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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Top 25 talk
« on: January 02, 2017, 10:40:22 pm »
WashU is coming off two wins over Ohio Wesleyan and Wooster two names that carry a lot of weight with voters.  Whether they really should carry a lot of weight this year is yet to be determined.

Well sure, but IWU beat the same Ohio Wesleyan team at Ohio Wesleyan...and Wooster is 6-6.  Neither OWU or Wooster has any votes in this week's poll.

During the same voting period, IWU had an 18-point win vs Chicago (receiving votes) and a 2-point neutral court loss vs #22 Middlebury.

Seems strange that those results would trump IWU's head-to-head win at Wash U.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Top 25 talk
« on: January 02, 2017, 10:27:31 pm »
... especially given how recent the Titans' win over the Bears was. I could possibly see Wash U getting the nod over IWU if their game had been played back in November, if other factors favored the Bears, but that game was only played two weeks ago. And while it was only a one-point decision, it was played in St. Louis on Wash U's home floor.

And outside of the recent head-to-head IWU win at Wash U, I don't see what in Wash U's resume would trump that...

Wash U Losses
* at home vs #7 UW-Eau Claire by 14
* at Central (no votes) by 4
* at home vs Illinois Wesleyan by 1

Illinois Wesleyan Losses
* at North Central (receiving votes) by 9
* at home vs #10 North Park by 4
* neutral court vs #22 Middlebury by 2

As far as "good wins", IWU has an 18-point win over Chicago (receiving votes).  Wash U has wins at Augustana and at Wooster (neither are receiving votes).  IWU won at Ohio Wesleyan by 18...Wash U beat Ohio Wesleyan by 16 on a neutral floor.

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: January 02, 2017, 09:58:22 pm »
Massey has 3 CCIW teams in the top 25:

#10 - North Park
#16 - Illinois Wesleyan
#20 - Augustana

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Top 25 talk
« on: January 02, 2017, 09:26:47 pm »
It seems very odd that Wash U is ranked ahead of Illinois Wesleyan.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Top 25 talk
« on: January 01, 2017, 04:06:58 pm »
Scary bit of info on Whitewater.  This squad sounds a bit like the 1996 Rowan team in terms of its composition; that Rowan team might not be the best TEAM I've seen in D3 but it was easily the most individually talented. 

I'm confident Whitewater is not as talented as the '96 Rowan team - and probably not even all that close.  Unfortunately I saw the Profs close up (Rowan 79 IWU 77, national semifinal in Salem) and that was a whole different level.  Antwan Dasher was the the 5th all-time leading scorer in D1 Fairleigh Dickinson history, and accomplished that in 3 years; 6-10 Demetrius Pole was a good player at D1 St. Joseph's; Roscoe Harris was the most talented, having started at D1 Villanova for 3 years, playing alongside Kerry Kittles (Harris scored 24 vs Georgetown); and Terrance Stewart, the homegrown Rowan guy, was probably the most valuable player on the team.

There has not been a D3 team anywhere near as talented as the 1996 Rowan team since then and I doubt there ever will be again...unless the NCAA opens that loophole back up again.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Top 25 talk
« on: January 01, 2017, 12:17:57 pm »
Whitewater (who I admittedly haven't seen) MIGHT emerge as a team on a whole different level just because of all the transfer and frosh talent they have added to a core of some other solid players.  On paper (both statistically and looking at roster talent) they appear scary.  But that is speculative right now. 

Yes, UW-Whitewater is extremely talented.  They have 4 key transfers:

* Chris Jones, 6-0 Jr. G, 21.7 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 3.7 apg, .529 3-point (Wabash Valley JC, Iowa Lakes JC)
* Scotty Tyler, 6-8 Jr. F, 16.3 ppg, 7.1 rpg (D1 Idaho State, D1 UW-Milwaukee)
* Derek Rongstad, 6-5 So. G/F, 8.5 ppg (D1 UW-Milwaukee)
* Demetrius Woodley, 6-4 Jr. G/F, 7.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 2.1 apg (Mid Plains JC,  Iowa Lakes JC)

In terms of pure talent, the Warhawks are probably at a different level than the other top teams...just a matter of seeing if all those new parts mesh with the returning parts over the course of a full season.

UW-Whitewater operates with a much different personnel model than most Division III schools.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Top 25 talk
« on: January 01, 2017, 10:21:56 am »
I have watched a lot of games across a lot of regions so far this season.  The team I follow has played a number of strong teams (Ohio Wesleyan, North Central, North Park, Wash U, Chicago, Middlebury) and I've also been able to catch several other games of interest - like the Chicago/Babson game yesterday. My biggest takeaway on 2016-17 so far is that there is tremendous parity in Division III men's basketball.  A few thoughts within that...

I am confident there is a group of 4-5 teams that are the favorites to win the national championship, but it's not really even obvious to me who those teams are yet.  Early indications, to me, are that group includes Babson, Whitman, Amherst, and UW-Whitewater.  It's possible there is another team or two that belongs in that's also possible that not all of those teams I listed belong in that elite tier.  Having watched Babson yesterday against Chicago, I like the Beavers as the best team I've seen.  I like that they have a 1st Team All-American to give the ball to when times get tough, I like the other impressive talent around Flannery, and I like the way they go about their business on the floor.

Starting immediately after that "elite tier" I mentioned above, I see a huge pack of extremely even teams that spans from about 5 down to 25. For example, here are teams I have watched that I really can't find any significant separation between (going down the current Top 25) - #4-Marietta, #7-St. Norbert, #11-UW-Eau Claire, #12-Benedictine, #13-North Park, #15 Hope, #17 Wesleyan, #18 Illinois Wesleyan, #20 North Central, #25 Wash U, Middlebury (not ranked), Augustana (not ranked), UW-Stevens Point (not ranked).  If any of these two teams played each other on a neutral court, I'd have to call it a "pick 'em."  I'm guessing most of those other Top 25 teams and candiates I have not seen belong in this pack too.

And finally, while I do see separation between that small top tier and the big second tier, I don't think that separation is very big.  For example, Greg mentioned #1-Babson vs #18-Illinois Wesleyan.  I agree that Babson is better overall than Illinois Wesleyan and certainly should be ranked higher, but if those two teams played on a neutral court I believe that would be an incredibly close and competitive game that IWU could absolutely win. The combination of 6-8 Trevor Seibring and IWU's great outside attack would give Babson a lot of problems. (In the same way IWU played a barn-burner at North Central on 12/3 when North Central had Connor Raridon.) Or replace IWU in my point above with Middlebury or Wash U or North Park or Marietta, etc.  There might be 3-4 points of difference, in terms of a point spread, between the top 4-5 teams and that second tier. Those games could end up going either way.

Trying to sort out the Top 25 is always fun but when there is this much parity, I doubt there will be many concrete answers until things get settled in the tournament.  The tournament, by the way, should be awesome.  It's probably a year where any of the 21 Pool C teams could legitimately make a Final Four run.

Central Region / Re: MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: December 31, 2016, 06:21:36 pm »
Final from Oshkosh...

Carthage 68
UW-Oshkosh 67 (OT)

Central Region / Re: MBB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: December 31, 2016, 06:20:52 pm »
A few of those Augie 3s were deep and pretty well defended.

6-6 Brett Benning, a transfer from NCAA D2 power Southern Indiana, is a streaky shooter who can really light it up when he's on.  And he's hard to stop from shooting on the perimeter due to his size.  Benning was 3-5 from beyond the arc today.

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: December 31, 2016, 06:17:45 pm »
Carthage 68
Oshkosh  67 in overtime

The Red Men were leading by 2 to end regulation, but were called for a foul on oshkosh's 3rd tip in attempt at the buzzer. They put .3 seconds on the clock and made both feee throws to force overtime.

Carthage was down 5 with about 2 min left in OT. Mike Stevenson hit a three around 20 seconds left to get them up one and Turned out to be the game winner.

A good afternoon for the CCIW against a couple of top half WIAC schools

Very impressive road win for Carthage vs the preseason pick to win the WIAC.

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: December 31, 2016, 05:58:34 pm »
Augustana was led by:

* Sortillo: 17 pts (4-8 3-point), 4 assists
* Wofford: 14 pts, 4 reb
* Benning: 14 pts (3-5 3-point), 3 reb
* Ebel: 11 pts, 7 assists

When things were on the line, they seemed to play:
G - Orange, 6-2 So. or Ebel, 6-1 So.
G - Sortillo, 6-3 Jr.
G - Benning, 6-6 So. or (F) Wofford, 6-6 So.
F - Johnston, 6-5 Sr.
C - Martin, 6-10 Fr.

It looks like big Micah Martin has emerged as the lead 5-man - he played 19 minutes today w/ Dollmeyer playing 11 and Ferguson 10.  The 6-10 freshman did some really good things on both ends of the floor today in crunch time - he's going to be quite a player.

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: December 31, 2016, 05:50:44 pm »
Final from Stevens Point...

Augustana 78
UW-Stevens Point 76

Those both look like Top 25 teams to me.

Impressive win by Augie.

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: December 31, 2016, 04:42:38 pm »
#1-Babson 82
Chicago 70

Chicago led most of the 1st half, and by 3 at halftime.  The 2nd half was all Babson.

In a year with a lot of parity, I think Babson is a very solid #1 pick.  1st Team All-American Joey Flannery is a stud and then they have all kinds of other very talented guys. 

That said, I don't see much separation, really, between Babson and many other Top 25 teams.  But overall, I'd say Babson has to be one of the favorites to win the national championship this year.

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: December 31, 2016, 09:48:54 am »
IWU 79
Bridgewater 60

* Nick Coleman: 13 pts, 2 reb, 2 assists
* Alec Bausch: 11 pts, 6 reb, 3 assists
* Austin Amann: 11 pts
* Trevor Seibring: 10 pts, 5 reb

The Titans, playing without leading scorer Brady Rose, took care of business against a Bridgewater team that's not very good.  6-1 sophomore Nick Coleman made his first career start and continued to pay well for IWU.  6-6 senior forward Alec Bausch had two good games in Staten Island and was named to the all-tournament team.

The Titans finished their non-conference schedule 8-1, with some nice wins and just that tough loss against Middlebury.  IWU's strength of schedule (per Knightslappy's regional ranking data - is .613, which is best in the Central region. The Middlebury loss is going to hurt, but the Titans are in pretty nice shape in terms of Pool C as things stand at this point.

This is a very good IWU team - the Titans are extremely skilled offensively, they pass and move the ball as well as anyone, can really shoot it, are deep, balanced in terms of inside/outside threats, and seem to have great team chemistry.  I expect the Titans to be right in the middle of the CCIW title picture until the end.

Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: December 30, 2016, 05:21:42 pm »
IWU without leading scorer Brady Rose today (flu).

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