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Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2005, 02:27:01 am
HPU had only one player first-team all-conference so I think that bears out alright.
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 17, 2005, 09:20:59 am
one and done..sounds about like HSU's performance on their home floor in the conference tournament right?
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Post by: jmnaseum on March 17, 2005, 09:49:31 am
Thanks Pat, the SID's vote for all region.
I wonder how many of them actually watch the games and know what makes the team "tick" or are they interested in just stats?  Martinez is good but the question must arise why did UMHB finish a distant 5th in the West?
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Post by: Inthepaint on March 17, 2005, 10:11:52 am
Right, DBalla!
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Post by: cover2 on March 17, 2005, 12:42:00 pm
I wouldn't call 1 game out of a playoff spot a "distant 5th finish"
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Post by: jmnaseum on March 18, 2005, 02:06:12 pm
You are right Cover2.  They were actually just one game away from going to the tournament.  I just meant it had to be somewhat of a disapointing season for UMHB because of them returning 4 starters, having 9 letterwinners back and being predicted to finish third in the conference.  
I guess that shows how deep the West really was!
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Post by: Beau Tye on March 18, 2005, 10:19:38 pm
DBalla/Post 395,

One and done?  Just for the record...after HSU Cowgirls won the ASC-W with the best record and hosted the tournament, they won 104-50 over ETBU, in the first game, so they were "two and out"...after losing to McM!  :-)
(Not "one and out.")

Congrats to RMC...good win today over Scranton!
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 18, 2005, 10:41:21 pm
well considering ETBU shouldn't have even been in the tourney(only there because UT Tyler was ineligible)...that win hardly counts as anything :-) But you're right..they did win it..
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 19, 2005, 06:44:54 pm
It was, however, a Pyrhic victory, since one of the HSU starters was injured in the first minute of the game and was unable to play against us the following night.  I don't know who that was, but the outcome could have been different if she had been there on the HSU lineup.
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Inthepaint on March 19, 2005, 11:13:29 pm
I should have gone to McM.  I have no idea what a "Pyrhic" is!
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Post by: mcmfan on March 19, 2005, 11:45:03 pm
Oops, that's because I misspelled it!  It should be "Pyrrhic", not "Pyrhic"...
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Inthepaint on March 20, 2005, 09:05:04 am
I wish the spelling was the reason that I have no idea what it means!  Oooohhhhh!  Should have gone to McM!
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Post by: fanstand on March 21, 2005, 01:14:02 am
Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting..that's what next year will be about. Who returns to their respective teams, who doesn't. Summer workouts, lots to do between now and October. And we are talking about girls, only two things can mess them up, boys and drugs, and at least they have rehab for drugs. Six months away till season starts again, lots to do, lots can happen. Happy offseason everyone, keep the info coming.
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BedtimeForBonzo on March 21, 2005, 05:10:20 pm
Concordia's Ashley Edwards was the only ASC athlete named to D3hoops.com's Women's All-America team today.  The senior was named to the third team.

(Message edited by bedtimeforbonzo on March 21, 2005)
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Inthepaint on March 21, 2005, 08:37:01 pm
Congratulations Ashley!  Glad to see representation from the ASC!
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Post by: BedtimeForBonzo on March 24, 2005, 02:36:32 pm
There were also two ASC representatives on the WBCA/Kodak All-America team named late last week:

Diana Martinez - HSU
Lisa Martinez - UMHB

Both were among 30 players awarded honorable mention honors.  The WBCA only awards first team (10 selectees) and honorable mention honors.

Congratulations to both!
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Post by: Inthepaint on March 24, 2005, 10:58:31 pm
Yes, congratulations to both!  A great way to end terrific careers!
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Post by: Inthepaint on April 05, 2005, 11:05:20 pm
While we did not have a Texas D-3 team going very far in the national tournament, it was sure great to see the Lady Bears win the national title this evening!
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on April 08, 2005, 10:15:03 am
FYI-The NRCCUA ranked all college websites(Over 3000) in the US and 2 Texas schools made the top 100. HPU 89 and Trinity 100.
Here is the list of the top 100.
http://www.nrccua.com/educator/services/epi/top100.asp
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Post by: Larry Fanning on April 14, 2005, 04:57:21 pm
I know it isn't in TEXAS but it is ASC--LC was rated at 45 in the poll.
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Post by: Larry Fanning on April 14, 2005, 05:02:20 pm
I know all you thought I died.  I did, at least my computer did.  I found myself in an airport trying to get online,  I paid several dollars to find out that HSU had beat McM the day after.

Late congrates to HPU on winning the title.
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Post by: Inthepaint on April 15, 2005, 08:21:11 am
My, Larry, you have been out of the loop for a good, long while.  Good to see your presence here, albeit a month late!
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Post by: Ralph Turner on April 20, 2005, 03:57:16 pm
Schreiner has hired a new coach, and it wasn't Leigh Ann Owens, the former star player and interim Schreiner women's coach who led the Lady Mountaineers to the win that broke the streak.  Click for the story in Notables.

Good luck to Leigh Ann!:-)  May God bless your path!
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: lewis on April 22, 2005, 10:08:20 am
Bradi Gardner, ranked 52nd on TexasHoops.com's 2005 Top 100 Girls list, called Howard Payne on Monday to inform coach Chris Kielsmeier of her decision to become a member of the Lady Jackets' up-and-coming program next fall.
texashoops 2005 Top 100 Girls http://texashoops.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=948&CID=345688
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Inthepaint on April 23, 2005, 01:40:06 pm
That's good news for the Jackets.
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Post by: titlewave on June 01, 2005, 09:31:26 am
how did the girl from LC get awards for the east....she's not that good
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Post by: Ralph Turner on June 21, 2005, 08:32:57 pm
Congratulations to McM Coach Sam Nichols on his appointment to the WBCA Board of Directors.
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Post by: cover2 on June 23, 2005, 02:51:55 pm
UMHB's coach Margie Williamson resigned yesterday.  She is going to complete her Doctoral degree at Texas Women's University.  Link to the Temple Telegram:
http://www.temple-telegram.com/sports.php
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on June 24, 2005, 11:51:11 pm
With Trinity and UMHB coaches leaving could really affect those schools programs, I think UMHB will have a tough year even with their returners. It will be hard to adjust to a new coach. Lots of changes in the ASC. The graduation of some, I think the teams in the Abilene, Brownwood connection will have advantages. With the graduation of Ashley Edwards in Concordia,Diana at HSU, and coaching changes at UMHB, it could be a very interesting year in the ASC.  When Sul Ross lost April Martinez they have yet to recover, I think McM and HPU will be strong and HSU will be....well HSU, It may be the heat of summer, but in the fall things will really heat up.  Won;t be long and the season will be upon us, looking forward to seeing whose back, and in what condition..............
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Post by: jmnaseum on June 28, 2005, 10:26:03 am
Well said fanstand.  I think the player from Sul Ross was April Ramirez.
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on June 28, 2005, 09:42:14 pm
Oh my gosh, what a dork I am. I knew that, just got all my names confused. Yes, April Ramirez, she was a play maker, but I know players like her don't come along that often and rarely do you get more than one on a team.  Has any one heard who will be replacing UMHB or Trinity coach?
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: BedtimeForBonzo on June 29, 2005, 03:45:02 pm
Geez, fanstand, TU's Geyer just resigned last Thursday.  I don't expect to see anything for at least a few weeks, maybe longer.

(Message edited by BedtimeforBonzo on June 29, 2005)
Title: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on July 22, 2005, 11:40:24 am
So how is the recruiting trail going? I know HPU has some really good incoming freshman that will make an immediate impact.  Should be a fun year this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on August 17, 2005, 11:16:00 am
Hey How about this new Posting Site!!!! I like! Go Jackets!!!  ;D
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Post by: inthepaint on August 19, 2005, 12:03:06 am
It's going to take a little time to get used to the new format.  Fortunately, as a graduate of one of our Texas Baptist universities 8), I am a quick learner.
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Post by: dsc on August 19, 2005, 12:45:57 am
This is a test!
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Post by: baddog on August 20, 2005, 09:28:18 pm
Someone told me that S. West had transferred to HSU from McM. Any truth that she took a few summer school classes at HSU? And will she play?
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Post by: jmnaseum on August 23, 2005, 09:07:57 am
Sonya got tired of Sam,  No way ;)
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Post by: millie on August 24, 2005, 09:08:30 am
FYI 
Lacy Palomarez will be back at Mississippi College this year
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Post by: fanstand on August 24, 2005, 04:01:05 pm
The new posting board is almost beyond my technology challenged self.  Hearing some buzz around about new recruits and the shape of the returners.....I save my comments and predictions for after real practices start, and team rosters are formed.  Rumors are many, until I see a name on an official roster and a butt on the court, I wouldn't begin to try and figure out who's in and who's out!  this season will be fun as is every season. Only a couple months away ....... ARE YOU READY????
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Post by: baddog on August 24, 2005, 08:12:10 pm
jmnaseum -- Was that a question or a statement? Has she transferred or not? Will she play for HSU? For McM? For the Globetrotters?
And, if so, it is of no real interest as to why. OK, yes, maybe a little morbid curiosity -- but it is her business and I can leave it at that.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on August 26, 2005, 03:29:20 pm
baddog -- just a tongue in cheek comment ( I even included a winky smiley face)

Pre-Season predictions

UMHB
McM
HPU
HSU

The other four can finish in any order
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on August 26, 2005, 04:40:54 pm
HPU won't finish 3rd not even overall in the conference:

HPU
UMHB
HSU
McM
TLU
CUA
SRS
SU
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Post by: baddog on August 26, 2005, 07:10:33 pm
jmnaseum --Yep. Saw the wink. Didn't know why you meant even by that. Glad you weren't flirting. :P

Anyone -- Any confirmation about West at HSU?
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Post by: dballa on August 26, 2005, 09:55:50 pm
if the HSU website is up to date as far as the players for HSU...it's not true because she's not on there.
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Post by: baddog on August 27, 2005, 04:04:45 pm
Thanks, but as far as I can tell it only has returners listed.
Example -- I met the parents of a freshman woman bball player (from Highland -- a suburb of Roscoe) in the store where I workand her name is not listed either.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on September 03, 2005, 12:47:05 am
I have also heard that West went to HSU, but we'll see, no one is ever guaranteed spots till after preseason gets going good. I hear Coach Briggs works em pretty hard. Sonya has sat out a year, you have to REALLY want to play, I think, to get back in shape.  I bet rosters won't be out for another month. Right now conditioning and seeing the new players in action is happening. Anything can happen. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on September 06, 2005, 10:32:39 am
I wonder how the UMHB, Schreiner, UT Dallas,  Le Tourneau teams are looking with the new coaches?  (thats alot of new faces -- retention is as hard for the coaches as it is for the players!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on September 07, 2005, 10:56:12 pm
I heard Wurzbach not coming back to UMHB only one of the really tall posts is back, and thank goodness Lisa Martinez is a senior.  Think the new coach really has her work cut out for her. I think she will have a hard time controlling Martinez.   She loves to "whine" and dine officials. Surely Schreiner will have some wins, I predicted they would last year, and I bet they have more than one this year. The coach will be the difference there. Haven't heard anything about Concordia or TLU recruits. Saving my predictions until it gets closer to season starting, will watch some scrimmages and first couple games maybe before saying whom I think will be the best in the west.
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Post by: Rob Don on September 19, 2005, 04:56:52 pm
Had to get on here and test out the new "setup".  Pretty Nice I think.

 :) :) Lets Go Jackets!!! :D :D
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Post by: dsc on September 19, 2005, 08:15:59 pm

FYI...

Just in case any one has not confirmed the rumor.

West is listed on the HSU 2005-6 roster!
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Post by: dballa on September 19, 2005, 09:43:14 pm
Noticed that earlier, should be interesting to see how she does after sitting out a year.  I know she won't enjoy visiting Brownwood, no HSU players ever do :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on September 20, 2005, 08:38:39 am
Heck, nobody in the world likes going to Brownwood! ;D
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Post by: mcmfan on September 21, 2005, 01:06:47 pm
Hey, Brownwood does have Underwood's!
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Post by: inthepaint on September 22, 2005, 03:37:09 pm
 :-\ And Underwoods would be a reason for or against going to Brownwood?
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Post by: baddog on September 22, 2005, 09:35:15 pm
 :o Underwoods?  I have heard many of the people who work there  say, as the old HPU chant goes, (just before they lose to HSU), "Over-rated."
That place would trail Joe Allen's, Harlow's, Turnerhills, Betty Rose's, and Harold's! Not even closely.
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Post by: dballa on September 22, 2005, 10:06:27 pm
I haven't heard a lot of over rated chants going on at HPU before they LOSE to HSU...I've heard a lot of them go on while they are blowing HSU out in Brownwood...but being from Brownwood...Underwoods is really good food..but there are other restaurants worth eating at too...and everybody has their tastes...some of the ones you named...probably wouldn't be on the map with other restaurants either.
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Post by: Rob Don on September 23, 2005, 02:53:29 pm
Awe!  The "over-rated" chant.  How I love it!
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Post by: Ralph Turner on October 05, 2005, 09:09:40 am
Midnight Madness at McMurry

Nine days, fifteen hours and 51 minutes and counting! 8)
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Post by: inthepaint on October 08, 2005, 11:23:08 pm
Ralph!  I was wondering what happened to you.  Good to see your first post of the new ASC season! :D
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Post by: dballa on October 14, 2005, 04:39:24 pm
This may be really old news but did i read it right that Tara Rohde is going to be an assistant coach at Concordia?  With her experience and talent she'll definitely help out with their post players.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on October 16, 2005, 07:46:54 am
Midnight Madness at McMurry was a great success!  Lots of students, faculty and alums were present!

The Lady Indians did not practice, but will open their practices on Monday, if I heard correctly (19 week thing!). Coach Nichols pulled some great talent this year.  They seem to be even stronger than last year!
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Post by: fanstand on October 16, 2005, 11:44:36 pm
The preseason poll picks should come out this week, if I am not mistaken.  Wonder who will be at the top of the list? Top three teams should cover a 90 mile stretch. It will be interesting to see what order they place them in.  I've got my picks about ready.  Would like to catch a couple of scrimmages before making predictions.  I am ready for basketball games...........to begin..................
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Post by: Phife on October 20, 2005, 07:17:38 pm
HSU is my pick for the top team in the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on October 20, 2005, 08:02:14 pm
I don't think HSU gets 1st pick in polls this year, losing Diana and losing twice to McM, I think that HPU will get the rank of #1 in the preseason polls, they have the target on their backs this year. I think McM and HSU get second and third, depends on which poll and who is voting. Mary Hardin Baylor gets 4th, but Lisa Martinez will be picked preseason player of the year, because of her numbers from the past 3 years.  I'm not saying I agree with the polls (if they even come out that way), but polls don't really matter, they just make the underdog want to play harder. Anybody else have an opinion?
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Post by: dballa on October 20, 2005, 08:48:16 pm
Your picks are probably right on.  Should be an interesting race this year but HPU should have an inside track on everybody.  They have a lot of talent, experience and some new players that will have big roles this year.  If McMurry got some outside shooting they should be tough this year, and you never can count out HSU.  I don't know how well UMHB will do this year, depends on if they got some guard play as well.  Martinez may be preseason player of the year but my vote is for Daniels for HPU.  She was a major impact player off the bench last year and on just about every other team in this conference would have been a starter. 

GO LADY JACKETS!!   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 21, 2005, 04:43:54 am
this evening i got word that preseason polls for the ASC should be released Wed Oct 26th.  They would probably have done it sooner but some people were late turning in their ballots.  So we should get a look at where teams are ranked really soon
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2005, 08:51:42 am
dballa, thanks for the word onthe pre-season poll.  I agree with your assessment.  McM and Coach Nichols brought in some good talent this year.  It should be interesting.
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Post by: jmnaseum on October 23, 2005, 11:31:24 am
dballa-- wasn't Martinez for HSU a senior lst year?
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Post by: dballa on October 23, 2005, 11:57:49 am
Hey jmnaseum sorry should have made that a little more clear.  I meant Lisa Martinez from UMHB. 
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Post by: jmnaseum on October 24, 2005, 09:04:07 am
Both of the girls can play!
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Post by: dballa on October 26, 2005, 02:36:52 pm
Well there you have it the rankings for this year.  In the West there's no real surprises as to who the top 4 are but there can be questions as far as where they should be ranked within that top 4. 

ASC EAST DIVISION
Rank Team (first place votes) Points
1. Texas-Tyler (9) 150
2. Mississippi College (10) 149
3. Austin College (2) 118
4. Louisiana College 104
5. East Texas Baptist 92
6. Texas-Dallas 61
7. Univ. of the Ozarks 56
8. LeTourneau 23
ASC East Preseason Player of the Year:
Shamonica Shead, G, Jr., Texas at Tyler

ASC WEST DIVISION
Rank Team (first place votes) Points
1. Hardin-Simmons (8 ) 122
2. Howard Payne (5) 116
3. McMurry (3) 109
4. Mary Hardin-Baylor 86
5. Concordia-Austin (1) 69
6. Texas Lutheran 56
7. Sul Ross State 33
8. Schreiner 21
ASC West Preseason Player of the Year:
Lisa Martinez, F, Sr., Mary Hardin-Baylor
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on October 26, 2005, 10:26:20 pm
Well I am surprised. Disappointed, but polls don't really always tell the story. I really expected HPU to be at #1, but I shouldn't be too shocked that HSU gets that spot, I don't think that's where it'll be at the end of the season. I at least got the top three teams right and the POY, don't know if I agree with that either, but her numbers and her role on the team for the last three years does give her the edge over Meia Daniels at HPU.  Meia did a good job, but only a freshman, and Tarra Richardson put up some impressive numbers as a freshman at McM, so I think the upper classman has the "seniority". Had McM beat HPU in the tourney, Tarra might have been freshman of the year.  Didn't I hear MC player is coming back? Lacey Pallmorez? She was really good if I remember right. Thought she might be POY in the East.  Just a couple of more weeks and we will actually see some action.
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Post by: dballa on October 26, 2005, 10:43:27 pm
I hear you, i figured with how well HPU played in the conference tourney and with the players they have coming back they would be #1 as well.  HSU has a few good players coming back but none that are dominating like they've had in the past.  You're right about Daniels and Richardson not getting the vote because of age, but they definitely will be battling it out the next few yrs.

I really don't know much about the East but hopefully we'll have a lot of the East side followers reporting in.  HPU has a couple scrimmages coming up, one against TSU, so we'll see how the new players are fitting in with the program.

Should be a very exciting year and just might go down to the final games of the year.
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Post by: inthepaint on October 27, 2005, 01:12:38 pm
Those poll rankings provide a little preseason fuel for the fires that will rage throughout the season.
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Post by: Rob Don on October 27, 2005, 10:30:19 pm
I am a little shocked that HSU was placed at #1.  They have been the best in past years; but still?  I'd expect their inability to make it to the conference finals game to be a valid strike against their "superiority".  But they didn't ask me!  :)

Go Howard Payne!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: calhsu on October 28, 2005, 01:22:12 pm
There is no question that HSU was rated #1 because of past history.  And of course it means nothing.  I have no idea what this team is going to be like.  The addition of West is not going to hurt them unless she disrupts team chemistry.   I am curious with the large group of freshmen on the roster if there is a quality player in the bunch.  When the Cowgirls have been dominant they have had a go to person.  I didn't see them having that last year. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 03, 2005, 08:59:15 pm
Just got back from the HPU scrimmage against Dallas Christian.  Our ladies are looking quicker and more aggressive on defense than they ever have.  Their match up zone is looking good.  There will be a lot of teams shooting under 20% this year.  Offense is looking good but still needs a lot of work.  HPU will definitely be a lot deeper this year than in past years.  Should be a fun year to watch. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2005, 01:29:58 am
Congratulations to Tara Richardson on the Pre-season 3rd team All-American Team selection!

Lisa Hernandez Martinez earned a 4th team bid!

Thanks for catching that, cover2! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cover2 on November 08, 2005, 12:47:04 pm
Ralph:  I think you mean Lisa Martinez!!
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Post by: mcmfan on November 08, 2005, 10:31:12 pm
It seems to me HSU has a good line up, though I suspect how it works out depends on how all the players jell together.  Sonya West was a star on our McM team two years ago, and Magna Green looked really good on the HSU team when she started two years ago (I think she was injured last year because I don't remember her playing).  These two could well make up for the loss of Diana Martinez.  Of course, I'm hoping we at McM have a better line up, but only time will tell.
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Post by: baddog on November 09, 2005, 07:15:54 am
mcmfan -- You are correct. Only time (the season, playing, etc.) will tell. Preseason is for dreaming. The season is for reality.
Magna injured her knee early in the season last year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 09, 2005, 05:26:49 pm
Defintely was suprised by the All-American picks with Lisa Martinez who is preseason ASC All-Conference player of the year and only getting a fourth team nod and Tara Richardson getting a third team nod just seems a little fishy someone might have stuffed the ballot. I do think Tara Richardson has the potential, but isn't on the same level as Martinez.
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Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2005, 12:30:55 pm
That's an interesting theory, but since the two play different positions, they were never up against each other for positioning. They were compared against other players at the same spot.
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Post by: sethhpu on November 13, 2005, 01:05:38 am
I didn't know that was the way it (preseason all-american) was selected, my apologies for the theory, but since we are on the subject, Mr. Coleman, who is the better player between the two?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 13, 2005, 03:13:41 pm
I don't think you can compare the two because they are different players.  I think it depends on who brings more to their team and for what reason. Lisa Martinez (IMO) is a vocal player who demands alot on the floor. She is very much someone who can shoot but is very emotional and sometimes I think is a little too demonstrative. Tarra is very quiet, who gets her job done. She has makes her shots under the bucket and gets rebounds.  She is an excellent shot blocker.  I think it makes a difference also in the "team" and chemistry of the team. Lisa has always had the big girls that UMHB gets the ball into, Tarra has Symbri, probably the best point guard in the ASC. So thats like comparing apples and oranges, both are good just a little different. Even though you didn't ask my opinion. I'll go with Tarra and her surrounding cast.  She is awesome and I bet she has a really good year this year along with the rest of the Lady Indians. Can't wait till Friday and we see some numbers on some of the teams.........it's finally here!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on November 13, 2005, 09:41:16 pm
LC opens up tomorrow night against Northwestern State University in an exhibition game.  It is LC's first chance on the floor against a D-I team and their season opener.  LC looked good against LSU-E in their scrimmage last week.  Hope they have an even better season this year than they did last year.  They have 4 players with knee injuries. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: andrehicks on November 15, 2005, 08:18:58 pm
MHBU STILLS HAS LIFE, WITH A NEW COACH. 7 RETURNING UNDER CLASSWOMEN
A NEW FRESHMEN POST PLAYER AND TOP HOUSTON PLAYER DON'T COUNT THEM OUT
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 15, 2005, 09:26:46 pm
In this conference you can never count any one out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 16, 2005, 11:51:19 pm
Fanstand---what universe are you from?  I could list at least five teams that can not compete for the championship.  For sure there is no clear favorite but it is a joke to say the bottom dwellers of the conference are somehow now goint to beat the top tier teams.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 17, 2005, 01:53:46 am
Excuse me.....calhsu, let me make myself a little clearer. In this conference you better not count any one out. I didn't say they could win the championship, but on any given day anyone can be beaten by ANYONE. You better bring your "A" game everytime. I probably see 3 basketball games a week (yes, I have a life), I just happen to enjoy basketball season. I have followed this conference closely for 6 years and games aren't always won by the ones who are suppose to win. Ask your football team! Teams let their guard down on games they think are easy, sometimes they recover, sometimes they don't, sometimes they look ahead and get beat by someone they shouldn't.  There is talent on every team and you better be ready is all I am saying.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 17, 2005, 11:48:26 am
Just had to get the football comment in didn't you.   Well that proves my point.  In the last ten years how many times has HSU football been beat by anyone in the lower tier of the conference.  It has not happened.  The loss to TLU is as close as it comes to that, and TLU is the middle of the pack not a bottom group.   And by the way I never made any personal comments concerning you in the post.  My comments are about saying that teams that are year in and year out bad don't beat the top teams.  Over a period of years they can build the program and after a couple of years winning the big games is possible. 
I do not doubt you know the players more than I do.  Being in California I haven't made a HSU basketball game in thirty years.  But for at least the last ten years I have known about every game in the conference on the day of its being played,  when the Cowgirls are on radio I listen.  Not once have they ever lost to a team that is not at least in the top four of the conference.     Facts I do know and the wins and losses are not in question.   
Of course they do have to play the game.  And on a given night with bad officials,  injuries,  poor shooting an upset could happen.  HSU,  HPU,  MHB,  McMurry can beat each other at any time.  But I can tell you right now Sul Ross is not going to beat HSU this year.  They could have  a better team this year and play a good game with them.  But it would take at least two years before they could make that kind of step. 
HSU football and women's basketball lose more game than they did five years ago.  I don't think they are worst than they use to be,  other teams have improved their programs. 
I have no idea if the Cowgirls have championship quality yet.   But they are not going to drop to the bottom in one year.  Anymore than losing teams are going to the top in one year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 17, 2005, 06:31:53 pm
You asked me what universe I was from? I took that personal, that implied I might be out of touch (alienated?) I was just trying to clarify what I meant by not counting teams out in this conference.  Who would of thought that last year HPU women would lose to TLU in their final game and the tourney came to Abilene. I wasn't calling the football team losers, I think they were looking ahead to the playoffs, sure it was a good game, you know stuff happens, you just can't let your guard down ever..........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 17, 2005, 09:20:25 pm
point taken....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 17, 2005, 09:34:26 pm
"Anymore than losing teams are going to the top in one year."

Are you sure?  It seems to me HSU volleyball was run over by everyone last year, and this year they made the ASC tournament!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 17, 2005, 09:56:19 pm
That team is exactly what I am speaking about.
2002 the volleyball team couldn't beat anyone.  The fact is in 2003 and 2004 they had records of 8-18 and 9-17 (technically a losing team but not a bottom team.) then this year they win west.  In a year or two they might be ready for the NCAA big dance.  But it was a  process of more than one season.  In other words they didn't  go from last to first in one season.   

I know that happens  in professional sports often.  Sometimes even in high  school.   

This horse has been beaten to death.

On a real basketball note,the trimmed down roster for HSU is now complete with new pictures of all the ladies.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on November 18, 2005, 01:05:45 am
Such heated conversation!!! I Like it!!!  :)

But lets not get too carried away...

"But I can tell you right now Sul Ross is not going to beat HSU this year." (calhsu)

Now I completely agree that HSU is much better than Sul Ross.  The chances of taking a lost to Sul Ross is very small.  But lets not start making promises!!!  Have you ever been to Sul Ross???  That's like WAY west Texas!  And everybody knows that the trip there always takes a toll on players.  Lots of teams have trouble playing there..even HSU. 

Who had a comfortable win at home vs Sul Ross (82-50 last season) but when going to Sul Ross won 70-65.  I would have to say that that game was very much a win-able game for either team.  But hey... what do i know?

GO HOWARD PAYNE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on November 18, 2005, 07:36:32 am
fanstand -- calhsu's point (I think) was that, even though "on any given day . . .", it is rare when a lower echelon team is going to seriously challenge a top 1 or 2 team in the league for a win.
Using your football example ( and, come on, sure you intended the cheap shot):
UMHB was beaten by HPU (not the champs, but certainly not on the level of AC or MC)
HSU was beaten by TLU (again, not the champs, but not of the lower echelon and, arguably, they were not performing up to their expected level of play until the last game of the season).
If you are a gambler, that is the way to bet. Will you lose every now and then? Sure. But in the long run you'll make money.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 18, 2005, 11:03:06 am
Thanks for making the point I was trying to make. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 18, 2005, 05:54:11 pm
I agree with most of what was said and those points are also well taken.  It was not a cheap shot though. It is unfair that because I support a certain team you think comments on others are spiteful, I have supported other teams in this conference and have attended lots of games and supported HSU, MCM, HPU in more than just basketball and football. There are many intangibles in the game of baskeball, home court advantage, homer officials, and I say the underdog is a dangerous foe. I was just trying to stir things up till the season started. Mission accomplished!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on November 18, 2005, 07:20:46 pm
i agree with you fanstand, and thanks for the stir! makes things more interesting.  :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 18, 2005, 09:46:32 pm
HPU defeated Clarkson 65-50 tonight in the Hunter College tournament.

They will play against Hunter in the final tomorrow who beat Mt St Vincent
64-45.

Looks like it might be a good final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 18, 2005, 10:11:34 pm
Ralph looks like your McMurry women started it off right tonight.

They beat Southwestern 84-50
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on November 18, 2005, 10:25:25 pm
Way to go JACKETS!!!  Good job girls!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 18, 2005, 10:31:48 pm
a few stats from HPU's game, didn't have the full box score yet.

HPU scoring:  Hoertz 13 Blalock 13 Daniels 12 and Hoffman 10 leading scorers

HPU shot 50% from 3 point land and out rebounded Clarkson 38-26.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2005, 10:47:19 pm
Thanks, dballa!  I haven't seen the box score, but haven't both McMurry and HPU handle the Lady Pirates with regularity over the last few season?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on November 19, 2005, 12:13:51 am
thanks for all the info Dballa.  i reckon we wont have a box score till tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 19, 2005, 12:59:03 am
Ralph you are right McMurry and HPU have both beaten them pretty easily...It will be interesting to see how HPU does against Hunter College in the final.  They have a lot of tradition there and should make for an interesting game. 

I noticed Trinity already got beat so it definitely does look like they are down a little bit this year. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 19, 2005, 04:16:43 am
ETBU Ladies beat Jarvis by about 30.   90 Something to 60 something.  Sorry I dont have more.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 19, 2005, 11:47:26 am
An interesting article in today's Abilene Reporter News on the HSU women's team at
http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_basketball/article/0,1874,ABIL_7991_4251758,00.html
Like most ARN articles, though, it should be taken with a grain of salt.  It describes McM stopping HSU in the conference tournament last year and then says McM was dealt a "crushing blow" in the off season with the transfer of Sonya West to HSU.  The implication is that Sonya was the key to that win, when, in fact, she wasn't even playing for McM last year.  And even though she's described as the only senior on the HSU team this year, just a few lines further down her fellow teammate Henley is described as a "6-foot senior center" (Henley is, in fact, a junior, so the article got it right the first time).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2005, 12:13:24 pm
McMfan, you are right about the improvement by the Lady Indians from 16-9 in 2003-04 with Sonya West to 19-9 and a trip to the ASC Tourney finals for the 19-9 2004-05 version.

McMurry was also able to defeat HSU twice last season after going winless against the Cowgirls since 2000.

Coach Nichols has done a great job of recruiting to fill the void of Sonya's leaving.  I wish Sonya well, but it looks like McMurry is stronger since since left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 19, 2005, 01:11:24 pm
I saw most of the McM-Southwestern game, but left 9 minutes before the end to go to a student music recital.  McM was holding a margin of around 20 at that point.  Tarra Richardson, the main scorer, was a bit flat at the start, but the team scored anyway from the other players until she got into her stride.  There appeared to be a nice spread of talent, not a team based on just one superstar.  There are some good new faces.  Of course, since Southwestern plays HSU tonight, I'm sure there will be comparisons of both teams (McM, HSU) up here tomorrow based on how both teams performed against a common opponent.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 19, 2005, 05:47:19 pm
This is in the form of a question and I am not suggesting anything from the question. 
Ralph you stated that MCM seems to have recurited well enough to more than replace the loss of S. West.  The results of last year of course bear that out.
My question is, is MCM glad she is gone and was she bad element on the squad.  I have no reason to ask that, just wondering. 
Finally,  would MCM be better this year if she was finishing with them instead of HSU.
I'm sure others will have opinions concerning this.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 19, 2005, 06:04:12 pm
HPU defeated Hunter College 88-62 in the final of the Hunter College tournament.  Great win for the Lady Jackets.  Don't have the numbers yet but by that score the offensive numbers were very good.  Can't wait to see them play in conference play.

GO JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 19, 2005, 07:39:40 pm
I am watching the HSU game on the gametracker.
Sonya is showing that she is back.  14 points in the beginning of the second half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 19, 2005, 08:12:28 pm
2:00 left in the game HSU 66 SW 62 according to the gametracker.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 19, 2005, 08:24:59 pm
looks like a final HSU 74 SW 69  not quite the blowout McMurry enjoyed the night before.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 19, 2005, 08:27:28 pm
HSU played a terrible second half.  Lots of turnovers.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 19, 2005, 08:32:59 pm
West had 16 points and more important 15 rebounds.

Well I don't know if the Indians needed her but it seems that the Cowgirls certainly did.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 19, 2005, 08:35:28 pm
Can anyone explain why my post number has been stuck at 62 for a long time?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2005, 08:47:00 pm
Calhsu, I honestly could not give you an answer on the "Chemistry" question.  I do know that Sonya West's departure definitely left a big opening on the team, and Coach Nichols had plenty of minutes that he could offer to new recruits.

I anticipate that Sonya West can almost average double-doubles this year.  I just want the ASC to make the Final Four!

Of course, Southwestern had the chance to get the first game jitters out of their system.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 19, 2005, 09:33:50 pm
Ralph I was hoping this was  "first game gitters."

I hope you remember me from last year.  When the change in the website came I went from my name to CalHSU.  I'm still Larry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on November 19, 2005, 11:18:03 pm
Great Job Howard Payne!!!!  Nice start for your season!  26 piece er der der der!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 20, 2005, 02:22:06 am
I was able to catch both games this weekend. I must choose my words carefully, as  not to sound completely prejudicial. I am trying to make sure I give a fair assesment to both teams. McM looks pretty dang good. They finished strong, they played everybody, and looked like they were enjoying the game and saw flashes of really, really good stuff. HSU started off strong, causing turnovers, and taking a commanding lead. After the first half they slowed down and SW really adjusted well. Starters played most of the game, several players didn't even get on the floor. HSU got frustrated and tired and did not finish strong. I don't think they were very happy with their performance. West and Henley got the ball alot tonite inside and made good shots, but SW didn't post up well. The season in only beginning and there is room for improvements. Sounds like HPU had quite the shooting night, so I think the target is still on their backs. The stretch between Abilene and Bwood will be hot on nights they play each other. Don't know, could be very interesting!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 20, 2005, 11:11:25 pm
fanstand,  your read on the game sounds "fair and balanced"   
Seasons are not made in the first weekend.  They are made by the adjustments from what you learn from the first weekend.  No adjustments---no victories.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2005, 01:47:12 am
Can anyone explain why my post number has been stuck at 62 for a long time?

It isn't stuck. Read again.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 21, 2005, 11:41:03 am
I'm sorry I just figured  how it works.

Sorry the only computers we had when I was in college were for punch hole cards.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: whitebutterflies on November 21, 2005, 08:30:12 pm
News flash

Lisa Martinez doesnt play for UMHB anymore.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 21, 2005, 09:06:57 pm
Really? Since when? That's a pretty bold announcement whitebutterflies, did she transfer or what. Last I saw she was on the roster........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2005, 11:28:17 pm
Lisa Martinez is the feature story on the UMHB web site!

http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/lcbasketball/default.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 21, 2005, 11:40:13 pm
That article is 17 days old.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 22, 2005, 05:39:41 pm
She is not listed on the UMHB roster at http://www.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/lcbasketball/roster.htm.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 22, 2005, 07:54:40 pm
Sometime today the roster changed and Lisa Martinez and Latrice Hutchins the only two seniors are no longer on the UMHB roster.  I don't know what happened, we could speculate on a lot of things. For two to leave the program, I suspect a difference in coaching philosphy. Maybe someone with some knowledge will let us know, maybe we'll never know. Thats a tough break for UMHB.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 22, 2005, 08:03:10 pm
Read where Schreiner beat TLU in overtime. What say you calhsu? I'm telling you, better watch those "lower" half teams they have a way of sneaking up on you. Schreiner 2-0 for the last two games! They scored 97 points, its still early in the season, but most teams just get stronger.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 22, 2005, 11:59:21 pm
ETBU beat LSUS tonight at home.  I think the final was 80-65 or something like that.  Lady Tigers put 6 players in double figures.  Very good things from the Ladies so far this season.  2-0


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 23, 2005, 12:17:23 pm
Please,  beating TLU is not beating a upper team.  It is how a bottom team starts bringing itself up.  When they beat HSU, HPU, MCM,  then tell me I was wrong.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on November 23, 2005, 06:52:57 pm
How about the two UMHB seniors quitting, anyone hear anything yet?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 23, 2005, 08:57:59 pm
So if they quit before their season started do you give the preseason honors to someone else?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 26, 2005, 04:07:15 pm
Any scores yet today?? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 26, 2005, 04:52:23 pm
HSU 59 UTTyler 54...anybody have anything else at all?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 26, 2005, 05:53:54 pm
CUA 49 AC 48

Ozarks 75 UMHB 69
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 26, 2005, 06:51:43 pm
HPU 65 LC 55
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 26, 2005, 07:53:54 pm
McMurry by 20 over UT-D.  I missed the Women's game due to family gatherings...Thanksgiving! ;D

Reports were that they Lady Indians played well!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 26, 2005, 08:48:32 pm
The McM-UTD game was pretty close in the first half; McM pulled ahead in the second.  We need to work on our 3-point shots; we got only one in the whole game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 27, 2005, 04:32:39 pm
Even though we went 1-9 outside, UTD went 1-12 and it's their gym. Sometimes you live or die by the three point, I know there will be games they will all fall, and games where there is Saran wrap around the bucket. The two good things I like seeing in the games is we are getting on track in the first half and in the second half is when things seem to click. Someone different steps up and makes a difference in the ballgame, and you never know who that is going to be. You have some steady play for one or two, then someone different surprises you. And the second thing is everybody is playing some. That makes for a smiling bench and depth experience. I'm liking what we've been seeing so far. Still too early. Every game is a challange and is important.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on November 28, 2005, 07:12:23 pm
Halftime McM ladies 42 UT Tyler 29
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 28, 2005, 08:28:54 pm
AC 43 UMHB 41 Final
Ozarks 63 CUA 58 Final

Any other finals for tonight?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 28, 2005, 09:11:08 pm
Mcm 92 Ut tyler 70  something, can't remember. Tarra had 32 points, 15 rebounds, 7 blocked shots.  Maigen Sawyer had over 20 pts. Carli Engelke 10 pts., Pretzel hit a big three. We did much better from the outside. Had 9 blocks. Good job for McM lady indians.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on November 28, 2005, 09:53:15 pm
Final:

HSU---81
UTD---72

HSU is 3-0...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2005, 10:13:23 pm
McM 92, UT-Tyler 77.  McM 3-0 in region and on the season.  2-0 in Conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 28, 2005, 10:55:23 pm
MC 77 HPU 68
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on November 29, 2005, 12:04:00 am
ETBU 76  TLU 59  ETBU is 4-0 heading into the HSU and MCM.  Guess we will find out what the Tigers have next week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on November 29, 2005, 05:38:22 pm
I'm surprised at the HPU loss.  This should prove to be an exciting season right up to the conference tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2005, 06:57:18 am
Paint, I think that I would have been surprised by a loss to MC in Brownwood.  Clinton is a tough road trip.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 30, 2005, 01:13:57 pm
They just weren't focused it seems.  Gave up too many 2nd chance points and missed 16 of 30 free throws.  That will lose a game every time.  They'll come back strong this weekend for sure. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on November 30, 2005, 02:53:21 pm
Or maybe, just maybe, MC is a better team.  I agree with Ralph, a loss at home would have been the real surprise.  We'll see how things "play out."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 30, 2005, 03:03:04 pm
They aren't a better team they just played better that day. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on November 30, 2005, 10:04:52 pm
MC is always tough at home. They have Lacey Pallmorez-Kennedy back. So HSU jumps 7 spots and Mcm loses points in the polls. That proves polls aren't nada.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2005, 11:33:58 pm
matalk, I think we see 2 different poll dynamics operating.

For HSU, they are in the Top 25 and are now floating up.  It takes a win over a superior team for a school to jump much out of the poll pecking order.  What usually happens is that a higher ranked team will lose and then drop 4-10 spots.  HSU and the others will float up to fill that vacuum.

For McMurry, we have been out of the polls consistently since 2000.  We are on the radar screen and are undefeated.  As the ranks of the undefeated dwindle, we will hang around with the other RV's (Receiving Votes and Winnebago is the name of an Indian tribe  ;) )  until we demonstrate our ability to warrant a "Top 25", like beating HSU.

HSU is in the Top 25 because of reputation.  They have not done much to lose the reputation of being a quality program.  Even 2003 Champion Trinity and the 2005 playoff team HPU are receiving fewer votes than McMurry.  2005 national runner-up Randolph-Macon lost at home to #13 Springfield and fell 8 slots.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 01, 2005, 11:22:46 am
Of course the polls mean nothing at this time of the year.  Yes you like them if your in them,  but  ETBU and McMurry will have their chance.  Perhaps tonight.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 01, 2005, 02:49:59 pm
They aren't a better team they just played better that day. 

Dballa, on what grounds do you make that claim?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on December 01, 2005, 04:19:51 pm
Reputation does seem to be propelling the HSU women, at least a little.  Scores against common opponents thus far would lead one to believe that McM might indeed have the inside track in the ASC West this year--at least thus far.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 01, 2005, 04:54:59 pm
So I should think they are better because they've won 1 game out of the last 5 against HPU and after HPU had a long trip to NY, then a holiday break, then a trip to LC then on to MC right after that?  If both teams make the ASC tourney and MC beats HPU there I will say they are the better team.

HPU gave up 14 2nd chance points to only 4 for themselves and missed 16 free throws.  They beat themselves by missing free throws and not rebounding.  Don't worry that will be fixed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 01, 2005, 07:16:59 pm
Dec 1

Half:

HSU  44

ETBU 37
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 01, 2005, 08:11:04 pm
Final:  (Per Gametracker)

HSU  83

ETBU 63

Go Cowgirls!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 01, 2005, 08:36:42 pm
Tonight HSU had the second half they have been looking for.   I noticed in the HSU pregame material they are already playing up the MCmurry showdown.  Seem like 2000 all over again right Ralph.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on December 01, 2005, 08:54:20 pm
dballa -- The issue is not winning one out of the last five. That is historical review. Those were those teams.
Rather, it is the simple matterof winning/losing one of the one -- so far -- this year. How else are you going to gauge it? Isn't that why the score is kept?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 09:38:36 pm
calhsu, you mean that McMurry is already the burr under the Cowgirls' saddle?

Lady Indians 92,  Lady Jackets 61.  McMurry led by 22 at the half.

Coach Nichols was happy with the defensive adjustments that the team was able to make and come up with a nice win, in the midst of a 4 game in 8 day run.

McMurry had 5 players in double figures and lots of players got minutes.  DeeDee Burton got 12 points off the bench! :)

PG Symbri Tuttle had 13 points and 15 assists.  Solid broad based rebounding by the Lady Indians.  A good outing!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 01, 2005, 11:22:44 pm
HPU 63 AC 50

and baddog like you HSU fans use to say when HPU would beat HSU a few years back, one game doesn't make a season thats why you play more than one.  If they want to say they are better 4 games into the season thats fine but it all pans out in the end.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 01, 2005, 11:48:33 pm
I agree with Baddog.  It makes no difference what previous seasons held as the teams of the past are not playing this season.  HPU may very well be the better team.  I just think its silly to lose yet say the better team did not win.  Maybe, just maybe, HPU played poorly because of what MC was doing on the floor.  Maybe, just maybe, they missed those second half second chances and free throws because the MC girls wore them down.  Again, HPU may, and probably does, have the better team, but so far MC gets the nod.  Just my $.02 worth.

And Ralph, who are the Lady Jackets that lost to McM?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2005, 11:59:37 pm
Paint,  LeTourneau!

http://www.letu.edu/opencms/opencms/_Student-Life/athletics/LadyJackets/Basketball/index.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 02, 2005, 12:56:58 am
Lady Indians had 32 assists tonite and played some really good defense.  LeTourneau plays "bombs away" from the perimeter.  If you don't cover that they are a team that can sneak up on you even with a lead. They don't even touch the rim, nothing but net. Really impressed with Mcmurry's ladies, they are a fun group with lots of enthusiasm. Hope they keep smiling and keep winning!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2005, 09:17:59 am
Lady Indians-Lady Jacket box score

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/wbasketball/luw12105.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 02, 2005, 02:43:24 pm
CALHSU,
2000?  I doubt if anyone remembers that year.  What about February 26, 2005?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 02, 2005, 04:20:03 pm
Couldn't resist the dig could you.  I certainly understand, considering the fact last years victory was one of the very few times that the Indian girls clearly won the year.   The fact I was referring to a year in which not only were the games close but that both teams made the national tournament.
The reason I mentioned the year and Ralph was that he never fails to remind us of that competive year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2005, 05:14:19 pm
 :D ;D ;)

Cahsu, I really believe the 2000 HSU and McM teams were the strongest that the ASC has seen.  I am still convinced that McMurry took HSU's game out of them (and it would have been vice versa), such that the tank was dry for the Regional finals the next night! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2005, 08:55:30 pm
I am using the number of page views on the message boards to gauge the support for the women's conferences.

The most active board is the MIAC in West Region with about 8000 page views.  The MIAC has very good teams and 2 past Women's Champions.

Second is the MAC (Middle Atlantic Corporation), the combined boards for the Commonwealth and Freedom conferences, from the Mid-Atlantic Region.  This board has had about 6800 page views.

The third most active board is the WIAC from the Central Region with 4500+ page views.

The ASC is fourth most active with nearly 4300 page views.  Way to go ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 02, 2005, 11:19:16 pm
And the SCIAC brings up the rear. :-[
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 03, 2005, 01:43:05 pm
CALHSU,
Yeah, it was a dig, but not  big one.  I remember 2000 as an incredible year for women's basketball at McM and HSU, but none of the students do because none of them were here then.  For them, it's history, documented only by the banners in the respective gyms.  For everybody, though, 2004-5 is vivid.  Each of the three HSU-McM games were intense, everything-you've-got contests.  The students at McM want to win some more, and I'm sure the students at HSU want revenge for what happened on Feb. 26.  If past history is any guide, we could be in trouble for the match up on Dec. 12, since it's at McM; we seem to play better against HSU on HSU's home court!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 02:42:41 pm
Just to refresh everyone's memeory of that January game, please go to the 2004-05 season on the McMurry team page and click on the camera icon, or click below.

http://www.d3hoops.com/gallery.php?gallery=36835

The McMurry Athletic Foundation brought Pat Coleman to McMurry for the long weekend.  He posted pictures from the McMurry-TLU and the McM-HSU games, both men and women!

We had a full house for that McM-HSU game.  The Kimbrell Kraizes and some HSU guests had that place rocking.  For any of you high-school-aged lurkers who are reading this, a rocking Kimbrell arena is a great place to be! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 02:51:36 pm
Halftime at Kimbrell!

ETBU closed to a 29-24 deficit and then McMurry went on a 22-4 run.

Halftime McM 51 ETBU 28!

McMurry opened the game with a run of 14-0 to take the score out to 17-3.

Good rebounding by the Lady Indians

First half stats:

ETBU:

Sade' Stewart 13 points.  (Pronounced like the 1980's female rock vocalist)
3FG 3-5, FT 7-8, Turnovers 14, steals 10.

McMurry:

Sawyer 11,
Engelke 14
Tarra Richardson 10 pts and 10 rebs (1 off + 9 def)
Tuttle has 4 pts and 9 assists.

FG 61 %
3FG  4-7 for 57 %
FT 9-14.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 03:06:13 pm
McM 64 ETBU 35  14:45.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 03:13:49 pm
McMurry 68  ETBU 39, 10:49 left.

McMurry is starting to empty the benches and the play is getting sloppy!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 03:25:34 pm
McM 76-50 5:37.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 03:29:51 pm
McM 84-55 3:54 left.  Good play out of the younger players from the deep bench.

Coach Nichols has had 2 great recruiting classes in a row! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 03:40:07 pm
Final McM 86-66.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 03, 2005, 03:43:09 pm
HSU in a romp.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 03, 2005, 03:49:33 pm
ETBU:  Stewart 26 pts and FT 11-11. Slaughter 11, Porter 10, Vallo 9.

FG 19-54 35%; 3FG 5-13 39%; FT 23-26 89%.
Rebs 28 9 off 19 def; Turnover 22.

McM  Engelke 20pts  and 11 rebs; Richardson 12 pts and 15 rebs; Sawyer 14 pts, Tuttle 6pts and 11 assists. and only 2 turnovers.

FG 33-64; 3FG 6-13; FT 14-21 67%; Rebs 45; TO's 23.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 03, 2005, 06:26:07 pm
HPU 74 Ozarks 59
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 03, 2005, 07:24:30 pm
The "romp" was 82-44...HSU Cowgirls!  (Over LeT.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 03, 2005, 08:34:14 pm
Mcmurry looked good today, hope they can relax and then get ready for ol' hsu. Lots of depth. The only thing I can say is I hope the fans pack em' in. Disappointing that more aren't there for the beginning of the game.  I challenge all Mcm fans to be there on the 12th at the START of the women's game for some fun fun. We'll be ready...........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 03, 2005, 08:47:23 pm
fanstand you have to remember...UT was playing in the Big 12 championship game today starting at 12...so most fans were watching that game..then when it got out of hand they started showing up for games.  Same thing happened today in Brownwood and i'm sure everywhere else around the conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 03, 2005, 08:54:42 pm
Thanks dballa didn't think about that because there was signifcant more at the men's game, wondered what the heck was going on.  HPU doing good, poor UMHB 0-5, but for whatever reason the others left, I admire those sticking it out, I'm sure it had something to do with no "I" in team. Prima donna attitudes is something I don't have lots of tolerance for. But that's just a guess at what might have happened.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 04, 2005, 12:35:48 am
I hate to show my age but I'll ask anyway.

Is the MCMurry Kimball gym  the same one they had back in the 70's?  That was one of the worst places I had ever had to watch a sporting event.   I would have to admit that bad impression was mainly because the only time I went over  there it was a loss and it was the only loss the men had to McMurry while I was at HSU.  AT the time we had the likes of Havey Catching and Stedman Graham.  And even though McM had R. Penny they usually no match.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on December 04, 2005, 01:23:26 am
calhsu,  The old Indian Gym was built years ago, I think in the late 20s or early 30s.  In any situation, it had aged and not gracefully.  The miracle is that Coach Kimbrell was alble to recruit good players to come play for McMurry College in those confines.  Some places age and are called "historic'.  Others...... well that is enough said. 

As I recall, regarding the McM - HSU games at that time, McMurry held their own.  It is my recollection that Coach Kimbrell was notified by a "Dear Hershell" letter from the HSU coach, that there were "scheduleing conflicts" as to future games.  Someone may have a better recall than I do, but that is how I remember it. 

As to what used to be, McMurry had a spirtied rival in Abilene Christian College, now known as ACU.  I think those contests were ended in a similar manner. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 04, 2005, 02:04:37 am
Yes I remember that the year before I entered HSU the cowboys had won a game at  Abilene Christian "College" and it was a riotious affair and soon after the HSU coach died of a heart attack.  In the four years I was there we never played men's basketball again with ACC.  (it became ACU during those four years.) 
All I remember of Kimbrell was that it was as close to as hot as "hell" (in the Biblical sense) as I ever wanted to get.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 04, 2005, 02:29:06 am
I dug my yearbook out.  In 72-73 HSU and McM didn't play in 73-74 they split and that was the game I remembered.  According to the year book that was the year the gym was new.   (in 74-75 MCm won both games and 75-76 HSU won both games)  I guess i had selective memory.  I was sports editor for the Brand in 76 and I guess the wins were easier to remember.   
 
I know this is not woman's basketball,  but we have a week to kill.

As far a the future HSU, McMurry contest  I think it will be the most important game for both teams,  at least for the month of December.  Like last year, losing the first game didn't mean HSU's season was over.  It was important for McMurry because it told them they could beat HSU which as I remember they hadn't done since 2000.  This year I think the roles are reversed even though HSU has the ratings in the polls.   If HSU wins they will stay in the polls for the season unless they fall apart.  If HSU loses they will go to a 20 something positon and McMurry will get into the polls.
Then they would both stay in the polls unless someone elses knocks them off.   Which Ralph and I remember was exactly what happened back in the ancient times of 2000.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on December 04, 2005, 02:34:38 am
calhsu,  Old Indian Gym was replaced by the Hunt Center in the mid 70s.  The old gym could not be cooled or heated.  There was no such thing as an unobstructed view of the court.  The floor was less than even.  The locker rooms for home and visitors were yuck.  It was a tough place to play.  The old Rose Field House at HSU was much better.  Bennett Gym at ACC was a little better than what we had at McMurry.  ...... would some people refer to those times as the "good ole days" ???    From what I remember of HPU's place, it is still not so good.   Midwestern University old place was the pits.  You could not recuit players today to play in the old gyms that were available

These may well be better times.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on December 04, 2005, 02:45:31 am
calhsu,  McMurry ladies team shows promise and may have depth that was not present last year.  Coach Nichols is playing about ten people some good minutes each game.  This upcoming contest with HSU may very well be the sternest test in this young season.
Tara Richardson, at post, is maturing, and it sould be pointed out, is getting more help in the paint. 

Teams look evenly matched, well coached, and the game has importance to all concerned.  Can't ask for more.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2005, 10:19:15 am
Calhsu, I too dug out my yearbooks.  This is about the men.  McMurry doesn't have women's hoops yet, a Title IX contribution!

In 1971, HSU is University Division (Pre D-I, D-II, D-III) NCAA and McMurry is NAIA in the Lone Star Conference.

In the 1970-71 season, McM split the series with HSU 87-90 and 84-74.  McM split with  ACC (ACU) 63-73 and 77-73.  McM went 8-10 in the LSC.  The LSC rep SF Austin lost in the Quarterfinals of the 32-team NAIA tourney (held in Kansas City--isn't that a basketball junkie's paradise!).

The old Indian Gym had been built in 1927.  It did not age gracefully.  I remember McM playing HSU with Harvey Catchings and Stedman Graham (Mr Oprah Winfrey) in the Taylor County Coliseum in 1972.  That very young 1971-72 team with LSC Freshman of the Year Rick Penny lost both games to HSU and ACC.  McMurry did not play ACC or HSU in 1972-73.  The  "new" Indian gym- officially the Hunt Health and Physical Education Center with the later designation -Kimbrell Arena-- was opened in 1973-74.  In the 1973-74 series, non-scholarhsip McM split with D1 Hardin-Simmons, 68-76 and 97-93.  McMurry sweeps ACU 98-92 and 98-85.

McMurry gives up scholarship athletics after the 1971-72 season.  They leave the LSC after 1972-73 with a 15-13 /8-10 records, and wander in the wilderness (something called the Texoma Atheltic Conference*) until the founding of the TIAA (Austin College, McMurry College, Sul Ross State, Tarleton State College and Trinity University) in 1976.

*I am not sure whether the Texoma Athletic Conference is the predecessor of the Sooner AC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on December 04, 2005, 08:52:54 pm
So how long do we have to wait to start making our predictions for the game on the 12th? Should we wait till later in the week? THE game is a week away, when does the controversy start? I'm new, so I don't know what the "rules" are.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 04, 2005, 11:18:13 pm
Go ahead matalk.  But I am going to remain quiet! ;)

Go Lady Indians!  Pass your finals! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 05, 2005, 06:48:02 pm
Ralph, looking ahead...will the McM-HSU game be broadcast?  I know HSU has the "Game Tracker" for home games...and broadcast other games later on in the season...

What about McM's home games?  Let us know, please!

...and how to connect.

Thanks.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 05, 2005, 07:39:59 pm
You should be able to hear the McMurry broadcast by going to http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/athleticstwo.htm and then following the directions. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 05, 2005, 10:05:45 pm
Got it!

Thanks, mcmfan...

Both games should be great...and crucial...early in the season for such games!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 05, 2005, 10:29:32 pm
Of course, you may not like the announcers... their blood is very maroon.  You'll get a good blow-by-blow account of the action, but don't expect any objectivity!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2005, 07:14:16 am
Kit and Leon, the McMurry announcers, will acknowledge a really blatant call for McMurry.

But, they bleed Maroon! ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 06, 2005, 07:59:26 pm
The polls are killing me. HSU moves up to 15 in the top 25 and Mcm loses 2 points. We can't get any respect. But that's okay, our time's a comin'. I say Lady Indians gonna take the game on Monday. No predictions by how much, just to prove the polls wrong. Good for the ASC that at least we are represented..........guess we'll find out monday if I'm right or just whining...............
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2005, 10:35:01 pm
Fanstand, the ASC has just not broken thru on the National scene.  HSU has never defeated a non-South Region tourney opponent.

HPU lost a close one to Trinity at home in the first round last year.    Trinity still has respect from the 2003 tourney championship.

http://www.d3hoops.com/terrehaute/03/

Look how "do-able" a Final Four or even a Tourney Finals might have been last year, if HPU had "done it".

http://www.d3hoops.com/vabeach/05/pairings.htm

We think that we have something down here, especially in the ASC-West, but we just have not executed it!

As you said, in due time!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 07, 2005, 12:38:48 am
Fanstand, the ASC has just not broken thru on the National scene.  HSU has never defeated a non-South Region tourney opponent.

////////////////////////////////

Note from dsc...

Ralph what qualifies as a "non-South Region tourney opponent?"

In March, 2004 at  WI/Stevens Point, HSU defeated Eastern Mennonite 91-64 on the way to the Elite Eight.  HSU was also in the "Elite Eight" in 2000, but I was unable to find the names of the teams they beat to get there.

Just curious...not wanting to argue.  Help me!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2005, 08:23:07 am
Good morninig dsc, Eastern Mennonite was the ODAC representative that year, just as Randolph-Macon was last year.

http://www.d3hoops.com/vabeach/04/pairings.htm

HSU got the bye.  Maryville was the Pool B from the GSAC.

There have been 2 participants from the South Region in the Women's Finals in the last 3 years, Trinity in 2003 and Randolph-Macon in 2005.  If we are looking at the South Region from the outside, the ASC teams may win games, but they do not defeat non-South Region teams.

IMHO, defeating great teams at the Elite 8 level and above is the only way to get the "real respect" that some "knee-jerk posters" are seeking.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 07, 2005, 08:46:38 am
Thanks...Ralph!

...for the link/pairings.  I tend to agree with you.  I think I have read on these postings before that many North and East teams have taller and "tougher" players.  However, going to the "Elite Eight"  (more than just once)  is commendable, no matter whom a team  might be playing...in order to get there!

I do believe that HSU can certainly be proud of their results over the past several years!  :D

Go Cowgirls...Beat McMurry!   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 07, 2005, 09:50:20 am
I hate repeating myself but if you don't pay attention.

The polls of course reflect very much the past.  HSU has earned the right for the respect it gets.

And as I said before, if MCM wins they will get in the polls. HSU will stay in the polls at a lower level but remain as long as they don't loss other games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2005, 10:00:32 am
dsc, I am proud of the accomplishments of HSU (once we have settled each year's contests in conference play  ;)  ;) :D).

But most ASC fans, especially from our exposure nationally on the football side, should have an understanding about how good a team has to be to get to the national level.

IMHO, the ASC-West is about 1/2 player shy each year.  I have listened to the HSU-McM/ and the HSU-St Thomas game in 2000 (St Thomas finishes 4th overall), the HSU-Guilford game in 2002 (SCAC representative DePauw finished 3rd in 2002 out of another part of the bracket), the 2003 Trinity-HSU game (Trinity won the tourney), and  the 2004 HSU-UWSP game (UWSP won the tourney in 2004).

In 2005, Trinity defeated the HPU Lady Jackets 57-55 in the Brownwood Mausoleum  :( , only to lose at Randolph-Macon in OT.  Randolph-Macon gets blown out in the National finals.

We have seen up-close-and-personal what it takes to get to the finals or to win.

I just hope we get there this year! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 07, 2005, 10:04:48 am
Every year there are fans who think their teams are strong because they play really well in the early part of the season.  They may even have perfect records after a few weeks of cross conference play.  These fans conclude that their teams are among the strongest in the nation and deserve a high ranking in the polls.  They conclude that since they don't get the ranking they hoped for then the teams are getting no respect.  Ralph is right!  ASC teams must go deep into the playoffs if they ever expect to get ranked in a poll.  HSU has proven their ability to consistently move beyond the first or second round of post season play, which gives them help in the polls but does not help other conference teams.  HPU's quick exit last year did not help the ASC's reputation.  Bottom line is simple - someone is going to have to go to the final four for the ASC to get more national recognition.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2005, 04:39:40 pm
Paint, I agree with your quick exit comment about HPU in 2005.

In football, we have had the South Region champion three times: HSU twice and UMHB.  Our football teams get one-two strong teams in the Top 10-15 without much question each season.  The pollsters know that the ASC #1 will be Top 5-7;  the ASC #2 will #5-15 most seasons because the teams and the conference have earned it.

If HPU had won the 2005 South Region, then they would have made the Elite 8 and the ASC champion (HPU in 2005) would be judged as Elite 8 material, again.  Were that to happen again in 2006, then the conference would be known as that strong.  Otherwise, last year's perfomance might be judged by an outsider as an off-year for HSU, when several of us thought that the Lady Jackets were a very strong team!

The ASC's reputation is being carried by HSU (and I would love for McMurry to change that ! ;D :D ;) )
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 07, 2005, 07:26:39 pm
GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let me set my record straight! I did not say HSU did not deserve to be in the polls.. Yes I understand that their record and name recognition gets them some of that and in the beginning of the year until they lose they will be there....got it. My point was Mcm has played the same 5 teams and have won by +119 points, HSU has won by +77 and we keep losing votes. I didn't say McM was the top in the nation, the season is young and we have a long way to go. And unlike calhsu and Mr. Turner, I see the games from the stands not on the radio, I see intangibles, interaction with the coaches and players, players with players, things the radio doesn't SEE. I have seen both teams play. Last year after the tournament in Georgetown, I talked about HPU and the difference in the team than the year's past, I was right. I could have predicted what happened at UMHB with Lisa Martinez just because I SEE what goes on, on the court, on the bench, yada yada yada. Am I an expert? H*** No. But I do have an opinion, and I know girls...........raised some myself and I see that you can play with skills, but there is a raw emotion that can make or break you.  So IMHO, means my opinion is humble, can't say that about everyone else. And Mr. Turner, I thought we were on the same team. But Lord have mercy, I won't mention the polls again!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2005, 08:08:18 pm
Fanstand, we are on the same team!     :) :)   We have a young team that still has never played an NCAA game!   I don't like playing the "we don't get no respect" game, because I continue to be amazed by the people who define themselves and their success by their own incredible standards of truth or excellence.

(The 2005 Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology, Barry Marshall, was a young doctor in his late 20's who imagined that stomach ulcers could be caused by bacteria.

http://nobelprize.org/medicine/laureates/2005/index.html

That was going against the conventional wisdom, because every research scientist in the field was trying to figure out how to treat them by decreasing stomach acid production (Pepsid and Zantac). )


I don't want this team defining itself by or becoming enamored with a poll number.  "Look how good we are !  We got "x" number votes!"

I want the Lady Indians focused on winning one game at a time.  Besides, Pat Coleman may be the only voter who has seen the Indians and that was last year's team!

I'll admit that polls are fun.  I will follow them myself, but I really like this team.  I believe you about the chemistry and the drive.  Symbri Tuttle proved that to me last year, and the performances that we are getting this year out of the whole team are great!

Let's not worry about the polls.  The NCAA Regional Rankings in February will give us an idea of our chances, if it comes to a Pool C bid, because we did not win the tourney or where we will play if we do get a bid!   :) :) :)

One other thing...

...And unlike calhsu and Mr. Turner, I see the games from the stands not on the radio, I see intangibles, interaction with the coaches and players, players with players, things the radio doesn't SEE...

Do you mean that Kit and Leon aren't telling me everything?  ??? :o ???

 :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 07, 2005, 08:22:22 pm
Just look where being in the top 25 got HSU in football this year and women's basketball last year....sitting home going nowhere...

I don't care for all this blasting HPU for losing in the first round...they played one of the best teams in the nation with the 05 player of the year...and a few of the players that played on their national championship team...so to say they blew it in the first round is a load of crap.  Sure they had their chances and should have won especially being at home...but they didn't lose to a bad team...they lost to a team that went on to lose to the national runner up in OT.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 07, 2005, 08:26:31 pm
Kit and Leon are great!! The few games I don't attend, I love listening to them. And I agree polls don't always mean alot. I agree about respect, and maybe respect isn't the word I am looking for. In all honesty I love the underdog. The first HSU game last year, they didn't "expect" us, they were more prepared for Mcm the second game and we should have won, but Diana Martinez was the factor (an intangible) she made things happen but it was a great game. The third game we made the things happen that got the job done. Maybe its legitimacy I hope these ladies accomplish. They are respected, but not always taken seriously.  HPU is still a factor,they are the reigning conference champs. Iits not just a two team race. I am about emotion, I don't have to figure logic in (I have a man for that!) I just really hope this team has what it takes, they are young still, but experienced......somewhere down the line I hope they get the NCAA experience and bring some legitimacy to the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2005, 08:45:10 pm
No, dballa, we did not say that HPU was blown out! ;)

My agony over the HPU loss was we (ASC) had a really good HPU team!  They had the national stage against the 2003 National Champion Trinity team making the playoffs for the first time since 2003.

They were playing at home, home court advantage!  A win over Trinity would have seen HPU hosting Greensboro on Saturday night!

I see the margins of victory in the 2005 tourney and believe that HPU could have made the Final Four!  But we (ASC) did not get out of the first round! :(

Well, we will get over this, and hopefully we are even hungrier this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 07, 2005, 08:57:26 pm
Didn't say they were blown out but it was said they pretty much blew the game. 

But anyways HPU was a young team playing a very experienced Trinity team.

HPU is still very young this year but improving with every game.  And even with that youth they have a lot of experience back from last years team...I can't wait to see them play against HSU and McM...the only bad thing is I think both of those teams come to Brownwood during the break and won't get as big of a rowdy crowd that has pumped up the team before.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on December 07, 2005, 11:28:27 pm
I think it is hard to judge how HPU would've done just based on the scoring margins of the other games.  The second and third weekends of the tournaments have teams playing on back to back nights which some teams don't do all year.  I think that's what lead to Randolph-Macon getting blown out in the finals, Millikin had and still has a very deep team while RMC had and still has an outstanding starting five that needed to play most of the game for that team to win in the playoffs. 

All that aside, the top 25 rankings really don't mean much because you don't see the top 10 playing each other in the regular season like you see at the Division I level.  The only thing the ASC needs to worry about is winning games to improve their regional rankings so that they can host games in the playoffs.  Every ASC team has a HUGE home-court advantage and that's what will lead to wins in the playoffs.  Another thing they need to concern themselves with is Trinity because just like in football, expanded field or not, Trinity and the top teams in the ASC will inevitably meet in the playoffs.  So, until you have a good enough program to consistently beat Trinity (which looks like is starting to happen in football), the ASC won't get far in the NCAAs and therefore never get ranked high in the top 25.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 08, 2005, 12:12:43 am
At least fanstand called you "Mr. Turner."  I would have been miffed had he failed to show the respect due!

Dballa, get rid of that wad and relax.  You are way too defensive!  I don't believe anyone said HPU blew the playoff game last year.  As Mr. Turner wrote, most of us felt HPU was one of the strongest teams to win the conference title in several years and had a good chance to go fairly deep in the playoffs.  They did not blow the game.  Postseason (Mr. Coleman, I still see the ASC tournament as part of the regular season) play is the arena that the ASC has yet to really do well in.  HSU has some history there but otherwise the ASC has been pretty much absent. 
 
The experience last year may be the best thing to ever happen to HPU.  Their program knows the feeling of winning the conference and looking ahead only to see it end in 90 minutes one evening.  The Jackets are going to be tough, they always are, but tougher this year than in recent years if for that reason alone.

I am thrilled with the excitement that is building in the conference this season.  McM, HPU and HSU are all quality programs and all three can be seen as realistic contenders for the conference title.  I'm sure other programs could also steal the sho.  It is going to be a great ride!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 08, 2005, 12:42:31 am
Looks like Jessica Wurzbach is back on UMHB's roster again, interesting. What is going on there? I haven't seen her or Tomlinson in a box score yet.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 09:07:51 am
Paint, dballa is a great and loyal fan.  He has been a consistent HPU fan on this, the football board and even times when he and I tried to carry on a "baseball board" 2 years ago.

I am looking forward to this season.  Let's not forget dsc's observation that the ASC needs to get stronger.  The HSU girls know that from their trip to Wisconsin 2 years ago.  Women (and men) need to be in the weight room.  Women athletes don't need to worry about becoming muscle-bound...when your competition career is over, that muscle weight will come off.  (I have seen it happen in too many former D1 players.)  But we need the muscle strength when we play northern schools. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 08, 2005, 10:03:31 am
I thought Dballa was of the female persuasion, thus the veiled "panties in a wad" comment!

I completely agree with your weight room perspective.  The few times I watched DIII action beyond the ASC I saw big, strong girls who could dominate the paint.  They play very physical basketball!  Our squad too often looks frail and skinny up against the competition.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 08, 2005, 10:16:41 am
Look at the bright side, Ralph and company.  I doubt that the ASC champion/Pool C selectee will have to worry about Trinity at all this year. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on December 08, 2005, 11:36:20 am
Ron, that seems a bit premature, Trinity lost a lot from last year but I think with their schedule and the fact that they are only going to improve, they have a chance to be a factor come the end of the season.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 08, 2005, 01:56:01 pm
I have seen those girls from up north. They are bigger and much more physical. To me they look like the DII players round here. I watched them play up in Ohio, we need that physicalness here. The weight room is a girl's friend while they are playing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 08, 2005, 03:11:49 pm
ETBU vs Sul Ross has been changed to a 6pm start because of weather.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 07:19:16 pm
HPU 30 LeTourneau 18 at the half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 07:24:31 pm
Keep scores coming from both games, dballa!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 07:42:29 pm
i'll try to give a score when i can but may not be very often although in the women's game it's not that big a deal HPU should be able to handle them easily.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 07:50:25 pm
HPU 52 LeT 30 about 12 mins or so to go not real certain of the time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 08:05:23 pm
HPU 66 LeT 43 about 4 mins to go.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 08:08:26 pm
HPU 68 LeT 45 2:30 left in the game
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 08, 2005, 08:14:32 pm
HPU 70 LeT 48 Final.  Good 2nd half by HPU after starting off slow in the first half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 09, 2005, 09:44:32 am
ETBU 77 Sul Ross 42


http://www2.etbu.edu/content/sports/wbasketball/vssrsu-w.htm

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 09, 2005, 05:11:16 pm
Ron, that seems a bit premature, Trinity lost a lot from last year but I think with their schedule and the fact that they are only going to improve, they have a chance to be a factor come the end of the season.   

The SCAC's actually a pretty decent women's b-ball league.  There are six teams so far with one loss each (a combined 29-6), most of that coming outside league play.   DePauw is a prohibitive favorite to win the SCAC and it's been hard for anyone not named DePauw to get a pool C bid in seasons past.   Coming off the '03 national championship, Trinity went 24-3 and did not get invited to the dance ...

Trinity's start is impressive, especially given that they have a first-year college head coach, but they will probably lose enough games along the way to preclude an at-large bid.  I just don't see them having the horses to unseat Depauw. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on December 10, 2005, 12:24:55 pm
Ron, we should probably move this conversation over to the SCAC board but while we're here... I see DePauw in a similar situation as Trinity talent wise with a number of unproven bench players trying to replace some big names.  Zondor and Argetsinger at DePauw; Rohde, Howe and Smith at Trinity.  The one thing DePauw has going for it is continuity of the program with Trinity getting a new head coach.  I think Trinity still has more talent than a lot of teams in the conference and if things come together for them, I think they will be definitely be in it for a Pool C bid if not another conference title.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on December 11, 2005, 05:57:10 pm
Sure is quiet here for only 1 day before the big game for HSU and McM. Why? I'm making my prediction, McM and HSU close in the first half and in the second half McM takes a lead. I say McM by 6 for the ladies, and the men's game even closer. Come early, yell loud!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2005, 07:10:26 pm
matalk, I was in Abilene on Saturday and the McMurry campus is ready for the game.  The Ladies are focused.  I think that we will see a really great game.

As for the men, HSU had a very good showing against SMU.  That should have been a very low pressure game.  (Go out. Play hard. Have fun. Learn some stuff.)

I have to believe that McMurry will win both by close margins.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 12, 2005, 10:38:06 am
Interesting article in the newpaper about the game. I say McM women win by 10 at least. Should be a fun game tonight.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 10:56:24 am
Hyperlink to the HSU-McM game that fanstand mentioned. :) Go Lady Indians!

http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_basketball/article/0,1874,ABIL_7991_4308037,00.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 12, 2005, 11:26:54 am
If HSU is to win tonight it is going to be because of S. West.
How personal is it to her, will she play the game of her life or will she choke tonight? 

Guess what?  This game is much more important to McM than to the cowgirls.   First,  it gets them into the polls,  a loss for HSU drops them down but not out.  Second, McM is on a roll with big margins of victory,  they have not been tested.   To be sure HSU has won but not with same authority.  Can McM stand the heat?  Will the Cowgirls give them any heat?   

One thing I am sure of.  We have not seen the Cowgirls at their best,  they are still coming together as a team.  Is tonight when they come together,  we will know in less than 24 hours.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 01:36:40 pm
calhsu, I agree that this is big for McMurry, becuase I can foresee the scenario where McM or HSU puts some distance between themselves individually and the rest of the division/conference.

HSU/McM on Monday night and then both make the "Bayou Trek" for games with LC and MC.  Anything other than a 3-0 run this week will likely put someone in catch-up position. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 12, 2005, 02:07:10 pm
Will the McM and HSU game be on the internet?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on December 12, 2005, 02:33:12 pm
regarding the posts of calhsu and Dr. Turner,  I think you are both right in your analysis of tonights women's game.  HSU has not jelled yet.  The players are finding out about each other and may still be for the next several games.  However, this contest could be pivotal for their growth as a team.  On the other hand, McMurry Lady Indians have more experience and trust with and in each other.  Tara Richarson may be strong in the paint.  If she is and HSU must double and triple her, the outside should be open for 12 foot jump shots and feeds from the post to a player coming down the paint. 

McMurry is playing for ASC standing and poll notice. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on December 12, 2005, 02:52:10 pm
Pretty ballsy statement from West, considering her McM team went 0-4 against HSU, and without her they went 2-3 in the winning column. Could fire those ladies up, hopefully they will keep their focus on the whole team! I might rethink my prediction. If McM keeps their cool they will win by more than 6.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 03:09:26 pm
bcal, Sonya played for McMurry in 2003-04.

http://www.mcm.edu/sports/wbasketball/03-04statistics.htm

McMurry is 2-1 vs HSU without her.

I like our team and their prospects of defeating HSU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 06:42:18 pm
McM--Sawyer 3FG McM 3-0
HSU--miss Richardson rebs
McM--miss-- Sonya  West on the  turnover.
............
McM--miss
HSU miss, HSU inbound West rejected by Richardson called a foul.
HSU West FT 1-2. McM 3-1 17:51  Richardson reb
McM--Engelke miss Hawk reb
HSU--Dennard FG  Tied.
McM--HSU's Hawk foul.
McM--West fouls Richardson FT 2-2, McM 5-3. 16:45.
HSU--Henley FG Tied.
McM--Engelke rejected by Hodges, but West travels.
McM--Engleke fouled Henley. Engleke Ft 2-2.  McM 7-5.
HSU--Sawyer fouls.  Richardson fouls Henley. 15:48

Burton for Richardson.

HSU--15:32.  shot clock violation.
McM--Burton misses.
HSU--West misses. Travel.
McM--15:00 Media timeout.  Fast game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 12, 2005, 06:43:30 pm
Ralph listening to him do the broadcast makes me feel like i'm going to a rodeo :) he just has one of those accents...he does a great job with the radio broadcast though.

Sounds like some poor officiating early.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 06:52:51 pm
McM leads 7-5 but Richardson has 2 fouls.
McM-3FG. 10-5.
HSU fouls.
McM--turnover
HSU 13:55, Dennard fouls. team 6th
McM--traveling
HSU--Hodges 3FG, McM 10-8.
McM--Venekamp to the line (Foul on Hodges her 2nd) FT 0-2. McM  10-8. McM rebs HSU ball oob on West. 12:57
McM--Engelke FG, 12-8.
HSU--Steal
McM--blocked shot.
HSU--Amber Horton fouls for McM 11:55.
HSU--West FG and fouled by Burton FT 1-1. McM 12-11.
McM--Burton fouls.
HSU--Henley HSU 13-12.
McM--West fouls Burton; West's 2nd.  Burton 1&1. FT 1-2. 13 tied. West subbed by Green.
HSU--Finstad fouls, McM 7th. Hauk 1&1. missed. Engelke rebs.
McM--reb HSU
HSU--Henley lay-in. HSU 15-13.
McM--foul by Henley her 2nd. Media Timeout.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 06:59:56 pm
dballa, if there are any northerners or east coasters listening, I hope they will appeciate the Cultural Diversity! ;)
McM--Horton FT  2-2, Tied at 15 under 10:00  Sawyer for Horton
HSU--Finstad reb
McM--Burton missed layup then fouls, her 3rd. Engelke in.
HSU--Green misses FT
McM--turnover
HSU--Fg
McM--Green reb.
HSU--Steinberger fouls, 10th foul.
McM--Tuttle FT 0-2. HSU 17-15.  Venekamp 3FG. McM 18-17.
HSU--Engleke fouls, her 2nd.
HSU-Henley Ft 1-2,  tied at 18.
McM--Jump ball to HSU
HSU--West back in, travel by Hauk.



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:05:06 pm
McM--Sawyer 3FG.  Foul by Hodges, her 3rd on the reb att.  Engelke to the line FT 1-2.  McM  22-18.
HSU--West FG McM 22-20.
McM--6:40, Engelke FG  McM 24-20.
HSU--6:10, steal
McM--5:50, Engelke reb and save.
McM--Hauk fouls.  Tuttle FT 1-2. McM 25-20.  Engelke her 2nd foul.
HSU--West Ft  1-2. McM 25-21. Engelke rebs.
McM--West rebs.
HSU--jump ball  -to McM Media TO 4:49. McM 25-21.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:15:15 pm
McM 29 % on FG  44 % on FT and lead by 4.

McM--Venekamp travels.
HSU--travel.
McM--turnover butler to Burton.
HSU--Sawyer rebs.
McM--Venekamp long 3FG McM 28-21.
HSU--Henley misses. Butler rebs.
McM--Tuttle misses and oob. 3:07
HSU--Butler slaps away.
McM--2:33 with Richardson and Englke on the bench!
McM--Henley fouls.  Burton FT  2-2, McM 30-21.
HSU--traveling
McM--2:05, Dennard rebs.
HSU--foul by Burton, her 4th.  Henley FT  1-2. McM 30-22. McM rebs.
McM--Paetzold FG on a penetration! McM 32-22.
HSU--Paetzold foul. 0:59.
HSU--Thompson FT  2-2. McM  32-24.
McM--0:55, Nelson lay-in.
HSU--Paetzold fouls Thompson FT  2-2. McM 34-26.
McM--Venekamp misses.  Half McM 34-26.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hoopstermom on December 12, 2005, 07:15:46 pm
WOW!! This is better than any internet broadcast.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 12, 2005, 07:16:50 pm
If the stat people have any problem with locating any missing plays they can just look at Ralph's play by play and it's right on the money :) 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:20:58 pm
Sorry about the long sequences...the game is flowing very quickly!  It is hard to break. ;)

McMurry played the much of the end of the half without either of their starting posts.  That describes the depth that Coach Nichols has recruited in the last 2 years.

Fouls McM--Richardson 2, Paetzold 2, Engelke 2, Burton of the bench 4.

HSU-- PG Hauk 2, Dennard 2, Hodges 3, West 2, Henley 3.

FT  McM 11-18; HSU  9-14.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:27:45 pm
HSU--Henley 8, West 7;  FG 8-21; 3FG 1-6; FT  9-15, Rebs 8 off 13 def, 21 tot. 3 steals and 10 turnovers.  Rebs-Hauk leads with 7.

McM--Engelke, 7, Venekamp 6, Sawyer 6; Butler 6 rebs off the bench.  FG 9-28; 3FG 5-13; FT 11-18; TO 6, Steals 4; Rebs 8 off 13 def  21 tot.

Richardson only plays 4 minutes due to fouls.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:33:22 pm
HSU--inbounds at the start.  HSu save Hodges 3FG.
McM--Engelke fade away jumper
HSU--West FG
McM--Richardson FG
HSU--put back by Dennard
McM--Richardson  on the putback. FG  McM 40-33. 18:00
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:40:38 pm
HSU--Richardson called for her 3rd foul.  17:30 Dennard FT  0-2 Engelke rebs.
McM--Richardson fouled by Henley her 4th.  FT 2-2. McM 42-33.
HSU--Venekamp fouls Hodges FT  2-2. McM 42-35.
McM--Richardson fouled by West, her 3rd.  engelke rebs. West Rebs.
HSU--Green FG.  McM 42-37.
McM--Sawyer FG running jumper 44-37.
HSU--Richardson rebs.
McM--Engelke FG pass from Venekamp 46-37.
HSU--Steal by Sawyer.
McM--Tuttle a long range 3FG.  49-37.
HSU--Rebs Richardson
McM--turnover 15:18.

Man, Kimbrell is rocking!!! The Kraizes are back!!!!

HSU--Hodges FG Engelke fouls on the pentration. FT 1-1. McM 49-40. 15:05
McM--Burton fouled by Green. 14:53 Media TO.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:47:05 pm
McM--Inbound.  Horton for Venekamp.  Hodges fouls Horton on the penetration.  FT  2-2. McM 51-40.
HSU--Rebs Richardson.
McM--Thompson rebs.
HSU--Horton steal.
McM--Reb Cowgirls.
HSU--Tarra Richardson, a phantom foul her 4th.
HSU--Magna Green FT  1-2.  McM 51-41.
McM--Burton on the putback McM 53-41
HSU--West putback.
McM--Horton turnover
HSU--Reach-in by Finstad.  Hauk Ft 1-2. McM  53-44. Butler rebs.
McM--12:30  Engelke FG 55-44
HSU--traveling.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:51:58 pm
McM--Finstad misses. Engelke fouled on the reb. Engelke travels.
HSU--Engelke fouls Steinberger, her 4th.  FT  1-2.  McM 55-45.
McM--Walker fouls. 11:11. hauk has the ball.
HSU--block by Burton.
McM--Finstad 3FG  McM 58-45.
HSU--Finstad fouls, her 3rd 1&1.  Hauk FT  2-2. McM 58-47. 10:12.
McM--Burton FG  McM 60-47.
HSU--oob.  9:44 media timeout
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 07:55:17 pm
McM--HSU rebs.
HSU--Charging on Sonya West, her 4th.
McM--9:12.  jump ball, McM possession.
McM--West subbed for by HSU.
McM- inbounds 8:43. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:03:42 pm
McM--Richardson fouls out with 8 pts. at 8:35.
HSU--FT Jones 0-1 miss. Green fouls
McM--8:35.   Burton misses Ft 0-1.
HSU--Reb Finstad.
McM--Venekamp misses.
HSU--Rebs Venekamp.
McM--Burton FG.  62-47.
HSU--Burton rebs.
HSU--Jones steals, McM ball.
McM--Hodges rebs.
HSU--Hauk FG.  62-49.
McM--turnover
HSU--Thompson 3FG. 6:00  62-52
McM--Hodges her 5th, 11 pts  Burton  FT 2-2, 64-52. 5:45.
HSU--Nelson fouls.  Henley FT  1-2.  McM 64-53. Nelson rebs.
McM--Horton FG.
HSU--Henley FG  McM 66-55.
McM--turnover.
HSU-- Media TO  4:46.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:12:01 pm
HSU--Hauk Lay-up 66-57.
McM--Engelke travels.
HSU--Engelke rebs.
McM--Burton blocked oob.
McM--11 secs on the shot clock... turnover.
HSU--3:38  Green Rebs save by Dennard FG and fouled by Burton her 5th. FT on the 3 point play is good. 66-60.
McM--Horton misses, Engleke rebs. 2:50.
McM--Tuttle fouled by hauk,  FT  2-2.   McM 68 - 60.
HSU--Sawyer steals.  Fouled by Hauk.
McM--Sawyer  FT  0-2, McM 68-60. 2:30 West Rebs.
HSU--Engelke rebs. 2:12.
McM--Hauk steals
HSU--Dennard FG. 68-62 1:48
McM--Engelke FG off the glass, 70-62.
HSU--Butler rebs. 1:11
McM--Venekamp fouled by Thompson,  FT 2-2.  McM 72-62. 0:56.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:12:48 pm
HSU Time out with 0:55 trailing 72-62.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:16:32 pm
HSU--Hauk fouled by Venekamp, FT 1-2 0:40.    72-63.  Engelke rebs.
McM--Traveling.
HSU--Finstad blocking foul.  Thompson FT 2-2  0:26. McM 72-65.
McM--Dennard fouls Finstad.  Ft  1-2.  McM 73-65.
HSU--Rebs Engelke.
McM--time out. 12 secs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:18:42 pm
McM--Inbounds fromthe HSU backcourt.  Knocked oob 0:09. Tuttle oob.
HSU--Engelke rebs.

Final-  McM 73 HSU 65.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 12, 2005, 08:21:06 pm
Rt,

Thanks for the game play.

Are you doing the same for the men?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 12, 2005, 08:22:58 pm
I don't think this game showed the true talent of either team...it just showed McMurry had more depth than HSU...way too many fouls called...the refs shouldn't be that involved in a game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 12, 2005, 08:24:21 pm
Well I did enjoy listening to the Abilene  play by play guys. Don't worry I still can translate Texan.    I especially liked the commentary.  Late in the second half he says: The Cowgirls have really been shooting well at the foul line.  Yeah they are 11 for 18."
But the announcers were not the problem for HSU.   They have to decide who is going to step up and really lead the team.  McMurry seems to have several people ready to come forward when their star player had the foul trouble.

Last year HSU got crushed at home in December.  By that comparison they are ahead of last year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:30:35 pm
dsc, yes I will try!

HSU stats-Hodges, West, Henley 11; Dennard 9, Thompson 9, Hauk 8
FG  20-54 37%; 3FG 3-10; Ft 22-36; Rebs 13 off 24 def 37 tot.  Steals 8 TO's 14.

McM stats-Engelke 15, Venekamp 8, Richardson 8, Tuttle 9, Sawyer 8, Finstad 4, Horton 6, Burton 5; TO 18 Steals 7;  No reb leader mentioned.
Rebs-- 16 off 33 def 49 total; FT 22-33, 3FG 7-21; FG 22-57.

McM goes to Pineville LA; HSU goes to MC on Saturday and then they flip on Monday night.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2005, 08:32:37 pm
calhsu, I hope you let your children hear some good west Texas accents.  They can declare that broadcast as cultural diversity! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 12, 2005, 08:32:53 pm
Fanstand I checked you picked  McM by ten.  Pretty close,  except I believe you really wanted to say by more.

To be fair I didn't predict because I was afraid HSU would lose,  but I was hoping that they didn't get blow out like last year in December.   What is more important for HSU is that they don't get down for the weekend.  They will lose more than poll position if they lose either game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 12, 2005, 08:36:51 pm
Ralph,  one of my daughters did walk by the computer and just laughed at me for listening to a game in Texas.

As a child I listened to the Plainview Bulldogs on radio.

The other night when my daughters school California Baptist played for the national championship in volleyball I listen by way of the Missouri annoucers.  It is a sickness.  They did win by the way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on December 12, 2005, 11:41:14 pm
McMurry was able to prevail aganist a good HSU team with Tara Richardson playing only a few minutes due to foul trouble.  Other players steped up and filled the void.  This team can pick up the pace when their strong player in the paint is out or not having a good night.  Several ladies gave a good account of themselves tonight and the coaches may rest a little better this evening with that knowledge.  The Lady Indians were given a good test tonight and responded well. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 13, 2005, 12:44:22 am
Thanks calhsu, yes I wanted to say alot, but must keep my emotions in check. Tonite was not our best game but this game is never "norm". I knew HSU could not run with McM in the second half. HSU did not shut Tarra down, the man with the stripes did, that was very frustrating because two of those were very questionable, and the same official called 4 fouls on her. But it didn't matter, because the depth of McM stepped up and continued the flow of the game. HSU lacks a "Diana" leader on the floor. They play very aggressive but really got frustrated and winded in the second half. McM is young and hopefully will contine to build. Way to go Ladies, you did great !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2005, 01:54:37 am
New Top 25 released for games as of Dec 11th!

#13 HSU
*#25 McMurry.  Way to go Lady Indians!

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 13, 2005, 03:29:49 am
In the last five minutes of the game HSU didn't take control of the boards even though McM had two of its big people out.  That was the last nail in the coffin.

 If the cowgirls get things back together I think they can win the next game.  The playoffs should be very intersting.  If both teams don't lose to anyone else then they both have a chance to get to the dance.   HPU will be waiting to upset this story.

I am up late tonight and see if California can really do what Texas does often. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 13, 2005, 08:22:48 am
and Ralph before any McMurry fans get upset over that poll, it doesn't include last nights game.  So if both teams win out this weekend you'll see McM go further up most likely and HSU drop down. 

I think it would be ASC history if another team went ahead of HSU in the polls wouldn't it?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2005, 09:21:06 am
Thanks, dballa.  Looks like the West will be tough again.  Now we just have to handle the road trip in the Bayou country. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 13, 2005, 09:31:38 am
Well I know both teams should be able to handle LC although they do play scrappy defense.  But that trip to MC will be very tough.   That should be a couple of very interesting games to watch.

HPU has it pretty easy before the Christmas break with a game against Sul Ross on Saturday then Southwestern on Monday. 

Then just one more weekend against the East before hosting HSU and McM in mid January.  I know it's only a couple weekends, but it will be boring not watching ASC basketball for a couple weeks after this weekend :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 13, 2005, 10:32:13 am
The Mississippi game will be a real test for both McM and HSU and will be the first game that all three leaders have played the same opponent, that should really tell us where we are at. I still feel like HPU is a strong team and is slipping under the radar right now. After the games in LA and Miss. we'll see. Road games are very important and McM can't overlook LC. I was happy to see the ladies creep into the polls and get some legitimacy for all their hard work. So I guess I'll shut up now about it. Keep up the good work ladies............
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 13, 2005, 10:46:29 am
It looks like we're already setting up for the McM-HSU rematch.  Sonya West is quoted in today's Reporter-News as follows:  "I would rather lose any day with this team [HSU] than win on McMurry's team."  The full story is at
http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_basketball/article/0,1874,ABIL_7991_4310837,00.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 13, 2005, 11:27:21 am
Too bad. Coach Nichols was very supportive when she left the team, and our girls handled her comments with class, I was proud of Carli. What goes around, comes around. Those kind of words come back to bite you in the butt. I think McM team is happy with what it has going on, and they won't get into a debate. We're moving on, one game at a time......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on December 13, 2005, 03:40:44 pm
Congrats to McM on a couple of nice wins last night.  Of course, I'm disappointed that they came at our expense, but hard-fought and well-deserved nonetheless.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 13, 2005, 08:29:11 pm
I agree with fanstand about HPU.  Their one loss so far came from Mississippi College, which remains undefeated in the East.  And their big, athletic girls manhandled us (is that the right word?) all three times we played them last year. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on December 14, 2005, 12:23:45 am
Wow, someone needs to tell the West girl to quite talking to the newspaper!!!

Congrats to the Indians...keep it rolling.  Very impressed with your depth.  I've watched alot of these crosstown games.  And no matter what anyone says, they usually come down to depth and talent.  And right now, McM has more.  But I'm sure HSU will have something to say about that next time. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on December 14, 2005, 01:55:28 am
Well said finnman.....I think that with West's comments in the newspaper just fires up those girls even more, I know that it would me!  I did like what the paper said about Sonya West being overshadowed by Carli Englke...I think that comment was well stated.  They say (Sonya thinks) that she was all McMurry had, but I say they have done much better without her, so let her say what she wants it has come back to bite her in the end!!![/color]
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on December 14, 2005, 02:07:59 am
Well said finnman.....I think that with West's comments in the newspaper just fires up those girls even more, I know that it would me! I did like what the paper said about Sonya West being overshadowed by Carli Englke...I think that comment was well stated. They say (Sonya thinks) that she was all McMurry had, but I say they have done much better without her, so let her say what she wants it has come back to bite her in the end!!!
Sorry I had to fix my mistakes on this thing and I really didn't know how so I will just do it this way
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 14, 2005, 08:03:00 am
I'm surprised :o Coach Briggs hasn't shut her down!  Reporters are looking after themselves, not the players being interviewed.  The Abilene paper is loving any controversy that develops as controversy sells papers.  West is not the first player to move from one team to another within the conference.  Others have made the move with class and sincere affirmations from all.  Statements should be made through performance on the hardwood! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on December 14, 2005, 11:22:11 am
Alright now, let's not push it.  Yes, controversy sells papers...But let's get real:  D3 Basketball doesn't sell a lot of newspapers in Abilene.

In fact, we ought to all be grateful that the Abilene-Reporter News covers D3 sports like it does...Top story...Front page of sports with picture.  Most D3 teams are relegated to a boxscore.  I.E. Mississippi College.

The reporter put that quote in because it tells the story of the rivalry...He put it in because that quote obviously comes from frustration over a loss...It WASN'T put in to sell papers...Two small universities don't make a newspaper a whole lot of money.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 14, 2005, 02:24:37 pm
In all fairness to Tonya, her comments may sound different in print from what she meant by them, or the Reporter-News may have misquoted her.  For all the rivalry between McM and HSU, there are a lot of contacts and respect between the two programs.  Our assistant coach, Brittany Densman, started out at HSU.  If there's any problem, it's with the paper: to generate "human interest," it tends to focus on individual players, and Sonya is a natural since she got so much attention when she was with McM.  A few years ago, half the paper's coverage of McM-HSU soccer seemed to focus on the HSU goal keeper, Ryan Shaughnessy, whose main appeal was not just that he was very good, but that he was another McM star that transferred teams.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on December 14, 2005, 04:16:23 pm
Yeah, everybody who doesn't think she said that raise your hand..............Not me, she said it and in that context.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 14, 2005, 04:37:38 pm
OK Jungle, my feet are back on the ground.  You are right, of course, that Abilene residents are not lining up at the newspaper stands waiting on the next edition to hit the streets!  I got a little carried away.   ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 15, 2005, 10:13:00 pm
No HSU score yet? They are playing tonite, right?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 15, 2005, 11:43:54 pm
Final:

HSU 84

LC   78

Per LC's Sports page...Thursday Dec 15th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 02:10:30 pm
McM 13 LaCollege 4 14:52.  Media Timeout
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 02:18:27 pm
McM 21 LC 6, 12:04 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 02:24:59 pm
McM 25 LC 9 9:54 left.  Media Timeout. Lots of McMurry substitution occurring. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 02:37:02 pm
Kaycee Venekamp has hit her 4th FG on the first half.  She has 11.

Media Timeout.  McM 40, LC 11, 4:25.

McMurry has put up a 15-2 run.  They are executing very well!

Hitting FG15-23, 3FG 2-6, 8-8 on FT.  LC FG 4-21,  FT 3-6.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 02:46:49 pm
McMurry 51 LaCollege 18 at the half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 03:04:16 pm
Halftime stats:

LC--FG 4-29; 3FG 0-5; FT 10-14.  Rebs 19 14 off + 5 def Turnovers, 13 Steals 4 Assists 1

R Clemons leads with 6 points.

McM--FG 19-30; 3FG 2-8; FT 11-13; Rebs 21 7 off + 14 def; Turnovers 7; Assists 12 (Tuttle had 7) steals 7.
Richardosn 16 points and 6 rebs
Venekamp 10 pts on 4 FG's
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 03:05:50 pm
17:24;  McM has scored the 1st 10 points.  McM 61-18.

Venekamp has hit 2 more FG and is up to 15.

Richardson is up to 18 points.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 03:10:21 pm
McM 67 - 20 on a 16-2 run.  14:20 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 03:42:18 pm
Final McM 78, LaCollege 47.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 03:55:02 pm
Final Stats:

LC--J. Brown 15 pts and 7 rebs.
RClemons--11 pts

FG 14-61  3FG 4-15 FT--15-22  Rebs--44 tot; 22 off; 22 def
Turnovers 23

McM-- Richardson 20 points and 8 rebs in limited action;
Venekamp FG  6-6, 3FG 3-3 15pts;
Freshman Allison Nelson season high 10 pts;

Symbri Tuttle- 8 points, 11 assists, 1 turnover.

FG 30-60; 3FG 4-16; FT 14-23; Rebs 43 tot; 14 off  + 29 def.
Turnovers 13, steals 13.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2005, 05:38:59 pm
In the last 5 minutes of the MC-HSU game, HSU led 59-52.  MC went on an 18-3 run and defeated HSU 70-62.

Lady Chocs host McMurry on Monday evening.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 17, 2005, 06:09:39 pm
HPU 54 SRSU 28.  Pretty ugly game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 17, 2005, 06:10:07 pm
That should be quite a game between MC and McM...

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 18, 2005, 02:40:15 pm
The game tomorrow for McM and MC is important. I still feel like McM is improving each week. They did not play their best game against HSU last week, but did play well enough to win. They have to be on against MC and contain Lacey and not get in to foul trouble with the Mississippi officials. It  is different there in the golden dome. HSU contained Lacey but ran out of gas it sounds like in the final minutes. McM cannot let that happen. I think after this game there will be more talk about HPU, they are quietly in the background, winning games and sliding under everyone's radar. Don't be fooled, thats what happened last year and they made their statement by beating everybody and winning the tournament. The season is still early but the stronger teams are emerging. Maybe I will slip down to Brownwood tomorrow and see with my own eyes since I can't be in Mississippi. Play your best Lady Indians, keep smiling and having fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on December 18, 2005, 11:31:20 pm
I was at the MC/HSU game and I don't know if HSU contained Lacey or if they were so busy with her they forgot about the rest of the team. The game tomorrow night should be very good.  A comment on officals - You should be from MS and have to play TX teams with TX officals.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 19, 2005, 01:23:58 am
Her only 4 points in the HSU game were from free throws, so they either contained her or she wasn't having a good night. She is your leading scorer Millie so I would think some focus would need to be keeping her from scoring. Last year MC would have liked to of had her, am I right? She isn't the whole team, but she is a good player. As for officials, I've been to the golden dome a few times, its sort of like playing at Sul Ross, things happen...its an aura thing, we have our share of stuff in texas from officials. Look at my note from the McM/HSU game, its just an opinion, no body is perfect.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on December 19, 2005, 09:36:50 am
I actually think Lacey is a better player than she was 2 years ago.  I see more maturity and court awareness.  And don't get me wrong, MC is a much better team with her on the court.  What I saw in Lacey the other night was being a leader and being high scorer are not necessarily the same thing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfnut on December 19, 2005, 02:17:59 pm
I have been reading, but I have not said anything.  I have seen everyone in the west division with the exception of McM and HSU.  It sounds like from the results we are seeing and the margins of victories, the game tonight might very well be a preview of the ASC championship game.  I am a little surprised that UT Tyler has had some troubles in the east, but I am not surprised that MC seems to have turned things around.  I hate to tell you HPU fans this but I think you and HSU will probably be fighting for the two seed in the west.  I know it is early and a lot of things can happen but I was not that impressed with your team this year.  I am still wondering why Mia Daniels is not playing at a higher level.  She is impressive to me. 
Just a note on the polls.  I really don't know who is voting in these polls, I am sure Ralph can answer that, but they need to get out and watch some of these teams they are voting for.  I saw that last years D3 champ, Millikin, got beat by Illinois College.  IC played in the AC tournament at the start of the year and AC beat them pretty easily.  I do not think we are going to see AC ranked in the top 25 this year and IC was not very strong at all.  Millikin was ranked number seven at the time.  I talked to some of the IC parents when they were here and they said IC girls were not used to such physical play which kind of surprised me. 
Well I am signing off for now.  I will be listening to the game tonight.  Merry Christmas to all of you.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 19, 2005, 02:34:38 pm
In the past 5 games Meia Daniels is averaging 22.6 pts 10.8 rebs. and 3.5 steals per game.  What more do you want her to do???

Your ladies caught HPU on the back end of a long road trip after Thanksgiving.  Don't think one game at the first part of the season means you have things well in hand.  McM still has to play HSU at home and has to play HPU two times.  So don't think the conference is decided just yet.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 03:01:14 pm
golfnut, Good to see you back again this year.  It is very hard to measure the women's hoops, even harder than the men.

There is lots of fans' interest in polls and I personally think that it takes the Christmas Holidays to sort the teams out.  Millikin plays in the CCIW which is a respectable conference.  They will probably be gauged very accurately by mid-January.  Defending champs get cut some slack.
 

Quote
The D3hoops.com Top 25 is voted on by a panel of 25 coaches, Sports Information Directors and media members from across the country, and is published weekly.

Pat does a very good job of sending extensive lists to the pollsters about the best teams!  By February, the polls are very reliable.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfnut on December 19, 2005, 03:26:34 pm
As usual my first post causes controversy.  Deballa I think you misunderstood what I meant when I said higher level.  I meant she could be playing D2 maybe even D1.  I also think I said in my earlier post, " I know it is early" when I was refering to my evaluation of not just HPU but all of the teams.  I will say that HPU played AC at home, road trip or not, and we had 30 turnovers and shot the ball terrible and you only beat us by 11 or so.  That is not what I have seen in past HPU teams.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 19, 2005, 03:39:10 pm
Well then I definitely did read your message wrong, for that I apologize.  She is a very good player but there are very good players all over this conference and the country.  A lot that could easily be going to school with a full ride. 

As an HPU fan I'm very happy she didn't choose that route :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 19, 2005, 04:57:03 pm
Pat Coleman,

If you read this anytime soon I was looking at the standings and the schedules.  It looks like one of the HPU women's wins isn't being picked up in the conference standings.  I thinking it's that LeTourneau game because it doesn't have the conference notation by it.  Plus their game against UT-Dallas on January 5th is not showing up on the schedule. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 06:43:54 pm
14:20. 

McM  17,  Miss Coll  13.

Carli Engelke has 2 fouls, Richardson has 1 foul.

Jordan for MC has 6-6 on FT's off fouls by McM post players.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 06:52:58 pm
Media Timeout; just under 10 minutes left

McM 20,  Miss Coll 19. McM ball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 06:58:49 pm
MC 28, McMurry 20, with about 8 minutes left in the half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 07:04:27 pm
MC has put on a 21-6 run.  Miss Coll leads 34-23.   5:12 left in the 1st half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 07:13:45 pm
Richardson gets her 2nd foul with 1:23 left.

Lady Chocs' Baham has had 10 points off the bench.

MC leads by 10.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 07:15:54 pm
Halftime

Miss Coll  35 , McM 27.

McM has only scored 7 points in the last 10 minutes.  They went very cold!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 07:30:50 pm
McM stats:  FG 9-25; 3FG 2-9; FT 7-12.  Rebs 6 off + 11 def = 17 tot.

Lady Chocs 45% on FG.  11-24 on FG.  FT's made- 11. Rebs 19.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 07:44:50 pm
MC scored the first 6 points in the half to take a 41-27 lead.  McM has pulled to within 5 at 45-40.

The Lady Chocs have called a timeout with ?minutes left.

Media timeout...must be under 15 minutes. ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 07:50:26 pm
McM--Richardson drives FG. MC 45-42.
MC--3FG.  MC 48-42
McM--Baham fouls, her 3rd, Lady Chocs 7th. Richardson FT 2-2. MC 48-44.
MC--Smith travels.
McM--Richardson fouled by Smith, her 3rd.  FT  2-2. MC 48-46.  12:12 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 07:57:33 pm
MC-Richardson steals.
McM--11:50 Finstad 3FG.  McM 49-48.
MC--Finstad rebs.
McM--Richardson on her own put-back  McM 51-48. 
MC--Horton fouls. 3rd McM team foul.  Jordan Fg and fouled by Engelke, her 3rd.  FT no good. McM 51-50 10:28.
McM--Richardson fouled by Lewis. FT 2-2. McM  53-50...  Burton for Richardson.  Engelke gets her 4th foul trying to steal. . MC TO
McM--Engelke FG McM 55-50.
MC--9:49. Kennedy turnover shot clock violation.  Media Timeout.

McM has outscored MC 28-9 from the 18th minute to the 9th minute.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:00:39 pm
McM-Tuttle 3FG
MC--FG
McM--Venekamp 3FG foul on Chocs by Smith Tuttle FT  2-2, McM leads 63-52.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:03:02 pm
MC--Baham FG McM 63-54.
McM--MC rebs
MC--Venekamp rebs
McM--Baham rebs.
MC--White FG  63-56.
McM--Tuttle 3FG rims out, McM ball. 7:19 McM time.

McM has outscored 36-15 in the last 10 minutes.  Led by 11 at 63-52 at 9 minutes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:07:52 pm
McM--turnover.
MC--Lewis FG  McM-63-58.
McM--White fouls Horton.  Shooting 2. FT  1-2, McM 64-58.
MC 6:38--6:25, Kennedy misses
McM--Tuttle charges, her 1st foul.
MC--Richardson rebs.
McM--misses
MC--Venekamp rebs.
McM--Finstad misses a 3FG.
MC--5:12, Jordan Fg McM 64-60.
McM--Engelke fouls out.  Media timeout; just under 5 minutes left.

MC has come from 11 down.  MC ball and trailing by 4
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:12:22 pm
MC--jump ball called. Refs missed a shot clock violation.
MC--baseline turnover.
McM--Butler in for Engelke. Butler with the putback! 66-60
MC--Jordan putback. 66-62
McM--3:34--turnover
MC--Tuttle rebs
McM--Richardson saves reb. Finstad left handed layup 68-62.
MC timeout 2:35.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:15:59 pm
MC--Baham FG;  McM 68-64; 2:10
McM--Butler misses 3FG. Kirkwood stolen by Butler
McM--1:30; Richardson triple-teamed; McM retains jump.
McM--Tuttle 30sec TO on in-bounds.
McM--1:23; McM 68-64. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:19:37 pm
McM--Finstad misses 3FG. Kennedy rebs
MC--0:59. White FG  0:43  68-66.
McM--Butler FG and fouled on the shot, Smith fouls out.
FT  no good.  McM 70 -66.  Horton steals the reb and fouled by Kennedy
McM--Horton  FT 1-2. McM  71-66. 0:14.
MC--White misses 3FG. putback good. McM  71-68. 0:04.8 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:23:03 pm
McM--Finstad fouled by Lewis. FT  2-2.  McM 73-68. 0:03.3

MC--0:01 left.  3FG by White.

McM wins 73-71.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 08:35:21 pm
Stats:

MC--Kennedy 14; Jordan 16; white 10; Baham 16.
FG  27-52; 3FG 4-8; FT 13-18. Rebs 11 off + 24 def = 35 tot.
TO 21 Steals 7.

McM--Richardson 23; Venekamp 11; Finstad 13; FG 24-55; 3FG 5-20; FT 20-29. Rebs 12 off + 18 def = 30 tot.  TO 15; Steals 8
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 19, 2005, 09:00:36 pm
HPU 74 Southwester 34.  Meia Daniels with 25 pts 8 rebs.  Buker with 13 pts and Hoherts with 10 to round out the double digit scorers.

HPU had 21 steals in the game and forced 30 TO's. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 19, 2005, 09:03:14 pm
What a great game for McM to have to come from behind and charge ahead. It wasn't pretty from what I heard on the radio, but I couldn't "see" everything. Ralph, do you know if this is the best start for McM? I assume it is. Good job ladies, it doesn't matter how ugly a win is, a wise man told me once after a particular ugly game, "A win is forever fabulous".
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 09:14:54 pm
Fanstand, I am away from my records.  I would need to look at the 1999-2000 season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2005, 09:37:02 pm
Fanstand, the Lady Indians went 7-0 in the 1999-2000 season before a loss to NAIA-1 Lubbock Christian.  McM avenged the loss a week later.  They improved to 9-1 before a road loss at ETBU.

http://texnews.com/sports.texnews/mcmhoops.html


McM lost 5 games that year.  Lubbock Christian, ETBU (the ASC-East winner) and HSU once in the regular season, once in the Tourney finals and once in the Sweet 16.

Best start ever.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 20, 2005, 04:29:51 am
Pat Coleman,

If you read this anytime soon I was looking at the standings and the schedules.  It looks like one of the HPU women's wins isn't being picked up in the conference standings.  I thinking it's that LeTourneau game because it doesn't have the conference notation by it.  Plus their game against UT-Dallas on January 5th is not showing up on the schedule. 

Thanks. We asked for schedules in the offseason because football season prevents us from being able to check last-minute schedules for incorrect info such as that. Unfortunately, neither school provided us with a full schedule in a timely manner.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 20, 2005, 09:17:06 am
Thanks for updating that Pat.  The HPU SID is new this year and is learning on the run after the last one bailed on them early.  After a few growing pains he'll get it rolling and you should get info in a timely manner. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on December 20, 2005, 09:44:56 am
I was at the MC/McM game last night and it was definitely worth the price of admission.  Both teams played well and when they were down, neither one gave up.  I have to give credit to Richardson, in the second half when McM came back she found a way to score.  MC is still turning the ball over on missed passes but some of that is coming together as they are learning how each other plays.  It should be an interesting season. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfnut on December 20, 2005, 03:42:09 pm
Millie, I thought your daughter was a senior last year.  You just can't get enough of this can you?  It sounds like you have a pretty good club over there in Clinton.  I hope AC can hang with you this year.  Nice to see someone else from the east is posting.  I think the west also likes to see the east posting so they can get a scouting report.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on December 20, 2005, 04:04:53 pm
I remember both of you, Golfnut and Millie!  It is good to see you both still part of the ASC action!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on December 20, 2005, 04:45:19 pm
Golfnut, my daughter did graduate last year and is in graduate school at Mississippi State where she is a Graduate Assistant/Student Manager for the MSU Lady Bulldogs Basketball Team.  Maybe one of these days she will finally be educated enough to go out and get a real job.  Basketball has been such a part of our lives for so long it's hard to give it up.  If MC continues to meld as a team, they could be a team to contend with.  Hope to see you when AC comes to Clinton.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 21, 2005, 05:16:05 pm
Everybody have a wonderful Christmas and a happy WINNING New Year :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 22, 2005, 10:26:05 am
Christmas Blessings to one and all!!! Safe travel for all players and coaches going home to their families, and safe returns after. Rest and be merry, come back ready and refreshed. Happy Holidays!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on December 29, 2005, 12:10:58 am
When the new d3hoops poll comes out will  MC move  up ahead of HSU since the lost to McM was so close?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on December 29, 2005, 12:15:01 am
Why was HSU ranked 25th and MC  30th after MC defeated HSU anyway?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2005, 09:25:12 am
Good morning, Millie! :)  I think that it has to do with HSU's reputation.

The Lady Chocs have not made the NCAA playoffs since the establishment of the Pool system in 1998-99.  HSU has had a solid program.  I think that the HSU reputation is keeping them buoyed at #25.

The McMurry win over then #13 HSU was well chronicled as a great cross-town rivalry.  The MC loss on Saturday night gave HSU a weekly record of 1-2 with 3 very tough road games for the polling week (Monday thru Sunday, I think.)  McMurry had been #25 the week before.

MC can float into the Top 25 if they continue to win and teams above them lose.  McMurry only "floated up" 5 places with their win over #13 HSU and the LaCollege road win.  That was primarily because the teams above them lost.  At this time of the season, the only way that teams move up is when a higher team loses.  The pollsters rarely penalize a ranked team that just keeps winning.

IMHO, the ASC is respected as a very good "mid-major".  Until we win several games in the Final Four, we will still have to prove ourselves.  The best ASC team is now #20.  (Next poll will be next week.)  Almost everyone of those Top 25 teams have come from conferences that have won National Championships or have sent teams to the Final Four.  I don't want to keep beating up on 2005 HPU team, but if they had gone to the Elite 8, then I believe that it would have signaled the fact that the ASC is more than a one-trick pony (HSU).  Couple a good performance by HPU in 2005 with what I hope is a great McMurry 2006 season, then the ASC will be seen as having some depth, as the football voters recognize.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: intern on December 29, 2005, 06:25:56 pm
McMurry beats La Verne 80-61. Indians came out a little flat in the first half, but hit 4 straight 3's (from Venekamp and Sawyer) to open the second half.

"Typical post-holiday game"

Go Indians!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 30, 2005, 06:13:49 pm
McMurry 10-0. Word came in they won today by 17. 71 to 54, I think. It was REAL ugly. Four starters in double figures, double-double by Carli and Tarra, fouls were 10-4 Mcmurry leading in that category in the second half. Heard lots of elbows and knees, but that will make us stronger. Way to go ladies!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 30, 2005, 06:26:34 pm
I hope y'all are doing some fun things in California besides winning basketball games...!   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2005, 08:30:53 pm
fanstand, I got a similar report about the physical nature of play in the Redlands game vs. the Lady Indians.

I heard we played great defense and Redlands had zero offensive rebounds in the first half.

We gotta get ready for AC!

Travel safely. Ladies!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 01, 2006, 01:11:17 am
Saturday Final:

HSU      92

Texas Wesleyan 71

Happy New Year Everyone!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 03, 2006, 07:21:11 pm
The ETBU Lady Tigers are well on their way to collecting their third non-conference win with a comfortable 37-17 half-time lead against in town rival Wiley.  A win would run their record to 6-3(3-3).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 03, 2006, 10:35:56 pm
Nice to see McMurry Ladies move up to #18. Austin College and the Ozarks will not be push overs by any means. We cannot look ahead to the HPU game. I know we will be ready. I am looking forward to seeing the girls play, seems like it has been a month since I got to SEE a game. HSU only dropped one spot, but thats good for the ASC, right Ralph?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 03, 2006, 11:34:39 pm
ETBU dominates Wily 81-46.  The Lady Tigers were led by freshmen Mary Slaughter of Athens, Louisiana, who had 18 points and 15 rebounds. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2006, 05:38:35 pm
fanstand, I agree with you.  The voters think that we have at least 2 good teams (HSU hanging in there 13 votes out at "#26"),  and MC and Trinity are also in the "receiving votes" category.

If I am going by the "form chart", I see that HSU has 8 games until the McMurry rematch.  They play at HPU; all of the others should definitely be winnable.

If McM and HSU go on a run, they might climb some more. :)

Gotta get by HPU tho'!

As a measure of consolidation around a core 25 teams, I see only 225 votes left over from the top 25 vote getters.  When you consider that a voter has a ballot with 25 places on it 1-25, s/he has 325 votes to cast (1+2+3+...+25=325).  7900 of the total 8125 votes were cast for the Top 25 vote getters.  That is coefficient of .97230. (97.230% of the votes going to the Top 25 votegetters.)

The Top 25 is getting more consistent through the season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 12:07:10 am
Simpson 64 #23 Luther 32!

HSU might creep back into the Top 25 next week!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1fan on January 05, 2006, 07:29:25 pm
Does anyone know the score for the Austin College-McMurry game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 07:40:10 pm
The server is not broadcasting the game.  I have tried calling my sources.  I will post whenever I hear something.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1fan on January 05, 2006, 08:05:30 pm
Thank you!!! I guess since school is out no one is there to do it-- I have emailed but haven't had a response.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 05, 2006, 08:16:41 pm
Thursday final:

HSU  92

Ozarks 70
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 05, 2006, 08:21:12 pm
McMurry just beat Austin College 80-50.  They were pretty sloppy at the start, but by the end Sam had everyone on the bench in the game playing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 05, 2006, 08:25:03 pm
Yes HSU will get back into the polls next week.
And yes they must prove if they are good enough for the post season by first beating HPU.  Possible but has to be seen.  They could have a great game with McM at home.  But then there is the conference playoff.  They have to win that to make the playoffs.  For now the only team that could lose the conference and make the playoff is MCM.

By the way though I am in California I cheered greatly the Texas win last night.  Living in northern cal gives you an extreme distaste for anything from the south.
We say with some affection that USC stands for university of spoiled children.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 08:28:16 pm
It was very easy to be a UT fan last pm.  I got tired of all of the celebrity-cum-football player hype.

The real truth is that Vince Young took a Texas team that trailed by 12 points with 5 minutes left and smash-mouthed USC in their own backyard! :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2006, 08:28:49 pm
McM fan, please keep the updates coming!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 05, 2006, 08:50:15 pm
Follow up on the polls.  So far this week four top 25 teams have lost a game.  Lots of room for upward movement.


I only watched the last 11 minutes of last nights game (church night) but that was all I needed to see of the texas quarterback.  Even my daughters who never watch football were amazed by him.  They later consoled their friends who are all big USC fans.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 05, 2006, 09:22:51 pm
ETBU women get a road win againt UMHB.  Lady Tigers are now 7-3 (4-3).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 05, 2006, 09:41:24 pm
calhsu,
You need to get your priorities straight.  We have choir practice at our church Wednesday evenings, but we changed the time to 5:30 instead of 7:00!   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 05, 2006, 10:58:12 pm
HPU beat UTD pretty easily tonight...HPU 74 UTD 55

UTD was pretty scrappy and hit a lot of shots early on tonight but HPU turned on the D and turned it into a runaway.

I do know Daniels had 26 pts and Blalock had 22 pts to lead the way for the Lady Jackets.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 05, 2006, 11:41:19 pm
Good win for the ladies tonite. Tarra had 28 points, Symbri had 10 assists, Carli 10 points. Everybody played some good minutes. The freshman are really coming along and the upper class are looking good. Tarra was tripled team and still scored. The game was slow at first but once we get in the groove they are hard to stop. Rock on ladies.....11-0.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on January 05, 2006, 11:54:40 pm
O where O where would HSU be if West hadn't transferred, all the articles I have seen on HSU have been about her. Does the rest of the team like that? Even when she isn't the high scorer seems like its all about her. Just a thought.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 06, 2006, 12:04:52 pm
Trying to stir up the HSU locker room?  Well it seems that her remark that was in the paper concerning MCM,  I'd rather lose with HSU than win with MCMurry," could be just as much about how she feels accepted at HSU as it does about not having fond memories of the Indians.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 06, 2006, 12:48:20 pm
matalk,
Some of the impression you have about Sonya has, I think, nothing to do with Sonya but a lot to do with how the local Abilene paper writes its sports stories, as I mentioned in an earlier post.  The paper tends to focus on some player as "human intrest" and then follows him or her throughout the season.  A few years ago, it was the HSU men's soccer goalie, who transferred from McM.  No matter how the team did, even if they got beaten by McM, the paper's articles interviewed Ryan, the goalie.  Something of the same thing happened with our football quarterback this past season.  This year, the featured women's basketball player appears to be Sonya, whether she wants the attention or not.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on January 06, 2006, 02:11:02 pm
Maybe so Mcmfan but I know there are some local girls on that team that don't get to be quoted very often and they play well.  HSU would be struggling without her, so I guess all the attention is warranted. I'm glad she's there. McM played without her last year and did fine, they are on a roll this year without her, so HSU obviously needs her more and that's where she wants to be. We'll just keep Maigen and Coach Densman the transfers from HSU over at McM!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 06, 2006, 07:57:50 pm
Tomorrow's game with the Ozarks is huge. If we win and move on to 12-0 it sets up the showdown with HPU. I hope are girls are taking it one game at a time, take care of the Ozarks, I really would like to see our shot percentage come up a little, though what we are doing right now seems to be working. Nice article in today's paper about the team and Coach Nichols. (I don't know how to put up the web thing)Techno-tarded as I am, I do good just to type. Good luck Lady Indians..........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 06, 2006, 08:12:21 pm
fanstand, here is the McM/AC article. :)

http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_mcmurry_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8787_4367428,00.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 02:14:39 pm
Media Timeout-- 14:47;  UOz 10, McM 6
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 02:22:20 pm
Media Timeout -- UOz 22 McM 14, 9:41 left.

McM has subbed very freely.  McMurry has used 10 players so far.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 02:27:49 pm
UOz 22-21.  8:01.  McMurry had a good 7-0 run with the second wave players.  Starters have re-entered.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 02:44:06 pm
Halftime  UOz 35  McM 29.

Mandi Carter and LaTisha McAlister have 31 points for the Lady Eagles.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 03:01:45 pm
McM leads 38-35 on 3 (HSU Transfer) Maigen Sawyer 3FG's! 17:40 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 03:13:35 pm
McM 45 UOz 44; 12:30.
UOz--Carter layup  UOz 46-45.
McM--Burton FG  McM 47-46.
UOz--Carter FG  UOz 48-47
McM--miss
UOz--OOB
McM--11:18; Allison Nelson FG McM 49-48.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 03:17:00 pm
McM by 1, 49-48.  9:16 left.

McMurry is getting good minutes off the bench today!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 03:24:55 pm
Media Timeout--4:53 McM leading and Tuttle is at the Foul Line.

McM--Tuttle FT  2-2. McM 61-56.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 03:34:14 pm
McM time out, 2:47 left. McM leads,   McM  leads by 6.

UOz--Sawyer knocks ball away. UOz ball, Engleke rebs and is fouled.
McM--Engelke misses the first end of 1&1.
UOz--Carter rebs the miss
Uoz--Horton steals the ball for McM and is fouled on the layup attempt. FT  2-2.   McM 68-60.  1:42.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 03:39:20 pm
McM -- Tuttle FT 1-2. 1:17.  UOz 69-60. McM's Horton gets the loose ball.
McM-- Tuttle  FT  2-2. McM  71-60. 1:08
UOz--Engelke rebs and fouled
McM--Engelke FT  2-2, McM  73-60. 0:48
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 03:41:49 pm
McM--Horton FT 1-2,  McM 74-63.

McM--dribbles to end the game!

McM  74 UOz 63.

I am very encouraged by the depth that Coach Nichols and Coach Densman are developing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2006, 03:59:26 pm
UOz stats:
Carter 13-16 FG 26 pts.
McAlister 19 pts 8-19 FG 8 rebs
Eneks 8 pts 3-17 FG.
Nietert 5; Kimball 3 Briggs 2.

FG 28-68; 3FG  5-23; FT 2-2; Rebs 12 off; 22 def 34 tot.
TO's 16; Steals 10; Blocks 2.

McM--all players who suited up played and the Lady Indians got great minutes from freshman Allsion Nelson, freshman Amber Horton,  freshman Jabri Butler and junior Dee Dee Burton off the bench.

Sawyer 17 pts; FG 6-11; 3FG 4-7; 4rebs
Tuttle 10 pts; 5 rebs 8 assists and 4 TO's
Richardson 10 pts 5 rebs
Freshman Allison Nelson 10 pts FG 3-3, Ft 3-4.
Horton 8 and 3 steals;
Engelke 7,
Burton 5.
FG 22-52; 3FG 7-18; FT 23-31; Rebs 13 off; 28 def 41 tot.
Turnovers 18 assists 19 steals 11.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 07, 2006, 04:00:43 pm
Final:

HSU    68

AC      47

Way to overcome a slow start, Cowgirls! :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 07, 2006, 06:04:53 pm
HPU 72 UTTyler 61

It was a really good competitive game throughout.  HPU would get a 6 or 8 point lead then Tyler would cut it to 2 or get it tied then HPU would jump out to a good lead again.

Sets up a huge game Thursday against McM.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on January 08, 2006, 02:22:07 pm
deballa,  The basketball stars are all in agreement that Thursday's game at HPU with McMurry University women should be one of the real good ones of the year.  HPU has one loss and McMurry will bring a clean record into Brownwood.  HPU is a tough place to play at all times.  With the importance of this game to HPU, McMurry can expect a max effort on the part of Lady Jackets.  I would expect both teams games to rise to meet the challange. 

Coach Nichols played all his players aganist U of O Saturday.  8 or 9 players played close to 10 minutes or more and contributed well.
The Lady Indians should come into HPU rested and, most important, alert and focused for this contest.





Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2006, 02:34:34 pm
bcal, good point.  Coach Nichols played everyone less than 25 minutes except Symbri Tuttle who makes the offense work.

I was glad to see that Richardson and Engelke only played 23 minutes.  That means that the younger posts got some good time.

Here is the box score.

http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/mcozark2.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 09, 2006, 09:21:42 pm
Is it Thursday yet? I'm ready to get it going. Ready for predictions. McM has to win this game! Why? Several reasons. #1 - We owe HPU.....last year's scores 72-55, 56-41, 75-49. #2 - I DO NOT want to hear the "overrated" chant for my girls.  #3 - What a sweet victory for Coach Nichols to be #600 at HPU.  The season is not riding on this game, but it sure will make for believers out of everyone who thinks we aren't for real. Work hard this week girls, get up for this game like you do for HSU. They are the conference champs from last year and we want to be the conference champs this year!!!!!!!!!!Remember who beat us in the tourney, its our turn!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on January 10, 2006, 12:36:06 pm
10 and 0 McMurry vs 9 and 1 HPU, at Brownwood, Thursday at 5:30.  Both teams should bring their "A" games for this one.  Rivals which have history and a close ASC West race.  How sweet it is!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 11, 2006, 02:58:06 pm
I may just have to drive on down to Browntown for this one.  Of course, I will need to drive a little more and eat at the Hard 8 in Brady.  Some like Underwoods but there is nothing like the Hard 8 for BBQ!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on January 11, 2006, 11:55:16 pm
I predict a high scoring game tomorrow night. A high score to me would be in McM favor, a low scoring game might favor HPU, but I think McM has too many weapons and depth. If the coaches keep their cools and the officials call a good game, I think McM by 5 in a low scoring game and 10 in high scoring game. If McM cold on the outside or foul trouble for posts, then maybe HPU could pull it out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 12, 2006, 09:51:44 am
Is it 5:30 yet??? this day is going to drag on and on.  Should be a lot of fun tonight.  If you can't make it there check out the McMurry website or HPU website for links to listen to the game. 

Any fans with kids in grade school in Brown County, your kids will get in free tonight as well as to the games on Saturday against HSU.

GO LADY JACKETS!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 12, 2006, 12:17:51 pm
A nice article about the McM women in today's Abilene Reporter-News.  Hopefully the pre-game publicity won't jinx the team, like teams getting on the cover of Sports Illustrated and then crashing.  The article is online at
http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_mcmurry_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8787_4381779,00.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 12, 2006, 02:39:25 pm
I don't know about that because last night on one of the local stations  had Coach K and Heather Hohertz on their sports cast talking about the game, so everybody got a little publicity. 4 hours till tip off, yes dballa, it's been a slow day.....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 06:47:29 pm
Back from Media Timeout -- McM 13 HPU 4. 14+ minutes.

McM is off to a good start.  Sawyer has hit FT's and has 9 of the 13 points.

HPU in 2-3 zone.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 06:55:41 pm
McM--Venekamp 3FG McM- 16-7.
HPU--Tarra rebs.
McM--Tarra recovers a loose ball and scores 18-7.
HPU--McM fouls, Engelke . 9:17. Media timeout.  McM leads, 18-7
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 07:05:46 pm
Media Timeout-- McM 23 HPU 12.  4:53 left.

Great play by Dee Dee Burton.  She has blocked on shot, picked up a HPU block and then found Maigen Sawyer who drove for a basket and foul.

Playing Allison Nelson and Dee Dee Burton!

Richardson is getting a breather!  Great McM depth!

McM--25 HPU 12.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 07:14:43 pm
3:56 left. HPU Hoffman fouls Burton, FT 1-2. McM 26-14.
HPU--Hoffman fouled by Burton. FT 2 -2.  McM 26-16.
McM--Richardson back in for Burton.  Sawyer 3FG. 29-16.
HPU--Tarra, her 2nd foul.  Blalock FT 2-2;  29-18
McM--Engelke for Tarra, HPU rebs.
HPU--Nelson rebs.
McM--2:28; Engelke misses, HPU rebs.
HPU--turnover 1:59
McM--Jabri Butler in for Engelke. Sawyer FG but fouled shooting FT  1-2. McM 30-18.
HPU--Nelson rebs.
McM--Allison Nelson FT 0-1. McM 30-18.
HPU--Hohertz FG and fouled by Tuttle, Ft good.  McM 30-21
McM--Butler did not get the shot off in time.
HPU-McM Sawyer steals and lay-up. McM 32-21.
HPU--Nelson rebs.
Half McM 32-21.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 07:24:26 pm
Stats
HPU--FG 4-25, 3FG 0-9; FT 13-15; Rebs 18 (2 off 16 def)
Daniels 9 Blalock 4.

McM--FG 11-30; 3FG 3-8; FT 7-10; Rebs 26 (8 off 18 def).

Sawyer 20 pts over the zone.  Tarra 6; Burton 3 Finstad 3.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 07:36:08 pm
McM--Tarra 3 pt play (blaylock gets her 3rd foul.)
McM--Engelke FG  37-21.
HPU--oob
McM--Daniels rebs. Engelke fouls.
HPU--travels
McM--tied up McM possession.
McM--
HPU--Buker layup 37-3-23
McM--Tarra FG 
HPU--Venekamp rebs.
McM--Engelke FG. McM 41-23.   9-2 run 16:23 left.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 07:41:57 pm
McM--Dee Dee Burton, a reb and a 3FG 46-23!
HPU--McM-'s Burton her 3rd foul 13:30 left.  Media Timeout

McM foul trouble--Richardson 3; Engelke 4 Burton 3;
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 07:46:50 pm
McM--Burton FG 48-23
HPU--McM Venekamp fouls; Venekamp steals and misses.
...............................
HPU--McM Butler fouls. Blalock 1&1 both 48-27.
...........................
HPU--Burton fouls her 4th.  Daniels misses the FT after the FG.
McM--time 11:53.  48-29.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 07:51:26 pm
McM--Burton FG
HPU--TO
McM--Sawyer fouled by Pippins.  FT  0-3! McM 50-29.
HPU--Nelson fouls Pippins. FT 2-2.  McM  50-31.
McM--Pippins rebs.
HPU--Burton rebs.
McM--Hohertz rebs.
HPU--Buker layup
McM--oob  9:47.  McM 50-33.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 08:01:06 pm
McM--playing plenty of freshmen. Shot clock violation
HPU--Tarra steals.
McM--Tuttle FG 52-33
HPU--Finstad fouls (10th of the half). Daniels FT 0-1; 8:34. McM 52-34.
McM--Horton charges on a drive. 8:15
HPU--Tuttle steals
McM--Blalock rebs.
HPU--7:45; oob Richardson. Blalock FG  52-36.
McM--7:20; Richardson misses.
HPU--traveling Daniels
McM--Sawyer FG 54-36.
HPU--6:30 Venekamp rebs.
McM--Engelke FG 56-36
HPU--6:05; Engelke rebs.
McM--Pippins rebs but baseline call. 5:32
McM--Richardson FG 58-36
HPU--Richardson fouls Hoffman FG FT good 58-39.
McM--Richardson FG 60-39.
HPU--1st 3FG made 60-42.
McM--Venekamp rebs, oob 4:18
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 08:06:43 pm
HPU--Blalock FG 60-44
McM--4:00; Sawyer 22 Richardson 15 Engelke 6 pt but 15 rebs. Burton 10 points.
McM--Hohertz fouls, the 4th of the half.
McM--Sawyer travels
HPU--3:40 oob on McM defense.
HPU--Richardson rebs.
McM--3:14--Richardson FG
HPU--2:45. Daniels layup. 62-46
McM--2:20  Engelke misses. HPU rebs.
HPU--Richardson rebs
McM--Richardson FG.  64-46. 1:37
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 08:09:45 pm
HPU--Hoffman FG  64-48.
McM--misses
HPU--Tuttle rebs.
McM--Jump ball.
HPU--Engelke rebs.

Final McM 64 HPU 48.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 12, 2006, 08:18:51 pm
Final:

HSU   75

SRSU  61
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 12, 2006, 08:20:24 pm
Wow! Way to go McM...great win on the road against the defending conference champs.  Don't get complacent...keep grinding and working hard.  Congrats!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 08:24:41 pm
Stats:

HPU--Daniels 19; Blalock 10; Hoffman 9
FG 12-47; 3FG 1-17; FT 21-25; Rebs 34 17 turnovers.

McM--Sawyer 22; Tarra Richardson 19 pts/6 rebs; Burton 10 pts/ 4 Rebs; Engelke 6 pts/15 rebs;  Tuttle 2 pts and 10 assists; FG 26-61; 3FG 4-11; FT 81-4; Rebs 44; TO 13; Assists 15
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 12, 2006, 08:46:18 pm
Congratulations, McM Indians!  But don't forget... classes resume on Monday!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on January 12, 2006, 09:36:04 pm
BIG win for Coach Sam Nichols, win number 600!!!

BIG win for the team, 13 & 0 aganist a good HPU team.

Sul Ross at Alpine on Saturday night.  Keep it going. 

Alacumba!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 12, 2006, 10:29:39 pm
ETBU bounces back from a dissapointing loss at Letournea tuesday, as they roll Louisiana Colelge in Marshall, though I can't recall the final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 12, 2006, 11:01:09 pm
Congrats to McM tonight on a good win.  HPU just shot horrible all night long.  Missed way too many open shots and didn't block out giving McM a lot of 2nd chance opportunities.  HPU definitely should have lost tonight but that score shouldn't have been 16.  Sawyer had one heck of a night, I hope Nichols gave her a big hug after the game :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 12, 2006, 11:50:49 pm
Congratulations McM!  To spank HPU so convincingly in the Browntown Mausoleum is quite a testimony to your strength.  That is one tough place to play but you certainly did it up right!

Ralph, it looks like your girls are for real! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 13, 2006, 01:37:00 am
Good game tonight for the L.I.B. I never could relax the whole game, thinking HPU could get back in it. We played great defense all night long. The depth of this team is what helps and the unselfish play of the players makes all the difference. Great job and what a special night for Coach Nichols, with a special group of young ladies. Keep working hard and smiling big...............13 and 0!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 13, 2006, 11:27:29 am
Saturday's game for HSU and HPU is very critical. Mainly because both need to win a big game to restore confidence. If the Cowgirls could win they have only home games with MCM and HPU.  But McM is not going to lose two conference games so they are a lock for the regular season championship.   Right now it is all about the conference playoffs.  McM could lose in the playoffs and still go to the big dance.  All the rest except MC have to win the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 13, 2006, 12:32:03 pm
Simply looking at the performances of HPU and HSU so far this season I find it hard to believe that HPU will lose to HSU at home.  HSU fans can only hope the Jackets will perform as poorly as they did against McM or the Cowgirls will perform as brilliantly as McM did against HPU.  Since I did not make the game I don't know who gets the credit, or the blame, for the results.  Dballa thinks it was HPU's poor performance.  Fanstand thinks it was McM brilliance.  Either way, back-to-back losses in the Mausoleum are not likely.  HPU will probably bounce back and HSU has not shown any reason to put a great deal of confidence in them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 13, 2006, 12:38:35 pm
Now don't put words in my mouth :) I did say HPU should have lost that game because McMurry did come out fired up and ready to go.

Shooting 16% in a half will make you lose just about any game unless it's a jr high game.  HPU missed so many open shots you would have thought it was played on a neutral court. 

They most likely will bounce back against HSU and shoot a better percentage but both the defense and offense will have to perform well in order to pick up a win and keep that 2nd place spot.  Should be a fun game on Saturday.  Hopefully a lot more fun than watching a 26% shooting performance.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 13, 2006, 06:21:17 pm
HPU had 21 points on free throws. Did McM foul that much? I was there and it was a little one sided, but the officials were not the deciding factor in the game. When you only have 2 assists and shoot 26%, you are not going to win. I think HPU will rebound against HSU. The key to last night, was McM was relaxed and HPU was feeling the pressure. I think HPU will relax against HSU and HSU will feel the pressure. The target has shifted to the back of the McM Lady Indians, now everyone will be gunning for them. As long as they stay loose and focused and play their style of B-ball they should win the West. HPU and HSU should both have no trouble getting to the tourney. The 4th place team could be Schreiner or any of the other teams. No let down L.I.B., Sul Ross' court does some crazy things..........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 14, 2006, 03:52:04 pm
Half: 

HPU over HSU 21-15
....................................... ......

Final:

HSU over HPU  51-48
....................................... .....................

Late in the game the score was 46-37 HPU!!!

Unbelievable comeback!!!

Congratulations to the Cowgirls!!! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 14, 2006, 04:49:21 pm
It might be noted in the HSU victory that Sonja West wasn't much of a factor because of back problems -- and the Cowgirls managed to pull off the win anyway.  This is not a one-player team, as some posters seem to think.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on January 14, 2006, 05:09:34 pm
McM wins again...74-52 over SRSU...glad to get that road trip over with.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 14, 2006, 06:16:53 pm
I just can't explain the shooting woes that HPU is going through right now.  They are getting so many open shots and not converting. Plus today they had at least 6 or 7 that just rolled around the rim and went out.  Very unfortunate.  Definitely a game that shouldn't have been lost.  Take away my karma points for what i'm saying i don't care, but thats a game HPU shouldn't have lost.

Maybe a few road games will help them get their focus back.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 14, 2006, 09:35:14 pm
Final:

HSU over HPU  51-48
....................................... .....................

Late in the game the score was 46-37 HPU!!!

Unbelievable comeback!!!

Congratulations to the Cowgirls!!! :)

Amazing!  Congratulations Cowgirls!  I would love to say I believed in you all along but I had huge faith issues! 

This HSU team is hard to predict.  That HPU team is too!  In years past I always felt the deciding factor between the two was coaching but I think that went out the window last year.  For those of you who were at the game (s), is Dballa's perspective that the losses should be attributed to HPU's poor shooting right on target or is something else at play here?  Is coaching, conditioning, heart, hustle, confidence, discipline, or anything else an obvious factor.

McM is the team to beat.  HSU and HPU are going to fight to the end for that second place in the west!  Should be an exciting finish to the regular season!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 14, 2006, 10:53:41 pm
Way to go, Lady Indians!

Great game by everyone!  Good minutes from all players.

I was pleased with the team play that we saw from the myriad of combinations that Coaches Nichols and Densman put on the floor.

The stats do not reflect all of the performances, including steals, turnovers and assists, so McMurry fans, don't read too much into the stat sheet.

The team should be happy with the progress that they are making.  As good as this win feels, each player knows what she needs to do to improve...more "lift" on your shots and free throws, crisper passes, better position on rebounding and defense.

Get back into the routine of classes and ball next week.  One game at a time!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 15, 2006, 12:24:01 am
The season has come down to four  teams.  HPU is in real trouble.  MC and MCM are a lock for the regular season championships.  HSU has to beat the two teams it lost to.   The game at home against McMurry is only about pride.  Even if HSU wins they have two conference losses.  For HSU it would be a confidence builder.  A loss for the Indians  is only important for a perfect season.
It is all about the playoffs.

Is it to early to say I was right in the begining of the season about the haves an have nots.   The top four teams are untouched in both conferences.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 15, 2006, 06:48:42 pm
I will agree with Dballa's view of the game. I have never seen HPU shoot that bad before. A lot of open looks were missed and like he said some were going in and rimmed out. If the girls had hit shots the game agaisnt McMurry would have been competitive and if they had hit shots agaisnt Hardin-Simmons they would have won. I think they hit a grand total of 2 three pointers in the two games behind. But the bright side is we still have time before the conference tourney to find our touch.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 15, 2006, 06:53:55 pm
I will agree with Dballa's view of the game. I have never seen HPU shoot that bad before. A lot of open looks were missed and like he said some were going in and rimmed out. If the girls had hit shots the game agaisnt McMurry would have been competitive and if they had hit shots agaisnt Hardin-Simmons they would have won. I think they hit a grand total of 2 three pointers in the two games COMBINED. But the bright side is we still have time before the conference tourney to find our touch.

Sorry about the confusion
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 15, 2006, 08:42:33 pm
How about mid-season assessments.

I think that we have 3 of the Top 6 South Region teams, McM, Miss Coll, and HSU.  The women's selection committee will rank the top 6 women's teams. (The men will rank 8.)

Who will be the four ASC tourney participants from each division?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 16, 2006, 11:34:42 pm
How about this ASC fans!

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?lg=cbw&sub=III&mid=6

McM #1
MC  #2
HSU #14
HPU #29

Kinda fun what a computer program can spit out! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 17, 2006, 12:28:44 am
Wow, that's pretty awesome. Kind of scary though. This is a time we could get relaxed and feel pretty good. We cannot afford to let our guard down or rest on our laurels.  I hope the Lady Indians continue to work hard and not change their work out habits.  This part of our schedule may look easy, but I am not relaxed about any game. We must bring it every time we step on the floor. We must continue to push each other and strive to get even better. I know some teams let up thinking they are coasting, but as we approach tournament time, we must be hungry. A record breaking year, the best ever is what we should be shooting for. Good Luck and work hard ladies, it's yours for the taking.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 17, 2006, 10:47:37 am
Can't fool me.  Dr. Massey must be some computer teacher at McMurry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 17, 2006, 01:36:19 pm
What concerns me about the ASC teams, good as they are, is that they are pretty much playing only conference games.  The Masseys are very much subject to what I call the "WIAC effect" in this situation.

I think McM is the class of the state this year, but would like their postseason chances better if they were able to play some serious non-conference contenders.  Kudos for the trip to California, but those two games, and a game against SCAC mid-pack Southwestern,  are it.  The ASC schedule doesn't allow for a lot of non-conference play, and it's too bad that it costs so much for our teams to head up to the midwest or back east in order to play some of that stiff outside competition.  Compare, say, DePauw's non-conference schedule, to McM's.  DPU's only loss is by 1 point at 13-1 Washington U, a perennial championship contender.  They have lots of other wins against good D3 teams.  It helps being in the middle of the country, doesn't it?

I have read on a couple of boards that some teams let themselves get slaughtered by D-I teams in order to fund some of this travel in future years. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 17, 2006, 03:51:02 pm
Since the winner of the west doesn’t host the conference tournament this year, winning the division has little payoff except seeding.  And with several closely-matched teams, that's not a big deal, either.  Last year, McM was 3rd seed in the west but still got to the tournament final.  So, while I would LOVE McM to remain undefeated, all I really care about is winning those three final tournament games.  Go Indians!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 17, 2006, 04:45:08 pm
Significant momentum going into the tournament would be another great benefit of winning your last regular season games.  Losses hurt!  Go by an HPU practice this week and ask them just how challenging it is to deal with the emotions of back-to-back losses at home!  The defending conference champs allowed the best home court advantage in the West to be lost last week.  Now they have to play teams that beat them in the Mausoleum on their home courts.  Momentum has certainly swung! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 17, 2006, 05:15:14 pm
They did win in Brownwood, but wasn't the same home crowd as in past games.  1500 people for the games combined instead of the normal 1800 to 2300 at a single HPU/McM HPU/HSU game in Brownwood isn't going to be as big a factor especially when half of that crowd is from the visiting team. 
So it wasn't quite the home court advantage as it usually is.  But don't forget HPU also blew out McMurry on their home court last year as well as winning easily in all their games in the conference tourney on HSU's floor. 

Once HPU gets their scoring back in line with how it was in the first semester they'll be right back in the race. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2006, 06:14:12 pm
dballa, HPU plays at McM on Feb 9th, at HSU on Feb 11th and at SRSU on Feb 13th.  That is a tough road trip even if you are spending a couple of nights in your own bed!

The legs might get you in Sul Ross, altho' they will have made the "same" road trip...at HSU at McM and then back to Alpine.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 17, 2006, 08:34:11 pm
Even momentum can be misleading.  McM lost its last three regular season games a year ago, to HPU away but to UMHB and Concordia at home.  Yet we bounced back in the conference tournament.  (Of course, some of this was because Coach Nichols didn't play Tuttle, who was injured, in those losing games, giving her more recovery time for the tournament; and I remember HSU lost one of their starters to injury in the tournament game before they played us, so they were lacking her).  HPU looked unstoppable in the tournament and then lost to Trinity in the Mausoleum.   I think McM, HSU, and HPU are closely enough matched right now that, assuming they all make it to the tournament without major injuries, anything can happen.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 17, 2006, 08:54:04 pm
Ralph I think they have enough stamina to last through all 3 of those games, at least to play defense well.  It's just a matter of HPU stepping up and hitting shots.  Against HSU they had a lot of them roll in and out of the rim, which is unfortunate.

HPU should win easily out in Alpine and if they win one of the games in Abilene, hopefully both coming from this point of view, then they should be ready to play well in the conference tournament.  But those games are a long ways off.  They still have 6 games before that weekend comes up and have to play well in all 6 to be ready to go to Abilene and compete.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2006, 08:56:38 pm
dballa, the key is to try to catch MissColl in the Finals.  However, MC is going to have to face 2 of those 3 in the Tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 17, 2006, 09:09:40 pm
I don't know I think I would rather play them in the 2nd round game.  You would already have experience from the first game and be comfortable with the setting but MC wouldn't have the moment of 2 straight wins in the tourney, kind of like HPU did last year when they played McMurry.  Once they got rolling nobody was going to stop them in the tournament.  You catch them early and there's a better chance of catching them offguard.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 17, 2006, 11:21:38 pm
I believe the home court advantage in Browntown has little to do with the crowd but more with the poor facility.  Most ASC teams play in well-lit gymnasiums with good, solid flooring and goals that are mounted to the walls, not in a dark, dingy building with a temporary floor and goals held in place with 55 gallon drums.  Shooting the ball has to be tough with depth perception issues playing in that Mausolem.  HPU practices in that facility daily so they have a real advantage over a team that plays there once a season.  Both McM and HSU must be feeling good about their chances of taking their home games against HPU this season. 

And why are you slamming my Karma points?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 17, 2006, 11:37:11 pm
I didn't know HSU's goals were mounted to the wall and didn't know the lighting in McMurry was top quality but whatever you say.  If you're telling me HPU's crowds have nothing to do with their homecourt advantage you've lost your mind.  Ask any player who has shot a free throw in the 2nd half when the student section was sitting behind the goal. 

MC's court has the same depth perception with their high roof...

oh and how many D1 or D2 schools have their goals mounted to the wall? what does that have to do with anything anyways?  Go ahead and break out a copy of Hoosiers if you want and check out the scene where the measure the height of the goal and distance to the free throw line.  It's all the same.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 18, 2006, 12:20:50 am
Mounted to the walls or hanging from the ceilings, whatever.  Take a chill pill and don't be so defensive over your 55 gallon drums!

The point I attempted to make is that the Mausoleum is a tough place to play and not simply because of the noise the students make.  I would venture to say that most would agree that the Jackets have a huge home court advantage because of the facility itself.  There is a reason it is referred to as the Mausoleum.  To lose back-to-back home games with such a huge home court advantage has to take its toll.

Now, give me some positive karma, please!  :-*
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 12:21:30 am
 :D :D :D :D :D :D

dballa, it's the Brownwood Mausoleum!  I was probably watching McM-HPU basketball in that facility before you were born!   :D :D :D :D :D

I think that that same light bulb is still burning!   Wow!  It's gotta be in The Guinness' Book of Records!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 12:25:10 am
 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

That single solitary light bulb.... It's such a dedicated little light bulb!  It just does its job, every night since the Nixon Administration!

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

ROTFLMAO  :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 12:29:47 am
Okay, how old are the facilities?

McMurry- Kimbrell Arena, 1973, when Coach Ron Holmes was a freshman.
SRSU--The "Pete P" Gallego Center--  ?2002?
HSU--??
UMHB--2005
Schreiner--???
TLU--???
CUA--???
HPU---???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 18, 2006, 12:34:23 am
That's why you're our hero around here, Ralph.  You actually remember things back in the Nixon administration!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 18, 2006, 12:37:45 am
I wasn't being defensive just making my point as you were.  
Ralph the Coliseum is only 11 yrs older than Kimbrell which was built 3 yrs before I was born so I'm sure you were checkin out games there as well :)


And like I said about the home court.  When it's a full crowd it's a completely different environment.  If you've been to a game with a large crowd and one with only a couple hundred people you definitely would know the difference.  Being an HSU fan I would think you would know that.  The crowd can pump up the home team and get in the mind of the visiting team.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 18, 2006, 12:38:36 am
Okay, how old are the facilities?

McMurry- Kimbrell Arena, 1973, when Coach Ron Holmes was a freshman.
SRSU--The "Pete P" Gallego Center--  ?2002?
HSU--??
UMHB--2005
Schreiner--???
TLU--???
CUA--???
HPU---???

HPU -- 1963 according to the Handbook of Texas Online
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 18, 2006, 12:47:36 am
I know exactly what you are talking about, Dballa. (Postive karma deserved)  Home court advantage is huge and in no small part to crowd support. (Positive karma?)  The Browntown facility with students sitting right behind the backboards is one of the best examples as you clearly articulated. (Surely that statement deserves some positive karma)  That makes my point all the more - losing back-to-back home games with that tremendous home court advantage has to be playing havoc on the minds of those Lady Jackets!  It will be a difficult mental hurdle for the girls to overcome.  The McM and HSU squads must feel they are now at an advantage.  However, if any team can overcome the odds it will be those Lady Jackets, our ASC defending champs! (Come on, now, positive karma is in order!)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 18, 2006, 12:47:54 am
I don't know how old Schreiner's is but I think by 2008 they are suppose to have an all new athletic facility if they get the funds raised.  They have diagrams on their website which looks like it will be a nice facility.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 12:48:55 am
That's why you're our hero around here, Ralph.  You actually remember things back in the Nixon administration!   ;)

That is because I went thru college avoiding both "leaf" and "fermented grain"! :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 18, 2006, 12:51:22 am
inthepaint that was the bad thing about playing HSU and McM this weekend though with the students gone and a lot of other local HPU fans at the Brown County Youth Fair.  It just didn't seem like the typical home crowd.  I think the fans were about even for Saturday's games against HSU and for Thursday's game against McM there was a decent crowd but not the rowdy one with students...

It should be fun going to Abilene because a lot of HPU fans will be making the trip and there will definitely be a lot of HSU and McM fans at the games.

It's just a disappointment that the conference tournament will probably be at MC this year and a lot of West Division fans won't be able to make the trip.

Oh and on the karma points I went from 11 to 5 in less than a week...so I feel no pain for ya :) haha
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 18, 2006, 01:11:32 am
and on the karma points I went from 11 to 5 in less than a week...so I feel no pain for ya :) haha

I have never even seen the light of day on a karma ranking of 11!  You and the Lady Jackets have had a tough week!

You will have to take all of my posts with a grain of salt because, unlike Ralph, I killed so many brain cells in the '70's that I really can't be responsible for what I post here. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 18, 2006, 11:40:03 am
Dballa simply confirms my point.  I suspect McM and HSU both escaped a bullet by playing in the Mausoleum before the students got back, which gave the away teams less of a disadvantage than they normally would have had.  And it remains to be seen whether HPU's low shooting average at those two games is the start of a treand or just a fluke.  It is still a long season.

Incidentally, how do you get these famous karma points?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 11:45:03 am
Karma is discussed in the FAQ's.

http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=42
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 18, 2006, 12:03:40 pm
mcmfan, on this board you gain karma points from inthepaint by saying good things about HSU and lose them by saying negative things :)

But like you said i'm hoping those two games were just a fluke and a couple poor games that they got out of their system and are ready to go the rest of the way.  It sure makes for some better basketball to watch when both teams are playing well.  It definitely makes fans want to attend the games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 01:27:14 pm
I want an ASC team, preferably McMurry, to win it all!  That way everyone in the country will know that we play great basketball in Texas.

Trinity has shown it and won it all.  McMurry defeated Trinity that next December.

HSU has been so close so often, leading everyone to think that the ASC is a "one-trick pony".

We need another team, and I volunteer McMurry, or HPU or MissColl or someone else to win it all.  Very few teams see us play.  It will take national wins (Final Four)  so everyone will know how good we are.

As for karma, I would appreciate some lurkers from other schools giving their honest assessments about the games that they saw.

It is not fair to smite someone for good natured boosterism that does not belittle or "diss" another team.  We should applaud serious discussions of the games that we see or follow on the net/radio.  Smiting should be saved for truly tasteless, unsportsmanlike or undignifiedly ignorant statements.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 18, 2006, 01:34:22 pm
Ralph the good thing about this year is that both McMurry and HPU are really young.  HPU only loses Sr after this year and she's not getting all that much playing time.  McMurry I think has a pretty young core as well.  I don't know about the rest of the conference but if these teams continue to improve it's very possible to go deep in the playoffs, if not this year then next year is looking very bright. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 18, 2006, 03:18:01 pm
mcmfan, on this board you gain karma points from inthepaint by saying good things about HSU and lose them by saying negative things :)

That is not true at all!  I am deeply offended and if I had not already applauded you this morning, Dballa, I would be smiting you right now!  ;)  I have to wait 18 hours before I can act.  Fear not, however, as i will surely calm down by then!  I think your post about my karma practice was a Freudian slip, my dear brother!  You may have just revealed your personal approach to the giving and taking away of karma points.  Speak well of HPU, gain karma; Speak ill of our beloved Jackets, lost karma.

I give karma points to people who make strong points and communicate them well.  A karma point is basically an affirmation of a post and there are many opportunities to give "good karma."  For an example just look at Ralph's karma ranking.  The boy always makes excellent points backed by fact, not feeling, and people say "Amen" to him via "good karma."

Ralph is my mentor and, as you can see by my posts, I always make excellent points backed by fact, never feeling.  Feel free to slap some good karma on me, brothers!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 03:34:34 pm
Paint is right about the postings that we see from our loyal and cordial group of fans.

I appreciate getting game reports from other fans.  Messages will make or break the quality of fan support that we have around the conference.

D3Hoops.com is a big plus for our brand of basketball, and I maintain that we have as good or better fan support than most of the Lone Star Conference schools.

Where are we likely to get great recruits?  By convincing them that their experience at our ASC school will be better than any place else they can play, NAIA, D2, D1 or whatever! ;)

This resource may persuade some high school kid that she likes what she sees in D3 and in the ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 18, 2006, 04:11:22 pm
I confess that I don't know enough about all of the school that make up the ASC.  I do know that any student would do well to attend HPU, HSU, McM, UMHB, or Austin College.  Now, before any fans of other schools wig out here, I confess that I don't know about your schools.  They may be every bit as good as the ones I listed.  I just know that when a student or parents tells me of their connection with any of the schools I listed I can say with complete confidence that they made a great choice!

Student/athletes who attend these D-III schools get an outstanding education and the chance to play basketball at a level that many would not believe exists at a non-scholarship program.  Ralph is right, our future strength demands that we keep this word out there and I am thankful for D3hoops.com, a marvelous means by which the programs can be promoted.  Thanks!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 18, 2006, 08:02:14 pm
I will be glad to be home tomorrow night and hope McM has had a good week. I think HPU will bounce back this week. They are a young team, and lost some talent last year and are looking for that "team" chemistry I think. Their defense has been their strength, and I would bet they have worked on their offense all week. I think the West will take three strong teams to MC for the tourney and the East will have the pressure to out do the West. Coach Nichols was on a local TV station earlier in the week and said he wanted to avoid the 2 "S's". Selfishness and softness, so I know he is working the girls hard this week.  I think they are focused so lets move to 15-0 tomorrow ladies. Keep smiling.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 18, 2006, 09:30:16 pm
[quote author=Ralph Turner

HSU has been so close so often, leading everyone to think that the ASC is a "one-trick pony".

We need another team, and I volunteer McMurry, or HPU or MissColl or someone else to win it all.  Very few teams see us play. 


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RT, anyone else, who beats out HSU is welcome...and whoever it is, I hope they do better than HSU has...however, I'm not sure HSU has been only a "one-trick" pony, ... they have carried the ASC banner quite well when they did get in the playoffs.  HSU has had some great players and may have done even better, if there had been greater depth...but IMHO, they have been more than a "one-trick" pony!  I'm not trying to start an argument, just giving credit due.....where it is warranted.   ...and I realize you said, "ASC may be a one-trick pony..."...I just wanted to give my two-cents from another HSU fan's perspective!

Go Cowgirls!!!  (I hope you have more "tricks" up your sleeves!)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 18, 2006, 09:37:33 pm
BTW, speaking of "young" teams.  HSU's roster shows only one senior...Sonya West-TR.  Sonya has played great  and has been a tremendous asset, but HSU has also won without her in some games...due to a back ailment.

So, there should be some excellent teams in the ASC for the near future!

Go ASC!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 18, 2006, 09:43:51 pm
dsc, I was quite specific in my use of that term.

With the exception of the 2000 McMurry team that defeated a #10 Simpson and Hendrix on their way to the Sweet 16 against HSU, HSU is the only ASC team to win a NCAA Playoff game since then.  Part of the problem is that we are a 16-team conference that funnels down to one Pool A bid.  The other is that HSU was so dominant over that 6-year period from 1999-2004.

The one trick that the "ASC Pony" can do is an HSU NCAA Playoff win. :)

We need to learn a few more tricks! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 19, 2006, 12:35:48 am
I woud like to hear some opinions for ASC player of the year. I know its still early and a lot of basketball is left but who sticks out. Even being a HPU fan I see Tara Richardson in the West as the front runner. As much as I don't like saying it. She is the front runner with her team being undefeated and putting up 19 agaisnt HPU opened my eyes, not sure about her other numbers. I think one player who might get it if Tara falters is Meia Daniels. I am partial, I'll admit it, but she scored 19 and 20 agaisnt McMurry and HSU. Sorry I don't have other names to throw out, but other views are welcomed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 08:19:39 am
I will recommend co-players of the year, both from McMurry.  Post Tarra Richardson and point guard Symbri Tuttle.

Post- Tarra Richardson - sophomore.  Excellent player who can dominate a game.  Tarra actually benefits from the presence of another post, senior Carli Engelke.  As a tandem, they are stronger than the "sum of the parts".

McMurry has six strong players who can play inside.

Junior Dee Dee Burton gets my vote for "Most Improved".  She has made great strides this year.  Her minutes for either Tarra or Carli have been crucial.

Three freshmen Coach Nichols has brought in have also made great strides on a team that has done so well.

Post Jabri Butler (Mansfileld) can mix it up inside.  She is a tough player that I think will make her presence felt if McMurry plays some really large northern or northwestern schools.  Most Texas women's high school basketball players are relatively "dainty" compared to the players we see in the Northwest, the Midwest/Great Lakes and the Mid-Atlantic.  Jabri will help there.

Post Allison Nelson (Winnsboro) has made great strides.  Her game against SRSU was a beauty.  McMury never missed a stride when Allison came in for Tarra and Carli.  She is especially important when either Tarra or Carli get some fouls and need to be "sat down".

Wing Ashley Stephens (Dayton) actually looks good when she goes inside.  Maybe not a natural post, at 5'10", she is tall enough to help on defense if and when we see the taller/bigger players in the NCAA playoffs.

Point Guard - Symbri Tuttle.  If asked to choose only one, then IMHO, Symbri is the player of the year.  She is the hardest to replace.  She makes the offense run smooothly.  She is among the 3-4 best point guards in the country and definitely my choice.  I have not seen Randolph-Macon College's Megan Silva whom Pat Coleman likes a little better.  (Pat Coleman saw Symbri play against Hardin-Simmons when he visitied in Jan 2005.)  I am pleased with the minutes that we have gotten from Amber Horton from Mansfield and Amanda McEwen from San Antonio, who have also played point guard.

I like the unselfish nature of this team.  They know the contributions that each can make when called.  They actually need to get tougher and harder for the hopeful playoff run.  I have not mentioned the wings and off-guards, but this is a wonderful team!  They just have to believe the coaches about what it will take from this point onward.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on January 19, 2006, 12:03:55 pm
'Most Texas women's high school basketball players are relatively "dainty" compared to the players we see in the Northwest, the Midwest/Great Lakes and the Mid-Atlantic.'

I couldn't disagree more with this statement.  You can maybe say the Midwest has some tougher kids but Texas basketball and especially if they are playing in the ASC is some of the most physical in the country.  Trinity has played teams from across the country in recent years.  They have struggled against the ASC and some of the Wisconsin schools but pretty much manhandled teams from everywhere else.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 12:56:31 pm
Moses, thanks for the input, and welcome again, to the ASC board.

I think that we have a genuine difference of opinion.  I thought that the very talented Trinity 2003 National Champion team embodied the physical attributes that it takes to win the National Championship, tall, smart, big and talented.

Deep in my heart, I have wondered if HSU has not had that challenge from the strong physical teams in the conference and have not been able to get past the Sectionals for that fact. (Obligatory kudos for the job that HSU has done in the playoffs!  ;) )

I know that every time I have mentioned the importance of strength training to a coach or national observer, they have agreed with the need for the ASC to be physically stronger.

(Women players, physiologically, the bulk goes away when you decrease the activity.  In 20 years of observing D-1 Women's players as they have moved on in life, the weight training effects have dissipated when they stopped working on weights.)

This should be an area for active discussion!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 19, 2006, 04:11:59 pm
'Most Texas women's high school basketball players are relatively "dainty" compared to the players we see in the Northwest, the Midwest/Great Lakes and the Mid-Atlantic.'

I couldn't disagree more with this statement. 

Like Ralph, I must disagree with your disagreement, Mo!  I have not seen this year's teams take the floor but in previous years the players our ASC champ has faced are bigger, tougher and far more aggressive.  I watched a Sweet 16 game that HSU played a few years back and they got "man-handled."  The simply could not hold position or box out on those bigger, stronger (and quicker) players.  I think one of the best things our ASC teams could do is spend a considerable amount of time in the weight rooms.  An assistant coach who has a great understanding of weight training would be a valuable asset to any ASC squad.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 06:12:56 pm
Well I was hoping to listen to the HPU/TLU women's game but obviously the school's don't care enough about their teams to broadcast the games.  HPU's radio isn't going to either game and judging by the TLU website they are only broadcasting the men's game.  it's pretty sad we're this far into the conference race and fans who can't make the trip to the game can't enjoy listening to them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 06:43:09 pm
I want to the McMurry Athletic Department for the broadcast schedule that they have for the Women's and the Men's Basketball Teams.

McMurry is braodcasting all 22 conference games for both teams.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 07:00:25 pm
Well definitely must be nice :) I think HPU is doing the rest of the home games and only a couple more road games, like at UMHB and the two Abilene games.  Not sure about the Sul Ross trip.

How's the McMurry game going?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 19, 2006, 07:03:09 pm
Early in Clarksville:

ETBU trails Ozarks 37-32 with 6:00 left in the first half. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 19, 2006, 07:21:46 pm
Half:

HSU and UMHB

Tied up at 42...each!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 07:27:32 pm
McM 41 Concordia 31 at the half.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 19, 2006, 07:33:21 pm
ETBU now leads 51-50 in Arkansas with 17:00 left in the ballgame. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 19, 2006, 07:46:43 pm
The Lady Tiger's lead has swelled to 8 (70-62) with about 11 minutes to go. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 19, 2006, 08:07:47 pm
Final:

HSU   88
UMHB 67

Go Cowgirls!!! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 19, 2006, 08:12:50 pm
The ETBU Lady Tigers defeat the University of the Ozarks lady Eagles 96-83.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 08:43:24 pm
McM had an 11-point run at 62-56 with 6 minutes left to go 73-56.

I am not sure of the final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 08:48:23 pm
Ralph I turned it back on and got the post game show but only heard the McM score which they finished with 88 pts.  But I didn't hear how much Concordia ended up with. 

I'm actually able to hear the HPU/TLU men's game it's a miracle :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 09:24:53 pm
HPU 63 TLU 41 Final

Finally got back in the win column.  Shot 39% to TLU's 21%

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 09:38:53 pm
McM-- 88-57 -- on a 26-1 run to finish the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 09:42:29 pm
Coach Nichols said that the McMurry bench wore them down.

CUA--Kassandra Bills hit 21.

McMurry hit 51% on FG.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 19, 2006, 09:49:05 pm
Ralph they just aren't the same without Ashley Edwards are they.  It sure shows this year how much she meant to them last year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 19, 2006, 10:02:33 pm
You wonder how much difference Ashley would have made at HPU or HSU or even McMurry last year.

Ashley was deserving of her All-American Status.

http://www.d3hoops.com/tow/womallam05.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 20, 2006, 11:33:04 am
I thought McM was pretty lethargic for most of the game with CUA last night.  For three quarters of the time, most everybody was cold except Tarra Richardson, who kept us in the game while everyone else was having trouble.  While we won by nearly a 30 point margin, most of that came at the very end.  At that point, McM finally got hot, and CUA started missing and just ran out of steam.  The game was a reminder that even good teams can go cold.  But the good news is that if we do start out sluggishly, the team has the ability to come back very fast when they get things rolling.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2006, 01:12:23 pm
McMurry featured in today's Around the Nation (http://www.d3hoops.com/nation/).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 20, 2006, 01:13:52 pm
Just to point out something about the Massey Ratings cited: They're different than the ones posted in previous years. Until this year, Massey led with the full rankings, the ones that include margin of victory. That one has been pretty accurate lately and was the first to put Millikin in the No. 1 spot, other than one lone D3hoops.com Top 25 voter.

The ones which include margin of victory have McMurry fifth, still very impressive.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 21, 2006, 02:28:46 pm
SCORING UPDATES:

SRSU.......10
TLU.........16

05:54 to go in half

McMurry........18
MHB..............20

About 08:00 to go in half

CUA..............07
HSU..............19

09:04 to go in half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 02:33:12 pm
Crusaders 27, McM 23.  Richardson has 2 fouls and is on the bench.  4:59 Media timeout. McM ball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 02:34:03 pm
HPU 23 SU 20 just under 5 left in the 1st half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 02:44:33 pm
HPU 28 SU 20 at the half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 21, 2006, 02:50:58 pm
 SCORING UPDATES:

SRSU.......20
TLU.........27

Half

McMurry........28
MHB..............33

Half

CUA..............18
HSU..............39

Half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 03:15:11 pm
UMHB time out, 10:00 left in the game.  McM 52 UMHB 49;  UMHB led 33-28 at the half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 03:18:39 pm
HPU 44 SU 35 Not sure of the time but should be around 10 mins if not under
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 03:22:59 pm
HPU 48 SU 38 at the under 10 min media TO
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 03:26:46 pm
UMHB 63 McM 62 ; 5:12 left.   UMHB time out. 

McM 64 -63 4:25 left.  UMHB's Barnes is shooting 2 FT's
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 03:32:11 pm
McM-- 66-65 on a fast break layup by Maigen Sawyer.
UMHB--Wurzbach mishandles the bounce pass.
McM--2:55;  Richardson a left handed layup on a put back 2:25 68-65.
UMHB--Venekamp rebs.
McM--Tuttle pulls up makes the 15ft jump shot.  70-65. 1:49
UMHB--time out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 03:34:15 pm
HPU 63 SU 45 at the under 5min media TO
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 03:36:20 pm
UMHB--Wurzbach throws it out of bounds on the tip drill. 1:25
McM--Sawyer 3FG off a high screen McM 73-65.
UMHB--0:52, Sawyer steals.
McM--0:42; Barnes fouls Engleke. 3rd foul of the half.  0:34

Kit and Leon are questioning why UMHB, with only 2 fouls in the half,has not been giving the fouls on attempts to steal the ball or stop the clock.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 03:37:30 pm
UMHB's Barnes and Heimiller have fouled.  McM has with the ball and leading 73-65.  Time out McM
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 03:40:30 pm
McM--Venekamp makes the drive and is fouled.  FT 0-1.  Venekamp has hit 10 points in the 2nd half.  McM  75-65.
UMHB 75-67.
McM--Sawyer fouled, missed.
Final McM 75-67.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 03:42:18 pm
HPU 72 SU 58 2 mins left in the game
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 21, 2006, 03:43:29 pm
Final:

HSU 85
CUA 46

..................................
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 03:46:02 pm
HPU 72 SU 61 with 1:40 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 03:47:52 pm
McM outscores UMHB 11-2 in the last 3:10.

UMHB has re-built very well.

Wurzbach 21 pts.
Barnes 14 pts & 11 Rebs
Amabile 11 (?) pts.

FG 25-61; 3FG 9-24; FT 8-9; Rebs 38 tot, 13 off + 25 def; TO's 20 Steals 7.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 21, 2006, 03:52:03 pm
HPU 78 SU 63 Final.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2006, 03:54:35 pm
Richardson 20 pts & 10 reb
Sawyer 16pts
Engelke 14pts.
Venekamp 11 and 5 rebs
Burton 9 pts.
Tuttle 11 assists and 2 points (that pull-up jumper in the last 3 minutes when McMurry needed that.  I am glad that Symbri can make that one. Megan Silva has that shot.  Symbri needs to pull that trigger more often to keep the defense more off-balance.)

FG 31-59 (20-29 in the 2nd half). 3FG 7-19; FT 6-12 (ARGGHH!); Rebs 32 TO's 13 Steals 9.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 21, 2006, 03:59:38 pm
Correction:

Latest score per Gametracker:

HSU 87
CUA 44

(For some reason they changed it.)

...all in the interest of truthfulness... :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 21, 2006, 04:26:31 pm
McM is still in first place, but coasting on its laurels.  Compare the point spreads with no. 2 HSU in the last two games:

McM over Concordia by 31; HSU over Concordia by 43
McM over UMHB by 8; HSU over UMHB by 21

We actually trailed for much of the game with UMHB, and only put it away in the last few minutes.  At the start of the season, McM consistently scored higher spreads against the same teams played with both them and HSU.  Now, the opposite is happening.  HSU seems to be playing better right now than we are.  McM needs to remember that every team can beat them; we need to think like underdogs and fight for every point or our perfect season will evaporate!  The moment we start feeling good about leading the division, that lead will disappear.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 21, 2006, 09:49:01 pm
It is going to be a great end of the season run for HPU and HSU and then a tremendous tournament in Mississippi!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 21, 2006, 10:08:58 pm
Mcm fan, I agree we look a little like we are not fired up, but I think the lady Indians will be fine. I do see a little let up in their fire for some of these teams, but they are continually stepping up when they have to. The thing positive I see, is there is no panic on their part, by the coaches or the players, they stay calm and work until they put the other team away. Today I wondered WHEN that would kick in, but it did. As the tourney comes around I think the fire will return. They will work hard and be ready. The other teams, UMHB for example is playing much better than they did at the first of the season. The freshman around the league are getting use to the systems, and chemistry is evolving in everyone. We must prepare for every team no matter what their record. There is no calk walk. Way to pull it out ladies, continue working hard no let up, lets finish strong.......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on January 22, 2006, 12:26:20 am
MC beat UTT by 6 in overtime.  A good hard fought ballgame from beginning to end.  The lead changed back and forth the whole game.  MC was up by three with 6 seconds left in regulation and UTT hit a 3 with 2 seconds left.  I don't know how UTT fared against the west side but watching them today they are tough and they came to play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 22, 2006, 08:17:43 am
Welcome, Nash!  Keep us posted on those eastern games!  Far too little out of the fans east of the Lone Star State.  I'm glad to see you here! :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2006, 09:12:53 am
Welcome Nash, it is great to have someone reporting from the ASC East!

UT-Tyler lost to HSU and McM at home and then lost to HPU on the road. Five wins and 3 losses, as one might expect.

http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=Texas-Tyler&team=w
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on January 22, 2006, 01:04:06 pm
MC's Lacey Kennedy was injured last night early in the second half.  She took a charge and fell hard and it looked like her wrist was hurt.  I don't know anything other than what you could see at the game.  I hope she is alright because her role is much larger than than the leading scorer.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2006, 03:44:40 pm
nash, you are right!  That is a great win for the Lady Chocs!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 22, 2006, 09:02:50 pm
Moses, thanks for the input, and welcome again, to the ASC board.

I think that we have a genuine difference of opinion.  I thought that the very talented Trinity 2003 National Champion team embodied the physical attributes that it takes to win the National Championship, tall, smart, big and talented.

Deep in my heart, I have wondered if HSU has not had that challenge from the strong physical teams in the conference and have not been able to get past the Sectionals for that fact. (Obligatory kudos for the job that HSU has done in the playoffs!  ;) )

I know that every time I have mentioned the importance of strength training to a coach or national observer, they have agreed with the need for the ASC to be physically stronger.

(Women players, physiologically, the bulk goes away when you decrease the activity.  In 20 years of observing D-1 Women's players as they have moved on in life, the weight training effects have dissipated when they stopped working on weights.)

This should be an area for active discussion!

A very respected observer of ASC basketball, having seen a goodly number of ASC playoff games, has done some research and counters my opinion. 

S/he has given me permission to paraphrase these thoughts.

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As someone that has seen several of the ASC’s losses in the playoffs and many of the wins,  the theory that we get dominated by bigger players is not true. Without exception it is guard play where we have not matched up in the past. We in the  ASC do not have guards that can drive, pull-up and shoot the 10 footer or if you lay off, they can bury the three. Almost every guard in the conference can either do one or the other.

We don’t see those guards who can do both in the ASC regular season and that has been the difference in every one of the games that  the ASC has lost in the post-season.

Our posts have always matched up and even dominated at times with their speed. It has been the slashing type guards that have hurt us.

Here is some evidence of the starting guards and post players. The first year St Thomas was bigger, but they also shot well.  Every other year was totally opposite.

 

Year     Opponent                      Posts               Guards
2000     McM loses to HSU in the Sweet 16.

2000     St. Thomas                   22-19, ST         28-22, ST

2001     Baldwin-Wallace           26-22, HSU       36-20, BW

2002     DePauw                        23-11, HSU       43-10, DePauw

2003     Trinity                          41-21, HSU       30-13, Trinity

2004     UW-SP                         *21-16, UWSP  42-32, UWSP

2005     Trinity                          27-25, Trinity  **24-5 Trinity

*The HSU posts were freshmen and in foul trouble, but HSU received 14 post points off the bench.

**HPU gets 18 points off the bench from Meia Daniels.

I feel that Texas does not have as good of high school girls’ basketball as the Ohio, Wisconsin’s, Indiana’s of the world and those teams are all way more fundamentally sound.  We have very few girls in the ASC that can put the ball on the floor and pull up.  Look at the number of traveling violations in almost any game ASC or HS or even D2 for that matter. They are not fundamentally sound from a national perspective. 

There are four players in the league that I have seen do this on a consistent level.  They were/are the superstars in the conference:  HSU's Diana Martinez, CUA's Ashley Edwards, SRSU's April Ramirez and now HPU's Meia Daniels. Those four could dominate, because they could do both.

The Trinity team that won the title in 2003 had five players that could do the drive- and-pull-up thing. All the teams that are good can do it and ASC teams have not shown that. Megan Silva at R-M can do it, and she led them almost single-handedly to the title game. She was doing it as a freshman at R-MC when HSU beat them in the 2003 second round game in Abilene.

http://www.d3hoops.com/story.php?story=18229

If you don’t have that element, you can’t go deep.  McMurry is good this year, but they don’t have anyone that does that either. HSU does not have that type of guard this year either. Howard Payne does (Meia Daniels) and Mississippi College has several girls that can drive, but they can’t really shoot the 3.


I respect this observer’s educated opinion.  We shall see what plays out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 23, 2006, 12:50:57 am
Thanks Ralph...

Good reporting.  Also, thanks to the one who did all that research...quite an effort, I must say!

Some good points.  Remember when "tall guys" were all you needed?  Now a PG is just as valuable...sometimes even more so!

The rest of the season for the ASC is shaping up to be a "barn burner!"  And the conference playoffs should be worth the ticket!
 ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 23, 2006, 10:03:03 am
Ralph,

I appreciate the statistical research.  My perception of our big girls getting dominated in the paint may be flawed.  With that said, the three years that HSU lost at the 16 team bracket or beyond, wasn't Kendra Anderson the team's go-to-girl, essentially the only real dominating presence inside?  Wasn't she all-american at least one of those years and all-conference, all-whatever the others?

My point would be that she held her own against the big, donimant girls inside and that's why those inside numbers look good, but a team can't win at that level riding on the back of one player as they had much of the regular season. 

Again, watching ASC teams beyod the ASC action they get dominated by bigger, stronger, quicker girls.  Guard play certainly plays a HUGE part in the formula for success but it does not negate the fact that our ASC girls are smaller, weaker and end up whipped inside.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 23, 2006, 11:27:12 pm
In the paint, I agree with your assessment of how important the guard play is. When Kendra was at HSU, it seems like they didn't really have to "play" hard (during the regular season),they didn't have to fight back from being behind, they had a pretty easy time winning in the conference and the tourney. When it got to playoffs, Kendra seemed to do alot of the work. I think McM has the guard play to go with the inside game this year. Maigen Sawyer and Kaycee Venekamp are tough, mentally and physically. If one is off it seems like the other one is on. And what can you say about Symbri, she makes it all work together. We have other guards who come in and make things happen also. And our post players have stepped up coming in off the bench. Carli and Tarra have been awesome. Will we be able to hold it all together for the tourney? I think so, I don't think we have peaked yet, and don't lose hope McM fan, I really don't think we are going soft. I know HSU had a good weekend, but I truly believe this McM team has what it takes. Heart and hard work!!!That's what got us to 16-0, that's what will take us to the tourney and into the playoffs. Work hard ladies, you deserve more......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on January 24, 2006, 12:07:00 am
See on the scoreboard that MC beat LA college by 1. Lacey Kennedy not in the boxscore. Where is millie when we need the scoop? Is Lacey hurt or are they letting her heal from the other night? Must have been a close game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2006, 12:40:28 am
Ralph,

I appreciate the statistical research.  My perception of our big girls getting dominated in the paint may be flawed.  With that said, the three years that HSU lost at the 16 team bracket or beyond, wasn't Kendra Anderson the team's go-to-girl, essentially the only real dominating presence inside?  Wasn't she all-american at least one of those years and all-conference, all-whatever the others?

My point would be that she held her own against the big, donimant girls inside and that's why those inside numbers look good, but a team can't win at that level riding on the back of one player as they had much of the regular season. 

Again, watching ASC teams beyod the ASC action they get dominated by bigger, stronger, quicker girls.  Guard play certainly plays a HUGE part in the formula for success but it does not negate the fact that our ASC girls are smaller, weaker and end up whipped inside.


I appreciate the source writing me offline and permitting me to share it with you.

I value the opinions of the source and look forward to any similar emails from others who believe that anonymity is most appropriate for them.   I shall be glad to add their (disguised) voices to this discussion. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on January 24, 2006, 08:47:29 am
MC over LC 74-73 at the buzzer.  I listened to the game over the internet and LC seems to have been struggling this year but not last night.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on January 24, 2006, 09:46:38 am
There may be some debate about the how the ASC has matched up in the past but after seeing a number of posts around the country play this year, I think there are few, if any, better than Tarra Richardson.
Title: Prayer Request for Austin College
Post by: LC-DBO on January 24, 2006, 07:10:52 pm
I don't know how many people know this yet but a freshmen player from Austin College died today in a car accident. I don't know much about it. I heard this information from one of their players today. We need to left this team up our in our prayers and the girl's family. What a tough loss during a season for Austin College. Also, I am asking that you would all prayer for a girl from LC who lost her dad a week ago. She is back playing hard than ever. I know what it feels like to lose someone I lost my dad this summer and I am a senior (21) at LC. Thank you so much and God Bless! <>< Mark 9:23
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 24, 2006, 07:15:33 pm
At the half in Marshall:
Letournea 33 - ETBU 32

Letournea lead much of the first half, at times by double digits, but ETBU closed the gap late.  Should be a great second half. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 24, 2006, 08:00:58 pm
Lady Tigers hold off Letourneau 69-64.  Dallas and Tyler come to town this weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 24, 2006, 09:10:43 pm
fanstand,
I think what has made the McM Lady Indians exciting to watch over the years is how much they've managed to do with so little.  I guess the saying is that they've always played with heart.  But they've had to play with heart given limited budgets, sharing the limelight with the men's team, etc.  Even the game times hurt them: weeknight times at 5:30 are the same time most of the students are still eating in the cafeteria, so they rarely get the fan support that the men get.  They're only getting good coverage in the local paper because they're undefeated.  They have traditionally been scrappy and given it everything they had when they got on the court.
I think someone should take the whole team into Kimbrell Arena and have them look at the championship banners.  There's a forest of them for the men, but only two for the women, 1981-1992 and 1999-2000.  Both are co-championships.  I don't think the team has ever won a championship by themselves.  That's why I think even with their record they're still underdogs this season.  If they want to win the championship, they need to continue to play like underdogs -- always at 100%.!  Go Indians!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: golfnut on January 24, 2006, 09:43:34 pm
You people sometimes amaze me.  Not one of you acknowledged someone that just  told you a FRESHMAN, which means she could not be more than 19 years old, on the Austin College girls team was killed today.  I do not know any of you who post all of the time but maybe  someday you will realize there are more important things in life than HSU, McMurry, and HPU girls basketball.  This will probably be my last post so I will make it a good  one.  My daughter plays for AC and we talked today and she is a mess.   For those of you that care, her name was Brittany Simpson who lived in The Woodlands just north of Houston.  She was evidently driving back from there today and was killed in a car crash.   That is all we know at this time.  I know here parents and I feel for them.  There is a good posibility that we will not play our game on Saturday because the funeral may be that day.   

As I said this will be my last post.  I try to be a nice person and don't let things bother me but I have to tell you what I feel about the fans from the west.  You people need to get a life.  From the first time I posted I recieved a slashing from In the Paint to reading about how good or bad these teams are from the west.  I said this in my first post and I will say this again.  The girls at AC play more for fun and are at AC for the great education.  I am sorry we don't stand up to ya'lls standards for BBall but as today shows, THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE THAN ASC GIRLS WEST DIVISION BASKETBALL.  I will continue to read what ya'll write because it does entertain me.  But for right now I think I will sign off for good as a poster and say a prayer for the Simpson family and the AC girls BBall team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 24, 2006, 09:53:25 pm
1. Everybody's thoughts and prayers are with AC and the girls family.  Thats something that should never happen to anybody especially someone so young with such a bright future.

2.  I'm sure there aren't a lot of people that have seen that she was killed in a car accident, so they haven't had an opportunity to comment if they plan on it. 

3.  This is an ASC women's basketball board so fans are suppose to post scores, their thoughts about previous games, current games and future games.  The reason it seems like everybody thinks it's all about the ASC West is that the ASC West is the only side that has consistent posters, reporting scores and in game reporting.  I think it's mutual that we would welcome any and all observations from the East side.

If anybody has made you feel unwelcome to post here then I apologize and hope you don't feel like you can't post your scores or thoughts on here. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 24, 2006, 10:04:14 pm
Golf nut and LC DBO,

I am a regular contributor to these postings. It is almost ten p.m. here on the East Coast...and I am just now reading about the loss of life in the automobile accident (AC) and the young lady (LC)who lost her dad last week.  Death is sad and I am saying a prayer for these families.

I know they will look toward God for peace and toward their close friends for comfort.  May God be with the families and sustain them.

Love God, Love others  ...nothing else matters!

I have seen other similar postings as yours and they always get acknowledged.  Please consider this the same way.

Take care...and don't feel badly about any perceived oversights.  Thanks...
Title: Re: Prayer Request for Austin College
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 24, 2006, 10:07:06 pm
I don't know how many people know this yet but a freshmen player from Austin College died today in a car accident. I don't know much about it. I heard this information from one of their players today. We need to left this team up our in our prayers and the girl's family. What a tough loss during a season for Austin College. Also, I am asking that you would all prayer for a girl from LC who lost her dad a week ago. She is back playing hard than ever. I know what it feels like to lose someone I lost my dad this summer and I am a senior (21) at LC. Thank you so much and God Bless! <>< Mark 9:23

golfnut, I am sorry to hear of the death of Brittany Simpson.

I have just looked at the Austin College web site, and there is no acknowledgement of Britanny's death as of 9 pm.

http://www.austincollege.edu/

There is nothing on the ASC web site.

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/

Nothing has been posted on the D3hoops.com front page.  Pat Coleman is very good about reporting similar tragedies in the D3 family.

Thank you for giving us more information.  Yours is the first identification of the player!

I am sorry to hear about this.  My thoughts are with the family, friends  and teammates of the Brittany and with the unidentified LC player.

(Parenthetically, how does one respond to a sketchy report for which there is no verifiable information?  I don't think that the fans who read the flash that was unconfirmed ignored it.  I was personally perplexed and waiting for more substantive news.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 24, 2006, 10:18:27 pm
Wow, golfnut, as a parent whose kids travel all the time, this kind of thing strikes us all close to home. Give us a chance, I will pray for this family, I understand that there are more important things in life. It is a scary thing everytime our kids get on a plane or in a van, bus, or whatever. Everyday, I pray for their safety. It is very tragic, the hard part is the world goes on around us no matter what.  I know AC will struggle with this but they will also feel love and support from those around them. They will understand that communities are very special when trials like this happen. Most of us in our lives have been touched by things such as this. I am sorry you  think that we don't care, but we do.
Title: Re: Prayer Request for Austin College
Post by: inthepaint on January 24, 2006, 11:29:13 pm
I don't know how many people know this yet but a freshmen player from Austin College died today in a car accident. I don't know much about it. I heard this information from one of their players today. We need to left this team up our in our prayers and the girl's family. What a tough loss during a season for Austin College. Also, I am asking that you would all prayer for a girl from LC who lost her dad a week ago. She is back playing hard than ever. I know what it feels like to lose someone I lost my dad this summer and I am a senior (21) at LC. Thank you so much and God Bless! <>< Mark 9:23

Absolutely, I will be praying for the family of this student and for the faculty and students of Austin College.  I will also be praying for the LC student working through the grief of losing her father and for you, too, as you continue to find healing.  Thank you for posting this.  I think of the guidance of the Apostle Paul who wrote, "Rejoice with those who rejoice and mourn with those who mourn."  We rejoice over the accomplishments of student athletes all the time on this site and today we mourn.  Blessings, as the Lord meets your every need.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 24, 2006, 11:58:12 pm
Whoa, Golfnut!  Easy there, big fellow!  I just saw the sobering news from AC and responded.  Then I saw your post.  Sorry that you feel that folks did not respond soon enough but I imagine people have responded as they saw the news.

You wrote, "From the first time I posted I recieved a slashing from In the Paint to reading about how good or bad these teams are from the west."  I'm sorry if I offended you in the past.  Honestly, I don't recall what you are addressing but I sincerely apologize for any hurt I may have caused. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on January 25, 2006, 10:43:51 am
golfnut,
 
i am so sorry about the death of Brittany Simpson and my thoughts and prayers go out to her family as well as her family at AC. You are right this is bigger than basketball and will take a very long time to heal. when my daughter was in high school we lost a young man in a car crash and i can tell you 10 years later it still has an impact on these kids as well as the school and this small town. i know these kids at AC will have a lot of support (ya'll seam like such nice people) and this is what they need. as far as bassketball...if they win ..ok ..if they lose...ok. getting through this makes them all winners.

i completely understand you not wanting to post any more. we agree on the way this venue is. i guess until an east team goes high enough for enough years we will not have the tradition that is required to be a serious part of the conversations.  what a shame.

the east will rise again ... oops not again ... just will rise
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 25, 2006, 10:53:47 am
Here is a brief article regarding the accident which claimed the life of Brittany Simpson:

http://www.theeagle.com/stories/012506/local_20060125008.php

My condolences to Ms. Simpson's family, friends, and teammates. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 25, 2006, 11:14:18 am
golfnut,
Just because people haven't posted about the accident doesn't mean they aren't concerned.  My son goes to AC, and I phoned him as soon as I saw the report about the accident.  All he knew at that time was that the girl's name was Brittany, but he was pretty freaked out.  He is on the AC tennis team and of course drives around a lot, especially now that AC just finished their January Term.  It could happen as easily to him as it did to her, a parent's ultimate nightmare.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on January 25, 2006, 12:42:43 pm
golfnut,
I am sorry for your loss and the sadness that has been brought upon the Austin College campus. But in response to your post I believe you owe everyone an apology. Every team suffers tragedy throughout their season. There have been two losses to the Lady Indians of McMurry in one semester. We are still dealing with those deaths everyday. I think it is unfair to accuse of us not caring and only thinking of basketball being important in one's life. Secondly, everyone in Division III plays for fun. WE, the WEST, do not get paid for being a member of any team, there are no athletic scholarships, and we are here to get an education first. I was a former player and had a passion for the game, that is why I played. Basketball is not life, but it is unfair to the WEST to say that is all we care about.  Div. III athletes only play for the love of the game. Sports are just an added bonus to the degree we earn and work so hard for.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on January 25, 2006, 01:10:30 pm
will AC travel to MC of thurs(26th) to play or is this game cancelled?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 25, 2006, 01:25:08 pm
George Levesque interviews HSU coach Shanna Briggs on this week's Sports Talk at www.ARNSportstalk.com.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2006, 07:39:52 am
Great article about McM's Symbri Tuttle.

http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_mcmurry_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8787_4415951,00.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: tejanita24 on January 26, 2006, 07:41:23 am
I want to apologize.  My father is 'Golfnut.'  We have lost and come close to losing quite a few people in my family since Christmas.  My dad has always sympathized so much with those who have lost those that they love and does feel it to be important to do the same.  

In the loss that I have experienced in my 25 years, I have come to realize that our society does not respect those that have passed like they used to.  This may be due to the media or conditioning by seeing death more than past generations have seen.

The only thing that I hope is gained from this post is the acknowledgment and respect for those that have passed and the reason for Daddy's harsh words.  He is a wonderful soul with too much passion and love for others and the game of basketball (and of course golf!).  Sometimes he does just get ahead of himself.  

Personally, this may be my only post, but these four years have not gone without me reading this blog.  I have just chosen not to write.  My sister finishes her senior year this year.  Let it be known that I am so proud of her and the growth I have seen in the past four years of all of the leaving seniors.  Best of luck not only to the AC seniors, but to all of the parents of- and graduating atheletes of D3 b-ball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2006, 08:08:37 am
Good morning, tejanita.

Thanks for the thoughtful first post.

As the details of the event that prompted your father's lamentation of grief and loss became more completely known, we ASC fans were able to put into perspective what had happened.

I don't think that an "apology" is the exact word.  In this one-dimensional from of communication, in which the conveyance is emotion is a very limited set of emoticons, one must just allow an event to unfold.  Actually, you have the entire community of D3 pausing to reflect on the precious nature of life.  What is more, many on this board are acknowledging God's grace, His steadfast love and the assurance of the true Resurrection.  I personally pray that the Holy Spirit be with us all.

Our prayers are with Brittany's family, friends and the entire AC community.

Travel safely. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 26, 2006, 09:08:31 am
Dear Tejanita...and all.

I want to add my feelings to the recent emails on the "loss of loved ones"...be they friend or family.  Let me just say that I agree with Ralph...and mirror his words...as he says them better than I can.

No apology is necessary...no matter what is said at a time such as this...it's OKAY!  No one should fault that.

And, being a "senior citizen" myself...retired military and probably older than golfnut...I can empathize with him.  We all react to death in different ways...all are "okay" ways of expression.

You are right, IMHO, life and death are perceived differently now than "back then."  But I also believe that as we get older, we see things more clearly.

Thanks for your much appreciated post.  May God Bless you, your family...and have a good life!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 26, 2006, 09:12:55 am
Tejanita, I hope that isn't your first and final post.  Your thoughtful expressions are well-received and I assure you that most, if not all, of the ASC basketball community are well aware of the grief being experienced at AC and beyond and are praying for all who hurt.

Any father would appreciate your desire to affirm your dad.  Honestly, there is no need as we all know he was writing out of honest passion and emotion, something we all tend to do at different times and in different seasons around here.  I am convinced that all that is going on will be used for good by our God who promises to do just that.

We understand the all-consuming grief that surrounds the death of a loved one or the death of a friend who passes away much too soon, as in the case of Miss Simpson.  We have all lost people we care for deeply and we know all-too-well the grief that washes over us like floodwaters.  We also know the grace of our Lord that restores joy to hearts overwhelmed by sorrow.  That day will come.  Maybe not today.  Maybe not anytime soon.  However, that day will come.  I know this because i have experienced it and seen it in countless others.

Your family, both blood and your AC family, are being carried to the Throne of Grace all through the day.  The God whose mercies are renewed every morning will meet your every need in Christ Jesus.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on January 26, 2006, 01:53:45 pm
my daughter sent me this poem this morning from   

http://www.collegestudentathletes.com/expertsarticle.cfm?EXID=33

for anyone who loves D3 sports this give an insight into the players and why they do it.  it describes my daughter completely

Why We Play Division III Athletics   
   
It's not about getting a scholarship, getting drafted, or making SportsCenter. It's a deep need in us that comes from the heart.

We need to practice, to play, to lift, to hustle, to sweat. We do it all for our teammates and for the student in our calculus class that we don't even know.

We don't practice with a future major league first baseman; we practice with a future sports agent.

We don't lift weights with a future Olympic wrestler; we lift with a future doctor.

We don't run with a future Wimbledon champion; we run with a future CEO.

It's a bigger part of us than our friends and family can understand.

Sometimes we play for 2,000 fans; sometimes 25. But we still play hard. You cheer for us because you know us.

You know more than just our names. Like all of you, we are students first.

We don't sign autographs. But we do sign graduate school applications, MCAT exams, and student body petitions.

When we miss a kick or strike out, we don't let down an entire state. We only let down our teammates, coaches, and fans. But the hurt is still the same.

We train hard, lift, throw, run, kick, tackle, shoot, dribble, and lift some more, and in the morning we go to class. And in that class we are nothing more than students.

It's about pride—in ourselves, in our school.

It's about our love and passion for the game. And when it's over, when we walk off that court or field for the last time, our hearts crumble. Those tears are real. But deep down inside, we are very proud of ourselves.

We will forever be what few can claim...college athletes.
   

 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 26, 2006, 02:02:29 pm
What a special place this is, that there is a passion and love for everything that needs to be.  How nice to have things in perspective. Of all God's gifts, the greatest is love and this web site is full of all "the right stuff".  Kudos to everyone on what a blessing it is to be a part of DIII and this website. Even our differences are a blessing. Thank you Millie, golfnut, Ralph, matalk, dballa, in the paint, and golfnut's daughter....with so much in this world that is not good, you are all special!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2006, 06:50:37 pm
Very slow start to the McM TLU game.

McM 16 TLU 5 with 10:25 left.

McM is 46% in FG. TLU 12.5%.

Media timeout;  McM 16-9 just under 10 minutes.  McM has scored about 8 points in the last 3 minutes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 26, 2006, 06:51:26 pm
HPU 26 CUA 9 9:52 left in the first half

I think the offense is starting to creep back in.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 26, 2006, 06:57:11 pm
su 21 - hsu 14 bout 10 min. left 1st half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 26, 2006, 07:16:20 pm
HPU 40 CUA 14 at the half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 26, 2006, 07:17:07 pm
cowgirls go on a 8-0 run to finish first half.
38-38 halftime
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 26, 2006, 07:39:02 pm
Mid-way through the second half ETBU and UTT are knotted up at 46.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 26, 2006, 07:46:29 pm
cowgirls 61-47 12 min left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 26, 2006, 07:51:31 pm
63-47 10 min left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 26, 2006, 07:53:48 pm
With about 4 minutes left the Lady Tigers hold a 61-57 lead.  This would be a big win if they can hold on. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 26, 2006, 07:56:49 pm
HPU 66 CUA 45 about 3 mins let in the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 26, 2006, 08:01:09 pm
cowgirls 69-49 7 min left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 26, 2006, 08:02:55 pm
It's over in Marshall:
ETBU 68 - UT Tyler 62

ETBU now 9-6 with Dallas coming in Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 26, 2006, 08:06:00 pm
HPU 75 CUA 51 Final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 26, 2006, 08:07:07 pm
cowgirls 71-58 5 min left starters are going back in
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 26, 2006, 08:15:17 pm
79-59 2 min left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 26, 2006, 08:20:34 pm
cowgirls take it 80-63 final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on January 26, 2006, 08:47:28 pm
McM over TLU by 27. 62-35  Venekamp 14 pts. Engleke 10pts and 9 boards, Burton 10 pts. Everybody played, everybody scored.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 02:15:17 pm
McM 15 Schreinier 6 at 14:40.  Media timeout.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 02:20:03 pm
cowgirls over tlu 21-6
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 02:22:48 pm
27-6 8 min left first half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 02:25:08 pm
McM 19  SU 15; 9:45.  SU is back from an 11 point deficit.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 02:28:17 pm
Schreiner ties at 19 on an 11-0 run.  8:30 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 02:30:44 pm
cowgirls up 35-13 4:33 left in the first half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 02:38:13 pm
Media Timeout  just under 5 minutes -- McM 28, SU 25.

Schreiner has a good young team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 02:44:50 pm
SRSU.....23
CUA.......44

HALF
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 02:45:43 pm
cowgirls up 46-22 half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 02:47:40 pm
McM 41,  Schreiner 34.  Halftime.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 28, 2006, 02:52:21 pm
ETBU 49 - UTD 27
Half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 03:01:56 pm
cowgirls up 55-30 16 min left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on January 28, 2006, 03:11:56 pm
Lady Tigers are piling it on now, as they lead 67 to 33 midway through the 2nd half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 03:15:47 pm
hsu 59- tlu 30 9min left.  they are now deep into the bench.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 03:17:56 pm
tlu is 4 of 12 from the free throw line &
0 for 15 from 3 pt range.
hsu 60 tlu 30
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 03:20:15 pm
hsu 62 tlu 33 7 min left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:21:22 pm
SU 52 McM 47, under 13 minutes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:22:31 pm
McM 53-52.  Richardson gets the defensive rebound, gets down the court and then gets the rebound and put-back.

9:14 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:32:08 pm
McMurry by 9 at 4:56 left.  Media timeout.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on January 28, 2006, 03:37:08 pm
cowgirls take it 75-43 final.
all but 2 cowgirls score.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 03:37:34 pm
SRSU....57
CUA......85

01:30 to go
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:40:35 pm
McM 66-56 4:08.  McM has a 19-4 run.

SU FG 66-58.

McM--turnover 3:38.
SU--Venekamp fouls SU 1&1 to SU.  Fennel Ft  2-2. McM 66-60.
SU--at the foul line. FT Enriquez  FT 1-2. OOB McM ball.
McM--leading 66-61;  Estrada steals.
SU--Enriquez FT  2-2.  McM 66-63.  2:35.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on January 28, 2006, 03:41:03 pm
SRSU....61
CUA......89

FINAL


SRSU ladies (0-15, 0-18) are having a very rough year....hopefully they can turn it around soon!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:44:31 pm
McM--time out; inbounds; 2:14
McM--Richardson misses
SU--  Richardson blocks shot OOB  7 sec on shot clock
SU--Richardson steals.
McM--Richardson lay-up  68-63
SU--Enriquez 3FG 68-66.
McM--Timeout. 0:59 left McM ball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:46:18 pm
McM--18 on the shot clock.  Holding foul by Beck. Team 6th.
McM--Fresh shot clock. McM time (a 30sec.)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:50:08 pm
McM--Hold by Fennel on Richardson-- 1&1. McM 70-66. Richardson has 31 points.
SU--Horton hustle reb!!!
McM--0:46. Tuttle with the ball.  Enriquez fouls Amber Horton.  FT  2-2. McM  72-66.
SU--0:25  Fennel FG. 72-68.
McM--Engelke fouled.  FT 2-2.  74 -68.  14.2 secs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:54:04 pm
SU  FT  2-2. McM 74-70 0:08 left.

The refs in this game are getting lots of commenary by the McMurry announcers about calls completely missed.

Because of the description of the action, I can conclude that these refs don't have a clue.

Engelke fouled, 10th of the half.  FT 2-2. McM  76-70.  Engelke is an 81% FT shooter.

Final McM 76-70.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 04:01:22 pm
SU--Enriquez 22 pts; Fennell 17 pts; 17 rebs; Beck 13 pts; Lopez 10 pts

FG 24-53; 3FG 6-16; FT 16-20; Rebs 27; TO 19; Steal 11.

McM--Richardson 31 pts/ 11 rebs; Venekamp 12; Engelke 8pts but FT 6-6;

FG 26-50; 3FG 4-9; FT 20-26; TO 18; Steals 7
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on January 28, 2006, 04:17:35 pm
MC 60 UO 57.  Coach Paul Allen Duke gets his 200th win at MC.  Both teams shot terrible in the first half.  MC led by as much as 13 in the second half but UO fought back and if one or two shots had fallen the game could have gone the other way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 28, 2006, 11:57:24 pm
Just got back from Kerrville. Schreiner much improved team, I am impressed with their turnaround. They were very relaxed having fun. We need to unclench all four of our "cheeks" and just relax. We are in the tournament and shouldn't worry about the perfect season. If it happens, it happens, if it doesn't ... it's okay. 18-0 very sweet, we need to just enjoy this season and play LIB basketball. We have beaten everybody once and proven we are a force to be reckoned with. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 29, 2006, 04:57:04 pm
There is no question that McMurray is "a force to be reckoned with!"  This year proves again what so many of us already know about ASC basketball; namely that each and every year offers an exciting season.  HSU's dominance is over.  HPU stays up at the top of the heap.  McMurray is as strong as any team has been in recent memory.

What I miss is the presence of CUA and UMHM knocking at the door for contention as conference champs.  They, too, will be back and others will as well. 

Sorry that this focuses exclusively on the west but when the east teams are doing what the western division teams do every year then they, too, will be added to the mix.  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 29, 2006, 09:13:23 pm
F.Y.I, the correct spelling of the university on the south side of Abilene is "McMurry", not "McMurray"...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2006, 09:36:04 pm
Oh well, McM fan, it must be a "Hardened Sinners" thing!  ;D ;) 8)

And no comments from you "Horrid Pain" fans either!  ::) :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 29, 2006, 09:42:23 pm
hey after something like that we have to comment "McMuffin" University :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2006, 09:58:35 pm
hey after something like that we have to comment "McMuffin" University :)

 :D :D :D :D :D  Happy Meals for Breakfast!!!!!  :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 30, 2006, 11:33:24 am
Paint,  your memory is short.  2002-2003 HSU went 27-1 and only lost to Trinity who won the national championship.
Now don't get me wrong  MCMURRY  is doing more than just respectable,  there season so far has been very impressive.
I have noticed though that they are playing games a little closer than they did at the beginning of the season..  Tuesday's game will be a test.  Of course it will mean more to HSU.  If HSU won it will still come to going to MC for the playoffs.  I have changed my mind on the results of the playoffs.  McMurry could still go to the tournament if they didn't win.  And I think HSU or MC could go if they were second.  The reason for the change is their being in the polls for a long period of time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on January 30, 2006, 12:24:18 pm
i have a question...i don't know if it will be answered or not, but i will try...over the past several years(i have only been into for D3 3 years)besides HSU, MCM and MC what other schools have ever been ranked in the polls...don't go all the way back to the 1950's..i just want to know the years that would give a school a "tradition"
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 12:35:00 pm
Paint,  your memory is short.  2002-2003 HSU went 27-1 and only lost to Trinity who won the national championship.
Now don't get me wrong  MCMURRY  is doing more than just respectable,  there season so far has been very impressive.
I have noticed though that they are playing games a little closer than they did at the beginning of the season..  Tuesday's game will be a test.  Of course it will mean more to HSU.  If HSU won it will still come to going to MC for the playoffs.  I have changed my mind on the results of the playoffs.  McMurry could still go to the tournament if they didn't win.  And I think HSU or MC could go if they were second.  The reason for the change is their being in the polls for a long period of time.

calhsu, technical point...the polls have absolutely nothing to do with the playoff selections.

The NCAA Handbook has the primary and secondary coriteria listed on page 15-17.

http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_w_basketball_handbook.pdf

Selection Monday is February 27th.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 30, 2006, 12:47:40 pm
Paint,  your memory is short.  2002-2003 HSU went 27-1 and only lost to Trinity who won the national championship.

I am assuming your reference to a short memory is in the context of my words, "HSU's dominance is over."  Going back to 2002-2003 to point to my beloved Cowgirls' domination confirms my point.  I was in the stands when they dominated.  I witnessed the "almost perfect season" first hand.  It is over.  The Jackets took them to school last season and the Lady Indians are doing the same with everyone this year.  The conference tournament could go to anyone but HSU's domination is over. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on January 30, 2006, 02:00:08 pm

Sorry that this focuses exclusively on the west but when the east teams are doing what the western division teams do every year then they, too, will be added to the mix. ;)

i don't know who if anyone else has been ranked in the polls or not (since i got no response to my question) if there are add them to the list.  paint you act like every team in the west is superior but in reality there are only 3 teams in "the mix" and two of those teams MC and McM just got there. so i really don't know why you are throwing digs to the East but remember not only does the west have some very good teams they also last year had the team with the longest losing streak in history of any division. Schriner has come a long way and we are really proud of them (they only lost to McM by 6 last weekend) my point is not to dis on Schriner but to show how much things can change in a year
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 30, 2006, 03:08:07 pm
Note:

If you tune in to the HSU-McM game on Tuesday, you'll miss it.

HSU's homepage shows it tonight...Monday, Jan. 30th.

Just a FYI...

Go Cowgirls!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 30, 2006, 05:02:53 pm
Quote
paint you act like every team in the west is superior

Nope, I have never acted like every team in the west is superior to the eastern side of the ASC.  McM, HSU and HPU are superior to every team in the east and I have implied that I believe in the last couple of years that UMHB and UCA were also superior. 

Just wanted to get everything on the table.  I hate it when folks puts words in my mouth that just are not true.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 30, 2006, 05:57:35 pm
At stake at the McM-HSU game isn't whether or not McMurry is  a force to be reckoned with or not.  At stake is winning the Western Division conference title.  McM was a force last year, got into the conference tournament, and beat 1st seed HSU.  But it won neither the division (that was HSU) nor the conference (that was HPU).  If McM wins tonight, it almost clinches the division unless the whole team falls apart for the rest of the season.  Of course, HSU has to beat McM tonight if it wants any chance for that title, and as has been pointed out by other posters, HSU has been winning lately by higher margins against the same teams than McM -- a reversal of the point spread before the first McM-HSU meeting this season.  This is clearly a major game for both teams.  Go Indians!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on January 30, 2006, 06:07:43 pm
Well it seems to me that until someone from the ASC wins the National Championship it is a mute point as to which side is superior to the other.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:11:20 pm
Very tough defensive game.

HSU 20-14 at the half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:27:44 pm
Halftime Stats:

Richardson FG's 3 made ; FT 4-9; Burton  2 Fg's for  4pts.

FG 5-35!  3FG 0-7;  FT 4-9;  Rebs 9 off + 17 def = 26 total. 3 steas 2 assists, 7 turnovers.

Richardson has 7 rebs.


HSU fouls  among the posts

Hawk 2 fouls, Sonya West 2; Henley 3; Green 2 fouls.

Dennard 7 pts and 7 rebs. Sonya West 4 points and 6 rebs, Henley 3 pts and 6 rebs, Hawk 3 pts and 6 rebs, Singletary 3 pts.

FG 7-25; 3FG 2-8; FT 6-12; TO 11 Steals 3.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:34:27 pm
Media Timeout -- HSU 28, McM 23  14:46.  HSU ball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:42:15 pm
HSU 38 McM 30 10:00 in the game.

McM--McEwen 3FG
HSU--Dennard 3FG  HSU 41-33.
McM-- OOB HSU ball 9:48  HSU 41-33.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:47:30 pm
HSU--reb Engelke
McM--9:24  Richardson left-hander.
HSU--West is fouled by Engelke, her 2nd foul.  FT  1-2.  42-35.
McM--Venekamp--bounces over the backboard.
HSU--Henley FG  HSU 44-35.
McM--Richardson 44-37 8:00
HSU--turnover
McM--Sawyer is fouled by Dennard, her 1st.  FT  1-2. HSU  44-38. 7:48

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:50:03 pm
HSU--Tuttle reb
McM--Tuttle turnover.
HSU--Sonya West FG  46-38.
McM--7:00  Richardson misses. HSU rebs.
HSU--traveling Dennard
McM--Richardson scores and is fouled by Sonya West FT  1-1 46-41.
 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:51:26 pm
There seems to be a great and loud crowd.

HSU leads 46-41, but has taken a timeout.

McM's Richardson has 24 of the team's 41 points.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:53:20 pm
HSU--West scores and is foule dby Burton, her 3rd.  FT  1-1.  HSU 49- 41. 5:50
McM--HSU playing zone.  Richardson is fouled on the putback by Hodges.  FT 2-2.  HSU  49-43.  5:36.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:55:48 pm
HSU--Richards on block, Richardson rebs.
McM--turnover on a fast break.
HSU--Venekamp rebs.
McM--4:45 HSU by 6.  Sawyer short on the 3FG. reb to HSU
HSU--Richardson rebs.
McM--Sawyer 3FG!  HSU 49-46.  4:10
HSU--Dennard scores and is fouled by Sawyer. 3:59 left HSU at the line.  HSU 51-46.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:56:35 pm
Much intensity...playoff atmosphere...lots of crowd noise..
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 07:58:52 pm
HSU--Not Dennard but Sonya West Ft 1-1. HSU 52-46.
McM--Venekamp FG; HSU 52-48 3:30
HSU--Singletary 3FG  HSU 55-48.
McM--HSU steals. 2:50.
HSU--West is fouled. 2:40 Engelke fouls. Time out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 08:01:36 pm
HSU 55-48.
HSU--West at the line.  FT 2-2. HSU  57-48.
McM--HSU rebs.
HSU--2:15. Singletary FG HSU 59-48.
McM time 1:52.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 08:04:00 pm
I think that Rachael Singletary has 11 points in the second half.  She did not play in the frist game.

HSU-West
McM--rebs
McM--Sawyer 3FG. Time. 59-51. 1:15 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 08:07:09 pm
HSU--traveling 0:53.
McM--Sawyer misses 3FG. OOB
HSU--Tuttle reach in foul.  9th in the half. Hawk FT 2-2. HSU 61-51.
McM--Engelke 3FG HSU 61-54.  0:31.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 08:09:59 pm
HSU--0:23 Henley at the line FT  1-2. HSU 62-54.
McM--Cowgirls reb.
HSU--0:11, Singletary at the line. F1-2. HSU 63-54. Turnover.

Final HSU 63 -54.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 30, 2006, 08:16:48 pm
well McMurry just found out like HPU did against them and HSU, you can't win shooting in the 20's.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on January 30, 2006, 08:17:25 pm
HSU wins!  How sweet it is!

McM-
Tarra Richardson-26 pts

HSU-
Sonya West-21 pts

Hard fought, game...especially the first half!

63-54 HSU!  Great win, Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 08:18:54 pm
HSU--Sonya West 21 pts 10 rebs; Dennard 13 pts 13 rebs; Henley 10 pts, Singletary 12 pts.

FG 19-51 37%; 3FG 6-16; FT 19-28 Rebs 51

McM--Richardson 26 pts 12 rebs; Sawyer 10pts; Engelke 9 pts; Burton 4 pts.
FG 20-68; FT 5-20; FT 9-16; TO 13. Rebs 45.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 30, 2006, 08:20:03 pm
Any rubber match will be on a neutral floor!  :-\


Wait a minute!!! I really want to win the 4th game this season!!!! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on January 31, 2006, 01:15:18 am
The first half of the ball game, we couldn't buy a bucket. Oh well, we still managed to keep the game close. It is not the end of the world by a long shot. We will regroup and find our fire.  I think some of the pressure is off of us now, we can finish the west out strong and then be ready for the conference tournament. Tonite the shots fell for HSU, and there were some ugly shots falling. Seemed like we were down 6 pts. the whole game. I must say the McM ladies never panicked and kept fighting, the atmosphere was great, they just jumped on us early. The sun comes up tomorrow and we will meet again..................................
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 31, 2006, 09:20:43 am
The sun comes up tomorrow and we will meet again..................................

That is the attitude of a champion, for sure!  Gosh, I would have liked to have been at that game! 

This HSU team has surprised me greatly.  Spanking HPU in Browntown and now upsetting McMurry really shocks me.  I was not a believer in this team in the early part of the season but they are making believers out of us all!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2006, 09:42:19 am
The sun comes up tomorrow and we will meet again..................................

That is the attitude of a champion, for sure!  Gosh, I would have liked to have been at that game! 

This HSU team has surprised me greatly.  Spanking HPU in Browntown and now upsetting McMurry really shocks me.  I was not a believer in this team in the early part of the season but they are making believers out of us all!

We play great basketball down here.  We just need a break-out season for the ASC.  What I would like to see is the Lady Chocs going east and the ASC-West bid winners going west and then seeing how far they could go.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on January 31, 2006, 10:12:42 am
Sounds like a great game last night, it's too bad that these two teams will most likely have to meet very early in the NCAA tournament, if they both make it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 31, 2006, 11:06:57 am
If 2006 is any sort of repeat of 2005, they'll meet in the conference tournament for the final showdown!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on January 31, 2006, 11:09:34 am
In the paint, help me out here. HSU didn't spank HPU in Bwood, they were down the whole game and won in the last minute or so. McM handled them in Bwood. HSU seems to be coming on strong but I still feel like McM has stronger players on most given days. I think some of the best play will come in the next 3 weeks.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 31, 2006, 11:32:24 am
TO ALL HSU FANS THIS IS A WARNING:
Resist the urge to do what HPU fans did during the years that HSU was the top team.  DON'T gloat.  HSU girls don't dream about beating MCM teams they still dream of championships.
Here are the only things last nights win means.
1.  MCM will not go undefeated this year.
2.  MCM will go down in the polls and HSU will go up.
3.  The only important thing that happened last night was that it shows that HSU is better as a team than it was eariler.

As I have been saying for the last three weeks it still comes to down to the playoffs.   As far as the ASC goes, this year has shown that there are three levels.  Most of the ASC is bad.  Both west and east is filled with very poor programs.  I have not noticed anything this year to change what I said about those teams before the season began.  Level two is made up of one team.   That would be HPU.  They are clearly better than the first group I just mentioned.  But they are not ready to beat the teams in level one.  Keep dreaming if you are one of their fans.  Last year was last year, and this team will not go any farther than making an apperance at MC at the playoffs. 
Of course that leaves the top level.  MC, MCM,  and as of last night HSU.  I still think two could make the big dance. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 31, 2006, 11:44:39 am
One other thing.

Ralph I did not say that two teams would make the tournament based on the the polls for as you said they don't mean anything in the selection process.
What I meant was that polls do only one thing.  They let the rest of the country know you exist.  In the past the only team they knew was HSU.  Since they were winning the championships that was fine.  But the only other time two teams from the ASC went to the big dance was when HSU had McMurry join them and that I believe was because MCM had been in the polls all year with HSU.  Now you can't deny that. 
A couple of years ago MC had a great team.  I think its only losses were to HSU.  But they never made the polls.  no invitation was in the mail.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 31, 2006, 01:01:46 pm
inthepaint, I don't really call HSU beating HPU a spanking by any means. HSU was down at the half and only won by 3 points. Survived might be a better word considering how everybody hates playing in Brownwood. Hopefully HPU will play to their potential when the rematch happens in Abilene.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on January 31, 2006, 01:02:19 pm
HSU was in the polls all of last year and they didn't make the post season....can't deny that either.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 31, 2006, 01:14:22 pm
In the paint, help me out here. HSU didn't spank HPU in Bwood, they were down the whole game and won in the last minute or so. McM handled them in Bwood. HSU seems to be coming on strong but I still feel like McM has stronger players on most given days. I think some of the best play will come in the next 3 weeks.

I completely agree!  "Spank" may not have been the best word to use as we may have different understandings.  I did not say "whipped," but "spanked."  They spanked HPU by upsetting them on their own floor, something that is always a very difficult thing to do.  The Mausoleum is a tough, tough place to play. 

I am also of the opinion, along with you, that McM has the best team in the ASC, west or east.  HSU surprised me with their win in Browntown, something I never would have expected.   The McM victory was also something I never would have expected.  I am pleasantly surprised, mind you, as I love those Cowgirls, but I agree with you that McM has the stronger team. 

These three weeks will be exciting!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on January 31, 2006, 01:18:57 pm
inthepaint, I don't really call HSU beating HPU a spanking by any means. HSU was down at the half and only won by 3 points. Survived might be a better word considering how everybody hates playing in Brownwood. Hopefully HPU will play to their potential when the rematch happens in Abilene.

I hope I have cleared up any misconceptions I created with the word, "spanked."  I understand it was a narrow victory.  I was surprised by it, not expecting HSU to steal one from HPU in the Mausoleum.  Survived may be the better word.

As you are expressing your hopes, you would do well while hoping HPU plays to their potential that HSU plays beneath their own.  If both teams play to their full potential it will be a game right up to the final buzzer.

This season is exciting, isn't it?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 31, 2006, 03:10:42 pm
HSU was in the polls all of last year and they didn't make the post season....can't deny that either.

Fortunately, as our good friend Ralph Turner has pointed out, there are a lot more Pool C buds available this year.  A team that is ranked all season and has a solid QoWI should have an excellent shot at this playoffs, unlike previous seasons where there were less than a handful of bids available. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on January 31, 2006, 03:18:29 pm
I do hope HPU plays to their potential, I don't call shooting 16% from the field in a half good potential. Your right though this season is very exciting, never expected to see HSU beat MCM. I hope HPU plays both HSU and MCM in Abilene with full potential and that both opponents play to their full potential. That way creditibilty can be built for the teams. They could go down to the wire in both games, but we shall see. I expect a crazy whirlwind of games ending at the conference tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 31, 2006, 03:56:18 pm
HSU was in the polls all of last year and they didn't make the post season....can't deny that either.

Fortunately, as our good friend Ralph Turner has pointed out, there are a lot more Pool C buds available this year.  A team that is ranked all season and has a solid QoWI should have an excellent shot at this playoffs, unlike previous seasons where there were less than a handful of bids available. 


Please check out my compilation on the Best of the South.

I think that we get 2-3 Pool C bids in the South Region.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on January 31, 2006, 04:47:26 pm
Here is the deal about last year and HSU not going to the tournament.  They lost in the first round......  If they had lost in the finals who knows what would have happened. 
This year HPU has to win the playoffs in order to go on.  And regardless of all the TALK of how good they are and how they SHOULD have beat the Cowgirls they have failed to win one game that shows that they are in the same league as the big three.   Right now I would say that next time HPU comes to Abilene they will lose by more than ten. 
I am a little surprised that no one is giving  HSU any credit for a good game last night.  Saying that you were not expecting them to win is not the same as saying they played a good game.   Actually if some of you want to continue to disrespect the Cowgirls, the underdog role is going better than when people were afraid of them.
All I notice is that MCM beat HSU by 8 and the Cowgirls won by nine.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on January 31, 2006, 05:20:57 pm
What I find surprising is that it seems to be the HSU fans who are amazed that HSU won last night, and the McM fans who are giving HSU credit for the victory.  I mentioned in an earlier post that in the last few games leading to Monday night, when McM and HSU were playing the same teams, HSU was winning by a bigger margin.  Before the original McM-HSU game, McM had the advantage in point spreads.  So, last night was predictable, not some fluke.  HSU has stepped it up in the last week or two, and McM has not, and the level of "step-up" was visible in the point spreads even before last night's game.  The question now is whether McM can match that "step-up," which we will have to do if we want to hold on to our one-game lead in the division. If we don't match it, HSU will continue their run and will win the division.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 01, 2006, 11:28:11 am

McM is in good shape to win the regular season championship.  They have showned that they can be beat but there is no one left on the schedule that is capable of doing that.  Yes I know that HPU still has a game with them but it is in Abilene and they are going to do what they couldn't do at home. 

I know that I sound pretty sure considering I don't see the games, but numbers don't lie.  The closest I will be to Abilene will be in October when I plan to go to homecoming(my 30th class reunion) and see my first HSU  home football game.   Even still I bet I know more about what HSU does in sports than most of the students.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on February 01, 2006, 02:25:47 pm
I was at the HSU game on Monday.  McM is the better team, but when you shoot 14% from the floor in a half and 29% overrall, you couldn't beat a junior high team.  With all that said, McM was only down by 6 at half, take that as you will. Hardin Simmons played their best against McM's mid season slump. The score at the end of the game says nothing, but who won or lost. HSU knew the only reason they won was because McM couldn't get the ball to drop. That's why they aren't saying anything or gloating. Lady Indian's are just as focused and are glad to have whatever monkey was on their back. Now all they have to do is win the WEST and get to the tournament where they will be peaking and reaching their highest level of play. The torched has passed and L.I.B. will get the last laugh!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on February 01, 2006, 02:27:16 pm
Correction. the monkey is off their back!   :P
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 01, 2006, 04:04:56 pm
Excue me you now know what the HSU girls think?  I wasn't there and I know just as much as you do,  nothing. 

Who is a better team is decided on the court,  that is why they play the game.  On that night guess what,  HSU won,  that means they were the better team that night.

Again numbers don't lie.

Get over it.  Chances are they will get another chance to prove something different.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on February 01, 2006, 04:31:33 pm
calhsu you are a typical HSU fan. Either team has to get by MC in their house. There are 6 games between now and then. One game at a time my friend.  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 01, 2006, 09:41:39 pm
I personally don't know why everyone is so surprised that HSU won on Monday night.  No reason to "gloat."

The surprise was when McM won at home against HSU earlier in the season. ;D

Think about it!

 ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 02, 2006, 12:30:16 am
Dear mattalk /// nothing in my posts have said anything bad about MC. And I am painfully aware of where the the playoffs are.  And if HSU goes to Clinton as the #2 they would play #1 MC first.   

In past years when HSU was the clear dominant team when they would lose the other teams would dance on the grave of a single loss.  No HSU has really gloated,  just asking for a little respect from people who infer that Monday was just a fluke.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 02, 2006, 10:17:57 am
McM could lose any number of its remaining games if it can't get out of the slump it's currently in.  To cite the numbers, again, it won every game in the first part of the season by a 2-digit margin except for HSU (by eight points) and MC (by two points).  In the last two weeks, it has struggled against "easy" teams; it won against UMHB by 8 and against Schreiner by just 6.  The Lady Indians can't afford to become complacent at this point, because none of their opponents will be.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on February 02, 2006, 10:57:57 am
Actually CalHSU, if HSU goes to the conf. tourney as the West's #2 seed it wouldn't play MC first.  The West's #4 seed would.  HSU would play the East's #3 seed in the first round.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 02, 2006, 11:01:18 am
Lets get this straight, if MCM loses to anyone other than HPU during the regular season, they are not in a slump they are having major team issues.  I am not saying that is true,  because I don't think them losing to HSU is such a great surprise.

Losing to a team other than the top four  would be a really terrible sign.  The other day I took a look at the regions records in the south.  At the bottom of the barrell are several ASC teams.   Face it, the rest of the teams in the ASC are really bad.  

I do know this kind of thinking lead to HSU's football team losing to TLU,  as painful as it is to remember that.
But everyone knows girls are smarter than guys.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 02, 2006, 11:04:07 am
Thanks for that information.   But it still seems that eventually the #2 from the west would play the #1 east before they would play the #1 from the west.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 02, 2006, 02:39:26 pm
McMurry Ladies will refocus on basketball basics for tonite's contest aganist TLU and Saturday's game with SU.  I am sure McMurry's fine coaching staff will have the team getting the ball into the post, reacting to the double and triple team that will come, and hitting the open shot.  Lets play ball and all will be well.

In the ASC-East, MC looks quite strong.  Three teams in the ASC-West (HSU, HPU, McM) appear capable of being in the tournament.  Dr. Ralph Turner pointed out some time ago that the games HPU has againist McM on 2/9 and HSU on 2/11 are large indeed.  What would the impact be of a loss or two on who gets in?

I will leave the multiple breakdown of what might/could happen during these last two weeks or so of the regular season to someone more versed than me.  Who could get in and who stays at home.  Thoughts please.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 02:49:09 pm
bcal, I am waiting for the Regional Rankings to be released on Feb 8th to look at the prospects for hosting a Sectional, which MC and McM have a good chance to do, and for getting one of the 21 Pool C bids.

The Ladies' brackets have the South Region playing the West Region this year.  The top 3 teams in South Region look to be Randolph-Macon, McMurry and MissColl.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 07:40:20 pm
McM 55 TLU 33, 14:27 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 07:54:41 pm
McM  66, TLU 42,   9:14 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 08:11:21 pm
Nice mention by Pat Coleman in the Ponderings section of Around the Nation this week.

He makes the case that McM-HSU is the finest Women's rivalry in the country.

I really hope that we do get to play HSU 4 times this year!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 02, 2006, 08:17:08 pm
Final:


HSU  96
SU    58

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 08:18:00 pm
McM 84 TLU 60.  Final.  McM is 16-1 Conference /17-1 South Region / 19-1 overall.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 02, 2006, 09:01:57 pm
Pat Coleman . . .  makes the case that McM-HSU is the finest Women's rivalry in the country.

I've always thought the more intense rivalry was between HPU and HSU but I have not been following the teams as long as some.  There just seems to be such bitterness between HPU and HSU, especially among the fans.  I don't see the emotion in comments by McM fans that I do from the HPU faithful. 

Either way, HPU, HSU and McM are all giving us plenty to get excited over these days!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 02, 2006, 09:03:55 pm
Oh, and was Ralph Turner referred to as "Dr." because of his obvious knowledge of the game or because he really is a doctor, either medical or of the PhD variety?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 09:09:34 pm
You know how it is among those Baptist...if you have 20 Baptists, you have one congregation.  By the time you have 30 Baptists, you have 2 congregations. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 02, 2006, 09:22:57 pm
Ralph is that hate speech?


Just joking. 

In 2000 the big rival series was of course HSU vs. MCM.  Since then the HPU team has been a force until finally winning last year. 
 It has not been that hot between HSU and Mcm until last year. 
And as not forget MC they have normally been the force of the east but have not until this year shown that they can beat the good teams in the west.
Having the playoffs in Clinton  will give them their first chance of not being a runner up.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 02, 2006, 09:49:15 pm
Ralph, reference to Post #684...you don't know how true that is...or, maybe you do!  I like that description about Baptists...and I'll be using it.   :D

Maybe that is why there is always more then one Baptist church in a city, regardless of the size!

I also agree that the HPU/HSU rivalry is just as intense as the McM/HSU rivalry.  I heard recently that they keep a section of seats EMPTY between the fans at the games to keep them apart!   :(

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 10:06:23 pm
Ralph is that hate speech?


It is only hate speech when the respective congregants are talking about each other! ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 02, 2006, 11:17:18 pm
AC beat MC 59-56 in overtime. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SLP on February 02, 2006, 11:26:29 pm
Way to go AC!!!  Great game-could be an important win,
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 02, 2006, 11:29:03 pm
golfnut if you are reading...congratulations to your girls...i know this was a great win...for those of you who think that there are no teams in the ASC except the 3 ranked ones, watch out because those other teams you talk about just might kick you in the rear.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SLP on February 02, 2006, 11:31:18 pm
Excellent post, Millie!  On any given night.......
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 02, 2006, 11:33:32 pm
That AC win just knocked the LadyChocs down a notch in the South Region Rankings.  That may help in seedings for the brackets should MC get the Pool C bid.

Both HSU and MC now have 16-2 South Region records.

As I look at recent boxscores, it appears that Lacey Kennedy is not playing.  I assume she is still injured.  MC has clinched a playoff berth and their magic number for the ASC-East is 4 over UT-Tyler (which is ineligible for the playoffs) and 5 with ETBU pending tonight's game with UT-Tyler.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: SLP on February 02, 2006, 11:45:11 pm
Lacey Kennedy played tonight against AC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2006, 01:02:41 am
UT-Dallas 78 LeTU 64.

http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/WBB/WBBMAIN.htm

UT-Tyler 90, ETBU 86.

http://www.uttyler.edu/athletics/basketball/wschedule0506.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 03, 2006, 11:15:59 am
AC beat MC 59-56 in overtime. 

Did everyone else catch the poignancy of that AC win over Miss Coll?

The game in Clinton was to be the next game for the late AC basketball player, Brittany Simpson.  :)

Congratulations to the Lady Roos!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 03, 2006, 06:15:48 pm
DITTO...to what Ralph is saying!

Congrats to AC!!!

That win is SPECIAL!!!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 01:56:21 pm
The McMurry broadcast crew reports that the Schreiner Head Coach enforced some disciplinary issues by withholding playing time during the HSU game.

http://athletics.schreiner.edu/WBasketball/020206w.htm

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/stats-womenbasketball/su.htm

The Lady Mountaineers are back to full strength for the McMurry game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 02:14:30 pm
Media timeout, McM 12 Schreiner 10; 13:45 left.

SU FG 5-8 with Tasha Fennell FG 3-3.
McM hitting 43%.

McM 14-10 on a FG by Amber Horton.

McM has subbed Horton and Horton picked up 2 quick fouls.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 02:27:28 pm
McM--Jennifer Paetzold 3FG McM 22-10.  Good points for McM from their bench. 
McM--Venekamp Fg McM 24-10.
SU--Burton reb.
McM--Tuttle fouled.
McM--Richardson FT   2-2; McM 26-10.  7:49 left.  12-0 run
SU--Paetzold steals and passes to Venekamp 3FG.  McM 29-10.
SU--Timeout.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 02:33:05 pm
That last run was spurred by "Bench" players Jennifer Paetzold and DeeDee Burton.  I like that McM depth!

It is like the McMurry Coaches roll out the starters and then wait to see the flow of the game and plug in "bench" players who can come in and take advantages of mismatches!

That means that every player has the chance to excel in the system.

SU--Paetzold reb.
McM--Paetzold 3FG, her 2nd 3FG.
SU--Fennell FG. 
McM--Paetzold 3FG  39-13.  4:45.

What a run by Jennifer Paetzold!  And it has come in a 25-3 run!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 02:43:14 pm
McM--Amanda McEwen and Allison Nelson for Paetzold and Richardson.

SU--Nelson rebound
McM--Sawyer Fg 45-15.
SU--Nelson fouls Lopez FT 1-2.  45-16 2:20
McM--Tuttle gets a steal and a layup. 47-16
SU--McEwen strips and SU blocks
SU--McM's Nelson gets her 3rd foul...

McM--Nelson Fg McM 49-20.
SU--OOB
McM--0:22 traveling
Half--McM 49-20.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 03:05:07 pm
McM 62 SU 25 -- 17:00 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 03:09:48 pm
Media Timeout  McM 70 - SU 25  14:55 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 03:30:34 pm
MCM 79, SU 40, Schreiner has had 23 FT attempts in the 2nd half, and only had 6 in the first half.  9:01 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 04, 2006, 03:33:01 pm
Final:

HSU 71

TLU 57

Saturday...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 03:42:04 pm
McM   86   SU  45,  4:34
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 03:53:13 pm
McM 103, SU 54.  The good thing about this game is that the younger players held and pulled away from SU in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 04:00:59 pm
SU's Monica Enriquez sat out the first half with 3 quick fouls in 4 minutes.  She finishes with 15. Fennell also finished in double figures.

McM--Richardson 24, Venekamp 20, Sawyer, 11, Paetzold 10, Horton 9. All players scored.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 04, 2006, 06:07:46 pm
HPU 69 UMHB 38 FINAL!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 05, 2006, 01:29:49 am
What has happened to MC?   
The two loses this week change the playoff picture a great deal.  Right now I say that MCM and HSU are in good shape to both make the big dance if they continue to play the level theyare at now. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2006, 01:46:38 am
What has happened to MC?   
The two loses this week change the playoff picture a great deal.  Right now I say that MCM and HSU are in good shape to both make the big dance if they continue to play the level theyare at now. 

http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=48665

MC 30 fouls, UOz 17 ?  but fouling at the end?

MC has "losses to give", even if they don't want to give them!

They are 2 up in the loss column over UT-Tyler.

I have always thought that McM and HSU would probably make the playoffs.  I am a little worried about MC getting a Pool C bid now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on February 06, 2006, 03:55:31 pm
IS UT-TYLER ELIGIBLE FOR POST SEASON.  ACCORDING TO THE ASW STANDINGS, THEY ARE NOT. DOES ANYONE KNOW FOR SURE? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on February 06, 2006, 04:08:34 pm
HEY, JUST READ MY FIRST POST! I LIKE THIS!
BIG WEEK COMING UP FOR HOWARD PAYNE WITH MCURRY ON THURSDAY FOLLOWED BY THE HSU COWGIRLS ON SATURDAY.
COWGIRLS ARE ON A ROLL AND REALLY ARE COMING TOGETHER AS A TEAM ( SOME GREAT BENCH PLAY) WITH COACH DOING A GREAT JOB OF PUSHING ALL THE BUTTONS.
LOOKING FORWARD TO SOME GREAT GAMES!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2006, 05:58:15 pm
Welcome, Pirate!

One Granbury question first...how good is Andrew King and why did he choose Hendrix over everyone else? ;)

UT-Tyler is in the 3rd year of provisional status for the NCAA.  They can win the division, but are ineligible for the Tourney and post-season NCAA play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 06, 2006, 06:08:41 pm
Hey ASC fans,

Let's take our partisan caps off for a minute and look at the respect that the conference is getting.

The voters noted the hard MissColl road trip and did not drop the Lady Chocs completely out of the Top 25 for a 2-loss week, but landed at #24.  They understood the Austin College-MC game after the tragic death of AC's Brittany Simpson.

The voters recognized (in the words of one national expert) "...the best Women's rivalry in the country" and gave both schools credit.

McMurry only dropped from #9 to #11,
and HSU jumped from #17 to #13,
and only 33 votes apart!

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/06/week9.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 06, 2006, 07:23:25 pm
Ralph, you are right.  MC is lucky that they are still listed 24th.  Now they need to regroup and win out the season and the conference tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 06, 2006, 10:11:02 pm
It should be big in Abilene this weekend.  Dballa couldn't believe HPU losing to both McM and HSU in the Mausoleum, and thought it was a fluke.  I think he was right.  HPU's field goal percentages for those two games were 26% and 24.2%, not real great.  But the lowest figure in the games since then is 34.4, with percentages as high as 51.9% (against CUA).  We have to expect a much better team to play here in Abilene than played a month ago in Brownwood.  Get ready, Lady Indians!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 06, 2006, 10:15:21 pm
This weekend should definitely be very exciting.  I don't really think the loss to McMurry was a fluke, but HPU sure didn't help their case by shooting so poorly at home.  The game against HSU should have been won by HPU.  If they would have just shot even close to 30% they would have won that game.  They have been playing great defense lately and if their defense plays as well this weekend as they did against UMHB and CUA, it could be a very fun and exciting weekend for HPU.

I'll be there for both rooting on my ladies :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 07, 2006, 06:27:07 pm
It is so nice that everyone is getting to saying nice things about each other.  To bad HPU will lose both games.  The Indians are fired up and will win.  Upset by that loss the Jackets will play even worse on Saturday.  Besides HSU is back.  Other than last years playoffs when has HPU ever played well in Abilene.   It will not be this year.

HPU should really cherish last year.  They won, they earned it.   Just like all the many years HSU  has to look back on.   But this year it is a battle of two teams.  I will let you guess who they are.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on February 08, 2006, 10:16:41 am
Calhsu,
Easy there. you are being a little harsh.  While I am a die hard HSU fan, you have to look at the talent on all 3 teams and it is pretty much a push.  I will give the Cowgirls the edge on the bench.  The biggest factor will be which is team is hot and I believe the Cowgirls still have better games in them and are starting to heat up.  After beating McMurry last time, they know they can beat anybody around and this dose of confidence will go a long, long way.  For conference standings I would love to see HPU beat McMurry and but it is hard to do in their gym and the same goes for HSU.  The Cowgirls learned last year that the only sure NCAA bid comes from the Conference tourney and that is their one and only goal!  The tourney will be an awesome event for girls basketball,
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 08, 2006, 11:29:47 am
I don't have one bad thing to say about  the ladies of HPU.  I'm sure they are great persons.  They were coming off great season,  one they could of build a more soild image.  In the past they would talk all year and occasionaly beat HSU at home,  but never a big playoff victory.They are having a better than average season but have not shown that they can beat the better teams. I give credit where it is due.  I certainly give MCM credit for still being able to beat HSU.  If last week was some emotional thing and they get over it maybe MC still may have what it takes.  When they win in Abilene you can tell me how wrong I was.  And I will say they made a big jump in their game.  ------I don't expect I will have to make such a statement.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on February 08, 2006, 12:31:51 pm
Well  said!

Go Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 08, 2006, 03:52:49 pm
when do the regional standings come out
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2006, 05:03:14 pm
South
1. McMurry 18-1 20-1
2. Oglethorpe 16-2 18-3
3. Randolph-Macon 17-1 19-2
4. Hardin-Simmons 17-2 18-2
5. Mississippi College 16-3 16-3
6. Bridgewater (Va.) 17-4 17-4

The good thing about this is that Oglethrope still must get past Depauw (#1 in the Great Lakes Region) in the SCAC tourney.

Oglethorpe hosts Trinity this weekend.

Randolph-Macon and Bridgewater VA play in the ODAC Post-season the weekend of the ASC tourney.

The Women and Men do things slighlty differently.  Always check the handbook if you have a question. :)

2006 Women's Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_w_basketball_handbook.pdf)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 08, 2006, 10:19:34 pm
Okay, I have been relatively quiet this week, but no longer... come on pirate how can you say HSU has the stronger bench? You look at the stats from the games, and McM ladies bench get more playing time and have better stats than the HSU bench. Our bench is deeper and stronger. Our starters have played less and have been more productive, and our bench has played in more games and been productive in those minutes. And honestly as a McM fan, I hope when HPU comes to town, we win at our house and HPU wins at HSU. No game comes easy at this time of the year and upsets are always looming, but I think we will win out and win the west. Our ladies proved last week that the fire is back and we're ready.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 09, 2006, 10:30:33 am
An article in today's Abilene Reporter-News has it right: while this week's games in Abilene are with HPU, the real issue is McM-HSU!  The article is online at

http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_basketball/article/0,1874,ABIL_7991_4452012,00.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 09, 2006, 11:11:49 am
As a HSU fan I am glad HPU is as good as they are.  At this point in the season it is important  to have good competion.  A concern I have about the Cowgirls is a lack of competion in their schedule.  Really, in a 27 game schedule you have to say they have five tough games. (2 MCM, 2 HPU, 1 MC) 
They had no games outside the ASC.   
The football team has come to understand the value of playing outside of Texas.  I have noticed that since Briggs has been coach HSU has stopped playing  tough teams in preseason.  I don't know if that is what see prefers or what she has money to do.  But judging by how so many other sports go so many other places I would think it is Briggs choice.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on February 09, 2006, 12:15:42 pm
fanstand-
HSU bench 12 pts - McMurry bench 7 pts

Just what did McMurry prove last week?--- they can beat Texas Lutheran and Schreiner who have combined records of 8 wins and 34 losses. Wow!











Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on February 09, 2006, 01:51:52 pm
pirateonthebrazos, just to get the facts straight and numbers, McM bench has outscored every team's bench except HSU on the night they lost. McM 7 points to HSU 12 points. McM's bench had 44 points against SU who when they played had ALL THEIR STARTERS playing their usual minutes unlike when they played HSU and McM's bench had 31 points against TLU. McM's bench is playing well. HSU has a strong bench player with Singletary, but she is the only one receiving quality minutes from the bench. Her game has just stepped up after bringing HSU from behind at HPU earlier this season. Today's game is going to be intense along with the rest of the regular season games left to play. The 4th place spot is up for grabs and everyone will be playing their best ball. I am ready for the tournament to see what matchups will take place. The ASC is on the rise and the best of luck to all the teams in their remaining games!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 02:09:21 pm
... Really, in a 27 game schedule you have to say they have five tough games. (2 MCM, 2 HPU, 1 MC) 


In all fairness to the new Head Coach at UMHB, I believe that that program will bounce back as the players get with Coach Kirkpatrick's program.  The Lady Cru are 6-5 in the last 11 games.

We would have had a very hard ASC West in that case.  CUA misses All-American Ashley Edwards, another challenge for a team.

We just need the East to get stronger.  AC has been a perennial contender in the East. So we need to replace them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 09, 2006, 02:16:07 pm
Coaches Nichols and Densmen know the importance of both of these games this weekend.  HPU will be coming with the intent of taking boths contest, at McM and HSU.  Good luck to all.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 09, 2006, 02:49:06 pm
matlk,  i may be wrong but when McM played MC (and MC lost) MC's bench scored 31 and McM scored 23. this is what i got off of MC's stats...not that it matters but lets keep the facts straight
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 06:48:14 pm
13:25 McM 11-5.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 07:04:54 pm
9:24 Media Timeout   McM leads by 7.  McM 14-7  Scoring drought.
McM--HPU ties.
HPU--Daniels on the put-back. McM 14-9.
McM--Richardson FT  1-2.
HPU--Daniles FG.
McM--Sawyer 3FG.  McM 18-11
HPU--7:30.  Whittier 3FG on a pass back from Daniels. McM 18-14
McM--Daniels rebs
HPU--McM rebs
McM--HPU rebs.
HPU--Richardson blocks a shot.
HPU--6:22,  Pippins FG. McM 18-16.
McM--Paetzold rebs, Engelke FG.  McM 20-16.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 07:06:23 pm
HPU--Richardson rebs.
McM--HPU Rebs.
HPU--Richardson blocks Daniels' shot. 
Media timeout.   McM 20-16.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 07:14:23 pm
HPU--4:30; Paetzold knocks it away; Daniels inbounds, Daniels FG.  her 9th pt.
McM--Richardson misses.  Paetzold fouls.
HPU--Paetzold fouls Hohertz 3:42 left.  Hohertz FT  2-2. Tied at 20.
McM--miss.
HPU--2:52; Horton fouls Daniel. 1&1. Miss.
McM--Engelke rebs. knocked down. Officials are allowing a very tough style of play from HPU.
HPU--Daniels is fouled by Tuttle. FT 1-2.  HPU 21-20.
McM--Richardson FG McM 22-21.
HPU--Hohertz 3FG HPU 24-22.
McM--Burton FG. tied at 24.
HPU--Daniels drives HPU 26-24.
McM--Daniels steals.
HPU--Pippins on the putback. FG. HPU 28-24.
McM--Richardson FG.

HPU 28 McM 26; at the half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 07:19:46 pm
HPU outrebounding McM 26-15.

HPU was 6-8 from the foul line; McM 2-4 on Ft's.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 07:39:47 pm
McM--Blalock fouls Richardson.
McM--Richardson FT 0-2.
...


HPU--Venekamp rebs
McM--Richardson runs and scores.
HPU--Sawyer steal
McM--(HPU in 2-3 zone) Richardson Fg.  McM 32-30 17:10
HPU--Engelke rebs.
McM--Richardson FG great pass by Engelke. FT 1-1. McM 35-30 all nine by Richardson.
HPU--offensive foul. 16:39
McM--Hohertz rebs.
HPU--Sawyer fouls. her 3rd.
HPU--16:13, Pippins on the putback.
McM--Pippins rebs.
HPU--15:30  Buker FG.  McM35-34.
McM--Sawyer 3FG on the inbound McM 38-34.
HPU--Buker offensive foul, her 3rd, also Hoffman and Blalock
McM--Engelke FG McM 40-34.
HPU--Richardson blocks
McM--Pippins rebs.
HPU--Daniels offensive foul, her second.

Media timeout  McM 40-34, just over 14:00 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 07:49:54 pm
HPU--Daniels  FT  2-2. McM 42-38.  (McM's Sawyer got her 4th foul.)
McM- turnover
HPU--12:30, Richardson blocks Wallenmeyer.
HPU--12:09;  Burton rebs.
McM--Horton is fouled going for the layup. Bonus for McM.  FT 2-2. 11:48; McM 44-38; Richardson is getting a rest.
HPU--FG  McM 44-40.
McM--Pippins blocks.
HPU--10:59. Hohertz 3FG. McM 44-43.
McM--Burton FG. McM 46-43.
HPU--10:30; Hohertz 3FG.. Tied at 46.
McM--Daniels rebs.
HPU--Hohertz 3FG. HPU 49-46.
McM--Blocked by Pippns.
HPU--9:00--Burton rebs.
McM--8:30--Buker steals
HPU--layup 51-46 HPU
McM--8:09. media timeout.  HPU 13-2 run while Richardson is on the bench resting, but there were three 3FGs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 07:57:36 pm
HPU--Englke blocks.  Richardson is back
McM--Horton fouls.
HPU--bad pass.
McM--oob off Buker. 7:19  HPU 51-46.
McM--HPU Richardson fouled on the putback.
McM--Richardson FT  1-2. 7:01 HPU 51-47.
HPU--6:30; Richardson blocks
McM--Daniels rebs
HPU--6:03; jump ball--HPU
HPU--Engelke rebs
McM--Pippins rebs. 5:20
HPU--Pippins rebs, 4:50 turnover
McM--Horton lay-up on a transition basket. HPU-- 51-49
HPU--Wallenmeyer FG.
McM--Richardson putback  HPU 53-51.
HPU--FG
McM--3:10 timeout.  HPU leads 55-51.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 07:59:37 pm
McM--Richardson FG  HPU  55-53
HPU--timeout  2:39
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 08:04:33 pm
HPU--shot clock violation
McM--Richardson misses, Engelke rebs. Sawyer misses. HPU rebs.
...
...
...several
...
...McM 1:20 left.  Sawyer 3Fg McM 56-55.
HPU--Daniels rebs. Jump ball McM ball. 0:45.
McM--timeout McM.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 08:07:12 pm
Several exchanges during that time.  Frenetic pace.
McM--Richardson. blocked off. OOB off Tippin.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 08:10:02 pm
HPU--Wallenmeyer scores over Richardson.  HPU 57-56. 0:03.2 secs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 09, 2006, 08:11:31 pm
Final:

HSU   76

SRSU 31

.....................................
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 08:13:12 pm
HPU has burned 2 timeouts.

McM did not get a shot off.

HPU wins 57-56.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 08:28:08 pm
McM and HSU are currently tied for first place, but HSU has the tie-breaker by having a better record against Division opponents.

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/policy-tiebreaker-allsports.pdf

HPU is one game behind in the ASC-West standings and move into a 2nd place tie.

Stats:
HPU

Hohertz 18; Daniels 18; Buker 12(?? my signal cut out?)

FG 22-64 34%; 3FG 5-20; FT 8-10; Rebs 55;

McM--

Richardson 30 pts; Sawyer 12 on 4 treys.
FG  23-63; 3FG 4-11 all by Sawyer; FT 6-11 (ouch!!!)  Rebs 31.

HPU wanted it badly.  Go Lady Jackets!


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on February 09, 2006, 08:31:56 pm
Way to go, Cowgirls!
Now, get ready for the big game Saturday!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 09, 2006, 09:02:43 pm
MC 70 LeT 49.  Congrats to HPU, one down, one to go
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 09, 2006, 10:45:09 pm
Congrats Lady Jacket! Really starting to come together, I heard a stat the HPU out rebounded MCM +24 which is suprising. Sounds like it was a great game, good luck Saturday agaisnt HSU, stay focused.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 09, 2006, 10:57:22 pm
McMurry lady Indians were beaten off the boards rather badly.  HPU, a very good team, sat back in their zone defense leaving McMurry to hid outside shots.  If those shots did not fall, the rebound went to HPU.  The lady jackets won the rebounding at both ends.  A team can't shoot in the mid 30s percentagewise and win.  The lady Indians made 6 of 11 free throws.  Given all of the above, they lost by only one.  I think it is all part of the maturity process.  McMurry is a young team, very young.  Many of the players have gained a lot of playing time that can only bear good fruit as this team goes forward. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 09, 2006, 11:02:26 pm
It is easy to say.   I was wrong.  Congrats to HPU on the win.  Good for you.   I' m sure the Cowgirls are ready for you, want you to  bring it on   Couple of reasons for the outcome.   I will say HPU played a great game.   Second I wonder if the load of being the front runner has got to MCM.  They are not use to that role.   You have to admit the Cowgirls played that role well over the years.

Now it is wide open for the four teams.
 With all due respect Ralph,  Sure some of the teams have good players,  the rest of teams though are still bad.  To be sure in the past MHB has been a force,  but not this year.  Right now they are just beating other bad teams.     I guess I don't buy your belief Ralph that Texas is this pool of great women players.  Don't get upset,  I'm not saying there are not good and great player in Texas.  I'm just saying there is not an unlimited pool.  Sul Ross would have most likely lost all its games in most conference in the country.   Texas Tech and Baylor have won a national championships but over all Texas has not proved to be year in and year out an over whelming force.  
 I am growing in my confidence in the Cowgirls.  Regardless of the fact of who has the  "greatest bench,"  the cowgirls are playing a better team game.  I think in the beginning  of the season they had to adjust to a player of the level of West.   Now she playing a role and is not the team.  
I can admit being wrong.  But I will stick to my prediction of a ten point loss for HPU.  And if I need I will admit being wrong if needed.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2006, 11:29:07 pm
calhsu, I was trying to be diplomatic about UMHB.  UMHB's Lisa Martinez was voted the ASC-West Pre-Season POTY, but she left the team before the season began.  I don't know why. It doesn't matter now.  That would be a different UMHB Lady Cru.

As for one of the finest Lady Vols in UTennessee history, you may have seen her father play at HSU. Yes, I remember Harvey Catchings at HSU.
His daughter Tamika went to Duncanville High School.

http://utladyvols.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/archive/hist_retired_jerseys.html

Everyone recruits Texas High School athletes.  Many great athletes leave the state. 

And we are forgetting Trinity, the 2003 National Champion.  Some great athletes actually came to Texas that time.

I would say that there are very few conferences in D3 women who have much depth to their quality.  I put the ASC-West up there with the best.

The ASC has had 2 Jostens nominees in the last 4 years.  Not as good as some, but a whole lot better than most.

One specific criticism that I hear is the ability of our women players to put the ball on the floor and drive the basket and not travel.  That is one skill that I hear is perfected better in Ohio and Pennsylvania players.

You have been on the left coast too long, good friend! :D :D ;D ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 10, 2006, 12:00:33 am
Yes Ralph,  Harvey Catching was at HSU two of my years. And  I watched with pride his daughter.   But being on the left coast I would know of another state that loses a fair share of its home grown talent.  The northern cal section my home team plays in had a two year state championship for girls that feature twins (daughters of Bubba Paris--football) they are now playing for Oklahoma. 

I just can't see how you can say that 2/3s  of the ASC are strong.   The ASC has very few wins in the playoffs.  Two  elite eight apperances.  All of the ASC wins in the playoffs come from two teams as you are well aware of.   When other teams step up like HPU did last year and win the conference and then win playoff games  then you can tell me that the confence is  good.   In football they have done that very thing.  Of course Texas has owned football this past year.   California was tired of the burden.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 10, 2006, 12:01:03 am
Ralph,

I am impressed.  You seem to know eveything about everybody!!! :)  Good for you!!!

HSU's win over SRSU may prove to be costly.  Point guard, Sarah Hauk went down with a knee injury!!! :-\

If she is unable to play Saturday, it is bound to have a deleterious affect on the outcome! ???

We'll see...maybe others can step up!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2006, 12:11:17 am
Ouch, that hurts about Sarah Hawk.  ACL? or do we know yet?

HPU can pull into a tie with HSU and then hope for a McMurry meltdown to get a tie or better.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 10, 2006, 12:23:24 am
You know, its a game. Everytime it is played there is a loser and a winner coming off the floor. Sometimes it's you. We beat ourselves tonite, they got the last shot and we lost by one. Our season is not defined, we aren't whipped puppies. We are 20 wins with 2 losses. On any given day, I have been preaching that all year. We go back to the gym, we keep working. We are going to the tournament. We have the #1 point guard in D3, we have 4 players who have ranked in the top 100 players for weeks. I am proud of this team, not for basketball skills, but for who they are. They are the sweetest, most humble set of ladies and they deserve the attention they have been getting. We have 3 regular season games left, we win those and its the best regular season ever. Then on to the Tourney. Thats an accomplishment in itself. I am proud to support the L.I.B. team. Yes I hope HPU has HSU's number, but I am sorry for the injury to Sarah Hawk. And there will be no meltdown Ralph...........











Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 10, 2006, 12:37:45 am
Congrats to both HPU and McM for playing a great game today.  More so for HPU :) I knew if they shot the ball like they are capable of doing it would be a close game whomever won it.  The thing i'm most disappointed about is the officiating.  If they were consistently bad then it would be one thing but they would make completely different calls for the same types of fouls or lack of fouls on both ends of the floor. 

Time to go into HSU and knock them off.  Way to go Lady Jackets!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 10, 2006, 12:46:05 am
Dballa I agree about the officiating, it just wasn't consistent. You know there are 17 teams in the top 25 who have 2 or more losses. The west does have to be proud of the rivalry between the top 3 teams, it makes for great basketball. Frustrating, but great games none the less.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 10, 2006, 12:53:33 am
You're right these rivalries are a lot of fun.  Except as I get older and the heart just isn't beating like it did a couple yrs ago :) 

I was disappointed with the crowd.  They started showing up right before the guys game started but there  just wasn't much of a crowd for the women's game until the last 5 mins or so. 

People need to realize if they go to these games they are seeing some of the best basketball in the state of Texas aside from schools with full scholarships.  I would much rather watch these women playing their hearts out for the love of the game and a good education.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 10, 2006, 01:51:35 am
It sure is intresting how people from various teams are all llined up to see HSU lose this  Saturday.  Today is the first time in over a month they are in first (tied) and yet it seems that the old envy and hatred still lingers from former years. 

All the Cowgirls have to do to replace the injured girl is to have someone pass the play.  Their scoring has come from the post players all year. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 10, 2006, 08:17:45 am
Calhsu, Ralph is right, you have been out on the left coast way too long. As a fan, I want my team to finish first. It has nothing to do with past teams! Duh. At least you HSU people will have an excuse if you do lose. Envious, please....give me a break. That is the arrogant attitude that people like me don't appreciate from people like you. And in Sarah Hawk's defense, I have seen her play she does more than "pass the play". GO HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 10, 2006, 09:30:42 am
fanstand....First the winning tradition has a great deal to do with how HSU continues to win and why the rest of you love it when they have a loss. 

And now you have me saying  that Sarah is not a good player.   Of course she is, she starts for the division co-leader.  You said then that we would now have an excuse for not winning.  Well that is not what I meant,  her not playing will not decide the game.   It seems that MCM fans are the only one giving excues on why they lose.  I have proved that if I am wrong I will admit it;(see my post)   but what would you say  if I am right and HSU wins by ten,  or just wins.

I'm sure it will be the officating.  It always is when you guys lose.   When you win we just were so good.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 10, 2006, 09:31:19 am
Quote from: dballa link=
Time to go into HSU and knock them off.  [quote


That's easy for you to say!   :o

Go Cowgirls! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on February 10, 2006, 09:34:55 am
calhsu, I was trying to be diplomatic about UMHB.  UMHB's Lisa Martinez was voted the ASC-West Pre-Season POTY, but she left the team before the season began.  I don't know why. It doesn't matter now.  That would be a different UMHB Lady Cru.

Ralph - The diplomacy is appreciated, but there is more to the story on UMHB. New coach hired at the beginning of school year. 6'2" Post lost to injury before season starts. Pre-season POTY leaves team. Team starts 0-10, since then 7-5. The wins are against teams in the bottom of conference standings, but please a little love for a bunch of kids who have had to overcome a lot of adversity. Give the new coach a
year maybe two to recruit and establish her program and UMHB will be back. It has been a tough year for UMHB BB, the mens team lost their starting point guard. He was their playmaker and leading scorer. With him running the offense, the CRU put the only loss on the MC record.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 10, 2006, 09:44:01 am
It doesn't matter if it is HSU, McM, HPU or any other team in this division, everybody wants teams other than their own to lose.  I couldn't care less if it was HSU or SRSU that we were playing Saturday that was 1 game ahead of us.  It's not about who you play it's about what you're playing for.  HPU had a goal to go into McM, play well and give themselves a chance to win.  They did that.  Now they have their focus set on Saturday's game and will prepare in the same way as they always do. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on February 10, 2006, 10:43:11 am
The early on Sarah is an ACL.  What a great girl and ballplayer!  She will be sorely missed!  Sarah's absence will leave point guard duties to Rachel Cisneroz and Shanika Conaway.  Rachel is very capable of running the offense and Shanika is the best and quickest defender on the team.  I don't look for any fall off with either of these two on the floor.
Look for the Cowgirls to rally around Sarah's injury and play that much harder.

Go Cowgirls!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 10, 2006, 11:24:44 am
Pirate good report on how HSU will deal with the loss of a great player.

The remarks about the left coast are funny when RUSH says them but from the rest of you they just seem silly.  Untill this site has a Texas, LA, Miss.  residency requirement I will keep giving my two cents.
It takes me a couple of hours drive to see any college action.  This year I  did go see a young lady play that I coach when she was in our city league.  She plays for another HSU,  Humboldt State.  DII

I certainly have reaction to the comment that the MCM point guard is the "best in the country."    I don't want to say anything bad about her.  I'm sure she is great,  but that kind of statement is only true if she shows it against some of the best teams in the country.  When HSU's Anderson won the Josten MVP she had three years of great games against some of the best teams in the country.  She almost single handedly beat Trinity who won the national championship.     Please don't take this as disrepect to her.  But if you make a statement like that you have to have more than good stats and a winning record.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2006, 01:02:08 pm
Kendra Anderson's Jostens was a great accolade to an outstanding player.  Just being accepted as one of 12 Jostens nominees is an incredible honor, 12 players from 400+ D3 teams!  Wow!

(She is a Colorado City, TX grad.  I have a wonderful picture of my maternal grandmother coaching girls' 3-on-3 basketball in the cotton fields besides Longfellow School in Mitchell County, Texas, from 1922.  Perhaps Kendra's great-grandmother is in that picture!)

As for Symbri, she is building her own legacy.  She was one of five Deans' List players at McMurry in Fall 2005.

The ASC always has a goodly number of outstanding scholar-athletes in Women's Basketball!

Would it be fair to say that the HSU Women's Basketball team probably wins the Athletic Department "Academic Trophy"? :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 10, 2006, 04:30:35 pm
If I say black, calhsu will say white........we will NEVER agree on anything........Where did Kendra Anderson come in this conversation anyway? She was a great player, not a point guard, why bring that up? I should have said, Symbri is the #1 assist leader in the D3 category, excuse me for not being more specific. That makes her a dang good point guard, she has helped McM get 20 wins, helped put them in the top 10 in their division, she is awesome in the class and on the court. My predictions have been pretty acurate all year, the top three teams, Schreiner's sucess, hpu slipping under the radar, so I missed last night by 1 stinking point. The officials were not at fault, I said we beat ourselves, they just weren't very consistent in their calls. So I want the McM lady indians to finish first, that means I want HSU to lose. Its not rocket science, it's supporting my team. And after that Trinity team beat your cowgirls, MY lady indians beat them when they were ranked #1, going back to the intangibles that I have talked about all year. I have not made excuses why we have lost two games, I blamed ourselves, no one else. So there. And the only thing left I can say to you is "May the good Lord bless and keep you"
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 10, 2006, 05:01:41 pm
One more minor stat for Symbri.....Marissa Coop of LeTourneau and Symbri have both broken the assists record for most assists in the ASC, set by Diana Martinez of HSU during her fine career at 439.  Marissa a senior has 499 and three games to play in her career, Symbri has 456 as a junior with at least 4 games and hopefully more than that left to play this year, and a whole other year to go!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 10, 2006, 05:22:33 pm
Diana had 439 assists, and she was the starting pg for only one season.  thats pretty awesome!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 10, 2006, 05:29:36 pm
Yes the Lord does bless each and every day.  
Kendra was brought up  because  she was said to be one of the best in the country.   She proved it in nationally ranked games.
If your wonderful MCM player helps wins the ASC playoffs, and then they win some game in the big dance,  I will say that I agree that she is one of the best in the country.

Get your history straight.  The year McM beat Trinity was the year AFTER they were national champs.  HSU beat them the year they were national champs.  And that year the lost to Trinity was their only loss.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 10, 2006, 05:35:19 pm
here is the line for Sonya West the year they beat Trinity:

4 rebounds
4 assists
3 blocks
29 points
34 minutes
12-19 shooting

nice.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 10, 2006, 05:40:10 pm
  Fanstand, Oh and since you mentioned the top ten ranking.  Enjoy it for the week.  You will not be there next week.

Now I know that was mean.   Truth is the polls are just for fun.  Great if you are there, but the real meaningful games start Saturday.  . 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 10, 2006, 06:04:34 pm
I know that. They were still ranked #1 when they beat them. You are a typical HSU fan, but my skin is thick so cheap shot all you want. At least we got to the top 10. We will see who wins and at the end of the year one of us will be eating crow. If its me put some BBQ sauce on it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 10, 2006, 08:29:08 pm
Since people are making predictions, here's another one: HSU will beat HPU tomorrow afternoon.  As a McM fan, I'd prefer the opposite, but we played a lackluster game yesterday (the Abilene paper had it right in today's story: we didn't look like a team that had only one loss all season up to then).  Despite our poor showing, we lost by only a point.  HSU is peaking right now, so I figure what HPU managed to do to beat us isn't going to be enough to take out HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: matalk on February 10, 2006, 08:51:53 pm
Calhsu...This is all I have to say about you....get over yourself and HSU!  You want to talk about the past, lets talk about last year when your team did when the West but they lost in the second round of the tournament to McM.  Yes, they might be coming together but things can change in the span of one game.  I hope that a whole lot of HPU students show up at the game tomorrow...and when they win they give good ole HSU the "Overrated" chant.  Best of luck to everyone in the games tomorrow and may the best team win!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 10, 2006, 08:56:07 pm
I think we'll have a good showing for the game.  The only bad thing is the HPU baseball team has a couple home games against Trinity, so there will be some students going to those games. 

It should be an exciting environment nonetheless. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2006, 09:03:16 pm
Congratulations, fellow ASC posters!

Our recent ripostes have vaulted the ASC in the 3rd place in page views among all of the Women's Message Boards with 13636 page views.

As of 7:57 pm, the MIAC is at 21,781 page views.  The Middle Atlantic Conference (actually the boards for the Freedom and Commonwealth Conferences) have had 15,828 page views.

We have surpassed the WIAC which currently has 13463 page views.

Travel safely and good luck to all competitors.  It is too late in the season to suffer a bad injury!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 11, 2006, 01:43:34 pm
last night cowgirl shanika conaways sister was killed in a car accident, by a drunk driver.  all our hearts and prayers go out to you and your family. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 01:52:42 pm
Ohhhh No-o-o-o-o-o-o! :'(  :'(  :'(

Prayers and condolences to Shanika and her family!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 01:54:15 pm
Last Regular Season home game for Seniors Carli Engelke and Jennifer Finstad!

Thanks for the enjoyment of your playing these last 4 years!

Get back on track!  Go L.I.B!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 02:15:11 pm
McM 14, SRSU 7  14:30 left in the 1st half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 11, 2006, 02:34:19 pm
hpu 30  hsu 30 4:30 left first half.  hpu is on fire from 3 pt line.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 02:42:34 pm
Halftime -- McM 37 SRSU 12.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 11, 2006, 02:44:22 pm
hpu 37 hsu 36 half.  hpu has hit  7  3 pointers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 11, 2006, 02:49:47 pm
So sorry, Shanika!  :'(

Our prayers are with YOU and your family!

May God be with you...

Love and peace!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 11, 2006, 02:56:19 pm
hpu is shooting 10 of 30 w/ 7 (7-14)  3's.
meia daniels has 14 pts.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 03:06:23 pm
McM 49, SRSU 19, 13:30 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 03:31:05 pm
McM 69, SRSU 36;  4:38 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 03:40:27 pm
Final score McM 79, SRSU 43.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 03:45:20 pm
Announced at the McM game, final score from the Mabee Complex...

HPU Lady Jackets 66, HSU 64.

I wish that we could send 3 teams to the NCAA Tourney from the West, all to different brackets.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 11, 2006, 03:45:43 pm
HPU wins by two points!

Two great wins by them in Abilene!

Final:  66-64...I think!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 11, 2006, 04:02:45 pm
Our prayer are with Conaway family and the entire HSU team.  I know ya'll are strong and will get through this.
We will be thinking of you.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 06:38:06 pm
last night cowgirl shanika conaways sister was killed in a car accident, by a drunk driver.  all our hearts and prayers go out to you and your family. 

The other day, I heard of a judge that sentenced a drunk driver who killed an innocent person to 180 days in jail to be served...

Dec 24th thru Jan 1st, and
3 days around the victim's birthday, and
3 days around the birthday of the victim's mother and
3 days around the day of the accident,
every year for 10 years.

I do not like alcohol and driving!  >:(

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 11, 2006, 07:50:33 pm
ralph, that is a pretty cool punishment...at least he will have to think about what he has done for 10 years...rather that be sentenced to 7 and out in 2 (like the woman who's 18 yr old foster child had been starved for 12 yrs and weighed 65 lbs when he was rescued)

o.k. what about the polls, standings, etc...MC  beat ETBU by about 30 (hubby could not remember the score) they also beat LeT Thursday.  with MC back on track(we hope) and HPU stirring up the west....what now?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 11, 2006, 08:32:38 pm
That is tough to hear about Conaways family. 

I wish I could fully enjoy this win by the HPU Lady Jackets but it's hard to after watching how the men played. 

I am still waiting for my favorite poster calhsu to show up.  Although he's probably not able to talk too much with that foot in his mouth.

I said it before if they had shot just 30% in Brownwood they would have beaten HSU and would have been in the game against McMurry.  I think this weekend proves that. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 11, 2006, 08:38:23 pm
Ralph what happened to the ASC posts on the baseball board? I was going to post the HPU scores but couldnt' find it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 11, 2006, 08:40:45 pm
How tragic that another one in this conference has lost someone unexpectedly and in such a terrible way. Our thoughts and prayers are with their family. That is all I can say right now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2006, 09:33:36 pm
Ralph what happened to the ASC posts on the baseball board? I was going to post the HPU scores but couldnt' find it.

We broke those up by region. The ASC is in the West Region for baseball, as you probably know.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 11, 2006, 09:55:33 pm
"Meia Daniels proved why she is probably the MVP of the ASC West with 23 points and nine rebounds. She buried five 3-pointers in the game. "

That statement was in the HSU article written today that is accesible on the front page.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 11, 2006, 09:56:10 pm
By the way my thoughts and prayers go out to the Conaway family as well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 11, 2006, 10:15:05 pm
 Daballa,     Sorry to keep you waiting.  I did watch the gametracker till the end.  After the game I went out and committed sucide.  .....  No,  that is  just what you thought I would do.  What I did was went out and enjoyed our wonderful California day,  (around 70)

First things first.  Hats off to the jacket ladies.  I can't be more impressed for them to come and beat both Abilene teams.  
No,  not one excuse.  The Cowgirls didn't lose because of officating,  a death in the family.  They had one lady drop a couple of free throws in the last minute and the Cowgirls walked off with a two point loss.  
I was wrong,  I was wrong,  I was wrong  I was wrong.
Now are some of you happy
Now my turn.  Yes I did find one thing good about the loss. Only a half full person like myself could have thought of it.
Just imagine if the jacket player misses the free throws,  West grabs the ball and score and the Cowgirls win.  I know, wishful  thinking.   If that had happened they would have won but they would have two nail biting wins.  If you know anything about basketball teams have a really hard time winning like that three times.  So if you care about the long term it was better that they lose today than in a couple weeks.    I am not saying I am glad they loss,  but since they did,  believe it or  not  life has to go on.

I am not going to stop bugging you fanatics(I think that is nicer than being called arrogant,  We are not arragant, just spoiled with years of championships) from other teams.  I sort of thought that was what this form was about.  We don't play the games, we just voice opinions.  I'm beginning to think I catch more flack because I am not in Texas.    I have wonderful memories of my days in Texas but will never live there again,  that doesn't make me a bad person.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 11, 2006, 10:27:42 pm
Question for the all knowing Ralph.

What is the format for the conference playoffs.
How many teams go,  I could figure it out from there.

I am concerned about having access to following the games.  During that time  I will be in Turkey.  If they make the big dance I will be back by then.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 11, 2006, 11:27:55 pm
 :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2006, 11:36:05 pm
Calhsu, the top 4 teams in each division hosted by Miss College.

Only LaCollege, LeTU, UT-Tyler a provisional NCAA member, Schreiner, TLU and SRSU have been eliminated.

The ASC homepage does not lay out the bracket, or at least I haven't seen it.  We will probably go down to deep tie-breakers for this one.  The Tie-Breaker criteria (and remember read "Division" and not conference) are at the very bottom of the home page.

You might check to see if you can internet broadcasts of the game from HSU's web site.

Travel safely!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 12, 2006, 01:01:11 am
Calhsu, please do travel safe, and find a way to send some posts, I won't have anyone to pick on if not. Did you put ketchup on your crow, or did you wrap it in a lettuce leaf? And who says Meia is a lock for POY, what about Tarra or Symbri? I know that article was written by HSU they couldn't stand for it to go to a Mcm player, and another thing why did the top 25 polls change today? That's usually a Monday or Tuesday thing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2006, 01:10:39 am
Fanstand, which "Top 25 polls"?  D3hoops.com?  Or WBCA?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 12, 2006, 01:21:21 am
D3 hoops on my computer has at 11 today, I have a schedule for Tourney with seedings and times.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2006, 01:22:21 am
Our poll did not change today.

D3 hoops on my computer has at 11 today, I have a schedule for Tourney with seedings and times.

Huh? Has what at 11 today?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 12, 2006, 01:23:41 am
On my computer top 25 teams has Mcm at 11 and Hsu at 13, different from yesterday, am I crazy?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2006, 01:26:23 am
Only if you didn't hit refresh any time since Monday morning.

Don't use the built-in AOL browser, that's a piece of crap. AOL tries to save money by saving copies of web pages on their own servers and then sending you those pages instead of the most updated version.

When you log into AOL, go back to your Start button (if you're using Windows) and use the Internet Explorer Bill Gates forced you to have on your hard drive. Or better yet, download Firefox (http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/central/), which is just plain better.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 12, 2006, 01:28:49 am
I am techno-tarded, computer challanged....sorry, will try and keep up, didn't have a clue it changed. Thanks for the info
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2006, 01:34:02 am
That's OK -- you'd be doing OK if AOL weren't holding you back. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 12, 2006, 10:25:09 am
Calhsu, when I was in Istanbul a couple of years ago there were internet cafes on every corner!  Be sure to drop in and log on to D3Hoop.com!  We need your insight!  About 70 cents in American money will give you plenty of time to express yourself to your heart's desire!  Just watch the time you spend in that cloud of second-hand smoke that will be your constant companion in those places. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 12, 2006, 08:23:46 pm
Inthepaint,  My wife has told me that I will find those same internet sites.   What an age we live in,  a Californian in Turkey writing people in Texas.

I had to laugh a little when I noticed when the posts stopped  this morning.   Right before time for church.   The reason I notice such is not the case in pagan California.
I call it job security.

Of course HPU has to be considered in the polls this week. Could this be a week we four ASC teams are listed?   Now that is something to be proud of.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 13, 2006, 11:30:01 am
I call it job security.

I need a little explanation.  What is it that you do out there on the left coast?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 13, 2006, 11:52:39 am
    INthepaint.   Well I am a voice crying in the wilderness, a shepherd,  counselor,  friend,  teacher, chaplain,  oh an I get paid to be a pastor.    While I was at HSU I was a pupil of my pastor James Flamming of FBC.  I hate to admit this also. While I was at HSU I never attended a ladies basketball game,  never missed a men's game.  All this while being the sports editor of the Brand.  Times change,  I had two daughters,  after years of coaching girls,  I much prefer the women's style of play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 13, 2006, 12:04:02 pm
calhsu...it is really interesting to find out what some of the people on this board do...for the first year on the board i thought everyone (just listening to the post) were young male college students...i would love to hear more
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on February 13, 2006, 01:01:10 pm
HSU officials had hoped to keep Shanika's sisters death from the team until after the HPU game. Unfortunatly they were forced to tell the team 30 minutes before they took the floor.  It was parents day for the HSU players.  The players and parents were introduced before the game.  Believe me it was very sobering walking out on that floor with your daughter knowing she was grieving inside for her teammate.  I asked her if she was ready to play and she said "no, but the team had no choice, we gotta play." After Sarah's ACL, and Shanika's tragic news the Cowgirls played well but their hearts and heads were elsewhere, and they nearly pulled off the victory.   After game the game I asked my daughter what she wanted to do,  she said "Take me home Daddy, I just want go home."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 13, 2006, 01:04:58 pm
I am glad to know that it is a fellow pastor who takes about as much heat on this site as I find coming my way!  8)  

Two years ago I spent 8 days in Istanbul working with an IMB group.  We stayed in Taksim.  I will be joining your network of warriors lifting you before the throne.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 13, 2006, 01:08:25 pm
"Take me home Daddy, I just want go home."

My friend, we are praying for your daughter, her teammates, and for this family that grieves.  We have had TWO TOO MANY reminders this season that this is a game, haven't we? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 13, 2006, 01:13:25 pm
Oh, and one more post before I head out of the office:

Congratulations to the Lady Jackets for their weekend in Abilene.  Their coach obviously led them to look past the poor performances of the past couple of weeks and forward to the challenges they were facinig.  Way to make the most of the trip, ladies!  Whooo-hoooo!  ;D

While I have yet to see a game this season I have found things to be as exciting as one could hope for.  McM, HSU and HPU are all three strong contenders for the conference title.  I don't mean to look past MC . . . I certainly should not . . . but I must conclude that the three leaders of the West will ultimately produce the champ!  What a run to the wire!  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 13, 2006, 02:15:14 pm
I am really blown away that the Cowgirls went on the court in that situation and kept it together at all.   

Still no excues.  HPU won and that will never change.

 But I am even more convinced now than before.  Given a third game,  HSU by 10.   I may not always been right but at lest I'm consistent.   Hopefully not consistently wrong.

Inthepaint,  I am going on a pastor's tour of the seven cites of revelation,  and Troy and finishing up in Istanbul.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 13, 2006, 04:47:44 pm
Check out the new poll http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/

ASC has 4 teams in the Top 25. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 13, 2006, 05:16:26 pm
The poll seems screwy.  It seems to me all three ASC West women's teams should have the same ranking.  McMurry is in first place in the ASC West by only 2 points -- its margin of victory over Mississippi College at the start of the season.  Without those two points, there would be a 3-way tie right now.  Otherwise, McM, HSU, and HPU have all beaten the same teams and have a win/loss each with each other.  Momentum would give the lead to HPU, or holding up in the face of tragedy to HSU.

After what has happened with two deaths impacting on the season, I'm really looking forward to all of this being over.  As others have said, who wins or loses becomes of little import in the perspective of these larger issues.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 13, 2006, 08:58:07 pm
Any score from Alpine?

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 13, 2006, 09:00:06 pm
I don't have any scores out of Alpine yet, anxiously awaiting word on the games but out of Mississippi.... La College 71 MC 70.  Thats huge as far as momentum goes for MC into the conference tourney.  Losing 3 games late in conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on February 13, 2006, 09:25:12 pm
Final from Alpine -- HPU won 66-33  (It was a 9 point game at halftime)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 13, 2006, 09:26:10 pm
Thanks for the score from Alpine.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2006, 11:14:20 pm
My vote for biggest win in the ASC-East is

LC 71,  MC 70 in the Golden Dome!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 14, 2006, 09:08:17 am
You're right Ralph.  I wasn't at the game but I talked to someone who was and they said it seemed if MC's head wasn't in it.  Natalie Jordan was injured in the early part of the game, status unknown.  I was at the ETBU game last Saturday and it looked like they were back on track, but now we'll see.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 14, 2006, 10:56:28 am
I think it is hard for everyone's head to be in every game right now. We have to get by these last two games and not look ahead to the tourney. I think McM feels a new life and will take care of business this week and be ready for the trip to Mississippi. No one can afford to slack right here even if they are in the tourney with playoff bids coming up. I think the only teams that advance are the conference champ and the runner up if everyone wins out this week. I'm still in McM court, I know they can win the tournament. Player for player, I still feel they have the best team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 14, 2006, 12:09:31 pm
Final from Alpine --

Gym Rat, what in the world have you done in days-gone-by to have garnered a -6 in the Karma Rating?  :o  Good gosh, man, that has to be a record!  Actually, I'm proud of you for having the ability to be a burr under a good number of saddle blankets! ;)

I looked back through old posts and see nothing with spite or significant attitude.  So, my hat is off to you!   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 14, 2006, 12:19:23 pm
Ralph,  If the playoff were this weekend,  I know that MCM would be the #1 seed from the west.  Who would be second and third?

I would have to say I am a little more concerned about the MHB game for HSU  than I would have been before the weekends loss and I don't mean the game.    The team would be more likely to be in heavy grief now  than they were on Saturday.  I'm sure they were in shock saturday and really just did what they had to.  (Still no excues for the loss.)
About the polls.   The polls are not about the short term.  They are not even just about this year.  Every year HSU is going to get votes because of what they put on the court year in and year out.  On a given year unless they lose more than four or five games they will be in the top 25.  Look how long it took MCM to get any respect,  if HSU had that start they would have been ranked in the top five before they lost a game.   And that is not to say anything about HPU.
 
The playoffs don't care about last week or last year.  Win you go, and lose your gone.  I do agree that the top two teams for the playoffs will go.  Unless the second team was a freak winner of the first to playoffs,  one of the teams not in the top four of the ASC.   MCM could have a small chance if they were not in the top two.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 14, 2006, 12:54:54 pm
calhsu,

I don't know if I agree with your thoughts on polls. The polls, in my opinion, should be based strictly on the year in progress. Yes some teams are going to get votes based on the program. I think HSU benefits from having a good program so they automatically get votes because they have that respect. Now do they always deserve the votes? That is not my call, nor will I touch the subject. It is not that HSU doesn't deserve the votes, but I think some votes are based on the program's history and not the current team's success.  This year obviously HSU deserves votes as does McM and HPU, obviously all three teams are extremely good. I agree you have to earn the respect, but sometimes the respect for a certain team overlooks their record for the current year. Just my take.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2006, 01:08:46 pm
Ralph,  If the playoff were this weekend,  I know that MCM would be the #1 seed from the west.  Who would be second and third?

I understand the conference by-laws to say that HSU gets the #2 seed by virtue of the advantage in the point differential, 3 pts to 2 pts (up to a "max" of 10 pts.)

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/pdffiles/policy-tiebreaker-allsports.pdf


I would have to say I am a little more concerned about the MHB game for HSU  than I would have been before the weekends loss and I don't mean the game.    The team would be more likely to be in heavy grief now  than they were on Saturday.  I'm sure they were in shock saturday and really just did what they had to.  (Still no excues for the loss.)
About the polls.   The polls are not about the short term.  They are not even just about this year.  Every year HSU is going to get votes because of what they put on the court year in and year out.  On a given year unless they lose more than four or five games they will be in the top 25.  Look how long it took MCM to get any respect,  if HSU had that start they would have been ranked in the top five before they lost a game.   And that is not to say anything about HPU.

I believe that HSU is getting points in the Polls because of history of being a strong competitive playoff team, and this year's record is giving no reason to suspect otherwise.

I believe that McMurry is getting poll points because they lead the ASC-West, historically a strong division/conference.  

HPU is also getting the same consideration.  (MissColl had been as well.)  My hope is that the ASC be known that its leader is perennially is a Top-10 calibre team.

 
The playoffs don't care about last week or last year.  Win you go, and lose your gone.  I do agree that the top two teams for the playoffs will go.  Unless the second team was a freak winner of the first to playoffs,  one of the teams not in the top four of the ASC.   MCM could have a small chance if they were not in the top two.

Well, sethhpu and I are somewhat saying the same thing,  but a conference's reputation for quality play can sustain itself as long as all teams are contributing to that reputation.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 14, 2006, 01:15:09 pm
Ralph,

What do you think the max # of bids the ASC will get. I think all four top 25 deserve it, but the regional rankings and NCAA I'm sure will say otherwise. Is it possible that we could get 3 bids?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 14, 2006, 01:18:24 pm
I don't know exactly who makes up the polling list, but until the teams in the ASC play a significant number of games against teams from the rest of the country then the accuracy of the poll will be questioned.  History breeds tradition not places on a poll.

If they can get it back together MC has a very balanced team and could prove to be formidable opponent at the conference tournament.  It would be a major coup for the East if they can win it all.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2006, 02:34:08 pm
sethhpu, before last night's loss by MissColl to LC, I thought that having 4 teams in the South Region Rankings might have given us 3 teams in the Tourney, 2 plus MissColl which is > 500 miles away.

If Miss Coll falls out of the In-Region ranking, then I will say only 2, if Miss Coll doesn't win the Pool A.

By Miss Coll not being a ranked team, the loss to an unranked team, which I perceive is less valuable, hurts HPU and HSU.  Likewise McM's win over MC loses value as well.

I may be off-base on this, but if I am considering criteria, I believe that playing a ranked team is better than any outcome with an unranked team.   I will appreciate any corrections to this belief (on-line or offline) by an official in committee capacity.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 14, 2006, 03:18:26 pm
http://www.wbca.org/DIIICoachesPoll.asp

New Coaches Poll still has the 4 ASC teams in the Top 25. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on February 14, 2006, 06:28:26 pm
Maybe I did not make myself clear.  What I said was not the way I thought it "should be,"   but just the way it is year in and year out.   Right now in the the men's McMurrry and MC are the only team that get noticed.  That again is based on past history.  It is the same in football.  HSU is in till they get beat.  Now things change,  MHB in football gets attention because for a couple of year they have earned  attention.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 06:36:52 pm
HPU-6 TLU-0 16:00 min left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 06:44:53 pm
Media timeout-- 14:28; McM 10, at CUA 6.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 06:48:15 pm
HPU-11 TLU-5 9:55 left in the first, media to
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 06:52:33 pm
10:31 left  McM 20, CUA 15.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 07:00:38 pm
McM 22,  CUA  17.   7:09.

I have to go to a meeting. :(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 07:08:48 pm
Half HPU-33 TLU-15
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: cp1123 on February 16, 2006, 07:24:57 pm
ETBU Lady Tigers hold a comfortable 40-23 early in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 07:31:51 pm
14:22 left 2nd half HPU-40 TLU-17
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 07:39:27 pm
9:56 left HPU-46 TLU-25
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 07:47:43 pm
5:59 left HPU-50 TLU-30
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 08:05:41 pm
HPU-61 TLU 37 Final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 16, 2006, 08:14:20 pm
Final scores from Abilene radio:

McM 79, CUA 59

UMHB 86, HSU 74

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 08:17:29 pm
Finals?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 16, 2006, 08:17:50 pm
Sorry I can't read I see they are finals
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 16, 2006, 09:14:25 pm
I just caught the end of the HSU broadcast.  I guess I should have kept listening for the post-game commentary.  Did UMHB play really well, or did HSU have a bad night -- or both?  And what does this mean for the McM-UMHB matchup on Saturday?  UMHB is now guaranteed 4th place in the tournament and is too far back to reach 3rd even with a win, so will they play hard to try to maintain their momentum, or slack off to avoid any injuries before heading to MC?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 16, 2006, 09:35:10 pm
MC defeated UT-Dallas by about 76-71... not quite sure of the final score...it was close.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 16, 2006, 09:50:24 pm
 :o  Wow, that's a big loss for HSU.  Momentum, the mental edge, confidence - all are shaken by that one! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 16, 2006, 10:39:37 pm
Someone asked about the Cru and how they played.  I heard the end of the game and I "believe" I heard the announcer say UMHB shot 71% in the second half many 3 ptrs.

...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 16, 2006, 11:05:17 pm
Ralph,
Where did you hear about the MC-UTD game.  We couldn't find it anywhere on the internet.  The final score was MC over UTD, 77-71. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsugirlsfan on February 16, 2006, 11:13:54 pm
Seems like HSU might be missing their point guard's leadership.  Even at that, it's hard to beat a team that shoots 71%! The loss will surely shake some confidence but I'm betting they will bounce back.  They have played too well since Christmas to run amuck now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 12:00:22 am
Ralph,
Where did you hear about the MC-UTD game.  We couldn't find it anywhere on the internet.  The final score was MC over UTD, 77-71. 

I caught the first half of the Men's Game (Comets-Chocs) and asked someone.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 17, 2006, 02:55:40 pm
UMHB, I was afraid will be tough at home. They are playing with alot of heart and have been improving for some time. I don't care who a team is, if you are shooting 71% in the second half, I don't think anyone will beat you with those stats. I got the call in Austin last night, about the Ozarks player that was killed in a car wreck. He was on the roster earlier in the year, but his twin brother is the one who was playing. I work with their aunt, yet another family to pray for and there isn't anyone who hasn't been touched in this conference this year. I have always heard it comes in 3's. Lets hope and pray we are done.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 17, 2006, 03:45:01 pm
So I guess if UMHB pulls off another upset against McM that makes HPU the #1 seed from the West side since they defeated UMHB twice?

It's amazing how one gym and 2 schools has such a big impact on next weeks tournament seeding.

GO CRU!!! make it an Abilene sweep.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 17, 2006, 03:53:43 pm
We defeated UMHB the first time around, they just played a tough game. I don't think that's gonna happen this time. I think McM has the lock on first in the West because we beat HPU by more than they beat us. Right? I'm no mathmatician but I think that's the case. IF we tie with HPU. But I believe McM ladies will pull this one off. Unless UMHB shoots 71% again.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 17, 2006, 04:13:46 pm
Well the way they look at it with the tiebreaker point differential comes after they look at the records between teams in the division. 

If it came before the records then McM would have that advantage since they beat HPU by more than HPU beat them.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 08:14:13 pm
ASC Women's Bracket  (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0506/60216womenbasketball-weekly.pdf) is posted.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 17, 2006, 08:59:17 pm
So, as things stand Friday before any Saturday action, who is second and who is third in the West?  ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 17, 2006, 09:51:00 pm
1st McM
2nd HPU
3rd HSU

I don't think HSU can get the 2nd seed even if HPU loses because HSU lost to UMHB and HPU swept the series.

McM loses Saturday and HPU wins then HPU gets the #1 seed by the same tiebreaker.

Very important games for seeding.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 10:01:02 pm
dballa beat me!

Paint, HPU is in 2nd, one game behind McM.  If McM loses and HPU wins, then HPU hosts by virtue of a better record over UMHB.

HSU is in 3rd.  If HPU loses to Schreiner, and HSU defeats CUA, then HPU seeds 2nd by virtue of a better record against UMHB.

If McM wins, then they win the West and are the #1 seed.

McM would play the #4 seed in the ASC East.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 17, 2006, 10:04:52 pm
Sorry Ralph wasn't sure if you were around.

Remember the tourney is in the East so HPU wouldn't host but could be the #1 seed.

Should be exciting to see what happens in a lot of games tomorrow.  It's great that all the races are pretty much going down to the last game except there will probably be some health insurance companies that aren't going to be happy :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 10:07:40 pm
dballa, I am glad you were "fustest with the mostest"!

I want us to go far and go deep in the tourney!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1fan on February 17, 2006, 10:12:56 pm
 ??? ??? ???
I do I get the brackets for the tournament? :-\ :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 10:23:15 pm
??? ??? ???
I do I get the brackets for the tournament? :-\ :-\

 ASC Women's Bracket is posted on page 3.  (http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0506/60216womenbasketball-weekly.pdf)

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1fan on February 17, 2006, 10:25:46 pm
Sorry about the typo it should read "How do I get the brackets?"  I am a really dummy but page 3 of what?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 17, 2006, 10:42:27 pm
#1fan just click on Ralphs previous message where it says ASC Women's Bracket...it's a link to the conference website where it shows the bracket...

or you can just go to www.americansouthwestconf.org ( you can click on that website on here) and the very first story on there..if you click on where it says women...you can get to that same thing Ralph posted.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2006, 11:10:53 pm
Good News!  Oglethorpe lost at Rhodes tonight!

We might keep four ranked in-region teams!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 18, 2006, 11:47:05 am
I would think the only west team that may really struggle in the first round of the conference tournament will be the fourth place team taking on the first place team of the east.  It's surely going to be a west team that wins the conference title.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 18, 2006, 11:58:30 am
early prediction:
there will NOT be a team from the EAST playing on day 2 of the tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 01:49:33 pm
The Lady Jackets are looking for some help from UMHB. If both MCM women and men loose with Jackets win then HPU can both be #1 seeds, so Go Jackets and go Cru.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 02:08:08 pm
8-4 HPU 14:57 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 02:17:09 pm
HPU-22 SU-5 10:29 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 02:26:12 pm
McM 14 UMHB 12 with 5:46 left in the half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 02:26:38 pm
HPU-31 SU-11 7:15 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 02:37:00 pm
McM 22 UMHB 24 halftime

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 02:38:51 pm
This is probably a good pace for UMHB...I hope McM can pick up the pace in the second half and hit some shots.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 02:40:31 pm
McM is having trouble today.  Both Burton and Engelke have picked up 3 fouls in the first half.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 02:42:38 pm
Finnman, McM can no longer claim to be a young team!

The starters have at least 2 full seasons now.

A veteran team should not let a young team like UMHB do this to them.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 02:43:56 pm
HPU-50 SU-15 half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 02:46:18 pm
It seems like in these close games, no one is stepping up to help Richardson on the offensive side.  Maybe I'm wrong, but that is what happened to them at HSU and when HPU beat them at home.

I think if they can get UMHB running up and down the floor like they did at McM earlier when they were also down at half, they will be OK
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 18, 2006, 02:48:52 pm
McMurry l. i. b. players are not playing with maturity as apposed to being young.  I don't think UMBH can hang with Tara in the post.  The ball needs to be pounded in the to post.  It is not expected that the UMBH post can keep up.  If they double Tara, pass off for easier buckets should be available.  The wing players must pick up their work.

Time remains for McMurry to right the ship!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 18, 2006, 03:05:45 pm
McM by 6.  now is the time to put the game away.  UMBH can not run with McM.  It is questionable if they can play up tempo.  Keep the ball going inside.  Guards and wings pick up the pace.

both teams missing easy baskets and making turnovers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 03:08:28 pm
HPU-66 SU-18 13:26 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 03:10:11 pm
9:26 minutes left.  McM by 6, 40-34.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 03:16:18 pm
HPU-80 SU-22 9:53 left, Jackets shooting over 50% from the field and 3 point land
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 03:19:34 pm
Tied at 40;  6:40 left.

McM--Sawyer FG 6:15 left.  42-40.
UMHB--OOB. Good defense by Jabri Butler!!!
McM--6:02 Butler great pass from Sawyer. Fouled and she does not  convert 5:50. McM 44-40.
UMHB--Butler rebounds but OOB.
UMHB--Ball is defensed, Sawyer rebs.
McM--5:08 left. Richardson FG.  McM 46-40.
UMHB--Richardson fouls. 4:34 media timeout.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 03:25:34 pm
........

........

UMHB--Tuttle fouls Barnes FT 2-2, McM 49-43
McM--Heitmiller rebs.
UMHB--3:23; Venekamp fouls Barnes.  FT 2-2. McM 49-45.
McM--Sawyer 3FG.  McM 52-45. 2:40.
UMHB--Sawyer deflects the pass.
McM--Venekamp rebs, 2:13 Richardson fouled FG good. timeout .McM 54-45 and Tarra at the line.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 03:28:15 pm
UMHB--Barnes FG.
McM--Barnes rebs.
UMHB 1:15; Wurzbach FG.  54-49.
McM-- McM calls time. McM 54-49.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 03:30:24 pm
McM-- 0:52 left; 0:16 on the shot clock.

An 11-2 run in the first 4:24 off the second half gave McMurry the lead and the momentum.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 03:32:11 pm
McM--0:19 left and has the ball after Sawyer steals a pass.

McM  54-49.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 03:35:56 pm
Ralph and bcal

The other girls did step up and help on the offensive side...Congrats to the Lady Indians on West Champs...lets win the whole thing next weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 03:36:15 pm
HPU-92 SU-33 final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 03:37:09 pm
McM--Sawyer FT good, and then missed but gets her reb.  Time runs down!  UMHB cannot score.


McM  57 UMHB 49!

ASC-West Division Champions!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 03:38:03 pm
Ralph and bcal

The other girls did step up and help on the offensive side...Congrats to the Lady Indians on West Champs...lets win the whole thing next weekend.

The L.I.B. get to hang the West banner!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 18, 2006, 03:40:30 pm
Congrats to McM, should be an interesting tournament. Go Jackets!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 18, 2006, 03:41:09 pm
It also sounded like UMHB had a good game plan today...and they are going to give MC some troubles in the 1st round...and anyone else they play if they make it past that game.  I would hate to play them in the 1st round.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 18, 2006, 03:45:18 pm
Kudos to L. I. B.  on the win.  Congratulations to Coaches Nichols and Densman.  McM is #1 seed next week.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 18, 2006, 03:51:45 pm
Just off the Abilene radio:

HSU 78  CUA 59  final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 18, 2006, 03:57:08 pm
I don't believe the Lady Indians have ever had sole ownership of a championship.  They were co-champs of the West in 1999-2000, and before that (I think) co-champs in the 1980s.  Last year, though they got to the final game of the conference tournament, they won neither the division nor the conference.  Today is something to be proud of, whatever happens next week in Clinton.  Congratulations!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: intern on February 18, 2006, 04:14:47 pm
Finally!!! What a great season for the Lady Indians. Wish I could've been there to see it, but Kit and Leon talked me through it.

Great season girls!

Pops keep it up, don't let them coast in clinton.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 18, 2006, 04:17:03 pm
Final -  UTT 83 MC 75 in OT. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 06:41:28 pm
Miss Coll is limping into the playoffs.

Does anyone know why the wheels have fallen off?

They have lost 4 of the last 7.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 18, 2006, 06:50:26 pm
Remember, Ralph, our women lost their last few regular season games last year, in part because Simbri Tuttle was injured and Sam Nichols deliberately kept her out of the games to give her time to mend -- and the game outcomes at that point had no outcome on the final tournament seeding.  The result was that we could put Simbri back in for the tournament and get all the way to the final game.  Could this be something similar, looking worse for MC than it really is?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 07:26:28 pm
McMfan, I cannot find any changes in the lineups or distribution of minutes on the Lady Chocs website that suggest a major injury.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 18, 2006, 08:26:34 pm
Congratulations Lady Indians, Lady Jackets and Cowgirls on your wins!  With UMHB playing hard and strong these last couple of weeks it is going to be a West championship!  I would be shocked if anyone from the East hangs through it, though I have been shocked before  ;). 

My heart is in Cowgirl country but to whoever wins in Clinton - take it deep into the playoffs and show the nation the type of basketball played in the ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 18, 2006, 08:29:08 pm
Could they be losing deliberately, to lull all the West teams into a false sense of security before being bashed in the Golden Dome?   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2006, 08:39:44 pm
Let me try the brackets for the women.

West

1)  McM 20-2

2)  HPU 19-3

3)  HSU 18-4

4)  UMHB  9-13.


East

1) MC  17-5

2) ETBU 14-8

Three-way tie in 3rd.  UOzarks, Austin College and UT-Dallas at 11-11.

Multiple ties...Uozarks wins the 3-way by sweeping AC and splitting with UT-Dallas.  UOzarks is seeded 3rd.

Two-way tie between AC and UT-Dallas.

AC wins this tie-breaker by virtue of their win over MC.  AC is seeded 4th.

UT-Tyler is in the 3rd year of provisional status and is ineligible for post-season play.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 18, 2006, 08:40:07 pm
McMfan...have you lost your mind...i wish i could say it was on purpose...you have gor to be kidding...MC is hurt...they are all limping because they have shoot themselves in the foot...and missed a great opportunity (i still love my chocs)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 18, 2006, 11:00:44 pm
It seems to me that MC has been struggling to regain its momemtum that was lost when Lacey Kennedy was hurt.  Just as they start to get it together, someone is out sick and then somebody else has an injury(which doesn't stop them from playing, but hinders their performance).  The game today was rough, Lacey hurt her ankle today, Natalie Jordan went out of the game after being hit in the face.  MC needs some healing and I hope they are ready for the tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 18, 2006, 11:45:51 pm
Just slid in to town from a great four days in the Austin area. How sweet it is............Great job today from L.I.B. and coaches. They kept working and kept their heads in the ball game.  Everyone in the conference has stepped up their play, and will be ready for the tourney. I heard Molly Buker the point for HPU was hurt today, they said her knee. That would hurt HPU but I still think they will be in the mix if she is unable to return. The smiles today from the coaches and players were awesome. Look out Mississippi, here we come.......and looking for a championship.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 19, 2006, 10:27:24 am
millie,
My son tells me I lost my mind a long time ago!

Seriously, what you say helps explain Ralph Turner's question about what has been ailing the Chocs, since he said he couldn't see anything from the game stats.  Get healthy for next week!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 19, 2006, 10:36:36 am
fanstand, she did hurt her knee in yesterdays game and they were supposed to get it checked out last night.  So we're still waiting to see how severe it is.  The good thing is if she can play this weekend she has a few days to get healthy.

If she can't play she will be missed.  She's a good passer, great on defense and does a great job in getting the offense going.  But the team will pull it together and can win without her if need be.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 20, 2006, 11:20:13 am
With all the congratulatory rhetoric I felt it appropriate to give a shout out to my boy, Ralph!  ;D  Congrats on the 100th karma point!  :o  For guys like myself and Dballa, we're just happy to be out of single digits.  ;)   I can't imagine all the insightful, proactive, edifying posts you had to deliver in order to pass this milestone!  Way to go Sir Turner!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 20, 2006, 01:24:01 pm
Given the brackets, and assuming the West to be stronger than the East, this year's tournament could be a repeat of last year's -- all the East teams except MC get eliminated in the first round, then McM and HSU have a final showdown, and then the winner of that plays the winner of MC-HPU, probably HPU.  Déja vu! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 20, 2006, 03:32:21 pm
Given the brackets, and assuming the West to be stronger than the East, this year's tournament could be a repeat of last year's -- all the East teams except MC get eliminated in the first round, then McM and HSU have a final showdown, and then the winner of that plays the winner of MC-HPU, probably HPU.  Déja vu! 

i will say it again.

the EAST will not be playing on DAY 2 of the tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 20, 2006, 03:46:24 pm
the EAST will not be playing on DAY 2 of the tourney.

That is virtually a certainty.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 20, 2006, 03:50:56 pm
Well UMHB better play MC like they did HSU and McM at home or else they'll be out of it.  UMHB has only won 3 games on the road and that was at CUA, TLU and SRSU...they didn't even beat SU in Kerrville.  I wouldn't say it's a lock that they are in the 2nd round.  They will have their hands full even with an MC team that hasn't been playing well.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 20, 2006, 04:18:31 pm
I believe I was mistaken in my read of the previous posts.  I meant to say it is virtually a certainly that MC will not be playing for the conference championship.  I agree, UMHB has their hands full.  I misread.  :'(
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 20, 2006, 05:27:43 pm
I guess we've got all week to speculate, but it looks to me that HPU has the easiest bracket of the tournament.  McM-HSU is a great rivalry, and if they meet on Saturday as I think, whichever team wins will probably be too exhausted on Sunday to provide much resistance to HPU, which will thus win the tournament again just like they did last year.  Time will tell...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 20, 2006, 05:51:29 pm
I could postulate numerous theories about  the difficulty of winning in Clinton.

--The Mississippi Mud theory...
--A different requirement for certification courses for officiating basketball in Mississippi...
--Road Weariness...
--the Bayou Voodoo theory.

Don't write the Lady Chocs off too quickly.

Oh, and thanks Paint! ;)

We have a really great group of posters here in the ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 20, 2006, 06:38:20 pm
I beg to differ, McM fan...MC is tough to beat at home, limping or not. HPU chemistry a little off with the question of their point guard's injury, HSU struggling a little without their point guard, but this is the tournament. Emotions run high for everyone. UMHB is playing well, but McM is still playing well. They may not be blowing people out,but still winning. I think they will be ready this weekend. They will have tough practices, and will be ready to avenge last year's tourney and their two losses this past couple of weeks. I think it will be HPU and McM in the finals, with a different outcome from last year.  If they stay injury free, they will keep plenty of emotion to finish this tourney on top.  And Ralph has good points about MC, it should be plenty exciting. Go Lady Indians........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 20, 2006, 08:07:31 pm
MC has its work cut out playing MHB.  With tournament play it is always one game at a time and on any given night.  To go further MC will have to will it all though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 21, 2006, 03:40:51 pm
Hey Ralph,

You left out he wind currents in the Golden Dome...2 years ago that was the problem..
i am not sure about the Mississippi mud...Clinton is on the high side of the Miss River..
Road weariness...there is only 1 team that does not have a long way to come...just like we do every other year.
But, the Bayou Voodoo...wrong state... in Miss it is not a bayou...it is a creek...bayous are in Louisiana

i agree about the refs...they are bad no matter what side you are on

Well what ever it takes, mud, voodoo,or  wind currents...Mississippi College will need all of these things to line up for them this weekend.

Ya'll be careful and drive safe coming through Louisiana
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 21, 2006, 04:47:21 pm
Hey Ralph,

You left out he wind currents in the Golden Dome...2 years ago that was the problem..

Oh I forgot about the wind currents!   :o

i am not sure about the Mississippi mud...Clinton is on the high side of the Miss River..

But the mud is readily available for use by the locals.  :)

Road weariness...there is only 1 team that does not have a long way to come...just like we do every other year.

You use it to your advantage whenever you can!  ;)

But, the Bayou Voodoo...wrong state... in Miss it is not a bayou...it is a creek...bayous are in Louisiana    ***

"It's the voodoo that you do"  a Rod Stewart cover for those really romantic nights with the lovely bride,  :-*  but I digress! :-[

i agree about the refs...they are bad no matter what side you are on

::)

Well what ever it takes, mud, voodoo,or  wind currents...Mississippi College will need all of these things to line up for them this weekend.   :-X

***Ya'll be careful and drive safe coming through Louisiana...


Travel safely, all!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 21, 2006, 05:43:41 pm
Does anyone know what time the selection show is on Monday, and if it is on any networks?  I am guessing Mr. Coleman would be of some help. Thanks
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2006, 06:55:37 pm
There is no selection show. The selections are issued via press release early Monday morning and posted on D3hoops.com.

We'll have a Hoopsville show that night to discuss them but that is it, there is no recorded reading of selections this season. The NCAA has discontinued it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 21, 2006, 10:10:38 pm
My thinking about the tournament (for what it's worth) is that HPU has an easy bracket and has won their last 11 games.  MC seems to be struggling, and was beaten in the Golden Dome a week ago by the last place team in the East (LC).  I'm assuming McM and HSU will win their first two games and then exhaust themselves playing each other.  Maybe the same thing will happen if HPU and MC play each other.  Of course, the various reported injuries are the wild card in all this, in addition to the Mississippi mud!
I would love to see a McM-MC shootout on Sunday, but that could be a long shot.  Tomorrow morning at 6:30 (argh) I will be at the bus to help see off the Lady Indians as they leave for Clinton...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 22, 2006, 08:49:59 am
Are any of ya'll  coming to Clinton and for which games?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 22, 2006, 11:31:06 am
The Lady Indians' bus pulled off from campus at 7:00 AM this morning, so they are on their way!  The word, by the way, is that McM will broadcast both the men's and women's tournament games, with the broadcast team being split so that Kimbrell does one and Rawlings the other.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 22, 2006, 08:04:52 pm
millie, I will be in Mississippi.  I am not sure if I will leave Thursday night to catch Friday's game or if I will leave on Friday after the first game, to catch the rest of the tourney. My travel plans are still up in the air. All my crew will be a various events all over the state but we all hope to converge in Mississippi on Sunday for the finals, with the McM lady indians and whoever their opponent might be.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 22, 2006, 10:01:03 pm
fanstand,
Make a lot of noise at the games, so those of us listening on the radio can hear you!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 23, 2006, 12:17:55 pm
fanstand...
what do you do that you have a crew at events all over the state...radio????
hope to see you at the games
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2006, 04:20:32 pm
What we need is an All-ASC Mom's team! :D

I nominate fanstand!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 23, 2006, 04:45:29 pm
I second that nomination and add Millie to the list of nominees! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 23, 2006, 07:17:24 pm
Aw thanks, guys!!!Heading out the door to Mississippi, playing hookey from work again this week. I have an official, and two coaches in this house, and when I took my job at work 4 years ago, I told them they hired me knowing that I was a sports FANatic and my family's games came first.
They said OK and it's worked great ever since.  I am a lucky duck. Gotta run............
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 23, 2006, 07:33:19 pm
Fanstand,  good luck and help McMurry University L I B bring home the victory!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 23, 2006, 07:42:49 pm
Aw thanks, guys!!!Heading out the door to Mississippi, playing hookey from work again this week. I have an official, and two coaches in this house, and when I took my job at work 4 years ago, I told them they hired me knowing that I was a sports FANatic and my family's games came first.
They said OK and it's worked great ever since.  I am a lucky duck. Gotta run............

Fanstand, may you miss work the next four weekends! :) ;) :D ;D 8)

Go L.I.B.!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 23, 2006, 09:37:25 pm
Two takes of gasoline - $85.00

Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner at McDonalds - $12.75

One "We're Number One" Foam Hand - $6.00

Ticket - $6.00

Watching the ASC Women's Conference Tournament in Person - PRICELESS!

Keep us posted with all the action and results!  Go Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 24, 2006, 09:46:00 am
paint...thanks for the nomination...sure hope there is no actual playing involved...the old knees are not what they use to be.

fanstand, you take off work for any game that you can because when they finish it is bad...to say this has been a tough year for my hubby and me is an understatement.  and hey you can always work next week...i did.  wwe  are still trying to fill the hole that bball (and our kids) has left.
now i guess we are waiting(a few years we hope)for grandkids or or until my oldest can get her masters and become a coach.

good luck to all and be careful
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 01:12:09 pm
Media Timeout McM and AC tied at 8 with about  14:40 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 01:26:25 pm
McM 16 AC 14 9:35 left.

Engelke has been on the bench with 2 fouls since 13 minutes left.

Richardson has 7 points.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 01:31:26 pm
McM--Allison Nelson, off the bench gets a 3Fg and Tuttle gets a steal and layup.  McM 21-17 with 5:35 left.

McM only 34.5% on FG; AC 44%
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 01:33:11 pm
McM--Maigen Sawyer a steal and a layup. McM 25-19.
AC--FT 1&1.  3:35 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 01:42:21 pm
McM has stepped up the defense and push the lead.

Halftime--McM 37-22.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 01:56:31 pm
McM Richardson 11 pts, Sawyer 11 pts; Allison Nelson two 3FG's off the bench; also Amber Horton got a steal and layup to start the big 15-3 run.

McM FG 15-32; 3FG 5-14; FT 2-5  :P

AC Laskey and Bauer 4 each.  AC has out-rebounded McM 21-15, but McM has 5 steals!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2006, 02:01:11 pm
Keep it up, Ladies!  -- Got to go teach a class!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 02:36:47 pm
Keep it up, Ladies!  -- Got to go teach a class!!

No sacrifice is too great for L.I.B.!

McM has led by 24 late in the game.  McMurry younger players are in.

McM still ahead by 13.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 24, 2006, 02:39:00 pm
how much time is left?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 02:43:06 pm
Final McM 64, AC 49!

TIAA Charter member AC is off to the SCAC where they trade McM, HSU, HPU and MC for Trinity, Oglethorpe, Hendrix and DePauw.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 24, 2006, 02:49:05 pm
Congratulations Lady Indians!  I think with that win they have now virtually locked themselves into a bid for the big dance.  No guarantees, but with at least a semi-final trip, and that record it would be difficult for the NCAA to overlook them!

We're proud of you ladies back here in Abilene!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 24, 2006, 02:54:54 pm
who's next...i dont have my brackets

ccongrats to everyone
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 24, 2006, 03:04:05 pm
HSU plays ETBU...The winner will play the Lady Indians tomorrow at 1:00 Central.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2006, 03:21:29 pm
Congratulations, Lady Indians!  ...But I wouldn't expect to get into the post-season unless you also win tomorrow.  HSU won the West last year and was 19-3 overall; they won their first tournament game, but by losing the second round (to McM) they lost out on a post-season bid.  You've got to make it to Sunday if you want any more games after Sunday!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2006, 03:44:29 pm
Congratulations, Lady Indians!  ...But I wouldn't expect to get into the post-season unless you also win tomorrow.  HSU won the West last year and was 19-3 overall; they won their first tournament game, but by losing the second round (to McM) they lost out on a post-season bid.  You've got to make it to Sunday if you want any more games after Sunday!!

There are a lot more Pool C bids available this year.  But more W's mean better seeds in any case. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 24, 2006, 04:55:55 pm
Any updates on the HSU game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on February 24, 2006, 05:00:05 pm
Final Score ETBU 83  HSU 80
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 24, 2006, 05:04:24 pm
That will probably kill HSU chances of a at-large bid
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 24, 2006, 05:21:41 pm
Tough loss for HSU. :'(

Great win for ETBU. :)

Both teams played well...very "back and forth" game thoughout.

Sorry, Cowgirls...but you had a good season...and your fans know you'll be back next year! 8)  WE LOVE YOU!!!

Thanks for the games..."do good in school"...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 24, 2006, 05:34:29 pm
I disagree with an earlier post...With McM's record and with a trip to the semi's guaranteed I think they're in no-matter what...Don't forget the field has been widely expanded this year...A lot more teams will get in...With their constant high rankings, I feel they'll probably be selected no matter what.

Hopefully that won't matter...If they win tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2006, 06:47:13 pm
"Hopefully that won't matter...If they win tomorrow."
I second that -- better safe than sorry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 07:52:33 pm
UMHB is beating Miss Coll by 6 with 7 minutes left.

I reviewed the HSU-ETBU box score.  PG Sarah Hauk did not play this one either.  She might be considered the HSU MVP.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 08:16:30 pm
Final  UMHB 83, MissColl 74.

HPU  and UOzarks to follow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: rimrocker on February 24, 2006, 10:40:02 pm
HPU over Ozarks 77-58...both women and men HPU v. UMHB tomorrow.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 24, 2006, 10:58:42 pm
So the pattern seems to be that the teams with the injuries got in trouble.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 24, 2006, 11:10:51 pm
HPU did fine without their starting point guard Molly Buker.  They plugged in Jenny Janda in and she scored 11 pts with a couple steals. 

Congrats to the Lady Jackets!!! keep on rollin.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 24, 2006, 11:40:38 pm
My hat goes off to UMHB.  They played an awesome game.  They hustled up and down the court, offensively and defensively, they wanted the win.  UMHB took advantage of every lax MC moment, from back door cuts to wide open 3's.  MC had the athletic ability they just didn't seem to have the desire.  I don't know the record between HPU and UMHB but judging by tonight it will be a game to see.

Congrats to ETBU.  As with UMHB won/loss records don't always tell the tale.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 25, 2006, 11:19:11 am
Incredible job, UMHB!  What an amazing day Friday was for the West - with the notable exception of my beloved Cowgirls!  Well, hit the weights, hit the books, and start preparing for next year! 

For McM, HPU, UMHB and ETB, whoever ends up crowned champs has my complete support!  A Final Four appearance is what I'm believing for!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 01:21:25 pm
...
For McM, HPU, UMHB and ETB, whoever ends up crowned champs has my complete support!  A Final Four appearance is what I'm believing for!

Paint, you are so right!  It is time for another school to pick up the slack!

I don't want the national observers thinking that the ASC is a one-trick pony!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 02:24:21 pm
McM 29 ETBU 22; 6:00 in the first half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 02:37:51 pm
McM 41 ETBU 39 at the half.

Very fast paced game and it sounds like the refs are allowing lots of contact.

The McM announcer is identifying contact among the players, especially ETBU, which the refs are not calling as fouls.

ETBU Sade Stewart is in double figures as are Richardson and Sawyer for McM.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 02:58:07 pm
McM 50 ETBU 48:  14:38 left. 

McM--Richardson at the FT line shooting 2.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 03:15:28 pm
McM 59 ETBU 55; 8:39 left.

McM--Richardson FG  61-55.
ETBU--Richardson gets the turnover.
McM--Sheppard rebs.
ETBU--7:20; Vallo FG; 61-57.
McM--Nelson rebs; Richardson is fouled by Stewart her 1st.  FT 1-2. 6:40; 62-57.
ETBU--Richardson rebs
McM--Sawyer 3FG.  65-57 her 6th of the game.
ETBU--Tuttle rebs.
McM--oob on the rebound.  65-57.
ETBU--Vallo fouls Engelke, aggressive foul by Vallo
McM--5:20  Slaughter rebs.
ETBU--Engelke rebs.
McM--Horton 3 sec violation.

Media Time--4:45; McM 65-57.  ETBU ball.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 03:23:20 pm
........

McM 67-61.  Richardson Fg. McM 69-61 under 3:00
ETBU--Richardson rebs.
McM--Horton travels.
ETBU--2:30; Stewart is fouled by Horton, her 3rd, no fts;
ETBU--Stewart tries a 3fg and knocked oob.
ETBU--Stewart misses 2 richardson rebs, bad pass and Tuttle fouls Slaughter.  FT  2-2; 69-63 1:50
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 03:27:38 pm
McM--Horton charges, her 4th
ETBU--FG 69-65.
McM--0:46 Sheppard bumps Tuttle 1&1 FT good and good.  McM 71-65
ETBU--Slaughter FG
McM--Stewart fouls Horton.  0:36; FT  good and good. McM 73-67.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 03:31:31 pm
McM 75 ETBU 67.

A very tough game!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 25, 2006, 03:39:39 pm
I know what you mean, Ralph!

You can thank HSU for "softening up" ETBU for McM!!! :D  The game yesterday was tough also...and I don't think HSU expected that much from ETBU...after beating them over a hundred to 50-something last year.  It was only HSU's second loss in HISTORY of the ASC tournament.

HSU was ahead of ETBU 47-44 with two seconds in the half left and ETBU launched a 3 pointer from way beyond the arc, made it and tied the game at halftime.  (The three points turned out to be the winning margin.)  HSU led by as many as 9 in the second half, but ETBU kept coming back and eventually won...83-80...as you know.

Congrats to McM...now no less than ASC runner-up  and into the playoffs...maybe a chance to play Trinity...it is always fun to beat Trinity!!!

Good luck in the game tomorrow!  I hope the ASC Champion...and Runner-up...do well in the Big Dance!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 03:49:23 pm
Stats:

ETBU--Sheppard 12, Stewart 21, Slaughter 14;

FG 27-69 39%; 3FG 3-15 20%; FT 10-13 77%;
Rebs tied at 40; Turnovers 7 Steals 2

McM--Richardson 29 pts, Sawyer six  3FG's 18;  Engleke 8; Venekamp 8; FT 12-19; FG 27-66; 3FG 9-26. Rebs 40 (10 off + 30 def)

Ties school record for 3 FGs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 25, 2006, 05:45:17 pm
Who's winning the next game...updates?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: intern on February 25, 2006, 05:55:40 pm
UMHB 70
HPU 67

HPU gets a rebound with 2 second left, double dribbles and doesn't get a shot off.

Daniels scored 39 points for HPU
Wurzbach 21 and Barnes 20 for UMHB


MCM vs UMHB round 3 tomorrow

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 25, 2006, 05:59:09 pm
OK then, does HPU get in or not....Wow it looked so bright for the ASC for awhile...who knows now.  If McM loses, then I say McM would be the only at-large bid.  But if McM wins, then maybe HPU gets an at-large bid.  Or am I way off in my thinking???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: finnman on February 25, 2006, 06:09:34 pm
Then when you look at the regional records, how does not both McM and HPU get in no matter what.  The problem I guess is that almost all of those wins are against the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 25, 2006, 06:47:47 pm
Congrats to UMHB.  If my team gets beat out I want it to be by the team which becomes conference champ.  DSC you may have a point that if ETBU hadn't had to beat HSU first then they would be in the championship game.  So congrats to ETBU for excellent tournament play.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 25, 2006, 08:23:41 pm
Congrats to McM...now no less than ASC runner-up  and into the playoffs...maybe a chance to play Trinity...it is always fun to beat Trinity!!!

Doubt Trinity will beat DePauw tomorrow, and that's the only way they get in ...

but 20-7 for a team with a coach who had never coached in the collegiate ranks before this year, and who had only one senior on the team (Jennfer Ferrar) is nothing to sneeze at.  We'll be back. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 25, 2006, 10:15:43 pm
Congratulations, Lady Indians!  We caught the first part of the game on the radio while driving to Brownwood for the men's game, but then the road paralleled a line of power poles and the interference wrecked the reception.  They announced the victory at the Mausoleum.  Now, one more to go: beating UMHB a week ago means nothing, for they are now on a roll.  Go Tribe!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 25, 2006, 10:46:21 pm
If anyone had predicted at the beginning of the season that it would be McM and UMHB in the conference finals most of us would not have been buying it!  However, UMHB has demonstrated that they are for real.  McM has got to be the favorite but they also have to be looking at tomorrow with their eyes wide open! 

Wow, wish I could be there!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2006, 10:54:29 pm
http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/media0506/51026womenbasketball-preseasonpoll.htm

Well, the pre-season poll suggested that it was mathematically possible. ;)

And UT-Tyler and MissColl were co-champs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 12:24:43 am
I'm tempted to call McM the underdog tomorrow, at least in terms of motivation.  From what has been said here, it appears that they would have a chance of an at-large bid to the playoffs even if they lost.  But would a #4 seed with no national ranking get a bid if they lost tomorrow?  Last year, McM was #3 and lost the final game and that was it.  I'm sure every UMHB player knows the only way to make sure of a playoff spot is to win.  They also know that, though they lost their two season games to McM, they were both by small margins.  The Lady Indians have to play their best of the tournament to take the win tomorrow, or they'll go the way of HPU today.  Do it, Ladies!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 26, 2006, 12:48:42 am
Well, the pre-season poll suggested that it was mathematically possible. ;)

I just read my post again and it sounds much more harsh than I meant it to.  I meant that in the preseason most were looking ahead to a matchup between McM, HPU or HSU in the west or someone out of the east.  Most were not thinking UMHB in the finals. 

As I have posted recently, whoever wins - McM or UMHB - take us to the Final Four!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 12:50:26 am
I can give some motivation.

The women's tourney matches the South and West Regions for the Sectionals in 2006.

Right now, McM is #2 in the South and has a QOWI better than any West Region Team.

Not trying to count chickens but...

if Randolph Macon were to be upset in the first 2 rounds, then it looks like McMurry would have a chance to host the Sectionals in 2 weeks.

I also believe that McMurry needs to win to earn a first round host.  If McMurry were to lose and Trinity were to defeat DePauw tomorrow ( they lost at DePauw by 60-57 in the regular season) then they (TU)  might host the first round.  Trinity has an early win over UMHB as a tie-breaker.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 12:56:51 am
Well, the pre-season poll suggested that it was mathematically possible. ;)

I just read my post again and it sounds much more harsh than I meant it to.  I meant that in the preseason most were looking ahead to a matchup between McM, HPU or HSU in the west or someone out of the east.  Most were not thinking UMHB in the finals. 

As I have posted recently, whoever wins - McM or UMHB - take us to the Final Four!

Paint, Lisa Martinez was pre-season ASC-West POTY.  I thought that was a key factor.  When UMHB got their chemsitry re-modulated after Lisa's departure, they began to play very well. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 26, 2006, 01:55:38 am
McMurry L. I. B. is in a position to take another step forward with a victory in the championship game.  It would appear the team has yet to play a "complete" game in the past two contests.  Tara Richardson has been the "go to" player as is expected and has carried a load.  So, we can expect her to receive even more attention in the next game.  Some effective outside shooting and dish offs to Englekey and Venecamp in the lane could lessen the pressure on Tara allowing her one on one coverage.  Should Tara have one on one coverage, she could get on a "roll" and would be hard to contain.  This championship game could be one in which all the minutes played by the other players could be of importance.  Coaches Nichols and Densmen have played a number of players 10 minutes per game.  McMurry depth could be a factor.

Ralph, I had no idea McMurry might host the sectionals.  Would that not be sweet.  First things first.  Lets take care of the game at hand.

ALACUMBA
 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 26, 2006, 02:11:26 am
Hello from Mississippi! It's been a pretty good tournament so far, all of you not here, you have missed some exciting basketball.  I have managed to see almost all of every game. There have been surprises, but this has been a year of surprises to some.  I saw teams dig deep and play with lots of heart. I've seen some good coaching and some excellent players making excellent plays. When it comes to the tourney everything changes, everyone starts even, what happened before doesn't matter. You cannot depend on how bad you beat a team 2 and a half months ago. The emotions and level of play are different now.  I believe L.I.B. is ready and they have lots of talent, I believe they will win tomorrow, but UMHB will be tough. Good Luck ladies..............
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 07:47:46 am
Another reason why McM has to be thinking like underdogs: the fans.  While theoretically it will be a neutral venue with MC out of the running, my guess is that what MC fans show up to watch will be rooting for UMHB -- since everybody loves an upset.   And the Ladies have to spread the points around more: if Tarra is double teamed, someone else on the outside has to step up!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 26, 2006, 08:26:17 am
[Lisa Martinez was pre-season ASC-West POTY.  I thought that was a key factor.  When UMHB got their chemsitry re-modulated after Lisa's departure, they began to play very well. :)

Excellent point, Ralph!  This UMHB team seems to be playing like last year's team as they ended the season strong, a real contenter for last year's conference title/tournament. 

Is UMHB's greatest strength their coaching staff?  To bring back a team from like we've seen this season is no small feat!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 10:45:01 am
During the regular season, both McM and HPU beat UMHB twice.  HPU beat them by a combined total of 39 points, but McM's combined total was only 16 points.  Going by the point spreads, if HPU lost yesterday, McM should be toast today.  Again, the Lady Indians can take nothing for granted against this surging UMHB team!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 26, 2006, 12:09:57 pm
TOAST? I really hope you are kidding McM fan, you got on purple today? Yesterday Tarra was tripled team at times and still managed to score 29 points. Yes, UMHB is playing inspired, but we will too today, If we have 1/2 of an L.I.B. game we will come out on top. We are not as drained and we are ready. HPU had 2 assists in their game yesterday and panicked when they were down. Trust me on this. Were ready
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 02:59:56 pm
fanstand,
All I'm saying is that we're playing a 4th-seed team that's not looking like a 4th seed: in the last week or so they have beaten three suppsedly "better" teams, HSU in the regular season and  now MC and HPU in the playoffs.  I sort of expected MC might be in trouble, but I don't think anyone expected the HPU loss yesterday.  We've got to take these guys seriously if we expect to beat them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 03:48:25 pm
McM 30 UMHB 26 at the half. 

Sawyer 10 points, Richardson 13 pts.

McM hit 8-15 FG's to start and had an 18-5 lead.  UMHB started playing very physically and very aggressively and pulled ahead 26-25.  Maigen Sawyer hit a 3FG before the buzzer to bring the lead back to four.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 26, 2006, 04:15:11 pm
Score?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 04:18:05 pm
McM 46
UMHB 33
with 12:16 to go in the game
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: intern on February 26, 2006, 04:20:28 pm
http://www.mc.edu/athletics/livestats/xlive.htm

live stats

http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/athleticstwo.htm

radio broadcast


51-38 11:30 ish
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: intern on February 26, 2006, 04:21:12 pm
sorry type-o 53-33 mcm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 04:21:22 pm
A quick McM run... it's now McM 53, UMHB 33!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 04:26:25 pm
McM 59, UMHB 41, around 9 minutes left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 04:30:34 pm
McM 63, UMHB 51, 5:40 minutes to go

UMHB is catching up with 3 pointers
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 04:35:24 pm
7 point game! 4 minutes to go
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 04:42:39 pm
Maigen Sawyer hits 2 Ft's!

2:05 left.

Steal by McM.

67-59.  Daniels holds Richardson.  Tarra misses the front end.
UMHB--1:23 Engelke fouls Heitmiller 1:18 Richardson rebounds the 2nd.  67-60
McM--Hicks blocks
UMHB--Sawyer fouls UMHB. Hicks 0:44; miss the first. McM 67-60.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 04:44:35 pm
UMHB--Hicks hits the second FT. 67-61.
McM--0:35.  Blair Heitmiller fouls double bonus. Horton FT 1-2. 68-61
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 04:46:16 pm
McM--Englke gets the rebound and is fouled. 0:24.  FT 2-2. McM 70-61
UMHB--Heitmiller fouled by Engelke who fouls out. 0:14.9
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: intern on February 26, 2006, 04:49:14 pm
McMurry ASC Champs!!!

72-61
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 04:49:42 pm
UMHB--Hicks FT 0-2; Richardson rebs. 0:11 left
McM--Horton  FT 2-2 ; McM 72-61.  Horton is 5-6 from the line.
UMHB-- OOB 0:02
McM--Tuttle dribbles!

L.I.B. ASC 2006 Champions
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 26, 2006, 04:51:01 pm
fanstand said earlier:
"Trust me on this. Were ready."
fanstand, I'll trust you forever!!!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 26, 2006, 04:52:04 pm
Lady Indians,
     From the bottom of our hearts.  Thank you!  It's been a brilliant season...A brilliant tournament.  And now a championship!  From all the Maroon out there:  Thank You!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 26, 2006, 04:57:01 pm
fanstand said earlier:
"Trust me on this. Were ready."
fanstand, I'll trust you forever!!!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

The balloting is in!

Fanstand is the unanimous selection for All ASC-West Mom of the Year! :)

Millie carries the honors on the East! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on February 26, 2006, 05:13:05 pm
What a game!!!   What a set of games!!!   There is no quit in the hearts of the UMHB Lady Cru.  UMHB should be selected to play in the NCAAs with MCM L. I. B. who gets the automatic bid.

Next thing to do is wait for the NCAA to announce the brackett on Monday morning.

Both teams who played today are worthy of praise.  My maroon heart is full of joy for McMURRY L. I. B. 



 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 26, 2006, 06:14:14 pm
What a game!!!   What a set of games!!!   There is no quit in the hearts of the UMHB Lady Cru.  UMHB should be selected to play in the NCAAs with MCM L. I. B. who gets the automatic bid. 

Nothing would make the ASC faithful happier than to see two teams advance beyond the conference tournament!  I, for one, am looking into the coming weeks with confidence in the Lady Indians.  Congratulations on capping off your wonderful year with the conference victory!  Today, and for the rest of this season, my blood is running MAROON!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 26, 2006, 06:32:39 pm
Pat has projected both McM and HPU will get bids. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on February 26, 2006, 10:43:56 pm
Wow 3 teams get in from the conference, glad the Lady Jackets made it in. Suprised the Cowgirls got in but I hope MCM, HSU and HPU go deep in the playoffs.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 26, 2006, 10:56:20 pm
Congrats to the ASC for getting three teams in! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 26, 2006, 10:57:02 pm
Wow!  I thought I was reading last years selections...or something. 

HSU  COWGIRLS  ARE  IN!!!  Amazing.   Congratulations to the Cowgirls and HPU and McM!!!

I just know they'll all be paired up against each other right off the bat...you know the $$$ thing!  It will be like a "ASC-
West" tournament all over again. :)

I forgot to look to see if Trinity is in also...I think so.  Regardless of who wins...and the games will be good experience...I also hope the winners can go DEEP!!!

Unbelieveable!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 26, 2006, 11:30:04 pm
OK, now I am really confused.  UMHB takes the win over two teams, HSU and HPU, and the losers advance in the national tournament while the winner goes home?  ???

I am a Cowgirls fan.  I am thrilled, if I am reading things correctly, that they are still playing.  HOWEVER, they and the Jackets lost.  HSU was one-and-done but they still advance?  I'm wondering way!  I'm thankful for the opportunity they have to continue to play, but I am really wondering how they get the nod while the team that best them twice in the last week or so goes home!  ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 26, 2006, 11:37:49 pm
You have to look at the whole year can't just look at a 3 day tournament.  HPU swept UMHB in the regular season and was ranked 3rd in the South Region as well as having their QOWI higher than UMHB.  UMHB lost too many games at the beginning of the season. 

It was weird seeing HSU get in though after they lost 3 of their last 4 games but hopefully they'll be kind and spread out all 3 ASC teams and let them see how far they can go.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 26, 2006, 11:42:05 pm
Dballa, I share you perspective on HSU.  Again, I am a Cowgirls fan and I'm thrilled for the team that they get to advance.  I don't think they had the season that justifies a place in the tournament, especially given the fact that UMHB beat them in the last week of the regular season and then ETBU beat them in the first round of the tournament.  HPU has had weeks in which they seemed to play brilliantly and weeks in which they seemed to fall apart. 

I'm glad the ASC has the added representation.  I just think UMHB should have been placed ahead of HSU.  That pains me to write such a thing as I will be a diehard Cowgirls fan for a long, long time.   The Cru got the short end of this stick.

(I made a correction to this post.  It was brought to my attention, rightfully, that HSU only lost once to UMHB.  I had the mistaken idea that it was UMHB that beat HSU in the first round in Clinton, but I now remember that it was ETBU!  I appreciate the fact that nobody jumped all over me like a dog on a bone!  ;D ;D ;D)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 26, 2006, 11:56:57 pm
Well it kind of makes you wonder.  If UMHB had beaten McM today, what would have happened.  Could we have placed 4 teams in the tournament?  I don't know how close HSU or HPU were to being at the bottom of the list but that very well could have gotten us 4 teams in. 

You are right UMHB has been playing the best basketball lately aside from McMurry and if it was one of those Division I "what have you done for me lately" things they probably could have squeezed their way in.

Martinez and Wurzbek leaving at the beginning of the season hurt their chances of having a really great overall season.  When Wurzbek(pardon me if i misspelled her name)  came back they won a lot of games.  It was just too late for them to jump up in any kind of ranking.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 27, 2006, 12:35:52 am
I agree with the previous postings.  It is quite remarkable how HSU got in...but like Paint says...we diehard fans will take it.

I think it was the 20-5 record...a little "name recognition"....and a whole lot of luck!  Pat didn't have HSU in his projection...although they were on the "bubble."

Or, could it be that they needed a 4th team to round out the pairings for a "Texas tournament?"  As has been stated, don't get me wrong either, I'm happy for HSU...and the season does count, but the tournaments at year's end show how a team is playing when it should count.  (And HSU did not do well the last two weeks!)  Let's regroup, Cowgirls!!! :-*

The pairings should be interesting and McM should get some home games...look at the money the NCAA will save.

At any rate, I'm happy that THREE ASC teams are in...and the games are going to be great!  Good luck to all...and may the survivor do well in representing our conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 27, 2006, 03:59:05 am
TOLD YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Boy am I glad to be home. It was awesome!!Was a little surprised at the tourney picks, but you gotta play whoever they pick for you, so bring it on. UMHB had a heck of a tournament but they were drained. It was a very fun game though. The fans were into it, the officials only really made a couple of oops, (gotta ride "em" anyway) MC was very cordial and made us feel welcome, and if you hadn't heard WE WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2006, 08:59:43 am
if I read that right McMurry is hosting HSU in the first round and HPU/Trinity are playing at McMurry the first round.  Nothing like weeding out the Texas teams early on huh.  Gotta love the tight wad committee.  It's no wonder we can't have teams go deep.

GO LADY JACKETS!!! you won in Abilene earlier this year time to win again.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 27, 2006, 09:07:00 am
Yep!!!

Just as I thought, although I would like to have seen a split in the pairings to allow two of the Texas teams to go "East" or "West"...I didn't think it would happen.  It'll cost about 10 dollars for HSU to travel to McM!  >:(

You are right Dballa...only one team will get out of Texas!

But, it'll be another great week of ASC basketball! :D

Good luck to all...stay healthy!  Regardless of who wins, I'll be satisfied that the best will go on to the next round.  Teams should know each other pretty well by now!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on February 27, 2006, 09:48:40 am
Hey!  Where are all the posters? ???

I thought sure there would be a dozen postings by now!


---retired guy--- ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 27, 2006, 11:00:39 am
You play who they pick.....Now that we are the ASC Champions we will go out and play like one. Work hard this week ladies, don't be worried, YOU are the champions, we will be ready at our house so bring it on, we ain't skeered!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 27, 2006, 11:04:21 am
Two thoughts:

First of all, it's wonderful that the ASC got enough respect to get not two, but three teams into the national tournament.

But succeeding to further impress the NCAA will be almost impossible...By the weekend only ONE of the three could possibly be alive.

Again, wonderful news.  I was so happy to see HSU and HPU make it in, but it's unfortunate that all three teams were lumped in the same sectional.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2006, 11:06:01 am
Official Disclaimer - Inthepaint is a diehard ASC fan and especially of the HSU Cowgirls.  8)

I understand the danger of advancing only a conference tournament winner in postseason play.  Terrific teams that have the potential of going deep into the playoffs could be left at home because of a single loss in the tournament, and that would be a shame.  A single loss should not always eliminate a team from the postseason so these Pool C bids are good.

As I think this over I still find myself going back to UMHB!  Their weak first half of the season allowed other ASC teams to "pad" their win/loss records.  UMHB did not end the season the way they began it.  They beat HSU and HPU!  Had they earlier in the year had the team that took the floor at the end of the season both HSU and HPU may not have had the rankings they enjoyed through the season.  

Given the way these Texas teams got into the tournament I understand the approach of pairing them all up quickly.  If HSU deserves to be in the tournament then they should have to beat someone who earned their way in and should do so right off the bat.  If HPU deserves to be in the tournament based on standings through the regular season then I understand not making an investment of NCAA funds to ship the team around in order to play teams that earned their way in.  

I am thrilled that we have three ASC teams in postseason play.  Thrilled!  I still think it should have been McM, HPU and UMHB but I love my Cowgirls so I will be thankful they are still playing.  Hopefully the last couple of weeks will be a positive thing and they can bounce back.  Whoever comes through these early pairing has my complete, undivided support and I hope they take the ASC to the Final Four!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 27, 2006, 11:11:26 am
Ditto on that...I may be a LIB fan, but come Saturday night I'll be a fan of the Cowgirls or Lady Jackets if I have to.  First "Go McMurry!"  Second "Go ASC!"
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 27, 2006, 11:12:29 am
P.S.  If you want a copy of the brackets that looks like the DI version go here:

http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball/womens/brackets/printable/2006/DIII
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2006, 11:17:10 am
come Saturday night I'll be a fan of the Cowgirls or Lady Jackets if I have to.  First "Go McMurry!"  Second "Go ASC!"

I could not have said it better myself!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 27, 2006, 11:51:18 am
People were posting all season about how great it would be if we got several ASC teams into the post season.  The NCAA seems to be giving with one hand and taking away with the other, when we get three teams and then have them all play each other so that our effective post-season total is one.  This actually seems like a step back from the "bad" old days when the ASC tournament was only the top four teams rather than eight, but when, in 1999-2000 at least, we got two teams in post-season play (HSU and McM) and they both got to play a few outside teams before they played each other.  What's the fun of the post-season if you're playing the same teams you played in the regular season?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 27, 2006, 12:16:20 pm
paint...i agree with you (can you believe that)...i feel like UMHB should hve made on the outstanding last half of their season...they expolded, on the other hand MC and HSU imploded...congrats to all...UMHB you have my respect
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2006, 12:17:34 pm
Good point, but we're looking for a National Champ here.  The concept is simple - let the best of the best advance.  With each victory a team advances to take on the best from another region of the country.  Ultimately it is the best of the East taking on the best of the West for a national crown.

Taken to the extreme we could have four ASC teams playing in the tournament, one in each of the four brackets that make up the national tounament.  That scenario would leave us with the possibility of an all-ASC final four.  That, as we all know, would be ridiculous.  

No, this structure makes sense.  The "best" four teams (very much open to debate) from this region (Texas) will be playing another tournament from which the "best-of-the-best" (certainly open to debate) will play the following weekend against the best from other regions.

I expect McM to take the weekend tournament but my heart is hoping for a Cowgirl victory!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2006, 12:18:57 pm
mcmfan you're exactly right....plus they always say we need to play more teams in the region that are more competitive but when you only get 1 or 2 games outside of the conference that makes it so difficult to be able to schedule games.  Either we need to be able to play more games or they need to change up this conference and split it into two.  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2006, 12:19:11 pm
paint...i agree with you (can you believe that)...

Well, sure, I can believe that!  All of us in the ASC, East and West, are an "agreeable" bunch!  :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2006, 12:20:55 pm
they need to change up this conference and split it into two.  

That is the answer from where I sit!  Dividing up the conference and allowing for more out-of-conference games is a good scenario!  That makes perfect sense to me!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 27, 2006, 12:25:53 pm
paint...we are such an agreeable bunch because the regular season is over...

and oh yes the NCAA committee really stuck it to the ASC and Texas...that was weak
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on February 27, 2006, 01:05:59 pm
I agree that more non-conference exposure would help the ASC's cause in the NCAA tourney.  You can also look to the NESCAC as an example as to how teams should perform in the regular season to avoid meeting in the NCAAs.  The NESCAC got its top 4 teams in (Bowdoin, Bates, Williams and Wesleyan) and if you look at their regular season results, in addition to winning a lot of non-conference games which I already said would help the ASC, they only lost to each other.  None of those four lost to the other six teams in the conference.  I think the top of the ASC hurts itself with bad losses within the conference.  From an outsider's perspective, as is the NCAA, it's hard to tell if every conference game is just that tough (which you can make an argument for road games) or the top team just choked.  Wasn't there talk of splitting up this conference a couple of years ago?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 27, 2006, 01:08:32 pm
paint...we are such an agreeable bunch because the regular season is over...

and oh yes the NCAA committee really stuck it to the ASC and Texas...that was weak

i guarantee hsu and hpu dont think they got it stuck to 'em.

i dont understand why everyone is questioning the ncaa, but they should both feel very lucky to get another chance to prove themselves.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 27, 2006, 01:18:57 pm
the reason to question the NCAA is because it is just wrong to put 3 teams from the same conference in the same bracket.  you may as well just extend the regular season.. lets just imagine for a second...MCM, HPU, and HSU are the 3 best teams in the nation...when put into the same bracket you lose 2 of those teams in the first round...there are enough teams in the tournament that there is no reason for 3 ACS teams to be playing each other
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 27, 2006, 01:28:39 pm
the reason to question the NCAA is because it is just wrong to put 3 teams from the same conference in the same bracket.  you may as well just extend the regular season.. lets just imagine for a second...MCM, HPU, and HSU are the 3 best teams in the nation...when put into the same bracket you lose 2 of those teams in the first round...there are enough teams in the tournament that there is no reason for 3 ACS teams to be playing each other

if they were, hands down, the 3 best teams in the nation then i can definately see that.

what makes you say these are the 3 best teams in the nation?

beggers cant be choosers.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 27, 2006, 01:39:09 pm
first off i said imagine...that they were the 3 best...having played so few teams outside the conference, you really don't know where the ASC stands with other conferences...this should be a chance for MCM, HSU, and HPU to branch out into the other conferences and see what we are made of, not just play each other like you did last week...if you have won enough to get chosen...then i don't think you are a begger...that is a disservice to the girls on the teams that are going
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2006, 02:06:12 pm
http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/

Conference Awards posted.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2006, 06:00:37 pm
the reason to question the NCAA is because it is just wrong to put 3 teams from the same conference in the same bracket.  you may as well just extend the regular season.. lets just imagine for a second...MCM, HPU, and HSU are the 3 best teams in the nation...when put into the same bracket you lose 2 of those teams in the first round...there are enough teams in the tournament that there is no reason for 3 ACS teams to be playing each other

if they were, hands down, the 3 best teams in the nation then i can definately see that.

what makes you say these are the 3 best teams in the nation?

beggers cant be choosers.



How about a little out-of-the-box thinking.

There were several teams that could have earned at-large bids.

TU and HPU were in.  HSU had had some hard times, but still had enough good criteria to be considered.  McMurry does not have criteria as good as DePauw which got the bye.  Therefore, the NCAA can keep HSU in town.

Think about it.  2200 fans in Kimbrell on Friday night and the winner will draw 2200 fans on Saturday night.

"Ka-ching!"

Sometimes we complain about geographic proximity, sometimes it may not hurt us. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 27, 2006, 07:05:22 pm
hpu - tu play @ 5:30 pm friday

hsu - mcm play @ 8:00 pm friday

both games are @ mcm

winners will play each other sat. (dont know what time)

should be an excellent tourney.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2006, 08:44:49 pm
Will game tickets need to be secured before the game or can tickets be purchased at game time on location?

I think I know the answer already, thus I will be checking things out from home on my computer, but I would be interested in this tournament play.  Looks to be better than the ASC championship tournament!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: nash on February 27, 2006, 08:51:33 pm
Question?  How many of the other teams in the bracket are playing their conference opponents in the first round.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2006, 09:35:12 pm
Yeah inthepaint that is something that i want to know as well.  I won't be able to make the Friday games due to work but i'm hoping after an HPU victory on Friday i'll be able to make the game on Saturday.  Definitely need to know if tickets need to be bought ahead of time or if they can be bought at the game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on February 27, 2006, 10:23:51 pm
I believe I will be in West Texas Friday and driving through Abilene around tipoff.  Would love to drop in to Indian country and buy a ticket!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 27, 2006, 11:38:46 pm
FYI according to the news and the McMurry website the HPU/TU game starts at 5pm not 5:30pm as stated earlier by another person.  And the HSU/McM game does start at 8pm.

The Saturday 2nd round game starts at 6pm.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: d3fan4life on February 28, 2006, 10:13:20 am
Yeah inthepaint that is something that i want to know as well.  I won't be able to make the Friday games due to work but i'm hoping after an HPU victory on Friday i'll be able to make the game on Saturday.  Definitely need to know if tickets need to be bought ahead of time or if they can be bought at the game.

each team has a limited amount of reserved tickets.

the rest will be for the general public.

if you dont get there early, you wont get a seat.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 28, 2006, 10:16:42 am
Thanks for the information on the tickets.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2006, 03:10:51 pm
daballa mentioned earlier splitting the conference in two to get more outside games.  What about leaving the NCAA altogether?  There are still schools around here like Lubbock Christian or Wayland Baptist who play NAIA; we don't have to belong to the NCAA.  It seems to me the whole thing about saving transport costs is bogus; presumably, we member schools are paying for them with our membership fees, and one of the things our players expect -- and deserve -- is to play outside the conference when they get to the playoff level.  Why should we pay for other schools to play regional institutions while we end up playing each other at home?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on February 28, 2006, 03:18:24 pm
Here's my perspective on that as a member of the media:

At work the other day I made the statement that no Abilene team of a MAJOR sport has EVER won a national championship...Sure McM has some track and golf championships, and ACU has some DII championships in track...But none in a major sport.  Someone piped up, "What about ACU's two Football Championships?"  Another man said, "Doesn't count, NAIA."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2006, 04:10:34 pm
As I understand it, the individual instittuions must bear the expense of playoff transportation in the NAIA.

We, McMurry, have had quite a bit of national playoff expense in the last 6 years.

Baseball to Illinois in 2004
The  golfers twice.
National indoor and outdoor T&F.
Men's basketball in 2000 and 2001.
Women's basketball in 2000, but they were home games!

As for the issue of peer institutions, the Red River Athletic Conference will have these members playing basketball in 2006-07:

Texas Wesleyan, Texas College, Paul Quinn College, Jarvis Christian College, Huston-Tillotson College, Wylie College, Southwestern Assemblies of God, Houston Baptist College, and Bacone University OK.

Wayland Baptist and Lubbock Christian College are the 2 Texas members in the 10-team Sooner AC.

D3 makes sense to me.  Even Trinity complains about always having to travel.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: millie on February 28, 2006, 04:10:51 pm
jungle you are right and if you go NAIA your recruiting just ended...D3 is a great place for your kids who are not big enough, strong enough, and may be don't have quite the talent that D1 or 2 have but still love the game with all of their heart, and the competition is still there and thats what they love.  D3 is also NCAA which is a draw...a D3 championship is still a NCAA championship...a trip to the tourney is still a trip to a NCAA tournament. does NAIA even have a national championship...i've never heard of it but i am sure it does...my daughter played D2 and then D3 and now works in D1...there is just a magic about NCAA even though they do a lot of things wrong.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2006, 04:18:45 pm
ACU has won more Championships than anyone in D2.

We all know the type...if he ain't won a national championship in one of the two official sports, football or spring football, it don't count! ;D :D ;) ::)

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/champs_listing2.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on February 28, 2006, 04:19:29 pm
We were in the NAIA Div II at one time and yes there is a national tournament.  It's played all at the same spot.  The guys were in Nampa, Idaho for a while, not sure if it still is.  I don't remember where the women's tourney was.  The bad thing about that is we were all non-scholarship schools trying to play with teams that had scholarships.  I would rather stay in a Division where all schools are equal in that aspect.  

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2006, 04:56:20 pm
I want to someone, AmyCarlson ASC Media Relations or Kyle Robarts McM SID or someone at MissColl or whomever for the great picture of Tarra Richardson on the front page.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: oldmcmalum on February 28, 2006, 06:22:12 pm
Yes, we do appreciate the photo of Tarra.  She is a shining star!

I have a question: Does anyone know why Tarra did not get the top honor for the ASC?  I have not found any discussion about this, and I was just wondering...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on February 28, 2006, 06:49:01 pm
Oldmcmalum, I wondered that also. I felt Tarra or even Symbri should have had that honor, or at least shared it together. Looking at the ASC web site maybe because both of them were "pitted" against each other in voting it took votes away from them. I'm just guessing, because I don't know how that works. I also know that the votes are cast before the conference tourney, so maybe that had an impact also. I was also a little distressed that only three of our starters were on the list for all conference and felt like Carli and Kaycee had played very solid this year.  But like I said I don't really know how the all-conference voting works. As a team, they are all MVPs to me.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on February 28, 2006, 07:14:29 pm
Anyone ready to make any predictions for this weekend?  I got TU over Howard Payne and McMurry over HSU on Friday.  This will set up the first TU @ McMurry game since the Lady Indians shocked the world and knocked off #1 TU a couple of seasons ago.  I think Trinity has enough posts to at least annoy Tarra Richardson (no one can stop her) and the key will be if Trinity's guards can slow the effectiveness of Tuttle.  Can I pick TU to lose when they've never lost to the ASC in the NCAAs?  That's like picking the Colts to beat the Pats in the playoffs, Indy looks like the have the tools but somehow they can't do it.  So, I'll take the Tigers to move on.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on February 28, 2006, 07:34:07 pm
The last two times HSU and McM met in tournament play, in 2000 in the post season, and last year in the ASC tournament, the team that won was too spent to win the following day's game.  The question this year is whether history will repeat for the third time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: oldmcmalum on February 28, 2006, 09:59:08 pm
Thanks for the help regarding the ASC honors, fanstand.  I did not know the voting took place before the tourney. 

I certainly agree about the contributions of the other teammates.  They are all supreme, but I thought the high scorer usually takes the honors.  Back in the sticks where I am from, during the dark ages, our high school coach gave an award for most assists, not most points! (I might add that he won big time and was national high school coach of the year.) So, Symbri gets lots of applause from me.

To the entire Lady Indians team, you make this old alum mighty proud! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 01, 2006, 07:53:19 pm
On the MVP discussion, Meia is more valuable to her team than Tara. If you take Tara away you still have a team that will compete, not saying HPU wouldn't without Meia, but HPU would definetly be hurting. Just my take.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 01, 2006, 10:55:06 pm
On the MVP discussion, Meia is more valuable to her team than Tara. If you take Tara away you still have a team that will compete, not saying HPU wouldn't without Meia, but HPU would definetly be hurting. Just my take.

Seth, I agree!

As I review my in-game notes, I am reminded by the numerous contributions by everyone this year.  We had depth demonstrate itself competently as never before.

By the end of the season, McMurry has become a very solid 12-13 players lineup.  The younger players have matured very nicely.

Travel safely HPU fans, good luck against one of our favorite foes, TU!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 02, 2006, 03:47:07 pm
Will tickets for Saturday's game be sold earlier and at different locations or will it be first come first serve for that day?  Also how soon will the doors be open to get into the gym on Saturday?

I'm sure a lot of people are wondering how tickets will be handled for that day.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm_sid on March 03, 2006, 12:17:48 am
Buy them at the gate Saturday. Here's the link to the tournament web site that I'll be updating as the tournament goes along. http://www.mcm.edu/athletics/ncaatourney

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 12:22:37 am
Travel safely, all!!! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2006, 02:53:33 am
P.S.  If you want a copy of the brackets that looks like the DI version go here:

http://www.ncaasports.com/ (remainder deleted)

Was there a problem with ours? They were available on the front page at that time of day.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 03, 2006, 09:36:49 am
No last-minute speculation about the matchups this weekend?  I'd think HPU would be looking forward to revenge on TU after TU knocked them out of the playoffs last year in Brownwood, and McM and HSU always love to beat up on each other.  What do the TU fans think about things here?  Are any coming?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2006, 09:51:05 am
I would have made the trip except that I have a concert in Sherman tomorrow and dress rehearsal tonight.  Trinity should have a shot tonight - they are used to travelling, after all - but asking the young team to win in a decidedly hostile environment might be a bit much.  I would have felt better had the women been able to pull of the upset of DePauw.   Both times TU played DPU, they had the game tied down the stretch but could not get that last stop to win. 

Whatever the case, safe travels and safe games to all involved. 

Here is the Abilene Reporter-News (http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_howard_payne_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8788_4510712,00.html) writeup on HPU-Trinity (not much), as well as a story from the Brownwood Bulletin (http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/articles/2006/03/02/sports/sports010.txt). 
Here is the ARN writeup for HSU (http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_hardin_simmons_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8786_4510723,00.html) and another for McMurry (http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/sp_lc_mcmurry_univ/article/0,1874,ABIL_8787_4510721,00.html).

I would provide you the same from the San Antonio Express-News, except for the fact there isn't anything. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 03, 2006, 10:00:45 am
I'm back from Turkey.   I did watch returns but could not post reactions.   The lost to ETBU was ugly,  and no excues,  but I really think the team has not recovered emotionally.  Getting into the tournament really blew my mind.  Last years team was much better and was left home.  Getting was totally from past records.   Tonight,  well MCM has been on a roll,  it is theirs to lose.   The fact that it is at HSU could help the Cowgirls.    To be totally honest as long as Trinity doesn't come out as the best DIII school and I will be satistfied.   
I'm just so happy to be on a keyboard that I understand.  The Turkish keyboard were a real trick to deal with.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 03, 2006, 10:16:21 am
Before anyone gets crazy on me I see that they are playing at MCM,  which makes sense because they have earned it,  even if it is a terrible gym for college level.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on March 03, 2006, 10:59:13 am
Pat,
     There was nothing wrong with your brackets...I thought people would like to have a copy that looks like the one we fill out for the 'office pool' in March.
     I later noticed that you had a link up for them.
     Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 03, 2006, 11:23:11 am
I hate to send people to NCAA$ports.com for anything if I can avoid it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2006, 06:32:26 pm
HPU is broadcasting the game. (http://www.tsrnsports.com/Broadcast/Broad-U-HowardPayne.htm)

30-25 HPU with 4 minutes left in the half.  HPU has 22 FTs already to 6 by Trinity. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2006, 07:39:58 pm
HPU 71 Trinity 53 FINAL!!!!!!!!!

WAY TO GO LADY JACKETS!!! wish i could have been there.  definitely will be there tomorrow.


Moseshightower,  how about that final?? pretty much blows up your prediction for the whole weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 07:48:07 pm
MURVUL Men 44 Trinity Men 26 at the half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 08:03:15 pm
MURVUL 61, Trinity 38; 14:15.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 08:40:59 pm
MURVUL 83, Trinity 64 men; Final.

Announcers wonder if MURVUL's depth was the difference!

The Scots play the winner of Maryville MO vs MissCollege.

Trinity did not have a traditional post player.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 09:16:26 pm
McM jumped to a 7-0 and 9-2 lead.  HSU has had a 14-2 run.

HSU 16-11. 10:37.

McMurry may have only scored 2 points in 9 minutes.

HSU-Singeltary FG. HSU 18-11.
McM-Engleke FG.
HSU--Paetzold reb
McM--Engelke gets her 2nd player control foul, both drawn by Sonya West.  9:23 left.  HSU 18-13.


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 09:25:30 pm
HSU 20-13 7:24
McM--foul on Singletary her first. Butler 1&1- no good. Venekamp rebs
McM--rebs HSU Sawyer misses 3FG.
HSU--rebs Thompson
HSU--traveling.
McM--6:32 game is simialr to the Jan game at Mabee
McM--reb west
HSU--20-13 6:00; reb Sawyer
McM--reb West 5:20
HSU--Richardson blocks Conaway. Richardson rebs
McM--Sawyer misses, HSU rebs
HSU--Thompson FG
McM--4:30 HSU 22-13.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2006, 09:26:59 pm
Ralph the way McMurry started the game it was looking like it would be all Indians in this game.  Amazing how things turned around quickly.  

Is it just me or does it sound exactly like their last game that HSU won?  McMurry just can't hit any shots.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2006, 09:38:10 pm
of course as I wrote that McMurry goes on a 9-0 run the last 6 mins or so and HSU can't score.

Kind of makes you wonder, whoever wins this if they'll have enough energy to play a good game tomorrow against HPU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2006, 09:45:09 pm
Ralph don't know if you're planning on posting it or not but halftime score

HSU 23 McM 22.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 03, 2006, 09:56:44 pm
You guys following the game on the internet feed probably don't realize what it's actually like in Kimbrell right now.  Same as the last game we hosted with HSU: it is totally packed and the cooling system either wasn't turned on in time or can't handle all the bodies.  It is HOT!  Obviously this has to affect the game, and which players get rotated in when, etc.   The gym is divided 50-50 for the McM and HSU fans, and there are no empty spaces on either side.  As I posted earlier, the winner the last two times McM and HSU met in a tournament was too spent to pull off the win in the final game the following day.  HPU appears to have had an easy time of Trinity.  Once they started to increase their lead from the mid-point of the first half, it was all HPU. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2006, 10:07:02 pm
Well at least something is hot in the gym because neither teams shooting percentage is too hot :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:16:08 pm
dballa, I had to run a quick errand.  Thanks for filling in!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:17:35 pm
HSU 41 McM 31 10:00.  McM's Sawyer has not scored.
HSU 44 McM 33 as Sawyer scored! 8:58 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:23:03 pm
McM--really struggling. 7:30 left. 
HSU--getting the turnovers but cannot convert.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:27:25 pm
HSU 46 McM 33 on Singletary's 2 FT's.
McM--numerous airballs. Tough situation for the Lady Indians tonight.  The Lemon out of Lemonade scenario is that they never will let it happen again.

HSU--Singletary turnover.
McM--Richardson FG HSU 46-35. 6:08
HSU--Dennard FG HSU 48-35.
McM--5:38.Tuttle FG 48-37
HSU--Horton steals
McM--Tuttle misses FG, ball out of bounds.

HSU--
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:28:40 pm
HSU--West throws it away.
McM--Tuttle fouled by West who fouls out with 10 points 4:45 left.  HSU 48-37.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:30:31 pm
McM--Tuttle at the line.  FT 2 -2.  HSU 48 McM 39. 4:45.

McM is 1-17 on 3FG's!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:32:12 pm
HSU--Singletary snowbird.
McM--Tuttle layup  50-41
HSU--Dennard FG  52-41
McM--stolen by HSU
HSU--Richardson rebs.
McM--3:28 McM timeout.  HSU 52-41.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:39:30 pm
McM-- 3:28 Engelke FG HSU 52-43.
HSU-- Rebs Tuttle
McM-- Venekamp misses a 3FG. (1-18 on 3FG!)
HSU--Dennard FT 2-2. HSU 54-43.
McM-- Paetzold misses 3FG; Richardson the Fg on the putback. good
McM--steal.  Rachel Singletary fouls Tuttle FT  2-2 54-47.
HSU--2:07  Jones to the line.  FT 2-2. HSU 56 -47.  1:48.
McM--1:45--Venekamp misses 3FG... multiple misses. McM inbounds.  misses.........
HSU-- 1:08
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:41:16 pm
HSU--Finstad fouls Singletary FT 1-2. HSU 57-47.

McM--0:57. rebs HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:44:52 pm
Cisneros misses.
McM--Tuttle layup. good.
HSU--Singletary FT 2-2.  59-49.
McM--Richardson fouled FT  2-2. HSU 59-51 0:30.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 10:48:55 pm
Final  HSU 64, McM 53.

Congratulations, Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 03, 2006, 10:49:16 pm
I am SO proud of the Cowgirls...who would have guessed?

Go Cowgirls...prove you deserve in the playoffs!



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 11:05:44 pm
Stats:

Singletary --18 including 12-13 FT's in 24 minutes off the bench.
Dennard 17 pts and 5 rebs
West -- 10 pts and 16 rebs (3 off 13 def).

FG 19-48; 3FG 2-9; FT 24-34
Rebs 55 13off - 42def.

Assists 13, Steals 11, Turnovers 26.

McM--

Richardson -- 21 pts, 12 rebs and a record 6 blocked shots.
Tuttle -- 16 pts.

FG 21-69; 3FG 1-22!; FT 10-18; Rebs 40 17 off 23 def.
Assists 11; steals 12; Turnovers 17.

Coach Holmes said that the officating was excellent in a personal observation!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on March 03, 2006, 11:20:38 pm
McMurry people may be down now, but the sun will come up in the morning. 

L. I. B. goes 26 wins and 3 losses plus wins the ASC championship.  McM loses two players.  Experience has been gained and added maturity will come with time.  This one hurts and should serve to make L. I. B. better players and people. 

At the start of this season, McM was picked 4th and was expected to be a year away.  L. I. B. exceeded what many thought possible. The ladies played well last week end in Mississippi and it just was not meant to be.  At least for this season. 

Thanks to L. I. B. and Coaches for a fine season!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 03, 2006, 11:21:55 pm
Ralph,

Thanks for the stats...

It was a tough win!  It was a tough loss!

Really sets up an interesting game tomorrow night with

HSU and HPU...on the Reservation!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 03, 2006, 11:25:43 pm
Kind of like last year...HPU vs McM on HSU's floor...this year HPU vs HSU on McM's floor...

although that was in the ASC tournament...but whats the difference...ASC championship or the NCAA Div 3 Texas State Championship :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2006, 11:50:05 pm
...on the Reservation!

ahh dsc, in the late 1990's, McMurry went thru its institutional names, policies and landmarks and discontinued the use of Reservation in conjunction with the campus!

We maintain that the use of Indians is in commemoration of the childhood of the university's founder, and is neither abusive not hostile.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 04, 2006, 12:32:40 am
OMG!!! 

Ralph, I certainly didn't mean any disrespect...I thought it was a term of endearment...like "home on the range"  would perhaps be for HSU!

Does McM still set up the tee-pees?

I know that was always fun to go over there during HC!

 :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 12:45:45 am
OMG!!! 

Ralph, I certainly didn't mean any disrespect...I thought it was a term of endearment...like "home on the range"  would perhaps be for HSU!

Does McM still set up the tee-pees?

McMurry still features a living history and cultural exhibit portraying the lives of the Plains Indians commonly referred to as "Tipi Village".  Annually over 3000 elementary school children get to visit the Village during McMurry Homecoming. ;)

I know that was always fun to go over there during HC!

 :D

No malice assumed, but the NCAA and the political orthodoxy are always on the prowl! :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 04, 2006, 01:40:47 am
Sucks! Great Season, but tonite sucked. Oh well, the sun comes up in the morning. We regroup and move on. Dang, I gotta clean house tomorrow, been 6 months since I've been home much. Thanks LIB. what a ride!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 04, 2006, 02:34:13 am
OOOOOOOO moseshightower.................... nice predictions!!!!
honestly, completly wrong is hard to beat.  i've eaten my own share of words in years past.  but wow.   ;) ok so thats harsh.  :)

what i meant to say was..........

Lets go JACKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 04, 2006, 02:43:40 am
Wow! Got to listen to the last five minutes of the the game.  Got a little concerned when West  fouled out,  but what I heard was that  a great team effort would not be denied.

Now I know this is went the "arrogant HSU fans"  are suppose to gloat.  Well.  this is a year that as an HSU fan I really felt they were the underdogs after the first loss to McMurry,  it was a real different experience.  MCM had a great year,  my hat goes off to them.  Only three losses and two of them to HSU.  Now they realize the target you wear when you are the leader of the pack.

I think the Cowgirls finally got back emotionally  to where they were before the HPU game  when they heard the terrible news just before the game.  I have never felt we had an excuse for lossing,  bad things happen to good people.  It is just that I have so much more respect that they have overcome that and losing to ETBU.  I'm sure after they lost to HPU they were experiencing greater feelings of loss.    Again I am not making excuses for loses I just amazed that they came up with tonights effort.  

I would have to think West had to be thinking she got the last laugh.   I know it wasn't about one person and certainly other Cowgirls made major if not better efforts on the night.  But for her she just had to be feeling pretty good,  and to do it in their gym.  I seriously am not trying to stir thing up,  but humans being humans you got to think.

Let me say a great thank you to HPU for beating Trinity. I know you had your own revenge to motivate you but I really love when anyone beats them.
Of course I am really hoping that the Cowgirls do beat HPU. But it could set up an emotional nightmare for me.  If they win and if either of the California teams win over the northwest teams and then they may have to play in this state and I would really be wanting to take the ten hour drive down south.  I'm sure the HPU people would love to relieve me of that problem,  but the northwest teams will most likely do that.  
Again to Indian faithful,  Ralph especially,  great team,  bad night.  I know you will be back next year,  just remember we are only losing West.  Will be very tight again.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 09:48:21 am
...

...Only three losses and two of them to HSU.  Now they realize the target you wear when you are the leader of the pack.

...Again to Indian faithful,  Ralph especially,  great team,  bad night.  I know you will be back next year,  just remember we are only losing West.  Will be very tight again.

Good morning calhsu!  Congratulations to the Cowgirls! 

Another installment in the "Finest Rivalry in Women's D3 Hoops".

Another really tough game faces the Cowgirls tonight.  Actually the "neutral site" may be best for this game.  HPU may have had the easiest draw.

McMurry only loses Carli Engelke and Jennifer Finstad, so everyone else gets another year in the weight room, and Coaches Nichols and Densman can find 3-4 more players to fit into the rotation.

I cannot undervalue the benefits of working in the weight room.  Please trust me.  I have seen numerous D3 and D1 players as well as Olympic skaters and Ironman competitors in their later lives.  Women athletes do not get overmuscled by weight work.  Any excess muscle mass that is not continually toned will disappear within a couple of years.  So go ahead and work on your strength and flexibility.

The profile of the SCAC is much higher than the ASC in D3 for numerous reasons that have nothing to do with the game on the floor.  Congratulations to the Lady Jackets for the convincing win over Trinity! ;)

Travel safely, friends!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 04, 2006, 10:57:53 am
Congratulations, Lady Indians, on a great season!  Last year, it didn't end quite like this, but this year we have both the Division and the Conference championships to show for our efforts... a first in the history of the team.
Coach Nichols commented last night on the radio after the game that some of the players worried they let down their fans by losing.  That's a bogus thought: it seems to me you play for yourself, not the fans; we're just along for the ride.  And you gave us a great ride.  Thanks for everything.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on March 04, 2006, 11:56:57 am
My hat is off to HSU...Seriously.  The way I say it, HSU is the only team that really beat McMurry this season. We beat ourselves against Howard Payne, and would never have lost if #4 hadn't gone crazy and hit like 4 three-pointers at the very end.

But HSU REALLY beat us...Twice.  Both times the cowgirls to seemed to have all the answers...They shut down the LIB inside...They somehow got in our heads and ruined our outside shot, and got enough offense to lead us by double digits for most of both second halves. 

I don't know how you did it, but my hat is off to HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on March 04, 2006, 01:20:46 pm
quite an epic battle to be fought in old Abilene today!!!  it is really our honor and privilege as fans to get to watch such a game!  both tonight and those played out yesterday.  of course i'm cheering on my HPU girls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  enjoy the rivalry game everyone. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 04, 2006, 01:50:05 pm
Wow, what a Friday night! 

This conference is really about three teams - McM, HPU and HSU.  This season, right up to the present day, has been anyone's to win or lose.  I have no idea who has the momentum, who should be the pick, etc. 

We'll be watching for the results!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: moseshightower on March 04, 2006, 01:55:26 pm
I gotta admit, I did go 0-2 on predictions last night.  Sounds like Trinity had no answer for Daniels but I don't think many teams in the country do.  I was shocked by the Hardin Simmons win considering there results coming into the NCAAs.  They showed some real character winning that game.  Good luck to both teams in tonight's state championship.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 04, 2006, 02:03:59 pm
I can't even predict who will win tonight. We were ready, all the cards were really in our court and we couldn't pull it off. It all goes back to the "any given team" scenario. When it gets to this time of the year, predictions go out the window. It's too bad three good teams have to eliminate each other, but one of the ASC teams is getting to the Sweet 16. I'll be quietly watching the game tonight, but I really don't have a clue who is going to win. Congrats to the L.I.B., it was truly a great season, and good luck to whoever, do the ASC proud. It will probably be just as intense next year and all these teams are young. I'm getting too old for all this !!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 03:58:27 pm
They showed some real character winning that game.  Good luck to both teams in tonight's state championship.

Even tho' we are knocking ourselves out, we ought to hang a special banner.

"D3 Texas National Champion!"

That has a nice sound! :D ;D :D 8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 04, 2006, 06:10:18 pm
What time is the tipoff?  I assumed it would be an afternoon game! 

This game will be a tight one, I do believe.  HPU has a lot of strengths and has shown that they can handle anyone.  HSU has demonstrated that when they have things together they, too, can handle anyone.

It will all come down to heart, poise and coaching.  Can you say HSU has a slight home court advantage, simply because they are playing in their own town? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 07:46:32 pm
HSU 40, HPU 30 Halftime.

HSU:  West 9, Singletary 9, Dennard 8, Hodges 7,

FG 14-27, FT 8-10; Rebs 20.

HPU: Daniels 10 (FG 3-15), Blalock 12 Hohertz 6.

FG 9-30; FT 10-12; Rebs 16.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 08:40:46 pm
HSU  73 , HPU 64.  Final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on March 04, 2006, 08:45:04 pm
WOW! :o
Thanks, Ralph! :-* (And that is not from Brokeback Mountain!)
Stay on the roll, Cowgirls! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 08:48:38 pm
The ASC needs the Cowgirls to get to the Final Four.

I hope that 2 weeks from tonight the Cowgirls will be thinking about how hard it was for the Cowgirls to get out of Texas! ;)

Travel safely! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 04, 2006, 08:57:55 pm
Thanks Ralph,

I lost my Internet stream with about 2 minutes to go...but I figured the Cowgirls would pull it off, even though the lead was only 5 or 7 points at the time!  Who would ever have "thunk" it. ???

The McM game was "tougher"...but HSU still had enough gas...for HPU.  Quite surprising!   Meia Daniels seemed to be an outstanding player.  I think the headlines on the HSU homepage a few days ago was something like how they had NO PLAYERS on the first team...so the team has come together!

Congratulations HSU Cowgirls.  Go West, young Women 8)
and make us all proud!  Good luck! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 04, 2006, 08:58:26 pm
Wow, How about those Cowgirls.

What a difference a week makes.  The three top ASC teams each had their moments.  HPU had a great weekend in Abilene,  MCM had a confernce championship,  HSU is going to the sweet sixteen.  

PLU is a great team.  Washington is a long way from Texas.  I should know.  I went to high school in Washingto and went from there to HSU.
Several years ago HSU lost to PLU in the national tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 04, 2006, 10:12:24 pm
Congratulations to Shawna Briggs for taking yet another HSU team to the Sweet 16 bracket . . . at least! 

The ASC has been striving for a Final Four appearance for years.  Maybe this is the year!  If the collective cheers of the folks back home are all that's needed to go all the way then the Cowgirls are assured of winning it all!

What an amazing year!  The ASC has never (at least in my memory) had a season where there was such competition!  It's been great!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 04, 2006, 10:38:01 pm
Just got back from Abilene, HPU came out with no intensity whatsoever through the whole game.  The only time they showed any heart in the game was when they were down by 15 and cut it to 3 in the 2nd half.  Other than that they didn't play like they even wanted to be there.

Congrats to HSU, represent well.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2006, 10:55:31 pm
Congratulations to Shawna Briggs for taking yet another HSU team to the Sweet 16 bracket . . . at least! 

The ASC has been striving for a Final Four appearance for years.  Maybe this is the year!  If the collective cheers of the folks back home are all that's needed to go all the way then the Cowgirls are assured of winning it all!

What an amazing year!  The ASC has never (at least in my memory) had a season where there was such competition!  It's been great!

Paint, I wonder if this is not the "battle-hardening" that has been missing in ASC teams once they get to the playoffs.

The ASC-West has been very hard  (McM, HSU, HPU and UMHB especially), and Mississippi College was very tough in interdivisional play.

If this only makes us ASC Teams better, then we need this every year!

I probably speak for the great majority of fans.  Yeah, we wish we were there, but for the sake of the conference, good luck and Go Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 04, 2006, 11:59:56 pm
Ralph, I believe you may be right in your assessment!

I rememberr last season when we wondered if HSU had slipped a couple of notches or if other ASC teams had stepped things up.  The conclusion was that the latter was more likely than the former.

This season, in my opinion, demonstrated that the calibre of teams playing in the ASC, especially, but not exclusively, in the West, has improved dramatically.  It was anyone's game on virtually any night.  McM was incredible all year long.  HPU again this season showed they were a serious contender and a force to be reckoned with.  HSU, again in my opionion, snuck through the back door into this postseason play.  They have obviouisly played well enough to prove they belonged in the tournament but, nevertheless, they did not win their way in!

Glad they are there and I'm glad they are heading West to play the next round.  This may just be the year that they go to the Final Four . . . and maybe, just maybe, beyond!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 12:27:35 am
Paint, I am not sure how good Pac Lutheran is.

They played some NAIA's from the Cascade Conference, plus NAIA Montana Tech.

http://www.cascadeconference.org/postseason/2006wbxplayoffs.htm

They did defeat Concorida Moorhead and Chapman, both of which made the first round of the Dance!

http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?school=Pacific%20Lutheran&team=w

They have size; I wonder if they have quickness.

http://www.plu.edu/~athletic/wbball/roster.html

And they have home court advantage.

Go Cowgirls!  You can do it!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 12:31:43 am
PLU Stats (http://www.plu.edu/~athletic/wbball/2005-06%20statistics/TEAMCUME.HTM)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 05, 2006, 07:47:58 pm
I'm not feeling it...take away my karma, call me a baby,a sore loser, whatever....I wanted us to be there. I don't care who wins at this point. The committees who be, that set us up to play three teams in the same conference again, it just doesn't seem right, in the name of money or whatever. I'm just being honest. I guarantee if McM had won, a lot of HSU and HPU fans would be feeling the same way, they may not put it out there but they wouldn't be rooting for us to win. Sorry but I HATE losing especially to HSU. Give me some time and I'll get over it........(I'll probably lose my spot on the All mom's list)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 08:04:44 pm
That's okay, fanstand.  Losing is tough. 

I suggest that you talk to your gynecologist.  ;) :D

I really hope that HSU doesn't choke!  That would be really bad.  I would have felt the same pressure if McMurry had choked in the Sectionals.

The nagging unanswered question that can only be answered by HSU is whether we play Final Four quality basketball in the ASC-West.  If HSU gets there, if HSU wins the National Championship, then we know how close we are and how much work we have to do in the off-season to unseat the National Champions.

This is just the next step that LIB needs to take.  More work in the off-season, a good recruiting class and working on weights and conditioning.

We have a good pre-conference schedule next year, and the Tourney will be on the West.

GO L.I.B.!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: #1fan on March 05, 2006, 08:10:28 pm
One thing I keep wondering about...and if NCAA gave any thought to was that HSU lost first round and MCM had to play two more very hard fought ball games that weekend.  HPU lost 2nd round leaving MCM to play one more than they did.  Although this does not sound like a lot but 3 games in 3 days does take a toll on these young girls mental and physical health.  Give credit to Austin, ETBU and UMHB they gave us great games but I still think it put us at a disadvantage coming into this tournament.  

One other comment regarding Tara not getting player of the year...someone suggested that MCM had other players who could step up and score but I believe HPU has several other very good players also.  By having Tara and people concentrating on her it helped us to open up the three point game which in turn helped take some of the pressure off of her.  Although Meia is a great player I beleive Tara was more of an impact player.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 08:54:13 pm
One thing I keep wondering about...and if NCAA gave any thought to was that HSU lost first round and MCM had to play two more very hard fought ball games that weekend.  HPU lost 2nd round leaving MCM to play one more than they did.  Although this does not sound like a lot but 3 games in 3 days does take a toll on these young girls mental and physical health.  Give credit to Austin, ETBU and UMHB they gave us great games but I still think it put us at a disadvantage coming into this tournament.  

One other comment regarding Tara not getting player of the year...someone suggested that MCM had other players who could step up and score but I believe HPU has several other very good players also.  By having Tara and people concentrating on her it helped us to open up the three point game which in turn helped take some of the pressure off of her.  Although Meia is a great player I beleive Tara was more of an impact player.

#1 fan, I think that the ASC-Tourney win was what earned McM the Texas sub-bracket!

I think that the HSU loss to ETBU was what knocked the Cowgirls off their high horse..."We are HSU Cowgirls!  Now are you going to roll over and lose?  Or do I have to go and get my hair sweaty?" ;)

Sonya West alluded to a team meeting that they had.  That may have been the best thing that could have happened.

If HSU continues to play with that ferocity, then we ASC fans can judge how good they are.  Our provincial nature is inclined to think that "we are the best teams in the country!" whether that is true or not.

But if HSU was able to take it to that level, playing the 2 teams in the country that they would like to beat most, then we know what it takes to win it all.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 05, 2006, 08:55:18 pm
I'm not feeling it...take away my karma, call me a baby,a sore loser, whatever....I wanted us to be there. I don't care who wins at this point. The committees who be, that set us up to play three teams in the same conference again, it just doesn't seem right, in the name of money or whatever. I'm just being honest. I guarantee if McM had won, a lot of HSU and HPU fans would be feeling the same way, they may not put it out there but they wouldn't be rooting for us to win. Sorry but I HATE losing especially to HSU. Give me some time and I'll get over it........(I'll probably lose my spot on the All mom's list)

Fanstand, surely you know that losing to McMurry hurts HSU fans as much as the other way around. :(

What was to be...is!

I realize there are not too many HSU fans posting on these boards...most of the season it has been McM fans posting...so it is up to me!!!

Of course I want HSU to win it all, but just to get to the Sweet Sixteen...perhaps to the Elite Eight...or further...would be wonderful!  But for a team that had NO PLAYERS on the first team ALL ASC...I have to say that I am proud of the Cowgirls.

Everyone gets upset and disappointed because the HSU Cowgirls have not gone to the FINAL FOUR, even though they have been in the "dance" 7 of the last 8 years!  Well, I'm sorry, but that is pretty good to me!!!  In fact, it is outstanding!  And I am proud of the Purple and Gold!  Don't think I am gloating...too old for that!  Just wanted to prepare everyone to not complain if the Cowgirls don't make it all the way!!!

#1Fan makes some good points!  And if eveyone will recall...I was one of the first that acknowledged that HSU may have been selected to "complete the foursome"...but again, that's life.  Who knows, the Cowgirls have EARNED the right to be where they are now!



Go ASC...it was a fun year!  ...and might get BETTER! ;)


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 05, 2006, 10:05:05 pm
I'm not feeling it...take away my karma, call me a baby,a sore loser, whatever....I wanted us to be there. I don't care who wins at this point.

I guarantee if McM had won, a lot of HSU and HPU fans would be feeling the same way, they may not put it out there but they wouldn't be rooting for us to win. Sorry but I HATE losing especially to HSU. Give me some time and I'll get over it........(I'll probably lose my spot on the All mom's list)

I'm not taking away any karma points.  In fact, I'm giving you another one!  :D

You still ought to care about who wins, though.  Wouldn't it be nice to say you were knocked out of the tournament by the team that ultimately won it all?  Wouldn't it be nice to speak of the ASC as the conference that turned out the National Champs?

As to your guarantee, I don't think there would be a lot of HSU fans who would not be cheering for McM.  I have a lot of confidence in my fellow HSU-backers.  I think for the most part they/we are a classy bunch!  ::)

I don't blame you for hating to lose to HSU.  For years they have been the team to beat!McM had them this season and then lost to them when it mattered most.  It's just the same song, next verse, or deja vu all over again!

Finally, Ralph, your advise for this dear, sweet woman was a classic!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 05, 2006, 10:33:19 pm
I just wanted my 400th post!   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 05, 2006, 11:17:51 pm
Plus one, Paint! :D ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 06, 2006, 11:28:18 am
I was a little disappointed in Fanstand's post but I really do understand.  Pour out hostility toward HSU or put the blame on it her girls.  It really wasn't much of a choice. 

I bleed purple and gold this time of year.  But all this talk of final four and national championship is a little premature.  Ralph,  I do not think if they lost to PLU at PLU,  a team as highly rated as that, or if they then lost to RMC that would be so bad.   I am not making excues ahead of time I am really just being realistic.  This team has more losses than any HSU team in recent years.   
On the other hand, the theory that they might be better because they had to fight and claw to get here this year has some merit.   One other good thing is how the team has transitioned to what it is now.  I did some comparison of the team when they beat MCM the first time and where they are as of the past weekend.   Very different and several sophs have really stepped up. 
Up to now all the cowgirls have done is win the state DIII championship.   
The ladies need to bring a umbrella for it has been very wet here on the left coast.  And all my trips to the Seattle, Tacoma area  were wet.   I visited the PLU campus in high school , very beautiful,  very expensive to go there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 06, 2006, 11:38:01 am
I'm under the impression that areas of the country serve up very different levels of play in terms of women's basketball.  For instance, West Texas typically has stronger women's teams than south Texas; the Panhandle offers a stronger overall program than East Texas.  The Northeastern part of the country typically has stronger teams than the South and I don't remember too many really strong teams in the Western part of the country at all.

I may be way off base here but I think HSU has a much better lot before them by playing west coast teams than they would if they were heading easterly at this point in the tournament.  Playing Midwest teams the last few years of postseason play has never been successful for the Cowgirls.  I'm optimistic over their chances for success!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on March 06, 2006, 12:14:51 pm
The most dominating team in the ASC is HSU -- (Men's or Women's)  Who else can compare with HSU over the past 8 years.  Final 4, Elite 8, National Championship, who cares. No one has done what HSU Women have done.
Good Luck with the next game and hats off to them for this years run.  Way to go Coach Briggs and Cowgirls!!!  Everyone had you buried and the haters are now coming out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on March 06, 2006, 12:25:31 pm
Aaahhh!  Finally back in the office after a weekend in Abilene.... but what a weekend.   From o and out to the 16th floor.  The Cowgirls were brilliant, played with passion and emotion,  and did not let a very hostile gym effect them.  They played like there was no tomorrow, but with poise and determination.  I can't put my finger on it but they seemed like a much different team than they had been all season......they went out on the floor and just played their hearts out!
    I know some of what went on in that hour after the loss in Miss.  but wow,  whatever else happend.. it was magic.  The girls had been thru  much adversity up until Miss. and got beat by a very athletic and good ETBU team.... then to get a second chance....They made the most of it!!!
    I do know this..the Cowgirls are not satisfied to just be there,  They are going out to win it all.  After McMurry their matra was 5 more games,  after HPU they said 4 more games... I believe they can do it and they believe they can do it..they are a very dangerous team right now(ask Sam)

GO COWGIRLS!!    (sorry about the all caps)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 06, 2006, 01:08:38 pm
The most dominating team in the ASC is HSU -- (Men's or Women's) 

Final 4, Elite 8, National Championship, who cares. No one has done what HSU Women have done.

Men's or Women's?   ???  I have not watched a men's game in a few years but three years or so ago the men's team was awful!  Maybe they have improved, I simply do not know.  But I would never use the word "dominating" when describing HSU men's basketball!

Who cares?  I do.   :o  While no one in the ASC has done what HSU has done, plenty of teams in the national arena have done all that and more! 

The best the ASC has delivered in the last who-knows-how-many years is an Elite Eight appearance.  Typically it's been a Sweet 16 showing and then a good thumping by some team outside of the South.  The best thing that could happen to both the ASC and HSU would be a Final Four appearance or better!  I am thinking this is the best year in a dozen for it to occur!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 06, 2006, 01:20:15 pm
Hey!  As important as all this ASC/Final Four/Rivalry talk is, I just had to break the thread with news about the new Bob Marley image on my profile.  Nice.  Very nice. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 06, 2006, 01:25:06 pm
One of the first years HSU was in the NCAA tournament they played PLU and were beat badly.  Ralph would remember it was one of the Otwell(I think that is how she spelled it) teams.

Paint I think you are right,  all things considered if you are faced with playing the team in the west and south with the best records  or   playing the teams from the east or midwest we have the better draw.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 06, 2006, 01:27:49 pm
Paint I think you are right,  all things considered if you are faced with playing the team in the west and south with the best records  or   playing the teams from the east or midwest we have the better draw.

Of course I am right!  Was there ever any question?  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 06, 2006, 01:37:03 pm
Paint I studied at seminary about you,  I think the word was
"inerrant."
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 06, 2006, 01:51:46 pm
What  a small world and maybe a little karma for HSU.  As I was checking the PLU season it seems that they lost one of their games to an Oregon team named Lewis and Clark.  On that team they have a player named Allison Farr who just happens to be from our little area.  My daughter even played against her until she quit playing her junior year.  The Farr girl is a "wide body" and had five blocks against PLU. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 06, 2006, 02:12:13 pm
It is very interesting checking the PLU stats.  From the looks of it they have two really good players.  Johnson and Long who both have over three hundred points a piece and one has 264 rebounds and Long has 335 rebounds. Both girls are juniors. K. Turner has 392 points  but on 95 rebounds. She is a senior.  Buckingham hs 237 pts and Mann 165,  after that it really drops off.  So they have five solid players only one soph.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2006, 04:05:26 pm
...   This team has more losses than any HSU team in recent years.   
On the other hand, the theory that they might be better because they had to fight and claw to get here this year has some merit.   One other good thing is how the team has transitioned to what it is now.  I did some comparison of the team when they beat MCM the first time and where they are as of the past weekend.   Very different and several sophs have really stepped up. 
Up to now all the cowgirls have done is win the state DIII championship.   
...

Guuawwwllyy, I couldn't have said it better! ;)

If the conference is better, then we should see it in the post-season play, and HSU would be more "battle-hardened" from playing a more competitive ASC-West/ASC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 06, 2006, 05:15:25 pm

If the conference is better, then we should see it in the post-season play, and HSU would be more "battle-hardened" from playing a more competitive ASC-West/ASC!

I hope that is exactly what has happened!  I believe the ASC, especially the West, has stepped things up dramatically over the last two years and that the battle for the ASC championship only improves every team. 

HSU has taken advantage of the gift that this opportunity for postseaon play was.  Hopefully they were a good pick and their continued success will only affirm the decision to invite them to the tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 06, 2006, 05:46:48 pm
Paint I studied at seminary about you,  I think the word was
"inerrant."

No, not really.  Infallible, maybe!  ;)
 
For all you McM Methodists, those words mean "truth without any mixture of error."  ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 06, 2006, 06:41:51 pm
...
HSU has taken advantage of the gift that this opportunity for postseaon play was.  Hopefully they were a good pick and their continued success will only affirm the decision to invite them to the tournament.

I think that the gift is actually the expanded Pool C this year.  I will try to run the numbers, but I think that HSU was actually the 18th out of 21 Pool C bids.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on March 07, 2006, 11:58:38 am
inthepaint:
     We "McM Methodists" are confused:  Why is there a 'dancing' rastafarian as your picture?
     I thought baptists didn't dance?  I also thought they stayed away from Jamaica cause the country smells like burnt rope.
     Seriously though, I tend to agree with the battle-hardened analogy.  With the conference having more competitive teams it can do nothing but help HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 07, 2006, 03:19:02 pm
inthepaint:
     We "McM Methodists" are confused:  Why is there a 'dancing' rastafarian as your picture?
     I thought baptists didn't dance?  I also thought they stayed away from Jamaica cause the country smells like burnt rope.
     Seriously though, I tend to agree with the battle-hardened analogy.  With the conference having more competitive teams it can do nothing but help HSU.

I was educated at two of Texas' great Baptist schools.  While working on my undergraduate degree I was thankful for the Methodists, who hosted a once-a-month "function" on Friday nights for the Baptists down the road!  I thoroughly enjoyed the experience!

Fortunately we Baptists have overcome some of our past foolishness.  I mean, Baylor actually hosts regular on-campus events and even calls them what they are - DANCES!

As to the rastafarian influences of my life - that's another story all together!

Here's to hoping for continued HSU-ASC victories!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2006, 03:30:30 pm
Do you know the difference between the Methodists and the Baptists?

A Methodist will speak to you in a liquor store!


Do you know how to tell a Baptist or Church of Christ's preacher's daughter at McMurry?

She is the best dancer on the dance floor!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 07, 2006, 07:30:16 pm
FYI,  HSU commenced "on campus" dances last year!  :o Baylor...two years ago (or maybe 3, not sure which).  Even when I was at HSU last century, we enjoyed the trips over to McMurry...a note on the Bulletin Board in the SUB, was all it took!  (P.S.---I still can't dance!!!) :-[

BTW, don't ever take just one Baptist on a fishing trip.  He'll drink all your booze! (So take two!):-\

Just kidding! ;D

Go COWGIRLS... 8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 07, 2006, 10:54:47 pm
A Baptist preacher and his secretary were having an affair.  They snuck down to the church kitchen for a quick fling one afternoon.  The secretary, afraid that someone would come in and catch them, said, "Let's just do this standing up."  The preacher, shocked, said, "No way!  If someone caught us they would think we were dancing!"

For the record, I grew up a Methodist.  I'm actually doing missionary work among the heathen these days.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 08, 2006, 05:56:41 pm
Don't y'all forget the line in the movie A River Runs Through It, where the Presbyterian minister-father character defines Methodists as simply "Baptists who know how to read"!...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 08, 2006, 06:21:30 pm
That is the best post to date on this important subject!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 09, 2006, 08:55:20 am
Good luck to the HSU women this weekend!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on March 10, 2006, 12:39:11 pm
Does anyone know how the Cowgirls stack up against the Lutes?   Looks like we match up pretty well with their roster but that is about all I can figure out.  It sounds as if they too have an injured point guard but I can't find out for sure.
Any predictions out there?  How about it Ralph?
Cowgirls by 10! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 10, 2006, 08:39:37 pm
I signed on to see results and realized the games are two hours behind us in time!  Aaarrrrgggghhhhh!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 10, 2006, 09:24:04 pm
you're lucky, ITP...

I'm on the East Coast! >:(

It'll be tomorrow before we find out the results here! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 01:31:56 am
Way to go Cowgirls!!! one more until the Final Four.  Randolph-Macon will be a lot tougher than PLU but it can be done.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 01:34:46 am
Copngratualtions, Cowgirls!  You are getting RMC on a neutral court! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 11, 2006, 01:37:41 am
What a great victory for the cowgirls.   I would think the PLU gym tomorrow night will be  a very small crowd.    Not having a radio broadcast has been tough.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 11, 2006, 01:38:31 am
What an exciting game!  How about those Cowgirls!

76-72 in overtime!  Tough game...in PLU's gym...yet!

Go HSU!!!  Henley had a great game and even fouled out at the end...maybe someone else can step up tomorrow night!

Elite Eight!!!  Third time in 8 years!!!!

So proud of the Cowgirls!!!

And yes, I do agree that RMC will be tougher!!! Don't they have the Josten player of the year?  I could be wrong!

Go  HSU  Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 11, 2006, 01:41:26 am
Calhsu,

You can still get the game over the Internet vice radio...check it out on the HSU homepage.  (Two ways to receive it.)

Just in case you didn't know!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 11, 2006, 01:42:52 am
Yes they have the Josten winner.   I was reading the cowgirl material on the regional teams and they had great back history.  It seems four years ago HSU faced RMC and beat them soundly.  But the Silva girl even as a freshman was their leading scorer.   I hope she is looking for pay back.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 11, 2006, 01:45:40 am
Sure feel real bad you Texas people having to stay up till Saturday for all this.  I'm just fixing to watch Lettermen.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 11, 2006, 01:47:49 am
It's almost 2 a.m. here on the East Coast...


Good night, all!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 09:37:35 am
It's Saturday morning and I just learned of the victory.  First thing I did after getting up (well, after getting a cup of coffee) was fire up the laptop and check the D3Hoops page for the good news.

I know of only one other year when the Cowgirls made it to the 8 team bracket.  This is wonderful for the school and the conference!  A win today pushes the team farther than any ASC team has ever gone before.  It is a huge statement for the ASC, that a team that was one-and-done in the conference tournament is going this deep in the national scene!  It tells everyone that the ASC is tougher than they would think!

Go Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 11, 2006, 01:14:55 pm
HSU in the final 8 is great!

(Note: The announcers stated that this was the third time for HSU to advance to the Elite Eight.)

Very good indeed!  It will be interesting to see how the final "Top Twenty-five" voting goes.  All three ASC "Texas Teams" should be up there...and one can only believe that either of the others could be where HSU is now!

Go ASC!!!

And Good Luck tonight, Cowgirls!  Play tough!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 02:34:49 pm
It will be interesting to see how the final "Top Twenty-five" voting goes.  All three ASC "Texas Teams" should be up there...and one can only believe that either of the others could be where HSU is now!

I completely agree!  Either McM or HPU would have represented the ASC well.  We had a strong conference this year and the polls should show it.  The performance of the Cowgirls is the best thing that could happen to the ASC for national recognition.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 09:55:58 pm
Okay, Paint or Calhsu or dsc or anyone else who has lurked on this board for the past season without contributing,

The HSU server is filled up!  I am unable to get on! :-\

We need someone to post the updated scores!

Thanks! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:22:39 pm
HSU 17 RMC 14 9 mins to go in the 1st half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:25:52 pm
HSU 24 RMC 14 7mins to go in the 1st
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:30:51 pm
HSU 26 RMC 18  5 mins to go

Silva has 13 points for RMC
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:33:00 pm
HSU 29 RMC 20  3:25 left in the 1st.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:36:51 pm
HSU 31 RMC 20 2:51 left in the half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:38:06 pm
HSU 36 RMC 20 1:30 to go in the half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 10:38:55 pm
They may just push hard on Silva, let her get the big numbers but shut everyone else down.  Silva will then have to carry even more of the load.

Thanks, dballa, friend!

The RMC fans are wondering what is happening...sounds like another ASC-West game to me!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:39:36 pm
HSU 36 RMC 22  :51 lefti n the half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:41:32 pm
HSU 36 RMC 26  Halftime

HSU is shooting the ball very well and playing great defense.

I think it helps they are playing a team called the Yellow Jackets :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 10:44:50 pm
HSU 36 RMC 26  Halftime

HSU is shooting the ball very well and playing great defense.

I think it helps they are playing a team called the Yellow Jackets :)

Yellow Jackets?  That response is virtually Pavlovian!  :D :D :D :D :D

+1 dballa! :D :D :D :D ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 10:47:04 pm
Thanks for the updates, DBalla!  I'm following through you!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 10:48:34 pm
I think it helps they are playing a team called the Yellow Jackets :)

Priceless!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:49:50 pm
RMC's big 6'3 post player Orton had 2 fouls early and didn't play much at all through most of the first half.

Silva had 13 pts early and was 4-4 but missed her last 6 shots.

I have a feeling she might get hot in the 2nd half but HSU is playing great defense on her.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 10:59:38 pm
HSU 39 RMC 32 about 18 mins left in the game



Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:00:51 pm
HSU 41 RMC 32  17:44 left in the game

RMC went on a 12-0 run to end the half and start the 2nd before HSU built the lead back up to 9.

HSU 41 RMC 34 17:30 to go in teh game
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:02:37 pm
HSU 41 RMC 36

West hasn't made a FG the whole game and only has 2 points from the free throw line.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:04:03 pm
HSU 41 RMC 38  15 mins to go

Orton the 6'3 girl for RMC is having her way inside.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:05:30 pm
Sonya needs to neutralize Orton!  That is the key for HSU!

Silva can be handled by committee, but I think that Sonya is the player who must neutralize Orton! :-\

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:05:57 pm
HSU 41 RMC 42  14:01 left

RMC is on a 22-5 run since about a min left in the 1st half.  HSU can't hit a shot now.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:06:13 pm
I wish we could see Tarra Richardson vs Orton!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:10:52 pm
HSU 46 RMC 42 

Cisneroz is shooting lights out tonight.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:12:44 pm
HSU 46 RMC 44 

West has 11 rebounds and only 4 pts all on free throws.  Contribute what you can when your shots aren't falling.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:13:54 pm
HSU 48 RMC 44 10 mins to go.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:16:00 pm
Then she is!  C'mon Sonya and Cowgirls!

Win one for us forgotten souls in the ASC! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:16:41 pm
HSU 48 RMC 44  about 9 mins to go I think.

RMC two 6'3" girls have 3 fouls

West still can't hit a shot.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:18:41 pm
HSU 48 RMC 44 still

Orton now has 4 fouls.  thats huge since she has 12 pts in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:19:52 pm
now the other 6'3" girl has 4 fouls.  West picked up the charge on Orton and then the other girl fouled her in the paint on the other end.

West has 14 rbs now.  Now 6 pts all on free throws.

HSU 50 RMC 44 8:10 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:21:10 pm
HSU 52 RMC 45  7 mins left

West finally hit her first FG of the game
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:21:44 pm
Finally got the feed via the HSU web site.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:21:54 pm
HSU 54 RMC 47 6:30 left

West hits another one
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:22:49 pm
HSU 54 RMC 47 6:20 to go RMC timeout.

good time for West to start getting hot.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:23:30 pm
HSU is playing well but this Randolph Macon team is explosive!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:25:17 pm
HSU 56 RMC 47  6 mins to go.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:25:33 pm
Finally got the feed via the HSU web site.  :)

When a RMC fan fell off the server, I commented on the ODAC board that either a HSU trustee or the President of the Baptist General Convention of Texas had intervened.

You Hardened-sinners are tough! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:26:14 pm
HSU 59 RMC 49  5:10 left  

Cisneroz hits another 3 pointer
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:27:01 pm
HSU 61 RMC 51  4:25  left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:27:32 pm
HSU 63 RMC 51  3:45 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:27:52 pm
"The Cowgirls can smell it?"  Please, no jinxes!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:28:24 pm
HSU 63 RMC 53 3:18 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:29:15 pm
Go Sonja West.  Obviously playing very tough tonight!  11 in the second half after just a few in the first.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:29:20 pm
HSU 65 RMC 53

West has 12 pts in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:30:03 pm
HSU 67 RMC 55 2:20 to go.


Sorry paint I wrote that after you did about West's points :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:30:13 pm
12 points with 2.5 minutes to play.  Man, this is exciting.  The first game I have listened to this season on the net.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:31:31 pm
HSU 67 RMC 55  1:45 left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:31:52 pm
HSU 67 RMC 56 1:40 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:31:59 pm
Keep it coming, guys!

Go Cowgirls!

Beat RMC
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:32:08 pm
Sorry paint I wrote that after you did about West's points :)

Not a problem, DB!  Things are looking and sounding good for the ASC and HSU!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:32:58 pm
Technical foul!  Things are falling apart for RMC!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:33:01 pm
HSU 68 RMC 56  1:13 left


Silva is trying too hard now to score and RMC's head coach just got a Technical Foul.  Frustration has set in for them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:34:34 pm
I just asked my wife if she would like to take a trip back east, on a whim, for the FINAL FOUR!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:35:49 pm
HSU 68 RMC 56  :59 left

Foul Fest 06 begins.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:36:51 pm
The announcers get a HUGE tip of my hat!  They did a great job calling this game.  I regret not listening to more games throughout the season!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:37:04 pm
Paint, would you regret it, if this were the only time HSU ever went?

You could show your children the birthplace of Basketball and the Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:37:09 pm
HSU 70 RMC 56  :48 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:38:28 pm
HSU 72 RMC 56 FINAL!!!!!

Way to go Cowgirls 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:40:05 pm
Amazing!  72-56 Cowgirl victory!  This from a team that was knocked out of the conference tournament in the first game! 

I agree with the earlier post, that it could have been any of three ASC West teams taking us deep into the playoffs.  What a season!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 11, 2006, 11:41:00 pm
Final  Four!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's great to be a HSU Cowgirl Fan! ;D

72-56........................Rope 'em Cowgirls.

They have to play SouMaine...ugh!  But who knows!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 11, 2006, 11:41:29 pm
Also congrats to Coach Briggs on her 100th victory.  what a way to get it.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:41:52 pm
Way to go,
Cowgirls!

Sorry, my voice gave out.
:D

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 11, 2006, 11:44:17 pm
The ASC is really looking good now!  So happy!!!

Megan Silva lived up to her Josten Winner title, but could not do it alone!

They're cutting the net down in Tacoma!

Coach Shanna Briggs gets her 100th win...in four years!  Wow!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:45:12 pm
Paint, would you regret it, if this were the only time HSU ever went?

You could show your children the birthplace of Basketball and the Hall of Fame.

Ralph, I have been watching HSU women's basketball for about 10 years, a real newcomer to the ASC when compared to some of you!  I have come to appreciate just what it takes to go deep into the playoffs.  It is a HUGE accomplishment, as we all know, to get to the Final Four!  

I have cheered teams that I thought were incredible and saw them beaten in the Sweet 16 round.  To see a team that ended the season like they did, to get into the tournament by an invitation, and then to head to a place no HSU team, no ASC team. has ever been is absolutely amazing!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:46:38 pm
Amazing!  72-56 Cowgirl victory!  This from a team that was knocked out of the conference tournament in the first game! 

I agree with the earlier post, that it could have been any of three ASC West teams taking us deep into the playoffs.  What a season!

Paint, ETBU was a good team!  The long bus ride back told the Cowgirls that they would have to change and to re-assess what it would take without Sarah Hauk.  They had a long week to work on these things, mostly mental and they did what they needed to do.

I just wish that one of the 3 teams could have been sent to another bracket as Bridgewater and RMC were separated! :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 11, 2006, 11:47:18 pm
Wish I had done and said that Ralph!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry about not posting the scores...but I was listening to the game and just figured everyone else was also.

The games were so different.  Not the emotion in tonight's game like last night!  The crowd (or lack thereof) really makes a difference!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:47:25 pm
HSU has been blessed with tremendous leadership in their head coaches.  Coach Briggs has surpassed her mentor, Coach Goodenough!  What a legacy!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:50:35 pm
Paint, ETBU was a good team!  The long bus ride back told the Cowgirls that they would have to change and to re-assess what it would take without Sarah Hauk.  They had a long week to work on these things, mostly mental and they did what they needed to do.

They certainly showed us all that they were a far better team than they appeard to be in Clinton! 

Who beat ETBU?  To listen to tonight's game knowing that you beat the team that knocked the Cowgirls out of the ASC tournament must be a bitter-sweet experience!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 11, 2006, 11:52:37 pm
It's been a great evening, friends!  Heading to bed to get ready for a big day tomorrow!  It will be a llloooooonnnnnngggggg week waiting for the last tournament of the season!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2006, 11:54:25 pm
Who knocked ETBU out of the Tourney?  McMurry, 75-67!

HSU has been blessed with tremendous leadership in their head coaches.  Coach Briggs has surpassed her mentor, Coach Goodenough!  What a legacy!

And the ASC-West in 2006 is much harder than anything that Coach Goodenough had to deal with.

The only real challenge that the Goodenough teams faced was the 2000 McMurry team!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 12:01:03 am
Final Four Poll on the Women's Multi-region message board!

Vote early!  Vote often!  ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 12, 2006, 12:04:25 am
Who knocked ETBU out of the Tourney?  McMurry, 75-67!

The only real challenge that the Goodenough teams faced was the 2000 McMurry team!

I knew that, Ralph!  My point was that the conference is about as level this season as it ever has been and may be ever!  At least among three teams in the ASC West!

True about Coach Goodenough!  She had an amazing career at HSU and she was and is a tremendous individual as well as a terrific coach.  However, Coach Briggs has passed her by with this 100th victory in 4 seasons and the school's first ever trip to the Final Four!  
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 12, 2006, 12:16:38 am
I have gone all day doing a basketball tournament for 5th and 6th grade kids.  As soon as I cam home I checked!!!!!!!!I am complete amazement.   I have a feeling so is the rest of the country.   The other teams that came to Tacoma I think were counting chickens before they got on the court.  This reminds me so much of when  Trinity won their championship.  They came to the regional and no one was paying attention to them.   They too beat a Josten winner.  They had also lost several games but peaked at the tournament.

It is not just that they won,  but they did it so convincingly.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on March 12, 2006, 01:07:22 am
congrats to hsu

Part of the reason for etbu being so up and down is youth.  Most of the players are freshman and sophs.  Look out in the coming years. 

HSU good luck...man that is hard for me to say
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 01:15:43 am


HSU good luck...man that is hard for me to say

and me, and probably jungle, finnman, fanstand and dballa! :-\
Maybe millie and srslobos, too.
McMfan is a gentleman and a scholar, so he can intellectualize any angst.

Hey, it's ASC, tho'!

Travel safely, Cowgirl fans!  Carry the ASC banner proudly! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 12, 2006, 07:45:42 am
Yes,  it IS difficult to understand, but...

If anyone has the time, there is some interesting reading on the ODAC board...starting with the postings BEFORE the game...then during and after.  Ralph, thanks for keeping them "calm."  Appreciate that!

Love those Cowgirls.  They only lose Sonya West for next year...so we should have another exciting year in the ASC.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: jmnaseum on March 12, 2006, 10:00:17 am
Way to go Coach Briggs and HSU!!

What does that say about the ASC West!!!!!  What a conference

Take the top 4 West teams next year and put them in the National tournament, (in different areas) and let them battle it out in the final 4 ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 11:36:56 am

The games were so different.  Not the emotion in tonight's game like last night!  The crowd (or lack thereof) really makes a difference!

Attendance was 147 ??? >:(
Guess not much draw in Washington for a Texas-Virginia game.
Couldn't sectional inclusion criteria be improved?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 11:46:24 am

It is not just that they won,  but they did it so convincingly.

I think HSU caught RMU on a very flat night where they couldn't hit the proverbial broad side of a barn. RMC shot 32% from the floor vs. their 47 % average, and only 10% on their 3s !!!
And the big girl sitting on the bench for 20 minutes was a
huge factor.
Must have cast a Hardened Sinners  prayer mist over the arena. ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 11:50:47 am

Attendance was 147 ??? >:(
Guess not much draw in Washington for a Texas-Virginia game.
Couldn't sectional inclusion criteria be improved?

We draw more at our girls' middle school games.  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 12:13:09 pm
"Silva must have had all her points in the first half; saw her make, possibly, 3 in the second. Couldn't hit the basket with a funnel. H-S looked like Friday night's R-M and R-M looked like Friday night's Stout. Of course, that was second half. Didn't see the first.

I see the sun; it's hazy, but I'm sure that's what it is.  "
 
 ----
 
Above post from a Wis-Stout fan who stayed around to watch last night's game ( some of the 147 were just hanging out ). Loved the comment at the end about the Tacoma weather. ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 12:34:56 pm
... Cowgirls...only lose Sonya West for next year...so we should have another exciting year in the ASC.

McMurry only loses 4-yr letter winners Carli Engelke and Jennifer Finstad.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 01:14:50 pm

Attendance was 147 ??? >:(
Guess not much draw in Washington for a Texas-Virginia game.
Couldn't sectional inclusion criteria be improved?

We draw more at our girls' middle school games.  ;D

The "neutral court" aspect does give a "level playing field".  I don't mind the paltry attendance figures.  RMC would not have wanted to face Stout or HSU in their own gyms.

Women's Basketball in West Texas is serious business.  Coach Bobby Knight's Texas Tech Red Raider Basketball men average 6700 fans per game; Coach Marsha Sharp's Lady Raiders average 12,000 fans per game.

On the  RMC (http://www.rmc.edu/athletics/basketball/womens/BBstats/2006/teamcume.htm) web site, I see that the Jackets played to one crowd of 1000.

Life in the ASC-West is much different.  Hardin-Simmons, McMurry and Howard Payne play before thousands of fans several times in the season.  HSU played before thousands of fans 4 times in the regular season, and then the playoff crowds are noted.  (The HPU board sites the attendance at the HSU-HPU game in Brownwood as 1371.)

http://hsuathletics.collegesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/stats/2005-2006/teamcume.html

You can say that D3 attendance estimates are bogus.  Pat Coleman saw the January 2005 McMurry-HSU game.   Here is the photo gallery that shows 2000 screaming fans at a McMUrry-HSU game.

http://www.d3hoops.com/gallery.php?gallery=36835

West Texas is truly one of the hotbeds of Women's Basketball.

RMC is probably fortunate that they caught HSU in Tacoma!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 12, 2006, 01:27:28 pm
[Attendance was 147 ??? >:(
Guess not much draw in Washington for a Texas-Virginia game.
Couldn't sectional inclusion criteria be improved?

147?!?!? There were more at the Upwards Basketball game at First Baptist Church in Anytown, Texas than that! 

I don't know how many people I would expect under similar circumstances here in Texas but I would think that hosting a tournament like that would draw some of the community! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 02:09:20 pm

  I don't mind the paltry attendance figures. 



I would think the NCAA would be embarrassed.  :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 12, 2006, 02:23:35 pm
RMC[/url] web site, I see that the Jackets played to one crowd of 1000.

Life in the ASC-West is much different.  Hardin-Simmons, McMurry and Howard Payne play before thousands of fans several times in the season. 

I don't know which game that was. Maybe a regular season game on a snowy night?
RMC also has to compete in a market with 2 D I schools.
I was at the Regionals and the gym was full.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 02:57:26 pm
Schadenfreude  (shah'  den froi' duh)  "glee in the misfortune of others"

The other day, my devotional lesson dealt with the "commandment" -- Thou shalt not commit schadenfreude.  ;)

The serious fans on this message board began dealing with this when we realized that it was HSU and not our respective alma maters would be the first school to make the Final Four.

Schadenfreude's co-conspirator is "in-your-face-fandom" type of bad sportsmanship.  Sportmanship means you don't smash your opponents' face in the result of a game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: bcal on March 12, 2006, 03:13:36 pm
H-SU carries ASC banner for all of us.  There is no greater respect than between teams who have met on the field and gave it their best on a given night.

All of us in the ASC, East or West, want the Cowgirls to do well.  Win it ALL!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 05:59:07 pm
Okay, now I am really mad! >:( >:(

I have 84 points in the Women's Pick'em contest for 22nd place out of 340.  I had McMurry to win it all.  So far, HSU has knocked me out of being in 2nd place with 99 points.

It will take an incredible amount of sportmanship on my part considering what HSU has done to me, but I must remember my devotional...Thou shalt not commit Schadenfreude.

 :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 12, 2006, 06:00:42 pm
Schadenfreude  (shah'  den froi' duh)  "glee in the misfortune of others"

The other day, my devotional lesson dealt with the "commandment" -- Thou shalt not commit schadenfreude.  ;)

The serious fans on this message board began dealing with this when we realized that it was HSU and not our respective alma maters would be the first school to make the Final Four.

Schadenfreude's co-conspirator is "in-your-face-fandom" type of bad sportsmanship.  Sportmanship means you don't smash your opponents' face in the result of a game.


Excellent advise, Ralph, but what prompted this?  I have seen nothing but cross-conference support.  As many have said, this is a very good thing for the ASC as a whole.  This tells the world that the ASC can be a formidable foe.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2006, 06:03:43 pm
Paint,  Pre-emptive...for the lurkers! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 12, 2006, 06:16:46 pm
Coulda, shoulda, woulda. I'm still sulking. I think any of our three teams would have faired well, but HSU got it done when they needed to. And you know Sonya still has a year of eligibility left, I know of two of the HSU players getting married this summer I think, wouldn't be setting up next year's team yet, and who will stay and who will go is a question not answered until the bell rings for school next year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 12, 2006, 07:14:54 pm
Of course you are absolutely right, fanstand!

But "insiders" say Sonya West will graduate in December...

But many things can happen between now and then...to any team!  Look at the injuries to HSU's QB's last year in football. :'(

etc., etc., etc.,

But hey, maybe it will help in recruiting...the HSU Cowgirls are getting some great experience in "away" games...and exposure in the press, etc... ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 12, 2006, 07:18:41 pm
An interesting comment from Shanna Briggs closes the article on yesterday night's game in today's Abilene Reporter-News at
http://reporternews.com/abil/sports/0,1874,ABIL_8049,00.html
"When you think your season is over, you tend to become brutally honest," she is quoted as saying.  "And that actually might have been the best thing for us."  I don't know what that means, but I suspect what happened was a mark of the leadership ability that has characterized Briggs' tenure at HSU.  Irrespective of the issue of Schadenfreude which Ralph has raised, there is no doubt in my mind that she has done a great job leading her team and capitalizing on opportunities.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 12, 2006, 07:42:12 pm
Well said mcmfan, I believe as you do, that Coach Briggs really got the maximum effort from her players these last couple weeks. I hope all our players from this year return and that next year we are able to have good recruits and get the maximum from our players, because I truly believe in these ladies and think that they would also be able to achieve Final Four status. I know the talent is there at McM, the ASC was very strong this year, and will continue to be next year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 12, 2006, 09:46:22 pm
Congrats to the HSU Cowgirls!  Way to go and good luck against USM!

I'm looking forward to Springfield this coming weekend.  If you're coming, please say "Hi"--I'll be under the baskets shooting pictures for this site.  And, please remember to check out the images on the d3hoops.com website after the games!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on March 12, 2006, 11:35:49 pm
Congrats to the Cowgirls and good luck. I'm glad we have an ASC team representing in the Final Four. Maybe now the ASC will get some much deserved respect.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 12, 2006, 11:37:12 pm
There is absolutely no question that Coach Briggs figured out how to get the most out of her team when it mattered most.  I have asked more than one time this season if coaching made the difference in some of the close games between the conference leaders.  The answer each time I asked was pretty direct - coaching was not the difference.  ???

It would seem that coaching is a real strength for HSU.  It is the complete picture?  Absolutely not.  It is, however, a major, maybe THE major, reason why the Cowgirls are playing in the first-ever ASC Final Four appearance.  Coach Briggs is getting some valuable experience.  She and the HSU Cowgirls will only improve as the result.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 12, 2006, 11:38:44 pm
Paint,  Pre-emptive...for the lurkers! ;)

Gotcha, Ralph!  We'll see what develops!  :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2006, 04:09:44 am

The games were so different.  Not the emotion in tonight's game like last night!  The crowd (or lack thereof) really makes a difference!

Attendance was 147 ??? >:(
Guess not much draw in Washington for a Texas-Virginia game.
Couldn't sectional inclusion criteria be improved?

Where would you have played this game? St. Louis? What's the central location for those four teams?

Would you put both teams in a plane Friday night and played this game on one of the remaining two campuses?

Or are you just upset that Macon didn't get home court two years in a row??
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 06:42:46 am
There is absolutely no question that Coach Briggs figured out how to get the most out of her team when it mattered most.  I have asked more than one time this season if coaching made the difference in some of the close games between the conference leaders.  The answer each time I asked was pretty direct - coaching was not the difference.  ???

It would seem that coaching is a real strength for HSU.  It is the complete picture?  Absolutely not.  It is, however, a major, maybe THE major, reason why the Cowgirls are playing in the first-ever ASC Final Four appearance.  Coach Briggs is getting some valuable experience.  She and the HSU Cowgirls will only improve as the result.

Paint, I must respectfully disagree.

I believe that it is the competition and the expanded Pool C.  The ASC-West is no longer the Cowgirls and the seven dwarves.  The Selection Committee had to believe that the ASC was so strong that the conference deserved 2 Pool C bids, the second going to HSU.  By my assessment, HSU was about #17 or #18 among the 21 Pool C's chosen.  For McMurry and HPU, it is like a bad 1950's Zombie movie.  How many times do you have to defeat HSU to knock them out of the playoffs? :-\ ::) :D :-\

I hope that the Selection Committee persists in its appreciation for Southern basketball.  The South Region got 5 Pool C bids (HPU, HSU, Trinity, Oglethorpe and Bridgewater) and  a Pool B (Maryville TN).

The 2nd Regional Ranking on Feb 15th showed 4 ASC schools (including Miss Coll)!  (If there was ever a reason to consider splitting the conference, the ASC-East has never sent a team to the Playoffs in the 7 years of the Pools system!)

Trinity, the 2003 Champion, which had stayed home in 2005 due to a shortage of Pool C bids, also benefited from the expanded Pool C and was quickly dispatched by the ASC's other Pool C team, HPU, on a neutral floor.

The ASC-West is very tough, and we have not even mentioned UMHB!  This should be interesting in 2006-07!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 13, 2006, 06:43:56 am
Pat, you're jumping all over me and I'm not even complaining! ::)   HSU won!!!  If they had played ANYWHERE else, they might have lost.  :-\  (How can anyone complain when their team is in the Final Four?

Maybe your comments were directed to RMC, but you used a quote by me. I simply made a factual statement (IMHO) that the PLU home crowd made for a very emotional, exciting game for HSU's Cowgirls...on Friday night.  It was one of the best types of game one could hope to listen to.  (Some of the players have even said that the crowd (noise) really gets them "going!")

Believe me, I'm happy that only 147 fans were there...certainly made a "level court" for both teams. ;D  And since they were already there...stay there, it is ridiculous to suggest anything else!

And for HSU to be playing McMurry/HPU @ McMurry (in the first weekend) is practically a "home game"...and the very deserving trip for the Cowgirls is a plus...something I'm sure the team will remember.

No, I'm not complaining...nor or other ASC fans.  (Other than it would have been nice for at least one of the "Texas teams" to have been in another geographical bracket, but how many times do we have to have that explained, so I certainly understand the $$$ situation.)

To answer your question from my (HSU) perspective, the game was played in the right location...home court of the highest seeded team, right?

Thanks for all the coverage of the playoffs.

dsc
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 13, 2006, 06:49:32 am
[quote author=Pat Coleman

Where would you have played this game? St. Louis? What's the central location for those four teams?


Or are you just upset that Macon didn't get home court two years in a row??
Quote

No, RMC had it last year. My question was: is there not a way to plan ahead so that 4 teams from such dispersed locations are in the same sectional?

The regional at RMC was well attended by fans that drove in from Maryland and NC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 13, 2006, 06:51:17 am
[quote author=Ralph Turner link=topic=1526.

  How many times do you have to defeat HSU to knock them out of the playoffs? :-\ ::) :D :-\

....................................... ..........................

Ralph, how about two out of three? ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 06:59:23 am
Like the bad zombie movie, I was thinking that --

--McMurry, as the ASC-West division champion, didn't knock them out.

--The losses to HPU and to UMHB, which knocked them to 3rd in the ASC-West didn't.  (Remember that this is only the 2nd year that the #3 team in the divisions has gone to the expanded ASC Tourney!)

--The loss to ETBU in the first round didn't knock them out!

By the NCAA giving them a "home game" in the McMurry gym to assure a good crowd on Saturday night, the Cowgirls got favorable seeding, not bad for the #18 Pool C bid. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 07:03:39 am
[quote author=Pat Coleman

Where would you have played this game? St. Louis? What's the central location for those four teams?


Or are you just upset that Macon didn't get home court two years in a row??
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No, RMC had it last year. My question was: is there not a way to plan ahead so that 4 teams from such dispersed locations are in the same sectional?

The regional at RMC was well attended by fans that drove in from Maryland and NC.

GAVA, the Championship Handbook does designate the location of the hosting for the Sectional.  Next year, we, the South Region, will be paired with the Great Lakes Region in the Sectionals.

As for hosting, the hosting rotates between Regions.

In 2003, HSU (South Region) hosted, paired with the Central Region.
In 2004, UW-SP (Central Region) hosted, paired with the South.
In 2005, RMC, paired wiht the West.
In 2006, PLU, paired with the South.  :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 13, 2006, 07:07:03 am
Yes, not bad at all!  (I understand your frustration.)

However, HSU's success out west justifies their Pool C selection...IMHO.

Good Luck to the Cowgirls on Friday/Saturday!  Those other teams look "tough."

 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 13, 2006, 07:48:00 am
At the risk of falling into Ralph's Schadenfreude syndrome, it might be noted that in 2005, HSU went 19-3, won the Western Division, and was eliminated in the second round of the ASC tournament.  In 2006, HSU went 18-4, did not win the West, and was eliminated in the first round of the tournament.  Yet in 2006, unlike 2005, HSU got a bid to the playoffs.  Is this just a result of this year's expanded post season pool, or is HSU the zombie Ralph says it is?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 13, 2006, 09:33:02 am
I have said this repeatedly...the NCAA needed one more team to complete the "foursome" at the site of the Conference Champion...McM LIB.

Why not choose a team that is <5> miles away?  :D

Now don't think I am complaining...just an observation.

Many think last year's HSU team deserved an invitation...your point is well taken, mcmfan, about this year...I must admit.

Does anyone else think that maybe the ASC tournament should be limited to the top two teams from East/West?  Someone made the point that McM/HPU had played three games...wearing them down.  HSU was "one and out" (some say "dead"), but it did give them a chance to rest up before the Sub-sectional at McM.  Just a thought... ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 13, 2006, 09:59:11 am
Paint, I must respectfully disagree.

I appreciate the "respect."  We may be treading on pioneer territory here!  :D

From my perspective HSU was toast before the trip to Mississippi.  The way they ended the season with losses to HPU and UMHB was completely unexpected.  Then in Clinton they get spanked by ETBU in the first round. 

Something very significant happened between Clinton and the McM gym.  I would propose that "something" falls squarely at the feet of Coach Briggs.  Had their season ended with a single loss to ETBU I could possibly agree that the Final Four appearance is all part of the expanded Pool C bids.  However, the other losses tell me something was whacked out with the team, something that was identified and corrected by the head coach.  They entered the McM gym as a transformed team.

Yes, the opportunity to shoot for the Final Four is the result of an expanded Pool C bid system.  However, the victories from HPU, McM and everyone else through the Elite Eight is the result of exceptional coaching!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 13, 2006, 10:52:44 am
At the risk of falling into Ralph's Schadenfreude syndrome, it might be noted that in 2005, HSU went 19-3, won the Western Division, and was eliminated in the second round of the ASC tournament.  In 2006, HSU went 18-4, did not win the West, and was eliminated in the first round of the tournament.  Yet in 2006, unlike 2005, HSU got a bid to the playoffs.  Is this just a result of this year's expanded post season pool, or is HSU the zombie Ralph says it is?

Yes, when you invite basically half again as many teams to the playoffs you get many more Pool C bids.  Trinity went 24-3 the year after winning it all and did not get a bid, this year's team with 2x as many losses did. 

Congrats to HSU and good luck in the Final Four!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 10:53:37 am
I have said this repeatedly...the NCAA needed one more team to complete the "foursome" at the site of the Conference Champion...McM LIB.

(a) Why not choose a team that is <5> miles away?  :D

Now don't think I am complaining...just an observation.

Many think last year's HSU team deserved an invitation...your point is well taken, mcmfan, about this year...I must admit.

(b) Does anyone else think that maybe the ASC tournament should be limited to the top two teams from East/West?  Someone made the point that McM/HPU had played three games...wearing them down.  HSU was "one and out" (some say "dead"), but it did give them a chance to rest up before the Sub-sectional at McM.  Just a thought... ???

Two answers to the two questons:

(a) On the Pool C board, I outline the QOWI that the committee used after the ASC Tourney (and all tourneys).  TU has a worse QOWI than HSU.  On the 3rd Regional rankings, HSU is ranked and TU is not.  I think that HSU may be #17 or #18 and TU is #20 or #21.

(b) If we wish to pare this to a 2-night tourney, why not split the conference in half?  There is something to be said for 6-7 teams contending for the 3rd and 4th tourney slots going into the last weekend of the season.

Finally to respond to paint, I like your assessment of Coach Briggs' coaching job since the ETBU loss.

 Luck is when preparation meets opportunity!

If the Zombie analogy motivates the Cowgirls, I will waive any copyright provisions. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2006, 10:55:48 am
Good morning, Ron!

With the extra Pool C bids, I can see the ASC and SCAC getting 1-2 Pool C bids every year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 13, 2006, 11:01:17 am
Good morning, Ron!

With the extra Pool C bids, I can see the ASC and SCAC getting 1-2 Pool C bids every year.

And, unfortunately, along with the resulting Texas subregional that will eliminate all but the strongest.  Southwestern will get into the mix in the next year or two ... Coach Ruder is too strong for that program to be down for long. 

Such is life in D3 ... if the eventual winner goes as far as HSU this year, I guess that's OK. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 13, 2006, 11:07:57 am
Just to lighten things up...

Forget DIII--is there a better name than TonTon Balenga in all of college sports?   This, of course, with all due respect to Pops Mensah Bonsu and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute!   :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on March 13, 2006, 11:30:17 am
I need help...I'm trying to organize a trip to the Final Four this weekend.  Where should we fly into?  Looks like there's no airport in Springfield.

Help!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 13, 2006, 12:13:59 pm
I need help...I'm trying to organize a trip to the Final Four this weekend.  Where should we fly into?  Looks like there's no airport in Springfield.

Help!

The host website might help:

http://www.springfieldcollege.edu/ncaa/championship.nsf/index

as well as the local tourism site:

http://www.valleyvisitor.com/

Not like this is a very big area.  How about flying into Providence RI where Southwest flies?  85 miles away.   Hartford, CT is even closer, 30 miles (and SW flies there, too).  Boston is 90 miles but I hate driving through downtown Boston. 

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 13, 2006, 12:51:59 pm
I was going to suggest Hartford--that's the closest and most convenient. 

Stay out of Boston Logan at all costs. 

Worcester would be better than Providence--can't get there from here sort of thing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on March 13, 2006, 01:17:03 pm
Thanks to both of you!  You've been a lot of help.  Gonna fly into Hartford.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2006, 01:21:32 pm
There's a big huge box on the front page with flight info. One for Salem (fly to ROA) and one for Springfield (fly to BDL).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: GAVA on March 13, 2006, 09:27:35 pm
Quote from: Ralph Turner uote


GAVA, the Championship Handbook does designate the location of the hosting for the Sectional.  Next year, we, the South Region, will be paired with the Great Lakes Region in the Sectionals.

As for hosting, the hosting rotates between Regions.

In 2003, HSU (South Region) hosted, paired with the Central Region.
In 2004, UW-SP (Central Region) hosted, paired with the South.
In 2005, RMC, paired wiht the West.
In 2006, PLU, paired with the South.  :)
Quote

Thanks for the info Ralph. So it sounds like it will be years before we are paired with the West again. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 15, 2006, 12:38:14 am
Just saw the All-region list. I'm happy that Tarra was on the first team, but no where is Symbri Tuttle. That is wrong. She leads the DIII nation in assists (8.1 per game) that is at least 16 pts per game, and no mention of her. We won the west outright and the conference championship, but that won't be what we hear about. Guess just fuel for the fire. Oh well.....
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 15, 2006, 11:04:23 am
Fan,  got the cheese and bread for all that whine.


Get Over it.  No one gets two people on the first team.   You are talking about the best in the country.  One stat doesn't make it.      And I did hear that little complaint.    "We won the  conference  but all we are going to hear is about HSU going to the final four."     Maybe now you will understand the intensity of the pressure that HSU went through in winning all those championships and going on in the big dance.   It is hard enough to win the west, then you the playoffs.  You won that,  MCM will have that written into their records for all time.  Enjoy it.   But  HSU went 2-1 against MCM and HPU for the year.   That is why they got to go to Washington and do something that no ASC team had ever done.  Over the years  since the Texas teams went DIII the school always fought hard in league,  but when the rep was selected they closed ranks.  Last year you didn't hear the cowgirl fans disrespecting HPU.   In fact when MCM won the ASC no one had anything but respect for the deserving champ.    But the season wasn't over.   Let us enjoy what HSU has earned.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 15, 2006, 11:28:42 am
You know cal, I didn't say she deserved first team, but no mention....I haven't said anything against HSU and their accomplishments. I have not made excuses or blamed anyone but ourselves. McM had 3 and only 3 losses this year, twice to HSU, once to HPU by 1 point. We also had a great season, but you don't live in this place.  McM will not get the recognition around here, in the paper or on the tube for the next year. I read the paper and watch the news, that's not your fault you don't see and hear. Give it to HSU, they made it. I have been relatively quiet about our loss after the tourney, no excuses, but one thing remains with me. I made the trip to Mississippi. I watched all the games. HSU lost on Friday, they are home Saturday, sleeping in their own beds, we are playing two more games, then traveling late Sunday and not arriving home until late Monday afternoon. Its a long trip, it took me two days to recover and I didn't play any basketball, yes I'm old, but still it's hard to come back. So HSU had the advantage, I've given their coach props, so it's no excuse, but our team had an exceptional year also. When someone like Symbri is as consistent all year, every game, and broke all kinds of records, I don't see why she was not on the list, not 1st, 2nd or even 3rd. I'll take your cheese and bread and toast my team anyway!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsufan on March 15, 2006, 12:09:11 pm
McM had a great year.  They won the West title.  They had the best record in McM history.  They were the team to beat for most of the games played.  That is a terrific accomplishment.  And no one can take that away from them.  However, HSU has done something no other ASC team has.  They may have gotten in by the back door but they have proved they SHOULD be in the running.  The girls did think their season was over in Mississippi and did a lot of soulsearching.  When Hauk went down, she was the team's leader.  Two days later, the team gets the news that Conaway's sister was killed.  These girls are a very caring bunch and it was kinda like they were shell shocked for the next few games.  According to the weekly press release, no one was READY to step into Hauk's shoes.  When the powers that be decided to give HSU an at-large bid, all the girls had something to prove.  Mentally, they were changed.  Cisneros has had a terrific tournament.  And, fanstand, I do know how it is in Abilene.  HSU does get a lot of press coverage and the press didn't mind sharing the losses either.  There is a lot of competition for air time/print coverage when you have 3 colleges within a 10 mile radius.  Since you were in Mississippi, did you see the McM girls STANDING AND CHEERING for ETBU when they beat HSU???  Or after the sub-sectional game, Coach Nichols heading to the locker room without shaking the HSU girls hands?
On another note, sometimes they give awards that don't make sense.  Danielle Furr (from SulRoss) got the ASC defensive player of the year award. Hauk had more steals and assists in less games than she did but Furr scores more points. The coaches or whoever votes for these awards don't take into account things that aren't in the stat book -- like leadership, hustle, or shutting down an opponents top player. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 15, 2006, 02:40:58 pm
Thanks hsufan, not only for what you said, but how you said it. Yes, I did see the girls cheering for ETBU, I know HSU players would be cheering for them (ETBU) too. I believe that is part of the rivalry, they didn't want to face each other, I believe that to be part of the competitiveness. I try not to cheer for or against another team, unless we are actually playing them. I sit and watch and not cheer either way. I did not see what Coach Nichols did after the game, sorry, so I can't really comment on that, he was probably pretty emotional but that wouldn't be an excuse for that. I think we all do things in the heat of the moment. No matter what happens this weekend, I know next year will be as intense in the ASC, West and East, and hopefully, finally we have come to be a force to be reckoned with nationally, not only from one team but 3 or 4 teams. There is plenty of room on the top for all of us.........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 16, 2006, 02:04:59 am
  I only have one more comment about this past years MCM team.   They had a great year,  they get to put up a conference banner that they have earned. 

Now as for HSU.   If any of the players read any of this I just want to say you have really made all the purple and gold fans really proud. 

Facing three teams that all have won twenty or more games in a row is sort of  scary.    But on the other hand you have to think that none of them have any respect for you and the Cowgirls can use that.  No one in Tacoma had any respect either and now they are back at home.  Just two more.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 16, 2006, 08:07:11 am
Good luck to the Cowgirls.

Two things that the media types will try to say are a factor:  travel and crowd.

Travel--the bus trip to LaCollege and MissColl is a real road trip.  That was a verrryyyyy lonnnnnnngggggggg ride home from Clinton last month.  Now that is a road trip.  You have just had a flight to an interesting part of the country.

Crowd--The Blake Center holds 2000.  You play before 2000 very vocal fans very frequently.  Just imagine that the loud obnoxious ones are from HPU or McM!   ;D ;D

Good luck to the Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thejungle on March 16, 2006, 12:25:56 pm
Fanstand:  I get it.  I understand where you're coming from.  It's frustrating going one and out after an absolutely amazing season...But that's the drama of the playoffs, and sometimes the team who's been good MOST of the year isn't the team to beat at that time.  Timing is everything when it comes to March Madness.

For the rest of the McM fans:  I have a horrible truth to tell...So horrible I dare not utter these words aloud...Nay, writing them is cause of pain enough.  I actually have LOVED rooting for the cowgirls the last two weeks...I know, Ralph, get off the floor, it's gonna be okay.  Seriously though, we always say go ASC and I think we mean it.  BUT, this time it's been an absolute joy to watch (or listen to) HSU make this run...I've found myself cheering them on, and hoping for the best.  Thank you Cowgirls...And as much pain as it causes after 16 years of watching the games as an Indian:  GO COWGIRLS!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 16, 2006, 12:42:48 pm
Jungle, you are a journalist!  You must maintain a modicum of objectivity. :D  ;D

I just hope you began enjoying rooting for the Cowgirls at 10:30 pm on Friday 3rd!

After the bracket that we got and the first round loss, I began rooting for the ASC, then Texas.

This is a different manner to show the ASC is not a one-trick pony, but the 3rd place team in the ASC-West is in the
Final Four.  There are a bunch of good teams here. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2006, 10:31:14 am
Would someone DVD the HSU-USM game for me?

I have to work this pm.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 17, 2006, 12:32:40 pm
Wow Ralph, aren't you an ob/gyn? You doing surgery or something, what doc works on Friday afternoons? I've worked in the field for nearly 12 years, and no docs round here work on Friday afternoons?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2006, 12:54:00 pm
Sometimes you just have to! ;)

Actually, Wednesday is when I do not routinely schedule patients.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 17, 2006, 04:43:27 pm
I am so excited.   I am watching the game on the webcast.
It is the first time to see the girls.   SM is very good.  We are only getting one shot at the basket.   Down by nine at the half.  Still lots of game to be played.   Score is 32-23
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 17, 2006, 05:00:02 pm
CalHSU:

Glad you're enjoying the webcast.  Thanks for tuning in.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on March 17, 2006, 05:38:31 pm
heck of a comeback for HSU in the 2nd half down by 18 at one time.  Makes you wonder what the score could be if those shots in the 1st half wouldn't have rolled in and out....


Congrats on a great season HSU...way to represent your team, school and the ASC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 17, 2006, 05:42:07 pm
CalHSU:

Glad you're enjoying the webcast.  Thanks for tuning in.

Webcast was great!  Sorry, Cowgirls!  You made us all proud for the come back!  You nearly did it!

Thanks for the season.  You'll be back next year!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 17, 2006, 05:43:28 pm
They lost by nine but it was much closer than that.  They were within four and missed they didn't, and foul shots ended the game.    

The webcast was great.   They showed their heart after getting blow off the court at the first of the second half.   A couple more few throws,  (which they missed very few) .  They still have a game to play and I hope they give it their all.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: realist on March 17, 2006, 06:01:17 pm
It definitely was an impressive comeback for HSU.  I was very impressed they kept fighting.  I have seen a number of midwestern teams play (including Hope) and I think HSU would give most if not all of them a good run for the money.  I know it is hard to see the season end, but making it this far is better than most teams can claim.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 17, 2006, 06:12:14 pm
They lost by nine but it was much closer than that.  They were within four and missed they didn't, and foul shots ended the game.    

The webcast was great.   They showed their heart after getting blow off the court at the first of the second half.   A couple more few throws,  (which they missed very few) .  They still have a game to play and I hope they give it their all.

They drew to 53-55.  Very good effort!

The season is not over.  The 3rd place game is tomorrow! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 17, 2006, 08:53:32 pm
Great effort by HSU tonight;  almost an incredible comeback.  First half was a bit rough and our undoing, but kudos to the team for the way they fought back.  This team clearly belongs in the same league as the other three teams in Springfield, and have a lot to look forward to--both tomorrow and next season.

Congrats, Cowgirls.  I'm glad I got to see you in Springfield.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsufan on March 18, 2006, 12:12:07 pm
Is there a problem with the live feed for the consolation game?  I'm getting nothing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 18, 2006, 01:10:40 pm
Halftime-- Scranton 33, HSU 17.


It was 11-9 Scranton at 14:00.  They just pulled away.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: hsufan on March 18, 2006, 02:07:09 pm
Not the ending to our run that we were hoping for but it was a respectable showing.  Couldn't really buy a bucket today but played great defense.  Cowgirls will be back next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 18, 2006, 02:10:36 pm
Very bad game for the Cowgirls.   Maybe one 3 pt  shot for them,  Scranton had several.  Horrible free throw %  
I really didn't like the officals calls but that was not why they lost.

It was a big show that they need more experience to win games at.   HSU still has not beat teams from the east.  They won the south and west but as Ralph always points out you need lots of muscle to play with the big girls up north.

I am very glad to have actually got to see the girls in person after all these years.  When I come to Abilene in October I hope to shake hands with at least the coach.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 18, 2006, 02:51:10 pm
Simply making the tournament is a huge accomplishment for any team.  Winning any games in that national tournament is a bigger accomplishment.  Getting to the Final Four is something most teams will never experience! 

I heard someone on an ESPN Radio call in show describe teams that consistently make the tournament but not winning as "over rated."  Truth be told, simply making the tournment on a consistent basis is an indication that the program is healthy and superior to most.  The national tournament is a tough road!  The road to the Final Four is a very difficult one. 

An end-of-season congratulations to McMurry Lady Indians, Howard Payne Lady Jackets  and the Hardin Simmons CowgirlsWhat a terrific year!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 19, 2006, 10:52:05 pm
I have a request for Jungle on his radio show!

Please dedicate an entire radio show to your observation in Springfield.

Please cover the subjects:

--Springfield and Hall of Fame
--the other teams you saw.  Physical make-up, tempo, ball-handling, inside game, size, strength, depth, etc.
--the refereeing at that level...styles?  characteristics?  etc.
--How much better were Hope and USM?
--What does the ASC need to do to get back to the Final Four and win this time?

Please give us the hyperlink when you record the show, jungle!

I think that you put a curse on HSU when you acknowledged that you were secretly rooting for them.  If that was Machiavellian brilliance on your part, then mission accomplished.  :D ;D :D ;D :D ;) 8)

Oops, I apologize.  Thou shalt not commit Schadenfreude!  :D

Only 7 more months to hoops season again! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on March 19, 2006, 11:09:17 pm
Having been out of town for a week, and without access to a computer, it is interesting now reading all the comments since my last post.  I'd just like some clarification from a comment that hsufan made at the start of the week.

1. The McM fans cheered ETBU when they beat HSU in the first ASC tournament sectional.  Why is this a big deal?  I remember back in 2000 when we at McM hosted a visiting team in the playoffs and HSU had a bye, the HSU players actually driving across town to McM to cheer the team we were playing.  That seems to be part of the rivalry between the two schools, and something both teams have done when they've had the chance.  It doesn't seem to prevent a lot of respect between the players of the two teams outside heated game situations.

2. Coach Nichols didn't shake the hands of the HSU girls after that ETBU-HSU game.  Maybe I don't understand basketball ediquette, but since he was simply watching the game and not one of the actual coaches involved in playing it, why should he shake their hands?  At the HPU-Trinity game at McM, I saw both coaches Briggs and Nichols in the audience, scoping out the two teams.  I didn't stay for the end; but did either of them shake the hands of the players of the losing team?
 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 20, 2006, 01:32:50 am
Quote from: hsufan link=topic=1526.msg508444#ms

Or after the sub-sectional game, Coach Nichols heading to the locker room without shaking the HSU girls hands?
 
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mcmfan,

I believe hsufan was talking about the game between McM and HSU...when he mentioned the above incident.  I wasn't there, but when I read his comment, I took it this way.

...and I agree, it is NOT a big deal when members of a third team cheer another team's loss, that is a distinct rival...such as most all of the Texas teams are!!! :D

Congrats to all the Basketball Teams...it was a great year...and next year will only be better! 8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 20, 2006, 08:45:40 am
I completely agree that it is no big deal nor a problem at all for a spectator team to be cheering for a particular team or against another team.  McM obviously hoped to meet ETBU and not HSU in a future game.  There is an old expression, "It's lonely at the top," and that certainly applies in basketball.

As to a basketball coach not shaking the hands of the players of an opposing team, that is complete nonsense and indicates a real absence of personal integrity.  A few years ago when HPU played HSU in Abilene, HPU nearly pulled off an upset, losing by two.  Handshakes were not exchanged between a head coach and the opposing team.  It was a ridiculous end to an exciting, well-played game.

There is a huge difference between a competitive spirit, displayed in cheering against a particular team, and childish pouting, displayed in a refusal to shake the hands of an opposing team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 20, 2006, 09:54:18 am
I have a request for Jungle on his radio show!
--Springfield and Hall of Fame
--the other teams you saw.  Physical make-up, tempo, ball-handling, inside game, size, strength, depth, etc.
--the refereeing at that level...styles?  characteristics?  etc.
--How much better were Hope and USM?
--What does the ASC need to do to get back to the Final Four and win this time?

I can give you my take, Ralph, FWIW:

*   I didn't have time to see the "new" HOF.  The original HOF was on the Springfield campus, but there are very, very few traces of it left on campus.  The original building is still there, but it's being used as classroom space for SC's Allied Health studies program.  The only original pieces left have been moved to Blake Arena, and are comprised of 6-8 stained glass pieces paying homage to basketball pioneers, including Dr. Naismith.

*   I didn't see a big difference in size or quickness between the HSU players and the other teams.  The post players from the other teams tended to be a hair quicker and were probably better ball handlers than HSU's, but HSU was certainly in the same league as the other teams.  The other teams were deeper on the bench, though.  Hope, Scranton and USM all were able to get more consistent minutes (and scoring) out of their bench than HSU was (at least this weekend).  Plus, the other three teams were more experienced at this level--which is an intangible you can't really quantify, but is noticable and invaluable nonetheless (ask the Arkansas Razorbacks, hehehe   ;) ) 

*   The officiating was pretty good, IMO.  The zebras let the girls play, and called fouls when they needed to.  Of course, there will always be people that question the calls, but outside of a VERY few questionable whistles--which had no real noticable impact on the final outcomes--I'd give the stripes a 'A' overall.  Nice job by those folks.

*   I don't know how HSU would have fared against Hope, but I can tell you that they (meaning Hope) would be a strong contender in the Division I Patriot League I've been covering.  They match up well size and quickness-wise with those girls.  I also think they were clearly A) the hottest, B) the best, or C) all of the above team out of the four.  The Dutch really deserve the title, IMO.

HSU played USM tight, especially in the second half.  Had HSU been able to put together a better first half, it could very easily have been HSU against Hope in the finals.  The second half the Cowgirls put up against USM was some of the best women's hoops I've seen in awhile.  On the other hand, HSU never really got in sync against Scranton.  Could be the letdown, could be all the travel and fatigue, could just be that Scranton was simply a superior team.  I don't know, but they just looked lethargic the whole game.  I'm not sure the margin between Scranton and USM and HSU is all that much, and that given 10 games each against each other, all the teams wouldn't have a .500 record.

*   I think, moving forward, the ASC can, and will get back to the Final Four.  One of the inheirent disadvantages we're going to face, however, is the lack of "outside" competition until the sectional round, i.e. when there are three teams from the same conference and Trinity--who I think all three teams had played in the regular season, but might be wrong.  It would seem that there's not a noticable difference in styles, size, quickness or athleticism from what these girls see in the regular season to really help ASC teams "step it up" in the sectionals.  If our schools can play some tougher (or at least non-south central US) non-conference opponents, I think it would really serve to get these girls more mentally prepared for these rounds.

That, and more experience on the "big stage", is what will help an ASC team get back to the Final Four and win next time.

I know you asked George, but that's my take on the weekend.  It was a lot of fun being there, and I hope everyone checks out the photo galleries, which are up and running. 

It was also really neat to see Shanna Briggs on the sidelines for HSU.  Shanna and I were both at HSU at the same time, and both basketball players (she much better than I).  It made me nostalgic for the old times and made me wonder about what's happened to my old basketball friends--men's and women's--since graduation.  I'm happy that Shanna has been able to build on the solid foundation she inheirited, and will look forward to (hopefully) many more successful years with her at the helm of the Cowgirls program.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 20, 2006, 09:56:30 am

  There is an old expression, "It's lonely at the top," and that certainly applies in basketball.



Another "old" expression that Marines use:  "It's not bragging, if it is the truth!" ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 20, 2006, 10:01:17 am
Thanks, Josh!

Great report...
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on March 20, 2006, 10:04:34 am
As to a basketball coach not shaking the hands of the players of an opposing team, that is complete nonsense and indicates a real absence of personal integrity.  A few years ago when HPU played HSU in Abilene, HPU nearly pulled off an upset, losing by two.  Handshakes were not exchanged between a head coach and the opposing team.  It was a ridiculous end to an exciting, well-played game.  

Agreed, but I know Coach Nichols to be (personally) a pretty decent guy.  And, while I didn't see what happened, I hope that he doesn't get pigeon-holed based on one particular thing, but rather everyone can respect the aggregate of his contributions to the McM community.  

Looking back, I would imagine that he'd do it differently if he could do it again.  Even as a HSU fan, I can respect the program he's been able to build over on South 14th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2006, 02:52:37 pm
Josh, thanks for the posting!  I am glad that you answered the request.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 20, 2006, 03:16:51 pm
I didn't see what happened, but I bet Coach Nichols shook Coach Briggs hand, and while the HSU girls were celebrating after the win, he probably headed to the locker room, not really thinking about it. The girls probably took longer than normal during their celebration, I doubt it was anything meant towards the players. But like I said I really wasn't paying attention.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2006, 03:37:47 pm
Congratulations to Tarra Richardson, 2nd team All-American Center...only one of 3 sophomores named.

http://www.d3hoops.com/tow/06/womallam06.htm
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 21, 2006, 01:00:47 pm
The All-American selections remind me of the value of a well-blanced team.  HSU was able to control Randolph-Macon's Player of the Year, Megan Silva, and advance to the Final Four!  HSU has had their share of incredible players in recent years and went farther without such talent this year than in any previous season! 

I'm already looking forward to next season!  :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 21, 2006, 06:41:35 pm
Gee I hope the great non hand shaking scandel is finished.
What a big deal over nothing.   I know lots of nice and good people who could walk off a court after losing a game  like that.   I'll give MCM grief over lots of stuff and its hard core fans,  but not over something that means nothing.

Josh I thought your remarks were right on the mark on the HSU apperance at Springfield.   It really is all about levels of play.   HSU has worked years to get to that level and found it a pretty tough place to be.  It took more than one elite eight apperance to go farther and now the program can actually talk about a day when they might win a national championship.   

As far as next year they will have to have someone step up big to replace West.   I really like the play of the point guard,  I thought she got some terrible calls but over all I thought she did a good job.  If she was the second string then that postion  should be fine.   The forwards are fine.  It really all come down if they can rebound.  They will have some seniors that I feel will one to get back to the final four.
A great freshmen class is  also needed.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 21, 2006, 07:23:49 pm
Gee I hope the great non hand shaking scandel is finished.
What a big deal over nothing.   

I know you were writing tongue-in-cheek, but there really was no scandal.  I do appreciate, however, your bringing it up again.  Maybe with a little fanning the flame will burn a little brighter!   ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 24, 2006, 07:45:42 pm
Since fanning is the family name I am always doing a little of it.

I guess this means the page is dead till sometime in the summer when we get some word on any players leaving a team or coming to a team. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on March 26, 2006, 10:36:36 pm
Right...but there is a baseball board.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on March 27, 2006, 03:47:50 pm
The American Southwest will be one tough conference next year.  Besides HSU having no seniors  I noticed at the Confernce tourney of the the 8 teams there, 1 team had 5 Srs. and the most on any team for the other 7 teams were 2 Seniors.  It will be a great season for watching girls basketball!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on March 28, 2006, 01:49:52 pm
No seniors on HSU?  What about Sonya West?  I thought she was a senior!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on March 28, 2006, 06:24:28 pm
Technically West is not a senior but I think it has been suggested she will graduate before next season. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on March 31, 2006, 05:43:20 pm
You know we talk about players coming back or not. What about coaches? TLU coach resigned, I don't look for changes in the conference but who knows? This is the time of the year there are offers put on the table. There could be changes in that area too. Who is to say......just something to ponder over the long offseason. You never know. Sweet deals are sometimes made, offers you can't refuse................
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2006, 07:05:17 pm
Here is a big-time coaching change in the ASC-West.

TLU's Volleyball Coach Brandi Bradley is leaving TLU to take a job at Dell Computer and to move closer to family.

Coach Bradley took the Lady Bulldogs to the Sweet 16 in 2004.  She had ASC-West titles in 2003 and 2004.

http://www.tlu.edu/athletics/volleyball/news/060321_bradley_resigns.html
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on April 04, 2006, 01:52:45 am
LC gets new Women's Basketball Coach today ... Here is the link to the article ... http://thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060403/SPORTS/60403009

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 04, 2006, 01:58:41 pm
Found some interesting stuff in a google search. Her Montana State win-loss record was missing from the school release, so I went looking for it and found a lot more than that:

http://www.d3hoops.com/news.php?date=2006-04-04
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on April 04, 2006, 08:59:46 pm
I guess that could be taken two different ways...   ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2006, 09:32:27 pm
If you google Robin Potera-Haskins you will find she has thrived in the smaller faith-based programs in the Texas.  Her success at Wilmer-Hutchins HS, Austin College and Texas Wesleyan should be reproduced at LC.

She is familiar with the ASC, even before the expansion since 1999.  She should relate very well to Louisiana Women Cagers.  I think that the ASC-East just got tougher, and she is a good fit for LC.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 04, 2006, 09:35:46 pm
I guess that could be taken two different ways...   ???

Well, if the record had been in the release, no need to go looking.

Heh, and for that matter, if the release had actually been sent to us, definitely no need to go looking for info. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on April 04, 2006, 09:38:10 pm
That point isn't lost on me--I feel your pain. 

I just wonder what the MSU guy meant by "fit".  Sorry, should've clarified that I read the release and was curious.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 04, 2006, 09:44:54 pm
An AP story I read elsewhere referenced players leaving over excessive amounts of practice time, with some interesting statements from a parent of a player. However, I couldn't find another story where those allegations were addressed, so I decided to leave it out of our news story.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 04, 2006, 10:14:23 pm
Pat, her stint at Austin College tells me she can live within the time constraints in D3.

I also assume that the hiring committee at LC did their due diligence on issues of "university fit".

I appreciate your coverage of her hiring.  I just hope that the LC SID thought of you first, but I am not sure. :-\ ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on April 05, 2006, 11:22:46 am
Why in the article that is posted on D3 Hoops is an added section about her that is not in our press release?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 05, 2006, 12:19:57 pm
Because we are a news site, not a Louisiana College PR site. We augment school's news releases with additional information all the time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on April 05, 2006, 02:11:52 pm
Ok ... I'm sorry I didn't know. Well anyway I am the assistant coach for the Men's team and we researched her very well. There is more details behind that story. She is a great Christian woman that I believe will fit well into the Lady Cats program.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 05, 2006, 02:26:28 pm
I'm sure she will, and as Ralph mentioned, she has done well at like institutions. However, a news story should include as many facts as are available. Obviously a school's news release doesn't have the same mission. Why the local paper didn't do the research is another question.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 05, 2006, 02:44:27 pm
LC-DBO, I suspect that your new women's coach has had her life's epiphany.

When she was younger, she was very successful at a challenging job at Wilmer-Hutchins, and at a well-respected D3 school, Austin College, and then she made the jump to D2, bringing success to a tough program at Texas Wesleyan.

When the chance to move to D1 opened, she moved an had success in the conference and the W-L columns.

Whatever transpired in the Montana State University's perception of "fit" is where she met her match.  Things happened.  She experienced a situation in which I will bet her faith carried her through.  She moved to Winthrop (a D1 as an assistant) in an environment more to her liking and where she could assess what she needed to be doing next.

She has probably determined what she needs to be doing next, and assuming that she is a good "theological" fit for Louisiana College by virtue of the due diligence you have done on her, she has probably found her calling.

There are lots of very good women's players and programs coming out of Louisiana, LSU, LaTech, Coach Kim Mulkey-Robinson at Baylor, Southland Conference schools...

I anticipate that she will be very successful at LC.  I hope that she has found her home. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LC-DBO on April 05, 2006, 08:07:04 pm
Here is an article in today's paper that helps everyone see who see really is and why is a great pick for our program ... http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060405/SPORTS/604050321/1006
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 05, 2006, 08:23:25 pm
Nice to see the newspaper almost doing its homework. I always thought it was better to get both sides of the story but at least it got one side of the story instead of the zero it got the last time around.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on April 05, 2006, 08:32:24 pm
Good article;  sounds like they asked the appropriate questions.

This account is sort o what I expected to see, honestly, and I'd be absolutely fine with the hire if I were an LC supporter.  Looks like the new coach is going to be one to firmly stick to her guns--even under pressure.  I know that's something that the LC folks will welcome.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2006, 09:03:00 am
Good to see that McMurry is picking up some good recruits.

Cassie Lyles, (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=170) a 6'0" post "with a shooter's touch" from Benjamin HS is coming to McMurry.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on May 30, 2006, 09:41:53 pm
Just a note, heard today that Julie Goodenough got a DI job in South Carolina. I'm sorry don't remember the name of the school, but since things are so slow thought I might throw that out there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 30, 2006, 10:43:15 pm
Just a note, heard today that Julie Goodenough got a DI job in South Carolina. I'm sorry don't remember the name of the school, but since things are so slow thought I might throw that out there.

fanstand, thanks for the post. 

I "googled" Julie Goodenough and found out that Julie is running a crochet web site.

http://www.juliegoodenough.com/

You know, crocheting may prevent technical fouls, if you can control the crochet hooks! :D ;) :) ::) 8)

Julie is going to Charleston Southern in the Big South Conference, the conference to which Birmingham Southern belongs.

http://www.bigsouthsports.com/
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on June 04, 2006, 06:46:57 pm
Just a note, heard today that Julie Goodenough got a DI job in South Carolina. I'm sorry don't remember the name of the school, but since things are so slow thought I might throw that out there.

I hope Coach Goodnenough has the sort of success she saw at HSU.  She is a terrific person who deserves the best.  She is much more than a great basketball coach - she is a marvelous individual.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on July 31, 2006, 07:55:07 pm
Somebody had to say something.

I wonder why HSU men have had there schedule up for a while and still none for the women?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on August 11, 2006, 01:07:22 am
Finally the HSU schedule.  They are playing Trinity again.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on August 11, 2006, 02:28:13 pm
GOOD!  I hope HSU is playing as many true national contenders as possible! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 12, 2006, 12:54:20 pm
GOOD!  I hope HSU is playing as many true national contenders as possible! 

I know that they play Defending (2006) ASC Champion McMurry at least twice, and maybe as many as four times next year! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on August 13, 2006, 12:16:04 am
I know that they play Defending (2006) ASC Champion McMurry at least twice, and maybe as many as four times next year! ;D

Touché!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on September 15, 2006, 06:28:47 pm
I had a little surprise when I checked the roster.  I wondered who the new six foot senior center was.  Clicked on the picture,  I guess someone got married.   Best wishes,  just wait one year at least for off spring.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on September 15, 2006, 07:36:53 pm
Noticed one of last season's reserve guards (Shamika Conaway) isn't listed on this season's HSU basketball roster. I remember hearing she lost a relative toward the end of last season. Anybody know anything further? (As long as she's OK health-wise).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on September 22, 2006, 05:21:54 pm
I see that HPU is opening the season with Trinity.  Should be a very interesting opening game!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on September 24, 2006, 06:23:01 pm
Seems like a long offseason. Getting ready to gear up and make some predictions. I am ready to stir it up once again. Ready to go toe to toe, calhsu? We could be ready to rumble again.......Last year was a great year for the ASC West, bet this year will be a good one too! The East didn't do so bad either, I think they will be tough this year. But I am not quite ready to make any yet, (predictions that is....) Gentleman and ladies, get your thinking caps on, regular season workouts are about 3 weeks away.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on September 26, 2006, 05:53:11 pm
Fanstand .... so glad to hear you will be around to mix it up this year.  I do agree that it will be a tight   this year.   The years of complete control by HSU are over no doubt about it.  McMurry has won a conference championship and will want more.  HPU beat everyone once and got nothing but knows they were right there.   HSU though, got a monkey off their back,  went to a new level by making the final four.   The biggest questions facing HSU will be how they will be without West,  and will any underclass big bodies step up to fill in.       When I make my trip to Abilene in October  for homecoming I do plan to drive through the McM campus,  no curses I promise.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on September 28, 2006, 02:15:42 pm
Speaking of underclassmen, what are people hearing about incoming freshmen and transfers coming to the different schools.  Are there any difference makers coming into the conference?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on October 17, 2006, 09:43:05 am
Division III News Preseason Poll

1. Scarnton 31-2
2. Southern Maine 32-2
3. Baldwin Wallace 27-5
4. Hope 33-1
5. NYU 18-8
6. DePauw 29-2
7. Bowdoin 27-3
8. Messiah 26-3
9. Wis.-Stout 22-8
10. Carroll 22-5
11. Bates 19-9
12. Bridgewater (Va.) 24-7
13. Mary Washington 29-2
14. Hardin Simmons 24-7
15. Calvin 23-5
16. Wheaton (Ill.) 25-5
17. Wis.- Stevens Point 20-8
18. Wilmington 19-8
19. St. Benedict 21-6
20. Washington (Mo.) 25-3
21. McMurry (26-3)
22. Williams (23-6)
23. Maryville (Tenn.) 23-7
24. Simpson 24-5
25. Salem State 23-5


Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on October 17, 2006, 11:40:58 am
What a bunch of bunk with HSU ranked 14th pre-season and only graduating 1 from the entire roster!  East Coast press....is all I can figure, I was guessing they would come in about 7.   So much for ratings.
      The Am. Sw. will be a dog fight this this.  I believe that at the Conference Tourney last year there were only a total of 7 Seniors on all of the combined rosters.  This will be a very interesting year to see who comes out on top as all the the top teams are very talented. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on October 17, 2006, 11:52:36 am
Conaway for HSU has dropped out of basketball.  She is a nursing major and it is impossible to do both.  Great girl!  Good luck to her!!  HSU will miss her defense as she helped out a great deal during the stretch run to the final 4 with Hauk out with a knee injury.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on October 17, 2006, 02:05:01 pm
These polls are all about politics and who you know anyway!  How else can you explain McM being as low as they are with their talent and HPU not on there at all when they only lost 1 senior that wasn't a regular for them!  I swear, HSU could be 5-20 one season and would still be in the top 25.  Don't get me wrong, they have a lot of talent and solid history, but they tend to get votes they don't always deserve.  It would take numerous losses for them to drop out of the top 25 where as other teams would drop out after only one!  You should be happy with the ranking!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WWWRHH on October 17, 2006, 02:51:51 pm
Having attended the final four in Springfield, it appears to me that the pre-season rankings reflect end of season / tournament performances more than "politics".  D3 fans (and pollsters) have very little opportunity to see and compare out of region teams.  HSU's sound defeat in the semi-finals by a team that was also soundly beat in the finals does little to help the rankings of the foes it dispatched early in the tournament.

Hope, Scranton and Southern Maine had to get past some very tough teams in close games to reach Springfield and those teams are heavily represented above HSU.  The top team have many key performers back.  Hope's #4 ranking is probably due to the loss of two starters (including MVP Bria Ebels), but since the Dutch used a ten person rotation they should be strong again this year.  Scranton also returns a deep team and lost to Hope by only 3 pts. as did U of Washington - St. Louis.

But as we all know, at the end of the year it is wins and losses that matter - not opinions.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on October 17, 2006, 03:44:59 pm
I agree all that matters is what happens at the end of the year.  HSU definitely proved that they belong toward the top with its post season run.  I am looking forward to this season as it should be an exciting one, not that it ever isn't!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on October 17, 2006, 03:46:05 pm
I was also at the Final 4 last year and will agree with you about the top 4 rankings.  However, if what you say is true then how does Wis-Stout come in at #9 when they were so "soundly" defeated by HSU earlier in the tourney.  
   Also, I have not looked on the maps but offhand it looks to me that there are only about 4 teams ranked that are west of the Mississippi.  
    Surely teams like Miss. College( east of the Miss.) Howard Payne, Trinity, and McMurry, and Hardin-Simmons deserve more recognition.  I believe all of these teams return at least 4 starters from excellent teams last year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on October 17, 2006, 04:34:46 pm
Noticed one of last season's reserve guards (Shamika Conaway) isn't listed on this season's HSU basketball roster. I remember hearing she lost a relative toward the end of last season. Anybody know anything further? (As long as she's OK health-wise).
Conaway for HSU has dropped out of basketball.  She is a nursing major and it is impossible to do both.  Great girl!  Good luck to her!!  HSU will miss her defense as she helped out a great deal during the stretch run to the final 4 with Hauk out with a knee injury.

Thanks for the response, I appreciate it. :) ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: WWWRHH on October 17, 2006, 05:17:08 pm
I was trying to be as general as possible and there are always exceptions to the rule when doing so.  However, I tend to agree with you about Stout.  The WIAC's reputation is stronger than its recent results.

I think the primary reason for the small number of teams ranked west of the Missippii is the distribution of Division 3 members.  Of the eight regions listed on D3 Hoops women's posting up section, six are almost entirely in the eastern half of the country (with a couple of exceptions in the SCAC),and the central region is split.  That would indicated that 80% - 90% of D3 members are eastern schools.  That is consistent with 85% of the top 25 coming from the east. (I would do more research, but I am at work  :)).

I alluded to a second issue in my earlier post - since D3 players are students first, travel is limited and most games are in region giving less opportunity for comparison.

If there were more televised games and / or inter-region games we would have more facts with which to debate - but then the board would very likely be less fun.

I wish HSU the very best this season.  I was told by an opposing player that in addition to being tough competitors they were fun to meet.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on October 18, 2006, 10:27:37 am
Thanks for your insight WWWRHH!  All of your reasons were in the back of my mind as I was posting but your response seems to make it much clearer as to the rankings.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on October 18, 2006, 10:59:36 am
It is true that D3 players are students first and that accounts for a lot of in region games, but you have to also attribute the in region games to conference scheduling.  ASC schools have only 3 non conference games a year which makes it very difficult to play outside teams.  Couple that with the extensive and expensive traveling in conference, it doesn't leave much else in the budget!  I do know HPU has traveled a lot in the past few years to east coast schools to try to bring additional exposure but largely has not helped.  Most of the time, it is suggested to play in region teams in order to help your regional ranking throughout the year and that is what gets teams in the tournament if you don't win your conference tournament.  Really, a coach would be more focused on the regional ranking then the national one!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on October 18, 2006, 11:07:12 am
Pre-season predictions are in :

http://www.umhb.edu/athletics/news/3787
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on October 19, 2006, 09:56:21 pm
Well, I guess for once I wasn't ticked at the polls. Happy? Not really, but really not surprised.  I have finally learned polls really don't do much except get the blood boiling and start the controversy.  I was glad that McMurry was very close to being number one.  Nice to see Tarra get preseason POY, she's a stud and with Symbri being a senior, hopefully they can get it done all year long.  We have unfinished business from last year, have a great group back, and hopefully some new faces to fill in places.  Will again try to catch some scrimmages and see some action and then draw some conclusions for myself.  Then I will pass my "humble" opinion on.  Mcm doesn't have a home game until November 30th.  Sure seems like a long time away. But I'll be there with bells on..... Go L.I.B.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on October 20, 2006, 01:54:55 pm
Ralph,

Just just read your May article concerning the plight of McMurry's name change.  It was very informative as I had no idea of your Mascot's history.  Your narrative was heartwarming and compassionate.   It is a shame that our society's values have gotten so turned around that they have to take action concerning a school's mascot.
  It's something I understand but personally will never agree with.
I was at UT-Arlington in 1970 when the mascot was changed from Rebel's to Mavericks due to racial overtones.  Overnite the tradition and school spirit was changed forever.  The name change coincided with the football games moving from small Memorial Stadium on campus to the the Baseball dungeon call Turnpike Stadium.  It was a terrible decision to move.  It was like playing football in a big empty bowl as the fans were 30 to 40 yards away from the sidelines.  UTA eventually built a new stadium on campus and made a loyal effort to re-establish tradition and spirit but it was too late as the alumni and student body never supported the program.  Football was eventually dropped apparently forever.
    Don't let McMurry loose its' Heritage as I now know that there is much, much, more that just a name....Thanks Ralph!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on October 20, 2006, 04:45:02 pm

We go through this every year.

1.  Yes pre season mean nothing.   If you get listed you smile for the weeks before  the season begins.
2.  HSU makes the preseason based on years of winning. 
3.  If you have a good year (as MCmurry did) nothing will change untill the real games take place.   When the (Indians--native americans- tribe-  what ever)  have ten years of winning they will make the pre season poll.
4.  Yes  it will be a great year, very competive. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on October 31, 2006, 11:42:28 am
Just got back from Texas and the HSU reunion.   Wow what a campus.  This week they showed off a new area that has the name of every HSU grad.  It was very impressive. 
Went into the athletic building and said hello to Coach Briggs.  What a nice person. 
I was very shock that one of the HSU staff came up and guessed who I was on this board.  He said he was only a watcher of the board. 
The admistration said over the weekend they want in the future to build a bigger basketball arena.   
Drove all over Texas during the week,  brought back very good memories.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on October 31, 2006, 11:56:16 am
Does anyone know who teams a scrimmaging?  Are there any scrimmages that may be indicative of what kind of team a school will have?  I know some scrimmages are out there and you can't take anything from them (ie. Trinity scrimmaging UT) but surely there are some that would give us some insight!  Is anyone going to any upcoming scrimmages that you can fill us in on talent?  If you can't tell I am ready for games to start! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on October 31, 2006, 11:01:45 pm
HPU men and women are scrimmaging Tarleton State next week...i think it will give a decent indication as to where they stand.  I think the women will fair a lot better than the men will.  HPU's women are stacked this year and it's the deepest team Coach K has ever had.  Expect another record year from the Lady Jackets who have improved every year since he's been the head man.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on November 01, 2006, 10:20:01 am
Cowgirls will scrimmage ACU Friday @ ACU.  I really don't think one can tell much about scrimmages except for seeing what kind of depth a team may have by getting a look at the new faces that may have joined the team and the progress of younger players coming back.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 02, 2006, 02:37:27 pm
Well I see the preseason poll is out for the women.   I will offically serve up the chesse and bread from california because I know that their will be plenty of wine to up in Texas.  HPU and McMurry  rated under HSU.  We all know what happened last year.  Three schools had great seasons.  HPU won a ton of games and made the playoffs.  McM  won the west, won the conference.   That cannot be earsed or forgotten.  HSU lost more games than it usually does but there was the small matter of them GOING TO THE FINAL FOUR.   Yes,  everyone is proud of what they did last year.  With almost everyone having  everyone back,  looks like a great year, again.

What this poll says is that because of a history of year in and year out sucess HSU gets a early reward.    Honestly,  life would go on if HSU was rated lower.   And I know that it really fires McM and HPU to beat the cowgirls.       So this year surprise me.   Maybe only one little whine but don't get to upset over it.  By the end of this month the polls will begin to mean something.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on November 02, 2006, 05:42:43 pm
And here I was thinking it was kinda cool that the ASC West got three teams in the preseason poll.  From my perspective, that's about as much respect as a conference can hope for!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 02, 2006, 06:44:59 pm
You are right,  three ASC teams in the top 20 it is very impressive.  Not sure that it has ever been done in preseason.

My only point was that you know who was rated higher and I thought some might not see the wisdom in that.   There are times I do like to be wrong.   When the Mcmmon and fanstand  greet the poll with joy I will say I was  mistaken.

I will not hold my breath.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 03, 2006, 11:35:16 am
As a new member of the posting board I will add in my two cents about the preseason polls.  I feel it is a good compliment to have 3 conference schools in the rankings, and frankly about time!  I have no doubt that these schools will put on a great showing, but I don't think you can count out UMHB.  They are pretty unrepresented on this board, and no I am not a Cru fan, but feel they deserve some recognition as well.  They were definitely the spoilers down the stretch of the season last year.  Now that their coach has had a solid year under her belt, they could be a contender.  All in all, I am eager to see how the season plays out.  I feel that you don't know who will win on any given night (SU has an improved team, SRSU is always a tough place to play, CUA with their scrappy attitude) and that is what makes this conference great!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2006, 02:42:02 pm
What a bunch of bunk with HSU ranked 14th pre-season and only graduating 1 from the entire roster!  East Coast press....is all I can figure, I was guessing they would come in about 7.

Dunno if anyone has pointed out how far off your assumption is.

D3News is based in OREGON.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 03, 2006, 05:43:25 pm
Joy? Wisdom? I don't think those are words I can use for the polls.  Yes, I recognize that the ASC has three in the top 20. That is because HSU got to the final four, for that, I will give them the credit. HPU ranked 18th surprised me because they had 5 losses. McM only had 3 losses all year, 1 point to HPU that could have easily been a win for McM and 2 losses to HSU. But I have been following McM long enough to know how it goes. The conference looks good, we will see who comes out on top.  Until we went 18-0 last year, then we started getting the recognition I knew we deserved. We will see what this year has in store. UMHB came on strong at the end of the season and were a relatively young team.  You all know, I believe any team can be defeated by any other team given any circumstances, so bring your bread and cheese, I'll supply the wine or whine, but you know what whiner is only one "n" away from winner!!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on November 04, 2006, 02:12:05 am

Dunno if anyone has pointed out how far off your assumption is.

D3News is based in OREGON.

Thanks Pat!
 I thought I ate a little crow with my reply......don't we always blame everything on the East Coast press?
By the way....I appreciate the the great job that d3 sports does....If it weren't for this website I could never find news about other d3 teams and sports.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on November 04, 2006, 02:27:17 am
Just got in from Abilene to watch HSU Cowgirls scrimmage Abilene Christian. 
Came away very impressed with the quality of depth the Cowgirls have as they just wore down ACU.  More inspiring was the return of point guard Sarah Hauk from last season ending ACL surgery.  She played without a brace and as if the knee were never injured.....it was amazing to see.  It seems that with many ACL injuries players just never seem to make it back to where they were before the inury.  Way to go Sarah!  With Sarah & Rachel Cisneroz they have a great 1-2 punch at the point guard spot.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 04, 2006, 08:06:02 pm
speaking of knee inuries, Molly Buker from HPU has come back better than ever.  I popped by the coliseum for the Alumni game and was very impressed with her.  She too is moving like she never tore her ACL at the end of the season last year.  There is no doubt that HPU could have gone further with her in the line up.  It is amazing how far that surgery has come in such a short time.  Only 2 more weeks until opening weekend! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 07, 2006, 11:46:33 pm
Just got back from the HPU/TSU scrimmage.  The women looked really good for a lot of the scrimmage.  Won the first half by 1 pt but lost the 2nd half and the last 10 mins.  There are a couple newcomers that will give a lot of teams fits.  The defense is as strong as ever. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2006, 11:58:13 pm
The ASC Women's board is heating up already!

McMurry goes to Guilford and plays Oneonta (NY) State to open.  Oneonta St won the ECAC Championship, kinda like an NIT tourney for those teams that did not make the NCAA's.

That should be a good game!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: wbballfan10 on November 08, 2006, 07:01:49 pm
"Here's some scoop...Trinity had a closed scrimmage on Saturday vs. St. Mary's and Coach Kielsmeier from Howard Payne showed up...Is that legal???"
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 10, 2006, 02:53:08 pm
Congrats to MCM's Tarra Richardson and HPU's Meia Daniels for pre-season all American honors.  Richardson was voted second team and Dainels third team.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 10, 2006, 08:41:59 pm
Why would a scrimmage be closed?  I have gone to other conference scrimmages just to watch, who cares? They are about to be filmed and out for everyone to see.....is there some secret lurking in the gym? Unless you got a secret weapon, I think this is still a free country. But was Coach K incognito? Or did he have on an HPU Lady basketball sweatshirt. Funny stuff!  Was glad to see two conference All Americans, but was sorry Symbri Tuttle not on the list.  If you have never seen her play, too bad for you, but she deserves the honor IMHO. She is very unselfish averaging 8 assists, that accounts for at least 16 points a game, and proved in the last game of the year she can score too, if needed.  She lead the nation in assists last year and is the "General" of the team. She has set all kinds of ASC records, so you go Sym, show em what they are missing.  Next week........the new journey begins..............................
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 10, 2006, 10:40:13 pm
as an HPU grad and fan i was happy to see Mark Simon's Around the Nation showing some love for the Lady Jackets.  It should be one heck of a season.  I just hope when all is said and done that the top 3 teams in the ASC and I do mean HPU, HSU and McM(not necessarily in that order) do make the playoffs that they don't have the "Texas Bracket" AGAIN.

The NCAA can make more money than they save by having these 3 schools in the playoffs more than one or two games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on November 13, 2006, 11:26:10 am
Ok McMurry fans, what's the deal?   Engelke and Finstad graduated but Burton, Venekamp, Poaetzold, Stephens, and Mckewen are not shown on the 06-07 roster.  What a blow if Burton, Venekamp, and Poaetzold are not available! 7 newcomers on your roster...how will your depth be?
Saw a great player @ Angelo State Friday nite...  6ft 5in Katarzyna Kurowska from Warsaw, Poland via Grayson CCC.  She moves good, excellent shooter, and is very disciplined on the defensive end.  Great shot blocker with long arms.  Will be a force in D2.  I don't know how the D1 schools passed on her.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 13, 2006, 11:50:27 am
Dballa I agree with you about the playoffs.  It really is a shame that the matchups are done by what is best for the NCAA budget as opposed to actual rankings.  It would be really nice to see how far ASC schools would go in another bracket.  It is hard to show how competitive the conference is when you have to contiuously play within it.

If the roster holds true for MCM it will be interesting to see how their season goes.  I have also heard that UMHB has a 5'10 transfer that is quite the player.  Lindsey Ledee who I believe was at Temple JC prior to UMHB.  Another weapon for their arsenal.  Who do they start the season with? 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 14, 2006, 01:33:26 pm
Burton is concentrating on her classes, Paetzold dropped out for a while, and Venekamp has transferred.  I don't know about the others.  It will be interesting to see how the team does this weekend.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 14, 2006, 02:50:42 pm
Stephens had some knee surgery and is rehabing to come back, and McEwen left school also.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: The Departed on November 14, 2006, 04:02:37 pm
Why would a scrimmage be closed?  I have gone to other conference scrimmages just to watch, who cares? They are about to be filmed and out for everyone to see.....is there some secret lurking in the gym? Unless you got a secret weapon, I think this is still a free country. But was Coach K incognito? Or did he have on an HPU Lady basketball sweatshirt. Funny stuff!  Was glad to see two conference All Americans, but was sorry Symbri Tuttle not on the list.  If you have never seen her play, too bad for you, but she deserves the honor IMHO. She is very unselfish averaging 8 assists, that accounts for at least 16 points a game, and proved in the last game of the year she can score too, if needed.  She lead the nation in assists last year and is the "General" of the team. She has set all kinds of ASC records, so you go Sym, show em what they are missing.  Next week........the new journey begins..............................

The point of a closed scrimmage is for it to be closed to the public.  The public includes opposing coaches.  Evidently Coach K is a little scared going into this weekend...we will see who comes away smiling after Friday night.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 14, 2006, 05:09:07 pm
I think the only people that would be scared would be the ones who closed the scrimmage.  A scrimmage is only good for giving your players a chance to compete against someone other than yourselves and gives new players a chance to compete for a spot on the team.  It also helps you work on new plays as well as old.  Now if he or any other coach for any team was visiting practices, that would be one thing but a scrimmage is not worth throwing a fit over.  People could have easily come to watch them scrimmage Tarleton in Stephenville, which i'm sure some may have.  But they blew that opportunity if they didn't.

Coach K isn't scared of anybody especially Trinity.  Let them bring on whatever they want.  HPU is deeper than they have ever been and will easily beat Trinity.  Kind of like they did last year in the playoffs in Abilene.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 14, 2006, 05:15:28 pm
Thank you Dballa.  So The Departed, your saying that no fans, parents, media anybody was allowed at that scrimmage at Trinity?  That is what a closed scrimmage/practice would be.  Really, maybe you should have thought your response through a little before jumping on here.  Kudos to HPU for putting in the extra effort to be successful.  The Departed, maybe if your coaches worked a little harder you wouldn't have lost by 15 and would have made it further in the NCAA's.  Good luck on Friday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on November 15, 2006, 02:06:57 pm
This was my first visit to D3Hoops since the end of last season.  It is good to see the love already flowing!  The season has not even started and HPU and Coach K are already at the center of things!  ::)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 15, 2006, 03:45:00 pm
What do you think the chances are that Trinity will go 0-3 to start the season?  I know they are a very good team, but having to play @HPU friday night, @HSU saturday and then @UMHB on tuesday is quite a difficult way to start the season.  If each team can take care of business it may help the ASC gain some more respect!  Could be a very interesting week!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Borat...NOT on November 15, 2006, 04:07:54 pm
I think Trinity will come out of this tough stretch 2-1.  I think they will win one of the two games this weekend and then defeat UMHB soundly Tuesday.  They looked very good in the second half against Texas and really had some role players from last year step up and show some aggressiveness.  Look for defense to be the key to their success though.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 15, 2006, 04:16:13 pm
Trinity will have to win the games on defense and rebounding, both which are great strenghts for them.  UMHB has some very tough rebounders which may give them trouble.  I am not sure how that game will go, which UMHB team will show up for their first game of the season.  If history repeats, Trinity will win easily, but with most of their team back (minus Wurzbuch) from last year and some solid additions, it may be the UMHB team that finished the season.  We will just have to see how Tomlinson has come back from surgury.  She will be the difference maker.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 17, 2006, 12:10:13 pm
I want to take this opportunity to wish Coach K and the Lady Jackets good luck on the start of their season.  I am looking forward to a very exciting game in the coliseum!  Go get em!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 17, 2006, 02:09:24 pm
what other conference schools are in action tonight?  or really this weekend!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on November 17, 2006, 03:02:44 pm
LETS GO LADY JACKETS!!!!  Time to bust up ol' Trinity again! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2006, 04:06:58 pm
McMurry vs. Oneonta State at the Guilford NC tourney.

I hope they win so they can play Guilford on Saturday.  The other game is Bennett and Bennett (I don't think) is active D3.

I want the in-region win.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 07:05:01 pm
HPU and Trinity underway
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 07:14:52 pm
HPU 11  TU 4 14:43 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 07:18:01 pm
HPU 17 TU 4, 13:26
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 07:22:28 pm
HPU 17 TU 12, 10:27
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 07:25:06 pm
HPU 19 TU 12, 9:50
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 07:34:37 pm
HPU 28 TU 22, 4:55 LEFT
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 07:42:48 pm
HPU 45 TU 29, 1:02 LEFT
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 07:45:39 pm
HPU 45 TU 29 HALF
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2006, 08:09:25 pm
McMurry 80 Oneonta State 62 at the Guilford Tourney.

Oneonta went 12-4/21-8 in the SUNYAC last year.  I cannot find a Coaches Pre-season poll to find out how good they are this year!

Go LIB! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 08:11:53 pm
HPU 56 TU 35 14:37 LEFT SECOND HALF
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 08:16:27 pm
HPU 63 TU 37 11:36
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 08:21:03 pm
HPU 63 TU 39 9:17 LEFT
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 08:42:05 pm
We had a ref have a  seizure during the game, please keep him in your prayers.  Not sure if the game is going to be ended or not.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 09:15:59 pm
Game on HPU 65 TU 39 7 min left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm#1fan on November 17, 2006, 09:17:19 pm
Ralph-is that the final for McM?  Thoughts and prayers go to the ref at the HPU-Trinity game
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 09:19:44 pm
HPU 67 TU 45, 5:03 LEFT
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2006, 09:29:49 pm
Update from Guilford (Final):

McMurry led 43-34 at the half.
Ten lead changes with the last having McMurry going ahead 23-20 with 6:40 left in the first half.  McMurry pulls away 23-14 from that 20-20 tie to end the half.

McMurry stats in the first half:
FG 47% 3FG 58% (7-12)
Second half:
FG 50% 3FG 28% (2-7)

Oneonta State
FG 52% 3FG 33%
Second half:
17%  3FGs 0-8 but 16-18 on FT's.
Apparently, McMurry's defense had Oneonta State exhausted.

Two double doubles for McMurry:

Tarra Richardson -- 21 points and 11 boards
Symbri Tuttle -- 10 points and 10 assists in 31 minutes.  (The assists were given by the Guilford SID, the official scorer.)
Maigen Sawyer -- 16 points.
Off the bench -- 22 points.
Fast Break -- 10 points.

McMurry had 5 freshmen on the floor to finish the game.

All 13 players played.  McMurry had 10 players score and 8 had double digit minutes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 17, 2006, 09:32:59 pm
HPU 76 TU 45 FINAL, Ref was taken to the ER no news, scary incident.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 17, 2006, 10:15:19 pm
Great game tonight by the Lady Jackets.  Coach K's squad sure looked like a conference champion out there tonight.  Trinity has some really good shooters and some good post play inside but HPU controlled the game from the start.

Everybody's thoughts and prayers need to go out to Paul Simms(sp?) and his family tonight.  It was definitely a scary situation.  Neither team wanted to finish the game and wanted to end it as is since HPU was up by quite a bit late in the game.  But for the game to count they would have to finish it tonight or finish another time.  Since Trinity plays HSU tomorrow night it was best to go ahead and get it over with.

I wouldn't be surprised if HSU beat Trinity pretty easily Saturday night.  I just don't think they'll be able to get back in the frame of mind to play a good game of basketball the day after what happened tonight.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2006, 08:48:26 am
One of the highlights for the McMurry Women's basketball team at the Guilford Tip-off Tourney is to get an excellent lecture on the Batttle of Guilford Courthouse by McM History porfessor Bob Wetteman whose Master's thesis was on that battle.

He should bring that portion of history alive for them.

Travel safely! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2006, 08:23:13 pm
Great game by McMurry today.  78-44 win over Guilford (http://www.d3hoops.com/releases.php?release=5048&scoreboard).

We were able to shut down their outside game.

Tarra Richardson had 25 points and was MVP.  Tuttle and Sawyer make the All-tourney team.

Symbri Tuttle only played 19 minutes and had 5 assists before giving way to 2 freshmen backup PG's

Four players had 8 points (Sawyer, Nelson, Horton and Sandra Lewis)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 18, 2006, 08:51:19 pm
So was the team inspired by Dr. Wettemann's lecture?  He could have a new job as official pre-game lecturer for the rest  of the season!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2006, 08:54:43 pm
So was the team inspired by Dr. Wettemann's lecture?  He could have a new job as official pre-game lecturer for the rest  of the season!

If he is so good that he needs to refresh his notes on the creation of the game of basketball for a McMurry women's appearance in Springfield, MA next March, then so be it! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 19, 2006, 12:32:20 am
HSU 84 Trinity 67.  Looks like Trinity had a tough weekend!  Could their hype be done?  These two losses will be haunting them all season.  Time to being the uphill battle!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 19, 2006, 05:41:25 pm
One of my HSU friends watched the Cowgirls take apart Trinity.  He said Trinity didn't look like they were ready to start the season and didn't even manage a score for the first three or four minutes.  The Cowgirls, on the other hand, he described as looking ready to take on anyone.  He especially noted the defense, which repeatedly blocked Trinity shots or intercepted their passes.  Jeni Hobbs, a transfer from Stetson, a D1 school, replaced Sonya West in the starting lineup.  This report is from an HSU fan, of course, but it looks like another tough HSU team for the coming season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on November 19, 2006, 06:15:47 pm
 8) nice way to "30 piece 'em"  Jackets!  :o   lets take it on the road to Ozark! ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2006, 06:26:10 pm
Ozarks lost to John Carroll from the OAC, picked to finish 7th of 10 in that very strong conference, but defeated North Central, picked to finish 5th in the CCIW, a respectable conference.

This should be a good game to measure the ASC-East.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 19, 2006, 11:34:43 pm
Regarding the Trinity/HSU game.  I don't know how accurate it could be.  Trinity played a tough game against HPU the night before in which they saw a referee go down with a seizure and a lot of them got sick and were emotionally upset.  I'm sure that took a lot out of them playing back to back games against Top 25 teams.

HPU routed them and played a great game, which i'm excited to see, but Trinity still has some really good plays and has a good team.  They play tough hard nosed defense and rebound very well.  I just don't know how much energy they would have had after playing HPU the night before.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on November 20, 2006, 10:53:24 am
Regarding the Trinity/HSU game.  I don't know how accurate it could be.  Trinity played a tough game against HPU the night before in which they saw a referee go down with a seizure and a lot of them got sick and were emotionally upset.  I'm sure that took a lot out of them playing back to back games against Top 25 teams.

HPU routed them and played a great game, which i'm excited to see, but Trinity still has some really good plays and has a good team.  They play tough hard nosed defense and rebound very well.  I just don't know how much energy they would have had after playing HPU the night before.

dballa.....let's not give HSU any credit for soundly defeating Trinity Saturday after HPU defeated them Friday nite.    Maybe Trinity should just forfiet to UMHB tonight since they have been routed by 2 top 25 teams in a row and don't have any energy left.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: inthepaint on November 20, 2006, 04:15:11 pm
Regarding the Trinity/HSU game.  I don't know how accurate it could be.  Trinity played a tough game against HPU the night before in which they saw a referee go down with a seizure and a lot of them got sick and were emotionally upset.  I'm sure that took a lot out of them playing back to back games against Top 25 teams.

HPU routed them and played a great game, which i'm excited to see, but Trinity still has some really good plays and has a good team.  They play tough hard nosed defense and rebound very well.  I just don't know how much energy they would have had after playing HPU the night before.

dballa.....let's not give HSU any credit for soundly defeating Trinity Saturday after HPU defeated them Friday nite.    Maybe Trinity should just forfiet to UMHB tonight since they have been routed by 2 top 25 teams in a row and don't have any energy left.

Great insight.  Gosh, we might as well crown HPU the conference champs now. 

No team beaten by HPU can play well is a subsequent game.  Man-law?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2006, 04:46:55 pm
Great game tonight by the Lady Jackets.  Coach K's squad sure looked like a conference champion out there tonight.  Trinity has some really good shooters and some good post play inside but HPU controlled the game from the start.

Everybody's thoughts and prayers need to go out to Paul Simms(sp?) and his family tonight.  It was definitely a scary situation.  Neither team wanted to finish the game and wanted to end it as is since HPU was up by quite a bit late in the game.  But for the game to count they would have to finish it tonight or finish another time.  Since Trinity plays HSU tomorrow night it was best to go ahead and get it over with.

I wouldn't be surprised if HSU beat Trinity pretty easily Saturday night.  I just don't think they'll be able to get back in the frame of mind to play a good game of basketball the day after what happened tonight.

In all fairness to the Trinity and HPU players, dballa's post at 9:15 pm on Friday night, immediately after the game, shows a degree of concern for the ref.  That was pretty significant.  I cannot remember the last time I saw a basketball game stopped for a medical emergncy like that.

Let's see what Trinity does in the rest of the season. :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 20, 2006, 05:13:21 pm
Weep no tears for Trinity.  Even if they lose Tuesday never count them out.   Kendra Anderson senior year they beat Trinity easily first game and didn't lose another game till they lost to Trinity in the national playoffs.

They may have lost their psche they had over the  ASC all together.  HSU beat they in women's soccer also. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Borat...NOT on November 20, 2006, 05:39:43 pm
Speaking of the ref, has anyone heard how he is doing?  I was at the game and it was a very scary sight...the arena was silent for almost a half hour. 

As for the basketball, HPU came out the more aggressive and better basketball team.  Trinity had no answer to Meia Daniels and although they fought back halfway through the first half to cut it to a 2pt lead, the result was never in doubt for Howard Payne.  Anytime they needed a basket, they had no problem getting one.  All that being said, I wouldn't count Trinity out for the rest of the year.  They have some things they need to improve on but the talent is there.  Tomorrow night is a huge game for Trinity, does anyone know if there will be live stats or online broadcasting?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 21, 2006, 11:39:30 am
I don't think anyone is counting out Trinity, nor has anyone said so.  It is very possible that after a tough weekend against some very tough ASC schools that Trinity will regroup and remotivate.  I heard a great quote by Billy Donovan today on ESPN, "If you don't come in everyday with something to prove, then you won't improve."  That may be what happened to Trinity, they didn't feel they had anything to prove, that they should win solely because they are Trinity.  Not so!  If they took advantage of a practice, it could be a slaughter tonight at UMHB.  I would venture to say it will be a hard fought game.  I am very interested to see how UMHB fares.  Now, with all that said, I would like to open up the debate that the ASC is a tougher conference than the SCAC.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2006, 02:18:23 pm
I don't think anyone is counting out Trinity, nor has anyone said so.  It is very possible that after a tough weekend against some very tough ASC schools that Trinity will regroup and remotivate.  I heard a great quote by Billy Donovan today on ESPN, "If you don't come in everyday with something to prove, then you won't improve."  That may be what happened to Trinity, they didn't feel they had anything to prove, that they should win solely because they are Trinity.  Not so!  If they took advantage of a practice, it could be a slaughter tonight at UMHB.  I would venture to say it will be a hard fought game.  I am very interested to see how UMHB fares.  Now, with all that said, I would like to open up the debate that the ASC is a tougher conference than the SCAC.  Any thoughts?

The SCAC debate is a good one.  DePauw and Trinity are the cream of the SCAC.  Trinity has a national Championship in 2003 and Depauw easily dispatched a Kendra Anderson-led HSU team 84-60 in the Elite 8 in 2002.  So, this decade, the SCAC has 2 different Final Four teams and a National Champion and the ASC only HSU.  Advantage/SCAC.

In 2004, HSU lost in the Elite 8, DePauw in the second round.  Advantage HSU/SCAC.

In 2005, HPU lost in Brownwood to Trinity in the first round of the playoffs.  Advantage Trinity/SCAC.

In 2006, the Final Top 25 had DePauw #5, HSU #7, McMurry #18, HPU #22.  Probably a wash.  The ASC had 16 teams; the SCAC 10.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 21, 2006, 03:19:15 pm
Just to clear up any misunderstandings, I was not referring to debating the past.  I am well aware of the accomplishments of Trinity and Depauw as well as HSU.  My statement goes to beginning the debate for this year.  And yes, I know, we can't tell much thus far in the season and will continue to find more out as the season progresses, but wanted to put the thought out there.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2006, 10:28:20 pm
Southwestern 66, HSU 64 OT   :o
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2006, 10:30:02 pm
Trinity 84 at UMHB 81
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2006, 11:15:17 pm
This is incredible!

One in-region losses--

Hardin-Simmons
UMHB

Two in-region losses--

Trinity

The hard thing for incoming freshmen to understand is that an in-region loss hurts you when it comes to the playoffs.   This is not high school where 3 teams from an a 6-team conference get in.  There are only 19 Pool C (at-large) bids to go around for 39 D3 conferences!!!

The way it looks now, Trinity must win the SCAC to get to the Tourney, because those 2 in-region losses are going to hurt in the regional rankings.  Pool C just got farther beyond their reach!  Look at what HSU and HPU and Trinity had for records, even by early February.

The take-home lesson for you McMurry and you HPU players as well, is the HSU just got their wake-up call.  They are already one loss behind McMurry and HPU in South Region records.  Can you imagine that HSU bus ride back from Southwestern tonight?  Southwestern!  You cannot take them lightly any more.  They may be the new SCAC power in the State!

The conference had better imagine that they are hearing that same "motivational' lecture that the Cowgirls heard tonight, because they are coming for you!

For you McMurry! For you HPU!  And you UMHB and everyone else!

This is going to be fun! :)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on November 22, 2006, 08:10:26 am
Ralph,
I find it a bit hard to follow your logic.  HSU lost in OT with some key players out with injuries.  It's a non-conference game.  And you think that might affect their chances for the playoffs?  Last year they got knocked out of the conference tournament early, and they still got a bid to the playoffs -- and went to the Final Four.  For the NCAA to not give them a Pool C bid with their reputation and last year's record, it seems to me they would need to lose a lot more games than this one.  This is probably the best of all possible worlds: a non-conference loss early in the season to concentrate everyone's minds for the games that count.
What is interesting is what the score says about Southwestern.  Weren't the Tigers pretty much also-rans last year?  What has changed for this year in Georgetown?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2006, 09:06:32 am
Ralph,
I find it a bit hard to follow your logic.  HSU lost in OT with some key players out with injuries.  It's a non-conference game.  And you think that might affect their chances for the playoffs?  Last year they got knocked out of the conference tournament early, and they still got a bid to the playoffs -- and went to the Final Four.  For the NCAA to not give them a Pool C bid with their reputation and last year's record, it seems to me they would need to lose a lot more games than this one.  This is probably the best of all possible worlds: a non-conference loss early in the season to concentrate everyone's minds for the games that count.
What is interesting is what the score says about Southwestern.  Weren't the Tigers pretty much also-rans last year?  What has changed for this year in Georgetown?

Good morning, mcmfan!  Have a happy Thanksgiving!

I have not perused the box score.  Which key HSU players are injured or out?

The in-region loss to Southwestern will be a key factor in Pool C and in seedings.

DePauw is the heavy favorite in the SCAC again this year.  So, I am thinking that Southwestern is actually competing for a Pool C, barring the upset of DePauw.  Southwestern has a relatively new coach from Wisconsin, Pam Ruder, a 1984 UW-Whitewater grad.

Southwestern hosts a big tourney in late December.

McM plays UW-Stout while Southwestern plays Concordia IL.  All four games are in-region.  The winner of that tourney will have cleared an impressive hurdle.

I don't know how deep the 19 Pool C bids are this year.  We have only one year's experience with that many Pool C bids.  While I think that Texas is one of 5 Women's hot beds for D3 Hoops, (we got 3 Pool C bids last year--HPU, Trinity and HSU), I want another years experience.

The hotbeds (IMHO) Maine, Midwest (think Big Ten) , eastern Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on November 22, 2006, 12:22:51 pm
6'1 post Jenni Hobbs did not suit up due to a back problem.  Shooting guard Lyssa Dennard played only about 6 minutes battling a flu bug.  Forward Shelby Hodges battled early foul trouble, she picked up her 4 th foul with 12 minutes left and had to sit.  6'1 post Melissa Contrucci fouled out with about 4 minutes to go HSU had only one starter on the floor for the last 4 minutes of the regular game and all of overtime and still nearly pulled it out. 
Hand it to Southwestern they got after us pretty good.  they hit some three's that got em back in the game and from then on the game was on against the depleted Cowgirls.
No excuses or whining from us...it was just one of those nights. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2006, 01:12:20 pm
Pirate, +1, thanks for the report!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm#1fan on November 25, 2006, 02:30:52 pm
Ralph, what is the score of the MCM game? Can't get the radio play by play on the web site!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 25, 2006, 02:36:11 pm
mcm ladies up 44-36 6 minutes left. symbri already broke record, coach subbing freely, playing well, but lots of fouls and turnovers, both ways.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 25, 2006, 02:37:06 pm
whoops 39-29 5 minutes left, somehow missed the score
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 25, 2006, 02:42:52 pm
47-31. 6 threes by mcm. 3 by freshman sandra lewis. sawyer has 14 points
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 25, 2006, 02:47:11 pm
halftime score 49-36 Mcm L.I.B. will give some stats when radio lets us know
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 25, 2006, 02:54:55 pm
Tarra 12pts. Maigen 14 pts, Sandra 9 pts. Symbri and Allie Nelson 5 pts. each and freshman Amanda peters 4 pts., Symbri with 8 assists already. Mcm outrebounds 27 to 9. McM evidently quite a bit taller.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 25, 2006, 03:45:08 pm
HPU 94 Ozarks 52 Final

Daniels with 22 pts 5 rbs(in 26 Mins) and Hoffman with 15 pts 9 rbs to lead the Lady Jackets.

All but 3 players played more than 10 mins in the game and the others played at least 5 mins.  Great way to start the conference.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 25, 2006, 03:52:50 pm
Final score 84-62. Second half shooting a little cold, but kept on fighting for rebounds and second chance points. Good game for L.I.B. When someone is off, others are picking up the slack. Jabri had 4 fouls in seven minutes, Nelson and Erica Peters did a good job. Sandra Lewis hit 4 threes. Hopefully we can keep this momentum up all year long!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on November 25, 2006, 10:40:08 pm
 Correction----Mississippi College lost to UMHB 73-72

HSU survived ETBSU.  Cowgirls payed pretty good at times, pretty bad at times. ETBSU is the kind of team that can make you look bad at times.  We were glad just to get out of there with the victory.   Shot terrible from the charity stripe - 9 of 20.  ETBSU is very athletic and quick and pretty deep on the bench.... look for them to give lots of teams trouble this year.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 25, 2006, 11:12:12 pm
Correction----Mississippi College lost to UMHB 73-72

HSU survived ETBSU.  Cowgirls payed pretty good at times, pretty bad at times. ETBSU is the kind of team that can make you look bad at times.  We were glad just to get out of there with the victory.   Shot terrible from the charity stripe - 9 of 20.  ETBSU is very athletic and quick and pretty deep on the bench.... look for them to give lots of teams trouble this year.

Fortunately they are on the East.  The West will be a meat grinder!

It looks like there are at least 4 teams on the West.  Trinity only beat UMHB in its first game, and Trinity's 3rd.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 25, 2006, 11:13:50 pm
Sorry the score I posted about the MC/UMHB game was from their website and they had originally posted MC won the game before they posted any kind of stats. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 28, 2006, 03:01:39 pm
You gotta love it when the ASC has 3 teams in the Top 15 in the nation. 

I know it's early and I forget every year but when do the regional rankings start coming out?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2006, 03:52:45 pm
You gotta love it when the ASC-WEST has 3 teams in the Top 15 in the nation. 

I know it's early and I forget every year but when do the regional rankings start coming out?

Hello, dballa!  The Regional Rankings will come out the last 4 weeks of the regular season.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 28, 2006, 05:29:10 pm
Thanks Ralph I figured it was in the last part of conference play but wasn't sure. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on November 29, 2006, 09:53:25 am
How long do you all believe you will have 3 teams in the top 15? I think its good to have 3 teams but the chances of all of them being there at the end, once conference play starts and they start beating up on each other might cut one out of the top 25.  If the postseason were to start right now.  I don't think all 3 would get in with the strength of the great lakes area and northeast getting a more at-large bids.  I could see 2 from here but not 3.  I say continue on and continue to make the south proud.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 29, 2006, 11:12:06 am
After Monday and this three game stretch for McM and HSU, bet there may be only 2 teams from the West left in the top 15. We'll see. Go L.I.B. My money is on you!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 29, 2006, 03:06:19 pm
Well, there is no doubt that the December 4th game will be great.  If HSU loses I would imagine that they would drop below #15.  If McMurry would lose, I am not sure how much of an effect it would have on their ranking.  Maybe just a couple of spots, if any. 

I am very interested to see how MCM does in their first potential close game.  I really don't see Mississippi College beating either team on the road.  Such tough places to play.  If these games were at MC then I think it could sway MC's way.

You want to talk about a tough stretch of the season, look at HPU's schedule!  They play MCM and HSU back to back weeks.  1/25 @HSU, 1/27 @ MCM, 2/1 vs. HSU, 2/3 vs. MCM.   
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on November 29, 2006, 05:13:42 pm
The only way HSU drops out of the top 20 is if they lose to MC and McM, bet ya. If McM loses any contest they'll drop like a rock. Hpu's schedule is tougher during that stretch, but they got to play them twice.  I would like if they got to make one of those rounds earlier in the season and then again at the end, it would tell more about improvement on each team.  I've only seen McM play this year so until next Monday I can't offer opinions on how the other teams look.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: LUMAN80 on November 29, 2006, 05:29:04 pm
agreed
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: kid nice on November 30, 2006, 09:50:59 am
I have posted a few times on the men's board and look at it frequently so I can keep up with everything, but have fell behing on the women's side. I am sure if I read back i could find the answer to these questions, but honestly i don't have the patience.  I am sure the traditional teams (HSU, MCM) will be good again, but who will win the east and who is the best player in the conference.  I know there were two ladies from MCM and HSU on the preseason all-american team. Is the Palmerez girl from MC on the same level as they are. I think I saw where she scored like 43 pts the other night. just trying to catch up. any info would be appreciated.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 30, 2006, 11:15:13 am
Well kid nice, I am sure we all would love to help you out and get your questions answered, but the east is pretty unrepresented on this board.  I will speak for myself and am sure others would agree, we would love some posters to fill us in and join the debate from the east perspective. 

As for top teams this year, MCM, HSU and HPU are all in the top 15 in the nation.  I, to no surprise, would say that HPU is the best team out of those three.  Only the season will prove me right or wrong.  As for the east, it is looking like MC is down with a loss to UMHB, but we will see how they do tonight and saturday at MCM and HSU.  I would guess ETBU would have to be toward the top of the east as well.  They have had great  young talent in the past and may be coming into their own this year.  They play @ HPU tonight I believe. 

That is just my opinion, I am sure many will disagree with some/all of it, but hey, isn't that what this board is for?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on November 30, 2006, 05:52:02 pm
also, is UT-Tyler eligible for post season play this year?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 30, 2006, 05:56:55 pm
also, is UT-Tyler eligible for post season play this year?

No, 2007-08 for all sports.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 06:34:23 pm
ETBU and HPU is underway.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 06:37:33 pm
ETBU is coming out firing, ETBU 10 HPU 0 17:44 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 06:41:56 pm
HPU might have woke up,
 ETBU 12 HPU 6
15:43 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 06:52:34 pm
ETBU 14 HPU 12
9:26 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 07:00:45 pm
HPU 29 ETBU 17
4:53 left

HPU went on a 22-2 run.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 07:10:07 pm
HPU 34 ETBU 23 Half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 07:12:33 pm
Any other scores?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcm#1fan on November 30, 2006, 07:19:38 pm
McM-53- MC-28 SYmbri has 9 pts-7 assists-
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 07:33:28 pm
HPU 40 ETBU 29
14:58 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 07:44:20 pm
HPU 51 ETBU 34
9:28 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 07:52:56 pm
HPU 62 ETBU 36
4:21 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 08:03:36 pm
HPU 76 ETBU 39 Final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 08:22:02 pm
Anybody got a McM or HSU final?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on November 30, 2006, 08:31:36 pm
Cowgirls win at home over LC   84-44.

Lots of girls in the scoring column.   

Saturday night is the first battle of the season.   Last two years the Cowgirls have not been ready for a December showdown.  Bet the coach is mindful of that.  I got to say hello to coach Briggs at homecoming.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on November 30, 2006, 08:52:12 pm
Where is Mr. Coleman or Ralph and the McM score???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on November 30, 2006, 10:49:17 pm
A little colon cleansing done by the Lady Jackets tonight in Brownwood.  They even gave ETBU a 12 pt lead to start the game and they still couldn't keep it close.  If HSU can only beat that team by 5 points they have some trouble ahead from the ladies in B-town. 

GO LADY JACKETS!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on December 01, 2006, 01:58:20 pm
Looks like the Lady Jackets have come out swinging!  But the season is early...keep focused on one game at a time. 

KEEP IT UP JACKETS!!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 01, 2006, 03:54:05 pm
The McM - MC College final score was McM 87, MC 62. 

I thought the Lady McMs (we can't call outselves Indians anymore, right?) were very strong; the lead was over twenty for most of the game and decreased at the end only because Sam put in all new players who even then looked pretty good.  I'm not a basketball expert, but it appeared to me that we had a much stronger outside game than in past years: several players who can hit 3's besides Maigen Sawyer.  The obvious question is, is McM as good as its national rating or is MC weaker than it was last year?  The obvious answer to that question will be the matchup Monday night between McM and HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2006, 06:45:42 pm
mcmfan, how many people do you think will attend the HSU McM game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 01, 2006, 06:54:36 pm
Dballa,  it might just  be a little early to be comparing scores just yet.  HPU is having a great start.  But I will remind you (and I know you guys hate it when I do) that last year showed that it is not how you start but how you finish.  Can you say final four.  If the Cowgirls don't do well at least I got that in once.

When you look at the shedule you have to ask if it is to Hpu advantage not to play MCM or HSU till late January.   What it will probally mean is that they will likely be undefeated when they come to Abilene.  Your national rating will be top ten I predict.   When they leave town,  we will see.   Lots of basketball to play before then.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 01, 2006, 07:08:57 pm
I looked at the schedule again.   In two weeks HPU will play four games against HSU and MCM.   If they run that table then my hat will be off to to the Yellowjacket Ladies.   

My prediction now is that it will play much like last year,  no one team taking charge.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 01, 2006, 07:09:51 pm
I assume a bunch will be at the McM-HSU game.  Attendance at the McM-MC game was fairly sparse, I suspect in part because of the weather.  A lot of older fans and alumni didn't show up, and I'm figuring that was because of the icy roads.  Everything should be fine by Monday.  I, myself, may miss the game, though, because it's my wife's birthday and she wants me to take her out to dinner!  Can I persuade her to eat in the HSU cafeteria during halftime...?   :-[
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 01, 2006, 08:50:07 pm
Calhsu,
I'll agree that who wins the last game is key.  But last year the rankings didn't matter that much (at least for the top four teams in the west) because the conference tournament was in the east.  This year, it will be in the west, so the top team gets to host -- and that could mean a better chance of winning that final game than the west had last year when all four west teams were playing what were essentially away games in the tournament.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 02:06:01 pm
LeTourneau and HPU is underway
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 02:10:25 pm
HPU 9 ETBU 3, 15:35 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 02:13:21 pm
HPU 12 ETBU 5
14:32 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 02:22:56 pm
HPU 20 ETBU 7
9:50 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 02:27:28 pm
HPU 24 LeT 9
7:55 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 02:27:51 pm
Sorry I forgot the abbreviation for LeT.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 02:35:02 pm
HPU 31 LeT 9
4:06 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 02:43:48 pm
HPU 43 LeT 20 Half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2006, 02:47:52 pm
McM 36 LaCollege 18, Late 1st quarter.

The URL for LeTourneau University is www.letu.edu.

LeTU seems pretty good.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2006, 02:56:19 pm
McM 51 LaCollege 29 at the half
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 03:03:40 pm
HPU 51 LeTU 21
17:00 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 03:16:35 pm
HPU 68 LeTU 27
9:58 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 03:30:52 pm
HPU 75 LeTU 29
4:41 left
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 03:40:17 pm
HPU 84 LeTU 33 Final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 03:44:28 pm
Ralph any McM score?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 02, 2006, 04:12:49 pm
Final:  McM 95 LC 53
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 04:32:05 pm
Anybody have an HSU score?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on December 02, 2006, 04:33:40 pm
What's happening at HSU?  ???
I have been following on the GameTracker. That showed 44-26 at halftime over an hour ago. Now it shows the same score as a final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 02, 2006, 05:28:53 pm
Anything on HSU yet, was that score at halftime?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: baddog on December 02, 2006, 05:33:18 pm
That was the halftime score, but then showed as the final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 02, 2006, 07:27:04 pm
The big McM-HSU matchup is Monday.  Last season, I tried to guess the outcome of the second game between the two teams, comparing the relative point spreads against teams they both played leading up to the match.  Last time, HSU was beating opponents by a higher point margin than McM, and they went on to win the matchup.  Here's the spread this time around, if anyone is interested:

            McM                  HSU           
LeT  84-62    +22     79-55    +24
MC   87-62    +25     80-55    +35
LC   95-53    +42      88-48    +40
total             +89                +99

It shows HSU with a 10-point advantage, mainly from comparison of the two scores with MC.  It should be interesting Monday night, if only to see if these kinds of point comparisons have any relevance at all to reality!

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 02, 2006, 07:29:06 pm
watch out for that McMurry math 80-55 is 25 pts ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2006, 09:40:58 pm
watch out for that McMurry math 80-55 is 25 pts ;)

Do you know how hard it is to get him to "grade on the curve"?

 ;) :D ;D :) 8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 03, 2006, 11:21:59 am
dballa,
You're right -- and that makes the numbers dead even!  Good thing I teach history and not math...   ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 03, 2006, 11:37:42 am
well i'm glad you can laugh about what i said obviously someone else can't since i lost a karma point on that comment ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 03, 2006, 12:50:18 pm
I'll step out there and go with my ladies from McM tomorrow night. Based on they are my favorite team and I want them to win. I look forward to Pat's opinion after tomorrow, since he has gotten to see the top three teams play. He is probably the most unbiased, unless someone has fed him better BBQ (Underwood, Joe Allen's or Sharon Allen's) The season is still young and I think all three teams are as good or even better than last year. Since the tourney is in the West this year and the travel won't be so tiring, it will be a survival of the fittest.  Can't wait until tomorrow, and hopefully we will be even stronger than yesterday. I say Mcm by 9,
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on December 04, 2006, 05:04:00 pm
Wow, what a game it will be....

only an hour and a half before tip...

I am out of here from work..

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 04, 2006, 07:06:04 pm
Is anyone else having the same problem?

That is...the gametracker is locked up with the score 7-3 McM.

And the "server is not working" when I attempt to hear the game through D3's stream.

Anyone know the score of the W game?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 04, 2006, 07:23:23 pm
Finally got the audio.

Halftime:

29-27 HSU over McM.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 04, 2006, 08:20:00 pm
Final 61-56 McM...

Close game all the way.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 04, 2006, 10:58:55 pm
what was the deal with Henley (or Contrussi) tonight?  I would have expected more out of a senior leader on the HSU team.  Did Mcm just play that great of defense on her or was she just not on?  I would love to know more details about the game.  I would have guessed it would have been a higher scoring affair.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on December 05, 2006, 02:01:27 am
Defense On Henley/Contruci Was Very Tough, The Other Players Had Trouble Even Getting The Ball Down Low To Her And Hobbs. Melissa Also Had Some Early Foul Troubles.

I Am Proud How My Cowgirls Battled Back From An Early Deficit, And Were Able To Keep It Close.

I Look Forward To The Next Cross Town Rivalry!

Go Cowgirls!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2006, 03:44:56 am
Congratulations to McMurry.  The game was everything that you could want in an early season match-up.  Yes, the teams were a little ragged, but the intensity was playoff quality.

Pirate--congratulations on the game your daughter had.

I was very impressed with the play of the new players to the team this year.

Unsung hero of the game...McM Freshman backup point guard Courtney Wolfe!

With about 12+ minutes left in the game, (my candidate for All-American point guard) Symbri Tuttle picks up her 4th foul.  Coach Nichols quickly subs Wolfe for Tuttle and Courtney runs the offense for 5 minutes.  One turnover, one assist and she never drops a beat during the crucial middle of the second half against the #9 team in the nation.  After 5 solid minutes on the bench, watching the clock wind down, Tuttle is able to come back into the game and finishes.

Courtney, you may not get as many minutes as you might like this year, but we McM fans know that you can do the job this year when you are called upon, and that it is your job to take when Symbri graduates!  Sit back this year when you are not playing and learn the conference.  Load your notebook with tendencies, strengths and weaknesses on the players that you see.  Pick Symbri's brain and Coaches Nichols' and Densman's, too.   We need you to be the general on the court next year!

Finally, it was good to see all of my HSU friends.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: pirateonthebrazos on December 05, 2006, 10:38:18 am
Congrats to McMurry, you played a great defensive ballgame that kept us looking for answers in the 2cd half and none came. 
Ralph, you were dead on as to the 5 or so minutes when Tuttle and Richardson were on the bench.  HSU should have took full advantage of that but did not.
Both teams were horrible from the free thow line--HSU 12 of 24..,MCM 9 of 18. ....We will be outside on the driveway this weekend for sure. 

Thanks for the Kudos for the daughter...Surprised Briggs did not go deeper on her bench as HSU was tired down the stretch.

One thing we learned last year is that it is a long, long, season and lots can and will happen.  Enjoy the games.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 05, 2006, 01:28:11 pm
Well, I called it. Had Amanda Peters got her lay-up and had we made a couple of free throws in the first half, we would of had my point spread!. But don't beat yourself up Amanda, the adrenaline was overpowering.  It was way intense..crowd was the best I've seen. There wasn't alot of subbing by either coach but the season is early. This does not define the season by any means. And McM is well aware this game is just that, a game, though it is a sweet victory, it's back to work.  I'm exhausted. I know it is hard on the bench when they don't play, especially in such a contest as that, but their time is coming and there will be plenty of opportunities. Different nights, different strategies. Allie Nelson may have surprised them, but we knew she was coming on strong. I'm very proud of L.I.B. Relax and rest up, then onward. Maybe next week we'll break the top ten.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2006, 01:42:46 pm
...Surprised Briggs did not go deeper on her bench as HSU was tired down the stretch.

One thing we learned last year is that it is a long, long, season and lots can and will happen.  Enjoy the games.

Pirate, HSU SID was right.  That game had the feel of late-season intensity.  Maybe that is why Coach Briggs did not go deeper into her bench.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on December 05, 2006, 04:40:58 pm
...Surprised Briggs did not go deeper on her bench as HSU was tired down the stretch.
I would have like to see some of the bench players from HSU see a little more playing time, whether it be Laci Walker and her defense or ability to grab rebounds, or Steinberger's defense, or the offensive ability of Rachael Singletary.

But none the less i am not the coach and think the game was coach very well on both sides. Again, i look forward to the next meeting at McM and other future meetings
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 06, 2006, 01:02:21 pm
CUA's in the middle of a tough stretch. We lost by 4 to UTT after tying the game at 70 with less than a minute left (if I recall correctly). Then we lost to Menlo College (#12 in NAIA Division II) on a literal last-second buzzer-beater 67-68. Hopefully we can bounce back tomorrow night against Huston-Tillotson before taking on UTD on Saturday.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 06, 2006, 01:12:05 pm
CUAfan, thanks for the post.  We don't get very many CUA fans posting on here.  It sure would be great to get more insight from you guys.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 06, 2006, 01:19:35 pm
No prob. Posting on here had been on my to-do list for a while.

I don't think anyone's going to really enjoy playing us this season. While we're not the most athletic team by any stretch, we play hard for the whole 40 minutes and play tough defense (we "held" UTT's Stanley to 16 points, for what that's worth).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2006, 07:32:58 pm
fanstand, it was great to see you Monday night!

Your daughter is doing a wonderful job with the conditioning of the team.

FG % for the game

HSU: 1st half:  10-24 (41.7%); 2nd half:  9-28 (32.1%) 19-52  (36.5%)

McM: 1st half:  10-24 (41.7%); 2nd half: 14-27 (51.9%) 24-51 (47.1%)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 06, 2006, 07:33:59 pm
No prob. Posting on here had been on my to-do list for a while.

I don't think anyone's going to really enjoy playing us this season. While we're not the most athletic team by any stretch, we play hard for the whole 40 minutes and play tough defense (we "held" UTT's Stanley to 16 points, for what that's worth).

+1 Karma, CUAfan.  Please keep posting!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 07, 2006, 05:26:10 pm
Well, if you insist....  ;D

I think we'll be challenging for the West title in a couple years, I think. We only have something like 5 upperclassmen on this year's squad and only two of them get significant minutes. Not to mention that Kassandra Bills is one of the top scorers in the conference as a sophomore (a bit too Iverson-esque for my taste though) and we've got a solid and improving post in Jackie Eddins, all we're really short is someone who can rebound even a little bit like McMurry's Richardson.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 07, 2006, 05:56:58 pm
The biggest thing CUA needs to focus on is player retention.  They have had some very good players in the past and haven't been able to hold on to them.  Now, what the reason for their departure is one can only speculate, I have my ideas, but that is why they have such a young team.  Should all the young players actually stick around, maybe they will be near the top of the conference sometime down the road, but I would have to say that they are further off then a couple of years.  HSU, HPU and MCM didn't get there in a couple of years.  It is a building process and with those three schools maintaining their level of competition, it will be hard for any school to get in there and beat them out.

Now, let me say this, I would not be surprised if CUA is able to sneak up and beat one of the top schools at their place.  If they could get even 50 fans of their own in that shoebox of a gym it would be a very difficult place to play.  CUAfan, where is your student body at the games?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 07, 2006, 06:02:38 pm
I know what you mean, thundercat. The only reason for losing a player that I know of was when we lost Danielle Barnett to UTD. She left because our then-assistant coach McKinney left to take the head job at Schreiner. I guess she was only here 'cause of McKinney and didn't like Sharp much.

As far as our student body goes, at this point in the season I'd bet a lot of 'em are either (a) working nights or (b) working on end-of-semester projects and whatnot. We had a pretty good turnout for UTT as far as I could tell. I think we had about 50 fans total for our Monday nighter against Menlo College. I think the problem's more that the fans who do show up aren't terribly vocal, rather than they just don't show up.

I have noticed from volleyball, though, that we tend to be out-drawn by our visitors, especially nearby ones like TLU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2006, 09:23:42 pm
George Levecque (http://www.reporter-news.com/cr/cda/player/1,1272,ABIL_49417_176_211,00.html) interviews McMurry Coach Sam Nichols after the McM win over HSU.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on December 07, 2006, 09:53:14 pm
i didn't catch the 2nd half of the HSU/Ozarks girls game so i'm not sure how it turned out

I would have like to see some of the bench players from HSU see a little more playing time, whether it be Laci Walker and her defense or ability to grab rebounds

But i did catch the 1st half and hear that laci walker had 13 points in 12 minutes, maybe Coach Briggs reads these posts ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 07, 2006, 10:11:39 pm
Cowgirls won, by ten points or so. :D

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dsc on December 07, 2006, 10:13:04 pm
...and Laci Walker had her best (ever) game...scoring 23 or 24 points as I recall.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2006, 11:14:52 pm
HSU 83 UOz 67 (http://www.ozarks.edu/athletics/wbasketball/schedule/default.asp)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 08, 2006, 12:09:05 pm
CUA 74, Huston-Tillotson 81

I think it was the first zone D we'd faced all year (HTU played 1-3-1 most of the game). I'll give HTU's coach credit, she stuck a 5-8 or so girl up top against our 5-4ish point guards. Pretty much wrecked our offense for most of the night.

I'm concerned about how this week is gonna mess with our girls' heads. Three losses by a combined 10 points in the course of six days can't be good for their psychology, especially when the first two were final-minute heartbreakers.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on December 08, 2006, 05:51:53 pm
...and Laci Walker had her best (ever) game...scoring 23 or 24 points as I recall.

I'm very glad laci walker got so much playing time, shes proved her self several times, and hopefully Briggs will see how much of a hardworker she is. i know everyone of these girls personally and know that everyone of them work so very hard. i'm proud of them all

Go Cowgirls
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 08, 2006, 07:48:36 pm
HPU 38 Fisk Univeristy 9 Half

Fisk is shooting 15% from the floor and 11 % from three point land. HPU is shooting 50% form the floor and 20% from three point land. HPU defense is wearing Fisk out.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 08, 2006, 09:12:50 pm
HPU 79 Fisk 23 Final
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: HSUats on December 09, 2006, 12:45:11 pm
HPU 79 Fisk 23 Final
Good win for HPU, i think ???
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on December 10, 2006, 07:48:25 pm
It was a good win for HPU, and an expected win.  Fisk isn't at the level of any the ASC elites.  Still it is a great boost for HPU as they gear up to play the East Div Leader UT Tyler and probably their toughest opponent since beating Trinity.

Good Luck Girls!   :)
Bust some heads...figuratively speaking of course!  ;D
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 11, 2006, 12:28:18 pm
CUA 60, UTD 55

Lookout(:P), we might have a legit post presence on our hands in Jackie Eddins (20 points, 11 rebounds). I want to see how she does when she has to face Tarra Richardson on Jan. 13.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 12, 2006, 01:45:44 pm
New polls out today has McM at 9 and HPU at 12, while HSU is at 14. Not sure if I agree with McM and HSU switching spots. I'll admit McM got a good win and should move up in the polls but 5 spots? I know it will change again but I'm sure the trip to Tejas that Pat made helped publicize McM considering his rankings of the state he made. It will be interesting to see how HPU plays both teams in late January.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2006, 02:45:27 pm
Seth, Pat Coleman saw HPU and Meia Daniels as well.  Did you hear the podcast with Coach K?

The Tour de Tejas fell together very nicely (for HPU's sake) for Pat.  There were several components to it.

1)  Ranked Miss College men were at McMurry/HSU that weekend. (Thursday)
2)  Trinity and Southwestern were in town this weekend.  (Friday/Sunday)  Trinity Women were ranked in the pre-season.
3)  Since there was no Quarterfinals football game at UMHB, HSU, Trinity or another Texas venue on Saturday, he could take in another basketball game.  So the Ranked HPU women were next up, in Brownwood!
4)  The HSU-McMurry rivalry games, which he got to broadcast.  He has described the HSU-McM rivalry as the "most fervent" rivalry of the intra-city rivalries in all of D3.  That is a feather in the cap for Abilene.  When he sees that HPU women and HSU women played before 1500 fans, then he knows what that means.

He saw 8 schools, 16 teams and 10 games.  He had never seen 5 of the schools in person.  He picked up 3 new venues for basketball: Brownwood, Georgetown and San Antonio.

The idea behind the Tour de Tejas was to give him a very good idea of the quality of basketball that we play.  That gives more validity to the rankings, so that when HPU plays the other two teams, he will have a very good idea of the quality.

This seems to have been a real win/win/win for the ASC, the SCAC and Texas D3 basketball.

As for the rankings, he just flipped McM and HSU.  HPU is still in the hunt and climbing when another/higher-ranked team loses a game it should not lose.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 12, 2006, 02:54:47 pm
Ralph on your last point about moving higher when a higher seed loses.  Mary Washington and HSU both got beat and moved back behind HPU but HPU didn't move up.  McMurry and Messiah both moved up ahead of HPU.  So a losing team ahead of you doesn't always mean you'll move up, unfortunately.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 12, 2006, 03:20:03 pm
Ralph I do know Pat was at HPU, I had the privilege to talk to him. My point is that I think Pat has a big influence on voters, especially since he saw the teams in person. He saw HPU play a sloppy game and it was a blowout, hard to tell how good a team is when you see that. He saw McM play twice and once agaisnt the number 9 team in the nation. What if McM had only played once and blew that team out would they still jump 5 spots? His Texas rankings touted McM women as the top team, and he may be right. Now you will probably say the quality of opponents is better for McM, and your right. I just think McM jumping 5 spots is a little much considering HPU stayed where they were after convining wins.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sethhpu on December 12, 2006, 03:28:20 pm
I agree with you Ralph that it did help shed some light on Texas basketball. Hopefully the ASC gets some good recognition in the future from the visit.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2006, 05:20:45 pm
Ralph I do know Pat was at HPU, I had the privilege to talk to him. My point is that I think Pat has a big influence on voters, especially since he saw the teams in person. He saw HPU play a sloppy game and it was a blowout, hard to tell how good a team is when you see that. He saw McM play twice and once agaisnt the number 9 team in the nation. What if McM had only played once and blew that team out would they still jump 5 spots? His Texas rankings touted McM women as the top team, and he may be right. Now you will probably say the quality of opponents is better for McM, and your right. I just think McM jumping 5 spots is a little much considering HPU stayed where they were after convining wins.

Well, if/when HPU beats HSU or McMurry they will move up. It's not like HPU won't have the exact same chances to make noise as the other two ASC-West teams. Beating Fisk and Sul Ross is not the same in voters' eyes as beating a Top 25 team and I'm sure you understand that.

Indeed, not everyone automatically moves up when a team ahead of them loses. That's what standings are like, not rankings.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2006, 05:41:52 pm
dballa, I looked at the polls and have these thoughts.

1)  Messiah gets credit for beating a very well respected opponent, DeSales.  I think that DeSales won a post-season tourney in the ECAC in 2004 and 2005.

2)  The initial assessment by the voters is that a McMurry win at HSU just flips the 2 teams.

3)  Mary Washingtion dropped the usual number of slots with their loss.

4)  The voters don't know what they want to do with #8-#12.  Ordinarily, there should be 100 votes between #8 and #12.  The voters have Baldwin-Wallace at 402 and Howard Payne at 364.  That's only 38 votes.  That bunch is too close to call.
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Well, while I was trying to pay the bills, and my thoughts were stuck on this side of the posting for 2 hours, Pat gives his expert commentary. :) ;) 8)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2006, 07:34:51 pm
dballa, here is another way to look at the voting.

A perfect #1 in this poll is 25 voters giving 25 first place votes worth 25 points each or a vote total of 625 votes.

A perfect #8 gets 25 votes worth 18 points each or 450 points.  Well, Baldwin-Wallace is only in at 402 points, about 10th.

HPU is getting 364 votes in 12th when one would expect only 350 points for a "perfect 12th place" vote, and which is more than "halfway" to 11th.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 12, 2006, 10:08:48 pm
Of course, I was excited about the polls, finally getting some movement up for L.I.B.  It is still so early to be overly concerned about polls.  I think that McM and HSU have had the tougher schedule only, because they played each other and Miss.College, HPU hasn't played the upper teams yet with the exception of ETBU, but ETBU came on strong at the end of the year last year, be patient. The 3 C's are what come in to play right now.... Conditioning, Coaching and Chemistry. Whoever can pull all three of those factors together will be the team on top. I think HPU is for real, and got a little scoop from an official who called one of their games and said they were a well balanced team. HPU is good about slipping under everyone's radar, but its one game at a time right now for everyone.  Finals week is almost over, and games will be back on schedule this weekend.........
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 13, 2006, 11:34:39 am
Oh, my goodness, I think hell may be freezing over as we speak!  I am going to completely agree with fanstand.  HPU is a great team, no doubt about it, but they have just blown out teams and will need to face some stiffer competition before they move up.  I think the game at UTTyler this weekend should be a good starting point.  It is always a very tough place to play against a very talented team. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 13, 2006, 03:36:05 pm
I suspect that McM, HSU, and HPU are pretty evenly matched this year, so the teams will bounce around on the standings until the end of the season.  The likelihood is that all three will end up in the conference tournament, and if history repeats itself further, they may still have to play each other again in the post-season.  A team with a high ranking may get a better chance at a Pool C bid than one without it if it doesn't win the tournament, but that's the only reason I can see to consider the current rankings important.  The only thing that matters is which team wins the last game between them.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 12:38:59 am
UTD 50 Texas Wesleyan 48 (http://cometsports.utdallas.edu/WBB/WBBMAIN.htm)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 14, 2006, 06:19:58 pm
The crazy thing is that, between MCM, HPU, HSU and UMHB, the four ASC West tourney spots are more or less sewn up already (unless one of the other four gets hot). I mean, we're getting slowly but surely getting better, but those four are a combined 16-1 in conference so far (if I remember right).
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 06:28:07 pm
And CUA fan, I will bet that CUA could beat 10 of the 39 conference champs in the country right now as the 5th place team in the ASC-West! ;) ??? :-\
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 06:28:51 pm
The crazy thing is that, between MCM, HPU, HSU and UMHB, the four ASC West tourney spots are more or less sewn up already (unless one of the other four gets hot). I mean, we're getting slowly but surely getting better, but those four are a combined 16-1 in conference so far (if I remember right).

CUA fan, what do you hear about the new campus on the Schlumberger property?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 14, 2006, 06:32:25 pm
Well, considering that we lost by 1 on a buzzer-beater to the #12 team in NAIA Division II, I wouldn't be surprised. I do know the girls would play their hearts out though.

As far as the new campus goes...every member of the athletic department I've heard talk about the plans for the new gym are anything but happy. All they're planning on doing, so far as I can tell, is essentially rebuild what we have now on the new campus. I intend to try to arrange a between-semesters meeting to try to get them to ante up for better facilities all-around, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: calhsu on December 14, 2006, 07:24:36 pm
Beating someone in NAIA DII isn't much of a win.      The D3 teams of NCAA match up with the DI of NAIA. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2006, 08:41:56 pm
Well, considering that we lost by 1 on a buzzer-beater to the #12 team in NAIA Division II, I wouldn't be surprised. I do know the girls would play their hearts out though.

As far as the new campus goes...every member of the athletic department I've heard talk about the plans for the new gym are anything but happy. All they're planning on doing, so far as I can tell, is essentially rebuild what we have now on the new campus. I intend to try to arrange a between-semesters meeting to try to get them to ante up for better facilities all-around, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Your comment on the loss to Menlo prompted me to visit the Menlo web site.

So far, they have several wins against D3's (http://athletics.menlo.edu/scores.php?spcat=4) and play several games next year.

I will keep an eye on them, as much to gauge the strength of the Northwest Conference. ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 15, 2006, 09:45:05 am
Can someone who's seen both ETBU and MCM play tell me if Lori Lewis is the conference's next Tarra Richardson like I think she is from her stats? Girl got 25 points and 16 boards on us last night.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2006, 11:07:54 am
McM at ETBU next Monday night and it will be on radio/netcast!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 16, 2006, 02:25:40 pm
HPU 24, UTT 9

So far so good ladies!  Keep it up!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 16, 2006, 02:35:55 pm
HPU 39 UTT 13
 4:53 to go in the first half

UTT is playing without the 6' post transfer Grant who is at a funeral this afternoon.  Don't know how much of an effect it is having on them, but would imagine it would be some.

Still HPU sounds very impressive.  Many players contributing.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 16, 2006, 02:45:17 pm
HPU 46 UTT 20
Halftime
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 16, 2006, 03:43:43 pm
HPU 84 UTT 52 or so Final

Nice win for HPU.  Good luck on monday at UTD.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 16, 2006, 09:40:00 pm
McM 82, Ozarks 69 final.
The McM lead was 20 with five minutes to go and with McM playing the bench, but then Ozarks began chipping it down until McM put the starters back in for the last 2 minutes.

Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2006, 10:09:57 pm
McM 82 UOz 69 (http://www.ozarks.edu/athletics/wbasketball/stats/06_07/mcm.htm)

Thanks, McMfan!  Above is the link to the scorebook.

McMFan, lots of good minutes by the deep bench!  Ten players with double digit minutes.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 17, 2006, 09:50:13 am
Looks like HPU may move up maybe to #10 with another loss for #11UW-Stout in OT last night. Stout next game against McM in Georgetown after Christmas. They will be regrouping I'm sure for their trip to Texas. L.I.B. one more game before break at ETBU Monday. Hope we finish strong, we need to build confidence in our bench on the road for these long road stretches, I believe they will rise to these challenges. Our outside game has really been strong to compliment the inside game. Good luck, safe travel!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2006, 10:01:44 am
Looks like HPU may move up maybe to #10 with another loss for #11UW-Stout in OT last night. Stout next game against McM in Georgetown after Christmas. They will be regrouping I'm sure for their trip to Texas. L.I.B. one more game before break at ETBU Monday. Hope we finish strong, we need to build confidence in our bench on the road for these long road stretches, I believe they will rise to these challenges. Our outside game has really been strong to compliment the inside game. Good luck, safe travel!

Wow, UW-Stout had an overtime loss at Finlandia!  That must have been a real clunker!  Stout had 30 personal fouls. (http://www.uwstout.edu/athletics/wbb/wbbgame.htm#2006december16) Host Finlandia only 13.  Since Hancock MI 9Finlandia) is on the upper peninsula, perhaps that officiating crew called the game a little differently.

Pre-season All-American Center Kelsey Duoss fouled out for Stout!

Duoss vs. Richardson will be worth the price of admission!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 17, 2006, 11:12:29 am
Monday's game with ETBU will definitely be important.  ETBU beat UMHB yesterday, 63-49, so their only losses are to HSU and HPU.  They are clearly on a roll.  It will be a challenge for McM and a mark of how good the LIB really are after beating several relatively weaker teams.  Go ex-Indians!!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: CUAfan on December 17, 2006, 10:04:26 pm
I know it's late but...

CUA 90, LETU 68
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 18, 2006, 05:31:11 pm
HPU 67 UTD 38 Final.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 18, 2006, 07:21:22 pm
McM 35, ETBU 32 at halftime.  A very "back and forth affair," as the radio announcers say.  There have been 22 turnovers by both teams.  McM has gotten only 3 of 9 freethrows and is being outrebounded by ETBU, according to the announcers.  A lot of lead changes, and several McM players in foul trouble.  Clearly a tight game.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on December 18, 2006, 07:54:30 pm
2nd Half....

Sul Ross...40
UT-Tyler....71

not sure how much time to go
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on December 18, 2006, 07:55:49 pm
2nd Half....

Sul Ross...44
UT-Tyler....71

10:16 left to play
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 18, 2006, 08:07:20 pm
McM 73, ETBU 61 final

The radio announcers said that the McM players were not allowed to practice in the gym before the game, so that they were playing in it for the first time when the game started.  Is that normal?
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: sulrosslobos on December 18, 2006, 08:20:12 pm
Sul Ross...63
UT-Tyler....94

FINAL
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 18, 2006, 11:10:03 pm
McM 73, ETBU 61 final

The radio announcers said that the McM players were not allowed to practice in the gym before the game, so that they were playing in it for the first time when the game started.  Is that normal?

MCM men and women practiced in ornelas for three hours on friday.  ETBU men moved their game day shoot around so MCM could have the gym for two hours today.  I think the announcers might have been mistaken.

Had etbu shot better from the FT line the game would have been much tighter.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 18, 2006, 11:40:27 pm
Thanks for the clarification, Etbualum.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 19, 2006, 12:02:16 am
No prob,  My first time to see Richardson and tuttle, they are quality.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 19, 2006, 09:26:17 am
I don't know about the men's team, but the women for McM were in Oklahoma on Friday, they did not get to Marshall until Monday, because they were not allowed to practice in the gym on Sunday, they stayed in Arkansas on Sunday to practice Sunday morning before heading to east Texas. Someone else was in that gym on Friday, and the men left on a different bus on Sunday, I believe.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 19, 2006, 09:31:26 am
Bet that was UMHB, they played on Saturday in Marshall. Our teams did not travel together this time.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2006, 10:39:45 am
McM 73, ETBU 61 (http://www.etbu.edu/Current+Athletic+News/sports_item.htm?SportsID=1155)

Tarra Richardson had 28 points and 12 boards.  Maigen Sawyer had 15 points; Allison Nelson had 13.  Symbri Tuttle had 11 of the 19 McMurry assists to only 4 total assists for ETBU.

Also, McMurry got some good minutes from Sandra Lewis and some great defense from Jabri Butler.

Sounds like a great effort!
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: etbualum on December 19, 2006, 12:05:57 pm
I said friday but I meant sunday and monday.  Sorry typed it in a hurry.  Somebody from MCM practiced here Sunday.  The men and women both had time, I was not there so I dont know if they took it.  The etbu men did move the shoot around on game day so both teams could shoot for an hour each.

Sorry for the mistake about friday and the confusion it caused.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 19, 2006, 01:57:43 pm
I just think McM jumping 5 spots is a little much considering HPU stayed where they were after convining wins.
I think sethhpu from a week ago has a good point about HPU being underrated.  There are now a number of schools that have played HPU, McM, and HSU, and (at the risk of more fuzzy math on my part :)) you can compare the scores.  I looked at their games with ETBU, Ozarks, and LeTourneau.  McM and HSU won with point spreads ranging from 5 to 24.  But check out HPU's numbers:
ETBU +37
Ozarks +42
LeT +51
This is double or almost triple the point spreads of McM and HSU against the same schools.  Unless HPU is playing their starters the whole time to deliberately run up the numbers (and McM is giving their bench a lot of time on the court), then this team looks to be a much meaner machine than the rankings indicate, and not to be taken lightly by McM or HSU down the stretch.
 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: dballa on December 19, 2006, 02:45:50 pm
HPU definitely isn't keeping the starters in the whole time.  There are a lot of bench players getting well over 10 mins and some even 15 to 20 mins during each game.  There have been some games that Meia Daniels and some other starters haven't played beyond the 10 min mark of the 2nd half and definitely didn't play the whole 1st half.

I may be wrong on this but I think the Sul Ross game is the only game that HPU didn't increase their lead in the 2nd half with the subs in.  That says a lot about the depth and balance of the team.  They can sub in 5 off the bench who can produce exactly what, if not more in some cases, the 1st team does.

The end of January can't get here quick enough.  I'm ready to see them play some better competition to get a gauge on how good this team really is.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 19, 2006, 04:51:12 pm
HPU seems to have to deal with this lack of recognition every year.  They have always had deep teams, great talent and coaching and yet can't seem to win people over.  They have always played 10+ players a game due thier style of play.  I know, they play a zone, but the intensity that comes with that zone makes it more demanding than any man defense.  Add in their ability to score in transition with post players like Blalock, Hoffman and Pippins who can get down the floor great and it becomes very hard to go longer than 5-8 minutes at a time.  There is no going half speed in HPU's system, that is what has made them so successful and the depth of their bench so important.   

 Yes, they haven't had the accomplishments that HSU has had to date, but have gone further each year than they did the previous year.  That has to account for something. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 19, 2006, 06:30:41 pm
HPU seems to have to deal with this lack of recognition every year. ...

 Yes, they haven't had the accomplishments that HSU has had to date, but have gone further each year than they did the previous year.  That has to account for something. 

This seems to be the common "we don't get no respect" refrain from some HPU fans.

You are currently ranked #11!

That is based on an improvement from #22 at the end of the 2006 season,

--and that reflects a pre-season ranking of #18 this year, sight unseen by probably at least 23 of the 25 voters in the poll,

--and it credits the recent HPU playoff history of:

------losing in the first round at home against Trinity in 2005 and
------beating Trinity, only to lose in the second round (the Finals of the Texas sub-bracket) in 2006.

HPU's playoff record is only 1-2 in 2 attempts.  Everyone above HPU in the poll, with the exception of McMurry and Brandeis, has been to a Final Four in this decade!!!  Brandeis gets respect, because 5 of the last 10 D3 Women's Champions have come from Brandeis' conference, the UAA.  The voters in Pat's poll have seen the UAA, and I trust their assessment.

Restated, with the exception of McMurry and Brandeis, no other team in the country without a recent Final Four appearance is ranked higher than HPU.

McMurry's record since the start of 2005 is 34-3.  They are 1-1 versus HPU and 2-2 with a road win over HSU in 2005-07.  HPU is 32-5, with losses to McM, MissColl, UMHB and HSU twice.  McMurry gets credit for a road win over 2006 Final Four HSU earlier this month.

The "we don't get no respect" lament is historically unsubstantiated!  You are getting respect based on the success of HSU and McMurry, to a lesser extent.  Pat Coleman made a special trip to see the Lady Jackets, and he is awaiting the HSU-McM games in late January.

Have a Merry Christmas! ;)
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: mcmfan on December 19, 2006, 06:57:39 pm
This seems to be the common "we don't get no respect" refrain from some HPU fans.

Since I seem to have started this thread, my point is simply that you underestimate HPU this year at your own peril.  One more set of numbers, for the record, since both HPU and HSU beat Trinity this year:
HPU-Trinity 76-45 +31
HSU-Trinity 84-67 +17
...and I'm obviously not an HPU fan.
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: fanstand on December 19, 2006, 09:20:09 pm
My two cents.......I think HPU sometimes is "overshadowed" by the McM/HSU rivalry. I guarantee we do not overlook or disrespect them, because we know they are a formidible foe,  they aren't slipping under our radar.  HSU knows it too. When McM plays HSU, who does HPU root for? When HSU plays HPU, who does McM root for? When McM plays HPU who is HSU wanting to come out on top? Can you really root for one of them?   This three way rivalry is pretty intense and the atmosphere is electric.  HPU is getting plenty of respect and the answers will come in January, but there is lots of ball to play between now and then, anything can happen. 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: thundercat on December 21, 2006, 10:06:00 am
I just wanted to take this opportunity to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!  May all your Christmas wishes come true, as well as those resolutions! 
Title: Re: American Southwest Conference
Post by: Rob Don on December 21, 2006, 01:17:11 pm
This seems to be the common "we don't get no respect&