TQ - You asked for explanation. I gave you several examples and #1 was Easy. Am I missing something? Pretty low-key conversation? Between you and I. Yes it was. A part from that I had everyone of My Opinions attacked and scrutinized by The Great One. That I didn't feel was low-key. Questioning " how much I know about D3 ", not low key. And, his yucks about what comes first, with some kind of inside joke about a chicken. I'm glad the SLIAC was able to be part of the punch line.

The question I asked regarding the regional aspect of a Div. of the NCAA. No response?

Basically TQ, you may have mistaken the explanation points behind my easy first choice, as being meant for you. They weren't.

I'm having somewhat of a hard time following what you are upset about, Denny.  So just a few thoughts... 

1) I went back and read this entire conversation and I honestly don't think you are being attacked by anybody.

2) You did make some pretty controversial statements that naturally elicited some responses.  For example...
- "Take Principia out, there is No Way a FU or any other SLIAC school can compete with any CCIW schools on packaging. Not for a student athlete or any other student."

- "Basically my view of Division III members are either State Schools or High Profile Private schools. I truly do not believe that the SLIAC schools are part of the Div. III profile."

- "Kids do not want to go to a commuter school."

- "It just really gets under my skin the way the SLIAC has always been treated. If they want the league in DIII, then quit bad mouthing it."

What makes this forum great is the number of different opinions represented, like yours above.  But realize when you make debatable points (and many of your points in this conversation have been "debatable"), you're going to get a little healthy debate coming back.  You seem a little surprised/offended that you've gotten pushback -- remember, the stronger the opinions you make, the stronger the counter points will be from those who feel otherwise.  Neither party is in the wrong - it's all good.

3) Greg's reference to a chicken was a jab at two IWU fans/posters (Mr. Ypsi and IWU70...long story) -- it had nothing to do with the SLIAC.  I re-read his comment and don't really see how you took that as a jab at the SLIAC.


Bottom line, I don't think you have been "attacked" at all in this conversation.  "Scrutinized"?  Sure.  But you certainly posted some things that welcomed healthy scrutiny.

Titan Q - 1.) Easy!!!!

I just asked you for a simple explanation of what you meant, Denny. 

It just really gets under my skin the way the SLIAC has always been treated. If they want the league in DIII, then quit bad mouthing it.

What type of mistreatment/bad mouthing of the SLIAC are you referring to?

A couple IWU schedule tidbits...

* The Titans travel to Costa Rica to play this coming August.  The 2005-06 team made the same trip and seemed to have a great experience.  Should be a great way to jumpstart the 2013-14 season.

* IWU, known for warm weather holiday trips, will be traveling to sunny Holland, MI Dec 20-21 to play in Hope's tournament.  IWU vs Wilmington,  Hope vs Lake Forest on 12/20.  Winners vs winners, losers vs losers on 12/21.

Q - My brush stroke may have been a bit wide. I thought I had read that IWU was at 36K and I know Wash U very expensive. I will give you those. But, I do know that FU is 31K. And, I do know that FU's endowment is almost miniscule when you compare it to the schools we are discussing. I'm saying that an academic based scholarship at a school with 2 million in endowment is a lot smaller then with a school with 25 million. Wash U's is in the stratosphere and rightly so. So I will make exceptions if IWU is that expensive. But, 31k isn't cheap.

In relative terms, Fontbonne is also very very expensive.

Oh, I know Fontbonne is very expensive...almost all private schools are.  But that original statement you made is inaccurate as far as I know...

Mr. Ypsi you nailed it. Take Principia out, there is No Way a FU or any other SLIAC school can compete with any CCIW schools on packaging. Not for a student athlete or any other student. I've known for along time that the FU students and student athletes pay more to attend school then probably any other DIII in a two state area (Blackburn doesn't count). Webster always has offered better packages then FU. When recruiting head to head with Webster for a player, Dad always had to sell the family and the player on something other then the money.

Mr. Ypsi you nailed it. Take Principia out, there is No Way a FU or any other SLIAC school can compete with any CCIW schools on packaging. Not for a student athlete or any other student. I've known for along time that the FU students and student athletes pay more to attend school then probably any other DIII in a two state area (Blackburn doesn't count). Webster always has offered better packages then FU. When recruiting head to head with Webster for a player, Dad always had to sell the family and the player on something other then the money.

I have no way to prove it, but I'd be absolutely shocked if you are right about this as it applies to IWU (the CCIW school I am obviously the most familiar with).  "Packaging" or not, Illinois Wesleyan is just really, really expensive.  IWU loses athletic recruits all of the time to other D3 schools (including CCIW schools) over the price tag.

I have a hard time believing that IWU is any cheaper on average than a SLIAC school.  IWU went head-to-head with Westminster for Charlie Henderson a few years back and couldn't get in the ballpark of WC's final price.

Wheaton recruit...

Danny Park, 5-11 PG (Thomas Jefferson H.S. - Auburn, WA) - 9.7 ppg, 5.3 apg

http://www.federalwaymirror.com/sports/205302011.html

From Titan Q over on the CCIW page....

"Ron Rose and the Titans have landed Alec Bausch, a 6-6/205 PF from De Smet H.S. in St. Louis.  Bausch averaged 12.5 points, 6.9 rebounds, and 2.8 assists per game as a senior.  He helped his team to the Missouri Class 5 state championship game in Columbia.

Bausch played the post alongside 6-8 all-state F Nolan Berry, who is heading to D1 Butler on scholarship...so he definitely was not the featured post on the De Smet team.  I watched some video of that state championship game recently and came away feeling like Bausch is a really solid CCIW recruit.  He's a very active 4-man who does a lot of things well - can score with his back to the basket, can knock down a jumpshot, is a really good passer, and rebounds well.  He's like Kevin Reed in a lot of ways, but more of a 4 than Reed - should be a solid player for the Titans down the road.

Bausch was also a standout WR on the De Smet football team.  I believe he's thinking about giving football a go at IWU this coming season, but he does consider basketball is primary sport at this point.  We'll see how that two sport thing goes."


OUCH...... if the SLIAC is to move up in the world of D3hoops, this is exactly the kind of kid WE have to get....  The 2nd or 3rd star on outstanding LARGE school programs....  Big heroes from small schools will help WITHIN the SLIAC, but it simply won't cut it when we play higher level competition.

Westminster was one of the D3 schools on Bausch very hard.