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Chucker - the scholarships get audited by the NCAA against the non athlete student body every year. This has been brought up baselessly on here a few times already.

Also, note UST Footballís rise came long before any facilities. Caruso had them in the NCAA quarters long before the facility developments were a reality. At that time they had rusting weights in a hot box of a weight room that small high schools would ridicule today. They won a national championship in hockey playing in a horse barn at the fairgrounds. They dominated track and field while in one of the saddest indoor facilities in the conference. Baseball won a national title while having to move 7 man blocking sleds into foul territory before games started, leaving huge ruts in the outfield; also the location for hammer and shot put by the way. You really test your mettle as a center fielder shagging fly balls while dodging hammer throws from the throwers.

Meanwhile, St Olaf has had some of the best facilities in the MIAC for some time. The gigantic fieldhouse with a 2nd deck, the $10 million ice arena, and the separate football training facilities. Yet, they are the ringleader of this mess. Letís not forget they had a football program rolling up huge scores on teams in the last decade, while building a recruiting pipeline from Dade and Broward counties, leading to skepticism from the rest of the conference. Note, this was all under President Andersonís watch by the way. The other schools didnít decide to cut and run.
UST has never won a hockey national title in either gender.  Baseball won 2 national titles but I fear you're exaggerating greatly regarding the multi-sport use of the ballfield. Sorry

2000 hockey was runner-up, that was what I was thinking of.

Take a quick look at google maps. You'll find javelin and hammer throw setups in the outfield of the baseball complex. Up until a few years ago they also had the 7 man sleds up there too. During fall baseball practice those often had to be moved by the baseball team before practice. https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9454705,-93.1913691,180m/data=!3m1!1e3

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Chucker - the scholarships get audited by the NCAA against the non athlete student body every year. This has been brought up baselessly on here a few times already.

Also, note UST Footballís rise came long before any facilities. Caruso had them in the NCAA quarters long before the facility developments were a reality. At that time they had rusting weights in a hot box of a weight room that small high schools would ridicule today. They won a national championship in hockey playing in a horse barn at the fairgrounds. They dominated track and field while in one of the saddest indoor facilities in the conference. Baseball won a national title while having to move 7 man blocking sleds into foul territory before games started, leaving huge ruts in the outfield; also the location for hammer and shot put by the way. You really test your mettle as a center fielder shagging fly balls while dodging hammer throws from the throwers.

Meanwhile, St Olaf has had some of the best facilities in the MIAC for some time. The gigantic fieldhouse with a 2nd deck, the $10 million ice arena, and the separate football training facilities. Yet, they are the ringleader of this mess. Letís not forget they had a football program rolling up huge scores on teams in the last decade, while building a recruiting pipeline from Dade and Broward counties, leading to skepticism from the rest of the conference. Note, this was all under President Andersonís watch by the way. The other schools didnít decide to cut and run. 

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If  I am someone like Killian, I would not be happy either. My football program has become the laughing stock across media channels. That has to hurt recruiting. March - May is the big decision making window for a lot of DIII kids too. This is all coming on the heals of St Olaf building a little momentum in football as well. The St Olaf President is handling this about as well as his last two PR disaster's: the fake racism incident and the Baseball team hazing.

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I have enjoyed this board lumping Bethel into the top three athletic schools because they have good football. I would say Gustavus is overall much stronger athletically. Regardless, grouping Bethel with the Tommies and the Johnnies is laughable.

Itís no secret that this is about football, and Bethel has done quite well, despite greater handicaps than the coalition. If it wasnít about football, the coalition was sleeping at the wheel in the early 2000ís when UST won national titles in softball, baseball, hockey, and womenís basketball. That would have been the time to push the issue. The only thing that changed in that time is UST footballís rise and the coalitionís complete ineptitude to field a football team. Concordia was 5th in the conference last year and beat the bottom 4 teams 181-31. That is gross incompetence fueled by those schools administrators over the last decade.

Thankfully, to date, those administrators appear to be just as incompetent in winning the PR and political game in trying to shoehorn this thing through.

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Art - the revenue sharing idea sounds good in theory. The B1G practices that model with bowl game proceeds and other revenue streams. However, the MIAC is not the B1G.

Letís say SJU hosts Tommie Johnnie and they get a gate of 18,000. Weíll ignore the fact a number of those are students that are paying little to nothing to attend. Weíll say they make $20 a ticket for the sake of simplicity. So SJU grosses $360,000 on attendance. Add another $100k for concessions and you are up to $460,000. Cut that in half to account for expenses. Splitting $230k amongst the 9 football members not named St Johns nets each school a whopping $26,000! If Carleton College is hard up for a $26k check when itís endowment is pushing towards $1 BILLION something is wrong. Revenue sharing wonít solve anything, even for the ďpoorerĒ schools in the conference, primarily because their is so little revenue to share, as evidenced from the conferences largest event tabulated above.

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Ill be curious to see, if a cap is agreed to, how it might impact St Kate's. If you double there number to account for males they are near UST levels. Do the President's give them an exception? I am sure growing is critical to them, given their current financial issues.

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How do we know that UST actually wants to stay in the MIAC? They've made major investments in athletic facilities, struck deals with WCCO and Allianz Field, dramatically expanded recruiting across most sports, and hired a D1 AD. They're also in the quiet phase of a giant fundraiser that likely includes money for athletics. Nothing opens those checkbooks like a perceived emergency...

Allianz Field will not be solution for D1 football or soccer. The Loons ownership paid for that facility so that they could have their own field. I doubt they want a college football team tearing up the pitch 4 or 5 Saturdays each fall. Maybe U$T could pay them enough $$$ to make it happen but I doubt it.

It's plenty big enough for FCS football, and I'm also certain that the folks that paid $250 million for it would like to have someone else kick in for the bill. That said, any "deal" with Loons ownership that I'm aware of is limited to the one game against the Johnnies.
Taking this point to be true, where does UST play football with a move to D2 and eventually D1? I don't see O'Shaughnessy Stadium being the answer without removing the track. Would UST eliminate it's fine track & field program? Not very likely. Being landlocked has it's disadvantages. I don't know enough about real estate law to know if eminent domain would fall into UST's favor,but I hardly doubt that a private university's land issues would hold any favor in the eyes of the courts. I'm sure there are contingency plans in the works for UST because the current football facilities don't appear the be the answer in a move from D3 eventually to D1.
Why do you assume a move to D2 or even D1 would result in attendance gains that cannot be accommodated by the present stadium?  There is no "Tommie Nation" now or in the foreseeable future.
DII wouldn't matter at all, but a move up to DI has seating and attendance requirements that are associated with it. Im not saying the demand will follow, but look at the jumps in attendance for the Dakota schools when they moved up. The demand will grow, by how much, we shall see. What I am not sure of is if UST would be held to the requirements if football were non-scholarship D1, all San Diego, Butler, Drake, etc.

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After hearing the Reusse podcast, I was curious who the basketball coach was that called him at 6am? He stated it was not Tauer. But, it was clear whoever called him was very upset with the direction this was going in booting UST, based on how he described the conversation.

At a minimum I gave Coach Johnson from Bethel credit. He at least provided some off the cuff quotes on his personal opinions. Regardless of the side everyone else is just hiding behind the veil of their communication departments or going silent.

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 But again, that doesn't mean it's not something Anderson isn't pushing - Olaf loves viewing itself as an academic elite.


They don't just believe it, they actually are an elite academic school, especially compared to other MIAC schools not named Carleton and Mac. STO's president is a fool but he is not bluffing on the academic merits of his school. These weak, timid, pathetic "Coalition of Losers" aren't losing in life after Division 3 football I can assure you that.

The Oles have labeled themselves as academic elite and tried to group in with Mac and Carleton, but there is a gap between those two and St Olaf. UST & Gustavus are the next tier and just as close to St Olaf as St Olaf is to the top two, based on ACT & GPA. Feel free to argue those metrics if you want but itís what is most accessible to uniformly measure enrolled classes. St Olaf has done some nice marketing to throw themselves in with Carleton and Mac.

Carleton - ACT 31-34 - GPA 3.8
Mac - ACT 29-32 - GPA - 3.8
St Olaf - ACT 25-31 - GPA - 3.7
St Thomas - ACT 24-29 GPA - 3.6
Gustavus - ACT 24-30 GPA - 3.6

This may be true. St Olaf has a 36% acceptance rate, St Thomas has an 85% acceptance rate, Gustavus is 67%. Good marketing or not, St Olaf is seen as prestigious, and St Thomas/Gustavus are not as much. Additionally, my original post didn't claim they were light years ahead of the next best in the MIAC, just that they were better off academically than the rest, which is true. I think we can all agree that those 5 schools are great academic institutions based off those numbers. Especially that top one  8-)

No doubt. I would even argue there is a gap between 1&2 too, which should make you happy! My simple point I was trying to make was somewhere along the way St Olaf got hooked in with the Top 2, and I am not so sure that has been earned quite yet. St Olaf is a great school, and clearly the 3rd ďbestĒ by a number of metrics, but it is still a few steps behind the two above it.

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 But again, that doesn't mean it's not something Anderson isn't pushing - Olaf loves viewing itself as an academic elite.


They don't just believe it, they actually are an elite academic school, especially compared to other MIAC schools not named Carleton and Mac. STO's president is a fool but he is not bluffing on the academic merits of his school. These weak, timid, pathetic "Coalition of Losers" aren't losing in life after Division 3 football I can assure you that.

The Oles have labeled themselves as academic elite and tried to group in with Mac and Carleton, but there is a gap between those two and St Olaf. UST & Gustavus are the next tier and just as close to St Olaf as St Olaf is to the top two, based on ACT & GPA. Feel free to argue those metrics if you want but itís what is most accessible to uniformly measure enrolled classes. St Olaf has done some nice marketing to throw themselves in with Carleton and Mac.

Carleton - ACT 31-34 - GPA 3.8
Mac - ACT 29-32 - GPA - 3.8
St Olaf - ACT 25-31 - GPA - 3.7
St Thomas - ACT 24-29 GPA - 3.6
Gustavus - ACT 24-30 GPA - 3.6

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Itís interesting how time can make people forget things. Last Fall Caruso was well regarded coming out of the Johnnie game for how the UST team honored John. He attended the funeral that monday, wore a red tie, and pushed at least one Johnnie on this board up a hill in a dead golf cart. The rat pack brought his wife flowers for her cancer battle and the board was one big happy family.

But now you are bemoaning the devil incarnate to repent for all sins (some of which that have been completely made up) while highlighting Gags path to sainthood; conveniently forgetting Gagliardiís teams were slinging touchdown passes up 60+ with less than a minute in a game against the Hamlineís and Carletonís of the world.

The MIAC has changed some, as has DIII. But it would certainly be a shame for the conference landscape, which has been a stable fixture in MN for some time, to permanently change over a personal vendetta against a football team and coach. I tend to believe the MIAC football coaches are good men and leaders of men. They certainly arenít all the same and some of have probably had missteps along the way. If the story is as itís portrayed by Reusse that would be unfortunate. There is no turning back.


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Interesting to see Mac's President choose to resign in the midst of the salacious MIAC scandal. The kitchen must have been getting too hot for him. Y'all have him to thank for bringing Glen Caruso to the masses. If he didn't hire him at Mac, he doesn't end up at UST.

BTW, guessing the retirement announcement is completely unrelated to the current events. After all, Mac doesn't care about sports.

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Based on Reusse and Judd's sentiment on the podcast, I would expect some negativity from the STRIB and print media towards the ones choosing to change the conference up.

TV will likely remain the same. Some special interest stories on individuals and some when teams start making national runs. UST gets some nice coverage from KSTP (Hubbard is a Trustee), but they are good to small college in general. They hired Rajikowsi and have given him some reign to maintain a modest MIAC beat.

As part of Tommie football's coverage on CCO they always did weekly MIAC profiles on athletes and teams outside of St Thomas. I always thought that coverage was nice, since UST is paying for the air time. But the good deeds often go unnoticed.

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Blame Barry Alvarez for B1G hockey. He was the architect

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Having been around this league for many years, the reality is the teams at the top in football have differentiated to compete nationallyówhile the bottom half would struggle to win in the Top Metro HS conferences.  The bottom teams are extremely lean on talent and the concepts used in an attempt to cover that deficient are at best VERY BAD.  In college football today, bad teams that are poorly coached get blown out regularly by very good teams.

I don't disagree, RT, but I do a bit.  SJU dominated everything football for ages and the league lived with it.  There was grumbling about Gagliardi but everyone understood he was just really good at his job.  And it wasn't personal.  He didn't go out of his way to make people know they are beaten.  Except for UST, maybe.

But this is different.  People aren't just jealous of UST's success, but are unhappy with the way it's been done.  Not the just the money but the attitude.  Fakes and two-point plays.  Letting people know it's personal.  I think that enrolments and whatnot are convenient excuses for the fact that the other MIAC schools just don't like working with UST very much.  Don't like the people.  Particularly in the football program.  And have come up with a way to get rid of the problem.

I don't think SJU is next.  Take a few games last year.

Against Carlton SJU won 59-0, scoring only 7 after halftime.  UST won 68-0, scoring 26 after halftime.
Against St Olaf SJU won 57-14, scoring 14 late when a freshman RB broke a screen and run for long scores.  UST won 60 - 0, scoring 20 after the half.
Against Hamline SJU won 51 - 0, scoring 0 after halftime.  UST won 62 - 0, scoring 21 after the half.

In the 2017 97-0 quadruple stompout of STO, UST scored 33 after the half.


I think in the light of day and the emotion out of it, people in the conference would say SJU is very, very good but not mean.  I don't think they would say the same about the Tommies since they came to national football prominence.  Put it this way, absent the football program's behaviour I don't think these meetings would be happening despite the Tommie sports domination for the last 10 years.

Oz - Were you sleeping during Gags career? It took me 2 min to find a box score. Passing for a TD against Hamline with 10 seconds left already up by 60+. Even the mean Caruso didnít do that. Iím sure I could find a dozen other games if I cared to try. He made Caruso look quite sporting at times.

https://csbsju_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/Statistics/Football/2003/091303.htm

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