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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« Last post by HSCTiger fan on Today at 09:53:36 pm »
HSCTiger fan -

Read your posts and quit taking mine out of context.   Maryville, W&L &  Shenandoah were the teams you were talking about and the ones I was responding to.  Not saying that Wabash had/has a better D than Linfield's 2013 Version.

Done with this specific back and fourth.   Everything will certainly be settled on Saturday.  Not on this board.

I hope your son has a good game.

Sorry I did misread that. Totally agree that everything will be settled Saturday. Looking forward to it.
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South Region football / Re: Old Dominion Athletic Conference
« Last post by jknezek on Today at 09:53:04 pm »
Jk

How does HSC go about beating Wabash and how do you see the game playing out ?

Good luck to your Gennies this week.

Jump out to a fast start. Falling behind 10+ points would be extremely problematic. They will have an excellent defense and a very good ground it out possession offense. Make them chase and make the defense take risks. Force their offense to make plays instead of eat clock. First game of the season the defense is usually ahead of the offense. This game plays to Wabash's hand a lot. HSC will need to be special to win. I believe the Tigers have the ability, but there isn't much x factor in their favor. 
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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« Last post by wally_wabash on Today at 09:51:59 pm »
A few Wildcats from Oregon might argue differently about your contention that "None of these teams had the Defense you will face on Saturday."  Even if that statement is true, it's also a safe contention that last season Wabash did not face a defense as good as HSCs.

This isn't really the case.  Wittenberg's 2013 defense is pretty comparable to H-SC's 2013 defense- and Witt played games against Butler and the offensive juggernaut that was Kevin Burke. 

HSC is not like most teams.  They seldom win time of possession, they often get out rushed, they typically turnover the ball more than their opponents, last year thru 7 games everyone held their breath on extra points because the kicker had missed about as many as he had made, but somehow like you pointed out they simply out score their opponents.

In today's football, TOP is a meaningless stat and we should probably start disregarding it entirely.  Additionally, most teams that have AA quarterbacks and receivers will probably get out rushed by choice.  Why run a bunch when your best players operate in the passing game?  The turnovers...now that's a real issue.  H-SC has enough offensive talent to overcome takeaways against teams that are overmatched.  Against good teams though?  You can't give those possessions away.  What was it- 8 turnovers against CNU?  And the two second half fumbles against Linfield cost the Tigers the game.  Can't do that business against good teams.  That's what makes them good teams- they'll take your mistakes and beat you horribly with them.  I've got a post coming later this week with a big ol' game breakdown but as a teaser, the whole turnover thing plays a prominent role.   
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Men's soccer / Re: NESCAC
« Last post by NCAC New England on Today at 09:51:07 pm »
Amherst and New England College headed to OT.
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Men's soccer / Re: Should More Teams Use a Sweeper?
« Last post by KICKIN95 on Today at 09:50:30 pm »
I would call Loras' formation more of a 4-3-3, but they adapt so fluidly to all their opponents that the shape changes as needed.   Man marking is what they do best and what many teams try, but fail to realize how difficult it is to do consistently. 
I feel that most teams went away from the sweeper position about 15 to 20 years ago because of the pressure for a more attacking style of soccer.  The 4-4-2 was the "new thing" to do and involve the wingers more in the attack without giving up the the middle. I personally feel the sweeper position is a better system (maybe because I was one),  but cannot be pulled off without a very disciplined player and team.   When you have a sweeper that "gets it"  they can be an integral part of the attack and still anchor the defense. Do it well and you become a formidable side to contend with.
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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« Last post by bashbrother on Today at 09:47:05 pm »
HSCTiger fan -

Read your posts and quit taking mine out of context.   Maryville, W&L &  Shenandoah were the teams you were talking about and the ones I was responding to.  Not saying that Wabash had/has a better D than Linfield's 2013 Version.

Done with this specific back and fourth.   Everything will certainly be settled on Saturday.  Not on this board.

I hope your son has a good game.



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Women's soccer / Re: NESCAC 2014
« Last post by Becks on Today at 09:41:32 pm »
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Women's soccer / Re: NESCAC 2014
« Last post by Becks on Today at 09:40:15 pm »
Looks like today is the day for posting rosters:

Bates: http://athletics.bates.edu/sports/wsoc/2014-15/roster Roster of 29(!). In addition to the seniors who graduated, 1 backup keeper and 2 regular subs are not listed. On the other hand, there are 11 frosh(!), as well as a new soph and a new senior.

Colby: http://www.colby.edu/athletics/sport/womens-soccer/?view=roster Roster of 24, including 5 frosh.

Conn: http://camelathletics.com/sports/wsoc/2014-15/roster Roster of 26, including 9 frosh.

Trinity: http://athletics.trincoll.edu/sports/wsoc/2014-15/roster Roster of 28, including 10 frosh and 1 soph transfer from Union.

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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« Last post by bashgiant on Today at 09:17:40 pm »

Ok... I guess I will play along... 


Bash which season did you review to determine - "HSC won quite a few games in which they gave up plenty of yards/points... and still won by simply outscoring opponents".

They gave up 20 + points to 6 opponents -  They gave up 30+ points to 3 opponents.  My point.   They had to score a bunch to win... a good percentage of their games


Only 3 teams had over 400 yards offense against HSC's defense last year. HSC lost one - Shenandoah, won one by 13 - W&L,  and beat Maryville by 8. Maryville comes closest to your assessment (42-34) but even in that game both teams only scored once in the 2nd half.

Rushing the ball well is certainly a critical component to success. But against HSC it does not necessarily translate to success. HSC went 3-1 against teams that rushed for 200+ yards in 2013.  They lost to Shenandoah. The 3 other teams were - W&L who was second in the nation in rushing averaging 347 per game.  Maryville who was 8th averaging just over 300 and Randolph Macon who had All-American and All-time leading rusher in ODAC history Will McGhee (1676 yards last season). These 3 teams all had over 200 + yards rushing, all 3 had more time of possession, 2 of 3 had fewer turnovers, all 3 were held below their season rushing averages and ALL THREE LOST.

I contend that None of these teams had the Defense you will face on Saturday. 

Wabash gave up 20 pts or more to (2) opponents.   When HSC scored 25 or less pts in 2013..  they lost both games.  The 5 Int's to CNU probably didn't help the scoring in that game much... Let's hope Nash is throwing a few on Saturday, we will gladly catch everyone he wants to throw our way.

You made it sound like they won in shootouts. They didn't.  Last time I checked every football game in the history of football was won by "simply out scoring opponents." 

My points are as valid as yours.  When Wabash gave up more than 25 the lost too. Had you said first team to 25 wins I might agree. 

A few Wildcats from Oregon might argue differently about your contention that "None of these teams had the Defense you will face on Saturday."  Even if that statement is true, it's also a safe contention that last season Wabash did not face a defense as good as HSCs.

HSC is not like most teams.  They seldom win time of possession, they often get out rushed, they typically turnover the ball more than their opponents, last year thru 7 games everyone held their breath on extra points because the kicker had missed about as many as he had made, but somehow like you pointed out they simply out score their opponents.

Sounds like OWU of old reincarnated.
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North Region football / Re: North Coast Athletic Conference
« Last post by HSCTiger fan on Today at 09:11:41 pm »

Ok... I guess I will play along... 


Bash which season did you review to determine - "HSC won quite a few games in which they gave up plenty of yards/points... and still won by simply outscoring opponents".

They gave up 20 + points to 6 opponents -  They gave up 30+ points to 3 opponents.  My point.   They had to score a bunch to win... a good percentage of their games


Only 3 teams had over 400 yards offense against HSC's defense last year. HSC lost one - Shenandoah, won one by 13 - W&L,  and beat Maryville by 8. Maryville comes closest to your assessment (42-34) but even in that game both teams only scored once in the 2nd half.

Rushing the ball well is certainly a critical component to success. But against HSC it does not necessarily translate to success. HSC went 3-1 against teams that rushed for 200+ yards in 2013.  They lost to Shenandoah. The 3 other teams were - W&L who was second in the nation in rushing averaging 347 per game.  Maryville who was 8th averaging just over 300 and Randolph Macon who had All-American and All-time leading rusher in ODAC history Will McGhee (1676 yards last season). These 3 teams all had over 200 + yards rushing, all 3 had more time of possession, 2 of 3 had fewer turnovers, all 3 were held below their season rushing averages and ALL THREE LOST.

I contend that None of these teams had the Defense you will face on Saturday. 

Wabash gave up 20 pts or more to (2) opponents.   When HSC scored 25 or less pts in 2013..  they lost both games.  The 5 Int's to CNU probably didn't help the scoring in that game much... Let's hope Nash is throwing a few on Saturday, we will gladly catch everyone he wants to throw our way.

You made it sound like they won in shootouts. They didn't.  Last time I checked every football game in the history of football was won by "simply out scoring opponents." 

My points are as valid as yours.  When Wabash gave up more than 25 the lost too. Had you said first team to 25 wins I might agree. 

A few Wildcats from Oregon might argue differently about your contention that "None of these teams had the Defense you will face on Saturday."  Even if that statement is true, it's also a safe contention that last season Wabash did not face a defense as good as HSCs.

HSC is not like most teams.  They seldom win time of possession, they often get out rushed, they typically turnover the ball more than their opponents, last year thru 7 games everyone held their breath on extra points because the kicker had missed about as many as he had made, but somehow like you pointed out they simply out score their opponents.
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