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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Conference changes
« Last post by jmcozenlaw on October 22, 2020, 01:24:23 pm »
I love pondering the gray areas and seeing how much you can break things (like the fact an NFL playoff game could have a 15-1 team playing the wild card on the road at a 3-13 team).
Could you in theory have 2 conferences down to a combined 11 teams and have them maintain 2 bids by being 7 and 4 for two years, then 3 teams switch to the other, then after another two years 3 teams head to the first conference, etc. They'd both always have 4 core members, and get back to 7 by the end of the 2 year clock. I'm sure the NCAA would frown upon it but is there anything preventing such shenanigans?

The "Shell Game Conference Shuffle".......................now THAT is an interesting concept!! ;)
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West Region football / Re: FB: Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Last post by olddog on October 22, 2020, 12:20:34 pm »
Just a brief thought on the passing of Oxy football.  When the school sent out information on the final four candidates for the AD position, I knew there was going to be an issue.  The final four candidates were all women (not a problem, but image if it were all men, the outrage).  Three of the four were coming from schools with football programs (guess which one they hired?  Not one of the three). 
One was from a D1 school. One was from Pomona.  One was a former coach, athletic admin, and interim AD from Oxy.  None of those three were hired.  Now, I have no idea how well they interviewed, but they had two candidates with knowledge of the SCIAC.  Both of them know how hard it is to recruit athletes for a top academic school.  However, they were not hired. 
Could either of them stopped this?  No.  This was on the list of the Board for many years.

What gets me the most, the pathetic path they took to quit playing. Studies, giving alumni false hope, fund raising, wasting people's time. All BS...in the end. Are they that big sissies and just can dig in a say we do not want it anymore, f you guys.....clearly not. Again an attack on white masculine behavior....just my opinion. What kills me is football would have been a great tool to diversify the school. However they do not understand football teams among themselves do not see color.
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Oxy screwed that hire up for sure.  I don't understand why regional institutions hire people from the midwest and east coast.  UR did the same thing.  For whatever reason the very smart people running the athletic department felt it necessary to hire coaches from the Northeast.  Women's VB and Softball.  VB is a train wreck and never wins.  The softball coach was fired after 2 seasons.  What schools on the west coast actively recruit the east coast?  The SCIAC schools need recruits to survive.
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East Region football / Re: FB: New Jersey Athletic Conference
« Last post by CNU85 on October 22, 2020, 11:25:01 am »
Really makes you wonder how many players really have the finances in place to spend another semester in college

Regardless, as an athlete, would you rather play 5 games or no games? 

-Ski
With no other things to consider ($, health, etc.) then Yes I would assume they would rather play games versus no games.

On another note, Rowan typically has a lot of turnover from year to year, even in normal times... they may have a completely different roster in 2021. I do see some of the key guys (Divine, Husni, Maldonado) training on their social media accounts, so hopefully the Profs will have a core group coming back.. whenever that is

Rowan, what causes all of the year to year turnover at a place like Rowan? They have such a "tuition advantage" over some other schools in the NJAC and all of the schools in the nearby MAC that I'd think tuyrnover (due to affordability as an example) would be a lot less.
That's a great question.  For the answer, I'm not sure. I believe the cost of Rowan tuition has increased significantly over the past decade. When I attended Rowan from '04 to '08, I was able to afford tuition on my own with a simple summer job. Now adays I don't think that's the case.

In regards to player attrition the coaches don't discuss player matters as a policy so I don't know the real answer but I think it all depends on each players situation.  However, overall I believe guys lose the passion to play, or they get buried on the depth chart and quit. Other guys may decide to focus on academics.

From what I've seen, they typically start with around 50 freshman.  Roughly 30 proceed to Soph year. Then they'll have around 20 or so Juniors.  Then we've seen about 12 seniors the past few seasons.  All in it's about 100 players or so. 

I could be wrong, but I think the NJAC has roster size limitations. So you won't see Rowan with 200 players like Mount Union or the Texas powerhouses. So maybe there are some cuts too.

I think Roster size is 125 in normal years. I've heard they are allowing 135 this year??????? I may very well be incorrect.

Thanks for sharing thoughts on the retention issue. Interesting.
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East Region football / Re: FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference
« Last post by nescac1 on October 22, 2020, 10:56:52 am »
Every few years there is an Op-Ed like that in the Record.  It's an opinion that seems to percolate on campus without ever gaining a huge amount of support.  I've seen no evidence that Williams (as opposed to, perhaps, some of its peers ... in either direction!) is contemplating changing the balance of its relative emphasis on athletics in admissions anytime soon.  Keep in mind, Williams already did so over the past 20 years ... moving from 72 TIPS to 66 (while the overall class size increased marginally during that period), significantly reducing the number of "low band" athletic admits accepted, generally increasing the overall academic standards for TIPS. 

The focus on the Director's Cup as a proxy for overemphasis on athletic attributes in recruiting is pretty silly in my view, considering that the sports that Williams tends to dominate and gain a ton of points in the Directors' Cup from, things like tennis, golf, cross country, swimming, track and field, women's crew, also tend to be the sports with the fewest concessions when it comes to admissions.  Football, for example, which alone accounts for something like one out of five recruited athletes, doesn't even earn any Director's Cup points.  Meanwhile, in recent years, Williams is mostly middle-of-the-pack most years in most of the team sports (soccer, basketball, football, ice hockey, lacrosse, field hockey, baseball, softball), with occasional exceptions (perpetually dominant women's soccer team, sporadically stellar men's basketball team, softball). 

In all events, Williams has been number one in U.S. News for 18 straight years.  The school has the highest endowment of any liberal arts college, by a significant margin.  The average SAT scores on campus are higher than ever.  It just built a spectacular new outdoor sports complex.  All sorts of alums connected to sports have been killing it in recent years (Jason Hehir, Duncan Robinson, Raf Stone, Sean Gleeson, Mike Bajakian, Kriste Kirshe, Dave Paulsen, etc. arguably more relatively recent prominent alums in sports than in any other field), bringing a lot of great publicity to the school.  Why would the school change a balance that's clearly working out just fine? 
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East Region football / Re: FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference
« Last post by jknezek on October 22, 2020, 10:50:54 am »
Sounds like he played individual sport......"I was 16-0"

Not necessarily. He said 16-0 in 2 sports across 4 years. If he played baseball as one of those sports he'd like have played Amherst 3x a season, right? That would be 12 contests. Add in football or soccer and you'd be at 16. It could also be basketball with a double round robin and maybe a tournament game or four. That would get you to 8-12 games, then soccer with a few more maybe. Bunch of options here.
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East Region football / Re: FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference
« Last post by lumbercat on October 22, 2020, 10:25:04 am »
Sounds like he played individual sport......"I was 16-0"
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East Region football / Re: FB: New England Small College Athletic Conference
« Last post by amh63 on October 22, 2020, 10:18:03 am »
Lumbercat....who knows wrt Jumpshot.   Previous posts by Jumpshot indicated to me that he lives in the D.C area....knows the area outdoor basketball courts  that I know.  Do not think he was on the wrestling team since Amherst has not had a college wrestling team since the late 60s.  My younger brother had a high school classmate whose father was the legendary head coach of the Boston Celtics.  Used to see Red A at the same basketball court at the DC Chevy Chase BB court checking out the local talent. 
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West Region football / Re: FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
« Last post by Texas Ole on October 21, 2020, 09:38:23 pm »
I didn't think much of the move from TE to O-Line originally.  Lots of guys switch positions between HS and college.  Others will switch in the middle of their college careers based on need or skill set.  I then thought of Wade Smith who had a 10 year NFL career.  He was a TE in high school that was not known to be big especially when compared to other offensive linemen in high school.  He got to to college and kept growing.  Some guys grow later naturally while others grow in college due to improved nutrition and workout plans.

What is impressive is the D3 to NFL jump especially on the line.  Certain skill guys can get lost on teams.  It is usually pretty hard to miss the guys on the line.
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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Conference changes
« Last post by FCGrizzliesGrad on October 21, 2020, 08:17:34 pm »
I love pondering the gray areas and seeing how much you can break things (like the fact an NFL playoff game could have a 15-1 team playing the wild card on the road at a 3-13 team).
Could you in theory have 2 conferences down to a combined 11 teams and have them maintain 2 bids by being 7 and 4 for two years, then 3 teams switch to the other, then after another two years 3 teams head to the first conference, etc. They'd both always have 4 core members, and get back to 7 by the end of the 2 year clock. I'm sure the NCAA would frown upon it but is there anything preventing such shenanigans?
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