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Midwest Region / Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: May 07, 2018, 07:34:50 pm »
And Oshkosh takes two from Point.

Assuming Oshkosh wins all four against IIT, that makes the Whitewater/Lacrosse series much more interesting. AQ or not, no team is saying that winning the conference doesn't matter to them.


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Midwest Region / Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: April 26, 2018, 12:57:34 pm »
Quote from: cubs on April 26, 2018, 12:42:48 pm
Here you go....

https://mobile.twitter.com/UwwBarstool/status/989344360562089985

Thanks! I had seen it on a personal FB page.

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Midwest Region / Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: April 26, 2018, 12:30:39 pm »
Quote from: Just Bill on April 26, 2018, 12:05:11 pm
Quote from: Baseball Geek on April 26, 2018, 10:25:54 am
Was anyone at the UWW-UWO games yesterday? I have heard about how game two concluded and the video is circulating on social media. Would be interested in first-hand perspective.

Oh don't leave it hanging. Share a link!

It appears it may have been pulled down. If I find it again I will share it.

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Midwest Region / Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: April 26, 2018, 10:25:54 am »
Was anyone at the UWW-UWO games yesterday? I have heard about how game two concluded and the video is circulating on social media. Would be interested in first-hand perspective.

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Midwest Region / Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: April 26, 2018, 10:24:52 am »
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 26, 2018, 09:48:43 am
Quote from: BigSpotScott on April 25, 2018, 11:05:09 pm
Quote from: bleedpurple on April 08, 2018, 12:32:46 am
Quote from: TitanDoubles on April 07, 2018, 11:23:59 pm
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 07, 2018, 07:25:24 pm
We haven't kept it a secret and have been doing it long enough that at the least the conference commissioner should know about it.  I don't know the rules that well but I'm doubting your understanding.  We simply purchased advertising from Fox Sports.  I suspect Oshkosh could do the same.

WARHAWKS take two ten run rule shortened games with Stout 14-4, 11-1 today.  Bryden goes 4x5 with 4 RBIs and Jones gets 8Ks and the win in game one.  Rentz allows 4 hits and strikes out 6 while Sontoro gets 3 hits and a pair of RBI in game two.   

A balmy 33 was the best it got today.  Two more tomorrow.
It’s a violation. You can’t recruit athletes via advertisements on TV. If you could I guarantee you would see every D1 school doing it. Especially something like UW-Milwaukee basketball.
I'd be interested in knowing how you are going to stand behind your guarantee. Or are those empty words? It is absolutely not a violation. Is UW-W ahead of the curve on this? Yes. As usual. There are restrictions on current student athletes' roles in advertisements. That's why former athletes are participating. it would be great if you would produce the rule being violated or admit you are wrong. I predict you will do neither.

I ran across this thread and found this very interesting. What raised my suspicion is that in the hundreds of ads I’ve seen for colleges on ESPN, BTN, etc. during college sports games, not once have I seen highlights of sports and/or mention of national championships and athletics. When athletes are featured, they talk about academics. The ads are truly to get people to go to the colleges as students, not student-athletes.

That brought me to this website:
https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/bylawView?id=103405#result
Specifically, 13.4.2.1
“The publication of advertising or promotional material, by or on behalf of a member institution, designed to solicit the enrollment of a prospective student-athlete is not permitted.”

Now, for those of you who attended UWW, “permitted” is another word for “allowed”. So unless you truly believe that UWW showing highlight after highlight, and having former players and current coaches talk about winning national championships is somehow NOT targeted at prospective student-athletes, then I guess UWW is in the clear. However, I think people who don’t “bleed purple” would find this highly suspicious if not illegal.


For those of you who haven't attended UW-W KMA is another way to say kiss my ass.

 ;D

And since obviously the governing bodies have no issue with the practice, one has to wonder why other WIAC programs aren't sharing their many accomplishments and storied histories through advertising, as well ...

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Midwest Region / Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: April 19, 2018, 01:09:00 pm »
Quote from: Jim Dixon on April 19, 2018, 10:35:14 am
It is indeed easier to fnd a player these days but one thing that helps keep any player in state is that it is easier for parents and friends to see the games if the player stays local.  I suspect this helps keep players in state.
That's a great point.

And as much as showcases and online profiles/videos help in the process, they are only one part of the equation. Recruiters still want to see the players in actual game situations, knowing that a showcase beast isn't always the best all around player or teammate. Trips to games are still very important, and the northern climate is just not always recruiter-friendly for baseball.

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Midwest Region / Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: April 13, 2018, 04:17:01 pm »
Quote from: cubs on April 13, 2018, 03:40:05 pm
Quote from: Baseball Geek on April 13, 2018, 03:27:59 pm
Quote from: cubs on April 13, 2018, 03:05:35 pm
Quote from: Baseball Geek on April 13, 2018, 02:50:29 pm
Quote from: cubs on April 13, 2018, 01:41:08 pm
All games scheduled for this weekend have been postponed and rescheduled for the weekend of May 11th and 12th, which was when the WIAC Tournament was scheduled to be played.

Thanks to the wonderful weather this year AND since there isn't a Pool A bid attached to the WIAC Tournament this year, the WIAC has decided to cancel the tournament for this year.

http://www.wiacsports.com/news/2018/4/13/wiac-announces-cancellation-of-baseball-postseason-tournament.aspx

WOW. The last two weekend series will be UWO at UWLC, UWSP at UWW and UWW at UWLC (assuming winter weather ever ends). We all knew losing the AQ this year was going to have an impact...we just didn't realize to what degree.
I have been of the opinion that the losing the AQ would have little to no impact in most seasons... 

Why?  I figured that in most years where the WIAC champion goes 17-3/18-2/18-6/19-4/21-2 like the past five regular season champions have gone, the Pool A bid would just be replaced by the Pool B spot. 

With no WIAC Tournament now this year, that is two less losses three of the four tournament qualifiers will finish with which should also help in terms of their Pool C resume, although they may lose the chance to improve their SOS.

I do think losing the chance to improve SOS may be a problem, and a smaller body of work overall. If the conference standings remain the same, the top four teams' current records are 15-4, 15-3, 13-6, 14-4. There will be additional losses for some, of not all.
I used the WIAC record above, not overall....

Anyway, I still don't think the loss of a Pool A  will have a huge impact except possibly when it comes to earning multiple bids.  I think the WIAC Champion is going to get in the majority of the time regardless of not having a Pool A bid attached to the Conference Tournament champion.

Could I be wrong?  Sure, so it will be interesting to follow as the season goes on.

It sure will be interesting to follow. Once again it appears so much will be decided at the end of the season.

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Midwest Region / Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: April 13, 2018, 03:27:59 pm »
Quote from: cubs on April 13, 2018, 03:05:35 pm
Quote from: Baseball Geek on April 13, 2018, 02:50:29 pm
Quote from: cubs on April 13, 2018, 01:41:08 pm
All games scheduled for this weekend have been postponed and rescheduled for the weekend of May 11th and 12th, which was when the WIAC Tournament was scheduled to be played.

Thanks to the wonderful weather this year AND since there isn't a Pool A bid attached to the WIAC Tournament this year, the WIAC has decided to cancel the tournament for this year.

http://www.wiacsports.com/news/2018/4/13/wiac-announces-cancellation-of-baseball-postseason-tournament.aspx

WOW. The last two weekend series will be UWO at UWLC, UWSP at UWW and UWW at UWLC (assuming winter weather ever ends). We all knew losing the AQ this year was going to have an impact...we just didn't realize to what degree.
I have been of the opinion that the losing the AQ would have little to no impact in most seasons... 

Why?  I figured that in most years where the WIAC champion goes 17-3/18-2/18-6/19-4/21-2 like the past five regular season champions have gone, the Pool A bid would just be replaced by the Pool B spot. 

With no WIAC Tournament now this year, that is two less losses three of the four tournament qualifiers will finish with which should also help in terms of their Pool C resume, although they may lose the chance to improve their SOS.

I do think losing the chance to improve SOS may be a problem, and a smaller body of work overall. If the conference standings remain the same, the top four teams' current records are 15-4, 15-3, 13-6, 14-4. There will be additional losses for some, of not all.


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Midwest Region / Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: April 13, 2018, 02:50:29 pm »
Quote from: cubs on April 13, 2018, 01:41:08 pm
All games scheduled for this weekend have been postponed and rescheduled for the weekend of May 11th and 12th, which was when the WIAC Tournament was scheduled to be played.

Thanks to the wonderful weather this year AND since there isn't a Pool A bid attached to the WIAC Tournament this year, the WIAC has decided to cancel the tournament for this year.

http://www.wiacsports.com/news/2018/4/13/wiac-announces-cancellation-of-baseball-postseason-tournament.aspx

WOW. The last two weekend series will be UWO at UWLC, UWSP at UWW and UWW at UWLC (assuming winter weather ever ends). We all knew losing the AQ this year was going to have an impact...we just didn't realize to what degree.



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Midwest Region / Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: April 12, 2018, 08:46:14 am »
I had to leave after game one of the UWO/UWW matchup on Wednesday. They clearly were pitching around Bryden, which isn't a big surprise. He did go 0-6 for the day with two BBs, but he's a smart and talented player and I suspect he'll adapt to hitting/fouling off bad pitches and develop a little more patience. Give UWO credit for a successful strategy.

To me, there was very little energy from the Warhawks, which was the exact opposite of the Titans. We know this is an intense rivalry, but my impression was the Warhawks appeared a little flat-footed. The combination of costly errors and absence of hitting (or timely hitting) made a big difference in game two, and game one was no walk in the park. I was surprised to see Kaska in relief in game one after throwing on Sunday and a probable for this weekend. The pitching depth seems to be a bit of a concern. I'm curious to hear BADGERWARHAWK's take.

With the wintry forecast for LAX this weekend, I'm wondering if that series will somehow be pushed.




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Midwest Region / Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: April 08, 2018, 11:51:14 am »
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 08, 2018, 11:01:08 am
Quote from: TitanDoubles on April 07, 2018, 11:23:59 pm
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 07, 2018, 07:25:24 pm
We haven't kept it a secret and have been doing it long enough that at the least the conference commissioner should know about it.  I don't know the rules that well but I'm doubting your understanding.  We simply purchased advertising from Fox Sports.  I suspect Oshkosh could do the same.

WARHAWKS take two ten run rule shortened games with Stout 14-4, 11-1 today.  Bryden goes 4x5 with 4 RBIs and Jones gets 8Ks and the win in game one.  Rentz allows 4 hits and strikes out 6 while Sontoro gets 3 hits and a pair of RBI in game two.   

A balmy 33 was the best it got today.  Two more tomorrow.


It’s a violation. You can’t recruit athletes via advertisements on TV. If you could I guarantee you would see every D1 school doing it. Especially something like UW-Milwaukee basketball.


Ok, you keep insisting and we'll keep doing.  We aren't that stupid, ok.  If it were a blatant violation we wouldn't have done it in the first place let alone continue with it.  We didn't just launch the campaign without clarifying what we are allowed and not allowed to do.  Our athletic department administrators are a whole lot more together than that.

EXACTLY. These TV spots (which I also believe are produced by the UWW Mass Communications students) have been airing for at least two years. The campaign was also broadly announced through the Website and social media. Of course, this would not be the case if anything was not properly vetted or questionable. I also see it as meant to recruit students in general, many of whom enjoy the winning environment, whether or not they are potential student athletes.

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Midwest Region / Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: April 05, 2018, 09:00:19 pm »
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 05, 2018, 08:40:41 pm
Quote from: Baseball Geek on April 05, 2018, 04:27:04 pm
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 05, 2018, 03:25:20 pm
The WARHAWKS got home runs from Aldridge (2), Stontoro, Szubert, Bryden and Wary and easily defeated Illinois Tech 14-4 in eight innings.  Kaska got the win allowing a single hit with a walk and six strikeouts in five innings.  After a pair of relievers Renz struck out the side to finish the game.

No live stats or social media updates apparently for Game Two, so we don't know who is pitching for the Warhawks. But we are hearing that Bryden had another leadoff homer.


WARHAWKS take game two 10-3.  No other details were available on either team's website.

Heilenbach started and I presume got the win. O'Sullivan, Muir, and Gruetzmacher threw in relief. In addition to Bryden’s leadoff homer, Santoro and Cho homered, as well. Apparently there was snow falling during game two (and not flurries). I’m afraid I don’t have more solid specifics.

The Stout series in Whitewater this weekend doesn’t look much better weather wise.

 

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Midwest Region / Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: April 05, 2018, 04:27:04 pm »
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on April 05, 2018, 03:25:20 pm
The WARHAWKS got home runs from Aldridge (2), Stontoro, Szubert, Bryden and Wary and easily defeated Illinois Tech 14-4 in eight innings.  Kaska got the win allowing a single hit with a walk and six strikeouts in five innings.  After a pair of relievers Renz struck out the side to finish the game.

No live stats or social media updates apparently for Game Two, so we don't know who is pitching for the Warhawks. But we are hearing that Bryden had another leadoff homer.

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Midwest Region / Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: March 31, 2018, 08:32:22 am »
Warhawks sweep Ripon while Bryden hits for the cycle again in game one. It looked like he may do it for the third time in game two, but he “only” went 4-5.

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Midwest Region / Re: BB: WIAC: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: March 27, 2018, 05:45:33 pm »
Although the box score is not available yet, the Warhawks were shut out by St. Thomas today and close out 6-2 for the trip. Next up is Ripon on what is predicted to be a very chilly and damp Saturday in Whitewater.

http://www.tommiesports.com/sports/bsb/2017-18/releases/20180327p55gu1

UPDATE: the Warhawks home opener has been moved up to Friday, March 30. A DH against Ripon at 3pm.


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