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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: March 01, 2015, 09:30:18 pm »
Off the top of your head, who would jump NCC? Not Concordia.  Not NACC #1 seed Aurora who lost to Concordia. No MWC team. Not Oshkosh. Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone.

And also lost to North Central.  ;)

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 28, 2015, 10:39:43 pm »
Don't know how anyone else feels, but to me, at least, with the highly skillful teams IWU has fielded over the last several years, it is simply amazing that they have not won a conference tournament title.  ???

What has happened to Ryan Coyle this season? He began the year as a starter. He had a scoring average of 12.2 at the end of November. Gradually, his minutes and performance both declined to the point where tonight, in the tourney championship game, he played a total of 7 minutes off the bench, during which, he did not score a single point.

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 28, 2015, 10:26:06 pm »
Did Jordan nelson dress tonight? If so, he didn't play. The IWU guard subs were Pennington, Rose, and Nelms. Pennington, who didn't play much at all during his first 2 years, and Rose, a freshman, were on the floor at the end of tonight's game as opposed to the former D1 player. Something terribly amiss with that picture.

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 28, 2015, 10:16:26 pm »

If there was one player who really stood out in this game, to me it was Jawon Straughter. I said the other day that I didn't think he was All-CCIW material, and, in terms of the regular season, I stick with that assessment. But he followed up a good game yesterday with an even better game today. He had a number of successful slashes to the basket in the second half that really seemed to stem potential IWU runs. In fact, he seemed to be the one guy on the floor for either team who was money when he got to the rim.

Agree on Straughter.  He played very well tonight.


Make that 3.
I, too, opined that Straughter did not belong on the all-conference team. Based on his regular season performance, I also stick with my original assessment. However, credit is due him for 2 very nice games in the conference tourney.

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 28, 2015, 09:08:36 pm »
There may be more to the Jordan Nelson story than Coach Rose just playing the best five guys and subs with Nelson out of the mix, but none of us know for sure. If that is the reality, then I will be surprised, if he is not on the court and a contributor in tonight's game.

My investigator's instinct tells me there is indeed more to this story than meets the eye. Additionally, I suspect there have been problems over the course of the season as opposed to solely the recent troubles which have been exposed. Remember, early in the season, Nelson was inexplicably suddenly withheld from a game. I believe TQ reported that the reason was to enable Nelson "to get his head on straight," or something very similar. It appears the goal may not have been achieved in this case. Perhaps more details will be revealed after tonight's game.

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 28, 2015, 04:49:08 pm »
Good Titan win tonight.  And One looks tense in pre-game.

As both a fan and a friend of the players, I always have nervous energy before a game, especially a big one. I had it as a player, I have if as a fan. It lasts throughout the game. Nothing I can do about that.
The only big game that NCC played recently at all that I wasn't nervous about was the 2013 quarterfinal game against Middlebury in Salem. I had studied the opposition, and had told Mitch Raridon beginning several days before the game that I was confident we were going to win.  ;)

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 28, 2015, 04:39:51 pm »
My apologies to all of the North Central fans for my previous post..............especially AndOne.

Just looking at this scenario through my "Bluejay" glasses.

No need to apologize Naperick. You gotta pull for the scenario that most helps your team. I would expect nothing less. I would look at it in the same manner.

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 28, 2015, 02:18:28 pm »
kiko....I think there were several games this year that both  Burchett and Rosenberg were missing in action due to being hampered by ref's who didn't appreciate their strong style of play.  It's a pity, but it happened.  Didn't see tonights game, so can't comment on it.

ypsi....It was a surprise that Moten was not selected to the all CCIW team.

Perhaps the folks doing the voting need to spend a bit more time reflecting on the method of selection they employ.
And, wouldn't it  be nice if the fans could vote for the all Conference team much like fans vote for NBA and MLB All Star teams !
I can't find the guideline but I recall a 75% guideline for post season conference honors, i.e. ! must play in 75% of conference games.  Could it be with games missed Moten fell just short?  And, bear in mind each coach submits the names of his players for consideration of post season honors.

Jayme Moten played in 11 of 14 conference games. Thats 78.6% so he exceeds the 75% guideline if that even exists for consideration for all-conference honors. For the conference only portion of the season, Jayme was 7th in scoring at 14.3 PPG, 15th in FG percentage at 44.7% despite taking a vast majority of his shots from beyond the arc, 5th in three point percentage at 43.3%, and 1st in three point shots made with 39. For the 23 games in which he played this season, Jayme made 82 three point shots.

There is no doubt Jayme Moten was one of the top 16 players in the CCIW this year. He was more deserving than several of the players appearing on the all-conference list. That he was not included is solely a function of the fact NCC finished 4th in the conference and in voting for all-conference honors, the voters traditionally vote the spoils to the winners. NCC already had 2 all-conference performers in Jack Burchett and Charlie Rosenberg who both richly deserved the honor. However, with a fourth place finish, this precluded the Cardinals from having a third player make the team.

The truth be known, in several of the games Jayme did play, he was at far less that 100%. Jayme himself would never use this as an excuse. However, in reality, he hasn't been 100% since his original injury. Last night he spent several minutes in the 1st half at the end of the Cardinal bench worshiping the large plastic trashcan. In the 2nd half he spent the majority of his time during timeouts stretching out cramps in his calves. In between these medically related interruptions, he played his heart out on the court to the tune of even surpassing the conference co player of the year. On the evening he was the game high scorer with 28 points on 9 of 13 shooting including 8 of 12 three pointers. Not one of the top 16 players in the CCIW my posterior:(

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 28, 2015, 01:47:29 pm »
Whether Connor Raridon is 6'5", 6'6" , or 6'7" will not be the primary determining factor as to whether he has a successful college career or not. Lets wait until next season and see what he is listed at on the official roster.  :)

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 28, 2015, 12:44:29 pm »
Has anyone seen the youngest Raridon son play? Does he do all the things that his brothe Derekr did, only better?

Derek was a much better shooter, but Connor does just about everything else better (in comparison to Derek as a senior in high school.) 
Stronger and more physical
Handles the ball as well as a point guard (often times brings it up the floor for his high school team)
Great at creating shots off the dribble (Forces you to place a shorter and quicker defender on him)
Likes to then post up on the shorter guards (Very similar to Peters from Wheaton)
Shoots a lot of free throws and I assume that will continue in college

However, what is really impressive about him is his defense and rebounding.  Two things never used to describe his older brother. 
Always will guard the best player on the floor, even centers if he has to and Always goes hard to the glass.
I expect big things from him over the next four years. His bball IQ is very high

Just to clear things up, I am pretty sure Connor Raridon is 6'5". He may be 6'6". He is not 6'7".
I don't know if Derek was a better shooter in HS. I do know Derek was awful darn good, as is Connor. Connor may be a better all around player, maybe not. You need to remember that Derek was not only a great shooter, but he was a very good assist man as well. At any rate, NCC will be lucky to get Connor, as they were lucky to have Derek previously.
Here are some statistics on Connor Raridon through yesterday--16.1 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 52 three pointers, 84.0% FTs (116/138).
If there is an overall difference between Connor and Derek, it may be that Connor has a bit more of an "edge" than did Derek.  ;)

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 28, 2015, 11:48:04 am »
The Pantagraph article never mentioned it - anyone know why Jordan Nelson didn't play yesterday?  And whether or not he will play today?

Thanks, Q - I hadn't seen that article.  I wasn't surprised that Dolan replaced him as a starter, but was surprised that he disappeared from the rotation entirely.

He wasn't in the rotation during the Saturday 2/21 game vs Elmhurst either.

I only saw the 2nd half of the IWU/EC game last night. I noticed Mr. Nelson didn't play, but I did not notice if he was even dressed for the game.
Did Nelson dress last night and receive a BNPCD, or did he not even dress for the game?
If not, it seems the question arises as to whether he will dress tonight.

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 26, 2015, 11:40:39 pm »
What are the odds on tomorrow night's games?

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 26, 2015, 11:38:50 pm »

Unlike the MWC board, if Greg and I duel with Haiku, we'll do it in Japanese! ;D




Take that, Chuck!

Shiawase wa kumo no ue ni

Shiawase wa sora no ue ni

Hitoribotchi no yoru

Happiness lies beyond the clouds

Happiness lies up above the sky

But I am all alone tonight


Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 26, 2015, 02:19:07 pm »
2015 CCIW All-Conference Men's Basketball Team

2015 Fred Young Co-Most Outstanding Player
Hunter Hill - Augustana
Dylan Overstreet - Illinois Wesleyan

2015 CCIW Coach of the Year
Grey Giovanine - Augustana

2015 CCIW Co-Freshman of the Year
Jordan Robinson - North Park
TJ Sims - Millikin

FIRST TEAM            

 Jack Burchett            North Central          F    Sr.    Mokena, Ill./Providence Catholic
 Juwan Henry                North Park         G    So.    Chicago, Ill./Bogan
 Hunter Hill*                   Augustana          G    Jr.    Byron, Ill./H.S.
 Dylan Overstreet*        Ill Wesleyan            G    Sr.    Paxton, Ill./Paxton-Buckley-Loda 
 Ben Ryan                      Augustana            F      Jr.    Washington, Ill./H.S. 
 Kyle Wuest               Elmhurst                 G    Jr.    Edinburgh, Ind./H.S.

 SECOND TEAM            

 Donte Logan               Carthage            G    Sr.    Evanston, Ill./Niles West
 Will Nixon                    Elmhurst            F/C    Jr.    Plainfield, Ill./South
 Charles Rosenberg     North Central       F    Sr.    Palatine, Ill./Fremd
 Jawan Straughter      Augustana         G    Jr.    Bolingbrook, Ill./Plainfield East
 Brayden Teuscher      Wheaton            G    Sr.    Rockford, Ill./Christian

THIRD TEAM            

 Bryant Ackerman          Elmhurst            G    Jr.    Loogootee, Ind./H.S.
 Tayvian Johnson          Augustana           F    Jr.    East Moline, Ill./United
 Jordan Nelson                  Ill Wesleyan    G    Sr.    Lincoln, Ill./H.S.
 Jordan Robinson          North Park           F    Fr.    Schaumburg, Ill./Hoffman Estates
 TJ Sims                          Millikin             G    Fr.    Bloomington, Ill./H.S.

* Unanimous Selection

Some thoughts on the all-conference team:

* The results continue to suggest that a prime consideration in election to, and placement on, the CCIW all conference team is often a function of where a team finishes as much as it is based on individual talent alone.

* If D3Hoops CCIW posters had done the voting rather than the coaches, exit polls strongly suggest NPU's Henry would have won MOP

* Hocus Pocus Dominocus. Whether you want to call the award the MOP, MVP, POY, or whatever, it should signify the best overall player. The one that can do the most things well. The biggest game changer. The one who strikes the most fear into the hearts of the opponent.

* A perfect illustration of my 1st point is the inclusion of Ben Ryan on the 1st team. Augie wins, they get 2 on 1st team. I think a good argument could be made that Brayden Teuscher or Charlie Rosenberg should switch places with Ryan. Hell, Wheaton's Michael Berg even averaged both more points and rebounds.

* Sorry, but Jawan Straughter has no business being on the All-Conference team. He ranked 14th in the conference with 2.07 assists per game, and 14th in steals with 1.0 per game. His name does not appear anywhere else among the leaders listed in any statistical category. He is only on the team due to Augie's finishing first. Congrats to Stomper Giovanine for somehow ramroding that one through.

* NCC's Jayme Moten got screwed by being able to play in only 11 conference games due to injury. The 7th leading average scorer, #15 in FG% despite shooting a big percentage of his shots from three, #5 in 3 point shooting percentage, and #1 in 3 point shots made. And unlike some of the guards listed, he even plays a little defense. Certainly one of the top 16 players in the CCIW. 

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 26, 2015, 01:14:46 pm »
In 1977, I spent some time fishing with my dad in MN while we listened to a transistor radio with Halsey Hall calling Twins games on WCCO.  This was the year that my favorite Twin, Rod Carew, flirted with .400.  The Twins were not good, but Sir Rodney put up great numbers.  He finished the year hitting .388 and had a career year for RBIs (100).  In my young mind, I believed Carew would most definitely win the MVP.  But some of the news I read explained that Al Cowens of the first place Royals could win the honor.  Cowens ended the season batting .312 with 112 RBIs.  Fortunately, Carew won the MVP in a fairly close vote.

By contrast, I am completely and utterly baffled why somebody left Juwan Henry off the first team all-conference ballot.  (Only Overstreet and Hill were the unanimous selections.  WTF.)  Offensively and defensively, Henry's numbers are clearly vastly superior to Overstreet and Hill.  One could point to Overstreet's greater assist/game over Henry (4.5/4.0), but that is quite petty.  Hill is no doubt inferior both offensively and defensively to Henry.  Henry was no doubt the league's MOP and in terms of MVP, he was the catalyst behind North Park's vast improvement.  Said players from IWU and AU cannot count overall team improvement to support their stature.

The key stat, IMO, is not assists (which you gave for ALL games), but A/TO ratio.  For conference games (the only ones that count for conference honors), Dylan was 59/26 = 2.3; Juwan was 37/41 = 0.9.  That is NOT an insignificant difference.

(And, Mark, I share your mystification that anyone left Juwan Henry off their ballot.  Perhaps it was a Michigan guy who, like me, continually initially types Juwan Howard, instead of Juwan Henry! ::))

But the assist/TO ratio can be a misleading stat as well.
In 14 conference games, Overstreet had 59 assists and 26 TOs for an A/TO ratio of 2.27. In the same number of conference games, Donte Logan of Carthage had 98 assists and 58 TOs for an A/TO ratio of 1.69. On the surface, it looks like Overstreet had the upper hand. However, consider the fact that in the same number of games, Logan had 39 (2.8 per game) MORE assists than did Overstreet. Granted he also had 32 more TOs than did Overstreet. But, Logan still had 40 more assists than TOs, while Overstreet only had 33 more. Consider also, with more (number) better players on IWU, including several very good shooters, than Carthage had, it should have been easier for Overstreet to get those assists. Often times assists are a function of the performance of other players on your team. Make a great pass, but if the receiver blows the layup--no assist for you. And IWU certainly had more better shooters and finishers than did Carthage, especially after the departures of Herth and Kastel. So while Overstreet's 2,27 looks better than Logan's 1.69, who was really the better PG? What would Logan have done if he played for IWU and had the level of talent surrounding him that Overstreet did? Add in the fact that Logan is also a lot quicker than Overstreet.

* NOT saying Overstreet isn't a good player. Just that you can use statistics to frame things however you want them to be seen.
* ALSO NOT saying I'd take either player over Juwan Henry who can do more things well overall than anyone else.

And as far as leaving Mr. Henry off a ballot---- :o

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