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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 14, 2018, 02:11:16 pm »

Besides it is a conference award.  I would think all conferences would count only conference games.

I've never seen an award narrowly defined like that.

That also would make Nabi's selection even more puzzling, since that means he missed 20% of the relevant games, and failed to throw a touchdown pass in 60% of them.

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 14, 2018, 12:16:33 pm »

 As I checked out the statistical reasoning, it seemed clear to me that the committee selected based on the LL Performances, which is really the fairest way to go.

I really hope this isn't the case. Tossing out 4-5 games worth of information seems unwise. I could see weighing those games more heavily, but I hope the OOC games counted for something.

But it really is the only thing that makes sense to me regarding OPOY

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I get what you're saying, but how can I judge a player on something he hasn't done?

I mean, you could just make it nothing, as opposed to being a negative (unless that is what you do, and I misinterpreted it)

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 13, 2018, 05:00:11 pm »
Stray thoughts that aren't an attempt to justify the decision, but offer up a possibility as to why it was made:

1. In-Conference Games:
Gladney- 34 catches, 431 yards, 4 TD
Ross Jr- 26 catches, 310 yards, 5 TD

2. It is also worth noting that the write-up on Gladney on the LL site made specific reference to him "playing a number of games in challenging weather and field conditions".

I wonder if the voters put more emphasis on conference play than non-conference, and how much they factored in the weather conditions.

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Very little leeway given for not being given any long attempts. Kid for Trinity (Conn.) was perfect a couple years ago but nothing longer than 40 and he didn't get ranked super highly by us.

I think the thing I'm having trouble with is that it's really hard to know what opportunities presented themselves for the kicker. How many times was the team facing a reasonable FG opportunity between the opponents' 24 and 35*? Lots of players' stats are influenced by opportunities, I know. But it seems like kickers really are at the mercy of a lot of different factors that make me leery of dinging them for that. And, yes, I get it, it's impossible to go through the game logs for every kicker you're considering, so it's not really a criticism as much as it is a stray thought.

*Getting us into kicks of > 40 yards, and just arbitrarily making 52 yards a theoretical max that a coach would attempt, for purposes of brevity, and thinking about the possibility of a coach electing to run out the clock in a blowout, or needing to go for it on 4th when trailing (which didn't apply to this Trinity kicker I get it)


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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 13, 2018, 02:15:48 pm »

LL awards came out:

https://libertyleagueathletics.com/news/2018/11/13/liberty-league-announces-2018-football-awards-and-all-league-teams.aspx

Not sure I agree on Gladney as OPOY and there are some guys up higher and lower than I would have picked, but I know there's an unspoken preference shown to SRs.


Gladney isn't a senior

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 13, 2018, 01:11:04 pm »

Also shows the true talent dilution due to the sheer amount of teams in the East.

This is absolutely true. And the HS demographics aren't helping things either

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 13, 2018, 11:34:25 am »
I've said this on the E8 boards, and I'll say it here: This phenomenon where the supposed top East teams struggle to impressively win (or even straight up lose) against the mediocre teams of their conferences is not, IMO, indicative of the strength of those weaker teams, but of the weakness of the better teams, and it's backed up by how rarely our top teams make a real impact in the playoffs.

It's no surprise RPI got bumped out of the Top 25 after getting straight smoked. They've played with fire all season long, and looked impressive maybe three times all season.

Ditto IC not being in the Top 25. While Bombers fans dream about the what if scenarios that have them 9-1 or 10-0, not much had to change for IC to end up 6-4, or even 5-5.

RPI will have their shot. If they're legitimately a Top 25 caliber team, and the ECFC is just a bunch of overrated NE schools (As we're often told) this would be a great chance to win by like, 40, and prove it.

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East Region football / Re: FB: New York State Bowl 2017
« on: November 12, 2018, 04:34:01 pm »

Nice concept, but why give up 2 automatic bids  to the NCAAs?   

This is the obvious reason why I know it will never happen.


Regarding the NY State Bowl, since all the AD's, HCOF's agreed to this 2 years ago, find a way to get it done. Just don't commit to something you are not going to see to completion (I sound like a football coach in preseason!!!).


What transpired would seem to indicate that, in fact, there wasn't universal agreement/commitment from coaches or ADs. This wasn't just IC balking at "Cortaca II". (Which is really a whole different thing, that really anyone could have seen was going to be an issue).

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East Region football / Re: ECACs
« on: November 12, 2018, 01:01:54 pm »
Ithaca/Utica? At a “neutral” site?

Hard pass. Seriously hard pass

I’m confident, however, that the Pioneers are not going to hit that 75 point mark against IC

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 12, 2018, 12:17:17 pm »
Weighing in on the RPI-Union thing:

1. I'd have to agree with Mach on the RPI offensive gameplan stuff. I remember thinking the same thing when I watched them against IC (whose defense is, granted, elite). The Engineers weren't even trying to get the ball down the field. Also, as he says, part of the issue isn't that Union came prepared, but that RPI didn't adjust in the 2nd half.

2. I'm torn on the idea of going for it/punting at the end. My gut says that Mach's answer of "Punt and hope for a stop" actually doesn't help RPI at all. Unless Union botches the return (as I saw Cortland do against IC) or RPI gets a turnover/block, given the field position, I don't see how RPI comes out better. You might gain 15-20 yards of field position, but at the expense of two minutes. I'd have gone for it, but I'd have said "screw it" and tried to go downfield for a big gain. Running something short, as Mach says, isn't going to do anything

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East Region football / Re: FB: New York State Bowl 2017
« on: November 12, 2018, 11:47:34 am »
Even tho the NY Bowl may be dead, it was kinda beset with issues from the beginning....with the crossover of LL/E8 reg season games, the prospect of a new matchup was limited (no new information here).



This. A million times this. Look, maybe IC was unique in this, and certainly playing Cortland again is different from playing Alfred twice, but 12 of the 23 non-conference games played by E8 teams this year were against LL teams. I'd be stunned if IC was the only program thinking a rematch wasn't in its best interest.

I know it will never happen, for all the obvious reasons, but the two conferences simply should become one conference, with two divisions, and have the 10th game be a conference title game.

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East Region football / Re: FB: Empire 8
« on: November 12, 2018, 09:44:00 am »
I simply don't understand how Hartwick can be this bad defensively. Here were Utica's offensive drives in the first half:

1. Fumble after completing a 29 yard pass to the Wick 5
2. TD
3. TD
4. TD
5. TD
6. TD
7. TD
8. Blocked FG that was kicked on 1st and 10

In short, Hartwick got 1 stop, and even that came after giving up a long pass.

I mean, it was 55-0 at halftime, and it could have been 65-0 without much changing. No disrespect to Utica, but they're not exactly Brockport.


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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 12, 2018, 09:04:28 am »
Stray thought:

Outside of their own losses, IC's Pool C chances were really undone by Alfred, who managed to beat Cortland, thus ensuing the Red Dragons would not be RR, before then losing to Utica and Fisher, ensuring they wouldn't be either

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: November 12, 2018, 08:23:29 am »
First things first: Ithaca won Cortaca. Cortland did not

It was a strange game though. In the first half, Cortland played some of the worst, most undisciplined football I've ever seen. Ithaca could (and probably should) have led 31-0 at the half. But credit the Red Dragons for fighting back, and nearly pulling off the comeback. It was a messy game, filled with mistakes on both sides. Glad IC won.

Overall, the LL was kind of odd. It reminds me a lot of the 2013 E8, where IC won it, but you never really got the sense that they were the best team in the conference. Indeed, you could probably make convincing cases for IC or Union this year.

But RPI is where they want to be, in the NCAAs, and with a pretty favorable first round matchup, given what we've been told all year about NE football. Of course, the two teams have a common opponent who waxed both of them, so...

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