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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: Yesterday at 01:57:51 pm »
I've never seen a team rise on the hot gas of 30 minutes of football quite like HSC post-Linfield two seasons ago.

I have. It was Wabash last year after winning a favorable first round match up against an unranked team they played a top ranked UWW a good half of football only to get beaten like a red-headed step child in the second half.  Better be glad you did. That failed audition may have been what cost Reaburn the UWW job.

Lord, help me.

You don't have a single win in your program's history as good as that win against an unranked Franklin.

Throwing the flag here. In 1976 HSC defeated #1 ranked in DIII then Madison University, now James Madison University, in an ABC nationally televised game. If you are going to make statements about a program's whole history, you should at least look up some of the highlights. Unranked Franklin doesn't measure up to that win, though it is now almost 40 years in the past, it is still part of the "program's history".

I would venture a guess that Wabash has never beaten the #1 ranked team in DIII, and probably doesn't have a win that good, but I won't make a definite statement since I'm not sure...

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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: Yesterday at 01:14:42 pm »
HSC has been the same mediocre late nineties, Hal-Mumme circus offense fossil since before JD Ricca. I've never seen a team rise on the hot gas of 30 minutes of football quite like HSC post-Linfield two seasons ago. Your team is a mirage. Good luck.

The bolded part is a little overstated. They have won 5 of the last 8 ODAC championships. That's hardly a mirage. I do agree their short time in the national spotlight at the beginning of last year was primarily based on 20 minutes of Linfield playing like the Keystone Cops, but generally speaking, HSC has been a pretty good football team for more than a decade. Not a national power, but certainly not a mirage. That isn't too far below where Wabash has been, but yes, below.

I also think you'll find most HSC fans to be a little more realistic than HSCTiger fan. He's a bit rabid in his support, as people on message boards tend to be. If you get to Farmville, you'll have a really good time with the HSC folks.

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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: Yesterday at 12:28:50 pm »
The problem with the first game of the year, for fans, is the long wind up. This game just needs to be played. I very much doubt too many people outside those with ties to Farmville would put money on the Tigers. That being said, it is the first game and strange things tend to happen in week one. Would I be absolutely shocked if HSC won a home game against a team that traveled a good distance to play in a charged atmosphere? No. But I'd be surprised for sure...

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: Yesterday at 10:02:12 am »
I wonder if they gave that same deal to Tulane?  ::)

Somehow I seriously doubt that option was available for Sewanee, Tulane, or Georgia Tech. But, especially for Sewanee, it's fun to think about.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: Yesterday at 08:58:59 am »
Chicago dropped football in 1939, and withdrew entirely from the Big 10 in the mid-1940s.  The Maroons Jay Berwanger won the first Heisman Trophy in 1935,

Sewanee was a founding member of the SEC. Legend has it when they left they were issued a no questions asked return option in perpetuity. I have to believe that's a legend, but it's fun to think about.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 31, 2015, 04:41:27 pm »
Catholic won the Orange Bowl in 1936. I remember seeing the game ball in a trophy case. Any other current D3s win a modern day major bowl back in the day?

W&L lost the Gator Bowl on Jan 1 1951 when the star QB was struck by appendicitis the night before the game. It was widely assumed they would have won if he played. They finished that year ranked 18th in the nation. In 1951 they played No. 1 Tennessee, No. 3 Maryland, and No. 13 Virginia. Finished the year 6-4 losing to those three and Johnny Unitas at Louisville, but winning the SoCon. Only TN really buried them. Two years on came the Great Cheating Scandal and the end of W&L as a player against large football schools. It took 6 years before they again had a winning record, but went 25-1-1 from '60-'62 being voted the Washington Touchdown Club's Best Small College Team in the Nation in '61.

I've seen the Gator Bowl Ball in the trophy case. An interesting reminder of the distant past.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 31, 2015, 01:39:26 pm »
Sitting in the office with an HSC co-worker who happens to have played at HSC, looking at the list. I got down to the "V" section and thought "well, I don't see a Maryville game on here..." Boom. Then I see where Vandy drummed us 100-3 in 1912. My Tiger buddy sees it, says something along the time of "That sucks for you." I start scrolling again.
Three lines down: VIRGINIA MILITARY 136, HAMPDEN-SYDNEY 0.  (1920)
Timing could not have been better.
A little slice of humble pie all around ...

I don't know the final score, but Guilford played at Maryland during Bear Bryant's days there as HC ... the Terrapin cheerleaders did push-ups and sang the alma mater after each UM score.  Rumor is, by the end of the game, all the GC Quakers knew the UM alma mater by heart!
1945 University of Maryland 60, Guilford 6

W&L has more than a few of those too. W&L has a great link to series record against every team we've played. Fun to check out when we played Army, Navy, Virginia, Va Tech, G Tech, Miami, FL, and many more of the teams that went on to the big time. Take a look if you have some time to kill. I'm always amazed at how one year we'd get monkey stomped, or stomp someone else by 30,40,50+ points, and the next year it would be dead close. The changeover on those teams in the 1900s through WWII must have been incredible.

http://generalssports.com/sports/fball/info/seriesrec

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 31, 2015, 01:14:10 pm »


Upon further review!  According to HSC's Kaleidoscope the 1920 VMI game was far from a route!  It states "Only until the last quarter were the Cadets able to score and then only by a place kick."  https://archive.org/stream/kaleidoscope1920hamp#page/77/mode/1up

The 136 - 0 game may have occurred but not in 1920.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why Wikipedia is not an approved source. +1 for the effort of proving Wikipedia wrong.

Well now we have conflicting evidence. The VMI Factbook does list that game as 136-0 for VMI in 1920. Given some of the other scores listed for VMI games that year, it seems plausible to me. See here:

http://www.vmikeydets.com/pdf9/3738409.pdf?ATCLID=210273019&SPSID=43765&SPID=3895&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=9800

Page 75, lower right corner. I think the HSC Tigers have a conspiracy brewing to cover up their embarrassing history!


**** EDIT ****

It is not a conspiracy, it is a case of poor research. Sorry HSCTiger fan, but you looked in the wrong yearbook. See here:

https://archive.org/stream/kaleidoscope1921hamp#page/75/mode/1up

"No Hampden-Sydney Team has ever suffered a more crushing defeat that than administered to us by the "Flying Squadron" by the score of 136 to 0. The less said about this game the better."

A game that took place in the fall of 1920 would appear in the 1921 yearbook...

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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: August 31, 2015, 11:58:09 am »
This year's roster lists 60 players, 24 freshmen among them.  This is Oberlin and Kenyon territory. 
Ouch.  If this trend keeps up, i have to wonder if some of these schools are going to seriously consider dropping football within the next decade?

I would say very doubtful.   I think football is still too valuable an enrollment tool to just drop it.

It doesn't start to get desperate until you drop under 45... 86 scholarships at D1 schools and most freshman weren't expected to play when they set that number. So it takes less than 60 to field a team in the NCAA's eyes. Walk ons weren't expected to be significant contributors those most teams have a few. It'll be interesting to watch trends. We keep talking about the number of schools and the number of players per school going up on average, but I think at the higher end institutions where they don't rely on football to drive admissions you will see some struggle to get enough quality players.

Football is unique in the numbers needed. I don't envy the coaches at high admissions schools the effort needed to pull 30-40 first years every year. I don't know how CMU and JHU got their numbers this year or as consistently as JHU does. Heck of a hustle job by those staffs.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 31, 2015, 11:52:07 am »
Well W&L owns one of those monkey stomps. Centre owns a surprising amount. I guess those games in the early 1900s didn't really match up like institutions very well!

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North Region football / Re: Ohio Athletic Conference
« on: August 31, 2015, 09:50:01 am »
Bethany was 6-4 in the PAC in 2014. Does anyone know more about them?  :-\

I think Pat, Keith and the guys do, but you have spend $11 to find out what they know.

Nice. +K

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 30, 2015, 08:12:46 pm »
That would look great on a t-shirt! Wait I just found it. http://bit.ly/1KmL1tS

I'll be selling them at the game Saturday only $25.95

Ok. That's pretty funny. Obnoxious, but funny

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 30, 2015, 04:42:07 pm »
I hope Wabash wins by 100.

Because one fan of HSC is giving you guys some flack?  Thicker skin next time. Too funny.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 29, 2015, 08:56:09 pm »
It's all good Wally. I'm tend to beat a dead horse. Jk and Hasa I'm sure wished HSC would have changed conferences to the NJAC with CNU for the sole reason of not seeing my rants.  :)

I don't know about Hasa but I have no interest in running off my entertainment.  ;D

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 29, 2015, 04:10:54 pm »
jeknezek, I doubt they are pulling out Gentlemen's Classic videos if they've won four Monon Bell games. Probably should line up results in season-ending games vs. archrival and throw that into the mix as well.

Oh I agree 100%. But since we're discussing these two teams you give Wabash the props for winning on the field and, I expect, winning on the field again. But in 15 years I'd still rather show my kid my championship rings than some old game medium (I'm guessing it won't be DVDs) of games we won against our rivals. So yeah, in 15 years I think the advantage goes to the 2014 HSC seniors over the 2014 Wabash seniors. 3 rings beat one, if you count freshman year, 2 rings as contributors beats empty fingers in the long run...

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