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West Region football / Re: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: December 19, 2014, 04:04:07 pm »

It's the University of Buffalo.  Buffalo State is a different college.  Yes, there are two - a bit confusing.

Actually, for reasons surpassing my knowledge, it is The University AT Buffalo.

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South Region football / Re: American Southwest Conference
« on: December 19, 2014, 01:02:52 pm »
Anyone watching the game tonight?

After watching Mount last week, and seeing UWW struggle more, I think Mount wins 31-24. Of course, UWW had the tougher trip, but Mount just looks dominant. If UWW can contain the QB, they have a shot, but he is so dynamic, it's crazy to think he didn't play up a level.

No. Too bored of the rematch. But like most football games, this will be won on the lines. UWW has better lines in my opinion. 31-25...

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 19, 2014, 11:53:08 am »
anyone have any insight into how many full time coaches are on staff at most competitive D3 programs and what the recruiting budget might look like ? Does recruiting budget run through the admissions office or through the athletic office, or combination of both ?

Someone send up the Pat Signal. I'd be interested in those answers myself but if I had to guess I'd say it varies wildly, especially the recruiting budget.

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 18, 2014, 05:02:13 pm »
Davidson for example was D3 football and D1 in other sports and the moved up to FCS non scholarship. They are in the same football conference as Butler.
to my knowledge, davidson has never been d3...they just played a lot of d3's as a non-scholarship d1 football program

You are probably right. I was going on memory. I think Georgetown was D3 football too. But again going on memory.  Merry Christmas everyone!

Georgetown was D3 football, Davidson was not. Davidson Trustees in the late 80s voted to move the team to DIII but the team revolted and the school stayed or moved to DIA non scholarship. Prior to that they had offered need based scholarships only for a long time, probably the 70s. It was a real mishmash team.

Georgetown moved to D1A in the 90s when the rule talked about above took effect. You couldn't split divisions for football and basketball, even if it seemed like a grandfather situation. I don't know why.

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East Region football / Re: Liberty League
« on: December 17, 2014, 02:29:11 pm »
Not sure if describe the Boz as a high school field but I guess compared to the stadiums in D1 I suppose it's sort of accurate.

Marpet has the look of a pro player, hope he shows well. I'm guessing he'd have to convert to guard vs being s tackle at "only" 310 but time will tell.

h.s. football stadiums:

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2014/10/five_best_high_school_football_stadiums.php

Bos:

http://www.hwsathletics.com/sports/2008/6/27/GEN_0627081321.aspx?id=1


You're right. Those h.s. fields, at least, have most D3 stadiums beat hands down...  ;D
Texas HS football is probably power ranked above intercollegiate D3 ;)

Maybe. It probably is more popular in the few Texas towns that share a D3 team... But B-SC wouldn't outdraw a good deal of the Birmingham AL area h.s. teams either, so that could be fairly common.

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 17, 2014, 02:25:53 pm »
If you look on their soccer history website they clearly played a D1 schedule in 2005

http://www.oneontaathletics.com/cumestats.aspx?path=msoc&year=2005

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 17, 2014, 11:56:58 am »
I know I brought up the NCAA rule. I've always wondered how John Hopkins plays D1 Lacrosse. Anyone know?

Grandfathered in. Lacrosse, some hockey teams. Athletes on scholarship in those sports can't play other sports.

It must be a Lacrosse and hockey thing. Davidson for example was D3 football and D1 in other sports and the moved up to FCS non scholarship. They are in the same football conference as Butler.

This wiki has a good explanation under the section labeled "controversy"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_I_%28NCAA%29#Controversy

The Division I programs at each of the eight "waiver schools" which were grandfathered with the passing of Proposal 65-1 were:

    Clarkson University men's and women's ice hockey
    Colorado College men's ice hockey, women's soccer
    Hartwick College men's soccer, women's water polo
    Johns Hopkins University men's and women's lacrosse
    Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute men's ice hockey (women's ice hockey moved up to Division I in 2005)
    Rutgers University-Newark men's volleyball (dropped to Division III in 2014)
    St. Lawrence University men's and women's ice hockey
    SUNY Oneonta men's soccer (dropped to Division III in 2006)

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 17, 2014, 11:44:55 am »
I know I brought up the NCAA rule. I've always wondered how John Hopkins plays D1 Lacrosse. Anyone know?

Grandfathered in. Lacrosse, some hockey teams. Athletes on scholarship in those sports can't play other sports.

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 17, 2014, 11:11:16 am »
Who has had talked of moving to 1AA which is actually D1 FCS? MU? UWW? Or both? That would make ZERO sense. Moving up would not put more people in the stands for home games. They would play fewer home games. They would have to provide free education to the tune of 63 scholarships.  Finally, by NCAA rule - all other sports would have to play D1. Meaning many more scholarships and exceptionally high travel costs across all sports, softball, swimming, cross country..  I cannot imagine either team moving up.

Glad you said this, because a lot of people don't realize that rule. Also, there isn't a DIII school out there that's prepared to start offering scholarships to their entire athletic department, just because one, two, or even a handful of programs are having success.

This cuts both ways. You don't have to offer scholarships to all athletes. There are non-scholarship D1 conferences. You can even pick and choose within the limits of Title IX, conference restraints, etc. Butler, for example, is non-scholarship for football but scholarship in other sports. That being said, it is a massive change and I agree there isn't a DIII school that could easily make that jump. There are schools that could do it based on endowment funding, but it would involve massive planning and expenses.

Yea, I have thought about that though. But what would be in it for UWW, UMU, MHB, etc. bumping up to a non-scholarship D1 conference? Yes, it would benefit other DIII schools as they would now have a better chance at winning a Stagg Bowl because the playoffs are watered down.

I agree 100%. I never make the argument they should move. Nor do I see any great advantage to those schools. I simply pointed out that you don't have to provide all those expensive scholarships. They are a maximum, not a requirement.

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 17, 2014, 10:56:35 am »
Who has had talked of moving to 1AA which is actually D1 FCS? MU? UWW? Or both? That would make ZERO sense. Moving up would not put more people in the stands for home games. They would play fewer home games. They would have to provide free education to the tune of 63 scholarships.  Finally, by NCAA rule - all other sports would have to play D1. Meaning many more scholarships and exceptionally high travel costs across all sports, softball, swimming, cross country..  I cannot imagine either team moving up.

Glad you said this, because a lot of people don't realize that rule. Also, there isn't a DIII school out there that's prepared to start offering scholarships to their entire athletic department, just because one, two, or even a handful of programs are having success.

This cuts both ways. You don't have to offer scholarships to all athletes. There are non-scholarship D1 conferences. You can even pick and choose within the limits of Title IX, conference restraints, etc. Butler, for example, is non-scholarship for football but scholarship in other sports. That being said, it is a massive change and I agree there isn't a DIII school that could easily make that jump. There are schools that could do it based on endowment funding, but it would involve massive planning and expenses.

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 17, 2014, 10:38:48 am »
Who has had talked of moving to 1AA which is actually D1 FCS? MU? UWW? Or both? That would make ZERO sense. Moving up would not put more people in the stands for home games. They would play fewer home games. They would have to provide free education to the tune of 63 scholarships.  Finally, by NCAA rule - all other sports would have to play D1. Meaning many more scholarships and exceptionally high travel costs across all sports, softball, swimming, cross country..  I cannot imagine either team moving up.

RPI at one time discussed it. I don't think it got very far.

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East Region football / Re: Liberty League
« on: December 17, 2014, 09:45:10 am »
Not sure if describe the Boz as a high school field but I guess compared to the stadiums in D1 I suppose it's sort of accurate.

Marpet has the look of a pro player, hope he shows well. I'm guessing he'd have to convert to guard vs being s tackle at "only" 310 but time will tell.

h.s. football stadiums:

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2014/10/five_best_high_school_football_stadiums.php

Bos:

http://www.hwsathletics.com/sports/2008/6/27/GEN_0627081321.aspx?id=1


You're right. Those h.s. fields, at least, have most D3 stadiums beat hands down...  ;D

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 17, 2014, 09:35:24 am »
You certainly have strong opinions, and I don't disagree. However the dominance is not helping D3 football and obviously the rest of D3 schools either have no answer or could care less about competing at the national level.

Very, very true. I've been on both sides of this argument but I've settled here. There has to be a reason to compete for another trophy. A reason why you can't compete for the one we have.

The only thing I'll add is that it's not just football. That may be the flagship we are all looking at, but a good portion of D3 sports work this way. If it was one school or one conference dominating all of D3, I'd be more inclined to see a big problem. But traditionally it's not. Lots of schools have a niche, and that is where they focus.

UWW is one to watch however. Winning the big 3 sports last year is an interesting occurrence. I will get concerned if they keep winning team sports at an outsized rate. I think UWW is using athletics to differentiate themselves from the rest of the WIAC. It's a good strategy, and I applaud their innovation. But a school that size taking that tack could throw D3 out of whack from a money standpoint. A student activity fee of an additional $100 focused on athletics will raise a good chunk of money annually for them.

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 17, 2014, 09:05:27 am »
D3A Championship Playoffs: 2 teams from WIAA/MU/Linfield/MHB/Wesley/2 at large
D3B Championship  AQ's & Pool C's; winner of D3B eligible for one of the 2 at large for D3A bracket
Might be more interesting to a larger fan base,maybe? I just don't see  D3 schools committing additional resources/time/energy to compete with the big boys of D3.   

Again, why bother? What are the big teams doing that the rest of D3 can't do? Are they operating under a different set of rules? No. What is the point of splitting the division simply because other schools don't want to compete with the big boys? If you don't want to compete with them, don't. If you do, go for it. But don't split the division just because they are too good. That's a cruddy excuse.

I think the string of UMU vs UWW games is boring, bad for the division, and it has almost completely lost my attention as a game. However, simply splitting up the division for no reason other than a handful of teams are too good is silly. That's just a way of saying we want a trophy, but we don't want to compete with the best teams using the same playing field, to win that trophy.

If you are going to split into a DIV or a DIIIB or whatever, there has to be a substantive change in the rules of competition from existing DIII. Whether that is roster, recruiting, practice time, number of games, and money spent restrictions, or something else I don't know, but just splitting the division to create a second championship because a couple teams are hogging the trophy won't fly for me.

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 16, 2014, 04:53:30 pm »


Many conferences/schools have opted out of the semifinals or quarterfinals just based on how they support football. They still get AQs and participate but one win is generally the ceiling.

yeah. but sometimes that includes a beating. opting out completely would make a different kind of statement. just a thought. I have no real interest in W&L following that route (not that I have anything to say about it!), but it's a valid idea that is already partially enacted.

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