Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - AndOne

Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 267
1
Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 11, 2016, 03:52:54 pm »
North Central 95
Carthage       77

After displaying their matador style of defense which allowed Carthage to shoot 62% overall, and 50% from three in the first half, and found the NCC trailing by 6 at that juncture, the Cardinals underwent a blistering halftime critique following which they treated the Tarble Arena nets and the home team opposition to the same type of treatment in the second stanza. Clamping down on defense, while at the same time blistering the nets on the offensive end, the Cardinals turned that 6 point deficit into an 18 point, 95-77, victory. After shooting 43% overall, and 57% from three in the first half, the Cards upped those figures to 75% and 86%, respectively, in the second half. They also hit 92% of their FTs.
At the same time, their increased intensity on the defensive end saw them reduce the Carthage percentages from 62 and 50 to 39 and 15, and in the process, out scoring the hosts by 24.

NORTH CENTRAL:

* Erwin Henry: 19 points (7/10), and a team high 6 rebounds.
* Kevin Honn: 16 points off the bench (6/11 & 3/4), 5 rebounds. In his last 88 minutes of PT, the Cardinals 6th man has 61 points.
* Alex Sorenson: 14 points.
* Connor Raridon: 12 points.

CARTHAGE:

* Sean Valentine: 21 points.
* Brad Kruse: 15 points
* Kiston Lee: 14 points, 6 rebounds.

Tony Pierce Jr., who burst on the scene, mid-season, has fizzled considerably. Last night he was 1/4.
Jordan Kedrowski, who began the season spectacularly, has seen the bottom fall out. Last night, no points.

2
Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 11, 2016, 02:28:43 pm »
Congrats to North Central Head Coach Todd Raridon who, with his 205th win last night, became the Cardinals all-time leader in coaching victories.
Combined with his 269 wins at Nebraska Wesleyan, Raridon now has a total of 474 career victories--exactly twice the number of games he has lost.

3
Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 09, 2016, 04:26:26 pm »
The problem NCC is going to face at the selection/ranking table is simple - while they have a lot of vRRO games, they have a vast majority being losses.
If you have a weak SOS, you better win. If you have a strong SOS, you just can't lose.
2-7 vRRO and I suspect probably a 2-8 in that category assuming a loss in the CCIW tournament... and North Central is in the same place it has been before... thin ice.

Dave,  ???

Correct me if I am mistaken, but while you may not have intended to do so, isn't your above statement saying the same thing twice? Aren't you saying if you have a weak SOS, you need to win, and if you have a strong SOS, you also better win (just can't lose)?

Again, it seems this just once again points out the Committee Doesn't give a hoot if you challenge yourself by facing the best competition that you can. They would rather have a 22-3 team with most of its wins against teams like School For The Blind, than a 18-7 team with losses to teams like Augie, Benedictine, Alma, Chicago, and Aurora.
I'm done.  :)

4
Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 09, 2016, 04:00:26 pm »
The problem NCC is going to face at the selection/ranking table is simple - while they have a lot of vRRO games, they have a vast majority being losses. That isn't going to help them as much as people think. Sure, it shows they played a tough schedule, but their SOS shows the same thing. What it shows is they couldn't necessarily win against that schedule and the committee has taken that into account almost every year with some team out there.


What it truly shows is that the best ways of getting in the national tournament are to either be a regularly good or better team in a weak (the bigger the better) conference and beat up on your conference foes thus raking up a lot of wins, or, if you are in a better conference, make sure you schedule as many bad NCAA D3 teams as possible and rack up wins that way. Because it appears that what the NCAA values most of all is "just win baby." Is is utterly ridiculous that, Benedictine, a very good team for certain, is a lock to be in the national tourney, but NCC, also a good team, who lost to undefeated BU by 2 points, is teetering on the edge. I know it isn't as simple as this, but if you know the difference between a basketball and a hole in the wall, you know NCC is one of the best 62 teams in the country. If the NCAA isn't going to take a team with 8 losses despite playing the toughest schedule in the country, including playing in what is probably the best conference in the country with the current #1and #9 teams, then schedule as many Knox type teams as possible, beat the crap out of all of them, and pile up a great winning percentage that even a blind man would see. Grrrrrrrrr >:(

5
Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 08, 2016, 11:12:50 pm »
AO, let it go.  You just need to worry about whether your boys get into the tournament at all.  Rankings mean nothing.  They have to get into the dance to dance.  Better win the AQ if you want no drama.

IWU70

When I said "the defense rests" I meant that was the end of it. I said what I had to say.  :)
You are right. The Cards just need to keep winning, and things will take care of themselves. They have 3 tough games remaining. For some reason they are all on road, but the opportunity is there.

Sounds like all are happy with Pat's action.  ;D

6
Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 08, 2016, 08:17:41 pm »
I figured that might come up when I was assembling the poll page. My best guess on it is that perhaps voters felt six losses was just too much to deal with, regardless.

Don't know when regional rankings will come out. However, in talking with a well placed source, right now, Benedictine is ranked first in the region, with Augustana 2nd, and North Central 3rd.
Of course things can change quickly. We shall see.

As they should be...they are still undefeated.  NC at 3rd with 5 loses would be a bigger surprise in my eyes.
likely NC SOS combined with W% will keep them up in the early rankings. Their SOS very high, one of the better not only in the region but all of D3.  First rankings usually do not go all that deep behind first criteria as the components will change, the regional committees get used to the process (particularly any newbies on the committee for the first time) and NCAA will start to purify and shake out the data between the first, second and last public rankings.  The data needs to be checked and fixed before, for example, a deeper dive taken vRRO.
In short, the first blush is usually does not go too deep into the criteria. Initially emphasis on the process of the rankings.

North Central actually has 6 losses, not 5. However, all but one of the losses are to teams ranked in the top 25. NCC has lost to (current D3Hoops rankings):

2 losses to current #2 Augustana (21-1). The first by 27, and the second by 8.
Current #3 Benedictine (22-0) by 2.
Current #12 Alma (16-5) by 1.
Current #21 Chicago (14-6) by 13.
Current #30 Aurora (17-4) by 3.

North Central does not have one of the toughest D3 schedules nationally. They have the toughest D3 schedule (check the Massey ratings) of any school in the entire nation. The teams they have lost to are a combined 90-16!


Yes sir, but shouldn't the voters be considering that NCC has the nation's toughest SOS, and all but one of those losses was to a top 25 team, including 2 being to the now #1 team in the country? Also that 4 of the 6 losses are by a combined 14 points, or 3.5 points a game, and that the teams the Cardinals have lost to have a combined record of 90-16?  :-\
The defense rests.  :)

7
Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 08, 2016, 06:55:13 pm »
New poll is out.

Augie back up to numerio uno.
Elmhurst stays at #9.
North Central loses to #1 Augie by 8 points., beats IL Wesleyan by 20, and drops from #13 to #18.
Aren't you supposed to lose to #1? Doesn't seem like losing to the #1 team in the country by 8 points should cost you 5 places in the rankings.  >:(

8
Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 08, 2016, 06:45:21 pm »
Well, I'm sure rejoicing is still in order in Bloomington.  ;)

9
Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 08, 2016, 02:34:15 pm »
iiwwuu has resigned from the D3Hoops boards.  ;D
Que lastima? LOL!

10
Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 08, 2016, 02:26:36 pm »
NEWS FLASH

A day of mourning has been declared on the IWU campus, especially within the IWU basketball family...........................

11
Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 08, 2016, 02:02:53 pm »
Don't know when regional rankings will come out. However, in talking with a well placed source, right now, Benedictine is ranked first in the region, with Augustana 2nd, and North Central 3rd.
Of course things can change quickly. We shall see.

As they should be...they are still undefeated.  NC at 3rd with 5 loses would be a bigger surprise in my eyes.
likely NC SOS combined with W% will keep them up in the early rankings. Their SOS very high, one of the better not only in the region but all of D3.  First rankings usually do not go all that deep behind first criteria as the components will change, the regional committees get used to the process (particularly any newbies on the committee for the first time) and NCAA will start to purify and shake out the data between the first, second and last public rankings.  The data needs to be checked and fixed before, for example, a deeper dive taken vRRO.
In short, the first blush is usually does not go too deep into the criteria. Initially emphasis on the process of the rankings.

North Central actually has 6 losses, not 5. However, all but one of the losses are to teams ranked in the top 25. NCC has lost to (current D3Hoops rankings):

2 losses to current #2 Augustana (21-1). The first by 27, and the second by 8.
Current #3 Benedictine (22-0) by 2.
Current #12 Alma (16-5) by 1.
Current #21 Chicago (14-6) by 13.
Current #30 Aurora (17-4) by 3.

North Central does not have one of the toughest D3 schedules nationally. They have the toughest D3 schedule (check the Massey ratings) of any school in the entire nation. The teams they have lost to are a combined 90-16!

12
Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 08, 2016, 12:51:30 am »
Don't know when regional rankings will come out. However, in talking with a well placed source, right now, Benedictine is ranked first in the region, with Augustana 2nd, and North Central 3rd.
Of course things can change quickly. We shall see.

13
Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 08, 2016, 12:45:09 am »
NCC 89
IWU 69

The North Central Cardinals completed a season sweep of Illinois Wesleyan in strong fashion with a 20 point thumping of the visitors on Senior Night in Naperville. Trailing 14-13 midway through the first period, the Cardinals reeled off 15 unanswered points on their way to building a 20 point lead. A late jumper by IWU's Bryce Dolan followed by an 80 foot heave by Trevor Seibring at the buzzer, left NCC up 40-25 at the half. The Cardinals shot a blistering 62% in the first half.
Trailing by 16 with 11:29 left in the 2nd, IWU outscored their hosts 15-4 over the next four and a half minutes to narrow the gap to 6 points. At that point, the Cardinals came out of their funk to respond with a 10-0 run of their own, restoring the 16 point advantage with 3:56 remaining. NCC then led by at least 12 the rest of the way. The Senior Night festivities were fittingly capped when little used Cardinal senior Brian Harvey drained a long, nothing-but-net, trey with 15 seconds left for evening's final points.

Seniors Jayme Moten, Kevin Honn, Brian Harvey, and Geoff Godwin were recognized in a pre-game ceremony.

NCC:

* Alex Sorenson with a double-double of 23 points on 10 of 16 shooting, and a game high 11 rebounds.
* Super 6th man, senior Kevin Honn, off the bench with a perfect 4 of 4 from the field and 7 of 7 from the line for 16 points and 6 rebounds in 18 minutes. Kevin has 17 rebounds and 45 points in his last 51 minutes of PT over the last 3 games.
* Senior Jayme Moten with 13 points, 4 rebounds, and strong defense on IWU's primary perimeter scorer, Bryce Dolan, forcing Dolan into 2 of 9 from the field for only 5 points.
* Jagger Anderson & Connor Raridon both with 10 points. Raridon also had a game high 7 assists.
* Aiden Chang off the bench with 9 points.

IWU:

* Trevor Seibring, 15 points + 7 rebounds.
* Joel Pennington, 15 points (6/12, 3/8)
* Andy Stempel off the bench with 12 points (5/6, 2/3)

Stempel (9.5 PPG) had been starting, but seems to have been replaced by freshman Colin Bonnett (4 points) who doesn't seem to do anything special, and looks a bit lost at both ends of the floor at times. Do any IWU followers find this unusual?

Several IWU fans have naturally been mentioning Dolan as an all-conference player. Did he appear to be such last evening? It may not matter because if IWU does not make the conference tournament, it's likely only their best player, Trevor Seibring, will, very deservingly, be selected.

I have always thought Alec Bausch was a solid player. Accordingly, I was surprised he saw zero minutes last night even though he was dressed and took part in warmups. He has played in 21 of 22 games with 3 starts, and averages 6.7 PPG. He also has 122 rebounds, 2nd high on the team! There must be a good reason for his absence?


14
Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 06, 2016, 12:36:51 am »
IWU grads are generally pretty good writers!   LOL   :)

'70

Notwithstanding the fact that the compositions of some of those graduates, especially those active in this particular forum on a regular basis, often provide evidence to the contrary.  ;)

15
Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 05, 2016, 05:02:26 pm »
But, I want to say how impressive it is to watch these kids live and in person sitting in the 3rd or 4th row from the floor.  So many of them are so fast and so big.  You just don't necessarily capture that watching the streaming.

That is the thing about Division III...I have seen my share of Division I games, including some of the best of the Missouri-Kansas Border War games, and sit in the 3rd or 4th row of a Division III game.

Proximity to the court is one of the biggest selling points for D3 basketball, I think. Once you can convince someone who's never seen a D3 game to attend one, so that that person can see for himself just how high the caliber of play really is (i.e., it's not glorified intramurals, which is what a lot of uninformed people think about D3 hoops), then the ability to sit close to the court -- or almost wherever you'd like, typically -- will probably bring them back again.

And the "uninformed people" includes a lot of high school players. I talk to a lot of kids who want to continue playing beyond HS, but who think the only thing out there in basketball land beyond HS is D1. They think if they can't play at the D1 level, or at least at the D2 level if they are fairly intelligent in addition to being skilled athletically, that they will become failures as far as their continued basketball lives are concerned. The key in much of this misguided intelligence is the word "scholarship." I place much, not all, of the blame for that attitude on AAU coaches. Many of today's top HS players, including many who end up as "failures"  ;) in D3, play AAU ball. There is competition among the various AAU coaches to attract good players to keep their programs viable. One of the recruiting tools these guys use is the promise of visibility by major/mid-major/low-major college coaches, along with the high degree of probability that a (D1 or D2) scholarship will ensue, in large part, due to the "connections" the AAU coach has with major college programs. These guys often convince kids who could be very good D3 players, but who are no more than last player on the bench guys, or maybe even walk-ons on scholarship granting teams, that they are better than they really are. And, that with the AAU coach's help, they will certainly get that athletic scholarship that so often translates to success in the young player's minds. Then when a scholarship fails to materialize and a kid sees D3 is his only other option, he often feels like he has failed. This feeling is often connected with the attitude that the kid is "too good for D3." Often, additional competition for D3 institutions then comes to the forefront in the form of NAIA schools. Kids who failed to secure D1 or D2 offers look to NAIAs in large part, because they will be going to the NAIA on full or partial scholarship. So, they won't be failures after all!
However, when these kids see an actual D3 game, again usually up close, many thankfully develop a new appreciation for the level of play exhibited in most D3 games. NOT glorified intramurals after all!
And sure, some kids need those athletic scholarships for a variety of reasons. But for those who don't, and who can handle things financially with an academically based "package," D3 can certainly offer a level of competition that many players and fans alike don't initially realize, and that certainly doesn't equate to being a (basketball) failure by any stretch of the imagination.  :)


Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 267