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North Central closes out the season knocking off Augustana 94-82. North Central finishes the year 14-11 overall, a decent 8-8 in conference.

Tournament seeds go Wheaton 1, IWU 2, Elmhurst 3, Augie 4.

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Titans win 107-77.

Cardinals make the CCIW Tournament! Site TBD, though at this juncture, looks like Kenosha.

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The Titans are en fuego.  36-17 Green Weenies over Augie with about 8 minutes left in the first half.

Hey, we're tryin' to do NPU a favor - that "Green Weenies" better have been typed with respect! :o ;D
Greg - we are doing our part!  This is the best half IWU has played at both end of the court all season.  Ebel has four fouls.  Why Coach G kept him in so long strange. 
1st half IWU FG 20-31 64.5%. 3pt 9-13 69.2% FT 13-15 86.7%
Brady Rose leads all scorer with 21 points headed to an all time career night.

Oh, for Coach G coat watchers about 15:30 remaining in first half.  Close to a record.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I think this was the only thing that mattered tonight.  :D

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The Titans are en fuego.  36-17 Green Weenies over Augie with about 8 minutes left in the first half.

Hey, we're tryin' to do NPU a favor - that "Green Weenies" better have been typed with respect! :o ;D

I also consider this repayment of last year's debt to North Central. NCC got the Titans the 4 seed on the final day last year; if this holds, the Cardinals will get the 4 seed this year. And I didn't even have to wear any green today...

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GO ELMHURST!!!
Fly high tonight BLUEJAYS!!!

I assume this was far less blasphemous than posting something in either that shade of green or some combination of navy and orange?  I mean, either of those results would be fine too. ;)

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: D3 Championship Belt
« on: February 19, 2017, 01:29:44 pm »
I decree the D-III Championship BeltTM will in fact be called the Goat BeltTM until such time that Carleton no longer possesses ItTM. Please comply in all future posts. Or else, you know...



Your new weasel looks a lot less threatening than your old weasel.

I pin it on one of two things: either the Goat is a peaceful mammal who doesn't want to come across as threatening, or they're so new to the business of legal defense of The BeltTM that they haven't devolved to the state of the old Legal WeaselsTM. I mean, they probably haven't gone back through all 115 pages of this thread yet...

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 18, 2017, 11:22:07 pm »
I believe the teams still in contention.  Is this correct?
Augustana 11-4 at Illinois Wesleyan
North Park 10-5 hm vs Millikin
Carthage 10-5 hm vs Wheaton

North Central 9-7 done
Carroll 8-7 plays at Elmhurst; 1-1 vs NCC

Carroll would win tie breaker with NCC I think by virtue of 1-1 vs Augie, Carthage and NPU.  NCC is 0-2 vs NPU and Augie.

NCC split with North Park, so if the Vikings finish in 1st, NCC would wi the tiebreaker. If it's Augie, the Cardinals would be out since they got swept.

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 18, 2017, 10:26:09 am »
Elmhurst has the bye today. Here are the prior results of today's rematches.
Wheaton 73, Carroll 43
Carthage 96, Millikin 80
Ill Wesleyan 118, North Central 113 OT
Augustana 88, North Park 85
These average out to 174 pts per game. I'll predict 140 per game average today.

The first NCC-IWU game had both Mayson Whipple and Gabby Holness, so I doubt we'll see a combined 231 points tonight. It's a meaningless game anyways; the Cardinals are out, and the Titans can't make any inroads to the regular season title tonight. Same with Wheaton; it all comes down to Tuesday.

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 16, 2017, 02:02:26 pm »
Enginerd: 

Welcome to the board!

I did notice Rose Hulman in the regional rankings and their pretty nice overall record.  I will not claim any intimate knowledge surrounding the vagaries of the D3hoops polling process and voting.  Massey has RHIT at #27 overall with an SOS rank of about 77.  More mystifying to me is Trineís #11 ranking with a similar SOS to RHIT of 75.  They really havenít beaten anyone of note except Calvin ( who also has few impressive wins).  Could be that voters are using Massey a lot to help inform their ballots?  Idk,  but you probably have a case just as Ill Wesleyan has one too.

The Engineers can solve a lot of that by continuing to win.

I agree GoPerry...but if the D3Hoops voters ARE basing their ballots on Massey, it wouldn't make any sense anyway. As the #27 Massey team, Rose should be getting something along the lines of the 10-18 votes garnered by Ithaca, Texas-Dallas, and Wheaton, respectively. Ultimately, votes in a D3Hoops poll matter very little at the end of the season, but I AM very curious how RHIT wouldn't have at least gotten one vote! That's why I asked GordonMann, who certainly cannot claim to be unaware of Terre Haute or RHIT, since he covered the Women's Final Four here in the dim past - There might be legitimate reasons a voter would be inclined NOT to vote for a particular team...

With all due respect to Gordon, Dave, and the rest of the voters for D3Hoops, I tend not to put a lot of stock in the Top 25 other than for pride purposes. Though to be fair, I was in the same situation two seasons ago when I spent all of December 2014 screaming about my Cardinals either barely receiving votes or being completely off the Top 25 list despite being undefeated and possessing one of the better strengths of schedule to that point that season. I earned a shoutout on Hoopsville from coach Michelle Roof after the Illinois Wesleyan win to open conference play, and the team finally broke into the rankings. Eventually you get some respect.  :P

As for the why RHIT isn't receiving votes, I can't say for certain. Obviously their record, strength of schedule, and Massey ratings speak for themselves as a caliber of team that should at least be getting some votes. Kind of like GoPerry said though, they keep winning and the voters may have no choice but to give them some love.

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 16, 2017, 01:47:13 pm »
With two dates' worth of games left, I'm trying to work out the scenarios. First for the top overall seed:

-Regardless of what happens on Saturday, Tuesday's game between Wheaton and Illinois Wesleyan will be the CCIW Regular Season Championship Game, with the winner hosting the CCIW Tournament and the loser falling to the #2 seed (Illinois Wesleyan would hold the head to head tiebreaker if they win, and Wheaton would hold the tiebreaker if they win based on sweeps of both Augustana and Elmhurst, while Illinois Wesleyan split their games with both teams).

For the #3 seed:

-Augustana clinches the #3 seed with a win at North Park on Saturday AND a win vs North Central on Tuesday.
-Augustana clinches the #3 seed with a win at North Park on Saturday OR a win vs North Central on Tuesday AND an Elmhurst loss at Millikin on Tuesday. (In both scenarios, Augie holds the tiebreaker over Elmhurst due to a regular season sweep).
-Elmhurst clinches the #3 seed with a win at Millikin on Tuesday AND losses by Augustana at North Park on Saturday AND vs North Central on Tuesday.

And for the #4 seed:

-Augustanta clinches a CCIW Tournament berth with a win at North Park on Saturday OR a win vs North Central on Tuesday OR a Carthage loss at Millikin on Saturday OR a Carthage loss at Carroll on Tuesday OR an Illinois Wesleyan win at Wheaton on Tuesday (Augustana would hold the tiebreaker over Carthage if Illinois Wesleyan wins the CCIW regular season title due to a splitting the season series; Carthage lost both games to Illinois Wesleyan).
-Carthage clinches the #4 seed with a wins at Millikin on Saturday AND at Carroll on Tuesday AND losses by Augustana at North Park on Saturday AND vs North Central on Tuesday AND a Wheaton win vs Illinois Wesleyan on Tuesday (Carthage would hold the tiebreaker over Augustana if Wheaton wins the CCIW regular season title due to splitting the season series; Augustana lost both games to Wheaton).

My head hurts now, though this at least makes more sense than last year's men's scenario going into the final day; North Park was still alive but had absolutely no control over their own destiny. Here at least pretty much every scenario involves "win and in," though Carthage needs a world of help just to get in, and Elmhurst needs help to grab the #3 seed.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 16, 2017, 12:58:23 pm »
Francis gets my vote for POY.

For the sake of argument, here are their stats (CCIW only):

PPG
Francis: 25.6 (1st)
Robinson: 21.4 (2nd)

RPG
Francis: 3.2 (well outside the top 20)
Robinson: 8.9 (2nd)

FG%
Francis: .474 (15th)
Robinson: .540 (5th)

Assists
Francis: 3.07 (8th)
Robinson: 4.43 (1st)

FT%
Francis: .839 (8th)
Robinson: .608 (well outside the top 15)

Steals
Francis: 2.14 (1st)
Robinson: 1.00 (T-11th)

3P%
Francis: .426 (6th)
Robinson: .425 (7th)
*Francis has 54 more attempts

A/TO Ratio
Francis: 1.05 (9th)
Robinson: 1.63 (4th)

Nicely done, lmitzel, but you left out one other category:

Blocks
Francis: 0.23 (well outside the top 15)
Robinson: 1.29 (4th)

This is actually one of Robinson's more impressive categories. At 6'3 (an overestimation, believe me), Jordan is the league's smallest big man. And yet he's among the top shot-blockers. In fact, the three players ranked above him are 6'10 Micah Martin, 6'8 Alex Sorenson, and 6'11 Brad Perry. This speaks to Jordan's athleticism, his timing, and his absolute refusal to concede shots. The only other player smaller than 6'5 on this list is Brad Kruse (who is a significantly underrated player in his own right), and Kruse gets a lot of his blocks on the perimeter, mostly against smaller guards. Every Robinson block I've seen this year has come within five feet of the basket.

I skipped over blocks because I figured the positional comparisons would have made it obvious that Robinson had a lead, but I'm glad you included those, because it just makes the case for Robinson all the more strong. Both have a pretty good impact at the defensive end, though Robinson's is probably stronger given his shot blocking strength relative to his size, and Robinson's offensive game is more well-rounded than Francis'.

It's closer than I thought before I looked at all the numbers, but I don't see an objective argument based purely on the stats to say Francis deserves it more than Robinson. You could maybe make the argument that Francis is doing more with less, and dragging Wheaton into contention compared to what Robinson has around him to get the Vikings to their first CCIW Tournament (barring a complete collapse on Saturday and Tuesday).

Given the team that NPU's had to put on the floor over the past five games, this is not as clear-cut an argument as it sounds.

This is actually a pretty good point that I didn't expand on, because I figured a full season of Francis all but carrying the Thunder to where they're at didn't quite weigh the same as Juwan Henry missing a handful of games, but it's definitely a factor when you consider the Vikings are 1-3 in games Henry hasn't played (though in fairness, that may hamper the argument a little bit, but not enough to swing the award).

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 16, 2017, 09:26:50 am »
Francis gets my vote for POY.

For the sake of argument, here are their stats (CCIW only):

PPG
Francis: 25.6 (1st)
Robinson: 21.4 (2nd)

RPG
Francis: 3.2 (well outside the top 20)
Robinson: 8.9 (2nd)

FG%
Francis: .474 (15th)
Robinson: .540 (5th)

Assists
Francis: 3.07 (8th)
Robinson: 4.43 (1st)

FT%
Francis: .839 (8th)
Robinson: .608 (well outside the top 15)

Steals
Francis: 2.14 (1st)
Robinson: 1.00 (T-11th)

3P%
Francis: .426 (6th)
Robinson: .425 (7th)
*Francis has 54 more attempts

A/TO Ratio
Francis: 1.05 (9th)
Robinson: 1.63 (4th)

It's closer than I thought before I looked at all the numbers, but I don't see an objective argument based purely on the stats to say Francis deserves it more than Robinson. You could maybe make the argument that Francis is doing more with less, and dragging Wheaton into contention compared to what Robinson has around him to get the Vikings to their first CCIW Tournament (barring a complete collapse on Saturday and Tuesday). Francis has the more eye-popping scoring stats, but as stated yesterday, Robinson is the more complete player, and the stats back this up. If Francis is not a unanimous First Team All-CCIW, I'll be shocked, and I'm sure he'll get some MOP votes, but Robinson has been the best player in the conference this year and I'll be shocked if he doesn't win the award.

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 16, 2017, 07:14:10 am »
Sounded like I only missed 21 threes last night as North Central beat up on Carroll 104-54. Apparently they caught fire in the fourth, hitting 7-10 from beyond the arc. They also tied a team record with 11 blocks.

Cardinals can play spoiler in their final two games at Illinois Wesleyan and at Augie. Hopefully the youth on the team can show their development from the season and put up good efforts in the final two games.

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 15, 2017, 02:57:24 pm »
Regional rankings just dropped. Illinois Wesleyan moves up to third in the Central, Wheaton is fifth, and Augie is eighth.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/02/women-regional-rankings-second

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Central Region / Re: WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 15, 2017, 01:28:24 pm »
lmitzel, good luck with your imminent family addition. Nevertheless, the meeting could be held at halftime inside Gregory Arena, no? ha ha

Somehow I imagine a priest explaining the purpose of a Christian witness getting interrupted by my yelling "THREEEEEEEEE!" for the 12th time of the night would result in a very dirty look, and that's the best case scenario.  :D

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