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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Conference changes
« on: August 11, 2018, 09:25:48 am »
Is this the appropriate place to mention the Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Confernce has changed its name to the American Rivers Conference? Apparently Nebraska Wesleyan has earned the right to not be disenfranchised by its own conference’s name when it won the men’s basketball national championship. Trine and St. Mary’s (IN) should take note.

West Region football / Re: FB: Midwest Conference
« on: July 18, 2018, 08:35:09 pm »
Hard to make a counter argument to the poll, though. Monmouth and Lake Forest in the South, SNC and Chicago in the North and after that...Let's face it, focusing on academics makes recruiting just a little tougher.

Wellll I don't know that there's greater academic focus in the MWC than, say, most CCIW institutions, which seem to do just fine in the game. But in any case, Monmouth has a real opportunity to bolster MWC's poll credentials with a win in one of their two NC games, either No. 13 Wartburg or No. 18 Wheaton. SNC getting a win over a WIAC foe (Eau Claire) would boost MWC's profile as well, even if UWEC is a likely WIAC cellar dweller. Lake Forest gets a shot at North Central (No. 7) too.

As far as academic focus, the CCIW schools do more than hold their own against the MWC.
There are, undoubtedly, many measures of such “focus.”
For one, here are the overall scores for the members of each conference as rated and published by the latest edition of the US News & World Report College Rankings.


Grinnell     86
Lawrence   67
Knox         62
Beloit        61
Cornell      58
Lk Forest   55
Ripon        51
IL College  46
Monmouth 44


Millikin        80
No. Central  74
Elmhurst     72
Wheaton     65
IWU            62
Carroll        59
Augie          55
No. Park.     49
Carthage     41

The MWC schools average 57.7, but the CCIW schools average 61.8
Draw your own conclusions.

Was I gone camping when St. Norbert left the MWC?

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Pool C
« on: February 28, 2018, 05:34:31 pm »
My plan for the NESCAC would be to play 15 league games. You play everybody one time per year, and then 5 more against a rotating group of teams. The Big10 does something like this, the MAAC as well. I’m sick of hearing all the complaining about the current schedule. The best teams in the league will still get in to the NCAAs.

You’d have to go down to 14 conference games or up to 16 conference games. You need an even number of results (a win and a loss for each game). 15 games x 11 teams gives you 165 results.

(Or you could do what Midwest Conference did for a few years and have a game between St. Norbert and Lawrence count as a conference game for St. Norbert but as a non-conference game for Lawrence to ensure all 11 teams played 9 conference games.)

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: 2018 NCAA Tournament
« on: February 25, 2018, 08:40:33 pm »
Assuming they're assigned to a close by regional, they might be able to travel after sunset on Saturday for a late semi-final tilt. 9:00 pm, perhaps?.  Championship would need to be scheduled for Sunday.

Couldn’t Yeshiva travel Friday during the day (maybe even get a practice in) and then play the late Semifinal game on Saturday (8pm tip-off would be well after sunset) with the second round game Sunday?

General Division III issues / Re: Future of Division III
« on: February 11, 2018, 09:55:38 am »
Mississippi University for Women is resuming intercollegiate athletics with 5 men's and 5 women's sports (but no Winter Sports for either men or women).  They were D-2 (women only) when they discontinued intercollegiate athletics 15 years ago.  The Mission/Vision Statement say that they are D-3.

The baseball schedule is a mixture of D-3, NAIA and others.

Is it a requirement from the NCAA you have at least one sport in each season? I seem to remember it is but I can’t find where I saw it.

North Region football / Re: NACC football
« on: September 01, 2017, 08:02:09 pm »
I'm going to be at Lakeland tomorrow night for the opener -- first trip there and looking forward to it!

I'll be coming from the Ripon-Concordia Chicago game, so I probably won't be super early.

Do not, under any circumstances, go over the speed limit through Rosendale. They will pull you over. Seriously, that town is known for being a speed trap.

General Division III issues / Re: Future of Division III
« on: August 29, 2017, 08:51:52 am »
As I said, Cubs fans for the most part are very clear on the identity of their team's archrival -- it's the St. Louis Cardinals. On the other hand, for all of the decades that the White Sox have shared their division with the Cleveland Indians, Detroit Tigers, Minnesota Twins, and Kansas City Royals, one can't help but get the suspicion that for the White Sox fanbase none of those teams even comes close to capturing their ire the way that the Cubs do.

This is because the White Sox don't have nearly as long and of history of battling them for the top of the standings table. The Tigers, Indians, and White Sox have been in the American League since Teddy Roosevelt was in office but from 1969-1993 the Sox were in the West and the Tigers and Indians were in the East. The Twins and Royals have always been in the same division as the White Sox when divisions existed but the Twins didn't begin play until 1961 and the Royals started in 1969. The Cubs and Cardinals have been in the same standings table since the 1800s

Does the fact that IIT is still a provisional D3 member (2018 will be their final year of transition) change the answer to that question?

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Conference changes
« on: February 21, 2017, 06:31:58 pm »

It looks like the results of the NCAA D3 membership committee are finalized:

We'll be welcoming three new exploratory members: SUNY-Dehli (as Delhi State), J&W of Colorado, and Mississippi College for Women.
Another school in the Mountain Time Zone? Maybe one day there will be a peninsula instead of islands :)

It would be more of an isthmus between the West Coast and the rest of the country. Unfortunately Nevada has no possibilities unless UNLV or University of Nevada drop from FBS.

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: November 01, 2016, 05:00:23 pm »
Luckily, the CCIW is only playing 16 conference games.  ???  ;D  ;)

Good thing I'm sticking to football. Fewer games and I can count them on my fingers.

Technically 18 conference dates are needed. With nine teams and a double round robin each team will have 16 games and two byes.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Conference changes
« on: September 05, 2016, 11:04:50 am »

Thanks Greek   +1... Very interesting reasoning behind the schedule, but not a league member....
A veritable travel partner for UW-Superior.

Finlandia is going to be partnered with Northland College in Ashland, WI. UW-Superior will be partnered with Northland's old travel partner St. Scholastica.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Conference Tournaments 2015-16
« on: February 20, 2016, 05:42:39 pm »
NACC field has been set. (Benedictine has locked up the #1 seed heading into their game tonight and Lakeland is eliminated via tiebreakers).

Top 2 Seeds have Byes to the Semifinals

#1 Benedictine (24-0, 19-0)
#2 Aurora (20-5, 16-4)


#6 MSOE (13-12, 10-10) at #3 Concordia Wisconsin (16-9, 14-6)
#5 Marian (13-12, 10-10) at #4 Wisconsin Lutheran (13-12, 11-9)

Lowest seed goes to Benedictine and the higher seed goes to Aurora.

The NACC website is showing they don't reseed the semifinals.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Pool C
« on: February 11, 2016, 01:53:33 pm »
It is baffling to me that a team in the East like Lancaster Bible doesn't get in over a team that has 6-7 losses. I mean if a team that is undefeated cant get into the rankings that tells me the NCAA has to go back to the drawing board and find different criteria. Another example Penn St Behrend a team who was 19-1 going into the rankings in the Great Lakes cant get into the top 9 in there region!! I just think its a bit ridiculous that NCAA is rewarding teams that have a bunch of losses over teams that win the games on there schedule.

I get the SOS factor but reward teams that win there games. Its not like these teams can just go join the NESCAC or UAA OR SUNYAC.

Lancaster and Behrend also ranked top 15 and top 25 in the D3hoops poll.

rant over.

would love to here what people think

SOS has to be a factor.  In the case of Lancaster, their SOS is so weak that it does overcome their record.  I think it's widely believed that the teams ranked above them would probably have the same record if they played Lancaster's schedule.  Hey, if they win their league, they'll get their shot to prove everyone wrong...

From what I was told... it absolutely has to do with the SOS. It is. 421 and I have been told by several committee sources that they can't justify it especially when using the .03 SOS = 2 games system.

Now, there are some factors that will come into play later like vRRO that will change the equation. Remember, LBC's game against F&M isn't really being evaluated right now. It might be when it comes to common opponents, but that's it. When it comes to East Region discussions, not a lot - if any - of the East has played F&M. So, that game will pop up and maybe give LBC a boost.

All of that is also the same with Behrend.

No, dcahill, I would caution you comparing to the Top 25. It isn't a criteria. We enter dangerous waters when we say, "but they are ranked xx, why aren't they being considered." The coaches and administrators on these committees are fully aware of the Top 25 and who are the best teams, but they have to ignore that stuff when it comes to the NCAA criteria. Plain and simple.

I have said it publicly and some committee members know I am concerned about LBC being left out of the tournament. If, worse case scenario, they lose their first game in the conference final, it seems clear they may be left out of the NCAA Tournament. If that were to happen, I think we set a precedent that SOS is indeed more important that WL% even if they try and argue it away by using the .03=2 element. The problem is that 1 loss is 1 loss. Last year we saw the women's committee, who understands and uses the same ratio but doesn't rely on it clearly as much as the men, put McDaniel in the tournament when they picked up their second loss of the season in the conference title game. Their reasoning: at some point the fact is they only lost two games out of 26 or 27. That has to mean something.

I don't think this plays for Behrend, though. We have already seen three and four loss teams left out of the tournament. But this committee, in recent years, has never allowed a team with a below .500 SOS into the tournament. I am not saying that happens this year because I think a number of at-large teams will be sitting there with below .500 SOS numbers. But if they stick to that plan, then we are saying the SOS is more important than WL% and I think that is getting a little dangerous.

The irony is WL% does play a role when a team with a very strong SOS is left home because they lost too many games (North Central might get put in this situation if they are an at-large team). I don't know what the right answer is, but I do know that the optics of leaving a 1-loss team at home with a bad SOS (basically because of their conference) is a precedent I don't like.

Is this right? I feel that isn't enough SOS shift for two games, that means a 25-0 Lancaster Bible with a .421 would be considered roughly equal to a 0-25 team with a .500 SOS. Is it maybe supposed to be .3 SOS=2 games?

Math edit: it's actually worse than that because under your numbers the difference between .421 SOS and .500 SOS is a 52 game swing.

I retract this whole thing, I messed up a decimal point. This is why I was into writing and not math.

General football / Re: D3 vs. NAIA
« on: September 30, 2015, 01:18:57 pm »
The NAIA had two divisions for football until about the mid 90s when they went down to one because they didn't have enough teams to justify two divisions anymore.

Central Region / Re: MBB: Midwest Conference
« on: September 01, 2015, 09:11:57 pm »
If they schedule like they used to, there would be midweek games against teams that are close to one another such as LFC vs BC or GC vs CC

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