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North Region football / Re: North Region Fan Poll
« on: Today at 08:50:02 am »
I'm the 4 for Franklin. I'm always that guy with them, though. I must be the President of the Mike Leonard Fan Club.

North Region football / Re: North Region Fan Poll
« on: Yesterday at 03:30:43 pm »
Here's the Pre-Season North Region Fan Poll:

1.  Mount Union         80 pts (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1)
2.  North Central        70 pts (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3)
T3. John Carroll         54 pts (2, 2, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6)
T3. Wabash               54 pts (3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 6, 7)
5.  Wittenberg           41 pts (3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 8, 9, -)
6.  Wheaton              39 pts (5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8)
T7. Franklin               35 pts (4, 5, 5, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9)
T7. Heidelberg           35 pts (3, 5, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9)
9.   Illinois Wesleyan  15 pts (7, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, -, -)
10. Wooster                7 pts (8, 10, 10, 10, 10, -, -)

Albion                         4 pts (9, 10, 10, -, -, -, -, -)
Mount St. Joseph         4 pts  (7, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Olivet                          1 pt  (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
Adrian                         1 pt  (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

The North Region Fan Poll is voted on by FCGrizzliesGrad, Li'l Giant, USee, Mr. Ypsi, smedindy, wally_wabash, and myself.

North Region football / Re: North Region Fan Poll
« on: August 26, 2014, 08:06:31 pm »
Hey we're back! Would love a pre-season ballot from y'all whenever you have time. I'll send private messages to everybody too.

North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: August 05, 2014, 10:09:16 am »
Wally, I lean the way you do--that there was never a time when the Bell was shared following a tie.  But that 1935 tie may have been the only time it could have happened.  I hope someone will point Ken in this direction.  As you note, he may know the definitive answer.

I've always thought the same thing. I was always told that the previous owner of the Bell always kept it for the entire year after a tie.

North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: July 28, 2014, 07:07:57 pm »
What about the Wabash team of 2002?  At 12-1, this team really started Wabash's return to top flight football.

We certainly haven't forgotten...we were looking at the Top 25 era which started in 2003.   :)

I tried to forget.

North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: July 27, 2014, 03:46:08 am »
DEPAUW:  I'm looking at the SCAC and NCAC seasons.  My choice is 2010, 9-2, with a playoff loss to Trine, 45-35, after a rocky first half.  There are three seasons of 8-2 and one of 7-2 (the game v. Trinity cancelled).  Of these as runner-up, I like 2008, with a 36-14 win v. Wabash, and losses to Millsaps and Trinity. 

I'd also add 2004. That was an 8-2 team that lost to Wisc-Stout in Lynch's 1st game as HC. Led good Trinity 28-16 with 5 to go. I know the Bell game wasn't aesthetically pleasing, but still a very good team. Also, the 2005 team was pretty good. Battled the heck out of Wesley in the first game under Tim Rogers. Lost the Bell game tight and late. I always believed they would have beaten Trinity that year in San Antonio, but the game was canceled because of Hurricane Rita.

I'd pick 2010, too. But then I'd probably go 2004, 2008, then 2005 as the next best.

North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: July 25, 2014, 03:40:48 am »
In some ways, that's what I was trying to get at: as fans, we can sometimes see "big picture" stuff that coaches miss because they have SO much to think about during games  (I've joked for years that NFL coaches should have a 14-year-old kid that plays copious amounts of Madden standing next to them during any two-minute situation to tell them when to call timeout, having seen countless professional coaches botch the two-minute drill with poor clock management; misuse of challenge flags is another, though that is specific to the NFL), and it's easy for us to point out some of those things in hindsight.

There's admittedly a difference in big-picture, measured critique (like pointing out that the offensive game plan, overall, left something to be desired, or pointing out that a coach didn't appear to be properly motivating his players) versus criticism of isolated decisions (like a single play call, which I've presented here, or a botched timeout).  Still, there are times when the big-picture thing seems SO obvious (like calling a pass at the goal line after 11 straight successful rushing plays) that it's hard to arrive at any other conclusion than "Coach outsmarted himself a bit there."

I think the biggest issue in the 2 minute situation is thinking ahead to play calls. I can run the same dang play down the field all day on a video game. Can't do that in a real game. I need a 7 or 8 play series in less than 2 minutes that will be successful. That's probably all of my best downfield pass plays. I might call one or two plays more than one time in that series, but I'll probably want to do them from different formations, which is also dependent on which hash you're on. Lots of information to process in a very, very short period of time.

Also, the timeout thing can get way over complicated on the headset. "Let's run 2 more plays and call timeout," or "let's get to the 35 and call timeout" are the easy ways to do it, but it doesn't always happen that way. Honestly, having a different guy make the play calls than the guy who calls timeout can be a big problem. Guys argue. The clock is running. The OC wants the timeout. The HC says no. Or the OC is in the box calling plays and the ball is moving. Then the HC calls a timeout for some stupid reason. Totally disrupts the whole drive. I like to run my own drive and call my own plays. I'll call timeout. I know when to call timeout. I don't want a second opinion. I don't want other voices in my head second guessing me. If you get that, you're pretty lucky because everybody usually wants a say in how the 2 minuter goes.

North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: July 06, 2014, 05:39:08 am »
Has there been any research comparing severity of leg injuries playing on artificial turf versus a natural turf? Maybe its me being old school but it seems like leg injuries tend to be more severe playing on artificial.

I think there are lots of factors that could be a cause. It would be tough to pin that on turf. I think it's nothing more than players being faster and  stronger. They create more force when they hit each other. It could also be the change in rules that make players avoid the head. I'm just spouting off now, but do medical advancements lead to more accurate diagnoses than we had even just a generation ago?

I think turf is more forgiving. Your feet come free easier than they do on grass or in mud, which leads to less torque of the knees & ankles. Plus, it's uniform all over. There are no mounds or holes on turf. It's tough to maintain a great grass field at this level.

North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: June 20, 2014, 08:48:20 am »
Honestly, I'm probably not going to like the look of the finished product, but it's all about the message with him. It always has been. That's going to strike a chord with his kids and that's all that matters.

North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: June 19, 2014, 02:09:17 pm »
Creighton at it again. EMU getting gray turf.

North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: June 01, 2014, 05:32:55 am »
Thanks for that.

North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: May 31, 2014, 05:38:01 am »
They need to quit hogging everything and share some with the rest of us.

North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: April 09, 2014, 11:26:16 am »
The biggest issue for Witt is a new OC. Witt's OC from the past few years, Andy Mitchel, is the new OC at Marian in Indy. I did see on footballscoop yesterday that Witt hired Kevin Hoyng from Dayton to be their OC.

North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: February 14, 2014, 08:55:16 am »
Could it be cloaked financial reason?   Does the "hurry up offense" hurt advertising revenues, by making the games shorter?   Do they make games shorter?

I've always believed the opposite. Spread teams tend to work the sidelines more (particularly in the passing game) than pro style teams, which stops the clock more often and lengthens the game. That's not universally true, but that's the general idea behind the spread. You want to make the defense work the entire width of the field with outside routes in the passing game, which allows you more room to run inside. Making tempo teams stand there while the play clock runs but the game clock does not is silly. There's all the talk from the NCAA about trying to shorten games. This is totally counterproductive to that.

My other issue is this: where does being down 14 with 5 minutes to go fall? Do I still have to wait? Isn't that a 2 minute situation for me? What about being down 21 with 9 left?

Also, the top 16 scoring teams in FBS were spread teams that ran up-tempo at least some of the time: Baylor, FSU, Ohio St, Oregon, TAMU, Fresno St, Marshall, ECU, Clemson, AzSt, NIU, Auburn, Mizzou, OKSt, Ball St, Indiana. Bama is 17th. Now, the more touchdowns you score, the breaks there are, right? The more breaks there are, the more ads you can sell. I suppose that's true of any change of possession including punts, but, other than DCs, who wants to watch teams punt more? I don't think the NCAA wants more punts.

From an ad revenue perspective, the fewer 15 play drives that take 7+ minutes of game clock there are, the better, right? Does the NCAA really want to encourage teams to go away from the spread?

North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: February 13, 2014, 05:07:51 pm »
The issue is how to get video to the locker rooms. Would that be the home team's responsibility? Teams have enough issues finding people just to film the games for their purposes from the box and the lift. The Hodges Zapruder film was from an actual broadcast, and I still don't think the quality was good enough to be able to definitively tell whether it was or wasn't targeting. I don't see how ANY call could be overturned if it's from the All-22 film on some monitor (of possibly dubious quality) during a brief halftime.

EDIT: Also, the tempo thing is dumb. If injuries were an issue, offensive guys would be suffering fatigue injuries, as well. They aren't. Line your 11 up to my 11 and let's go. It's already in the rules that if the offense subs, the defense has to have adequate time to sub. There's a good read on Football Scoop about Bielema being the guy pushing for this.

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