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East Region football / Re: East Region Fan Poll
« on: October 06, 2014, 02:30:15 pm »

JK, I just don't get how you can just toss a loss because they always lose to them.  They lost and that has to mean something.  I just think the vote losses some credibility.  It looks homerish to me.  I dropped Thomas More out of the top 10 in the South because they have 2 losses.  Do I think they may be still in the top 10, yes, but with 2 losses and others undefeated I have to make a change in my opinion and in the end that is all these polls are.  Does make for fun discussion though.

Oh I don't agree with it. I just think that might have been the logic. I also dropped TMC out of my South poll because the two losses weren't very close. And what else are the polls good for except some fun discussion?

South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: October 06, 2014, 02:28:25 pm »

Congrats on the great start to the season. I'm a little taken back by the # of tackles credited to one of your DB's. Other than he is a very good player, does that mean the front seven is having problems stopping the run ?

Who plays E&H this week ? The new coach out there has turned things around pretty damn quick. Shocked they beat RMC. Either E&H has really improved or RMC is struggling right now, maybe both.


This coming weekend is no time for your Gennies to get their act together. Would greatly appreciate it if they were to wait another week !!! You said they were not very good but I'm not buying that until we get out of Lexington alive. Tigers better not take them for granted, if they do, their season could be ruined. Is BC and E&H for real ? I get the fact that GC is the real deal (although I wasn't buying into that until this past Saturday).

E&H is better. I'm not sure RMC is much better than last year. About BC, I don't know. I think they are going to win more than one conference game, so I suppose they are going to be better as well. I don't think they are a real threat to win the ODAC.

I don't think W&L can hang with HSC. Lexington isn't the fortress it was a few years ago. I do expect the Generals to keep it closer than they did against Guilford, but a lot depends on if HSC can get out in front quick. If they do, the game could get out of hand. HSC has enough upperclassmen to prevent a let down.

East Region football / Re: East Region Fan Poll
« on: October 06, 2014, 02:21:49 pm »
Have to ask, How can fisher still receive a first place vote?  They lost to a sub 500 team at the time.  I get the fact that you might THINK they are better than everyone else, but the results don't back up the thinking.  I know it is just a poll, but shouldn't it at least reflect actual outcomes.  I take part in the South Region Fan Poll, so I like to see what the other regions are voting like.

Check out the NRFP's recent discussion and also the Top 25 fan poll's discussion for some thoughts on this.  I happen to agree with you, FTR.

ExTP -- I don't usually disagree with you, but I do here. This is completely different than the NRFP situation because we aren't dealing with common opponents or even a H2H. I wonder if what we have here is a voter who sees SJF lost to Salisbury and simply doesn't care because SJF always loses to Salisbury. And, despite losing to Salisbury, a couple of years it still worked out pretty good for SJF. That's different than ignoring a H2H. Won't say if it is better or worse, just different than the NRFP discussion...

East Region football / Re: Empire 8
« on: October 06, 2014, 02:17:00 pm »
Honestly, I think a lot of it is that it's Mount Union that often takes our place.

Look, Mount deserves every single win they get because they've earned it. Mount wins because Mount is better. Period. And it's the responsibility of the other programs to step their games up like the UWW, MHB, Wesley's have. So don't mistake what I'm about to say as sour grapes.

I guess I just feel like, I've been a serious D-III football fan since about the mid 90s. I mean, I've loved Ithaca football since I was five, but I wasn't really aware of how the D-III landscape worked until the mid 90s. And that's right around the time that Mount went on their little 109-1 run.

Again, they deserve all they get, but they're now 292-12 since the start of the 1992 season. As a fan, I'm just burnt out on Mount Union football

I've followed D3 for less time than you have, that's for sure. I was fairly into in college, but then dropped out mostly except for a few moments when W&L had a good run until 2008 or so. But I'm fairly sick of the big 2 already. 2+ years ago there was this big discussion of whether the big 2 was good for D3, and I'm not going to rehash it, but I agree completely. Kind of tired of them. The fact that in all of the 230+ D3 playoff eligible teams, there are only 4-5 true championship contenders (and that's being generous), just blows.

But you are 100% correct that it is up to everyone else to take it away from the big 2. It's not up to them to be generous...

East Region football / Re: Empire 8
« on: October 06, 2014, 12:46:46 pm »

Further I just don't understand the fascination with having a bracket built around the region. Let it go. The playoffs aren't all that regional anymore and won't be unless the money dries up. Moving Wesley in doesn't mean anything for the "East" anymore than when the MAC was shifted from South to East.

I think it has to do with avoiding a team like Mount/UMHB for an extra round, which hopefully allows a team to go a round deeper into the playoffs

Interesting. The care isn't to actually be one of the best teams in the country, it's just to survive longer until facing one? I guess we all suffer from that desire. I know I did when W&L made the playoffs. Still, doesn't really say much about the quality of the team, simply that the inevitable was put off for another week.

East Region football / Re: Empire 8
« on: October 06, 2014, 10:25:14 am »
There goes all of that talk of Fisher getting a number 1 seed.

The good news is that next year the East will "get" a bracket built around them once Wesley joins our region.

What makes you think that? Wesley hasn't had a 1 seed all that often historically, although I believe they were a 1 seed in 2009 and 2006. Other than that, roughly speaking, they've been mostly a 2. I don't think it's a given they will be a 1 seed, although I do like their odds of having undefeated NJAC seasons the way the conference looks this year.

Further I just don't understand the fascination with having a bracket built around the region. Let it go. The playoffs aren't all that regional anymore and won't be unless the money dries up. Moving Wesley in doesn't mean anything for the "East" anymore than when the MAC was shifted from South to East.

And if you really want to stick a nail in this "regional" idea, according to TES, SJF is 294 miles from UMU. They are 400 miles from Wesley. UMU has a better claim to a regional tournament with SJF in it than Wesley does...

South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: October 06, 2014, 09:32:35 am »

GC has a really good offense this year, but they are suspect against the run at times.  This worries me a little bit, as they were torched on the ground last year by both RMC and HSC.  I was at both of those contests, and during the RMC game they pounded Guilford up front with what appeared to be a simple zone blocking scheme.  Also, during the HSC game, I was surprised at what looked like a designed draw for Nance.  They ran it over and over, and GC never found an answer for it.  Those two examples are my reasons for being a little reserved about Guilford being a complete team.  The secondary is good, but they are going to have to improve up front. 

Does anyone know anything about Shenandoah this year?  I saw where they looked to be in a pretty tight game with BC, but I really haven't sat down and looked at the box score or anything.

Yep. That's my comment about being tough enough. Run stopping is when the defense proves its steel chops and Guilford will have to do it well if they want to beat the Tigers. Not sure they have it in the front 7 yet. Shenandoah should be marginally better than last year. I think a 3-4 or 4-3 conference record, like last year, is likely. There is some excellent coaching in the conference these days and Coach Yoder is a part of that.

South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: October 06, 2014, 09:00:50 am »
Hello all, I am new to the board but I have been following the posts for years.  I look forward to talking football with you all.  Jknezek, I was at the W&L/Gc game yesterday and I did see a few good things from your Gennies.  They looked pretty young on paper so there are some guys racking up good experience on the field.  I will say I was impressed by the way the QB and the rest of the backfield excuted the option.  They take care of the ball and appear to try and get north/south quickly.  They gave GC's defense problems at times.  With those guys being so young I am willing to bet they will be very formidable in years to come.

Welcome to the board. And yes, W&L is very young. Something didn't quite go right with Coach Abell's first two recruiting classes as a head coach. There are some guys in those classes, but not enough. I feel for guys like Micah Fleet, who is a senior Olineman. He's excellent, but there just isn't enough around him right now so this has to be a tough year to swallow. It happens, and I think the frosh and soph classes show that Coach Abell has got it going the right direction now. We'll see how the guys mature and how the classes go from here.

All that being said, the guys are working hard, they just are out gunned right now. This year I think belongs to HSC, though there is a lot of football to play and Guilford certainly isn't going to be a push over. But the Tigers look good right now. I think starting with the Wabash loss was so good for them to understand what it is going to take. Will they have a let down? Maybe, but I think if there was a year where it isn't going to happen, it's going to be this one.

Guilford... man what a difference from a few years ago. Coach R has done real good work with that program and it would not surprise me if they get a crown this year or next (not projecting farther than that!). The Quakers are good on offense, but I'm not sure they are tough enough on defense yet to take down the Tigers. Especially on the road. We will see, but I said two years ago the Quakers were improving, I said last year I wouldn't bet against them much this year, and there is no doubt the Quakers are making those thoughts look good.

On another note, a fresh coach has done wonders for E&H. The last couple years that was a team that just couldn't muster the extra bit to one tight games when needed. While they faded a bit against RMC, I'm seeing a lot I like with E&H and I haven't been able to say that for a long time. I think E&H is going to get their wins this year. Enough to make noise and we will have to see how they recruit going forward and how the ODAC adopts to the new schemes, but it is definitely looking up right now.

Overall I think the ODAC is looking stronger these days top to bottom. With the exception of Catholic, and W&L, everyone has taken a step forward in quality. W&L I think is in a temporary lull. Not sure about Catholic. They just don't look good.

South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: October 04, 2014, 06:21:06 pm »
Well I can't say I'm much surprised at the three ODAC outcomes so far. Little surprised how much E&H was rolling RMC until the end. A little surprised how easily Guilford scored on W&L, but not at the outcome. Not too surprised about HSC at Catholic. We will see what tonight brings.

South Region football / Re: Southern Athletic Association
« on: October 04, 2014, 06:19:15 pm »
Beautiful day today at BSC. Sewanee shot themselves in the foot. Repeatedly. BSC gets the win. Sewanee gets a lesson in what happens when you are not able to make 4th and short a couple times in the red zone and you keep losing fumbles in and out of the red zone.

East Region football / Re: Empire 8
« on: October 04, 2014, 06:16:57 pm »
To be clear, I'm not arguing anything about the elite status of a program.  I've been saying all along there is no way Fisher finishes undefeated.  All I'm saying is that this team has the potential to be awesome, and that this showing against Salisbury is not an accurate reflection on how strong Fisher is or isn't.  If they make it to the playoffs, I wouldn't want to be a team facing them.

Of course it's an indicator of potential. It may not be the absolute answer to whether they can be awesome, but it's an indicator. Awesome teams win the games they are supposed to win. Does that mean SJF isn't as good as last year? No. But does it give anyone a lot of faith that they are substantially better? No to that either. I suppose SJF's saving grace going forward is there are no more option teams as the E9 will be configured. I wouldn't recommend scheduling one OOC either. It seems to be a chronic achilles heal.

South Region football / Re: Southern Athletic Association
« on: October 04, 2014, 12:04:31 pm »
Set up at BSC. Love this field. Park the motor home on the hill behin the end one and watch from my folding chairs. Best physical tailgate location. Atmosphere still needs work....

South Region football / Re: Southern Athletic Association
« on: October 03, 2014, 03:25:46 pm »

Work is keeping me in Huntsville this weekend... my employer is hosting a major music festival on our campus and it was strongly "suggested" that we volunteer.   At least I'll have decent enough bandwidth at work to listen to the B-SC/Sewanee game.

that's a shame. I'll cheer on your Tigers this weekend.

North Region football / Re: Ohio Athletic Conference
« on: October 03, 2014, 02:14:05 pm »
Speaking of Pentello, it's a sad situation in Columbus.....

I'm assuming this would be family to the "Capital Pentello"??

Of course I know nothing of the details in this situation so I'll ask my question on a hypothetical.
If a coach smacked a player in the helmet during a heated moment of practice and there was neither an injury nor a complaint from the player / player's parent, should the school take action against the coach (I'm assuming word gets back to Administration via chatter or story telling)?

The times are changing.  What was common practice in the '60s is considered abuse these days.

I guess the part I struggle with is when administration steps in when there isn't a player or parent complaint.
In reading the posts I'm obviously not alone in my experience of a HS coach getting rough w a player. Not a single player I know took it as "abusive". In fact we still laugh about those moments today when we get together.
I do understand it's not so simple as that since a player may be too intimidated or afraid to make a complaint. 
I don't know the answer- except to say I'd like to see the the opinion of the "abused" given greater weight when determining if/how much discipline should be rendered.

The problem with this is the same problem you have in any case with a power discrepancy. It's real easy to apply pressure to the victim to say it wasn't a big deal. Just a bad way to go about it. Don't ask me for a good one, I don't have any real ideas there. But any case like this, domestic violence, bullying, workplace harassment, etc., you can't rely on the victim that heavily because the victim might have too much at stake.

Men's soccer / Re: 2014 D3 Season: National Perspective
« on: October 03, 2014, 01:27:44 pm »
Just seems the players across the nation are going down a whole lot more than they did 15-20 years ago.

I always attributed this to just simply going too hard for too long.. Kids starting competitive soccer from the time they hit age 7, they test their bodies from the get-go. Combine that with playing year round, boom. Their bodies are always pushed and never given time to rest.

Playing year round and only playing one sport year round. Same stress on the same failure points. If kids didn't specialize so much, i.e. different sports in different seasons like it used to be, you wouldn't constantly be acting on the same stress points. We know repetitive motion injuries exist, the logical extension of those injuries is an increase in specialization equals more injuries over time. A kid that played soccer in the fall, basketball in the winter and baseball in the spring was probably less susceptible to injuries common in each sport than the kid that plays three seasons of one sport. Let alone we've now basically gone to four season, single sport specialization at the mid-tier and above youth levels.

You also can add in that we have a much lower "stopping point" for injuries right now. Things that 20 years ago you used Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation and Time to cure now end up with much fancier methods. And what parent wants their child coming back from a small injury, after expensive PT or other therapies, to step back on the field right away? So even smaller injuries are bigger deals.

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