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Hearty congratulations to all players named All-CCIW, and to Aston Francis and Ricky Samuelson being named to the first and second teams respectively. And in a non-surprising development, Aston was named Most Outstanding player as essentially all of us except for AndOne expected.

Actually, Bob believed that it would be a co-MOP situation, with Francis sharing the award with Brady Rose.

Actually, duck, what happened was exactly what I expected would happen. I was just doing a little hopeful politicking for my boy Alex SCOREnson. I figured a guy who was going to be a unanimous first team all-conference choice should at least be in the conversation. 🏀

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Looking at the 2017-18 All-CCIW team, I think there are 13 players in the 1st Team discussion for 8 spots.  In the new all-conference configuration there are two teams of 8 players.

(Stats are from conference games only.)

(G) Nolan Ebel, 6-1 Jr (Augustana)  17.1 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 4.1 apg
(G) Aston Francis, 6-1 Jr (Wheaton)  30.9 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 3.9 apg
(G) Joel Heesch, 6-2 Sr (Carroll)  13.2 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 4.9 apg
(F) Elijah Henry, 6-7 Jr (Millikin)  17.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.2 apg
(F) Jeremy Ireland, 6-7 Jr (Elmhurst)  14.4 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 2.1 apg
(F) Brad Kruse, 6-4 Sr (Carthage)  15.2 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 2.6 apg
(G) Colin Lake, 5-7 Sr (North Park)  18.1 ppg, 3.1 ppg, 2.1 apg
(G) Chrishawn Orange, 6-2 Jr (Augustana)  15.5 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 2.6 apg
(F) Connor Raridon, 6-6 So (North Central)  12.1 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 7.0 apg
(G) Brady Rose, 6-3 Jr (Illinois Wesleyan)  23.1 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 3.4 apg
(G) Ricky Samuelson, 6-3 Sr (Wheaton)   14.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg
(F) Alex Sorenson, 6-8 Sr (North Central)  17.7 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.8 apg
(G) Jordan Thomas, 5-11 Jr (Carthage)  17.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.7 apg


I did not include the following 2 players above due to a number of missed conference games:

(F) Kienan Baltimore, 6-5 So (Carthage)  17.9 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.2 apg - will play in 12 of 16 games
(G) Erwin Henry, 6-2 Sr (North Central)  15.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.4 apg - will play in 10 of 16 games


So the question is, who are your 8?

Have had little, if any, discussion about this, but I believe the CCIW All-Conference teams will be announced today.

My choices for 1st team are bolded above.
I would put all of the other players not bolded on the 2nd team.
Other good candidates for 2nd team (in no particular order) are Eichelberger, Fisher, Rhode, Sortello, Benning, and OíNeill. Iím probably leaving someone out.

* In terms of basketball ability, I think itís important to note that there is absolutely no doubt that both Erwin Henry of NCC and Kienan Baltimore of CC are all-confidence caliber players. I doubt they will be named due to their misfortune of being injured.

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Tonight's win goes into NEXT week's regional rankings, not tomorrow's. I would think NCC would have to win at least one game this weekend. If they beat IWU again on Friday, then I would think they may leapfrog IWU based on two wins over them in a week. IWU, in turn, would have an 0-2 week. If they go 1-1, lose to IWU this weekend, it's hard to put them in the regional rankings...depending on River Falls' results.

I believe tonight's results count in the regional rankings that come out tomorrow.

There are no regional rankings next week -- just the ones released tomorrow, then the final (Selection Sunday) which are not made public.

They're through Sunday's games. These regional committees have already met and the national committee won't backtrack and add more games.

I personally am hoping Wheaton stays in this week's rankings, as it would give North Central two extra wins versus RRO versus if they don't.  (You get credit for wins over teams ranked in tomorrow's or Sunday's regional rankings if I understand correctly.)

Neither team likely has more than a tiny sliver of Pool C hopes at this point, but in the remote chance that one gets to the table, North Central could block Wheaton if these additional RROs and the two H2H wins push the Cardinals higher in the regional rankings.

Of course, my preference is for the Cardinals to win twice on the banks of the Muddy Mississippi this weekend and get into the tourney through the front door.

After much thought 🤔, and deep analysis 👨🏼‍💻, here is my take on how the Regional Rankings will shake out. 🏀

1. Wash U
2. Platteville
3. Augie
4. Oshkosh
5. IWU
6. Stevens Point
7. North Central
8. Wheaton

Results following Saturday would suggest that NCC, 2-0 vs. Wheaton, and River Falls losing, moves NCC into the 7th spot. Weíll see.  🤷🏻‍♂️ 🤓

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 18, 2018, 04:27:22 pm »
OK. So Francis is more than one dimensional. Maybe it just seems so because you see him shoot so many times a game, it overshadows everything else he might do.
So who is the MOP, Francis or Rose? 

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 18, 2018, 04:14:14 pm »
And thatís the thing, Bob. Iím not talking just about easily available social media stuff.
Last night the comments involved girlfriends, family members, peoples physical features etc. There is no way many of the comments didnít cross the line in the same manner as the examples in your post.

And, unfortunately, I am sure I would have done the same in the front row of Fred Young Fieldhouse had I had access to the information. I actually brought a word processor to campus in August of 1989...so safe to say, no internet/social media.  Had I known who Marc Horner's girlfriend was, I would have definitely seen if that info leveraged during the right moment made him miss a FT.

I don't think the Wheaton kids are trying to cross the line or hurt anyone, but it is up to administrators to draw a line somewhere reasonable...and force them to self-police and be accountable.

And again, if you play basketball in the CCIW and tweet out that you like the Backstreet Boys, opposing students are going to sing "I Want it that Way" when you get the ball.  Watch your social media!

🤔 Then the responsible Wheaton administrators arenít doing a very good job in this regard.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 18, 2018, 03:38:22 pm »
I love everything about the Wheaton cheat sheet.

90-95% of the cheat sheet was based on what the individual player posted on publicly social media or by the team on the team roster.  5-10% was silly speculation

The fans were obviously in the head of Aiden Chang, but he had a great night and used the taunting to his advantage.  It did not work tonight, but it may worked on another night.

Long live the fan groups.

That's the thing -- almost all of the information used was easily found on social media. 

I will say this - I think the Wheaton students cross the line when they start bringing up girlfriends and that sort of thing.  I remember last year at Wheaton they kept saying things about Trevor Seibring's girlfriend.  Well, she was sitting right there.  As were her parents...and brother.  I don't think it's fair for a fan to come to a game and be put in a really uncomfortable/borderline hostile position.  I would hope the Wheaton students (and students at all CCIW schools for that matter) re-think what is right/decent on that front.

If you want to chant "Daddy's Boy" at Brady Rose and Connor Raridon for 40 minutes, more power to you.

And thatís the thing, Bob. Iím not talking just about easily available social media stuff.
Last night the comments involved girlfriends, family members, peoples physical features etc. There is no way many of the comments didnít cross the line in the same manner as the examples in your post.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 18, 2018, 03:25:13 pm »
Wheaton student section "taunting profiles" for last night's game vs NCC...

https://twitter.com/AlexSCOREnson/status/965077257558675456

Wow.  Not exactly something to make the Wheaton community proud.  Organized taunting using family members names and other personal information?  How about cheering on your team in a positive manner?  Oh, I almost forgot.........



* Rykenís Rowdies - Does the President of Christ centered Wheaton College really condone the actions of this group of buffoons? A better name for the group would be the Goon Squad. And the President lends his name to this crap?

* Bottom left corner of the ďScouting Report.Ē Itís North Central so ANYTHING goes. Really? ANYTHING GOES?  ???

* Making fun, or trying to, of guys names, talking about ex-girlfriends, mentioning players parents and sisters names? Iím sure this has something to do with a basketball game, I just canít figure out what that is.

* Screaming (the obvious) ďdaddyís boyĒ at Connor, yelling ďI see your bald spotĒ at the coach, and signs like ďAiden Chang combs his eyebrows.Ē You need to come at us with more than that very weak sót boys. By the way, the guy who combs his eyebrows just hung 20 on your asses.  ;)

* As far as your frequent chants of ďNorth Central sucks,Ē check the box score boys. I think youíll see the (not very loud) Thunder
got a 17 point beatdown. Who sucks now? Seems like the only ones doing the sucking today are dressed in orange.  ;D

And if this was the NCC football teams cheat sheet no one would be saying a word. This is a non issue in my view. I have heard stuff from other teams fans, NCC included, that make this sheet look like a hymnal. I donít get the issue.

Agree USee, seen and heard much worse over the years.  And who are you talking smack to, AO?  Doubt that any of the students involved are posting on this board and I don't think that Usee, duckfan, etc had anything to do with putting together that sheet.  ???

I didnít even hint at suggesting USee or duckfan were associated in any way. Where are you getting that?

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 18, 2018, 02:52:22 pm »
USee,

If the Wheaton ďScouting ReportĒ is a hymnal, they are using some pretty strange hymnals over there at Wheaton College.
And, as far as a NCC football team cheat sheet, is there any evidence of the existence of one? Can we see a copy please?

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 18, 2018, 02:13:44 pm »
I suspect that Francis is still a heavy favorite for MOP

I think pretty good chance it is a co-MOP.

I donít think the contest should be that tight. Francis is a great scorer, but often times it seems the more he shoots the less chance his team has of winning because other capable players with better open looks never get the pass that enables them to take that open shot. He had made 79 three pointers in conference, but there are 14 players who shoot a better 3 point percentage than Francis including a guy on his own team that, at least before last nightís game, was leading the nation in 3 point percentage. Plus, his head coach has publicly called him out on radio interview shows for playing matador defense and basically waiving as his man goes by him on the way to the basket.
Nope, Alex Sorenson should be the MOP.

Shocker... If not Francis, Brady Rose is the MOP.

Hard to imagine that any player in the country gets the kind of attention Francis does from opposing teams. Averaging over 30 PPG in conference. All three (Francis, Rose, Sorenson) are stars, but Francis sort of stands out from the pack in my eyes.

Francis should stand out. Heís a fantastic talent. Iíve never seen anyone at the D3 level who can so seemingly effortlessly make shots from as far away as he does. He is a standout performer. However, as spectacular as he often is, heís also pretty one-dimensional. Rose and Sorenson are both more complete players. Rose is the preeminent back court player in the conference, and Sorenson is itís dominant big.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 18, 2018, 02:00:09 pm »
Wheaton student section "taunting profiles" for last night's game vs NCC...

https://twitter.com/AlexSCOREnson/status/965077257558675456

Wow.  Not exactly something to make the Wheaton community proud.  Organized taunting using family members names and other personal information?  How about cheering on your team in a positive manner?  Oh, I almost forgot.........

* Rykenís Rowdies - Does the President of Christ centered Wheaton College really condone the actions of this group of buffoons? A better name for the group would be the Goon Squad. And the President lends his name to this crap?

* Bottom left corner of the ďScouting Report.Ē Itís North Central so ANYTHING goes. Really? ANYTHING GOES?  ???

* Making fun, or trying to, of guys names, talking about ex-girlfriends, mentioning players parents and sisters names? Iím sure this has something to do with a basketball game, I just canít figure out what that is.

* Screaming (the obvious) ďdaddyís boyĒ at Connor, yelling ďI see your bald spotĒ at the coach, and signs like ďAiden Chang combs his eyebrows.Ē You need to come at us with more than that very weak sót boys. By the way, the guy who combs his eyebrows just hung 20 on your asses.  ;)

* As far as your frequent chants of ďNorth Central sucks,Ē check the box score boys. I think youíll see the (not very loud) Thunder
got a 17 point beatdown. Who sucks now? Seems like the only ones doing the sucking today are dressed in orange.  ;D

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 18, 2018, 01:08:53 pm »
I suspect that Francis is still a heavy favorite for MOP

I think pretty good chance it is a co-MOP.

I donít think the contest should be that tight. Francis is a great scorer, but often times it seems the more he shoots the less chance his team has of winning because other capable players with better open looks never get the pass that enables them to take that open shot. He had made 79 three pointers in conference, but there are 14 players who shoot a better 3 point percentage than Francis including a guy on his own team that, at least before last nightís game, was leading the nation in 3 point percentage. Plus, his head coach has publicly called him out on radio interview shows for playing matador defense and basically waiving as his man goes by him on the way to the basket.
Nope, Alex Sorenson should be the MOP.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 17, 2018, 12:42:36 pm »
That was back in the days of 3 teams of 5 players for AC.
Under the current system of 2 teams of 8, no doubt heíd be 1st team.
And, even under the old system, there were probably several years where he would have been one of the top 5. Freshman year likely just a matter of timing, entering in a loaded year.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 17, 2018, 11:29:22 am »
* And, if there is any question of his not being included in the inaugural class, for any reason, keep in mind that he was inducted into the Small College Basketball Hall Of Fame as part of itís second class.  ;)

Wouldn't the better argument using the Small College Basketball Hall of Fame sorta be that Jack Sikma is the only CCIW player in it?

Class 1 (2016): https://www.smallcollegebasketball.com/copy-of-phil-jackson-1
Class 2 (2017): https://www.smallcollegebasketball.com/copy-of-2016-scb-hall-of-famers-1

I don't see your guy Landon Gamble there in that inaugural list with Dr. James Naismith and Bevo Francis.



* My thinking was Sikma would be at the top of the list of my 2nd class.

I have been part of many difficult debates here on CCIW Chat over the last 20 years.

Debating whether Jack Sikma should be part of a 1st Team CCIW player Hall of Fame vs a 2nd Team is not one of those difficult debates.

Look, my intention was not to start WWIII. The question was if there was a CCIW Menís Basketball HOF, should it be coaches, a mixture of coaches and players, or just coaches. Greg Sager put forth the idea of an excellent list of coaches. Fine. I just thought IF it was players instead, a good choice might be players who distinguished themselves by being named All Conference all four years. After all, it IS a rather exclusive and distinguished list. You canít argue that those seven players would deserve inclusion. However, that particular ďbestĒ list didnít include any IWU players so some sort of a stink had to be raised.  ::)
Of course, there is no question that an All Pro should be included! So, instead of having him wait one whole year before inclusion, if you want Jack Sikma included in the inaugural class, heís got my vote. Heís in! ;D

It was just an idea. The common denominator I chose was 1st team All Conference all 4 years. Lots of different lists/variables could be used. This was just the one I happened to choose as I thought the distinction was a worthy one as far as a HOF.

By the way, ďmy guy,Ē Landon Gamble was a pretty fair player. You know, All Conference 4 years, All Region, All American. Someone that was a handful even for the boys in green. 
You might even say he was a significant player.  ;)

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 16, 2018, 11:27:36 pm »

How about..........
IF Men's basketball only,...........
Rather than coaches, players. With an inaugural glass of seven (instead of five)

Those being the only seven players in CCIW history that made first team All-Conference all four years:)

1. Bud Schaeffer - Wheaton, 1947-1950
2. Bill Warden - North Central, 1952-1955
3. Jesse Price - Millikin, 1966-1969
4. Jason Wiertel - Carthage, 1999-2002
5. Rob Garnes - Carthage, 2000-2003
6. Steve Djurickovic - Carthage, 2008-2011
7. Landon Gamble - North Central, 2011-2014

Pretty sure a guy who was taken 8th overall in the NBA draft after his last CCIW season should be in?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1977.html

Jack Sikma would deserve recognition as much as anyone. The only reason I left him off of what would be my inaugural list was that he didnít have the unique distinction of being first team all-conference in the CCIW for four years. Not knowing his CCIW history, itís still pretty difficult to comprehend how an All Pro couldnít have been all-conference each year in college.

* My thinking was Sikma would be at the top of the list of my 2nd class.

* And, if there is any question of his not being included in the inaugural class, for any reason, keep in mind that he was inducted into the Small College Basketball Hall Of Fame as part of itís second class.  ;)

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 16, 2018, 11:04:08 pm »
I think a conference HOF is a great idea.  And it leads me to a two-part question.  Whenever something like this is started, there is some prestige to being selected as part of the inaugural class.  (Not that I know this from personal experience, of course...)

So: across all sports, who are your five inaugural class members?  And, if you limit it to men's basketball, who would your five be?



Good questions.


Men's basketball only? This would be my inaugural five:

Jim Borcherding (Augustana head coach)
Dennis Bridges (Illinois Wesleyan head coach)
Dan McCarrell (North Park head coach)
Lee Pfund (Wheaton head coach)
Bill Warden (North Central player and head coach)

Bosko Djurickovic goes in on the first ballot for which he is eligible for induction after he retires, regardless of whether we're talking CCIW HOF as a whole or just a CCIW MBBHOF. If Grey Giovanine isn't a first-ballot inductee as well, he'll be a second-ballot inductee.

How about..........
IF Men's basketball only,...........
Rather than coaches, players. With an inaugural glass of six (instead of five)

Those being the only six players in CCIW history that made first team All-Conference all four years:)

1. Bud Schaeffer - Wheaton, 1947-1950
2. Bill Warden - North Central, 1952-1955
3. Jesse Price - Millikin, 1966-1969
4. Rob Garnes - Carthage, 2000-2003
5. Steve Djurickovic - Carthage, 2008-2011
6. Landon Gamble - North Central, 2011-2014

Mark,  Carthage has been fortunate to have three players that were four time first teamsters...Jason Wiertel was the other.   Going to be hard to leave Jack Sikma off the list as well.

Yes sir. Missed that one in trying to quickly scan through 11 pages. Will add above.

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