need big time performers to step up and get motivated if they want a win in Williamstown. Williams coming off a great win at Wes on Saturday disappointed with a loss to a bigger more physical Bowdoin team. Ben Brewster was an animal in that game. Williams is a roller coaster ride with Rashid yet to find his stride. They are having big problems finishing. Tufts 2-0

Midd at Bates- Bates has been Midd's bugaboo for years. But this Bates team is one of the worst I have seen live. Midd 3-1.

Trinity in typical coach Pilger fashion failed to secure a game for the weekend leaving a open hole on their Nescac bye week. I mean from afar the guy is clueless as hell but you cant argue 7-2-2. Overachieving is an understatement and my guess is they will lose to Amherst,Conn and possibly Wes.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on October 17, 2013, 09:26:24 pm
Like your predictions/analysis for Hamilton/Colby:Amherst/Wesleyan; and middlebury/Bates.  I believe Williams will beat tufts in williamstown.  Williams is more talented and healthier and at home. Also I believe Conn will find a way to score as they have been scoring a lot lately from multiple players thus will get by bowdoin in a tough battle. Home field and big homecoming crowd will help Conn..
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on October 18, 2013, 10:31:48 am
Colby over Hamilton, 2-1, (before losing to Bowdoin and Bates).  The other way to look at the long bus ride is that it is a long way to go to come back with another loss.

Wesleyan ties Amherst 1-1.  Will be very odd if Wes finishes 2nd in NESCAC with their out-of-conference losses in terms of potential bid.

Williams 2-1 over Tufts.  Williams needs this game and Tufts has disappointed after very high expectations.

Conn vs Bowdoin.  Toughest one to pick IMHO.  Bowdoin coming on but Conn playing well and has a chance to be what we thought Tufts was going to be.  Alas, I see everything coming back to the mean and so Bowdoin wins 1-0.

Midd also coming on strong after a couple of tough, close losses earlier.  Midd 2-1 over Bates.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: cacalum on October 18, 2013, 11:12:56 am
short and sweet here as I still haven't seen enough of these teams:

Hamilton Over Colby 1-0

Amherst over Wesleyan 2-0; Amherst too tough at home and Older Aoyama is back and healthy, which is not good news for Wesleyan

Tufts over Williams 2-0; Tufts will like playing on that big field 2-0; would like to see them hit their stride here and make things interesting in the NESCAC tourney

Conn over Bowdoin 2-0; Bowdoin coming off a big win vs. Tufts but I think Conn is tougher than folks are giving them credit for. they went toe to toe with Amherst in a pretty brutal game, I don't think Bowdoin's physicality will intimidate them

Midd over Bates 3-0; Midd is becoming more and more dangerous each week those young guys get time
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on October 18, 2013, 11:35:19 am
Interesting split on the Williams-Tufts game but I've got to go Williams at home in this one.  I was able to watch the game last Saturday and they looked like a team that was getting back on track and getting to know each other better.  In the loss the next day they were flat as a pancake but after playing the last 30 mins on Saturday a man down it was predictable that they wouldn't have as much in the tank.  After having the week off to recharge and guys getting healthy, I'm expecting an effort similar to Saturday's match and not Sunday's match.  The schedule is in their favor and I think they know if they can get this one they've got a great shot at the #2 spot with Midd still having to play @ Wes. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 19, 2013, 07:38:42 pm
Irv, my bad. Now make it 32.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 20, 2013, 10:34:00 am
You can keep the count rolling for Amherst but the truth is they are not good enough to keep it going. Someone will knock them off in the next 4-5 games.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on October 20, 2013, 11:47:14 am
So I gave Colby a little too much credit.  Guess I was feeling guilty for criticizing, and then they go down 4-1 to one of the other weakest teams.

Looking ahead to NCAA bids, are Amherst and Williams the only teams that are safe (barring a Williams collapse and early conference tourney exit)?  Tufts, Wesleyan, Conn, and Trinity all appear to be on shaky ground and may need at least a run to tournament final to get a bid.  Midd and Bowdoin surging down the stretch now with the inside track? 

Will one or two of these teams benefit from relative weakness in the region outside the conference?  Babson not having a banner year (although gets crack at Bowdoin today).  Wheaton has faltered a bit.  Even Brandeis is finding tough sledding in the UAA and could be 1-3 in conference in another hour or so.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 20, 2013, 12:03:09 pm
A lot of parity in all D3 will make the regional rankings very interesting. So much parity in Nescac and UAA. WNEC and Roger Williams and Gordon in a weak league but have good records. Roger Williams some good road wins they might be #4 or #5. I'm sorry but Brandeis not a good UAA record if they lose to Emory and have no clear cut good wins except at Babson, who is coming on.

1. Amherst- No question New England #1, only question is will they get one of the 2 important bye's in NCAA's. If they win out and win Nescac tourney they will. If they lose or tie a couple more they won't get bye but will def host.


2. Williams- Win out and they will be #2, some very good road wins which helps and counts as more points. Wins at Midd,Wes and Babson will help.

3. thru #11 no clue. Toss a coin. Trinity and Bowdoin will be in there but have tough games left. Conn as well. There tie at Amherst will help. Springfield would jave been there but a loss at Babson and no clear cut good wins except WNEC. WNEC if they beat Amherst could really be #3-4.

Still to much league play left to predict
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on October 20, 2013, 08:00:10 pm
I agree with LaPaz that other than Amherst there is much parity inD3/NEzsCAC.  Williams is next best team talent wise.  The rest of nescac is truly a toss up as week to week you never know who will show up.  Thought Conn was on a roll but watched their game and while they dominated 1st half they disappeared in 2nd half.  Conn's back line gave up two very soft goals as keeper and left back had a couple of uh oh moments.  Brewster and Bowdoin clamped down and Conn couldn't get the equilizer and were left wondering how they just lost to a so so polar bear team.  Kudos to Bowdoin as they took advantage.  If Conn doesn't rebound they may unbelievably not even make the playoffs and they still have to play Trinity and Wesleyan.  Tufts is still reeling.  Middlebury is in good position.  Hamilton is still alive. Trinity and Wesleyan are still both in control but with tough games remaining.  Amherst remains the cut above despite the 2 ties yet only team this year with talent to make a small run in the tournament but likely not a deep run.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 25, 2013, 11:48:00 am
Predictions for tomorrow as always will be tough. Regional rankings were what I expected. Williams might drop a bit after a loss at ranked RPI but I do not think they will drop much. WNEC might drop a spot or 2 after a tie with Salve. Was a bit surprised the CCC got 4 teams ranked but hats off to the league but a Roger Williams vs Gordon match this weekend could be big. I have not seen any CCC team this year so if anyone out there has please fill us all in. Was a little surprised that Conn and Springfield were not ranked. Springfield vs MIT also a big match as is Trinity vs Conn.

Colby at Bowdoin- Colby 0-8 in Nescac and have taken a beating on this board. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain as they could still win the CBB. Either way their season is over Wednesday and lasted all of 2 months. This will be a battle game and while Bowdoin is more athletic I am not so sure they have any clear cut goal scorers. Bowdoin needs to keep winning to move up the regional rankings ladder so the pressure is all on them. They will handle it fine and Colby and will be sent packing. 2-0 Bowdoin

Bates at Williams- Again another team in Bates who has nothing to play for and nothing to lose. However, Williams usually gets up big after losing games. Bates I still believe is a worse team than Colby and are way to small at key positions(besides striker) and maybe central defenders to play in Nescac. Williams not a big team either but have way more weapons. Does Bates sit in and play for another useless tie and play with one striker or do they come out with reckless abandon with nothing to lose like they should. My bets are on the former with this useless English coach using this as a program builder(insert sarcasm here). If its the latter Williams blows them off the field. 4-0 Williams

Amherst at WNEC- Interesting non-league game. I have not seen WNEC play and do not know their roster but if they are reasonably big and can hang with Amherst and their set pieces, who knows. A win for WNEC here and an at-large will be a definite, so the pressure is on them really. Amherst already clinched but they need this game and a couple other wins to secure that all important BYE in the NCAA's. Big game here with tons of ramifications. Amherst 2-0

Trinity at Conn- Very interesting neither of these teams were ranked. Conn has some good road wins but I think they based it on SOS and Trinity has one GOOD win at home over Williams. The loss to Wesleyan really hurt as they missed a PK. They are really reeling right now. I was surprised Conn couldn't get at least a draw with Bowdoin last week and that hurt them. Winner of this game will be ranked. 1-1

Tufts at Hamilton- Hamilton has played very well at home and Tufts is reeling and has no confidence right now. Pressure all on Hamilton as they need a win here to stay in playoff picture. 3 years and they still can't crack the top 8 in Nescac. I think Tufts  has better talent and if they could get Santos back and playing before the tourney they could make a good run in Nescac's. No one would want to play them in the first round. They are a small team and I think that has hurt them in the physical league that Nescac has become. However, they are very quick up front even without Santos and can score goals. The keeper who is a big improvement over last years keeper was red carded last week at Williams so he will need to sit out. This could be a huge problem. Tufts rolls into central NY and comes away with a victory. 2-1

Midd at Wes- Battle game for seeding and possible 2nd or 3rd place. Can Wesleyan contain Glazer and can they find a goal of their own. Toss a coin here. 0-0
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on October 25, 2013, 12:07:28 pm
I was writing this before seeing LaPaz...

Where's all the usual NESCAC interest?

Some key games this weekend with a few teams facing a rapidly closing door for an at large bid.

Trinity at Conn Coll -- I'm guessing the loser of this one is out, and that the winner may need to win the final game (Trinity has Amherst and Conn has Wesleyan) as well as at least a quarterfinal game in the NESCAC tourney.  At this point don't see either squad having a clear advantage so looks like toss-up game.

Hamilton hosting Tufts -- Long odds for Hamilton facing Tufts and then away at Williams.  Tufts has really underformed relative to very high expectations.  The win over Brandeis can only go so far, especially with Brandeis struggling recently as well.  This could be a tough one for Tufts on the road before closing with a hot Bowdoin team.  I'm guessing Tufts will have to win the NESCAC tourney to get a bid, or at least win the final two and then make a run to the final.

Wesleyan hosting Midd -- Massive game for both teams.  Guessing both need this game and a win or two in the tourney to snag a bid.  Wes will still have an away game at Conn Coll which may or not be huge depending on results tomorrow.  For an at large bid Wes also needs to overcome their non-conference losses.

Bowdoin vs Colby -- Potential trap game for Bowdoin.  They've been hot but is this a rival "throw out the records" game?  Bowdoin needs game badly as they close on the road at Tufts which will be a game Tufts desperately will need.

Williams hosting Bates -- Hate to be Bates with Williams coming off loss to RPI.  Williams looks to be in good shape as they close with Hamilton, but a surprise loss in either game could make things hairy for the Ephs.

Will the NESCAC get 4 bids even if not deserving?  Have they been limited to 3 in any recent years?

Do some of you NESCAC followers believe results thus far are due to the conference being down, parity, or both?

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on October 25, 2013, 12:24:11 pm
Other than not mentioning them at all, what can one say about Colby?  When was the last time they finished in top 4 or even top 6 or got to NESCAC tourney semis?  Probably splitting hairs to say who is stronger or weaker between Bates and Colby but this year seems pretty clear that Bates has been in more games and more competitive overall.  Still a mystery to me how these two very attractive schools can't attract better recruits. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on October 25, 2013, 12:56:19 pm
Who knows what this weekend will bring....one thing for certain is the uncertainty.  Big/crucial games this weekend are Wesleyan vs Middlebury and Trinity vs Conn as the rest there is a clear cut favorite in every game.  Losers of these 2 games will be in stormy waters with no chance of NCAAs and an awful seeding in the league playoffs as no one wants to fall to #8 and face Amherst in game #1.  I like Middlebury and Conn in these games, which of course means that Wesleyan and Trinity will likely win...just like at the casino those with smart $$ go against my bets.  Should be eventful soccer watching this weekend.  Go NESCAC.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 25, 2013, 02:22:24 pm
With regional rankings being a major factor I can only see Amherst as a definite bid. Williams and Midd might need to get to final, but Midd's SOS is not as good and Williams won head to head. Bowdoin in good shape  with win against Williams and tie vs Midd...early results were not very good. They will need a good run. Trinity and Conn a run to finals will get them ranked a depending on other teams results get them IN. All other teams will have to win league tourney.

Colby was 5th place a couple years ago...Bates under Purgavie used to sneak in almost every year and one year I think 2006 made the semi's. Hey its not easy. Just ask Nizzi at Hamilton who used to go 9-3-4 or whatever in Liberty league and even make NCAA's...guy can barely get 4 wins a year now.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CacCaptain on October 25, 2013, 03:26:16 pm
It is hard for me to believe the NESCAC would only receive 2 or even 3 bids to the tourney. I understand the records of the top 4 or 5 teams are worse than in years past (excluding Amherst) but this is due in large part to the top 8 all beating each other up.

The NESCAC out of conference record is 33-6-3 to this point (if my math is right), so it's hard to argue against the CAC dominance.

Does anyone have insight into the selections committee's thoughts here? It's possible an 8 win team could be the 2 seed and a couple upsets in the tourney could make it near impossible to choose between seeds 2-8. Could parity truly penalize the CAC and result in only 2 tournament teams despite the league's dominance?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 25, 2013, 09:02:22 pm
Happened in 2011---2 bids Amherst and Trinity...all based on regional rankings...When Nescac teams beat each other up it does the league no favors for more teams especially when you have teams like Gordon who play no one and are 14-1-0. Besides Gordon though WNEC, MIT and Roger Williams have beaten some decent teams.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on October 25, 2013, 10:52:11 pm
LaPaz, I checked and there were 3 in 2011.  You missed Wesleyan.  Interestingly, the UAA only had 2 in 2011 and then a whopping 5 in 2012.  I didn't realize there are only 19 Pool C bids, so the UAA had more than 25% of the total last year and combined with NESCAC those two conferences had basically half of the total at large bids.  Way too many automatic qualifiers IMHO with many high quality teams getting left out.

I was curious about Colby.  They were 5th in 2010 with a conference record of 4-5 and overall record of 7-7-1.  Their only seasons above .500 going all the way back to 2000 were in 2008 (7-6-1) and 2006 (6-5-3).  With the exception of the 5th place finish in 2010, over the last 13 years years they have finished 10th 3 times, 9th 5 times, and 8th 4 times.  They did fairly well throughout the decade of the 90s, including VERY well from 1990 through 1994 with a 16-1-1 season in '93, 13-1-2 in '90 and 11-3-2 in '94.  They also had strong years in '82, '79 and '78.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 26, 2013, 05:54:57 pm
Jeffs: 33 games without a loss.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 26, 2013, 11:30:42 pm
Happened in 2011---2 bids Amherst and Trinity...all based on regional rankings...When Nescac teams beat each other up it does the league no favors for more teams especially when you have teams like Gordon who play no one and are 14-1-0. Besides Gordon though WNEC, MIT and Roger Williams have beaten some decent teams.
As to conference teams beating up on another, I don't see it as hurting just that much for the teams that come out in the top 3 or 4 sports.  Strength of schedule is very important to the selection committee, and you get that being in a strong conference.  Sure, teams pick up more losses, but observing the committee's at-large selections over the years I get the feeling that the committee is much more forgiving of losses to good teams than they are of a lack of wins against ranked teams.

Gordon's schedule certainly isn't very tough, relatively speaking.  They have beaten two of the three other non-NESCAC team you mention (Roger Williams and WNEC).  Time will tell, but Gordon may be on the ascent.  Maybe.  One surprising regular season isn't enough to tell, of course.  But they have a new head coach, Derek Pottieger, a D-I All-American at Penn State, a decent A-League/USL pro player, and most recently assistant to Dave Brandt (6 national titles at Messiah) during the first three years of Brandt's tenure at Navy.  Potteiger is assisted by Nick Thompson (Messiah All-American).  And Gordon currently has three players from Cuyahoga Valley Christian Academy, a school which provided Messiah with several eventual All-Americans, including Nick Thompson and Kai Kasiguran, the 2007 D-III Player-of-the-Year and older brother of two of Gordon's players.  Add to that a great season that can only help their recruiting, and Gordon might be able to build a top program over the coming years.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on October 27, 2013, 10:39:47 am
Jeffs: 33 games without a loss.
stats of the game show that despite only a 1 to 0 victory the Lord Jeffs dominated the game from start to finish....word is it could have been 6 to0 if Amherst finished better.  No one wants to finish 8th and play them in first round of Nescac playoffs.  Playoff seedings #2 to #8 shuffling still up for grabs. Big win by Wesleyan over Middlebury.
CONN got some starters back from injury and dominated Trinity....5 goals in a nescac game really? WILLIAMS getting healthier handled Bates easily although they didn't finish as well as coach Russo wants.  Bowdoin rolls and Tufts stays alive. Big games Tuesday Bowdoin at Tufts and Wednesday Wesleyan at Conn....the topsy turvy season continues and Amherst keeps rolling on
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 27, 2013, 01:15:17 pm
This is a Nescac board...not one of your Messiah pom pom cheerleading boards. New England soccer people are well aware of the Messiah connections at Gordon and its Christian roots...Maybe they can dominate a weak league like Messiah does year in and year out. If only there were more D1 schools for these Christian right wing nuts to send their kids.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on October 27, 2013, 01:23:58 pm
With OWU almost certain to drop after 2 draws will Amherst climb to #1 in at least the NCAA poll?  Messiah and Rutgers-Camden appear to be the other competitors for the top spot.  All four of these schools have had impressive streaks.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 28, 2013, 10:54:44 am
This is a Nescac board...not one of your Messiah pom pom cheerleading boards. New England soccer people are well aware of the Messiah connections at Gordon and its Christian roots...Maybe they can dominate a weak league like Messiah does year in and year out. If only there were more D1 schools for these Christian right wing nuts to send their kids.

LaPaz -- no need to go all political here. Thanks.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Flying Weasel on October 28, 2013, 10:47:41 pm
This is a Nescac board...not one of your Messiah pom pom cheerleading boards. New England soccer people are well aware of the Messiah connections at Gordon and its Christian roots...Maybe they can dominate a weak league like Messiah does year in and year out. If only there were more D1 schools for these Christian right wing nuts to send their kids.

Sorry you took such offense, La Paz.  Since you took a swipe at the 14-1-0 record that Gordon has posted, I thought it fair to suggest that their 14-1-0 record might reflect more than just a weak schedule (though it certainly is a reflection of that).  BTW, it's exactly this type of information that I wish was shared more on this message board.  Who can possibly keep up on all the coaching changes, roster changes, recruiting classes, injuries, etc. and the potential they bring to change a program's immediate, short-term, and long-term fortunes?  So it's helpful and educational when everyone shares the insights, info, and knowledge they have.  Maybe all you New England soccer people knew about the situation at Gordon, but not everyone on this message board is a knowledgeable New England soccer person.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on October 29, 2013, 09:20:06 am
Fair enough....I was having a bad day...sorry about that..anyway

Today:

Bowdoin at Tufts- Hige game for seeding in Nescac. Bowdoin I think has won 6 or 7 in a row, while Tufts is coming off a thrilling victory at Hamilton. The ref did them no favors in central Ny by booking them 5v times and giving a straight red. The red went to Holliday who can be replaced for this game without much difference. They get there #1 keeper back after suspension. This team / coach do confuse me as Hoppenot ( who scored the lone goal did not start). He has benched Santos, Nakomura and Hoppenot all this season. Anyway, I think if Tufts plays there game at home they can win this and get a home field for Nescac quarters. Bowdoin on a roll and wouldn't be suprised to see  them sit in a bit and let Tufts come at them. A tie is enough for Bowdoin to host. Tufts must take Brewster out of the game and go at the other Bowdoin defenders who I think are weak.  2-1 Tufts
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on October 29, 2013, 06:17:16 pm
LaPaz predicted a 1-goal separation between Jumbos and Polar Bears, so he was right: Tufts, 1-0, for the home berth on Saturday. These teams were playing for home field adv. last year at this time, too, with Tufts winning the prize then.

Check out the NCAA (NSCAA) rankings this week. Amherst #1, but only one other NESCAC team (Bowdoin) in the top 25. Could be trouble come berth time???
http://www.nscaatv.com/rankings/2746/NCAADivisionIII/men/National/Poll9
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on October 30, 2013, 11:05:50 am
Big game today Wesleyan at Conn which will solidify the playoff seedings.  tough game to call.  If Wesleyan wins then they likely will end up in 3rd and Conn #7.  Wesleyan would play Middlebury.  Conn would travel to Williams.  If Conn wins Wesleyan likely will still end up in 3rd, but Conn in #6 for a rematch Saturday at Wesleyan.  Middlebury would travel to Williams (assuming Williams beats Hamilton which is not a given).  If I'm Conn better to win today and play rematch vs Wesleyan than travel out to Williams for Saturday.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on October 30, 2013, 01:06:46 pm

Predictions on Amherst at Trinity?    I would think 2-0 Amherst...
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on October 30, 2013, 05:08:10 pm
Amherst wins over Trinity in Hartford this afternoon...4-0.  Trinity's announcers started off slow by calling the LJs Williams for about 10 minutes...catch himself and making the error again.  He did come back strong for the rest of the game.  Announcers stated that Hamilton won against Williams...thereby eliminating the Bantams from the playoffs.  Amherst would have met Trinity again in the first round...it seems.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on October 30, 2013, 05:20:31 pm
Very rough game at Williams which won't show up in the stat sheet because non-calls don't get recorded.  Both ways, it wasn't one sided at all.  Williams flat out blew getting a point with a missed penalty kick that was at least 5 ft over the crossbar.  Hamilton's game winner came between Morrell's legs which I'm sure he'll be kicking himself about. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on October 30, 2013, 05:41:14 pm
Did Colby really lose 5-1 at home against Bates?  0-10 for the season.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on October 31, 2013, 11:17:42 am
Anyone want to take a shot at how NCAA bids are going to play out for the NESCAC?

Amherst looks to be the only entirely safe team and the only team that could survive a quarterfinal loss.  I don't see how the rest could get a bid without winning at least 1 game, and most would seem to need at least 2 games.  If the winner of Bowdoin vs Tufts managed to beat Amherst in the semis that would probably earn a bid.  I don't see Wesleyan getting a bid unless they beat Conn again, and also think the loser of Midd vs Williams will be out.  And I wouldn't be surprised if the semifinal in that half of the bracket is for a bid.  In other words, I could see NESCAC only getting 2 teams and at most 3 (if Amherst is upset in the quarters or semis).  Anyone see this differently?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: KICKIN95 on October 31, 2013, 11:49:23 am
Watched some of the Trinity v Amherst match.  Amherst had little problem disposing of Trinity.  I thought the commentators were more entertaining than the match, I think they finally realized Trinity was actually playing Amherst instead of "Williams" about 5 min before the end of the 1st half.  If there wasn't video streaming with this match you would have been lead to believe this was a closely fought battle.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on October 31, 2013, 11:56:13 am
Other than Amherst, everyone else really has to get to the finals to get a bid, with Williams the only other who could get a bid with one win in playoffs, and it looks like Williams gave away a game yesterday vs Hamilton completely outshooting them, missing a PK and unable to finish--so who truly knows about Williams.   there may only be 2 teams this year from NESCAC.  Wesleyan would have to get to the finals to get a bid as there out of conference play was not good.  Reading stats and write up of yesterday's game vs Conn looks like Wesleyan was outplayed, but found a way to win, thus rematch on Saturday could go either way.  By losing yesterday no way Conn could get a bid unless they won the tournament.  Wesleyan would have to make the finals to get a bid, same with Bowdoin/Tufts/Middlebury.  Crazy season as they all continue to beat each other up in the standings demonstrating little difference in talent/competitiveness between #' 2 through #8, yet likely only two bids this year, but anyone of other 7 could do well if they got the bid given how competitive the league has been.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: cacalum on October 31, 2013, 12:21:59 pm
Best part of the season here folks, NESCAC Tournament.

Will try and opine on NCAA bids later this weekend as I haven't had the time to look at the rest of the country and what it means for the NESCAC, will try and take a closer look this weekend and hopefully catch a game in-person as well.

Quarterfinal picks:

8. Hamilton at 1. Amherst (Amherst 1-0)
Amherst has rolled through the NESCAC this year besides for two blemishes in Hamilton and Conn College. They will be looking for a little payback and combined with them being at home and motivated I think they get this one done. Julien Aoyoama by all reports is rounding into shape and Hamilton only saw Aoyoama Lite in the first game (his younger brother). That being said Hamilton will not be afraid of the Jeffs as they probably (rightly so) feel they should have gotten 3 points at home. Still think Amherst has too many weapons here though.

7. Conn at 2. Wesleyan (0-0; Wes in PKs)
Wesleyan won the regular season match-up 1-0 yesterday. This pick comes from a couple of things: 1.) Wesleyan will tighten up in the back as they always have and play defense first and 2.) Wesleyan has not scored more than 1 goal in a game since the first week in September. Conn will try and stretch the game with their attacking players and particularly Hawkey but I don't think they have enough weapons to punch one in, especially @ the "birdcage." I'll go with the home squad in PKs but don't really have a particular reason other than that they are at home. I like Sousa for them btw, seems to be a pretty steady player.

6. Midd at 3. Williams (Midd 2-1)
Williams won 2-1 in the regular season matchup in early October. The beginning of this game means a lot for a couple reasons. First off, sounds like Williams really let one go yesterday against Hamilton at home and a couple guys might be hanging their heads a little lower today than yesterday. Combine that with the youth of Middlebury and if Williams lets Midd think they can win the game in the first 20, I think it might swing in Midd's favor.  I like Batista a lot, as well as Tyler Smith. Williams has never really gotten on track in my opinion this year. They're not as potent in attack as one would like to see.  Midd gets the win.

5. Bowdoin at 4. Tufts (Tufts 2-1)
Really hope this game is more interesting than the one I saw on webcast earlier this week, which was an absolute snore. Hoppenot the difference here as Bowdoin scores one late to make it interesting.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on October 31, 2013, 01:46:04 pm
Conn Coll over Wes -- 2-1 -- Wes has been too uneven to beat a decent to good team 2 times in one week, and Conn has demonstrated more overall firepower.

Amherst over Hamilton 4-0, could be 5-0.

Bowdoin over Tufts in PKs

Williams over Middlebury 2-0 -- Based on Williams always sticks around long enough to torture Amherst and Midd is a year away

In semis, Amherst takes out Bowdoin (or Tufts) 3-1 and Williams beats Conn 2-1

Williams wins in final 1-0

In above scenario I would only have Amherst and Williams going to NCAAs with possible 3rd bid going to Bowdoin if Bowdoin does in fact get by Tufts and then plays very competitively against Amherst or manages to beat Amherst.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on October 31, 2013, 04:38:58 pm
Hamilton can shock Amherst.
They have not been in the Tourney in a while, and would love nothing better than to Dance again.
Hamilton simply have more to play for than Amherst.
Amherst knows they are a lock for NCAAs, but will also remember they are playing one of the few teams to take points from them.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on October 31, 2013, 07:58:00 pm
Amherst will be looking to enact revenge on Hamilton for the earlier tie.  My guess is at least 3 to 0 for Amherst.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 12SNoon on November 01, 2013, 09:31:11 pm
Decided to join the board when things started to matter.

Predictions:

Amherst 3
Hamilton 0

Tufts 1
Bowdoin 0

Williams 1
Middlebury 0

Wesleyan 2
Conn College 1


Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 02, 2013, 04:04:15 pm
All good predictions wrt to the Amherst game.  After a scoreless first half, Amherst surges to a 3-0 lead in the second half.  With many subs in, Amherst goes ahead 4-0 with less than two minutes to go.  Turned the game off.  Final score, Amherst 4, Hamilton 1.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on November 02, 2013, 04:28:05 pm
All good predictions wrt to the Amherst game.  After a scoreless first half, Amherst surges to a 3-0 lead in the second half.  With many subs in, Amherst goes ahead 4-0 with less than two minutes to go.  Turned the game off.  Final score, Amherst 4, Hamilton 1.

Congrats, amh63, Amherst has clinched regular season?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CacCaptain on November 04, 2013, 11:48:20 am
http://bennettranking.com/men/d3

Has anyone else seen this computer based (seemingly unbiased) ranking site. Very interesting and takes factors like strength of schedule into account. For example it has Tufts at 8 in the country in large part because they've played the hardest schedule in the nation this season (according to their analytics).

7 Nescac teams in the top 16. If only the NCAA would take a look at this.



Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 04, 2013, 12:11:41 pm
I'd have to think that in addition to Amherst, both Williams (previously ranked fourth in the region, added a second win over Middlebury to strong wins over Conn College, Tufts, and Wesleyan) and Bowdoin (previously ranked third in region, may slip after a rough week but did manage to advance in PKs to the NESCAC semis) are both now in the NCAA tourney.  The two losses to Wesleyan may have knocked Conn out; at best they are barely on the bubble, and Midd is likewise barely on the bubble.  I think Wesleyan (may now be in, may need a result vs. Williams in the NESCAC semis, a win would lock up a berth for sure) will be the fourth NESCAC team in.

In sum, assuming Amherst beats Bowdoin (no lock), I'd say that the NESCAC NCAA picture looks like this: 1. Amherst (in) 2. Winner of Williams/Wesleyan (in) 3. Bowdoin (likely in) 4. Loser of Williams/Wesleyan (if Williams likely in, if Wesleyan on the fence) //// 5. Middlebury (likely out), 6. Conn (likely out).   
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 04, 2013, 01:13:37 pm
Seems overly optimistic.

I would say Bowdoin needs to beat Amherst, and that only winner of Williams vs Wes is in.  Based on results, these teams have relatively mediocre records and some weak results.  If Williams got in at 10-6 that would be very generous with losses to Trinity and Hamilton (and also RPI and Bowdoin).  Wes at 9-6-1 would be a gift, especially with losses to Wheaton, Western New England and Hamilton.  Bowdoin in my view has slightly stronger overall results but still would be very fortunate at 8-4-4.  There is no argument for any of the quarterfinal losers.

I don't see any reasonable argument for the NESCAC getting more than 3 bids, and if they were any other conference not named UAA they wouldn't get more than 2.

I do give the Wesleyan coach credit for overcoming off the field distractions and a 5-4-1 start.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 04, 2013, 01:30:58 pm
Look at the last regional rankings:

http://www.nscaatv.com/rankings/2742/NCAADivisionIII/men/NewEngland/Poll9

There are always a lot of at-large teams from New England, which is one of the bigger regions, and a lot of NESCAC teams are among the highly-ranked teams in New England (may be some changes this week, but Bowdoin and Williams will both be in the top six, I'd expect, regionally).  Unless there are a LOT of upsets in conference tourney play (like Gordon and MIT both losing in conference tournaments), there should be at LEAST two and quite possibly three at-large teams from the NESCAC. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 04, 2013, 01:45:31 pm
You're looking at the wrong regional rankings.  The NCAA rankings are the ones that count, which is even more generous to Williams (#2 in 11/30 ranking), albeit before the Hamilton loss.  They don't have to take a certain quota from New England, so a 3rd and 4th NESCAC team at least in theory could be competing for a spot with Wartburg or Oberlin or Swat or Haverford or a 3rd NJAC team or whatever.  At least that's my understanding.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 04, 2013, 01:48:09 pm
http://www.d3soccer.com/rankings/2013/Men/regional-rankings-2

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 04, 2013, 02:22:58 pm
Woops, you are right, I was looking at the wrong rankings.  Those do indeed pain a less optimistic picture for NESCAC.  I would think a win vs. Hamilton balanced out a bit by a loss vs. Midd would not cause Williams to drop TOO far -- they should still be in with a result vs. Wesleyan, and have a good shot even with a loss.  Things look bleak for the rest of NESCAC, though.  Bowdoin likely needs at worst a tie vs. Amherst (and maybe even needs a win), and Wesleyan almost certainly needs to beat Williams to make it in. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 04, 2013, 03:18:21 pm
For the last published ranking this Weds I would guess Williams will drop a couple of spots, Bowdoin will stay about the same, and Wes could move up a few spots.  And then we won't know the final adjustments after this coming weekend's results.  My prediction is that they get 3.  The third pick will be dicey unless Bowdoin gets to the final in which case my bet is that the Williams vs Wes loser is screwed, although maybe that is the one scenario for a 4th bid if Williams is the semifinal loser.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on November 04, 2013, 03:59:16 pm
Amherst is in.  Williams is in win or lose (but they will beat Wesleyan who barely beat Conn in rematch).  3rd team, if any, will be Bowdoin.  3 teams at best from NESCAC this year, but could only be 2 if Amherst destroys Bowdoin in semi's (which is very possible).  NESCAC teams (other than Amherst) took turns beating up on each other greatly decreasing the chances of more than 2 teams this year.  Truthfully there really isn't much difference between any of Williams, Wesleyan, Bowdoin, Conn, Middlebury and Tufts as they are all about equal and a coin toss to pick any other team(s) other than Amherst.  This is not to say these teams are not good, because they are, but none of them are consistently good whether its game to game or even half to half.  Good luck to Amherst (god it kills me to say that), but they are the only team with a realistic chance out of NESCAC to get on a run in the NCAA tourney. Very entertaining soccer this year throughout the NESCAC--congratulations to all the teams/players/coaches.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 04, 2013, 04:08:53 pm
I don't see Williams as automatic unless just based on reputation.  They don't have results that separate them from Bowdoin or Wes.  In fact, those 3 teams have all beaten each other.  Losing to Hamilton at home knowing a lot was on the line in my mind was a real ding.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 04, 2013, 04:40:40 pm
Nothing is based on reputation...1.SOS....2.record vs ranked teams in any of the 3 rankings......3. quality road wins....it mystifies me how you think Bowdoin wont drop after going 0-1-1 this week against an unranked but very good Tufts team and how Williams will drop 3-4 spots..also, remember Wesleyan went 2-0-0 and was ranked 11th last week and won at Bowdoin earlier this year. They will need to beat Williams and at least tie Amherst in final. Williams I think will need to get at least a tie or maybe a win against Wesleyan. Bowdoin needs to win out as I suspect they will have dropped to #11 in regional rankings this week. Brandeis could pass Williams with a win against a ranked Chicago team and a tie against a ranked Wash U and a win that hurts them against Mt.Ida. After that Roger Williams and WNEC will drop MAYBE MAYBE MIT passes Williams and MAYBE Gordon.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 04, 2013, 07:09:22 pm
I suggested Williams would drop a couple of spots, not 3-4, even though I think they SHOULD drop 3-4.   Bowdoin may drop a spot or two but they also weren't at #2, and a very close away loss to Tufts should be less of an impact than a home loss to Hamilton, especially when a couple of days later Bowdoin advanced against Tufts.  And didn't Bowdoin beat Williams?  And I imagine Wesleyan will move up several spots.  I think Bowdoin could potentially get in beating Amherst and losing the final.  I personally think Williams and Wesleyan need another win.

Brandeis is hard to judge rankings-wise, because they like Dickinson, they stayed high forever even with weak results, and now they with the good weekend they just had I guess they are fine.

What happens with Wheaton, assuming MIT wins the NEWMAC tourney, also will be interesting.  There will be a real mess if someone like Babson wins their tournament and if Gordon doesn't win.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: cacalum on November 04, 2013, 07:23:20 pm
Agree with La Paz on this one. The problem for the NESCAC this year is that while folks have beaten up on each other 2-8 (which is something that happened in previous years), there are multiple teams in New England with strong records that will get in before the NESCAC 3rd or 4th best team. Forgive me for not looking this up, but the years when the NESCAC has done so well with bids have been years where the league has literally not lost a game out-of-conference or lost very very few. That's an argument that you can win when your 8th place team is smoking the team from a weak conference with a great overall record but not one you can win when your team's in the 2-8 slots tie teams like Thomas or Plymouth State.

Also, folks who know this stuff more than I do, does the Chicago-Brandeis game count in the regional rankings? Forgive my ignorance but I somehow remember this being counted as out-of-region and not included in the regional rankings but incorporated in Pool C discussions? The reason I remember is that I think UAA teams have had pretty loud arguments (rightly-so) in that they were being punished for being in a multi-region conference when it came to regional rankings.  Figured I'd ask the question here as I'm sure someone must have the right info here.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 04, 2013, 07:41:00 pm
Just realized Bowdoin is all the way down at #8.  Yeah, I don't think a 1 goal away loss to Tufts and then advancing over Tufts moves them down at all and wouldn't be shocked to see them move up a spot or two.  I expect RWU to drop.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: OWUSoccer on November 05, 2013, 10:46:27 am
I'd guess three teams get bids - too much beating up on each other and a few other teams in the region outside the NESCAC racking up gaudy records mean that those bubble teams need to pray others take care of their business.

As an aside, wherever those Bennett Rankings came from they're absurd and clearly weighted towards the NESCAC and UAA.  Any ranking that has Tufts (8-5-2, or barely winning more than half of their games) at #8 while Ohio Wesleyan (18-0-2) is #24, York (16-2) is #29 and Salisbury (16-2) is #55 (!!) cannot be taken even remotely seriously.  Maybe even more telling, somehow Colby (4-10, ZERO conference wins) is at #67 (top 20% of all D3 teams), ahead of Kenyon, DePauw, Susquehanna, Texas-Dallas, Dominican, John Carroll, etc.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Christan Shirk on November 05, 2013, 05:02:49 pm
Also, folks who know this stuff more than I do, does the Chicago-Brandeis game count in the regional rankings? Forgive my ignorance but I somehow remember this being counted as out-of-region and not included in the regional rankings but incorporated in Pool C discussions? The reason I remember is that I think UAA teams have had pretty loud arguments (rightly-so) in that they were being punished for being in a multi-region conference when it came to regional rankings.  Figured I'd ask the question here as I'm sure someone must have the right info here.
All conference games have always been considered in-region.  That's not in print anywhere that I know, but in practice all conference games, even for multi-region conferences have been included in in-region records.  BUT . . . starting this year, there is no "in-region" criteria.  They have done away with that.  I wrote about it in this column: http://d3soccer.com/columns/around-the-nation/2013/ncaa-regional-rankings-with-new-criteria .  The primiary criteria now includes all D-III opponents regardless of region. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on November 07, 2013, 07:53:42 am
Ok so final regional rankings are out and top teams are getting knocked out of their conference tournaments. Pool C's are dwindling but I still feel New England will get its fair shake. Nescac got screwed a bit. Williams dropping to #5 with a good SOS and a 4-3-1 record against ranked opponents. They have played half there games against ranked opponents.  Not sure how WNEC jumped them. Gordon played 20 games 3 against ranked opponents is 3rd and I guess will get an at large. Even Brandeis, I look at that schedule and do not see any GOOD road wins and ONE GOOD win against a suspect Chicago team. They will get an at-large even being at the bottom of the UAA. Wesleyan deserved better they have the best SOS in the country and finished solo 2nd in Nescac. Bowdoin as suspected was dropped. Bowdoin and Wesleyan must win conference tourney. Amherst all set and Williams is our "bubble" team. Williams must beat Wesleyan and I think they will get in. Amherst must win tournament to have a chance at a NCAA BYE.

Wesleyan vs Williams- I haven't seen Wesleyan since their game against Amherst. Excellent results in last 4 games all 1-0 wins. As usual they are very organized defensively and dangerous on the counter but I still feel this team is very young and have no clear cut goal scorers. I have noticed Issiroff is back but not starting, so that is a good sign as he is dangerous but maybe not fully fit yet. Bratt and Gruner are good backbone players. Keeper when I saw him looked a bit suspect but maybe he is gaining his confidence as he is only a frosh. I still cant believe they shut out CONN twice in same week. Conn has a good attacking team. I am guessing Wesleyan is really sitting in with 4-2-3-1 but really a 4-5-1 defensively. Williams is your Nescac roller coaster team. They work hard and will get chances but can they finish them? Also, looks like they moved Lima( a captain) out of the back. I am guessing he is getting blame for Hamilton loss? Very hard for coaches to do this end of season and keep team harmony. I wonder what is going on inside that locker room.     Toss a coin

Amherst v Bowdoin- Amherst keeps rolling along. They have great size and set pieces and long throws and corners are there game. they are in a 4-3-3 last time I saw them and feel there most dangerous kid could be the frosh Martin. I really like his game as he is blazing fast. Best keeper in league with a solid back 4 with Caslin sitting in front of them. They are tough to break down but still not nearly as dangerous as the 2012 team and someone whether here or in NCAA's will beat them. Amherst beat Bowdoin early in the season but this is a different Bowdoin team. They can match Amherst athletically and Brewster might be the best player on the field. They have switched keepers to a frosh and have another incoming frosh keeper who is good. I think they are weakest in midfield and Amherst will take advantage in the middle of the park. This game will make your eyes sore from its ugliness, so watch with caution as the ball will be in the air 80-85% of time.     Toss a coin





Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on November 07, 2013, 05:48:03 pm
Semi predictions:

Williams over Wesleyan--While Williams has not done a great job at finishing this year much to Coach Russo's dismay they will find a way to play more physical than Wesleyan, and while scoring opportunities don't present themselves often against Wesleyan (ask Conn) Williams will find a way to score as their forwards are rounding into shape.   Wesleyan relies solely on the counter attack and will not get any good opportunities against Williams.  Williams 1 Wesleyan 0.   Another Wesleyan 1 to 0 score, but Wesleyan will be on the wrong end.

Amherst over Bowdoin--Amherst is the clear class  (did I really say that) of the league this year, although their playing style certainly cannot be called first class.  This is not a quality Bowdoin team, a good team--yes, but not nearly as talented or deep as Amherst.  While Bowdoin's record is OK, this is the weakest Bowdoin team in the last 4 years.  Amherst will dominate because they have the talent and physicality to do so.  Amherst 2 Bowdoin 0,  although shots and corners will be dominate in Amherst's favor.   Bowdoin's center back is very good, but he can't cover them all and Amherst will put Bowdoin under siege for most of the day.

Final:  Amherst 2 Williams 1.  Slugfest rematch of last years final, but Amherst finds a way to score twice and Williams can only push one across.

NCAA bids to Amherst and Williams only.  Rest of the League is pretty close, but butchered each other up and too many other great records in other non-NESCAC leagues in New England to ignore.   Now if the NESCAC league allowed their teams to play 4 additional non-league games so they had 18 games, then their possibly could have been more bids (up to 4), but since only 14 games and a year of parity other than Amherst only two bids will emerge.  Good luck to all 4 teams this weekend....who knows maybe there will be some upsets...after all that's why they settle it on the pitch.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 07, 2013, 05:59:56 pm
What the heck, I'll go the other way.

Bowdoin over Amherst 1-0.  If Lycoming can beat Messiah when outshot 32-2 then Bowdoin can get by Amherst.  Bowdoin played 2 good games with Tufts down the stretch and Tufts may have been closest to Amherst talent-wise.

Wesleyan over Williams in PKs.  Williams just hasn't seemed right, and after some confusing results earlier Wesleyan seems to have some karma on their side.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 12SNoon on November 09, 2013, 10:38:34 am
This weekend:

Amherst (2-0) 4 GF, 1 GA

Williams (1-1) 3 GF, 3 GA

Bowdoin (0-1) 0 GF, 2 GA

Wesleyan (0-1) 1 GF, 2 GA

Happy NESCAC Weekend,

SNoon
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 09, 2013, 04:06:48 pm
Very ugly Amherst-Bowdoin game.  Ball almost never on the ground, as LaPaz predicted, but Aoyama the younger gets it done in 2d OT, 2-1 Lord Jeffs.  Should be another war tomorrow against Williams.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 09, 2013, 04:57:08 pm
Mr. Noon nailed the Williams-Wesleyan score and was only off by one goal in Amherst-Bowdoin.  Not too shabby. 

Williams and Amherst are now, I imagine, both locks for the tourney.  Bowdoin and Wesleyan seem to be on the outside looking in. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 10, 2013, 02:02:16 pm
Amherst wins the conference title on a good contest over Williams 1-0 at Hitchcock field in Amherst.
The winning score came in the 2nd period around the 40th minute.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on November 10, 2013, 02:54:44 pm
Only saw about half the match but I did see the winning goal.  My reaction to Morrell's decision making on the sequence of plays that lead to the goal...

 ???   ???  :o   >:( ??? :-[  ??? :'( 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on November 10, 2013, 04:03:42 pm
Congrats to the Lord Jeffs on another "CAC" Conference title!!!!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on November 11, 2013, 08:11:35 am
Only saw about half the match but I did see the winning goal.  My reaction to Morrell's decision making on the sequence of plays that lead to the goal...

 ???   ???  :o   >:( ??? :-[  ??? :'(

Meanwhile, Bull at the other end makes a quality save when he must to preserve the victory. Too few shots on goal for both teams. Bull is the real deal and should get some HUGE props from the league this year.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on November 11, 2013, 01:31:04 pm
http://www.d3soccer.com/ncaatournament/2013/men/2013-mens-participants

Tournament participants announced.  Williams the only squad to get an At-Large bid
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 11, 2013, 01:38:08 pm
Interesting bracket.  Amherst has a very good shot at the Final Four as the Jeffs will be hosting all the way and that quarter of the bracket is not the strongest.  Things are pretty favorable for Williams as well, hosting the first two rounds.  If both teams take care of business, there could be an intriguing second round mentor-apprentice battle in Billsville between Mike Russo and (Williams coach-in-waiting?) Erin Sullivan of WNEC.  Looking way ahead it would be fun to see a rematch of last year's Elite 8 Williams-Amherst showdown.  But both teams have a lot of work to do first. 

One of the brackets is beyond stacked:  Ohio Wesleyan, Messiah, Wheaton (IL), three traditional powerhouses there, very tough. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on November 11, 2013, 02:40:37 pm
Tough to see only two (2) teams from the NESCAC make the tournament cut...especially when other New England teams from weaker conferences make the cut, but such is the nature of "automatic bids".  Don't have a problem with "at large bids" given the records of NESCAC (other than Amherst/Williams), but somehow leaving out Bowdoin/Wesleyan/Middlebury/Conn/Tufts (I know they butchered each other up) and including Elms, Bridgewater St, Thomas (ME) seems wrong, but it's NESCAC's own fault for only playing 14 games.  If they played 18 games (like most colleges) and added another 4 non-league games, then likely add 4 more wins on all 5 of these NESCAC teams and you have some pretty good records with 12/13/14 wins and then you easily could have had 2 or 3 more at large bids this year.  Only day dreaming of what could have should have happened because the 5 NESCAC teams left out of the NCAA's would like do as well if not better than most of the other New England colleges selected (not that any of them,  other than Amherst really has a great chance to advance to final 4).  Good luck Lord Jeffs and Ephmen....hope you both have a strong and long run this year. Go NESCAC!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 11, 2013, 02:57:14 pm
^^^^Also creates some nice first round matchups for the NESCACs that do make it.  That's the other side of the coin.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 11, 2013, 04:09:41 pm
Seems that Amherst's bracket is the only one without a first round "bye".   Can anyone explain the rational here...and/ or the selection of 51 teams.
For posters that remarked about the conference selection of "only" two members and relate that to the 14 game schedule ....how do you explain the Women side selection with 5 teams selected...the most for a conference....and also playing a "short?"schedule.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on November 11, 2013, 05:29:18 pm
For posters that remarked about the conference selection of "only" two members and relate that to the 14 game schedule ....how do you explain the Women side selection with 5 teams selected...the most for a conference....and also playing a "short?"schedule.

Good question from Amherst---difference between the men and women for the 2013 season is this:  The bottom 5 teams for women in NESCAC this year each only had 1 conference win each (bad teams not much parity in the league top to bottom), thus you had 5 bad teams who basically got beat by all the top 6 NESCAC teams, thus women's side top 5 teams had win totals of 13/12/11/12/9...for the top 5 teams they basically had 5 easy in conference games and 4 easier non-conference games, thus 9 easy wins which makes for good winning % and multiple team entries into NCAA even with a "short schedule".   Contrast that to the men's side in NESCAC, where they only had two (bottom 2) relative "easy teams" this year and thus only 6 (2 conference/4 non) potential easy victories...thus teams  #3 through 8 on men's side only had wins of 10,9 or 8 because they all butchered each other up within the league with only Amherst & Williams getting to 11+ wins.  In a year of relative parity on the men's side (other than Amherst...and even they were tied by Hamilton #8 and Conn #7) you are hurt by the short schedule and lower winning %.  On the women's side there were 4 superior teams and one very good team, 1 average team and 5 pretty mediocre to bad teams, thus 5 made it.  Winning % is the key ingredient and the parity (#2 through #9 on Men's side all could beat each other) on the men's side basically hurt the conference.   An expanded schedule could have helped the men's side winning %(especially if against other good New England competition) and would have likely solidified the women's NESCAC choices (same 5 would have been chosen).  Pure conjecture, but on the men's side Bowdoin/Wesleyan/Tufts/Middlebury/Conn/Hamilton were all pretty good teams who were left on the outside looking in.  Of course the other side of the argument is if they were that good then 2 or 3 of these teams would have finished with 7 or 8 conference wins instead of 4, 5 or 6 and made it even with a "short schedule".  Future advice--play better and win because they won't be expanding the schedule.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 11, 2013, 06:41:47 pm
Another possibility.  The NESCAC just  wasn't as strong as past years.  Nothing has changed in terms of number of games and most common non-conference opponents and NESCAC has a history of getting 3-4 teams.  Often the complaint is the other way, that they too many.  The other factor was the large number of other teams in the region that had outstanding records.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 11, 2013, 08:08:50 pm

One of the brackets is beyond stacked:  Ohio Wesleyan, Messiah, Wheaton (IL), three traditional powerhouses there, very tough.
[/quote]

Rutgers-Camden pod is also stacked.  The only thing that benefits them is a bye.  IF win over Lycoming/Kings, having to play either #4 Stevens or #6 in a Sweet 16 Matchup... IF win, then a matchup from either MSU or one of the top two teams in the UAA (Rochester or CMU)....



 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: KICKIN95 on November 11, 2013, 08:16:22 pm
That is this years "Group of Death"
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jim Matson on November 11, 2013, 10:23:06 pm
Rutgers-Camden is tough. That pod will be a struggle, especially with Stevens…the best team to never quite get there.

I said over on another board that I thought OWU and Messiah are really the top teams in that pod. The other "traditional powerhouse" may see some challenges this year.

The NESCAC women are just that much stronger than the men this season. Maybe the committee grabbed one team too many, but I'll bet no one will look back in a week and second guess that particular decision.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 12, 2013, 09:58:11 am
Thanks to all for responses to my questions.  The board is set ...so let the race for the title begin! :)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: cacattack on November 12, 2013, 12:12:24 pm
Congrats to Amherst but does anyone else think its hard to comprehend that two Williams players suffered broken legs and one was cut down from behind, in the box, all without a whistle from the Ref?
The intent to injure was unmistakable and the Ref allowed a good soccer game to turn into a street brawl.
The NESCAC must review the tape of that game and act accordingly.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on November 12, 2013, 12:37:29 pm
Not hard to comprehend the injuries suffered by Williams vs Amherst....Amherst plays overly aggressive bordering on dirty and they are very big and very physical.  They push the envelope in every game and turn it into a street brawl ugly soccer.  If they only get called 1/3rd of the time for fouls then they've gained advantage on the other 2/3rd of the time fouls not called.  They also constantly move up 15 yards on every thrown in....again gaining an advantage....not saying its right or proper, but ultimately they win.  I hope the Williams players heal quickly and very sorry to hear about their injuries.  I did watch the game on video and it was a street brawl.  I'm sure if Williams has a problem with these specific plays and intent to injure they will be reviewed by NESCAC, but the problem will be how long the process may take and what if any punishment (if it is reviewed at all and if it is found to be warranted) would happen and when.  Regardless, despite the injuries, good luck to both teams in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: cacalum on November 12, 2013, 01:47:03 pm
First off, congrats to both Amherst and Williams for making it to the tournament and from my estimation having a good shot at getting to an Elite 8 matchup again by playing at home for the first two games. St. Lawrence is certainly a threat as is Rutgers-Newark, Gordon has a good record but not real sure how they'll deal with the increase in competition.

I'll leave the other NESCAC teams not getting bids as I think it's been pretty well-covered and fair on the boards. Williams getting such a "favorable" draw is a little surprising but I guess that means that if you play a tough schedule you get rewarded and that's how it should be.

I'm going to attempt to give the most even-keeled recap of the NESCAC championship weekend and hope that this does not turn into the mud-slinging competition that it turned into last year.

Semi-Finals:

Wesleyan v. Williams - Missed the first 20 mins but saw the rest of the game and was very very impressed by both teams and their commitment to play possession soccer. I would say Wesleyan had the most possession in the first half but Williams did a better job of converting their possession into dangerous chances around the 18. The first Williams goal was a fantastic piece of combination play between Rashid and Grady(I believe) and a nice finish. Wesleyan came out in the second half and moved their left-back Sousa, to the center of the midfield to presumably try and get him on the ball more with #10. I would say the second half was a lot like the first until Williams scored their second off a ridiculous combo between Murralles and Rashid (very unselfish of him btw on the second goal to pass instead of shoot).  Wesleyan responded at the end there with a nice goal and it was game on from there, missing a great chance with a header at the last second. #8 from Williams was fantastic and his centerback partner #4 is very very strong as well (slight edge to #8 in my opinion due to his ability to distribute better). #10 and #8 for Wesleyan as well as the goalkeeper (who made some great saves), were very strong as well.

Amherst v. Bowdoin - This one will be shorter than the previous summary because it was an absolute snore. Amherst wins 2-1 off a great goal by the younger Aoyama from about 20 minutes out.

Final - Amherst over Williams 1-0 in an absolute slugfest, with Williams losing the game on a bad mistake by Morrell. Feel terrible for him because he's a very good goalkeeper who turned off mentally for a few seconds and Amherst pounced.

Now I want to say a couple things before I voice my opinion on the injuries to Williams and the Amherst playing style. First is that while being an Amherst supporter, I have a ton of respect for the class of Mike Russo and the way he commits to possession soccer. It's a pleasure to watch.  He is a gentleman and I have friends who played for him and speak about him and the program with glowing terms. I was also at the game on Sunday, and happened to be standing right under the camera stand where the Williams left back was injured. I did not see what happened to the first Williams player on the free kick in the first half where I'm assuming he broke his leg. I remember it being a free kick, having a large mass of bodies be inside the box and then them having to help #5 (i think) off the field. I didn't see the play so have no clue or right to say anything about the nature of the injury. I hope he heals quickly as he is a very good player that probably goes unheralded for Williams' midfield. The second injury was right in front of me. That was a 50/50 ball that the Amherst right back went to ground for (studs not up) and the Williams Left back going in on the tackle very hard as well. It was obvious immediately that the Williams player was hurt and the Amherst player was at least shaken up. From my view there was no intent to injure and it easily could have been the other way around. That was two committed players going into a challenge 100% and what resulted happens in soccer sometimes.  Saying that Amherst had the intent to injure the Williams player is wrong in my opinion.

On playing style, I think Amherst kicks the ball way too much for having the talent that they have. They have players who can play possession but they choose not to for whatever reason. They have gotten results and are great on set pieces and defend very well so get a lot of wins but this will come back to bite them at some point.  Amherst plays extremely hard and definitely do push the envelope at times, but on Sunday that was definitely a two way street. There were some great, clean, physical battles between the center back of Williams #4 and #25 of Amherst where both players gave as good as they got. Same goes for Amherst's centerback #4 and Williams' #20 (Ritter, I think).  Caslin and Murralles had a battle in the center of the midfield. NESCAC finals, and rivalry games, are like this. Unfortunately two players from Williams got injured. No one wants to see that but it happens in sports. Also on the throw-ins, anyone who was at that game on Sunday saw that this was a point of emphasis for the referee who routinely moved players back to the proper spot on both teams.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: cacattack on November 12, 2013, 02:49:30 pm
First, I appreciate your candor and think that many of your comments are fair, with two exceptions.
First, Williams back #3, whose leg was broken on what you describe as a clean 50/50 confrontation has multiple open cleat wounds on his broken leg which would not be there if the Amherst player had come in cleats down. The game photos confirm this. Second, you didn't comment on the fact that the Williams' striker, #20, was cut down from behind in the box while attempting to shoot. No whistle, no foul, no card, no PK.
From where you were standing, you would have had a clear view of that play.
I'm sorry but while I agree that it was a hard fought match and that some of the aggressive play was fair, the large majority of fouls by Amherst, whether called or not, were dirty.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CacFan12 on November 12, 2013, 03:08:49 pm
Another great NESCAC season in the books. Congratulations to all coaches and players. I'm not posting to stir the pot on Amherst, but I have read for years about how Amherst has the talent to play better soccer and they still rely on set pieces and physical play to win. I won't argue with that sentiment but obviously they are doing something right having won 3 straight NESCAC championships. However, could it be that this lack of possession oriented soccer is keeping them from reaching National Championship level? Just something to think about.

I'm curious to hear All-NESCAC predictions. Admittedly, I have not gotten to as many games as years past so I am no expert. I would have to think the tall striker on Conn gets 1st team consideration, Bull from Amherst, Rashid from Williams. Could any of these three make a play for POY? With his 4th NESCAC title in 7 seasons, is Serpone a lock for his first COY? Martin from Amherst as ROY?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: cacalum on November 12, 2013, 03:19:10 pm
Cacattack. Appreciate you taking a look at it from both sides of the coin. I'm trying to find the pictures you describe that show the play, I've looked on the Amherst and Williams sites that both link to the same photo gallery on the Amherst website. I'm more than happy to admit I saw the play the wrong way, from my angle the Amherst player did not go in with his studs up, but it was an extremely fast play so I could easily have not seen it correctly. I know this comes off as extremely biased but that's what I saw. Happy to admit I'm wrong here on the studs up situation. If you have a photo of the play in your possession, happy to look at it. Irregardless, what I will say is that I believe that the Amherst player had 0 intent to injure his Williams counterpart. I'm going to take a leap of faith here and assume that you disagree, vehemently. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

I didn't comment on the Williams striker #20 being "cut down from behind in the box while attempting to shoot. No whistle, no foul, no card, no PK," because it seemed like a good no call for me just like the one Amherst was whining about not getting in the Bowdoin game the day before. That's how I saw it. I thought the ref made a terrible no-call by not calling the Amherst center back on the foul in the corner of the field in the second half closer to the away team benches when he and #20 were at it again.  That was a foul and should have been called.  I'm going to take a wild guess that folks on here don't want to hear my second-by-second analysis 48 hours after a game is finished, so I omitted those two plays from my previous post and chose to focus elsewhere.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on November 12, 2013, 03:47:46 pm
Good strong and physical teams will always make it to the dance.
Add good set pieces and thats almost a lock for sweet 16 and beyond each year.
At some point in the tourney after that though, it takes a bit of technique and good ball possesion to advance.

Its not a surprise that the teams who have won the championship in the modern era were all ball possesion teams.

The problem is teams in the elite  8 are also physical and strong.
Hard to out muscle a team when the Championship is in their sights as well.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 12, 2013, 04:37:17 pm
Seems like every year around this time, there is some sort of debate around the tactics / attitude / general level of class exhibited by the Amherst team, in particular its head coach.  On the one hand, when you haven't lost a game in several years and have generally dominated the league, you are always going to be a bigger target for vitriol.  On the other hand, I don't recall the Middlebury or Williams teams ever engendering that level of hostility among their peers, even when dominating NESCAC in similar fashion, going to multiple final fours and winning national titles.  Food for thought ...
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: cacattack on November 12, 2013, 04:59:26 pm
Cacalum. I have no argument with you as I believe you are trying to be fair about what you saw. I saw cleats up, you didn't. I saw a foul in the box, you didn't. Perhaps we can agree that looking at the totality of rough play in the game rather than at a few particular plays, Amherst pushed the envelope way too far and the Ref allowed the game to get out of his control. Unfortunately, there were two season ending injuries, both on the Williams side.  Whether tighter control by the Ref over the overt physical play would have changed the outcome is impossible to say with any degree of certainty. However, the first game at Williams was not the street fight that the Final turned into, for whatever that's worth and the score was the same. After all, Amherst is undefeated and we certainly credit them for that.
However, the Williams players can be proud that a) they didn't retaliate for every elbow or kick from behind and b) they continued to play Mike Russo possession soccer throughout. Williams needs to re-load and focus on their NCAA opponents one at a time. And if a Williams/Amherst re-match results in a few weeks, I'm sure our boys will be ready.
Good luck to your team and I sincerely hope we get another shot at them.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: cacattack on November 12, 2013, 05:42:55 pm
CacFan 12
A response to your thoughts about All-NESCAC. Field players for Williams, who should be considered for a 1st or 2nd Team look are (in order from back to front)
Pierce, Burbank-Krump, Muralles, Kastner and Rashid.
Best I've seen of our opponents are Fikke and Wirz (Amherst), McGann (Trinity), Conrad (Middlebury), Bratt (Wesleyan), Brewster and Dias Costa  (Bowdoin), Kayne and Schaible (Tufts), and Kraynak (Hamilton). ROY should probably be Glaser (Middlebury).
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on November 12, 2013, 06:37:44 pm
Martin or Glaser look likely ROY with similar stats, and the glory often goes to goalscorers. Based on ability, Aoyama Jr. should be in that conversation, but at right back he doesn't have stats.
I'd throw in Norton, Caslin, Pascual-Leone. Aoyama Sr. has the silkiest skills in the league (see him skin the cat Sunday against Ephs, who had no choice but to hack him down just outside the box?) but missed many games...
Bull has to be a lock for gk starting XI.
Pierce at Williams stands out on their back line. Lima's got game, too.
Hawkey at Conn.
Didn't see everyone this year, so no disrespect to others.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on November 12, 2013, 09:58:54 pm
ROY is Glaser from Midd stats speak for themselves.  Bull is best goalie and Fikke had very good but POY is Hawkey from Conn .  WHere would Conn be without him? Plus he was usually being singled out each game for multiple coverage.  He had the stats and did more with a much weaker supporting cast than the rest. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 12SNoon on November 12, 2013, 10:59:41 pm
Dear members of D3Boards.com who post in the NESCAC section,

This post is not likely directed at you. The vast majority of the posters here have great opinions and embrace debate.

I have played in 74 collegiate soccer games for Amherst College over the past 4 years. I've had double jaw surgery from being kicked in the face from playing in this league:

[Warning: Do not click this link and view this picture if you are in denial regarding how physical all NESCAC soccer games are, or if you get nauseous from the sight of gruesome sports injuries]

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=f57hjq&s=5

I have been a NESCAC basketball player for a team that would end up winning a National Championship. Going up against 6'6'' players on the hardwood might seem like a physical challenge, but I can assure you it pales in comparison to playing a NESCAC soccer game. Every single game is a streetfight, cacattack. My final game of my career, against Williams, Matt Ratajak and Dan Lima kicked, pushed, and shoved me every single time the referee wasn't looking. Do you know what? I respect the hell out of those guys - they battled. They put blood, sweat, and tears into their college career, of course they were going to do everything in their power to keep Amherst College from scoring.

I was standing 2 feet from the sideline, which was 5 feet from the spot Justin Aoyama slide tackled Andre Burbank-Crump. I, along with the referee, had a perfect angle of what turned out to be an incredibly unfortunate, but clean play. Watch the video, notice how Aoyoma slides with his leg and meets the ball. I, along with the rest of the audience, held our collective breath as both players fell backwards immediately onto the ground. You mentioned, cacattack, that Burbank-Crump had cleat marks on his leg. May I ask - is it possible that after Aoyama tackled the ball, his momentum (and cleat) hit his leg? Unfortunate, yes. But that can happen on a clean tackle.

I noticed one poster wrote something to the tune of: Amherst plays overly aggressive and is big and physical. Like this is a bad thing? Did you watch the Williams Final 4 team of 2009 (a back line that was over 26 feet tall, featuring Connor Smith, Joe Vela, AND Matt Ratajak)? Are you forgetting when you all praised Bowdoin for making the Final 4 in 2010 for being set piece MONSTERS? Look at the back line of Middlebury and Bowdoin this year, selected by candidates for coach of the year in this league (**hint: their back lines, like the rest of this league, are overly aggressive, big, and physical.)

If you want to call Amherst College a dirty soccer team, I am not going to stop you. I will not even stoop to your level and call Williams a dirty team. But I will point out that Williams has 2 red cards on the season. Amherst has none. #foodforthought

Amherst College is not reinventing the wheel when it comes to winning college soccer games. Have you been watching the MLS playoffs -- the best league in American soccer? Watch. It is direct. It is aggressive. It is physical. Do you know what happens at an MLS game? I'll give you a hint -- it rhymes with feet stright.

Which gets me to my last point -- posters, who are you? Did you play in this league? Are you a parent? Are you a coach? Or are you just "a fan who's been following along for many years before finally deciding to post." Let's point out the elephant in the room - the sheer odds of having this many "fan's who have just been following the NESCAC for so many years before finally deciding to post" is shockingly small. Why not just tell us who you really are? A little transparency on these boards would do us all some good.


Thank you for your time,

S. Noon
Amherst College '13


PS - I am saving my best stuff for when the NESCAC awards are announced  ;)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 13, 2013, 08:41:57 am
Fair enough, Mr. Noon.  You have, more than anyone here, earned the right to opine, and your insights as a recent graduate are definitely appreciated! 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on November 13, 2013, 11:13:43 am
With all due respect to Mr. Noon, my son's Under 6 soccer team just posted a 10-0 record with a 70-4 goal differential so I feel like I'm adequately qualified to post on the boards. 

In all seriousness, whether hard play is coached or not, it all comes down to the officiating in any sport.  Players will always look for any leverage they can to compete and it's up to the officials to determine where the line should be drawn between what's a foul or not a foul.  I think more than anything else, consistency is what people are looking for.  Once the official establishes what will be allowed in that match then it's on the players and coaches to adjust to that standard.  Any team that chooses to play a docile game and totally avoid fouls is putting themselves at a competitive disadvantage just the same as any team that relies solely on rough play without any regard to skill work.  Both will eventually lose to those that are able to play physical but still stay focused on capitalizing on opportunities which typically come out of the skill side. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on November 13, 2013, 01:00:54 pm
I'm sure people who post here are former All Americans, HS and College National Champs, and some maybe, played entire college career ranked in the top 3 nationally.
Most of us are has beens or doting and proud parents, but I don't think athletic recognition is required to provide solid soccer analysis.

A team that does not play technique oriented football will never win a national championship.
Perhaps in the 70s or 80s, but not today.

Williams has won the crown and came pretty darn close  to doing it a couple more times.
At the end of the day, the game when played the right way is really "The beautiful game"
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on November 13, 2013, 01:45:30 pm
Great post, Noon.
Didn't see as many games as usual this year but I saw only one team really play any meaningfully beautiful moments against Amherst. It wasn't Williams; it was Colby. Colby didn't seem very interested in holding jerseys, pushing in the back from behind or coming in late the way many other teams in the league do. Sorry, folks, but as successful as they've been in recent years in other areas (winning titles, for one), Amherst is not alone at the top when it comes to the physical play so many of you seem to disdain. The league is brutal across the board.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on November 13, 2013, 02:57:58 pm
I viewed the Nov 16 NCAA match line-up on D3soccer.  Did not show that the games from Amherst being streamed!  I hope this is just a oversight as the Lord Jeffs have always streamed their tournament games.
 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 13, 2013, 03:02:25 pm
Question for those in the know about the Ephs: how do you expect the Ephs will be affected by the two serious injuries to defenders?  Who will be expected to step up to help compensate? 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 13, 2013, 03:20:15 pm
Rare poster on this board.  My knowledge of soccer is not as good as Madz...as I, an inner city boy, learned the game at Amherst in my FY in the dark ages.....when Amherst soccer played Harvard and top Div. 1 schools like UConn....before there was a "CAC" and such things as Div3 divisions.
I started following soccer again more when S. Noon started playing BB at Amherst...yes he was a guard with talent, but for injuries, he would have been on the bench..playing behind a POY in Div3 :)  Sorry, Spencer....you were good but not that good.
Anyway, I watched the title game on the web last Sunday.  The neutral announcers were good and neutral.  They did not second guess the refs/umps.  They were concerned for both players on the play that seemed to be a point of contention of certain posters.  They could not tell if there were head injuries, etc.....and left it alone....other than concerns over the players.
Where am I going with this post......it is surprising that there is an undertone to many of the recent posters, which I gather are not Amherst's fans.  One is that Amherst plays an ugly style of play vs a more "controlled/possession style". 
The latter style, I gather is the style of choice, that wins titles, that looks good and of course the way Williams play the  game. The rough physical style with long kicks, set pieces, and using big players that keep the ball from touching the ground is not true soccer, and in the long run played by teams that are losers.   Am I getting the "undertone" correct?
In any case, back to the Sunday game.  It seems to my observation that Williams was also playing a physical game and kicking the ball long, etc.  I figured that Williams' style of play to control the ball on the ground was not working...actually, it seems that Williams was having a hard time for most of the game keeping hold of the ball.  Oh well, I guess, I do not have enough soccer knowledge to really post here.....I can only state what I observed during the  game.  I do know enough to know when players take balls away from others, to know what a slide tackle is and when players collide in the air for a header, when there is a no foul called, the play goes on and when there is foul called by the refs, the other team gets the ball.  How many yellow cards were given?
That is my two cents here and more.  Have a good day all.  Williams and Amherst, both have more games to play.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on November 13, 2013, 03:31:22 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Y6o7_cDfM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Y6o7_cDfM)

Highlights from the Amherst game everyone was referring to previously.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 13, 2013, 03:38:01 pm
ECSU....for what the NCAA charges for the games...even when there is senior citizen discounts, why tell people that there is a webcast.  It is all about the money! :)  Seriously, I anticipate that Amherst will arrange to stream the contest since they are the host site.  Can not guarantee who the announcers will be.  For the "CAC" playoffs, the conference arranged to have NCN provide the announcers and the streaming responsibilty I gather.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on November 13, 2013, 03:46:38 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Y6o7_cDfM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Y6o7_cDfM)

Highlights from the Amherst game everyone was referring to previously.

Ha!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on November 13, 2013, 03:48:43 pm
ECSU....for what the NCAA charges for the games...even when there is senior citizen discounts, why tell people that there is an webcast.  It is all about the money! :)  Seriously, I anticipate that Amherst will arrange to stream the contest since they are the host site.  Can not guarantee who the announcers will be.  For the "CAC" playoffs, the conference arranged to have NCN provide the announcers and the streaming responsibilty I gather.

Thanks or the reply :)  Looking forward to both matches!!  Announcers last year were students but were quite good.  I just hope that the person operating the camera is attentive to the match, as I posted in the past, an inattentive camera person can be very annoying.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 14, 2013, 03:25:55 pm
All-NESCAC team posted:

http://www.nescac.com/sports/msoc/2013-14/honors/allconference

No major surprises.  Serpone finally wins COY.  The obvious choices won POY/ROY.  Also the expected goalies were selected.  A bit of a surprise that no Williams defensive players were selected, but the three Ephs picked were all worthy selections.  Amherst seems to have pushed its senior players for awards, shutting out some talented underclassmen who will have to wait their turn. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 14, 2013, 03:35:45 pm

I would think Serpone wins the NCAA COY as well.   
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Ryan Harmanis on November 14, 2013, 04:22:08 pm
I would think Serpone wins the NCAA COY as well.

If past history is any indication Amherst will have to make a deep tournament run for that accolade.  In the past decade, only one coach has received the award without making it to the Final Four:

2012: McCarty (Messiah) - won title;
2011: Martin (OWU) - won title & set all-time wins record;
2010: Yeager (Lynchburg) - cinderella runner-up, 5 mins. and a horrible call away from the title;
2009: McCarty (Messiah) - won title;
2008: Brandt (Messiah) - won title;
2007: Seward (Middlebury) - won title;
2006: Ludwig (York) - elite 8, 21-0-3 and missed out on Final Four due to PKs;
2005: Zelentz (Gustavus Adolphus) - runner-up;
2004: Brandt (Messiah) - won title;
2003: Armuth (Drew) - runner-up
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 14, 2013, 05:00:01 pm
Here's 1 vote for the Oberlin coach.  First time in the history of the school to make NCAA tourney.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on November 15, 2013, 10:30:16 am
Congratulations to those who were selected for All NESCAC 1st & 2nd teams.  Congratulations to Conn's Hawkey POY (well deserved and earned), Midd's Glaser ROY and Amherst's Serpone COY.  No surprises in the picks for POY/ROY/COY all deserving.  For those who asked what/how will Williams replace two injured defenders...the answer is not easily, however last year during the Eph's NCAA run they had moved Westling to outside back and that is a strong possibility again for the injured Burbank-Crump. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 15, 2013, 01:42:51 pm

Here's 1 vote for Rutgers-Camden coach... 

C:  Hey, how does playing for a state school in NJ sound? 

P:  Still weighing some options...

C:  How about Camden?  It's a really safe, up and coming city, with a great panoramic view of Philadelphia... and the field is pretty cool too.
     We don't have unlimited resources or rank among the best in the nation for liberal arts schools like the NESCAC, UAA, or Centennial but you          could play in one of the most physically demanding conferences, the almighty NJAC... and get a decent education.

P:  Sounds promising.  Count me in!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 15, 2013, 01:56:00 pm
Realistic candidates would be;  Potteiger from Gordon, McCarty, Serpone, Martin, Rothert, Oswald, Wags from F&M, Rensing from Stevens.   I think Waggoner from Randolph would have been a great candidate if they would have won the ODAC and made a run in the tournament with such a young program...     

What are some thoughts on POY... who from the NESCAC?

Vegter from Calvin? Jenkins from CSS? Bloecher from OWU? Payne from Messiah?

From NJAC it would only potentially be Mike Ryan from Rutgers-Camden or Raphael Araujo from Rutgers-Newark (one of the teams would need a deep run to make a case, though)



Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 16, 2013, 03:39:40 pm
Williams and WNEC advance to set up a fun mentor-mentee showdown in the second round tomorrow, as (Williams heir apparent?) Erin Sullivan battles Mike Russo. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on November 17, 2013, 03:41:55 pm
Willimas dominates WNEC 4to 1. Shots 32to 3.  Westling 3 goals this weekend for Ephman.  Amherst dominates Gordon 5 to 0.  NESCAC showing its quality.  Still believe Wesleyan/Bowdoin/Middlebury/Conn/tufts were better teams than many who received NCAA bids.....shame they had to miss the party this year but the league is the best in New England by far.  Go Ephman and Lord Jeffs..
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 17, 2013, 04:11:18 pm
Agreed!  The last goal was made on pure effort by the backup Amherst goalie who was put in along with an entire new team in the last few minutes..it seems.  In any case, the backup goalie got time on the offensive side....surprising the announcers a little who thought Bull would be taken out in the last 5 minutes of the game. played on a damp cold field.  Gordon was still attacking until the end....so I guess Bull was being left in to complete a shutout.  Good win for Amherst....no injuries reported.  Saw only the 2nd half and heard it was a little rough in the first half.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 17, 2013, 05:51:09 pm
SLU's 8-0 dismantling of a previously pretty good Wheaton team sets up a final four caliber Sweet 16 match up with Amherst.  It's a shame that other quality Liberty League and NESCAC teams get squeezed out by AQs from such obviously inferior leagues. . .
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CacCaptain on November 19, 2013, 12:04:37 pm
Seconding AllNescac and Colby Union. Sorry for the rant...

A year like this is simply infuriating for the Nescac teams left out of the dance. I can only help but think there'd be 4-5 CAC teams still left if they had been given bids.

All you need to do is look at Williams' schedule. 13 Nescac games and ONLY ONE decided by more than a goal. Of course Amherst had a few 2 and 3 goal Nescac wins but results like the Hamilton and Conn ties further go to show the Nescac's strength.

Amherst + Williams outscoring teams 16-1 through 4 games. Simply a disgrace to see Gordon college and other teams in there over Wesleyan/Conn/Tufts/Bowdoin.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 19, 2013, 03:21:36 pm

Isn't there usually a list of the Pool C teams... which team was the last one in? 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 19, 2013, 03:36:56 pm
CacCapt, seems a little harsh, especially given that NESCAC usually gets 4 and at least 3.  What does the regional cmte do with a Gordon that is like 18-1 or 18-2?  They also had a solid first round win.  WNEC had Williams in trouble so the final score is deceiving.  The NESCAC women got 5.  It's all in the regional rankings and there were teams that took losses during the year like Dickinson, F&M, Brandeis, etc which managed to keep high regional rankings. 

Who was the strongest team that didn't get in?  I wouldn't say a NESCAC team.  DePauw and North Park are the first ones that come to mind for me.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 19, 2013, 03:45:38 pm

Calvin got shafted.   They lost to OWU, Kenyon, Loras first 3 games of season, Hope, and Kalamazoo.   (Rutgers-Newark got in with L to RU-C (2x), Montclair, SIT, Plattsburgh)

DePauw with only losses to OWU and Oberlin...

Emory had a case over MIT and Miseri.




Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on November 19, 2013, 03:46:52 pm
I also think that Skidmore is a strong squad, who should be dancing next season.

WNEC is a solid program. I concur the Williams score seems a bit sdecieving, although the best team probably did win.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 19, 2013, 05:21:57 pm
Calvin is a good team with a great player, but they let in a ton of goals.  That was their undoing.

If you're going to talk about the other NESCACs then you need to compare not just to the regional teams with great records that may have  suspect SOSs.  You have to ask if any of them should have gotten in over other similar strong teams that also didn't get in, and as suggested there are quite a few -- DePauw, North Park, Wash U, Emory, St. Olaf, Calvin, Denison, Oglethorpe, Carthage, Haverford, Swat, etc.  Haverford and Swat actually finished ahead of F&M and Dickinson in their conference.  And that's not even including ranked teams that didn't get in like Randolph and Texas-Dallas.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 19, 2013, 05:25:24 pm
Oh, sorry, and yeah I forgot Union, Skidmore, Vassar and RPI who probably all compare pretty favorably with mid-table NESCAC.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on November 19, 2013, 09:13:30 pm
Did any of those touting WNEC actually see the game vs Williams?  I did.  Williams absolutely DOMINATED the game it wasn't as close as the 4 to 1 score.....they outshot them 33 to 3....repeat 33 to 3....no contest.  The NESCAC league and top 7 teams this year are superior to any other new England teams except Brandeis (very good team)....should all 7 teams be in the dance probably not just because of sheer numbers but definitely 4 or 5 should be in like the women's side.  NESCAC teams typically win 90% of there non league regular season games.  Year in year out top to bottom nescac league is in the top 3 D3 leagues EVERY YEAR. If they played 4 more non league games the dominence would be evev greater. Go Eph and Go Lord Jeff.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 19, 2013, 09:51:34 pm
Disagree.  Historically NESCAC gets plenty of love (as it should).  Are there too many AQs?  Sure.  Were there some teams in New England region probably ranked too high (in hindsight)?  Perhaps.  But you're looking at this too locally.

Let's look at some records of the teams you are talking about vs other notables who didn't get in and then explain how NESCAC 3-7 trumps more than half of the other omissions listed below.

Middlebury -- 9-5-1
Wesleyan -- 9-6-1 (with losses to regional teams who got in)
Tufts -- 8-5-2
Bowdoin -- 8-4-4
CC -- 8-5-2

DePauw -- 14-2-3
Calvin -- 14-5-1
Union -- 12-3-2
Haverford -- 11-5-2
Swat -- 12-5-4
Chris Newport -- 13-5-2
North Park -- 11-5-3
Emory -- 11-5-2
Wash U -- 10-4-3
RPI -- 11-5-2
Skidmore -- 12-6-2
Denison -- 12-4-3
John Carroll -- 15-4-1

You don't just have to beat out teams in your region.  You have to beat out teams in other regions as well.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on November 19, 2013, 11:54:56 pm
Add 4 more wins to each of these nescac teams if they played 18 games and they would have the requisite wins and winning %...with only 14 game schedule these superior teams are at a severe disadvantage vs rest of field in getting a bid.....yet even with that disadvantage I would take them vs any other #3-7 from any other league.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 20, 2013, 10:38:31 am
NESCAC is very hard to gauge because of the limited schedule and strictly in-region games.  The NE region is "fairly" weak, aside from the NESCAC... so any out of conference games should be wins.

I would love to see the NJAC and NESCAC have something similar to the ACC-B10 Challenge...   Mix up the match-ups, but below is the seeding.  I would put the NJAC about even with the NESCAC:

RU-C vs Amherst
Montclair St. vs Williams  (both played WNEC)... MSU won 2-0   Williams 4-1
RU-N vs Middlebury   
TCNJ vs Wesleyan
Stockton vs Tufts
WPU vs Bowdoin


8th place Ramapo lost in 2 OT at ECSU... (a team that tied Wesleyan on the Road this year)

Last place Kean beat Kenyon this year, lost to Rochester, lost to OWU (badly).
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 20, 2013, 11:42:49 am
It's not just about the relative strength of leagues.  No one (or hardly anyone) would contest that NESCAC is one of the top 2-3 leagues, if not the top league.  The issue in terms of actual bids comes down to specific teams.  Please tell me why Wesleyan at 9-6-1 should get in ahead of a Union at 12-3-2, DePauw at 14-2-3 or Calvin at 14-5-1.  Even if you add 3-4 wins to all of the NESCAC teams (which if they are going to play some tough non-league extra games you can't just assume), the number of "blemishes" are still high relative to other strong teams out of region.  I also agree with lastguy as I have said before.  Let's get the NESCAC alternating between 4-5 games per year against NJAC, Centennial and Liberty league teams.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: TerrasIrradient on November 20, 2013, 02:12:02 pm
It's tough to compare the leagues/teams with a small sample size of matches, but I think looking at Hamilton's recent transition to the NESCAC is a fair gauge and, based on that, I would disagree pretty strongly that the aforementioned LL teams compare favorably with mid-table NESCAC teams. SLU is a great side and has been for a very long time. Beyond that, I don't really see many others that would finish in even the top half of the CAC.

Really looking forward to some great matches this weekend. The Jeffs and SLU should provide some fireworks in a really tough contest. I'll be expecting the winner of this one to move past Williams on Sunday after the EPHs secure a 2-1 victory on Saturday.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Sirius90 on November 20, 2013, 02:39:51 pm
One slight advantage that the NESCAC teams enjoy is the short schedule. My feeling is that they come into the post season fresher and with fewer injuries. I know of at least one of the bubble teams that didn't make it faltered late in part because of a decimated squad.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on November 20, 2013, 11:35:39 pm
The nescac league although only a14 game schedule is the "black and blue" league.  The games are vicious and beyond normal physical soccer. All the nescac teams are beat up injury wise just from their league games which better resemble Rugby for there physicality. Not really an advantage for a shorter schedule.  Go ephs and lord jeffs!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 21, 2013, 09:25:02 am
Geez, All NESCAC.  Maybe NESCAC should just go D1.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on November 21, 2013, 09:28:37 am
TerrasIrradient, one spot left.  Who are you giving it to this year?  DePauw at 14-2-3, Union at 12-3-2, Calvin at 14-5-1 OR Wesleyan at 9-6-1 or Midd at 9-5-1?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Sirius90 on November 21, 2013, 04:02:20 pm
The nescac league although only a14 game schedule is the "black and blue" league.  The games are vicious and beyond normal physical soccer. All the nescac teams are beat up injury wise just from their league games which better resemble Rugby for there physicality. Not really an advantage for a shorter schedule.  Go ephs and lord jeffs!

Fair enough. That's why it's generally terrible to watch.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on November 22, 2013, 09:07:27 pm
Geez, All NESCAC.  Maybe NESCAC should just go D1.
  who suggested nescac was as good or should be D1?  I didn't.  I did say and truly believe that the league plays overboard physically and unfortunately results in play that is "not the beautiful game" yet it does get results in the win column despite it being tough to watch.  I can only compare it to college soccer in new England ive seen but by far the most physical league.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CCHoopster on November 23, 2013, 08:44:12 am
NESCAC has been nothing special in soccer on the national stage. 2 Titles since '95. Basketball league, soccer a distant 2nd.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 23, 2013, 08:54:29 am
The weather may play an impact today, imo, at the games in Amherst.  Winds and wind gusts are expected. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on November 23, 2013, 09:20:01 am
NESCAC has been nothing special in soccer on the national stage. 2 Titles since '95. Basketball league, soccer a distant 2nd. 
  I don't believe many if any on this board believe the top team from nescac is best team in the D3 nation thus unlikely to stack up national championships however I believe most here believe top to bottom they are usually the top league in the country for D3 in most years.  Good luck to both Williams and Amherst today.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 23, 2013, 09:36:02 am
I'd say that NESCAC is about as good in men's soccer as it is in hoops, relative to the rest of the country.  The difference is that there is no single totally dominant team like Messiah, which is on a whole different level than everyone else, in D3hoops.  NESCAC has two champions (it only has three in basketball), I don't think any other league has had two teams win titles during the same time period.  Plus NESCAC has a slew of other Final Four appearances, Williams alone has made it to five Final Fours, and Midd and Amherst have also made it.  And there is a pretty good chance that NESCAC will add another Final Four appearance this year.  NESCAC is not be quite as strong at the top as NESCAC men's hoops, but the talent is more evenly dispersed throughout the league. 

All that being said, I don't see how NESCAC deserved more than two bids this season. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: socdude4 on November 23, 2013, 01:50:13 pm
I've watched the first 15 minutes of the Amherst game and am quite surprised by a couple of things. Mind you I don't watch much Amherst but I'm shocked by the facility. How does Amherst not have a better venue then just a field. No lights, no real seating area, chain link fence surrounding the back and no barriers separating the fans...How does the NCAA allow them to host?!?!?

Furthermore, how Amherst's bench (especially the Irish/Scottish assistant) is allowed to behave the way they do is outrageous. Please do everyone a favor- sit down, shut up and let the kids play!!!!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Ryan Harmanis on November 23, 2013, 02:13:03 pm
Pretty open game thus far.  Stop-and-go, mostly a result of the fact that Amherst attempts to bomb a long throw-in into the box anywhere on the positive side of midfield.  Both goalies look huge and have been strong on set pieces.

Very contrasting styles.  Amherst has been on top more but has played almost shockingly direct.  I'd put possession 60-40 for Amherst but SLU has probably connected twice as many passes.  That's embodied by the calls from the bench - every time Amherst gains possession the call is to send it, when SLU has it the call is to possess.  Amherst has been much more effective imposing their style on the game and have had the two best chances.

While I agree that Amherst's bench is extremely annoying, it's probably more of a function of camera location - rarely do fans get to hear exactly what gets said on the bench to this level.  I haven't heard much out of the ordinary except the coaching staff having a heart attack about things happening when each goalie punts it.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: socdude4 on November 23, 2013, 02:17:33 pm
Shockingly direct is right...
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: socdude4 on November 23, 2013, 03:14:05 pm
Shouting at the STL bench by the Amherst assistant...."that's a man's play. You have to play like a man." I'm not sure what exactly that means but very classy Amherst, very classy. Your comments about "letting the kids play" while shouting and trying to orchestrate the entire game from the sidelines is laughable.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Ryan Harmanis on November 23, 2013, 03:17:16 pm
Bathroom break = punished by missing Amherst's goal.  Anybody see it?  Seems like since that happened SLU has had the better of the play.  Just had a breakaway around the Amherst goalie but saved by a defender as it headed in.  Should make for a tense last 10-15 minutes (no clock on feed).
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 23, 2013, 03:28:22 pm

That's what you get for sitting in.... BOMB!

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Ryan Harmanis on November 23, 2013, 03:30:32 pm

That's what you get for sitting in.... BOMB!

Wow.  Seriously, wow.  Spot on lastguy, Amherst gets punished for letting SLU pin them back for the last 35 minutes of the game with an absolute rocket.  Can't have been more than a minute left on the clock.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Ryan Harmanis on November 23, 2013, 03:43:22 pm
Amherst dodges a bullet as SLU pings one off the post and hits the rebound directly at the goalkeeper as he scrambles backward on his line.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Ryan Harmanis on November 23, 2013, 03:55:14 pm
And against the run of play Amherst picks up a loose ball in the box and roofs it for the game winner.

Sets up an Elite 8 rematch with Williams.  Sixth time in two seasons - Amherst has gone 3-0-2 but Williams won the penalty shootout in 2012.  Should be interesting.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 23, 2013, 04:57:46 pm
nice wrap of the game guys.  Amherst had the better of the first half in terms of SOG and corners....fouls were even, I believe.  I come back in the second half and Amherst is ahead 1-0.  Go back to the BB game, I am watching and return with 5 min. in the game...with less than a minute to goal, SLU scores.  Goes into the 2nd OT and Singer for Amherst scores the winner!  His 2nd of the game...according to background chatter....no announcers.  Amherst's coach bends over ass Amherst players rush the field.
Guess that is how it goes between two fine highly ranked teams.  Back and forth until lighting like goals.  In between one can go watch a BB game :)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on November 23, 2013, 09:13:30 pm
Can the Lord Jeffs beat the Ephmen 3 times in the same year?  Pretty tough chore 3x.  Williams has been playing well but can they play possession vs Amhersts direct long ball thuggery?  Rooting for Ephmen.  Williams will be sky high after the last game between these two teams and the severe injuries suffered....but will it be enough?  Will Amherst again impose their direct style and get it done? This one will be a nail biter.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 24, 2013, 03:51:39 pm
Congrats to the Ephs for the 1-0 victory over Amherst!  Second straight year advancing in upset fashion on the Jeffs' home field, and this time, ending the huge Amherst result streak in the process.  A very nice bit of payback for football,  and yet another Final Four for Coach Russo (third in five years).  Tried to watch some of the game but a lot of technical difficulties, unfortunately.  Curious to hear thoughts from those who did.  Ephs will likely be facing Messiah in the semis, alas, so it only gets tougher.  But Williams has been playing tremendous soccer throughout the NCAA tourney and anything is possible! 

Quite a day for NESCAC fall sports: Bowdoin wins the championship in women's field hockey, and Midd women's soccer upsets Johns Hopkins to also advance to to the Final Four. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on November 24, 2013, 03:58:31 pm

Had technical difficulties the whole game with buffering, and then 2nd half shut off on me...

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on November 24, 2013, 04:04:35 pm
Would be curious to know who scored and when, and how goal was scored.  Disappointing that webcast ended abruptly with score still 0-0, but conditions looked horrendous.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 24, 2013, 04:17:42 pm
Chris "Beckham" Conder scored his second free kick goal of the weekend.  Wow.  His services have been fantastic all post season. Poetic justice as he replaced one of the guys injured in the last Amherst game.  Ephs outshot Amherst by a fair margin so sounds like a fair result.  Go Ephs!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: jumpshot on November 24, 2013, 04:18:28 pm
amh63 ---

To whom can I send a contribution at amherst to assure all of us can continue watching webcasts from amherst that work of Williams men soccer preventing amherst from going to the Final Four?

Congratulations to the Eph players and to Coach Mike Russo and his staff of Tom Demeo and Jeff Huffman--- one of the classiest coaching staffs and effective educators anywhere.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 24, 2013, 05:32:24 pm
Chris Conder pre-tourney: zero goals, two assists.  Chris Conder in tourney: two goals, four assists, almost all from set pieces or otherwise via a deep service.  I think it's fair to say he is in the zone ...
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: cacalum on November 24, 2013, 05:45:27 pm
Congrats to Williams on advancing to another final 4. Terrible conditions for both squads made this a tough game to watch. Best of luck to the Ephs, I hope they go and win the title.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on November 24, 2013, 06:17:11 pm
Jump shot...send any monetary contributions to the trustees of Amherst College..c/o..Friends of Amherst Athletics.  They take even credit cards...no Diners Club cards at this time.  I thank you.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on November 24, 2013, 06:28:13 pm
Disappointed to have not watched this but sounds like folks didn't get to see the end anyway. I tuned in right at 1:30 and the feed didn't work. When I finally got I up and running the graphic said it was 2-0 Amherst already so I turned it off.  Regardless, I'm very happy with the result.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on November 24, 2013, 07:48:22 pm
Congratulations to the Ephmen!  Good luck in Final Four.  Go NESCAC! :)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on November 25, 2013, 10:51:32 am
As expected, Williams will play Messiah.  Ooof.  Has anyone seen them this year?  Looks like on paper that they are as deep and talented as usual, with multiple all-Americans spread throughout the line-up and dominant strikers and midfielders.  Williams will be a huge underdog but the Ephs have really raised their level of play in the tourney and they can go in with a nothing-to-lose attitude against the Goliath of D3.  The Mountenot-Muralles-Rashid combo (all of whom will fortunately be back next year) has become quite dangerous in the attack for the Ephs, all three are very creative players with the ball and they seem to have developed some good chemistry, with Kastner another guy who can finish.  And obviously, Conder has been an impressive weapon on set plays, so hopefully the Ephs can draw some fouls and/or corners to see if he can keep up his incredible streak.  The Ephs are almost surely not going to control the flow of play for the majority of the game, so they will need to get one or two quick strikes generated on counters or by great individual playmaking from the aforementioned trio. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on November 25, 2013, 02:02:30 pm
Congrats to Williams.
For the most part, the game was a tale of two halves due to the crazy wind (perhaps to blame for feed dying?).
Amherst did not score while the wind was at their backs, despite the ball's flirting with the goalline a few times. Williams did score with the wind at their back: A quality direct kick at the top of the box, slightly to the right, beat the wall and outstanding keeper Bull (Bull saved all 3 times the Ephs were on frame in the first half--including a 1v1). With the goal and 13 mins remaining, Ephs managed the clock well. Amherst played with some lively balls in the box late in the second half but couldn't get a true or clear shot.
Thank goodness the game ended at the end of regulation because it was colder than cold.
Good luck to Williams going forward.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on November 30, 2013, 10:58:04 am
 NESCAC All Academic teams have been released. Congratulations to all the student athletes (especially the men soccer players) who received this award!  Well done! :)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on December 04, 2013, 10:39:49 am
Lots of small articles about the Ephs as well as mini-previews of Williams vs. Messiah posted below.  All previews recognize that Messiah is a big favorite.  I think this year's Williams team is actually a bit underrated in terms of how they are playing right NOW because of their record.  It really took awhile to gel with Rashid slow to return to form after the big injury.  The Ephs have been strong in goal and defensively all year, but their offense was worlds better in the post-season than it was during the regular season as Rashid, first-year Mountenot, and Muralles have gelled into a very dynamic attacking trio, and they have benefit from the addition of Conder's tremendous services to help on set pieces.  I actually think the Ephs are playing at a higher level than they were headed into last year's Final Four, when they advanced despite being absolutely dominated by Amherst.  All that being said, neither last year's team (which maybe was not quite as good as its record reflected) nor this year's (which most certainly is much better than its record reflects) is in Messiah's class talent-wise, obviously, so Messiah is right to be heavily favored.  But they should be favored over ANYONE in D3, as reflected by the jaw-dropping statistics noted in Messiah's Final Four preview: http://www.gomessiah.com/news/2013/12/3/MSOC_1203131054.aspx

Other articles:

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/college-soccer-articles/mens-dii-diii-tourneys-down-to-final-four_aid32176
http://www.examiner.com/article/ncaa-division-iii-championship-preview-williams#sthash.HGTBL4ny.uxfs
http://www.voicesnews.com/articles/2013/12/04/sports/doc529de12f3ec08111051810.txt
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/SportsArchive/artikel.php?ID=293958
http://ephsports.williams.edu/sports/msoc/2013-14/releases/2013120444ctv0

Go Ephs! 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 04, 2013, 11:32:45 am

Thanks for posting the local news:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20131203_Rutgers-Camden_soccer_in_its_first-ever_Final_Four.html


Loras and Messiah faithful; please post some articles from the local papers as well...

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ldahoSoccer on December 04, 2013, 12:05:48 pm
Lots of small articles about the Ephs as well as mini-previews of Williams vs. Messiah posted below.  All previews recognize that Messiah is a big favorite.  I think this year's Williams team is actually a bit underrated in terms of how they are playing right NOW because of their record.  It really took awhile to gel with Rashid slow to return to form after the big injury.  The Ephs have been strong in goal and defensively all year, but their offense was worlds better in the post-season than it was during the regular season as Rashid, first-year Mountenot, and Muralles have gelled into a very dynamic attacking trio, and they have benefit from the addition of Conder's tremendous services to help on set pieces.  I actually think the Ephs are playing at a higher level than they were headed into last year's Final Four, when they advanced despite being absolutely dominated by Amherst.  All that being said, neither last year's team (which maybe was not quite as good as its record reflected) nor this year's (which most certainly is much better than its record reflects) is in Messiah's class talent-wise, obviously, so Messiah is right to be heavily favored.  But they should be favored over ANYONE in D3, as reflected by the jaw-dropping statistics noted in Messiah's Final Four preview: http://www.gomessiah.com/news/2013/12/3/MSOC_1203131054.aspx

Other articles:

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/college-soccer-articles/mens-dii-diii-tourneys-down-to-final-four_aid32176
http://www.examiner.com/article/ncaa-division-iii-championship-preview-williams#sthash.HGTBL4ny.uxfs
http://www.voicesnews.com/articles/2013/12/04/sports/doc529de12f3ec08111051810.txt
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/SportsArchive/artikel.php?ID=293958
http://ephsports.williams.edu/sports/msoc/2013-14/releases/2013120444ctv0

Go Ephs!

I would favor Loras and R-C over Messiah right now.  Using past results to predict future performance is like driving a car looking in the rear view mirror. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on December 05, 2013, 07:48:41 am
If past performance did not have substantial predictive value, the Racing Form would have been out of business for over a century.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on December 05, 2013, 08:36:41 am
A question for the sophisticated, unemotional analyst: How would the typical d3 final four team fare against the typical middle-of-the-pack ACC team? Way too slow? Way too lacking in skill? Way too lacking in intensity? All three? None of the three? Other factors?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on December 05, 2013, 09:47:29 am
I think they would hold their own.

Most final 4 players were recuited by D1 as well.
The issue in football is acclimation. Tough to go from 0-60 mph, but the talent is there.
Would take  an entire season to acclimate to pace and physical difference.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on December 05, 2013, 10:01:33 am
I think they would hold their own.

Most final 4 players were recuited by D1 as well.
The issue in football is acclimation. Tough to go from 0-60 mph, but the talent is there.
Would take  an entire season to acclimate to pace and physical difference.

Can only speak to Williams regarding the Final 4 teams, but in general the D3 schools would be slower overall team speed and also lack some height/physicality.  Pace of play would be faster in D1.  The D1 teams also have more skilled scoring firepower up front (much more depth) and would not miss their many opportunities to score.  Overall ball skill and tactical knowledge would not be different.  Intensity and effort would be the same.  Just bigger and faster (better athletes in D1).  No offense to these fine D3 players, and they are good college players, but they are D3 players.  If they were truly D1 ACC players then they would be playing in the ACC and they are not (and that goes for all in D3).  Good luck to Williams this weekend.  Go NESCAC.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on December 05, 2013, 01:00:22 pm
I think they would hold their own.

Most final 4 players were recuited by D1 as well.
The issue in football is acclimation. Tough to go from 0-60 mph, but the talent is there.
Would take  an entire season to acclimate to pace and physical difference.

Can only speak to Williams regarding the Final 4 teams, but in general the D3 schools would be slower overall team speed and also lack some height/physicality.  Pace of play would be faster in D1.  The D1 teams also have more skilled scoring firepower up front (much more depth) and would not miss their many opportunities to score.  Overall ball skill and tactical knowledge would not be different.  Intensity and effort would be the same.  Just bigger and faster (better athletes in D1).  No offense to these fine D3 players, and they are good college players, but they are D3 players.  If they were truly D1 ACC players then they would be playing in the ACC and they are not (and that goes for all in D3).  Good luck to Williams this weekend.  Go NESCAC.


I couldn't disagree more about the reason that some athletes choose d3 over d1. I personally can vouch for many players I have coached that have chosen the d3 route because they chose the school over the sport. There are also athletes that choose d3 so that they can make an immediate impact upon arrival and they don't want to sit the bench for a couple years before they play. The top d3 teams could easily hold their own against middle of the pack d1 schools.

The question was not why some athletes chose D3 vs D1, but how the top of D3 would do vs mid level ACC team...let's pick on BC for an example (not at the top of ACC).  Again let's pick on Williams because I have seen both Williams and BC play this year.  Not questioning if a few of the players on the Williams roster could play some D1 role on the BC team, but the question is comparing the entire Williams D3 team vs the entire BC's D1 team, and truthfully BC team is far superior based on both speed and athleticism, and most importantly depth.  While the top D3 teams each have a handful of players who might possibly play at D1, the D1 team has 25 players who are at this level or better than their D3 counterparts.  Listen I love D3 athletics, but D1 is D1 and D3 is D3 and there is a big difference in the depth and talent level.  D1 and D3 are not different in that if you are not playing serious minutes by your sophomore year, then chances are you won't be playing Jr or Sr year, so choosing D3 over D1 so you will play earlier in your career is an overplayed rationalization.   They likely chose D3 (if soley looking from a soccer standpoint) because yes they would play period (and early) because they were a viable impact D3 recruit, while only likely a marginal D1 recruit, that's just reality.  Might not be the reason they chose to attend a D3 college, but from a soccer perspective it is more than likely true.  If they played 10 times would Williams win once or twice...yes that's possible because anything can happen in a single soccer game, but BC would likely dominate the play 9 out of 10 games.  Always a good debate when broaching this subject, but having watched college soccer closely for the last 8 years there is a big difference between D1 ACC (mid level) and D3 top teams.  Just my honest opinion.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ldahoSoccer on December 05, 2013, 01:43:49 pm
I watched Georgetown live this year on multiple occasions, and I don't think any D3 team would get the ball out of their own half. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on December 06, 2013, 08:08:43 am
Good luck to all the Final Four participants.
I will tell you this, they all think they have the ability to play D1 (and some Professional).
That is because this game that we love is 95% about confidence.

I have personally  known D3 teams that had every forward on the roster doing a sub 4.3 forty.

D1 players are bigger yes, but this is not basketball or throwball.
Suarez, Messi and Aguero are not giants until the ball is at their feet.

Since there are atleast twice as  many D3 as there are D1 programs, it stands to reason that the talent spectrum is wider, but this is the Final 4!

I say again, the acclimation a player would need to adjust is one thing (kinda like what everyone does after High School).

Besides Confidence, the greatest ingredient in being a good soccer player is intelligence. There are some pretty smart boyz plying their trade in D3.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on December 06, 2013, 09:39:05 am
Your correspondent has seen in the very rough neighborhood of a dozen men's NESCAC soccer games in the last 13 years. He doesn't know soccer at all but does know speed - long sprint speed, quickness, change of direction and change of pace - and has never observed in any of those games anyone with close to 4.30/40 speed, much less sub 4.30/40 speed. He must have been watching the wrong games.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 06, 2013, 10:13:54 am

I tried to run a sub 4.3 40 at 2am a few weeks ago.   Turns out, you're not that fast when your drunk... and if pushed by a friend while running, you can smack your face on the concrete and fracture your skull.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on December 06, 2013, 10:26:11 am
Good luck to the Ephs, who will hopefully represent NESCAC well vs. the Messiah juggernaut tonight!  Some nice videos, etc. from the Ephs' week in San Antonio here:

http://ephsports.williams.edu/sports/msoc/2013-14/releases/20131206h7bqpl

The future is bright for Williams assuming they can figure out a goalie situation for next year (neither back-up played much at all this year).  Only a few key players graduate and nearly all the offensive firepower returns, plus they will, presumably, get back three key injured players.  There is going to be a lot of depth and a lot of competition for playing time next year. Hopefully, though, they don't have to think about next year for a few more days!

Williams also has what looks to be a few strong offensive recruits already locked up:

Zach Morant:
http://www.lohud.com/article/20131129/SPORTS/311290070/
(says he is applying ED, but with a 2330 SAT and a 3.9 GPA, I'd say his odds are pretty good ...)

Also,

MF – Tom Young, Edgemont: The All-Section senior was the glue for the Panthers, leading the team with 15 goals and 11 assists. The Williams College-bound playmaker finished his career with 45 goals and 34 assists, and was also named MVP of League II-E.

(See http://boyssoccer.lohudblogs.com/2013/12/01/westchesterputnam-stars-nick-tunic-home-mamaroneck/)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on December 06, 2013, 10:43:08 am


Maybe Saints of Old is thinking of SLU 1995-2000 when they had all those Jamaicans.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on December 06, 2013, 01:58:55 pm
lastguy: Your correspondent doesn't require any alcohol and pushing friend to cause him to fall on the way to the refrigerator - he does it all by himself. As far as his aspiration to run a 4.30/40 is concerned, you've got to be kidding.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: GarbageGoals33 on December 06, 2013, 04:10:38 pm
A sub 4.3 40-yard dash is pretty good.  It would make you one of the fastest players to run the 40-yard dash in NFL combine history. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40-yard_dash

Sub 4.5 40-yard dash is probably a little closer to what you're looking for Saint...
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on December 06, 2013, 09:37:07 pm
Well, Ephs giving it their best but they are dramatically outclassed.  Messiah is better than anyone the Ephs have played this year, by a very wide margin.  Entertaining soccer as both teams play a very similar style, unfortunately for the Ephs, Messiah just plays it better.  The first goal was flukey, a ball that popped high off a defender's leg and caught the goalie off his line and floated in, but the second was a beautiful and really too-easy header off a long cross.  Messiah up 2-0 already and have had several other very good chances, could easily be 3-0.  Muralles had two rocket shots for the Ephs, both of which narrowly missed, early in the game, but since then the Ephs have had no opportunities at all.  Thompson is the best player I've seen Williams play against in some time.  And the Messiah defenders are extremely tough to beat one-on-one.  Ephs will continue to give it their all, but falling down 2-0, and with Messiah pretty much in control it will take a miracle.  NO big surprise, but was hoping the Ephs could hang in for a bit longer ...
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on December 06, 2013, 10:30:46 pm
Well, Williams down 4-0, and Morrell made a few great saves so it could be worse.  Just nothing the Ephs can do, utterly dominatedth.  Messiah has three guys who all would easily be the best player in NESCAC, D Carter Robbins (simply incredible, Rashid could do nothing on at all vs. him, and he also added a nice goal off a set piece, he is on par with previous Williams defenders Kaufman and Leary, both of whom were national players of the year), and scheming MF's Jeremy Payne and Jack Thompson, who lived up to their all-American billings and who are just incredibly skilled and crafty offensive players, not to mention fast and athletic.  Ramirez had a strong game as well.  What is scary is that all four of those guys are Juniors.  As long as Messiah is around and makes it through early rounds, I don't see any NESCAC squad standing a chance.  Amherst might have matched up better simply because they play a different style rather than trying to beat Messiah at its own game, but the talent differential between Messiah and any NESCAC school is simply immense.  Still, a great tourney run for the underdog Ephs, who will be overall a stronger and deeper team next season. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on December 06, 2013, 11:12:26 pm
All is right in the world - the Ten Commandments lords it over SAT scores.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on December 10, 2013, 09:37:44 am
Congratulations to the Ephmen for getting to the Final Four in back to back seasons.  Obviously Messiah is another level up talent wise come tourney time which every other D3 team found out.  Looking out towards 2014 season Williams will have a large portion of their line up back in tact and should be set up for a nice 2014 season (injuries not withstanding) contending again in the NESCAC.  any thoughts to who else will be strongly in the mix?  Middlebury? Amherst?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on December 10, 2013, 10:28:11 am
In light of the fact that the best thing about first-year is that they become sophomores, Middlebury should be poised to make the biggest leap forward, and should be a top-three team for sure, as their tremendous frosh class continues to mature.  Amherst I think will still be in the mix but won't dominate the league as they have the past few years.  The Jeffs have all of their offensive firepower returning plus Rico will presumably return from his season-long injury; he was a crucial loss.  Bull is also a monster in goal.  But Amherst loses a slew of really strong defenders and is unlikely to be as stingy in terms of limiting opponents' chances. 

Williams should be improved after the confidence and experience gained from the late-season run and with the return of Michael Madding (who missed all year due to injury), Ritter and Burbank-Crump.  With those three guys plus Pierce, Danilak, Conder, Grunman, Seitz and Dory, the Ephs are really big, deep (two deep at basically every spot), and experienced at the defense / defensive midfielder positions.  The offensive engine of Rashid, Mountenot and Muralles return and those guys if they stay healthy will create plenty of chances, all are skilled and crafty and should work together even better next season.  I imagine Westling will play more up top given how many guys the Ephs have returning in the backfield.  But Williams has two huge question marks -- goaltender, since no one returning has played meaningful minutes, and they need to find another striker or two to replace Kushaina and Kastner.  If one or more of the incoming first-year players can step in right away to finish more of the opportunities the team will surely generate (the team has lacked for two years now an elite finisher), or perhaps someone like Westling can be effective moving into that role, they will be a Final Four threat again. 

Wesleyan and Tufts seem like the other two teams who could potentially contend. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on December 13, 2013, 11:28:23 am
Congrats to the many NESCAC all-American players:

http://www.nscaa.com/2013-ncaa-division-iii-men-s-all-america-teams?utm_medium=short_url

Ben Brewster on the first team, Thomas Bull (who with only a senior ahead of him is well-positioned to be a two-time first-teamer) and Julien Aoyama on the second team, and Matt Muralles and Billy Hawkey on the third team.  Impressive showing. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on December 14, 2013, 11:58:19 am
Congratulations boys...well done and well deserved...Go NESCAC!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: FourMoreYears on January 06, 2014, 01:56:58 pm
Roughly when does the NESCAC Men's Soccer schedule get released?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on January 07, 2014, 12:31:08 pm
Most teams already kno their schedules now but officially it gets released June 1st......
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on January 27, 2014, 04:19:09 pm
1st, 2nd and 5th best MLS players from Division III are Ephs ... not too shabby!

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/01/27/monday-postgame-ranking-best-lower-division-college-players-stick-mls
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Christan Shirk on February 01, 2014, 01:29:25 am
Very cool that they did an article like that.  Too bad the author completely overlooked Lance Key, a 3-time All-American at Trinity (Tx.), who started 34 games for the Colorado Rapids in 2000 and 2001 as a defender.  Key should have been at No. 3 or 4 on the list, and then the author wouldn't have needed to reach so much to fill out the list with Blake and Schunk at No. 5 (no offense to either of those players).  Key was a 4th Round pick in the 2000 SuperDraft (43rd overall).
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on February 01, 2014, 03:57:12 am
The general public loves ranked lists; the truly sophisticated believe that they are folly.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on February 09, 2014, 02:18:48 pm
Great ESPN feature on former Eph Nick Pugliese:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10424324
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: casualfan on February 10, 2014, 12:07:00 pm
I found the video of Pugliese to be very inspiring. It's encouraging to see that the local Afghan people were easily willing to set aside any differences for the betterment of the team and sport. Gotta love that he happens to be a former Division III athlete as well!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: maineman on March 20, 2014, 10:10:04 am
Seabrook named head Colby men's soccer coach



WATERVILLE, Maine --- After 10 years as an assistant coach at the NCAA Division I level, Ewan Seabrook was named the new head coach of the Colby College men's soccer program Wednesday.

Seabrook, a native of Lewes, England, will be Colby's first new men's soccer coach in nearly 40 years. He spent six seasons at the University of New Hampshire as associate head coach and four years as assistant coach at Hartwick College.

"Ewan distinguished himself from an extremely strong group of applicants as the right person to lead our program," said Marcella Zalot, Colby's Harold Alfond Director of Athletics. "I am confident that he will build and grow our men's soccer program on multiple levels and I know the young men in our program will thrive under his guidance. I am excited about this new chapter in the long and proud history of Colby men's soccer."

Before his coaching career, Seabrook played Division I soccer at Iona College and Oneonta State. He was selected to the Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference All-Rookie Team while playing with Iona. Seabrook graduated with honors from Oneonta State in 2002 and earned academic all-conference team honors. Seabrook earned his master's degree from University of New Hampshire in 2011.

Seabrook now starts his first job as a head coach. He is only the seventh head men's soccer coach since the program was started in 1959.

"This really is a dream come true for me," Seabrook said. "I'm really grateful to Marcella and the search committee for this opportunity. I'm excited to join such an outstanding department and I want to bring a culture of success to every aspect of the soccer program."

Seabrook takes over the program from Mark Serdjenian, a 1973 Colby graduate who led the Mules to a 261-230-46 record over the last 38 years. Serdjenian is still with Colby, working as an assistant with women's soccer, women's lacrosse, and doing administrative work.

"It's an absolute honor to succeed Mark. He is Colby soccer," Seabook said. "I've heard so many great things about him from the search committee and other coaches. He has a wealth of knowledge and will be invaluable to me as I learn more about the team and the campus."

Seabrook comes to Colby after working with two good head coaches. Rob Thompson is in his 18th year at New Hampshire, while Ian McIntyre is now the head coach at Syracuse University after a successful stint at Hartwick. Seabrook also worked with Thompson on the Seacoast United Under-18 Soccer Club.

"I've been very lucky to have had two head coaches in Rob and Ian that have given me real latitude in being part of all aspects of running a college soccer program," Seabrook said. "I know that doesn't exist everywhere."

Seabrook helped Hartwick win the Atlantic Soccer Conference in 2005 and earn the program's first NCAA bid since 1995. During his tenure at UNH, the Wildcats were the 2009 America East regular season champions and made the America East title game in 2010 and 2012. A defender in college, Seabrook has worked with the defense, forwards, and goalies during his time as an assistant.

Off the field, Seabrook was involved on the UNH campus. He acted as an ambassador for the UNH White Ribbon Campaign to end violence against women, coordinated student-athletes to appear in an anti-homophobia video for the Office of Multicultural Student Affairs, and co-created and delivered a Bystander Education curriculum to UNH's athletic teams.

"It's terrific that part of the fabric of being at Colby and part of the culture is to collaborate across campus," Seabrook said. "It's a strong part of my coaching conviction that we are privileged in athletics and we need to use that privilege to benefit the campus in ways we can."

 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on March 23, 2014, 10:05:40 am
Someone posted on another board that Amherst has a D1 transfer coming in, plus Heo returning for his senior year.  They should be loaded yet again.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on March 23, 2014, 12:35:12 pm
No way Heo is playing next year. His frosh year was 2008..its 2014 and I believe there is a NCAA rule you have to play 4 in six years or something like that. I have not heard who the transfer is but most D1 transfers can be tricky. Midd's transfer from Seton Hall the past few years was a solid wingback but nothing special, certainly not able to change a game. Most transfers are transferring for a reason, usually not a positive one. As far as Williams goes you are right they GK situation is not a good one. Bravo is no starter and the other 2 have no experience. Madding a great player but after 3 ACL's you cannot count on him yet. The only real loss is Morrell and after the semi-final in San Antonio I am not so sure he is not replacable. User faded his last two years and Kastner suprised with 5 goals and his tenacious ball hunting they both can be replaced.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Christan Shirk on March 23, 2014, 07:56:56 pm
This site http://www.studentsports.com/soccer/2013/09/25/class-2014-ncaa-division-iii-commitments/ lists midfielder Bryce Ciambella as transferring to Amherst from Division I Creighton.  From the Creighton men's soccer pages, he was a red-shirted as a freshman in 2012 and then did not appear in any games in 2013. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on March 25, 2014, 10:00:49 am
Thank you..good site
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Becks on April 21, 2014, 11:19:26 am
Do many/all NESCAC schools have JV/reserve men's soccer teams? On the girls side, Middlebury is the only NESCAC that I am aware of that has a JV team.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on April 21, 2014, 12:13:58 pm
Wesleyan
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on April 22, 2014, 01:07:24 am
Williams, Midd and Bates have JV teams for men
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Becks on April 23, 2014, 03:25:00 pm
I posted the following in the NESCAC women's soccer forum, but thought that followers of NESCAC men's soccer might also be interested:

I took a look at NESCAC men's and women's soccer stats to see what the similarities and differences were.

Many of the key stats are surprisingly similar.

Median team goals per game average (conf games only) - 2013, 2012, 2011
M - 1.1, 1.2, 0.9
W - 1.3, 1.2, 1.3
The women actually scored slightly more per game, but, given the small sample size, the difference may not be significant.

Median team shots per game average (conf games only) - 2013, 2012, 2011
M - 12.6, 12.3, 11.8
W - 12.4, 11.4, 13.5
Very similar for men and women's teams.

Saves percentage of #6 (approx median) ranked keeper (conf games only) - 2013, 2012, 2011
M - 0.800, 0.814, 0.791
W - 0.802, 0.821, 0.836
Fairly similar, but surprisingly (to me) the median women's keeper had a slightly higher saves percentage.


Some stats, however, do show differences.

Median corner kicks per game (conf only) - 2013, 2012, 2011
M - 4.4, 5.0, 4.4
W - 3.8, 3.9, 3.7
I think this difference is real. One possible theory is that women are not coached to seek corner kicks as much because women are generally weaker headers of the ball, so corner kicks are less valuable in the women's game than the men's game.


The biggest statistical difference that I found, however, was in fouls.

Median team fouls per game (conf only) - 2012, 2011, 2010 (I included 2010 because I could not find 2013 stats)
M - 12.2, 12.2, 10.5
W - 7.9, 8.5, 8.6
So a typical NESCAC women's game has only about 2/3 the number of fouls called as a typical NESCAC men's game, which, subjectively, seems about right to me.

Median team yellow cards per season (conf only) - 2013, 2012, 2011
M - 13, 8, 9
W - 0, 1, 2
This is a huge difference. There were an average of about 2 yellow cards handed out  in each men's game, while a women's team might see 2 all year.  Under FIFA rules, this would mean that NESCAC men commit about 10x as many "reckless", "unsporting" or "deliberate" fouls as NESCAC women.  I suspect men do commit more of these fouls, but I think part of it is also a general reluctance on the part of refs to hand out cards in women's games even when the conduct deserves it.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on May 19, 2014, 02:49:56 pm
Was surprised to see on the Amherst website....on the Alumni section...the announcement of a reception and game on the 20 and 21 respectively for the men's soccer team in Paris!
No mention of it anywhere else.
Amherst does have an influential soccer alum in the region...Prince Albert of Monaco....who played for Amherst and has sponsored interns, etc. Related to soccer.   Interesting.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on May 28, 2014, 04:22:19 pm
HUGE news in NESCAC soccer as Coach Russo announces he will be retiring following the 2014 season.  I'm fairly confident that he will go down as the best coach in NESCAC soccer history ... what an incredible legacy, and a class act through and through to boot.  The 2014 Ephs have a lot of talent returning, coming off a Final Four run with GK being the only major question mark, and posting strong results in Russo's last year as a coach will surely motivate them in the offseason. 

Coach Russo will be a very tough act to follow at Williams.  I am sure there will be many top-notch candidates for the job, including members of the Russo coaching tree like Erin Sullivan (likely the odds-on favorite) and Dan Calichman. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on June 02, 2014, 09:31:37 am
Interesting news indeed. 2 Final fours in a row but knowing Russo I think he will be most disappointed with not winning a couple more NCAA championships. Those Jamaican teams in the beginning part of this decade were so damn talented. Whoever takes over in 2015 is getting one talented senior class. Rashid, Westling, Gruman, Ritter, etc.  It will be real disappointing because they are one of the few teams left that actually "play" soccer...i.e. Messiah, St.Lawrence. I doubt whatever coach takes over is going to continue this trend, especially the way Nescac has been trending.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on June 03, 2014, 03:46:51 pm
Since we are on the topic of Russo’s retirement, I wanted to look at all the coaching changes in the last decade in Nescac and give them a grade. What was once a league in the late 70’s,80’s and 90’s of consistency and less pressure and focus on winning in general has turned into a pressure packed league with parents and even alums getting into the Athletic Director’s ear about not getting results.  Coaches lasted decades and could even go a decade under .500 and not worry about it too much. Recruiting was non-existent and it was a very secure job. In 1993, when the NCAA tournament ban was lifted this changed everything. You could even argue Russo and Williams aslo helped change the culture in the 80’s as he started recruiting and sneaking players away from some of the Ivies (i.e Calichman-who was headed to Dartmouth). I am by no means saying Nescac was different than any other D1,D2 or D3 league. Some Ivies in the 80’s were still not recruiting and you had D1 teams still scheduling D3 teams until they finally realized it was a no win situation. You are supposed to win and if you lost it looked real bad. Middlebury would beat UVM, Williams would beat Dartmouth, Tufts and Brandeis would give Harvard a game and even Wesleyan would play Yale.  NO pressure until the late 80’s and early 90’s. Anyway, I am going off topic and we could talk about this another time. Let’s look at the coaching changes and if it was warranted and if the replacement has improved the program to date.

Amherst-Peter Gooding / Milton Gooding replaced by Justin Serpone in 2007. Peter Gooding was a legend and did so much for the game, was even the NSCAA President in the 90’s. He was retiring in 2006 and wanted to hand the job to his son Milton who had been there about a decade coaching with him. For whatever reason, the new AD or President wasn’t having it. Milton was an exceptional recruiter as he got a lot of talent to Amherst which in my opinion is half the job. However, for whatever reason they were not as consistent as they are now and not nearly as organized. Serpone has turned this program into a consistent winner and a dominant powerhouse year in and year out. He has rubbed some people the wrong way with his methods but you cannot argue the results or the hire.           A-

Bates-George Purgavie replaced by Stewart Flaherty in 2012. Purgavie had been there some 30 years with some decent teams and some bad ones. A solid coach and sneaky tactician, who seemed to really care about his players. His best years were 2002-2007 as he had some top of the league talent and results. This school is the toughest school to recruit to in Nescac for a number of reasons that is another story for another time. He was forced out in 2012 after a 0-10 Nescac record and bumped up to a director of coaching or overseer of both men’s and women’s soccer. A nice demotion for a nice guy who had been at the school for 30 years. It was time for a change no doubt as he looked a bit dis-interested in the end. Rumors were that Flaherty had gone behind Purgavie’s back as his assistant to the AD and threw him under the bus. Whatever the truth is he got the AD’s attention and ended up getting the job. I think Bates has never had less talent on its roster as it did last year. They had no weapons up front and looked dysfunctional on offense. In fairness to Flaherty, Purgavie left the cupboard dry but I think the AD would have been better served to hire a young gun assistant to really turn the program around and recruit and motivate…i.e Shapiro at Tufts. No offense to Flaherty but he looks lost in this league. I will give him another year or 2 to put his stamp on the program but for now Flaherty gets a D.           D

Bowdoin-Fran O’Leary replaced by Scott Wiercinski in 2013. O’Leary left for Toronto FC which is looking like a better move by the day and was replaced by Wiercinski. In 2005, when Ainscough was forced out and he went to Northeastern, Wiercinski was being considered for the job but O’Leary came out of nowhere from George Mason and decided he wanted back in D3. He knew the AD from Kenyon or something like that and they hired him in August of 2005 leaving Wiercinski wondering what the hell happened. He eventually got the U Chicago job. Fran was extremely organized defensively and in shape and it showed in 2010 with their NCAA final four team and if not for a late goal they could have won the whole thing. If Middlebury is recruiting, Bowdoin usually gets their scraps. Midd and Bowdoin will always get the best athletes in Nescac. They will feed off of Williams and Amherst scraps. Kids love Bowdoin’s facilities and the town and the proximity to Boston. I have no opinion really of the new coach as he needs time but he is the PERFECT example of what Bates and Colby should have done, and what Tufts and Bowdoin did do; Former player in Nescac, D1 or D3 assistant or head coach, young fit and energetic. Basically he has a great understanding of the league and its players and its requirements.    B

Colby-Mark Serdjenian replaced by Ewan Seabrook in 2014. The longest tenured coach in Nescac was basically forced out after an 0-10 league record. Serdjenian was an all around great guy and coach. It is hard to recruit to Colby as you have to get in your car and drive everywhere from the middle of Maine to see kids and I do not think Serdjenian was a good recruiter. It’s  a young man’s job and this is the clearest example. Like Purgavie at Bates, Serdjenian was kept in the Athletic department until I assume he retires. Seabrook has no Nescac experience and is from across the pond. He comes from UNH as a top assistant. Time will tell    B-

Connecticut College-Bill Lessig replaced by Kenny Murphy in 2009. Murphy came from Brown as Noonan’s top assistant and immediately lit a fire under Conn’s players asses. Lessig should have been long gone by now as he was buying time. Another example of the old school Nescac coach who never recruited and made do with what he had. Lessig had a couple good teams in the early 90’s but nothing else really to show for a long career. Murphy quickly learned that besides Trinity, Conn can get anyone in thru admissions for a Nescac school. He is a great recruiter and works his ass off recruiting. He gets results and is a good coach. The question now is can he bring this team to the next level and get them into a NCAA berth or a Nescac Final Four.      B+

Tufts-Ralph Ferrigno replaced by Josh Shapiro in 2010.  Ferrigno was the most aloof Nescac coach. His peers barely knew him. He had some great teams in the mid-90’s and Tufts had a magical 1994 NCAA run where they hosted Johns Hopkins in front of 3,000 screaming fans. Somewhere along the line Ferrigno lost interest in his team, instead trying to focus on his camps which were making him pretty good money. Eventually, Tufts lost interest in him and canned him after 15 years.  If Tufts can be dominant in and win NCAA championships in LAX, there is no reason why Men’s Soccer cannot do the same. Tufts is a great school, largest undergrads, Boston location, etc etc. It just needed some youthful energy and got it with Shapiro. Played at Midd, D1 assitant under Weise at Georgetown, paid his dues and has done an incredible job of recruiting and turning this team around. Ferrigno left him a bag of balls and some JV players. In four years he has gotten Tufts back in the NCAA’s, has some of the best talent in Nescac(whether they gel is another story), and has brought life to this dormant program.  A

Hot Seat-Perry Nizzi-Hamilton
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on June 06, 2014, 04:42:15 pm
Great summary LaPaz on the coaching changes....don't disagree with anything said.  Looking forward to the coming 2014 season.  Any scuttlebutt regarding impact frosh recruits heading to NESCAC for this fall?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Midwestrecruiter on June 06, 2014, 05:31:19 pm
How can Serpone receive A- and Shapiro A...?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on June 09, 2014, 08:46:26 pm
I agree LaPaz, great review.

A little off topic but speaking of long-term guys who not only have survived but done quite well recently (in addition to Russo) in this area, Coven at Brandeis comes to mind.  I know they had some great teams years ago and then maybe some so-so years for a long stretch, but certainly Brandeis has had a resurgence and he has been recruiting extremely well and getting a lot of local talent.  Brandeis is bringing in another big class for the Fall.  Will be interesting to see if they can get past the Sweet 16 where Williams has prevailed 2 years in a row.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on June 09, 2014, 09:02:38 pm
The other thing that seems a little disappointing with Bates and especially Colby is that you would assume that those long-term coaches had earned quite a bit of pull with admissions if they wanted to use it.  I agree that although on the same academic plane (and despite Colby being even further away) Bates is probably a tougher sell.  Not sure why that is other than Lewiston, but Colby has been a very hot school and one would think Colby could have recruited better.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on June 10, 2014, 02:41:03 pm
Coven was going to be fired about 5 years ago, after years of inept play. His peers came to his defense by calling the AD and alums chimed in. I think they gave him 2 years to figure it out and gave him a full time assistant. Gabe Margolis the assistant has been there for about 10 years and has done most of his recruiting and has been waiting for him to retire to take over. I do not think he is ready to give it up yet
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on June 10, 2014, 05:13:27 pm
If Coven was on the hot seat 5 years ago, then he certainly turned it around because he has had some very good teams the last 4 years and brought in some very good players.  He and Margolis do a very good job over at Brandeis and have kept a lot of Massachusetts soccer talent in Waltham.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on June 11, 2014, 08:42:22 pm
Agreed
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on June 25, 2014, 02:14:13 pm
Corazon....welcome aboard.  Interesting and perceptive post, IMO.  I'm not a frequent poster on this board...more so on other sports boards.  Do read the post here since I am a fan of Spencer Noon, a recent graduate of Amherst and the last First Team All American player.  Saw him as a freshman and became friends with his parents over the years.  Connection was due to his basketball skills!  Played on the BB team for several years but injuries from soccer limited him on the hardwood...especially since the BB team was a Final 4 contender during his Amherst years.  The Nescac is a place where a student can play multi-sports.  Noon was all state in both BB and soccer and his father was an All-American BB player at the U. Of Hartford.
I suggest that you check out the Amherst website...soccer site...if you want to get another view of Amherst soccer and the head coach.  In particular, the blog of the team's trip to Europe recently.  Also there is a story of last year's team trip to the NJ to visit the professional team.
Good luck and "good hunting" to you. And your son. :)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: SoccerFollower on July 09, 2014, 01:53:36 pm
Anyone have predictions for the coming season?

Mine goes:
1. Williams
2. Amherst
3. Conn College
4. Middlebury
5. Trinity
6. Tufts
7. Wesleyan
8. Bowdoin
9. Hamilton
10. Colby
11. Bates

I think Conn and Middlebury are up and coming, but are going to be no match for Williams-Amherst. I have Williams winning regular season mostly because it's Russo's last season. Thoughts? Discussion?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on July 10, 2014, 05:54:11 am
Mike Russo deserves to go out in style, but irrespective of outcome he has been a magnificent coach.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on July 10, 2014, 12:50:58 pm
Anyone have predictions for the coming season?

Mine goes:
1. Williams
2. Amherst
3. Conn College
4. Middlebury
5. Trinity
6. Tufts
7. Wesleyan
8. Bowdoin
9. Hamilton
10. Colby
11. Bates

I think Conn and Middlebury are up and coming, but are going to be no match for Williams-Amherst. I have Williams winning regular season mostly because it's Russo's last season. Thoughts? Discussion?

Can't argue with putting Williams #1,  especially with the returning players (healthy forwards) for Williams, the last 2 Final 4 runs, and the "let's win it for Russo" effect.  Amherst #2 or #1B given how they have reload every year and dominate and their new frosh talent.  After that Conn, Middlebury, Tufts, Wesleyan mix in 2nd tier in any combination based upon returning personnel, then the rest in Tier 3.  Spots #3 through #6 will all probably be health driven....whoever is healthier for the bulk of season will finish higher.   Until someone comes along and knocks Williams and Amherst off their perch it's hard to argue against ranking them #1A and #1B.  Looking forward to this upcoming season.  I expect 4 NESCAC teams to make the NCAA's this Fall.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on July 12, 2014, 10:42:04 am
1. Amherst- Jae Heo back and Rico plus a 10 day pre-season trip. Toughest schedule to start season. They get thru that and they are set.
2. Williams- talent is there, loads of seniors but lets remember Russo is a lame duck and most kids these days do not care. There are a couple bad seeds on this team that if not playing could ruin a good year. This team will be worth watching.
3. Wesleyan- They have now lifted SAT scores from requirements to get more athletes in(see Bowdoin). They have a decent frosh class and Wheeler always gets it done defensively. Toughest non-league schedule
4. Tufts- Maybe most talented group of seniors but there is def some issues inside this locker room. Another team to watch. Easiest schedule to start the year.
5. Midd- Athletic and talented and always organized but who is scoring goals aganist good teams?
6. Conn- see MIDD, without Hawkey I see no goalscoring agnist the better teams
7.Bowdoin- Will compete but without Brewster they will lack a toughness and struggle
8,9,10,11- Bates is just awful, Colby trying to re-build will be awful, Hamilton had some great results last year but lose alot of players and Trinty is your never ending roller coaster of wins and losses. Trinity will get some great results and are always dangerous on set pieces but then they will lose games mid-week that are mind boggling.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on July 12, 2014, 02:26:28 pm
My assessment is that Russo is so fair, decent, knowledgeable and effective that he will inspire even the selfish to cooperate - but probably you have more or better info than I.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on July 12, 2014, 09:31:29 pm
1.  Amherst -- Too strong and motivation will be consistently high with bitterly disappointing ends to last 2 seasons
2.  Middlebury -- Strong young talent matured with team that was close to breaking through last year
3.  Tufts -- Very talented team will fluctuate between some strong results and a couple of letdown moments
4.  Williams -- Good team but luck will go the other way this year as pressure of Russo's swan song works against them (or they will win league and bow out early in NCAAs, unless of course they beat Brandeis and Amherst back-to-back for 3rd year in a row)
5.  Wesleyan -- Not quite as strong and will fight and claw to be in the mix for the last NESCAC NCAA bid
6.  Conn College -- Good enough to fight for mid-stable spot but still not strong enough to break through into top 3
7.  Bowdoin -- Rebuilding but still good enough for favorable results against the bottom 4
8.  Trinity -- Difficult year and a step back after nearly breaking through prior couple of years (basically Conn College and Trinity reversing traditional roles)
9.  Hamilton -- Most unknown and toughest to gauge and maybe most likely for modest upside surprise
10. Bates -- Not good, but slightly more determined than Colby to pull out a couple of results
11. Colby -- Nice kids but roster is weak and not much reason to expect improvement in first year after coaching legend moves on

In terms of teams who may spoil another NESCAC entry in the final four, watch out for SLU this year.  Also Rochester, Hobart, Brandeis, maybe Union, and my sleeper is Wheaton.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on July 16, 2014, 07:59:54 pm
Frank-Agreed..

NCAC- As far as teams to surprise Nescac's, those 4 teams you have listed would have no chance in the NCAA's aganist a Nescac. Just look at the history. I believe St.Lawrence lost to Williams in NCAA's in 2004, 2005, 2012 and St.Lawrence's best team in 1998, the year before their National Championship in 1999, which was basically the same team they lost in PK's. They beat Amherst in 2002 but since Serpone has taken over lost in 2008, 2010,2013.

Union- Until they decide to play a decent non-conference schedule they will never get into NCAA's.

Rochester- Always get a favorable NCAA draw because of coach being on the committee and always bow out in sweet 16.

Wheaton- Might win the NEWMAC but these teams hardly can compare to Cushing's great and deep teams of the early part of this decade.

Hobart- There best player #25 Bernard(forgot last name) went to Kent and is a legit player but they do not have the depth.

Brandeis- Would never be able to get by Amherst or Williams. They have good players and skilled players but need to get more physical and pure athletes. Guve them a Conrad from Midd or a Ben Brewster from Bowdoin and that would put them over the top
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on July 16, 2014, 09:55:54 pm
We'll see.  I'm sure there is a bit of a psychological hurdle, but I watched two full NCAA games of SLU and was very impressed.  They were within inches of knocking out Amherst last year, eventually losing in 2nd OT I believe, and they appear to have strong class coming in.  I think you also may be selling Rochester and Brandeis a little short.  Looking forward to the season.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on July 16, 2014, 10:02:11 pm
BTW, speaking of good NCAA draws, the New England region appears to offer some of the best ones.  Williams had a cakewalk to the sweet 16, and some of the other teams had a pretty desirable first 2 games as well.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on July 17, 2014, 11:31:57 am
Listen I am a huge fan of the way SLU plays. They just do not have the same players they had back when they had the Jamaicans and Carruth and the GK that went to MLS. Durocher refuses to change his system and they did have bad luck as without DeMello in 2012 they lost to Williams. Thats the story though they have the talent to beat Nescac teams but just have not had the luck lately.

New England region can be easy but that's because all these AQ's come from weak New England Conferences. Also regional rankings ranked WNEC, Gordon and RWU all fom the CCC ahead of Nescac teams. For this only Amherst and Williams would get in. The 3 CCC teams got destroyed, except RWU, and the Nescac's were left wondering what happened.

Apple at Rochester is known in coaching circles to get or nudge his teams for favorable draws in NCAA's and sometimes he even gets UR into the dance with questionable records
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on August 01, 2014, 09:02:24 am
1. Amherst- Jae Heo back and Rico plus a 10 day pre-season trip. Toughest schedule to start season. They get thru that and they are set.
2. Williams- talent is there, loads of seniors but lets remember Russo is a lame duck and most kids these days do not care. There are a couple bad seeds on this team that if not playing could ruin a good year. This team will be worth watching.
3. Wesleyan- They have now lifted SAT scores from requirements to get more athletes in(see Bowdoin). They have a decent frosh class and Wheeler always gets it done defensively. Toughest non-league schedule
4. Tufts- Maybe most talented group of seniors but there is def some issues inside this locker room. Another team to watch. Easiest schedule to start the year.
5. Midd- Athletic and talented and always organized but who is scoring goals aganist good teams?
6. Conn- see MIDD, without Hawkey I see no goalscoring agnist the better teams
7.Bowdoin- Will compete but without Brewster they will lack a toughness and struggle
8,9,10,11- Bates is just awful, Colby trying to re-build will be awful, Hamilton had some great results last year but lose alot of players and Trinty is your never ending roller coaster of wins and losses. Trinity will get some great results and are always dangerous on set pieces but then they will lose games mid-week that are mind boggling.

Hi LaPaz, Question--Amherst is taking or has taken a 10-day pre-season trip abroad?  I had heard there was a moratorium on NESCAC teams from taking team trips abroad due to the potential increased dangers/terrorist perceived with such a trip.  This was the reason stated by a number of coaches a few years ago as to why no  such trips were being made in the past 4+years.  Where did the Amherst team go and I'm sure since its NESCAC these practices/trip/games reduce the amount of pre-season practices they can have once the real pre-season starts.  did they already take this team trip?  Just curious, however if they are getting a head start on things then they will surely be the team to beat once again given their already loaded roster.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on August 01, 2014, 10:53:52 am
All NESCAC....in early Summer/late Spring, I found on the Alumni section of the Amherst website a mention of the trip abroad.  The team headed to Paris and met up with two players doing their time abroad.  They played in Paris, Lyon and in Monaco.....trip had a blog, photos, etc and may still be on the Soccer section of the Athletic Page.  Seems it was primarily arranged and sponsored by alumui supporters of the sport.
On The 3rd of August, the majority of the Amherst baseball team with profs, coaches head To Japan for a historic trip.  Again funded by alumni fans primarily.  Check it out on the Amherst website/ athletic section.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 03, 2014, 05:41:03 pm
from 2008-2012 pre season trips were banned for all sports. In regards to soccer you use to be able to take the trips in mid august right before pre-season. One every four years and to my knowledge every team took advantage of it. In 2008 they banned it and it was re-instated in 2013 for 2 trials. One being Williams men's Soccer and the other being maybe Wesleyan womens lax(not to sure how accurate that is). They re-introduced the trips but for some reason put a time frame on when they had to be taken. for mens and womens soccer it was either March break or after finals in May. Your example of a baseball team going in late August makes about zero sense, so as you can see another example of the presidents and AD's not knowing what the hell is going on.

In regards to the Amherst trip that is partially funded by Prince Albert 's good friend who played for Peter Gooding in 1982. I am sure the trip was first class and a late May trip while odd for soccer can only help get the guys motivated and in shape for the summer into pre-season. So YES an advantage
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 03, 2014, 05:45:42 pm
To answer another of your questions these trips have no effect on your pre-season days and double sessions. The new 15 game schedule has teams playing games 4 to 5 days into pre season. Basically 15 games in 60 days with a week or less pre season. An average of a game every 4 days. HUGE DISADVANTAGE
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 04, 2014, 12:08:10 am
I am not too familiar with NESCAC teams, but just questioning how strong of a conference it is with only two teams posting 10 or more wins in the 2013 campaign.  And also the conference's NCAA national tournament representative gets beat 4-0 and gets out shot 25-11 in the semi-finals.  I only see the numbers, but stats like that certainly raise questions about the real strength of the conference.  Again not too familiar with the teams in the conference, just looking at the stats.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: FourMoreYears on August 04, 2014, 09:11:34 am
I am not too familiar with NESCAC teams, but just questioning how strong of a conference it is with only two teams posting 10 or more wins in the 2013 campaign.  And also the conference's NCAA national tournament representative gets beat 4-0 and gets out shot 25-11 in the semi-finals.  I only see the numbers, but stats like that certainly raise questions about the real strength of the conference.  Again not too familiar with the teams in the conference, just looking at the stats.

I would offer two observations:

1. It's tough for NESCAC teams to pile up lots of wins. For example,  in 2013 they were limited to 14 regular season games ... only 4 out of conference.  So they spend the regular season beating up on each other.  There are only a few "automatic wins" in the NESCAC ... Colby and Bates last year.  The rest of the games are hard-fought battles.  A quick tally appears to show the NESCAC 2013 non-conference record at 41-7-5. 

2. You can't measure a conference by a single semi-final game.  You can measure a team versus another team by a single game.  No doubt that Messiah is a far better team and program currently than any team in the NESCAC. But I suppose that could be said of any team and any conference.  Messiah stands head and shoulders above everybody right now.

In terms of quality and depth, I think the NESCAC ranks pretty high up there for the D-3 conferences.  Curious D3soccerwatcher ... what conference do you think is the best in the land top to bottom?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on August 04, 2014, 09:43:22 am
D3soccerwatcher, trying to glean anyting from results vs. Messiah is silly.  That's like saying a NESCAC team played a D1 team and lost badly, so therefore NESCAC is not a power conference.  Messiah badly outclasses almost every team in D3, almost every year.  Indeed, only two teams OTHER than Messiah have won a national title in the past decade.  And guess what?  One of them (Middlebury) was a NESCAC squad.  In some of those title games, Messiah absolutely pasted opponents, including a 5-1 win in the 2012 championship game.  In D3 soccer, there is Messiah, and there is everyone else.  But what is clear is that NESCAC is clearly right there at the top of "everyone else." 

NESCAC has had two teams win national titles: Williams and Midd.  Williams may be the most storied non-Messiah program in Division 3: a national title, five other final four appearances, four national players of the year, and a slew of players playing professionally, including two who had very successful MLS careers.  Amherst also has a tremendous program, including two final four appearances and a current eight-year streak of NCAA appearances, with several deep runs in the tourney.  And the conference has tremendous depth across the board, with Trinity, Bowdoin, Tufts and Wesleyan all having very strong programs as well. 

Excluding Messiah (which is better than every other conference, combined) NESCAC and NJAC have had the most post-season success of any D3 conferences. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on August 04, 2014, 10:20:41 am
All NESCAC....in early Summer/late Spring, I found on the Alumni section of the Amherst website a mention of the trip abroad.  The team headed to Paris and met up with two players doing their time abroad.  They played in Paris, Lyon and in Monaco.....trip had a blog, photos, etc and may still be on the Soccer section of the Athletic Page.  Seems it was primarily arranged and sponsored by alumui supporters of the sport.
On The 3rd of August, the majority of the Amherst baseball team with profs, coaches head To Japan for a historic trip.  Again funded by alumni fans primarily.  Check it out on the Amherst website/ athletic section.

thanks...sounds like a great opportunity.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on August 04, 2014, 10:21:15 am
from 2008-2012 pre season trips were banned for all sports. In regards to soccer you use to be able to take the trips in mid august right before pre-season. One every four years and to my knowledge every team took advantage of it. In 2008 they banned it and it was re-instated in 2013 for 2 trials. One being Williams men's Soccer and the other being maybe Wesleyan womens lax(not to sure how accurate that is). They re-introduced the trips but for some reason put a time frame on when they had to be taken. for mens and womens soccer it was either March break or after finals in May. Your example of a baseball team going in late August makes about zero sense, so as you can see another example of the presidents and AD's not knowing what the hell is going on.

In regards to the Amherst trip that is partially funded by Prince Albert 's good friend who played for Peter Gooding in 1982. I am sure the trip was first class and a late May trip while odd for soccer can only help get the guys motivated and in shape for the summer into pre-season. So YES an advantage

Thanks for the reply.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on August 04, 2014, 02:54:52 pm
nescac1: Take a look at Ohio Wesleyan men's soccer.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on August 04, 2014, 03:04:19 pm
Frank, a few other schools are certainly up there, did not mean to suggest that Williams was a clear second, by any means.  I'd say there is a top tier: Messiah, and then a closley-grouped second tier: in no particular order, Williams, Ohio Wesleyan, TCNJ, Wheaton (IL), Trinity (TX).  I believe that Williams has produced the most individual talent from that second tier, although Ohio Wesleyan has had the most team success (of course, some of the very best Williams teams were from right before the Ephs were permitted to participate in the NCAA tourney, in the 1988-1990 era).  But clearly, the top three from NESCAC (Williams, Midd, Amherst) are right there with the top three from any other conference, and NESCAC is deeper than most conferences, for sure. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on August 04, 2014, 08:25:48 pm
If judging based on past 5-7 years, I'd say Messiah, then Loras, then OWU.  Amherst and Williams are right there in the mix, although Amherst hurt by consecutive Elite 8 losses to Williams.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 05, 2014, 01:13:22 am
Certainly cannot leave Rutgers-Camden out of the discussion.  Those Jersey boys can play soccer.  Losing in the national final 2-1 in double OT.

As for strong conferences, I think you cannot overlook the CCIW.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 05, 2014, 01:26:57 am
Also it would be remiss to not include the CAC and NJAC as very strong D3 men's soccer conferences.   York College in the CAC is one team that has consistently given Messiah fits over the past several years.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on August 05, 2014, 07:42:25 am
I don't think it's fair to include Rutgers-Camden and Loras in the same category as schools like Wheaton(IL), Williams, Ohio Wesleyan, TCNJ, Trinity(TX) etc., because those schools have been major powers for decades, and all have won titles over the years, and Rutgers-Camden and Loras are relative newcomers to being powerhouses ... let's see them maintain their elite status for more than a few years (I'm especially skeptical for Rutgers-Camden's staying power, since they have been helped by an influx of D1 transfers, a strategy that may or may not be sustainable over the long term). 

I did include NJAC as an elite D3 conference, and I would certainly include CCIW (CAC is a different story, because they are more a mediocre conference that happens to have two elite programs at the top).  But the point is not to quibble over which OTHER conferences may or may not be included in the conversation -- the point is, you were the one who claimed, based on a single game against Messiah in the Final Four that NESCAC was not a power conference (and by implication, that Williams was not a power program).  That's just flat-out silly, and it seems like you have now conceded the point by grouping NESCAC with CCIW, NJAC, etc., where I think it clearly belongs.   
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: FourMoreYears on August 05, 2014, 08:24:28 am
Also it would be remiss to not include the CAC and NJAC as very strong D3 men's soccer conferences.   York College in the CAC is one team that has consistently given Messiah fits over the past several years.

The strength of a conference should be based on the entire conference, not just one or two teams at the top. It would be like moving ManU and Liverpool to the MLS and claiming it's a better league than the Premiere League.  I speak of no specific conference, only pointing out a logical approach to the discussion.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on August 05, 2014, 11:05:23 am
Wheaton(84, 97)
OWU (98, 11)
Messiah (A Few)
 
All of the above play with at least 2 stars on their chest and have been strong in the modern Era.

In order to be in the conversation, that much is required from any other squad wanting to make a claim.

In all fairness, Williams by the numbers and by the results are clearly the closest challenger as one more title (very possible) would also supply the requisite criteria.

Beyond that, I think that Loras has been Balling over the last decade, but need that championship to make it count.
Ditto for Amherst.

An extremely strong bias keeps me from analysing the St. Lawrence Saints.

The Jersey Boys have to dance a few more years to convince most people, but I am a believer.

There are many teams that are right there, but sadly have to Win it all to get their rightful due.
Brandies won it all in '76, and have been playing good soccer the last few years.
Could Stevens be the best team never to win a title? They are extremely good.
U of R, Vassar and Skidmore have been steadily building good teams, but are a few runs from making the jump from Regional to National Elite.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 05, 2014, 06:53:24 pm
That OWU team in 98 beat Williams 1-0. That was one of the ugliest wins I have ever seen. WILLIAMS dominated them and just could not score. They had solid athletes but did not deserve the title that year and therefore being on your top teams OF ALL TIME. NO WAY. Jay Martin Lane, what ego.give me a break.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on August 05, 2014, 10:02:25 pm
LaPaz, I think you're out on a limb on this one.  You're going to base your opinion on OWU on one game in 1998 and your negative perception of Martin?  Regardless of what you think of him, OWU is arguably the #1 program in history and certainly no worse than #3.  I don't know about '98, but at least in recent years they have played a very attractive, possession-oriented style and on the field look more like Messiah than any other D3.  Have you looked at OWU's historical record over a 30 year period? 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on August 05, 2014, 10:15:46 pm
OWU -- #1 in overall NCAA appearances (36?); 2 NCAA titles; 2 NCAA runner-up finishes; 8 Final Fours
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on August 06, 2014, 04:27:31 am
Why the antipathy toward Martin?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on August 06, 2014, 07:41:50 am
Williams '98 squad was CLASS. Trust me, I know how good they were!!! The fact is however, OWU were champs.
Also, anyone that could have beat that team (no matter how) deserved a title.
I was not saying who had the better individual team, but what programs can make a solid argument as being in a class by themselves while using objective criteria.
The most objective criteria is a Championship, plain and simple.
OWU has 2, no one relevant in the last 3 decades has more (except Messiah).

I have absolutely no affiliation or bias toward OWU, but as a classic poet once said "Game recognize game".
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on August 06, 2014, 09:07:41 am
Bill Parcells coined an epigram about the scoreboard.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 06, 2014, 06:46:19 pm
Ok...I thought your argument was actual teams. Indeed SLU of that year, the year before their national championship went to PK's with Williams and lost in a snowstorm. That '98 SLU team also could have won it all and maybe motivated them for '99. who knows

apathy toward Martin is I guess based on what I have heard in national circles for years. I agree he produces great teams year after year and is a great coach, but at least years ago he was known for his massive EGO as much for his masterful coaching.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on August 07, 2014, 03:50:47 am
If the possession of ego were a felony, think of the almost countless interesting and useful people who would end up behind bars - politicians, tycoons, sports and other entertainment figures for starters.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on August 07, 2014, 09:31:08 am
LaPaz, I think you're out on a limb on this one.  You're going to base your opinion on OWU on one game in 1998 and your negative perception of Martin?  Regardless of what you think of him, OWU is arguably the #1 program in history and certainly no worse than #3.  I don't know about '98, but at least in recent years they have played a very attractive, possession-oriented style and on the field look more like Messiah than any other D3.  Have you looked at OWU's historical record over a 30 year period?


1.  Messiah (603-94-34 since joining DIII in 81; 10 titles)
2.  OWU (40 consecutive winning seasons)
3.  Trinity
4.  Williams
5.  Wheaton
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on August 07, 2014, 09:36:56 am
1.  Amherst -- Too strong and motivation will be consistently high with bitterly disappointing ends to last 2 seasons
2.  Middlebury -- Strong young talent matured with team that was close to breaking through last year
3.  Tufts -- Very talented team will fluctuate between some strong results and a couple of letdown moments
4.  Williams -- Good team but luck will go the other way this year as pressure of Russo's swan song works against them (or they will win league and bow out early in NCAAs, unless of course they beat Brandeis and Amherst back-to-back for 3rd year in a row)
5.  Wesleyan -- Not quite as strong and will fight and claw to be in the mix for the last NESCAC NCAA bid
6.  Conn College -- Good enough to fight for mid-stable spot but still not strong enough to break through into top 3
7.  Bowdoin -- Rebuilding but still good enough for favorable results against the bottom 4
8.  Trinity -- Difficult year and a step back after nearly breaking through prior couple of years (basically Conn College and Trinity reversing traditional roles)
9.  Hamilton -- Most unknown and toughest to gauge and maybe most likely for modest upside surprise
10. Bates -- Not good, but slightly more determined than Colby to pull out a couple of results
11. Colby -- Nice kids but roster is weak and not much reason to expect improvement in first year after coaching legend moves on

In terms of teams who may spoil another NESCAC entry in the final four, watch out for SLU this year.  Also Rochester, Hobart, Brandeis, maybe Union, and my sleeper is Wheaton.

How many of the NESCAC teams do a Pre-pre-season (captains practices get together--no coaches only the players) before the actual sanctioned pre-season begins?  I know of two who do....just wondering if this is a common theme throughout the NESCAC and other D3's?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 07, 2014, 02:14:09 pm
ITS VERY COMMON....because of the shortened pre-seasons, and MIDD I believe got caught a couple years ago as players were on Facebook about it.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 07, 2014, 02:16:42 pm
never said ego was a crime, just not a fan of self-promoters and he is one. If you want to start a new thread for Martin, I will post EGO and then let you people gush on every other post and leave it at that
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on August 07, 2014, 02:32:16 pm
Don't know Martin and hold no brief for or against him. Consequently have nothing to say about him.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on August 07, 2014, 03:23:48 pm
Name a soccer coach who has won a national championship who does not possess an EGO or SHEGO (in the woman's game).
It takes supreme confidence to play our game well, and even more to manage supremely confident athletes.

I'm normally with you Lapaz, but not here. As a matter of fact.

One man's self confidence comes off to another as an ego.

In fact, i'm sure most of us have beens were criticized for having big ego's during our playing/coaching careers!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: MidwestAficionado on August 07, 2014, 04:45:05 pm
ITS VERY COMMON....because of the shortened pre-seasons, and MIDD I believe got caught a couple years ago as players were on Facebook about it.

And there is nothing illegal about it unless there is coach involvement... so unless Middlebury had coaches instructing or orchestrating these, not sure how they could get caught for voluntary, student organized workouts
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on August 08, 2014, 12:57:23 pm
ITS VERY COMMON....because of the shortened pre-seasons, and MIDD I believe got caught a couple years ago as players were on Facebook about it.

And there is nothing illegal about it unless there is coach involvement... so unless Middlebury had coaches instructing or orchestrating these, not sure how they could get caught for voluntary, student organized workouts

Given that a number of the NESCAC rosters are filled with players from around the country/world it would seem to be a difficult position to be in as a player who, (ie. for legitimate financial reasons or timing), could not attend these pre-pre-season captains practices/camps given the cost of flight/travel/accommodations/missing work just to get back to New England or timing of when the practices/camp is held.  They are just "wink wink" captains practices, but the coaches certainly know who is and who is not in attendance and knowing some/most of these coaches it would be a big negative not to attend, even for legitimate reasons.  Amazes me that NESCAC teams do this given the league's "mission statement"....understand why some teams/coaches would push the envelope for it (just like an arms race if they do it we must), but seems to fly in the face of what the league is supposed to be about.  It's pressure enough for the players having "so called voluntary" captains training for the entire 6 months of off season while your on campus, but to "strongly suggest" they should travel/pay for a pre-pre-season off campus must be a difficult decision/position to be in for some players/families.   
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on August 08, 2014, 01:17:00 pm
On the basketball side I've argued that the rule to start practice 2 weeks after the rest of the country does more harm than good.  Guys are still doing open gyms for those two weeks but instead of having coaching where you are often doing drills, taking breaks, etc. there is no one there to stop them from playing for 3+ hours if they choose.  Increases chances of injury and they don't do more studying because they are in the gym for the same amount of time or more than if they had practice.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on August 08, 2014, 02:13:03 pm
On the basketball side I've argued that the rule to start practice 2 weeks after the rest of the country does more harm than good.  Guys are still doing open gyms for those two weeks but instead of having coaching where you are often doing drills, taking breaks, etc. there is no one there to stop them from playing for 3+ hours if they choose.  Increases chances of injury and they don't do more studying because they are in the gym for the same amount of time or more than if they had practice.

Don't disagree regarding your basketball example (good example),  but at least it's on campus and during the school year.  The soccer pre-pre-season is somewhere off-campus and not during school year, thus a lot of pressure to put on the student athlete if they have to afford/fit in an extra trip to New England if they are not from this area.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on August 09, 2014, 03:39:29 pm
All NESCAC:  I think you are off a bit here.  The NESCAC preseason is so short (1 week this year) that the kids are just trying to get together for a bit more bonding and fitness before the first game.  The purpose is not for the coach to see who attends and who doesn't.  And few, if any, NESCAC coaches will make playing time decisions based upon who attends the pre-pre.  The best and fittest players are going to play the most once the season starts, regardless whether they attended pre-pre.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on August 11, 2014, 12:04:58 pm
All NESCAC:  I think you are off a bit here.  The NESCAC preseason is so short (1 week this year) that the kids are just trying to get together for a bit more bonding and fitness before the first game.  The purpose is not for the coach to see who attends and who doesn't.  And few, if any, NESCAC coaches will make playing time decisions based upon who attends the pre-pre.  The best and fittest players are going to play the most once the season starts, regardless whether they attended pre-pre.

Would like to believe you are correct ColbyUnion, and do agree that ultimately the "best and fittest players are going to play", however once a coach puts a "negative" mark next to a player's name (for whatever reason....even for not attending the pre-pre-season....ie)the player is put in the bucket of "you're not sacrificing for the TEAM"), then if all other factors are equal when comparing two players competing for the same position, but one could not attend the pre-pre-season "voluntary" workouts that could be the deciding factor. But there is pressure put on the players to attend the pre-pre-season.   Issue is no different then I  suppose being a Science major and having timing schedule trouble with labs and practice....publically the coach will say academics come first, but privately he's very upset because the student athlete had to miss or be late for practice due to academic conflict.  Just a way of life in the NESCAC's I suppose....if they had a typical pre-season of at least 2 full weeks then there would be no need for a pre-pre-season mini camp.  That said, most of the NESCAC coaches now do try to treat their programs more like D1, than treating them like the bulk of D3, yet the Coaches seem to forget that these student/athletes are not on any athletic scholarship.  It's a very interesting dynamic within the league now on the soccer side as so many of the teams recently (last 4or 5 years) have attempted to upgrade their soccer programs (coaches/facilities) to catch Williams/Amherst.  Good because there is some tremendous soccer now being played throughout the league and most, if not all, league games are highly competitive.  However, not so good because similar to D1 it's a year round commitment for most of these teams/players which was not necessarily the case for many of these teams 6+ years ago.  Of course the option of "not to play" is always there for the student/athlete.  Moving past this issue and looking forward to this coming 2014 season.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: MidwestAficionado on August 11, 2014, 01:41:09 pm
All NESCAC:  I think you are off a bit here.  The NESCAC preseason is so short (1 week this year) that the kids are just trying to get together for a bit more bonding and fitness before the first game.  The purpose is not for the coach to see who attends and who doesn't.  And few, if any, NESCAC coaches will make playing time decisions based upon who attends the pre-pre.  The best and fittest players are going to play the most once the season starts, regardless whether they attended pre-pre.

Would like to believe you are correct ColbyUnion, and do agree that ultimately the "best and fittest players are going to play", however once a coach puts a "negative" mark next to a player's name (for whatever reason....even for not attending the pre-pre-season....ie)the player is put in the bucket of "you're not sacrificing for the TEAM"), then if all other factors are equal when comparing two players competing for the same position, but one could not attend the pre-pre-season "voluntary" workouts that could be the deciding factor. But there is pressure put on the players to attend the pre-pre-season.   Issue is no different then I  suppose being a Science major and having timing schedule trouble with labs and practice....publically the coach will say academics come first, but privately he's very upset because the student athlete had to miss or be late for practice due to academic conflict.  Just a way of life in the NESCAC's I suppose....if they had a typical pre-season of at least 2 full weeks then there would be no need for a pre-pre-season mini camp.  That said, most of the NESCAC coaches now do try to treat their programs more like D1, than treating them like the bulk of D3, yet the Coaches seem to forget that these student/athletes are not on any athletic scholarship.  It's a very interesting dynamic within the league now on the soccer side as so many of the teams recently (last 4or 5 years) have attempted to upgrade their soccer programs (coaches/facilities) to catch Williams/Amherst.  Good because there is some tremendous soccer now being played throughout the league and most, if not all, league games are highly competitive.  However, not so good because similar to D1 it's a year round commitment for most of these teams/players which was not necessarily the case for many of these teams 6+ years ago.  Of course the option of "not to play" is always there for the student/athlete.  Moving past this issue and looking forward to this coming 2014 season.

This is very laden with assumptions and we know where those get us... if you are fit and can help the team win games, you're going to get on the field. Regardless of outside factors, pre-preseason attendance, what have you. Most D3 kids get 9-10 days of preseason before school starts. Many of these days are laden with orientation, meetings, exhibitions, etc. Its not like the NESCAC is singular in this issue of a very limited preseason.

I think it is great that the kids take the initiative to invest more time in their game than what is required of them. If they do the same with their career and family once they are done with college, they will be good citizens and have good lives. If they just settled for the bare minimum and then blamed other reasons for their lack of results, that would be a bad thing.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on August 11, 2014, 02:20:32 pm
Pre-season rankings out, Amherst 3, Williams 6, no one else in NESCAC earns a mention.  These rankings, though, generally closely correspond with how teams finished last year, so they are of limited value. 

http://www.nscaatv.com/rankings/3112/NCAADivisionIII/men/PreseasonPoll
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: MidwestAficionado on August 11, 2014, 03:34:05 pm
Pre-season rankings out, Amherst 3, Williams 6, no one else in NESCAC earns a mention.  These rankings, though, generally closely correspond with how teams finished last year, so they are of limited value.

Every preseason poll in every sport is useless... but I would rather have something being published than nothing.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on August 11, 2014, 03:40:56 pm
Pre-season rankings out, Amherst 3, Williams 6, no one else in NESCAC earns a mention.  These rankings, though, generally closely correspond with how teams finished last year, so they are of limited value. 

http://www.nscaatv.com/rankings/3112/NCAADivisionIII/men/PreseasonPoll

Agreed, but still even though based on the merit of last year, hard to argue against these pre-season-rankings in light of NESCAC league.  The two teams who should be ranked are and the rest of the NESCAC need to earn a way on.  Let's hope for the NESCAC League there are more than 2 teams in the Final 2014 rankings.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 12, 2014, 07:16:30 pm
I am not too familiar with NESCAC teams, but just questioning how strong of a conference it is with only two teams posting 10 or more wins in the 2013 campaign.  And also the conference's NCAA national tournament representative gets beat 4-0 and gets out shot 25-11 in the semi-finals.  I only see the numbers, but stats like that certainly raise questions about the real strength of the conference.  Again not too familiar with the teams in the conference, just looking at the stats.

I don't think it's fair to include Rutgers-Camden and Loras in the same category as schools like Wheaton(IL), Williams, Ohio Wesleyan, TCNJ, Trinity(TX) etc., because those schools have been major powers for decades, and all have won titles over the years, and Rutgers-Camden and Loras are relative newcomers to being powerhouses ... let's see them maintain their elite status for more than a few years (I'm especially skeptical for Rutgers-Camden's staying power, since they have been helped by an influx of D1 transfers, a strategy that may or may not be sustainable over the long term). 

I did include NJAC as an elite D3 conference, and I would certainly include CCIW (CAC is a different story, because they are more a mediocre conference that happens to have two elite programs at the top).  But the point is not to quibble over which OTHER conferences may or may not be included in the conversation -- the point is, you were the one who claimed, based on a single game against Messiah in the Final Four that NESCAC was not a power conference (and by implication, that Williams was not a power program).  That's just flat-out silly, and it seems like you have now conceded the point by grouping NESCAC with CCIW, NJAC, etc., where I think it clearly belongs.   

OK nescac1 lets look at the two quotes (or really one quote and one misquote)…

You said and I quote… "..the point is, you were the one who claimed, based on a single game against Messiah in the Final Four that NESCAC was not a power conference…" 

That's simply not true and not what I said (you can see my full quote above).  I used two pieces of real data to question the strength of NESCAC…

#1 -- Only two NESCAC teams posted 10 or more wins in the 2013 campaign.  Let's compare that to the CAC who you called a "mediocre conference".   Five CAC teams posted 12 or more wins in 2013.  These are real numbers, not my opinion.  If CAC is "mediocre", where does that leave NESCAC based on the data?
#2 -- The NESCAC NCAA tournament representative did get "pasted" 4-0 in the final 4.  We can all agree that's bad.  And yeah as you said in another post, Messiah did beat one other team in the final four by 4 goals one time a few years back.  So it's happened twice over the past several years.  That's not company I'd want to be in and not a stat I'd want to have to defend.

NESCAC may have some historical strength…but recent performance stats just aren't quite there.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on August 12, 2014, 11:46:13 pm
Given the limited schedule, maybe take a look at nescac win percentage, d3sw.  It is a very strong conference. However, it is not a very strong region, outside of the nescac.  I think York and Salisbury are currently there with Williams and Amherst, but the south is one of the toughest regions now that the njac has shifted there.

Nescac1, I would certainly classify loras as a powerhouse just behind historic programs; messiah, owu, trinity, Wheaton, Williams. They consistently play a difficult out of conference schedule on top of a demanding league schedule.   Camden could be on its way, as they too put up some fine seasons playing difficult schedules year in year out.  Eliminating cupcake games as much as possible is a model that these two programs seem to embrace.   I guess if you want to be the best, you have to play the best teams out there. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on August 13, 2014, 07:08:07 am
Once again, D3soccerwatcher, your arguments are just silly, because you ignore inconvenient facts and look at a tiny snapshot in time (which again, is why I don't put Loras and Rutgers Camden up among the top D3 soccer powers -- lots of teams have had amazing three years runs -- but can they do it for 10-20 years, is the question.  Would also help if they won a title). 

You used two isolated data points to make a sweeping conclusion.  And I don't think you understand the meaning of "true" because one of those two data points was, indeed, the margin of victory in a single game involving Messiah.  You keep contradicting yourself.  Is this data point meaningful, or is it not?  If it's not, then you are down to just one.  But yes, you ABSOLUTELY used performance in a single game as FIFTY PERCENT of the support for your flimsy argument, which has been thoroughly debunked.  Again, I just gave one example, but Messiah has absolutely trounced many, many REALLY good teams in Final Four games.   To question the strength of a conference as a whole based on that game is silly.  Since you seem focused inordinately on single data points, I found it interesting that you ignored this data point: that NESCAC is the ONLY conference beyond Messiah's to produce a national champion over the past eight years or so.  I guess Midd's title just doesn't count for you, ehhh?  And has also produced several other final four squads during that time frame. 

Your ONLY other data point supporting your argument is NESCAC's record in a SINGLE year, a year which wasn't the best year for NESCAC (but even in a relative down year, STILL produced two elite 8 and one final four squads!!!).  That is equally futile.   If you look at previous years, NESCAC's won-loss record is typically much better.  Look at Amherst's won-loss record over the past five years, or Williams' won-loss record over the past 20 or so -- both are among the very best in D3.  You also ignore the fact that NESCAC teams play fewer games so, yeah, of course, they are going to have fewer 10-win teams.  Finally, the fact that NESCAC is a much deeper and more balanced conference than most in Division 3 affects W-L records -- obviously, it's easier to post gaudy won-loss records when you play in a very top-heavy conference.  NESCAC typically has at least 5-6 real quality squads, many of whom beat other NESCAC teams that go on to play in or even win Final Fours. 

If you want to make a serious argument, at the very least you have to look to NESCAC's historical performance in NCAA tourney play (which includes two national titles, more than all but a small handful of conferences) and to NESCAC's historical won-loss PERCENTAGE out of conference (if NESCAC teams are beating other NESCAC teams, that doesn't help your argument in the least), which is extraordinarily high.  Your argument is, frankly, just demonstrably false. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on August 13, 2014, 07:30:52 am
Oh, and by the way, NESCAC aggregate out-of-conference record in recent years:

2013: 44-14-5
2012: 46-14-8
2011: 49-15-2

So, yeah, NESCAC is a power conference. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: FourMoreYears on August 13, 2014, 09:26:24 am
What stands out to me with the NESCAC is the depth of quality teams in the conference.   

In the regular season, it's not unusual to see a team that finishes 8th or 9th in the standings knock off a team that finishes 1st or 2nd.

Last year, for example, Trinity finished 9th in the conference yet beat a NCAA Final Four team (Williams) in the regular season.
This is not to suggest that Trinity was the better team, they obviously were not, but the depth and quality of teams in the conference is pretty good, which is how a CONFERENCE should be measured.

And to revisit the "10 wins" argument against ... the NESCAC team only played 14 games last year (it will be 15 this year) ... so given that 10 of the 14 were in-conference, it's not a valid argument to compare total wins to other conferences that (a) play more games and (b) are not as strong top to bottom.

In my opinion at least. :-)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on August 13, 2014, 01:30:09 pm
Oh, and by the way, NESCAC aggregate out-of-conference record in recent years:

2013: 44-14-5
2012: 46-14-8
2011: 49-15-2

So, yeah, NESCAC is a power conference.

Agreed---look at the out of conference winning %---if you add an 18 to 20 game schedule (with 8 or 10 non-league games) like most other D3 teams then you would have a number of NESCAC teams with 13 and 14 regular season win seasons---my guess even last year that would have been 4 or 5.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: KnightFalcon on August 13, 2014, 10:30:31 pm
Once again, D3soccerwatcher, your arguments are just silly, because you ignore inconvenient facts and look at a tiny snapshot in time (which again, is why I don't put Loras and Rutgers Camden up among the top D3 soccer powers -- lots of teams have had amazing three years runs -- but can they do it for 10-20 years, is the question.  Would also help if they won a title). 

You used two isolated data points to make a sweeping conclusion.  And I don't think you understand the meaning of "true" because one of those two data points was, indeed, the margin of victory in a single game involving Messiah.  You keep contradicting yourself.  Is this data point meaningful, or is it not?  If it's not, then you are down to just one.  But yes, you ABSOLUTELY used performance in a single game as FIFTY PERCENT of the support for your flimsy argument, which has been thoroughly debunked.  Again, I just gave one example, but Messiah has absolutely trounced many, many REALLY good teams in Final Four games.   To question the strength of a conference as a whole based on that game is silly.  Since you seem focused inordinately on single data points, I found it interesting that you ignored this data point: that NESCAC is the ONLY conference beyond Messiah's to produce a national champion over the past eight years or so.  I guess Midd's title just doesn't count for you, ehhh?  And has also produced several other final four squads during that time frame. 

Your ONLY other data point supporting your argument is NESCAC's record in a SINGLE year, a year which wasn't the best year for NESCAC (but even in a relative down year, STILL produced two elite 8 and one final four squads!!!).  That is equally futile.   If you look at previous years, NESCAC's won-loss record is typically much better.  Look at Amherst's won-loss record over the past five years, or Williams' won-loss record over the past 20 or so -- both are among the very best in D3.  You also ignore the fact that NESCAC teams play fewer games so, yeah, of course, they are going to have fewer 10-win teams.  Finally, the fact that NESCAC is a much deeper and more balanced conference than most in Division 3 affects W-L records -- obviously, it's easier to post gaudy won-loss records when you play in a very top-heavy conference.  NESCAC typically has at least 5-6 real quality squads, many of whom beat other NESCAC teams that go on to play in or even win Final Fours. 

If you want to make a serious argument, at the very least you have to look to NESCAC's historical performance in NCAA tourney play (which includes two national titles, more than all but a small handful of conferences) and to NESCAC's historical won-loss PERCENTAGE out of conference (if NESCAC teams are beating other NESCAC teams, that doesn't help your argument in the least), which is extraordinarily high.  Your argument is, frankly, just demonstrably false.

I admire your passionate defense of NESCAC, but didn't OWU from NCAC win it all in 2011?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on August 14, 2014, 04:55:37 am
The strength of OWU's men's soccer history is much more extensive and greater than a mere 2011 championship.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on August 14, 2014, 06:36:15 am
My bad omitting OWU, but that doesn't diminish the underlying point: by whatever metric you choose to apply, NESCAC is among the power conferences of D3 soccer.  That is not any sort of controversial statement, it's just a fact. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on August 14, 2014, 09:17:26 am

Is there a reason behind NESCAC not putting out a preseason coaches poll or am I not finding this online somewhere?   Don't all the conferences do this? 

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on August 14, 2014, 09:51:36 am
Such polls are not NESCAC's style - too superficial, too aggressive, too emphatic, too immodest, too self-congratulatory.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on August 14, 2014, 10:14:23 am
Such polls are not NESCAC's style - too superficial, too aggressive, too emphatic, too immodest, too self-congratulatory.


Also, too athletically oriented which would rub too many in the NESCAC world the wrong way.  I'd say some of the previous posters 2014 pre-season NESCAC polls would be pretty accurate for what an actual league poll would be.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 14, 2014, 06:58:51 pm
Oh, and by the way, NESCAC aggregate out-of-conference record in recent years:

2013: 44-14-5
2012: 46-14-8
2011: 49-15-2

So, yeah, NESCAC is a power conference. 

Question is who are they playing out of conference?  Wonder it there are many truly elite teams from other conferences like Rutgers-Camden (NJAC), Messiah (MAC), Wheaton (CCIW), or York (CAC) in these non-conference games.  You might be able to point to some good teams but my guess is the truly elite teams do not consistently make this non-conference list for NESCAC.  I may be wrong, but I think it's a question worth exploring.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CAC2424 on August 14, 2014, 10:07:09 pm
Hold on one second...

How about who teams play IN their conference? Arcadia, Lycoming and Widener aren't exactly Williams, Amherst and Middlebury. 

The top NESCAC teams can lose on any given day to the bottom NESCAC team.  This isn't true for any of the conferences listed above.

Of course teams should schedule harder out of conference if they aren't challenged every Sunday.  York had 6 cupcakes on their schedule last year...Messiah more than that...RCU played two schools named Cairn and Eastern Mennonaite, neither of which I've ever heard of.  Nothing wrong with any of this but it's not all about non-conferene or conference but rather the whole schedule as a whole. 

 

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 14, 2014, 10:21:08 pm
How can you possibly take this position when last year's D3 NCAA National Champion got an at-large tournament bid because they didn't even win their conference.  That's proof that you are kidding yourself if you think NESCAC is the only conference where any team in the conference can beat the other.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 14, 2014, 10:30:03 pm
If by "cupcake" games you mean games won by 4 or more goals - Messiah had 7 of them.  One of them against the NESCAC team they faced.  So what's you point?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Ryan Harmanis on August 15, 2014, 12:22:43 am
My two cents - coming from an OWU alum so I'll try to tone down any bias:

The NESCAC setup cuts both ways, and it's probably why they rarely play big non-conference opponents.  The risk of hurting the NCAA profile isn't worth the reward.  Then again, four NESCAC teams get bids most years, so in many ways it's a positive.  You're never going to see something like DePauw last year happen to a NESCAC team.  Heck, Williams was 11-6 with zero wins/draws against tournament teams and got in.

It really depends on how you view conference strength.  Yes, Middlebury and OWU are the only non-Messiah winners in the last 10 years, but how much weight do you put on that?  The NCAC has only been strong 2-3 times in the past decade, and even though Messiah always wins their conference hasn't had another national threat in ages. 

I get the depth argument, but it's hard to compare teams 5-10 from conferences with no crossover.  From what I've seen on here and heard around the landscape, the real issue is this: it's a common refrain from NESCAC supporters that they send teams - multiple teams, not just a single program (Calvin, Loras, OWU, Trinity) to the Final Four regularly.  The complaint many others have - true or not - is that the "NESCAC" section of the NCAA bracket has often been weaker than the others. 

Taking last year as an example, the distribution of the top 4 NCAA-ranked teams from each region and the D3soccer.com Top 25: 

Williams' Section
Regional Rankings (5): #1-4 from New England, one other #2.
D3soccer.com (3): #5, #15, #20.

Camden
Regional Rankings (8): two #1s, two #2s, two #3s, two #4s.
D3soccer.com (6): #2, #4, #7, #10, #11, #13.

Messiah
Regional Rankings (8): three #1s, one #2, two #3s, two #4s.
D3soccer.com (7): #1, #3, #9, #12, #14, #19, #22.
 
Loras
Regional Rankings (6): two #1s, two #2s, one #3, one #4.
D3soccer.com (6): #6, #8, #16, #23, #24, #25.

Every other section had at least two regional #1s and twice as many top-25 teams.  Take that for what it's worth, but it's the most objective we can get at the D3 level.

Personally, I think the big difference comes from playing mostly other New England teams and avoiding heavy hitters from other regions in the tournament.  The NESCAC schools rarely have to worry about seeing any of the perennial top teams from other regions before the Final Four.  I come down somewhere in between.  I think the NESCAC gets in extra teams regularly almost solely on conference reputation, and I think they've had some easier NCAA draws. 

Then again, I know firsthand an "easy" draw doesn't get you to the Final Four, so perhaps the NESCAC deserves a little more credit.  One thing I would suggest is that the general NESCAC style of play - big, physical, relatively direct - is often more effective in the NCAA tournament.  The weather plays a role, teams are tight defensively, and it turns every game into a style most NESCAC teams are prepared to play.  Williams, which (from the games I've watched) does not play that style, is well-suited to get by the New England teams because they spend all season playing their style against Amherst's. 

As for getting thumped by Messiah, it happens.  The biggest issue for Williams is they play an open style, and if you go back-and-forth like that with a more talented team it rarely ends well.  There's a reason Messiah struggled most with Kenyon last year; they're big and physical and they took Messiah out of their game.  Williams played on Messiah's terms, hence the result.  The exact same thing happened to Ohio Northern in the 2012 final - they played a really attacking 4-3-3 and Messiah leveled them. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 15, 2014, 01:44:21 am
Harmanis, where have you been?  Yours is some of the best commentary I've seen on this thread. Non-emotional and fact based. Love it. Agree 100% when you try to beat Messiah at their own game you probably are not going to like the result as Williams found out. You are very correct about Kenyon. I watched them beat Wheaton online and then traveled to Messiah to see them play live there. Kenyon played big and physical and that matched up well against the pure game that Messiah always plays. Same held true for Rutgers-Camden. They brought that rough and tumble Jersey soccer to the final and took Messiah into double OT.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CAC2424 on August 15, 2014, 08:16:34 am
Last year 9th place NESCAC team spent time in the D3Soccer Top 25. 

In total, 8 NESCAC teams were ranked or "received votes" (the 7th place NESCAC team was "receiving votes" as late as mid October) at some point in 2013.

The Connecticut College Camels came in 7th in the NESCAC last year...if there was a tournament for 7th place in every conference they's have dominated like Germany.

Just for the record-Williams and Amherst aren't my "cup of tea" so none of my commentary above is meant to stick up for either of them.  And for the record I have no idea why anyone says Williams plays this open style of soccer.  It's a running joke in our locker room that people on these boards say that-might have been like that in the 90's but not recently and definitely not in the past four years.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 15, 2014, 09:04:35 am
Teams come and go out of the Top 25 throughout the season. What matters is where are they at the end. I'm betting that there will be an NJAC team and MAC team in the Final 4.  If an NESCAC team makes it that far this year, let's hope they fair better then they did last year when they finally have to face one of the big boys...because I like to watch good competitive D3 soccer just as much as anyone.  The top team or two in NESCAC certainly has the capability to compete at that level if they have the right game plan.  Time will tell.  Looking forward to watching great D3 soccer starting in just a few weeks.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: FourMoreYears on August 15, 2014, 09:09:52 am
The Connecticut College Camels came in 7th in the NESCAC last year...if there was a tournament for 7th place in every conference they's have dominated like Germany.

There are times I read something and think: "I wish I had written that!  Or even THOUGHT of that!" 
I'm not an expert by any means, but that sums it up for me.

Given geographical limitations and the reluctance of the NESCAC to expand the number of games played, this subject will continue to be a lively debate topic.  All in good fun, and all very enjoyable.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on August 15, 2014, 09:29:45 am
The Connecticut College Camels came in 7th in the NESCAC last year...if there was a tournament for 7th place in every conference they's have dominated like Germany.

There are times I read something and think: "I wish I had written that!  Or even THOUGHT of that!" 
I'm not an expert by any means, but that sums it up for me.

Given geographical limitations and the reluctance of the NESCAC to expand the number of games played, this subject will continue to be a lively debate topic.  All in good fun, and all very enjoyable.

Good "outside of the box" comment regarding Conn College last year---they tied Amherst and lost extremely close one to Williams as the #7 conference team.  Earlier poster RH makes a very good point regarding the NESCAC out of conference schedule.  Given only a 14/15 game regular season schedule and the weekly conference games which could go either way (see team #7 above vs the annual top 2)  NESCAC teams are not going to travel far or schedule another top #20 team unless they are in New England.   Loading up their 5 non-conference games with other top 20 non-New England teams just isn't going to happen as it could possibly severely hamper all the NESCAC teams from a possible NCAA bid.  If that schedule  were expanded to 18 or 20 regular season games, then such travel and games would likely occur as another loss or two could be OK, but expansion beyond 15 regular season games in  the NESCAC is not going to happen any time soon.  Good discussion.  Season is right around the corner.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on August 15, 2014, 09:49:09 am
Hold on one second...

How about who teams play IN their conference? Arcadia, Lycoming and Widener aren't exactly Williams, Amherst and Middlebury. 

The top NESCAC teams can lose on any given day to the bottom NESCAC team.  This isn't true for any of the conferences listed above.

Of course teams should schedule harder out of conference if they aren't challenged every Sunday.  York had 6 cupcakes on their schedule last year...Messiah more than that...RCU played two schools named Cairn and Eastern Mennonaite, neither of which I've ever heard of.  Nothing wrong with any of this but it's not all about non-conferene or conference but rather the whole schedule as a whole. 

 

Amherst played NEC, Husson, and Curry so lets not talk about cupcakes here.   It's hard to gauge how good the NESCAC is because the out-of-conference games are typically against in-region teams from the weak New England region.   Atleast Williams played two decent out of region teams in that of RPI and Skidmore this year. 


Not sure how the scheduling works, but when you have to put 8-10 non conference games on the slate, you may run into mid-tier teams that don't want to play you (hence EMU and Cairn {formerly Philly Bible}).   Playing such teams will lower the OWP and in-turn, the SOS.   NESCAC truly has the advantage of only having to schedule 4 out-of-conference games (in a region that has 76 teams), regardless of how strong the conference just may be.    When you say 9th place Trinity had a positive result against a top team in the NESCAC, the NJAC is just the same:

Last place Kean beat sweet 16 Kenyon.
8th place Ramapo lost to RPI 2-1 (3rd place Williams also lost to RPI 3-2)
7th place Rowan lost to Brandeis 2-1  (Brandeis lost to Williams 2-0)
Middle of the pack TCNJ beat MSU, tied Camden, and also Stevens Tech.
3rd place Newark had a 10 minute meltdown vs Roger Williams in the tourney.

Go back to 2011 when Camden was predicted to finish 7th in the NJAC; Beat #1 Wesleyan, and then beat a Babson team that had a 20 game unbeaten streak before falling to a good side in that of Oneonta St in the Elite 8.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 15, 2014, 10:02:12 am
Why does NESCAC play so few games?  I understand that fewer games means, fresher, more rested, less injured team when going into the playoffs.  Other than that what is the advantage of fewer games?  Is it a financial thing?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on August 15, 2014, 10:03:37 am
York may have had cupcakes, but they still scheduled and beat Messiah during the season.   Also played Salisbury and CNU twice.  Came back and beat a very good side in that of Stevens Tech in the tourney...  If you watched the live feed, York totally dominated the 2nd half at Stevens.

York played a great game at Camden (a team who rarely loses at home).  Camden hit two bombs in the first half and a fluke goal early in 2nd half to put the game out of reach.   First goal was about 35 yds out lower side panel.  Second goal was one of the best I've seen all year when Auleta hit a half volley rip from just outside the box.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 15, 2014, 10:11:02 am
Agree York's overall schedule is legit.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on August 15, 2014, 10:24:03 am
Camden has arguably the hardest in the nation, that is line with Loras this year:

#nocupcakes.   Here's to hoping they both make it to the final 4 again, as they will certainly be battle tested.

CAMDEN
F&M             17-4-2   
VWU            16-5-1 
Cabrini        10-7-4
Drew          11-4-5
Susqu         13-6-1 
Eastern      14-4-1
Lynchburg  11-6-2
CNU            13-5-2
Haverford   11-5-2
Swat           12-5-2 
                 128-51 -22     69.2%
----------------------------------------

LORAS

UW-W           14-6-1
Williamette   10-6-3
Carroll          13-4-2
Carleton       15-3-3
UST               10-4-4
St. Olaf          14-4-1
St. John           9-7-3
UofChicago      9-6-2
UWO             15-2-4
UWP               7-9-3
                  116-51-26     66.8%
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: FourMoreYears on August 15, 2014, 10:50:44 am
Why does NESCAC play so few games?  I understand that fewer games means, fresher, more rested, less injured team when going into the playoffs.  Other than that what is the advantage of fewer games?  Is it a financial thing?

Trust me, it's not a strategy to do better in the playoffs.

In my opinion, it's an institutional bias against athletics by the part of the NESCAC college Presidents, who worry that they won't been seen as strong academic schools should athletics do too well.  They want to be seen as the "Little Ivys".  For example, the NESCAC football teams only play 8 games (which is crazy because that means they don't even play every team every year which they could by adding a 9th game!) and are not allowed to compete in the D3 playoffs.  That's changing slowly, but it is most definitely about managing the perceived "brand" and nothing to do with trying to gain a competitive advantage. 

Oh, and I think the NESCAC Presidents are wrong.  They could have their cake and eat it too.  They just prefer to nibble on the hummus and roasted veggie plate.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on August 15, 2014, 11:38:47 am
Why does NESCAC play so few games?  I understand that fewer games means, fresher, more rested, less injured team when going into the playoffs.  Other than that what is the advantage of fewer games?  Is it a financial thing?

Trust me, it's not a strategy to do better in the playoffs.

In my opinion, it's an institutional bias against athletics by the part of the NESCAC college Presidents, who worry that they won't been seen as strong academic schools should athletics do too well.  They want to be seen as the "Little Ivys".  For example, the NESCAC football teams only play 8 games (which is crazy because that means they don't even play every team every year which they could by adding a 9th game!) and are not allowed to compete in the D3 playoffs.  That's changing slowly, but it is most definitely about managing the perceived "brand" and nothing to do with trying to gain a competitive advantage. 

Oh, and I think the NESCAC Presidents are wrong.  They could have their cake and eat it too.  They just prefer to nibble on the hummus and roasted veggie plate.


Spot on....goes back 40+ years.  The football issue (which is just mindboggling not to add a 9th game) perfectly illustrates the inflexibility of the League/Presidents as they "protect the brand". 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on August 15, 2014, 12:21:42 pm
Good to see everyone getting revved up as kids head back for preseason and games jsut 2 weeks away.

The NESCAC historically and currently is one of the top conferences.  Maybe what has changed is that they are not necessarily considered the #1 conference anymore, or at least without debate. but they surely are among the top 3-4.  Some of the criticisms in this thread recently could be directed at the UAA as well (another top conference).  They do tend to get some easy 1st round games, but there are other quality programs that end up in their region (SLU, Wheaton, Babson, Hobart, now Gordon, etc).  Would love to see Williams and Amherst put in different regions as well.

The stance of the NESCAC Presidents is interesting to me, as on the other hand the schools seem to take great pride in their lofty finishes in the overall sports race (Learfield Cup or whatever that is), and most or all of the NESCACs are known for having very athletic (albeit very bright) student bodies).  I think we discussed this last year.  Would be nice to see home and away series between NESCACs and some Centennial or NJAC or NCAC teams.

One comment on the size issue regarding Messiah.  They were huge.  Very skilled and lovely to watch but Wood, Payne, Robbins, etc are physically imposing players and some of the others are very solidly built.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on August 15, 2014, 01:33:10 pm

 They just prefer to nibble on the hummus and roasted veggie plate.  CLASSIC.

Messiah will almost always be a contender for the title.  At this point, in that conference, they will be tournament bound year in and year out.  When you have your big time guys only playing 55-65 minutes a game, it certainly helps for deeper postseason runs.  It also gives the young guns a chance to get some playing time and improve under the system in place.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 15, 2014, 09:33:57 pm
Don't forget that Messiah did not win their conference last year.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on August 15, 2014, 10:11:29 pm
D3SW, that last point has got to be your weakest.  Messiah DID win the regular season, and they lost in their tournament in a fluky game where they outshot Lycoming something like 50 to 3 and lost in PKs.  You can't make a case based on that their conference is as tough or that Lycoming would beat Williams or any top-half NESCAC except in a similarly fluky manner.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on August 15, 2014, 10:12:19 pm
And don't forget that Williams made two straight final fours in years in which Amherst dominated NESCAC.   This whole argument started with a claim that NESCAC is not a power conference. I think that's been put to rest.  Unless someone can name, say, five better conferences, and support that claim. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on August 15, 2014, 11:44:16 pm
Power conference or not, NESCAC prefers, and foreseeably in the future will continue to prefer, whatever it is doing, and nothing said here or elsewhere on the street will influence NESCAC to make any change.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 16, 2014, 12:34:08 am
Messiah did lose in the Conf tournament and relied on an at-large bid to get into the national tournament (I didn't place any value judgement on it like calling it "flukey", I just stated the fact).  By the way, SOG where 7-2 in the Conf final.  Lycoming gave themselves a chance to win for the simple fact that they have learned how to defend Messiah, unlike many others who have been unable to figure that out. 

This whole power conf discussion, while interesting at times, really doesn't amount to much in the end.  If you are a national caliber team you will emerge, no matter what conf you are in.  If you can't emerge then maybe you're not quite national caliber.  It really gets down to the best teams in the nation no matter where you find them or what conference they happen to be in. 

As for NESCAC - I truly have respect for your top teams as they have demonstrated over time that they are long-term quality teams - I'm sure that would be true no matter what conf they were in.  I hope to see a few NASCAC teams make some runs this year - as they frequently do. 

As we enter the season I'll be watching for the best teams to emerge - and I'll be following those teams wherever I find them.  All the best for success and particularly for safety and injury free seasons for all the terrific D3 players who make all our "rantings and ravings" possible on this site.  Enjoy the season…and may the best teams win.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 16, 2014, 11:24:27 am
DAMN people your blowing up this board with the never ending crap about who's conference is best. START A NEW THREAD
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 16, 2014, 04:04:20 pm
DAMN people your blowing up this board with the never ending crap about who's conference is best. START A NEW THREAD

LaPaz, you obviously have problems with any words in the english language longer than four letters.  The four letter foul language is completely out of bounds on this site (hopefully you know that), and beyond that it's offensive.  Also you used two more four letter words (you seem to like those) when you should have used five letter words…your versus you're and who's versus whose.  So please watch the four letter stuff and let's keep it civil.  Good luck with the upcoming season.  If one of your NESCAC teams emerges as a top national D3 team, and I hope they do, I'll certainly be watching.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: D3soccerwatcher on August 16, 2014, 04:40:03 pm
D3SW, that last point has got to be your weakest.  Messiah DID win the regular season, and they lost in their tournament in a fluky game where they outshot Lycoming something like 50 to 3 and lost in PKs.  You can't make a case based on that their conference is as tough or that Lycoming would beat Williams or any top-half NESCAC except in a similarly fluky manner.

NCAC New England - I think you make a good point and I wanted to respond to your question before I get off this thread.

Lycoming played Messiah twice last year - lost 2-1 and won in PK's.  Williams played Messiah once - lost 4-0.  That might be at least the basis of a case for Lycoming vs NESCAC teams.  Unless we think Lycoming could completely "fluke" it's way through 2 full games and two full overtime periods versus Messiah - that seems like it would be almost be impossible to do.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 16, 2014, 04:48:31 pm
d3socecerwatcher...HERES another four letter word BLOW me. sick of these right wing bible thumping fools
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on August 16, 2014, 04:56:23 pm
D3SW, your comeback on LaPaz impresses as juvenile through and through.  There was no really bad language there, and I'm sure LaPaz can handle himself in a grammar battle quite well.

Are you suggesting that Lycoming would have won the NESCAC last year?  What was Lycoming's record?  Your use of data and the inferences you make are specious to say the least.

Have you ever seen one of those result trees that "prove" Wooster would beat Alabama in football because Wooster beat someone who beat someone who beat who beat someone who beat someone, who then beat Alabama, so that Wooster>Alabama?  That's what your logic reminds me of.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: KnightFalcon on August 17, 2014, 05:24:09 pm
No way Lycoming does better in NESCAC than middle of the pack. They had a monster finish to their season last year - congrats to them - and now have to live up to those expectations this season. Ask Neumann how tough that was after beating Messiah in OT using a similar bunker approach in 2011. That makes for a couple of interesting match ups this year as Messiah hosts both teams in 2014 for the first time since those upsets.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CAC2424 on August 17, 2014, 06:27:32 pm
I don't think Lycoming makes the NESCAC playoffs.  Remember the 7th and 8th place team in the conference both tied Amherst who had a 40 game unbeaten streak. 

Enough about the 4-0 score against Williams.  Using one game's score as a reference point doesn't work in sports.  Brazil lost 7-1 to Germany but the US lost 1-0. Does that prove that the US is CLEARLY better than Brazil? Of course not.  Are they even in same class as Brazil? Of course not. 

Messiah was clearly "on" that night, were the better team, and won. Nothing more to see here.  Please move on to your own threads.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on August 18, 2014, 10:16:43 am
"Remember the 7th and 8th place team in the conference both tied Amherst who had a 40 game unbeaten streak"
You're using the same "one night" statement to refute d3sw, and one games score as a reference point for Lycoming to not make the NESCAC postseason (this doesn't work in sports, as you have already mentioned).   Well anyways, that "second night" Hamilton played Amherst, they lost 4-1.    Lycoming lost to Messiah 2-1 earlier in season too, but also got waxed by Camden 4-0.  Just a matter of teams playing super conserative vs. straight up.

Sure, the NESCAC is a power conference, but Lycoming still played a fairly strong out-of-conference schedule;  York (L 0-1), Rochester (L 0-2), Susqu.  York and Rochester are teams that are on or near the same level as Amherst, Williams, and definitely on the same level as a team like Wesleyan...

Remember that Lycoming tied Messiah who at one point had a 33 game unbeaten streak before falling to York in 2013, and could very well be at 51 game unbeaten streak.


My opinion is that Lycoming would be in a 3 team race for the 7th and 8th spots...  much like the NJAC is a three team race for that 6th and final playoff spot.



Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on August 18, 2014, 01:13:14 pm
"Remember the 7th and 8th place team in the conference both tied Amherst who had a 40 game unbeaten streak"
You're using the same "one night" statement to refute d3sw, and one games score as a reference point for Lycoming to not make the NESCAC postseason (this doesn't work in sports, as you have already mentioned).   Well anyways, that "second night" Hamilton played Amherst, they lost 4-1.    Lycoming lost to Messiah 2-1 earlier in season too, but also got waxed by Camden 4-0.  Just a matter of teams playing super conserative vs. straight up.

Sure, the NESCAC is a power conference, but Lycoming still played a fairly strong out-of-conference schedule;  York (L 0-1), Rochester (L 0-2), Susqu.  York and Rochester are teams that are on or near the same level as Amherst, Williams, and definitely on the same level as a team like Wesleyan...

Remember that Lycoming tied Messiah who at one point had a 33 game unbeaten streak before falling to York in 2013, and could very well be at 51 game unbeaten streak.


My opinion is that Lycoming would be in a 3 team race for the 7th and 8th spots...  much like the NJAC is a three team race for that 6th and final playoff spot.

Using the "one game example" can lead to unrealistic projections, but remember the #8 team in NESCAC last year Hamilton not only tied Amherst (#1), they also beat Wesleyan (#2 regular season), and also beat Williams (#3 regular season).  So while it's still a somewhat "fuzzy" comparison, the league is pretty tough top to bottom and most  certainly #'s #1 through #8.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on August 18, 2014, 01:37:18 pm
Hamilton has always been a historically good squad who would compete for a tourney spot in the Liberty League each year.
The problem for Hamilton is that they went to a very good league at the very moment their program was rebuilding after  afew strong years.
Hamilton has the ability to beat anyone in the Conference I believe. They just have not had the consistency to be a top 4 in NESCAC.
I thnk that in a season or two they will be right there competing once again for post season play.

The last 5-7 years in D3 soccer, good teams have become much better, and mediocracy is punished much more than before.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 19, 2014, 10:37:15 am
Hamilton will never be able to compete in Nescac for a top 4 just because of the severe travel. They had their best team last year and were very average in conference. They had a great home record with some impressive results but two trips to Maine a trip to Connecticut and Boston or Central Mass ever year will wear a team down.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on August 19, 2014, 01:38:19 pm
We shall see.
I think Vassar faces the same challenge in the LL, but seem to make it work.
A very good point on the trouble teams have when they travel though.

I just think this program is too well coached to be perenial bottom feeders and wiill compete.

The good news is, we do not have towait that long to see.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on August 20, 2014, 04:29:32 pm
We shall see.
I think Vassar faces the same challenge in the LL, but seem to make it work.
A very good point on the trouble teams have when they travel though.

I just think this program is too well coached to be perenial bottom feeders and wiill compete.

The good news is, we do not have towait that long to see.

The difficulty of far travel away games runs through the entire league and is not limited to Hamilton as there are many 3 hour + destination bus rides.  On a different topic, I am still amazed the NESCAC continues to schedule at least one weekend (and sometime 2) per season with back to back regular season games on Sat/Sun given the physical toll a game takes, let alone back to back games on consecutive days.  For  a League of supposedly enlightened minds this scheduling trend is pretty barbaric in terms of player safety given the time necessary to recover from a match before being thrown into the next one.  I've got to believe some serious pulls and injuries can result from the second game given the fatigue from game 1.  In a league which is know for its very physical style of play I am very surprised to see this scheduling continuing.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 20, 2014, 07:01:34 pm
Hamilton's travel is not matched by anyone else. 9 hours from Hamilton to Colby and Bates. 8 hours to Bowdoin, another 5-6 hours to Conn, Tufts, Trinity etc etc. Everyone else in the league has close competition to go with maybe a very long trip once or twice during the season.

The scheduling has to continue the way it is. You need to squeeze 15 games into 60 days. Thats a game every 4 days. Plus the back to backs get you ready for the NCAA's and Nescac tourney.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on August 20, 2014, 09:10:26 pm
Hamilton's travel is not matched by anyone else. 9 hours from Hamilton to Colby and Bates. 8 hours to Bowdoin, another 5-6 hours to Conn, Tufts, Trinity etc etc. Everyone else in the league has close competition to go with maybe a very long trip once or twice during the season.

The scheduling has to continue the way it is. You need to squeeze 15 games into 60 days. Thats a game every 4 days. Plus the back to backs get you ready for the NCAA's and Nescac tourney.

Don't disagree that Hamilton is the toughest place to travel to or from. Regarding the schedule there are a few weeks. Which don't have a weekday game. Why not take those back to back and put one in the middle of the week?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on August 21, 2014, 12:36:26 am
because nescac schools pride themselves on missing the fewest hours of class time as humanely possible. If a team schedules a mid week game its usually at night or against an opponent within 1 1/2 hours away. Not to mention, mid week road games are a huge disadvantage because players tend not to be as focused as weekend games
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on August 28, 2014, 03:06:42 pm
Amherst soccer preview is posted in its website.  There are seven new players...six freshman and a soph listed....bringing the present squad to 29 players.  There is also a new assistant coach...replacing an assistant that left for an head coaching position.  The writer of the preview is also a new assist SID.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 01, 2014, 04:08:30 pm
Williams season preview is posted as well as its roster
29 players with 7 freshmen on the roster.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 02, 2014, 10:50:18 am
Things to watch for week 1 and week 1 guesswork:

Wesleyan v Bowdoin-        1-0             Wesleyan returns all 11 starters and has a pretty good incoming frosh class. They have more depth this year. I will be watching their keeper situation, long road trips including 2 to Maine, toughest non-conference schedule and opening game against a decent ECONN team. Bowdoin has lost some key cogs in Brewster, the injury plagued Jones and striker Dannesert. Their keeper situation was horrific last year and should get a big boost from an injury plagued frosh Steve Vansicklin. When I saw them last year they played extremely conservative and I do not expect that to change. I do not see a real dangerous roster here and do not expect Bowdoin in the top 6 this year. Wesleyan has more talent and experience.

Williams v Colby-               2-0             Williams is 15-0-1 all time aganist Colby outscoring them 47 to 3. The games have been closer the past few years and I expect this contest to be the same, but Williams will come out on top. Williams is returning a glut of players all over the field and really lost nothing to graduation. Thier biggest loss is in goal. I like the incoming frosh but Russo usually gives the returning kid first crack. Rashid and Muralles should be in full form and I like the kid Danilack in the back. Colby has been apathetic on offense for years and this is not changing this year or until the coach can bring in some quality up front. Their keeper Funkhouser is inconsistent at best and their midfield lacks any creativity. Pratt is good in the back. If Colby plays like UNH which is where the coach is coming from they might overtake Amherst as the ugliest style in Nescac.

Hamilton v Trinity-             1-1             Hamilton played very well at home last year. Trinity has gotten results against Hamilton every year. They started strong last year and completely faded at the end.  Hamilton loses some key players and might struggle this year and Trinty loses some key players in the spine of their team. Complete toss-up

Tufts v Bates               2-0                        - I have ripped Bates on this board for a while and deservingly so. NO need to beat a dead horse. I have also commended Tufts and its talent for the past 3 years. This senior class has talent across the board. I hope their egos can gel this year. They open with the easiest schedule and could be undefeated up until they play Amherst.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on September 02, 2014, 11:20:47 am

http://www.nscaatv.com/rankings/3153

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 02, 2014, 12:39:26 pm

http://www.nscaatv.com/rankings/3153

Report on Saturday tri-scrimmage of Wesleyan, Trinity and Conn was that none of them were impressive.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 02, 2014, 08:23:00 pm
Tried to watch some of Amherst vs New England College, and it's really almost unwatchable.  Field looks like an indoor arena with old-style artificial turf.  Can't tell if the video is just distorted, but field looks like it is 80 by 45. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 02, 2014, 09:51:07 pm
Amherst and New England College headed to OT.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: FourMoreYears on September 03, 2014, 08:17:20 am
Trinity preview is up.
Interesting to note that 23 rostered players are freshmen or sophomores.
Young team.

http://athletics.trincoll.edu/sports/msoc/2014-15/releases/20140902pd4x5x

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 03, 2014, 09:25:49 am
Agree with NACANE....video coverage was not clear for a night game.   Amherst pulls it out in the 96th minute....by a newcomer to the squad.   NEC freshman GK played a fine game against.....dueling All-American Bull in the nets.  Second OT lost for NEC.
Believe the rest of the conference teams won their opening games.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on September 03, 2014, 02:13:11 pm
Agree with NACANE....video coverage was not clear for a night game.   Amherst pulls it out in the 96th minute....by a newcomer to the squad.   NEC freshman GK played a fine game against.....dueling All-American Bull in the nets.  Second OT lost for NEC.
Believe the rest of the conference teams won their opening games.

Ben Bratt and the rest of the Wesleyan Cardinals D shut out the ECSU Warriors 1-0 yesterday. Goal came from Freshman forward Adam Cowie-Haskell on a tap in off a block by Eastern Goalkeeper Gregg Walton.  See  http://gowarriorathletics.com/sports/msoc/2014-15/releases/20140902ox4e2i for more details
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 03, 2014, 07:13:21 pm
Watched this game online. Wesleyan and ECSU were both sluggish in the first half. 2nd half Wesleyan turned on the burners and had ECSU pinned for long stretches of the half. Bratt had a moster game, Gruner playedheir heels very well and Issioff looked dangerous going forward. This Wesleyan team looked pretty good for only being out for about 5 days. I do feel tgheir keeper McConnell is suspect as he did not have to do much in this game but when he had to make decisions, he made some questionable ones racing off his line and misjudging his timing. This is a top 4 team along with Williams, Tufts and Amherst. Midd will be on these teams heels.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on September 03, 2014, 07:29:39 pm
Watched this game online. Wesleyan and ECSU were both sluggish in the first half. 2nd half Wesleyan turned on the burners and had ECSU pinned for long stretches of the half. Bratt had a moster game, Gruner playedheir heels very well and Issioff looked dangerous going forward. This Wesleyan team looked pretty good for only being out for about 5 days. I do feel tgheir keeper McConnell is suspect as he did not have to do much in this game but when he had to make decisions, he made some questionable ones racing off his line and misjudging his timing. This is a top 4 team along with Williams, Tufts and Amherst. Midd will be on these teams heels.
Yeah LaPaz, your absolutely correct, Brat was literally all over the place on a day that had everybody dragging, showing excellent conditioning and his experience as one of the top defenders in NE.  I thought ECSU played the Cardinals close in the first half, and had a couple of good scoring chances, but 2nd half Wesleyan dominated. This veteran team will just get better as the season progresses.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 05, 2014, 02:49:44 pm
Watched this game online. Wesleyan and ECSU were both sluggish in the first half. 2nd half Wesleyan turned on the burners and had ECSU pinned for long stretches of the half. Bratt had a moster game, Gruner playedheir heels very well and Issioff looked dangerous going forward. This Wesleyan team looked pretty good for only being out for about 5 days. I do feel tgheir keeper McConnell is suspect as he did not have to do much in this game but when he had to make decisions, he made some questionable ones racing off his line and misjudging his timing. This is a top 4 team along with Williams, Tufts and Amherst. Midd will be on these teams heels.
Yeah LaPaz, your absolutely correct, Brat was literally all over the place on a day that had everybody dragging, showing excellent conditioning and his experience as one of the top defenders in NE.  I thought ECSU played the Cardinals close in the first half, and had a couple of good scoring chances, but 2nd half Wesleyan dominated. This veteran team will just get better as the season progresses.

Any predictions for the weekend? 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 05, 2014, 03:21:42 pm
Things to watch for week 1 and week 1 guesswork:

Wesleyan v Bowdoin-        1-0             Wesleyan returns all 11 starters and has a pretty good incoming frosh class. They have more depth this year. I will be watching their keeper situation, long road trips including 2 to Maine, toughest non-conference schedule and opening game against a decent ECONN team. Bowdoin has lost some key cogs in Brewster, the injury plagued Jones and striker Dannesert. Their keeper situation was horrific last year and should get a big boost from an injury plagued frosh Steve Vansicklin. When I saw them last year they played extremely conservative and I do not expect that to change. I do not see a real dangerous roster here and do not expect Bowdoin in the top 6 this year. Wesleyan has more talent and experience.

Williams v Colby-               2-0             Williams is 15-0-1 all time aganist Colby outscoring them 47 to 3. The games have been closer the past few years and I expect this contest to be the same, but Williams will come out on top. Williams is returning a glut of players all over the field and really lost nothing to graduation. Thier biggest loss is in goal. I like the incoming frosh but Russo usually gives the returning kid first crack. Rashid and Muralles should be in full form and I like the kid Danilack in the back. Colby has been apathetic on offense for years and this is not changing this year or until the coach can bring in some quality up front. Their keeper Funkhouser is inconsistent at best and their midfield lacks any creativity. Pratt is good in the back. If Colby plays like UNH which is where the coach is coming from they might overtake Amherst as the ugliest style in Nescac.

Hamilton v Trinity-             1-1             Hamilton played very well at home last year. Trinity has gotten results against Hamilton every year. They started strong last year and completely faded at the end.  Hamilton loses some key players and might struggle this year and Trinty loses some key players in the spine of their team. Complete toss-up

Tufts v Bates               2-0                        - I have ripped Bates on this board for a while and deservingly so. NO need to beat a dead horse. I have also commended Tufts and its talent for the past 3 years. This senior class has talent across the board. I hope their egos can gel this year. They open with the easiest schedule and could be undefeated up until they play Amherst.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Ommadawn on September 05, 2014, 04:28:19 pm
If Colby plays like UNH which is where the coach is coming from they might overtake Amherst as the ugliest style in Nescac.

This observation brings up an interesting question.  Is Amherst successful because or despite their style of play?  I have always thought that given the high level of players they have, they could be dominant regardless of the style of play.  A more attractive style might even enable them to win a game 3-0 instead of 1-0, for example.  I think their style of play has an effect on the whole conference, which, at times, gets "dragged down" as teams strive to be competitive with the Lord Jeffs.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ihidebehindtheinternet on September 05, 2014, 04:54:03 pm
1st time poster. Miss what the NESCAC boards use to be with people making predictions on all the league games for the weekend so let’s  start the craze up again. Here goes my best shot:

Saturday:

Bowdoin 0 Wesleyan 2
Personally, don’t think Bowdoin had much going for them last year with the exception of Brewster (I think he wins player of the year if he’s on Amherst or Williams) and Danssaert at times. With these two gone, I feel Bowdoin is going to struggle the whole year. Wes is looking to build off a strong season last year and should continue to give Amherst and Williams a run for their money.

Colby 0 Williams 3
Can Colby turn it around under Seabrook? If history (of D1 assistants taking over as NESCAC head coaches) has anything to say, the answer is yes. Unfortunately, I think this game is too early in the season to show much improvement from last season. Williams also has too much on the line with Russo’s last season. This is an easy one for the Ephs.

Trinity 1 Hamilton 2
Two teams that have struggled in the last few years. Will probably be fighting all season to get blown out in the first round of the playoffs by Amherst or Williams. Think these teams will be evenly matched with the long bus ride for a young Trinity weighing too much on their legs.

Bates 0 Tufts 2
Hopefully this is the year that Tufts can actually turn this league from a two team run away. Hoping for big things with this team as both Santos and Hoppenot are seniors and should try to leave somewhat of a mark on the league from what I believe is somewhat of a disappoint. Doesn’t speak well that Bates is the only team to not win their opening game. This should be an easy one for Tufts.

Sunday:
Amherst 1 Middlebury 0
Is this the year that Amherst finally starts to play soccer? They have the talent to finally do it and hopefully they learned from the elite 8 game last year. How does Midd’s talented freshman class look in the 2nd year? I think this Midd team has a lot of upside potential and finish in the top half of the league this year. In the end I think Amherst’s experience wins this one out in what is sure to be an absolute dogfight.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 06, 2014, 10:23:58 am
1st time poster. Miss what the NESCAC boards use to be with people making predictions on all the league games for the weekend so let’s  start the craze up again. Here goes my best shot:

Saturday:

Bowdoin 0 Wesleyan 2
Personally, don’t think Bowdoin had much going for them last year with the exception of Brewster (I think he wins player of the year if he’s on Amherst or Williams) and Danssaert at times. With these two gone, I feel Bowdoin is going to struggle the whole year. Wes is looking to build off a strong season last year and should continue to give Amherst and Williams a run for their money.

Colby 0 Williams 3
Can Colby turn it around under Seabrook? If history (of D1 assistants taking over as NESCAC head coaches) has anything to say, the answer is yes. Unfortunately, I think this game is too early in the season to show much improvement from last season. Williams also has too much on the line with Russo’s last season. This is an easy one for the Ephs.

Trinity 1 Hamilton 2
Two teams that have struggled in the last few years. Will probably be fighting all season to get blown out in the first round of the playoffs by Amherst or Williams. Think these teams will be evenly matched with the long bus ride for a young Trinity weighing too much on their legs.

Bates 0 Tufts 2
Hopefully this is the year that Tufts can actually turn this league from a two team run away. Hoping for big things with this team as both Santos and Hoppenot are seniors and should try to leave somewhat of a mark on the league from what I believe is somewhat of a disappoint. Doesn’t speak well that Bates is the only team to not win their opening game. This should be an easy one for Tufts.

Sunday:
Amherst 1 Middlebury 0
Is this the year that Amherst finally starts to play soccer? They have the talent to finally do it and hopefully they learned from the elite 8 game last year. How does Midd’s talented freshman class look in the 2nd year? I think this Midd team has a lot of upside potential and finish in the top half of the league this year. In the end I think Amherst’s experience wins this one out in what is sure to be an absolute dogfight.

Agree with both you and LaPaz's predictions (agree that Hamilton will beat Trinity due to the travel effect).  Also, regarding Amherst Middlebury on paper it should be a battle-royal with bodies falling all over the pitch given the relative big size of the players and talent and an early season big game, but I've got to believe that Amherst is going to come out loaded for bear after just squeaking by NE College in 2OT, thus could be a multiple goal game for Amherst in a surprise 2-0 or 3-0 win.  Wouldn't shock me if Middlebury upsets them, but I would never want to play Amherst after they had a lack luster performance against a much weaker team in the previous game.  Amherst has to guard against Middlebury in set pieces as the Panthers score many goals off these plays.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bucket on September 06, 2014, 01:49:23 pm
Glancing at Midd's roster, I see the Panthers have a sophomore goalkeeper who is a DI transfer from Elon College. His Elon bio says he was first-team all state in Connecticut as a hs senior. It will be interesting to see if he can play.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 06, 2014, 03:52:09 pm
OK....rant time.

How can a school like Williams not have video or live stats that work?

And why does Tufts not start probably the two best players, and then when one of those players finally comes in and draws a PK that he wants to take the coach apparently calls for another player to take it who misses?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 06, 2014, 04:28:56 pm
Early implosion from Bates.  Undisciplined, yellow, then red.  Down 3-0.  Long year ahead.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 06, 2014, 04:32:48 pm
Glancing at Midd's roster, I see the Panthers have a sophomore goalkeeper who is a DI transfer from Elon College. His Elon bio says he was first-team all state in Connecticut as a hs senior. It will be interesting to see if he can play.

He can't play and I heard they will go with the frosh.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 06, 2014, 04:34:20 pm
OK....rant time.

How can a school like Williams not have video or live stats that work?

And why does Tufts not start probably the two best players, and then when one of those players finally comes in and draws a PK that he wants to take the coach apparently calls for another player to take it who misses?

We know there are issues at Tufts
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 06, 2014, 04:45:06 pm
Colby at Williams cancelled, will be re-played tomorrow. Also, Rashid had to come out of the game with what looked to be a possible knee injury. Not a good start for the Ephs
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ihidebehindtheinternet on September 06, 2014, 10:24:09 pm
OK....rant time.

How can a school like Williams not have video or live stats that work?

And why does Tufts not start probably the two best players, and then when one of those players finally comes in and draws a PK that he wants to take the coach apparently calls for another player to take it who misses?

Who are you referencing? I am assuming it's either Gus santos or hoopenot. Probably don't want to expose your best shooters tendencies this early in the season when the game isn't on the line.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 07, 2014, 08:07:22 am
OK....rant time.

How can a school like Williams not have video or live stats that work?

And why does Tufts not start probably the two best players, and then when one of those players finally comes in and draws a PK that he wants to take the coach apparently calls for another player to take it who misses?

Who are you referencing? I am assuming it's either Gus santos or hoopenot. Probably don't want to expose your best shooters tendencies this early in the season when the game isn't on the line.

This is ridiculous statement. If you have a chance to score you do it. The best shooters can go either way. The real question as NCAC brought up is for the past 2 years their have been strange lineups and decisions out of Shapiro. Maybe these guys all have attitude issues or do not practice hard or at all?  Not just Santos and Hoppenot on the bench but Nakamura as well
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on September 07, 2014, 08:25:40 am
re: Colby v. Williams, it's odd that they don't just pick up the game from where they left off, nice break for Colby after Williams got the early goal.  Fingers crossed Rashid is OK and it's not a ligament injury; he's had a lot of bad injury luck and obviously is the most dynamic offensive player the Ephs have.  Based on box score it seems like a frosh striker came in to replace him; that is a not a position where the Ephs have tremendous depth.  As LaPaz predicted Alcorn got the first shot at the goalie vacancy but Russo usually gives more than one goalie a shot over the course of the season, unless one is clearly superior.  As for live stats / video, I'm guessing that the massive lightning storm may have had something to do with the issues! 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 07, 2014, 08:33:21 am
Yes, I meant Santos and Hoppenot.  You seem to be familiar with them since they rightly were your first guesses.  Your post really isn't logical.  A D3 saving their most dangerous players for later in the season so teams don't get a good look at them???  First, this was a real NESCAC game, so why would you risk getting off to an 0-1 start?  Secondly, all of the NESCAC teams already are very familiar with these two players and the only surprise would be not seeing them on the pitch.  Third, no coach who truly wants to win keeps their best players on the bench (or "saves them for later") unless there is some disciplinary or attitude issue and/or if there is some huge coaching ego issue.  The ONLY other argument that would make sense is saying that they are no longer two of the best players.  And if that is true then Tufts should be the favorite to win the national championship.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on September 07, 2014, 05:33:08 pm
Two bad goals off throw-ins...  Amherst equalizer with only 20 sec left. WOW.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bucket on September 07, 2014, 06:38:06 pm
I'm not sure I'd call Amherst's goal a bad goal. There was a scrum in the box off the throw in and then a solid strike; keeper had no chance. Typical—or classic, depending on what shirt you're wearing—Amherst. I had shades of Willy Workman in Pepin flashing before my eyes. Little Bucket might have said it best: "Not again."

Hard to tell what happened on the Midd goal. It was set up by the Ogle throw—what a weapon—at least 40 yards in the air. Then just an unfortunate bounce off an Amherst player into the net.

Both teams played really hard. Amherst is so fast and strong it seemed at times they were playing with 12 or 13 men. Panthers were technically strong, played with a lot of grit. Recovered well when Amherst gained advantage, which they did often.

Very chippy play, tho it never got dirty. A couple of yellows, a lot of jawing. There was even chirping between some members of the coaching staffs. Emotions were running hot. By the end, everyone was spent.

Some partisan Panther observations:

*The DI transfer, Sydor, was, in fact, the keeper. He doesn't have the strongest leg, but he was quick off his line, had good instincts, and made some athletic saves.

*So good to see Luis Echiverria back out there after losing most of his first year to injury. Love watching him play.

*Glaser has such a motor.

*Goss-Woliner is a competitor. Reminds me of Harrison Watkins in that regard.

*Solid, solid play from Midd backs. They were pressured a lot and were steady all game.

*I expect that few teams can match Midd's Conrad, Bean, and Ogle inch-for-inch and pound-for-pound, but Amherst is one team that can. I see big days ahead this year for those sophs, especially Conrad.

So glad we're back and the season's under way!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 07, 2014, 07:12:26 pm
The Midd goal was soft, and through the hands of Bull which was the biggest surprise.  Result was probably very fair in the end, although Midd had to be distraught giving up an equalizer 20 secs from a big win.  Kudos to Midd for not losing in OT which seemed likely with the way regulation ended.

Generally the criticisms of Serpone have seemed overblown to me in the past, but I have to say that his sideline antics in the last 10-15 minutes were poor.  At one point looked like he almost made physical content with a ref.  Intense competitiveness is understandable but he needs to do a better job as the leader of that team and as a representative of the college.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on September 07, 2014, 09:32:03 pm
NESCAC memo featured in Fox "News" segment on the "wussification of sports": http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/09/07/11-colleges-ban-booing-at-soccer-games/ ... I guess Serpone didn't get the memo :). 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 07, 2014, 09:51:37 pm
Midd goalie actually was the highlight of the day for me. With him in net they have a chance in any game compared to last year. They still do not have any legitimate goalscorers. Glazer scored a lot last year against weak competition and has definite wheels but has NO LEFT FOOT and did not have a sniff today. Conrad reminds me of a typical Midd / Bowdoin soccer player. Big, Strong, tremendous athlete but not a "soccer" player. He is very good but not a legitimate goal scorer. This game was extremely UGLY as anyone could have predicted. Ball flying around in the air most of the game, actually Amherst tried to play a bit. Rico and Pascuel Leone are skilled and good "soccer" players. Midd was extermely ugly especially out of the back. Heo, Singer and transfer did nothing today.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: frank uible on September 07, 2014, 10:11:36 pm
If one does it quietly, is a spectator at a NESCAC game permitted to pass gas?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CAC2424 on September 07, 2014, 10:47:27 pm
Good first weekend of soccer.

Conn looked good today vs. UMD.  Gave up two second half goals but had game in hand.  Devlin is a great player obviously.

Amherst-Midd today was intense. Good, old fashioned CAC game.  Caught 40 minutes or so.  Amherst seems to find a way.  Learned more about Midd today than Amherst- they are a force to be reckoned with again. Conn-Midd next weekend is going to be fireworks.   

Bowdoin -Wesleyan yesterday was a travesty.  Totally harmless shot by Wesleyan ended up in back of the net when it hit a hole in ground and bounced over Bowdoin goalkeepers -who is good- hands. Even game decided on an uneven play.  Pun intended. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 08, 2014, 12:39:09 pm
Good first weekend of soccer.

Conn looked good today vs. UMD.  Gave up two second half goals but had game in hand.  Devlin is a great player obviously.

Amherst-Midd today was intense. Good, old fashioned CAC game.  Caught 40 minutes or so.  Amherst seems to find a way.  Learned more about Midd today than Amherst- they are a force to be reckoned with again. Conn-Midd next weekend is going to be fireworks.   

Bowdoin -Wesleyan yesterday was a travesty.  Totally harmless shot by Wesleyan ended up in back of the net when it hit a hole in ground and bounced over Bowdoin goalkeepers -who is good- hands. Even game decided on an uneven play.  Pun intended.

We will find out about Conn in their next two games vs. Midd (9/13) and Amherst (9/17).  Both games will be a tall order (pun intended) for Conn.  Conn's new goalie will be tested by Midd's/Jeff's set pieces.  On the positive side for Conn both games are home.  If Conn can somehow avoid a sweep it will be a big step for them.  Expect the bodies to be flying and colliding in these games.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 08, 2014, 03:32:03 pm
Noticed that posters awaiting American football to begin are appearing on the soccer board. :)
Bucket...for awhile thought you were broadcasting the game on NSN.  Saw a "little guy" on the sidelines working the balls.  Maybe in a few years, young Bucket wii be working the sidelines.  Amherst pays students over  10 bucks/hr these days to help in sporting events. 
The HD coverage was great for the Mid-AMH game.  Heard that Amherst will now have NSN coverage.
With respect to  Coach Serpone...he is the nicest person off the field.  Was surprise to see him..in the grey shirt..sitting with his senior assistant during the first half.   Remember, both guys are "thin" on top and can be mistaken.   Did see him get upset with some of the out of bound calls, as Amherst was trying to get as many chances to attack as possible in the last part of the game.  Believe his assistant was pulling him back at times.
Part of the tremendous number of headers by both teams is that both goalies were booming their free kicks down the field.  Bull, the Amherst goalie, has scored a goal off a kick and he was trying hard in the last 5 minutes of regulation time to get the ball into the attacking zone.  My take. 
Oh yes, Amherst has now played two OT games in two starts.  Seems to me that they are still trying to find the best offensive player combo, while rebuilding their defense...loosing two first team conf. Players to graduation....one an All-American......and the other a local boy from Sidwell Friends School.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 08, 2014, 03:40:10 pm
Agree ^^^^ strongly on 2 points: 1) the Midd video quality was superb; and 2) Bull did a great job getting balls into the final 3rd (final 1/4 really) and Midd made huge mistake in last 3-4 minutes continually playing balls out all the way to Bull so he could launch again instead of trying to keep possession and/or take ball to the corner.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on September 08, 2014, 04:47:42 pm
NESCAC memo featured in Fox "News" segment on the "wussification of sports": http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/09/07/11-colleges-ban-booing-at-soccer-games/ ... I guess Serpone didn't get the memo :).

Watched the Middlebury Amherst game.  The Amherst goalie completely misplayed the goal.  Right thru his hands at head level.  But I do believe the result was fair..I also saw Amherst use their midfield which was missing the last few years given the long kick and play style of the past. Amherst looked a little faster...It was a good game.

..Also watched the Tufts Bates game.  Hard to gauge how good Tufts will be based on this game but they controlled the play.  I also see these comments about some of the Tufts players and the Coach's decisions, as well as other coaches from other teams.  I believe that the Tufts comments are somewhat based on performances from 2-3 years ago.  I just don't know how people can question a coach's decision without knowing all of the surrounding facts like injuries or other emerging talent.  I know people like to opine on this board, which is half the fun, but many of the comments probably are made in jest or with some team bias....The attack on coaches seems a bit out of proportion.

...Conn College looks good and will be interesting to see them play against the top tier NESCAC teams...
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NESCAC-fanatic00203 on September 08, 2014, 05:19:39 pm
@Brother Flounder - you have it all wrong with Tufts... internal turmoil like you wouldn't believe in Medford. I'm talking players skipping practice, revolting against the coach, hoppenot and santos threatening to transfer to northeastern mid-season. shapiro just isn't a players coach and can't connect with any of them, making powerplays left and right starting other players. my sources close to the situation tell me that this tufts team is falling apart from the inside out
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on September 08, 2014, 06:37:38 pm
@Brother Flounder - you have it all wrong with Tufts... internal turmoil like you wouldn't believe in Medford. I'm talking players skipping practice, revolting against the coach, hoppenot and santos threatening to transfer to northeastern mid-season. shapiro just isn't a players coach and can't connect with any of them, making powerplays left and right starting other players. my sources close to the situation tell me that this tufts team is falling apart from the inside out

Me thinks you are smoking the funny stuff. Why would someone transfer mid season when they are seniors??? No logic or sense.  I think your are stirring up the pot, so to speak.  Tufts looks like they are in real turmoil..12 gols to nil in 2 games....
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bucket on September 08, 2014, 08:26:02 pm
Noticed that posters awaiting American football to begin are appearing on the soccer board. :)
Bucket...for awhile thought you were broadcasting the game on NSN.  Saw a "little guy" on the sidelines working the balls.  Maybe in a few years, young Bucket wii be working the sidelines.  Amherst pays students over  10 bucks/hr these days to help in sporting events. 
The HD coverage was great for the Mid-AMH game.  Heard that Amherst will now have NSN coverage.
With respect to  Coach Serpone...he is the nicest person off the field.  Was surprise to see him..in the grey shirt..sitting with his senior assistant during the first half.   Remember, both guys are "thin" on top and can be mistaken.   Did see him get upset with some of the out of bound calls, as Amherst was trying to get as many chances to attack as possible in the last part of the game.  Believe his assistant was pulling him back at times.
Part of the tremendous number of headers by both teams is that both goalies was booming their free kicks down the field.  Bull, the Amherst goalie has scored a goal off a kick and he was trying hard in the last 5 minutes of regulation time to get the ball into the attacking zone.  My take. 
Oh yes, Amherst has now played two OT games in two starts.  Seems to me that they are still trying to find the best offensive player combo, while rebuilding their defense...loosing two first team conf. Players to graduation....one an All-American......and the other a local boy from Sidwell Friends School.

Little Bucket is about a year away from being a ballboy. He was seated with me in the mobile scorer's table booth.

Always nice to catch up with my friend Brian Hamm, and yes, I have always found Justin to be quite friendly off the pitch. I enjoy chatting with him whenever I have the opportunity.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 08, 2014, 08:36:00 pm
I mean maybe the poster is exaggerating a bit and may have an ax to grind with Shapiro but I gotta say it sounds about right. The past few years Santos has been injured/out of shape and in and out of the starting lineup. We all know Shapiro can be tough, but the players have to take some responsibility. Last year we noticed Hoppenot randomly not starting and now this year Nakamura. Personally I am hoping the players come around and get in good shape and just follow thru with what the coach is saying and conversely Shapiro loosens his grip a bit. A player like Santos can win a game for you and he needs to be able to play freely and not being told to defend. You have other players to defend. This team is to damn talented to waste on infighting.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CAC2424 on September 08, 2014, 09:10:30 pm
Can we not go on and on about the coaches?  As a player it was always frustrated me when everything was focused on the coaches and not on the players and the games.  I'd like to be active on this board this season and am going to do my best to be as non-biased as possible. Whatever is going on at Tufts is working.  12 goals in two games against anyone is a good start. They play Suffolk on Wednesday so it could be TWENTY goals in 3 games.

Some interesting midweeks.  Colby/Husson and Bates/Thomas will both be Maine battles.  Williams/WSU became more interesting after Williams had to play twice this weekend.  Any word on Williams injury situation?

 

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Ommadawn on September 08, 2014, 09:39:06 pm
Some interesting midweeks.  Colby/Husson and Bates/Thomas will both be Maine battles.  Williams/WSU became more interesting after Williams had to play twice this weekend.  Any word on Williams injury situation?

Injuries or no, I would not expect Westfield to get within 3 goals of Williams.  The Maine games are likely to be closer.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 08, 2014, 09:46:31 pm
Can we not go on and on about the coaches?  As a player it was always frustrated me when everything was focused on the coaches and not on the players and the games.  I'd like to be active on this board this season and am going to do my best to be as non-biased as possible. Whatever is going on at Tufts is working.  12 goals in two games against anyone is a good start. They play Suffolk on Wednesday so it could be TWENTY goals in 3 games.

Some interesting midweeks.  Colby/Husson and Bates/Thomas will both be Maine battles.  Williams/WSU became more interesting after Williams had to play twice this weekend.  Any word on Williams injury situation?

Yea all that coach talk is as mind numbing as all those posts you put us thru about a month ago  about who has the toughest conference in the country and why Nescac is better and if the 9th place team in Nescac played the 6th place team here blah blah blah...point being we all get our fuel from different places.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 08, 2014, 09:53:55 pm
Some interesting midweeks.  Colby/Husson and Bates/Thomas will both be Maine battles.  Williams/WSU became more interesting after Williams had to play twice this weekend.  Any word on Williams injury situation?

Injuries or no, I would not expect Westfield to get within 3 goals of Williams.  The Maine games are likely to be closer.

Westfield can be scrappy and they play on really bad turf. Also, Williams is known to butcher mid week games sometimes and this is not the days of Alex Blake and Co beating Westfield 10-0. However if Williams can score 2 quickly Westfield might pack it in. 2 years ago I believe westfield had a 1-0 lead with about 20 minutes left until Rashid scored 2 goals late to win it.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Ommadawn on September 08, 2014, 10:48:13 pm
Ironically, amidst all this chatter about Tufts, they are this week's new #1 on Bennett Ranking.  Validity of the ranking aside, perhaps Tufts is just D3 men's soccer's version of the Billy Martin-era New York Yankees.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NESCAC-fanatic00203 on September 08, 2014, 10:55:32 pm
I hear Hoppenot isn't starting because he's on trial with the phila union (where his brother plays) and is waiting to see that out, while santos is persuing a career in male modeling vs. soccer instead. shapiro has had it up to here with them and nakamura is no different. LaPaz hits the nail on the head - the coach just has to let the kids play. 12 goals to nil in 2 games means nothing when the coach's power plays keep those more capable from being on the field.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: 1970s NESCAC Player on September 09, 2014, 09:40:20 am
Re Williams injury:  Rashid went down screaming without contact with a right knee injury about 15 minutes into the (what was to become) abandoned Colby game Saturday.  On Sunday during the replay, he was on the sidelines in street clothes on crutches and a brace on his right leg.  Hopefully not the ACL and he will be able to return to action this season.  Even without him, Williams is very solid all over the field.  They will find goals from other players, and their defense will allow them to win many close games.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on September 09, 2014, 11:19:21 am

Tufts beat UMASS Boston and Bates, Wesleyan beats ECU and Bowdoin... you would atleast think Wesleyan would be ahead of Tufts in this scenario.   

I think Brandeis jumps Amherst this week in NSCAA rankings.  Williams still remains #1.   Both Wesleyan and Wheaton will be in the 20s to RV range.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 09, 2014, 11:26:46 am
Tufts #1???  Do we need any further proof about how much of a joke the Bennett Rankings are?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: lastguyoffthebench on September 09, 2014, 11:38:51 am

3 NESCAC teeams in Massey Top 10:

Messiah
Frank & Marsh
Amherst           (23 SOS; 4 RoS SOS)
Kenyon
Williams           (74 SOS; 2 Ros SOS)
Wesleyan CT    (14 SOS; 1 RoS SOS)
Emory
Ohio Wesleyan
Chris Newport
Montclair St


http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=csoc2014&sub=11620  (looks like most games are up to date)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on September 09, 2014, 11:48:54 am
Since Messiah returns the overwhelming majority of its key players, including several all-Americans (Payne, Robbins, and Thompson are all among the best players in the nation, and star sophomore Brandt may join them this year, all would be the best player in NESCAC), from last year's national champion squad, any ranking that does not have them first until they lose a game is pretty silly. 

That Rashid injury report is very, very discouraging.  Hopefully just a sprain, but but more often than not, when you hear about something like that, it's a season-ending tear.  Williams has plenty of depth and balance but no elite finisher up front without Rashid. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 09, 2014, 12:53:35 pm

3 NESCAC teeams in Massey Top 10:

Messiah
Frank & Marsh
Amherst           (23 SOS; 4 RoS SOS)
Kenyon
Williams           (74 SOS; 2 Ros SOS)
Wesleyan CT    (14 SOS; 1 RoS SOS)
Emory
Ohio Wesleyan
Chris Newport
Montclair St


http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=csoc2014&sub=11620  (looks like most games are up to date)

And 3 more in 10-20 ranking--Tufts, Conn and Midd
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on September 09, 2014, 05:56:41 pm
Williams 4, Westfield St 0.   Westfield's only shot came at the 89:23 mark in the game - well after every player and fan in attendance had been substituted in. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on September 10, 2014, 05:05:14 am
Nice to see Williams getting strong production from its other two strikers in Rashid's absence -- Zach Grady now has three goals and an assist (not to mention the goal that didn't count in the cancelled first Colby "game") on the season, and first year Mark Sisco-Tolomeo added two more today.  Grady had only one goal in the past two years combined, so he has really stepped it up so far as a Senior.  If Rashid can return at some point this season (which obviously won't be happening if he torn an MCL or ACL),  the development of other scoring options up front will really help the team's depth. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 11, 2014, 09:34:12 am
My sources tell me Rashid is out for the year with a torn ACL. Williams will need others to step up in big games or they will look a lot like Wesleyan against good teams. i.e. unable to finish chances.


Watched Wesleyan at Roger Williams last night. Wesleyan dominated and had plenty of chances to score but could not finish. Roger Williams was ok but nothing special. They were a physical team bordering dirty and their home field is an advantage. Turf, night game mid week, rowdy and large crowd were some but not all the factors against Wesleyan. I see why Wheeler scheduled this game but it would of behooved him to maybe schedule it at 4:15. He plays Wheaton this saturday at 7pm also and no doubt that will be a rowdy crowd as well.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on September 11, 2014, 10:21:24 am
Thanks for the info, LaPaz.  Brutal blow for Russo in his last year.  Ephs will still be strong but obviously losing your top goal-scoring threat is not easy to overcome.  And of course, tough blow for Rashid, who now has suffered two major injuries in his career.  I wonder if he will try to take a semester off from school so he can play two more seasons of soccer. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on September 11, 2014, 10:30:08 am
Big blow for a good player and program.
The good news is that there is still strength for the team and a bright future for the player.

On a related note, does anyone else notice a huge rise in the amount of ACL/MCL injuries compared to say 10-15 years ago?

I dont think it is the training regimen, as most  of these strong programs have the same coach in place.
Perhaps the lads are just being worn out before college?
Maybe different turfs?
Whatever the reason, D3 Soccer has been deprived of some super talented players for the past few years.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 11, 2014, 11:37:33 am
Saint of Old.......good observation.  I have noticed more such reported injuries in other sports...basketball.  Even in women sports.   I'm wondering if it is the due in part to the trend that kids start playing sports ...on. Really competative levels....at earlier ages.  Club teams, AAU teams, etc. Which impact the natural physical development of their bodies.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on September 11, 2014, 12:24:23 pm
If you are really bored you can google Dr. Eric Giza and you can find a lot of info.  He's a buddy of mine and is the chief of Ortho Foot/Ankle for UC Davis.  He's been an asst. physician for the US Soccer Federation, worked at Aston Villa FC, he is one of the researchers for MLS and most importantly he's the team physician for the Sac Republic FC which means I get free seats on the pitch  ;D.  He's been focused on soccer injuries for years and put out a lot of content on types of injuries, etc. 

Here's an example - not sure who this site is but they threw some of Eric's research into a nice infographic
http://joshkarnowski.com/2014/05/05/injury-statistics-of-professional-womens-soccer-infographic/

They found that while women have far fewer injuries in general, they are 4 times as likely to have knee injuries and Eric said it's primarily just development.  Muscles just aren't strong enough to support the activity when they are in hs/college.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Corazon on September 11, 2014, 12:34:27 pm
Just awful news for Williams and NESCAC fans. I saw their repeat game on line vs Colby and saw a strong, deep team, but perhaps a team lacking a special player. I had heard Rashid was that player.

Colby surprised me a little. They worked hard and kept the game closer than expected. Team is working much harder than last year and is probably a result of the new coaching staff. I'm hearing they're recruiting well.

Also surprised by Bates. I really thought they'd have better results this year as I thought Flaherty was recruiting pretty well. Saw their first game on line and was impressed by Knoth and Pereira, both playmaker types you don't often see in D3. They still have time and perhaps result would have been more respectable vs Tufts if not for the red card on Moyo.

The Amherst juggernaut is sputtering a bit but I'm sure they'll still be a force to be reckoned with at the end.

I'm intrigued by Tufts.  Is saw a couple of their games and I see a deep and talented team. If they don't implode, they could make a deep run. I haven't been impressed with Shapiro's style - saw a little bit during son's recruitment and have been fascinated by reading about the internal turmoil. They are still a very good team.

In summary, this might be the most competitive year in the NESCAC in some time. Nice to see the other schools besides Amherst and Williams competing.   Looking forward to seeing what Tufts, Wesleyan, Conn, Middlebury and Bowdoin do.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: jknezek on September 11, 2014, 12:54:48 pm
Saint of Old.......good observation.  I have noticed more such reported injuries in other sports...basketball.  Even in women sports.   I'm wondering if it is the due in part to the trend that kids start playing sports ...on. Really competative levels....at earlier ages.  Club teams, AAU teams, etc. Which impact the natural physical development of their bodies.

I think it's more the specialization at a young age than the level of competition. Most sports use specific muscle groups (and their attaching hardware!) more than others, and those are the areas that seem to be getting beat up as kids continue to play. Although I freely admit I only believe this based on anecdotal evidence. Still, I think kids in middle and high school that played different sports each season got breathers for stressed muscles and tendons that they aren't getting now that they are playing 3 seasons of the same sport. Such is the nature of the beast these days.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NESCAC-fanatic00203 on September 11, 2014, 01:17:16 pm
Weekend Predictions

Amherst @ Bowdoin - Will probably be a close game, but not as close as the 2013 Semi-Final without Brewster. Not sure about Bowdoin this year and hard to believe Amherst can't start producing offensively. 2-1 Amherst.

Trinity @ Williams - Williams won't get upset at home in Russo's last season. 3-1 Williams

Midd @ Conn - Physical battle, probably the ugliest game of the weekend. Can see Conn trying to shut it down for a tie, but I give midd the slight edge. 1-0.

Hamilton @ Bates - Bates looks like the worst team in the conference this year, and Hamilton appeared solid vs. Trin. I give them the edge 2-1.

Tufts @ Colby - Another week of internal turmoil, another win for Tufts. But Colby is a tough place to play, and a new coach has them energized and organized. Could see a tie, but Tufts should pull this out 1-0.

Wesleyan @ Wheaton - For the sake of the NESCAC, I hope they run Wheaton off the field & avenge last year's loss (when several key players sat due to suspension). 4-1 Wesleyan.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 11, 2014, 01:26:50 pm
NESCAC-fanatic, I think you are going to be way off on Wesleyan vs Wheaton.  Could be 4-1 Wheaton as Wheaton is really on a tear and flying high.  I might go see this one.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Corazon on September 11, 2014, 01:50:49 pm
Agree. Wheaton is very strong this year.  Probably a toss up for me.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: SoccerFollower on September 11, 2014, 02:33:17 pm
My predictions:
Amherst 2-0 Bowdoin. Amherst will find their feet, and Bowdoin without Brewster will have trouble containing them.

Trinity 1-3 Williams. Williams too complete of a team (even without Rashid) and always find a way to win. Savonen scores early but Willams prevails

Middlebury 1-1 Conn College. Most intriguing game of the weekend for me. Two teams that seem on the verge of making moves up the Nescac. We'll see if one pulls it off but I think they'll draw.

Hamilton 1-0 Bates. This game will be ugly. Hamilton has struggled away from home, but I think Bates will find a way to lose.

Tufts 1-1 Colby. Colby looked like an organized unit against Williams, something tufts hasn't faced yet this year. Given the Tufts state of affairs and playing away from home, I think they tie.

Wesleyan 1-2 Wheaton. Really hard to tell who will win this. Wheaton has yet to be truly challenged, but I think Wesleyan is missing a little bit of firepower/creativity. Giving Wheaton the benefit of the doubt due to their strong start to the year.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Corazon on September 11, 2014, 02:44:28 pm
My predictions:
Amherst 2-0 Bowdoin. Amherst will find their feet, and Bowdoin without Brewster will have trouble containing them.

Trinity 1-3 Williams. Williams too complete of a team (even without Rashid) and always find a way to win. Savonen scores early but Willams prevails

Middlebury 1-1 Conn College. Most intriguing game of the weekend for me. Two teams that seem on the verge of making moves up the Nescac. We'll see if one pulls it off but I think they'll draw.

Hamilton 1-0 Bates. This game will be ugly. Hamilton has struggled away from home, but I think Bates will find a way to lose.

Tufts 1-1 Colby. Colby looked like an organized unit against Williams, something tufts hasn't faced yet this year. Given the Tufts state of affairs and playing away from home, I think they tie.

Wesleyan 1-2 Wheaton. Really hard to tell who will win this. Wheaton has yet to be truly challenged, but I think Wesleyan is missing a little bit of firepower/creativity. Giving Wheaton the benefit of the doubt due to their strong start to the year.

Good predictions. My only difference of opinion is that I think Tufts wins by a couple of goals. Despite their turmoil, there is just too big of a gap in talent between the teams.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 11, 2014, 10:25:59 pm
Predictions:

Bowdoin v Amherst-         1-1                    I have said Bowdoin does not look as good on paper as in years past but they are athletic and were a bit unlucky against Wesleyan. I do not like Safian in goal as he is suspect and the back 4 are athletic but not extremely skilled. Diaz Costa in midfield is skilled and Andrew Jones has wheels. Amherst the better team but have struggled a bit out of the gate. Bull looks shaky so far and I do not see a legit goal scorer on this squad as of now. I give the game a tie on a hunch.

Conn v Midd-                   0-0                     This will be a defensive slugfest. Total shots for both teams will be under 15.  Midd has the advantage up front and in goal while Conn has the advantage in midfield ( big O'Brien fan) and on D.

Colby v Tufts-                  0-2                     Tufts has to many weapons and advantages all over the field no matter who is starting and who is not. Colby is def more organized defensively this year and it is quite apparent Serjenian left the new coach with some glorified JV players. Colby has a handful of good Nescac players including Vogel and others but this team needs a couple good recruiting classes before it can compete.

Bates v Hamilton-            0-1                     8 hour bus ride or not, Hamilton leaves Lewiston with a win. The poster below who praised Peabo Knoth and Peraria and also praised Flaherty's recruiting made me laugh out loud for real. Bates is the least talented squad since......well Bates 2013. Hamilton is misssing a key player in Griffin Abbott but still have weapons up front to score.

Williams v Trinity-            2-1                     Williams have struggled recently against Trinity but more so on Trinity's field. Trinity will send players forward and usually play a 4-3-3 with fast wingers and skill up the spine with Tobias and Savonen. Gk is weak and back 4 are big but a tad slow. Williams playing well so far but in my opinion have not played anyone yet and their keeper has not been tested. That will change Saturday. Williasm might have the best D in Nescac with Luke Pierce and Geoff Danilack in the middle and Andreas Burbank-Crump at left back. Murrales is due to score soon as well.

Wheaton(MA) v Wesleyan-     0-1                I am not on the band wagon of Wheaton yet. for all you posters thinking Wheaton is going to win by multiple goals and score 3 or 4 goals you are crazy. Wesleyan has given up a total of 1 goal in 3 games against decent competition. Wesleyan playes very solid organized defense. They dominated Roger Williams last night but could not score, will that change against Wheaton? Again a 7pm Saturday night start is not a smart schedule plan from Wheeler. The crowd will be large and rowdy for sure, they will however go home disappointed.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Corazon on September 12, 2014, 07:21:47 am
La Paz, I always like reading your posts. You are very knowledgeable, have inside info and are not afraid to speak your mind. I hope you'll keep the weekly predictions coming.

I'm curious as to your Bates comment though as I'm the guy who praised Knoth and Pereira but in all candor, I have a soft spot for flair players. I'm not trying to argue as I truly have no axe to grind here but just as you laughed out loud at my comment that I thought Flaherty must be recruiting better as he's brought these two players into the program (he's only had 2 recruiting cycles, I think) I laughed out loud at your past coaching ratings giving Shapiro at Tufts an "A" as I knew about their internal turmoil, his personality and his mediocre recruiting ability (but good classes). Is it possible that Flaherty is a good recruiter but recruits poorly?  Is it possible that Shapiro is a poor recruiter but recruits good classes?  What gives? What are the other forces at work?

Personally, I thought Flaherty was a very good recruiter - he worked really hard and for a long time and showed a lot of passion in son's recruitment but at the end of the day, my guy picked another school for non-soccer reasons.  He was recruited by the majority of the NESCACs so I got to meet most of the coaches and saw most of their correspondence. No matter what anyone says here, personal experience is that Flaherty is a good recruiter - but you say Bates is apparently not recruiting well, which could very well be (though I still like Knoth and Pereira a lot).

I wonder how much of recruiting a coach can control at a school like Bates?  While a great school, it is in a conference of all great schools, is geographically remote, in a not great town, and was left with little talent by his predecessor. Contrasting Bates with a school like Tufts (large,urban, non-Lac) and a coach in Shapiro who you've praised, I saw a vast difference in personality and effort between the two.  I do recognize it is entirely possible that Shapiro didn't rate my son as highly as the other NESCAC coaches, and maybe he actually makes an effort with guys who he likes but the difference between the two in our personal experience, was vast.

I guess my my question is more a philosophical one regarding two teams apparently headed in opposite directions -  Do you need to take into account the difficulty of recruiting into account in addition to the wins and losses when discussing coaching/program effectiveness?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NESCAC-fanatic00203 on September 12, 2014, 08:34:43 am
To all the gullible dads who can't sense sarcasm: there is no internal turmoil at Tufts. God forbid a coach has to deal with injuries or brings players off of the bench strategically. It's hilarious how one post can turn into fact so quickly. But glad you all "knew of the turmoil" beforehand.

I agree with you LaPaz- not quite ready to jump on the Wheaton bandwagon. I think wesleyan is too good definitely to collapse and will get a scrappy goal
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CAC2424 on September 12, 2014, 09:36:16 am
Haha. It is pretty funny.  Let's look at the overreaction on this board (been like this for years) -

Tufts is falling apart. Not true.
Wheaton is all of a sudden a top team in NE. Not True.
Amherst is "sputtering". Not true.
Williams is better off without their best player.  Not True.

All of these things COULD be true but the NESCAC season is less than two weeks old.  Tufts is off to the best start to the season they could ever hope for.  Wheaton is 5-0 but hasn't played anyone yet.  If they beat Wesleyan-then YES- they are for real.  Amherst has won the last four NESCAC Championships. Probably deserve benefit of doubt until they start losing. Williams could be ok but the Rashid injury is a tough pill to swallow. I know 90 percent of the board are Williams fans but Rashid is the real deal.

Weekend Predictions

Conn 3 Midd 1- Devlin is on fire and will score another two on Midd.
Wesleyan 3 Wheaton 1 - Wesleyan totally underrated.  Good team.
Amherst 2 Bowdoin 0.  Another game of bodies flying everywhere.
Williams 1 Trinity 1.  Williams always struggles with Trinity.  Not surgeon this one but hopping for an undefeated weekend for the State of Connecticut. 
Bates 1 Hamilton 1.  Could pick this game either way so went with a tie. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on September 12, 2014, 09:57:18 am
Who is saying that Williams is better off without Rashid?  Everyone (or least most everyone) and certainly I said that losing him was a big blow.  The team still has plenty of talent and is still capable for competing for the NESCAC title, but the Ephs will have to really scrap for goals and win a lot of close defensive battles without their most dynamic offensive player.  Here is hoping he can return 100 percent next fall and have better luck with injuries in his last year (or perhaps last two years) of his college career. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: NESCAC-fanatic00203 on September 12, 2014, 10:32:10 am
CAC2424 - spot on.

Love all the experts on this page:

"I laughed out loud at your past coaching ratings giving Shapiro at Tufts an "A" as I knew about their internal turmoil, his personality and his mediocre recruiting ability (but good classes)." - Corazon, Tufts Insider

"The past few years Santos has been injured/out of shape and in and out of the starting lineup. We all know Shapiro can be tough, but the players have to take some responsibility. Last year we noticed Hoppenot randomly not starting and now this year Nakamura." - LaPaz, Santos' nutritionist & mind-reader of coaches

"Tufts 1-1 Colby. Colby looked like an organized unit against Williams, something tufts hasn't faced yet this year. Given the Tufts state of affairs and playing away from home, I think they tie." - SoccerFollower, Somerville Correspondent of Internal Affairs
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ihidebehindtheinternet on September 12, 2014, 10:40:24 am

Amherst 2 Bowdoin 0

Good luck to Bowdoin trying to out tough Amherst. Think the Lord Jeffs will get absolutely after the Polar Bears on set pieces. I would be scared to be the first team to face the Jeffs if their offense ever comes together after what should be viewed as a disappointing start for them after the last few years.



Trinity 1 Williams 2

Williams is just better especially at home against a young Trinity team who it seemed like had to battle and gut out a tie at Hamilton last week (got outshot 22-11).



Midd 1 Conn 0

Start of what could be a big week for Conn. If they don’t lose both games I think that should be a moral victory. Don’t know what to expect from Conn after losing POY in Hawkey. Haven’t been tested yet (no offense Mitchell and UMass Dartmouth). Giving the edge to Midd here.



Hamilton 2 Bates 0

Did not see any of the Bates Tufts game but just looking at the box score they seem dreadful this year. Best of luck to them getting a win this season.



Tufts 2 Colby 1

Thinking this one could get away from Tufts traveling up to Maine and looking forward to Wes later in the week. Tufts is too superior to Colby to tie/loss but crazier things have happened in Maine.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 12, 2014, 10:50:03 am
Two of of a team's arguably best players not starting is at least interesting.    No idea whether that reflects turmoil or not. The most laughable idea was the coach not playing them to keep them secret from coaches for later in the season even though they are probably two of the top 10 most known players in the NESCAC already. Anyway, the season will tell us if Tufts meets expectations or underperforms.

Amherst 3 Bowdoin 0

Williams 2 Trinity 0

Midd 3 Conn 1

Hamilton 2 Bates 1

Tufts 3 Colby 1

Wheaton 3 Wesleyan 2
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 12, 2014, 10:55:47 am
Corazon, I'm interested in your impressions on the recruitment trail.  In my experience among a handful of NESCAC coaches Wheeler at Wesleyan was the most responsive.  It is interesting that the schools that tend to be at the top of the NESCAC presumably have the highest hurdles to clear in terms of admissions.  And despite its remote location IMHO Colby is such a desirable school that I would think Colby would do much better.  Bates seems like a slightly tougher sell.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 12, 2014, 11:07:24 am

Amherst 2 Bowdoin 0

Good luck to Bowdoin trying to out tough Amherst. Think the Lord Jeffs will get absolutely after the Polar Bears on set pieces. I would be scared to be the first team to face the Jeffs if their offense ever comes together after what should be viewed as a disappointing start for them after the last few years.



Trinity 1 Williams 2

Williams is just better especially at home against a young Trinity team who it seemed like had to battle and gut out a tie at Hamilton last week (got outshot 22-11).



Midd 1 Conn 0

Start of what could be a big week for Conn. If they don’t lose both games I think that should be a moral victory. Don’t know what to expect from Conn after losing POY in Hawkey. Haven’t been tested yet (no offense Mitchell and UMass Dartmouth). Giving the edge to Midd here.



Hamilton 2 Bates 0

Did not see any of the Bates Tufts game but just looking at the box score they seem dreadful this year. Best of luck to them getting a win this season.



Tufts 2 Colby 1

Thinking this one could get away from Tufts traveling up to Maine and looking forward to Wes later in the week. Tufts is too superior to Colby to tie/loss but crazier things have happened in Maine.

I like the picks above with two changes 1) Tufts will score 3 vs Colby, and 2) Midd/Conn 1-1 tie.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 12, 2014, 11:53:15 am
Bates is indeed the toughest school to recruit to in Nescac for reasons brought up on this board before. However, I have heard players quitting on this squad including Nick Ford who was a fast winger type player who was decent. If the coach was better or the team was better maybe he would have stuck it out. Flaherty has had 3 recruiting cycles and I SEE NOTHING of substance in any one of them. Usually you can stumble across a player or 2. His GKing is horrible, backs are slow and can be beaten, there is no creativity in midfield and his strikers cannot hold the ball up or beat anyone 1v1. Purgavie might have gotten lazy at the end but he always recruited some decent players. The last one, John Murphy, was an exceptional Nescac player who was maybe the taker of free kicks in the league. I do not see these "game changers" in the current Bates squad.

I did give Shapiro an "A" over the summer and that might have been a mistake but you have to understand the dire straits that Ferrigno left this program in and Shapiro basically turned it around in 2 recruiting classes and made the NCAA's. That in itself is remarkable. The great thing about some turmoil in a team that is winning is that it can be ignored. If Tufts can get by Wesleyan at home and Brandeis on the road they could be 7-0 before Amherst. The game last year between Tufts and Amherst was an absolute sh*t show by Amherst players and Tufts parents and then Amherst parents which in turn became the trigger for the "damn" letter to Nescac parents that has this FOX News and its listeners in a tizzy.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 12, 2014, 12:00:27 pm
This board has been most interesting this season to me...a real novice in understanding the sport....truly.  A city boy with no knowledge of the game...going up to Amherst when the varsity schedule had Harvard and UConn.  Played a bit...no...tried to play.  Had the speed but no skills to speak of. 
Anyway, it is nice ...but still puzzling that so many posters will make "predictions" of the games ahead.
Last night, I discussed some soccer...World Cup games...with two knowledgeable former players.  Wait...I mostly listened.  One, the father of a daughter in law who was an UVA recruited player and the other a player from Holland who is a friend of one of my sons.  Both men played in different systems/ styles.   In short, both men are still puzzled on the outcome of key games.
In short/ summary,  I enjoy the banter and the predictions and may watch more games in the future.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Corazon on September 12, 2014, 12:26:33 pm
Corazon, I'm interested in your impressions on the recruitment trail.  In my experience among a handful of NESCAC coaches Wheeler at Wesleyan was the most responsive.  It is interesting that the schools that tend to be at the top of the NESCAC presumably have the highest hurdles to clear in terms of admissions.  And despite its remote location IMHO Colby is such a desirable school that I would think Colby would do much better.  Bates seems like a slightly tougher sell.

Hi NCAC New England,

I had actually posted an account of what we saw on the recruiting trail over the summer with ratings of the various NESCAC (6 of the 11 recruited him) coaches, but I took it down a few minutes after posting. I was uncomfortable rating peoples' performance when we were only 1 data point and while it is a hobby to most of us on this board, it is a profession for the coaches. I wouldn't like it if some anonymous poster rated by job performance either! 

Wes did not recruit him, but I've met Geoff Wheeler in non soccer settings and he seemed to be a great guy. Have heard good things about him, too.

Enjoy the games this weekend.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Corazon on September 12, 2014, 12:34:51 pm
CAC2424 - spot on.

Love all the experts on this page:

"I laughed out loud at your past coaching ratings giving Shapiro at Tufts an "A" as I knew about their internal turmoil, his personality and his mediocre recruiting ability (but good classes)." - Corazon, Tufts Insider

"The past few years Santos has been injured/out of shape and in and out of the starting lineup. We all know Shapiro can be tough, but the players have to take some responsibility. Last year we noticed Hoppenot randomly not starting and now this year Nakamura." - LaPaz, Santos' nutritionist & mind-reader of coaches

"Tufts 1-1 Colby. Colby looked like an organized unit against Williams, something tufts hasn't faced yet this year. Given the Tufts state of affairs and playing away from home, I think they tie." - SoccerFollower, Somerville Correspondent of Internal Affairs

No, CAC2424 is not right on. His straw man argument claiming posters are saying Williams is better off without Rashid lost all credibility with me. The other points are a matter of debate. If you assume I made the Tufts comment simply by regurgitating other peoples' previous posts, you would be mistaken. However, I am not an insider, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt that everything is hunky dory in the Tufts locker room. They do have a really strong team.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on September 12, 2014, 01:46:37 pm
Much has been made of the loss of Rashid in terms of Williams' potential this year.
Of course, I'm sorry that he's hurt; ACL injuries are tougher than many realize--on the body and on the psyche.
Certainly, he is a good weapon on the field, as he draws attention and keeps defenders busy.
I do wonder how significant the loss is. His 5 goals and 5 assists last year doesn't sound enormous. Perhaps one of the stats gurus here can enlighten me: what is the typical standard for leading scorer/point getter in the NESCAC? Is 15 points on the tip-top end of the spectrum for go-to goal-scorers? If nobody has that info at hand, where's the best place to find it? Thanks, folks.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on September 12, 2014, 02:15:22 pm
Keep in mind that was in 16 games, so while he wasn't tops on the team (although close) he did it in 6 games less than his teammates.  NESCAC.com has all the historical stats, but you have to look at each team. Tops on Wes was 3 & 3 in 16 games.  Amherst had 3 that were more impressive but that was in 20+ games too.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Saint of Old on September 12, 2014, 03:01:30 pm
Depends on the season/team/post season run etc...

For example.
One year our leading goal scorer got 12 goals. Team scored 63. A very very long NCAA run.
The very next season, the leading scorer had 6  goals. Team scored 30. Sweet 16 run.

It really depends as there are many nuances involved.

Both top scorers had amazing years, but you have to judge by personal ratio of team goals/ team offense etc...
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Becks on September 12, 2014, 03:06:57 pm
Much has been made of the loss of Rashid in terms of Williams' potential this year.
Of course, I'm sorry that he's hurt; ACL injuries are tougher than many realize--on the body and on the psyche.
Certainly, he is a good weapon on the field, as he draws attention and keeps defenders busy.
I do wonder how significant the loss is. His 5 goals and 5 assists last year doesn't sound enormous. Perhaps one of the stats gurus here can enlighten me: what is the typical standard for leading scorer/point getter in the NESCAC? Is 15 points on the tip-top end of the spectrum for go-to goal-scorers? If nobody has that info at hand, where's the best place to find it? Thanks, folks.
Best source is the NESCAC website, which has all past years' stats: http://www.nescac.com/sports/msoc/archive I don't think the 2013 stats page has a combined all-team individual stats sheet, so you might have to look at each team's individual stats for that year, but 2012 and earlier stats have combined individual stats pages - eg http://www.nescac.com/sports/msoc/2012-13/stats/CONFLDRS.HTM#conf.wki
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on September 12, 2014, 03:42:31 pm
Thanks for the info/response, guys.
Becks, thanks for the link.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 12, 2014, 04:47:35 pm
I would only look at stats vs nescac teams instead of overall stats. This way weak out of conference schedules(Amherst and Midd) do not blur judgement.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Ommadawn on September 13, 2014, 12:59:06 am
Personally, I thought Flaherty was a very good recruiter - he worked really hard and for a long time and showed a lot of passion in son's recruitment but at the end of the day, my guy picked another school for non-soccer reasons.  He was recruited by the majority of the NESCACs so I got to meet most of the coaches and saw most of their correspondence. No matter what anyone says here, personal experience is that Flaherty is a good recruiter - but you say Bates is apparently not recruiting well, which could very well be (though I still like Knoth and Pereira a lot).

I wonder how much of recruiting a coach can control at a school like Bates?  While a great school, it is in a conference of all great schools, is geographically remote, in a not great town, and was left with little talent by his predecessor. Contrasting Bates with a school like Tufts (large,urban, non-Lac) and a coach in Shapiro who you've praised, I saw a vast difference in personality and effort between the two.  I do recognize it is entirely possible that Shapiro didn't rate my son as highly as the other NESCAC coaches, and maybe he actually makes an effort with guys who he likes but the difference between the two in our personal experience, was vast.

My son's experience with both coaches squares with that of your experience.  My impression is that Bates is in a Catch-22 situation.  They won't be able to recruit better players until they are successful and they won't be successful until they recruit better players.  For the reasons you mentioned (compounded by success on  the field), Tufts is an  easier sell to players.  It appears that Coach Flaherty has to work harder than Coach Shapiro to attract quality players and hard work alone may not be enough to turn the tide in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on September 13, 2014, 06:26:23 pm
LaPaz: "Murrales is due to score soon as well" -- very prescient, as Murrales has a hand in all three Eph goals with two goals and an assist.  Ephs continue to get nice contributions up front from two frosh, highly touted Tom Young, who is a another creative playmaker to go along with Moutenot and Murrales, and Sisco-Tolemeo, who is more of a finisher.  Rashid will of course be missed and his absence will loom particularly large in some of the bigger games yet to be played (Midd, Amherst, Tufts), but so far a lot of different guys are stepping into the void, which is what the Ephs need.  Meanwhile, the Eph defense continues to be very stout, with only 9 SOG allowed through three games. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 13, 2014, 10:15:11 pm
LaPaz: "Murrales is due to score soon as well" -- very prescient, as Murrales has a hand in all three Eph goals with two goals and an assist.  Ephs continue to get nice contributions up front from two frosh, highly touted Tom Young, who is a another creative playmaker to go along with Moutenot and Murrales, and Sisco-Tolemeo, who is more of a finisher.  Rashid will of course be missed and his absence will loom particularly large in some of the bigger games yet to be played (Midd, Amherst, Tufts), but so far a lot of different guys are stepping into the void, which is what the Ephs need.  Meanwhile, the Eph defense continues to be very stout, with only 9 SOG allowed through three games.

Report on middlebury vs Conn. Middlebury 2 Conn 0. Great game in which Conn had the better of it for most of the game but missing two starting forwards couldn't score. Keeper for Middlebury Sydor played great made 3 huge saves. Middlebury scored twice within 5 minutes to strart 2nd half on two Conn hiccups. Glasser Horton and Robinson played well. For Conn Devlin and Mutala played well up front while Punt and Garabedian had great games on back line. Conn had 10 corners to Middleburys 1. Conn played very good game but Middlebury made the most of their 2 chances while Sydor shut the door.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ihidebehindtheinternet on September 14, 2014, 04:51:09 am
Looks like the weekend went as expected. Tufts struggled in Maine (as I expected). Williams appears to have dominated. Bates is still bates.

Want some more color on midd conn and Amherst bowdoin. As for midd conn shots are even but corners complete favore conn. Anyone care to elaborate?

 Amherst bowdoin seems to be slightly favored to Amherst but not by much in what I am sure was a physical battle. Did anyone see the red card? Seems like a tough thing to give in the 90th minute regardless of the situation. Amherst could suffer from it midweek against conn
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 14, 2014, 08:55:40 am
I missed the red card for Amherst.  Was it a for a 2nd yellow or a straight red?  No doubt Amherst is going to be there at the end, but one wonders if they are feeling some pressure after the way season ended past couple of years.  Big emotional displays towards end of Middlebury game and then a red card very late vs Bowdoin.  No doubt Amherst will be there at the end but for now they are impressing as a little on edge and volatile.

I noticed that Hamilton vs Bates ended in a bit of what announcer called a sort of "fracas."  Bates player crashed into Hamilton GK in last minute and a Hamilton defender came in to protect like you would see in a hockey scrum.  Easily could have been a red card or two but ref gave two yellows instead.  Bates is struggling to say the least and no doubt some frustration is showing as Bates has yet to score this season.  Very different vibe watching Colby where their play looks vibrant and almost inspired even though it is likely to be another tough season for them.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 14, 2014, 09:28:27 am
Looks like the weekend went as expected. Tufts struggled in Maine (as I expected). Williams appears to have dominated. Bates is still bates.

Want some more color on midd conn and Amherst bowdoin. As for midd conn shots are even but corners complete favore conn. Anyone care to elaborate?

 Amherst bowdoin seems to be slightly favored to Amherst but not by much in what I am sure was a physical battle. Did anyone see the red card? Seems like a tough thing to give in the 90th minute regardless of the situation. Amherst could suffer from it midweek against conn

CONN vs Mid was a good soccer match not the anticipated ugly brawl.  Conn had decided edge in possession and moved the ball around well and IMHO outplayed Mid.  Don't get me wrong Mid is good team and has size and talent
But Conn had many more opportunities and could not finish mostly due to great game by Mid keeper.  Conn missed Bitchell up top.  Corner kicks usually tell the story of a game and Conn had them all game but Mid as good teams will scored twice quickly ontheir only two good scouting oppotunities.  Conn and Mid are both good teams.  Mid centerbacks are stout. Conn backline was good and Mutala makes things happen for Conn.  Glasser is very good up top for Mid.


Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 14, 2014, 09:50:35 am
Thought about putting this in the National thread but seemed to fit more here.

Almost skipped the trek to Wheaton because of rain forecast (and there was rain), but glad I didn't.

Very good interesting game that was highly competitive with great intensity.  LaPaz was right about a dearth of goals, but I have to believe Wheaton is for real.  And I wouldn't be surprised at all if Wheaton and Wesleyan meet again down the road.  My only concern re: Wheaton is that they have at least a 6 game stretch to end the season that turns out to be the weakest part of their schedule.  They'll have the NEWMAC tournament to challenge them but I wish they had another game like last night later in the schedule.

Wheaton jumped all over Wesleyan early and easily could have scored a couple of times in the first 15-20 minutes.  Wesleyan survived multiple great chances, a couple of them point blank.  Wesleyan gradually settled in and roughly around the time Wes started subbing (22-23 minutes in) the game started tilting more evenly and both teams had a couple of good chances.  A Wes player got in 1 v 1 on the Wheaton GK and was unlucky not to finish.  I was almost expecting the half to end with Wes up a goal after being outplayed pretty significantly for a good portion of the half, and I would have been curious to see how Wheaton handled that.

I thought Wesleyan had a slight advantage as the game wore on in the 2nd half, and a likely scenario seemed to be Wesleyan winning very late in the last 10-15 minutes or OT.  I can see Wesleyan winning a lot of games in just that fashion.  They get stronger the longer the game is still in doubt.  I want to say Wesleyan is deeper but I'm not sure that is true.  Both teams are deep with some outstanding frosh, and both teams are going to better in a few weeks.  The difference was that Wesleyan almost seemed better after they subbed, and Wheeler subbed earlier than Cushing and in the 2nd half basically every 15 minutes he sent 5-6 fresh players in at a time.  Wes played 3 different players at striker and the 3rd one only played for 3-4 minutes each half but looked dangerous.

Wheaton seemed more likely to score from the run of play, and Wes seemed more likely to score off a counter, an odd bounce that they capitalize on, or off a 50 to 60 yard free kick which they looked close to scoring on several times.  If I was a Wes fan, I would like to see more goals as I'm not sure about relying on a string of games 1-0 and/or late in OT (and eventually PKs).  I won't be surprised though if they do start scoring more as a soph and a frosh off the bench look very talented and creative on the offensive end.  Wheaton has some very talented frosh off the bench as well on the offensive end who should be even more threatening with a few more games under their belt.

On balance, a very fair result.  I would expect both teams to have very good seasons.  Both look hungry and both have very good, very experienced coaches.  Good atmosphere but the crowd was not raucous by any stretch.  Didn't see a big advantage for Wheaton in that regard, and Wes had its own sizeable contingent of supporters.  Played on a turf field (not the usual Wheaton field) and not sure who that favored.  I would go see both of these teams play again.

A random observation.  If you looked blindly at Wheaton's roster you easily could mistake it for a NESCAC roster.  Good diversity with a good number of kids from prep backgrounds.  Cushing has a lot of players from New York and NYC.  Very impressed with the quality and range of his recruiting, and in terms of racial mix Wheaton appears significantly more diverse than Wes which I found interesting.  Which led to a random thought that (even though this will never happen) Wheaton would not be a bad addition to the NESCAC.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CAC2424 on September 14, 2014, 11:36:23 am
Conn will roll 3-0 over Amherst on Wed.  Mark it down.

Completely unlucky against Midd.  Outclassed them in every way. Devlin due for huge game- just like Murrales was yesterday.  Huge year for the Camels.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 14, 2014, 01:33:32 pm
Conn will roll 3-0 over Amherst on Wed.  Mark it down.

Completely unlucky against Midd.  Outclassed them in every way. Devlin due for huge game- just like Murrales was yesterday.  Huge year for the Camels.
Cac2424 like your enthusiasm for the camels and they did outplay Mid but unless they can score they will have trouble. Oh and by the way last I heard Amherst is pretty good.  Devlin is good player as is Mutala and I like Kerrs creativity as I do Garabedian down the left side.  Hopefully Bitchell can come back but they need to score and Lord Jeffs will be ready. Should be another good game.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: maineman on September 14, 2014, 01:43:46 pm
Conn will roll 3-0 over Amherst on Wed.  Mark it down.

Completely unlucky against Midd.  Outclassed them in every way. Devlin due for huge game- just like Murrales was yesterday.  Huge year for the Camels.
Too bad the game is at Conn.  Their video broadcast is awful.  The players are the size of insects and you can rarely see the ball.  They have a terrible camera angle and can't zoom in at all.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CAC2424 on September 14, 2014, 02:11:57 pm
Babson all over Williams in first half.  Goal could come any moment,
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CAC2424 on September 14, 2014, 02:13:24 pm
Boom.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 14, 2014, 02:26:51 pm
Soccer games at Conn are in the center of campus...not down towards the athletic  fields.  It's the Camels only football.  Nice location.  School needs to put some resources towards their coverage,IMO.
Will help in their recruitment in the long run.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Corazon on September 14, 2014, 02:43:33 pm
Conn will roll 3-0 over Amherst on Wed.  Mark it down.

Completely unlucky against Midd.  Outclassed them in every way. Devlin due for huge game- just like Murrales was yesterday.  Huge year for the Camels.
Too bad the game is at Conn.  Their video broadcast is awful.  The players are the size of insects and you can rarely see the ball.  They have a terrible camera angle and can't zoom in at all.

I agree. Was really looking forward to this game and tried watching for awhile but it was unwatchable due to the Conn broadcast from one camera angle the entire game (with no sound). I enjoyed the HD broadcast of Bates - Hamilton (I reluctantly agree with this board that Bates is in for another long season) and the surprisingly competitive and entertaining Tufts - Colby game (Colby has basically the same players, but  plays like a different team - kudos to the coaching staff). Looked forward to watching the Wesleyan-Wheaton game but wife threatened divorce so missed that one.  Sounds like it was all it was expected to be.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Corazon on September 14, 2014, 02:45:31 pm
Conn will roll 3-0 over Amherst on Wed.  Mark it down.

Completely unlucky against Midd.  Outclassed them in every way. Devlin due for huge game- just like Murrales was yesterday.  Huge year for the Camels.

I like your passion and enthusiasm for Conn but there is 0.0% chance of your prediction coming true. This is Amherst we're talking about. I expect Amherst to pull this out in a brawl.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CAC2424 on September 14, 2014, 03:27:35 pm
Final in Williamstown.  Babson looked good.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 14, 2014, 05:59:42 pm
Babson was sh*t...10 men behind the ball, they might have had 3 shots on net all day. Williams did look extremely tired.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 14, 2014, 06:02:49 pm
Conn has had an edge against Amherst the past 5 years or so. They have beaten them a couple times down at Conn and played them to a dogfight last year in Amherst. I watched Conn v Midd and was impressed by Conn up until the final 3rd. Amherst will be without Nico Pascuel and have traveled all over new england the past few weeks. My guess is they still pull it out
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: FourMoreYears on September 14, 2014, 06:15:59 pm
Babson was sh*t...10 men behind the ball, they might have had 3 shots on net all day. Williams did look extremely tired.

Despite the 3-1 final score, Williams did had a tough match against Trinity on Saturday.
It was a battle, and there is little doubt the poor conditions (rain, wet field) took it's toll too.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 14, 2014, 06:25:15 pm
Wesleyan at Tufts mid-week should be interesting.  Wes also has away games at Williams and Midd later in the season.  Tough schedule, but would be refreshing to see Wes, Midd, or Tufts came out on top this year.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Off Pitch on September 14, 2014, 06:32:05 pm
Babson was sh*t...10 men behind the ball, they might have had 3 shots on net all day. Williams did look extremely tired.

Williams also had only 3 shots on goal.  Babson has now beaten Williams 3 of the last 5 times they have played.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CAC2424 on September 14, 2014, 06:40:19 pm
Babson was sh*t...10 men behind the ball, they might have had 3 shots on net all day. Williams did look extremely tired.

I was talking about the game that was played this afternoon.  Did the Babson goalie even have to make any saves?

I knew LaPaz and nescac1 wouldn't be happy but give credit where credit is due!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Off Pitch on September 14, 2014, 07:29:27 pm
Babson was sh*t...10 men behind the ball, they might have had 3 shots on net all day. Williams did look extremely tired.

Despite the 3-1 final score, Williams did had a tough match against Trinity on Saturday.
It was a battle, and there is little doubt the poor conditions (rain, wet field) took it's toll too.

If we accept the fatigue excuse at face value, it does not bode well for Williams in the conference tournament or in the NCAA (if they make it) given the back to back games necessary in each to advance.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Corazon on September 14, 2014, 08:58:27 pm
La Paz - Thoughts on Russo's replacement at Williams?  I had hoped for Dan Calichman but with the news that he's headed for Toronto FC, that appears unlikely although with the short longevity of MLS coaches, you never know. I saw him a few years ago and he always spoke fondly of Williams and said he missed the four seasons.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 14, 2014, 10:10:29 pm
La Paz - Thoughts on Russo's replacement at Williams?  I had hoped for Dan Calichman but with the news that he's headed for Toronto FC, that appears unlikely although with the short longevity of MLS coaches, you never know. I saw him a few years ago and he always spoke fondly of Williams and said he missed the four seasons.

Fatigue in Nescac tournament and NCAA's is different for the most part as 2 teams are playing two equally tough teams. Williams played Trinity and Babson played the almighty Lesley. Shame on Russo for scheduling them like this. My guess is the new coach will drop Babson all together so 3 out of 5 is done. Babson had good teams with Anderson's son up top(which is how they beat Williams the other two times) but today's Babson is not nearly as good.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 14, 2014, 10:24:35 pm
La Paz - Thoughts on Russo's replacement at Williams?  I had hoped for Dan Calichman but with the news that he's headed for Toronto FC, that appears unlikely although with the short longevity of MLS coaches, you never know. I saw him a few years ago and he always spoke fondly of Williams and said he missed the four seasons.
My guess is Calichman might still be in the running. Who is to say that he will like being an assistant. Wonder what Fran O'Leary is doing right now?
Sullivan is the other top name. The Williams alum and current WNEC coach while more a descendant of Masur at St.John's(he was asst there for a few years) than Russo, he is the perfect age and at a time in his career to move on to better jobs. Sullivan is well liked at WNEC though and he does have family and $$ to consider.

Let us not forget when Amherst opened up in 2007 they low balled the $$$ and it took a lot of decent candidates out of the running. Side note they actually asked Sullivan to interview then but he declined.

Eric Watson will garner an interview. 1997 Williams alum and former head coach at Linfield, SUNY New Paltz, and Utica.

Ur slew of over the age of 55 candidates, D1 retreads, fired coaches, Brits, and HS coaches will apply and waste the money on a postage stamp.

I am sure Russo will have a say on his replacement one way or another
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: nescac1 on September 15, 2014, 09:29:25 am
I had always figured Sullivan was the favorite (and I'd be pretty surprised if Williams ends up paying him less than WNEC, but stranger thing have happened), he's done a lot at WNEC with a much smaller recruiting pool than he would have to work with at Williams, and I think that's only more the case now, since Watson has moved out of coaching and Calichman has moved to MLS, so I'm not sure how interested either would be.  Any of the three would be great picks, and with so many Ephs who have had careers in soccer, I do hope they keep this job in the Russo / Williams family barring just a crazy unexpected ace candidate. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Corazon on September 15, 2014, 09:31:48 am
My guess is Calichman might still be in the running. Who is to say that he will like being an assistant. Wonder what Fran O'Leary is doing right now?
Sullivan is the other top name. The Williams alum and current WNEC coach while more a descendant of Masur at St.John's(he was asst there for a few years) than Russo, he is the perfect age and at a time in his career to move on to better jobs. Sullivan is well liked at WNEC though and he does have family and $$ to consider.

Let us not forget when Amherst opened up in 2007 they low balled the $$$ and it took a lot of decent candidates out of the running. Side note they actually asked Sullivan to interview then but he declined.

Eric Watson will garner an interview. 1997 Williams alum and former head coach at Linfield, SUNY New Paltz, and Utica.

Ur slew of over the age of 55 candidates, D1 retreads, fired coaches, Brits, and HS coaches will apply and waste the money on a postage stamp.

I am sure Russo will have a say on his replacement one way or another

Thanks for your thoughts. As usual, your comment is mixed with good intel and humor. I enjoyed your second to last sentence mixing Brits with fired coaches and HS coaches.  :)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CAC2424 on September 15, 2014, 09:37:48 am
Hey LaPaz, any idea if Derek Russo would be a candidate?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bucket on September 15, 2014, 10:14:10 am
Conn will roll 3-0 over Amherst on Wed.  Mark it down.

Completely unlucky against Midd.  Outclassed them in every way. Devlin due for huge game- just like Murrales was yesterday.  Huge year for the Camels.

Not exactly "in every way." There's the ole "put-the-ball-in-the-back-of-the-net category" in which the Camels came up short.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 15, 2014, 01:00:07 pm
Conn will roll 3-0 over Amherst on Wed.  Mark it down.

Completely unlucky against Midd.  Outclassed them in every way. Devlin due for huge game- just like Murrales was yesterday.  Huge year for the Camels.

Not exactly "in every way." There's the ole "put-the-ball-in-the-back-of-the-net category" in which the Camels came up short.

Touche Bucket.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 15, 2014, 04:57:55 pm
Hey LaPaz, any idea if Derek Russo would be a candidate?

As much a shot as learning dignity, class and sportsmanship from Justin Serpone and Derek Shea.

I suppose I could go into full detail on every single incident that Amherst has had in the 8 years since Serpone took over, but people are not interested in this kind of stuff. Let's talk about the upcoming games
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 15, 2014, 06:44:06 pm
Bowdoin v Bates-   2-0          Both teams need a win in the worst way. Bowdoin the better team and will win this one. I predict Bates clamps down on defense with 10 behind the ball to try to earn itself a draw. I do not think they get a goal in this game making it 5 games without a goal. What is more likely to happen? Bates scoring a goal or Bowdoin playing everyone on their bench
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 15, 2014, 06:49:42 pm
LaPaz, what do foresee with Wes vs Tufts, Amherst vs Conn, and then Williams vs Amherst?  I'm sensing that Williams and Amherst are still good but perhaps a half-notch down from last year while Wes, Midd, and Tufts are a half-notch better (although I am taking a wait and see approach with Tufts based on what we've already mentioned).  If somewhat accurate, do all 5 of these teams meet somewhere in the middle, and can one of the latter 3 supplant the former?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 15, 2014, 07:09:31 pm
LaPaz, what do foresee with Wes vs Tufts, Amherst vs Conn, and then Williams vs Amherst?  I'm sensing that Williams and Amherst are still good but perhaps a half-notch down from last year while Wes, Midd, and Tufts are a half-notch better (although I am taking a wait and see approach with Tufts based on what we've already mentioned).  If somewhat accurate, do all 5 of these teams meet somewhere in the middle, and can one of the latter 3 supplant the former?

Possibly...BTW excellent recap of Wes and Wheaton. I was looking forward to watching that game online but there was no stream. A lot of factors for your scenario. 

1. Without Rashid can Williams score goals against tough opponents? They are going to need Muralles and Madding to score more than ever this year. They need Westling back on the field.

2. I agree with you as I just do not think Wesleyan has the firepower to score goals consistently. However, this Wesleyan team reminds me of Wesleyan in 2009 when they lost to Univ Rochester in the sweet 16 at Messiah and were leading I believe at the half. The only difference is this Wesleyan team might be deeper but they do not have Purdy in goal. I am not a believer in McConnell as of yet.

3. I really like this Tufts team. I like how they have played so far. They have firepower all over the field and have depth. I Like Greenwood in goal even though I wish he was an inch or two taller. My only issue with them is that physical teams have tended to bother them in the past and out muscle them, can they get a bit more physical without losing there style.

4. Amherst looks good so far. Even though Bull has given up 2 soft goals already, he is the best goalie in Nescac by two times over. With him in net, Amherst can afford to struggle offensively this year and get away with it. I will say it again after Conn, Tufts and Williams their tough games are done.  2W and a D or 2 Draws and a W might get it done. They will still have to play Wesleyan but WNEC is not as good and they always toast Trinity. The rest is cake.

5. Wildcard is Midd. If they beat Bowdoin at home and can beat Williams away, they could do it. I like the new goalie and this kid Horton in midfield is a suprise. Only question mark is their D.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 15, 2014, 08:22:55 pm
Nice job LaPaz.

As I suggested in the Wheaton recap, Wesleyan had a couple of subs, a soph and a frosh, who I think will help them offensively.  Does Wes always play with just one striker?  I think they have the talent to score so I will be curious to see how the next few games go.

To piggyback on your comments about Tufts, I think the question is how fragile are they going to be.  Beyond whether their style will be impact by more physicality, will they also be able to respond and still keep their cool.  And how together is the going to be, and how much will they fight for each other when faced with some diversity?

Bull really is a difference maker.  I'm surprised with such a stout defense that they have been so anemic offensively.  And why did the Amherst kid get a red card?

Is Westling injured?

One thing I didn't mention in the Wheaton-Wesleyan post is that it was surprising that there were no glaring errors in 110 minutes.  It was raining, the ball was often wet and slick, and the field was a bit slippery in the conditions.  I kept expecting a mistake from one of the GKs but none came, and both had to make some tough plays.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 15, 2014, 09:28:34 pm
Wesleyan has played a 4-5-1 and a 4-4-1-1 for a long time.  They usually leave that striker up top isolated and basically sit with 6 and attack with 4. Their 4 are cagey when attacking and sneak up you even when you feel like you are outplaying Wesleyan.

 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on September 16, 2014, 01:14:12 pm
AMan,
Agree with much of your report. I would add that Amherst seemed more interested than usual to keep the ball on the ground in the early stages and then both teams seem to tire late and started launching it. Amherst looks good when they pass and move, much like Bowdoin did in the first half when they played the ball quickly and deftly around the box (after by-passing midfield entirely). Bowdoin finished in a flurry typical of a team running out of time but did not penetrate until the direct kick at the top of the 18 (which Bull rejected convincingly--an important touch for him to answer any shakiness he may have exhibited earlier). I thought the 1-0 win for the Jeffs was a fair result.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 17, 2014, 02:36:12 pm
Tufts v Wesleyan-  2-0      I think Tufts will have more chances but not sure they will capitalize. Wesleyan is at the disadvantage with the mid-week road game but they will clamp down.  All said I feel Tufts is the better team and should win the game.

Conn v Amherst-    0-0      Conn has proven in the past they can win this game. Amherst has not looked as sharp and has been road weary lately. Amherst at the disadvantage with the road travel mid week. This game was a battle last year and ended 0-0, I am expecting more of the same.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on September 17, 2014, 03:40:22 pm
Caught the 2nd half and OTs of the Bowdoin-Bates match up yesterday.  Not even sure how to describe this one other than to say that Bowdoin avoided what could have been a very painful loss, even a tie would have felt like a loss.  Not sure about the first half, but for the 2nd half and beyond Bowdoin had many more opportunities but they just didn't capitalize.  A couple open looks from inside the box that guys sent sailing over the crossbar even though they had time.  This game could have easily been 4-1 in regulation.  Both goalies made some nice saves near the end to stretch the game out as far as possible. 

As for Bates, I really didn't understand what they were trying to do.  With the exception of a few minutes here and there they just kept bombing the ball out of the back even when they had no intended target.  They'd relieve the pressure for 10 seconds and then Bowdoin would be right back on top of them.  I'd understand that a little bit if it was under duress but at least 30-40% of the time they didn't have anybody within 20-30 ft of them.  They didn't even look to move it out of the back and establish some ball control, they just kept bombing away.  Out of pure luck they happened to get one down the middle to Knoth who avoided the defenders and made a great chip over Safian. Their first goal of the year and if they keep giving it right back to the opposing team every time we might have to wait awhile to see #2. 
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on September 17, 2014, 05:36:00 pm
In a completely pedantic post, anybody know how the NESCAC scoreboard works?  Is it a feed sent in from schools?  Just asking because it was bizarre to see 3 games at halftime but each was different on how that was shown.  One was (1st Half - 00:00), another was (Half), and the other said (Halftime).  Seems odd that it wouldn't be consistent across games on the same site.   
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: CacCaptain on September 17, 2014, 06:56:32 pm
Caught the Tufts vs Wesleyan game. A hard fought battle on both sides but 1-0 in OT to Tufts a fair result. Wesleyan had their moments, creating 2 or 3 very dangerous opportunities but Tufts certainly had the better of the play with 21 shots and 5 or 6 clear goal-scoring opportunities.

A midfield battle for a large part of the game, but things opened up towards the end of the second half. Tufts pressed hard in the first OT and finally got one on a perfect corner to the back post from Pinheiro that Patel headed home.

Wesleyan could have stolen a point or even 3 here, but instead Tufts pushes the winning streak to 5. Will be interested to see if they can handle Brandeis on Saturday.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on September 17, 2014, 07:28:03 pm
Not a great webcam view looking directly into the sun the 2nd half but looked like the Wes goalie made some great saves late in the match. Defintely would have gotten the game ball had they held on for the point.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 17, 2014, 08:54:01 pm
Amherst wins in New London, CT...1-0.  No video  Believe the recap is on the Amherst website for those interested.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on September 17, 2014, 10:09:21 pm
Caught the Tufts vs Wesleyan game. A hard fought battle on both sides but 1-0 in OT to Tufts a fair result. Wesleyan had their moments, creating 2 or 3 very dangerous opportunities but Tufts certainly had the better of the play with 21 shots and 5 or 6 clear goal-scoring opportunities.

A midfield battle for a large part of the game, but things opened up towards the end of the second half. Tufts pressed hard in the first OT and finally got one on a perfect corner to the back post from Pinheiro that Patel headed home.

Wesleyan could have stolen a point or even 3 here, but instead Tufts pushes the winning streak to 5. Will be interested to see if they can handle Brandeis on Saturday.

I also caught the game on video. Very good game but the angle of the sun into the camera made some viewing hard. It was a close score and game but Tufts had more chances. Santos and Kayne peppered the Wesleyan goaltender McConnell in OT but he made some great saves.  It was a beautiful header by Patel....A good game representative of the tough NESCAC competition.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 18, 2014, 12:32:01 pm
Amherst wins in New London, CT...1-0.  No video  Believe the recap is on the Amherst website for those interested.

Conn vs. Amherst game was a tale of two halves.  First half Conn looked awful and completely out of sorts and Amherst dominated, but Amherst's goal was the softest goal you will ever see.  Great long throw into the box which Conn's defense let hit the ground (why?) and then no one, and I mean no one on conn defense went to clear the ball and Amherst player easily took two  steps and easily kicked it in.  Amherst is not the  juggernaut of two years ago and not as good as last year as they are young and will get better each game, but they are still a very good team, big and fast and surprisingly playing the ball on the ground.  Conn in the first half tactically (why?) tried to play the long ball over the top which played right into Amherst's strength as they were much bigger than Conn and Conn had zero possession.   Amherst had only one other good scoring opportunity in 1st half and Conn's keeper made a great save.  He also made three great saves in the 2nd half to keep  them in the game.  2nd half Conn decided to play soccer and kept the ball on the ground and played much better, actually playing a possession game, but Amherst keeper Bull (tremendous player) came up big twice.  2nd half was pretty even with a slight edge to Conn as they put Amherst under a lot of pressure the last 20 minutes, but too little too late.  It could've been 0 to 0, but it also could have been 3-0 Amherst if not for the Conn goalie.  Don't know why Conn tried to play the long ball against a bigger team in the first half as that is not Conn's strength....they need to keep the ball on the ground and move it around because they will not be able to out physical a team like Amherst in the air.  Different Amherst team this year, but still very good and with Bull in net they will be in every game and likely win most.  Big game for Amherst coming up with Williams (if I read the schedule right).  Conn has to travel to Hamilton and will have their hands full if they play like they did in the first half.  If they play like they did vs Midd and 2nd half vs Amherst then perhaps they can get a win, but they need to keep the ball on the ground and somehow find a way to score a goal.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: madzillagd on September 18, 2014, 12:59:45 pm
Suprised to hear the high praise of McConnell, he looked VERY shaky when I saw him okay earlier in the season, giving up questionable rebounds and looking suspect on crosses. Glad to see he's coming around.

He played well.  Greenwood was the one that had a shaky play that almost cost Tufts the game.  Decided to charge a ball at the far edge of the box and came up about 5 ft short. Wes player got the shot off and directly on goal but didn't put enough on it and a Tufts player was able to clear it before it reached the goal line.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 18, 2014, 01:19:51 pm
I thought Tufts was the better team on the day, but Wesleyan had one opportunity to steal the game and did not capitalize. The first half literally put me to sleep( Sometimes I wonder if that is Wesleyan's game plan) but the 2nd half and OT was exciting and Tufts could have won the game 3-0 if not for some stellar goalkeeping by McConnell. Great header to win it. Tufts deserved it. Sidenote---The ref Bahji Salmon who also does D1 games was a nightmare. He has gotten so out of shape and has such a ego and was barely keeping up with the play.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 18, 2014, 01:41:51 pm
Predictions Sat 9-20-2014:

Amherst v Williams- 1-0   Amherst is not quite as dangerous as last year and is struggling to score goals, but so is the whole league. Amherst has an edge against Williams in the regular season and this is their home opener. Williams after a lackluster performance against Babson should be well rested. Amherst has been travelling for 2 weeks and at some point you figure this will hit them. I feel if Amherst can shut down Muralles, Williams will have a tough time scoring on Bull. Alcorn has still not been tested enough in goal for Williams for me to believe he will not be nervous in this game. Both teams will have there chances but I think Amherst gets a goal on a set piece and will win.

Hamilton v Conn-  1-2   Hamilton has played well to start the year, but has not played anyone of significance yet. They play well at home and will try to come out and score against Conn. Conn needs a win and cannot afford to sit in a shell and whack long balls( Someone said they did this against Amherst). They are skilled enough with O'Brien, Mutala and Weller Himenez( noticed he played against Amherst) to build a quality attack.

Bates v Wesleyan- 0-2     Wesleyan is struggling offensively and are a road weary team right now. Perfect time to play Bates. Wesleyan should be able to break that scoreless streak here and get rolling again. I feel like Wesleyan has about 13-15 of the same type of players, which allows for depth and subbing but does not allow for dangerous chances throughout the game. They need to capitalize on the chances that they get and will do so at Bates. I see Issiroff and Bravo getting goals.

Trinity v Colby- 1-0      I think Colby is playing much more organized defensively then I have seen them play in years. The problem is they are still anemic on offense. Trinity is better than there 0-1-1 conference record suggests. They have a mix of skill, toughness and speed. I like this team as a sleeper later on in the season.

Brandeis v Tufts- 1-2    Tufts is for real and for some reason I feel they will play exceptionally well on Brandeis' turf. Brandeis is a bit overrated and has beaten no one yet. 5-0 against Hobart is impressive but Tufts will give them a game. Tufts will get up for this one and if they get by them and MIT later on the week, we will have a HUGE showdown with Tufts v Amherst next weekend that could decide the league. 

Midd v Bowdoin-  0-0   Ping-pong match. More goals or injuries in this one?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on September 19, 2014, 10:55:07 am
Predictions Sat 9-20-2014:

Amherst v Williams- 1-0   Amherst is not quite as dangerous as last year and is struggling to score goals, but so is the whole league. Amherst has an edge against Williams in the regular season and this is their home opener. Williams after a lackluster performance against Babson should be well rested. Amherst has been travelling for 2 weeks and at some point you figure this will hit them. I feel if Amherst can shut down Muralles, Williams will have a tough time scoring on Bull. Alcorn has still not been tested enough in goal for Williams for me to believe he will not be nervous in this game. Both teams will have there chances but I think Amherst gets a goal on a set piece and will win.

Hamilton v Conn-  1-2   Hamilton has played well to start the year, but has not played anyone of significance yet. They play well at home and will try to come out and score against Conn. Conn needs a win and cannot afford to sit in a shell and whack long balls( Someone said they did this against Amherst). They are skilled enough with O'Brien, Mutala and Weller Himenez( noticed he played against Amherst) to build a quality attack.

Bates v Wesleyan- 0-2     Wesleyan is struggling offensively and are a road weary team right now. Perfect time to play Bates. Wesleyan should be able to break that scoreless streak here and get rolling again. I feel like Wesleyan has about 13-15 of the same type of players, which allows for depth and subbing but does not allow for dangerous chances throughout the game. They need to capitalize on the chances that they get and will do so at Bates. I see Issiroff and Bravo getting goals.

Trinity v Colby- 1-0      I think Colby is playing much more organized defensively then I have seen them play in years. The problem is they are still anemic on offense. Trinity is better than there 0-1-1 conference record suggests. They have a mix of skill, toughness and speed. I like this team as a sleeper later on in the season.

Brandeis v Tufts- 1-2    Tufts is for real and for some reason I feel they will play exceptionally well on Brandeis' turf. Brandeis is a bit overrated and has beaten no one yet. 5-0 against Hobart is impressive but Tufts will give them a game. Tufts will get up for this one and if they get by them and MIT later on the week, we will have a HUGE showdown with Tufts v Amherst next weekend that could decide the league. 

Midd v Bowdoin-  0-0   Ping-pong match. More goals or injuries in this one?
LaPaz,
Great job with these forecasts, always with a keen insight into NESCAC soccer and IMHO always objective on both positive and negatives WRT this conference +k !!!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 19, 2014, 01:02:10 pm
LaPaz, I understand your instinct on Tufts @ Brandeis and you may well be right.  This is an interesting one to me.  Brandeis needs to win this one (more than Tufts does), mostly to get them over a psychological hurdle if they find themselves vs NESCAC teams at the round of 32, sweet 16 and/or elite 8 stages.  In theory one would think playing all of the UAA teams would be good prep for going against top NESCAC foes in the tournament, but I think there is something about clearing the mental hurdle against noted rivals in your own region, so for that reason getting a result or results against Rochester, Emory, Wash U, etc may not entirely translate.  And from a fan's point of view, I don't think we really know how a Williams would do vs a OWU or a Tufts or Brandeis against a Kenyon, Amherst vs a Loras, Wesleyan or Midd vs a Wheaton (Ill) or Hope, and also why I wish we saw these kind of matchups occasionally in the early season when many teams tend to travel a bit....or like some Centennials vs NESCACs or some Liberty League's vs a few NCAC's, etc.

BTW, I think Wheaton (MA) has a similar dynamic to Brandeis in terms of getting over hurdles in anticipation of a tourney run.  I could see Wheaton getting a huge win against some out of region power but having a harder psychological time getting past an Amherst or Williams.  It just takes one or two breakthrough games, though, to get past that.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 19, 2014, 01:18:06 pm
LaPaz, I understand your instinct on Tufts @ Brandeis and you may well be right.  This is an interesting one to me.  Brandeis needs to win this one (more than Tufts does), mostly to get them over a psychological hurdle if they find themselves vs NESCAC teams at the round of 32, sweet 16 and/or elite 8 stages.  In theory one would think playing all of the UAA teams would be good prep for going against top NESCAC foes in the tournament, but I think there is something about clearing the mental hurdle against noted rivals in your own region, so for that reason getting a result or results against Rochester, Emory, Wash U, etc may not entirely translate.  And from a fan's point of view, I don't think we really know how a Williams would do vs a OWU or a Tufts or Brandeis against a Kenyon, Amherst vs a Loras, Wesleyan or Midd vs a Wheaton (Ill) or Hope, and also why I wish we saw these kind of matchups occasionally in the early season when many teams tend to travel a bit....or like some Centennials vs NESCACs or some Liberty League's vs a few NCAC's, etc.

BTW, I think Wheaton (MA) has a similar dynamic to Brandeis in terms of getting over hurdles in anticipation of a tourney run.  I could see Wheaton getting a huge win against some out of region power but having a harder psychological time getting past an Amherst or Williams.  It just takes one or two breakthrough games, though, to get past that.

Good point regarding Brandeis and Wheaton.  I believe you are spot on, however this may be the year both Brandeis and Wheaton break through as they both have talented teams this year who have been in the mix and tournament the past few years and may be ready to make their mark against the NESCAC and others.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ihidebehindtheinternet on September 19, 2014, 01:59:35 pm
Bowdoin 0 Midd 1

Bowdoin has been struggling as of late (OT against Bates). Midd’s sophomore’s do not appear to be in any sort of slump. This game is going to be very direct on a field that is way too big for that. It’s going to be ugly.

Conn 1 Hamilton 0

Conn seems to be a legit 4th or 5th this year. Hamilton hasn’t proven anything yet to me.

Wesleyan 2 Bates 0

Bates, you had your chance in the middle of the week to get a lucky point against a sleepy Bowdoin team. Doubt they sniff the goal here.

Colby 1 Trinity 1

Haven’t seen or heard much about either team so far.  So just going off that each team has been fairly easily beaten by Williams, I’ll call it a tie.

Williams 0 Amherst 0

The million door question: is the ball in the air or on the ground more? Any of the NESCAC bball commentators want to make a line? Think Amherst dictates the play here but will continue their offensive struggles. Williams will get their chances but Bull is too good to let in anymore shaky goals this year.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 20, 2014, 04:56:44 pm
Amherst beats Williams at Home...4-1.  It was 2-1 at the half, Amherst.  Both schools start to clear their bench late in the 2nd.  Surprisingly, Williams changed its goalie first in the 2nd...to a freshman, while Amherst went to a senior much later.  Expect two more encounter this season in the conference between the arch rivals.  Saw only the 2nd half..but it seems Amherst got behind the Ephs to easily.   
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on September 20, 2014, 08:37:24 pm
According to the recap, this 4-1 drubbing is historic in the Jeffs v Ephs story. Not since 1933 has Williams let in 4 Amherst tallies. The regular season rivalry has belonged to The Jeffs since Serpone took office. It'll be interesting, as usual, to see if the NCAA picture will focus in the Jeffs' favor this year. Meanwhile Amherst can enjoy this solid and comfortable victory.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 20, 2014, 11:52:02 pm
Bowdoin 0 Midd 1

Bowdoin has been struggling as of late (OT against Bates). Midd’s sophomore’s do not appear to be in any sort of slump. This game is going to be very direct on a field that is way too big for that. It’s going to be ugly.

Conn 1 Hamilton 0

Conn seems to be a legit 4th or 5th this year. Hamilton hasn’t proven anything yet to me.

Wesleyan 2 Bates 0[/b


Report on Conn Vs Hamilton on a beautiful but very windy day in Cinton NY. Tale of two halves. Hamilton had the wind in first half and had the edge but no good scoring g opportunities. Conn was awarded a PK in 1st half as Mutala was taken down in the box from behind (easy and correct pk call) but Hamilton keeper made the pk SAVE---HUGE.  2nd half Conn had the wind and controlled the play. Conn had a few good chances but Hamilton keeper played well.  With 2 minutes to play on Conn corner kick Garabedian placed a tremendous service onto Punt's head pretty goal from set piece. Not a pretty game but both teams competed well. Mutala and Devlin played well up front fir Conn while Flippen Punt and Garabedian played well in back.  For Hamilton Kraynak and Geslin played well up front and Reynolds and keeper played well in back. I was impressed with Hamilton.  They will be in every game this year. Conn has big week coming up with Coast Guard on Tuesday and Williams on Saturday.





WilliCAC bball commentators want to mawill continue their offensive struggles. Williams will get their chances but Bull is too good to let in anymore shaky goals this year.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on September 21, 2014, 07:47:24 am
Amherst beats Williams at Home...4-1.  It was 2-1 at the half, Amherst.  Both schools start to clear their bench late in the 2nd.  Surprisingly, Williams changed its goalie first in the 2nd...to a freshman, while Amherst went to a senior much later.  Expect two more encounter this season in the conference between the arch rivals.  Saw only the 2nd half..but it seems Amherst got behind the Ephs to easily.   
amh63,
Tuned into LJ/Williams match yesterday.  Broadcast was really well done, (video looks to have been taken from opposite side of pitch vs previous years), excellent video quality on the stream, and great camera work!! 
The Lord Jeffs had a decided advantage yesterday, with Pascual-Leone and Martin looking very comfortable and technically competent on the ball.  Justin Aoyama looks to be a very good young player. Thomas Bull... well was Thomas Bull!!! Barring any injuries this year, it looks as if Amherst will comfortably breeze to another NESCAC title and into NCAAs, as I see the LJ just getting even better as the season progresses
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 21, 2014, 08:25:13 am
Sunday's Heroes and Zeroes:

Heroes:

1. Amherst- They are the team to beat in New England and have been instilling fear into opponents in New England since 2010. Hmm I remember when Williams used to do that. They finished their chances yesterday and were better on the counter attack than Williams was.

2. Zach Punt- Excellent GW goal and near post run on a corner kick in the 88th minute. No better feeling than that and helped Conn enjoy that 6 hour bus ride.

3. Greg Sydor- Another nescac shutout in the books.

4. Adam Glaser- No sophomore slump here. He has picked up where he left off last year and is finishing his chances.

5. Christopher Martin- Excellent game from him yesterday looking dangerous in attack and finishing his chances. His speed was causing Williams backline problems all day. Also, excellent pressure on Williams D' causing a couple giveaways

6. Hamilton announcers- Funny, entertaining, knowledgeable.

Zeroes:

1. Williams- They had their chances but could not finish them. My biggest worry for them is they looked "soft". They were pulling out of tackles and not running thru the ball. Their backline looked unsure of themselves and were making some mistakes under high pressure. They will improve but their schedule ahead looks a bit daunting.

2. Tufts- They went to the Williams' school of finishing last night. They had a couple golden opportunities to score but shot wide, shot high or shot at the Brandeis' Keeper. They have a tougher schedule ahead than Williams.

3. Brandeis video stream- I sat thru 80 uneventful minutes of Brandeis v Tufts and then the stream freezes. Missed Brandeis' 2 goals.

4. Bates- 25-3 shots against. 3 SHOTS. Thank god Newbury is on the schedule.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on September 21, 2014, 08:27:49 am
Sunday's Heroes and Zeroes:

Heroes:

1. Amherst- They are the team to beat in New England and have been instilling fear into opponents in New England since 2010. Hmm I remember when Williams used to do that. They finished their chances yesterday and were better on the counter attack than Williams was.

2. Zach Punt- Excellent GW goal and near post run on a corner kick in the 88th minute. No better feeling than that and helped Conn enjoy that 6 hour bus ride.

3. Greg Sydor- Another nescac shutout in the books.

4. Adam Glaser- No sophomore slump here. He has picked up where he left off last year and is finishing his chances.

5. Christopher Martin- Excellent game from him yesterday looking dangerous in attack and finishing his chances. His speed was causing Williams backline problems all day. Also, excellent pressure on Williams D' causing a couple giveaways

6. Hamilton announcers- Funny, entertaining, knowledgeable.

Zeroes:

1. Williams- They had their chances but could not finish them. My biggest worry for them is they looked "soft". They were pulling out of tackles and not running thru the ball. Their backline looked unsure of themselves and were making some mistakes under high pressure. They will improve but their schedule ahead looks a bit daunting.

2. Tufts- They went to the Williams' school of finishing last night. They had a couple golden opportunities to score but shot wide, shot high or shot at the Brandeis' Keeper. They have a tougher schedule ahead than Williams.

3. Brandeis video stream- I sat thru 80 uneventful minutes of Brandeis v Tufts and then the stream freezes. Missed Brandeis' 2 goals.

4. Bates- 25-3 shots against. 3 SHOTS. Thank god Newbury is on the schedule.
EXCELLENT!!!!!
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: amh63 on September 21, 2014, 12:06:39 pm
ECSU...nice to hear from you!  Been reading your post elsewhere.  Hope you and yours are well.
Anyway...yes the young Aoyama is a talent...his older brother was an All-American Pick last year in his senior year.  This year with a longer haircut, he has been playing on the back line.  The Amherst team...a deep team...has been looking for finishers to date.  Glad they broke out yesterday against their arch rival.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ECSUalum on September 21, 2014, 01:29:38 pm
amh63,
Thanks, right back at you!!
Must be fun to be a LJ alum, ie all the great athletics coming out of Amherst College, (men and women).  Football-Soccer, then Basketball, you really must look forward to Fall/Winter!!!  Class of the NESCAC in my book :)
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: blooter442 on September 21, 2014, 08:43:28 pm
LaPaz, I understand your instinct on Tufts @ Brandeis and you may well be right.  This is an interesting one to me.  Brandeis needs to win this one (more than Tufts does), mostly to get them over a psychological hurdle if they find themselves vs NESCAC teams at the round of 32, sweet 16 and/or elite 8 stages.  In theory one would think playing all of the UAA teams would be good prep for going against top NESCAC foes in the tournament, but I think there is something about clearing the mental hurdle against noted rivals in your own region, so for that reason getting a result or results against Rochester, Emory, Wash U, etc may not entirely translate.  And from a fan's point of view, I don't think we really know how a Williams would do vs a OWU or a Tufts or Brandeis against a Kenyon, Amherst vs a Loras, Wesleyan or Midd vs a Wheaton (Ill) or Hope, and also why I wish we saw these kind of matchups occasionally in the early season when many teams tend to travel a bit....or like some Centennials vs NESCACs or some Liberty League's vs a few NCAC's, etc.

BTW, I think Wheaton (MA) has a similar dynamic to Brandeis in terms of getting over hurdles in anticipation of a tourney run.  I could see Wheaton getting a huge win against some out of region power but having a harder psychological time getting past an Amherst or Williams.  It just takes one or two breakthrough games, though, to get past that.

As a Brandeis alum who was at the game, I am glad that they won. However, objectively, it was definitely a competitive game, and I think there's a lot to think about afterwards, particularly after speaking to Coach Coven after the game.

In summary, Tufts was the better team the entire first half, in shots and everything. However, aside from the one Santos chance (which Graffy saved and held) they really didn't ever look like scoring (though the hosts did look like conceding a few times.) Brandeis would have definitely been happier with 0-0 at half.

The second half saw a major shift. Ocel got a left-footer off that worked the 'keeper, before Soboff hit the post and headed wide (probably should have scored) from the subsequent corner. Tufts got in once but Majumder tried to go outside of the boot and missed wide right, which was their best chance of the night. Soon after, Brandeis scored on a corner that Tufts failed to clear, as Soboff sent the ball into the middle where Lynch knocked it home. Tufts had a chance from the kickoff but, aside from that, didn't threaten much the rest of the game, as Savonen hit the post 1-v-1 (his shot rolled along the line before going out) before Vieira iced it 1-v-1 with just over 2 minutes left.

I would say that, on the day, Tufts was probably the better side for more of the game. However, despite being outshot, Brandeis created the better chances: of its six shots, two were goals, two hit the post, one was a sitter that should've been a goal, and one was a great save by Greenwood. Tufts, meanwhile, had the Majumder chance and the chance right after going 1-0 down, but didn't really create any other clear-cut chances.

After the game, Coven made an interesting point that, I think, summarizes up Brandeis' play versus the NESCAC. The top NESCAC teams are, in addition to being highly skilled, very physical and direct. UAA teams, on the other hand, play—generally speaking—more of a possession-based, technical game. Without bringing into the grass vs. turf debate (Brandeis lost at Tufts and at Amherst vs. Williams in the NCAA Tournament,) Brandeis struggled last year with its NESCAC opponents' physicality by trying to play them with their possession-based approach. However, in addition to having the advantage of being on turf last night, Brandeis played a lot more direct in the second half and moved Soboff—who is a skillful yet physical player—from striker to midfield, which ultimately resulted in them creating the better (albeit fewer) chances and winning the game. Regardless, beating Tufts will give Brandeis a big psychological boost.

I know that the outcome of every game is dependent on a number of factors and incidents, but I thought that was an interesting point regarding the quoted post.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Corazon on September 21, 2014, 09:09:17 pm
Interesting post, blooter442. Most NESCACs, and all types of college soccer teams in general, are indeed direct. Your observation about the UAA being possession based is interesting as the one who recruited my son aggressively mentioned his technical skills as being the reason he caught their eye. I don't think he got such feedback from the NESCACs. Not sure this means anything at all, but is interesting to me.

Question for the forum - which NESCAC team is the most possession based in your memory?  This year, as well as the past. Not sure if I see any this year - maybe Tufts, maybe Williams.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 21, 2014, 09:13:42 pm
Great post blooter442.  Excellent analysis.  And given what you wrote and recent NCAA results it is critical that Brandeis figure out a style or compromise (if they can) that gives them a chance if facing a Amherst or Williams or Tufts or Midd down the road.  And I agree with the psychology.  Although perhaps a bit muted knowing that they didn't really outclass Tufts, getting the win is still big.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 22, 2014, 09:32:16 am
Interesting post, blooter442. Most NESCACs, and all types of college soccer teams in general, are indeed direct. Your observation about the UAA being possession based is interesting as the one who recruited my son aggressively mentioned his technical skills as being the reason he caught their eye. I don't think he got such feedback from the NESCACs. Not sure this means anything at all, but is interesting to me.

Question for the forum - which NESCAC team is the most possession based in your memory?  This year, as well as the past. Not sure if I see any this year - maybe Tufts, maybe Williams.

Good point and question Corazon.  NESCAC overall definitely plays a more direct style, which I believe is driven  by the coaches.   I know the players would much rather play an on the ground short passing "tica tacka" possession game, but are mostly ordered  to send it long to the forwards or to the corner.  I believe this mostly direct style limits the NESCAC's once they get to the NCAA's as eventually you will run into teams just as big, fast and physical and yet these other teams can also play the possession game and that is when the NESCAC's run into trouble in the NCAA.  I would say for the last four years the most possession oriented team each year was Wesleyan---they like to play soccer and it's a fun game to watch rather than the rugby brawling knock'em over style of most of the rest of the league.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 22, 2014, 10:31:54 am
Interesting post, blooter442. Most NESCACs, and all types of college soccer teams in general, are indeed direct. Your observation about the UAA being possession based is interesting as the one who recruited my son aggressively mentioned his technical skills as being the reason he caught their eye. I don't think he got such feedback from the NESCACs. Not sure this means anything at all, but is interesting to me.

Question for the forum - which NESCAC team is the most possession based in your memory?  This year, as well as the past. Not sure if I see any this year - maybe Tufts, maybe Williams.

Good point and question Corazon.  NESCAC overall definitely plays a more direct style, which I believe is driven  by the coaches.   I know the players would much rather play an on the ground short passing "tica tacka" possession game, but are mostly ordered  to send it long to the forwards or to the corner.  I believe this mostly direct style limits the NESCAC's once they get to the NCAA's as eventually you will run into teams just as big, fast and physical and yet these other teams can also play the possession game and that is when the NESCAC's run into trouble in the NCAA.  I would say for the last four years the most possession oriented team each year was Wesleyan---they like to play soccer and it's a fun game to watch rather than the rugby brawling knock'em over style of most of the rest of the league.

U people have no clue..the most possession style team for the past 20 years is Williams. what are you watching
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 22, 2014, 10:33:37 am
If Wesleyan's style is fun to watch, your entertainment value is pretty weak. Wesleyan doesn't whack the ball but they are very defensive and sit 4 to 5 deep in the back. They can put you to sleep on a good day. I am not arguing the results they have had but cmon
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: blooter442 on September 22, 2014, 11:46:11 am
Good point and question Corazon.  NESCAC overall definitely plays a more direct style, which I believe is driven  by the coaches.   I know the players would much rather play an on the ground short passing "tica tacka" possession game, but are mostly ordered  to send it long to the forwards or to the corner.  I believe this mostly direct style limits the NESCAC's once they get to the NCAA's as eventually you will run into teams just as big, fast and physical and yet these other teams can also play the possession game and that is when the NESCAC's run into trouble in the NCAA.  I would say for the last four years the most possession oriented team each year was Wesleyan---they like to play soccer and it's a fun game to watch rather than the rugby brawling knock'em over style of most of the rest of the league.

While I will be the first to admit that I don't know a ton about the current NESCAC teams, I very much agree with your sentiment that teams relying too heavily on directness can find themselves outmatched when in the NCAA Tournament. As I previously stated, Brandeis ran into trouble last year in games against Tufts in the regular season and Williams in the NCAAs when trying to play with their default possession-based style, but this year found greater success against Tufts after they started to play direct in the second half of their 2-0 win. Even though Tufts was the better and more physical team for the first hour of this year's game, their lack of incisiveness with the ball in the final third throughout the game resulted in them creating few chances to score, which was exacerbated once Brandeis became more physical; in the second half, the Brandeis players made a conscious effort to play more direct, which, combined with their natural inclination to possess the ball, resulted in them creating the better chances and scoring the goals. Regardless, I recognize that each game is different, and that any team can win on any given day, so this single game is by no means a comprehensive assessment of the relationship between direct play and possession.

As far as which team is most possession-based, I would personally say that, in previous years, Williams was the most possession-based team I saw. However, I haven't seen enough of the NESCAC this year to make an educated statement regarding the current state of the League.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 22, 2014, 12:58:00 pm
If Wesleyan's style is fun to watch, your entertainment value is pretty weak. Wesleyan doesn't whack the ball but they are very defensive and sit 4 to 5 deep in the back. They can put you to sleep on a good day. I am not arguing the results they have had but cmon

LaPaz since my NESCAC history only goes back six years I cannot comment on the Williams teams from 20+ years ago, and bowing to your experience/seniority I'm sure you are correct in your comparison.  That said, over the last 4 or 5 years IMHO Wesleyan plays the most possession oriented on the ground game in the NESCAC.  Is it defensive and counter attacking...sure....can it put you to sleep...perhaps, but that's what a possession style will sometimes do (unless your Barcelona) to both the fan, but also the opponent (leading to those counter attack Wesleyan goals).   Never said they were the best team or the most entertaining/explosive offensively, but Wesleyan plays soccer on the ground and from this fans perspective I'd rather watch that than "bombs away" direct to the forwards and giving away possession.  Wesleyan also allows it's opponent to play the ball on the ground and speaking from the opponent players view point they would rather do that then the direct over the top typical NESCAC offensive style were every ball/long pass is a 50/50 ball.  I wish more teams in the NESCAC would play a more possession oriented skillful (of the mind) on the ground game then the "track meet run you over long ball" which typically goes on each week in the NESCAC.  Not arguing this style gets results, but not my preferred cup of tea.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 22, 2014, 02:18:46 pm
Wesleyan has skilled players in the midfield...Issiroff, Souza, Bravo, etc but heir backs and especially their wing backs are not possessing the ball. They will whack the ball, not as much as the worst culprits(Midd, Amherst, Bowdoin) but under pressure their wingbacks(Toulette, Rubenstein are their weakest link) will whack it. Why else would Wheeler be starting a frosh Chin at wingback..his natural position is striker.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 22, 2014, 03:35:56 pm
Wesleyan has skilled players in the midfield...Issiroff, Souza, Bravo, etc but heir backs and especially their wing backs are not possessing the ball. They will whack the ball, not as much as the worst culprits(Midd, Amherst, Bowdoin) but under pressure their wingbacks(Toulette, Rubenstein are their weakest link) will whack it. Why else would Wheeler be starting a frosh Chin at wingback..his natural position is striker.

Don't disagree.  Perhaps this years Wesleyan addition isn't as skillful on the outside backs as some of their prior teams.  Chin at wingback is getting your better players on the field, and as you know well many high school/club/DAP forwards and attacking mids are slotted to outside back in college for just such reason as they are good on the ball and calm under pressure and able to build some offense out of the back.  Wesleyan is losing some of their back line to graduation next year so they have to start preparing someone back there.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on September 23, 2014, 04:50:42 pm
Wesleyan has skilled players in the midfield...Issiroff, Souza, Bravo, etc but heir backs and especially their wing backs are not possessing the ball. They will whack the ball, not as much as the worst culprits(Midd, Amherst, Bowdoin) but under pressure their wingbacks(Toulette, Rubenstein are their weakest link) will whack it. Why else would Wheeler be starting a frosh Chin at wingback..his natural position is striker.

Don't disagree.  Perhaps this years Wesleyan addition isn't as skillful on the outside backs as some of their prior teams.  Chin at wingback is getting your better players on the field, and as you know well many high school/club/DAP forwards and attacking mids are slotted to outside back in college for just such reason as they are good on the ball and calm under pressure and able to build some offense out of the back.  Wesleyan is losing some of their back line to graduation next year so they have to start preparing someone back there.

I would have to say that Tufts or Williams play more possession style, however, Amherst seems to have lately played more possession that usual.  Of course, a lot of that depends on your midfielders and their talents and vision.....
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 23, 2014, 08:02:12 pm
Bates down 2-0 at half vs Maine Maritime.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 23, 2014, 09:21:19 pm
They are an absolute embarrassment for Nescac. If they go 0-10 in Nescac it might be enough to send Stewart Flaherty packing
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 24, 2014, 03:47:21 pm
Bates down 2-0 at half vs Maine Maritime.
Report on Conn 0 Coast Guard 1.  Same as Middlebry game with the same result.  Conn dominated game and possession yet couldnt score again.  Coast Guard scored on a quick counter attack off a Conn corner as Conn had everyone in the box and service was cleared quickly and long to CG forward who was all by himself and he struck a great shot from 30 yards out and beat the keeper who was caught off his line. This was CGs only scoring opportunity and threat and they scored.  Conn was missing forwards Mutala O'brien and still no Hermoniz yet.  All out for yesterdays game.  Conn is having problems in the final third and somehow has to find a way to score if it somehow wants to get a result vs Williams on Saturday.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: MENESCACFAN on September 24, 2014, 04:29:20 pm
MIDWEEK REVIEW

UNE 0 Bowdoin 2

Bowdoin seem to lack some of the toughness seen on previous years, but the winger Jones is a tremendous player.  Pretty standard win that was expected, with lively freshman Di Stefano netting.  I think Di Stefano has a bright future in the conference.

Coast Guard 1 Conn College 0

Very surprising result.  Ken Murphy is a tremendous recruiter and motivator, and I believe every year will see Conn make the break up the league.  Must be disheartening, but expect the Camels to bounce back.   Hilmonaz injured but looked a blaze of energy in the early fall last season.

Colby 2 USM 0

Colby continue the trend of winning out of conference and losing in conference that goes back over 2 years.  From my knowledge, USM is among weaker out of conference foes NESCAC teams face.  Not many players on Colby grab the eye outside of defender Stanton.

Middlebury 3 Colby-Sawyer 0

Watched second half of this game.  Fully believe sophomore forward Glaser is the conference's best player.  Dominant win for a resurgent squad (remember when Saward was finished in some eyes).

RPI 1 Williams 1

Can only imagine this is a good result for RPI, as Williams a good squad despite the surprising Amherst beating.  Freshman forward Sisco-Tolomeo one to keep an eye on. Shows Russo will not go the Sir Alex Ferguson route of leaving cupboard bare for successor.

Bates 0 MMA 2

Tough times for the Bobcats despite a 30-6 advantage in shots, surprising given some of the talent on the roster.  Sophomore Knot has 8 career goals and midfielder Moyo was a scholarship player at Creighton.  Flaherty coaching for his future.

Hamilton 2 Utica 1

Late winner lifts Continentals to a win.  Seen this squad twice, and Nizzi infuses a wonderful energy into the group.  2 goal scorer and all-NESCAC striker Kraynak started his Hamilton career as a defender.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Corazon on September 24, 2014, 04:44:14 pm
Nice summary, MENESCACFAN. Hope to see more posts from you.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 24, 2014, 04:50:11 pm
How can the conferences best player have no left foot. Lets see what Midd does the rest of the way. They are better than last year because of GK. Still have to go to Trinty, Williams and Hamilton. Tufts and Wes at home.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: MENESCACFAN on September 24, 2014, 05:21:30 pm
How can the conferences best player have no left foot.

Many said David Beckham had no left foot, and Maradona no right, they played much bette revel than NESCAC so maybe it could be the case?  I am going on game impact I have seen admitting I don't see very game, we can all pick flaws in very player in the conference.  Surely better debate to say who you think is best, rather than shoot down another?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 24, 2014, 05:57:47 pm
ok...glasor is good but not the best..also you are comparing Glasor to everyone else and doing so while watching Colby Sawyer(one of the worst teams in new england).  Midd's out of conference schedule should be held against them. It is beyond WEAK. Santos, Rashid and Bull have the most impact. Conrad might be better than Glasor,
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: MENESCACFAN on September 24, 2014, 06:19:14 pm
No I am not, I have watched Glaser 5 times now, I am aware there are better teams than Colby-Sawyer.  Rashid is a fantastic player but deadly we won't see him this fall, and he missed a portion of last fall.  He is certainly worth debate though.  Santos was the best freshman I have seen but is defensively lazy, drifts out of tough games and has regressed every year.

Top 5 in order for me.

1 - Glaser (Midd)
2 - Rashid (Williams)
3 - Muralles (Williams)
4 - Jones (Bowdoin)
5 - Santos (Tufts)

You?

Interesting note, I believe Amherst the best team despite not having any of the top five players.  Serpone does a wonderful job, regardless on thoughts of how he goes about it.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 24, 2014, 06:28:19 pm
Serpone is a godsend to man as we know it.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: MENESCACFAN on September 24, 2014, 06:29:04 pm
Haha, not sure about that.  Good soccer coach though.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 24, 2014, 06:38:00 pm
I would switch Bull and Jones. Glasor might be the fastest striker and he does score goals but there is no way he is MVP of Nescac. I will put money on it that the coaches do not vote him MVP at the end of the year. I wouldn't bet my house on it but maybe $100
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: MENESCACFAN on September 24, 2014, 06:50:53 pm
I would make that bet too, the award will go to a senior as it always does, whether they are the best player or not.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Corazon on September 24, 2014, 06:57:33 pm
Nice summary, MENESCACFAN. Hope to see more posts from you.

This post caused someone to give me a negative karma. Seriously.

As for top players, Bull and Glaser are both worthy candidates, IMO. I also believe Hoppenot of Tufts should be mentioned, although his coach's bizarre playing patterns have certainly hurt his cause (along with Santos). Rashid was my pre-season pick but he obviously can't be considered any longer.
If Hawkey got it last year, I see no reason for Glaser not to get it this year unless politics of him being a sophomore get in the way.

Amherst is the team to beat again. No surprises there. Serpone hustles and recruits good players. Combine that with the winning tradition and the top notch academics, and you have a perennial champion. It'll be interesting to see Russo's successor go up against Serpone on the recruiting trail.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 24, 2014, 07:45:43 pm
I would make that bet too, the award will go to a senior as it always does, whether they are the best player or not.

The award does not always go to a senior. When Williams used to dominate, Alex Blake won it as a Soph and Junior, Khari Stephenson won it as a Junior and Josh Bolton won it as a Junior.

The seniors that have won it have def deserved it. Stephenson, Bolton, Huffer, Bush, Purdy, Noon, Connor Smith and Hawkey.

The one senior who did not deserve it was Harrison Watkins. He was a good back but not an MVP type.

Also, let us not over hype Amherst this year. They are not as good as 2013 and significantly not as good as 2012, which was a team that should have won a national championship.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bucket on September 24, 2014, 07:53:17 pm
How can the conferences best player have no left foot. Lets see what Midd does the rest of the way. They are better than last year because of GK. Still have to go to Trinty, Williams and Hamilton. Tufts and Wes at home.

Are Trinity and Hamilton that much more difficult road contests than Conn? Are Tufts and Wesleyan that much more difficult home contests than Amherst?

I agree—with regard to all teams and not just Middlebury—that one needs to see the rest of the schedule play out before we know how good anyone is. That's a basic concept. But I think it's a fair assessment at this point to say Midd could finish at or near the top of the conference.  It's not as if the Panthers have played only conference bottom feeders thus far.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 24, 2014, 08:05:40 pm
I wasn't comparing who is more difficult. I said Glasor has no left foot and that Midd has the most pathetic non-conference schedule. Try reading and then responding
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: MENESCACFAN on September 24, 2014, 08:42:09 pm
Good call on Hoppenot, very good player, winner's mindset and relentless runner.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: MENESCACFAN on September 24, 2014, 09:49:24 pm
MIDWEEK REVIEW PART 2

Is it just me, or is this the worst out of conference week for a long while in the NESCAC?

Western New England 1 Wesleyan 0

WNE have always been a Bear (sorry) for teams, but surprising to see a talented Wesleyan go down.  Wesleyan are a defensively tough group who maybe lack some firepower, this result could underline that.  Last year's out of conference losses had something to do with the Hazing suspensions, this is an out and out upset.

MIT 1 Tufts 1

Big boy matchup for the D3 word here.  Two teams that are likely to feature come NCAA tournament time.  1-1 draw likely a sign of mutual strength.  Kayne scores for Tufts, who seem to be a team with 4 or 5 regular scoring threats to come at you with.  Easy team on the eye too.

MIT still undefeated, so their coach may be engineering (sorry again) a quality season.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: PaulNewman on September 24, 2014, 10:32:02 pm
Gut reaction from a NESCAC perspective is to be disappointed about Wesleyan loss and failure to score goals.  And also moderately disappointed by Tufts 1-1 draw with MIT.  They need to win some of these games if they hope to meet the expectations that have eluded them.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on September 24, 2014, 11:27:57 pm
Gut reaction from a NESCAC perspective is to be disappointed about Wesleyan loss and failure to score goals.  And also moderately disappointed by Tufts 1-1 draw with MIT.  They need to win some of these games if they hope to meet the expectations that have eluded them.

Watched some of the tufts MIT game.  Again, tufts outplayed their opponent, especially in overtime. Tufts midfield looked excellent. MIT scored with about 3 minutes left. Kayne almost scored a second gol but the goaltender made an excellent punch over the crossbar. MIT comes after the ball well. They are a good team. Agree the jumbos need to win some of these games. Hope to make it to the Amherst tufts game this weekend. The Jeff's coming off a big win seemed to have turned a corner. Should be entertaining.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on September 24, 2014, 11:40:14 pm
I would make that bet too, the award will go to a senior as it always does, whether they are the best player or not.

The award does not always go to a senior. When Williams used to dominate, Alex Blake won it as a Soph and Junior, Khari Stephenson won it as a Junior and Josh Bolton won it as a Junior.

The seniors that have won it have def deserved it. Stephenson, Bolton, Huffer, Bush, Purdy, Noon, Connor Smith and Hawkey.

The one senior who did not deserve it was Harrison Watkins. He was a good back but not an MVP type.

Also, let us not over hype Amherst this year. They are not as good as 2013 and significantly not as good as 2012, which was a team that should have won a national championship.

Agree the Jeff's should have won it all in 2012.  Very strong and big team. They may not be as good but they certainly are talented and are probably the team to beat. That said, they have looked beatable at times this year.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Brother Flounder on September 24, 2014, 11:45:26 pm
I wasn't comparing who is more difficult. I said Glasor has no left foot and that Midd has the most pathetic non-conference schedule. Try reading and then responding
[/quote

Agree about the non-conference schedule. Other nescac teams have much harder non conference schedules....
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Jump4Joy on September 25, 2014, 08:10:24 am
Seems glaring to leave Bull off any Top 5 list in NESCAC.
Sorry about Rashid, but he can't be included.
In the Midd game I saw this year, Conrad had more consistent impact.
Muralles must be considered, I agree.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: blooter442 on September 25, 2014, 08:51:29 am
Watched some of the tufts MIT game.  Again, tufts outplayed their opponent, especially in overtime. Tufts midfield looked excellent. MIT scored with about 3 minutes left. Kayne almost scored a second gol but the goaltender made an excellent punch over the crossbar. MIT comes after the ball well. They are a good team. Agree the jumbos need to win some of these games. Hope to make it to the Amherst tufts game this weekend. The Jeff's coming off a big win seemed to have turned a corner. Should be entertaining.

Agreed. I live down the street from Kraft Field, so I was able to see a bit. Tufts definitely the better side, especially in the midfield, but seem to lack incisiveness in the final third. Hoppenot looked dangerous as always, but I would have thought that Santos would have been a bit more involved—seemed to drift out of the game a bit. I personally believe MIT to be a bit behind Tufts, but they were dogged and hung in there. You could say that MIT was a bit fortunate to get a draw, as SOG were 8-1 Tufts. Then again, most of those shots were relatively routine efforts, so it wasn't completely undeserved. It will be interesting to see how Tufts approaches the Amherst match at the weekend.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bucket on September 25, 2014, 04:53:13 pm
I wasn't comparing who is more difficult. I said Glasor has no left foot and that Midd has the most pathetic non-conference schedule. Try reading and then responding

Here is what i responded to, as you wrote it, verbatim:

"How can the conferences best player have no left foot. Lets see what Midd does the rest of the way. They are better than last year because of GK. Still have to go to Trinty, Williams and Hamilton. Tufts and Wes at home."

You say nothing of an out of conference schedule. What you do say is that "let's see what Midd does the rest of the way." And then you reference "still hav[ing] to go to Trinity, Williams and Hamilton. Tufts and Wes at home."

That is what I responded to.

So how should I have read it any differently, exactly?
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 25, 2014, 06:58:21 pm
I am justly stating who Midd still has to play that can cause them problems, nothing else. I could of stated that Midd under Saward has a propensity to lose or tie games that they should win.

Also, you have my quote stating that Midd has a WEAK non-conference schedule. I mean you have quoted me and than responded as if I never said anything about non conference. AGAIN read than respond or bang your head against the wall a couple times. I am hoping for the latter
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 25, 2014, 09:14:10 pm
MIDWEEK REVIEW

UNE 0 Bowdoin 2

Bowdoin seem to lack some of the toughness seen on previous years, but the winger Jones is a tremendous player.  Pretty standard win that was expected, with lively freshman Di Stefano netting.  I think Di Stefano has a bright future in the conference.

Coast Guard 1 Conn College 0

Very surprising result.  Ken Murphy is a tremendous recruiter and motivator, and I believe every year will see Conn make the break up the league.  Must be disheartening, but expect the Camels to bounce back.   Hilmonaz injured but looked a blaze of energy in the early fall last season.

Colby 2 USM 0

Colby continue the trend of winning out of conference and losing in conference that goes back over 2 years.  From my knowledge, USM is among weaker out of conference foes NESCAC teams face.  Not many players on Colby grab the eye outside of defender Stanton.

Middlebury 3 Colby-Sawyer 0

Watched second half of this game.  Fully believe sophomore forward Glaser is the conference's best player.  Dominant win for a resurgent squad (remember when Saward was finished in some eyes).

RPI 1 Williams 1

Can only imagine this is a good result for RPI, as Williams a good squad despite the surprising Amherst beating.  Freshman forward Sisco-Tolomeo one to keep an eye on. Shows Russo will not go the Sir Alex Ferguson route of leaving cupboard bare for successor.

Bates 0 MMA 2

Tough times for the Bobcats despite a 30-6 advantage in shots, surprising given some of the talent on the roster.  Sophomore Knot has 8 career goals and midfielder Moyo was a scholarship player at Creighton.  Flaherty coaching for his future.

Hamilton 2 Utica 1

Late winner lifts Continentals to a win.  Seen this squad twice, and Nizzi infuses a wonderful energy into the group.  2 goal scorer and all-NESCAC striker Kraynak started his Hamilton career as a defender.

MENESCACFAN.  Have to question your insight on Conn Coach.  If he were a great recruiter he would have recruited some strikers who could score in some NESCAC games.  As far as a motivator he is the anti-motivator as all he does is yell negatives at his team which from a players perspective gets real old real fast and is far from motivating.


Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 25, 2014, 09:48:01 pm
Murphy is a good recruiter. It is tough to recruit to Conn.2nd least attractive Nescac school, for a Nescac it is a bit unstable financially, most of its athletic facilities need a monster upgrade. Murphy has been there I think 5 years now. I give it another 3 to 4 more years before he has the look of Bill Lessig and realizing that no matter how much he recruits and no matter what he does it will be a hard nut to crack the top 4 in Nescac for Mens Soccer year in year out.
That being said he has done a wonderful job turning the program around and consistently getting into the Nescac playoffs. I believe the AD their mandates that if you miss the Nescac playoffs 2 to 3 years in a row you will get fired. I think their field hockey coach just got canned and their women's soccer coach recently got fired a few years back. It is a most ridiculous ultimatum. I know when he first got there he was making underclassmen practice after they had been eliminated in between the Nescac playoffs and NCAA's. It is legal to do, but no one does it. The underclassmen and trainers caused a ruckus with the AD. I think he is a pretty good coach
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 25, 2014, 10:49:24 pm
Murphy is a good recruiter. It is tough to recruit to Conn.2nd least attractive Nescac school, for a Nescac it is a bit unstable financially, most of its athletic facilities need a monster upgrade. Murphy has been there I think 5 years now. I give it another 3 to 4 more years before he has the look of Bill Lessig and realizing that no matter how much he recruits and no matter what he does it will be a hard nut to crack the top 4 in Nescac for Mens Soccer year in year out.
That being said he has done a wonderful job turning the program around and consistently getting into the Nescac playoffs. I believe the AD their mandates that if you miss the Nescac playoffs 2 to 3 years in a row you will get fire
d. I think their field hockey coach just got canned and their women's soccer coach recently got fired a few years back. It is a most ridiculous ultimatum. I know when he first got there he was making underclassmen practice after they had been eliminated in between the Nescac playoffs and NCAA's. It is legal to do, but no one does it. The underclassmen and trainers caused a ruckus with the AD. I think he is a pretty good coach

Not in agreement with you LaPaz.  Have watched this team for the last 5 years and he will never get them over the hump because of his negativity or complete lack of any positivity.  The players tuned him out a few years ago due to his negativity and his constant long ball tactics.  He has never impressed. Good coaches get the most out of their players and you do that with more honey than vinegar or at least a balanced mix.  He's all vinegar.


Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Corazon on September 25, 2014, 11:36:40 pm
From what I saw, I thought Murphy was a good recruiter. He and his assistant do a good job of identifying talent and proactively approaching players and selling Conn to them. Many of the other NESCAC coaches simply wait to see who contacts them or sees who shows up at their camp. Not Murphy.

Curious to get more feedback on what he's like as a coach.

Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: MENESCACFAN on September 25, 2014, 11:54:12 pm

MENESCACFAN.  Have to question your insight on Conn Coach.  If he were a great recruiter he would have recruited some strikers who could score in some NESCAC games.  As far as a motivator he is the anti-motivator as all he does is yell negatives at his team which from a players perspective gets real old real fast and is far from motivating.



Given he recruited last year's NESCAC MVP who was a striker, that comment is just a little silly isn't it?  If you don't like Murphy good for you, but Billy Hawkey could score NESCAC goals so don't rewrite history and ignore facts.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: MENESCACFAN on September 26, 2014, 12:15:18 am
WEEKEND PREVIEW

BATES @ TRINITY

If this was the EPL, we would be marketing it as a relegation battle.  Given this is NESCAC, let's call it a low end playoff decider.  Bates and Colby are already being left behind, and need a result every time they step onto a field to change that pattern that seems to stretch back years.  Trinity are a likely 5-8 seed, and a win here can give them some postseason security.

Young gun strikers Cody Savonen and Peabo Knoth will likely be the go to guys for two unspectacular offensive teams.  Look for Trinity to come away with one goal more than Bates.

PREDICTION:  Bates 1 Trinity 2

MIDDLEBURY @ COLBY

As mentioned above, Colby drifting away at the foot of the table and need an upset win to change that.  Unbeaten Middlebury will see this as a chance to keep up their top of the table form with tougher challenges ahead.

Expect Glaser to stroke home a left footed finish before unveiling a t-shirt that reads "are you watching LaPaz" in celebration  ;-)

PREDICTION:  Middlebury 2 Colby 0

HAMILTON @ WESLEYAN

I like Hamilton.  They are not the most talented bunch in the league, but Nizzi is an energetic guy and his team a positive bunch.  While a long road trip, I can see them grabbing a point here against a talented and organized Wesleyan group.

Plenty of action at either end, but an entertaining scoreless draw awaits.

PREDICTION :  Hamilton 0 Wesleyan 0

WILLIAMS @ CONN

Williams are riding a three game winless streak and I expect them to respond in style here against a good Conn squad.  The Camels lst in midweek out of conference, and it is a tough ask to return to winning ways against the Ephs.

Senior Grady and freshman Sisco-Tolomeo to find the net for the Purple Cows.

PREDICTION:  Williams 2 Conn College 1

AMHERST @ TUFTS

Without doubt the game of the weekend, and a real show of exactly who Tufts are.  On performances so far, I believe they are a genuine title contender this fall.  They have as many offensive weapons as anyone, but the speed, power and emotional storm that Amherst bring will hold a revealing light against their prospects this year.

I see a mental toughness in Tufts I hav not seen or rated highly in the past.  While I do not think they will win this game, I think they will take a point that will be a big mental step for them as a group.  Gut feeling predicts a late qualifier for Maxime Hoppenot, who seems a big game playmaker.

PREDICTION:  Amherst 2 Tufts 2

BATES @ AMHERST

As big a home banker as there is.  Amherst likely to tie 3 points against a Bates team that will likely enter the contest winless.  There are some games where Amherst will need to dig deep to win, and some games where Bates will be fighting for points, not this one though.

Nico Pascal-Leone to run wild for the Jeffs.

PREDICTION:  Bates 0 Amherst 4
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: LaPaz on September 26, 2014, 09:37:00 am
Trinity v Bates- 2-0   Trinity wants revenge for a stumble up at Bates last year that turned their season into chaos. I cannot keep beating a dead horse, but what the hell, Bates is AWFUL. This was a disaster hire and will not last if the players keep putting forth such a lackluster effort.

Colby v Midd- 0-0    My upset special. I think Colby can be dangerous at home. They are much more organized defensively and I expect that to keep improving each week. I predict Midd sleepwalks thru the first half and does not wake up until it is to late. Colby took a good Tufts side to OT.

Conn v Williams- 1-0  No upset here. Williams is struggling and will not get out of that hole here. This looks like Williams of 2008. They look great until the final third where they cannot finish. Conn weakness in goal and CB's are slow. Moutenot should be able to burn Conn's leftback but it all doesn't matter if you cannot finish.

Tufts v Amherst- 0-1 Tufts struggles with physical teams. This was a melee last year and tempers will be flaring again. Tufts just is not as good as I thought they would be yet. Amherst will find a way to win this one.

Wes v Hamilton- 0-0 Hamilton might be short on talent but Wes is short of confidence right now. Flip a coin that one of these teams gets a goal and it will stand up.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: Bucket on September 26, 2014, 10:41:01 am

Also, you have my quote stating that Midd has a WEAK non-conference schedule. I mean you have quoted me and than responded as if I never said anything about non conference. AGAIN read than respond or bang your head against the wall a couple times. I am hoping for the latter

Chill. Hadn't read that (separate) post when I responded to what you first wrote. And I think that if you took the time to read and comprehend what I wrote, you'd find that I was perfectly reasonable. Of course Midd could struggle with teams left on their schedule. But so far this year, we have seen no indication that they will.

Not sure where so much anger and hostility comes from.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: All NESCAC on September 26, 2014, 11:28:52 am

MENESCACFAN.  Have to question your insight on Conn Coach.  If he were a great recruiter he would have recruited some strikers who could score in some NESCAC games.  As far as a motivator he is the anti-motivator as all he does is yell negatives at his team which from a players perspective gets real old real fast and is far from motivating.





Given he recruited last year's NESCAC MVP who was a striker, that comment is just a little silly isn't it?  If you don't like Murphy good for you, but Billy Hawkey could score NESCAC goals so don't rewrite history and ignore facts.

You are correct he did recruit Hawkey.
Hawkey deserved MVP last year--no question, especially since he was double teamed every game--he had a fabulous senior season.  Is Murphy a tireless recruiter---absolutely--he works hard on the recruiting trail.  He works hard year round from what I'm told so he certainly is putting in the effort.  And yes it is difficult to recruit to Conn vs a Williams/Amherst/middlebury, but while Hawkey scored last year, not so much in prior years (fact).  Do  they miss him up front---no question, but you have to have some players step up who can finish in the final third and that is lacking, and has been except for last year (and other than Hawkey it was lacking last year as well).  It's not unfamiliar territory this year across the league except for Tufts, Midd and Amherst---you have to score in order to win.  It's not just a Conn problem--the offensive end.  Somehow Conn has to get its offense going.  Soccer should be a simple game and sometimes some coaches over complicate it.  Sometimes you need to build up your players confidence and let'em play free in order to maximize their talents.  The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result.  Perhaps its time to change how you approach the team or tactics to get a better result.  It may or may not work, but you've got to look at it.
Title: Re: NESCAC
Post by: ihidebehindtheinternet on September 26, 2014, 11:58:01 am
Think this is going to be a very boring weekend with the exception of the Amherst Tufts game. That game looks like it is going to decide the regular season champion.

Saturday:
Bates 0 Trinity 2
Bates is still Bates-ing it up with a mid-week loss to Maine Maritime.  They are no NESCAC foe. Expect the struggles to continue.

Middlebury 1 Colby 0
MIdd is just better. I agree going up to Colby is a difficult place to play. They always get an upset or two each year on the home field. Its windy and has some thick grass. I just don’t think Colby has looked good enough to score a goal on Midd. If anything this game ends 0-0 with no action whatsoever.

Hamilton 0 Wesleyan 0
Can Wesleyan score anymore this year? Wesleyan is the better team but just have not been clicking as of late. Think this plays to a disappointing boring tie.

Williams 0 Conn 0
Both teams have been