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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: July 07, 2020, 07:09:27 pm »
I think you can do spring football, you just canít have kids playing 20+ games in 7-9 months.  And I think the medical staff and facilities would be fine, as I bet schedules for spring sports will be reduced as well.  But it just wonít count for anything.

But back to the home and home, I donít know what they are going to do there in terms of playing other teams.  The LL statement seems to hint that they only want league games (I could be wrong in that).  This brings me to another question, and thatís about the POol A bids and who can or canít make the playoffs?

And as itís been hinted here, for football at least the LL and E8 are gonna need some crossover games if they want to be included in the playoff mix Iím assuming.  The ncaa isnít going to allow teams to get bids if they play 5 or 6 games, thatís why I hinted to the home and home (if the league is afraid of one team getting covid from another non league school that doesnít have the same testing regulations that the LL might have)

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: July 07, 2020, 06:47:41 pm »
FYI... Muhlenberg just pulled the plug on football this season... possibly in the spring....

Given health and other related concerns, the Centennial Conference Presidents Council has decided to suspend any intercollegiate competition for sports scheduled for the fall semester. The presidents will reevaluate this decision by the end of September, based on work to be done by the Conference to assess sports-specific activities and the experiences on the schools' campuses. The presidents have determined football will not be played in the fall. The Conference will also explore the possibility of shifting certain fall sports, including football, to the spring.

I donít get it.  Does that mean no sports at all until the end of September?  Or just ďintercollegiate?Ē

Iím assuming they mean the entire league simply isnít having sports until they reassess at the end of Sept. 

Am I also correct in saying the NCAA is going forward with fall football championships for d3?  This would mean only teams who play in the fall are eligible for championships. 

Iím guessing ďspring footballĒ will just be like Nescac football for leagues who decide to do it.  Cut the games in half and just okay within the league.

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: July 07, 2020, 02:33:33 pm »
I have a gut feeling we might see a home/home series between Ithaca and Hobart this year.  Why not right?

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: June 24, 2020, 09:59:05 am »
Bowdoin & UMass-Boston--NO FALL Sports.

Maineís Bowdoin College and UMass Boston are canceling their fall sports schedules due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Bowdoin President Clayton Rose cited limitations on campus attendance in an announcement detailing the schoolís plans for the fall semester. UMass Boston interim Chancellor Katherine Newman said in a memo that the school will focus on remote instruction in the fall with no on-ground student activities.

Both schools compete in Division III. Bowdoin has 31 varsity teams. UMass Boston has 18.

Rose said there may be an opportunity for the winter, spring and possibly fall athletes to participate and compete in some form after Jan. 1. But there will be no elimination of programs or furloughs or cuts to athletic administration, staff or coaches.

Newman said she is hopeful conditions will improve enough by October that the school will be able to open some on-campus programs.

Umass Boston is a commuter school with no dorms that I know of (I know there was a plan to add some housing).  Bowdoin is obviously a different story, although Maine has some of the strictest Covid quarantine rules so far in New England.  That is going to affect all Maine schools.

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: June 24, 2020, 09:57:23 am »
You have to expect all the NESCACs will get in line with Bowdoin. No way they made that decision in a vacuum. Wesleyan and Middlebury's recent announcements don't vary far from that as far as sports goes.

Good news out of Ithaca is their city has basically no active COVID cases (well, technically there's something like 2 - the mayor tweeted it out earlier today). Hopefully that keeps the FLX region in the green and able to reopen / get back to a new normal. Maybe the Bombers could even revisit the Oct 5th date also?

Ithaca AD and President sent out an email yesterday (actually its on twitter too).  Nothing new in the email, only that Ithaca is meeting with LL schools multiple times a week virtually and that the league is still discussing plans for the fall sports seasons.  Does not seem like the Oct. 5th date is changing, but it also doesn't seem like that date will have any affect on athletics either.

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: June 03, 2020, 02:36:16 pm »
RTd this article yesterday. The cost was higher than I thought, but obviously a D3 team would be a smaller roster than a Power 5 / Pac 12 one:

Yea and there is a chance that the tests could get cheaper as time goes on as well. 

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: June 03, 2020, 12:01:12 pm »
Random thought.  It would seem a face shield for helmets would cut exposure risks by a whole hell of a lot. I'm sure the NCAA is ahead of the curve on this but I haven't heard much talk about it when many football camps open up in a few weeks.  Also wondering if the NFL is doing the same?  I know the mask isn't going to be fool proof, but think of a sport like basketball where everyone is breathing literally right on each other.  Almost seems like football is safer than basketball right?  Baseball probably the safest, then football (hockey), then basketball?

I have heard a rumor that several New England FCS schools were looking into a shortened season involving home and home games with other NE schools.  The teams mentioned were Maine, UNH, UMass and UConn and maybe Stony Brook.  This is a third person story from the parents of a current UNH football player.  Iím guessing schools are anticipating a second wave up here at some point next winter but who knows.  It seems like we are all gonna wait and see what happens to all these southerners....

Testing will be big, and I think we are getting closer now to getting better widespread testing .  I work for the town of Brookline, and we just had testing (Covid and antibodies) available for 100 town workers and 400 random residents (results are around 10% with antibodies and zero town workers with Covid  Brookline has had 40 Covid deaths with 37 from Nursing facilities unofficially)  Boston just had a similar study with 750 random residents with similar outcomes (2.6% positive with Covid and 10% positive with antibodies).  Results were back in one day from the Brookline tests. 

In two months hopefully this can be done at colleges with staff/students weekly or bi-weekly.  Maybe those who come to and from campus get tested more often (with their families).  Williams has a pretty big campus with a lot of workers and is pretty intertwined with the town, so that might make it a little harder, but most campuses are like Williams in general.  Williams also has a lot of money and can and should have some sort of testing program.  This month two students have sued BU and Northeastern for not providing with them with the level of instruction (in person) that they were promised and have taken both schools to federal court for the 2 months of online learning.  Not saying that Williams is afraid of that but at least it might make it worth while for them to test and do the best they can.

Anyway hopefully the next two months testing capabilities are improved even further and we can get back to normal (normal being football!)

Email to PMC athletics this morning has not yet been returned. Called the athletic office and the listed media relations contact for the college a little while ago and left messages for both.

The odd thing is that Pine Manor has actually allowed students to stay in dorms on campus for some odd reason as Massachusetts has been very strict on the covid restrictions.

Sad but hardly surprising. Doubt they would have made it even without Covid-19...

Yea this place depended heavily on federally funded vouchers for students tuition (somewhere in the 90%+ of students here went for free).  I actually worked with people at this school as part of my job and the writing has been on the wall for a long time.  I think they were actually looking for an ending like this, as the Mt. Ida closure left a real bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths around here for various reasons.  The admin at PMC did not want to see the school fall into that trap (or what happened to Newbury), and at least kids will have a chance to continue for two years, and then have the "opportunity" to apply to Boston College to continue their education. 

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: May 14, 2020, 10:50:59 am »
If the NCAA grants another year of eligibility (similar to Spring athletes), then the student athletes could go the Grad student route (similar to Joe G last year), or take a class or two (perhaps even online classes?).  Of course, the athletes would have to cover the cost of tuition, and room/board for another semester.  I wonder how this would affect the job prospects for the graduates.  Business guys, would hiring in the winter be a detriment to the job applicant?

Given the likely state of the economy in the end of 2020 and beginning of 2021, earning a graduate degree might be a productive use of time. We saw this in the last recession. Rather than fight for limited jobs, go for extra qualifications if you have the means. Then when the economy improves, you will be starting from a higher base. It's an expensive trade-off, and I certainly wouldn't recommend simply paying for extra classes and not getting a degree just to play another season of football, that is not a wise financial decision, but lots of students in both 2002-2005 and 2009-2012 time frames did well staying in school for a graduate degree versus entering an unstable job market.

I stayed an extra semester in college (red shirt injury) and was able to get a double major out of it (2nd Spanish major only required 36 credits of actual Spanish and the other credits were either electives or general humanities classes that I had already taken).  If you are able to plan it ahead of time, you might be able to do this with certain majors.  You lose 6 months of "work" I guess, and you obviously are paying "full time" tuition.

I believe students have 5 years of eligibility (5 years to play 4 seasons of football) so if the season is cancelled I'm not sure you would need the NCAA to make a waiver if the player wanted to return and play the next fall semester?  I believe that is what Joe G. did anyway.  But however it works grad school might be a good route, and I think you might see a lot of tuition prices drop as well, and other costs associated with the high price of education at that level.

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: May 13, 2020, 11:29:57 am »
Finger Lakes Region is one of three NYS regions to get the green light for Phase One effective May 15. Good news for HWS and Rochester. Not sure what this means for football after Fauci comment that football is a difficult sport for the virus.  Goodell and NFL are sending big bucks on research to keep NFL players safe and keep prospects of season positive. Lots to happen in the next few months that will hopefully get colleges open(Phase 4 in NY) and athletes back to competition safely. Hobart Football is lucky to have Rochester based medical resources close by with some Hobart grads in key medical positions to guide the return. Stay safe and hopefully we will see some football this Fall, as these student athletes expect to participate. Cuomo ....I hope you love football ;D

I understand your optimism Bartman but I really don't see a path to Division III football this fall. Too many added costs and headaches for the schools to worry about athletics. As a football fan, already well into the fourth quarter of life, it really hurts. I do think we'll have the NFL and maybe some NCAA FCS...yeah,maybe... One can only hope.  :'(   
Without athletics for these schools, the financial hit will be dramatic since many of the kids will delay attendance if online is the choice or losing a year of sports in the Fall. At HWS, 35% of our students are athletes and the football roster is about 100 . HWS will survive this hit, but expect quite a few colleges to close in this economic stress due to reliance on tuition. This will not immediately impact the LL Football schools with 200MM+ Endowments , but I can count many schools in New York that were hurting with the change in demographics and this crisis is pretty much the nail in the coffin. UFan Bill, we will continue our fight back to normalcy and hope for the best.

Well I wonder how many kids could prolong their athletic (and academic) careers one semester in order to play one more year?  So students take this fall off, then start in the spring and "graduate" after their final fall semester while playing football that fall.  Or get a dual major and load up this fall for extra classes.  Grad school might be an option at some LL schools but probably not feasible for most schools. 

East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: April 25, 2020, 08:57:07 am »
It goes without saying (or maybe it doesn't  ???) that if there is no classes on campus, then there are no sports.  My point was, bringing students back in stages (fall athletes first), then maybe freshamn, then upperclass would allow the groups to be tested in smaller cohorts.  Easing the burden on the schools.

Okay, so now justify the athletes being the first ones back in a way that doesn't confer favoritism due to them being athletes, which not only would be a PR nightmare, but probably an NCAA violation.

Because I have no idea what that justification could possibly be.

Aren't the fall athletes always the first students back on campus? Followed by incoming freshmen for orientation and then the bulk of the student body. I see this as a non-issue. Am I missing something?

Athletes aren't the only ones who come back early. Why not the RAs, or orientation leaders, or student workers? The RAs and orientation leaders, in particular, would be more critical if you're planning to have the rest of the student body to follow in the coming weeks.

EDIT: And along those lines, I'd think you'd want student employees in certain areas back early too (like the dining hall), if you're going to have thousands of students following them the next week.

I think logistically it won't happen the way Oline89 is saying, simply because if you can have 100 players and coaches mixing together, then you can have 30 kids in a class or a dorm mixing together, so in essence, things will be back to normal anyway, so why would you ease the football team back first, why not ease the classroom and dorms back first, and push the season back....

So basically I'm assuming 30 kids in a class or 100 kids in each dorm is going to happen before 100 kids/coaches/trainers/etc on an athletic field.  The can happen at the same time, or if it's like any other year, the 100 athletes come back first.

Some other random thoughts on my own end, is what is going to happen to local High Schools, especially public versus private.  Are kids going to spend money to attend private schools if distance learning continues?  At that point you might as well spend the money on private tutors in addition to your free public school education.  I have also read that many (mostly international) students are steering away from NY and NE schools for the specific reason of this virus (why take your chance at Columbia being shut down when you can go to Vanderbilt or Cal Berkley).  Will this affect LL schools in anyway?

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