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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 18, 2016, 08:59:23 am »
Let me understand; W&L ran the table in 2015/return 18 starters and are picked to finish 2nd in the odac ? Not sure I'm understanding, but there again, I could give a S+++ about preseason predictions anyway.

Well, it's a mathematical model that isn't including returning starters. Given W&L just pipped Guilford at home last year, and Guilford ran the rest of the table, a math model that doesn't include things like returning starters could very easily give Guilford an edge playing at home this year depending on what factors are included. It's just fairly useless to do those kinds of predictions without including returning starters, hence my previous comment. That being said, predicting a tight ODAC is probably as correct as anyone else will be. It's not like W&L was a trendy pick to run the table last year. I think I had them 4th in my preseason thoughts, and I believe Kickoff might have even had them lower.

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South Region football / Re: FB: American Southwest Conference
« on: August 18, 2016, 08:45:24 am »
Hey yeah! I get to give Hooyah their first +.

I do that with more knowledge than I've ever had of the ASC. 
I drove from D.C to Orange County mainly on Hwy 20 because I wanted to stay in Abilene and tour HSU. My impression? Sul Ross is more in the middle of nowhere than HSU.  :)
sul Ross is more in the middle of nowhere than most places!

As far as D3 football goes, it's hard to say anyone is more in the middle of nowhere than Sul Ross. Those conference trips to Sul Ross are the ugliest in DIII. I can't imagine La Col to SRST or the reverse. 800 miles, 11+ hours each way. I know teams have taken longer trips, but that's a conference match up! Uggh... That alone might have convinced MC to go DII. And yet here's is Belhaven lining up for 900 miles and 12 hours 45 minutes each way!

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 17, 2016, 09:06:42 pm »
Until you have the returning starter info I just don't see the point.

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You don't want to open the can of judgement required, and employee the bureaucracy, to start having to weigh intentions and parse the rules.

I don't think it's that hard.  We can do it right here.  Did Kalamazoo award aid to football players as compensation for agreeing to play football at Kalamazoo?

Nope, but they may have gotten some players by offering more aid compared to other schools because they were calculating based on an illegal formula. Either way, not all cases will be as easy as this one. So make an easy rule and follow it. It's not hard. The point isn't the NCAA rule is wrong in my mind. D3 has agreed to abide by it. The point is K'zoo f'd up. Follow the simple rule and this isn't a problem. Mess up the simple rule and people start whining and complaining about how unfair it is. I'll whine and complain the NCAA is being unnecessarily harsh to the kids caught in this trap, but I won't whine and complain about D3 having an easy to follow, black and white rule. That just makes sense for the purposes of the division.

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For the same reason that you can't have a trustee pay for a kid's tuition when he's a football player. The trustee could pay for a kid's tuition if he wasn't a football player, that's a good samaritan, but if he happens to play football, that's an improper benefit. Sorry Susquehanna. The rules are written to keep D3 pretty simple and therefore pretty cheap and easy to manage. No money for athletics. You don't want to open the can of judgement required, and employee the bureaucracy, to start having to weigh intentions and parse the rules. It gets complicated and expensive in a hurry. And we don't want it to be expensive because then fewer schools will participate and there will be fewer opportunities for student athletes to play.

It's better to have a simple rule. No money for athletics. It's easy to understand, should be easy to follow, and easy to enforce.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 17, 2016, 02:00:03 pm »
It's a discussion for a different board. I 100% agree and I simply don't care. We hand out way to many college degrees in this country. And way too many of them come from schools that simply have to admit kids and churn out degrees that have very little value other than a necessary piece of paper. It's become more a right of passage, money, and perseverance than learning and achievement. And jobs that 10 or 20 years ago wouldn't have required a college degree now do, because there are so many floating around looking to get hired. And good jobs that would have required a college degree now require a masters because a simple bachelors degree doesn't mean what it used to.

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That's hardly fair.  The school can award merit-based aid on extracurricular athletics activity in high school for everybody except the students that want to play in college?  That makes negative sense.  I remain of the opinion that there's a way for the NCAA and Kalamazoo to deal with the aid process that doesn't punish the current student-athletes.  Punishment levied on the S-As for a college administration policy error is wrong.  Like egregiously, offensively wrong.

I wish they had given them this year to sort it out. But regardless, you have to either take the aid away or take the students off the team. The one area I agree with the NCAA is they can't play while receiving aid based on athletics. That's not DIII any way you cut it, regardless of intention. As I said though, the timing is unacceptable to me.

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That's a mess but I see both sides of it. The NCAA is saying Kalamazoo created an unfair environment. How many of those kids would have gone somewhere else if they hadn't been given the incorrect financial aid? That gives Kalamazoo an advantage. However, it's tough on the kids to ask them to pay up right before the semester starts. Probably should have gotten a grace year if the NCAA had any humanity.

I mean how unfair is it, seriously?  KC is 3-7 and 2-8 the last two years.  What competitive advantage have they received?  I don't understand how there's not a solution to the financial award situation that satisfies the NCAA that doesn't also crush those kids and their families.  Why does the NCAA always have to get THAT specific pound of flesh?

To be fair, the financial award situation is only a problem if they want to play sports. They can keep their financial aid and drop from the team. So it doesn't have to crush the families or the education. It's disappointing not to be able to play sports, but getting the degree is paramount and sports should be secondary. I sympathize with the kids and think the NCAA is being ridiculously hard given the timing, but keep the money and get your degree.

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That's a mess but I see both sides of it. The NCAA is saying Kalamazoo created an unfair environment. How many of those kids would have gone somewhere else if they hadn't been given the incorrect financial aid? That gives Kalamazoo an advantage. However, it's tough on the kids to ask them to pay up right before the semester starts. Probably should have gotten a grace year if the NCAA had any humanity.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 17, 2016, 11:48:59 am »
Filling beds for schools with 50 or 60% acceptance rate isn't usually a problem. The issue is you don't really want that rate to drop. So you have to get 2 applicants for every one more you are willing to accept. Ideally one of those two new applicants fills your current minimum requirements so you don't slip in the quality of your student body. But yeah, for schools that have a modicum of rejections, it's not hard to fill beds if you have to in any given year.

The problem is when you have to do it year after year you start to slip. Then the ratings slide, the quality of applicants slide, you start admitting 75-90% of applicants. All of a sudden you are entering the "if they can breath, spell their name right on the application, mommy or daddy can cut a check, and the rap sheet isn't too long, you're in" area. That's when you start struggling to fill beds. 

So growth really needs to be managed very carefully or you can easily find yourself in a bad spiral.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 15, 2016, 02:16:13 pm »

Did you notice how many transfers E&H has? I did a quick run through and counted 15.

I'm not accusing E&H of any wrong doing, but what are they doing that other regional schools aren't? Are they posting "Transfers Wanted" on Craigs List?  ???

They've always had a fairly high number if memory serves. I wouldn't be surprised if Coach Newsome has made it a priority. Coming from VTech's staff he's probably plugged in to the coaching network pretty well. It isn't unreasonable to say he put out the word he's transfer friendly. E&H isn't the hardest school to get into, so if you are local and looking to transfer down to get playing time, it is probably a decent option. On the other hand, it's a transfer that got the last coach in hot water.

Newsome didn't get to Tech by being an idiot, but their Compliance Officer might be a different story..

Don Montgomery wasn't an idiot either, but my guess is he did get desperate.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 15, 2016, 02:02:24 pm »

Did you notice how many transfers E&H has? I did a quick run through and counted 15.

I'm not accusing E&H of any wrong doing, but what are they doing that other regional schools aren't? Are they posting "Transfers Wanted" on Craigs List?  ???

They've always had a fairly high number if memory serves. I wouldn't be surprised if Coach Newsome has made it a priority. Coming from VTech's staff he's probably plugged in to the coaching network pretty well. It isn't unreasonable to say he put out the word he's transfer friendly. E&H isn't the hardest school to get into, so if you are local and looking to transfer down to get playing time, it is probably a decent option. On the other hand, it's a transfer that got the last coach in hot water.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 15, 2016, 01:27:15 pm »
I was assuming admission was already granted in my post, but I agree with you.

I wonder what % of overall enrollment football teams in the ODAC and USAC comprise at these schools...guess we'll have to wait see total numbers in a couple weeks.

Guilford is around 2100 students, so 150 is 7%. More importantly though, it's 54/46 gender split men to women, so roughly 13% of on campus men, are football players. That's fairly high for ODAC for my memory, but nowhere near the highest because Guilford is a fairly large ODAC school.

If you want to know what school really relies on football, you have to look at E&H. E&H has 1012 students, and a 50/50 split. So there are about 500 men on campus. With 136 names reported as coming to camp, http://www.gowasps.com/sports/fball/2016-17/roster, you have almost 14% of the campus, and almost 30% of the men on campus, involved in football.

At the other extreme is W&L. About 1900 undergrads. 75 football players. Roughly 4% of total students. With a 51%-49% split typically, about 8% of the men are football players. That's low in the ODAC, though not substantially lower than H-SC.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 15, 2016, 12:34:21 pm »
Maryville and Guilford are in the same boat. Couple good years and more still to come attracts kids. There's no way an up and coming program that sees sustained success in the ODAC or USAC is going to turn kids down. It helps the schools pay the coaches better and keep them around.

More or less true. Given the acceptance rates at ODAC schools (except W&L) are around 50%, with some touching 80%+, and the USAC in the same boat, football is simply a big flag to wave them in. For better or worse.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: August 12, 2016, 11:15:16 am »
In some ways I think d3 recruiting is more underhanded than any other division. HSC and WL have won the last 9 ODAC championships. They recruit only players they feel can play. Neither have taken the approach of bringing in a huge number of kids and see who sticks. Coaches justify putting kids in huge debt (student loans) with false hope. It practically fraud.

I was involved in a discussion like this over on the OAC boards yesterday. I don't think it's necessarily fraud, and I think it's not necessarily the coach's fault. I do think there are schools that ridiculously over recruit and promise things that have no chance of happening. I think there are some schools that are infamous for this. But I think in other cases, like any of the Purple Powers, the huge numbers include a small number of heavily recruited kids and a whole lot of delusional 18 year olds that simply don't know what the reality is for DIII level football.

I do feel bad for those kids, and the ones that have been over-recruited for no purpose other than dollars. But so long as they graduate with a degree they got the important part, even if they were mislead about their ability to play football. So yeah, it's irritating and, in my opinion dishonest, to recruit 100+ first years come to campus. I don't have a ton of respect for schools that use this practice, but that doesn't mean it can't work out properly.

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