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Looking forward to the two games at Shirk tonight, my last in person look before heading back to warmer climes, back to the Far Side. 

Augie the new #1, IWU at a more reasonable #8, Wheaton dropping off the top 25 list. 

Should be a good game, a good challenge for the Titans tonight in the Shirk home opener.

Dolan and Seibring likely starting, though Nelson now "available" according to a Coach Rose quote in the Pgraph piece. 

Happy Thanksgiving to all the CCIW sports fans and chatsters.


Speaking of Jordan Nelson:

Rose called senior guard Jordan Nelson "available" for Tuesday's game. Nelson did not play in Saturday's win over Illinois College for what Rose termed a "coach's decision."

Perhaps the reason for Nelson not playing vs Illinois College was the old standard "a violation of team rules." Perhaps something else. Whatever the reason, nobody should be surprised.

As I said above, Nelson celebrated his only made 3 shots out of 12 vs Benedictine. All three were 3 balls. Let me say I think Nelson is a great shooter who scares the hell out of me as he can connect at any time seemingly from any distance. The problem is he plays like he is still playing in Division 1 where space cadets abound and taunting is the norm. He hits a 3 and runs down the court extending the middle 3 fingers on one hand and shaking his hand and extended fingers rapidly up and down all the way down the court. He hits a second 3 and snaps off quick salutes (to himself?) all the way downcourt. He later hits another 3 to briefly put his team ahead and runs downcourt extending and shaking 3 fingers on BOTH hands. I'm sorry, but this is NOT a college kid just celebrating success. He didn't win the game, he didn't even have a good night overall. But he insists on acting out, and disrespecting himself, his team, his school, and most importantly, his opponent. AND---its a continuing problem as he did the same thing last year in the final regular season game at Wheaton!
I don't know why Nelson didn't play vs, Illinois College. I hope it was for this type behavior. If it wasn't, there is something else Coach Rose needs to speak with Mr. Nelson about

Score 78+, IWU normally wins. Final in Jacksonville, IWU 89, IC 64.  Titans win the two game tournament. 

Big big game today by Bryce Dolan, at least 5-6 treys, overall good floor game.  Strong game, better FT shooting by Trevor Seibring.  He's a tough tough kid down low.  Titans scored at will, penetrated well and kick out for open threes.  Way way too much for the Blueboys today.  Titans finding their rhythm.  Nice contributions from the second group, esp. Pennington, Bausch, and Stempel.    Coach Rose still using basically a ten player rotation, with a number of pine-sitters also getting 2-3 minutes today.  No Nelson at all, must be injured or under the weather or something.  Nelms still out with an ankle injury.  Coach Rose has lots of options.  If Titans hitting on all cylinders, they could be very good. 

Titans home opener Tuesday evening at The Shirk, vs. MSOE. 

IWU70 :)

I attended the IWU @ Benedictine game. Dolan was the most effective and best player on the floor for the Greenies. If a couple more of his teammates would have played like he did IWU would have easily gone home with a W.

Other observations of IWU so far:

* I was surprised to see Seibring starting in place of Marietti. Did he just flat beat Marietti out, or is Mr. M injured? The IWU fans I spoke with that night were also very surprised at seeing him start.

* Pat Sodemann looked like he has been on a regiment of vitamins that are laced with old and slow supplements. He seemed to huff and puff up and down the court, and was totally ineffective. He was 0 for 4 in the Ben U game including an air ball from the left corner. It looks like he still hasn't come out of it as he is now 2 for 18 through three games.
Least you think me insane, I mentioned my observations to several IWU fans both during halftime and after the game. Each and every one I spoke with was in total concurrence. Furthermore Ron Rose made a big mistake subbing Sodemann in for Dolan with 41 seconds left.

* Ryan Coyle started out very well in the BU game and then cooled off. Seemed like he was spending a lot of time to far away from the basket considering his height and solid frame. I see he them had a great game in a subsequent contest. I think Coyle will eventually develop into a solid scorer on a regular basis . He sat for his first 2 years so I think the Green fans will see some inconsistency before he evolves to a dependable player on a regular basis.

* Overstreet scored 16 points but almost all of then seemed like they came on drives. He shot very poorly from outside. He had 5 assists but also had 5 TOs. For IWU to be successful it's floor leader needs to have a better assist/TO ratio, and also to shoot better from outside. I suspect this will occur sooner rather than later based on his history. I believe his overall shooting has already improved.

* Jordan Nelson went 3 for 12 and celebrated his 3 made baskets like he had just won the national championship. His performance was reminiscent of the Chicago Bear who, in a recent game, celebrated his first sack of the year when the Bears were a million points behind , and tore his knee ligament while acting like a hyena.

I'm thinking about heading to Carthage next weekend for the two day tournament.  Anybody have hotel recommendations and maybe a restaurant or two?


Check the Carthage web site for possible hotels. The hotels listed on the various school sites usually have an arrangement with the school and offer discounts for school related activities. Call the hotel and tell them you are coming in for a Carthage event and you may be able to get a discounted rate.

Congrats to North Central's Charlie Rosenberg on being named CCIW Player Of THe Week.
Charlie averaged 24 points in NCC's opening weekend Tip-Off Tourney.

From a personal standpoint, I usually experience a feeling of perplexity as to the level of student attendance no matter how many may be in attendance, and even if most individuals might consider the number impressive.
However this particular Saturday the attendance figure was not surprising. This is due to the fact that this is FINALS WEEK at NCC with exams tomorrow, Tues, and Wed before the traditional 6 week vacation period begins Thanksgiving day with the 2nd trimester not beginning until 1/5/15.

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: November 23, 2014, 09:58:28 pm »

Interesting officiating over the two nights.  In game one against Olivet, there were 30 fouls called in the first half.  And it was not a physical game at all.

Last night, the first half was very physical.  Guys literally throwing opponents to the floor with no call.  3 fouls against the Bears and 5 against Wheaton in the first half.

Then in the second half, the whistles started to blow.  12 second half fouls for Wash U and 14 for Wheaton. 

I feel sorry for the players.  They deserve better than what they are getting.


Although some will argue, I think such has been the case for some time. For several years, it seems like there are several instances each game where one time down the floor, all a player has to do to get whistled for a foul is to breathe on his man too hard. The next time down, the same guy can tackle his man and the ref doesn't even think about blowing his whistle.  :(

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: November 23, 2014, 05:27:18 pm »
North Central 77
Bluffton 61

The Cardinals starting front court tallied 51 points.

After leading the Cards with 25 points the previous evening, Charlie Rosenberg was again the top scorer with 23 last night. To top things off, Sir Charles dished out a game high 5 assists, and took home the Naperville Marriott Tip-Off Tourney MVP Award.

Jack Burchett registered his second double-double in 2 nights, scoring 10 points and pulling down 11 rebounds. The Chairman Of The Boards is averaging 12.5 rpg.

Kevin Honn played a great all-around game scoring 18 points on 5 of 7 shooting, including 4 of 5 from beyond the arc, and 4 of 5 from the line. Additionally, Kevin grabbed 6 rebounds, handed out 3 assists, and made 2 steals.

Freshman Erwin Henry played a strong supporting role with 3 of 4 from the field, and 4 of 5 from the line for 10 points in 18 minutes of play.

Guard Jayme Moten was the fifth Cardinal to reach double figures, banking 10 points (2 threes). Jayme also handed out 4 assists without committing any TOs.

NCC hosts western neighbor Aurora, picked to win the NACC, in non-conference action on Tuesday night. The annual tussle begins at 7:00.

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: November 22, 2014, 06:11:39 pm »

North Central 81
Trinity International 64

Last night the NCC Cardinals got their season started on a positive note with a 17 point win over Trinity International. Senior forwards Jack Burchett and Charlie Rosenberg led the way with 24 and 25 points respectively. Burchett added 14 rebounds to register a double-double. The Burchett-Rosenberg duo is going to cause opponents fits throughout the season.
Card's Freshman Joe Kennell got his college career off on a very positive note, hitting his only field goal attempt, a 3 ball, and going a perfect 8 for 8 from the line down the stretch to seal the victory. To top things off, Joe  played a great floor game, handling the ball well under strong pressure, and dishing out 5 helpers whie not committing a single TO.

North Region football / Re: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: November 21, 2014, 01:02:38 am »
I think NCC had as good a chance as any team at making it at least to one of the Purple Altars this year.  They are better offensively and about the same defensively as 2008 Wheaton that made the semis.

But that's not really the issue, is it? The issue is whether or not North Central could win the national championship this season. If it could, then we've got a problem -- because the selection process failed to include a team that's good enough to win the whole shooting match, thereby rendering the premise that the playoffs reveal the best team in the nation to be false.

Being good enough to be one of the sacrificial lambs of Purple One or Purple Two is not the same thing as that at all (although I would argue that NCC was a legitimate national-championship contender last year, based upon how it performed at Mount Union).


Under your approach, someone could build a statistical model showing any team in the playoffs had some degree of chance to win the championship. However, we all know that's not realistic.
It seems like the model you are talking about is focused on the very few teams that have the best chance of winning and, other than those few teams, it doesn't really matter what teams are in the playoffs because only the top 3 or 4 have a real chance to win. If that's the case, why don't we just dispense with the formalities of the preliminary rounds and follow the D1 system of just taking the top four teams and have them go 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3, with the winners playing for the championship? After all, they were the only ones who really COULD win going in. Save everyone else the time and trouble.  :D

North Region football / Re: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: November 20, 2014, 09:58:33 pm »
I think your use of the word "someday" with regard to NCC making the playoff field, could have used some modifiers. It isn't like it hasn't happened before, and recently at that. You can look it up.  ;)
Perhaps something like "again someday soon."  :)

I am pretty sure HSCoach meant it as such:

The AQ could very well be the reason your team makes the field someday. (As in the ONLY reason.)

Exactly what I was trying to say, but obviously not so well.

The supposed strength of teams and conferences are very hard to gauge with so little national cross over games in the regular season.  And things change in time.  It wasn't too long ago the WIAC champ was considered a one-and-done team, but now that conference is home to the King.  Without AQ's it may keep a conference from stepping forward.

Beyond that, it's a question of fairness and equity. As is the case across the board in NCAA sports -- not just in D3, but in D1 and D2 as well -- the principle is that every member institution and conference that pays its NCAA dues is entitled to equal access to championships. That's why March Madness always features schools such as Mercer, Cal Poly, Wofford, and Stephen F. Austin every year. And people like that, because it's fun to cheer for an underdog. I can understand why that same sentiment doesn't seem to apply here, at least for CardinalAlum and other disgruntled NCC fans, because the D3 football tourney field is much smaller and there's far fewer at-large berths available.

You'll never see an NCAA tournament in any of the three divisions in which the field consists of the best 32 teams in the nation, or the best 61 teams in the nation, or the best 64 teams in the nation, or whatever size the tournament field happens to be for that sport and that division. That's life. As long as all of the teams that have a legitimate shot at winning the national championship are represented, the system works. And I guess that that's the question here: Do people really think that NCC had a legitimate shot at winning the national championship this season if the Cardinals had been awarded a playoff berth?

Asking that question is like the aged philosophy professor asking "what proof is there that the chair you're sitting on is really there?"
Define "legitimate." Where do you draw the line between legitimate and illegitimate? Wherever it is, one thing is for certain and that is NCC had at least as "legitimate" of a chance as teams like Macalester, Benedictine, Hampden-Sydney, and Christopher Newport have.
That is as undeniable as the fact that if the chair wasn't there, my arse would have been on the floor.  :)

North Region football / Re: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: November 20, 2014, 05:18:46 pm »
With North Central's season now over, thus ends a grand 13 year era in NCC athletic history, during which its football team was led by both a great coach and a great guy, John Thorne, the focus of the accompanying Naperville Sun article.

North Region football / Re: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: November 20, 2014, 01:59:17 pm »
CardinalAlum:  I disagree the system is perfect.     The old days of a selection committee picking the 16 without an AQ is not somewhere we want to go to again.  The AQ could very well be the reason your team makes the field someday.


I enjoy many of your posts, and our thoughts are often solidly aligned.

However, I think your use of the word "someday" with regard to NCC making the playoff field, could have used some modifiers. It isn't like it hasn't happened before, and recently at that. You can look it up.  ;)
Perhaps something like "again someday soon."  :)

North Region football / Re: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: November 20, 2014, 01:46:07 pm »
IMO from the NCC game on, Peltz was the best player in the conference. The problem is he didn't start for half of the season. My guess is that the coaches in the conference felt that they could either consider him for postseason awards (and likely make him 1st team AC and maybe MOP) or not and they chose the later.  I am actually fine with that and don't really think it makes sense to put him on the 2nd team. 

I like Sorenson as MOP (Swider even credited him with NCC's rushing success) and Conway as 1st team QB (does NP win any conference games without him?).  Peltz is only a sophomore and the league knows he is gonna be a favorite for MOP/All-Conference and maybe All-American lists in the next two years.  I think he is that good and especially with what Wheaton is gonna bring back. 


I follow your logic and don't disagree. The problem is this is not the "All Season" awards. This is the All conference awards and he played 5 of 7 conference games and was the best player in the conference and second place isn't close. There are plenty of examples of players earning all conference awards who miss a conference game or two. Shoot, Danny Puknaitis was 2nd team RB for Wheaton and he never started a game this year. He played in every game, had fewer carries, yards per game, and total yards rushing in 10 games than JP11 had in 5 games! How does that make sense?

I should also clarify my comments about the Peltz, Warden, Conway comparison. TD Conway, in my opinion, did the least with the most individual talent. He is very smart QB with a great arm. Peltz and Warden are much better overall athletes and more complete offensive threats because of the their running ability. They are different styles completely. Conway carried NPU, both good and bad. Peltz vaulted Wheaton from a probable 2nd place finish and watching games this weekend to an undefeated season, 2 home games, top 10 ranking and some Thanksgiving madness in Thundertown.

The system is broken.


Before you get too mad at me, I agree with you on two fronts:
1. Peltz should be somewhere on the all-conference team.
2. When there are only 8 teams in the league and you name QBs representing half of the league's teams it greatly cheapens the process. 3 QBs on the 2nd team is ridiculous. 2 might even be too many. If there is no process in place to break a tie vote, there ought to be.

However, while Peltz did do great things, I think its stretching things a bit to say that during the time he played he "was the best player in the conference, and 2nd place isn't close." Without going into great detail, I doubt you saw any player not wearing a Wheaton uniform play every game that any specific player participated in. Accordingly, you can't know how they preformed in those games. Yes, you can look at a list of stats, but they don't tell you things like the guy who had only 1 catch outfought 2 defenders or made a circus catch to pull in the game winning TD, or the guy who ran the ball in for the game winning TD from 12 yards out broke 6 tackles in those 12 yards. And, as far as the 2nd best player not even being close, it seems like at least 2 players were at least close--Peter Sorenson, the Offensive POY, and Peltz' own teammate Adan Dansdill, the Defensive POY.
I think both their awards were for the total 7 game conference portion of the season.  :)

North Region football / Re: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: November 19, 2014, 09:30:20 pm »
Besides which, it doesn't matter because clearly the coaches decided that 15 2nd team players were ok and 3 QB's. I think that's a cop out. Basketball doesn't do it why should football?

The CCIW basketball coaches do put extra players on the All-CCIW team in the event of a tie, USee. In fact, it happened just two seasons ago.

As well as in 2011, 2010, and 2007. :)

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: November 18, 2014, 09:54:45 pm »
St. Norbert 76
North Park 65

Jordan Robinson: 20 pts
Colin Lake: 17 pts
T.J. Cobbs: 10 pts
Michael Hutchinson: 8 rebs
Garrett Gatz: 4:0 a:to


I see NPU won the 2nd half by 9 points! However, they were down 20 at half. What accounted for the slow start?

Oops, we posted about the same time. Maybe the answer is they didn't employ the same strategy in the opening half.

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