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I agree...I'm just repeating what I was told by the coaches. Maybe they were misinformed but they were told the game wouldn't count.

Maybe the coaches just wanted an 'out' for playing a team they'd roll by 60 or so?

Plattsburgh's Coach Curle knew he'd win the game by a huge margin and he was fine with that until he found out that it wouldn't count as a game because of Pine Manor's club status. That's when both SUNYAC schools cancelled their games. Beating up on a D3 team that's not very good is one thing but if the win doesn't count as a win then what's the point?   

They are on as having a team. Their site says nothing about being a club team. Maybe Pat has a ruling on them.

15 minutes in and there's Controversy. Cue Prince...

 I had a discussion about them with Pat over 2 months ago. I didn't think their games would count because they were a first year program  and I thought they would have provisional status.

These were his replies:

Pine Manor will count -- what it will count for, I'm not sure, but they're a D-III program and will count (likely poorly) towards SOS, etc.

Thanks Pat,
I saw this will be their first year with a men's program. Are they in their 1st year of provisional status?

No, Pine Manor is a full Division III member and has been for some time now. Provisional status only applies to a school entering Division III for the first time, not new programs fielded by that school.

Then I was told by coaches from both schools that they were a club team and that Pine Manor's game  wouldn't count in Plattsburgh's or Buff State's standings. So both schools cancelled the games they had scheduled against them. That's all I know. ???     

Hey Grizz,

I think you better find an alternate choice. Pine Manor is D3 because they have other teams that have already competed in D3 but they have never had a basketball team. This year's team is a club team and none of their results will even count in another D3 teams won-lost record. If you play them and win it's like the game never took place as far as the NCAA is concerned. I know this because they ended up in a tournament at Buffalo that Plattsburgh State was going to participate in because the Buff State coach called and told Plattsburgh's coach that he had a team cancel on him and would Plattsburgh, who at the time had an open date, please fill in for him as the 4th team. We agreed to do that only to discover they only had club status and the game woudn't count in our record. We quickly cancelled out of the tournament and Buff State cancelled the tournament because they didn't want to play them either. Pine Manor is worse than picking a provisional team and I don't think "club teams" are eligible for this contest. 

In this year of no clear cut favorite for #1 and so much uncertainty in the Top 25 my Undefeated pick will be my hometown Plattsburgh State Cardinals who have as good a chance as anyone to tun the table. Let the games begin!!

I know that FCGrizzlies will probably beat me in making the 1st choice because he has high speed internet and I don't. :P

For a Winless team I choose my old favorite Caltech 

East Region / Re: Empire 8
« on: Yesterday at 08:24:27 pm »
I think Fisher is the preseason favorite to win the E8 this year. The Ryan kid should improve considerably over last year and if he stays healthy the Cardinals will be team to beat...on paper anyway. ;)

Are we going to allow picks of schools within the provisional status window?

Minimum on D3 games played?

We shouldn't. Too many of them suck.     On second thought I've got a good provisional in mind. ;D Seriously though I don't think we've done that in the past sac, but it's up to the Commissioner. 

Only 46 more hours until we can choose our Undefeated and Winless teams. Time to study the candidates.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Top 25 talk
« on: October 28, 2014, 08:22:56 pm »
Interestingly, MIT (#16 with 246 points) and Eastern Connecticut (#36 with 37 points) are both ranked higher than Plattsburgh State in the preseason poll yet Plattsburgh has more returning talent than either of these teams.

I honestly don't know anything about the Plattsburgh team (so I can't comment on returning talent for them), and I know they had a great game against MIT last year, but just wanted to point out that MIT is returning everybody from last year.  Literally everyone, they had no seniors on last year's squad (they have 5 this season, including 3 likely startes). They have made NCAAs I believe 6 years in a row now. 

I think they are placed pretty appropriately in the rankings, so no complaints here, but I just wanted to make the point about the returning talent in response to your comment.

Hello Hugenerd,
I know that MIT has everyone coming back, I saw that NCAA game and I was quite familiar with MIT's roster. I believe if Plattsburgh  and MIT happen to face off again this year that Plattsburgh will once again come out on top. I think the Cardinals will be better than they were last year.  I can see the Engineers having a decent season but I'll be surprised if they end up in the Top 15. And if they do then Plattsburgh should be in the Top 10. ;)

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Top 25 talk
« on: October 27, 2014, 08:08:12 am »
A team that should have been ranked in the Top 25 in the preseason poll but only received 11 points is Plattsburgh State. The Cardinals made the Sweet 16 last year and ended up in the #24 spot in the final D3hoops poll. Massey had them at #15 in his final poll. Plattsburgh is coming  off consecutive 20 win seasons and went to the NCAA tournament in both of those years. They won a 1st round game 2 years ago and then lost at Amherst to the Lord Jeffs to finish with a 20-9 slate. Last year they beat MIT 76-53 in the 1st round and then defeated Eastern Connecticut 70-60 to reach the Sweet 16. They lost at Amherst once again to end their season with a 24-6 record. Interestingly, MIT (#16 with 246 points) and Eastern Connecticut (#36 with 37 points) are both ranked higher than Plattsburgh State in the preseason poll yet Plattsburgh has more returning talent than either of these teams. Pat mentioned to me, in a post over on the SUNYAC board, that he didn't receive any info back from Plattsburgh and I assume that's the reason for the Cardinals low point total. No team in the East Region has been to the NCAA tournament more than Plattsburgh State (6 appearances) in the past 9 years and the Cardinals have won 20 games 5 times in the past 8 seasons. Both of these indicate a successful program and under Coach Tom Curle's leadership they have proven to be among the top schools in the SUNYAC conference and the East Region more often than not.

Not many schools can lose 3 starters to graduation and yet claim to return 5 starters. Due to an odd set of circumstances that is exactly the situation that Plattsburgh has this year. And only 4 of those 5 returning starters will start and possibly only 3 will start.

In addition to the 2 starters that return from last year's team the Cardinals return 3 players that started 2 years ago.

One of those players, 6'6" senior forward Ezra Hodgson, started 26 of 28 games 2 years ago but last year became the team's 6th man for the most part and only started 12 games. Ezra enters this year with 594 career points and has averaged 8.6 ppg the past 2 years. He had 27 points against MIT in last years NCAA contest. He is a 40% shooter from 3 point range (made 46 last year, 40 the year before), 47% from the field and 81% from the line. He averaged 11.1 ppg for the final 17 games last year. He averaged 17.1 ppg in the SUNYAC tournament and made the All-Tournament team. His ability to hit the clutch shot down the stretch has been huge for the Cardinals in a number of games the past 2 years.

A 2nd former starter that returns for his senior season is 6'2" guard Jordan Moody. Jordan played in 6 games last year but had to take a leave of absence from the team due to an internship he needed for his studies. Jordan started 5 of those 6 games and was averaging 11.8 ppg. The previous year as a sophomore he started 23 of 29 games and averaged 10.0 ppg. He shot 49.5 % from the field 2 years ago and 53% in the 6 games last year. He has the quickest 1st step on the team and can get to the rim easily with his speed and athleticism.

The 3rd former starter that returns for his final year is 5th year senior Reggie Williams. Reggie is a 6'6" 240 lb forward who is returning from a medical redshirt that saw him miss the entire 2013-14 season with a fracture in his foot. 3 years ago Reggie started 25 of 26 games as a sophomore. His junior year Reggie was asked to be the 6th man and occasional starter  which he did until the Cardinals lost another player to a season ending injury. Reggie started the final  6 games of the 2012-13 season and averaged 10.0 ppg with 5.2 rpg. He was the 2nd leading shot blocker in the SUNYAC conference with 1.4 bpg.

The top returning scorer for the Cardinals is 6'2"  senior shooting guard Shamoy McIntosh. Shamoy has started 52 of 56 games in the past 2 years and will go over the 1000 point mark in the early part of his final season with the Cardinals. Last year he averaged 12.9 ppg and 4.0 rpg. He shot 36 % from the field, 33% from long range (42 3's last year)  and 76.4% from the line.

The other returning starter from last year is 6'1" junior guard Eddie Correa. Eddie started 25 of 30 games last year and averaged 10.9 ppg and 2.6 rpg. He is the top 3 point shooter on the team as he had 81 3's last year after making 31 his freshman year. Eddie shot 36.2% from the field and 37.5 % from 3 point range. He was 82.9% from the line. I expect him to improve on all those numbers this year after seeing him at practice the past few weeks.

So there's the 5 returning starters, 4 of whom averaged double figures, and the one that didn't, Hodgson, at 8.6 ppg, is capable of being the leading scorer on the team this year, as he will start, instead of coming off the bench, as he did for most of last year.

One of the above mentioned guards, either Correa or Moody won't be starting this year because the back-up point guard for the past 2 years, 5'7" senior, Mike Mitchell, will be the floor general this year. Mitchell has only started 3 of 57 games in the past 2 years but has averaged 17 minutes of floor time and is ready to direct the Cardinal offense. He averaged 5.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg and 1.5 apg last season. He is a superb passer and also an excellent 3 point shooter in his own right. He had six 3 pointers at Cortland last year to lead the Cards in that win and was the most accurate 3 point shooter on the team as he canned 31 of 70 attempts from long distance for a 44.3 percentage. Mike had double digits in points on 6 occasions last season. He shot 46.4% from the field, 70% from the line and had 129 assists the past 2 seasons off the bench. 

Bench players returning:

Xavier Thomas...6'2" junior guard/forward who has the highest vertical leap on the team. Had 148 points (4.9 ppg) and 108 rebounds (3.6 rpg) in 30 games off the bench last season. Xavier averaged 12 minutes a game and tied for the team lead in blocks. Had a career high 21 points and 12 rebounds at Buffalo State last year. He hit the weight room big time over the summer and will see more action this year.

Alan Siergiej...6'6" senior forward who is the blue collar worker on the team. Played in 28 games last year and averaged 2.4 ppg and 1.5 rpg in 7 minutes of court time per game. Shot 60% from the field and 73.7% from the line. Does all the little things to help the team. Had a season high 14 points against Fredonia State and scored 10 points in the NCAA game against MIT.

Gary Tibbs...6'4" senior forward who returns to the team after sitting out last year. Has played in 47 games for the Cardinals with 4 starts his sophomore season. Has a career average of 2.3 ppg and 2.1 rpg. Averages 50% from the field.

Vaughn Dweck...6"4" sophomore forward who saw limited action last year. Appeared in 10 games and averaged 1.6 ppg. Has improved his game over the summer and his shooting ability will be an asset. 

Owen Mitchell...6'4" sophomore who also saw limited action last year. Appeared in 12 games and averaged 0.8 ppg. Owen also is progressing nicely and will see an increase in his floor time this year.


Kyle Richardson...6'4" junior forward who transferred to Plattsburgh from Division II Millersville University could also find himself in the starting lineup as he will push the returning   Plattsburgh veterans. He started 10 of 27 games for Millersville last year and averaged 5.4 ppg and 2.9 rpg. Scored 24 points and 20 points for season highs. Very athletic and a good rebounder. Was 2nd on the Millersville team in blocked shots with 30.

Tyler Coppin-Carter...6' 2" sophomore guard who is another transfer that will get meaningful minutes in the Cardinals backcourt.

Zach Coleman...6'2" freshman guard who will be groomed to take over the point guard position from Mitchell. He will also get some quality playing this year.

I think this year's Cardinal team could be better than last season's 24-6 team. Last year they averaged almost 78 ppg and despite losing 34 ppg through graduation they will return over 70 ppg because of their unique situation. I expect 4 players to average double figures and it wouldn't surprise me if 5 double digit scorers emerge. There will probably be at least a 10 man rotation that will see double digit minutes as the Cardinals have the talent to come at you in waves.  I believe they are the team to beat in the SUNYAC conference after just missing  out  last year and finishing 2nd to Brockport State. The previous year they were 2nd to Cortland State. The SUNYAC had 3 teams receiving points in the preseason poll which I'm fairly sure hasn't happened in the past.  The Cardinals were ranked behind Brockport and Geneseo in the poll and I expect those 3 teams to battle for conference supremecy.   It will be another interesting year in the conference to say the least.

Plattsburgh traveled to Vermont on Saturday to take on Division II St. Michaels College in a scrimmage. They defeated the Purple Knights by a 4 point margin.   

Sorry for the long post, I wanted to give Pat, Dave and any other Top 25 voter who checks out this board the correct information on Plattsburgh State, since they apparently didn't get much info from the school to form an opinion about the team.

And yes I'm slightly biased but I noticed some chatter about other posters' favorite teams and saw they were out there plugging away.

TGHIJGSTO, Baby. ;)     

East Region / Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
« on: October 23, 2014, 08:27:16 pm »
The preseason poll has 3 teams from the SUNYAC which may be the 1st time that has ever happened. Too bad that D3hoops didn't get any requested info from Plattsburgh State. Knowing a fair amount about the teams in the Top 25, I really feel that Plattsburgh State belongs in the Top 16. MIT, a team that we beat handily in the NCAA's last year is ranked #16. Eastern Connecticut, another team we beat in the NCAA's is ranked 36th with 37 points to the Cardinals' 11 points. Plattsburgh has more returning talent than either of these teams. The Cardinals will just have to prove they are one of the Top 25 teams in the country as they did last year. Hopefully it won't take until the final poll this season. ;)

East Region / Re: MBB: State University of New York Athletic Conference
« on: October 23, 2014, 02:49:10 am »
I think they should be ranked in the DIII hoops pre-season poll based on their finish last year and the returning talent but I won't be surprised if they're omitted.

I believe you'll be correct, but not because I didn't try. I made multiple attempts to get preseason information from Plattsburgh and was unsuccessful.

Wish I'd have known that Pat, I would have done my best to make it happen. The Cardinals should be better than they were last year. 16 players on a roster that is loaded with talent. I went to practice on Tuesday night after the Coach had made his cuts. Eleven returning lettermen, includes 5 players who have seen ample time as starters over the past several years. Two of those players missed all or most of last year but started the previous year and averaged double figures at that time. Four players on this year's team have averaged double figures either last year, the previous year or the last 2 years.  New faces include a DII transfer Kyle Richardson, who is a 6'5" forward and will push hard to crack the starting lineup as well. Tyler Coppin-Carter transfers in also and will provide help in the backcourt. Freshman shooting guard Tim Smith arrives from Australia and Freshman Zack Coleman is also expected to play an important role as the back-up point guard. The Cardinals could start any mix of 10 players and not miss a beat. Coming off back to back 20 win seasons, Plattsburgh will be looking to win the SUNYAC tournament after falling just short in the past 2 years. Their 25 game schedule only has them home for 10 games. They open the season November 15th against Elizabethtown at the Lycoming Tip Off Tournament and won't have a home game until December 5th.         

Northeast Region / Re: GNAC
« on: October 23, 2014, 02:13:40 am »
Is the Albertus/Western game @ Western or AMC??
Hey 7 express,
You don't read your own board? I gave you that info on the LEC board three weeks ago, back on October 1st. ::) Along with the Plattsburgh State game and the College of New Jersey game.

Northeast Region / Re: Little East
« on: October 22, 2014, 11:24:27 pm »
7express....still pondering.  Not to good in such play, and many other excuses including not smart enough for such things.  My days War gaming in Newport told me that fact.
You sandbagger!
I wouldn't be surprised if you already had an algorithm for this game, amh63.

I agree with middhoops...I think amh63 is sandbagging us. Watch him join and run away with the  pick 'em title.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: D3 Men's National Pick Em League
« on: October 22, 2014, 08:27:35 pm »
Sorry I started something Greek. I saw everybody had picked a week except big John and forgot that we may get some newbies this year. Wanted to get a 2nd week in if I could while the getting was good.

On a separate note, I'm changing my week because the week that I chose got changed and the reason I chose that week had games I liked that got switched into a different week. So I'm not taking week #9, I'm taking week # 15 instead.

WK 1: Nov 10 - Nov 16: Greek Tragedy
WK 2: Nov 17 - Nov 23: KnightSlappy
WK 3: Nov 24 - Nov 30: ronk
WK 4: Dec 1 - Dec 7 - HoopsFan
WK 5: Dec 8 - Dec 14:
WK 6: Dec 15 - Dec 21
WK 7: Dec 22 - Dec 30*: 7express
WK 8: Dec 31* - Jan 6*
WK 9: Jan 7* - Jan 11:
WK 10: Jan 12 - Jan 18: Gregory Sager
WK 11: Jan 19 - Jan 25: Mr. Ypsi
WK 12: Jan 26 - Feb 1: SmedIndy
WK 13: Feb 2 - Feb 8: Ziggy
WK 14: Feb 9 - Feb 15 FCGrizzliesGrad
WK 15: Feb 16 - Feb 22: magicman   

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