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Mid-East Region / Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: May 05, 2015, 06:43:40 pm »
Well Dr. We play Wooster at 10 am Thursday.  Your point about the west is accurate.  Thats why I would like to see round robin in the NCAC. But that wont happen. I understand the difficulty of making that happen.

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Mid-East Region / Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: May 05, 2015, 06:41:03 pm »
Wally you are right their is. I believe it is at that .500 level. Ohio Wesleyan has beat every regionally ranked team that they played except ONU. They did split with some of those teams, BW and Marietta, the losses were early in the season. They beat Berg pretty badly in a weekday game.
We have also beat some teams ranked regionally in other regions, St. John Fisher and Brockport. Both from NY. Even if we were ranked I am not sure it would be high enough to get a pool c.
We will see how the tournament goes. we will have to try and get in through a Pool A. As they say. Win your conference.

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National topics / Re: NCAA D-III World Series 2015
« on: May 05, 2015, 04:19:55 pm »
That's why I like the Women's CWS D-I bracket that crosses losers over to the other bracket. Provides a chance for two teams placed in the same group of four to still meet in the final series.
Just Bill I really like that idea.

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And if that's the case I cannot understand why he would get admin leave, especially since it is unsubstantiated, or as the school put it need more info. It does not look like any one was in any physical danger.

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West Region / Re: BB: SCAC: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
« on: May 05, 2015, 03:56:15 pm »
So what will Trinity do between now and when regional's start? Practice, inter-squad games is my guess. They have already played 45 games so even if they could find someone willing to play they don't have any additional games.

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Mid-East Region / Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: May 05, 2015, 03:11:46 pm »
I still don't understand the lack of love for Ohio Wesleyan in the regional ranking. Only thing I can think of is SOS. Some of the teams scheduled in Florida who are usually pretty strong have tanked. Although St John Fisher and Brockport are regionally ranked now. Ohio Wesleyan has wins over both. As per the D3baseball site here are the criteria for Pool B and C.

http://www.d3baseball.com/interactive/faq/ncaaTournament

Take a look at point 5

The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against Division III opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
    - Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
    - Opponents’ Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/ selection process.
• Conference postseason contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional and reclassifying members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.

If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision, the secondary criteria will be reviewed. All the criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order). The secondary criteria introduce results against out-of-region Division III and all other opponents including those contests versus opponents from other classifications (i.e., provisionals, NAIA, NCAA Divisions I and II).
• Out-of-region head-to-head competition.
• Overall Division III win-loss percentage.
• Results versus common non Division III opponents.
• Results versus all Division III ranked teams.
• Overall win-loss percentage.
• Results versus all common opponents.
• Overall DIII Strength of Schedule.
Additionally, input is provided by regional advisory committees for consideration by the men’s baseball committee. In order to be considered for selection for Pools B or C, an institution must play at least 50 percent of its competition against Division III in-region opponents. Coaches’ polls and/or any other outside polls or rankings are not used as a selection criterion by the men’s baseball committee for selection purposes.

The one that gets me is the one in bold above. It must be too low on the totem pole to make up for strength of schedule. Ohio Wesleyan has beat many of the mideast regionally ranked teams. BW, Berg, Marietta. (Split with BW and Marietta). We did lose to ONU. We also beat NY regional ranked teams, SJF, and Brockport. Denison, Depauw and Witt being down must have really hurt us.


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South Region / Re: BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference
« on: May 05, 2015, 03:01:58 pm »
I understand your frustration. My sons team is in a similar situation. Win % vs teams with a winning % is not one of the criteria.

http://www.d3baseball.com/interactive/faq/ncaaTournament

Take a look at point 5

The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against Division III opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
    - Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
    - Opponents’ Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/ selection process.
• Conference postseason contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional and reclassifying members shall remain ineligible for rankings and selection.

If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision, the secondary criteria will be reviewed. All the criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order). The secondary criteria introduce results against out-of-region Division III and all other opponents including those contests versus opponents from other classifications (i.e., provisionals, NAIA, NCAA Divisions I and II).
• Out-of-region head-to-head competition.
• Overall Division III win-loss percentage.
• Results versus common non Division III opponents.
• Results versus all Division III ranked teams.
• Overall win-loss percentage.
• Results versus all common opponents.
• Overall DIII Strength of Schedule.
Additionally, input is provided by regional advisory committees for consideration by the men’s baseball committee. In order to be considered for selection for Pools B or C, an institution must play at least 50 percent of its competition against Division III in-region opponents. Coaches’ polls and/or any other outside polls or rankings are not used as a selection criterion by the men’s baseball committee for selection purposes.

The one that gets me is the one in bold above. It must be too low on the totem pole to make up for strength of schedule.

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+1 ShineTime

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Central Region / Re: BB: MWC: Midwest Conference
« on: May 05, 2015, 02:49:52 pm »
I certainly hope that the allegations do not come from a disgruntled player or parent.

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West Region / Re: BB: Top Teams in West Region
« on: May 05, 2015, 01:32:16 pm »
Also take int consideration that the following teams also grabbed pool A bids and they are not ranked in their regions.

Methodist, Shenandoah, and Suffolk.

That means the top regionally ranked teams from those regions are in Pool C consideration.


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West Region / Re: BB: NWC: Northwest Conference
« on: May 04, 2015, 09:31:04 pm »
I hadn't heard of this until now, so if I missed this I apologize.  I skimmed the coaching carousel on d3baseball.com as well and did not see it. Whitworth posted the head coaching position.
http://abca.org/jobs/college_head_coaches

Edit to add this:
http://www.whitworthpirates.com/sports/bsb/2014-15/releases/20150421aowghw

I found this on Whitworths website. So this is old news.

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No problem, hope I helped. No offense to Cal Lu, or do I think OWU would deserve it, but I believe that with the penny pinching we can expect from the NCAA that OWU has just as good of a chance being sent to UT. They are 500 miles closer to UT than CLU. ;)

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Cal Lutheran has to be in the running. They have 32 wins and forced a final game in the conference tournament.  Given the losses of PLU and Linfield they have a pretty good story. Trinity's win helped as well. If Centennary had beaten Trinity, then Trinity would have been a top candidate for one of the C spots. The ASC tournament is this weekend. If UTT and CTX make it to the finals then the losere is likely to get one of the at large bids. All things being considered equal, the cost of travel will be a deciding factor. UTT is the host school and CTX is a 5 hour buss drive away.

Currently only 5 teams have more wins, so that is a plus.

Last year, 2 teams shipped into the West.  If national rankings were important, then West with 6 of the top 25, would reflect the overall strength of the West region.

Question:  when determining Pool C candidates, I keep hearing that only Regional rankings are important.

But what criteria is used to decide if "top" regional Pool C candidate should stay in region or should ship to another region... bumping a lower Regional ranking team out of their region.   What decides if #3 West is better Pool C candidate than #3 Wisconsin or SE or NE?

IE... last year Chapman had 30 wins and was Regionally ranked, but they stayed home and teams from other regions were put in the West.


I am not completely sure that I am correct on this, but from what I have heard discussed, is that the National Committee  take the final secret rankings, decided by the Regional Committee, and make any corrections where they feel the regional committees may have made a mistake. The top team, who did not get a pool A bid, are up against the top teams from other regional rankings. They compare the teams based on the primary criteria. See bullet point 5.

http://www.d3baseball.com/interactive/faq/ncaaTournament

As teams are selected the they are removed from the board and the teams below them in the region are moved up and the comparison starts again. So in the second round a number 2 ranked team is compared to the others left from the first round. And so on and so forth until all bids are selected.

Where teams are shipped has a lot to do with the 500 mile radius. If a team is over 500 miles from the site where they will compete in a regional, the NCAA will fly them to the location. Otherwise the NCAA will pay for a bus trip. Where teams are sent is largely based on saving money and not competition. The NCAA will do their best to keep the number of flights down. With the West regional in Tyler, that may not bode well for NWC teams. For Cal Lu that is 1500 Miles, and even farther for the NWC teams. 

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Mid-East Region / Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: May 04, 2015, 11:20:32 am »
Here's the bracket for the NCAC tourney. Note: if in game 6 the undefeated team loses there will be a 7th and final team. This is due to the double elimination format.

http://www.northcoast.org/sports/bsb/Tournament/Files/2015_Bracket.pdf

For all going to the games on Thursday, safe travels.

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Mid-East Region / Re: BB: NCAC: North Coast Athletic Conference
« on: May 03, 2015, 07:12:54 pm »
I think I get it now. It is stupid but I get it. They do not re-seed. The cross over games are like a bracket, even though they are not part of the tournament. The Tournament pairings are decided, when the Cross over pairings are decided. When we were the two seed in the west, no matter what happened we would be facing the winner of the 1-4, east/west winner.

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