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West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: March 03, 2017, 10:16:05 pm »
Another underwhelming NCAA tournament for Whitworth. Love and Jurlina are so good, it's too bad they could never make a deep run in the tournament during their time at WW. A combination of bad luck (the waived off Love 3-pointer), poor free throw shooting...I think Roach missed 4/5 down the stretch, poor shot selection (what was Isaak doing shooting that corner 3?), and 3 straight offensive foul calls did the Bucs in. The 1-3-1 defense was really working for a while in the 2nd half, but they went away from it for a while and CMS pulled away.

I suppose the good news for WW is that Ben Nick and Ben College look like college-ready players. Those two plus a return of Roach means the 2017-18 Pirates will be a tough out. It's easy to second guess now, but it was pretty clear by the end of the season that Nick had probably equalled or surpassed Sears, and College had really overtaken Isaak, yet the older guys continued to get more minutes. The NWC looks like Whitman's for the foreseeable future. Good luck to the Missiona...uh, Blues the rest of the tournament.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: February 26, 2017, 12:12:27 am »
Whitworth blew a chance to put em away, but I think this is all they really needed. They've got some tape on themselves playing better than Whitman and hopefully the confidence that goes along with it.

Whitman wins in OT. Great game. Whitworth was up 10 with something like 5 minutes left and couldn't put them away. Some bad TO's killed WW down the stretch. Credit to Whitman's pressure for that--though that was a quick 5-second count on Love. Other than a trophy, this game was meaningless. No doubt WW travels to W2 next weekend.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: February 25, 2017, 11:57:31 pm »
Whitman and Whitworth are in OT.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: February 24, 2017, 02:37:33 am »
2017 All-NWC Men's Basketball announced; Howell, Vickers and Rosenberg Earn Top Honors

First Team

G / Tim Howell, Whitman
G / JJ Lacey, George Fox
G / Kenny Love, Whitworth
F / Christian Jurlina, Whitworth
W / Jase Harrison, Whitman
G / Brandon Lester, Pacific Lutheran
Player of the Year  - Tim Howell, Whitman
Freshman of the Year  - Andrew Vickers, Lewis & Clark
Coach of the Year Shanan Rosenberg, Linfield

Well, I was close  ;D

I got POY & 4/5 1st teamers right (had Roach instead of Love...and though I think Roach has been better, Love led the league in assists and it's sort of a lifetime achievement, so I won't argue with that selection). I was way off on COY. As good as Rose has been at rebuilding Linfield over the last 4 years, only one team has been great this year. So as much as I can't stand to say it, Bridge deserved COY. Anybody seen Blackhawk? I would have thought he'd be all over this board telling us how Bridge is the GOAT (or maybe 2nd GOAT to Popovich).

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: February 18, 2017, 03:51:34 am »
If I did my math right, I believe we have our 4 tourney teams:
1) Whitman
2) Whitworth
3-4 tbd) Linfield & George Fox -- though obviously Linfield has a better shot at the 3 since they play WIL & Fox plays WM

So I'm guessing next weekend looks like:
Fox @ WM
Linfield @ WW

I don't think Fox or Lin are on the level of the Whits, so I'd guess it will be a WW/WM showdown for the tournament. I think both are safe to get into the national tournament, no matter the result. This is WM's year, so I think they take the tournament.

Thoughts on NWC awards?
Here are mine
POY - Howell (WM)
COY - Bridge

1st team

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: March 12, 2016, 01:58:07 am »
Congrats to WM. They had a good run, and they have a good foundation. Glad they got a taste WW's road the last decade because as they found out, it's not as easy as it looks.

PLU and UPS also have decent foundations going forward. It looks like the state of WA has a stranglehold on this conference--especially the eastern half.

Way too early 2016-17 predictions:
1- WW, 2- WM, 3- PLU, 4- UPS, 5- LC, 6- Pacific, 7- Will 8- Lin 9- GF

POY: Howell
1st team: Love, Jurlina, McDonald, Lester, Meyer

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: March 06, 2016, 03:48:06 pm »
Rat, you're not hurting anyone's feelings. It's just disappointing that there's no class in defeat
Then, to hear his comments at the end of the game, it just came across as a poor representation of the university. Very poor.

Ugh, this is so stupid to argue over. Stop finger pointing. Howell was not representing Whitman well at the end of that game, and maybe Bob was not representing Whitworth well either. Get over it. It an emotional game, and--get this--people get emotionally invested, and let's be honest, that's what makes sports so fun.

Now the clear path foul: I didn't think that was a college rule, but WW got called for a clear path foul on PLU in the NWC tournament. So that definitely needs to be cleared up this offseason. Anyway, I know WM doesn't have a football team, but whoever committed that foul would make a great football player.

Let's shift the attention to where it should be, the game. Unbelievably well played game by both teams. Very cool to see fans from other parts of the country watching this game and commenting on how well played it was, and how good the teams were.

Agree with this 100%. Both teams played well, and hopefully this gives the rest of the country a look at NWC basketball. And don't forget that PLU beat Whitman twice at their home court this year and played well in Vegas, so there really are 3 national-level teams in the conference. There i$ a rea$on we don't ever get a team deep in the tourney, and it'$ not lack of talent.

First off, Whitworth players:  Valle. Wow. What a performance. He really came to play tonight. Jurlina-solid. Kenny Love...I mean...he's THAT good.

Agree again. And props to Howell & McD. They are absolute studs too. I'm glad we have another year of Howell/McD vs. Love/CJ. Best NWC rivalry since Williams/Foster vs. Williams/Symes 10 years ago. Did we get a clarification if McD is a so. or a jr.?

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: March 06, 2016, 02:57:21 am »
Congrats to Whitman. McDonald and Howell played their best half of basketball at the right time. Makes you wonder how they lose games to much worse opponents. And don't worry blackhawks, when they don't make it to Salem, none of us Pirate fans will say their season was anything but a success. Been through the gauntlet that is the western half of the d3 tourney bracket. Good luck!

^^This. Well said, 509.

A couple other thoughts.

(1) Stop raging on Bob. Dave, you are right that calling Whitman punks (or whatever, I didn't hear that part of the call) shouldn't have been said, but 509 is right too that they were acting like punks. I don't blame them, I probably would have acted that way too in an emotional college game against my rival at their home court with their loud fans. But Dave, those refs were horrid tonight--and it's not just that non intentional call. Just an unreal amount of incompetence for an NCAA game, which is unfortunate. Bob is an official himself, so he is often over-the-top kind to refs. I don't blame him for saying something about the refs in an emotional game between two rivals. Stop with the holier than thou stuff.

(2) Howell is a freak. I'm now 100% convinced he's the best player in the conference even if he didn't win POY this year (I was only 75% convinced before ;D). Geez. He threw up so many wild shots and they all fell. He's going to be annoyingly good for the next two years, isn't he? It was fun to see 5 of the best 6 players in the NWC all on the floor at the same time. Hey blackhawk, there seems to be some difference on McDonald's eligibility. I've seen him listed as a sophomore and a junior. Do you know which it is? I hope it's a junior. I can't imagine having to face Howell and McD the next two years. I'm guessing this is how most teams felt about Love and Jurlina last year (and this year and next year).

(3) WW will be fine going forward. Other than Valle, they return everyone who played major minutes this season. I would imagine Roach and Bishop will see a lot more playing time going forward as they go into their sophomore year. WM will be fine too. As long as they have Howell and McD they will be as good as anyone. The road to the NWC title will go through Eastern Washington for the foreseeable future.

(4) Good luck to WM going through the west. WW has nothing to hang their heads over. They won yet another NWC regular season and tournament title, and lost to a really good team in the tournament in a game that could have gone either way. Both teams are deserving of the sweet 16, but region and logistics and all that.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: March 04, 2016, 12:05:22 am »
Whitman announcing team is horrendous. Luckily the basketball team has really started playing good basketball the last 5 min of this 2nd half. The full court press is on and I really hope they use it Saturday since it's working really well for them tonight.


The only thing not going Whitman's way down the stretch was their free throw shooting.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: February 27, 2016, 12:40:22 am »
Agree with Rat and Buc. I'm sure Dickerson will be happy to hear he won the NWC board's vote for COY  :D

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: February 26, 2016, 12:30:46 am »
Blackhawk, you alive buddy?

Congrats to PLU--they are a tough team and will no doubt give WW a run Saturday. Those guards man. Lester had 29 tonight. I assume WM is going to be the biggest WW fans Saturday, I can't imagine they get a bid if PLU wins. WW took care of business tonight.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: February 24, 2016, 04:59:38 pm »
The all nwc teams are in...
POY - Valle
COY - Bridge

1st team
Howell, Love, Jurlina, Meyer, Lester

Meyer is the only surprise IMO, but the coaches game plan for other teams so I guess they would know.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: February 21, 2016, 12:38:31 am »
BruinFan you do a great job keeping this site up to date on NWC womens hoops. As a Whitworth fan, they played GF tough in Spokane. Do you think Whitworth has any chance? Do you think Whitman could pull an upset on UPS? Or do you think the seeds will play out?

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: February 21, 2016, 12:13:12 am »
Onto the playoffs, PLU is dangerous. Very dangerous. Brandon Lester is going to be haunting my nightmares for the next week. You can tell he is a big game player too. However, if WMN can get Austin Butler matched up with him, I think Butler locks him up--meaning holds him under 15.

Lester had 24 tonight vs WW. He's a tough, tough player and by himself kept PLU in the game.

All NWC team (in order)
POTY: Jurlina

I don't necessarily agree with above--I think Austin butler should have that last spot. I also think Christian McDonald is a strong candidate, but likely a 2nd teamer.  IMO Kenny love is the POTY, but his stats haven't "wowed" so I don't think he gets the nod.

I have the same as you bh, except I have Valle and Jurlina switched. Though it wouldn't totally shock me if McDonald slipped past Luedtke.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: February 20, 2016, 10:56:47 pm »
Another year with the same storyline. Whits split, WW takes care of the rest, WM drops one along the way giving WW the title. Feels like I'm watching the movie Groundhogs Day.

Hard not to agree with you Blackhawk. It does feel like WM is getting better as WW is fighting to hang on, but I also think WM is a team that is built for higher highs and lower lows. WW sort of stays steady, rarely blows anyone away, but grinds out a ton of games. WM can blow teams out of the water--as we've seen many times--but they are susceptible to a bad night or two along the way. The conference tourney will be fun. UPS @ WW, PLU @ WM. Thoughts on end of season awards?

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