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West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: November 30, 2015, 08:59:32 pm »
New poll is out:

Whitworth up to #2, Whitman & PLU both receive votes.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: October 29, 2015, 11:25:27 pm »
Seriously though...

I would be guessing that 5-9 will be a logjam without a clear cut best #5. The 2-4 should be entertaining. Heard that Linfield brought in a bunch of guards

That order looks about right to me. I saw Whitman brought in some studs. Always hard to tell by their press release because every year they make it sound like the greatest class in the history of D3, but this one actually does good. Link:

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: October 22, 2015, 07:39:04 pm »
Whitworth is pre-season #3!   :o :o :o

I think they'll be good, but #3 good? They have a lot of questions in the post that need to be answered. They are VERY good and VERY deep at guard though, so maybe they'll throw out a small lineup and just win by running-and-gunning. Seems like until their post play becomes proven, a good team that plays half-court offense with some bigs could beat this team. Guess we will see!

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: May 08, 2015, 02:33:26 am »
Some of the new Whitworth players

Bucs reload for '15-16

FWIW, Whitworth basketball posted highlight videos of their recruits here

Worst kept secret on earth is that AJ Grant is coming to Whitworth. The Whitworth basketball account posted his highlight film on their page and under his video wrote that he's Whitworth class of 2016. He's not mentioned in the Whitworth press release, but all indications are that he's a Buc. Bishop looks like a solid prospect. 6-8 lefty and good at sealing off. CJ Johnson looks like another George Valle. Tweener who uses efficiency, craftiness and IQ to get good shots. Looks like a better long-range shooter than Valle. AJ Grant was the pre-season POY last year, and yet Kyle Roach might be the recruit I'm most looking forward to seeing. He looks like he has it all, plus 37 ppg and 10 rpg as a senior isn't bad for a guard. Could Whitworth go to a Kentucky-like platoon rotation next year? Then blackhawk could be right in comparing Whitworth to Kentucky.

Whitman got a prospect today. A kid from Northern California named Ryan Stewart. Apparently he turned down a walk-on offer from Arizona. My favorite part of that article was his final quote about going to Whitman: “They’ve done very well the last couple of years,” he said. “They always have trouble with this school, Whitworth, and they often make it to the championship and lose to them.” He sure knows what he's getting into  ;D

Linfield has also announced a recruit. Riley Bruil, the SPSL co-MVP as a junior and averaged 13 ppg as a senior.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: May 01, 2015, 07:59:55 pm »
I wanted to wait to post again until I heard for certain that he was going to transfer, but after a visit to Spokane this last weekend, AJ Grant posted on his Facebook page today that he will be spending his last year of school and basketball at Whitworth. We will miss watching him play at George Fox, but completely understand why he is leaving. We wish him, and the Pirates, continued success!

Has anyone heard anything else on recruiting? Fox posted their "Commitment Day" stuff a few days ago and it looks like they only got one player, a 6-7 kid from Newberg who was 2nd team all league at his high school. Haven't seen anything from anyone else, so I'm wondering if anyone knows anything.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: March 07, 2015, 10:35:02 pm »
Tough loss for the Pirates tonight. Very similar to last season where missed free throws down the stretch killed us. I think we missed 3 straight in the closing minutes if memory serves. Credit to Emory, when Whitworth led by 12 with 8 minutes left, it looked like if Whitworth could push it to 16+ it would be over. But Emory chipped away at the lead and won. Like Rat said, WW will retool and win again next year. Can't wait to see the Pirates with Love and Jurlina a year older--plus with Staudacher and Valle back, should be another good year.

I'm interested to see how recruiting goes for WW. Hopefully they can bring in some bigs to replace Wilks and Farnsworth. Plus some more depth at forward would be nice too. Between Love/Staudacher/Isaak/Brown we are pretty set at guard next year. As always, I will be interested to see who other teams bring in as well to try and dethrone the champs.

West Region / Re: MBB: Northwest Conference
« on: March 06, 2015, 08:08:57 pm »
I did not get a chance to watch the game but it look like a solid win for Whitworth. On to the second round.

First half was pretty tight, but the difference was on the defensive end. Pirates held LG to only 17 second half points. Kenny Love's 3 at the end of the 1st half to tie the game at 43 was a big momentum boost into the 2nd half. Great win for the Pirates. On to the next round.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: February 27, 2015, 04:35:39 pm »
Yeah... I'm just trying to allow for the outside chance... but I would agree, Whitworth could be done.

Whitworth or Whitman?

And, yeah, I could definitely see Whitworth not hosting at all if the cards fall as they might. But a win tomorrow helps.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: February 27, 2015, 04:28:49 pm »
Whitman and Whitworth are in serious danger of not getting at large bids because a loss will do nothing to justify being ahead of Buena Vista. Those SOS numbers are not good this season.

The only way Whitworth finishes third in the region is if they win the AQ... and hosting has far less to do with where they are ranked and more with the fact Whitworth would host the SCIAC winner and then fly to wherever the bye team is located for the second round. Whitworth sure as heck isn't hosting a full pod.

When I said hosting, I should have made it more clear: I think Whitworth will continue the tradition of hosting a SCIAC team. I doubt they host more than that. I wasn't saying they will (or even should) host an entire pod--just the West Coast game. I still think Whitworth will get in no matter what--if they lose tomorrow, I bet they host the winner of SCIAC/LC. If they win, then I bet they get either host a SCIAC team or get sent somewhere.

Dave, I would say Whitman is more than in serious danger of not getting an large bid. There's no way they are in at this point--unless something crazy happens. You can't lose to Pacific AND LC and still expect to get in--especially in the beautiful PNW.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: February 27, 2015, 03:25:31 am »
My gripe with WW has always been that they're not a national level team after 7 years of winning it.  I can't recall, it must have been A Buc, who seems to have some logic, who pointed out the trajectory of WW right before Hayford left, and a bit of a restart with Logie.  That was a very strong point.  I liked that.

I think that was me.

With how the NWC has matched up on a national level in past years, were you the committee, you'd give them an at large over the other western conferences??

Yeah, YOU might not think they're national quality, but you are not the lone voter (or even a voter). The #16 national ranking seems to tell me otherwise. Plus Whitworth will jump Whitman for sure in the regional rankings. Might even jump Buena Vista (West #3) who lost tonight too. I think it's entirely realistic that Whitworth ends the season as the #3 team in the west--good enough to host, I would think.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: February 27, 2015, 01:22:48 am »
If blackhawks would stick to giving us insight on Whitman (scouting reports, gameplans, game recaps, etc) and some game/league standing predictions, he would be a fantastic poster. Its the whole, post a bunch of factually incorrect garbage that makes him unlikeable sometimes.

Death, taxes, and Blackhawk making baseless claims about WM winning that never come true. This may be overkill, but after all the talking Blackhawk does, I don't care. Loved that Whitworth won tonight, LOVED that Whitman lost tonight.

Should be a good game Saturday. Hopefully Whitworth takes care of business as usual. I think at this point Whitworth is probably into the tournament either way. If they win, they're the only NWC team in. If they lose, they probably host LC in the 1st round--or the LC/SCIAC winner. Can't imagine the #16 team not in right? Right...?

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: February 25, 2015, 03:13:49 pm »
First game the chances of winning are:      0.99  (that means they will beat that team 99 times out of hundred for the UPS grads out there).

 ;D ;D ;D

Blackhawk, Whitworth is not an overachiever. Ya happy? Whitworth is also not an underachiever. They have won when the conference was tough and when the conference was weak. They've never won a national championship, but they continue to win conference championships. Remember--we're the first team in NWC history to win 6 straight undisputed championships--so we are achievers.

Secondly, your Whitney/Wally/Will (great names BTW) analogy fails a bit. When Logie inherited WW, they were #1 in the nation. So, like a 99% student. Today they are a 91-93% student...not quite as strong of a student, but still in the upper tier of students. Also remember that when Hayford left, he took his recruits that year with him (Tyler Harvey who leads all D1 in scoring, Parker Kelley who is a solid starter at EWU and Collin Chiverton who was Big Sky Newcomer of the Year as a JC transfer). Logie basically had to come in and start from scratch. And while he hasn't maintained the Top 10 in the country year-in and year-out that Hayford had rolling by the end of his tenure, Logie has kept this team as a consistent Top 20 team. It took Hayford 6-7 years to really make The Leap, so don't write off Logie just yet.

BH, because I compromised a bit, I'm asking you to compromise a bit. So say it with me: Willamette exceeded expectations this year.

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: February 24, 2015, 04:19:14 pm »
All-NWC is out. Blackhawk, I was pretty close! Wettig got 1st team over Clough, other than that I got it. Ovchinnikov also got 2nd team.

Love = POTY makes sense. I thought either he or Jurlina would get it. K-Love really turned it on the 2nd half of the season. Logie got COTY which I'm fine with. I personally thought Kip should have gotten it, but who am I to argue against a Pirate?

First Team: Love, Jurlina, Holden, Luedtke, Mounier & Wettig
Second Team: Appleton, Clough, Luhnow, Ovchinnikov, Martin (so basically the LC and WM teams)
HM: Barber, Farnsworth, Valle, McDonald, McNally

All in all, pretty fair. WW got rewarded with 2 1st teamers and 2 HM's, WM got 4 total as well spread across, LC got 3. IMO, the best part is that while Holden and Mounier are seniors, we still get 2 more years of Jurlina and Love  ;D

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: February 24, 2015, 01:59:39 am »
...yet cry that it cant be done yourself.

Never said it can't. Just said it's hard. It's not the snap of the fingers that you make it sound like. However, we're up to #16 in the d3h polls! But, yes, let's move on.

Everybody has a chance since they're here. Pirates only won the regular season games by 8 (in Salem) and 7 (in Spokane), so it's not a complete mismatch. WILL is a weird team--they beat UPS, hung with WW, WM and LC, but then lost to LIN? What gives? I actually think WILL/WW will be closer than WM/LC. WW isn't built to blow people out, but methodically win. WM is built to blow teams out of the water, or if they're having an off night, lose to Pacific on the road for the 2nd straight year. But I can't imagine LC going into W2 and getting the win.

My guesses: WW by 8, WM by 15. I hope it's WM/WW for the ship. Who ya got?

West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: February 23, 2015, 01:18:22 am »
Don't talk to me about the PNW island, Coach K is at a 5,000 student school in North Carolina with a gym as small as WW competing on a national level against Kentucky, UCLA, Florida, etc. He doesn't celebrate ACC titles, they're a stepping stone for him.

Uhh...did you just compare Duke to Whitworth? Blackhawk, this is why nobody takes what you say seriously! There's also this little thing called scholarships which Coach K can offer, plus the whole "71 players have been selected in the NBA Draft" thing probably doesn't hurt.

We get it. You think Whitworth underperforms in the national tournament. Remember that WW doesn't lose many home NCAA tournament games. MHB is the only one that comes to mind (though I definitely could be missing one). Even the year we were #1 with the national POY we were on the road in the S16/E8. So, yeah, the geography does work against us. We aren't going to neutral sites for the NCAA tournament like Duke. We went to Wooster to play a really good Wooster team on their home floor.

The way you talk about WW sounds like anything less than beating Duke at Cameron is a failed season. Bridge inherited a bad team that had literally nowhere to go but up. Bridge is a good coach, so they got better. Logie inherited a team that entered the NCAA tournament as the #1 TEAM IN THE NATION. Like, there's literally nowhere to go but down. I'm not sure you get that. One team sucked, they got better. One team was very, very, very good and they are still conference champs 4 years later.

Sorry we aren't beating Kentucky yet.

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