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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: April 12, 2017, 09:33:50 am »
point is you will at least consider allowing your boys to play football, many parents will not. overtime the game will cease to be played and/or will be changed to a point that we will not recognize it as being football.

I did not allow my boys to play tackle football until age 10, from that point it was their decision to participate or not. head injuries are a problem, amount of contact needs to be controlled, proper blocking/tackling techniques need to be taught/mandated, injuries will continue to occur, not just in football but across all sports

No doubt. I had 2 serious sports related concussions requiring hospitalization and I never played organized football. My first was about 14 at a soccer camp in Connecticut. I went for a header with another kid and we hit heads so hard we both blacked out. Woke up a few minutes before the ambulance arrived and was taken to the hospital. Didn't play again for 4 weeks. The second was playing rugby in college as a sophomore. Went up to catch a kick and got tackled. On the way down my head slammed into a team mate's knee. Didn't wake up that time until I reached the hospital. Never played rugby again. Was told to sit out the rest of the season and decided there were other things I wanted to do in college by the time the spring practices rolled around.

Neither play was a penalty. It's just part of competitive sports sometimes. But, I think other sports are doing a better job combating the problem, especially at the youngest levels, than football. And I think the repetition is a problem with football in general. If even small knocks, over time, are as big a problem as current research indicates, there simply isn't a way to make playing on either side of the line safe. Of course, that also leads me to believe that eventually soccer will need to ban heading the ball, which is going to kill free kicks.

As for allowing my kids to play football, I'd really rather they didn't. I have said for years that I wouldn't allow it. But as they grow and I allow them to do other things, I realize how naive it is to point at football and say that is the one I won't allow. For crying out loud I have a zipline in my back yard! Things just aren't as black and white as my younger self would have liked.

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East Region football / Re: FB: Empire 8
« on: April 11, 2017, 12:00:18 pm »
The numbers are bad, but they aren't quite that bad. You can use collegecalc.org to figure out the average net price that students pay based on various income levels. For a family earning 75K to 110K per year, Brockport is $18,361 in state. Ithaca is $33,703. So yeah, there is still a huge difference, but it's not the difference we point out based on pure sticker prices, which almost no one pays.


Right, but you still have to pay back that money you save via loans or grants.

The Collegecalc number is the pre-loan number. That is the average net out of pocket annual cost after scholarships and grants by income category, so it is the money that does not need to be repaid. How you pay the net number, either through out of pocket savings or loans, is up to you. One reason I like Collegecalc is because they are trying to do apples to apples in real life, which is invaluable compared to the stupid sticker prices. While it is a simple average, and no one would know their actual until the full aid packages come out in April/May per student, it is much more helpful than pretty much anything else I've found.

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East Region football / Re: FB: Empire 8
« on: April 11, 2017, 09:50:18 am »
The numbers are bad, but they aren't quite that bad. You can use collegecalc.org to figure out the average net price that students pay based on various income levels. For a family earning 75K to 110K per year, Brockport is $18,361 in state. Ithaca is $33,703. So yeah, there is still a huge difference, but it's not the difference we point out based on pure sticker prices, which almost no one pays.

I point this out with W&L all the time. The freaking sticker is $61,235 while, for a family making $110K a year plus, the average net is "only" a whopping $38K, while in the $75 to $110K it is "only" $17,605.

The sticker price is a stupid number that colleges use to make themselves seem more prestigious and to take the occasional millionaire kid who is borderline to get in the door with the biggest number possible. All that being said, it's still stupidly expensive.

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South Region football / Re: FB: USA South Athletic Conference
« on: April 10, 2017, 02:50:28 pm »
On another note, hasa, Davidson must be hurting...2 D3's on the schedule this year. At least we'll get to see how Brevard and Guilford match up with a common opponent. It has  to be a good possibility for a game or two in years to come.

Since joining the Pioneer League they have gone 1-31 in football in conference. Frankly they are in a crappy position in a league that must be killing them cost wise. They played games in KY, IN, CA, and upstate NY last year. This year they play twice in FL, once in IA and once in KY. Lot of money to spend every year travelling around, so finding those OOC games, at any level, where they can play local is probably a lifesaver. It probably doesn't matter what division since they know they aren't going anywhere post season and it also is most likely the only way they are going to pick up a couple wins.

Hope DI basketball is worth it boys!

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The reason I think the P5 needs the NCAA as much as the NCAA needs the P5... there is more involved on those campuses than just football (which the NCAA isn't involved with anyway), basketball, and maybe baseball/softball. There are 90 total sports in the NCAA. The P5 needs the NCAA support for the other 88 (of which they play). Furthermore, the P5 needs the other conferences and teams for something like the basketball "March Madness" to mean anything. That tournament would be boring if it was just the P5 taking part. That tournament would lose some of its allure if the Cinderellas of mid-majors and the likes of Gonzaga are gone and it is only the P5s playing.

They get that. They understand that. That is why I think the idea of the P5 breaking away I think falls well short of reality.

So far you are correct. I just don't think it will continue. The P5 can remake how many sports they sponsor however they want. Sure it would  hurt a school like Cal, which does a ton of Olympic sports and had more Olympians in Rio than many countries, but a way will be found. I think schools like Gonzaga and the Big East and some AAC schools would be included in the breakaway. I think the P5 would go to 16 football members a piece, bringing in some of those schools with both sports, while others would come in for basketball only.

We will see as time rolls on. But if they have to pay athletes eventually, or want to because the situation is so ridiculous, it will be difficult to maintain the NCAA as an amateur association in most regards, but a professional in 2 sports. That is a legal quandry that will be hard to solve.

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South Region football / Re: FB: USA South Athletic Conference
« on: April 10, 2017, 10:39:21 am »
New coach at BSC this year. I'm guessing more rational decisions will start to be made there. Some anecdotal evidence from people in my office with junior/senior age football players shows they are actually recruiting as well.

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The P5 trickle down isn't going to last much longer. DIII schools need to start thinking about this as well. Because sooner or later, the P5 is going to demand all the revenue they generate. The money stakes are simply too high and too tempting.

Not sure what you are getting at here... but if you are indicating the P5 is going to demand they keep their money and everyone else is screwed... it isn't that easy.

First off, the entire NCAA (all divisions) would have to approve of such a thing because it would drastically change the NCAA bylaws and such. We can pretty much assume that won't get approved.

Secondly, if the P5 wants to go off on their own and create their own organization, so be it. However, I don't see that happening either because, believe it or not, the P5 needs the NCAA as much as the NCAA needs the P5.

Remember, the P5 is already getting money to keep that doesn't go to the NCAA. The NCAA sees NO money from football at the BCS level. None. Those contracts are all cut with the conferences, teams, and the Bowl Championship Series itself. The NCAA only certifies the bowl games and monitors the teams (per request of the P5). Personally, the NCAA should just drop the BCS in terms of oversight period - they get nothing from the deal. Heck, the NCAA doesn't even hand out a trophy in the end.

The bolded part is what I'm getting at. And I don't think they do, frankly. It would take a while to rig up a new set of rules and some oversight, and to negotiate all the new tv deals, but I think it will happen because there is money to do it. It also will return control to just those 60-90 schools (I think you'll end with a larger P5 for basketball), and all the administrations want more control. I also think it will happen because legally, the NCAA is is a position that is becoming untenable. It will be simpler for the P5 to break off than to renegotiate internally the structure for P5 schools that need to pay athletes.

TV contracts with just P5 schools playing each other in football, and just the P5 equivalent in basketball, are simply better contracts than those that include useless games against G5, low major, and FCS schools. Playoffs with just those schools, and no more whining or litigating from G5 schools are just too tempting. And the ability to stop fighting legislation and supporting smaller divisions is going to increasingly be important.

The NCAA at this point is turning into a drag for these schools. While they haven't wanted to take back all the things the NCAA does yet, it seems pretty much inevitable to me as dollars keep climbing.

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http://www.app.com/story/sports/college/monmouth-university/2017/04/06/edelson-jack-ford-money-college-sports/99973860/

This is a no brainer. The vast majority of non-P5 schools need to be planning for a full FCS division. A division where they can still give scholarships, but don't have to compete with the P5 schools or rely on their handouts. No one is going to pay for a MAC Network, and ESPN isn't going to keep shelling out for rights fees on lower conferences as their subscribers plummet.

Better they plan for it now and stop building new facilities, paying more for coaches, and incurring long term debt. The P5 trickle down isn't going to last much longer. DIII schools need to start thinking about this as well. Because sooner or later, the P5 is going to demand all the revenue they generate. The money stakes are simply too high and too tempting.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: April 07, 2017, 03:19:16 pm »
You are correct. Makes me glad I'm in the 4th quarter of my life cycle. The day is coming when most mothers will not allow a kid to play football and what sad day that will be.

It's not just mothers. I won't let my boys play tackle football until they are 12 or so. If they really want to at that age, I will consider it.

Of course, my daughter is currently 7 and heavily involved in Tae Kwan Do. And my 5 year old boys are in a pre-Tae Kwan Do program. But I watched my daughter place 3rd at a tournament by scoring 4 of 7 points kicking a boy with her well padded foot twice on his well padded head gear. So it's entirely possible that I'm being ridiculously hypocritical. On the other hand, the fact that my daughter is capable of kicking a boy in the head, and punching him when necessary, makes me quite happy for her inevitable future relationships.

The fact that my twin boys are learning some of these same skills does not make me feel quite so happy for their inevitable cohabitation as they grow up.
I am not worried. The code of honor and discipline for Tae Kwan Do would govern their use of force.

That code works better as you get older. Twin 5 year olds don't quite get the concept. Better to have the code of the parents... hit your brother, get a consequence...

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: April 07, 2017, 01:38:46 pm »
You are correct. Makes me glad I'm in the 4th quarter of my life cycle. The day is coming when most mothers will not allow a kid to play football and what sad day that will be.

It's not just mothers. I won't let my boys play tackle football until they are 12 or so. If they really want to at that age, I will consider it.

Of course, my daughter is currently 7 and heavily involved in Tae Kwan Do. And my 5 year old boys are in a pre-Tae Kwan Do program. But I watched my daughter place 3rd at a tournament by scoring 4 of 7 points kicking a boy with her well padded foot twice on his well padded head gear. So it's entirely possible that I'm being ridiculously hypocritical. On the other hand, the fact that my daughter is capable of kicking a boy in the head, and punching him when necessary, makes me quite happy for her inevitable future relationships.

The fact that my twin boys are learning some of these same skills does not make me feel quite so happy for their inevitable cohabitation as they grow up.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: April 07, 2017, 12:19:55 pm »
Tiger Fan

I hear they will be playing flag football in 2018 !!!!!

This is getting closer all the time. Frankly with U.S. Soccer outlawing heading for kids 10 and under they are showing a certain regard for youth health that youth football is not showing. USA Football should follow along and ban tackle football for kids under 11 or 12 or the significant drop in youth participation over the last 5 years is going to keep happening.

As for 2 a days, they are way less useful and needed today. There is a ton of evidence that over exertion is more damaging than beneficial to an unprepared human body. And the need for "shock conditioning" has fallen off as athletes work out and train all year round instead of reporting to camp out of shape and practice.

Teams and sports need to move past doing things one way because they have always been done that way. The old ways really aren't the best, especially the more we come to understand exercise science, how to maximize the physical potential of the human body, and the effects of even small but consistent cumulative head impacts.

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: April 04, 2017, 09:42:01 am »
This is slightly off topic, but it's the offseason so forgive me.

The Mississippi State/UConn game got me thinking about Rowan-Mount. I always said I'd rather have been Rowan, who was the only team to beat Mount over 7 years, than Pac Lutheran, who smited Rowan in the Stagg that season. I kind of feel the same way about Mississippi State. Where do you guys fall?

Few people will remember either of the runner ups. The runner ups will always remember being so close but not bringing home the hardware. I'll take being a champion over simply having a big win any day of the week. You play to win championships. Knocking off the big dog is nice, but winning it all is the goal.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: March 31, 2017, 02:53:44 pm »
After 2 sports seasons, W&L again leads the Overall ODAC Commissioner's Cup. In addition to the Overall Cup, W&L leads the Women's Cup substantially over Lynchburg and Bridgewater, and is tied with RMC in the Men's Cup. Lynchburg sits third in the Men's Cup, second in the Women's, and second Overall.

On the Men's side, RMC and Guilford tied for basketball, W&L won Cross Country, RMC won FB, Lynchburg took soccer, W&L took swimming, W&L took Indoor Track. W&L has earned 48.5 of a possible 57 points, good for 85.1% of possible points. RMC has taken 31.5 of a possible 37 points, also good for 85.1% of possible points. RMC did not compete in CC or Indoor Track. W&L is the only ODAC school to compete in all 11 ODAC Men's sports.

On the Women's side, Lychburg and Guilford tied for basketball, W&L won cross country, Lynchburg won field hockey, W&L won soccer, W&L won swimming, Bridgewater won Indoor Track, RMC won volleyball. W&L has taken 65.5 of a possible 76 points, good for 86.2%. Lynchburg took 53.5 of a possible 67 points, good for 79.9%. Lynchburg did not compete in swimming. Bridgewater took 52.5 of 76 possible points, good for 69.1%. Bridgewater is the only ODAC school to compete in all 13 Women's sports.

Looking at the men's side this spring, currently W&L is undefeated in conference baseball play, first time ever they have started 9-0 in conference, with Shenandoah and RMC having lost one and two games a piece behind them. I have no idea how to sort out golf and track until the ODAC Tournament, so we'll pass on those. In lax, W&L and Roanoke are 3-0, with H-SC, Shenandoah, and RMC a game behind. The Generals are once again dominating tennis, with a 9-0 record, while other conference teams with 2-6 matches under their belts are holding at least a loss, including 1-1 RMC and 1-4 Lynchburg.

The women, already holding a strong lead, don't participate in softball, the only ODAC sponsored sport W&L does not do in either gender. However, lax is 2-0, as is RMC, with Guilford 1-0. And the women's tennis team is 9-0, with RMC 4-0 behind, followed by 4-1 Randolph and 3-2 Roanoke. Golf, T&F, and Riding I don't know how to account for until after the season.

W&L is aiming for their 21st Overall Cup, 15th straight, 17th Men's Cup, 2nd straight, and 17th Women's Cup, 13th in a row. 2016-17 marks the 23rd year for the Overall Cup and 25th year for the Men's and Women's Cups. W&L has won at least one of the three Cups every year except 92/93 and 93/94, with 10 seasons of 3 Cup sweeps including last year.

http://odaconline.com/general/2016-17/releases/033117-commcup-winter

All stats found on odaconline.com

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: March 30, 2017, 03:25:33 pm »
I still think Vassar should start a football program.  They rake in a $billion in endowment every year.  I know it's not that easy but it'd be cool to see.

I can't imagine why they'd bother. Their acceptance rate is 26%. They have alumnae giving rates of 40-45%. The endowment is just under $1B. SAT range (25-75%) is 1400 to 1570. Really the only reason is because the current female/male ratio is 55:45 roughly. Given more women than men attend college these days, that's not a big disparity. Finally, they have no history of football, ever, and even have t-shirts printed that proudly joke about that fact.

If you look at the reasons why a school starts football, Vassar checks pretty much none of the boxes.

Stats found around the internet and vary by year from 2013 to 2016.

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: March 29, 2017, 03:51:42 pm »

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