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South Region football / Re: South Region Fan Poll
« on: November 18, 2014, 01:38:57 pm »

The close game against HSU and two dominant wins against teams that have put up good offensive numbers seem to be seen in good light now as UWW also had a close match. Guess my thoughts weren't all to  off.

You have the same number of 1 votes as you did prior to the HSU game. The light hasn't changed.

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West Region football / Re: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: November 18, 2014, 01:35:05 pm »

Maybe the ASC has been a two bid conference in the past but TLU beating every other ASC member and losing to UMHB by 56 points isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for the league receiving two bids.  ???

No, it doesn't. You are right. But the point is that TLU didn't play a terrible schedule. And while TLU got monkey stomped, other ASC teams were, somewhat, competitive with UMHB. Hardin-Simmons and Louisiana College both were respectable against UMHB, and both lost to TLU. Redlands went 6-1 in the SCIAC, almost nipped Chapman, but were destroyed by UMHB and Linfield, does that mean the SCIAC champ isn't a good team? Chapman is ranked pretty high.

Comparative data only gets you so far. TLU played a legitimate D3 schedule and their only loss was to an elite in a non-conf game. Granted it was a really, really bad loss, but you don't want to start telling teams not to schedule an elite, which is essentially what excluding TLU from the tournament would do.

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West Region football / Re: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: November 18, 2014, 01:29:57 pm »
"UWO, UWP, NCC, SJF, Concordia-Moorhead for sure and perhaps Bethel"

I get your point, I just disagree. I'm fine with the playoffs so long as no team that has a legitimate shot to win the national title is missing. While that can be arbitrary, I don't think any of the teams above were a threat to win the title. UWO comes closest, but the other teams all lost twice. Granted they lost to good teams, but you have to beat good teams to win the national title, and they all failed, TWICE. Are they better than teams in the playoffs? Absolutely, but they weren't a credible threat to win the biggest games when they already lost big games, twice.

That leaves UWO. Which becomes an argument about schedule. Why did UWO choose to schedule 3 non D3 schools? Do we want to encourage this? Why did TLU schedule UMHB? Do we want to encourage that? The answer to me is pretty clear. If you want to make the D3 playoffs as a second chance school, you need all the possible D3 data you can provide. UWO didn't do that. We do want to encourage TLU to schedule UMHB because it is D3 and, to be honest, it might help UWO schedule D3 in the future.

Is TLU better than UWO? Who knows. No comparable data exists. I'd assume UWO is better, but UWO did nothing to help their cause. TLU did everything they could, winning 9 D3 games against an ASC schedule and volunteered to play one of the best teams in D3. That is the kind of thing I'd rather applaud.

The argument that UWO is better has no facts, only speculation. The argument that TLU blew it would make it unreasonably more difficult for the Power 4 teams to schedule OOC games. The NCAA, in my mind, chose correctly. It doesn't harm the tournament outcome to me since I highly doubt either team could win it all.

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West Region football / Re: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: November 18, 2014, 12:42:37 pm »
Seriously, regarding the selection process, I feel like the lone wolf when it comes to my incredible frustration that a team that lost 72-16 to a D3 conference opponent was given a playoff bid.
Is there anyone out there that shares my pain (other than the players and especially the seniors of all the more worthy teams that didn't get the bid)?

UMHB is not a conference opponent for TLU. TLU is in the SCAC, UMHB is in the ASC. TLU volunteered to play UMHB and got their rears handed to them. They also played every team in the ASC, and defeated them all. So they would have finished second in the ASC were they in that conference. The ASC has been a multi-bid conference in the past.

Leaving TLU out wouldn't have bothered me, but it would have made it pointless to schedule UMHB or any of the big teams going forward. Why do that if you can get in at 9-1 or 10-0 playing other competition?

Sorry, I should have left it at "D3" opponent, as that is really my point.
There are arguments on both sides of the scheduling tough opponents idea.  Specific to this issue I think is the question:  What is the goal of the D3 playoffs?  If the goal is to crown a team as the best in D3, then shouldn't the tournament invite those teams most likely to compete for that title?
TLU is to be commended for scheduling UMHB, but that game was their opportunity to prove they are worthy of competing in the tournament.  Losing by such a wide margin clearly indicates they are not ready yet.     

There are 4 teams most likely to win the national title. There might be 3 or 4 more teams that if things break exactly right, might get a shot at the title. None of those 8 teams are missing from the tournament. Are there teams missing that could win a few games? Sure. But that's how it's always been. All the teams that got left out have already been proven inferior to someone.

Didn't UWO already miss their opportunity to prove they are worthy of competing? NCC and SJF as well. Who are you upset about?

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West Region football / Re: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: November 18, 2014, 12:08:29 pm »
Seriously, regarding the selection process, I feel like the lone wolf when it comes to my incredible frustration that a team that lost 72-16 to a D3 conference opponent was given a playoff bid.
Is there anyone out there that shares my pain (other than the players and especially the seniors of all the more worthy teams that didn't get the bid)?

UMHB is not a conference opponent for TLU. TLU is in the SCAC, UMHB is in the ASC. TLU volunteered to play UMHB and got their rears handed to them. They also played every team in the ASC, and defeated them all. So they would have finished second in the ASC were they in that conference. The ASC has been a multi-bid conference in the past.

Leaving TLU out wouldn't have bothered me, but it would have made it pointless to schedule UMHB or any of the big teams going forward. Why do that if you can get in at 9-1 or 10-0 playing other competition?

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North Region football / Re: Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
« on: November 18, 2014, 12:03:49 pm »
There are several jacka$$es on here that that ruin the discussion to be honest.

Don't dilute my credit. I've earned that.

Franklin has solid offensive and defensive lines (size and experience) and My line is Wabash by 7-8 if I had to set one based on paper/stats.  No real comparitive competition so hard to say.

So, wait. You're basing this line only on paper and you're setting it at 7-8? This is funny. On paper, Wabash wins by many, many more than that. You better hope there's some looming, invisible-on-paper physical discrepancy that is revealed on Saturday. And maybe then you'll have a close game. On paper, it's 100-0.

If the line is Wabash -100 then I am thinking I might have to take the Griz and points.

If BashDad is making that line, I want in on it too.

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General football / D3 player on ESPN
« on: November 18, 2014, 11:52:15 am »

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Men's soccer / Re: 2014 D3 Season: National Perspective
« on: November 18, 2014, 11:41:25 am »
Thanks guys. I know the endowment info is public, I just didn't feel like finding it so I only went with the top of my head. Either way, Muhlenberg isn't poor or unstable related to its peers. They have just not devoted resources to improving their athletic department web presence.

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: November 18, 2014, 11:29:34 am »
Having low academic standards certainly expands the pool of kids you can recruit. But there are plenty of really poor academic schools that have really poor football teams. And schools like Johns Hopkins, Hobart, and others show that you can have top tier academics as well as competitive football programs.

At the very top, however, none of the Big 4 schools are top tier academic powerhouses. UMHB accepts almost 85% of applicants, Wesley accepts 63%, UWW 70%, and UMU 71%. But these aren't massive outliers. Shenandoah, for example, is at 85%, Guilford is at 68%, Methodist is at 61%, CNU is at 59%. All provided by U.S. News.

No, academic rigor has something to do with it, but it's not the difference maker. I'll stick with the coach, the staff, and the administration...




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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: November 18, 2014, 10:49:00 am »
I don't know how many of these guys are paid, or what they are paid, but if you look here Wesley lists 14 football coaches:

http://athletics.wesley.edu/sports/fball/coaches/index

Maybe some or most have jobs at the college, but the fact that only 5 lists Wesley College email addresses probably tells you not all are substantially paid.

However, you can compare that with W&L, by far the richest school in the ODAC, which feels the need to have 6 members of the football staff, all with W&L email addresses. http://generalssports.com/sports/fball/coaches/index

Or you can look at H-SC, the most successful recent member of the ODAC, which lists 10 members of the football staff, 9 with listed H-SC addresses. http://www.hscathletics.com/sports/fball/coaches/index

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: November 18, 2014, 10:45:13 am »
Add the trip if it improves programs/enrollments/academic profiles. It is not that much further than some of the trips already being made and it could be for football only, I guess. Plus it would eliminate having to play 3 OOC games as that seemingly is getting more and more difficult every year. I'm kinda of half way kidding but it is starting to make some sense, throw in CNU and have a 10 team football conference. All kidding aside, the odac is ok as it now stands and I'm certainly satisfied with it. Football games are mostly very competitive and no team/school dominates the league year over year. Certainly not since BC had their day.

I have no interest in adding another football school. I don't think it's that hard to get 3 OOC games, but W&L tends to have two standing dates with Centre and Sewanee. I don't think the ODAC would be keen to add CNU. It's a private school conference. I also don't think the ODAC really has interest in affiliates. Catholic was a necessity for the AQ and now having Catholic makes for a nice round robin. However, I'd think SVa is more likely than CNU.

As for Wesley, I just don't see any upside to adding them. If you want to play them, they've been looking for OOC games for years and still will be looking after entering the NJAC. Doesn't seem like the ODAC schools had any interest in the past, I doubt they'd have much going forward.

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: November 18, 2014, 10:35:39 am »
I've put this in other places, but I'll put it here as well. The power teams in D3 share two things in common, a ridiculously good coach and an administration that supports football to the hilt. For the coach that doesn't just mean X's and O's, it means recruiting players and, most importantly, ASSISTANTS.

Assistants are key to the staffs, and having good ones either stick around, or the ability to continually choose new good ones, is a skill that very few coaches possess. Think about it. The assistants do a huge amount of the recruiting. They do a massive amount of the day to day coaching as well. A good staff is as important as a good head coach. And the administration has to find the money and positions to pay for those assistants.

After that you start to hit secondary criteria. Modern facilities are huge. Reputation is huge.

But it starts at the top. It starts with an administration getting the right coach, backing the program by paying for recruiting and squeaking the marginal kids in, paying for good staff, and paying for good facilities. Of course you still need to catch lightning in the bottle with the coach...

Coach Drass is as good as they come. He's also Wesley's AD, which gives him a lot of pull in that school. Football, and athletics in general, is a point of focus in Wesley's business plan. That gives them a lot of strength to do what needs to be done to have the best possible program.

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: November 18, 2014, 10:23:03 am »
Jk

Maybe we should have gotten Wesley into the odac; perhaps that would have/could have improved odac football from top to bottom and helped the odac schools increase enrollment while improving overall academic profiles at the same time !!!

Wesley fits better into the ODAC than the NJAC. However, the ODAC doesn't need members for anything. Football is nicely set for a round robin and other sports are simply bursting at the seams. Especially some of the women's sports.

Besides, why add a trip? As it stands now, outside football, the longest trips are Shenandoah to Guilford (Catholic to Guilford in football is marginally farther). The ODAC is one of D3's most compact conferences.

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East Region football / Re: ECACs
« on: November 18, 2014, 10:04:29 am »
All the kids we speak to each week on ITH would take the extra game if they could get it. We shared our disappointment in SLU's policy against ECAC participation to their athletic dept. RPI is thrilled to have one more game and it'll be a tough one against FSU. Not sure exactly how the match ups are selected but Frank surmised it's not unlike NCAAs in that teams are ranked and paired accordingly. That would point to FSU being a 1 and RPI likely being the last team in with a 6-4 record.

I don't understand why you would do the match ups this way. It's not a tournament, it's a single game. The goal should be to match up even strength teams so the games are competitive. That benefits both teams. Ranking from the top down should set up non-competitive games for half the teams. Why bother?

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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: November 18, 2014, 09:41:44 am »
I'm not positive about this, but I don't think Wesley has the most stringent academic requirements, which would be one of the pieces to the puzzle.

Wesley's overall academic profile is not significantly different from the lower middle ODAC schools. Whether it is different for football players I don't know, but there are a lot of D3 schools that put a lot of weight on whether the check arrives on time. There isn't anything unusual about that.

While having lower admission standards can help, it's not really an answer. UMU's academic profile has steadily improved during their 20+ year run.

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