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Here's a serious question.  And before you misunderstand the direction I'm going here, I'm not comparing the WIAC to the CCIW and trying to claim one league is better than the other.

I know this board has been boasting (and for good reason) about 3 different teams in the last four Final 4s. Yet they've lost in the semis in three of them. The WIAC on the other hand, has had 2 dominant teams for the last 10+ years.

Admittedly,  I'm envious with the fact that the CCIW has so much parity with the likes of Augie, IWU,  Wheaton,  NCC, Carthage and Elmhurst (my apologies to Millikin and Sager's North Park). I'm actually a little disappointed in the WIAC since Stevens Point and Whitewater have only had sporadic challenges from the likes of Platteville and River Falls recently.  I almost feel the WIAC has fallen into that MIAA (Hope and Calvin), NESCAC (Amherst and Williams) category; where it's generally a 2-team top-heavy league.

Better to have parity or two dominant teams winning championships?

I'm not sure really what's "better", but if the conversation is about determining the "best conference" (and I'm not sure if that is where you are going here or not) then I think it comes down to 1) parity, and 2) strength at the top.  I think both have to be in place.

The "top conference" in Division III men's basketball seems to rotate between a small number of leagues.  Massey had the CCIW as #1 in 2014-15 - http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cb2015&sub=11620&c=1 - and I think subjectively most would arrive at that same conclusion.  The CCIW had a nice balance of Top 25-caliber teams (Augustana, IWU, Elmhurst, North Central) and parity.  As to the latter, the damage done by the bottom 4 on the top 4 was pretty impressive.

Here is a a little snapshot of the CCIW and WIAC over the last 5 years:

(records are for regular season conference games only)

CCIW (last 5 years, 2010-11 through 2014-15)
1. Illinois Wesleyan 54-16 (.771) -- 2 CCIW titles/5 NCAA appear./12 NCAA wins/2 Final Four
2. North Central 49-21 (.700) -- 2 CCIW titles/2 NCAA appear./6 NCAA wins/1 Final Four
3. Augustana 48-22 (.686) -- 2 CCIW titles/3 NCAA appear./8 NCAA wins/1 Final Four
4. Wheaton 44-26 (.629) -- 3 NCAA appear./5 NCAA wins
5. Carthage 36-34 (.514)
6. Elmhurst 26-44 (.371) --  1 NCAA appear./1 NCAA win
7. North Park 14-56 (.200)
8. Millikin 9-61 (.129)

WIAC (last 5 years, 2010-11 through 2014-15)
1. UW-Stevens Point 70-10 (.875) --  4 WIAC titles/5 NCAA appear./11 NCAA wins/1 Final Four/1 national champ
2. UW-Whitewater 64-16 (.800) -- 2 WIAC titles/4 NCAA appear./13 NCAA wins/2 Final Four/2 national champs
3. UW-Platteville 46-34 (.575)
4. UW-La Crosse 44-36 (.550)
5. UW-River Falls 31-49 (.388) -- 2 NCAA appear./0 NCAA wins
6. UW-Stout 26-54 (.325)
7. UW-Superior 24-56 (.300)
8. UW-Eau Claire 23-57 (.288)
9. UW-Oshkosh 22-58 (.275)


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Augie is hoarding guards.

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Augustana
* Jake Asquini, 6-2 SG (St. Charles East H.S.)
* Jordan Bradshaw, 5-10 PG (Hinsdale Central H.S.)
* AJ Dollmeyer, 6-8/240 C (Sauk Valley CC, Polo H.S. '14)
* Nolan Ebel, 6-0 PG (Regis Jesuit H.S., Aurora, CO)
* James Fox, 6-2 PG/SG (Edgerton H.S., Wisconsin)
* Joe Kellen, 6-1 PG/SG (Rockford Lutheran H.S.)
* Jake Nowak, 6-3 G/F (Plainfield North H.S.)
* Sean O'Neil, 6-6 PF (South Eugene H.S., Oregon)
* Chrishawn Orange, 6-2 PG (Jacobs H.S.)
* Pierson Wofford, 6-4 G/F (Springfield Lutheran H.S.)

Carthage
* Matt Acevedo, 6-3 SG (Maine West H.S.)
* Mike Canady, 5-10 PG (Jacobs H.S.)
* Chris Dolce, 6-2 SG (Conant H.S.)

Elmhurst
* Adam Braxton, 6-3 G/F (Leyden Township H.S.)
* Aaron Twist, 6-11 C (West Frankfort H.S.)

Illinois Wesleyan
* Danny Baker, 6-5 F (Vianney H.S., Missouri)
* Nick Coleman, 6-2 PG (St. Patrick H.S., Chicago)
* Mark Falotico, 6-1 PG (St. Viator H.S., Chicago)
* Jason Gregoire, 6-4 SG (Cary-Grove H.S.)
* Chasen Peez, 6-7 F/C (Batavia H.S.)
* Ben Sestak, 6-6 F (Sacred Heart-Griffin H.S., Springfield)

Millikin
* Matt Kruse, 6-9 PF (NCAA D2 McKendree/Monticello H.S. '13)
* Nathaniel Lackey, 6-8 F/C (Fairfield Community H.S.)
* Nathan Lovekamp, 6-3 SG (Cerro Gordo H.S.)
* Tyler Pygon, 5-11 PG (Providence Catholic H.S.)
* Jack Simpson, 5-11 PG/SG (Kickapoo H.S., Springfield, Mo)
* Thomas Williams, 6-2 SG (Byron Nelson H.S., Trophy Club, TX '14...formerly Kaneland H.S.)

North Central
* Jack Bronec, 6-8 C (St. Charles East H.S.)
* Aiden Chang, 6-2 PG/SG (Aquin H.S., Freeport)
* Tanner Gardon, 6-7 SF/PF (Larkin H.S.)
* Logan Ivy, 6-6 F/C (Plainfield Central H.S.)
* Josh Jandron, 5-10 SG (Woodstock North H.S.)
* Connor Raridon, 6-5 G/F (Neuqua Valley H.S.)
* Tommy Koth, 6-3 SF (West Aurora H.S.)

North Park
* Cory Boeckh, 5-10 SG (Jacobs H.S.)

Wheaton
* Reagan Jones, 6-7 PF (Lake Braddock H.S., Burke, VA)
* Trae Masten, 6-6 SF (South Side H.S., Fort Wayne, IN)
* Luke Peters, 6-3 G/F (Cuyahoga Valley Christian Academy, Stow, OH)

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Augie...

* Nolan Ebel, 6-0 PG (Regis Jesuit H.S., Aurora, CO)

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2297344/nolan-ebel

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: MBB: University Athletic Association
« on: May 01, 2015, 09:38:23 am »
Mike McGrath is bringing in a good class at Chicago...

* Justin Jackson, 6-5 G/F (Lassister H.S., Marietta, GA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk0OImQb_aU

http://georgiahoops.com/?page_id=11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7wARfzi1uc



* Max Jacobs, 6-1 PG/SG (Millburn H.S., NJ)
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/high-school-sports/boys-basketball/millburn-high-school-boys-basketball-player-reaches-1-000-career-points-1.1273512

https://www.tapinto.net/articles/millburns-max-jacobs-commits-to-university-of-ch



* Ryan Jacobsen, 6-6 SF/PF (St. Thomas Academy H.S., Mendota Heights, MN)
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3568682/ryan-jacobsen



* Noah Karras, 6-4 SG (Lake Forest H.S., IL)
http://dailynorthshore.com/2015/01/09/arc-istry-lfs-karras-a-mega-hit-at-york/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/sports/ct-lns-boys-basketball-all-area-fantastic-fifteen-st-0331-20150330-story.html#page=1



I believe Karras and Jackson are the headliners here.  I have heard Karras is a stud.  He had a Division I scholarship offer from University of Illinois-Chicago.  He is a SG with great size and can shoot the heck out of it.  Jackson, who had an offer from The Citadel, looks really talented and athletic...huge upside.

Jacobsen looks really good too.




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Augustana
* Jake Asquini, 6-2 SG (St. Charles East H.S.)
* Jordan Bradshaw, 5-10 PG (Hinsdale Central H.S.)
* AJ Dollmeyer, 6-8/240 C (Sauk Valley CC, Polo H.S. '14)
* James Fox, 6-2 PG/SG (Edgerton H.S., Wisconsin)
* Joe Kellen, 6-1 PG/SG (Rockford Lutheran H.S.)
* Jake Nowak, 6-3 G/F (Plainfield North H.S.)
* Sean O'Neil, 6-6 PF (South Eugene H.S., Oregon)
* Chrishawn Orange, 6-2 PG (Jacobs H.S.)
* Pierson Wofford, 6-4 G/F (Springfield Lutheran H.S.)

Carthage
* Matt Acevedo, 6-3 SG (Maine West H.S.)
* Mike Canady, 5-10 PG (Jacobs H.S.)
* Chris Dolce, 6-2 SG (Conant H.S.)

Elmhurst
* Adam Braxton, 6-3 G/F (Leyden Township H.S.)
* Aaron Twist, 6-11 C (West Frankfort H.S.)

Illinois Wesleyan
* Danny Baker, 6-5 F (Vianney H.S., Missouri)
* Nick Coleman, 6-2 PG (St. Patrick H.S., Chicago)
* Mark Falotico, 6-1 PG (St. Viator H.S., Chicago)
* Jason Gregoire, 6-4 SG (Cary-Grove H.S.)
* Chasen Peez, 6-7 F/C (Batavia H.S.)
* Ben Sestak, 6-6 F (Sacred Heart-Griffin H.S., Springfield)

Millikin
* Matt Kruse, 6-9 PF (NCAA D2 McKendree/Monticello H.S. '13)
* Nathaniel Lackey, 6-8 F/C (Fairfield Community H.S.)
* Nathan Lovekamp, 6-3 SG (Cerro Gordo H.S.)
* Tyler Pygon, 5-11 PG (Providence Catholic H.S.)
* Jack Simpson, 5-11 PG/SG (Kickapoo H.S., Springfield, Mo)
* Thomas Williams, 6-2 SG (Byron Nelson H.S., Trophy Club, TX '14...formerly Kaneland H.S.)

North Central
* Jack Bronec, 6-8 C (St. Charles East H.S.)
* Aiden Chang, 6-2 PG/SG (Aquin H.S., Freeport)
* Tanner Gardon, 6-7 SF/PF (Larkin H.S.)
* Logan Ivy, 6-6 F/C (Plainfield Central H.S.)
* Josh Jandron, 5-10 SG (Woodstock North H.S.)
* Connor Raridon, 6-5 G/F (Neuqua Valley H.S.)
* Tommy Koth, 6-3 SF (West Aurora H.S.)

North Park
* Cory Boeckh, 5-10 SG (Jacobs H.S.)

Wheaton
* Reagan Jones, 6-7 PF (Lake Braddock H.S., Burke, VA)
* Trae Masten, 6-6 SF (South Side H.S., Fort Wayne, IN)
* Luke Peters, 6-3 G/F (Cuyahoga Valley Christian Academy, Stow, OH)

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Augie...

* Sean O'Neil, 6-6 PF (South Eugene H.S., Oregon)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_5iN2fs3LU

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: April 30, 2015, 11:44:22 pm »
North Park...

* Cory Boeckh, 5-10 SG (Jacobs H.S.)

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3362260/cory-boeckh

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: April 30, 2015, 05:21:51 pm »
I believe these are the names to hit the board so far...

Augustana
* Jake Asquini, 6-2 SG (St. Charles East H.S.)
* Jordan Bradshaw, 5-10 PG (Hinsdale Central H.S.)
* AJ Dollmeyer, 6-8/240 C (Sauk Valley CC, Polo H.S. '14)
* James Fox, 6-2 PG/SG (Edgerton H.S., Wisconsin)
* Jake Nowak, 6-3 G/F (Plainfield North H.S.)
* Pierson Wofford, 6-4 G/F (Springfield Lutheran H.S.)

Carthage
* Matt Acevedo, 6-3 SG (Maine West H.S.)
* Mike Canady, 5-10 PG (Jacobs H.S.)
* Chris Dolce, 6-2 SG (Conant H.S.)

Elmhurst
* Adam Braxton, 6-3 G/F (Leyden Township H.S.)
* Aaron Twist, 6-11 C (West Frankfort H.S.)

Illinois Wesleyan
* Danny Baker, 6-5 F (Vianney H.S., Missouri)
* Nick Coleman, 6-2 PG (St. Patrick H.S., Chicago)
* Mark Falotico, 6-1 PG (St. Viator H.S., Chicago)
* Jason Gregoire, 6-4 SG (Cary-Grove H.S.)
* Chasen Peez, 6-7 F/C (Batavia H.S.)
* Ben Sestak, 6-6 F (Sacred Heart-Griffin H.S., Springfield)

Millikin
* Matt Kruse, 6-9 PF (NCAA D2 McKendree/Monticello H.S. '13)
* Nathaniel Lackey, 6-8 F/C (Fairfield Community H.S.)
* Nathan Lovekamp, 6-3 SG (Cerro Gordo H.S.)
* Tyler Pygon, 5-11 PG (Providence Catholic H.S.)
* Jack Simpson, 5-11 PG/SG (Kickapoo H.S., Springfield, Mo)
* Thomas Williams, 6-2 SG (Byron Nelson H.S., Trophy Club, TX '14...formerly Kaneland H.S.)

North Central
* Jack Bronec, 6-8 C (St. Charles East H.S.)
* Aiden Chang, 6-2 PG/SG (Aquin H.S., Freeport)
* Tanner Gardon, 6-7 SF/PF (Larkin H.S.)
* Logan Ivy, 6-6 F/C (Plainfield Central H.S.)
* Josh Jandron, 5-10 SG (Woodstock North H.S.)
* Connor Raridon, 6-5 G/F (Neuqua Valley H.S.)
* Tommy Koth, 6-3 SF (West Aurora H.S.)

North Park

Wheaton
* Reagan Jones, 6-7 PF (Lake Braddock H.S., Burke, VA)
* Trae Masten, 6-6 SF (South Side H.S., Fort Wayne, IN)
* Mike Peters, 6-1 PG/SG (Cuyahoga Valley Christian Academy, Stow, OH)

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: April 30, 2015, 05:19:59 pm »
Millikin...

* Matt Kruse, 6-9 PF (NCAA D2 McKendree/Monticello H.S. '13)

http://mckbearcats.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=5041&path=mbball


* Nathan Lovekamp, 6-3 SG (Cerro Gordo H.S.)

http://herald-review.com/high-school/bement/whole-lotta-lovekamp/article_21fbf57b-853b-5449-a560-2de1db182f44.html


* Thomas Williams, 6-2 SG (Byron Nelson H.S., Trophy Club, TX '14...formerly Kaneland H.S.)


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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: April 30, 2015, 11:38:21 am »
Carthage recruits...


Chris Dolce ‏@3CeeDee3  Apr 28 
Blessed to announce that I will officially be continuing my basketball career at Carthage College!!

* Chris Dolce, 6-2 SG (Conant H.S.)
 


Jimmy Roberts ‏@JHSHoops  Apr 28 
Congratulations to 2015 PG Mike Canady @Master_Mike15 who will be attending and playing basketball at Carthage College.

* Mike Canady, 5-10 PG (Jacobs H.S.)

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