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Bradley fired Geno Ford yesterday... I've been told Augustana's Grey Giovanine will be a leading candidate for the job.

If The Stomper leaves Augie, it won't be for Bradley. The position has been filled by Green Bay's Brian Wardle.
Odds now seem to favor GG being back in RI again next season. We'll see.

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: 2015 NCAA Tournament
« on: Yesterday at 10:14:55 pm »
If it's any consolation, Greek, I was also amazed Point won.  ;)

However, what might be even more amazing is that in the 12 years you reference, only 6 different teams have won the championship.

Yeah. That is pretty crazy with 4 teams having won it at least twice in just that span.
Obviously UW-Stevens Point should move up to D2  :D
/sarcasm

How about they get to stay in D3, but they have to double their tuition.  ;)  :o  ;D

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: 2015 NCAA Tournament
« on: Yesterday at 09:01:58 pm »
If it's any consolation, Greek, I was also amazed Point won.  ;)

However, what might be even more amazing is that in the 12 years you reference, only 6 different teams have won the championship.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: March 26, 2015, 07:45:56 pm »

Sac is right about the year in question. Just because its called a "tournament" doesn't mean it really was, and neither does the fact that T-shirts may have been printed saying Tip-Off Tournament.

This may re-open that can of worms as to whether Wheaton or North Central gives out a better-quality t-shirt for their respective opening tournaments. ;)

I concede the T-shirt question to Wheaton, but Naperville/NCC has at least 2-3 pizza places that are superior to anything you'll find north of Butterfield Rd.  ;D

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: March 26, 2015, 12:59:09 am »
Yes Obi Wan.
The force has spoken.  ;)

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: March 25, 2015, 11:48:27 pm »
You are missing the point that Hope v North Central on Saturday of that weekend was predetermined.  You can call it a tournament all you want but it was a "classic" format.

The NCC opening weekend has always been called the Tip-Off Tournament.
However, some years it has been run as a "true" tournament where the losers the first night play each other the second night, and the 1st night winners due likewise. Other years it has been operated in a classic format where there are predetermined opponents on both nights.
Sac is right about the year in question. Just because its called a "tournament" doesn't mean it really was, and neither does the fact that T-shirts may have been printed saying Tip-Off Tournament.

* Seems confirmed by Pat's above post.  :)

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: March 25, 2015, 11:36:57 pm »
Even in one of the best conferences, you need to go better than 8-6. That's just not going to cut it.

All the talk about scheduling weaker ... how about just inviting D3 teams to your home tournament? That's a start.

I think North Central was on the table at the end but was a roadblock.

Bopol,

In the end it doesn't matter how you compare RRO for North Central vs. Springfield or anyone else -- at .667 winning percentage vs. D-III schools, they simply were not getting in without an automatic bid. So one more win (Millikin, perhaps), or scheduling someone else to open the season, might well have gotten them in the tournament. You've spent a lot of time breaking down something that I suspect the committee probably didn't even talk about because they didn't make this particular committee's basic baseline.

(emphasis mine)

Some points are so good that they're worth making twice, eh, Pat? ;)

North Central's advocates Mark and bopol have yet to address the issue of the baffling choices Todd Raridon has made for opening-round opponents in the NCC Tipoff Tournament. This past season it was Trinity International, an NAIA team and therefore a wasted game in terms of Pool C qualifications. Last season it was Valor Christian College (formerly World Harvest Bible College), a USCAA school and thus just as useless in Pool C terms as was this year's opener against TIU. Two years ago, the Tipoff Tourney opener for the Cardinals was Illinois Tech, which was then beginning its transition into D3 and thus didn't count for Pool C purposes.

For the two seasons prior to that, NCC opened with a D3 regional foe, so nobody could fault Todd Raridon for that. But the year before, 2009-10, he opened with Oberlin in the Tipoff Tourney -- and at that time a game against Oberlin, a Great Lakes Region program, did not count towards Pool C's regional criteria. The year before that the Cards opened with a D3 regional foe (MacMurray), but then faced an NAIA opponent (Mount Vernon Nazarene) in the Tipoff Tourney title game the next night. And the previous year, the Cards played not one, but two non-D3 opponents in the Tipoff Tourney: the aforementioned World Harvest Bible College, and (then-NAIA) Lindenwood.

Most years Todd Raridon just throws away opening night in terms of Pool C criteria. I have no idea why. North Central's CCIW neighbors to the north never seem to have any trouble finding a D3 team to beat up schedule for the opening night of the Pfund -- and I doubt that Wheaton offers better pizza, nicer tourney t-shirts, or bigger trophies. ;) If you're a coach who really cares about getting Pool C berths, you learn to schedule the way that the administrative powers that be in D3 want you to schedule ... and that means, first and foremost, scheduling D3 teams. Heck, it's even easier to set up a criteria-friendly schedule now, since regionality has been lessened in importance with regard to D3 scheduling. And if the reason why NCC ends up playing USCAA and NAIA schools in the Tipoff Tourney is because Todd Raridon has trouble finding D3 opponents who want to come to the airplane hangar to start their seasons, then perhaps it's time for him to scrap that tournament and use those two non-conference scheduling slots more strategically.

Every year non-MIAA people used to rag on Hope and Calvin in the MIAA room for wasting regular-season games on the likes of Cornerstone, Aquinas, Grace Bible, and other southwestern Michigan non-D3 opponents. Seems to me that NCC deserves some of the same sort of criticism.


Greg-

Your "criticism" has some merit, but there are also some extenuating circumstances that would not be known to other than someone close to the NCC program.
First of all, let me state that my opinion, especially after what occurred this year, is that ALL non-conference games should be scheduled against D3 teams, and the weaker those teams, the better. I say this because I believe the NCAA has demonstrated that the primary determining factor in Pool C selection is W/L record. Schedule all D3s, and win a large percentage and the chances you'll be invited to the big dance are good. However, that said, its not my team and my opinion is just that-an opinion. At any rate here is some information relative to the scheduling of teams appearing in the NCC Tip-Off Tourney in recent years.

2014-15--Trinity International. I don't know why they were scheduled. Maybe the allure of beautiful downtown NaPPerville isn't what it once was.
2013-14--Valor Christian. Disappointing, but not surprising. The problem this season is that in coming off their Final Four appearance, nobody was very anxious to play the Cardinals. The staff made about 25 calls attempting to convince various teams to come to the opening tournament. I know because I was in the office when some of those calls were made. Being unable to convince a "real" team to attend, NCC just had to finally fill the spot. Valor's inclusion by default was not for lack of trying.
2012-13. While not as definite as in 2013-14, somewhat of the same problem in that NCC was expected to be a very good team and others weren't exactly beating down the Gregory Areana doors. IL Tech called and said they would like to come to the opening tournament, and their offer was accepted. as it turned out, scheduling them became a moot point as NCC went not only to the Big Dance, but the Final Four as well.
2011-12--D3 opponent. No problem
2010-11--Same
2009-10--Oberlin-a D3, but not a regional opponent under the then definition. This was a late substitution as one of the WIAC schools, I believe it was LaCrosse, backed out very, very late. At that late date, it was a stroke of luck to find a D3 school with an opening.
Thats six years and thats enough. Maybe there was no good pizza in Naperville before that, the T-shirts were made out of polyester, and the trophies were tiny. Possibly all of the above. Who knows?

 

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: March 24, 2015, 11:15:14 pm »
Greg-

Your stance regarding all the CCIW schools currently having the right staffs and visions in place might be forced to take a step or two left or right if Giovanine leaves Augustana.  :-\

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: March 24, 2015, 04:35:10 pm »
Bradley fired Geno Ford yesterday... I've been told Augustana's Grey Giovanine will be a leading candidate for the job.

Should "Stomper" Giovanine leave for Bradley or any other institution, at least 3 questions immediately arise:
1. Will his leaving result in the "decommittment" of any recruits who have already cast their lot with AC?  ???
2. Will long term aide Tom Jessee accompany him?
3. Who will be the leading candidates to replace him, and will Jessee be one of those considered?

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: March 24, 2015, 04:10:42 pm »
Only because I happen to be watching the Twitter feed and not because I care at all about prospect announcements (because, I really don't):

@NCCBasketball - Happy to announce the official commitment of 6'8 St. Charles East big man, Jack Bronec! #WeAreNC #d3h

A very good get for the NCC Cardinals, the 6'8" 215 pound Bronec centered the St. Charles East team this past season, and helped lead them to a 24-4 record. Jack began his HS career as a member of the freshman 'B' team, and progressed/developed into a varsity starter and key contributor. Further skill development and added strength will yet further that development at the college level.
In addition to North Central, he considered Illinois Wesleyan, Augustana, Carthage, Hope, NAIA institutions Roosevelt and Goshen, and D1 Patriot League member Holy Cross from which he had a full tuition offer.
Jack's addition to the Cardinal squad, and his progression, is viewed as an important factor in helping to fill the void created by the loss to graduation of Charlie Rosenberg and, especially, "Big" Jack Burchett in the middle.


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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: 2015 NCAA Tournament
« on: March 23, 2015, 04:04:14 pm »
VERY cool.  8-)
Thanks.   ;D

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: March 22, 2015, 09:19:36 pm »
Thanks, Dave.
I appreciate your explanation-on both fronts.  :)
I honestly wasn't that impressed with the Salem "experience" when I was there 2 years ago, especially the arena itself. From what you related above it sounds like it would be hard for anyone NOT to be impressed. Another level for sure.
Definitely interested in those time lapses.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: March 22, 2015, 08:37:24 pm »
FYI - one of the best crowd-supported weekends in Salem in a while. UWSP, Augie, Babson all traveled very well and VWC traveled okay. As for getting another location to outbid Salem... I just don't see it happening any more. Salem always raises the bar each year with something new. This year they raised the bar in an incredible way and flat out outdid themselves. It was a great atmosphere that really made it feel like something far bigger. Hats off to them.

As for the North Central debate... I was lead to believe this weekend that North Central wasn't even at the table at the end... though, I can't remember who was there. However, .667 WL% just isn't going to cut it.

Dave-
Can you advise us as to what Salem did this year that you found especially impressive? Was this something hey haven't done previously? Thanks.

As far as the North Central "debate".....if W/L% is so darn important, then it appears that good teams in weak conferences have a big advantage. Beat up on your weak neighbors and practically guarantee yourself a ticket to the big dance. This is especially true if you are in a rather large conference without an abundance of non-conference games. Of course you can further cement your position by also scheduling weak non-conference teams. But watch out once you get in the tournament because you could easily get dumped by the third place team from a strong conference---or even then fourth place team if the committee would let them in.  ;)
And, if you are in a strong conference, you better either be one of the nation's elite teams or schedule weak only D3 teams for you non-conference games. The hell with playing a tough SOS schedule because, as perfectly demonstrated this year, it won't get you anywhere but left at the table, if you even get there!
Augustana and UWSP both only lost 5 games this year. North Central gave each of them 20% of their losses. They also beat 1 game tourney winner IWU. They lost by 3 to 1 game tourney winner Elmhurst, and by 7 to two game tourney winner Dickinson. Yes, they should have won the game they lost by 3 to Elmhurst, and they should never have lost to Millikin. According to Massey, NCC played the 13th most difficult schedule in the country. However, that apparently counts for nothing.
Anyone who knows a basketball from a hole in the wall knows a team with Jack Burchett, Charlie Rosenberg, and Jayme Moten, among others, was one of the 62 or 60 or whatever number of teams were in the tournament. JMHO. The defense rests.  :)

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: March 21, 2015, 05:19:47 pm »
Congrats to UWSP on it's championship.
To Augie too.
I must admit, I thought Augie would win.
Seems like Augie should certainly be next year's pre-season #1.

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Let me be the first CCIWer to congratulate UWSP on their championship. I had said I thought that if Augie got 10+ points behind, they had the ability to come back. Not so much! Point was pretty much dominate throughout!
Makes me appreciate my team's (NCC) win over the Pointers that much more.

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