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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Top 25 talk
« on: Yesterday at 10:54:14 am »

Macon and Yeshiva are in the same boat, from my perspective - most of the talent comes back, but I want to see what chemistry looks like without those seniors; both schools are losing two really important leaders, even if not always on the stat sheet.

The goal was never to prevent infections? Apparently you don't have any older acquaintances with asthma.

That wasn't the goal of the national policy.  They were pretty clear about that.  I have a pair of 88 year old grandparents who've been quarantined separately in their care facility for the last four months.  I get the great lengths people have gone to individually to protect themselves - but the overall public picture was never really about containment - it could have been if they acted faster, I suppose - but everyone knew it was unlikely the whole country would be shut down until a vaccine was available (which was really the only way to contain once we had the kind of widespread infection we had).

We would've seen stricter and enforced quarantines, all sorts of other things.  The real concern was not overburdening the heath system, like Italy, and we seemed, amazingly, to do it - at least so far.

I think this US far exceeded my expectations, at least as a population.

I just think, with reasonable accommodations and decent testing, sports can happen - but the testing is what puts us into a better space to expand opportunities.

I do agree with Jester, though, we're going to see a lot of schools who can't open for 2021-22.  Those mid-year announcements will be very sad.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
« on: Yesterday at 10:43:47 am »

I mean, are we going to deny the obvious?  Atlanta and St. Louis are pretty cool places, but they're not lower Manhattan. It takes a very specific kind of student athlete to go to NYU to play basketball.  Like we've said, it's not impossible to recruit there and the new gym will definitely help, but you're competing with A LOT more alternatives for student-athlete attention than at most schools, even very good ones.

NYU's location is a feature, not a bug, as far as recruiting is concerned.

It's not about competing with alternatives for student-athlete attention. You're underestimating the focus and drive of a basketball player. A kid who wants to play college basketball will want to play college basketball no matter where he ends up. But lower Manhattan is an enticing location for when you're not playing basketball, because college basketball players don't play pickup games, work on their shooting, and lift weights 24/7/52. They have lives, too. And when you're twenty years old, living that life in Greenwich Village can seem like a very cool thing, whether you're a basketball player, a tuba player, or a Halo player.

Plus, in terms of internship opportunities on the academic and future-career side of things, Manhattan is a treasure trove of possibilities.

Of course we know the premise is faulty.  D3 basketball players end their careers early all the time precisely because they have other interests and commitments.  It's one the things that makes D3 great.  Yeah, players who have basketball as their #2 priority (because they're all students first, right) may not choose a place like NYU, because they're less interested in the other things.

Maybe instead of saying obstacle, I should say NYU has a unique recruiting profile that's going to require some creativity from a coach to do really well.

If you can recruit, you can recruit anywhere; I just imagine its a little tougher finding the basketball players from whom NYU is the right fit - and that's for a good reason, not a negative.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
« on: June 05, 2020, 08:23:50 pm »

I mean, are we going to deny the obvious?  Atlanta and St. Louis are pretty cool places, but they're not lower Manhattan. It takes a very specific kind of student athlete to go to NYU to play basketball.  Like we've said, it's not impossible to recruit there and the new gym will definitely help, but you're competing with A LOT more alternatives for student-athlete attention than at most schools, even very good ones.

I don't think it's hard to see why recruiting nationally competitive players at NYU might be more difficult.

According to NYU's website, their aid is largely merit-based, but weighted by need vs WashU where they're committed to every student from a family making less than $75,000 a year graduating without any debt, and they're still giving a median need-based scholarship of $30,000 to kids from families making $200,000+.

NYU is super popular and awesome and they don't need to spend as much on aid to get the kind of students they want.  That's going to definitely hurt a non-scholarship athletic program.

I don't think any of these are excuses, though - just obstacles.


The open gym stuff is a little different.  The real value for a coach in a closed practice like the ones at UWSP (do we still have to say alleged?) is that, even if the coaches are passive observers, you can have the players introduce a defense or some offensive sets and see how the recruits pick it up and fit in.  Talent scouting isn't too difficult from afar, but some of those other dynamics you just can't know until everyone's on the court.

I doubt that's as much an issue, though, as the visits.  You're essentially relying on the admissions dept to set everything up. As I understand it, MBB can't even send over a list of names for admissions to flag as basketball recruits.  Coaches can tell the players to tell admissions, but there's absolutely zero catering of the visit to basketball (although I think the players can still request meetings with the coach like any other student might - Dave might have to clarify that one, for me).

In a super competitive environment like the WIAC, that's a huge, huge disadvantage.

Plus you can't even rely on maybe some of the grey area stuff another school could get away with, because all the oversight with the show-cause has to be documented.  A team captain could play some open gym games with a recruit and give the coach an evaluation on the sly most places - that's not technically supposed to happen, but we all know it does - that kind of thing is doubly (triply) hard for UWSP during the probation.

Plus, as charming a guy as Bob is, he's competing with a lot of younger coaches now, and that really does make a difference in recruiting. That relatability factor is huge.

You can catch the virus 14 seconds after being tested. Or two days later, etc.
Testing negative is not a protection from acquiring the virus thereafter.

No, but if there's widespread testing, health officials can actually track it.  Cases in the US continue to go up as (in most places) hospitalization numbers are dropping consistently, if not dramatically.  That means they're finding more and more asymptomatic people, which helps put the overall puzzle together.  Without testing, we're acting blind.  Testing isn't a solution, but it's the key to managing the virus and opening up more of the country safely.

If we have widespread testing, the chances of someone catching the virus 14 seconds after a negative test decrease dramatically, because there's a much smaller chance of contact with someone who doesn't know they have it.

Any college is going to have a plan and likely a handle on contact tracing this fall.  I suspect we won't see fans (at least off-campus fans) at any sporting events all year - but if they have a clear picture of the campus community itself (who's leaving, when, and to where, etc), they'll be able to manage safely.

Remember, the goal was never to prevent infections, it was to manage them.  That will continue to be the goal until (if) there's a workable vaccine.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
« on: June 04, 2020, 02:40:37 pm »
NYU has officially announced their next recruiting class.

They add 9 new players including 3 transfer students; one of which has transferred from Division I Marshall though after a cursory review, it does not seem as though he played there.

As an aside, Dom Cristiano has signed as a graduate student with Division II Pace University.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand they've pulled the story already.  Must not have gotten deposits from everyone just yet.


The WHO continues to emphasize that masks are not necessary for healthy people.  Presumably, before athletic competition gets underway, there will have to be provisions for testing to ensure participants (officials included) aren't carriers - which would then make the mask issue moot.

We've still got standing mask directives in most of the US, because we still don't have great testing to know who's sick or not.  My Dad's in a vulnerable population for about five different reasons, but without symptoms he was only just tested for the first time this week.  Once we catch up, a lot of the mask questions will resolve themselves.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Conference changes
« on: May 28, 2020, 02:23:14 pm »
Same conference, new name. They keep the AQ, like the ARC.

So the LMC and the NIIC combined, with a different conference name. But the CAC takes all the ACAA teams and changes the name, but that's different somehow?

Also, you can't compare what the CAC/ACAA "merger" as "Same conference, new name. They keep the AQ, like the ARC" because the ARC just changed their name, they didn't add a different conference's members.

Well, they added Nebraska Wesleyan.  A lot of the New England conference swip swap members all the time - if they also changed names at the same time, would you want them to go back to square one for AQs?  I don't see the problem with this.

The NCAA recognizes conferences - once you have recognition, you're eligible for AQs when you qualify.  I don't believe there's a waiting period if schools within an existing conference add sports in sufficient numbers to get an AQ, is there?

It's all about the official recognition of the league.  That's why they're trying to make it a little more difficult for conferences to gain recognition - and likely why the ACAA schools jumped at this chance to get it immediately.

I don't follow football, so I don't know all the specifics, but I know the CCC merged with a football only conference a few years back (one that consisted almost entirely of CCC schools), and just assumed the football AQ.  I'm guessing this was because the CCC was already a recognized conference, so once they had seven schools offering the sport, they got the AQ right away.

Mid-Atlantic Region / Re: MBB: Capital Athletic Conference
« on: May 28, 2020, 02:16:09 pm »

I have always been under the impression the ACAA was created to try and earn an AQ for teams actively seeking residence in other conferences.  It was created during a time when there was no Pool B bid (at least for men's basketball) and this was hurting recruiting at these schools - with no real chance at post-season play.  At the same time, coaches I spoke with were well aware that as soon as their school found another place to go, they would.

The only problem with that model is that the ACAA never got to a level where they qualified for an AQ - this merger provides them that access.

It's super unlikely one of the ACAA teams beat CNU in a basketball tournament, but the possibility exists - plus, I imagine, all these ACAA schools will continue to actively seeks better conferences fits moving forward.

It's messy, for sure, but I do see why everybody is on board with the plan for now.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Conference changes
« on: May 27, 2020, 02:04:00 am »
Same conference, new name. They keep the AQ, like the ARC.

Central Region / Re: MBB: Midwest Conference
« on: May 21, 2020, 01:58:00 pm »

Of course, the obvious points on the flip side are that the UWGB job offers the salary, prestige, and program resources that SNC can't match.

I'm sure the salary is more... but it might not be eye-poppingly more

Darner was getting $230,000 per year, plus incentives.  I dare say that's significantly more than SNC is paying.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Conference changes
« on: May 15, 2020, 11:25:52 am »
I'd say six. Delhi's already out the door. Full member of the NAC as of last year (2019-20). Basketballs/softball presumably left in the ACAA one final year to sync up with NAC's scheduling rotation.

Right.  They're still associate member in a few things, that's why they're still on the website.  I forgot.

So that means the "new" conference will only have six the first year they would be relegated to Pool B, which was the only reason for the merger in the first place.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Conference changes
« on: May 15, 2020, 09:00:24 am »
The news of Pine Manor closing puts the ACAA-CAC conglomeration at just seven men's teams for 2021-22, and that's assuming Pratt stays on track with transition. Delhi will be a full member soon and maybe a candidate to leave for a more stable conference.

California just announced its 23 university campuses will conduct most classes online, affecting over 500,000 students.

The loss of sport will doom North Park University.  Viking football and soccer players tend to chose my alma mater primarily to play sport. If there is no season, those kids will not enroll and go elsewhere. No money coming in to live in the dorm or attend class.  Uff da!

I have encouraged the President since she started her job to cut football, track, cross country, tennis...and there could be save money, and join the NAIA, which does not require a minimum of 14 athletic teams.  She never responds to my emails.  John Born does not either.

Is 14 a CCIW minimum?  I believe the D3 minimum is still 10, right?

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