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When starting Bowers in 3 of the first 4 games, Wheaton has scored 55 points. Peltz started 1 game and Wheaton scored 60 points. Peltz has had better season and career passing and rushing stats. Peltz is a captain as elected by the players. Peltz is 6'3". Bowers is 5'-10" Peltz appears to be much more respected by Wheaton's opponents. Peltz is Swider's nephew. Bowers is starting. This makes no sense.??

Hmmm. First post from ncaafootballDAD. Could that possibly be Wheatonfootballdad?
Wonder what the other Wheaton football dads think? 🤔 😉 🏈

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North Region football / Re: FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: September 29, 2016, 05:44:28 pm »
Front page re-ranking the conferences. CCIW, despite the weakness at the top, makes a move up:

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2016/re-ranking-the-conferences-for-2016

4. College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

Kickoff ranking: 7

No. 6 North Central has impressed, but its two non-conference wins were against non-Division III programs. No. 11 Wheaton is also 4-0, but has slid down the polls after narrow wins over Carthage and Elmhurst. I’m of the opinion that those results do not show the strength of the middle of the league, but the lack of power at the top. Still, with two teams that can challenge the Purple Powers and a solid middle class, the CCIW earns high marks.


Not trying to be Mr. Controversial here, but it seems Mr. Turer is being at least a bit contradictory on a couple of points:

1. He says NCC has impressed, but its 2 non-con wins were against non-D3 programs.
it seems what is being missed is that while neither team NCC played is among the nation's best NAIA teams, they are scholarship teams and, are likely just as good as many, if not most, of the other D3 teams that the top ranked D3 teams have beaten. Is Mr. Turer suggesting that just because NCC's non-con wins were against NAIA teams, that they cannot be "impressive" victories? If so, I think this is an incorrect assumption.

2. He says there is "lack of power at the top." This seems incongruent with the fact that NCC and Wheaton are powerful enough to currently be ranked #6, and #11 respectively. Also, this statement seems to ignore the fact that Carthage is now probably the 3rd best team in the conference, and Elmhurst had a pretty good game as opposed to WC being stinky.

Wonder what others think so opposing viewpoints are welcomed. Thanks.   

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North Region football / Re: FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: September 29, 2016, 04:56:46 pm »
Anyways, I just started paying attention late last year and thought I would give a shout out to some one else giving coverage to D3 that isn't named Massey.

I don't know how much attention Massey is really paying to Division III.  He has a set of rankings sure, but when you have five NESCACs in the top 11, you're kind of telling on yourself a little bit aren't you?

Perhaps Mr. Massey became confused somewhere along the line and, perceiving the year was a little further along than it actually is, thought he was analyzing basketball teams. This is especially plausible considering his basketball rankings always seem to be well populated by NESCAC teams.  ;)

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North Region football / Re: FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: September 27, 2016, 09:19:50 pm »
CCIW PLAYERS OF THE WEEK

Offense----------> Maurice Shoemaker-Gilmore, IWU
Defense---------> Tommy Sora, NCC
Special Teams--> Pat Cravens, NCC

NAPERVILLE, Ill. – Illinois Wesleyan’s Maurice Shoemaker-Gilmore, along with North Central’s Tommy Sora and Pat Cravens were named the College Conference of Illinois & Wisconsin (CCIW) Football Players of the Week on Monday.
 
Shoemaker-Gilmore, a senior running back from Kankakee, Illinois and Bishop McNamara High School (Business Administration major), scored three touchdowns and threw for another during a 45-10 win at North Park on Saturday. He rushed for 150 yards on 20 carries and two touchdowns, ran a kickoff back 88 yards for a touchdown and threw a 32-yard score in the third quarter. The 88-yard return was the sixth-longest kickoff return in Titan history.
 
Sora, a junior linebacker from Morton Grove, Illinois and Notre Dame College Prep (Finance/Economics/Management major), helped lead a Cardinal pass rush which produced a season-high 13 tackles-for-loss and six quarterback sacks in a 42-7 win over Millikin on Saturday. He totaled seven tackles (five solo), three tackles-for-loss and two sacks as North Central limited a second-straight CCIW opponent to single-digit scoring.
 
Cravens, a junior defensive back/punt returner from Chicago and Notre Dame College Prep (Management major), had four punt returns for 85 yards (21.3-yard average) against the Big Blue on Saturday. He had a 25-yard return deep into Millikin territory in the second quarter and added a 42-yard return to the Big Blue 28-yard line late in the third quarter that set up a two-play scoring drive.


2016 CCIW Football Players of the Week
 
Offense
Maurice Shoemaker-Gilmore – Illinois Wesleyan (9/26/16)
Orlando Hernandez – Elmhurst (9/19/16)
Broc Rutter – North Central (9/12/16)
T.D. Conway – North Park (9/6/16)
 
Defense
Tommy Sora – North Central (9/26/16)
Eric Stevenson – Wheaton (9/19/16)
DJ Warkenthien – North Central (9/12/16)
Sean Wetherell – Elmhurst (9/6/16)
 
Special Teams
Pat Cravens – North Central (9/26/16)
Zane Lodico – North Central (9/19/16)
Darquise Holman – Carthage (9/12/16)
Robert Martin – Augustana (9/6/16)

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North Region football / Re: FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: September 26, 2016, 10:26:33 pm »
Just re-watched Coach Swider's post-game comments.  Favorite part, "Don't let anyone steal your joy."  Winning a football game is a fun thing, no matter how it happens.  I haven't played competitively in 25 years, but those kids are lucky getting to do what they love.  It was good to watch again now that a little time has passed since the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97C_mDPw438
I agree with Coach Swider. A win is a win, "bad" or not.
A coach who "only" posts "bad" win after "bad" win year after year is going to be looked at as one VERY good and successful coach.  ;D

As I said, if all you do is win, no apologies are really necessary whether you classify those wins as good or "bad." Also, a coach who is able to pile up all those wins is one that a lot of schools would love to have.

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North Region football / Re: FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: September 25, 2016, 07:57:53 pm »
I agree with Coach Swider. A win is a win, "bad" or not.
A coach who "only" posts "bad" win after "bad" win year after year is going to be looked at as one VERY good and successful coach.  ;D

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North Region football / Re: FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: September 25, 2016, 05:54:51 pm »
As I sat watching the game online each series I kept waiting for Peltz to head out there.  And he remained on the sideline.  I just didn't understand.  I just wonder if he is injured in some way. It's disappointing to me, but sometimes as a fan you just have to trust what's going on at practice and behind closed doors. That doesn't mean it's not frustrating as a fan though.

That said, Wheaton's offensive line looks so slow.  Not being able to get to or maintain the reach blocks killed them all day.  Kudos to Elmhurst for using their motors on defense.  They seemed to keep coming and coming.  It almost appeared that the Wheaton offense expected them to quit on their own instead of executing consistently which generally forces the defense to quit.

We'll see what happens against IWU.  NCC is looking more formidable each week.

Expect Wheaton to fall in the polls.  I'm thinking they'll be in the 12-15 range.

WOW!  Wheaton must be the most miserable 4-0 Top 10 team in the country. 

I got news for you guys---the Crusaders are good, real good and 10-0 or 9-1 is a real possibility.  BUT, you can't always smash and humiliate your opponent.  Sometimes you just have t enjoy the win.  ;D

Don't get me wrong, I'm ecstatic they are 4-0, I just believe they are better than they have shown. Like Coach Swider always says, a win is a win. I don't think Wheaton should humiliate every opponent, but I do think they need to play better to compete with North Central. Wheaton is an outstanding team and would compete for a conference title in nearly every other conference in the country. I just want them to be the best they can be. I'm sure the staff and the players are doing all they can on the field and off to make that happen. Also, the last few years we have been spoiled. I'm confident this will get worked out.

Mat,

If you asked the North Central coaches, players, and any fans who know the difference between a football and a hockey puck, I think they will all tell you that they fully expect the Thundering Crusaders to compete for the CCIW conference title. They are just too talented not to. Did Wheaton really have that stinky of a game or did Elmhurst play above and beyond their usual capabilities?
NCC fully expects their game with WC to be a dogfight no matter who the Orange team QB might be. While the game is in Naperville, its only 8 miles from the Wheaton campus. There will probably be almost as many Wheaton fans there as NCC fans. So, yes, the NCC side is certainly expecting that Wheaton will be competing fiercely for the conference title.
The distinction being that, while they expect the Orange to compete for the title, they expect the Cardinals to be winning it.  ;) 🏈

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: September 19, 2016, 06:44:18 pm »
Heard around the campfire...........

Assistant coach Joe Fano has evidently left Benedictine to assume the same position at North Park, essentially replacing Cordell Henry who left the NPU staff earlier.

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North Region football / Re: FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: September 18, 2016, 08:29:22 pm »
Well, Mark, I think the crux here is that what you view as exercising "appropriately" may not be what someone else does, and you are not the one who gets to decide what is appropriate. I didn't take Con Law but I think you have to take that up with the Attorney General.

I know many will consider what was done at the IWU/NCC game was "appropriate."
But I just don't think this is the case when you refuse to honor the flag under which many served and died. And, as I said, standing during the Anthem does not mean you agree with everything about the country.
I also sense most of those who went to the game last night were there to see football, not something else.

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North Region football / Re: FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: September 18, 2016, 08:10:02 pm »
You want to protest, fine. Stand, but don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem. Write a letter to the newspaper or the school paper. Appear at a forum discussion on the subject you're upset about. But remember, you have many benefits from living in the United States so don't disrespect the nation entirely by kneeling during the National Anthem.

Including the right to peaceful protest in the manner of your choosing that doesn't infringe upon the rights of others, so ...

Yes, Pat.
And let us also not forget the sacrifices made by those like my uncle who gave their lives so that these kids could exercise that right to peaceful protest!!!

My uncle, and hundreds of thousands of others who served under the flag of our nation, paid the ultimate price for that freedom. So if someone, college football player or not, wants to protest something, how about their doing so in a peaceful and legal way that does not dishonor the service and ultimate sacrifice made by those who gave their lives in order for today's generations to be able to both enjoy and exercise those freedoms. Not by refusing to honor the flag under which they served.

Just because you stand during the National Anthem doesn't mean you agree with everything about the country. It does mean you respect the honor of those who sacrificed so you could enjoy those things about America which you are grateful for, and that you can approriately exercise the freedoms that their service helped guarantee. 🇱🇷

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North Region football / Re: FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: September 18, 2016, 07:47:22 pm »
Furthermore, in pointing out the fact that IWU costs $52,316, what I am saying is that a kid who both individually and, I would think from a family standpoint, has benefited from the American way of life to the point of being able to afford to attend this expensive of a school, needs to think twice about condemning the nation totally by disrespecting the flag which is the symbol of the nation as a whole.

And Colin Kaepernick will make $11.9M this year as part of a 6-year, $114M contract.

I think it's abundantly clear the protest has nothing to do with how much money you and your family have.

All I am saying Bob, is that these kids have a lot to be thankful for by living in the US, and it would seem that one of those things would be being able to attend a college as good as and as expensive as IWU.

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North Region football / Re: FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: September 18, 2016, 06:46:26 pm »
Kiko, (and Robert)

Brother, did you miss the boat on this one.
When I say IWU is highly regarded from both an academic and athletic standpoint do you really think I am "tweaking" the school? Quite the contrary!
What I am "tweaking," as you say, is the actions of the individuals involved, NOT anything about IWU, which certainly could not have prevented the display. IWU, the school, did nothing wrong.

Furthermore, in pointing out the fact that IWU costs $52,316, what I am saying is that a kid who both individually and, I would think from a family standpoint, has benefited from the American way of life to the point of being able to afford to attend this expensive of a school, needs to think twice about condemning the nation totally by disrespecting the flag which is the symbol of the nation as a whole.

Certainly, there are several issues that exist today that disenfranchise many of the segments of society. Issues that not only those affected segments, but many others among us also find disturbing. However, when you disrespect the flag by not standing during the National Anthem, what you are saying is that you disagree with everything about America because, as I said, the flag is a symbol of the nation as a whole.

You want to protest, fine. Stand, but don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem. Write a letter to the newspaper or the school paper. Appear at a forum discussion on the subject you're upset about. But remember, you have many benefits from living in the United States so don't disrespect the nation entirely by kneeling during the National Anthem.

That's all. Absolutely nothing about IWU itself. Not sure where you got that.  ???
And, "your alma mater?"



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North Region football / Re: FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: September 18, 2016, 03:08:39 pm »
It was interesting to note that during the National Anthem preceding last night's IWU/NCC game, Wesleyan players #6 Quincy Butler and #91 Jamal Jackson choose to take a knee rather than stand with the rest of the team.

Perhaps it is their way to protest the many societal ills that have combined to condemn them to attend Illinois Wesleyan, a university that is highly regarded from both an academic and athletic standpoint, and which costs the measly sum of $52,316 per year to attend.  ::)

If not, maybe its just that Colin Kaepernick is their idol and role model.  :(

In any event, is a small college football game the proper forum in which to demonstrate their perceived grevances?

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North Region football / Re: FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: September 13, 2016, 07:02:26 pm »
I just don't believe that if the Cardinals lose it will primarily be because their "boy," as you refer to him, got the jitters due to playing his first conference road game. If he was going to be nervous, it would have been in the first game of his NCC career which was also on the road. He handled that assignment pretty well. And, if he does falter, for whatever reason, the Cards have a backup who is good enough to have started as a freshman last year. 

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North Region football / Re: FB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: September 13, 2016, 05:43:27 pm »
With regard to the Cardinals rookie QB that hasn't played in a big game on the road, I'd venture a guess that both freshman QB Broc Rutter, and the NCC coaches considered his first game as the NCC starting QB was indeed a "big" game. And, while it was not a conference game, it was on the road against a team of scholarship players as was his second (home) game this past Saturday.

In those games he went 38 for 52 (73.1%) for 572 yards with 7 TDs, and an efficiency rating of 206.1. I sense the jitters are gone.
However, as we know, its a team game. Accordingly, much of a QBs success is attributable to how well the O line can protect him.

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