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Title: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on March 08, 2004, 02:18:32 pm
Records Thru 3/4:  
Maryville U., 23-3, 14-0  
Fontbonne U., 16-9, 11-3  
Greenville, 16-11, 9-5  
Webster U., 12-13, 8-6  
Westminster, 11-12, 6-8  
Blackburn, 8-17 6-8  
MacMurray, 5-20, 2-12  
Principia, 2-21, 0-14  

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Title: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on March 19, 2004, 02:26:46 pm
2003-04 Final Records:  
Maryville U., 23-3, 14-0  
Fontbonne U., 16-9, 11-3  
Greenville, 16-14, 9-5  
Webster U., 12-13, 8-6  
Westminster, 11-12, 6-8  
Blackburn, 8-17 6-8  
MacMurray, 5-20, 2-12  
Principia, 2-21, 0-14
Title: SLIAC
Post by: sanchopanza on November 07, 2004, 04:58:35 pm
What are the expectations for the SLIAC women this year?  It seems the Maryville Women should be early favorites considering they return basically everyone this year.  I see that they received a number of votes for the preseason top 25.  That is a great compliment for the SLIAC. They should be fun to watch again this year.
Title: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on November 29, 2004, 04:52:09 pm
SLIAC Preseason
Women's Basketball Poll:
1. Maryville University
2. Webster University
3. Fontbonne University
4. Westminster College
5. Greenville College  
6. Blackburn College
7. MacMurray College
8. Principia College
Title: SLIAC
Post by: 2 Inch Vert on December 09, 2004, 12:09:28 pm
Congrats Webster Ladies on the schools biggest win in...well, forever...Hopefully some votes will be counted for the lady gorloks this weekend. Keep it up come conference...
Title: SLIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 09, 2004, 12:26:40 pm
I'm not sure I would consider voting for a team that lost at home to Simpson.
Title: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on December 09, 2004, 12:43:01 pm
Any team that beats Washington U. should be congratulated, but it is early and one win does make a season.

That said, Congrats Webster!
Title: SLIAC
Post by: 2 Inch Vert on December 09, 2004, 01:05:02 pm
Buzzkill anyone?
Title: SLIAC
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on December 09, 2004, 01:32:20 pm
I'm not sure I would consider voting for a team that lost at home to Simpson.
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Using that logic Pat can we conclude that WashU will be out of the top 25 with this loss to Webster since unranked simpson was able to beat them at home and WashU could not? Is that how the votes are logically calculated??? Maybe no votes for Webster yet, but I can see it happening soon, these ladies are starting to put it together and I see good things happening.  
Title: SLIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 09, 2004, 01:52:12 pm
I'd wonder what changed for Webster between that day and yesterday. I know Wash U was missing its second-leading scorer but that wouldn't be enough, logically, to expect them to lose at Webster.

Webster has two more games left before we vote on them anyway, and Rockford is a solid squad. And I'm not saying Webster wouldn't get votes -- I'm just saying they wouldn't necessarily get them from me.
Title: SLIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 09, 2004, 01:52:46 pm
Sorry about the buzzkill, 2-inch. :-)
Title: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on December 09, 2004, 02:23:23 pm
As sweet as the win over Wash U. is, the current strength of the conference (non-conference record) is going to hurt Webster and other teams from serious consideration in the rankings. The following percentage says it all:

SLIAC Women
Westminster, 3-1  
Maryville, 3-2  
Webster, 3-2  
Greenville, 3-3  
Blackburn, 3-5  
Fontbonne, 2-4  
Principia, 1-4  
MacMurray, 1-7  
Totals, 19-28 (.404)
Title: SLIAC
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on December 09, 2004, 05:21:42 pm
Watchdog, speaking logically why would the overall conference percentage hurt any team when no conference games have even been played to aid in comparision? I know there is a seriously flawed system for ranking teams, but to say that the SLIAC is in whole a weak conference, therefore it will hurt select teams is illogical in my opinion.    
Title: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on December 10, 2004, 11:53:12 am
The overall conference record for any conference will always be .500, so the strength of a conference will be based on the quality of the non-conference wins and the conference's non-conference record, and more importantly the overall Division III record and the overall in-region record.
Title: SLIAC
Post by: 2 Inch Vert on December 10, 2004, 04:22:46 pm
and despite the Simpson lose, a Wash U upset is huge for Webster and the SLIAC as a whole...Am I wrong here? Help me understand
Title: SLIAC
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on December 10, 2004, 05:28:07 pm
So once again explain to me why an INDIVIDUAL teams ranking should be affected by the CONFERENCE's strength?
Title: SLIAC
Post by: FC News on December 11, 2004, 05:53:08 am
Great win for the Lady Gorloks
Liz Klotz now has a win over Wash U as a player and a coach. Bet not many can claim that.
Title: SLIAC
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on December 16, 2004, 07:52:08 pm
Its pretty quiet in here, watchdog any word on why the strength on a conference would affect individual team ranking?  FC, hows Fontbonne looking this year, usually they compete well with Webster. Is it going to be a good rivalry year, or is Webster going to rule the court on the mens and womens side? just kidding. Any word on why Maryville appears to be having trouble putting it together? Thought they were going to come out strong returning just about everyone, from the looks of things that isnt happening.  
Title: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on January 19, 2005, 10:34:15 am
Politics and overall record!

(From SLIAC Site)
Team, SLIAC, Overall
Webster, 4-0, 11-4
Maryville, 3-0, 9-4
Fontbonne, 2-1, 5-9
Westminster, 1-2, 7-5
Greenville, 1-2, 5-9
Blackburn, 1-2, 4-9
MacMurray, 1-2, 3-10
Principia, 0-4, 1-9
Title: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on January 24, 2005, 03:20:43 pm
Obviously nobody cares about the women's race, so I'll stop checking this board and I will retire.

Happy New Year!
Title: SLIAC
Post by: Montana PT on January 27, 2005, 11:08:06 pm
The fist time Webster played Maryville last year Maryville won a very close game and let the conference know Maryville was for real. This year it matches the two conference leaders. Maryville won last year, but Webster defeated Washington University this year and Maryville got crushed. Who do people think will win this one?
Title: SLIAC
Post by: Daryl L Lloyd on January 28, 2005, 09:22:47 pm
Looking at Webster and the way they are playing its pretty easy to conclude they are a much improved team from last years squad. Maryville returns almost all of last years team, so itll be a good game, but Webster wins by about 8.
Title: SLIAC
Post by: Montana PT on January 29, 2005, 11:15:54 pm
At the mid conference point the coaches preseason poll is correct with only Fontbonne and Westminster switching places. Very interesting win records being a count down from 7 - 0. The Webster vs Maryville game was close as last years first game was.  Of Course Maryville will have to play Webster at Webster's court the last game of the regular season.
Title: SLIAC
Post by: 2 Inch Vert on February 27, 2005, 01:57:12 pm
congrats lady gorloks on an incredible win. Angie carr is the S***!
Title: SLIAC
Post by: d-mac on February 27, 2005, 05:35:10 pm
It is time to find out who is in... and who is out.
Whose bubble has been burst and who is wearing Cinderella's glass slippers.
It's Selection Sunday... and tonight there will be a special "Hoopsville" as the 2005 NCAA Men's and Women's Basketball Brackets are announced... LIVE on our air!
The Road to Salem and Virginia Beach officially starts tonight!


It plans to be a huge night... as 50 womens and 48 mens teams are officially invited to the dance and a chance at a national title.

Some teams already know they are going (thanks to winning their conferences) and some think they are going, but there are always surprises.

So tonight, we will break it all down. Starting at 8:30 PM EST, we will take a look at who is definitely in, who might make it, who will be disappointed, and what match-ups you might want to look forward to seeing later in the week.

Then at 10:00 PM EST... we will broadcast LIVE the Women's Selection Show so you can find out when we do... the 50 teams on the Road to Virginia Beach.

That will be followed by the Men's Selection Show at 10:30 PM EST - when 48 teams find out what their Road to Salem will be like.

After those selections... we will go over it with a fine-tooth comb and find out who we think are the surprises!

And throughout the show, we will hear from different regions with live reports and talk to coaches that have made surprising moves into the tournament.

Of course, you can listen in thank to Goucher College.
We suggest you try and use the low-bandwith signal which will require you to have Real Player and selection the 28K version of the show.
At the same time, you can listen to the Broadcastmonsters.com version, using Windows Media Player (go to the "Hoopsville" page for more information).

And you can share your opinions and questions with us, live on the air.
email - hoopsville@d3hoops.com  
AOL IM - Hoopsville2000

And for more information... check out the "Hoopsville" website (www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville)!

Again... it all starts tonight at 8:30 PM EST.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Nunya Bidness on August 21, 2005, 05:39:19 pm
Any insiders out there know what happened to Coach Barke at Webster? Quite a surprise to me to see him go.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on August 24, 2005, 05:50:37 pm
It was a personal matter and wouldn't be fair to discuss here.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Nunya Bidness on August 28, 2005, 10:22:49 am
With as much publicity that Quinn Snider at Mizzou received about his "personal matters" ie his divorce from his wife, it's nice to see here on this board, someone to step up & not trash someone for their own personal issues. Best of luck to Webster this year!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: yjacklok on December 03, 2005, 10:15:02 pm
No comments in over 3 months. Probably worth mentioning the shooting performance this afternoon of Webster's Laura Robertson who scored 33, including 7 of 9 three pointers, in the Gorlok's 76-71 win over Wartburg.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: yjacklok on December 04, 2005, 06:34:54 pm
Another good game by the Gorloks, defeating Simpson 56-40. Simpson came in 4-1, losing it's first game by 4 points (54-50), then averaging 87 points a game it's next 4 games and outscoring the opposition (who are currently a combined 3-20) by an average of 29 points. Says something about strength of schedule as a factor in determining the non-automatic post season bids.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: yjacklok on January 05, 2006, 11:26:05 am
Hmmm.....  No one wants to say anything after Maryville defeats Wash U.

It's tough being a lonely voice in the wilderness. IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE??????
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: montanapt on January 05, 2006, 10:57:17 pm
I personally think it was incredible that Maryville led from the first basket until the end. Big games from Sara Bartholic, Lea Feasline, and Carrie Snyder.  Coach Ellis's technical made me nervous with 5'53" left in the game.  The team stood up to Wash U's second half surge.  The subs gave Maryville good minutes and good points.  Great team effort.  I hope it is sign of Maryville playing better against tough opponents.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: yjacklok on January 06, 2006, 01:58:13 pm
Nice to hear another voice. I did not get to see the Wash U Maryville game, but sure wish I had. I have seen Wash U play 3 other times, admittedly against weaker opposition, and they looked good in all 3 of those games, and deserving of their position in the top 25. Hats off to Coach Ellis, who is building a strong program at Maryville. Hopefully, the SLIAC will grow stronger over the coming years so that results like last Wednesday will be more commonplace when competing against Wash U.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: montanapt on January 06, 2006, 08:21:04 pm
I have a question?  The conference begins on Saturday and the preseason records are the worse I have seen in the three years I have been watching (17-56).  Maryville and Webster have 11 of the 17 wins.  Is this a sign of the conference being weaker this year or have they upgraded their pre-season schedule?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: yjacklok on January 09, 2006, 02:30:40 pm
In answer to your question, I think it's hard to say. I haven't examined the schedules of most of the SLIAC teams except Webster and I think their record is a combination of a weaker team and tougher schedule. Webster graduated the conference player of the year, as well as another senior starter. The also lost one player that would have started to transfer, another that would have started decided not to play again this year as did a another who would have seen seen significant playing time. Also, one sophomore who didn't play as a freshman due to an injury, got hurt again in practice before the start of the season and wont' play this year either.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 31, 2006, 11:49:21 am
Well yjack- let me be the first to note on these largely unread pages that Maryville   (yes the SLIAC Maryville, not the Tennessee Maryville) garnered 7 votes on the D3Hoops Week 9 Women's Top 25 Poll.

I guess that should fire the Lady Gorlocks up for the big 6:00 affair tomorrow night   --   a shot at "Nationally ranked" Maryville.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 31, 2006, 01:00:48 pm
That makes three women's teams who have garnered top 25 votes.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: yjacklok on January 31, 2006, 06:46:55 pm
Assuming Maryville is the SLIAC team in the NCAA playoffs, it will be interesting to see who they have to play in the first round. With more teams in the NCAA tournament this year the selection committee will have more options for pairings. Maybe they will forgo their historical stinginess and let some teams travel more. Also, with votes for the top 25, Maryville could end up hosting a tournament game -- maybe two.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 07, 2006, 11:21:42 am
Maryville collects the same 7 votes as last week in D3Hoops Poll- obviously, no voters were  witnesses to the Maryville - Webster game  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: yjacklok on February 11, 2006, 09:22:34 am
The NCAA Division III women's basketball committe ranks Maryville #1 in the Central region.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: montanapt on February 11, 2006, 06:12:47 pm
What effect will this have on NCAA tournament play if Maryville wins or loses the conference tournament.  Could Maryville get in if they lose the conference tournament, and if they win will they get an easier opponent for the first round game then the traditional powerhouses the SLIAC has to play?  Let me know what you think I don't understand how the teams are picked.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2006, 09:32:14 pm
I think yes to both answers. There are 21 at-large bids in Pool C (for those who don't get their automatic bid) and being unbeaten in-region is HUGE at this point of the year.

There's more about the playoffs in the FAQ, see link at bottom of my post.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 14, 2006, 12:39:31 pm
Maryville jumps from 7 votes  to 37 votes in the D3hoops poll - just 3 spots out of the top 25.

with a conference tourney championship and a no 1 rating in the region, I'd say an outstanding shot at hosting a regional - Wash U, Coach Fahey, you guys hop on the bus and come on out to West County!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: mark_reichert on February 17, 2006, 03:12:09 pm
Ben
Maryville jumps from 7 votes to 37 votes in the D3hoops poll - just 3 spots out of the top 25.

with a conference tourney championship and a no 1 rating in the region, I'd say an outstanding shot at hosting a regional - Wash U, Coach Fahey, you guys hop on the bus and come on out to West County!!!!

Been there, done that.  Rudest fans I've ever met.  At least next time, the referees will be NCAA not SLIAC.

You'll say it's sour grapes, but you won't ever see me complain about the NYU game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: yjacklok on February 17, 2006, 11:48:20 pm
mark_reichert. I did not see the Maryville-Wash U game so I don't know what went on there that causes you to say "rudest fans I've ever met." You know SLIAC teams have an inferiority complex when it comes to playing Wash U so the SLIAC fans can get pretty riled up when their team has a shot at a victory over Wash U. I did see the second half of the Wash U-NYU game. Didn't sense any lack of balance in the officiating. NYU played a great Box and One defense that kept Wash U from scoring much inside and allowed NYU to control the defensive glass.

As for the SLIAC officials, this is a topic of much discussion on the SLIAC men's posting site. I go to both SLIAC and Wash U games and I see a number of the same officials at Wash U as I do at SLIAC venues. So these officials do not belong exclusively to the SLIAC. And don't be surprised to see some of them officiating NCAA tournament games.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 19, 2006, 01:33:35 pm
Mark, your comment surprizes me  - I've seen most of Maryville's games as a "prelim" to the men's games  -   I sit up high behind the bench, so am on the other side from most of the Maryville fans   -  I don't think I've heard anything rude, at least from across the court.  I thought any unseemly activity probably was directed at the officials (activity which I've been critical of), not at the opposition.  If you're correct, then I'm very disappointed.....   what went on that led to your remarks?   I was at the Wash U MU game, and was totally caught up in the remarkable lead that MU built up and in Wash U's great comeback...   what turned you off regarding the fans?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: bearsfan on February 21, 2006, 09:54:51 am
I think yes to both answers. There are 21 at-large bids in Pool C (for those who don't get their automatic bid) and being unbeaten in-region is HUGE at this point of the year.

There's more about the playoffs in the FAQ, see link at bottom of my post.

Pat, do you really think Maryville would still get a Pool C if they lose their conference tournament. The lose would both drop them in the final regional rankings(atleast a few spots) and with a QoWI that would be a good bit under 10(probably around 9.5) don't you think they would have a hard time taking a Pool C of the likes of the WIAC teams that are all still competitive. Always kinda been general thoughts that you need a QoWI over 10 to get serious consideration. You think that's changed? I would think their schedule would really come back to haunt them if they were to lose, especially early in the SLIAC tournament.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: yjacklok on February 21, 2006, 11:51:55 pm
bearsfan. You make a good point. Of Maryville's 11 non-conference games it looks like 8 of them were against non-D3 opponents. Several were NAIA and/or D2, but at least two of those eight were against very weak non-D3 teams. Still, I have seen them play a number of times, and I can tell you that they are good. I'm guessing from the name "bearsfan" that you support Wash U. I'm sure the lady Bears would like another crack at Maryville.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: bearsfan on February 22, 2006, 09:26:21 am
Yes, you are right that I am a Wash U supporter and am sure they would like another crack like they wanted another crack at Webster after their loss to them last year. I have also seen several of Maryville's games(including the loss to Hanover at the Hanover tournament that Wash U was also a part of) and don't doubt that they do have a good team. I just wonder if their regional slate(which minus Wash U is very weak) is going to hurt them since all the selection criteria are regionally based. Still, I don't think the Central region has quite the number of strong teams that dominated like last year did with the WIAC and CCIW beating each other up a little bit this year. Personally, I would be shocked if Maryville lost their conference tournament, but I thought the same thing last year.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: yjacklok on February 22, 2006, 02:41:51 pm
Should Maryville lose the SLIAC tourney I expect the non-conference schedule will be a liability to them in getting a Pool C bid, because as I understand it, the only games that are taken into consideration in awarding those tournament slots are games against D3 schools.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: yjacklok on February 22, 2006, 09:11:40 pm
bearsfan. Also, you mentioned Wash U's loss to Webster last season. While Webster clearly outplayed them in that game, I am aware that Was U was playing without Hallie Hutchens and Kelly Manning. Had those two been playing, it might have been a different story.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2006, 08:55:35 am
Maryville's schedule is beginning to bite them, as they drop from 1 to 3 in the regional ratings despite 2 wins.
This could be a precursor to a huge disappointment when C bids are handed out, should they falter in the SLIAC tourney.  Also could mean that Wash U could be first in line to host a regional rather than MU.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: SaintsBall on February 24, 2006, 03:11:02 am
mark, how can you talk about refs deciding the game is WashU never had the lead in the game? maryville was up almost 20 at half! quit complaining
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 24, 2006, 11:25:10 pm
Congrats to my Lady Griffins. Good Luck tommorrow nite.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 26, 2006, 02:14:49 am
The Lady Saints can thank the officiating crew for not making them sweat a Pool C bid. Griffins I'm proud of you all
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: stlrebfan on February 26, 2006, 11:52:38 pm
The Lady Saints can thank the officiating crew for not making them sweat a Pool C bid. Griffins I'm proud of you all
Are you serious?!  Were you watching the same game I was?  Maryville does not get in the bonus until 2:30 left in OT!  Give me a break.  Hats off to the Fontbonne kids.  They played their hearts out, but Maryville had IMO their worst game since December yet still found a way to win.  Lets give credit where it is due.  The coach at Maryville is a part-time coach, yet has had one of the top programs in the country the last three years and is competitive with programs that have full-time staffs.  Impressive.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 27, 2006, 12:39:07 pm
Stlrebfan - FU's three post players shot a total of 8 ft's. MU pounded them everytime the ball went inside. I don't care when we put you in the bonus, it's hard to foul when the other teams throwing up 3's, plus the Siants were the ones pressing. Hand checking is not allowed in college basketball and they might as well put step ladders out there the way they let them go over the top on the boards.

Your second statement about part time coaches, the vast majority of SLIAC coaches in all sports are part time. FU has three full time coaches for 11 sports.

That being said I can't beleive that MU did not get a home game in the NCAA's and Wash U did. What happen to the head to head criteria.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: stlrebfan on February 27, 2006, 02:04:49 pm
Stlrebfan - FU's three post players shot a total of 8 ft's. MU pounded them everytime the ball went inside. I don't care when we put you in the bonus, it's hard to foul when the other teams throwing up 3's, plus the Siants were the ones pressing. Hand checking is not allowed in college basketball and they might as well put step ladders out there the way they let them go over the top on the boards.

Your second statement about part time coaches, the vast majority of SLIAC coaches in all sports are part time. FU has three full time coaches for 11 sports.

That being said I can't beleive that MU did not get a home game in the NCAA's and Wash U did. What happen to the head to head criteria.
Lets agree that the officiating was just bad on both ends.  Really, I thought it was the weakest I have seen in that conference this year, especially for the finals...

Odd that Wash U would host, although I think the MU 1st round game is very winnable.  Second round could be very difficult as Wheaton is very strong.  UAA gets four in...Wow!
NY has lost 5 of 6 or something like that yet gets in. 

BTW, I think Quigley does a great job.  He and Ellis seem to have a great respect for one another.  Good to see in this day and age.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: bearsfan on February 27, 2006, 04:52:44 pm
That being said I can't beleive that MU did not get a home game in the NCAA's and Wash U did. What happen to the head to head criteria.

Head-to-head is only 1 of the criteria and I am sure that did get factored in. The main think that probably kept Maryville from hosting was the fact they were only 1-0 vs regionally ranked opponents(one of the five criteria) compared to Wash U's 5-2 mark against regional opponents(potentially 4-1 if NYU dropped out of the secret final regional rankings).

Also, one of the largest components of the 5 criteria is the RQoWI. Wash U's was 11.684(5th of all teams nationally) compared to Maryville's which was 9.941(45th nationally). Those were probably the main two factors that got Wash U a host and similarly got Wheaton a host spot over Maryville.

The committee looks at the season as a whole and not just 1 particular game. It is difficult to argue that a team who ran away with a conference championship(13-1 mark compared to the 10-4 mark of the second place team) in a conference that had 4 teams make the tournament probably earned the right to host a game.

Also, they moved Wash U to the Great Lakes regional grouping which probably helped in them earning a host spot. It is more interesting that Wheaton was given the host in the group Maryville is playing in. Regardless, doesn't look like there could be a Maryville/Wash U rematch until the Elite 8 if both teams can make it that far. I guess we will see what the next few weeks hold in store.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: yjacklok on March 04, 2006, 10:48:46 am
Congratulations to the lady Saints and good luck today against Wheaton.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: AlmightyHoops on March 31, 2006, 02:27:56 pm
What happened to the coach at Webster?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: yjacklok on June 17, 2006, 06:43:51 pm
Interested parties will want to check out Blackburn's athletics website for an article on their women's basketball recruits.

http://www.blackburn.edu/athletics/athletics.asp
Title: SLIAC musings for the 2006-2007 season
Post by: jdoug2 on November 14, 2006, 11:10:34 am
Since I'm living in Texas I don't get a great deal of info on the SLIAC down here. I was wondering if anyone had any views on how the conference would shake-out this season.
Title: Re: SLIAC musings for the 2006-2007 season
Post by: Just Bill on November 14, 2006, 12:07:59 pm
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Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 15, 2006, 12:43:59 pm
2006 Women's Pre-Season's Coaches Poll

1. Maryville (Mo.)
2. Fontbonne
3. Eureka
4. Blackburn
5. Greenville
6. Webster
7. Principia
8. MacMurray
9. Lincoln Christian
10. Westminster (Mo.)

In the pre-season write-up, Westminster was not mentioned.  I will assume them at 10th meaning no disrespect to them if they are higher.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 15, 2006, 12:57:20 pm
I appreciate the preason poll panther. My niece is playing for Fontbonne and I was just wondering how things could possible shape up. I know she is excited about their upcoming game with SIU.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 15, 2006, 09:11:58 pm
Not a problem jdoug2.  I attend all of the men's and women's Greenville College games.  So, I keep a close eye on SLIAC action.  I will try to keep checking the women's board.  I do alot on the guys board and just checked in to see what was up here.  If you don't already know, you can go to www.sliac.org to get scores and other info.  Its usually updated each night following games.  11:00pm (CST) is the update time I think
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 16, 2006, 12:12:45 am
Thanks man. I've been to that site I just haven't seen a lot of info. Guess it's too early. I like mens hoops as well. Just got back from watching my friend's son play tonight. UTA vs North Texas. He's a freshman at UTA and starts. He was 4-6 from behind the arc tonight. Great game. UTA won 83-81 on a buzzer beater. Thanks for indulging my ramblings everyone.

I'll be listening via webcast to the Fontbonne SIU game this Saturday.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 17, 2006, 05:59:21 am
Greenville is scheduled to get WLC's women's team tomorrow. Two Warrior players to watch are Emily Laete and Kami Ten Pas. There are a handful of sophomores on that team that, barring injury, should make their fair share of noise also. Should be a close game. :) ;) :D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: pantherpride06 on November 18, 2006, 10:30:24 pm
Greenville falls both Friday and Saturday night's at Wisconsin Lutheran.  Greenville fell 84-81 to Aurora.  Greenville lead the entire way and fell short.  Wisc. Lutheran handed Greenville a thumpin.  Dont recall the score.  That's what's going on with Greenville.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 20, 2006, 04:15:28 am
That final was 82-51. Judging from the box score, Greenville's shots weren't connecting as much that game. :-X
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 20, 2006, 05:03:26 pm
Fontbonne lost to SIU. Final was 86-50. From listening to the game sounded as though Fontbonne had way too many turnovers and could not keep up on the boards. I guess you just have to hope for improvement from game to game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 22, 2006, 12:00:08 pm
Following is an excerpt from a post by hopefan on the men's site this morning: "check out the SLIAC ladies last night....
Maryville ladies play tough but lose to NAIA Mo Bap by 12.     BUT,  Fontbonne loses to DePauw by 65, Blackburn loses to Wash u by 63, and Webster lose to Millikin by 62----- These are D3 schools losing to D3 schools  -  maybe there does need to be a D4."

Not to diminish the severity of what happended last night, but in an attempt to put things in perspective a bit: DePauw, which beat Fontbonne, was ranked pre-season #3 by d3hoops; Wash U, which defeated Blackburn, was ranked pre-season #12 and although they entered lat night's game "an unheard of 0-2" (quote from a d3hoops article on Sunday or Monday), one of those loses was to DePauw. Webster did lose to Millikin by 61 (not 62 -- we need every point we can get) on Sunday (not last night), and to Illinois Wesleyan by 63 last night. But it should be noted that Illinois Wesleyan has already defeated the above mentioned pre-season #3 DePauw. And in the case of Webster they are starting from scratch with a new head coach who has only one player who saw limited minutes returning from last year, and a second returnee who didn't play at all last year due to injury. The new coach has a total of nine players, seven of whom had to be recruited over the summer and one of those is injured at the moment.

It will likely be a rough year for the SLIAC women, but I have seen similar margins of victory in women's games from other regions.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 22, 2006, 12:52:05 pm
jdoug2- FU is without their leading scorer from last year. Michelle Reale will be having knee surgery in the near future. Your Neice is shooting the ball well this year, but will draw alot of attention. If I know who your speaking of. The Vazzi family was their to support her for Late Night.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 22, 2006, 04:59:30 pm
It's great to hear the Vazzi's were there to support Fontbonne and Lauren. Lauren played ball this summer with guys so that she could get a little tougher and to develope her game some more. Make her more than just a shooter. It will be good to see her play later this year when I get up there. I think Liz Sharpe is supposed to be back sometime in December. That will help. I know they play Ill Wesleyan next week, and that could be ugly again. Hopefully they are getting something out of the losses. Last year the non conference record wasn't that great but they made it to the finals in the sliac playoffs.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 22, 2006, 09:51:29 pm
Just out of curiosity I went searching for other women's games so far this season between two D3 opponents where the point differential was 60 or greater. I found two on 11/17: Johnson State 95, Paul Smith 30 and Maine Maritime 113, SUNY Maritime 16 (YIKES!!!). I also found a couple of almost 60: 11/18 DeSales 104, Keystone 46 and 11/21 Rutgers-Newark 83, CCNY 24. There were also 60 plus point differentials in some games where one of the schools was not D3. But I was amazed at the number of games where the point differential was in the low to mid-50s. Again, some of these were games where one of the schools was not D3, but the majority were between two D3 schools.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 23, 2006, 02:57:54 am
As I said on the SLIAC men's board, you have to take lopsided women's scores with a grain of salt. There's a much greater variability distinguishing different schools in the amount of recruiting emphasis and coaching resource allotment between men's basketball and women's basketball on this level. Connected to that is the fact that the skill level of women's basketball players in D3 tends to have a much wider variance than on the men's side. That's why you're more likely to see lopsided scores in D3 women's basketball than in the men's version.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 23, 2006, 11:50:49 am
I think the blowouts in womens basketball  extend to Div 1. Heck, Texas A&M beat Mc Neese St 109-26. And there are countless other examples. For some reason there just seems to be a wider gap in talent levels in all areas of womens basketball. Watching my niece play ball in high school you could  see the wide disparities in talent and coaching abilities. Watching blowouts isn't that much fun, even if your team is the one crushing the other team.  Hope everyone has a great Thanksgiving. I'm headed to go see my Fontbonne baller.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Hoosier Titan on November 26, 2006, 02:56:48 pm
I have always thought that the blowouts that are too common in women's basketball can be attributed primarily to the smaller pool of really serious players available, due to lack of encouragement and opportunites in early life (I grew up with only the six-player "girl's" game available, and it wasn't even an official sport at my school). 

I read a really good piece in Sports Illustrated a long time ago discussing what made a sport "mature."  The author began by mentioning Bob Beamon's 1968 long jump in the Olympics--it was such a freak because of the incremental improvement (0.55 m) over the previous record, while previous improvements were on the order of 0.15 m or so.  The definition was that "mature" sports are ones where there are several, if not many, competitors (either individuals or teams) capable of performing at or near the top possible level consistently, while "immature" sports are still dominated by a few outstanding individuals or individual teams.  The point about Beamon was that, by the 1960s, men's track and field seemed "mature," with only small incremental gains on most world records each year, until Beamon's jump.

By this logic, the only women's sports that would seem to have reached "maturity" in the U.S. are soccer and softball.  (I'm ignoring sports that most of us only see on TV in the Olympics).  But Title IX has been with us a long time now; perhaps there's more to it than that.

And I agree that blowouts aren't fun for anyone.  Here's to a wider talent pool for all women's sports!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 06, 2006, 05:33:53 pm
Fontbonne played Illinois Wesleyan last night. Wes is rated #24 on one poll I saw. Valiant effort, but Fontbonne lost 82-57. From reading the box score, looks like the Griffins still have way too many turnovers. Conference play begins tonight against Greenville College.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 08, 2006, 03:58:37 pm
Fontbonne gets it's first win of the year against Greenville College 71-59. FB kept the turnovers to a manageable level and shot 9 of 21 behind the arc. And my niece had 12 points. Looks like the conference games will allow a more competitive level for the Griffins. Big congratulations to the Fontbonne girls and their first of many wins. 8)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on December 08, 2006, 10:55:16 pm
JDoug  the same holds for the men's side on the conference  -  while some writers have expressed great aspirations for the conference, The thing I appreciate is the mostly level playing field within the conference both on the men and women's side.  Enjoy, and I hope your neice continues her success.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 09, 2006, 12:49:41 am
I totally agree with you. A level playing field makes for more excitement and allows more teams to keep that hope alive.

Fontbonne defeats Illinois College 72-58. Haven't heard how my niece did tonight. Don't want to call her this late. Next game vs Milliken on Sunday.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 09, 2006, 10:58:52 pm
Webster, a team rebuilding from the ground up, gets it's first win today 64-56 over Mac Murray. Of course, MacMurray seems to be almost starting over as well as they have two seniors and nine or ten freshmen -- nothing in between. Webster has one junior who saw very limited action last year, the rest are sophomores and freshmen who have not worn a Webster basketball jersey before.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 09, 2006, 11:04:26 pm
Oh yes, I don't think the playing field on the women's side of the SLIAC is quite as level as the men's. I expect Fontbonne and Maryville will emerge as the two best teams. There are probably a couple of others that are on a second tier - Principia comes to mind as one of those. I don't know enough about the rest of the schools to make even a guess as to how they will do against each other.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 10, 2006, 01:19:15 pm
Quote from hopefan on the men's SLIAC board: "one point of interest - Maryville plays at Wash U at 8:00 Wednesday - the prelim to that game will be the Maryville Ladies vs Wash U ladies - you might remember that last year, the Maryville ladies claimed the biggest win in their history when they upset Wash U over at Maryville  -  this could be another good game, with the Bears looking to reclaim their D3 St Louis championship.  Both teams lost key players to graduation but have resumed their winning ways this season."

It's normal to see the Wash U women come into a game at this time of the season undefeated or with maybe one loss. They are 5-3 (5-1 after starting out 0-2). Maryville is 3-2. Both teams are probably still learning to play together after graduating a number of very talented seniors. Should be an interesting game, but, as one who is generally uninclined to predict outcomes, I will say that Wash U will win this one.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 11, 2006, 12:33:00 pm
Fontbonne loses a heartbreaker yesterday to Millikin 70-65. Evidently my niece had a long look at  a 3 to tie the game with 6 seconds left but it wouldn't fall. Millikin then hits 2 freebies.

I'll be interested in the Maryville-Wash U game. Fontbonne plays Wash U on Saturday.

Also, just glad to see some people here posting. I like getting some info on the conference and women's D3 ball in general.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 11, 2006, 05:48:02 pm
jdoug2, I, too, wish there was more interest in the women's SLIAC teams. It seems that for the five seasons I've been here (this being my 6th) the St. Louis schools (Webster, Fontbonne, Maryville) have all been in the top 4 teams each year, with the 4th spot being occupied by a number of different teams.

The St. Louis schools all have larger student bodies than the six Illinois schools and the other Missouri school -- Westminster (in Fulton, MO). But that doesn't seem to be as big a factor on the men's side as it does on the women's.

Who is your neice? If I get a chance to see her play I'll give you a brief report. I'm sure I'll see her play against Webster, and it's possible that I might go to Fontbonne if they are playing at home on a day when Webster is playing outside St. Louis.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 12, 2006, 10:07:27 am
Since I'm in Texas it's difficult for me to know everything about the SLIAC. I hope to make a couple of games this year. I know my sister and brother inlaw are going to the Wash U game this weekend. I didn't even know the STL schools were the largest.

My niece is Lauren Crain. A lefty shooting guard. Make sure she's playing some D if you get to see Fontbonne play. Thanks.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on December 12, 2006, 02:01:18 pm
I wouldn't say STL schools are that big. FU's under grad count is about 1000 - 1100.

Doug, Lauren is playing hard. A nagging wrist injury isn't helping. I think wrist, I see her carring an ice bag after every practice.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 12, 2006, 03:53:09 pm
Thanks fcnews. She's always played hard, even whe she's been a little banged up. She hasn't mentioned the wrist deal. Must be pretty minor. I spoke with her Sunday after the Millikin game and she was a little down. They're 2-4 and she hates to lose. I know she's never been on a team that has lost more than a few games per year. It's all about the conference games. When those and you move on.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 12, 2006, 04:23:51 pm
jdoug2, fcnews will be your best source of info on Lauren.

to fcnews, I didn't realize Fontbonne's undergrad population was that small. I learn something new every day. Maryville's enrollment appears to be about 1,500 and Webster's 2,500 -- although I wonder if that is traditional undergraduate students, or includes grad students as well as older adults going back to school.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 12, 2006, 05:36:24 pm
It's good to have an unbiased source of info.

And a correction in my last posting. I meant, " Win those and move on. " I should read a little more carefully before I post.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 13, 2006, 11:03:29 pm
Fontbonne defeats Eureka. Not sure of the  score, just spoke with my niece and she wasn't sure about the final. Lauren and several teammates were headed to Applebee's for half price appetizers. Starting to miss my college years.  8)

And from checking out the scoreboard on D3 looks like Wash U beat Maryville.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on December 13, 2006, 11:23:29 pm
According to the call I got from our coach, Fontbonne defeated Eureka 72-64. EC led by one at the half. I also heard that the scoreboard wasn't working. It seemed fine when I was there Saturday. Although I was not there, this has to be the best game the Red Devils have played this season. I agree with those that have said Maryville and Fontbonne should be the top 2 teams this year. I would like to think Eureka will be a strong contender for one of the tournament spots, but a lot of basketball is to be played. I have seen Greenville and they look much improved over last year. Prin, Mac and Webster will have a say in this as well.  Actually, it's tough to say any team is out of it at this point. EC had some time off, but comes back with Monmouth and Maryville after the break HELLOOOOO!!!

Getting back to the enrollment issue. Certainly, enrollment is a factor, but there is not a large difference in enrollments within conference schools. Sure, Eureka is under 600 and Webster is over 2,000 I believe, but EC has continually competed strong over the years with the Aurora's and Benedictine's of the world in the NIIC, both have larger enrollments than the biggest SLIAC school I think. I think a bigger factor is institutional support of women's sports. At Eureka, I feel women's sports are supported very well and we are blessed with veteran coaches in volleyball, basketball and softball, which makes a huge difference.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 14, 2006, 12:14:59 am
I saw the 2nd half of the Maryville-Wash U game. Wash U was up 44-34 at the half. Maryville played them well in the second half, but didn't have enough weapons. Final was 76-63 I think. Wash U is not nearly the team they were last year after losing Kelly Manning, Danielle Beehler, and Katie Benson. This year's seniors aren't nearly as talented, although they saw plenty of minutes last year.

Maryville also lost some real talent from last year. The have two seniors this year, one of whom starts. They should win the SLIAC this year and be geared up for an even better season next year.

Next SLIAC team to go into the Wash U Bears den is Fontbonne on Saturday. This could be a measuring stick of how close Fontbonne is to Maryville as a contender for the top spot in the SLIAC.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on December 14, 2006, 02:16:00 pm
At Fontbonne University the Women's Teams get the exact same institutional support as the men's. That's probably why the FU volleyball and softball have been dominate lately and have got some national attention.

FU's Lady Griffins bball team has had it's run of conference dominance, similar to what MU is seeing.

It's not to long ago that FU stopped Wash U's 83 game winning streak (one win shy of Coach Wooden's record at UCLA) and went on to the NCAA Sweet Sixteen. They beat the #1 and #2 teams in the region that year. Upset Millikin @Millikin in the second round.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 14, 2006, 04:02:54 pm
I think it's great that the women's teams get the same support as the guys teams at Fontbonne. One small complaint, could they update their website every now and then. Have a little more info. I end up going to rival school's sites to get box scores and such.

And my niece had her college career high of 17pts last night.  8)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: mark_reichert on December 14, 2006, 06:46:58 pm
It's not to long ago that FU stopped Wash U's 83 game winning streak (one win shy of Coach Wooden's record at UCLA) and went on to the NCAA Sweet Sixteen. They beat the #1 and #2 teams in the region that year. Upset Millikin @Millikin in the second round.

This probably won't do my karma rating any good, but that's 81 game winning streak (seven shy of Coach Wooden's record at UCLA).

Drill down through NCAA Record books at

http://www.ncaasports.com/history

P.S.  WashU went on to win its last Championship to date that year.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on December 14, 2006, 07:06:51 pm
Mark, I'll take your word on it. And, yes, the Lady Bears did go on to win the Championship. That made FC's victory that much more impressive.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 14, 2006, 11:30:43 pm
Might as well take every opportunity to cite the very limited number of SLIAC women's accomplishments. The '01-'02 Webster team went to the Sweet 16 and lost in a very competitive game to eventual national champ UW-Steven's Point. Also the team two years ago beat Wash U at Webster by 19 points. Granted, Wash U was playing without Kelly Manning and Hallie Hutchens. Still it was WASH U and Webster truly outplayed them. All that was 2 coaches ago.

Last year's Maryville team advanced to the second raound of the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 14, 2006, 11:33:32 pm
And congrats, jdoug2, on your niece's good game on Wednesday night. I may go over for Fontbonne's Saturday games at Wash U.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 15, 2006, 09:46:20 am
Thanks Jack. And if you do go to the game, please cheer for Fontbonne. I'm sure we'll be outmanned, although Lauren's parents will be there. First trip up that way for us Texans.

There is one player we wouldn't mind doing ok for Wash U. Lauren's former teammate is a freshman point. She hasn't played much at all this year, but you never know.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: pantherpride06 on December 15, 2006, 11:38:05 am
I caught the first half of Maryville @ Wash U and then jumped across the road to see the Eureka @ Fontbonne game.

I thought Maryville did a good job of staying right with Wash U.  Maryville is fueled by Kasey Schultz.  She just kept Maryville moving on the offensive side of the ball.

As for Fontbonne/Eureka, after watching FU dismantle Greenville last week, watching them play like they did in the first half was shocking.  Just throwing the ball everywhere.  And Eureka played very good... sad to see Eureka playing well and Fontbonne playing bad and Eureka having a 1 pt. 1st half lead.  Second half was what I was expecting through the whole game.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 15, 2006, 11:46:37 am
jdoug2. Not to worry, I always root for SLIAC teams over Wash U.

Your niece's former teammate may be in a better position to see some minutes this time as Wash U's sophomore point guard from Hawaii ( a 5' 2" dynamo of a player) went down with a knee injury early in the 2nd half against Maryville.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on December 15, 2006, 11:59:33 am
As a point of interest, I thought Linclon Christian looked pretty decent the other night against Maryville - They only played 7 or 8 players and were totally outmanned in the 2nd half, but I'm pretty sure they will be able to compete at the 500 level in conference - they have a couple of perimeter players that shot pretty well.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 15, 2006, 04:00:06 pm
It's good to hear there will could be several good teams in the conference. Not that I want every team to be .500, but it is good to have some competition throughout the SLIAC. Since I'm not too familiar with the conference I'm generally guessing as to the quality of the teams. Other than looking at their records of course.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on December 15, 2006, 07:07:44 pm
jdoug - I see where Lauren is leading the league in FT% and top 10 in 3 pt%.

 Fontbonne's season out look changed early, with the loss of Michelle Reale. She was FU's leading scorer during conference play last year. Probably the best all-around player on the team. She is rehabbing well from knee surgery. She would of gave FU a much stronger inside presence. Liz Taylor-Sharpe would much rather play facing the basket.

FU will be a solid team. Best chance for a long run will be next year.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 16, 2006, 01:55:08 pm
Thanks FC. She's been playing pretty well, although she needs to cut down those to's. That kid has always been able to shoot. We've just been trying to get her to drive more often. Keep the opponent honest. I didn't know they were using Liz in the post after Michelle hurt her knee. I saw 2 games last year and from what I remember Liz is better facing up. I guess you have to do, what you have to do.

Now I'm going to try and listen to the game vs Wash U.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 16, 2006, 02:11:20 pm
What's the freaking deal? ??? The Wash U site is not playing the game. It's playing elevator music.  >:(
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 16, 2006, 02:55:40 pm
Still can't hear the game, but my sister called me with the score. Fontbonne and Wash U are tied 27 all at half.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 16, 2006, 03:42:32 pm
Wash U wins 67-53. Fontbonne just couldn't seem to score. Oh well, at least my niece is headed home for Christmas.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 16, 2006, 07:02:45 pm
jdoug2, maybe you've seen a box score of the Fontbonne-Wash U game. I haven't looked. Lauren had what I would describe as an uneventful game. She got one of Fontbonne's first buckets from about 10 feet off a reboud from a missed free throw. She hit a 3 pointer late in the game, but I think missed everything in between (4 or 5 shots). Otherwise not much to say. Her former teammate who plays for Wash U (DeeDee ??, right?) got in for the final minute plus, but Lauren had just come out of the game, so they weren't on the floor at the same time.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 17, 2006, 10:07:29 am
Thanks for the info Jack. I did check out the box score and my brother-inlaw also told me about the same thing as you. Looks like she didn't have much of a game, but at least they hung in there for a while.

And yes, it's DeeDee who used to play with Lauren in high school. I hate she isn't getting much playing time, but I guess that will happen when you're  a freshman on a good team.

I'm simply glad I'm headed to the airport soon to pu Lauren and her parents.

Hope everyone has a great Christmas or whatever holiday you enjoy.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 28, 2006, 09:26:01 pm
Where has everyone been? ??? I hope everybody had a great break, but it's time again for some posts.

Fontbonne was without a couple of starters for their Florida trip, and it was not a good thing. Div II Univ of Tampa defeats the griffins 85-49. Maybe  the beach and nice weather had a negative effect.

Fontbonne will take get back to SLIAC action next Saturday when they will take on Blackburn College. Plus on Jan 13th the TEXAS contigent will be in attendance. It will be my first trip of the year to STL.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 29, 2006, 10:17:40 am
jdoug, as you've probably noticed there aren't many posters on the women's side of the SLIAC site. Also, there haven't been many games since Fontbonne-Wash U. Webster got thumped by #5 Depauw 94-51 on the 20th, and will probably get thumped again tonight when they play Rose-Hulman who are 10-1.

All 3 Saint Louis SLIAC schools are playing at home on the 13th, which means hopefan will probably be at Maryville and I will be at Webster. Will you still be around for the Webster-Fontbonne games on the 18th?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 29, 2006, 11:16:13 am
Also, Maryville plays Allegheny (8-1, but unranked) at the South Padre Island Shootout tonight. Then tomorrow plays either Messiah (7-1 and ranked 10th), or Pitt-Bradford (4-4).
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 29, 2006, 06:10:56 pm
Sounds like the sliac will have things really up and running on the 13th. I know the Christmas break has slowed down the games and the posts.

And Jack we'll only be up for the game against MacMurray. For some reason my job wants me around on occasion, so I'll only be able to make a few select Saturday games. I just wish Fontbonne played Maryville on a Saturday this year. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 29, 2006, 11:41:18 pm
Maryville loses to Allegheny 71-62 and will play Pitt-Bradford tomorrow. As expected, Webster lost to Rose-Hulman 63-46. While this puts Rose-Hulman at 11-1, they are nowhere near the calibre of Millikin, Illinois Wesleyan & DePauw, all of whom beat Webster much more decisively. Also, I think both Fontbonne and Maryville could beat Rose-Hulman.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 31, 2006, 12:11:56 am
Maryville beats Pitt-Bradford 83-49. Allegheny, which beat Maryville yesterday, loses to #10 Messiah. Now all the SLIAC teams have completed their non-conference games, except Webster, who has to play Wash U on Wednesday 1/3/07. After that it will be interesting to see if anyone can compete with Maryville and Fontbonne.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 03, 2007, 11:47:05 pm
jdoug, I saw the Webster-Wash U game tonight. Dee Dee played the last five minutes. She's quick, pesky, energetic, fun to watch. Didn't score but got a couple of steals and one foul. Coach Fahey was gracious enough to sub liberally throughout the game to  keep the score from getting even worse. Even when they got shots, Webster couldn't make them.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 04, 2007, 10:35:00 am
Thanks for the update Jack. I'm happy to hear DeeDee is getting a little run. She has a pretty sound game and I'm sure she'll get more time in the next few years. I know Wash U has a deep team.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: mark_reichert on January 04, 2007, 02:22:50 pm
Thanks for the update Jack. I'm happy to hear DeeDee is getting a little run. She has a pretty sound game and I'm sure she'll get more time in the next few years. I know Wash U has a deep team.

Not nearly as deep as it used to be.

Odd note: the team this year has no juniors.  Senior day ceremonies won't take place next season unless they get an unexpected transfer or someone graduates early

Here's the box score for the game:

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/womensbball/GAME11.HTM
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 04, 2007, 05:49:10 pm
That's odd. How do you miss having an entire class of players. ???

Glad the break is ending and the games are soon to begin. And I'll be in STL next weekend.  8)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 06, 2007, 06:26:00 pm
Fontbonne defeats Blackburn 71-45. I haven't found a box score yet.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 10, 2007, 12:09:03 pm
Looks like Maryville continues to roll.

 I also noted Webster and MacMurray are both 3-1 in conference. Has anyone seen either of these teams play? I was wondering because I'll be watching Fontbonne play MacMurray this Saturday.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 10, 2007, 07:35:35 pm
jdoug, I have seen all of Webster's home games, including their win over MacMurray (which of course is MacMurray's only conference loss -- and also the only time I've seen MacMurray).

Not to worry when it comes to Fontbonne vs MacMurray. It would be a real upset for MacMurray to win. They have 2 seniors and the rest freshmen.

And as I've posted earlier, Webster basically has an entire new team of players recruited over the summer. One player, who saw very limited action, is left over from last year's team.  Another player would have suited up last year but was injured. Still, she would not have seen much action, either.

I think you will see the sad state of SLIAC women's basketball this weekend as you watch MacMurray play and wonder how they can be 3-1 in the conference. Only Maryville and Fontbonne have anything remotely resembling a solid team.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 11, 2007, 03:32:01 am
y_jack_lok, have you seen Greenville play? They looked much improved in a non-conference game at Eureka in early December and held a 4 point lead at Maryville with 10 minutes to play Tuesday. I would consider Greenville a solid team as well. That said, they already lost at home to Fontbonne. Eureka kind of did the same thing at Fontbonne earlier. EC stayed in the game into the second half before falling way behind and then coming back to lose by 8. Eureka has added some players and have had a few holdovers step up recently, so hopefully I'll see some improved play from the Red Devils in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 11, 2007, 09:48:33 am
Haven't seen Greenville or Eureka play, but I know Greenville has been relatively competitive in the past, so your observations don't surprise me. Also, I  hope Eureka's new players help the team. It's no fun when one or two teams dominate a conference (except maybe for the dominant teams), so it will be good if anybody can make Maryville and Fontbonne work for their victories, or even pull an upset. Principia had last year's conference scoring leader, who was a freshman, so I would expect them to compete for a playoff spot. Still, the strength of the women's side of the conference isn't all that good.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 11, 2007, 11:35:12 am
I appreciate the breakdown on the conference. I know it appears as though Maryville and Fontbonne are the teams to beat, but there is always the opportunity for an upset. That's the great thing about sports. You can have that one player that has goes nuts and can't miss, or the superior team can just take it for granted and give it away.

Totally agree that a stronger overall conference is in everyone's best interest. For one thing it helps when you head into the tournament. I think it always helps to play tough competition. I think most people and most teams play to the level of the competition, whether it be D3 or pro teams.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: pantherpride06 on January 11, 2007, 05:43:50 pm
Greenville Breakdown:

Greenville is having a great season compared to that of last season.  The Panthers ended last season 7-18.  This season they are 6-4 and should supass last seasons win-loss record.  The team also has some talented freshman to go along with the upperclassman.  As I listen to them practice right now, I feel that they will  be a tough team to deal with.  Obviously Maryville and Fontbonne will be the top two teams.  Greenville has to be mentioned in the top for.  Greenville held SLIAC scoring leader Christina Speer (Principia) to seven points and lost to Maryville by 14ish.  Maryville's margin of victory over SLIAC teams is near 36 a game and Greenville fought with them to a 14 pt loss (5 pt lead for GC w/ 10 minutes to go.)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 12, 2007, 03:52:51 pm
I'm sure there will be plenty of good games throughout  conference play.

And here I am getting excited to fly into STL tomorrow morning and they're expecting freezing rain.  ??? What the heck is up with that? No offense to STL but I have to fly in and fly out tomorrow. I sure hope the weather holds up reasonable well.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 13, 2007, 12:16:00 am
Ouch! Tough loss for Fontbonne against Principia. I expect things will eventually shape with Maryville, Fontbonne, Greenville and Principia at the top of the coonference.

Webster played Eureka surprisingly close. Eureka's Nicole Fisher is very good, but her supporting cast is a couple of rungs down the ladder from her talent level. Nevertheless, they are well coached and run their offense nicely.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 14, 2007, 09:47:04 am
An observation about yesterday's Webster-Blackburn game. Blackburn started out well and looked pretty good. Webster made a comeback and took a 4 point lead into halftime as Blackburn went cold. Webster extend the lead in the second half to about 12 or 13 points a couple of times. During this stretch Blackburn's coach looked and acted very unhappy with his team, but did not call a time out to get them back in synch. Very late in the game Blackburn made a little run to get the deficit under 10. Their coach did then call a couple of time outs, but Blackburn couldn't even the score.

I am not a coach, so perhaps I'm overstepping my bounds here. If so I apologize. Nevertheless, I think their coach did his team a disservice by displaying such obvious, almost cynical, dissatisfaction with his team's play. If he had called at least one earlier time out and tried to pump up his troops, give them a positive message, etc. then Blackburn certainly has good enough players to respond and beat a team like Webster. Meghan Polston is a talented player, and with a little help and positive reinforcement, she and her team might have been able to change the outcome.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 15, 2007, 01:51:46 pm
jdoug, did you get to St. Louis to see Lauren play, or did the weather prevent you from coming? If you made it, I'd love to get your thoughts and observations.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 15, 2007, 04:49:30 pm
I did make it STL to watch the game against MacMurray. The loss to Prinipia was a tough one. My niece said the coach didn't want them to even speak after the game, but that soon passed. Lauren said Principia was just hitting everything they threw up and no one for Fontbonne could buy a bucket. Those games happen.

As for the game I did get to see, and thank you Southwest for getting me back home, it was great to see a game in person. MacMurray was just outmanned. As noted on this board they are a bunch of freshman. There was one freshman that played really well for them, I don't recall her name. She was 5'9'' and had a nice game around the bucket. She did most of the damage for MacMurray. As for Fontbonne, they played pretty well. Lauren was 5 of 7 from the field and had 12 points. On offense they ran their plays and looked as though they knew what they were doing. Defensively they played ok. Since the  starters played so little it was difficult to get a real gauge on their abilities as a team.
 From my brief scouting excursion I'd say they look as though they'd be a tough team when they are pressing on defense and playing man to man. Offensively they have some good shooters and it appears as though only one post player.

Hopefully I'll be back up to STL in Feb for a game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 15, 2007, 06:12:59 pm
jdoug, glad you made it up and back safely, that Lauren had a good game, and that Fontbonne won, which, of course, was no surprise. If you hope to come back in February on a Saturday for a Fontbonne home game your choices appear to be limited to the 3rd against Blackburn or the 17th against Lincoln Christian. Or, you might shoot for the 24th for the finals of the SLIAC torunament, which Fontbonne has a good shot at making -- although you never can tell about those things.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 15, 2007, 06:33:19 pm
It was good to see Lauren, just wish she could have played more. Of course it made sense to get everyone into the game. I know the remaining home games are few and far between. I guess I'll just have to see what my schedule allows. I'd love to go the SLIAC tourney. And Jack you're right, you never know what could happen once the playoffs start. I will be back for at least one more game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 16, 2007, 11:49:27 pm
Scores from tonights games.
Greenville over Webster 82-63
Principia over Blackburn 72-54
Eureka over MacMurray 63-51
Fontbonne over Westminster 84-58.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 17, 2007, 09:28:59 am
Saw the Webster-Greenville game. Greenville has a good team. I understand from pantherpride06 of Greenville, who posts mostly on the men's side, that Greenville played Fontbonne close most of their game before losing by 12. That was the first conference game of the season -- Dec. 6th. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Greenville win the next time they meet.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 17, 2007, 12:00:20 pm
Since I'm a little biased, I'm hoping Fontbonne continues to play well and wins out. However, all it takes is one or two players to get hot and anything can happen. Since I've only seen the one game against MacMurray I have no real clue as to the level of play for the other teams. It can be misleading to look results from previous games. Case in point: MacMurray defeats Principia by 4. Fontbonne defeats MacMurray by 32. Yet Principia defeats Fontbonne. ???
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Beaver_SID on January 17, 2007, 09:00:18 pm
Go Beavers!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 18, 2007, 02:50:18 am
y_jak_lok, you've see Eureka, Prin and Greenville. Is that correct? Eureka hosts Greenville Sat. and travels to Prin Tuesday. What are our chances in these 2 games. EC probably needs to win at least 1 to be in good shape for a top 4 spot. I know you think Prin will be a top 4 squad, but they lost to Mac. Eureka beat Mac fairly easily on Tuesday, granted it was at home.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 18, 2007, 09:42:05 am
I haven't seen Principia, so their loss to MacMurray is perplexing, especially given that Webster beat MacMurray. Webster plays Prin on Saturday, so I'll have a better idea then. As for Greenville, I think that overall they are deeper and more talented than Eureka. Eureka's Nicole Fisher may be the best player on the floor against Greenville, but then it seemed to me that the talent level dropped off noticeably. A word to the wise at Eureka. When #25 for Greenville, Tricia Frost, enters the game stick to her like glue and don't let her get off open 3's from the corner. She is a deadly shooter.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 18, 2007, 12:30:10 pm
Speaking of shooters, is it me or does anyone else think there tend to be better shooters on the women's side vs. the men's side? Maybe that's because I've watched more womens games. :-\
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: pantherpride06 on January 18, 2007, 01:30:00 pm
Well, I know on Greenville's women's side, we have two or three girls that are lights out when they get into a rhythm.  As y_jack_loc eluded to earlier, Tricia Frost is one of those shooters for us.  When she is on, watch out. 

Greenville played both Fontbonne & Maryville close.  Fontbonne by 12 and Maryville by 15.  Looking at SLIAC game w/ Maryville, we have played them the closest...

Webster - 31
Lincoln Ch. - 30
Eureka - 52
Greenville - 15
Blackburn 37

Not to mention, we were up 5 with 5-7 minutes to go (by what Coach Mo tells me.)  So, I think at Greenville, we may have a chance to stap that streak.  Can't take a thing away from Coach Ellis and that group of young ladies at MU.  I'd like to try to beat them though.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 18, 2007, 04:56:40 pm
I've always loved watching a great shooter. Especially one that has no conscience. If you're a shooter you have to keep shooting, even when they aren't falling. I've always told my niece she has to keep firing even if she starts cold. Plus I enjoy watching her pull-up from NBA range. Who needs to hover around the arc.

And Panther it does look like you have a good team. I just wish Fontbonne had a game against Greenville or Maryville on a Saturday.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 18, 2007, 11:23:41 pm
Fontbonne over Webster 81-58.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 18, 2007, 11:40:27 pm
Halftime of Webster-Fontbonne was 36-32 Fontbonne.  Coach must have used some strong words in the locker room because Fontbonne played much beter in the 2nd half. Webster gained two players this semester, but lost 2 as well, so the roster is still at 8, which means the girls all play a lot of minutes. Nevertheless, they play hard the entire game, and seem to have good stamina.

Jdoug, Lauren had a satisfactory game as far as I could tell. She was in and out a lot. I tend to focus more on the Webster players. It's easier for me to watch other players when Webster isn't one of the teams.

The repeat match up with Greenville, which is at Fontbonne on
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 18, 2007, 11:42:15 pm
...Tuesday, January 30th should be a good game. I'm thinking it will be closer than 12 points, even though Fontbonne will be the home team.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 18, 2007, 11:47:43 pm
Thanks for the update jack. It can be tough playing with a short bench, but it can also be a good thing if the ones you do have are good. Then you don't have to worry about playing too many kids.  The rest of the season should be interesting. I'll have to talk to Lauren later and ask her how her game was.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: pantherpride06 on January 19, 2007, 09:18:29 am
jdoug2:  I hope the Jan 30 meeting between Greenville and Fontbonne will be closer.  It will be tough for us coming down to Fontbonne.  Both the men and women's programs have has some problems coming there and trying to win.  Both programs need to get a big win there on 1/30.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 19, 2007, 09:29:24 am
jdoug, not only does Webster play with a short bench, they play with players who wouldn't start for Maryville, Fontbonne, or Greeville. Just about every other team in the conference has at least one player who could start for those teams. It is a real testament to the first year head coach who is about 26 years old and in her first college head coaching job (a couple of years of high school head coaching and one year as a D2 assistant) that Webster has any wins at all. As just a spectator, it seems to me that the players are responding to her coaching, learning their lessons well and getting the most out of their limited athletic ability. She even has them pressing now, which is new the past 2 or 3 games, and it is reaping some benefits. I look for Webster to be back in the thick of things possibly as early as next year.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 19, 2007, 10:14:52 am
Panther, while I'll be pulling for a Fontbonne win, I hope the game is close as well. I think tough wins against good teams are better for your program than blowouts versus patsies. Good wins harden you and get you ready for the playoffs.

Sounds like Webster has a good coach to lead them down the road. I've seen enough basketball to know what a good coach can do, espescially when the players begin to buy into the system. It happens on every level, a well coached team can sometimes sneak out a win against a team with more talent.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 19, 2007, 12:33:46 pm
Thanks for the report, y_jack. Hopefully, we'll be able to give Greenville and Prin a game this week. Outside shooting has not been Eureka's strong point this season. Nicole is having a great season and her teammates are a big part of it. There is some untapped talent on this team and the time is now to mesh things together and go on a run.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: pantherpride06 on January 19, 2007, 07:10:49 pm
eureka_sid... for you sake, I hope it's a good game...  on my end, I hope the ladies go out and take care of business like they did v. Webster.  In the first half, the ladies dominated.  They hit shots from everywhere.  They are having one of the best seasons offensively and defensively (statistically) in GC women's basketball history.  They scored 50 in the first half the other night.  That hasn't been done in a while against anyone.  They have many great leaders on the team.  One of which is senior guard Natalie Lappe. (Said Lap...)  She really makes they wheels go on our team.  Tough ball player.  Close to double doubles in assist and points the last few games.  She needs to show up big v. Eureka.

Go Lady Panthers.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 20, 2007, 01:40:58 am
jdoug, I saw Wash U destroy #2 Rochester tonight. Got there with 8 1/2 minutes left in the first half. Dee Dee was in the game. She played pretty well for 5 minutes in the first half (although Coach Fahey did scold her once for picking up her dribble without someone to pass to) and the final 2 minutes of the 2nd half. Stat sheet shows her as 0-1 from the field, 2 of 2 free throws (I saw those), 2 turnovers, one steal, and no rebounds (although I think that is wrong as I'm pretty sure I saw her get one). Anyway, nice to see her get some early playing time. Maybe this means she will get some more minutes over the last 10 games of the season.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 20, 2007, 03:24:11 pm
Thanks Jack. Great to hear DeeDee is getting some playing time. I know she can play at this level. She'll just have to earn the trust of the coach. Lord Knows that can be trying when dealing with a freshman.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 20, 2007, 07:08:29 pm
Scouting report for Eureka SID. Principia has a solid women's team. Three seniors -- #4 Avery Poindexter, #22 Sarah Jarvis, and #40 Leslie Nichols all play very well. Nichols had 25 points and 14 rebounds in their 78-58 win over Webster today. Sophomore Christian Speer, last year's conference soring leader, had 8 points and 7 rebounds. I believe the reason she didn't score more is that they weren't lookingg to go to her. But if you concentrate too much on Nichols, Speer can fill the void. Good luck on Tuesday.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Beaver_SID on January 20, 2007, 08:01:19 pm
BC def. Westminster 73-71

45 fouls calle din the game.

BC led by Mehgan Polston with 31 points and Lovie McClom with 14 points.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 21, 2007, 01:49:10 am
Sounds like an ugly game in Blackburn, but congrats to BC on their first win. There were 43 fouls when Blackburn played here earlier, so I'm guessing that won't be the last time they break the 40 foul barrier in a game.

Eureka played its most complete game that I have seen Saturday in 63-59 OT win over Greenville. The Panthers had a poor shooting day. Lappe was 3-20 on the day. Frost was 6-14 and 4-9 on threes. She hit a 3 with 7 seconds left in regulation to force OT. Then, barely touched the ball in overtime. Go figure.

This was a good game to watch. Both teams are well coached. Greenville I'm sure is not happy with how well they played and I would expect a tough game in the return visit. Looking at the standings, it appears the top half and bottom half separated Saturday. One of Greenville, Prin and Eureka will be left out of the top 4. Tuesday's game at Prin looms large.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 21, 2007, 09:03:50 am
Nice home win for Eureka over Greenville. Sounds like EC did a better job defending Tricia Frost than Webster did. In the Webster game she was 8-12 overall and hit 4-5 threes. Still, she had a good game against GC. Good to Eureka look against Prin on Tuesday. A win for EC will make the conference race more interesting with 5 teams in contention rather than 4.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 22, 2007, 03:56:15 pm
Really looking forward to the Maryville-Fontbonne game this Wednesday. Wish I was going to be there.

On another topic, does anyone know how the SLIAC tourney is set up? Top 8 teams are in? Any byes awarded? Is it Thursday-Saturday? Trying to figure this out now for flight information. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 22, 2007, 04:47:38 pm
jdoug, I may go over for Maryville/Fontbonne on Wednesday since Webster does not play again until Saturday.

Top 4 teams make the tournament.

According to the SLIAC Website (scroll to bottom of link below),

http://www.sliac.org/womens3/wbasketball/

the tournament starts Thursday 2/22. Winners will play on Saturday. The men play Friday and Saturday. This is done in case the same school has teams in both tournaments. The times for the championship games will probably be staggered to allow for people to attend both games -- assuming that is possible given locations. The regular season champion gets to host the tournament. Odds are pretty good that Maryville or Fontbonne will host on the women's side. The men's side is still wide open and may not likely be determined until the final games of the season on Tuesday 2/20.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 22, 2007, 04:55:59 pm
Thanks for the info Jack. I'll be interested in your report on the Maryville-Fontbonne game.

And thanks for the info on the SLIAC playoffs. Don't think I'll be able to make it, but Lauren's parents might be able to make it up there. I will be there Feb 3 and Feb 17. Hopefully we'll have better weather than the last trip.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 24, 2007, 10:31:53 am
Big game tonight. Fontbonne vs Maryville. I wish one of these schools were broadcasting over the web. Probably will have to wait until 10:30 to know who won the game. I hate waiting.


GO FONTBONNE!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 24, 2007, 01:28:19 pm
jdoug, I'll be there. While you may get the score before I get home to post anything, I'll give you my observations of Lauren's game. I may not pay as much attention to her as I would in a game against anyone else (except for Webster) because two Fontbonne players and two Maryville players played for Webster last season.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 24, 2007, 04:24:56 pm
I'll be looking forward to your report on Lauren and the game as a whole. I just wish the teams played on a Saturday. By the way, which 2 players on Fontbonne played for Webster?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 24, 2007, 05:12:37 pm
Amber Karnes and Liz Seeley. Liz also plays softball.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 24, 2007, 05:26:58 pm
Cool. Both of them played pretty well in the game I saw. Amber played tough defense and ran well. Liz pushed the ball when she got in. I've always been a fan of a team that plays tough D and then pushes the ball on offense.  Drives me nuts when a coach is always calling plays. Let them play ball.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 24, 2007, 11:16:53 pm
jdoug, Maryville 73-Fontbonne 58. All in all a pretty ragged game for both teams. Lauren played about like her teammates. I didn't keep track, but I'm guessing she had 12 or 13 points. Halftime score was 34-29 Maryville. Fontbonne hung tough as best they could. This game between two of the top four or five teams in the conference is clear evidence that SLIAC women's basketball has been declining for the past two years, notwithstanding Maryville's fine season last year and their win in the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: pantherpride06 on January 24, 2007, 11:30:09 pm
Final from Fulton, Mo.

Greenville 80, Westminster 78 (F)

Greenville was down one player, Frost (25), due to the flu bug.  Doctor sidelined her for two days and then starting guard, Reddell (20), was injured 3 mins into the game when she hit the floor and broke a tooth and cut her face open.  That required stitches.

Draege (40), King (35), Lappe (11), and Banal (10) all play alot of minutes all scored 15+ with Lappe playing all 40 and scoring 19.  Big win for Greenville.  It keeps them in the running for 2nd or 3rd with Fontbonne's loss tonight.  Maryville again may run away with a 18-0 mark in SLIAC play.  Wowzers.  It would be interesting to find the record for most conference wins w/o a loss at any level.  I'll work on that for tomorrow!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 24, 2007, 11:42:24 pm
Jack I appreciate the score and the report on the game, even though I'm not a fan of the outcome. :P My niece said they were fouling at the end to try and catch up. Obviously that didn't quite work.   :(

I was actually intending to ask about the overall quality of play in the SLIAC. From checking scores of the better teams in the conference against other conferences  it definitely appears as though the SLIAC is not one of the premier leagues. Is there a reason for this? I know several of the schools have a religous alignment, but not sure if this is a determining factor. Do other conferences simply place a greater emphasis on sports?

I guess in the end if the school graduates a productive kid and someone we can all be proud of that is all that really matters. Not so sure any of them will be in the NBA or WNBA. School should be preparing them for the "rest of their life".
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 24, 2007, 11:46:09 pm
Sounds like Greenville pulled out a tough one. Tough to overcome the loss of 2 key players. Congrats.

Still hoping someone can knock off Maryville. Not that I have anything against them, just rooting for Fontbonne and  a little balance.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 25, 2007, 09:40:29 am
jdoug, re your question about the SLIAC, I'm not sure what the answer is. The conference itself only formed about 23 years ago I think. Most, if not all, of the schools have been around longer than that, but none that I know of has a long history and tradition of athletic accomplishments. Eureaka, for example, left another conference to join the SLIAC this year so that they could compete on a more level playing field, as they were not succesful in the other conference. It was a good move for them and we SLIAC fans are happy to have them. I do think the conference is improving its competitiveness with other conferences in many sports, but slowly. And there will likely be a two steps forward, one step backward experience as time goes on. I think that women's basketball is in the one step backward phase at the moment, but I'm sure there will be steps forward in the coming years. Also, many of the non-St. Louis schools have quite small enrollments -- around 600-700 students, making it hard to field competitive teams in enough sports to be members of NCAA Division III.

Perhaps some other posters who know more than I do, would be willing to add more to this conversation, and correct me if I have said anything that is not accurate.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 25, 2007, 11:21:14 am
I guess I'm not too familiar with the enrollment of the schools in the SLIAC or in other conferences. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the school itself placing emphasis on sports. Just looking on this website at other conferences you can see how much more involved their fans are. They were discussing how one womens game had 2000 fans. And from what I'm guessing, most of the schools in the SLIAC would be happy with 10% of that total. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with either attention level. I'm merely trying to determine the level of play and support in this conference.

I would also like to hear from fans in other conferences. I like reading about all the teams in this central region.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 25, 2007, 12:34:48 pm
According to d3hoops here are the full-time undergraduate enrollments for the 10 SLIAC schools. I am assuming these figures were provided to d3hoops by the institutions.

Non St. Louis schools:
Blackburn - 585
Eureka- 498
Greenville - 1,159
Lincoln Christian - 576
MacMurray - 603
Principia - 545
Westminster - 888

St. Louis schools:Fontbonne - 2,300
Maryville - 1,474
Webster - 2,531
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 25, 2007, 11:27:00 pm
jdoug - the conference started play in 90-91 season. As for FU, 88-89 was the first year they played a full time college schedule. FU is very young in all sports. They were an all womens school till 30 years ago. The SLIAC womens basket ball has usually had 2-3 teams that have been competitive regionally. Started with FU then WU and now MU is on quite a run.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 26, 2007, 09:02:12 am
Women's basketball at Eureka began in 1975 and has an overall record about 70 games over .500. The Red Devils were regularly competitive in the old conference (NIIC) in the sports of women's basketball and softball, but struggled to to be in the top half in anything else. The SLIAC is a much better fit. The EC women's team made it to the conference championship game 2 years ago and was tied for 4th last season. Having watched the teams, they would have been able to give this year's Maryville team a tough game, especially the 2004-05 squad. This year's team has played well when its guards gave a good game, but obviously has a problem with turnovers (26.5/game).
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: pantherpride06 on January 26, 2007, 09:40:44 am
Wow.  Lots of good information on schools.  Greenville also started as an all girls school... however that was back in the 1855 when we were Almira College.  Name changed to Greenville in 1892.  I know the men started basketball in 1942.  Not sure when the women began.  I know they have played for a while.  I'll try to find out today when we began.  We were apart of the NAIA for a long time and didn't join the NCAA or SLIAC until 1995-96.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 26, 2007, 10:25:13 am
Very interesting info, indeed. Guess I was wrong about the age of the SLIAC. Maybe 23 years ago was when Webster added intercollegiate athletics.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 26, 2007, 11:01:09 am
That is tons of good info on the conference and it's schools. It's great to get all this info. Since we're talking D3 it's not like SI or ESPN is covering this stuff. I know all about D1 stuff, just trying to familiarize myself with SLIAC and D3 in general.  Am I getting this right, several teams moved to the SLIAC to be more competitive? Does that imply the SLIAC is a shade lower in it's sports emphasis and level of achievement?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 26, 2007, 11:47:40 am
I think it implies that the SLIAC is lower in achievment at this point, but I 'm pretty sure the conference and the member schools are doing what they can to become more competitive. It's slow going, however, given that institutions in other conferences have longer histories and records of success. Basketball isn't the only sport to think about. Mens and women's soccer, women's volleyball, women's softball, men's baseball, etc. are part of the picture as well. I think in some of those sports a few conference teams compete better against non-conference competition. Greenville, for example, has a long history of success in track and field.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Just Bill on January 26, 2007, 12:09:48 pm
jdoug2,

I thought I could share some thoughts on the Central Region as a whole.  The Central is always one of the top regions in the country.  From 1994-2002 a Central Region team played in the National Championship game, winning it six times.  Since 1996, the Central has 7 national titles (Wash U with four, UW-Oshkosh, UW-Stevens Point and Millikin 1 each).  Compare that to 2 for the Great Lakes and 1 each for the South and East over the same time frame.

The WIAC is historically the strongest conference in the Region, primarily because of the depth.  Since 1994, three different WIAC teams have played in the Final Four (Stevens Point (twice), Eau Claire (three times) and Oshkosh (twice)).  It might have been more had not Eau Claire and Oshkosh taken turns eliminating each other during that period. That doesn't even account for current WIAC leader Stout who has made strong tournament runs in the last two years and liekly will do so again.

The two UAA members of the Central Region are also very strong.  Washington U of course spent a good chunk of this time frame destroying everyone.  They won four straight national titles and won 70 straight home games at one point.  Wash U may be down a bit this year, but don't count on that lasting too long.  And now Chicago sits undefeated.  Generally, you can assume the top team in the WIAC and the top team in the UAA are in or very near the national top 10.

The CCIW is a confernece that has made big strides recently.  Always a top men's conference their women never quite measured up until Millikin broke through with a national title in 2005.   Now Illinois Wesleyan is holding down the fort, but Wheaton and Millikin are still powerful teams.  Carthage and North Park also make some noise occasionally.

The MWC is a very deep league, but usually lacks an elite level team.  Ripon, Carroll, Lake Forest, St. Norbert and Lawrence are usually very strong programs, but usually come up short in tournament times when they inevitably run up against the WIAC or the CCIW.

That leaves the SLIAC and the brand new NathCon.  The NathCon was a merger of the Lake Michigan Conference and the Northern Illinois-Iowa Conference.  (Eureka and Clarke, old NIIC members choose to go another route. Personally, I think Eureka's choice to join the SLIAC had as more to do with geography than competitive balance. I don't think Eureka thought travelling to Sheboygan and Fond du Lac for league games was a great idea.)  Generally, the teams in the NathCon don't last long against the Central top teams.

The SLIAC certainly went through a peak a few years ago.  Webster was battling eventual national champ UW-Stevens Point in a sectional and Fontbonne was knocking off Wash U from time to time.  Maryville of course has emerged recently.  You folks know the league better than I do, but it does seem to be down a bit. Hopefully it's a temporary condition that will right itself soon.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 26, 2007, 12:37:14 pm
First, I am really not trying to downgrade the SLIAC. Just want to make that clear. Second, I really would like to thank Bill and Jack for their info and perspectives. I had no idea the central region had this level of success in D3. Great to hear. And great to have people sharing on this posting site.

Here's hoping the SLIAC is on the rise.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 26, 2007, 01:22:04 pm
Great info from Just Bill. Thanks. By the way, Millikin defeated my alma mater, Randolph-Macon (South Region), in that 2005 national championship game. And it was 2002 when Webster went to the sweet 16 before that loss to eventual champ UW-Stevens Point.

Jdoug, it never occurrerd to me that you were trying to downgrade the SLIAC. I'm sure you wish it were a better conference, given that Lauren is playing for Fontbonne.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 26, 2007, 01:34:04 pm
jdoug - FC had a four yr. string of SLIAC titles from 97-01 then again in 02-03. FC has had a tradition of dominate post players. Starting with their first All-American Monica Jackson in '98. Amy Hauschild in '00 and '01. Liz Klotz in '03 and '04.

The '01 team stopped the second longest winning streak in NCAA history (Wooden's UCLA) beating Wash U. at home by 13 that year. They hosted the 1st rd. of the NCAA National Tournament, beating Rockford 83-47. Then traveled to Millikin to play in front of about 2500 against, I beleive, the #4 team in the country. FC won that game 69-56. They traveled to Minneapolis to play in the regional finals. FC played Wartburg and was defeated 82-78. The ladies, I still believe, might have been looking ahead to a rematch with Wash U for a chance to go to the Final Four. Wash U. won the National Championship. This team was lead by All-American (D3hoops All-American) Amy Hauschild, NCAA All-Regional Tourney selection Mellisa Stewart at point and a freshmen future All-American Liz Klotz. You can probably get Pat Coleman to give you a link to the D3hoops.com vault for some nice articles. This site did a great job covering the run.

On a side note: Amy Hauschild also is the only SLIAC player to be named POY in two sports in the same year (volleyball).

It has been the big three (FC, WU,MU) that has made the biggest splash.

Lauren's asst coach Maureen Roberts was the sixth man and a vital scorer on that team also. She holds the FU record for career three point shooting.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 26, 2007, 01:50:54 pm
Thanks for the info fcnews. I knew from Fontbonne's website and from the banners they've had success. You've given some real insight on a couple of their better years. I still think this years team can compete with Maryville. I know coaching is important, but the players still have to execute and make the plays. Especially the better players have to step up big in the more meaningful games. It's easy to pick out the better players on any team. I'd rather lose having my better players shooting and missing than someone else taking the shots. And I'm not just saying that because Lauren was 1-6 from the arc the other night.  ;) My friend's son is a freshman on a lower level D1 team, but he can shoot lights out. His coach has told him all season, if you're open shoot.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 26, 2007, 02:07:02 pm
As for as the SLIAC as whole. We have been very competitive regionally in both men and womens soccer, volleyball, softball, and the afore mentioned GC track program. We have lagged in the area of basketball mainly I beleive because of the age of our progams and the unproven factor. We traditionally never come out to favorably on our 1st rd. draws.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: pantherpride06 on January 26, 2007, 03:02:34 pm
I guess since I wear the hat of Administrative Assistant of Track & Field at Greenville, I'll throw in a little tag about GC Track.

Our head coach, Brian Patton, took over the program 13 years ago and has breeded many great athletes for Greenville.  We, as many of you know, are also associated with the NCCAA (National Christian Collegiate Athletic Associaion.)  Most school that are associated with that are obviously christian schools.  Some are also big NAIA schools as well (Bethel IN, Olivet Nazerene...)

We have won six NCCAA Outdoor National Championships and six NCCAA Indoor National Championships on the men's side.  We have had numerous athletes go on to the NCAA's and compete and place well.  As for the team going, the meet is usually way after school has been released for the summer and it is expensive keeping 80 athletes on campus for two extra weeks.  However, some go and compete individually. 

Last season, the women send 10 to the NCAA National Championships.  They also finished 3rd in the NCCAA indoor and 2nd in the NCCAA outdoor last season.

Cross Country, a conference sport, is one that has been dominated by Greenville as well.  Women has won 11 of the last 12 conference titles and men have won 10 consecutive.  We had one runner 2 years ago qualify for the NCAA XC Championships.  It's got more difficult to get in with the new way they take entries. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 26, 2007, 05:16:05 pm
Good to know Panther. I have a cousin who ran cross country for Fontbonne.  That's one of the reasons my niece ended up there. And I know what a challenging sport track and field can be.

Looking forward to the games tomorrow. And I'll be up there next weekend.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 27, 2007, 12:01:03 am
jdoug, tonight's Wash U box score shows DeDe (that's they way they spelled it, but I thought it was DeeDee) with 6 minutes, 0-2 from the field, 1-4 from the line, 2 rebounds, 1 foul, 1 assist. I'm going over for the NYU game on Sunday.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 27, 2007, 12:49:05 pm
Thanks Jack. I'm glad she's getting some time. She does need to hit those freebies though.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 27, 2007, 12:55:45 pm
Yea doug - Your cousin was a pretty fair runner. She held the school record in the 5K for quite a few years. She was the best 800 meter runner I ever coached. Now she's all grown up, educated and making a nice living. That's what being a student - athlete is all about.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 27, 2007, 01:24:16 pm
And I think she and her husband just bought their first house. Makes me feel old. And you're right in placing student before athlete. Hopefully I'll get to see her parents on one of these trips to watch Fontbonne. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 27, 2007, 01:45:50 pm
jdoug2, I'll try to post an update of today's Fontbonne/Eureka game at halftime. I should be able to fill you in on how Lauren (I think that's who you've been following) is doing at halftime and then after the game. I'm hoping for a close game, but the Red Devils will have to give their best effort. They did not have quite the same defensive spirit in the loss to Principia and it hurt them. EC really needs to win today to have a good shot at the top 4 since Greenville and Prin are likely to win today. Trying to make up 2 games could be tough.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 27, 2007, 02:08:04 pm
Eureka, that would be greatly appreciated. I hate having to wait so long to get scores.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 27, 2007, 03:00:45 pm
Eureka 38, Fontbonne 34 at halftime

Eureka led 31-19 with 6 min. to go, but Fontbonne picked up their defense and got some easy buckets. Leading scorers: Fisher (EC) with 13; Sharpe-Taylor (FU) with 12. Fontbonne was 11-17 of free throws, EC was 4-6. Lauren has 3 points (1-3 FG, 1-2 3PT), 1 reb, and 1 foul in 12 min. She hit a 3 with 7 sec. left in half to pull FU to 37-34. Turnovers are EC 12, FU 5. Eureka did a nice job of getting back on defense for the most part. We'll see how long it lasts.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 27, 2007, 03:03:02 pm
I know this is working out for your side so far, but I'm hoping for a Fontbonne rally. Sounds like a good game though. Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 27, 2007, 03:25:33 pm
According to d3hoops here are the full-time undergraduate enrollments for the 10 SLIAC schools. I am assuming these figures were provided to d3hoops by the institutions.

Non St. Louis schools:
Blackburn - 585
Eureka- 498
Greenville - 1,159
Lincoln Christian - 576
MacMurray - 603
Principia - 545
Westminster - 888

St. Louis schools:Fontbonne - 2,300
Maryville - 1,474
Webster - 2,531

These are the enrollment figures the schools provide the federal government. It's possible some of them might be a year behind but we're working on a way to standardize how we collect this information and make sure it's consistent across all our sites.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 27, 2007, 04:03:25 pm
Fontbonne 72, Eureka 59 FINAL

Leading scorers: Sharpe-Taylor and Karnes (FU) with 20
Fisher and Gardner (EC) with 15
It felt like we were playing Benedictine again. Fontbonne shot 31 FT, EC shot 13. FU is a solid team and well coached. Both teams struggled from the outside. Lauren had 3 pts (1-6 FG, 1-4 3PT), 2 reb, 1 ast, 1 foul in 28 min. The Red Devils had their chances, but let things get away from them mid-way through the 2nd. Stats are available on our web site from our women's basketball page. On to the men's game...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 27, 2007, 04:13:50 pm
I very much appreciate the info eureka sid. Looks like it was a hard fought game. Doesn't look like Lauren had a great game, but I hope she was playing some D.  I've already informed Lauren's parents about the game and they say thanks as well. Have a good one.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 27, 2007, 04:53:04 pm
Something else for you Doug. In the last USA Today / NCAA Academic Achievement Awards, FU ranked 8th among all div. III in student - athlete grad. rate above student body. FU athletes graduate at a 22% higher rate then non - athletes. These kids leave with degree's and great careers.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 28, 2007, 03:09:27 am
I apologize if I sounded a little salty in my previous post. It was a frustrating 2nd half for the Eureka faithful to say the least. I'll just leave it at that. Fontbonne is the better team.

jdoug, Fontbonne played tough defense, especially for the last 25 minutes of the game and Lauren played 28 minutes. It's tough to play that solid of defense if someone is out there slacking, so she did contribute defensively. SLIAC scoring leader Nicole Fisher could only get 1 shot off in the 2nd half, for pete's sake!

I'm a big FU fan now. We need them to hold serve against Prin and Greenville later on to help us out. Go Griffins!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 28, 2007, 09:46:14 am
Pat - Noticed your comment on the enrollment numbers. I am all most certain that the figure quoted for FU includes under grads in our options program also. I could be wrong, but FC just went over 1250 a few years ago. I know we have not doubled enrollment since.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2007, 12:09:07 pm
Yeah, the round number is a giveaway that that's a number we got from the school, not the government. I hadn't checked that one in a while. :)

Round numbers (aka rounded-up numbers) are the reason why we don't take numbers from schools anymore.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 28, 2007, 12:10:56 pm
Eureka, I didn't notice you being "salty", probably just frustrated. We can all relate to that. I'm glad Fontbonne locked down on the defensive side of the ball. And since only the top 4 get in, I'll appreciate you having a rooting interest in the Griffins.

Fc news, that is incredible stats on the athletes at Fonbonne. I do know the academics were one of the reasons Lauren ended up at your place. I know once Lauren had that slip her first semester she has been doing pretty well with the books. All of us down here want her and the team to be successful, but it's far more important to get a great education.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 28, 2007, 07:20:07 pm
jdoug, I went to the Wash U-NYU game today. It was a pretty good game. DeDe (or is it Dee Dee, please let me know) played about 3-4 minutes in the middle of each half. She made a nice drive around a defender on the left side of the lane for a layup for her only two points. I think she missed one other shot, had one foul, had a steal, then had the ball stolen back before she could get 5 feet. I love her energy on the floor.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 29, 2007, 12:39:21 pm
I could have swore it was DeeDee but I might be wrong. I'll try to remember to ask my niece. It is great to hear she is getting more time. I knew she could play at this level. We were hoping she'd go to Fontbonne, but the bigger power won out.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: mark_reichert on January 30, 2007, 02:22:30 pm
jdoug, I went to the Wash U-NYU game today. It was a pretty good game. DeDe (or is it Dee Dee, please let me know)

According to the roster it's DeDe:

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/womensbball/womensbballroster.html

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played about 3-4 minutes in the middle of each half. She made a nice drive around a defender on the left side of the lane for a layup for her only two points. I think she missed one other shot, had one foul, had a steal, then had the ball stolen back before she could get 5 feet. I love her energy on the floor.

I do too.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 30, 2007, 03:52:45 pm
Good thing I didn't have any money on it. So I've known the kid 3 years and I can't spell her name.  :-[ She will definitely pay dividends for Wash U. Good player and a better kid. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 30, 2007, 04:08:06 pm
And not to beat everyone down, but I have a couple of general questions. First, why are the women playing the late games(8pm) during the week? For attendance. Second, next to our vitals on this site one of the itmes listed is Karma. What the heck is that about? Just wondering. Looking forward to the game vs Greenville tonight.

As always, GO FONTBONNE!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 30, 2007, 11:58:07 pm
jdoug, condolences (sp??) on Fontbonne's loss tonight to Greenville. I think I posted a few weeks ago, after seeing Greenville play Webster, that they had a pretty good team. The outcome does not surprise me.

A few years ago the SLIAC elected to go away from the format of always having women's games first, then men's games. I don't know if there is any specific rationale for why the men play first on weekdays and the women play first on weekends. Somebody more in the know will have to answer that one.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: pantherpride06 on January 31, 2007, 02:42:22 am
Lady Panthers really played well tonight.  Came out strong and I don't think Fontbonne ever had more than a 5-6 pt lead.  Wow...

As for the scheduling...  I think it had to do w/ Webster's women's coach... a while back...  He thought it should alternate.  The did that and now he is gone.  Greenville would much rather have women at 6 and men at 8 because unlike everyone in the conference (not being mean, just truthful), we have a decent crowd every night.  When the girls play first, they have a huge crowd for the 2nd half of their game and they love it.  Now, they see a packed house for the 6 game and everyone leaves. 

I vote to change it back!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 31, 2007, 04:06:15 pm
Jack, you did call this win over Fontbonne. Good scouting. Just from looking at the the stats it looks like what normally happens to the Griffins, too many turnovers and getting out rebounded. Panther if you have anything to add I'd be interested. Congrats by the way.

And thanks for the info on the scheduling. I assumed it was something like that.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 31, 2007, 08:19:25 pm
jdoug, I scrolled back back to see my "prediction" about the second Fontbonne-Greenville game. I was my usual ambiguous self, saying that I "wouldn't be surprised" at a Greenville win. I appreciate that you tought I had called the game correctly, however. I'm generally not comfortable predicting outcomes, so I just make these vague statements that sometimes make me look good, but have the benefit of keeping me from being totally wrong.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 31, 2007, 08:23:33 pm
That's it y_jack, don't get to far out on that limb. Hey you missed FREE Pizza last night.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 01, 2007, 09:02:11 am
To further add to the scheduling scenario :

The conference seems to rotate each year, I would think to give both men and women equal footing in scheduling over time

Last year, when the conference had 8 teams and a strict Wednesday - Saturday schedule in January and February was sufficient, the rotation had the men playing late on Wednesday, and the women playing early, while on Saturday afternoons, the women played late  and the men played early. That was the reverse of the prior season (2005).

This year with the addition of two teams, scheduling quirks abound with several weeks of 3 games.  Clearly what they have done is again reverse, with men late on Saturday afternoons and early on weeknights.  HOWEVER, it seems when the third game is a Friday night, it's up to the individual schools - note next Friday there are 4 men's at 8:00,  but the Fontbonne men are listed at 6:00
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 01, 2007, 09:30:36 am
fcnews, when I heard hopefan was going to be there I knew the odds of my getting a piece of pizza were slim to none, so I just told him to eat my share.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: pantherpride06 on February 01, 2007, 10:14:58 am
Speaking of the pizza, thanks for that fcnews.  I was very hesitant of stepping into the student union because I was wearing my Greenville coat and all the players and students were all getting pizza.  So, I had a peice or two.  I was a little scared! :)  Thanks for that.

Great Matchup in Greenville tonight.  A chance for the Panthers to shatter the 50 game win streak?  Any takers on Greenville?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 01, 2007, 11:44:22 am
There's free pizza after the games? :o I don't remember seeing any buffet when I was up there a couple of weeks ago. My sister, brother-inlaw and I had some "St Louis" style pizza when we were up there. It was different.

And good luck to y'all tonight Panther.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 01, 2007, 12:00:22 pm
I'll depart from my usual waffling position. I'll take Greenville tonight.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 01, 2007, 12:40:10 pm
Doug it is an effort to get the students to the games. The Pizza deal started about 3 home games ago. Numbers have been better. 96 students got tickets the first time and for GC their were 128.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 01, 2007, 01:17:15 pm
I see. Sounds like a good idea. Anything to get the students out sounds like a winner.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 02, 2007, 11:14:30 am
Looks like Greenville gave Maryville quite a game last night. At least someone can hang with them.

Looking forward to my trip tomorrow to watch Fontbonne vs Blackburn.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 02, 2007, 01:00:30 pm
Hey doug, Safe travel. I'll ask Lauren to point you out to me. It would be very nice to meet you.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 02, 2007, 04:45:34 pm
Thanks fcnews. I'll be there with Lauren's mom, my sister. Not looking forward to the cold weather.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 03, 2007, 01:10:35 am
I've given myself 3 days to cool off about this, but it's still eating at me, so I would like to get this off my chest. First of all, I work for Eureka College, as you could guess by my name and I'm aware that what I write on this board not only reflects on the school I work for, but also the SLIAC overall as a conference. I apologize if this is not the right place to vent, but let me assure everyone that I am saying this as a college basketball fan. I do not want my opinions to reflect how everyone feels at Eureka. This is just me being a basketball fan.

There was an incident that happened at the end of the Blackburn/Eureka women's game on Tuesday that truly angered me and sadly, from what I've learned since, I have lost some respect for certain groups and individuals. Blackburn had played a great game against Eureka and was on the verge of their best win of the season. BC was up I believe 10 with under 3 minutes to go when a Blackburn player passed the ball to a teammate and immediately punched a Eureka player in the stomach. None of the officials saw the punch. The Blackburn player was not immediately pulled from the game even though the punch happened right in front of the BC bench. She was taken out before play started again, but was soon put back in after EC had scored a basket.

I may have heard the rule wrong, but I was told the NCAA has a mandatory 1 game suspension for a player throwing a punch in a game. I was shocked to find this was only a 1 game  suspension when NBA players have recently been charged upwards of 15 games to a punch thrown. Secondly, as weak as it is, the NCAA rule I was told is not enforcable in this case anyway because the referees did not call anything. I have learned that Blackburn has suspended the player. I hope they went above and beyond the NCAA rule, but after the coach put the player right back in the game even though they still had a comfortable lead, I'm sceptical. There was also a lot of extremely rough play in first game between BC and EC in Eureka. I know Blackburn played a non-conference game Thursday, so maybe the Beavers will be short a player when you watch them Saturday, jdoug. Either way, I hope Fontbonne's players get through the game unscathed. It benefits the conference as a whole if all of the team operate at full strength. Teams have enough trouble staying healthy over the course of the season without having to worry about cheap shots.

Tuesday was my first visit to Blackburn. Everyone I met was very nice and I enjoyed my time at the Beaver Dome very much until the very end of the women's game. It's a shame a few bad apples have dimmed my perception of the entire day.

Again, I apologize if I have over-stepped my bounds here, but I really felt this incident needed to be aired somewhere, sometime. I know I feel better already.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 03, 2007, 11:28:24 am
euereka_sid, from my point of view there is no problem with your post above about the incident at the Euerka-Blackburn game, regardless of your affiliation wiht Eureka College. In addition to the fans, most coaches & athletic directors read these posts, as probably some of the players do also. They need to know that fans are watching and are concerned about these things. Sometimes there can be disagreement about exactly what took place in a given set of circumstances. I would expect that if anyone affiliated with Blackburn saw the incident differently, or could give a reason why the player might have done what you describe, then they would step up and post a rebuttal. At that point both sides of the incident would have been expressed and hopefully everyone could move on. However, I would hate to see this site become a forum for an ongoing argument.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2007, 04:37:21 pm
I think suspending a player 15 games of an 82-game season might be fair.

Suspending a player 15 games of a 25-game season is not proportionally appropriate. Think about that for a second -- in the NCAA your CAREER is 100 games without postseason play.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 05, 2007, 08:04:30 am
I don't see your point, Pat. 15 games out of an 82 game schedule is over 18% of the entire season. A 1 game suspension out of a 26 game season is less than 4%. That's not even close.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 05, 2007, 10:11:24 am
EC_SID - There were no incidents in the FU v. BC game. Then again it was like 48 - 23 early. Also, if the siruation has got you that bothered, I'm sure the Commish would be willing to take a look at it. If EC decided to submit it.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 05, 2007, 12:35:44 pm
Eureka sid I see your point. If none of the refs noticed the punch I'm not sure how the SLIAC can step in. However, that does not preclude the coach of Blackburn from suspending the player for a few games. I know things can get out of hand in the heat of the game, but there is no excuse for punching another player. Whenever something like this happens you always wonder if the punishment, or lack thereof, is dependent upon the level of the player. Star player gets a slap on the wrist. Benchwarmer gets suspended for 5 or so games.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 01:32:30 pm
I don't see your point, Pat. 15 games out of an 82 game schedule is over 18% of the entire season. A 1 game suspension out of a 26 game season is less than 4%. That's not even close.

You aren't willing to concede that 15 games out of 25 -- 60% -- is unreasonable? Boy -- going to have a hard time having a meaningful discussion with you about it then. That was my actual point.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2007, 01:35:07 pm
I'm sure the administration at Eureka will be happy to know that their athletic department spokesperson is coming out in opposition to Blackburn's athletic department and NCAA rules.

You should consider remembering your position when you post statements like that. Any statement you make publicly represents your department.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 05, 2007, 01:43:44 pm
Since the refs missed the punch I guess it does fall to the coach. Missing 1 game seems trivial, but 15 games seems too harsh. There has to be a happy medium between 1 and 15 games. Of course I'm saying this having not seen the game.

In the end, I doubt anything comes of this.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Just Bill on February 05, 2007, 03:06:18 pm
In other leagues, if they play was clearly documented on videotape, the commissioner can issue a suspension.  I know of one (maybe two) occasion that occurred in the WIAC and a suspension was issued after the fact even though no violation was called at the time.  It depends on the the rules of the particular league.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 05, 2007, 04:56:52 pm
As for the game Saturday, Fontbonne vs Blackburn, like FCnews said it was never that close. By the way, glad to finally meet you FC. Fontbonne was able to actually out rebound someone and Blackburn had no answer for the inside game of Kristen Chamberlain and Liz Sharpe-Taylor. That plus Mandi Newsome having a great shooting and rebounding game was plenty. My niece also had several nice lefty floater shots. Looks like some of that work in the summer playing ball with the guys helped her a bit. Fontbonne has a nice gym, I just wish they had more fans at the game. Oh well. I'll be back for the Feb 17th game. Until then, I'll be keeping up via the net.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 06, 2007, 08:57:54 am
I don't see your point, Pat. 15 games out of an 82 game schedule is over 18% of the entire season. A 1 game suspension out of a 26 game season is less than 4%. That's not even close.

You aren't willing to concede that 15 games out of 25 -- 60% -- is unreasonable? Boy -- going to have a hard time having a meaningful discussion with you about it then. That was my actual point.

Suspending a player for 60% of the season would be way too long. Of course, I never said they should be suspended 15 games. I was just susprised at the difference in percentage of games missed (18% vs. 4%).

I also never said that I was in opposition with the Blackburn athletic department. I didn't even know what the BC athletic dept. decision was, so how could I be in opposition to it? I was upset the BC coach put a player back in the game only seconds after she had punched an EC player and I disagree with the NCAA rule that a player is only suspended 1 game for punching someone. So what's wrong with that? If I said I didn't like using a 30 sec. shot clock, would that be different? That's an NCAA rule too. I don't have to agree with everything the NCAA does.

Pat, I have said before how thankful I am for all you do for D3 sports, but please don't insult my intelligence by saying you can't have a meaningful discussion with me.

O.K., so I'm done with that. Let's move on to the rest of the season. Fontbonne has definitely not helped out Eureka much this season.  Not only did they beat us twice, but they went and lost to Prin and Greenville. What's up with that?  :(
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 06, 2007, 10:00:42 am
Eureke sid, sorry about Fontbonne not helping you out. They do play Principia this Friday. Maybe there's still a chance to make it into the top 4.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 06, 2007, 01:51:40 pm
You aren't willing to concede that 15 games out of 25 -- 60% -- is unreasonable? Boy -- going to have a hard time having a meaningful discussion with you about it then. That was my actual point.

Pat, I have said before how thankful I am for all you do for D3 sports, but please don't insult my intelligence by saying you can't have a meaningful discussion with me.

Uhm, what I said was IF you think that 60% is unreasonable then I am GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME having a meaningful discussion with me.

I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence. But you seemed to misunderstand a fairly clear couple of sentences I wrote to you.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 06, 2007, 11:19:46 pm
Fontbonne 89 Westminster 66.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 07, 2007, 02:10:37 am
Eureka played a much improved game tonight despite missing a key post player defeating MacMurray 59-41. Once again, I see Prin and Greenville escaped with close victories. This could get frestrating in a hurry as EC cannot control its own playoff destiny now. For now, we just have to do what we can do and hope for the best at the end.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 07, 2007, 10:27:54 am
Eureka sid, that's one of the things I don't get. Principia and Greenville scrape by with wins over teams Fontbonne blows out, yet Principia and Greenville can defeat Fontbonne. Oh well. I guess it will all be decided come the playoffs anyway.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 09, 2007, 03:49:08 pm
Looking forward to the big game tonight between Fontbonne and Principia. The teams are tied at 10-3. Winner has the inside track to 2nd place. Although, I guess 2nd or 3rd really doesn't matter when the playoffs start. You wind up playing each other anyway.

GO FONTBONNE !!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 09, 2007, 07:54:33 pm
Halftime PC 42 FU 38
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 09, 2007, 08:16:19 pm
PC 49 FU 45 -15 to go
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 09, 2007, 08:28:25 pm
Thanks for the updates fcnews. What the heck is the problem?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 09, 2007, 10:03:04 pm
FU gets robbed by the zebra's> Loses by 8 I beleive.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 09, 2007, 10:27:14 pm
That's what I heard. I heard the coach lost it after a terrible call at the end. Of course, if you put yourself in that position...

How did my niece play? Sounds like she was benched for a while.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 10, 2007, 04:11:38 pm
Fontbonne defeats MacMurray today. My niece didn't give me a score.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 10, 2007, 04:34:54 pm
Not to jump the gun, but what the heck. Does anyone know how seeding is handled between 2 teams with the same record and have split the regular season meetings? Point differential? Coin flip? Meet at midcout and talk about stemware and nice wedding gifts?  :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 10, 2007, 08:01:45 pm
As I understand it the first tie breaker is how the tied teams did against the team immediately below them. If there is still a tie, then the second tie breaker is head-to-head competition. Someone out there correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 11, 2007, 07:07:55 pm
jdoug, looks like I was wrong in my tie breaker explanation. Following is a post from the men's side of the SLIAC site addressing the tie beraker:

According to the SLIAC website, here's the tie-breaker rules:

For all two way ties, other than for fourth, the procedures are, in order: 1) Head-to-Head competition between the tied teams. 2) Record of the tied teams against other teams starting with highest. 3) Total point differential in the games between the tied teams. 4) Coin flip conducted by the Commissioner.

For multiple team ties, including for fourth, the procedures are, in order: 1) Head-to-Head competition between the tied teams. 2) Total point differential in games between the tied teams. 3) Coin flip conducted by the Commissioner.

For two way ties for fourth the procedures are, in order: 1) Head-to-Head competition between the tied teams. 2) A playoff, on a neutral court selected by the Commissioner, on the Wednesday or Thursday prior to the Tournament.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 11, 2007, 07:11:09 pm
jdoug, one other thing. I was at the Wash U - Case Western women's game today. DeDe didn't play. Wash U cam in 8-2 in the UAA and Case Western 1-9, but Case Western kept it close and interesting. I left with Wash U up by 9 and 29 seconds to go. Eleven players got in the game for Wash U. I was surprised that DeDe didn't get at least a couple of minutes.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 11, 2007, 10:14:17 pm
y_jak has the tie-breakers correct. I don't see them coming into play this year unless Eureka can upset Prin on the last day of the season.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 12, 2007, 05:52:55 pm
Thanks for all the info Jack. Barring a Fontbonne upset of Maryville later this month it looks like Fontbonne and Greenville could end in a tie. In that case it would appear Greenville earns 3rd. Please correct me if I'm wrong anyone.

And the Texas contingent will return to Fontbonne this Saturday.  :o
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: pantherpride06 on February 12, 2007, 06:00:18 pm
If Fontbonne & Greenville end in a tie then, yes, Greenville would get the tie breaker..

Why???

Fontbonne v. Maryville: 0-2
Fontbonne v. Principia: 0-2
Fontbonne v. Greenville: 1-1 -- 1-5

Greenville v. Maryville: 0-2
Greenville v. Principia: 1-1
Greenville v. Fontbonne: 1-1 -- 2-4

I would much rather draw Principia in Rd. 1 than Maryville.  However, I think we (Greenville) can beat Maryville.  We have played them closer than anyone.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 12, 2007, 06:10:51 pm
Panther I agree with you. However, someone is going to need to beat Maryville at some point. Might as well beat them in the first round.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: pantherpride06 on February 12, 2007, 10:11:56 pm
This is true.  Someone has to get them.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 12, 2007, 10:53:15 pm
This could be the time to start with the "wait until next year" chant.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: pantherpride06 on February 13, 2007, 10:43:34 am
When it comes to beating Maryville?  I don't think so.  They have had better teams in the past.  Again, I feel that Greenville has a good shot at knocking them off.  MU fans were sweating a little at Greenville a week or so ago. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 13, 2007, 06:25:38 pm
I hate the , "wait til next year" stuff. I think if any of other top 4 teams is "on" then there is the chance of an upset.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 13, 2007, 10:28:36 pm
In a post 2 weeks ago I picked Greenville to beat Maryville at Greenville on February 1st. It didn't happen. I agree that Maryville had a better team last year, and perhaps the year before, even though they lost to Webster in the championship game of the SLIAC tournament at Maryville that year (2005). I think this year the handwriting is on the wall. What is very unlikley to happen this year, however, is Maryville advancing past the first round of the NCAA tournament.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 13, 2007, 11:56:31 pm
Don't sleep on PC Lady Panthers!! I think they have the size and the shooters to cause the other 3 teams trouble.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 14, 2007, 12:26:44 am
I think depth holds Prin back at times. Prin's starting 5 is as talented as any in the league, but Maryville comes at you in waves. I don't see Prin holding up over 40 minutes.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 16, 2007, 06:23:36 pm
Headed back up to STL tomorrow. Looking forward to the game.

GO FONTBONNE!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 18, 2007, 04:44:18 pm
Fontonne wins over Lincoln 74-53. My niece has a career high of 19pts.

Greenville, Principia, Maryville and Westminster also win on Saturday.

Playoffs start Thursday.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 18, 2007, 04:54:15 pm
Has Greenville's season gone better, worse, or about as expected? (WLC knocked them off in Milwaukee earlier. WLC started out 10-1 in the NAthCon, went into a bit of a slump, but still qualified for NAthCon playoffs with a 13-6 in-conference regular season record.)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 19, 2007, 02:20:41 am
Congrats to the Greenville Panthers on qualifying for the SLIAC Tournament.  It was obvious they weren't playing their best game Saturday vs. Eureka, but they gutted out a 56-54 win.  Eureka didn't play great either and it didn't help being a tad short-handed. Only 1 game left for the Red Devils. Hopefully it will be a memorable one Tuesday on Senior Night vs. Prin.

WLCALUM83, I've seen Greenville play 3 times, once each of the last 3 months. The best game I've seen them play was in December vs. Clarke. The other 2 games were vs. Eureka. I should point out I think Eureka matches up well with Greenville, which might be the reason GC didn't look as good in those 2 match ups. Overall, GC has been consistent throughout the year, which is why they made the postseason.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: MUalltheway on February 19, 2007, 02:16:31 pm
As the conference tourney is approaching and everyone is discussing who they think will come out on top, I think its interesting the lack of support that Maryville has received. Maryville has won 59 or some odd straight conference games. Every time they step on the floor they face everyones best game of the season. I dont think anyone can honestly say that any other team in the conference has the talent or the depth to compete with Maryville for an entire 40 minutes. Yes Greenville played them close at Greenville and congrats on Greenvilles great season but realistically speaking it would be very tough for anyone to beat Maryville on their home floor.  Not only does Maryville have the talent but also the experience in big game situations.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Fawkes316 on February 19, 2007, 03:22:09 pm
That's the kind of stuff that goes up in opponents' locker rooms, and gets said right before a team loses its winning streak.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: MUalltheway on February 19, 2007, 05:02:11 pm
If a team is going to lose a winning streak over someone talking bout that winning streak then it is definitely time for that streak to be over. Games are won or lost on a basketball court not because someone hangs up a post in a locker room to get fired up for a game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 19, 2007, 06:43:49 pm
MU I don't think anyone was slighting Maryville. Quite the contrary, everyone knows they are the topdog right now. As for why no one was talking about them... I've never seen anyone post anything about them. I have been wondering why no one ever spoke on their behalf. Heck, I if lived up there I'd love to watch them play Fontbonne.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 19, 2007, 11:41:10 pm
MU, as jdoug notes, no one has been posting on behalf of Maryville. Everyone who posts here has an interest in a different school. So it looks like you just applied for and have been awarded the job of speaking for Maryville.

I must say that a one horse race is pretty boring. Maryville clearly has more talent than any other SLIAC team. But it will surprise me if they win their first NCAA tournament game. They are not as talented as last year.

To deviate from the SLIAC for just a moment, while remaining in St. Louis,  I've seen Wash U's women play a number of time this season. They are no where near as talented as in the past. I don't think they are good enough to be ranked #12. I predict they won't go far in the NCAA tournament either. I think there are a number of women's teams out there, perhaps in the lower quarter of the top 25, who no one has on their radar screen that will surprise everyone in the tournament. I don't know exactly which ones they are, but I believe they are out there.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 20, 2007, 09:31:06 am
jdoug, forgot to congratulate you on Lauren's excellent game on Saturday. When they played Webster last Wednesday she didn't do anything noteworthy in the first half, and I couldn't stay for the second half. Always good to bounce back from a mediocre performance and show what you are capable of.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: bearsfan on February 20, 2007, 11:30:11 am
To deviate from the SLIAC for just a moment, while remaining in St. Louis,  I've seen Wash U's women play a number of time this season. They are no where near as talented as in the past. I don't think they are good enough to be ranked #12. I predict they won't go far in the NCAA tournament either.

It is difficult to compare any Wash U team to the championship teams of the past. If you look at the records and point differentials of those teams, they where far and away better than almost any other team ever in Division III. To compare current teams to them is an unfair comparison.

This year's Wash U team went undefeated against the SLIAC (which hasn't happened in the last two seasons) and are currently 11-2 in the UAA with sweeps of Brandeis and Rochester and a split with NYU who were all ranked in the top 10 at some point this season. They lost by 3 at Chicago in a game they had many opportunities to win. They have a young team that has taken some time to gel and find their place and is why they struggled early but they definitely have worked hard and earned their #12 ranking. They have alot of talent from the games I have watched and will not be an easy out in the tournament.

Their inexperience has led to alot of up and down play throughout the season but that is to be expected anytime you have a team starting sophomores and playing numerous freshmen. The last 5 champions since those Wash U teams of the past (Hope, Milikin, Wilmington, Trinity, and Stevens Point) have all been young teams who were off the radar until the end of the season but figured out how all the pieces fit together in time for the important games. This years Wash U team has hit their stride during UAA play and while maybe not as good as the teams of the past (who were frequently in the top 10) are still a top 25 team.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 20, 2007, 12:56:55 pm
MU, the way I see it, the fact that no one on here has really been talking about Maryville should be seen as a testiment to their dominance. With as long as a winning streak that they have going, it's no secret that teams will get fired up to play them and often just playing MU to a close game could make a team's season. For better or worse, many times message boards are used to tear down teams rather than build them up. So the fact that no one on here has been even attempting to tear Maryville down speaks volumes in my mind.

Anyone who has followed the SLIAC women's race this year knows it will take a titanic effort to upset Maryville. But the facts are Greenville has played them tough twice and I would not be surprised to see them do it again should they meet up in the tournament.

Interesting scenario tonight with Fontbonne going to Maryville. The same two teams could end up playing at the same place, same time 2 days later. Could make for some odd strategy.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 20, 2007, 01:49:00 pm
bearsfan, I am not comparing this years Wash U team to the national championship teams of the past. I have only been in the area 6 seasons, so I never saw any of those teams. I will grant that Wash U might be a top 25 team, but not a #12 team. Also, they start 3 seniors (Parker, Schell, and Southworth), so there will be another big hole to fill next season. I still predict an early exit for the Bears from the NCAA tournamnet.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 20, 2007, 09:51:08 pm
Eureka leads Prin 29-24 at half. Prin looked out of gas the last 3 or 4 minutes. They didn't shoot that well either. EC will need to keep pushing the ball and hope Prin keeps missing from the outside to pull this thing out.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 20, 2007, 10:04:15 pm
Good luck to eureka.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 20, 2007, 11:17:02 pm
Eureka hangs on 62-54 to defeat Principia. Probably Eureka's best game of the season. EC was helped by an off night by Prin shooting 2-17 on 3-pointers. It was nice to see Eureka improve over the season and go out on a good note, even if they missed out on the tourney. EC had 4 players score 10+ after struggling to put even 3 in double figures for most of the season.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 20, 2007, 11:37:30 pm
Since Eureka beat Prin, Prin is now 13-5. I'm assuming that Maryville beat Fontbonne and Greenville beat Westminster. If so, that puts Fontbonne and Greenville at 13-5 also. Check the SLIAC website tomorrow for the pairings as I have no idea how the tie breakers will determine #s 2, 3, and 4.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 20, 2007, 11:38:52 pm
Maryville over Fontbonne 82-63. From what I understand Fontbonne is in 4th.

So, rematch between Fontbonne and Maryville Thursday.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 20, 2007, 11:41:36 pm
I think that's right, jdoug. Based on my knowledge of the tie-breakers, Prin will be #2, Greenville #3 and Fontbonne #4. Prin wins the tie-breaker based on a 3-1 record vs. the other 2 teams. GC was 2-2 and Font. was 1-3.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 20, 2007, 11:42:39 pm
By the way, the Prin vs. Greenville game will be at 6:00 Thursday and the Maryville/Fontbonne game will be next at 8 pm.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 22, 2007, 06:48:06 pm
I told my niece to come out shooting. What the heck, could be the last game of the year. Come on FONTBONNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 22, 2007, 10:56:34 pm
According to the SLIAC website Principia defeats Greenville 63-57.

No info yet on the 2nd game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 22, 2007, 11:26:15 pm
Maryville over Fontbonne 77-61.  Fontbonne's season is over. That sucks.

Guess the next time I see my niece play ball is when she comes home for the summer and we start getting her in shape for next year. 8) Need to get her shooting % up and work on lowering the t.o.s. It was great getting to watch her play games this year at the collegiate level. Good thing she still has 2 years left. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 23, 2007, 12:06:02 am
FU women played right with MU till about 6 mins. to go in first half. Then MU stretched the lead to 21 at intermission. FU never quit and got the game back to 9 with the ball late in the second half. MU had the most talent and way to many to's. Lauren had 2-3 3's but needs to improve some on ball handling. Sorry to see Katie Evers play her last game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 23, 2007, 12:10:46 pm
fc, couldn't agree more about Kate Evers. I've enjoyed watching he play for four years. She really impressed me as a freshemn with her energy and intensity, which she never lost.

Just a note that could also appear on the men's side: of the 10 SLIAC schools, seven have a team represented in the post season tournaments. Blackburn, Lincoln Christian, and Westminster are the ones not in, and Fontbonne is the only one with both men's and women's teams represented. Congrats to the Griffins on two solid programs.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 25, 2007, 09:09:42 pm
Just wanted to say congrats to Maryville. Hope they do well in the tourney.



And big congrats to the Fontbonne guys.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 26, 2007, 11:31:34 pm
Doug - Thanks for the men's props. I think the year as a whole has gone much smoother for Lauren. Saw her at both the men's semis and finals. She had a smile on and seems to be settling in very well.

For those students reading this site from FU. Look and listen for how FU is working the free admissions to the Men's Regional at Wash U. It looks like the student section may swell to 200-250 Friday night at WU.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 28, 2007, 08:06:34 pm
Greenville game is starting on GC radio. Oh yeah. GC is hosting in the NCCAA tourney tonite against Trinity International.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 28, 2007, 09:57:36 pm
GC plays good second half with clutch free throw shooting. On to the NCCAA II National Championship tournament in Iowa.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 03, 2007, 12:37:37 am
Congratualtions to Maryville on a great season. The score of the game against Lake Forest was being announced frequently during the Wash U - Fontbonne game. The SLIAC faithful kept hoping to hear Maryville's name first, to indicate they'd taken the lead. Sadly, it was not to be. I said several times on this site that I didn't think Maryville would advance in the tournament. But I am not about to say "I told you so."  They took a strong Lake Forest team to the wire, and I wish they had made me eat my words.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on March 11, 2007, 03:23:56 am
Wow! Another win by Wash U. tonight moves them into the Final 4. They are really making y_jak eat his words now.  Great. Now we're never going to get him to make another prediction ever again  ;D.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 12, 2007, 07:41:11 pm
I hope Wash U makes me eat my words all the way to the championship. It's amazing what good coaching and a team without stars can achieve. Wash U's women's team (and men's too) play a total team game. The women have improved steadily over the season and deserve everything they've achieved, which I am certain they have worked very hard for.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 14, 2007, 03:49:38 pm
Congratulations to Nicole Fisher of Eureka on being named 2nd team All-Central Region by d3hoops.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on March 16, 2007, 01:41:55 am
Yes, thank you, y_jak. Of course I thought Nicole was very deserving of this honor, but you never no how the voting will go. She is a great player, teammate and person. Funny story...the Monday after the season ended she started on the offseason workouts for next season.

I ended up voting for 4 first teamers and 2 second teamers (I couldn't vote for Nicole). Not bad, I guess.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on March 17, 2007, 01:41:47 am
Whoops! Looks like I mispoke. I actually voted for Laura Oetjen on Maryville, who unfortunately did not make the all-region team. So I guess I was 5-for-6 on my picks. It would have been interesting to see how many points Oetjen would have scored had she played on a team like Eureka, given she would have played way more minutes and taken more shots. Maryville's style of play has proven very efective on a team level, but it deflates individual player's stats, which hurts them in postseason voting awards like all-region. Had more of the voters been able to see Oetjen in person, I'm sure she would have gained more votes.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 17, 2007, 01:14:20 pm
Having Maryville's depth does cut down on individual stats, but makes for a more total team kind of play and helps win games. A good trade off, I'd say. I think Wash U this year is another example of total team play. They have no star like Kelly Manning, but have accomplished more in this year's tournament than they did during Manning's four years. Another case is my alma mater, Randolph-Macon. Granted they only made it to the Sweet Sixteen this year, versus Elite Eight in 2006 and championship game in 2005. However, after graduating the D3 player of the year, they were written off as a mid-level team in the ODAC at the beginning of the season. Instead they went 18-2 in the conference and won the conference tournament as well. Good coaching, hard work and a total team concept is often a successful formula.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on April 15, 2007, 09:43:03 pm
Just thought I'd post something so the SLIAC could get back to the top of the list in the Central Region. I did hear that Webster has a freshman point guard coming next season who sees the floor well and averaged 10 assists per game. Not sure if that's last season, or all varsity seasons in high school, or what. Doesn't matter. That's a lot of assists. Half that would be quite satisfactory on just about any team. Only two SLIAC players averaged more than 5 asssits per game last season and the third highest was just under 4 per game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on April 30, 2007, 07:28:13 pm
Anybody out there? jdoug, has Lauren said anything about new players coming to Fontbonne? In addition to the one recruit mentioned in my previous post, I heard that Webster has a couple more recruits who will make the team more competitive next season.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on July 16, 2007, 11:11:53 pm
From the men's SLIAC board:
New Blackburn Women's Coach
News from Blackburn; We now have a new women's coach...Mike Williams...a former top assistant at D1 Chicago State, he also was an assistant at North Central College and Trinity International University.  Good Luck to Coach Williams....also the AD opening is coming down to the end with 2 candidates coming in at the end of the week, with one being named next week...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on July 25, 2007, 01:22:11 am
Abby Hearn will be the new women's basketball coach at Eureka this coming season. You can read more about her with the link on the top of the d3hoops main page (thanks Pat) or from the EC athletics web site.

The Red Devils should have a pretty good team this year with Nicole Fisher, Brittany Gardner and Brandi Payne set to return. I think Coach Hearn will get off to a great start in her head coaching career.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 25, 2007, 09:59:42 am
No problem -- thanks for sending it. :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on July 28, 2007, 11:58:03 am
Nice to see a little activity on the women's side. Thanks to Wydown Blvd. for moving the women's info from the men's side and jump stating a little conversation here.

After starting over from square one last season I hear that Webster, which seldom had more than 8 players on the roster last season, will have a roster in the mid teens this season. This will clearly bring more depth and make it possible for some players who logged average minutes well into the 30s last season to get more rest. It could also mean a higher overall talent level.

With a terrific second year head coach Webster could be a surprise team this season.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: right_guard on July 29, 2007, 12:48:09 am
It will be interesting to see what the new Blackburn College  coach will do for next season.  Being hired so late in the summer makes it difficult to get any late recruits for the new year.  I also hadnt heard any word on incoming freshman women players that the previous coach had managed to commit.  It may be another long year for the team
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on July 29, 2007, 06:17:05 pm
If Blackburn's new coach can establish good rapport with the players and get them to have fun, that will be a big step forward. Blackburn has a great player in Meghan Polston, and who knows what the rest of the players can do under good leadership.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on July 31, 2007, 03:34:38 am
I agree, y_jack. It was a rare down season for Webster last season, but there were extenuating circumstances obviously leading up to the season. It would not be surprising to see the Gorloks near the top of the standings this year. I think Coach Callihan will rebuild that team quickly.

Principia's roster could be depleted due to graduation, so we'll have wait to see for them. Greenville should be pretty good, but Maryville and Fontbonne will be the favorites to decide the championship again this season.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on August 01, 2007, 10:56:59 am
I'm hearing a huge rumor that would shake up FU, one of the teams at the top of the conference. More to come in the next week or so, when I get it verified. But, does jdoug or FUnews or y_jack_lok know what I am referring to.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on August 01, 2007, 02:28:06 pm
Wydown, I do not know what you are referring to. However, I am not "in the loop". FCnews probably knows. If it's just a rumor and nothing actually happens, many of us may never know. But if something does occur we will all eventually know what happened, even if we don't get full details.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on August 05, 2007, 10:50:27 am
The only news I've heard is that Liz Sharpe-Taylor will not be playing this coming season. With Michelle Reale returning to the post this year, after coming off successful knee surgery, this will be a positive trade off.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on August 05, 2007, 05:39:32 pm
fc, thanks for that info. Nothing particularly earth shattering about it, though, and Wydown implied something much more significant could be happening.

Fontbonne would be deeper with both players, but that's the way things go.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on August 05, 2007, 10:25:51 pm
Nope FC has got it, but I didnt want to put out that Sharpe-Taylor not playing if it wasnt true.

btw. I don't know if without Sharpe, FU can beat Maryville.

sorry if its not too significant  :-\...I thought it was old news, but I figured there would have been noise on the board if people had heard about it.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on August 06, 2007, 01:19:41 am
Considering she was in the top 10 in scoring and rebounding last season, this seems like a big loss to me. I'm surprised to see people brushing this off.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on August 06, 2007, 11:18:38 am
I was not brushing off the loss of Liz. I just think the return of Reale is a bigger plus then Sharpes loss. For Liz's size she was not a post presence like FU needed. Reale will give the Griffin's that much needed inside threat.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on August 08, 2007, 12:10:00 am
However, Liz was such a mismatch. You give up a lot of her versatility with a true post player. I think it was also a coaching move to not have Liz with her back to the basket, I have seen her pull some post moves. I was thinking Fontbonne had a great shot at winning a conference championship with both Reale and Sharpe; the possibility decreases without her.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on August 28, 2007, 07:40:09 pm
I've heard through the grapevine that Webster will have a roster of around 17 players this year. That basically doubles last year's roster in size.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on August 29, 2007, 08:36:16 am
I've heard through the grapevine that Webster will have a roster of around 17 players this year. That basically doubles last year's roster in size.

Impressive, but I'm not surprised at all by that. The Gorloks could be a handful this year.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on August 29, 2007, 12:54:10 pm
eureka_sid, I hope you didn't think that was meant to be a boastful statement. Just reporting information I heard. I'm not surprised by it either. And I expect those who played last year may have a lot of competition for playing time this year. That will be good for those who had to be on the floor well in excess of 30 minutes every game. For others it may mean very limited minutes.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on August 30, 2007, 03:37:11 am
No, I understand you're not the boastful type, YJak. Thanks for the knowledge. I think we're on the same page when it comes to the Webster program at the moment.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on September 28, 2007, 04:51:31 pm
Sorry it's been so long guys. Work change and other stuff have precluded me from staying on top of things. I don't have any inside info from Lauren concerning new recruits. I had heard about the Liz stuff long time ago. I'll actually be seeing my niece tomorrow so maybe she'll give me some big scoop.

Is there a schedule out yet for Fontbonne? It's not on their website.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on September 28, 2007, 10:00:18 pm
Fontbonne has its men's schedule up but not the women's. If Lauren has access to the women's scheule get it from her and share it as I keep a composite schedule of all four d3 St. Louis schools' schedules
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on October 01, 2007, 05:29:12 pm
My niece's team-mate(and roommate) does have the schedule but they can't find the time to fax, mail, or scan and email to us down here in Texas. That is evidently way too much effort.  :)Good thing I like both of them. We need to find out somewhat soon to start buying plane tickets. But that's our issue.

Lauren did tell me they have a couple of good junior transfers. One is a post, but the other according to my  niece has some skills. I'm concerned about their point guard play. I think that's where the season will turn.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on October 08, 2007, 12:22:44 pm
Went out to hit some shag balls at Aberdeen Golf course near Eureka this weekend, and was welcomed by the St Louis Intercollegiant Ladies Golf Classic   -   Ladies from Fonbonne, Maryville, Wash U, McKendree, Lindenwood and others were competing  -  Anyway, saw my favorite Maryville Hoops player- Laura Oetjen - tee it up.  Nice swing!!!!   FC - Fontbonne needs to recruit some golfers - they were hurtin'!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on October 09, 2007, 05:53:01 pm
Sounds like a  good day on the course hopefan. Have no clue about the Fontbonne golfers. About to be too cold up there soon to golf anyway. Right?

Jack I now have the girls schedule. Let me know how I can send it to you.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on October 09, 2007, 06:01:08 pm
Fontbonne now has the schedule on their website. Seems like their season is starting later than in the past. Or maybe I'm just needing a basketball fix.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 09, 2007, 11:18:45 pm
Thanks jdoug. I've printed out the schedule. That allows me to complete my composite schedule.

With regard to the guard situation at Fontbonne, I don't suppose Amber Karnes would be an option for point guard?? I ecxpect she could handle the position well, but she is a good scorer and plays well underneath, too, so they could lose something putting her at the point.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 10, 2007, 11:07:05 am
There seems to be a problem with the SLIAC women's schedules for Wednesday December 5th.

On that date:
1) Webster's schedule shows them playing Fontbonne at Fontbonne;
2) Fontbonne's schedule shows them playing Maryville at Maryville;
3) Maryville's schedule shows them playing Westminster at Westminster.
4) Westminster doesn't have a schedule posted.

The above sounds like a Keystone Cops routine where one school will show up at another's gym only to find that they've gone somewhere else to play. If anyone in the know is reading this, some clarification would be appreciated. The SLIAC women's composite schedule is not on the SLIAC site yet.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on October 10, 2007, 06:27:44 pm
Not sure about the schedule glitch. I'm sure it will get handled.

As for the pg position at Fontbonne, I'm not so sure about Amber playing the point. I think she is more valuable on the wing and scoring. Lauren said they do have a freshman point, but she's a freshman. I know Liz will be playing some, but you need more depth. It might end up being a shared duty, which is fine until some team pressures you off the court. Oh well, I'm sure coach will work it out.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: haterinthehouse on October 10, 2007, 08:07:23 pm
I saw that Mac has a new head coach as well.  I hope he spends the better part of this entire year recruiting.  I understand that he doesnt have much to work with. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: FU_SID on October 12, 2007, 04:27:23 pm
Regarding the schedules, Fontbonne had an inaccurate version of their schedule on their website. The problem has been fixed, the accurate version has now been posted. Sorry to add to any confusion.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 12, 2007, 11:35:19 pm
Thanks FU_SID. I have printed out the correct version.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on October 16, 2007, 10:17:27 pm
I'm just ready for the season to begin. My own ragged play on weekends is not cutting it. I need to figure out when I can start flying back up there and checking out some games.

Any thoughts on which teams will be the spoilers for Maryville? Surely someone can give them a run this year.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 17, 2007, 10:19:16 am
Hard to know who might be good enough to beat Maryville. I don't know who Maryville lost and who they have to replace them. I know they had lots of players last year so their talent level may not have declined much at all, especially if they didn't graduate too many key players.

I know Principia has one excellent player back but graduated two of  their best, including one who was first team all-conference and I believe Player of the Year. I can't verify that because the new commissioner is making changes to the conference website and that information is not available at this time.

Webster has five freshmen to go with eight players returning from last year -- thirteen in all showing on the roster. Some of the freshmen will have to contribute immediately and make them a better team for Webster to improve upon its record of last year.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on October 17, 2007, 09:57:51 pm
I know Fontbonne has tons of players as well. Is that a D-III thing? Have 40 kids on the bench. I'd rather have a 8-9 rotation and go with that. Easier to get a flow and some continuity. I know everyone wants some pt, but sometimes you just need to play the best. Or is this too harsh a view for D-III ball?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 17, 2007, 10:11:06 pm
Certainly there's a point where the number of players gets to be too many to handle. I'm not a coach, so I don't know where that line is, but I'd guess it falls somewhere between 15-20 actually suited up for a game. A team can have more than that on the roster, with about 10-12 playing a jv schedule, and probably be o.k. Forty is definitely over the top.

Of course if you have big numbers at the start of the season, a few will likely decide not to stick with it. Others may last the season, then not return to the team, maybe even to the school, the next year.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on October 17, 2007, 10:24:45 pm
I know 40 was exaggerating a bit. Fontbonne is showing 22 on their roster. And I realize 7 are freshman. Probably a good thing I'm not a coach.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 31, 2007, 09:13:59 pm
Just took a look at Maryville's '07-'08 roster. Casey Schultz, last year's starting point guard, is not listed. Also, only two freshmen on the roster.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 02, 2007, 04:49:35 pm
I guess they have enough returning players that they do not need the new blood.

My niece is not giving me much info on practice. She said it is going good. That's about it. I'm hoping some of their new blood will infuse some talent and make them more competitive with Maryville. And there's only a couple of weeks until their first game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 02, 2007, 07:27:47 pm
There are a total of 18 players on the Maryville roster. Three are seniors. That means if all the others come back next season there will be 15, plus any freshmen and transfers. I'd say that's a pretty solid way to be entering a season.

Fontbonne has 22 players listed on their roster including five seniors and seven freshmen. I'd say they, too, are set for numbers for the next few years.

Now it's just a matter of having the talent to get to the top of the conference.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 05, 2007, 05:11:35 pm
I know it's early, but Lauren is liking the new point. Said she is super quick.

And I'll be making my maiden voyage up north for Fontbonne's annual trip to Decatur,Il. That way I can see two games.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 06, 2007, 09:43:42 pm
jdoug. When you are in Decatur keep your eyes on Millikin's #44, Lindsay Ippel. She was first team All-American last year as a junior. Also, in 2005 (when she was a freshman) she was a big reason why Millikin beat my alma mater, Randolph-Macon, in the national championship game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 07, 2007, 09:56:24 am
jdoug - Got a chance to visit with Lauren yesterday. The new pt. is very athletic but small and a true freshmen. They have a juco transfer who will help inside. Reale is coming along well, trying to get used to playing with a brace. I think they will be competitive. At this time I don't see them challenging MU.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 08, 2007, 08:38:20 pm
Jack, I think we saw Ippel 2 years ago in the same tourney. I know Millikin is tough. Most of Fontbonne's schedule is pretty rugged. Hopefully it will help the girls for conference play.

Lauren has mentioned the juco transfer. And I think Michelle will be a good addition after missing last year. I'm sure they can be competitive with most of the conference. I'm hoping for a little more. Need to  make Maryville sweat a little.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 09, 2007, 06:23:27 pm
From what I hear the pg from last yr at Maryville has the possibility of coming back next semester. I guess if their coach is really good, he/she can keep the streak alive even without tons of returning players.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: bballfan32 on November 12, 2007, 08:20:47 am
Hey JDoug2. I actually just wanted to let you know that Kasey Schultz was actually the starting two guard from last year. Courtney Bergheger is starting point guard. And just wanted to put it out there that Maryville actually beat UMSL on Saturday. It was a really exciting game to watch.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 12, 2007, 05:06:36 pm
Thanks bballfan. I didn't even know Maryville had a game already. It's getting that time. Can't wait to get up there in a few weeks.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 13, 2007, 07:18:29 pm
SLIAC Pre Season Coaches Poll is now up on sliac.org.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 13, 2007, 08:54:58 pm
Hey, Fontbonne got one first place vote. I guess the Maryville coach doesn't believe in voting themselves number 1. I think that's coach etiquette.  :)

Looks like you can listen to the Fontbonne vs Wisc. Lutheran game on their website.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 13, 2007, 09:41:01 pm
Jdoug - It is conference policy for each school to rank the other nine schools from 1-9. So it's pretty much a sure thing who MU voted for.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 14, 2007, 05:57:48 pm
I see. Thanks fcnews. I guess I'll see you later in the season.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 15, 2007, 10:45:48 am
Just so you Fontbonne followers know, WLC's team lost only one senior to graduation and 2 other players from off the bench. Four starters return, with 3 new players (1 freshman and 2 sophomores.) Should be an interesting matchup.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 15, 2007, 08:09:26 pm
The first game of the year is always interesting. Seems like there is hardly ever a middle ground. Either the team comes out blazing, or is pretty ineffective. Here's hoping Fontbonne comes out guns a blazing.

Good to hear from you WLC. Appreciate the inside information.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 15, 2007, 08:10:58 pm
Good luck to all the SLIAC. I'll be pulling for all of you until conference play begins.


GO FONTBONNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 16, 2007, 07:07:25 pm
My computer is not letting me hear the Fontbonne game. I'm pissed.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 16, 2007, 07:37:49 pm
And why isn't the "scoreboard" on this site updated? It still lists 2006/2007 season.

Can you tell I'm frustrated.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 16, 2007, 07:40:29 pm
I have the game now.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 16, 2007, 07:52:25 pm
Sounds like Fontbonne was hanging close until late in the first a 15-0 run. Halftime score Wisc Lutheran up 41-27. Let's hope the second half gets better.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 16, 2007, 08:50:50 pm
Fontbonne loses the opener 81-65. Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too many turnovers.

My thanks to the Wisc announcers for not being too big of homers.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: FU_SID on November 16, 2007, 09:53:32 pm
6 assists ; 27 turnovers according to the box score
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 17, 2007, 11:30:48 am
Wow, there's a little stat that can be worked on. Good thing it's early. I guess it would be horrible if you played your best ball first game of the year. Another game this afternoon.

Let's go Fontbonne.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 17, 2007, 07:24:33 pm
Fontbonne loses to St Benedict 90-52.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 18, 2007, 11:15:25 am
Fontbonne followers:  This WLC poster attended the opener in person and your team worked a 25-pt deficit down to single digits late in the 2nd half. Had the Warrior women not hit their 3's late, it could very well have been a different ball game.

As far as St Benedict, there were 2 reasons that squad lost to Wartburg previous to playing you guys. 1) The Knights were hitting most of their 3-point shots and 2) St. Benedict had a frustrating day shooting that game.

(I thought St. Benedict just on height advantage alone would win both of their games--that's just why they don't play games on paper.)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 18, 2007, 05:45:33 pm
It did sound like Fontbonne played tough against Wisc Luth in the second half. Since I didn't get to hear the St Bene game, looks like they just got blown out.

Is the SLIAC just not that great of a b-ball conference? Fontbonne is supposed to be one of the conferences better teams and it doesn't seem like they are on the same level when they go out of conference. And I know Maryville lost to another of the Wisc schools.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 20, 2007, 09:44:19 am
jdoug - The SLIAC has been competitive on a bigger stage. It started with FC's run to the sweet sixteen. The Webster mad a very nice run. Now it is the Saints domination. The SLIAC has always been very top heavy. In most cases the Top team is way above the rest of the conference.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 20, 2007, 06:18:43 pm
Thanks fcnews. I know I'm new to the SLIAC, it just seems weird how Maryville is so dominant.

Everyone have a great Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on November 21, 2007, 12:27:30 pm
Congrats to Eureka's Nicole Fisher for reaching 1,000 points scored last night. Anyone that has seen her play knows that she is a joy to watch. I'm especially glad I'm not the one that has to try to defense her in the post...I know that would be a one-sided match up to say the least.

It's been a rough start for EC so far against some highly rated opponents. I was impressed with the effort shown most of the time last night in the loss to IWU. If they keep playing that hard and stay healthy, the results will begin to show on the scoreboard.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 21, 2007, 10:13:17 pm
I recall seeing Nicole Fisher play in the game at Webster last year. She is terrific. Congrats to her on reaching 1,000 career points.

Just a note from the box score of Webster's 70-64 win over Clarkson on Saturday. Webster's Jackie Wamser scored 23 points in only 12 minutes of playing time. Seems improbable, but it must be right.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 26, 2007, 01:29:32 am
And why isn't the "scoreboard" on this site updated? It still lists 2006/2007 season.

Can you tell I'm frustrated.

Apparently. We had links for the weekend games posted on the front page of the site -- you must've glossed over them.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 26, 2007, 04:40:20 pm
Pat, no doubt I could have missed the links to the scores. Patience is not a virtue I typically possess.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 04, 2007, 10:00:32 pm
Illinois Wesleyan over Fontbonne 98-72.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 04, 2007, 11:30:42 pm
Both teams were insane from behind the arc, IWU just shot quite a few more 3s. IWU was 18-37 and Fonbonne was 9-14. Fontbonne hung close in the first half and then it looks like the second half fell apart for the Griffins.

Opening conference game tomorrow vs Webster.

Let the real season begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 05, 2007, 09:28:55 am
jdoug, I'll try to give you a run down of the Fontbonne-Webster game tonight. It won't be until after the men have completed their 8 pm game -- and I still have to get home. So you might not see a post until 10:30 or so.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on December 05, 2007, 09:36:00 am
jdoug - We're still checking, but it is beleived that the combined 27 3's is a women's NCAA record.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 05, 2007, 07:26:40 pm
Jack, I would greatly appreciate your insight on tonight's game. Have to make sure my niece is pulling her weight.  :)

And the Texas contingent will be there for this weekend's games. Hope y'all can keep the temperature in a decent range for us.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 05, 2007, 11:34:43 pm
Observations on Fontbonne's 67-61 win over Webster.

First, I didn't see anything that would suggest either team can compete with Maryville, unless Maryville is not nearly as good as last year. Since I haven't seen Maryville play I don't know. But their 20 point win over Westminster tonight suggests they can't have lost much, if any, ground.

Tonight's game was pretty sloppy by both teams. If Webster hadn't fouled so much they might have had a shot at winning. No complaints about the officiating. I agreed with at least 90% of the fouls called against Webster. It was a pretty low scoring affair in the early going. Webster was having trouble with Fontbonne's zone defense. They kept the game close, though. Then Fontbonne went man-to-man, the pace of the game picked up, and so did their lead, which was 10 points at halftime. It would have been 13 but Webster hit a buzzer beating 3-pointer as time expired.

Webster's tight man-to-man defense seemed to give Fontbonne trouble at times and they picked up the defensive intensity in the second half trying to get steals or turnovers with traps. It worked at times, but it also resulted in some easy buckets for Fontbonne. Fontbonne reverted to its zone for most of the second half.

Fontbonne has the better team. Their #22, a senior whose name I forget, had a great game. Lauren, unfortunately didn't contribute a lot. I don't know how many minutes she played, but I can only remember one basket, a nice little penetration jumper in the lane from about 10 feet out. She took other shots, but as far as I can recall none of them went in. I haven't looked for a box score, so I can't be sure.

Hope your travels are safe this weekend, jdoug. I believe the weather forecast is favorable and you shouldn't have any trouble on this end.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on December 06, 2007, 11:34:40 am
Good observations by Yjak:
#22 was Heather McCallister who had 12 pts. and 9 boards. My bright spot of the night was the return of the true Michelle Reale (#15) 17 pts. and 13 boards. Lauren was not on from the field (1-7 0-3) in 24 mins., but she led the team with 6 (I beleive) assists. Lauren got some good looks but the shots are just not falling for her. I'm sure seeing the family in the stands will help bunches.

Safe travels to you all. I guess the Vazzi's will be at this weekends games too.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 06, 2007, 05:19:18 pm
Jack, I appreciate your views on the game. I'm still hoping Fontbonne will be able to compete with Maryville.

FCNews, thanks for your input as well. Shame her shot wasn't falling, but sometimes they don't. They still have to cut WAY down on the turnovers. Good grief.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 07, 2007, 10:55:42 am
Congratulations to EC's Nicole Fisher for setting EC's single game women's rebounding record. Excellent press release submitted to d3hoops by Eureka_SID.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 07, 2007, 11:30:12 pm
Headed to Illinois in the morning. Will catch Fontbonne vs Illinois College and then vs Millikin. 

Need to get Fontbonne started on nice win streak.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 09, 2007, 01:25:01 am
Tough loss for the Griffins against Illinois College. From looking at the box score it seems like a pretty even game and one that was definitely winnable for Fontbonne.

The Webster-Lincoln Christian game was interesting to watch. Started out very slow for both teams, just like Wednesday's Webster-Fontbonne game. But as Webster ratcheted up the defensive pressure they forced 45 LC turnovers and only allowed them 28 shots from the field. LC only managed 28 points, half on free throws.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on December 09, 2007, 01:41:02 am
y_jak, in your expert opinion, how much improved is Webster this year? Let's say there's a scale of 1 to 10 and Maryville is a 10 and last year's Webster team a 1...where would you put them this year?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on December 09, 2007, 10:21:52 am
I'll venture in on that EC_SID. I spoke with WU's Coach Callahan following the men's game wwednesday nite. I complimented her on the teams progress. Very bright young coaching talent. She's got the numbers up and a couple of shooters and they play hard. On a scale of 1-10 WU is a 4.5-5 this season. A big step in the right direction.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 09, 2007, 12:21:12 pm
I've only seen two games, but in my opinion (not "expert" by any stretch of the imagination) on a scale of 1-10, at this point I wouldn't go any higher than fcnews' 4.5-5. Webster has 13 players compared to about 8 last year. Some of the new faces improve the talent level measurably, from last year. They are in good physical condition so they make an opponent really work hard and can wear out a team less well conditioned as they did yesterday with Lincoln Christian. They play as a team, and appear to be learning the coach's system. They will surely improve over the course of the season. Based on the scores I've seen in conference play after two games I see Maryville, Fontbonne, and Greenville as the top three teams. The fourth spot is up for grabs and I think Webster can contend for it.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on December 09, 2007, 05:06:00 pm
Millikin 77 Fontbonne 62

FU was down 50-27 @ Half
Better performance in second half by Reale and Crain. Collier has a good weekend for a freshmen. She still has alot to learn. FU needs to do a better job at the line. Chamberlin was 0-8 and didn't score.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 09, 2007, 05:37:57 pm
Just curious, fcnews, if you have any feel for why, with an 18 point lead and 2:27 to go, Millikin's coach didn't put in a few more subs. They have 19 on the roster and only 9 got in the game. Even more surprising to me is that All-American Lindsay Ippel played the entire 40 minutes. The next highest for a Millikin player was 28 minutes. The closest Fontbonne got in the 2nd half was the 15 points at the end of the game. Seems like some more subbing would have been possible.

I know Lindsay Ippel is a great player and probably has a shot at being D3 Player of the Year if Millikin has a really good season. I just hope the coach isn't choosing to leave her in games (she's averaging 38.4 minutes a game) just to boost her stats.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on December 09, 2007, 06:30:49 pm
Good observation Y_Jak. A little history between these two and I do think that, other then Ippel, FU was getting alot of space in the paint. Chamberlin was 0-8 and Reale had a good game. She is a better free throw shooter then she is showing.

Up by 23 at half, Millikin allowed FU to open the second half with ( I beleive) a 12-2 run. Millikin staff was not going to take any chances. With that many players on the squad, if you don't get in that game, then when.

Bigger Reason - MU JV. played FU JV. in the opening game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 09, 2007, 07:07:19 pm
fc, thanks for that info. I understand now, with the jv teams having played, why more MU player didn't see some minutes.

Looking at the 2nd half play-by-play FU didn't open with a 12-2 run. That would have reduced Millikin's lead from 23 to 13. But the closest FU got was 17 at the 10:52, and again at the 2:27 mark before the margin was cut to 15 at 0:54, which turned out to be the final score of the game.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on December 09, 2007, 07:13:14 pm
Thanks Y-Jak. I just listen to the audio and it sounded like FU came out playing much better the second half from the get go.

The Lady Griffin's have had a tough non - conference run.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 09, 2007, 09:37:20 pm
Yes, the Griffins scheduled tough teams and still have Wash U to go. Even without Jamie McFarlin, and even after losing badly to McKendree, Wash U will be be tough. Hopefully the Caltech game will be a "W" for the Griffins. We all know that having a tough non-conference schedule helps a team learn what it needs to do better so that it can improve in those areas and compete more effectively in the conference.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on December 10, 2007, 03:06:06 am
Thanks for your responses, y_jak and FC. I noticed Webster's squad size had increased greatly this season and expected them to be improved. I'm trying to get a feel for our team's chances of making the tourney this season...probably an uphill battle like last year.

I get frustrated easily when coaches don't sub with large leads. Maybe not so much at the pro level, but in amateur ball, there's not place for rubbing it in. We have 2 players this year that almost never come out of the game and one (Nicole Fisher) dived for a loose ball about 5 feet in front of me Saturday with a 20+ point lead in the final seconds. I don't fault her at all...this is what makes her such a great player.  And after starting 0-5, you don't want to take any chances, but it would be nice if Nicole was able to play a full season too!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 10, 2007, 10:16:34 am
First, it was great to see Fontbonne in action for the first time this season. The Texas fanbase was dutifully impressed. Fontbonne really could have won the game vs Illinois College. Once again a few key turnovers doomed that opportunity. Callie had a great game with I think 20 points. She is definitely a  shoot first pg. And Michelle Reale had  a very solid game.

Second game against Millikin... Fontbonne showed some heart with a really good second half. Once again Michelle was great down low and Fontbonne(my niece included) hit some big 3's. Calista is a solid ball handler, but she and the team had some wild to's. I know MU pressed 90% of the game, but too many of the to's were unforced. And too many missed ft's. My niece was 1-4. She can do that with her off hand. Oh well. They played tough. Heather also played  a really nice game. She can get after it.

And we were all wondering why a all- american played all 40. I do give MU credit, they don't force the ball into Ippel every possession. But all 40?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on December 11, 2007, 08:24:52 am
Just took a look at Maryville's games and schedule - their lone loss to Whitewater doesn't look too bad - Whitewater is rated no 7 in the country in the new D3hoops poll.  Also note that Maryville plays at Wash U on Saturday afternoon - this is a great opportunity, and possibly Maryville's only opportunity, this season, to play another 'nationally thought of' team. Wash U is down this year, but a win over them by the Saints could get them some votes in the D3hoops poll.  That game could be worth checking out.  Not sure whom the Saints will play in the Christmas tournament out west. 

 Of course Fontbonne also gets to test Wash U tonight.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 11, 2007, 05:42:15 pm
Here's hoping for a big showing from Fontbonne tonight against Wash U. Wish I could be there.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 11, 2007, 08:19:36 pm
Wash U up 45-30 at half over Fontbonne
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 11, 2007, 08:40:55 pm
Wash U drills Fontbonne  88-58.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on December 11, 2007, 08:45:59 pm
FU started out with a 10-2 opening. Then the race is on. FU's bigs played well. Guards have to cut down on the turnovers.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 11, 2007, 11:31:03 pm
Just to be picky I have to correct fcnews. It couldn't have been a 10-2 start for Fontbonne because when I arrived at the 15:40 mark of the first half the score was 8-4 Fontbonne.

Even without Jamie McFarlin, and in spite of the shellacking Wash U took from McKendree the other day, Wash U looked pretty good. Halsey Ward was drilling shots with surgical precision.

Saturday's Maryville-Wash U game should be interesting. Before tonight's game I was thinking Maryville might have a shot at a win. Now I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on December 12, 2007, 02:07:20 am
Thanks Y_Jak. No other observations from someone in attendane.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 12, 2007, 10:27:55 pm
Fontbonne wins over Mac Murray 67-61. Second win of the year for the Griffins and second win in conference. I guess if you are going to win, conference games are the most important. Still not so sure Fontbonne needs to play quite so tough a non-conf schedule, but at least now they can play teams closer to their own level. I know it's good to play teams better than you, but not a constant diet of top 25 teams.

Here's to a successful conference season. Can't wait to get back up there and catch some more games.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 13, 2007, 09:57:37 am
That is the identical score of the Fontbonne-Webster game. This suggests to me either that MacMurray is improved over last year to the same extend Webster is, or that Fontbonne may have been a little tired after their game against Wash U the previous night -- or both.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on December 13, 2007, 01:43:50 pm
If Maryville can be competitive with Wash U on Saturday, it unfortunately suggests that the SLIAC women's hoops race may be very lopsided......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on December 13, 2007, 02:46:24 pm
Competitive? I would think MU must consider this a very winnable game. It will be MU on top, FU a distant second and then some competitive action.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 13, 2007, 04:00:30 pm
Since Maryville and Fontbonne never play on a Saturday, I haven't been able to watch Maryville play. I'm still holding out hope Fontbonne can give them a loss. Or somebody. I think Fontbonne if they could somehow not turn the ball 20+ times, they would have a shot.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on December 13, 2007, 04:20:17 pm
Maryville and Fontbonne do play some Saturdays. MV is at Wash U. this Sat. Then 1/5 at home against Eureka. 1/12 Principia is at Fontbonne. Fontbonne is at Blackburn 1/5, which is not too far to go.  1/19 MacMurray at MV. 1/26 Blackburn at MV.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 13, 2007, 04:36:40 pm
Sorry, I meant played each other. Since I'm coming up from Texas, I only attend games in which my niece plays in.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 13, 2007, 07:45:57 pm
Idle speculation about the outcomes of future games is useless. We'll know Saturday how well Maryville compares to Wash U. Then we can engage in useless idle speculation about whether or not any conference team has a chance to beat Maryville.

I would suggest to fcnews that he not be so quick to dismiss the ability of the rest of the teams in the conference (other t han Maryville) to compete against and possibly beat Fontbonne.
Competitive? I would think MU must consider this a very winnable game. It will be MU on top, FU a distant second and then some competitive action.
Fontbonne's two conference wins are by indentical scores of 67-61 against Webster and MacMurray. Fairly competitive outcomes for two teams who were each 6-19 last year. Fontbonne beat MacMurray last year by 34 points and 43 points and Webster by 23 points and 10 points.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on December 13, 2007, 08:23:46 pm
by definition, is speculation ever not idle, or does it ever have a use?? ::) Therefore, is it not redundant to refer to idle and uselss speculation???? ;D ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 13, 2007, 10:12:34 pm
If speculation is, by that definition, both useless and idle, then it is double redundant. But hey, this is a posting site where all the rules go out the window.

Manana dude. (Sorry, no accent mark available to put over the first "n")
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: mac_grad on December 14, 2007, 11:01:24 am
Hey all, I'm fairly new to the boards and this is my frst time posting on a basketball board.  I no longer attend MacMurray but I'm still in touch with many people there, including many on the girls' basketball team.

I think that Mac has suprised some people so far this year early on, and rightfully so.  They do have a decent number of returning players and that helps them greatly.  However, the thing that has troubled Mac is their depth, and that is going to make them tired.  Hopefully good condition will help them sustain the long conference schedule.  The reason for the lack of depth is of course the recruiting schedule, but I have heard good things about both new basketball coaches.

As I hear more, I'll be sure to give updates!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 14, 2007, 12:36:39 pm
Thanks for that info, mac_grad. We'll look forward to your future posts so that we can all be better informed about women's hoops at Mac.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 15, 2007, 06:26:08 pm
Wash U beats maryville by 29 points this afternoon. That's one point less than their win over Fontbonne. The difference is that Fontbonne was playing at home, Maryville was playing at Wash U. If the game had been at Maryville it might have been closer -- or maybe not.

I'd still say that Maryville looks to be a better team than Fontbonne, but perhaps not by as much as I was thinking before I'd seen both teams play. All this will get settled on the court.

jdoug, DeDe Alexander is not playing for Wash U this year. Is she still going to school there?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 16, 2007, 10:40:02 pm
From what I hear DeDe is hurt. It's a shame she hasn't had the chance to really play for Wash U.

As for all the idle speculation... what is else is a message board for?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 21, 2007, 05:01:04 pm
I want to wish safe travel and great games to all the teams that are playing games over the holidays.

And to all the posters:  MERRY CHRISTMAS.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 21, 2007, 06:58:03 pm
I will be sorry to miss the Webster women's game against Missouri Baptist on 12/29. I will be at a Randolph-Macon (may alma mater) men's game that day.

Best wishes to all during this season of joy. And good luck to all SLIAC teams playing games the next 10 days.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on December 29, 2007, 07:02:00 pm
Webster beat Missouri Baptist today, 67-64, after trailing most of the game by up to 7 points. Webster came on strong in the last 5 minutes and won on a 3-pointer by Danielle Martin with 3 seconds left. Katy Meyer came up big with 20 points and a bunch of rebounds.   ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on December 31, 2007, 11:48:27 pm
Another final 3-second win for Webster tonight, another double-double for Katy Meyer. Webster 61-60 over Culver Stockton - winning basket again by Danielle Martin
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 04, 2008, 09:11:31 am
Webster was no match for Wash U last night. Final Wash U 73 - Webster 33.  More height, better shooters, generally better all around athletes for Wash U. Once the outcome was clear both coaches gave their reserve players ample minutes.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 04, 2008, 06:13:55 pm
I guess we've established that Wash U owns the SLIAC. 

Glad conference games are starting again tomorrow.

I'll be up there next Saturday to watch Fontbonne play Principia.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 04, 2008, 08:53:06 pm
Yes, Wash U pretty much owns the SLIAC. Maryville beat them in January of '06. Webster beat them in December of '04, and Fontbonne beat them in January of '01, ending their very long (78 games I think) winning streak. That's all the SLIAC victories over Wash U that I know about.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 05, 2008, 06:09:28 pm
Fontbonne loses to Blackburn 75-73.  Really bad loss if you are wanting to do something in the conference this year.

Hope the Griffins get it together soon.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 05, 2008, 06:31:04 pm
Does Fontbonne's loss to Blackburn mean we have to re-think who will take the 2,3, and 4 spots in the conference race?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 05, 2008, 06:50:26 pm
I'm not giving up on Fontbonne just yet. Of course, I'm a fan. Short for fanatic.

Sounds like Fontbonne has a disfunctional team. And that is never good.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 05, 2008, 11:04:50 pm
FU's guards did a poor job handling BC's press. A ton of turnovers. Blackburn's new coach has them playing very hard. He brought one player with him and she is a hell of a player. Six foot athlete that handles the ball extremely well and was pretty much unstoppable in the paint.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 06, 2008, 02:03:00 am
I was really down after EC lost to Blackburn in December. All of a sudden, that loss doesn't look so bad now. I think we know what to expect from MU and Greenville. Beyond those 2, good luck.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2008, 01:46:42 pm
The men's race has their questions... seems even moreso in the women's race....  but that's what makes it fun for us fans...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 08, 2008, 06:05:17 pm
I forecast Fontbonne righting the ship against Eureka tomorrow night. Need to get focused and get some momentum for the SLIAC games.

And I'll be there for this Saturday's game vs Principia.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 08, 2008, 11:12:09 pm
Safe travels jdoug. This could turn out to be an interesting year in SLIAC women's hoops. Other than Maryville, the other 8 teams may be more evenly matched than I previously tought. One bad game, such as Webster had against Principia on Saturday, shooting 26% from the field -- taking 14 more shots than Principia but making 3 less -- could be more costly than usual.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 09, 2008, 10:23:04 am
Jdoug - If you want to send me your cell number through the private messaging on this site, I will include you in my text updates during tonites game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2008, 12:26:03 pm
while most seem to assume that the conference is Maryville and then everyone else, I see that Greenville is the lone other undefeated team in conference  -   they play tonight, so I'm planning on seeing most of that game before the men's game - will text those results too...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 09, 2008, 09:20:35 pm
Fontbonne defeats Eureka 68-52.

Webster wins 73-58 over Blackburn. 

Haven't seen other results yet.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 09, 2008, 11:21:49 pm
Webster started out scoring the first 16 points of the game against Blackburn. Blackburn was very disorganized and were confused by Webster's press and the intensity and energy with which Webster played at the outset. Blackburn finally settled down and played even the rest of the way, but even wasn't good enough after that start. Blackburn's press, sometimes full court, sometimse 3/4 court, sometimes half-court caused a few problems for Webster, but overall didn't make a huge difference. Blackburn has three pretty athletic players -- Meghan Polston, Lovie McClom and Sierra Shipley. They will get better and will be a team to be reckoned with.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 13, 2008, 12:20:08 pm
I wasn't aware, until this morning's Post-Dispatch, that Webster is 6-0 at home this season.

I was impressed with MacMurray's Abby Lowe in yesterday's Webster-Mac game. An extremely hard working player.

For the second game in a row Webster's coach did something that caused anxiety in some of us fans waching the game. She put in some of her deep bench subs with more time remaining than seems advisable with not quite big enough leads. It didn't backfire agaisnt Blackburn on Wednesday, but it was on the verge of backfiring yesterday until she put most of her staters back in to secure the win.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 13, 2008, 05:36:03 pm
It might be of interest, FU finally step out of their slump with a 82-36 win over Prin. I think 12 different players scored, led by lauren Crain's 15 pts.

Jdoug - Maybe the family should make it to all the games. ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 13, 2008, 07:09:01 pm
It was great to get up there to watch Fontbonne get a win. And even better to see Lauren have a solid game. Trust me, if we could get to more games we would.

It was good to see Fontbonne get to play so many players. I think coach emptied the bench fairly early in the second half.

I'm hoping there is some carryover to the game against Maryville. I know the Griffins will all have to have their "A" game to compete and win.

And thanks for arranging the nice weather this weekend. Almost felt like home.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 13, 2008, 10:25:09 pm
Glad the Texas contingent made it home safely!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 14, 2008, 01:40:24 pm
One interesting sidelight regarding the Maryville Fontbonne game - Maryville center Allie Wilhelm did not play Saturday at Lincoln Christian - (I don't know why, injury, illness, other?)  - but rather than replace her with a backup center, they went with Kim Douglas, who is another perimeter player and who currently leads the league in 3 point field goals in league games even though she comes off the bench - till now.  That makes Maryville much shorter and Fontbonne likely more competitive size wise.  -  of course, one more running, shooting threat for Maryville....

Good to see Kim Douglas move up the bench to a role where she is now contributing - she is a very good shooter and offensive player - I spent a lot of time wondering why she wasn't getting time the last two years.  I must say I see now - she's slow footed on defense and not too aggressive going after the ball - but she CAN SHOOT.  Hopefully playing time will teach her a new gear to play in, because she is fun to watch with the ball.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 14, 2008, 06:36:37 pm
Thanks for the insight hopefan. And from everything I hear, another shooter is exactly what Maryville needs. hahaha

I'm guessing Fontbonne would need to play the perfect game to beat Maryville. But anything is possible.

Just wish they coould have these two teams play on a Saturday. Don't they know they could get a larger crowd. Especially from Texas.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 15, 2008, 09:46:57 am
Thanks for the insight hopefan. And from everything I hear, another shooter is exactly what Maryville needs. hahaha

I'm guessing Fontbonne would need to play the perfect game to beat Maryville. But anything is possible.

Just wish they coould have these two teams play on a Saturday. Don't they know they could get a larger crowd. Especially from Texas.

Setting that game up on a Saturday would likely result in both teams having a long Wednesday road trip to another conference school. Generally, the faculty reps frown on this kind of thing because it ends up with more missed classes.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 16, 2008, 06:35:04 pm
Eureka sid, I guess that makes sense, but doesn't make me any happier. What's the difference if they have to take an hour bus ride.


Let's goooooooooooo FONTBONNE tonight.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 16, 2008, 07:54:07 pm
Fontbonne down 36-22 at half to Maryville.  Neither team is shooting well, but Font has 22 to's.  You have to wonder how good they could be if they knew how to keep the turnovers down. Not that I am dismissing the other team creating the turns.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 16, 2008, 09:04:02 pm
Fontbonne is destroyed 86-45. 42 to's. Good grief. Looks like only Heather had a decent game. 

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 17, 2008, 12:25:51 am
Webster didn't fare any better at Greenville, losing 65-38. Something wasn't right with Webster tonight. I didn't expect a win, but I didn't expect such a huge loss, either.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 17, 2008, 08:48:26 am
Maryville had a slow start in the game and Fontbonne stayed with them for the first 10-12 minutes. But while I don't think that Maryville gets much out of their set offense, I will say that they run the floor as welll as any team I've seen in a while - once they got going, it was layup after layup, many off of great lead passes down the floor or passes to trailers cutting through the middle.  I don't usually notice individuals (prior exception Kim Douglas) because the starters have similar games, but Sarah Wemlinger stood out last night with a barrage of to the basket opportunies, most of which she converted.  And Allie Wilhelm had a big night, following up a 21 point effort with a baritto eating contest championship at halftime of the mens game - A NIGHT TO REMEMBER!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 17, 2008, 01:05:50 pm
That begs the question...would you rather score 21 points in a win, or win a burrito eating contest? I guess the good news is she got to do both!  8)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 17, 2008, 02:28:38 pm
Incidently, not sure if this breaks any NCAA rules, but Allie's victory entitles her to free burritos for a year at the local burrito establishment.  Her lucky boyfriend now has a much less expensive date!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 17, 2008, 05:51:21 pm
Hopefan, thanks for your insight. Glad there is finally someone here with some Maryville information.

And good to know the Maryville player was so exhausted after the game all she sould do is win a eating contest.  :D

On a serious note, I still can't fathom the billions of to's Fontbonne has against any reasonably good team.
It would be one thing if Fontbonne pushed to ball all the time and this to's were a result of pressing the issue. And often teams that have a run and gun offense have to's. Price you pay when you play that brand of ball. Fontbonne just seems to have to's trying to run their sets. That is what is so hard for me to understand. If you're always setting up in half court you should value the ball more. 

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 18, 2008, 09:17:45 am
JDoug - agaist Maryville pressure, Fontbonne had a rough time getting into their sets - period.  Consequently, the shot clock ran down, and they either forced passes inside, or forced drives into traffic - both generated many turnovers - too much reliance on the point dribbling vs pressure.... Maryvilles 5 starters + the first three or 4 off the bench were all ATHLETES - not too many of them on Fontbonne's team (and please, this is not condemning the other programs - it's just a little different level) ..... or  on many other SLIAC teams  - it makes for a fun competitve playing field, for the other eight...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 18, 2008, 04:17:16 pm
Hope, I totally understand what you are saying. It does appear obvious Maryville is on another level compared to the rest of the SLIAC. And I know Fontbonne is not very athletic. And to me that is where coaching comes in. It's not like just because you have more athletes you automatically win. I've seen well coached, smart teams beat more athletic teams at all levels. It's just frustrating to watch and hear about. Oh well. Enough of my venting.

Once again, thanks for some views on the game Hope.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 19, 2008, 10:08:34 am
Nice article in today's Post-Dispatch about Maryville's Sara Wemlinger and the Maryville program.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 23, 2008, 06:00:06 pm
So my niece calls me this afternoon with Spring Break questions. I'm hoping her mind is on the game tonight.  :)

 Let's go Fontbonne vs Westminster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 27, 2008, 01:35:05 pm
BIG game at Greenville on Wednesday - a chance for Fontbonne to show the loss to Blackburn was a fluke, a chance for Greenville to gain separation from the rest of the pack for 2nd place....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 27, 2008, 08:39:04 pm
You're right hopefan. I'm hoping Fontbonne steps it up against one of the better teams in the conference.

And I'll be back up there this Saturday for the rematch against Blackburn.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 28, 2008, 09:55:38 am
Blackburn dressed only 8 players for the Maryville game, and one of those dressed did not look, should I say, to be in Basketball playing condition - don't know what went wrong in the first meeting, but after seeing Fontbonne beat Westmin badly, I'd have to think they're capable of the same vs BC.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on January 28, 2008, 01:27:03 pm
It is interesting that the Blackburn women have always have squads of only 8 or 9, yet they often seem to over-achieve. Back in the 2003 – 2004 season, they had that size squad and beat a pretty good Webster team at Webster 67-59. Later that same year they lost to Webster in a close 64-66 game at Blackburn. Amber Daulbaugh was the coach at Blackburn then. Two years later she coached at Webster.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 28, 2008, 05:09:15 pm
Hopefan, it always seems as though Fontbonne has at least one "odd" loss per season. Not that Fontbonne is that much better than any other team in the conference. But there are games you think they should win.

Furbug, I'd personally rather have a team with only 8-9 players. That way you have a more set rotation and the better players get more minutes. Is that wrong of me? :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on January 28, 2008, 05:30:20 pm
I don't think that is wrong of you, jdoug2, providing that they are in excellent condition. As I recall that team to which I referred was in such condition, as the Webster squad was large in number and pressed most of the game. I myself am in favor of the better players playing lots of minutes, but, as I think you infer, some good players on large squads can get discouraged from lack of playing time. There are good players at Maryville, for example, that would get a lot more playing time elsewhere. If I were they, I would rather have the playing time.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 28, 2008, 05:47:21 pm
That is true the players would need to be in good shape. But good grief, they're 18-22 yrs old. They should be in good shape.

I've watched tons of ball and it always seems to work better with a shorter bench. It's really tough getting 12 people playing time. Guess it's the age old question... big fish in a small pond. Or small fish in a big pond. Although, if you were a Maryville player switching teams you might not get all the W's. And that can be tough. I know my niece is still not used to so many L's.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on January 28, 2008, 06:03:30 pm
jdoug2, your niece has only two L's in conference and 8 overall. Even Maryville has 3 L's. I see that in the last game she had 17 minutes. I don't know if that is typical for her or how much she would get at Maryville. I'll bet, however, that if you ask her, she will take substantial playing time in L's than riding the bench in W's. And I agree with you that they should be in shape. Players are rare that enjoy being taken out of a game for even a few minutes. Normally their attitude is, "Who needs a rest?"
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 28, 2008, 06:17:53 pm
First, don't get me wrong into thinking my niece would play for U Conn or Tennessee. And since I have never seen Maryville play I have no clue as to what her role would be. Second, it's the total number of losses and the drubbing they sometimes take. I know high school and AAU is different, but she always played on a top level team that went deep into the playoffs.  And played a lot.

Overall, I think she is fairly happy with her pt. She generally gets to play when it counts. Unless the coach is pissed at her.  ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on January 28, 2008, 07:07:47 pm
jdoug2, the drubbings are usually when the SLIAC teams go outside the conference, and you have probably seen that the posters on this site have mixed feelings about that, how difficult the non-conference schedule should be. Going back to what we were saying before, one problem with the smaller squad is that the women sustain injuries more frequently, especially the ACL tears. Starting off a season with a squad of 8 or 9 is quite risky.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 29, 2008, 07:23:52 am
it helps to have 10 to practice.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on January 29, 2008, 08:50:54 am
it helps to have 10 to practice.....

Good point. Last season with Webster's very thin squad, the coach Jayme Callahan had to practice with the team to make up a body. Fortunately she is young and in good playing condition.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 29, 2008, 10:06:33 am
jdoug2, the drubbings are usually when the SLIAC teams go outside the conference, and you have probably seen that the posters on this site have mixed feelings about that, how difficult the non-conference schedule should be. Going back to what we were saying before, one problem with the smaller squad is that the women sustain injuries more frequently, especially the ACL tears. Starting off a season with a squad of 8 or 9 is quite risky.

Try starting a season with 7 like Eureka did this year. We had 2 later additions, but also lost 2 to injury, so we've been back down to 7 since New Year's. Needless to say, the players have had no choice put to get in great condition. But as Hopefan pointed out, practicing 5 on 5 becomes a challenge.

We're lucky to have the group that we do. They easily could have felt sorry for themselves and packed it in, but they have too much pride and love of the game to consider doing that.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on January 29, 2008, 01:04:37 pm
And, Eureka SID, I'm sure you are proud of them for playing hard like that. They deserve a lot of credit, and the experience is one that they will never forget.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 29, 2008, 05:09:10 pm
Totally agree you need more kids so you can practice. Not to mention should injuries pop up.

Quick aside to the earlier chat... I'd rather play less minutes for a playoff team, than be "the man" on an also-ran.

Good to see some chatter on the SLIAC side of things.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 29, 2008, 07:42:28 pm
Quick aside to the earlier chat... I'd rather play less minutes for a playoff team, than be "the man" on an also-ran.

I totally agree, jdoug. I bowled in a league for a few years about 20 years ago. My team was in a bowl-off for the league championship. I was not "the man" on our team, but I had one of my best nights and we still lost. It was little consolation to have bowled well but leave as a runner-up.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on January 29, 2008, 10:58:23 pm
Very nice recognition for MacMurray College's Abby Lowe as Player of the Week, a spirited and very good player.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 30, 2008, 02:10:01 am
And, Eureka SID, I'm sure you are proud of them for playing hard like that. They deserve a lot of credit, and the experience is one that they will never forget.

Absolutely. It's not a situation they should have to deal with, but they've become stronger individually, and a more cohesive unit as a whole, as a result.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 30, 2008, 05:04:57 pm
I'm still new to this DIII stuff. I don't understand how you can have one school so desperate for players, and then schools like Fontbonne that have 20 or so on the roster. Granted all the kids are not of the same talent level. And I guess the location of the school plays a part? Seems odd.


Here's hoping for a Fontbonne win tonight versus Greenville.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 30, 2008, 08:41:03 pm
Not to slight Principia, but how is it Maryville only won 65-49? I watched Fontbonne kill Principia, yet Principia hangs with Maryville. Does Maryville save up extra juice to run it up on Fontbonne? I guess it makes sense. Destroy those closest to you in the standings. Show them who the boss is.

Just wondering.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 30, 2008, 10:35:39 pm
Fontbonne with a big win over Greenville tonight.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 31, 2008, 09:03:01 am
Now Admittedly I watch the lady's game as an addendum to the men's games,

BUT,

It seems to me Fontbonne is coming on strong - if things continue the way they are, the Fontbonne MU matchup with MUs NCAA record on the line could indeed be very entertaining

And by the way, regarding Maryville's record - for consecutive conference game wins - it was brought to my attention that it is for consecutine conference REGULAR SEASON wins only  -  Maryville was indeed upset by Webster in the Conference tournament several years ago.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 31, 2008, 09:09:30 am
Bizarre call of the season - at least a call that I've never seen or heard of before.

As a Westminster lady is shooting the second of two free throws, a player on the Webster bench, at the opposite end of the court, is vociferously encouraging her teammates to be ready to rebound.  The shot is missed, and the official under the basket blows his whistle.  The Westminster player is awarded a "do over" for the "blatant" distraction.  Yes - I checked with the coach, it was not a lane violation or anything else - but a penalty for the bench players distraction.
WHAT????   Now if a bench Technical had been called for unsportsman like conduct had been called, I could understand.  But a "do over"??
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 31, 2008, 05:54:13 pm
Hopefan, that does sound like a really odd call. I'd hate to have something that weak be called and it have it determine a close game.

Looking forward to coming up this Saturday for the Fontbonne vs Blackburn game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 01, 2008, 05:45:28 pm
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 

                        FONTBONNE    VS   Blackburn


Fontbonne needs to avenge the earlier loss this season.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 02, 2008, 06:54:48 am
Bizarre call of the season - at least a call that I've never seen or heard of before.

As a Westminster lady is shooting the second of two free throws, a player on the Webster bench, at the opposite end of the court, is vociferously encouraging her teammates to be ready to rebound.  The shot is missed, and the official under the basket blows his whistle.  The Westminster player is awarded a "do over" for the "blatant" distraction.  Yes - I checked with the coach, it was not a lane violation or anything else - but a penalty for the bench players distraction.
WHAT????   Now if a bench Technical had been called for unsportsman like conduct had been called, I could understand.  But a "do over"??

Can anyone tell me if there is a rule that allows for the officials to make a call like this? Perhaps a rule that reads something like this: "The officials, at any point in the game, may make up a rule to address a given situation if no rule exists that would apply to that situation."

All three officials are complicit in this questionable call. The official under the basket blew his whistle. He told the other two officials why he had done so, then remained under the basket while other two discussed it and ultimately told the scorers table and the Webster coach, who rightfully questioned it, what the decision was.

Good grief!! The player shooting the free throws had her back to the Webster bench and could not see anything. Noise is a staple in a game environment and players at the free throw line have to deal with it all the time.

I hope the supervisor of officials hears about this, unless someone can cite an existing rule that allows for such a call.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 02, 2008, 10:58:40 am
I can't say I've ever seen this either. The last time  looked it up, the rule said "no opponent shall disconcert the free throw shooter" or something to that effect. I should mention this was from a high school rule book.

If the official felt the player on the bench was indeed disconcerting the shooter, I guess it was the correct call. In a case like this, it would have been nice to see some "preventative officiating," but maybe the bench had been warned earlier.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 02, 2008, 11:23:03 pm
A gutsy win for Webster over Principia today. Nice to see some players who hadn't been on the floor much of late play some important minutes. The game changed for the better for Webster when Dana Vahey entered in the first half. Within a matter of minutes she had 4 assists. I've been wondering for weeks why she hadn't been playing much (or not at all). I know she has had a shoulder injury. But injury has not kept the coach from playing Michelle McQueen nearly 40 minutes a game, in spite of the fact that I've heard she has a broken bone in her foot. Michelle got a few (but not enough) well deserved minutes of rest today.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 03, 2008, 10:35:51 pm
The top three spots are pretty much a lock now. A battle for the last spot. It will be fun to have both women's and men's conference tourney's in the STL. Good to see jdoug Saturday. Tell Dad I'll make sure Lauren works on her free throws.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 04, 2008, 01:11:22 pm
furbug predicts a Webster women's upset win over Fontbonne Wednesday night - you saw it here first.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 04, 2008, 01:51:26 pm
outlandish!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D   now then, I was seriously considering going to the Maryville Westmin game, but watching Furbug squirm through the lady's game may sway me to east of 270...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 04, 2008, 03:20:53 pm
Well, I had fully expected you to be at the Webster/FU double header anyway. I can't believe you would go to Maryville, unless you are reverting to being a Maryville supporter. Anyway FC does not believe that I have gone that far out on a limb.  :-\
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 04, 2008, 04:20:35 pm
That makes sense, FC and I never agree on anything!!!! ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 04, 2008, 04:44:18 pm
We agree that we usually disagree. ::)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 04, 2008, 06:03:32 pm
Fcnews, please have her work extra on the freebies. She said she was hitting them the day before. I told her those didnt count. I was glad to see her play much better in the second half of Saturday's game against Blackburn. The team seemed to be in a complete daze in the first half. Then, the second half starts and they do show a little something. Heather always impresses me with her hustle and defense. And the post players played great D in the second half as well. And my goofy niece finally decided to hit a few shots.

It looks like Fontbonne is getting better, except for Maryville, as the season has progressed.

Furburg, since I have not seen Webster play I will still respectfully dismiss your prediction. I think Fontbonne rolls. I know it was a close game early in the season, but I think the Griffins are gearing up.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 04, 2008, 07:15:59 pm
Furburg, since I have not seen Webster play I will still respectfully dismiss your prediction. I

Respectfully!! Thanks, jdoug2. That is more than I expected. This posting site is taking on a bit of class!  ::)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WU_SID on February 06, 2008, 12:18:35 am
live stats will be available for the Fontbonne-Webster game by clicking on the following link.

http://livestats.internetconsult.com/webster/mbball/xlive.htm
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 06, 2008, 05:56:47 pm
Thanks for the info WU SID. It can be frustrating waiting on scores checking various websites. I wish all schools had something like live updates. Hint, hint Fontbonne.

And that last spot for the conference tourney is really in play. Looks like 5 teams have a shot. Good luck to whoever gets fed to Maryville in the opener.  ;)

And let's GO Fontbonne tonight vs Webster.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 06, 2008, 07:56:19 pm
Thanks to Webster's website...   Fontbonne up 44-27 at half.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 06, 2008, 08:41:05 pm
Fontbonne rolls 85-55. Sorry furbug. Font kills on the glass 50 to 25. Still has too many to's.

Once again, great website for live stats.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 06, 2008, 11:32:34 pm
Yes, I was there, jdoug2. It was painful to watch, believe me. Lauren looked very good, hit a couple of nice 3's when they needed it. The game was close then, believe it or not - 26-26. My consolation, however, was the men's game that followed.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 07, 2008, 07:04:16 pm
Furbug, glad you found some solace in the men's game. And since I have no affiliation with the men's side, I'll be ok.

Glad Lauren had a good first half. Looks like her second half shooting wasn't so hot. She did have 5 assts and 4 steals. I was thinking Fontbonne would win big. They just need to get over that mental hurdle against Maryville.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 08, 2008, 09:26:09 am
Jdoug - If you saw the 2 teams, you might agree that it could be classified as a little more problematic than a 'mental hurdle'. ::)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 08, 2008, 03:23:02 pm
Hopefan, you are correct. It's obviously more than mental. I do think Fontbonne could be more competitive against Maryville. I wish I could break away from work and see the two teams play. Wednesdays just are too tough.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 08, 2008, 07:20:33 pm
Guys, for what it's worth, every team in the Sliac is tough. Night in and night out, no matter where you play, you are going to be in a dogfight. My hats go off to all the coaches and players in the conference.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 09, 2008, 09:33:15 am
There is a very nice article in this morning's Post Dispatch about Greenville and in particular Natalie Lappe, a very impressive young lady. SLIAC is really doing well lately in terms of local publicity. :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 09, 2008, 10:43:51 am
Coach Dubb  -  while I approve of any positive statements made about the SLIAC, one has to be realistic about the level of play in the conference.  Eight of the teams are very competitive vs each other, which makes most games enjoyable to watch - on most nights, they will not be competitve vs Maryville.  And in the same tone of realism, Maryville really is not high on the scale of leaders within the region.

Furbug - I read the same article and will be making it a point to watch the young lady play vs Maryville over at Greenville this afternoon..  I really enjoy that kind of article that highlights one of the SLIAC teams or players.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 09, 2008, 12:32:42 pm
Hopefan,

All the teams have to start from somewhere, so playing each other tough is the alpha. I am sure that every team is working hard to challenge Maryville, as they are the top of the mountain.

In due time, the coaches in this conference will produce.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WU_SID on February 09, 2008, 01:48:29 pm
Webster-Blackburn game will have live stats. Click on the following link

http://livestats.internetconsult.com/webster/mbball/xlive.htm
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 09, 2008, 06:47:43 pm
Fontbonne wins vs Eureka. Not dominating, but a win.

Hopefan, I have to agree with you concerning overall play in the conference. There is Maryville, and everyone else. Granted in the "others" category there is some decent competition. With some teams looking good. It hasn't seemed to help when it comes to playing the big dog. As for Maryville, it would be frustrating to me if I were a fan. None of your conference wins gain you any respect. You have to have a really tough non-conference schedule to get any recognition.

All that being said..... still hoping Fontbonne can pull the huge upset Wednesday.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 09, 2008, 06:51:21 pm
in the same tone of realism, Maryville really is not high on the scale of leaders within the region.

Yes, we must be realistic. Maryville lost to Wash U by 29 points and Wash U isn't ranked in the top 25 in the country, although they do have some votes. To further widen the gap, Wash U has only one senior on the team, who doesn't see many minutes, and their best player, a junior, is out for the season with a knee injury, which occured a couple of weeks before the game with Maryville.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 11, 2008, 09:21:19 am
Eureka's record does not reflect how good of a team they are. They have two stud players that can go on a scoring spree at any time. Nicole Fisher and Brittany Gardner are two of the better players in the SLIAC. This also holds true for MacMurry, as they have Abby Lowe, who can score 30 on you in a half.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 11, 2008, 12:01:00 pm
Coach Dub - somehow the smaller Illinois SLIAC schools have to figure out how to recruit more numbers to their programs.  Playing with 7 and 8 on the team is simply not condusive to winning, even though, as you point out, there are some good individuals out there.   Part of the reason those individuals have high numbers is likely because they are forced to do more because of the lack of help from teammates.

It doesnt get any better either - both Eureka ladies are seniors - Abby Lowe from Mac is a junior.  And by the way, if you have a tape of her scoring 30 in a half, ... I'd love to see it ;D

I also would point out that Maryville has only one Senior starter - that's 4 starters returning, plus their first two off the bench + the possibility that 3 year starter Sarah Bartolic who has been out all year in a leg cast MAY return next year to play.  That being said, All those players would be seniors next year, so after next year, the conference could be much more equitable.

So the question is, what team has been using lots of sophs and frosh this year that could be termed a good bet for being a leader in two years.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 11, 2008, 12:50:53 pm
Hopefan, you make some great points, as numbers do play a huge roll with many of the teams in the SLIAC. I was just saying, that Abby is capable of exploding for 30 quick points in a half.

As for rosters, I hope that every team in this conference does a better job of recruiting, so they can match up with the top teams in the conference. If you look at the standings, there are a couple of suprise teams doing well, and they don't have all seniors.

Teams will just have to stop being so afraid of Maryville, which is what I feel happens when the other SLIAC teams play them...they are afraid before they take the court.

I still have to agree with your argument. Maryville will be good again next season, and they will prolly recruit more good kids the following season so that the program continue to have success.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 11, 2008, 04:33:38 pm


I would agree with you that Lowe from MacMurray can put 30 on you in a half.  I believe she had 21 1st half against Fontbonne at Fontbonne.  There are some young coaches in the SLIAC such as Hearn from Eureka and Jensen from MacMurray.  Lets give them a year or two to see how they do with filling up rosters.  Personally I believe both of them will be fine. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 11, 2008, 06:12:27 pm
Keep in mind it's not just numbers. Fontbonne has 20 on it's roster and hasn't touched Maryville yet. And since I've only seen a couple of SLIAC teams I can't judge their talent level.  My brother in law did say Eureka had 2 really good players. He also said they only played 6 kids in the game vs Fontbonne. That's a tough one.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 12, 2008, 02:58:34 am
Coach Dub - somehow the smaller Illinois SLIAC schools have to figure out how to recruit more numbers to their programs.  Playing with 7 and 8 on the team is simply not condusive to winning, even though, as you point out, there are some good individuals out there.   Part of the reason those individuals have high numbers is likely because they are forced to do more because of the lack of help from teammates.

It doesnt get any better either - both Eureka ladies are seniors - Abby Lowe from Mac is a junior.  And by the way, if you have a tape of her scoring 30 in a half, ... I'd love to see it ;D

I also would point out that Maryville has only one Senior starter - that's 4 starters returning, plus their first two off the bench + the possibility that 3 year starter Sarah Bartolic who has been out all year in a leg cast MAY return next year to play.  That being said, All those players would be seniors next year, so after next year, the conference could be much more equitable.

So the question is, what team has been using lots of sophs and frosh this year that could be termed a good bet for being a leader in two years.

Careful here, Hopefan. What are you saying? That certain players are playing 1 or 2 on 5? No one averaged 17 and 13 like a certain EC player is doing this season playing 1 on 5.

Are you saying certain players are forcing shots up because their teammates aren't any good? Then why is a certain EC player shooting 52% from the field?

Are you saying certain players wouldn't be playing as many minutes if teams had deeper rosters? Wrong again. Of course the stats I've thrown out here are those of Nicole Fisher of the Red Devils. Time and again, I've seen her dominate the 2nd half of games even though she rarely gets taken out of the game.

Against teams like Fontbonne and Maryville, who most would say have the deepest benches in the league, she has averaged 19.5 points and 11.8 rebounds while shooting 63%. If she was ever going to wear down, wouldn't be against teams running in fresher players against her? So, what purpose does it serve to take her out?

You may have a point about the limited roster making it more difficult to have a winning season. It's a long season and many things can happen.  But don't degrade any individual's accomplishments just because you think teams should have more players available. How many times have you seen Eureka play to make that assessment, anyway? As someone that has seen them play all season I can tell you, the players on Eureka aren't "...forced to do more because of the lack of help from teammates." They are in most cases capable to doing more in the first place and are allowed to do so.

Basketball is a team game. When a player puts up great stats, it's always BECAUSE of their teammates. Not IN SPITE of them!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 12, 2008, 03:11:55 am
Keep in mind it's not just numbers. Fontbonne has 20 on it's roster and hasn't touched Maryville yet. And since I've only seen a couple of SLIAC teams I can't judge their talent level.  My brother in law did say Eureka had 2 really good players. He also said they only played 6 kids in the game vs Fontbonne. That's a tough one.

Actually, 7 players got in for Eureka, which was just 2 less than Fontbonne, who played 9, including 1 that barely got in (6 min.). We've tried hard to not use this as an excuse and I'd rather other people not use it either. EC had enough players and talent to win the game, but Fontbonne played better. That should be the focus. Give credit to Fontbonne for playing well enough to deserve to win. Your sentiments are understandable, but also unnecessary.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 12, 2008, 06:29:56 am
Yikes - my remark was not meant in any way to be a condemnation of the ladies mentioned - just a point of logic - if their are few players on a roster, logicly the talent pool may be less, both quantitatively and qualitatively, and the team leader may be asked to do more.

Nothing more than that to my statement.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 12, 2008, 09:37:34 am
Hopefan,

I am sure that the new coaches in this conference as well as the elder coaches are out there recruiting hard for the future. If any of them have a competitive bone in thier body, I am sure that they want to be the one to knock off Maryville (which is not going to be an easy task in the least bit). Lets wait to see what happens.

If you look at the standing, you can already see changes, some of the teams that were picked in the pre season poll to finsh towards the top of the conference are on the bottom, and some selected to finish towards the bottom are up top. Either some coaches are doing a great job with the talent that they have, or there is a cloud of luck floating around.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 12, 2008, 10:05:32 am
Hopefan,

I would agree that on some of these smaller roster sizes the leaders are ask to do more but inturn the other team focuses more on them.  I am sure Fisher from Eureka and Lowe from MacMurray would love to stop seeing junk defenses where they are doubled team, denied the ball physically and are the sole focus for the other team. 

I look at them averaging 17 each as impressive.  It should be a good matchup tomorrow with MacMurray having Evans back who was not at the game at Mac.  Wish I could go but that work thing is getting in the way of basketball.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 12, 2008, 06:11:39 pm
Eureka sid, I was definitely not slighting your school. Looking at the stats and from my Texas scouts, Eureka played a really good game. Once again, my brother-in law said Fisher was a beast. And forgive me for not being able to count. As for Fontbonne playing fewer players, it makes sense. Close game. Late in the season, you shorten the bench.

I also agree with Hopefan. It is tough sledding with only 7-8 players. Practice is tough. Injuries happen. And foul trouble happens. Ideally you want a  big roster and then you figure out your 8 best.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 12, 2008, 06:16:41 pm
My usual cheer for a big Fontbonne game against Maryville tomorrow. Maybe if they keep the to's somewhat in check....  ;)

GO GRIFFINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 13, 2008, 06:01:34 am
Sorry if you thought I blew up at you, Hopefan. That's just a very touchy subject here. It's been tough to practice 5-on-5 this season and with NCAA passing the rule limiting male practice players, it puts an even greater emphasis on having more players next year. Our seniors this year will be missed next year in many ways!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WU_SID on February 13, 2008, 12:42:17 pm
here is the live stats link for the Greenville-Webster women's game

http://livestats.internetconsult.com/webster/mbball/xlive.htm
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: bcbeaverfan1 on February 13, 2008, 01:27:19 pm
I would have to say I have been keeping track of comments made throughout the season and have never said anything; however, I feel as if it is time for me to speak up.  First of all, I agree that every team in the sliac comes to compete and the games are somewhat of a dog fight, but i believe that there is ONE team in particular that continues to get over looked......

If anyone has said anything about Blackburn this season, it has been about them being a "fluke" or having players that don't actually look like basketball players....two initials BS!

No one has mentioned the fact that last year they finished bottom of the conference last year and have really come at some people this year.  They have remained in the number four spot for a few weeks now and are still a couple games ahead of the teams behind them.

I don't believe that fourth place is up for anyone anymore, i think the blackburn lady beavers have rightfully earned their way into the position and nothing is going to knock them down.....they will be in the conference tournament this year!

Good Luck to all the teams....but especially to the Blackburn Lady Beavers...you have worked your butts off this season to prove something to this conference...and it seems as if your new coach is really giving you the tools to be a successful team.....

SOMEONE has to knock off Maryville.....GO BC!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2008, 02:22:49 pm
good job BCbeaverfan1, and welcome to the board - just 2 years ago, I praised Blackburn students for being the most fun, the rowdiest, the most consistent fans in the SLIAC  - the spirit you show in your post is exactly why! 

Glad to see the Beavers will likely make the playoffs, and as you imply, on any given night, upsets DO happen......   Webster did it to Maryville several years ago-it can happen again!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2008, 03:27:16 pm
Ugh  -  First regional ratings are out  -  no sign of Maryville  -  Wash U is No 3 in Central.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 13, 2008, 05:26:05 pm
good job BCbeaverfan1, and welcome to the board - just 2 years ago, I praised Blackburn students for being the most fun, the rowdiest, the most consistent fans in the SLIAC  - the spirit you show in your post is exactly why! 

I agree with this and with the sentiments of BCbeaverfan1. I mentioned once before on this site what a competitive team Blackburn has been, in spite of small squads. I would never count them out.

As far as the comment by Hopefan, one of the most fun times I have had was a few years ago at Blackburn. The women had already played, and there was a Blackburn crowd that was really into the men's game. During time-outs in that game, a competition erupted between a Blackburn fan and Jana Elwood of the Webster women's team in doing back flips up the gym floor. There was a lot of acrobatic talent displayed, and we all loved it.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 13, 2008, 06:21:26 pm
Blackburn played Fontbonne really close in the first half of the game I saw. Once Fontbonne figured out they needed to attack their press it got ugly, but they played tough. And who cares what the players look like. ???

Pre-season predictions???? Another who cares about that. If you place in the top 4 you get your shot.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: iwumichigander on February 13, 2008, 07:26:34 pm
Yikes - my remark was not meant in any way to be a condemnation of the ladies mentioned - just a point of logic - if their are few players on a roster, logicly the talent pool may be less, both quantitatively and qualitatively, and the team leader may be asked to do more.

Nothing more than that to my statement.
I fail to see any logic.  Roster size has nothing to do with talent.  It merely effects the displacement of the amount of water in the pool.  The impact, other than practice problems as eureka_SID stated, is the lack of bench depth when injury, illness, foul troubles, cold shooting or match-up problems occur - particularly against an opponent that can go 8-10 deep.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 13, 2008, 08:06:47 pm
Fontbonne getting killed  55- 32. Maryville must salivate every time they see Fontbonne come up on the schedule.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 13, 2008, 08:55:02 pm
Maryville wins 86-65. No joy in Mudville.  :(
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 13, 2008, 11:31:55 pm
Congratulations to Maryville on setting the REGULAR SEASON consecutive conference games win streak record. I must point out that the words "regular season" have been left out of most of the publicity here in Saint Louis and other places where I have seen references to this impressive accomplishment. They did lose to Webster in the conference tournament championship game in 2005. However, they have also won four conference tournament games the last two years, which are not counted in the record because they aren't regular season games.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 14, 2008, 05:16:23 am
Congrats to the Maryville Saints on the conference winning streak record. It's not easy to go that long with the bulls eye on your back. Nice picture on the front page too!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 14, 2008, 12:57:35 pm
Congrats to Coach Ellis and his Maryville team. Job well done.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 14, 2008, 01:12:07 pm
I must point out that the words "regular season" have been left out of most of the publicity here in Saint Louis and other places where I have seen references to this impressive accomplishment. They did lose to Webster in the conference tournament championship game in 2005.

Interesting that the D3Hoops article also erroneously calls it the conference winning streak, leaving out the words "regular season". Another interesting fact is that current Maryville player Toni Picerno played on the Webster University team that beat Maryville in the SLIAC championship game in 2005, the last conference game Maryville lost. Kasey Schultz, who played for Maryville last year, and was a key part of the streak, also played on the Webster team that beat them in 2005.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 14, 2008, 09:41:37 pm
We also need to extend a congrats to Gardner from Eureka for scoring her 1,000 point on Wednesday.  Looks like she had a monster second half.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 15, 2008, 02:14:11 am
We also need to extend a congrats to Gardner from Eureka for scoring her 1,000 point on Wednesday.  Looks like she had a monster second half.

Thanks for mentioning that, HCACBBALL. It's a testament to how dedicated she is to the game. I don't know of too many people that saw her walk through the door as a frosh that thought she would score 100 points, let alone 1,000.  :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 15, 2008, 11:51:02 am
Congrats to Meghan Polston, as she moved into the #4 spot on the Blackburn all-time scoring list. By the time she is done, she should be the school all-time leading scorer. Meghan is at 1200 points for her career, and is just shy of 400 points from taking the top spot.

Congrats to Meghan.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 17, 2008, 09:16:11 am
Nice to see Webster get another conference win. That's been the intriguing thing to me about their season compared to last year. There's a bit more depth this year but only 4 conference wins with just 3 games to go. A couple of the remaining games are winnable and it would be good to at least match least year's conference win total of 6. The 6 non-conference wins are nice, but in-conference record has to be the primary measuring stick right now for a program that is rebuilding. We need teams that can compete with Maryville, and we don't want that to happen by Maryville getting worse. We want it to happen by the rest of the conference getting better.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 19, 2008, 12:43:19 pm
Good luck to all the conference schools down the stretch.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 19, 2008, 04:38:59 pm
Looks like Blackburn can wrap up the final berth in the playoffs with a couple of wins to finish the season. Whichever teams gets the #4 spot has the honor of playing Maryville first.

For some reason I still think Maryville can be beaten. Not that there is any evidence to my theory. Fontbonne cut way down on their to's in the last game and still lost by 20. Maybe if the rest of the conference could put together an all-star team.  ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 19, 2008, 11:40:22 pm
I just want to say that I think Christina Speer of Principia is the Best player in the SLIAC.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 20, 2008, 12:23:44 am
I just want to say that I think Christina Speer of Principia is the Best player in the SLIAC.

Coach Dubb, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and your enthusiasm for SLIAC women's basketball is great to have on this board.  But if you would have seen either game between Eureka and Principia this season, you would likely have a different opinion. Speer is an outstanding player and a solid choice for best player in the league, but she was out-played by Nicole Fisher by a wide margin in both match ups. Granted, it's difficult for me to have a truly objective view, but here are the combined stats:

Fisher: 12-26 FG, 33 pts, 32 reb, 5 stl
Speer: 6-16 FG, 14 pts, 12 reb, 6 blk
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 20, 2008, 01:09:14 am
Eureka, you make a great point, as I feel that Speer is 1A and Fisheris 1B. This is not a knock on
Fisher, as she is a monster on the court. The ball has a way of finding herhands on rebounds, and she does a great job of finishing around the bucket. I would say that Fisher plays with a great guard, in Brittany Gardner and Speer does not have the same supporting cast

Again, no disrespect to Fisher, she is off the chains!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 20, 2008, 07:48:46 pm
Since Fontbonne does not have one outstanding player, I would defer to another team for player of the year.

My brother in law said Fisher was the best player he has seen in the conference. And I saw Speer play in a game where she was mostly ineffective vs Fontbonne.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 21, 2008, 12:26:43 am
JDoug, I would take a great team over a great player any day. This is why Greenville, Fontboone and Maryville are the top three teams in the conference. Gotta give some acknowledgement to the Beavers of Blackburn as well, as it looks like they have clinced the 4th seed. Great job...now you get to play Maryville for a third time.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 21, 2008, 10:00:09 am
For some reason I still think Maryville can be beaten. Not that there is any evidence to my theory.

Yes, they can be beaten. There is now evidence to your theory. Webster came within 2 crucial turnovers in the last couple of minutes of doing so.  I guess that we still need to play the games. :-\
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 21, 2008, 02:13:27 pm
Absolutely fantastic comeback by Webster's ladies vs Maryville - down by 27 in the first half, they clawed there way ALMOST all the way back....  lesson for everyone from this one!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 21, 2008, 02:59:22 pm
Just my two cents but the Shipley kid is impressive.  She may not be the best player in the conference this year but she can take over any game at any time.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 21, 2008, 04:19:24 pm
Just my two cents but the Shipley kid is impressive.  She may not be the best player in the conference this year but she can take over any game at any time.

I assume you mean Blackburn's Sierra Shipley. Yes, she's a very good player. Before I had seen her play for the first time someone had raved about her and my expectations were way too high. But she is definitely in the uppper ecehelon of talent in the conference.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 21, 2008, 04:31:23 pm
Yes, that would be the one from Blackburn.  My expectations were low and she exceeded them greatly.  But I guess it goes on the game you saw.  I was not impressed with the first game I saw of Speers from Prin but the second game she was dominate. 

I personally though would like to give praise to the "teams" in the conference.  The top 3 teams have all showed to play as a team on a nightly basis with different players stepping up.  That is when you are going to be successful.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 21, 2008, 05:10:35 pm
How in the heck did Webster do it? Did Maryville just put it on auto-pilot? I'm not trying to devalue the Webster team... just wondering if Maryville lost focus.

I did see Shipley play. She has a nice open court game, but when Fontbonne layed off her and forced her to take the outside shot her game lacked. She was really nice pushing the ball and drew quite a few fouls.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 21, 2008, 05:25:12 pm
I didn't see the game because I was sick and couldn't make it. From the box score, the key state of the game is that Maryville hit only 3 of their 20 3 point attempts. If they just have an average night shooting 3s and hit another 3 or 4, then a 7 point game is a 16-19 point game. Taking nothing away from Webster. Hopefan was there and he is not prone gloss over things. His post suggests that Webster played inspired ball. I trust his judgment.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 21, 2008, 06:00:09 pm
On the best player discussion, I will throw in Abby Lowe of MacMurray, but I think it all depends on the games a person saw. Christina Speer did not look all that good when I saw her this year at Webster. I have not seen Nicole Fisher yet this year.  Christina may well be the best multi-sport athlete however, or Natalie Lappe of Greenville for that matter.

As far as Webster last night, they did play inspired ball, shooting 58% for the second half, 47% for the game. Prior to this in recent games a good shooting game for Webster was when they reached or exceeded 30%. They also hit 90% on free throws and did a reasonably good job on Allie Wilhelm. This was a fired up Webster team who wanted that win badly. Remember they were the last conference team to beat Maryville, but it was post season and they are not getting any credit for that. Several of them told me after the game that they badly wanted to snap that streak.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 21, 2008, 06:16:33 pm
Big props to Webster. I am dutifully impressed without seeing the game.

As for P.O.Y. it really depends on how many players you were able to see and how they performed in those games. I hate to say it, but you have to take stats into the equation. Also, I would find it difficult to choose a player whose team is below .500 in conference. I know it is an individual award but if you are player of the year you need to lift your team.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 21, 2008, 06:33:45 pm
I agree, the best player should come from one of the top three teams in the conference, unless a dominant player does not have other talented players to play with.

Top players in conference:

1. Fischer
2. Speer
3. Lowe
4. Shipley
5. Banal/Gardner


just my opinion.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 21, 2008, 10:12:13 pm
Personally, mine would be

1. Lowe
2. Speers
3 Fisher
4. Shipley

I am amazed by what Lowe can do as a guard.  She has to handle the ball and from the handful of games I have seen has been the main attraction of the opponents.  Her stats have come down as the season had gone along but that could be due to the fact she has to carry much of the load.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 22, 2008, 08:20:11 am
You guys follow the ladies much closer than I do, but it's hard to imagine that someone from Maryville doesn't rate consideration in your list - likely either Wemliger or Wilhelm.  By naming 5 candidates for POY without including a Maryville player, you imply that no Maryville player even makes first team all conference, though Maryville wins the conference by 3 or 4 games.   That doesn't sound logical to me.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 22, 2008, 10:51:41 am
I have to agree with hopefan. Even though I have not seen a Maryville game, someone on that team has to get some P.O.Y. consideration. You are talking about the dominant team.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 22, 2008, 12:17:21 pm
Jdoug and Hopefan, you make a good point, but maryville is a great team, and the players listed are great players that play on decent teams. Is the award best player or best team player?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: DukeDevil on February 22, 2008, 12:58:52 pm
Laughable. Maryville's average margin of victory is +26 over conference opponents including 35 & 42 point wins over the #4 team Blackburn, 21 & 41 point wins over #3 Fontbonne and 14 & 19 point wins over #2 Greenville, and yet Coach Dubb you do not think they have a single player worthy of your top 5 list? 

In addition, let's take a look at how your selections did against the top team in the conference, I believe a fairly strong measure of a player's POY worthiness:

Banal - 5-17 fg's (29%) 5 to's
Gardner - 8-31 fg's (26%)  18 to's
Lowe - 6-20 fg's (30%) 7 to's
Speers - 6-17 fg's (35%) (although did have 10 rebs)
Shipley - 12-31 (39%) 13 to's
Fisher - 16-22 (73%) 21 rebs

Based on these numbers, perhaps Fisher is a legitimate or the only candidate, but I do not see any numbers posted by the other players which make them worthy of POY.  I am not proposing Wilhelm or Wemlinger deserve the POY award, but given the teams dominance, surely they are worthy of top 5 consideration.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 22, 2008, 01:31:26 pm
I would say the MOP is indeed the best player - my comment was more to wonder if one of the Maryville ladies didn't belong in a list of 5, and on the first team all conference, as compared to being the individual MOP

lets look at some numbers - conference games

player   team  min/game   pts/game   reb/game   asst/game   assist/to

Speer    Prin       31                14             11               1.9               .7

Shiply   BC          32               14                6                1.3              .4

Fisher     EC        37                18              14               1.1               .3

Gardner  EC         38               13               4                 2.4              .5

Banal      GC         27               14               3                1.1               .5

Lowe      Mac        35               18               5                 1.4              .2

Wemliger  MU       24               13               5                  2                 1.3


while the numbers are similar in most instances - note
1) extend Wemliger's numbers to 32 minutes per game reather than the 24 she gets, and her scoring is at 17  -  extend it to the 35 that Lowe gets, and she's at 19 - extend it to the 37 or 38 that the EC ladies get and she's over 20

2) also check out the assist to Turnovers ratio   Lowe is LOW - why?  because she leads the conference in turnovers - BY FAR - with 104!!  And who is second - Gardner with 78.....
 

Just by the numbers, I'm inclined to say the BEST player in the conference is a tossup between Fisher, Speer, and Wemlinger....

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 22, 2008, 01:44:57 pm
Again, I say that Maryville TEAM is the best, which also includes team defense! No one is knocking any player from Maryville, as we all know that they can play, but when I hear POY, I look at a player that can take over the game at any point. and it's one of four people:

Speer, Lowe, Fischer and Shipley.

If you replaced one of these four with either of those two MU players, what would their numbers be with other great players around them? Do you think the MU players would put up better numbers not having the supporting cast.

This in no way is to be taken as disrespect, as MU is the cream of the crop. And they have many quality players, and yes, one or both of those young ladies could easily be 1st team all conference. That was not the argument.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 22, 2008, 04:54:35 pm
I'm not saying someone from Maryville should be player of the year, but someone on that team has to be a top 5. And there is no way someone with one conference win can be P.O.Y.  My vote would be for Fisher.

I'm not putting Fontbonne in Maryville's class, but both teams keep their individual stats down by limiting minutes. I think Heather Mc Allister is Fontbonne's best player. She average just over 10 pts and 7 reb but only plays 21 minutes. She also plays lock down defense.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 23, 2008, 04:33:22 am
I believe Maryville deserves and will get some representatives on the all-conference teams, but as far as the Player of the Year discussion goes, I have to believe the conversation begins and ends with Nicole Fisher. I've noticed several posted try to logically play this out, and they all end up with the same name. I think it's good to discuss things like this, but I've seen every team, most of them twice and that's my conclusion.

D3Hoops recognized her as 3rd team all-region last year even though the conference didn't name her player of the year. The award should go to the best player in the league. Sure, players should be given some credit for helping their team win, but isn't someone doing that by putting up 18 and 14 a game? Fisher has been amazingly consistent all year. If you want to look at how she did against the best teams, look at the combined stats in the 2 Maryville games:

Fisher: 16-22 FG, 44 pts, 21 reb
Wilhelm: 2-10 FG, 9 pts, 9 reb
Wemlinger: 6-19 FG, 14 pts, 6 reb

Maybe it's because I've been lucky enough to see her play over 50 times, but it's not an accident that the best players on opposing teams always have bad nights against her. Shipley was 8-for-27 in 2 games, Speer was 6-for-16, and you can see the Maryville stats above. All players are very good, which is why I mention them. It is out of the ordinary for them to be held to these numbers, so let's give credit to the defense they are facing.

I don't buy into the notion that Speer gets little support from her teammates. Bushong is a good shooter, McDaniel is a nice player inside and Wheeler did some nice things as a guard.

I hope also that Brittany Gardner and Brandi Payne are considered as well. They have been troopers all year.

OK, so you're probably wondering who would be on my 1st team. Well, I don't get to vote on these things officially, but mine would look like this:

Fisher (Eureka) (POY)
Bergheger (Maryville)
McAllister (Fontbonne)
Banal (Greenville)
Speer (Principia)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 23, 2008, 09:50:08 am
There is no way that Lowe and Shipley should be left off of this list!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2008, 11:41:45 am
the conversation makes me wish I had paid more attention during the season...  I do have a high amount of respect for Eureka SID's thoughts in that he has seen all teams twice given his position....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 23, 2008, 12:42:26 pm
Let's wait and see what the coaches in the SLIAC think, since they will get the last laugh. Big game for several skools today.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 23, 2008, 09:00:20 pm
Webster won today 71-68 in double overtime over Eureka. Congratulations are due both teams and coaches, however, for a gutsy, hard fought game in which both teams were playing hard to win just for pride. Nice to see.  :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 24, 2008, 11:02:52 am
Holy Mackeral!!!   I was told by Yjack that the Eureka coaching staff was pretty upset over the officiating at their game at Webster - I just looked at the boxscore and can see why...

Webster 18 fouls, Eureka 29
Webster 41 free throws attempted, Eureka 12
Eureka had 9 more Field goals than Webster and still lost......

Eureka's Nicole Fischer was one of several to foul out - must have been on the bench quite a bit in foul trouble - got only 6 field goal attempts, and made all of them!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: d3hooper on February 24, 2008, 05:00:12 pm
Very Proud to see Webster come out and win yesterday.  I dont know if the refs were bad or if there were just a lot of fouls happening. Never take a win from a team and blame refs. Webster played hard as did Eureka and Webster came out on top. You can blame refs all year long on questionable calls, yesterday one team was more aggressive, the other shot more 3's. Of coarse you will have more fouls called when another team is more agrressive.

Katy Meyer for new comer of the year!!!!  Wake up guys
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 24, 2008, 06:13:33 pm
Holy Mackeral!!!   I was told by Yjack that the Eureka coaching staff was pretty upset over the officiating at their game at Webster

What I said was that Eureka's head coach was extremely upset about the fifth foul called on Nicole Fisher and that one of the assistant coaches stepped in to keep her from getting a technical. From my angle I couldn't really judge the call, but the coach had a much better look at it than I did, so she may have been justified in being upset, especially given that it was her best player fouling out at the end of a close game.

However, I agree with our guest, d3hooper, that in spite of the foul discrepancy, the officials were not the reason for the outcome of the game. Eureka did commit quite a lot of obvious fouls and the officials did ther job and called them.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 24, 2008, 06:55:43 pm
Yjack, D3hooper  -  If I'm being accused, I DID NOT say the officials cost Eureka game, I just said I was told the coach was upset, and by looking at the FTA discrepancy and FG discrepancy, I can see why.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 24, 2008, 07:09:15 pm
Hopefan, would I accuse you of anything? Of course not! I was just clarifying that the situation I described to you was specifically related to the 5th foul against Nicole Fisher. I never said that the entire Eureka coaching staff was upset with the officiating in general -- altough they could have been, given the stats you cite. But I stand by my observation that "Eureka did commit a lot of obvious fouls and the officials did their job and called them."
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 24, 2008, 07:56:12 pm
Watched Fontbonne hang 100 on Lincoln Christian yesterday.  Fontbonne sank 15 3's. No starter or "regular" played more than 16 minutes. So the 10 of us who came to watch my niece play mainly cheered for the bench. Fontbonne was just hitting wide open shots all game. Lincoln never gave up, but was totally outmatched. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 24, 2008, 11:24:15 pm
Hands down, Sierra Shipley is the Player of the year< Without her Blackburn does not finish 4th in conference. She also should be on the all conference team.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 25, 2008, 04:55:19 am
Very Proud to see Webster come out and win yesterday.  I dont know if the refs were bad or if there were just a lot of fouls happening. Never take a win from a team and blame refs. Webster played hard as did Eureka and Webster came out on top. You can blame refs all year long on questionable calls, yesterday one team was more aggressive, the other shot more 3's. Of coarse you will have more fouls called when another team is more agrressive.

Katy Meyer for new comer of the year!!!!  Wake up guys

Just for the record, both teams attempted 16 three-pointers. It's doesn't sound like you were at the game, so how would you know whether one team was more aggressive?

This was a hard fought game by both teams. Webster deserved to be rewarded with a win, but then again, I thought Eureka did too. I'm not going to comment on the officiating because I'll probably just get myself in trouble. The facts are there for all to see in the stats. The fouls and free throws don't have to be even. The players and coaches just deserve the game to be called fairly. Blackburn shot 47 free throws to Westminster's 12 Saturday, but it was 45 to 19 in FT's the 1st time they played, so maybe this is just the way those 2 match up.

I think the reaction was the culmination of a lot of frustrations from this season. Eureka has lost 3 games in the final 20 seconds of a game (home vs. Greenville, @ Blackburn, @ Webster) in which a foul called against them directly led to a loss. Maybe the calls were right, maybe they weren't, but it does explain why the frustration has mounted. The technical actually came after an offensive foul on Brandi Payne, which was preceded by Fisher's 5th foul on her offensive foul.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 25, 2008, 05:22:16 am
There is no way that Lowe and Shipley should be left off of this list!

I wish I could put them on my list, Coach Dubb, but there's only room for 5. Fisher and Speer should be unanimous selections. Banal of Greenville, in my opinion, is an easy choice for 1st team. She has more steals than turnovers, shoots a high percentage from the field, on threes, and at the line, and is in the top 5 in scoring for a top 3 team in the league.

I think as a potential undefeated champion, Maryville should have some representation on the 1st team, and I think Bergheger is the Saints' best all-around player. McAllister of Fontbonne gets my vote for similar reasons. Her averages are 11.4 ppg and 8 rpg and has decent ast, to, and steal stats.

Shipley doesn't rebound it as well and shoots below 40% from the field. Plus, her assist-to-turnovers are poor. I would put her down as Newcomer of the Year, but I'm personally not even convinced she's the best player on her own team with Polston's presence.

Lowe is an outstanding player as well and leads the league in scoring. But she's only shooting 35% and has an alarming number of turnovers.

I realize you have been very supportive of Brittany Gardner's all-conference candidacy on this board, so I'm not really trying to prove you wrong here, but I offer the following stats as a comparison between the two:

Lowe: 18.5 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 1.5 apg, 1.9 spg, 35% FG, 35-93 (38%) 3PT, 67% FT, 7.3 TO/game
Gardner: 14.1 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg, 1.1 spg, 34% FG, 22-68 (32%) 3PT, 73% FT, 5.1 TO/game

You have to put Lowe above Gardner, but the two are closer than some would think I believe.

Again, I can understand why you would think they should be 1st teamers, and the coaches may end up agreeing with you. But this is why I didn't put them in my top 5.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 25, 2008, 06:04:06 am
I made a mistake, I did not mean that Shipley should be player of the year, I mean New comer of the year. Excuse me for making that mistake. Player of the year should be Speer or Fisher.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 25, 2008, 12:01:28 pm
Note that neither Bergheger nor Wemlinger played for Maryville on Saturday.  Bergheger banged her knee hard vs Webster, Wemlinger has been out several games.  2 good replacements in Douglas and Maines, but the depth falls off noticeably after that.

If the two missing starters are missing for the conference tourney, there is an opportunity for upset.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 25, 2008, 05:33:53 pm
I probably have to agree with eureka-sid for the top 5. My only hesitation would be the game I saw Speer play she didn't do very much. Maryville has to have at least one and McAllister for Fontbonne is a nice choice. Heather really gets after it on both ends of the court.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 27, 2008, 12:37:18 am
Congrats to Blackburn for finishing the season 4th in the SLIAC. they were selected 8th in the pre-season poll. Nice job by the Blackburn point guard Kasie Wyciskalla on Abby Lowe. Good luck in the tournament vs. Maryville on Friday.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 28, 2008, 05:29:12 pm
Ok people, any predictions on the tourney? Does anyone think Maryville can be beaten?

I will make the "unbiased" pick and say Fontbonne plays their best game and takes out Maryville.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 28, 2008, 06:12:28 pm
With Bergheger and Wemlinger playing on Tuesday I do not see there is any possible way that Maryville does not win the tourney.  I hope for some good games but realistically their depth with those two is tough to overcome.  I am going to call for a Maryville/Greenville Championship game and Maryville moving on to the National Tourney.  I hope they can make some noise.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: thenatural13 on February 28, 2008, 06:50:24 pm
Dont get me wrong, Maryville does have a deep bench and basically makes hockey like line changes.... however this is the year where the unbeaten choke. EXAMPLE: PATRIOTS..... need i say more. Im hoping for a major first round upset. LETS GO BLACKBURN!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 28, 2008, 07:07:07 pm
Coach Williams has done a good job at Blackburn but I do not think that will happen.  Good luck on that one.  Without Wemlinger they may have a shot but she had 17 on Tuesday and will be ready to go tomorrow.  But this is why we play the game.  The great thing about the tourney is that all teams involved are 0-0 and you win you keep playing; you lose you go home!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 28, 2008, 08:09:20 pm
"A hockey line change" what a great quote. I guess Blackburn will tag in, as the wrestlers do in the WWF....Good luck to all, may the best women win.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: thenatural13 on February 28, 2008, 09:52:57 pm
You can praise Maryville all you want, all i am saying is its time for a change. that starts one step at a time no matter who the next opponent is wether it be blackburn, fontbonne or even lincoln christian (Yes, i realize they're no longer in the conference).
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 28, 2008, 09:59:07 pm
It is time for a change but I am sorry to say that change does not happen this year.  There is a lot of new blood in this conference and if I was Maryville I would be aware of that.  But this year they have no match.  Good Luck to the Beavers!!!! you will need it.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 28, 2008, 10:14:49 pm
Granted there is nothing to indicate Maryville will lose....but they can't win forever. UCLA finally lost a game when they were on their roll. Upsets happen. It will probably take Maryville being off their game, and the other team lighting it up from deep. I haven't seen Greenville. So not sure if they have any shooters. Blackburn didn't impress me with their shooting. If Fontbonne's shooters are hot and they can somehow control the to's. 

Am I just hoping? ???
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: thenatural13 on February 29, 2008, 07:12:53 am
Blackburn has at least 3 girls that can shoot it from behind the arch. 2 who do it consistantly. dont get me wrong i know its going to take a great effort from the lady beavers.. but i will go back to my original statement about the patriots. looks what the giants did. I know thats football, but all in all its the same situation.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 29, 2008, 01:56:09 pm
Wow, we going with the Patriots?  Shipley better have 25 and Polston better get 30 and I still think they get beat.  Good luck on that one.  I hope I eat my words.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: thenatural13 on February 29, 2008, 03:22:27 pm
Just an example (the pats) but yes were going to them for the simple fact that NO ONE thought the Giants stood a chance. Thats all. I know they are both professional teams yada yada yada.. but like i said before same concept. Thats all. The giants who were EXTREMELY overmatched i do believe took home that trophy at the end. Im not trying to create a football blog here.. just giving examples.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 29, 2008, 04:48:03 pm
But those examples are not similar.  The Patriots had some close calls towards the end and were showing they could be beat.  I am not sure this is the case with Maryville.  There does need to be change but it is not happening this weekend. 

Good luck to all the teams involved.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 29, 2008, 11:55:26 pm
It will be Fontbonne vs Maryville in the final tomorrow.

Let's go FONTBONNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on March 01, 2008, 10:31:05 am
Good luck to Fontbonne but I still do not see Maryville getting beat.  Blackburn stuck around early but Maryville was too much to handle.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: thenatural13 on March 01, 2008, 12:02:38 pm
Yes not quite the giants. but they did stick around. not that it made the game it was, but the officials were  horrible.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: thenatural13 on March 01, 2008, 12:03:18 pm
AAAANNNNDDDDD. Coach Williams SLIAC coach of the year!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on March 01, 2008, 06:12:59 pm
Big game tonight. Wish I was there to watch in person. I'm just hoping for a good game. A Fontbonne win would be a huge bonus.

For possibly the last time this season...... GO FONTBONNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on March 01, 2008, 08:00:33 pm
I am not trying to be mean but the officating was horrible?  Not sure the officals had much to do with a 88-49 decision but I was not there maybe they did.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on March 01, 2008, 08:02:08 pm
I did not read down.  Congrats to Coach Williams.  That is a great honor.  He did do a great job.  When do the rest of the All-Conference come out?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on March 01, 2008, 09:49:13 pm
Maryville wins 83-72. Congrats to them. I hope they do well in the tourney.

Judging from the live stats Fontbonne played a tough second half. At one point had the lead down to 6 late in the 2nd. Font rebounded and shot ft's well. Maryville shot great. Wilhelm had a great game for Maryville. Heather was great for Fontbonne. My niece had tough shooting night, but had 14pts and 6 rebs.

Overall pretty good year for Fontbonne.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 02, 2008, 09:58:57 am
NO RESPECT - the projected women's brackets on the front page have Fontbonne in rather than Maryville - an obvious mistake, I informed D3 hoops a couple hours ago - I'm sure they'll make the correction soon -  :D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 02, 2008, 11:41:22 am
The correction has been made!!!  The Maryville ladies are indeed going to the tourney!!!!   ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on March 02, 2008, 04:38:03 pm
Good luck to Coach Ellis and Maryville as they enter the NCAA tourney. Represent the SLIAC well.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on March 03, 2008, 03:08:22 am
I was pleased with the all-conference awards. I'm sure there's people out there that disagree, but Nicole Fisher (POY) and Brittany Gardner (2nd team) got picked right where I thought they should be. Kudos to the coaches for getting it right (or at least agreeing with me).

I would have liked to see McAllister of Fontbonne be on the 1st team, but it's hard for me to find someone that did make it that I would take off.

I was at the championship game and came away not liking Maryville's chances at having a good showing in the tournament. They don't have enough shooters and a good team shouldn't turnover the ball over as much as Maryville is accustomed to in the SLIAC. On the bright side, Wilhelm was very impressive in the championship game and very deserving of tourney MVP.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 03, 2008, 09:58:49 am
well unfortunately, Maryville plays at Illinois Wesleyan, vs Illinois Wesleyan..
other pair at Illinois Wesleyan is Wisconsin Whitewater - Manchester

Illinois Wesleyan has crushed 4 or 5 SLIAC opponents, and beat Wash badly in the first game of the year.   Maryville will be a real Cinderella in this one.....   but we're all rootin' for them.

Maryville lost to Whitewater by 19 earlier in the year, Ill Wes beat Manchester by 32 earlier....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on March 03, 2008, 04:21:40 pm
Good luck to Maryville vs Ill Wes.

I also think McAllister for Fontbonne should have been 1st team, but what the heck do I know.  :)

It was nice to see Reale make 3rd team. And with Maryville going undefeated again I have no problem with them having 4 players make various levels of all-conference.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on March 04, 2008, 05:41:28 pm
It's going to be fun to see how everything shapes out in this conference next year>>>with Fontbonne, Greenville, Blackburn and Webster getting better, one of these teams could catch maryville next year.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 04, 2008, 07:07:19 pm
It's going to be fun to see how everything shapes out in this conference next year>>>with Fontbonne, Greenville, Blackburn and Webster getting better, one of these teams could catch maryville next year.

I wouldn't count on it. The gap is too wide for those teams to catch up next year. Maryville will  have to get worse, as well, and that is the last thing this conference needs. We need Maryville to get better and others to get much, much better.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on March 04, 2008, 07:32:17 pm
There is no way that the other coaches in this conference will not exhaust all that they can to get up to Maryville's level! This does not mean that they will beat them, but we should see less blow outs by them.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 05, 2008, 03:29:53 pm
Seeing fewer blow outs is one thing. Catching Maryville is another. I do agree that the gap can be narrowed, however.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on March 05, 2008, 04:48:09 pm
Every team wants to get better. Executing that idea is another matter. 

Fontbonne is losing 4 seniors, including McAllister, Reale and Chamberlain. They are losing all of their post players. I will be interested to see if coach can do some major recruiting. If not, Fontbonne could have a tougher year in 08-09.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on March 05, 2008, 04:59:57 pm
D3hoops picks Maryville to beat IWU in the first round.  That would be a great shot in the arm to the conference.  Personally I think Maryville will be able to hang with IWU.  I hope Maryville is able to handle IWU's pressure for 40 minutes. 

There is some new blood in the coaching ranks and in the near future will challenge Maryville.  If Blackburn brings in some good recruits I could see them competing against Maryville next year.  This conference needs to have more competition with Maryville which will strengthen Maryville.  I would like to see a team from this conference not only make the national tourney but make some noise in it.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on March 05, 2008, 06:47:09 pm
I have seen both teams play, Maryville and IWU, and I do not think that Maryville will be able to handle IWU pressure defense. Maryville had trouble with Fontbonne's pressure in the 2nd half of the championship game. I think that Westminster and Webster will be better next season as will Principia. Let's not count out any team, as we have quality coaches in this conference.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 05, 2008, 09:33:57 pm
I think that Westminster and Webster will be better next season as will Principia. Let's not count out any team, as we have quality coaches in this conference.

I agree that the pieces are in place for the SLIAC women's teams to improve. The next two to three years will be interesting, and will tell us a good deal about some of the new coaches in the conference.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on March 07, 2008, 05:07:21 pm
Good luck to maryville, I hope that they will be able to handle IWU full court pressure tonight. IWU is just as deep, so Maryville will not be able to wear them down.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 07, 2008, 09:34:55 pm
7 1/2 minutes gone in the ifrst half and IWU leads Maryville 25-10
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 07, 2008, 09:37:38 pm
UNBELIEVABLE!!! MU's Toni Picerno makes a layup on a fast break!! IWU 31 MU 16.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 07, 2008, 09:40:13 pm
Great Ceasers's Ghost!! Toni makes another layup! 34-21 IWU.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 07, 2008, 10:10:11 pm
So Maryville scores 42 points in the first half. In most games that would mean you are leading, or at least close. But IWU scores 63!. Maryville had cut the lead to 2 points with just under 6 minutes left in the half. The score was 38-36 at that point. IWU outscores MU 25-6 the rest of the half.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on March 08, 2008, 02:44:48 am
I was at the the game tonight at IWU. Maryville got murdered in transition. They were beaten back at least 3 times for easy IWU lay ups after MADE baskets! How does that happen this late in the season?

Tough break for Maryville with Wilhelm getting in foul trouble. Illinois Wesleyan's post defense leaves much to be desired and Wilhelm was having her way inside to say the least when they got her the ball.

In the end though, it was a very disappointing effort defensively by Maryville. IWU shot 60% on the night mostly because they had open shots or open lanes to the basket all night. It was a fine season for the Saints, and the conference winning streak is still ongoing. This game was not a fitting end to the season in my opinion, which is too bad.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 08, 2008, 10:29:33 am
This is just further evidence of how far SLIAC women's hoops has to go. It won't make any difference if there are three or four teams that can compete with a Maryville team of this caliber. The bar has to be raised significantly in the conference, or this will happen year, after year, after year. I suppose the only consolation in this is that IWU is ranked #7 and probably has a legitimate shot at the final 4, and perhaps even the national championship, unless their post defense is as suspect as eureka_sid says.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on July 25, 2008, 04:58:20 pm
Big news with Maryville going D2. No offense, but here's hoping Fontbonne beats them this season before they go. Otherwise I wish them well.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WLCALUM83 on July 25, 2008, 10:04:09 pm
I remember reading about Maryville knocking off a good Lakeland squad in a 1st round NCAA hoops game in 05-06. Muskies reportedly gave the MO squad all it could handle until going could offensively the last few minutes.

(Interesting how much tougher Maryville's scheduling may get, eh?)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on July 26, 2008, 08:54:15 pm
Everyone agrees that Maryville will be on top of the conference, how do you all see the rest of the conference shaping out for the upcoming season. Will Greenville or Fontbonne send Maryville off with a conference loss? How much better will Blackburn be since they did not graduate any seniors? Can Webster and Westmin move into the top four? This is going to be a season to remember.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on July 27, 2008, 01:20:48 pm
I think Webster is a huge question mark this year. Principia still has Christina Speer, so they can't be dismissed from consideration for a conference tourney spot. Westminster might be a bit better than last year. Eureka graduated POY Nicole Fisher, so we need eureka_sid to give us some insights.  MacMurray is also a question mark.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on July 29, 2008, 05:35:31 pm
Fontbonne lost their post players including their best player. They still have 3 good scorers. Of course I have no idea if they any good transfers.

I still see Fontbonne in the top 3 of the conference. At least they better be, it's my niece's senior season. :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on July 29, 2008, 07:45:40 pm
It appears that Fontbonne and Eureka lost the most from last season as each team graduated two of the 15 all conference players. Eureka graduated Nicole Fisher (1st team and POY) and Brittany Gardner (2nd team). Fontbonne graduated Heather McAllister (2nd team) and Michele Reale (3rd team). The remaining 11 all-conference players were underclassmen.

I did hear today that Webster is optimistic about its incoming players -- but then what team isn't before the season starts. I don't mean that to sound pessimistic or skeptical about Webster, I hope they are right. This always sorts itself out on the court.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on August 07, 2008, 05:50:06 am
My guess would be that Maryville will be favored to win every SLIAC game they play once again this season and I expect they will run the table to keep their streak alive. But, while we're on the subject, I would give Fontbonne and Principia the best chances of knocking them off this season. Fontbonne probably has the most talent returning and usually brings in some good players each year. Principia will have the best returning player in Speer and arguably gave Maryville their toughest game last season despite having a very inexperienced backcourt.

I would put Greenville on the list of squads that lost the most to graduation. I believe 4 starters have graduated, but I could be wrong on that. Don't take that as me counting the Panthers out. Coach Mulholland runs a great program there and will somehow have his team in the running this year.

Blackburn has some talent, no question about it. But let's keep in mind they also benefited from winning a lot of close games and finished in the bottom half of the league in point differential. Still, you would have to put BC among the favorites to make the tournament in the preseason.

Webster and Westminster have plenty of potential to challenge them as well. They, along with my Red Devils will need some new recruits to help out big time to make that happen though. My guess would be that Eureka will be better than most people think, but we obviously have some big shoes to fill as has already been mentioned.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on August 07, 2008, 07:31:42 pm
Good analysis e_sid. I still think Webster is a big question mark and would not predict them to ba a candidate for the top four spots before seeing who they have this year. And it was apparent from the drubbing Maryville took from IWU in the NCAA tournament last year, just how far the women's side of the SLIAC has to go. No matter how good Maryville is inside the conference, the rest of the schools have to get up to at least that level and push each other to be even better, or we will see the same thing happen to SLIAC teams that make the NCAA tournament in the future.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on August 07, 2008, 09:32:34 pm
yep they all have to catch Maryville  -  oops, wait, after this year, no they don't      :D :D :D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on August 07, 2008, 10:24:14 pm
Good point hopefan. With Maryville gone after this season the bar drops considerably. The conference, and/or the schools in the conference, really have to do something about the competitive level of the women's programs.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on August 08, 2008, 04:18:44 pm
Maybe that's why Maryville is leaving to go D2. Not enough competition.

As for the SLIAC post Maryville, it might just have to settle for being a lower rung conference when it comes to womens bball. That or several programs will have to severely step up their games.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on August 08, 2008, 06:26:57 pm
That is not why Maryville is leaving for D2. Women's basketball is the only sport in which they have excelled/dominated in the conference -- and that has been the past 4-5 years. It has not been that way forever. I believe the move to D2 is about an overall institutional plan for what the Maryville trustees and administration want the school to be.

Even with Maryville the SLIAC is a lower rung conference in D3 women's basketball. Without Maryville who knows where it ranks among all conferences. I certainly hope the conference and member schools don't want to settle for this state of affairs.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on September 16, 2008, 01:40:15 pm
If you didn't notice it, go to the D3hoops home page and click on the link under Notables dated Sep 15. The MacMurray athletic program takes another hit, losing their head women's coach, after one year, to Nebraska Wesleyan.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on September 16, 2008, 03:14:33 pm
Where is Mac Attack when we need him most???? 

 Can't help but wonder if the position was a part time position, and Coach Jensen is moving to a full timer....  Mac has really had its problems - last year they beat only Prin in OT, and Lincoln Christian twice  -  seems to me Abby Lowe was a good player, but not sure if she graduated??   Coach Jensen must have sold himself on his record as an assistant...  Of course, the combo of YJack, Hopefan and FCnews might have had a tough time urging more than 3 wins out of last year's squad....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on September 16, 2008, 04:18:30 pm
I'd leave the coaching to hopefan and fcnews to concentrate on making sure the players have plenty of water to drink.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on September 16, 2008, 05:58:24 pm
True, and it's always up to the 2nd assistant to harrass the officials and take the occasional "t" also.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on September 16, 2008, 07:06:07 pm
Coach Jensen is a good young coach, that had Mac playing some great basketball during the season. Mac gave Maryville all that they could handle, and played well against several other teams in the conference.
Abby Lowe is still at Mac, and is gonna give the conference school nightmares during this upcoming season, as this young lady can really score.
I wish Coach Jensen aka. Shooter the best, and I want him to know that he will be missed in the SLIAC!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on September 19, 2008, 12:13:43 pm
Met the new Maryville Softball Coach as she watched the Eureka - Parkway South ...  Bright, Enthusiastic, Division 1 experience - and far better looking than the prior coach.....    geez, maybe this Division 2 stuff isn't so bad after all
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: AndOne on September 24, 2008, 06:35:44 pm
If you didn't notice it, go to the D3hoops home page and click on the link under Notables dated Sep 15. The MacMurray athletic program takes another hit, losing their head women's coach, after one year, to Nebraska Wesleyan.

Just how big of a hit was it?
He was 3-20.
I think they'll survive.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on September 25, 2008, 02:50:24 pm
The reference to taking a hit was simply about stability in the coaching ranks, not about the team's record. It seems from the article about the coach's move to NWU that he has been part of winning programs so had he stayed at Mac it's quite possible he could have improved the program. If NWU didn't think he could help their program I'm sure he wouldn't have gotten the job.

Of course they will survive, but it's hard on players to play for two or three coaches over a four year period. Webster had that problem and it has taken a toll.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: AndOne on September 25, 2008, 06:33:34 pm
Well, as an NWU grad (click on the pic below my screen name) I certainly do hope he does indeed improve the program.   ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: formersliaccommish on October 07, 2008, 03:51:22 pm
This is in response to Hopefan's September 19 post regarding the new softball coach at Maryville. it's a little late but it needs to be said. She may be "bright, enthusiastic, have Division I experience, and be better looking than the previous coach" but she will be hard-pressed to come close to matching his accomplishments at Maryville. I wish her well.

In nine seasons, Coach Kennedy was 220-148 (.597) overall, always playing the best competition in he Midwest, and 85-28 (.752) in the SLIAC. He won three conference championships, finished second four times, third once, and fourth once. In his last five seasons he finished first, first, second, second, and first. His teams were always in the upper echelon in academics in NCAA Division III and one year they were first in the nation. He was the major force in developing the best softball field in the SLIAC. His dismissal was met by an outpouring of protests from current and former players and their parents.

I point all of this out because the same people who made the decision to move Maryville to Division II made the decision to dismiss him. Deciding which is the worst of those two decisions isn't easy!


Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 07, 2008, 04:28:23 pm
That is not why Maryville is leaving for D2. Women's basketball is the only sport in which they have excelled/dominated in the conference -- and that has been the past 4-5 years. It has not been that way forever. I believe the move to D2 is about an overall institutional plan for what the Maryville trustees and administration want the school to be.

Given the post by formersliaccomish, I guess I  have to ammend my statement above. From what he says, Maryville has certainly excelled, if not dominated, in women's softball in recent years. Since I follow primarily Webster and have not paid close attention to historical softball results, I thank the commish for his post.

I hope the end of this academic year will bring an end to the extensive discussion about Maryville's move to D2. It's their school and they can do what they want.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on October 07, 2008, 07:39:55 pm
ahhh to be a fly on the wall....  I too had no idea that the Maryville Coach had such a successful record and was "dismissed" .  Wonder what part of the story we're missing?  My limited impression of him was that he was an avid supporter of the basketball program and the school- seemingly at every home game....  I had attended only one SB game over at MU

Of course my comments regarding the new coach were made only relative to my conversation with her - I had no knowledge of the prior coach's outstanding performance....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on October 07, 2008, 08:39:33 pm
Hey Coach. Niether choice makes much since. This probably will not be the last of the coaching fall out. Curious decision though, if your moving up a level wouldn't you want to keep one of your strongest programs rolling.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: DukeDevil on October 13, 2008, 01:34:55 pm
I heard a rumor that Webster's coach is leaving? Can anyone confirm or deny this?  If this is the case, the timing could not be worse with practice right around the corner. Might be another long year for the Gorlocks.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 13, 2008, 07:24:33 pm
It's not a rumor. It's a fact.

http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2008/10/8/CALLAHANRESIGNS10808.aspx

Here's info on the interim coach:

http://www.websterathletics.com/staff.aspx?tab=staffdirectory
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on October 14, 2008, 09:46:50 am
Can not blame the young lady. Not the best timing, but the recruits she brought in are already on campus and would assume ready to go tomorrow. Great oppurtunity for the young man who is assuming the dread intirem position.

I still look for the WU women to be much improved over last year.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on October 14, 2008, 04:18:12 pm
Practice can officially start tomorrow. WOOOOOHOOOOO

Go Fontbonne.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: SLIAC LEGEND on October 16, 2008, 07:22:25 pm
This is actually a terrible move by Callahan career-wise.  SEMO is under serious NCAA sanctions for numerous violations in basketball, men's and women's. They had 2 seasons and NCAA appearances stripped, and the AD was just fired.  A new AD will clean house and hire his own people.  The timing is bad, but that is the name of the college game-what's good for me.

Plus, how is she going to recruit at D-I, when she couldn't at D-III?  A 17-33 record is hardly something to hang your hat on, especially in the SLIAC, probably the 2nd worst conference in America in bball.  Webster has the tools to dominate the SLIAC, so why isn't it being done?  They need a coach with college experience who has coached winners, not a GA who will guide a group of average high school players to 6 wins.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 16, 2008, 09:31:31 pm
I think the jury was still out on whether or not coach Callahan could make Webster into a winner. In her first year she took over a program with virtually no players and virtually no time to recruit. She put together a team and won six games. In part a testament to her as a coach, in part a testament to the weakness of the conference.

Last year she had more players of a modestly higher caliber and won 11 games. I think there were some situations last year in which she used questionable judgment. Still the overall record was better. I think this was going to be a pivotal year for her as a coach. Alas, we will never know how it would have turned out.

I heard from someone that she had a goal to become a Division 1 head coach, and that was what tipped the scale in favor of the SEMO job. From what SLIAC LEGEND says, she is taking a huge risk. As for what Webster needs in a future coach, I would add that it should be someone committed to coaching at the D3 level.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: SLIAC LEGEND on October 17, 2008, 10:35:35 am
I have watched 15-20 games over the last 2 years, and I saw nothing that made me think that Webster would be anything more than a .500 team.  The SLIAC is so bad, I think I could of grabbed 5 girls out of the stands that could win a few games.  I agree on questionable judgement-I saw nothing that showed X's and O's knowledge or adjustments to what other teams were doing.  The gameplan never changed.  3 solid wins vs NAIA opponents, but the D3 wins were over cupcakes.  I agree, it was a very pivotal year, and I felt that the grim reaper was in the stands behind the bench. 

Modestly higher?  Not one girl on Webster's team would of been in Maryville's (the top team in the SLIAC) top 10. That's my point. You need impact players, and WU had a number of role players.  This will not get over the hump.  They need a revamped roster and now!

Kudos on wanting to be a D-I head coach. That is a long road that requires many connections and hard work.  I wish her the best! 

Agreed Y Jack.  WU needs someone who will stick around, who knows how to recruit, and is committed to building a sustaining program.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 17, 2008, 11:33:30 am
I probably saw about the same number of games the past 2 years -- and had seen almost all the home games and some away game the previous four seasons. Yes, Webster's talent last year was not of high caliber and I agree that any of the player(s) would have had a tough time making Maryville's top 10. And if the players that have come in this year aren't better than the players on last years team, then even being a .500 team will be tough. That's why I said that this year (not last year) would have been a pivotal year for coach Callahan. One year to recruit is probably not enough to make a substantial difference. Sometimes you have to start recruiting underclassmen to get them interested in your program for when they are ready to apply to colleges as seniors. So the second and subsequent classes are probably a better gauge of whether or not the program is going to make progress. We will know soon how that pans out

My reference to questionable judgment had to do with things other than coaching decisions during a game. I will not elaborate further on that.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on October 17, 2008, 09:21:09 pm
I wouldn't brag to awful much on MU's women's team, either. A good team in a basement conference. MU has never won outside the SLIAC. WU and FU have accomplished some success in the National Tourney. And, I wouldn't say those teams were loaded with that many high caliber recruits. It does seem in women's basketball a good coach can translate into wins.

I thought WU was making strides in the right direction as for as effort. Last years squad did play hard. That has to be contributed to the coach in many situations.

Taking a team from 0 to .500 takes more then two years.

Being an asst. at SEMO will not directly put you in a position for a DI job. But, may lead to an asst. position at a better program. Then to the next step. Not many women's coaches are making the jump from DIII to DI. And, definately not from the SLIAC.

If being a DI coach is her goal then I think this was a step in the right direction. She will have to prove she can recruit with the luxury of scholarships. Only time will tell.

But after reading Legend's comments it would appear this is a good thing for the WU program. One thing I do know. Every good coach was young once.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on October 19, 2008, 03:00:06 pm
Webster women's roster is posted now. There are 12 total with 3 returning - Julie McGirl, Katy Meyer and Erin Chesnik. Go to link:

http://www.websterathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=wbball&roster=35&
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 19, 2008, 04:19:48 pm
furbug is on the ball even when he's on the road. Of the nine newcomers seven are freshmen. One is a sophomore whose last school is listed as Parkway West. So did she tranfer from another school where she didn't play hoops last year, or was she at Webster last year but not on the team? Then a junior transfer from McKendree who was not on their roster the past two seasons. McKendree was 21-10 in '06-'07 and 24-8 in '08-'09, and they beat Wash U last year. So maybe this is someone who couldn't play for a good NAIA team but can play for a rebuilding D3 team. One 5-11 player among the newcomers, otherwise average to below average height.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on October 19, 2008, 04:24:06 pm
What happen to the freshman point guard that Webster had last year?  She could have been a solid player.  And if I can remember right they had a few other freshman other than Meyer? 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: SLIAC LEGEND on October 22, 2008, 12:46:43 pm
 I think you need 3 recruiting classes to be judged on your recruiting skills.  This 3rd class for WU does not look to be formidable, but will probably fair ok in the SLIAC.  I see no reason why when MU leaves, that WU shouldn't dominate the conference.  They have everything they need to be successful, but a coaching staff.

The frosh point guard transferred to Meramec Community College, I believe to play softball.  Her mother is now the coach from looking on the site.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on October 22, 2008, 01:08:50 pm
First of all, I want to say good luck to all the teams in the SLIAC this upcoming season. Secondly, I feel that Coach Jensen and Coach Callahan is being thrown under the bus, as they both were good young coaches. In my opinion, I feel that they both will be successful with there new jobs, and they both would have developed a strong foundation for women's baskebtall if they had stay at their respected schools.
I just know the hours that are spent with practice, recruiting, watching film and with other preparations, so I know that they were on the right track. This season will be tough, as Maryville will try to leave the conference without being beat, and every school in the conference will want to be the school that beats them.
Lastly, the SLIAC gets a bad rep, which I feel is too harsh. I see big things from the conference this year. So, stay tuned.

Good Luck Shooter (Coach Jensen) and Coach Callahan

Dubb
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on October 31, 2008, 11:28:30 am
How are the scrimmages going for the women's side of the SLIAC?  I hear Blackburn scrimmaged U of I Springfield yesterday?  Any word on that?  Also, heard that MacMurray scrimmaged Lincoln Community College.  Sounds like they will be better, not much depth but talent wise has improved.  Would love to hear about how the other teams are doing.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 31, 2008, 02:28:37 pm
I don't have any specifics, but I have heard that the Webster coach (the new actiing head coach) and the old and new players are feeling very positive.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on November 03, 2008, 10:29:54 pm
Read for yourselves about the Lady Gorloks and what coach Olufson thinks at:

http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2008/11/3/WOMENSBASKETBALLSEASONPREVIEW200809.aspx

 :o  ::)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: SLIAC LEGEND on November 05, 2008, 02:58:35 pm
Very ho hum and typical coach speak. They were picked to finish 7th.  They don't look to have many athletes, and who will score besides their best returner?

  I saw Blackburn play U of I Springfield and they did ok for this early. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 05, 2008, 05:05:33 pm
Very ho hum and typical coach speak. They were picked to finish 7th.  They don't look to have many athletes, and who will score besides their best returner?

  I saw Blackburn play U of I Springfield and they did ok for this early. 

Lots of unknowns about this Webster team. But I don't know on what basis you say "they don't look to have many athletes". As to who will score, we'll find out soon enough.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on November 05, 2008, 06:06:43 pm
At this point there are alot of unknowns around the conference.  I think the only one we know of sure is Maryville.  We have not heard alot about Fontbonne.  I wonder how their recruiting went.  I can see Blackburn giving Maryville a good game later in the year but for right now there is no reason to believe anyone will be them again this year.

I would also look for a good year from Greenville.  They had a pretty good recruiting class.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 07, 2008, 04:29:40 pm
Maryville obviously remains the favorite. Fontbonne lost a great deal of scoring, but there are still 4 returning players that can put up some points. My niece is so buried in school she hasn't been able to give me a scouting report on the new players.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on November 15, 2008, 08:24:41 pm
Exciting game to watch today - WU lost to Wisconsin-Platteville 84-95. I think the Lady Gorloks will be a force in the conference once again. Yjak and furbug were there. Read about it at:

http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2008/11/15/WBB_1115081042.aspx
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 15, 2008, 09:47:07 pm
Very ho hum and typical coach speak. They were picked to finish 7th.  They don't look to have many athletes, and who will score besides their best returner?

Webster scored 84 points. Several players with solid shooting skills. Some pure basketball players on the team. The upside potential for this team is excellent, especially given that they started three freshmen and a sophomore. Great job by the coach in the first game of his head coaching career.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 19, 2008, 02:38:57 pm
Got to see this years version of the Lady Griffins at "Late Nite".
Freshmen pt. guard Kaitlin Bramble (Rolla) is a heck of a player. Her and Fr. Kendra Schili (Perryville) got a late start due to soccer. But will really contribute. Jdoug's Lauren is nursing a sore ankle. Problem is FU's bigs have been hit by the injury bug. This will really hurt them this weekend.

Good Stuff on Webster.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: gottaluvhoops on November 20, 2008, 11:09:27 am
Sorry I don't follow this board much but I was just trying to get some information on Fontbonne.  Expanding my horizons :) .  I am going to try and head down from Southern MN to catch the Wartburg Tournament.  Should be two fun games on Saturday.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 20, 2008, 02:36:21 pm
fcnews is the go to guy for info on Fontbonne, but he mostly posts on the men's board. You might go there and post a request for him to give you some info. However the post right above yours is about Fontbonne.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 20, 2008, 05:39:33 pm
My niece won't be playing for Fontbonne this weekend. She has not been cleared to play because of the ankle.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 22, 2008, 12:18:39 pm
In spite of giving up 95 and 97 points in their first two games, I think there is reason to be optimistic about the Lady Gorloks. They have averaged scoring 75 points in the two games so far. The previous two years it was exciting if they could put more than 60 points on the board. The game they lost yesterday was to a #5 ranked NAIA team that was something like 24-6 last year. In the first game they started three freshmen a sophomore and a senior. In the second game they started three freshmen and two sophomores. Looking at the roster and the performance in two games it is conceivable that they could be starting five freshmen later in the season, or maybe four freshmen and one upperclassman, either a sophomore or the lone senior. There are no juniors on the team.

Today's game and Tuesday's game will be interesting as I thnk they are against weaker competition than the first two games. Of particular interest will be how Webster plays defense and if they can keep weaker teams from scoring.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 22, 2008, 06:53:35 pm
Webster and Coach O get their first win today 59-56 over Marian University from Fond du Lac, WI. Congratulations!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 23, 2008, 09:21:32 pm
Fontbonne has 2 losses to start the year.

Here's hoping they get healthy and come back strong beginning in December.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 23, 2008, 10:13:11 pm
Does Fontbonne have injuries/health problems other than Lauren's ankle?

As for the two losses, UW-Oshkosh plays in the WIAC which is one of the stronger D3 women's conferences, although Oshkosh had a losing season last year. Benedictine was 13-13 last year in a conference that is not as strong as the WIAC, but stronger than the SLIAC.

From the schedule it looks like Fontbonne has games against some other pretty strong non-conference teams -- Illinois Wesleyan ranked #10 pre-season and just got through knocking of #3 DePauw and #6 Wash U, Illinois College, Millikin the 2005 D3 champs, Wash U, and Hawaii Pacific which I know nothing about. I wouldn't expect Fontbonne to come out of that with more than one or two wins, if any
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 24, 2008, 10:18:56 am
Your so right. FU faces Murders Row this year before entering the SLIAC. Both of FU's new bigs are down with injuries. Kirby, Collier and Bramble played well this weekend, from what I heard. Without the size in the paint, this could be a tough way to go for awhile.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 24, 2008, 06:28:43 pm
Fontbonne has consistently played a very tough out of conference schedule. I like playing better competition, but not when your team is totally outclassed. If the other team is too tough you can't even run your normal sets. Of course I'm hoping Fontbonne isn't in way over their heads this year.

My niece said she would have played this weekend if they were conference games.  If I were the coach I would pick out they best 7-8 kids and go with them, regardless of their size or lack of.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 24, 2008, 09:51:19 pm
Having done a little research on FU's five remaining non-conference opponents I honestly think the only game they have a shot at winning is against Illinois College. Illinois Wesleyan will  move up form its #10 ranking. Millikin, after winning the national championship in 2005 has gone 15-10, 20-5, and 20-5 in a pretty good CCIW. Wash U is Wash U and practically never has even the best team in the SLIAC beaten them. Hawaii Pacific is a D2 team. That leaves Illinios College which was 11-11 last season ad plays in a confernece that I guess is a little better than the SLAIC. Why they only played 22 games last year I have no idea.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on November 24, 2008, 10:29:41 pm
Millikin has a very young team.  I would think if Fontbonne played well they would have a shot this year.  Even though this is a tough schedule, I think it will prepare them for the SLIAC. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 24, 2008, 11:11:24 pm
I guess you could just pad your schedule with easy wins, but that doesn't improve your team.

Maybe the answer lies somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 25, 2008, 12:42:12 am
Millikin has a very young team.  I would think if Fontbonne played well they would have a shot this year.  Even though this is a tough schedule, I think it will prepare them for the SLIAC. 

I knew that first team All-American Lindsay Ippel graduated. I guess just going by the previous year's record isn't enough to base a conclusion on. I hope you are right HCAC and that Fontbonne can hold its own against Millikin, maybe even come away with a W.

And yes, playing stiff competition is always good preperation, but I agree with jdoug that it helps to enter conference play with the confidence that comes from getting at least a couple of wins.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 25, 2008, 12:15:29 pm
There was a mistake on the schedule of FU's womens team. FU will be playing LCC tonite at 5 pm. A good chance for one of those W's you guys are talking about.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 25, 2008, 02:31:26 pm
Sounds like a winner to me. Does this game replace one of the other non-conference games, or is it in addition to those?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 25, 2008, 02:54:50 pm
Not sure on this one.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 25, 2008, 05:17:37 pm
Lauren won't be playing tonight. She is a little bummed. Hopefully her trip back to Texas for Thanksgiving can get her healed up for play in December.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 25, 2008, 10:31:11 pm
Fu scores 98 in a blowout win. Griffins have some good young players. But no one in the paint.

Jdoug - Lauren was doing a little shooting around. She said she will practice for the first time tommorrow before heading home.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 25, 2008, 11:15:58 pm
fc, that game is not listed on the SLIAC website, although the FU men's game is.

Webster wins a close one in OT over Rose-Hulman 72-68. Not the prettiest of games. Too many entry passes into the low post by Webster that never should have been attempted and resulted in turnovers. Surprising to me that the box score shows Rose-Hulman with two more turnovers (25) than Webster (23). Three pointers by Webster and poor free throw shooting by RHIT were the difference - Webster with 9 threes (out of 22) to RHIT's one (out of 4) and RHIT hit only 15 of 33 free throws while Webster hit 15 of 20. Some games are like that. A win is a win.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 25, 2008, 11:58:12 pm
The women had planned a second game in Hawaii. That fell through. Since LCC men were coming down anyway, they picked this game up late.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on November 26, 2008, 07:05:41 pm
Thanks for the update fc. I'll grill Lauren tomorrow on her health status.

Fontbonne lost all of there post players to graduation. And from what I hear, there are no real replacements for this season.  Like I said earlier... pick 7-8 kids, push the ball and play tough D.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on November 27, 2008, 03:34:36 am
Y_jak, Illinois College only played 22 games last year because that's all the Midwest Conference allows. Some teams end up playing 25 after postseason play, but since IC didn't make the MWC tourney, they only had 22.

You're right about the MWC being better than the SLIAC. I dare say that Monmouth, who will be lucky to be in the top 4 of the MWC, would have little trouble finishing in 2nd place of the SLIAC. Eureka did well to stay within 7 points of them last week. If Fontbonne can beat IC, that would be a very nice win going into conference play. I'm more interested to see how the FU/Blackburn game pans out on Dec. 3. Blackburn recently beat Grinnell (another MWC team).
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 27, 2008, 09:44:37 am
Thanks for that info e_sid. For what it's worth, and we all know these historical comparisons may not mean much, Grinnell was 9-14 (7-9 in their conference) last year. Their total number of games is 23 (not the allowed 22 ???) and they did not make the 4 team MWC conference tournament. Blackburn was 11-15 and came in 4th in the SLIAC last season with a 9-7 conference record. The score of this year's Blackburn win over Grinnell was 68-55. I guess all this really says is that this year a top four SLIAC team from last year is better than a bottom 4 (Grinnell finished 4th from the bottom) MWC team from last year.

I'm hoping this also means that Blackburn is improved from last year. I know Webster is. We've heard that FU lost its post players and doesn't have anyone to replace them, so they will likely be playing a different kind of offense. As for the rest of the conference, we'll have to wait and see. e_sid, what can you tell us about Eureka?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on November 29, 2008, 01:53:57 am
Y Jak, good research. The limit for the MWC might be 23 then. I know it's less than the 25 allowed by the NCAA. Come to think of it, 23 does sound correct. Whatever it is, it's the same for men's too.

Anyway, This is certainly a rebuilding year for the Red Devils.  So much so that in the season opener, all 5 EC starters were starting their first ever game for Eureka.  There is some talent, but it is very inexperienced.  I'm expecting to see some wild ups and downs as we go along here.

Monmouth has had its way with EC over the last 5 years or so even when Eureka had experienced teams, so even though Eureka lost to Monmouth by 7 to begin the season, I was impressed that the game was tied with a minute to go. Then, Monmouth goes on and blows out Augie by almost 30, but Eureka lost to Concordia Chicago Wednesday by 15.

Kim Downs is probably the best all-around player on the team this year, even though she might not even be one of our top 5 scorers.  There are several skilled post players that will give some teams fits that are undersized.  The sticking point will be at guard since our best guards at getting the ball into the post are not the greatest shooters and the best shooters are not the greatest at getting the ball into the post.

EC was picked 8th in the preseason and that's probably where they will start the year. I know the coaches and players have greater expectations, but I am choosing to measure success this year by how much improvement I see before the end of the season.  Hopefully by the end of the year, they will be better than the 8th best team.  That won't help much in the standings this year, but it will for the coming years if they stick together.  Without having seen any other teams in the SLIAC, I would guess EC has the personnel to stay competitive with most of them.  I wouldn't be a bit surprised if EC knocks off a first division opponent, but it will probably come on the 2nd time through the league in Feb.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on November 29, 2008, 08:34:24 am
Here is what I know.  Even though Blackburn lost Polston (spelling?) they brought in some quality players.  Jasmine Robinson from Lincolnland CC is a point guard that create off the dribble as well hit a three if needed.  Ariel Hawkey from T Town and Lakeland CC is a tremendous guard and I would look for her to put up some big points later in the year.  I know nothing about Gregory, a transfer from Alabama but she looks to be a strong guard.  Blackburn with Shipley will be much improved.

The other team that I know of is MacMurray.  Mac brought in Krystal Gundy, lakeland cc, Taylor Vallomer, Johnwood cc, and Megan Nutter, Danville cc.  Vallomer was at Mac her freshman year and was newcomer of the year.  Krystal Gundy is a 3/4 player that can shoot the 3 and score in the block.  Nutter is a good all around player.  You will not see terrific numbers in the box score but does all the little things.  These three will help Abby Lowe and I imagine will surprise some conference teams.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 29, 2008, 10:15:54 am
Thanks e_sid and HCAC. Good info. Sounds like Webster is not the only team with a lot of young and/or new players. Webster's youth showed itself more in the 72-68 OT win over Rose-Hulman than it did in the opening game loss to UW-Platville. In the opening game one of the freshmen guards scored 27 points. In the 3 games since she's scored a total of 16. The other freshman guard has been a bit more consistent, scoring in double figures in three of the 4 games, but her shooting percentage dropped considerably after the first game. Still the upside potential for Webster is excellent so it will be interesting to see how the season unfolds.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 01, 2008, 05:59:08 pm
The good home cooking did not seem to help my niece's ankle. She was still limping this past weekend and said after Sunday's practice she still can't run without pain. I hate she is having issues in her senior year. Hopefully she will be back at 100% soon. Or at least 80.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 01, 2008, 08:10:09 pm
Definitely a bummer when that happens your senior year.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on December 02, 2008, 02:51:54 am
Major props to Principia's Christina Speer for being named an ESPN The Magazine Academic All-American for volleyball.  For those unfamiliar with this process, there are only 2 divisions for all the student-athletes in the country: the university and college divisions.  Division III gets lumped into the "college" division, which includes many Division II and NAIA scholarship schools. From there, the country is divided into 8 districts. Anyone on the 1st team all-district team is then moved on to the running for all-american. This is the premiere academic all-american process in the country and is voted on by SIDs and other members of CoSIDA.

It is a great accomplish just to be placed on the 3rd team All-District in this procress. Speer not only was 1st team in the dictrict, she made the 1st Team for the ENTIRE COUNTRY. She was one of only 6 players in the college division on the 1st team.

I see from the official release she carries a 3.97 as a Math, Computer Science and Spanish major. As a former math major myself, I know exactly how hard you have to work just to keep a 3.70 and have no idea how she could have that high of a GPA and still have other majors AND play 2 sports at an all-conference and Player of the Year level.

It's this kind of story - Academic All-American, 2-sport all-conference athlete with a 3.97 GPA in 3 majors that makes Division III so great.  It's the special athletes that come along every so often that do things that you swear it would take 2 or 3 normal humans to accomplish.

Unfortunately due to a quirk in the scheduling, I never actually got to see Christina play volleyball in a match, but I can imagine by the statistics she put up and how she plays basketball, it was an impressive display.

Congrats, Ms. Speer on this tremendous honor. You are a fantastic representative for your school and the conference.  All fans of the SLIAC and its teams are priviledged to be able to watch you play.  8)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 03, 2008, 10:21:57 am
Very nice tribute to Christina Speer, E_sid. I have seen her play volleyball a number of times the past four years. She is outstanding in all phases of the game. Not only can she elevate and make ferocious kills, she serves well, receives serve well, passes well, makes excellent digs, and I might say she can set well also, however she was almost always the recipient of a set.

I had no idea how that All-AMerican process worked, so thanks also for the explanation. And congratulations to Christina.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 03, 2008, 05:12:37 pm
Lauren will not be playing tonight. She had her ankle re-evaluated yesterday and was told to stay the course. Try to keep off it and continue treatments. She is chomping at the bit to play. I hate this is a conference game.

Good luck to the rest of the team tonight vs Blackburn.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 03, 2008, 09:17:11 pm
Fontbonne wins first conference game of the season vs Blackburn  93-85. It would appear defense was not either team's high priority. But glad to see Fontbonne get the win.

Elsewhere Westminster pulls out a close win over Webster 77-74 and Greenville beats Eureka 47-40.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 03, 2008, 11:34:43 pm
jdoug, I was at the FU-BC game. You hit the nail on the head -- zero defense. This was wide open, old fashioned, up and down, street basketball with lots of turnovers. Both teams have plenty of speed and quickness and decent athleticism. It will be interesting to see how each team fares against a team that decides to take defense seriously. An entertaining game to watch. I expect these two teams each has a good shot at being in the top four in conference.

And Lauren did not look happy sitting on the end of the bench.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on December 04, 2008, 04:24:30 am
Greenville slipped past Eureka tonight 47-40. VERY conservative game plan from both camps in this one.  Both teams will improve greatly as the season moves on. Lots on new faces added to this long time rivalry. Greenville has a long way to go to get into the top 4, but they just might get there. Personally, I would put them behind the likes of Westminster, Webster and Principia at this point. But again, they can and perhaps will prove me wrong. Coach Mulholland knows his stuff and should not be underestimated.

Horrendous foul trouble for EC tonight was the undoing. Eureka needs to play a tad smarter and not pick up easy over the back calls. Both teams had several players sitting out with fouls, but Greenville is a deeper team and that helped them pull this one out.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 04, 2008, 06:00:42 pm
Thanks for the info jack. You'd think since both teams have some athletes one team could play a little D. Sometimes a game has it's own flow and neither team decides to go against it.

Fontbonne sure the heck should be playing for the top 4 in the conference.

As for Lauren.... she has never been one to take sitting on the bench well. Hopefully she can play soon.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 08, 2008, 09:45:46 pm
Fontbonne loses a tough one 85-84 to Rust. Webster defeated Rust the day before. Not sure what that means if anything.

Niece is hoping to get cleared to play this week. Maybe even tomorrow.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 08, 2008, 10:45:12 pm
jdoug, I saw the last 12 minutes of the game. Here's how it went down at the end. It was 83-83 and Fontbonne was inbounding the ball with about 19 seconds left after just having called a time out. Amber Karnes received the inbounds pass behind the mid-court line, sized up the situation, drove the lane missed a layup but got fouled. She made the first free throw, missed the second and Rust got the rebound with about 10 seconds left. For some reason I don't remember if Rust called a time out or not, but I think they did. Anyway Fontbonne left a Rust player open under the basket, they got a pass to her and she made a basket just before the buzzer sounded.

Every game is different. I wouldn't make an predictions about the outcome of a Fontbonne-Webster game based on what I saw yesterday and today.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 08, 2008, 11:10:43 pm
Tough way to lose. At least it wasn't a conference game. Thanks jack
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 09, 2008, 05:30:59 pm
Talked(text) to Lauren this afternoon. Will not play again tonight. She is thinking she will this weekend.


Let's go Fontbonne.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 09, 2008, 09:00:11 pm
Just saw the score on the SLIAC website -- Eureka 69 Fontbonne 52.

http://www.sliac.org/womens3/wbasketball/. Sure surprises me.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 10, 2008, 08:11:47 pm
Ouch, that one hurts.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 10, 2008, 11:09:54 pm
Figure this out. Webster scores 18 points in the first half against Robert Morris-Springfield and trails by 10 at halftime. In the second half Webster scores 50 points and wins by 9 -- 68-59. A rather remarkable scoring turn around. A great game by Julie McGirl -- 21 pts, 11 rebs. And Webster is the only SLIAC team to defeat Robert Morris so far this season. MacMurray, Eureka, and Greenville all lost. Both Greenville and Webster have second games against Robert Morris.

Sat near the parents of Robert Morris' #23, Lindsey Rogers. Very nice people.

Next up Knox on Saturday. Knox has won a total of 19 games in the past six seasons with a high of 5 wins in 2002-2003. They are 1-3 so far this year.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on December 10, 2008, 11:31:30 pm
The Lady Gorloks, at 5-3, are the only one of the 9 SLIAC conference teams with a winning record - total games.  :o
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 11, 2008, 10:10:48 am
I just noticed that Fontbonne has a brutal weekend schedule: Friday 7 pm at Illinois College, Saturday 1 pm at Wash U, Sunday 3 pm at Millikin. How did that happen?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 11, 2008, 04:57:45 pm
Fontbonne does have a ridiculous weekend ahead.

Just found out my niece will not be back until January. Ankle is still not right. Let's hope she comes back firing in 2009.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 11, 2008, 05:13:54 pm
About the only saving grace in Fontbonnes' schedule this weekend is that even though the Wash U game is at Wash U there is no travel involved.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on December 12, 2008, 01:36:48 am
Impressive win for Webster over Robert Morris-Springfield. I had the opportunity to watch Robert Morris play both Eureka and Greenville the weekend before and the Eagles are a fun team to watch.  Both EC and GC had trouble matching up from an athleticism standpoint, though Greenville did a much better job of that.  Still, the Panthers fell by 18 points in that game. It was interesting to see them come back to beat Principia Tuesday to move to 2-0 in SLIAC play.

Anyway, it looks like WU and Westminster have made some strides this season.

As for the Fontbonne/Eureka game...it's was just one of those nights. As I said earlier, Eureka has enough talent to beat most of the teams in this conference. Some nights, it's not going to look like it though. Last year, I had a fairly good idea what I was going to see on a game-by-game basis from EC, but I have no clue what to expect anymore.

Eureka completely dominated Fontbonne for the last 10 minutes of the 1st half and it put the Griffins in too deep of a hole.  I give credit to Fontbonne for not giving up. It didn't look like they had much of a shot, but they did get within 3 points in the 2nd half. Perhaps the close loss the night before took something out of them because it was clearly an off night given their 2-25 three-point shooting.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 13, 2008, 06:31:55 pm
Webster wins a nail-biter over Knox 77-70. After winning only 19 games the previous six seasons, and 10 the past four seasons, Knox has a new head coach. I expect they will be winning more games in the coming years. They play a well disciplined zone press on the inbounds which even if it doesn't result in a turnover takes ample time off the shot clock.

Webster played zone most of the first half and was getting burned by 3-pointers. Knox hit 9 of 12 in the first 15 minutes of the game and scored 39 points in that time. Webster played man-to-man the final 25 minutes of the game and Knox only scored 31 points and was 0-5 on 3 pointers. Great decision by the coach to change defenses. For the SLIAC teams (Mac, Eureka, and Prin) that play Knox in the next three weeks, guard #13 and #11 carefully on the perimeter.

The game might not have been as close if Webster had made more of its layups. Oh well, there are games like that.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 15, 2008, 09:41:12 pm
A very tough weekend for Fontbonne over the weekend, dropping all 3 games. Looks like they were reasonably in 2 of the 3, but utterly drubbed by Wash U.

I'm thinking Fontbonne will really pick it up starting in January.  :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 29, 2008, 05:46:45 pm
I hope everyone had a great Christmas and holiday season. Fontbonne drops a game to a D2 team in Hawaii. On the bright side my niece will be playing once they get back to the cold weather. It was good to see Lauren over her short trip to Dallas walking without a limp. Although it sounds like Fontbonne will be without their second leading scorer, for perhaps the rest of the season. Yuck.

Go FONTBONNE.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on December 29, 2008, 07:37:18 pm
"Although it sounds like Fontbonne will be without their second leading scorer, for perhaps the rest of the season."

jdoug2,
Isn't that Amber Karnes? Is she out of commission?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 29, 2008, 11:38:03 pm
Not that we care all that much, since this is their last year in the conference, but Maryville beat #9 Kean 62-52, although the Maryville website has that game scheduled for tomorrow, with tonight's game to have been against LaVerne
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 29, 2008, 11:49:36 pm
Link to article on Kean website: http://www.keanathletics.com/sports/wbkb/2008-09/news/122908

Final paragraph explains game change: "The game was moved up a day since the Cougars' game against Lake Forest College was postponed due to inclement weather that prevented Lake Forest from arriving at the tournament as scheduled.  The game has been rescheduled for Wednesday, December 31, at 9:30 a.m. (EST)."
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: mytwocents on December 30, 2008, 07:29:43 am
Kean was without Melissa Beyruti a DIII hoops pre-season 1st team All- American selection. Not sure why she did not play. It was not mentioned in the Kean press release.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 30, 2008, 12:02:34 pm
I wasn't sure whether to be surprised or not that Maryville beat Kean given that Maryville is in it's transitional (or is it provisional?) year in it's move from D3 to D2. So we know Maryville probably has a few players of higher caliber than if they were remaining in D3. And Maryville did lose by only 10 eariler in the season to current #2 Illinois Wesleyan, a team that trounced them by more than 30 points in the first round of the NCAA tournament last season.

I'm thinking that if Kean had its All-American Kean probably would have won the game.

Thanks for the info, 2cents.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on December 30, 2008, 06:06:32 pm
Yes, Amber is the one in question. She's not injured... weird stuff. About all I will say about it. My niece is not exactly pleased.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: JAdaPrince on December 30, 2008, 07:49:48 pm
It looks like Blackburn picked up a scoring guard over break ... #42 averaged 17 points in her two games in a Beaver uniform
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 30, 2008, 11:19:30 pm
I wonder what other conference teams picked up new players for the 2nd semester and how that will affect things.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 04, 2009, 12:35:08 am
The Webster - Blackburn women's game was just the opposite of the men's game. Blackburn took a close game late and pulled away for 68-60 win. Just as Knox did against Webster three weeks ago, Blackburn was hitting a high percentage of its 3 pointers against the Webster zone. This time the switch to man-to-man couldn't save the Gorloks. Blackburn has some good players and looked poised and confident on their home court. Webster played well, but not well enough. A nice job off the bench by Myrtie Reilly in her first game in a Webster uniform.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 04, 2009, 01:33:10 am
This is going to be a wild season it looks like. Blackburn picked themselves off the mat today with a big win. Fontbonne (who lost handily to Eureka), blitzed Greenville (who beat EC) by scoring 93 points. Westminster continues to win, so congrats to the Jays.

My Red Devils have lost a key player to an ACL injury and have little to replace her with. They actually played very well today against Maryville, trailing by 13 with 13 to go, but the walls caved in from there. My guess would be that Westminster will join the 3 STL teams at the league tourney, but there just isn't enough difference from 2-9 in this conference to get a good feel for it yet.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 04, 2009, 07:59:29 am
This is going to be a wild season it looks like. My guess would be that Westminster will join the 3 STL teams at the league tourney, but there just isn't enough difference from 2-9 in this conference to get a good feel for it yet.

Couldn't agree more, especially about the balance in the conference after Maryville. I'm not ready to hazard a  guess, however, about who will make the conference tournament. For Webster it will take some road wins to make the tournament, and they haven't shown yet that they can win on the road.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on January 04, 2009, 06:08:24 pm
Wow, so all the conference tournament teams will come from MO? I guess MacMurray, Blackburn, Eureka, Principia and Greenville should just forfiet all of their games, because they all are playing for nothing. Any real sports person know that a few games into conference does determine who will make the tournament. Every team in this conference still has a chance to make the tournament, as coaches do make adjustments.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 04, 2009, 06:24:56 pm
Hey coach, don't know if you were referring to my post or that of eureka_sid (or both), but if you read mine carefully I am not conceding the conference tourney spots to the teams in eureka_sid's post, except Maryville. What I saw of your team yesterday, and in December against Fontbonne, suggests to me that you guys have a good shot at being in the tourney again this year. Now, I don't want anyone else to take that as a prediction either.

Also, if you read eureka_sid's post carefully he did say "but there just isn't enough difference from 2-9 in this conference to get a good feel for it yet."

So I don't think either of us is implying a forgone conclusion. I agree with your final statement that every team in the ocnference still has a chance to make the tournament, and I'm looking forward to the games that precede the tournament.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on January 04, 2009, 06:37:12 pm
Ok, that makes sense. I just have so much respect for all of the teams, coaches and players in this conference, so I am not gonna say that anyone is going to make the tournament until the fat lady sings. I have seen stranger things. I know that Coach Hearns is going to bring a well prepared team to Blackburn on Wednesday. Many long nights trying to prepare, as the Red Devils are always well coached.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 04, 2009, 09:08:00 pm
Keep up the good work. It's nice to see the conference so competitive and so many teams having a shot at the tournamnet. Of course, I do have a rooting interest in one team in particular, so I 'm not totally non-partisan.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 05, 2009, 05:23:14 pm
Good to see so many posts after the holidays. I agree with most everyone else, other than Maryville it looks pretty wide open. Awesome to see Fontbonne hang so many points on the board. And very happy to have my niece back on the floor. Now once she gets that shot back....

And I'll be up there for the last few Saturday home games starting jan 17.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 05, 2009, 11:36:17 pm
Eureka lost a close one to Knox tonight 76-71. This is probably a game EC would have won with a healthy Greger.  Eureka got into huge foul trouble in the 1st half and went into the break up 8 (38-30) went it could have been 20.

Knox came out rejuvenated inthe 2nd half (this was their 1st game back from semester break, so it wasn't surprising to see them start slow), and took the lead with 12:40 to go.  EC fell behind by 9, but came back to get within 1 with a minute left.

Knox hit their free throws and Eureka had a key turnover down 3 with 30 seconds to play. Eureka is averaging over 50 free throw attempts combined in games played this season and tonight was no different. Knox shot 32 and EC 23. Knox didn't have an answer for Eureka's post play, but both Knight and Byard (who hit 15-for-21 from the floor) were in foul trouble.

Eureka played much better against the press tonight. EC did a nice job of attacking, which led to the higher score than usual. The Red Devils are just 1-9, but they should be able to win some games if the keep improving and tighten up a tad defensively.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on January 06, 2009, 05:26:52 pm
I have always loved the if situations.  It looks Knight shot and score more than usual.  She must of picked up the slack for Greger.  I am sure Knox still wins with Greger playings.  Lets see how Eureka does on conf play.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 08, 2009, 12:28:31 am
Webster beats Fontbonne 82-76 in OT. Not a very good game by either team, really, in spite of the number of points scored. Started out quite slow, as if all the players had just rolled out of bed and were trying to wake up. Nor was it a good game by the officials, although it was what I'd call equal opportunity poor officiating in that I don't think either team got more benefit.

jdoug, I think Lauren is starting to get back into a groove. She didn't play alot and looked rusty her first couple of times on the floor, but late in the game she played well.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 08, 2009, 12:53:24 pm
Prediction - Webster will quickly become next year's conference leader with the departure of Maryville  -  they have a very good frosh class, with quickness size and athleticism  -  if this year's recruiting class can come in with a pure perimeter shooter and perhaps one athletic rebounder, they will have ALL the components including great depth....   Really had fun watching them last night, and 9 of 12 players were FROSH
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on January 09, 2009, 01:43:04 am
All I can say about this comment is....WOW!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 09, 2009, 12:59:02 pm
Hey coach. hopefan hasn't seen your team play, and really doesn't follow the women's teams very closely, so he hasn't seen many of the others, either. In fact, I expect other than that WU/FU game the Eureka/ Maryville game is the only other time he's seen all or most of two SLIAC women's teams playing against one another. But he has fun making these kinds of statements and if it stirs up conversation on the board, all the better. So I like it when he crosses over to the women's side and helps start a conversation, which there is too little of.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2009, 01:45:39 pm
Hrrrummph...  While I have not seen much ladies hoops this year, I saw everyone last year, and I make my staement more in a comparative mode to the talent level last year than in any comparison to this year's teams. 

1) I haven't seen any player in the SLIAC like Myrtie Reilly - she's 6'3", she knows how to play with a background at St Joe's, and she has outstanding shooting form.   If she lifts a little, and plays more aggreesive,and smarter defense - she will be a dominant force. 

2) Point Guard Courtney Brown - quick, aggressive - on the out of control side, but gets alot accomplished, and could be coached to tone it down

3) Small forward Ayrica Locket - offensive minded, aggressive around the basket, jumps

add to that the leadership of to be senior Julie McGirl, a pretty decent soph forward in Katie Meyer, and several other Freshman who all showed talent, and it's a pretty good nucleus  -   to me, a slightly better talent level than I've been watching the last several years from all but Maryville.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 09, 2009, 01:51:40 pm
Blackburn beat Eureka 64-49 Wednesday. BC started the game shooting very well and led 13-0.  Eureka never got closer than 5 the rest of the way, but never fell behind by more than the final deficit of 15. A 10-0 run by Blackburn to close the 1st half really killed the Red Devils' chances I thought.

Shipley hurt EC with 19 points, which is impressive since she only took 11 shots and mostly scored off offensive rebounds. EC did a decent job of keeping the ball out of her hands. Johnson had 15 in the 2nd half for Blackburn and finished with 21. She has a nice outside touch and is a good addition to the Blackburn team.

There was a lot of standing around by both teams in the second half, which made the game a little difficult to watch. It should be noted that BC played the game without Hawkey. From looking at the stats, she is a key player for Blackburn, but they didn't seem to miss her much.

Eureka was led by Byard with 20 and Crum with 15. EC didn't do a very good job of taking control of the paint with their size advantage thanks to too many missed shots in close. Most of them were contested, but by shorter players.

EC plays Principia, who lost to MacMurray, but came back to beat Knox Thursday (despite Knox having beaten Mac by 14 earlier this season).
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on January 09, 2009, 02:18:47 pm
furbug's fearless forecast - fired-up Webster Lady Gorloks win over Maryville Wednesday night. ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 09, 2009, 02:29:00 pm
Very cool. I got hopefan riled up. Hrrrummph yourself, hopefan. :D

I agree with your observations about the Webster players. And in fact, Courtney Brown has already toned it down a bit from earlier in the season.

Still, there are several teams you haven't seen play, and all schools will be bringing in new players next year. So I think it's very bold of you to make the prediction you did in the first post which kicked all this off.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2009, 02:37:53 pm
reminds me of a soap  -  the bold and beautiful...... ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2009, 02:43:28 pm
speaking of bold - let's not overlook furbug's prognostication........  At least I didn't say they could play with No 1!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: gottaluvhoops on January 09, 2009, 03:43:01 pm
Not to burst any bubbles but I have seen a few conferences play and the SLIAC is not a very competitive league (outside of Maryville).  All of the other teams would finish near the bottom of the more competitive conferences in the Midwest (i.e. CCIW, WIAC, MIAC, IIAC, etc.)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2009, 04:01:12 pm
not to burst YOUR bubble, but the knowlegeable fans that post here are well aware of that fact, no matter how stupid we may apear to be... ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: gottaluvhoops on January 09, 2009, 04:03:09 pm
Sorry!  Didn't mean to come across like that at all.  I was just saying in general from games that I have seen over the past two years.  I really enjoy reading your posts and am glad to see so much support for your conference.  Best of luck to all the teams the rest of the way.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2009, 04:34:25 pm
just giving the tease love hooper - Friday afternoon with games coming up over the weekend do that to me.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 09, 2009, 07:32:18 pm
Not to burst any bubbles but I have seen a few conferences play and the SLIAC is not a very competitive league (outside of Maryville).  All of the other teams would finish near the bottom of the more competitive conferences in the Midwest (i.e. CCIW, WIAC, MIAC, IIAC, etc.)

Sorry!  Didn't mean to come across like that at all.  I was just saying in general from games that I have seen over the past two years.  I really enjoy reading your posts and am glad to see so much support for your conference.  Best of luck to all the teams the rest of the way.

No problem. We know where SLIAC women's hoops stands in the conference pecking order. Last year's champ, Maryville, lost in the first round of the NCAAs to IWU by about 37 points. Those two teams have already played each other this year and IWU won by 10.

In 2002 the Webster team made it to the Sweet Sixteen of the NCAAs, losing to eventual champ UWSP by 10. Since then it's been a downhill slide. But we have hope for the future.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on January 10, 2009, 09:50:21 pm
As a coach in this conference I can say that there are quality players and teams in the SLIAC. I wish people who have no idea about the evolution of this conference would stop taking negatives shots. I prepare as hard for Mac as I will for Maryville. There are no easy nights off here. Now I played in the CCIW and I know that the CCIW is a tougher conference, but if any of our schools were in that conference I think that our recruiting would be slightly better.

Lastly, I agree that Maryville is a great program, but we must give praise to Coach Braden at Westminster as they are 4 and 0.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on January 11, 2009, 02:36:39 am
Coach Dubb, I would agree that some schools if they were in CCIW would be able to recruit better but with that said there is no reason that Fontbonne and Webster should not be able to compete against CCIW schools.  St. Louis should be a major recruiting ground.  I know they have had success but they both should be powerhouses in the SLIAC year in and year out.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 11, 2009, 05:54:37 pm
HCAC- Have you seen any girls games in St. Louis. Not what I would call a hot bed. These two schools are still the only teams to have post season success. Look at the age of the league. FU has only had women's basketball for 20 years, compared to tradition of CCIW programs.

Remember John Wooden still has FU to thank for his consecutive wins record. ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on January 11, 2009, 10:25:19 pm
Yes, I have seen some hs basketball in St. Louis.  The basketball is okay but there is some good basketball in the surrounding areas in Missouri and Illinois and St. Louis is a much better draw then Carlinville or Jacksonville.  With a little hard work there is no reason that these St. Louis teams can not be competitive with CCIW schools.  I for one would rather go to school in St. Louis than Decatur but that is just me.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 11, 2009, 10:48:20 pm
Carlinville does have the advantage when money is a factor.

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Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on January 11, 2009, 11:06:19 pm
They do, but you do still have to get them to want to come there.  Webster, and Fontbonne have much better logistics.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 11, 2009, 11:17:53 pm
Not to mention recruiting competition. If your looking at a real quality player, you know your up against a lot of free rides. The top of the crop has SLU or Mizzou. Next level has UMSL and now Maryville at the DII level. Then there is 4 NAIA and about 6 Juco in the area. That's not counting the biggie Wash U. Before you think about $30,000 for the two remaining DIII's (FU and Webster).

That's about 15 coaches after the player that can put your program to the next level. And, it takes more then just one good quality player.

I know the rural areas of IL. has a lot of quality players. And if one wants to stay close to home I would think Carlinville and Jacksonville would be an option
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on January 12, 2009, 01:29:08 am
Players and parents want to go to a place where a great education can be recieved and where the coach will take great care of the student athelete.  Players can be recruited to play anywhere as long as the recruiter exhausts all to get the kid. I think that it is a bunch of crap that people dont think that places like Carlinville and jacksonville can't get players.

If the coaches can't get players to come to them programs, then each school needs to find a new coach. It's not alawys about the facilities.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 12, 2009, 02:52:59 am
Eureka lost to Principia Saturday 69-59. This was a wierd game in that neither team made any kind of a run until right at the end when Prin broke free from a 50-48 deficit for a 60-50 lead with 2 minutes to play.  Prin is better than their record indicated, but I'm afraid that rely too much on 2 players (Speer and Bushong) to meet the coaches' preseason projection of 5th place.

Bushong went off against Eureka for 29 points, which included 13-14 at the line. She played an awesome game all the way around and basically carved up Eureka single-handedly.

It's been fun watching Lisa Byard match up against some of the veteran posts in the league like Wilhelm of Maryville and Speer of Principia.  Byard has played very well against them and has shown great promise for the future.

Eureka has folded under the pressure of close games this year. Games against Monmouth, Mt. Mary, Greenville, Knox and Prin have been there for the taking and EC has lost all of them. But then they beat Fontbonne by 17, who just played Maryville to a 7 point game on the road. As I said earlier on here, wild ups and downs for this team this season.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: JAdaPrince on January 12, 2009, 03:45:09 pm
Webster joins barefoot campaign ... head coach Chris Bunch and Jordan Olufson will be coaching barefoot during Saturday's game as part of a NBCA campaign with Samaritan's Feet. The Webster athletic department will be collecting shoes at the door ...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 12, 2009, 06:30:27 pm
Fontbonne played Maryville very close on Saturday - they had a lead with 6 or 7 minutes left in the game, then fell apart  -   Several Webster players were at the game, they know they don't have to go scared into the game with Maryville - Furbug may have hit on something, the MU-WU game could be very competitive.....

Coach Dubb - we'll have to chat some time - I'm passionate about D3hoops and so are you
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 12, 2009, 06:52:33 pm
And yes, a little love for Fontbonne hanging with Maryville.  Wish I could have been there, but I'll be there this Saturday.
 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on January 12, 2009, 10:27:09 pm
Dubb, Not sure that I ever said that Mac or Blackburn can not get players.  I just think it would be easier to recruit at some of the St. Louis schools and there is no reason they should not be on the top of the SLIAC year in and year out if they recruited like Blackburn.  Sorry I touched a nerve, yikes!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on January 12, 2009, 10:35:39 pm
Maryville has two tough ones this week with Westmin and Blackburn.  Both of those teams can give them a test if they show up, play hard and listen to their coaches.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on January 12, 2009, 11:13:05 pm
Maryville has two tough ones this week with Westmin and Blackburn. 

What schedule are you looking at? Maryville does have two tough games this week, but they are with Webster and Westminster.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on January 13, 2009, 12:47:44 pm
Shooter, you did not touch a nerve, but I hear this crap all the time that you can't recruit to Blackburn or MacMurray. I think that both schools offer more than just basketball, and students do want to attend.

Of course, every student would love to attend a school that has great facilities. With this said, I know that the parents would much rather the school offer their child a great education. So when I go out to recruit, I don't sell the basketball program, I talk about our education and our work program. Then I compare the tution of our school vs. other D-3 schools.

I have not had any problems getting players here, which is why I initially wrote that both school can get players. And if Coach Jensen was still at Mac, they would have had a larger recruiting class. I also feel that Coach Ewing will get more kids into Mac, and that the program will be on a rise.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 13, 2009, 04:30:31 pm
I do think the state of affairs at Mac is a concern for their program. Plus, the miniscule endowment number doesn't help with their packaging. BC has done a good job the past two years of bringing in better players. They are in a similar situation as College of the Ozarks in Branson. I'm very familar with that institution and the "work program" down their draws alot of quality athletes from a three state area.

No one commented on the competition for players in the STL area. I don't know if it wasn't read or just ignored.

FU and WU get the kids that are interested in a particular field offered by the two schools and the kids have to be great students to qualify for acedemic help or be from a family that can an is willing to carry the financial burden.

FU is very limited in the number of majors it offers. If your child is interested in Speech path., deaf or special ed., or finance. We stand a great chance. FU is in it's second year of starting a Sports Management major which is helping with the draw of men to the school.

Also, STL hs students have always been a get away from home mode. I know I was one of them. But, if you look back, traditionally, FU and WU have been top teir SLIAC programs.

Westminster also has the draw of Greek Life that some kids are looking for.

It's a numbers game. FU does not lack numbers on the women's team. But you have to kiss a lot of frogs to find that princess.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 13, 2009, 07:41:31 pm
Also, STL hs students have always been a get away from home mode. I know I was one of them. But, if you look back, traditionally, FU and WU have been top teir SLIAC programs.

I agree with this. And, I think a lot of parents want their kids to broaden their horizons by going to college somewhere else.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 13, 2009, 10:39:23 pm
Just for the record FU owns 6 SLIAC Conference Titles and finished 2nd four times.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 14, 2009, 07:50:18 am
While I really enjoyed watching Webster beat Fontbonne in OT last week using mostly freshmen, and would love to see an upset tonight vs Maryville, I'm doubtful that it will happen  -  for one reason - good seniors (Maryville) playing vs good frosh (Webster).  Experience usually counts for alot...

However, did I see a chink in the armor of Maryville in their game with Fontbonne.... Maryville has a lot of good players and is giving time to several new faces - people who played in the past are getting less playing time - did not seem very enthusiastic sitting on the bench for 25 to 30 minutes....  it's tough to find time for 11 or 12 players....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 14, 2009, 12:00:19 pm
I guess it's finally safe to report. Amy klotz, 6'3 power forward, who started 12 games as a freshmen and played major minutes as a sophmore while plagued with knee injury. Will not be attending FU next year. Amy is the younger sister of Liz Klotz, a FU legend and member of FU's most historical team.

Amy left SLU this year and is now taking classes at a local Jr. College. She has decided to become a Saint next season and help MU in their first season of DII ball. This kids a player and has the same winning instincts as her big sister.

The Old Fishing story about the one that got away.

Can not blame her though. Two years of free schooling at SLU and two years more at MU are hard to pass up.

Happy to report big sister Liz is progressing nicely through Med. School.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on January 14, 2009, 04:33:00 pm
Sorry for the mishap with the Maryville schedule.  I was looking at Blackburn's schedule and saw the next two games were against Greenville and Maryville.  Missed the off day.  Dubb, I have not been called shooter in about a year!!! It has a nice ring to it.  Mac has problems beyond the coaching staff and low endowment but that is not a discussion for this board.

I just threw my two cents out there on the recruiting issue.  I think Coach O at Webster will get them back on the right track.

And Dubb, good luck tonight and lets get prepared to finally knock off Maryville!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on January 14, 2009, 11:23:47 pm
It looks like Mac played Fontbonne tough.  FC News or anyone else at the game?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 15, 2009, 12:00:22 am
Mac kids played very hard. FU was out of sync and Coach Quigley was home with a throat bug that is running rampant on the FU campus.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 15, 2009, 09:50:11 am
Strong performance By Maryville last night, weak by Webster.  Maryville pressure defense forced Webster into 26 turnovers - the webster kids played like deer blinded by oncoming headlights.  Only Junior Julie Mcgirls efforts kept Webster as close as they were....   The night started off very badly when Erin Chesnik went down with what appeared to be a serious knee injury in the second minute of the game..... 

Well, Maryville showed the Gorlocks how aggressivness wins games, let's hope it's a lesson learned.

Sorry gotta say it - don't like the Maryville coach's antics, no matter what his record is - can't believe the ranting and raving he gets away with - last night he threw a tantrum at the Scorer's table because the clock was slow starting (when he had a 17 point lead with 2 minutes left in the game) - admirable of the timekeeper not to have thrown the clock at him....

and if you're a Bernie Miklaxz fan, I have a Bernie  -  Hey Coach, Free Kim Douglas - she shot lights out in several games last year, goes 2 for 2 in a couple minutes last night, and never sees the floor in the 2nd half....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on January 15, 2009, 09:54:09 am
Hey Hopefan,

Don't be asking Maryville to free douglass until after the Blackburn game....lol!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 15, 2009, 11:36:39 am
I agree with hopefan's assessment of the Maryville-Webster game except for one thing. I think the cause of a significant number of Webster's turnovers were simply the result of bad decisions by Webster, and one player in particular. Pressure defense or not, many of the turnovers were not "forced". Or, perhaps we disagree on exactly what it means to force a turnover.

Losing Erin Chesnik is a blow for Webster. She doesn''t put up a lot of points but she runs the offense well and plays with composure. I also have to wonder why Megan Willet doesn't get more playing time. Seems to me that she really hustles when she is on the floor and does not make many mistakes.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Gibson17K on January 15, 2009, 12:25:20 pm
Last night was certainly not a strong performance by Webster. Granted, two guards were injured, and neither played the second half, which was particularly rough for the Gorloks. Six of their next seven games are on the road, so their road to the SLIAC tournament is certainly a curcuitous one.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 15, 2009, 02:20:22 pm
Do you enjoy watching the variety of sporting events that the area Missouri DIII schools put on the playing field?

Then it's time to get a pen anr paper and shoot out a letter to your state representitive.

As we speak, state lawmakers are trying to change how the Mo. State Grant monies are being distributed. They are trying to make these tax dollars (or a major portion) available only to those students attending state universities.

Access Missouri was created to help our state’s neediest students. Providing up to $4,600 in tuition support to attend any Missouri college or university. There are approx. 500 studebts at Fontbonne alone that could be effected.

Endowments have been devastated by the Stock Market downturn and investment losses. This could just be the tip of the iceberg. Private Institutions are still trying to see what damage has been done and where to go from here.

These dollars are a HUGE part of the financial aid packaging process. I for one know my wife could not of attended and earned her Fontbonne College degree without this.

This will probably be a death blow to the number of sports that the Private Institutions will be able to field.

Are you ready for the state to try and dictate what type of education your child seeks?

I know it is a choice to send your child to a private school. But, this will deeply cut into the pool of athletes that our area DIII programs have to recruit from. And, only bolster the rosters of intramural teams at state schools.

These are OUR representives and if you have an opinion on this issue, Now is the time to let your voice be heard.

Thanks for the space on this matter
 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 16, 2009, 02:50:14 pm
Big game Saturday with MU travelling to Westmin - we'll see just how far WC has really come....  Maryville looked good, not great, in beating Webster...  I may drive over to Fulton....

incidently, forgot to mention one interesting facet of the Webster - MU game -Myrtie Reilly had 5 Blocks, all were definitive in your face types - poor Sara Wemlinger ate 3 of them, each on driving moves to the basket
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 17, 2009, 07:44:51 pm
FU beats PC by 3. Via Hopefan, MU beats WC by 4.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 17, 2009, 09:11:16 pm
I either typed wrong or FC read wrong    78-66 MU over westmin
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on January 17, 2009, 10:26:39 pm
As I said earlier, Westminister is a quality women's basketball team!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 17, 2009, 11:14:28 pm
Sorry. Hopefan. I was driving and reading. ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 18, 2009, 01:00:34 am
Webster over Eureka 73-63 in a game that saw a lot of lopsided runs by both teams. These are teams with lots of freshmen who have great potential. I expect both teams will become strong contenders in the conference over the next 2 to 3 years.

The article on the Webster website sums up the game very nicely. Link below.

http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2009/1/17/WBB_0117095237.aspx

One other comment. I think this is one of a very few games this season where Webster had a lead at halftime. It seems like coming back from a halftime deficit has been a positive trait of this team, so several of us were wondering if the team could hold on to win playing from this atypical circumstance.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 18, 2009, 03:02:05 am
Good to see you, Y-Jak. I'm going with 75-64 as the final. The scoreboard said 73-63. I had 74-63 (as did the official scorer I think), and the stats say 75-64. Either way, it's about the point spread many would have guessed from this match up, though it's not exactly how I thought we'd get there.

I was happy to see Eureka fight back from down 16 to tie the game. Many 1-11 squads I would think would pack it in on the road. Meyer made all the clutch shots in the game after EC had tied it. The outside attack of Meyer and Underwood will be key for Webster the rest of the way I would think. Lockett is going to be a difficult match up for everyone in the SLIAC.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 18, 2009, 10:14:55 am
Little to say about Maryville - Westmin   -  Maryville's inside strength and superior depth did in Westmin - Westmin kept it close in the first half, Maryville really dominated the second half - the point spresad would have been worse were it not for several 3's from Westmin late in the game.

Credit where Credit is due - I ended up sitting directly behind the Maryville bench and thought I detected some eye contact between the Coach and me - making me wonder if he had read my comments regarding his behavior at the Webster game-  well at this game, his conduct was fine - not once did he throw a tantrum at officials - sure he questioned calls, but it was done in a sane manner.  Some may scoff, but this creates a far better impression of the coach, the team, and the school - AND, it puts the spotlight back on the players, where it should be!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on January 18, 2009, 10:18:52 am
One other comment. I think this is one of a very few games this season where Webster had a lead at halftime. It seems like coming back from a halftime deficit has been a positive trait of this team, so several of us were wondering if the team could hold on to win playing from this atypical circumstance.

I have confirmed that there were only two other instances in which the Lady Gorloks were ahead at halftime. The last time was on Dec. 7, when they led Rust at halftime, 36-32. They went on to win that game, 78-69. On Nov. 29, they led Rose Hulman at halftime,  30-29 , and went on to win in OT,  72-68. In this win against Eureka, Webster was ahead, 32-24, at halftime. In their other 11 games, Webster won 5 of them after an average halftime deficit of 6.6 points. In Webster’s 6 losses, they had average  halftime deficits of 13.5 points, but the Wash. U. and St. Ambrose games distort the averages, as they trailed Wash. U., 50-26 and St. Ambrose, 54-17 at halftimes. Take those two out and you have an average halftime deficit of only 5 points in the other 4 they lost.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 18, 2009, 03:12:53 pm
One other comment. I think this is one of a very few games this season where Webster had a lead at halftime. It seems like coming back from a halftime deficit has been a positive trait of this team, so several of us were wondering if the team could hold on to win playing from this atypical circumstance.

I have confirmed that there were only two other instances in which the Lady Gorloks were ahead at halftime. The last time was on Dec. 7, when they led Rust at halftime, 36-32. They went on to win that game, 78-69. On Nov. 29, they led Rose Hulman at halftime,  30-29 , and went on to win in OT,  72-68. In this win against Eureka, Webster was ahead, 32-24, at halftime. In their other 11 games, Webster won 5 of them after an average halftime deficit of 6.6 points. In Webster’s 6 losses, they had average  halftime deficits of 13.5 points, but the Wash. U. and St. Ambrose games distort the averages, as they trailed Wash. U., 50-26 and St. Ambrose, 54-17 at halftimes. Take those two out and you have an average halftime deficit of only 5 points in the other 4 they lost.

So Webster has won all three games where it led at halftime and five of eleven when it has trailed at the half. And if you throw out the Wash U and St. Ambrose games, Webster has won 5 of nine when trailing at the half. But in the four losses the halftime deficit was not insurmountable. What does all this mean??? I don't really know. ???
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on January 18, 2009, 04:51:19 pm
What does all this mean??? I don't really know. ???

I think it means that the Lady Gorloks surely do not quit, but in the 4 games that they were not able to stage the comeback, the other team did not quit either.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on January 19, 2009, 02:54:35 pm
Coach Williams has done an amazing job thus far at Blackburn with the womens program and it is still on the uprising. Within his first year he had turned a sub-par team with potential out the wazoo into a conference contender. Now into his 2nd year as head coach, he has the girls sitting at 4-2 in conference being in 3rd place as well as being on a 5 game winning streak. He had done a tremendous job with recruiting and is an avid supporter of all Blackburn sports. I would love to see him take over the AD position in time.
Don't underestimate the Beaver as well as any team because on an given night, the best can go down.

Go Beavers!  :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 19, 2009, 05:18:41 pm
After catching Fontbonne for the first time this year vs Principia I am not giving up on the Griffins. Granted the have no real post game, they do have some shooters. Katy Kirby can flat out score. If they can get a little more motivated on the defensive end they can be dangerous. They did play Maryville very close.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 20, 2009, 09:22:56 am
Blackburn is going to beat Maryville tomorrow, so cancel the post game show and say good by to that winning streak!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2009, 10:33:01 am
one and,, or anyone else  -  I haven't seen Blackburn this year - can you give us some player highlights that have accounted for their rapid rise.....

Thanks

To be able to beat Maryville, BC will have to be aggressive (Maryville has good athletic size in Allie Wilhelm AND replacements), play good defense (Wemlinger, McCabe, Bartolic, Behringer all can score)  and good depth (Maryville uses approx 12 players).....   Maryville is at their best when they play pressure defense and RUN.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 20, 2009, 10:46:08 am
they have the a three some that can dominate, a new comer amanda johnson, shipley of course and Aerial Hawkey. they are the main 3. johnson is an deep threat as well as good ball handler. its street ball, but it gets the job done. theres a LOT of fast breaks, and it turns it into a very fast paced womens game. their center doesnt seem to have much coordination but can sometimes hit the outside shot, 20 footer at the absolute deepest. COME ON BLACKBURN lets not let Maryville sneak out of the SLIAC with a huge winning streak.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2009, 12:32:11 pm
Sounds like it could be a good game......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 20, 2009, 12:53:57 pm
i hope so, it sounds like a pretty good match up.. even though maryville always sits on top, im hoping for the knock off! no offense to you maryviller's out there!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 20, 2009, 02:01:20 pm
Congrats to Christina Speer SLIAC player of the week last week

Principia College's Christina Speer, a senior from Ballwin, Mo. (Principia Upper), has been named the SLIAC Women's Basketball Player of the Week for the week of January 12-18.

Speer, a 6-2 post player, averaged a double-double last week with 22 points and 18 rebounds in two games played. She also shot 16-of-29 (.552) from the field and 12-of-13 (.923) from the charity stripe, while tallying eight assists, seven steals and three blocks.

Speer had 28 points, 15 rebounds, five assists and three steals in a 72-64 loss to Westminster College (Mo.). She also shot 67 percent from the field and shot 8-of-9 (.889) from the free throw line. Speer added 16 points, 21 rebounds, four steals, three assists and went 4-of-4 from the charity stripe in a 63-60 loss to Fontbonne University.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 20, 2009, 03:48:41 pm
The latest NCAA statistics are out. Here are our conferences top 10 rankings.


Individual
1st     Kathryn Kirby (FONTBONNE) 96.2 ft %
15th   Kathryn Kirby (FONTBONNE) 2.9 Three-Point Field Goals Per Game
13th   Abby Lowe (MACMURRAY)    20.2 ppg

Team
18th       Fontbonne ft%     75.5%
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on January 20, 2009, 09:23:08 pm
Webster women lose to Principia, 87-74, the first time to lose after leading at halftime.  :(   Check it out at:

http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2009/1/20/WBB_0120090932.aspx
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 21, 2009, 08:58:45 am
I appreciate everyone knocking my karma down for no apparent reason. btw good game by the Principa Lady Panthers last night, the win was big for them.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 21, 2009, 11:00:59 am
lets go lady beavers, get yourself a win tonight, and give the conference and the world a huge upset!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 21, 2009, 08:50:01 pm
Fontbonne wins 71-67 over Westminster.  I keep hoping Fontbonne will pull it together and make a run.  ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on January 21, 2009, 09:39:39 pm
lets go lady beavers, get yourself a win tonight, and give the conference and the world a huge upset!

Well, you almost called that one. It took Maryville 2 OT's for the 78-73 win.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: bcbeaverfan1 on January 21, 2009, 10:21:21 pm
No disrespect to Maryville, they clearly have a very strong program--but kudos to BC for bringing the heat!  With far less players they were able to put up a dog fight!  I think this shows that records may not be a good indicator of the capabilities of any team in the conference and NO team is set in stone for their place and or win in the conference tournament!  Keep competing...everyone...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on January 22, 2009, 12:39:32 am
"Far less players" what does that mean?  Blackburn has Shipley who I would take over any player in the conference.  Nonetheless, kudos to Williams and Blackburn but I am sure Coach would rather have a win then a moral victory.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 22, 2009, 08:21:35 am
Very nice win for Fontbonne at Westmin - that's 3 close wins in a row and Font is sitting nice at 5-3 at the midway point.   This is another ladies' team that has some impressive frosh - I hadn't paid much attention before, but frosh Kendra Schilli is a good player - really attacks the basket, and when you do that, you get fouled - she was 11-11 last night from the line, finishing with 23 points.  Another frosh, Calista Collier,  made several huge 3's that gave Fontbonne a solid lead in the second half, and soph Mal Ludwig kept getting the ball in the middle and putting up soft bank shots to hit double figures....
interesting stat...  Font 22 for 24 Ft,, westmin 16 for 18 ft...  ladies, please help some of the guys out, eh!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 22, 2009, 09:06:46 am
double OT.. what a good game. Blackburn gave Maryville their real first scare in over 80 conference games! well maybe not their first, but it was definatly a scare. Lady Beavers, keep your heads up and keep playing hard, then go get those girls at home on feb 24th!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 22, 2009, 10:48:30 am
That game at Blackburn should be something to look forward to - alot on the line for MU seniors to finish out the streak, or for BC to bring down the mystique .... 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 22, 2009, 11:21:49 am
Coach Williams, great job, expect the gym to be packed on the 24th!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 22, 2009, 11:26:06 am
May have to break out the bleachers on the other side behind the benches!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 22, 2009, 11:30:17 am
hopefully! Im sure it would be nice for the school to have more than 30 people at the games.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 22, 2009, 11:37:24 am
it was only 3 or 4 years ago that the Men's team won the conference championship and the bleachers behind the benches were pulled out - Blackburn crowd at that time was great - I had a lot of fun here on D3hoops with the rowdies down in the corner - they were great fans - and they even presented me with a Blackburn Beavers Tshirt!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on January 22, 2009, 12:40:53 pm
it was only 3 or 4 years ago that the Men's team won the conference championship and the bleachers behind the benches were pulled out - Blackburn crowd at that time was great - I had a lot of fun here on D3hoops with the rowdies down in the corner - they were great fans - and they even presented me with a Blackburn Beavers Tshirt!!!

I was there also. It was, as you say, great fun with the crowd. If you remember, they cleared the place after one game, and we were limited to only one game - unless we were able to pull a sneaky.  ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 22, 2009, 12:53:29 pm
I would think the same thing would be necessary if Westminster were to host the tournament.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 22, 2009, 01:08:17 pm
Looks like Turnovers and poor FT shooting did in the Beavres
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 22, 2009, 01:11:23 pm
free throws are essential. and i dont think they are the most solid  free throw shooters. i also know maryville is quick has a tough defense and likes to play some high pressured D. that obviously helped them out last night because just like hopefan said, turnovers were a big part too.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on January 22, 2009, 04:02:07 pm
Hopefan I remember when we gave you the shirt. That was back to my freshmen year at Blackburn whenever we had amazing crowds at the games including the Crazies who have sence graduated. I am now a senior this year...time sure does fly by! :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 22, 2009, 04:05:00 pm
Enjoy your senior year - unless you're in the 5 or 6 year plan, this could be the last year of your life to have FUN!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 22, 2009, 04:08:04 pm
Dynasty i remember a lot of those guys,
Josh Edington, david gan, chase conlin, the whole 2005 mens baseball team, that corner was intense! oh what has happened. administration is single handedly killing blackburn!  NEXT HOME GAME I BETTER NOT SEE YOU ON THE FRONT ROW! haha. thats sad!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on January 22, 2009, 04:09:36 pm
Kudos to Maryville for pulling out that win...what a great college women's basketball game. Lack of execution on offense and poor boxing out from tired legs was one of the deciding factors and Not having an answer for Allie Wilhem was the other. yes Blackburn played an awesome gave, but moral victories are not longer accepted!

Great Job again maryville, you showed why you have been the best team in the conference for many years.

Lastly, Blackburn women learned a great lesson last night, lets just hope they carry it over to a talented Principia team on Saturday.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 22, 2009, 04:19:20 pm
Good point Coach  -  it's easy for your players to immediately start to formulate a victory celebration for beating Maryville AT Blackburn, given their outstanding performance last night - one of your jobs as a coach is to make them focus on the 7 games before that - second place, if not still first place, is up for grabs......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 22, 2009, 04:23:52 pm
Good point Coach  -  it's easy for your players to immediately start to formulate a victory celebration for beating Maryville AT Blackburn, given their outstanding performance last night - one of your jobs as a coach is to make them focus on the 7 games before that - second place, if not still first place, is up for grabs......

I second every word in your post haha! if i could give kudos i would!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: bcbeaverfan1 on January 22, 2009, 06:55:47 pm
"Far less players" what does that mean?  Blackburn has Shipley who I would take over any player in the conference.  Nonetheless, kudos to Williams and Blackburn but I am sure Coach would rather have a win then a moral victory.

Far less players definitely did NOT mean less players in talent...less players in numbers..when you can only play a strong 6 or 7 man rotation, girls start to get fatigued...unlike other teams that can put in a whole line change....thats what i mean HCACBBALL...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 23, 2009, 01:46:18 pm
Is that the Millikin women's coach (Lori Kerans) I see reading our board? If so, it's an honor to have you visiting, even though you beat my alma mater, Randolph-Macon in the national championship game a few seasons ago -- 2005 I believe.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 23, 2009, 01:51:05 pm
Eureka won the first road game of the season Wednesday over MacMurray 80-77.  The athletic trainer stayed busy in this game as several players left with injury. Abby Lowe got Mac off to a great start by hitting 5 3s in the first 9 minutes for a 25-12 lead. Lowe then left shortly after that with an ankle injury. She came back to play almost of the 2nd half, but she was not 100%. She is an amazing athlete and a tough player to defend healthy or not.

Eureka came back from 9 down at halftime to tie the game less than 5 minutes into the 2nd half. Mac went back ahead by 9, but EC came back again to take the lead for the 1st time with 1 minute to go. Lisa Byard put EC ahead and Lauren Snopek hit a jumper to give EC a 3 point lead with 33 seconds. Lowe pulled Mac back within 1, but Lindsey Crum hit a layup with 10 seconds left and Lowe missed a desperation 3 at the end.

The Red Devils shot 59 percent for their highest field goal percentage in a game in 5 years. Crum scored 34, which is the most in a game for an EC player in over 16 years. Eureka basically had 5 healthy players in the game in the 2nd half and still pulled it out. EC keeps falling behind by double digits early and then fighting back into it. Is that a sign of a great team? No, but it makes covering their games more enjoyable.

Mac is much imporoved and is playing very hard for their new coach.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 23, 2009, 01:53:58 pm
Also, to clear up a few things. Collier of Fontbonne is a sophomore I believe. Not a frosh.

Blackburn has actually moved the bleachers behind the benches to the end by the doors with a set on both sides. There's more room down there so it works out better I think. There were no bleachers behind the benches when we were there in January.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 23, 2009, 02:19:00 pm
correct on Collier  -  My mistake....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on January 24, 2009, 07:00:10 pm
The schedule maker was not very nice to Blackburn College, as Blackburn had to play Maryville with Wilhelm and  then Principia with Speer. Blackburn with 1 and 1 with in these two games, but both big girls had a double double against them. The Blackburn Coach surely will not be upset to see the both of them graduate, as they both are great player, and great young ladies!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 24, 2009, 08:17:30 pm


katie Myers hits a 3 pointer in final seconds for Webster to beat Greenville by 2
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 24, 2009, 09:33:08 pm
Gotcha, hopefan  ;D. (He'll know what this means, but if others don't, go read the men's board.) Katie Myers hit a 3 to put Webster up by one, then stole a pass at mid court, got fouled and made one free throw for the two point margin. The devil is in the details. :o
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on January 25, 2009, 05:13:41 pm
On Wednesday, it looks like we have two good games especially in determining the tournament teams. 

Westmin at Webster and Fontbone at Blackburn. 

I know it is still early but Webster can not get too far behind the pack.  My best guess is there will be Westmin and Blackburn wins.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 25, 2009, 06:33:14 pm
HCAC, I'm  not much into predictions, but I think you've made a pretty bold one that Blackburn will beat Fontbonne. I rate the WC - WU game a toss up
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 25, 2009, 08:12:57 pm
HCAC, I'm  not much into predictions, but I think you've made a pretty bold one that Blackburn will beat Fontbonne. I rate the WC - WU game a toss up

When I wrote the above I forgot that I was on the women's board, not the men's. I'll go with Blackburn. The Lady Beavers lost at Fontbonne, but the Beaver Dome is not friendly to outsiders and I think BC is a bit more improved at this stage of the season than FU. I'll leave the WC - WU game a toss-up, even though the Gorloks lost their point guard to injury in the Eureka game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on January 25, 2009, 11:53:09 pm
Y-Jack that would be a bold prediction for Blackburn's Men to beat Fontbonne.  I will not take that one.   ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 26, 2009, 02:42:25 am
Eureka almost pulled one out over Westminster Saturday, but lost 62-58. Westminster's depth was a big factor as Eureka's top 3 scoring options all picked up 3 fouls in the 1st half and all had their 4th less than 7 minutes into the second half.  Eureka still fought valiently and stayed close enough to have a possession at the end to tie.

Both teams missed some key free throws.  Eureka had Kim Downs at the line with 34 second left down by 2, but ended up with 2 misses. Then, Westminster went 1-4 at the line to keep EC alive. After 2 misses with 8.5 seconds left, Eureka grabbed the rebound down by 2, but had a long pass intercepted.

Westminster always seems to make a bunch of three-pointers against EC and that was the case again.  EC got outscored 24-3 behind the arc.  With Eureka's 3 tallest players all in foul trouble, Westminster was able to grab 16 offensive rebounds in the second half to overcome 27.5% shooting.

Interesting to see the 4 teams at 2-5 going into Saturday all playing teams ahead of them in the standings and we ended up with 3 games decided by 4 points or less. It was probably the last hurrah for those 4 to get back in the race, but I would expect each to keep playing close games with the upper division teams (except for MU) the rest of the way.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 26, 2009, 02:52:14 am
HCAC, I'm  not much into predictions, but I think you've made a pretty bold one that Blackburn will beat Fontbonne. I rate the WC - WU game a toss up

When I wrote the above I forgot that I was on the women's board, not the men's. I'll go with Blackburn. The Lady Beavers lost at Fontbonne, but the Beaver Dome is not friendly to outsiders and I think BC is a bit more improved at this stage of the season than FU. I'll leave the WC - WU game a toss-up, even though the Gorloks lost their point guard to injury in the Eureka game.

Wow! Rare prediction by Y_Jak. I think he's being a tad conservative in talking about his Gorloks though. I can only base this off the games they recently played against Eureka, but I think Webster will handle things at home against Westminster.  They are coming off a dramitic win and those things have a way of carrying over to the next game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 26, 2009, 07:59:51 am
Predictions make for good discussion - When I saw the prediction of a Webster win over Westmin by Yjak, I was surprised for 2 reasons - No 1, I don't think yjak has seen Westmin yet this year, though I may be wrong...  no 2, Yjak and Furbug were both really down on Webster's performance vs Greenville, despite the last second heroics to win the game - I missed all but the last minute of that game, but evidently Webster just had a horrible time with Greenville's full court pressure.  I also note that Myrt Riley had a weak game -something that is confusing to me as I see the potential in her to dominate in the SLIAC given the proper motivation and technical know how.

Westminster has a number of very athletic guards who seem capable of playing that same kind of pressing defense . their inside people are not that strong, but do benefit from good penetration and passing by the guards.  The guards did not shoot well at all in the games I saw them(losses to Maryville and Fontbonne), so if they have that capability as Eureka SID tells us, they are that more of an offensive threat. 

To me Riley is the key to Webster winning this game, and moreso Defensively than offensively.  If Westmins guards can't penetrate and score and their big people don't contribute much because of Riley's presence in the middle, it will be a huge plus for Webster..... that and Webster must take much better care of the ball than they did vs Greenville....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 26, 2009, 09:01:25 am
The girls game at blackburn this weekend was actually fairly packed. Speer played a good game but it just wasnt quite enough to hold off blackburn. my question is, with 20 second left how can you let Speer dribble right down court uncontested and lay the ball up to tie the game, it was a little rediculous. but good game played by both teams. congrats blackburn girls
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 26, 2009, 09:54:57 am
Just one small word for coach Dubb.. and this is no disrespect.

FREE THROW PERCENTAGES
# Team                  G    FTM   FTA   Pct
--------------------------------------------
1.Fontbonne........... 17    314   411  .764
2.Westminster (Mo.)... 16    214   304  .704
3.Maryville (Mo.)..... 17    245   351  .698
4.Principia........... 15    178   271  .657
5.Webster............. 16    247   378  .653
6.MacMurray........... 16    247   380  .650
7.Greenville.......... 15    189   292  .647
8.Eureka.............. 15    213   339  .628
9.Blackburn........... 16    177   288  .615


Better get that ready for wednesday night.. Blackburn wants that W!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 27, 2009, 06:08:59 am
Funny how the impending departure of Maryville from the SLIAC has heightened my interest in the 'other' ladies' teams in the conference.
 Call me male chauvenest - I've never made a decision on what game I'm seeing based on the ladies matchup - I always pick the best men's game and take what's offered on the ladies side.  However this year, all of a sudden, while I still base my decision on the men's game, my mind immediately then evaluates the ramifications of the accompanying ladies matchup....

Unfortunately, that will likely keep me from seeing Coach Dubb's rising Blackburn squad until the playoffs, and Ill never see Prin, but I am building an appreciation for Webster's strong Frosh class, the seeming over acheiving Fontbonne team, Westminster's athletic group, and of course Maryville's perrenial champs... With Maryville leaving, times they are a changing.... Just like the men's conference, the ladies teams are very evenly matched - alot of fun competitive games to see.

Sorry to hear Courtney Brown left the Webster team  -  bad decision all the way around....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 27, 2009, 09:55:51 am
i really enjoy watching coach dubb's team and attend almost all the home games, its worth the trip, if you still want to make sure there will be two good games here are some good matchup that will be AT blackburn here shortly

Jan 28th Vs. Fontbonne
Feb. 18th Vs. Greenville
*** Feb 24th Vs. Maryville

the lady beavers brought the Lady Saints very close to their first conference loss in over 80 games in their last meeting. A double over time loss was heart breaking for them, but they look to change those tides at the beaver dome!

and if those dont interest you, well then, i dont know haha!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 27, 2009, 10:28:28 am
congrats to speer again for dominiating and taking home the second straight week of potw

WOMEN'S BASKETBALL
Principia College's Christina Speer, a senior from Ballwin, Mo. (Principia Upper), has been named the SLIAC Women's Basketball Player of the Week for the week of January 19-25. This is the second consecutive week that she has earned the honor.

Speer, a 6-2 post player, averaged another double-double last week with 19 points and 11 rebounds in three games played. She also shot a perfect 15-of-15 from the charity stripe, was 21-of-34 (.618) from the field and tallied seven assists, seven blocks and six steals.

Speer had 22 points and 15 rebounds in the Panthers 87-74 victory versus Webster University. In that game she sank a perfect 10-of-10 from the free throw line and recorded four steals, three assists and one block. Speer also recorded a double-double with 25 points and 16 rebounds in a 67-65 loss on the road at Blackburn College. In just eight minutes played in Principia's non-conference win (68-31) over St. Louis College of Pharmacy, Speer had 10 points, one assist, one steal and one block.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 27, 2009, 10:46:35 am
Predictions make for good discussion - When I saw the prediction of a Webster win over Westmin by Yjak, I was surprised for 2 reasons - No 1, I don't think yjak has seen Westmin yet this year, though I may be wrong... 

I looked back over the posts and can't find where I predicted Webster would beat Westminster. I'm pretty sure I said twice that I rate that game a toss up. WC won the first meeting at WC by 3 points. But Webster's cast of characters is different now with Courtney Brown leaving the team and Erin Chesnek out for the season due to injury. But Myrtie Reilly was not on the WU squad at the time. So it's hard to know how this will change things.

In spite of the fact that WU had trouble with Greenville's zone press, I believe the Gorloks have a player capable of handling the ball and getting it down court under pressure. It's just a matter of deciding to use her for that purpose.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 27, 2009, 10:49:41 am
Y-Jack that would be a bold prediction for Blackburn's Men to beat Fontbonne.  I will not take that one.   ;D

I agree.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 27, 2009, 11:16:27 am
yjak  -you're reight - I don't know how I got that  -  another senior moment.... :-[
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 27, 2009, 01:41:55 pm
I doubt anyone is interested but here are my picks for the rest of this weeks games.

MacMurray over Lincoln Christian

Maryville Over Prin
     I do believe this will be a close game though. Even though Speer has done a lot of work under the boards this year, but i think Wilheml will be able to hold her down. i think Maryville is too quick and scores so much that they will take the W espically not if but when Wilhelm and Wemlinger come to play.

Westminster Over Webster
     Even though Webster has an advantage when it comes to rebounding, i dont think they will be able to hold down Westminsters 3 pointers. Webster is getting to that point where they are going to be in must win situations.

Blackburn Over Fontbonne
    With the loss by 8 at Fontbonne earlier in the year i think blackburn will come in hungry and defend their home court. blackburn is a much wiser team now because these girls look like they are finally starting to mesh. although the last game these two played was a street ball game, catch and go type of game, i think blackburn will prevail this time.

Eureka over Greenville
     Byard and Crum will do enough rebounding and scoring to take down Banal and the Panthers..

Let me know what you guys think.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 27, 2009, 06:09:49 pm
Westminster Over Webster
     Even though Webster has an advantage when it comes to rebounding, i dont think they will be able to hold down Westminsters 3 pointers. Webster is getting to that point where they are going to be in must win situations.

If Westminster has a typical night shooting 3-pointers then Webster's key to counteracting that will be offensive rebounding in the paint and successfully putting the ball in the basket after a missed shot. All the offensive rebounds in the world won't help if they can't be converted into points.

I think everyone except Maryville is in a must win situation at the moment. If the current teams 2 through 4 win the next couple of weeks, the current bottom 5 may be all but out of the race for a tournament spot. However, in spite of the standings, I think there is more parity in the conference than it appears, so I expect the race for spots 2-4 is far from over.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: GorlokFan on January 27, 2009, 10:17:40 pm
I doubt anyone is interested but here are my picks for the rest of this weeks games.

MacMurray over Lincoln Christian
I would agree with this.  If Lowe is on then this might be a twenty/thirty point win.

Maryville Over Prin
     I do believe this will be a close game though. Even though Speer has done a lot of work under the boards this year, but i think Wilheml will be able to hold her down. i think Maryville is too quick and scores so much that they will take the W espically not if but when Wilhelm and Wemlinger come to play.
 If Maryville shows up, it will be another 30+ victory.  If Maryville shoots from the 3pt line like it has the last couple it could be a 10 point game at most.

Westminster Over Webster
     Even though Webster has an advantage when it comes to rebounding, i dont think they will be able to hold down Westminsters 3 pointers. Webster is getting to that point where they are going to be in must win situations.
 I do not think this will be closer than 10 points.  Webster is not the same team that lost the last time but they do not have a good enough PG to get the ball across half-court against Backes.  Auer has no left and will get picked everytime.  I think Stanfill is physical enough that Reily will get into foul trouble from trying to go over her back. 

Blackburn Over Fontbonne
    With the loss by 8 at Fontbonne earlier in the year i think blackburn will come in hungry and defend their home court. blackburn is a much wiser team now because these girls look like they are finally starting to mesh. although the last game these two played was a street ball game, catch and go type of game, i think blackburn will prevail this time.
 I am going to take FU in this game by 4.  I think the guards of FU will give Blackburn fits and if FU is on from beyond the arc it will be more than that. 

Eureka over Greenville
     Byard and Crum will do enough rebounding and scoring to take down Banal and the Panthers..
  Who knows in this game?  I think it will depend on who shoots the best from outside the arc. 

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on January 27, 2009, 11:59:33 pm
Christina Speer is the most dominant player in the SLIAC!!!! She is a match-up problem for every team, as she can post up, hit the 3, hand the ball vs. the press and block a ton of shots. She will be the conference player of the year. I am sure that many coaches in the SLIAC, will be happy to see her Graduate. Great Job Christina, your a BEAST!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on January 28, 2009, 08:53:07 am
Coach, I echo that!!!! Ms. Speer is one of the best posts that I have seen in D3 in awhile.  The mind boggling thing is she is probably a better volleyball player. 

The SLIAC has some good ones to watch, Speer, Lowe, Shipley, etc.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 28, 2009, 12:39:53 pm
not to disparage what Ms Speer has accomplished or the views of Coach Dubb and HCAC - but in the first conference game of the year, Prin played Maryville...  Ms Speer had 13 points (5 for 10 from the field), 6 rebounds 5 turnovers...  the two Maryville post players, Wilhelm and Viehmann, were also 5 for 10, 14 points, 11 rebounds and 2 turnovers  ....   Granted Speers was in foul trouble....

The best always want to play their best in big games-  lets hope Ms Speer stays out of foul trouble tonite vs Maryville and can show her stuff against the best team in the conference...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 28, 2009, 09:10:14 pm
Good win for Fontbonne. And on a selfish note sounds like my niece got a few minutes and played pretty well.   :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 29, 2009, 12:45:40 am
Huge win for fontbonne. close game the whole time. one box out at the end for blackburn would have been huge. ludwig came up huge for the FU girls at the end. good game to both teams.. Blackburn on a 2 game slide needs to wake up this next week or their tourney hopes may go down the drain.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on January 29, 2009, 02:01:20 am
Blackburn Lost to maryville then beat Principia. So after losing to Fontbonne today, its only one loss, and not consecutive losses. I also disagree that the last box out would have won the game for us, but many other ones during the game and better defense.
Blackburn will get better defensively, I guarantee it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: formersliaccommish on January 29, 2009, 11:51:32 am
While I agree with coachdubb and HCAC that Christina Speer is a wonderful player, even better in Volleyball and one of the best two-sport athletes in the history of the conference, I'm not sure she can "hit the 3" as coach dubb asserted.

That is unless you consider five made 3s in four years with a .215 percentage as being able to "hit the 3".
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on January 29, 2009, 12:07:02 pm
Best two sport female athlete. Easy choice. FU's Amy Hauschild. End of conversation.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 29, 2009, 12:34:04 pm
Disappointing performance by Webster last night - a great comeback from double digit deficeit to tie with 4 minutes left, but they play dead over the last minutes of the game to lose badly.  Some of the people I was so high on three weeks ago are either no longer playing, or not playing with the enthusiasm and aggressiveness that I witnessed in the OT victory vs Fontbonne....  Thank goodness for the couple upperclassmen.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 29, 2009, 01:16:36 pm
Blackburn Lost to maryville then beat Principia. So after losing to Fontbonne today, its only one loss, and not consecutive losses. I also disagree that the last box out would have won the game for us, but many other ones during the game and better defense.
Blackburn will get better defensively, I guarantee it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My bad dubb, i forgot about the prin game, AND I WAS THERE! just getting old i guess. and i wasnt blaming the whole game on that one play. i was just saying it was a huge play in the game. to quote myself it says word for word
"one box out at the end for blackburn would have been huge." Never one did i mention a win or a loss. other than the fact that i said it was a big win for FU. Still it was a great game and you are doing great things with those girls. keep playing how you have been and im sure we will all see you in the tournament.

P.S. #14 Alexander i believe is one heck of a defender.. she was all over the fu girls in the last couple of minutes and they couldnt even move so kudos to her for being such a great defender!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on January 29, 2009, 01:29:43 pm
Hey 1 and Only, no disrespect, I just wanted everyo one else to know that we lost because as a team we have been really bad at boxing out and securing the rebound. Its something that we will continue to work at.

As for Speer, she always seem to hit big threes against us, so maybe that is why I made that comment!

Thank you all that come out to support us, we will get better and offer a better brand of basketball in the near future. 

Lastly, we have to be more consistent!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 29, 2009, 02:30:46 pm
incidently, another frosh to watch is Rachel Backes from Westminster...  I've seen her play 3 times now - tough nosed, quick point guard with an understanding of the game -  she has to have played a lot of ball in the off season -  she gets after it!!

Interesting - while I wrote just the other day that there are few frosh on the men's side of thing having any kind of impact this season, there are at least 7 or 8 frosh women playing and contributing that I know, and I only know half of the teams!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on January 29, 2009, 10:37:35 pm
coach dubb, you keep playing your game... the box outs will come and so will the wins! better late than never.. you're still in it.. now grab whats yours!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: JAdaPrince on January 30, 2009, 12:09:25 pm
Disappointing performance by Webster last night - a great comeback from double digit deficeit to tie with 4 minutes left, but they play dead over the last minutes of the game to lose badly.  Some of the people I was so high on three weeks ago are either no longer playing, or not playing with the enthusiasm and aggressiveness that I witnessed in the OT victory vs Fontbonne....  Thank goodness for the couple upperclassmen.....

I must disagree with you when you say they are not playing with the same enthusiasm and aggressiveness. They effort is there, and has been there. But lets not forget the majority of this team is freshmen, and some are playing more minutes than expected. Losing the two point guards (one of which was usually always on the court), has it effects. That is 40 minutes that have to played by someone. There are a group of players that are having to step up and claim those minutes.

But in short ... The effort is there!!! Maybe not the execution.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on January 30, 2009, 03:25:54 pm
Greenville beat Eureka 54-46 in not a well played game by either team. The Red Devils seemed a step slow, but it was a physical game. Eureka led 14-8, but went almost 9 minutes without scoring to fall behind 28-14. Eureka got it to 40-37 in the 2nd half before running out of luck. It's always a low scoring game between these two teams, so not too surprising that 54 was enough to win.

Eureka plays at Fontbonne Saturday. The Griffins are obviously playing much better than when they met EC last time.

Surprising (at least to me) win by Westminster at Webster. I thought the Gorloks would have enough on their home floor to pull that one out.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on January 30, 2009, 05:36:02 pm
And I will be attending the Fontbonne vs Eureka game.  Woohooo
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 31, 2009, 11:29:55 pm
With Blackburn's win over Westminster and Fontbonne's win over Eureka, it looks like the four tournament spots are all but locked up. The only chance for things to tighten up is if one of the bottom five teams puts together a pretty extraordinary streak over the next six games. Webster definitely needs to right it's slowly sinking ship. Something's gone awry in Gorlok-land.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 02, 2009, 10:33:32 am
Big win for the Blackburn Girls who lost to westminster at home last time. Englands 17 point effort wasnt enough to take down Shipley, Gregory and the lady beavers!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 02, 2009, 11:24:09 am
Just checked out the box to see what earned BC the win  -  huge discrepancy in Free throw attempts for BC  (24-7)  -  Shows Westmin's propensity to lack inside strength to the basket, too many 3 pointers and pull up 15 footers.....  That fault showed in the loss to Fontbonne too....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 02, 2009, 04:29:06 pm
Blackburn finally played some defense and Boxed out...that was the difference as Westmin only scored 22 points in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 02, 2009, 05:01:51 pm
thats good stuff. Holding any team to 22 points in a the 2half is a good feat.. and you did it to westmin.. Congrats coach.. just a couple more games.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 02, 2009, 05:10:11 pm
Fontbonne had a 20 point win over Eureka. The game should not have been that close. Way too many fouls called. Calli, Katy and Kendra had very solid games. Eureka simply has no one who can score the ball.

And I will be up again this Saturday for the game vs Maryville. Let's hope the Griffins 3's are falling.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 03, 2009, 01:30:22 pm
Easy there, jdoug. Eureka has 2 players (Crum and Byard) ranked in the top 10 in the conference in scoring. Byard had 36 and Crum had 30 in 2 games against the Griffins this year.

There were lots of fous called because there were lots of fouls committed. Fontbonne was aggressive with their press and Eureka shot mostly from inside. Both things normally result in an increase in fouls. Quite frankly, Fontbonne won easily BECAUSE they were so aggressive.

I know Eureka is in last place, but it's not like they've been losing every game by 20 points. In fact, the loss to Fontbonne was just Eureka's 2nd SLIAC loss by more than 15. Let's credit Fontbonne for playing a good game without taking shots at the opposition, shall we?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: JAdaPrince on February 03, 2009, 02:21:03 pm
I must agree with Eureka_SID, they have two legit scorers and anytime you have two people that can put the ball in the basket - you have a punchers chance. Those two give there normal performance and one other player show up, they become a dangerous team.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 03, 2009, 05:48:17 pm
Please forgive me. I meant no offense to Eureka. In my opinion there were quite a few ticky tack fouls, but that's how it goes. And since I have only had the opportunity to see Eureka the one time, I didn't see a lot of offense.  Really not trying to take any shots at Eureka. Sorry.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 04, 2009, 03:46:49 am
Thanks, Jadaprince. You seem to have a pretty good read on our team this year. The Fontbonne game wasn't one of Eureka's better efforts, but I still thought Byard and Crum showed enough that most can see we have something to start from. Hopefully EC will have a better game against Webster.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: GorlokFan on February 04, 2009, 09:09:45 am
The parody continues in the SLIAC with Principia beating up on Fontbonne by 18 last night.  Every night anyone can beat anyone. 

Tonights games

Maryville over Westminster by 15 points.  If Maryville plays like they have been the last couple of games it could be over 20. 

Mac over Greenville by 10 points. 

Eureka over Webster by 8 points. Webster just isn't playing well at all anymore.  I think Eureka will lead the entire game.  if the threes are falling for Webster it might be a game, but without a true point guard it will be hard for them to win. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 04, 2009, 09:50:56 am
WOW   -  I'm already wrong on my comment that Fontbonne would be in second place alone after tonite - had not considered a loss to Prin.... :o
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 04, 2009, 02:15:01 pm
The official appointment of Jordan Olufson, formerly interim coach, as the Lady Gorlok's new head coach will revitalize them. :) 

Congratulations to Jordan!!!  ;D

Check out this link:

http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2009/2/3/WBB_OlufsonHired.aspx?path=wbball
Title: Tonight's Predictions
Post by: Gibson17K on February 04, 2009, 04:55:30 pm
Maryville 71, Westminster 64
MacMurray 56, Greenville 50
Webster 66, Eureka 62
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 04, 2009, 07:47:46 pm
Congrats Jordan.....You will do a great job. Just take it easy on Blackburn...lol!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 04, 2009, 08:32:09 pm
Congrats Jordan.....You will do a great job. Just take it easy on Blackburn...lol!

Nice post, Coachdubb. Maybe your ladies need to take it easy on Webster also  ;D You didn't do that earlier in the year.

Webster leading Eureka 55-36 with 5 minutes to go.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 04, 2009, 09:48:02 pm
EurekaSID,

I assume that you are the one responsible for getting those frequent score postings on the SLIAC site while the games are in progress. Great job!!!  8)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 05, 2009, 08:30:46 am
Maryville absolutely dominates Westmin - they could have won by 40+  Catcalls from Westmin fans at Maryville Coach Ellis (I kept quiet, but clearly saw their point)  -  Maryville up 30 in 2nd half (remember they have 19 players dressed - 2 clearly injured and not playing), uses first team for 5 mins. 2nd team for 5 mins -  THEN (up 30), brings back the first team for 3 mins, and then, the 2nd team for 2 mins....   the last seven players didn't come in until 5 minutes left....  -   I thought it a little much that the first group reentered and then the 2nd group reentered....   So did the Westmin fans.....

ON THE OTHER HAND  -  a shame that SLIAC teams won't have Maryville around next year to take out some revenge on - they currently play 8 seniors in their top 10 - the cupboard appears very bare for next year....  Unless Coach Ellis has a great recruiting this year, they will get absolutely CRUSHED by D2 competition next season....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: SLIAC LEGEND on February 05, 2009, 10:45:08 am
Well I think anyone would get crushed by D2 competition.  The SLIAC gets crushed by D3 competition-it is the worst conference in America in D3.  Hardly any teams with a winning record, don't win NCAA tourney games, and wins over top teams are few and far between.  I honestly believe some HS teams in MO and IL would make the SLIAC Tournament. 

The GLVC is one of the top 2 D2 conferences.  Even SIUE struggled in it, and UMSL has yet to be competitive except for one season years ago.  Maryville will have to recruit and will struggle for 3-4 years before being competitive, just like SIUE will struggle making the transition to D1.  Maryville will also not have the full 10 scholarships for a few years, so that will hurt recruiting.  They also do not have the recruiting grounds of a Indianapolis, N. Kentucky, etc., or the facilities.

I don't see any problem with putting your starters back in for a few minutes to work on some things.  This is competitive bball, not the YMCA.  If you can't beat them, then be quiet.  I was at the game, and I didn't see anything about running up the score.  Funny how when Maryville was terrible in the late 90s before Coach Ellis, no one complained about beating them by 30+ every night.  Recruit better, get better coaching, and beat a team instead of complaining all the time.  Look at Prin-they are usually at the bottom of the SLIAC and this year they are competing-I never hear them complaining.

I don't know if Webster made the right move.  They have played better this year, but have lost a ton of close games, and crucial conference games-Mac?? Prin?  He is at the right place at the right time.  Only in the SLIAC can someone with a year of coaching experience get a head job (I don't count being an office GA as a year).

It should be an interesting finish to the season.  We know who is the #1 seed, but how will the rest shake out.  I see MU 1, WC 2, BC 3, FU 4
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 05, 2009, 12:36:08 pm
SLIAC LEGEND  -  the point is, only Maryville will be playing Div 2 competition next year in order to get crushed by them.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 05, 2009, 01:14:26 pm
I am so sick of hearing how bad the SLIAC conference is a whole. I do believe that this conference is on the rise, and the reason that many of the teams have subpar records is because of their tough non-conference schedules. Many of the teams play against one or two D-2 school as well as NAIA schools that offer full scholarships. It is very tough to beat those school, but the teams in this conference schedule those games to help prepare them for conference.
Every school could schedule 6 non-conference cup cakes, but them me how that would get them prepared for conference? It won't! There are also good coaches in this conference:
Quigley, Mulholland, Purdy, Braden and Hearns, not to mention the new coaches that are adding excitment to the conference. The other issue is budgets, how can the school in the SLIAC match up with schools in the CCIW? Example, every other year, Millikin women go to the virgin Islands. So as a recruit, where would you go, to Millikin and go to the virgins Islands or go to Blackburn and go to Franklin college in Indiana? That's a no brainer.

Give this conference a few years, and watch to see the cream rise to the top!!!

Go SLIAC

Lastly, I think that Coach Ellis is a great coach, and a pretty good guy. He has always shown respect to me as a person. Although, me personally, would not try to embarrass team by having my starters run them into the ground. With that said, I have been in that situation before being up a lot and wanting to play my starters for a few more minutes in the second half to work on something that they did not do well earlier.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: SLIAC LEGEND on February 05, 2009, 02:00:43 pm
Coach Dubb,
I totally agree with you on many points.  The SLIAC has drawbacks in facilities and budgets, I understand it's hard to fundraise when you are teaching/coaching full time.  Kids don't want to raise $20k for a trip when they are paying $30k to go to school.  The conference is on the rise, but it is still one of the weakest in D3, and has been since inception.  I agree that the conference is getting better, but as a whole, they need to recruit better and play better vs non-conference opponents (CCIW, WIAC, Midwestern, etc).  I do believe Fontbonne had a good run in the 90s, and Maryville has since Coach Ellis 3rd year or so-college bball is 90% recruiting!! 

I do agree you can't have 6 cupcakes, but I think 3 of them could be, and then play 1 or 2 good teams as a measuring stick.  I would hardly call Stephens, Robert Morris, and others NAIA powerhouses.  If you were playing McKendree, Columbia College, or William Jewell, then I could understand. 

I totally agree-people make judgements on Coach Ellis unfairly.  Other coaches leave in their starters or want them to work on a different D when up 20 and no one says a word.  Just think some of the criticism is just due to jealousy.  I wish you all the best of luck and to watching more exciting games.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 05, 2009, 03:04:01 pm
SLIAC LEGEND  -  I have no tie to any SLIAC school, I have no kids, relatives, or acquaintances on any team.  I love the SLIAC for the great competition on the men's side between the teams, not outside the conference  -  with Maryville leaving next year, I look forward to that same level of competition for the conference championship on the ladies' side

JEALOUSY - you've got to be kidding me...  Some poor parent is out there, having travelled several hours to watch their kid play...  their kid is getting beat by 30, The first team has been pulled with 15 minutes left, the second team plays 5 minutes and they come off the floor still up 30 points with 10 minutes left in the game...    there are 9 girls on Maryville's bench who haven't played at all  -  BUT....  the first team reenters the game, then after 3 minutes the second team reenters.  To work on something new?  Give me a break- it's 5 seniors who have played and started 3 or 4 years  plus 3 more seniors in the second unit-  they weren't working on anything..."new"

Believe me, If I had been a Westmin parent, I would have been hollering, and I would have made sure he heard me......... Coach Dubb, if that substitution pattern is showing respect in some way, either to Westmin, or to the 9 girls who weren't getting a chance to play, I'd like to know how.....
incidently, of the 9, as I mentioned, two were hurt...  the other 7 got to split the final 5 minutes of the game......

 or do we think that the guy who beat the Dallas Christian school 100-0 was also working on something new......

Do I think Coach Ellis is a good coach, given that I'm the one criticizing - YES - he's tough on this players and constantly on them to improve- there are no unearned pats on the back or good game comments from him unless they play to that level  -  he is a demanding coach.  However, a couple weeks ago when I brought up his behavior for abusing referees and scorekeepers, I believe it was just, and when I bring up substituting as he did last night, I believe that too was just.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 05, 2009, 04:26:24 pm
Hopefan, I was not there, so I can't argue what Coach Ellis motives were, but I was saying in the past, I had a young high school team that was winning a game buy 20 and the other school got upset with me because I played my starters in the at the beginning of the 4th quarter. The school did not know that I told my players that they could not shoot 3-pointers, not could they press or trap. We had not played much zone, and I wanted to work on it as we were playing a team that had a 6'5 girl soon, and we were working on packing it in. I was only giving an account from being in that position.
Last year, we scored 98 points vs Lincoln Christian, and the fans wanted me to break the school record of 103, and I told my players that they needed to make at least 10 passes before they shot, and this was with 10 minutes to go in the game, and I had all of my starters out.

Lastly, I think that the guy that coached that 100 to 0 game is a complete idiot, and an awful mentor!!!1
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 05, 2009, 05:50:44 pm
Since this is my niece's final year in the the SLIAC , I'm sure my interest will slip. As for Maryville, I wish them well in D2. I'm sure it will be tough for the first few years. In regards to scheduling, Fontbonne always plays a murderous schedule. Of the top of my head I know they played Ill Wey, Wash U, a D2 school in Hawaii. Not that a tough sched guarantees much. Overall in the womens side it should be really close knit games.

Since I didn't see the Maryville game, if the startes only played a couple of minutes.... I have no issue with that. It is up to every coach to determine when it is running it up. A coach has to realize when  to call off the dogs. There's my 2 cents.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 06, 2009, 02:14:29 am
EurekaSID,

I assume that you are the one responsible for getting those frequent score postings on the SLIAC site while the games are in progress. Great job!!!  8)

Thanks, furbug. Unfortunately, this is the best we can do at this point. I would love to be able to have streaming audio of our games online, but I don't think we have the manpower to do it right now. I hope to have live stats available next year for EC home games.

As for the game, Webster wanted it more than Eureka. This was evident by the rebounds in the 1st half: 31 for Webster, 12 for Eureka. Downs and Knight played well for EC, but overall it was a lackluster team effort, which has not happened very often at home this year.

In the 1st meeting, Byard neutralized Reilly fairly well, but this time Byard was very sick and Reilly took advantage with a monster game. Megan Willett played well of the bench too for Webster. They will need to keep it up if Webster wants to get back into playoff position.

We'll see what the Red Devils have left in the tank Saturday against a hot Principia team. Prin has won 4 out of 6 (with 1 of the losses by just 2 points at Blackburn), but is it too late to get back in the race. Meanwhile, Mac completes the sweep of Greenville. I for one didn't see that happening at the beginning of the season. Mac has to be kicking themselves for letting one get away against Eureka at home right now.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 06, 2009, 08:45:35 am
Coach Dubb,

Just want to set the record straight.  When Millikin goes on these trips to Virgin Islands, San Diego, etc it is not paid by the athletic department.  The players themselves either fund raise or they pay out of their own pocket.  I know for San Diego they were asked to pay alot of money.

They also get team shoes that are paid by the student.  So, their budget may be a tad bigger but it does not pay for trips.  You could do the same thing if you wanted. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 06, 2009, 09:24:36 am
HCACBALL, the ladies at blackburn has raised over 4 grand this year in fundraising, its all we do. I wish that we could raise that much to go to san diego or to the virgin islands. I am not knocking Millikin, nor their great coach (Kerans), taking them trips, even if you have to pay for them is more appealing. We bought two new sets of uniforms, shooting shirts and shoe this year with all the money that we have raised. Thank GOD that our tuition is affordable.
With that said, I make no excuses for our record, nor will I stop playing a tough non conference schedule. The CCIW is what it is, a great conference (I graduated from North Park). In a couple of years, I feel that the SLIAC top teams will be able to compete with the top teams in the CCIW.
Lastly, as for recruiting, I agree that we all have to turn up the heat in the recruiting kitchen; if this is done, watch out! Good luck to Maryville next year. We played two of the teams that they will play next year in confernce (Missouri S&T and Lewis).
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: DukeDevil on February 06, 2009, 10:33:53 am
SLIAC Legend:

I think it is bit presumptuous to say the SLIAC is the worst conference in the country, at least as far as women's basketball is concerned. 

If I am not mistaken, I recall posters on this board discussing recent victories over quality teams from the "power" conferences including: WashU, Millikin, IWU, etc.  (I don't remember exactly)

Further, I believe at least 3 teams in the past 5-6 years have won NCAA tournament games and at least 2 (maybe 3) have advanced as far as the Sweet 16.  Granted the SLIAC top-bottom is not at strong as the CCIW, UAA, MWC, but let's at the very least give credit to those top squads before dismissing the entire conference.

Afterall, even the "best" conferences have their own dogs!


As for the Coach Ellis debate, I think it is unfair to criticize his coaching decisions.  None of us are in the gym during practices, so maybe he had a good reason for giving those kids only a few minutes of playing time.  In addition, I would imagine this time of the year, his main focus MUST be on preparing the team for the SLIAC/NCAA tournaments.  In that light, maybe he felt he needed to give his top 8-10 players more minutes from a conditioning standpoint.  Given the number of lopsided victories Maryville has this season, a real concern might be keeping his players in "game condition."  I am not saying he made the right decision, but I think before everyone dismisses his actions as being a "jerk move," we need to consider it from all angles.

Additionally, I think there is a huge difference between high school and college basketball, so comparing him to that coach is unwarranted.  The high school coaches must deal with the players given them, however if college coaches dont enjoy being beaten by 40 pts. then as Coach Dubb put it, "Do a better job recruiting."  It's not fair to tell kids who work hard all weak in practice to not play hard because the other team is bad.  That said, I acknowledge there is some consideration for sportsmanship necessary.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 06, 2009, 01:01:48 pm
While I was at the game and have a better feeling for the conditions as they were, I appreciate each of your opinions.  One misconception though, is that I would not want Coach Ellis to tell his kids to go out and not play hard - RATHER - give his last 7 more than a split of 5 minutes in a 30 point situation.  He does a pretty good job of rotating his top 10 - the second 5, even down to 11 and 12, see action in just about every game - this was an opportunity for more than three minutes for each of them....
Just as the top 12 are hitting practice every day, so are those ladies - and don't forget - they are the future of the program
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 07, 2009, 07:20:45 pm
Maryville continues to roll up the victories.  As they say, the good teams win the close ones. They had a real scare from Fontbonne today in their 3-point victory, and from Blackburn a couple of weeks ago in double overtime.  Even Webster’s 67-60 loss last season was one in which a much inferior, fired up Lady Gorlok team came close to breaking the streak. Coach Ellis may be controversial, and may not be the most likeable guy to the referees and some of the fans, but I have heard first hand that the ladies love to play for him, and it shows in the results.

I  know that moral victories do not count in the records, but these women on the teams that have come so close deserve a lot of credit. They need to take a lot of satisfaction in knowing that they went out there and played their hearts out, even if they did come up short to an excellent team that knows how to pull out the win at the end. There are such things as moral victories, and I think they are very meaningful in life and learning. Loss or not, the ladies need to be proud of how they played. Congratulations to Fontbonne for their effort today, and to Blackburn for that superb double overtime effort two weeks ago. Congratulations also to Maryville and Coach Ellis on their continued success.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 07, 2009, 10:31:39 pm
VERY good lady's game at Fontbonne with Maryville  -  several big time comebacks by both teams  --  in the end, Maryville's superior depth  had the saints using fresher players at the end of the game, and that's when the saints won it. A new hero emerged at the end of the game for the Griffs - using some players off the bench because of foul trouble whom I hadn't seen before, Fontbonne found Frosh Jill Wilmas who had little action all season - She hits 4 of 5 from the floor with 3 3's, all crucial , and darn near wins it!!!!
On the other hand, Maryville Coach Ellis clearly had the ball going in to Allie Wilhelm at the end of the game- her play in the last 5 minutes helped win it... Reserve point guard Mikal Bencomo did a great job off the bench for the saints.   

Just a REAL GOOD GAME

I know I liked Webster as a team to watch next year, but they seem to be running out of gas....  with Shilli, Bramel,  Collier, Ludwig, and Wilmas, Fontbonne has a nice group of Freshmen and Sophs to carry things on too......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 07, 2009, 10:52:56 pm
I'm already back in Dallas, but the Font vs Mary game was very good. As hopefan mentioned, a couple of comebacks from both teams. Then from about 5 minutes on neither team could pull away. Font does have very good fresh and sophs. Once again, I thought the refs were too involved. Well, one ref was too involved. Not saying that's why Font lost. Not at all. Font had too many to's and missed a few chippies. And Maryville was very solid. I was very impressed with #5. Plus, they just have more depth.  Overall, very exciting game. I hope Font gets one more shot at them.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: GorlokFan on February 08, 2009, 08:11:28 pm
Now i do not want to sound like I am a Maryville Fan. I am amused how that everyone complains about how Maryville's Coach complains and does all his antics but no one has mentioned the antics of Fontbonne's Coach yesterday. 

I had the pleasure of making it to the game since my gorloks did not play until 6pm and was appalled at how FU coach got into the officials face after a call towards the end of the game.  He lit up the official. Now he should have received  a Technical.  I was amazed at the composure of the official.  Now that was not the end of it, after the game the FU coach RAN AFTER THE OFFICIAL DOWN THE HALL.  This is unacceptable.  So I think if we are going to complain about one coaches antics we have to complain about this too.  At least Maryville's coach does not pull that crap.  Just my opinion. 

On a more positive note, it was a very intense game.  Two teams putting everyone out on the floor.  It was great to watch. 

On a sad note, my Gorloks looked horrible.  Without a true point guard they are going to have trouble down the stretch this year.  I hope they can find a PG for next year. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 08, 2009, 08:23:42 pm
I had the pleasure of making it to the game since my gorloks did not play until 6pm
On a sad note, my Gorloks looked horrible. 

Did you really leave the Fontbonne game and drive to Springfield, IL for the Webster-Robert Morris game???
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: GorlokFan on February 08, 2009, 09:29:09 pm
Hey I am a dedicated fan. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 09, 2009, 02:55:17 am
Exciting game at Principia Saturday as Prin dropped Eureka 62-59 with a three-pointer at the buzzer. Such is the way the season has gone for EC. The game was tied at 59 with Eureka in-bounding with the length of the court to go. Christina Speer intercepted a long pass near the Principia free throw line extended. She threw a long pass to Sara McDaniel, who caught the ball, turned and fired a three-pointer that went in. This all happened in less than 2.8 seconds.

Eureka had this game in hand most of the way. The Red Devils steadly built a 34-22 lead at halftime, and kept a double-digit lead until the midpoint of the 2nd half. EC was still up 53-44 with 6:30 left before Prin scored the next 7 points.  Principia tied the game for the first time all day at 55 with 1:46 left, then took their first lead at 59-57 with 1:07 to go. Both teams squandered possessions in the final minute when the game was tied at 59.

Speer willed her team to win with some brilliant defensive plays. Offensively, well the facts are Principia outscored Eureka 25-6 at the free throw line. Speer scored 28 points, including a 16-for-17 effort at the line. She alone made twice as many as the entire Eureka team attempted.  Taivia Knight had her best game in some time with 17 points and 15 boards for EC.

This was a big win for Principia as it keeps them alive for making the tournament. If they run the table (@ MC, @ WC, BC, @WU), they would potentially make it in at 9-7, but they need someone from the bottom of the league to knock off Fontbonne or Blackburn. Prin's last second loss at Blackburn is looming large right now for the Panthers.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 09, 2009, 09:53:41 am
At this point in the season there are between 4-5 games left so obviously anything can happen. right now the top 4 teams are as follows.. andif the season were to end today this would be the tourney.

Maryville - 11-0
Westminster - 8-4
Blackburn - 7-4
Fontbonne - 7-5

With only between 4 and 5 games left who do you think has the best chances to be knocked out of the tourney and who has the toughest road to the tourney?


So heres what we are looking at
Blackburn 7-4
Blackburn @ Eureka(2-10) last meeting blackburn won
Blackburn @ Webster(5-6) Last meeting blackburn won
Blackburn vs. Greenville(3-9) Last meeting blackburn won
Blackburn @ Principia(5-7) Last meeting Blackburn won
Blackburn vs. Maryville(11-0) Last meeting blackburn lost by 5 in i believe double OT

A few away games but if they continue to play how they have been, they will win up to the maryville game and then its a toss up.

Fontbonne 7-5
Fontbonne vs. Webster(5-6) Last meeting FB lost by 6 in OT
Fontbonne @ Greenville(3-9) Last meeting FB Won
Fontbonne @ MacMurray(4-7) Last meeting FB won
Fontbonne vs. Westminster(8-4) Last meeting FB won


Fontbonne out of the top 4 has a decent schedule remaining. If they dont play tough they could see themselves beat out by Webster or Principia.

Westminster 8-4
Westminster vs. MacMurray(4-7) Last meeting West won
Westminster vs.  Principia(5-7) Last meeting West won
Westminster vs. Eureka(2-10) Last meeting West won by only 4
Westminster @ Fontbonne(7-5) Last meeting West lost

With so many home games left and it being such a long trip westminster seems to be sitting pretty in 2nd place right now. Look for them to finish with 1 possibly 2 more losses, which could put them into 3rd if blackburn wins out.

Maryville 11-0
Maryville @ Greenville(3-9) Maryville won last game by 36
Maryville @ Eureka(2-10) Maryville won last game by 35
Maryville vs. Webster(5-6) Maryville won last game by 18
Maryville @ MacMurray(4-7) Maryville won last game by 40
Maryville @ Blackburn(7-4) Maryville won last game by 5 in i believe double OT

Maryville has a lot of away games and even though they will probably take 1st im looking for them to get their first loss in conference in quite some time at Blackburn. Blackburn played them well last time AT Maryville which is not an easy place to play. Hopefully the Blackburn fans show up and make their place a tough place to play. an upset is always great. other than the Blackburn game i dont really see Maryville having much trouble.


Also with webster and Principia right on the verge of the top 4 who out of those two do you think could potentially get in?

Websters schedule looks like this
@fontbonne(7-5)
vs. Blackburn(7-4)
@Maryville(11-0)            Combined Record 33-25
vs Greenville(3-9)
@Principia(5-7)

Principias schedule
@Mac(4-7)
@Westmin(8-4)             Combine record 24-21
vs. Blackburn(7-4)
@Webster(5-6)

Basically webster has to play their hearts out to finish above principia because they obviously have a much tougher remaining schedule. It could potentially end in a shootout Principia@Webster. It could also boil down to that being a game to get into the tourney if the top 4 dont buckle down. Basically the tourney is still up for grabs.. this should make for an exiciting end!



Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 09, 2009, 02:42:28 pm
Hey I am a dedicated fan. 

So are you saying that you attended the Fontbonne women's game at 1 p.m. on Saturday and after the conclusion of that game you traveled to Springfield, IL to see the Webter women's game vs Robert Morris?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 09, 2009, 03:02:34 pm
hey now i thought i had a pretty good post and you guys just skipped over it for someone who is lying about going to games? come on now!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 09, 2009, 05:28:52 pm
hey now i thought i had a pretty good post and you guys just skipped over it for someone who is lying about going to games? come on now!

Well, I think that there are a lot of things that have to happen, and you outline the possibilities, and I am pulling hard for Webster to step up big time and get into those playoffs, but I also want you to know that this last post was very funny, oneandonly, and I got a good laugh over it. Thanks for that!  ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 09, 2009, 06:53:13 pm
Theoneandonly, since you are begging.... My guess is the same 4 at the top make the playoffs. Fontbonne has defeated Blackburn twice, so if they end in a tie Font gets the 3rd spot.

Back to Font's coach flipping out. He did. And I don't blame him. It was a horendous jump ball call when neither Maryville player was touching the ball, plus the coach and Font player were screaming for a time out. That does not excuse his actions, he should have gotten t'd, but the call was AWFUL. With under a minute to go and you are down 3 the other team magically gets the ball back. Eeeeek. As I said earlier, it did not cost Font the game. They made plenty of other mistakes, but it cost them a better chance.  I hope that doesn't sound like too much of a Font homer.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: GorlokFan on February 09, 2009, 10:22:13 pm
Wow I did not realize that a man driving from St. Louis to Springfield was that big of a deal.  I love that fact that I must be lieing since i drove to watch Webster play, without knowing any circumstances that would lead me to the springfield area.  So I will give you a play by play. 

3:25 left fontbonne gyms
3:30 got into my car (sorry I had to park a little far away and I do not walk that fast)
3:31 turned on my car
3:32 Backed my car out of my parking spot.
3:34 made a rt on big bend.
3:38 made a rt on Forest park parkway took it to through the city and hoped on highway 40
4:11 took I-55 towards Indianapolis (sorry got hungry and made a pit stop)
5:54 arrived at game. 

I will be more than happy to tell you what I was listening to and who I talked to on the phone is you need to know. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 09, 2009, 11:27:25 pm
Wow I did not realize that a man driving from St. Louis to Springfield was that big of a deal.  I love that fact that I must be lieing since i drove to watch Webster play, without knowing any circumstances that would lead me to the springfield area.  So I will give you a play by play. 

3:25 left fontbonne gyms
3:30 got into my car (sorry I had to park a little far away and I do not walk that fast)
3:31 turned on my car
3:32 Backed my car out of my parking spot.
3:34 made a rt on big bend.
3:38 made a rt on Forest park parkway took it to through the city and hoped on highway 40
4:11 took I-55 towards Indianapolis (sorry got hungry and made a pit stop)
5:54 arrived at game. 

I will be more than happy to tell you what I was listening to and who I talked to on the phone is you need to know. 

Your status as superfan is solidified. If it were me I'd have been listening to KWMU (NPR) unitl it was out of range somewhere between Exit 60 and Exit 72. What were you listening to?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Gibson17K on February 10, 2009, 12:45:36 am
Good to hear of your dogged dedication as a fan. How long have you traveled to watch your Gorloks?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: GorlokFan on February 10, 2009, 08:06:34 am
I was listening to Blessid Union of Souls.  Great CD!!!  After that I went to listening to some good christian rock. 

I have watched the Gorloks since the bad Ron Roberts years. 

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 10, 2009, 08:59:42 am
that was far from begging but thanks! just trying to get off of a boring subject is all.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 10, 2009, 09:41:33 am
I have watched the Gorloks since the bad Ron Roberts years. 

Did you travel up to Wisconsin to see them play Wisconsin Stevens Point in the Sweet Sixteen round in 2002?  ???
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 10, 2009, 10:11:52 am
I am inclined to agree with jdoug regarding the SLIAC final 4 - with the exception of the loss to Prin, Fontbonne has played very well the last 4 or 5 games  -  Webster hasn't.  Tomorrow night will tell all - a Fontbonne win, and only Prin could catch them, and that would necessitate a total meltdown by Fontbonne.  A Webster win on the other hand would at least give Prin and Webster hope, but the remaining schedule would still  favor Fontbonne.

The other thing to pay attention to is who will come in 4th, and have to face Maryville in the first round....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: GorlokFan on February 10, 2009, 12:41:49 pm
I have watched the Gorloks since the bad Ron Roberts years. 

Did you travel up to Wisconsin to see them play Wisconsin Stevens Point in the Sweet Sixteen round in 2002?  ???

Regretably I could not make it to that game but I was at the Lakeland game at Grant.  That was a fun time, the crowd kept cheering "we got Barke."  Those spahn and stuhlman years were fun to watch, and the last truly good years at Webster 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 10, 2009, 01:37:08 pm
GorlokFan,

I went up to Stevens Point. Webster played well and came close to beating the eventual national champs. Halley fouled out and Tara Fortschneider got hurt, but then came back late in the game - she was as tough as they come. I was also at that Lakeland game you mention, very low scoring. As I recall, Laura Stuhlman hit a jumper at the close of the first half to give us a 20-19 lead. I may be off by a point or two.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 10, 2009, 02:41:25 pm
I'm glad someone mentioned that great WU team. Nice sweet 16 run.

Maryville has been on this streak since '03. Great streak. Great team. Great coaching. But, please DO something with this season, before you leave D3.

Webster grabbed the Chance. And made a run.

FU from '98 - '01 went 53-3 (not undefeated). Missed two chances because of the two years the SLIAC didn't have an AQ.

But, in '01, they beat Wash U and stopped "The Streak". Went onto go undefeated in SLIAC play. 21-7 regionally ranked. Hosted Rockford in the 1st Rd. winning 83-47. Went to Millikin ( they were ranked 5th in the Country) and avenged the '00 1st Rd thummping, by beating them 69-56. In a very hostile atmosphere. Hostile might be the wrong word, Decatur loved Big Blue womens basketball then. Went on to the sweet 16 and lost to Wartburg by 4. In agame that could of set up the Wash U rematch. Wash U went on to win the National Title with Tasha Rodgers.

So Saints!!! Please use this last chance.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 10, 2009, 02:57:37 pm
I'm glad someone mentioned that great WU team. Nice sweet 16 run.

But, in '01, they beat Wash U and stopped "The Streak".

I well remember that day when the Fontbonne ladies ended the Wash. U. streak. That was big news at the time.

FC, for an FU homer, you sure are good about giving other teams credit where credit is due.  :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 10, 2009, 05:11:50 pm
Hopefan, as for who gets the 3 or 4 seed, does it really matter? Someone will have to beat Maryville, whether it comes in the first or second game. Line up and take your shots.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 10, 2009, 08:08:00 pm
Hopefan and Jdoug, any of the top 6 teams in this conference could win the tournament if they got hot at the right time. I am just taking one game at a time, and trying to win that one!

I also want to mention that I wish Maryville well on the D-2 level, and I know in time that Coach Ellis will have them playing competitive basketball.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 10, 2009, 08:51:48 pm
Coach Dubb   your advocacy for good will is admirable, but I don't think saying any of 6 teams could win the conference playoff just isn't realistic...  I know you're not a betting man, but if you were...... ::)  I think I'd still take the 1-2 odds on Maryville.....

Let's see, if Maryville had been hot vs Ill Wez last year, they would have won... oops, they weren't hot, and lost by 30+

As for the 3 vs 4 JDoug.... having a better opportunity to go one and one for the weekend, having the opportunity to play on Saturday for an NCAA slot, is more exciting than going against No 1 on the first night.....  Yes upsets can happen, but they haven't in a number of years......   Coac Dubb, what do you prefer.. 3, or 4  (Please note, 1 is not an option...)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 10, 2009, 09:59:36 pm
As for any of the top 6 being able to win the tourney, I have no idea. I haven't seen enough of the other teams. Maryville has to be better than 2-1 fave. Fontbonne has played them close twice this year, but the Griffins have to be hot from outside to have any chance. And I don't mean regular hot, I mean en fuego. I did love the intensity Font showed this past Saturday though.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 11, 2009, 09:18:02 am
I think everyone is overlooking the fact that maryville has come dangerously close to losing there streak 3 times this year. Yes i know, THEY DIDNT, but they did come very close, so saying another team can win the tourney is very valid in my point of view.
Here are they games:
Maryville Vs. Fontbonne 70-63
Maryville Vs. Blackburn 78-73 Double OT I think. (it may have been a single OT)
Maryville Vs. Fontbonne 75-72


Also dont forget Maryville has to play AT Blackburn on the 24. That would be a game that I would suggest many people attend because it could potentially be the end of Maryville's streak. I know a lot of you posters havent been to Blackburn yet this season, but this is pretty much a must see game!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 11, 2009, 11:03:10 am
Doubt that I will make it to that game - but DEFINITELY look forward to seeing the semis of the ladies tourney!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on February 11, 2009, 12:25:38 pm
Hopefan - I highly suggest you come to the Blackburn/Maryville game on the 24th. It will be a BIG game and I have very high feelings of a streak coming to an end. Also note that if you want a seat to the games..COME EARLY. The BC student section will be out in big numbers including a rumored blackout is taking place. This is definitely a game to see. From what I understand the student section they plan on bringing out is going to be intense  :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 11, 2009, 12:44:39 pm
Sorry dynasty - everything works against me coming up  -  Tuesday night - this old man still has to work Wednesday - and it is opposite Westmin at Fontbonne, which could be ultimately decisive on the men's side, and could play a role in matchups on the ladies side...

Now of course, a Blackburn Beaver 'ette' double X tee shirt could.....   Naaah, I need to stay in StL

It would be fun to exchange texts on scores though  -  PM me if you'd like to do that - I know everyone at the Font will be curious regarding the score at BC
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 11, 2009, 01:44:26 pm
Hopefan - I highly suggest you come to the Blackburn/Maryville game on the 24th. It will be a BIG game and I have very high feelings of a streak coming to an end. Also note that if you want a seat to the games..COME EARLY. The BC student section will be out in big numbers including a rumored blackout is taking place. This is definitely a game to see. From what I understand the student section they plan on bringing out is going to be intense  :)

Dynasty, Rumor is Maryville might be bringing quite a crowd as well. perhaps the Blackburn Students should even get there early! good luck to the lady beavers, i always love an upset!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on February 11, 2009, 03:24:43 pm
One and only - Tipoff is at 6...we plan on being there at 5:30 to set some things up :)
We will be having some fun suprises in the gym that will hopefully being the BC faithful arise!
Hopefan that would be great...I assume you want the girls score right? Just wanted to be sure to clarify it.
If all it takes to get you here is a shirt, I think I can manage that..the condition is you gotta wear it at the game and be involved within our student section! ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 11, 2009, 04:38:22 pm
If Blackburn is going to have this sellout crowd everyone is talking about, then I hope they take advantage of it to make a few bucks on a concession stand. That has been conspicuous by its absence at games I have gone to there.  ::)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 11, 2009, 05:38:24 pm
Furbug  -  I found a  concession stand at BC in the student union next door - close enough for half time or between games.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 11, 2009, 11:16:21 pm
Fontbonne pulls out a tough ot win over Webster. Lauren said she had a decent game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 11, 2009, 11:48:00 pm
jdoug, I thought Lauren played a very good game. You would have been proud of her.

Dynasty22, do you think that the huge crowd you expect for the Maryville vs. Blackburn game on 2/24 will fall off a lot after Maryville's streak has already been broken on 2/18 by Webster?  ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 12, 2009, 09:20:07 am
Webster really handed it away last night, and Fontbonne is to be congratulated for taking it.... Once in a blue moon, I put my old coaching hat on...  last night, I wish I had been put on the Webster bench, -  well the new coach will learn.........

Wow.. Blackburn had a big letdown last night - big 2nd half comeback to squeak by Eureka...

The results pretty much lock up the 4 SLIAC tourney slots - now the only question is who comes in 4th....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 12, 2009, 09:31:15 am
Hopefan, Blackburn did not deserve to win last night, as they played the worst game of their conference season. They were outrebounded 48 to 24 and they missed 12 free throws. What save them was their pressure defense, holding Eureka to only 24 points in the 2nd half. They also caused Eureka to turn the ball over 34 times. I really feel like the players were looking past Eureka, and thinking about Webster on Saturday. Great Job by Eureka.
As for 4th place, I feel that if you want to win the conference, you have to go through Maryville, so if you get them in the first round of the 2nd round of the conference tournament, you still have to beat them.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 12, 2009, 10:41:17 am
Good point coach dubb. I dont feel like Maryville is invinceable anymore though. like i said before they have been very close to being beat three times this year. Get those girls on back on track and were looking for an upset on the 24th.. BUT obviously since were not wanting them to look too forward like you said they posisbly did yesterday.. how about you go do work at Webster. 

Dynasty although i doubt it will happen since webster hasnt played the greatest this year, if Maryville does happen to lose their winning streak before the Blackburn game i really hope you guys still plan to go out because the crazies that once ran the school obviously have faded off. I know there are still a few around but that was an atmosphere unlike any other in the conference. Any of the crazies going to be helping you out with the Blackout?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: thenatural13 on February 12, 2009, 01:53:30 pm
Dynasty certainly does have the help of 1 good old fashion crazy. It was our idea to get rowdy and shake things up at the dome. Should we expect to see you there One and only? Also the girls at Blackburn are playing pretty good. Expect them to put up a damn good game against Maryville! see you all there!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 12, 2009, 02:15:29 pm
Also the girls at Blackburn are playing pretty good.

girls???? Are they only 13 years old?  ???
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on February 12, 2009, 02:58:04 pm
Furbug – Regardless if Webster puts Maryvilles streak to an end or not, the BC faithful will still be out there in full support of our teams.  We would love to be the ones to put an end to it but even if we aren’t, we will just help Maryville start a new streak and that is of a losing one :)
One and only – You can count on us still being at the game on the 24th regardless of what happens before hand. It’s set in stone and we are more then ready for the game to come…we have already been preparing for it.  I am one of the few Crazies still remaining but I will still have one that is all about this as much as I am if not more! We are both taking charge of it all and gathering everyone up we can in support of the games.

I can’t wait for the games and the 24th can’t come soon enough!
Go Beavers!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 12, 2009, 03:10:35 pm
hopefan's definition of useable and non useable terms for the gender of players  on Sliac teams on these pages

Gentlemen   -   ladies    no, I've not referred to any of the teams as gentlemen's teams so the offsetting term ladies should not be used

Male  -  female   nope, haven't ever referred to any of the teams as male teams, though there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with it

boys  -  girls   nope never referred to Sliac teams as Boy's teams  

guys - gals   seems reasonable -  'the guys on the team, the gals on the team'

Men's - Women's    Seems the best

of course, in lockerroom etc chat, I may have used other venaculer to describe players of a particular sex on a team, and those descriptions in some cases have other comparable words to describe the opposite sex, but we won't go there... ;D ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Hoosier Titan on February 12, 2009, 03:43:20 pm
Thoughts from a CCIW-based lurker:  I've always wondered about the use of "Lady (Whatever)" for teams.  Why should IWU's team be the "Lady Titans," for example?  Weren't there Titans of each gender? And whoever said that being a "lady" was good thing for a basketball player?  :D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 12, 2009, 04:24:45 pm
Gentlemen   -   ladies    no, I've not referred to any of the teams as gentlemen's teams so the offsetting term ladies should not be used

guys or gals   seems reasonable -  'the guys on the team, the gals on the team'

Guys and gals seems acceptable as far as I am concerned. Interesting your comparison on the ladies and gentlemen. Whereas I would never refer to the men as gentlemen, I have referred to the Webster team as the Lady Gorloks. That still seems OK to me.
The term "gentlemen" is so widely overused anyway. It is not unusual to hear a TV commentator refer to a robbery or something similar, and say something like, "The gentlemen had guns drawn, etc., etc." I mean - really - "gentlemen??"  ::) Events such as those might well qualify for the use of the other vernacular you describe.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 12, 2009, 04:29:24 pm
Furbug – Regardless if Webster puts Maryvilles streak to an end or not, the BC faithful will still be out there in full support of our teams.  We would love to be the ones to put an end to it but even if we aren’t, we will just help Maryville start a new streak and that is of a losing one :)

OK, dynasty22, Both teams can do Maryville in as far as I am concerned - and, as I have said on here before, I have always enjoyed the student spirit at Blackburn, if that is what you mean by "the crazies".  8)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2009, 08:39:54 am
contenders vs non contenders on Saturday, but certainly Webster is capable of challenging Blackburn, and Fontbonne can't rest vs Greenville.  Maryville should be fine vs Eureka and Westmin should handle Mac....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 13, 2009, 09:39:05 am
I have to agree with coach dubb about the Blackburn/Eureka game on Wed. The Blackburn team that showed up in Eureka that night would have no shot at coming close to beating Maryville. They may not have deserved to win, but Eureka didn't exactly grab the bull by the horns either.  Eureka played well in the first half, but EC didn't take full advantage of the situation...that being a disinterested Beaver team. Eureka was up 33-23 at halftime, but that proved to not be a big enough lead.

The Red Devils panicked against the press several times to give Blackburn some life in the second half. A 12-0 BC run tied the game with 8 minutes to go.  Blackburn took its first lead since 1-0 with just 2:30 left. As it turned out, Eureka had 34 turnovers and lost to a team tied for 2nd place by 3 points. I'm not sure if that's good or bad...

Let's hope all this premature hype about the Maryville game doesn't affect the Blackburn players in any games. Despite Hopefan unofficially closing the books on the playoff race, BC still needs to win at either Webster or Prin or hope Prin loses somewhere else to clinch a spot. If BC loses at WU, PC and then to Maryville and Prin runs the table, Principia gets in.

As for the Red Devils, that's now 8 losses by single digits against only 1 victory this season.  They came back last night to defeat a down Lincoln Christian squad 62-45. Lauren Snopek had a fantastic game setting career-highs in points (18) and assists (10) in the same game, which is difficult when you think about it. Kim Downs also tied Eureka's single game steals record with 11. It will most likely be a much different story Saturday when Maryville comes to town, but I'm sure I will look stunning in my pink shirt and tie anyway  ;D.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 13, 2009, 11:31:38 am
Eureka SID, I can guarantee you that Coach Williams will run his team (BlackBurn) back into focus for the remaining of the season. I am not saying that they will win every game, but I believe that they will be very focused. Two days of practice with him after a lack luster game, does not bold well for the lady Beavers!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 13, 2009, 05:41:55 pm
Wow, I was looking at the conf stats. I'm amazed Fontbonne is in such good shape. If you only look at the stats it would appear the only thing Font can do is shoot free throws.

There are lies. Damn lies. And statistics.  :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 13, 2009, 07:07:26 pm
There are lies. Damn lies. And statistics.  :)

jdoug, that is a quote from Disraeli, later made more popular by Mark Twain - should be acknowledged as such.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 14, 2009, 05:47:40 pm
With the top 4 teams all winning, it looks like only the seeding remains. Seeds 2-4 I mean.

And furbug, forgive me for not giving credit to Twain. Or Disdaeli.( Of course I've never heard of Disraeli.)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 15, 2009, 06:06:48 pm
Big Day for a couple of young Griffin's. Mallory Ludwig (Fr) 23 pts and 8 rebounds in 13 minutes. and Cali Collier 5-6 from downtown.  How about Jill Wilmas (Fr,) 8-11 ft's in 14 minutes.

A senior, sophmore and a bunch of freshmen. This kind of team can play with anyone or come out like deer in the headlights. Beats anything I've seen.

Definately a fun group to watch. Kendra Schilli (Fr.) may be the hardest working girl in the SLIAC. Ludwig continues to get in shape to play 25 minutes, the Rolla connection (Collier and Brammel), Schilli and the mystery of Wilmas, fun group for the future.

Kirby and Crain have been very enjoyable to have been around. Kirby's grandfather was the Head Men's Basketball Coach at Normandy HS., when Coach McKinney was at Welston High.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 15, 2009, 10:25:09 pm
FC interestin - I met a fellow at the Greenville game who I got into conversation with - said he had coached for years against Coach McK  -  wonder if that was him.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 15, 2009, 10:46:46 pm
Distinguished looking gray haired man. Very Nice Guy. Still takes his granddaughter to the gym to shoot free throws.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 15, 2009, 11:15:10 pm
Has to be the same fellow....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 15, 2009, 11:58:36 pm
He was at the last Fontbonne-Webster game sitting to our right and down a row or two. Coach McKinney talked to you, Hopefan, over the railing, asking you if you had to pay to get in. Then a bit later, he moved over to the right and called down "Coach Kirby", who then came up to shake his hand. I figured it was the player's grandfather, because he looked about my age. ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 16, 2009, 12:27:37 am
Furbug - Early / mid 60's Normandy vs. Wellston was a big Rivalry. That relationship led to Katie attending FU.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 16, 2009, 03:43:40 am
There are still several scenarios that put Principia in the tournament field. All of them start with Prin running the table, which will be no small task with games remaining against Westminster, Blackburn and Webster. Blackburn, Fontbonne and Westminster can all clinch sports with wins Wednesday, but even if Blackburn and Fontbonne win, Prin would stay alive by beating Westminster.

One thing is for sure - Maryville will be hosting.  The Saints won over Eureka Saturday 75-56 in a game that was not that close.  MU was up by 36 at one point in the 2nd half.  Courtney Bergheger did not play in the game, but the Saints hardly needed her. I would be very surprised if Maryville loses to any SLIAC opponent in either regular season or tournament play, but they play the games for a reason...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 16, 2009, 09:37:23 am
sorry ive been so out of it this last week i was sick. Blackburn did play very well against webster the other night in St. Louis. Did anyone attend?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 16, 2009, 02:39:40 pm
Furbug - Early / mid 60's Normandy vs. Wellston was a big Rivalry. That relationship led to Katie attending FU.

FC, interesting to track careers and how they affect people and decisions of another generation. My granddaughter is a Katie also (9th grade), and I still shoot hoops with her also.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 16, 2009, 11:01:13 pm
sorry ive been so out of it this last week i was sick. Blackburn did play very well against webster the other night in St. Louis. Did anyone attend?

Yep. Blackburn played well and Aerial Hawkey definitely earned her PoW award. She's a terrific player.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 17, 2009, 12:22:26 am
Hawkey is the best all-around player in the league. She has played the point, 2-Guard, small forward, power forward and center for the Beavers this year. Post up, hits the three and handle the ball....she is also playing on two really bad shin splints which she got running cross country this fall. If she was 100%, she would be leading the conference in scoring.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 17, 2009, 11:43:13 am
Hawkey is the best all-around player in the league. She has played the point, 2-Guard, small forward, power forward and center for the Beavers this year. Post up, hits the three and handle the ball....she is also playing on two really bad shin splints which she got running cross country this fall. If she was 100%, she would be leading the conference in scoring.

As the late, great University of Kentucky boradcaster Cawood Ledford would say "AND SHE'S JUST A SOPH-O-MORE!!!"
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 17, 2009, 01:46:49 pm
Hawkey and Shipley should prove to be quite a task for Maryville on the 24th.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 17, 2009, 07:46:54 pm
Sounds like Hakey is pretty good player. Wish I could have seen her this year.

And good luck to Blackburn vs Maryville.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 17, 2009, 08:35:34 pm
Coach Dubb   -  really think you should use the bigger stage and wait for the tourney to spring the upset   -  that way I'll get to see it and be the first to congratulate you!!!!

Seriously though, I have all the respect in the world for the women of Maryville  -  no single individual has done it, they've won close, particularly this year, and they've played through various injuries over this run - At least 8 of the seniors have started at one time or another -  if they get beat, I'll cheer for the victors as loud as anyone, but if the streak survives through the end of the year, this group certainly deserves all the accolades they receive. yes - even Coach Ellis!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 17, 2009, 08:58:47 pm
Hopefan, I think that Coach Ellis is a wonderful coach...you do not win that many games if you were a bad coach. I also think that the maryville women have set aside their own personal agenda, and bought into the team concept that Coach Ellis has installed.

They play very hard and smart. They keep their composure, even in close games. That my friend is a reflection of their coach.

Lastly, every coach in this conference wants to win a big game, especially vs. Maryville, but I can tell you that Blackburn is working hard to prepare for a well coached Greenville team that is coming in tomm. So everyone else can continue to talk about Maryville, but the Lady Beavers are focused on Greenville, then on to a talented Principia ball club.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 17, 2009, 09:33:40 pm
Coach Dubb   -  really think you should use the bigger stage and wait for the tourney to spring the upset   -  that way I'll get to see it and be the first to congratulate you!!!!

Hopefan, if Blackburn does that, it won't count in breaking their streak. Otherwise Maryville would not even have this long a streak, because Webster beat them in the tourney finals in 2005.  :D 8)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 17, 2009, 09:35:48 pm
Hopefan, I think that Coach Ellis is a wonderful coach...you do not win that many games if you were a bad coach. I also think that the maryville women have set aside their own personal agenda, and bought into the team concept that Coach Ellis has installed.

They play very hard and smart. They keep their composure, even in close games. That my friend is a reflection of their coach.

Lastly, every coach in this conference wants to win a big game, especially vs. Maryville, but I can tell you that Blackburn is working hard to prepare for a well coached Greenville team that is coming in tomm. So everyone else can continue to talk about Maryville, but the Lady Beavers are focused on Greenville, then on to a talented Principia ball club.

All well said, Coach Dubb!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 18, 2009, 09:15:26 am
Coach Dubb, Im glad to see that your head is in the right place. Let all of us talk about the Maryville game, and I know that is something that a coach can get wrapped up in (everyone talking about a gamein the future) and let the games before faulter. But it seems like you're focused at the tasks ahead. That is pretty impressive and glad to see you arent letting all of our talk get to  you. Good luck tonight against Greenville, I dont think I will be able to make it though. I guess we will have to wait and see.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on February 18, 2009, 12:06:26 pm
Can't wait for the 24th...it can't come soon enough!
Best of luck to Coach Williams and the Lady Beavers tonight...let's keep the W's coming!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 18, 2009, 12:13:07 pm
Good stuff dynasty. Hope the crowd is as rowdy as is used to be. and hopefully you guys can stand on the front row, i know they nixed that. hope the "blackout" works.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on February 18, 2009, 12:15:35 pm
I am hoping so too one and only...from what I understand there has been a meeting with Mim about letting us get back onto the front row again for the blackout game. Only thing I don't understand is that because of the size of the Beaver Dome, it's not like what could be said on the 1st row couldn't be heard from the 2nd row or even the top.
Either way it is going to be a fun enviornment..I'm hoping you could make it to the game and perhaps join us in the student section! :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 18, 2009, 01:13:53 pm
I am hoping so too one and only...from what I understand there has been a meeting with Mim about letting us get back onto the front row again for the blackout game. Only thing I don't understand is that because of the size of the Beaver Dome, it's not like what could be said on the 1st row couldn't be heard from the 2nd row or even the top.
Either way it is going to be a fun enviornment..I'm hoping you could make it to the game and perhaps join us in the student section! :)

wow i am interested to hear what the verdict of this decision is. i dont understand why its an issue anyway no other team in the conference or probably even in the ncaa has this rule. Was the meeting with students or athletics department?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on February 18, 2009, 01:16:24 pm
At a meeting with the each sliac school representatives, schools has been complaining about our fans and the "disrespect" they showed at games. Mim didn't like to hear that so as a alternative, we were no longer allowed in the front row
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on February 18, 2009, 01:16:48 pm
By the way one and only, check your PM's!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 18, 2009, 01:29:22 pm
will do, so how did the meeting go will students be allowed bck in the front row? and who was at this meeting?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 18, 2009, 05:05:02 pm
Here's hoping Fontbonne plays with intensity and smarts tonight vs MacMurray. When the griffins have their heads in the game they can be pretty tough. That and if the 3's are falling.

Go Fontbonne!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: formersliaccommish on February 18, 2009, 09:49:17 pm
Don't blame President Pride for keeping the Blackburn students from standing in the first row of the bleachers at home basketball games. You can blame her for the incredibly stupid decision to drop Football at Blackburn, which will badly hurt the SLIAC was well as Blackburn, but if you want to blame someone for the "no standing in the front row" edict, blame me.

The problem with standing in the front row in the small SLIAC venues is that it doesn't take long for those who are standing to work their way close to, or inside the sideline. Then it's only a matter of time before a referee gets tangled up with a spectator, or that a player from the visiting team, chasing a loose ball, gets tangled up with spectators thus creating the potential for a real problem. That led to a nasty brawl at Oklahoma State, I believe, several years ago. It's hard to believe that Washington University, which runs an incredibly first class athletic program, still allows its "crazies" to encroach on the court as they do.

So, in my second or third year as Commissioner, I told the schools to either mandate that the spectators in the front row remain seated, or that no seating be permitted in the front row. Blackburn is apparently still following this edict so don't blame President Pride.

 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 18, 2009, 10:23:23 pm
Fontbonne wins tonight. Sorry don't have a final.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 18, 2009, 11:11:07 pm
As I thought, Greenville was well prepared for the Beavers. Greenville put up a great fight, and it took great defense and clutch shots for the Beavers to come out with the 14 point victory.

Day off, then prepare for a talented Principia, who has the leagues top player in Christina Speer. :(
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 19, 2009, 03:54:39 am
The front row issue started in a FU @ GC SLIAC Tournament Championship Men's Game. Over flowing crowd. The biggest I've ever seen at GC. On the final play of the game, some GC faithful may or may not of obstruted the play. That is why the rail went up in the old Long Gym set up.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 19, 2009, 09:13:29 am
As I thought, Greenville was well prepared for the Beavers. Greenville put up a great fight, and it took great defense and clutch shots for the Beavers to come out with the 14 point victory.

Day off, then prepare for a talented Principia, who has the leagues top player in Christina Speer. :(


Big win last night for the lady beavers, they looked very well prepared and kept their composure the whole game. it didnt seem like they were ever in doubt.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 19, 2009, 09:23:58 am
Don't blame President Pride for keeping the Blackburn students from standing in the first row of the bleachers at home basketball games. You can blame her for the incredibly stupid decision to drop Football at Blackburn, which will badly hurt the SLIAC was well as Blackburn, but if you want to blame someone for the "no standing in the front row" edict, blame me.

The problem with standing in the front row in the small SLIAC venues is that it doesn't take long for those who are standing to work their way close to, or inside the sideline. Then it's only a matter of time before a referee gets tangled up with a spectator, or that a player from the visiting team, chasing a loose ball, gets tangled up with spectators thus creating the potential for a real problem. That led to a nasty brawl at Oklahoma State, I believe, several years ago. It's hard to believe that Washington University, which runs an incredibly first class athletic program, still allows its "crazies" to encroach on the court as they do.

So, in my second or third year as Commissioner, I told the schools to either mandate that the spectators in the front row remain seated, or that no seating be permitted in the front row. Blackburn is apparently still following this edict so don't blame President Pride.

 

 I understand your ruling on this, however i dont think that you have been to very many different venues in the SLIAC lately. just to fill you in at maryville they bring a couch right behind the opposing teams basket which ever side it may be that half and make some pretty rediculous actions when they are shooting free throws. so i dont see the big deal of the first row at blackburn. in all honestly i think a lot of the sliac teams are on the same level and if an opposing player were to jump into the stands at blackburn i dont think there would be any trouble, i think they would either catch the player or get out of the way so he/she could catch themselves. maybe its just me, but i think blackburn security is also ruining the games because last night i saw a security officer yell at the crowd to settle down and was pointing into the crowd saying he would call the police on some students with under a minute left in the mens game and blackburn was winning. Sorry blackburn students you cannot stand, cheer, or sit on the front row, soon enough you probably wont even be able to watch the game, they will have empty gym games so theres "no home court advantage" as the announcer at blackburn always says. Although i have been out of blackburn for quite sometime i still enjoy going to the games and watching the girls and guys play their hearts out, same goes for baseball and softball. It just seems like after ramsey left the school it went straight down the drain as far as athletics go. I commend the coaches for still getting people in the gym and out to the fields, but i pitty  you because you never saw the glory days of blackburn athletics. Believe it or not at one time there were so many people in blackburns gym people would have to literally stand on the floor ALL over the place. oh yeah, did i mention that is no longer allowed either. so what it boils down to is, to all the athletes at blackburn you can once again blame this on the administration for the lack of fans at your games. hopefully dynasty and the natural can get the gym backto its old fashion on the 24th against maryville. sorry for the long rant but it has just been a long night and morning that has made me want to express this.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 19, 2009, 10:50:13 am
one and only  -  former sliaccommish has been to all SLIAC venues - that was one of the outstanding things he did in his reign as commish, making himself known on each campus.   The Maryville situation was rectified last year, or at least this year....  there have been no couches at the end of the court, and the light mats or material, apparently draped over the chairs, serve as a barrier that keeps the students (who admirably are standing the whole game with no seating) from moving too close to the floor.  waving clapping etc from behind the hoop can be seen at any game and is acceptable by anyone but the most rigid of administrators.  I think if you think about things in a reasonable manner, you'll agree that the no standing in first row is for EVERYBODY's safety and Enjoyment of the game, particularly at a venue like Blackburn where there is virtually NO space between the out of bounds line and the first row.  I agree also that fans would in all cases try to protect or avoid players diving into the stands for a loose ball - I think more of a problem would be incidental caontact with a fan not paying attention and a player running the baseline etc- the player could easily feel the contact was 'purposeful' and take exception...  and the refs need space as they run the baseline deep in many situations....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 19, 2009, 11:19:16 am
i guess i do see your point, its just kind of frusterating sometimes i guess. ALSO it would be nice if blackburn would just fork up the money for a new gym/athletics center, and that in turn would get them more students/athletes. Look what happened to IC when they got theirs!   i know its not quite that simple, but it would be nice if it was! ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 19, 2009, 11:34:02 am
At this point in time, I just hope Blackburn and Mac can continue to exist as schools with athletic programs, much less find funds for new facilities....  it's tough out there.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 19, 2009, 12:06:52 pm
At this point in time, I just hope Blackburn and Mac can continue to exist as schools with athletic programs, much less find funds for new facilities....  it's tough out there.....

i agree. ive heard rumors about mac closing for about the last 4 years, that is probably why they are rumors. but yes times are very hard and being such small schools doesnt help their financial status one bit.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on February 19, 2009, 02:14:12 pm
I understand that security has a job to do, but seriously, no one was in the front row..just like there never is, nor did anyone come close to being on the court. The only thing going on in our stands was cheering, chanting, and goofing off. It is rediculous for security to do that to us especially when we probably had about 25 kids cheering.
As someone said in the stands lastnight, if they already had secuirty on us for lastnights game, there goin to need the entire police department to settle us down on the 24th! Haha..
Also, my apologies if I led people on to believe that Mim had to do with the rule of no one in the front row, the SLIAC handed down this rule and she was to enforce it upon us.
But as stated earlier by one and only, little by little Blackburn is deminishing what fun Blackburn used to be...its a campus built and run by the students..and that's how I felt here 4 years ago..but it gets worse as each year goes by. I know Blackburn has some tough times right now as well as ahead of them, but please don't punish us for the ignorances of others...
Common Beavers...let's finish this season out strong!
Go Beavers!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 19, 2009, 04:27:14 pm
Hope fan, Blackburn's first game at Marryville this year, the students sat under the basket, and they were loud, rude as they attacks the players and Head Coach of Blackburn. It also bothers me that security got on students last night, as they were just cheering, or booing very loud. Last I thought, both were acceptable ways to express your emotions at a venue.
As for the 24th, I feel that the students should be allowed to come and cheer on their team, with this said, i do not want our student section to do things to upset the officials!!!
Have as much as possible, but it would be nice to cheer some new creative cheers, and not the old corny ones. So Blackburn Fans, I challenge you all to be creative, and make the other team hate that they are hear. You can do that by being as loud as possible every time they have the ball. Watch a Duke game, and see how to turn a court to home court advantage.

Be LOUD!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 19, 2009, 05:52:55 pm
Coach Dubb  -  "they were loud rude and attacked the players and head Coach"  -  if you can give me examples of anything that went over the line, I'd be happy to report it to people at Maryville - I believe in callin for action, not sitting back and complaining.   Just make sure, as you think about it, that it was 'different' from however the Blackburn kids were getting on the opponents last night.    In other words, don't ask for it both ways.  I am in total agreement with you if things were said that were vulgar, profane, racist etc....

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 19, 2009, 07:25:36 pm
Nothing compares to the couches back in the old days at Mac. When the center court was the official floor. No curtain and the bleachers stopped a full court away from the sidelines. Just before game time 6-8 groups with couches game walking in and took front row seats on the opposite sideline. And they were not friendly with the visitors. FU won their first trip to NCAA Tourney in that enviroment, in '96.

Those were the days.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 19, 2009, 07:53:03 pm
Since I've only attended games at Fontbonne I've never really seen much of a crowd. I would be interested in seeing some of the wacky college kids.

And now that the 4 teams have been determined all we need to do is figure out seeds 2-4.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 19, 2009, 10:39:54 pm
Don't blame President Pride for keeping the Blackburn students from standing in the first row of the bleachers at home basketball games. You can blame her for the incredibly stupid decision to drop Football at Blackburn, ...

This should probably be posted on the men's board, but since the former commish mentions football above I will post here.

I have expressed an opinion in the past that perhaps some of the struggling institutions would be better off without football, given what it costs. I have heard the counter arguments that football progams bring in students and generate alumni support, including substantial support from former football players. I know this is the case at many institutions and I would hate to see schools with a century or more football tradition give up football as long as the institution is in decent financial shape. But I believe there are certain circumstances where not having football might be the wiser course.

As some of you know, and as I have posted before, my father-in-law taught at Blackburn for 21 years, retiring in 1977. So my wife grew up in Carlinville and during her time there Blackburn did not have a football team. I believe I read somewhere that the football program began at Blackburn in the mid-70s.

Why did they start a football program in the mid-70s??? I  have no idea. But perhaps it was to help increase enrollment and generate alumni support as the students who played and watched football graduated and showed their loyalty with donations. If that's the reason, then it is logical to ask if it worked. I don't know, but I get the impression that Blackburn is no better off today, enrollment wise and financially, than it was when my father-in-law taught there. So perhaps Blackburn dropping football isn't as dreadful a decision as some feel. I know it hurts the viability of football as a conference sport, and that's too bad. But, just as Maryville has chosen to go to D2, which many posters are sad about, it is their institution and they can do what the want. The same is true for Blackburn.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 19, 2009, 10:46:55 pm
There is a link to an article on the Blackburn website which says "Blackburn Football Celebrates 20 years in 2008". However, when you click the link there is no article.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: SLIAC LEGEND on February 20, 2009, 10:16:13 am
It would be interesting to see how much A. running a D3 football program costs and B. how many student-athletes actually come to the school and pay tuition, and if they offset. 

I hardly doubt any schools make money off it.  Only the fewest of D1 teams make money off football, and even Ohio State is in the red this year.  FL will be in the red also.  I think in this era, schools are staying close to the books on financial responsibility, and in gender equity.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on February 20, 2009, 12:58:54 pm
Unless I'm mistaken:

Many schools started football at a time when male enrollment was declining. Also, it becomes financially feasible to have non-scholarship football with a large roster (65-80 or more), which drives down the per-capita cost (scholarships are a substantial part of the Division I football budget). Additionally, there is very little evidence to support the contention that football significantly impacts fundraising at small colleges.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: thenatural13 on February 20, 2009, 04:15:45 pm
Coach Dubb  -  "they were loud rude and attacked the players and head Coach"  -  if you can give me examples of anything that went over the line, I'd be happy to report it to people at Maryville - I believe in callin for action, not sitting back and complaining.   Just make sure, as you think about it, that it was 'different' from however the Blackburn kids were getting on the opponents last night.    In other words, don't ask for it both ways.  I am in total agreement with you if things were said that were vulgar, profane, racist etc....



Hopefan, reporting incidents hardly get anything done in the SLIAC. and i hate to say anything bad about the SLIAC but its true. I know of ONE person specifically that talked to the Maryville AD about their students actions at last years tourney, AND contacted the commishner of the SLIAC and whoever she could. Needless to say, nothing has changed and everything actually seems to be exactly the same. I hate to see the blackburn students always put down and restrained by the campus security and admin. due to the lack of the size of the gym. All we are trying to do is cheer and have a good time, and it seems like that can even be a problem, yet when we got to other schools, its compeltely different and it seems like there is NO restraints on the other schools students. They can do whatever they want and they dont even HAVE security at the game. That is just my opinion, and HOPE i wasnt trying to single you out or anything its just how i feel about the whole situation that goes down at blackburn every home game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: formersliaccommish on February 20, 2009, 04:56:43 pm
I'm sure my feelings about Blackburn's decision to drop Football are stoked by the great harm it does to SLIAC Football (now no AQ to the NCAA Playoffs in 2010 and beyond) but it will also harm Blackburn. No mention here of Principia also dropping the sport because it should be given credit for keeping Football going as long as it did given the sparse number of players.

How is Blackburn going to replace 40-60 male students, most of whom came there because of Football. As Watchdog correctly pointed out, dozens of colleges and universities have started non-scholarship Football in the last thirty years to bring in male students, fill empty dorm rooms, increase the size of dining hall lines, and give the campus and community five Saturdays of excitement during September and October.  I believe that Blackburn, Greenville, Huntingdon, LaGrange, MacMurray, and Westminster, maybe Eureka although they had Football when Ronald Reagan was there, are among that number. Division I schools like Georgetown, LaSalle, Dayton, and Villanova have revived Football, even played D3 until the rules were changed, and D2 schools like Quincy and Kentucky Wesleyan started it.

What's done is done, and, as y_jack_lok says, Blackburn can do whatever it wants, but I hate to see nearly 400 SLIAC Football student-athletes harmed. Commissioner Wolper and the SLIAC leadership will have to be very creative to redeem this because there are no easy solutions..    
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 20, 2009, 05:37:41 pm
I'm sure my feelings about Blackburn's decision to drop Football are stoked by the great harm it does to SLIAC Football (now no AQ to the NCAA Playoffs in 2010 and beyond) but it will also harm Blackburn. No mention here of Principia also dropping the sport because it should be given credit for keeping Football going as long as it did given the sparse number of players.

Amen -- I was sure that Principia would have been done four or five years ago. It's amazing that they went that long. Between the institutional challenges and all the turnover in staff there they had a lot working against them.

I agree that Blackburn's decision to drop football is short-sighted. They were on the upswing.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 20, 2009, 11:27:16 pm
What's done is done, and, as y_jack_lok says, Blackburn can do whatever it wants, but I hate to see nearly 400 SLIAC Football student-athletes harmed. Commissioner Wolper and the SLIAC leadership will have to be very creative to redeem this because there are no easy solutions..    

As the former commissioner you are in a better position than I am to speak to the situation. And I hear and undertand all that you have said. Still, I can't help but think that perhaps the SLIAC isn't cut out to be a football conference. Seems like it's been a struggle to put enough schools together to get an AQ. Wasn't 2008 the first and only year that has occurred? Now two institutions are dropping the sport, albeit one temporarily we assume. So instead of trying to find schools to bring into the conference, perhaps those schools that want to have football and can sustain a competitive program should turn to other conferences for that sport alone, just as Huntingdon and LaGrange came into the SLIAC for that reason. It's done at other levels as well. My son attends Fordham which plays football in the Patriot League and all other sports in the Atlantic 10. Georgetown also plays football in the Patriot League while playing basketball, and I assume all other sports, in the Big East. Just a thought.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 21, 2009, 10:55:46 am
Just to break it down a little further, Spalding, which is officially joining the conference next season, does not offer football. So if you leave out Huntingdon and LaGrange, since they ae only football affiliates, there are only four true SLIAC schools left with football next season -- Westminster, Greenville, Eureka and MacMurray. And I imagine MacMurray's situation is somewhat tenuous.

So as the former commish says, current commisioner Wollper and the conference leadership are going to have to be very creative.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 21, 2009, 04:17:01 pm
Greenville women defeat Webster... in OT   2 unbelievable highlights  -  Megan Banal of Gville scores 38, Mert Riley of Webster likely had a triple double including double digit blocks!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 21, 2009, 05:38:06 pm
Unbeleiveable score from Prin. PC by 22 over BC. To much MU talk?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 21, 2009, 09:29:41 pm
Just to break it down a little further, Spalding, which is officially joining the conference next season, does not offer football. So if you leave out Huntingdon and LaGrange, since they ae only football affiliates, there are only four true SLIAC schools left with football next season -- Westminster, Greenville, Eureka and MacMurray. And I imagine MacMurray's situation is somewhat tenuous.

So as the former commish says, current commisioner Wollper and the conference leadership are going to have to be very creative.

As long as MacMurray is open as a institution I do not see football going away.  Sports (and football made a majority of this) made up a large percentage of the incoming freshman for this year.  It would not be productive to cut football because at Mac it is a big part of enrollment #'s.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 21, 2009, 10:23:16 pm
When I said MacMurray's situation was somewhat tenuous I was referring to the institution, not the football program. However, I believe that MacMurray will get itself turned around -- slowly but surely.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 22, 2009, 10:45:40 am
I don't know the player, and I don't know the new coach, but with the proper motivation and coaching, Mertie Riley coud be SO good at the SLIAC level.....  let Hoggit and Robinson work with her in the summer and fall and pass on attitude and skills to her... she could be a league MVP, and possibly an All American candidate......  there is a lot being wasted right now.......   why do I say that?

plusses... natural height, great basketball body- she's not a stringbean,  long arms shot blocking skills, good shooting form and touch

minuses... on again off again attitude, mental and physical toughness, footwork and dexterity, moving without the ball, working to get the good shot

I hope this isn't someone who bags it because 'it isn't fun anymore'   she would be a real pleasure to watch the next three years.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 22, 2009, 11:47:19 am
I do not think Mac is out of the woods yet.  This next freshman class will be a good factor in that.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on February 22, 2009, 11:49:30 am
Was anyone at the Blackburn game?  Wonder what happen there. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on February 22, 2009, 01:32:26 pm
Just to clear one thing up, I'm not sure what happened with the loss that the BC women took at Prin but I do know it wasn't because of the MU hype. None of them post on here...I'm sure some may read it but in the end it is US the fans that have been boosting the game on the 24th.
Go Beavers!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 22, 2009, 06:29:46 pm
I was at the Prin vs. B.C game, and I can tell you what happened! Principia played awesome and B.C played lousy!!! So Principia won by 20 plus!!! All due credit to Principia, as they played hard and well.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 23, 2009, 09:25:31 am
Blackburn should hope that Westminster beats Fontbonne this weekend to keep blackburn out of the four spot. Does anyone know who will hold the tie breaker between blackburn and fontbonne? Coach Dubb, You have your work cut out for you. Now lets see what you and these ladies can do to overcome this unexpected loss.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 23, 2009, 09:31:13 am
Two Blackburn upsets tomorrow would be an amazing night!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2009, 09:59:39 am
IF  Maryville beats BC, and Westmin beats Font,  Font and BC tied, Font gets 3rd as they swept BC        Tourney  MU - BC,  FU - WC

IF Maryville beats BC, Font beats Westmin       Tourney   MU - BC, FU - WC

IF BC beats Maryville, Westmin Beats Font       Tourney MU - FU,  BC - WC

IF BC beats Maryville, Font Beats Westmin   3 way tie for 2nd   Font would get 2nd as they swept both BC and Westmin; BC would get third as they split with Westmin, but would have the win vs Maryville
                                                   Tourney  MU- WC,  BC - FU

Simply put, if I didn't mess up the above, Blackburn has to beat Maryville tomorrow, or they'll face them again in the first round....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 23, 2009, 11:37:18 am
IF  Maryville beats BC, and Westmin beats Font,  Font and BC tied, Font gets 3rd as they swept BC        Tourney  MU - BC,  FU - WC

IF Maryville beats BC, Font beats Westmin       Tourney   MU - BC, FU - WC

IF BC beats Maryville, Westmin Beats Font       Tourney MU - FU,  BC - WC

IF BC beats Maryville, Font Beats Westmin   3 way tie for 2nd   Font would get 2nd as they swept both BC and Westmin; BC would get third as they split with Westmin, but would have the win vs Maryville
                                                   Tourney  MU- WC,  BC - FU

Simply put, if I didn't mess up the above, Blackburn has to beat Maryville tomorrow, or they'll face them again in the first round....

Looks like for Blackburn's best outcome they are going to HAVE to win against Maryville and Wesminster is going to have to beat Fontbonne. They cannot get stuck playing maryville in the first round again, they just cant.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on February 23, 2009, 11:38:40 am
With the Principia loss behind you, it's time to re-focus and prepare for a tough Maryville team. This is not the end of the season but rather the beginning of a new season with you entering post-season play.
Good luck tomorrow to both the girls and guys team and hope to get a sweep over Marvyille...
Go Beavers!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 23, 2009, 12:01:54 pm
The Prin game was a huge blow to the Lady Beavers, but i do expect them to shock everyone tomorrow. Even though they didnt play well against prin, i expect that to be a wake up call that you cant just mess around and EXPECT to win. it takes hard work and dedication. Im not saying they dont have that, im saying sometimes as a season winds down some teams lose focus and sometimes take other teams too lightly. good luck tomorrow dubb.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 23, 2009, 05:28:06 pm
Not to rain on anyones parade, but it looks like we are going to have two sets of back to back games. How weird is that?

GO FONTBONNNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2009, 05:30:56 pm
jdoug - hope you'll be able to make it up for the weekend!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 23, 2009, 05:34:11 pm
Not to rain on anyones parade, but it looks like we are going to have two sets of back to back games. How weird is that?

GO FONTBONNNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jdoug, a wiseman once told me, "dont count your chickens before they hatch!"
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 23, 2009, 05:48:37 pm
theoneandonly, not counting them just yet. But I do have a good estimate on their numbers.  ;D But I am rooting for ya. Personally, I still don't think it makes that much of a difference when you play mighty Maryville. The game is still 40 minutes and whichever team has the most points wins.

Hopefan, it doesn't look like the Texans will be able to make the trip. But we will be cheering hard for Lauren and Fontbonne.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 24, 2009, 09:04:23 am
the day that everyone has been talking about has come. I guess about 12 hours from now, this will all be said and done.. then we have the tourney to look forward to!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: flyonthewall on February 24, 2009, 12:00:59 pm
CoachDubb, you're talking about the Maryville fans attacking the coach in a rude manner, but Coach Williams (CoachDubb?????) was not exactly acting professional either. Taunting the students on the baseline and pointing at them when your team scores and clapping and staring them down when a timeout was called is not the best way to handle things. Obviously when the students get in your head and get you to point at them like you are a Blackburn fan instead of a coach, they are going to continue to get in your head...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 24, 2009, 12:23:07 pm
ahhhh   fly, I love it,  always 2 sides to every story.......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 24, 2009, 12:27:07 pm
CoachDubb, you're talking about the Maryville fans attacking the coach in a rude manner, but Coach Williams (CoachDubb?????) was not exactly acting professional either. Taunting the students on the baseline and pointing at them when your team scores and clapping and staring them down when a timeout was called is not the best way to handle things. Obviously when the students get in your head and get you to point at them like you are a Blackburn fan instead of a coach, they are going to continue to get in your head...

I disagree with this, coach dubb does get into the games, and does like to see the crowd getting into it. However i was at that game and didnt notice him pointing out anyone, and hes not the easiest guy to miss (sorry if that is rude).  just because he is clapping and looking around doesnt mean that he was clapping AT your student section. Also if you were on him the whole game yeah he may have looked at you when he called a timeout. but he does have the right to look where ever he wants. and im sure he didnt waste a timeout to sit and stare at you. if its the instance i recall he looked for maybe 2-3 seconds and went to the huddle, that is HARDLY staring down. why would ANY coach waste a timeout to just stare at fans. COME ON.  but yeah i guess there are two sides to every story like hopefan said, and this is the other side of yours.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: flyonthewall on February 24, 2009, 02:33:11 pm
its kind of hard to act like you arent staring down the student section when there is no one behind the students on the baseline and then putting up the two fingers right at the students after a made bucket is pretty dead on.. you cant hide the fact that he did that...i never said he called a timeout to stare at the students but when a timeout was called, he would stare at the students while his girls were coming off the court.... as a i recall, it was obvious to the students that he was doing the two fingers for every bucket because later on in the game, the whole student section would point back at him after every maryville bucket
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 24, 2009, 02:36:37 pm
FORMERSLIACCOMMISH please check out the comment above mine. I KNEW they still did the stuff at the baseline and if i remember correctly you said they didnt, and i got told by like 10 different people you havebeen everywhere and you know what goes on.. Now i understand you have been everywhere and know what goes on BUT i knew this was still happening and you were convinced it wasnt.. BUT as you can CLEARLY see one of Maryville's fans from their fan section has proved that they still do.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on February 24, 2009, 03:41:03 pm
GAME DAY GAME DAY WOO  WOOO!!!
I can't wait to get to the game! It's a big buzz around campus and everyone is so stoked for it. I'm at work eagerly awaiting to get off here in 20min. Got to go lift, shower, then get ready for the Blackout!
Hope to see everyone there!
Go Beavers!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 24, 2009, 04:52:32 pm
oneanonly -  the couches at the baseline were removed - I don't believe anyone said there is no one under the hoop  -  as I stated, the guys stand under the hoop, separated from the floor by folding chairs with a large mat or tarp draped over them.  This barrier keeps fans properly away from the floor - it obviously does not prohibit them from yelling or gesturing, or pounding on the mats.    Only once did I see a player come in contact with the barrier - it's that far back from the floor   -   I think everyone is making a mountain out of a molehill here - once again, if things went to far, there are formal methods to making sure it doesn't happen anymore - that's why the couches were removed.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 24, 2009, 09:10:29 pm
Like I thought. We will have rematches of tonights game for the tourney. Good luck to everone.


GO FONTBONNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 24, 2009, 11:22:59 pm
Just to clear things up...I love it when the fans are loud and supporting their teams. I could care less how loud you cheer or what is said as long as what is said is with in reason. You know that there were some things said by the ppl under the basket, and I looked over there a couple of time to try to see who was saying it. I am not going to repeat what was said, but I did want to win that game just to shut that person up. Good fan cheering is always good, but when you attack players and coaches personally, it's just not the right thing to do. I will be there on Thursday, and I sure that I am not going to waste a timeout, or lose any sleep over those fans. Those same fans were rude last year in the tournament, as they squatted over and shook their butts while we shot free throws. So do what you want, say what you want, just dont make it personal.
As for all the bad stuff said about Coach Ellis, in my opinion, he is a Class Act! His player play hard, and they display great sportsmanship. I wish them the best after Thursday...lol! I will not reply back to any more fan crap!

Great job this year coaches...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 24, 2009, 11:45:44 pm
ahhhh J Doug, wish you would have been here - Loren left the Fontbonne gym in a blaze of glory!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on February 25, 2009, 09:08:37 am
Blackburn just looked overwhelmed last night. Hopefully the get their stuff figured out for thursday since they will be playing maryville once again. Great job by Blackburns student section last night. They were out in full force and the Blackout looked great.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 25, 2009, 11:34:03 am
The Blackburn Student Section was electric, loud and really into the game. Both Teams wanted to say thank you all so much for the support. We all were so excited. We were also excited to have Chevy back.....Great Job!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: llcfan on February 25, 2009, 12:23:30 pm
  It's sad to see but Lindsey Crum of Eureka has played her last game. It's been fun to watch.  She did well considerig a 2 year abscence from playing basketball of any kind.

re-post with spelling error fixed
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: juniormint on February 25, 2009, 01:17:41 pm
Concerning the students on the baseline, are you talking about at Maryville or Blackburn?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: juniormint on February 25, 2009, 01:21:12 pm
Nevermind, I saw the post. 

Do Maryvilles students ever dress like hot dogs and other crazy suits anymore?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on February 25, 2009, 02:25:54 pm
JrMint - Lately, the best dressed MU students I've seen, have been on the "Hill" at soccer games. No Hot Dogs, though. You think yelling gets out of hand? Anyone. Attend an important soccer match. LOL
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 25, 2009, 05:02:02 pm
Hopefan, thanks for the kind words concerning  Lauren. I got a text from her last night about the game. She was excited about the win and looking forward to the rematch Thursday.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 25, 2009, 10:46:43 pm
Any predictions on the playoffs?

My picks are Font over West.  And Maryv over Blck. 

For the championship....... Fontbonne with a huge upset.
 ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on February 25, 2009, 11:15:31 pm
For the championship....... Fontbonne with a huge upset.
 ;D


I have not gained much credibility in predicting the women's games, but I say Maryville wins it all by beating Blackburn and then Westminster after WC knocks FU out. I should add that this prognostication is not the way I would like it to be, but the way I think it will be.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 26, 2009, 07:43:50 am
Eureka ended the season with a 76-55 over MacMurray Tuesday to sweep the season series. Mac was up 51-49 with about 7:30, but Eureka finished the game on a 27-4 run. Lindsey Crum scored 15 points in the last 6 minutes. It was a nice way to send off EC senior Kim Downs, who hopefully will see her name on the All Defensive team. Eureka finished the season with just 5 wins, but 3 came in the last 5 games, so maybe something can be taken into the offseason and we'll have a better year in 2009-10.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 26, 2009, 07:51:42 am
By the way, my unofficial picks for the SLIAC end of season awards are as follows:

1st Team
Speer (PC) - Player of the Year
Wemlinger (MU)
Wilhelm (MU)
Shipley (BC)
Kirby (FU)

2nd Team
Lowe (MC)
Hawkey (BC) - Newcomer of the Year
Backes (WC)
Stanfill (WC)
Crum (EC)

HM
Bergheger (MU)
Banal (GC)
Reilly (WU)
Meyer (WU)
Vollmer (MC)

Coach of the Year - Braden (WC)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 26, 2009, 11:52:27 am
Will any other posters be joining me at the women's semis tonite (besides Coach Dubb)???    for you newbies, I'll be behind MU bench (far bench) about half way up...   Feel free to say hi......

Looking forward to meeting Coach Dubb......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 26, 2009, 12:03:26 pm
Incidently - thanks to EC for giving us his forecast of All conference on the women's side - I'll not attempt that task, as I simply am not that familiar with several of the teams - teams that evidently have some of the best players in the league....

HOWEVER - my opinion is that Fontbonne is going to feel grossly unappreciated when they review EC's prognostications.   Here's a team tied for 2nd, who played Maryville to margins of 7 and 3...  Having seen them a number of times this year, I've got to think that Calli Collier, and possibly Mallory Ludwig deserve some kind of recognition..... If there was an all frosh team, Kendra Shilli would be a leading candidate..
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 26, 2009, 02:35:30 pm
Hey Eureka SID, please explain to me how Vollmer (top 3 in conference in points and rebounds) not be 1st team all conference. Secondly, how can Hawkey not be 1st Team?

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on February 26, 2009, 02:37:50 pm
Hopefan - Though we have met before I will be at the game tonight. Hope to get a chance to meet up! :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 26, 2009, 03:28:47 pm
Coach, you need to be concentrating on why your team got blown out on Tuesday and how you're going to turn it around tonight, not the trivial baloney like fans wagging their rears when your kids are shooting foul shots (as you posted after tuesday's game) or who someone thinks is All conference (as you have posted before tonight's game).

Coming on here and being professional and building up the team or the league or discussing basketball philosophy is great - is much appreciated by me - but getting involved in the other stuff, especially in season at THIS TIME of the SEASON, is a tad (alot) bizarre......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: llcfan on February 26, 2009, 05:37:25 pm
Hey Eureka SID, please explain to me how Vollmer (top 3 in conference in points and rebounds) not be 1st team all conference. Secondly, how can Hawkey not be 1st Team?

  Coach I'm not quite as up on the players as either you or Eureka Sid but I'd say he's got it pretty close. I'd say Lowe would be first team before Vollmer.  I'm surprised with her shooting and points that Lowe wouldn't be higher on Ft percentage?
Vollmer is 4th in conference in pts per gm as of the last game

  I think Crum doesn't get quite enough credit but I'll have to admit I'm biased of course as I'm her father LOL
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 26, 2009, 06:17:19 pm
Hopefan, whats gonna happen will happen....Either the team is ready to play or not. Me coming on here to share my ideas has nothing to do with me being ready or not. It does not matter who does what on the sidelines, I was merely setting the record str8. Win or lose, my team will play hard! So sit back and enjoy the game. I do want to thank you for worrying about me and my mindset for the game. Being born and raised on the westside of chicago has taught me to be calm, and not worry about things that I can't control! Make sure you come over and introduce yourself, as it will be great to put a face with a name.

Good luck to all four teams tonight, and stay healthy!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 26, 2009, 08:41:05 pm
Hopefan, I have to agree with you concerning Font not having much rep on eurekasids list. Font did finish second in conf and is the only team to play Maryville tough twice. Calli Collier has to get some love as well.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 26, 2009, 08:58:27 pm
Fontbonne with a convincing win 71-52. Since Font is not really know for defense... was West just really off tonight ?


Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 26, 2009, 11:11:02 pm
Hey Eureka SID, please explain to me how Vollmer (top 3 in conference in points and rebounds) not be 1st team all conference. Secondly, how can Hawkey not be 1st Team?



1. I'll start with Vollmer. The reason she isn't any higher has much to do with her 36.8 field goal percentage. For someone that took 250 of her 280 shots from inside the arc, that is below average to put it nicely.  Now, she did average a double-double, which is impressive (and why she made my list over some from Fontbonne...more on them in a minute). But, only 1 player on my list had a lower FG%, that being her teammate Lowe. The reason Lowe was higher is she shot more from the outside and, quite frankly, when most teams start game-planning against Mac, they start the discussion with Lowe, then worry about Vollmer 2nd, which tells me Lowe was facing better defenders.

Mac deserves credit for out-performing the preseason predictions, but 4-12 really isn't that great. Plus, Mac didn't play the best defense, seeing as how Eureka had its 2 highest scoring games of the season against them.

2. On to Hawkey. As with any all-conference team, if you want to move someone up, someone has to come down. I'm guessing you wouldn't be moving down Speer of Shipley. Despite your claim that Hawkey is the best all-around player in the league, for my money, Wemlinger is better in most areas. Plus, she brings more of a veteran presence and calmness to the floor as she is a senior. Similarly, Wilhelm would also have much better stats if she played more than 22 minutes/game. When you extrapolate her stats out to the 34 minutes that Hawkey played, it's no contest. Maryville ran the table this year and Wemlinger and Wilhelm were their 2 top guns. They should be recognized as such.

Kirby gets the nod over Hawkey because her percentages are much better. She was the best 3-point shooter in the league, led the nation in FT%, and was the best player on the 2nd place team in the conference. Hawkey's 2 extra points per game have more to do with her taking 50 more shots and playing 4 more minutes than with her being a better player. In head to head match ups, Fontbonne took both games as well.

I thought I was doing Hawkey a favor by putting her as Newcomer of the Year. One could make the argument someone much more dear to me, Lindsey Crum of Eureka, had better stats:

Hawkey: 40.1 FG%, 39.3 3FG% (33-84), 73.5 FT%, 15.7 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 3.0 apg, 16 stl, 4 blk.

Crum: 45.7 FG%, 39.1 3FG% (34-87), 73.8 FT%, 18.6 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 2.1 apg, 18 stl, 9 blk.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 26, 2009, 11:40:06 pm
I am now a Coach Dubb fan  -  great attitude during the game - and the nice gesture of saying hi to me before I could say hi to him.... now, all Blackburn needs is about 3 players 5'10" or better, and maybe some work on the point to keep the offense under control.  Hawkey and Shipley are nice players (though Shiply had a non game hampered by fouls all night), and  with all the quickness to the hoop, Schultze fits in as a nice perimeter threat.   

With MU gone next year, I now see four teams returning similar talent levels next year that should compete ----Font, Webster, BC and Westmin.... I'm not familiar with Prin and Mac, EC seemed behind and Greenville will miss Banal.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 27, 2009, 12:19:12 am
Incidently - thanks to EC for giving us his forecast of All conference on the women's side - I'll not attempt that task, as I simply am not that familiar with several of the teams - teams that evidently have some of the best players in the league....

HOWEVER - my opinion is that Fontbonne is going to feel grossly unappreciated when they review EC's prognostications.   Here's a team tied for 2nd, who played Maryville to margins of 7 and 3...  Having seen them a number of times this year, I've got to think that Calli Collier, and possibly Mallory Ludwig deserve some kind of recognition..... If there was an all frosh team, Kendra Shilli would be a leading candidate..

I would like to take all the credit for Fontbonne's win as my post obviously fired up the Griffins to the point they became an irresistible force tonight.

But seriously folks, I just couldn't bring myself to put a 2nd Griffin on the my list. Collier seems to have the most support from others on this board, but the facts are she shot 34% from the field and 31% on threes in a gym with by far the friendliest rims I've ever seen. And she had to get hot at the end of the year just to get that high. She didn't exactly make a great first impression on me with her 2-12 showing at Eureka either. She deserves a lot of credit for the Griffins great end to the year, though, and her reward is getting to continue her season. Many that are on my Unofficial All-Conference Team, as awesome of an honor as it may be  ;D, would gladly trade it in for a chance to keep playing. It was a tough call, and she was the next to last player I eliminated.

At the end of the day, one of the top reasons I would have put Collier on my list would have been that her teammates were better. That doesn't seem like a good reason to put someone on an all-conference team to me.

Who was the last person eliminated? Kendra Schilli. The more I think about it, the more I wish I would have put her on my team. If I was starting a team for next year using only returning players from the conference, she would be one of them. Maybe the fact that Collier, Schilli and Ludwig all had similar seasons will actually hurt each of their individual chances of landing on the all-conference team. If there ends up being 2 or 3 Griffins on the all-conference team, I won't argue (unless it's at the expense of a Red Devil  ;)). Fontbonne had, and is still having, a good season.

But, if you want to compare stats, take a look at the 3 Griffins compared to someone from Eureka (frosh Lisa Byard) that also did not make my all-conference team:

Collier: 32.4 min, 34.4 FG%, 30.8 3FG% (36-117), 85.9 FT%, 14.3 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.1 apg, 16 stl, 3 blk

Ludwig: 19.6 min, 60.2 FG%, 0-0 3FG, 71.9 FT%, 11.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 0.6 apg, 9 stl, 17 blk

Schilli: 28.6 min, 50.0 FG%, 28.6 3FG% (2-7), 75.6 FT%, 10.0 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 1.9 apg, 37 stl, 4 blk

Byard: 29.6 min, 45.0 FG%, 0-0 3FG, 63.7 FT%, 13.1 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 0.4 apg, 10 stl, 6 blk.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 27, 2009, 01:23:06 am
Well my season is offically over, and I just wanted to thank my team, staff and administration for all the hard work that was put in. I also want to thank all of our fans that supported us all year. Good luck to both teams playing in the championship game.

I will take a week off, then I will start to prepare for next season. See you all later.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 27, 2009, 01:24:49 am
I am now a Coach Dubb fan  -  great attitude during the game - and the nice gesture of saying hi to me before I could say hi to him.... now, all Blackburn needs is about 3 players 5'10" or better, and maybe some work on the point to keep the offense under control.  Hawkey and Shipley are nice players (though Shiply had a non game hampered by fouls all night), and  with all the quickness to the hoop, Schultze fits in as a nice perimeter threat.   

With MU gone next year, I now see four teams returning similar talent levels next year that should compete ----Font, Webster, BC and Westmin.... I'm not familiar with Prin and Mac, EC seemed behind and Greenville will miss Banal.

Thanks for coming out to support us Hopefan!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 27, 2009, 01:28:57 am
Hey Eureka SID, please explain to me how Vollmer (top 3 in conference in points and rebounds) not be 1st team all conference. Secondly, how can Hawkey not be 1st Team?



1. I'll start with Vollmer. The reason she isn't any higher has much to do with her 36.8 field goal percentage. For someone that took 250 of her 280 shots from inside the arc, that is below average to put it nicely.  Now, she did average a double-double, which is impressive (and why she made my list over some from Fontbonne...more on them in a minute). But, only 1 player on my list had a lower FG%, that being her teammate Lowe. The reason Lowe was higher is she shot more from the outside and, quite frankly, when most teams start game-planning against Mac, they start the discussion with Lowe, then worry about Vollmer 2nd, which tells me Lowe was facing better defenders.

Mac deserves credit for out-performing the preseason predictions, but 4-12 really isn't that great. Plus, Mac didn't play the best defense, seeing as how Eureka had its 2 highest scoring games of the season against them.

2. On to Hawkey. As with any all-conference team, if you want to move someone up, someone has to come down. I'm guessing you wouldn't be moving down Speer of Shipley. Despite your claim that Hawkey is the best all-around player in the league, for my money, Wemlinger is better in most areas. Plus, she brings more of a veteran presence and calmness to the floor as she is a senior. Similarly, Wilhelm would also have much better stats if she played more than 22 minutes/game. When you extrapolate her stats out to the 34 minutes that Hawkey played, it's no contest. Maryville ran the table this year and Wemlinger and Wilhelm were their 2 top guns. They should be recognized as such.

Kirby gets the nod over Hawkey because her percentages are much better. She was the best 3-point shooter in the league, led the nation in FT%, and was the best player on the 2nd place team in the conference. Hawkey's 2 extra points per game have more to do with her taking 50 more shots and playing 4 more minutes than with her being a better player. In head to head match ups, Fontbonne took both games as well.

I thought I was doing Hawkey a favor by putting her as Newcomer of the Year. One could make the argument someone much more dear to me, Lindsey Crum of Eureka, had better stats:

Hawkey: 40.1 FG%, 39.3 3FG% (33-84), 73.5 FT%, 15.7 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 3.0 apg, 16 stl, 4 blk.

Crum: 45.7 FG%, 39.1 3FG% (34-87), 73.8 FT%, 18.6 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 2.1 apg, 18 stl, 9 blk.
Eureka  SID,

there is no right or wrong answer, I just enjoy talking about the game. I do like what you wrote about maryville, and I do beleive that they should have several players on the 1st team. I still beleive that Vollmer, rather she has a low shooting percentage or not should somehow be on the 1st team..now who comes off, I have no idea...LOL! I just think that she does a great job, and her stats for scoring and rebounds are very close to speer. But anyways, it was good discussing this, and I look forward to more great post by you.

I am going to baltimore for spring break and I am gonna come back and start preparing for next season..good luck the rest of the year.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on February 27, 2009, 06:41:10 pm
I am sticking with my prediction.

Fontbonne with a huge upset of Maryville. Here's hoping the Griffins 3's will be falling.


GO FONTBONNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 28, 2009, 12:11:57 am
Given the two previous results  with Fontbonne staying close, yes it's a possibility. But I'll tell you Jdoug, Maryville - at least their first 8 or 9 players - just looked great last night...   unfortunately I won't be able to attend tomorrow - best of luck and congrats to both teams for outstanding seasons.......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: sully309 on February 28, 2009, 01:04:40 am
Coach Dubb, a wise man once said, an intelligent person can see both sides. I think we both can see both sides.

I hope we end up with a competitive game Saturday. Other SLIAC teams have been able to play Maryville close more often than I thought they would at the beginning of the season and Fontbonne has been the team that's done it twice.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 28, 2009, 06:38:41 pm
Coach Dubb, a wise man once said, an intelligent person can see both sides. I think we both can see both sides.

Does it stand the test of logic, then, that you are both intelligent people?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: jdoug2 on March 01, 2009, 12:38:53 pm
Congratulations to Maryville. I wish them luck in the tourney.

On a personal note, it was a sad day for myself and all of Lauren's family. Since she is a senior it will be the last time she puts on a uniform and plays ball. I've watched her play since she was 10 and enjoyed every moment. It's amazing how she has grown both on and off the court. I think playing ball has been nothing but a tremendous experience for her. Helped instill discipline. Understand teamwork. And given her countless friends and connections. But I'll still miss watching her play. Miss her taking that 3. Playing some defense. Having fun playing with her teammates. Thanks to all of you on the board who would give updates on the Fontbonne games. It was great to read about the games that I couldn't attend. To all the seniors whose season and careers are over.... thanks.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on March 01, 2009, 01:22:04 pm
I think playing ball has been nothing but a tremendous experience for her. Helped instill discipline. Understand teamwork.

This is an excellent observation, and I believe an accurate one. In my 34 year career in the business world, I found former athletes to be among the very best people I worked with, and I think a lot of it had to do with the teamwork mentality they had developed. Whatever Lauren decides to do, that will be a strong attribute for her.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 02, 2009, 12:01:37 pm
Maryville travels to Wisconsin in their D3 swan song  -  a shame they aren't at Wash U......  they already been referred to as "cake" in the Wisconsin room.....    go get em Saints.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on March 02, 2009, 01:42:42 pm
when will all conference be posted? ???
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 02, 2009, 01:44:41 pm
it has been  -  go to sliac.org  -  i't been there since Saturday night.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on March 02, 2009, 01:47:17 pm
yep, scratch that last post,


 Congrats to all of the ALL CONFERENCE PLAYERS!


FIRST TEAM ALL-SLIAC     
NAME    SCHOOL
Sierra Shipley    Blackburn
Kathryn Kirby    Fontbonne
Abby Lowe    MacMurray
Sara Wemlinger    Maryville (Mo.)
Christina Speer    Principia
     
SECOND TEAM ALL-SLIAC    
NAME    SCHOOL
Aerial Hawkey    Blackburn
Meredith Banal    Greenville
Allie Wilhelm    Maryville (Mo.)
Rachel Backes    Westminster (Mo.)
Ashley Stanfill    Westminster (Mo.)
     
HONORABLE MENTION ALL-SLIAC    
NAME    SCHOOL
Lindsey Crum    Eureka
Calli Collier    Fontbonne
Taylor Vollmer    MacMurray
Samantha Maines    Maryville (Mo.)
Katy Meyer    Webster
     
ALL-DEFENSIVE TEAM    
NAME    SCHOOL
Kaitlin Bramel    Fontbonne
Megan McCabe    Maryville (Mo.)
Sara Wemlinger    Maryville (Mo.)
Christina Speer    Principia
Heather Collums    Westminster (Mo.)
     
PLAYER OF THE YEAR    
Christina Speer    Principia
     
NEWCOMER OF THE YEAR    
Aerial Hawkey    Blackburn
     
CO-COACHES OF THE YEAR    
Chris Ellis    Maryville (Mo.)
Tracey Braden    Westminster (Mo.)
     
SPORTSMANSHIP AWARD    
Principia College
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on March 03, 2009, 04:51:28 pm
Maryville University may have got the most unusual draw of either brackets. With the NCAA's known effort to spend as little as possible, they escaped going to Wash U. to play the Bears and will drive right past IWU.

Let's go Saints take advantage and get a win.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on March 03, 2009, 05:24:48 pm
Good Luck Coach Ellis and the Saints of maryville, represent our conference well.

Drive safe, as you have a long drive up to the Cheese land!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 03, 2009, 08:23:36 pm
Maryville University may have got the most unusual draw of either brackets. With the NCAA's known effort to spend as little as possible, they escaped going to Wash U. to play the Bears and will drive right past IWU.

Let's go Saints take advantage and get a win.

That's because the NCAA only has two official travel distances:  Inside 500 miles and outside 500 miles.  They don't care if you're 100 miles of 450 miles away. That's all the same to them.  Otherwise, there would be no variety in the brackets at all.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on March 04, 2009, 02:40:03 am
Just Bill - If Maryville would have been sent to Wash U, like so many other SLIAC Champs have in numerous sports. There would be $0 travel expense.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Just Bill on March 04, 2009, 07:22:02 pm
Just Bill - If Maryville would have been sent to Wash U, like so many other SLIAC Champs have in numerous sports. There would be $0 travel expense.

Who said any different?  I'm just telling you that the NCAA doesn't look beyond inside 500 and outside 500.  They simply can't go around the whole bracket accounting for every possible travel scenario, so that's how they do it.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on March 10, 2009, 04:29:36 pm
Well with the new alignment of the conference next year, I really like the Lady Griffin's chances.

They will definately miss Katie Kirby and the leadership of Lauren Crain. But, they also return a ton. Calli Collier will be a junior, three well experienced sophmores in Bramel, Schili and Ludwig.

They will also have avialable the girl who would of probably lead them in scoring this year. She had knee surdery before the year even started. Very nice 5'10 power forward, with good hands and a nice shot. This girl will be fun to watch develop in the SLIAC.

Next Year looks to be fun and wide open.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on April 08, 2009, 10:51:47 am
congrats to coach dubb on being granted a jv team next season. HOWEVER i do find this hard to comprehend for the fact that they have a hard time keeping a varsity team full. How do you intend to bring in so many players coach dubb?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on April 08, 2009, 02:46:13 pm
Blackburn is a unique institution that is the right place for a certain type of student. I think coach dubb said in a post a while back that he "sells" the school to students it is most suited to educate, as well he should. If he finds the right students I see no reason why he can't get a significant number of them to enroll and build a strong women's basketball program, with enough players to have a JV squad as well.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on April 09, 2009, 12:01:02 pm
I agree with this statement, but he has a lot of selling to do.. AND as seen before he has a hard time selling the program. Because he always ends up finishing the year up with around 5 players quitting, and many backing out at the last minute because they are told bogus information. I see understand the concept and what Blackburn is trying to do ( keep more students since they cut football), BUT i dont see this plan working. I will put money on the J.V. Players ending up playing J.V. and varsity due to lack of players.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on April 09, 2009, 10:43:31 pm
Well, you are clearly closer to the situation than I am and you express some significant conerns. I will say this, however: From my observation coach dubb is a major improvement over his predecessor, who seemd to have no patience with his players when they made the slightest mistake. I observed him several times on the sidelines almost ridiculing his own players either while play was in progress, or during time outs. Every coach gets exasperated with their players at times, but coach dubb treats his players much better than the jerk who preceded him. He has only been there two years. Hopefully he will continue to make strides with the program. And it is certainly likely that if there is a jv program some players will play both jv and varsity up to the maximum allowable total of 25 regular season games. Time will reveal how all this goes.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on April 09, 2009, 10:55:48 pm
, and many backing out at the last minute because they are told bogus information.

Wow. Wow. I sure hope I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say. If you are implying he is lying to recruits you are treading on thin ice. A coach's whole rep depends on his word. And, unless you have documentation or a very creditable witness that will come on here and use their name to testify to this statement, I would deleted it as soon as possible. Please tell me I read that wrong.

BC should be in a really good position considering the type of school they are. In this state of the economy, it is a very attractive oppurtunity. I know College of the Ozarks (similar type school) is expecting an increase in applications. I see know reason why he can't get the numbers. His contacts in Chicago, put him in the position to recruit the type of students that need this kind of financial advantage.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on April 09, 2009, 11:05:44 pm
My 1st question is to the one and only, why are you so worried about blackburn and our jv team for next year? I find it funny that people are on here worried about me and how well I will recruit. Seems to me that I have done a good job of recruiting, especially since I have had the new comer of the year the during my only two seasons in the SLIAC!! I also have the two best all around players in the conference, so I must be doing something right.

Secondly, we have never been down to 5 players, and if we were, I guess that means that some pretty good coaching was taking place, especially since Blackburn has won more games each year since I have been the coach.

As far as people quitting, yes this is true, players have quit for a couple of reasons:
1. They did not want to follow my rules.
2. The did not want to work hard and came with other excuses to leave
3. Because of heatlth reasons.

I also ask several of these so call quitters to leave, as I felt that they did not fit.

For everyone else, don't worry, we will have 25 people on our roster that will work hard, follow all the rules and put the team first. I have already received more commits than I need to field both teams. So continue to worry about me, and continue to doubt me, as all it does is make me work harder!!

So to all the people a Blackburn that continue to talk bad about our school for ropping football and for making decisions that were made by the powers that be, I hope that you are in the stands next year for both games, JV and Varsity.

Thanks for thinking about me! God loves you and Ido too!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on April 09, 2009, 11:11:28 pm
, and many backing out at the last minute because they are told bogus information.

Wow. Wow. I sure hope I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say. If you are implying he is lying to recruits you are treading on thin ice. A coach's whole rep depends on his word. And, unless you have documentation or a very creditable witness that will come on here and use their name to testify to this statement, I would deleted it as soon as possible. Please tell me I read that wrong.

BC should be in a really good position considering the type of school they are. In this state of the economy, it is a very attractive oppurtunity. I know College of the Ozarks (similar type school) is expecting an increase in applications. I see know reason why he can't get the numbers. His contacts in Chicago, put him in the position to recruit the type of students that need this kind of financial advantage.
If I lied to recruits, why do I have thebetter ones still here? To say that I lied to recruits is like saying Michael Jordan is the 5th best player ever to play. I love all this attention though...FCNEWS, you know me, and I am willing to allow any of my current players be asked if I have ever lied to them. This all boils down to there are some people that are mad at coach dubb, and want to drag his name through the mud....go ahead and try, and in the end, I will be smiling while we win!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on April 09, 2009, 11:16:03 pm
Kudos Coach. As a former coach you handled that better then I would of. I approached you a both FU games and complimented you on your teams performances. Also, inquired about my favorite BC players injury status. I believe the conference better watchout for the BC team next year, cause you may be the favorite.

Keep grinding Coach. Great things are in your and your teams future.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on April 09, 2009, 11:24:06 pm
FCNEWS, it will not do me any good to go postal on here as that's what people expect. As for the conference favorite, it will not be Blackburn unless we commit to 3 things:

1. Rebounding
2. Playing hard the whole game
3. Offensive execution

Fontbonne beat us twice last year and Coach Quigley is a great coach, so I would say that they are the team to beat. webster and Wesmin both have top players returning, and we all know that Coach Molholland at Greenville is a coaching guru.
Prin, Eureka and Mac will not be easy visits for anyone, and lets not forget that Spaulding is joinng the conference, and they arenot coming to lose.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on April 09, 2009, 11:45:57 pm
Also, I know what you mean about lighting alittle extra fire. There was a (then) MU poster on the mens room that suggested Coach McKinney should listen to his peers and retire. Good thing his wife didn't tell him the whole quote. He'd of missed "3" straight trips to the NCAA Tournament. ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on April 13, 2009, 04:34:56 pm
, and many backing out at the last minute because they are told bogus information.

Wow. Wow. I sure hope I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say. If you are implying he is lying to recruits you are treading on thin ice. A coach's whole rep depends on his word. And, unless you have documentation or a very creditable witness that will come on here and use their name to testify to this statement, I would deleted it as soon as possible. Please tell me I read that wrong.

BC should be in a really good position considering the type of school they are. In this state of the economy, it is a very attractive oppurtunity. I know College of the Ozarks (similar type school) is expecting an increase in applications. I see know reason why he can't get the numbers. His contacts in Chicago, put him in the position to recruit the type of students that need this kind of financial advantage.

NO not coach dubb telling bogus information, the school in general. This whole convo has gone haywire! i was just saying good luck on getting enough girls for a jv team. THAT IS ALL. no harm was intended at all! Coach dubb if you look at my last posts, IVE SUPPORTED YOU ALL SEASON. so you got defensive fast! I wasnt saying that you were lying to recruits and if thats how it was interpreted I appologize for that. But if you look back at my posts from BBALL season i praised you every time you guys won and was on your side in most scuffles on here and looked for strong points when you were unfortunate and lost. All i was merely trying to state was that it might be hard for blackburn to get that many girls to commit to play. NOT drag your name through the mud. I think you're a great coach and love watching your girls play and you coach. So i appologize if you took my post the wrong way. Once again were at the hands of the net, and people can misinterpret everything and anything.. and this seems to be one of those cases. Sorry for the mix up, but no need to think im trying to call you out or drag you down!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on April 14, 2009, 12:14:52 am
Thanks one and only,

we all did think that you were saying that I was lying to recruits, so I am so GLAD that you cleared that up. You have been very supportive, and I hope that you continue to be, especially since I know who you are..LOL! I do feel much better now, as us Cubs guys must stick together.

As for the school losing ppl, I do not see that happening. I already have 13 room deposits paid, and I have another 9 players that will commit to Blackburn as well. There has only been a few players that have quit or been kicked off that have bothered me, and one is really close to your heart. The rest of them......you fill in the blank!

So there are no hard feelings, and we have a couple of transfers that will shock a lot of people. So stay tuned.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on April 14, 2009, 09:23:41 am
Thanks one and only,

we all did think that you were saying that I was lying to recruits, so I am so GLAD that you cleared that up. You have been very supportive, and I hope that you continue to be, especially since I know who you are..LOL! I do feel much better now, as us Cubs guys must stick together.

As for the school losing ppl, I do not see that happening. I already have 13 room deposits paid, and I have another 9 players that will commit to Blackburn as well. There has only been a few players that have quit or been kicked off that have bothered me, and one is really close to your heart. The rest of them......you fill in the blank!

So there are no hard feelings, and we have a couple of transfers that will shock a lot of people. So stay tuned.

Coach Dubb,
 Perhaps you dont know who I am... because, I, Theoneandonly, am not a cubs fan!  ;D GO INDIANS! and THANK FOR KERRY WOOD!

 AND, transfers are always fun, instant talent some may say.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on April 17, 2009, 04:03:18 pm
Thanks one and only,

we all did think that you were saying that I was lying to recruits, so I am so GLAD that you cleared that up. You have been very supportive, and I hope that you continue to be, especially since I know who you are..LOL! I do feel much better now, as us Cubs guys must stick together.

As for the school losing ppl, I do not see that happening. I already have 13 room deposits paid, and I have another 9 players that will commit to Blackburn as well. There has only been a few players that have quit or been kicked off that have bothered me, and one is really close to your heart. The rest of them......you fill in the blank!

So there are no hard feelings, and we have a couple of transfers that will shock a lot of people. So stay tuned.

Coach Dubb,
 Perhaps you dont know who I am... because, I, Theoneandonly, am not a cubs fan!  ;D GO INDIANS! and THANK FOR KERRY WOOD!

 AND, transfers are always fun, instant talent some may say.
Theoneand only,

That cubs line was a joke, but I dont know who you are...trust me. You have two daughters, just like me!!!!

Who cares about the indians....didn't you see the movie Major Leagues....lol
You can have Wood, he will drive you crazy.
See you around all summer, and I am sure that Jasmine is happy to have a job.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on April 17, 2009, 07:58:48 pm
Anybody else notice that newcomer Spaulding had a pretty nice team last season - they finished 20-6, and won the USCAA national championship - granted, the USCAA is not much more than a conglomeration of small schools and regional campuses - but a national championship none the less -  they have most of their players back -  5 of their 6 losses were to NCAA D3 schools  -  they beat Westminster by 2.  I would think they should be very competitive in what should be a wide open race for the SLIAC Women's crown
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on April 18, 2009, 09:38:39 am
Very interesting hopefan. Spalding lost their first game of the season to Transylvania by one point in OT. Transy made the NCAA tounament and won its first round game right here in St. Louis against 2008 national champs Howard Payne. Transy then lost to Wash U.

Spalding had 2 wins against Franklin, a team that beat Blackburn last season.

Spalding loses 3 seniors, but 6 of the ten returning players were freshmen last season.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: llcfan on July 04, 2009, 09:40:06 am
  Coach Dubb I've got a tip for you,

  I can share this now that my our dughter Lindsey Crum won't be playing for Eureka college anymore ( despite 2 years of elegibility remaining ).

  Lindsey was recruited our of Washington IL H.S. by Blackburn by a female coach whose name I don't remember.

  During that process we met the head of the art department. I just checked your website and I think it was Bob Huber but I'm ot 100% sure. I remember that he really seemed to know his stuff. If you ever have a recruit who is interested in any form of art have them & the parents talk to him. Blackburn does not offer graphic art which Lindsey wanted. Bob explained how a good foundatation of art basics could still go a long way toward that. More importantly he gave insight that job opportunities do exist for art.

  Even though Lindsey chose not to attend Blackburn, as a parent that guy impressed me. He didn't try to selll Blackburn as he didn't need to. His experience, demeanor and confidence sold Blackburn.

   Good luck you seem like a class guy and I hope this helps.

Sincerly,

Matt Crum
Washington IL
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on July 05, 2009, 08:45:04 pm
llcfan, can you tell us if Lindsey is transferring from Eureka, and if so where? Or is she staying at Eureka and electing not to play basketball anymore? If she is transferring, will she be playing at her new school?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on July 05, 2009, 11:22:58 pm
Mr. Crum,

Thanks so much for the message, and yes, the guy at blackburn's name is Mr. Huber. I wish your daughter much luck, and I hope that she is back on the court soon.

Coach Dub
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: llcfan on July 10, 2009, 11:27:47 pm
llcfan, can you tell us if Lindsey is transferring from Eureka, and if so where? Or is she staying at Eureka and electing not to play basketball anymore? If she is transferring, will she be playing at her new school?

Y_jack

  Lindsey is not playing as she will be graduating in December. Apparently she cannot do a full season w/o paying for another semester as she will be a 4.5 yr student vs a 4yr. She would have to pay 4-5-$7,000 ? to effectively play basketball for the second semester. She could play till the end of the semester but she'd have to quit midway through the year. She doesn't feel right about doing that.

  Re eligibility I belive my information is correct. She played 1yr at ICC for which she was a small piece of the puzzle that earned her a Juco National championship ring. She decided to just focus on studying the second year and didn't play. After the 2 years at ICC she went to ISU as a student only.

  Lindsey didn't like the "you're student #1234" approach @ ISU.
  She ended up @ Eureka with no intention of playing sports and was kind of talked into it by a friend as well as plenty of pursuit from the coach as a result of a pickup game during summer gym. Lindsey turned it down twice but the spark of competition finaly changed her mind.
 She didn't seem to do too bad for someone that hadn't picked up a basketball for 2 years! As a family we had a lot of fun watching her again. She is a pretty decent overall athlete as well as a pretty good kid in general.
  Lindsey found out just how much she did miss basketball as she said she had a lof of fun despite playing for a team that didn't win alot of games.

  Clear as mud I know but it's the best I've got.

Thanks,
Lindsey's dad
Matt Crum
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: llcfan on July 10, 2009, 11:42:31 pm
Mr. Crum,

Thanks so much for the message, and yes, the guy at blackburn's name is Mr. Huber. I wish your daughter much luck, and I hope that she is back on the court soon.

Coach Dub

  Coach thanks for the kind words. My wife and I ( and probably Lindsey )will probably still go to a few Eureka games. if I can swing the home game vs Blackburn I'll try to stop and say hello. I'll give you an advance heads up if we are going to make it.

  On a side note just some food for thought
( not just for coach but for everyone ).
  You mentioned players not being the right fit and leaving etc.
  One of the reasons Lindsey didn't originally play was she needed to work to attend college. She also hadn't planned on playing so she had purchased a low priced plane ticket to go to New York at New Years eve. She told the coach no based on not being able to commit to a full slate of practices. She didn't feel it was right to be different than the other players.
      The coach said she was willing to be flexible thus Lindsey played. I would imagine being very low on numbers was also a factor.
    I only bring this up as an example of the unique challenges that a coach faces at this level of competition.

  If I were the coach I'm not sure how I would hadle this one and I'm her father! lol
  I didn't bring this up for any particular reason just as a discussion point for the board.

Thanks again

Mr Crum
 
 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on July 11, 2009, 10:30:03 am
Mr Crum, thanks for filling in those details. Congrats to Lindsey on her forthcoming December graduation. It's a tough time to be getting out of college. My son graduated in May (went to Fordham in NYC) and is fighting the good fight to find meaningful work.

For those who don't read the men's SLIAC board, you might want to know that one of the regular contributors to both the men's and women's SLIAC boards, eureka_sid, is no longer at Eureka College. Details are on the SLIAC men's board. You will have to backtrack to page 460.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: llcfan on July 11, 2009, 12:09:21 pm
Man that is too bad about Eureka Sid he was a classy post and had great input.
Eureka will miss him
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 11, 2009, 10:09:54 pm
Thanks one and only,

we all did think that you were saying that I was lying to recruits, so I am so GLAD that you cleared that up. You have been very supportive, and I hope that you continue to be, especially since I know who you are..LOL! I do feel much better now, as us Cubs guys must stick together.

As for the school losing ppl, I do not see that happening. I already have 13 room deposits paid, and I have another 9 players that will commit to Blackburn as well. There has only been a few players that have quit or been kicked off that have bothered me, and one is really close to your heart. The rest of them......you fill in the blank!

So there are no hard feelings, and we have a couple of transfers that will shock a lot of people. So stay tuned.

Coach Dubb,
 Perhaps you dont know who I am... because, I, Theoneandonly, am not a cubs fan!  ;D GO INDIANS! and THANK FOR KERRY WOOD!

 AND, transfers are always fun, instant talent some may say.
Theoneand only,

That cubs line was a joke, but I dont know who you are...trust me. You have two daughters, just like me!!!!

Who cares about the indians....didn't you see the movie Major Leagues....lol
You can have Wood, he will drive you crazy.
See you around all summer, and I am sure that Jasmine is happy to have a job.

Ran across this exchange tonite.  You may be both right: Wood got his 12th save tonite, but only after giving up a 2-run HR to cut a 3 run lead to 1! ;D

BTW, go Tigers! ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: llcfan on July 11, 2009, 10:53:52 pm
I posted this on the men's and thought this should go here too

"Sid,

  Lindsey Crum's dad / parents here. We would like to thank you for all your support for Eureka on the boards and what you did for Eureka in general.
  You're posts were very well written, classy, unbiased and very factual. They in general were a pleasure to read amonst the otherwise often radical nature of posters. You are wise beyond your years as they say. We had no idea you worked for Eureka and thought you were strictly a fan.

   I know enough to know that as an institution Eureka has definitely taken a step backwards with this decision.

  My familiy wishes luck to you and yours in this tough time. Anyone as polished as you will come out fine.

Sincerly,

Matt Crum & Pam Crum
parents of Lindsey Crum"
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on July 12, 2009, 12:41:53 am
Mr. Crum, You echo the sentiments of all the regular posters I know. We all like and respect Brian Sullivan and hope he will appear back on these boards sometime and let us know how he is doing.
Title: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on September 10, 2009, 03:31:22 pm
Good luck to all the SLIAC teams for the 2009-2010 season. May you all stay healthy and play hard.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 03, 2009, 11:08:18 pm
Webster's roster is posted: http://www.websterathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=wbball&roster=48&

Myrtie Riley, the 6' 3" center who played second semester last year is not listed.

No seniors on the roster, which means guard Erin Chesnek, who went out with a knee injury mid-season last year isn't returning. Don't know if she still had eligibility. Even if she did she might have graduated already, or be graduating at the end of this semester.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on October 04, 2009, 02:23:17 am
Myrtie Riley  -   All the potential in the world   -  but she sure didn't seem to want to be playing by the end of lasy year........
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 04, 2009, 10:54:02 am
"lasy" year. Was that a typo or was that an intentional combo of "last" and "lazy"?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on October 04, 2009, 02:26:26 pm
Quite a freudian slip, eh...... ;D ;D ::)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on October 04, 2009, 07:46:29 pm
Riley was tough to defend. I know Coach O, will find a way to replace her productivity.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 22, 2009, 03:32:32 pm
Anyone taking a stab at ranking the teams in the SLIAC this year? Ill give it a go by the end of the day.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 22, 2009, 03:44:30 pm
It's going to be tougher to choose a front-runner this year without Maryville.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 22, 2009, 05:15:54 pm
lol. yah think!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 22, 2009, 09:54:55 pm
Here's my stab.... Thoughts?
I think its finally Blackburn's time to shine. Other than that it was up in the air.

1. Blackburn
2. Westminster
3. Fontbonne
4. Webster
5. Principia
6. MacMurray
7. Greenville
8. Eureka
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 22, 2009, 10:06:14 pm
I think you've got a pretty good handle on it. I would make two groups, my 1-4 would be the same and my 5-8 would be the same, but I'd have to give it more thought before I put them in a specific order. Also, you left out Spalding. There is no historical information on their women's basketball teams on their website or on the D3hoops website, but I think I saw some of their results from last year before they put up their 2009-10 info and it semed like they'd had a good season. Based on that I'd put them in with the top 4 to make a top 5
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 22, 2009, 10:14:35 pm
Just found the results of Spalding's '08-'09 season:

http://www.spaldingathletics.com/Stats/0809/WBasketball/teamcume.htm

They were 20-6 playing a mixture of D3 and non D3 schools. The only SLIAC team they played last season was Westminster at Westminster. Spalding won 61-59.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 22, 2009, 10:47:37 pm
I think Spalding looked like they won the games they should have won and lost to some decent (Centre College) and good (Thomas More and Depauw) d3 opponents. They won their association's national championship:

"The Spalding University women’s basketball team capped off a banner season this past weekend in Uniontown, Pennsylvania by defeating Southern Virginia University in the championship game of the United States Collegiate Athletic Association national tournament.  The Golden Eagles, who reached the Final Four of the tournament a year ago, earned the school’s first national championship in basketball."

alright trying this again with Spalding:

1. Blackburn
2. Spalding
3. Westminster
4. Fontbonne
5. Webster
6. Principia
7. MacMurray
8. Greenville
9. Eureka
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 23, 2009, 12:54:16 am
Thhis season Spalding plays all D3 competition except for two games against St. Mary of the Woods College.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 26, 2009, 01:46:25 pm
Coaches' poll is on the SLIAC website: http://www.sliac.org/headlines/2009-10/bkbpoll_102509.htm

2009 SLIAC Women's Basketball
Pre-Season Coaches' Poll

Rank    Team     

1      Westminster (2)
2      Blackburn (3)
3      Spalding (2)
4      Fontbonne (1)
5      Webster
6      MacMurray
7      Greenville
8      Principia
9      Eureka

Can't find much to disagree with. We'll know in February how it all turns out for real.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on October 29, 2009, 11:38:56 am
The rankings won't matter, as every team in conference will be prepared to fight for a victory. Good luck to all!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on October 29, 2009, 12:42:37 pm
Theory

Maryville has dominated this conference  -  why?  -  in my estimation, because they had the best tie ins to St. Louis schools - the schools that are likely to send kids to more costly small private schools -  These schools (the St. Louis Catholic, Suburban Conference Schools and the Gateway conf) would rarely if ever have kids that go across the river to the Illinois SLIAC schools, and not too often to Westminster.   Westmin gets mid missouri kids, the Illinois schools get small school Illinos kids.

To my way of thinking, if Fontbonne and Webster do things right, THEY should DOMINATE SLIAC Lady's hoops every year.  They have access to more kids, who are better prepared on the court, than the SLIAC competition.  Sure the Gvilles Blackburns etc may get some good players, but to me the numbers that Fontbonne and Webster should pull in means that they win the attrition war... ie if BC loses a player, they may have limited resources on the bench to replace that player with - If Fontbonne, Webster lose a player, they should have far more replacement quality to come back with.  The Illinois SLIAC schools also have to play second fiddle to CCIW schools, as well as the Northern Athletic conference for Illinois kids  -  it's an extremely tough sell....

With Maryville out, the overall quality of the conference falls -  Division 3 minded local kids will have 2 schools to choose from, not 3-  And Maryville may hope to step up their recruiting and not consider a certain level of player that they would have taken before...  These kids should be persuaded to go to Fontbonne or Webster

I really feel that Font and Webster should quickly rise to the top of the conference with their access to more and better players.   If not, something is wrong, and it's not necessarily my thinking.


I often write this kind of stuff but chicken out and don't post  -  but I'll put this one in just to see if anyone  has thoughts of agreement  - or ridicule..!! ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on October 29, 2009, 12:54:48 pm
hopefan, i think you're right.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 29, 2009, 01:37:25 pm
Theory

Maryville has dominated this conference  -  why?  -  in my estimation, because they had the best tie ins to St. Louis schools - the schools that are likely to send kids to more costly small private schools -  These schools (the St. Louis Catholic, Suburban Conference Schools and the Gateway conf) would rarely if ever have kids that go across the river to the Illinois SLIAC schools, and not too often to Westminster.   Westmin gets mid missouri kids, the Illinois schools get small school Illinos kids.

To my way of thinking, if Fontbonne and Webster do things right, THEY should DOMINATE SLIAC Lady's hoops every year.  They have access to more kids, who are better prepared on the court, than the SLIAC competition.  Sure the Gvilles Blackburns etc may get some good players, but to me the numbers that Fontbonne and Webster should pull in means that they win the attrition war... ie if BC loses a player, they may have limited resources on the bench to replace that player with - If Fontbonne, Webster lose a player, they should have far more replacement quality to come back with.  The Illinois SLIAC schools also have to play second fiddle to CCIW schools, as well as the Northern Athletic conference for Illinois kids  -  it's an extremely tough sell....

With Maryville out, the overall quality of the conference falls -  Division 3 minded local kids will have 2 schools to choose from, not 3-  And Maryville may hope to step up their recruiting and not consider a certain level of player that they would have taken before...  These kids should be persuaded to go to Fontbonne or Webster

I really feel that Font and Webster should quickly rise to the top of the conference with their access to more and better players.   If not, something is wrong, and it's not necessarily my thinking.

I often write this kind of stuff but chicken out and don't post  -  but I'll put this one in just to see if anyone  has thoughts of agreement  - or ridicule..!! ;D

Hopefan, have you checked the rosters to verify your theory about where the players at each institution are from ?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: HCACBBALL on October 29, 2009, 01:50:56 pm
Do not underestimate the drive of the Maryville staff either.  Maybe they did get some St. Louis kids, but they also had kids from other areas.  I know they had a very good player from Bloomington, IL.  Their drive to recruit was a major reason why they dominated the SLIAC.  If you want to be successful you have to put the miles on the car and get out and get the talent. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on October 29, 2009, 02:36:08 pm
Hopefan, please tell me how many teams can lose their top players and still do well in this conference. Take Maryville's top two away last year, and I think that they would have suffered a lost or two. Yes the CCIW is a great league, I played in that conference, but I really feel that the SLIAC is up and coming, and that the coaches in this conference need to get more respect.

There are 4 new coaches in this conference (MacMurray, Spaulding, Blackburn, Webster), and if giving time, they all will do really well in the SLIAC. I do agree that the main way to better your team is via recruiting. I can't wait for the day when the SLIAC team makes a run in the NCAA tournament. It's coming!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on October 29, 2009, 02:43:44 pm
Good point Yjak  

for a wierd reason, I can't see Blackburns site from work (the computer police here have somehow determined about 3 years ago that something awful is on the BC athletic site)

but recent rosters depending on whats available shows

Greenville, 3 st Louis kids (2 from Clayton, 1 frosh homeschooler)
Mac ,  4 st louis  - All Frosh!!!!
Eureka, none
Prin, 2 st louis
Westmin  4 st louis

Webster  12 (including a Belleville East)
Fontbonne  8 st louis

given that the 4 from Mac are frosh, as is one from gville, not too many STl kids coming out of last year into this year at the Illinois schools, though as I said, I'm not sure regarding BC........

Wonder if Mac made a concerted effort down here? (2 from Jenning, 1 St Dom's, one from Pkwy North)    the Parkway North girl is 6 ft 2    score 10 pts, 7 rbs per game for a very good parkway north squad  Kianna Hogan; both girls from Jennings played a lot, one averaged 9 points the other 5, and the girl from St Dom's averaged about 8........    not a bad group experience wise....

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on October 29, 2009, 02:50:17 pm
Blackburn has a roster of 23 or 24 and I think 2 are from the St. Louis area. Most of their recruiting is done in the chicagoland area.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on October 29, 2009, 02:52:19 pm
Coach, clearly my advice would be - hit the St Louis recruiting circuit - an affable guy like yourself should be an outstanding recruiter.......  I just don't think a team can win the SLIAC with mostly small town school kids....  

as to your remark regarding a team losing key kids... well Maryville has lost kids year in and year out and still dominated.  Granted, this year they would have needed a heck of a class to continue the streak losing 7 playing seniors......Quite frankly, take away two starters last year, I think their depth was solid enough they still contend, if not win..you have to remember, they really didn't depent on any one player.... though it would be a different makeup without their big girl arounfd the basket.   2nd suggestion for BC  -  get someone over 5'8"  ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on October 29, 2009, 03:06:24 pm
I am from a area with big school, so I do understand that point. There are also some great kids playing in small areas...its important to get a mixture of kids. Take away the big kid from Maryville and Wemlinger, and their games would have been more competitive. I do agree that Maryville had subs that could flat out play, but those two kids for Maryville were special.

As for the height issue, noted. Blackburn will not have that problem this year. 4 Players over 6 feet. Shipley will be playng her natural position (the 3) for her last two years at Blackburn. I am sure that she is happy that she does not have to battle all of them tough post players in the SLIAC anymore. LOL

Lastly, tell your job to stop discriminating against Blackburn so that you can look at the school web-site...lol!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on October 30, 2009, 05:15:19 pm
First and foremost congrats to coach williams on the pre season sliac coaches poll

Rank Team
1 Westminster (2)
2 Blackburn (3)
3 Spalding (2)
4 Fontbonne (1)
5 Webster
6 MacMurray
7 Greenville
8 Principia
9 Eureka

How does it work that westmin had 2 votes and blackburn 3 and they are number 2? Just wondering. It also looks like spalding may make an immediate impact in the SLIAC it would be nice to get some of their fans in this chat room..

ALSO this is directed at coach williams as well. Looks like you have your work cut out for you starting out the season 6 away games, all against pretty good teams. There of course is faith in Blackburn from my end but we are going to have to do some convincing with these other guys.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on October 30, 2009, 05:18:24 pm
This will be somewhat of a humerous post from my part and mean no disrespect... but Illinois basketball vs st louis basketball... You really seem to think highly of St. Louis Ball. Im pretty sure the Bulls have won MANY more championships then..... Oh wait no Missouri Basketball team. HA! This is merely a joke and I hope no one takes offense to this! :)  :)
Theory

Maryville has dominated this conference  -  why?  -  in my estimation, because they had the best tie ins to St. Louis schools - the schools that are likely to send kids to more costly small private schools -  These schools (the St. Louis Catholic, Suburban Conference Schools and the Gateway conf) would rarely if ever have kids that go across the river to the Illinois SLIAC schools, and not too often to Westminster.   Westmin gets mid missouri kids, the Illinois schools get small school Illinos kids.

To my way of thinking, if Fontbonne and Webster do things right, THEY should DOMINATE SLIAC Lady's hoops every year.  They have access to more kids, who are better prepared on the court, than the SLIAC competition.  Sure the Gvilles Blackburns etc may get some good players, but to me the numbers that Fontbonne and Webster should pull in means that they win the attrition war... ie if BC loses a player, they may have limited resources on the bench to replace that player with - If Fontbonne, Webster lose a player, they should have far more replacement quality to come back with.  The Illinois SLIAC schools also have to play second fiddle to CCIW schools, as well as the Northern Athletic conference for Illinois kids  -  it's an extremely tough sell....

With Maryville out, the overall quality of the conference falls -  Division 3 minded local kids will have 2 schools to choose from, not 3-  And Maryville may hope to step up their recruiting and not consider a certain level of player that they would have taken before...  These kids should be persuaded to go to Fontbonne or Webster

I really feel that Font and Webster should quickly rise to the top of the conference with their access to more and better players.   If not, something is wrong, and it's not necessarily my thinking.


I often write this kind of stuff but chicken out and don't post  -  but I'll put this one in just to see if anyone  has thoughts of agreement  - or ridicule..!! ;D

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on October 31, 2009, 04:18:34 am
no way I was comparing St Louis to Chicago   -   rather I was comparing St Louis to the Illinois Midstate and downstate players....   If Coach can persuade Chicago Area kids to play at Blacburn, more power to him... he will win.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on October 31, 2009, 07:47:03 pm
Hopefan, I understood where you were going, but I feel that every coach has to try to recruit everywhere. The goal is to find a few diamonds in the rough. It's very hard to recruit to the SLIAC, when you have all of the NAIA school offering partial athletic scholarships, no matter how small they are. Once a player here scholarship for basketball, they are in. Then we have to contend with the many junior colleges that offer full rides. Last but not least, there is the good ole CCIW...I understand why players would want to go to those schools, I graduated from one of them.
With this said, the SLIAC can and will become a better conference, as the coaching staffs at the various schools are doing a great job at recruiting and player development. If this continues, the SLIAC will get a NCAA tourney win soon.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on October 31, 2009, 09:11:50 pm
With this said, the SLIAC can and will become a better conference, as the coaching staffs at the various schools are doing a great job at recruiting and player development. If this continues, the SLIAC will get a NCAA tourney win soon.

For those who weren't around then, or weren't paying attention to the women at the time, the '01-'02 Webster women made it to the Sweet 16, losing to eventual national champ UW-Stevens Point by 10. Also, I believe a Fontbonne team from a few years earlier won a game or two in the NCAA tourney. Fcnews can confirm if this is correct and add details if it is.

I believe the Maryville teams of the past few years have been some of the best I've seen in the conference and they've been unable to get out of the first round of the NCAAs. I do think the current trend in the SLIAC is upward, however, and I think Coach Will is right -- an NCAA win for a SLIAC women's team will happen -- just hard to know how long that will take.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on October 31, 2009, 11:31:21 pm
Yjak - I believe you mentioned the Lady Griff's from '01. They schocked the basketball world by stopping Wash U's 80+ win streak. A road trip shy of breaking Wodden's record. And the game was never in doubt. This is the same year Wash U. won the National Championship (with Tasha Rodgers).

Fontbonne hosted Rockford in the first round of NCAA's and beat Rockford real bad.
Then went on the road to the hostile enviroment that was Millikin and beat them. Millikin was ranked like #5. Then went to the sweet sixteen at St. Thomas, MN. and let one get away to a good Wartburg game. May have been peaking ahead. A win would have meant a rematch with Wash U. for a trip to the Final Four.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 01, 2009, 07:24:38 am
Wish I had been into it back then FC  -  that had to be incredibly exciting.....  the loss at St Thomas with Wash U possible the next night must have been a crusher.  Did that team have a "star"???
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 01, 2009, 05:16:32 pm
Amy Hauschild was a 5'10 forword (D3hoops AA) and POY in the SLIAC in both BBall and Volleyball. Future AA 5'11 Liz Klotz was a freshmen Newcomer who had a great tourney. Pt guard Mellissa Stewart was All Tourney at Sweet 16 and was the one who predicted as a freshmen that they would beat Wash U before she graduated. Long time FU women's asst. Maureen Roberts was deadly 3pt shooter.

Very Special group. What a game it would of been FU v. WU on a Nuetral site winner goes. Well Wash u took care of business and went on to win it all.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on November 01, 2009, 07:46:40 pm
I well remember Fontbonne's upset and breaking of the Wash U long streak to which fcNews refers, although I was not at that game. I was, however, at Wisconsin Stevens Point for the Sweet Sixteen game to which Yjak refers. It was very exciting and worth the 8-hour bus ride each way. That place was packed beyond the limits of the fire code, with a 98% Webster-hostile crowd. The Gorloks played like the SLIAC champions they were, led by 6 or 7 points throughout about 3/4 of the game. Halley Spahn fouled out early in the 4th quarter and Tara Fortschneider went out injured and came back later. Webster was simply worn down by the eventual National Champs. Laura Stuhlman was the point guard and Freshman Tara  Moriarty was an excellent starter who never returned for her sophomore year, transferred to Kentucky. Tara Fortschneider was a gutsy sophomore who had lost both her parents to cancer shortly before the game. The link below is to a reprint of an article that appeared the next day in the Wisconsin Newspaper. The "One Tough Gorlok" phrase was coined by that writer in Wisconsin and could not have fit Tara more perfectly.

http://media.www.webujournal.com/media/storage/paper245/news/2002/03/21/Sports/Commentary.One.Tough.Gorlok-220091.shtml
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 04, 2009, 11:59:12 am
Coach Will   -  come on, keep this board alive   -  how are practices going  - are all the players you expected present and accounted for   -  anybody looking surprisingly good  -  I see the guys are down at Maryville - wish the ladies would have joined them......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 04, 2009, 12:12:23 pm
In the interest of "keeping the board alive" I will report that I heard from a highly reliable source that the Webster women scrimmaged Meramec CC and held their own pretty well without two key players, one of whom had class and the other having a minor injury that should be cleared up before too long.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on November 04, 2009, 12:40:14 pm
Hopefan, why would any coach give away any secrets about their team....lol! No we are coming along...still have a lot of work to do. The SLIAC is going to be tough to win for all of us, so we all have to work hard. We did not play maryville, as our schedule was completed a while ago...I like to play in tournaments away from our area, so that the ladies can bond.
Y-Jack, Webster is well coached, and they will be very good. Coach O is very hungry, and I am sure that he will have his players well prepared, just as the other coaches in this conference.
This is the best time of the year, as everyone is working hard to get ready to battle....can't wait.

The only way this board will stay alive is if the fans continue to bring porsitive information and energy. If that happens, I dont mind coming on and dropping a line. so lets have a positive season, and good luck to everyone.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 06, 2009, 08:34:58 pm
FU gets 5 players from the soccer team tommorrow morning. Starting PG Kaitlin Brammel and probably starting F Kendra Schilli. Size from Tori Price. Plus freshmen Ava Johnson (Perryville) joins teammate Schilli.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 15, 2009, 09:44:01 pm
Webster 67 - Dominican 52: http://www.websterathletics.com/news/2009/11/15/WBB_1115093112.aspx
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 15, 2009, 10:01:54 pm
Illinois College 83 - MacMurray 71: http://www.ic.edu/athletics/teams/Womens/Basketball/BBALL_0910/Mac11-15.htm
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on November 16, 2009, 03:25:21 pm
I am ready for the season to start! As the Blackburn girls are pre-season favorites, I can't wait to watch them. I know Coach has been working them hard and getting them prepared for a long road ahead of them.
Go Beavers!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 16, 2009, 04:05:56 pm
I am ready for the season to start! As the Blackburn girls are pre-season favorites, I can't wait to watch them. I know Coach has been working them hard and getting them prepared for a long road ahead of them.
Go Beavers!

Actually, in the coaches' poll, Westminster came out on top in spite of the fact that Blackburn had one more first place vote. If you go back to page 75 on this site you can see that someone posted the results of the poll. I went to the conference website to see if I could find the article about the poll, but apparently it is already archived. Doesn't matter, the only poll that counts is the one with the columns headed Won and Lost.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on November 16, 2009, 05:46:17 pm
lol my apologies...I wasn't trying to make the poll a big deal I just meant that with the BC girls being one of the top tier teams this season that I'm ready for action to get underway :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2009, 07:16:45 am
Good luck tonite to Coach Will and the lady Beavs as they take on PS #6 Illinois Wesleyan.

I've enjoyed Coach's posts, (as political as they may be) and his enthusiasm towards bettering SLIAC hoops....  it might be a little ugly tonite (who knows?), but it will be great preparation for the first conference game in early December.

Dynasty, or Coach, hope you can give us a writeup on tonite's game afterwards or tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2009, 07:38:20 am
Neither of our regular Webster posters commented on the Lady Gorlocks win over Dominican on Sunday - a rather ugly game, but it certainly had its bright spots for the Gorlocks.  They were led by the spirited play of Frosh point guard Maggie Zehner -  very solid in getting the ball up the floor and directing the offense, capable of finding opportunity to score herself, and a tad tough-nosed - nothing fancy, just does the job.  Another frosh, Tori Fenimore did a nice job around the basket, getting a number of point blank hoops with good positioning and offensive rebounding.  Katie Meyer shot well from the perimeter - the offense needs to find her more often.  Aryca Lockett should again be a threat - she was saddled with foul trouble.

Coach uses a lot of players and it paid off - Dominican couldn't match Webster's depth and ran out of gas in the second half.  Webster has a solid bench - Megan Willet and several others from last year, and more new faces - level of play does not suffer with the bench use, and in fact, energy is added.

Trivia  - What All conference Men's player from recent years seems to be taking significant interest in the performance of the lady Gorlocks team, and why....   I'll never tell... ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 17, 2009, 09:24:12 am
Trivia  - What All conference Men's player from recent years seems to be taking significant interest in the performance of the lady Gorlocks team, and why....   I'll never tell... ::) ::) ::)

I know the answer, but I won't spoil it for people who want to see if they can figure it out. However, the player in question was on the All-Defensive Team, but not First, Second or HM All-Conference. Perhaps hopefan intentionally did not give this level of detail. Or perhaps he didn't know the team for which the player was recognized.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on November 17, 2009, 12:38:32 pm
Good luck tonite to Coach Will and the lady Beavs as they take on PS #6 Illinois Wesleyan.

I've enjoyed Coach's posts, (as political as they may be) and his enthusiasm towards bettering SLIAC hoops....  it might be a little ugly tonite (who knows?), but it will be great preparation for the first conference game in early December.

Dynasty, or Coach, hope you can give us a writeup on tonite's game afterwards or tomorrow morning.

Hopefan....IWU is a great team, playing in front of a great crowd, not to mention Coach Smith, who is one of the best coaches in the country. With this said, I agree that it is going to be a tough game for us. I knew that we I scheduled this game last year....my thinking was that the SLIAC is going to be a tougher conference, and my team needed to be battle tested by the time we travel to Westminster on the 2nd of December. We also have a much improved Webster team coming to our house on December 5th.

I choose to play the toughest non-conference schedule possible, as this is something that my college coach did with us when I played in the CCIW. I feel that playing tougher teams prepares us for a long season. This game will also tell me alot about my team...

I can't promise that I will post after the game, as it has never been a practice of mine, but I can tell you that I am excited to play. So Dynasty, it's on you to post about the game.

Lastly, I am not being poilitical in my posts, I really feel that the SLIAC is a better conference, and that we all wil have dogfights every night.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on November 17, 2009, 01:06:42 pm
Trivia  - What All conference Men's player from recent years seems to be taking significant interest in the performance of the lady Gorlocks team, and why....   I'll never tell... ::) ::) ::)

I know the answer, but I won't spoil it for people who want to see if they can figure it out. However, the player in question was on the All-Defensive Team, but not First, Second or HM All-Conference. Perhaps hopefan intentionally did not give this level of detail. Or perhaps he didn't know the team for which the player was recognized.

Of course I also know, but will not say. I respond only to remind Hopefan to take that 'c' out of Gorlok.  :o
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 17, 2009, 01:31:42 pm
Hopefan....IWU is a great team, playing in front of a great crowd, not to mention Coach Smith, who is one of the best coaches in the country. With this said, I agree that it is going to be a tough game for us. I knew that we I scheduled this game last year....my thinking was that the SLIAC is going to be a tougher conference, and my team needed to be battle tested by the time we travel to Westminster on the 2nd of December. We also have a much improved Webster team coming to our house on December 5th.

Coach, you have your dates/teams backwards. Blackburn is at Webster on 12/2 and Westminster is at your place on 12/5.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on November 17, 2009, 02:04:38 pm
A stirring moment in the Webster/Dominican game occurred after Hopefan had left to get to Wash. U. Gutsy little Bobbianne Auer, 5'3", who plays with tremendous heart and spirit, was injured late in the game (I hope it is not a bad one). After the trainer had checked her out, and the normal procedure would be to have a couple of players help her off the court, Coach Jordan Olufson just scooped her up and carried her off the court - a fitting tribute to a fallen warrior.  8)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on November 17, 2009, 05:06:53 pm
Hopefan....IWU is a great team, playing in front of a great crowd, not to mention Coach Smith, who is one of the best coaches in the country. With this said, I agree that it is going to be a tough game for us. I knew that we I scheduled this game last year....my thinking was that the SLIAC is going to be a tougher conference, and my team needed to be battle tested by the time we travel to Westminster on the 2nd of December. We also have a much improved Webster team coming to our house on December 5th.

Coach, you have your dates/teams backwards. Blackburn is at Webster on 12/2 and Westminster is at your place on 12/5.
You are right....excuse me, as I have the great Titans on my mind...lol!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 17, 2009, 06:40:07 pm
Yjak  -  it's called literary embellishment!!!   I knew!!!    ;) ;)

Furbug  -  yes, let's hope Bobbi is ok   -   she is a personal favorite of mine - great attitude, great hustle.


Of interest   Spalding, the real mystery team of the SLIAC, plays a very good Transylvania team tonight   -  will give us a good read.    Question - is Spalding eligible to play in the conference tourney?   Are they eligible for the NCAAs?   If they won the conference tourney, but were not eligible for the NCAAs, who represents the SLIAC?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on November 17, 2009, 07:23:59 pm
Furbug  -  yes, let's hope Bobbi is ok   -   she is a personal favorite of mine - great attitude, great hustle.
Yes, mine also. The word is that she just rolled her ankle and will be OK to play within a week. :)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 17, 2009, 09:57:32 pm
Hopefan - Spalding is not in the post season picture for 3 yrs. If a team finishes in top 4, the 5th place team moves up. I think it already has taken place in volleyball.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on November 17, 2009, 11:45:52 pm
Hopefan - Spalding is not in the post season picture for 3 yrs. If a team finishes in top 4, the 5th place team moves up. I think it already has taken place in volleyball.
Yes, it did happen in volleyball. Spalding was second in the standings, but not eligible for the tournament. The 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th teams competed.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on November 18, 2009, 01:26:33 am
Illinois Weslyan is a great TEAM that is well COACHED! we gave it all we had Tuesday night. We will get two of the four injuried players back the end of the month, so that should help us to improve. Who was the smart guy that continues to open up every season with a top ten team in the nation or a D-2 school? He can't be to bright!!!!!

Back to the drawing board tomorrow!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 18, 2009, 06:51:31 am
Well Coach, let's look on the bright side....  you held 'em to under a hundred!!!   Hang in there, we both know there's a world of difference when you get to the conference games.   Coach Bunch has been very successful playing oustanding non conference schedules, taking his lumps, then winning the close ones to win the conference.  I like that strategy.......

Note Spalding played Transy pretty close, losing 80-69....they are for real - in my book an immediate factor.   Though FC informed me that Spalding is not eligible for conference tourney action.....

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on November 18, 2009, 02:39:44 pm
There were few surprises as IWU rolled over Blackburn 95-43 at Shirk last night, giving coach Mia Smith her 200th victory.  The Titans came out of the blocks fast, running to a 24-6 lead after eight minutes.  The regulars from last season gave strong performances, led by Hope Schulte's 12 and Christina Solari's 11 points with a team-high seven rebounds.  First year players impressed as well: Haley Kitchell contributed another 11 including 3 three-pointers, while Mackenzie Floyd had six rebounds and Melissa Gardner (wearing Claire Sheehan's #10) displayed a pretty three-point shot somewhat reminiscent of Claire's.  The Titans showed good ball movement and were credited with 25 assists.

The Battling Beavers played hard but were clearly overmatched at this point in their season.  Natalia Gregory led their scoring with 14.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 19, 2009, 03:10:24 pm
I was very impressed with the New Look Lady Griffin's, in friday nites scrimmage. FU had added some real talent. I am worried about size, but we'll see. Good Luck girls against Hiedelberg.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 20, 2009, 09:25:04 pm
Fontbonne over Heidelberg by 14 at half, but Webster, Greenville, Westminster all lose.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 21, 2009, 12:00:10 am
MacMurray and Blackburn also lose. Spalding wins.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on November 21, 2009, 12:05:00 am
Blackburn lost to North Central College by two points! The Beavers had a 5 mins bad spurt to start the 2nd half! They battled back from a 16 point 2nd half deficit with 8 mins to go to tie the game! Beavers got fouls with w second left down 3 but the foul was ruled a two shots instead of three!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 21, 2009, 09:40:36 am
Coach, that's a bummer. But I see from the box score that Ariel Hawkey didn't play. Is she one of your injured players and when will she be able to play? I also don't see Sierra Shipley listed at all.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on November 21, 2009, 09:43:44 am
Both Shipley and Aerial Hawkey are out for the season! I have three others out hurt that will be back in the next week to 10 days! None of them have played this season! So I am happy with the play of my young kids! North Central did a good job of gutting out a win last night! We can taste that first victory, soon I hope! LOL
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 21, 2009, 09:52:45 am
Whoa! Scary to think what your team would be like if you had Shipley and Hawkey. That's too bad that you won't have them this season. But it seems like you still have good talent. Nice going.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 21, 2009, 04:32:33 pm
Good showing for the conference in Webster's win. Pre Season #1 WC off to a rocky start. I questioned that portion of the poll.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 21, 2009, 10:45:37 pm
From the Blackburn website, the Lady Beavers beat Olivet 57-53. Way to go. SLIAC teams are 8-14 so far.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on November 21, 2009, 10:52:55 pm
Y Jak, we should have beat North Central and we did not close the deal! We did not play as well tonight and still won! Basketball is a crazy game!!! North Central College and staff were awesome to all of us! Thanks so much to their coaches, and professional staff!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 26, 2009, 02:41:54 pm
Yjak, I have been extremely busy on the men's side of the SLIAC, but would be very interested to hear a knowledgable fan's (like yourself) view of the lady's side after a week and a half of games.....  I don't even know who's winning and losing....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 26, 2009, 04:03:53 pm
I really don't think I have that much to offer and am not even sure that I qualify as the "knowledgable fan" you credit me with being. With that disclaimer, I believe it is wide open this year now that Maryville has moved on. And even if Maryville were still in the conference I expect they would not have waltzed through the season as easily as they did the past 4+. I think Westminster and Blackburn being rated 1 and 2 respectively is logical. However, knowing now that Blackburn doesn't have Shipley and Hawkey gives the rest of the teams a bit more wiggle room. Regardless, Coach Will is going to have his team prepared every game. Westminster is off to a slow start (1-3) but I don't know much about their competition. Webster has some new faces that make them better and deeper this year than last. Lisa Bayard of Eureka had a great start to the season as evidenced by her selection as the first PoW, but how good is the whole team? Abby Lowe's graduation gives MacMurray some big shoes to fill, but they have a good 2nd year coach, so expect them to be tough. Fcnews has commented that he sees good things in this year's FU team. We are used to him pumping up FU, but I think his bias is always backed up by a solid knowledge of the game and good judge of talent. That leaves Greenville, Principia, and Spalding. Prin without Christina Speer is like MacMurray without Abby Lowe, even though Speer played the post and Lowe was a guard. I don't remember enough about Greenville and don't know anything about Spalding. Hopefully someone else will chime in and add to the pool of information.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on November 26, 2009, 05:30:00 pm
Good post Yjak. +k
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 26, 2009, 07:29:27 pm
Thanks, fc. And by the way, Eureka lost 75-47 to Monmouth yesterday, so that makes the question mark surrounding their prospects even larger.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 26, 2009, 08:15:33 pm
And, although I haven't scouted the rosters, I have this sense that most of the teams in the conference are fairly young. I'm not sure any school has what one would consider a veteran team. Westminster, maybe. And Spalding could be an exception, but, as noted earlier, I know nothing about them.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on November 27, 2009, 12:25:55 am
The conference race appears wide open with no definitive favorite, regardless of the pre-season poll. But, we'll start getting an idea next week (see below).

Westminster lost three starters from last year and almost 50 percent of its scoring. And there are seven freshmen on the roster. With their first conference game at Blackburn on Dec. 5, we will know a little bit more about the Blue Jays.

Upcoming SLIAC Games:
Dec. 1
5:00 PM, Principia at Spalding
Dec. 2
6:00 PM, Blackburn at Webster
6:00 PM, Eureka at MacMurray
6:00 PM, Fontbonne at Greenville
Dec. 5
1:00 PM, Webster at MacMurray
1:00 PM, Westminster (Mo.) at Blackburn
1:00 PM, Spalding at Fontbonne
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2009, 08:25:37 am
Well, generally my game schedule is based solely on the men's game, and therefore on the opening night of SLIAC hoops in the St Louis area, I'd go over to Greenville to watch Fontbonne -Gville..  BUT....  I'm curious enough regarding BC vs Webster ladies, that I think I'll head to
Webster on Wednesday, and catch Fontbonne on Saturday.

Be prepared for stiff critique Coach Will ;D ;D ;D   aaaah, just kiddin... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on November 29, 2009, 09:44:34 am
Hopefan,

I am more worried about the stiff defense of that Webster will play...lol!!! We are headed to play D-2 Lewis University...wish us luck.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 29, 2009, 10:18:09 am
Coach...   More SLIAC Preparation!!!!   Good luck, more important, keep the kids healthy....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on November 29, 2009, 10:20:41 am
Thanks, as Lewis is going to be tough! I get another player back today! So everyone is back, just not 100%! We got to get better in a hurry! Wednesday and Saturday will be a good test for us!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 29, 2009, 02:11:09 pm
From the board of the SCIAC in the West region, posted by OxyBob:

"Oxy 95 Fontbonne 74

Oxy dominated Fontbonne, winning easily 95-74. The game was tied at 16 at 10:45, but Samantha Rossi's 3-ball gave Oxy the lead for good. The Tigers led 50-38 at the half, and by as many as 24 in the second half. Oxy spread the love around -- Samantha Rossi scored 17, Makenzie Brandon had 15, Stephanie Babij scored 13, Britinee Yasukochi and Dior Williams each had 10, and Laura Mohler had 9. For the Griffins, Kailin Bramel had 15, Calista Collier had 14, and Shaerika April scored 11."
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on November 29, 2009, 07:50:36 pm
Blackburn played really well but lost by 25 to D-2 Lewis Univeristy! Blackburn defense caused Lewis to turn the ball over 21 times! Lewis experience wore down the beavers in the 2nd half! Blackburn had a 4 point lead with 4 minutes to go in the 1st half! Nice job Lady Beavers!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on December 01, 2009, 10:16:47 pm
Conference play is underway and Spalding held serve at home, topping the Principia women 68-39 and the Principia men 83-45.

Wednesday's Action:

Blackburn at Webster
Eureka at MacMurray
Fontbonne at Greenville

The Pre-Season Polls:

Men
1. Westminster (3)
2. Fontbonne (3)
3. Webster (1)
4. Spalding
5. Greenville (1)
6. Eureka
7. MacMurray
8. Blackburn
9. Principia

Women
1. Westminster (2)
2. Blackburn (3)
3. Spalding (2)
4. Fontbonne (1)
5. Webster
6. MacMurray
7. Greenville
8. Principia
9. Eureka
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: theoneandonly on December 02, 2009, 03:24:46 pm
How does a team get more votes and still end up number 2?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 02, 2009, 03:32:11 pm
How does a team get more votes and still end up number 2?

Blackburn got more first palce votes, but apparently Westminster must have received enough more second and third place votes to give them more total points than Blackburn.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on December 03, 2009, 07:37:57 am
Extremely entertaining ladies game  BC vs Webster - Sloppy beyond belief (each team with 24 turnovers), but TWO great comebacks by BC  cutting a 19 point deficeit to 7 at half, falling behind again by18 in the 2nd half, and getting as close as 3 in the final minutes.   Webster gutted it out though.

Both teams have an abundance of players and aren't hurt at all going to the bench...

BC shoots 9 for 30 from the FT line - 50% of 30 would have resulted in a tie...

Great matchup of point guards... Webster frosh Maggie Zehner, BC senior Jasmine Robinson....

Coach Will is a blast to watch work - really into every facet of the game, very expressive, hard to miss - enjoyed chatting with him briefly after the game - he remains optimistic, especially talking about the youth of his team....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on December 03, 2009, 10:22:21 am
Was Surprised at Gville Fontbonne lady's result - with Gville winning 77-70.

Major key to game could have been Gville's 36 free throw attempts vs Fontbonne's 16.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on December 03, 2009, 07:29:55 pm
Hopefan and Yjack, was nice meeting both of you. I am just sorry that my team looked like they have never been coached. We will get better...I can't see us ever shooting that bad from the free throw line every again.

I told you all early on, that anyone can win on any given night.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on December 05, 2009, 10:18:37 pm
Westminster overcomes an 11-point second-half deficit to top Blackburn 66-59 in Carlinville. Rachel Backes scores 18 for the Blue Jays.

12/5/09 SLIAC Scores:
Fontbonne 65, Spalding 59
Webster 88, MacMurray 72
Westminster 66, Blackburn 59
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2009, 08:30:19 am
Wash U men play Wheaton tonite in a game that for D3, should draw reasonably well.
Wash U women play a block away at the exact same time at Fontbonne.

Why in the world wouldn't the AD's have recognized this and had Fontbonne play at Wash U as a first game of a doubleheader....   Wash U fans could have seen both games, and the ladies from Fontbonne could have played a little more 'in the spotlight' in front of a bigger crowd....   I really don't think Fontbonne home court advantage comes into play.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 09, 2009, 09:47:14 am
Wash U men play Wheaton tonite in a game that for D3, should draw reasonably well.
Wash U women play a block away at the exact same time at Fontbonne.

Why in the world wouldn't the AD's have recognized this and had Fontbonne play at Wash U as a first game of a doubleheader....   Wash U fans could have seen both games, and the ladies from Fontbonne could have played a little more 'in the spotlight' in front of a bigger crowd....   I really don't think Fontbonne home court advantage comes into play.

Come on hopefan, use your brain. Last year they played at Wash U, so this year they play at Fontbonne. Not rocket science. ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on December 09, 2009, 10:52:20 am
I assumed that much -  just saying it would have been a service to all to have the doubleheader - virtually no extra expense except who pays the officials....  np loss of income ;D ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on December 09, 2009, 03:02:03 pm
You think if it was reversed Coach Fahey would of given up her home game to FU. You could solve a lot of your problems Hope, put your application in for FU's AD job. FU's women deserve to play at home on their on court.

Your really starting to reach, friend.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WUPHF on December 09, 2009, 04:16:08 pm
You think if it was reversed Coach Fahey would of given up her home game to FU. You could solve a lot of your problems Hope, put your application in for FU's AD job. FU's women deserve to play at home on their on court.

Fontbonne and Washington University along with Webster University all seem to have a good relationship with one another.  I had heard, for example, that Webster University changed the starting time for an away game to accomodate our University staff day.  Apples and oranges, I know, but I think the Coach might consider a change.

Your really starting to reach, friend.

Yeah, true, but his heart is in the right place.

It is finals week here and I do not expect a record setting crowd.  The atmosphere has been electric on occasion, but I am not sure that a midweek match-up with even a team like Wheaton is enough to draw them in.  Decent crowd, yes.  Great crowd?  Maybe for the Augustana game.

Incidentally, if Augustana engineers a miracle and upsets Gonzaga, I would expect record-level student turnout on Saturday.  I'm not expecting, just saying.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on December 09, 2009, 04:47:36 pm
Things are getting rough on Hopefan. One little comment, and everyone is beating up on him.  :o
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on December 09, 2009, 04:59:36 pm
WUH - Know way would Wash U's women would give up a home game. And the three schools mentioned do do a lot of coop. Wash U practices at FU when their gyms not available.

Furbug - It is just the ridicules idea behind his post.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: fcnews on December 09, 2009, 05:29:12 pm
I might add that FU has tried to schedule Wash U as a doubleheader. This has been shot down the past couple of years.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WUPHF on December 09, 2009, 05:54:19 pm
I might add that FU has tried to schedule Wash U as a doubleheader. This has been shot down the past couple of years.

I think that is a great idea.  Do you have any idea why that is the case?  I mean, we have a double-header with Webster and have for at least a few years.  And, if I remember correctly, both teams end up playing each other each year.  At least the men do.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WUPHF on December 09, 2009, 11:38:21 pm
It looks like the Bears had a crazy first half en route to a 96-53 win over Fontbonne.  Did anyone go?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on December 20, 2009, 12:07:57 am
Scores of Interest:

12/19:
North Park 53, Fontbonne 48
Dominican 75, Eureka 61
Wartburg 87, Spalding 54
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on December 21, 2009, 03:02:55 pm
The story of fontbonne loss to north Park on Saturday...

A boatload of turnovers in the first half

great comeback in the 2nd half

2 in and out 3 pointers by Calli Collier in the final two minutes - they were both down and popped back out - if they're in, it's a whole new ball game.....   

The 1st half was painful to watch, but the second half was fun....  Collier and Bramel are good....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 30, 2009, 09:07:35 pm
Good that Webster had a chance to shake off the rust today against Ripon before getting into the heart of SLIAC play. Not a very pretty game -- more turnovers (21) than points (17) in the first half. Much better job taking care of the ball in the 2nd half and putting up points in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on December 31, 2009, 01:14:26 pm
Things get cranked up Saturday:

Jan. 2
12:00 PM, Webster at Spalding
1:00 PM, MacMurray at Westminster (Mo.)
1:00 PM, Blackburn at Principia
1:00 PM, Eureka at Fontbonne

Happy New Year!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on January 02, 2010, 09:10:32 pm
The home teams go 2-2, so what do you think?

Jan. 2
Webster 63, at Spalding 52
MacMurray 60, at Westminster (Mo.) 74
Blackburn 58, at Principia 38
Eureka 51, at Fontbonne 77
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 02, 2010, 09:37:37 pm
The home teams go 2-2, so what do you think?

Jan. 2
Webster 63, at Spalding 52
MacMurray 60, at Westminster (Mo.) 74
Blackburn 58, at Principia 38
Eureka 51, at Fontbonne 77

Earlier in the season Eureka beat Greenville by 5 points and Greenville beat Fontbonne by 7 points. So it surprises me that Fontbonne beat Eureka by 26. The one equalizer is that in each of the games above the home team was the winner.

Watching the 2nd half of the FU/Eureka game it seemed that Eureka played rather timidly on defense. They only had 8 players, so foul trouble would certainly be a concern (and they didn't commit many fouls), but the consequence was that Fontbonne was able to score way too easily.

Nothing too out of the ordinary in the results of the other three games.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WUPHF on January 06, 2010, 11:02:20 pm
I watched Washington University defeat Webster University on Saturday 88-40.  And, it looked to me like a much better Gorlocks squad than the 88-40 score would suggest.  They did rebound tonight with a 70-49 win over Eureka College (3-8).

I did notice an intriguing biographical note on the game program.  Webster has a Junior named Brittany Grant from St. Louis who apparently played, or at least studied at the University of Tennessee.  She played maybe two or three minutes at the end of the game and finished with two points or maybe a few more. 

I do not remember this name from the high school scene.  Does someone know if this player was on the roster at Tennessee?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 06, 2010, 11:14:38 pm
Brittany Grant was on the WU women's roster second semester last season, was always suited up, was always participating in pre-game warm-ups, but did not play in any games. She has played sparingly this season. I have just been to the UT women's basketball site and looked at their 2008-2009 roster. Brittany Grant was not on it. http://www.utladyvols.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/08-09-w-baskbl-roster.html There appears to be no link to a jv roster, if they even have a jv. My guess is that she simply transfered from UT to Webster and decided to go out for the basketball team.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WUPHF on January 07, 2010, 10:20:22 am
Thanks Y_Jack!  I have to think that if you are more of a player than a fan, it must be hard living in the basketball Mecca that is Knoxville.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 07, 2010, 12:19:55 pm
Thanks Y_Jack!  I have to think that if you are more of a player than a fan, it must be hard living in the basketball Mecca that is Knoxville.

Or other places that aren't basketball mecccas -- such as St. Louis. There is another Webster player who went to SLU for a semester, was unhappy, transferred to Webster, watched from the stands for a semester, then went out for the team last season and played last year and is playing again this year.

Also, a few years ago a Webster player transferred to Arizona State for academic reasons and because of a coaching change at Webster. But she missed basketball so she left Az State to return to St. Louis and finished her education attending and playing for Maryville.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 10, 2010, 10:41:02 am
A few strange and inconsistent results so far this season. Principia loses by wide margins at Spalding and at home against Blackburn, two teams that Webster beat, then Webster only beats Principia by 5 at Prin. Is Prin improving? Westminster loses at Spalding scoring only 36 points, then turns around and demolishes Greenville at home 80-37. Fontbonne loses at Greenville and Blackburn, teams that, based on other results, they ought to be able to beat. Is this season going to be tough on the visiting teams?

Webster, now 5-0, in the next two weeks gets its first shots at Fontbonne (3-2) and Westminster (3-1) at home and has to travel to Greenville (2-2). Very important games for all 4 teams as the first half of conference play ends. At this stage no one is out of a shot at the tournament. If one of the bottom three teams puts together a good run in the next 3-4 games it's going to make the race very interesting.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on January 10, 2010, 12:38:28 pm
Y-Jak,

With Blackburn having three starters out for the season, it will be hard for them to beat the top teams in the conference. Principia is a good team, Blackburn just played well that day. I said before the season started that it would be a dogfight night in and out in the SLIAC. Mac, Greenvlle, Eureka and Spaulding are all tough.

The number 1 goal is to get to the conference tournament; then anything can happen.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 10, 2010, 02:36:18 pm
Very tough on your Lady Beavers with those injuries this season, coach. Wish we could be seeing the real Blackburn.

Fontbonne, Webster and Westminser play each other as the first half of conference play comes to a conclusion. Those are huge games. I've seen Fontbonne three times and they've looked better each time.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on January 10, 2010, 02:39:24 pm
That is true Y Jack...Coach Quigley does a good job. Please don't count out the other programs in the SLIAC, as they are all hungry.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 10, 2010, 06:37:58 pm
Not counting anybody out at this point. True parity would mean all 9 teams finish with 8-8 records. That would be a mess to sort out with tie-breakers. But that isn't likely to happen. Eventually a couple teams will be mathematically eliminated, but I can see it being a 6 or 7 team race to make the tournament going into the final games of the season.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 16, 2010, 09:49:57 pm
Eureka almost pulls the upset at Wesminster. A final seconds shot from the side of the hoop hit the rim on the near side then on the far side and dropped off the edge. Eureka had a shot at a put back but couldn't quite get it there. WC wins 54-53. A very nicely played game by both teams. The third time I've seen Eureka this season and by far their best game of the three. The rest of the teams need to be ready for them in the remainder of conference play.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on January 16, 2010, 10:06:49 pm
Jan. 16
12:00 PM  Blackburn  41  Spalding  57  Final   
1:00 PM  Eureka  53  Westminster (Mo.)  54  Final   
1:00 PM  Principia  50  Fontbonne  88  Final   
1:00 PM  MacMurray  68  Greenville  66  Final

SLIAC Records
Webster 5-1
Westminster 5-1
Spalding 5-2
Fontbonne 5-2
Blackburn 3-3
Greenville 2-4
MacMurray 2-4
Eureka 1-5
Principia 0-6

Big games coming up:
Fontbonne at Westminster
Westminster at Webster
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 18, 2010, 10:16:26 am
Hadn't mentioned it, as I normally write about the men, but I had a blast watching the Eureka-Westmin Lady's game.....   Found myself clearly rooting for the underdog Eureka team, who are limited to 8 players and were beaten pretty decisively twice in St Louis....  they gave Westmin all they could handle, and after some incredibly poor clock management and shot selection by Westmin, had a shot to win - unfortunately it rattled in and out as Yjak told us-  Eureka has a prototypical hustler on the court, Lauren Snopek, who is just a lot of fun to watch, all over the court, trying her darnedest to get her team a win... hope they can hold it together the rest of the season and get at least a couple more......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 24, 2010, 08:39:37 am
Webster beats Westmin to retain first place alone....   UGLY win, it was a game of who played poorer to lose than who played better to win  ... westmin had 25 turnovers to 23 for Webster...   and personnel decisions from both coaches that were very hard to understand.....   

I'm not ruling BC out of this thing yet  ..   

and yes, this year, the ladies conference tourney may be more entertaining than the men's... Did I really just say that????
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 24, 2010, 10:37:23 pm
and yes, this year, the ladies conference tourney may be more entertaining than the men's... Did I really just say that????

I suppose it all depends on how you define "entertainment".
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 25, 2010, 09:46:30 am
Because of my non affilliation to any school, entertaining is having two semifinal matchups that could go either way.....   

That has not been the case in recent years for the ladies as generally Maryville was expected to trounce the 4th place team the first night....   the men on the other hand , have been pretty closely stacked in recent years with no clear favorite to romp on anyone.. 

 This year on the men's side, Westmin will likely be highly favored (at least by me) to win easily the first night, and quite possibly the 2-3 game may also be thought of as a likely Eureka win.

 The ladies... heck anyone could take it, and a little piece of me could be rooting for Coach Dubb's squad (though at this stage, I'd still make fontbonne a slight favorite...gotta like the Collier-Brammel guard combo.)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on January 28, 2010, 04:15:16 pm
BC women had a great victory over visiting Webster lastnight. A game that BC seemingly had control over most of the game went down to the wire and into OT with the Beavers prevailing. They are currently 6-3 in SLIAC play and tied for 4th with Spalding.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 28, 2010, 10:48:04 pm
Dynasty   -   keep in mind too, that Spalding is not eligible for the conference tourney for three more years!!!!    ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 30, 2010, 06:54:44 pm
Blackburn coming on strong with 4 straight wins.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on January 30, 2010, 09:49:03 pm
Y Jack, many people thought that Blackburn would not do well without Shipley and Hawkey, who are argubly the best two players in the conference...the other players have done a good job of stepping up. 6 games to determine the outcome. Don't count out Webster or Fontbonne.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on January 30, 2010, 11:17:28 pm
Don't count out Webster or Fontbonne.
Why would anyone be counting out Webster or Fontbonne when they are tied for first place? ??? ???
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on January 31, 2010, 12:11:56 pm
Don't count out Webster or Fontbonne.
Why would anyone be counting out Webster or Fontbonne when they are tied for first place? ??? ???
That message was to Y-Jack...but I was saying the same thing, Webster and Fontbonne are tied fo 1st, so they are the teams that everyone have to chase. No disrespect was meant.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: furbug on January 31, 2010, 09:41:48 pm
Webster Lady Gorloks held on to win today, 72-64, over St. Mary of the Woods after relinquishing an 18 point lead. St. Mary of the Woods had a player, Brittney Shaner, a freshman from Center Grove HS in Greenwood, Indiana, who scored 34 points for them, more than half their total. I checked the SMW web site to see if I could find her season stats, but there was nothing there, although I saw recaps of a couple of games in which she scored 24. Does anyone know what her season scoring has been?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 01, 2010, 11:07:19 am
St. Mary of the Woods had a player, Brittney Shaner, a freshman from Center Grove HS in Greenwood, Indiana, who scored 34 points for them, more than half their total.

This sort of thing seems to happen to Webster on enough occasions that I've noticed it. Seems like an opposing player gets hot, or a team just runs a certain play repeatedly to the same player and scores and Webster never adjusts successfully to prevent it. Callie Collier from FU had 31 this season, but it's not like she was doing anything that mader her unstoppable. Seemed like more of an ongoing defensive lapse. Abby Lowe of MacMurray did it last year, as did a player from Greenville and one from Westminster. All scoring over 30 points.

I'm saying the above from memory because I don't have time to look it up at the moment, so if someone thinks the above is wrong please say so and I'll search box scores to make sure I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 01, 2010, 01:02:33 pm
The women's conference final four has been pretty well established, as Mac falls by the wayside with their loss at Webster....
Fontbonne 8-2, Webster 8-2, Blackburn 7-3, and Westmin 6-4 all seem pretty solid barring a collapse accompanied by a rush to the finish by Mac.

Reviewing prior performance and games left, I have to give Fontbonne and BC a slight advantage  -  Fontbonne has the other 3 all at home, While BC is done with Webster and Westmin with only Fontbonne left.  Webster has to play at Westmin and Fontbonne.
The wildcard that could stir the pot is Spalding  -  they are competitive, and still have a game left with Font, Web, and Westmin.....

The final night of the season Fontbonne at Webster could have major playoff ramifications for women and men!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 01, 2010, 01:34:44 pm
Hopefan,

Spalding comes to B.C as well. It is going to be a dogfight down the stretch. Will come down to who handles each teams pressure.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 01, 2010, 02:14:20 pm

Webster has to play at Westmin and Fontbonne.

The final night of the season Fontbonne at Webster could have major playoff ramifications for women and men!!

The first statement is correct regarding who plays whom and where. The second statement is correct except for where the game is being played.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 02, 2010, 07:51:50 pm
Coach Dubb   who'd you rather play first round, on a neutral court.... Font, Webster, or Westmin....

Come on, this is the big time...  you gotta answer.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 03, 2010, 09:49:20 am
HaHaHa.....

Blackburn wants to win the conference and host the tournament in the Beaver Dome. Which means that they will want to play who ever finishes in 4th place.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 03, 2010, 12:23:15 pm
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 03, 2010, 12:28:42 pm
Though Coach, sorry to say....  I gotta root for the tourney to be in St Louis for personal travellin' purposes..... 

in the tourney though  -  I only want to see 3   1 point decisions  -  gotta see the coaches earn their $$$$   ;) ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 03, 2010, 01:18:06 pm
To be honest with you, Blackburn has played the last two years in St. Louis for the tourney, and we feel that it is time for it to be in IL.

It's gonna be tough to get the tourney to Carlinville.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 03, 2010, 02:07:04 pm
It's gonna be tough to get the tourney to Carlinville.

Well coach, while i appreciate your diplomacy, if BC takes care of business, winning at Fontbonne and not allowing the rest of the pack to upset you, I have to think Webster will get bumped....   and the dome will be cookin come the end of February!!   (Which is awesome considering the beavs started the season 1-8 - it pays to schedule tough and learn to appreciate the wins when they start to come)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 03, 2010, 11:45:51 pm
ugh   the Beavs lose to Eureka...   hard to understand.....   just shows how unpredictable things are....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: illini22 on February 04, 2010, 12:19:12 am
actually....blackburn did not lose the game against Eureka.  The score that was posted was incorrect.  Blackburn won the game 74-58.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 04, 2010, 12:55:44 am
That's true, Blackburn beat Eureka tonight, the final score was posted wrong by the Eureka staff. Sorry to all that thought that Blackburn had lost.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on February 04, 2010, 01:13:13 am
Congrats Coach Dubb! 5 Games in a row..keep it hot!   
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 04, 2010, 08:51:18 am
In a morning that hasn't started off too well at work, the revelation of a reversal of the BC - EC score quickly put a smile on my face!!!!   

So nothing changes in the standings last night  -  Webster Font tied for first, BC one game back
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: I_HAD_GAME on February 04, 2010, 09:11:44 pm
Wow I'm asking a women's SLIAC Basketball question. Caught the last half of the Fontbonne v Westminster game. Westminster is a big team and shoots well. Fontbonne is just fun to watch. Had to look at a program to see names. Kendra Schilli is my kind of player. Callista Collier is high energy and gets to the ft. line and shoots the ball well. Kaitlin Brammel can play basketball. She may turn out to be one of the best pts. I have paid attention to.

Any comments on POY or All Conference? What needs to transpire for the tournament to be in the STL?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 04, 2010, 11:56:38 pm
If you go by stats, then this year should be an easy vote: Lindasy Sydness from Principia. Leads conference in scoring, rebounds, blocks and in top 15 in fg%
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 05, 2010, 07:46:11 am
ahhh but coach, once again the same old arguement   --   do you go with a straight stats person whose team has made no noise in the race for a conference tourney spot, or do you go with less stats but  a player who has led their team to the tourney....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 05, 2010, 01:39:22 pm
It's my opinion that while there are a lot of games left to be played, the winner of the Fontbonne - Blackburn game on Feb 13th will likely be the host of the women's conf tourney.... ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: illini22 on February 05, 2010, 01:55:31 pm
I'm going to have to agree with that statement.  The last meeting between Blackburn and Fontbonne proved to be a great game.  This time around....the game should be even more exciting as both Blackburn and Fontbonne are playing great basketball at this point.  I believe your conference champion will be defined by this game.....remember February 13th!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 05, 2010, 03:24:53 pm
It's my opinion that while there are a lot of games left to be played, the winner of the Fontbonne - Blackburn game on Feb 13th will likely be the host of the women's conf tourney.... ;)
Thanks hopefan for the added pressure....I am sure Coach Dubb and Coach Quigley needed this extra pressure. Blackburn has not won at Fontbonne during Coach Williams tenure....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 05, 2010, 03:26:49 pm
ahhh but coach, once again the same old arguement   --   do you go with a straight stats person whose team has made no noise in the race for a conference tourney spot, or do you go with less stats but  a player who has led their team to the tourney....
Hopefan, if this young lady is dominating the conference in so many catagories, then why should she not be the choice? Speer did the same thing last year and won this award, and Prin did not finish in the top 4.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 06, 2010, 09:39:39 am
I've haven't seen Principia and Lindsay Sydness play, and reviewing her stats, they are impressive....  but it generates a couple of counters.....

The lack of athletic big women  -   yikes, that term sounds awful....   to rephrase     the lack of athletic power forwards and post people in the SLIAC is, at least to me, obvious.   I don't think Lindsey is seeing top notch competition in her position while getting the stats she does.  She leads the league with 15 points a game, but a number of the people guarding her really can't run (I mean really RUN) up and down the court.

On the other hand, I have seen numerous good hustling small guards in the conference....   and those guards are largely responsible for where their team is in the standings....   Brammel for instance is second in the conference in scoring and 1st in assists....   I've been very impressed by guards at Fontbonne, Webster, Eureka, Westmin, BC.....   My thought is that if Sydness stands out at her position over others, that you are right, the voting may go her way..... 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: illini22 on February 06, 2010, 03:42:40 pm
Blackburn beats Principia......6 in a row! Way to go Blackburn!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on February 06, 2010, 03:52:30 pm
6 in a row BC nice job...keep it hot!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 06, 2010, 04:11:23 pm
Webster comes from a half time deficit to win at Eureka, Westmin wins at Greenville  -  no change in the standings.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: illini22 on February 07, 2010, 09:50:48 am
any ideas for newcomer of the year?????
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 07, 2010, 10:35:05 am
Sorry   -Illini    not familiar enough with everyone    Fontbonne has no qualifiers, don't think Westmin does, Maggie Zehner has gotten some good reviews from me, but while a very good floor leader, her game is open to lots of improvement...   just not familiar enough with personnel from the Illinois side....   Eureka, Mac, Gville, no players stand out for me, but I don't know who the newcomers are...  What about BC and Prin?  is Lindsay Sydness new?  She'd be a landslide pick if she is.....  If not, that leaves Blackburn and Spalding.......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: illini22 on February 07, 2010, 11:36:46 am
not really sure about sydness or anyone from spalding. my vote would go to kariann hill of BC. She didn't start off the season well but has been a sparkplug in the conference wins for blackburn. she was named player of the week for the sliac last week and put up 19pts and 14 boards in BC's win yesterdaY.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 07, 2010, 06:10:37 pm
Checked last years Stats, Lyndsay Sydness Did play last year, so is not a newcomer

Not including Spalding....
Newcomers with leading stats are:
Sarah Corbitt   Principia  12.8 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.5 apg     39%fg%   71%ft%    16% 3pt%

Karianne Hill  Blackburn  10.3 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 2.0 apg     45%fg%   59%ft%    29% 3pt%

Katelyn Wise  Greenville  12.1 ppg,   7rpg, 1.2 apg     53%fg%   47%ft%    NA 3pt%

Laura Hobbie   Greenville  10.6 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.0 apg     36%fg%   75%ft%    29% 3pt%

Ashley Will    MacMurray  12.3 ppg,   10.3rpg, .8 apg     46%fg%   52%ft%    35% 3pt%

Ashley Jenkins  MacMurray   11.8 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 3.8 apg     35%fg%   67%ft%    13% 3pt%

Maggie Zehner  Webster   9.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 3.1 apg     32%fg%   62%ft%    28% 3pt%

It's a real tossup  -  I can't identify many of the young ladies... I'll leave this one up to the coaches.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 08, 2010, 04:46:25 pm
all the hard work on newcomer candidates and not a smidgen of a response to give opinions... :( :( :(
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: erkle on February 08, 2010, 05:33:26 pm
OK, I don't want to see all of your effort wasted ;)

My vote would be for Ashley Will or Karianne Hill.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 08, 2010, 09:02:23 pm
Erk    +1 for your first post
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: illini22 on February 09, 2010, 11:30:41 pm
Congratulations to Kariann Hill from Blackburn for being named the SLIAC player of the week for the 2nd week in a row.  She has really stepped up over the last 5 games, which has been a difference maker for the team in conference play.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 10, 2010, 08:02:26 am
Huge game at Westmin tonight - I think Webster is going to have a rough time.  If Westmin wins, it really sets up Saturday's Fontbonne - Blackburn matchup.  Even with a Webster win, the Fontbonne-BC game is a big one.  As for tonight, which teams forces the other into more turnovers - both went over 20 in their first meeting when Webster pulled away to an 8 point win. Good point guard matchup withe Rachel Baches vs Maggie Zehner - whoever plays better likely leads their team to a win... 

The question is, (as the old rock song lyrics say) Do I stay or do I go......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 10, 2010, 10:21:14 pm
Well Illini, good news from Fulton.....  Westmin beats Webster 60-47.... BC Font on Saturday.... A BC win means a 3 way tie!!   
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: illini22 on February 10, 2010, 10:31:39 pm
Sounds great!  Looks like Saturday has the making of an all out battle between 2 good teams.....can't wait!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 11, 2010, 10:12:34 am
Will you be there?  If so, find hopefan and say hi!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: illini22 on February 11, 2010, 12:19:57 pm
I, unfortunately, will be unable to make it.  I am currently in the process of getting my teacher certification and have to take my final state test on that day.  I am very sad that I'm going to miss it...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 11, 2010, 01:08:55 pm
Bad timing!!!!

Blackburn  in the past has travelled well for big games... hoping a bunch of the students will get together and come down for this game   -  makes for a fun atmosphere that we don't see often enough in the SLIAC.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 12, 2010, 11:37:12 am
to think about....

IF BC, beats fontbonne tomorrow, 3 way tie

BUT
Fontbonne and Webster play in the final game of the season

if all else goes as wins, and Fontbonne wins that game, leaving Font and BC tied for first, BC wins tie breaker with 2 wins over Fontbonne

if all else goes as wins and Webster wins that game, leaving Webster and BC tied for first, BC and Webster split, and BC again gets the tiebreaker with the two wins over Fontbonne.


NOW THEN

if Fontbonne beats BC, and is in first place alone, and all else wins, and WEBSTER beats fontbonne on the last night, Webster and Fontbonne would be tied with 3 losses.  Webster and Font would have split, both would have split with BC, but Fontbonne beat Westmin twice, while Webster split with them....  Fontbonne would get the tiebreak.

So barring other losses, it appears, like I guessed at last week, that the winner of tomorrow's game has a very direct route to hosting the conference tourney.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: illini22 on February 12, 2010, 11:52:38 am
GO BC!!!! That's all I have to say to that. The home crowd that BC is capable of having is rough to play in front of.....for anyone!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2010, 06:56:00 pm
Ker-thud..... No contest at Fontbonne....  the Beavs have no answeer for the dynamic duo of Brammel and Collier, nor could they stop the ball from getting into Ludwig for layups.... this game threatened to be a 40 point difference....  Illini, you probably had more fun taking a test.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on February 13, 2010, 08:57:45 pm
Blackburn, Fontbonne, Webster and Westminster are in the tournament, but the seeds are not set:

Fri., Feb. 26, SLIAC Semi-Finals, Site TBA
   #2 Seed vs. #3 Seed, 6:00
   #1 Seed vs. #4 Seed, 8:00
Sat., Feb. 27, SLIAC Championship, 7:00
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: erkle on February 13, 2010, 09:05:16 pm
I am excited for the Blue Jay's.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 13, 2010, 11:39:36 pm
Ker-thud..... No contest at Fontbonne....  the Beavs have no answeer for the dynamic duo of Brammel and Collier, nor could they stop the ball from getting into Ludwig for layups.... this game threatened to be a 40 point difference....  Illini, you probably had more fun taking a test.....
Yes Hopefan, the Beavers did not play well on either side of the ball, but still put up 70 plus points. As you saw, there were a few attitude issues that had to be dealt with, along with a few more injuries that we did not have the last time the two teams played. To speak as though the Blackburn guard can't compete with the Fontbonne guards is a slap in the face. I don't remember you making that statement the 1st time the two teams played, when both guards were held under 10 points.

I give credit where credit is due, today wa Fontbonne's day!! Coach Quigley and his team did a great job. I still like the Beaver's chances in the tournament....rather the bad game be today than in the tournament.

Lastly, take the best two players off any other team in the SLIAC, and see if they can do what the Beavers did this season. Yes the Beavers took a loss to a ggod team today, that they beat earlier in the year, but they WILL be back.

Hopefan, I dont want any bad feelin, we are still cool, and I really enjoy your love of our sport as well as your post. Just don't count out the Beavers just yet my friend.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 13, 2010, 11:40:59 pm
All 4 teams that will play in the tournament are very talented. It will be a dogfight, good luck to every team.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 14, 2010, 12:07:32 am
No disrespect there Coach  -  disappointment as I was lookin for a great game  -  and disappointment in some of the attitudes that you mention.   Stating that the Beavs had no answer for Collier and Brammel was simply a fact  -  today.    And I was talking about today.   As you say the tourney may be a different story....ALTHOUGH, I remember you told me the same thing last year heading into Maryville.... and ouch.    I remain a fan of great competition.. hope I'll see it at the tourney.    Two weeks to prep..  crack the whip....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 14, 2010, 12:20:27 am
Thanks for the reply...maryville was a different beast. That comment was made after the double over time lost to them. I will resolve the attittude issues, please believe that. Today Fontbonne entire team and staff was better, no question there. When kids don't listen, the coach looks like an idiot. When they listen and carry out the game plan, the coach looks like a million bucks..today was a two dollar day...lol. Btw, many of the Blackburn girls were really upset with your post, so they contacted me, as I am out with the wife for valentines day. So I had to take up for them....you know how that go.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 14, 2010, 12:35:14 am
See that coach, I'm getting them fired up!!! 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 14, 2010, 10:09:35 am
An open statement to the Blackburn ladies....

Ladies, be upset about how you played yesterday, not about someone writing about it. 

You should understand that I have no ties to an individual team, so what I write about is what I see.  I see what seems to me to be a team with a very good coach... a guy who is friendly and rewarding when things are done correctly, and a stern lecturer who wants to make sure his thoughts are getting through when they need to when things aren't being done correctly.....   some of you need to be more accepting of those thoughts..   he clearly knows what he's talking about.   I see a young Blackburn team with more depth than any other team in the conference, lots of quickness, at least one very good three point shooter, (I'm now a fan of Miss Shepard),  a potential All Conference player in Miss Hill...

Be happy that there is someone like me, and Illiini22, and a couple of the Webster followers who care enough to follow the SLIAC and write.  Many of the small conferences have NO followers on these pages.  No one but me has said anything, for instance, about POY possibilities, or Newcomer possibilities, or Westminster, or Eureka's firey coach, etc etc, but Hopefan.

Know that just 3 or 4 years ago I wrote so glowingly about the fun of seeing several games at the dome at Blackburn that your student section called me out  a la "where is hopefan" and presented me with a Blackburn Beaver teeshirt.

So, play well, prep for the tourney, and you'll read plenty of positives....,  but take the comments when things don't go well, too.



Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: illini22 on February 14, 2010, 05:04:54 pm
Apparently I missed a lot at the game yesterday.  Hopefan, as to your post about my test.....I would actually rather have been at the game.  I love basketball, and I love watching Blackburn Basketball!  Put this down....Blackburn will show up in the tourney...I am confident in that.  I'm not sure what happened yesterday, but I can be sure that Coach Williams will fix the problem ASAP! Attitudes have no room on a championship team.....you are either out for team success or you're just not in it period.  Playing the game for individual success is only going to get a player so far....and as for the team....well........not far at all.  I knew Fontbonne would be tough, however I did not expect a score like that.  So...i was very surprised when I was told about it.  If I could make a prediction.....I feel that we'll be seeing another Fontbonne vs. Blackburn matchup for the conference tourney championship.  I would also be willing to bet a very difference score the next time around.....in favor of the Lady Beavers!  I'm staying positive and sticking by their side!  Go Blackburn! 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 14, 2010, 09:33:21 pm
Good stuff Illini22    +1 karma  ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: dynasty22 on February 14, 2010, 10:31:43 pm
Hopefan - I remember calling you out at the Beaver Dome and presenting with you with a "Own The Dome" shirt...you took several trips and was a big supporter of our student section. I was a freshmen then and graduated this past December 2009..man how time flys by!
You have always been an avid follower and supporter of the Sliac and all teams for that part...the conference would be far better if we had more supports such as you, Coach Dubb, and Illini22, as well as others that I have forgotten to mention.
I have grown nothing but respect for you and many others on this board over the years..keep it going!
Lastly, Coach Dubb I wish I could be around to see more games and come to the tournament but with being at home right now and have several interviews, timing just won't allow it..so I just want to say Go Beavers!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 16, 2010, 07:58:18 am
Good memories dynasty....

Big game tomorrow Font at Spalding....  if fontbonne wins at Spalding, then vs Prin, and Webster beats Spalding and Prin too...  With those results, I'm pretty sure that Fontbonne would clinch, even with a loss to Webster in Tuesday's finale, as they would have two wins against Westminster, and Webster only split.   (they both would have split with Blackburn and against each other.   On the other hand, if Fontbonne were to lose down at Spalding and Webster beats Spalding on Saturday, Tuesday would be for all the marbles.    That would be fun!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 16, 2010, 06:11:16 pm
Hope, you have too much time on your hands....lol! But we appreciate you breaking all this down for us, as I was totally lost. We have a tough next couple of games to get us back on track, with Greenville on Wednesday and home vs. Spalding. You should come to our home game on Friday night vs. Spalding. It starts at 6pm.
I could get you in free!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 16, 2010, 06:34:10 pm
now then... for a couple burgers and a large shake........
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 16, 2010, 07:51:06 pm
Deal....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 17, 2010, 08:23:47 am
After seeing Prin play last night, I am now convinced that a guard should be this year's MOP.  Nothing against Prin's Sydness, but her stats are bolstered for 2 reasons - the competition she plays against, and that she is really the only scoring threat on her team.  Many of her points last night came after Prin was far out of the game.  She really needs to get stronger, better hands...    My vote (imaginary of course) goes to Collier or Brammel.

Coach Dubb.... it's tempting, but I think I better stay in St Louis on Friday....   I'll see you and the Beavs next week!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: illini22 on February 17, 2010, 12:32:22 pm
I have no opinions on POY candidates. In my opinion, there are too many that are sharing the top spots in many categories (points, rebs, FG %, etc.)  However, I still stick by Kariann Hill for Newcomer of the year.  She is in the top ten in numerous categories and has helped the Beavers get to the tournament, even with losing some of their top players mid-season.  That says a lot for a team in my opinion..... I'm looking forward to what the rest of the season has in store!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 17, 2010, 01:22:23 pm
Though I saw Kariann in one of her less stellar performances, I would agree that her contributions during the conference season have been instrumental in Gettin BC back to the conference tourney despite injuries to their two leading players.  She would seem to be the top candidatefor Newcomer....  Now, if those doggoned coaches would just vote like we tell 'em.... ;D ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 18, 2010, 07:58:45 am
How I see the possibilities in the conference tourney.

Fontbonne wins the critical game with Spalding.... they should have no problem with Prin
So even if they lose to Webster and Webster also beats Spalding, finishing in a tie between Webster and Fontbonne.....  the tiebreaker goes to Fontbonne for sweeping Westminster.  Fontbonne would host the tourney.

Now then the other three spots are obviously locked to Webster Westmin and Blackburn.... but the seeds are not yet locked.   Webster, even if they lose two, has clinched at least third... if they lose two and are tied at 5 losses with Westmin, they win a tiebreaker with Westmin because of Westmin's two losses to Fontbonne while Webster and BC split with Fontbonne.  The only significant shift would happen if Blackburn loses to both Spalding and Mac, which won't likely haappen... in that case BC would finish 4th, and Westmin 3rd assuming two Westmin wins.  If BC loses one of two and finishes tied with Westmin, they too have the tiebreaker over Westmin due to Westmin's two losses to Font.

So highly likely everything is set for the ladies....  BC vs Webster, Font vs Westmin   all at Font.  The only things that can change this is a Font loss to Prin, and or two losses by Blackburn...

Incidently.. a description of the Font 1 point win given to me -  Font down 1, Brammel goes coast to coast feeds Collier who hits an 8 footer at the horn for a 1 point win....   those two are clutch, and real fun to watch.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 18, 2010, 10:25:41 am
Hopefan, I am getting dizzy just reading all of the possibilities...lol!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: illini22 on February 18, 2010, 05:39:23 pm
Coach......hopefan is always on point with the conference standings.  So good to have someone that can fill everyone in.  It's looking like the conference tournament could be an interesting one....can't wait!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: illini22 on February 19, 2010, 11:11:45 pm
Well.....Blackburn gets a much needed win tonight!  Back and forth game the entire way. Although they lost by 15 or so last time they played Spalding, they bounced back and got a W.  Way to go ladies.......keep it up!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 21, 2010, 01:02:30 pm
Interesting comment from a neutral, knowledgeable Spalding fan....  Webster is better than Fontbonne

I missed the first matchup....  and I'm not going to put a lot of stock in the 2nd matchup as the result is meaningless to the pairings in the touney.....

If it becomes the final pairing, it will tell the story

Another great conversation with Coach Dubb, who was off yesterday and came down to take a look at Webster....  I just totally enjoy talking to a coach who will really talk the game to me.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: watchdog on February 21, 2010, 08:11:30 pm
2010 SLIAC Women's Tournament
Fontbonne University (St. Louis, Mo.)

Feb. 26
6:00 - Blackburn vs. Webster
8:00 - Westminster (Mo.) vs. Fontbonne
Feb. 27
7:00 - Championship
   
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2010, 07:03:15 am
I'm looking forward to a fun game tonight between Webster and Fontbonne....  lots of good matchups, two firey coaches, a handful of spirited fans.....  would be fantastic if the student bodies got out and gave these ladies the support they deserve....  bigger game for Webster, a chance to show they can compete at the level of the Griffs, and that they are ready for the tourney....   I am REALLY looking forward to Friday night; it's anybody's tourney....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Into_the_Blue on February 23, 2010, 04:14:06 pm
I'm looking forward to a fun game tonight between Webster and Fontbonne....  lots of good matchups, two firey coaches, a handful of spirited fans.....  would be fantastic if the student bodies got out and gave these ladies the support they deserve....  bigger game for Webster, a chance to show they can compete at the level of the Griffs, and that they are ready for the tourney....   I am REALLY looking forward to Friday night; it's anybody's tourney....

I dont want to take anything away from what Maryville did in this conference, or from the efforts put forth from the opposing teams in recent years.

However it is nice to read a statement like "it's anybodys tourney" and believe it.  Maryville had a great run but Im excited to see a new SLIAC women's champion. 

Since the tournament is set, Hope, do you think the coaches will rest their starters or go all out?  I would guess that Webster will go all out because they could share the conference title...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 23, 2010, 11:20:44 pm
With two of the best players in the conference out all year, I am so proud of what the Blackburn Lady Beavers accomplished this season. To finish the regular season in 2nd place @ 12-4, says a lot about the other talented young ladies on the roster.

I am sooooo proud of you all. You all made me so proud this season, as we battled thru so much adversity, injuries and other crap, nevertheless, we overcame every obstacle and finish strong.

Way to go ladies. Let’s not stop this train until we get to the NCAA tournament. All a board!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2010, 11:59:17 pm
Coach it took a great job by you to pull it together...   looking forward to seeing the Beavs on Friday....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: thenatural13 on February 25, 2010, 03:02:17 pm
take it home this weekend coach dubb!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: illini22 on February 25, 2010, 04:23:31 pm
I am really looking forward to the tourney starting tomorrow night!  Can't wait to see what each team brings....I think the results will be surprising!  Go Blackburn!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 26, 2010, 11:46:06 am
unfortunately will have to miss the DH tonite....will hope to make it tomorrow night!!!  Good luck to everyone...   play your best game!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: illini22 on February 27, 2010, 01:30:43 am
Way to go Blackburn! You really pulled it together tonight......go get 'em in the Championship tomorrow!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 28, 2010, 01:59:56 am
Congrats to Coach Quigley and the Fontbonne ladies, and much success to them in the NCAA tournament. I also want to thank my seniors: Meghan Schultze and Jasmine Robinson for all the hard work, blood, sweat and tears. You will be missed. I also want to thank all of the loyal fans that came out to support our team today, as we gave it all we had. The griffins were better TODAY!

So keep your heads up, and lets get in the weightroom and gym as we want to experience what the ladies from Fontbonne did today.

Love you all,

Coach Dubb

p.s What the hell am I going to do everyday now??? LOL
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 28, 2010, 11:58:54 am
RECRUIT!!!!!

Congrats on a great season..... 

will be interesting to see what next year brings if BC returns their two injured players to add to what they have coming back, and with Fontbonne losing nobody.  And spalding has everyone back...      That's 3 pretty good teams...  Webster will miss Katy Myers shooting, but most of the rest is back......   Don't know enough about the rest of the teams to comment... it will be a great season to look forward to.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 28, 2010, 12:22:58 pm
Katy Meyer is only a junior. I thought you were present when Webster recognized its seniors. The only member of the women's team recognized was Brittany Grant.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 28, 2010, 01:43:55 pm
geeesh, why did I think that..... even more to look forward to next season.....  Thanks for keepin me in line again.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 28, 2010, 06:04:57 pm
2010 SLIAC Women's Basketball All-Conference Team

First Team

Name   Position   
School   
Year   Ht   
Hometown/High School
Kaitlin Bramel   G   Fontbonne   So   5-5   Rolla, Mo./Rolla
Callie Collier   G   Fontbonne   Jr   5-3   Rolla, Mo./Rolla
Lindsay Sydness   F   Principia   So   6-1   Wellesley Hills, Mass./Wellesley
Kelly Harrod   F   Spalding   So   5-9   Mt. Washington, Ky./Bullitt East
Rachel Backes   G   Westminster (Mo.)   So   5-6   Tipton, Mo./Tipton

Second Team

Name   Position   
School   
Year   Ht   
Hometown/High School
Kariann Hill   F   Blackburn   Jr   5-9   Fox Lake, Ill.
Lauren Reed   F   Spalding   Jr   5-10   Frankfort, Ky./Westen Hills (St. Catharine)
Katy Meyer   F   Webster   Jr   5-10   Chesterfield, Mo./Parkway Central
Maggie Zehner   G   Webster   Fr   5-7   St. Louis, Mo./Oakville
Markie England   F   Westminster (Mo.)   Sr   6-0   Centralia, Mo./Centralia

Honorable Mention

Name   Position   
School   
Year   Ht   
Hometown/High School
Chantaivia Knight   F   Eureka   So   6-0   Normal, Ill./University
Mallory Ludwig   C   Fontbonne   Jr   6-2   Freeburg, Ill./Freeburg (SWIC)
Kaitlyn Wise   C   Greenville   Fr   6-1   Rochester, Ill./Rochester
Ashley Jenkins   G   MacMurray   Fr   5-5   St. Louis, Mo./Jennings
Ayrica Lockett   F   Webster   So   5-9   St. Louis, Mo./Crossroads Prep

All-Defensive Team

Name   Position   
School   
Year   Ht   
Hometown/High School
Kendra Schilli   F   Fontbonne   So   5-8   St. Mary's, Mo./Perryville
Lindsay Sydness   F   Principia   So   6-1   Wellesley Hills, Mass./Wellesley
Shontel Bates   G   Spalding   Fr   5-5   Louisville, Ky./Butler
Maggie Zehner   G   Webster   Fr   5-7   St. Louis, Mo./Oakville
Heather Letourneau   G   Westminster (Mo.)   So   5-7   Smithton, Mo./Smithton

Player of the Year   
Newcomer of the Year   
Co-Coaches of the Year
Kaitlin Bramel-Fontbonne   Maggie Zehner-Webster   Mike Williams-Blackburn
Keith Quigley-Fontbonne
Sportsmanship Award
Principia College
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 01, 2010, 04:40:25 pm
I've sent out a couple of PM s with no responses, and there aren't many writers on this page, but would anybody who was present care to elaborate on the incident of a serious issue with a fan abusing officials at the Blackburn - Fontbonne game...   I've heard it was pretty ugly.... only glad I wasn't there......it might have gotten uglier ;D ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on March 01, 2010, 04:53:43 pm
Hey Hope, I have been in meetings all day...will get back with you soon!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 01, 2010, 05:22:14 pm
Thans for the response coach  -  unfortunately, one or two bad apples can present a bad image of a whole group  -  I've had a blast over the years with the Blackburn Students and their support of hoops... lets hope a couple of adults don't spoil it for everyone.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: full court on March 01, 2010, 05:49:09 pm
Not sure what was said but the guy lightly shoved the score table official.  Congrats Fontbonne, not bad for a team that was picked fourth in the conference.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 01, 2010, 05:53:18 pm
'lightly shoved' -sounds like an oxymoron.... any way, I had no idea there was acually physical contact....   it gets worse and worse......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: full court on March 01, 2010, 06:21:16 pm
Not much contact mostly words,but the man looked very angry over something.Too bad he had to miss some of the game Im guessing he may have traveled a long way.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: erkle on March 01, 2010, 07:15:35 pm
I was at both games Friday night and thought that the officiating in the Blackburn-Webster game was bad. However the Westminster-Fontbonne officiating (different crew) was fine. Perception is everything regarding officiating.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 03, 2010, 10:56:06 am
Good luck to Fonbonne on Friday night...  I don't think anyone should be expecting miracles out of a team who will be there for the first time playing against a nationally ranked team.  Ladies, keep your poise, play as well as you can, and come out of it with experience that can lead to even better things next year....   I won't be in Kentucky, but it's been a blast watching you play this season.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on March 05, 2010, 10:02:32 am
Good Luck Fontbonne, represent the SLIAC well....


Coach Dubb
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 10, 2010, 11:57:42 am
Not many will read this, but I can't express how bothered I am regarding everything I've heard about the ugly situation (situations) that occurred during the Lady's Championship Game Blackburn vs Fontbonne.  I can only hope that Blackburn Administration as well as the SLIAC has taken steps to determine the root cause of these problems and will seek solutions.  If the situation demands expulsion of individuals from future SLIAC contests, so be it.  Certainly, as I've said before, better attention needs to be paid to the policy of sportsmanship that is either posted or read read prior to games. Perhaps if certain violations of a less degree had been addressed throughout the season or past seasons - violations that I have pointed out on this site once or twice a year the last several years, things may not have built up to the crescendo that occurred at the conference tourney.  It is a black mark on the SLIAC and on Blackburn, and took away from the accomplishments and celebration of the Champion Fontbonne team.

Because we are Division3,because we are SLIAC, because there is no press coverage and limited views even on this site, some things get overlooked...   this should not be simply forgotten by the admin bodies responsible.   I hope that if there are 'SLIAC meetings', that this is on the agenda...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on September 22, 2010, 03:01:24 pm
Just wanted to wish much luck and good health to all of the teams in the SLIAC. Lets all play well and make the conference proud!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on September 23, 2010, 07:57:42 am
Glad to see that Coach Will (Coach Dubb) is back and ready to go......  wondering how recruiting went coach?   Will there be any significant additions to the Beaver roster tis season?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on September 23, 2010, 10:20:10 am
Hopefan, life is good...I hate this down time, as I feel like a kid waiting for x-mas! Recruiting went well, as I sure it did for every school in the conference. I expect great play from all, as we all try to catch fontbonne.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Denny McKinney on September 28, 2010, 04:45:57 pm
This year is the 10th Reunion of the Ladies of the Sweet 16 team. And, the what is now just reffered to as "The Game". FC's win over Wash U, stopping the 84 game winning streak. A game the Lady Griffin's lead at half and never looked back.

FC hosted Rockford in the 1st round. Went on the road to beat #5 Milliken. Then lost in Minn. to a good Wartburg team by 3. A win would of set up a rematch with Wash U for a trip to the Final Four.

To all the Ladies: Memories are Forever.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on September 28, 2010, 04:55:21 pm
Wish I had been a SLIAC fan back then... would have been great fun to have become involved with an underdog going so far........   Will hope that the ladies will be introduced at a Fontbonne game to be appreciated and applauded by the fans.......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Denny McKinney on September 28, 2010, 09:50:30 pm
Hopefan - D3Hoops picked FC as their cinderella team before the tournament started. Pat had Coach Quiggley on Hoopsville. A neat moment along the way. After beating Milliken in front of a huge crowd, their All American ( I think her last name was Burnett or Barnett ) walk onto our team bus and ask if she could speak to the team. She told the girls she was beat by a better team and to carry the momentum. This was a Sr. AA who had just played her last game. Classiest move I've seen.

I can't speak for the new Administration, but I would expect something will be done to honor the ladies.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 09, 2010, 10:19:02 am
ok ladies.... as long as there are no more riots after games, I vow to give you some coverage this year...  but beware, I call it as I see it....   Of course, if everyone comes back to play, Fontbonne, Webster and Blackburn should be the favorites for Tourney spots... who else?   someone else is going to have to help me, or we'll just have to wait until I see some teams play...   Unless the rest get better, there could be some lopsided games once conference begins..... on the other hand, it will only take a couple of new faces who can play to bring another team into contention..
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 09, 2010, 02:58:46 pm
In reality, as I look at the Rosters, and the stats from last year, virtually every key player from last year.... for every team...  returns...
Webster....  Katie Meyer 10.9 ppg, Maggie Zehner 9.3 ppg, Molly Zehner, Barissa Ford, Blaire Underwood, Tori Fenemor, Megan Willet....   Improvement around the basket is a must, as is reduced turnovers

Fontbonne ...  Kaitlin Bramel 12.6 ppg, Calista Collier 12.8 ppg, Mallory Ludwig  10.8 ppg, Kendra Schilli, Rana Boyd, Shareika April....    When Bramel and Collier get on a roll, a real blast to watch

Blackburn..... Sorry BC.. when I call up your website on my 'lunchtime' computer, it bombs... I'll get some names when I'm at home...

Westminster  Rachel Backes 11 ppg, 6.5 Asst, Liz Klaffenbach 8.5 ppg, Heather Letourneau 8.3 ppg, 5.5 Rpg, Kenna Cornelson, Mary Barber....    I like Brammel and Callier... I like Backes just as much

MacMurray    Ashley Jenkins 10.8 ppg, team lead in assts, Whitney Wade, Kiana Hogan, Rachel Yeast

Eureka  Lisa Byarrd  14.5 ppg, 8.4 rpg, Jaquie flannigan, Kristen Garst...   

Prin   Linday Sydness  16.1 ppg, 10.8 rpg,   Sarah Corbit  13.6 ppg.... top returning twosome statistically in conference

Greenville   Katelyn Wise  12.4 ppg  6.9 rpg,   Laura Holley,  Stacey Lawrence,  Iesha Adams

Spalding   Kelly Harrod  13.3 ppg  7.9 rpg,   Lauren Reed  11.0 ppg  6.8 rpg




Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 11, 2010, 07:58:29 am
Fontbonne at Rolla on Saturday.. I assume it's an exhibition game

Fontbonne at Wash U Monday night to open up the season....   talk about an opportunity to make a statement!!!  WOW....   but Wash U is just so Good.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 11, 2010, 05:11:03 pm
Wash U graduated three starters and at least one key reserve. But they still have plenty of talent. My recollection is that FU didn't lose much to graduation. I alss seem to recall that FU is pretty quick, so if they can find a way to use that to their advantage they can make it an interesting game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 12, 2010, 01:39:20 pm
I remember being somewhat excited about Wash U vs Fontbonne last year....   and the Bears won by 43.....    That has me convinced that the level of play may be so different that Wash U will dominate despite their personnel losses......   Of course neve say never... maybe this is the year....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WUPHF on November 12, 2010, 02:25:54 pm
It may be an interesting game.  But, keep in mind that Washington University ran with Bradley University for 25-30 minutes of the exhibition game last week.

Unfortunately, I will not be in town on Monday, otherwise, I would be organizing a carpool to Jacksonville.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 12, 2010, 02:45:27 pm
WUH, if you have a change in plans, contact me... I'm likely going to go up.... of course, good luck getting up on Tuesday morning
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 12, 2010, 04:03:10 pm
It may be an interesting game.  But, keep in mind that Washington University ran with Bradley University for 25-30 minutes of the exhibition game last week.

Good point. Probably won't even be interesting.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WUPHF on November 12, 2010, 05:33:27 pm
Good point. Probably won't even be interesting.

I hope I didn't sound too discouraging.  I imagine that the Bears fans felt much the same way in advance of the game ten years ago.  I do like this annual series though and I wish WUSTL embraced it more than they do.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 14, 2010, 05:28:58 am
Fontbonne loses to Missou S&T (Rolla)   65-52..

Collier and Bramel both have off nights, but Font still was up by 2 at half.

Rana Boyd and Mallory Ludwig did not play...  injuries?

Two frosh, Shelby Ellison and Chelsey Freymuth and a Soph whose name i don't remember from last year, Leola Hubbard, got lots of  minutes and had good stats.... giving Font depth that only can make them better.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 15, 2010, 11:53:27 am
Well, I've decided to go up to Jacksonville and see the Mac Men host Wash U...   But I wish the Fontbonne ladies best of luck vs Wash U.....   Hopefully Denny McKinney will give us a DETAILED writeup.....   if I can't count on him, there just isn't any hope for this room....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on November 15, 2010, 02:23:06 pm
Ill be watching online, but Ill do my best with the write-up as well, although it will definitely be from more of a WashU perspective. I'm no D. McKinney ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 15, 2010, 02:42:29 pm
No Wydown, my main man Dennis is definitely one of a kind...  thanks for ANY writeup....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on November 15, 2010, 11:59:07 pm
WashU 77  Fontbonne 48

So here is the Fontbonne summary for the time being (the bed is calling my name). I will post more on the UAA thread later this week for some WashU stuff. And I apologize for being a little general in this summary, but I don't know the FU roster very well at all.

First, it wasn't the prettiest game, with the teams combining for 52 turnovers.

Fontbonne did a great job pressuring WashU to stay in the game most of the first half. They showed a 2-3 defense for much of the first half, and the Bears were out of sync early. Some of the turnovers and mistakes were jitters, other mistakes the early season lack of chemistry. WashU played primarily man, but showed some zone. Fontbonne's man-to-man sets were at times a little too complicated for their own good... Their best opportunities to score were on fast break opportunities and simple drive and kicks from defensive breakdowns. Had FU made more of their layups, they would have been able to put a little more pressure on WashU in the second half of the first half.

The second half was ugly. WashU came out of the gates firing on all cylinders... let by their signature great defense, they went on at least a 15-0 run to start the second half (I apologize, but I drifted in and out of MNF and the game at that point).

Hubbard was the lone bright spot for Fontbonne, although most of her efforts (including 2 three's and a break-a-way layup) came well after the game was decided. She can shoot the rock from deep, and one of her three's was a nice one of an on-ball at the top of the key but WashUs second string was in even at that point.

Of Fontbonne's 28 turnovers, a decent chunk were unforced although WashU recorded 14 steals. Tons of simple traveling violations and at least 5 offensive fouls (inc. hooking, illegal screen, 2 charges) in the first half alone.

Fontbonne's guard play was much better than its post play. Not sure if it was WashU's size that bother them or what, but most back to the basket moves didn't really have a chance.

Hard to judge the caliber of the team when it plays a season-opening game against such a tough opponent, but the individual talent seems to certainly be there to make a great run in the SLIAC.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 16, 2010, 12:16:06 pm


Fontbonne's guard play was much better than its post play. Not sure if it was WashU's size that bother them or what, but most back to the basket moves didn't really have a chance.

Hard to judge the caliber of the team when it plays a season-opening game against such a tough opponent, but the individual talent seems to certainly be there to make a great run in the SLIAC.

That says it all Wydowne...  With Callier, Bramel, and the new face Hubbard, Fontbonne has 3 of the best guards in the league and a nice supporting cast....  Mallory Ludwig gives a solid post presence at SLIAC level hoops, but she has not played yet (injury?) .  They are still the favorites in conference until someone else proves different...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 16, 2010, 11:48:28 pm
Webster downs Logan Chiropractic 68-35. After a lopsided first half (45-11) in which Logan couldn't get off many shots and when they did they weren't even close, it was pretty even in the second half, and it wasn't due to a lot of reserves getting big minutes for Webster. Coach O rotated lots of players in and out the whole game. Logan played better in the second half and they have some players who would fit right in at a lot of SLIAC schools. I'm sure they lack coaching, practice time, etc. compared to schools with more organized alhletic programs. They only had 8 players, but they didn't seem to wear down and were playing just as hard as Webster at the end.

This was a typical frenetic Webster game with lots of turnovers on both sides. I wish I could see a box score and check out Webster's 2nd half shooting percentage. Has to be below 30%.

Interesting new player for Webster is junior transfer Tyelia Gant. She's wearing #2, worn by Ayrica Lockett the past two years. Sure hope she doesn't get jinxed by that number and miss a lot of putbacks under the basket. Happened a few times tonight. We'll see if it becomes a pattern.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 17, 2010, 09:24:09 am
This was a typical frenetic Webster game with lots of turnovers on both sides. I wish I could see a box score and check out Webster's 2nd half shooting percentage. Has to be below 30%.

Turnovers: Logan 24, Webster 20.

Webster 2nd half shooting: 9-36, 25%. Not a problem last night, but ...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 18, 2010, 01:55:29 pm
just noticed on SLIAC.org that Blackburn lost their opener by 16 to Robert Morris Springfield..... ouch

Didn't realize the Greenville Westminster tourney also includes the ladies vs Hendrix and Rhodes at Greenville   the ladies play at 1 and 3......    4 games each day Fri and Sat.!!!

Fonbonne plays in tourneyat Adrian against Wittenburg.... we don't often get to see SLIAC schools measured against out of region competition... interesting.....

And Webster up at North Central Ill tourney....   

Good games all over....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 24, 2010, 09:46:23 am
Fun lady's game at Fontbonne last night as Fontbonne won a game against Missouri Bap....  Bramel and Collier are not firing on all cylinders yet, and Mallory Ludwig won't return until January, but Rana Boyd took up the scoring slack last night and newcomers Shelby Ellison and Chelsey Freymouth are both valuable additions....  and Kendra Schilli plays tough defense and rebounds vs bigger people...

Mo Bap... no clue how they could lose that game.. bigger, stronger, better athletes... why they didn't go inside EVERY time down the court is a mystery to me...  Maybe I should get back into the business, because old school hoops, especially on the ladies side of things, would win a lot of games at this level....

While fontbonne won, Webster took another ugly thrashing....  a very disappointed Yjak joined me for the 2nd half of the Fontbonne men's game after leaving the webster girls game... didn't have much positive to say... this is another group of ladies with some basketball talent who seem somewhat 'disoriented' in game situations
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Denny McKinney on November 24, 2010, 11:33:03 am
Rana Boyd.... Back to Back double - doubles. Last nite 20 and 12 with the game winning shot. FU had 2 straight overtime wins coming in and almost needed another.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 24, 2010, 06:57:26 pm
While fontbonne won, Webster took another ugly thrashing....  a very disappointed Yjak joined me for the 2nd half of the Fontbonne men's game after leaving the webster girls game... didn't have much positive to say... this is another group of ladies with some basketball talent who seem somewhat 'disoriented' in game situations

The Webster defense does a decent job against teams of comparable talent, which Rose-Hulman is. R-H had an overall height advantage, but the Lady Gorloks rebounded well enough with them. Interior passing offense was mystifying, however, constantly trying to make passes when the defense was clearly in position to make a steal or disrupt the pass. I think there is just a general issue of the players not having good court vision. I know its challenging out there on the floor, but somehow they just have to figure out when the pass is makeable and when it's not. Also need to take open shots sooner rather than trying to continue to run the offense. I understand the strategy of the extra pass to get a better open look, but it just isn't happening from what I've seen in two games. "Disoriented" is a good word. You put it in quotes, hopefan. Did use that last night in our conversation?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on November 24, 2010, 08:10:12 pm
nope... just to put a little emphasis on it.... ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WUPHF on November 27, 2010, 06:13:29 pm
Webster University downed visiting Augustana (0-4) 62-60 with the game winning shot coming at 0.04.  The Vikings travel three miles north on Big Bend to play Washington University tomorrow at 2:00 pm.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on November 27, 2010, 10:34:17 pm
Webster University downed visiting Augustana (0-4) 62-60 with the game winning shot coming at 0.04.  The Vikings travel three miles north on Big Bend to play Washington University tomorrow at 2:00 pm.

I think the Wash U women will avenge the men's loss to the Vikings with no trouble tomorrow.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on November 30, 2010, 12:06:57 am
Webster University downed visiting Augustana (0-4) 62-60 with the game winning shot coming at 0.04.  The Vikings travel three miles north on Big Bend to play Washington University tomorrow at 2:00 pm.

I think the Wash U women will avenge the men's loss to the Vikings with no trouble tomorrow.

They did 78-48
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 04, 2010, 05:56:17 pm
Nice all around game for the Lady Gorloks. Solid in every phase of the game. They were clearly the better team and played like it from start to finish. That's the way you  play basketball.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Denny McKinney on December 04, 2010, 07:41:17 pm
Fontbonne pounds Prin.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on December 05, 2010, 02:31:43 pm
from early results, it appears that the leading contenders for conference tourney are Greenville, Westmin, Fontbonne and Webster...   can BC get back in the mix... or am I overrating Webster who has looked great in the last week against very poor Mac and Eureka squads....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 12, 2010, 10:20:34 am
A gutsy win for the Lady Gorloks yesterday against a very similar team. All but seven of Webster's 75 points were scored by starters, but still some nice defensive minutes off the bench. Katy Meyer sat with four fouls for a long stretch of the second half and put up 26 points in 24 minutes. We're used to seeing her hit those three pointers but she got some nice buckets nearer the basket yesterday. If she can continue to do that, and still hit threes, watch out!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on December 13, 2010, 09:50:14 pm
Yjak... I looked up Central to see how they had been doing, and they are only 3-7... but lo and behold, one of their wins is over Westminster, 83- 74, early in the season.... all the same people played for Central...  very interesting.......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on December 25, 2010, 12:48:26 pm
Nothing has changed my mind so far that the top 4 women's teams remain as Webster, Greenville, Fontbonne, and Westmin, with Blackburn being the unknown, and Spalding being the spoiler....   I'll be surprised if Eureka, Mac, or Prin can break in to the top 4, though Prin has a couple of very good players who may still make an impact.

Given that, what does the first week of January look like on the ladies' side?

On the 4th, two interesting games... Webster plays at BC... BC was certainly looked at as a top 4 team in conference before the season, but have struggled to a 1-9 start.... whether it's a tough schedule, injuries, or other factors, that's a sad start.... a win over Webster could show that they still need to be considered a threat... a loss at home to Webster, well, would not be good... Webster's 5-4 start has been a pleasant surprise, but their two conference wins were against the bottom 2 teams Eureka and Mac... will be interesting to see how they handle BC's pressure in the matchbox....   
The other interesting game has Greenville going down to Spalding... a long trip, a long lay off, could be difficult to overcome... After seeing Greenville early in the season, I came away very impressed... nice to see that program back in the hunt.....

on the 6th BC travels to Westmin... very tough game for them... 2 losses in the Webster/Westmin games will just about make for an early wrap to the season for BC... two wins would turn EVERYTHING around....

Then on Saturday the 8th, Fontbonne at Webster...  I'm ALMOST as anxious to see this game as the second game that afternoon between the men.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 30, 2010, 12:30:23 am
Webster gets a 55-47 win over Whittier in California. Brief write up on the Webster website. Another game tomorrow against Pomona (or is it Pomona-Pitzer?).
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2010, 08:20:08 am
It's Pomona Pitzer, and they have a 1-6 record...  the 6 losses all in double digits.. only win is against Southwester - Arizona, a team that is well uh, not very good....

I notice Webster had 26 turnovers vs Whittier!!!!   Also, Maggie Zehner AND Barissa Ford not in box score???  If they are both out for awhile, that's a HUGE hit.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 30, 2010, 10:17:34 am
Right about Pomona-Pitzer. They are separate educational institutions but have a joint intercollegiate athletics program.

As for Webster's turnovers, the write up on the Webster website says: "Head coach Jordan Olufson said it was a typical game after coming off an 11-day break, with 'very low scoring, while getting the rust off;.”
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on December 30, 2010, 11:37:30 am
Without Barissa and Maggie.. if that happens... at Blackburn... can Webster approach the one turnover per minute mark??? ;D ;D ;D   and still win!!!???
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 30, 2010, 06:07:52 pm
Webster 70 Pomona-Pitzer 46. After leading 27-25 at halftime Webster outscores P-P 43-21 in the 2nd half. Webster with 27 turnovers. Link to box score: http://www.pe.pomona.edu/sports/wbkb/2010-11/files/wu-pp.htm
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2011, 12:34:10 pm
some scores that surprised me last night...

Westmin over Mac by 18 was expected....  I think Mac had some new faces on the team, which helped their depth, and at one point in time they had a nice comeback from down + 20 to cutting it to 10...  Westminster closed it out strongly...

Greenville crushed by Spalding???   Greenville looked very good in December when I saw them, spalding hadn't done anything special... as with the men, the long layoff and the long trip to Louisville may have been difficult to overcome

Fontbonne 71 Eureka 58..   a win by only 13?...  Fontbonne is the preseason choice to win the conference; Eureka is struggling.. they lost to Webster by 40!!!  I would have thought this would be a bigger margin... it's not like the box score indicates a huge fontbonne lead and a comeback by Eureka vs Fontbonne bench

Most interesting is BC over Webster by 3....  Critical win by Blackburn.... almost a must... they will have hands full over at Westmin, but this win establishes that they are in contention for a top 4 spot... tough for Webster to play at prior level without Barissa Ford and Maggie Zehner... these are the two that really push the ball down the floor...  word on the street is that Maggie will be back this week, Barissa likely out for year..... interesting stat.. BC 19 for 38 from the line, Webster 11 for 20

too bad Spalding not eligible for conf tourney yet...  would make things much more interesting.... I still can't see Prin, Mac, Eureka, breaking the barrier of the top 5... Who will be No 5

Westmin won't be
Fontbonne is not playing as well as last year, (missing Ludwig more than thought?), but is too good not to be top 4

That leaves 3 battling it out for 3, 4..... Gville (did I overrate them?), Webster (so many turnovers!) and BC (2-9 but with the win over Webster)..  
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 05, 2011, 02:29:33 pm
Most interesting is BC over Webster by 3....  Critical win by Blackburn.... almost a must... they will have hands full over at Westmin, but this win establishes that they are in contention for a top 4 spot... tough for Webster to play at prior level without Barissa Ford and Maggie Zehner... these are the two that really push the ball down the floor...  word on the street is that Maggie will be back this week, Barissa likely out for year..... interesting stat.. BC 19 for 38 from the line, Webster 11 for 20

Yep, it was the fouling by Webster that had more to do with the outcome than the fact that Sierra Shiplely glued herself to Katy Meyer (and by that I don't mean she was fouling her -- just realy good defense) for the whole game making it hard for Katy to take a shot, much less make one. When one team takes 18 more free throws than another there is a high probability that it will have a lot to do with the outcome of the game.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 05, 2011, 02:46:57 pm
Without Barissa and Maggie.. if that happens... at Blackburn... can Webster approach the one turnover per minute mark??? ;D ;D ;D   and still win!!!???

I didn't come close with this one... Webster cut turnovers to "only" 21, but got beat  :-[
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on January 05, 2011, 11:02:06 pm
Just wanted to wish everyone a happy new year. I also want to say again, every team is the SLIAC is worthy of being in the top four. Stop counting out teams, its a mistake. Hope, see you out at a game this year.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 06, 2011, 07:52:04 am
Glad to see Coach Will is still afan of this room!!!

May even see you tonite, Coach....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 07, 2011, 10:54:33 am
Did not get over to Fulton to see Westmin BC...  Westmin wins by 20.....   I saw Webster beat Prin... they're going to have to play better than that if they are to beat Fontbonne... even with Maggie Zehner returning.....   Megan Willet had a great game last night, really goes to basket hard..... 

and Coach Will.....Prin, Mac, EC... No Way....   I'd bet that steak dinner on it...... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Denny McKinney on January 07, 2011, 04:41:19 pm
Mallory Ludwig made her season debut, late in Tuesday nites game. By far the happiest girl in the gym. Frosh Freymuth has stepped in and done a great job. Mallory gets some conditioning in and you can play both together. That will make FU big down low.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 09, 2011, 10:52:25 am
Great win for Webster ovee Fontbonne yesterday. Out of a timeout with just over 11 seconds left Webster nbounds the ball, makes two great passes to players who eluded defenders and Megan Willet gets a game winning wide-open layup with 2.8 seconds left. Very sweet.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 09, 2011, 12:29:28 pm
Font - Web ladies..... SLIAC ladies hoops at its best... not pretty, in fact downright ugly...  but 10 kids playing with everything they had, two coaches making every move they could, the 200 spectators totally into it..... Thanks ladies for a wonderfully exciting game...  hoping you'll do it again at Fontbonne, and maybe even again in the conference tourney.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 13, 2011, 10:06:02 am
Westmin dominant over Greenville.... put 5 in double figure scoring... right now they are the class of the league....   4 teams appear to still be battling for the next 3 spots, and Spalding can beat any of them but not yet eligible for conference tourney.... 

Question.. why do Spalding games count in league standings if they are not permitted to play in conference tourney...     what am i missing? 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Denny McKinney on January 14, 2011, 08:50:55 pm
Congrats to Cali Collier for joining the FU 1000 pt club. She definately has gotten more out of less size then anyone coming through the Lady Griffin's program.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 14, 2011, 09:04:36 pm
Agreed Denny... Calli and backcourt mate Katelym Brammel have been a pleasure to watch the last couple of years....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 15, 2011, 03:02:48 pm
Article on Spalding's website says Spalding 71 Webster 59. Katy Meyer and Megan Willett with 16 each for Webster.

http://www.spaldingathletics.com/wbb-webster11511.html
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 15, 2011, 07:48:06 pm
Spalding article is wrong. Maggie Zoehner had 16 not Megan Willett.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 16, 2011, 12:09:07 pm
Fontbonne looked very good in defeating Greenville yesterday...  Bramel, Callier and Boyd all hit double digits, and Shelby Ellison looked very good off the bench.....  Greenville lost Kate Wise early in 2nd half..hope she's ok...  looks like the 3-4 spot is still a toss up between Greenville, Webster and Blackburn

Using the hopefan standings explained on the men's page

Webster is +1 for beating one of the top 3, Fontbonne

Greenville is 0  theyve lost in top 3 games (Font, Westmin, or Spalding), they've won at home and lost on the road to middle 3 (Gville, BC, Webster), and they've beat bottom 3 (Prin, EC, and Mac)

BC is also at 0
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 19, 2011, 07:28:45 am
Big games on the ladies side tonight,,
BC at Fontbonne...  Fontbonne played very well vs Greenville... They should win this one... BC needs a big unexpected win to jump into playoff contention... this is their opportunity

Westmin at Webster....  Webster scored the stunner at home against Fontbonne, can they do it again vs Westmin... it would put them into a very positive position for a playoff spot if they do.....having seen Westmin, I think Webster will have a tough time beating them... not a big talent difference, but I was very impressed with how Westmin took care of the ball and made the extra pass for good shots....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 20, 2011, 01:34:28 pm
tough room.. :'( :'(

Font nips BC at home, Webster crushed by Westmin, Greenville beats Mac

hopefan standings for 3rd 4th, 5th stay the same

Webster +1 for beating fontbonne
Greenville 0
Blackburn 0
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 21, 2011, 10:31:08 am
Critical game tomorrow for Fontbonne at Spalding... Fontbonne needs this one if they want to maintain hope of catching Westminster in the standing and bringing the conference tourney to St Louis...   Equally important is Webster vs Greenville in the quest for a playoff spot...Gville needs to defend their home court......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on January 21, 2011, 11:03:36 pm
Hey Hope, B.C should have gotten a negative number for giving away the game at Fontbonne on Wednesday.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 22, 2011, 05:21:16 am
In your mind yes, coach, but it was expected in the hopefan standings.... you would have gotten a +1 for a win though.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 22, 2011, 09:28:16 pm
Greenville has a costly loss at home vs Webster.... BC beats Eureka, Spalding beats Fontbonne....

Hopefan standings

Webster +2     win over Fontbonne, Win at Greenville
BC   0
Greenville  -1    loss at home vs Webster
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 23, 2011, 12:00:19 am
Congrats to Katy Meyer on eclipsing the 1,000 point mark for her career.

Sure would like to see Webster slow the game down a bit with a 12-14 point lead and 2 1/2 minutes to play.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 24, 2011, 06:31:53 am
Webster used some different people against Greenville... or at least there was a redistribution of minutes... and several people who got opportunity did very well  ... in particular Molly Zehner, Airyn Miller, and off the injury list Tori Fenimore....  the win at Greenville puts the Gorlocks in excellent position for a tourney spot headed into the second half of the conference season....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on January 25, 2011, 09:25:40 am
the ladies games tonite and tomorrow are mostly top 6 vs bottom 3...

Webster over Prin
Spalding over Eureka
Westmin over Mac

4th game is huge   Greenville at BC....   
Critical for Greenville as it is a big opportunity to bounce back from the home loss to Webster... you only get so many chances to make up ground for a playoff spot, and this is one of them

Critical for BC to stay ahead of Greenville for the 4th playoff spot, if they lose, they fall behind Greenville, and would have to make up ground themselves......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on January 26, 2011, 02:23:45 pm
Webster over Prin as hopefan predicted. This time with a mid-teens lead and 2+ minutes to play it was not necessary for Webster to slow down the game, as it might have been smart for them to do against Greenville. Prin doesn't have what it takes to overcome that kind of lead in a short period of time. So coach cleared the bench and got some nice energetic play from Hillary Trimble (who got a mention from hopefan on the men's board) with a great sideline steal and layup, Lisa Adden with a bucket, and Amanda Archangel who always seems poised on the floor.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Into_the_Blue on January 31, 2011, 01:40:28 pm
Don't stop by here a lot, but wanted to tell Coach Braden and her lady Jays great job so far!  Keep up the good work! 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: erkle on February 01, 2011, 11:32:09 am
Don't stop by here a lot, but wanted to tell Coach Braden and her lady Jays great job so far!  Keep up the good work! 

X2 Coach Braden really has her team playing with confidence.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Denny McKinney on February 01, 2011, 04:35:29 pm
Should be a great rematch next Monday nite.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 01, 2011, 06:49:49 pm
Coach Braden is by far the Coach of the Year in the SLIAC this year. Awesome job, Tracy
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:29:37 pm
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 06, 2011, 03:14:05 pm
Huge week for the ladies.... will go far in determining conference tourney matchups

current standings

Westmin   11 - 0
Spalding   10 - 2   (not yet eligible for conf tourney)
Webster   8  - 3   
Fontbonne    7 - 3
Blackburn  7 - 5
Greenville  4 - 6

Monday   Fontbonne at Westmin
Wednesday   Blackburn at Webster
Friday   Spalding at Webster
Saturday   Spalding at Fontbonne
Saturday   Westminster  at  Blackburn

There could be a real shakeup!!!!   If Blackburn could score the major upsets over Westmin and win at Webster, we could have 3 teams with 5 losses at the end of the week!!!!

On the other hand, if BC goes down twice, they would fall to even with Greenville for the final slot if Greenville can beat Prin and Mac










Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 07, 2011, 09:40:53 pm
The week starts out with Westmin beating Fontbonne 76 - 67.... hope it was a good game... I expect this to be the conference finals matchup.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 08, 2011, 10:50:08 am
I know the Fontbonne upperclass ladies are likely disappointed with their performance vs Westmin, but wow, great games for the 2 frosh

Chelsey Freymuth goes 8 for 15 from field, 4 for 5 from line for 20 points, 7 rebounds...  all in just 23 minutes (she fouled out)
Shelby Ellison goes 4 for 7 with 1 for 1 on a 3 pointer, 6 for 7 from the line, 3 boards

Great performances for 2 frosh against the best team in the league....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 10, 2011, 11:37:06 am
poor performance by Webster vs BC last night... but I tip my Hope hat to Maggie Zehner... the young lady just hustles 100% all the time.. getting the ball up the floor against Blackburn's pressure Defense, trying to jumpstart the offense with penetration to the basket (if Maggie could make 90% of the layups she creates, she would be an All American), and playing pressure defense against BC's quick guards....  Maggie does so much for Webster that her mistakes are magnified and critisized... believe me, if she wasn't controlling the ball and the flow of the game, Webster would be back in the lower 3 or 4 pack with PC, EC, and Mac....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 10, 2011, 03:43:20 pm
Great job by the Lady Beavers last night, as you all  played awsome. I hope that you can carry that defense that you played last night into the Westmin game. No matter what others think, you are a good team, and can win the tournament.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 10, 2011, 04:41:11 pm
Would agree NO RESPECT....  did not mean to belittle The Beav's performance at all... they totally took Webster out of their offense, if Webster has an offense... KatyMeyer rarely touched the ball... wondering why you would think no one else thinks they are a good team.... at the SLIAC level, I KNOW they are a good team, especially after seeing them last night..... But at the next level, the first round of the NCAA tourney, the SLIAC champ has a long, long, long way to go.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 12, 2011, 11:59:41 am
Well played game by Webster last night. Some well designed plays that resulted in good scoring opportunities, enough of which were converted to get a win. The article on the Webster website incorrectly states that Webster swept the two games with Spalding: "Webster swept the season series against the second place Golden Eagles, inflicting two of their three SLIAC losses on the season." However, Webster lost at Spalding 71-59 on 1/15/11.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2011, 11:32:36 am
Agreed Yjak, much better vs Spalding... Katie Meyer able to get some open looks, Megan Willet has an active game going to the basket....

The last week and a half of the season is just full of meaningful games that will establish the tournament matchups.... anyone want to finish 4th and meet Westmin on the opening night...I doubt it...

right now
Westmin  13 - 0
Font  9 - 4
Webster 9 - 4
BC  8 - 6
Gvlle  6 - 6

Fontbonne has at Gville, at BC, Webster at home
Webster has at Westmin, Gville at home, at Font
BC has at Eureka, Font at home
and Gville is at Eureka, Font at home, At Webster, and Spalding at home


I think Gville loses 3 and is eliminated
I think Webster loses 2 and finishes with 6 losses
That means Font finishes 2nd and the key game is Font At BC  --- under my other 'thinks', if Font wins, BC finishes with 7 losses and in 4th.....  if BC wins, they finish tied with Webster, and give 2 wins over Webster, would finish 3rd, Webster 4th....


Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 13, 2011, 12:20:17 pm
Hey Hope,

Westmin is really good. Congrats to Coach Braden, as she has done a wonderful job with those ladies.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 13, 2011, 01:15:11 pm
Agreed Coach... that team is not a lot more athletic or talented than other SLIAC teams.. but I was very impressed with how hard they play, and the extra passes that lead to good shots....  in the SLIAC, so many 'shots' are not much more than out of control 'prayers'... I don't see that at Westmin..... this team is truly a coach's success.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 16, 2011, 07:53:55 am
props to Mac for getting their first league win last night, winning at Prin....  Mac had the lead vs Greenville athalf last Saturday, but couldn't handle Greenville's press in the 2nd half... nice to see them get a win last night...

Big games tonite, with Webster at Westmin (a Webster upset would give the conference tourney a bit more of an interesting look), Fontbonne at Greenville (a must win for Greenville), and Blackburn at Eureka (a must win for Blackburn).
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:37:48 pm
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 18, 2011, 08:44:59 am
Just a quick review of standing and conference tourney possibilities....

Blackburn's sqeaker of a win over Eureka, eased things a bit, but there are still several real scenarios as to whom wil be out of the logjam for the 4th spot...

Undefeated Westmin is obviously our champ and will host the Thursday - Saturday conference tourney
Beyond that though...
Fontbonne has 4 losses and has clinched a spot in the tourney
Webster with 5 losses, BC with 6 losses and Greenville with 7 losses are stil alive for the other two spots, depending on tiebreakers...

remaining games for those 3 are

BC at Fontbonne
Greenville at Webster
Spalding at Greenville
Webster at Fontbonne

If BC beats Fontbonne, BC is IN
Greenville must beat Webster and Spalding to have a chance to be in... otherwise, they would have 8 losses, and be out

The fun would be if Greenville won both of those games... unlikely, but not beyond the realm off possibility...  if they did, they would finish with 7 losses, and if Blackburn lost to Fontbonne they would have 7 losses, and if Webster also lost to Fontbonne, as well as to Greenville, they would have 7 losses too.... The key is Greenville... a loss, and the 4 teams in the tourney are locked.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 18, 2011, 02:53:26 pm
Funny, I find this stuff really interesting, exciting....  but obviously no one else does... no parents, no friends of players, no boyfriends of players, no players, none of our prior posters,     
not even Coach Will.......................... sorry, ladies....... :'(
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: erkle on February 18, 2011, 11:02:17 pm
Funny, I find this stuff really interesting, exciting....  but obviously no one else does... no parents, no friends of players, no boyfriends of players, no players, none of our prior posters,     
not even Coach Will.......................... sorry, ladies....... :'(

Hope, I am a Westminster fan, and follow this forum. Your analysis is spot on, these girls play hard and with big hearts. Keep the commentary coming.

Blue Jay Dad
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 19, 2011, 01:47:36 am
Hope,

Coach Will is business watching film and preparing for a tough Fontbonne team. And no, there is nothing funny about that post...its a dogfight!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 20, 2011, 06:08:36 pm
Last night's results finalize the ladie's tourney

at Westmin Thursday, Saturday afternoon

Westmin 1  vs Blackburn 4 - both games during year were double digit wins for Westmin

Fontbonne vs Webster in 2-3 game    they also play on Tuesday in final regular season game...  first game between the two was a classic.. Webster winning a stunner....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: formersliaccommish on February 22, 2011, 11:40:04 am
Nobody has noticed, or at least not commented, on the shuffling of the Women's standings and Tournament lineup.

Apparently Blackburn used an ineligible player in three January games costing them three wins and Greenville has now clinched the fourth spot in the Tournament.

The revised standings and Tournament lineup are on the SLIAC website.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 22, 2011, 01:45:23 pm
That's a stunner and a disappointment to fans of Coach Will on this page.... doing a little detective work, it appears to me that if it was an ineligible player who did not play in other wins, it was a player who played very few minutes in the games that were forfeited... unfortunately, the TEAM pays the penalty, particularly disappointing in this case where they worked hard for a conference tourney spot only to be eliminated off the court.....

Who bears the responsibility in this case?  Does Blackburn have a compliance officer? or is the Coach, or the AD the responsible party?

I know Greenville didn't want to gain entry to the tourney this way.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: NO RESPECT on February 22, 2011, 05:49:51 pm
Everyone:
Coach Dubb did not break any rules, nor did anyone on his coaching staff. The young lady that played did not score 1 point in any of the games, and she played less than a minute in three games and under three minutes in the other two that Blackburn had to forfeit.

This mistake happened during the certification process, which happens before the season started. Coach Dubb was told that the young lady was ok, as he was for all of the players.

Coach Dubb and his players were heartbroken to find out on Friday that they could not play in the SLIAC tournament. I know he was really sad for his seniors, especially Sierra Shipley.

So everyone, please realize that this is a tough time for the program, and don't make assumptions. It was a mistake...The Coach and player is not sore or upset with anyone, and we asked that all negativity on this issue be kept to a minimum.


thanks,

No Respect
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 22, 2011, 06:36:57 pm
NO RESPECT is right. At every school of which I'm aware of the certification process, it is handled by a designated athletics compliance officer, generally (for obvious reasons) a school employee who works in the school's records office such as the registrar or assistant registrar. It involves the sort of transcript work and NCAA bureaucratic minutiae that coaches are neither trained for nor qualified to deal with. Coaches are thus dependent upon school officers in terms of knowing who is eligible and who isn't. In most cases they do not even have the legal right to access a student-athlete's transcript unless the school has specifically authorized them to do so.

Gotta stick up for my man (and fellow North Park alumnus) Coach Will!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 22, 2011, 07:50:38 pm
NO RESPECT is right. At every school of which I'm aware of the certification process, it is handled by a designated athletics compliance officer, generally (for obvious reasons) a school employee who works in the school's records office such as the registrar or assistant registrar. It involves the sort of transcript work and NCAA bureaucratic minutiae that coaches are neither trained for nor qualified to deal with. Coaches are thus dependent upon school officers in terms of knowing who is eligible and who isn't. In most cases they do not even have the legal right to access a student-athlete's transcript unless the school has specifically authorized them to do so.

Gotta stick up for my man (and fellow North Park alumnus) Coach Will!
Thanks Sager.....At least someone has my back...LOL
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2011, 08:38:15 am
PLEASE... no implications form my post.... only questioning who goofed up....  I'm with you the whole way Coach Will......
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 23, 2011, 08:46:26 am
Crazy finish to last night Webster - Fontbonne game... fantastic comeback by Webster to erase a 14 point deficit and go ahead with under 5 minutes... the lead is exchanged, tie game under 20 secs with Webster looking for last shot, the ball goes loose and is recovered by a Fontbonne player who is knocked off her feet by a diving Webster player... whistle, foul... NO, the call is travelling!!!  Webster ball with 4.5 near mid court.. throw in should go towards hoop, right?   NO throw it back towards mid court line, intercepted and stolen by Fontbonne's Calli Collier who drives in, gets fouled, makes a free throw, and Fontbonne wins.  So Webster and Fontbonne split last second wins in two games that are absolute gems...  and they meet again on thursday night in Fulton in ladies conference tourney....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on February 23, 2011, 09:39:13 am
PLEASE... no implications form my post.... only questioning who goofed up....  I'm with you the whole way Coach Will......
Thanks Hope...It has been a tough few days around beaver land. I guess we all have cried enough over it, so now we have to move on. I wish all four teams luck in the tournament this weekend.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 04:30:50 pm
Final Regional Rankings before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 24, 2011, 08:26:18 am
Good luck to all four ladie's teams tonight in the conference tourney - hope Westmin students and community will show up in large numbers to support all four teams and create an exciting atmosphere.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 24, 2011, 09:11:34 pm
Call from furbug in Fulton -- Webster 72 Fontbonne 68. Apparently Webster trailed the whole game, but pulled it out at the end. I must say, these ladies have played their best ball of the season the last 4-5 games. Congratulations and good luck tomorrow.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 25, 2011, 06:51:40 am
Clearly a third classic game between Fontbonne and Webster....  looks like wonderful balance in scoring for Webster... all five starters hit double figures.... and a lot of offensive rebounds (16) likely were 2 of the keys to the win... I saw a score of Webster down 6 with about 7 minutes left, so it was a great comeback....   Tall order for a championship win, but stranger things have happened.....   wonder if Furbug will do double duty on Saturday....

 and congrats too to Westmin... another solid win....clearly the best SLIAC season for a ladies team since Maryville departed..... They deserve a shot at the big show.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 26, 2011, 03:48:35 pm
Tall order for a championship win, but stranger things have happened.....   

uhhhh   do you believe in miracles????  You'd better....

Webster  74   Westminster  58
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on February 26, 2011, 10:51:33 pm
After seeing the second half of Webster's last regular season game against Fontbonne, even though it ended in a loss, the outcome of the tournament, while it surprises me a little, is not nearly as unexpected as it might have been just three weeks ago. Something clicked in that second half at FU and if that could be bottled and let loose in the tournament, then this weekend's results were entirely possible and not even close to being a miracle. Kudos to the players and coaches for saving the best for last.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 27, 2011, 08:00:44 am
The Gorlock men's game was radiant with the smiles and joy of the young ladies of the Gorlock ladies team celebrating the huge win....and loving the men winning too... what a great day for Webster...... 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 28, 2011, 08:47:03 am
the D3hoops projected bracket has the Webster ladies going to.... Louisiana!!!!! ::) :o

Ladies and families, don't get either excited, or panic over this... D3 does a great job of predicting who will be in the tourney, but the break down to brackets is anyone's guess....  don't book the flights and rooms until the official announcement comes out this afternoon!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Out_Of_My_Kitchen on February 28, 2011, 08:59:18 am
Great Point.  The D3 Brackets do a great job if this was a D1 tournament and would give the best teams the best shot at the Final Four.  Unfortunately, this will depend on saving money by saving flights. 

In a perfect world the D3 bracket would be correct. 
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: WUPHF on February 28, 2011, 03:22:50 pm
Webster University draws Illinois Wesleyan for round one.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on February 28, 2011, 03:34:27 pm
and Wash U the 460 miles to Hope!!!!!!
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 02, 2011, 11:37:20 am
Congratulations to Webster's Katy Meyer for being one of the 11 finalists for the pretigious Josten's Award..... this is just an incredible accomplishment....

I quote from the announcement....

The Jostens Trophy is a national award created by the Rotary Club of Salem, Va., to honor the most outstanding men's and women's Division III basketball players of the year. The award takes into account three vital parts: basketball ability, academic prowess and community service. The trophy models the Rotary International motto of "Service above Self" by recognizing those who truly fit the ideal of the well-rounded Division III student-athlete. This year's class marks the 14th year the award has been presented.

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 14, 2011, 03:35:09 pm
With the loss of AD/Men's coach at Blackburn, I am wondering (hoping) that good guy Coach Will has retained his position....   can anyone respond?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 15, 2011, 12:33:30 pm
Congrats to Eureka's Caty Eeten on being named D3Hoops Central Region Freshman of the Year....   Unfortunately, the only time I saw Eureka play this year was early in the first semester, and Caty was not with the team...

Checking out her stats, Katy averaged 19 points in conference games and led her team in scoring, rebounding and assists... She was the SLIAC Newcomer of the Year and was 2nd Team All conference.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 16, 2011, 01:06:58 pm
The interest in this page seems to have dwindled to me writing to myself....

so... as my favorite announcer back in the day (Bob Prince) used to say...

"You can kiss it goodbye!!!!!" :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on March 16, 2011, 02:29:14 pm
There is interest on this page...
With my eyes and ears turned towards the Final Four, I don't have too much to add to the SLIAC news, but you definitely have a frequent reader in myself.

I had the same feeling with the UAA board earlier in the season -- watching a few games of each team and writing thoughts and news with no responses from other fans/posters. There are folks out there, some like myself have nothing good to say/add so we don't say anything at all  ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: erkle on March 16, 2011, 10:17:13 pm
Hope, I also follow this thread, I appreciate your analysis and as a rule, am in agreement with it. I am a Westminster fan and am really proud of the girls for the great effort they gave this season. Coach Braden and Coach Coop are top notch and they get 105% effort from their players.

Keep posting, I am watching.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 16, 2011, 11:06:26 pm
I, too, am here, hopefan.

I just don't have anything to contribute (except rarely).  Critics may note that that doesn't always stop me elsewhere, but you know what they say about critics! :o ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on March 21, 2011, 07:42:41 pm
Hope, you can't leave this group. as many of us look forward to your analysis every year. You will see Coach Will on the sidelines next year at Blackburn.   He has not been on much as he has been very busy recruiting, especially since he loses three seniors.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 22, 2011, 06:54:40 am
Good to hear that Coacjh Will has not been caught up in the personnel turnover going on at BC...  Coach Will, I had a blast at your alma mater a couple weekends ago.. hit a couple hot spots down by the river.... Very good crowds both nights at the games...
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 23, 2011, 07:09:11 am
ooops... thought coach Will went to Augie, but when I checked his bio, I find it was North Park... My mistake....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 24, 2011, 05:32:54 pm
From fontbonne.edu     a shocker

March 24, 2011- Fontbonne University head women’s basketball coach Keith Quigley has stepped down after a 15-year run of success at the helm of the Griffin program. Coach Quigley stepped down to pursue other professional opportunities.

Fontbonne University athletic director Maria Eftink commended Quigley on his years of service with Fontbonne and the lasting lessons he has taught his players. 

“As both the Director of Athletics and a former player of Coach Quigley’s, I would like to thank him for his time and commitment to Fontbonne Athletics and the women’s basketball program,” Eftink said. “He has had great success over the years and had a positive affect on many student-athlete’s lives, including my own. The memories that have come from Coach Quigley’s leadership will be with his players forever. He is a great coach and will be missed on the sidelines.”

Quigley ends his tenure as the Griffins head coach as the most successful women’s basketball coach in the history of Fontbonne. Quigley compiled a 254-134 overall record and a 154-40 Saint Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (SLIAC) record.

Throughout his 15 year career at Fontbonne, Quigley’s teams have never had a losing SLIAC record. He led Fontbonne to six SLIAC regular season championships, three SLIAC Tournament Championships and four NCAA Division III National Basketball Tournament appearances.  In 2001, Quigley led Fontbonne to a “Sweet 16” appearance in the tournament. Quigley was named the SLIAC Coach of the Year in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2010. 

Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 24, 2011, 10:57:06 pm
I'll bet you didn't read it on Facebook like a lot of people did. ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 25, 2011, 08:06:13 am
I'll bet you didn't read it on Facebook like a lot of people did. ;D

Nope... I'll concentrate on a site that is dedicated to D3Hoops..... ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on March 27, 2011, 12:37:31 am
ooops... thought coach Will went to Augie, but when I checked his bio, I find it was North Park... My mistake....
Hope, you lost a bunch of cool points thinking and implying that I went to Auggie. I played for "The North PARK UNIVERSITY" I Played for the "Real Vikings" not the fake ones.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 27, 2011, 08:18:40 am
Coach  -  my thought is you were a strong presence around the basket no matter where you played!!! ;D ;) ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on March 29, 2011, 12:58:15 am
Coach  -  my thought is you were a strong presence around the basket no matter where you played!!! ;D ;) ;)
Hope, I played at 6'5 and 240 pounds my junior and senior your. Shot around 63% from the field my junior your. I was an ok player. My daughter is better...you will be hearing about her soon. She is going to be the best player of the family, passing her dear ole dad. As a high school sophomore, she scored 500 points this year.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 29, 2011, 10:15:07 am
Coach  -  that is really cool info, what high school does she attend?  -  would love to check out 'Princess Will' in action next season...  (although I'll bet her Dad is tough on the referees at her games) ;D ;D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on March 29, 2011, 11:47:25 pm
Coach  -  that is really cool info, what high school does she attend?  -  would love to check out 'Princess Will' in action next season...  (although I'll bet her Dad is tough on the referees at her games) ;D ;D
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She plays at Southwestern Piasa, and he dad is very Quiet at the games. I go to enjoy her. Have never had any issues with the refs. I actually don't like sitting by the loud mouth fans, so I sit way away with my head phones on.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 30, 2011, 06:24:41 am
Coach Will says... "I actually don't like sitting by the loud mouth fans"

Wow... do I ever agree with that...  (no critique on any of my Webster fan friends, though)     But I have complained about that behavior more than one time on these pages...

wooo checked out Piasa SW... Great Season...finish at 26-5... somebody is really impressing defense with that team... they gave up 40 or more only 5 times all season, 50 or more only once!!!  and Gabby Williams 16 points and 7 boards per game.... but just like her dad, leads the team in Fouls.... :D....  Aggressive... gotta love it.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 30, 2011, 05:04:04 pm
Very good hire

Fontbonne hires Matt Wickenhauser as new women's basketball coach
03/30/2011 03:22pm

March 30, 2011 - The Fontbonne University athletic department is pleased to announce the hiring of Matt Wickenhauser as its new head women’s basketball coach. Coach Wickenhauser replaces Keith Quigley, who resigned earlier this month after 15 seasons as the head coach.

"I am really excited about this opportunity to be the head coach at Fontbonne and to build on the great tradition that has been established for women's basketball,” Coach Wickenhauser said.

Fontbonne University Director of Athletics Maria Eftink didn’t have to go far to find Coach Wickenhauser as he served as an assistant coach last year at Fontbonne.

“Coach Wickenhauser has such great experience within the SLIAC (St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference) serving as an assistant at Fontbonne last year and Maryville for seven years,” Eftink said. “He was instrumental in the turn around that occurred at Maryville and was a valuable asset to Fontbonne’s coaching staff last year.”

Prior to coming to Fontbonne, Coach Wickenhauser spent seven years as an assistant coach at Maryville University and one year as an assistant coach at University of Missouri-St. Louis.

Coach Wickenhauser was an assistant coach at Maryville from 2001-2008. During that time, the Saints went undefeated in regular season conference play from 2003-2008 seasons with an overall record of 107-19. Maryville set an all-time NCAA DIII record of 76 regular season conference wins in a row.  Coach Wickenhauser was part of a staff that led Maryville to four appearances in the NCAA Div. III National Tournament.

Coach Wickenhauser also spent a season as the head varsity girls basketball coach at Barat Academy High School in 2008-2009.


Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 30, 2011, 08:44:47 pm
ooops... thought coach Will went to Augie, but when I checked his bio, I find it was North Park... My mistake....
Hope, you lost a bunch of cool points thinking and implying that I went to Auggie. I played for "The North PARK UNIVERSITY" I Played for the "Real Vikings" not the fake ones.

Amen and amen! ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 30, 2011, 09:07:31 pm
To hold down the carnage, those of us at other CCIW schools prefer "East Vikings" and "West Vikings", rather than 'real' and 'fake'! ;D

"Lake Vikings" vs. "River Vikings" is also acceptable. :D

Otherwise, I fear a reversion to 9th century Vikings! :o
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 31, 2011, 10:04:45 am
Very good hire

Perhaps, but never know what they would have gotten if they'd opened up the job. I spent some time last week answering questions about Fontbonne from a person with Division III head coaching experience who also went to two Final Fours as a player.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on March 31, 2011, 11:32:19 am
Very good hire

Perhaps, but never know what they would have gotten if they'd opened up the job. I spent some time last week answering questions about Fontbonne from a person with Division III head coaching experience who also went to two Final Fours as a player.

Yes, of course you may be right Pat.... but the fellow they hired is seasoned and knows the area well...  his time with Maryville was likely good time spent learning both coaching and recruiting skills in a winning program.... and believe me, Fontbonne would not be a very attractive job  for anyone outside the St Louis area, as it is very likely a less than full time position.....I've heard tell $$$$ at Fontbonne are tough to come by.....
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 31, 2011, 11:35:41 am
Yeah, it's not FT, I checked. The person I was talking to has STL ties, though.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Denny McKinney on March 31, 2011, 03:53:10 pm
It's a Great hire. Coach Wick has been with program almost 2 years. FU had a good freshmen class. That he helped recruit. The biggest plus is Transition. This was one good decision.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on April 01, 2011, 02:02:29 am
Coach Will says... "I actually don't like sitting by the loud mouth fans"

Wow... do I ever agree with that...  (no critique on any of my Webster fan friends, though)     But I have complained about that behavior more than one time on these pages...

wooo checked out Piasa SW... Great Season...finish at 26-5... somebody is really impressing defense with that team... they gave up 40 or more only 5 times all season, 50 or more only once!!!  and Gabby Williams 16 points and 7 boards per game.... but just like her dad, leads the team in Fouls.... :D....  Aggressive... gotta love it.....
Thanks for the Plug for her Hope: I was disappointed that she did not make all state: scored 500 points and 220 rebs. Lost in Super-sectionals in double overtime. She is working hard with me, as she is playing AAU for me, and she is going to be even better.
And before you ask Hope, she has assured me that she will never play for me at Blackburn...LOL
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: hopefan on April 01, 2011, 10:04:32 am
I know a D3 school in Michigan she might like!!! :D :D :D
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on April 02, 2011, 06:09:14 pm
I know a D3 school in Michigan she might like!!! :D :D :D

Or maybe she can get a scholarship to play at a higher level.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on April 04, 2011, 12:06:06 pm
I know a D3 school in Michigan she might like!!! :D :D :D

Or maybe she can get a scholarship to play at a higher level.

Or she can get an awesome education and experience at that St. Louis school in the AAU ;)
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on April 04, 2011, 12:06:27 pm
Thoughts and prayers go out to the family of Coach McKinney.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Coach Will on April 04, 2011, 06:40:46 pm
I know a D3 school in Michigan she might like!!! :D :D :D
HOPE, I am willing to bet that she will not be playing D-3...just a hunch though...wink, wink! Mr. Ypsi, Carthage hired the North Park coach, as Bosko coached me over at North Park. BTW, I meant no disrespect to anyone from Auggie, as Auggie is a great school. Every school in the CCIW is a great school. I just like giving Auggie crap.
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: y_jack_lok on April 05, 2011, 02:37:04 pm

Or she can get an awesome education and experience at that St. Louis school in the AAU ;)


Did you mean to say UAA?
Title: Re: SLIAC
Post by: Wydown Blvd. on April 05, 2011, 06:32:53 pm

Or she can get an awesome education and experience at that St. Louis school in the AAU ;)


Did you mean to say UAA?

Nope... google AAU (American Association of Universities) -- its an association of 63 leading public and private research universities in the United States and Canada and is very prestigious. Only in the UAA and Big 10 are all member universities also members of the AAU.

http://www.aau.edu/about/default.aspx?id=4020 (http://www.aau.edu/about/default.aspx?id=4020)

My reference to the AAU is just symbolic of another reason why Coach Will's daughter should get the best education possible... at a UAA school ;)
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