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West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: Today at 06:23:57 pm »

I may be nitpicking, but ...  Coaching and recruiting are separate but both the head coach's job and responsibility, and on his job description.  That doesn't make them the same thing, and the coach wears the different hats at different times.  A coach does not recruit during games or practices, and he does not coach when recruiting young men.

A coach does have several individual jobs as part of his job as "Coach", as you mention, and coaching and recruiting are just two of them.  I believe they are distinctly separate, and recruiting is more important, certainly more than checking a box.

"Coach" is both a noun and a verb, TMT. What does a coach do? He coaches. If recruiting was separate from coaching, he'd have the title "Head Coach / Head Recruiter" on his office door. He doesn't, because recruiting is part of coaching.

Everything that he does within his capacity as the coach -- recruiting, game prep, running practices, administration, game management -- falls under the rubric of coaching. Saying that he isn't coaching when he's out recruiting is like saying that a teacher isn't teaching when he/she is grading papers at home, or that a cook isn't cooking when he/she is chopping up the vegetables. Or, to use another analogy, saying that a coach isn't coaching when the public can't see what he's doing -- since it appears that you guys seem to equate "coaching" with game management -- is like saying that an iceberg only consists of the one-tenth that you can see, while the other nine-tenths of the floating formation of frozen water is something other than an iceberg.

Coaching and recruiting are not separate. Recruiting is a part of coaching. To say that one part of what a coach does for a living is "coaching" and another part isn't is not only arbitrary, it makes no sense at all.

Coaches have to recruit to be successful. Coaches have to teach to be successful. Recruiting isn't coaching, but coaching involves recruiting. You're both right. Let's move on.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: Yesterday at 01:18:32 am »
Upset Watch:  Keep your eyes on Friday night in Eastern Washington.

You really think WIL is going to take down WM  ;D

I agree in some ways with you, Blackhawk, on COTY. If Logie takes this team to a 15-1 or better finish, he should get it. But Kip has turned his program around in the first half of this season--which is why I gave him my mid-season COTY.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: January 25, 2015, 05:02:25 pm »
Mid-NWC season awards? Here are mine:

POTY: Jurlina (best player on the best team)
COTY: Ioane

1st Team:

I feel like WM should maybe have a player...but who? Mounier maybe, but I don't think Clough. I could maybe field an argument for Mounier over Ovchinnikov.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: January 24, 2015, 02:40:04 am »
Lunt has evolved and is getting gret results. Their team this year, WILL take down Whitworth!

Keandre, I love that you represent UPS on here. We definitely need a Logger voice. But sometimes it's hard to take you and Blackhawk seriously with these outlandish guarantees that never pan out! UPS is 3-3 which includes a loss to Willamette(!). They still have WM and PLU, which means UPS will likely finish the first half of the slate 4-4. Are those the results you're talking about? I don't doubt UPS could take WW at home in a single game, but to take them down to win the league? Yeah, not so much. Got to hand it to your boys tonight, they fought. That Shattuck kid is a pretty decent shooter, and Whitworth played some tough D against Holden tonight.

I'm going with WW, LC, WM & WIL tomorrow.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: January 11, 2015, 07:11:20 pm »
Blackhawk deserves some karma points for his #rattheprophet line.  Given his negative rating in the karma points he could use a few positive votes.  Please help him out

True. Great line, blackhawk. How do I give K tho?

What is wrong with LF? 

Young and injured. From what I've heard, Batiuk is slowly coming back and they have another big who is out. Plus--aside from Cali--they are very young. 13 of the 18 on their listed roster are underclassmen.

LC/Willamette Tuesday might end up being a really good game! I might have to make my way across town to LC to catch that game.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: January 08, 2015, 02:15:05 pm »
2.  I always forget, but it's such a great small college hoops atmosphere.  The best on the west coast.


This is the weakest WW team in recent memory. I've never seen so many airballs, is that normal??  But, on this night they won, and that's all that counts.

I agree. I've said all year this is probably the weakest team in recent memory, but Whitworth is relying more on depth this year than star power.

It was one of the most bizarre games I've watched.  WMN shot 13-26 from the ft line (should have won the game here).  This will never happen again.  WMN shot 2-21 from the arc--and for the most part, they weren't bad looks.  Again, this will never happen again.  They didn't struggle to get good looks.  WMN scored 60 points, but outside of a little Farnsworth, it wasn't WW's D.

That may never happen again, but Whitworth's poor shooting was an anomaly too. The Pirates coming into the game lead the NWC and are 9th in all of D3 in 3-point shooting percentage. So don't expect such cold shooting down in W2.

Honestly, I don't think WW has a prayer in Walla Walla.

Oh, they have a prayer. You always come here with these guarantees and predictions, and yet are rarely right. So I'm pretty excited that you say Whitworth has no prayer in W2!  ;D
Puget is the wild card here (ps. Holden is my MVP), but if Puget cant steal one from WW or WMN, the rest of the teams are so bad that you could see Eastern Washington go 30-2 in conference.  My gut says Puget gets at least one from WW, but has a shot in all 4 games.

Totally agree with you here. UPS is a wild card. They have looked similar to WW and WM: hit or miss. Depends on what teams show up that night.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: January 07, 2015, 02:35:39 am »
I'm worried WW isn't even a playoff team.

Great game tonight  ;D But seriously, it really was a fun game to watch. Back and forth battle, and Whitworth was able to hit some big shots down the stretch. Whitman went cold--from the field and the line--and Whitworth was able to hold 'em off. Blackhawk, your thoughts on the game? I still think Whitman poses a threat to Whitworth--especially if they hold serve down in W2. Not counting out UPS either. Looking forward to Linfield Friday.

Predictions this Friday: Whitworth, LC, PLU and UPS.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: January 03, 2015, 03:01:09 am »
I'm curios to see WW @ LC tomorrow, and any feedback as to why WW/WU was only a 10 pt game??

It was less than 10, but a combination of two things: poor shooting (33% as a team) and 24 turnovers ???. Willamette hit a bunch of 3's to stay in the game. Blackhawk--you said Whitman needs to play better in Spokane to beat Whitworth, well Whitworth has to play better in Spokane to beat Whitman. Sounds like neither team played well tonight, but both gutted out a W. Hopefully the E. Wash. teams play better tomorrow.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: December 07, 2014, 08:12:22 pm »
...linfield got some unreal posts...

I'm going to say no. Good to have you back playball. Love your insight as a former player.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: December 02, 2014, 03:31:05 am »
I disagree. Chapman put years and years of effort into getting into the SCIAC. It's a conference that enjoys a high level of academic luster, and that's good for Chapman's brand.

I agree with this. I don't think Chapman moves up any further. I think they will be plenty happy at D3 with the combo of athletics and academics.

Plenty of doubt in my mind. Whitworth was certainly a high-quality program under Coach Hayford, but you don't just snap your fingers and win a Walnut & Bronze. It's not that easy. Just ask Steve Moore at Wooster or Glenn Robinson at F&M.

Cool, you can have your doubts. But those guys who were coming to Whitworth just beat Indiana at Indiana. It's not a snap of your fingers--especially out in the PNW island, but the talent he was bringing in would have been right up there with anyone else in the country.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: December 01, 2014, 09:16:21 pm »
To all you Hayford and Whitworth haters out there, I'll give you two more reasons to be glad Hayford went to Eastern Washington.  Two of the starters that played key roles in the EWU win over Indiana were slated to play at Whitworth.  When Hayford went to EWU he convinced both of them to follow him to EWU and walk on.  One of those guys is picked to be the Big Sky player of the year.  Wouldn't that have been fun?

WW is looking vulnerable this year.  However, I have faith that Logie will pull it together and get them playing at the level they need to be at to win the NWC.  Until they lose the crown--Long Live the King!!!

There is no doubt in my mind that had Hayford stayed, Whitworth would have won a national championship at some point. Parker Kelly, Tyler Harvey and Collin Chiverton would have looked great in a different red and black. Belated congrats, BTW, on David getting promoted.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: November 24, 2014, 12:49:49 am »
No matter what style of play, what is new information is the net result. I'm worried WW isn't even a playoff team. WMN, L&C, UPS, GF?? If the Pirates are trying to "right the ship," they might need a new captain, first mate, and crew...Ps. Whitman has 2 seniors on their team.

Three, but who's counting? ;D Plus Mounier is probably Whitman's best player and Lippi is arguably their best shooter. Whitworth's seniors are Farnsworth and Wilks. Farnsworth is either feast (@Montana) or famine (this last week), and Wilks is a decent back up post player I guess, but the offense doesn't go through them like it does with Mounier at Whitman. Whitworth is relying on Jurlina (So.), Brown (So.), Love (So.), and Staudacher (transfer) for a huge bulk of their scoring. Whitworth will have some growing pains along the way as Staudacher, Brown and Love try to find their niche in the offense, and while Jurlina becomes more disciplined on offense.

Whitworth was cold again against St. Thomas, which is starting to be a trend. I definitely am not worried that this is a playoff team, but on a national scale this team is certainly down as this weekend proved. Yeah we got our clocks cleaned by St. Thomas, but if a bad no call goes our way, we are probably 2-1 just like you guys down in W2. And at least we didn't give up 88 points to the worst shooting D3 team I've ever seen  ;D

I think the league goes Whit, Whit, UPS, LC. Until we start losing to the Willamettes and Linfields I'm not too worried.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: November 22, 2014, 08:43:16 pm »
WMN is now up 35 points on Rutgers-Newark.  These guys are terrible.  This is who you lost to WW?  At home?? WOW.  Tonight against St. Thomas might be a blood bath.  Somebody bring Logie a few extra suit jackets, I think he's going to need them.

When WMN shares the ball and lets the game come to them, they are good--top 25.  When they try to force an early one-on-one, they're not as good.  We all knew it was just a matter of time, but I think this may be the year that the power in the conference has finally shifted...

Whitman and Whitworth play two completely different styles: one is run and gun, the other is grind it out. What might work against one team might not work against another. This is not new information. But, like I've been saying all pre-season, I think this could be the year Whitman catches Whitworth. It's early, Whitman has a bunch of good seniors, while Whitworth is relying mostly on sophomores and a junior playing out of position to carry the scoring load. Hopefully the Pirates right the ship tonight.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: November 21, 2014, 02:32:57 am »
Pinecone, I saw the ww ot session. In 5 mins of watching, here's my two cents: Agree ww is solid across the board, as usual. Also agree though that I didn't see a go-to player.

Love your play-by-play crew. Thought they were awesome. Didn't think that was a foul under the bucket on your big fellow--that call hurt. But also didn't think it was a loose ball foul at the end.
I did appreciate Logies jacket spike. I found that enjoyable. However I wish he would have gone for distance instead.  I also enjoyed seeing a referee give a technical foul AFTER the game was over...I think that speaks to the crew you had.

Interested to see WMN-Rutgers.  A WMN win sets a huge conference precedence.

It was a great jacket spike and post-game T ;D

If Whitman hits their 3's (and I think they will), they should win. Whitworth couldn't buy a bucket tonight both inside (RN was too big and long) and outside (just flat-out missed the shots).

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: November 21, 2014, 01:36:55 am »
Wish I could have seen the Whitman/St. Thomas game. I was tracking online, and it looked like a good one. Watched the Whitworth one online though and have a few thoughts. 1) Whitworth isn't what it used to be. I mean, that's obvious. This is a top 25 team, but not a top 20 team. There's no go-to player, their post play is average, and they are wholly dependent on defense. With that said, they are a very good defensive team, but I can't imagine this team being in very many shootouts. 2) Rutgers-Newark is pretty solid. Lots of length, they aren't lights out shooters, but they seem to make the shots when they needed. And they were a very good defensive team as well. Definitely a defensive battle tonight. Kudos to RN for coming into Whitworth and picking off a quality win. Didn't look like the crowd was very large, but a win is a win. 3) Those refs <

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