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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: October 16, 2019, 06:07:52 pm »
Exactly, any component of SOS that involves what your opponent does subsequent to when you play them OWP or even more irrelevant IMO what's their OOWP, (opponents opponents winning percentage) does seems to be totally out of your control and ultimately meaningless.

Out of control doesn't equate to meaningless, though. Even if you can't control the record of who you played against, nonetheless, you played against them.

The only way to make that meaningless is to run the table/win your automatic bid.
Bartman likes UfanBill but must say he supports Pat's comments because Bartman loves all of the stats, SOS, OWP,OOWP and every other statistic that makes the team comparisons for the NCAA tournament....although, Bartman thinks total tonnage of the teams' largest 50 players plus the 10 highest player SAT scores should be considered as this statistic has predicted success in the playoffs on a more consistent basis than SOS(this has actually been documented by Hansen...I think)

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: October 16, 2019, 11:13:29 am »
Congratulations to this weeks Award winners:

Offensive Performer of the Week: Ray Conley, Hobart
Defensive Performer of the Week: Emmett Forde, Hobart
Special Teams Performer of the Week: Kyle Hackett, Hobart
Rookie of the Week: Nicholas Bahamonde, Ithaca
Honor Roll: Jordan Evert, Buffalo State; Nick Garone, Ithaca; Ike Irabor, Union; Cass Knox, Union; Andrew Vito, Ithaca

One of the reasons for the Hobart improvement on defense is Emmett Forde, a 5'9" 195 pounder that is fast, agile and hits live a brick. So far this season he has 53 tackles( 27 solo), 15.5 TFL's for 58 yards, 4 sacks, 2 Interceptions (for 71 return yards) and 2 forced fumbles. The 3-4 defense allows the Hobart LBs to get stats as the DEs give their bodies up on many plays, but these stats are crazy good....but more importantly, Emmett seems to make plays when it counts.

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: October 15, 2019, 03:34:34 pm »
Bartman moves up to 26-6 on the LL picking season after 3-0 week, and LL remains 15-11 in OOC games




Hobart               17 (41)      RPI                   14 (27)        GAME OF THE WEEK: A defensive slug fest , could go either way. Hobart stays alive for Buttermilk  ;D Engineers are  soft as Hobart ahead 38-7 in fourth quarter before garbage time.

Ithaca                42(48)     Buffalo State      14(14)     The Germ continues to pad his stats CHECK

Union                45 (47)     Yellowjackets      7(19)       Union gets everyone involved but loses the shutout CHECK

WEEK 7:

Rochester           28                      Buffalo State       27             Yellowjackets get first sting,  missed PAT separates these young teams

Union                 42                      St. Lawrence       17             Union only has problems defending the pass  on a couple of series

Ithaca                   33                    Hobart                35                GOTW:The Germ  throws for 400+ but Hobart D slows IC down in the Redzone as they settle for 4 FGs, while Hobart gets 5 TDs  for the historic upset
                                         

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: October 15, 2019, 02:59:43 pm »
Love the discussion and I think Wesley is way overrated at 15.  I am not sure if they should even be in the top 25 based on what I have seen this year.  Past bias certainly plays into it.
Wesleydad , always informed and objective. I will say I have watched the Wolverines in past years that had smothering defenses and efficient offenses ( both running and passing), but this year's team seems a bit off from the glory years. As far as the LL rankings,  I know Union is good because we played them and they are legit, no excuses. Ithaca at #9 seems a bit inflated based on the schedule to date, but this Saturday will be the measuring stick. The rankings don't mean much until the NCAA Regional rankings sort things out. I was selfishly looking for Hobart's NJAC opponents  Montclair and Rowan to upset Salisbury and Wesley to help our SOS stats, but you both escaped with  wins. Looks like the NJAC is very tight this year in talent , I know the 2 we played were very physical .Good luck to the Wolverines the rest of the way.

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East Region football / Re: East Region Fan Poll
« on: October 15, 2019, 02:15:30 pm »

Hansen looking at Oline, as he reconsiders the D3 football ranking algorithm?

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: October 14, 2019, 08:32:16 pm »
UfanBill,
      Just beat the Larries by 3 touchdowns and youíre in😀, but if Hobart beats Ithaca the U will be ranked below Hobart because.....well, just because ???

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East Region football / Re: FB: Empire 8
« on: October 14, 2019, 07:43:03 pm »
Pep,
    Love to hear all your recollections. Sorry I missed the scrimmage this year .When  the Saxons travel to the Boz for a future game, your Pep Band will be warmly welcomed. BTW, the Pep Band from RPI started a conversation to start one at HWS, that would include Geneva Community members to enhance the town-gown relationship.A big Pep Band can help fill the stands as many students watch the game on the internet .

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: October 14, 2019, 03:20:07 pm »
Last Saturday, there were 18 games played that featured Top 25 teams, and I don't even know how many featuring teams that were also receiving votes, and other fringe teams a voter may want to consider.

It just seems like figuring out a national poll is probably orders of magnitude harder than we're giving it credit for. It's pretty easy for all of us to point out the one or two things we don't agree with, particularly when it relates to one of the half-dozen teams we follow closely. Sure, we might be able to pretty easily say "Huh, RPI is 4-2 and someone thinks they're Top 25?" or "I don't think IC is that much better than the rest of the LL." But the national picture? Forget it.

Pat asked me to be a guest picker one week for the site, and it was incredibly stressful, and all I could think about was "Please don't let me pick some North Region upset that I don't realize is the East equivalent  of Hartwick beating Brockport." If fact, I think I gave him permission to change my pick if he realized I did that.
Very reasonable points, I think I could do the East , but I could totally screw up the other regions and a national poll without making it a full time job to satisfy myself I was being fair .

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: October 14, 2019, 02:32:08 pm »
Every human poll has past performance bias in it -- the trick is finding the right balance, enough to keep Mary Hardin-Baylor and Mount Union at the top of the poll while not holding onto Trine last week or RPI this week.

Not every pollster approaches the job the same way. And not every pollster is invited back the following year, either.

You mean perhaps there's room for Pep in Pat's Prospective Pack of Prolific Pollsters?

 ;D
Pat,
What's the pay?....sounds intimidating,  probably have a complex Hansen algorithm to track efficacy of voters....I think with Pep Band's credentials , he should be a shoe-in :o

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East Region football / Re: FB: Empire 8
« on: October 14, 2019, 02:14:52 pm »
So far several teams have had a head scratching performance! Maybe just unfavorable match ups, poor performances, etc....Cortlandís was this past weekend, Ithacaís was v SJF. While  Brockport couldnít score an offensive point on Framingham, and the list goes on. Not sure anyone is a clear cut favorite in their conferenceS but then again, Iím here typing from my couch and not on a field coaching. Canít wait til next Saturday!

What's next Saterday?
Pep,
     Good luck to Alfred against the Red Dragons. I just wanted your opinion on a Pep Band matter, specifically, RPI's Pep Band(no Hockey game that night I guess) brought 20 instruments and signs to the Boz that read "Hobart Still Sucks"(by they way they..... had 3 large awesome Sousaphones) , now is this  Pep Band appriopriate? ...maybe I should shrug it off to the current world we live in; however , it ended up being quite motivational for the Statesmen.....oh, and they also had one kazoo

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East Region football / Re: East Region Fan Poll
« on: October 14, 2019, 01:59:43 pm »
I decided to give Wilkes a votefor #10 just because they are undefeated going into game with Delaware Valley....ex Hobart Offensive Coordinator Drach might disrupt the MAC world  order

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: October 14, 2019, 12:34:15 pm »
I just looked at the Top 25 poll and PA's comments are certainly valid, but Wesley always gets the votes based on past rep and Delaware Valley gets some of that based on some very credible teams in the past, despite the fact that they are both one loss teams although losing to strong competition by fairly close scores. Ithaca is getting about a 5 slot bump because of the Germinerio transfer, I gurarantee you that if Nabi was the starting QB and the scores were the same, including the escape from Fisher, they would be ranked lower. So reputation and attention counts , just a fact, voters are human and not robots.  It is always difficult to do polls unless you have spent time watching film or seeing the teams compete in person, so East fans are frustrated by most of the voters not having enough data to make a more fine tuned assessment . The RPI win over Germinerio's  Brockport last year was big for the LL, and D3Football.com has raised the LL conference rankings off the back of that and Hobart's OOC 4-0 results, IMO. Union not being ranked after beating Hobart, seeing how Hobart just blasted RPI, makes absolutely no sense based on performance to date. Ranking 4-1 Delaware Valley and Wesley ahead of Union is just past program performance bias in my opinion. I think Hobart got a  little of that program fairy dust from voters at times in the past, but with the Germinerio transfer I think that dust falls on the Bombers this year . Union has no special program voting dust/bias, because the glory days were  long ago. So other than Ithaca , the LL remaining contenders will have to beat Ithaca plain and simple. IF Union and Hobart can do it, Union should be in the top 10. IF Hobart can do that, then the LL should have 3 teams in the top 25, because we just might have 3 rocking teams in the league....A big IF for Hobart this week, as I am sure there isn't  anyone other than a Hobart fan that would bet against  Germinerio...but then again, ITH thought RPI had a 10 point advantage over Hobart....so screw the rankings and the experts and win your games cause the NCAA Regional Rankings will be the only ones that ultimately count.

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: October 14, 2019, 10:52:52 am »
Well since the end of last season, and particularly since the Spring, we all knew that the LL championship was going through Ithaca this year.  Hobart gets the first shot this weekend.  RPI game was surprisingly easy for the Pumkins, so they were able to rest their starters for the last quarter.  They are clearly battle tested, and banged up, but peaking both on O and D this week.  IC has put up some serious offensive stats this year, but hasn't seen a defense as fast as Hobart yet.  Looking forward to a big week.  Battle of the Lakes!!
Seneca is bigger and deeper than baby sister Cayuga and her Seamonsters are much more deadly.

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: October 14, 2019, 09:47:19 am »
At the end of the day, Hobart will have their shot this week. Some great games between the two teams these last few years, so I'm looking forward to this one.

And if Ithaca does manage to get by Hobart, then it's probably a pair of 7-0 teams going at it in Union. Can't imagine the Bombers losing to Rochester

I'm less concerned about RPi. All the contending teams in the E8 have their share of wins over lousy competition, but RPI is the only one that has two losses outside of that.
Bombers,
        A good game coming up at Butterworth as Hobart has its confidence on offense peaking after the RPI performance which is the key to beating an IC team with Germinerio . IC will get points , for sure, but the stong Hobart D should stop a decent % of the IC drives...and the reality is the Hobart offense will need to outscore the Bombers on Saturday and the RPI game performance just made that possibility more likely. Looking forward to a good D3 football game.


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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: October 14, 2019, 08:58:01 am »
At least RPI is still getting votes. I donít know who that voter is, but he can stay in my room.
With Mach hospitality ....RPI top ten this week :D

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