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Wheaton comes into tomorrow night's game at a perfect 6-0, but having faced teams whose combined records are only 8-28. None is over .500
North Central arrives with a 5-1 record, having faced teams who have compiled a 17-19 record. Their lone loss is to UWSP, also 5-1.

NCC's fortunes are boosted by the fact that, in addition to RB Ryan Kent who sat out last week, they will also get back 6'3" 270 pound DT Peter Mann who has missed the last 3 games.

AndOne? What does the records of opponents matter? Didn't affect Wabash in 2012.  Its not a factor.

Like all statistics, the value is in the eye of the beholder. It might matter a great deal to the 12th person in line, and not at all to the 13th.
To whatever degree the information is of value, you must admit it is traditional information that is usually disseminated prior to contests in many different sports.
Delving more deeply into what you obviously consider a statistical abyss, one might conclude that a record of 6-1 against teams with a combined record of 8-28 is not overly impressive. Another conclusion might be that the information presented doesn't mean squat. Who can argue with ether perspective?
Perhaps just accept it as informational, and attach whatever value to it that you deem appropriate, while allowing others to do the same.  :-X  ;)


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Wheaton comes into tomorrow night's game at a perfect 6-0, but having faced teams whose combined records are only 8-28. None is over .500
North Central arrives with a 5-1 record, having faced teams who have compiled a 17-19 record. Their lone loss is to UWSP, also 5-1.

NCC's fortunes are boosted by the fact that, in addition to RB Ryan Kent who sat out last week, they will also get back 6'3" 270 pound DT Peter Mann who has missed the last 3 games.

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2014-2015 NORTH CENTRAL ROSTER

Varsity/JV still to be determined, and uniform numbers assigned.

http://northcentralcardinals.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball

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North Region football / Re: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: October 23, 2014, 09:38:49 pm »
BIG PLAYS-

As previously reported by USee, Wheaton has 18 plays of over 20 yards so far this season. 5 have gone for TDs.
North Central has almost twice as many at 35, including 15 TDs.

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North Region football / Re: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: October 23, 2014, 07:09:42 pm »
If you feel I've given away any trade secrets, ncc_fan, I apologize.

The problem, however, with that perception is that it is a well publicized fact that Ryan probably could have played last week, but was held out of action to assure he would be 100% or close to it for Wheaton.

This information appeared in at least 2 newspapers, and, I believe, was even mentioned on NCC's own web site!!! Accordingly, your angst toward me is misdirected.

Additionally, the Wheaton team and fans aren't stupid. They read the same stuff that is available to us, and they know the score.

Lastly, have you considered my dissemination of the concerned material isn't really that serious of a transgression? Let the Wheaties prepare for Kent, as they would anyway. If he, for whatever reason, doesn't start, the element of surprise is ours!  :)

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North Region football / Re: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: October 23, 2014, 05:25:27 pm »
THOUGHTS ON NCC @ WC

* NCC gladly gets their #1 RB, Ryan Kent back for this game, after his being held out last week following a minor injury 2 weeks ago. WC has a very good RB in Jesse Geary, but in direct comparison he has about 100 less rushing yards in one more game played than Kent. However Geary has the skill to have a great game at any time as evidenced by last year's NCC game in which he was excellent.
I sense the factor that can tilt the running game in the Cardinal's favor can be their depth. As good as Kent is, and remember he is coming off a week of inactivity, the Cards have 3 other very good backs. Speedy/shifty O'Shayne Brown had 84 yards on only 7 carries, a 12.0 average, last week. For the season he is averaging  6.1. Powerful Zach Pattat checks in at 5.3, and versatile Matt Randolph, also a very good receiver out of the backfield, runs for a whopping 7.2 average.
Little do I know, but while Ryan Kent should be the primary back, I feel liberal employment of all these guys will cause the WC run defense fits, considering the unique primary skill set each brings to the action.

* Both QBs are inexperienced. I don't know enough about Peltz to comment. NCC's Warden has misfired to a number of wide open receivers. He needs to set his feet and step into his throws. When he fails to find an open target or isn't well protected by the O line, he is an excellent escape artist, averaging almost 6 yards a carry. Which young QB will maintain his poise and deliver in the clutch?

* From what I have read about the WC D, it seems their strength is great LB play from ALL 3 backers. I would guess they will usually pack the box in an attempt to stuff the Cards ground game. If so, the Redbird receivers need to find space/seams over the LBs and in front of or between the WC DB zones, and Warden needs to control his usual initial happy feet tendency, set and find the open man, and HIT him.

* NCC does well in stopping the run. Not so well vs the pass. If WC insists on running I think they play to NCC's hand. Rather it seems the Orange need to use the pass to set up the run rather than vice versa. Getting the Red D thinking pass might well open some space and allow Geary to get to the second level.

* I see the very real possibility of a close game wherein 3 sub plots beyond the obvious running and passing totals may well be the deciding factors.

1. Turnovers. If either team can force +2 TOs, they likely win. If one can get to +3, I think you almost certainly have a winner.
2. BIG plays. Whether by pass, run, or return, if one team can break +2 big plays, it will go a long way in contributing to a W.
3. The kicking game. Which kicker can hit the pressure FG? Which punter can employ hang time and directional kicking to help keep the other bottled up in their own end?

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North Region football / Re: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: October 23, 2014, 02:54:58 pm »
Per the Pantagraph, Donovan Laible is injured and will not start at QB against Elmhurst.  Outside chance Jack Warner gets cleared to play but sounds like IWU will be starting their 4th QB of the season.

http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/football/staying-outside-perfectly-fine-for-iwu-s-klein/article_5045b18c-bac2-5af7-a414-3b7bef78a19f.html

This is almost too hard to believe. When is the last time a team started 4 different QBs in the same season? Never?
Not to wish any ill-will to Mr. Warner, but if he can't play, it will be interesting to see who will be named as QB #4.

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Top 25 talk
« on: October 23, 2014, 02:28:44 pm »
And I don't say that as a CCIW partisan, because it certainly wouldn't break my heart if Grey Giovanine never had a chance to cut down the nets in Salem.

+1

The entire CCIW feels exactly the same way. If you took a poll of CCIW fans, especially those who regularly post on D3Hoops and who are, in my opinion, the most knowledgable about the goings on within the conference, Coach G would win the Most Disliked Poll by a wide margin. And, I think a vote among his fellow coaches would yield the same result.

He may be the nicest guy in Rock Island off the court, and anyone who says he isn't a great tactical coach just plain doesn't know basketball. However his on court antics/rants are legendary, especially including his stomp, stomp, stomp dance, running wave-off dance, and his famous world record coat toss routine.

As far as Augie's pre-season ranking, I think the voters nailed that one.

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North Region football / Re: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: October 21, 2014, 12:08:32 pm »
Wheaton derails NCC this week. I'll say it and deal with the consequences of not explaining my prediction. All four of the games really could go either way and I wouldn't be surprised.

A small wager on your assertion, Son of T?

Why small?  If Son of T is so confident let's make it a "real" wager!

Alas, but the weekly allowance the Queen gives this poor knave is but a pittance.  >:(

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North Region football / Re: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: October 20, 2014, 11:55:20 pm »
Wheaton derails NCC this week. I'll say it and deal with the consequences of not explaining my prediction. All four of the games really could go either way and I wouldn't be surprised.

A small wager on your assertion, Son of T?

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: October 20, 2014, 11:50:03 pm »
A tweener indeed. Not that I am a social media superstar, but I do know the difference between a tweener and a tweeter. Returning to my investigator roots, a little investigation reveals my new iPad sometimes changes words to what it thinks the poster means. In typing "tweener" 5 times, it changed it to "tweeter" each time. It seems my mistake in this case was to believe what I typed was what appeared on the screen.  :D

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: October 20, 2014, 04:34:32 pm »
Speaking of Whitney Young grads, one will be playing in the CCIW This season.
Erwin Henry, a starter on Young's 2014 IL State Championship team is a member of this season's North Central team. Erwin was the 4th leading scorer and rebounder on a team where the top 3 players went to Duke, Georgetown, and St.. Louis. Erwin is a 6'2" "tweeter," who may be a college 2 or 3. It's quite possible he will see time at both positions. While there are usually few freshmen starters in the CCIW, and also relatively few who even see appreciable minutes, I feel Erwin will almost assuredly be one of the latter, and be a meaningful contributor for this year's Cardinals.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: October 20, 2014, 03:42:27 pm »
Does anyone have any word on any CCIW-related exhibitions/scrimmages prior to the start of the season?  I need a fix.

NCC SCRIMMAGES:

1. 10/29 vs. Concordia-Chicago @ 6:30

2. 11/6 vs. U of Chicago @ 7:00

Both at home in Naperville

Thanks, Mark.  I appreciate that.  Speaking of U of C, whatever happened to those two Whitney Young guards reputed to have D1 potential/interest?  Did they enroll at U of C, are they playing, and, if so, why aren't we hearing more about them?  That was a couple of years ago, wasn't it?  I figured I might do better with this question on this board.  And, while we're at it, is there any word on the basketball comings and goings of Luke Johnson?

No problems, Pete.

Luke "I'm too good for D3" Johnson-

No D1 offers out of HS, so from Wheaton Academy to, in the most logical progression  ???, Carthage. Yep, Carthage.
2011-2012--Played at Carthage where as a 6'9" 230 pound PF, "Softy" Johnson disdained much under the basket contact and preferred to hang out beyond the arc and launch three bombs. He left Carthage after telling Bosko "I'm a D1 player. I'm a future NBA player."
2012-2013--After leaving D3 Carthage, the D1 and future NBA player apparently took a wrong turn (or 2), and showed up at Benedictine! Yep, Benedictine. Stayed 1 year and left because, again, "I'm a D1 player. I'm a future NBA player."
2013-2014--Not known to have played anywhere. Apparently just sat around on his $ss waiting for the D1 offers to roll in. Reportedly, there was interest in/contact by/of Evansville, Loyola Il, NIU, UNLV, & Wichita St. Not known if the interest/contacts were by the schools or, more likely, Johnson.
2014-2015--Like the infamous D-Day, Johnson's current status is "Whereabouts Unknown." Perhaps he has enrolled at the renowned D1 University of Mars where his dad, who may be even further removed from reality than Luke, was recently hired as the AD.  8-)

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North Region football / Re: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: October 20, 2014, 02:25:15 pm »
AndOne- My point isn't that it is not cool to be happy your Alma Mater won a football game.  I am too happy Elmhurst won a game.  What I am pointing out, is don't gloat over a win and big stats, when your competition is the lower 1/3 of your league.  It wasn't that long ago, EC was in NPU's shoes struggling to get a 500 CCIW record consistently.  I don't stand for gloating when your competition is not that great.  If Elmhurst beats NC and WC (which I think will be very tough), and manages to sneak out a road victory this week at IWU, then I can see sticking out your chest a little more.

79--I hope you don't think I disagree with you one bit.  ;D

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North Region football / Re: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: October 20, 2014, 02:21:53 pm »

In my mind there are only a couple reasons your QB would lead the team in rushes and yards. 1-You run an option offense (Wheaton does not), 2-He is the best runner you have.

Other, not quite as great football minds  ;) might add:

1. The receivers lack the ability to run designated routes or, especially, lack the speed and/or strength to separate themselves from their defenders;
2. What seems the most obvious reason--THE QB JUST ISN'T THAT GOOD OF A PASSER.

Over the years, we have seen this time and time again even at D1 schools so its not surprising this would extend to the D3 level.

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