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North Region football / Re: North Region Fan Poll
« on: Yesterday at 12:55:37 pm »
I would say it's a case of penalizing for a loss, but that was last week. I openly admit that I forgot about IWU in my ballot. Neglected to rank them at all on accident.

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North Region football / Re: North Region Fan Poll
« on: Yesterday at 12:27:33 pm »
Now, I get the chance to see all the ballots. One of you said you were going in to hiding, which I might recommend. But, there were several of the ballots that I just didn't get. I'm typically with the majority most of the way down the ballot. But, a couple of those outliers (Witt voted as an 8, NC voted as a 3, Bash as a 5, Franklin just being out altogether, just to name a few) that puzzled me.

I was:
Mount
Bash
JCU
Witt
NC
Wheaton
Franklin
Adrian
RHIT
Chicago

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North Region football / Re: North Region Fan Poll
« on: Yesterday at 12:24:41 pm »
Week 5 North Region Fan Poll:

1. Mount Union        80 pts (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2. Wabash               68 pts (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 5)
3. John Carroll         66 pts (2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4. Wittenberg          51 pts (4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 8)
5. North Central      49 pts  (3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
6. Wheaton             44 pts (4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6)
7. Franklin              19 pts (7, 7, 7, 9, 9, 9, 10, -)
8. Illinois Wesleyan 16 pts (6, 7, 7, 8, -, -, -, -)
T9. Heidelberg        14 pts (7, 7, 8, 9, 10, -, -, -, -)
T9. Adrian              14 pts (7, 8, 8, 9, 9, -, -, -)

ARV
Mount St Joseph     8 pts (8, 8, 10, 10, -, -, -, -)
Rose-Hulman          4 pts (9, 9, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Chicago                  3 pts (10, 10, 10, -, -, -, -, -)
Albion                    3 pts (8, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Ohio Northern         1 pt (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

The Flan Poll is voted on by FCGrizzliesGrad, smedindy, wally_wabash, NCF, Usee, Li'l Giant, Mr. Ypsi, and myself.

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North Region football / Re: North Region Fan Poll
« on: September 26, 2014, 03:37:23 am »
It's not too much of a stretch to think Franklin would win over IWU in a rematch.

I would counter this argument by saying it's less of a stretch that IWU would win a second time because they've already proven that they can.

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North Region football / Re: North Region Fan Poll
« on: September 25, 2014, 02:27:11 am »
Week 4 NRFP.

1.   Mount Union         80 pts (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2.   North Central        71 pts (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
T3. John Carroll          60 pts (2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)
T3. Wabash                60 pts (3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5)
5.   Wittenberg           47 pts (4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
6.   Wheaton              42 pts (5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6)
7.   Adrian                  19 pts (7, 7, 7, 8, 9, 10, 10, -)
8.   Heidelberg            17 pts (7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, -, -)
9.   Ohio Northern       15 pts (8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 10, -, -)
10. Franklin                14 pts (7, 7, 9, 9, 10, 10, -, -)

ARV
Illinois Wesleyan         11 pts (7, 8, 9, 10, 10, -, -, -)
Mount St Joseph           2 pts (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Rose-Hulman                1 pt  (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

The North Region Fan Poll is voted on by Mr. Ypsi, smedindy, wally_wabash, USee, FCGrizzliesGead, NCF, Li'l Giant, and myself.

EDIT: I wish you all would have been awake at 2:27 when I posted this because it originally said "North Region Flan Poll." That's something entirely different.

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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: September 25, 2014, 01:30:57 am »
Wabash and Denison was hard played game.  The Wabash D sacked the quarterback 5 times and got a number of hits on the QB as well.  Unfortunately, some Denison players took umbrage at this and took some shots at the knees of the Wabash defensive players.  There is no need for that kind of play.

Legal cut blocks or no?

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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: September 20, 2014, 01:43:54 pm »
Eastern Michigan has one (1) yard at halftime. 49-0 Sparty. Going to go poorly when you're on the wrong end of a 320-1 yardage differential.

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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: September 20, 2014, 01:12:47 pm »
Not a very encouraging first drive for the Wabash D. They do hold them to 3, though. Denison wanted to go for it on 4th and about 3 from the 10 or so, but they had an illegal substitution and kicked it instead.

And then a pretty ugly looking 3 and out by the Wabash O.

Wabash gets a stop and gets down close for 3. Tied at 3. 2:00 1st.

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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: September 20, 2014, 12:55:17 pm »
If you are inclined, Chris Creighton's EMU squad is playing Michigan State on the B1G Network.

As of this writing, it's already 21-0 Spartans with 7 minutes to go in the first quarter...

Hope they got a big, big payday from this. Yikes. 35-0 with 12:00 in the 2nd.

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North Region football / Re: North Region Fan Poll
« on: September 19, 2014, 01:49:53 am »
I was the hold up. Sorry gang. Had them since Tuesday. Just not enough hours in the day. Here's the Week 3 NRFP.

1.  Mount Union         80 pts (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2.  North Central        71 pts (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
3.  Wabash                62 pts (2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5)
4.  John Carroll          56 pts (3, 3, 4, 4, 4 ,4, 5, 5)
5.  Wittenberg           47 pts (4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6)
6.  Heidelberg           36 pts (4, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8)
7.  Wheaton              35 pts (5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8)
8.  Illinois Wesleyan   29 pts (6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8)
9.  Adrian                  12 pts (9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10, 10, -)
10. Franklin                8 pts (9, 9, 9, 10, 10, -, -, -)

ARV
Ohio Northern              2 pts (10, 10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Mount St Joseph           1 pt  (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Rose-Hulman                1 pt  (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)


The North Region Fan Poll is voted on by FCGrizzliesGrad, USee, wally_wabash, Mr. Ypsi, smedindy, NCF, Li'l Giant, and myself.

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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: September 10, 2014, 07:41:18 pm »
If I'm playing a team that I know can't move it on me, I'll kick it on 3rd down because I don't want a return. I want to kick it as far as I can and let that thing roll down the turf all day. I know I'll get a 3 and out from my defense and they'll have to kick it back to me. If they return it, that may put them in a position to get 3 or 7. But, Wabash was having success. So I don't get it.

I don't think taking away a return does any more for you than trying to run a play to get out of the shadow of your goal post. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

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North Region football / Re: North Region Fan Poll
« on: September 10, 2014, 07:32:53 pm »
NRFP Week 2

1. Mount Union         80 pts  (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2. North Central        69 pts  (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3)
3. Wabash                63 pts  (2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5)
4. John Carroll          55 pts  (2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6)
5. Wittenberg           45 pts  (4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8)
6. Wheaton              40 pts  (5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7)
T7. Heidelberg          30 pts  (4, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9)
T7. Illinois Wesleyan 30 pts  (5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8)
9. Mount St Joseph    11 pts (7, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, -, -)
10. Franklin               9 pts  (7, 9, 10, 10, 10, -, -, -)


ARV
Adrian                       3 pts  (9, 10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Ohio Northern            2 pts (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Olivet                        2 pts (9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Albion                       1 pt   (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

The North Region Fan Poll is voted on by FCGrizzliesGrad, Li'l Giant, Usee, NCF, Mr. Ypsi, smedindy, wally_wabash, and myself.

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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: September 10, 2014, 10:08:35 am »
We need somebody to create a Pat Signal™ image.


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North Region football / Re: North Region Fan Poll
« on: September 10, 2014, 10:05:08 am »
Waiting on one more.

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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: September 06, 2014, 07:45:03 pm »
Wes, isn't 5 man pressure more about whipping people across from you than scheme? Not many schemes work when the other guy beats you

Yes and no. If you're just going to play me straight up as a defense, meaning that you bring dudes in the gaps they line up in, then yes. It's about who's got the bigger stones. But, the more games you use as a defensive front, the less it becomes about that and the more it becomes about exposing schematic weaknesses. Wabash also gets very creative with their games. Lots of slants, angles, and twists with LB blitzes. That's the thing about odd. It's a 3 man front, so your LB blitzes can come from anywhere. It sounds simple to say "well, just block your gap inside out" but that can get tough when you have NO clue where that comes from. Some teams run a very vanilla odd front, which seems like a total waste. Wabash is so good at bringing guys from 2 or even 3 gaps away. Typically you put your least athletic offensive linemen at guard. You want your best athletes at tackle. They have to set the width of the pocket and defend those edge rushers who are basically RB fast anymore. The guards are uncovered vs an odd front, meaning that as a defense, you have the opportunity to make those guys try to make plays in space.

A lot of teams try to pass pro odd with a BOB (big on big) scheme, meaning the tackles lock on to the ends and the center locks on to the nose. Doesn't matter where they go, those guys are man to man with those defenders. Then they leave the guards to pick up any blitzes, typically working inside out. Take any inside blitzer in your area, if one doesn't come, then work out for an edge blitzer. But, then you get in situations like this:


This is a 5 man pressure I've seen from Wabash against these type teams. Center has to work to his left to take the nose. That inside backer to the offense's right hits the B gap hard trying to get the RG to go with him, leaving the A gap wide open for the backside backer. Wabash will figure out how you pass pro, and they will exploit you. It also messes with zone blocking schemes. You've got guys twisting 2 gaps to the zone or away from the zone, which can really confuse a 19 year old kid. Wabash has dudes in that front 7. No doubt about it. But they put those dudes in great situations to succeed schematically. That's the difference.

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