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West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: March 13, 2014, 11:13:31 pm »
A couple things that I hope shed light and answer questions. Let's start with Whitman: As a WW fan, I would kill for their gym. I think it's a stinking cool place to play. Our airport hanger is used for the luau, Relay for Life, and a few other orientation events. I believe that the Fieldhouse might be on its way out, as WW looks to improve that facility in the next 10 years. Back to Whitman. They actually do have a load of cash for their men's basketball team. I remembered they got a $3 million gift a few years back and after a quick Google search, all I could find was that their men's tennis blog copy/pasted their official press release (I'm guessing in the Whitman athletics web site transition, they lost some old pressers): http://www.whitmantennis.net/2011/12/05/merry-christmas-whitman-athletics-a-must-read-story/

So yeah, Whitman has some money to spend. For Nate Montgomery, he was overlooked out of HS but WW didn't recruit him for hoops either. I remember Hayford saying something along the lines of "He didn't make the team his freshman year, but he was 6-9 so we kept him around" at his senior thing. I remember he was sort of a clumsy kid who could only dunk his first year on the team, but he turned into a beast.

I'm interested to see who both Bridgeland and Logie bring in next year. It would be nice if Logie could pull another big, but he does have to replace three starting guards. Love and CJ look ready to step up, but looking for that third stud. Wouldn't surprise me if Whitworth plays bigger next year, starting Love/CJ/Valley/Wilkes/Farnsworth. It'll be fun to see how some of the younger players on both teams develop.

As Rat said, WW has Jan Term too. Guess it helps when your team wins. UPS used to have some killer crowds--maybe just against WW--but they were fun crowds when we traveled over there.

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West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: March 04, 2014, 01:09:02 pm »
I don't care what anyone else thinks, but to me two things will never get old on this board:
1) The infighting at Linfield, and 2) The "Bridgeland is the greatest coach ever!!!1!" meme.

On a separate note, Whitworth handled Trinity earlier this season, but the Tigers were without their second leading scorer (Lambert). I expect it to be a different game--though the Pirates have been a little more consistent offensively as of late.


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West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: February 28, 2014, 11:22:54 am »
Honestly, Pinecone, you're embarrassing yourself. Let Rat and A Buc Forver fight your battles for you.

Remember this much too please.

I'm the one weeks ago said that the Whits would win out (except against each other obviously). The rest of the board scoffed.

I'm the one who is on record telling you that Whitman wins the conference this year.--By the way, Whitman beats WW, and Whitman claims the crown (with a better record against the top of the conference).

I'm the one who told you that Whitman goes dancing when they win the conference tourney.

I'm the one who told you months ago that WMN will meet UWSP again.

Just wait...

Whitman needs to be healthy and they need time playing together. Ps. Sophomore stud Tochi Oti showed unbelievable maturity this weekend deferring to WMNs bigs and Mournier, but I'd love to see him find his way on a team with so much talent.

Yeah, I was embarrassing myself. Enjoy watching Whitworth in The Dance...again. ;D

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West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: February 15, 2014, 03:17:25 am »
George Fox 98
Whitman 95

Gotta love the typical Bridgeland letdown game(s). Were they caught looking past GF toward Linfield ;D Blackhawk, you're right. GREATEST COACH EVAR! (And that's coming from a fan of Whitworth, the school that's now apparently down south.)

Gotta agree with Rat, Blackhawk is unbelievable in a "I don't regularly interact with people who think/behave like you so I'm genuinely shocked" kind of way. See you Tuesday.

Bucs roll tonight. Not really much of a game. Linfield has one shooter and the Bucs limited him to just five shots all night, and only one of those was an open look. The Linfield bigs were pretty bad and almost everyone on their roster turns the ball over a ton (19 tonight). They've got a looooong way to go down in McMinnville. Seems like their coach has quite the fiery (read: negative) personality. Guess there's probably not too much to be pumped about except the return of Batiuk next year. Whitworth now has a two game lead with three remaining. However, all three remaining (GF, Whitman, @LC) scare the heck out of me. Should be a great game tomorrow vs. GF! Hope the students come fired up.

On a side note, nice win for Pacific tonight at PLU. They are quietly just a half game behind GF and LC for the final playoff spot.

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West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: February 09, 2014, 03:35:10 am »
Sorry gentleman, the last time WMN won the 'ship may have been in the 80s, but talk to me about Bridgelands resume.

If Whitworth wins the 'ship this year, he will have as many NWC rings as Bridgeland. Yeah, Logie inherited more, but Bridgeland has zero NWC titles with "his guys" at Whitman after five full seasons there. This would be a sixth. There is nobody here that would dispute that Bridgeland is a good coach, but best in the country? C'mon, man.

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West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: February 08, 2014, 11:02:20 pm »
I'll leave it to Rat to tell us how many years in a row WW has been to the NCAA tournament.

Thanks to a freak snowmobiling accident I don't have that many fingers left...

Whitman fans will know though since they've been sitting at home watching all of them.

Last time Whitman won a share of the league title (which they shared with Pacific and Willamette): The Bangles "Walk Like An Egyptian" was the no. 1 song, "The Simpsons" had yet to begin their first season, Ronald Reagan was POTUS, a gallon of gas cost 89 cents, Nelson Mandela still had three more years in prison before being released, and Jack Sikma was in the midst of setting an NBA record with 51-consecutive FT makes.

I won't even begin on the last time Whitman won an outright title...

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West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: December 28, 2013, 06:45:02 pm »
'Cats pick up a guard out of Nevada for next season.

www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/Manogues-James-Sandoval-Commits-to-Linfield-College-237666191.html

James Sandoval is the son of current Nevada Governor, Brian Sandoval.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a recruiting violation for Rosenberg to talk about a student athlete that has not matriculated? I know for sure it is at the D1 level, so I'm guessing it is for the D3 level as well.

Also, this is a weird Whitworth team. It feels like McConnell has regressed, and the youth of Jurlina and Love certainly showed down the stretch. I don't think either of those two have lived up to their hype, though to be fair we are only through the non-conference portion of the schedule their freshman year. Whitworth played their best half of the season today, and played the wost half of their season. Their loss to UWSP looks bad, but it really was a good game for about 34 minutes. Four guys fouled out, they couldn't buy a bucket in the second half and shot right around 50% from the line in the second half.

I'm also not convinced that Drew Sears isn't better than Wilkes, Farnsworth and for sure Loiler. Whitworth has certainly come down from the Hayford era. I think Logie is a good coach, but I don't think he's anywhere close to Hayford.

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West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: November 24, 2013, 02:55:59 am »
If tonight's offensive struggle vs. Colorado College is any indication, this could be an interesting year for the Bucs. After being spoiled for so long, I still think we're the class of the league, but the gap is shrinking. One problem, to me, seems to be that after years of having a go-to post when the team is struggling shooting like they were tonight (21-58 from the floor, 5-23 from 3 and 68% from the FT line), we don't have that post anymore. It seems that Logie is very good at developing guards, but with the way it seems Farnsworth is currently playing, I'm curious if he can develop posts like Hayford could (Montgomery, Friedt, etc.). The other thing is that, despite basically playing four guards and a post, they too often settle down into half court sets and not running in transition.

A lighthearted moment at the game was when SUNY-Old Westbury's team joined the Bucs' student section, taking pictures and videos, and doing the chants with the students. It seemed they had never seen that kind of support before and wanted to join in! They even got the students to do the "left, right, left, right" foul out chant for them as they walked out of the Fieldhouse at halftime. SUNY-OW was a fun team to watch because of their length and athleticism, which hurt UPS down the stretch tonight. Best of luck to them the rest of their season.

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West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: March 15, 2013, 01:56:28 am »
I love all the optimism from across the country about WW's chances this weekend, but let's not count our chickens before they hatch. I know, I know, we already beat them, but at this point in the tournament there are no bad teams. Plus it's tough to beat a good team twice. Pride comes before the fall, etc. It doesn't matter to me how much WW wins by, I just hope they win.

On a side note, if what playball says is true about Doty writing a book about the crap he put up with over the years, I hope he does it. I know I'd read it. I'm sure he has some stories to tell.

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West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: March 11, 2013, 02:40:21 am »
From my perspective, I thought Mack Larkin's shot beat the shot clock before the first T, but it was a bang-bang play. If they had called it the other way, the WW guys would have been upset. Tough call because it was so close; however, the Emory bench clearly was on the court. They also televised the game in eastern Washington, so I'm not sure what the rules are at D3, but I assume they could have looked on those monitors. Not sure why they didn't if it was available.

Second T was an obvious late push. Final T: from what I saw Davis pushed Larkin late (like he did to Farnsworth to pick up the first T), then Larkin's face and Davis' elbow connected seconds later. Not sure how much of the elbow to the face was instigated by Davis. Even as a WW homer, I thought Larkin's ran into Davis' elbow rather than Davis going for Larkin's face. The rumor I've heard is that there was potentially a spitting incident that led to the T. Like I said, it's a rumor, but one that apparently was heard through one of the media outlets. That final T really swung the game for WW, leading to a seven-point possession. Until then it looked like Emory might be staging a comeback.

I thought the officials let the game get out of hand. They really let the physical play go, while calling ticky-tack fouls on both teams. That led to two frustrated teams in an emotional game. WW just happened to stay more composed down the stretch and I'm certain the home court and double-digit lead led to the composure.

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: 2013 Tournament Team Profiles
« on: March 03, 2013, 07:02:23 pm »
Whitworth University (Spokane, Wash.)
24-3 overall, 16-2 conference including tournament
Coach: Matt Logie
Conference: NWC regular and tournament champions (7-straight!)

Usual starters:

PG- Dustin McConnell (5-11, Jr.) 13.6 ppg, 44.2 rpg, 45% from 3, 87% FT
SG- Wade Gebbers (5-11, Sr.) 11.9 ppg, 81.5% FT
SF- George Valle (6-4, Fr.) 12.3 ppg, 3.9 rpg
PF- Mack Larkin (6-5, Sr.) 7.6 ppg, 4.3 rpg
C- Taylor Farnsworth (6-8, So.) 10.4 ppg, 5.3 rpg

Key reserves:

Colton McCargar (6-1 guard, Jr.) 11.9 ppg, 43.8% from 3, 4.1 rpg
Zach Payne (6-6 post, Sr.) 5.0 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 66.3% FG
Robby Douglas (6-1 guard, Jr.) 4.4 ppg
Hank Aldous (6-5 wing, Fr.) 2.9 ppg

Key wins:
Mary Hardin-Baylor (70-61), @Redlands (70-57), Whitman (93-72)

Key losses:
St. Thomas (70-65), Whitman (93-90 OT), George Fox (89-81)

The skinny:
On paper this is probably the least talented Whitworth team in a decade. They donít have those one or two stars of the past (a la Taylor, Montgomery, etc.), but this team is more balanced and probably a bit deeper than any of those previous teams. Everyone knows their role and they do it well. They can win any style, whether teams force them into a half-court set or try to run-and-gun because they have a nice rotation of guards who can play either way. They rarely get outcoached and they donít turn the ball over (fewest per game in the NWC). Theyíre just a well-oiled machine. The problem? They seem to play to their level of their opponents: they barely lost to St. Thomas, yet they also lost at home to George Fox. They can beat any team in this tournament, but they could also lose to any team in this tournament. Having home games to the Elite 8 should help.

WOW!  Sure glad I've got Dustin on my fantasy team!! ;D

Whoops! Try 4.2. Sorry to disappoint!  ;D

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: 2013 Tournament Team Profiles
« on: March 01, 2013, 01:32:13 pm »
Whitworth University (Spokane, Wash.)
24-3 overall, 16-2 conference including tournament
Coach: Matt Logie
Conference: NWC regular and tournament champions (7-straight!)

Usual starters:

PG- Dustin McConnell (5-11, Jr.) 13.6 ppg, 44.2 rpg, 45% from 3, 87% FT
SG- Wade Gebbers (5-11, Sr.) 11.9 ppg, 81.5% FT
SF- George Valle (6-4, Fr.) 12.3 ppg, 3.9 rpg
PF- Mack Larkin (6-5, Sr.) 7.6 ppg, 4.3 rpg
C- Taylor Farnsworth (6-8, So.) 10.4 ppg, 5.3 rpg

Key reserves:

Colton McCargar (6-1 guard, Jr.) 11.9 ppg, 43.8% from 3, 4.1 rpg
Zach Payne (6-6 post, Sr.) 5.0 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 66.3% FG
Robby Douglas (6-1 guard, Jr.) 4.4 ppg
Hank Aldous (6-5 wing, Fr.) 2.9 ppg

Key wins:
Mary Hardin-Baylor (70-61), @Redlands (70-57), Whitman (93-72)

Key losses:
St. Thomas (70-65), Whitman (93-90 OT), George Fox (89-81)

The skinny:
On paper this is probably the least talented Whitworth team in a decade. They donít have those one or two stars of the past (a la Taylor, Montgomery, etc.), but this team is more balanced and probably a bit deeper than any of those previous teams. Everyone knows their role and they do it well. They can win any style, whether teams force them into a half-court set or try to run-and-gun because they have a nice rotation of guards who can play either way. They rarely get outcoached and they donít turn the ball over (fewest per game in the NWC). Theyíre just a well-oiled machine. The problem? They seem to play to their level of their opponents: they barely lost to St. Thomas, yet they also lost at home to George Fox. They can beat any team in this tournament, but they could also lose to any team in this tournament. Having home games to the Elite 8 should help.

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West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: February 20, 2013, 06:21:21 pm »
All-Conference teams have been released: http://www.nwcsports.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/releases/MBB_All_NWC_2013

I actually made up my own before I saw the release and, while I got quite a few right, I missed POY.

My thoughts:
-Not surprised about Sundquist. I think Logie was going to win it until Fox beat WW in Spokane. Then it was Sundquist.
-I think Eisenhardt was the default POY. I don't think he should have gotten it, but I there's nobody who really stood out.
-I thought Gebbers might get POY as sort of a "lifetime achievement" award rather than what he did this year, tho he did make some of WW's most crucial buckets (long 3 @ Fox, almost single-handedly beat WM in Walla Walla).
-If Batiuk plays all season he probably gets POY because he is the best player in the league.
-How did Malley only get HM?!? I had him first team. Granted I basically only watched WW games this season, but he lit us up. He had 30-something last week against us.
-Other than that I was fairly close. I think I had all the players, just had them one level up or down from where they were voted.

Anyone else have thoughts?

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West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: February 07, 2013, 02:37:45 am »
Farnsworth slammed the ball down after his 5th foul. Castle said the T was warranted, but most of the other 20 fouls in the second half and OT were not, supposedly.

Valle got taken down with no foul called late in the game, and then they went down and called an under the back on Farnsworth going for a rebound. You read that right. He had inside position for a rebound and then got called for under the back I guess. Not sure what else it could have been. Just a crazy, crazy call. That was Farnsworth's fourth foul and I think that really frustrated him. He argued into the timeout. Playball, you've never been called for under the back right?!?! Not to harp on that one call, but that one to me was the most egregious in a series of terrible calls. Anyway, Farnsworth got called for a fifth (tough to tell on the video from afar if it was a good or bad call) but he slammed the ball and it went halfway to the ceiling. The Farnsworth T was the best call they made all night. He absolutely deserved it. The other fouls? Not so much.

But it wasn't just fouls they missed, they missed a lot of kicks, travels, etc. I mean, you don't get calls on the road, but this was ridiculous. I know, I know, Whitworth has nothing to complain about, etc. Whatever. Last time the Missionaries ruined our perfect regular season we got to the Elite 8. I'd gladly take a return trip to the E8 or further. Hopefully the Bucs can still host a couple rounds.

About the Seattle Times article, you'd never know it was a rivalry game looking at the Missionary crowd last night. Personally I always thought of UPS and Linfield more as rivals because they were good at sports when I was at WW, but I guess times have changed. Bridgeland has certainly brought a new attitude (and I mean that in every sense of the word) to the Missionaries. Plus with all the money they're starting to pour into athletics, the teams down in Walla Walla are starting to get much better. I think they just ended Whitworth's 100+ dual match win streak a few weeks ago in men's swimming.

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West Region / Re: Northwest Conference
« on: January 12, 2013, 04:33:37 am »
Whitworth did play sloppy tonight, but as some of you called a few days ago, it was Gebbers who hit the big shot when they needed it to lift the Bucs. Many of the turnovers were self-inflicted. A stupid travel here. A bad pass there. But credit the Fox defense for a lot of the turnovers. After Whitworth dominated in the paint early (remember they built a 20-5 lead before Fox went on something like a 26-5 run the rest of the first half), Fox made defensive adjustments to collapse on the WW bigs, which, 1) caused some turnovers from the WW bigs, and 2) opened up a lot of kick-out looks for their guards. It's just their guards went cold for about a 10-minute stretch. Like, really cold.

Second half, WW made a comeback, got up 8-ish before Fox made it a game late. Fox led by six with two minutes left or so when Gebbers came up with a HUGE and DEEP 3. Then WW got defensive stops on their next three or four possessions. Getting defensive stops in the clutch (a la WM's last possession in regulation) has become what this team is all about. WW didn't deserve to win tonight, but they found a way, which is what good teams do. Are they the fifth best team in the nation? They don't have #5 in the nation talent (or probably even top 10 talent), but they just find a way to win games and that's all that matters.

The thing about this team: they aren't the most talented WW team. In fact, they probably are the least talented WW team in a decade. But they are tough, gritty, well-coached, can play any number of styles (won shoot-out with WM and won a grind-it-out game with Fox in three days), and can come up with a stop when they need it. And sometimes that's all it takes.

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