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AO,

As always, it's not the NCAA as an organization that is doing this. It's Division III members who propose these rules and vote on them. The NCAA as an organization is who does the enforcement.

When I looked at the article and saw "NCAA Division III legislation............" I interpretated it as something put forth by the the NCAA. It seems strange that some of the powers that be in D3 would propose competition limits on themselves. Is this a cost cutting move? Is that why they are trying to do this? Not sure about anyone else but I find this confusing.
Does D3Sports have an official position on this proposal?

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The NCAA purports to promote the interests of student-athletes, but so often has its head so far up its ass that it looses track of the reason for its existence. This is the same hippo critical organization that allows countless excesses at the D1 level, but now attempts to limit the positive athletic experience of players who largely play for the love of the game as opposed to playing for the opportunity to make obscene sums of money.
Why in the world would the NCAA attempt to limit the number of games played by kids who, after graduating from college, have little chance of ever playing organized, wide-spread competitive sports again in their lives. Add in the fact that D3 kids don't get a free ride on any level. Not only do they still have to pay thousands of dollars to play, they also have maintain eligibility while not being able to take classes in subjects like basket weaving or multiple "independent study" classes.
Through the NCAA's malfeasance gross excesses exist in the upper echelon of college athletics. Their thought that the current allowable number of games at the D3 level is excessive is laughable.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 25, 2015, 07:02:37 pm »
North Park 92
North Central 68

Juwan Henry: 28 pts (10-14 FG), 7 rebs, 6:3 a:to, 3 stls
Jordan Robinson: 20 pts (7-11 FG), 5 rebs
Colin Lake: 17 pts (5-8 FG)
T.J. Cobbs: 10 pts, 5 rebs
Michael Hutchinson: 5 rebs, 4:1 a:to

Charlie Rosenberg: 18 pts, 4:2 a:to
Jack Burchett: 15 pts, 17 rebs
Jayme Moten: 4:0 a:to

The description of iwu70 of this game as a "thrashing" is pretty apt. The inevitable question people are going to ask is, "Was this outcome the result of North Central playing really poorly, or of North Park playing exceptionally well?" The answer is that NCC didn't play anywhere close to par in terms of what the Cardinals are capable of doing -- I've seen several Cards games online, and I know what they can do when they're on their game -- but NPU was simply magnificent. Just ask AndOne; after the game he told me, "North Park would've beaten any team in the league tonight," and he was absolutely right.

NPU would have indeed beaten ANY team in the conference last night. Count on it. It didn't matter that NCC wasn't on its game, NPU's speed and execution would have outpaced any opposition that could have been offered. Another night in the you-never- know-what-you're-gonna-get-tonight CCIW. It will be interesting to see if NPU can maintain and duplicate their accomplishment of last evening in the 2nd half of the conference schedule.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 25, 2015, 06:28:39 pm »
Yep.   NPU 92 NCC 68.  NCC looked very slow up and down the court tonite, which led to many easy buckets for NPU.  D2 transfer and NCC scoring leader, Jayme Moten, was a non-factor.  NPU's win was truly a bench-clearing team win.  NPU led 2-0 and then the entire game.  NPU had a very good night from behind the arc, but that alone is not what separated this game.   

Yep. NPU had lots of speed up and down the court. NCC, not so much.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 23, 2015, 12:49:30 am »
Shooting a blistering 75% in the 2nd half, (64.2% for the game) the North Central Cardinals emerged from behind the Cheddar Curtain last night with an 87-82 victory over Carthage. The Cardinals had four players score in double figures, and got 31 points from its bench in a game in which they never trailed.
Staving off a determined effort by the hosts, including a brilliant 28 point, 10 assist performance from Carthage PG Donte Logan, NCC was led in scoring by Jayme Moten with 20 points. Moten's 20 were the result of a perfect 7 of 7 from the field, including 5 of 5 from beyond the arc. He was closely followed by Charlie Rosenberg who scored 19 despite his not being 100%. Jack Burchett and Kevin Honn not only each scored 16 points, but both registered a double-double with 11 and 10 rebounds respectively. Big Jack Burchett also dished out a team high 5 assists to top off his evening. Evan Fendley and Brandon White both contributed 6 points off the bench.

In his post game comments Carthage Coach Bosko Djurickovic intoned "This is a difficult game to explain. I just watched it, and I still don't know if I can explain it." He added, "We have to do a better job. They shot 65 percent against all kinds of defense tonight. This was disappointing-I expected to win this game."

* In a move that Professor Sager would highly approve of, the Carthage radio play-by-play man approached me prior to the game to confirm the pronunciation of 4 or 5 of the Cardinals last names.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 22, 2015, 11:31:22 pm »
While not governed by any specific NCAA rules on the subject, schools do sometimes do follow certain policies with regard to the use of players in JV games. For instance, some schools refuse to use seniors in JV games. This is true even in cases where a specific player won't come close to the 25 game limit. This, no doubt, falls under the philosophy of using the JV program for developmental purposes.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 19, 2015, 12:30:11 am »
I'm not a big hoops chat board guy (tend to stay in my football comfort zone) - but damn I love whipping those Cardinals...regardless the sport. Great day to be a Jay!

All you need to look at to know the story of the NCC-EC game is the totals at the bottom of the free throw and rebound columns.

I know its a sin to bitch when you shoot 18 FTs and your opponents shoot 36. So, I'll just ask: 1) How often does one team shoot twice as many FTs as the other, and 2) What would you likely think (be honest) if the other team went to the line 2x as many times as your's did?

Answers to the above questions notwithstanding, Elmhurst certainly earned the victory Sat night. And on the boards is where the battle was primarily won as the men from Elmhurst out-rebounded those from NCC by an embarassing 48-33 margin. Will Nixon had a game high 9 boards.

NCC did have the game's brightest star in Jayme Moten who put on a dazzling display of long range bombing by pouring in 8 three pointers. However, with the exception of a very nice 10 point, 5 rebound effort off the bench by Brandon White, Jayme had little help. No other Cardinal reached double figures. The Bluejays also employed much crisper ball movement, and attacked the basket much more aggressively, thus accounting for a portion of the multitude of NCC infractions.

The Cardinals need to get healthy quickly. They also need more output from their other starters, and a stronger presence with increased production from their bench. A collective pissed off/I'm not gonna take it anymore attitude might help enable the Cards to get back on the victory trail. I think the potential is there.






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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 15, 2015, 11:14:35 pm »
WWIII looks set for 7:00 Wednesday evening when the 13-1 North Central Cardinals entertain the likewise 13-1 Augustana Vikings at "The Hangar" in beautiful downtown Naperville.

Augie was the Coaches Poll pick to capture the CCIW conference championship, while the Cardinals were picked to finish in a  4th place tie with Elmhurst.

With Wash U losing yesterday afternoon, the Cards will likely be welcoming the nation's new #1 team to town. Helmets and shoulder pads optional.  ;)

silence?

Yes, Hardwood. Silence is what I had in mind. But not for the reason your scarcastic inquiry obviously assumed.
Just FYI, my silence resulted from the fact that I spent the time during the game puking my guts out as a result of stomach flu. Not only was I not able to attend the game, I wasn't able to catch more than about 10 minutes of it on the computer as a result of being indisposed during the majority of the game. Aren't you glad you asked?  :-*

From what I did see, and what I've read, NCC fell far short of its usual defensive intensity, wasn't able to ever get its inside game on track, and let itself get outrebounded. Certainly not a championship effort. Still, I'm proud of what the Cardinals have achieved so far this season and feel they have both the resolve and talent to have a very successful year.
I hope that sufficiently answers your question.  :)

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 12, 2015, 05:03:55 pm »
I haven't figured out how to lift a sentence from a previous post for quoting.  I would have taken something from a recent AND ONE post.  I sensed that he has backed off of Bosko bashing and Nelson nit-picking but I see that he is back to bumming Berg with his comment about "chippyness" (moving screens and attempted tripping). Really?  Man, you're reaching... to stimulate peoples passion ( I presume).

Sorry to see Wheaton give up a lead at the end of a game at home twice in a row against a couple of top teams, IWU and NCC.  Interestingly it doesn't seem to be because of lack of "bigs" which I think many people suspected would be their problem this year.  They out rebounded the rugged (but not chippy) studs of NC, and were only two boards down against IWU.

They'll have to hit some big shots on the road to get back into the mix.  It would be good for interest in the Conference playoff race if they can do it.

bbfan44,

I think badgerwarhawk's advice is applicable. I don't believe there is a required number of posts before being allowed to use this feature. However, if you have a specific question regarding a previous post just let me know. In the meantime I'm wondering why you would again bring up previously truthfully reported subjects that have been thoroughly analyzed, hashed over, and "backed off of" as you term it? Your use of aberrant alliteration to do so is cute, but your attempt to initiate a little additional controversy is readily transparent. Talk about reaching.  :D

Yes, Wheaton played a very good game including outrebounding the "rugged studs" as you term the North Central players. And, if the name of the game was rebounding rather than basketball, the men from North DuPage would have won. However, I'm sure the Cardinal players appreciate your referring to them as "studs."  :)
If you were at the game perhaps you missed Berg often moving into NCC players when setting a screen and/or the extension of his foot into the path of Charlie Rosenberg at one particular point in the action. Just a little standard chippiness in a rough CCIW tussle.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 12, 2015, 12:32:45 am »
WWIII looks set for 7:00 Wednesday evening when the 13-1 North Central Cardinals entertain the likewise 13-1 Augustana Vikings at "The Hangar" in beautiful downtown Naperville.

Augie was the Coaches Poll pick to capture the CCIW conference championship, while the Cardinals were picked to finish in a  4th place tie with Elmhurst.

With Wash U losing yesterday afternoon, the Cards will likely be welcoming the nation's new #1 team to town. Helmets and shoulder pads optional.  ;)

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 12, 2015, 12:09:48 am »
Another tough one for the Thunder last night.  Bottom line is Moten and Henry hit the key shots when they needed to and Wheaton just didn't despite uncontested wide open looks for Pete Smith. Wheaton should have gotten a chance to tie or win in OT as NCC had a close shot clock violation, but didn't get the call.  Definitely not the reason for the loss- numerous chances to win including in regulation.

I never thought I'd see a Wheaton team play that much zone defense which they did for probably 25 out of 45 minutes.  I'm guessing this was an effort to keep guys out of foul trouble and stay a little fresher rather than anything to counter NCC.  The play of Berg and Joel Smith continues to be very encouraging and FR Murad Dillard gave some solid minutes. At 0-3, conference tourney doesn't look good but this team might be capable of stealing a road win.

With 22 points including 6 three pointers, Jayme Moten played a tremendous game throughout the course of the entire contest, and Erwin Henry hit the majority of his 12 points, particularly his 2 threes, at a couple of the most important junctures of the game. However, with all due respect, the bottom line in last night's contest was the fact that Wheaton had no answer for Charlie Rosenberg who set new career highs in both points, with 27, and rebounds, with 14. To cap his dominating performance, Charlie chipped in 4 steals. Should the Cardinals win conference, Rosenberg will almost certainly be the CCIW POY, and such will still be a strong possibility if NCC finishes as the runner-up.
Last night was the second consecutive game in which Charlie has established a career high high in points. Jack Burchett and Joe Kennnell scored 10 and 4 points respectively, with Burchett also having a game high 6 assists, and Kennell 5.

NCC held a 10 point lead with about eight minutes left in the first half, and let Wheaton whittle it to only 4 at intermission. Wheaton then was up by 7 with only 4:1remaining in regulation, but let the Cardinals come back to knot things up with slightly over a minute left, and to out score the hosts 11-6 in the OT period.

For Wheaton, Joel Smith is much more aggressive (19 shots!) than in years past, and Michael Berg has entered the next life as someone who no longer seems afraid to battle inside for both points and rebounds. Berg, who fouled out, has even added a degree of chippyness to his game with frequent moving screens, and a seeming penchant for extending his foot into the path of an opposing player.


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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 10, 2015, 12:56:20 am »
Any teams in D3 called the Rams? (some say goat!), . . . guess it's their year.

Farmingdale State

As far as I can ascertain, there are actually 5 D3 teams named Rams.
However, it's evidently NOT their year as none of them have a winning record.

* The top Rams record belongs to Suffolk Univ (MA) 6-6
* Framingham State (MA) 5-7
* North Central (MN) 3-6
* Farmingdale State (NY) 2-9
* And trailing the Rams field, Cornell College (IA) 2-10

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 09, 2015, 01:03:39 am »
Two side notes from the IWU/Wheaton game: 2) At halftime, a game was played by 4th and 5th grade boys from Wheaton and Glen Ellyn. The Wheaton team wore orange and navy and the Glen Ellyn team wore hunter green uniforms with TITANS in white lettering on the jersey. I told my wife this has to be an omen. Glen Ellyn won and I relaxed knowing IWU would play a great 2nd half, outscoring the Thunder 41-27.

THE TITAN CONNECTION

The Glen Ellyn Titans are a feeder program for the Glenbard West HS Hilltoppers in Wheaton's eastern neighbor, Glen Ellyn. One of the higher ups in the program is Dennis Lawson. IWU fans will be familiar with the name Lawson, as in Duncan Lawson, a former Green Team member who graduated about 3 years ago. Dennis, of course, is Dunc's dad. I wouldn't be surprised if Dennis Lawson didn't have something to do with setting up the 4th-5th grade halftime game. As far as the team from Glen Ellyn being named Titans, just follow the trail from coach, to coach's son, to the son's school nickname. The connection doesn't stop there. The colors of Duncan's old HS, the aforementioned Glenbard West that the Titan teams feed into, are also green and white.  ;)

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 08, 2015, 09:23:26 pm »
North Central 62
Millikin 46

* Charlie Rosenberg--26 points, 8 rebounds
* Jack Burchett--13 points, 6 rebounds
* Jayme Moten--12 points, 6 rebounds

* TJ Griffin--12 points (8 FTs)
* N. Biggs--10 points

This one went pretty much as expected and was basically over by halftime.
The game was highlighted by Charlie Rosenberg's 21 first half points during which he was virtually unstoppable.

The Cardinals played pretty good defense, but Millikin is a poor shooting team. For the game, they shot only 30.6%, including 0.00% (0 for 11) from behind the line.

A 16 point win despite an unacceptable 18 TOs, and a missing in action bench presence that contributed all of ONE scant point. 2 areas that the Cards really need to improve on.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 06, 2015, 11:57:34 am »
Benjy Taylor couldn't get it done at D3 NCC where he was 28-46 in 3 seasons. Now he's successful at D1 Hawaii. Slick!  8-)
Probably too many confining rules down here in D3.  ;)


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