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West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: February 03, 2016, 01:16:50 am »
Well that escalated quickly...

Couple of turnovers, lots of missed shots and Whitworth is quickly down 50-34. Whitworth has looked slow/sluggish/disinterested for most of the game to this point. Oh well, another year, another conference championship and still no guarantee Whitman even makes it to the tournament final to get another crack at the Pirates. I'm headed to bed...  :'(


87-71 WM. Not the first time we've lost down in W2 as the #1 team in the nation. Poor showing tonight all the way around. Turnovers and cold shooting downed us (I won't even mention the horrendous officiating that wouldn't let a Pirate so much as breathe on a Missionary...whoops, I just did!).

But credit to WM. They shot the ball well and anytime WW tried to make a run, WM hit a big shot to stop any momentum. Not a surprising result IMO. WM is a good team and always plays WW really tough down in W2.

Pressure is now on to finish out the regular season for both Whits.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: January 24, 2016, 02:18:00 am »
And there it is, Whitman loses at home to a team that had no business beating them.

I thought the yearly stinker for WM would be at LC, but alas, it was at home against PLU. Guess Blackhawk was right about not sweeping the Tacoma schools. WM will beat WW in W2, but WW will win out the rest for another 15-1 NWC 'ship. WM will once again finish a game back at 14-2. Wish I could have made the games, but the pass was shut down all day Thursday when I was going to come over. Props as always to the WW guys for their streaming. Love that we can watch anyone in the conference now every night.

Now that we are half-way through the NWC schedule, any surprises? Predictions? Midseason awards? My mid-season MVP is George Valle because even though he's overlooked for Love and Jurlina, he's the unsung guy who is quietly top 5 in the NWC in both points and rebounds (and top 14 in assists).

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: January 10, 2016, 06:42:54 pm »
Whitworth   4-0
Whitman     3-1
George Fox  2-2
Pacific         2-2
PLU            2-2
UPS            2-2
L&C            1-3
Linfield       1-3
Willamette  1-3

Whitworth   4-0
Whitman     3-1

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: January 07, 2016, 09:21:47 pm »
Post that WW shouldn't be #2 in the nation, and you're the biggest idiot walking the planet.  Propose that all NWC teams forfeit their remaining games to Whitworth instead of playing them, and you're a genius.

FTR I've never disagreed about WW being too high. And I was talking more about your game analysis and your suggestion that the Whits go to the midwest instead of south. But if you want to go ahead and give WW wins the rest of the season, I won't argue  ;D

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: January 07, 2016, 01:53:57 am »
Sometimes I really wonder what this board would do without the amazing ideas I throw out, but this one might take the cake.  How about we make Whitworth play their game at Whitman, but then we just give them 12 wins for the rest of their conference games??  Lets face it, nobody else has a chance.  All the travel money saved by WW not playing goes into a GoFundMe account, which can be utilized for a Whitman/Whitworth road trip to Wisconsin and somewhere back east next year.  With his free time, Logie can start scheduling the games now.

Big Remaining Questions
1.  Will WW go undefeated? My gut says I think it benefits them to lose at WMN.  Just, in the event that you believe in statistics, if these two teams line up 3 times, are the odds there that they win all 3?
2.  Can WMN  run the table? Or, will somebody get them?  Whitman hasn't established that consistent untouchable dominance on a night-in-night-out basis like WW has.  But in my opinion, WMN has to run the table to get a share of the title.
3.  PLU? I'm confused.

By the way, WW deserved to shoot every bit of 57% from the floor (I actually think I made the exact same statement last year).  WW took the free buckets (layups and wide open jumpers) when WMN tried to force tempo, when WMN was in zone--it was just ugly, and when WMN tried to play man-to-man, WW was patient until WMN made a mistake.   WMN plays a high risk/high reward game, and I thought that played into WW's strength.  WW is composed and hard to rattle.  They were patient and let WMN's defense beat themselves.  57%.

Logie is impressive.  Very impressive.  His team plays with such discipline.

Unlike WW against WM, I think I'm a little bit rattled. Blackhawk made a lot of sense tonight in just about everything he posted. What gives?  ;D

Seriously though, Blackhawks Big Remaining Questions are pretty accurate, as is his analysis of the WW vs. WM game. In some ways, WM's style plays right into WW. It takes a disciplined team to beat the press, and WW is the only night-in and night-out disciplined team in the league. In fact, I can only think of maybe 1 or 2 TO's due to the pressure last night.

I actually disagree that this is Bridge's best team in W2. Maybe it was just an off night, but WM never really seemed to threaten the Pirates. WW had a pretty comfortable lead all game except for that one run early in the 2nd half. Even when WM tied it, WW then went on a big run to cruise the rest of the way.

WM lays an egg every year somewhere unexpected, so PLU has to be the favorite for that this year right? Meanwhile it's hard to see any team in the NWC beating WW (except maybe @WM) because even when WW doesn't shoot well, they always are tough on the defensive end.

It would be great to see the Whits travel back to the midwest to take on some of those powers. There are direct flights from Spokane to Chicago, and a bunch of great teams are within 3 hours from Chicago (Calvin, Hope, Benedictine, Trine, Augustana, Elmhurst, and Chicago). Why not set up a little yearly tournament where one year WW & WM go to play 2 or 3 of those schools, then in the odd years those schools reciprocate? This almost seems too easy.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: January 06, 2016, 03:29:17 pm »
Rat and other long time observers of NWC basketball,

Are these the two most talented teams in the conference at the same time since it went D3?  I did not see UPS in the Chase Curtis days and I know WW and LC had some good teams then.  The current WM is very athletic and fun to watch. Like Pinecone says, we have 4 guards that would start on any team in the country and I think Sears is under-appreciated--and that is not even talking about Valle and Jurlina. I thought it was a great game last night. Looking forward to the rematch.

To give you some perspective on Roach, my younger son's friend did not start on Roach's AAU team. He's averaging 18 for Pomona Pitzer. 

I think the 03-04, 05-06 and 08-09 UPS teams are up there (we all know 03-04 was the best right Blackhawks?), and I still don't know if the Michael Taylor team that lost to Wooster wasn't the best team Whitworth has had, ever (just went cold against a very good team, on their home court, at the wrong time). I certainly think this is Whitman's best team since Bridgeland got there. He might not have anyone as good as David Michaels, but as a whole I think they are much better. I think this is Logie's best team as well, with 2011-12 (Lasisi and Friedt's last season) being the main competition. Overall gaurd play is better this year, they have forwards that match up with Loofburrow limiting his effectiveness from 3 IMO, and Sears could at least body Felix which no other team was able to do anytime I saw him play in his last 2 seasons.

No question 10-11 was WW's best team in the D3 era, but two best in the NWC at the same time? This year is right up there with 05-06 IMO. Some of those UPS teams with Antwan Williams, Zach McVey, Chase Curtiss & Jason Foster were so tough, but WW had a pretty solid team at the time too (Williams (future league MVP)/Pecht (the league MVP)/Jones/Young).

On a different note, I wish there were some Pacific and PLU posters here. Pac might be a bit of a let-down game for both Whits, and they've looked pretty good this year. It wouldn't totally surprise me if PAC knocks off one of the Whits this weekend. PLU is also bringing some heat early this season--what's up with them?

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: January 06, 2016, 01:58:50 am »
Solid win by WW. Love this team. Very deep and quick.

Yeah Logie could just rotate guards through to keep them fresh throughout the game. WW has 4 guards who would start for any team in the conference--and most D3 teams nationally (Love, Staudacher, Grant & Roach). Really nice weapon when facing a team that presses so much, plus Valle and Julian can handle the ball too. WW is too disciplined and veteran to turn the ball over a ton vs. the press (only had 11 TO's tonight). A big team that can push them around inside is the team that will beat WW. These teams meet back up February 2. Should be a good one in W2. Last year WW laid an egg down there, hopefully they come to play this year.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: December 30, 2015, 08:52:21 pm »
Well, Whitworth beat two mediocre teams and didn't win either in convincing fashion. Again, I think this is a top 15 team, but certainly not a top five team. However, these were classic games under Logie: the Bucs won a grind-it-out affair thanks to their defense and a few timely shots. Whitworth will get its first real test on Jan. 5 when they host Whitman. Should be a good game!

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: December 26, 2015, 01:08:58 pm »
Sorry to change the topic from Clemson back to basketball, but I enjoyed this article about the Gonzaga and Whitworth basketball success in Spokane.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: November 30, 2015, 08:59:32 pm »
New poll is out:

Whitworth up to #2, Whitman & PLU both receive votes.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: October 29, 2015, 11:25:27 pm »
Seriously though...

I would be guessing that 5-9 will be a logjam without a clear cut best #5. The 2-4 should be entertaining. Heard that Linfield brought in a bunch of guards

That order looks about right to me. I saw Whitman brought in some studs. Always hard to tell by their press release because every year they make it sound like the greatest class in the history of D3, but this one actually does good. Link:

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: October 22, 2015, 07:39:04 pm »
Whitworth is pre-season #3!   :o :o :o

I think they'll be good, but #3 good? They have a lot of questions in the post that need to be answered. They are VERY good and VERY deep at guard though, so maybe they'll throw out a small lineup and just win by running-and-gunning. Seems like until their post play becomes proven, a good team that plays half-court offense with some bigs could beat this team. Guess we will see!

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: May 08, 2015, 02:33:26 am »
Some of the new Whitworth players

Bucs reload for '15-16

FWIW, Whitworth basketball posted highlight videos of their recruits here

Worst kept secret on earth is that AJ Grant is coming to Whitworth. The Whitworth basketball account posted his highlight film on their page and under his video wrote that he's Whitworth class of 2016. He's not mentioned in the Whitworth press release, but all indications are that he's a Buc. Bishop looks like a solid prospect. 6-8 lefty and good at sealing off. CJ Johnson looks like another George Valle. Tweener who uses efficiency, craftiness and IQ to get good shots. Looks like a better long-range shooter than Valle. AJ Grant was the pre-season POY last year, and yet Kyle Roach might be the recruit I'm most looking forward to seeing. He looks like he has it all, plus 37 ppg and 10 rpg as a senior isn't bad for a guard. Could Whitworth go to a Kentucky-like platoon rotation next year? Then blackhawk could be right in comparing Whitworth to Kentucky.

Whitman got a prospect today. A kid from Northern California named Ryan Stewart. Apparently he turned down a walk-on offer from Arizona. My favorite part of that article was his final quote about going to Whitman: “They’ve done very well the last couple of years,” he said. “They always have trouble with this school, Whitworth, and they often make it to the championship and lose to them.” He sure knows what he's getting into  ;D

Linfield has also announced a recruit. Riley Bruil, the SPSL co-MVP as a junior and averaged 13 ppg as a senior.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: May 01, 2015, 07:59:55 pm »
I wanted to wait to post again until I heard for certain that he was going to transfer, but after a visit to Spokane this last weekend, AJ Grant posted on his Facebook page today that he will be spending his last year of school and basketball at Whitworth. We will miss watching him play at George Fox, but completely understand why he is leaving. We wish him, and the Pirates, continued success!

Has anyone heard anything else on recruiting? Fox posted their "Commitment Day" stuff a few days ago and it looks like they only got one player, a 6-7 kid from Newberg who was 2nd team all league at his high school. Haven't seen anything from anyone else, so I'm wondering if anyone knows anything.

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