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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: May 20, 2016, 11:04:35 am »
9 out of 10

Yeesh you H-SC guys are greedy. Best conference team of the last 15 years and still wishing everyone else was weaker!  ;D

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Lacrosse, track, cross country, softball / Re: Lacrosse
« on: May 20, 2016, 11:03:27 am »

The competition to attract and retain a declining applicant pool for small liberal arts institutions continues to escalate with more strategic shifts (as mentioned, eg. substitution of lacrosse, soccer, etc. for football) in the near future, as well as marginal expedient accommodations.

I don't see this happening at all. Schools are adding football because a decent football team brings 60-120 tuition paying men to a DIII campus. With declining men's enrollment, football could be a key driver in retaining gender ratios. With the improvement in turf fields, you can use the same facility for football, soccer, fh, lacrosse... The start up expense falls a lot if you aren't purpose building a facility.

Coaches and equipment and travel costs are expensive, but given the number of bodies you are talking about football can actually be a decent bang for the buck. Fewer coaches per player than most sports, even if more coaches overall, so long as you don't go coach crazy. Many DIII schools have 3 full time coaches and a couple assistants. For 80 bodies, that is cheap coach to player ratio compared to say basketball. The last DIII team to quit football was over 10 years ago (Swarthmore maybe?). Since then many schools have added and we continue to see stories of schools investigating.

We are also seeing the beginning of a slow rebirth in wrestling. The most common application of Title IX (I'm not opposed to Title IX, I just don't like what happened in reality to men's sports as opposed to what was intended to help women's sports) hurt men's sports for decades, but now that attracting men to campus is harder than attracting women, we are going to see more men's sports programs come back or flat out get added. That helps lacrosse, wrestling, and football. The top level DIIIs, with plenty of applicants and under 30% acceptance rates, have the money to pay for as many sports as they want mostly. The middle and lower level DIII schools, scrapping for applicants with 75%+ acceptance rates, need every option they can get for luring males to campus.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: May 20, 2016, 10:50:21 am »
jk

Congrats. Great year for the Generals. B'ball in the odac is down, at least in my opinion, which makes it even more concerning why W&L struggles in that sport. Personally I look forward to the day W&L begins to struggle a little in football !!!!

We struggled 2 of the last 3 years! How much more you want?

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: May 20, 2016, 09:43:52 am »
As I suspected, W&L swept the Men's, Women's, and overall Commissioner's Cup. 11 ODAC championships this year.

http://generalssports.com/information/Inside_Athletics/sports_information/2015-16_Releases/2015-16_Commissioner-s_Cup

I suspect the men's rating of .895 or 45.5 out of 51 points, is close to a record. With the exception of basketball, the men were unbelievable across the ODAC sports. I know the ODAC is generally very good at basketball, but I really don't understand why W&L can't find the athletes in that sport to compete. Seems odd that men's basketball pretty much always significantly under performs the rest of the athletic department.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: May 19, 2016, 12:56:47 pm »
Jk

If that is true than the WIAC is not as good as advertised. They are the best D3 conference in the country, certainly no team from the lowly ranked ODAC could even begin to compete, right ?

I'm sensing the sarcasm, but I'm going to say I don't think those two things are necessarily true. Nor do I think the ODAC is all that lowly. Personally I think the ODAC is in the top half of all DIII conferences, even if we haven't had a nationally competitive team at the top for a while.

If you go by the Kickoff Rankings last year, UWEC was expected to go 0-10, and did, but were still considered the 101st best team in the country. Not many conferences can say their worst member, expected to lose every game they play, is comfortably inside the 50% mark of all teams.

By Kickoff's measure, UWEC would have finished 4-4 against ODAC teams. That might be a little skewed since W&L started the season ranked 118th, 5th in the ODAC and a presumed loss to UWEC, but you could probably drop Bridgewater's 87th ranking down below UWEC in the end netting out the same record.

Kickoff gave UWP a 33rd ranking preseason, expected 7-3, 5-2. They went 8-2, 5-2, finished third in the WIAC so that preseason looks pretty accurate. A preseason Guilford at 30 should have given UWP a run for their money, as Guilford's 9-1, 6-1 was also pretty accurate. The Quakers just got a little unlucky versus W&L, and again that the team they got unlucky against didn't slip up.

Regardless, I think the third team in the WIAC versus the best team in the ODAC would be a very entertaining match up. I'm just not sure there is a guarantee UWP and HSC will meet those parameters in 2017.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: May 19, 2016, 09:52:23 am »
Jk

No disagreement. The record speaks for itself. I simply stated the UWP game is a certain loss, Pat said maybe not.
The way people regard the WIAC, I assume it's last place team could/should beat the ODAC's best. and for the record, by no means have I ever considered HSC to be dominant, hell we can't even beat RMC on a regular basis and they pretty much suck.

Nah. UWEC has been pretty bad for the last 3 years. UW-LC and UW Stout aren't great shakes either. But I do think UWW and UWO the last few years absolutely bury the ODAC champion. UWP recently probably wins 8 of 10. UWSP and UWRF might be pretty good games. The next three I'd give the edge to the ODAC champion. Of course it all depends on the champion and the year. Some of the H-SC teams that were more complete might compete with UWP. I think W&L's teams would struggle because they are so one dimensional. A good d-line year at UWSP or UWRF would probably contain the Generals.

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South Region football / Re: FB: USA South Athletic Conference
« on: May 18, 2016, 08:33:05 pm »
Wrestling does not require a field and grass and mowing...a mat will do it.  As for lacrosse, it could help Maryville recruit more students from states to the east and north, which I think is a good idea.  MC would benefit from more geographic variety.  Just an opinion....

Let's start a petition, scottiedoug. JK, you're welcome to join in to help W&L's wrestling program out.

What other USAC/ODAC schools have wrestling programs other than Ferrum, Huntingdon and W&L?

HSC is the only other ODAC school I know of. Greensboro has a team. Southern Virginia has a second year team that is affiliated with the USASAC I think.

You can get the complete list of DIII wrestling schools here:

http://web1.ncaa.org/onlineDir/exec2/sponsorship?sortOrder=5&division=3&sport=MWR

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: May 18, 2016, 08:21:28 pm »
I'm not being touchy jk. As you said facts are facts. 3 ODAC championships in 5 years is as dominant as any team has been in the ODAC in many years.

Fair enough. Time frames are important. The last 4 years? Not as dominant as the 4 before in my opinion. So I guess it's all how you look at it. 4-3 2012, 6-1 2013, 5-2 2014, 4-3 2015 is not a 4 year period I'd be talking about as most of a "dominant" 5 year span. I'd call 2007 through 2011 dominant. One 4-2, two 5-1, and two 6-0. That's domination... outside of the Bwater years.

But it's all splitting hairs as HSC has been the most successful team in the conference for almost 15 years. No argument about that. The only reason to pursue this semantic trap is because it is May and it's been a long time since football and still too far to go before it starts again!

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South Region football / Re: FB: USA South Athletic Conference
« on: May 18, 2016, 03:13:27 pm »
Wrestling does not require a field and grass and mowing...a mat will do it.

I think this is a great point. It's also why I believe baseball and softball are the hardest sports to add. Those are purpose built facilities with no other use. Lacrosse, football, soccer, field hockey, all the same synthetic turf field. Add a track and a few jumping pits and outdoor T&F is in the same facility as well. W&L added field hockey and women's golf in the last 20 years, the only ODAC sport they don't participate in is softball. I feel it is coming, but I also feel the reason it hasn't happened already is the otherwise useless expense of building and maintaining a softball diamond.

I also think it's a reason softball is particularly vulnerable to the Olympics (and was cut recently). It's not particularly global, and it is one more white elephant facility that has limited benefit after the games in many countries.

I think their $1.5 BBBBBBBBBBBBillion endowment can handle a softball field.

Of course it can. The debate is whether it should. The last master plan had a space marked out for one, leading me to believe it is coming sometime after the current significant construction wraps up. But in general I find softball and baseball to be very expensive because the facilities are dead space for so much of the year.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: May 18, 2016, 02:35:09 pm »

HSC has won 28 games in the last 4 years with 2 ODAC championships.  Only Guilford has won as many games and they play as you pointed out cupcakes. If HSC played terrible teams in OOC like GC they have 32 wins.  Guilford also do not have an ODAC title. HSC has been in the title hunt going into the last 2 games every year since 2006. In 2014 they beat both GC and EH - injuries played a big role in their late season losses. The tie breaker is not nasty it's the rule. HSC went 2-1 against top 3. GC went 2-1 and lost to HSC.  EH and BC both went 1-2.  HSC won the 2014 ODAC on the field not by a coin flip. No apologies. 

I sure hope HSC plays in Wisconsin in 2018. Nothing like a good road trip.

Touchy touchy. When comparing where a team falls in the ODAC, no point in looking at OOC games. H-SC has fallen off a bit in the last 4 years compared to the 4 before in ODAC play. Still the most consistent top dog in the conference (the only other contender is W&L, and over the same 4 and 8 year span W&L has NOT been consistent). But, H-SC has lost more conference games in the last 4 years than in the 4 before. That's a fact.

4-3
5-2
6-1
4-3

Is not as good as:

5-1
5-1
6-0
4-2

And yes, HSC got the title in 2014, but it wasn't pretty. Doesn't need to be, and HSC has every right to claim the title, the ODAC championship list confirms they were the champions, but for those of us that follow these things it is worth considering. You don't take the title away, it is absolutely HSC's in a way Alabama only wishes they had won however many National Titles they've dreamed up, but winning in a 3 way tie is not the same as going 6-0 or 7-0 when considering league dominance.

The Tigers aren't as dominant in the ODAC over the last 4 years as the 4 before. I don't consider them a lock to finish first or second. I do consider them a lock to finish in the top half of the conference. As a fan, your mileage may vary, but the facts are pretty clear. A small drop off of just over 1 conference loss per year, odd because we added a Shenandoah team to the league that hasn't managed to go above 3-4 in league play. So arguably the league got watered down, but H-SC has basically averaged an extra loss over the 4 years before Shenandoah entered the ODAC.

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South Region football / Re: FB: USA South Athletic Conference
« on: May 18, 2016, 12:01:21 pm »
Wrestling does not require a field and grass and mowing...a mat will do it.

I think this is a great point. It's also why I believe baseball and softball are the hardest sports to add. Those are purpose built facilities with no other use. Lacrosse, football, soccer, field hockey, all the same synthetic turf field. Add a track and a few jumping pits and outdoor T&F is in the same facility as well. W&L added field hockey and women's golf in the last 20 years, the only ODAC sport they don't participate in is softball. I feel it is coming, but I also feel the reason it hasn't happened already is the otherwise useless expense of building and maintaining a softball diamond.

I also think it's a reason softball is particularly vulnerable to the Olympics (and was cut recently). It's not particularly global, and it is one more white elephant facility that has limited benefit after the games in many countries.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: May 18, 2016, 10:45:28 am »
Pat

I just assumed the third best team in the WIAC would have it's way with a team from the ODAC, maybe I'm not giving ODAC enough credit but I think I'm being realistic.


I think Pat's point is UWP may not be the third best team in the WIAC in 2017. Not that the third best team in the WIAC wouldn't handle a top half team in the ODAC. And with H-SC having 9 conference losses in the last 4 years it's hard to guarantee H-SC anything better than top half lately. One outright championship, one nasty tie breaking AQ, and 2 4-3 conference seasons isn't the same strength we saw from 2007-2011. Still more consistent than anyone else, of course, but not as dominant.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: May 17, 2016, 07:19:58 pm »
Brevard has actually played in the NCAA DII South Atlantic Conference (Catawba, Mars Hill, Lenoir-Rhyne, Carson-Newman, Wingate), but the assertion they suck probably still holds true.


Good catch. +K

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Lacrosse, track, cross country, softball / Re: Lacrosse
« on: May 17, 2016, 04:16:05 pm »
I was on vacation, but W&L lacrosse, both men and women, took it on the chin. The men just couldn't keep up with York. The women fell behind early. An awful start. And while they chipped away at UMU for the rest of the game, it was just a hair too deep of a hole. Congrats to UMU's women. That was a good win for them and they got off to a hot start.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: May 17, 2016, 04:12:53 pm »
It's good to see the ODAC teams stepping up. W&L has stepped up big time this year. As has Bridgewater with Gettysburg and Thomas More (and Apprentice, but I'll take the other two over the soft boiled eggs they've played in the past). H-SC adding UWP is nice but at least they hold on to CNU this year. I think UWP is also a function of the ODAC staring down the 7 team problem in 2017. WIAC schools have the same issue. E&H has Brevard and M'Ville this year. Brevard is transitioning to DIII so might be interesting, but they went 0-11 last year in NAIA so they may really suck.

Nice to see Shenandoah stepping up in 2017 with Hobart. This year has nothing to write home about. R-MC back tracked, losing JHU and picking up Dickinson, who was cut out of their traditional game against Hobart on the heels of a long losing streak. And of course Guilford has what it usually has. Marshmallow fluff.

Catholic is leaving, so no point in mentioning them for the future, but this year they've only landed two OOC games. Putrid McDaniel and usually not so good Coast Guard.

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