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If there's been talk of this on the board this summer then i missed it.  Has anyone heard anything about who might be participating in a summer league this year?

I really haven't gotten into it yet this summer, but so far this summer, games that I know of have been played at IL Tech, Trinity, and Benedictine. I'm pretty sure Elmhurst will also be in the picture. I went over to BU at 6:00 Mon night. Full teams there were from North Central, Elmhurst, Loras, and BU. I think there may have been a player or two from one or two other schools as well, but they didn't have school shirts on so I couldn't tell. I understand games are Monday, Wednesday, and sometimes on Sunday. I don't believe start times are always the same. I will check with the NCC guys as far as an established schedule is concerned.

Much appreciated, Mark. Do they start around 7:00 maybe?

Benedictine hosted for the 4th and last time on Wed. Remaining games will be played at Elmhurst, IIT at 3040 S. Wabash in Chicago (with parking under the tracks), and Trinity Christian at 6601 College Dr. in Palos Heights. Games at EC and Trinity start at 6:00. Those at IIT begin at 7:00. Here is the remaining schedule.

ELMHURST--6/20, 6/22, 7/3, 7/17, 7/18, 7/20, 7/25, 7/27, and 8/18.
IIT--6/26, 6/27, 7/10 and 7/11.
TRINITY CHRISTIAN--6/29, 7/6, 7/13, 8/3, 8/10, and 8/17.
As of now, 8/1 and 8:8 are Open Dates.

Games are to 11 by 2s and 3s. No referees, clocks or trainers. Call your own fouls.

Besides BU and the other 3 above hosts, schools listed on the schedule as ''Other Participating Programs'' are Augie, Aurora, Blackburn, IWU, Judson, Loras, North Central, Roosevelt, and Wheaton.
Again, schools often do not have a full team present, and players from 2 or more teams are often combined.

*!f past summers are a guide, dates and times are always subject to change.
EC--John Baines 630-617-3147
IIT--Todd Kelly 773-369-5932
Trinity Christian--Brandon Nicol 708-239-4782


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Recently released figures by the NCAA show that the CCIW led all of Division III in men's basketball attendance during the 2015-16 season.

The conference averaged 875 fans over 96 games for a total attendance of 84,028. The CCIW just edged out the Michigan MIAA which averaged 874 over 81 games for a total of 70,802. The Iowa IIAC, Ohio OAC, and the Wisconsin WIAC, finished 3, 4, and 5 respectively.

Augustana finished second in the nation, averaging 1,757. Hope of the MIAA was the #! team with an average of 2,638.
Three other CCIW schools placed in the top 30 including IWU at #15 with an average of 965, Elmhurst at #18 with an average of 909, and North Central, which averaged 832, at #24.

Attendance Figures for D1, 2, and 3:

http://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/images/2016/06/09/2016_release_mens_basketball_attendance_final.pdf

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Greg,

If I remember correctly, back when several teams first witched to the Deerfield League from the league several conference teams participated in at the Des Plaines Park District, NPU was at least a fairly regular participant. Then they were absent for a few years, but returned at least once, possibly twice during the last 4 years or so that everyone played in Deerfield. For all I know the Deerfield JOG League is still going and Augie and Carthage might still be playing there.

The last 2 years in Deerfield much more closely resembled football or rugby than basketball. The refs, who I strongly suspect were friends and/or family members of the owners in many cases, often stood at half court most of the game, and might take two or three steps over the center line depending on which end of the court play was in at the time. In order for a foul to be called you would basically have to tackle your man. Nonsense for the money the kids were paying.

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If there's been talk of this on the board this summer then i missed it.  Has anyone heard anything about who might be participating in a summer league this year?

NPU's got a team in the league at DePaul Prep that John Hodel is running. NPU used to play in his league every summer when he held it at the Broadway Armory, but he's changed locations. Jim Oboikowich, Adam Dauksas, and a bunch of other CCIW alumni who live in the area used to have a team in Hodel's league, too. I don't know if they still do.

In addition to the  Hodel league, NPU would sometimes also play in Deerfield. Other CCIW teams that played in Deerfield but that aren't participating in the open gym format were Augustana, and Carthage which always had at least two teams in Deerfield, and often three. Wisconsin schools Lawrence and St. Norbert also fielded teams in Deerfield which unfortunately just got too expensive and too football like on top of the already long distance many kids had to navigate.

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Go,

If a non-evangelical student-athlete wants to go to college and play a sport, he has a multitude of choices to begin, and still likely has several choices after he narrows those choices to either a certain region, type of school, or even to the conference level. I don't know how many colleges across the country subscribe to the same religious philosophy as Wheaton, but I am sure the number can't be classified as multitudinous. Therefore, an evangelical kid has fewer choices which means a school like Wheaton initially has less competition for a kid. Also, as you yourself indicated, WC enjoys a strong national reputation within the community.

Given these facts, it seems to me that the smaller number of Wheaton type schools to begin with, plus Wheaton's top reputation within that relatively small number, combine to actually make Wheaton a very attractive choice. So much so, I would think that often times kids actually recruit themselves TO Wheaton, rather than Wheaton having to always go out searching and competing for their services. Accordingly, I would respectfully submit that while WC certainly doesn't always have an advantage when it comes to recruiting, such is often the case.  JMHO. :)

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If there's been talk of this on the board this summer then i missed it.  Has anyone heard anything about who might be participating in a summer league this year?

As with the past couple of summers, several area teams have recently begun getting together for summer "league." Many of the teams who have been doing this for the last 2-3 summers used to play in the Deerfield Summer League at the Joy of the Game facility for several years. However, the quality of the officiating there had been declining for several years and had reached the point where the games more closely resembled football scrimmages. On top of that, the facility's new owners raised the team entry fee a couple of times. With the poor officiating, the high cost, and the long drive for many of the players, it got to the point of not being worth it. That's when the kids basically formed their own "league" with most of the games being played at Benedictine and Elmhurst with no fees, and the kids calling their own fouls. Its basically an open gym concept. Depending on how many show up from each school on any given night you often have mixed teams composed of players from different schools.

I really haven't gotten into it yet this summer, but so far this summer, games that I know of have been played at IL Tech, Trinity Int'l and Benedictine. I'm pretty sure Elmhurst will also be in the picture. I went over to BU at 6:00 Mon night. Full teams there were from North Central, Elmhurst, Loras, and BU. I think there may have been a player or two from one or two other schools as well, but they didn't have school shirts on so I couldn't tell. I understand games are Monday, Wednesday, and sometimes on Sunday. I don't believe start times are always the same. I will check with the NCC guys as far as an established schedule is concerned.

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Lastly, FWIW, and I realize many WC fans will probably not concur, I agree Wheaton enjoys a very visible national reputation within the evangelical community. And that, because of that degree of visibility and distinguished reputation, the Wheaton recruiting profile casts a wide net that results in their recruiting goals being no more difficult to achieve than any other CCIW member.  :)

No question. Wheaton has a specific product to sell and a large population of potential buyers who find that product attractive.  I would say they have a general recruiting advantage over the CCIW average.

With the primary distinctive advantage being that none of the conference competition sells that same product and, my limited knowledge of the philosophy involved notwithstanding, I believe only one conference foe sells anything even closely resembling the Wheaton brand.

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I think the primary consideration with regard to WC bringing in a small recruiting class, and I believe its a point Greg Sager touched on earlier, is not so much the size of the class, but how do they compliment what the Orange already have on board. There is nothing wrong with a class of 5 provided at least a couple of them produce, and I mean quickly.. Otherwise you add another basically empty shelf to a cupboard which doesn't come very fully stocked to begin with. Because Wheaton graduated their 2 best players and 2 other regular rotation seniors, they need productive players NOW. And the laws of probability would seem to suggest the the more players you bring in, the better the chances are that you will add some of that needed talent. Teams like the current NCC and NPU teams ALREADY have considerable talent on board, and in those cases just need to fill in a specific need or two. For instance, NCC needs to replace their graduated 2 guard and sixth man. NPU, of course, has major talent at the guard and small forward spots, and needs bigs with talent. They have the luxury of targeting a specific area or two whereas WC needs to look for almost an entirely new cast.

In looking more closely at the WC personnel, it appears to this poster that the talent levels are highest at the 2G spot in the person of Ricky Samuelson, and at SF where I like Murad Dillard. Mike Schauer needs to find a starting PG, PF, and C from among the returnees or recruits as well as the additional players who will be regular members of the rotation. Somebody will occupy those spots. A bigger recruiting class would have likely increased the chances that the players who eventually do, will fill the Wheaton jerseys not only with a body, but also with the level of talent necessary to lift the Orange up a few rungs on the conference ladder.

Lastly, FWIW, and I realize many WC fans will probably not concur, I agree Wheaton enjoys a very visible national reputation within the evangelical community. And that, because of that degree of visibility and distinguished reputation, the Wheaton recruiting profile casts a wide net that results in their recruiting goals being no more difficult to achieve than any other CCIW member.  :)

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I apologize if this has previously been reported.
Today, the Chicago Bears announced they have waived QB Matt Blanchard and signed Dalyn Williams who played at national powerhouse ;) Dartmouth. In 2015 Williams passed for 2,592 yards and 17 TDs with 5 INTs.
I've always thought Blanchard was at least as good as any 3rd team QB who was signed/retained over him, and could due a nice job if given the opportunity.

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Holy crapoly. If he received a medical redshirt, he might only be a rising sophomore rather than a rising junior as first reported. 😉

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Consider it my contribution to adult edumacation for today, Mark. ;)

I don't need no edumacation!  🎓
I don't need no thought control. 👦
All in all, you're just another brick in the wall.  ;)

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Well, I thought I knew what "rising" meant, but I never saw/heard it used in a basketball 🏀, or any other sport, context before.
I have seen "will be a junior" used when referencing a recruit, and there is no doubt as to the meaning of that phraseology, just as you would maintain there is no doubt what "rising junior" means in reference to to a recruit's academic/eligibility status.  :)

As Mr. Sikma's above post would seem to confirm, I would submit I'm not the only one who isn't/wasn't aware of what "rising" means with regard to a college student/recruit.  ;D

However, I can now concur and say Well, I didn't know before what the term 'rising' meant when referring to college students, and now I do.  ;)  8-)

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Billy Kirby, a 6'1, 180 rising -junior guard from Mundelein Carmel via Cardinal Stritch, has deposited at North Park.

Last season at Cardinal Stritch he started 18 games for the Wolves, averaging 5.3 ppg in about 20 minutes per game and shooting 39% from downtown.

What in the heck is a "rising" junior guard?  ???  Is he still growing?
Maybe he'll be 6'3" next year.  ;D

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic here or truly don't know but it's actually a pretty common phrasing to use "rising" to indicate the fact that he'll be a junior in the fall, rather than having been a junior this past season. In between seasons, it's not a problem to provide a little clarity.

Pat,

However surprised you might be, I truly am not familiar with the terminology.  :o
Call me dumb and/or smite me if you must.
I have seen the word used a couple of times in describing a player, but I honestly thought it had something to do with either eligibility or future development potential.

If a player will be a junior next year, it seems like saying "Billy Kirby, a 6'1" guard from Mundelien Carmel via Cardinal Stritch, has deposited at NPU. He will be a junior in the fall," would suffice without being superfluous.

I guess I need to go review my Glossary of Basketball Terminology booklet.  ;)

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Billy Kirby, a 6'1, 180 rising -junior guard from Mundelein Carmel via Cardinal Stritch, has deposited at North Park.

Last season at Cardinal Stritch he started 18 games for the Wolves, averaging 5.3 ppg in about 20 minutes per game and shooting 39% from downtown.

What in the heck is a "rising" junior guard?  ???  Is he still growing?
Maybe he'll be 6'3" next year.  ;D

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Wheaton's recruits including a 2 sport athlete

http://athletics.wheaton.edu/news/2016/6/7/the-thunder-mens-basketball-program-announces-newcomers.aspx

Wheaton was 1-13 in the CCIW last year, lost their 2 best players and 4 rotation seniors. 

Regarding this year's class--"we intentionally pursued a smaller group."   -Mike Schauer.   

I don't want to come across as the Ourhouse of Wheaton College but this statement is a real head scratcher.   I'd think any CCIW coach coming off a 1-13 season would make every effort to bring in as much talent as he can.  You never know exactly how good these kids will be until they get on campus.   I guess now it's clear why the talent level at Wheaton has dropped so much.   Follow up bad seasons with less recruiting. 

Someone tell me I'm wrong.

Not at all sure I can tell you that, Izzy.
The logic does seem a bit confusing.
Perhaps Coach Schauer knows something about his returning players that we don't, and that precludes the need for much new help?  :-\

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