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I know of 2 specific cases.

One recruit has a direct tacit promise of admission in the ED process and has accepted the offer.. He is presumably one of their 14 Tips. This is usual and pretty customary. He has accepted and will apply ED.....he's in.
This is the closest anyone gets to a guarantee of admission in the NESCAC and is the only scenario that represents a legitimate offer.

Another local kid has one of these offers of promise of strong support form the coaching staff in the admissions process. They promise to push hard directly for him in the academic process and he should have a good chance of getting in. The rub of it all he doesn't know he is one of 120+ recruits to whom they have made this offer.

I estimate  there are 25 football spots in the class of 2025. 14 of those will go to chosen Tips which will receive a real offer.

That leaves maybe 10-12 openings for 110+ who believe they have an offer from the Bowdoin coaching staff.

Misleading to the recruits and families.

Don't believe the coaching staff can effectively and sincerely support 100+ recruits for 12 openings in a very intense admissions process with a very tough, though softening, Bowdoin Admission Dept.

I believe Hammer will instead choose the top 15-20 candidates in this remaining pool of 100+  and strongly advocate for a small group for the remaining open slots. Most of those kids have no chance.

Got it.  But it isn't like 120 kids are tweeting out that they are getting into Bowdoin.  Just that you have info that 120 or so kids were told the coaches are pushing the admissions office for them and (one of the kids) was told he had a good chance of getting in.

Where do you get the 120 from though?  I don't have a huge issue with a coach telling kids where he thinks they stand in terms of admissions.  As long as he is honest with them and I don't even think 100 kids are an issue.  I'm assuming a few hundred kids want to play football at Bowdoin but won't go for some reason (got a d1 offer, couldn't get in, chose Amherst, got better financial aid somewhere else)

I would assume after the ED that those 120 guys are out of the coaches hand anyway?  Or that he knows what each kid is going to need to get in? 

I mean the bottom line is whether or not he is lying or misleading kids.  I guess that is what I was asking.  Recruiting 250 kids isn't an issue as long as he is honest with them.  Even he knows they are only going to admit 200 boys anyway right?

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Not all about Football in the NESCAC. The implication of admission to Bowdoin, the institution, represents a very lucrative offer to any student athlete who has any academic aspirations whatsoever.
Bowdoin is among the top 5 or 6 Liberal Arts schools in the country. The majority of these kids will put academics first but still will relish the opportunity to be a part of a rebuilding process in the Football program.

Can I ask what the underlying issue is?  Is Hammer lying to kids?  Are kids promised something they might not have (early admission, promise that if they get a better SAT score they get admitted, etc?) 

I don't care what HS football power state you are from, like the IVY's, a Nescac school is able to recruit anywhere (Georgia, California, Texas, Ohio) so those "connections" shouldn't matter that much.  We know that unlike the Ivys, the NESCAC still gets most of their football rosters from New England prep/private schools.

So what is Hammer doing that is wrong?  Or is it unethical?  Or has Bowdoin dropping standards?  I'm confused.

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I've heard from several Ivy coaches/players that it does not look good for spring ball for them. 

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East Region football / Re: FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference
« on: September 29, 2020, 08:20:38 am »
You aren't going to get much looking at a highlight tape, but his feet look a little slow.  Also a little high. 

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: July 25, 2020, 08:41:22 am »
TOP stats are gonna be way off this year. 

Just sayin'

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Big article on where football stands for the MIAC this year.

https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-s-small-colleges-cite-astronomical-costs-of-ncaa-s-covid-19-recommendations/571811142/

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Per the NCAAís guidelines, which arenít requirements, student-athletes in high-contact risk sports such as football, soccer and volleyball will need COVID-19 testing within 72 hours of every game. The cost of that, as St. Johnís football coach Gary Fasching put it, is ďastronomical.Ē

ďItís incredible costs that I donít know that we could absorb at this time,Ē Fasching said.

Across the NCAA, several conferences, including the Division I Ivy League and Patriot League, have already canceled fall sports. In Minnesota, D-III Carleton College has canceled fall sports, but the rest of the MIAC has yet to do more than cancel nonconference games for the fall.

The cost of testing could become a tipping point. Brooks estimated for just his D-III fall sports high-risk teams ó menís and womenís soccer, football and volleyball ó testing would cost more than $300,000.

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ďThatís not Mankatoís plan; thatís what this [NCAA] document is saying you should do,Ē Buisman said. ďAnd again the operative word is Ďshould.í Theyíre not saying required, theyíre saying based on the NCAAís medical team, this is what we should do.Ē

At St. Johnís, Fasching expects what could be his biggest-ever roster of 220 players arriving on campus Aug. 22. Testing for each of the seven remaining games on the D-III Johnniesí schedule could cost $154,000.

There is this underlying issue of student athletes putting down deposits, sitting out a semester, paying or not paying tuition for that semester, allowed to stay another year, etc, etc.

If SJU has 200 football players and the cost of everything at SJU is 55K a year, that's 10 million dollars or so coming into the school (or not coming into the school based on the above).  Even if that number is 5 million, are colleges taking this into account, especially with athletes who may or not pay this fall based on whether or not a sport is being played?

I could be way off on these figures, and maybe colleges don't even look at it that way, but from a few of my friends who are sending kids away for their freshman year, I get the impression that they want ALL freshman on campus as soon as possible, and that the reason behind this is to "lock" these kids into the school asap. 

But I also get that SJU is not like other MIAC members, and if they don't have anyone to play in a season that might not count, maybe you have to look at folding your cards for the season. 

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: July 16, 2020, 02:52:37 pm »
- how much longer can the NCAA have a season of teams keep dropping out.  Seems like 32 playoff teams is still very viable even if up to a certain % of d3 teams drop out, but at what number do we have to think about just canceling the whole thing?

I believe we are now under the threshold for 32 teams if the NCAA continues to use a 6.5:1 access ratio for postseason slots.

Yea I imagine they will adjust that down as needed.  Wonít be as many East teams apparently and the pool a should get thrown out the window.  I was kinda joking about home and home in a previous post but it might make more sense now.  The E8 making that decision really throws a wrench into things though, and Iím trying to figure out the thought process from what the Nescac/LL does compared to the E8 in terms of simply letting schools decide on their own.  Doesnít make sense to me to do that at the d3 level where shared money isnít an issue.

Crazy that the East region has had so many teams bail, even though our "Virus Peak" was months ago.  NY/MA/PA have been doing very well regarding number of new cases per 100,000

Yes. And they don't want that to change. The South and Midwest had real low numbers in May and early June as well....  oops....

But, they never saw the peaks that we had here in PA/NY

After listening to the ITH podcast with Coach Catanzaro, he addresses some things that might put the issue into perspective.  It is going to cost teams money to test every week, and he mentioned a 7K a week for just football.  Because of Title 9 issues, if you have football, you have everyone else, and that is more money.  Through in the possibility that you might not be able to test if you are in an area that may see a spike and tests aren't going to be used on healthy football players twice a week, then you might run into more issues. 

Again, still early on this but there were some good insights from Coach C. on that ITH show from last night.

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: July 16, 2020, 02:49:28 pm »
The MAC is conference-only this fall. That's the big issue is that most of the conferences which have not called things off have said they are only playing conference games.

Ah forgot about that in this context.  I assume it means they will still go to the NCAA playoffs.

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: July 16, 2020, 02:23:00 pm »
I think finding opponents wonít be impossible if it stays the way it is now (it probably wonít), but the cost of testing and overnight trips might be an issue for some schools budgets.  Ithaca is more than a day bus trip to pretty much every East school except for a few at this point.  Springfield was an overnight trip when I was at IC and so was Buffalo state and St. Lawrence.  Wilkes is probably a day trip and so is Lycoming Iím assuming if they are looking around. 

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: July 16, 2020, 02:04:43 pm »
- how much longer can the NCAA have a season of teams keep dropping out.  Seems like 32 playoff teams is still very viable even if up to a certain % of d3 teams drop out, but at what number do we have to think about just canceling the whole thing?

I believe we are now under the threshold for 32 teams if the NCAA continues to use a 6.5:1 access ratio for postseason slots.

Yea I imagine they will adjust that down as needed.  Wonít be as many East teams apparently and the pool a should get thrown out the window.  I was kinda joking about home and home in a previous post but it might make more sense now.  The E8 making that decision really throws a wrench into things though, and Iím trying to figure out the thought process from what the Nescac/LL does compared to the E8 in terms of simply letting schools decide on their own.  Doesnít make sense to me to do that at the d3 level where shared money isnít an issue.

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: July 16, 2020, 12:06:17 pm »
ITH just had a real good podcast last night about the current situation.  Very informative and the best part may have been a Q&A with Lake Forest head coach Jim Catanzaro.  A few things that I learned:

-It seems like the Ncaa has offered little guidance to schools and leagues on what they should do regarding testing, scheduling, spring seasons, etc.  It seems like they may be focusing on the SEC more than d3 and that of course leaves us all hanging.

-good discussion on how schools test, costs of testing and how that affects each school.  Some colleges simply may not be able to afford the tests, and may not even be able to get them if they are in an area that gets hit hard and might need the tests for others.  Also saving costs on some cancelled overnight trips and other games can go to testing funds if needed or possible.

-talk about the helmet/mask discussion and the headway companies like Oakley are making with some new technology that may protect the spread (or what we think may stop the spread) of Covid.

-talk about only league games in the spring but how having 10 games in the spring and 10 games in the fall isnít gonna be safe and most coaches are going to be against it.

-will teams from leagues that have shut down be allowed to get some non league action? (Hamilton, Springfield, Colby). How will that work?

-running into title 9 issues in terms of schedules and conferences.

- how much longer can the NCAA have a season of teams keep dropping out.  Seems like 32 playoff teams is still very viable even if up to a certain % of d3 teams drop out, but at what number do we have to think about just canceling the whole thing? 

- one of the common themes I think is going on at all levels of this virus (including HS sports) is that I get this sense that fall sports at many places are just going ahead as planned until they are told other wise, and that decision may be made by a school president, governor, league president, ncaa official, etc.  Lake Forest is playing d3 football and they are doing the same things that have always done, and thatís a good sign. 

JB has a great quote/thought on there and thatís simply being optimistic is the best way to go about this whole thing.  So Iíll leave my post with an optimistic outlook too and say there will be d3 football played in the fall this year. 

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: July 13, 2020, 12:38:06 pm »
I think these LL "president" meetings had some sort of agreement that schools basically need to make decisions on what is best for each school.  The NCAA is going to have to make a decision at some point, but I don't see them changing the playoffs to the spring no matter what.  It will be fall or cancel.  In the end each school is unique and they need to make decisions based on that.

Also noticed Hobart has some coaching openings, including possibly the DC? 

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East Region football / Re: FB: New Jersey Athletic Conference
« on: July 09, 2020, 01:11:21 pm »
Del State is FCS and there is no transition year for a player transitioning from FCS to D2 or D3.

Maybe I am mis-speaking.  If Del State takes over Wesley, and eliminates football at Wesley, then any Wesley player can't simply become a DSU player.  Doesn't any player moving from D3 to FCS need to sit out one season?

The NCAA has waived the sit out season for schools that fold their programs I believe.  I do not know if that is true for d3 to d1.

I can't really tell but does anyone know if Pine Manor in Boston is having sports this fall?  Boston College bought them out but worded it in a strange way where students that were at Pine Manor can stay to finish out their degrees in two years and after that can apply to get into Boston College (if they don't finish in the two years).  Kind of different than what other schools have done here in MA with these mergers (Umass Amherst took over Mt. Ida and the Mt. Ida students were simply done, and Boston University bought out Wheelock but kept the Wheelock students and let them get a degree from Boston University)

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: July 07, 2020, 09:10:02 pm »
No worries -- the size of the playoff field will probably depend on a lot of things, least of which is how many schools actually compete in Division III football this fall.

Thanks Pat.  I will say Iím feeling a little more optimistic about the LL release.  They sound like they have a plan and have their **** together.

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: July 07, 2020, 07:47:44 pm »
The ncaa isnít going to allow teams to get bids if they play 5 or 6 games, thatís why I hinted to the home and home (if the league is afraid of one team getting covid from another non league school that doesnít have the same testing regulations that the LL might have)

Yes, they are:

https://www.d3football.com/notables/2020/06/preseason-start-date-set-for-aug-10

I missed that.  Will the playoff structure (32 teams) remain the same?  (Donít link to some d3football article and make me look dumb twice in one day please)

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