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*Sammie Woodward is equally deserving of first team but I'm not sure coaches go for the 7th place team getting two first teamers.  So Shanks instead.

I considered that as well, but Woodward's numbers and impact really do merit inclusion on the first team, in spite of her team's poor season. It's hard to keep a player who averaged 16 ppg and led the league in FT percentage off of the first team. But I can see it going either way.

It's at least one of them on the first team if not both.  I'm thinking that if Kalis is not unanimous, then I would attribute that to Woodward getting some votes for the one Carthage spot on the first team - basically splitting the Lady Red vote.

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Here's my take - pretty close to Greg's

First
Autumn Kalis, Carthage*
Jayla Johnson, North Park*
Hannah Frazier, Wheaton*
Kendall Sosa, Illinois Wesleyan*
Alexis Jones, Augustana*
Sydney Shanks, Illinois Wesleyan
Jordan Hildebrand, Millikin
Hannah Williams, Wheaton

Second:
Riley Brovelli, Illinois Wesleyan
Sammie Woodward, Carthage
Kirsten Madsen, Wheaton
Abby Ratsch, Millikin
Kween Jean, Elmhurst
Allison Pearson, North Central
Lauren Hall, Augustana
Alyssa Cruz, Carroll

*Unanimous

CCIW Newcomer of the Year:  Abby Ratsch, Millikin
Lori Kerans Most Outstanding Player:  Hannah Frazier, Wheaton
Beth Baker Coach of the Year:  Kent Madsen, Wheaton
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*Sammie Woodward is equally deserving of first team but I'm not sure coaches go for the 7th place team getting two first teamers.  So Shanks instead.


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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 23, 2020, 06:35:32 pm »
I concur that Lett would be very deserving as would Amanda Crockett.  I would like to see either of them recognized.
However, I suspect Madsen will win it since it just seems the title winning coach usually does.  Plus he is also deserving.

Please don't misunderstand, I was not trying to imply in my previous post that Madsen doesn't deserve it. All things being equal, I think he'd be the right choice. But my point is that all things aren't equal; Millikin finished four spots -- half of the league's standings, in other words -- higher than it had been predicted to finish. I think that that's exactly what a COY award was created to honor.

Now, the head coaches in certain CCIW sports -- I'm looking at you, head coaches of men's basketball -- believe that the only sensible recipient of this award every year is the coach of the championship team, so the COY award just gets automatically shipped off to Rock Island or Naperville or wherever the championship team resides as a sort of addendum to the main part of the package, which is the CCIW championship trophy. I think that that's wrong. I think that the COY award shouldn't be so lockstep, because there may be other coaches who deserve it more. If you take an A+ team and win the title with it, that's all well and good; there's something to be said for recruiting and building that A+ team in the first place, and, if you're defending a previous season's title and/or a preseason #1 pick, there is also the pressure of living up to expectations, a very real pressure that has to be overcome internally. So I'm not philosophically opposed to someone in Kent Madsen's situation receiving the award. There would be a lot of seasons in which I'd support someone in his shoes as the right choice for COY. But if you took a D team -- and that's what I'd call a team picked for eighth, a team that is supposed to end up with a D grade, if not a D- grade -- and you lead them to a B or B- season, then you've arguably outstripped the accomplishment of that other coach, because merit is relative to progress as well as to achievement.

I mean no offense to Kent Madsen. I just think that Olivia Lett deserves it more this year, that's all.

No misunderstanding here.  I agree with all you said. I would vote for Lett for being able to take a cadre of freshman and developing them quickly enough to be major contributors.  It's tough to do this with a single freshman much less 3 in Coffman, Ratsch and Fox.

My point was the same you described on the men's side - the title coach often receives the COY and so Madsen will probably get it.  But I also didn't want to imply that I thought he'd just be a ceremonial selection because that's "how it's always given" which is why I said he'd be deserving too.


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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 23, 2020, 04:27:10 pm »
NCC 78  Wheaton 71

Wheaton scored the first 8 pts of the contest and then the Cardinals proceeded to go on a 29-6 run to take control.  The Thunder did an admirable job slowly grinding their way back to trail by only 7 at halftime and got within 2 pts with 16 mins left.  From there it was pretty tight until NCC began to pull away with about 9 mins left in the game and pretty much led by 5-8 pts the rest of the way.  Cade Alioth had a big game with 15 pts, 16 rebs.  Luke Anthony also had 15 pts while Nyameye Adom and Tyson Cruickshank had 14 each.  The Thunder also got a huge contribution off the bench from freshman Andrew Williams with 13 pts, 4 rebs, solid defense and multiple hustle plays.  He is a better option than Collin Uveges at this point since Uveges is not a threat to score and both play equally good defense.

For NCC, Cappelletti with 18 pts, 9 rebs.  Blaise Meredith also with 18 pts including a trey with 7 minutes left that was clearly a shot clock violation that the entire crowd got but the refs just flat missed.  Schauer ended up getting a technical foul protesting it.  North Central is the better team but Wheaton had their chances too.

Are you sure that T wasnít on Panner?  He moved back to the bench like a scolded puppy after the call and was the one doing the most vociferous complaining at that point.

It might have been.  Not sure.  Schauer was complaining to a ref on the baseline but the official near the free throw line whistled the T and I thought I saw him point at Schauer.

It's too bad because it was clearly a shot clock violation and everybody in the gym, Meredith and the NCC bench included, knew it except the 3 most important observers.  It came at a critical time when Wheaton needed a stop which they got -but didn't.  After the Williams three and technical they were down 9 instead of 5 with 6:30 left.


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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 23, 2020, 03:12:16 pm »
Congratulations to the Wheaton Thunder Ladies on their conference championship.

There was a low point in the season, highlighted by a home loss to Carroll, where lackluster play had them at 10-5, 3-3.  Maybe it was the burden of lofty pre-season expectations but everything was going south and the team searching for something. 

Iíve sometimes been critical of Kent Madsen in the past.  But I give him a ton of credit for shaking up his starting lineup by sitting two seniors, Kristi Demski- a second yr starter and Jordan Myroth, a 3 yr starter and All Conference first teamer.  Instead he started Hannah Swider and Jacqueline San Jule, a solid player but with few significant minutes up to this point in her career.  That coaching move got his playerís attention and their play was noticeably better on both ends of the court while winning their last 9 out of 10 games.  Demski and Myroth still played lots of minutes coming off the bench and accepted their role as leaders do.  And I thought that both players stepped up their play in these last 10 games albeit with less PT.

Weíll see the 3rd RR this week.  But with a 19-6 record, Wheaton might be the only Pool C candidate from the conference and a 7th loss would make that shaky at best.  They must play for the title and AQ this week. 


The obvious choice for COY, to me, is Olivia Lett. Of the three teams that finished higher than they had been predicted to finish, NPU finished one spot above the prediction (third instead of fourth) and Carroll finished one spot above the prediction (eighth instead of ninth). But Millikin, which had been predicted to finish eighth, finished fourth instead. That's a huge leap above everyone's expectations, and it's definitely big enough to give Lett the COY award.

I concur that Lett would be very deserving as would Amanda Crockett.  I would like to see either of them recognized.
However, I suspect Madsen will win it since it just seems the title winning coach usually does.  Plus he is also deserving.   


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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 22, 2020, 11:36:04 pm »
NCC 78  Wheaton 71

Wheaton scored the first 8 pts of the contest and then the Cardinals proceeded to go on a 29-6 run to take control.  The Thunder did an admirable job slowly grinding their way back to trail by only 7 at halftime and got within 2 pts with 16 mins left.  From there it was pretty tight until NCC began to pull away with about 9 mins left in the game and pretty much led by 5-8 pts the rest of the way.  Cade Alioth had a big game with 15 pts, 16 rebs.  Luke Anthony also had 15 pts while Nyameye Adom and Tyson Cruickshank had 14 each.  The Thunder also got a huge contribution off the bench from freshman Andrew Williams with 13 pts, 4 rebs, solid defense and multiple hustle plays.  He is a better option than Collin Uveges at this point since Uveges is not a threat to score and both play equally good defense.

For NCC, Cappelletti with 18 pts, 9 rebs.  Blaise Meredith also with 18 pts including a trey with 7 minutes left that was clearly a shot clock violation that the entire crowd got but the refs just flat missed.  Schauer ended up getting a technical foul protesting it.  North Central is the better team but Wheaton had their chances too.

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 22, 2020, 10:59:58 pm »

With the team's record, I doubt Autumn Kalis is in the MOP conversation, but she definitely deserves first-team all conference. 


Autumn Kalis will be unanimous first team All-Conference as will Kendall Sosa, Hannah Frazier, Alexis Jones and Jayla Johnson.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 22, 2020, 04:51:13 pm »
Massey picks for today:


  • NCC 67, @ Wheaton 63 (NCC 62%, WHE 38%)


The OT loss to NCC in Naperville last month was one that Wheaton could have and should have won if not for some untimely missed free throws and an extraordinary Connor Raridon performance that he hasn't matched since( and probably hasn't had to).  It definitely stung and set the team back a bit over the next couple weeks.  Wheaton could use a big significant win to finish off the season into next week.   NCC is playing better since then so hoping for a good one at King tonight (Aiden Chang's return).

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 20, 2020, 10:35:40 pm »
I'm just wondering if the Millikin AD or SID are aware that the online webcast time and score are annoyingly constantly out of sync with the videocast time and score?  They're both shown side by side- One show 50-52 while the other shows 52-54?  I've noticed it other games too. 

Are we talking about the live stats? Indeed, those are often going to be ahead of the video because there is an inherent lag in streaming video. It's a much larger file being pushed to you, while the live stats are run by a very small amount of data being pushed.

If this is Stretch for video and live stream (I can't remember off the top of my head), I always stop the video right away. I have also told Stretch in the past to stop the auto-play on the live stats link because ... well, I clicked live stats for a reason. They did it ... for a time. Seems they went back to the old ways at some point.

If this is SideArm, then there isn't much way to avoid this unless you bring the video full. As Pat mentioned, the data package for live stats is tiny compared to the data package for video. At best, a live stream will be about 30 seconds delayed. Live stats can be nearly instant in it's updates.

It's actually similar to some broadcasts thru stretch internet when the live stats is also being updated next to the streaming window which is ahead of the score/time on the broadcast itself.  On the Millikin site, the two different score and time displays are literally one on top of the other where you can't miss it.  So a little annoying and something i would think a production team would eliminate if they knew about it.

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 20, 2020, 10:25:46 pm »
With North Central and Carthage both losing tonight, I think Augustana has clinched a spot as either the 5th or 6th seed depending on Sat results.

On Saturday, an NCC win @ Wheaton will clinch their spot as either 5 or 6 seed.  A Carthage win vs Ill Wesleyan and a NCC loss @ Wheaton means both will finish 7-9 having gone 0-2 vs WC and 1-1 vs NPU.  So Carthage will get the tie-breaker by virtue of their 1-1 record vs IWU or Millikin(depending who finishes 3rd/4th) and NCCís 0-2 record vs both.

No, Augie and NCC are tied at 7-8, and the Cardinals have the tiebreaker due to a head-to-head sweep. In a three-way tie at 7-9, NCC and Carthage would get in due to head-to-head (NCC 3-1, Carthage 2-2, Augie 1-3), though I don't know if they'd rebreak the tie between NCC and Carthage for seeding (which I'm pretty sure as mentioned above would go to the Lady Reds). Based on this if I read it right, NCC gets the 5 seed with a win at Wheaton (something that's long overdue), and can make the tournament as the 6 seed if either Augie or Carthage lose. If both lose, NCC still gets the 5 seed.

Yes, right!  With all the combos, I overlooked the obvious first criteria, h2h.  Thanks Im!

Incidentally . . . https://static.cciw.org/custompages/CCIW_Links/WBasketball/Tiebreakers/WBB.Tiebreakers.pdf

9 different scenarios to cover

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 19, 2020, 10:57:42 pm »
Millikin 82
North Park 68

Jayla Johnson: 21 pts, 8 rebs
Zakiya Newsome: 16 pts
Lauryn Alba Garner: 3:0 a:to

Aubrey Staton: 14 pts
Abbie Ratsch: 11 pts
Briana Anthony: 11 pts, 4:2 a:to
Jordan Hildebrand: 11 pts, 3stls
Bailey Coffman: 11 pts
Kelle Knopp: 10 pts

The Vikings had an 18-6 lead at the end of the first quarter and a nine-point lead at the half -- and then just collapsed.

Glad I was calling the men's game, 'cause that second half in Decatur tonight would've been just too painful for me to watch.

Still a whole lot of play for, so the Vikings ladies can't afford to lose heart, but the dream of NPU winning its first CCIW title in 32 years probably died tonight.

This was quite the game.  I can't help thinking that these two teams will be battling with IWU next two years for the title. 

Jayla Johnson is really a skilled scorer in the paint.  And when paired with Newsome driving and dishing and other Lady Vikes, they are a tough team to stop.

Millikin with a full season under the belts of freshmen Bailey Coffman, Abby Ratsch and Miranda Fox along with Aubrey Staton and Jordan Hildebrand - the Big Blue will have as strong and balanced a lineup as any team.  They have loads of talent.

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 19, 2020, 10:42:32 pm »
Carthage loses at home to Elmhurst 75-73.  ECís Sophia Lathe has been finishing strong for the BlueJays  and came away with 24 pts to lead Elmhurst.  Carthage got 16 pts from Maggie Berigan and 15 from Sammie Woodward.  Lady Reds miss a chance to get into a tie for the 6th spot but still remain a game out with one to play.

With North Central and Carthage both losing tonight, I think Augustana has clinched a spot as either the 5th or 6th seed depending on Sat results.

On Saturday, an NCC win @ Wheaton will clinch their spot as either 5 or 6 seed.  A Carthage win vs Ill Wesleyan and a NCC loss @ Wheaton means both will finish 7-9 having gone 0-2 vs WC and 1-1 vs NPU.  So Carthage will get the tie-breaker by virtue of their 1-1 record vs IWU or Millikin(depending who finishes 3rd/4th) and NCCís 0-2 record vs both. 


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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 19, 2020, 09:47:50 pm »
Wheaton 71 Carroll 54

Hannah Frazier      18 pts, 6 rebs, 5 asst, 4 blks
Hannah Williams    18 pts, 6 asst
Kristi Demski          9 pts, 3-5 three

Alyssa Cruz            10 pts, 6 rebs
Kayla Stefka           14 pts, 3 rebs

After a terrible 2nd quarter where the Thunder scored only 6 pts, the Lady Pios held a 30-27 lead.  But Wheaton came out hot in the 3rd, outscored Carroll 29-8 and cruised to a 71-54 victory.  You donít like seeing any 10 minute lay downs like that.  But the Thunder righted the ship with lots of defensive intensity in the second half.

This coupled with the NPU loss means Wheaton clinches at least a regular season tie for first and will host the conference tournament.

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 19, 2020, 09:18:46 pm »
I'm just wondering if the Millikin AD or SID are aware that the online webcast time and score are annoyingly constantly out of sync with the videocast time and score?  They're both shown side by side- One show 50-52 while the other shows 52-54?  I've noticed it other games too. 

However, watching Jordan Hildebrand and Jayla Johnson battling each other down in the blocks is worth the price of admission.  Really going at it.

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 19, 2020, 05:53:36 pm »
The second week Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/women-regional-rankings-second

Wheaton #3,  Ill Wesleyan and North Park # 7 and #8  behind LaCrosse, Benedictine and Wisc Lu.

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