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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: February 08, 2019, 02:49:56 pm »
I just saw that Brandon Shed of Hobart was signed by BC Lions of the CFL.  I am surprised that he was cut by the upstart AAFC, but signed by the CFL.  I guess the new league has the same old bias towards D1 guys, or washed up NFL guys.

That's not surprising in the slightest. Upstart leagues need to establish an audience, and the easiest way to do that is with names people are likely to recognize. Of course they're going to go with name recognition. They also, again obviously, heavily tilt their rosters to players who went to college in that state.

East Region football / Re: FB: Empire 8
« on: February 06, 2019, 10:03:26 am »
His Twitter bio does read "Brockport '20", FWIW.

Ultimately, he's an elite player and I wish him the best, whether it's returning to Port for another run, or wherever he goes. He's helped elevate the East, and for that I'm grateful

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: December 05, 2018, 11:56:54 am »

Don't count your tickets before they are sold. Those are allotted to the schools, but not sold yet, but yes I saw that in the plan. With 6k students, will each school really use 5k tickets? That's going to be a LOT of buses. With normal total attendance of 10k on campus, that seems like a bit of a stretch.

Now I am curious what % of the student bodies from St Thomas and St John's attended the Target Field game, which was just across town. It was certainly nowhere near 80%.

One correction: Those are not just student tickets. They are student, faculty, and staff tickets.

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: December 05, 2018, 11:10:08 am »
Yeah, there could just be people who want to go for the sake of it. My brother has some of his co-workers (who have zero connection to IC) coming to the game to tailgate and hang.

20,000 tickets sold this early is pretty impressive. Great to see the enthusiasm is there

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 27, 2018, 08:52:39 am »
RPI absolutely reminds me of the 2013 IC team that went to the second round of the playoffs before losing by 8 to Wesley.

They're limited offensively against good teams, but every week they force key turnovers, get big plays from special teams, and win. They have drastically swung three games (all wins) thanks to blocked or returned punts. Those teams are a lot of fun to watch

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 27, 2018, 08:46:45 am »

I wouldn’t say “couldn’t” as Brown had close to 100 yards rushing by halftime.

Brockport simply wouldn’t run the ball in the 2nd half...

RPI was playing 3 down lineman just daring Port to run and they simply abandoned the run game...

Brockport had 19 passes and 14 rushing attempts in the 2nd half. Several of those passing attempts came on obvious passing downs (4th and 7, 2nd and 20, 3rd and 15, 3rd and 25).

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 21, 2018, 07:01:41 pm »
If Cortaca was at the beginning of the year, I think a Cortaca II wouldn’t sound so terrible. If ALL other LL/E8 crossovers were in the first 3 weeks, I bet more people can get behind a NYS Bowl.

This is an excellent point. How often do you hear “I wouldn’t want to play [Team X] now?” The back to back nature of Cortaca and this really make it hard, especially when you *know* it’s coming

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 21, 2018, 09:57:00 am »

However, the LL and the ADs/HCOF have all decided that NY State Bowl is  a thing, you can't just close your eyes and pretend it didn't happen.

Not necessarily. I used to write for a trade magazine, and we wrote about things like this. Often, these are driven by the conferences a lot more than the individual schools. Do the schools agree? Yes, in the sense that it’s voluntary, and it may end up being an opportunity they’d like to take advantage of. But these things aren’t done because every coach and AD was like “we’re all going to play in it no matter what and we 100% think it’s a great idea”. At the end of the day, obviously, Ithaca’s AD *didn’t* see this as something necessary, considering IC passed on it twice.

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 14, 2018, 02:11:16 pm »

Besides it is a conference award.  I would think all conferences would count only conference games.

I've never seen an award narrowly defined like that.

That also would make Nabi's selection even more puzzling, since that means he missed 20% of the relevant games, and failed to throw a touchdown pass in 60% of them.

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 14, 2018, 12:16:33 pm »

 As I checked out the statistical reasoning, it seemed clear to me that the committee selected based on the LL Performances, which is really the fairest way to go.

I really hope this isn't the case. Tossing out 4-5 games worth of information seems unwise. I could see weighing those games more heavily, but I hope the OOC games counted for something.

But it really is the only thing that makes sense to me regarding OPOY

I get what you're saying, but how can I judge a player on something he hasn't done?

I mean, you could just make it nothing, as opposed to being a negative (unless that is what you do, and I misinterpreted it)

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 13, 2018, 05:00:11 pm »
Stray thoughts that aren't an attempt to justify the decision, but offer up a possibility as to why it was made:

1. In-Conference Games:
Gladney- 34 catches, 431 yards, 4 TD
Ross Jr- 26 catches, 310 yards, 5 TD

2. It is also worth noting that the write-up on Gladney on the LL site made specific reference to him "playing a number of games in challenging weather and field conditions".

I wonder if the voters put more emphasis on conference play than non-conference, and how much they factored in the weather conditions.


Very little leeway given for not being given any long attempts. Kid for Trinity (Conn.) was perfect a couple years ago but nothing longer than 40 and he didn't get ranked super highly by us.

I think the thing I'm having trouble with is that it's really hard to know what opportunities presented themselves for the kicker. How many times was the team facing a reasonable FG opportunity between the opponents' 24 and 35*? Lots of players' stats are influenced by opportunities, I know. But it seems like kickers really are at the mercy of a lot of different factors that make me leery of dinging them for that. And, yes, I get it, it's impossible to go through the game logs for every kicker you're considering, so it's not really a criticism as much as it is a stray thought.

*Getting us into kicks of > 40 yards, and just arbitrarily making 52 yards a theoretical max that a coach would attempt, for purposes of brevity, and thinking about the possibility of a coach electing to run out the clock in a blowout, or needing to go for it on 4th when trailing (which didn't apply to this Trinity kicker I get it)

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 13, 2018, 02:15:48 pm »

LL awards came out:

Not sure I agree on Gladney as OPOY and there are some guys up higher and lower than I would have picked, but I know there's an unspoken preference shown to SRs.

Gladney isn't a senior

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 13, 2018, 01:11:04 pm »

Also shows the true talent dilution due to the sheer amount of teams in the East.

This is absolutely true. And the HS demographics aren't helping things either

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