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With the two overtimes providing an extra 10 minutes of playing time, last night's 57 rebounds in the win at Wheaton set an all-time single game school record for the Cardinals.

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GoPerry--

I'm not down on Spencer or Peterson.
I just think Spencer needs to remember that there is more to the game than grandiose celebratory displays after making a three. And that perhaps he'd be more valuable to his team if he'd first get back on defense after sinking a three, and save the celebrating until later. That way he might actually be able to celebrate a victory instead of solely a couple of rather meaningless threes. Call it another stop on the freshman learning curve.
Same goes for Peterson. Doesn't it make sense that at 6-5 and 230 he would be more effective under the basket than hanging out beyond the three point line and lobbing up bricks that have a lot less chance of finding the mark than a layup or 5-6 footer would have? Especially considering that neither interior offense nor defense is exactly a Wheaton strength.

4samuy--

Not withstanding Augie's finishing schedule, I can only go on what I've seen so far in saying that if I had to place a bet on the ultimate conference winner, I'd have to place my money on Augie. They just seem to have the lineup that features the most quality depth among the current top 4 teams. But yes, there is still a long way to go and Augie is certainly not a prohibitive favorite.



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And, while nobody is going to cry for the Cardinals, its unfortunate that the team has been unable to compete as they were constructed at the beginning of the season prior to the extended personnel losses they have sustained through both preventable and unpreventable circumstances.

Stuff happens. I'd venture that each program in this league has had a season like this, and for most, if not all of them, it's happened multiple times over the course of league history. I can cite you chapter and verse on seasons when NPU has simultaneously lost key players. NCC's not even the D3 team that's had it the worst this season; try trading places with an Alma fan, Mark.

Without Connor (and others), NCC has lost 5 games by a total of 30 points, or an average of 6 points a game, meaning they've hung pretty tough without a top tier player. I'd venture that with #32 (and others) in the lineup the Cardinals would currently be sitting at a minimum of 13-3, and quite possibly at 14-2.

North Central's done an admirable job of upholding the "next man up" principle, no doubt about it at all. The fact that NCC is even within a game of a playoff slot right now is testimony to that; the Cards could've folded and lost last night's game, which would've put them in the tough spot of sitting in seventh place, two games out of a playoff spot. But your assertion about where the Cards would be with Raridon, Fehrle, and Anderson bumps right into your previous 90% "on any given night" dictum.

A. I have no doubt that there are other teams that have suffered important losses this season, especially when you take the entire country under consideration. However, it would be hard to imagine any one individual who might have been lost to his team for any extended period this season being more important and a bigger loss to his team than Connor Raridon is to the Cardinals.
Besides that, this is the CCIW room, and that's where my concern lies. There is no doubt any CCIW team has sustained a bigger loss.

B. Especially considering some of the surprising results we've already seen in the conference this year, it does seem that the outcome of about 90% of the games would be in doubt. It's JMHO that with Raridon, NCC would have won at least 4 of the 5 games it has lost since his injury. If we were talking about NPU having lost Robinson or Henry and losing 5 games since that happened, I'd likewise think that they probably would have won at least 4 of the 5 with such a good player available. Same thing would apply to Augie with Sortillo, Johnston, or Orange, or IWU with Seibring or Rose.
We're talking about top playershere. Difference makers.


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North Central 86
Wheaton 82

Aston Francis  24 pts, 7 rebs, 6 stls, 9 turnovers
Jake Mlagan  12 pts, 5 rebs, 2 stls
Spencer Peterson, 13 pts, 5 rebs

Alex Sorenson, 23 pts, 15 rebs (9 off)
Aiden Chang, 19 pts
Matt Cappelletti, 13 pts, 13 rebs (5 off)
Tommy Koth, 12 pts, 8 assists

The Thunder had their chances to win, despite really atrocious rebounding(-14) including -10 on the offensive glass (and that seems low).  The only Wheaton player capable of checking 6’8” 240lb jr Alex Sorenson down low was 6’5” 230lb freshman Spencer Petersen, but giving up 3 inches was an awful lot to ask.  Both teams had golden opportunities to win in the 1st OT but freshman Jake Mlagan couldn’t get the 2nd free throw tiebreaker to go with 8 secs left.  NCC then took it straight down the court but Jaquan Phipps missed a wide open layup with 1 second left.  The 2nd OT was NCC executing well and Wheaton not so much – 4 guys in white looking for Francis to do something resulting in missed shots and turnovers.

Aiden Chang is very solid.  He hit some huge baskets down the stretch, broke down the defense with some drives, and really played well in the OTs.  NCC played with more poise overall and more offensive weapons.  For Wheaton, Ricky Samuelson had a tough shooting night, 2/9, and if he’s not hitting, then the offense really gets too Francis-centric.  Despite the missed free throw, freshman Mlagan continues to play well, rewarded with deserved minutes at crunch time.  Overall, consistent defense continues to be a challenge for the Thunder.

* With Wheaton having little to no low post presence on either end of the floor, NCC's Alex Sorenson dominated with 23 and 15.
* Rapidly developing freshman Matt Cappelletti celebrated his 1st college start by posting a noteworthy double-double with a matching pair of 13s.
* Several of Aiden Chang's 19 points came at pivotal points in the game, often stopping a WC mini run. It seemed like the assembled members of the Wheaton peanut gallery, seated behind what I believe is the east basket, took particular delight in haranguing Mr. Chang throughout the evening. In acknowledgment of their "love," Aiden gave the obstreperous assemblage a one fingered salute (👉) on his way back down the court after his most important three of the night.
* The most obvious differential in the energy level between the two teams was displayed by NCC's "JQ" Phipps who went at the Wheaties 100% flat out every second of his 33 minutes of PT.
* It appeared that at least some of the "stand around" Wheaton offense, previously referenced by other posters, was by design. On several possessions, the NCC staff could be heard yelling "ISO" as the home team brought the ball up. This was a signal that the upcoming play call was one where Aston Francis would end up on one side of the floor with his teammates on the other side, and Francis would take a pass and try to create a 3 chance off the dribble. Yes, there were times when everyone was in the flow, but those occasions usually saw the Cardinals flying around and through the slower and less mobile Wheaties.
* Jay Spencer looks like, especially if he can add at least a few ounces of muscle, he could develop into a nice player for WC. But for now, he needs to realize that, with last night's two, he has a grand total of six made threes in his college career and instead of acting like a goof when he makes one, get back and play some defense.
* 6'5" 230 pound WC freshman Spencer Peterson might want to think about looking for work within a mile or so of the basket rather than hanging out south of the 3 point line and going 4 for 12.
* A large factor in the final outcome was NCC's domination on the boards. Their 57 to 43 advantage helped offset their rather putrid 36.3% shooting.
* Only 8 Cardinals saw action in the double OT game last night. Each gave a great effort and in some way contributed to a much needed Cardinal win. However, following the dictum that "you win with defense," my #1 star of the game goes to Tommy Koth, the primary defender on Wheaton star Aston Francis. Francis did score 22 points from the field, but took 21 shots to do so. On top of that, again primarily as a result of Koth's D, Francis was harassed into an astounding 9 Turnovers, thus basically giving back up to 18 of the 22 points he scored. As icing on the cake, Tommy served up a game high 8 assists.

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Looking at Augustana's remaining schedule , I just do not see any result other than a first place finish.  If I am right, it is a race for 2-4 with NPU having a slight advantage.  But it is IMHO, an open race for 2-4.  It looks like another,groan, CCIW tournament in Rock Island.

Certainly Augie is in a good spot, but they still have to travel to North Park, IWU, Carthage, & Carroll... none of those are going to be easy trips.

Spot on, tj.
Plus, based on what we have already seen within the conference on several occasions so far, it seems like the phrase "on any given night" is applicable to about 90% of the remaining games.

That said, based on what I've seen so far, I'd pick Augie to win if I had to place a bet.

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I know that Mark's going to sit on whatever inside info he has, but, since I know that some source internal to Elmhurst has the Bluejays already expecting to see Connor Raridon suit up against them in Faganel Hall on Saturday, the question is whether or not Wheaton needs to concern itself with a possible uni-clad Connor Raridon sighting in King Arena tonight.

I love all the speculation about when Connor Raridon might return. Obviously, Wheaton didn't have to worry about it last night (not that the Cardinals needed him anyway  ;) ), and I assure you that nobody at or associated with Elmhurst has a clue.

And, while nobody is going to cry for the Cardinals, its unfortunate that the team has been unable to compete as they were constructed at the beginning of the season prior to the extended personnel losses they have sustained through both preventable and unpreventable circumstances.
Without Connor (and others), NCC has lost 5 games by a total of 30 points, or an average of 6 points a game, meaning they've hung pretty tough without a top tier player. I'd venture that with #32 (and others) in the lineup the Cardinals would currently be sitting at a minimum of 13-3, and quite possibly at 14-2.

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At least once on the Wheaton video feed I noticed someone on the NCC bench with a cast on.  I'm assuming that is Raridon.  If he still has a cast on today, playing Saturday seems like a stretch, no?  Even if it comes off tomorrow or Friday, that seems like a potentially unnecessary risk, both physically, and execution-wise (as good as Raridon is, I can't imagine he could jump right back in at game speed).

You mean that (blue) elastic-cloth wrap. Being a colorful guy, Connor opted for bright blue over the traditional white or otherwise bland light tan/flesh color on his last checkup. 😉

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North Central knocks off Wheaton in two overtimes, 88-82. I watched the second OT, and it was the first time in 25 years that I saw a Wheaton team get outconditioned, as the Cards had legs and WC didn't. That's a tribute to Wheaton's program under Bill Harris and Mike Schauer -- and to this shorthanded North Central team.

As far as legs are concerned, in addition to missing it's acknowledged star for an extended period now, the Cardinals also played tonight without their fastest set of legs. Starting PG Jagger Anderson, probably the fastest guy with the ball in the conference, was not available. No timetable set yet regarding his return.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 18, 2017, 04:04:09 pm »
I know that Mark's going to sit on whatever inside info he has, but, since I know that some source internal to Elmhurst has the Bluejays already expecting to see Connor Raridon suit up against them in Faganel Hall on Saturday, the question is whether or not Wheaton needs to concern itself with a possible uni-clad Connor Raridon sighting in King Arena tonight.

And have it I do. But you're right. That tidbit of information will remain a lump in the man cave recliner. We'll just be content to let the gentlemen from Wheaton and Elmhurst exercise their free rights to think whatever they want. It's like playing poker. Sometimes you start out with a real crappy looking hand, but then you draw an ace that changes the outlook considerably. Of course sometimes what looks bad initially stays that way. 🤔 😎

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 18, 2017, 12:04:30 am »
Gordon,

Right you are. Great stuff. Top shelf. 👍

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 17, 2017, 05:44:46 pm »
I'd say that Kern is about average size for a CCIW off guard.

Me too.
And it may just be me, but I don't think "about average" means BIG. 😏 😉 😁

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 17, 2017, 03:09:41 am »
1. Let's see. It certainly appears that I said "Not big, and not the fastest guy either................"
I did not say "small, and not................"

And, unless I'm mistaken, you said "..........is a decent size for a D3 guard."

* Isn't "decent size" pretty much the same as "not big"? It's certainly a lot closer than ".......is big for a D3 guard."

2. It also looks like I said "not the fastest guy either."

And, I'm quite sure you said "I wouldn't characterize him as slow, either. His quickness is is at least average........."

* By not characterizing him as slow, does that mean you think he's fast? I think not. And, if not, then it appears you agree he's not the fastest.

* And, if his quickness is at least average, it seems that, by definition, that means he's not the fastest;)

Did being up late make someone a little crabby? Maybe it's just a Chicago rule that a city guy has to take some degree of dissension with anything a suburban guy says.  :o  ::)  :)


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General football / Re: Shirts, and stickers and decals oh my!
« on: January 17, 2017, 12:36:47 am »
Rhodes College (TN) sticker in the back window of a car in the parking lot at Fox Valley Shopping Center in Aurora, IL.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 17, 2017, 12:08:17 am »
Counting Wednesday's game at Millikin, NPU will have played six games in fourteen days.  That seems a little high.  I hope there isn't a letdown in Decatur after traveling to Manchester today!

If NPU had a deeper bench...I see that Jarvis Cannon's name has been scrubbed from NPU's website.  He was a senior transfer who lasted one semester.  Ray Rubio (Brother Rice) transferred from Loras and is not on the team as a junior.  Matt McNamara (Willowbrook) hustled for three years, but never improved.  Armahn Mooring transferred from CCC, failed to impress, and is now playing at some USCAA school called Laurel-Highlands.  All four would have been upperclassmen this year.

Congrats, Mr. Henry!

Many teams lose personnel for a variety of reasons, and many either don't have a lot of quality depth to begin with, or lose it due to the personnel defections.

NPU is lucky that none of their top three or four, and especially their top two, either left the team or sustained a season ending injury. Because in basketball one excellent player can more easily contribute a higher proportionate value than is possible in most, if not all, other team sports, I sense NPU wouldn't be much better if the guys markericksen mentioned were still on the team. As long as you have stars like Robinson & Henry, you are most often going to be pretty good even without much extra help. And in NPU's recent game at NCC, Colin Lake was the best Viking player on the court.

I think that when NP loses, rather than due to limited quality depth, the reason is most often going to be that either Robinson or Lake was held down pretty well or the other team had a skilled big man that took advantage of the rather large hole the Parkers have in the middle on both ends of the floor.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 16, 2017, 11:13:51 pm »
  But EC got points from an unlikely source: Brian Kern, a freshman from Hinsdale South who was a mainstay of the Elmhurst JV lineup in Thursday night's junior varsity contest between the 'jays and Vikings in the crackerbox, and who had scored only six points in three previous varsity appearances. He led the 'jays with 21 points, garnered not only from behind the arc but also from driving hard to the basket against half-hearted defensive effort and from getting out in transition. He's a real energy guy, too -- I could see on Thursday night that his teammates fed off of him, and it was true in last night's varsity game as well. He could be a player with whom to be reckoned over the next three years in the CCIW.


I saw Brian Kern play several times at Hinsdale South over the last 2 years.  He was always an impressive shooter and better than average scorer but somewhat overshadowed by 6'10" Barrett Benson (Freshman/Northwestern ).  He's a little undersized but wouldn't surprise me if he became a regular player for the 'Jays.

As did I, GoPerry, and I agree completely. An impressive shooter. Not big, and not the fastest guy either, but makes up for it with a high level of court awareness.
I was somewhat surprised that it took John Baines this long to give Kern extended PT.

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