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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 16, 2014, 01:01:11 pm »


Actually D3 is rife with dynasties. UMU is a good one, but not the most dominant. You'd have to look at Kenyon swimming or the two schools that have dominated wrestling for much longer than UMU let alone UMU/UWW dominated football. Messiah is ridiculously good at soccer, a sport where thanks to low scoring good teams lose to lesser opponents at a much higher rate than sports like football. Some of the women's sports are even worse.


Well, wrestling's a bit different because a team can have multiple individual national champions even if the team doesn't win one. Ithaca had that happen a year they finished 5th as a team.

I think football is a unique for reasons I've mentioned before: It isn't just the national titles, it's that, with Mount specifically, they're almost always going undefeated before the Stagg Bowl and are routinely just blowing teams out every week. As was posted earlier, 46% of their games since 1996 have been won by 40+ points! And that's a pretty high bar for uncompetitiveness, IMO.

Look at this stretch in 2012: 57-0, 52-0, 54-0, 66-0, 62-0, 51-0. There's a level of complete and utter dominance that goes beyond "Mount wins all the time". Whole sections of the season are mere formalities. You might as well not keep score.

I don't disagree, I'm just pointing out that DIII dynasties aren't limited to UMU or the UMU/UWW pairing. It's fairly common. Baseball and basketball seem to avoid the issue, but most D3 sports have long stretches of single team dominance. I'm not sure what UMU is supposed to do about the rest of the OAC. They simply can't make Marietta better. They aren't going to move to a new conference since the OAC is a good spot for them for all sports.

W&L has won 23 of the last 25 ODAC women's tennis championships, losing in 1989 and 2002. The team started in 1985/86, a year after W&L went co-ed. The men's team has won 32 ODAC championships since 1977, the year they joined the ODAC. So 32 of 38 roughly (counting this year). But leaving the ODAC in all sports to find better competition in tennis just doesn't make sense.

Football is a flagship sport, but the realities of the problem exist for a lot of teams in a lot of conferences. There just isn't much you can do.

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 16, 2014, 12:51:53 pm »
Population means a chance, not a certainty.

I don't think it's silly. I do think it has some credibility. It makes a difference.

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/9/11/4718442/college-football-state-texas-california-florida

Texas, Florida, California top the list. 3 of the 4 top states by population as well. New York is an interesting outlier, but for the most part, highest population = most D1 football players. The trickle down should be pretty obvious.

Anyway, the rest of your argument was flawed since it didn't account for population. By any measure, there are more collegiate football programs in a 25MM population area around Ohio than Texas. Since both UMU and UMHB are private schools, in-state versus out of state is less relevant.

Now as far as UWW goes, that's a different kettle of fish.

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 16, 2014, 12:24:35 pm »
UMHB has it easier than UMU. Texas has a population more than twice as big as Ohio. There are 23 D1/D2 schools in Texas, 20 in Ohio. Pretty close. But in D3 terms, there are 21 D3 football schools in Ohio, there are only 8 in Texas. Kind of silly to crawl on a soap box as a Texas school claiming it is less competitive for schools to get good players in Ohio than Texas. It gets worse when you start to consider the number of schools in an area surrounding Ohio with the same population as Texas, as there is no shortage of D3 schools in every state that touches Ohio except West Virginia. By any measure, there are more football programs in a Texas-sized area around Ohio than Texas will EVER have to deal with.

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 16, 2014, 12:13:45 pm »
But having one blow out after another, not being challenged, the #1's playing one half of football week over week, would certainly bore me to death. I don't see how the competitive juices are challenged when you know you are going to be up 50 to 0 at half time. The few blow out games played by HSC over the years have put me to sleep, quickly and the players did not enjoy it either.

Because most h.s. kids don't look at it that way? UMU is going to win conference championships. Kids like championship rings. They are going to make the playoffs. Kids like playing for the best, and they are, most likely, going to play for national titles. Almost all h.s. kids think they are good enough, they just need a break. So of the 100+ freshman that UMU pulls every year, about 20-30 stick it out to play senior year. But none of those kids is going to believe that they aren't going to be one of those 20-30 to walk out without those rings!

Boring to win big? Boring to be pulled at half? No, exciting to win titles and chances at the Walnut and Bronze and, of course, to be the next D3 player headed to the NFL! Show them all wrong. All those D1 schools that offered walk-on treatment or D2 schools and their partial scholarships.

Reality doesn't apply to most h.s. kids. It sure didn't apply to me. I figured I'd wander in to W&L and be a soccer superstar. I was quickly disabused of that notion and realized I might get a chance to play as a junior or senior, if I stuck out the pine for 2 or 3 years. But maybe not even then. Had a nice time playing club rugby and soccer instead of going through the struggle.

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 16, 2014, 10:48:33 am »
I would think the MU players would grow very old of not having competitive games and playing only one half of each game. Why can't other coaches use that to their recruiting advantage. UWW is much different in they have competitive games during the regular season and because of where they are located, play against better competition in the playoffs and enjoy having to play competitive games. I think that may well explain why UWW has won so many championships in the recent past.

Someone needs to right a book on the MU program. Hard to believe one school can be so dominant for so long. Hard to believe other D3 schools have not done a case study in an effort to improve their program.

Actually D3 is rife with dynasties. UMU is a good one, but not the most dominant. You'd have to look at Kenyon swimming or the two schools that have dominated wrestling for much longer than UMU let alone UMU/UWW dominated football. Messiah is ridiculously good at soccer, a sport where thanks to low scoring good teams lose to lesser opponents at a much higher rate than sports like football. Some of the women's sports are even worse.

There are always a few things in common among all these dynasties. Institutional will, which includes admissions flexibility and spending money, and excellent coaching. You need both of those, plus a dash of luck to get rolling. Lots of schools have the admissions flexibility but not the money or coaching. Others have the money but not the flexibility. Some have the flexibility and money, but can't find the coaching. Getting all 3, and keeping the coaching, is tricky.

I will say that if you look at the elite D3 football programs they pretty much fall in line. UMU has had all 3, UWW has used football, and athletics in general, as a huge part of their differentiation from the rest of the UWW system. They are an incredible example of institutional will. Linfield and UMHB have spent the money and don't require much admissions flexibility, both let in close to 90% of applicants, as well as excellent coaching. Wesley is somewhat of an outlier. They have the coaching, and the institutional will to get the kids in, but they don't have the facilities indicative of the money. On the other hand, playing as an independent has cost them dearly in travel fees, so now that they have joined a full conference money may be moved from travel to facilities.

There isn't some massive secret here. There is, however, a huge difficulty in getting the right coach and coaching staff. There are lots of good coaches, I think the ODAC has some excellent coaches, but getting to that nationally competitive coach, and assistant coaches, is a big, big mountain. It requires a bit of luck, and then even more than a bit to hold on to that staff.

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 15, 2014, 04:16:48 pm »
   Here's a really scary thought ... imagine what would happen if Whitewater ever decided to grant instate tuition to Illinois residents, as some of the other WIAC schools do for nearby states.

Something else will change. The entire upper staff bolting for Buffalo will be a challenge for UWW. Getting those top 1% coaches a couple times in a row is hard to do. And it won't take much once the pattern is disrupted for UWW to drop back toward the WIAC median. Of course the WIAC median is still better than most of D3...


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West Region football / Re: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: December 15, 2014, 04:13:36 pm »
First trip to Salem, should we buy tickets on line or just wait until we  get there?  Looking forward to the game and a new ring for the Warhawks.

The trip is worth it once (I went last year) but once you get back to WW you'll never want to go on that bus again.  :P

I have a couple of options on getting to the game, but the bus is my last resort. Hope it doesn't come to that though.

I suppose riding in a car isn't much better.

Bus will be 14+ hours given stops and lower speeds. A car will shave at least two hours off of that, more depending on your stops. My family tends to take longer trips in our motor home. Very convenient with small kids. But I'm keenly aware of how much longer it takes to go each 100 miles at 64 mph versus 79mph...

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West Region football / Re: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: December 15, 2014, 03:55:58 pm »
First trip to Salem, should we buy tickets on line or just wait until we  get there?  Looking forward to the game and a new ring for the Warhawks.

The trip is worth it once (I went last year) but once you get back to WW you'll never want to go on that bus again.  :P

You start talking about 14 hours plus (including stops) and I don't care how nice the bus is, that is a long, long trip.

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 15, 2014, 02:09:32 pm »
I will never blame UWW and UMU for dominating everyone else. It is not their responsibility to be competitive at a lower level. I will, however, say that I just don't care about the Stagg. Over the last few years I've found myself watching less and less of the game, last year I just flipped in and out. This year I doubt I'll even bother. Just check the score the next day.

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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: December 12, 2014, 12:41:33 pm »
I would venture to say the program that ER inherited was in better shape than the program CC inherited, for what that is worth in the analysis.  CC did a lot of the heavy lifting, and ER has kept the program at a high level (not easy to do), so major kudos to both.

Now we need to figure out how to get from a top 15 program to a top 5.  Is this a reasonable goal or just too much wishful thinking?

It requires a lot of institutional will. There isn't an elite football team in DIII that doesn't have football success as a core driver of the university marketing and differentiation strategies. Although I would say in UWW's case it's not football success so much as overall athletic success.

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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: December 09, 2014, 08:39:44 am »
Okay since some of us are Debbie Downers.... guaranteeing no injury throughout the course of the season other than the usual soreness and fatigue (which i miss) what would you pay?

I would pay giant sums of money to re-play certain downs. I would pay zero dollars to play again.

Actually, this night be my favorite answer yet. Replaying a game or two from the past, I'd be happy to go back and do. But not the entire process of a season all over again. Just teleport me together day in my 17-21 year old body.  Maybe just keep me there, actually.

I think I want to revise my answer after seeing these posts.  Laying awake in a pool of sweat with 4 fans blowing on me on the 3rd floor of my brick dorm, counting down the minutes to the 7:00 a.m. film session before another day of 3-a-days started in the Ohio August heat is something I'm not sure I would do over.

I was thinking along these lines from my days playing soccer. Those August practices, conditioning in the morning, skills and small sides in the afternoon, ball drills in the evening. I just don't have the desire to do it again. Of course, I didn't make it as a college athlete either, so I guess I didn't even have the desire then!

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: December 08, 2014, 02:01:40 pm »
Congrats to the ODAC D3 All South Region Players.

First Team Offense
Holton Walker  H-SC
Jordan Hartman Bridgewater

First Team Defense
JerMario Gooch   Guilford

Second Team Offense
Matt Pawlowski  Guilford
Adam Smith  Guilford
Micah Fleet W&L

Second Team Defense
Darrick Gore  Bridgewater

Third Team Offense
Jacob Wright Bridgewater
Cedrick Delaney Shenandoah

Third Team Defense
Hunter Hoots Guilford
Tyler Hunt Guilford

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Curiously though, the much maligned Legion Field is hosting the Birmingham Bowl on Jan 3

Legion Field has hosted a bowl game for almost a decade. It's still an aging, deteriorating, unpleasant place to watch a game. However, it is at least a football stadium, not something all bowl games can claim with Yankee Stadium, Marlin's Stadium and a cricket field in the Bahamas also hosting games. However, with UAB abandoning Legion Field it will see even less use, and the city will devote even less to the stadium upkeep, let alone improvements.

Legion Field is in a bad section of town, although oddly enough it is close to Birmingham-Southern's beautiful campus. B-SC is walled off from the community and has been lovingly and impeccably maintained and improved over the years. Legion Field is very much a part of that section of town and has had none of the care or devotion of our local D3 institution.

Personally I think UAB abandoning the stadium is another step in the historic field's long death spiral. Birmingham will have to decide to put the money in, believing the bowl game, the Magic City Classic, a few h.s. playoff games, and various other low-key events are worth the stadium costs, or it simply needs to be put out of it's misery.

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North Region football / Re: Ohio Athletic Conference
« on: December 08, 2014, 09:02:52 am »
Yep. Extremely surprised and again very, very thankful for our system...

Me too.. BUT, I think they got it right with the 4 teams -- I'm not agreeing with their logic, necessarily.. but whatever.

Yeah, I don't think they got it wrong, but I also don't think there is much difference between Ohio State, TCU and Baylor. Ohio St seems to be playing at a high level right now but any of those three teams had good reasons to be the last one in. Interested in Fl St/Oregon. Not sure FSU is all that good, but so hard to tell because of their competition.

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North Region football / Re: Ohio Athletic Conference
« on: December 08, 2014, 08:41:20 am »
I may not get a chance to watch MUC on STO tonight, but the Buckeyes are doing their best Mount Union monkey-stomp impersonation.   :o

Still going to be the odd team out unless FSU collapses. So thankful for our AQ system

Or maybe not ...  ;D

Yep. Extremely surprised and again very, very thankful for our system...

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