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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: October 20, 2016, 01:41:49 pm »
W&L scored fewer points against CUA than HSC did. Mean anything ? Probably not as each game is different from the other.
I'm just hoping for a 42 to 35 HSC victory. Good luck and may the second best team playing win !!!!!

About as much as W&L scoring more against Guilford. It'll play on the field. Both teams have been too inconsistent to really have confidence in an outcome.

South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: October 20, 2016, 11:37:43 am »
You expecting a close game in Lexington on Saturday ?
Does the W&L team that played CUA show up or the one that played GC ?
Is GC not very good or did W&L play really well ?
Can W&L beat HSC and RMC back to back ? (not the feat it once was)
Can/will to a 2 loss team win the odac in a tie break ? (not likely for W&L to lose 2 odac games)

Yes. These teams usually play competitive games. I expect this one to be no different though perhaps not as close as recent contests. H-SC has held W&L under 35 points 4 times since 2007, those were all H-SC wins. When W&L scores 35 or more recently, W&L wins. Only Guilford (15), in a downpour, and Catholic (28), have scored less than 35 on H-SC. The only game H-SC has score 35 points is at a relatively poor Bridgewater team. I think W&L will score on H-SC, I'm not sure H-SC has the horses this year to keep up, especially on the road.

Don't know. Really hope W&L found something last weekend and can carry it forward. They are formidable if that happens.

GC is good. Not as good as last year by quite a bit, but good enough to cause problems. W&L put together their best game of the year. Watch the GC lines. I wasn't impressed. I don't know if they had a bad game or if that is their weak point.

Yes, W&L can beat them both. Especially at home. If the team that played last weekend shows up, I think they are 1-2 score games. RMC's defense will be a tough nut to crack, but I really don't think much of their offense.

I think it's unlikely we will have a 2 loss champion. Either W&L or RMC is likely to win out in my opinion. W&L's offense or RMC's defense, take your pick. W&L has 3 of their last 4 at home. Huge schedule advantage, especially since the road game is at a fairly hapless Bridgewater squad that scored 10 points in the last 2 games. RMC has to go to Lexington and Farmville.

There is a loose cog in the machine, and that is Shenandoah. Ask me about them after they play Guilford this weekend. I don't think they are a threat, but we will find out more this weekend.

South Region football / Re: South Region Fan Poll
« on: October 20, 2016, 11:19:40 am »
+K. This is the problem we face. We don't have a second top 10 type South Region team. We have UMHB, then we have a slew of second tier schools that simply aren't in that stratosphere. Whether it is JHU, TMC, W&J, none are a title threat right now, but all can go 10-0 or 9-1, win a game or two in the playoffs, and bow out to the top tier. Maybe another of the ASC schools is good enough to make progress, but the Texas Sub-bracket usually takes care of them before we can find out.

So yeah, JHU isn't a national title contender, but it's hard to put anyone else in that slot.

South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: October 20, 2016, 09:50:10 am »
What happened to hasa ? Not heard from him in a good while.

He's probably out travelling. He's still getting his South Region Fan Poll ballots in, so he's following along at least a bit.

Here's an interesting story. Something tells me the MIAC doesn't win many cross-admit battles with the Ivy League. That being said, UST is still aspiring for "Boston College of the Upper Midwest" status so this is a step in the right direction.  ;)

Back when I was a UST admissions tour guide, they told us to tell students on tour that St. Thomas was like the "Notre Dame of the North..." which I never did because it was so stupid on so many levels.  Like, for one, Notre Dame is already in the north.  Two, really? Three, REALLY??

+K  It always makes me laugh when schools confuse their aspirations with reality.  I suspect it is a common problem with college administrators.

South Region football / Re: South Region Fan Poll
« on: October 19, 2016, 09:33:14 am »
Hmm. I'm the lone holdout on Huntingdon. I'm really struggling with the NC Wes loss. I actually think I'd go with Maryville before I threw Huntingdon a vote. At least they lost to a team that floats around the poll, on the road, by 1 point. Fortunately they play 11/5, so unlike the PAC we can actually see these teams on the field.

I've got Case at 6 like most of the poll. I also know their opponents are 12-27 on the year and their best opponent to date is either Chicago at 3-3 or St Vincent at 4-2. How do you end up with the pillow fight of the week, every week, for your first 7 games in the PAC?

Flip a coin for the SAA. That one is going to the wire. Good but not great. Having seen Hendrix I wasn't surprised Berry beat them. I'm surprised that Hendrix beat Centre and therefore I'm surprised Centre beat Wash U because Wash U beat Berry (easily by the way). All of which has me flabbergasted.

The ODAC. Oh the ODAC. All I can say about the ODAC is W&L is 3-0, beat Guilford, and lost to two teams that are currently 10-1. Granted the 1 loss was a monkey stomping that gets in the way of the narrative, but I don't think the ODAC is as tangled as people believe right now. I think the best team just happens to have a real OOC schedule this year, unlike most of the other teams and their incestuous reliance on some part of Methodist, Averett, and Greensboro. I'm not the 10 vote for W&L by the way. They need to do some more winning before they find their way back in my poll after some of their ugly wins and the complete second half disaster against C-M-S.

Yeah, not really interested in Southwestern. Sorry. They've beaten 3 teams that have 6 wins between them and lost to anyone they played that is competent. With the round robin, it doesn't get better.

I've got great respect for Carnegie Mellon, but sooner or later they have to beat someone. I like close losses to good teams. It's a good tie breaker versus losses to bad teams. But when you have 3 losses to good teams, it means you aren't at that top tier. They've beaten 3 teams that are 5-15. But I group them with W&L right now. You've got to actually win some, not just play them close if you want to be ranked.

Where am I an outlier? Well Huntingdon for one, as discussed. But I'm also the 7 for Westminster. Here's a team that has lost 1 close game, and won some bad ones. What sets them apart from CMU? Maybe nothing except their SOS, but at some point you have to reward winning. If you lose to the top 10 teams in the country, you are still 0-10. You might be #11, but I doubt too many people would put you there.

South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: October 18, 2016, 12:36:54 pm »
Interesting how quiet this board has gotten. With RMC, HSC, W&L and Guilford all in the mix I'd hoped to see some more new blood.

From W&L's game notes for this week, with some added analysis:

HSC leads the all time series 38-34-2, stretching back to 1899. The last nine meetings have had at least 57 points scored. The lowest score for a winning team was 35, twice. W&L is 20-18-2 at home against H-SC all time, but only 3-5 in the era.

Coach Favret is 10-6 against W&L, Coach Abell is 2-2 against H-SC.

The key for W&L is to get 400 yards rushing. In the last 7 seasons, W&L has gotten 400 yards rushing 29 times and is 27-2, a 93% winning record. They hit the mark in 42% of games played over the time period. Over the same span they are 18-22, a 45% chance of winning, when they fail to reach 400 yards rushing. W&L is 1-2 on the season when they don't rush for 400 yards, losing to JHU (358), beating Sewanee (261), and losing to CMS (379). They are 3-0 when rushing for 400+ yards, E&H (495), Catholic (434), and Guilford (498).

W&L once again leads all of college football in average rushing yards per game, as they did last season. At just over 404 ypg, they lead by less than 1 ypg over an NAIA team, and by about 8 yards per game over Salisbury. W&L has yet to gain less than 400 yards of total offense in a game yet this season, with a low of exactly 400 against Sewanee and a high of 579 against E&H.

A win this weekend would be 12 straight ODAC wins for W&L. The Generals are currently tied for their longest ever conference win streak, 11 wins, with a winning streak that stretched across the 2010/2011 seasons. That streak included a perfect 6-0 conference record in 2010, and a 5-0 start to the 2011 season before a 42-35 season ending loss at H-SC. I still hold W&L's 11th week bye in contempt for helping end that season and part of the reason I dread Catholic leaving the conference.

In an interesting turn of fate, H-SC's longest conference win streak of the Favret era is 12 games starting the week after a loss in Lexington in 2006 to finish with 2 conference wins, then 6-0 in 2007, and 4 wins in 2008 to open the season. The 12th and final win in that streak was a 39-29 win at W&L, before a 33-21 loss at Catholic the following week.

Of course neither team can touch Bridgewater's run of 36 consecutive ODAC victories from 1999 to 2006.

W&L's generally entertaining game notes can be found here:

South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: October 17, 2016, 04:52:36 pm »
yes I get it. I'm firmly believe if the first option is taken away the other two are easier to defend. We'll see what happens. If HSC does not score at least 35 points, W&L wins. Can HSC slow down the running attack ? Has not done so all season, so probably not. Can W&L defense the pass and keep the HSC offense off the field ? If they can, they win big.

I agree. Football is always football. Stop the other guy, don't get stopped yourself. Don't make mistakes. These teams have a history of playing good games. I will be surprised if it is a blowout. Too much on the line. W&L is looking for their longest ODAC winning streak in team history. H-SC is playing for their conference championship lives every week. Shame it is only Monday.

South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: October 17, 2016, 04:17:28 pm »
I don't think anyone has fewer than 8 in the box against W&L. 9 isn't overly unusual with a DB covering the single wide and a safety medium deep, but you run the risk of not covering the edges with 9 in the box. Defenders have to stay home and stay awake on every single play and not get twitchy. And the D Line has to keep the O line from sealing edges and knocking LB's out of lanes. It's a lot to ask of a defense that doesn't get a whole lot of practice against the scheme.

Nelson and Sgro are both adept at reading the defense. All it takes is one guy to step the wrong direction thinking it's a dive up the middle at the snap and they are headed out to the edge. Or, as Guilford found all day Saturday, all it takes is the outside LBs to cheat a step or two to the edge, fearing the slot back in motion on a jet sweep, or step a yard or two up toward the line on the outside looking to attack the pitch point, and the line will blow a hole up the middle.

South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: October 17, 2016, 01:25:39 pm »
I agree. This is a huge weekend. I'm hopeful for W&L for the first time since the middle of the CMS game.

I don't think H-SC can stay with the W&L team that showed up against Guilford. H-SC's defense has leaked large amounts of points in every game not played in the outer bands of a hurricane. However, I'm sure H-SC can play with the W&L team that showed up for Sewanee and Catholic.

I won't be surprised if Guilford loses at Shenandoah. A lot will depend on line play. If they get abused by the Shenandoah lines like they did by W&L, Guilford will have another long afternoon. If they can keep the pressure off the qb, then I'm thinking Guilford has plenty of tools to win.

I don't think Catholic can beat RMC in Richmond. Catholic has had two heartbreakers at home, but going on the road is a different story. RMC's defense is stout. I don't think Catholic's is good enough to hold off what little is passing for RMC's offense these days.

E&H at Bridgewater. E&H can score, Bridgewater really hasn't except against H-SC and Gettysburg. 2 teams that have given up a lot of points this year. I think Bridgewater is in trouble this year.

South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: October 17, 2016, 12:17:43 pm »
so coach Williams is breaking the law ?


yep, I rather have peaceful protest vs. violent ones for sure. still think I've lived too long. I can't watch this stuff much longer, would have left the game had I been there, my peaceful protest. don't watch NFL as a result, will stop watching/supporting college sports if this continues. fans can protest as well by simply not showing up and I hope they do.

Well I think you have the right of it tfa2. Just like I support their right to peaceful protest I fully support, and completely agree, with yours! I watch precious little of the NFL. I find it boring compared to college and I haven't been to an NFL game in over a decade. I'm unlikely to go any time soon. I won't go see a US Women's National Team Soccer game so long as Megan Rapinoe is kneeling while simultaneously representing our country. And yes, in the past I have taken my daughter to those games. But I think Rapinoe has the right, even if I think it is doubly offensive while playing for the national team and I won't help support the team financially while it is happening.

If the past special event soccer games at Target Field, TCF Bank Stadium, and US Bank Stadium are any indication, there will be a "4 tickets for $40" deal offered when we get closer to the game.

Yeah, maybe I can get in those sweet section 101 seats.  ::)

It's like watching NYC FC play their home games at Yankee Stadium. I've had friends that have gone and described it as atrocious. Same with the Pinstripe Bowl. At least it isn't like when Northwestern played Illinois a few years ago at Wrigley, where whoever was on offense always had to go the same way since there wasn't enough room behind the end zone to be safe. I hate gimmick games. Of course for NYC FC it's not a gimmick. It's just MLS got so excited to pair with some rich owners they forgot every bit of common sense and knowledge they should have used.

South Region football / Re: South Region Fan Poll
« on: October 17, 2016, 11:28:21 am »
The SAA and ODAC are causes of concern for me. 4 way tie in the SAA and typical ODAC play doesn't help.
Games against JHU have become a bar of sorts for some teams on my ballot this week.

Yeah. I have no ODAC or USAC teams in my poll right now. Have 3 ASC teams, 2 CC teams, 4 PAC, 1 SAA. The PAC thing looks odd to me, but TMC, Case, Westminster and W&J. Westminster and W&J play this week and Case and Westminster play 11/5, so some of that will get sorted. W&J sits at 10. Their last two games haven't really been overwhelming, but they have one loss to TMC. My next couple teams up, Berry, Hendrix, Centre, Huntingdon all have losses that are significantly less appealing.

South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: October 17, 2016, 10:57:59 am »
I think most of us feel this way. But that is the point of protest isn't it? A protest won't work if no one notices. People don't notice things they are comfortable with. So you find a way that upsets people. I'm much more supportive of being upset by non-violent means than violent ones. I'll trade all these people disrespecting the anthem and the flag if it diverts one person from murdering police in Dallas or rampaging riots in Baltimore. If the anger needs an outlet, a protest, this is a benign one.

Non-violent protest is a good thing, at least compared to the alternative. Do I wish they found a different way? I do. Especially now that it is has become an issue about the "how" and not the "what".

South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: October 17, 2016, 10:09:34 am »
36 U.S. Code § 301 - National anthem
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1) when the flag is displayed—
(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
(Pub. L. 105–225, Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1263; Pub. L. 110–417, [div. A], title V, § 595, Oct. 14, 2008, 122 Stat. 4475.)

Yeah. I know. Notice the bolded portion. Wording is important in legal documentation. Should and must are different words. Also, there is no enforcement. And as I pointed out, this is one part of a large code that is routinely violated with no one complaining. Now we complain, but no one ever complains about the flag being used in other ways. See the bolded portions below:

"§176. Respect for flag
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."

You are picking and choosing what you want enforced or what you are offended about. And it's been going on for decades. And since it isn't enforceable, there is nothing to actually follow. I agree with the code on what people SHOULD do. I agree the Guilford players SHOULD stand and respect the flag and anthem.

All quotes from:

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