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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: March 29, 2017, 03:51:42 pm »

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General Division III issues / Re: Salem, Virginia
« on: March 22, 2017, 01:17:42 pm »
Wherever it is, it will always be far from somewhere. If you get closer to St. Louis, you get farther from Boston. If you go closer to Boston, you are farther from Belton. Short of putting it on campus for one of the participating institutions, there isn't a way to make it closer for the fans, teams and administrators. I think it's important to have community support, and Salem has a long record of doing that really well. You can make the case another city would do just as well. Maybe so, maybe no. That's the opportunity cost. That being said, I think Canton is too good an opportunity to pass up if the bid is good.

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General Division III issues / Re: Salem, Virginia
« on: March 21, 2017, 02:39:09 pm »
Interesting. As an ODAC guy I generally come down on Salem's side. However, if Canton put in a decent bid I don't know how you deny the student athletes the opportunity to have an event in conjunction or partnership with the HOF. Kind of like the year basketball was done in conjunction with the Final 4. It's just too good an opportunity.

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North Region football / Re: FB: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: March 21, 2017, 10:43:54 am »
I think the "trap" is assuming that all S-As that comes from Florida are awesome at football.  It's more a mismanagement of expectations than anything else, IMO.

Agreed. But if you ever get a chance, go see "The Muck Bowl" between Glades and Pahokee high schools in South FL around the big lake. These two public schools, in one of the most impoverished areas of the country, generally have 5 or 6 of the top 25 football recruits in FL. Before the game they announce seniors who have received scholarship offers. Seriously, in one year those 2 teams have more P5 and G5 scholarship offers than I saw in my entire 4 years of h.s. in all of my home conference. And when you watch the game, you'll know exactly why. Kind of a crazy place to go see a h.s. game, but since I was living less than 2 hours away at the time I couldn't resist going.

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South Region football / Re: FB: USA South Athletic Conference
« on: March 16, 2017, 04:34:59 pm »
Actually I'm pretty happy about the slate of ODAC/USASAC games this year. For once it doesn't necessarily seem like strength on weakness. Guilford/Huntingdon and E&H/Maryville are interesting. But so is Averett/HSC and Averett/RMC. I think Averett is on the way up, and those games back to back might provide some really interesting data about the state of the ODAC this year. N.C. Wes/Shenandoah could be good as well. The Ferrum and Methodist/Guilford game don't do much for me, but overall, this could be an interesting year for the ODAC/USASAC match ups. Mainly because Averett seems to be on the upswing.

Does anyone know when the last time the USAC beat the ODAC during the OOC slate?

Nope. Not that old.  ;D

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South Region football / Re: FB: USA South Athletic Conference
« on: March 16, 2017, 01:44:09 pm »
Actually I'm pretty happy about the slate of ODAC/USASAC games this year. For once it doesn't necessarily seem like strength on weakness. Guilford/Huntingdon and E&H/Maryville are interesting. But so is Averett/HSC and Averett/RMC. I think Averett is on the way up, and those games back to back might provide some really interesting data about the state of the ODAC this year. N.C. Wes/Shenandoah could be good as well. The Ferrum and Methodist/Guilford game don't do much for me, but overall, this could be an interesting year for the ODAC/USASAC match ups. Mainly because Averett seems to be on the upswing.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Southern Athletic Association
« on: March 09, 2017, 04:08:16 pm »
I thought of an interesting off season topic:  ranking the quality of SAA school's foobball facilities.  I do think Berry is at the top, with Valhalla.  I have been to a game at Centre, which has a nice little stadium, but I hate the absence of a visitors "side." I would assume Hendrix has nice facilities, but again I think only seating on one side of the filed, which is just not ideal.  I would be interested to read other's opinions.

Let's see. Sewanee is rooted in history and a lovely stone structure. Much improved since the turf got put down. I'm quite partial to BSC since I can park my motor home behind the end zone and look down into the field. However, the stands are tiny and all on one side. The band fills half the dang stands which is a problem at Homecoming. I haven't been to Centre in probably 20 years. I liked both my visits, but as noted it is one side only. Haven't been to Berry or Hendricks. Trinity is a wreck although they might have a new stadium on the board? Millsaps is nothing special. Those narrow stands on either side I find uncomfortable. Plus I always feel like those buildings are looming over me. I went to Rhodes a very long time ago, but quite frankly remember nothing about it.

Of the ones I've been to and remember, I'll give it to Sewanee. That old stone stadium is just so different from just about everywhere else in DIII. Now that the surface is actually playable, they are just missing a team. Maybe one of these days I'll get around to Berry. Can't imagine any reason I'll get out to Hendrix.

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South Region football / Re: FB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« on: March 09, 2017, 09:01:49 am »
198 to 13?  GC officials and fans should be very happy with the Greensboro College decision. That game helped neither program.
You're right.  Greensboro players didn't want to play it and it hurt Guilford in 2015 ... if we had played and even lost a game to a ranked team, I think the Quakers would have made the NCAA playoffs.  I don't know the exact years, but it was 52-0 one year, 77-13 another and 69-0 in the third.

Hasa -- I don't think a 2 loss Guilford team, 0-2 to RRO, would have made the tournament. But that's just a guess. No, Greensboro didn't help Guilford that year. In my opinion beating a RRO would have put Guilford in at 1-1 RRO, 9-1.

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South Region football / Re: FB: USA South Athletic Conference
« on: March 08, 2017, 02:28:15 pm »
Never thought JK was calling me out. He really could have done so after W&L put up 52 on my Tigers, but even then, he choose not to.

I was just clarifying. I'm not a big believer in the need for a college degree, any person can always "make it" in this world w/o one.

You must be the definition of a scholar and a gentleman, jk.

Don't give me that much credit. I did call out your defense a bit, but I also know what goes around comes around and my Generals are going to be pretty young this year...

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South Region football / Re: FB: USA South Athletic Conference
« on: March 08, 2017, 01:03:55 pm »
never said blue collar equates to low class, don even think I implied it. most of my family works blue collar jobs(not requiring a college degree) either in the construction world or at one of the local industrial plants; not college educated is my point, certainly not low class.

I don't think he was specifically calling you out, I think he meant society as a whole.

This. I hadn't seen it on the boards, it's just a prevailing societal thing that needs to change. Didn't mean to imply you had.

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South Region football / Re: FB: USA South Athletic Conference
« on: March 08, 2017, 12:07:13 pm »
Honestly, I think the most important thing we can do is stop equating Blue Collar with Low Class. I like the story about the guy being a house painter, but what a waste of money his degree was! I get at 17 or 18 we don't know what we want to be. That's not going to change. So you can't lock someone in. But that has to hurt!

I like to build furniture in my spare time. Our house is slowly being dotted with my own hobby, which fortunately my wife supports since our style is simple and chunky. I've also done a few custom pieces for friends here and there on commission. Could I have been happy being a finish carpenter? Hard to tell, but at 17 I wouldn't have even considered it. Nor would my parents have encouraged it.

That's the best thing about college. It gives you a few more years to make those decisions. And those are years most of us need. But the cost of those few more years sure is getting ridiculous.

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South Region football / Re: FB: USA South Athletic Conference
« on: March 07, 2017, 11:00:52 am »
We live in a world where all 10th graders are "#D1Bound". If anything other than D1 seems to be beneath them, wouldn't being an HVAC technician be, too?

Well yeah. But I'm not even thinking about football, I'm thinking school retention in general. Someone has to be a carpenter and a plumber and an hvac guy. We live in a service economy. The fewer people want to pursue those services, the more demand and higher prices they will command. Is it better to be working at Starbucks with a degree in sociology from Fog a Mirror U, or be a finish carpenter with a completed apprenticeship and a list of contractors that need help? I know the general answer is a college degree is preferable, but I'm not sure that is always the case anymore. If one of my kids doesn't want to go to college, he or she will have the choice to learn a trade. H.S. can't be the end of your education, but I'm no longer positive that an undergraduate degree is always the best way forward. Especially at schools that retain only 50% of their enrolled kids, and have admittance rates of 70%+.

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South Region football / Re: FB: USA South Athletic Conference
« on: March 06, 2017, 03:22:34 pm »
Geez those numbers are staggering. I think I was a little too sheltered at W&L. I can't imagine the pressure these schools are under to find even marginally qualified students to fill these classes knowing 40-50% of them aren't coming back the next year. I know we've convinced everyone to go to college, but at some point we have to realize that a good carpenter or plumber has better job prospects than a sociology degree from Fog a Mirror U.

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South Region football / Re: FB: USA South Athletic Conference
« on: March 06, 2017, 01:39:34 pm »
I would agree with your points. Better days may lay ahead for Greensboro.

I'd like to know what impact having 20+ "one and done" kids have on some football programs in our region.
According to MC's athletics website, there were 133 football participants in 2016 with an operating expense (team travel, lodging, and meals; uniforms and equipment; and officials) of $111,200 ($836 per participant). This figure does not include salaries for the head coach, 6 full time assistants, and 2 part time assistants.

Revenue for the football team was $775,849. No idea if salaries have been subtracted from this number.

Quite frankly a "one and done" is a net positive for a small liberal arts school. Those schools have their highest revenue, per student, based on first years. First years live on campus and are required to purchase the food plan. They generally sit in the largest and most basic classes, which means they are in the cheapest class per student to teach. Finally, they tend to purchase the most amount of stuff at the campus store. Mainly because they start with very little and need to do things like decorate and wear t-shirts, etc.

First years tend to be high revenue, and that tends to decrease as students get older, move off campus, drop meal plans, and take smaller, higher level classes. So then it's just a matter of how much monetary support from the school the "one and dones" are getting. Regardless, reputation wise it's not good to have a ton of transfers, revenue wise there is some benefit to the concept.

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South Region football / Re: FB: USA South Athletic Conference
« on: March 06, 2017, 12:51:37 pm »
Marantha was in a different position. No conference and an inability to actually get enough players on campus is different than an inability to get competitive players on campus. Frankly, I'm guessing Greensboro needs those players paying tuition, as many as they can get. Marantha probably did too, but they gave up on actually being able to get them. Plus the costs of not being in a conference were burdensome for Marantha.

No, I'd say Greensboro considers having a football team a net positive, even if they struggle to win more than a game a year. If they stop bringing 100 to camp, and start having 40 or so on the roster, it may change quickly. But barring that, the benefits of having the team outweighs the inability of the team to win a game.

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