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Rare that you will see both teams with such an anemic running attack game. NCC rushed for only 44 yards on 43 attempts. Carthage netted just 39 yards on 35 attempts. 🤮
NCC had 353 yards through the air compared to 145 for Carthage.
NCC’s Brock Rutter had, for him, a bad day. He completed only 65% of his passes (26/40) with just 2TDs. The NCC offensive line was almost continuously missing in action, earning failing grades in both pass and run blocking. Rutter was running for his life all day long, and was hit and sacked five times. Run wise, the Cards blocking was virtually invisible. More often than not, they got in the way of their running backs rather than the Carthage. 44 yards on 43 rushing attempts is all you need to know. They need to up their game, and get back to the level we are more used to seeing them perform at, and which they are certainly capable of playing at.       
Credit to the Carthage defenders.

A win is a win. Tough game on the road in which some viewed it as a possible upset. 6-1 with this young team is pretty darn good but its one week at a time.

Wind today was a major factor in games. NCCs result is strong.

Exactly.  Going into the wind made it impossible to throw the ball down the field.  Both teams took the run away into the wind and dared them to pass.  Tough to block 8-9 with 5-6.  Great win on the road versus a quality Carthage team.  Rutter took control when he had to as the leader that he is.

Yes, a win is a win, and yes the wind made for tough playing conditions.
However, the wind didn’t prevent Broc Rutter from throwing for 353 yards, and I would respectfully submit that wind should have less of an effect on the run game than on the passing game.
1. Even in windy conditions, the O line should be able to block effectively enough to provide more than just 44 yards on 43 carries. A 1 yard per carry average? Come on.
2. They also gave up 5 sacks.

Again, JMHO, but I don’t think this level of performance, wind or not, merits much praise. Furthermore, I sense Coach Thorne would agree. Yes? No? Maybe?

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The game with Millikin is a possible trap game. They need to take care of business and not look ahead to North Central. My brother went to IWU, so he's pretty happy with the season they're having. All week, I thought Wash U might win that game last night, but I was very impressed with IWU.

I don't think the term "trap game" necessarily applies here.  Seems like that term is used for games vs teams in the middle of bottom of the standings.  In this case, Millikin is one game behind the Titans. 

Plus, while not Johnnies/Tommies, IWU/Millikin is a rivalry.  This matchup has produced surprising results in multiple sports over the years.  I don't think IWU would ever play a let-down type game against the Big Blue.

It is another must-win for the Titans...that is for sure.

Yes, but as USee noted, should Stepina not be able to play, the scale tips further in the direction of IWU who comes in as the favorite to begin with and even more so should MU be without it’s primary weapon.

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Does anyone have a health status on Millikin QB Nicco  Stepina? Noticed he didn’t play in today’s 14-13 win over Elmhurst, nor did he play in the 2nd half of last week’s 32-29 win over Carthage.

All I know is that he is out with an injury as opposed to illness. The Carthage announcer (he was injured in last week’s game vs. Carthage), made a very brief reference to the incident during today’s Carthage-NCC game. From what he said it sounded like it might be a leg injury, but quite possibly others could have taken it as involving another part of the body, so there is really no confirmation that the leg is whats involved. 🤔

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Rare that you will see both teams with such an anemic running attack game. NCC rushed for only 44 yards on 43 attempts. Carthage netted just 39 yards on 35 attempts. 🤮
NCC had 353 yards through the air compared to 145 for Carthage.
NCC’s Brock Rutter had, for him, a bad day. He completed only 65% of his passes (26/40) with just 2TDs. The NCC offensive line was almost continuously missing in action, earning failing grades in both pass and run blocking. Rutter was running for his life all day long, and was hit and sacked five times. Run wise, the Cards blocking was virtually invisible. More often than not, they got in the way of their running backs rather than the Carthage. 44 yards on 43 rushing attempts is all you need to know. They need to up their game, and get back to the level we are more used to seeing them perform at, and which they are certainly capable of playing at.       
Credit to the Carthage defenders.

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FINAL

NORTH CENTRAL 26
CARTHAGE          14

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North Region football / Re: FB: CCIW in-game updates
« on: October 20, 2018, 03:12:03 pm »
Halftime

North Central 9
Carthage       7

NCC first points scored when the Carthage center hiked the ball over the QB’s head into the end zone. They then connected on a 50 yard Rutter to Hartema pass with 50 seconds left.
Carthage on a 52 yard wide receiver screen with about 3 minutes left in the half.

The wind has played somewhat of a role, but except for the long TD passes, both teams have truly  looked like poo poo on offense. NCC O line doing a fine imitation of Swiss cheese as Carthage has FOUR first half sacks.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: October 19, 2018, 09:07:34 pm »
My oh my... how time flies... Practice (Official practice) starts tomorrow..... Coaches... email me with some info.. you should want to have these kids get a little publicity[\b]...

SLIAC coaches actually read D3Hoops?  ???
In the CCIW, a coupe of coaches might read the board at least periodically, and a couple more may have a fairly good understanding of whats being said, but only because they hear it from their players. For a majority, the next time they read D3Hoops will be the first.



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I have been to my share of Washington University football games, but I am not a football guy.  Yet, I am set to attend my third game this season.  It is still weird to see my team talked about as a member of the CCIW?

Even weirder to see so many references to the program on the latest D3football.com blog.

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2018/10/19/quick-hits-for-the-birds/

As much as we regular CCIW posters in both football and basketball delight in directing barbs both at each other, and at each other’s teams, one thing I think we would all agree on is that we have quite a few very knowledgeable posters, none of which are afraid to post their analysis and/or opinions. If your team is in the CCIW, its gonna get talked about.
The same would be true for  WashU if it was also a CCIW member for basketball.  8-)

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: October 18, 2018, 03:39:50 pm »
AndOne, maybe these box scores can alleviate your bitterness :
https://static.cciw.org/custompages/CCIW_Links/WBasketball/Stats/1617/17wb0218.htm
or
https://static.cciw.org/custompages/CCIW_Links/WBasketball/Stats/1415/wbb2715.htm
I know iwu70 would be happy to review them. (ha)

Good times. :)

So depends on the talent you have and how you run your half-court offense.  NCC ran the system, but at times didn't really have all that many really good trey shooters.

Looking back on it, I don't know how much of that was the lack of "really good trey shooters" versus just sheer volume and law of averages. The percentages speak for themselves by and large, seeing as solely in conference games since I started announcing, NCC has the second-worst three point percentage, so maybe I'm killing my own argument:

School3P%
Augie28.78%
Carroll27.33%
Carthage36.55%
Elmhurst31.32%
IWU31.93%
Millikin30.73%
NCC28.29%
NPU31.07%
Wheaton33.41%

I think that one of the things that held back NCC's trey percentage was the speed at which the Cardinals played. Innumerable times they chucked up the first open shot available without getting their feet set, and I (and, I think, most observers who know something about the Arseneault System) wrote that off as an artifact of the System's goals-based methodology (x number of trey attempts per game, x number of possessions per game, etc.) rather than as poor technique or inadequate coaching by Michelle Roof and her staff. I didn't necessarily assume that a Cardinals shooter who went 1-8 from beyond the arc wasn't a good shooter. I wrote off her clankitude as an outcome caused by the fact that she was a rushed shooter, and that rushing her shot wasn't entirely her choice.

Is your point that these were the games when the now abandoned "system" was at its pinnacle?

Nope. The system made it a point to avoid taking mid-range shots. Again, my point was solely to emphasize the fact that the mid-range jumper is a dying art in the sport of basketball. Fewer and fewer shots are being attempted from mid-range, and often times those taking them are not terribly proficient at it.

I look at it from a sense of efficiency. The three gets you more points than the two, so it makes sense to incorporate it as a significant portion of your offense, especially from the corner where the distance to the basket is shortest. As for twos, layups are in theory a high percentage shot, so they're extremely efficient as well. The midrange in the sense we discuss it, at least in a vacuum, isn't as "efficient," although if you have someone for whom that's their go-to shot that they can hit at, say, a 40-50 percent clip, the efficiency comes into play there too. Maybe the day will come where we start to cycle back to more of a midrange game, but I don't know that it's coming any time soon.

It won't come back until players start practicing that shot again at the frequency with which they practice treys and layups (and, alas, dunks if you're talking about the men's game). And, right now, there's little to no incentive from coaches to make players practice it.

Thanks, Lucas, for keeping this conversation going. Normally, I'd be loath to talk about a playing style that is now obsolete in terms of CCIW practitioners, but anything is better than having to read yet another iteration of the interminable conversation between iwu70 and Rog regarding Illinois Wesleyan. I'm all for any recognition that this is a nine-team league rather than a one-team league, ever if we're talking about an aspect that no longer exists regarding one of those eight other teams. ;)

With regard to the above, MHO is that both ’70 and Sager make good points.
1. In only one of the “system” years did NCC really have several good 3 point shooters.
2. Often times, if you looked away for more than 2-3 seconds after the Cardinals got the ball over half court, you would miss a 3 point attempt. Usually only one pass and then what amounted to a quick throw at the basket as opposed to a good shot. No receiving the pass in good shooting position. No squaring up to the basket. No stepping into the shot. Too often only what amounted to a wild heave. 🙏🏽 👎

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: October 18, 2018, 03:23:06 pm »
So, do you regret that the offense portion of "the system" has apparently gained traction throughout basketball?
I think that basketball is still adjusting to the 3 pointer[\b], so what we see now is not necessarily how it will be in coming years.

Perhaps womens basketball is still adjusting to the 3 pointer, particularly at the D3 level. On the women’s side, I’ve really only had more than a smidgen of experience with just one team so my perspective isn’t the best. However, I sense the adjustment is well underway.
On the guys side, I think the adjustment is pretty well complete. The 3 pointer has revolutionized the men’s game. Multitudes of players have fallen in love with the 3 point shot. Even at the D3 level, you often see teams with three guys with proficiency from downtown. The best teams often have an upper echelon 3 point shooter and a couple more that are way above average. Heck, even the better high school teams usually have a very good distance shooter and another pretty good one. Ever see kids practicing 10 foot shots? Ha, they’re throwing them up from closer to half court than to the free throw line! Going back to our mid-range discussion, this is the major factor in the demise of the mid-range shot.

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: October 17, 2018, 09:59:57 pm »
Selective history, RogK, selective history.  LOL

Is your point that these were the games when the now abandoned "system" was at its pinnacle?

Looking forward to this year's TITAN squad, the Mia Smith system.

Should be a fun season.  Guess WC has to be the favorite?  Pre-season CCIW poll out soon, no doubt.

IWU'70

Nope. The system made it a point to avoid taking mid-range shots. Again, my point was solely to emphasize the fact that the mid-range jumper is a dying art in the sport of basketball. Fewer and fewer shots are being attempted from mid-range, and often times those taking them are not terribly proficient at it.

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: D3hoops.com Classic in Vegas
« on: October 17, 2018, 06:08:20 pm »
Attendance at this tourney has been on my basket list for several years. Leave the wife at home, cheap flight to Vegas, lots of D3hoops, some blackjack, perhaps some late night entertainment at a fine “club”.   What could be better. Now I just have to talk yjack, wipiff, TQ, Greg, FCGriz, and a couple of other midwestern regulars into coming along.  ;)

And I want to know what distinguishes a club as being “fine.” 🤔 😎 😏

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: October 16, 2018, 08:57:15 pm »
Rog,

What is it you perceive I’m bitter about?
The whole point of both my initial and subsequent posts was to point out that the mid-range shot has basically become a lost art in the sport of basketball. That’s all. Period.
What I’ve said here recently was not meant as either praise or criticism of any specific player or team, and bitterness is not an emotion that played any role in either what I’ve meant to convey or how I have gone about doing so.  ;)

A large percentage of teams, both male and female, have taken significantly more shots from distance in recent years. Because layups and very short shots are still a big part of most teams arsenals nowadays, three point attempts have largely replaced the mid-range attempts. With the drop in shots from mid-range, there has been a rather natural correlation with a drop in success rate from that distance. If you’re not practicing taking 8-13 foot shots, it logically follows that you’re not likely to be very proficient in something you don’t practice. So, if have a good mid-range game, you have something defenses usually aren’t going to be very well prepared to defend.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
« on: October 16, 2018, 04:18:38 pm »
I brought up the subject this week with someone who works in one of the NACC athletics departments, and he's pretty sure that Benedictine will remain in the NACC.

A seemingly good place for them to be as their only tough conference opponent has been Aurora which, together with BU, has largely dominated the conference in recent times.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: October 16, 2018, 04:08:19 pm »
Wheaton's Roster up now:
https://athletics.wheaton.edu/roster.aspx?path=mbball

Bringing in a big freshman class (shortest member 5'11, the rest above 6'5). I'll be interested to see if any of these guys are able to crack through the deep core of returners that this Wheaton team has. I feel that the team will need at least one to not play like a freshman this year in order to significantly compete, but time will tell.

One problem Wheaton had last season was that all of their freshmen played like freshmen. Another was an over reliance on Francis—no better a player to rely on if you’re going to primarily rely on one asset. However, with basketball being a team game, you need a significant contribution from at least one other team member. I wouldn’t be surprised if Kobe Eichelberger emerges as Wheaton’s #2 this season. I’ve always thought of him as an underrated player who usually gets the job done in most aspects of the game.
Will we see Coach Schauer frequently sending Spencer Peterson into games with instructions to shoot a three every time he touches the ball? I think Wheaton will do a good job rebounding the ball. But perhaps the biggest factor in determining whether Wheaton will be the good team they should be and the very good team they could be is whether or not they will be able to upgrade their level of defensive intensity, and turn opponent’s open looks into more contested shot attempts.

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