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Messages - Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Pool C
« on: February 19, 2020, 01:43:08 pm »
Where's the vrro data for week 2?

If you go to the bottom of the rankings page Dave linked to, there are links for each region.  These contain the raw data for every team.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
« on: February 19, 2020, 01:26:14 pm »

SNC getting crushed for losing to BenU that first game of the season.  Every game counts.

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Pool C
« on: February 19, 2020, 01:09:05 pm »
So, why is it that the NCAA doesn't respond to their constituency in this regard(how the SOS is computed and why this method as opposed to some other algorithm)?

You are assuming someone has asked them ... they respond to members, but we don't know if any membership has raised the issue officially.

The committee has to have at least inquired, right?  They seem very concerned with doing their job to the best of their abilities.  If it's an issue of implementation over statue, shouldn't they have some leeway on how the math is done?

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: 2020 NCAA Tournament
« on: February 19, 2020, 01:06:53 pm »
First WeekendSecond Weekend
Even YearsMen HostWomen Host
Odd YearsWomen HostMen Host

Alright, misogyny it is.

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Central Region / Re: MBB: St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: February 19, 2020, 01:06:16 pm »

Did they add team technical fouls into the tiebreak procedure?  Seems only fair, right?

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Great Lakes Region / Re: Great Lakes Region
« on: February 19, 2020, 12:36:25 pm »
We still doing once ranked always ranked or no?

Wittenberg plays at Wabash tonight.  Figure a Witt win probably knocks Wabash out for next week but maybe not.

Only team ranked next week (week 3) and the final ranking on March 1st will be counted as "ranked" opponents for vRRO purposes.  Each ranking counts only the week before and the current ranking.

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Northeast Region / Re: MBB: NESCAC
« on: February 19, 2020, 12:16:51 pm »
I missed Oshkosh, whoops.  Ryan, I have some memory that there was a change in which teams had to have a .667 winning percentage to be eligible for the tourney (meaning that Oshkosh is out with another loss, for example).  Is that right?  I can't recall.

It was never a rule, but there had not been a Pool C selection with a lower winning percentage until Oshkosh just a couple years ago.  That was the impetus for cracking down on the misuse of WP/SOS ratios.  Based on the first week's rankings, I think any team below a .700 is probably in dire straights.  Remember, though, the conference tourney counts as well, so teams can pick up a little with a 2-1 record.

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Northeast Region / Re: MBB: NESCAC
« on: February 19, 2020, 12:00:19 pm »
Remember the SOS numbers will still change with upcoming opponents.  They aren't finalized yet, even for the regular season for most teams.

And, I think Oshkosh has a higher SOS than UWSP, too.  I bet they're #1 right now.

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General Division III issues / Re: Financial aid specifically 15.4.8
« on: February 19, 2020, 11:17:09 am »

Tuition discounts are definitely a common benefit at most colleges and universities, but there is a broad spectrum of how those are implemented.  I just know few schools offer them immediately upon hire to discourage people from taking jobs just to save on their kids' college.

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Northeast Region / Re: MBB: NESCAC
« on: February 19, 2020, 11:15:23 am »
The second regional rankings should be out later today......correct?

Yep.

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: 2020 NCAA Tournament
« on: February 19, 2020, 11:14:55 am »
Would the fact that the quarterfinals are in Ft. Wayne factor into the bracketing?  Since the usual geographic concerns at that round don't matter this year, would they ever have a "midwest" pod and "northeast" pod feed into one quarterfinal, for example?  (Pod is probably not the right term.)  It would seem a shame to not take advantage of the format and have teams from different parts of the country play each other earlier than is usually possible.

The second weekend will force the first weekend to be less geographically diverse - you have to keep all eight teams essentially within 500 miles of each other in order to avoid flights the second weekend - and they will be avoiding flights the second weekend because they'll likely need more the third.

However, once teams get to Ft Wayne, the bracketing can be far more creative.  You could have a Tuft-St. John's matchup in the elite eight, since they'll already be in the same place.

I suspect they'll bracket with eight pretty geographically limited pods of eight teams, but then pair those pods together in unique ways that take advantage of the central location.

It's hard to make too many predictions this early, but I doubt you'll see a potential Swarthmore-RMC matchup in the fourth round the way you probably would in other years, when limited by geography.

We'll probably have some rematches in the third round that we don't like, but it should make Ft. Wayne more interesting.

The bolded part is what concerns me. You're going to have more flights (to Ft. Wayne) to pay for, but you're also going to have more flights in the second weekend because we'll only have two pods from which to find 500-mile matches instead of four. How many additional flights is the NCAA going to approve to have the combined championship weekend? I do not like it if it has an adverse effect on bracket diversity.

The place it will hurt is in the midwest - probably no more combining of Great Lakes and Central teams, or getting Maryville to WashU.  I don't want to go too far into it until we've got a list of teams, because geography dictates so much regardless of schedule.  You'll still be able to do a lot of cross-region pods in the E, NE, Atlantic, and MA.

Honestly, fewer Pool C bids from the Central might be a boon for bracketing or a tragedy - and it might all hinge on one team being in or out.

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: 2020 NCAA Tournament
« on: February 19, 2020, 10:41:06 am »
Would the fact that the quarterfinals are in Ft. Wayne factor into the bracketing?  Since the usual geographic concerns at that round don't matter this year, would they ever have a "midwest" pod and "northeast" pod feed into one quarterfinal, for example?  (Pod is probably not the right term.)  It would seem a shame to not take advantage of the format and have teams from different parts of the country play each other earlier than is usually possible.

The second weekend will force the first weekend to be less geographically diverse - you have to keep all eight teams essentially within 500 miles of each other in order to avoid flights the second weekend - and they will be avoiding flights the second weekend because they'll likely need more the third.

However, once teams get to Ft Wayne, the bracketing can be far more creative.  You could have a Tuft-St. John's matchup in the elite eight, since they'll already be in the same place.

I suspect they'll bracket with eight pretty geographically limited pods of eight teams, but then pair those pods together in unique ways that take advantage of the central location.

It's hard to make too many predictions this early, but I doubt you'll see a potential Swarthmore-RMC matchup in the fourth round the way you probably would in other years, when limited by geography.

We'll probably have some rematches in the third round that we don't like, but it should make Ft. Wayne more interesting.

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West Region / Re: MBB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« on: February 19, 2020, 09:36:45 am »

St John's isn't a 100% Pool C lock with that SOS.  I think a three loss St. John's gets in, but it's not a shoe-in situation.

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General Division III issues / Re: Financial aid specifically 15.4.8
« on: February 19, 2020, 09:29:46 am »
Thank you.

As long as it is part of the rules.  I am going to assume it was not part of the recruiting process.  I think a D1 prospect attending a D3 school and the parent obtaining an entry level job therefore no tuition will receive scrutiny.  I will assume the 2 are not mutually exclusive.

It'll only receive scrutiny if someone notifies the NCAA.  They're not out looking for things like that.

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Pool C
« on: February 19, 2020, 09:27:53 am »

So it was when they changed the multiplier that things got wonky.  I gotcha.

I was just looking through the Pre-Championship Manual today; it's funny how all the math for every other calculation is spelled out plainly, but the multipliers are just described, with no examples.

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