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Great first half by IWU.
Great second half comeback by NCC.
Great last play resulting in a 2 pt win by IWU.

We hope you enjoyed the action even if you didn’t enjoy the final result.  :D
I enjoyed the result!  Q and 70 did, too!  For that matter, probably most the posters on this board did other than yourself.  ;D.   ::)

Posters or not, I sense few fans, other than those who like to dress in green, liked the result that well.

But, yes, enjoy it you should. After all, it was the first time you’ve been able to enjoy the result of a meeting with the Cardinals in almost three years:)

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AO, either you can't count or you are one of those shills.  Perhaps both.  You 'd better be careful, Greg will come for you!  Sorry to hear about Sorenson's flu.  He played a good game and is a great player, probably a All-CCIW first teamer.  That wasn't my point. My point was that O'Neil and Burdine did decently against him, good enough to keep him from really going off and having a monster game, which he has done in the past. And, giving the TITANS a chance to win, which, as you have pointed out, they did.  Your boys are 1-2 in CCIW and 'dems da facts.  O'Neal has overall played pretty well in conference play so far.  Let's hope he continues and improves too over the next stretch of games.  He's new to IWU and to CCIW intensity of play.  We're hoping Beasley stays at this wonderful level of rebounding and shooting going forward too. 

Your friendly IWU shill.  I wear the title with pride.  :) 

'70

70, help me please. I’m confused (again  ;))

1. O’Neill had 8 points and 4 rebounds. Burdine had 0 points and 1 rebound. That’s a total of 8 points and 5 rebounds. Conversely, Sorenson had 15 points and 14 rebounds—more than twice as many rebounds, and just one point short of twice as many points as the two Green players combined.
Exactly how can that be referred to as holding Sorenson down?

2. I better be careful or Greg will “come for me”?
I wasn’t aware I have anything Greg would want. But if such is the case, all he has to do is ask politely, and I be glad to provide whatever I can.  :D

3. What’s this business about being a shill? I certainly didn’t refer to you in that manner, and I don’t believe that label applies to me. I have simply always thought of you as a great (if sometimes over zealous  :)) IWU fan as I am confident I occupy the same position in conjunction with NCC.
Shill? Sorry, but not even close.  ::)


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With regard to the above discussion regarding “allowing” Aston Francis to go off for 45 points.........

Sometimes, letting a team’s star get almost whatever he wants, and shutting down everyone else, particularly the opponent’s #2 scorer, can prove to be a very effective game plan. 🏀

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The key is “so far.” Up until this year Beasley has been a poor 3 point shooter. This year has seen a marked improvement in his long distance marksmanship. The question is,  can he keep it up/sustain it throughout the year?

I suspect most of it comes down to confidence.  As I have watched from afar (online), it's always looked like to me like in past seasons Beasley has been timid on the offensive end.  It seemed like if he made his first couple of shots, he would keep shooting and maybe have a big game (I remember he had a big game vs Chicago last year, for example).  But if he missed early, he'd defer to others the rest of the game.  Or he'd shoot, but not really look like he was stepping into it confidently.  That was always frustrating to see because Beasley has always been a very good pure shooter

This year, as a senior, he looks like a different player.  He is looking for his shot, and just looks very confident on the floor.  He's become a guy opponents have to account for.

Yes, confidence. It’s a big deal. And, I believe a large part of the success he has enjoyed so far.
Observing from afar, it’s always been obvious Beasley is one of the more athletic players in the conference. This year, in addition to his physicality, he seems to be bringing an increased mental aspect of the game which manifests itself in an increased level of that important facet of the game, confidence.

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Brutal officiating on both sides again tonight as in Rock Island on Wed.

After the game I talked to a college coach, not employed by either NCC OR IWU. His analysis is that between the games he has seen so far this year across the CCIW, the NACC, and the IIAC, we might just as well do away with the refs, and go to call-your-own-fouls play. About as much chance of getting the same number of calls right as with the refs, and much more cost efficient!  ;)

Mostly tongue-in-cheek, but with a tinge of seriousness mixed in as well.  :o

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Great first half by IWU.
Great second half comeback by NCC.
Great last play resulting in a 2 pt win by IWU.

We hope you enjoyed the action even if you didn’t enjoy the final result.  :D

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As good as Sorensen is, I thought O'Neil and Burdine defensively did a pretty decent job on him. 

 ??? Sorenson ate those guys up. He had a 15 and 14 double-double, and he shot 6-8 from the field. He also dished out four assists to only two turnovers.


This, naturally, wasn’t broadcast before or during the game, but the fact is that Alex Sorenson played tonight with the flu. It forced him to miss a good chunk of practice this week. Despite this, he more than doubled both the combined points and rebounds of O’Neil & Burdine.

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One of my biggest takeaways from the Titans this season is the offensive improvement of Jaylen Beasley. Last season shot a mild .250 from three (11/44) and this season is up to .441 (15/32). Very impressive on the glass as well.

And he gets every rebound in the vicinity.  His ability to elevate to grab a rebound is impressive.

He has had a great senior season so far.

The key is “so far.” Up until this year Beasley has been a poor 3 point shooter. This year has seen a marked improvement in his long distance marksmanship. The question is,  can he keep it up/sustain it throughout the year?

As far as rebounding, Beasley has always been a superior rebounder to go along with his poor 3 point shooting. His great board work has cancelled out his poor shooting on anything beyond a few feet from the basket.
But he just plain has the hops. You could cut one of Jaylen Beasley’s legs off and he’d still be a great rebounder.

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Wow, great game.  IWU wins over NCC at NC 68-66.

Bonnett with the winning layup as time expires.

Tale of two halves, IWU winning the first 39-23, NC the second 43-29.

Came down to the last possession the last shot, and a missed FT by Sorenson.

IWU'70

Fixed it for you. If Sorenson makes the 2nd FT, NCC just loses by 1 instead of 2.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: December 08, 2017, 01:44:02 pm »
Augie - 79
NCC — 72

A seven point loss to the #4 team in the country. On the face of things, not bad. The problem however, and I know the Augie posters will disagree, is that North Central should have won this game. The W was right there for the taking. I mean make some frickin’ layups and shoot 75% from the line, and the bus ride home is a lot more lively.

Three times down the stretch, the Cardinals missed layups that they could usually make in their sleep. Finish those drives, and make 2 more FTs (to make the % 75), and board the bus to Happy Land rather than Sad Town. This is probably a bit of oversimplification, but master the fundamentals and subsequent maneuvers come a little easier.

NCC was led in scoring by Connor Raridon with 20. Mike Pollack had 12 (4 threes), and Erwin Henry 10. Alex Sorenson was the leading rebounder with 7. Augie’s scoring leader was Nolan Ebel with a very quiet 18 points. After the game I was amazed he had that many, but that’s often how good players operate. Chrishawn Orange had 16 (also AC’s top rebounder with 7), and Brett Benning had 15 including a couple of threes from the Iowa side of the Mississippi.

However, in my book, the Augie player who stood out the most, and seemed to provide the Vikings with their biggest spark, was A.J. Dollmeyer. He was 4/5 from the field, and 2/2 from the line with all of his points seemingly “big” ones, especially his halftime buzzer beater which sent the home team to the locker room with an 8 point lead. Dollmeyer, perhaps Augie’s #4 center was easily the most effective, easily surpassing the contributions of starter Micah Martin (2 absolutely stupid fouls within about 30 seconds), and fellow backups Donovan Ferguson, and Roman Youngblut, both of whom were basically invisible.

Officiating

An embarrassment to the CCIW. I see refs at many high school games who have it all over these guys. Many dismemberments, often in an open area of the court, took place before blind eyes, and many defenders whose only crime was being in the vicinity of the Carver Center were whistled for infractions. The way the game was called made it practically impossible to play any kind of interior defense. Breathe on your guy too hard and it’s a foul. Two centers on each team were disqualified, and a total of 28 fouls were called on the 7 centers who saw action. NCC’s starter Alex Sorenson saddled with 2 calls that were especially outrageous. Ridiculous.
And - Before you mistake my comments for a losing fan just bitching, please consider the fact that seated right behind myself and 2 other Cardinal fans were two younger senior gentlemen who are Augie fans who never miss a game, and from whose comments it is evident, know the game well. Both indicated that they have seen this officiating crew several times before, and that their work can almost always be classified as egregious. Several times during the game they both opined the call, either a call or no-call, was wrong even when it went in Augie’s favor.

The Statue

Each Augie game features a group of students, I believe mostly football players whose buffoonery aptly reflects the discipline embodied in their recent record, who stand near center court and “cheer” throughout the game. Last night there were, fortunately, only 5 of them. Rather than being original, insightful, or entertaining, a majority of their comments always seem to be over the top personal attacks on the opposition. The two adult fans I referred to above with regard to the officiating PLUS several other adult Augie fans said they feel these students are usually “disruptive” rather than adding anything positive to the proceedings.
However, the really crazy thing about the group is that there is almost always an adult standing right next to the first row of these students who just stands there throughout the game, but never utters a word. This guy, evidently deaf and dumb and undoubtedly a member of the Augustana administration, just stands there like a statue. He never tells the canines to sit down, shut up, or even bark or roll over. Just stands there, in Venus de Milo mode, silent with his arms folded across his chest in a manner rendering them difficult to be seen.

* Lastly, congrats to North Central’s Alex Sorenson who last night surpassed the 1,000 point mark (1,005 currently) in only his 62nd game in a Cardinal uniform.


Wow AndOne. Are you the one who tweeted out yesterday @NCCBasketball, and I quote "NCAA is on a mission to shutdown Sorensen. The guy can't play more than a few minutes every game. Most likely leads the country in offensive fouls.

ABSOLUTELY NOT, 4samuy. That was definitely NOT me.
I have NEVER tweeted anything. I am not even on Twitter and never have been.
I have no idea who @NCCBasketball is. I do know it’s NOT me.
And if I did tweet, I would never say anything like that anyway. But if I did, I’d spell SorensOn correctly!
Thank you, in advance, for your apology.  >:(

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: December 07, 2017, 10:22:00 pm »
Augie - 79
NCC — 72

A seven point loss to the #4 team in the country. On the face of things, not bad. The problem however, and I know the Augie posters will disagree, is that North Central should have won this game. The W was right there for the taking. I mean make some frickin’ layups and shoot 75% from the line, and the bus ride home is a lot more lively.

Three times down the stretch, the Cardinals missed layups that they could usually make in their sleep. Finish those drives, and make 2 more FTs (to make the % 75), and board the bus to Happy Land rather than Sad Town. This is probably a bit of oversimplification, but master the fundamentals and subsequent maneuvers come a little easier.

NCC was led in scoring by Connor Raridon with 20. Mike Pollack had 12 (4 threes), and Erwin Henry 10. Alex Sorenson was the leading rebounder with 7. Augie’s scoring leader was Nolan Ebel with a very quiet 18 points. After the game I was amazed he had that many, but that’s often how good players operate. Chrishawn Orange had 16 (also AC’s top rebounder with 7), and Brett Benning had 15 including a couple of threes from the Iowa side of the Mississippi.

However, in my book, the Augie player who stood out the most, and seemed to provide the Vikings with their biggest spark, was A.J. Dollmeyer. He was 4/5 from the field, and 2/2 from the line with all of his points seemingly “big” ones, especially his halftime buzzer beater which sent the home team to the locker room with an 8 point lead. Dollmeyer, perhaps Augie’s #4 center was easily the most effective, easily surpassing the contributions of starter Micah Martin (2 absolutely stupid fouls within about 30 seconds), and fellow backups Donovan Ferguson, and Roman Youngblut, both of whom were basically invisible.

Officiating

An embarrassment to the CCIW. I see refs at many high school games who have it all over these guys. Many dismemberments, often in an open area of the court, took place before blind eyes, and many defenders whose only crime was being in the vicinity of the Carver Center were whistled for infractions. The way the game was called made it practically impossible to play any kind of interior defense. Breathe on your guy too hard and it’s a foul. Two centers on each team were disqualified, and a total of 28 fouls were called on the 7 centers who saw action. NCC’s starter Alex Sorenson saddled with 2 calls that were especially outrageous. Ridiculous.
And - Before you mistake my comments for a losing fan just bitching, please consider the fact that seated right behind myself and 2 other Cardinal fans were two younger senior gentlemen who are Augie fans who never miss a game, and from whose comments it is evident, know the game well. Both indicated that they have seen this officiating crew several times before, and that their work can almost always be classified as egregious. Several times during the game they both opined the call, either a call or no-call, was wrong even when it went in Augie’s favor.

The officiating crew was Dotson, Kasirsky, and Gerlach.  Dotson has worked the Division III National Championship game along with some additional deep tournament runs in the past five years.  I don't recall ever seeing the other two work a game at Augustana and certainly not as a crew.  With that being said, it is surprising that the conference wouldn't put a veteran crew on this game. 

The Statue

Each Augie game features a group of students, I believe mostly football players whose buffoonery aptly reflects the discipline embodied in their recent record, who stand near center court and “cheer” throughout the game. Last night there were, fortunately, only 5 of them. Rather than being original, insightful, or entertaining, a majority of their comments always seem to be over the top personal attacks on the opposition. The two adult fans I referred to above with regard to the officiating PLUS several other adult Augie fans said they feel these students are usually “disruptive” rather than adding anything positive to the proceedings.
However, the really crazy thing about the group is that there is almost always an adult standing right next to the first row of these students who just stands there throughout the game, but never utters a word. This guy, evidently deaf and dumb and undoubtedly a member of the Augustana administration, just stands there like a statue. He never tells the canines to sit down, shut up, or even bark or roll over. Just stands there, in Venus de Milo mode, silent with his arms folded across his chest in a manner rendering them difficult to be seen.

Now you sound like a losing fan just bitching.

* Lastly, congrats to North Central’s Alex Sorenson who last night surpassed the 1,000 point mark (1,005 currently) in only his 62nd game in a Cardinal uniform.

Hightops,

Due to where its placed, I’m not sure if your comment is in response to my entire post or just the Statue section. If it has to do with the entire post you’re demonstrating your lack of reading comprehension. Again, it wasn’t just NCC fans who both felt the officiating was substandard, and the student “fans” and the guy standing there doing nothing detracted from the game experience.
If you’re complaining about the Statue portion, perhaps you are either one of the buffoons doing the yelling, or maybe you’re the Statue personified.  ;)

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: December 07, 2017, 04:56:58 pm »
Augie - 79
NCC — 72

A seven point loss to the #4 team in the country. On the face of things, not bad. The problem however, and I know the Augie posters will disagree, is that North Central should have won this game. The W was right there for the taking. I mean make some frickin’ layups and shoot 75% from the line, and the bus ride home is a lot more lively.

Three times down the stretch, the Cardinals missed layups that they could usually make in their sleep. Finish those drives, and make 2 more FTs (to make the % 75), and board the bus to Happy Land rather than Sad Town. This is probably a bit of oversimplification, but master the fundamentals and subsequent maneuvers come a little easier.

NCC was led in scoring by Connor Raridon with 20. Mike Pollack had 12 (4 threes), and Erwin Henry 10. Alex Sorenson was the leading rebounder with 7. Augie’s scoring leader was Nolan Ebel with a very quiet 18 points. After the game I was amazed he had that many, but that’s often how good players operate. Chrishawn Orange had 16 (also AC’s top rebounder with 7), and Brett Benning had 15 including a couple of threes from the Iowa side of the Mississippi.

However, in my book, the Augie player who stood out the most, and seemed to provide the Vikings with their biggest spark, was A.J. Dollmeyer. He was 4/5 from the field, and 2/2 from the line with all of his points seemingly “big” ones, especially his halftime buzzer beater which sent the home team to the locker room with an 8 point lead. Dollmeyer, perhaps Augie’s #4 center was easily the most effective, easily surpassing the contributions of starter Micah Martin (2 absolutely stupid fouls within about 30 seconds), and fellow backups Donovan Ferguson, and Roman Youngblut, both of whom were basically invisible.

Officiating

An embarrassment to the CCIW. I see refs at many high school games who have it all over these guys. Many dismemberments, often in an open area of the court, took place before blind eyes, and many defenders whose only crime was being in the vicinity of the Carver Center were whistled for infractions. The way the game was called made it practically impossible to play any kind of interior defense. Breathe on your guy too hard and it’s a foul. Two centers on each team were disqualified, and a total of 28 fouls were called on the 7 centers who saw action. NCC’s starter Alex Sorenson saddled with 2 calls that were especially outrageous. Ridiculous.
And - Before you mistake my comments for a losing fan just bitching, please consider the fact that seated right behind myself and 2 other Cardinal fans were two younger senior gentlemen who are Augie fans who never miss a game, and from whose comments it is evident, know the game well. Both indicated that they have seen this officiating crew several times before, and that their work can almost always be classified as egregious. Several times during the game they both opined the call, either a call or no-call, was wrong even when it went in Augie’s favor.

The Statue

Each Augie game features a group of students, I believe mostly football players whose buffoonery aptly reflects the discipline embodied in their recent record, who stand near center court and “cheer” throughout the game. Last night there were, fortunately, only 5 of them. Rather than being original, insightful, or entertaining, a majority of their comments always seem to be over the top personal attacks on the opposition. The two adult fans I referred to above with regard to the officiating PLUS several other adult Augie fans said they feel these students are usually “disruptive” rather than adding anything positive to the proceedings.
However, the really crazy thing about the group is that there is almost always an adult standing right next to the first row of these students who just stands there throughout the game, but never utters a word. This guy, evidently deaf and dumb and undoubtedly a member of the Augustana administration, just stands there like a statue. He never tells the canines to sit down, shut up, or even bark or roll over. Just stands there, in Venus de Milo mode, silent with his arms folded across his chest in a manner rendering them difficult to be seen.

* Lastly, congrats to North Central’s Alex Sorenson who last night surpassed the 1,000 point mark (1,005 currently) in only his 62nd game in a Cardinal uniform.






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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: December 05, 2017, 01:39:03 pm »
I am not sure why but I am fascinated by the business of sports.

I am sure this has been mentioned before in the other forums, but the fact that the GLVC lost a member last year makes this an opportune time to make the move.

I was surprised when Maryville University (MO) left for Division II years ago (it seemed to make more sense for NAIA McKendree and Lindenwood), but Maryville has experienced tremendous growth over the past decade and they claim the move to Division II was key to their growth. 

That story is not new, but the Maryville story was a big one over the last year or two because their admissions yield have been above the norm.

Benedictine could add a few of those sports without the move, but they could also follow the lead of McKendree who added water polo, power lifting, bass fishing...

There IS a little pond right next to the BU gym. Just a few steps out the door for practice! 🎣 🎣 🎣

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: December 05, 2017, 01:32:10 pm »
Regarding a topic which, between the CCIW football and basketball boards, we have seen quite a bit of discussion about recently..............

Heard from a friend who is both a graduate of, and former athlete at, frequent CCIW opponent Benedictine, that the BU Board will soon meet to discuss/decide on moving forward with the process of formally moving from D3 to D2.
If BU decides to move, I wonder how long the process takes. Could force several CCIW teams to begin finding another non-conference opponent. Especially for teams like NCC who plays BU in basketball each year. Not looking forward to giving up that nice quick 2.9 mile trip up Chicago/Maple Ave.  :(

You could also have just read what I posted on the soccer boards ... or the NACC basketball board. LOL

Ya, but that would have been too easy! LOL.  :)

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: December 04, 2017, 06:44:56 pm »
Regarding a topic which, between the CCIW football and basketball boards, we have seen quite a bit of discussion about recently..............

Heard from a friend who is both a graduate of, and former athlete at, frequent CCIW opponent Benedictine, that the BU Board will soon meet to discuss/decide on moving forward with the process of formally moving from D3 to D2.
If BU decides to move, I wonder how long the process takes. Could force several CCIW teams to begin finding another non-conference opponent. Especially for teams like NCC who plays BU in basketball each year. Not looking forward to giving up that nice quick 2.9 mile trip up Chicago/Maple Ave.  :(

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